[12:00] <djzorro> Ogra, no way. Anyway I can reboot to double check things.. but without changing anything, with a cute Slackware 10 install, I could swithoff the laptop with 'powerdown'.
[12:00] <ubuntu_> my computer locked up (and I had to re-boot) but somehow I am still logged in from before the re-boot wth ??
[12:00] <michel_v> Matt|: Sun and IBM have their proprietary offerings too, and with OSS, software is not the only thing you sell. you also sell support and custom services
[12:00] <Matt|> ubuntu_, you can kill your previous nick
[12:01] <ubuntu_> Matt|, how ?
[12:01] <Matt|> do "/msg nickserv ghost previous_nick password
[12:01] <Matt|> "
[12:01] <ubuntu_> ahh
[12:01] <ogra> djzorro: i can select acpi on/off
[12:01] <vasi> now that warty's released, will we only see security fixes until hoary?
[12:01] <ogra> vasi: no ;)
[12:01] <Matt|> michel_v, yeah i guess so
[12:01] <Mithrandir> vasi: if you continue to run warty, you'll see security fixes for 18 months. :)
[12:01] <ogra> vasi: sorry misread
[12:02] <ogra> lol
[12:03] <vasi> er sorry...i meant will warty be updated with anything besides security fixes? or will all new things be pushed to hoary?
[12:03] <LinuxJones> that was bizarre
[12:03] <stvn> ubuntu didn't exist at all in october 2002, right?
[12:03] <Matt|> stvn, this is the first release i thought
[12:03] <djzorro> Ogra, I reboot and check. Back later. UBUNTU ROCKS! FINNALLY A LINUX DISTRIBUTION THAT ROCKS!
[12:03] <ogra> vasi: only security fixes
[12:03] <ogra> djzorro: yeah !!
[12:04] <stvn> Matt|: yeah, but it existed before the release obviously ;)
[12:04] <vasi> thanks ogra
[12:04] <Matt|> stvn, guess so
[12:05] <Matt|> stvn, in fact i assumed that the release number was indicative of that, until i read the FAQ
[12:05] <ogra> vasi: but hoary is scheduled for april....
[12:07] <tolstoy> to get an smp kernel, i, "apt-get install linux-686-smp" ?
[12:08] <ogra> tolstoy: yep
[12:09] <tolstoy> and those nvidia abominations will still be okay?
[12:09] <tolstoy> (nothing like compiling darcs (haskell)) to bog down the system.
[12:11] <ogra> tolstoy: nvidia should work with smp
[12:12] <tolstoy> yes, looked like it download appropriate things.
[12:12] <djzorro> Ogra: there are no ACPI/APM options in the bios. What a shame :(
[12:12] <majuno> hola
[12:13] <Matt|> ciao
[12:13] <Matt|> does anyone here use flashplugin?
[12:14] <Matt|> if so, is it working nicely? on my computer it is really fast but also really jerky
[12:14] <ogra> djzorro: probably you find something here: http://tuxmobil.org/sony.html
[12:17] <amathis> ok, I am taking the dive and installing...
[12:17] <amathis> been doing a lot of research
[12:17] <amathis> ubuntu looks really cool.
[12:17] <Matt|> is firefox 1.0PR not in ubuntu????
[12:17] <Matt|> i seem to have 0.9.3?!?!?!?
[12:18] <U-235> haha, you are supposed to update it
[12:18] <michel_v> Matt|: you aren't missing on much
[12:18] <amathis> warty-release-install-i386.iso   is the most current right? and this is the only thing I need to download right?
[12:18] <michel_v> 1.0PR and RC1 are so unstable it's saddening
[12:19] <vrln> amathis: yup
[12:19] <WW> Matt|: Ubuntu dallied with 1.0PR during pre-release, but it was buggy.
[12:19] <stvn> nught
[12:19] <amathis> vrln, thank you.
[12:19] <Matt|> U-235, how?
[12:19] <ogra> michel_v: ever tried the search function in 1.0 ? if its stable it will be great
[12:19] <stvn> night even
[12:19] <U-235> Matt: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[12:19] <Matt|> ogra, yeah that is a nice touch
[12:20] <Matt|> U-235, i have upgraded my whole system, but firefox is still 0.9.3
[12:20] <ogra> Matt|: no 1.0 in warty
[12:20] <Matt|> yeah exactly
 haha, you are supposed to update it
[12:21] <U-235> well then i can't help you, i dont even have ubuntu yet
[12:21] <WW> !
[12:21] <Matt|> ah
[12:23] <tolstoy> Is it, uh, bad when on bootup, modprobe hw_random doesn't work?
[12:24] <ogra> tolstoy: nope, ignore it
[12:24] <ogra> pcihp as well
[12:24] <tolstoy> ogra, is that just a "hoary" wrinkle?
[12:25] <altan>  how can I rename files to be sequential, like from whatever.mp3 and kickasssong.mp3 to 1.mp3 / 2.mp3 and so on?
[12:26] <ogra> tolstoy: its a message from hotplug, if can't find certain haedware (because its not existent) it throws this error out
[12:26] <ogra> if it
[12:26] <iretch> is there wpa support in ubuntu?
[12:27] <LinuxJones> ogra, your still the world typing champion compared to me :)
[12:27] <spiv> altan: x=0; for f in *.mp3 ; do mv $f ${x}.mp3 ; x=$(($x+1)) ; done  # something like that.
[12:27] <ogra> LinuxJones: but my abilitys fade ....
[12:27] <ogra> ;)
[12:28] <LinuxJones> ogra, I totaly suck @ keyboarding
[12:28] <LinuxJones> ogra, which is ironic since I do most stuff in console :)
[12:29] <tolstoy_> someone else's kingdom for a gkrellm-themes package! ;)
[12:29] <timothy_> Hey, I wish I'd noticed this before: very cool that the live CD includes some stuff from TheOpenCD
[12:30] <ogra> LinuxJones: btw, i'll get a personal trainer for the next month ;)
[12:30] <spiv> altan: Although it probably wants extra quoting for filenames with spaces...
[12:30] <timothy_> Means I can give people a single disk instead of the pair of TheOpenCD+$Linux Live CD
[12:30] <Beast> iretch, what card do you have?
[12:30] <ogra> timothy: whose ?
[12:30] <ogra> timothy: kingdom?
[12:31] <tolstoy_> King George's?
[12:31] <altan> spiv: damn, I should have looked more carefully before I did that, I lost a bunch of files now :/
[12:31] <altan> any way to get them back?
[12:31] <kensai> I have sound on Unreal tournament but not in americas army here is what the terminal says when I launch americas army:
[12:31] <kensai> open /dev/[sound/] dsp: Resource temporarily unavailable
[12:31] <kensai> Xlib:  extension "XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD" missing on display ":0.0".
[12:31] <iretch> beast: apple airport card, its based on orinoco
[12:31] <timothy_> ogra: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/releases/4.10/preview/live-i386.iso <-- that one, I think ...
[12:31] <iretch> it supports wpa under osx
[12:32] <timothy_> ogra: see theopencd.org ...
[12:32] <Beast> iretch, better have a look at the linux drive to check
[12:32] <spiv> altan: eek.  I was assuming you'd backup the files first :/
[12:32] <timothy_> They link to http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/releases/4.10/preview/
[12:32] <altan> they're backed up on another disk, but i'd have to reboot since that disk is not connected
[12:32] <spiv> Ah.
[12:32] <iretch> hmm
[12:33] <spiv> It should've refused to mv if there were spaces, because it would've gotten too many arguments.
[12:33] <iretch> well if the driver supports it
[12:33] <iretch> im still only seeing options for wep keys
[12:33] <iretch> in the network config
[12:34] <spiv> altan: are you sure it lost files, or did it just fail to rename some?
[12:34] <topyli> well, two experiences of hoary upgrades. at work, where i have a small monitor and low resolution, the gnome fonts went weird. at home with a bigger resolution all is ok. otherwise all is fine :)
[12:35] <altan> spiv: it gave me > on a new line whenever I hit enter, which was probably a prompt for each file, but then I, uh, got bored and hit ctrl+c
[12:35] <kensai> I belive my problem with sound in americas army is in this line:
[12:36] <kensai> open /dev/[sound/] dsp: Resource temporarily unavailable
[12:36] <altan> oh well, not a big problem
[12:36] <kensai> but I can't seem to understand it
[12:36] <spiv> It shouldn't prompt for each file... does mv usually prompt for you?
[12:36] <altan> no
[12:36] <spiv> (i.e. have you set mv -i to be the default)?
[12:36] <spiv> You're using bash?
[12:36] <altan> I haven't changed anything
[12:36] <altan> yeah bash
[12:37] <spiv> altan: Odd, then it works for me... maybe you made a transcription error?
[12:38] <spiv> Btw, here's the version that copes with spaces: x=0; for f in *.mp3 ; do mv "$f" ${x}.mp3 ; x=$(($x+1)) ; done
[12:39] <afv-13> is it true that there is no root user?
[12:40] <ogra> afv-13: root is disabled in ubuntu
[12:40] <altan> there's no root user, but there is root access
[12:40] <afv-13> interesting
[12:40] <topyli> afv-13: there's always root but it might not be able to log in :)
[12:40] <ogra> afv-13: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:41] <afv-13> thanks
[12:41] <ogra> just to proove my bot status ;)
[12:41] <spiv> afv-13: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[12:41] <topyli> heh
[12:41] <spiv> ogra: heh :)
[12:41] <ogra> *g*
[12:42] <KeyserLaptop> KeyserSoze: you in here?
[12:42] <topyli> spiv: i think this is a faq, yes :)
[12:42] <KeyserLaptop> i have the nick registered, I will just kill your connection again :(
[12:42] <afv-13> using sudo for root access can't be safe
[12:42] <topyli> afv-13: how so?
[12:42] <Matt|> aha controversy
[12:43] <ogra> afv-13: read the "benefits" on the wiki
[12:43] <afv-13> k
[12:44] <afv-13> i just don't like the fact that you can do something as root without requiring a password
[12:44] <LinuxJones> afv-13, it does require a password
[12:44] <afv-13> unless ubuntu has a hectic sudoers config
[12:44] <topyli> afv-13: yours
[12:44] <afv-13> oic
[12:44] <spiv> afv-13: sudo prompts for your password.
[12:44] <ogra> afv-13: its a great model ;)
[12:45] <minimike> hello
[12:45] <iretch_> argh my connection dropped while messing with it did you say anything beast
[12:45] <topyli> afv-13: i have enabled root though for other purposes like webmin
[12:45] <LinuxJones> afv-13, it is assumed that whoever installs Ubuntu is the administrator any users added afterwards are not granted the same permissions as the person who installed it :)
[12:46] <topyli> afv-13: but basically you never need to be root on any distro
[12:46] <afv-13> so the user who installed is _always_ asked for the root password when running sudo?
[12:46] <Matt|> it is a good idea i think
[12:46] <amathis> is partitioning in ubuntu easy?
[12:46] <amathis> I don't want to fsck something up.
[12:46] <topyli> afv-13: your own password
[12:46] <afv-13> the user password?
[12:46] <afv-13> :o
[12:46] <spiv> afv-13: It caches your password for a bit.
[12:47] <topyli> afv-13: yes
 afv-13: but basically you never need to be root on any distro
[12:47] <topyli> afv-13: when you create another user, they don't have the same powers though
[12:47] <afv-13> explain
[12:48] <Matt|> only the first user can do sudo
[12:48] <Matt|> the other users are just regular
[12:48] <afv-13> to install programs you need to be root
[12:48] <WW> afv-13: There is a "sudoers" list.  Only those users in the list are able to use sudo.
[12:48] <topyli> afv-13: at least i never am root on debian or mandrake (which is what i use). sudo does the trick
[12:48] <afv-13> i understand
[12:48] <amathis> can I PM someone so that I can get a firm understanding of something?
[12:48] <LinuxJones> amathis, just ask :)
[12:49] <WW> spiv: What did you mean when you said "It caches your password for a bit."?
[12:49] <LinuxJones> amathis, here not pm
[12:49] <amathis> LinuxJones, no, because it would be compilicated to try and figure it out in a big channel.
[12:49] <amathis> nevermind.
[12:49] <Matt|> WW, you don't need to enter it twice if you do two sudo commands close together
[12:49] <Matt|> amathis, please try!
[12:49] <LinuxJones> amathis, but there are so many more people to offer advise and someone else might be having the same issue :P
[12:49] <WW> Matt|: OK, now THAT sounds dangerous.  How long is "a bit"?
[12:49] <topyli> amathis: it may just be somthing you think is complicated and we'll figure it out in a minute :)
[12:50] <amathis> topyli, that is not what I meant at all.
[12:50] <afv-13> a user can change their own password, right?
[12:50] <Matt|> WW, dunno, i assumed it was until you close the terminal ;)
[12:50] <Matt|> afv-13, yes
[12:50] <LinuxJones> amathis, there are no stupid questions if your new to Linux either :)
[12:50] <tolstoy_> Hm. In a dual monitor setting, Xchat doesn't show up in the panel unless it's on the same side of the screen as the panel itself.
[12:50] <amathis> I did not say my problem was complicated :) I meant that it is hard to follow a conv in a big channel
[12:50] <amathis> here it goes:
[12:50] <ogra> WW: enables things like: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:50] <WW> Matt|: That means I have my usual $ prompt, but I have root privileges???
[12:50] <tolstoy_> Must be a feature.
[12:50] <Matt|> amathis, just type the nick of the person you are talking to and they can follow the conversation
[12:50] <Matt|> WW, guess so yes
[12:51] <WW> ogra: Oh, I see.  I still have to use "sudo", but it doesn't ask for the password. That's not so bad.
[12:51] <topyli> amathis: if you need to flood big outputs of error messages, just put them in #flood
[12:51] <amathis> I have a /home partition, and I want to save it.... I have partitioned many times before.. but never tried to save a partition.. from what the docs say, it seems like it will write over any data...
[12:51] <amathis> I want to only format / and /user
[12:51] <amathis> */usr
[12:51] <amathis> how cna I be sure it won't overwrite /home.
[12:52] <amathis> topyli, I know, I am not new to irc :)
[12:52] <topyli> amathis: sorry :)
[12:52] <Matt|> lol
[12:52] <spiv> WW: Right.  And you can use sudo -k to uncache it immediately.
[12:52] <afv-13> if a user can change their own password, then anything not knowing the user password, can change it, and run whatever it wants as root
[12:52] <ogra> amathis: juszt install in the free space and mount your home afterwards
[12:52] <LinuxJones> amathis, are you doing a fresh install of Ubuntu ?
[12:52] <afv-13> that seems like a huge hole to me
[12:52] <WW> spiv: Neat, thanks.
[12:53] <spiv> afv-13: If the administrator's account is compromised, then you're screwed sudo or not.
[12:53] <amathis> LinuxJones, yes
[12:53] <amathis> this computer is in Slackware right now.
[12:53] <amathis> and all my valuables are in /home
[12:53] <spiv> ("administrator" meaning person that runs sudo or su)
[12:53] <topyli> afv-13: you can crack root just the same as a user. only you always you know there's a user named "root" but don't know about the others :)
[12:53] <afv-13> spacey`ki: administrator being a user
[12:53] <afv-13> * spiv
[12:54] <spiv> Right.
[12:54] <amathis> ogra, so I can delete all other partitions and just tell it to use free space??
[12:54] <wfx> hi, the gnome network config tool say i cant not connect to samba because i dont have install the needed smb software, but i have the smbclient and the samba-common installed
[12:54] <amathis> and it will create my file system without over writing /home?
[12:54] <afv-13> topyli: to change root password you need to be root
[12:54] <spiv> And the user created during ubuntu's install is such a user (i.e. they are in the sudoers group).
[12:54] <topyli> afv-13: or use sudo
[12:54] <Matt|> afv-13, the administrator is the FIRST user created during installation
[12:55] <ogra> amathis: thats what i did....then i mounted my old home in /home..... deleted all the old gnome configs and was done
[12:55] <afv-13> i don't have sudo installed
[12:55] <spiv> But other users aren't, by default.
[12:55] <Matt|> afv-13, do you have ubuntu installed?
[12:55] <amathis> ogra, when did you mount /home?
[12:55] <afv-13> no
[12:55] <ogra> afv-13: root has no pw in ubuntu
[12:55] <Matt|> ok np
[12:55] <afv-13> just doing some research
[12:55] <spiv> afv-13: Explain an attack on a system using sudo that doesn't apply anyway :)
[12:55] <topyli> afv-13: you're theorizing then
[12:55] <amathis> ogra, root has no password in ubuntu?
[12:55] <Matt|> lol
[12:55] <ogra> amathis: after the system was showing me the gdm loginscreen
[12:55] <afv-13> well theorizing or not
[12:55] <afv-13> its more than possible
 afv-13: root has no pw in ubuntu
[12:56] <spiv> amathis: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[12:56] <ogra> amathis: root is disabled....
[12:56] <amathis> ohh
[12:56] <amathis> ok
[12:56] <ogra> amathis: thus no pw
[12:56] <WW> Hey, theorizing is good... it's important, even.
[12:56] <amathis> just making sure I am not installing a distro with no root pass >D
[12:56] <ogra> WW: lol
[12:56] <amathis> well..
[12:56] <amathis> here it goes.
[12:56] <topyli> amathis: you're not installing lindows anyway :)
[12:57] <amathis> topyli, yeah.
[12:57] <LinuxJones> amathis, if your not sure jsut ask and we can walk you through it :)
[12:57] <amathis> LinuxJones, I have installed harder distro's before.. it is just that I have never tryed to save a partition.
[12:57] <amathis> that is my only question.
[12:57] <LinuxJones> amathis, that's ok this will be your 1st one :P
[12:57] <ogra> amathis: just keep in mind which partition was home ;)
[12:58] <amathis> ogra, haha
[12:58] <topyli> amathis: in the installer, get to the boot options and choose "expert" or "custom" or whatever it is. it will let you take care of the partitioning
[12:58] <amathis> okie
[12:58] <afv-13> could someone please try to convince me some more
[12:59] <topyli> afv-13: you really are a pain =)
[12:59] <afv-13> sorry
[12:59] <topyli> afv-13: just kidding
[12:59] <ogra> afv-13: dont take him serious
[12:59] <afv-13> its either that or i fail the distro
[12:59] <afv-13> :(
[12:59] <amathis> augh
[01:00] <amathis> wish me luck.
[01:00] <Matt|> afv-13, we will convince you
[01:00] <Matt|> here is how it works
[01:00] <spiv> afv-13: Please explain why sudo is less secure than an alternative.
[01:00] <spiv> afv-13: Then we can tell you why you're wrong, and hopefully you'll be convinced :)
[01:00] <Matt|> the first user installed is the ADMIN. Only that person can use sudo by default.
[01:00] <afv-13> ok, let me give an example of a naughty program
[01:01] <afv-13> (run by the person who installed ubuntu)
[01:01] <afv-13> changes useer password, sudo rm -rf /, echo "owned"
[01:01] <Matt|> you need to know the password to change it
[01:02] <ogra> avf: at this point the user is actually asked for his pw *g*
[01:02] <spiv> afv-13: Ok, if the user that's going to be the admin is running exploited software in their account, they've already lost.
[01:02] <topyli> that's the person who installed, they have root anyway. where's the difference?
[01:02] <Matt|> if you know the password, then you can just do "sudo rm -rf / directoyl
[01:02] <LinuxJones> afv-13, thow does the program know what user installed Ubutu or their password ?
[01:02] <spiv> afv-13: Because it can then install keyloggers and the like in the users account to capture the password, including when they run good ol' "su".
[01:02] <afv-13> spiv: in my setup, exploited software can ONLY take out my home dir
[01:03] <afv-13> cause to become root, i need the root password, not the user password
[01:03] <ogra> afv-13: the user is asked for his pw by sudo
[01:03] <topyli> afv-13: you're dismissing this: you installed the system, you have root anyway
[01:03] <spiv> afv-13: Not true.  They can grab passwords with key loggers... and getting ssh keys and gpg private keys could easily lead to more accounts on other boxes.
[01:04] <afv-13> topyli: you are only supposed to be root when you absolutely have to
[01:04] <ogra> afv-13: sudo works interactively....
[01:04] <topyli> afv-13: like i said before, i'm never root. but i do _have_ it
[01:04] <spiv> afv-13: Exploiting the account of an admin user is not significantly different to just getting root immediately, in terms of exposure.  As soon as that admin types "su -" into an xterm, the keylogger will have the root password.
[01:05] <WW> Some light reading, for those interested: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2002/08/29/Big_Scary_Daemons.html
[01:05] <spiv> afv-13: That's *why* sudo is a useful model.
[01:05] <topyli> spiv: exactly
[01:05] <spiv> afv-13: sudo makes it very easy to only run things as root when you need it, rather than being lazy and leaving root prompts around.
[01:05] <afv-13> spiv: ok, lets forget about ketloggers for now
[01:06] <afv-13> *key
[01:06] <ogra> afv-13: how would you install them ?
[01:06] <topyli> afv-13: you also have to worry differently about local and remote users
[01:06] <afv-13> what is stopping any malicious app from gaining root access?
[01:06] <spiv> afv-13: That's the exact same scenario.
[01:06] <topyli> afv-13: who has access to console
[01:06] <ogra> sudo askin for your pw even in scripts
[01:07] <afv-13> topyli: noone
[01:07] <afv-13> unless you login
[01:07] <spiv> If you are running hostile software in an account, you have to assume that entire account, and everything it can access, is compromised.
[01:07] <afv-13> a script cant login
[01:07] <jdub> oh man
[01:07] <jdub> this is an extended discussion...
[01:07] <spiv> Well, roughly :)
[01:07] <spiv> jdub: Heh, yeah, it dragged out for longer than expected :)
[01:07] <afv-13> sorry :(
[01:08] <topyli> afv-13: access to console and remote access are different things altogether. if i could get to your house i could just shut down your server and there is your security :)
[01:08] <callisto> good night
[01:08] <Matt|> nite
[01:08] <WW> afv-13: Don't worry, it will happen again :)
[01:08] <ogra> night
[01:08] <hectorvs> hey guys, whats up...
[01:08] <hectorvs> ubuntu is GREAT! :D i just have a prob with ethernet (wireless worked autmatically, heh)
[01:08] <afv-13> topyli: i think see what you mean
[01:09] <jdub> hectorvs: heh, bizarre ;)
[01:09] <ogra> afv-13: install ubuntu, try to break in and give us your results ;)
[01:09] <hectorvs> jdub, i know hehe
[01:09] <topyli> afv-13: now expand that to disabled root vs. root logins
[01:09] <hectorvs> the thing is that I can detect it and create a connection, but when i click on enable, the checkmark appears but dissappears after 2 seconds...
[01:09] <hectorvs> what could the problem be?
[01:10] <ogra> jdub: yesterday someone told us about linux virii *g*
[01:10] <ogra> jdub: this here was nottin
[01:10] <afv-13> topyli: app changes your password, sends password to cracker, cracker logs into your pc (as user)...
[01:10] <theantix> ogra: yeah, but you have to compile it first :-)
[01:10] <WW> But now I'm wondering about the sudo password caching again.  Does anyone know how long it lasts?
[01:11] <spiv> ogra: I'm glad I missed that one ;)
[01:11] <hectorvs> hmm, anybody know how to make Mplayer my default video player??
[01:11] <hectorvs> i already installed it and its working flawlessly
[01:11] <jdub> WW: it's configurable
[01:11] <afv-13> senario 1 (gentoo) no way to get root, van only screw up home
[01:11] <afv-13> senario 2 (ubuntu) sudo, and you are dead
[01:11] <WW> jdub: Do you know what the default is?
[01:12] <ogra> afv-13: install ubuntu, try to break in and give us your results ;)
[01:12] <Matt|> ogra, what was asked about linux virii?
[01:12] <LinuxJones> heh
[01:12] <afv-13> lol
[01:12] <afv-13> hit and run there ogra
[01:12] <afv-13> :p
[01:12] <topyli> afv-13: i'd like to see such app. everybody is trying to crack root. who knows what usernames there are on a random box?
[01:12] <jdub> WW: Once a user has been authenticated, a
[01:12] <jdub>        timestamp is updated and the user may then use sudo without a password
[01:12] <jdub>        for a short period of time (15 minutes unless overridden in sudoers).
[01:13] <afv-13> topyli: the point is that no cracking is needed in ubuntu
[01:13] <afv-13> you can just sudo
[01:13] <ogra> afv-13: install ubuntu, try to break in and give us your results ;)
[01:13] <afv-13> ogra: i heard you the 1st time
[01:13] <jdub> afv-13: you have to have the user's password.
[01:13] <topyli> afv-13: you need to crack my account first. do you know my username even?
[01:13] <afv-13> topyli: you just ran the app as yourself
[01:14] <WW> jdub: Thanks.
[01:14] <WW> ogra: That
[01:14] <jdub> afv-13: disabling root and requiring sudo to run processes as root is another barrier to entry. it does not make life easier for crackers.
[01:14] <WW> oops
[01:14] <topyli> afv-13: if an application does it, i don't have much power over the system without supplying a password to sudo
[01:14] <jdub> WW: (man sudo ;)
[01:14] <atomsk> did anyone manage to get an ATI Radeon9800 to use hardware acceleration?
[01:14] <afv-13> topyli: what password?
[01:14] <topyli> mine
[01:14] <afv-13> exactly
[01:14] <afv-13> the app just changed that
[01:14] <WW> jdub: Right, I should have... :)
[01:15] <ogra> atomsk: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:15] <WW> afv-13: Can an app change my password?
[01:15] <topyli> afv-13: how did the app get to change my password?
[01:15] <tricky1> any software to Burn MP3's directly to CD as an Audio CD, I've tried mp3 burn, but cdrecord is spitting out errors left and right
[01:15] <wfx> under gentoo i can run emerge vmware and i have vmware(serial must buy) is there also a ubuntu package?
[01:16] <ogra> afv-13: would you send me _this_ app please ?
[01:16] <topyli> afv-13: if i change my password myself, passwd asks me for my old password
[01:16] <afv-13> ogra: its a theoretical app
[01:16] <topyli> afv-13: oh, i forgot :)
[01:16] <afv-13> but im getting convinced :p
[01:16] <ogra> afv-13: too much interaction in all your theoretical apps to do anything like that
[01:17] <stuNNed> you do, we do, we all do ubuntu!
[01:17] <ogra> yay
[01:17] <hectorvs> hmm, anybody know how to give i8k support to ubuntu?
[01:17] <atomsk> ogra: geez...that page changed quite a lot :) Thanks
[01:17] <hectorvs> i have to recompile the kernel right?
[01:17] <ogra> atomsk: ;)
[01:18] <jdub> hectorvs: i8k?
[01:18] <afv-13> topyli: so basically, 1 account need to be cracked to kill ubuntu
[01:18] <afv-13> *needs
[01:18] <hectorvs> jdub: yeah, the controls for the buttons  (multimedia, volume) on the dell laptops
[01:18] <stuNNed> can someone plz tell me what .debs i need to get linux samba client workie workie?
[01:18] <ogra> hectorvs: sudo modprobe i8k
[01:18] <WW> If I were to accidentally run a malicious app during the 15 minutes that my sudo password is cached, could it then wreak havoc?
[01:18] <spiv> hectorvs: $ modprobe -l | grep i8k
[01:18] <spiv> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/drivers/char/i8k.ko
[01:18] <jdub> afv-13: dude.
[01:19] <afv-13> whereas 2 accounts need to be cracked for other sistros
[01:19] <jdub> afv-13: when you can login as root, you only need... one account... to crack the machine.
[01:19] <hectorvs> orga: it gives me a "No such device" error
[01:19] <afv-13> jdub: i am only playing devils advocate, not looking for a fight
[01:19] <afv-13> trying to understand
[01:20] <kapputu> hi all
[01:20] <stuNNed> um isn't sudo less secure cuz only need one password to gain root access instead of two?
[01:20] <kapputu> hi stuNNed
[01:20] <ogra> hectorvs: are you sure  i8k works for your hw otherwise ?
[01:20] <kapputu> hi ogra, howz u
[01:20] <stuNNed> hi kapputu!
[01:20] <ogra> hi kapp:
[01:20] <topyli> afv-13: this conversation shoud go to the faq verbatim :)
[01:20] <LinuxJones> WW, only if you ran the app from the console and it was still in '#' mode
[01:20] <kapputu> hi LinuxJones
[01:20] <jdub> afv-13: perhaps this will make you less comfortable - when you log in as single user on an ubuntu system (with root disabled), it does not ask you for a password, it just drops you to a root prompt.
[01:20] <LinuxJones> kapputu, hiya :)
[01:21] <hectorvs> orga: yeah, i made it work while i was on gentoo... i have a dell 8600
[01:21] <topyli> jdub: thank you very much ;)
[01:21] <topyli> but that means local access
[01:21] <jdub> afv-13: that sounds insecure, but the only way you can do that is if you have physical access to the machine. and if you have physical access to the machine, you're screwed anyway.
[01:22] <winkle> It looks like muine is in universe but apt doesn't find it, any ideas?
[01:22] <afv-13> true
[01:22] <jdub> winkle: you've enabled universe?
[01:22] <winkle> jdub: Yes.
[01:22] <ogra> hectorvs: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops/view?searchterm=laptop%20i8k
[01:22] <topyli> jdub: yes, i can turn off your servers anytime if i get access to your house
[01:22] <ogra> hectorvs: 5.8 and above
[01:23] <jdub> afv-13: and in any situation where you have security policies that are different to the ubuntu defaults, you can impliment those without hassle.
[01:23] <kapputu> ok guys one more ubuntu machine is coming into this world
[01:23] <kapputu> tommorow it'll be two more
[01:23] <WW> topyli: There is more to worry about than turning off servers.
[01:23] <ogra> hectorvs: oh and 5.5 indeed
[01:23] <winkle> jdub: (if enabled you mean adding it to sources.lists), it's strange since blam is found.
[01:23] <kapputu> I dont need partition magic if I already have two fat partitions I want to use right ?
[01:23] <kensai> I'm having problems with sound the sound theme in ubuntu works just great but in xmms and gaming there is no sound
[01:23] <seb128> winkle: what's the error ?
[01:24] <LinuxJones> kapputu, you get a new box or installing on someone else's machine ?
[01:24] <kapputu> this one is on one of my desktops
[01:24] <topyli> WW: well, it's true that you can do worse damage than downtime
[01:24] <jdub> winkle: apt-cache search muine, then apt-get install muine -> tell us the errors/output
[01:24] <kensai> It happened after I upgraded warty to hoary hedgehog
[01:24] <ajmitch> jdub: it's not like singel user mode is much different on other distros if you're doing it with init=/bin/sh :)
[01:24] <ajmitch> hi jordi
[01:24] <nab> howdy
[01:24] <jdub> ajmitch: (sure, but most don't do that, for sensible reasons)
[01:24] <kapputu> actually both of them might be adorned with ubuntu today
[01:25] <Jet2k5> hello
[01:25] <kensai> where in ubuntu can I check thew configuration of my sound card
[01:25] <Jet2k5> I need to install the bootloader again, how would I do this from the cd?
[01:25] <winkle> seb128/jdub: it's not found, very strange
[01:25] <stuNNed> jdub, where is muine to be had?
[01:25] <Jet2k5> or is there another way?
[01:25] <ajmitch> I've had to do that when I've forgotten root passwords (test machines in uni lab)
[01:25] <jdub> stuNNed: universe
[01:25] <hectorvs> ogra: what about 5.5 and 5.8 ?
[01:25] <kapputu> ogra, help ?
[01:25] <stuNNed> jdub, universe of warty?
[01:25] <jdub> actually
[01:25] <jdub> muine is not in universe
[01:25] <jdub> it's in tseng's repository
[01:26] <Jet2k5> anyone?
[01:26] <kapputu> ne1 ?
[01:26] <stuNNed> jdub, ok thanks, can you /query me that repo plz?
[01:26] <seb128> jdub: depending if we speak about warty or hoary ;)
[01:26] <jdub> stuNNed: see the FAQ
[01:26] <winkle> jdub: explains it, but why is there a directory for it when I browse the archive on the web?
[01:26] <afv-13> last question: what can you run as root without sudo asking for root password?
[01:26] <stuNNed> jdub, okie dokie smokie!
[01:26] <afv-13> *user
[01:26] <jdub> winkle: probably because it used to be there
[01:26] <afv-13> not root
[01:26] <winkle> jdub: ok
[01:27] <kapputu> jdub help ?
[01:27] <seb128> winkle: it's in hoary
[01:27] <ogra> hectorvs: look in section 5.5 and 5.8 in this doc: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[01:27] <jdub> afv-13: nothing, in the default configuration
[01:27] <seb128> winkle: not in warty
[01:27] <afv-13> ok
[01:27] <winkle> seb128: ah
[01:27] <jdub> seb128: oh yeah, good point
[01:28] <topyli> jdub: let's make some time for some gnome research interview stuff. that's why i /queried you, sorry
[01:28] <hectorvs> ogra: yeah i already did.. i got all of that to work... the thing is that i8k does not want to load (device not found), i have the latest bios and all
[01:28] <jdub> topyli: what is this about? (perhaps it would be better to mail me?)
[01:28] <jdub> oh
[01:28] <jdub> juha
[01:28] <hectorvs> ogra: should i forceload it?
[01:28] <topyli> jdub: you know me
[01:28] <matthew> seb128: did you do the imagemagick debs...?
[01:28] <Jet2k5> ne1
[01:28] <jdub> topyli: yeah, just realised :)
[01:29] <ogra> hectorvs: i guess this wouldnt work....
[01:29] <kapputu> I forgot to tell u guys
[01:29] <topyli> jdub: sorry, i thought you knew :)
[01:29] <jdub> topyli: so, email questions would be easier ;)
[01:29] <topyli> jdub: ok, it might be wiser time-wise
[01:29] <robertj> What new features are in Hoary now?
[01:29] <seb128> matthew: no
[01:29] <kapputu> I was in school this morning, was in Windows since I hadn't configured my TI wireless card with Ubuntu
[01:29] <jdub> robertj: no 'features', but it has been synced with sid
[01:29] <robertj> oh, so just new 'breakage' ;)
[01:29] <kapputu> after about 10 mins, I get a message saying some lsass.exe failed and the system automatically shutdown in 50 secs
[01:30] <kapputu> man was I pissed off
[01:30] <ogra> kapputu: lsass.exe
[01:30] <seb128> jdub: we have glib/gtk+ 2.5.4 in hoary, that's a feature :p
[01:30] <kapputu> configured my card straightaway and came back to ubuntu and life was peaceful again
[01:31] <jdub> seb128: haha
[01:31] <afv-13> thanks for the debate
[01:31] <topyli> seb128: wonderful! so that was the 300M download i just did? :)
[01:32] <nate_> anyone got a message like this from synaptic?
[01:32] <nate_> : Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cupsys/cupsys_1.1.20final+cvs20040330-4ubuntu16_i386.deb
[01:32] <hectorvs> ogra: i read a guy's experience on a dell d600 installing debian, he says he had to force =1
[01:32] <chuck_> evening all
[01:32] <seb128> topyli: he he
[01:32] <ogra> nate_: refresh
[01:32] <hectorvs> ogra: gonna try that... hehe
[01:32] <jdub> seb128: actually, type-ahead-find in lists, and the '/' behaviour in the file-chooser are pretty good gtk+ 2.5 features ;)
[01:32] <nate_> ogra: done that a zillion times already, but I'll try again
[01:32] <ogra> hect; tell us ----
[01:32] <Jet2k5> hello?
[01:33] <seb128> jdub: yeah, but the type-ahead is kind of weird in some apps ... ie: in gossip it only finds online contacts
[01:33] <topyli> Jet2k5: beep beep beep...
[01:33] <nate_> refreshed, no change, same error
[01:33] <Jet2k5> can someone help me?????
[01:33] <nate_> 51 packages to apply, all of them downloaded correctly except for that one
[01:33] <chuck_> anyone know of a typing tutor like program for ubuntu?
[01:33] <Jet2k5> is it possible to re-install the bootloader from the Ubuntu cd?
[01:34] <Jet2k5> ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
[01:34] <Jet2k5> :P
[01:34] <zeratul> hi.. i had a question, i wanted to try ubuntu out; but as soon as i get the menu for choosing the keyboard, everything is frozen :/
[01:34] <ogra> nate_: i just downloaded it from the given link... works.... is your disk full ?
[01:34] <topyli> Jet2k5: it should be possible if you can boot ubuntu in any way (like the cd)
[01:35] <Jet2k5> topyli: well I tried adding some entrys in LILO and nothing happeneds
[01:35] <chuck_> zeratul it is possible the disk is bad?
[01:35] <Jet2k5> ubuntu will not boot up
[01:35] <Jet2k5> it's all screwed up
[01:35] <topyli> Jet2k5: you use lilo?
[01:35] <zeratul> chuck_: maybe; but i don't think so because i am in linux on my old distro in it right now
[01:35] <Jet2k5> no, that's what over wrote grub
[01:35] <nofear> hello
[01:35] <LinuxJones> chuck_, tipptrainer or ktouch
[01:36] <topyli> Jet2k5: ah, you need grub-update or whatever it's called
[01:36] <Jet2k5> I run arch, and I just got kernel 2.6.9-ARCH and it needed for me to re-run lilo,  and when I did I forgot about grub, so it overwrote it
[01:36] <Jet2k5> how do I do that?
[01:37] <topyli> Jet2k5: /sbin/grub-install
[01:37] <gruberman_> g'night
[01:37] <chuck_> linuxjones are those aptable?
[01:37] <Jet2k5> ok ill be bakc later
[01:37] <nofear> hey is it possible to install vmware on ubuntu?
[01:37] <LinuxJones> chuck_, ya if you add the universe repository
[01:37] <zeratul> chuck_: plus, do you really think its a bad hard disk; because if so why would it boot fine then just crash on the keyboard screen?
[01:37] <chuck_> precisely what do  apt?
[01:38] <chuck_> zeratul the CD might not have burned correctly
[01:38] <nofear> hey is it possible to install vmware on ubuntu?
[01:38] <stuNNed> jdub, thanks!
[01:38] <nofear> i've been having problems trying to get it to work
[01:39] <kapputu> ok for a machine with 384 MB RAM what should be the size of swap ?
[01:39] <LinuxJones> chuck_, apt-get install tipptrainer ktouch
[01:40] <ogra> nofear: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/VMware
[01:40] <LinuxJones> chuck_,  will get both of them but you probably only need 1
[01:40] <nofear> sec going there
[01:40] <kapputu> hmm am I visible ?
[01:40] <ogra> kapputu: 500M is fine
[01:41] <nofear> ok been there
[01:41] <nofear> that place didnt help me
[01:41] <nofear> i am assuming its telling me to edit /etc/init.d/vmware right?
[01:41] <chuck_> tried that and apt didnt work
[01:41] <topyli> kapputu: i can see you fine. let's scroll up and see the question :)
[01:41] <chuck_> not a huge deal just i am a bad typist
[01:42] <nofear> ogra, the file you edit for that would be /etc/init.d/vmware right?
[01:42] <zeratul> chuck_: i can try reburning it; besides that; any other ideas?
[01:42] <chuck_> how do i set up universe?
[01:42] <Scognito> hi all
[01:42] <kapputu> ok I'm installing ubuntu on a desktop
[01:42] <kapputu> I have 9.4 GB free space
[01:42] <Scognito> how can enable framebuffer on ubuntu?
[01:42] <ogra> nofear: i think so.... did you remove the not_configured file
[01:42] <nofear> yep
[01:42] <chuck_> zeratul it could have been the download itself to hard to know
[01:42] <nofear> and i still get error
[01:42] <kapputu> yesterday some guys were telling me on creating seperate partitions for /home /usr etc
[01:42] <kapputu> could someone help me with that ?
[01:43] <ogra> nofear: whats the error
[01:43] <zeratul> chuck_: okay; i'll check md5s if i can find some or something then
[01:43] <zeratul> chuck_: thanks
[01:43] <nofear> just a sec
[01:43] <chuck_> :)
[01:43] <topyli> kapputu: how much RAM?
[01:43] <kapputu> 384
[01:43] <topyli> kapputu: i would create a / and /home and swap
[01:44] <topyli> the swap being like 500M
[01:44] <kapputu> ic
[01:44] <kapputu> no seperate /usr ?
[01:44] <topyli> kapputu: useless. all you need is as much space as you can get for /home, that's what counts. not the system
[01:44] <nofear> VMware Workstation Error:
[01:44] <nofear> Could not open /dev/vmmon: No such device.
[01:44] <nofear> Please make sure that the kernel module `vmmon' is loaded.
[01:44] <nofear> Press "Enter" to continue...
[01:45] <kapputu> ok how much for / and how much for /home ?
[01:45] <chuck_> zeratul what distro were you using?
[01:45] <ogra> kapputu: separate /usr can speed up a lot, but only if you got it on a different disk ;)
[01:45] <kapputu> like 4gig each ?
[01:45] <kapputu> ic
[01:45] <topyli> kapputu: i have a BIG debian/ubuntu bastard here and it doesn't take 4G
[01:46] <the_tux> hi all....i installed ubuntu on my s-ata and after i can't login to root because i don't have the password...could anyone help me ?
[01:46] <kapputu> but I saw that after ubuntu installed, it occupied around 1.7 gig
[01:46] <ogra> nofear: so you should try sudo modprobe vmmon
[01:46] <kapputu> tht's of course because there were a lot of apps that I dint want
[01:46] <kapputu> so what about 3 and 5 ?
[01:46] <topyli> kapputu: i said i have a big bastard installation. you want 4G at MOST
[01:47] <kapputu> i mean 3 and 6
[01:47] <paulproteus> the_tux: There is no root user.
[01:47] <paulproteus> You must log in as yourself, and then run 'sudo bash'.
[01:47] <topyli> kapputu: 3 is fine for sure
[01:47] <paulproteus> Enter your own user's password, and you'll have a root shell.
[01:47] <kapputu> what do u mean by big bastard install ?
[01:47] <nofear> ok sec
[01:47] <nofear> FATAL: Module vmmon not found.
[01:47] <nofear> nofear@nofear:~ $
[01:47] <ogra> kapputu: lots of evil mixed debs
[01:48] <the_tux> paulproteus, hmm thanks so much...but you mean that i should always run that command for to become root user ?
[01:48] <ogra> kapputu: make up a huge system
[01:48] <jdub> the_tux: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root/view
[01:48] <jdub> paulproteus: best to give the faq url as the answer
[01:48] <topyli> kapputu: i mean all the useless stuff, lots of stuff for testing, compiling space, useless games that i forgot to uninstall...
[01:48] <the_tux> jdub, thanks so much
[01:48] <amathis> christ.
[01:48] <amathis> it messed up.
[01:48] <amathis> it could not fine a file when it tried to install base system
[01:48] <ogra> nofear: so you need the module... i never used vmware, but i guess you need to compile it .....
[01:48] <amathis> I checked the md5sums.
[01:48] <amathis> and they match
[01:49] <nofear> ya.. humm
[01:49] <amathis> where can I get a net install?
[01:49] <nofear> lol
[01:49] <nofear> i dont know then...
[01:49] <nofear> :|
[01:50] <Matt|> does anyone work with acpi??
[01:50] <topyli> jdub: you would know and help kapputu: how much space does a ubuntu default install take? i'm trying to tell him to make a small root and a big home
[01:50] <kapputu> hmm it's slow
[01:50] <amathis> Matt| Where is a net install?
[01:50] <kapputu> it was faster on my friend's PII-400
[01:50] <jdub> about 1.3G
[01:50] <Matt|> i have had my laptop without ac power for 10 minutes now and it is still reporting matt@kallisto:~ $ acpi
[01:50] <Matt|>      Battery 1: charged, 100%
[01:50] <jdub> easier to just create one big partition
[01:50] <kapputu> hope the cd is not damaged
[01:50] <kapputu> or scratchy
[01:51] <mojo_> hi all ppl!
[01:51] <kapputu> hi mojo_
[01:51] <kapputu> what's up dude
[01:51] <LinuxJones> mojo_, hiya
[01:51] <mojo_> nice to see that Hoary respo is on, lots of updates ^o^
[01:51] <topyli> jdub: no it's not. you might be a newbie who changes systems all the time to find the perfect one, and wants to save /home during experiments
[01:51] <amathis> hello?
[01:52] <jdub> topyli: doesn't sound like a newbie to me :)
[01:52] <amathis> please, I am without a system ATM.
[01:52] <nate_> ogra: re cupsys, no, disk isn't full, I have 12 GB free, and I too am able to download the package from that url via a web browser - but both synaptic and apt-get report 'bad header line' when they try to fetch it
[01:52] <kapputu> what's ATM ?
[01:52] <amathis> does anyone know where I can find a net install?
[01:52] <amathis> At the Moment
[01:52] <Matt|> at the moment
[01:52] <topyli> jdub: ok, sounds more like me :)
[01:52] <Matt|> amathis, sorry no idea
[01:52] <amathis> dangit,.
[01:52] <amathis> well now I am screwed.
[01:52] <LinuxJones> amathis, what file was not found on the cd ?
[01:53] <nofear> ogra, i found the mod
[01:53] <nate_> is there any way to manually insert a .deb into the apt cache?
[01:53] <ogra> nate_: drop the downloaded package in /var/cache/apt/archives
[01:53] <amathis> LinuxJones, some utility..
[01:53] <nate_> ogra: done that, makes no difference
[01:53] <amathis> LinuxJones, I don't remember.
[01:53] <nofear> not sure how to compile it
[01:53] <kapputu> someone please give ogra a hand
[01:53] <Matt|> can anyone help me with ACPI?
[01:53] <amathis> I was hoping a net install would find it.
[01:53] <nate_> apt-get still thinks it needs to download it, and fails
[01:53] <kapputu> he is handling atleast 3 ppl at the same time
[01:53] <Scognito> i retry..
[01:53] <Scognito> how can enable framebuffer on ubuntu?
[01:53] <GotD0t> how bad would it be if i were to force my CRT into a higher refresh rate?
[01:53] <ogra> kapputu: lol, i get used to this *g*
[01:53] <amathis> LinuxJones, do you know where a net install is?
[01:53] <ogra> nofear: binary ?
[01:53] <topyli> kapputu: did you hear jdub's sage advice while he disagreed with me? just make one big paritition :)
[01:54] <kapputu> hey GotD0t
[01:54] <amathis> .. the docs say that there is a net install available but I cannot find it.
[01:54] <GotD0t> hi
[01:54] <kapputu> no I din't
[01:54] <nofear> it came with vmware its called vmmon.tar
[01:54] <kapputu> i have been doing that all the while
[01:54] <nofear> it unzips to vmmon-only
[01:54] <kapputu> i'll have two partitions for a change
[01:54] <LinuxJones> amathis, If you have a good md5 sum on the image you downloaded it is probably a bad cd that you burned it to. Can you easily re-burn the Ubuntu image ?
[01:54] <ogra> nofear: a dir ?
[01:54] <nofear> yeah
[01:54] <mojo_> ah
[01:54] <mojo_> I have a question
[01:54] <stuNNed> kapputu, how goes?
[01:54] <amathis> LinuxJones, sure.,
[01:55] <kapputu> u mean the install ?
[01:55] <ogra> nate_: did you copy it with sudo ?
[01:55] <LinuxJones> amathis, your disk is bad I am 99% sure :)
[01:55] <mojo_> how to use Archive Mamnager with rar? (got rar installed already)
[01:55] <ogra> nofear: whats in it ?
[01:55] <nate_> ogra: yes, I did
[01:55] <nofear> root@nofear:/home/nofear/vmware-distrib/vmmon-only # ls
[01:55] <nofear> autoconf       linux            README       vmmon.o
[01:55] <nofear> common         Makefile         vmmon.ko
[01:55] <nofear> getversion.pl  Makefile.kernel  vmmon.mod.c
[01:55] <nofear> include        Makefile.normal  vmmon.mod.o
[01:55] <nofear> root@nofear:/home/nofear/vmware-distrib/vmmon-only #
[01:55] <kapputu> a quick ques, is vmware free ?
[01:55] <ogra> nofear: README !
[01:56] <ogra> kapputu: nope
[01:56] <topyli> kapputu: dream on :)
[01:56] <kapputu> lol
[01:56] <nate_> wait... maybe I grabbed the cupsys-client instead of cupsys
[01:56] <nofear> ogra, it just says run make
[01:56] <kapputu> i knew, but asked just in case you guys had come up with something :-)
[01:56] <topyli> kapputu: buy an old PC and install windows on it. use it over VNC
[01:56] <nofear> i did make it compiled no errors
[01:56] <kapputu> brb
[01:56] <nofear> but i still get error with vmware
[01:57] <topyli> kapputu: cheaper :)
[01:57] <nofear> and that mobprobe vmmon says the same thing
[01:57] <mojo_> can someone help me? I can't make Archive Manager working with rar file even I've already installed rar
[01:57] <cardador> mojo_: have you installed rar-nonfree?
[01:57] <nate_> aha, I did
[01:58] <nofear> do i need reboot
[01:58] <matthew> anyone know how to autodetect/browse CUPS print queues over the network?
[01:58] <riley> i saw on some website that dd was used to make an iso w/o mounting a cd drive, but when i try it it only writes 1.5MB and then says I/O error... Am I using the wrong command or is there some switch I should be using or what?
[01:58] <ogra> nofear: dunno, but are you sure make compiled ?
[01:58] <topyli> mojo_: open a terminal and see if you have unrar, type 'which unrar'
[01:59] <nofear> Building for VMware Workstation 4.0.x.
[01:59] <nofear> Using 2.6.x kernel build system.
[01:59] <nofear> cp -f vmmon.ko ./../vmmon.o
[01:59] <nofear> root@nofear:/home/nofear/vmware-distrib/vmmon-only #
[02:00] <Matt|> ok I have now had my laptop off AC power for nearly 30 minutes and I am still getting "Battery 1: charged, 100%" from acpi. What is going on? I would really appreciate someone explaining this to me!!!
[02:00] <ogra> nofear: thats all ?
[02:00] <nofear> yeah
[02:00] <nofear> hodl a sec ill make clean it and redo it how u everything
[02:01] <topyli> Matt|: that's lovely! i'd like a laptop like that =)
[02:01] <pt> help!!!!!!
[02:01] <Se7h> back with updated sys
[02:01] <nofear> nvm it gave me a bunch of errors now
[02:01] <paulproteus> pt: Do you have a question?
[02:01] <nofear> *** Warning: "_exit" [/home/nofear/vmware-distrib/vmmon-only/vmmon.ko]  undefined!
[02:01] <nofear>   CC      /home/nofear/vmware-distrib/vmmon-only/vmmon.mod.o
[02:01] <nofear>   LD [M]   /home/nofear/vmware-distrib/vmmon-only/vmmon.ko
[02:01] <nofear> make[1] : Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-header
[02:01] <pt> yes
[02:01] <paulproteus> Then ask it. ;)
[02:01] <pt> i have a terminal window up
[02:01] <Matt|> topyli, you know what is going on? My laptop has crap battery life lol
[02:02] <pt> i want to config my video card what is a way to do it from there
[02:02] <LinuxJones> nofear, your killing me with your flooding please stop
[02:02] <ogra> nofear: youll need build-essential and your kernel headers installe to compile this
[02:02] <pt> it didnt let me configure it from install
[02:03] <topyli> Matt|: no. i never carry laptops around, they're enslaving. i find computers and find my home box through the network :)
[02:03] <nofear> oh heck i wouldnt know how to do that
[02:03] <riley> Is dd if=<cddrive> of=cd.iso the correct command to write an iso from a cd drive? Is there something else I could use instead?
[02:03] <nofear> every time i mess with the kernel i screw my system up rorally
[02:03] <pt> any ideas?
[02:03] <Matt|> i need somebody who works with acpi to help me out :(
[02:03] <pt> matt go in bios and disable it
[02:04] <pt> :)
[02:04] <ogra> nofear: user synaptic ;) look for "build essential" and "linux-headers" corresponding to your version
[02:04] <topyli> Matt|: throw it away! you have a philosophical problem, not a technical one =)
[02:04] <pt> is there a way to get to video config from a terminal screen
[02:04] <nofear> ok brb ina  while then
[02:05] <paulproteus> pt: Like by running xdpyinfo?
[02:06] <Matt|> weirdo
[02:06] <pt> paulproteus what does this do?
[02:06] <paulproteus> It shows you information about your X DisPlaY
[02:06] <paulproteus> .
[02:06] <pt> unable to open display
[02:07] <altan> is there a way to get to video config from a terminal screen <--- XF86Config or XConfigurator
[02:07] <LinuxJones> altan, sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[02:07] <paulproteus> pt: Ah, you have to be running X, the graphical desktop that comes with Ubuntu, to use xdpyinfo.
[02:08] <amathis> dangit
[02:08] <amathis> I re burnt it.
[02:08] <pt> thats what i am trying to do config after the fact
[02:08] <amathis> and it cannot find libcap1
[02:08] <amathis> LinuxJones, could it be that I am burning it too fasT?
[02:08] <amathis> it is 48x burner..
[02:08] <amathis> LinuxJones, it cannot find libcap1.
[02:10] <LinuxJones> amathis, 48 is pretty fast but you should be ok. Might not hurt to drop writing speed just incase your media is like super cheap :)
[02:10] <altan> you should re-enable burn proof
[02:10] <amathis> this is making me mad.. I have never had a problem like this before
[02:11] <amathis> could someone give me a link to the net install talked about in the docs?
[02:11] <amathis> I cannot for the life of me find it.
[02:11] <altan> amathis, gconf > apps > nautilus-cd-burner > burnproof (enable)
[02:11] <amathis> altan, I use k3b.
[02:11] <altan> ah
[02:11] <jchillerup> hi
[02:12] <LinuxJones> amathis, what is the link to the netinstall reference, I didn't know there was one
[02:12] <pt> altan
[02:12] <jchillerup> Is it possible to install a PCMCIA Wireless Networking card at installation, and fetch packages from the net?
[02:13] <pt> how do i get that command to run
[02:13] <rvirani> hey all
[02:13] <rvirani> anyone good with PPC?
[02:13] <jchillerup> A little
[02:13] <rvirani> my right click aint working, YES F11, F12 dont work
[02:13] <jchillerup> Hmm
[02:13] <jchillerup> There is no rightclick on a mac
[02:13] <jchillerup> There is only one button
[02:14] <altan> uh you should probably do sudo xconfigurator or sudo xf86config, but if it's just one setting, LinuxJones is right, just sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[02:14] <rvirani> jchillerup, lol
[02:14] <rvirani> jchillerup, I know that!
[02:14] <amathis> A netboot install is also available, but for now it is outside the scope of this document.
[02:14] <amathis> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/installation-i386
[02:14] <altan> jchillerup he can get another mouse :P
[02:14] <rvirani> jchillerup, nm
[02:14] <rvirani> I have an ibook
[02:14] <rvirani> 'there is a way to map keys but showkeys returns hex values
[02:15] <amathis> LinuxJones, ^^
[02:16] <jchillerup> hmm
[02:16] <jchillerup> ASk in the forums
[02:16] <amathis> heh..
[02:16] <pt> man oh man
[02:16] <socomm> Forums?
[02:16] <jchillerup> To repeat my question: Is it possible to setup your wireless pcmcia card at install
[02:16] <amathis> seeming how I don't have a computer atm.
[02:16] <pt> lotta stuff
[02:16] <jchillerup> ppc forums
[02:16] <pt> lol
[02:17] <socomm> jchillerup: yes it is possible.
[02:17] <pt> any ideas on what to change?
[02:17] <mojo_> toploly: unrar command work, /usr/local/bin/unrar
[02:17] <riley> I'm having problems with the dd command... where can I go for this?
[02:17] <jchillerup> socomm > how
[02:18] <jchillerup> It has started copying files to the harddisk
[02:18] <socomm> jchillerup: you'll need to mess some of the init scripts.
[02:18] <jchillerup> argh
[02:18] <jchillerup> I haven't done that
[02:18] <jchillerup> Hmm... I'm gonna make it work as soon as it's installed
[02:18] <socomm> jchillerup: good luck.
[02:18] <jchillerup> Thank you
[02:19] <jchillerup> I think I'll stay here :D
[02:19] <max_> dell laptop, sound does not work...volume control says I have no mixer nand or devices found
[02:20] <socomm> max_: you may have to load your audio cards driver by hand.
[02:20] <jchillerup> argh.. Dell laptop - the framebuffer fucks up :S
[02:20] <jchillerup> I did it without
[02:20] <jchillerup> :] 
[02:21] <jchillerup> I certainly hope it will work as it's installed
[02:21] <jchillerup> 67%
[02:21] <schweeb> max_: you have to unload parport, lp, and parport_pc
[02:21] <schweeb> and be sure they don't get loaded again
[02:21] <schweeb> the sound card and the parport modules all want to hog IRQ7
[02:21] <max_> how do I do this
[02:22] <rvirani> max_, rmmod as root
[02:22] <rvirani> ?
[02:22] <ogra_> max_: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops look at section 5.8
[02:22] <schweeb> you'll have to blacklist them in /etc/hotplug/blacklist and /etc/discover.conf
[02:22] <jchillerup> Which of these is the better: GRUB/LILO?
[02:22] <schweeb> grub, generally
[02:22] <jchillerup> ok
[02:22] <socomm> Dell laptops suck, if I had the money I'd get a ThinkPad.
[02:22] <ogra_> max_: the acpi_irq_isa=7 should apply to you
[02:23] <altan> what package do i need to insatll to unrar rar files? GNOME recognizes them but can't unrar them
[02:23] <jchillerup> socomm > I do not agree
[02:23] <altan> I searched synaptic for RAR and got nothing relevant
[02:23] <socomm> altan: http:www.google.com
[02:23] <socomm> altan: rar has linux binaries which you can install by hand.
[02:23] <altan> agh, nothing in apt/synaptic though?
[02:24] <matthew> max_: what sound module...?
[02:24] <socomm> altan: if I recall correctly, no.
[02:24] <ogra_> altan: enabled universe/mutiverse ?
[02:24] <schweeb> rar-2.80 - Archiver for .rar files
[02:24] <schweeb> ^^^^^^
[02:25] <altan> I think so, I got everything checked in the repositories
[02:25] <brettcar> altan: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[02:25] <brettcar> altan: The answer is in there.
[02:25] <tolstoy_> mx.DateTime module not found.  Hm.  Which of the billion python packages has that?
[02:25] <limaunion> hi, I'm having some trouble with mplayer, I'm getting the following message: alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: No such file or directory, any ideas? that file exists under /dev
[02:25] <ogra_> altan: unrar is in multiverse
[02:25] <rvirani> anyone?
[02:26] <altan> hmm, let me reload
[02:26] <tolstoy_> python=egenix-mxdatetime doesn't seem acceptable to psycopg2.  weird.
[02:26] <ogra_> altan: called unrar-nonfree
[02:26] <socomm> limaunion: do you have an entry `/dev/mixer' under /dev?
[02:27] <socomm> limaunion: nevermind.
[02:27] <max_> matthew: 82801ca/cam ac'97 audiio conroller
[02:27] <tolstoy_> ah. egenix-dev. ;)
[02:27] <limaunion> socomm: sure: crw-rw----    1 root     audio     14,   0 Oct 29 19:35 /dev/mixer
[02:28] <socomm> limaunion: is the also sound stuff up?
[02:28] <socomm> s/also/alsa
[02:28] <matthew> max_: just wondering
[02:28] <ogra_> max: did you read the website ?
[02:28] <ogra_> oh
[02:29] <socomm> limaunion: you probably got oss up or something, you can specify the driver with `mplayer -ao driver movie.mpg'.
[02:29] <limaunion> socomm: let me check that
[02:29] <pt> ok dumb question
[02:29] <socomm> limaunion: list the available drivers with `mplayer -ao help'.
[02:29] <kensai> Ok I lost sound in ubuntu's applications should I reinstall ubuntu? This happened after upgrading from warty to hoary
[02:29] <pt> how do i log in as root thru putty
[02:29] <brettcar> pt: You can't
[02:29] <socomm> pt: su maybe?
[02:29] <matthew> pt: short answer, don't
[02:30] <ogra_> kensai: youre sure you know what youre doing ?
[02:30] <brettcar> pt: Log in as your regular user, then use 'sudo', or if you need a root shell, 'sudo -s'
[02:30] <socomm> pt: probably not a good idea though.
[02:30] <pt> hey
[02:30] <pt> if i cant get it up whats it going to hurt
[02:30] <pt> fresh install
[02:30] <pt> i cant get video working
[02:31] <kensai> ogra_: I don't know
[02:31] <matthew> pt: if you insist, enable root user (see wiki) and then edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config to enable root login
[02:31] <kensai> I have lots of data that will be lost
[02:31] <limaunion> socomm: thanks! will try later your suggestion
[02:31] <pt> matthew it want let me on the linux box
[02:31] <kensai> I just lost sound in games and apps but ubuntu's sound theme in gnome works
[02:32] <ogra_> kensai: hoary is not for enduser usage yet... and it will probably break heavy the next time
[02:32] <pt> so su no good
[02:32] <socomm> kensai: reinstalling an OS usually isn't a good solution for any problem. Try trouble shooting, it's a good opportunity to learn something.
[02:32] <matthew> pt: you can't ssh in as root then
[02:32] <kensai> trouble shooting?
[02:32] <socomm> pt: sudo -s
[02:32] <pt> or on the linux box itsself
[02:32] <pt> k
[02:32] <pt> ahhhh
[02:33] <pt> tanx
[02:33] <ogra_> jdub: are there downgrade instructions hoary->warty ?
[02:34] <jdub> ooof
[02:34] <jdub> dude
[02:34] <ogra_> jdub: kensai ....
[02:34] <kensai> yep
[02:34] <jdub> oh
[02:34] <jdub> right
[02:34] <jdub> kensai: that was a very silly thing to do *spank*spank* i suggest reinstalling
[02:34] <kensai> LOL what I feared
[02:35] <ogra_> jdub: its possible, i read something on debianplanet ....
[02:35] <kensai> there may be a broken package in hoary
[02:35] <cardador> i upgraded to hoary, and still can play my games with sound
[02:35] <ogra_> jdub: i'll exmine it, i thik we'll see this more often ;)
[02:35] <jdub> it is possible, but it's not easy, and it's not really all that useful
[02:35] <kensai> my volume control center does not list my via ac '97 card anymore
[02:36] <jdub> ogra_: no, the right answer is "reinstall"
[02:36] <ogra_> jdub: ok
[02:36] <jdub> we should not be encouraging upgrades to the DEVELOPMENT BRANCH for random users who want 'new stuff'
[02:36] <brettcar> Aye
[02:37] <pt> ok it picked up my video
[02:37] <ogra_> kensai: why did you upgrade ?
[02:37] <ajmitch> how is hoary compared to sid at the moment?
[02:37] <pt> is there any reason why it will not show on monitor
[02:37] <kensai> Just for having the latest thats funny
[02:37] <jdub> kensai: it's probably just a matter of a driver not being loaded, independent of hoary or warty
[02:37] <jdub> ajmitch: pretty close, we still have some merging to do
[02:37] <tolstoy_> when start/stopping postgres as root, it says, "do this as process user", when doing same as "postgres," says must be root.  Is this a bug worth reporting?
[02:38] <kensai> where should I check the drivers thing?
[02:38] <brettcar> jdub: We could probably assist them in adding a single package from hoary if they need it, at their own risk.
[02:38] <jdub> brettcar: that's not useful to anyone
[02:38] <jdub> brettcar: if something goes wrong, we can't help them
[02:38] <jdub> if they're using warty packages only, we can. if they're using hoary packages only, we can.
[02:39] <jdub> if they're mixing (read: mucking) up their system without really knowing what they're doing, we can't. :)
[02:39] <kensai> my sound card it's listed in the device manager so I don't know why this happened
[02:39] <brettcar> jdub: I suppose so :)
[02:39] <jdub> kensai: that doesn't mean the driver is loaded
[02:40] <kensai> I'm just frustrated so don't pay attention to me LOL
[02:40] <kensai> should I put the output of the error?
[02:41] <kensai> xmms says I should check my sound card configuration
[02:41] <kensai> and gaming says this:
[02:42] <kensai> open /dev/[sound/] dsp: Resource temporarily unavailable
[02:42] <kensai> Xlib: extension "XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD" missing on display ":0.0".
[02:42] <jdub> the X error doesn't matter
[02:42] <jdub> is there an esd process running?
[02:42] <kensai> ?
[02:42] <jdub> is esd running?
[02:42] <ogra_> kan: ps ax|grep esd
[02:43] <kensai> don't understand newbie here <-----
[02:43] <pt> i am 5 min new
[02:43] <pt> newbie<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
[02:43] <kensai> what is esd and how I check?
[02:43] <ogra_> kent: copy n paste what i wrote in a terminal
[02:43] <pt> highlight
[02:44] <pt> then right click where to paste
[02:44] <ogra_> kensai: if you get output its running
[02:44] <kensai> open /dev/[sound/] dsp: Resource temporarily unavailable
[02:45] <kensai> this is the problem I think ^^^^
[02:45] <pt> well i am stuck
[02:45] <pt> all i can get is a bash termianl
[02:45] <pt> no video
[02:45] <ogra_> kensai: open a terminal, type: ps ax| grep esd
[02:45] <pt> does recognize my video card in kerna;
[02:46] <ogra_> kensai: to see if esd is running and blocking the device
[02:46] <pt> but will not display on monnitor
[02:46] <kensai>  4398 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps
[02:46] <kensai>  5257 pts/0    R+     0:00 grep esd
[02:46] <ogra_> k
[02:46] <stuNNed> is there a way to open in tabs by default and opening them in the background from an external link?
[02:46] <pt> any ideas?
[02:46] <ogra_> kensai: set the output of xmms to esd in the settings
[02:47] <mirak_> stunned, try scroll wheel
[02:47] <kensai> ogra_: in english please
[02:47] <stuNNed> mirak_, external link like in blam!
[02:47] <ogra_> kensai: open the settings of xmms
[02:47] <ogra_> kensai: select the esd output plugin
[02:48] <jchillerup> Ahem.. What is my root password when i've not defined any?
[02:48] <ogra_> kensai: i'm flying blind here, havent used xmms since years
[02:48] <mirak_> stunned, sorry.....havent used it, but maybe try right clicking on the link?
[02:48] <jchillerup> I wan't asked at install
[02:48] <kensai> Oka
[02:48] <ogra_> kensai: you'll have to find the options yourself
[02:48] <mirak_> jchillerup, your user pass for sudo
[02:49] <ogra_> jchillerup: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:49] <kensai> but the problem is not xmms that much is my games
[02:49] <mirak_> OGRA BOT
[02:49] <kensai> :-(
[02:49] <ogra_> mirak_: *g*
[02:49] <netdur> how to know if there updates (security and so) should apply?
[02:49] <mirak_> what is *g*?
[02:49] <Se7h> erg
[02:50] <ogra_> mirak_: grinning ?
[02:50] <Se7h> does anyone knows why cant i see some of my files
[02:50] <Se7h> i mean
[02:50] <Se7h> they're like ghosts
[02:50] <max_> sound card dell laptop; where do I specify this   pci=noacpi
[02:50] <Se7h> the're there
[02:50] <Se7h> but i cant open them
[02:50] <mirak_> ogra, kk :)
[02:50] <stuNNed> mirak_, i.e. in galeon, one could `galeon -n --noraise` and it would open when clicked on external link in a new tab in the background, not brining the browser to the forefront
[02:50] <Se7h> and when i right-click 'em they just disapear
[02:51] <Se7h> can someone help me?
[02:51] <kensai> ogra_: Thanks a lot for your helping I will just reinstall, Thanks again
[02:51] <stuNNed> mirak_, thanks anyways :)
[02:52] <calc> Se7h: perhaps you don't have read permission on the files?
[02:52] <ogra_> kensai: probably the best to do :)
[02:52] <Se7h> calc, odd but possible
[02:52] <Se7h> le'me check
[02:52] <kensai> LOL I can't wait to put my hands on hoary again LOL
[02:53] <ogra_> max_: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops in section 5.8 is a description how to add boot options
[02:54] <kensai> I upgraded to hoary cause I dont see much upgrade on warty
[02:54] <jchillerup> Hmm.. Next problem: Where do I start, if I want to use wireless networking
[02:54] <Se7h> aaah
[02:54] <Se7h> how dumb lol
[02:54] <ogra_> kensai: so you should be happy, everything is stable
[02:54] <Se7h> thanks calc
[02:55] <sidney> im trying to mount an ftp server with gnomevfs but when I do the folder gets put on the desktop. Is there any way to put it elsewhere?
[02:55] <kensai> ogra_: your right very right
[02:55] <kensai> ogra_: I just learned it the hard way
[02:56] <ogra_> kensai: we all did... once
[02:56] <kensai> but now I saw hoary shows some promises it auto mounts my usb and cd
[02:57] <ogra_> kensai: warty didnt for you  ??
[02:57] <kensai> nope
[02:58] <ogra_> kensai: it should....
[02:58] <kensai> usb flash drive is sda in warty
[02:58] <kensai> and it is supposed to be sda1
[02:58] <Scognito> how can enable framebuffer on ubuntu?
[02:58] <Scognito> hello
[02:58] <befuddled> Hello
[02:59] <befuddled> Wondering if anyone could help an install issue with debootstrap
[02:59] <befuddled> during Ubuntu install.
[02:59] <LinuxJones> Scognito, it's probably enabled by default
[02:59] <Scognito> LinuxJones, it doesn't
[02:59] <LinuxJones> Scognito, lsmod | grep fb
[03:00] <LinuxJones> Scognito, nothing shows up ?
[03:00] <Scognito> vesafb                  6560  0
[03:00] <Scognito> cfbcopyarea             3712  1 vesafb
[03:00] <Scognito> cfbimgblt               3072  1 vesafb
[03:00] <Scognito> cfbfillrect             3616  1 vesafb
[03:00] <Scognito> why fbset doesn't work
[03:00] <MarcN> anyone upgraded to the hoary bleeding edge?  How did it go?
[03:00] <ogra_> LOL
[03:00] <LinuxJones> Scognito, you xserver is not set-up correctly
[03:00] <LinuxJones> Scognito, do you have a Nvidia or ATI card ?
[03:01] <Scognito> for now i'm using nvidia
[03:01] <Scognito> why X
[03:01] <dewey> MarcN: you try it and let us know what breaks :)
[03:01] <ogra_> Scognito: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:01] <LinuxJones> Scognito, ogra (bot) what is that binary howto link ?
[03:01] <Scognito> ogra_, i've nvidia 3d ok
[03:01] <LinuxJones> ogra_, omg you even beat me to aht
[03:01] <befuddled> Anyone have any issues with debootstrap while installing Ubuntu? It keeps failing on me.
[03:01] <MarcN> dewey, well, i just fired off a    trickle -d 15 apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:01] <LinuxJones> er that
[03:02] <mirak_> ogra is unbeatable
[03:02] <MarcN> i need 180M from the archives.  should have done this at work.
[03:02] <LinuxJones> ogra-bot V 0.1 is online :)
[03:02] <mirak_> hahaha
[03:02] <dewey> MarcN: did you change all you sources to hoary?
[03:03] <ubuntu_legend> how does on change their sources to hoary?
[03:03] <ogra_> ;)
[03:03] <Se7h> ok
[03:04] <Se7h> just one more thing drivin me nuts
[03:04] <ogra_> reminder HOARY IS UNSTABLE reminder
[03:04] <befuddled> Oh well... I guess I'll just keep beating my head against the monitor until I get it working.
[03:04] <mirak_> lol
[03:04] <Se7h> i erased 2 partitions (15gb 5gb)
[03:04] <Scognito> so is there a way to enable fb?
[03:04] <dewey> hoary is alpha and unstable :)
[03:04] <Se7h> and created one of 20gb
[03:04] <Scognito> i've rececked the howto
[03:04] <Se7h> when i mount it
[03:04] <Se7h> it only gives me 15
[03:04] <Scognito> it doens't speaks about fb
[03:05] <amathis> ok, everything is working :D
[03:05] <amathis> now, how do I get root?
[03:05] <LinuxJones> Scognito, Xwindows is working for you ok or no ?
[03:05] <Scognito> ok
[03:05] <Scognito> but why X, the problem is fb
[03:05] <ogra_> amathis: you cant
[03:06] <LinuxJones> Scognito, that is weird you should have it since the modules are loaded
[03:06] <Se7h> i doint get it
[03:06] <amathis> ogra_, then how do I do anything??
[03:06] <Scognito> strnage
[03:06] <Scognito> btw cannot i disable devfs
[03:06] <pt> hey guys you can get back into the xfree config from terminal
[03:06] <Se7h> help me when u can
[03:06] <MarcN> ogra_, that is okay, this isn't my main system.
[03:07] <ogra_> amathis: 4
[03:07] <ogra_> amathis: 3
[03:07] <ogra_> amathis: 2
[03:07] <MarcN> dewey, yeah
[03:07] <ogra_> amathis: 1
[03:07] <ogra_> amathis: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:07] <ogra_> yay bot with countdown
[03:07] <ubuntu_legend> how do i enable hoary repositories?
[03:07] <ogra_> reminder HOARY IS UNSTABLE reminder
[03:08] <MarcN> ubuntu_legend, replace 'warty' with 'hoary' in sources.list
[03:08] <ubuntu_legend> so is windows and millions use it daily ;)
[03:08] <pt> guys i done it
[03:08] <pt> thank you so much
[03:08] <MarcN> woot! 3% done of download...
[03:08] <pt> for all your help
[03:08] <ogra_> ubuntu-geek: windows is broken by accident.... hoary is wanted to break
[03:08] <MarcN> trickle is nice if you are sharing a dsl and don't want the wife to get cranky
[03:09] <ogra_> * ubuntu_legend
[03:09] <amathis> hrm..
[03:09] <amathis> I want to enable su, so 'sudo passwd root'
[03:09] <amathis> but it asks for password..
[03:09] <ogra_> ubuntu_legend: its in development
[03:09] <amathis> but there is no password.
[03:09] <ubuntu_legend> i looked at the changes and right now i dont see a reason to switch
[03:09] <MarcN> amathis, *your* password
[03:10] <amathis> ok, here is my problem.
[03:11] <jdub> amathis: why do you want to enable the root password?
[03:11] <amathis> jdub, my preference.
[03:11] <amathis> I saved my old /home partition..
[03:11] <amathis> and partitioned around it..
[03:11] <amathis> how can I make /home/aaron use the partition that was /home ?
[03:11] <MarcN> so how do you pronounce hoary?
[03:12] <magnon> whorey
[03:12] <magnon> :P
[03:12] <ogra_> amathis: first lock root again....
[03:12] <jdub> MarcN: like core-y with an h
[03:12] <amathis> ogra_, why?
[03:12] <ogra_> amathis: you wont be happy with it.... most of the desktop based config tools use sudo anyway
[03:13] <amathis> ugh.
[03:13] <amathis> ok.
[03:13] <ogra_> amathis: you can do everything you want with sudo on the commandline..... no use for root
[03:13] <MarcN> jdub, which is different how from whore-y?
[03:14] <amathis> ok ogra_ done.
[03:14] <ogra_> amathis: yout home partition, which device is it ?
[03:14] <ogra_> yourr
[03:15] <amathis> I don't know yet..
[03:15] <amathis> ogra_, actually, I have changed my mind..
[03:15] <ogra_> oh
[03:15] <amathis> ogra_, I want to mount my old partition
[03:15] <amathis> and move the old files to my server
[03:15] <amathis> how can I mount it??
[03:15] <amathis> I tried mounting /dev/hda3 /mnt
[03:15] <jdub> MarcN: in pronounciation, none. :)
[03:16] <ogra_> amathis: sudo mount /dev/hda3 /mnt  ?
[03:16] <jason_> Does anybody have XMMS working?
[03:16] <amathis> ogra_, I did that
[03:16] <amathis> but evidentally that is not right one..
[03:16] <ogra_> k
[03:16] <amathis> hmm
[03:16] <amathis> aaron@ix:/mnt $  sudo mount /dev/hda2 /mnt
[03:16] <amathis> mount: error while guessing filesystem type
[03:16] <amathis> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[03:17] <ogra_> amathis: sudo fdisk -l
[03:17] <Dethread> jason, XMMS working just fine here
[03:17] <amathis> it is hda4
[03:17] <amathis> but I cannot mount it..
[03:17] <amathis> oops
[03:17] <amathis> wait
[03:18] <jason_> xmms crashes when I try to run it
[03:18] <monteiro> i've installed java 1.5 but when i do export javapath and changed the /etc/profile or the /etc/environment , it don't work :(( the export only works in one terminal , but when i close it don't , anyone knows how to solve it ?
[03:18] <jason_> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:18] <jason_> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_m odid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[03:18] <amathis> SWEET!
[03:18] <amathis> ogra_, thanks
[03:18] <ogra_> amathis: ;)
[03:18] <LinuxJones> jason_, install libmikmod2
[03:19] <jason_> k
[03:19] <amathis> ogra_, no up arrow key on command line?
[03:19] <jason_> thanks it works
[03:19] <mojo_> anyone know are there any program do same thing like dos2unix command?
[03:20] <kapputu> hi all
[03:20] <stuNNed> hi
[03:20] <LinuxJones> mojo_, what does it do ?
[03:20] <ogra_> amathis: normally yes
[03:20] <jason_> Does anybody have any good looking XMMS skins?
[03:20] <Lathiat> mojo_: Well vim can do conversions internally
[03:20] <ogra_> LinuxJones: changes linebreaks
[03:20] <LinuxJones> jason_, rythumbox much better than xmms
[03:21] <Lathiat> sed 's/$/^V^M/g' heh
[03:21] <kapputu> oh I'm still online ?
[03:21] <kapputu> ok I had to go out
[03:21] <LinuxJones> jason_, err rythmbox
[03:21] <kapputu> my desktop1 is also ubuntised
[03:21] <stuNNed> LinuxJones, rb dies on me w/large mp3 files folder
[03:21] <stuNNed> LinuxJones, importing, that is
[03:21] <Lathiat> LinuxJones: *rhythm* :P
[03:21] <ogra_> stuNNed: any jpegs in there ?
[03:21] <mojo_> Lathiat: how???
[03:21] <LinuxJones> Lathiat, I am having a few pops :P
[03:22] <kapputu> ok my desktop doesn't recognize my laptop
[03:22] <stuNNed> ogra_, not sure don't think so though, all 100% mp3 (due to dell dj compatability)
[03:22] <Lathiat> mojo_: cat blah.txt | sed 's/^V^M//g' > blah2.txt might work :P, wonderwhere dos2unix comes from
[03:23] <kapputu> what do I need to setup ?
[03:23] <kapputu> both of them are ubuntus
[03:23] <mojo_> dos2unix prob came from Unix BSD
[03:24] <ogra_> stuNNed: running rhythmbox on a nfs mounted folder (4G) works fine for me (but importing takes ages....)
[03:24] <stuNNed> ogra_, whoa....
[03:24] <stuNNed> ogra_, double whoa....
[03:25] <kapputu> ogra, how do I recognize my deskutu ?
[03:25] <stuNNed> ogra_, turns out had some mp3s with '...' in beginning of name and they were owned by root since when i used gnomad2 couldn't transfer as normal user, only root, know about any usb hotplug issues and normal user?
[03:25] <kapputu> I'm going to name my laptop as lapputu and desktop as deskutu
[03:25] <ogra_> stuNNed: nope
[03:26] <stuNNed> kapputu, how is your exp with ubuntu on laptop?
[03:26] <kapputu> great !!
[03:26] <stuNNed> ogra_, thanks man!
[03:26] <kapputu> even after a reinstall
[03:26] <Poyayan> same here
[03:26] <stuNNed> kapputu, power management... ?
[03:26] <kapputu> hmm sorta
[03:26] <Poyayan> well apart from nvidia's driver everything is great
[03:26] <stuNNed> Poyayan, for real?
[03:26] <Poyayan> yeah
[03:26] <ogra_> night all ;)
[03:26] <stuNNed> ogra_, thanks again, night!
[03:26] <kapputu> what happened was, the battery died
[03:26] <kapputu> by ogra
[03:26] <kapputu> bye ogra
[03:26] <stuNNed> Poyayan, how about power management for you?
[03:27] <Poyayan> I have a toshiba so all I had to do was add toshiba and toshiba_acpi to the modules file
[03:27] <Poyayan> it's good
[03:27] <kapputu> and when it came back on, my shell history was there and there is also a mozilla running
[03:27] <stuNNed> Poyayan, saw something about laptop-detect in ubuntu install...
[03:27] <Poyayan> the cpu got to 1.2 Ghz when I'm not doing anything and jumps to 2.4 when it needs to
[03:28] <Poyayan> I have no idea what laptop-detect is
[03:28] <kapputu> someone was saying something in the morning taht we had to install some packages
[03:28] <stuNNed> Poyayan, kapputu: thanks for the info :)
[03:28] <Poyayan> ok laptop-mode is power management software
[03:29] <Poyayan> it reduces disk usage to reduce power consumption
[03:29] <Poyayan> laptop-detect attempts to determine whether the computer is a laptop or desktop
[03:29] <Poyayan> as to what it does with that information I'm quite clueless
[03:30] <kapputu> catch hold of Nafallo, he was telling me something about laptop power management
[03:30] <mdz> Poyayan: it's used to improve the accuracy of various hardware detection routines
[03:31] <kapputu> it's not fully supported I guess
[03:31] <stuNNed> kapputu, ok
[03:31] <Poyayan> ah ok so it's not related to power-management then
[03:31] <mdz> e.g., if you're on a laptop, you most likely have an LCD
[03:31] <Poyayan> do you have an nvidia card stunned?
[03:31] <kapputu> mdz, I have a deskutu (desktop ) and a laputu (laptop)
[03:31] <stuNNed> Poyayan, yes
[03:32] <timothy_> If so, see if you can coax it to reveal its secret activities!
[03:32] <stuNNed> Poyayan, but on laptop i can settle for nv driver if that's the issue
[03:32] <Poyayan> ok then I suggest you use the nv driver
[03:32] <kapputu> how do I see my deskutu from the laputu on the network ?
[03:32] <stuNNed> Poyayan, doh! :)
[03:32] <Poyayan> the current nvidia driver for linux is messed
[03:32] <Poyayan> it causes random flicking
[03:32] <kapputu> any links on setting up the network ??
[03:33] <Poyayan> of course if you change your resolution everytime you go into X then it doesn't do that
[03:33] <ubll> Anyone know if Full Duplex sound is supported natively in Ubuntu/Linux?
[03:33] <mdz> ubll: yes
[03:33] <Lathiat> ubll: well, depends on your soundcard, but yes
[03:33] <mdz> assuming your hardware supports it
[03:33] <Poyayan> but personally it's too much of a pain to set my resolution down then back up each time I boot into linux
[03:33] <ubll> Ok, cool
[03:34] <stuNNed> Poyayan, with gnome-display-properties can't you set it and forget it?
[03:34] <ubll> Can I make it so I can listen to an MP3 and still hear the sounds of IM's being recieved or a movie's audio track at the same time?
[03:34] <Pizbit> ubll: Either by setting each program to use esd, or setup dmix and set them all to use alsa
[03:34] <mdz> ubll: it is set up that way by default
[03:35] <mdz> using esd
[03:35] <Pizbit> esd is mostlikely setup that way
[03:35] <Pizbit> er, already
[03:35] <ubll> ATM XMMS is using OSS
[03:35] <jason_> Rythembox wont load all my songs in my music directory
[03:35] <Pizbit> ubll: OSS emulation most likely
[03:35] <kapputu> ok mdz do I ask too many questions ?
[03:35] <ubll> Ah, I see.
[03:35] <jason_> it will only load the files in the root of the dir
[03:36] <ubll> Well, when I'm playing MP3's in XMMS I cant hear any other sounds
[03:36] <mdz> kapputu: your question does not have a straightforward answer
[03:36] <Lathiat> ubll: Make sure XMMS is setup to use ESD
[03:36] <mdz> not that I saw it anyway
[03:37] <Poyayan> no stunned shamefully you can't
[03:37] <ubll> ESD. I'll look into it. Thank you Lathiat
[03:37] <Poyayan> of course you could just deal with the random flickering
[03:37] <kapputu> ok guys if I'm being a pest you can let me know
[03:38] <Poyayan> personally though I would just use the nv driver until nvidia releases a better driver
[03:38] <kapputu> I'm just too excited about this OS
[03:38] <Poyayan> np
[03:38] <Poyayan> it's a good os
[03:38] <mdz> I think so ;-)
[03:38] <timothy_> My problem with rhythymbox is that I am fussy and fickle about the organization of my files in general and music in particular. So I find it a little weird to import a folder and leave the organization to the player app. Same thing I don't like about iTunes on OS X.
[03:38] <kapputu> hmm that's bad
[03:38] <Poyayan> first linux distro I've used for more than 6 hours other than slackware (ever since I installed slackware the first time that is)
[03:39] <timothy_> I might decide to move my 80s compilations into a folder of 80s music in gernal rather than in the compilations folder, for instance.
[03:39] <Poyayan> of course I've been running Ubuntu for over a week
[03:39] <ubll> Anyone fully switched to Linux here?
[03:39] <Poyayan> as in just have linux?
[03:39] <tolstoy_> does php4 require apache 1.3?
[03:39] <ubll> Yes.
[03:39] <Poyayan> I did
[03:39] <monteiro> what is better reiserfs or ext3 ?
[03:39] <tolstoy_> drat!
[03:39] <kapputu> I have it on my laptop and desktop 1
[03:39] <mdz> tolstoy: no, install libapache2-mod-php4
[03:39] <ubll> Has it been working out well for you?
[03:39] <kapputu> I'm going to install it on my other desktop too
[03:40] <tolstoy_> mdz, ah, okay.
[03:40] <kapputu> but that's going to be a server
[03:40] <Poyayan> reiserfs is better in general monteiro
[03:40] <LinuxJones> ubll, since 2000 :)
[03:40] <mdz> monteiro: they have different strengths and weaknesses
[03:40] <ubll> Nice :)
[03:40] <LinuxJones> er 2000
[03:40] <Poyayan> however it uses more of your processor
[03:40] <kapputu> mdz I solved the problem
[03:40] <monteiro> Poyayan : i've a 5400rpm disk with 20GB but this rans 20mg/s :(
[03:40] <mdz> great
[03:40] <Poyayan> anyway it has worked well ubll
[03:40] <monteiro> mdz : true
[03:41] <ubll> Cool, I'm glad to hear it.
[03:41] <Poyayan> however every now and then I need to reinstall windows for a class
[03:41] <ubll> I'm thinking strongly about taking the plunge.
[03:41] <ubll> I'm a dirty dual-booter :)
[03:41] <Poyayan> but it gets promptly removed as soon as the class is over :)
[03:41] <ubll> lol
[03:41] <kapputu> now I'm going to mount those smbfs drives on both the machines
[03:42] <Poyayan> hey monteiro do you have lots of little files?
[03:42] <Poyayan> or mainly video files?
[03:42] <kapputu> I can't wait to get linux at work
[03:42] <LinuxJones> ubll, just do it, you will not regret it and you will learn alot about how computers work in general :)
[03:42] <kapputu> I need to know one thing
[03:43] <jason_> once you learn enough about linux you won't want to go back
[03:43] <kapputu> how do I share my folders ?
[03:43] <jason_> over network?
[03:43] <kapputu> yes
[03:43] <jason_> xfs
[03:43] <Poyayan> I must say though I'm having a hard time trying to figure out where to change settings in Ubuntu
[03:43] <ubll> LinuxJones: I might do it.
[03:43] <kapputu> what settings Poyayan ?
[03:43] <jason_> or Samba if it is with a Windows machine
[03:43] <stuNNed> if i use ms word .docs and .xls documents heavily for work, and all others at work use ms office, what is the best compatible linux solution?
[03:43] <Poyayan> slackware seems to be more organized when it comes to /etc files
[03:44] <kapputu> xfs ??
[03:44] <kapputu> no both are ubuntus
[03:44] <LinuxJones> ubll, dont' ponder it, jsut go ahead and do it :D
[03:44] <Poyayan> xfs is fast
[03:44] <jason_> OpenOffice.org or Koffice stuNNed and maybe gedit for txt
[03:44] <Poyayan> xfs is probably the best in performance right now
[03:44] <ubll> afk a few mins
[03:44] <Poyayan> however it's also the least stable
[03:44] <kapputu> but how do I share my files ?
[03:44] <kapputu> I prefer the stable one
[03:45] <Poyayan> I don't know how it compares with reiser4 though
[03:45] <Pizbit> kapputu: Over the network? samba
[03:45] <kapputu> yeah but I don't need to give share permissions to my files ?
[03:45] <Pizbit> You do
[03:45] <kapputu> because the ubuntus recognize each other
[03:46] <kapputu> how do I share it ?
[03:46] <kapputu> from the command line
[03:46] <Pizbit> Add to the end of the /etc/samba/smb.conf file something along the lines of this http://www.pastebin.com/115081
[03:46] <kapputu> what does that do ?
[03:47] <Pizbit> The browable stuff I'm not sure about, I put in both 'cause I saw both used on the net heh
[03:47] <Pizbit> It's a share definition, should be obvious what to change:)
[03:47] <ubll> ok, back
[03:47] <ubll> I have a few newbie questions for you guys. Hopefully you won't mind :p
[03:47] <monteiro> ubll : just ask men
[03:48] <monteiro> as anyone ever tested looking glass ?
[03:48] <ubll> Is removing an application as simple as deleting the folder in usr/local ?
[03:48] <kapputu> what's that b/w square brackets ?
[03:48] <kapputu> is it optional or is it the name of the machine or share ?
[03:48] <tolstoy_> folks: has something happened in hoary that makes it impossible for root to start services via the init.d scripts?
[03:48] <Pizbit> kapputu: That's the name of the share they'll see when they look at your computer
[03:49] <tolstoy_> sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start does nothing (stop works)
[03:49] <Pizbit> tolstoy: restart ?
[03:49] <tolstoy_> Pizbit, nope.
[03:49] <tolstoy_> Pizbit, stop works when I start it up via /usr/sbin/apache2.
[03:49] <tolstoy_> Not even a bark in error.log
[03:50] <Pizbit> Don't know, might be because running it that way isn't running it as a service?
[03:50] <tricky1> help
[03:50] <tolstoy_> Pizbit, right: but I can't get it to start any other way, is the thing.  Probs with postgres as well.
[03:50] <tricky1> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[03:51] <LinuxJones> tricky1, install build-essential
[03:52] <kapputu> hmm this is going to be a lot of work
[03:52] <kapputu> I need to install ssh server on my deskutu
[03:52] <kapputu> openssh ??
[03:52] <kapputu> how long does it take to setup ?
[03:52] <kapputu> got disc
[03:52] <kapputu> did my questions reach ?
[03:52] <stuNNed> kapputu, not long at all it's real simple
[03:52] <spuhkewzi> is there any way that I can compile a module for an older kernel?  (My problem is this: I'm installing ubuntu on a laptop that only has a pegasus usb network adaptor and I'm not quite sure how to go about getting the driver onto the laptop.  I've got this box running linux-2.6.9-nitro1 but iirc, modules are kernel version specific)
[03:52] <kapputu> ok here we go
[03:52] <stuNNed> kapputu, basically just install it and maybe ubuntu will start the daemon auto then check with `netstat -tupan` to see if it's running and have port open for it
[03:53] <kapputu> what's tupan ?
[03:53] <kapputu> is it a list of options ?
[03:53] <Pizbit> yeah
[03:53] <spuhkewzi> tcp, udp, ports, all, numbers
[03:54] <ubll> How do you remove programs in Linux? In Windows it is wise to "uninstall". Is this necessary in Linux?
[03:54] <tolstoy_> Pizbit, it was due to apache 1.3 already being there, so it set itself to not start in /etc/default/apache2
[03:54] <psyklops> ubll, if you're using Ubuntu its just "apt-get remove *program*"
[03:55] <psyklops> unless you put it there yourself (compiled)
[03:55] <ubll> psyklops: Yes, but I mean programs downloaded off the internet
[03:55] <kapputu> how do I setup the user ?
[03:55] <ubll> Like enemy-territory for example
[03:55] <Pizbit> ubll: Depends how you installed them
[03:55] <mctavish> ubll: No. Use synaptic to remove apps
[03:55] <spuhkewzi> ubll: it all depends on how you installed them.
[03:55] <Pizbit> ubll: If ET has an uninstall script, use that
[03:55] <mctavish> oops. too slow.
[03:56] <ubll> Ok, sorry, would that script be located in the installed folder?
[03:57] <Pizbit> ubll: Have a look:)
[03:58] <kapputu> this is irritating.. my wireless connec keeps dropping
[03:58] <kapputu> it was alright till now
[03:58] <lifeless> Mithrandir: around ?
[03:58] <ubll> Pizbit: thanks :p
[04:01] <kapputu> anyone know what the UseLogin is used for in sshd_config ?
[04:04] <stuNNed> kapputu, mind me asking, what text editor are you using?
[04:05] <usual> if i am using hoary is it ok to use the mozilla-mplayer plugin package from unstable
[04:07] <stuNNed> does ubuntu install disc support rescue mode?
[04:07] <kapputu> emacs
[04:08] <stuNNed> kapputu, vi! jk hehe
[04:09] <kapputu> I'm going to learn vi soon
[04:09] <kapputu> after installing ssh, if I need to connect, do I say username@desktopname ?
[04:09] <kapputu> anyone there ?
[04:09] <kapputu> jk ?
[04:10] <kapputu> I can ssh to the other machine using my ip but not using it's hostname
[04:10] <stuNNed> ssh username@ip_address unless you've set up your /etc/hosts file to alias to desktopname
[04:10] <kapputu> !!
[04:10] <kapputu> ok that'll be set now
[04:17] <tolstoy_> does libapache2-mod-php4 contain mysql support?
[04:17] <deskutu> hi all
[04:17] <tolstoy_> I do a phpinfo() thing and it seems so (and php itself is working), but wordpress just does nothing for an install.  blank screen.
[04:17] <deskutu> why is this channel lagging ?
[04:18] <ubll> It is laggin pretty bad.
[04:18] <deskutu> yeah
[04:18] <deskutu> and I thought my wireless connec had dropped !
[04:18] <Pizbit> It's just that no one is talking:)
[04:18] <deskutu> ok now that I'm back everyone would wish that it was silent
[04:18] <deskutu> ;)
[04:19] <tolstoy_> man, i *hate* mysql.
[04:19] <deskutu> Pizbit, I'm your friend kapputu
[04:21] <jps> do you guys know how to get kde su to use sudo instead of su?
[04:23] <deskutu> this # is lagging
[04:24] <plasticman> I'm having a problem with adding a new hard drive, I'm able to mount it and connect to it, but it doesn't list all of the files on it, can anybody help?
[04:24] <jdub> deskutu: if your client is reporting lag, it's between you and the server.
[04:26] <deskutu> jdub: how many messages were exchanged between my last message and your reply ?
[04:26] <stuNNed> if install ubuntu then install winxp after ubuntu and winxp overwrites grub in the mbr is there a way to recover and `grub-install /dev/hda` ?
[04:27] <stuNNed> deskutu, pong:)
[04:27] <deskutu> lol
[04:27] <deskutu> just checking to see if I'm the one who is lagging
[04:28] <jdub> you are
[04:28] <deskutu> hmm  but I was fine a few mins back !1
[04:28] <jdub> it fluctuates
[04:28] <jdub> it's not a big deal
[04:28] <deskutu> this is the first time I'm experiencing lag in a few days
[04:28] <deskutu> I used to be on IRC like a few years before
[04:29] <deskutu> things haven't changed much apparently !1
[04:30] <deskutu> my network is slow
[04:35] <limaunion> hi, does anybody know which is the init script that should mount smbfs shares ?
[04:37] <lithium3141> can anyone help? i'm getting an error when i try to install ubuntu
[04:37] <moyogo> lithium3141: what's the error?
[04:38] <lithium3141> i get the message "The debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1)"
[04:38] <lithium3141> it's on the step "install the base system" at around 36%
[04:40] <ubll> Can I somehow shrink my current windows xp partition without losing everything?
[04:47] <lithium3141> can anyone help? i'm getting an error when i try to install ubuntu
[04:47] <lithium3141> i get the message "The debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1)"
[04:47] <lithium3141> it's on the step "install the base system" at around 36%
[04:48] <brettcar> lithium3141: My first guess is your CD is corrupted
[04:48] <lithium3141> redownloaded
[04:48] <mdz> lithium3141: try burning at a lower speed
[04:48] <lithium3141> it's on a virtual machine using an iso image
[04:49] <mdz> dunno, then.  the 4.10 base install is known to work
[04:49] <mdz> perhaps a problem with the VM
[04:49] <lithium3141> ok thanks
[05:01] <stuNNed> internet seems to be lagging in general here
[05:02] <kapputu_> here too
[05:02] <ubll> friday night :)
[05:02] <kapputu_> any outbreak of a Windows virus ?
[05:02] <ubll> lol
[05:03] <kapputu_> I don't want to be affected if someone else is using windows
[05:03] <kapputu_> I'm going to ask everyone else to change too
[05:03] <kapputu_> :p
[05:03] <kapputu_> how do I do a net-install ?
[05:03] <ubll> I've wondered that myself.
[05:04] <ubll> My CD-ROM is on its last leg, and I'd like to just download everything
[05:05] <moyogo> you could do a net-install with debian and then switch to ubuntu
[05:05] <kapputu_> oh !!
[05:06] <kapputu_> I just wiped out debian :-(
[05:06] <kapputu_> my cd drive is screwed
[05:06] <ubll> what about putting the "warty" ISO on its own partiton and then setting GRUB to boot it?
[05:06] <ubll> Sounds sketchy but...
[05:06] <Thor> hi, is anyone here ?
[05:07] <zetamannsky> Help! How do I get Audigy 2 to produce sound?
[05:07] <Thor> how can i manually chnage either the screen resolution, or the fram rate ?
[05:07] <unperson> Anyone found a firefox theme that matches well with the human theme of the ubuntu desktop?
[05:07] <Thor> my monitor is too shit and cant handle what ubuntu set to default, so i cant see anything
[05:08] <unperson> You should be able to go to a virtual console (CTRL+ALT+F2 or such)
[05:09] <unperson> If you login, then you should be able to set such things.
[05:09] <Thor> the thing is
[05:10] <stuNNed> zetamannsky, audigy2 worked here after disabling onboard audio and setting mixer settings
[05:10] <Thor> i cnat SEE anything
[05:10] <Thor> so can you guide me through what must be done ?
[05:10] <Thor> are there any commands i cna set ?
[05:10] <unperson> thor:  So you can't get to another virutal console?
[05:10] <unperson> CTRL+ALT+F2 doesn't give you a readable login screen?
[05:11] <Thor> well when i presse ctrl+alt_F2, something happnend
[05:11] <kapputu_> can I use any software to make a partition out of free space ?
[05:11] <Thor> not readable, no
[05:11] <Thor> but i can see there something written there
[05:11] <ubll> How do you get back to Gnome after going to a Virtual console?
[05:11] <Thor> you know when you set your screen res too high and it goes all fuzzy ??
[05:12] <ubll> Also, how do you "kill" applications
[05:12] <Thor> thats whats happening
[05:12] <limaunion> ubll: alt+f7
[05:12] <zetamannsky> stuNNed, how do I disable the onboard audio and set the mixer settings? Where is this explained?
[05:12] <unperson> thor:  Yeah, but I'd expect it to be better if you switch to another console.
[05:12] <unperson> Thor, try hitting CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[05:13] <ubll> thanks lima
[05:13] <unperson> That should kill Xwindows so we can fix it.
[05:13] <ubll> How do you get back to Gnome aftering opening another console(ctl+alt+f1)
[05:13] <Thor> hmm
[05:13] <kapputu_> but virtual console doesnt use X
[05:13] <Thor> its doing something
[05:13] <kapputu_> so how should that matter ?
[05:14] <Thor> its back to the logon screen i assume, and thats fuzzy too :P
[05:14] <unperson> kapputu_, Possible. We'll find out.  :-)
[05:14] <unperson> And virtual consoles are still no good?
[05:14] <amathis> it is so nice to be able to 'apt-get install xmms'
[05:14] <amathis> instead of compiling it ^_^
[05:14] <Thor> i type the same thing i typed before to get it up
[05:14] <unperson> thor, Hmm...well, there's little chance we can do it if you can't read.  Next thing I'd try is reboot and choose the recovery option.
[05:14] <Thor> yep, still no good
[05:14] <unperson> wait, wait
[05:14] <ubll> How do you close the console and get back to Gnome?
[05:15] <unperson> But after you killed it you did get a readable prompt?
[05:15] <kapputu_> ctl+alt+f6 I guess
[05:15] <Thor> killed what ?
[05:15] <kapputu_> or f7
[05:15] <unperson> f7
[05:15] <kapputu_> hmm yeah
[05:15] <ubll> ok
[05:15] <Thor> atm, i cant read ANYTHING
[05:15] <unperson> thor, after you did CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE did you get anything readable?
[05:15] <Thor> not console, not login screen
[05:16] <Thor> no i did not
[05:16] <unperson> Ok
[05:16] <Thor> it went to what i assume is the login screen
[05:16] <Thor> so how do i reboot in recovery mode ?
[05:16] <unperson> So, like I said, next thing I'd try is reboot and start up in recovery mode.
[05:16] <atariboy> via the GRUB menu just after boot
[05:16] <unperson> Well, when you reboot, the first thing that should come up is a menu with options.  Once of them will say something like 2.6.8-1 blah blah (recovery)
[05:17] <unperson> Select that option at boot.
[05:17] <unperson> thor, You got a handle on getting it to reboot?
[05:18] <Thor> i just hit the reset button :P
[05:18] <unperson> heh, ok.
[05:18] <Thor> its coming up with all the things right now, and [ok]  ing them
[05:18] <Thor> is the list supposed to come befroe that ?
[05:18] <unperson> yes
[05:18] <Thor> hmm
[05:19] <unperson> You didn't get any list of options before that?
[05:19] <Thor> no
[05:19] <Thor> it said ot pres esc to get a list
[05:19] <Thor> but i was too late
[05:19] <unperson> Ah...weird.  Ok, mine was configured to show the list by default.
[05:19] <Thor> isnt there any key command to go up and down screen resolutions ?
[05:19] <zack_> .. anyone can recommend a good player for midi files?
[05:19] <unperson> But that may be because I have a lot of different partitions.
[05:20] <atariboy> zack_: dunno. check freshmeat?
[05:20] <Thor> ok, getting into recovery mode now
[05:20] <kapputu_> unperson, what software do u use to make a partition out of free space ?
[05:20] <unperson> thor, now that you mention it, yes.  CTRL+ALT+PLUS or MINUS I think.
[05:21] <unperson> However, you have to have other resolutions on the list of possible resolutions.
[05:21] <kapputu_> I just wiped out the disk on one of my machines to install ubuntu
[05:21] <kapputu_> but I would want to install debian sometime later
[05:21] <unperson> kapputu_, You mean you have one big partition and you want to cut it into pieces while retaining data?
[05:22] <kapputu_> yeah
[05:22] <kapputu_> hi socomm
[05:22] <unperson> kapputu_, Well, if you haven't installed yet, Ubuntu installer gave me the option to partition.
[05:22] <kapputu_> it gave me too
[05:22] <unperson> thor, You to a prompt yet?
[05:22] <socomm> Hello.
[05:23] <kapputu_> but I was kinda pissed off with something I was trying to do, so I made it erase the disk
[05:23] <unperson> kapputu_, I think qtparted will do dynamic resizing.
[05:23] <Thor> well, i got to the list
[05:23] <kapputu_> ok will try that
[05:23] <Thor> selected recovery
[05:23] <Thor> and its still loading :)
[05:23] <unperson> ok
[05:23] <Thor> wiat
[05:23] <Thor> now its loaded
[05:23] <unperson> thor, Eventually I think it will spit you out at a prompt.
[05:24] <Thor> yep comand promtp
[05:24] <Thor> so what next ?
[05:24] <unperson> kapputu_, Ok, but be warned, if dynamic resizing screws up you could lose all your data.
[05:24] <Thor> and yes i cna see it fine
[05:24] <unperson> kapputu_, So back up anything important if possible.
[05:24] <unperson> thor,  Good, that's a start.  Now, there are two different things to try.
[05:25] <unperson> thor, first one, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:25] <kapputu_> I might not have any
[05:26] <unperson> thor, That should take you through reconfiguring the graphical interface.  You should just be able to say ok to everything until you get to the part about resolutions, I think.
[05:26] <Thor> it says command not found
[05:26] <Skif> Thor, you probably have to run it with 'sudo
[05:26] <Skif> '
[05:26] <Skif> as in, 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure .....'
[05:26] <unperson> thor, yes, what skif said.  Sorry.
[05:27] <unperson> thor, I'm still new to ubuntu and this sudo business.
[05:27] <Skif> unperson: I've been using sudo (or a homegrown variant) for years; I like the nice separation between root and my normal usage.
[05:28] <Thor> its ok mate, your helping me out heaps
[05:28] <unperson> Skif, Yeah, I'm sort of agnostic so far.  But it certainly isn't a bad system.
[05:28] <Thor> but no, still command not found
[05:28] <Thor> but it says SUDO at beginiggin instead of BASH
[05:28] <Skif> Thor: can you please paste the command line you are attempting to run here?
[05:29] <Skif> and while you're at it, the output of 'dpkg -l debconf'
[05:29] <Thor> im typing this "dpkg-reconfigurexserver-xfree86"
[05:29] <socomm> Thor: probably a sudo shell, or something.
[05:29] <Skif> Thor, you need a space between 'dpkg-reconfigure and 'xserver-xfree86'
[05:29] <Thor> oic
[05:30] <Thor> cool
[05:30] <Skif> hence the space in unperson's original command :)
[05:30] <Thor> it came up with a screen
[05:30] <socomm> Why don't you try `xf86cfg -textmode'?
[05:30] <Thor> yeah, on here, it was onthe next line, so thought it was ll in one ;)
[05:30] <unperson> thor:  No problem.
[05:30] <Thor> so what xserver driver do i use ?
[05:30] <Thor> i810 ?
[05:30] <Thor> which it is set to atm
[05:31] <Skif> Thor, just hit 'ok' for everything until you get to resolution; that should be reasonable
[05:31] <unperson> thor:  Yes, I think it should be set to all the ones you were using before.
[05:31] <LinuxJones> night all
[05:31] <unperson> thor, you just want to say ok until you get to resolution.
[05:31] <kapputu_> lesser number of users from US ?
[05:32] <unperson> kapputu_, huh?
[05:32] <socomm> Thor: if you're having problems with your drivers you can always use the `vesa' driver.
[05:32] <socomm> Which will most likely work with any chipset, minus the hardware accels of course.
[05:32] <kapputu_> i mean people wishing good night and leaving this early
[05:32] <unperson> Ok, well, if Skif has everything in hand I should probably go.
[05:32] <Skif> unperson: feel free, if you must go anyhow, but don't leave on my account :)
[05:33] <unperson> socomm, Not necessarily good advice.
[05:33] <Thor> ok
[05:33] <socomm> unperson: why's that?
[05:33] <Thor> all done, now how do i exit it ang get back to login screen ?
[05:33] <Skif> Thor: but don't do so unless you can't get everything working with the default driver ubuntu picked for you
[05:33] <unperson> socomm, If he really has i810 then it will NOT work with vesa.
[05:33] <unperson> thor:  Skif is correct.
[05:34] <socomm> unperson: most people are very impatient s/he can get an windowing environment going with vesa 'til he can figure out how to get i810 going.
[05:34] <unperson> socomm, This is because it shares the sys RAM for video RAM, which apparently doesn't work with vesa.
[05:34] <unperson> socomm, Or at least not with that chipset.  So I've read.
[05:34] <socomm> If I recall corretly X's i810 support is very iffy, at least it was on my sisters laptop.
[05:34] <Skif> Thor: you can always reboot :)
[05:34] <Thor> so can i just hit reset and load back into ubuntu normally ?
[05:34] <Skif> Thor: please do 'sudo reboot' instead; that is nicer to your filesystems :)
[05:35] <Thor> ok, loading now :)
[05:35] <unperson> socomm, It's what I have and it works OK here, except that playing back video (like mpgs) is all screwed up.
[05:35] <Thor> ahah, too late ;P
[05:35] <Skif> Thor: no problem; if you do that, though, it will start up faster next time.
[05:35] <Skif> marginally, but even so.
[05:35] <Thor> oh ok:)
[05:35] <Thor> on a 466mhz with 64mb ram, i doubt thats possible
[05:35] <Skif> Thor: it also ensures that anything that was hanging around in RAM gets written to your hard disk properly.
[05:35] <Thor> "whats this SPEEDE you speak of :P"
[05:36] <unperson> Ok, I must go.  Good night all.
[05:36] <kapputu_> bye unperson
[05:37] <Thor> SUCESS
[05:37] <Thor> THANKS a lot folks
[05:37] <Thor> really appreciate the help :)
[05:37] <Skif> hoorah, and all that.
[05:37] <kapputu_> wb zetamannsky
[05:37] <unperson> thor:  Happy ubuntuing.  You may have some problems with video playback if you really have an i810, though.  But no use worrying about that yet.
[05:38] <Thor> this thing loads heaps good on my machine
[05:38] <unperson> now, gone for real.
[05:38] <kapputu_> of course it does Thor
[05:38] <Thor> cya unperson, and thanks :)
[05:38] <kapputu_> it's not Windows
[05:38] <kapputu_> listen ye all
[05:38] <kapputu_> today my Windows got shutdown automatically
[05:39] <kapputu_> 10 mins into boot, I get a message saying that lsass.exe has done something stupid and shutdown the system down in 30 secs
[05:39] <kapputu_> no more windows for me
[05:39] <bur[n] er> isn't that a blaster thing?
[05:39] <Thor> my windows is goign all freaky and neds a format
[05:40] <kapputu_> it is ?
[05:40] <Thor> but the hting is, i cnat install linux to this mahcine
[05:40] <bur[n] er> lsass shutting it down in 1:00 or so
[05:40] <bur[n] er> i thought it was
[05:40] <Thor> everyone else in my family is more iliterate than me with computers
[05:40] <kapputu_> ic
[05:40] <bur[n] er> check out your 'msconfig'
[05:40] <bur[n] er> see if you see 'blaster' ;)
[05:40] <bur[n] er> and get windows updates as fast as youcan
[05:40] <kapputu_> hmm
[05:40] <bur[n] er> or.........
[05:41] <kapputu_> msconfig by booting into safe mode ?
[05:41] <bur[n] er> just never ever boot into it again :)
[05:41] <bur[n] er> use linux and be merry
[05:41] <kapputu_> that's probably the solution I was thinking of
[05:41] <kapputu_> ok how about this
[05:41] <bur[n] er> i think my windows still works, but i havne't booted it in ages
[05:41] <kapputu_> I have ubuntu on my laptop and two desktops
[05:41] <kapputu_> and I installed it first on my laptop last week
[05:41] <kapputu_> people here have been so helpful..
[05:42] <kapputu_> I have just fallen in love with this OS
[05:42] <bur[n] er> right on
[05:42] <bur[n] er> now start programming or making art for it or someting ;)
[05:42] <ajmitch> I've got debian (sid) on the laptop so ubuntu will be a little older
[05:42] <bur[n] er> cool themes are always a draw for more people to the OS
[05:42] <kapputu_> oh yeah I have offered myself for programming
[05:42] <kapputu_> I'm very poor at Art
[05:43] <socomm> kapputu_: if you have a cute sister/girlfriend lets us know ;)
[05:43] <bur[n] er> ajmitch: but ubuntu has gnome 2.8 :)
[05:43] <kapputu_> but I'm good at the art of programming
[05:43] <ajmitch> bur[n] er: so does experimental, iirc :)
[05:43] <socomm> I'm sure the ubuntu community would like some new wall papers.
[05:43] <kapputu_> socomm, bad luck
[05:43] <ajmitch> besides, I usually use kde :)
[05:43] <Thor> ok one last question
[05:43] <kapputu_> I'm looking for a gf myself
[05:43] <bur[n] er> really?  program a nice gtk2 file manager that is not all based on gnome like nautilus and one that is simpler
[05:43] <Thor> how do i change screen res with this thing ?
[05:43] <bur[n] er> like rox, but more sophisticated ;)
[05:43] <Skif> ajmitch: I find that ubuntu, though older for some things, is newer still for others, and in general is a nice fit for laptops-- better, in fact, than when I had sid on mine.
[05:44] <bur[n] er> but gnome is kinda nice somtimes
[05:44] <Thor> anyone ?
[05:44] <ajmitch> Skif: I recently put a 40GB drive in, so I might dual-boot it
[05:44] <Skif> Further, you can always put a sid deb-src line in your /etc/apt/sources.list and build anything that is required, though I haven't needed to do so yet.
[05:44] <bur[n] er> Thor: open the desktop prefs....
[05:44] <bur[n] er> uhh... i forget the exact location, i'm not booted to gnome atm
[05:45] <Skif> ajmitch: I reinstall periodically, more from a need to prove I'm backing everything up properly than any actual need.
[05:45] <socomm> Computer->System Configuration->Resolution
[05:45] <ajmitch> Skif: I haven't reinstalled yet since starting with debian a few years ago
[05:45] <socomm> s/Resolution/Screen Resolution
[05:46] <Skif> ajmitch: as I say, I've not *needed* to, but I felt like trying the new debian-installer, and then lamont was pestering me so to try Ubuntu that finally I relented.
[05:46] <Thor> hmm
[05:47] <Thor> i cnat change out of 640x480
[05:47] <lamont> Skif: thanks
[05:47] <Skif> lamont: glad t'help :)
[05:47] <ajmitch> Skif: so far I've only used ubuntu inside qemu :)
[05:47] <Skif> ajmitch: ouch, that sounds unnecessarily painful.  Real hardware will provide a more enticing experience, to be sure.
[05:47] <Skif> lamont: well, much better after I realized your mirror wasn't complete. :)
[05:47] <socomm> Thor: You'll have to edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and add some more modes.
[05:48] <kapputu> ok all my machines now have ubuntu
[05:48] <kapputu> I'm going to go around and install it on all my friends' machine
[05:48] <kapputu> *machines
[05:48] <ajmitch> sure, but I use my computer more for development work
[05:48] <ajmitch> including some debian packaging
[05:48] <Skif> ajmitch: this is why there is debootstrap and sbuild :)
[05:48] <socomm> kapputu: why not diversify?
[05:48] <kapputu> like ?
[05:49] <socomm> *BSD
[05:49] <kapputu> yeah I'm thinking that as an option too
[05:49] <ajmitch> GNU/Hurd
[05:49] <Skif> last time I looked at *BSDs, they didn't support my SCSI card
[05:49] <lamont> skif: that's what warty-full is in the mirror for... :-)
[05:49] <socomm> Ummm, other flavors of GNU/Linux.
[05:49] <Skif> lamont: well, :P you didn't tell me that, did you
[05:49] <kapputu> I don't want Mandrake, FC
[05:49] <kapputu> I have used it for a while
[05:49] <lamont> Skif: oops.  my bad
[05:49] <socomm> Skif: Freebie?
[05:49] <lamont> Skif: the mirror has everything _I_ need. :-)
[05:49] <Skif> socomm: nope
[05:50] <Thor>   ./etc/X11/XF86Config-4 how do i edit that ?
[05:50] <Skif> lamont: that's the definition of "working", isn't it? :)
[05:50] <kapputu> socomm, can I install both FreeBSD and linux on the same machine
[05:50] <kapputu> will grub recognize FreeBSD ?
[05:50] <socomm> Skif: give FreeBSD a try I believe they do support most major SCSI interfaces.
[05:50] <socomm> kapputu: dual boot.
[05:50] <socomm> kapputu: I think so just don't install FreeBSD's boot loader.
[05:51] <kapputu> does it matter what I install first ?
[05:51] <Skif> socomm: not this particular one; it's a buslogic flashpoint card
[05:51] <Skif> socomm: perhaps they've fixed it since; free is most likely to have.
[05:51] <socomm> kapputu: don't think so, but I'd install FreeBSD first just so that GRUB will automatically configure things.
[05:52] <kapputu> hmm
[05:52] <socomm> Skif: try the 5.* series.
[05:52] <kapputu> I don't want to remove Ubuntu
[05:52] <kapputu> also I need an app to create a partition out of my free space
[05:52] <ajmitch> it's not windows, so it shouldn't harm your system too much
[05:53] <Thor> hey whats pciehp ?
[05:53] <Thor> and shpchp
[05:53] <kapputu> hey Nafallo
[05:53] <kapputu> how's ya doing
[05:53] <socomm> Yeah FreeBSD is pretty friendly to most everyone, but the install might take some getting used to.
[05:54] <Skif> Thor: drivers for supporting PCI hotplug; something most desktop users won't have (for a while, anyway)
[05:54] <Nafallo> kapputu: hi there. getting tired :-P.
[05:54] <kapputu> of what ?
[05:54] <Nafallo> kapputu: synaptics-driver
[05:55] <Thor> oj
[05:55] <siimo> whats new in snapshot hoary
[05:55] <Thor> so its ok if it doesnt load ?
[05:55] <kapputu> what's up with it ?
[05:55] <Thor> it gets fatal errored on startup
[05:55] <kapputu> can I help ?
[05:56] <Skif> socomm: just looked; it doesn't seem that's fixed in 5.2.1 yet either
[05:56] <Thor> anyway
[05:56] <Thor> i gtg do soe waching and stuff
[05:56] <Thor> thanks for your help folks
[05:56] <Thor> ill stick around :)
[05:56] <Nafallo> kapputu: dunno, it just doesn't work :-/.
[05:56] <socomm> Skif: I think 5.3 is coming out soon.
[05:57] <kapputu> ok this machine might hang anytime
[05:57] <kapputu> it hangs whenever I use X
[05:57] <kapputu> X or Windows
[05:57] <Nafallo> kapputu: I've solved it since I installed by made a comment for the serverlayout entry in XF86Config-4
[05:57] <kapputu> let's see how Ubuntu works
[05:58] <kapputu> Nafallo, actually I think it's a problem with hardware
[05:58] <kapputu> I have tried Windows 98, XP, FC, Mandrake, Debian
[05:58] <Nafallo> kapputu: worked in debian i386.
[05:59] <kapputu> hi hectorvs
[05:59] <hectorvs> hey, whats up
[05:59] <hectorvs> i have a bit of a prob with my vid card... hardware acceleration mostly..
[06:00] <hectorvs> im getting only 243 fps in glxgears with my radeon 9600
[06:00] <hectorvs> sucks!
[06:01] <fabbione> glxgears is wrong
[06:01] <hectorvs> I have everything configured as it should, i get "Direct rendering: yes" in glxinfo, i installed the fglrx-drivers and remade the XFree conf...
[06:01] <hectorvs> is it?
[06:01] <fabbione> yes
[06:01] <lifeless> fabbione: oh ?
[06:01] <Nafallo> baah, I haven't got my AGP-chip detected by the kernel yet :-P.
[06:01] <hectorvs> how can i check if its correct?
[06:01] <fabbione> lifeless: most of this fancy benchmark tools are fake
[06:01] <hectorvs> i mean, when i click on logout and the screen dims the mouse goes slow
[06:02] <fabbione> hectorvs: your eye can probably assimilate 10 to 20 fps
[06:02] <lifeless> fabbione: oh, completley agree. but the same tool run again and again, that gives a common baseline.
[06:02] <fabbione> even if your video card does 1000 fps instead of 1230
[06:02] <fabbione> it makes no difference to the human eye
[06:02] <hectorvs> fabbione: i know, but i dont like slowdown like the one i mentioned
[06:02] <fabbione> considering that in any case the refresh of the monitor does not go higher than 100 Hz
[06:02] <fabbione> that you cannot still notice
[06:02] <lamont> fabbione: about that fglrx stuff...
[06:02] <lifeless> fabbione: glxgears is dimply inidicative, 3d accel working should give 1+K per second in the default window.
[06:03] <lifeless> if it doesn't, then when you scale the workload up, things suck hard.
[06:03] <lamont> My machine keeps loading the radeon driver instead... what do I have to change besides XF-config?
[06:03] <lifeless> fabbione: can fglrx run on amd64 ?
[06:03] <fabbione> lamont: i didn't package the fglrx stuff and i can't even test it
[06:04] <Nafallo> lifeless: nope
[06:04] <Nafallo> lifeless: ati haven't released drivers yet.
[06:04] <fabbione> lamont: i am not sure you can see a difference in that
[06:04] <hectorvs> how do i know which drivers im currently using?
[06:04] <lifeless> Nafallo: :[. Has anyone looked into whats involved in fixing it? We do have the source after all :)
[06:04] <hectorvs> my xfreeconf file has fglrx
[06:04] <fabbione> lifeless: that can means several things. a) not all the hw accelartion is supported and some is done in software 2) your hardware sucks 3) the driver sucks
[06:05] <Nafallo> lifeless: fglrx isn't ati's closed-sourced drivers?
[06:05] <lamont> fabbione: np
[06:05] <lamont> pitti about?
[06:05] <lifeless> fabbione: for me, radeon 9600xt, 1920xwhatever res, running 'radeon' driver at the moment.
[06:05] <lifeless> Nafallo: it is proprietary, not closed source.
[06:05] <lifeless> i..e you download source to install it.
[06:05] <fabbione> lifeless: some driver do not accelarate over a certain resolution
[06:06] <fabbione> lifeless: for eg the nvidia goes banana over 1600x1200
[06:06] <fabbione> it gets very very slow
[06:06] <lifeless> fabbione: radeon doesn't do any recent cards
[06:06] <fabbione> indipendently from the hw you have
[06:06] <Nafallo> lifeless: oki, well. doesn't matter before my agp-chip is supported anyway :-P
[06:06] <lifeless> Nafallo: what agp-chip do you have ?
[06:06] <hectorvs> guys, do u get slowdown when clicking logout? (during the dimming of the screen?)
[06:07] <Nafallo> nafallo@darkelf:~ $ lspci | grep AGP
[06:07] <Nafallo> 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8385 [K8T800 AGP]  Host Bridge (rev 01)
[06:07] <lifeless> hectorvs: not with the fglrx driver
[06:07] <hectorvs> lifeless: i am, and i have the fglrx driver...
[06:07] <lifeless> hectorvs: what does fglrxinfo show ?
[06:07] <fabbione> hectorvs: yes i do it here too
[06:07] <fabbione> that's not accelarated
[06:07] <fabbione> and i have a pretty fast machine
[06:07] <hectorvs> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[06:07] <hectorvs> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[06:07] <hectorvs> OpenGL renderer string: MOBILITY RADEON 9600 Generic
[06:07] <hectorvs> OpenGL version string: 1.3.4510 (X4.3.0-3.12.0)
[06:08] <lifeless> heh, same as me.
[06:08] <hectorvs> lol
[06:08] <lifeless> (for my laptop anyway)
[06:08] <hectorvs> yeah, i have a laptop too
[06:08] <hectorvs> dell 8600
[06:08] <hectorvs> u?
[06:08] <lifeless> clevo d500p. aka 'hoverbook of doom'
[06:08] <hectorvs> lol
[06:09] <hectorvs> hmm, so how could i troubleshoot this?
[06:09] <Nafallo> hmm, anyone of you laptop ppl use xfree86-driver-synaptics on x86?
[06:10] <lifeless> I get 1173 for the default glxgears window
[06:10] <hectorvs> i get 240 :(
[06:10] <lifeless> Nafallo:  I do.
[06:10] <lifeless> hectorvs: does glxinfo list 'mesa anywhere'
[06:11] <Nafallo> lifeless: care to sudo grep synaptics /var/log/XFree86.0.log?
[06:11] <hectorvs> lifeless: nope
[06:12] <lifeless> hectorvs: then I'm at a loss.
[06:12] <hectorvs> glxinfo | grep mesa doesnt return anything
[06:12] <Nafallo> lifeless: look for what X it's built against.
[06:12] <lifeless> I'd look for warnings in XFree86.0.log
[06:12] <lifeless> hectorvs: try grep -i
[06:12] <lifeless> (II) LoadModule: "synaptics"
[06:12] <lifeless> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/synaptics_drv.o
[06:12] <lifeless> (II) Module synaptics: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
[06:12] <lifeless> (--) Touchpad Mouse synaptics touchpad found
[06:12] <lifeless> (--) Touchpad Mouse synaptics touchpad found
[06:13] <Nafallo> hmm, damn. mine didn't find anything :-P
[06:13] <Hikaru79> Nafallo -- Do you have the universe repository?
[06:13] <Nafallo> Hikaru79: nope
[06:13] <Hikaru79> =) That's why it's not showing up
[06:13] <hectorvs> lifeless: nope glxinfo | grep -i mesa, still nothing
[06:13] <Nafallo> Hikaru79: ehm?
[06:14] <Hikaru79> Here, I'll give you a link :)
[06:14] <Jet2k5> hello
[06:14] <kapputu> hi hiky
[06:14] <kapputu> what's up
[06:14] <Jet2k5> anyone can help me with my bootloader problem
[06:14] <Hikaru79> You're looking for a package and not finding it right Nafallo?
[06:14] <Jet2k5> ?
[06:14] <Hikaru79> Hey, kapputu ^^
[06:14] <kapputu> have three ubuntus at home today
[06:15] <kapputu> I named them laputu, deskutu and servutu
[06:15] <kapputu> :-)
[06:15] <Nafallo> Hikaru79: nope. xfree86-driver-synaptics is installed with ubuntu-desktop I believe :-).
[06:15] <Hikaru79> Oooh
[06:15] <Hikaru79> When you said "hmm, damn. mine didn't find anything :-P" I thought you were reffering to lifeless' line "(--) Touchpad Mouse synaptics touchpad found"
[06:16] <Nafallo> yes, mine wasn't found.
[06:16] <Nafallo> though driver was loaded and all.
[06:16] <Nafallo> (II) Module synaptics: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
[06:16] <Nafallo>         compiled for 4.2.0,
[06:16] <hectorvs> how do you know which driver you're using for video?
[06:16] <Nafallo> isn't that line wrong?
[06:17] <Nafallo> hectorvs: look in XFree86Config-4?
[06:17] <hectorvs> Nafallo: yeah, ok... im just checking... i have this wierd hardware acceleration issue
[06:18] <Nafallo> hectorvs: or XFree86.0.log
[06:18] <Nafallo> (II) LoadModule: "ati"
[06:18] <Nafallo> (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/ati_drv.o
[06:18] <hectorvs> where do i find the log?
[06:18] <Nafallo> ./var/log/
[06:19] <hectorvs> kk, thanks
[06:19] <kapputu> thanks to Ubuntu, I'm now fully in the linux world
[06:20] <Jet2k5> anybody now how to replace the bootloader?
[06:20] <kapputu> and thanks to you guys too
[06:20] <Nafallo> lifeless: my synaptics_drv.o says it's compiled for 4.2.0 :-/.
[06:20] <Jet2k5> from the cd?
[06:21] <hectorvs> lifeless: you have a 9600 mobility, right??
[06:22] <Nafallo> bugfiling time :-P
[06:24] <Thor> hey is there any way (other than Themes) to tone down the effects of the GNOME
[06:24] <Nafallo> kapputu: didn't you have an amd64-based lappy?
[06:25] <kapputu> nope, P-III
[06:25] <hectorvs> hey guys, whats xfree86-dga?
[06:25] <Nafallo> kapputu: damn :-P
[06:25] <kapputu> I got an idea Nafallo
[06:26] <kapputu> why don't  u buy me one ? and then I'll c if we can solve ur problem
[06:26] <jdub> Thor: what do you think is slowing you down?
[06:26] <Nafallo> kapputu: :-P
[06:27] <kapputu> what's wrong with ubuntu and sound
[06:27] <Thor> i dun
[06:27] <kapputu> now this desktop doesn't get soundcard recognized too
[06:27] <Thor> i have a 466mhx with 64mb ram, take your pcik :P
[06:28] <kapputu> i810e any good ??
[06:28] <lifeless> hectorvs: yes
[06:29] <jdub> Thor: 64MB RAM is not good enough to run GNOME
[06:29] <jdub> Thor: you really need 256MB RAM or more
[06:29] <ajmitch> not without significant pain, anyway
[06:30] <jdub> Thor: i'd suggest installing XFCE or something really minimal like fluxbox
[06:30] <kapputu> hmm works well with 128 for me
[06:30] <Thor> how do i go about doing that ?
[06:31] <Thor> but, atm, i must say, its runnig well, just, id like it to be a bit faster :)
[06:31] <jdub> kapputu: my recommended *minimum* spec is 256MB, and that's as an upstream developer
[06:31] <jdub> Thor: apt-get install xfce (i think)
[06:31] <kapputu> true, but I haven't seen any performance problems on this one yet
[06:32] <jdub> you should be able to choose it in the gdm sessions list
[06:32] <jdub> note that it's in universe, unsupported
[06:34] <hectorvs> hey guys, when you startup do you get some wierd message about a PnPBios not supported?
[06:35] <kapputu> what's the version of firefox that comes with ubuntu ?
[06:37] <jdub> 0.9.3 + security patches
[06:37] <Nafallo> kapputu: 0.93
[06:39] <kapputu> any suggestions for configuring sound card on ubuntu for Intel 810e onboard sound card ?
[06:39] <Thor> gdm sessions list ?
[06:40] <Thor> im totally new to linux, so please explain :)
[06:41] <Skif> Thor: at the graphical login screen, look to the bottom of the screen.  There you will find a "sessions" menu, from which you may thenceforth select an appropriate type.
[06:42] <hectorvs> im THIS close to giving up on my vidcard problem...
[06:43] <Skif> To be fair, it is more of a label, with the title of "sessions", the clicking upon of which will bring to light the aforementioned menu
[06:44] <Skif> (why yes, I am reading Paarfi of Roundwood, why do you ask)
[06:44] <Thor> so which one should i choose ?
[06:44] <Thor> keep in mind i want a graphical interface, not some thing i have to type commands on
[06:44] <burnboy> anyone know how to disable the sound file that plays at the login? it keeps fucking up and alsa crashes
[06:44] <Thor> and, its only got GNOME in it
[06:44] <jdub> Thor: xfce is like a baby brother of gnome
[06:44] <Thor> nothing else
[06:45] <jdub> perhaps xfce doesn't install a sessions
[06:45] <Skif> Thor, assuming you have installed xfce, it should appear as a selection within said list of available session types.
[06:45] <jdub> file
[06:45] <mgwhit> there's a sound that plays at login...?
[06:45] <Thor> so, how do i install it ?
[06:45] <burnboy> as far as i know.
[06:45] <Thor> what about XDMCchooser ?
[06:46] <Skif> Thor: why, by following the instructions the gentlemanly jdub has thoughtfully supplied already, to wit, 'apt-get install xfce'
[06:46] <kapputu> sound is not detected on my machine... :-(
[06:46] <Thor> hehe, oh those are instructions ?? sorry, like i said, im total sped, i dont understand these things :P
[06:46] <Thor> so i type that in a terminal window ?
[06:47] <jdub> Thor: or use synaptic
[06:47] <mgwhit> kapputu: what hardware?
[06:47] <kapputu> Intel 810e chipset
[06:47] <xinel> hrmmms i got a problem, dunno wether its ubuntu or not but when i leave my pc on overnight it stalls
[06:47] <Skif> Thor: that is an option; otherwise, you can, if you choose, employ synaptic, a more graphical approach, which can be started by the means of Computer-> System Configuration -> Synaptic Package Manager
[06:47] <mgwhit> kapputu: yeah, me too :p
[06:47] <xinel> it didn't used to with fedora core 2
[06:48] <kapputu> oh
[06:48] <Thor> i might do that :)
[06:48] <kapputu> I thought you would have a solution :P
[06:48] <mgwhit> kapputu: i'll let you know when i do :)
[06:49] <mgwhit> i've never gotten sound working under debian, but i'm sick of not being able to figure this out
[06:49] <xinel> anyone have any ideas?
[06:49] <kapputu> yep
[06:49] <kapputu> I don't like to have hardware not working on a machine
[06:50] <ajmitch> Skif: simple, just, pry off the ',' key, if you so wish :)
[06:50] <Skif> ajmitch: Would that it were so simple!
[06:50] <altan> is there any reason to choose nvidia or ati over one another when building a new machine from scratch that will not be used for games?
[06:50] <Thor> ok synaptic seems complicated
[06:51] <Skif> I have many other puncutation characters available to me-- some might call it a surplusage; a veritable cornucopia even!
[06:51] <Thor> hey tell me, to loginto the machine as a root user, you use root as username right ?
[06:51] <mgwhit> here we go
[06:51] <jdub> Thor: no, you should never log in as root, and in ubuntu, you're actually completely unable to
[06:52] <mgwhit> thor: ubuntu disables root account by defaultl use the sudo command
[06:52] <jdub> although
[06:52] <mgwhit> for root priveleges
[06:52] <jdub> if you're running synaptic from the menus
[06:52] <jdub> it doesn't matter in the slightest
[06:52] <Thor> ok
[06:52] <jdub> everything's done properly for you
[06:53] <Thor> so cna oyu run me through how to setup this in synaptic please /
[06:53] <burnboy> actually i am able to login as root just fine.
[06:53] <jdub> Thor: run synaptic, search for xfce
[06:53] <xinel> nothing in bugzilla from what i can see
[06:54] <burnboy> i didn't know anything about sudo...i su'ed using my default login's pass and did 'passwd' so now there's a diff root pass
[06:54] <burnboy> and i can su at any time
[06:54] <Thor> it didnt find anything using xfce
[06:54] <hectorvs> hmm... anybody have any idea why "modprobe i8k" gives me a "device not found" error even thou i'm on a dell laptop??
[06:54] <jdub> burnboy: that's because you enabled root. that's not the default configuration.
[06:54] <burnboy> so how did i enable it?
[06:54] <burnboy> by doing what i did?
[06:54] <jdub> you set the passworcxd
[06:54] <burnboy> oh
[06:54] <Skif> Thor: perhaps you must click the "reload" button first
[06:55] <burnboy> so is there anyway to fix that?
[06:55] <Skif> burnboy: in any event, 'sudo -s' is nearly equivalent to 'su', and suffices for all purposes I've ever cared to put it to
[06:55] <burnboy> i'd like to use it as it was intended
[06:55] <Thor> still nothing
[06:55] <Skif> If it truly must be done, there's always 'sudo su -'
[06:55] <jdub> burnboy: sudo passwd -l root
[06:56] <jdub> Skif: (sudo -s)
[06:56] <Skif> Thor: Try the menu item Settings->Repositories; do you have anything there?
[06:56] <burnboy> and what does that do?
[06:56] <Skif> jdub: but does that not retain your environment from before you sudo, whereas sudo su - will start a new root login shell, with only root's environment defined?
[06:57] <Skif> As I say, sudo -s has sufficed for all needs that I've ever cared to put to it.
[06:57] <Pizbit> Just don't use sudo -s to install a firefox update:)
[06:57] <Thor> url is the cd rom
[06:58] <Skif> Thor: you should select the entries corresponding to the various ubuntu.com urls
[06:58] <Skif> assuming they are there... I edited mine with vi :)
[07:01] <Thor> its dloading something now :)
[07:01] <TheScrew> i like ubuntu
[07:01] <TheScrew> it's quite neat
[07:02] <Skif> Thor: excellent.  Shortly upon the end of this process, you should have several results, not to say a few dozen, when searching for 'xfce'.
[07:03] <Thor> ubunut is the first os to run nice oni my old machine
[07:03] <Thor> damn my typing skills, or lack therof lP
[07:03] <kapputu> yep I installed it on my friend's P-II 400
[07:03] <hectorvs> i like how ubuntu came kinda like "out of the blue" hehe
[07:03] <kapputu> and for him it's like 10 times faster than his spyware, adware, virus infected windows 2000
[07:06] <Hikaru79> I have the following line in a shell script I wrote up: cd /usr/bin; ./cgoban     It works fine if I manually copy+paste this line into a terminal. But it has no effect if I run the .sh file. I HAVE chmodd'ed it to +x. What could be the problem? =/
[07:07] <Thor> ok
[07:07] <Thor> so what xfce thingo should i select ?
[07:07] <Pizbit> Hikaru79: Try putting #!/bin/sh at the top ?
[07:07] <Hikaru79> At the beginning of the script?
[07:08] <Pizbit> Yep
[07:08] <burnboy> ok damnit. this is confusing. i have 2 diff. computers through a linksys..redhat9 and my ubuntu..my roommates rh9 never dies on connections when i'm SSHed but i'm on my VNC and SSH here at work every day and it always dies on me.
[07:08] <burnboy> any ideas?
[07:08] <xio04> does this disto auto-detect hardware during install,  like knoppix does, or is it a more hands on approach with lots of questions?
[07:08] <Thor> yeah it does
[07:08] <Hikaru79> So, like this:
[07:08] <Hikaru79> #!/bin/sh
[07:08] <Hikaru79> cd /usr/bin; ./cgoban
[07:08] <Hikaru79> ?
[07:08] <|progenic|> excuse me, is anybody know how to set path to run my javac, java, etc ?
[07:08] <Thor> well, did for me anyway
[07:08] <Pizbit> Hikaru79: Yeah
[07:08] <Hikaru79> |progenic| are you using bash?
[07:08] <Hikaru79> Pizbit: still nothing :(
[07:09] <|progenic|> yup
[07:09] <|progenic|> edit it in bashrc ?
[07:09] <|progenic|> what like to type ?
[07:09] <Pizbit> |progenic|: Add it to .bashrc or .bash_profile (which ever one has $PATH
[07:09] <kapputu> hi Pizbit
[07:09] <Hikaru79> export PATH=$PATH:/usr/jdk1.5.0/bin
[07:09] <kapputu> hi hiky
[07:09] <Hikaru79> That's what mine says
[07:10] <Hikaru79> Just put in your own directory :)
[07:10] <Hikaru79> Hey, kappu :)
[07:10] <Hikaru79> Pizbit, still not working :(
[07:10] <jdub> xio04: as hands off as we can possibly make it :)
[07:11] <Pizbit> Hikaru79: Erm, isn't /usr/bin in your path anyway? Why not just put in exec cgoban ?
[07:11] <jdub> xio04: if it asks a question about your hardware to configure X, we regard it as a bug (with either your hardware, or ubuntu)
[07:12] <Pizbit> jdub: It's just not fair:)
[07:12] <xio04> nice, i might think about installing it.
[07:13] <xio04> another question:  does it use synaptic as the apt-get gui?  i just installed it on my debian box, and it doesn't seem as user friendly as xandro, or linspire.
[07:13] <burnboy> is there anything in ubuntu that would time out any connections to it?
[07:14] <Skif> xio04: To be perfectly accurate, synaptic and apt-get are both front ends to apt, a library providing the functions both employ for the purpose of installing and removing packages.  Neither is a front end to the other.
[07:14] <xio04> ok- but i assume that is what it is useing?
[07:14] <kapputu> any help with i810e on board sound card ?
[07:14] <Pizbit> xio04: Yep
[07:14] <xskoulax> evening, morning, afternoon, pick which applies to you ;)
[07:14] <xio04> ahh- not terrably bad but i don't think it's mom-friendly.
[07:15] <Skif> xio04: That is the most-employed method, I imagine, but apt-get (and my personal favourite, aptitude) are also available, should you find yourself desirous of employing either.
[07:15] <jdub> xio04: for warty, we use synaptic
[07:15] <Pizbit> xio04: Well, a basic desktop is setup with OpenOffice and whatnot in the default install anyway
[07:15] <jdub> xio04: for hoary, we'll have something even simpler as well
[07:15] <Skif> jdub: a program of your own devising, or something already extant?
[07:15] <Pizbit> jdub: Sounds interesting
[07:16] <xio04> hoary is?
[07:16] <jdub> Skif: something nu :-)
[07:16] <kapputu> hi xskoulax
[07:16] <kapputu> hows u
[07:16] <Skif> jdub: why then, I hereby volunteer myself to test it!
[07:16] <xskoulax> fine thx kapputu
[07:16] <jdub> xio04: our next release, due in april next year
[07:16] <xskoulax> yourself
[07:16] <jdub> xio04: it's already open for testing
[07:16] <xio04> ok
[07:16] <jdub> though a lot of the cool feature stuff is not in yet
[07:17] <kapputu> I'm doing good
[07:17] <kapputu> feeling great with three ubuntus at home
[07:17] <kapputu> even gave them pretty names ; laputu, deskutu, servutu
[07:18] <burnboy> does anyone else have problems with remote connectiosn to a ubuntu timing out? i don't have probs with any other linux boxes.
[07:18] <Hikaru79> OK, here's my updated script...
[07:18] <Hikaru79> #!/bin/bash
[07:18] <Hikaru79> /usr/bin/cgoban
[07:18] <Hikaru79> Again, this works fine if I manually type it in terminal, but not as a script...
[07:19] <xio04> does emply mouting disks when the system boots?  and for removable media such a floppy, cd-rom do you need to umount? or does the cd-rom's eject button and or umount automatically?
[07:20] <bioborg> hey, i wiped out my bootloader installing another os and I want ubuntu back? floppy dont work either... i edited lilo but it was like mandrakes and i want my old grub back...
[07:20] <Pizbit> xio04: Removable media puts a temporary icon on the desktop you can right click on to unmount
[07:21] <|progenic|> excuse me, how to check all my hardware spesification ?
[07:21] <CardinalSin> Hi, a basic question. I have just switched from SuSE to Ubuntu and was wondering if there is anything like Yast for managment? I have never used a Debian based system before.
[07:21] <|progenic|> from linux
[07:21] <jdub> CardinalSin: not as expansive as apt, but see everything in your Computer > System Configuration menu
[07:21] <bioborg> CardinalSin: use synaptic
[07:21] <|progenic|> CardinalSin, Yes. U can use either synaptic / apt
[07:21] <jdub> s/apt/yast/
[07:22] <jdub> bioborg, |progenic|: yast is not just apcakge management
[07:22] <bioborg> hey, how do i reinstall my ubuntu's grub after writing over the boot sector with lilo from mandrake
[07:22] <xio04> hmm  i'm looking to turn linux in a windows system without windows.  interesting but i think this distro isn't up to what i need without major configuration.
[07:22] <Pizbit> xio04: Er?
[07:22] <xio04> i don't think any distro is.  but i guess that will take time.
[07:23] <Skif> jdub: Indeed, it is a wonderful way of completely screwing up any manual changes you've made to your system's configuration!
[07:23] <jdub> xio04: depends on what you want to od.
[07:23] <Pizbit> xio04: Give it a try, try out the live cd
[07:23] <CardinalSin> thanks. and to manage my services? btw, Ubuntu has me completly blown away.
[07:23] <xio04> well, i'm simply saying it's alot of work.
[07:23] <Skif> And some automatic ones, for that matter.
[07:23] <xio04> hmm  maybe i will.
[07:23] <jdub> CardinalSin: no service management gui, you shouldn't have to change much.
[07:23] <bioborg> jdub, can you help me with getting my bootloader straightened out?
[07:23] <xio04> there are lots of distos and not enough time to try them all.  which is why i'm asking questions to decide if its worth my time.
[07:24] <xio04> i'm currently looking at screenshots, etc.
[07:24] <CardinalSin> tx jdud.
[07:24] <xio04> i like some of the stuff i'm seeing.
[07:24] <Skif> xio04: Then let me say that ubuntu is perhaps the first distribution that I am comfortably using, and yet I would not hesitate to recommend to my mother.
[07:25] <jdub> bioborg: you should boot the install cd, jump to a console
[07:25] <xio04> Skif-  does your mother know how to umount?
[07:25] <Skif> xio04: not hardly!
[07:25] <jdub> bioborg: mount your hard drive, chroot into it
[07:25] <jdub> bioborg: then do a grub install
[07:25] <xio04> Skif- does your mother know how to install office xp on linux?
[07:25] <CardinalSin> same here Skif. my wife is keen to try it out.
[07:25] <jdub> bioborg: but, i am not familiar enough with grub to really know how to do that properly
[07:25] <Skif> Notwithstanding that I had a most entertaining installation experience, the primary cause of which was my desire to have my default user have a specific uid/gid. :)
[07:26] <jdub> bioborg: or explain how to do it given your hardware
[07:26] <Skif> xio04: I daresay I don't know how to install office xp on linux, except perhaps through the intermediary of vmware.
[07:26] <xio04> big obsticles, but there possible right now. the question is how far has the distribution taken it, or is able to take it.  commerial distros like xandros can, but non-commerial distros can do a lot too.
[07:27] <xio04> Skif i believe winex will instlal office xp
[07:27] <Skif> xio04: now, were you to ask about, say, OpenOffice, then I'm sure she wouldn't know how to install that either.
[07:27] <xskoulax> xio04: imho ubuntu gets desktop linux right, they have chosen the toolset they want, and provided it in an easy to install, easy to use, fast distro
[07:27] <Skif> xio04: no doubt, but I've yet to feel either the desire or the need to do so.
[07:27] <bioborg> jdub: great idea, I just got there myself from the grub howto, thanks.
[07:28] <xio04> Skif, true.  what i'm getting at is, i don't want to have to go and assist every time they want to install a program.  which is what i would have to do.  i can't say 'windows is better then linux' if get the wrong impression.
[07:28] <bioborg> jdub: df: Warning: cannot read table of mounted filesystems: No such file or directorydf: Warning: cannot read table of mounted filesystems: No such file or directoryCould not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[07:28] <bioborg> ahh, mounted read-only
[07:28] <Skif> xio04: well, I am not hugely fond of synaptic, for reasons of my own, but I don't doubt that it is reasonably functional for the purpose, even for newbies
[07:28] <bash_> i can use the package. of the debian testing in my ubuntu ?
[07:29] <bash_> or debian unstable.. ?
[07:29] <Skif> bash_: I wouldn't recommend it, though it might be technically possible.
[07:29] <bash_> .deb
[07:29] <jdub> bash_: we don't encourage it -> have you looked for what you want in universe/multiverse?
[07:29] <bash_> uhm okey..
[07:29] <xio04> i am currently installed openoffice in place of office xp, but if they wanted to install a windows program, it would be nice to see winex automatically load the setup.exe from a cd for anything they insert.  at least it will be like windows crashing as opposed to just not being able to do it because its linux.
[07:29] <Skif> bash_: one of the major advantages of ubuntu is that it releases every 6 months, so you don't have instant access to the latest stuff, but when you do, it just works.
[07:30] <bash_> were have good repositoried of ubuntu
[07:30] <xio04> i don't think it's ready, and i'm affraid i can't start reccomending people who are computer illiterate use linux because they will get a negative impression and turn them off for good.
[07:31] <jdub> xio04: that's fine. you don't have to.
[07:32] <xio04> better to install openoffice, and such programs instead on windows. for the time being.  eventually, give it a few months another year.  it's so much farther then it was in 1995, let alone in the last year it will take much longer to be perfect.
[07:32] <Skif> xio04: I would, but only on the understanding that they required only a limited selection of packages, and that they understood I was not at their beck and call for the purpose of installing any software that came to their fancy.
[07:32] <xskoulax> xio04: infact if its going to give them a negative impression its better they don't get on the bandwagon yet
[07:32] <Pizbit> xio04: Got them onto using firefox too? 1.0 is due out within 2 week
[07:32] <Skif> I find, myself, that truly computer illiterate folk have few requirements, and that, once trained on a specific installation, are loath to change it for any reason.
[07:33] <xio04> xskoulax well, see i've allready given people a negative impression with linux i think.  they are uneazy about it, and if they can't do it themselves they don't want it.
[07:33] <jdub> ok, dudes
[07:33] <Skif> A friend of mine has his mother using Linux, though I doubt she would be able to tell you anything about it other than her son has repeatedly insisted to her that "it's not windows".
[07:33] <jdub> off-topic discussion elsewhere please :)
[07:33] <Pizbit> Skif: Hehe
[07:33] <timothy_> IMO the best way to make people currently stuck on (or used to) Windows interested in Linux is by giving them software which is truly cross platform. (Kudos to the Ubuntu devs for including stuff from TheOpenCD!)
[07:34] <timothy_> File formats are the bolt in the nose of most software users.
[07:34] <xio04> yea, i got quite a few people using firefox.  i'm thinking of pushing out mozilla 1.6 or whatever it is, it seems better in some respects compatability wise.  i would suggest konqueror for linux though.
[07:34] <xskoulax> xio04: if they are not ready for linux yet, get them on the road with openoffice/firefox etc and let the work from there
[07:34] <Pizbit> xio04: Default browser for Ubuntu is firefox
[07:34] <xskoulax> s/the/them
[07:35] <Pizbit> Mozilla(Seamonkey) is also bloated when you just want a browser
[07:35] <timothy_> If after a while people like the cross-platform free software, and they realize that Linux not only runs it but also comes with Frozen Bubble ...
[07:35] <xio04> i think getting them used to open source is the best solution to convert windows uers to linux..  definatly.
[07:35] <timothy_> sold!
[07:35] <xskoulax> lol @ timothy_
[07:35] <xio04> i can't stand windows xp, thats all i know.
[07:35] <jdub> guys
[07:36] <jdub> bugs in ubuntu == on-topic
[07:36] <|progenic|> but to tell the truth how will be the future of software industry ? if all of ppl using open source ?
[07:36] <jdub> bugs in the world == off-topic
[07:36] <jdub> let's concentrate on ubuntu here :)
[07:36] <Dragoon> I can't seem to get my broadband to work on ubuntu, I'm using a nic card of uknown make and I'm a complete newbie when it comes to linux, any help would be nice
[07:36] <hectorvs> i need help with i8k...
[07:36] <jdub> Dragoon: can you run lspci in a terminal?
[07:36] <xio04> progenic if you combine open source with commerial i think linux will be Extremly successfull.
[07:37] <jdub> Dragoon: then paste the line that says 'Ethernet' in it
[07:37] <|progenic|> xio04, example ?
[07:37] <hectorvs> when i shutdown it says "unloading i8kbuttons" but they're not working...
[07:37] <xio04> :)  time for me to head out, ha?
[07:38] <xio04> progenic  xandros provides a free version, without winex, and a few pay versions with, in addition to extra functionality.  i think this is a great combination, or start.
[07:38] <Dragoon> jdub: 0000:00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Davicom Semiconductor, Inc. 21x4x DEC-Tulip compatible 10/100 Ethernet (rev 32)
[07:38] <jdub> Dragoon: ok, now type:
[07:38] <jdub> lsmod | grep tulip
[07:39] <xio04> now i'm going..  one last thing  i think driverloader is another program that should be added to xandros, or any windows-friendly distro.
[07:40] <CardinalSin> man, Ubuntu rocks. I have not enjoyed my computer this much for a long time.
[07:40] <|progenic|> yeah i must admit too
[07:40] <xio04> CardinalSin i say that every time i install a new distro.
[07:40] <|progenic|> i haven't boot to windows for almost 1 week+
[07:40] <swab_> once you get mplayer installed it rocks
[07:41] <hectorvs> swab: true that
[07:41] <Dragoon> jdub: ok it brought up a few things, need me to post it here probably right
[07:41] <xio04> havn't had windows in over a year..  gone are the days of crashing and ohh yea. stupid stupid wizards.
[07:41] <CardinalSin> na xio04, i also do the ditro tango. and this one, as is, just feels good from the get go.
[07:41] <jdub> Dragoon: if it has a line with tulip in it, that's a good start
[07:41] <Dragoon> jdub: yes it does the first line is tulip
[07:42] <jdub> Dragoon: ok, try this:
[07:42] <jdub> ifconfig -a | grep encap
[07:42] <jdub> how many lines, and what's the first thing on each line?
[07:42] <CardinalSin> anyway, time to do the laundry. cheers all.
[07:43] <Dragoon> jdub: three lines in order from top to bottom    eth0, lo, sit0
[07:43] <|progenic|> i'm very excited to see how the software industry goes in the future :D
[07:43] <jdub> Dragoon: cooL!
[07:43] <|progenic|> especially open source
[07:44] <jdub> Dragoon: can you run Computer > System Configuration > Networking?
[07:44] <Dragoon> jdub: its open now
[07:44] <xio04> i wouldn't mind comercial software, if they would just open source it, and charge for technical support/simpler front end.  thats the direction i would like to see it take
[07:44] <jdub> Dragoon: does it have eth0 in the list?
[07:44] <jdub> xio04: dude, please, somewhere else
[07:45] <Dragoon> jdub: Type: ethernet LAN card    Device: eth0
[07:45] <jdub> Dragoon: rock!
[07:45] <jdub> Dragoon: click properties, and set it up how you want it
[07:45] <jdub> Dragoon: then just click on the 'active' checkbox
[07:45] <Dragoon> jdub: ok I'll give it a go, have to disconnect from here to do so cause I'm using my cable modem on my windows machine to get here
[07:46] <jdub> you might also want to switch on 'activate when computer starts' in the properties
[07:46] <jdub> Dragoon: ok :)
[07:46] <Dragoon> jdub: thanks for the help and hopefully I'll be on ubuntu when I come back
[07:49] <mbb> anyone care to enlighten me some on when/if to file a bug report. Am having sound weirdness on thinkpad 390x, posted to list, but no solution yet.
[07:50] <daniels> mbb: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[07:51] <mbb> reason I hesitate to bug it is its likely to not be ubuntu specific - also present in knoppix, gnoppix.
[07:52] <mbb> also hoping for more ideas in troubleshooting it, for more bug info to write up.
[07:52] <binary_10> has anyone had any issues with k3b?
[07:52] <binary_10> on thier web site it says dont use kernel 2.6.8
[07:56] <Solkaris> Greetings and Salutations
[07:57] <Dragoon> jdub I have another question
[07:57] <jdub> Dragoon: did that work?
[07:58] <Dragoon> jdub: when I click the active box it unchecks itself
[07:58] <jdub> hmm
[07:58] <hectorvs> anyone... could u give me some ideas to troubleshoot my i8k problem?... where should i start looking?
[07:58] <jdub> what did you put in the properties dialogue?
[07:58] <plovs_work> mbb, write it anyway, if it is a good report people will look at it
[07:59] <Dragoon> jdub: Automatic (DHCP) because that is what my ISP provides I am pretty sure cause on my windows machine ipconfig shows DHCP enabled
[07:59] <rushibhai> hi all
[08:00] <jdub> Dragoon: ok
[08:00] <rushibhai> any idea when 2.6.9 packages will be out?
[08:00] <mbb> plovs: OK, thank you, I'll work on writing up what I know so far.
[08:00] <jdub> Dragoon: in a terminal, can you run 'sudo ifup eth0' ?
[08:00] <jdub> rushibhai: there won't be 2.6.9 pacakges for warty
[08:01] <rushibhai> humm.. sad.
[08:01] <Dragoon> jdub: interface eth0 already configured
[08:01] <jdub> rushibhai: warty is a stable release, we don't do version upgrades in it
[08:01] <jdub> Dragoon: aha
[08:01] <rushibhai> jdub: thanks for the info, i'll get the vanilla ones then.
[08:01] <jdub> Dragoon: do sudo ifdown eth0
[08:01] <jdub> rushibhai: then you lose all the advantages of the ubuntu kernels
[08:02] <rushibhai> jdub: yeah, but i am itching for a kernel compile right now :)
[08:02] <jdub> rushibhai: new kernels will be available in our next release (and on the development branch of it)
[08:02] <Dragoon> jdub: ok this one had listed a bit more information...anything I should look for in particular as I can't copy paste...I have to type it out sadly
[08:02] <rushibhai> jdub: i don't feel like going to hoary, it changes too fast for comfort.
[08:02] <jdub> Dragoon: nah, it's just trying to DHCP
[08:02] <Hikaru79> Good night, #ubuntu ^ ^
[08:02] <Hikaru79> See you in the morning :)
[08:02] <jdub> Dragoon: type sudo ifdown eth0 again
[08:03] <jdub> Dragoon: then try connecting it to your cable modem and turning it on again
[08:03] <jdub> Dragoon: it was just in a confused state :)
[08:03] <Dragoon> jdub: ok I'll give that a go then return whether it works or not
[08:05] <amohamed> I just installed Ubuntu for the first time. I got an apt error during the install. I tried an apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade and I'm getting an error on emacs-install emacs21. Anyone know what this is about? I looked in the forums but couldn't find anything on it.
[08:06] <Pizbit> amohamed: And the error is...??
[08:07] <amohamed> hang on. let me copy the error off my laptop.
[08:09] <arafat> Pizbit, here's the error:
[08:10] <arafat> Setting up emacs21 (21.3+1-5ubuntu4) ...
[08:10] <arafat> emacs-install emacs21
[08:10] <arafat> install/dictionaries-common: Byte-compiling for emacsen flavour emacs21
[08:10] <arafat> /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/dictionaries-common: line 61: emacs21: command not found
[08:10] <arafat> emacs-install: /usr/lib/emacsen-common/packages/install/dictionaries-common emacs21 failed at /usr/lib/emacsen-common/emacs-install line 28, <TSORT> line 3.
[08:10] <arafat> dpkg: error processing emacs21 (--configure):
[08:10] <arafat>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127
[08:10] <arafat> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ubuntu-desktop:
[08:10] <arafat>  ubuntu-desktop depends on emacs21; however:
[08:10] <arafat>   Package emacs21 is not configured yet.
[08:10] <arafat> dpkg: error processing ubuntu-desktop (--configure):
[08:10] <arafat>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[08:10] <arafat> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:10] <burnboy> ack
[08:10] <arafat>  emacs21
[08:10] <arafat>  ubuntu-desktop
[08:10] <arafat> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:10] <burnboy> you know...private message would have been good for this.
[08:10] <Pizbit> arafat: Read the damned topic
[08:11] <arafat> I'm really sorry. won't happen again.
[08:11] <jdub> Pizbit: be nice, please
[08:12] <Pizbit> Mmkay:)
[08:12] <hectorvs> do i have to recompile my kernel to make i8k work?
[08:13] <arafat> anyways, anyone know why I can't get emacs21 and ubuntu-desktop to install?
[08:20] <enabl> hi all, have the hoary repositories got the 2.6.9 kernel?
[08:22] <Thor> anyone here ?
[08:22] <Thor> how do i install xfce ?
[08:23] <jdub> enabl: no
[08:23] <arafat> I would think you need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to allow the universal packages and search in there.
[08:23] <jdub> Thor: as i said before, search for it in synaptic and install it
[08:23] <cenerentola> ciao a tutti... ppl since ive downloaded ubuntu far earlier the warty release... i suppose that packages ive been updated..
[08:23] <cenerentola> so how can i do dist-upgrade in synaptic
[08:23] <Thor> i serached, found xfce
[08:24] <Thor> then double clicked
[08:24] <arafat> thor: apt-get install xfce
[08:24] <Thor> it did some stuff
[08:24] <Pizbit> Thor: Did you click to apply?
[08:24] <Thor> then opened terminal window did some more stuff then it said finished, you may close terminal window
[08:25] <Thor> yeah i applied it
[08:25] <arafat> thor: log out of gnome. When you log in again, see if it shows up in your sessions.
[08:25] <Thor> it doesnt
[08:26] <Thor> do i need to install ALL the components that came up in the search for xfce ?
[08:26] <cenerentola> hey hey...?
[08:26] <Thor> or only need to install xfce ?
[08:26] <arafat> thor: check the description for the xfce package. See what it says.
[08:27] <Thor> ok, im installing xfce4 now
[08:27] <Thor> let see what that does
[08:29] <arafat> I'm trying to search the ubuntu site for documentation on the different apt repositories. Anyone feel like being a saint and saving me some time?
[08:30] <Treenaks> arafat: vim /etc/apt/sources.list ;)
[08:30] <Treenaks> arafat: it has examples..
[08:30] <tiago_> hi there, where I can put a script to run on startup, I think the correct place is init.d, but wich file? Or I can create a new file..., sorry by newbea questio ;)
[08:30] <Treenaks> tiago_: what do you want to run?
[08:31] <mooniker> in the sources.list, what's the difference between deb and deb-src? I mean, how does it affect package installation?
[08:31] <Treenaks> deb is for packages, deb-src is for sources
[08:31] <arafat> Treenaks, all I see is warty and universe? Is there more? I saw a short link to a third repository and was trying to get more info (I lost the link. I saw it at work and can't find it again).
[08:31] <Treenaks> (with deb-src things, you can "apt-get source packagename" to get the source
[08:31] <tiago_> Treenaks, I don't know why it removes my symblink of my modem in /dev
[08:32] <mooniker> So if I choose sources, it just downloads the sources?
[08:32] <Treenaks> tiago_: that's udev, you'll want to read this:
[08:32] <Treenaks> tiago_: http://www.reactivated.net/udevrules.php
[08:32] <Treenaks> mooniker: no
[08:32] <tiago_> Treenaks, good, thx
[08:32] <Elw0od_21> hi all
[08:32] <Treenaks> mooniker: it always downloads packages (apt-get install etc.)
[08:32] <arafat> mooniker, you can get it to compile and install on your system from deb-src. man apt-get. There's differenct options.
[08:33] <Treenaks> mooniker: it's just that if you need the source (to fix a bug, for example), you can get it using "apt-get source packagename", and you can even build a custom package from those sources
[08:33] <Treenaks> arafat: warty is the distribution, "main", "restricted", "universe" and "multiverse" are repositories.
[08:33] <mooniker> OK, thanks.
[08:34] <Treenaks> main contains the 'basic' installation (gnome, e.d.: all supported packages), restricted contains "restricted-but-useful" modules (NVidia, for example)
[08:34] <arafat> Treenaks, multiverse was what I was trying to find. Thank you.
[08:34] <Treenaks> universe is a snapshot of Debian sid from late june (stabilized a bit, no support)
[08:34] <Treenaks> end mutiverse is debian nonfree/contrib
[08:35] <timothy_> Treenaks: thanks for the explan. I was trying to figure out from the conversation what each of those meant.
[08:36] <arafat> Treenaks, I don't suppose you know why apt-get errors out on installing emacs21 and ubuntu-desktop?
[08:36] <arafat> Treenaks, new install. First time using ubuntu.
[08:36] <Treenaks> arafat: what's the specific error?
[08:37] <arafat> Treenaks, I'll send the file.
[08:37] <Treenaks> arafat: no, just use pastebin.com
[08:38] <arafat> Treenaks, that's what I'm trying to do. I think I posted with your nick by mistake.
[08:38] <Treenaks> arafat: weird...
[08:39] <arafat> Treenaks, I also tried a --configure on both with no success. Like I said, new install, let it do it's default thing.
[08:39] <Treenaks> arafat: try aptitude install ~tubuntu-desktop
[08:39] <Treenaks> arafat: (you should have that from a fresh install, but who knows..)
[08:39] <Pizbit> ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package anyway, you should be able to safely remove it I believe
[08:39] <arafat> Treenaks, still getting errors.
[08:40] <arafat> Treenaks, with aptitude install.
[08:40] <Treenaks> Pizbit: yes but you don't want that
[08:40] <Treenaks> arafat: did you check your CD image?
[08:40] <arafat> Treenaks, I edited sources.list to not use CD.
[08:40] <Treenaks> (md5sum /dev/yourcdromplayer, compare to the md5sums file on the site)
[08:41] <Pizbit> Treenaks: Several people on the users mailing list said there were no probs with doing so if you needed too
[08:42] <Treenaks> Pizbit: maybe when hoary comes, I think
[08:42] <arafat> Pizbit, what about emacs though. I notice that even in Debian, emacs seems to be required for a lot of packages (which I hate cause I'm a vi guy).
[08:42] <Pizbit> arafat: Why do you need emacs then?
[08:42] <arafat> Pizbit, I don't, apparently the system does.
[08:43] <burnboy> so maybe i can ask this again. i get timed out on connections remotely to my ubuntu box through a network but not through a redhat 9 box through the same network...any ideas?
[08:44] <plovs_work> what is the best app for screenshooting windows? not the whole screen?
[08:44] <Pizbit> plovs_work: The gnome-screen-shot application can do that, sadly I only know how to make it do that via the keyboard shortcuts
[08:45] <Pizbit> Ahh
[08:45] <arafat> Check pastebin
[08:45] <arafat> Got a problem running md5sum on the CD :(
[08:45] <Pizbit> gnome-panel-screenshot --window
[08:45] <plovs_work> Pizbit, shortcut doesn't work afaik
[08:45] <plovs_work> Alt-Prt right?
[08:46] <timothy_> plovs_work: plovs_work -- also, if you might have use for installing anything KDE related, the application ksnapshot is good for that, too.
[08:46] <Pizbit> plovs_work: Works for me, I rebound the key
[08:46] <timothy_> (if you have network and can install stuff, that is.)
[08:46] <Pizbit> Not sure what it is by default
[08:46] <plovs_work> timothy_, thanks, but that would be a lot of work for one pic
[08:46] <plovs_work> Pizbit i'll try
[08:47] <timothy_> plovs_work: Yes :) I'm presently on a (KDE-centric) Mepis system, once in a while I reboot with an Ubuntu live CD ...
[08:47] <Pizbit> plovs_work: Select the window you want a screen shot taken of, hit alt+f2 and run "gnome-panel-screenshot --window"
[08:48] <plovs_work> Pizbit, rebinding works, Alt-prnt did not ... thanks, there i go
[08:48] <Thor> hmm
[08:48] <Thor> ok, now how do oyu use xfce ?
[08:49] <plovs_work> timothy_, mepis was quite nice... but i prefer ubuntu nowadays... and kde well, let's not get into that fight again (what do you think of emacs -vi? .. ah no)
[08:49] <Thor> wheres all thesettings in xfce ?
[08:50] <Dragoon> jdub: the network settings freezes up when I try to activate eth0....hope you're still around
[08:52] <jdub> Dragoon: d'oh!
[08:52] <jdub> Dragoon: perhaps just try to do 'sudo ifup eth0
[08:52] <jdub> instead of using the gui
[08:52] <jdub> then we can see if there are any errors
[08:54] <Dragoon> jdub: well I messed with it for a bit, if I activate the eth0 with the cable modem not hooked up, it gives me the busy symbol, then closes after a bit, yet when I reopen I'm back to the box being unchecked.
[08:54] <jdub> yeah
[08:54] <jdub> try from the command line
[08:54] <Dragoon> jdub: I just get the interface eth0 already configured
[08:54] <jdub> then do sudo ifdown eth0
[08:54] <jdub> and ifup again
[08:55] <Dragoon> also not sure if this matters or not but when booting it takes awhile on the network configuration part of the boot up
[08:55] <Thor> does this thing ubuntu have KDE ?
[08:55] <daniels> Thor: you can install it if you want, yes
[08:55] <jdub> Dragoon: yeah, it's probably waiting around for dhcp, but not connected
[08:55] <jdub> Thor: kde is unsupported, but available in universe
[08:56] <Dragoon> jdub: sort of sucks cause I can't be on here asking for help while I'm connect through my modem, I don't have a router and only have the one cable modem
[08:56] <jdub> yeah 8)
[08:56] <Thor> what does unsuported mean ?
[08:56] <Thor> well fxce worked really well
[08:57] <Thor> but it didnt have many options and stuff
[08:57] <pastyhermit> Im tryin to install the latest nvidia drivers but I cant get my kernel source, synaptic says 2.6.7 is the latest but I am running 2.6.8.1
[08:57] <Pizbit> Thor: It means no one is looking after it to make sure it works.
[08:57] <jdub> pastyhermit: the nvidia drivers are available in ubuntu already
[08:57] <pastyhermit> where do I get the ubuntu
[08:57] <jdub> pastyhermit: install nvidia-glx
[08:57] <psyklops> scyuzzies... quick question, what provides /dev/sequencer?
[08:57] <pastyhermit> jdub, its not that my display is at 16bpp, I want it at 24bpp
[08:57] <deFrysk> what done : sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[08:58] <deFrysk> what* when
[08:58] <pastyhermit> its not GLX I want a better color pallette
[08:58] <deFrysk> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and set it at 24
[08:58] <pastyhermit> and I cant find eclipse in synaptic
[08:59] <pastyhermit> deFrysk, I already edit XF86Config-4
[08:59] <pastyhermit> but no change
[08:59] <elwood> psyklops,  are u using alsa?
[08:59] <pastyhermit> thats why I WANT THE NVIDIA driver :D
[08:59] <deFrysk> pastyhermit, thats not the debian way ;)
[08:59] <psyklops> yeah
[08:59] <pastyhermit> deFrysk, no its the linux way
[08:59] <deFrysk> pasty , what i said earlyer
[08:59] <pastyhermit> regardless where do I get the kernel source
[09:00] <pastyhermit> I dont get what glx has to do with the color pallete
[09:00] <deFrysk> pastyhermit, read http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:00] <deFrysk> and next time try the debian way
[09:01] <elwood> psyklops,  when u compile the kernel enable sequencer module and load it
[09:01] <psyklops> ack... requires a recompile of the kernel?
[09:01] <pastyhermit> deFrysk, I just want the kernel source
[09:01] <psyklops> could I have it in a module?
[09:02] <pastyhermit> restarting X
[09:03] <pastyhermit> this probably wont work
[09:03] <pastyhermit> so where do I get the ubuntu kernel source
[09:03] <deFrysk> pastyhermit, apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.1
[09:03] <pastyhermit> tsank you :D
[09:03] <deFrysk> and have fun
[09:03] <deFrysk> ;p
[09:03] <deFrysk> ?
[09:04] <Thor> is KDE heavier than GNOME
[09:04] <Thor> ?
[09:04] <deFrysk> same weight
[09:04] <mctavish> G'day. According to nautilus help, there is a 'file types and programmes' preference tool. I can't find it. Can anyone help locate it?
[09:04] <deFrysk> about 50 grams
[09:05] <Thor> hhmm
[09:05] <Thor> hmm
[09:05] <deFrysk> Thor, kde is kinda bloated
[09:05] <deFrysk> losta lot
[09:05] <Thor> its funny homw GNOME doesnt have optison for slow comps
[09:05] <elwood> i love openbox
[09:06] <deFrysk> I love 64 bit processors
[09:06] <psyklops> theres no way to get /dev/sequencer short of compiling the kernel?
[09:06] <psyklops> I have no source on hand
[09:06] <psyklops> let alone a kernelconfig
[09:06] <psyklops> I'm running on an image
[09:07] <Thor> so whats the lightest interface ?
[09:07] <deFrysk> blackbox waimea
[09:07] <Thor> i liked fxce or whatever it was
[09:07] <deFrysk> fluxbox
[09:07] <deFrysk> xfce4 is light gtk2
[09:07] <elwood> or fluxbox
[09:07] <Thor> is fluxbox fxce ?
[09:08] <deFrysk> no
[09:08] <elwood> no..
[09:08] <Thor> yeah, i was using xfce 4
[09:08] <Thor> that was heaps cool, but it didnt have many options
[09:08] <deFrysk> i used it but got bored with it
[09:08] <deFrysk> and my pc has planty speed for gnome
[09:09] <matt_> jdub: it works!
[09:09] <Thor> mine doesnt
[09:09] <matt_> jdub: I'm Dragoon btw...forgot to log out of my other computer when I left IRC
[09:09] <jdub> matt_: :)
[09:09] <jdub> rock!
[09:10] <matt_> Thanks a lot for the help
[09:11] <Thor> whats fluxbox like ?
[09:11] <Thor> arethere any screeners of it ?
[09:12] <jdub> probably on the fluxbox website
[09:12] <jdub> mctavish: that dialogue is no longer in gnome
[09:12] <iz> http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/screenshots-dev.php
[09:13] <mctavish> jdub. Thanks, guessed so. Help needs updating ...
[09:13] <jdub> yeah
[09:17] <psyklops> is there any other way to get /dev/sequencer?
[09:17] <psyklops> I can't really compile for it
[09:18] <Treenaks> psyklops: load OSS emulation?
[09:18] <psyklops> okay...
[09:18] <Thor> hmm
[09:18] <psyklops> how?
[09:18] <psyklops> heh
[09:18] <Thor> fluxbox is no good
[09:18] <Treenaks> psyklops: but that's just a temporary solution.. you'll need to re-write the program to use ALSA eventually
[09:18] <Treenaks> Thor: why not?
[09:18] <Thor> you gotta write command in it
[09:18] <psyklops> well, temporary is fine
[09:18] <psyklops> its just for tonight anyway
[09:18] <Thor> its got no icons and stuff
[09:19] <Treenaks> Thor: so? that doesn't make it worse :)
[09:19] <Treenaks> Thor: (only better, imho)
[09:19] <Thor> well it does make it worse, when you dont know anything at all about computers :P
[09:19] <psyklops> how do I load OSS emu?
[09:20] <jdub> Thor: i recommend sticking to gnome or xfce
[09:20] <Thor> http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/zoom.php?shots-dev/majes_fluxbox.jpg <-- is it complicated to get that toolbar up ???
[09:20] <Treenaks> Thor: toolbar? where?
[09:21] <Thor> look at that screen shot
[09:21] <Treenaks> Thor: yes.. I don't see a toolbar
[09:21] <Thor> that fluxdesk thing
[09:21] <Treenaks> dunno about it
[09:21] <Treenaks> should be easy
[09:21] <Thor> have you gone tothat site ?
[09:22] <Thor> you dont see that fluxdesk thing on there ?
[09:22] <Treenaks> Thor: I am looking at the screenshot
[09:22] <Treenaks> Thor: I just don't know, as I haven't used fluxbox for about a year
[09:22] <Thor> oic
[09:23] <Treenaks> but it shouldn't be too hard
[09:24] <Thor> something like that would be great for me
[09:28] <gruberman> When I remove a package with apt, does it also remove the dependencies of that package?
[09:29] <Pizbit> gruberman: No
[09:31] <Thor> treenaks, how can i install themes ??
[09:31] <Pizbit> Thor: Unpack them into ~/.themes if it's just for your user
[09:32] <Thor> and it will automatically work when i start it up agian ?
[09:32] <Pizbit> Once you've install them there you can switch via running gnome-theme-manager
[09:33] <gruberman> Pizbit : ok.. Is there any other package manager in the reps that works that way?
[09:34] <Pizbit> gruberman: You can create a filter in synaptic to show the orphaned packages which you can then select to remove
[09:34] <jdub> gruberman: aptitude does that, but it's a bit hard to use (i think)
[09:35] <gruberman> Ok, I'm used to pacman. Ill try both ways Pizbit and jdub!
[09:35] <Pizbit> jdub: Perhaps synaptic should have the filter by default?
[09:35] <jdub> i must admit, i haven't used it a lot... 8)
[09:36] <jdub> i probably should get used to it
[09:36] <Pizbit> Me neither, but it appears more than just one or two are asking
[09:36] <Thor> piz, where exactly is the themes folder ?
[09:37] <Pizbit> Thor: ~ means your home directory
[09:37] <Thor> im trying to extract the theme, but dont knwo where to extract it to
[09:37] <Pizbit> So look in .themes , it may not exist yet though, in which case you need to create it
[09:37] <Thor> ok
[09:37] <Thor> well
[09:38] <Thor> in Home, ther was only Desktop, and My FOlders
[09:38] <Thor> so i created  Themes folder
[09:38] <Pizbit> . files/folders are hidden so you may need to show them
[09:38] <Mithrandir> lifeless: pong
[09:38] <Pizbit> Thor: In nautilus Edit -> Show hidden files
[09:40] <gruberman> jdub : It looks like aptitude removes deps. and there's something called deborphan that helps with removing deps too.
[09:40] <gruberman> Ah, Ubunti install finished
[09:40] <Thor> yep
[09:40] <Thor> ok the files are in there now
[09:40] <gruberman> or ubuntu rather
[09:40] <Thor> now what do i do ?
[09:41] <Thor> this is a Fluxbox theme btw, and atm its booted into GNOME
[09:42] <Thor> nope, fluxbox theme
[09:43] <thoreauputic> thor, if it's a fluxbox theme, it should go in /usr/share/fluxbox/styles
[09:44] <thoreauputic> thor, read http://fluxbox.org
[09:49] <Thor> i dont see anything there on installing themes :(
[09:51] <Thor> still here ?
[09:52] <thoreauputic> yes
[09:52] <thoreauputic> :)
[09:53] <thoreauputic> Thor, they are just text files, really
[09:53] <Thor> so what do i do ?
[09:54] <Thor> i dloaded the theme, and its got two folders in it
[09:54] <thoreauputic> Thor, first have a look at the directory /usr/share/fluxbox/styles
[09:54] <Thor> yeah, there are like 15 files in there already
[09:55] <Thor> i tried copy/pasting the folders from the theme, but they wont paste into that folder form reason
[09:55] <thoreauputic> thor, you should find the folders you downloaded will just go in there: do they need to be extracted ( are they tar.gz or something?)
[09:56] <Thor> ive already extracted them
[09:56] <thoreauputic> Thor, you might need to do it with root permissions using sudo
[09:56] <Thor> hehe, please explain :)
[09:56] <Thor> open terminal and type sudo root ?
[09:57] <thoreauputic> Thor, what directory do you have them in now? The extracted files?
[09:58] <Thor> umm, home/fluxbox
[09:59] <thoreauputic> Thor, Ok you have that dir open in nautilus, right?
[09:59] <Thor> sorry for this mate, i jsut really suck at this :)
[09:59] <Thor> yep
[09:59] <thoreauputic> it's ok
[10:00] <thoreauputic> Thor, try closing nautilus, then in a terminal type sudo nautilus /home/fluxbox &
[10:00] <thoreauputic> Thor, actually just typing sudo nautilus should be enough for now if you prefer
[10:02] <Thor> yep typed that
[10:02] <Thor> sudo nautlius
[10:02] <thoreauputic> Thor, to explain: if you run nautilus with sudo, you should be able to access and write to any file on your system
[10:02] <thoreauputic> Thor, nautilus (spelling or typo?)
[10:03] <thoreauputic> Thor, has it opened?
[10:03] <Thor> yeah
[10:04] <Thor> so what do i copy into the usr/share/f;uxbox/styles folder ?
[10:04] <Thor> do i copy the folder there, or just that one file thats similar to the ones already in ther e
[10:04] <Thor> ?
[10:05] <thoreauputic> once you have it open, you should be able to do a drag and drop or copy -paste to the  /usr/share/fluxbox/styles dir . Look at the files and see where they should go - probably in the styles dir
[10:05] <Thor> i copied the whole folder into the styles directory
[10:06] <thoreauputic> Thor, it depends on the style - some have two directory entries
[10:06] <Thor> yes, this one does
[10:06] <thoreauputic> Thor, that might work - I don't know which styles you have etc
[10:07] <Thor> i have two folders, one is fluxbox, the other is gtk
[10:07] <thoreauputic> Thor, you might have to do a bit of thinking about it
[10:07] <Thor> inside fluxbox folder there is a styles folder
[10:07] <thoreauputic> the gtk one is to give gtk apps a native look
[10:08] <Thor> inside that folder, there is a file that appears to be similar to the files in the fluxbox styles folder atm
[10:08] <thoreauputic> Thor, it's hard to say without seeing what you actually have
[10:08] <Thor> ok, qn
[10:08] <Thor> how do i load the style ?
[10:08] <thoreauputic> thor, then copy those files into the styles folder
[10:10] <Thor> ok copied
[10:10] <thoreauputic> Thor, when you use fluxbox, those styles should show up in the right-click menu
[10:10] <thoreauputic> under styles, funnily enough ;)
[10:10] <Thor> should i try it ?
[10:10] <thoreauputic> if not, go back and fiddle until they do... yeah try it - why not?
[10:10] <Thor> cos when i last tried fluxbox, it didnt have nay styles in the right click menu
[10:11] <psyklops> I'm running an app and it says it can't find /dev/sequencer, but I look and /dev/sequencer is there, possible causes are?
[10:11] <thoreauputic> Thor, it should - something is wrong otherwise
[10:11] <psyklops> (it actually says "permission denied"
[10:11] <psyklops> wait no...  that was something else I tested...
[10:11] <psyklops> I tried cat'ing something to the sequencer... and got "permission denied"
[10:12] <Thor> in the fluxbox menu ther is only xterm, restart and exit
[10:13] <thoreauputic> Thor, hang on  a minute while I look at my other flux install (on an old box on the network)
[10:13] <Thor> sure :)
[10:14] <thoreauputic> Thor, looks like your menu hasn't been automatically configured on install - that's a dpkg/apt problem
[10:15] <thoreauputic> Thor, you might have to learn to make your own menu - are you willing to try it?
[10:15] <Thor> so what do i do /
[10:15] <thoreauputic> ^^^
[10:15] <Thor> nah :P
[10:15] <thoreauputic> Thor, it isn't hard
[10:15] <Thor> im not skillled enough and i dont got the time
[10:15] <Thor> well, can you run me through it ?
[10:16] <lifeless> Mithrandir: pong
[10:16] <thoreauputic> Thor, I can send you mine, but it will only be a sample - you will just use it as a template
[10:16] <Thor> ok
[10:17] <thoreauputic> Thor, and put it in ~/.fluxbox/menu in your home directory
[10:17] <Thor> actually thoreauputic
[10:17] <thoreauputic> ?
[10:17] <Thor> see my problem is... i havea 466mhz mashine with 64mb ram
[10:18] <thoreauputic> Thor, that isn't a problem :)
[10:18] <Thor> i wnated to get something ot run well on it... and GNOME runs ok, but if there is a way to turnd down its effects, i think it would be goo
[10:18] <thoreauputic> Thor, I have flux on a P200 mmx with 64MB RAM
[10:18] <Thor> hehe, cool
[10:19] <thoreauputic> Thor, do you want me to dcc my menu as an example? Or not?
[10:19] <Thor> i just want that machine to be able to network to this one, and watch movies and eps from this machine
[10:19] <Thor> yes please
[10:19] <Thor> might as well
[10:21] <thoreauputic> Thor, I think that was the right file...
[10:21] <thoreauputic> Thor, I hope ;)
[10:22] <thoreauputic> Thor, it won't work for you as is, but you can edit it and save it in .fluxbox/menu
[10:22] <Thor> whoa
[10:22] <thoreauputic> Thor, it has stuff you won't know about
[10:23] <thoreauputic> Thor, do you want me to give a brief explanation?
[10:23] <Thor> umm, brief, please ;)
[10:24] <iz> lesson numero one how to work with fluxbox :)
[10:24] <thoreauputic> Thor, haha - the [exec]  entries are the commands to launch your apps
[10:24] <thoreauputic> [submenu]  gives you branches to your menu
[10:25] <Thor> ok
[10:25] <thoreauputic> each list has an [end]  entry
[10:25] <Thor> so
[10:26] <thoreauputic> [config]  you just leave as is - [config]  (Configuration) and so on
[10:27] <thoreauputic> Thor, I suggest you make a backup copy called , say, menu.template , then edit to your preferences and save as ~/.fluxbox/menu
[10:27] <thoreauputic> note the dot in .fluxbox
[10:28] <thoreauputic> Thor, consider it your first fluxbox hack ;)
[10:28] <Thor> ahahahah
[10:28] <thoreauputic> Thor, you can use gedit to do the editing, or whatever
[10:28] <Thor> what would happen if i used what you just sent me ?
[10:29] <Mithrandir> lifeless: you pinged me six hours ago or so
[10:30] <thoreauputic> Thor, a lot of it just wouldn't work because it has remote apps with ssh and stuff you probably don't have installed, but at least it would have a styles entry and so on
[10:30] <Thor> thats all i need :)
[10:30] <Thor> isnt it ?
[10:31] <thoreauputic> Thor, well it's a start: but do learn how to edit your menu - it means you can do whatever you want
[10:31] <lifeless> Mithrandir: yes, my amd64 hangs
[10:31] <lifeless> I've files a bug
[10:31] <lifeless> it hangs /hard/
[10:31] <lifeless> can't ping it
[10:32] <Thor> yeah i will
[10:32] <thoreauputic> Thor, welcome to open source, where men are men and files are yours to play with ;)
[10:33] <Thor> ahahah
[10:33] <thoreauputic> Thor, and women are women of course...
[10:33] <Thor> are you onw of the ppl who made ubunut
[10:33] <lifeless> ctrl-scroll lock does nothing
[10:33] <lifeless> alt-sysrq nothing
[10:33] <thoreauputic> Thor, no I'm a 2 year linux luser :)
[10:33] <Pizbit> thoreauputic: Don't forget, the women on irc are either boys or the fbi:)
[10:34] <Pizbit> (With a few fat old men thrown in)
[10:34] <thoreauputic> Pizbit:  or both :)
[10:34] <Pizbit> Heh
[10:34] <Mithrandir> lifeless: ew; same error as last time?
[10:34] <gruberman> Sometimes they are men in funny clothes
[10:34] <lifeless> Mithrandir: I dunno, cause I can't get to the console :|
[10:34] <lifeless> but I presume so :)
[10:36] <Mithrandir> lifeless: hmm, ok, and you didn't do anything special before this?
[10:37] <lifeless> nope
[10:37] <lifeless> nutting special at all.
[10:37] <lifeless> I'm going to try and reproduce the console hang, so I can see if I can get dmesg stuff
[10:38] <Thor> hey thoreauputic
[10:38] <lifeless> also, during the boot, it errors about 'hardware clock inaccessible using all known methods'
[10:39] <Thor> i replaced the menu file in /home/.fluxbox with the one you gave me
[10:39] <Mithrandir> lifeless: echo rtc >> /etc/modules
[10:39] <Thor> and it still shows the same menu
[10:41] <thoreauputic> thor, hmm... that is not good
[10:41] <thoreauputic> thor ok do this
[10:42] <Greensky> are there any ubuntu packages for galeon?
[10:42] <thoreauputic> Thor, hang on a minute - I need to do a bit of a search on the other machine
[10:42] <Thor> ok, no probs
[10:42] <thoreauputic> Greensky, no
[10:43] <Greensky> thoreauputic, any idea how I request that it gets put into universe?
[10:43] <Greensky> or is that not likely to happen?
[10:44] <Pizbit> What's galeon again?
[10:44] <thoreauputic> Thor,  do this : in a terminal, cd ~/.fluxbox
[10:44] <plovs_work> what else do i need to do to et samba working? changed /home settings to readable etc, did sudo  smbpasswd -a username
[10:44] <plovs_work> but i can't login
[10:45] <thoreauputic> Greensky, apparently it wouldn't build properly
[10:45] <Thor> terminal in fluxbox, or gnome ?
[10:45] <Greensky> thoreauputic, yeah, I tried to compile it myself, but it didn't work...
[10:45] <thoreauputic> Thor, either, doean't matter
[10:45] <thoreauputic> Thor: ok are you in .fluxbox?
[10:46] <skar> hi, how do i see a udp data transfer between two computers?
[10:46] <Thor> yep
[10:46] <skar> can i use netstat or iptraf?
[10:46] <Pizbit> skar: Both
[10:47] <thoreauputic> Thor: sudo cp -a menu /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu
[10:47] <plovs_work> anybody got samba working here?
[10:47] <thoreauputic> Thor: run that to copy it to the right file, OK?
[10:47] <Pizbit> plovs_work: Maybe you need a 'valid users = username ' in the share definition, just guessing
[10:48] <Pizbit> plovs_work: Although to be honest I found google the most helpful when trying to setup samba.
[10:48] <Thor> it said "missing destination file"
[10:48] <skar> pizbit:any idea on how to see the udp port which is receiving the packets and the speed at which data is received in iptraf?
[10:48] <thoreauputic> Thor: oh dear
[10:48] <Thor> fluxbox is screwed isnt it ?
[10:49] <Thor> i would use fxce
[10:49] <thoreauputic> Thor: hmm - yours appears to be, yeah
[10:49] <Thor> i htink thats what its called, but it didnt have many settings and samba didnt wokr :P
[10:49] <thoreauputic> Thor:  do this : sudo touch /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu
[10:49] <plovs_work> Pizbit, probably right, and it didn't yet help
[10:51] <Thor> it just wnet ot next line
[10:51] <thoreauputic> Thor: any output from that command?
[10:51] <Thor> did nothing
[10:51] <thoreauputic> Thor: that's good
[10:51] <thoreauputic> Thor: now try   sudo cp -a menu /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu
[10:52] <Thor> menu SPACE /etc yes ?
[10:53] <Thor> or is it menu/etc
[10:53] <thoreauputic> Thor: just as I typed it
[10:53] <thoreauputic> with the space
[10:53] <thoreauputic> the space is crucial
[10:54] <SuperLag> How can you get GRUB to dual-boot Ubuntu with another Linux distro?  I'm using the same format as my other entries, yet GRUB says file not found, when it tries to load the kernek, even though I'm pretty sure I'm looking at the right person
[10:54] <Thor> well, now it did nothing
[10:54] <Thor> just skipped to next line
[10:54] <thoreauputic> Thor: heh - silence is good
[10:54] <Thor> hehe, cool :)
[10:54] <thoreauputic> that means no errors
[10:54] <thoreauputic> Thor now try your menu in flux again - you might need to restart fluxbox
[10:56] <Thor> yay
[10:56] <Thor> the menu and all works
[10:56] <thoreauputic> Thor, wow, and I'm not even surprised :)
[10:56] <Thor> hehe
[10:57] <Thor> so now how do i get the rest of it to work ?
[10:57] <SuperLag> any of you guys dual boot Ubuntu with another Linux distro?
[10:57] <thoreauputic> Thor; but most of the entries will not do anything
[10:57] <thoreauputic> Thor: try playing with a style or two, if they are showing now
[10:57] <Mithrandir> anybody know if SATA DVD burners are supported?
[10:58] <Thor> yep, all the styles work
[10:58] <Thor> so are you saying that now i will have to make my own menu's
[10:58] <thoreauputic> Thor: what this means is that the menu you now edit is in /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu
[10:59] <Thor> to clarify
[10:59] <thoreauputic> Thor: to edit that you will need to start your editoe with sudo
[10:59] <Thor> the themes on the fluxbox site
[10:59] <Thor> they only change the appearnce, and they dont have their own menus ??
[10:59] <thoreauputic> Thor: I can't tell you everything, much as I'd like to...
[10:59] <Thor> hehe
[11:00] <Thor> yeah i know :)
[11:00] <thoreauputic> Thor: they change the appearance, yes
[11:00] <Thor> :(
[11:00] <Thor> i was hoping to get am nu :P
[11:00] <thoreauputic> Thor: to edit the menu, run :   sudo gedit /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu
[11:01] <lifeless> Mithrandir: I can't get it to do anything other than lockup.
[11:01] <lifeless> suggestions ?
[11:01] <Mithrandir> lifeless: kernel debugging isn't my strong side, so not really -- file a bug and get directions from Herbert?
[11:01] <lifeless> bug filed already :p
[11:01] <thoreauputic> Thor: unfortunately it appears the debian installer has not given you a menu so you will have to do some learning
[11:02] <thoreauputic> I mean apt or dpkg, of course
[11:02] <Thor> when i do that comman,d it shows an empty thing
[11:02] <Thor> theres nothing in there
[11:02] <thoreauputic> which command?
[11:02] <Thor> sudo gedit /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxbox-menu
[11:03] <thoreauputic> Thor: well, I don't understand that - here it opens the menu file - maybe a typo?
[11:04] <Thor> it opens the edit thing
[11:04] <thoreauputic> Thor: what does ls /etc/X11/fluxbox/ say
[11:04] <Thor> but hte mun file appears to be epmty
[11:05] <thoreauputic> Thor: did you use a capital X ? and two ones  ? X11
[11:05] <SuperLag> any of you guys dual boot Ubuntu with another Linux distro? I'm trying to get my entry in grub correct, and it follows the convention for my other distros but when I hit Enter on the line for Ubuntu even though the kernel IS there.  Am I missing something?
[11:05] <Thor> nvm
[11:06] <Thor> i opened the menu file manually
[11:06] <thoreauputic> Thor: hard to do all this over IRC :(
[11:06] <SuperLag> Thor: is that to me?
[11:06] <Thor> no superlag
[11:07] <thoreauputic> Thor: ah, OK but you might find you can't write to it unless you started nautilus as sudo nautilus
[11:07] <Thor> this is gonan take a while ;P
[11:07] <thoreauputic> Thor: only root has write permissions to that file
[11:07] <tdjb> superlag: what error do you get?
[11:08] <SuperLag> tdjb: file not found
[11:08] <SuperLag> tdjb: but I KNOW the file is there, and it's named right
[11:09] <tdjb> superlag: and you're sure you have the right root point setup?
[11:09] <thoreauputic> Thor: to find the commands you need for your menu, you do : which <nam-of-program>
[11:09] <SuperLag> The part I'm not sure about is if I'm missing an option for Ubuntu or not...
[11:09] <SuperLag> The other distro is Gentoo, and I tried following that convention, but it didn't work either
[11:09] <SuperLag> sda == Gentoo, sdb == Ubuntu
[11:10] <tdjb> so your gentoo and ubuntu each have a different root "point" then right?
[11:11] <Thor> you in sydney thoreauputic ?
[11:11] <tdjb> like for example on mine i had one setup as hd0,0 and the other would be hd0,1
[11:11] <thoreauputic> Thor, Wollongong (about 85km south of Sydney)
[11:11] <SuperLag> tdjb: in my case, its hd0,0 and hd1,0
[11:12] <tdjb> so those are all ok though?
[11:13] <SuperLag> tdjb: www.linuxlooney.com/grub.conf
[11:17] <Thor> woohoo
[11:17] <tdjb> you don't have your ubuntu kernel in the /boot directory? it's actually in the / directory?
[11:18] <SuperLag> tdjb: it is in /boot, I just modified that... that's Gentoo's weird naming comvention
[11:18] <SuperLag> brb
[11:20] <thoreauputic> Thor: how's it going?
[11:20] <cenerentola> is there any kind of gui ide for mysql [like ms access] ?
[11:22] <elwood> cenerentola,  sure..search on freshmeat.net :)
[11:22] <tdjb> cenerentola: phpmyadmin?
[11:22] <cenerentola> no... id like to make a gui for a database
[11:23] <cenerentola> graphical interface... not for the administration but for the normal us
[11:23] <cenerentola> e
[11:23] <Treenaks> cenerentola: like .. gnomedb?
[11:23] <cenerentola> treenaks: maybe
[11:24] <cenerentola> treenaks: whats it for?
[11:24] <Treenaks> http://directory.fsf.org/devel/specific/gnomedb.html
[11:26] <cenerentola> treenaks: is it like visual c++? can i creat gui with the use of the mice?
[11:27] <cenerentola> another thing.. is there anything to convert all the .doc archives to a linux-compatible format...
[11:27] <Treenaks> cenerentola: gnomedb is just the framework
[11:28] <Treenaks> cenerentola: basically, a generic database library
[11:28] <cenerentola> treenaks: ok and a progams that use it?
[11:28] <jdub> cenerentola: try mergeant
[11:28] <jdub> it's based on gnomedb
[11:28] <jdub> it's a gui like access, only it doesn't have forms yet
[11:29] <Treenaks> and then there's the hordes of people who do database stuff in excell because "Access is too complicated"...
[11:29] <Treenaks> and of course, you don't ask your IT department.. because they'll say "no" anyway
[11:30] <cenerentola> and the thing to convert doc into .compatible
[11:31] <Treenaks> cenerentola: I use wv, send back plain text.. pisses most Word-senders off :)
[11:31] <Treenaks> cenerentola: also, sending a .dvi tends to get the point across ;)
[11:31] <Treenaks> ("DVI stands for device independant... you can't view it? must be a problem with your device then..")
[11:32] <cenerentola> treenaks: what do you mean... sorry but im doing to many things
[11:32] <SuperLag> tdjb: nope
[11:32] <SuperLag> it doesn't work
[11:32] <SuperLag> still says file not found
[11:32] <cenerentola> to have the opportunity to think
[11:32] <thoreauputic> Treenaks: BOFH stuff ... HAHA
[11:32] <gruberman> cenerentola, you could us gnomedb instead of phpmyadmin to set up your db's? Don't want to install phpmyadmin
[11:33] <cenerentola> gruber: no i want a gui creator
[11:33] <gruberman> k
[11:34] <Thor> thoreauputic , iedited the menu
[11:34] <Thor> and added firefox to the list :P
[11:35] <Greensky> has anyone seen this error w/the ati binary drivers: [fglrx]  Maximum main memory to use for locked dma buffers
[11:36] <Treenaks> thoreauputic: hey, it works ;)
[11:36] <thoreauputic> Treenaks: I like your style :)
[11:36] <cenerentola> treenaks: wv? what i cant find the website
[11:41] <tdjb> superlag: what does fdisk -l show?
[11:41] <tmartin> has anyone here been able to use gdb with ubuntu?
[11:42] <tmartin> i just installed ubuntu a few days ago and am trying to get it set up for development but im getting all these errors when compiling programs for use with gdb :(
[11:43] <tmartin> some sorta problem with start.S and i dont know where to begin to fix this
[11:45] <Keybuk> tmartin: do you have build-essential installed?
[11:45] <tmartin> yup
[11:45] <ThreeDayMonk> I've got gnome-pilot working, and I want to install files - but I don't know where I should put them for the file conduit to pick them up
[11:45] <Keybuk> can you /msg me the error you get
[11:48] <tmartin> yes one sec
[11:58] <esrever_otua> hi all
[12:01] <esrever_otua> quick comment on the Totem movie player included with Warty; it doesn't seem to recognise that a *.ogm file is a video file...  I have many *.ogm with the video codec used being XviD and the audio codec vorbis...  It will only play them as audio...
[12:01] <Pizbit> Try changing to totem-xine
[12:02] <Pizbit> Oh, have you got the xvid condecs installed?
[12:02] <ztonzy> hi :)
[12:02] <Pizbit> Hey
[12:03] <esrever_otua> *blinks*  Pizbit how?  (what's the easiest way to do that?) I looked in synaptic; do I need to add a 3rd-party repository?
[12:03] <Pizbit> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:03] <ztonzy> I am new user of Ubuntu and I trying get Totem to view either .mov .wmv or similar types...how to fix it ? havent found any nice fix for it
[12:03] <Pizbit> ztonzy: See the link I just pasted too
[12:03] <wm_eddie> ztonzy: http://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list
[12:03] <esrever_otua> aha, the old patent issues with mpeg4 raise their head?
[12:04] <Pizbit> esrever_otua: Yeah, sucks eh?
[12:04] <esrever_otua> Pizbit: c'est la vie :/
[12:04] <Pizbit> Indeed.
[12:04] <ztonzy> so we aren't allowed to view those :O ?
[12:04] <Pizbit> ztonzy: Did you check out my link?
[12:05] <gruberman> hmm... Isn't nicotine in the repositories any longer?
[12:05] <ztonzy> Pizbit, yes, reading...
[12:06] <ztonzy> hmm
[12:06] <Pizbit> It's actually very simple:)
[12:06] <ztonzy> maybe...but then I am not native in english either
[12:07] <Pizbit> Basically edit /etc/apt/sources.list to include 'deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main' then run 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get install w32codecs'
[12:07] <Pizbit> Drop the sudo if you're already root hehe
[12:07] <ztonzy> ah
[12:07] <esrever_otua> Pizbit: good link, what I've always found odd is how hard it is to find a good sample sources.list from the debian main page :)
[12:08] <Pizbit> esrever_otua: Yeah, debian.org is a bit of a hassle to get infomation out of
[12:08] <srocc> hi@all
[12:08] <esrever_otua> hi srocc
[12:08] <srocc> hab da ein seltsames Problem:
[12:09] <srocc> gerade ubuntu installiert, hat auch alle funktioniert, doch nun hngt er sich nach dem einlggen auf
[12:09] <srocc> bzw macht einfach nicht weiter
[12:09] <Pizbit> srocc: Do you know english?
[12:09] <esrever_otua> on the ++ side, I'm fully impressed with ubuntu and will probably be installing for my father this Christmas when I replace his computer for him.
[12:09] <srocc> Pizbit: sry
[12:09] <ztonzy> Pizbit, thanks for help
[12:10] <srocc> okay, i hade installed ubuntu an halfe our again
[12:10] <srocc> (excuse my bad english)
[12:10] <esrever_otua> Astonishingly, it actually gets the ATI fglrx drivers working (most of the time ;)
[12:10] <wm_eddie> I can't wait to get my Ubuntu CDs I'm going to give them away to everybody.
[12:10] <ztonzy> hhm does this require totem-xine or totem-gstreamer ?
[12:11] <srocc> if i log in, the login screen don't come and i cannot enter the gnome desktop
[12:11] <esrever_otua> wm_eddie: heh, yep.
[12:11] <srocc> gdm works
[12:11] <Pizbit> ztonzy: I recommend totem-xine, it seems to work better or so I've heard, personally I use straight xine
[12:11] <esrever_otua> srocc: off a clean install?
[12:11] <afanian> hi everyone
[12:11] <esrever_otua> Pizbit: xine rocks.
[12:11] <wm_eddie> srocc: Does gnome complain about the .ICEauthority file?
[12:12] <srocc> esrever_otua: je i hade logged in one time and no it don't work
[12:12] <ztonzy> Pizbit, I have tried to locate it...but not been able to find totem-xine :-\
[12:12] <Pizbit> ztonzy: Have you enabled universe?
[12:12] <afanian> got a problem with installing the ubuntu
[12:12] <srocc> Pizbit: yes at the moment
[12:12] <esrever_otua> srocc: if you create a new user and log in with them does it work OK?
[12:12] <ztonzy> Pizbit no...I see now I havent
[12:12] <Pizbit> ztonzy: Yeah, enable then apt-get update again
[12:12] <srocc> esrever_otua: no it don't i get an error in /var/log/messages *mom*
[12:13] <esrever_otua> srocc: what video card do you use?
[12:13] <srocc> esrever_otua: nvidia
[12:13] <afanian> got a problem with installing the ubuntu, i can't install the base system
[12:13] <ztonzy> Pizbit, if I install totem-xine...it also seems to remove totem-gstreamer and uh!  ubuntu-desktop...should it be like that ?
[12:13] <afanian> i get the error 1, aftet 22% completiong
[12:14] <esrever_otua> srocc: with the nvidia driver, or the xorg builtin driver?
[12:14] <Pizbit> ztonzy: ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package, it doesn't hurt to go away, the totem-gstreamer has to go:)
[12:14] <Pizbit> totem-xine replaces totem-gstreamer :)
[12:14] <ztonzy> Pizbit, ok...so I am safe :D
[12:15] <srocc> esrever_otua: the standard driver
[12:15] <wm_eddie> srocc: My problem with not being able to log in was that ~/.ICEauthority didn't have the correct permissions. You might want to check that if it's not a problem with your video card driver.
[12:15] <wm_eddie> And now I go to sleep. it's 6am...
[12:16] <deFrysk> wm_eddie, that has to do with installing k3b
[12:16] <srocc> wm_eddie: okay, i will look
[12:16] <HauntedUnix> afanian: Please, keep conversation in #ubuntu. However i'm sure asking the channel your question will produce all the answers you need
[12:16] <deFrysk> nothing to do with nv drivers
[12:16] <wm_eddie> deFrysk: Ahhh ok...
[12:16] <afanian> got a problem with installing the ubuntu, i can't install the base system
[12:16] <afanian> i get the error 1, aftet 22% completiong
[12:16] <Pizbit> afanian: Did the cd burn properly?
[12:17] <afanian> yeah
[12:17] <afanian> everything goes ok untill that
[12:17] <esrever_otua> deFrysk: probably not, I asked as i've had problem like that with gnome+ati card *shrugs* :)
[12:17] <srocc> wm_eddie: -rw------ are the rights of this file
[12:17] <ztonzy> Pizbit, thanks! it works :D
[12:17] <srocc> the owner is srocc and i logg in as srocc
[12:18] <Pizbit> ztonzy: No probs:)
[12:19] <srocc> there ist a problem with gconf.xml.mandatory
[12:19] <srocc> is the message of /var/log/messages
[12:19] <deFrysk> srocc did you use aanything other then the defaults during install ?
[12:20] <afanian> Pizbit : the cd did burn properly, and other things work properly till then
[12:20] <srocc> h
[12:20] <srocc> m
[12:20] <srocc> deFrysk: i made an /boot partition
[12:20] <fishytimlong> how does one change the screen resolution? I know my video card/screen can handle more than 1024x768, but in the change resolution window, i don't get any better options.
[12:20] <srocc> and a swap parition by hand
[12:21] <deFrysk> srocc, I ment during the sec part of the install (after reboot)
[12:21] <srocc> no i don't think so
[12:21] <Treenaks> fishytimlong: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and select "medium" or "advanced" monitor configuration.. and select the resolutions you want
[12:21] <Pizbit> afanian: cd still may not have burnt properly, any errors in alt+F1 onwards?
[12:22] <deFrysk> do you have a seperate /home partition srocc ?
[12:22] <srocc> deFrysk: no
[12:22] <deFrysk> srocc, the default setup should work fine
[12:22] <DXT> is there a standalone application for gnome such as the gdesklets starterbar? osx style thingie :)
[12:22] <srocc> it doesn't
[12:22] <deFrysk> srocc, no clue
[12:22] <srocc> hm
[12:23] <srocc> i make an update atm
[12:23] <srocc> i hope it will work
[12:23] <afanian> Pizbit: ok, sorry i'm a total begginer, alt+f1, what does that do and where can i check that?
[12:23] <Pizbit> afanian: alt+f1 or alt+f2 should change what you're looking at and might show some errors
[12:25] <afanian> Pizbit: it says it exits with error 1, does that mean anything to you?
[12:25] <fishytimlong> Treenaks: thanks
[12:25] <Pizbit> nope
[12:26] <afanian> so you think it's probably the cd then?
[12:27] <deFrysk> afanian, does the sreen turn red ?
[12:27] <deFrysk> during the error ?
[12:27] <deFrysk> screen
[12:28] <deFrysk> afanian, cleaning the disk might help
[12:30] <afanian> no it just aborts, and gives the red message saying it couldn't complete it
[12:30] <afanian> and exits with error 1
[12:30] <esrever_otua> srocc: possibly the installer b0rked the permissions on that file? (/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory) or maybe the cd is a bad burn?
[12:30] <fishytimlong> can you recommend a decent c++ IDE that works well with ubuntu? (I'm quite a linux noobie, though i used kdevelop breifly)...usually do all my development on MSVC++)
[12:31] <arun--> ubuntu is great, i am very happy with it
[12:31] <afanian> Pizbit: if it's the cd, can i find it out from the alt+F1 or F2?
[12:32] <arun--> but i have a minor problem with the laptop cooling fan
[12:32] <Pizbit> nope
[12:32] <arun--> it runs all the time even if the temperature is 43 C
[12:32] <arun--> any idea?
[12:32] <Daenzello> hi people, i wish to start some soft (xbindkeys, idesk) at the start of X, any idea of th do that ? (something like ~/.Xprofile with the slackware's gdm)
[12:33] <afanian> ok, i'll try installing it again and then come back
[12:33] <Aard> Daenzello: .xinitrc, .xsession, depending on the way you start X
[12:33] <afanian> thanks for the time Pizbit
[12:33] <afanian> :D
[12:34] <Daenzello> if i add "/usr/bin/xbindkeys &" to .xsession gnome doesnt start -_- is there a syntaxe to use ?
[12:35] <srocc> okay i see the problem
[12:35] <mdz> Daenzello: computer->desktop preferences->sessions->startup programs
[12:36] <Daenzello> ah coool
[12:36] <Daenzello> i use gnome since yesterday ^^
[12:36] <srocc> on /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.default on position  0 ist only geadebl
[12:36] <srocc> readabl
[12:37] <arun--> can someone please answer my questoin? thank you
[12:43] <esrever_otua> arun--: how new/old is laptop?
[12:44] <arun--> esrever_otua: it is pretty new, i would say about 10 months .. it is IBM Think Pad T41
[12:46] <esrever_otua> arun--: hmmm.  I have IBM R40 lappy with 2.6.8 kernel (the laptop runs Fedora).  Everything seems to work OK for me...  does this command give you output?:::: 'cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature'
[12:48] <gruberman> Does anyone know about any good trackers for linux?
[12:49] <arun--> esrever_otua: yes it returns "temperature    42 C"
[12:52] <esrever_otua> arun--: then acpi works ok, so it has no excuse... :( what about::::: 'cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/trip_points'
[12:54] <burnboy> how can i find out what driver is being used for my network card?
[12:55] <Pizbit> gruberman: trackers?
[12:55] <arun--> esrever_otua: critical (S5): 93 C
[12:55] <arun--> esrever_otua: passive: 90 C: tc1=5 tc2=4 tsp=600 devices=0xeff5e4c0
[12:57] <arun--> esrever_otua: the fan is not loud or anything, but it rarely runs under winxp unless the cpu or the hardisk is stressed, but in ubuntu, it always runs
[12:57] <gruberman> Pizbit, oldchool way of making music. linux isn't exactly on top when it comes to music production ;)
[01:00] <lml> I am trying to get transcode on my Ubuntu box. I have found transcode in the marillat repo, but when trying to apt-get it I get and error that libjasper cannot be found. Any ideas?
[01:01] <Aard> lml: the marrilat mplayer binaries suck a bit, imo it's better to build it from scratch. follow the docs at the mplayer homepage.
[01:02] <lml> Aard: That is the other thing, I have been trying to compile transcode from scratch, but am having trouble getting a working development environment.
[01:02] <lml> Aard: Something about the preprocessor is not sane.
[01:05] <Aard> lml: tried to upgrade the gcc-package? are _all_ packages needed for gcc installed?
[01:05] <esrever_otua> arun--: there is definitely something wrong; according to the stuff you have checked, it shouldn't be aggressively cooling until 90oC... :-/
[01:05] <iminj> Anyone able to use gaim to access irc? It won't connect for me ... ( using X-Chat now)
[01:05] <lml> Aard: I think so, should I remove old version of gcc?
[01:06] <Aard> lml: I got that problem using debian sid some time ago on several boxes. IIRC they fucked up some dependencies, installing an aditional gcc-package solved it. I can't remember exactly what I did, maybe it would be best to remove gcc, install it again, and hope that deps will work this time...
[01:06] <arun--> esrever_otua: i also noticed that during ubuntu boot up, when the pci_hotplug module is trying to be loaded, the fan starts, and it doesnt stop after that, do you think if there is any link, i dont need hotplugin feature, may be i should stop loading the pci_hotplug and check it
[01:08] <vinsci> lml, you can have multiple gcc versions installed at the same time
[01:09] <esrever_otua> arun--: now that's *really* odd... could it be stomping on the acpi somehow?  hmmm very interesting.... certainly turn off its loading and see if problem goes away, definitely...  a laptop shouldn't need that module, I wouldn't think  ( I know I don't use it...)
[01:11] <esrever_otua> burnboy: 'lsmod' and guess... ;-)  or you might get lucky and find it aliased in /etc/modprobe.conf
[01:16] <arun--> esrever_otua: when i did a /etc/init.d/hotplug stop,
[01:16] <arun--> my usb mouse died :), but no change in the fan
[01:17] <cenerentola> sorry how does the dist-upgrade work under synaptic?
[01:18] <arun--> how to unload the module pci_hotplug ?
[01:18] <cenerentola> rrmod
[01:18] <cenerentola> sorryu
[01:18] <deFrysk> cenerentola, smart-update = dist-upgrade
[01:18] <cenerentola> where's it
[01:19] <deFrysk> *smart-upgrade
[01:19] <cenerentola> no its not rmmod
[01:19] <cenerentola> smart-upgrade: ive got the italian one...
[01:19] <cenerentola> where's it in the gui?
[01:20] <cenerentola> ahhh
[01:20] <cenerentola> got it..
[01:20] <cenerentola> and what does do it?
[01:20] <zenwhen> "Not that!" growled the lesbian grandmother as the nose-grooming chicken flicker grudge fucked her rosebud knockers and slid his rigid one-eyed wonder worm into her grateful slit.
[01:20] <zenwhen> oops
[01:20] <zenwhen> sorry
[01:20] <Tomcat_> LOL
[01:20] <Tomcat_> BASH!
[01:21] <cenerentola> i mean it upgrade to warty final... o hoary?
[01:21] <jdub> cenerentola: it won't upgrade to hoary unless you use the hoary repository
[01:21] <jdub> cenerentola: 'smart upgrade' just does some extra things to make all the packages upgrade right
[01:21] <jdub> cenerentola: i'd recommend using it all the time
[01:22] <Tomcat_> Oh... it's a program... damn.
[01:22] <deFrysk> I'd never use it
[01:29] <esrever_otua> arun--: do an lsmod and look for ones with pci in them... I don't know the names of the modules themselves...
[01:30] <esrever_otua> i gotta go for now (00:30am here ;) night all.
[01:33] <Pizbit> Nuts, some guy has sent the same email to the user list three times
[01:35] <cenerentola> and if id like to try the hoary... is there any kind of iso's or should i install the warthy and then add the hoary repositories?
[01:38] <Pizbit> I'd wait a while before tyring hoary
[01:38] <Pizbit> trying*
[01:38] <cenerentola> pizbit: why?
[01:38] <cenerentola> iso or repositories?
[01:40] <Pizbit> Lotsa stuff going on, I'd wait for it to settle down a bit.
[01:40] <Pizbit> Besides, from what I saw on the user list it's gonna be a while before the fun stuff gets into it.
[01:41] <cenerentola> ok... but how can i install it'
[01:43] <cenerentola> who knows a nice rar archive handler for linux.. said that unrar doesnt unpack the archive im trying to unpack
[01:45] <Pizbit> You change the sources.list where it says warty to hoary
[01:45] <jdub> cenerentola: strongly recommend you don't use hoary
[01:46] <jdub> cenerentola: it is a development branch, right at the beginning, it's going to break all over the place
[01:59] <plasmo> weee im playing counterstrike on ubuntu :D
[01:59] <L|nu}{> weeee :D
[01:59] <plasmo> ^^
[01:59] <L|nu}{> hehe..
[01:59] <plasmo> ahh this is the stuff lol
[02:00] <plasmo> dont need to dual boot windows now
[02:01] <cardador> plasmo: which cs? cs source??
[02:01] <gruberman> plasmo, I feel sorry for you ;)
[02:01] <plasmo> cs 1.6
[02:01] <plasmo> :)
[02:02] <plasmo> ill get cs source when halflife2 comes out
[02:04] <Evil2000> hi
[02:05] <plasmo> hello
[02:06] <Evil2000> are there cvs builds of multisync?
[02:06] <Evil2000> i've only found some for debian sid so far, and they don't work
[02:07] <ahood> Hi All
[02:08] <ahood> I am about to recommend to a friend to try out Ubuntu (his WindowsXP has had major problems after installing SP2 and is looking for something better). However, I am concerned about dual boot problems with Ubuntu and WinXP.
[02:10] <ahood> I am reading quite a few posts at the Ubuntu forums that users cannot boot into WinXP after installing Ubuntu. Can anyone provide additional information on how to avoid this issue?
[02:11] <stuNNed> ahood, you need to edit grub.conf after installing ubuntu and add an entry for winxp, i used the example in that file and it worked find for a friend of mine
[02:11] <cardador> stuNNed: the ubuntu installer does that automatically
[02:12] <ahood> stuNNed: the example is in the grub.conf file, correct?
[02:12] <hazmat> anyone know how to mount a firewire drive under ubuntu?
[02:12] <BrianB04> MOrning all
[02:13] <netmonk> stuNNed, where is the grug.conf located?
[02:13] <hazmat> i used to be able to mount my ipod as a firewire drive, but the spb2 module isn't recognizing it as disk since i updated it.
[02:13] <hazmat> er. updated ubuntu
[02:15] <cenerentola> something to convert outlook express dbx to mbox or other evolution compatible
[02:15] <stuNNed> netmonk, ahood: sorry it's menu.lst in /boot for ubuntu
[02:15] <netmonk> oks, 10x
[02:15] <Pizbit>  /boot/grub/
[02:16] <stuNNed> yes
[02:16] <stuNNed> ahood, netmonk: /boot/grub dir actually
[02:16] <tuxx> Hello ppl
[02:16] <netmonk> yes, 10x
[02:17] <urukhai> hi
[02:17] <ahood> stuNNed: Thanks too.
[02:17] <ka24> ahood: i had no problems with it on a winxp home box
[02:18] <visor> hi folks
[02:18] <tuxx> Does anyone have a rocksolid guide for installing nvidia on Ubuntu 4.10 ?
[02:19] <ahood> ks24: Thanks, good to hear.
[02:19] <tuxx> I seem to find the files in apt-get but it seems not to be activated uppon install
[02:19] <visor> tuxx: synaptic does it
[02:19] <tuxx> visor yeah but despite the fact that they are installed they're not activate. I prob. do something wrong but what?
[02:20] <visor> btw, anyone knows how to enable services in ubuntu? i cant connect ssh, or can someone give me a uri to read please?
[02:20] <netmonk> how can I get programs listed in the Applications menu?
[02:20] <visor> tuxx: have you changed already the module name in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ?
[02:20] <ka24> netmonk: go to applications:// in nautilus and create your shortcuts
[02:21] <plasmo> tux: mm if its not activated then try in terminal 'nvidia-glx-config'
[02:21] <visor> netmonk: they need to have a .desktop file within them, if they dont, then you have to write one and put them on gnome apps directory
[02:21] <netmonk> oki, 10x
[02:21] <jpvcx> tuxx: did you do this after the install(assuming you used the ubuntu package): sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[02:21] <netmonk> :)
[02:21] <tuxx> plasmo ok. Just to verify I have all installed - which pakages should I have installed? I have the nvidia-glx but do I need more?
[02:22] <tuxx> jpvcx no I didn't. Maybe that'll do the trick
[02:22] <plasmo> dunno ;x
[02:23] <jpvcx> tux:after that hit ctrl+alt and backspace
[02:23] <tuxx> jpvcx, do I need to shutdown X first?
[02:23] <visor> so how does one enable services like sshd ? :)
[02:23] <rufus> register
[02:23] <ka24> vincent: more than likely just install the ssh server package
[02:23] <tuxx> jpvcx I'll give it a try.. this 60Hz is giving me a major headache :-)
[02:25] <visor> uhmm no, indeed i have it already installed but i read once in a site that ubuntu disables all services, i dont know where i read that but i did, and the fact is that i dont know how to set those services up
[02:25] <Keybuk> visor: install openssh-server
[02:26] <visor> uhmmm
[02:26] <visor> okey, then sshd isnt installed by default
[02:26] <Keybuk> indeed
[02:26] <visor> i dint noticed
[02:26] <visor> thanks
[02:26] <visor> let me see
[02:26] <Keybuk> installed servers start automatically
[02:27] <tuxx> jpvcx, it worked! How could I have missed that single command... thanks
[02:27] <visor> stupid me, its just im not used to debian
[02:28] <jpvcx> tuxx:np
[02:28] <visor> other distros just bundle everything in one single package
[02:28] <plasmo> bloat :)
[02:28] <plasmo> oh wait -_-
[02:29] <visor> oh and btw i been having a lot of problems mounting smb shares not just in ubuntu but in any distro with samba 3.x anyone of you had something like me ?
[02:29] <Keybuk> that's actually an extra Ubuntu split; but yes, Debian does tend to split packages more than rpm based distros
[02:30] <Keybuk> dunno, samba for me is like the little girl with a curl on her for'ed
[02:30] <Keybuk> some days it's very, very nice and just works
[02:30] <Keybuk> and other days...  well
[02:30] <visor> haha
[02:30] <Keybuk> though, from what I gather, that's true of Windows-only networks as well
[02:30] <broonie> Are there any known stability problems with the PowerPC kernels? I'm experienceing frequent hard luckups.
[02:30] <tuxx> How would I enable my cdrw-burner? cdrecord gives me something 'bout  No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver
[02:31] <visor> yeah, but i think its the smbfs module in the kernel, if i access the shares trough gnome-vfs (nautilus) then everything works fine, but mounting them hangs too much at random times
[02:31] <visor> errors like: "smb_add_request [hex addres] : Timed out"
[02:31] <visor> lots of them
[02:32] <visor> same in suse, redhat... everything that runs samba 3.x seems to have the same problem
[02:33] <dje_> how to set environement variable ? i 've edited my .bash_profile but it's don't work
[02:33] <thoreauputic> dje_: /etc/profile
[02:33] <Pizbit> dje_: Are you exporting it?
[02:33] <ahood> Okay, I have searched the ubuntu forums and wiki for more information on editing the menu.lst file. However, I don't see an example of the exact change that will enable dual booting with WinXP (I am a linux noobie and in case I have this problem). Can anyone suggest where I can look for the exact change to make in menu.lst?
[02:34] <Pizbit> dje_: ie: export $MYENVVAR=stuff
[02:34] <dje_> yes but i want to change this only for my user not system wide
[02:34] <stvn> ahood: you know which partition windows is located?
[02:34] <sven-eric> Hi there! Does anybody know how to edit the mainmenu? I know how to add and remove program-icons, but how do i edit the first-level categories and icons?
[02:34] <Pizbit> dje_: Right, but you put that in *your* .bashrc and it'll only work for you
[02:34] <dje_> yes
[02:34] <ahood> stvn: yes, hda1
[02:35] <sven-eric> In gnome 2.8, i forgot to say :)
[02:35] <dje_> i'm exporting it, i made an export $path but it doesn't work
[02:35] <Pizbit> sven-eric: Ubuntu only has gnome2.8 :)
[02:35] <stvn> ahood: normally, uncommenting the example in menu.lst should work
[02:36] <visor> ahood: you cant boot windows xp?
[02:36] <stvn> ahood: hda1 == (hd0,0)
[02:37] <ahood> stvn visor: Thanks for the replies. I have not actually installed Ubuntu, but rather, I am trying to anticipate a possible problem I might encounter based on info I got from the Ubuntu forums.
[02:37] <Pizbit> dje_: Why did you try to offer dcc chat?
[02:38] <Pizbit> You should always ask before trying that too.:P
[02:38] <visor> ahood: then dont be afraid, ubuntu automatically added an entry to my menu.lst of my xp pro partition
[02:38] <dje_> ok i'm a newby in irc world
[02:38] <visor> ahood: remember, its ubuntu, not pure debian :), ubuntu its like debian, just desktop xD
[02:39] <ohgood> hmm, So ubuntu has an updated libparted, that doesn't screw wincrap partition tables ?
[02:39] <Pizbit> sven-eric: Dangit, I know there's something in the wiki about that, somewhere
[02:40] <ka24> sven-eric: go to applications:// in nautilus
[02:40] <dje_> pizbit: so how can i export my environement varibles just for my user ?
[02:41] <Pizbit> dje_: I've already told you
[02:41] <Pizbit> Put it into your .bashrc the one in your home directory
[02:41] <ahood> visor: Thanks for the encouragement (hehe)
[02:42] <Pizbit> Heh, the wiki is broken:)
[02:42] <dje_> Pizbit : this does not work, it's why i ask if ubuntu has something special with .bash-profile
[02:42] <ka24> heh, from the looks of things.. ubuntu is getting all the lifetime windows users
[02:42] <Pizbit> Put two things into the second box http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FindPage
[02:42] <Pizbit> dje_: It does work
[02:42] <sven-eric> That did it - thanks Pizbit and ka24!
[02:42] <ahood> stn visor: Also, if all I have to do is uncomment a few lines in menu.lst, that doesn't seem very hard.
[02:42] <stvn> ahood: ubuntu will install ubuntu just fine, so you can always use ubuntu if cp doesn't work anymore :P
[02:42] <ka24> dje_: it's not bash-profile, it's bash_profile
[02:43] <stvn> ahood: most of the time it works straight out of the box, but sometimes it doesn't and uncommenting works, and in a rare case that doesn't work either and you've to dive deeper to solve it
[02:44] <Pizbit> sven-eric: Founf it hehe: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#head-17eca0f11b06e5e4489700e0d0ce4e3f5a07090e
[02:45] <netmonk> why is it that I can't execute executable files?
[02:45] <stvn> netmonk: hundreds of different reasons possible
[02:45] <ohgood> stvn: ohhh hehe, cp=hexp i guess. ya, lotsa folks i would imagine once dual-booted, realize they don't use hexp anymore, mke2fs it ;)
[02:45] <cardador> netmonk: you mean .exe files?
[02:45] <netmonk> no
[02:45] <netmonk> I mean openoffice 1.1.3
[02:46] <netmonk> or install j2rsomething.sh
[02:46] <stvn> netmonk: what are you trying to do?
[02:46] <ka24> try sh ./jr2hwatever
[02:46] <netmonk> I'm trying to install openoffice 1.1.3
[02:46] <sven-eric> Thanks :)
[02:47] <stvn> netmonk: where did you get it from?
[02:47] <ahood> stvn: Thanks!
[02:47] <stvn> ahood: NP
[02:47] <stvn> hm caps
[02:47] <cardador> netmonk: sudo apt-get openoffice should give you 1.1.2
[02:47] <cardador> apt-get install*
[02:47] <netmonk> from the official mirror, I need this version because with 1.1.2 I can't spell in bulgarian
[02:48] <stvn> netmonk: sure it is not just a lack of bulgarian language packs?
[02:48] <dsa> greets
[02:48] <ahood> I also have another system that has Windows98SE and Xandros2. Currently this system uses LILO. I have plenty of space on this system for a third linux distribution. How will Ubuntu install on a system that has lilo?
[02:49] <dsa> can anyone tell me how to do a initrd for the 2.6.9 kernel?
[02:49] <netmonk> no, with 1.1.2 you can't set the language to Bulgarian - no such option, and because of that you can't spell. they changed it in 1.1.3
[02:49] <stvn> ahood: it will replace lilo with grub, AFAIK there's no choice offered
[02:49] <thoreauputic> netmonk: if you are trying to run a script from the dir it is in, put ./script
[02:49] <stvn> netmonk: oh ok, and so you downloaded the installer from oo.org?
[02:49] <ahood> stvn: Will the replacement prevent me from booting into Xandros?
[02:50] <cardador> ahood: normally ubuntu will add xandros and windows to the boot loader
[02:50] <stvn> ahood: probably not, it will recognise it - at least it recognised my installed dfebian system and offered me to boot to it
[02:50] <netmonk> yes stvn
[02:51] <dje_> pizbit: i checked again my .bash-profile and restarted my session : this doesn't work. This worked quite well with Fedora. Can you have a look at my file ?
[02:51] <netmonk> obviously i don't have some permissions on my ubuntu
[02:51] <stvn> netmonk: did you check if it has executable permissions?
[02:51] <lml> Is there a simple way to set up an entire c/c++ development platform in Ubuntu? Like one meta package that has dependecies to all that is needed?
[02:51] <ahood> cardador stvn: Thanks for the info.
[02:51] <Pizbit> dje_: Dude, it's either .bash_profile or .bashrc , it can only be one of those two, NOT .bash-profile
[02:52] <stvn> netmonk: do chmod +x <openoffice installer>
[02:52] <dje_> excuse i mean .bash_profile
[02:52] <thoreauputic> lml: try apt-gat install build-essential
[02:52] <cardador> lml: check anjuta
[02:52] <thoreauputic> *apt-get
[02:53] <stvn> hm bulgarian is hard to read
[02:53] <thoreauputic> cardador: won't help if he doesn't have compilers etc
[02:53] <cardador> thoreauputic: but i guess anjuta has all the required dependencies
[02:53] <cardador> at least im able to compile c and c++
[02:54] <dje_> Pizbit : JAVA_HOME=/opt/java      export JAVA_HOME        ...doesn't work !
[02:54] <ahood> After installing Ubuntu, what is the procedure for uninstalling it? Delete the partition that has Ubuntu and erase the mbr?
[02:54] <Pizbit> dje_: You're forgetting the $
[02:54] <Pizbit> dje_: Just export $JAVA_HOME=/opt/java
[02:55] <Aard> Pizbit: without $
[02:55] <thoreauputic> cardador: they are under "Recommends" in apt-cache depends anjuta
[02:55] <stvn> ahood: dunno, never met anyone who wanted to uninstallit ;) - but yes i think so
[02:55] <Pizbit> Aard: Oh yeah, only the $ if you set then export, I'm a bit rusty:)
[02:56] <dje_> pizbit: ok i'ill try.... How can i test it without restarting my session ?
[02:56] <Pizbit> dje_: Just open a new terminal and echo $JAVA_HOME
[02:57] <ahood> stvn: HEHE! If I erase the mbr, is there a way to restore lilo to boot into Xandros?
[02:57] <netmonk> stvn i did that but for some reason it won't let me execute files...
[02:57] <ka24> dje_: what terminal program are you using?
[02:57] <stvn> ahood: best way is to use xandros rescue/install disc
[02:58] <stvn> netmonk: how did you try to execute it and what's the error?
[02:58] <ka24> hence no profiles get read
[02:58] <netmonk> sh ./install
[02:58] <netmonk> line 137: permission denied
[02:58] <ahood> stvn: That makes sense. I do believe Xandros installation CD should restore the lilo bootloader, now that you mention it. Thanks!
[02:58] <cardador> netmonk: try sudo sh install
[02:59] <stvn> netmonk: can you paste the result of ls -l install
[03:00] <netmonk> -rwxr-xr-x    1 netmonk  netmonk      3601 2004-09-10 15:41 install
[03:00] <netmonk> -rwxr-xr-x    1 netmonk  netmonk      7700 2004-09-10 15:32 LICENSE
[03:00] <netmonk> -rwxr-xr-x    1 netmonk  netmonk      8244 2004-09-10 15:32 LICENSE.html
[03:00] <netmonk> -rwxr-xr-x    1 netmonk  netmonk     13982 2004-09-10 15:32 README
[03:00] <netmonk> -rwxr-xr-x    1 netmonk  netmonk     12733 2004-09-10 15:31 README.html
[03:00] <netmonk> -rwxr-xr-x    1 netmonk  netmonk     84316 2004-01-31 07:21 setup
[03:00] <netmonk> -rw-r--r--    1 netmonk  netmonk   1209373 2004-02-29 10:15 SETUP_GUIDE.pdf
[03:00] <netmonk> -rw-r--r--    1 netmonk  netmonk    469541 2004-09-15 06:03 setup.ins
[03:00] <netmonk> -rw-r--r--    1 netmonk  netmonk    169686 2003-09-17 12:02 THIRDPARTYLICENSEREA
[03:00] <stvn> hmz
[03:01] <dje_> pizbit : i tried  export $JAVA_HOME=/opt/java      it doesn't work anymore. What can i do ????
[03:01] <stvn> netmonk: right, do as cardador suggested
[03:01] <Pizbit> dje_: Someone else said to drop the $ sign when doing it that way
[03:01] <ka24> hehe
[03:01] <ahood> I tried out the Oct 13 edition of the Ubuntu LiveCD! and had two major issues with it. First, the search option under 'Computer' was missing. The second was that the Device Manager would not launch. Are these working in the Oct 22 livecd edition?
[03:01] <dje_> you mean    export JAVA_HOME=/opt/java     ?
[03:02] <Pizbit> yeah
[03:02] <ka24> ubuntu has more documentation on the site than most any linux distribution and still you get this
[03:02] <stvn> ahood: dunno, don't have the livecd
[03:02] <ka24> maybe an effort should be made to hide the irc channel in the documentation ;)
[03:02] <stvn> heh
[03:02] <Pizbit> ka24: Re the hanging thing, I was referring to the pasting.
[03:03] <netmonk> stvn
[03:03] <netmonk> i got it now
[03:03] <ka24> i figured
[03:03] <ahood> stvn: I will try it and if so, I will post a forum message thanking the developers for fixing this.
[03:03] <Pizbit> Even since I asked someone to put the pastebin link into the topic several people just keep pasting >.<
[03:03] <netmonk> obviosly i was trying to install from a partition that i didn't have serten rights
[03:03] <ka24> you'll never make them read the topic
[03:03] <Pizbit> Yeah, one can always hope though
[03:03] <ka24> have to beat them over the head with it
[03:03] <Pizbit> s/hope/dream
[03:04] <stvn> Pizbit: I asked specifically for a paste of ls -l install, knowing that it's just one line, but ah well...
[03:04] <netmonk> after i moved the folder into /home it worked
[03:04] <netmonk> ;)
[03:04] <gruberman> hmmm... grep is really nice to have
[03:04] <thoreauputic> Pizbit: heh- you expect people to actually read the /topic? ;)
[03:04] <Pizbit> stvn: Yeah I saw that:)
[03:04] <netmonk> 10x for the help, guys
[03:04] <Pizbit> stvn: Knew exactly what you wanted too
[03:04] <stvn> netmonk: no it is trying to install it self in stuff like /usr/bin etc where only a root may write
[03:04] <Pizbit> thoreauputic: Am I old fashioned?:)
[03:04] <dje_> pizbit : no more result. i'm afraid i'll have to switch on Fedora
[03:04] <cenerentola> hey ... so a rar - client for linux?
[03:05] <ka24> lol
[03:05] <thoreauputic> Pizbit: hehe ... no just idealistic I guess :)
[03:05] <Pizbit> dje_: man bash
[03:05] <stvn> Pizbit: yeah, nowadays nobody reads *at all*
[03:05] <ka24> cenerentola: several.
[03:05] <Pizbit> stvn: Damn, and I'm only 18.
[03:05] <cardador> cenerentola: sudo apt-get install rar-nonfree
[03:05] <stvn> Pizbit: you prolly grew up in a protected environment ;)
[03:06] <ka24> unrar should be a gpl one i think
[03:06] <Pizbit> stvn: Hardly :)
[03:06] <stvn> one with books, you know those analogue read only data containers without search function
[03:06] <ka24> no idea what the apt name is for it tho
[03:06] <dje_> pizbit : yhios .bash_profile worked perfectly on Fedora. I used only standard instruction. Why on hell, couldn't i export env var ?
[03:06] <cenerentola> yeah but unrar doesnt work properly
[03:06] <cardador> cenerentola: sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree
[03:06] <Pizbit> A bookcase, over 900 sci-fi books...
[03:06] <gruberman> stvn, they're great but consumes too much memory
[03:07] <ka24> dje_: my bet? you're using gnome terminal and dont have login shell checked. As i said earlier.
[03:07] <gruberman> stvn, and you can't compress them either
[03:07] <cenerentola> cardador: why -nonfree.. it wont work
[03:07] <stvn> the trouble with books is that you can read them only at 1.0x speed, so slow
[03:07] <dje_> pizbit : can you have a look at my .bash_profile have you ever tried to export variable on Ubuntu ?
[03:07] <cenerentola> unrar doesnt work...
[03:07] <thoreauputic> dje_: always safer to assume you are making a mistake before blaming the distro :)
[03:07] <cenerentola> ill pastebin
[03:08] <Pizbit> dje_: I've always thrown stuff into .bashrc :)
[03:08] <cristian> cenerentola: try "rar x filename"
[03:08] <dje_> ka24 : so what can i do ?
[03:08] <stvn> cenerentola: there are several rar utilities in universe and multiverse, just search for rar in synaptic
[03:08] <ka24> click edit/current profile
[03:08] <Pizbit> dje_: But at this point ka24 probably has hit the nail on it's head.
[03:08] <ka24> option is on the first tab
[03:08] <enabl> cenerentola http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#head-e0e6dc9e5bd6728be5ddaf3c500b9271ccb9390a
[03:08] <gruberman> ka24, is it recommended to have that checked?
[03:08] <cenerentola> multiverse?
[03:08] <ka24> second tab, my bad
[03:09] <stvn> cenerentola: more non-free stuff
[03:09] <stvn> right, lunch
[03:09] <ka24> gruberman: yea, without it you miss prompt settings and stuff
[03:09] <gruberman> ka24, thx
[03:10] <cenerentola> thx
[03:11] <dje_> ka24: I tried to without success. My var are just not esxported
[03:12] <tuxx> G'day ppl
[03:12] <ka24> dje_: try '. ~/.bash_profile'
[03:12] <ka24> minus the ''
[03:13] <tuxx> How do I get Ubunto to pay attention to .Xdefaults so I can launch aterm with my prefs?
[03:14] <Aard> tuxx: try if it wants to read .Xresources (ln -s .Xdefaults .Xresources)
[03:15] <erickmorillo> greets
[03:15] <erickmorillo> can anyone please help me with initrd?
[03:15] <tuxx> Aard it wont :-(  Any other way to start Aterm with prefs?
[03:15] <dje_> ka24: ok my .bash_profile was just not permited as executable
[03:15] <thoreauputic> dje_: does it work if you do the export and then do " source .bash_profile  ' ?
[03:15] <BrianB04> Can I worship the developers of Ubuntu?
[03:16] <ka24> it's not supposed to be executable
[03:16] <tuxx> BrianB04 yes but first if you've got it to play Divx without any problem
[03:16] <BrianB04> I'm just all happy cause it found, and configured my wireless card without a glitch.
[03:17] <BrianB04> Here I'm thinking I will have to be wired to install it, download Linuxant, install that, find the .inf of my card, install that...and instead, it detected it at install
[03:18] <Aard> tuxx: try `xrdb ~/.Xdefaults'
[03:18] <dje_> OK all work fine now.... thanks you
[03:19] <tuxx> Aard you're tha bomb!! Dunno what it did but it worked :-)
[03:19] <thoreauputic> dje_: what was the thing that fixed it?
[03:19] <jdub> BrianB04: rocking :)
[03:19] <Aard> tuxx: it rereads the .Xresources-file. though it should do that automatically...
[03:20] <tuxx> Aard ahh okay. Now I just need to get my cd-rw drive working with cdrecord. That seems not to be that easy a job afterall
[03:20] <BrianB04> Now, if I could figure out why the heck you can't find a wired keyboard + mouse to save your life.
[03:20] <Aard> dunno if it will work without calling xrdb when you start X the next time, though..
[03:20] <Aard> tuxx: problems? kernel-version?
[03:20] <tuxx> Aard I'll write it down just in case maybe put it into a script if so
[03:20] <dje_> thoreauputic: my .bash_profile was not marked as executable
[03:21] <tuxx> Aard 2.6.8.1
[03:21] <Aard> tuxx: if it does not work ask google for .Xdefaults, and maybe xrdb. at least you'll find explanations what it does, and maybe hints for fixing it
[03:21] <will_> ah wine oh wine!
[03:21] <Aard> tuxx: and what's the problem?
[03:22] <ka24> tuxx: nothin to it.. cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI
[03:22] <tuxx> Aard cdrecord gives me this.. :cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver
[03:22] <ka24> 2.6 doesnt use scsi like that, that's what the dev=ATAPI is for
[03:23] <ka24> cdrecord dev=/dev/hdX where it says to use dev=1,0,0 or whatever
[03:23] <tuxx> ka24: Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second
[03:23] <BrianB04> Okay, now...it's ejecting the cd...and rebooting
[03:24] <ka24> tuxx: what is your cdrw drive?
[03:24] <ka24> dmesg | grep ^hd
[03:24] <tuxx> ka24 hdc: LITE-ON LTR-24102B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
[03:24] <will_> does ubuntu come with DRI built in?
[03:25] <ka24> ok, cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hdc speed=24 -data whatever.iso
[03:25] <ka24> you do need an alpha version cdrecord for this to work, not sure what ubuntu ships with.. but surely they know about 2.6
[03:26] <Federico2> hi :)
[03:26] <tuxx> Cdrecord-Clone 2.01a29
[03:26] <ka24> yep, that should work
[03:26] <tuxx> ka24 I'll try right away!
[03:26] <Aard> ka24: direct opening of ide-devices should work with stable versions, only dev=ATAPI:.. might cause problems with those older versions
[03:26] <zetamannsky> I get no sound from my audigy2  card. I have checked the mixer and everything seems OK: All controls are set, at least, in the middle. Can someone please help me configure this card.
[03:27] <ka24> i dunno why the cdrecord maintainer cant just get off his high horse and make the thing work
[03:27] <ka24> it's so much faster burning without ide-scsi
[03:28] <Aard> where's the problem? you can burn without ide-scsi without problems for over a year now
[03:29] <ka24> scanbus still doesnt work and it still gripes about having to use a generic ide device
[03:29] <tuxx> Error trying to open /dev/hdc exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second
[03:29] <ka24> hmm
[03:29] <ka24> is something mounted on /dev/hdc?
[03:29] <tuxx> ka24 the drive is but else not.
[03:29] <Aard> erm, I never had any problems with scanbus....
[03:30] <tuxx> ka24 I just tried with a CD-RW with data to erase it
[03:30] <ka24> tuxx: run mount.. maybe something automounted it
[03:30] <tuxx> Ubuntu popuped a folder
[03:30] <tuxx> ka24 will try that
[03:30] <ka24> yea, that'll be it ;)
[03:31] <tuxx> ka24 unmount it that is?
[03:31] <ka24> yep
[03:31] <tuxx> ka24 ohh yeah... no errors now!
[03:31] <ka24> no doubt the drive works with linux.. i have one of those
[03:31] <ka24> :)
[03:31] <tuxx> ka24 yeah I've had it working with Mandrake for 3 years
[03:32] <tuxx> ka24 now.. if I can ask u one or two more things.. how do I get mplayer installed with ALL codecs for avi, divx, xdiv etc. ?
[03:33] <ka24> that i dont know without compiling
[03:33] <ka24> some of those are going to be nonfree, so if packages are available you'll have to add universe to apt
[03:33] <tuxx> ka24 I tried that yesterday... need to mention my system f*beeb*d up? :-)
[03:34] <tuxx> universe is added
[03:34] <tuxx> okay. How do I start, stop, restart and so forth a service like samba or proftpd ?
[03:34] <tuxx> In Mandrake it was # 'service name restart' for instance
[03:35] <HauntedUnix> /etc/init.d/samba start, restart, stop.
[03:35] <tuxx> HauntedUnix hey :-) I'll try!
[03:35] <stvn> tuxx: /etc/init.d/<service> start|stop|restart
[03:35] <tuxx> So everything thats installed and runned as an service is managed that way?
[03:35] <ka24> i still run freebsd on my desktop.. only tried ubuntu on a spare box so far.. havent had a chance to work out all the grimy details like video playback yet ;)
[03:36] <HauntedUnix> tuxx: it should be, there are some irregularities, but you hopefully won't need ot encounter them.
[03:36] <ka24> been on freebsd/slackware for 10 years or so
[03:36] <thoreauputic> tuxx: that's the standard daemon starter, yes
[03:36] <HauntedUnix> tuxx: there are some programs that install things to the home dir, etc, and don't do a system-wide install, you have to do that manually.
[03:37] <tuxx> ka24 ahh. I have it on my desktop now. I tried to reinstall Mandrake last night after having a h*beep* of a fight with Ubuntu. Case was my netinstall wouldn't work so I had to install Ubuntu again. Now I won't give up. It has to work now :-)
[03:37] <tuxx> thoreauputic thanks
[03:37] <HauntedUnix> heya thoreauputic :)
[03:37] <thoreauputic> hey HauntedUnix :)
[03:37] <ka24> i just figured i'd camp out in here and see what sort of nightmares others were having before i tried it on my main box ;)
[03:37] <tuxx> HauntedUnix When will I perhaps stumble uppon that problem?
[03:38] <HauntedUnix> tuxx: Mmm, luckily, I can't think of anything of the top of my head ;)
[03:38] <tuxx> ka24 want a list? :-) lol
[03:38] <ka24> heh
[03:38] <tuxx> nah I have most figured out so far
[03:39] <tuxx> However it works in a whole different way than Mandrake which HauntedUnix will concur with :-)
[03:39] <thoreauputic> tuxx: say you put a script in ~/bin and you want it to start - you have to make your own entry in the startup scripts for it (I'm not recommanding that, just an example)
[03:39] <HauntedUnix> tuxx: :)
[03:40] <tuxx> thoreauputic okay. Most of the stuff installed will be through apt-get
[03:40] <tuxx> HauntedUnix not using Mandrake anymore?
[03:40] <thoreauputic> tuxx: yes - which will do the right thing
[03:40] <HauntedUnix> tuxx: I haven't tried ubuntu yet, downloaded the worng iso, thought I was getting the livecd ;)
[03:41] <thoreauputic> tuxx: if for instance you use hdparm to tune your hard drive, you have to put an entry in to get it to start on boot
[03:41] <tuxx> thoreauputic okay no sweat then. I just need to restart my display manager sometimes (mostly when working with X) and so far I've killed it and rebooted. /etc/init.d/gdm should do it now if I guess correct
[03:42] <tuxx> thoreauputic oh yeah I remember that.
[03:42] <tuxx> HauntedUnix the Live CD is nice! Have both :)
[03:42] <thoreauputic> tuxx: yes, /etc/init.d/gdm restart ot whatever...
[03:43] <tuxx> thoreauputic yeah.
[03:46] <kapputu> hi all
[03:46] <GotD0t> hi
[03:46] <kapputu> hey gotdot how r u
[03:46] <GotD0t> does anybody have experience with a Dell DJ and Ubuntu
[03:46] <GotD0t> fine
[03:47] <kapputu> what happened GotD0t
[03:48] <GotD0t> ?
[03:49] <kapputu> with Dell DJ and Ubuntu ?
[03:49] <tuxx> hmm.. how would I get 'll' to work as the normal user? only 'ls' works now
[03:49] <BrianB04> Wooohoo, I'm in Ubuntu....
[03:49] <tuxx> BrianB04 how ya like it so far?
[03:50] <GotD0t> I just wanted to know if anybody is able to transfer songs to the DJ through Ubuntu
[03:50] <BrianB04> I'm liking it. Simple, not overly bloated with useless software...and it works with both my wired and wireless connection. Now...to learn Gnome, figure out how to put a few things on the desktop, etc.
[03:51] <WW> Does anyone here use Sticky Notes in gnome?
[03:51] <tuxx> BrianB04 yeah. It's nice and sleek. However I'm still not able to play my Divx, Xvid and so forth
[03:52] <tuxx> However the fluxbox included is the stable version = very old.
[03:52] <WW> Sticky Notes often get moved when I logout and back in, or when I reboot.
[03:52] <tuxx> but I have the deb for latest unstable.
[03:52] <GotD0t> tuxx: someone in the channel pointed me to a good tut on how to get mplayer working with all the formats
[03:52] <tuxx> GotD0t remember who that someone was?
[03:52] <Kapputu> how do I update firefox to 1.0PR ?
[03:52] <GotD0t> tuxx: sorry
[03:52] <tuxx> or where to read 'bout it ?
[03:53] <tuxx> GotD0t no sweat
[03:53] <WW> OK, so it's not a showstopper like a nonfunctional graphics card, but it is annoying :)
[03:53] <GotD0t> kapputu: they have a firefox RC1 now
[03:53] <Kapputu> oh yeah I read yesterday
[03:53] <Kapputu> forgot that
[03:53] <stvn> Kapputu: wait for hoary or install the ff installer from the site
[03:53] <Kapputu> how do I upgrade ?
[03:54] <jpvcx> GotD0t:Do you mean this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94 ?
[03:54] <GotD0t> jpvcx: no... its a step by step tutorial... that someone put together themselves
[03:54] <GotD0t> jpvcs: worked great
[03:55] <Kapputu> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox says it's the newest version and I also get an error saying couldn't stat URL..
[03:56] <GotD0t> Kapputu: thats because you have the newest one in ubuntu... you have to go directly to the firefox site
[03:56] <Kapputu> yeah but I want to install the new one over my existing one
[03:56] <stvn> Kapputu: it's not possible from within ubuntu
[03:57] <Kapputu> the download link in mozilla.org still says 1.0PR
[03:57] <benja> im compiling a program and i get this error, autoconf: Undefined macros:...configure.in:13:AC_PROG_LIBTOOL, any ideas
[03:58] <Pizbit^> Kapputu: The RC is only for those who are sure they want to test stuff
[03:59] <monteiro> why totem doesnt support many type movie and music files ?
[03:59] <monteiro> licences ?
[03:59] <Kapputu> how do I get a flashplayer plugin ?
[03:59] <GotD0t> monteiro: you have to install the codecs for the files
[04:00] <stvn> monteiro: yes
[04:00] <stvn> monteiro: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:00] <tuxx> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94&highlight=mplayer
[04:00] <tuxx> That's for mplayer. I'm trying it at the moment so cross fingers!
[04:00] <jpvcx> Kapputu:it should be in universe or multiverse
[04:02] <visor> tuxx: might i ask why dont you use xine/totem?
[04:02] <Kapputu> hmm can't find the flashplayer plugin for mozilla
[04:02] <Phr0stByte> visor: MPlayer is better
[04:03] <Kapputu> any suggestions >
[04:03] <Kapputu> yep mplayer is better
[04:03] <tuxx> visor sure. First I can't get it to work with my stuff and second I'm madly in love with mplayer :-)
[04:03] <tuxx> Kapputu yeah I have flash working. Need the file? if so hang on
[04:03] <cardador> Kapputu: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:04] <tuxx> cardador will it install it automatically for firefox?
[04:04] <jpvcx> tuxx:yes
[04:04] <cardador> yes
[04:04] <Scognito> hi
[04:05] <kent> Is there a way to add planet ubuntu (http://planet.ubuntulinux.org/) to blam? I found no rss-file on that page, except for the individuals tracked on the page, not the entire page.
[04:05] <tuxx> okay I'll try it instead of the manual installation I'm used to do
[04:05] <Kapputu> yep got it instaled
[04:05] <Kapputu> is there a automatic mplayer installation ?
[04:05] <visor> uhmmm i see
[04:05] <Kapputu> I thought the only way was compiling source
[04:05] <visor> xine works for me in ubuntu
[04:06] <visor> all, wmv, mov, mpeg, avi and so on
[04:06] <Kapputu> anyone have marillinat ftp link handy ?
[04:06] <Kapputu> I need to download w32codecs
[04:06] <amathis> hi guys.
[04:06] <Kapputu> hi amathis
[04:06] <Kapputu> what's up
[04:06] <Phr0stByte> Any python programmers here?
[04:06] <amathis> do you have to edit the Xf86Config to change resolution, or is there a gui that will do it.
[04:06] <cardador> Kapputu: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[04:06] <Kapputu> eeks ! I hate snakes !!
[04:07] <visor> Kapputu: w32codecs are available in xine site
[04:07] <Phr0stByte> lol
[04:07] <amathis> Kapputu, trying to figure out things :)
[04:07] <Kapputu> thanx cardador, visor
[04:07] <JohanH> kent, http://planet.ubuntulinux.org/rss20.xml
[04:07] <cardador> amathis: computer > sys configuration > screen resolution
[04:07] <kent> amathis,  computer->system config -> change resulution.
[04:07] <cardador> lol
[04:07] <Kapputu> I started learning using dive into python
[04:07] <visor> well folks, im going to bed, this was a long night, i need to sleep, see you
[04:07] <Kapputu> din't have much time
[04:08] <Kapputu> bye visor
[04:08] <Kapputu> sleep tight
[04:08] <amathis> heh, darn.. 1600 x 1200 not working yet.
[04:08] <Phr0stByte> Kapputu: Doing a game using Pygame
[04:08] <visor> and btw, best e-book ever form python is "How to think like a computer scientist: learning python"
[04:08] <kent> JohanH, thanks.
[04:08] <amathis> wow..
[04:08] <amathis> apt-get could not find bluefish??
[04:08] <amathis> how can I see where apt-get get's it's sources?
[04:08] <amathis> maybe it is only looking on cd..
[04:08] <visor> believe me, its even better than o'reilly's one, (wich i have too)
[04:09] <visor> well, see ya all bye
[04:09] <Phr0stByte> heh
[04:09] <kent> amathis, /etc/apt/sources.list i belive (Or check with synaptic)
[04:09] <Kapputu> yeah I think I have seen that as a link in dive into python
[04:09] <Kapputu> need help Phr0stByte ?
[04:09] <erickmorillo> greeeets
[04:09] <Phr0stByte> Kapputu: Looking for a partner
[04:09] <amathis> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[04:09] <amathis> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[04:10] <erickmorillo> anyone knows how to remove openoffice and postfix?
[04:10] <amathis> should I un-comment those?
[04:10] <Kapputu> I need to learn python but
[04:10] <Phr0stByte> Kapputu: Getting tired of doing it all myself
[04:10] <tuxx> Shoe! it worked (flash)
[04:10] <tuxx> nice
[04:10] <Kapputu> I'm a quick learner though
[04:10] <Kapputu> how do I install shockwave plugin ?
[04:10] <Kapputu> or do I need that at all ?
[04:11] <tuxx> Kapputu my xp is that you don't need it
[04:11] <Kapputu> k
[04:11] <Phr0stByte> you dont
[04:11] <tuxx> xp = experience and not the win-somehing
[04:11] <Kapputu> oh yeah I understand tuxx
[04:11] <lamont> erickmorillo: fire up synaptic and remove the packages?
[04:11] <lamont> erickmorillo: it'll remove ubuntu-desktop, of course...
[04:11] <Kapputu> windows is a f**ked up piece of junk
[04:11] <lamont> (which is just a package full of dependencies)
[04:12] <tuxx> Kapputu yeah however it's versatile. Maybe that's why me not like it :-)
[04:12] <cardador> amathis: yes
[04:12] <Kapputu> I don't have any control over it
[04:12] <amathis> cardador, danke.
[04:12] <cardador> amathis: add multiverse after universe
[04:12] <monteiro> GotD0t , stvn  : yes, thanx
[04:12] <cardador> amathis: it will give a buch of non free apps
[04:13] <Kapputu> what do u mean by non free ?
[04:13] <tuxx> Kapputu not anything similair. Even a single console is missing
[04:13] <Kapputu> yep
[04:13] <monteiro> how much time will i wait to receive the cds ?
[04:13] <cardador> Kapputu: flash, unrar, etc
[04:13] <Kapputu> I can't work with mouse
[04:13] <Kapputu> I move around using the keyboard
[04:13] <tuxx> Kapputu yeah me too. Keymaps are nice.
[04:14] <cippalippa> testing...
[04:14] <Kapputu> and I don't like any piece of s/w which tries to be a smart ass and assumes that there is an idiot using it
[04:15] <amathis> cardador, wow, couldn't some people get busted for that?
[04:15] <erickmorillo> lamont: any chance to clear postfix without loosing ubuntu-desktop?
[04:15] <cippalippa> and what happens if the idiot craves for gwetting less idiot?
[04:15] <lamont> ubuntu-desktop is soley the package that forces all of the standard packages to get installed on a desktop system.  So it Depends: postfix, among others.
[04:16] <lamont> (IOW, no.)
[04:16] <Keybuk> erickmorillo: ubuntu-desktop is just a meta-package; removing it just means when you upgrade to hoary you won't automatically get any new desktop packages
[04:16] <Kapputu> don't understand cippalippa
[04:16] <Kapputu> when is hoary coming out ?
[04:16] <vrln> in ~6 months
[04:16] <cardador> amathis: lol
[04:16] <cippalippa> I noticed the line about the kind of desktop thing
[04:16] <gruberman> when his parents are ready
[04:16] <cippalippa> I am actually in a "very idiot" situation
[04:16] <cippalippa> maybe some of you can hekllp out
[04:16] <cardador> amathis: i think its non free because its source is not open
[04:16] <lamont> Kapputu: april and october are the release months.
[04:17] <cippalippa> is it possible ask in the channel?
[04:17] <lamont> cippalippa: fire away
[04:17] <cippalippa> fisrt install latest ubuntu
[04:17] <cippalippa> all fine
[04:17] <cippalippa> speedy
[04:18] <cippalippa> but I think I overlook something while setting up the pass
[04:18] <cippalippa> for root
[04:18] <lamont> there is no root password assigned during install.
[04:18] <lamont> it's *'ed out
[04:18] <amathis> isn't that a security breach to just use sudo?
[04:18] <amathis> because any app can obtain root priveliges?
[04:18] <Kapputu> so what happens now cippalippa
[04:18] <lamont> amathis: not particularly
[04:18] <cippalippa> sorry, busy
[04:18] <vrln> using only sudo is more secure afaik
[04:18] <cippalippa> so... I have the username and the user
[04:19] <Matt|> which version of X11 is hoary going to use?
[04:19] <cippalippa> so when I try to do something requiring root priviledges
[04:19] <lamont> cippalippa: and the initial user is in sudoers
[04:19] <cippalippa> I do not know what to type in
[04:19] <vrln> you do sudo commandyouwant
[04:19] <lamont> and you should be prompted for _your_ (initial user) password
[04:19] <vrln> and type your user password
[04:19] <cippalippa> I only remeber to have set 1 pass
[04:19] <vrln> and voila, it works :)
[04:19] <cippalippa> for the normal user
[04:20] <vrln> yep, and that's the one you need to use sudo
[04:20] <Kapputu> yep that's the password u need to use
[04:20] <cippalippa> at the beginning I was only asked the userbname
[04:20] <tuxx> YES! mplayer is working!!
[04:20] <sertmann> what is exacly is the file called containing the environment variables for a user? can't bloody find it....
[04:20] <Kapputu> tuxx, you compiled source ?
[04:20] <GotD0t> tuxx: how'd you get it up?
[04:20] <cippalippa> I tried to add some sorry, 1 min...
[04:21] <lamont> sertmann: env will print your current environment
[04:21] <lamont> well, at least the exported variables
[04:21] <Matt|> what is the website where I can see the list of changes and such which will appear in hoary?
[04:21] <tuxx> Kapputu yes. Follow the link given earlier
[04:21] <Kapputu> can you post it again, if you still have the window open ?
[04:21] <sertmann> lamont: yeah, but i need to edit it...
[04:22] <jpvcx> tuxx:welcome to the club ;)
[04:22] <tuxx> lol
[04:22] <tuxx> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94&highlight=mplayer
[04:22] <lamont> .profile gets run when a shell starts...
[04:22] <cippalippa> ok, gonna try to modify fstab
[04:22] <Kapputu> hi ogra
[04:22] <Kapputu> good morning
[04:22] <ogra> hi...... capitalized today ?
[04:22] <Echylo> ok have a couple of questions
[04:23] <Kapputu> hmm this is a different machine
[04:23] <cristian> Matt|: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryHedgehog
[04:23] <Kapputu> I have three ubuntus now ogra
[04:23] <Echylo> first, my ubuntu is booting a long time,( almost sticking on starting hotplug system
[04:23] <Matt|> cristian, thanks
[04:23] <sertmann> "Environment variables of LC_ALL (or LANG) and XMODIFIERS must be set as following..." <--- ok i need to do this, what file do i edit?
[04:23] <amathis> hmm, how can I get the login screen that is shown on the website?
[04:23] <amathis> with the people...
[04:23] <Echylo> amathis,
[04:24] <Rexioo> where are source codes default kernel in ubuntu?
[04:24] <Echylo> computer, system > settings for users?
[04:24] <BrianB04> Okay this is weird.
[04:25] <cristian> Rexioo: linux-source-2.6.8.1
[04:25] <BrianB04> Very weird...
[04:25] <Matt|> so does anyone know what version of X11 is going to be used in Hoary?
[04:25] <sertmann> x.org
[04:25] <Kapputu> what's the difference ?
[04:26] <Echylo> hey somebody can help me?
[04:26] <Matt|> sertmann, but what version?
[04:26] <ogra> Kapputu: http://freedesktop.org/~keithp/screenshots/
[04:26] <Rexioo> Cristian: /usr/src there isn't
[04:26] <BrianB04> Okay, how can I go about getting the secondary card, the wired card, to come up as default networking card?
[04:27] <Matt|> the version in warty seems to be 6.6, but this is rather old now and I am hoping for some newer support
[04:27] <cristian> Rexioo: you have to apt-get install it
[04:27] <Kapputu> oh what's up with those transparent shells ?
[04:27] <Kapputu> i should say terminals
[04:28] <ogra> mjg59: youre the laptop god ?
[04:28] <Kapputu> are they available ?
[04:28] <jpvcx> Kapputo: cool aint it ?
[04:28] <Echylo> ok, can somebody listen to my boot problem???
[04:28] <sertmann> Matt|: wathy uses xfree
[04:28] <Kapputu> yep
[04:28] <sertmann> warthy even
[04:28] <Matt|> sertmann, yes i am aware of that. It is using version 6.6. of X11
[04:28] <sertmann> ah
[04:28] <Kapputu> why don't people change ot linux
[04:28] <sertmann> then ill shut up
[04:28] <Matt|> the current Xorg release uses version 6.8.1
[04:28] <Kapputu> how can I convince everyone to convert to linux
[04:28] <Echylo> install it , and show them
[04:28] <Matt|> Kapputu, tell them "no viruses, no spyware"
[04:28] <Aard> Kapputu: don't.
[04:29] <sertmann> Kapputu: please don't
[04:29] <Echylo> ?
[04:29] <ogra> Kapputu: show them how great it is
[04:29] <Kapputu> but it's so good
[04:29] <Kapputu> I want others to enjoy what I'm enjoying
[04:29] <Rexioo> cristian: i would recompile kernel and i would add module APM
[04:29] <cristian> Kapputu: pay them
[04:29] <Echylo> :D
[04:29] <Kapputu> I already convinced my roommate to install Ubuntu and he has been using it for a like a week now
[04:29] <cristian> Rexioo: apm module it's already in standard kernel
[04:30] <ogra> Kapputu: make a lot of money and do tv adverts ?
[04:30] <gruberman> Kapputu, if you can get some of the big audio companies to release their sequencers on linux, there will be alot of people migrating to linux ;)
[04:30] <Kapputu> he had so much spyware, adware
[04:30] <cristian> Rexioo: modprobe apm
[04:30] <BrianB04> Cause, eth0 is showing the right card...just for some reason not catching dhcpd
[04:30] <cristian> Rexioo: and add 'apm' in /etc/modules
[04:30] <Kapputu> I can understand if my mom doesn't want to convert to linux
[04:30] <Kapputu> but what about computer science majors in grad school
[04:30] <ogra> Kapputu: i dont ;)
[04:30] <Echylo> why does ubuntu waits almost a minute at "starting hotplug subsystem"
[04:31] <Echylo> I putted modules on the blacklist
[04:31] <Echylo> cause it caused troubles
[04:31] <Echylo> but it still takes 2min> to boot
[04:31] <ogra> Echylo: troubles ?
[04:31] <Echylo> of course :)
[04:31] <Kapputu> a quick question if I dont wan't the ethernet interface to be brought up during boot what do I change in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[04:31] <Rexioo> thanks
[04:32] <ogra> Echylo: you mean pciehp shp...
[04:32] <cristian> Kapputu: rip out the name of your interface from "auto" directive
[04:33] <Echylo> yes
[04:33] <ogra> Echylo: lol
[04:33] <Echylo> how do you know?
[04:33] <Echylo> :p
[04:33] <ogra> Echylo: they are harmless
[04:33] <Echylo> yea I put them on the blacklist, cause of an error : modprobe.....
[04:33] <Kapputu> and what do I do if I want my wireless interface to be brought up on boot
[04:33] <ogra> Echylo: its a known cosmetic issue.....you dont speed up anything by blacklisting them
[04:34] <Kapputu> there is a script I have to run
[04:34] <BrianB04> Hmmm, seems because I didn't install with the wired network card, it's not even starting it...weird.
[04:34] <Kapputu> it's a TI ACX 111 card and I have to run start_net each time
[04:35] <Echylo> ow
[04:35] <Echylo> so I have to wait 2.15 minutes
[04:35] <Echylo> until my pc is booted? :p
[04:35] <ogra> Echylo: and blacklisting speeds this up ?
[04:35] <Echylo> nope
[04:36] <cristian> Kapputu: you can use "up, pre-up" options in iface directive of /etc/network/interfaces
[04:36] <cristian> Kapputu: it's all explained in "man 5 interfaces"
[04:36] <Kapputu> ok
[04:36] <ogra> Echylo: hotplug manages a big bunch of devices, its probing them all on startup
[04:36] <thoreauputic> Echylo: so just leave your linux running: it will go for months or even years
[04:36] <rexioo> cristian: FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device
[04:36] <robertj> Is there a way to install only a particulr package and it's dependencies from hoary?
[04:36] <Matt|> Kapputu, I also use that method to start my card
[04:36] <cippalippa> yeah, now I got the system, so the rest is simple ignorance. Thanx for the ear (before shoulders were needed)
[04:37] <Matt|> Kapputu, cristian, when I use the network/interfaces method it only stays up for about 5 minutes
[04:37] <Echylo> :D
[04:37] <Echylo> talk to my mom
[04:37] <Echylo> then it will stay up
[04:38] <Echylo> now, it has to be shutdown for saving some energy
[04:38] <Echylo> :@:|
[04:38] <thoreauputic> Echylo: 2 minutes is not long to wait for something - I bet you could use that time to study Shakespeare or aomething useful ;)
[04:38] <ogra> Echylo: Hoary will speed this up....until April you'll have to bear it :(
[04:39] <Echylo> april???:p
[04:39] <Matt|> ogra, I have to wait until april for a newer version of X?
[04:39] <Matt|> nooooooooooooooooooooo
[04:39] <Phr0stByte> Echylo: tell your mom that the system really does not suck much juice - its the monitor that needs to be shut off
[04:39] <Kapputu> that's too long but /me will wait
[04:39] <Kapputu> oops
[04:39] <amathis> heh, it is bad when you are talking to someone and you say 'me is tired'
[04:39] <Echylo> Phr0stByte, nice try, I already used that argument
[04:39] <ogra> come on... 5 months till Hoary stable isnt too long
[04:39] <Echylo> ok ok
[04:40] <thoreauputic> Echylo: tell your mom that every time you boot it brings the national electric grid to its knees
[04:40] <Matt|> ogra, it wouldn't be if the warty packages weren't frozen ;)
[04:40] <ogra> LOL
[04:40] <Kapputu> lol thoreauputic
[04:40] <ogra> Matt|: not frozen, stable....
[04:40] <BrianB04> Hey, is that what caused the massive blackout, Echylo's computer starting up?:)
[04:40] <Matt|> ogra, so I can get a newer version of X11?
[04:41] <thoreauputic> BrianB04: hush, they might hear you !
[04:41] <ogra> Matt|: nope... only in Hoary, but security updates for 18 months
[04:41] <Matt|> ogra, i need to Hoary asap methinks
[04:41] <Matt|> ogra, how to get a testing version?
[04:41] <BrianB04> How nifty, I figured it out...yay...now I can make things work:)
[04:41] <Kapputu> can I get those transparent terminals anywhere ?
[04:42] <ogra> Matt|: do that only if you got a spare machine to run it on
[04:42] <Kapputu> anyone in U.S experienced a blackout last night ?
[04:42] <Matt|> how come?
[04:42] <amathis> wtf... 'sudo init 3' doens't do shat for me.
[04:42] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: yeah, I'll give you the commands to make aterm transparent for $100
[04:42] <Echylo> sorry BrianB04 :P
[04:42] <Echylo> wasn't on purpose :p
[04:42] <Phr0stByte> =(
[04:42] <amathis> it isn't that hard to make aterm transparent :D
[04:42] <ogra> Matt|: Hoary is supposed to break in the dev process....its a devlopment version....
[04:43] <Matt|> ogra, np
[04:43] <Kapputu> ok thoreauputic, but you need to give me $200 first for seeking advice from you :-P
[04:43] <BrianB04> Sure it wasn't, you had it all planned out for months before hand, just to make my life miserable...side effect that you took out half the country as well
[04:43] <ogra> Matt|: till april ;)
[04:43] <thoreauputic> amathis: hey, are you trying to stop my income stream?
[04:43] <Matt|> ogra, is there any chance of getting hoary packages to install on warty? I used to use fedora testing packages all the time
[04:43] <amathis> thoreauputic, tis' captialism.
[04:43] <amathis> :P
[04:43] <Matt|> ogra, i am happy to install a testing OS
[04:44] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: my aterm alias: alias aterm='aterm +sb -tr -sh 80 -rv'
[04:44] <ogra> Matt|: go on, but dont mix the dists.... if you switch to hoary do it completely and dont cry if nothing works anymore
[04:44] <BrianB04> But yea, that hotplug error is kinda annoying...
[04:44] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: special price for you today :)
[04:44] <Matt|> ogra, hmm no i won't cry: but the dists can't be mixed? How come?
[04:44] <titoo> Hello everybody, I am new I will stay quiet a while :)
[04:45] <Matt|> ogra, didn't you start from warty when making hoary?
[04:45] <BrianB04> Get an error about hw-random
[04:45] <ogra> Matt|: they can, but youre on your own, nobody will support taht
[04:45] <Matt|> ogra, sure
[04:45] <Matt|> ogra, mebbe i can get dri working on warty without updating to a newer version of X11?
[04:45] <ogra> not even the bot ;)
[04:46] <amathis> hmm..
[04:46] <amathis> ogra, sudo init 3 didn't put me in init 3..
[04:46] <Kapputu> doesn't work with gnome-terminal
[04:46] <ogra> Matt|: depends....
[04:46] <amathis> I need to install my nvidia drivers.
[04:46] <cippalippa> quit
[04:46] <amathis> /quit
[04:46] <ogra> amathis: for sure...but 3 isnt different from 2 (default)
[04:46] <amathis> :)
[04:46] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: apt-get install aterm
[04:46] <Matt|> ogra, what does it depend on? ;)
[04:46] <ogra> Matt|: what card ?
[04:46] <amathis> ogra, ?? I need to just be on command line..
[04:47] <amathis> ogra, no X server
[04:47] <ogra> amathis: ctrl-alt-f1
[04:47] <amathis> ogra, ah, danke.
[04:47] <ogra> amathis: f7 brings you back
[04:47] <Matt|> ogra, it is an onboard ATI (radeon) IGP340M
[04:48] <Matt|> lol
[04:48] <amathis> ogra, no, I am installing nvidia drivers.. there CANNOT be any X server running, and it has to only be CLI
[04:48] <Kapputu> hmm don't get what I saw in the screenshots
[04:48] <Kapputu> it's not transparent
[04:48] <ogra> amathis: they can run.... just reboot after install ;)
[04:48] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: what are you trying to "get"?
[04:49] <Kapputu> a transparent terminal
[04:49] <amathis> ogra, I don't think the installer will like it, but will try after apt-get is done.
[04:49] <Matt|> Kapputu, you could try Eterm
[04:49] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: for transparent, use the -tr switch to the aterm command
[04:49] <amathis> eterm > aterm
[04:49] <ogra> amathis: follow this http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:49] <thoreauputic> amathis: rubbish. aterm is lighter on resources and just as configurable
[04:50] <Kapputu> nope
[04:50] <ogra> Matt|: you could try fglrx, same url....
[04:50] <Matt|> k will look
[04:50] <Matt|> thanks
[04:50] <amathis> ogra, wait.. apt-get has the nvidia drivers in them?
[04:50] <ogra> Matt|: but no guarantee.... except its radeon compatible....
[04:50] <amathis> ogra, are they as good as the ones I just downloaded off of the nvidia website?
[04:50] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: you are doing something wrong then; if you type aterm -tr you will get a transparent aterm
[04:50] <ogra> amathis: yes
[04:51] <ogra> amathis: and yes
[04:51] <Kapputu> I want something like this... http://freedesktop.org/~keithp/screenshots/translucentapps.png
[04:51] <amathis> ogra, that kicks arse
[04:51] <Matt|> ogra, am not hopeful ;)
[04:51] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: looking
[04:51] <ogra> Kapputu: be paitient 5 months...youll get it ;)
[04:51] <Matt|> ogra, have always just recompiled the dri modules in the past
[04:52] <ogra> Matt|: its all in synaptic ;)
[04:52] <Kapputu> aterm,eterm > gnome-terminal ?
[04:52] <ogra> Kapputu: nope, REAL transparency....
[04:52] <Kapputu> u mean I can't get those translucent terminals now ???????????
[04:53] <Matt|> i can't find aterm
[04:53] <nomasteryoda> sure you can
[04:53] <amathis> brb :D rebooting.
[04:53] <cippalippa> hallo, back for this delemma: I know how to sudo, but if I wanted to mount a windows partition (which I added to fstab before re-running it) I ma told that only root can do it and if I try to root the use pass doesn't work
[04:53] <Kapputu> grr
[04:53] <amathis> ogra, cross fingers
[04:53] <ogra> Kapputu: just a fake one.... right klick your gnome-term
[04:53] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: it's a matter of taste, I guess - we could have a terminal war, but although that would be fun, it isn't really productive..:)
[04:53] <ogra> amathis: i do !
[04:53] <Matt|> nomasteryoda, whereabouts is it?
[04:53] <cippalippa> so I lost something
[04:53] <Matt|> nomasteryoda, oh there it is
[04:53] <ogra> Kapputu: edit the profile..... look for effects
[04:53] <BrianB04> Now that I have those issues sorted out, time to make Gnome look all funky, and translucenty...and just cool
[04:54] <tuxx> How would I install java? I don't seem to find it through apt-get
[04:54] <nictuku> hmm I had problems installing ubuntu
[04:54] <Kapputu> yeah I tried changing that to transparent background
[04:54] <Kapputu> but I don't get what I see in that picture
[04:54] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: aha - that screen shot is xorg with "true" transparency - for that we have to wait, sorry
[04:54] <nictuku> DMA was set enabled in my old CD-ROM drive. It couldn't find the "Ubuntu install media"
[04:54] <ogra> Kapputu: you cant.... currently its only faked for terminals od xchat
[04:54] <ogra> or
[04:55] <Kapputu> this transparency I have used before
[04:55] <nictuku> Is that a known bug in the installation?
[04:55] <cardador> cippalippa: add smt like this to /etc/fstab -> /dev/hda1 /home/jose/windows1 ntfs auto,users,exec,ro,umask=000 0 0
[04:55] <Kapputu> that's y  I was wondering what I was missing
[04:55] <ogra> Kapputu: what distro ?
[04:55] <nictuku> hdparm -d0 /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 was fine
[04:55] <cippalippa> no hints for sorting out where is the root pass?
[04:55] <BrianB04> Now, here's an odd question: When the new release comes out, how do you upgrade from Warty?
[04:55] <Kapputu> ubuntu ?
[04:55] <jpvcx> Cippalippa:http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/info/ntfs.html#4.9
[04:55] <Qerub> Are i18n patches still accepted for Warty?
[04:55] <Kapputu> u mean the one I used b4 ?
[04:55] <ogra> Kapputu: no way
[04:55] <cippalippa> no, it's fat32, individuated as vfat
[04:55] <nictuku> apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[04:56] <ogra> BrianB04: there will be instructions
[04:56] <Kapputu> ok what's the diff b/w aterm, xterm and eterm ?
[04:56] <Qerub> BrianB04: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list (or use Synaptic) and then do apt-get dist-upgrade (or use Synaptic).
[04:56] <ogra> Kapputu: the are different terminal emulators
[04:56] <BrianB04> I didn't know if apt-get dist-upgrade would cut it...I know it works for the servers I run, but I didn't know about X upgrades, and all that.
[04:56] <ogra> they
[04:56] <Qerub> Kapputu: xterm is bloat and pretty slow, but features anti-aliased fonts. aterm is small and can have a "transparent" background. eterm just sucks. IMHO.
[04:56] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: this is how mine look: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/screenshots/fluxboxfirefoxrox.jpg
[04:57] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: aterm on that shot
[04:57] <ogra> BrianB04: canonical will make sure it all goes flawless....just wait for the instructions
[04:57] <nictuku> it's taking ages to end installation here on a K6 300
[04:57] <Kapputu> pretty good
[04:57] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: and: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/screenshots/fluxfirefoxmenusint.jpg
[04:57] <ogra> yay
[04:58] <Kapputu> thoreauputic, what wm ?
[04:58] <nictuku> fluxbox Kapputu
[04:58] <dr_dindic> aloha
[04:58] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: fluxbox - the development branch about 0.98 in that shot
[04:58] <Kapputu> I have never tried installing a wm before
[04:58] <ogra> dr_dindic: halllo
[04:59] <Kapputu> i've used twm, afterstep
[05:00] <Kapputu> -tr turns on or off pseduo transparency mode ??
[05:01] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: yes
[05:01] <Kapputu> thoreauputic, I'm asking if it's for turning it on or off
[05:01] <ogra> Kapputu: try: man aterm .....
[05:02] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: on the command line, aterm -tr gives you a transparent aterm
[05:02] <Kapputu> yeah I'm looking into it
[05:02] <Kapputu> but it says -tr|+tr is used for turning on or off transparency mode
[05:02] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: there are lots of other switches
[05:02] <Kapputu> but I would assume that + is normally used for turning something on ?
[05:02] <ogra> Kapputu: - = off, + = on
[05:02] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: yes - that's what it does
[05:02] <thoreauputic> ogra: wrong
[05:03] <ogra> thoreauputic: ??
[05:03] <thoreauputic> - on + off
[05:03] <thoreauputic> ^^
[05:03] <ogra> oh
[05:03] <ogra> thoreauputic: weird
[05:03] <ogra> thoreauputic: illogical as well
[05:03] <thoreauputic> ogra: not really - the satndard unix switches are mostly "-"
[05:03] <Phr0stByte> ogra: not really - think about it
[05:03] <thoreauputic> *standard
[05:04] <ogra> thoreauputic: i know ... but using + = off ??
[05:04] <thoreauputic> ogra:  "-" is a hyphen, not a minus
[05:04] <ogra> thoreauputic: - notr would be my guess
[05:05] <thoreauputic> ^^^
[05:05] <Phr0stByte> +: ADDING (in this case solidity)
[05:05] <Phr0stByte> -: SUBTRACTING it
[05:05] <Kapputu> I guess hyphen has been used as a standard for turning things on
[05:05] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: correct
[05:05] <ogra> Phr0stByte: but the switch is called tr
[05:05] <Kapputu> and when they wanted to have a toggle they couldnt think up of anything ?
[05:06] <Kapputu> I mean other than a '+'
[05:06] <ogra> Pho: no sol ;)
[05:06] <Phr0stByte> ogra: sorry - I didnt write the term
[05:06] <Kapputu> if I turn on iconic it opens the term in a new window ?
[05:06] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: it works, that's all that matters. And it's documented
[05:06] <ogra> Phr0stByte: me neither, but its a usability lack in my opinion
[05:07] <Kapputu> yeah it's documented alright but it doesnt say if - turns it on or off
[05:07] <ogra> amathis: ahts up ? working ?
[05:07] <ogra> whats
[05:07] <thoreauputic> ogra: you lack a feeling for the traditions of UNIX (which is always quirky)
[05:07] <Kapputu> if they had used the word respectively at the end of the sentence, it would have cleared things up
[05:07] <Phr0stByte> ogra: I've never used it
[05:07] <Johoho> hello
[05:08] <amathis> ogra, yeppers
[05:08] <ogra> thoreauputic: i'm usin unix since nearly 10 years
[05:08] <Kapputu> -tr|+tr
[05:08] <Kapputu>               Turn on/off pseudo transparency mode.
[05:08] <amathis> ogra, installing NwN
[05:08] <Phr0stByte> ogra: Never really worried about my recources
[05:08] <titoo> Any idea about a GUI for CVS with Gnome? I tried linCVS but is there something integrated into Nautilus (I can't find a package for Apotheke)
[05:08] <thoreauputic> ogra: well, you'll know what I meant by that humorous remark, then
[05:08] <Kapputu> anyone used Anjuta for remote development ?
[05:09] <Phr0stByte> Kapputa: not remotely
[05:09] <Kapputu> any good IDE for remote development ?
[05:09] <Phr0stByte> Kapputa: But I use Anjuta extensively
[05:09] <ogra> thoreauputic: i know the traditions... but i'm looking at the future of linux right now.....there should be a logical way to switch on/off things ;)
[05:10] <thoreauputic> ogra: yeah, well if it's aliased or built in to a GUI nobody will notice ;)
[05:10] <Kapputu> when there is a toggle, I think + and - should assume their semantic meaning
[05:10] <tuxx> How would I install java? I don't seem to find it through apt-get
[05:10] <Johoho> are there known issues with the python2.3 package during the installation? it fails with a segmentation fault on my install
[05:11] <Phr0stByte> Johoho: they work fine here
[05:11] <ogra> tuxx: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:11] <rye> Hello.  I'd like to know if Ubuntu comes with the `opensc' command.  Plus I'd like to know if anyone is using the smartcard driver, `openct', with Ubuntu.  Thanks in advance.
[05:12] <Johoho> phrost: thanks
[05:12] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: actually I tend to agree with you. I'm just being silly :)
[05:13] <ogra> Kapputu: it's simply a way old app youre using there.....
[05:14] <thoreauputic> ogra: yeah, old and good (never crashes here and does its job)
[05:14] <rye> Could somebody type `which opensc' and paste the results here?
[05:15] <ogra> thoreauputic: did gnome-terminal ever crash for you ?
[05:15] <Kapputu> I can understand
[05:15] <ogra> rye:
[05:15] <Kapputu> the man page gave me like 10 errors
[05:15] <stuNNed_> hi ogra
[05:15] <stuNNed_> hi all
[05:15] <ogra> stuNNed: hi ;)
[05:15] <Kapputu> when I launch aterm from the panel why doesn't it get the focus ?
[05:15] <thoreauputic> ogra: yes actually - and did some odd things with fonts as well (but that could just be my mistakes)
[05:15] <Kapputu> hi stuNNed
[05:15] <Kapputu> welcome back
[05:15] <stuNNed_> hi Kapputu, thanks
[05:16] <ogra> thoreauputic: in the current version ?
[05:16] <Kapputu> gnome terminal is kinda screwed up
[05:16] <thoreauputic> Kapputu: that's agnome thing- aterm is an X app and gnome doesn't want to play with it nicely
[05:16] <noneus> that's why i use aterm
[05:16] <Phr0stByte> Johoho: you a developer?
[05:16] <Kapputu> when I was a Teaching Assistant for Operating Systems last year, the students would demo their program
[05:17] <thoreauputic> ogra: no, an older one- probably it has improved since :)
[05:17] <rye> ogra: So I take it the program isn't there?
[05:17] <Kapputu> and anything that used the terminal would throw up some juk
[05:17] <Kapputu> *juk => junk
[05:17] <ogra> rye: yes, what does it do ?
[05:17] <Kapputu> I think it has to do with terminal settings
[05:18] <thoreauputic> ogra: also gnome terminal was much slower on large files
[05:18] <Kapputu> gnome uses vt102 ?
[05:18] <ztonzy> anyone knows how to get the ~bin/ working  even if .bash_profile is set for that path ??
[05:19] <ogra> thoreauputic: on large files ?
[05:19] <rye> ogra: The combination of openct and opensc make a package for using smartcards and usb devices which contain a smartcard chip on them.  Smartcards are used to store private SSH keys, among other keys, to provide you with two-factor authentication.
[05:19] <thoreauputic> ogra: like listing lots of files or numbers
[05:19] <ogra> thoreauputic: with vi/less ?
[05:19] <ogra> rye: so its encryption ?
[05:20] <Kapputu> if I need to install source I say sudo apt-get install linux-source-`uname -r` ?
[05:21] <ogra> rye: ogra@newmonkey:~ $ apt-cache search opensc
[05:21] <ogra> rye: libetoken - PC/SC Driver for Aladdin's eToken usb plug
[05:21] <ogra> rye: this one ?
[05:21] <thoreauputic> ogra: try this on gnome-terminal and on rxvt or aterm:
[05:21] <thoreauputic> time seq -f 'teeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeest %g' 1000000
[05:22] <rye> ogra: Yes, it's related to encryption and yes you've found the exact thing I want!  I have an Aladdin USB eToken Pro!
[05:22] <ogra> rye:: so install it ;)
[05:23] <Kapputu> how do I install kernel source ?
[05:23] <Kapputu> is it linux-source or linux-headers ?
[05:23] <rye> ogra: So in Ubuntu software is installed by using the Debian command `apt-get'?
[05:23] <ogra> rye: synaptic or apt-get or aptitude....
[05:24] <ogra> thoreauputic: my cpu burns !!!
[05:24] <stvn> ogra: don't forget dselect ;)
[05:24] <rye> ogra: So synaptic lists the openct/opensc packages?
[05:24] <ogra> stvn: booo
[05:25] <amathis> ogra, what was that nvidia install help site for ubuntu?? I want to archive it
[05:25] <ogra> rye: you'll need universe enabled: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[05:25] <ogra> amathis: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:26] <thoreauputic> ogra: heheh - yeah it's pretty cpu intensive :) I get about 43 seconds for aterm, gnome-terminal is still counting!!
[05:26] <ogra> stvn: try getting your mom installing packages with dselect *g*
[05:26] <Kapputu> how do I install kernel source ?
[05:26] <Kapputu> is it linux-source or linux-headers ?
[05:27] <thoreauputic> ogra: oh, that's a cruel thing to do to your mom :)
[05:27] <ogra> thoreauputic: real    3m12.504s
[05:27] <ogra> yep ;))
[05:27] <stvn> ogra: I did with debian :( tried to get out as quickly as possible and install aptitude 0.1 ;)
[05:27] <ogra> stvn: :)
[05:28] <thoreauputic> ogra: gnome-terminal is still crunching, here *grin*
[05:28] <ogra> Kapputu: the source is the source.....
[05:28] <ogra> thoreauputic: cpu ?
[05:28] <rye> ogra: Thanks for looking up that information for me.  I do appreciate it.
[05:28] <thoreauputic> ogra: 100%
[05:28] <ogra> rye: come back if you got new issues...we'll be here ;)
[05:28] <Kapputu> what's the headers used for ?
[05:29] <Poyayan> anyone here use arjunta?
[05:29] <ogra> thoreauputic: i meant the version
[05:29] <rye> ogra: I've got a PC running NetBSD at work and an iBook at home, which I'm using now.  I should be able to install Ubuntu on both computers and then use the USB eToken Pro.  Cool.
[05:29] <thoreauputic> ogra; aterm 43 seconds real; gnome-terminal 4m49.135s real (it's just a 2Ghz celeron)
[05:30] <ogra> thoreauputic: mine is a 900mhz p3, actually faster
[05:30] <ogra> thoreauputic: real    3m12.504s
[05:30] <thoreauputic> ogra: yes, the celeron was all I could afford at the time, and a p3 is probably better
[05:31] <thoreauputic> ogra: also the newer version in ubuntu is probably faster than my gnome-terminal
[05:31] <thoreauputic> ogra: but my aterm eats it for breakfast (43 seconds)
[05:32] <BrianB04> I'm back in Linux. I do get one strange error when I ifup my net card, it gripes about set
[05:32] <ogra> thoreauputic: do you ever have the caser to list 1000000 files ? seems esoteric....
[05:33] <thoreauputic> ogra: of course - it's just a test - I saw it here: http://lwn.net/Articles/88161/
[05:33] <Matt|> can anyone think of a good colour for aterm if the background is predominantly greenish?
[05:33] <thoreauputic> ogra: in the real world the difference is much less important of course :)
[05:34] <thoreauputic> ogra: you're bent ;)
[05:34] <thoreauputic> *grin*
[05:34] <Echylo> a good emule equivalent for ubuntu that hasn't such a difficult install progress like amule?
[05:34] <ogra> thoreauputic: worked in dataminig in my company until last week ... there you get such csv files....
[05:35] <thoreauputic> ogra: I can imagine
[05:35] <ogra> thoreauputic: and vim does it absolutely flawless if its once loaded
[05:35] <thoreauputic> anyway, late here - goodnight!
[05:35] <Echylo> heey?
[05:35] <Echylo> a good p2p program?
[05:35] <ogra> Echylo: xmule
[05:36] <Echylo> xmule
[05:36] <Echylo> ok
[05:36] <Echylo> sounds like I tried it already, but lets give it a chance
[05:36] <nictuku> my mouse is in ttyS0. should I use /dev/ttyS0 as my mouse location? If I want to use the new /dev/input/mice, what do I have to configure? It's not working.
[05:36] <ogra> Echylo: its actually the sam as emule on win
[05:37] <ogra> nictuku: run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 in a terminal
[05:37] <Echylo> okay that was the easy part of the question, next one is a challenge :p
[05:37] <Echylo> do they use the same config files?
[05:37] <Echylo> cause
[05:37] <ogra> Echylo: maybe ;)
[05:37] <Echylo> I have dual boot
[05:38] <Matt|> can anyone think of a good colour for aterm if the background is predominantly greenish?
[05:38] <Matt|> is there a package for mplayer skins?
[05:38] <Echylo> and I want to let the downloads from xp continue in ubuntu
[05:38] <nictuku> ogra, I did. I want to know if I can use the input/mice device interface file for a serial mice.
[05:38] <ogra> Echylo: but i think the underlying bits are the same
[05:38] <Echylo> but that's impossible?
[05:39] <Kapputu> one of my machines has only linux on it
[05:39] <ogra> Echylo: so it could work.... make a backup of the old dir....point xmule to the emule dir and try
[05:39] <Kapputu> this is a big leap for me
[05:39] <nictuku> well thanks anyway
[05:39] <Echylo> okay
[05:40] <ogra> Echo: xmule uses ~/.xmule by default
[05:40] <Echylo> key,
[05:40] <Echylo> thinks its gonna have troubles with the gtk
[05:41] <ogra> Echylo: gtk is just the user interface
[05:41] <Echylo> yea, but it always gives me troubles
[05:41] <Echylo> so let's wait and see
[05:41] <ogra> Echylo: try it....
[05:41] <Echylo> you see
[05:41] <Echylo> error :)
[05:41] <Echylo> configure: error:
[05:41] <Echylo>             Please check that wx-config is in path, the directory
[05:41] <Echylo>             where wxWindows libraries are installed (returned by
[05:41] <Echylo>             'wx-config --libs' command) is in LD_LIBRARY_PATH or
[05:41] <Echylo>             equivalent variable and wxWindows is version 2.4.0 or above.
[05:41] <ogra> Echylo: where
[05:41] <Echylo>             Or this might also be a bug in our configure. Please try again
[05:41] <Echylo>             with --with-wx-config=/usr/bin/wx-config
[05:41] <Echylo>             (replace /usr/bin/wx-config with a valid path to your wx-config)
[05:41] <Echylo>             * Note:
[05:42] <Echylo>             Most probably, either one of the above aren't correct, you don't
[05:42] <ogra> Echylo: stoop
[05:42] <Echylo>             have wxGTK installed, or are missing wxGTK-devel (or equivalent) package.
[05:42] <stvn> ew
[05:42] <Kapputu> any good IDE's for remote development ?
[05:42] <stvn> foei
[05:42] <Echylo> ew
[05:42] <Echylo> indeed
[05:42] <Echylo> dutch?
[05:42] <Echylo> :p
[05:42] <stvn> yeah
[05:42] <ogra> Echylo: did you install the ubuntu pkg ?
[05:42] <Echylo> which pkg?
[05:42] <ogra> Echylo: german ;) right behind the border
[05:42] <Echylo> I'm compiling it
[05:42] <ogra> Echylo: why ? there is a pkg
[05:43] <Echylo> oooww
[05:43] <Echylo> apt-get?
[05:43] <ogra> Echylo: got universe on ? then yes
[05:43] <Echylo> damn
[05:43] <ThreeDayMonk> is it possible to start an app with no windows decorations in metacity?
[05:44] <Echylo> universe?
[05:44] <ogra> Echylo: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[05:44] <stvn> Echylo: check the repositories in synaptic
[05:44] <stvn> en terecht ;)
[05:44] <Echylo> pfuh
[05:44] <Echylo> kdraai al ffe linux
[05:44] <Echylo> maar eerste keer debian
[05:44] <Echylo> :p
[05:45] <stvn> Echylo: I figured that out, just joking ;)
[05:45] <Echylo> okay then :-)
[05:45] <Kapputu> how do I set the color in aterm ?
[05:47] <the-erm> that's interesting I don't even have aterm installed.  (of course I'm not running ubuntu)  I was thinking about installing it .
[05:47] <stvn> Echylo: you've to think easy with ubuntu, not 'source and compile' ;)
[05:47] <Echylo> :)
[05:47] <Echylo> I was used to Mandrake
[05:48] <Seveas> just aptitude/synaptic/dselect/apt-get/dpkg :)
[05:48] <stvn> ah k
[05:48] <the-erm> Interesting I'm running mandrake.
[05:48] <stvn> Seveas: forget dselect ;)
[05:48] <Echylo> I had a 5-boot system
[05:48] <Echylo> reduced it to 3 :p
[05:48] <Echylo> installing xmule btw
[05:48] <Seveas> lol stvn :)
[05:48] <Echylo> I was using, mandrake & xp, testing freebsd, mepis, ubuntu
[05:49] <the-erm> ThreeDayMonk: so do you like ubuntu better?
[05:49] <Echylo> now I use, freebsd, ubuntu & xp
[05:49] <ThreeDayMonk> the-erm: yeah, much better
[05:49] <the-erm> ThreeDayMonk: What are the main differences?
[05:49] <Echylo> yay
[05:49] <Echylo> it works
[05:49] <Echylo> thx
[05:49] <ThreeDayMonk> I installed an XP partition on this machine, just in case - I regret it now, because I haven't touched it since installing Ubuntu
[05:50] <ThreeDayMonk> the-erm: Mandrake is KDE; that's fine; I don't ind it.  But the repository handling in Mandrake seems more ungainly that apt-get
[05:50] <ThreeDayMonk> *don't mind
[05:50] <the-erm> I'm almost there with windows as well .. very close to getting rid of it all together.  However I have a wife that's used to it.
[05:51] <Treenaks> the-erm: you could teach her..
[05:51] <ThreeDayMonk> the-erm: there are some themes that look identical :-)
[05:51] <Echylo> and it's downloading :-)
[05:51] <Echylo> great
[05:52] <the-erm> I could ... however ... after having my dad spaz out on me because I installed a dual boot on his computer so I could administer it better ... I'm not quite ready to force it on her.
[05:52] <Treenaks> the-erm: I didn't say force..
[05:52] <ogra> Echylo: ;)
[05:52] <Treenaks> the-erm: I said teach (which starts with show, familiarize :))
[05:52] <stvn> the-erm: start with firefox and oo.o on windows
[05:52] <Echylo> thx ogra :-)
[05:53] <the-erm> ... what is oo.o?
[05:53] <Treenaks> the-erm: openoffice.org
[05:53] <Echylo> openoffice? :p
[05:53] <the-erm> oh
[05:53] <ogra> the-erm: openoffice
[05:53] <debonzi> hi all.. how to use the ubuntu install cd to make an rescue? Does anybody knows?
[05:53] <ThreeDayMonk> debonzi: boot and use Alt+F2
[05:53] <ThreeDayMonk> you should get another console
[05:54] <debonzi> ThreeDayMonk, tring.. thanks
[05:55] <Kapputu> I can't use ANjuta for remote development ??????
[05:56] <ThreeDayMonk> hey - if I wanted to open some applications on login, where would I put the commands?  in .gnomerc?
[05:56] <mjr> ThreeDayMonk, desktop preferences / sessions
[05:56] <ogra> ThreeDayMonk: Compute->desktop settings-> seeions
[05:57] <ogra> sess
[05:57] <ogra> mjg59: ;)
[05:57] <ThreeDayMonk> ah yes; thanks
[05:57] <Matt|> is there any way to change the text of the menus in xmms?
[05:57] <ogra> mjr: ;)
[05:57] <Matt|> sorry ok found it
[05:57] <debonzi> ThreeDayMonk, right.. I have the console, but I can't even mount my hard disk? /dev/hd** does not exist...  Is there an especial way to do that?
[05:58] <debonzi> s/disk?/disk
[05:58] <ThreeDayMonk> debonzi: maybe you should wait a little while into the boot, after it has probed for devices.  I don't know, though
[05:58] <Treenaks> h... where do I report this bug:
[05:59] <ThreeDayMonk> debonzi: i.e the point at which the installer starts asking about partitions should be good
[05:59] <Treenaks> a CSV file that start with an UTF-16 BOM (little-endian) shows as a Text file (with the BOM showing as ISO-8859-1 text..), but when I click it, the icon changes to that of an MP3 file
[05:59] <Treenaks> +s
[06:00] <ThreeDayMonk> hmm... maybe it matches the mp3 starting bytes
[06:00] <debonzi> ThreeDayMonk, I see your point.. ill try it.. thanks again :)
[06:00] <ogra> Treenaks: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[06:00] <Treenaks> ogra: well duh :)
[06:01] <Treenaks> ogra: but which package :)
[06:01] <ogra> Treenaks: nautilus probably
[06:01] <stvn> Treenaks: looks like nautilus
[06:01] <stvn> or mime stuff
[06:01] <Treenaks> it'll get reassigned if it's wrong anyway..
[06:01] <Kapputu> any good IDE for remote development ?
[06:01] <Treenaks> Kapputu: vim, make
[06:02] <ThreeDayMonk> don't forget screen :-)
[06:02] <ogra> Treenaks: +ssh
[06:02] <Treenaks> ogra: true
[06:02] <Kapputu> never tried vim
[06:02] <Treenaks> Kapputu: then type 'vimtutor' instead of vim..
[06:04] <debonzi> ThreeDayMonk, yes .. it works.. thanks..
[06:04] <g-remy> Hi, how can i modify /boot/initrd.img to add module to the kernel before mounting / ?
[06:05] <g-remy> I wan't to add ieee1394, sbp2 to boot on a firewire disk
[06:05] <Kapputu> i can work with remote files ?
[06:06] <ogra> g-remy: look at mkinitrd (man mkdinitrd)
[06:07] <mirak> morning all
[06:07] <ogra> morning ?
[06:07] <Hikaru79> In Synaptic, what's the difference between "mark for removal" and "mark for complete removal"?
[06:07] <the-erm> morning.
[06:07] <Hikaru79> Morning, mirak :)
[06:07] <mirak> ogra, its noon here
[06:07] <ogra> mirak: 6pm here
[06:07] <mjr> Hikaru79, plain removal might leave config files around in case you reinstall the package sometime later
[06:07] <the-erm> 10am but enough about time.
[06:08] <Hikaru79> njr, ah thanks :) So there's no risk that if you use "complete removal" you'll end up deleting parts of other programs or anything right? O_O
[06:08] <Kapputu> how do I undo changes ?
[06:08] <Kapputu> HI Hiky
[06:08] <mjr> Hikaru79, nah
[06:08] <Hikaru79> :D Hey, kappu
[06:08] <Hikaru79> K, thanks ^__^
[06:08] <Treenaks> ogra: #3047 :)
[06:08] <Hikaru79> Man, I love ubuntu
[06:08] <Hikaru79> Every day I learn something new about it
[06:08] <Hikaru79> w00t for Linux
[06:08] <Phr0stByte> Hi Hikaru79
[06:09] <Hikaru79> Hi, Phr0st :)
[06:09] <Treenaks> Kapputu: undo changes? in what?
[06:09] <ogra> Treenaks: yay
[06:09] <Phr0stByte> Hikaru79: You know how to play Hanafuda?
[06:09] <Hikaru79> Nope :( Never heard of it...
[06:12] <ThreeDayMonk> card game with the kana, right?
[06:12] <Nermal> lo lo
[06:12] <Phr0stByte> yep
[06:13] <Nermal> does ubuntu have a package for blam and beep-media-player
[06:13] <deatheater> search for it
[06:13] <Nermal> I haven't installed it yet :|
[06:13] <stvn> Nermal: yes
[06:13] <Phr0stByte> ThreDayMonk: I am working on the Korean version called Gostop right now
[06:13] <Nermal> impressed it finds my vaio's pcmcia cdrom though
[06:14] <ThreeDayMonk> Phr0stByte: gostop doesn't sound very korean!
[06:14] <Phr0stByte> heh
[06:14] <Phr0stByte> Koreans utilize many english words - same as Japanese do
[06:14] <ThreeDayMonk> I was in Korea last month, actually
[06:15] <Phr0stByte> ThreDayMonk: http://www.scapegoatsoftware.com/img/gostop-menu-1.jpg
[06:15] <Phr0stByte> ThreDayMonk: I lived there over 3 years
[06:15] <callisto> ji
[06:15] <Phr0stByte> ThreDayMonk: got married there too
[06:15] <callisto> hi
[06:15] <Hikaru79> Phr0stbyte: Do you play Go? (Wei'qi in Chinese, Badook in Korean)
[06:16] <ThreeDayMonk> did you ever try beondegi?
[06:16] <Phr0stByte> Hikaru79: no
[06:16] <Hikaru79> =/ Shucks
[06:16] <Phr0stByte> ThreDayMonk: whats that?
[06:16] <Phr0stByte> food?
[06:16] <ThreeDayMonk> Phr0stByte: silkworm pupae
[06:17] <Phr0stByte> ewwwwwwwwwwww
[06:17] <ThreeDayMonk> tastes... nutty :-)
[06:17] <Phr0stByte> I'll stick to Soju
[06:17] <ThreeDayMonk> I was a bit disappointed by soju - I expected it to be stronger!
[06:18] <RubenV> vim lovers here?
[06:18] <ThreeDayMonk> aye
[06:18] <Phr0stByte> ThreDayMonk: drink the whole bottle - then another
[06:18] <RubenV> good
[06:18] <ogra> RubenV: yep
[06:18] <Phr0stByte> and another
[06:18] <RubenV> i have a problem with my vim
[06:18] <ThreeDayMonk> Phr0stByte: hehe
[06:18] <ThreeDayMonk> what's that fermented rice drink?
[06:18] <RubenV> how do i get it to jump to the last edited position?
[06:18] <RubenV> on gentoo it did
[06:19] <RubenV> but when i copied over my .vimrc, it doesn't do it anymore on ubuntu
[06:19] <Phr0stByte> ThreDayMonk: Soju is made from a Korean sweet-potato
[06:19] <Phr0stByte> so its more on par with vodka
[06:19] <ThreeDayMonk> Phr0stByte: yeah - but there is a milky-looking rice-based alcohol that's quite nice - I forgot the name though
[06:19] <Phr0stByte> (sometimes also used as a cleaning solution!)
[06:20] <ThreeDayMonk> on the US airbases in Europe, I heard that they often use the cheap BX vodka as anti-freeze - it's cheap and effective
[06:20] <RubenV> http://files.lambda1.be/misc/vimrc
[06:20] <RubenV> here's my current vimrc
[06:20] <ThreeDayMonk> RubenV: what's the relevant vim command?
[06:20] <ThreeDayMonk> og, OK, looking now
[06:20] <Qerub> Are i18n patches still accepted for Warty?
[06:21] <ogra> Quer: nope
[06:21] <RubenV> when i re-open a file, it should jump back to where i left
[06:21] <RubenV> must be some normal setting
[06:21] <RubenV> but can't find it
[06:21] <Qerub> ogra: Thanks.
[06:21] <ThreeDayMonk> ah, yes - I've seen that on some systems, but never knew how it did it
[06:21] <Qerub> ogra: And you're sure about that? :)
[06:22] <ThreeDayMonk> RubenV: some implementations also save the search buffer between launches
[06:22] <ogra> Queru: pretty sure, execpt it fixes security flaws too
[06:22] <RubenV> yes, my gentoo did that
[06:22] <ThreeDayMonk> RubenV: first result from google "vim save file position" : http://www.vim.org/tips/tip.php?tip_id=80
[06:23] <ogra> RubenV: i'd look for the systemwide vimrc if gentoo.... or at vim.org
[06:23] <ogra> of
[06:23] <RubenV> the one in gentoo cvs has nothing special
[06:23] <RubenV> so i'd think it would be something default
[06:24] <ogra> RubenV: never seen this in a default vim...
[06:24] <ogra> LOL
[06:24] <ThreeDayMonk> rubenv: diff /etc/vim/vimrc on the two platforms
[06:24] <RubenV> deatheater: hard to learn, hard to use anything else :)
[06:24] <deatheater> rtm
[06:25] <deatheater> 3 acronyms no ubuntu user seems to want to make peace with
[06:25] <RubenV> right, that tip on vim.org did it
[06:25] <RubenV> swell :)
[06:25] <ogra> deatheater: supporters neither ;)
[06:25] <RubenV> can't diff it now, the only gentoo box i have left is at university
[06:26] <RubenV> thanks all
[06:26] <lev> i've just added a new user (useradd user); the new user can't play audio cdroms (but can mount data cds)
[06:26] <lev> is this at all related to sudo or other default permissions?
[06:26] <ogra> lev: sudo adduser <your new user> audio
[06:27] <lev> ogra, thanks, I'll try that.
[06:27] <deatheater> he added the user already why not just add the user to the audo group the smart way
[06:27] <lev> deatheater, how would that be?
[06:27] <deatheater> oh i don'tknow gpasswd or usermod
[06:28] <ThreeDayMonk> foo
[06:28] <lev> deatheater, i've used both usermod and adduser for this type of thing -- what's the benefit?
[06:28] <ThreeDayMonk> oops - I was typing in another window :-)
[06:28] <deatheater> ones the smart way
[06:28] <Phr0stByte> Computer > sys config > Users and Groups
[06:28] <ThreeDayMonk> heh, rubenv was only down the road from me
[06:28] <ogra> Phr0stByte: yay thats smart ;)
[06:29] <Phr0stByte> lol
[06:29] <SuperLag> Do any of you guys dual-boot Ubuntu and another Linux distro?
[06:30] <deatheater> so much for using the real debian huh guys
[06:31] <ogra> SuperQ: seems not....
[06:31] <Hikaru79> Heh
[06:31] <Hikaru79> Bad auto-complete?
[06:31] <StormShaman> I have ubuntu 4.10, and in evolution 2, there seems to be a spam filter built in. sadly, it is not based on spamassassin, but that's ok. what bugs me is that although clicking the `junk' button files it as junk, nothing is ever put in the junk folder automatically
[06:31] <ogra> yep
[06:31] <StormShaman> what's wrong with evolution?
[06:31] <ogra> *g*
[06:31] <GotD0t> does anybody know why when i convert MP3's to wav's using mpg321 and then trying to burn them cdrdao tells me the headers are corrupted?
[06:31] <SuperLag> dammit :(
[06:31] <stvn> StormShaman: you've to train it
[06:31] <ThreeDayMonk> StormShaman: it's a slavish imitation of outlook, when it could do things better
[06:32] <lev> i had expected useradd to use a default group configuration -- i see i need to do some fixing to the groups. thanks for the help
[06:32] <deatheater> ha ah mp3 conversion is very hard
[06:32] <GotD0t> i havent had problems with any of my other mp3's
[06:32] <SuperLag> GRUB is being very difficult
[06:32] <ogra> GotD0t: use mp3burn
[06:32] <GotD0t> ive converted and burned at least 3 cd's, the same exact way
[06:32] <SuperLag> I can get my other distro to boot on /dev/sda but not Ubuntu on /dev/sdb
[06:32] <GotD0t> never had any problems
[06:33] <GotD0t> mp3burn doesn't like me
[06:33] <ogra> GotD0t: why ?
[06:33] <GotD0t> doesn't see my burner
[06:33] <deatheater> use lame to convert the files geez
[06:33] <ogra> GotD0t: its a cdrecord frontend
[06:33] <deatheater> or whichever encoder you have
[06:33] <deatheater> man you windows users can cry about stuff
[06:33] <GotD0t> ogra: well cdrdao works... but mp3burn doesnt seem to
[06:34] <StormShaman> ThreeDayMonk, heh
[06:34] <ogra> GotD0t: strang.....never had probs there
[06:34] <StormShaman> stvn, i am training it, but it doesn't drop *anything* in the junk folder
[06:34] <SuperLag> deatheater: I stopped crying after I quit using Windows. :)
[06:34] <deatheater> not from where i am standing
[06:35] <deatheater> 3 simple problem tht could be solved quite easily
[06:35] <deatheater> s*
[06:35] <SuperLag> deatheater: Are you referring to my GRUB issue as one of those 3 issues?
[06:35] <StormShaman> does evolution not drop spam in the spam folder until it has like 100 spams or something?
[06:35] <deatheater> oh yeah
[06:35] <maney> I'm probably just banging my head on an immovable wall, but... trying to install Warty for a server, so "custom", of course.  it would save time & effort if I could use available 250MB partition as sole fs (got plenty of RAM, ...
[06:35] <maney> don't need swap).  it *almost* works - runs out of space while unpacking linux-386.  any way to get it to clean up installed debs sooner than too late?
[06:35] <stvn> StormShaman: hm, dunno, got a serverside spamassassin myself
[06:36] <SuperLag> deatheater: then if you're so smart, do tell
[06:36] <ThreeDayMonk> deatheater: you're being harsh.  one can get used to the annoyances of linux, but when stuff doesn't work easily, it's a waste of everyone's time.
[06:36] <deatheater> R T M
[06:36] <GotD0t> ogra: does mp3burn do it in dao?
[06:36] <SuperLag> deatheater: you're not talking to a Linux newbie here, and I dare say you'd have EXACTLY the same issue.
[06:36] <ThreeDayMonk> manuals are sparse, and often badly written
[06:37] <deatheater> h aha
[06:37] <Kapputu> any alternative to using ESC in vim ?
[06:37] <Kapputu> I find it's too far
[06:37] <ogra> GotD0t: maybe....never fiddled around with it....worked out of the box.....
[06:37] <SuperLag> Kapputu: no.  It's a modal editor.
[06:37] <Kapputu> too far to reahc
[06:37] <Kapputu> reach
[06:37] <deatheater> hmmm wonders why the man command
[06:37] <SuperLag> Kapputu: then don't use vim
[06:37] <ThreeDayMonk> the skills learned in getting linux to do something are not inherently useful or transferable skills
[06:37] <SuperLag> Kapputu: use nano or some other editor
[06:37] <SuperLag> ThreeDayMonk: I beg to differ.
[06:37] <StormShaman> stvn, i think comcast uses brightmail, but they don't include headers in the email and allow me to filter it accordingly, they just block it from ending up in my inbox
[06:38] <ThreeDayMonk> SuperLag: well, is editing XF86Config by hand really useful?
[06:38] <Kapputu> how do I use vim for remote development ?
[06:38] <Kapputu> or emacs for that matter
[06:38] <stuNNed_> Kapputu: through ssh?
[06:39] <StormShaman> stvn, i might miss important emails that way
[06:39] <SuperLag> ThreeDayMonk: yes, it is.  It forces you to get to know your system, your hardware... and how to troubleshoot.
[06:39] <SuperLag> ThreeDayMonk: among other things
[06:39] <ogra> deatheater: ubuntu is more than rtfm: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[06:39] <stvn> StormShaman: yeah, that's annoying, check evo faqs
[06:39] <SuperLag> ThreeDayMonk: if you don't want to edit a text file, you need to stop using Linux now.  Seriously.
[06:39] <deatheater> than commie
[06:40] <ThreeDayMonk> SuperLag: I'm not talking about me
[06:40] <SuperLag> Okay.
[06:40] <Kapputu> no without using ssh
[06:40] <ThreeDayMonk> I have Ubuntu running on a triple-head desktop :-)
[06:40] <Kapputu> can I open a file from emacs using ssh
[06:40] <StormShaman> stvn, but doesn't evolution use spamassassin by default? i thought using bogofilter or whatever was a modification by ubuntu
[06:40] <SuperLag> ThreeDayMonk: what kind of video card?
[06:40] <ThreeDayMonk> but I despise l337 posturing that holds that editing a config file is a good thing.  It's not
[06:40] <Kapputu> i.e without using the ssh-cleint ?
[06:40] <SuperLag> ThreeDayMonk: Matrox Parhelis? :)
[06:41] <ThreeDayMonk> SuperLag: one PCI ATI and one dual-head nVidia
[06:41] <ThreeDayMonk> (on AGP)
[06:41] <stvn> StormShaman: I believed evo changed from bogofilter to spamassassin recently, maybe it didn't go into ubuntu
[06:41] <tuxx> I have a problem with the Hotplug subsystem. Sometimes, like 50/50 it hangs uppon boot and I have to reset my computer. Now.. if I alter my USB ports in BIOS from 6 to 4 it boots perfecte. Sadly those last 2 ports are on the mobo internally with my internal cardreader plugged in.
[06:41] <ogra> deatheater: especially: When you are unsure, ask for help.
[06:41] <StormShaman> stvn, hmm, so it did use bogofilter? well OK
[06:42] <deatheater> mwa ha ha you guys rock
[06:42] <maney> Kapputu: without ssh?  so how do you expect to access remote files, then?
[06:42] <SuperLag> ThreeDayMonk: it's not leet posturing.  It's FACT.  _EVERYTHING_ in Linux is a file.  That is NOT going to change.  The ability to edit a text file is not good or bad.  It's ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.  And the ability to do so does not make you any better or worse than anyone else.  It just makes you a Linux user.
[06:43] <tuxx> How would I overcome that problem?
[06:43] <ThreeDayMonk> SuperLag: I just feel that it should be the only way of doing so many things
[06:43] <ogra> later....
[06:43] <HauntedUnix> SuperLag: What else could it be?
[06:43] <ThreeDayMonk> *shouldn't be
[06:43] <HauntedUnix> SuperLag: than a file?
[06:43] <Kapputu> maney: like emacs directly opening up an ftp connection or something
[06:43] <maney> SuperLag: that's not entirely true, unless you ignore Linux that's inside appliances
[06:43] <SuperLag> ThreeDayMonk: there's an answer for that.  A resolution.  It's called "use a different OS"
[06:44] <HauntedUnix> Hey Dopple, whassup?
[06:44] <ThreeDayMonk> SuperLag: why?  everyone should use windows if they aren't cool enough for linux?
[06:44] <stvn> SuperLag: I know quite some linux users who never ever going to touch a text file
[06:44] <maney> Kapputu: oh, I see.  dunno, I've never scaled Mt. Emacs
[06:44] <ThreeDayMonk> that's a very elitist attitude
[06:44] <SuperLag> ThreeDayMonk: no it's not
[06:44] <SuperLag> ThreeDayMonk: who said anything about cool?
[06:44] <deatheater> he eh nada HauntedUnix
[06:44] <deatheater> enjoying my handy work
[06:45] <HauntedUnix> deatheater: you using ubuntu yet?
[06:45] <stvn> ThreeDayMonk: if you want a tweaked system you need to be able to edit text files, just like you need to be able to mess around in regedit for windows, other than that modern distros work quite well for ppl who don't want to edit text files
[06:45] <Kapputu> VPN connection terminated by peer, what does that mean ?
[06:45] <deatheater> HauntedUnix: hell no
[06:45] <Phr0stByte> ThreDayMonk: Even when you change a preferance in a program, it changes a line in a text file
[06:45] <SuperLag> stvn: what if X won't start, and all you have access to is the command line?
[06:46] <ThreeDayMonk> stvn: I'll agree that it's getting better, but it's not there yet - and it's this kind of attitude that holds back progress in usability
[06:46] <Klowner> anyone know of some sort of program that'll set up my wireless network card depending on what location I'm at? ie. home, work, etc. ?
[06:46] <Phr0stByte> ThreDayMonk: Windows does the same thing - they just call them .ini
 ThreDayMonk: Even when you change a preferance in a program, it changes a line in a text file <-- BINGO
[06:46] <Kapputu> VPN connection terminated by peer, what does that mean ?
[06:46] <stvn> SuperLag: ever tried installing windows on a mac?
[06:46] <stvn> SuperLag: as long as the hardware is supported noone needs to edit text files
[06:46] <deatheater> Kapputu: just what it says
[06:46] <SuperLag> stvn: yes, I've done it.  It was SLOW.
[06:46] <maney> Kapputu: google(emacs remote file).  first hit looks excessively relevant: http://www.linux-mag.com/2003-12/diy_01.html
[06:46] <Kapputu> it's not accepting my connection ?
[06:47] <stvn> ThreeDayMonk: I agree, but it's not just linux devs (or mostly users) who are holding it back
[06:47] <ThreeDayMonk> Phr0stByte: oh, sure, it has text files, and databases - but that's not the point - it's the absence of straightforward ways to set things up that don't blow up on a misplaced character
[06:47] <SuperLag> stvn: that is 100% NOT true
[06:47] <stvn> SuperLag: why?
[06:47] <SuperLag> because hardware fails
[06:47] <stvn> SuperLag: so, you put in new hardware
[06:47] <SuperLag> because some utilities/programs don't have hooks into the GUI
[06:48] <stvn> SuperLag: those utilities/progs are not used by those who don't edit text files
[06:48] <SuperLag> Ohhhh, I get it.
[06:48] <stvn> 'those who don't edit text files' sounds like 'those we do not speak off' ;)
[06:48] <maney> of course I haven't setup a server with apache, postgresql, bind9, etc., etc.
[06:48] <maney> yet
[06:48] <nimc> to which (xmodmap) file in ubuntu can i add lines like "keycode 234 = F19" that would be applied when X starts ?
[06:49] <SuperLag> The idea then is to make Linux as close to Windows as possible.
[06:49] <SuperLag> Yeah, that's right.
[06:49] <Phr0stByte> ThreDayMonk: You could also look into Mandrake - it has nice graphical front-ends for system config
[06:49] <SuperLag> sorry... apples and oranges
[06:49] <deatheater> ha ha
[06:49] <deatheater> Phr0stByte: knows from experience
[06:49] <ThreeDayMonk> Phr0stByte: heh - I'm not talking about myself here - I can get this working
[06:49] <SuperLag> yeah, but EVERY GUI tool STILL modifies a TEXT FILE
[06:49] <stvn> SuperLag: no it's not, the aim is to get an OS that just works, without losing to configuration power of it
[06:49] <maney> SuperLag: that sounds like *your* idea.  I'd like to see Linux as easy to use as Windwos, sure, but it should be *better*, not a bad copy
[06:49] <SuperLag> maney: no, it's not my idea
[06:49] <stvn> SuperLag: yeah, i know, you know but 'those' don't want to know
[06:50] <maney> kind of like OS/2 toered above Windows 3.x back then
[06:50] <maney> SuperLag: sorry, it wasn't clear that you ststed it to reject it, then
[06:50] <Phr0stByte> ThreDayMonk: Thats cool, but nothing wrong with Mandrake - I used it for years and am still a Club member
[06:50] <ThreeDayMonk> Phr0stByte: it's just kcontrol in mandrake, anyway
[06:51] <GotD0t> i have an audigy and my surround sound doesnt work... i only have 2 channels
[06:51] <ThreeDayMonk> apt-get install kcontrol on ubuntu, and you get most of the same stuff
[06:51] <nimc> anyone knows? i'm not sure where... it's not in home dir
[06:51] <Kapputu> what's 'makeinfo' ??
[06:51] <Kapputu> when I configure tramp, I get an error which says makeinfo is not found and quits
[06:52] <maney> tool for manipulating GNU info files
[06:52] <nimc> asking again: to which (xmodmap) file in ubuntu can i add lines like "keycode 234 = F19" that would be applied when X starts ?
[06:52] <stvn> ThreeDayMonk: the main problem with linux still is instalation, you might run in not/badly supported hardware, but once it's up and running it's fine, housemates run it here without a problem and they're not interested in how it works, just that it works
[06:52] <Kapputu> how do I install that maney ?
[06:53] <ThreeDayMonk> stvn: you're right there - it's just that the range of tasks that can be achieved by a default installation is limited
[06:53] <StormShaman> well, i don't know what's wrong with evolution, oh well
[06:53] <maney> Kapputu: in Woody it's part of package texinfo
[06:53] <maney> Kapputu: same in Ubuntu
[06:53] <SmokingFire> ubuntu is going down on distro watch.
[06:53] <Phr0stByte> StormShaman: you having a prob with Evo?
[06:53] <stvn> ThreeDayMonk: maybe so, but synaptic helps a long way there ;)
[06:53] <dr_dindic> *klickklick*
[06:54] <SuperLag> stvn: so... I have a GRUB problem.  Mind telling me what graphical tool I'm going to use to fix it?
[06:54] <ThreeDayMonk> stvn: yeah, synaptic is nice - but so many things still need google and a tweak
[06:54] <ThreeDayMonk> getting a palm working, for example
[06:54] <ThreeDayMonk> SuperLag: why shouldn't there by a graphical tool to configure grub?
[06:54] <ThreeDayMonk> *there be
[06:55] <stvn> SuperLag: how did you manage to get a grub problem in the first place?
[06:55] <SuperLag> ThreeDayMonk: if you know of such a tool, speak up.
[06:55] <ThreeDayMonk> maybe there isn't one, but it would certainly help in ensuring that you get a system that boots next time
[06:55] <Phr0stByte> Mandrake has one...
[06:55] <stvn> SuperLag: the trouble starts when ppl starts messing withstuff without knowledge, but most pl will not try to do so in the first place
[06:55] <Kapputu> hmm I'm trying to install tramp
[06:55] <ThreeDayMonk> mandrake doesn't use grub iirc
[06:56] <tuxx> Is there a way to get a nice graphical boot on the install version like on the Live standard?
[06:56] <SuperLag> stvn: are you insinuating that I don't have knowledge? :)
[06:56] <alf> speaking of messing with stuff without knowledge...
[06:56] <stvn> SuperLag: btw there's grubconf
[06:56] <SuperLag> stvn: $first_distro on /dev/sda, Ubuntu on /dev/sdb
[06:56] <Kapputu> when I do sudo make install , I get an error : cp dir_sample /usr/local/info/dir
[06:56] <SuperLag> stvn: not available to me, if I cannot boot Ubuntu (which is the case)
[06:56] <alf> say i decided to switch to the hoary packages (too early, to be honest), and found that my cd drives and sound card weren't detected (which were working under warty), how would i go about trying to get them detected again?
[06:56] <Kapputu> it says it cannot create /usr/local/info/dir
[06:56] <stvn> SuperLag: like I said before, once it's up n running you don't need to edit text files, installation is still tricky
[06:57] <stvn> SuperLag: huh, ubuntu didn't install?
[06:57] <maney> hey, Kapputu, did you look for a packaged version?  Tramp appears to be in Debian's testing (Ubuntu needs a more convenient way to dig for packages without knowing the exact name)
[06:57] <SuperLag> no, Ubuntu installed fine, but you can't put on two bootloaders on two different drives and expect there not to be problems
[06:57] <stvn> maney: like search in description and name?
[06:57] <sidney> can anybody tell me how to change my locale?
[06:58] <sidney> im getting words like "colour" i spell that "color"
[06:58] <deatheater> take a bus
[06:58] <deatheater> he eh
[06:58] <sivang> sidney: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[06:58] <maney> Debian: [ Distribution: testing ]  [ Section: editors ]  Package: tramp (1:2.0.45-1)
[06:58] <stvn> SuperLag: ah, but that's 'advanced' stuff, I know noone foolish enough to install two linux distros without being able to edit a text file ;)
[06:58] <sivang> sidney: choose the ones you want, it would also let you choose a default one to be used.
[06:58] <deatheater> ha ha
[06:58] <maney> this one should be easy, but I don't... oh, right, i don't use universe on that box
[06:58] <ThreeDayMonk> sidney: many Linux packages are written in British English only
[06:59] <sidney> thats in the gimp
[06:59] <maney> ThreeDayMonk: that's just so sad
[06:59] <ThreeDayMonk> it's karma for there being no BE versions of commercial software ever :-)
[06:59] <ThreeDayMonk> maney: I like it!  I hate seeing American English everyshere in Windows
[06:59] <deatheater> behaviour with a u damn it
[07:00] <sidney> so which one should i use for american english?
[07:00] <ThreeDayMonk> besides, it's the more common spelling - UK, Ireland, Canada, India, Malaysia, ...
[07:00] <nimc> anyone knows which xmodmap file that i can modify is used on start?
[07:00] <ThreeDayMonk> sidney: en_US
[07:00] <ThreeDayMonk> choose utf8/iso8859-1 as you like
[07:00] <maney> Kapputu: tramp appears to be in Warty/universe
[07:01] <sidney> I have 3 choices
[07:01] <topyli> ThreeDayMonk: you should see a Finnish interface. give me en_US any day :)
[07:01] <SuperLag> :)
[07:01] <sidney> 1. en_US ISO-8859-1
[07:01] <ThreeDayMonk> topyli: I imagine every dialogue is twice the size :-)
[07:01] <Kapputu> yeah I installed it
[07:01] <sidney> 2.  en_US.ISO-8859-15 ISO-8859-15
[07:01] <maney> excellent!
[07:01] <ThreeDayMonk> sidney: 2 has the Euro sign
[07:01] <stvn> topyli: you can at least understand the individual characters, try chinese
[07:01] <sidney> 3. en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
[07:01] <deatheater> Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have.
[07:01] <SuperLag> LOL
[07:01] <stvn> lol
[07:01] <deatheater> he he
[07:01] <ThreeDayMonk> sidney: 3 allows you to display more foreign writing systems
[07:02] <Phr0stByte> ?????
[07:02] <ThreeDayMonk> I have en_GB.UTF-8 so that I can see japanese, korean, etc
[07:02] <ThreeDayMonk> stvn: chinese characters aren't so hard
[07:03] <stvn> ThreeDayMonk: there are just so many of them
[07:03] <topyli> stvn: heh, the translations for simple things like "file" seem to be difficult. i'm not mocking the translators though, they are doing valuable work
[07:03] <Phr0stByte> ???
[07:03] <stvn> indeed
[07:03] <ThreeDayMonk> stvn: yeah, but a few thousand get you a long way - and they are spelled from about 200-odd radicals
[07:04] <deatheater> gn00b
[07:04] <stvn> ThreeDayMonk: it took me several years to be able to properly read and write dutch and that only has 26 characters, imagine learning the odd 1000 chinese ;)
[07:04] <sidney> grr... im still getting things like "colour" and "Dialogues"
[07:04] <deatheater> sidney: i have a suggestion learn english
[07:04] <deatheater> he eh
[07:04] <ThreeDayMonk> stvn: dutch is hard because the orthography is very different to other european languages
[07:04] <stvn> fok++
[07:04] <xenonite> stvn: imagine how many chinese know their language
[07:05] <topyli> ThreeDayMonk: utf-8 will save the world, once everybody uses it. but how to convince those who can get by with 7 bits?
[07:05] <stvn> xenonite: heh, true
[07:05] <ThreeDayMonk> topyli: I used to think so, but unicode has some problems
[07:05] <ThreeDayMonk> it needs zero-width locale-selector characters
[07:05] <stvn> ThreeDayMonk: I don't know that word but I know dutch is strange and difficult
[07:05] <deatheater> remember folks as bill gates once said
[07:05] <topyli> xenonite: a 7-year old chinese kid is smarter than me, they know chinese already!
[07:05] <deatheater> If you really think there's a bug you should report a bug. Maybe you're not using it properly. Have you ever considered that? (Bill Gates, FOCUS magazine(nr.43, October 23,1995, pages 206-212)
[07:06] <topyli> ThreeDayMonk: true, it's not perfect
[07:06] <GotD0t> i have a few mp3's with only one channel of data, is there a way i can duplicate the channel?
[07:06] <ThreeDayMonk> topyli: it is hard to mix japanese/chinese/korean because of han unification
[07:07] <ThreeDayMonk> you can do it in xhtml with xml:lang attributes, but in the basic text, it's not possible
[07:07] <stvn> topyli: about 80% of the population above 7 is smarter than me because they already know a foreign language I don't
[07:07] <topyli> ThreeDayMonk: uhhh... i'll take your word because i have no idea myself :)
[07:07] <sidney> brittish english sucks
[07:07] <ThreeDayMonk> sidney: your spelling sucks too :-)
[07:07] <sidney> they overuse characters
[07:07] <sidney> haha
[07:07] <GotD0t> american english sucks
[07:07] <sidney> english sucks
[07:07] <Nermal> . in ubuntu.. after he first reboot.. is is supposed to just drop into apt and install 527 additional packages ?
[07:07] <GotD0t> amen
[07:07] <deatheater> oui
[07:07] <nimc> help? i'm trying to find which file xmodmap executes on startup (if at all)... anyone knows?
[07:07] <deatheater> l'anglais est merde
[07:07] <topyli> bad english is the lingua franca!
[07:07] <sidney> but of the two, the american version is better
[07:07] <xenonite> topyli: dont underestimate the knowledge of children ;)
[07:07] <deatheater> allora tutti devonon parlare l'italiano
[07:07] <stvn> francais ausi
[07:07] <deatheater> ou fala portugues
[07:08] <GotD0t> sidney: thats a matter of perspective
[07:08] <neuro|laptop> dear oh dear
[07:08] <sidney> spanglish
[07:08] <topyli> perkeleen ulkomaalaiset
[07:08] <deatheater> o espanol tambien
[07:08] <sidney> thats what we need
[07:08] <GotD0t> haha
[07:08] <deatheater> h aha ah ah
[07:08] <GotD0t> just go to miami sidney... thats all we speak down here
[07:08] <runo> portugus tambm?
[07:08] <stvn> eu intendo portugese
[07:08] <deatheater> si vous ne pouvez pas parler le francais 2 bad
[07:08] <runo> so, which language is "decent"?
[07:08] <stvn> dutch
[07:08] <deatheater> he eh
[07:08] <neuro|laptop> troops, take this to #polemics
[07:08] <GotD0t> perl
[07:08] <ThreeDayMonk> japanese is easy; the writing is hard
[07:08] <sidney> psh... i go to school in spanish harlem in nyc... i know what spanglish is
[07:08] <stvn> hehe
[07:08] <deatheater> non lo so
[07:08] <topyli> C
[07:08] <xenonite> hm what does decent mean? *fg*
[07:08] <ThreeDayMonk> dutch is easy to understand, but hard to pronounce
[07:09] <Phr0stByte> I prefer sign o0|0o
[07:09] <topyli> dutch sounds like they're cursing all the time :)
[07:09] <GotD0t> haha
[07:09] <ThreeDayMonk> which sign?  it's even more fragmented than spoken languages
[07:09] <|progenic|> haha is it ?
[07:09] <stvn> and difficult to write, half of the dutch population makes mistakes in speaking/writing it
[07:09] <runo> same thing happens in chile
[07:09] <|progenic|> but dutch is close to german, i mean the way they speak
[07:09] <deatheater> ha ha
[07:09] <ThreeDayMonk> topyli: Dutch: the only language where you can spit in someone's face and not get beaten up
[07:09] <topyli> hehe
[07:09] <stvn> topyli: it's very useful if you're pissed at someone in a foreign country, just curse in dutch, the back off immediatly
[07:10] <Phr0stByte> ThreeDayMonk: just one sign in particular
[07:10] <stvn> ThreeDayMonk: lol
[07:10] <|progenic|> arshloch :P hahaha
[07:10] <Phr0stByte> ThreeDayMonk: the one that involves a protruding middle finger
[07:10] <ThreeDayMonk> .|..
[07:10] <stvn> |progenic|: that's german ;)
[07:10] <Kapputu> Why does OpenSSH ask for my password each time I save a remote file I opened for editing ?
[07:10] <|progenic|> :S
[07:10] <|progenic|> yeah i know
[07:10] <Kapputu> is there a way to change this behavior ??
[07:10] <xenonite> |progenic|: and you misspelled it
[07:11] <stvn> hehe
[07:11] <|progenic|> :$
[07:11] <|progenic|> haven't speak german for quite so long
[07:11] <GotD0t> spoken*
[07:11] <xenonite> ;)
[07:11] <xenonite> so where do you stay now progenic?
[07:11] <|progenic|> singapore
[07:11] <xenonite> whow far away, cool
[07:11] <|progenic|> :)
[07:11] <reh4c> hello, everybody
[07:11] <GotD0t> they speak english there, correct?
[07:12] <|progenic|> yup
[07:12] <tuxx> I have a problem with the Hotplug subsystem. Sometimes, like 50/50 it hangs uppon boot and I have to reset my computer. Now.. if I alter my USB ports in BIOS from 6 to 4 it boots perfecte. Sadly those last 2 ports are on the mobo internally with my internal cardreader plugged in.
[07:12] <tuxx> How would I overcome that problem?
[07:12] <|progenic|> singlish precisely
[07:12] <|progenic|> :P
[07:12] <GotD0t> just going to ask if they had their own version
[07:12] <|progenic|> combination of malay, english and chinese
[07:12] <|progenic|> hahaha
[07:12] <|progenic|> very funny
[07:12] <ThreeDayMonk> tuxx: sometimes hotplug hangs my machine dead when I plug something in
[07:12] <xenonite> they teach german in schools?
[07:13] <|progenic|> now, i was intended to go to german for my study
[07:13] <|progenic|> :)
[07:13] <ThreeDayMonk> |progenic|: ai yah, nothing wrong with singlish lah!
[07:13] <|progenic|> but ended up here
[07:13] <|progenic|> yeah nothing wrong, no offence
[07:13] <|progenic|> :)
[07:13] <reh4c> I have problems on my Gateway AMD64 notebook with the touchpad...
[07:13] <|progenic|> it's unique
[07:13] <|progenic|> :)
[07:13] <reh4c> double-tap doesn't work
[07:13] <|progenic|> must proud of it
[07:13] <ThreeDayMonk> I went to uni with many singaporeans and learned a lot of it
[07:14] <ThreeDayMonk> idioms like "I on the light"
[07:14] <|progenic|> ic
[07:14] <reh4c> Anyone else have touchpad problems?
[07:14] <ThreeDayMonk> want not want mah?
[07:14] <|progenic|> haha seems like u know a lot
[07:14] <|progenic|> :)
[07:14] <Kapputu> hi KeyserSoze
[07:14] <ThreeDayMonk> |progenic|: yeah, I just ang mo but actually can speak Ok isn't it mah?
[07:15] <xenonite> i newer knew one of signapore .)
[07:15] <|progenic|> haha u know ang mo also :)
[07:15] <ThreeDayMonk> xenonite: it's a funny language, especially to hear it
[07:15] <topyli> Kapputu: oh, there's a real question too over here! :) is this in gnome? are you using gnome-keyring or whatsitcalled
[07:15] <xenonite> ThreeDayMonk: the written is hardly understandable...
[07:16] <|progenic|> haha
[07:16] <|progenic|> but i'm not singaporean actually
[07:16] <|progenic|> :)
[07:16] <GotD0t> does anybody know of an app that would take an mp3 with only one audio channel and convert it to two channels?
[07:16] <ThreeDayMonk> xenonite: um... the spoken might be hard for you too
[07:16] <gruberman> yes.. Am I a happy camper right now :)
[07:16] <Kapputu> topyli, I don't understand which of my questions you are referring to.
[07:16] <Kapputu> I have a lot of them ;-)
[07:16] <topyli> Kapputu: the ssh one
[07:17] <reh4c> Any Synaptic touchpad problem...anyone?...Bueller???
[07:17] <xenonite> ThreeDayMonk: so switch back to german or the likewise dutch which i dont understand
[07:17] <ThreeDayMonk> xenonite: oke, maar ik kan nederlands niet goed spreken
[07:17] <daniels> reh4c: what do you mean by double-tap?
[07:17] <daniels> reh4c: do you mean tapping twice, or two-finger tapping?
[07:17] <xenonite> ThreeDayMonk: i got that! whow
[07:18] <|progenic|> Ich kannt Deutch sprechen nicht :P
[07:18] <|progenic|> Ich kann Deutch sprechen nicht :P
[07:18] <ThreeDayMonk> dass ist klar :-)
[07:18] <xenonite> na immerhin ;)
[07:18] <GotD0t> ahh
[07:18] <|progenic|> nein
[07:18] <reh4c> Actually, I can move the pointer on the touchpad, but can't use it for executing
[07:19] <GotD0t> No hablo alemn, solamente espaol.
[07:19] <xenonite> reh4c: seems like you have to configure something in the x-configuration
[07:19] <reh4c> Touchpad tapping doesn't work...I have to use the left/right buttons
[07:19] <|progenic|> my laptop's touchpad is working is working
[07:19] <Kapputu> topyli, I'm using tramp with emacs and every time I open up a file, it asks me for the password
[07:19] <reh4c> I'm a newb, so please forgive me
[07:20] <Kapputu> reh4c, I had that problem with FC 2.
[07:20] <GotD0t> you're forgiven
[07:20] <|progenic|> heh ? how come i type it double
[07:20] <|progenic|> :S
[07:20] <Kapputu> try search for :proto in google
[07:20] <xenonite> reh4c: http://www.compass.com/synaptics/
[07:20] <topyli> Kapputu: oh, i've never used that
[07:20] <daniels> reh4c: synclient -l | grep Button
[07:20] <Kapputu> you have to add a line in your grub configuration file if I remember right
[07:20] <topyli> tramp, that is
[07:20] <daniels> reh4c: please paste the output of that to me in /mgs.
[07:20] <daniels> /msg, even.
[07:20] <Phr0stByte> re4c: are you using the synaptics driver?
[07:21] <topyli> Kapputu: perhaps you should make ssh use the keys instead of passwords altogether
[07:21] <daniels> Phr0stByte: it's selected by default, yes
[07:21] <xenonite> reh4c: you might install the tool "tpconfig" (with synaptics)
[07:22] <reh4c> Sorry...have a 19 month old wanting my attention
[07:22] <xenonite> hehe :)
[07:22] <Kapputu> topyli, any idea how to od that ?
[07:23] <topyli> Kapputu: dunno, i always use passwords because i connect to my home box from all over the world. keys are more useful if you regularly connect between the same machines
[07:24] <topyli> Kapputu: it's well documented though
[07:24] <Kapputu> yeah but I don't want to type my password each time I open a file though
[07:25] <Kapputu> I mean when I use different machines
[07:25] <reh4c> Ok...I'm back...for now ;)
[07:25] <Kapputu> I use editplus at work which is like the same thing, but it works cool
[07:25] <reh4c> If things are not automatically setup, then i'm hurting
[07:25] <topyli> Kapputu: it depends. if you always connect from the same box or a few boxen, use keys. otherwise, passwords
[07:26] <reh4c> Is there a gnome module for setting up networking...wireless, etc?
[07:26] <cenerentola> ciao a tutti
[07:26] <cenerentola> a hoary-powered
[07:27] <topyli> cenerentola: yeah, what a disappointment. it's not broken at all ;)
[07:27] <Kapputu> hoary test-build is good ?
[07:28] <topyli> Kapputu: right now it is. might break tomorrow though :)
[07:28] <cenerentola> topyli: ask pizbit
[07:28] <cenerentola> topyli: think positive
[07:28] <reh4c> daniels:  I need to reinstall Ubuntu, because my original notebook had problems (hardware related)
[07:28] <topyli> cenerentola: he got a more interesting system?
[07:28] <cenerentola> well its not a everyday distro
[07:29] <cenerentola> topyli: no he weares the belt here
[07:29] <reh4c> WindowsXP SP2 froze the system setup!
[07:29] <Kapputu> anything different ?
[07:29] <Kapputu> reh4c, I got infected by a blaster yesterday
[07:29] <Kapputu> going to use Windows as less as possible
[07:29] <Kapputu> probably not at all
[07:30] <topyli> cenerentola: i'm not too afraid of hoary though. if it breaks too badly, i can switch to debian unstable. we never used to have such options before :)
[07:30] <reh4c> Yea, Kapputu, I'm trying all OSs to find something more secure and
[07:30] <reh4c> easy to use.
[07:30] <Kapputu> ubuntu is real good if you put in some effort
[07:30] <Kapputu>  I had FC 2 and Mandrake before but never really used them much
[07:30] <maxxis> pleace help mi i don't installl unrar
[07:31] <Kapputu> after I installed Ubuntu on my laptop, yesterday was the first time I went to ubuntu
[07:31] <Greensky> is there any way to get kde apps to use the applet doc area instead of creating new windows for those docs?
[07:31] <Kapputu> after I installed Ubuntu on my laptop, yesterday was the first time I went to Windows
[07:31] <Kapputu> and got infected with a blaster
[07:31] <Kapputu> and I'm not going there anymore
[07:31] <topyli> maxxis: when you search for unrar in synaptic or with apt-cache, you don't see it?
[07:31] <benja> i get this error while compiling a software: "No package 'libgnomeui-2.0' found", any way arround ?
[07:32] <Greensky> bejna, do you have the -devel package installed?
[07:32] <reh4c> Is there an Ubuntu forum?  This is quite confusing to ask questions here :)
[07:32] <Kapputu> www.ubuntuforums.org
[07:32] <reh4c> Thanks, Kapputu!
[07:33] <Kapputu> no probs reh4c
[07:33] <Kapputu> ask a lot of questions
[07:33] <Kapputu> that's how I have been learning too
[07:33] <srocc> hi
[07:33] <Kapputu> hi srocc
[07:33] <benja> Greensky, im installing libgnomeui-dev now, hope its that
[07:33] <srocc> got a problem
[07:33] <Kapputu> ask
[07:33] <reh4c> Well, take care...I'm off to the forums!
[07:33] <Kapputu>  I have been told not to ask about asking
[07:33] <srocc> i have just installed ubuntu and have no clue
[07:34] <srocc> now i wannt to make my asoundcard work
[07:34] <Kapputu> hmm ok let me try
[07:34] <Kapputu> type lspci -v
[07:34] <Kapputu> and tell me if you see a multimedia audio controller
[07:34] <srocc> yes
[07:35] <Kapputu> what does it say next to it
[07:35] <srocc>  Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (
[07:35] <Kapputu> ok gimme a sec
[07:35] <benja> Greensky, solved my problem. Thanks
[07:36] <Kapputu> ok click on Applications -> Multimedia ->  Volume Control
[07:36] <Greensky> benja, np
[07:36] <srocc> it says no devices of such kind were found
[07:37] <srocc> i dont know the exact message cause its german version and i cant translate it acccurately
[07:37] <Greensky> is there any way to get kde apps to use the applet doc area instead of creating new windows for those docs?
[07:37] <Kapputu> is it an on-board sound card ?
[07:37] <srocc> yes
[07:37] <srocc> on a a asrock main board  k7vm2
[07:38] <GotD0t> anybody know a way to keep clipboard information even after the app which you got it from was closed?
[07:38] <Greensky> GotD0t, there is some gnome daemon that does it, but I forget what it's called
[07:38] <Kapputu> do you get something like this
[07:38] <Kapputu> 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[07:39] <_jackthetripper> quit
[07:39] <GotD0t> thanks greensky
[07:39] <topyli> srocc: the ac97 chip is quite common, but is known to a bit tricky. you'll find a lot of references to these problems through google, i bet
[07:39] <topyli> *to be a bit tricky
[07:39] <srocc> kapputu, yes
[07:40] <srocc> thx topyli but since its my first day of using a form of linux
[07:40] <Kapputu> do you know how to use an editor srocc ??
[07:40] <srocc> sure
[07:40] <topyli> srocc: don't panic :)
[07:41] <Kapputu> ok sudo editor /etc/modules
[07:41] <Kapputu> and add these two lines
[07:41] <Kapputu> ac97
[07:41] <Kapputu> via82cxxx_audio
[07:42] <xenonite> lol you want to teach him VIM ?
[07:42] <xenonite> try it with gedit
[07:42] <xenonite> sudo gedit /etc/modules
[07:42] <gruberman> argh.. Getting tired of windows-only services :/
[07:43] <topyli> srocc: try to load those modules first, to see if they work. 'sudo modprobe ac97', then the other one. if they work, then add them to /etc/modules
[07:43] <Kapputu> nope xenonite, editor == the editor that he is used to
[07:43] <riffic> how do I get my intellimouse sidebuttons working
[07:43] <riffic> .Xmodmap wouldn't load
[07:43] <riffic> is there a specific ubuntu method to make it work?
[07:44] <xenonite> Kapputu: it is his first day... he isnt used to anything
[07:44] <Treenaks> riffic: you should use xbk
[07:44] <Kapputu> he said he knew how to use an editor
[07:44] <Treenaks> xkb
[07:44] <riffic> how?
[07:44] <Treenaks> riffic: because xkb and xmodmap don't mix well
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[07:44] <Kapputu> i was going to suggest gedit though
[07:44] <topyli> srocc: linuxcompatible.org says it works with linux, both OSS and ALSA drivers, so you'll get it working
[07:44] <srocc> yo i added the lines
[07:44] <srocc> using vim
[07:45] <srocc> do i have to reboot
[07:45] <xenonite> cool
[07:45] <Kapputu> nope this is linux
[07:45] <srocc> i loaded it allready with modporbe but it still doesnt work
[07:45] <Kapputu> xenonite I think you can do a better job
[07:45] <topyli> srocc: no error messages from modprobe?
[07:46] <srocc> no
[07:46] <srocc> they are listed in lsmod
[07:46] <srocc> i have to leave for a few minutes
[07:46] <srocc> thanx allready
[07:46] <topyli> srocc: then the modules loaded ok. can you see your card in the mixer now?
[07:46] <srocc> ill be talking to you guys later
[07:47] <srocc> the mixer dpesnt even start
[07:47] <jay> will ubuntu work on the newer powerbooks
[07:47] <jay> 1ghz 17in with NVIDIA card
[07:47] <topyli> srocc: look at this: http://snipurl.com/a6ez
[07:47] <Greensky> jay, ubuntu works on my powerbook, I have an R40, on it right now
[07:47] <Kapputu> srocc, is it via8233 ?
[07:48] <Greensky> it has the ati mobile cart, but my gf's pc with a nvidia geforce 2 works well w/the binary driver too
[07:48] <jay> i tried installing it once and i just got to a black screen after everything was installed
[07:48] <Kapputu> try sudo modprobe snd-via8233
[07:48] <Kapputu> or sudo modprobe snd-via8235
[07:49] <riffic> Treenaks: care to help me get these sidebuttons working?
[07:49] <stvn> heh
[07:49] <Greensky> jay, weird... did you try switching to a console? control+alt+f1
[07:49] <youpi> except pakcages what is the difference between debian and ubuntu on use?
[07:49] <topyli> Kapputu: i think you're right, we've been talking about oss drivers all along :)
[07:49] <Treenaks> riffic: sidebuttons?
[07:50] <Treenaks> riffic: oh those
[07:50] <Treenaks> riffic: what kind of keyboard do you have?
[07:50] <Greensky> youpi, ubuntu has a more updated packages than debian stable
[07:50] <riffic> intellimouse
[07:50] <riffic> not keyboard question
[07:50] <Treenaks> riffic: that's a mouse, not a keyboard
[07:50] <riffic> mouse
[07:50] <Greensky> youpi, ubuntu tries to have more current, but still stable stuff, and ubuntu doesnt support kde as well as plain debian does
[07:50] <riffic> my keyboard is one of those office keyboards
[07:50] <Treenaks> riffic: what do you want them to do?
[07:50] <Kapputu> srocc, you there ?
[07:51] <riffic> back/forward in firefox
[07:51] <Greensky> that's about the extent of my knowledge of the differences :P
[07:51] <riffic> same behavior as in windows
[07:51] <Kapputu> topyli, do you use xchat ?
[07:51] <Greensky> and ubuntu doesnt have galeon :(
[07:51] <youpi> ok thank u Greensky
[07:51] <topyli> Greensky: actually, doesn't ubuntu "support" kde just the same way as debian does? :)
[07:51] <riffic> galeon is deprecated
[07:51] <youpi> galeon is old
[07:51] <topyli> Kapputu: no, i'm experimenting with gaim these days
[07:52] <topyli> Kapputu: i used to use xchat
[07:52] <Treenaks> riffic: what's in your InputDevice section of your X config?
[07:52] <Treenaks> riffic: (use pastebin)
[07:52] <Greensky> topyli, well ubuntu has kde in the "universe" packages, which means less tested, but debian is more kde friendly, I suppose "support" is a subjective word in this instance
[07:53] <credmp> hey all
[07:53] <riffic> Section "InputDevice"
[07:53] <riffic>         Identifier      "Configured Mouse"
[07:53] <riffic>         Driver          "mouse"
[07:53] <riffic>         Option          "CorePointer"
[07:53] <riffic>         Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice"
[07:53] <riffic>         Option          "Protocol"              "ImPS/2"
[07:53] <riffic>         Option          "Emulate3Buttons"       "true"
[07:53] <riffic>         Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
[07:53] <topyli> Greensky: true, but i think the universe is just pulled from debian and that's that. so it's more or less the same. not that i actually know anything :)
[07:53] <riffic> EndSection
[07:53] <credmp> any way to not have soo many modules loaded at boot time?
[07:53] <cenerentola> riffic: use pastebin.com
[07:53] <Treenaks> riffic: that's not pastebin.com
[07:53] <GotD0t> riffic please dont paste in here
[07:53] <cenerentola> if you dont want to
[07:53] <riffic> oh
[07:54] <riffic> i dont know what pastebin is
[07:54] <riffic> sorry
[07:54] <gruberman> Ok, me too. Use pastebin :)
[07:54] <GotD0t> pastebin.com
[07:54] <Treenaks> riffic: it's in the topic :)
[07:54] <topyli> pastebin.com rules
[07:54] <Qerub> Is it possible to stop the module usbhid from claiming a certain device?
[07:54] <riffic> didn't read the topic
[07:54] <riffic> oops
[07:54] <topyli> riffic: or you can use #flood
[07:55] <Treenaks> riffic: anyway, could you try changing "ImPS/2" to "ExplorerPS/2", add a line 'Option "Buttons" "7"', and change the ZAxisMapping to "6 7" instead of "4 5" ?
[07:55] <riffic> that wont fix the sidebutton issue
[07:55] <Greensky> topyli, look here and search for supported:  There are three major repositories of software for Ubuntu: "main", "restricted", and "universe". The main repository contains the packages officially supported and maintained by the Ubuntu developers, and contain most of what you'd need for a Gnome desktop environment, such as Abiword, Epiphany, and Inkscape
[07:55] <Greensky> woops.. dammit
[07:55] <riffic> anyways the scroll works
[07:55] <Greensky> sorry, mean to paste url
[07:55] <riffic> i know its just soem sort of imwheel issue
[07:55] <Treenaks> riffic: yes, it will.
[07:55] <Greensky> http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/9/28/211242/712
[07:55] <topyli> hehe
[07:55] <riffic> i did this before with gentoo I just forgot what I did
[07:56] <gaimutu> hi topyli, gaim is cool too
[07:56] <Greensky> riffic, often times you can find stuff you need on the gentoo forums
[07:56] <brad> is there something ala "ee" on FreeBSD for ubuntu?  vi and emacs are kinda difficult
[07:56] <Treenaks> riffic: xkb + xmodmap is deprecated and can become unstable fast
[07:56] <Chriffer> nano or ne are both easy
[07:56] <Greensky> brad nono is pretty easy
[07:56] <Treenaks> riffic: you probably did http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21303&perpage=15&pagenumber=9
[07:56] <Striss> what are some neat network games that i can apt with Ubuntu? anybody have any suggestions?
[07:56] <topyli> Greensky: i know that. now define debian's kde "support" :)
[07:56] <brad> Greensky: thanks
[07:57] <Kapputu> Greensky, what's the difference b/w pico and nano
[07:57] <Greensky> topyli, by "support" that means developers actively try to make sure it works
[07:57] <Kapputu> don't tell ' about a power of 10'
[07:57] <Greensky> Kapputu, I dono, I think it's just licensing differences
[07:57] <Chriffer> pico is associated with the pine mail program, nano I think is a freeer clone
[07:57] <topyli> Greensky: yes. and ubuntu universe takes debian packages, so...
[07:57] <Greensky> but I dono, I sorta thing that pine/pico have a more restrictive license
[07:57] <Kapputu> ic
[07:57] <topyli> Greensky: bug fixes may be slower of course
[07:58] <riffic> pico is hoarderware
[07:58] <Greensky> topyli, yeah, not much difference, but a lot if you have a universe package that doesn't work for some reason
[07:58] <gaimutu> what's hoarderware
[07:58] <topyli> Greensky: yeah, you'll have to go to debian repositories then, and pray a lot
[07:59] <Greensky> is there any way to get a "sticky" button on gnome 2.8 windows that when you click on it it toggles the sticky state of the window?
[08:00] <topyli> Greensky: no. you'll have to select it from the window menu
[08:00] <Greensky> topyli, doh... that stinks... :P
[08:01] <altan> is there a way I can add a command to Computer > Desktop Preferences > Keyboard Shortcuts?
[08:01] <topyli> Greensky: well, that's how gnome works these days. "you don't need that option" ;)
[08:01] <Greensky> topyli, yeah, I can't wait for xfce 4.2
[08:01] <altan> like a command to start rhythmbox on ctrl+alt+m?
[08:02] <topyli> altan: that means gconf-editor hacking
[08:02] <topyli> altan: go to apps - metacity - something-in-there
[08:03] <altan> hmm, let's see
[08:03] <CaseysZ28> is there a package for aterm ?
[08:03] <Greensky> oh well, adios all... going to dl some stuff
[08:03] <Kapputu> sudo apt-get install aterm
[08:04] <topyli> altan: global_keybindings. set command_1 there. then edit keybinding_commands
[08:04] <CaseysZ28> it tells me it can't find the package
[08:04] <CaseysZ28> which i find weird
[08:04] <CaseysZ28> how do i update the package info?
[08:04] <Kapputu> you need to add multiverse in your sources.list
[08:04] <Kapputu> add multiverse beside restricted in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:05] <Kapputu> and then sudo apt-get update
[08:05] <Kapputu> sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:05] <Kapputu> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:06] <altan> okay, done topyli
[08:06] <altan> thanks
[08:06] <topyli> altan: it works?
[08:06] <altan> I wish I could do something like <Super_L>m though, shame you can't use winkey in combination with another like ctrl or alt
[08:06] <altan> yeah
[08:07] <topyli> altan: you can't? that's not good :(
[08:07] <altan> nope, I tried :/
[08:08] <topyli> we have windows keys and don't do very much with them :(
[08:08] <altan> I liked the Winkey + * shortcuts in Windows a lot, speeded up a lot of things
[08:08] <topyli> altan: i have bound them to window maximizing and such commands
[08:08] <altan> hmm
[08:10] <gruberman> How can I print the users in the channel in Irssi?
[08:10] <CaseysZ28> it still doesn't find aterm
[08:11] <CaseysZ28> gruberman: /names
[08:11] <gruberman> CaseysZ28: thx
[08:12] <CaseysZ28> no problem
[08:12] <gruberman> CaseysZ28: I missed that one in the help ;)
[08:14] <jackthetripper>  /help who
[08:18] <ayuer> you guys know how to use socks5 proxy in irssi;-)
[08:18] <ayuer> i check the doc and wiki, not a clue
[08:19] <CaseysZ28> Kapputu: where can i see what packages that can be installed with apt-get?
[08:20] <credmp> CaseysZ28, either apt-cache or synaptic
[08:20] <ayuer> another, did the source.list the same as in debian
[08:20] <CaseysZ28> i am new to debian/ubuntu
[08:21] <Kapputu> sudo apt-cache search package-name
[08:21] <brettcar> Kapputu: No need for sudo to use apt-cache search
[08:21] <Kapputu> or synaptic if you don't prefer the command-line
[08:22] <CaseysZ28> command line is fine with me
[08:22] <Kapputu> brettcar, yes but have gotten so used to using it for almost everything ..
[08:22] <CaseysZ28> but it still doesn't find aterm :(
[08:22] <brettcar> Kapputu: Bad habit ;)
[08:22] <Kapputu> i know
[08:22] <altan> CaseysZ28, did you enable the universe repositories?
[08:23] <Kapputu> CaseysZ28, did you add multiverse to your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[08:23] <CaseysZ28> i added multiverse
[08:23] <CaseysZ28> then sudo apt-get update
[08:23] <Kapputu> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted multiverse
[08:23] <Kapputu> sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:23] <Treenaks> Kapputu: don't forget universe
[08:24] <topyli> CaseysZ28: and universe? my apt-cache shows aterm
[08:24] <Kapputu> yeah it's below that
[08:24] <amathis> what do I install to get aclocal?
[08:24] <Kapputu> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[08:24] <Kapputu> CaseysZ28, you have to uncomment the above line
[08:24] <CaseysZ28> k
[08:24] <CaseysZ28> it is updating again
[08:24] <Kapputu> good
[08:25] <CaseysZ28> is it a bad thing not to have sudo?
[08:25] <CaseysZ28> and just use su
[08:26] <CaseysZ28> and then apt-get ...... ?
[08:26] <bwlang> CaseysZ28: it's fine to use su... but i think using sudo is better (though i have to admit that i use su most of the time)
[08:27] <CaseysZ28> i am used to solaris
[08:27] <CaseysZ28> k i now have aterm
[08:28] <Kapputu> http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/10/30/1322227 -- What your choice of Linux distribution says about you
[08:28] <Kapputu> What about ubuntu ?
[08:31] <Kapputu> hi Manny
[08:31] <Manny> Kapputu: hi
[08:31] <Manny> Kapputu: do I know you? :)
[08:32] <Kapputu> hmm nope not yet
[08:33] <Kapputu> after facing my questions, you would certainly wont want to
[08:35] <ayuer> Kapputu: the article sucks
[08:36] <Kapputu> it's meant to be funny :-P
[08:37] <ayuer> the comments are:)
[08:37] <amathis> I am trying to compile a SDL app.
[08:38] <benja> how do i add bluez-libs to ubuntu ?
[08:38] <ztonzy> libsdl  ?
[08:38] <Kapputu> read /.
[08:38] <Kapputu> everyone is mad that Slackware has not been included
[08:39] <ayuer> me? everyday
[08:41] <jdz`> Hello!  I just convernted my Sarge laptop to Ubuntu -- I've got to say, I absoutly love this -- thanks for all the hard work!
[08:46] <Hikaru79> Is there any setting in Nautilus that I can make so that when I go to a new directory in the file manager, it'll open it in the same window rather than opening a new one each time?
[08:46] <ztonzy> jdz`, yeah...I agree...I used to run fedora c2, then sarge...loads of issues...now ubuntu...kinda of sweet
[08:47] <Kirsch_> hey guys, i have a laptop and whenever i close it, the screen does turn off but sometimes it doesn't come back, i have to hit CTRL or ALT F2-10 or something like that to get it back, any ideas?
[08:48] <mjr> Hikaru79, yes, "always open in browser window" or something like that
[08:48] <jdz`> Kirsch_: I have the same issue, never solved it
[08:48] <Kirsch_> eh
[08:48] <Hikaru79> mjr, where?
[08:48] <plovs> mount nfs permission denied
[08:49] <amathis> E: Couldn't find package libsdl
[08:49] <Kapputu> that's one thing I would like to see solve
[08:49] <plovs> what to do?
[08:49] <mjr> Hikaru79, in the file management preferences
[08:49] <mjr> where do you think? :
[08:49] <unperson> Ok, so I love Ubuntu!
[08:50] <Kapputu> I have 3
[08:50] <Kirsch_> jdz: do u use APM or ACPI
[08:50] <amathis> how can I search using SDL?
[08:50] <unperson> I installed it on my laptop a few days ago.  I was liking it pretty well.  I took it out and about for the first time today.
[08:50] <amathis> err
[08:50] <amathis> how can I search using apt-get?
[08:50] <benja> how do i add bluez-libs to ubuntu ?
[08:50] <kent> amathis, use synaptic.
[08:50] <Captain_Kapputu> apt-cache search package
[08:50] <Kirsch_> benja: use synaptic
[08:51] <Hikaru79> mjr, got it :) Thanks
[08:51] <unperson> a) wireless works like a dream with no config and b) my touchpad works great including tap to click functionality etc which I could never get working.  It all just works!
[08:51] <benja> Kirsch_, is not on synaptic :(
[08:51] <Hikaru79> The reason I wasn't finding it was because the wording of the option was vague
[08:51] <mxpxpod> does anyone else with an ibook have a problem where shutdown doesn't get past "Unmounting local filesystems" when on battery?
[08:51] <Captain_Kapputu> hi tux
[08:51] <Kirsch_> benja: then ur gonna want to compiile from source
[08:51] <unperson> benja, You can search for package using apt-cahce search.
[08:51] <tux_> lo Captain_Kapputu
[08:51] <Hikaru79> It says "Always open in browser windows" which sounds a lot like what I DON'T want to me :P But it works now, so thank you ^ ^
[08:51] <Captain_Kapputu> you same as tuxx ?
[08:51] <unperson> benja, That will search whatever repositories you have selected.
[08:51] <tux_> nope
[08:51] <Captain_Kapputu> k
[08:51] <CaseysZ28> is there a way to switch away from gnome?
[08:52] <plovs> anybody got nfs to successfully mount?
[08:52] <tck> CaseysZ28, install kde
[08:52] <benja> unperson, is there a repository for bluez-libs
[08:52] <benja> ?
[08:52] <Captain_Kapputu> what's wrong with Gnome ?
[08:52] <CaseysZ28> i want fluxbox
[08:52] <CaseysZ28> i prefer fluxbox
[08:52] <unperson> benja, Doh!  Sorry, I got confused.  I was actually answering amathis.
[08:52] <tck> apt-get install fluxbox
[08:53] <benja> unperson, ok
[08:53] <CaseysZ28> nothing really wrong with gnome i just have a hard time getting it set up the way i want it and i am used to fluxbox
[08:53] <tiago> tck, which is the url to use apt?
[08:53] <Captain_Kapputu> ic
[08:54] <tck> tiago, which to uncomment in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[08:54] <tiago> tck, yeah :)
[08:54] <unperson> I do have a gnome related question.  How do I set it so when I open a folder in the file browser it opens in the same window, not a different window (which seems to the default)?
[08:54] <Captain_Kapputu> tck  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[08:54] <Captain_Kapputu> also the next line
[08:54] <tck> thereu go tiago
[08:55] <tck> i uncomment the universe too for more packages
[08:55] <lanemt> does anyone know how to disable the system bell when using a tty terminal? i've added 'set bell-style none' to /etc/inputrc but this doesn't seem to change anything.
[08:55] <tiago> thank you
[08:55] <Captain_Kapputu> open nautilus
[08:56] <Captain_Kapputu> hmm no wait
[08:56] <tck> tiago, make sure u do, apt-get update after
[08:56] <tck> so apt knows to get from the new sources
[08:56] <CaseysZ28> E: Package fluxbox has no installation candidate
[08:56] <tck> CaseysZ28, what mirror are u using
[08:57] <tck> its in the universe one afaik, apt had it for me
[08:57] <CaseysZ28> i have them all uncommented
[08:57] <tiago> tck, ok, thank you I'll do
[08:58] <CaseysZ28> are there others out there to add into sources.list?
[08:58] <mjr> yes, fluxbox is in universe
[08:59] <Cygnia> About fluxbox...
[08:59] <Cygnia> How do you get GDM to show it at login?
[09:00] <tck> well go to desktop settings
[09:00] <tck> theres a login screen options there
[09:00] <tck> im not on ubuntu at the mo, :/
[09:00] <Cygnia> Thanks tck, I'll try that.
[09:01] <mxpxpod> tiago: you're tiago that's gonna work on libburn, right?
[09:02] <gruberman> omg... they really know how to kill you with radio commercials in the states
[09:02] <CaseysZ28> how do i change the terminal gnome wants to use?
[09:02] <CaseysZ28> it won't set the stuff i pass to it
[09:02] <CaseysZ28> :(
[09:02] <mjr> gnome-default-applications-properties
[09:03] <mbb> c
[09:03] <Cygnia> tck:there's no option under any of the tabs for listing or choosing window managers.
[09:03] <tck> Cygnia, log out of x
[09:04] <tiago> mxpxpod, no... I work with kiko at async
[09:04] <mxpxpod> tiago: hmm, ok
[09:04] <tck> theres a session option to choose a manager, fluxbox should be in the list
[09:04] <CaseysZ28> the aterm works but it isn't passing it the flags :(
[09:04] <tiago> mxpxpod, but I'm a bugzilla devoloper :)
[09:04] <CaseysZ28> the command is aterm -tr -tint blue -fg green
[09:04] <Kirsch_> jdz`: still having issues with that lidswitch?
[09:04] <mxpxpod> tiago: :)
[09:04] <Kirsch_> jdz`: i found a way to just disable it
[09:05] <Cygnia> tck:I've logged in and out several times since installing fluxbox with Synaptic...
[09:05] <mbb> Cygnia: you might look a the wiki, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LowEndSystemSupport tells about using xfce4 instead of gnome, probably good advice there for your fluxbox wish too.
[09:05] <Cygnia> It's not there in the list.
[09:05] <Cygnia> Thanks mbb I'll also try that.
[09:05] <tck> cygnia, change your init level to non-x start
[09:06] <tck> then run fluxbox to see if it starts up properly
[09:06] <Cygnia> OK, thanks for the pointers tck and mbb.
[09:07] <effoo> I want to install ubuntu on my desktop i386 box, but I'm not sure which image I should download - what's the diff between main, multiverse, and universe?
[09:07] <mjr> make an ~/.xsession script that execs fluxbox and be done with it
[09:07] <CaseysZ28> Cygnia: if you change to runlevel 3 and add a .xinitrc in your home directory witht he contents fluxbox and type startx fluxbox should start
[09:08] <tiago> mxpxpod, I'm liking to much of Ubuntu, I'm still a user of slackware :) and I want to change this, heh
[09:08] <xTina_> Hm. The PPC ISO still can't be burned on Mac OS X :-(
[09:08] <Cygnia> OK, I'm off to try it...be back later.
[09:08] <tck> good luck
[09:09] <mjr> bad on mac os x, that
[09:09] <dorris> is this the spot for ubuntu advice??
[09:09] <mxpxpod> tiago: hehe
[09:09] <mjr> dorris, pretty much
[09:10] <mxpxpod> does anyone here run ubuntu on an ibook g4?
[09:10] <kent> effoo, there are no images for universe, etc. There should only be one Ubuntu image for your platform (i386).
[09:10] <Kirsch_> How do u activate xscreensaver from prompt?
[09:10] <dorris> here goes, upon intallation, it just hung up, after disabling hyperthreading, i tried again, bombed a 2nd time, then i went for the custom setup, and discovered it hangs upon input locale
[09:11] <dorris> unplugged usb keyboard, and oput in a ps2
[09:11] <dorris> and all was good
[09:12] <mxpxpod> Kirsch_: what do you mean?
[09:13] <dorris> anyways, i plugged it in later, once it booted up, i plugged back the usb keyboard, and it picked up, and worked, but still crashes every boot
[09:13] <dorris> any ideas on how to get past the boot safely, without \unplugging the usb keyb
[09:13] <aLi> what i need to listen mp3
[09:13] <aLi> ?
[09:14] <topyli> Kirsch_: xscreensaver-command --activate
[09:14] <ogra> aLi:: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:14] <gruberman> aLi: theres a faq on the ubunti site
[09:14] <aLi> i am there
[09:14] <aLi> :)
[09:14] <gruberman> ubuntu even. god, its har to spell that right
[09:14] <tuxx> Evening ppl.
[09:14] <gruberman> evening
[09:14] <tuxx> Any of u with experience in artwiz and Gnome?
[09:15] <aLi> what happens if i remove ubuntu-desktop? many packages conflicts with it?
[09:15] <xTina> The PPC ISO image burning problem is not in bugzilla, even though it has been there since the preview. What's the correct package for reporting it?
[09:15] <cenerentola> ciao
[09:16] <tuxx> I've installed the fonts according to the guide and they work with Fluxbox. However under Gnome 2.8 my Gkrellm2 look like this : http://tuxx.dk/filer/Screenshot.png
[09:16] <aLi> what happens if i remove ubuntu-desktop? many packages conflicts with it?
[09:16] <tuxx> aLi was that for me?
[09:16] <kent> aLi, I dont think much happens. Its not a "real" package, its some sort of meta-package. I belive you can delete it without problem.
[09:16] <tuxx> nah :-)
[09:16] <aLi> kent thanks.
[09:17] <cenerentola> ppl during installation it asked me to enter the hd where it had to install grub [on the mbr] ..
[09:17] <Kirsch_> what's "chvt 12" mean?
[09:18] <dorris> so, i guess nobody knows how to sort out that usb keyboard???
[09:18] <cenerentola> well it never did a question like this... and moreover when i rebooted grub hadnt the entry corresponding to the stable warty ive got on hda7
[09:18] <Kirsch_> dorris: whats ur prob?
[09:18] <gruberman> tuxx: It has to do with you wallpaper. The fonts get sick :)
[09:18] <aLi> altan, hey how r u:)
[09:18] <ogra> tuxx: move your mose over gkrellm and press f1
 here goes, upon intallation, it just hung up, after disabling hyperthreading, i tried again, bombed a 2nd time, then i went for the custom setup, and discovered it hangs upon input locale
[09:19] <dorris> and all was good, anyways, i plugged it in later, once it booted up, i plugged back the usb keyboard, and it picked up, and worked, but still crashes every boot
[09:19] <ogra> tuxx: or right klick on it.... its in the options
 any ideas on how to get past the boot safely, without \unplugging the usb keyb
[09:19] <Captain_Kapputu> hi ogra, tux
[09:19] <dtradd> Hi!
[09:19] <ogra> hi
[09:19] <dtradd> I need some help with Ubuntu please.
[09:20] <ogra> dtradd: go on
[09:20] <dtradd> I just finished the installation, but X just doesn't start
[09:20] <dorris> basically, the usb keyboard works if i plug it in after bootsequence, but if its plugged in during bootsequence, everything hangs
[09:20] <dtradd> I checked the log, but I found no errors
[09:20] <cenerentola> ogra: can you help me?
[09:20] <ogra> dtradd: what kind of videocard ?
[09:20] <benja> mplayer-custom does not work
[09:20] <benja> any ideas ?
[09:21] <dtradd> I think that's the problem, it's an ATI Radeon
[09:21] <dtradd> but the system is a laptop
[09:21] <dtradd> I think that perhaps Ubuntu is trying a video mode that is not supported
[09:21] <ogra> dtradd: to get x running try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:22] <ogra> dtradd: give it you userpw
[09:22] <dtradd> ogra: Ok, I'll try it ogra
[09:22] <swifty> I have some problems using my wlan nic (dlink dwl-520+). Ubuntu has the acx100 module and the firmware i need. It can't receve ip from dhcp, I also tried to set up ip manually but it did't work either. dhcp works fine in windows. Do someine have some advices?
[09:22] <Kirsch_> dorris: do u have PNP on in your BIOS?
[09:23] <Kirsch_> dorris: Plug N Play OS
[09:23] <dtradd> ogra: Thank you
[09:23] <dorris> kirsch: probably, is that a problem
[09:23] <jaboo> anyone here use an epson stylus photo printer via usb? specifically a stylus photo 900.
[09:23] <ogra> dtradd: if your x is working try: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:23] <dtradd> ogra: Another question, which IRC client can I use in my text mode in Ubuntu
[09:23] <Kirsch_> dorris: yes
[09:24] <jaboo> dorris, you use stylus photo 900?
[09:24] <mjr> dtradd, irssi-text
[09:24] <dtradd> ogra: I'll check it ogra.
[09:24] <dorris> kirsch: mmm, thanks, i'll try reboot once my apt-get finishes, will let you know the outcome
[09:24] <ogra> dtradd: sudo apt-get install irssi-text
[09:25] <dorris> kirsch: is this a debian thing or ububtu, its been working fine in mandrake?
[09:25] <gruberman> dtradd: get lynx while you're at it :)
[09:25] <dtradd> gruberman: I was using elinks, thanks!
[09:26] <dtradd> gruberman: It was nice to see the web back in text!
[09:26] <gruberman> dtradd: hail textmode :)
[09:26] <dtradd> ogra: Ok, I'll try your suggestions. Thank you very much.
[09:26] <dtradd> gruberman: Amen!
[09:26] <ogra> dtradd: ;)
[09:26] <dorris> jaboo: no other usb devices connected besides mouse, and no stylus
[09:27] <gruberman> dtradd: I remember th etime when windows was refreshing. now we're back to basics again in 2004
[09:27] <dtradd> Ladies and gentlemen: thanks for your help, I'll be back as soon as I get my Ubuntu system working.
[09:27] <jaboo> dorris: i only have usb mouse and epson printer connected to usb.
[09:28] <dtradd> gruberman: That's right, the old text mode
[09:28] <jaboo> dorris: i installed the cupsys-driver-gimpprint package.
[09:29] <jaboo> dorris: this gave me the stylus photo 900 as an option.
[09:29] <jaboo> dorris: i can print a test page, but the quality is very poor and it starts about 1 in. too far down.
[09:29] <xTina> So how do I report a problem in Ubuntu's bugzilla if it's not related to any package?
[09:30] <jaboo> dorris: i'm trying to get some advice on how to tweak it to get decent printouts.
[09:31] <xTina> Ah, guessing helped ;)
[09:31] <xTina> There's UNKNOWN :)
[09:31] <dorris> jaboo: you asking the wrong person, i'm here asking for help on a usb keyboard, not much of a guru .... YET!
[09:31] <gruberman> dorris: you will be the all-time keyboard guru!
[09:31] <jaboo> dorris: it's ok. we are all always learning.
[09:32] <dorris> hehe
[09:32] <jaboo> the thing is, i had good printing on this epson stylus photo 900 on gentoo.
[09:32] <jaboo> of course, you could use the CUPS web inteface there.
[09:38] <gruberman> dorris: the only reason I'm not asking anything right now is because I don't have the guts to change anything in the system ;)
[09:40] <goms> test :)
[09:41] <goms> anybody?!
[09:42] <LinuxJones> goms, test recieved
[09:42] <goms> ahah
[09:42] <__randy__> Does anyone know how to get pkgconfig files included into deb's that they are building themselves?
[09:42] <CaseysZ28> how do i get UT2k4 to install if /bin/sh is giving me permission denied
[09:42] <CaseysZ28> ?
[09:42] <goms> like i know :)
[09:43] <bronson> CaseysZ28: what is the error message?
[09:43] <bronson> I haven't tried installing UT though.
[09:43] <CaseysZ28> /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission Denied
[09:44] <goms> can I make my ntfs folders appear?
[09:44] <LinuxJones> CaseysZ28, what are the permissions on the file ?
[09:44] <CaseysZ28> i am trying to install it from the dvd
[09:44] <ogra> ehy LinuxJones ;)
[09:44] <CaseysZ28> and i am trying to do it as root
[09:45] <LinuxJones> hiya ogra (bot) :)
[09:45] <ogra> *G*
[09:45] <LinuxJones> CaseysZ28, sudo -s into the root shell
[09:45] <Hikaru79> Where is Mozilla Firefox stored in Ubuntu?
[09:45] <CaseysZ28> same error
[09:46] <ogra> Hia: which part ?
[09:46] <ogra> Hika
[09:46] <bash> i cant use enlightenment on ubuntu?
[09:46] <bash> some repositoried.. ?
[09:46] <vrln> bash: tried universe?
[09:46] <goms> someone know how to mount the ntfs?
[09:46] <ogra> bash: does the package not work ?
[09:46] <NermUbuntu> lo lo.... whats the easiest way to get suspend to disk working in ubuntu ? I've tried adding pmdisk=/dev/hda4 as a boot param, but when I do echo 4 >/proc/acpi/sleep nothing happens
[09:47] <bash> yea
[09:47] <bash> vrln,
[09:47] <sinzui> Is anyone one on ubuntu team looking at fixing the print margins in gthumb?
[09:47] <Hikaru79> ogra, I'm trying to find the correct place to put the Java plugin link
[09:47] <bash> idea ?
[09:48] <Hikaru79> I've put it in ~/.mozilla/plugins
[09:48] <bash> use the tarball ?
[09:48] <Hikaru79> But it's not working
[09:48] <ogra> loHika: look in .mozilla
[09:48] <__randy__> sinzui, Check to see if there's a bug filed
[09:48] <Hikaru79> I did
[09:48] <Hikaru79> hikaru79@ubuntu:~/.mozilla/plugins $ dir
[09:48] <Hikaru79> libjavaplugin_oji.so
[09:48] <Hikaru79> And yet, it doesn't work
[09:48] <NermUbuntu> what package would I install to get the kernel sources to the ubuntu 2.6.8.1 kernel ?
[09:48] <Hikaru79> And yes, it is just a link... not an actual copy of the file
[09:49] <ogra> Hikaru79: on debian this once reqired to be a link ....
[09:49] <goms> ok stupid question maybe :)
[09:49] <ogra> Nermal: what for ?
[09:49] <ogra> NermU:
[09:49] <sinzui> __randy__: There is.  It is low priority.  My family puts photo management and printing at a high priority.
[09:49] <CaseysZ28> so is UT2k4 not something that can be run?
[09:50] <LinuxJones> CaseysZ28, what does mount ouput for your dvd rom ?
[09:50] <NermUbuntu> ogra, to enable suspend to disk....
[09:50] <ogra> Hikaru79: does java work at all ?
[09:50] <NermUbuntu> or is there another way to get it to work ;
[09:50] <LinuxJones> CaseysZ28, the only thing that I can think of is that your dvd rom is not mounted to allow execution of scripts.
[09:51] <ogra> NermUbuntu: sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.1
[09:51] <__randy__> CaseysZ28, you have to add execute perms to the script file to get it to run
[09:51] <olu> cds are totally free right?
[09:51] <ogra> olu: yes
[09:51] <CaseysZ28> yeah it has (ro, noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=casey)
[09:51] <kent> It doesn't cost any monney to have a PayPal account does it? Im thinking of donating some monney to Ubuntu, but if paypal costs a few dollars, then i dont think i can afford it, since i only have a few dollars to donate ;)
[09:51] <LinuxJones> CaseysZ28, there you go :)
[09:51] <CaseysZ28> so if i chmod 755 the file it will work?
[09:52] <LinuxJones> CaseysZ28, it's on dvd you can't change it you will have to remount your dvd drive and replace the noexec with exec
[09:52] <olu> someone here know how i switch to xfce instead of using gnome?
[09:53] <iz> olu form your gdm you can choose
[09:53] <iz> form=from
[09:53] <ogra> olu: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LowEndSystemSupport
[09:53] <NermUbuntu> ogra, no custom patchset for ubuntu to apply ?
[09:54] <ogra> NermUbuntu: not sure, but i think it has all you need...
[09:54] <NermUbuntu> ogra, no package for 2.6.8.1
[09:54] <NermUbuntu> newest I can see is 2.6.7
[09:54] <ogra> NermUbuntu: system up to date  ??
[09:55] <NermUbuntu> aye
[09:55] <NermUbuntu> only got warty sources mind, not hoary
[09:55] <ogra> NermUbuntu: what says uname -a
[09:55] <NermUbuntu> Linux woodstock 2.6.8.1-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[09:56] <NermUbuntu> I just want the source to that kernel :|
[09:56] <ogra> NermUbuntu: its there.... did you update your package lists ?
[09:56] <NermUbuntu> aye
[09:56] <NermUbuntu> did an apt-get update
[09:57] <ogra> NermUbuntu: hmm probably something wrong with your sources.list.....
[09:57] <NermUbuntu> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[09:57] <NermUbuntu> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[09:57] <NermUbuntu> and the security sources are there too
[09:57] <ogra> NermUbuntu: youre missing main
[09:57] <NermUbuntu> d0h
[09:58] <NermUbuntu> so hang on.. is main the main debian source list ?
[09:58] <NermUbuntu> and if so, whats universe ?
[09:58] <NermUbuntu> I'm coming from gentoo so bear with me :|
[09:58] <ogra> NermUbuntu: there should be a (commented) line with main in there
[09:59] <ogra> NermUbuntu: # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[09:59] <ogra> NermUbuntu: dont use debian repos....
[10:00] <NermUbuntu> ah... uncommented that and did an apt-get update
[10:00] <ogra> NermUbuntu: universe: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[10:00] <NermUbuntu> but still can't see kernel-source-2.6.8.1 :|
[10:01] <Hikaru79> ogra >> Sorry, back
[10:01] <Hikaru79> ogra, yes it works
[10:01] <derJunior> hi
[10:01] <Hikaru79> Just not as a firefox plugin o_O
[10:01] <derJunior> srocc are you here?
[10:01] <Hikaru79> But the SDK i downloaded (which includes the JRE) can compile and run java programs just fine
[10:01] <Hikaru79> But once i link the file into firefox, nothing happens =.
[10:01] <Hikaru79> *=/
[10:01] <ogra> NermUbuntu: you uncommented the deb-src line too ?
[10:01] <kent> when i donate monney to Ubuntu with paypal, should i choose quasi-cash to donate?
[10:02] <NermUbuntu> ogra, aye
[10:02] <Hikaru79> ogra, any more ideas? =/
[10:02] <paulproteus> NermUbuntu: I think you want to read through the FAQ carefully.  I believe it will answer your questions.
[10:03] <Rachet> hi
[10:03] <ogra> Hikaru79: probably the java wasn't compiled with the same version of gcc as firwfox....
[10:03] <ogra> e
[10:03] <NermUbuntu> paulproteus, bah.. its just screwed
[10:03] <Hikaru79> =O
[10:03] <Hikaru79> Is that a problem?
[10:03] <NermUbuntu> its got all the sources it needs apparently
[10:03] <Hikaru79> They have to be compiled by the same thing?
[10:03] <NermUbuntu> its just being shite
[10:03] <grok> hi there, I've checked the FAQ, however there isn't anything about the problem I've ecountered. Any ideas, what should I do to get Warty installed on a new world G4?
[10:03] <paulproteus> grok: Doesn't it "just work"?
[10:03] <paulproteus> It should.
[10:03] <Hikaru79> Firefox was compiled with : gcc version 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-9ubuntu5)
[10:03] <Hikaru79> How can I check what java was compiled with? ^^ ;
[10:03] <grok> it just gets me to the "select language" screen and the USB doesn't seem to work.
[10:03] <NermUbuntu> paulproteus, and btw, that was one of the most unhelpful comments ever
[10:04] <paulproteus> I have a new world iBook G4 I installed Debian Sarge on lately, and that "just worked".
[10:04] <ogra> Hikaru79: ask sun ? :/
[10:04] <Hikaru79> =/
[10:04] <ogra> Hikaru79: which java package did you use ?
[10:04] <grok> paulproteus: to be more procese, the keyboard doesn't work. and the LED's on the USB hub don't appear to work.
[10:04] <paulproteus> grok: Yikes.
[10:04] <Hikaru79> ogra, J2SE 5.0
[10:04] <grok> paulproteus: therefore I'm assuming the USB driver is not loaded, but I might be wrong...
[10:04] <paulproteus> grok: The keyboard is USB, right?
[10:05] <grok> paulproteus: it is. and that's the best you can get with a G4
[10:05] <amr> ok, quick question, atm i have an 80gb (master) and a 20gb (slave), i want to install linux on the 20 and use lilo/grub to change between windows which is on the 80 and linux on the 20, want to stick ubuntu on the 20gb
[10:05] <NermUbuntu> hmm
[10:05] <NermUbuntu> brb
[10:05] <ogra> Hikaru79: some of this could probably work better: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Java
[10:05] <amr> just wondering if its easy enough to do
[10:06] <paulproteus> amr: It's pretty easy.  You'll have to be careful that you erase the correct drive during install.
[10:06] <grok> paulproteus: I can help troubleshoot, but unless you have a kernel with usb compiled in, this probably aint gonna work, right?
[10:06] <CaseysZ28> woo hoo there goes UT2k4
[10:06] <paulproteus> The USB drivers are usually in the initrd.
[10:06] <paulproteus> grok: The only thing I can suggest is asking the devels in #ubuntu-devel
[10:06] <amr> paulproteus, does linux autodetect the second drive as a windows install and add it to lilo/grub or will i have to do it manually?
[10:07] <grok> paulproteus: will do, thanks! :)
[10:07] <paulproteus> amr: It gets detected.
[10:07] <amr> paulproteus, excellent, thanks
[10:09] <Rachet> hi i need help =( who can help me >_<
[10:09] <paulproteus> Rachet: We'll know when you ask your quesiton.
[10:09] <Rachet> with ubuntu
[10:09] <paulproteus> Until then, we're left guessing.
[10:09] <grok> paulproteus: no luck, all asleep :(
[10:10] <ogra> Ratch: just ask
[10:10] <Rachet> I downloaded Amule . but i dont know how to install it ? i tried to pack it  out but it  is no install file there
[10:11] <ogra> Rachet: there is an xmule package in universe....
[10:11] <jay> unregister_netdevice: waiting for eth1 to become free. Usage count = 7      what does this mean?
[10:11] <Rachet> unviverse where ?
[10:11] <Rachet> i dont know hw to install  stuff on linux
[10:12] <ogra> Rachet: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[10:12] <Kirsch> hey guys, i want to edit the laptop support page on the wiki, but i can't anymore. i have a post there that i had, i want to add to it
[10:12] <paulproteus> kremlyn: Hey, I live in Rochester, too :)
[10:12] <paulproteus> Kirsch: Are you on ubuntulinux.org/wiki ?
[10:13] <paulproteus> There's a new wiki.
[10:13] <ogra> Kirsch: you have to re register on the new wiki ....
[10:14] <Kirsch> i just did.
[10:14] <Kirsch> i'm logged in
[10:16] <Rachet> ogra: i  did it but i cant find my universe
[10:17] <ogra> Rachet: you enabled it in the repositorys ?
[10:17] <ogra> Rachet: and clicked "Refresh" afterwards ?
[10:18] <Kirsch> any idea?
[10:18] <tiago> hi there, How can I get all packages via apt-get?
[10:18] <Kirsch> tiago: not a good idea
[10:18] <tiago> sorry by newbea question :)
[10:19] <Rachet> lol now i got universe  for all og them
[10:19] <ogra> tiago: what for ??
[10:19] <derJunior> had someone talked to srocc a few hours again?
[10:19] <ogra> Rachet: so there is a xmule pkg, just install it....
[10:19] <tiago> ogra, is it better choose aplication and them get it yes?
[10:19] <Rachet> where is xmule ?
[10:20] <Kirsch> tiago: if you want a distro that has better program choices on install, you might wana check out Mandrake
[10:20] <ogra> Rachet: try the search option in synaptic
[10:20] <Kirsch> tiago: its always better to just install the programs u need via synaptic
[10:20] <Rachet> i found it =)
[10:20] <ogra> tiago: why install packages you'll never need ?
[10:21] <tiago> ogra, you are sure
[10:21] <ogra> tiago: just pick what you need from Synaptic....
[10:21] <dtradd> ogra: Hi!
[10:21] <ogra> dtradd: hi....
[10:22] <dtradd> I just changed some things with dpkg, but X stil doesn't work
[10:22] <tiago> ogra, ok, thx:)
[10:22] <Kirsch> dtradd: any error?
[10:22] <dtradd> ogra: it says something about rendering fonts, but perhaps there are other errors
[10:22] <ogra> dtradd: you did a reconfigure ?
[10:22] <CaseysZ28> i now have UT2k4 installed but it errors out when trying to start asking for Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"
[10:22] <CaseysZ28> any ideas?
[10:23] <dtradd> Kirsch, ogra: Yes, I did a reconfigure, but X doesn't start. I reviewed the log, but I haven't find anything useful yet
[10:23] <neon> hi :)
[10:23] <IvIoyner> CaseysZ28: you'll need binary drivers for your gfx-card in most cases
[10:23] <Rachet> do i havw to share files  to connect?
[10:23] <IvIoyner> the opensource drivers for most cards won't provide support for accelerated 3d
[10:23] <ogra> dtradd: did you answer all questions right on reconfigure ?
[10:23] <Kirsch> dtradd: no (EE) lines in there?
[10:24] <CaseysZ28> IvIoyner: so just install the nvidia drivers for my card ?
[10:24] <ogra> Rachet: thats how the mules work
[10:24] <dtradd> ogra: I answered all the question with as much info as I have.
[10:24] <gruberman> CaseysZ28: Or play q3 :)
[10:24] <dtradd> Kirsch: I'll check it again, I found a problem with direct frame buffer writing.
[10:24] <ogra> dtradd: youre sure your install finished correctly ?
[10:24] <neon> i want just to know where do you get money for shipping cd's because i ordered 100 because i know many people who want the cd
[10:25] <CaseysZ28> gruberman: lol
[10:25] <dtradd> ogra: Yes, I followed it  until it said, thanks for choosing ubuntu
[10:25] <cenerentola> ogra: given http://www.pastebin.com/115266
[10:25] <LinuxJones> CaseysZ28, >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:25] <cenerentola> ogra: why if i try to change the resolution it only let me chose 640+480
[10:25] <ogra> dtradd: the first or the second of this message ?
[10:25] <dtradd> Ogra, Kirsch: So far, when I try to startX, It starts a gray screen, with a moving cursor and small terminal window
[10:25] <marcm> hey there
[10:26] <marcm> are there 3rd party repositories for ubuntu?
[10:26] <ogra> dtradd: run base-config again, there is something missing
[10:26] <Rachet> ogra: how do i share  files ?
[10:26] <dtradd> ogra: The first one, after that it said you can login now and I faced a terminal
[10:27] <cenerentola> ogra: plz
[10:27] <Kirsch> orga: is he missing x?
[10:27] <dtradd> ogra: Ok, I'll run it again. Thanks again!
[10:27] <Kirsch> err Gnome
[10:27] <cenerentola> no is not missing x
[10:27] <dtradd> Kirsch: I miss X a lot! :)
[10:27] <marcm> are there mono packages available for ubuntu?
[10:27] <Kirsch> dtradd: u in a terminal window?
[10:27] <ogra> Kirsch: gnome stuff probably
[10:28] <ogra> cenerentola: looking at it
[10:28] <Kirsch> Are you a noobie? (Yes this question is important)
[10:28] <dtradd> Kirsch: Right, Im running irssi-txt to acces IRC
[10:28] <cenerentola> ogra: really big thx
[10:28] <Rachet> ogra: how do i share  files ?
[10:28] <cenerentola> rachet: what do you mean with sharing files?
[10:28] <dtradd> Kirsch: Well, I've been working with Linux for a while (about a year) but still learning
[10:28] <ogra> Rachet: there is documentation on http://emule.sourceforge.net i guess
[10:29] <Kirsch> dtradd: ok, type in "firefox &" and see what happens
[10:29] <Kirsch> does it load?
[10:29] <Rachet> cenerntola: i need to share files on xmule to get connected right ?
[10:29] <cenerentola> rachet: amule
[10:29] <Rachet> no its Xmule
[10:29] <ogra> cenerentola: he's already using xmule
[10:29] <cenerentola> ...yeah u should try amule.. its more stable... but btw.. you shoul have
[10:29] <ogra> cenerentola: no ubuntu pkg
[10:29] <ogra> cenerentola: did you add the modeline by hand ?
[10:30] <cenerentola> ogra: no
[10:30] <restrex> hi guys, somebody knows a tutorial for adsl conecction? sorry for my english :)
[10:30] <restrex> i know, google is my friend
[10:30] <restrex> :)
[10:30] <dtradd> Kirsch: I'll try it
[10:30] <cenerentola> rachet: ok go in the preferences and look at what incoming directory you are using
[10:30] <Rachet> Ogra : why cant i connect to Xmule ?
[10:30] <stuNNed> anyone use gnomad2 w/ubuntu?
[10:30] <neon> good night , i go to the bed
[10:30] <tuxx> How would I get Ubuntu to let my type ll and not ls to list files ?
[10:30] <cenerentola> rachet: are u firewalled... bcause if u
[10:30] <dtradd> Kirsch: It didn't, command not found
[10:30] <ogra> Rachet: are you behind a router/firwall ?
[10:31] <cenerentola> rachet: have a low id some servers wont accept your connection
[10:31] <dtradd> Kirsch: I'm going to run base-config again, as ogra suggested
[10:31] <ogra> cenerentola: how was this x config created ?
[10:31] <cenerentola> rachet: have u got a server list?
[10:31] <dtradd> Kirsch: Perhaps there's something missing
[10:31] <Rachet> how do i check if i got fire wall ?
[10:32] <cenerentola> ogra: with normal installation plus "sudo nvidia-config enable"
[10:32] <cenerentola> rachet: have you got a server list?
[10:32] <cenerentola> rachet: you what is the mean you're using to connect to the internet?
[10:33] <Rachet> broadband
[10:33] <dtradd> Be right back, thank you
[10:33] <cenerentola> rachet: trought dialup?
[10:33] <Rachet> no
[10:33] <cenerentola> rachet: router or normal modem?
[10:33] <Rachet> i  im connected 24/7
[10:33] <ogra> cenerentola: the file itself looks ok, i'm a bit astonished that it's got only one res and that there is a modeline in
[10:33] <Rachet> i use hub
[10:34] <abli> Hi! does the ubuntu live CD have ntfs write support?
[10:34] <cenerentola> rachet: wherea are you?
[10:34] <NermUbuntu> hmm.. read the faqs
[10:34] <vrln> abli: no
[10:34] <cenerentola> ogra: what should i do then?
[10:34] <NermUbuntu> still no kernel 2.6.8.1 available :|
[10:34] <cenerentola> rachet: i mean are you at home?
[10:34] <ogra> cenerentola: what kind of laptop is this ?
[10:34] <NermUbuntu> anything else spring to mind ?
[10:34] <Rachet> im from norway
[10:34] <cenerentola> ogra: toshiba m30-154
[10:34] <vrln> abli: there is no working safe ntfs write support in the linux kernel
[10:34] <Rachet> ye im home
[10:34] <stuNNed> ?why can't i access my usb device as normal user?
[10:34] <Rachet> all my ports are open
[10:35] <cenerentola> rachet: do you know what a .met server list is?
[10:35] <abli> ok, thanks
[10:35] <Rachet> no
[10:35] <ogra> NermUbuntu: it's there ....
[10:35] <cenerentola> rachet: does xmule show a list of server?
[10:35] <cenerentola> ...servers?
[10:35] <paulproteu1> Sorry, got disconnected.  I see the netboot HOWTO, but that's a little overcomplicated for what I need.  Just something like Debian's two-floppy boot-then-load-rest-from-net install.
[10:35] <Rachet> nope =(
[10:35] <paulproteu1> Is there a network-and-floppy-no-CDs install for Ubuntu?
[10:35] <SmokingFire> what are the plans for firefox 1.0rc?
[10:35] <Kirsch> i don't knwo where the convo is in relation to xmule or amule or whatever, which is good?
[10:36] <SmokingFire> It should be in hoarty not?
[10:36] <cenerentola> rachet: maybe i got your problem hold on
[10:37] <ogra> Rachet: there is a button to get a new list
[10:37] <cenerentola> ogra: is talking with me in query.. what should i do
[10:38] <cenerentola> with xfree
[10:38] <adnans> would really like a widescreen (16:10) version of the HumanCircle gdm theme :)
[10:39] <ogra> cenerentola: got no idea.... probably fabbione has time to look at http://www.pastebin.com/115266
[10:39] <cenerentola> can you contact him plz
[10:40] <Hikaru79> ogra, I solved my java problem :) It seems I had simply made a type in the 'ln -s' command xD
[10:40] <Hikaru79> Wow
[10:40] <ogra> cenerentola: he recived a beep, if he's around and has time he'll react
[10:40] <Hikaru79> I feel stupid now ;(
[10:40] <Hikaru79> But at least it works ^ ^
[10:40] <marcm> are there mono packages available for ubuntu?
[10:40] <ogra> Hikaru79: yay
[10:41] <ogra> marcm: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[10:41] <marcm> thanks
[10:42] <dtradd> Hi everyone!
[10:42] <ogra> dtradd: now ?
[10:42] <dtradd> I have reviewed the XFree log and I found no errors
[10:43] <ogra> dtradd: you ran base-config again ?
[10:43] <dtradd> ogra: Do you recommend a fresh install?
[10:43] <ogra> dtradd: normally no....
[10:43] <dtradd> ogra: Yes, I ran base-config again, but nothing happenned
[10:44] <ogra> dtradd: nothing ?
[10:44] <dtradd> ogra: no, sorry. I mean it ran, but I got stuck when it asked me where to get the ubuntu files
[10:44] <dtradd> ogra: cdrom, ftp, http, local directories?
[10:45] <dtradd> ogra: so I chose cdrom and aptitude started
[10:45] <ogra> dtradd: did it install something ?
[10:45] <dtradd> ogra: some upgrades to gettext I think or something like that
[10:46] <dtradd> ogra: do you think gnome is missing?
[10:46] <dtradd> ogra: or perhaps it's video related problem?
[10:46] <ogra> dtradd: looks like _something_ is missing.... your video is fine if you get the grey screen with thwe terminal win...
[10:47] <stuNNed> ogra, hi kind sir, would you happen to know why when i start gnomad2 to sync my usb dell dj i can only run as root user?  normal user is device not found
[10:48] <marcm> how does ubuntu differentiate itself from other distros?
[10:48] <ogra> stuNNed: sorry no idea, i have no mp3 player.... do you know the device name ?
[10:49] <dtradd> ogra: Ok, so my X configuration is right. So I can save my XFree86Config file
[10:49] <dtradd> ogra: and start looking at a configuration problem, right?
[10:49] <ogra> marcm: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[10:50] <stuNNed> ogra, usb 5-5: new high speed USB device using address 3 - is all i get from dmesg/logfiles
[10:50] <ogra> dtradd: what happens if you run: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start ?
[10:50] <ogra> stuNNed: i mean what device is gnomad connecting to
[10:50] <dtradd> ogra: let me try it
[10:51] <stuNNed> ogra, dell digital jukebox ?
[10:51] <dtradd> ogra: It says command not found
[10:52] <ogra> stuNNed: no, the program will point to any device in /dev i guess... find out which and look at the group the file in /dev belongs to....
[10:52] <netru> lo
[10:52] <ogra> dtradd: odd
[10:52] <ogra> dtradd: try: sudo apt-get -f install
[10:52] <dtradd> ogra: indeed...
[10:53] <dtradd> ogra: Ok, let me try it
[10:53] <stuNNed> ogra, ok, let me see
[10:54] <dtradd> ogra: 0 upgraded, 0 to be installed, 0 to be deleted, 0 non updated
[10:54] <ogra> dtradd: even more odd....
[10:54] <ogra> dtradd: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:54] <dtradd> ogra: totally, perhaps I could try a fresh reinstall
[10:55] <dtradd> ogra: I don't know, this is my first contact with a debian-based distro
[10:55] <dtradd> ogra: I mean, apt-get is new for me, I belonged to the dependency hell of RPM's
[10:55] <phosphorgreen> hello every1
[10:55] <ogra> dtradd: looks like something broke during install.... so probably reinstalling is better, youre right
[10:56] <phosphorgreen> does anyone know how to get an Epson Stylus C64 USB Printer working in Ubuntu? It's not in the list but I've read that it *can* work in Debian
[10:56] <dtradd> ogra: Ok, I'll try it in a while. I need a small break.
[10:56] <netru> i have a little question : how to install ubuntu by floppy (without cd rom boot) ?
[10:56] <dtradd> ogra: Are you going to be around for a while?
[10:57] <ogra> dtradd: its 11pm here, i'll stay some hours....
[10:57] <dtradd> ogra: Ok, I hope to see you in a while, hopefully from Gaim's IRC client
[10:58] <dtradd> ogra: and thanks for everything, as always, the strenght of linux resides in its community
[10:58] <aidehua> `the strength of linux be with you' :)
[10:58] <ogra> thats ubuntu folks !
[10:59] <IceDragon`> can some one elp me
[10:59] <dtradd> Thanks again for everything people!! good luck!
[10:59] <Aard> SUNWapchu
[10:59] <ogra> IceDragon`: go on
[10:59] <Aard> gah.
[10:59] <IceDragon`> I'm  running gnoppix on cd how do I make it so it runs off the hd instead of the cd
[11:00] <Aard> IceDragon`: installing? :)
[11:00] <holger_> VMware is asking me about the directory of C header files that match my running kernel. And I don't know and can't find. Can someone help me?
[11:00] <IceDragon`> yeah
[11:00] <ogra> IceDragon`: probably try #gnoppix.....
[11:00] <IceDragon`> want to install off the gnopppix live cd
[11:00] <seiseisei> Ice: consider installing Ubuntu then. These LiveCD distros sometimes don't recommend installing to the HD
[11:00] <phosphorgreen> does anyone know how to get an Epson Stylus C64 USB Printer working in Ubuntu? It's not in the list but I've read that it *can* work in Debian
[11:00] <IceDragon`> I can't install any thing to the hd rightnow for some reason only lets me run off cds
[11:01] <ogra> IceDragon`: gnoppix != ubuntu
[11:01] <IceDragon`> ther isn't a gnoppix channel on here
[11:01] <seiseisei> Ice: it isn't recommended, sorry.
[11:01] <IceDragon`> but can it be done because I have no os at all rightnow
[11:02] <vinsci> IceDragon`, use the gnoppix mailing lists, then
[11:02] <Aard> IceDragon`: if you want to install something, try ubuntu. if you want to install gnoppix geht _loads_ of drugs becaus it will make you unhappy.
[11:02] <jpvcx> holger_ do you mean the kernel source?
[11:02] <IceDragon`> I can't get uduntu
[11:03] <Aard> IceDragon`: why?
[11:03] <ogra> IceDragon`: why ?
[11:03] <ogra> Aard: ;)
[11:03] <holger_> jpvcx: normally it should come in /usr/src/linux/include
[11:03] <IceDragon`> because I only have one cd drive for reading and writting cd's and I can't put a blank cd in the  drive to burn it because I'm running off the cd rightnow
[11:03] <Aard> IceDragon`: request a cd?
[11:03] <tuxx> How would I get Ubuntu to let my type ll and not ls to list files ?
[11:04] <Aard> tuxx: man alias
[11:04] <IceDragon`> even then I doubt it would work because I've tried installing fedora windows xp and me and one of them worked
[11:04] <jpvcx> holger_ kernel-sources arent installed by default
[11:04] <Aard> weee, fedora switched over to making windows distributions?
[11:04] <vinsci> IceDragon`, you might be able to install ubuntu from gnoppix as described here: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromKnoppixHowto
[11:04] <IceDragon`> it would partition and formatte and then go to re boot to continue the install and it would say error missing operating system
[11:04] <ogra> tuxx: add alias ll='ls -l' to .bashrc
[11:05] <holger_> jpvcx: that means, without kernel sources no VMware?
[11:05] <ogra> holger_: install linux-headers
[11:05] <jdz`> tuxx: an alias for `ll' should be in ~/.bashrc -- uncomment it
[11:06] <ogra> holger_: i.e. sudo apt-get install  linux-headers-2.6-386
[11:06] <GeosB> Why run unbuntu all vesa mode  Mepis 2004 run    more fast
[11:06] <IceDragon`> but not using knoppix I'm using gnoppix live
[11:07] <tuxx> jdz` that's done now but still not working. Do I have to reboot?
[11:07] <vinsci> IceDragon`, shouldn't be a problem
[11:07] <ogra> tuxx: open a new terminal ;)
[11:07] <CaseysZ28> i take it there aren't very many packages for the amd64
[11:07] <IceDragon`> dob't have a printer to print the document out
[11:07] <IceDragon`> lol
[11:07] <CaseysZ28> nvidia-glx isn't working
[11:08] <IceDragon`> don't ^
[11:08] <vinsci> IceDragon`, so keep it open in another window as you work ;-)
[11:09] <jdz`> tuxx: You'll either have to `source .bashrc' or log out and log back in
[11:09] <CaseysZ28> ???
[11:09] <tuxx> jdz` ohh yes.. oh yes. Works now. Thanks pal!
[11:10] <tuxx> Now I just need to get Gnome to use my artwiz fonts. That's harder than expected.
[11:10] <jdz`> tuxx: *grins* cool.  You shouldn't have to reboot much with linux :)
[11:10] <ogra> tuxx: try: sudo fc-cache
[11:10] <tuxx> jdz` I know and after 3 years with Mandrake and rare boots I couldn't understand that :-)
[11:11] <CaseysZ28> does anyone have any suggestions for getting nvidia-glx installed on the amd64
[11:11] <tuxx> ogra I've done that severel times
[11:11] <ogra> tuxx: you took the ubuntu pkg ?
[11:11] <tuxx> ogra I've followed the guide step by step and I've even tried the ones provided by apt-get... just no luck
[11:11] <tuxx> ogra both
[11:12] <NermalWifi> can anyone who can see kernel-sources-2.6.8.1 pm me their sources.list ?
[11:13] <elkrammer> is there any unofficial xorg package for ubuntu?
[11:13] <ogra> Nermal: its called linux-source
[11:14] <ogra> NermalW:
[11:14] <mbb> ogra: (IceDragon`: gnoppix != ubuntu) I just looked at www.gnoppix.net, found several links to ubuntu's web site, and cannonical's address listed. what is the connection??
[11:14] <ogra> mbb: they just took the desktop and stuck it on a knoppix
[11:15] <ogra> elkrammer: ther'll be an official one if hoary comes out ;)
[11:15] <elkrammer> :-)
[11:16] <mbb> ogra: thanks, looking at gnoppix.org, could get the idea there's a bigger connection than that.
[11:16] <ogra> mbb: ubuntu has its own livecd ;)
[11:18] <nictuku> hmm what should I do to play mp3 in rhythmbox?
[11:18] <GeosB> Knopix have java onboard  Ubuntu not :-(
[11:18] <stvn> wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:18] <nictuku> i have the universe repository configured
[11:18] <nictuku> thanks stvn
[11:18] <stvn> nictuku: ^^
[11:18] <stvn> np
[11:18] <ogra> nict:https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:19] <ogra> oh stvn
[11:19] <stvn> ogra: eh?
[11:19] <stvn> ogra: new url??
[11:20] <ogra> stvn: new wiki ;)
[11:20] <stvn> ah
[11:21] <ogra> stvn: the "oh" was related to you, outsmarted the bot *g*
[11:21] <holger_> ogra: vmware-config.pl says: Even if the module were to compile successfully, it would not load into the running kernel.
[11:21] <stvn> heh
[11:21] <stvn> ogra: i ge used to typing wiki urls ;)
[11:22] <ogra> stvn: copy n paste rules ;)
[11:23] <ogra> holger_: tryed this ? https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/VMware/view?searchterm=vmware
[11:23] <stvn> nah, this was old fashioned typing ;)
[11:23] <stuNNed> ogra, did you have a link for installing ubuntu on older hardware?
[11:23] <nictuku> is it known that during the installation it can happen a problem with CD-ROM drives? The installer enabled DMA in my driver, and it shouldn't.
[11:23] <nictuku> that could be an annoying bug for newbies.
[11:24] <elkrammer> does ubuntu support reiser4?
[11:24] <ogra> stvn: this ? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LowEndSystemSupport
[11:24] <ogra> oh
[11:24] <ogra> stvn/stuNNed
[11:24] <NermalWifi> anyone else have any ideas.  I have done an apt-get update, my sources.list is complete (with main and everything) and yet I still cannot see kernel-source-2.6.8.1
[11:24] <NermalWifi> ogra seems at a loss :|
[11:25] <matthew> kapputu: i made some progress on sound -- have you blacklisted parport, parport_pc and lp...?
[11:25] <stuNNed> ogra, that's it, thank ye kind sir
[11:25] <Aard> NermalWifi: because it's kernel-source-2.6.8-1? ;)
[11:25] <kapputu> if ogra, can't help then it's very difficult
[11:25] <NermalWifi> umm
[11:25] <kapputu> hmm no matthew
[11:25] <ogra> elkrammer: not yet
[11:25] <Rachet> hi i installed Amsn but i dont know wher it is  can some one help me ?
[11:25] <matthew> kapputu: i recommend the blacklisting if you don't need those modules...
[11:26] <|trey|> Rachet, dpkg -L amsn
[11:26] <NermalWifi> Aard, ah, no.. if I do an apt-cache search kernel-source it stops at 2.6.7
[11:26] <jpvcx> NermalWifi:its called linux-source-2.6.8
[11:26] <NermalWifi> thats not there either. the list stops at 2.6.7
[11:26] <kapputu> matthew, blacklist where ?
[11:26] <Rachet> |trey|: and then ?
[11:26] <Aard> NermalWifi: anyway, why don't you just go with vanilla sources from kernel.org?
[11:26] <kapputu> hi |trey|
[11:27] <jpvcx> NermalWifi:not?
[11:27] <NermalWifi> thats the lastest kernel I have :(
[11:27] <matthew> kapputu: /etc/hotplug/blacklist i think...
[11:27] <|trey|> Nermal, apt-get install kernel-source is cleaner  :)
[11:27] <|trey|> Rachet, read I guess? I dunno what you're looking for  :(
[11:27] <amr> hihi, just installed ubuntu and theres no alsaconf :[ trying to apt-get install alsaconf says alsa-utils is already installed, has it been renamed to something?
[11:27] <|trey|> kapputu, hey  :)
[11:27] <ogra> Aard: becvause its in ubuntu ?
[11:27] <Aard> |trey|: erm, what can be `not clean' when installing a kernel? :)
[11:27] <CaseysZ28> i was after a true 64 bit os that would work and allow me to play game
[11:27] <CaseysZ28> games
[11:27] <Rachet> |trey|: i want to launch the program so i can logg in
[11:27] <alexey> Hello
[11:27] <kapputu> matthew, i can't find it
[11:28] <dr_dindic> amr: never needed alsaconf
[11:28] <CaseysZ28> does anyone know where i can find amd64 packages?
[11:28] <amr> dr_dindic, so yours always worked?
[11:28] <dr_dindic> amr: yes
[11:28] <kapputu> I'm just soaking in Ubuntu
[11:28] <matthew> kapputu: hmmm, i added parport, parport_pc and lp lines to /etc/hotplug/blacklist and sound worked -- for a second; i get a sound at login and then sound goes away for good until reboot
[11:28] <|trey|> Rachet, then you want whatever it says it has in /usr/bin/
[11:28] <kapputu> I see ubuntu everywhere
[11:29] <dr_dindic> amr: just module loading > alsamixer restore and ready to go
[11:29] <kapputu> matthew, you had a via82xx soundcard ?
[11:29] <amr> dr_dindic, wheres module loading? :x
[11:29] <|trey|> kapputu, thats what I use... find that mine needs 'ac97' too...
[11:30] <ogra> Aard: debian based kenrel recieve some patches that are included in the linux-source pkg
[11:30] <matthew> nah, laptop with onboard i810 -- thought you were using i810, too, no...?
[11:30] <dr_dindic> amr: modprobe and-yoursoundcard
[11:30] <|trey|> kapputu, lspci | grep AC97
[11:30] <kapputu> I don't have a AC 97 sound card
[11:31] <nictuku> my sound board was not properly configured. I've inserted the module, opl3sa2, and restarted the alsa service. What else should I do to get sound working?
[11:31] <|trey|> kapputu, oh... nm then  :)
[11:31] <aidehua> Does anyone ever hanker after some magical support tools to make helping people over IRC easier?  (e.g. Backoffice :)
[11:32] <HWolf> What do I need to play mp3 in Rhythmbox besides Gstreamer0.8-mad?
[11:32] <|trey|> aidehua, would be cool if you someone could link IRC to Vino for Ubuntu support  :)
[11:32] <amr> ok dr_dindic, i've modprob'ed it but alsamixer has my onboard soundcard loaded, how do i switch them around?
[11:32] <ogra> HWolf: should work then
[11:32] <dr_dindic> amr: man alsamixer, i think it was -c
[11:33] <dr_dindic> amr: alsamixer -c 1 for your second card
[11:33] <matthew> |trey|: you got experience with AC'97 sound...?
[11:33] <|trey|> Maybe official Ubuntu people could have a gpg public key for security  8)
[11:33] <|trey|> matthew, I'm using it, does that count?
[11:33] <matthew> |trey|: heh, if it works, sure...
[11:33] <kapputu> ogra, |trey| - is there a link to install mplayer without compiling src ?
[11:33] <|trey|> matthew, it is  :)
[11:34] <|trey|> kapputu, what arch?
[11:34] <kapputu> i386
[11:34] <ogra> kapputu: scroll down: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:34] <matthew> |trey|: any tricks -- i made some progress with blacklisting parport et al
[11:34] <kapputu> it should have been i686 but in my excitement to download ubuntu, I downloaded the wrong iso
[11:34] <|trey|> kapputu, apt-get.org - search w32codecs - first listed is nerim stating "marillat", use that...
[11:34] <aidehua> |trey|: how about a magical button in Ubuntu's Gnome desktop that took a screenshot and put it up on http://support.ubuntulinux.org/[a few characters in a-z, A-Z, 0-9 that let you uniquely identify that screenshot] .
[11:34] <Echylo> gnight every1
[11:34] <matthew> |trey|: i get one wonderful sound at login and then nothing again until reboot
[11:35] <ogra> kapputu: there is no 686 iso
[11:35] <aidehua> Then you could post something like [4t78]  to #ubuntu so the person helping could see what the hell the other person is talking about it :)
[11:35] <|trey|> matthew, here, I just load via82xx and ac97... on install ac97 isn't loaded  :/
[11:35] <kapputu> i mean 586
[11:35] <ogra> kapputu: only 386 ;)
[11:35] <kapputu> mine is a P-III
[11:35] <kapputu> only 386 ???
[11:36] <matthew> |trey|: thanks -- i'll try it...
[11:36] <kapputu> oh I thought there was a 586 iso
[11:36] <ogra> kapputu: so install linux-686
[11:36] <kapputu> ok I dint screw up then
[11:36] <kapputu> that page doesnt have a link
[11:36] <|trey|> kapputu, yeah, its there... you want the 'mplayer-nogui w32codecs ffmpegs' packages...
[11:36] <ogra> kapputu: what page ?
[11:37] <|trey|> matthew, haven't noticed the problem since I loaded ac97, not sure if that will work for you too though  :(
[11:37] <kapputu> wiki page
[11:37] <jpvcx> ogra: isn't mplayer in multiverse these days?
[11:37] <ogra> kapputu: look for the synaptic URI
[11:38] <toresbe> Hey guys
[11:38] <stuNNed> hi kapput
[11:38] <stuNNed> hi toresbe
[11:38] <ogra> kapputu: add it to your repositorys .... then install the mplayer-686 pkg
[11:38] <stuNNed> kapputu even!
[11:38] <toresbe>  /topic
[11:38] <toresbe> oops
[11:39] <stuNNed> toresbe, probly do that soon as well :)
[11:39] <ogra> n
[11:39] <kapputu> hi stuNNed welcome back
[11:39] <kapputu> can't see the URI
[11:39] <kapputu> I just see a bulle
[11:39] <kapputu> bullet
[11:40] <ogra> kapputu: there is written URI: behind a big square dot
[11:40] <stuNNed> thanks kapputu
[11:40] <stuNNed> is there wpa wirless encryption support in ubuntu?
[11:41] <toresbe> stuNNed: I have a bug on it. It activates PCMCIA *AFTER* it does interfaces - and thus PCMCIA NICs aren't brought up
[11:41] <ogra> kapputu:   URI: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat Distribution:   testing Section(s):     main
[11:42] <stuNNed> toresbe, ah ok, url for bug? :)
[11:44] <kapputu> sorry ogra
[11:44] <kapputu> I din't read properly
[11:44] <ogra> kapputu: yep
[11:44] <kapputu> I added that to my sources.list
[11:45] <ogra> but the wiki layout is broken anyway
[11:45] <kapputu> somehow I'm comfortable with apt
[11:45] <ogra> just fixing
[11:45] <kapputu> need help ?
[11:45] <ogra> kapputu: dont forget apt-get update
[11:45] <kapputu> yeah I did that
[11:45] <kapputu> I've become quite comfortable with apt now
[11:46] <ogra> kapputu: fine :)
[11:46] <kapputu> what's ffmpegs used for ?
[11:47] <restrex> hi guys
[11:47] <restrex> :)
[11:48] <kapputu> hi restrex
[11:48] <kapputu> how r u today
[11:48] <restrex> cool
[11:48] <restrex> !!
[11:48] <restrex> :D:D
[11:48] <restrex> so happy
[11:48] <kapputu> that you got ubuntu ?
[11:49] <restrex> cause i have installed ubuntu
[11:49] <kapputu> great !!
[11:49] <restrex> :D
[11:49] <restrex> ubunto rocks heavy!
[11:49] <restrex> ubuntu
[11:49] <restrex> jiji
[11:49] <kapputu> welcome to the community
[11:49] <toresbe> stuNNed: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1261
[11:49] <restrex> yes
[11:49] <restrex> :P
[11:49] <restrex> :D
[11:49] <restrex> today
[11:49] <restrex> :P
[11:49] <kapputu> it sure does !!
[11:49] <restrex> jiji
[11:49] <stuNNed> toresbe, thanks
[11:49] <restrex> thanks!
[11:49] <toresbe> stuNNed: You a developer?
[11:49] <restrex> :D
[11:49] <kapputu> I have three ubuntus
[11:49] <restrex> mm
[11:49] <stuNNed> hmm can't change desktop background
[11:49] <kapputu> I wouldnt need gstreamer stuff if I install mplayer ?
[11:50] <stuNNed> toresbe, sure ain't
[11:50] <stuNNed> kapputu, rely on gstreamer here for rhythmbox
[11:50] <restrex> kapputu
[11:50] <restrex> :)
[11:51] <kapputu> how's rhythmbox better than mplayer ?
[11:51] <restrex> can i ask u somethin?
[11:51] <restrex> :)
[11:51] <kapputu> yeah sure
[11:51] <mdz> kapputu: they serve different purposes
[11:51] <kapputu> except my age
[11:51] <restrex> ok
[11:51] <kapputu> ;-P
[11:51] <restrex> tnx
[11:51] <restrex> :P
[11:51] <restrex> well,
[11:51] <stuNNed> kapputu, never really used mplayer for audio files, only video
[11:52] <|trey|> kapputu, thats like saying "how is winamp better then wmp
[11:52] <kapputu> I framed the question wrong
[11:53] <NermUbuntu> damn
[11:53] <kapputu> anyway I guess rhythmbox is primarily for audio and mplayer is used for audio ?
[11:53] <kapputu> does rhythmbox provide mozilla plugins ?
[11:53] <NermUbuntu> got so pissed off at my wifi card going down I slammed it in so hard I broke my laptops pcmcia slot :|
[11:53] <kapputu> hi Hiky
[11:53] <kapputu> web
[11:53] <NermUbuntu> and the damn thing is part of the main board :/
[11:53] <ogra> argh
[11:53] <stuNNed> uh oh
[11:54] <NermUbuntu> so now I'm just about on the net with this dodgy usb network adaptor
[11:54] <NermUbuntu> new battery today as well :/
[11:54] <HWolf> Is anyone aware of any issue's between Thunderbird and the routing table?
[11:54] <kapputu> I have an issue with Ubuntu and the dinner table
[11:54] <kapputu>  I simply don't want to go there
[11:54] <kapputu> ;-)
[11:55] <restrex> kapputu
[11:55] <kapputu> welcome back Phr0stByte
[11:55] <NermUbuntu> bugger :(
[11:55] <kapputu> yes restrex
[11:55] <restrex> how can i configure a internet connection ppoee
[11:55] <restrex> ?
[11:55] <restrex> :)
[11:55] <kapputu> dialup ?
[11:55] <restrex> sorry, i have connected my ubunto by proxy
[11:55] <LinuxJones> restrex, ppoeconf
[11:55] <restrex> adsl
[11:55] <restrex> :)
[11:55] <restrex> oh ok
[11:56] <restrex> mm
[11:56] <kapputu> hi LinuxJones
[11:56] <HWolf> I was already having problems with my ppp0 connection not coming up at boot, but it seems the moment I use thunderbird, I lose connection.
[11:56] <holger_> thank you, BIG HELPING HAND
[11:56] <kapputu> ogra, you there ?
[11:57] <NermUbuntu> right.. bbb
[11:57] <kapputu> I have broken dependencies if i try to install mplayer-586
[11:57] <LinuxJones> kapputu, hiya :)
[11:57] <restrex> ppoeconf --- mm LinuxJones :)
[11:57] <restrex> what is this?
[11:57] <credmp> hey all
[11:57] <restrex> :S sorry :P
[11:58] <LinuxJones> restrex, it is to configure your ppoe dsl connection
[11:58] <toresbe> How the HECK to I do stuff as root?
[11:58] <credmp> sudo
[11:58] <HWolf> toresbe: sudo <command>
[11:58] <HWolf> in terminal
[11:58] <credmp> sudo su - is a root login shell
[11:58] <toresbe> HWolf: It asks me for a PW!
[11:58] <credmp> enter your own
[11:59] <HWolf> Do a psswd root
[11:59] <restrex> i have to go byes
[11:59] <restrex> :P
[11:59] <HWolf> :-) I just set up a root account. :-)
[11:59] <toresbe> credmp: I see! Thanks! :)
[11:59] <ogra> ufff