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kapputuogra, I'm serious12:00
kapputulet me know if you need any help12:00
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ograkapputu: i'll do, but i'm myself not used to moinmoin wiki markup...best way to learn is to use ;)12:00
kapputuic12:01
LinuxJonesIt is Halloween here tonight and I havn't had 1 kid in 2 hours wth ?12:01
HWolfogra, can you help me a bit? I *still* Have to make my conn go up manually each time I reboot.12:01
ograkapputu: now the marillat link is like before12:01
kapputuyep12:01
ograLinuxJones: i'd come over but....12:02
kapputuhow do I install wmv, rpm, mpg, mp3 plugins for firefox ?12:02
ograHWolf: ?12:02
kapputudoes rhythmbox provide any plugins12:02
kapputuI normally use mplayer plugins12:02
LinuxJonesogra, heh12:03
HWolfIf I don't type 'sudo route add default ppp0' I don't have internet. That, it's slow, and it downs if I use thunderbird. :-S12:03
ogratoresbe: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo12:03
LinuxJonesogra, I would give you 50 bags of potato chips since I apparently will be left with them all :P12:03
ograHWolf: its in /etc/ppp anywhere, i dig it up ....12:04
ograLinuxJones: would go fine with the 1999 crianza im drinking right now ;)12:05
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LinuxJonesogra, heh I am drinking some Alexander Keith's India Pale Ale mmmmm12:05
tuxxDoesn't Ubuntu support USB 2.0 ? My external drive transfers at about USB 1.1 after installation of Ubuntu :-(12:05
ograslurp12:06
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restrex<LinuxJones>12:06
restrexsorry man, hehe, noiw i am in ubuntu12:06
restrex:)12:06
restrexyou said me12:06
restrexppoeconfig?12:06
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restrexwhere can i fin it?12:06
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restrex:)12:07
ograHWolf: whats in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ ?12:07
dtraddogra: Hi!!!12:07
ograhi12:07
ograreinstalled ?12:07
restrex<LinuxJones>12:07
dtraddogra: I'm talking to you from Gaim's IRC client!12:07
ograyay12:07
restrexi have found EnterNet for Linux12:07
dtraddogra: Yep, I reinstalled.12:07
LinuxJonesomg I had my 1st Trick or Treater so I gave her 5 bags of chips and 5 candy bars12:08
HWolfogra:12:08
credmpoh yea... happy halloween everyone!12:08
HWolf4 files:12:08
HWolf0000usepeerdns  0clampmss  0dns-up  fetchmail  postfix12:08
dtraddogra: Thanks for everything, it's working perfectly now,12:08
LinuxJonesrestrex, sorry my bad pppoeconf12:08
restrexhihihi, no, thanx, jiji12:09
restrex:P12:09
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restrex<LinuxJones>   where can i find pppoeconf on ubuntu? or i have to download it12:10
restrex? :S :)12:10
kapputuogra, you are making a lot of people stick to Ubuntu12:11
LinuxJonesrestrex, it is available for download12:11
kapputugreat work !12:11
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restrexok thanks LinuxJones12:11
restrex:)12:11
HWolfKapputu, that's exactly right.12:11
ograHWolf: kapputu thats my mission ;)12:12
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dtraddogra: Well you're succeeding in your mission, I just erased my Fedora partition and changed to Ubuntu12:12
LinuxJonesrestrex, it might be installed as default12:12
kappututhanks to you guys, I have ubuntus on all 3 machines12:13
RiverI'm trying to install it on a hard RAID1 and it just won't boot from RAID... I don't think my hardware is at fault - it seems to be setup and working fine12:13
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ogradtradd: hooray12:13
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Riverboots fine when I install on priIDE but then the new install can't seem to startx on an s3 card12:14
ograRiver: has the controller a linux driver ? what kind of raid ?12:14
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dtraddogra: Thank you for your help12:15
kapputuogra, mplayer gave me some problems after I installed it12:15
kapputuI think i'll compile it from source12:15
kapputuhas worked for me always12:15
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ograkapputu: what kind ?12:16
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ograkapputu: should work12:16
kapputuif I copy the codecs from mplayer site to /usr/local/lib/codecs would it overwrite w32codecs ?12:16
kapputusomething to do with AMD 6412:16
LinuxJonesBrianB04, just ask :)12:16
BrianB04Okay, sound doesn't work...despite it finding the card...12:17
topylikapputu: i need to build my own mplayer too one day (i have a matrox card, i guess i might as well make use of it)12:17
ograkapputu: recompile wont help ;)12:17
kapputuhmm I'll try still12:17
toresbeArgh!12:17
ograkapputu: w_32_ is not amd_64_12:17
kapputuI don't get u12:17
toresbeWHY isn't Ubuntu running on X.org? It seems pretty good with regard to not being afraid to run new stuff!12:17
ograkapputu: w32 is for 32bit arch you got a 64 bit arch12:18
kapputuno I don12:18
kapputudont12:18
BrianB04Actually, maybe it's not finding the card...hrmmmm12:18
kapputuAMD 700Mhz is not 64 bit12:18
|trey|toresbe, its not that its afraid, its that Xorg isn't different enough yet... the goal is modularity... Xorg is not modular at this time...12:18
LinuxJonesBrianB04, try running gstreamer-properties12:19
kapputuso you guys develop everything in C ?12:19
kapputuor is there any other language used ?12:19
|trey|kapputu, not everything is in C... but most, sure...12:19
kapputu I want to contribute something12:19
ograkapputu: you just talked about amd64 probs with w32 codecs12:19
BrianB04Then what LinuxJones12:19
kapputu1 sec ogra, I'm installing some stuff12:20
kapputuafter that I'll install mplayer12:20
ograkapputu: dont use /usr/local if you dont need to12:20
kapputuand tell you what the problem is12:20
fscunbuntu is a big python fan, which is cool12:20
toresbe|trey|: I see. Thanks for enlightening me :)12:20
|trey|fsc, unbuntu?12:20
fsc|trey|, yeah12:21
|trey|fsc, Hoary will have a new X server Soon (tm)  8)12:21
dtraddogra: It's a nice distro indeed. Under Fedora I had to write a script to get my USB Flash memory working. Ubuntu just detected it. Plug and Play12:21
dtraddogra: and not plug and pray12:21
|trey|fsc, only one n  ;)12:21
fsctrey: it's called a typo12:21
|trey|fsc, ...12:21
BrianB04Hmmm it's failing...and I don't know what kinda card is in this to know what to look for to load12:22
kapputuBrianB04, type lspci -n12:22
kapputuand see if you have a Multimedia Audio Controller12:22
restrex<kapputu>12:22
restrex:(12:22
kapputurestrex,  ??12:23
restrexi can't find the internet12:23
restrexconnection12:23
fscso is Hoary going to be experimental.  I thought there was a 6 mos. release schedule12:23
restrex:(12:23
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BrianB04Yea, I see it listed in there12:23
kapputurestrex, I have absolutely no experience with dialup connections12:23
kapputuwhat does it say after the colon ?12:23
|trey|fsc, Hoary is basically like the devel release... it can be used, but at your own risk...12:24
BrianB04Which colon?12:24
|trey|You can use packages individually though...12:24
kapputuMultimedia Audio Controller:12:24
fschm...i'm really happy with what I got now.  The best desktop linux i've ever had12:24
ogra|trey|: NO12:24
BrianB04AC'97 Intel...not in that order;)12:24
fscbut the dev release is tempting12:25
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kapputu|trey|, you have a client12:25
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|trey|ogra, a dev instucted that yesturday...12:25
LinuxJonesfsc, it is not very stable :P12:25
Kirschhey, is there anyone here who is having a problem with Ubuntu on laptop, when shutting it giving u issues coming back to X?12:25
ogra|trey|: nobody can support that, it can break a lot...never mix hoary/warty and dont advise to12:25
Kirschi think i just made a fix12:25
fscLinuxJones, I plan on waiting a while anyway.  I thought you couldn't even get Hoary yet?12:25
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|trey|ogra, someone pointed at xchat... check log and talk to them ...12:25
fscKirsch, I run on a laptop and have no problems12:25
LinuxJonesfsc, it was made available like 2 days ago but needs alot of work12:26
ogra|trey|: jdub advised the opposite ! switch completely is ok but unstable12:26
Kirschwhen closing the lid12:26
BrianB04"Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)"12:26
djzorroHello guys. Anyone know if there's a ready made .deb for pearpc for Ubuntu?12:26
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Kirschshutting it = closing it (lid)12:26
restrex<kapputu>  i have not dialup connection :( i hace adsl 1 mb conenection12:26
restrex:S12:26
fscLinuxJones, I'll wait at least a couple months.  I'm happy with what I have now12:26
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kapputuogra, you want to know about the error I get when I try to start gmplayer ?12:26
BrianB04So it sees it...12:26
LinuxJonesfsc, my motto is if it ain't broken don't fix it :)12:26
ograkapputu: k12:27
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kapputushould I post here ?12:27
[Phaedrus] Is anyone here from India or anywhere near India?12:27
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ograkapputu: not----> pm12:27
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|trey|djzorro, been looking at that... no ROM's though  :(12:27
fscLinuxJones, I've been running Linux off and on on the desktop for the last 7 years...even professionaly developing for it, but Ubuntu is the first linux desktop I've been very happy with12:27
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kapputuhmm I see what the problem i12:27
altanhi guys, I'm having some trouble burning CDs with nautilus-cd-burner, I did it successfully two days ago but I lost the URL which showed me how to do it. It involved changing the permission on a /var and/or /dev file, else it won't write even as root12:27
kapputuis12:27
kapputuI installed mplayer-custom12:27
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kapputuit says it was compiled for MMX MMX2 SSE SSE212:28
kapputubut mine is an AMD12:28
ograkapputu: why not mplayer-58612:28
dieg1is there a bootsplash howto?12:28
kapputuAMD k7512:28
[Phaedrus] kapputu: that shouldnt be a problem...12:28
[Phaedrus] what is it though?12:28
LinuxJonesfsc, I am very impressed as well. I was a Debian guy for 4 years until I checked this out and I am not going back :)12:28
[Phaedrus] AMD athlon?12:28
|trey|kapputu, mplayer-k6 (supports k7 too)12:28
altanI'd rather not download k3b or any other tool since I was able to do it the other day, I just forgot how, and the link was in a very small and obscure thread that I wasn't able to uncover by searching12:28
jpvcxBrianB04: What error message do you get when you try to play a sound file?12:29
kapputuyeah Athlon12:29
[Phaedrus] or the ancient k6's12:29
fscLinuxJones, yeah...been through most of them...debian, gentoo, slack, mandrake, redhat a long time ago12:29
|trey|The new mplayer rules  8)12:29
kapputumplayer-k6 complains of broken dependencies12:29
ograkapputu: what packages ?12:29
|trey|kapputu, ahh... mine is working in hoary  :(12:29
altancan anyone help? I found the instructions to do it on a Bugzilla page, but I'm almost 100% certain it was on a page unrelated to Ubuntu12:29
topylidieg1: http://www.bootsplash.org/12:30
kapputu|trey|, you use hoary ?12:30
dieg1topyli: thanks i suppose12:30
kapputulibartsc0, libggi2, libungif4g12:30
topylidieg1: i haven't done that myself, but i remembered there's a site :)12:30
kappututhe latest versions of these packages are installed but it needs older ones12:30
|trey|kapputu, *nods*12:31
ograkapputu: shouldnt be12:31
Phr0stByteI only see an mplayer-custom12:31
LinuxJonesaltan, what error is coming up ?12:31
Phr0stByteare there more?12:31
dieg1topyli: i have to recompile my kernel? :(12:31
kapputuhi topyli, web12:31
altanLJ: Reload blank media12:31
topylidieg1: yes, in debian/ubuntu12:31
altanInsert blank CD, something along the liens of that12:31
topylikapputu: hola12:32
ograkapputu: tried mplayer-k712:32
ogra?12:32
dieg1topyli: is there a way to start configuring my new kernel exactly like mine is now?12:32
Phr0stByteogra: i only see an mplayer-custom12:32
Phr0stByteogra: where are the others?12:32
kapputumplayer-k7 depends mplayer-k612:32
LinuxJonesaltan, are you sure the media is blank ?12:33
ograkapputu: oh12:33
altanLinuxJones: Yes.12:33
ograPhr0stByte: on mine they are there12:33
Phr0stByteogra: is there an athlon package?12:33
Kirschhey guys, i have an evo n800c and there are 6 multimedia keys total, but xev only see's 3 of them, is there a way i can detect the other 6 keys?12:33
topylidieg1: yes, there's an option to load a config file from /boot or wherever it's stored, and start from there. sorry, i haven't compiled a kernel in years :)12:33
altanI have tried with other blank media, no go12:33
ograPhr0stByte: the -k712:33
ograPhr0stByte: amd64 ????12:33
usualhas anyone seen any grub or bootsplash screen themes for ubuntu12:33
dieg1topyli: well i suppose i could just cp it to .config, cool12:33
ograPhr0stByte: nope12:33
topylidieg1: yes, it's in /boot12:33
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topylidieg1: no, you use an option like make oldconfig or something. rtfm :)12:34
Phr0stByteogra: they arent Ubuntu packages?12:34
dieg1topyli: why would it matter?12:34
topylidieg1: dunno. it's The Way It Is Done =)12:34
ograPhr0stByte: nope, from marillat: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats see the bottom12:35
dieg1topyli: well I Like To Know Why =)12:35
dieg1hehe12:35
LinuxJonesaltan, try burning again then get the exact error and do a search on www.google.com/linux you will probably get a ton of ways to work around it. Off the top of my head I don't know what it could be :(12:35
dieg1if i'm on the same kernel version i don't see why it would make a difference12:35
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topylidieg1: all this is on a need-to-know basis you understand :)12:35
altanLJ, done that, and UbuntuForums12:35
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kapputuwb |trey|12:36
altanI think I got it on Google the other day but it was almost by accident, it was on the 8th page of results among a bunch of czech pages or something12:36
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amri hate my computer.12:36
amri get sound working, usb fails12:36
amrusb fails,12:36
amrnetworking config thingy fails12:36
diegoi'm tired of this n00b that keeps using my nick :(12:37
|trey|kapputu, gratzi  :)12:37
amrFINE JUST IGNORE ME ILL RM -RF *12:37
amr:'(12:37
kapputuogra, BrianB04 has volume controls working but no sound12:37
|trey|amr, yup, cuz thats will make us care more...12:37
LinuxJonesamr, don't be so rude12:37
restrexare there a problem configuring a web server with a proxy internet connection??12:37
ograBrianB04: unmuted everything ?12:37
BrianB04ogra, Yep yep12:38
amris it worth me doing a reinstall?12:38
|trey|I mean with out you here, it would just worry us so much that you made your computer useless...12:38
amrive just installed ubuntu this minute12:38
ograBrianB04: hmm12:38
[Phaedrus] has anybody tried using xcompmgr12:38
kapputuwhat's that used for [Phaedrus]  ?12:38
kapputubtw [Phaedrus]  ltnc12:39
LinuxJonesamr, if you have a problem then ask don't just join the IRC Channel and start whining about it12:39
[Phaedrus] X enhancements12:39
|trey|kapputu, afaik, composition in xorg12:39
restrex<kapputu> are there a problem configuring a web server with a proxy internet connection??12:39
[Phaedrus] ltnc?12:39
amr:'(12:39
LinuxJonesamr, jsut tell us what is wrong12:39
ogra|Pahe: no x.org yet12:39
kapputulong time no c12:39
[Phaedrus] ah:)12:39
amrI got alsa working just now, now when i plug a usb drive in it just ignores it like nothings there, nothing shows in fstab12:39
BrianB04I didn't even notice the lack of sound until I realized the Gaim should be making noise, and it's not.12:40
[Phaedrus] nice to see you too man..12:40
amrbefore I rebooted that had worked 100%12:40
kapputuhaven't configured it yet restrex12:40
[Phaedrus] ogra, are you talking to me?12:40
restrexok :)12:40
ograyep12:40
[Phaedrus] i think xcompmgr works with Xfree8612:40
amrand now when i try to change my network settings by going, Computer -> System Configuration -> Network12:40
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diegoamr: nothing should show up in fstab should it?12:40
kapputuwelcome back usual12:40
kapputuas usual12:40
ogra[Phaedrus] : that would be news to me ;)12:40
|trey|composition is still labelled "experimental" though, thus not included with most distro's  :(12:40
kapputu;-)12:40
[Phaedrus] thanks kapputu12:40
usualkapputu, thanks :)12:40
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amrdiego, not sure :S12:40
topylidiego: the ubuntu team has some evil plan to make something cooler than a bootsplash for hoary, but no-one seems to know what it is exactly :)12:40
|trey|[Phaedrus] , pretty sure it doesn't  :/12:40
[Phaedrus] ogra: i distinctly remember seeing a screenshot with it applied12:45
[Phaedrus] all shadows and stuff12:45
|trey|[Phaedrus] , its one of the selling points for Xorg, why would a community that wants you to use Xorg make something that makes the selling point obsolete?12:45
diegotopyli: hehe...leet. gensplash (gentoo) seems to be doing some good but mine doesn't kick in as soon as i'd like it to12:45
ogra[Phaedrus] : in xfree ? never12:45
[Phaedrus] hmm... maybe i was wrong... let me check again12:45
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diegotopyli: (on my other box)12:45
[Phaedrus] how much do they charge for X.org anyways?12:45
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diego[Phaedrus] : come again12:45
|trey|[Phaedrus] , entirely open and free...12:45
amrI'm off to reinstall, I'll see you shortly12:45
[Phaedrus] At present, only xcompmgr has had a formal release. Grab the newest tarball here http://freedesktop.org/~xapps/release/xcompmgr-1.1.tar.gz12:45
amr=(12:45
topylidiego: yeah, i don't know. they're talking about usplash (meaning it's in user space). but i really don't know12:45
[Phaedrus] Alright, so why cant we make Xcompmgr work for XFree again?12:45
|trey|[Phaedrus] , www.x.org and www.freedesktop.org12:45
[Phaedrus] so, that's not going to work for Xfree eh?12:45
ogra[Phaedrus] : design prob, xfree wont work with compmgr12:45
jdub[Phaedrus] : because it doesn't have the composite extension12:45
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[Phaedrus] hmm12:45
[Phaedrus] i was reading on it and they are saying X.org will be available for free with distributions starting next month12:45
[Phaedrus] do you think they'll make it in time?12:45
[Phaedrus] or is it going to be the open source rule again "it'll be released when it is done"12:45
topyli[Phaedrus] : why are you talking like x.org is not free now?12:45
ogra[Phaedrus] : its definately in hoary in april12:45
[Phaedrus] topyli: I am really confused now. So why are we still running XFREE?12:45
jdub[Phaedrus] : see the FAQ12:45
|trey|[Phaedrus] , wierd... the first was Fedora Core 2 afaik...12:45
|trey|that was almost 6 months ago though...12:45
[Phaedrus] do you have a link jdub12:45
topyli[Phaedrus] : because the ubuntu folks thought it's not ready yet12:45
|trey|[Phaedrus] , *cough* topic *cough*12:46
[Phaedrus] I havent been keeping up with the linux side of things for a while now |trey|12:46
[Phaedrus] oops... sorry12:46
restrexhow can i enter to the console on ubuntu?12:46
[Phaedrus] okay, so let's say i install ubuntu. Is it possible to upgrade to X.org manually?12:47
kapputudoes rhythmbox support mp3 ?12:47
diego[Phaedrus] : nothing is possible.12:47
topylirestrex: ctrl-alt-F2. back to X: ctrl-alt-F7. you have more consoles in between12:47
[Phaedrus] possible or impossible? :)12:47
restrexok thanks topyli :)12:47
LinuxJonesrestrex, Applications >> System Tools >> Terminal12:48
|trey|[Phaedrus] , not yet... they are working on it for Hoary  [yellface] 12:48
diego[Phaedrus] : i imagine it wouldn't be fun but definitely possible12:48
[Phaedrus] When the CDs ship out, will they be the current release.. or Hoary?12:48
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|trey|[Phaedrus] , they will be warty...12:48
[Phaedrus] alright12:48
[Phaedrus] i'm done for questions for today :)12:48
[Phaedrus] thanks |trey|12:48
|trey|[Phaedrus] , yw  :)12:48
[Phaedrus] and you too diego12:48
topyli[Phaedrus] : sshhh... hoary is not a real entity yet :)12:48
[Phaedrus] haha12:49
diegoi contributed nothing. take back your thanks12:49
|trey|topyli, I disagree  ^-^12:49
[Phaedrus] i am going to resist asking why, topyli12:49
netmonkcan someone please tell me how to add fonts in ubuntu12:49
|trey|topyli, or else, I really wanna know where I got my current package set...12:50
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topyli[Phaedrus] : ok, it's real enough for me to use, but it's not supposed to be the default ubuntu for users :)12:50
restrex<LinuxJones>12:50
restrexufff12:50
restrex:P12:50
restrexi don't know how to logout12:50
restrex:P12:50
restrexjejeje12:50
restrex:P12:50
restrexwell12:50
topylirestrex: you're trapped!12:50
diegorestrex: quit flooding12:50
jpvcxkapputu:if you install gstreamer0.8-mad then it will support it/12:50
restrexnow i'm right back12:50
restrexjiji12:50
|trey|restrex, stop flooding. enter is not a good substitute for grammer...12:50
topylirestrex: you're drunk or something12:51
kapputuand I use rhythmbox ?12:51
[Phaedrus] fair enough topyli... i assume you are part of the development team12:51
sidneyi found that my LANG variable isn't set to en_US so how can I set it to en_US on startup or where it always uses it?12:51
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restrexm, no, sorry, the people always critics me that, but i'm not a bad person, don't believe that, well, i'm writing decently now, jijiji, :P12:52
|trey|kapputu, Rhythmbox is nice... xmms can play mplayer stuff... via xmms-xmmplayer12:52
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diegokapputu: hehe i read "bear"...so f--ked up12:52
topyli[Phaedrus] : no. i'm an erstwhile debian unstable user :)12:52
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kapputunot able to add mp3s to my library12:52
|trey|topyli, afaict I am technically using Debian Sid right now  :)12:52
|trey|3 years of it either way though  :)12:52
=== topyli has absinth, and wishes kapputu good luck
cK-mazEhey can anyone assist with getting an ati x800 running on amd6412:53
kapputuwhat's absinth ?12:53
restrex<LinuxJones>  how can i log in as root in the console? :)12:53
[Phaedrus] very daring topyli12:53
|trey|kapputu, you need gstreamer0.8-plugins-mad from universe.12:53
HWolfA very weird liquer.12:53
=== sysop wants some absinth from topyli!! :-)
topyli[Phaedrus] : hoary and absinth? :)12:53
jdubgstreamer0.8-mad12:53
LinuxJonesrestrex, the root account is locked yo need to sudo -s then type your user's password12:53
[Phaedrus] there was a time when I had freebsd running and I was very daring with the unstable version of 5.0... after putting up with errors, i think i learnt to stick to stable releases :)12:53
|trey|jdub, yeah, my bad, thanks  :)12:53
[Phaedrus] the other one is called absinth? :)12:54
topylikapputu: ok, absinth is an east european, very healthy and strong drink12:54
sysoptopyli: healthy?12:54
kapputuhealthy ??12:54
|trey|absinth = almost as bad as everclear...12:54
topylisysop: it's the MEDICINE12:54
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HWolfogre: around?12:55
=== kapputu stopped active drinking about an year back
sysoptopyli: ahh yeah...I forgot... ;-)12:55
kapputuHWolf, it's ogra12:55
jbroome_kapputu: now you do passive drinking?12:55
kapputuyeah12:55
|trey|kapputu, don't really drink at all due to Alcohol poisoning when I was young  :(12:55
kapputugood for you |trey|12:55
ograHWolf: got 7 dcc's open currently...wait12:55
topylikapputu: just smell my breath if you like :)12:56
|trey|I smote poke regularly though  8)12:56
|trey|shh though  ;)12:56
HWolf*blush*12:56
kapputuactually I drank a whole bottle of wine about a month back12:56
kapputuwas good till 3/4th12:56
kapputuand should have stopped there12:56
kapputudrank the whole thing and threw up12:56
kapputudamn !!12:56
HWolfI got myself a bit of 40% last night, at once. :-) (fraterneties are cool)12:56
cK-mazEso is there anyway to get my ati x800 running w/ amd64 bit processor?12:56
|trey|kapputu, I'll drink the odd beer... I have to restrain myself though, so I just don't do things that make me sick etc...12:57
restrex<LinuxJones> i put sudo -s   but after i can't follow writing, i can't write nothing :S12:57
kapputuyeah same thing |trey|12:57
LinuxJoneskapputu, that sounds like familiar theme of mine from 20 years ago :)12:57
kappututhe odd beer keeps me healthy12:57
topylikapputu: this bottle of absinth has lasted more than a week and there's still about a fifth left. you don't "drink a bottle of absinth" or something like that :)12:57
diegowell bye bye, thanks for the advice topyli12:57
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|trey|kapputu, the odd joint keeps me sane  8)12:57
kapputuI have thrown up only twice in all my years of drinking12:57
kappututhat's about six years12:57
sidneyso how about it??? how can I permanatly set the LANG variable?12:58
kapputuhmm back then I used to take pride in being steady after a few pegs of rum :-(12:58
topyli|trey|: it's way saner than drinking12:58
restrex<LinuxJones> i put sudo -s   but after i can't follow writing, i can't write nothing :S :/12:58
LinuxJonesrestrex, you have to add YOUR password after sudo -s and press enter12:58
|trey|kapputu, about 40 or so when I had alk poisoning... 20 times when I drank 11 beers once... 1 when I drank 7 beers once, but I was drunk the next day too...12:58
restrexohhhhh12:58
restrex:P12:58
restrex:D12:58
LinuxJones:)12:58
|trey|topyli, I tend to do a lot of whatever I am doing... that leads to bad things with most things  :(12:59
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kapputuI took an exam and top-scored after drinking from 9pm to 2am12:59
LinuxJones|trey|, sounds like your alergic to alcohol12:59
kappututhe subject was programming-languages, so it was no big deal12:59
kapputubut I like it now with the odd beer12:59
|trey|LinuxJones, all drugs are a poison, thats why they have that effect...01:00
altanaggh, I can't fix this nautilus-cd-burner problem, it's going to suck if I have to reboot with Knoppix to burn a CD01:00
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LinuxJones|trey|, getting alcohol poisoning off of 7 beer is not normal01:00
|trey|LinuxJones, I just puked once due to being dizzy :/01:01
altan|trey|, that's ridiculous01:01
LinuxJones|trey|, that's not alcohol poisoning you just can't handle you booze :)01:01
toresbeHow the heck do I install mplayer?01:01
|trey|LinuxJones, Alcohol poisoning, I was 13 almost 14, and drank most of 2 bottles of Vodka to myself...01:01
altandrugs != poison. hell, to a certain extent, everything is poison - including water01:01
HWolftoresbe: It's already installed01:01
LinuxJones|trey|, so you ended up in the hospital ?01:02
|trey|LinuxJones, nope... parents wouldn't take me  :(01:02
topyli|trey|: too much is always too much. but nice is nice. these things are hard :)01:02
|trey|Said I was breathing funny and stopped breathing at one point... guess they didn't see a need though  :/01:02
|trey|topyli, true... I just prefer to avoid alcohol where possible now though  ;)01:03
kapputuprobably they were still angry that you had finished the  vodka ?01:03
altan|trey|, sorry dude but your parents sucked at handling that situation, but you probably know that :/01:03
kapputuj/k01:03
LinuxJones|trey|,  well you should sue you parents or something for negligence cause you can die from alcohol poisoning :)01:03
usualif an application wants root to run the app, and prompts you for a password in gnome, what do you do01:03
|trey|yeah... not much I could do about it though... I was too busy watching myself puke  :o01:03
HWolfgive in the pass?01:03
usualfor root?01:03
LinuxJones|trey|,  you go into a coma and your lips turn blue, if not treated you will die01:03
|trey|LinuxJones, they said my lips were turning blue... dunno bout coma... I think I would know?  :/01:04
ograusual: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo01:04
usualty01:04
|trey|They just thought I had drank too much though... didn't know just how much I had drank  :/01:05
LinuxJones|trey|,  well you are very lucky ;)01:05
|trey|LinuxJones, yes... I have OD'ed a total of 2 other times too... scary  :(01:05
kapputuogra, you were right.. compiling src dint work with mplayer01:05
kapputuhow do I fix this ?01:05
|trey|Both other times, people with me were too scared to take me to hospital  :(01:06
topyli|trey|: a youngster tends to overdo stuff. we're big guys/girls now and can enjoy ourselves :)01:06
|trey|topyli, :)01:06
LinuxJones|trey|,  stick to the pot, you can only overdose on chocolate and potato chips :)01:06
topylihehe01:06
kapputuI was taught to restrict myself to two drinks01:06
|trey|topyli, plus the cost effectiveness is much better when you need less  :)01:06
restrexUBUNTU ROCKS!!1!01:06
|trey|LinuxJones, haha01:06
restrex:D01:06
|trey|plus icecream  :)01:06
ograkapputu: you should take the marillat package, make sure you got testing in yur sources list, not unstable01:06
kapputuso I always tend to enjoy my drinks rather than getting myself drunk01:06
|trey|Starburst Icecream = addicting  :o01:06
restrexprimera vez que me siento tan feliz con un sistema operatico !!!01:07
restrex:D01:07
HWolfDAMN; Why does my dns go down at random... :-S01:07
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topylirestrex: ah, nice reminder -- this is #ubuntu :)01:07
|trey|HWolf, kick it, show it who's boss  8)01:07
kapputuand I install mplayer-custom or k6 ?01:07
LinuxJonesHWolf, does it take really long to reach some websites ?01:07
|trey|HWolf, heh... do the logs say anything?01:07
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kapputucan some give me the ubuntu mailing list link to disabling IPv6 ?01:08
|trey|kapputu, I'd install k6, but I dunno really what custom means  :(01:08
kapputuwb tux01:08
tuxxEvening.01:08
HWolfLinuxJones, I just don't get there if I type in an url, It's like watching hdtv over an analog line when typing in an IP01:08
tuxxI seem help with the automatic media mounter in 4.10. Anyone up for grabs?01:08
tuxxseem/seek01:08
HWolf|trey| I have no idea. It dies on me, it doesn't come up automaticly, and I'm clueless01:08
tuxxkapputu thanks :)01:08
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kapputuogra, problem was with marillat unstable01:09
|trey|HWolf, thats not helpful  :(01:09
ograkapputu: unstable is WRONG01:09
|trey|kapputu, Hoary has mplayer packages... these are what I would recommend...01:09
kapputu|trey|, what's the diff in Hoary01:09
ograkapputu: take testing01:09
topylituxx: describe the problem, someone will be in the know i'm sure01:09
tuxxkapputu problems with mplayer or?01:09
kapputuI have an extra box I can test01:09
usualok, i just changed the gnome menu to use gksudo instead of gksu01:09
|trey|kapputu, right now, mplayer got in... and just newer packages everywhere...01:09
usualgood to go01:09
kapputuogra, thanks, mplayer works now01:10
restrexbye kapputu, LinuxJones, topuli, thanks for all, linix rulessssss :D linux kick asses, linux rocks heavy metal!!!! :D:D:D01:10
restrexbye guys01:10
kapputuby restrex,01:10
kapputuhappy ubunting01:10
LinuxJonesrestrex, cya01:10
restrex:)01:10
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tuxxtopyli okay if I plugin an unknown device the speed transfer to my usbdrive is USB 1.1. Now if I add to my fstab and manually mount it the speed is USB2. I like the automount but how do I make it USB2 ?01:10
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kapputuwb tck01:10
HWolfLinuxJones, Adding some different DNS server helped, but now it is *very* slow01:10
|trey|kapputu, just coined a phrase  8)01:10
topyliubunting. i like that01:11
tck:)01:11
LinuxJonesHWolf, you have the same problem as I did, you need to disable the ipv6 support01:11
tuxxyeah that's a oneliner. Someone write it down :)01:11
tckwe are ubuntors :)01:11
tuxxlol01:11
|trey|HWolf, you're still not *actually* telling us whats wrong though, and I don't have a DNS on this server to see where to look for whats wrong  :(01:11
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kapputucool tck01:11
HWolfLinuxJones, can you tell me how?01:12
kapputuhow about this, I named my three machines, laputu, deskutu and servutu01:12
topylituxx: i have no idea, i don't have a single usb device in the house. i'm sure someone knows though :)01:12
kapputu:-)01:12
LinuxJonesHWolf, i can't remember the file that you have to edit give me a sec to find it01:12
tuxxtopyli I'll keep the question open then :-) it could be a bigger problem but I'd like to get it fixed though :)01:12
topylikapputu: brilliant! i only have marvin and moses :)01:12
kapputuubuntu has had some effect on my computing01:12
topylikapputu: is it a very humanizing effect?01:13
LinuxJonesHWolf, >> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/003005.html01:13
HWolfDNS thing seems solved. :-)01:13
|trey|HWolf, and I still don't know what was wrong  :(01:13
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LinuxJonesHWolf, that was quick :)01:14
kapputuyep01:14
kapputuwhy wouldnt it ? I went to windows after a week and got infected by a blaster in 10 mins01:14
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|trey|kapputu, thats a record  8)01:14
kappututhanx windows for keeping me away from you ..01:14
|trey|kapputu, its like a message from god  ;)01:14
topylikapputu: yes, it's inhuman -- it's the borg :)01:14
kapputuwell to tell you the truth, though I was reading a lot about Ubuntu I was going to install Mandrake01:15
kapputuand then I was lazy to download and burn 3 cds01:15
HWolfLinuxJones - Forced it to use the DNS of my provider, in stead of fumbling.01:15
kapputuso I decided to just burn Ubuntu01:15
kapputuand man did I make a great decision !!01:16
[Phaedrus] "X.Org 6.8 IS STABLE if you don't activate the experimental XComposite extension." -- That's funny01:16
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topylikapputu: you saved natural resources too, by burning just 1 cd :)01:16
kappututrue01:16
|trey|kapputu, eh... imo, you can say Mandrake have more capable config tools... it might be as fast... but it appears to aim to be Windows... I want something that aims to be for me...01:16
topylimandrake is cool though01:16
kapputuprobably01:16
kapputubut I love ubuntu01:16
kapputuI even installed it on my unsuspecting roommmate's machine01:16
topyliubuntu is love01:16
kapputuhe likes it but can't get his soundcard detected01:17
[Phaedrus] that's pure Evil kapputu... Evil with a capital E01:17
[Phaedrus] haha01:17
topylihehe, and what did he think?01:17
|trey|kapputu, inside, he's prolly kinda pissed  ;)01:17
kapputuhe is thinking of going back to windows :-(01:17
kapputunope01:17
kapputuit's faster than his spyware, adware, virus ridden windows 200001:17
kapputubut he wants sound to work01:17
kapputuit's a 440BX onboard soundcard01:18
kapputuany help ?01:18
topylikapputu: so make his sound work. he can get a $20 soundblaster or whatever if the onboard chip is too sucky01:18
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|trey|kapputu, before he leaves entirely... have him try maybe Fedora... I like Ubuntu because it reminds me of Fedora and Debian, my prior fav distro's...01:18
[Phaedrus] kapputu: anything is possible with the linux world... might require kernel compilation though01:18
tuxxkapputu have u ever tried Mandrake?01:18
kapputuyeah01:18
=== |trey| has never liked Mandrake for some reason :(
kapputubut he has only 6GB and only about 3 Gig for Linux01:19
tuxx|trey| how come?01:19
kapputuubuntu is the only distro I have used continously this long01:19
topylii have used mandrake and debian all my life (well, not really) and they are both very cool01:19
kapputuI like Mandrake better than FC/RH and Ubuntu better than Mandrake01:19
tuxxI'm new to Ubuntu but have been using Mandrake for the past 3 years until yesterday01:19
kapputuI started with RH 5 ??01:20
|trey|tuxx, too Windows-ee... I left windows cuz I don't like the interface... why would I go to Linux to put up with the same interface?01:20
kapputudon't remember the version01:20
kapputuwouldn't detect my video card01:20
|trey|tuxx, other then the frontend, its just another lsb complient distro though  :/01:20
topylikapputu: redhat sucks too much, i've never been able to look at it for long, except when i started with 5.x and didn't have much choise01:20
kapputuyeah same here01:20
kapputuI switched to Mandrake 2 years back01:20
kappututried FC but din't use it much01:20
tuxx|trey| You've got a point however no one prohibits the use of Fluxbox on MDK.. not much KDE-eye candy left then :)01:20
kapputuok my roommate is not going to spend a penny when he can get sound working in Windows01:21
|trey|tuxx, I am talking about little things like the menu... its just not logical enough for me...01:21
tuxxkapputu let him01:21
|trey|its a lower learning curve for windows users, but its idiotic to me...01:21
tuxx|trey| I don't get that.. the menu where?01:21
topylituxx: mandrake supports gnome and E quite nicely. you don't have to use kde. i never even installed kde on my mandrake boxen01:21
kapputubut I have to configure his network in Windows01:21
kapputuand I dont want to use Windows01:22
|trey|tuxx, the application menu...01:22
tuxxtopyli yeah01:22
tuxx|trey| is it the same menu in KDE as within Fluxbox?01:22
|trey|tuxx, yup...01:22
tuxxkapputu who want's to use Windows? And who's forced to it?01:22
kapputumy roommate01:23
topylituxx: in mandrake? they have an universal menu system now, ported from debian01:23
tuxx|trey| hmmm... sure?01:23
kapputuhe might be forced to, if he can't get his sound card configured01:23
|trey|tuxx, umm, I used to use KDE, then XFce4, then more and more GNOME since 2.6 though...01:23
kapputuhe uses his PC mainly to browse and listen to music01:23
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tuxxI've only used Fluxbox most of the time and never modded the menu in KDE so I did not knew it was the same01:23
topylikapputu: he needs a browser-based kiosk system based on debian stable :)01:23
kapputuhis windows is fucked up but he wants to go back to it since ubuntu couldnt detect his soundcard01:23
tuxxkapputu what soundcard?01:24
kapputuonboard 440 BX01:24
kapputuit's an old Dell machine,01:24
kapputuP-II 40001:24
|trey|kapputu, if you want help.... lspci | grep Audio01:24
tuxxkapputu hmm.. Maybe Mandrake works?01:24
topylikapputu: see if knoppix finds the card, then check what module it's using01:24
kapputuand when I removed his windows 2000 it had about 24 spyware apps loading on startup01:24
tuxxSpeaking of menus.. how do I edit the one in Gnome 2.8/Ubuntu?01:24
kapputuyeah I was going to do that01:25
tuxxkapputu Mandrake as always been nice to me01:25
kapputuactually to get him initiated into linux, I gave him knoppix and let him use it for a while01:25
|trey|tuxx, /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/vfolders <-- look around those files...01:25
tuxxnow Ubuntu is nice to me.01:25
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|trey|needs a frontend...01:25
topylituxx: two ways. 1) go to applications:/// in naiutilus and edit away. 2) right click the items in the menu itself01:25
kapputuit's too tiring to remove unwanted packages tuxx01:25
HWolfHalleluja! All my problems are gone. :-)01:25
tuxxkapputu i Mandrake?01:26
kapputuyes01:26
topyliHWolf: praise the $DEITY!01:26
tuxxkapputu select them at installation-point :)01:26
|trey|kapputu, should get rid of Knoppix, and install Ubuntu Live CD (formerly Gnoppix)01:26
kapputuno he has ubuntu now |trey|01:26
[Phaedrus] HWolf: this might be the moment to brace yourself for impact01:26
topylikapputu: you just don't know how :)01:26
[Phaedrus] usually when you think its all gone, its just gaining speed :)01:26
|trey|kapputu, I mean if he wants to go back to Windows  :)01:26
kapputuno I'm lazy01:27
HWolf*g*01:27
[Phaedrus] what were your problems anwyays?01:27
kapputuhe needs to listen to music from some website which opens up a player in the browser01:27
HWolfNow, my only problem is that I can't kill windows, since I sell software that is functional and windows-only. :-)01:27
tuxxkapputu what web?01:27
kapputuwww.raaga.com I guess01:27
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tuxxis it mp3 ?01:27
HWolfMy internet did not come up, was slow as hell, and the dns went down every time.01:28
kapputuI think it's real audio01:28
topylihell, it's almost 2:30 in the morning. i have to begin to start considering going maybe to bed soon01:28
[Phaedrus] kapputu, is he indian?01:28
kapputuyes01:28
[Phaedrus] thought so01:28
|trey|kapputu, guess you don't want help? I said 'lspci | grep Audio' on his box..01:28
kapputuI'm not sure if I should go into his room now01:28
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kapputu1 sec01:28
kapputuI don't want to help ??01:28
kapputuI was the one who made him install linux01:28
kapputuand spent 8 hours in front of his computer last week01:29
Yohi!, could someone tell me if there is a place where i could get ubuntu pakcages for mono?01:29
[Phaedrus] http://www.cynapses.org/tmp/usability/superkaramba.png --- that is nice!01:29
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|trey|Yo, they are in Multiverse...01:29
tuxxkapputu lemme ask.. is the soundcard installed but real not working? or is the card not recognised at all?01:29
[Phaedrus] tuxx: apparently its onboard01:30
HWolfMan, that's an awesome programme on that screenshot. :-)01:30
topylikapputu: go to his room and say WAKE UP! MY LINUX GEEK FRIENDS ON IRC MIGHT WANNA HELP US01:30
kapputusound card not recognized at all01:30
Yo|trey| - Multiverse? what is that?01:30
kapputuno he is not here01:30
[Phaedrus] it is.. isnt it... sort of like Samurize for windows01:30
|trey|Yo, Synaptics > Settings > Repository ... the one that says Multiverse, check it...01:30
kapputuanyway |trey| lspci returned nothing01:30
tuxxkapputu ok that's out of my league sorry.01:30
|trey|Yo, uhh, you want Universe... but add the word "Multiverse" there....01:31
topylikapputu: so as far as linux is concerned, he has no sound card :(01:31
LinuxJoneskapputu, it's probably an isa card01:31
kapputuyep topyli01:31
|trey|kapputu, umm, 'lspci' paste a line that states sound or audio...01:31
Yo|trey| - hmm synaptics ? where i find that?01:31
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kapputuyeah very probable01:31
[Phaedrus] kapputu: do you know how to compile a kernel?01:31
kapputui can learn01:31
topylikapputu: time to go shopping for old sound blasters01:31
|trey|Yo, Computer > System COnfiguration01:31
ograYo: Computer->Sytem Tools01:31
|trey|ogra, shush  ;)01:32
LinuxJoneskapputu, you friend can but a sb live value for like 10 dollars :)01:32
topylikapputu: listen to LinuxJones01:32
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[Phaedrus] Kapputu: Do your friend a favor and get him a new soundcard01:32
tuxxyeah new card!01:33
kapputuI have a spare Conexant riptide sound card01:33
[Phaedrus] you can pick up an okay card for less than 20$01:33
kapputuany good ?01:33
tuxxkapputu try that01:33
[Phaedrus] is it PCI?01:33
kapputuyeah01:33
[Phaedrus] alright, give it a shot01:33
topylikapputu: i bought a _new_ sb 128 pci for i-dont-remember-but-it-did-not-matter01:33
Yoi get a error when i run symnaptic01:33
|trey|[Phaedrus] , that doesn't solve his current problem... don't say pointless comments...01:33
restrex<LinuxJones>  can i send you a private?01:33
|trey|Yo, what does it say?01:33
tuxxtopyli yeah descent cards cost *nothing*01:33
topylithat's right01:33
LinuxJonesrestrex, ask here someone else might be having the same problem :)01:33
[Phaedrus] |trey| it wouldnt be worth the hazzle to try to plug in a ISA card, you know01:33
restrexok :)01:33
kapputuany suggestions on where I can buy one ?01:34
YoFailed to run usr-sbin-synaptic as root: child procces ended with 101:34
kapputuif it's around 10 dollars or so I can convince him to buy one01:34
|trey|[Phaedrus] , 'get new hardware' is the worst thing you can possible say in linux support...01:34
ograYo: what pw did you give it ?01:34
[Phaedrus] |trey|: I already found the drivers for his card and posted it to him in PM, but that's going to require recompiling the kernel01:35
restrexwell, i want to instal apache::gallery http://freshmeat.net/projects/gallery/     but i don't know how to mont a webserver, i have installed ubuntu only for mount a webserver and install that script01:35
|trey|[Phaedrus] , good job  :)01:35
Yoi get it, it worked fine when i run it from console01:35
topyli|trey|: so true. sb 128, good old matrox video cards...01:35
[Phaedrus] thanks trey:) *phew* finally approved :)01:35
ograYo: give it your user pw, it will work ;)01:35
restrexhow can i mount a server, i have to download all that the page of apache gallery says?01:36
kapputuis there a tutorial on how to compile the kernel or you guys will help me out ?01:36
ograYo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo01:36
|trey|[Phaedrus] , I still say telling him to spend more money is a bad idea though... think about it, Windows or OS X *WORKED* on _this_ hardware... it just makes Linux/BSD/etc look bad  :(01:37
topylirestrex: you have to describe the problem. i don't know how to "mount a web server" either :) what are you trying to do and how do you fail?01:37
restrexmm ok01:38
[Phaedrus] |trey| I am sure it is possible to make it work... and i would guide him through it, if it was his computer... when its a friend's computer, it can get hard to sit there and let the compilation run for a few hours01:38
|trey|[Phaedrus] , most don't mind a little hard work... but not working on current hardware is out of the question...01:38
LinuxJones|trey|, so learning how to compile a new kernel as opposed to spending 10 dollars for something that will work out of the box is somethign that you would recommend ?01:38
restrexwell01:38
restrexi have to install apache mod_perl, and another things01:38
|trey|LinuxJones, 95% of the time, yes...01:38
topylirestrex: ok, as gallery dependencies01:38
LinuxJones|trey|, heh01:38
restrexyes01:38
restrex:)01:38
restrexwell01:39
restrexi have downloaded perl, but01:39
restrex:S01:39
|trey|LinuxJones, if they have heard of Linux, the are probably substantial enough of a geek to actuall know somewhat what they are doing... just needing to be pointed in the right direction... others I usually ignore...01:39
topylirestrex: hold on. are you using apt or installing all of this from source?01:40
LinuxJones|trey|, compiling a kernel is not something that I would recommend to somebody who knows little about it. It would be a great learning experience yes but it's not his computer :)01:41
restrex<topyli>  sorry i didn't undersatnd you :S01:41
ogra|trey|: youre crazy01:41
|trey|LinuxJones, learning experiance? I disagree... watching text fly by the screen teaches you little... other then an appreciation for distro maintainers...01:41
topylirestrex: did you do 'apt-get install gallery' or use synaptic -- or are you downloading packages from their own sources?01:41
[Phaedrus] heh01:41
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restrexi don't know how to install perl, i have downloaded perl tar but i uncompressed it, but i don't know how to follow01:42
[Phaedrus] i remember giving up linux once, just cause i couldnt put up with kernel compilation01:42
restrexyes01:42
topylirestrex: use synaptic or apt-get, and life will be easy for you :)01:42
ogra|trey|: most people want to drive their cars, they dont want to know how to change spark plugs or repairing cludges01:42
topylirestrex: apt-get install gallery01:43
fsctrey: not everybody wants to dick around with their system just for the sake of dicking around with it01:43
|trey|ogra, true, but today, those people would be unlikely to even have heard of linux  ;)01:43
topylifsc: really?01:43
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fsctopyli, is this a shock to you?01:43
restrexoh, sorry :S, i'm from chile, and my english is so bad01:43
restrex:(01:43
restrexok01:43
restrex:)01:43
restrexmm01:43
restrexthis is an script?01:43
srbakeranyone know a good way to tell what format a video is in?  i can't get it to play under anything i can find for ubuntu *or* windows media01:44
|trey|reformed, Marcelo Salas rules  8)01:44
ogra|trey|: it's a matter of leading them the _right_ way that works without wrenches.... fixing the bugs that force them to01:44
topylifsc: shock? shock? this is outrageous! nobody told me01:44
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[Phaedrus] what's the extension srbaker?01:44
fsctopyli, sometimes the fanboys don't quite understand it01:44
tck<srbaker, whats the extension01:44
|trey|ogra, in fact, fedora and ubuntu policy = that _is_ a bug...01:44
khcIn /var/log/cups/error_log: E [30/Oct/2004:16:40:46 -0700]  [Job 1]  unable to create temporary file: No such01:44
tck<srbaker, virtualdub for windows is a valuable tool - maybe it can help01:45
LinuxJones|trey|, I don't agree with your logic but that's just me :P01:45
khcfile or directory01:45
ogra|trey|: hmanity is a bug? usabiolity is a bur youre kiddin01:45
topylifsc: heh, to be honest, i need real working productions systems too, to do _work_, believe it or not :)01:45
srbakerthe extension is avi01:45
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ograyou01:45
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fsctopyli, don't we all01:45
topylifsc: all of us! that's just too much01:46
ogra|trey|: humanity is a bug? usability is a bug youre kiddin (sorry was to brkoen)01:46
[Phaedrus] srbaker: do you have the proper codecs installed?01:46
fsctopyli, I guess some people do need broken systems, but that's their problem01:46
fsctopyli, hehe, gentoo people need broken systems ;)01:47
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topylifsc: well, when you're interested in systems, you break them. but you need another system to do some work on, right?01:47
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fsctopyli, yeah, i think I just said that01:47
topylifsc: i think you did :) i only understand stuff when i get to use my own words =)01:48
[Phaedrus] gentoo is fun, if you like compiling, compiling and more compiling01:48
srbaker[Phaedrus] , that'as what i'm trying to figure out.01:48
fsctopyli, hehe01:48
srbakerit could be bad, though.01:48
khcIn /var/log/cups/error_log: E [30/Oct/2004:16:40:46 -0700]  [Job 1]  unable to create temporary file: No such file or directory, and the print job didn't come through, any ideas?01:48
[Phaedrus] srbaker: what does windows media player say?01:49
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HWolfCould trying to get fglrx installed break my X?01:49
[Phaedrus] srbaker: there is a good chance that the file is not complete or corrupt... if its a movie, use some app like divfix to fix it or something01:49
[Phaedrus] and i have no idea why such a question came up on a linux channel01:49
ograHWolf: if you follow the wiki, no01:49
topyli[Phaedrus] : everybody hates compiling. some people like coding, but they hate the waiting while stuff compiles (or doesn't)01:49
fscHWolf, most likely not...mine fglrx install was very smooth. just needed to change to change one line in XFree86-4 I believe01:50
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khchmm01:50
khcrestarted CUPS and now it works01:50
fscI love how nice the ndiswrapper install for me was.  was so easy...set everything up for me perfectly01:50
HWolfWhat would the advantage be, if not planning to play games?01:51
[Phaedrus] topyli: that's why you need two systems... atleast :)01:51
fscHWolf, not sure. maybe the 2d acceleration is better, but probably not noticeable01:51
asdf_46fsc, what wireless card are you using?01:51
ograHWolf: your screensavers look better...noting ele01:51
[Phaedrus] or just a shelf full of books to read, while it compiles01:51
ograelse01:52
topylifsc: now you get to explain this ndiswrapper thing to me. it seems to be in fashion :)01:52
HWolfNothing smoother on the desktop?01:52
danielsyou will get full 3D acceleration (modulo S3TC, which you can patch in externally if you're adventurous) for all ATI cards up to 9200 (i.e. all r1xx/r2xx chipsets) with the free drivers01:52
topyli[Phaedrus] : yes01:52
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danielsin terms of quality and ease of use, fglrx is crap, so you should steer clear of it unless you really, really need it.01:52
ograHWolf: i think the 2d support of the oss drivers is ok01:53
danielseven then, start from the point of view of 'i do not need this driver'.01:53
fscasdf_46, i've got a linksys with the RealTek 8180 chipset01:53
danielsevery 2D card on the market is supported by the free drivers01:53
|trey|daniels, would you happen to have test packages of the new xserver?01:53
HWolfI've got a 9200se, so it would probably not be worth it then.01:53
fsctopyli, you grab your windows wireless drivers and ndiswrapper wraps them up to a linux interface01:53
daniels|trey|: dude, still no.  we'll tell you when hoary is ready for general use, and when there are test x.org packages around (we wouldn't keep it quiet if we wanted testers).01:53
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danielsHWolf: yah, just stick with the radeon driver unless you desperately need texture compression01:54
topylifsc: ahh, sounds pretty handy01:54
HWolfAnd as soon as I've got money, i'm going nvidia.01:54
ogradaniels: is there a page for widescreen laptop configs, i had a weird support today01:54
|trey|daniels, I am using hoary... mdz kinda told me I could... sorry01:54
fsci think there are 2.6.x native linux drivers for my chipset now, but the guy over at RealTek was taking a long time to get them out, and the 2.4.x drivers weren't all that hot. you could only use 2.4.20 kernel and below for an odd reason01:54
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danielsHWolf: and yes, it can break your X.  you can revert back to the standard driver -- it's not permanent or anything -- but it's not guaranteed to work by any measure.01:54
danielstopyli: not in the least.01:55
fsctopyli, windows cards?01:55
danielsogra: not really; what problem did you have?01:55
mdzdaniels: hoary is ready for general use; we sent out an announcement to that effect01:55
|trey|daniels, just don't see it... was wondering if there was a seperate repo for current work  :(01:55
danielsmdz: ho hum01:55
kapputuahh damn01:55
mdzwhere 'general' means "I don't mind if it breaks"01:55
fsctopyli, whatch you smoking? there are drivers for ATI and Nvidia01:55
kappututhis site www.raaga.com works only for Netscape and IE01:55
|trey|mdz, thank you  :)01:55
topylifsc: well, matrox never gave me any trouble01:55
HWolfI'll just go and see if I can get my tv-tuner working.01:55
topylifsc: and yes, i am smoking :)01:55
fsctopyli, Nvidia nor ATI have ever given me trouble on linux01:55
danielsmdz: right01:55
danielskapputu: i suggest you report that to the webmasters of raaga.com01:56
ogradnaiels: i didnt, a guy in the channel: http://www.pastebin.com/115266 he had only 800x600 ....01:56
|trey|Netscape compatible = Gecko = Mozilla compatible...01:56
topylifsc: you get to download drivers, like in windows (if you have an ati or nvidia card)01:56
go?01:56
ograwhoo, canonical wakes up *g*01:56
topylifsc: and you pray that they'll work01:56
fsctopyli, so because you have to download the drivers, it makes them windows cards?  what kind of bizarro logic is that?01:56
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mdz|trey|: when X.org is ready for testing, we'll send out a message about it asking for testers01:57
topylifsc: you don't know if and how they'll work, that's the point01:57
kapputudaniels, I did01:57
danielstopyli: as I said before, all cards are fully supported with 2D, and the 3D support ranges up reasonably.01:57
HWolfIs anyone aware of any drivers for the Pinnacle PCTV Rave?01:57
fsctopyli, I pray that I don't have to use a crappy ass Matrox card ever01:57
HWolfmdz, are there any significant improvements in X.org right now?01:57
danielsogra: 'Unknown post id, it may have been deleted'; do you still have the details?01:57
kapputu|trey|, Windows says the soundcard is Crystal PnP01:57
|trey|mdz, sounds good... just thought I would ask as he was here  :)01:57
kapputuis that any good ?01:57
fsctopyli, I've never had problems with Nvidia or ATI. I already told you that01:57
danielsanyway, guys, these video card holy wars are off-topic heer.01:57
ograyep.... i mail it to you... if you dont mind01:57
danielsthis is #ubuntu, not #videovendorbloodbath.01:57
fsctopyli, get your facts straight01:57
topylifsc: we disagree. i work, i need great video cards. matrox makes them01:57
|trey|kapputu, google 'Crystal Audio Linux"01:58
danielsogra: cheers, that'd be great -- daniel.stone@canonical.com01:58
mdzHWolf: it has a few new features, but it's actually much closer to what we already have than most people seem to think01:58
topylidaniels: you're right01:58
BrianB04Hey topyli, anything new from Matrox lately?01:58
mdzjudging from the clamor01:58
danielsHWolf: there is Composite, which is still pretty experimental, and a lot more hardware support, but we've already backported almost all the hardware support, so it's alright01:58
ogradaniels: i know ;) (who doesnt *g*)01:58
topyliBrianB04: no need ;)01:58
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HWolfHow about faster. I'd rather see fast then features. Unless we're talking full transparancy. :-D01:59
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danielsogra: heh01:59
BrianB04Seeing as how I am not going full bore into pro photography, I need good good quality images...01:59
|trey|mdz, its just that people are being told "XFREE IS EVIL AND BAD, FEAR IT FOR YOUR OWN SAKE" so general users see xserver-xfree86 and shudder... I would like to try what is considered the "modular branch" but have yet to see one that is packaged  :(02:00
mjrHWolf, said Composite allows for full transparency, as well as more useful features02:00
fscmmm.....composite02:00
HWolf*goes to google*02:00
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danielsHWolf: yes, full and flexible transparency is supported (keithp has a hacked up xterm where the background casts a shadow of far lighter intensity than the individual fonts with a decent compmgr), but it's not too quick yet.02:00
|trey|HWolf, google is like god... it knows all  :)02:00
mdz|trey|: the people who are telling them that need to stop doing it02:00
fscso Hoary switched over to X.org?02:00
mdzfsc: not yet, but it will02:01
daniels|trey|: the modular branch is still lagging the monolithic branch in some aspects; myself and the rest of upstream are working on merging the two in our own time, however.02:01
danielsfsc: not yet, but it will02:01
kapputu|trey|, should I modprobe cs4235 ?02:01
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|trey|daniels, is keith working close to Ubuntu?02:01
daniels|trey|: keith is doing other things right now02:01
|trey|kapputu, if thats whats returned, yes02:01
|trey|mdz, *points at redhat*02:01
danielsmdz: i suspect he was talking about the general fear of xfree86 -- it's irrevocably tainted as an organisation, and most people associate X.Org with shiny things02:01
topylidaniels: will moving to x.org be a disaster for those who track hoary?02:01
danielsmdz: it's kind of inevitable, no matter whether or not we have >300,000 lines of patches02:02
|trey|daniels, just aware that he is a dd... would be nice to have him on board too  8)02:02
fscdaniels, my question is if it's really better? X.org vs XFree86 that is02:02
mdzfsc: it's the way forward02:02
danielstopyli: absolutely not.  if your configuration doesn't get migrated perfectly, or if there are any regressions, you get to report a bug02:02
fscmdz, I didn't ask that. I asked if it was better02:02
kapputu|trey|, you think this would need a kernel recompile ?02:02
danielsfsc: it allows to trim our patchset from >300,000 lines to hopefully within the 5,000-10,000 mark, once we start merging with upstream02:02
|trey|topyli, all problems with the transaction will be considered bugs afaik02:02
mdzfsc: then scroll back a page or two and read the answer02:02
topylidaniels: i mean the transition from xfree to x.org -- is it very painful?02:03
daniels|trey|: yeah.  he's not working on X stuff right now, though; he's working on another window system as a HP research project and is busy with his kids in his spare time.02:03
fscdaniels, nice02:03
danielstopyli: if it is, you get to report a bug02:03
|trey|kapputu, no, just type modprobe cs4235 and maybe restart X...02:03
HWolfIs there anywhere where I can read some more about it?02:03
danielstopyli: put it this way -- if my mum dist-upgrades to hoary, she shouldn't notice02:03
ogradaniels: mail sent ;)02:03
danielsogra: thanks dude02:03
|trey|daniels, thats cool  :)02:03
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|trey|kapputu, echo cs4235 >> /etc/modules if you don't want to keep doing that...02:04
mjrI'll make it a bit more clear still: X.org is a continuation of an XFree86 snapshot and as such has essentially the same configuration file format and friends, so there's not really a lot of places for migration trouble02:04
topylidaniels: nicely put =)02:04
amathisafter installing nvidia drivers I cannot use xmms.02:04
stuNNedamathis, there is bug for that02:05
danielsogra: if you could tell him to remove HorizSync/VertRefresh from his config file next time you see him, that would be great, thanks02:05
danielsmjr: (and xfree86 is a continuation of an x.org [well, ok, not the foundation, but close enough]  snapshot; can anyone say 'full circle'?002:06
|trey|daniels, why is that a good idea? will be automagically detected if they are gone?02:06
amathisWTF.02:06
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|trey|daniels, (removing sync lines...02:07
topylidaniels: anyway, i'm already ready to congratulate everybody for such a small amount of hassle with these early days of hoary, which by all reason should have been a damn mess =)02:07
|trey|daniels, usually my screen becomes quite colorful when I exclude them  :(02:07
topyliit's really really late here, so i'm off to bed. be nice!02:08
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nimcwhich xinitrc i should edit for xmodmap key bindings i want to add ? there is no .xinitrc in home dir ?02:08
|trey|topyli, most annoying part would have been re-applying all patches not included upstream  :(02:08
daniels|trey|: yes, they will be probed via DDC if they aren't there.  we have to write them out to work around bugs in some systems (mainly iBook laptop panels, IIRC), but it's not based on the monitor's capabilities, only based around getting the selected resolution to work well.02:08
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daniels|trey|: if you want to go higher, delete them; if it causes problems, leave it in.02:09
|trey|daniels, I found out what I need for 1024x800, which is my prefered res, and commited that to memory  :)02:09
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|trey|(H= 30-60 V= 50-100)02:10
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|trey|Have 17inch though, could prolly go larger  :/02:11
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mjrtrey, I'm sure that you, too, get plenty of mail that can help you with that02:12
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theantixdoes ubuntu plan to have a page like packages.debian.org?  (or is there one already)02:13
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kaputtu|trey|, I did a modprobe snd-cs46xx on my friend's machine02:14
jdubtheantix: there will be at some stage02:14
theantixthanks jdub02:14
kaputtuit did not return me an error and installed a number of modules into the kernel02:14
kaputtuwhat do I do next ?02:14
|trey|kapputu, restart X02:15
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ogra|trey|: ??02:15
|trey|ogra, to make sure its working...02:15
ogra|trey|: the sound ? by restarting X ???02:16
LinuxJonesQuestion for the dev's !! This link to the gnome-systems-tools website has a graphical runlevel editor (which is a common question here in IRC).  Why is it not included with Ubuntu ? >> http://www.gnome.org/projects/gst/02:16
theantixmy fiancee is happy, got Ubuntu working with WindowMaker for her just a while ago -- works great :-)02:16
cardadordont know if its a bug, but after "upgrading" to hoary, i could not login to Gnome, giving me some error about ICEauthority. solved it by deleting that file02:16
ograLinuxJones: its buggy02:16
jdubLinuxJones: because it's not supported by upstream, or us02:16
jdubplus, it's really not the right way of doing things02:16
ogracardador: youre using k3b ?02:16
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cardadorogra: yes02:16
LinuxJonesOk just curious cause it seems like there are 3-4 inquires about a GUI based runlevel editor02:16
ogracardador: thats the prob ;)02:17
cardadorogra: installed it today... hmm02:17
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kaputtu|trey|, dint work02:17
|trey|ogra, :/  restarts esd session...02:17
LinuxJonesjdub, there is something in the works to address this though, is there ?02:18
nimcis it possible to add key bindings to nautilus? e.g. F20 in addition to alt+left for 'back', like i did for firefox02:18
ograhmm02:18
jdubLinuxJones: not directly, at the moment02:18
|trey|kapputu, hmm, there is no simular package without snd-?02:18
|trey|s/package/module02:19
ograjdub: but people should be able to switch certain things on/off .... its a real demand regarding the ML02:19
jdubin the default desktop install, there's really nothing to bother with02:20
kaputtusudo modprobe -v cs46xx doesn't return anything02:20
LinuxJonesjdub, sounds like a good project for me to work on in my spare time :)02:20
=== |trey| has via82xx and ac97 loaded... was under the impression snd- = OSS emulation...
kaputtuit's probably installed02:20
jdubexcept for some services that should autodetect whether they're relevant or not02:20
ograjdub: its not my demand ;)02:20
daniels|trey|: oss emulation is snd-{pcm,mixer}-oss02:20
jdubin the majority of cases, 'installed or not' is the right way to deal with it02:21
|trey|daniels, hmm, that makes more sense  :)02:21
danielsjesus, at this rate I'm packing more cords than clothes02:21
ograjdub: good point ....02:21
jdubLinuxJones: it's a very difficult integration task; i will probably write up a design for it early on during hoary02:21
danielsoooh, and I get to use this 1 quid coin that's been on my desk for a while now02:21
LinuxJonesjdub, would it be coded in Python or C ?02:22
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ograLinuxJones: wrong question ;)02:23
jdubLinuxJones: that's probably the last question that needs asking02:23
ograpython is preferred02:23
LinuxJonesogra, heh I can't stand C02:23
ograLinuxJones: cant stand python....im a perl guy... but will learn it for ubuntus sake02:24
kaputtuogra, I'm a Perl guy too02:24
LinuxJonesogra, to make that commitment, to Ubuntu, your my hero :)02:24
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fscPygtk+ runlevel editor would be cool02:25
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kaputtuany help with that 440BX Crystal sound card ?02:25
jdub*not* a 'runlevel editor'02:25
jdubwe have one of those02:25
thecyclopsCan anyone tell me about this distro....someone told me to check it out....what makes it different?02:25
jdubit's in g-s-t, but unsupported02:25
jdubbut that's not what we need02:25
jdubthecyclops: lots of that stuff answered in the FAQ02:25
fscjdub, what do you need?02:25
fscjdub, set up a bounty02:25
kaputtuogra, it's Saturday evening ..02:25
ograTheMuso: try it02:26
ograThecy:02:26
moyotethecyclops, give it a try, man. You'll like it. :-)02:26
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tudi0shi all02:26
tudi0s(soz my english, im spanish)02:26
fscweird trivia - who was the youngest mother to give birth?02:26
ografsc: ??02:27
fscogra, rather what was the age...and it was 5!02:27
thecyclopsIs there a live cd for this distro that I can check out?02:27
fscthecyclops, yes there is02:28
ografsc: still dont get you....02:28
fscogra, the youngest person to give birth was 5 years old02:28
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ografsc: yeah, but what is this related to ?02:28
mdzthecyclops: www.ubuntulinux.org has a wealth of information02:28
fscogra, that's why i prefaced with "weird trivia"02:28
ografsc: k02:28
fscogra, oh and she uses ubuntu....;)02:29
thecyclopscool, ill check it out02:29
kaputtu:-( haveto recompile the kernel02:29
ografsc: lol02:29
ograkapputu: what for ?02:29
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kaputtufor the 440BX Crystal soundcard with drive cs423202:29
kaputtu*driver02:29
fsckaputtu, i think that chipset was in my thinkpad....IIRC,02:30
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Strissis it possible to get Java working for firefox on ppc?02:30
mdzkapputu: why would you need to recompile the kernel for that?02:30
kaputtuI just read somewhere02:30
kaputtucan I get isapnp tools anywhere ?02:30
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kaputtuogra, you have an alternative ?02:30
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ograkapputu: sudo modprobe snd-cs46xx ?02:31
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kaputtui did that02:31
kaputtudin't get any error02:31
kaputturestarted X02:31
kaputtuno change02:31
fsckaputtu, don't you have to set up aliases and stuff for the module02:32
mdzfsc: no02:32
kaputtuI have no clue02:32
ografsc: no need02:32
HWolf*Sweet* TV-tuner working out of the box, with all channels. The software that came with it, for windows, only gave me 5 channals02:32
HWolf:-)02:32
fscogra, i remember i had to set some up previously02:32
kaputtuok it's cs4232 and I think I installed it into the kernel02:32
mdzkapputu: try: sudo modprobe -r snd-cs4232; sudo modprobe snd-cs4232 isapnp=102:32
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ogramdz: wher is this hidden ? didnt find it02:33
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kaputtubrb02:34
mdzogra: where is what hidden?02:34
ograargh, ISA !!02:34
ograthe module ;)02:34
ografound it *g*02:34
mdzsomeone tell kaputtu when he comes back that he shouldn't reboot every time he tries to load a module02:34
ogramdz: i'm trying this since some days ;)02:35
ograhe allways wants to recompile everything.....02:35
LinuxJonesmdz, he was trying to install the sound card on his friend's comp if you can wrap ur head around that :)02:35
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kaputtuhey guys I can't open volume control but I can see a file named dspW in dev02:37
kaputtudoes that make any sense ?02:37
ograkapputu: sudo modprobe snd_mixer_oss02:37
kaputtuand when I do modprobe -r snd-cs4232, I get a message that the module is already in use02:37
mdzkapputu: if the machine has PCI slots, I highly recommend just using a modern card. you will save yourself a lot of work02:38
kaputtuok I din't get any messages out of that02:38
kaputtuno mdz, this is for my friend02:38
kaputtuif I can get sound working, he won't go back to Windows02:38
ograkapputu: if mdz says, listen !02:38
mdzkapputu: if your friend's machine has PCI slots, I highl recommend that your friend use a modern sound card, it will save you and your friend a lot of work02:38
kaputtulol02:38
ograkapputu: he's the boss !02:38
kaputtuI have a conexant riptide pci card02:38
kaputtuany good ?02:39
ogratechnical wise02:39
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kaputtuhi Pizbit02:39
PizbitMornin:)02:39
kaputtuok any more suggestions before I quit ?02:40
ograkapputu: take the pci card ;)02:40
mdzkapputu: echo "options snd-cs4232 isapnp=1" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/snd-cs423202:40
kaputtuthe riptide one ?02:40
mdzkapputu: then reboot the machine02:40
ogramdz: lol02:41
mdzif that doesn't work, honestly, it isn't worth it02:41
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LinuxJonesmdz, that's cool :002:41
PizbitDamned dogs:)02:41
kaputtuwhat does that do ?02:41
mdzyou can get a working card for $5 on ebay02:41
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stuNNedis there a wpa_supplicant package or the like for wifi wpa encryption support?02:42
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kaputtuok what about the spare conexant riptide card I have02:42
kaputtuis it any good ?02:42
mdzno idea02:42
mdzeasy to find out, though02:43
ograkapputu: depends on the chipset....02:43
kaputtulet me see02:43
ograkapputu: try02:43
mdzunplug the machine, put in the card, if it works, it's good02:43
ograkapputu: dont look...02:43
kaputtuogra, it's not my machine02:44
kaputtuand my friend is not in here02:44
kaputtuso I can't open the PC02:44
mdzkapputu: try what I suggested02:44
ograkapputu: then wait02:44
mdzkapputu: see if it works02:44
ograkapputu: but listen to mdz02:44
mdz(the command live I gave you)02:44
mdzs/live/line/02:44
kaputtuok02:44
kaputtuI did that02:45
kaputtulet me restar02:45
kaputtubrb02:45
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ogralol02:45
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kapputumy friend likes ubuntu02:45
kapputuok I believe  that line doesnt do anything02:46
ograkapputu: so try the pci card if your friend is back02:46
kapputuyep02:47
mdzI think it does in fact default to isapnp=102:47
kapputuwill do that02:47
mdzbut isapnp is more trouble than it is worth02:47
kapputuok I'm going off to take a nice hot shower02:47
LinuxJoneslol02:47
ograkapputu: great ides *g*02:47
kapputuI'll try convincing him to get a new card02:47
ogras/a02:47
mdzkapputu: sudo rm /etc/modprobe.d/snd-cs423202:48
kapputuelse he's doomed to use windows02:48
mdzkapputu: to undo what you did02:48
mdzdon't convince him, just give him a new card02:48
kapputuI don't want to buy a card for him02:48
ograkapputu: and ubuntu ;)02:48
mdzsomeone nearby has a card they will give you for free02:48
kapputuit's not even for a girl :-P02:49
kapputuogra, I have servutu, laputu and deskutu02:49
Dragoonif I put a pci soundcard in my computer now is there anything special I need to do to install it or should it detect and install what is needed?  I just got ubuntu up and running the night and I'm a newbie when it comes to linux so I really have no clue02:49
ograkapputu: try the pci card in your box (replace) if it works for you it will work for him too02:49
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kapputulike God for instance ?02:49
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kapputujust kidding02:49
mdzDragoon: it should just work02:49
kapputuno one I can think of02:49
Dragoonok thanks02:50
ograkapputu: try the pci card in your box (replace) if it works for you it will work for him too02:50
kappututhe only spare one is from my other machine02:50
kapputuk02:50
kapputufor now sound or no sound, I'm off02:50
ogranight ;)02:50
mdzDragoon: if you want to use it instead of onboard sound, disable the onboard sound in your BIOS setup02:50
stuNNedis there any way to install totem-xine w/out removing ubuntu-desktop?02:50
kapputuogra, not so fast.02:50
jdubstuNNed: no, but that's okay02:51
kapputuI'll be back soon02:51
PizbitstuNNed: ubuntu-desktop doesn't matter02:51
kapputuneed to grab a beer though02:51
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ograkapputu: but i'l be gone ;) 3am here02:51
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stuNNedjdub, Pizbit: ok thanks, what is ubuntu-desktop for anyways?02:51
ograyay mdz02:51
kapputuogra gnite02:51
kapputusee you tomm02:51
jdubstuNNed: assisting upgrades02:51
PizbitstuNNed: Meta-package to install the base system02:51
mdzjdub: or we could rename the package ubuntu-desktop-dont-panic-you-can-remove-this02:51
Pizbitmdz: Heh, just tack on -removable02:51
ogralol02:52
jdubstuNNed: later on, if you upgrade, you might find it helpful to try installing it02:52
jdubmdz: (i still think the tasks thing was fine)02:52
mdzjdub: for the silent majority of users who *don't* install totem-xine, this is better :-)02:52
stuNNedjdub, Pizbit, just did `apt-get install totem-xine` and i get: ** (process:17664): CRITICAL **: file eggdesktopentries.c: line 2223 (egg_desktop_entries_add_group): assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed02:53
cardadorwhat happened to monthly wallpapers? will we get the november one?02:53
jdubmdz: yeah, means we don't have to provide an upgrade mechanism smarter than dist-upgrade02:53
jdubcardador: yes02:53
jdubcardador: but it is not november yet02:53
ogracardador: its not nov yet ;)02:53
mdzpatience02:53
cardadorjdub: lol you have a point02:53
cardadorforgive me :D02:53
mdzit is not even november for jdub yet02:53
mdzand he gets there first02:53
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ogra*g* jdub tell us how it is there tomorrow02:54
jdubmdz: which is kinda handy, given that i'll have to do the package :)02:54
Pizbitjdub: You're in NZ?02:54
jdubPizbit: sydney02:54
danielsPizbit: no, but you are, seemingly ;) jdub is in .au02:54
PizbitHah!02:54
danielsrepresentin' tha east coast and all that02:54
stuNNedjdub, Pizbit: just don't worry about that error message?02:55
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PizbitstuNNed: I havn't a clue what the heck it's on about to be perfectly honest.02:55
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mdzstuNNed: it's harmless, but it does indicate a bug somewhere02:55
stuNNedPizbit, ok thanks02:56
stuNNedmdz, file a bug report?02:56
ograhmm, wnck or trayicon ??02:56
mdzstuNNed: if you can determine which program is printing it, yes02:56
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mdzI upgraded this embedded box from 2.4->2.6 in the process of putting Ubuntu on it02:57
mdzand now it can't keep time at all02:57
ograhw ?02:57
mdzit drifts by ~10 seconds/hour02:57
mdzsoekris net450102:57
ograhmm, 48602:58
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ogradesigned for rtos ....02:59
mdzthey're very nice systems02:59
neuro|laptopooh, spooky02:00
neuro|laptopintrepid:/store/mp3> date02:00
neuro|laptopSun Oct 31 01:59:50 BST 200402:00
neuro|laptopintrepid:/store/mp3> date02:00
neuro|laptopSun Oct 31 01:00:01 GMT 200402:00
ograi think so, but 2.6 on 486 ? ..02:00
stuNNedis there any way to tell what repo a .deb comes from before installing?02:00
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jpvcxneuro:hoaray for dst02:01
mdzstuNNed: apt-cache madison, or apt-cache policy show it02:01
stuNNedor from security/universe/multiverse, etc02:01
stuNNedmdz, thanks02:01
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kapputuwow that was refreshing !!02:01
ograkapputu: dont drop in your keyboard ;)02:01
mdzhmm, good to know that BST ended02:02
kensaiogra: I reinstalled LOL02:02
ograkent: so ?02:02
neuro|laptopmeans i get an hour longer on my weekend, woo02:02
kapputuogra, not the beer, the shower02:02
ograkensai: did it work ?02:02
rexiooDo you have APM module on yours operating systems?02:02
mdzneuro|laptop: it means I now have this awkward period where my offset relative to the UK folks is != 8 :-)02:02
kapputuI'm going now to get the beer02:02
neuro|laptopmdz: :>02:03
kensaiogra: yeah reinstallation always work ;)02:03
kapputumdz =  Matt Zimmerman ?02:03
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mdzyes02:03
ograkensai: but should not be the common way ;)02:03
kapputucool02:03
kensaiogra: Yeah! LOL02:03
ograkapputu: as i told you, if he says, listen ;)02:03
mdzneuro|laptop: it's so much worse when it begins02:03
mdzthere is a period of several days where it is different02:04
kensaiogra: I just fear to touch the hoary hedegehog again02:04
ograkensai: in april its safe ;)02:04
mdzin this case it seems to be only hours02:04
kensaiYeah02:04
mdzUK seems to do last-sunday-in-march compared to first-sunday-in-april for the US02:04
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kensaiI installed americas army and now it doesn't run whithout sudo should I reinstall it without sudo?02:05
ograkensai: i think you can step in in march to help testing ;)02:05
PizbitEnder, or started, recently though02:05
kensaiogra: I'll think of it. :-)02:05
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ogramdz: oh, thought this was unique around the world02:06
nodaThe wiki has had that huge warning on it for several days now. Why is it taking so long to move to a new wiki? And isn't it kind of unusable until then?02:06
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rexiooAPM module don't load, what do i do? Message from linux: FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device02:06
kensaiWhere ios the howto to install java in ubuntu? I have done it lots of time but I always like installing things like the how to says02:07
mdzrexioo: boot with acpi=off02:07
mdznoda: the move is complete, the new wiki has been live for some time now02:07
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cardadorkensai: search on the wiki02:08
mdzwww.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/02:08
nodaLhttp://wiki.ubuntu.com02:08
nodaOoh, the new one is pretty02:08
ograkensai: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats02:08
kensaiYeah ! I though it was the best solution SORRY! for being so lazy02:08
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ograis Alexander Poslavsky here ?02:10
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nodaWhat's the difference between "universe" and "multiverse"? :)02:11
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ograplovs: many thanks ... for repairing RestrictedFormats (and adding my repo as well)02:11
ograthanks mdz ;)02:11
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rifficokay where are the musepack plugins for ubuntu02:17
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fyzikapangreetings...i installed ubuntu on my iBook today and I'm having a problem with DNS lookups.  I disable IPv6, but lookups still take forever.  Any ideas what could be causing the problem?02:18
nodafyzikapan: Your primary DNS server is down and so your laptop is resorting to the secondary DNS server?02:18
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fyzikapannoda, lookups work fine on my desktop..02:19
nodafyzikapan: Are file transfers fast and just DNS lookups slow?02:19
rebirthive followed the guide @ http://www.princessleia.com/Windowsbind.html - but how do i bind these keys now in gnome?02:19
rifficanyone use mpc? i cant seem to find any plugins for xmms or gstreamer or anything02:19
fyzikapanDNS lookups are the only problem02:19
rifficmusepack?02:19
fyzikapanthey work, just not quickly02:19
LinuxJonesfyzikapan, ur sure the ipv6 module is not being loaded ?02:19
nodarebirth: You really don't need to do anything from that guide...02:19
nodarebirth: Go to Applications -> System Tools -> Configuration Editor02:20
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fyzikapanLinuxJones, I disabled it by adding a file called "noipv6" to /etc/modprobe.d02:21
HMShas anyone got their usb cable modem to work under ubuntu?02:21
fyzikapanit contains "alias net-pf-10 off"02:21
nodaNavigate to /apps/metacity/global_keybindings, /apps/metacity/window_keybindings, and /apps/metacity/keybinding_commands to see how to make the Windows key actually run commands from a shell02:21
nodaOtherwise, go to Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts to configure your shortcuts.02:21
rebirthnoda, what do i edit there?02:21
rebirth:o02:21
nodarebirth: You'd have to read the docs to see.02:21
ograrebirth: or computer->sytem tools->keyboard02:22
rebirththanks =)02:22
nodarebirth: You only need to use the configuration editor if you want to bind arbitrary commands (e.g., "evolution") to a keyboard combination.02:22
fyzikapanis there anything else I should do to disable ipv6?02:22
ograoops02:22
rebirthahh02:22
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nodarebirth: For example, I put "evolution" in /apps/metacity/keybinding_commands/command_1 and put "<Super>e" in /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/run_command_102:23
nodaSo when I want to start Evolution, I just hit Windows-E02:23
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kapputuogra want some ?02:23
rebirthhow do i bind the windows key to bring down the 'Applications' menu?02:23
nodarebirth: But in general, don't follow those stupid howtos, only follow the ones on Ubuntu's website or wiki :)02:23
rebirthis that in the keyboard shortcuts?02:23
nodarebirth: Alt-F1 already does that02:23
nodarebirth: Yes02:23
ograkapputu: got good spanish wine here ;)02:23
rebirthok, thannks :)02:23
rifficokay does anyone know how to get mpc to play in xmms or gstreamer?02:23
riffici'm looking for musepack plugins02:24
rifficcant find02:24
kapputuogra, u from UK or Germany ?02:24
nodarebirth: "Show the panel menu"02:24
rebirththanks noda, works already :-)02:24
ograkapputu: last02:24
kapputuk02:24
kapputu I want to learn German02:24
Pizbitrebirth: alt+F1 is the default binding02:24
rebirthyeah I saw, now its windows key =)02:24
ograkapputu: anything you dont want to learn ??02:24
ograkapputu: ;)02:25
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HMShas anyone got their usb cable modem to work under ubuntu?02:26
ograHMS: what brand ?02:26
mjrsounds bad from the start...02:27
rebirthhow do i unbind something? :x02:27
HMSit's a terayon02:27
rebirthnm, backspace02:27
nodarebirth: Heh, GNOME is great, eh? :)02:27
rebirthgnome is amazing02:27
rebirthKDE can't touch GNOME imo02:27
nodarebirth: The developers realize that almost always, people won't read a whole sentence. So the once you see really matter ;)02:27
noda:s/once/ones02:28
noda(like the "Press backspace to remove a keybinding" ;)02:28
NafalloI can't use sasl2 for postfix without the sasl2-bin package, correct?02:28
Pizbitnoda: Someday they'll realise no one reads at all, and have a realllly annoying voice:)02:28
rebirthbbs, gonna try a dif wm :)02:28
nodaPizbit: rofl, my cousin bought a car which has a voice telling him where to go. He turned it off because it dimmed the radio volume ;)02:29
ograHMS: worked with CDCEther on kernel 2.4, i dont know the equivalent for 3.6 though02:29
Pizbitheh02:29
nodaPizbit: So we gotta do better! A computer that simply *knows* what you want :)02:29
ogra2.602:29
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HMSyeah, it worked fine on 2.4, won't recognize and initialize in 3.602:29
=== noda can picture it now... a computer which automatically browses porn :P
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HMSI'll finger it out02:30
=== Nafallo picture a computer that will deinstall windows and install linux :-).
ograHMS: its likely supported in 2.602:30
Nafallos/ure/ures/02:30
nodaOh, by the way, how many people would be interested in an Epiphany extension which lets you load/unload other extensions? This question is for Ubuntu devs, too, since it'd mean repackaging of epiphany-extensions... and would be obselete by the time Epiphany 1.6 comes out02:31
HMSI02:31
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noda(The functionality is already in 1.5, but we could backport it to 1.4 if it were considered extremely useful)02:31
HMSI'll finger it out.... it's probably the hub I'm using02:31
jdubnoda: 1.5 will be in hoary anyway02:32
ograHMS: CDC-ACM PROBABLY02:32
ograoopy02:32
Nafallono plans to put sasl2-bin into warty-updates I guess? :-P02:32
nodajdub: I'll probably ignore it, then. It's really a dead-end development-wise.02:32
HMSI'll try dat...02:32
HMSthanks ogra02:32
Pizbitnoda: Firefox is the default browser too02:32
nodaBut it'd be a pretty awesome display of how powerful the extensions system is: it'd show how an extension can *become* the new extensions system ;)02:33
nodaPizbit: Bleh :(02:33
ograHMS: tell me if it worked....02:33
nodaFor Hoary, too?02:33
ograHMS:  i'm working for a cable comp ;)02:33
PizbitMy guess is most likely.02:33
ograHMS:  ...so i'm pretty interested in this...02:34
=== noda really thinks Epiphany is a better browser for Ubuntu
=== Pizbit sends noda to a doctor.
nodaPizbit: What does Firefox have which Epiphany doesn't? I'll code it :P02:34
PizbitHeh, I honestly havn't touched it:)02:34
=== mjr would like Galeon in universe - where would one make a request?
jdubnoda: me too, in certain ways; there was a lot of discussion about it pre-warty.02:35
nodaWhat's the difference between universe and multiverse?02:35
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nodajdub: I know, I read the ML02:35
jdubnoda: multiverse == contrib/non-free and a bunch of other stuff02:35
nodajdub: Oh, okay, so it's got java-package, nice :)02:35
jdubmjr: check why it's not building in the build logs02:35
jazzkahow can I enable ntp sincronization by default in ubuntu?02:35
jdubhttp://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/02:35
nodajdub: Problem is, the ML discussion really didn't say what Epiphany can possibly do to become default in Hoary02:35
jdubjazzka: apt-get install ntp-simple02:36
HMSogra: what company you workin' for?02:36
jdubnoda: the discussion was mostly before the preview02:36
ograHMS: a german cable provider, i used to run the testbed for modems when i started there...02:37
HMSsweet02:37
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rebirthuh oh... :x02:37
mjrjdub, hm, actually, seems to be successfully built...02:37
rebirthtrying to install psyBNC (needs gcc + ncurses) gcc worked, ncurses moaned at me, think i have it working02:37
kapputuhey ogra, what do you do ?02:37
rebirthnow it wont even run -.-02:37
mjr...a couple of days ago02:38
jdubmjr: that might've been in hoary02:38
Nafallokapputu: hi there! how are you? :-)02:38
jdubmjr: double-check the versions02:38
kapputuhey Nafallo, how are you02:38
kapputugood to see my friends again02:38
ograkapputu: read above.... inbetween i was in datamining and reporting in that comp.... from tuesday i'll be responsible for all DTV stuff02:38
mjroh, yeah, hoary it was02:39
Nafallokapputu: starting to get tired :-).02:39
ograkapputu: esp. the settopboxes02:39
jdubAfter installing, the following source dependencies are still unsatisfied:02:39
jdubmozilla-dev(inst 2:1.7.2-2 >= conflicted 2:1.7)02:39
jdubmjr: ^^^02:39
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mjryep, just found that myself02:40
Nafallokapputu: trying to figure out how to enable sasl2 in postfix and the problem is that warty are missing packages, as usual :-P.02:40
ograbtw. OT, does anybody know if thawte has something nagra (but free) like ?02:40
jdubNafallo: sasl2-bin is in universe02:41
jdubNafallo: but it really ought to be in main, yeah02:41
Nafallojdub: yepp, universe are out of security updates :-P.02:41
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kapputuwhat's sasl2 ?02:42
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kapputuogra, what's dtv ?02:43
ograkapputu: digital tv02:43
kapputuI'm into NLP, data warehousing02:43
neuro_neuro@majestic:~ $ apt-cache search sasl2-bin02:43
neuro_sasl2-bin - Programs for manipulating the SASL users database02:43
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kapputuI guess I'm more into theoretical stuff02:44
kapputuI want to catch up with what I din't learn in my younger days02:44
kapputuI think I have told u02:44
kappututhat my video card din't work with RH 502:44
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kapputuand I din't have much resources back home02:44
kapputuused Windows through much of my teens02:45
kapputu:-(02:45
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tckkapputu, its good to use multiple os02:45
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greg_Hello.02:46
Nafallojdub: are there ANY way to get sasl2-bin into warty? would be nice to run ubuntu on my server. sasl2-bin is the one thing left from sarge now :-P.02:46
Lizhi02:46
ogratck: yeah, irix ;)02:46
Nafalloand no, I don't wan't to wait til April :-P.02:46
tckopenvms is very nice :)02:46
tckbeing getting into that lately02:47
neuro_Nafallo: if you're running a server, why not just run sarge?02:47
ograyup....long ago.....02:47
HMSbr02:47
HMSbrb02:47
Nafalloneuro_: sarge ain't stable :_P02:47
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greg_I just reinstalled warty from the released CD iso, but now I'm having trouble installing some things from universe that used to be no problem. There seem to be some packages missing.02:47
Nafallos/_P/-P/02:47
jdubNafallo: not into warty main, no. it's released. sasl2-bin is in warty universe, however.02:47
greg_Any ideas?02:47
jdubgreg_: have you enabled universe and done an update?02:48
neuro_Nafallo: neither is ubuntu :)02:48
Nafallojdub: yea :-/.02:48
greg_Yes. I believe I did that correctly. I edited the sources.list and I'm using synaptic.02:48
kappututck, I think windows made me dumb02:48
jdubneuro_: warty has had its final release02:48
ograneuro_: ????02:48
tckgreg_ whats mirros are in the sources.list02:48
kapputuI was a good programmer when I was 1402:48
kapputuwhich was when I got a computer02:48
ogragreg_: refresed in synaptic ?02:49
tckkapputu, just put it down to another skill :)02:49
kapputuand I kinda faded away02:49
Nafalloneuro_: ubuntu warty IS released and have security updates. right now my server is downgraded from sarge to deb woody with ubuntu warty on top :-).02:49
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neuro_jdub: was just making a point02:49
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stephen87hi02:49
neuro_sarge is pretty damn stable02:49
kapputuI have lost a great deal of time02:49
kapputuand now I want to catch up02:49
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greg_ogra:  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/,  http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/, ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat02:50
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greg_ogra: yes.02:50
ogragreg_: did you click the refresh button02:50
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greg_ogra: yes. I did. A couple of times.02:50
Nafalloneuro_: are the buildd network for sarge-security up and running?02:50
neuro_Nafallo: no idea, why don't you ask them?02:50
ogragreg_: showm me your sources.list (pm)02:50
Nafalloneuro_: cause I hang on all relevant debian mailinglists, and so for it is not.02:51
neuro_what's your point?02:52
Nafalloneuro_: hence woody and warty running :-).02:52
neuro_i'm just trying to figure out why you're using a desktop-oriented distro in a server role :)02:52
Nafalloneuro_: point is... no security updates = not running on my server.02:52
Nafalloneuro_: assuming you meant warty, because woody is pretty damn old :-P.02:53
neuro_eh?02:53
Nafalloneuro_: warty brings some of the packages up to date :-)02:53
ogragreg_: hmm, strange....02:53
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Nafalloneuro_: like exim4 instead of exim3 :-)02:53
Nafallo(though I'm headed for postfix)02:54
neuro_but you can't expected a desktop-oriented distro to have all server-related packages in it's main repository ...02:54
kapputuogra, you ever sleep ?02:55
ograkapputu: in the end of the month ;)02:55
kappututhat's today fr u02:55
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ograohh02:55
max_can anyone help with wireless WEP  connection02:55
mcdoncwarty rocks... it did a much better job at detecting my hardware than fedora on the same system (wireless, monitor, the fact it's a mobile system so powernowd, and so forth).02:56
jdubneuro_: ubuntu is a fully supported desktop and server os. it is not 'desktop only'.02:56
kapputuI never seem to be able to sleep02:56
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neuro_jdub: having "Ubuntu is a complete desktop Linux operating system" on the website would bely that description :)02:56
neuro_and i didn't say "desktop-only"02:56
Nafallonope, but while it has libsasl2, libsasl2-modules and postfix-tls it's just dumb it hasn't sasl2-bin. and because of warty's lack of security support for some servers I have woody to get for example jabberd :-).02:56
jdubneuro_: we make more noise about the desktop bits02:56
kapputuogra, ubun detected that my wireless card was a ACX 111 but still I had to install the acx driver and fetch the firmware to make it work02:56
mcdoncand many thanks to tollef fog heen for his packaging of binary ati drivers.02:56
kapputuwill this be fixed ?02:57
kapputuor is there a way around it ?02:57
kapputuother than following the tutorial ?02:57
ograkapputu: dunno, its a binary firmware.....02:57
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Nafallokapputu: did you try to put the firmware in /lib/hotplug/firmware BEFORE compiling yourself?02:58
kapputuno02:58
Nafallokapputu: that's why it didn't work then :-).02:58
kapputudint know i had to do that02:58
Nafallostrange.02:58
sidneycan somebody tell me how to make LANG different than what it is permanently?02:59
kapputuok /lib/hotplug/firmware has my firmware02:59
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kapputubut still it doesn't start on boot02:59
kapputui have to manually start it02:59
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azuzakwhere exactly should I start some apps on booting? I want to setup subversion, for example. thanks03:01
mxpxpoddoes anyone here have ubuntu on their ibook g4?03:01
sidneyany ideas on LANG???03:01
kapputui want a terminal to run03:01
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jdubazuzak: pretty much anything you install that is a daemon will automatically run on boot03:01
ograsidney: sudo dplg-reconfigure locales03:02
ograsidney: sudo dpgg-reconfigure locales03:02
azuzak svnserve -d -r /home/etc/repos03:03
ograsidney: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales03:03
ogradamned03:03
azuzaka command like that is going to start again on the next boot?03:03
ograsidney: the last one i posted is right....03:03
sidneyokay thanks03:03
ograsidney: then you can select the lang on the login screen ;)03:04
jrobberI am a newb, apologies. Using the Ubuntu-based Gnoppix CD. Is this the same as the Warty Live CD?03:04
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ograjrobber: nope03:04
kapputuhi nomasteryoda03:05
azuzakok, and if it's not a demon by default? if I load an app this way: ruby etc.rb &         ,jdub?03:05
nomasteryodahey03:05
kapputuyou are the guy that reverses the nick after sometime ?03:05
jrobberThanks. :-)  Looks like more strain on my bandwith :-(03:05
ograjrobber: gnoppix is knoppix based, ubuntu is morphix03:05
nomasteryodalol03:05
kapputuor the girl .. :-P03:05
nomasteryodayea03:05
jacobkapputu, do u like 2 pardie?03:05
kapputuno03:05
nomasteryodawhen i go to my ubuntu box03:05
kapputuI hate parties03:06
nomasteryodaHD crashed ... on ubuntu03:06
kapputuI hate noise03:06
nomasteryodaso ... not there now03:06
jacobu r a parde animal03:06
kapputuI hate binge drinking03:06
CRySySSo where can I read up about making Firefox 1.0PR work with Ubuntu?  I'm also curious as too what the problems are that forced a reversion to 9.x.03:06
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kapputuI like a nice beer on a Saturday evening03:06
rebirthhihi :] 03:06
rifficCRySyS: download the latest nightly firefox binary03:07
kapputuCRySyS, firefox 1.0 PR works for me (on three machines) without any problems03:07
rifficit'll work no problem03:07
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kapputuhi riffic03:07
rifficdont use trunk though, use the one from the latest-0.11 folder03:07
riffickapputu: hi03:07
ograCRySyS: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com03:07
riffictrunk is based off of 1.8 and is horribly broken03:07
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rifficlatest-0.11 is based off of aviary and is good03:08
jacobbai'03:08
azuzakis /etc/rc6.d/ the default?03:08
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CRySySI'm using the release now, but it freezes up sometimes.  I browsed the bugzilla report, I guess I'll go back and read through again.03:08
ograazuzak: nope, 2 is default03:09
CRySySI'll try .11, thanks riffic.03:09
azuzakthanks ogra03:09
ograazuzak: 6 is reboot03:09
ograazuzak: 0 is halt03:09
riffichttp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-0.11/03:09
rifficnightly builds are fun03:10
CRySySIs the nightly going to break many/all extensions?  I use chatzilla, fireFTP, Gmail Notify, ect...03:10
Nafallowell, time for bed :-P03:10
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kappututhere's a gmail notify for linux ??03:11
rifficit wont specifically 'break' anything03:11
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CRySySfor Firefox03:11
kapputuwelcome back nomasteryoda03:11
rifficbut you might need to edit your extensions.rdf03:11
kapputuyeah for firefox03:11
nomasteryodaheh03:11
rifficwith the bumped version number03:11
nomasteryodakapputu: trying to fix my dircproxy03:11
rifficor wait for newer extensions to be posted03:11
kapputuwhat's that ?03:11
thoreauputicriffic: nightly builds are fun, especially when they pop up for a microsecond and then disappear again ;)03:11
riffichey wfm dude03:12
kapputuhi thoreauputic03:12
ograthoreauputic: lol03:12
kapputuhow are u03:12
thoreauputichi kapputu03:12
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thoreauputicOK - do you ever sleep? :)03:12
rebirthno03:12
rebirthnever03:12
kapputujus like me !!03:13
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kapputumy friends sleeps for 12 to 14 hrs on weekends03:13
kappututhe max I can sleep on weekends is 8 hrs03:13
kapputudon't know how they manage03:13
eruinby not actually sleeping03:14
kapputumy friend sleeps for 11pm to 2pm next day03:14
kapputufor => from03:14
eruinon weekends?03:15
kapputuyeah03:15
eruinthen I dont know how he/she manages03:15
thoreauputickapputu: it's an acquired skill - takes years of determined practice ;)03:15
kapputuI keep asking her how she does it03:15
kapputulol03:15
kapputuI sleep 6 or 6.5 hrs on weekdays03:15
eruinI have the opposite problem03:15
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kapputusometimes it's 4 or 503:15
eruinI get horribly drunk, go to bed around 5am, and wake up at 8 or 903:16
kapputuat night ?03:16
eruinand there's no way I can start sleeping again03:16
eruin8/9am03:16
ograeruin: dont drink ;)03:16
kapputuI mostly wake up before the alarm rings03:16
eruinI'm a student. I'm required by law03:16
eruin;p03:16
ograoh03:16
ograi c03:17
kapputuI set the alarm for 7.30 am and wake up at 6.3003:17
thoreauputicafk03:17
eruinalarms, ye03:17
eruinI hate them03:17
nomasteryodabeen working on 4 hours per night for 3 months03:17
eruinI always wake up a split second before it starts making that horrible noise03:17
nomasteryodastill trying to overcome nodding off at keyboard03:17
nomasteryoda=)03:18
eruinsometimes almost in time to launch it into the nearest brick wall03:18
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kapputuogra you finally went to bed ?03:21
ogranot yet, diggin through the mailing list....then i'll go03:22
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rifficmerrry christmas everyone03:22
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facherasohello, may i ask when are u sending the cds???03:23
tuppariffic: and a happy new year to you too03:23
rifficWhy do geeks celebrate Christmas on Hallowe'en?03:23
tuppariffic: how's mars?03:23
riffic31 Oct = 25 Dec lol03:24
neuro_most geeks i know are celebrating halloween on halloween03:24
neuro_ah03:24
jdubfacheraso: novemberish03:24
neuro_ba dum tsh03:24
facherasook, man thanks03:24
facherasoworldwide or just UK?03:24
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ograjdub: so not today anymore, hahah03:26
kensaiwhich is a good p2p that can be run on ubuntu03:26
kensai?03:27
rifficbit torrent03:27
neuro_try azureus03:28
kensaiI already have azureus03:28
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kensaiThanks!03:28
neuro_sorted then :)03:28
CRySySriffic: You mentioned editing extensions.rdf, I have two.  One in /extensions and one in default/profile/extensions  Am I going to need to alter both?03:28
kensaiI just want something like gtk-gnutella03:28
rifficnah just the one in your default/profile/extensions03:28
rifficEasy workaround, Close Firefox,03:29
rifficopen \%appdata%\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\randomname\extensions\Extensions.rdf03:29
rifficand change maxVersion="0.10" to maxVersion="1.0" (there may be a few)03:29
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tuppadig!03:30
tuppa(you just have to hide your files in your DNS server)03:30
tuppa;)03:30
CRySyScool, thanks for the help guys, I'm going to give this a shot now.03:31
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ogranight all...03:35
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agwibowohello03:37
eruinanyone know what's required to build xchat-gnome?03:37
agwibowohow to increase my sound card volume?03:37
rebirthmy mouse has 5 buttons, its an intellimouse 4 (the new one), how do i bind this buttons to back and forward?03:38
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mcdoncrebirth: http://www.wlug.org.nz/XFree86KeyboardMouseNotes03:40
rebirththanks03:40
rebirth:)03:40
rifficriffic@ashland:~ $ xmms03:41
riffic/usr/lib/xmms/Input/libmp4.so: undefined symbol: NeAACDecDecode03:41
rifficInconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!03:41
rifficwtf is this03:41
agwibowomy gnome volume says that there's no sound card detected... but i can play mp3 songs...03:41
agwibowoi don't know how to raise the volume....03:41
crimsunriffic: should be a faq03:41
agwibowohelp me....03:41
rifficcrimsun: where?03:41
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mcdoncriffic: i just put that error message into google and got: http://lists.debian.org/debian-glibc/2003/11/msg00444.html03:43
crimsunriffic: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=xmms03:43
rebirthbrb. restarting x03:43
mcdoncriffic: apparently it's a bug in the nvidia binary driver.03:45
rifficoh. weird03:45
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PizbitCould be wrong, but you might need to get the mikmod package?03:45
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rebirthmcdonc, could you gimme that link again please? :x03:46
crimsun$ sudo apt-get install libmikmod203:47
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mcdoncrebirth: sure, it's http://www.wlug.org.nz/XFree86KeyboardMouseNotes03:47
agwibowoPizbit: are you talking to me?03:47
PizbitNah, riffic03:48
agwibowoic.03:48
agwibowohmm... no one can answer my question... so sad..03:48
rifficit was working though03:48
rebirthmcdonc, thanks03:48
rifficuntil I installed some mp4 plugins from another repository03:48
Pizbitagwibowo: Open up the gnome volume controls and look at all of them03:48
riffici think those broke something03:48
PizbitAlthough I use aumix myself03:49
agwibowoPizbit: it doesnt work03:49
riffici just want musepack plugins though03:49
agwibowoPizbit: it says, no sound card detected..03:49
carger314can anyone tell me why Sound Juicer wont rip MP3 files even though I have the LAME encoder installed?03:49
amathisbecause it is lame?03:49
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carger314ha03:49
Pizbitagwibowo: Install aumix then open up a terminal and run aumix and see if that'll work03:49
jdubcarger314: because it uses gstreamer, not the lame binary03:49
carger314give that man a lousy bash.org quote03:49
agwibowook..03:49
jdubcarger314: so it needs the gstreamer lame plugin03:49
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rebirthdoesn't appear to be having much of an effect thought, mcdonc, should i restart ALL of x?03:49
jdubcarger314: which i don't believe is built03:50
carger314ah. ok03:50
PizbitOh hey, that wlug site gets all over the place.03:50
rebirthmeh, ill reboot03:50
rebirthbbs!03:50
mcdoncrebirth: i actually don't know, i just googled for it and it seemed to be appropriate03:50
Pizbitmcdonc: Heh, I was gonna tell him that all changed to the XF86Config-4 file require an X restarted:)03:51
agwibowoPizbit: i run it.. it says: aumix: SOUND_MIXER_READ_DEVMASK03:51
PizbitThe mind boggles.03:51
azuzakthe commands that I needed to load some services during the boot I added to two files under /etc/init.d and then created links from /etc/rcS.d/ after setting the correct permissions and a couple of adjusts, it worked. thanks. :-)03:52
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jason_hey03:52
jason_anybody here?03:53
=== neuro_ looks at the list of 244 other nicks in the channel ... :>
neuro_nah03:54
Pizbitneuro_: Ghosts eh?03:54
neuro_must be03:54
neuro_i hope i'm not that kid who bruce willis hangs around with03:54
neuro_"i see dead people ..."03:54
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neuro_"... hacking away like regular people"03:54
jason_So does Mark Shuttleworth actually come to this chan?03:56
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neuro_we had to eat him for sustenance03:56
amrhmms03:56
amrmcdonc, if i do that, x freaks out and breaks03:56
kapputudoes Mark Shuttleworth come to this channel ?03:57
jason_Does your Mom smile when she sees me03:57
jason_?03:57
Pizbitjason_: Yeah, the same smile she wears when she sees dinner.03:58
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mcdoncamr: you mean following the instructions on that website?  i'm not sure i can help much, i'm just the googler. ;-)03:59
amr:-(03:59
amralso, htf do i enable num lock to be always on?04:00
amr:x04:00
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jason_You dont04:00
jason_thats just linux04:00
suifurwow, ubuntu is nice :)04:00
Pizbitamr: Hrm, 2 secs04:00
amrjason_, you must be able to04:00
neuro_tell your bios to put numlock on, some allow you to04:00
amri have done04:00
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carger314anyone here using ndiswrapper to get their wireless cards to work?04:01
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PizbitBut you can install numlockx and hit yes when it asks about turning numlock on when x starts04:02
neuro_bah, pizbit beat me to it :)04:02
Pizbitneuro_: I was double checking it too:)04:03
neuro_my excuse it it's 3am :)04:03
PizbitHeh, that's a lousy excuse.04:03
neuro_spose04:04
PizbitEspecially when you shouldn't be going to bed for another 4 hours.04:04
neuro_true04:04
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neuro_and i only got up at noon04:04
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=== Pizbit got up at around 1400, 1600 now
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amrnumlockx? :o04:06
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khcOn the hardwaer support page, it says cpu freq scaling works for powerbooks, but it doesn't work here...04:06
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Pizbitamr: Yep, via synaptic04:07
jason_Why would you want to use Ubuntu if you have a powerbook?04:07
jason_OS X not good enough?04:07
amrPizbit, installed ;)04:07
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kapputuhey guys04:08
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Pizbitamr: Did you enable the script?04:08
kapputuwhat's up04:08
amrPizbit,  yep04:08
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rebirthgah :|04:08
jason_Phr0stByte if it isn't your do it04:08
jason_you have nothing to lose04:08
jason_;)04:08
kapputulol@jason_04:08
Phr0stByteMoooohahahaha04:08
kapputuwhose is it Phr0stByte04:08
khcjason_: What does that have to do with anything?04:09
kapputudon't do it if it's your gfs04:09
Phr0stBytemy friend just baught it and gave it to me to check out04:09
jason_go use OS X and be happy04:09
kapputushe'll fall in love with it and forget u04:09
rebirthPizbit, now i just need to get my mouse working :x04:09
jason_khc04:09
jason_get portage working on it if you want X11 progs04:10
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rebirthbbs. fiddling :x04:10
khcjason_: When did #ubuntu become #gentoo?04:10
Phr0stBytekapputu: I laughed at the idiot for paying $250 for Virtual PC so he can run Windows on the thing04:11
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jason_what would you need windows for?04:11
kapputulol04:11
jason_BSODs?04:11
kapputudamn Microsoft04:11
jason_Malware04:11
kapputuFUware04:11
jason_lol04:12
jason_I have never heard it called that04:12
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kappututhat's what it is04:12
neuro_wake me up when the topic isn't "bashing microsoft 101"04:12
jason_indeed04:12
jason_hey monad is cool04:12
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jason_and longhorn looks promising04:12
kapputua piece of junk which makes u an imbecile04:12
kapputuHey Hiky04:12
jason_but * > Windows04:12
kapputuwelcome back04:12
kapputulonghorn promising ??04:13
thoreauputicpromises...promises...04:13
jason_sure compared to older windows ver.04:13
kappututhat it'll still be a fucked up piece of software04:13
jason_why?04:13
neuro_folks, just imo, if you want to talk shit about microsoft, go do it on /.04:14
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kapputurebirth, amr why do you keep changing your nick04:14
Phr0stBytekapputu: MS has desided to skip out on their much hyped new filesystem so that the cam meet their projection date for release....04:14
kapputuyeah I know04:15
kapputuand I don't think they'll still manage to meet that date04:15
Phr0stBytesure they will04:15
kapputuyep and release 5 security packs a week after they release04:15
Phr0stBytethey will just release a bunch of patches and updates that they didnt have time for before04:16
jdubdudes, off-topic stuff elsewhere please04:16
Phr0stBytesure - bye04:16
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kapputuoh come on jdub04:16
kappututhere wasnt much going on anywa04:16
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kapputuanyway04:16
Phr0stByteheh04:16
kapputuwelcome back Phr0stByte04:16
Phr0stBytekapputu: thank you04:17
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khcjdub: ya, like being told to not use ubuntu is on topic?04:17
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kapputuubuntu will the best operating system when Longhorn comes out, which no one will want to use04:18
kapputuPhr0stByte, just make sure you have ubuntu somewhere in the sentence and we can continue the MS bashing04:18
kapputu;-)04:18
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PizbitLike jdub said, take it elsewhere. Crikey04:18
v|g|LanTWhat's ubuntu?04:19
Phr0stBytelol04:19
khcWhy is cdrecord -scanbus trying to open /dev/hda?04:19
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jason_are you using SATA or SCSI drives?04:19
jason_khc04:19
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khcjason_: No idea, whatever is in a powerbook.04:20
khcI think IDE04:20
jason_yeah probably04:20
jason_My cd-rom is /dev/hda04:20
jason_because I am using a SATA drive04:20
rebirthmouse all works now04:20
khcRight04:20
rebirthnn ;)04:20
khcBut here hda is the disk04:20
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jason_I wish automount would work for my user04:21
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kapputuany Perl developers here ?04:21
jason_I dunno04:21
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kapputuhi Matt04:21
Pizbitrebirth: What's with the name changing?04:21
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rebirthPizbit, do i get disconnected?04:21
amrI won't let you change your nick anymore04:22
amr:-)04:22
rebirth:-(04:22
Pizbitamr: Heh04:22
rebirththink muh is a bit broked04:22
rebirth:\04:22
Pizbitrebirth: Not all the time04:22
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rebirthim having a bnc running in the bg so i can switch wm's04:22
khcLet's hope rebirth registered amr and ghost kapputu04:22
kapputuoh yeah he did04:22
rebirthi do have amr, but i forgot the pass :'(04:22
kapputugreat !!!04:22
rebirthanyway, nightynight!04:22
rebirththanks for all your help04:23
rebirthyou all rock04:23
rebirth:)04:23
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kapputubye rebirth, amr04:23
cugaHey, I've always been a Deb user and I just have one question thats gonna put me over to install Ubuntu on my desktop, when the 6 months comes round and Ubuntu has a new release, will it be like deb where you just do a dist-upgrade and you are running the new release?04:23
jason_yes cuga04:23
kapputujason_, are  u using hoary ?04:24
jason_you can upgrade from preview to fullreleases as well04:24
jason_yes04:24
cugajason_: thanks, cd finishing burning now, my buddy tried it out and had nothing but good things to say so we'll see :)04:24
Phr0stBytegoodnight ubuntu kapputu ubuntu see ubuntu you ubuntu next ubuntu time ubuntu04:24
kapputubye Phr0stByte04:24
kapputulol04:24
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kapputufunny fellow04:24
Pizbitheh04:24
cugaanything I should know before I install Ubuntu ?04:24
kapputujason_, how stable is hoary ?04:24
kapputucuga, a lil English ?04:25
Pizbitcuga: Ubuntu uses sudo04:25
jason_I have found bugs in Gnome04:25
jason_and in XMMS04:25
jason_TV Time04:25
kapputuic04:25
kapputuanything major04:25
kapputu?04:25
Pizbitkapputu: It isn't, and wont be for a while04:25
jason_Gnome apps crash when I mess around a lot04:25
cugahoary?04:25
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kapputuPizbit, wht isn't and what won't be ?04:25
jason_if I try to umount from a console devices that are already mounted it will sometime crash the icons on my desktop04:26
Pizbitkapputu: hoary, and because it's still being merged and whatnot04:26
cugawhat is wrong with TV Time, that's a pretty important app for me :)04:26
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kapputuany help needed ?04:26
Pizbitcuga: The next release is started to be created, don't worry about it04:26
jason_well I think it is an X problem04:26
Pizbitcuga: Nothing? I use it.04:26
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cuganext release have x.org?04:26
jason_but sometimes I move the window behind something else and part of the screen will stay blue04:27
kapputuoh the blue screen !!04:27
Pizbitcuga: Oh yeah, and you'll probably want to uncomment the universe repositories in your sources.list04:27
jason_this usually goes away with an alt ctl backspace04:27
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jason_its not that bad Kapputu04:28
jason_just some quirks04:28
jdubcuga: it will do, but doesn't yet.04:28
kapputuI'll try it out sometime next week04:28
jason_more like XP rtm release04:28
cugauniverse in sources.list basically what was in the deb unstable snap at the time right?04:28
Matt|does anyone use xmms? If so do they know how to get the damn thing to order songs by track number in the id3 tag rather than by name????! Help!04:28
jason_yes cuga04:28
jason_Sid04:28
jdubcuga: universe in warty == debian main frozen in late june04:29
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cugawell i've been on sarge for a bit and was going to goto sid this weekend, but instead i'll try Warty instead :)04:29
carger314Matt|: ive had the same problem04:29
carger314dunno a fix though, sorry04:29
jason_pure sid is too much hassle04:29
jason_for me at least04:30
Matt|carger314, you think there is a plugin?04:30
cugayeah thats why I re-installed and when't to sarge few months ago, did an upgrade on teh wrong day :S04:30
cugalol04:30
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jdubjason_: hoary will (soon) be synced daily with sid until it freezes, so it will be much the same.04:30
cugawhat is hoary?04:30
carger314Matt| no, i think there is04:30
jason_the next release04:30
jdubcuga: the next release04:30
jason_hoary hedgehog04:31
khcI need to rewatch toy story04:31
cugahaha really, I like it already haha04:31
khcWho's hoary?04:31
rifficdid you just call me whorey04:31
jason_not whorey04:31
jason_lol04:31
cugaok im going to install, hopefully i'll be back tonight.. in Ubuntu04:31
rifficyah kidding04:31
cugaLater gents04:31
Matt|<carger314> Matt| no, i think there is04:31
Matt|carger314, sorry don't get that04:32
Matt|carger314, you think there is, or you think there isn't?04:32
carger314err, sorry about that. i *don't* think there is.04:32
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Matt|ah :(04:33
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carger314anytime i rip a cd, the tracks get screwed up - but anytime i download a albums worth of mp3 tracks - they stay in order04:33
carger314its odd to say the least04:34
Matt|i have another problem. When I maximise an aterm window, or resize it in any way, the transparency is lost and the background becomes white. Can anyone help with this?04:34
Matt|carger314, what tag do you put on the cds you rip?04:34
carger314i rip with Grip (that sounds like a bad endorsement) using regular ID3 tags04:35
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jonohi04:35
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Matt|carger314, me too04:36
kapputuMatt|, what are the command line options for aterm ?04:36
Matt|kapputu, i was using "aterm -ta -fg gray04:36
Matt|sorry -tr04:37
kapputuhmm04:37
kappututry this04:37
kapputuoop04:37
kapputuaterm -tr -bg black -sb04:38
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Matt|hmm04:39
Matt|ok04:39
kapputusee if you have the same prob04:39
Matt|yes i do04:39
Matt|:(04:39
kapputuhmm04:39
kapputuprobably a bug04:40
Matt|meh04:40
Matt|damn bugs04:40
kapputuwhen did u install ubuntu ?04:41
Matt|last week04:41
Matt|or this week04:41
Matt|why do you ask ?04:41
jason_Where do you guys predict Ubuntu to be in a couple years?04:41
kapputusame here04:41
kapputuinstalled last friday04:42
Matt|jason_, no idea.04:42
kapputuif they can maintain the eye-candy and keep up, they'll do very well04:42
Matt|hmm04:42
kapputuand see a good following04:43
jason_I want x.org :(04:43
Matt|me too04:43
carger314if they can make it a bit less buggy, they may keep me from buying a mac :)04:43
Matt|i'm having to recompile the dri modules to get 3d support for my video chipset04:43
kapputuoh yeah I saw those translucent screenshots04:43
Matt|I WANT XORG!!!04:43
jason_apple keeps me from buying a mac04:43
jason_overpriced as hell04:43
jason_no its more like Steve Jobs keeps me from a mac04:43
carger314i have a friend whos been an open source advocate/linux user for years who just bought a mac04:44
carger314hes *never* going back04:44
kapputugoing back to what ?04:44
carger314to Debian04:45
Matt|ouch04:45
jason_I can see that but OS X doesn't really have the extensibility in it's apps that other OSs have04:45
jason_and doesn't over the customization04:45
kapputuwould like to try out a Mac sometime04:45
jason_even compared to windows04:45
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Gmailwhere is ubuntu's new wiki????????????????04:48
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jason_http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/04:49
kapputubye jason_, Matt|04:49
jason_cya04:49
kapputuc ya guys tomm04:49
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Matt|bye04:49
jason_bye04:49
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jason_I wonder if x.org is stable yet?04:49
jason_with xcompmgr04:49
Matt|jason_, depends what you wanna do with it :)04:49
Matt|oh04:50
Matt|what is that?04:50
jason_it is a Window manager that runs on top of exist managers that add shadow effects to windows04:50
jason_existing*04:50
Matt|hmm04:50
Matt|got a screenshot?04:50
jason_nah04:51
jason_I used it on Fedora04:51
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jason_just a sec Ill get you one04:51
jason_xcompmgr works in Gnome KDE ect.04:51
b_e_n_zMatt|, http://members.hknet.com/~wsk/ss2.png04:51
jason_but as far as I know the current build is buggy04:51
carger314crap... my cdburner/dvd drive just *stopped* working.04:51
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wm_eddieAny pygtk gurus around?04:52
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pepsi__why doesnt evolution automagically take out my junk mail?04:53
nomasteryodawm_eddie: having troubles with bittorent myself... wxpython issue04:53
pepsi__i have 328 messages marked as junk04:53
thecyclopsSo i just downloaded ubuntu and i didnt see how it was different or any better than any other distro?04:53
wm_eddiepepsi__: You probably haven't configured any deletion rules.04:54
nomasteryodayup04:54
Matt|thecyclops, lol04:54
thecyclopsWhy is everyone raving about it?04:54
Matt|thecyclops, what are you looking for in a distro?04:54
pepsi__cause you're in a ubuntu channel04:54
wm_eddiethecyclops: It's very different than most distros.04:54
thecyclopsDid I miss something....Whats the fasination with it?04:54
wm_eddiethecyclops: What distros did you use before?04:55
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Matt|hmm there are too many distros nowadays. So many that no one can support them all04:55
Matt|but i like the idea of a debian distro with shorter release gaps04:55
pepsi__wm_eddie, rules wont work because messages dont automatically marked as junk04:55
thecyclopsmandrake,redhat,fedora,suse,knoppix04:55
aLiwhy are there too many distros?04:55
wm_eddiethecyclops: Then you haven't used a Debian based distro before.04:55
jason_how do I make firefox the default browser again?04:56
Matt|aLi, i think there are because they vary just enough that no one can keep up with em all04:56
thecyclopsknoppix is debian based04:56
Matt|wm_eddie, knoppix is debian based04:56
wm_eddiewell... yeah but it's knoppix it's different.04:56
amathishowso?04:56
wm_eddieit's not a distro you install on your computer.04:56
pepsi__jason_, is it set in Preferred Applications?04:56
amathiswm_eddie, not true04:56
wm_eddieit's not something you use APT with.04:56
amathiswm_eddie, you can install knoppix on a computer04:57
jason_thanks04:57
amathisit is not just a live cd04:57
thecyclopsim not flaming or anything but this seems to be the rage right now and I was curious why04:57
wm_eddieamathis: I know that but it's not really made for that.04:57
Zeroholy shiznit. Free CD shipping04:57
Zero*orgasim*04:57
pepsi__when do i get my CDs?04:57
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wm_eddiethecyclops: Ubuntu is pretty much Debian done with a few nice things.  Like a 6 month release cycle.04:57
wm_eddieIt's just one cd, a minimal desktop.  Can't say the same for SuSE or RedHat.04:58
jason_with the new installer04:58
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jason_and it sets up everything u need04:59
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jason_alsa was a pain to setup in sid04:59
wm_eddiethecyclops: Try installing Debian so you can see how nice the newer installer in Ubuntu is.04:59
jason_are they going graphical ala Anaconda for Hoary?04:59
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inc_sup room05:00
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inc_any one know if there is such a thing as rdp server for *nix (not VNC) so M$ rdp can be used?05:02
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jasundUbuntu is at 2.6.8; its clean; has fewer problems; uses APT; I like the rootless concept; sets up smb automatically; etc.05:03
inc_the smb was very easy to setup05:04
aLii have 15 sarge debian sarge iso images on mydisk. and mount them /mnt/deb1 ext.. how can i add them to sources list?05:04
stuNNedinc_, can't auth by user here with smb05:04
inc_so all these people here but no one talking05:04
BlueGundamI need some help. I have a fat32 partition, how do I make it so that I can write to it without being root?05:04
aLiBlueGundam~ moount with -o umask 000,rw05:05
inc_what was that stunned?05:05
stuNNedinc_, using smb i can't auth by user, can't see windows shares05:05
aLii have 15 sarge debian sarge iso images on mydisk. and mount them /mnt/deb1 ext.. how can i add them to sources list?05:06
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inc_you make sure the work group name is exactly the same05:06
stuNNedinc_, in smb.conf or gui?05:06
inc_either.. i'll look at my smb.conf right now05:07
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inc_i didn't need to set it up all i needed to do was add a smb user05:07
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Gmailbtw why does gnome-system-monitor say my cpu is sleeping???05:09
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inc_what do u have your win workgroup called?05:09
speelhey how do ya install nvidia drivers?05:09
Matt|can anyone think of any packages I might need to recompile my Xfree dri modules? I come across an error and I think that maybe i need to install other packages?05:09
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speel??05:10
Hikaru79speel05:10
jboyensHow can I use cupsaddsmb to export a SAMBA printer if I can't login as root?05:10
Hikaru79Use Synaptic05:11
Hikaru79It has the nvidia driver on there05:11
Hikaru79I got it and it works great ;)05:11
speelbut thats all i need is that one thing?05:11
jasundinc:  If you are asking me, my win workgroup is called workgroup - in CAPS.  smb also saw another workgroup by another name.  I was pleasantly surprised.05:11
Gmail0_0 trippleplay is MAD05:11
inc_anyone know of a rdp server for *nix (not VNC) so M$ rdp work with *nix?05:12
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inc_mine was mshome and it works straight off05:12
stuNNedanyone know why i can't change desktop background image in nautilus?05:12
fscstuNNed, just right click on the desktop05:13
stuNNedfsc, yes, won't change when i change it05:13
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speelwhat file do i edit once i dled the nvidia drivers?05:16
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LucidVisionshello all,I am about to install ubuntu tonight.Ive been using debian/unstable for 2 years,but ubuntu sounds fantastic05:16
inc_no complaints here05:17
asubediLucidVisions: Ubuntu is fantastic05:17
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rushibhailucid: i just moved from sid to ubuntu. no problems yet..05:17
inc_installed konquerer cuase i don't like nautilis05:17
inc_it's works05:17
LucidVisionsexelent, thats good to hear,,im excited indeed05:17
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Matt|can anyone think of any packages I might need to recompile my Xfree dri modules? I come across an error and I think that maybe i need to install other packages?05:18
rushibhailucidvisions: good luck, you'll like it, esp. the wallpaper artwork05:18
inc_lol the default artwork?05:18
rushibhailol the ubuntu-calendar stuff05:19
inc_went to art.gnome.org for new spalsh screen that dude was scary05:19
rushibhaiwe were all rolling on the floor at school after seeing it..05:19
inc_gave me nightmares05:19
inc_lol05:19
LucidVisionslol,,sounds cool.05:20
rushibhaihahaha. anyone notice the nipples at the login screen?05:20
inc_eww05:20
rushibhaiexactly.05:20
jason_You'd rather a penis inc_?05:21
inc_yeah they need to get rid of that05:21
inc_rather not see any05:21
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rushibhai"human" greeter is not bad, though.05:21
inc_not kool for default... say I wanted to setup 10 workstations with it at work.. not gonna fly with half naked people on the screens05:22
rushibhaino dude, i convinced one guy to put ubuntu just because of that. he was going to put sid otherwise..05:22
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inc_lol05:23
inc_maybe they should let you choose during the install process05:23
rushibhaior not install the calendar package. then it doesn't turn up (i think)05:24
aLihow can i mount iso files?05:24
inc_well you still see them at startup on the splash screen05:24
rushibhaiah. you're right. i just checked that.05:25
inc_the backgrd is easy to change the spalsh is not hard but a pain05:25
rushibhairight..05:25
rushibhaistill, nothing like built-in half naked people in the desktop. got to love it..05:26
inc_i got a crystal gnome splash screen.. looks good05:26
inc_lol oh ya05:26
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inc_one thing i noticed is that you need to install everything on the fly.. I was like where's apace and php and mysql lol05:26
inc_like to use trace route I needed to type apt-get install traceroute05:27
aLihow can i mount iso files?05:27
inc_it's kool though learned more that way05:28
rushibhaiali: check out the man page for mount, you can use the -o loop option..05:28
rushibhaithere is an example in the man page itself.05:28
LucidVisionsSo its nice and lean by default then..very cool.05:28
aLirushibhai~ it says mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#05:28
aLi05:28
rushibhaiapt-cache search is good for that.05:28
inc_yeah lean but still have open office and stuff so it's not too lean05:29
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LucidVisionsIve only heard of one issue though,isnt it vital to sudo passwd root,cause it doesnt ask you to create a root account?05:29
cugaHeya05:29
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rushibhaiali: even as root?05:30
cugathought Ubuntu had firefox .10 PR ?05:30
inc_the postfix mta is great... just poped courier on there and after a few days of learning how mail works it got it running lol05:30
aLiyes rushibai05:30
inc_let me check i thought it did05:31
aLirushibhai~ i have installed ubuntu yet. try to mount 15 debian iso files to add apt-cdrom.. mount i cant mount them05:31
rushibhaiali: humm.. there was something called losetup though i don't remember yet.05:31
inc_nah i got 0.9.3 for firefox05:31
jasundLucidVisions:  Instead of setting up a root account, one uses gksu AKA root terminal to do root's work.05:31
rushibhaiali: are you able to see anything starting with loop in /dev ?05:32
inc_let me see if apt-get upgrade firefox works05:32
aLirushibhai~ no.. i have checked already.. no loop in /dev05:32
lamontcuga: 1.0PR was not ready to be released.05:32
LucidVisionsah,,i see,intresting.05:32
cugalamont: ahh kk, makes sense05:33
rushibhaiali: how about modprobe loop05:33
lamontcuga: hence the funky version number...05:33
lamontit _was_ there at one point, and yanked05:33
inc_well apt-get upgrade upgraded liek 10 other packages lol05:34
rushibhaiali: i may not be of huge help, as i have loopback support compiled in kernel. anyone else here able to help?05:34
aLirushibhai~ :) thanks:) how can i add loop module on startup05:34
rushibhaiali: put it in /etc/modules05:35
thoreauputicaLi: you don't need to mount to use apt-cdrom . just do "apt-cdrom add"05:35
inc_so anybody know of an rdp server for linux?05:35
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rushibhaithoreau: even for iso image files?05:36
rushibhaiinteresting..05:36
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cugaI have an ATI video card, does ubuntu install by default accelerated drivers? or just 2d ?05:39
rushibhaidepends which ati.05:39
cuga9600XT05:39
rushibhaii dont have that, but you would want to use fglrx packages (i think)05:39
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cugaXF86 log says accelerated but i only get 300fps on glxgears and i dont see any of ATI's utilitie05:40
aLithoreauputic~ but im trying to add 15 iso files on my disk to apt?05:40
rushibhaimy radeon 7500 works out of the box.05:40
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rushibhaidoes glxinfo say DRI is on?05:40
thoreauputicaLi: ah soory my mistake - I misunderstood what you were doing05:40
cugadirect rendering : No05:41
aLithen help me thoreauputic:)05:41
rushibhaicuga: so that's why your glxgears is crawling...05:41
rushibhaicuga: try installing fglrx packages. i think there are about three different ones you might need.05:41
cugayeah i see Mesa drivers , damn, does ubuntu has prepackaged ones or should i grab em from ati05:41
rushibhaiali: i dont understand your motives here.. :)05:43
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hectorvshey guys, whats up05:43
brc_wow...246 :)05:43
hectorvsi have a bit of a problem with the network-admin...05:43
hectorvsit insists in making my ethernet connection eth2 when in reality it should be eth005:44
hectorvshow do i go about to fix this?05:44
thoreauputicaLi: are you doing this because you use dialup and don't want to download using apt/ synaptic?05:44
hectorvsi had to run ifconfig eth0 up, then dhclient05:44
hectorvsto get a connection...05:44
aLithoreauputic~ not dialup.. but 64 k adsl :(05:46
cugaok i installed fglrx-driver and fglrx-control, how do i set it up now, i see no module to build or source in /usr/src...05:46
aLii have bougth my friend disk and copied the sarge isos..05:47
cugabrb05:47
thoreauputicaLi: I use dialup and it's fine except for major upgrades - 64k would be luxury - why are you worried about it?05:47
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thoreauputicaLi: or just burn the CDs and use apt-cdrom normally05:48
aLithoreauputic we are sharing connection (nearly 13 people).. so apt cant download anything..05:48
rushibhaialright. see you guys later..05:48
aLipff thoreauputic.. iwanna use iso files with apt05:48
aLican i do or not05:48
inc_cya05:49
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agwibowocan i suspend my computer in ubuntu?05:51
agwibowo(i'm using laptop)05:51
thoreauputicaLi: I guess the best thing would be to create a local mirror - I think how to do it is in the apt howto but I haven't done it myself. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html05:52
aLithanks thoreauputic i have read it several times.. nothing there..05:53
hectorvsguys, any help? my network-admin detects my ethernet device as eth2 when it should be eth0... how can i fix this??05:53
thoreauputicaLi; 15 ISOs is a fair bit of disk space....05:53
aLithoreauputic~ just 8.4 gb05:54
thoreauputicaLi: maybe here?  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.html05:55
PizbitHrm, these sensors must be b0rk, no way my cpu is 74.5C05:55
PizbitNor is it likely to be 33C heh05:55
aLiok, i'm lookin05:55
nomasteryodaPizbit: my athlon 3000+ is 39C05:56
nomasteryodacase 46C05:56
Pizbitnomasteryoda: My AMD XP 1800+ has never gone much above 5505:56
nomasteryodaer, MB that is05:56
nomasteryodayea05:56
agwibowohello.....05:56
agwibowoanyone???05:56
agwibowohow to suspend my laptop in ubuntu.....05:56
vasiagwibowo, ppc or x86?05:57
agwibowox8605:57
vasii can only help on ppc :-/05:57
agwibowohmm :(05:57
Pizbitnomasteryoda: I'm tempted to put my finger on the cpu fan to see if that shows the fan speed changing *evil grin*05:57
nomasteryodalol05:57
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nomasteryodaPizbit: you might have to adjust the sensors conf for your mb chips05:57
cugaHey, is there any image for warty for kernel 2.6.9 ? 2.6.8-1 has probs last i heard05:58
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Pizbitnomasteryoda: I only just looked at setting them up ebcause someone was talking about them on the list05:58
nomasteryodayea05:58
nomasteryodaPizbit: i keep mine up in gkrellm05:59
PizbitYeah, that's what I'm looking at05:59
PizbitGetting the hd temps was easy05:59
nomasteryodayea06:00
Pizbitapt-get install hddtemp heh06:00
nomasteryodai love apt-get06:00
hectorvsnomasteryoda: emerge is better :p06:00
nomasteryodayea06:00
Pizbitemerge is sloow06:00
hectorvstoo bad gentoo sucks for the desktop06:01
nomasteryodabut i don't like waiting on compile06:01
nomasteryodayea06:01
Pizbitnomasteryoda: I'm guessing the 33C temp is the mobo06:01
hectorvsimagine how i felt after using gentoo for the laptop and then ubutu... hehe06:01
nomasteryodaya06:01
nomasteryodayea what a change06:02
nomasteryoda5 times pressed enter... rebooted ... done06:02
hectorvshehe06:02
hectorvsyou know whats strange? that my wireless worked right after installation, no config necesary, but my ethernet is screwed06:02
Pizbitheh06:03
PizbitShit happens06:03
hectorvsnetwork-admin detects my ethernet card as eth2 when it should put it as eth0...06:03
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hectorvsi have to run "ifconfig eth0 up" and then dhclient06:03
hectorvswhich sucks...06:03
nomasteryodayea06:03
hectorvsu know how to fix this? :S06:04
hectorvsa config file for network-admin maybe or something?06:04
nomasteryodahectorvs: look in /etc/06:04
nomasteryodai have not had the pleasure of using wireless with ubuntu06:04
nomasteryoda...yet06:04
nomasteryodaso i only have eth006:05
RuffianSoldierhey izzle06:05
hectorvs:p06:05
PizbitDuh, I  pushed something I had to do out of the scrollback buffer of gnome-terminal >.<06:05
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nomasteryodai did some kismet wardriving the other day... with suse06:05
nomasteryodacan't wait to get it going with ubuntu06:06
LucidVisionshey nomasteryoda: is airsnort any good?06:06
nomasteryodahave not tried that yet06:06
nomasteryodalike kismet ... just wish i had a gps06:07
ryeI haven't seen anything mentioned about WPA support in Ubuntu.  Does anybody know if it's supported?06:07
hectorvshmm, if it says "for more informatio, see interfaces(5)" where do i check it?06:07
LucidVisionsthat would be a nice setup indeed.06:07
PizbitHrm, what's the module lp for?06:08
ryeMy WRT54G which runs Linux supports WPA.06:08
hectorvsnvm... :p06:08
thoreauputichectorvs: in man interfaces06:08
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Pizbitthoreauputic: Crazy, http://web.wt.net/~billw/gkrellm/gkrellm.png06:10
nomasteryodawhat kind of fan speeds06:12
nomasteryoda377006:12
nomasteryodaPizbit: what does sensors return in console06:13
nomasteryodais it the same?06:13
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PizbitTwo fans, one 0 and one 4856(abotu what it should be)06:13
PizbitI don't have a second fan plugge din so the 0 is fine;)06:14
nomasteryodamy fan runs about 260006:14
nomasteryodafans06:14
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PizbitBTW, that gkrellm image isn't mine;)06:15
nomasteryodaok06:15
PizbitMy sensors http://www.pastebin.com/11538306:15
nomasteryodacool06:16
nomasteryodaso does the tv card work06:16
PizbitYep06:16
nomasteryodanice06:16
PizbitBe danged why sensors looks at it though heh06:16
nomasteryodadid you have to do special configuration06:16
nomasteryodathe chipset is probed06:17
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Gmail*week06:17
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hectorvswhich file do i modify to get a daemon (gdesklets) to start up automagically? =)06:17
Pizbithectorvs: Computer -> desktop preferences -> sessions -> Add it to startup06:18
hectorvsPizbit: you own =)06:18
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PizbitBe sure to make sure there's a session in the list though.06:18
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tolstoyFolks, any recommendations for disk partition for ubuntu?06:21
tolstoyThe docs seem pretty thin. Do I need /boot, like RH likes to do it?06:22
nomasteryodain addition to another parition/distro?06:22
PizbitHey, this thread has good info http://forums.scotsnewsletter.com/index.php?s=568a43fc3fff041a898ced4f3501b65e&showtopic=503&st=006:22
nomasteryodai like to do mine that way06:22
nomasteryoda'/boot / swap06:22
PizbitI just use one big /06:22
nomasteryodaPizbit: yea06:22
tolstoyI've got two disks.  The 2nd, I'd like /home.  Not sure about the first.  Does /boot need to be bootable?06:23
nomasteryodaer, it should be set bootable if you put grub there06:23
tolstoyHm. Okay, I'll do that.  The installer seems to assume I know just a bit more than I do. ;)06:23
nomasteryodaall mine work fine that way06:23
tolstoy*I* put grub there?  So, does grub go on /boot?06:23
nomasteryodatolstoyyou can also just do one like Pizbit06:23
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nomasteryodathat's where mine is06:24
Pizbittolstoy: You can setup one disk as / and the other as /home06:24
tolstoyWhat's the dif between primary and logical?06:24
bubyamyamsnz siz06:24
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bubkorktum :((06:24
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tolstoySo, first disk / is primary, right?  (Plus a swap partition.)06:25
nomasteryodayea06:25
tolstoyand 2nd disk, all /home.  Primary also?06:25
nomasteryodano06:25
nomasteryodalogical works fine for all else06:25
nomasteryodaprimary for booot06:26
tolstoyOnly the partition that boots is "primary" eh?06:26
|trey|tolstoy, can have up to 4 primaries... extended counts though...06:26
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|trey|tolstoy, usually / swap and /boot plus extended for everything else...06:27
nomasteryoda|trey|: yea06:27
|trey|tolstoy, primary is bootable... logical is an extended...06:28
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tolstoyokay, so does this work:06:29
tolstoy  <primary>  /06:29
tolstoy  <logical>  /swap06:29
tolstoy  <logical>  /home06:29
tolstoy?06:29
nomasteryodaok06:29
nomasteryodagood06:29
nomasteryodago for it06:29
tolstoyWhy do some folks create a separate /boot partition?06:30
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|trey|tolstoy, can do <primary> / /boot swap <logical> /home /usr /var06:30
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nomasteryodawhat is the command to change video resolution in ubuntu06:30
Pizbitnomasteryoda: alt+ctrl+ +/- ?:)06:30
tolstoynomasteryoda, there's also a gui applet.06:31
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psyklopswhy is it that when I do that, all it does is zoom in?06:31
Pizbitnomasteryoda: Computer -> System Configuration -> Screen Resolution06:31
cugaHey, question, Im just customizing my gnome a bit now, and i deleted the top panel and build the bottom one with what I want, but i notice now that stuff that have 'system tray' icons, like gaim, dont show up anymore so if I close the buddy list, the process is still running but i have no way to get back to it, anybody have any idea how i cna tell apps to use the bottom panel?06:31
nomasteryodaok06:31
|trey|nomasteryoda, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 remove lines listing "HorizSync" and "VertSync"06:31
Pizbitcuga: add in the notification area06:31
nomasteryodaok06:31
|trey|Then do what Pizbit said.06:31
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psyklopsI change resolutions with ctrl alt + or - and I just see everything bigger (and it extends off screen)06:31
nomasteryodai need to change the refresh rates06:31
tolstoycuga, you have to add the "notification" applet.06:31
Pizbitnomasteryoda: Don't remove them, just make them what your monitor does06:32
nomasteryodaand i did it automagically ...basically06:32
tolstoyOh, sorry Pizbit. ;)06:32
cugaahh, thanks :)06:32
|trey|psyklops, that sounds like you configured virtual resolution...06:32
nomasteryodalast time06:32
pepsi__why doesnt evolution automatically mark stuff as junk?06:32
nomasteryodahad to reinstall due to HD failure06:32
psyklops?06:32
|trey|Used to use that when my old monitor couldn't do 1024x800 on linux  :(06:32
psyklopsnever heard of virtual resolution06:32
tolstoypepsi__, you have to intall spamassissin06:32
|trey|tolstoy, that really ought to be fixed by now though, jdub new about it early on...06:33
marcushehow can i change my right-click to control + click?06:33
marcusheim on a maclett06:33
tolstoy|trey|, what ought to be fixed.  Spamassassin not being installed by default?06:33
|trey|tolstoy, it *should* install by default...06:34
tolstoyah06:34
|trey|Every other version of 2.6 has it, or just uses Mozilla Thunderbird...06:35
pepsi__so it should start working now that i installed it?06:35
|trey|eh, 2.8 I mean...06:35
tolstoypepsi__, you can tell it's working if you see "learning spam" on the status bar when you mark junk.06:35
marcushealso, is there any way to browse for a smb printer and select it?06:36
pepsi__tolstoy, yeah i see that now, thx06:38
nomasteryodaman i love the Ubuntu startup theme music06:38
PizbitGreat innit?06:38
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psyklopswhat? I never heard that06:38
marcusheoh well06:39
Pizbitmarcushe: My best guess is Computer -> Network06:39
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nomasteryodamarcushe, does06:39
nomasteryodasmb://06:40
nomasteryodawork06:40
Pizbitnomasteryoda: You should always say where to put that btw:)06:40
marcushewell i dont know what the address of the printer is so id like to browse for it06:40
nomasteryodaok06:40
Pizbitmarcushe: Yeah, try going via the computer -> network06:40
marcushewell that brings up servers06:41
PizbitClick into them and see if it lists a printer06:41
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marcushenah not sein it06:42
nomasteryodaah, much better video refresh06:42
marcushebut i must shout out - unbuntu is the best mac linux i've used yet06:42
PizbitThat's be out of ideas, I've never touched printers in linux.06:42
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marcushei've been waiting for yellow dog 4 to come out, but this blows it out of the water06:43
marcusheim out guys, see ya06:43
nomasteryodaouch06:43
PizbitMovie time06:44
nomasteryoda=)06:44
nomasteryodawatching outerlimits06:46
nomasteryodai asked aobut your tv card06:46
nomasteryodacause i have an NTSC version06:46
nomasteryodaand it never worked in Mandrake or Suse06:47
PizbitMine does that too I believe06:47
PizbitWHat chipset?06:47
nomasteryodasame as yours06:48
nomasteryodasaa06:48
nomasteryodaphilips06:48
nomasteryodait seems06:48
nomasteryodaasus brand06:48
nomasteryodahad to get a b84806:48
nomasteryodabut still have that one06:48
nomasteryodawill certainly try it in my ubuntu06:48
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Pizbitnomasteryoda: Install tvtime and it should work, movie time anyway06:49
nomasteryodacool06:49
nomasteryodai use tvtime on this suse box06:49
Steve2_Hi.. I donwnloaded ubuntu 'warty' live cd & it found some external drives, but I can't mount/open any of the folders ther. can soemone help out pls?06:50
tolstoyDamn!  the installer didn't set me up with my max res, and doesn't show it in the screen resolution applet.  Hm.06:50
tolstoyNow, if I can just remember what it was, I can add it to Xconfig.06:51
tolstoyWhat's next down from 1600x1200?06:53
nomasteryodayea...sometimes that info is very difficult to find06:53
nomasteryoda1280x1024?06:53
tolstoyNah, something with 1400 in it.  1480xsomething. Hm.06:53
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tolstoyHah!  Some specs say 1600x1200@85Hz.  But I saw only it at 75Hz, which is headache inducing.06:55
nomasteryodaeya06:55
nomasteryodayea06:55
jason_is rythembox messed up for anyone else06:56
jason_?06:56
jason_as far as trying to add songs to your library06:56
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elljayholy crikies, the first debian based distro i like!  good show06:58
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nomasteryodaelljay: my thoughts exactly07:01
Gmailelljay: but i guess we all like debian07:02
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nomasteryoda=)07:02
Gmailbecause debian isnt debian based it is debian07:02
hectorvshey guys, how do i get shadows beneath the windows and menus?07:02
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hectorvshmm07:03
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tolstoyAnyone know the resolution between 1280x1024 and 1600x1200?07:04
nanotechhi, i'm a bit new to ubuntu, and linux and was wondering if someone could help me out on instaling software basics07:04
psyklops1280x1024 isn't a normal res... is it?07:04
tolstoypsyklops, isn't that only available with the latest x.org release?07:04
psyklops1280x960 is the traditional proportions07:04
tolstoypsyklops, yes, it is.07:04
tolstoyer, i mean the 1024 version. i mean, i see dozens of monitors set that way a day. crts, anyway.07:05
nanotechok. a .tar file is...a "tar ball" compressed archive?07:05
nevynit's not 4:3 ratio07:05
psyklopsyeah... its widely used but not "normal" (whatever you'd call it, "Traditional" maybe?)07:05
hectorvshmm... so how does one go about getting shadows under the windows?07:06
nevyn1280x960 is what I used to run my dekstop at.07:06
psyklopshmm07:07
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nanotechwould i use the gunzip command un unpackage  a .tar file?07:07
cugahey anybody have trouble with tvtime?07:07
cugai can't control volume in the application :S07:07
nanotechif so, where do the conects extract to by default?07:07
tolstoywell, this ancient version of XFree didn't detect anything higher for my monitor other than the "recommended" resolution.07:07
nanotechcontents07:07
psyklopsthey get extacted to current directory07:07
psyklopsgunzip = gz07:08
psyklopsnot tar07:08
nanotechah07:08
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nanotechso how do i unpackage a tar file?07:08
psyklops"tar" :P07:08
nanotech:P07:08
tolstoynanotech, if you're in nautilus, you can right click and "Extract to here".07:08
nanotechi know...but i want to learn the command line first07:09
nanotechwell, second07:09
tolstoyoh! ;)07:09
psyklopsvery good idea07:09
psyklops...07:09
tolstoytar xvzf whatever.tgz07:09
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psyklopsI learned the hard way, because I could never get X working unless it was in the distro by default07:09
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nanotechdoes tar unpack a .gz file?07:10
tolstoyAh!  1400x1050.07:10
arun--hello all, how to check at what cpu speed is my laptop running now07:10
tolstoynoneus, gunzip will do that. but if it's a gzipped tar file, then tar can handle it.07:11
cugacat /proc/cpuinfo is where i'd look07:11
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rviranihow do I install fluxbox with synaptic07:11
rviraniits not there07:11
rviraniI tried a search..07:11
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psyklopsit might be in universe07:12
psyklopsin fact I'm pretty sure of that...07:12
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rviraniI added universe07:12
psyklopsoh...07:13
cugarvirani, its there, are you sure you apt-get update after uncommenting the universe lines?07:13
rviranithere is a fluxconf07:13
rviranibut no fluxbox07:14
rviranicuga, yeah people told me to use synaptic but I did add the two universe...07:14
cugatry on cml , apt-cache search fluxbox07:14
arun--cpuinfo always says 598.201. but the model name is Intel.....pentium M .... 1600MHz07:14
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cugaarun--, prolly means its stepping down07:14
rviranicml?07:15
cugarvirani, command line07:15
cugaterminal07:15
rviranino fluxbox07:15
cugado apt-get update07:15
rviraniyeah I like the command line better but they said synaptic, I didnt know synaptic made calls to apt07:15
arun--cuga: so if i do something cpu intensive, then it should go above that 598.201 ?07:15
adoyretsamonwhat is the first line of '/etc/apt/sources.list07:15
rviranicuga, I did07:15
adoyretsamonor rather by default after an install07:15
cugaarun--, i'm not an intel speedstep guy so im not sure, but I would assume it would, try compiling a kernel see what it does07:16
rviranideb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview powerpc Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted07:16
arun--cuga: thank you07:16
adoyretsamoncool07:16
rviranithats the first line07:16
adoyretsamonthanks07:16
psyklopsdo something cpu intensive and checking again07:16
psyklops(my grammar is being good not)07:16
rviraniso anyways07:16
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rviranicuga, what do you recommend07:16
cugarvirani, i'd take out those cdrom locations for starters07:17
adoyretsamonrvirani, what type of Mac are you using?07:17
arun--cuga: just starting the synaptic raised that figure to 1196.402 :)  thank you again07:17
cuganice07:17
rviraniadoyretsamon, ibook07:17
adoyretsamoncool07:17
rvirani12.1 1ghz07:17
adoyretsamoni have old powerbook07:18
adoyretsamon200mhz07:18
cugai'd love an ibook07:18
rviraniwith ubuntu I cant get my right click to map07:18
adoyretsamon48mb ram07:18
nanotechok, i'm getting these "install recursive" errors...when i run make and make install07:18
rviraniit doesnt work07:18
rviranicuga, its pretty nice07:18
adoyretsamonrunning yellowdog07:18
rviraniI also have a dell laptop07:18
adoyretsamonpos07:18
Dragoon|Mattwill Wine work on Ubuntu?07:18
adoyretsamoni use a dell lt too07:18
nanotechir run them with the sudo command...so that allieviates all the permissions probs07:18
rviraniyellow dog heh, I stay away from anything that is rpm based.07:18
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rviranicuga, soo .... fluxbox....07:18
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rviranimy dell is three times faster than my ibook :D07:19
tolstoyrpm based isn't that bad, now that they have apt-get, or yum.07:19
cugarvirani, put these in your sources.list07:19
adoyretsamonrvirani, it was the only Linux i could get to work in under 48mb07:19
cugadeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted07:19
cugadeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted07:19
rviraniI got the ibook cause of the ... form factor07:19
cugaand also07:19
arun--anybody got their ati mobility radeon 7500 work with the binay fglrx driver? currently my card runs on the radeon driver provided by xfree86 and it supports 3 d well, (tux racer runs fine)07:19
rviraniadoyretsamon, ubuntu wont isntall07:19
adoyretsamonhave not had time to try07:19
rviraniadoyretsamon, you could probably do gentoo07:19
adoyretsamonbut certainly will07:19
cuga deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe07:19
cuga deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe07:19
adoyretsamonyea07:19
cugaand for security updates, add07:19
adoyretsamonsystem is sloooooowwww07:19
cugadeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted07:19
cugadeb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted07:19
cugaif you dont already have em all07:20
cugaand comment out the cdrom lines07:20
rviraniccug thanks dude07:20
nanotechcan someone plz help? what are these install recursive errors when i try to run make install?07:20
rviranicuga, still nothing07:20
rviranioh07:21
rviraniis that a new line?07:21
rviranicuga, can you just pm me07:21
rviranior email me the file07:21
rviranithanx cuga07:21
nanotechi serious about learning  how to install shit on linux...but i'm in the dark...07:21
Dragoon|MattAnyone know if Wine will work with Ubuntu?07:22
adoyretsamonnanotech, using synaptic would be easy for you07:22
nanotechit's not in the universe07:22
nanotechand i don't want to rely on it07:22
elljaycuga; what's the debian apt source for things like xine , etc?07:23
elljayanyone know if i'm running in amd64 mode if 32bit binaries will function?07:23
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nevynelljay: executables yes.. kernel modules no.07:24
kuruok, soo... i'm on debian unstable. Going to ubuntu would be going back, not ahead, right?07:24
cugaelljay, if you just uncomment the 2 lines that are for universe, you have access to the unstable snapshot of debian when warty was released, im sure it'll have what you looking for07:24
kuruin terms of versions of packages, etc.07:24
nanotechwhat does "make[3] : *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop." mean?07:25
arun--elljay: synaptix is much easier07:25
arun--try it07:25
kuruand btw, ubuntu.. i am very impressed.07:25
kurufinally, someone figured out what to do with the raw power of debian.07:25
arun--ubuntu is great, except for the radeon drivers, but that is not ubuntus fault07:25
kuruwell, my experience is simple.07:26
cugaarun--, I got the ati drivers workign fine07:26
cugagetting pretty good framerate07:26
kuruI had winxp on the reception's desk07:26
arun--cuga: what is your card model?07:26
cuga9600XT07:26
adoyretsamonmy ati with 64mb works great07:26
kurui said, screw this, and burned the ubuntu iso07:26
kuruinstalled.07:26
adoyretsamoni can play tuxracer fine07:26
adoyretsamon=)07:26
kurugot gnome running, got the hp deskjet 3350 working, on the network. updated security updates.07:27
arun--cuga: anyidea about mobility 7500? i tried but when i did the modrpobe fglrx, it complained cannot load, no such device or something like it07:27
kurudownloaded some extra fonts for the guy sitting there reading his news in malayalam07:27
kurudone.07:27
kurudidn't really have to do anything07:27
cugaarun--, thought the 7500's were supported by the kernel drivers now ? i might be mistaken07:27
arun--yes it is, the radeon drivers,07:28
cugahave you tryed thos? or are you just trying the official ati's?07:28
arun--cuga: but the problem is the GPU is always running at full power, so even if i open a couple of browsers, the fan starts, cos the GPU runs at full power07:28
LucidVisionskuru: ive been using deb/unstable for the past 2 years,and im almost done downloading ubuntu,im gonna install in a while and im already drooling07:29
LucidVisionswhat made you switch?07:29
cugamy tuxracer has no sound ?!!, says no available audio device but all other apps are using sound fine... hrmmm07:30
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arun--cuga: i am currently running under radeonfb.ko module without much problems, except it runs in full throttle and my fan is constatnly running, i thought if i can switch to the fglrx driver to test the performance07:31
arun--cuga: and test the fan07:31
cugaarun--, ahh makes sense07:32
cugaarun--, yeah im definatly going nvidia next vid card07:32
arun--cuga: the ati drivers are ok for windows, but totally sux in linux, may get better, but ati doesnt support the open source world much i guess07:33
arun--cuga: but i also read somewhere that the Xorg server has better support for ati cards, i am not sure,07:33
arun--cuga: i am not an expert to install xorg and switch07:34
cugaarun--, well they made a statement that they are pushing their linux driver efforts to the limit now, they wanna get better drivers, i expect by start of next year they'll have a solid set out07:34
arun--cuga: may be i will wait untill ubuntu releases the next oficial version for xorg and may be a mini howto to switch from xfree :)07:34
cugawell next release will be built on xorg from what I understand so won't be hard at all ;)07:35
arun--cuga: hopefully they do :) i just the thinkpad 10 months ago, i dont want to switch to another lappy because of the video card07:35
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cugaarun--, yeah, would suck bigtime07:36
rviraniAnyone know how to get showkeys to return a number instead of hex, I need to keymap my second and third mouse buttons to the keyboard07:37
rviranibbias07:38
rviranihold replies pls07:38
cugaanybody know how i can get a version of mplayer that will run on mplayer?07:41
cugaerr i mean play on ubuntu07:42
cugaones for sid now have alot of deps not in warty07:42
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elljaydoh my a64 ubuntu install keeps freezing07:43
elljaywhile i'm listening to audio07:43
elljaystupid bleeding edge software07:43
elljayi blame alsa ! ;)07:43
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Erixhi07:54
tolstoytime and date settings says to "enable ntp", but doesn't say how.07:54
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cugaHey, weird thing going on with my alsa, I have no /dev/mixer ... seems odd, apps like mplayer spit out warnings about it not being there all the time, what installs dev/mixer?07:55
tolstoyIs there something in particular I have to install for the applet to enable NTP support?07:56
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tolstoyntpdate is there, but the applet doesn't seem to recognize it.07:56
aarnemHi all.07:56
Dragoon|MattAnyone know anything about installing WINE on ubuntu?07:57
thoreauputictolstoy, try sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart07:58
arun--cuga: i dont think all sound cards support "mixer"07:58
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cugaarun--, it was their when i was on deb07:58
thoreauputictolstoy, and do you have default ntpdate servers set up?07:58
cugaarun--, using same kernel config as when i was on deb07:58
tolstoythoreauputic, it says "synchronizing", but I still can't click the checkbox in the applet.07:58
tolstoythoreauputic, I've just got "ntp" and "ntpdate" installed.  Not, say, "ntp-simple".07:59
arun--cuga: when you do a lsmod do you see this snd_mixer_oss07:59
thoreauputictolstoy, hmm - I don't really know then - I just use ntpdate from a terminal without the daemon, and alias it to "t" (lazy I guess)08:00
cugaarun--, yep08:00
tolstoythoreauputic, and on my laptop, I've got ntp-simple, and ntp-server, which was a flail for the first time this didn't work.  Works on the laptop now, though.08:00
aarnemI upgraded from debian Woody to ubuntu yesterday. Most of things worked, but i have some package problem with hal. I get following error during all kind of package manipulations.  Setting up hal (0.2.98-1ubuntu9) ...08:01
aarnem * Restarting system message bus...08:01
aarnemrun-parts: unrecognized option `-a'08:01
aarnemTry `run-parts --help' for more information.08:01
aarneminvoke-rc.d: initscript dbus-1, action "restart" failed.08:01
tolstoythoreauputic, Ah. Don't set your gnome-panel clock to do it for you (ie, even lazier)!08:01
aarnemdpkg: error processing hal (--configure):08:01
aarnem subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 108:01
aarnemCan you help me out with that?08:01
thoreauputictolstoy, you might need to specify some IPs for it to look for? Public ntp servers?08:01
tolstoythoreauputic, that's what you do *after* to click the synchronize checkbox.  Do you have it there on your panel?08:01
thoreauputictolstoy, I'm on debian and using fluxbox :/08:02
tolstoyah08:02
thoreauputicsorry08:02
cugai have /dev/mixer now and the permissons are right on it, but when apps try and use it, they spit out this08:02
cugaALSA lib control.c:654:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL /dev/mixer 89%08:02
cugaalsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: No such file or directory08:02
arun--cuga: check the permisions on /dev/mixer08:02
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cugaarun--, i get 777 to test, same thing08:03
cugaget =gave08:03
tolstoythoreauputic, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=141808:04
thoreauputictolstoy, taking forever to  load here08:05
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stuNNedhow do i list contenets of an installed .deb?08:06
tolstoywell, in a nutshell, the developers decided there should be no listeners by default. You have to install ntp-simple.08:06
tolstoydpkg -c <file>, I think.08:07
thoreauputictolstoy, I see08:07
tolstoystuNNed, or do you mean one that's already installed?08:07
stuNNedtolstoy, yes08:07
cugaahh my problem is a bug in mplayer from what i gather googling, fixed in cvs08:07
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tolstoystuNNed, hm. Maybe dpkg -L <deb-name>08:08
cugahrmm... i have no /dev/dsp either...08:08
tolstoystuNNed, another useful one: given a file on your system, which package does it belong to?  dpkg -S /path/to/file08:09
stuNNedtolstoy, ok, appreciate it08:10
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cugathere we go08:10
cugaforgot to modprobe snd-pcm-oss08:10
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cugaso far im liking ubuntu08:14
cugawhat is the purpose of /srv thos?08:15
mburnsUbuntu has a much cleaner feel to it. Good step in the way of desktop linux.08:15
mburnsHow are things like plug-and-play and automounting usb keys and cameras and other peripherals?08:15
Gmaili am not going to get over how stupid this guy is even in a few years!!!!08:16
Gmail"Source based distro historically always = more packages because there is too much competition between binary distros. There is simply no standard Linux binary package. As a result, source based distros like Gentoo update their repos sooner because it doesn't require as much work. Source is source."08:16
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cugahaha08:16
Gmailthat guy must of been the biggest moron which said that08:16
mburnsthat... doesn't make.... my head hurts.08:16
Gmailmburns: my head hurts too08:16
Gmailhttp://funroll-loops.org/08:17
mburnssome people should just be banned from person-to-person communication.08:17
tolstoyinteresting.  dragging to the "trash applet" in hoary doesn't work.08:18
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jacobIsn't there a plugin for the "msmpeg" in Totem?08:19
mburnsare there patches for the CLI(rm, etc) to use the trash bin the same way the GUI does?08:19
GmailROTFL08:20
Gmail"Quite simply: yes. Yes Debian, you are losing people to Gentoo. But... Why is this happening? Because you are old, and your stable tree is older than me. We have Portage, we have a source compilation unstable version. We are the cutting edge, and Debian has to realize this. There is a hierarchery of distributions, and right now Gentoo is at the top. There will always be Slackware, because it's always been there. Debian will remain in second place to the l08:20
Gmaileading distro, and they'll always be wondering: "Why? Why are we losing users to (insert distro name here)?" Because you don't innovate. Sure, you're good. But theres usually something better. Live with it."08:20
jdubdudes08:21
jduboff-topic stuff elsewhere please08:21
Gmaildebian is losing people to ubuntu so is: gentoo, fedora, winblows, manbrake..... sorry08:21
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jason_errr08:21
Gmailyes?08:21
jason_why doesn't ubuntu or debian use .xinitrc08:21
jason_files08:21
Rene_SIts all Linux so what does it matter ?08:22
mburns.xinitrc ?08:22
thoreauputicjason_: use .xsession08:22
jason_kk08:22
jason_ty08:22
jdubjason_: depends on which method you're using to start X, try .xinitrc or .xsession (i generally symlinked back when I used those)08:22
mburnsI want to see an ncurses based distro.08:22
jason_there is nothing in my .xsession08:23
jason_in my home dir08:23
mburnsor a way to boot into an ncurses text user interface similar to a Gnome-like GUI08:23
jason_I want to add in the follow08:23
thoreauputicjason_: no, you have to make it yourself, if that's how you startx08:23
jason_/usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5"08:23
Dragoon|Matthow do I get wine on ubuntu?  or will it even work?08:24
jason_add the universe repository08:24
jason_download it via apt08:24
Dragoon|Matthow do I add the universe repository? new to linux08:24
izreomve the # in the sources.list08:24
jason_it will tell you what to do in the sources.list file in /etc/apt/08:25
izsudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list08:25
jason_sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list08:25
izsave with :wq08:25
jason_or what he said08:25
jason_nano is easier08:25
tolstoyDragoon|Matt, Or use synaptic and find the "repositories" tab.08:26
thoreauputiciz: he's new to linux - vi will intimidate him08:26
izjason_, :)08:26
izthoreauputic, yup your right08:26
tolstoyInteresting. I copied my old .evolution to the new install, and evolution still prompts me for account info. Hm.08:27
tolstoyAnd dies after i select my time zone.08:28
Gmailohhh this is a must and the last one08:30
Gmail"I know how much everyone here loves optimized software. This is why I was surprised to read today on the GNOME mailing list that Ubuntu is taking advantage of some optimization opportunities that I think Gentoo is missing out on."08:30
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stuNNedtolstoy, `apt-get remove evolution && apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird` ? ;)08:31
thoreauputicGmail:  gentoosmite me08:32
thoreauputic* dpkg spends 6 weeks recompiling thoreauputic, and when it's all done, thoreauputic runs 0.4% faster than previously08:32
tolstoystuNNed, well, that's one solution. but I like the calender.  Weird that it doesn't work.  Works on my work workstation.08:32
Gmailthoreauputic: but from run daily i run 75% faster so in your face08:33
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Gmail*thats 75% faster daily from the day before08:33
stuNNedtolstoy, tried mozilla sunbird calendaring project?  quite new but i hear has promise08:34
tolstoystuNNed, yeap, tried it.08:35
stuNNedtolstoy, how'd it go?08:35
tolstoyI like that I can shut down evo, and STILL be reminded of my appts.08:35
tolstoyWell, it worked fine, I guess.  I loaded it up on ICS stuff from the web. Fun.08:35
sertmannquick question to be on the safe side; if i've compiled a custom kernel-package (to include bootsplash & intify) and made a deb package with "make-kpkg buildpackage -rev Custom.1 kernel_image" will it overwrite the old one if/when i install it?08:36
sertmannboth new and old are 2.6.8.108:37
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Rachethi08:41
elmayaany1 knows why xmms never remembers my skin selection ?08:41
Gmaillook gentoo new home page: http://www.gentoo.org/images/wwwcontest/contest1_front.png and to think they care about speed08:42
Racheti downloaded xvid, but how do i install it ? cant find it on synaptic08:42
Rachetsome help me find it =)08:42
jdubGmail: dude, no more. off-topic stuff elsewhere.08:42
Gmailwith all that flash crap that site will take 10min to render in a gentoo-firefox08:43
Gmailsorry08:43
Rachethelp me please ?08:43
Rachetits just  a little thing08:43
thoreauputicGmail: are you obsessive at all  ? ;)08:43
Rachethi some one ?08:44
magnetogmail - i just left gentoo for ubuntu  but i think youre exaggerating08:44
magnetohey rachet08:44
cugaRachet, have you tryed downloading w32codecs?08:44
Rachetbut its xvid for linux i think08:44
magnetorachet - go to /etc/apt/sources.list and enable universe08:45
Racheti i got universe but i can do it08:45
tolstoydon't you have to add another repo to get the w32codecs?  It's on the wiki somewhere.08:46
magnetoalso try aptget.org08:46
cuganope w32codecs are in universal08:46
cugai just got them like 10 minutes ago08:46
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Rachethow do i enable universal ?08:46
cugaerr maybe not , i had already added a source... disregard what i said, it prolly came from other source08:47
tolstoyhm. when I apt-cache search w32codecs: nothing.08:47
tolstoyyeah.08:47
magnetoadd universal to the ubuntu.org lines in sources.list08:47
tolstoyRachet, you can do it in synaptic.  Just click the checkbox from the repostories menu.08:47
Rachetkk tell me08:48
stuNNedmagneto, hi, think it's 'universe', no?08:48
magnetomy bad08:48
Rachetnow i got universe08:49
stuNNedi.e. something like: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe08:49
Rachetwhere is xvid08:49
jason_you need w32codecs08:49
Rachetwhere is that ?08:49
magnetorachet- in synaptics - go to the settings menu08:49
jason_you need an extra repository08:49
Gmailthoreauputic: hu? magneto: exaggerating?08:49
jason_the address is in the wiki08:50
RachetMagneto : its done i got universe08:50
jason_no08:50
jason_it isnt in universe08:50
Racheti didnt say that08:50
Racheti just said that i got it08:50
stuNNedmultiverse ?08:50
jason_no you need the url08:51
jason_sec Ill get it08:51
tolstoyhttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats08:51
magnetook rachet:  go here http://www1.apt-get.org/index.php?query=w32&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i38608:51
magnetorachet: you can add this to your sources list        deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main08:52
stuNNedisn't alot of that stuff now in 'multiverse' repo?08:52
cugamagneto, unstable be better since unstable is what ubuntu is based on08:53
Racheti add this : ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/   ??08:53
magnetocuga - the codecs are probably the same - no?08:54
cugaprobably, but never know08:54
cuganerim.net has unstable branch too so couldn't hurt08:54
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Rachetok thn ?08:54
magnetorachet: then   apt-get install w32codecs08:55
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Racheti dont have w32codecs08:56
Xethornhi08:56
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cenerentolaciao08:58
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cenerentolai've got a problem with grub...08:59
NebuWhenever I open a file with totem movie player, it crashes. Can anyone help me with this?08:59
Xethornexplain08:59
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cenerentolait doesnt recognize one distribution...08:59
michael315what r u opening08:59
NebuI've tried mp3s, mpgs, WMV. They all cause it to crash.08:59
NebuI tried opening the same mp3 with XMMS and it works fine there. I don't have a different movie player to test the other files with.09:00
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cenerentolaxethorn: ive got one warty on /dev/hda7 [the ones not recognized]  and an hoary on /hda809:00
Xethornstrange ...09:01
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cenerentolathe hoary has got is /boot partition... the warty doesnt09:01
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cenerentolamoreover the hoary now is not collaborating: gdm doesnt work09:02
tolstoyman, evolution is totally messed up in hoary.09:02
michael315Nebu: I see the prob. Tried the same ones with xine, they play fine. I have the win32 codecs installed also. Maybe try another?09:02
NebuMichael: I didn't understand. You want me to try another what?09:03
cenerentolaand it keeps trying to run it so its a never ending loop of x-starting-gdm crashing/x-crashing/x-restarting09:03
cenerentolahow can i stop the x server?09:04
cenerentolaxethorn: what should i use in the grub menu.lst09:04
cenerentolaand how about stopping the x server?09:05
Xethorn@Nebu : tried > apt-get install totem-xine09:07
NebuXethorn: I get an error message (which I will copy in a moment)09:08
NebuXethorn: Package totem-xine is not available, but is referred to by another package.09:08
NebuXethorn: This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or09:08
Nebuis only available from another source09:08
Xethornstrange09:08
Xethornhum09:08
michael315Is universe enabled in your sources?09:09
NebuMichael: I don't know how to find out.09:09
Xethornif they are any others solutions, read that http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-130623.html and try to compile mplayer09:09
izNebu, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list09:10
izand remove the #09:10
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michael315then run apt-get update & then try for xine xine-ui09:10
izdeFrysk, morguh09:10
Nebumichael: I'd type "apt-get install xine xine-ui"?09:11
deFryskmogh09:11
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cenerentolaiz: can you help me with grub09:12
cenerentoladefrysk: and you?09:12
izcenerentola, whats the problem?09:13
cenerentolaive installed hoary and now ivent got the other warty grub's entry anymore09:13
cenerentolaim trying to correct grub0s menu.lst by hand but it says image not found... or sth like that09:14
izhow do you do that?09:14
cenerentolafrom the shell...09:14
izby editing menu.lst?09:14
cenerentolayes09:14
cenerentolamind that hoary's x server's not working09:14
izhow many hd's?09:14
cenerentola109:14
izhuh09:15
michael315Nebu: yes09:15
izand it will not boot?09:15
cenerentolatell me the right string i should use...09:15
NebuWhen I try to install totem-xine, it says it has to remove ubuntu-desktop as part of the process. That sort of sounds dangerous to me...09:15
cenerentolawarty's on hda709:15
deFryskNebu, its not afaIk09:15
cenerentolahoary's on hda8 and its boot should be on hda909:15
PizbitNebu: It's fine09:15
cenerentolapizbit: thk god ure here..09:16
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PizbitWhich one?09:16
cenerentolaiz: any clue?09:16
izmoment09:16
cenerentolaroman?09:16
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cenerentolazeus?09:16
izi386?09:16
michael315Its just a small package, I have done that, no damage09:16
cenerentolaiz: yes09:16
dougskwhat is being used for startup to get the pretty [ok]  messages?09:17
izim running the amd64 version09:17
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cenerentolathe hd handling should be quite the same09:17
izsure09:17
izcan your paste your menu.lst in a private msg09:18
cenerentolano.. im not on that computer09:18
iz:)09:18
cenerentolai told you that the gui's not working09:18
izuse mcedit09:19
cenerentolaiz: if you tell how can i stop the xserver from trying to start ill09:19
izapt-get install mc09:19
izkill gdm09:19
tolstoygrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.  this evolution bomb is BAD BAD BAD! ;--)09:19
izalt f209:19
izwhgen you in a shell then ps -A09:19
izand kill gdm09:19
cenerentolayeah...09:19
cenerentolaif ill be put in a shell...09:20
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cenerentolaalt f309:20
cenerentola...alt f2 doesnt work09:21
izsorry09:21
dougskcenerentola, I think it's missing a ctrl09:21
izctrl alt f209:21
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Pizbittolstoy: Evolution bomb?09:22
NebuOkay, totem isn't crashing anymore, but it's just displaying a blue screen instead of the video image. Where can I go for some codecs?09:22
PizbitNebu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats09:23
deFryskNebu, sometimes shutting totem down and restarting it helps09:23
PizbitSkip down to the questionable packages part09:23
tolstoyPizbit, i updated to hoary *before* starting evo for the first time, now I can't get past account set up, even when I copy .evolution from my old installation.09:23
PizbitAh09:23
PizbitSilly people trying hoary so soon09:23
deFryskPizbit, hoary runs fine here ;)09:24
PizbitdeFrysk: The amount of people with problems, aye aye aye:)09:24
tolstoyWell, I'm running it on another machine and it works.09:24
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tolstoyExcept on that machine, I already had a working evolution with warty.09:24
Xethornsomebody have ever try gdesklets under ubuntu ?09:25
cenerentolaxethorn: they work greatly09:25
michael315Nebu http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/codecs.html I usually download the "all"09:26
Xethornit gives me an error <_<09:26
Xethorndid you compile or used the .deb ?09:26
Xethorn* by apt09:26
Pizbitapt-get09:26
Xethornstrange09:27
Xethornyou just put : apt-get install gdesklets ?09:27
Pizbitmichael315: The restricted formats shows how to get the w32codecs package09:27
PizbitXethorn: Did you get the data package too?09:27
linux_galoreubuntu is getting there but its not perfect yet also they have daily iso releases so if you post a bug its usually fixed within a week09:27
PizbitXethorn: You know how they work right?09:27
Xethornno :(09:27
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Xethorni installed it for the first time09:28
Xethornand when i tried to start it09:28
Xethornnothing happend09:28
Xethornbut i try again09:28
cenerentolaiz:09:28
cenerentolaim bacl09:28
cenerentola...back09:29
Xethornwell09:29
cenerentolatell me what you want to hear09:29
Xethorn09:27:25) Vinc' - /!\ Le dimanche je bosse /!\: enfin il est install, mais il demarre pas correctement09:29
Xethorn(09:27:31) Vinc' - /!\ Le dimanche je bosse /!\: faudra que je demande sur des forums09:29
PizbitXethorn: I'm pasting something into a link, I'll show ya09:29
Xethorni'm not the one who have a prob with it09:29
linux_galoreIve got ubuntu working fine on my old P3 600 machine... makes me want to cry after I forked out for a new P409:29
Xethornthanks Pizbit09:29
Pizbithttp://www.pastebin.com/11540609:30
frederiklinux_galore: I'm impressed how "fast" it is on this PIII 50009:30
frederiklinux_galore: I still don't really know if it's GNOME that got faster or ...09:30
linux_galorefrederik: PIII 600  works fine  no lag really09:30
PizbitGnome has a bit09:30
Xethornthanks :)09:30
Xethorni try09:31
PizbitAhh, tv time:)09:31
PizbitXethorn: Makes sense now?09:31
Xethornno09:31
Xethorni'm go to :p09:31
frederikBut Firefox is a problem09:31
PizbitXethorn: You have to add the .Display files first09:31
frederikFirefox is by far too slow09:31
linux_galorefrederik: yeah Ive got a pile of PIII machines might put Ubuntu on them all and hand them to the staff09:31
PizbitOr afterwards, but either way you gota add them before you see anything09:31
Xethornok09:31
PizbitRead my links, anyway *gone*09:31
frederikI tried to built galeon using the webcore port from the tla archive, but it didn't work and I didn't feel like hacking around09:32
linux_galoreanyone tried Ubuntu on a PII got a PII laptop09:32
frederikbut the simple example browser worked fine09:33
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mdzlinux_galore: yes09:33
frederiklinux_galore: I'd suppose memory would be more of a limit than CPU power?!09:33
NebuOkay, it looks like movie playing works now. Thanks a lot!09:34
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frederiklinux_galore: I have 320 MB of RAM in this P3-box, but most PCs from that time (it's about five years old) will have about 128 MB09:35
linux_galorefrederik: well I have 3 of the things two not working and the third one I fixed by swapping the keyboard over from one of the faulty units I have also swapped all the ram out from the other laptops and it now has 192mb09:35
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linux_galoreshould be enough to try ubuntu09:36
stuNNedlinux_galore, can always http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LowEndSystemSupport09:37
linux_galorelol @ 192mb being low end09:38
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linux_galoreall the drone machines we now buy at work are 512mb now..09:39
magnetofrederik: i got firefox 1.0pre cuz 0.93 was crashing alot on me09:39
linux_galoregives 9 thumbs up out of 10 fore firefox09:40
magnetoits fast - im p4 2ghz with 256mb ram09:40
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linux_galoreI out xfce4 on a P4 2.4ghz  funny to watch it load in 3 seconds09:41
linux_galoreput*09:41
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magnetoif u want faster apt-get install links09:41
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magnetolinux_galore: try openbox lol09:41
magneto1 second09:41
magnetoi thought x crashed at first09:42
magnetobut i right clicked and got a menu09:42
frederikmagneto: hehe, links can't really compete with firefox ;)09:42
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linux_galoreI tried BB on a P3 1.1Ghz  boots to the desktop in a fraction of the time it takes to start X itself...its pretty funny all the apps work like they have a turbo on them09:42
magnetoit sure can when u dont have a video card lol09:42
lucas_cenerentola: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst by hand and re-add the missing entry09:42
linux_galoreBB = black box09:42
frederikmagneto: I put quite some hope into that webcore porting effort. It still wouldn't give a browser for lowend systems, but at least I wouldn't think my net connection's to slow when using this computer09:43
magnetolinux_galore - i just started with ubuntu and performance wise this beats the hell out of emerging openoffice for 14 hours etc gnome kde09:43
magnetofrederik compile an old netscape or mozilla?09:44
frederikmagneto: hehe, it's not >that< bad09:44
linux_galoremagneto: yeah I tried building a custom version of OOo with kde widgets took me over 5 hours on a Dual Xeon 1.4Ghz..last time I will do that09:45
frederikmagneto: old mozilla versions where even slower and an old netscape wouldn't render most pages right09:45
linux_galoreIve noticed mozilla has come a long way in the last 3 years09:45
magnetolinux_galore: ive been using gentoo- my system had some bugs so during the install i hit some errors and changed to ubuntu09:45
frederikmagneto: normally I was using elinks for viewing all the news pages etc I was visiting normally09:46
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frederikmagneto: the ubuntu installation here is pretty "fresh", maybe I should install elinks ....09:46
magnetofrederik: hdparm? kernel? prelink?09:46
linux_galoreI like the Ubuntu UI/Theme its very clean.......Im not even changing anything thats a first for me i usually change everything09:47
tolstoyIs there a way to install an earlier package using apt-get?09:47
magnetolinux_galore: remember last time netscape stole IE marketshare?09:47
frederikmagneto: yeah, I changed some settings with hdparm, but I didn't get to compile a new kernel yet and I forgot about using prelinking09:47
frederikmagneto: which actually gave me some pretty good results on another machine, so I should really go with it, thanks09:47
magnetoprelink mozilla should be lightning09:47
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linux_galoremagneto: sheeesh think I was still using Turbo Pascal09:47
linux_galoreback then lol09:47
magnetoand shouldnt take that long either09:47
magnetolol09:48
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magneto1996 199709:48
magnetoim gettin old09:48
frederikthe hdparm settings after a fresh install were horrible09:48
linux_galoreto be honest all I remember of 95-99 was damn it crashed reboot..........damn it crashed reboot09:48
magnetofrederik- compiling drivers into your kernel and ck sources will speed up your system too09:49
stuNNedanyone tried icewm that ships with ubuntu?09:49
magnetolol09:49
magnetona stunned- i installed openbox but i hadnt got a chance to use it09:49
stuNNedmagneto, wonder if they have the menus setup already09:50
magneto95-99 i went from not knowing sh!t to working in IT09:50
frederikand I don't really understand why ubuntu does install a full blown MTA09:50
magnetostunned: probably not09:50
magnetomaybe a default09:50
linux_galoreIve never liked icewm and i tried really hard to like it09:50
stuNNedsure is popular or gets alot of press, one or the two09:51
magnetoi like openbox but i dig gnome and its so fast now i might stick with gnome2.809:51
linux_galorefrederik: average joe blow cant manage a full blown MTA09:51
b_e_n_zfrederik, postfix is a replacement for the buggy sendmail09:51
linux_galorealso evolution is going the way of becoming a full blown MTA with a UI09:52
magnetoi think they do it for the internal mail usage for sudo etc09:52
frederikb_e_n_z: yeah, right, but why have any full MTA on a desktop-centric system?09:52
magnetoevolution is the size of a few full blown things09:52
linux_galorelol09:52
linux_galore<-- uses mutt09:52
frederiklinux_galore: me too09:52
tolstoymagneto, and it doesn't work in hoary! ;)09:52
b_e_n_zfrederik, inheritance from debian?09:53
Elwoodi have added a module in my kernel config..i need a full recompile or just a make modules?09:53
magnetoexactly frederik - but ubuntu has an excuse - they are just beginning09:53
linux_galoremutt = allows you to do evil things to email mwahahah09:53
frederikb_e_n_z: yes, right, but I think that should really change09:53
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jdubfrederik: because when the system sends mail, it needs to go somewhere09:53
magnetoelwood - you could add it to your system without changing the kernel09:53
jdubfrederik: postfix is very minimal for a complete mta09:54
jdubthe benefit of using a real mta is that you can scale up quickly, with full system integration09:54
Elwoodmagneto, just make modules and modules_install?09:54
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linux_galoreneed an easy mta with good spamassin support with a friendly UI09:55
frederikjdub: 'k09:55
magnetoelwood- you could copy the drivers and edit the file in etc/modules.conf or09:55
jdublinux_galore: which can be done very easily with postfix09:55
linux_galorejdub: sure can09:55
frederikjdub: I have no experience with postfix, exim's my MTA of choice, but postfix is pretty modular, isn't it?09:55
Elwoodmagneto,  is one of the modules of the kernel, it's not external09:56
jdubfrederik: yes09:56
magnetoelwood - you can make && make_modules09:56
linux_galoreplayed with postfix but prefers exim09:56
magnetook then jsut do ^^09:56
magnetomake && make modules_install09:56
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Elwooddamn i need to recompile all the otheres09:56
magnetothen copy /usr/src/linux/arch/yourarch/boot/bzImage to /boot and modify /boot/grub/menu.lst09:57
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Elwoodmagneto,  i know this..thanks09:57
magnetosorry09:58
magnetowhat driver is it09:58
magnetou sure u cant inject it09:58
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Elwoodmagneto,  nsl.. the "problem" is that now i had to recompile winmodem and nvidia's drivers09:58
Elwoodmagneto,  just bornig :P09:58
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Elwoodmagneto,  nls support09:58
udohello, spamassassin sux, successrate is much to low .. how do i exchange it with spambayes???09:59
magnetolol - elwood: you should have seen me tryin to compile mplayer with my kernel dying with swap errors09:59
magnetoi uninstalled installed gcc about 12 times09:59
linux_galoresomeone just posted this short cartoon to me its funny its about Linux in a good way -> http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/04oct/uf007211.gif10:00
Elwoodmagneto, welcom in da club !10:00
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linux_galorelol10:00
magnetolol @ amanda10:01
magnetonetbackup for paupers and nerds10:01
magnetolol10:01
linux_galoreup there with putting Debian on a PA-RISC diskless terminal....wonder if I can get ubuntu on it lol10:01
magnetolinux_galore=nerd ;)10:01
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magneto4am here talking about installing debian on risc boxes my life sucks lol10:02
linux_galorehey if your not losing hair because its stuffing up its not worth the hassle10:02
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magnetoelwood: you had mplayer issues too?10:03
linux_galoreUbuntu because sometime you just want to let your hair grow  lol10:03
AlohaWolfUbuntu impressed me, im preparing right now to switch to it from Mandrake10:03
magnetolol10:03
Elwoodmagneto,  not yet10:03
ElwoodAlohaWolf,  this is an happy news10:03
linux_galoreUbuntu used by 9 out of ten recovering Gentoo users10:04
AlohaWolfLOL10:04
stuNNedlol10:04
Elwooduahuaah10:04
thoreauputichaha @ linux_galore10:04
magnetoelwood: oh ok  ubuntu didnt like my ck kernel and i discovered a swap bug that ck had10:04
magnetoLOL linux_galore10:04
Elwoodck..i am using 2.6.8.110:04
magnetoet tu?10:04
magneto2.6.8.1cko810:05
magnetobut now im using ubuntu sources10:05
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magnetoi couldnt compile mplayer using my other kernel10:05
linux_galoreIve well and truly given up with 2.6.8-come_on_work_you_*^%$ and gome with 2.6.910:06
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linux_galoregone10:06
magnetolinux_galore: i was waiting for moxilla-firefox to compile along with openoffice and said hey i can install ubuntu- 30 minutes later i felt better10:06
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mojo_hi there10:06
mojo_I need some help with 'ls' command10:06
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linux_galoremagneto:  Ubuntu because even geeks have a life    lol10:07
mojo_how to use 'ls' to list only filename, don't show any other info !10:07
mojo_??10:07
magnetolinux_galore: i never had issues until now- and the default ubuntu kernel killed my sound with irq issues so...........10:07
neonmojo_ : ls -la10:07
magnetomojo- ls10:07
neonif i remember10:07
neonlol ^^10:07
mojo_neon: -la also shows properties and other info10:07
thoreauputicmojo_: that's what ls does ??10:07
mojo_neon: I just want to show filename part10:08
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thoreauputicls by itself10:08
mojo_ls works with CLI but it dun work in ftp10:08
mojo_I want to ls all files in my FTP10:08
Elwoodmagneto,  from where?10:08
mojo_and export to a txt file10:09
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magnetolinux_galore: lol and why did u stop slacking? i got a bad vibe from drbob10:09
mojo_what 'ls' used in ftp to list only filename10:09
magnetomojo dir10:09
AlohaWolflinux_galore, Ubunto - Debian Made Easy!10:09
thoreauputicmojo_: try dir10:09
AlohaWolfo- u+10:09
mojo_not work with 'dir'10:09
linux_galoremagneto: well I have a Intel 648 based mobo and 2.6.8 was having IO issues but 2.8.9 was fine10:09
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AlohaWolf2.8.9?10:09
linux_galoreoops 2.6.910:10
linux_galoreheh heh made you blink10:10
thoreauputiclinux_galore: can I have a peek at your futuristic kernel? ;)10:10
magnetolinux_galore: i was in love with 2.6.8 until swap errors killed every app i ran lol10:10
magnetoElwood: ?10:10
calclinux_galore: intel, sure you don't mean SiS?10:10
Elwoodmagneto,  your spacial location in this world :)10:10
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linux_galorethoreauputic: it has the "Ha ha bill your history" patch10:11
linux_galorecalc: they do10:11
stuNNedlol10:11
magnetolol ohh atlanta10:11
thoreauputiclinux_galore: indeed :D10:11
magnetohotlanta10:11
magnetoatl10:11
linux_galorecalc: its the 645 with a better FSB for the ram10:11
magnetothe durty south10:11
Elwoodmagneto, good place?10:11
calclinux_galore: intel has no 6xx line10:11
calclinux_galore: you are talking about SiS :)10:11
linux_galoreno got the wrong number series10:12
calc845 and 848?10:12
stuNNedno yes yes no lol10:12
linux_galorehmm 845 sorry10:12
calcah :)10:12
magnetono beach - very rainbow friendly everyone is from elsewhere  shi#$y drivers cheap housing low cost of living good economy10:12
calcyea 848 is a derivative of the 865 series10:13
linux_galorewelcome to my world of lots of machines with different chipset numbers10:13
magnetoi have 845 chipset too! wow so much in common10:13
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magnetoelwood: overall atlanta is kinda nice10:13
=== AlohaWolf has a nforce2 chipset
linux_galoreIve even got a machine at work with SiS650 in it too bugger thats were I must have got the memory tick10:14
Elwoodmagneto, :)10:14
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magnetoim from los angeles and lived in ny for 10 years too- this is the best of the 310:14
magnetolinux_galore: were u ever into slackkware?10:14
linux_galoremagneto: I used Vector once thats about as close as I got10:15
magnetoohh10:15
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magnetolol at aloha in the lbc10:15
=== Elwood lives in a little city in the south of italy
magnetowow worldwide in here- ill trade u elwood lol10:16
AlohaWolfmagneto, actually I live in the OC10:16
BroomanChico, Cali in the house..w00t!10:16
linux_galorelives Bondi Beach10:16
magnetothen i feel sorry for u alohawolf10:16
magneto:)10:16
AlohaWolfmagneto, im less then a mile from long beach10:16
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magnetothen i resume feeling sorry for myself10:17
Broomanjdub?10:17
magnetochico? is that by pomona?10:17
Brooman2 hours n. of sac10:17
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magnetomaybe im thinkin chino10:18
AlohaWolfgot a question, whats the default first user number for a user under ubuntu is it 1000 like debian or 500 like all the RPM based Distros?10:18
linux_galorejdub Mr Gnome Release guy Mr I get paid for this isnt it amazing10:18
jolg100010:18
linux_galoreheh heh10:18
Broomanlol10:18
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magnetohad to more passwd10:19
magnetolol10:19
AlohaWolfis there an RPM tool in apt? I need to install the ATi drivers10:19
calcalien10:19
rbradAlohaWolf: you can chane it in /etc/login.defs10:19
linux_galoreAlohaWolf: alien10:19
calcthere are ati debs somewhere aiui though10:19
magnetoaloha rpm2tar10:19
magneto?10:19
rbradAlohaWolf: s/chane/change/10:20
Broomanthink they are called fglrx?10:20
linux_galorethere is a rpm2deb app running around10:20
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Lathiatits called alien10:20
Lathiatconverts most packages10:20
Elwoodbrrr alien10:20
linux_galoreLathiat: I know alien but thats not the only app Ive seen thats does that10:21
magnetomake menuconfig and make xconfig die on me despite having the apps installed they complain over10:21
Lathiatlinux_galore: Yes but its one that does it so who cares and just use it?10:21
magnetofinally10:21
AlohaWolfI need to install the ATi drivers so I can get Dual Heads going on my machine10:21
magnetowhat card aloha?10:22
AlohaWolfRadeon 920010:22
magnetodual is sweet- i use it with my 7500 m7 in my laptop10:22
AlohaWolfits supported by the ATi drivers10:22
BroomanAlohaWolf: try the fglrx drivers..should be in apt10:22
AlohaWolfalso, what version of X is it launching with 6.7 or 6.8?10:23
magnetoyeah fglrxconfig will set it up too no hassle10:23
BroomanAlohaWolf: ati's drivers crap out on 6.810:23
magneto4.310:23
magnetoohh that discussion10:23
BroomanAlohaWolf: they work ok for 6.710:23
magneto6.810:23
ElwoodAlohaWolf, and there are the faq in the wiki10:23
magneto6.7 is ok10:23
magnetoany of u using xorg in ubuntu?10:24
AlohaWolfthats what I was asking does ubuntu use xorg or 4.3.*10:24
Elwoodmagneto,  i am waiting the release of deb but i used on my sid10:24
Broomanheh..im a gentoo guy offering support in ubuntu..whats the world coming to?10:24
magneto4.310:25
AlohaWolfcoolies10:25
magnetothats what i thouht u were askin aloha10:25
stuNNedis there a way for apt-get to tell me what repo's a package is coming from?10:25
magnetobrooman - im kinda the same10:25
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magnetobut i have left gentoo the compile time is not worth the trouble anymore10:26
magnetothe gain is negligible10:26
stuNNedmagneto, on a server with not that many packages seems to work out okay10:27
stuNNedx86 of course10:27
thoreauputicstuNNed: apt-cache policy <package>10:27
stuNNedthoreauputic, appreciated.10:27
thoreauputicnp10:27
magnetoyeah stunned- if u dont use x or big apps yeah but on your laptop?10:27
Broomanmagneto: im just plain used to gentoo now..would be hard to convert lol10:27
stuNNedmagneto, on laptop gentoo es deletion, ubuntu es installtion10:27
AlohaWolfgawd I HATE KDE10:28
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magnetoBrooman- i never thought i would discard gentoo but ubuntu is nice and fast and its faster to get running10:28
magnetolol stunned10:29
AlohaWolfmagneto, thats why I never got on Gentoo, I didnt like the idea of a 36 hour build time10:29
Broomanmagneto: i was actually impressed that ubuntu was the first distro to release gnome 2.8..i had to wait a month for it to make the unstable branch in gentoo10:29
magnetoalohawolf, man its so beautiful to emerge whateverobscureapp10:30
calcAlohaWolf: so use gnome10:30
fscand 2.8 has been rock-solid for me so far10:30
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Broomanto be fair..gentoo does have a stage3 install with prebuilt packages..you can get it up and running as a full desktop in around an hour10:30
AlohaWolfcalc, I didnt wanna wait for it to install10:31
magnetobrooman- how many times did you emerge gnome-base/gnome2.8.0.ebuild before you had all the other emasked ebuilds added into package.keywords ?10:31
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stuNNedmagneto, lol10:31
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Broomanmagneto: lol..i took the easy way out and did an accept_keywords10:31
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Broomancalc: one reason..portage10:32
calci used it for ~ 2hr while it installed and saw how much it sucked10:32
magnetoexactamundo10:32
calcit has no decent package management at all10:32
magnetoemerge asskickinapp-1.510:32
Broomancalc: not gonna start a war, but your wrong10:32
calcBrooman: perhaps it has changed some, i used it ~ 200010:32
magnetocalc- i would use emerge now for small apps in ubuntu10:33
Broomandamn, it existed in 2000?10:33
calcbut from what people using it have told me since it is still that way10:33
calcBrooman: either in 2000 or 2001 yes10:33
magnetocalc- it has changed alot in 1 year let along 410:33
calcback when i still had a job ;)10:33
magnetoalone10:33
magnetolol10:33
calcmagneto: they rewrote how portage works drastically?10:33
magnetocalc- jobless is the best time to use it10:33
magnetoportage is simple but there are frontends now10:34
Broomancalc: what were your issues with portage?10:34
magnetoguitoo porthole10:34
calcBrooman: it had no sane things like being able to see what program a file belonged to, or what files a package produced (like dpkg -L or -S) or rpm does (i forgot its args)10:34
Broomani kinda hate gui's but thats just me..tried synaptic and preferred the command line a while ago when i tried debian10:35
calcthat was some of the things i disliked, i don't recall the others10:35
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stuNNedgentoolkit can do that, calc10:35
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calcstuNNed: ah probably didn't exist back then10:35
Broomancalc: there are utils that take care of that now10:35
calcok10:35
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Broomanqpkg and etcat10:36
magnetoportage is sweet although some ebuilds and dependencies can be alot of trouble10:36
yohannesis there any plugin currently for firefox/mozilla that allows me to play quicktime on apple's site?10:36
Broomanmagneto: ive never had issues with stable10:36
magnetoyohannes mplayerplugin10:36
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yohannesi have browsed the forum but cant seem to find a solution10:36
stuNNedmagneto, esp when you start mixing x86 and ~x86 in a big way, i found10:36
yohannesis it accessible from apt?10:37
magnetobrooman - stable? we talking gentoo? lol10:37
stuNNedmagneto, imho they need a better way to separate stable from unstable/testing10:37
Broomanmagneto: lol...unstable can be horribly broken sometimes10:37
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magnetostunned- the stable tree is wack10:37
yohannesmagneto--> not available in apt10:37
magnetou wont use gentoo is stick to nonmasked ebuilds10:38
magnetoif you instead of "is"10:38
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magnetoyahannes http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94&page=1&pp=1010:39
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Broomannight all..gotta catch some zzzz's10:39
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magnetolater brooman - im out too10:40
magnetonight all/morning all10:40
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stuNNedyohannes, working here with mplayerplug-in10:41
imabrowneyehi all10:41
stuNNedhi imabrowneye10:41
cetexhi, during install when i've partitioned the disk and it's about to format the partitions it complains and says that formating failed.10:42
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cetexand after i've checked some stuff i've found out that it only finds partition #1 on the disk, all other partitions aren't there..10:43
cetexduring partitioning it sees all partitions, but they doesnt exist in /dev10:43
stuNNedyohannes, eh, sort of works10:43
Gmailcan someone tell me WHY (key word) php4 depends on apache 1.3.*? and not also on apache 2?10:44
imabrowneyeanyone running kde10:44
tolstoyi'm running from kde . . .10:44
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stuNNedtolstoy, lol10:44
imabrowneyeon ubuntu??10:44
bkwthe livecd include packages that're more up2date than the install cd, right?10:44
tolstoyi've heard tell that people can install it on ubuntu.  praps there's info at the wiki?10:45
imabrowneyemm should read better before replying10:45
yohannesstunned --> where did u get it from?10:45
stuNNedyohannes, from multiverse repo10:46
imabrowneyeyeah i've had a look around, but though it would be could to find someone who allready ahd it running10:46
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imabrowneyecould = good (typing braille :()10:46
Gmaili was running kde 2 mi ago to see how much it changed from version 2 and i say if your going to use kde why not use winbloat?10:46
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stuNNedis 'repo' the right term in debian world? never really used debian before...10:46
stuNNedapt repo, or whatever10:47
superblahanyone know how to dual boot with windows? It automatically made a windows option in grub upon install, but it doesn't work.10:47
imabrowneyeyeah i've found kde to be slow on this old box10:47
yohannesstunned --> kinda new to apt here, :) what is multiverse repository?10:47
Lathiateverytime i use kde the graphics are all fscked10:47
imabrowneyei only ask, beacuse i want to run an app called knoda10:48
Lathiatyohannes: its contrib/non-free from the main debian archives10:48
imabrowneyeit's a front end for mysql10:48
calcGmail: because kde is open source?10:48
calcGmail: many people don't run linux because its stripped of features10:48
calcthey run it since its open10:48
cetex:<10:48
calcwell some probably just run it because its the cool thing to do i guess... ;)10:48
stuNNedyohannes, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and add 'multiverse' to the end of line: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe10:49
nevyns/open/Free/10:49
stuNNedyohannes, i.e: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse10:49
nevynyou can tell they're the ones without nvidia cards or promise "raid" controllers10:49
stuNNedyohannes, then `apt-get mozilla-mplayer`10:49
stuNNedyohannes, first `apt-get update`10:50
stuNNedyohannes, or use synaptic :)10:50
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yohanneswhy the multiverse variable is not listed on the sources.list on the first place?10:50
imabrowneyeis anyone here using mysql?10:51
izyup10:51
imabrowneyeiz are you using a front end for it10:51
iznope10:51
yohannesstunned --> is mozilla-mplayer is the same as mplayerplugin?10:51
stuNNedyohannes, yes10:52
yohannesstunned --> cos i got it online. it's version 1.0210:52
thoreauputicyohannes: not everyone wants to use non-free, for example10:52
yohanneswhich one is non-free?10:52
stuNNedmultiverse...universe...i think10:52
izimabrowneye, i use webmin10:52
thoreauputicyohannes: I was answering your earlier question10:53
imabrowneyeiz: any suggestions on something to use as a front end for it10:53
izand phpmyadmin10:53
imabrowneyeaaahh10:53
imabrowneyeok10:53
izapt-get install phpmyadmin10:53
yohannesbtw, what is the multiverse variable?10:53
imabrowneyei want to be able to make up a form10:53
izand then add it to your http.conf10:53
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yohannesstunned --> how do i install foo.deb file?10:54
imabrowneyeso you can use it off a web page then10:54
izimabrowneye, http://www.mysqlfront.de/10:54
imabrowneyeokay, checking it out10:54
yohannesthe mplayerplugin i downloaded ends w/ that extension10:54
stuNNedyohannes, 2.66-2 in multiverse10:54
Gmaili get this error while tring to install a java thing for my modem10:57
Gmail/tmp/install.dir.30796/Linux/resource/jre/bin/i386/native_threads/java: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory10:57
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imabrowneyeiz - thanks for that, i will have a play with it10:58
iz:)10:58
yohannesstunned --> wow yours is way up2date10:59
stuNNedi'm out, good luck with it, yohannes11:00
tolstoyegads. emacs won't stop beeping!11:01
LathiatAnyone tried to get NetworkManager running under ubuntu11:02
tolstoyoh, there we go. /etc/inputrc, and a re-login.11:02
imabrowneyeiz: any suggestions on what i should use for an input form - ie: i want to set up a database for a behavour management group, I'm cool with the sql scripting, but need to have aform for a front end, so they can input data when they interview someone.11:02
imabrowneyei'm currently looking at openoffice11:03
Lathiatimabrowneye: web based interfaces are good11:03
imabrowneyeare they hard top set up though11:03
Lathiati more meant writing one heh11:03
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imabrowneyei can do the mysql side easily enough (I use sql scripting at work). it's the input form that i need to set up11:05
izimabrowneye, there's alot of opensource11:05
imabrowneyei like the look of knoda11:05
izimabrowneye, have you try some content management systems?11:06
izlike mambo?11:06
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imabrowneyenothing wrong with free11:07
imabrowneyeespecially when i'm donating my tiome and pc11:07
iztry other wise sourceforge.net11:08
izsearh on form11:08
ahoodHi All!11:08
cetexhm, do anyone know what makes ubuntu install fail to recognise partitions when formating and stuff?11:09
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imabrowneyethanks iz11:09
iznp11:09
ahoodI have a wireless card that is not supported by linux. The Ubuntu 'How To' says to use Synaptic to update to a newer linux kernel. How do I do this if I don't have internet access?11:10
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cetex:(11:12
srocchi, could anyone help me get my onboard soundcard installed (its my second day using ubuntu)11:15
b_e_n_zcetex, works fine here11:15
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cetexwell, something makes it _not_ to recognize my partitions wich is kind of annoying..11:17
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cetexa friend of mine had the same problem, but he fixed it someway. although, he cant remember how..11:18
The_Bellhi11:18
calcahood: download it on another computer and copy it over using a cd11:19
linux_mafiaanyone here got beagle running using the ubuntu beagle how to? im sure i followed it to the letter, but no dice11:19
The_Bellcould anyone tell me who shoud I ask to help translating ubuntu to my language?11:19
calcThe_Bell: which part gnome or the installer?11:20
The_Bellwhatever needs to11:20
Pizbit^The_Bell: What language?11:20
The_Bellcatalan11:20
calcoh i think gnome already supports catalan11:20
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calcnot sure about the installer though11:20
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ahoodcalc: Thanks. Do I download the linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386. Is this easy to download and install without Synaptic?11:21
calcahood: you can find it in the repository but you have to navigate throught the dirs without synaptic11:21
ahoodcalc: Please forgive my ignorance (hehe). Is the repository on the CD?11:22
calcany files not on the ubuntu cd already are on the ubuntu website11:22
The_Bellif not anything new helping for future versions, or documentation :S11:23
calci think its here:11:23
calchttp://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.8.1/11:23
calcThe_Bell: perhaps ask jdub he would know about both ubuntu and gnome stuff11:24
The_Bellok thanks11:24
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RubenVI have a problem with the website, anyone who can help me?11:25
RubenVoh, appearantly, caps are not allowed in an email address11:25
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childeHi.11:26
childeI've planned to switch to Ubuntu11:26
Tomcat_childe: Good. :D11:26
childeNow I'm using Debian/Sid.11:26
childeDo you have some suggestions for me?11:26
linux_mafiaThe_Bell, is catalan a language spoken in spain? is that what basques speak?11:26
vrlnclean install11:26
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vrlnyou could try to dist-upgrade to ubuntu with apt, but things can go wrong11:27
Tomcat_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_language11:27
childeIt sounds cool. But I've burnt a CD so I want to try it :D11:27
AlohaWolfhow do I reconfigure X to run at a higher resolution, its running a 1280*1024 right now, and I want it at 1400*105011:27
Pizbitchilde: Just have a quick glance at the FAQ11:28
linux_mafiaTomcat_, thank you, i know how to use the web, wanted to hear it from the horses mouth so to speak11:28
Tomcat_Sorry. :P11:28
ahoodcalc: Thanks! I think I would also need to manually download the ndiswrapper-utils. Where would I find this at http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main  ?11:28
The_Belllinux_mafia it's a language spoken in Spain and south France11:28
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The_Bellbasque is another language also spoken in SPain and sout frace11:28
The_Bellso we have three official languages in SPain11:28
childeWill Ubuntu bloat in the future?11:28
b_e_n_zchilde, i suppose so11:29
vinscichilde, only if you install more packages :)11:29
linux_mafiaThe_Bell, ok, thanks11:29
childeGet bigger and bigger, like other distro?11:29
ahoodcalc: I found it!11:29
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vrlnchilde: why not? :)11:29
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linux_mafia*get even11:29
childeI've seen that some new packages have been added into Ubuntu, such as AbiWord, Gnumrics11:29
vinscichilde, just lke debian, you can run as tiny or as complicated a system as you like11:29
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childeOK. Then will the default installation keep small?11:30
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Matt|is it possible to access a hoary repository?11:30
childeWhen I apt-get install Gnome on Debian/Sid, it installed a lot of packages11:31
linux_mafiachilde, at install you can type "custom", only the base set of essential os packages are installed, then you can go from there11:31
The_Bellchilde because gnome is a meta package which installs ALL of gnome11:31
The_Bellyou may choose to install only the gnome packages you want11:31
linux_mafiaMatt|, yes, or are you having connection troubles?11:31
The_Bellit's like KDE11:31
childeOK11:32
Matt|linux_mafia, no i just would like an address :)11:32
Matt|linux_mafia, i would like if possible to change my warty system to a hoary one by updating but I'm not sure if its gonna work :)11:33
linux_mafiaMatt|, just change the word warty to hoary in any instance in your /etc/apt/sources.list11:33
Matt|linux_mafia, ok i might try it11:33
linux_mafiaMatt|, im running hoary11:33
Matt|linux_mafia, can you tell me what version of xorg is in hoary?11:33
linux_mafiaMatt|, none11:33
Matt|oh11:33
Matt|eh?11:34
Matt|linux_mafia, did you cancel that idea?11:34
linux_mafiaMatt|, what idea?11:34
Matt|linux_mafia, the idea of using xorg in hoary11:34
sanderIs there a simple way to install all header files (-dev packages) of currently installed packages? When I compile stuff myself, often support for certain libs is not enable, while the lib is installed (without headers)11:35
childeI was disappointed when I know that the drop shadow in X.Org is not blur.11:35
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linux_mafiaMatt|, no, i assume its still coming, ubuntu is based on debian, debian does not use xorg either11:35
Matt|linux_mafia, oh. the main reason of changing would have been that. Can you tell me what version of xfree86 it is?11:36
sroccthis serveer seems to be meant for advanced questions, where can i post my rookyproblems?11:37
linux_mafiaMatt|, 4.3.0, heavily patched though11:37
Matt|:(11:38
enablwhat do you mean by blur childe?11:38
Matt|linux_mafia, damn11:38
childeI mean the real blur filter, like in Photoshop or in Mac OS X11:38
enabllike that http://www.filespace.org/enabl/XFce.jpg11:38
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childethe  Gaussian Blur11:38
linux_mafiaMatt|, why "damn"?11:40
synapsehi, just wondering what packages i need for running java with firefox compatabilitie?11:40
Matt|linux_mafia, only the most recent release of xorg supports 3d for my video card11:40
Matt|linux_mafia, and I have failed to compile the modules myself :(11:40
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childeThis picture is pretty. But is the shadow produced by real Blur or by gradient?11:41
linux_mafiaMatt|, what card? an ati no doubt, heh11:41
Matt|linux_mafia, correct11:41
Matt|linux_mafia, IGP 340M11:41
enabli've no idea childe11:41
childeOK11:41
linux_mafiaMatt|, what you want 3d in linux for?11:42
The_BellMatt| in gentoo I managed to do this11:42
childeSo I'll go to see XFCE's code, Thanks11:42
The_Bellbut not in debian11:42
The_Bellhttp://www.freedesktop.org/~dri/snapshots/11:42
The_Belldownloading here the latest snapshots11:42
The_Bellof common and radeon11:42
The_Bellunpacking and running the install script11:42
The_Bellyou'll need the kernel modules packages installed11:43
Matt|The_Bell, you think it will work?11:43
Matt|linux_mafia, isn't 3d a good idea?11:43
Matt|linux_mafia, I can't play any games!11:43
The_BellMatt| in gentoo worked11:43
The_Bellin debian didn't11:43
The_Bellbut you can always uninstall it11:43
The_Bellit savesthe old modules as backups11:43
Matt|The_Bell, yes I have also got it going in gentoo, mandrake, fedora11:43
The_Bellso you'll not have any problem11:43
Matt|The_Bell, you have the same card?11:44
linux_mafiaMatt|, why not just play games in win? do you not dual boot?11:44
Matt|linux_mafia, nope11:44
Matt|linux_mafia, dual booting is like a concession to evil11:44
Matt|;p11:44
The_Bellnope11:44
The_Belli have a IGP320M11:44
Matt|ah similar11:44
childeMatt, why not play games in XBox? heh heh11:44
synapsehi, just wondering what packages i need for running java with firefox compatability?11:44
Matt|childe, i do not have one11:44
Matt|unfortunately11:45
childeSorry11:45
Matt|no need to apologise :)11:45
childeI don't have one, too11:45
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Matt|The_Bell, so I run the common install script, and then the radeon install script?11:46
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The_Bellthere should be only one install script which dioes everything11:46
silbshi all. Does Ubuntu support a  "be2-latin1" keyboard?11:46
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The_Bellin dripkg directory11:47
Matt|right11:47
Matt|i just unpack them in the same place and it will work?11:47
The_BellMatt| http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=206675&highlight=11:47
The_Belllook  here11:47
sandersynapse, I installed jre-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin (java.sun.com) and symlinked to libjavaplugin_oji.so in my ~/.mozilla/plugins folder, works fine!11:47
The_Bellit sould11:47
The_Bellshould11:47
Matt|The_Bell, ok thanks11:47
linux_mafiasynapse, i followed this, works a treat, stick to 1.4.x though, 1.5 always crashes for me, although ymmv11:47
Matt|The_Bell, if all else fails I will just wipe ubuntu and install gentoo :)11:48
AlohaWolfhow do I get my sounds working?11:48
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linux_mafiasynapse, http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php11:48
linux_mafiai guess posting the link helps, heh11:48
sanderNobody?  - Is there a simple way to install all header files (-dev packages) of currently installed packages?11:50
kentsander, synaptic?11:50
Aardsander: what about getting all those names from apt-cache search and piping it to apt-get install?11:51
Matt|The_Bell, ok i have run the script and it has gone through without any errors. I'll restart X and see how it goes11:51
Matt|many thanks for that!!11:51
sanderkent, I used synaptic indeed. But I had too read >700 installed packages, to watch for -dev packages11:51
sanderAard, that might be a good one!11:51
The_Bellok11:52
derJuniorAlohaWolf: we need more information to answer your question11:52
Pizbitsander: You see that button that says "search" ?:)11:52
The_Bellhe should have disavbled gdm before rebooting...11:52
sanderheh11:52
sanderdon't forget that you don't know which libs are installed11:52
sanderso you don't know what to look for either11:52
AlohaWolfderJunior, everything appears to bet set up right, but nothing appears to be working, I hit play in any program, I get dead air11:52
linux_mafiaThe_Bell, would this have helped him : http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html11:52
sanderPizbit, example: libjpeg is installed by default, libjpeg-dev is not. My apps compile fine, but quitely without libjpeg support11:53
Aardsander: you can find out what's installed with apt-cache and/or apt-show-versions ;)11:53
The_BellI think our IGP are not listed there linux_mafia11:53
The_Bellbut im not sure11:53
linux_mafiaThe_Bell, ok11:53
AlohaWolfderJunior, nevermind.. I fixed it11:54
Pizbitsander: Then whoever wrote the configure script should go back and put a bit at the end saying what will or wont be compiled11:54
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vinsciwho's working on the web site? no team listed on the team page11:54
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sanderPizbit, I agree. I wish that packages will do this ...11:55
derJuniorAlohaWolf: okay :)11:55
skarhi, how do i configure smartd so as to run a script when it detects a device to be developing bad sectors?11:55
AlohaWolfderJunior, the drivers used under ubuntu configure it to come out a different port11:56
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donaldhi11:56
donaldi downloaded wine for syanptec. where is it  i cant find it11:57
donaldi installed11:57
rebirthaha!11:57
rebirthjava11:57
rebirth:[11:57
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donaldcan som one help me _11:58
Pizbitdonald: You downloaded a .deb ? You'll have to install it via dpkg -i <.deb file name> as root at the command line11:58
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donaldpizbit:i said i installed11:58
donaldbut i cant find it11:58
rebirthwhat package do i need so java is installed? ie, webgames, azureus..11:59
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derJuniorAlohaWolf: what soundcard do you have? A friend of mine has a Problem with the Sound too11:59
AlohaWolfI have an nForce212:00
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derJuniorokay it isn't the same, he has VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)12:00
derJuniordo someone know a link to an howto for this card?12:01
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Pizbitdonald: Keep everything in the channel12:02
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donaldpizbit: can u help me ?12:02
donaldi installed wine but i cant find it ? where is it12:04
The_Bellthat Matt may have had problems with the xfree modules12:05
The_Bellmaybe I should have told hm how to restore the old drivers12:05
donaldth e bell can u help me _12:05
donald?12:05
The_Bellrun updatedb12:06
The_Belland then locate wine12:06
The_Bellit might be in /opt maybe12:06
The_BellI don't know never installed wine12:06
TheMusoIf wine was installed from a package, it would not be in /opt.12:06
donaldi found it on synaptic12:07
TheMusoThe command wine is very likely in /usr/bin12:07
TheMusoanother way to find it is type which wine12:07
The_Bellwell12:08
The_Bellif he is trying to find it12:08
donaldok but when  i downlod music from Amule where  does i goes _ i cant find it12:08
The_BellI suppose its because it is not in the path12:08
The_Belloh12:08
The_Bellyou meant where it saves the files12:08
TheMusoWine creates virtual drives that point to various points on your system, depending on the configuration.12:08
vinsciweb site team, ping12:08
donaldi DL some music . where is it ?12:09
donaldwich folder ?12:09
TheMusoHave you searched through your home directory?12:09
donaldno12:10
donaldisnt it  a folder > my shared folder or some thing?12:10
TheMusoWithin the EMule program folder, very likely.12:11
TheMusoIt also might be under /usr/share/wine12:11
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donaldwhere is my shared folder _12:12
donaldi want to listen to some music12:12
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TheMusoWell I can't exactly tell you myself. :) One way you could at least find the program is to search for the .exe file.12:13
TheMusodonald: You are using eMule? Did I get that right?12:13
donaldits no exe file  im using linux12:13
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donaldaMule12:13
TheMusodonald: But you are using wine? Or have I got you mixed up with someone else?12:14
donaldforget about wine now12:14
TheMusoOk. Very likely the folder you have shared is somewhere in your home directory.12:14
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donaldargh! just forget the hole shit! you noobs  u cant  even tell me where it it. and this is a support channel ? u guys are noob like me! you are nott better ! noob!!!!!!!!!!!12:15
L|nu}{^ashole!12:15
TheMusoL|nu}{^: I disagree. he wasn't aware of how the program was set up. I don't know the program myself, but I was trying to help him12:16
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ahoodThanks to all for the help!12:17
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tckwtf was donald duck on about ?12:18
PizbitWhat'd he say? I put him on ignore when he wouldn't stop messaging me12:18
L|nu}{haha...12:19
TheMusoIt seems that he wasn't pacient. I came in half way through, and was attempting to find out what his problems were.12:19
TheMusopatient12:19
tckpatience is a virtue :)12:20
TheMusoAgreed, but there are certainly a lot of people in this world who don't have it.12:20
rebirthwhat package do i install to get the java vm?12:21
rebirth:x12:21
TheMusoJava is not available in main or universe, or even multiverse AFAIK.12:21
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TheMusohttp://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats12:22
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rebirthTheMuso, so I have to install it manually? :o12:25
rebirthI have it12:25
rebirthamr@rebirth:~ $ java12:25
rebirthYou need to specify some parameters for java-sablevm wrapper.12:25
rebirthHelp option is not implemented yet. See 'man java-sablevm' for now.12:25
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rebirthhow do I enable it in FireFox?12:25
TheMusoI am not sure sa I haven't had to do it myself. I am pretty sure it is on the wiki somewhere. If not, I suggest you go through this month's Ubuntu users archive. I remember seeing it there.12:26
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tuxxHello.12:26
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tuxxHow well is ATI Radeon 8500 supported by Ubuntu?12:27
rebirthWhats the Ubuntu users archive? :o12:27
Pizbitrebirth: For the mailing list I'm guessing12:27
TheMusohttp://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/thread.html12:27
cetexhm,the ubuntu installcd only finds /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/{disc,part1} and the partitions part 1 through 7 exists.. :<12:28
rebirththanks :-)12:28
mjrtuxx, well, Radeon 8500 is supported by the free DRI drivers for 3d acceleration; I don't know how well's that integrated in Ubuntu12:29
tuxxmjr I can see in Synaptic that there is a driver.. however I'm not sure how well it works and it's not on my machine I have the ATI. I have a nvidia and it works with the provided driver. Will ATI be like the same?12:30
TheMusocetex: How many partitions should that drive have?12:30
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TheMusoBrianB04: What exactly is the problem?12:35
BrianB04Well, all sounds work fine finally (On a gateway centrino laptop with ac'97 card) but...CD audio will not play12:36
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TheMusoDo you have a CD audio cable from your CD-Rom to the motherboard CD audio connector?12:36
BrianB04I have no clue, seeing as how I have never opened the laptop...12:36
Pizbitheh12:36
TheMusoAh ok. Is the CD audio volume up in the volume control?12:37
BrianB04Yep12:37
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TheMusoOk. I think you have to play CDs digitally, I.E have the Cd drive rip the CD and play it. I think Totem can do this. On the file meny there is an option to play a CD. Try that.12:38
TheMusomenu12:38
childeWhat's the URL of Ubuntu's package repository?12:38
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BrianB04It just opens up Gnome's CD Player12:39
TheMusohttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu12:39
TheMusoBrianB04: Is that when you insert the CD?12:39
TheMusoor when you choose the CD play option from Totem?12:39
BrianB04No, when I go into Totem, and select Play Disc from Tote12:39
BrianB04Totem....m key doesn't want to work today...bah12:39
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vanherpthi12:41
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vanherptI have a question regarding mozilla thunderbird12:41
grubermanmorning12:41
vanherptcan I use an external application to send to thunderbird an attachment so that I don't have to look for the file?12:42
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TheMusoBrianB04: Hmmm. it doesn't want to do anything for me, strange. I can't help you at present I am affraid12:43
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BrianB04I wish there was a cd player app for Linux that does digital12:43
derJuniori'm not sure BrianB04 but i think i had heard of someone like this12:44
derJuniorsomething like this12:44
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BrianB04I went hunting through the forums, and all I found similar were mac problems12:44
childeOh. There is no Chinese fonts in Ubuntu12:44
derJuniorhas ubutu a standard firewall?12:44
vanherptyou mean digital extraction for audio?12:45
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derJuniorif it has, how can i deactivate it12:45
vinsciderJunior, by default, it doesn't install a firewall, as it doesn't install any servers12:45
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TheMusovanherpt: Yeah. Sound-juicer uses the gstreamer backend for doing such a thing, and Totem is theoretically supposed to take advantage of it.12:45
derJuniorvincent: okay thx12:45
TheMusoBrianB04: Have you tried going to open location and typing in cdda://12:45
vinsciderJunior, firewall functionality is built into the kernel, it's called iptables12:46
derJuniorvincent: i know12:46
RubenVgstreamer's video capabilities are still inferior12:46
RubenVit's horrible12:46
vanherptxmms has that funcionality in the cd plugin, I think12:46
TheMusoderJunior: I guess you could get a frontend from universe.12:46
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vinsciderJunior, I would have suggested installing bastille in order to config the firewall - but unfortunately ubuntu for some reason doesn't come with that package12:47
derJuniormy problem is i will connect via ssh to a friend's ubutu an the connection was refused12:47
vinsciderJunior, that's likely because he doesn't run the sshd12:47
vanherptis he behind a router?12:47
grubermanIs there anyone here who has a nice icon for irssi?12:47
TheMusoderJunior: Thats a problem on the other end. Not yours AFAIK12:47
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RubenVUbuntu doesn't come with a firewall in a default config btw12:48
derJuniorthe-erm: yes i know, but the other system is an ubuntu system12:48
derJuniorvincent: okay that's an idea, sshd is installed by default or?12:48
TheMusoderJunior: But does he have the SSh server running?12:48
RubenVno sshd by default12:48
TheMusosudo apt-get install ssh-server12:48
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derJuniorbig thx12:49
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TheMusoBrianB04: I think that can only RIP.12:49
=== RubenV uses cdparanoia + oggenc
BrianB04It can play as well12:50
vanherptIf I want to run a command at boot time, I make a script in init.d/myscript and then add it to a runlevel (like 234 or 5) right?12:50
RubenVdoes the job and does it well12:50
TheMusoRubenV: What do you use for CD track titles?12:50
BrianB04RubenV, You use OGG?12:50
grubermanwhat's the command to see all the processes?12:50
RubenVYes I use ogg12:50
TheMusogruberman: ps aux12:50
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BrianB04Just for home use, or do you have a portable player?12:50
RubenVit's far superior compared to MP312:50
NermUbuntulo lo12:50
NermUbuntuI think I've worked out what apt isn't soing12:51
RubenVfor home use12:51
vanherptgruberman, "top" does it too12:51
RubenVmy portable player is my laptop ;)12:51
grubermanTheMuso, vanherpt: thx12:51
BrianB04What quality you use for Ogg?12:51
derJunioropenssh-server ist allready the newest version12:52
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RubenV1012:52
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RubenVI used to encode in flac12:52
derJuniorbut /etc/init.d/sshd doesn't exist12:52
RubenVogg at 10 gives me about the same quality, without wasting so much space12:52
TheMusoderJunior: Well type sudo apt-get install --reinstall ssh-server and that should be fixed.12:52
RubenVI'm a quality whore12:52
TheMusoRubenV: But you still loose some.12:52
RubenVmainly because I hate dj's who play 128kbps mp312:53
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derJuniorTheMuso: okay i will test ist (i work as root i don't need sudo)12:53
RubenVTheMuse: true, but marginally12:53
BrianB046 is about default, isn't it?12:53
TheMusoI am a quality freek as well, but sometimes less space with a bit of lossyness is acceptable.12:53
RubenVIt's a good tradoff compared to the space eating flac12:53
TheMusoRubenV: True.12:53
vanherptand what would you have to do to add sshd so it'll start with the system12:53
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TheMusoI have been thinking of doing DJing, but I would use FLAC or the absolute highest OGG quality.12:54
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RubenVI'm still looking for decent software on linux12:54
RubenVmixxx is the most mature thing, but can't find any debs12:54
vanherptRubenV, have you seen www.openjay.org??12:54
RubenVand ever since i quit gentoo, i'm tired of compiling12:54
RubenVlet's see12:55
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TheMusoRubenV: Have you checked Debian's repositories?12:55
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tsengkeep the cds12:55
RubenVTheMuso: yes12:55
BrianB04Well, you know what I mean, encode them, and set them aside.12:55
RubenVIf I knew how to build a decent .deb12:56
RubenVbut couldn't get mixxx to compile anymore on gentoo12:56
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RubenVtoo bad, cause i kinda liked it12:56
RubenVunfortunately it's not Traktor12:56
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TheMusoYou could build some DJ software using Pure Data and some externals. :)12:58
RubenVwell, as an IT studednt, it should be my duty to do so12:59
RubenVon the other hand, if I don't want do double my year, I shouldn't ;)12:59
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TheMusoRubenV: Do you want to do things like speed alteration of music to beatmix etc?01:00
The_Bellestc uugant01:00
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RubenVTheMuso: yes01:01
RubenVhttp://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?traktor_us01:02
RubenVback when i was a windows user, I used this01:02
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=== TheMuso knows about that softwrae.
RubenVnow I'm out of software, but atleast I don't have to use windows anymore01:02
TheMusosoftware01:02
TheMusoI think there is also another one called BPM DJ.01:03
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RubenVyeah, but Traktor is far superior to BPM01:03
merlin0hello01:03
TheMusoRubenV: True01:03
merlin0new user here01:03
michael315merlin0 welcome old son01:04
RubenVmaybe I should try to build mixxx01:04
RubenVafter I work through my math01:04
merlin0someone have a working celestia with fglrx driver01:04
merlin0hello michael31501:04
=== TheMuso is off to bed. Cya all.
RubenVciao01:06
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netmonkcan you please tell me how to add fonts in ubuntu, I open the folder but it won't let me paste the fonts01:09
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ahoodHi All01:10
vanherpthi01:10
vanherptyou have to create a folder in /usr/share/fonts01:11
vanherptand then put that folder in the configurations files (i think it was xorg.conf but dont remember the other)01:12
ahoodI am a linux noobie and I need some advice. About an hour ago, this chat room helped me with manually downloading ndiswrapper-utils and linux-image. Now I need to figure out how to install these packages (deb files). Can I do this with Synaptic?01:12
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RubenVahood, to manually install a .deb:01:13
RubenVsudo dpkg -i filename.deb01:13
RubenVi don't think you can do this in synaptic01:13
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LinuxJonesahood, ndiswrapper-utils is available thru synaptic01:13
RubenVthat's also true, i'm using it :)01:14
RubenV(unfortunately, till i find a better mini pci)01:14
ahoodLinuxJones: True, but once I install Ubuntu, I won't have access to internet because the wireless won't be configured. I need ndiswrapper.01:14
cyrilmalkaHello there.. I try to install Ubuntu for the first time (on my sons machine), it can't boot directly from CD, so I believe the best will be to boot from the HD... the doc tells me to find hd-media/initrd.gz and hd-media/vmlinux... But where do I find it? Any suggestion?01:14
ahoodRubenV: Thanks for the manual install command.01:14
LinuxJonesahood, oh ok, do what RubenV said :)01:15
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ahoodIf I install manually, will the new package appear in Synaptic list?01:15
LinuxJonesahood, I don't know if there will be dependency problems when you go to run it though01:15
LinuxJonesahood, give me a sec.01:16
ahoodLinuxJones: I don't know either about dependency.01:19
LinuxJonesahood, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/view?searchterm=ndiswrapper%20wireless01:20
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altanis it just me or is the GNOME Network Settings menu buggy beyond all comprehension?01:20
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ahoodLinuxJones: Thanks. The question is... Do I need to install the linux-image before ndiswrapper-utils?01:22
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LinuxJonesahood, >> I don't think it matters.01:23
RubenVahood: doesn't really matter01:23
RubenVthe othe utils are user space utilities01:24
RubenVthe other is a kernel image01:24
RubenVjust install em both01:24
RubenVreboot to the new kernel01:24
LinuxJonesahood, >> You will have to re-boot to the new kernel before running ndiswrapper tho ;)01:24
RubenVndiswrapper -i inffile.inf01:24
RubenVand modprobe ndiswrapper01:24
RubenVandyour card should work01:24
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grubermanOT: is there anyone here who has a link so I can listen to the cowboys game today?01:26
JanneMwhere should suggestions for inclusion in Hoary go?01:27
JanneMis the mailing list sufficient?01:27
ahoodLinuxJones RubenV: Thanks!01:27
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altandoes anyone know of a good networking tutorial for all linux distros?01:33
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The_Bellhttp://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Net-HOWTO/01:35
The_Belltry this01:35
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vanherptand a good initscripts tutorial for ubuntu/debian?01:41
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LinuxJonesvanherpt, >> http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=330601:42
vanherptthanx01:42
LinuxJonesvanherpt, ;)01:42
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TJL1hello01:44
altanI enable the thing from the GNOME Network config but it keeps disabling itself01:44
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TJL1can someone recommend me a nice editor (similar to Kate) with good syntax highlighting, that is GTK-based?01:45
grubermangedit?01:45
LinuxJonesaltan, you loose your networking after re-booting your machine ?01:45
altanLinuxJones: I haven't rebooted01:46
altanit just enables it for a second then it unticks itself01:46
grubermanTJL1: I use gedit for web stuff.. good for php, html, python, css and alot more stuff01:46
TJL1other than gedit... ;-)01:46
altanit's so annoying, like it's taunting me :(01:46
altanTJL1: Try Scite01:46
LinuxJonesaltan, it is a pci network card ?01:46
vanherptaltan, gvim01:47
altanLinuxJones, it's an integrated network card01:47
altanit's recognized though01:47
vanherptit was for TJL101:47
altanthe hell? I open device manager, it opens for .25 seconds and shuts itself off01:47
LinuxJonesaltan, so is the card working at all or is it some option that can't be enabled ?01:47
jdubaltan: jump to a terminal, type:01:48
jdubsudo ifdown eth0 (or whatever you're using)01:48
jdubaltan: then try the gui again01:48
grubermanTJL1: bluefish01:48
altanLinuxJones: I'm inclined to believe it's something wrong with the GNOME Network Config because I tried to use it to configure PPP as well and it kept doing that too01:48
altanjdub: I did that, I'm recognized01:48
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grubermanTJL1: vi :)01:48
Gmailhttp://www.forum.vhcs.net/images/debian.png01:48
Gmailanyone want to change that to ubuntu01:48
altanBy the way, this will be the main machine on the network, do I need to set up a DHCP server or something? I mean, does the GNOME thing assume that you're trying to connect to an existing network?01:50
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cenerentolahi everybody=01:50
cenerentolawhere does evolutions keeps data=?01:50
cenerentola...keep data...01:51
sander$HOME/.evolution01:51
sander(mail/contacts/etc)01:51
LinuxJonesaltan, I haven't heard of anybody else having those problems. Do you have a spare PCI Network card you can put in the machine ?01:51
cetexis there any way to install ubuntu if you exclude the original cd?01:51
altanLinuxJones, this is EXACTLY what happens: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2226&highlight=network+dhcp01:51
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sandercenerentola, $HOME/.evolution (data) $HOME/.gconf/apps/evolution (settings)01:51
cenerentolathx01:52
altanLinuxJones, I'm very new to ethernet networking (in fact I've never done it before), but this DHCP thing - don't I need a DHCP server for my machine to define itself on the network correctly and for the other machine to define itself?01:52
jdubcenerentola: do not change anything under .gconf manually01:53
jdubcenerentola: use gconf-editor or gconftool-201:53
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sandercenerentola, jdub is correct. only use this folder for back-ing up, never touch the file contents01:54
TJL1gruberman: yes I like Vi (I use it at work), but I want something pretty for my desktop at home!01:55
maswanTJL1: gvim?01:55
grubermanTJL1: Try bluefish01:55
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LinuxJonesaltan, do you have a router on your network ?01:56
altanI still suggest Scite01:56
altanLinuxJones: No, I got what I think the guy called a cross cable01:56
TJL1I'm just getting scite now01:57
TJL1I'll have a look at the others too01:57
TJL1thanks for the ideas01:57
nevynhrm01:58
cenerentolayep but the accounts' configuration01:58
jdubTJL1: gedit is pretty cool these days01:58
cenerentolawhere does it keep it01:58
jdubcenerentola: in gconf01:58
altanI remember reading about it a few years ago though, so I'm pretty sure the guy wasn't making stuff up, and I'm pretty sure I don't need a router01:58
jdubcenerentola: run gconf-editor, navigate to /apps/evolution01:58
cenerentolano i copied them... but it doesnt01:58
nevyndoes ubuntu ship with kdevelop?01:58
nevynaltan: yes you do.01:58
cenerentolashow any kind of account01:58
jdubnevyn: kde is not supported - it might be in universe01:58
altanhttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2564 <--- TJL1, guide for anti-aliased fonts in Scite01:59
bkwdoes ubuntu have graphical package manager tool like fc3 might include?01:59
jdubaltan: configure one machine at 192.168.10.1, and the other at 192.168.10.201:59
altannevyn, hold on01:59
jdubbkw: synaptic01:59
cenerentolait just starts with the setup-wizard01:59
TJL1bkw: synaptic01:59
LinuxJonesaltan, ok you will have to specify your IP address on that card manually (don't use dhcp). I don't know what to tell you for the other issues your having. If you can borrow/buy a PCI Network card and disable you onboard Net card (in bios). Try that out and see if it makes a difference.01:59
TJL1thanks for the link altan01:59
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cenerentolajdub: im just trying to restore the settings ive got on another partition...02:01
cenerentolabut it doesnt get the accounts02:01
swiftyHey, I tried to do a scan for wlan. I neighbour here share his internet with me, but I cant find his network, I find another network. It works fine in windows. Someone here know what to do?02:02
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altannevyn: http://www.johnscloset.net/wiring/crossover.html02:02
nevynaltan: you need a dhcp server or router on the network to use DHCP02:04
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cenerentolajdub:????02:04
sandercenerentola, you must copy the $HOME/.gconf/apps/evolution folder to your new system, BUT, you must restart gconfd (killall gconfd-2)02:04
sanderthen start evolution02:04
sander... talking to a wall :) ...02:05
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rburnsI have a printer connected to a rh9 box. from the command line on an ubuntu machine I can print, but not from any of the apps. any ideas?02:05
altannevyn: I installed dhcpserver3 now02:05
cenerentolasorry you were saying02:05
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derJuniorTheMuso: what a type of firewall tool are you expecting to me?02:06
cenerentola???02:09
LinuxJonesaltan, if you are using a crossover cable you don't need a dhcp server.02:09
derJunior:)02:09
cenerentolaplz help02:10
nevynaltan: configuring dhcp is reasonably advanced networking foo. you may just wish to configure each machine with an address and be done with it.02:10
cenerentolai killed those gconfd-2 but its still the same02:10
altanyeah, it looks pretty difficult02:11
nevynaltan: not exact ly difficult.. more.. "advanced"02:12
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altanOkay, I set it up sans-dhcp, ping works now but with 100% packet loss.02:19
altanI mean, it recognizes that there is a network, but it doesn't receive the packages02:19
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altanDo I need to set this machine up as a gateway?02:22
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nevynaltan: if you want internet access from the other one then yes.02:23
nevynping works with 100% packet loss?? to the other machine?02:24
nevynor to the internet?02:24
altanto the other machine02:25
altanwhen I pinged before it just said network not found or something, but this way it just sends packets and never receives them. it's a step up, but not useful02:25
nevynand you've configured both machines?02:25
altanyep02:26
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nevynwhat addresses did you use?02:26
altan192.168.0.1 / 192.168.0.202:27
nevynwith a netmask of 255.255.255.0?02:27
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altanyes02:28
joris_Hello everyone, i downloaded the new kernel 2.6.9, installed gcc and the required ncurses libs and i still get tons of errors when compiling, anyone?02:29
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altan" Remeber that in Ubuntu packages are listening on non-local network interfaces." <--- Does this mean anything?02:29
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LinuxJonesjoris_, install build-essential02:29
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joris_Is that an package?02:30
LinuxJonesjoris_, yes it is a dummy package that will install everything necessary to compile.02:30
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kapputuhi Hiky02:31
joris_hmmzz02:31
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joris_I fout it in the package manager, installing it right now... Yuo are saying this package installs everything that i need in order to compile a new kernel LinuxJones?02:31
Hikaru79Hey, kappu :)02:31
LinuxJonesjoris_, yep02:32
Hikaru79joris_, yes :) Synaptic is great02:32
kapputuhi Linux02:32
joris_=] 02:32
LinuxJoneshiya kapputu02:32
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kapputuanyone had to change their clocks here ?02:32
joris_not me :)02:33
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derJuniorcan someone approve an iptables firewall tool? Somethin in X for examble02:33
LinuxJoneskapputu, mine updated correctly02:33
kapputudamn I woke up to find that I could have slept for one hour more02:33
stvnmine too02:33
kapputu:-(02:33
stvnheh02:33
zenwhenTRICK OR TREAT?02:33
kallebooTRICK OR TREAT02:33
LinuxJonesderJunior, firestarter02:33
zenwhenWE WANT CANDY02:33
kallebooTRICK OR TREAT smell my feet, give me something good to eat!02:33
kapputuinstall KDE and you have all the eye candy02:34
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joris_hey LinuxJones, things keep going wrong after i installed that package. Checkout what messages i get when i do a make menuconfig":02:34
joris_/boot/config-2.6.8.1-3-386:2478: trying to assign nonexistent symbol USB_PWC02:34
joris_/boot/config-2.6.8.1-3-386:2562: trying to assign nonexistent symbol USB_EAGLE02:34
joris_/boot/config-2.6.8.1-3-386:2664: trying to assign nonexistent symbol ASFS_FS02:34
joris_/boot/config-2.6.8.1-3-386:2665: trying to assign nonexistent symbol ASFS_RW02:34
zenwhen:) :)02:34
kalleboo:O02:34
joris_Anyone here knows whats the deal?02:34
LinuxJonesjoris_, did you unpack the kernel source and create the linux link in /usr/src ?02:34
joris_yeah02:35
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joris_i downlaoded it in usr/src and unpacked it02:35
joris_and from there i went building02:35
LinuxJonesjoris_, are you sure the linux link is pointing to the correct directory ?02:35
LinuxJonesjoris_, cd /usr/src02:36
joris_well02:36
derJuniorLinuxJones: thx02:36
joris_i run make menuconfig from /usr/src/linux-2.6.9 or something02:36
LinuxJonesjoris_, then  ln -s /usr/src/<whatever directory has the source > linux02:36
LinuxJonesderJunior, :)02:37
joris_sh-2.05b# ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.6.902:38
joris_ln: `./linux-2.6.9': cannot overwrite directory02:38
joris_Do you have any idea what's going in?02:38
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derJuniorjoris_: what was the exact command?02:39
joris_what command do you mean?02:39
derJuniorsh-2.05b# ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.6.9  <-- ist thist the command?02:39
joris_yeah02:39
joris_it's a C&P02:40
derJuniorln -s /usr/src/linux-2.6.9 /usr/src/linux02:40
joris_no clue what ln is doing, but i'm used to just unpack the source, run make menuconfig and voila...02:40
kapputuanyone uses Dyndns at home ?02:40
joris_do i need to rename the directory derJunior?02:40
derJuniorjordi:02:40
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derJuniorjoris_:  no, you make an symlink from the kernel directory to /usr/src/linux02:41
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joris_yeah ok02:41
joris_but i still get the errors02:41
joris_:(02:41
derJuniorthe same?02:41
derJunioris there allready a /usr/src/linux?02:41
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derJuniorthen delet ist02:41
joris_no02:41
joris_sh-2.05b# pwd02:41
joris_/usr/src/linux02:41
joris_sh-2.05b# make menuconfig02:41
joris_scripts/kconfig/mconf arch/i386/Kconfig02:41
joris_#02:41
joris_# using defaults found in /boot/config-2.6.8.1-3-38602:41
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joris_#02:41
joris_/boot/config-2.6.8.1-3-386:84: trying to assign nonexistent symbol X86_EMU48602:41
joris_/boot/config-2.6.8.1-3-386:120: trying to assign nonexistent symbol PM_DISK02:42
joris_/boot/config-2.6.8.1-3-386:489: trying to assign nonexistent symbol BLK_DEV_ADMA/boot/config-2.6.8.1-3-386:538: trying to assign nonexistent symbol CHR_DEV_SCH02:42
joris_/boot/config-2.6.8.1-3-386:584: trying to assign nonexistent symbol SCSI_MEGARAID02:42
joris_there you go02:42
LinuxJonesjoris_, stop02:42
kapputuuse www.pastebin.com02:42
derJuniorjoris_: nopaste.info <-- past something like that here02:42
joris_lol sorry :)02:42
joris_but can you guys see the errors?02:42
derJunioryes, but i really don't understand what you are trying02:43
derJuniorwhat command ist pwd?02:43
joris_jsut to show you the directory02:43
joris_that's all02:43
derJunioroh02:43
derJuniorisn't ls easier?02:43
joris_all i'm doing is running make menuconfig from /usr/src/linux02:43
derJunior*G*02:43
derJuniorjordi: ls -l /usr/src/linux02:44
AardderJunior: you should read man pwd and man ls. really.02:44
joris_sh-2.05b# ls -l /usr/src/linux02:44
joris_lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     src            20 2004-10-31 14:40 /usr/src/linux -> /usr/src/linux-2.6.902:44
derJuniorAard: okay i will do it :)02:45
joris_i don't get it :(02:45
joris_I cannot compile this kernel and without that i cannot access my aft32 partition02:45
joris_since there's no fat32 support in the kernel that shipped with 4.1002:46
derJuniorAard: okay now i know the differense02:46
kentjoris_, isn't it?02:46
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joris_no :(02:46
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Aardjoris_: modprobe vfat or something like this?02:46
joris_well02:46
joris_when i use the vfat type02:46
joris_it mounts02:46
MagicFabLooking for help to perform a backup before trying Ubuntu02:46
TJL2anybody here any good at troubleshooting alsa? my sound has suddenly gone weird today!02:46
MagicFabWhat would be the syntax for archiving my whole (existing) /home directory ?02:47
joris_I can see nicely all the directory's etc., but when i go back to gnome, gnome says those directory's are unknown files02:47
joris_very strange aswell02:47
TJL2everything sounds warbly02:47
crimsunMagicFab: tar cf /tmp/home.tar /home02:47
MagicFabcrimsun> tx. what would restore it ?02:47
crimsunMagicFab: presuming you have enough space in /tmp to create an archive of /home02:47
kentjoris_, i dont think a new kernel will help you.02:47
joris_hmm02:48
MagicFabcrimsun> will tar compress too ?02:48
crimsunMagicFab: tar xf home.tar02:48
crimsunMagicFab: no, tar only archives.02:48
joris_well how should i mount my fat32 partition then?02:48
TJL2cp /tmp/home.tar / && cd / && tar xf home.tar02:48
derJuniorjordi: do you mount as root?02:48
kentjoris_,  mount -t vfat /dev/where /mount/point..02:48
joris_yeah, that's what i'm doing, and that works for 50%. Kent02:49
derJuniorjoris_: i mean02:49
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joris_In my terminal i can se ethigns nicely, but in Gnome everything looks screwed02:49
kentjoris_, could you take a screenshot and send it to me? :)02:49
joris_sure thing :p02:49
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derJuniorjoris_: me to?02:50
rwabelhi02:50
joris_sure02:51
rwabelis it normal that with ubuntu the kde programs all need root permission to start?02:51
joris_kent, can you give me a mailaddress?02:51
joris_in PM02:51
kapputuany suggestions for a DynDns client ???02:51
kentjoris_, nyberg.kent@spray.se  but you could send it over dcc in irc aswell, but its ok with mail.02:52
MagicFabrwabel> Ubuntu runs as the first user it's setup with, root02:52
MagicFabrwabel> are you talking about another user you created ?02:52
rwabelMagicGab: no02:53
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rwabelwhen start it normally they crash02:53
rwabelwhen I start with sudo they work fine02:53
MagicFabrwabel> r u asked for a password everytime ? What's the application(s)02:53
rwabelimgview02:53
rwabelgwenview02:53
kapputufirefox just crashed on me :-(02:53
rwabelno he asks me only once for the password in the same terminal02:54
MagicFabrwabel> usually you're _always_ running as root, from what I've seen02:54
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MagicFabwhy would you need to sudo ?02:54
rwabelroot user is diasbled on ubuntu by default02:54
joris_kent and derJunior, you got mail02:54
joris_take a look at it02:54
derJuniorjoris_: one moment02:54
rwabelbecause of kde problems I guess ;-)02:54
MagicFabrwabel> it's my understanding that the first user you setup is the same as root, no matter what02:54
rwabelk3b you have to start with sudo otherwise it doesn't work02:55
Gmailhttp://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002ZAEY0.01-A1NDBS7YGOPBD6._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg02:55
MagicFabthat's what lets you go configure pretty much everything (a common complaint I've seen around)02:55
Gmailopps wrong tab02:55
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rwabelMagicFab: you don't have root permission with the user you set up. it's a normal user. root user is disabled (doesn't exist on ubuntu)02:55
suifurMagicFab: no user can be setup "as root", he can be given privelages etc., but he's still not uid 0 gid 002:55
MagicFabCan someone confirm what I'm saying ? Haven't tried much stuff except the Live CD version02:56
MagicFabsuifur> tx. I should stop velieving every review :)02:56
rwabelfact is that several kde programs only work when I use sudo02:56
suifurMagicFab: most of the people do reviews are biased, uneducated, and at best... mildly retarded02:56
suifurrwabel: hence why i hate kde ;)02:57
kentjoris_, it looks strange indeed :)02:57
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MagicFabsuifur> well, that was on linuxfr.org , usually they know their stuff02:57
rwabelsuifur: hehe I hate it too, but some applications are worth to use them on gnome too02:57
suifurMagicFab: heh, they must have misunderstood the setup02:57
MagicFabsuifur> so what's one to do if root is needed ?02:57
joris_haha that's what i mean kent :)02:57
suifurMagicFab: shouldn't be... sudo should suffice02:57
MagicFabsuifur> that's what I meant02:58
suifurah i see02:58
joris_But i wanna get it straight, by adding ntfs support to my kernel, but checkout the lower window and watch the errors i get when i close the make menuconfig thing02:58
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rwabelI get that error message when starting showimg normally02:58
rwabeltrying to create local folder: Permission denied02:58
rwabelfailed to create /home/rwabel/.kde/socket-ralph/02:58
rwabeltrying to create local folder: Permission denied02:58
rwabelfailed to create /home/rwabel/.kde/socket-ralph/02:58
rwabelkdeinit: Aborting. bind() failed: : Permission denied02:58
rwabelCould not bind to socket '/home/rwabel/.kde/socket-ralph/kdeinit__0'02:58
rwabelERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't setup DCOP communication.02:58
Treenaksjoris_: you don't want to recompile your kernel, NTFS support is included02:58
derJuniorjoris_: what right have this directories?02:59
suifuri'm a convert from Debian Sarge, to this... got tired of configging EVERYTHING in the system, Ubuntu does it for me :)02:59
GeosBwhy use ubuntu not the last mesa system ?02:59
joris_Err dunno02:59
derJuniorno it can not be the problem02:59
rwabelwhen I start it with sudo it works fine, but it fucks up thee .ICEauthority02:59
kentjoris_, I have no clue at all whats wrong, only guessing either corrupted filesystem or maybe som problem with the language-code (or what ever its called)?02:59
TreenaksGeosB: "last mesa system" ?02:59
joris_Yeah02:59
Treenaksrwabel: use gksu02:59
GeosBglxinfo tell it  the old 40403:00
GeosBand not the new 6.203:00
TreenaksGeosB: so?03:00
LinuxJonesrwabel, kde is unsupported on Ubuntu03:00
rwabeltreenaks: Failed to run showimg as user root:03:00
rwabel Child terminated with 1 status03:00
helkanaurIm new to linux. Just installed Ubuntu... feels like I have jumped into deep water.. and I'm not shure if I can swim :/03:00
joris_Well kent, i used PQMagic to convert the old ntfs fs to fat32, could that be the problem?03:00
rwabellinuxjones: well is kde as window manager unsupported or the kde applications?03:00
suifurhelkanaur: try installing slackware or debian, then you'd be in deep water03:00
helkanaurhehe :)03:01
suifurhelkanaur: you're just going to be fighting a steep learning curve03:01
rwabelhelkanaur: it's quit easy to swim with ubuntu ;-)03:01
kentjoris_, dont know. Perhaps you could run scandisk or some other sort of filesystem-check program on windows to see if its something wrong with the filesystem?03:01
suifurhelkanaur: http://linuxfordummies.org <--- lots of good tutorials :)03:01
helkanaurAh.. thanks.03:01
suifurim one of the maintainers there :)03:01
helkanaur:)03:01
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GeosBore try the new mepis 2004.04 and it have java on  to03:02
rwabelTreenaks: gksu can't work when there is no root user, right?03:02
suifurhelkanaur: we have an irc channel too, #lfd03:02
LinuxJonesrwabel, everything is unsupported right now.03:02
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rwabellinuxjones: ahh ok, any chance that this will be fixed?03:03
joris_well the fs is availible for me in windows kent03:03
joris_In Windows everything works fine03:04
Treenaksrwabel: there IS a root user.. it's just disabled03:04
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LinuxJonesrwabel, they are planning to support in future releases but Ubuntu is a Gnome based distro and that will be their main focus.03:04
Treenaksrwabel: gksu = sudo for X03:04
rwabeltreenaks: ah thanks03:04
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derJuniorrwabel: you can use the su command03:05
LinuxJonesrwabel, If you really like KDE then maybe you will be better off, for now, using another distro ;)03:05
rwabellinuxjones: that's what I like about ubuntu it's gnome based, but some kde application support would make it the best03:05
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restrexhi guys03:05
rwabellinuxjones: I don't want kde, but I want to run some applications like showimg and gwenview03:05
joris_anyone else that can help me out with this filesystem crap? :(03:05
LinuxJonesrwabel, ya There are a few apps that I really like (K3b) :)03:05
kentjoris_, you could run scandisk anyway, maybe it will report errors?03:05
joris_yeah ok03:06
rwabelk3b is unbeatale, but same problem03:06
joris_i'll give it a try03:06
derJuniora life without k3b ist really bad *G*03:06
joris_thanks for your help m8y03:06
derJuniorit's the only KDE tool i use under gnome03:06
joris_i'm rebooting to Windows..03:06
rwabelthe only other cd burning tool that works is xcdroast03:06
derJuniorrwabel: but it isn't such easy and confortable as k3b03:06
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rwabeltreenaks: but gksu must work different. gksu doesn't work but sudo does03:07
Treenaksrwabel: it might.. but what are you trying to run?03:07
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rwabelderJunior: that's right! I used it because I first could make k3b to work. then I found the how to ;-)03:08
rwabeltreenaks: showimg and also gwenview03:08
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restrexLinuxJones, hi, emm, how can i configure mi internet adsl connection? I have configured by pppoeconf, and the computer connects, but I don't know... my computer doesn't connect to internet, and I've made pings by console (www.google.cl) but it can't reslove host...    :) :S03:08
Treenaksrwabel: what are they?03:08
Treenaksrwabel: and why would you want to run them as root?03:08
rwabeltreenaks: image viewers, because when I start them as user they crash03:09
restrexoh, sorry, this irc client is so bad :S03:09
Naporestrex: do you have a ip address now on your interface?03:09
restrexyes03:09
Treenaksrwabel:  well, you could look at the error message..03:09
Treenaksrwabel: and running them as root is NOT a good idea03:09
restrexi put  192.168.0.6 :)03:09
kapputuhi restrex03:10
restrexknow i'm connecting by proxy03:10
restrexhii :D03:10
restrex:P03:10
rwabeltreenaks: I know it's not the best.03:10
rwabeltreenaks: that's the error message:03:10
rwabeltrying to create local folder: Permission denied03:10
rwabelfailed to create /home/rwabel/.kde/socket-ralph/03:10
rwabeltrying to create local folder: Permission denied03:10
rwabelfailed to create /home/rwabel/.kde/socket-ralph/03:10
rwabelkdeinit: Aborting. No write access to '/home/rwabel/.ICEauthority'.03:10
rwabelERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't setup DCOP communication.03:10
Naporestrex: yes ... but ... you have'nt a internet addres? Only to understand if the connection is working03:10
kapputuLinuxJones: I'm looking for a good DynDns client, I'm behind two routers, so it must be kinda easy to set this up03:10
kapputuany clues ?03:10
bkwWith livecd one's able to configure more in detail during the installation, have I understood the diffrence correctly?03:10
restrexmm03:10
restrexyes03:10
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Treenaksrwabel: remove .ICEauthority..03:11
restrexthe connection is working, but know I configured this pc to access inet by socks proxy03:11
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Treenaksrwabel: is your home directory owned by you? and the .kde directory? and everything in it?03:11
Treenaksrwabel: that might be the problem..03:11
restrexhow can i configure mi internet adsl connection? I have configured by pppoeconf, and the computer connects,03:11
restrexbut I don't know... my computer doesn't connect to internet, and I've made pings by console (www.google.cl) but it can't reslove host...    :) :S03:12
Naporestrex: if you ping a numeric ip address (like 66.102.11.99 = www.google.cl) you have problems?03:12
restrexyes03:12
rwabeltreenaks: home dir is owned by myself but the .kde is owned by root03:12
restrex!  it doesn'r resol host03:12
restrex!  it doesn't resolve host03:12
restrex:S03:12
Treenaksrwabel: well, chown it to be owned by you..03:12
Treenaksrwabel: including everything in it03:12
Treenaksrwabel: and don't run KDE programs as root03:13
Treenaksrwabel: (except using gksu)03:13
netmonkanyone with Ubuntu and Toshiba Satellite????03:13
rwabeltreenaks: thanks, I'll try that03:13
netmonkanyone with Ubuntu and Toshiba Satellite????03:14
Treenaksnetmonk: asking once is enough03:14
restrexmmm03:14
netmonksory Treenaks03:14
restrexNapo, I want to cennet to internet directly because I want to update apt03:14
restrex:S03:14
restrexI can't access to packeges with socks v4 connection03:15
restrex:S03:15
rwabeltreenaks: works fine now. cool03:15
rwabeltreenaks: do you know why .kde is owned by root and not by the user?03:15
Treenaksrwabel: you started a KDE app as root.03:15
restrexhow can I configure apt to connect by proxy socks? I know how to connect, but by http proxy and ftp, but I have only socks v403:16
restrex:S03:16
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rwabeltreenaks: I started k3b with sudo, right03:16
timothynetmonk: depending on what your question about it is ... I have a Toshiba satellite and can start it up with the Ubuntu live CD.03:17
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Treenaksrwabel: there you go...03:17
timothynetmonk: I'd be no help with anything network related about it, though -- I think the PCMCIA slots are dead on the Satellite.03:18
timothyThis offer good only until I go to breakfast :)03:18