=== T-Bone is now known as T-Gone === sparkes [~sparkes@host217-42-166-29.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === T-Gone is now known as T-Bone === |trey| [~trey@ip68-230-75-109.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KeyserSoze [unbound@pound.ifndef.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbb [Mike@d15-155.rb.gh.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jk [~jochem@jkossen.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:40] cdrecord makes baby jesus cry [01:42] indeed. [01:43] mdz: yes [01:43] anyone know a good way to tell what format a video is in? i can't get it to play under anything i can find for ubuntu *or* windows media [01:43] srbaker: please use #ubuntu for support [01:43] mdz: joerg doubly so [01:43] whoops [01:44] http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/glone/employees/joerg.schilling/private/cdrecord.html [01:44] that was the logo that won the logo contest. === mdz 's eyes bleed [01:45] If that won I don't want to know what lost [02:07] jdub: did you realize that OpenBSD is on the same release schedule as Ubuntu and GNOME? [02:07] jdub: stockholm just pointed this out [02:08] seriously? april/october? [02:09] "The current release is OpenBSD 3.6 which was released Oct 29, 2004." [02:09] hrm, wonder where their release planning pages are [02:11] 5.1 - OpenBSD's Flavors [02:11] There are three "flavors" of OpenBSD: [02:11] * -release: The version of OpenBSD shipped every six months on CD. [02:11] i ran into theo the other day [02:11] The OpenBSD team makes a new release every six months, with target release dates of May 1 and November 1. More information on the development cycle can be found here. [02:11] http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Flavors === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-224-143-227.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:12] hrm, always annoying when real content is stuck in a FAQ [02:12] he is hitting up everyone about getting the wifi fimrwares opened [02:12] and giving linus stick about it, too [02:13] good cause [02:13] annoying methods [02:13] some bsd'ers dont realize that freedom isnt everyones bag of tea [02:13] not that there arent linux/gpl zealots [02:15] jdub: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq1.html#Next [02:15] ah, you found it already [02:16] sigh @ "breakmyubuntu" [02:16] id rather not have my work labeled as such [02:17] daniels: dont forget libdbus-cil :P [02:18] tseng: haven't forgotten dbus; after I've taken care of the merge, I'll be preparing packages of CVS D-BUS with Mono support [02:19] daniels = the man. === T-Bone calls it a night, bye all === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-224-143-227.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [~chuck@zul.developer.gentoo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-224-143-227.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:21] brazilian-conjugate - Brazilian Portuguese verb conjugator [02:21] ^ heh === tuo2 [~foo@adsl-36-114.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kosai` [cjb@islay.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kosai [cjb@islay.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel ["ERC] === Kosai` is now known as Kosai === x4m [~max@199-92.242.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === justdave [~dave@24.236.223.222.gha.mi.chartermi.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:11] moo [03:40] hrm [03:40] so [03:41] attempting to do XDMCP query to 192.168.10.10 [03:41] gdm wants to connect back to the Xnest on 192.168.10.100 [03:41] however [03:41] well, it should want to [03:41] however, [03:41] it's attempting to connect to 192.168.10.3 [03:41] which is the access point [03:42] rather bizarre [03:43] works fine if i don't go through the AP === asw [~Alexander@node-423a728a.bos.onnet.us.uu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:11] jdub: maybe it's a "smart" AP? === lamont watches his mirror try to play catch-up [04:13] judging from the last time I tried to get a wireless connection at jdub's place, it's probably the neighbours' AP ;-) === lamont finishes getting util-linux up to date. [04:21] assuming it builds, etc [04:22] jdub: is there a reliable way to distinguish a hoary machine from a debian machine? === doko [doko@dsl-082-082-067-110.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:43] mdz: please sync debian bug #269366 to hoary === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-224-143-227.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:54] morning guys === maskie [~maskie@196-30-110-88.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont idly wishes that his debian mirror would finish, so he can build and upload the postfix that the hoary upload is based on... :-) === hornbeck [~hornbeck@adsl-69-149-187-138.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hornbeck [~hornbeck@adsl-69-149-187-138.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:40] lamont: i have sid here, if you want, i can upload for you' [05:40] doen [05:40] just needed a couple files from krb5 [05:40] ehhe === lamont hugs his sid-full suite [05:41] (that's a full set of packages files, without the .debs to back them up...) [05:41] but means that just wget'ing the.deb fixes things up quite nicely. :-) [05:41] eheh [05:41] the actual mirror (dists/sid) contains a leaner, meaner, Packages.gz [05:42] because you do partial mirroring? [05:42] /dev/vgdata/debianorg 40G 34G 4.2G 89% /mirrors/debian.org [05:43] i still have some space to play with [05:43] but i think i will kill my debian mirror pretty soon [05:51] 2552748 /org/debian/tree [05:51] 7655432 /org/ubuntu/tree [05:51] not much of a debian tree, I'll admit [05:51] esp since it has sid:i386,ia64,hppa,alpha, sarge: i386,ia64,hppa, and woody: i386, with source for all. === Gmail [~Google@gnu-debian.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:52] something the devel shound know: [05:52] B = Before [05:52] E = Engineers [05:52] T = Take [05:52] A = Action [05:52] lamont: i only have i386 and sources for woody/sarge/i386 [05:52] ehm... sid === Gmail [~Google@gnu-debian.user] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [05:53] fabbione: most of my mirror is either packages for machiens that don't have ubuntu support, or packages [and their (build-)depends] that I maintain. [05:54] yes.. [05:54] hrm.. interesting drive-by defining. [05:54] i need a full mirror for the ipv6 stats [05:54] all the sources and binaries are parsed regularly every day [05:54] oh - hey... wanna see if I broke ipv6 with 2.1.5-1ubuntu1? [05:54] at least the interdiff between day1 and dayx [05:55] I don't _think_ I did... [05:55] lamont: i am not running ubuntu on my mail server (yet) [05:55] s/ubuntu1// [05:55] but that'll be in the archive tomorrow [05:55] if it is for debian sure [05:55] pass it here [05:55] is it in incoming? [05:55] yeah [05:55] ok [05:56] I do need to go get the current ipv6 patch and merge it in, [05:56] jeee [05:56] i need to buy a dvd burner ASAP === lamont will be where he could buy and bring in december, if that makes life easier... [05:58] problem is that i can't delete anything [05:58] not that i don't know how to use rm [05:58] but it's just me that can't [05:58] so i keep filling up tons of harddisks for crap [05:59] fabbione: disks are cheap [06:00] i don't have any more space for harddisks in the file server [06:00] Alloc PE / Size 157367 / 614.71 GB [06:00] there are already 8 disks in there [06:00] Alloc PE / Size 2493 / 9.74 GB [06:00] and the system vg [06:01] the first one is just data [06:02] btw.. why did you created a _multi.changes, uploading only i386? [06:03] telnet ::1 25 [06:04] Connected to ::1. [06:04] 220 trider-g7.fabbione.net ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU) [06:05] fabbione: cool [06:05] lamont: try to send me a mail please [06:06] this morning seems to be low traffic [06:07] ipv4 works fine [06:07] i didn't receive any mail via ipv6 yet [06:13] it seems to be ok [06:14] fabbione: if it's not, I'm sure I'll hear about it.. :-) [06:14] ehehhe [06:14] anyway, off to bed. [06:14] good night === hornbeck [~hornbeck@adsl-69-149-187-138.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:27] has anyone seen sivang? === leaf_ [~leaf@lsanca2-ar34-4-62-249-237.lsanca2.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === leaf_ [~leaf@lsanca2-ar34-4-62-249-237.lsanca2.dsl-verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [07:06] tseng: i'm going to find out where you live one day [07:31] is it just me or is plone/zwiki/zope slow? [07:34] plone and zwiki are both zope2 -- dog slow [07:35] are you implying zope3 isn't? [07:36] trying to establish if zope is worth getting into :) [07:37] zope3 is good crack [07:57] so plone on zope3 will suck much less? [08:09] zwiki on its own seems reasonably zippy [08:10] zwiki might be zope3 in fact [08:11] and yes, if plone is migrated to zope3, it would be faster [08:12] it would still be zwiki ;) [08:13] deciding on a wiki is hard [08:13] for a long-term project I mean [08:14] I'm guessing you guys chose it for sound reasons :) [08:38] I think half the reason it's slow is because of the wadload of Dynamic Content that's in there by default [08:39] mdz: ping === cenerentola [~enrico@ppp-82-84-143-161.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:06] hello pplx [09:17] jdub: pong [09:17] lamont: what do you mean? [09:18] one thing === lucas_ [~lucas@ca-grenoble-2-38.w80-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:24] hi [09:31] where can I find the sources for ubuntu's fork of debian-installer ? [09:32] lucas_: 'branch' :) [09:32] lucas_: it's all on the archive -> archive.ubuntu.com [09:34] mmh, so this is outdated : http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianInstallerBuild ? [09:35] lucas_: i don't know, but that's nothing to do with ubuntu [09:36] is there a "how to build debian-installer to put it on a custom Ubuntu CD" howto ? :) [09:36] no [09:38] well, where could I find relevant info ? [09:38] jdub: after installing another warty on the laptop... the first warty's grub-entry disappeared... note that the second one has its own boot partition: what should i do? [09:39] cenerentola: best to ask these kinds of questions in #ubuntu === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:41] yes but no-one excetp iz seems to be good at this kind of things [09:42] cenerentola: many of the developers are in #ubuntu [09:42] that's where you should ask user questions === sparkes_ [~sparkes@host217-42-166-29.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gro [~gro@u212-239-167-194.adsl.pi.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:47] someone want to tak bug #3075 ? === Gmail [~Google@gnu-debian.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:52] hey anyone want to add the coolest!!! WYIWYG html editor to ubuntu hoary by making a binary its called nvu from nvu.com another sponsored by linspire project [10:59] gah. [11:10] ?? === sivang [~sivan@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] ?? === shlomil [~shlomi@80.179.66.110.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:48] ?? [11:48] ?? [11:48] ?? [11:50] Gmail : what seems to be the problem ? [11:50] hey anyone want to add the coolest!!! WYIWYG html editor to ubuntu hoary by making a binary its called nvu from nvu.com another sponsored by linspire project [11:50] 1hr ago [11:52] Gmail : you can try and create a package if you like :) [12:01] sivang: i am === bluefoxicy [~bluefox@pcp485126pcs.whtmrs01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:02] lifeless: it's being rewritten upstream [12:03] jdub: its the category it was filed against I was more amused by. [12:03] someone filed it against bazaar. [12:03] yeah [12:03] weird [12:03] just saw that [12:04] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3075 [12:04] fixed [12:19] thanks! === vinsci [~vinsci@dsl-sjkgw2jb1.dial.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gmail [~Google@gnu-debian.user] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:29] the teams page doesn't mention a web team - is there one? === ph_ [~ph@pD9E6B5ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivan [~sivan@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivan is now known as sivang === Keybuk [scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mithrandir [~tfheen@vawad.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] morning Tollef [12:56] Keybuk: 'baz switch' implemented. === uma [~amu@n6-76.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] moind [01:00] hi Keybuk === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-9-10.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux [~lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] hey [01:02] hey Keybuk === uma is now known as amu- === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gmail [~Google@gnu-debian.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:07] I FUND THE BEST SOFTWARE EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [02:07] http://www.molesoftware.com/www/index.php [02:07] it should be in ubuntu if ubuntu is going to be a server distro [02:07] it the coolest and OSS === seb128_ [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-25-65.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gmail [~Google@gnu-debian.user] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === trulux is now known as trulux-away === sivang [~sivan@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Capri [~makolb@217.188.234.107] has joined #ubuntu-devel === x4m [~max@63.228-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bob2 [rob@bob2.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cenerentola [~cenerento@ppp-82-84-143-161.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:28] NO MORE STUPID QUESTION IM A NEW PERSO [03:29] N [03:30] erm, ok === hazmat [~hazmat@81.58.39.114] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:31] bob2: how r u doing? [03:33] i am good thx [03:36] ah...okie dokie === T-Bone [varenet@T-Bone.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Todd_MA_1975 [~todd@h000f6632661b.ne.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Todd_MA_1975 [~todd@h000f6632661b.ne.client2.attbi.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Todd_MA_1975 [~todd@h000f6632661b.ne.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [~sivan@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Todd_MA_1975 [~todd@h000f6632661b.ne.client2.attbi.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:03] Anybody can shoot at me the directory under which the trash files reside? [04:04] I have reason to believe that some files were not deleted from my system, although the trash:// applet seems empty [04:14] ~/.Trash/ ? [04:17] anybody able to login to the wiki? seems authentication stopped working [04:26] I cannot get in either === cenerentola [~cenerento@ppp-82-84-143-161.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:31] mdz: what's the procedure for bugs like 3032 which is now fixed in sid -- request sync or just close the bug? [04:31] that one needs merging [04:31] http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/merge/review/qt-x11-free/ [04:34] ok, and for for, who still isn't up-to-date wrt mail, that means I should do what? Review the patches and upload manually or request sync? [04:40] if there are outstanding ubuntu changes, merge them and upload - if there's none and the package should be reverted to sid, mail/irc me [04:40] http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/merge/README explains what the .dropped and .patch files mean [04:41] basically stuff in .dropped is Debian changes that couldn't be merged [04:41] ok, and we don't care about changelogs and such? [04:41] yeah, try to fix the changelog -- otherwise next time we merge it's even harder [04:41] (so if the changes in code has been merged, no point in dragging the historical changelog patch along) [04:41] no, really please put the changelog back together [04:42] [04:42] is the order we've used [04:42] ok [04:42] other than that, it just looks like you need to fix debian/patches/00list [04:42] and change that _warty.patch and _hoary.patch are roughly equivalent [04:42] ok, but I'm trying to understand the general concept here. :) [04:42] mdz: ECONTEXT [04:43] Mithrandir: we changed qt-x11-free ... we need to catch up with Debian and keep our changes [04:43] basically [04:43] the automagic merge script couldn't quite do that one by itself [04:43] ok [04:48] lamont: got a few more "weird hangs" today in stage2.2 -> courrier === shlomil [~shlomi@80.179.66.110.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Micksa [~mslade@203-217-18-166.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo_ [~egon@suprimo-167.ping.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Micksa [~mslade@203-217-18-166.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === magnon [~magnon@217.8.136.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lucas_ [~lucas@ca-grenoble-2-30.w80-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === T-Bone is now known as T-Gone === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:37] how did I just get a "NEW" for a package LaMont filed a FTBFS on me for? [06:37] automake1.9_1.9.2-1ubuntu1_source.changes is NEW [06:38] vs. #3021 [06:57] mdz: can we import http://freedesktop.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1744 ? [06:57] this is a possible show stopper to package X.org at the moment [06:58] it could break the hell out of ubuntu [06:58] (given that i am correct) === fabbione goes off again [07:08] lamont: mdz: please sync debian bug #269366 to hoary [07:09] fabbione: we have no means to import Bugzilla bugs at the moment [07:09] you can file a bug with a hyperlink === lupettino [cip@host200-76.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === plovs_ [~plovs@62.84.21.44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cenerentola_ [~cenerento@ppp-82-84-142-65.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [~dannyh@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel === plovs [~plovs@62.84.21.44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-224-143-227.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === justdave_ [~dave@24.236.223.222.gha.mi.chartermi.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:44] grepmap.c:136: warning: string length `679' is greater than the length `509' ISO C89 compilers are required to support [08:44] boo [08:44] hiss [08:57] any www.ubuntulinux.org admins awake? wiki dows not allow logging in [08:57] plovs : yes it doesn't :( [08:58] sivang, btw thanks for the sambahowto windows domain stuff (in advance) [08:59] plovs : no problem, I have a freind who is running an NYC IT Based consulting company, I will be using him for that :) [09:00] sivang :) [09:01] please try the wiki now? [09:06] I just set up samba off that tutorial [09:06] nice stuff worked right away [09:06] hornbeck : samba is a way cool project :) [09:06] yee, the wiki is back [09:06] sivang: yes it is [09:06] ok! [09:07] back to work [09:07] wiki is back? Yeeeha! [09:09] anyone want to host the inotify kernel for me? [09:09] It has killed my blog [09:10] people are downloading the crap out of it [09:11] plovs: great bootup howto [09:11] :) [09:12] hornbeck, ask tseng he has lots of mono stuff anyway [09:12] ok, I have to find something [09:12] as of right now it is down, for at least two days, and so is my blog [09:17] hornbeck, how big is it? [09:17] hmmm, don't know [09:17] the size of the regular kernel [09:17] hornbeck, too big to put it in the wiki then :( [09:17] it is the same as the normal i386 kernel cept with inotify built in [09:17] yes, to big [09:18] ask for a folder on canonical [09:18] like tseng and piti [09:18] who would I ask? [09:18] asdfl or mdz [09:18] ok [09:18] i suppose [09:18] or ask louise on our list [09:20] Keybuk: Either I grabbed source for debian, or the binaries weren't known to our katie. don't remember which [09:20] cd debian/autodiff-new && aclocal [09:20] /bin/bash: line 1: aclocal: command not found === lamont giggles and points at emacs21 [09:21] missing build-depend ? [09:21] prolly [09:25] plovs: is there a way to get around the empty sections in ReST [09:25] hornbeck : you created a package for the inotify built kernel? [09:25] yeah [09:25] hornbeck, make them unempty [09:25] it is available on the beagle page [09:26] plovs: I want two headers. One right after the other [09:26] use different markup, just a sec... [09:27] http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/ref/rst/restructuredtext.html#sections [09:27] I fixed it [09:28] https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LearningUbuntuChapterTwo [09:28] look at that, is that a good starting point [09:28] it is from the website [09:30] plovs: where are you storing the pictures for the wiki [09:33] just in the root [09:34] Keybuk: linda is also pissed on i386. [09:34] but only i386, which kinda points at arch:all stuff [09:34] hornbeck, add new content [09:34] ahhh [09:34] ok [09:35] lamont: *sigh* Debian and their allergy to correct build-depends [09:36] Keybuk: I think it's more clue factor [09:37] actually, I think linda may be arch all. [09:38] linda is arch all [09:38] (python) [09:38] mdz: is there a way for me to get a folder to host files for ubuntu? [09:39] hornbeck: large files or small files? [09:39] about 30 megs or so [09:39] a kernel image [09:40] my host is dead because the kernel image has become popular === mjg59 goes back to try one more thing on the Craptop [09:44] mjg59: No luck so far? [09:50] mdz: the kernel image is 14M [09:50] hornbeck: if it's just a one-time thing, I can put it up for you in my home directory [09:51] mdz: I am not sure if I will need to make other files soon [09:51] I will find something [09:52] I am looking at building beagle packages [09:53] hornbeck: is this for inotify? [09:53] mdz: yes [09:53] I have a link to the kernel on the beagle howto page and the kernel is getting downloaded a ton [09:54] hornbeck: give me a URL and I can put it up someplace for you [09:54] I only have it local now [09:54] my host shut me off [09:55] bastards took my blog down to [10:01] Kosai: Haha. No. [10:01] Aww. [10:03] hornbeck, i try to save my pics as Pic... so it easier to find them later [10:03] plovs: ok [10:04] I swear, Lintian is on some serious crack today [10:04] wartylog: grepmap source: changelog-should-mention-nmu [10:04] wartylog: grepmap source: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 0.1.0-1 [10:05] Changelog maintainer != control file maintainer? [10:05] nope, identical *shrug* [10:05] then it's on crack. [10:05] ahh [10:05] stray space on the end of the line in control [10:06] sounds like a bug -- whitespace is not important in rfc822 addresses [10:08] right, dinner time === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-23-196.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:39] Gah. Fuck. Right, that makes no difference. [10:39] It must be something fundamentally wrong in the ACPI implementation, but I have no idea what. === nictuku [nictuku@nictuku.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:39] hi [10:40] I dont understand. was #1608 fixed in Warty final? [10:42] I had problems with that. [10:43] nictuku: it was fixed, and then unfortunately un-fixed [10:43] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2773 [10:43] :) [10:57] hornbeck: the patch will go into hoary in the near future anyway === Kyaneos [~kyaneos@80-28-219-25.adsl.nuria.telefonica-data.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-224-143-227.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:01] hi === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:03] mdz: that is hoary though [11:03] for people to use beagle now they need inotify [11:04] Hello. There's some interest in the doc group to try out some arch. I still haven't clear how repositories work in arch, but would it be possible to have an arch playground we could use to practice a bit with it before we start doing community editing of big documents? [11:05] arch would be good for the Learning Ubuntu book [11:05] for the docbook part of it === nictuku [nictuku@nictuku.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] hornbeck: I don't follow [11:06] hornbeck: what is hoary? [11:07] mdz: you said that inotify was going into Hoary [11:07] mdz: I was saying yes, but it was going in Hoary and not Warty [11:07] mdz: I had that package so people could use beagle now with Warty [11:08] hornbeck: your package is not going into warty, either [11:09] mdz: I know, but I was hosting so people could use it [11:09] hmm, I think something is missing here [11:09] hornbeck: they could also use the hoary package, which we host [11:09] mdz: ok [11:10] mdz: I was just responding to your comment to me above :-) [11:10] for now, at least. at some point in the future, the hoary kernel may no longer be installable on warty [11:10] Ok. No answer about my arch question. Could someone please tell me where to ask instead? [11:10] mdz: I was just trying to help people with using beagle [11:10] enrico: the beauty of arch is that it's decentralized. anyone who wants to try it out can set it up on their own [11:11] mdz: yes, but how does it work when you want to put the results together? [11:11] mdz: I get a ton of email everyday about the beagle howto and I know they all used the kernel I was hosting [11:11] enrico: it works [11:11] mdz: how? [11:11] mdz: I was just looking for a new place to host it and I was told to as you [11:11] enrico: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnu-arch/tutorial/arch.html [11:11] enrico: http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-arch-users/2003-09/msg00034.html [11:11] mdz: I mean, do you need a central repository somewhere, or you do some peer-to-peer swap of patches, or [11:12] enrico: those are two good starting points fo rarch [11:12] for arch [11:12] mdz: ok. Besides tutorials, you mean that if we want to have a playground somewhere we have to set it up in some machine of ours? [11:12] enrico: an arch archive is just a directory tree, there is nothing to set up [11:13] you just make it available via http [11:13] And how do you write in it? DaV? [11:13] that is one option, yes [11:13] mdz: I think he was wanting something within the ubuntu servers [11:13] enrico: to answer your question, #arch is the place to ask general questions about arch [11:14] hornbeck: I know, and I am explaining that it is not necessary. this is a fundamental difference between arch and (e.g.) CVS which is not obvious at first [11:14] mdz: ok [11:15] mdz: so, we don't need any central place to do group work on something [11:15] mdz: it's supposed to just work [11:15] enrico: I am looking at hosting right now [11:15] enrico: if need be I will set up a host for it all [11:16] hornbeck: you mean, a private hosting for yourself? [11:16] enrico: yes, but i could set up the central place for the doc team [11:16] if it is needed [11:16] According to the mail mdz just posted a link to, people pull changes from each other's trees [11:17] Which would mean that people should have a tree available via http [11:17] right [11:17] you could decide that one of them is the "official" mainline [11:17] I guess I will have to read on that [11:17]