[12:00] <kapputu> ogra, I'm serious
[12:00] <kapputu> let me know if you need any help
[12:00] <ogra> kapputu: i'll do, but i'm myself not used to moinmoin wiki markup...best way to learn is to use ;)
[12:01] <kapputu> ic
[12:01] <LinuxJones> It is Halloween here tonight and I havn't had 1 kid in 2 hours wth ?
[12:01] <HWolf> ogra, can you help me a bit? I *still* Have to make my conn go up manually each time I reboot.
[12:01] <ogra> kapputu: now the marillat link is like before
[12:01] <kapputu> yep
[12:02] <ogra> LinuxJones: i'd come over but....
[12:02] <kapputu> how do I install wmv, rpm, mpg, mp3 plugins for firefox ?
[12:02] <ogra> HWolf: ?
[12:02] <kapputu> does rhythmbox provide any plugins
[12:02] <kapputu> I normally use mplayer plugins
[12:03] <LinuxJones> ogra, heh
[12:03] <HWolf> If I don't type 'sudo route add default ppp0' I don't have internet. That, it's slow, and it downs if I use thunderbird. :-S
[12:03] <ogra> toresbe: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:03] <LinuxJones> ogra, I would give you 50 bags of potato chips since I apparently will be left with them all :P
[12:04] <ogra> HWolf: its in /etc/ppp anywhere, i dig it up ....
[12:05] <ogra> LinuxJones: would go fine with the 1999 crianza im drinking right now ;)
[12:05] <LinuxJones> ogra, heh I am drinking some Alexander Keith's India Pale Ale mmmmm
[12:05] <tuxx> Doesn't Ubuntu support USB 2.0 ? My external drive transfers at about USB 1.1 after installation of Ubuntu :-(
[12:06] <ogra> slurp
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[12:06] <restrex> sorry man, hehe, noiw i am in ubuntu
[12:06] <restrex> :)
[12:06] <restrex> you said me
[12:06] <restrex> ppoeconfig?
[12:06] <restrex> where can i fin it?
[12:07] <restrex> :)
[12:07] <ogra> HWolf: whats in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ ?
[12:07] <dtradd> ogra: Hi!!!
[12:07] <ogra> hi
[12:07] <ogra> reinstalled ?
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[12:07] <dtradd> ogra: I'm talking to you from Gaim's IRC client!
[12:07] <ogra> yay
[12:07] <restrex> i have found EnterNet for Linux
[12:07] <dtradd> ogra: Yep, I reinstalled.
[12:08] <LinuxJones> omg I had my 1st Trick or Treater so I gave her 5 bags of chips and 5 candy bars
[12:08] <HWolf> ogra:
[12:08] <credmp> oh yea... happy halloween everyone!
[12:08] <HWolf> 4 files:
[12:08] <HWolf> 0000usepeerdns  0clampmss  0dns-up  fetchmail  postfix
[12:08] <dtradd> ogra: Thanks for everything, it's working perfectly now,
[12:08] <LinuxJones> restrex, sorry my bad pppoeconf
[12:09] <restrex> hihihi, no, thanx, jiji
[12:09] <restrex> :P
   where can i find pppoeconf on ubuntu? or i have to download it
[12:10] <restrex> ? :S :)
[12:11] <kapputu> ogra, you are making a lot of people stick to Ubuntu
[12:11] <LinuxJones> restrex, it is available for download
[12:11] <kapputu> great work !
[12:11] <restrex> ok thanks LinuxJones
[12:11] <restrex> :)
[12:11] <HWolf> Kapputu, that's exactly right.
[12:12] <ogra> HWolf: kapputu thats my mission ;)
[12:12] <dtradd> ogra: Well you're succeeding in your mission, I just erased my Fedora partition and changed to Ubuntu
[12:12] <LinuxJones> restrex, it might be installed as default
[12:13] <kapputu> thanks to you guys, I have ubuntus on all 3 machines
[12:13] <River> I'm trying to install it on a hard RAID1 and it just won't boot from RAID... I don't think my hardware is at fault - it seems to be setup and working fine
[12:13] <ogra> dtradd: hooray
[12:14] <River> boots fine when I install on priIDE but then the new install can't seem to startx on an s3 card
[12:14] <ogra> River: has the controller a linux driver ? what kind of raid ?
[12:15] <dtradd> ogra: Thank you for your help
[12:15] <kapputu> ogra, mplayer gave me some problems after I installed it
[12:15] <kapputu> I think i'll compile it from source
[12:15] <kapputu> has worked for me always
[12:16] <ogra> kapputu: what kind ?
[12:16] <ogra> kapputu: should work
[12:16] <kapputu> if I copy the codecs from mplayer site to /usr/local/lib/codecs would it overwrite w32codecs ?
[12:16] <kapputu> something to do with AMD 64
[12:16] <LinuxJones> BrianB04, just ask :)
[12:17] <BrianB04> Okay, sound doesn't work...despite it finding the card...
[12:17] <topyli> kapputu: i need to build my own mplayer too one day (i have a matrox card, i guess i might as well make use of it)
[12:17] <ogra> kapputu: recompile wont help ;)
[12:17] <kapputu> hmm I'll try still
[12:17] <toresbe> Argh!
[12:17] <ogra> kapputu: w_32_ is not amd_64_
[12:17] <kapputu> I don't get u
[12:17] <toresbe> WHY isn't Ubuntu running on X.org? It seems pretty good with regard to not being afraid to run new stuff!
[12:18] <ogra> kapputu: w32 is for 32bit arch you got a 64 bit arch
[12:18] <kapputu> no I don
[12:18] <kapputu> dont
[12:18] <BrianB04> Actually, maybe it's not finding the card...hrmmmm
[12:18] <kapputu> AMD 700Mhz is not 64 bit
[12:18] <|trey|> toresbe, its not that its afraid, its that Xorg isn't different enough yet... the goal is modularity... Xorg is not modular at this time...
[12:19] <LinuxJones> BrianB04, try running gstreamer-properties
[12:19] <kapputu> so you guys develop everything in C ?
[12:19] <kapputu> or is there any other language used ?
[12:19] <|trey|> kapputu, not everything is in C... but most, sure...
[12:19] <kapputu>  I want to contribute something
[12:19] <ogra> kapputu: you just talked about amd64 probs with w32 codecs
[12:19] <BrianB04> Then what LinuxJones
[12:20] <kapputu> 1 sec ogra, I'm installing some stuff
[12:20] <kapputu> after that I'll install mplayer
[12:20] <ogra> kapputu: dont use /usr/local if you dont need to
[12:20] <kapputu> and tell you what the problem is
[12:20] <fsc> unbuntu is a big python fan, which is cool
[12:20] <toresbe> |trey|: I see. Thanks for enlightening me :)
[12:20] <|trey|> fsc, unbuntu?
[12:21] <fsc> |trey|, yeah
[12:21] <|trey|> fsc, Hoary will have a new X server Soon (tm)  8)
[12:21] <dtradd> ogra: It's a nice distro indeed. Under Fedora I had to write a script to get my USB Flash memory working. Ubuntu just detected it. Plug and Play
[12:21] <dtradd> ogra: and not plug and pray
[12:21] <|trey|> fsc, only one n  ;)
[12:21] <fsc> trey: it's called a typo
[12:21] <|trey|> fsc, ...
[12:22] <BrianB04> Hmmm it's failing...and I don't know what kinda card is in this to know what to look for to load
[12:22] <kapputu> BrianB04, type lspci -n
[12:22] <kapputu> and see if you have a Multimedia Audio Controller
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[12:22] <restrex> :(
[12:23] <kapputu> restrex,  ??
[12:23] <restrex> i can't find the internet
[12:23] <restrex> connection
[12:23] <fsc> so is Hoary going to be experimental.  I thought there was a 6 mos. release schedule
[12:23] <restrex> :(
[12:23] <BrianB04> Yea, I see it listed in there
[12:23] <kapputu> restrex, I have absolutely no experience with dialup connections
[12:23] <kapputu> what does it say after the colon ?
[12:24] <|trey|> fsc, Hoary is basically like the devel release... it can be used, but at your own risk...
[12:24] <BrianB04> Which colon?
[12:24] <|trey|> You can use packages individually though...
[12:24] <kapputu> Multimedia Audio Controller:
[12:24] <fsc> hm...i'm really happy with what I got now.  The best desktop linux i've ever had
[12:24] <ogra> |trey|: NO
[12:24] <BrianB04> AC'97 Intel...not in that order;)
[12:25] <fsc> but the dev release is tempting
[12:25] <kapputu> |trey|, you have a client
[12:25] <|trey|> ogra, a dev instucted that yesturday...
[12:25] <LinuxJones> fsc, it is not very stable :P
[12:25] <Kirsch> hey, is there anyone here who is having a problem with Ubuntu on laptop, when shutting it giving u issues coming back to X?
[12:25] <ogra> |trey|: nobody can support that, it can break a lot...never mix hoary/warty and dont advise to
[12:25] <Kirsch> i think i just made a fix
[12:25] <fsc> LinuxJones, I plan on waiting a while anyway.  I thought you couldn't even get Hoary yet?
[12:25] <|trey|> ogra, someone pointed at xchat... check log and talk to them ...
[12:25] <fsc> Kirsch, I run on a laptop and have no problems
[12:26] <LinuxJones> fsc, it was made available like 2 days ago but needs alot of work
[12:26] <ogra> |trey|: jdub advised the opposite ! switch completely is ok but unstable
[12:26] <Kirsch> when closing the lid
[12:26] <BrianB04> "Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)"
[12:26] <djzorro> Hello guys. Anyone know if there's a ready made .deb for pearpc for Ubuntu?
[12:26] <Kirsch> shutting it = closing it (lid)
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[12:26] <restrex> :S
[12:26] <fsc> LinuxJones, I'll wait at least a couple months.  I'm happy with what I have now
[12:26] <kapputu> ogra, you want to know about the error I get when I try to start gmplayer ?
[12:26] <BrianB04> So it sees it...
[12:26] <LinuxJones> fsc, my motto is if it ain't broken don't fix it :)
[12:27] <ogra> kapputu: k
[12:27] <kapputu> should I post here ?
[12:27] <[Phaedrus] > Is anyone here from India or anywhere near India?
[12:27] <ogra> kapputu: not----> pm
[12:27] <|trey|> djzorro, been looking at that... no ROM's though  :(
[12:27] <fsc> LinuxJones, I've been running Linux off and on on the desktop for the last 7 years...even professionaly developing for it, but Ubuntu is the first linux desktop I've been very happy with
[12:27] <kapputu> hmm I see what the problem i
[12:27] <altan> hi guys, I'm having some trouble burning CDs with nautilus-cd-burner, I did it successfully two days ago but I lost the URL which showed me how to do it. It involved changing the permission on a /var and/or /dev file, else it won't write even as root
[12:27] <kapputu> is
[12:27] <kapputu> I installed mplayer-custom
[12:28] <kapputu> it says it was compiled for MMX MMX2 SSE SSE2
[12:28] <kapputu> but mine is an AMD
[12:28] <ogra> kapputu: why not mplayer-586
[12:28] <dieg1> is there a bootsplash howto?
[12:28] <kapputu> AMD k75
[12:28] <[Phaedrus] > kapputu: that shouldnt be a problem...
[12:28] <[Phaedrus] > what is it though?
[12:28] <LinuxJones> fsc, I am very impressed as well. I was a Debian guy for 4 years until I checked this out and I am not going back :)
[12:28] <[Phaedrus] > AMD athlon?
[12:28] <|trey|> kapputu, mplayer-k6 (supports k7 too)
[12:28] <altan> I'd rather not download k3b or any other tool since I was able to do it the other day, I just forgot how, and the link was in a very small and obscure thread that I wasn't able to uncover by searching
[12:29] <jpvcx> BrianB04: What error message do you get when you try to play a sound file?
[12:29] <kapputu> yeah Athlon
[12:29] <[Phaedrus] > or the ancient k6's
[12:29] <fsc> LinuxJones, yeah...been through most of them...debian, gentoo, slack, mandrake, redhat a long time ago
[12:29] <|trey|> The new mplayer rules  8)
[12:29] <kapputu> mplayer-k6 complains of broken dependencies
[12:29] <ogra> kapputu: what packages ?
[12:29] <|trey|> kapputu, ahh... mine is working in hoary  :(
[12:29] <altan> can anyone help? I found the instructions to do it on a Bugzilla page, but I'm almost 100% certain it was on a page unrelated to Ubuntu
[12:30] <topyli> dieg1: http://www.bootsplash.org/
[12:30] <kapputu> |trey|, you use hoary ?
[12:30] <dieg1> topyli: thanks i suppose
[12:30] <kapputu> libartsc0, libggi2, libungif4g
[12:30] <topyli> dieg1: i haven't done that myself, but i remembered there's a site :)
[12:30] <kapputu> the latest versions of these packages are installed but it needs older ones
[12:31] <|trey|> kapputu, *nods*
[12:31] <ogra> kapputu: shouldnt be
[12:31] <Phr0stByte> I only see an mplayer-custom
[12:31] <LinuxJones> altan, what error is coming up ?
[12:31] <Phr0stByte> are there more?
[12:31] <dieg1> topyli: i have to recompile my kernel? :(
[12:31] <kapputu> hi topyli, web
[12:31] <altan> LJ: Reload blank media
[12:31] <topyli> dieg1: yes, in debian/ubuntu
[12:31] <altan> Insert blank CD, something along the liens of that
[12:32] <topyli> kapputu: hola
[12:32] <ogra> kapputu: tried mplayer-k7
[12:32] <ogra> ?
[12:32] <dieg1> topyli: is there a way to start configuring my new kernel exactly like mine is now?
[12:32] <Phr0stByte> ogra: i only see an mplayer-custom
[12:32] <Phr0stByte> ogra: where are the others?
[12:32] <kapputu> mplayer-k7 depends mplayer-k6
[12:33] <LinuxJones> altan, are you sure the media is blank ?
[12:33] <ogra> kapputu: oh
[12:33] <altan> LinuxJones: Yes.
[12:33] <ogra> Phr0stByte: on mine they are there
[12:33] <Phr0stByte> ogra: is there an athlon package?
[12:33] <Kirsch> hey guys, i have an evo n800c and there are 6 multimedia keys total, but xev only see's 3 of them, is there a way i can detect the other 6 keys?
[12:33] <topyli> dieg1: yes, there's an option to load a config file from /boot or wherever it's stored, and start from there. sorry, i haven't compiled a kernel in years :)
[12:33] <altan> I have tried with other blank media, no go
[12:33] <ogra> Phr0stByte: the -k7
[12:33] <ogra> Phr0stByte: amd64 ????
[12:33] <usual> has anyone seen any grub or bootsplash screen themes for ubuntu
[12:33] <dieg1> topyli: well i suppose i could just cp it to .config, cool
[12:33] <ogra> Phr0stByte: nope
[12:33] <topyli> dieg1: yes, it's in /boot
[12:34] <topyli> dieg1: no, you use an option like make oldconfig or something. rtfm :)
[12:34] <Phr0stByte> ogra: they arent Ubuntu packages?
[12:34] <dieg1> topyli: why would it matter?
[12:34] <topyli> dieg1: dunno. it's The Way It Is Done =)
[12:35] <ogra> Phr0stByte: nope, from marillat: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats see the bottom
[12:35] <dieg1> topyli: well I Like To Know Why =)
[12:35] <dieg1> hehe
[12:35] <LinuxJones> altan, try burning again then get the exact error and do a search on www.google.com/linux you will probably get a ton of ways to work around it. Off the top of my head I don't know what it could be :(
[12:35] <dieg1> if i'm on the same kernel version i don't see why it would make a difference
[12:35] <topyli> dieg1: all this is on a need-to-know basis you understand :)
[12:35] <altan> LJ, done that, and UbuntuForums
[12:36] <kapputu> wb |trey|
[12:36] <altan> I think I got it on Google the other day but it was almost by accident, it was on the 8th page of results among a bunch of czech pages or something
[12:36] <amr> i hate my computer.
[12:36] <amr> i get sound working, usb fails
[12:36] <amr> usb fails,
[12:36] <amr> networking config thingy fails
[12:37] <diego> i'm tired of this n00b that keeps using my nick :(
[12:37] <|trey|> kapputu, gratzi  :)
[12:37] <amr> FINE JUST IGNORE ME ILL RM -RF *
[12:37] <amr> :'(
[12:37] <kapputu> ogra, BrianB04 has volume controls working but no sound
[12:37] <|trey|> amr, yup, cuz thats will make us care more...
[12:37] <LinuxJones> amr, don't be so rude
[12:37] <restrex> are there a problem configuring a web server with a proxy internet connection??
[12:37] <ogra> BrianB04: unmuted everything ?
[12:38] <BrianB04> ogra, Yep yep
[12:38] <amr> is it worth me doing a reinstall?
[12:38] <|trey|> I mean with out you here, it would just worry us so much that you made your computer useless...
[12:38] <amr> ive just installed ubuntu this minute
[12:38] <ogra> BrianB04: hmm
[12:38] <[Phaedrus] > has anybody tried using xcompmgr
[12:38] <kapputu> what's that used for [Phaedrus]  ?
[12:39] <kapputu> btw [Phaedrus]  ltnc
[12:39] <LinuxJones> amr, if you have a problem then ask don't just join the IRC Channel and start whining about it
[12:39] <[Phaedrus] > X enhancements
[12:39] <|trey|> kapputu, afaik, composition in xorg
 are there a problem configuring a web server with a proxy internet connection??
[12:39] <[Phaedrus] > ltnc?
[12:39] <amr> :'(
[12:39] <LinuxJones> amr, jsut tell us what is wrong
[12:39] <ogra> |Pahe: no x.org yet
[12:39] <kapputu> long time no c
[12:39] <[Phaedrus] > ah:)
[12:39] <amr> I got alsa working just now, now when i plug a usb drive in it just ignores it like nothings there, nothing shows in fstab
[12:40] <BrianB04> I didn't even notice the lack of sound until I realized the Gaim should be making noise, and it's not.
[12:40] <[Phaedrus] > nice to see you too man..
[12:40] <amr> before I rebooted that had worked 100%
[12:40] <kapputu> haven't configured it yet restrex
[12:40] <[Phaedrus] > ogra, are you talking to me?
[12:40] <restrex> ok :)
[12:40] <ogra> yep
[12:40] <[Phaedrus] > i think xcompmgr works with Xfree86
[12:40] <amr> and now when i try to change my network settings by going, Computer -> System Configuration -> Network
[12:40] <diego> amr: nothing should show up in fstab should it?
[12:40] <kapputu> welcome back usual
[12:40] <kapputu> as usual
[12:40] <ogra> [Phaedrus] : that would be news to me ;)
[12:40] <|trey|> composition is still labelled "experimental" though, thus not included with most distro's  :(
[12:40] <kapputu> ;-)
[12:40] <[Phaedrus] > thanks kapputu
[12:40] <usual> kapputu, thanks :)
[12:40] <amr> diego, not sure :S
[12:40] <topyli> diego: the ubuntu team has some evil plan to make something cooler than a bootsplash for hoary, but no-one seems to know what it is exactly :)
[12:40] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , pretty sure it doesn't  :/
[12:45] <[Phaedrus] > ogra: i distinctly remember seeing a screenshot with it applied
[12:45] <[Phaedrus] > all shadows and stuff
[12:45] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , its one of the selling points for Xorg, why would a community that wants you to use Xorg make something that makes the selling point obsolete?
[12:45] <diego> topyli: hehe...leet. gensplash (gentoo) seems to be doing some good but mine doesn't kick in as soon as i'd like it to
[12:45] <ogra> [Phaedrus] : in xfree ? never
[12:45] <[Phaedrus] > hmm... maybe i was wrong... let me check again
[12:45] <diego> topyli: (on my other box)
[12:45] <[Phaedrus] > how much do they charge for X.org anyways?
[12:45] <diego> [Phaedrus] : come again
[12:45] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , entirely open and free...
[12:45] <amr> I'm off to reinstall, I'll see you shortly
[12:45] <[Phaedrus] > At present, only xcompmgr has had a formal release. Grab the newest tarball here http://freedesktop.org/~xapps/release/xcompmgr-1.1.tar.gz
[12:45] <amr> =(
[12:45] <topyli> diego: yeah, i don't know. they're talking about usplash (meaning it's in user space). but i really don't know
[12:45] <[Phaedrus] > Alright, so why cant we make Xcompmgr work for XFree again?
[12:45] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , www.x.org and www.freedesktop.org
[12:45] <[Phaedrus] > so, that's not going to work for Xfree eh?
[12:45] <ogra> [Phaedrus] : design prob, xfree wont work with compmgr
[12:45] <jdub> [Phaedrus] : because it doesn't have the composite extension
[12:45] <[Phaedrus] > hmm
[12:45] <[Phaedrus] > i was reading on it and they are saying X.org will be available for free with distributions starting next month
[12:45] <[Phaedrus] > do you think they'll make it in time?
[12:45] <[Phaedrus] > or is it going to be the open source rule again "it'll be released when it is done"
[12:45] <topyli> [Phaedrus] : why are you talking like x.org is not free now?
[12:45] <ogra> [Phaedrus] : its definately in hoary in april
[12:45] <[Phaedrus] > topyli: I am really confused now. So why are we still running XFREE?
[12:45] <jdub> [Phaedrus] : see the FAQ
[12:45] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , wierd... the first was Fedora Core 2 afaik...
[12:45] <|trey|> that was almost 6 months ago though...
[12:45] <[Phaedrus] > do you have a link jdub
[12:45] <topyli> [Phaedrus] : because the ubuntu folks thought it's not ready yet
[12:46] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , *cough* topic *cough*
[12:46] <[Phaedrus] > I havent been keeping up with the linux side of things for a while now |trey|
[12:46] <[Phaedrus] > oops... sorry
[12:46] <restrex> how can i enter to the console on ubuntu?
[12:47] <[Phaedrus] > okay, so let's say i install ubuntu. Is it possible to upgrade to X.org manually?
[12:47] <kapputu> does rhythmbox support mp3 ?
[12:47] <diego> [Phaedrus] : nothing is possible.
[12:47] <topyli> restrex: ctrl-alt-F2. back to X: ctrl-alt-F7. you have more consoles in between
[12:47] <[Phaedrus] > possible or impossible? :)
[12:47] <restrex> ok thanks topyli :)
[12:48] <LinuxJones> restrex, Applications >> System Tools >> Terminal
[12:48] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , not yet... they are working on it for Hoary  [yellface] 
[12:48] <diego> [Phaedrus] : i imagine it wouldn't be fun but definitely possible
[12:48] <[Phaedrus] > When the CDs ship out, will they be the current release.. or Hoary?
[12:48] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , they will be warty...
[12:48] <[Phaedrus] > alright
[12:48] <[Phaedrus] > i'm done for questions for today :)
[12:48] <[Phaedrus] > thanks |trey|
[12:48] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , yw  :)
[12:48] <[Phaedrus] > and you too diego
[12:48] <topyli> [Phaedrus] : sshhh... hoary is not a real entity yet :)
[12:49] <[Phaedrus] > haha
[12:49] <diego> i contributed nothing. take back your thanks
[12:49] <|trey|> topyli, I disagree  ^-^
[12:49] <[Phaedrus] > i am going to resist asking why, topyli
[12:49] <netmonk> can someone please tell me how to add fonts in ubuntu
[12:50] <|trey|> topyli, or else, I really wanna know where I got my current package set...
[12:50] <topyli> [Phaedrus] : ok, it's real enough for me to use, but it's not supposed to be the default ubuntu for users :)
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[12:50] <restrex> ufff
[12:50] <restrex> :P
[12:50] <restrex> i don't know how to logout
[12:50] <restrex> :P
[12:50] <restrex> jejeje
[12:50] <restrex> :P
[12:50] <restrex> well
[12:50] <topyli> restrex: you're trapped!
[12:50] <diego> restrex: quit flooding
[12:50] <jpvcx> kapputu:if you install gstreamer0.8-mad then it will support it/
[12:50] <restrex> now i'm right back
[12:50] <restrex> jiji
[12:50] <|trey|> restrex, stop flooding. enter is not a good substitute for grammer...
[12:51] <topyli> restrex: you're drunk or something
[12:51] <kapputu> and I use rhythmbox ?
[12:51] <[Phaedrus] > fair enough topyli... i assume you are part of the development team
[12:51] <sidney> i found that my LANG variable isn't set to en_US so how can I set it to en_US on startup or where it always uses it?
[12:52] <restrex> m, no, sorry, the people always critics me that, but i'm not a bad person, don't believe that, well, i'm writing decently now, jijiji, :P
[12:52] <|trey|> kapputu, Rhythmbox is nice... xmms can play mplayer stuff... via xmms-xmmplayer
[12:52] <diego> kapputu: hehe i read "bear"...so f--ked up
[12:52] <topyli> [Phaedrus] : no. i'm an erstwhile debian unstable user :)
[12:52] <kapputu> not able to add mp3s to my library
[12:52] <|trey|> topyli, afaict I am technically using Debian Sid right now  :)
[12:52] <|trey|> 3 years of it either way though  :)
[12:53] <cK-mazE> hey can anyone assist with getting an ati x800 running on amd64
[12:53] <kapputu> what's absinth ?
  how can i log in as root in the console? :)
[12:53] <[Phaedrus] > very daring topyli
[12:53] <|trey|> kapputu, you need gstreamer0.8-plugins-mad from universe.
[12:53] <HWolf> A very weird liquer.
[12:53] <topyli> [Phaedrus] : hoary and absinth? :)
[12:53] <jdub> gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:53] <LinuxJones> restrex, the root account is locked yo need to sudo -s then type your user's password
[12:53] <[Phaedrus] > there was a time when I had freebsd running and I was very daring with the unstable version of 5.0... after putting up with errors, i think i learnt to stick to stable releases :)
[12:53] <|trey|> jdub, yeah, my bad, thanks  :)
[12:54] <[Phaedrus] > the other one is called absinth? :)
[12:54] <topyli> kapputu: ok, absinth is an east european, very healthy and strong drink
[12:54] <sysop> topyli: healthy?
[12:54] <kapputu> healthy ??
[12:54] <|trey|> absinth = almost as bad as everclear...
[12:54] <topyli> sysop: it's the MEDICINE
[12:55] <HWolf> ogre: around?
[12:55] <sysop> topyli: ahh yeah...I forgot... ;-)
[12:55] <kapputu> HWolf, it's ogra
[12:55] <jbroome_> kapputu: now you do passive drinking?
[12:55] <kapputu> yeah
[12:55] <|trey|> kapputu, don't really drink at all due to Alcohol poisoning when I was young  :(
[12:55] <kapputu> good for you |trey|
[12:55] <ogra> HWolf: got 7 dcc's open currently...wait
[12:56] <topyli> kapputu: just smell my breath if you like :)
[12:56] <|trey|> I smote poke regularly though  8)
[12:56] <|trey|> shh though  ;)
[12:56] <HWolf> *blush*
[12:56] <kapputu> actually I drank a whole bottle of wine about a month back
[12:56] <kapputu> was good till 3/4th
[12:56] <kapputu> and should have stopped there
[12:56] <kapputu> drank the whole thing and threw up
[12:56] <kapputu> damn !!
[12:56] <HWolf> I got myself a bit of 40% last night, at once. :-) (fraterneties are cool)
[12:56] <cK-mazE> so is there anyway to get my ati x800 running w/ amd64 bit processor?
[12:57] <|trey|> kapputu, I'll drink the odd beer... I have to restrain myself though, so I just don't do things that make me sick etc...
 i put sudo -s   but after i can't follow writing, i can't write nothing :S
[12:57] <kapputu> yeah same thing |trey|
[12:57] <LinuxJones> kapputu, that sounds like familiar theme of mine from 20 years ago :)
[12:57] <kapputu> the odd beer keeps me healthy
[12:57] <topyli> kapputu: this bottle of absinth has lasted more than a week and there's still about a fifth left. you don't "drink a bottle of absinth" or something like that :)
[12:57] <diego> well bye bye, thanks for the advice topyli
[12:57] <|trey|> kapputu, the odd joint keeps me sane  8)
[12:57] <kapputu> I have thrown up only twice in all my years of drinking
[12:57] <kapputu> that's about six years
[12:58] <sidney> so how about it??? how can I permanatly set the LANG variable?
[12:58] <kapputu> hmm back then I used to take pride in being steady after a few pegs of rum :-(
[12:58] <topyli> |trey|: it's way saner than drinking
 i put sudo -s   but after i can't follow writing, i can't write nothing :S :/
[12:58] <LinuxJones> restrex, you have to add YOUR password after sudo -s and press enter
[12:58] <|trey|> kapputu, about 40 or so when I had alk poisoning... 20 times when I drank 11 beers once... 1 when I drank 7 beers once, but I was drunk the next day too...
[12:58] <restrex> ohhhhh
[12:58] <restrex> :P
[12:58] <restrex> :D
[12:58] <LinuxJones> :)
[12:59] <|trey|> topyli, I tend to do a lot of whatever I am doing... that leads to bad things with most things  :(
[12:59] <kapputu> I took an exam and top-scored after drinking from 9pm to 2am
[12:59] <LinuxJones> |trey|, sounds like your alergic to alcohol
[12:59] <kapputu> the subject was programming-languages, so it was no big deal
[12:59] <kapputu> but I like it now with the odd beer
[01:00] <|trey|> LinuxJones, all drugs are a poison, thats why they have that effect...
[01:00] <altan> aggh, I can't fix this nautilus-cd-burner problem, it's going to suck if I have to reboot with Knoppix to burn a CD
[01:00] <LinuxJones> |trey|, getting alcohol poisoning off of 7 beer is not normal
[01:01] <|trey|> LinuxJones, I just puked once due to being dizzy :/
[01:01] <altan> |trey|, that's ridiculous
[01:01] <LinuxJones> |trey|, that's not alcohol poisoning you just can't handle you booze :)
[01:01] <toresbe> How the heck do I install mplayer?
[01:01] <|trey|> LinuxJones, Alcohol poisoning, I was 13 almost 14, and drank most of 2 bottles of Vodka to myself...
[01:01] <altan> drugs != poison. hell, to a certain extent, everything is poison - including water
[01:01] <HWolf> toresbe: It's already installed
[01:02] <LinuxJones> |trey|, so you ended up in the hospital ?
[01:02] <|trey|> LinuxJones, nope... parents wouldn't take me  :(
[01:02] <topyli> |trey|: too much is always too much. but nice is nice. these things are hard :)
[01:02] <|trey|> Said I was breathing funny and stopped breathing at one point... guess they didn't see a need though  :/
[01:03] <|trey|> topyli, true... I just prefer to avoid alcohol where possible now though  ;)
[01:03] <kapputu> probably they were still angry that you had finished the  vodka ?
[01:03] <altan> |trey|, sorry dude but your parents sucked at handling that situation, but you probably know that :/
[01:03] <kapputu> j/k
[01:03] <LinuxJones> |trey|,  well you should sue you parents or something for negligence cause you can die from alcohol poisoning :)
[01:03] <usual> if an application wants root to run the app, and prompts you for a password in gnome, what do you do
[01:03] <|trey|> yeah... not much I could do about it though... I was too busy watching myself puke  :o
[01:03] <HWolf> give in the pass?
[01:03] <usual> for root?
[01:03] <LinuxJones> |trey|,  you go into a coma and your lips turn blue, if not treated you will die
[01:04] <|trey|> LinuxJones, they said my lips were turning blue... dunno bout coma... I think I would know?  :/
[01:04] <ogra> usual: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:04] <usual> ty
[01:05] <|trey|> They just thought I had drank too much though... didn't know just how much I had drank  :/
[01:05] <LinuxJones> |trey|,  well you are very lucky ;)
[01:05] <|trey|> LinuxJones, yes... I have OD'ed a total of 2 other times too... scary  :(
[01:05] <kapputu> ogra, you were right.. compiling src dint work with mplayer
[01:05] <kapputu> how do I fix this ?
[01:06] <|trey|> Both other times, people with me were too scared to take me to hospital  :(
[01:06] <topyli> |trey|: a youngster tends to overdo stuff. we're big guys/girls now and can enjoy ourselves :)
[01:06] <|trey|> topyli, :)
[01:06] <LinuxJones> |trey|,  stick to the pot, you can only overdose on chocolate and potato chips :)
[01:06] <topyli> hehe
[01:06] <kapputu> I was taught to restrict myself to two drinks
[01:06] <|trey|> topyli, plus the cost effectiveness is much better when you need less  :)
[01:06] <restrex> UBUNTU ROCKS!!1!
[01:06] <|trey|> LinuxJones, haha
[01:06] <restrex> :D
[01:06] <|trey|> plus icecream  :)
[01:06] <ogra> kapputu: you should take the marillat package, make sure you got testing in yur sources list, not unstable
[01:06] <kapputu> so I always tend to enjoy my drinks rather than getting myself drunk
[01:06] <|trey|> Starburst Icecream = addicting  :o
[01:07] <restrex> primera vez que me siento tan feliz con un sistema operatico !!!
[01:07] <restrex> :D
[01:07] <HWolf> DAMN; Why does my dns go down at random... :-S
[01:07] <topyli> restrex: ah, nice reminder -- this is #ubuntu :)
[01:07] <|trey|> HWolf, kick it, show it who's boss  8)
[01:07] <kapputu> and I install mplayer-custom or k6 ?
[01:07] <LinuxJones> HWolf, does it take really long to reach some websites ?
[01:07] <|trey|> HWolf, heh... do the logs say anything?
[01:08] <kapputu> can some give me the ubuntu mailing list link to disabling IPv6 ?
[01:08] <|trey|> kapputu, I'd install k6, but I dunno really what custom means  :(
[01:08] <kapputu> wb tux
[01:08] <tuxx> Evening.
[01:08] <HWolf> LinuxJones, I just don't get there if I type in an url, It's like watching hdtv over an analog line when typing in an IP
[01:08] <tuxx> I seem help with the automatic media mounter in 4.10. Anyone up for grabs?
[01:08] <tuxx> seem/seek
[01:08] <HWolf> |trey| I have no idea. It dies on me, it doesn't come up automaticly, and I'm clueless
[01:08] <tuxx> kapputu thanks :)
[01:09] <kapputu> ogra, problem was with marillat unstable
[01:09] <|trey|> HWolf, thats not helpful  :(
[01:09] <ogra> kapputu: unstable is WRONG
[01:09] <|trey|> kapputu, Hoary has mplayer packages... these are what I would recommend...
[01:09] <kapputu> |trey|, what's the diff in Hoary
[01:09] <ogra> kapputu: take testing
[01:09] <topyli> tuxx: describe the problem, someone will be in the know i'm sure
[01:09] <tuxx> kapputu problems with mplayer or?
[01:09] <kapputu> I have an extra box I can test
[01:09] <usual> ok, i just changed the gnome menu to use gksudo instead of gksu
[01:09] <|trey|> kapputu, right now, mplayer got in... and just newer packages everywhere...
[01:09] <usual> good to go
[01:10] <kapputu> ogra, thanks, mplayer works now
[01:10] <restrex> bye kapputu, LinuxJones, topuli, thanks for all, linix rulessssss :D linux kick asses, linux rocks heavy metal!!!! :D:D:D
[01:10] <restrex> bye guys
[01:10] <kapputu> by restrex,
[01:10] <kapputu> happy ubunting
[01:10] <LinuxJones> restrex, cya
[01:10] <restrex> :)
[01:10] <tuxx> topyli okay if I plugin an unknown device the speed transfer to my usbdrive is USB 1.1. Now if I add to my fstab and manually mount it the speed is USB2. I like the automount but how do I make it USB2 ?
[01:10] <kapputu> wb tck
[01:10] <HWolf> LinuxJones, Adding some different DNS server helped, but now it is *very* slow
[01:10] <|trey|> kapputu, just coined a phrase  8)
[01:11] <topyli> ubunting. i like that
[01:11] <tck> :)
[01:11] <LinuxJones> HWolf, you have the same problem as I did, you need to disable the ipv6 support
[01:11] <tuxx> yeah that's a oneliner. Someone write it down :)
[01:11] <tck> we are ubuntors :)
[01:11] <tuxx> lol
[01:11] <|trey|> HWolf, you're still not *actually* telling us whats wrong though, and I don't have a DNS on this server to see where to look for whats wrong  :(
[01:11] <kapputu> cool tck
[01:12] <HWolf> LinuxJones, can you tell me how?
[01:12] <kapputu> how about this, I named my three machines, laputu, deskutu and servutu
[01:12] <topyli> tuxx: i have no idea, i don't have a single usb device in the house. i'm sure someone knows though :)
[01:12] <kapputu> :-)
[01:12] <LinuxJones> HWolf, i can't remember the file that you have to edit give me a sec to find it
[01:12] <tuxx> topyli I'll keep the question open then :-) it could be a bigger problem but I'd like to get it fixed though :)
[01:12] <topyli> kapputu: brilliant! i only have marvin and moses :)
[01:12] <kapputu> ubuntu has had some effect on my computing
[01:13] <topyli> kapputu: is it a very humanizing effect?
[01:13] <LinuxJones> HWolf, >> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/003005.html
[01:13] <HWolf> DNS thing seems solved. :-)
[01:13] <|trey|> HWolf, and I still don't know what was wrong  :(
[01:14] <LinuxJones> HWolf, that was quick :)
[01:14] <kapputu> yep
[01:14] <kapputu> why wouldnt it ? I went to windows after a week and got infected by a blaster in 10 mins
[01:14] <|trey|> kapputu, thats a record  8)
[01:14] <kapputu> thanx windows for keeping me away from you ..
[01:14] <|trey|> kapputu, its like a message from god  ;)
[01:14] <topyli> kapputu: yes, it's inhuman -- it's the borg :)
[01:15] <kapputu> well to tell you the truth, though I was reading a lot about Ubuntu I was going to install Mandrake
[01:15] <kapputu> and then I was lazy to download and burn 3 cds
[01:15] <HWolf> LinuxJones - Forced it to use the DNS of my provider, in stead of fumbling.
[01:15] <kapputu> so I decided to just burn Ubuntu
[01:16] <kapputu> and man did I make a great decision !!
[01:16] <[Phaedrus] > "X.Org 6.8 IS STABLE if you don't activate the experimental XComposite extension." -- That's funny
[01:16] <topyli> kapputu: you saved natural resources too, by burning just 1 cd :)
[01:16] <kapputu> true
[01:16] <|trey|> kapputu, eh... imo, you can say Mandrake have more capable config tools... it might be as fast... but it appears to aim to be Windows... I want something that aims to be for me...
[01:16] <topyli> mandrake is cool though
[01:16] <kapputu> probably
[01:16] <kapputu> but I love ubuntu
[01:16] <kapputu> I even installed it on my unsuspecting roommmate's machine
[01:16] <topyli> ubuntu is love
[01:17] <kapputu> he likes it but can't get his soundcard detected
[01:17] <[Phaedrus] > that's pure Evil kapputu... Evil with a capital E
[01:17] <[Phaedrus] > haha
[01:17] <topyli> hehe, and what did he think?
[01:17] <|trey|> kapputu, inside, he's prolly kinda pissed  ;)
[01:17] <kapputu> he is thinking of going back to windows :-(
[01:17] <kapputu> nope
[01:17] <kapputu> it's faster than his spyware, adware, virus ridden windows 2000
[01:17] <kapputu> but he wants sound to work
[01:18] <kapputu> it's a 440BX onboard soundcard
[01:18] <kapputu> any help ?
[01:18] <topyli> kapputu: so make his sound work. he can get a $20 soundblaster or whatever if the onboard chip is too sucky
[01:18] <|trey|> kapputu, before he leaves entirely... have him try maybe Fedora... I like Ubuntu because it reminds me of Fedora and Debian, my prior fav distro's...
[01:18] <[Phaedrus] > kapputu: anything is possible with the linux world... might require kernel compilation though
[01:18] <tuxx> kapputu have u ever tried Mandrake?
[01:18] <kapputu> yeah
[01:19] <kapputu> but he has only 6GB and only about 3 Gig for Linux
[01:19] <tuxx> |trey| how come?
[01:19] <kapputu> ubuntu is the only distro I have used continously this long
[01:19] <topyli> i have used mandrake and debian all my life (well, not really) and they are both very cool
[01:19] <kapputu> I like Mandrake better than FC/RH and Ubuntu better than Mandrake
[01:19] <tuxx> I'm new to Ubuntu but have been using Mandrake for the past 3 years until yesterday
[01:20] <kapputu> I started with RH 5 ??
[01:20] <|trey|> tuxx, too Windows-ee... I left windows cuz I don't like the interface... why would I go to Linux to put up with the same interface?
[01:20] <kapputu> don't remember the version
[01:20] <kapputu> wouldn't detect my video card
[01:20] <|trey|> tuxx, other then the frontend, its just another lsb complient distro though  :/
[01:20] <topyli> kapputu: redhat sucks too much, i've never been able to look at it for long, except when i started with 5.x and didn't have much choise
[01:20] <kapputu> yeah same here
[01:20] <kapputu> I switched to Mandrake 2 years back
[01:20] <kapputu> tried FC but din't use it much
[01:20] <tuxx> |trey| You've got a point however no one prohibits the use of Fluxbox on MDK.. not much KDE-eye candy left then :)
[01:21] <kapputu> ok my roommate is not going to spend a penny when he can get sound working in Windows
[01:21] <|trey|> tuxx, I am talking about little things like the menu... its just not logical enough for me...
[01:21] <tuxx> kapputu let him
[01:21] <|trey|> its a lower learning curve for windows users, but its idiotic to me...
[01:21] <tuxx> |trey| I don't get that.. the menu where?
[01:21] <topyli> tuxx: mandrake supports gnome and E quite nicely. you don't have to use kde. i never even installed kde on my mandrake boxen
[01:21] <kapputu> but I have to configure his network in Windows
[01:22] <kapputu> and I dont want to use Windows
[01:22] <|trey|> tuxx, the application menu...
[01:22] <tuxx> topyli yeah
[01:22] <tuxx> |trey| is it the same menu in KDE as within Fluxbox?
[01:22] <|trey|> tuxx, yup...
[01:22] <tuxx> kapputu who want's to use Windows? And who's forced to it?
[01:23] <kapputu> my roommate
[01:23] <topyli> tuxx: in mandrake? they have an universal menu system now, ported from debian
[01:23] <tuxx> |trey| hmmm... sure?
[01:23] <kapputu> he might be forced to, if he can't get his sound card configured
[01:23] <|trey|> tuxx, umm, I used to use KDE, then XFce4, then more and more GNOME since 2.6 though...
[01:23] <kapputu> he uses his PC mainly to browse and listen to music
[01:23] <tuxx> I've only used Fluxbox most of the time and never modded the menu in KDE so I did not knew it was the same
[01:23] <topyli> kapputu: he needs a browser-based kiosk system based on debian stable :)
[01:23] <kapputu> his windows is fucked up but he wants to go back to it since ubuntu couldnt detect his soundcard
[01:24] <tuxx> kapputu what soundcard?
[01:24] <kapputu> onboard 440 BX
[01:24] <kapputu> it's an old Dell machine,
[01:24] <kapputu> P-II 400
[01:24] <|trey|> kapputu, if you want help.... lspci | grep Audio
[01:24] <tuxx> kapputu hmm.. Maybe Mandrake works?
[01:24] <topyli> kapputu: see if knoppix finds the card, then check what module it's using
[01:24] <kapputu> and when I removed his windows 2000 it had about 24 spyware apps loading on startup
[01:24] <tuxx> Speaking of menus.. how do I edit the one in Gnome 2.8/Ubuntu?
[01:25] <kapputu> yeah I was going to do that
[01:25] <tuxx> kapputu Mandrake as always been nice to me
[01:25] <kapputu> actually to get him initiated into linux, I gave him knoppix and let him use it for a while
[01:25] <|trey|> tuxx, /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/vfolders <-- look around those files...
[01:25] <tuxx> now Ubuntu is nice to me.
[01:25] <|trey|> needs a frontend...
[01:25] <topyli> tuxx: two ways. 1) go to applications:/// in naiutilus and edit away. 2) right click the items in the menu itself
[01:25] <kapputu> it's too tiring to remove unwanted packages tuxx
[01:25] <HWolf> Halleluja! All my problems are gone. :-)
[01:26] <tuxx> kapputu i Mandrake?
[01:26] <kapputu> yes
[01:26] <topyli> HWolf: praise the $DEITY!
[01:26] <tuxx> kapputu select them at installation-point :)
[01:26] <|trey|> kapputu, should get rid of Knoppix, and install Ubuntu Live CD (formerly Gnoppix)
[01:26] <kapputu> no he has ubuntu now |trey|
[01:26] <[Phaedrus] > HWolf: this might be the moment to brace yourself for impact
[01:26] <topyli> kapputu: you just don't know how :)
[01:26] <[Phaedrus] > usually when you think its all gone, its just gaining speed :)
[01:26] <|trey|> kapputu, I mean if he wants to go back to Windows  :)
[01:27] <kapputu> no I'm lazy
[01:27] <HWolf> *g*
[01:27] <[Phaedrus] > what were your problems anwyays?
[01:27] <kapputu> he needs to listen to music from some website which opens up a player in the browser
[01:27] <HWolf> Now, my only problem is that I can't kill windows, since I sell software that is functional and windows-only. :-)
[01:27] <tuxx> kapputu what web?
[01:27] <kapputu> www.raaga.com I guess
[01:27] <tuxx> is it mp3 ?
[01:28] <HWolf> My internet did not come up, was slow as hell, and the dns went down every time.
[01:28] <kapputu> I think it's real audio
[01:28] <topyli> hell, it's almost 2:30 in the morning. i have to begin to start considering going maybe to bed soon
[01:28] <[Phaedrus] > kapputu, is he indian?
[01:28] <kapputu> yes
[01:28] <[Phaedrus] > thought so
[01:28] <|trey|> kapputu, guess you don't want help? I said 'lspci | grep Audio' on his box..
[01:28] <kapputu> I'm not sure if I should go into his room now
[01:28] <kapputu> 1 sec
[01:28] <kapputu> I don't want to help ??
[01:28] <kapputu> I was the one who made him install linux
[01:29] <kapputu> and spent 8 hours in front of his computer last week
[01:29] <Yo> hi!, could someone tell me if there is a place where i could get ubuntu pakcages for mono?
[01:29] <[Phaedrus] > http://www.cynapses.org/tmp/usability/superkaramba.png --- that is nice!
[01:29] <|trey|> Yo, they are in Multiverse...
[01:29] <tuxx> kapputu lemme ask.. is the soundcard installed but real not working? or is the card not recognised at all?
[01:30] <[Phaedrus] > tuxx: apparently its onboard
[01:30] <HWolf> Man, that's an awesome programme on that screenshot. :-)
[01:30] <topyli> kapputu: go to his room and say WAKE UP! MY LINUX GEEK FRIENDS ON IRC MIGHT WANNA HELP US
[01:30] <kapputu> sound card not recognized at all
[01:30] <Yo> |trey| - Multiverse? what is that?
[01:30] <kapputu> no he is not here
[01:30] <[Phaedrus] > it is.. isnt it... sort of like Samurize for windows
[01:30] <|trey|> Yo, Synaptics > Settings > Repository ... the one that says Multiverse, check it...
[01:30] <kapputu> anyway |trey| lspci returned nothing
[01:30] <tuxx> kapputu ok that's out of my league sorry.
[01:31] <|trey|> Yo, uhh, you want Universe... but add the word "Multiverse" there....
[01:31] <topyli> kapputu: so as far as linux is concerned, he has no sound card :(
[01:31] <LinuxJones> kapputu, it's probably an isa card
[01:31] <kapputu> yep topyli
[01:31] <|trey|> kapputu, umm, 'lspci' paste a line that states sound or audio...
[01:31] <Yo> |trey| - hmm synaptics ? where i find that?
[01:31] <kapputu> yeah very probable
[01:31] <[Phaedrus] > kapputu: do you know how to compile a kernel?
[01:31] <kapputu> i can learn
[01:31] <topyli> kapputu: time to go shopping for old sound blasters
[01:31] <|trey|> Yo, Computer > System COnfiguration
[01:31] <ogra> Yo: Computer->Sytem Tools
[01:32] <|trey|> ogra, shush  ;)
[01:32] <LinuxJones> kapputu, you friend can but a sb live value for like 10 dollars :)
[01:32] <topyli> kapputu: listen to LinuxJones
[01:32] <[Phaedrus] > Kapputu: Do your friend a favor and get him a new soundcard
[01:33] <tuxx> yeah new card!
[01:33] <kapputu> I have a spare Conexant riptide sound card
[01:33] <[Phaedrus] > you can pick up an okay card for less than 20$
[01:33] <kapputu> any good ?
[01:33] <tuxx> kapputu try that
[01:33] <[Phaedrus] > is it PCI?
[01:33] <kapputu> yeah
[01:33] <[Phaedrus] > alright, give it a shot
[01:33] <topyli> kapputu: i bought a _new_ sb 128 pci for i-dont-remember-but-it-did-not-matter
[01:33] <Yo> i get a error when i run symnaptic
[01:33] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , that doesn't solve his current problem... don't say pointless comments...
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[01:33] <|trey|> Yo, what does it say?
[01:33] <tuxx> topyli yeah descent cards cost *nothing*
[01:33] <topyli> that's right
[01:33] <LinuxJones> restrex, ask here someone else might be having the same problem :)
[01:33] <[Phaedrus] > |trey| it wouldnt be worth the hazzle to try to plug in a ISA card, you know
[01:33] <restrex> ok :)
[01:34] <kapputu> any suggestions on where I can buy one ?
[01:34] <Yo> Failed to run usr-sbin-synaptic as root: child procces ended with 1
[01:34] <kapputu> if it's around 10 dollars or so I can convince him to buy one
[01:34] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , 'get new hardware' is the worst thing you can possible say in linux support...
[01:34] <ogra> Yo: what pw did you give it ?
[01:35] <[Phaedrus] > |trey|: I already found the drivers for his card and posted it to him in PM, but that's going to require recompiling the kernel
[01:35] <restrex> well, i want to instal apache::gallery http://freshmeat.net/projects/gallery/     but i don't know how to mont a webserver, i have installed ubuntu only for mount a webserver and install that script
[01:35] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , good job  :)
[01:35] <Yo> i get it, it worked fine when i run it from console
[01:35] <topyli> |trey|: so true. sb 128, good old matrox video cards...
[01:35] <[Phaedrus] > thanks trey:) *phew* finally approved :)
[01:35] <ogra> Yo: give it your user pw, it will work ;)
[01:36] <restrex> how can i mount a server, i have to download all that the page of apache gallery says?
[01:36] <kapputu> is there a tutorial on how to compile the kernel or you guys will help me out ?
[01:36] <ogra> Yo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:37] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , I still say telling him to spend more money is a bad idea though... think about it, Windows or OS X *WORKED* on _this_ hardware... it just makes Linux/BSD/etc look bad  :(
[01:37] <topyli> restrex: you have to describe the problem. i don't know how to "mount a web server" either :) what are you trying to do and how do you fail?
[01:38] <restrex> mm ok
[01:38] <[Phaedrus] > |trey| I am sure it is possible to make it work... and i would guide him through it, if it was his computer... when its a friend's computer, it can get hard to sit there and let the compilation run for a few hours
[01:38] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , most don't mind a little hard work... but not working on current hardware is out of the question...
[01:38] <LinuxJones> |trey|, so learning how to compile a new kernel as opposed to spending 10 dollars for something that will work out of the box is somethign that you would recommend ?
[01:38] <restrex> well
[01:38] <restrex> i have to install apache mod_perl, and another things
[01:38] <|trey|> LinuxJones, 95% of the time, yes...
[01:38] <topyli> restrex: ok, as gallery dependencies
[01:38] <LinuxJones> |trey|, heh
[01:38] <restrex> yes
[01:38] <restrex> :)
[01:39] <restrex> well
[01:39] <restrex> i have downloaded perl, but
[01:39] <restrex> :S
[01:39] <|trey|> LinuxJones, if they have heard of Linux, the are probably substantial enough of a geek to actuall know somewhat what they are doing... just needing to be pointed in the right direction... others I usually ignore...
[01:40] <topyli> restrex: hold on. are you using apt or installing all of this from source?
[01:41] <LinuxJones> |trey|, compiling a kernel is not something that I would recommend to somebody who knows little about it. It would be a great learning experience yes but it's not his computer :)
  sorry i didn't undersatnd you :S
[01:41] <ogra> |trey|: youre crazy
[01:41] <|trey|> LinuxJones, learning experiance? I disagree... watching text fly by the screen teaches you little... other then an appreciation for distro maintainers...
[01:41] <topyli> restrex: did you do 'apt-get install gallery' or use synaptic -- or are you downloading packages from their own sources?
[01:41] <[Phaedrus] > heh
[01:42] <restrex> i don't know how to install perl, i have downloaded perl tar but i uncompressed it, but i don't know how to follow
[01:42] <[Phaedrus] > i remember giving up linux once, just cause i couldnt put up with kernel compilation
[01:42] <restrex> yes
[01:42] <topyli> restrex: use synaptic or apt-get, and life will be easy for you :)
[01:42] <ogra> |trey|: most people want to drive their cars, they dont want to know how to change spark plugs or repairing cludges
[01:43] <topyli> restrex: apt-get install gallery
[01:43] <fsc> trey: not everybody wants to dick around with their system just for the sake of dicking around with it
[01:43] <|trey|> ogra, true, but today, those people would be unlikely to even have heard of linux  ;)
[01:43] <topyli> fsc: really?
[01:43] <fsc> topyli, is this a shock to you?
[01:43] <restrex> oh, sorry :S, i'm from chile, and my english is so bad
[01:43] <restrex> :(
[01:43] <restrex> ok
[01:43] <restrex> :)
[01:43] <restrex> mm
[01:43] <restrex> this is an script?
[01:44] <srbaker> anyone know a good way to tell what format a video is in?  i can't get it to play under anything i can find for ubuntu *or* windows media
[01:44] <|trey|> reformed, Marcelo Salas rules  8)
[01:44] <ogra> |trey|: it's a matter of leading them the _right_ way that works without wrenches.... fixing the bugs that force them to
[01:44] <topyli> fsc: shock? shock? this is outrageous! nobody told me
[01:44] <[Phaedrus] > what's the extension srbaker?
[01:44] <fsc> topyli, sometimes the fanboys don't quite understand it
[01:44] <tck> <srbaker, whats the extension
[01:44] <|trey|> ogra, in fact, fedora and ubuntu policy = that _is_ a bug...
[01:44] <khc> In /var/log/cups/error_log: E [30/Oct/2004:16:40:46 -0700]  [Job 1]  unable to create temporary file: No such
[01:45] <tck> <srbaker, virtualdub for windows is a valuable tool - maybe it can help
[01:45] <LinuxJones> |trey|, I don't agree with your logic but that's just me :P
[01:45] <khc> file or directory
[01:45] <ogra> |trey|: hmanity is a bug? usabiolity is a bur youre kiddin
[01:45] <topyli> fsc: heh, to be honest, i need real working productions systems too, to do _work_, believe it or not :)
[01:45] <srbaker> the extension is avi
[01:45] <ogra> you
[01:45] <fsc> topyli, don't we all
[01:46] <topyli> fsc: all of us! that's just too much
[01:46] <ogra> |trey|: humanity is a bug? usability is a bug youre kiddin (sorry was to brkoen)
[01:46] <[Phaedrus] > srbaker: do you have the proper codecs installed?
[01:46] <fsc> topyli, I guess some people do need broken systems, but that's their problem
[01:47] <fsc> topyli, hehe, gentoo people need broken systems ;)
[01:47] <topyli> fsc: well, when you're interested in systems, you break them. but you need another system to do some work on, right?
[01:47] <fsc> topyli, yeah, i think I just said that
[01:48] <topyli> fsc: i think you did :) i only understand stuff when i get to use my own words =)
[01:48] <[Phaedrus] > gentoo is fun, if you like compiling, compiling and more compiling
[01:48] <srbaker> [Phaedrus] , that'as what i'm trying to figure out.
[01:48] <fsc> topyli, hehe
[01:48] <srbaker> it could be bad, though.
[01:48] <khc> In /var/log/cups/error_log: E [30/Oct/2004:16:40:46 -0700]  [Job 1]  unable to create temporary file: No such file or directory, and the print job didn't come through, any ideas?
[01:49] <[Phaedrus] > srbaker: what does windows media player say?
[01:49] <HWolf> Could trying to get fglrx installed break my X?
[01:49] <[Phaedrus] > srbaker: there is a good chance that the file is not complete or corrupt... if its a movie, use some app like divfix to fix it or something
[01:49] <[Phaedrus] > and i have no idea why such a question came up on a linux channel
[01:49] <ogra> HWolf: if you follow the wiki, no
[01:49] <topyli> [Phaedrus] : everybody hates compiling. some people like coding, but they hate the waiting while stuff compiles (or doesn't)
[01:50] <fsc> HWolf, most likely not...mine fglrx install was very smooth. just needed to change to change one line in XFree86-4 I believe
[01:50] <khc> hmm
[01:50] <khc> restarted CUPS and now it works
[01:50] <fsc> I love how nice the ndiswrapper install for me was.  was so easy...set everything up for me perfectly
[01:51] <HWolf> What would the advantage be, if not planning to play games?
[01:51] <[Phaedrus] > topyli: that's why you need two systems... atleast :)
[01:51] <fsc> HWolf, not sure. maybe the 2d acceleration is better, but probably not noticeable
[01:51] <asdf_46> fsc, what wireless card are you using?
[01:51] <ogra> HWolf: your screensavers look better...noting ele
[01:51] <[Phaedrus] > or just a shelf full of books to read, while it compiles
[01:52] <ogra> else
[01:52] <topyli> fsc: now you get to explain this ndiswrapper thing to me. it seems to be in fashion :)
[01:52] <HWolf> Nothing smoother on the desktop?
[01:52] <daniels> you will get full 3D acceleration (modulo S3TC, which you can patch in externally if you're adventurous) for all ATI cards up to 9200 (i.e. all r1xx/r2xx chipsets) with the free drivers
[01:52] <topyli> [Phaedrus] : yes
[01:52] <daniels> in terms of quality and ease of use, fglrx is crap, so you should steer clear of it unless you really, really need it.
[01:53] <ogra> HWolf: i think the 2d support of the oss drivers is ok
[01:53] <daniels> even then, start from the point of view of 'i do not need this driver'.
[01:53] <fsc> asdf_46, i've got a linksys with the RealTek 8180 chipset
[01:53] <daniels> every 2D card on the market is supported by the free drivers
[01:53] <|trey|> daniels, would you happen to have test packages of the new xserver?
[01:53] <HWolf> I've got a 9200se, so it would probably not be worth it then.
[01:53] <fsc> topyli, you grab your windows wireless drivers and ndiswrapper wraps them up to a linux interface
[01:53] <daniels> |trey|: dude, still no.  we'll tell you when hoary is ready for general use, and when there are test x.org packages around (we wouldn't keep it quiet if we wanted testers).
[01:54] <daniels> HWolf: yah, just stick with the radeon driver unless you desperately need texture compression
[01:54] <topyli> fsc: ahh, sounds pretty handy
[01:54] <HWolf> And as soon as I've got money, i'm going nvidia.
[01:54] <ogra> daniels: is there a page for widescreen laptop configs, i had a weird support today
[01:54] <|trey|> daniels, I am using hoary... mdz kinda told me I could... sorry
[01:54] <fsc> i think there are 2.6.x native linux drivers for my chipset now, but the guy over at RealTek was taking a long time to get them out, and the 2.4.x drivers weren't all that hot. you could only use 2.4.20 kernel and below for an odd reason
[01:54] <daniels> HWolf: and yes, it can break your X.  you can revert back to the standard driver -- it's not permanent or anything -- but it's not guaranteed to work by any measure.
[01:55] <daniels> topyli: not in the least.
[01:55] <fsc> topyli, windows cards?
[01:55] <daniels> ogra: not really; what problem did you have?
[01:55] <mdz> daniels: hoary is ready for general use; we sent out an announcement to that effect
[01:55] <|trey|> daniels, just don't see it... was wondering if there was a seperate repo for current work  :(
[01:55] <daniels> mdz: ho hum
[01:55] <kapputu> ahh damn
[01:55] <mdz> where 'general' means "I don't mind if it breaks"
[01:55] <fsc> topyli, whatch you smoking? there are drivers for ATI and Nvidia
[01:55] <kapputu> this site www.raaga.com works only for Netscape and IE
[01:55] <|trey|> mdz, thank you  :)
[01:55] <topyli> fsc: well, matrox never gave me any trouble
[01:55] <HWolf> I'll just go and see if I can get my tv-tuner working.
[01:55] <topyli> fsc: and yes, i am smoking :)
[01:55] <fsc> topyli, Nvidia nor ATI have ever given me trouble on linux
[01:55] <daniels> mdz: right
[01:56] <daniels> kapputu: i suggest you report that to the webmasters of raaga.com
[01:56] <ogra> dnaiels: i didnt, a guy in the channel: http://www.pastebin.com/115266 he had only 800x600 ....
[01:56] <|trey|> Netscape compatible = Gecko = Mozilla compatible...
[01:56] <topyli> fsc: you get to download drivers, like in windows (if you have an ati or nvidia card)
[01:56] <go> ?
[01:56] <ogra> whoo, canonical wakes up *g*
[01:56] <topyli> fsc: and you pray that they'll work
[01:56] <fsc> topyli, so because you have to download the drivers, it makes them windows cards?  what kind of bizarro logic is that?
[01:57] <mdz> |trey|: when X.org is ready for testing, we'll send out a message about it asking for testers
[01:57] <topyli> fsc: you don't know if and how they'll work, that's the point
[01:57] <kapputu> daniels, I did
[01:57] <daniels> topyli: as I said before, all cards are fully supported with 2D, and the 3D support ranges up reasonably.
[01:57] <HWolf> Is anyone aware of any drivers for the Pinnacle PCTV Rave?
[01:57] <fsc> topyli, I pray that I don't have to use a crappy ass Matrox card ever
[01:57] <HWolf> mdz, are there any significant improvements in X.org right now?
[01:57] <daniels> ogra: 'Unknown post id, it may have been deleted'; do you still have the details?
[01:57] <kapputu> |trey|, Windows says the soundcard is Crystal PnP
[01:57] <|trey|> mdz, sounds good... just thought I would ask as he was here  :)
[01:57] <kapputu> is that any good ?
[01:57] <fsc> topyli, I've never had problems with Nvidia or ATI. I already told you that
[01:57] <daniels> anyway, guys, these video card holy wars are off-topic heer.
[01:57] <ogra> yep.... i mail it to you... if you dont mind
[01:57] <daniels> this is #ubuntu, not #videovendorbloodbath.
[01:57] <fsc> topyli, get your facts straight
[01:57] <topyli> fsc: we disagree. i work, i need great video cards. matrox makes them
[01:58] <|trey|> kapputu, google 'Crystal Audio Linux"
[01:58] <daniels> ogra: cheers, that'd be great -- daniel.stone@canonical.com
[01:58] <mdz> HWolf: it has a few new features, but it's actually much closer to what we already have than most people seem to think
[01:58] <topyli> daniels: you're right
[01:58] <BrianB04> Hey topyli, anything new from Matrox lately?
[01:58] <mdz> judging from the clamor
[01:58] <daniels> HWolf: there is Composite, which is still pretty experimental, and a lot more hardware support, but we've already backported almost all the hardware support, so it's alright
[01:58] <ogra> daniels: i know ;) (who doesnt *g*)
[01:58] <topyli> BrianB04: no need ;)
[01:59] <HWolf> How about faster. I'd rather see fast then features. Unless we're talking full transparancy. :-D
[01:59] <daniels> ogra: heh
[01:59] <BrianB04> Seeing as how I am not going full bore into pro photography, I need good good quality images...
[02:00] <|trey|> mdz, its just that people are being told "XFREE IS EVIL AND BAD, FEAR IT FOR YOUR OWN SAKE" so general users see xserver-xfree86 and shudder... I would like to try what is considered the "modular branch" but have yet to see one that is packaged  :(
[02:00] <mjr> HWolf, said Composite allows for full transparency, as well as more useful features
[02:00] <fsc> mmm.....composite
[02:00] <HWolf> *goes to google*
[02:00] <daniels> HWolf: yes, full and flexible transparency is supported (keithp has a hacked up xterm where the background casts a shadow of far lighter intensity than the individual fonts with a decent compmgr), but it's not too quick yet.
[02:00] <|trey|> HWolf, google is like god... it knows all  :)
[02:00] <mdz> |trey|: the people who are telling them that need to stop doing it
[02:00] <fsc> so Hoary switched over to X.org?
[02:01] <mdz> fsc: not yet, but it will
[02:01] <daniels> |trey|: the modular branch is still lagging the monolithic branch in some aspects; myself and the rest of upstream are working on merging the two in our own time, however.
[02:01] <daniels> fsc: not yet, but it will
[02:01] <kapputu> |trey|, should I modprobe cs4235 ?
[02:01] <|trey|> daniels, is keith working close to Ubuntu?
[02:01] <daniels> |trey|: keith is doing other things right now
[02:01] <|trey|> kapputu, if thats whats returned, yes
[02:01] <|trey|> mdz, *points at redhat*
[02:01] <daniels> mdz: i suspect he was talking about the general fear of xfree86 -- it's irrevocably tainted as an organisation, and most people associate X.Org with shiny things
[02:01] <topyli> daniels: will moving to x.org be a disaster for those who track hoary?
[02:02] <daniels> mdz: it's kind of inevitable, no matter whether or not we have >300,000 lines of patches
[02:02] <|trey|> daniels, just aware that he is a dd... would be nice to have him on board too  8)
[02:02] <fsc> daniels, my question is if it's really better? X.org vs XFree86 that is
[02:02] <mdz> fsc: it's the way forward
[02:02] <daniels> topyli: absolutely not.  if your configuration doesn't get migrated perfectly, or if there are any regressions, you get to report a bug
[02:02] <fsc> mdz, I didn't ask that. I asked if it was better
[02:02] <kapputu> |trey|, you think this would need a kernel recompile ?
[02:02] <daniels> fsc: it allows to trim our patchset from >300,000 lines to hopefully within the 5,000-10,000 mark, once we start merging with upstream
[02:02] <|trey|> topyli, all problems with the transaction will be considered bugs afaik
[02:02] <mdz> fsc: then scroll back a page or two and read the answer
[02:03] <topyli> daniels: i mean the transition from xfree to x.org -- is it very painful?
[02:03] <daniels> |trey|: yeah.  he's not working on X stuff right now, though; he's working on another window system as a HP research project and is busy with his kids in his spare time.
[02:03] <fsc> daniels, nice
[02:03] <daniels> topyli: if it is, you get to report a bug
[02:03] <|trey|> kapputu, no, just type modprobe cs4235 and maybe restart X...
[02:03] <HWolf> Is there anywhere where I can read some more about it?
[02:03] <daniels> topyli: put it this way -- if my mum dist-upgrades to hoary, she shouldn't notice
[02:03] <ogra> daniels: mail sent ;)
[02:03] <daniels> ogra: thanks dude
[02:03] <|trey|> daniels, thats cool  :)
[02:04] <|trey|> kapputu, echo cs4235 >> /etc/modules if you don't want to keep doing that...
[02:04] <mjr> I'll make it a bit more clear still: X.org is a continuation of an XFree86 snapshot and as such has essentially the same configuration file format and friends, so there's not really a lot of places for migration trouble
[02:04] <topyli> daniels: nicely put =)
[02:04] <amathis> after installing nvidia drivers I cannot use xmms.
[02:05] <stuNNed> amathis, there is bug for that
[02:05] <daniels> ogra: if you could tell him to remove HorizSync/VertRefresh from his config file next time you see him, that would be great, thanks
[02:06] <daniels> mjr: (and xfree86 is a continuation of an x.org [well, ok, not the foundation, but close enough]  snapshot; can anyone say 'full circle'?0
[02:06] <|trey|> daniels, why is that a good idea? will be automagically detected if they are gone?
[02:06] <amathis> WTF.
[02:07] <|trey|> daniels, (removing sync lines...
[02:07] <topyli> daniels: anyway, i'm already ready to congratulate everybody for such a small amount of hassle with these early days of hoary, which by all reason should have been a damn mess =)
[02:07] <|trey|> daniels, usually my screen becomes quite colorful when I exclude them  :(
[02:08] <topyli> it's really really late here, so i'm off to bed. be nice!
[02:08] <nimc> which xinitrc i should edit for xmodmap key bindings i want to add ? there is no .xinitrc in home dir ?
[02:08] <|trey|> topyli, most annoying part would have been re-applying all patches not included upstream  :(
[02:08] <daniels> |trey|: yes, they will be probed via DDC if they aren't there.  we have to write them out to work around bugs in some systems (mainly iBook laptop panels, IIRC), but it's not based on the monitor's capabilities, only based around getting the selected resolution to work well.
[02:09] <daniels> |trey|: if you want to go higher, delete them; if it causes problems, leave it in.
[02:09] <|trey|> daniels, I found out what I need for 1024x800, which is my prefered res, and commited that to memory  :)
[02:10] <|trey|> (H= 30-60 V= 50-100)
[02:11] <|trey|> Have 17inch though, could prolly go larger  :/
[02:12] <mjr> trey, I'm sure that you, too, get plenty of mail that can help you with that
[02:13] <theantix> does ubuntu plan to have a page like packages.debian.org?  (or is there one already)
[02:14] <kaputtu> |trey|, I did a modprobe snd-cs46xx on my friend's machine
[02:14] <jdub> theantix: there will be at some stage
[02:14] <theantix> thanks jdub
[02:14] <kaputtu> it did not return me an error and installed a number of modules into the kernel
[02:14] <kaputtu> what do I do next ?
[02:15] <|trey|> kapputu, restart X
[02:15] <ogra> |trey|: ??
[02:15] <|trey|> ogra, to make sure its working...
[02:16] <ogra> |trey|: the sound ? by restarting X ???
[02:16] <LinuxJones> Question for the dev's !! This link to the gnome-systems-tools website has a graphical runlevel editor (which is a common question here in IRC).  Why is it not included with Ubuntu ? >> http://www.gnome.org/projects/gst/
[02:16] <theantix> my fiancee is happy, got Ubuntu working with WindowMaker for her just a while ago -- works great :-)
[02:16] <cardador> dont know if its a bug, but after "upgrading" to hoary, i could not login to Gnome, giving me some error about ICEauthority. solved it by deleting that file
[02:16] <ogra> LinuxJones: its buggy
[02:16] <jdub> LinuxJones: because it's not supported by upstream, or us
[02:16] <jdub> plus, it's really not the right way of doing things
[02:16] <ogra> cardador: youre using k3b ?
[02:16] <cardador> ogra: yes
[02:16] <LinuxJones> Ok just curious cause it seems like there are 3-4 inquires about a GUI based runlevel editor
[02:17] <ogra> cardador: thats the prob ;)
[02:17] <cardador> ogra: installed it today... hmm
[02:17] <kaputtu> |trey|, dint work
[02:17] <|trey|> ogra, :/  restarts esd session...
[02:18] <LinuxJones> jdub, there is something in the works to address this though, is there ?
[02:18] <nimc> is it possible to add key bindings to nautilus? e.g. F20 in addition to alt+left for 'back', like i did for firefox
[02:18] <ogra> hmm
[02:18] <jdub> LinuxJones: not directly, at the moment
[02:18] <|trey|> kapputu, hmm, there is no simular package without snd-?
[02:19] <|trey|> s/package/module
[02:19] <ogra> jdub: but people should be able to switch certain things on/off .... its a real demand regarding the ML
[02:20] <jdub> in the default desktop install, there's really nothing to bother with
[02:20] <kaputtu> sudo modprobe -v cs46xx doesn't return anything
[02:20] <LinuxJones> jdub, sounds like a good project for me to work on in my spare time :)
[02:20] <kaputtu> it's probably installed
[02:20] <jdub> except for some services that should autodetect whether they're relevant or not
[02:20] <ogra> jdub: its not my demand ;)
[02:20] <daniels> |trey|: oss emulation is snd-{pcm,mixer}-oss
[02:21] <jdub> in the majority of cases, 'installed or not' is the right way to deal with it
[02:21] <|trey|> daniels, hmm, that makes more sense  :)
[02:21] <daniels> jesus, at this rate I'm packing more cords than clothes
[02:21] <ogra> jdub: good point ....
[02:21] <jdub> LinuxJones: it's a very difficult integration task; i will probably write up a design for it early on during hoary
[02:21] <daniels> oooh, and I get to use this 1 quid coin that's been on my desk for a while now
[02:22] <LinuxJones> jdub, would it be coded in Python or C ?
[02:23] <ogra> LinuxJones: wrong question ;)
[02:23] <jdub> LinuxJones: that's probably the last question that needs asking
[02:23] <ogra> python is preferred
[02:23] <LinuxJones> ogra, heh I can't stand C
[02:24] <ogra> LinuxJones: cant stand python....im a perl guy... but will learn it for ubuntus sake
[02:24] <kaputtu> ogra, I'm a Perl guy too
[02:24] <LinuxJones> ogra, to make that commitment, to Ubuntu, your my hero :)
[02:25] <fsc> Pygtk+ runlevel editor would be cool
[02:25] <kaputtu> any help with that 440BX Crystal sound card ?
[02:25] <jdub> *not* a 'runlevel editor'
[02:25] <jdub> we have one of those
[02:25] <thecyclops> Can anyone tell me about this distro....someone told me to check it out....what makes it different?
[02:25] <jdub> it's in g-s-t, but unsupported
[02:25] <jdub> but that's not what we need
[02:25] <jdub> thecyclops: lots of that stuff answered in the FAQ
[02:25] <fsc> jdub, what do you need?
[02:25] <fsc> jdub, set up a bounty
[02:25] <kaputtu> ogra, it's Saturday evening ..
[02:26] <ogra> TheMuso: try it
[02:26] <ogra> Thecy:
[02:26] <moyote> thecyclops, give it a try, man. You'll like it. :-)
[02:26] <tudi0s> hi all
[02:26] <tudi0s> (soz my english, im spanish)
[02:26] <fsc> weird trivia - who was the youngest mother to give birth?
[02:27] <ogra> fsc: ??
[02:27] <fsc> ogra, rather what was the age...and it was 5!
[02:27] <thecyclops> Is there a live cd for this distro that I can check out?
[02:28] <fsc> thecyclops, yes there is
[02:28] <ogra> fsc: still dont get you....
[02:28] <fsc> ogra, the youngest person to give birth was 5 years old
[02:28] <ogra> fsc: yeah, but what is this related to ?
[02:28] <mdz> thecyclops: www.ubuntulinux.org has a wealth of information
[02:28] <fsc> ogra, that's why i prefaced with "weird trivia"
[02:28] <ogra> fsc: k
[02:29] <fsc> ogra, oh and she uses ubuntu....;)
[02:29] <thecyclops> cool, ill check it out
[02:29] <kaputtu> :-( haveto recompile the kernel
[02:29] <ogra> fsc: lol
[02:29] <ogra> kapputu: what for ?
[02:29] <kaputtu> for the 440BX Crystal soundcard with drive cs4232
[02:29] <kaputtu> *driver
[02:30] <fsc> kaputtu, i think that chipset was in my thinkpad....IIRC,
[02:30] <Striss> is it possible to get Java working for firefox on ppc?
[02:30] <mdz> kapputu: why would you need to recompile the kernel for that?
[02:30] <kaputtu> I just read somewhere
[02:30] <kaputtu> can I get isapnp tools anywhere ?
[02:30] <kaputtu> ogra, you have an alternative ?
[02:31] <ogra> kapputu: sudo modprobe snd-cs46xx ?
[02:31] <kaputtu> i did that
[02:31] <kaputtu> din't get any error
[02:31] <kaputtu> restarted X
[02:31] <kaputtu> no change
[02:32] <fsc> kaputtu, don't you have to set up aliases and stuff for the module
[02:32] <mdz> fsc: no
[02:32] <kaputtu> I have no clue
[02:32] <ogra> fsc: no need
[02:32] <HWolf> *Sweet* TV-tuner working out of the box, with all channels. The software that came with it, for windows, only gave me 5 channals
[02:32] <HWolf> :-)
[02:32] <fsc> ogra, i remember i had to set some up previously
[02:32] <kaputtu> ok it's cs4232 and I think I installed it into the kernel
[02:32] <mdz> kapputu: try: sudo modprobe -r snd-cs4232; sudo modprobe snd-cs4232 isapnp=1
[02:33] <ogra> mdz: wher is this hidden ? didnt find it
[02:34] <kaputtu> brb
[02:34] <mdz> ogra: where is what hidden?
[02:34] <ogra> argh, ISA !!
[02:34] <ogra> the module ;)
[02:34] <ogra> found it *g*
[02:34] <mdz> someone tell kaputtu when he comes back that he shouldn't reboot every time he tries to load a module
[02:35] <ogra> mdz: i'm trying this since some days ;)
[02:35] <ogra> he allways wants to recompile everything.....
[02:35] <LinuxJones> mdz, he was trying to install the sound card on his friend's comp if you can wrap ur head around that :)
[02:37] <kaputtu> hey guys I can't open volume control but I can see a file named dspW in dev
[02:37] <kaputtu> does that make any sense ?
[02:37] <ogra> kapputu: sudo modprobe snd_mixer_oss
[02:37] <kaputtu> and when I do modprobe -r snd-cs4232, I get a message that the module is already in use
[02:38] <mdz> kapputu: if the machine has PCI slots, I highly recommend just using a modern card. you will save yourself a lot of work
[02:38] <kaputtu> ok I din't get any messages out of that
[02:38] <kaputtu> no mdz, this is for my friend
[02:38] <kaputtu> if I can get sound working, he won't go back to Windows
[02:38] <ogra> kapputu: if mdz says, listen !
[02:38] <mdz> kapputu: if your friend's machine has PCI slots, I highl recommend that your friend use a modern sound card, it will save you and your friend a lot of work
[02:38] <kaputtu> lol
[02:38] <ogra> kapputu: he's the boss !
[02:38] <kaputtu> I have a conexant riptide pci card
[02:39] <kaputtu> any good ?
[02:39] <ogra> technical wise
[02:39] <kaputtu> hi Pizbit
[02:39] <Pizbit> Mornin:)
[02:40] <kaputtu> ok any more suggestions before I quit ?
[02:40] <ogra> kapputu: take the pci card ;)
[02:40] <mdz> kapputu: echo "options snd-cs4232 isapnp=1" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/snd-cs4232
[02:40] <kaputtu> the riptide one ?
[02:40] <mdz> kapputu: then reboot the machine
[02:41] <ogra> mdz: lol
[02:41] <mdz> if that doesn't work, honestly, it isn't worth it
[02:41] <LinuxJones> mdz, that's cool :0
[02:41] <Pizbit> Damned dogs:)
[02:41] <kaputtu> what does that do ?
[02:41] <mdz> you can get a working card for $5 on ebay
[02:42] <stuNNed> is there a wpa_supplicant package or the like for wifi wpa encryption support?
[02:42] <kaputtu> ok what about the spare conexant riptide card I have
[02:42] <kaputtu> is it any good ?
[02:42] <mdz> no idea
[02:43] <mdz> easy to find out, though
[02:43] <ogra> kapputu: depends on the chipset....
[02:43] <kaputtu> let me see
[02:43] <ogra> kapputu: try
[02:43] <mdz> unplug the machine, put in the card, if it works, it's good
[02:43] <ogra> kapputu: dont look...
[02:44] <kaputtu> ogra, it's not my machine
[02:44] <kaputtu> and my friend is not in here
[02:44] <kaputtu> so I can't open the PC
[02:44] <mdz> kapputu: try what I suggested
[02:44] <ogra> kapputu: then wait
[02:44] <mdz> kapputu: see if it works
[02:44] <ogra> kapputu: but listen to mdz
[02:44] <mdz> (the command live I gave you)
[02:44] <mdz> s/live/line/
[02:44] <kaputtu> ok
[02:45] <kaputtu> I did that
[02:45] <kaputtu> let me restar
[02:45] <kaputtu> brb
[02:45] <ogra> lol
[02:45] <kapputu> my friend likes ubuntu
[02:46] <kapputu> ok I believe  that line doesnt do anything
[02:46] <ogra> kapputu: so try the pci card if your friend is back
[02:47] <kapputu> yep
[02:47] <mdz> I think it does in fact default to isapnp=1
[02:47] <kapputu> will do that
[02:47] <mdz> but isapnp is more trouble than it is worth
[02:47] <kapputu> ok I'm going off to take a nice hot shower
[02:47] <LinuxJones> lol
[02:47] <ogra> kapputu: great ides *g*
[02:47] <kapputu> I'll try convincing him to get a new card
[02:47] <ogra> s/a
[02:48] <mdz> kapputu: sudo rm /etc/modprobe.d/snd-cs4232
[02:48] <kapputu> else he's doomed to use windows
[02:48] <mdz> kapputu: to undo what you did
[02:48] <mdz> don't convince him, just give him a new card
[02:48] <kapputu> I don't want to buy a card for him
[02:48] <ogra> kapputu: and ubuntu ;)
[02:48] <mdz> someone nearby has a card they will give you for free
[02:49] <kapputu> it's not even for a girl :-P
[02:49] <kapputu> ogra, I have servutu, laputu and deskutu
[02:49] <Dragoon> if I put a pci soundcard in my computer now is there anything special I need to do to install it or should it detect and install what is needed?  I just got ubuntu up and running the night and I'm a newbie when it comes to linux so I really have no clue
[02:49] <ogra> kapputu: try the pci card in your box (replace) if it works for you it will work for him too
[02:49] <kapputu> like God for instance ?
[02:49] <kapputu> just kidding
[02:49] <mdz> Dragoon: it should just work
[02:49] <kapputu> no one I can think of
[02:50] <Dragoon> ok thanks
[02:50] <ogra> kapputu: try the pci card in your box (replace) if it works for you it will work for him too
[02:50] <kapputu> the only spare one is from my other machine
[02:50] <kapputu> k
[02:50] <kapputu> for now sound or no sound, I'm off
[02:50] <ogra> night ;)
[02:50] <mdz> Dragoon: if you want to use it instead of onboard sound, disable the onboard sound in your BIOS setup
[02:50] <stuNNed> is there any way to install totem-xine w/out removing ubuntu-desktop?
[02:50] <kapputu> ogra, not so fast.
[02:51] <jdub> stuNNed: no, but that's okay
[02:51] <kapputu> I'll be back soon
[02:51] <Pizbit> stuNNed: ubuntu-desktop doesn't matter
[02:51] <kapputu> need to grab a beer though
[02:51] <ogra> kapputu: but i'l be gone ;) 3am here
[02:51] <stuNNed> jdub, Pizbit: ok thanks, what is ubuntu-desktop for anyways?
[02:51] <ogra> yay mdz
[02:51] <kapputu> ogra gnite
[02:51] <kapputu> see you tomm
[02:51] <jdub> stuNNed: assisting upgrades
[02:51] <Pizbit> stuNNed: Meta-package to install the base system
[02:51] <mdz> jdub: or we could rename the package ubuntu-desktop-dont-panic-you-can-remove-this
[02:51] <Pizbit> mdz: Heh, just tack on -removable
[02:52] <ogra> lol
[02:52] <jdub> stuNNed: later on, if you upgrade, you might find it helpful to try installing it
[02:52] <jdub> mdz: (i still think the tasks thing was fine)
[02:52] <mdz> jdub: for the silent majority of users who *don't* install totem-xine, this is better :-)
[02:53] <stuNNed> jdub, Pizbit, just did `apt-get install totem-xine` and i get: ** (process:17664): CRITICAL **: file eggdesktopentries.c: line 2223 (egg_desktop_entries_add_group): assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[02:53] <cardador> what happened to monthly wallpapers? will we get the november one?
[02:53] <jdub> mdz: yeah, means we don't have to provide an upgrade mechanism smarter than dist-upgrade
[02:53] <jdub> cardador: yes
[02:53] <jdub> cardador: but it is not november yet
[02:53] <ogra> cardador: its not nov yet ;)
[02:53] <mdz> patience
[02:53] <cardador> jdub: lol you have a point
[02:53] <cardador> forgive me :D
[02:53] <mdz> it is not even november for jdub yet
[02:53] <mdz> and he gets there first
[02:54] <ogra> *g* jdub tell us how it is there tomorrow
[02:54] <jdub> mdz: which is kinda handy, given that i'll have to do the package :)
[02:54] <Pizbit> jdub: You're in NZ?
[02:54] <jdub> Pizbit: sydney
[02:54] <daniels> Pizbit: no, but you are, seemingly ;) jdub is in .au
[02:54] <Pizbit> Hah!
[02:54] <daniels> representin' tha east coast and all that
[02:55] <stuNNed> jdub, Pizbit: just don't worry about that error message?
[02:55] <Pizbit> stuNNed: I havn't a clue what the heck it's on about to be perfectly honest.
[02:55] <mdz> stuNNed: it's harmless, but it does indicate a bug somewhere
[02:56] <stuNNed> Pizbit, ok thanks
[02:56] <stuNNed> mdz, file a bug report?
[02:56] <ogra> hmm, wnck or trayicon ??
[02:56] <mdz> stuNNed: if you can determine which program is printing it, yes
[02:57] <mdz> I upgraded this embedded box from 2.4->2.6 in the process of putting Ubuntu on it
[02:57] <mdz> and now it can't keep time at all
[02:57] <ogra> hw ?
[02:57] <mdz> it drifts by ~10 seconds/hour
[02:57] <mdz> soekris net4501
[02:58] <ogra> hmm, 486
[02:59] <ogra> designed for rtos ....
[02:59] <mdz> they're very nice systems
[02:00] <neuro|laptop> ooh, spooky
[02:00] <neuro|laptop> intrepid:/store/mp3> date
[02:00] <neuro|laptop> Sun Oct 31 01:59:50 BST 2004
[02:00] <neuro|laptop> intrepid:/store/mp3> date
[02:00] <neuro|laptop> Sun Oct 31 01:00:01 GMT 2004
[02:00] <ogra> i think so, but 2.6 on 486 ? ..
[02:00] <stuNNed> is there any way to tell what repo a .deb comes from before installing?
[02:01] <jpvcx> neuro:hoaray for dst
[02:01] <mdz> stuNNed: apt-cache madison, or apt-cache policy show it
[02:01] <stuNNed> or from security/universe/multiverse, etc
[02:01] <stuNNed> mdz, thanks
[02:01] <kapputu> wow that was refreshing !!
[02:01] <ogra> kapputu: dont drop in your keyboard ;)
[02:02] <mdz> hmm, good to know that BST ended
[02:02] <kensai> ogra: I reinstalled LOL
[02:02] <ogra> kent: so ?
[02:02] <neuro|laptop> means i get an hour longer on my weekend, woo
[02:02] <kapputu> ogra, not the beer, the shower
[02:02] <ogra> kensai: did it work ?
[02:02] <rexioo> Do you have APM module on yours operating systems?
[02:02] <mdz> neuro|laptop: it means I now have this awkward period where my offset relative to the UK folks is != 8 :-)
[02:02] <kapputu> I'm going now to get the beer
[02:03] <neuro|laptop> mdz: :>
[02:03] <kensai> ogra: yeah reinstallation always work ;)
[02:03] <kapputu> mdz =  Matt Zimmerman ?
[02:03] <mdz> yes
[02:03] <ogra> kensai: but should not be the common way ;)
[02:03] <kapputu> cool
[02:03] <kensai> ogra: Yeah! LOL
[02:03] <ogra> kapputu: as i told you, if he says, listen ;)
[02:03] <mdz> neuro|laptop: it's so much worse when it begins
[02:04] <mdz> there is a period of several days where it is different
[02:04] <kensai> ogra: I just fear to touch the hoary hedegehog again
[02:04] <ogra> kensai: in april its safe ;)
[02:04] <mdz> in this case it seems to be only hours
[02:04] <kensai> Yeah
[02:04] <mdz> UK seems to do last-sunday-in-march compared to first-sunday-in-april for the US
[02:05] <kensai> I installed americas army and now it doesn't run whithout sudo should I reinstall it without sudo?
[02:05] <ogra> kensai: i think you can step in in march to help testing ;)
[02:05] <Pizbit> Ender, or started, recently though
[02:05] <kensai> ogra: I'll think of it. :-)
[02:06] <ogra> mdz: oh, thought this was unique around the world
[02:06] <noda> The wiki has had that huge warning on it for several days now. Why is it taking so long to move to a new wiki? And isn't it kind of unusable until then?
[02:06] <rexioo> APM module don't load, what do i do? Message from linux: FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device
[02:07] <kensai> Where ios the howto to install java in ubuntu? I have done it lots of time but I always like installing things like the how to says
[02:07] <mdz> rexioo: boot with acpi=off
[02:07] <mdz> noda: the move is complete, the new wiki has been live for some time now
[02:08] <cardador> kensai: search on the wiki
[02:08] <mdz> www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[02:08] <noda> Lhttp://wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:08] <noda> Ooh, the new one is pretty
[02:08] <ogra> kensai: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:08] <kensai> Yeah ! I though it was the best solution SORRY! for being so lazy
[02:10] <ogra> is Alexander Poslavsky here ?
[02:11] <noda> What's the difference between "universe" and "multiverse"? :)
[02:11] <ogra> plovs: many thanks ... for repairing RestrictedFormats (and adding my repo as well)
[02:11] <ogra> thanks mdz ;)
[02:17] <riffic> okay where are the musepack plugins for ubuntu
[02:18] <fyzikapan> greetings...i installed ubuntu on my iBook today and I'm having a problem with DNS lookups.  I disable IPv6, but lookups still take forever.  Any ideas what could be causing the problem?
[02:18] <noda> fyzikapan: Your primary DNS server is down and so your laptop is resorting to the secondary DNS server?
[02:19] <fyzikapan> noda, lookups work fine on my desktop..
[02:19] <noda> fyzikapan: Are file transfers fast and just DNS lookups slow?
[02:19] <rebirth> ive followed the guide @ http://www.princessleia.com/Windowsbind.html - but how do i bind these keys now in gnome?
[02:19] <riffic> anyone use mpc? i cant seem to find any plugins for xmms or gstreamer or anything
[02:19] <fyzikapan> DNS lookups are the only problem
[02:19] <riffic> musepack?
[02:19] <fyzikapan> they work, just not quickly
[02:19] <LinuxJones> fyzikapan, ur sure the ipv6 module is not being loaded ?
[02:19] <noda> rebirth: You really don't need to do anything from that guide...
[02:20] <noda> rebirth: Go to Applications -> System Tools -> Configuration Editor
[02:21] <fyzikapan> LinuxJones, I disabled it by adding a file called "noipv6" to /etc/modprobe.d
[02:21] <HMS> has anyone got their usb cable modem to work under ubuntu?
[02:21] <fyzikapan> it contains "alias net-pf-10 off"
[02:21] <noda> Navigate to /apps/metacity/global_keybindings, /apps/metacity/window_keybindings, and /apps/metacity/keybinding_commands to see how to make the Windows key actually run commands from a shell
[02:21] <noda> Otherwise, go to Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts to configure your shortcuts.
[02:21] <rebirth> noda, what do i edit there?
[02:21] <rebirth> :o
[02:21] <noda> rebirth: You'd have to read the docs to see.
[02:22] <ogra> rebirth: or computer->sytem tools->keyboard
[02:22] <rebirth> thanks =)
[02:22] <noda> rebirth: You only need to use the configuration editor if you want to bind arbitrary commands (e.g., "evolution") to a keyboard combination.
[02:22] <fyzikapan> is there anything else I should do to disable ipv6?
[02:22] <ogra> oops
[02:22] <rebirth> ahh
[02:23] <noda> rebirth: For example, I put "evolution" in /apps/metacity/keybinding_commands/command_1 and put "<Super>e" in /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/run_command_1
[02:23] <noda> So when I want to start Evolution, I just hit Windows-E
[02:23] <kapputu> ogra want some ?
[02:23] <rebirth> how do i bind the windows key to bring down the 'Applications' menu?
[02:23] <noda> rebirth: But in general, don't follow those stupid howtos, only follow the ones on Ubuntu's website or wiki :)
[02:23] <rebirth> is that in the keyboard shortcuts?
[02:23] <noda> rebirth: Alt-F1 already does that
[02:23] <noda> rebirth: Yes
[02:23] <ogra> kapputu: got good spanish wine here ;)
[02:23] <rebirth> ok, thannks :)
[02:23] <riffic> okay does anyone know how to get mpc to play in xmms or gstreamer?
[02:24] <riffic> i'm looking for musepack plugins
[02:24] <riffic> cant find
[02:24] <kapputu> ogra, u from UK or Germany ?
[02:24] <noda> rebirth: "Show the panel menu"
[02:24] <rebirth> thanks noda, works already :-)
[02:24] <ogra> kapputu: last
[02:24] <kapputu> k
[02:24] <kapputu>  I want to learn German
[02:24] <Pizbit> rebirth: alt+F1 is the default binding
[02:24] <rebirth> yeah I saw, now its windows key =)
[02:24] <ogra> kapputu: anything you dont want to learn ??
[02:25] <ogra> kapputu: ;)
[02:26] <HMS> has anyone got their usb cable modem to work under ubuntu?
[02:26] <ogra> HMS: what brand ?
[02:27] <mjr> sounds bad from the start...
[02:27] <rebirth> how do i unbind something? :x
[02:27] <HMS> it's a terayon
[02:27] <rebirth> nm, backspace
[02:27] <noda> rebirth: Heh, GNOME is great, eh? :)
[02:27] <rebirth> gnome is amazing
[02:27] <rebirth> KDE can't touch GNOME imo
[02:27] <noda> rebirth: The developers realize that almost always, people won't read a whole sentence. So the once you see really matter ;)
[02:28] <noda> :s/once/ones
[02:28] <noda> (like the "Press backspace to remove a keybinding" ;)
[02:28] <Nafallo> I can't use sasl2 for postfix without the sasl2-bin package, correct?
[02:28] <Pizbit> noda: Someday they'll realise no one reads at all, and have a realllly annoying voice:)
[02:28] <rebirth> bbs, gonna try a dif wm :)
[02:29] <noda> Pizbit: rofl, my cousin bought a car which has a voice telling him where to go. He turned it off because it dimmed the radio volume ;)
[02:29] <ogra> HMS: worked with CDCEther on kernel 2.4, i dont know the equivalent for 3.6 though
[02:29] <Pizbit> heh
[02:29] <noda> Pizbit: So we gotta do better! A computer that simply *knows* what you want :)
[02:29] <ogra> 2.6
[02:29] <HMS> yeah, it worked fine on 2.4, won't recognize and initialize in 3.6
[02:30] <HMS> I'll finger it out
[02:30] <ogra> HMS: its likely supported in 2.6
[02:30] <Nafallo> s/ure/ures/
[02:31] <noda> Oh, by the way, how many people would be interested in an Epiphany extension which lets you load/unload other extensions? This question is for Ubuntu devs, too, since it'd mean repackaging of epiphany-extensions... and would be obselete by the time Epiphany 1.6 comes out
[02:31] <HMS> I
[02:31] <noda> (The functionality is already in 1.5, but we could backport it to 1.4 if it were considered extremely useful)
[02:31] <HMS> I'll finger it out.... it's probably the hub I'm using
[02:32] <jdub> noda: 1.5 will be in hoary anyway
[02:32] <ogra> HMS: CDC-ACM PROBABLY
[02:32] <ogra> oopy
[02:32] <Nafallo> no plans to put sasl2-bin into warty-updates I guess? :-P
[02:32] <noda> jdub: I'll probably ignore it, then. It's really a dead-end development-wise.
[02:32] <HMS> I'll try dat...
[02:32] <HMS> thanks ogra
[02:32] <Pizbit> noda: Firefox is the default browser too
[02:33] <noda> But it'd be a pretty awesome display of how powerful the extensions system is: it'd show how an extension can *become* the new extensions system ;)
[02:33] <noda> Pizbit: Bleh :(
[02:33] <ogra> HMS: tell me if it worked....
[02:33] <noda> For Hoary, too?
[02:33] <ogra> HMS:  i'm working for a cable comp ;)
[02:33] <Pizbit> My guess is most likely.
[02:34] <ogra> HMS:  ...so i'm pretty interested in this...
[02:34] <noda> Pizbit: What does Firefox have which Epiphany doesn't? I'll code it :P
[02:34] <Pizbit> Heh, I honestly havn't touched it:)
[02:35] <jdub> noda: me too, in certain ways; there was a lot of discussion about it pre-warty.
[02:35] <noda> What's the difference between universe and multiverse?
[02:35] <noda> jdub: I know, I read the ML
[02:35] <jdub> noda: multiverse == contrib/non-free and a bunch of other stuff
[02:35] <noda> jdub: Oh, okay, so it's got java-package, nice :)
[02:35] <jdub> mjr: check why it's not building in the build logs
[02:35] <jazzka> how can I enable ntp sincronization by default in ubuntu?
[02:35] <jdub> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/
[02:35] <noda> jdub: Problem is, the ML discussion really didn't say what Epiphany can possibly do to become default in Hoary
[02:36] <jdub> jazzka: apt-get install ntp-simple
[02:36] <HMS> ogra: what company you workin' for?
[02:36] <jdub> noda: the discussion was mostly before the preview
[02:37] <ogra> HMS: a german cable provider, i used to run the testbed for modems when i started there...
[02:37] <HMS> sweet
[02:37] <rebirth> uh oh... :x
[02:37] <mjr> jdub, hm, actually, seems to be successfully built...
[02:37] <rebirth> trying to install psyBNC (needs gcc + ncurses) gcc worked, ncurses moaned at me, think i have it working
[02:37] <kapputu> hey ogra, what do you do ?
[02:37] <rebirth> now it wont even run -.-
[02:38] <mjr> ...a couple of days ago
[02:38] <jdub> mjr: that might've been in hoary
[02:38] <Nafallo> kapputu: hi there! how are you? :-)
[02:38] <jdub> mjr: double-check the versions
[02:38] <kapputu> hey Nafallo, how are you
[02:38] <kapputu> good to see my friends again
[02:38] <ogra> kapputu: read above.... inbetween i was in datamining and reporting in that comp.... from tuesday i'll be responsible for all DTV stuff
[02:39] <mjr> oh, yeah, hoary it was
[02:39] <Nafallo> kapputu: starting to get tired :-).
[02:39] <ogra> kapputu: esp. the settopboxes
[02:39] <jdub> After installing, the following source dependencies are still unsatisfied:
[02:39] <jdub> mozilla-dev(inst 2:1.7.2-2 >= conflicted 2:1.7)
[02:39] <jdub> mjr: ^^^
[02:40] <mjr> yep, just found that myself
[02:40] <Nafallo> kapputu: trying to figure out how to enable sasl2 in postfix and the problem is that warty are missing packages, as usual :-P.
[02:40] <ogra> btw. OT, does anybody know if thawte has something nagra (but free) like ?
[02:41] <jdub> Nafallo: sasl2-bin is in universe
[02:41] <jdub> Nafallo: but it really ought to be in main, yeah
[02:41] <Nafallo> jdub: yepp, universe are out of security updates :-P.
[02:42] <kapputu> what's sasl2 ?
[02:43] <kapputu> ogra, what's dtv ?
[02:43] <ogra> kapputu: digital tv
[02:43] <kapputu> I'm into NLP, data warehousing
[02:43] <neuro_> neuro@majestic:~ $ apt-cache search sasl2-bin
[02:43] <neuro_> sasl2-bin - Programs for manipulating the SASL users database
[02:44] <kapputu> I guess I'm more into theoretical stuff
[02:44] <kapputu> I want to catch up with what I din't learn in my younger days
[02:44] <kapputu> I think I have told u
[02:44] <kapputu> that my video card din't work with RH 5
[02:44] <kapputu> and I din't have much resources back home
[02:45] <kapputu> used Windows through much of my teens
[02:45] <kapputu> :-(
[02:45] <tck> kapputu, its good to use multiple os
[02:46] <greg_> Hello.
[02:46] <Nafallo> jdub: are there ANY way to get sasl2-bin into warty? would be nice to run ubuntu on my server. sasl2-bin is the one thing left from sarge now :-P.
[02:46] <Liz> hi
[02:46] <ogra> tck: yeah, irix ;)
[02:46] <Nafallo> and no, I don't wan't to wait til April :-P.
[02:46] <tck> openvms is very nice :)
[02:47] <tck> being getting into that lately
[02:47] <neuro_> Nafallo: if you're running a server, why not just run sarge?
[02:47] <ogra> yup....long ago.....
[02:47] <HMS> br
[02:47] <HMS> brb
[02:47] <Nafallo> neuro_: sarge ain't stable :_P
[02:47] <greg_> I just reinstalled warty from the released CD iso, but now I'm having trouble installing some things from universe that used to be no problem. There seem to be some packages missing.
[02:47] <Nafallo> s/_P/-P/
[02:47] <jdub> Nafallo: not into warty main, no. it's released. sasl2-bin is in warty universe, however.
[02:47] <greg_> Any ideas?
[02:48] <jdub> greg_: have you enabled universe and done an update?
[02:48] <neuro_> Nafallo: neither is ubuntu :)
[02:48] <Nafallo> jdub: yea :-/.
[02:48] <greg_> Yes. I believe I did that correctly. I edited the sources.list and I'm using synaptic.
[02:48] <kapputu> tck, I think windows made me dumb
[02:48] <jdub> neuro_: warty has had its final release
[02:48] <ogra> neuro_: ????
[02:48] <tck> greg_ whats mirros are in the sources.list
[02:48] <kapputu> I was a good programmer when I was 14
[02:48] <kapputu> which was when I got a computer
[02:49] <ogra> greg_: refresed in synaptic ?
[02:49] <tck> kapputu, just put it down to another skill :)
[02:49] <kapputu> and I kinda faded away
[02:49] <Nafallo> neuro_: ubuntu warty IS released and have security updates. right now my server is downgraded from sarge to deb woody with ubuntu warty on top :-).
[02:49] <neuro_> jdub: was just making a point
[02:49] <stephen87> hi
[02:49] <neuro_> sarge is pretty damn stable
[02:49] <kapputu> I have lost a great deal of time
[02:49] <kapputu> and now I want to catch up
[02:50] <greg_> ogra:  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/,  http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/, ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat
[02:50] <greg_> ogra: yes.
[02:50] <ogra> greg_: did you click the refresh button
[02:50] <greg_> ogra: yes. I did. A couple of times.
[02:50] <Nafallo> neuro_: are the buildd network for sarge-security up and running?
[02:50] <neuro_> Nafallo: no idea, why don't you ask them?
[02:50] <ogra> greg_: showm me your sources.list (pm)
[02:51] <Nafallo> neuro_: cause I hang on all relevant debian mailinglists, and so for it is not.
[02:52] <neuro_> what's your point?
[02:52] <Nafallo> neuro_: hence woody and warty running :-).
[02:52] <neuro_> i'm just trying to figure out why you're using a desktop-oriented distro in a server role :)
[02:52] <Nafallo> neuro_: point is... no security updates = not running on my server.
[02:53] <Nafallo> neuro_: assuming you meant warty, because woody is pretty damn old :-P.
[02:53] <neuro_> eh?
[02:53] <Nafallo> neuro_: warty brings some of the packages up to date :-)
[02:53] <ogra> greg_: hmm, strange....
[02:53] <Nafallo> neuro_: like exim4 instead of exim3 :-)
[02:54] <Nafallo> (though I'm headed for postfix)
[02:54] <neuro_> but you can't expected a desktop-oriented distro to have all server-related packages in it's main repository ...
[02:55] <kapputu> ogra, you ever sleep ?
[02:55] <ogra> kapputu: in the end of the month ;)
[02:55] <kapputu> that's today fr u
[02:55] <ogra> ohh
[02:55] <max_> can anyone help with wireless WEP  connection
[02:56] <mcdonc> warty rocks... it did a much better job at detecting my hardware than fedora on the same system (wireless, monitor, the fact it's a mobile system so powernowd, and so forth).
[02:56] <jdub> neuro_: ubuntu is a fully supported desktop and server os. it is not 'desktop only'.
[02:56] <kapputu> I never seem to be able to sleep
[02:56] <neuro_> jdub: having "Ubuntu is a complete desktop Linux operating system" on the website would bely that description :)
[02:56] <neuro_> and i didn't say "desktop-only"
[02:56] <Nafallo> nope, but while it has libsasl2, libsasl2-modules and postfix-tls it's just dumb it hasn't sasl2-bin. and because of warty's lack of security support for some servers I have woody to get for example jabberd :-).
[02:56] <jdub> neuro_: we make more noise about the desktop bits
[02:56] <kapputu> ogra, ubun detected that my wireless card was a ACX 111 but still I had to install the acx driver and fetch the firmware to make it work
[02:56] <mcdonc> and many thanks to tollef fog heen for his packaging of binary ati drivers.
[02:57] <kapputu> will this be fixed ?
[02:57] <kapputu> or is there a way around it ?
[02:57] <kapputu> other than following the tutorial ?
[02:57] <ogra> kapputu: dunno, its a binary firmware.....
[02:58] <Nafallo> kapputu: did you try to put the firmware in /lib/hotplug/firmware BEFORE compiling yourself?
[02:58] <kapputu> no
[02:58] <Nafallo> kapputu: that's why it didn't work then :-).
[02:58] <kapputu> dint know i had to do that
[02:58] <Nafallo> strange.
[02:59] <sidney> can somebody tell me how to make LANG different than what it is permanently?
[02:59] <kapputu> ok /lib/hotplug/firmware has my firmware
[02:59] <kapputu> but still it doesn't start on boot
[02:59] <kapputu> i have to manually start it
[03:01] <azuzak> where exactly should I start some apps on booting? I want to setup subversion, for example. thanks
[03:01] <mxpxpod> does anyone here have ubuntu on their ibook g4?
[03:01] <sidney> any ideas on LANG???
[03:01] <kapputu> i want a terminal to run
[03:01] <jdub> azuzak: pretty much anything you install that is a daemon will automatically run on boot
[03:02] <ogra> sidney: sudo dplg-reconfigure locales
[03:02] <ogra> sidney: sudo dpgg-reconfigure locales
[03:03] <azuzak>  svnserve -d -r /home/etc/repos
[03:03] <ogra> sidney: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[03:03] <ogra> damned
[03:03] <azuzak> a command like that is going to start again on the next boot?
[03:03] <ogra> sidney: the last one i posted is right....
[03:03] <sidney> okay thanks
[03:04] <ogra> sidney: then you can select the lang on the login screen ;)
[03:04] <jrobber> I am a newb, apologies. Using the Ubuntu-based Gnoppix CD. Is this the same as the Warty Live CD?
[03:04] <ogra> jrobber: nope
[03:05] <kapputu> hi nomasteryoda
[03:05] <azuzak> ok, and if it's not a demon by default? if I load an app this way: ruby etc.rb &         ,jdub?
[03:05] <nomasteryoda> hey
[03:05] <kapputu> you are the guy that reverses the nick after sometime ?
[03:05] <jrobber> Thanks. :-)  Looks like more strain on my bandwith :-(
[03:05] <ogra> jrobber: gnoppix is knoppix based, ubuntu is morphix
[03:05] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:05] <kapputu> or the girl .. :-P
[03:05] <nomasteryoda> yea
[03:05] <jacob> kapputu, do u like 2 pardie?
[03:05] <kapputu> no
[03:05] <nomasteryoda> when i go to my ubuntu box
[03:06] <kapputu> I hate parties
[03:06] <nomasteryoda> HD crashed ... on ubuntu
[03:06] <kapputu> I hate noise
[03:06] <nomasteryoda> so ... not there now
[03:06] <jacob> u r a parde animal
[03:06] <kapputu> I hate binge drinking
[03:06] <CRySyS> So where can I read up about making Firefox 1.0PR work with Ubuntu?  I'm also curious as too what the problems are that forced a reversion to 9.x.
[03:06] <kapputu> I like a nice beer on a Saturday evening
[03:06] <rebirth> hihi :] 
[03:07] <riffic> CRySyS: download the latest nightly firefox binary
[03:07] <kapputu> CRySyS, firefox 1.0 PR works for me (on three machines) without any problems
[03:07] <riffic> it'll work no problem
[03:07] <kapputu> hi riffic
[03:07] <riffic> dont use trunk though, use the one from the latest-0.11 folder
[03:07] <riffic> kapputu: hi
[03:07] <ogra> CRySyS: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:07] <riffic> trunk is based off of 1.8 and is horribly broken
[03:08] <riffic> latest-0.11 is based off of aviary and is good
[03:08] <jacob> bai'
[03:08] <azuzak> is /etc/rc6.d/ the default?
[03:08] <CRySyS> I'm using the release now, but it freezes up sometimes.  I browsed the bugzilla report, I guess I'll go back and read through again.
[03:09] <ogra> azuzak: nope, 2 is default
[03:09] <CRySyS> I'll try .11, thanks riffic.
[03:09] <azuzak> thanks ogra
[03:09] <ogra> azuzak: 6 is reboot
[03:09] <ogra> azuzak: 0 is halt
[03:09] <riffic> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-0.11/
[03:10] <riffic> nightly builds are fun
[03:10] <CRySyS> Is the nightly going to break many/all extensions?  I use chatzilla, fireFTP, Gmail Notify, ect...
[03:10] <Nafallo> well, time for bed :-P
[03:11] <kapputu> there's a gmail notify for linux ??
[03:11] <riffic> it wont specifically 'break' anything
[03:11] <CRySyS> for Firefox
[03:11] <kapputu> welcome back nomasteryoda
[03:11] <riffic> but you might need to edit your extensions.rdf
[03:11] <kapputu> yeah for firefox
[03:11] <nomasteryoda> heh
[03:11] <riffic> with the bumped version number
[03:11] <nomasteryoda> kapputu: trying to fix my dircproxy
[03:11] <riffic> or wait for newer extensions to be posted
[03:11] <kapputu> what's that ?
[03:11] <thoreauputic> riffic: nightly builds are fun, especially when they pop up for a microsecond and then disappear again ;)
[03:12] <riffic> hey wfm dude
[03:12] <kapputu> hi thoreauputic
[03:12] <ogra> thoreauputic: lol
[03:12] <kapputu> how are u
[03:12] <thoreauputic> hi kapputu
[03:12] <thoreauputic> OK - do you ever sleep? :)
[03:12] <rebirth> no
[03:12] <rebirth> never
[03:13] <kapputu> jus like me !!
[03:13] <kapputu> my friends sleeps for 12 to 14 hrs on weekends
[03:13] <kapputu> the max I can sleep on weekends is 8 hrs
[03:13] <kapputu> don't know how they manage
[03:14] <eruin> by not actually sleeping
[03:14] <kapputu> my friend sleeps for 11pm to 2pm next day
[03:14] <kapputu> for => from
[03:15] <eruin> on weekends?
[03:15] <kapputu> yeah
[03:15] <eruin> then I dont know how he/she manages
[03:15] <thoreauputic> kapputu: it's an acquired skill - takes years of determined practice ;)
[03:15] <kapputu> I keep asking her how she does it
[03:15] <kapputu> lol
[03:15] <kapputu> I sleep 6 or 6.5 hrs on weekdays
[03:15] <eruin> I have the opposite problem
[03:15] <kapputu> sometimes it's 4 or 5
[03:16] <eruin> I get horribly drunk, go to bed around 5am, and wake up at 8 or 9
[03:16] <kapputu> at night ?
[03:16] <eruin> and there's no way I can start sleeping again
[03:16] <eruin> 8/9am
[03:16] <ogra> eruin: dont drink ;)
[03:16] <kapputu> I mostly wake up before the alarm rings
[03:16] <eruin> I'm a student. I'm required by law
[03:16] <eruin> ;p
[03:16] <ogra> oh
[03:17] <ogra> i c
[03:17] <kapputu> I set the alarm for 7.30 am and wake up at 6.30
[03:17] <thoreauputic> afk
[03:17] <eruin> alarms, ye
[03:17] <eruin> I hate them
[03:17] <nomasteryoda> been working on 4 hours per night for 3 months
[03:17] <eruin> I always wake up a split second before it starts making that horrible noise
[03:17] <nomasteryoda> still trying to overcome nodding off at keyboard
[03:18] <nomasteryoda> =)
[03:18] <eruin> sometimes almost in time to launch it into the nearest brick wall
[03:21] <kapputu> ogra you finally went to bed ?
[03:22] <ogra> not yet, diggin through the mailing list....then i'll go
[03:22] <riffic> merrry christmas everyone
[03:23] <facheraso> hello, may i ask when are u sending the cds???
[03:23] <tuppa> riffic: and a happy new year to you too
[03:23] <riffic> Why do geeks celebrate Christmas on Hallowe'en?
[03:23] <tuppa> riffic: how's mars?
[03:24] <riffic> 31 Oct = 25 Dec lol
[03:24] <neuro_> most geeks i know are celebrating halloween on halloween
[03:24] <neuro_> ah
[03:24] <jdub> facheraso: novemberish
[03:24] <neuro_> ba dum tsh
[03:24] <facheraso> ok, man thanks
[03:24] <facheraso> worldwide or just UK?
[03:26] <ogra> jdub: so not today anymore, hahah
[03:26] <kensai> which is a good p2p that can be run on ubuntu
[03:27] <kensai> ?
[03:27] <riffic> bit torrent
[03:28] <neuro_> try azureus
[03:28] <kensai> I already have azureus
[03:28] <kensai> Thanks!
[03:28] <neuro_> sorted then :)
[03:28] <CRySyS> riffic: You mentioned editing extensions.rdf, I have two.  One in /extensions and one in default/profile/extensions  Am I going to need to alter both?
[03:28] <kensai> I just want something like gtk-gnutella
[03:28] <riffic> nah just the one in your default/profile/extensions
[03:29] <riffic> Easy workaround, Close Firefox,
[03:29] <riffic> open \%appdata%\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\randomname\extensions\Extensions.rdf
[03:29] <riffic> and change maxVersion="0.10" to maxVersion="1.0" (there may be a few)
[03:30] <tuppa> dig!
[03:30] <tuppa> (you just have to hide your files in your DNS server)
[03:30] <tuppa> ;)
[03:31] <CRySyS> cool, thanks for the help guys, I'm going to give this a shot now.
[03:35] <ogra> night all...
[03:37] <agwibowo> hello
[03:37] <eruin> anyone know what's required to build xchat-gnome?
[03:37] <agwibowo> how to increase my sound card volume?
[03:38] <rebirth> my mouse has 5 buttons, its an intellimouse 4 (the new one), how do i bind this buttons to back and forward?
[03:40] <mcdonc> rebirth: http://www.wlug.org.nz/XFree86KeyboardMouseNotes
[03:40] <rebirth> thanks
[03:40] <rebirth> :)
[03:41] <riffic> riffic@ashland:~ $ xmms
[03:41] <riffic> /usr/lib/xmms/Input/libmp4.so: undefined symbol: NeAACDecDecode
[03:41] <riffic> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[03:41] <riffic> wtf is this
[03:41] <agwibowo> my gnome volume says that there's no sound card detected... but i can play mp3 songs...
[03:41] <agwibowo> i don't know how to raise the volume....
[03:41] <crimsun> riffic: should be a faq
[03:41] <agwibowo> help me....
[03:41] <riffic> crimsun: where?
[03:43] <mcdonc> riffic: i just put that error message into google and got: http://lists.debian.org/debian-glibc/2003/11/msg00444.html
[03:43] <crimsun> riffic: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=xmms
[03:43] <rebirth> brb. restarting x
[03:45] <mcdonc> riffic: apparently it's a bug in the nvidia binary driver.
[03:45] <riffic> oh. weird
[03:45] <Pizbit> Could be wrong, but you might need to get the mikmod package?
[03:46] <rebirth> mcdonc, could you gimme that link again please? :x
[03:47] <crimsun> $ sudo apt-get install libmikmod2
[03:47] <mcdonc> rebirth: sure, it's http://www.wlug.org.nz/XFree86KeyboardMouseNotes
[03:47] <agwibowo> Pizbit: are you talking to me?
[03:48] <Pizbit> Nah, riffic
[03:48] <agwibowo> ic.
[03:48] <agwibowo> hmm... no one can answer my question... so sad..
[03:48] <riffic> it was working though
[03:48] <rebirth> mcdonc, thanks
[03:48] <riffic> until I installed some mp4 plugins from another repository
[03:48] <Pizbit> agwibowo: Open up the gnome volume controls and look at all of them
[03:48] <riffic> i think those broke something
[03:49] <Pizbit> Although I use aumix myself
[03:49] <agwibowo> Pizbit: it doesnt work
[03:49] <riffic> i just want musepack plugins though
[03:49] <agwibowo> Pizbit: it says, no sound card detected..
[03:49] <carger314> can anyone tell me why Sound Juicer wont rip MP3 files even though I have the LAME encoder installed?
[03:49] <amathis> because it is lame?
[03:49] <carger314> ha
[03:49] <Pizbit> agwibowo: Install aumix then open up a terminal and run aumix and see if that'll work
[03:49] <jdub> carger314: because it uses gstreamer, not the lame binary
[03:49] <carger314> give that man a lousy bash.org quote
[03:49] <agwibowo> ok..
[03:49] <jdub> carger314: so it needs the gstreamer lame plugin
[03:49] <rebirth> doesn't appear to be having much of an effect thought, mcdonc, should i restart ALL of x?
[03:50] <jdub> carger314: which i don't believe is built
[03:50] <carger314> ah. ok
[03:50] <Pizbit> Oh hey, that wlug site gets all over the place.
[03:50] <rebirth> meh, ill reboot
[03:50] <rebirth> bbs!
[03:50] <mcdonc> rebirth: i actually don't know, i just googled for it and it seemed to be appropriate
[03:51] <Pizbit> mcdonc: Heh, I was gonna tell him that all changed to the XF86Config-4 file require an X restarted:)
[03:51] <agwibowo> Pizbit: i run it.. it says: aumix: SOUND_MIXER_READ_DEVMASK
[03:51] <Pizbit> The mind boggles.
[03:52] <azuzak> the commands that I needed to load some services during the boot I added to two files under /etc/init.d and then created links from /etc/rcS.d/ after setting the correct permissions and a couple of adjusts, it worked. thanks. :-)
[03:52] <jason_> hey
[03:53] <jason_> anybody here?
[03:54] <neuro_> nah
[03:54] <Pizbit> neuro_: Ghosts eh?
[03:54] <neuro_> must be
[03:54] <neuro_> i hope i'm not that kid who bruce willis hangs around with
[03:54] <neuro_> "i see dead people ..."
[03:54] <neuro_> "... hacking away like regular people"
[03:56] <jason_> So does Mark Shuttleworth actually come to this chan?
[03:56] <neuro_> we had to eat him for sustenance
[03:56] <amr> hmms
[03:56] <amr> mcdonc, if i do that, x freaks out and breaks
[03:57] <kapputu> does Mark Shuttleworth come to this channel ?
[03:57] <jason_> Does your Mom smile when she sees me
[03:57] <jason_> ?
[03:58] <Pizbit> jason_: Yeah, the same smile she wears when she sees dinner.
[03:59] <mcdonc> amr: you mean following the instructions on that website?  i'm not sure i can help much, i'm just the googler. ;-)
[03:59] <amr> :-(
[04:00] <amr> also, htf do i enable num lock to be always on?
[04:00] <amr> :x
[04:00] <jason_> You dont
[04:00] <jason_> thats just linux
[04:00] <suifur> wow, ubuntu is nice :)
[04:00] <Pizbit> amr: Hrm, 2 secs
[04:00] <amr> jason_, you must be able to
[04:00] <neuro_> tell your bios to put numlock on, some allow you to
[04:00] <amr> i have done
[04:01] <carger314> anyone here using ndiswrapper to get their wireless cards to work?
[04:02] <Pizbit> But you can install numlockx and hit yes when it asks about turning numlock on when x starts
[04:02] <neuro_> bah, pizbit beat me to it :)
[04:03] <Pizbit> neuro_: I was double checking it too:)
[04:03] <neuro_> my excuse it it's 3am :)
[04:03] <Pizbit> Heh, that's a lousy excuse.
[04:04] <neuro_> spose
[04:04] <Pizbit> Especially when you shouldn't be going to bed for another 4 hours.
[04:04] <neuro_> true
[04:04] <neuro_> and i only got up at noon
[04:06] <amr> numlockx? :o
[04:06] <khc> On the hardwaer support page, it says cpu freq scaling works for powerbooks, but it doesn't work here...
[04:07] <Pizbit> amr: Yep, via synaptic
[04:07] <jason_> Why would you want to use Ubuntu if you have a powerbook?
[04:07] <jason_> OS X not good enough?
[04:07] <amr> Pizbit, installed ;)
[04:08] <kapputu> hey guys
[04:08] <Pizbit> amr: Did you enable the script?
[04:08] <kapputu> what's up
[04:08] <amr> Pizbit,  yep
[04:08] <rebirth> gah :|
[04:08] <jason_> Phr0stByte if it isn't your do it
[04:08] <jason_> you have nothing to lose
[04:08] <jason_> ;)
[04:08] <kapputu> lol@jason_
[04:08] <Phr0stByte> Moooohahahaha
[04:08] <kapputu> whose is it Phr0stByte
[04:09] <khc> jason_: What does that have to do with anything?
[04:09] <kapputu> don't do it if it's your gfs
[04:09] <Phr0stByte> my friend just baught it and gave it to me to check out
[04:09] <jason_> go use OS X and be happy
[04:09] <kapputu> she'll fall in love with it and forget u
[04:09] <rebirth> Pizbit, now i just need to get my mouse working :x
[04:09] <jason_> khc
[04:10] <jason_> get portage working on it if you want X11 progs
[04:10] <rebirth> bbs. fiddling :x
[04:10] <khc> jason_: When did #ubuntu become #gentoo?
[04:11] <Phr0stByte> kapputu: I laughed at the idiot for paying $250 for Virtual PC so he can run Windows on the thing
[04:11] <jason_> what would you need windows for?
[04:11] <kapputu> lol
[04:11] <jason_> BSODs?
[04:11] <kapputu> damn Microsoft
[04:11] <jason_> Malware
[04:11] <kapputu> FUware
[04:12] <jason_> lol
[04:12] <jason_> I have never heard it called that
[04:12] <kapputu> that's what it is
[04:12] <neuro_> wake me up when the topic isn't "bashing microsoft 101"
[04:12] <jason_> indeed
[04:12] <jason_> hey monad is cool
[04:12] <jason_> and longhorn looks promising
[04:12] <kapputu> a piece of junk which makes u an imbecile
[04:12] <kapputu> Hey Hiky
[04:12] <jason_> but * > Windows
[04:12] <kapputu> welcome back
[04:13] <kapputu> longhorn promising ??
[04:13] <thoreauputic> promises...promises...
[04:13] <jason_> sure compared to older windows ver.
[04:13] <kapputu> that it'll still be a fucked up piece of software
[04:13] <jason_> why?
[04:14] <neuro_> folks, just imo, if you want to talk shit about microsoft, go do it on /.
[04:14] <kapputu> rebirth, amr why do you keep changing your nick
[04:14] <Phr0stByte> kapputu: MS has desided to skip out on their much hyped new filesystem so that the cam meet their projection date for release....
[04:15] <kapputu> yeah I know
[04:15] <kapputu> and I don't think they'll still manage to meet that date
[04:15] <Phr0stByte> sure they will
[04:15] <kapputu> yep and release 5 security packs a week after they release
[04:16] <Phr0stByte> they will just release a bunch of patches and updates that they didnt have time for before
[04:16] <jdub> dudes, off-topic stuff elsewhere please
[04:16] <Phr0stByte> sure - bye
[04:16] <kapputu> oh come on jdub
[04:16] <kapputu> there wasnt much going on anywa
[04:16] <kapputu> anyway
[04:16] <Phr0stByte> heh
[04:16] <kapputu> welcome back Phr0stByte
[04:17] <Phr0stByte> kapputu: thank you
[04:17] <khc> jdub: ya, like being told to not use ubuntu is on topic?
[04:18] <kapputu> ubuntu will the best operating system when Longhorn comes out, which no one will want to use
[04:18] <kapputu> Phr0stByte, just make sure you have ubuntu somewhere in the sentence and we can continue the MS bashing
[04:18] <kapputu> ;-)
[04:18] <Pizbit> Like jdub said, take it elsewhere. Crikey
[04:19] <v|g|LanT> What's ubuntu?
[04:19] <Phr0stByte> lol
[04:19] <khc> Why is cdrecord -scanbus trying to open /dev/hda?
[04:19] <jason_> are you using SATA or SCSI drives?
[04:19] <jason_> khc
[04:20] <khc> jason_: No idea, whatever is in a powerbook.
[04:20] <khc> I think IDE
[04:20] <jason_> yeah probably
[04:20] <jason_> My cd-rom is /dev/hda
[04:20] <jason_> because I am using a SATA drive
[04:20] <rebirth> mouse all works now
[04:20] <khc> Right
[04:20] <rebirth> nn ;)
[04:20] <khc> But here hda is the disk
[04:21] <jason_> I wish automount would work for my user
[04:21] <kapputu> any Perl developers here ?
[04:21] <jason_> I dunno
[04:21] <kapputu> hi Matt
[04:21] <Pizbit> rebirth: What's with the name changing?
[04:21] <rebirth> Pizbit, do i get disconnected?
[04:22] <amr> I won't let you change your nick anymore
[04:22] <amr> :-)
[04:22] <rebirth> :-(
[04:22] <Pizbit> amr: Heh
[04:22] <rebirth> think muh is a bit broked
[04:22] <rebirth> :\
[04:22] <Pizbit> rebirth: Not all the time
[04:22] <rebirth> im having a bnc running in the bg so i can switch wm's
[04:22] <khc> Let's hope rebirth registered amr and ghost kapputu
[04:22] <kapputu> oh yeah he did
[04:22] <rebirth> i do have amr, but i forgot the pass :'(
[04:22] <kapputu> great !!!
[04:22] <rebirth> anyway, nightynight!
[04:23] <rebirth> thanks for all your help
[04:23] <rebirth> you all rock
[04:23] <rebirth> :)
[04:23] <kapputu> bye rebirth, amr
[04:23] <cuga> Hey, I've always been a Deb user and I just have one question thats gonna put me over to install Ubuntu on my desktop, when the 6 months comes round and Ubuntu has a new release, will it be like deb where you just do a dist-upgrade and you are running the new release?
[04:23] <jason_> yes cuga
[04:24] <kapputu> jason_, are  u using hoary ?
[04:24] <jason_> you can upgrade from preview to fullreleases as well
[04:24] <jason_> yes
[04:24] <cuga> jason_: thanks, cd finishing burning now, my buddy tried it out and had nothing but good things to say so we'll see :)
[04:24] <Phr0stByte> goodnight ubuntu kapputu ubuntu see ubuntu you ubuntu next ubuntu time ubuntu
[04:24] <kapputu> bye Phr0stByte
[04:24] <kapputu> lol
[04:24] <kapputu> funny fellow
[04:24] <Pizbit> heh
[04:24] <cuga> anything I should know before I install Ubuntu ?
[04:24] <kapputu> jason_, how stable is hoary ?
[04:25] <kapputu> cuga, a lil English ?
[04:25] <Pizbit> cuga: Ubuntu uses sudo
[04:25] <jason_> I have found bugs in Gnome
[04:25] <jason_> and in XMMS
[04:25] <jason_> TV Time
[04:25] <kapputu> ic
[04:25] <kapputu> anything major
[04:25] <kapputu> ?
[04:25] <Pizbit> kapputu: It isn't, and wont be for a while
[04:25] <jason_> Gnome apps crash when I mess around a lot
[04:25] <cuga> hoary?
[04:25] <kapputu> Pizbit, wht isn't and what won't be ?
[04:26] <jason_> if I try to umount from a console devices that are already mounted it will sometime crash the icons on my desktop
[04:26] <Pizbit> kapputu: hoary, and because it's still being merged and whatnot
[04:26] <cuga> what is wrong with TV Time, that's a pretty important app for me :)
[04:26] <kapputu> any help needed ?
[04:26] <Pizbit> cuga: The next release is started to be created, don't worry about it
[04:26] <jason_> well I think it is an X problem
[04:26] <Pizbit> cuga: Nothing? I use it.
[04:26] <cuga> next release have x.org?
[04:27] <jason_> but sometimes I move the window behind something else and part of the screen will stay blue
[04:27] <kapputu> oh the blue screen !!
[04:27] <Pizbit> cuga: Oh yeah, and you'll probably want to uncomment the universe repositories in your sources.list
[04:27] <jason_> this usually goes away with an alt ctl backspace
[04:28] <jason_> its not that bad Kapputu
[04:28] <jason_> just some quirks
[04:28] <jdub> cuga: it will do, but doesn't yet.
[04:28] <kapputu> I'll try it out sometime next week
[04:28] <jason_> more like XP rtm release
[04:28] <cuga> universe in sources.list basically what was in the deb unstable snap at the time right?
[04:28] <Matt|> does anyone use xmms? If so do they know how to get the damn thing to order songs by track number in the id3 tag rather than by name????! Help!
[04:28] <jason_> yes cuga
[04:28] <jason_> Sid
[04:29] <jdub> cuga: universe in warty == debian main frozen in late june
[04:29] <cuga> well i've been on sarge for a bit and was going to goto sid this weekend, but instead i'll try Warty instead :)
[04:29] <carger314> Matt|: ive had the same problem
[04:29] <carger314> dunno a fix though, sorry
[04:29] <jason_> pure sid is too much hassle
[04:30] <jason_> for me at least
[04:30] <Matt|> carger314, you think there is a plugin?
[04:30] <cuga> yeah thats why I re-installed and when't to sarge few months ago, did an upgrade on teh wrong day :S
[04:30] <cuga> lol
[04:30] <jdub> jason_: hoary will (soon) be synced daily with sid until it freezes, so it will be much the same.
[04:30] <cuga> what is hoary?
[04:30] <carger314> Matt| no, i think there is
[04:30] <jason_> the next release
[04:30] <jdub> cuga: the next release
[04:31] <jason_> hoary hedgehog
[04:31] <khc> I need to rewatch toy story
[04:31] <cuga> haha really, I like it already haha
[04:31] <khc> Who's hoary?
[04:31] <riffic> did you just call me whorey
[04:31] <jason_> not whorey
[04:31] <jason_> lol
[04:31] <cuga> ok im going to install, hopefully i'll be back tonight.. in Ubuntu
[04:31] <riffic> yah kidding
[04:31] <cuga> Later gents
 Matt| no, i think there is
[04:32] <Matt|> carger314, sorry don't get that
[04:32] <Matt|> carger314, you think there is, or you think there isn't?
[04:32] <carger314> err, sorry about that. i *don't* think there is.
[04:33] <Matt|> ah :(
[04:33] <carger314> anytime i rip a cd, the tracks get screwed up - but anytime i download a albums worth of mp3 tracks - they stay in order
[04:34] <carger314> its odd to say the least
[04:34] <Matt|> i have another problem. When I maximise an aterm window, or resize it in any way, the transparency is lost and the background becomes white. Can anyone help with this?
[04:34] <Matt|> carger314, what tag do you put on the cds you rip?
[04:35] <carger314> i rip with Grip (that sounds like a bad endorsement) using regular ID3 tags
[04:35] <jono> hi
[04:36] <Matt|> carger314, me too
[04:36] <kapputu> Matt|, what are the command line options for aterm ?
[04:36] <Matt|> kapputu, i was using "aterm -ta -fg gray
[04:37] <Matt|> sorry -tr
[04:37] <kapputu> hmm
[04:37] <kapputu> try this
[04:37] <kapputu> oop
[04:38] <kapputu> aterm -tr -bg black -sb
[04:39] <Matt|> hmm
[04:39] <Matt|> ok
[04:39] <kapputu> see if you have the same prob
[04:39] <Matt|> yes i do
[04:39] <Matt|> :(
[04:39] <kapputu> hmm
[04:40] <kapputu> probably a bug
[04:40] <Matt|> meh
[04:40] <Matt|> damn bugs
[04:41] <kapputu> when did u install ubuntu ?
[04:41] <Matt|> last week
[04:41] <Matt|> or this week
[04:41] <Matt|> why do you ask ?
[04:41] <jason_> Where do you guys predict Ubuntu to be in a couple years?
[04:41] <kapputu> same here
[04:42] <kapputu> installed last friday
[04:42] <Matt|> jason_, no idea.
[04:42] <kapputu> if they can maintain the eye-candy and keep up, they'll do very well
[04:42] <Matt|> hmm
[04:43] <kapputu> and see a good following
[04:43] <jason_> I want x.org :(
[04:43] <Matt|> me too
[04:43] <carger314> if they can make it a bit less buggy, they may keep me from buying a mac :)
[04:43] <Matt|> i'm having to recompile the dri modules to get 3d support for my video chipset
[04:43] <kapputu> oh yeah I saw those translucent screenshots
[04:43] <Matt|> I WANT XORG!!!
[04:43] <jason_> apple keeps me from buying a mac
[04:43] <jason_> overpriced as hell
[04:43] <jason_> no its more like Steve Jobs keeps me from a mac
[04:44] <carger314> i have a friend whos been an open source advocate/linux user for years who just bought a mac
[04:44] <carger314> hes *never* going back
[04:44] <kapputu> going back to what ?
[04:45] <carger314> to Debian
[04:45] <Matt|> ouch
[04:45] <jason_> I can see that but OS X doesn't really have the extensibility in it's apps that other OSs have
[04:45] <jason_> and doesn't over the customization
[04:45] <kapputu> would like to try out a Mac sometime
[04:45] <jason_> even compared to windows
[04:48] <Gmail> where is ubuntu's new wiki????????????????
[04:49] <jason_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[04:49] <kapputu> bye jason_, Matt|
[04:49] <jason_> cya
[04:49] <kapputu> c ya guys tomm
[04:49] <Matt|> bye
[04:49] <jason_> bye
[04:49] <jason_> I wonder if x.org is stable yet?
[04:49] <jason_> with xcompmgr
[04:49] <Matt|> jason_, depends what you wanna do with it :)
[04:50] <Matt|> oh
[04:50] <Matt|> what is that?
[04:50] <jason_> it is a Window manager that runs on top of exist managers that add shadow effects to windows
[04:50] <jason_> existing*
[04:50] <Matt|> hmm
[04:50] <Matt|> got a screenshot?
[04:51] <jason_> nah
[04:51] <jason_> I used it on Fedora
[04:51] <jason_> just a sec Ill get you one
[04:51] <jason_> xcompmgr works in Gnome KDE ect.
[04:51] <b_e_n_z> Matt|, http://members.hknet.com/~wsk/ss2.png
[04:51] <jason_> but as far as I know the current build is buggy
[04:51] <carger314> crap... my cdburner/dvd drive just *stopped* working.
[04:52] <wm_eddie> Any pygtk gurus around?
[04:53] <pepsi__> why doesnt evolution automagically take out my junk mail?
[04:53] <nomasteryoda> wm_eddie: having troubles with bittorent myself... wxpython issue
[04:53] <pepsi__> i have 328 messages marked as junk
[04:53] <thecyclops> So i just downloaded ubuntu and i didnt see how it was different or any better than any other distro?
[04:54] <wm_eddie> pepsi__: You probably haven't configured any deletion rules.
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> yup
[04:54] <Matt|> thecyclops, lol
[04:54] <thecyclops> Why is everyone raving about it?
[04:54] <Matt|> thecyclops, what are you looking for in a distro?
[04:54] <pepsi__> cause you're in a ubuntu channel
[04:54] <wm_eddie> thecyclops: It's very different than most distros.
[04:54] <thecyclops> Did I miss something....Whats the fasination with it?
[04:55] <wm_eddie> thecyclops: What distros did you use before?
[04:55] <Matt|> hmm there are too many distros nowadays. So many that no one can support them all
[04:55] <Matt|> but i like the idea of a debian distro with shorter release gaps
[04:55] <pepsi__> wm_eddie, rules wont work because messages dont automatically marked as junk
[04:55] <thecyclops> mandrake,redhat,fedora,suse,knoppix
[04:55] <aLi> why are there too many distros?
[04:55] <wm_eddie> thecyclops: Then you haven't used a Debian based distro before.
[04:56] <jason_> how do I make firefox the default browser again?
[04:56] <Matt|> aLi, i think there are because they vary just enough that no one can keep up with em all
[04:56] <thecyclops> knoppix is debian based
[04:56] <Matt|> wm_eddie, knoppix is debian based
[04:56] <wm_eddie> well... yeah but it's knoppix it's different.
[04:56] <amathis> howso?
[04:56] <wm_eddie> it's not a distro you install on your computer.
[04:56] <pepsi__> jason_, is it set in Preferred Applications?
[04:56] <amathis> wm_eddie, not true
[04:56] <wm_eddie> it's not something you use APT with.
[04:57] <amathis> wm_eddie, you can install knoppix on a computer
[04:57] <jason_> thanks
[04:57] <amathis> it is not just a live cd
[04:57] <thecyclops> im not flaming or anything but this seems to be the rage right now and I was curious why
[04:57] <wm_eddie> amathis: I know that but it's not really made for that.
[04:57] <Zero> holy shiznit. Free CD shipping
[04:57] <Zero> *orgasim*
[04:57] <pepsi__> when do i get my CDs?
[04:57] <wm_eddie> thecyclops: Ubuntu is pretty much Debian done with a few nice things.  Like a 6 month release cycle.
[04:58] <wm_eddie> It's just one cd, a minimal desktop.  Can't say the same for SuSE or RedHat.
[04:58] <jason_> with the new installer
[04:59] <jason_> and it sets up everything u need
[04:59] <jason_> alsa was a pain to setup in sid
[04:59] <wm_eddie> thecyclops: Try installing Debian so you can see how nice the newer installer in Ubuntu is.
[04:59] <jason_> are they going graphical ala Anaconda for Hoary?
[05:00] <inc_> sup room
[05:02] <inc_> any one know if there is such a thing as rdp server for *nix (not VNC) so M$ rdp can be used?
[05:03] <jasund> Ubuntu is at 2.6.8; its clean; has fewer problems; uses APT; I like the rootless concept; sets up smb automatically; etc.
[05:04] <inc_> the smb was very easy to setup
[05:04] <aLi> i have 15 sarge debian sarge iso images on mydisk. and mount them /mnt/deb1 ext.. how can i add them to sources list?
[05:04] <stuNNed> inc_, can't auth by user here with smb
[05:04] <inc_> so all these people here but no one talking
[05:04] <BlueGundam> I need some help. I have a fat32 partition, how do I make it so that I can write to it without being root?
[05:05] <aLi> BlueGundam~ moount with -o umask 000,rw
[05:05] <inc_> what was that stunned?
[05:05] <stuNNed> inc_, using smb i can't auth by user, can't see windows shares
[05:06] <aLi> i have 15 sarge debian sarge iso images on mydisk. and mount them /mnt/deb1 ext.. how can i add them to sources list?
[05:06] <inc_> you make sure the work group name is exactly the same
[05:06] <stuNNed> inc_, in smb.conf or gui?
[05:07] <inc_> either.. i'll look at my smb.conf right now
[05:07] <inc_> i didn't need to set it up all i needed to do was add a smb user
[05:09] <Gmail> btw why does gnome-system-monitor say my cpu is sleeping???
[05:09] <inc_> what do u have your win workgroup called?
[05:09] <speel> hey how do ya install nvidia drivers?
[05:09] <Matt|> can anyone think of any packages I might need to recompile my Xfree dri modules? I come across an error and I think that maybe i need to install other packages?
[05:10] <speel> ??
[05:10] <Hikaru79> speel
[05:10] <jboyens> How can I use cupsaddsmb to export a SAMBA printer if I can't login as root?
[05:11] <Hikaru79> Use Synaptic
[05:11] <Hikaru79> It has the nvidia driver on there
[05:11] <Hikaru79> I got it and it works great ;)
[05:11] <speel> but thats all i need is that one thing?
[05:11] <jasund> inc:  If you are asking me, my win workgroup is called workgroup - in CAPS.  smb also saw another workgroup by another name.  I was pleasantly surprised.
[05:11] <Gmail> 0_0 trippleplay is MAD
[05:12] <inc_> anyone know of a rdp server for *nix (not VNC) so M$ rdp work with *nix?
[05:12] <inc_> mine was mshome and it works straight off
[05:12] <stuNNed> anyone know why i can't change desktop background image in nautilus?
[05:13] <fsc> stuNNed, just right click on the desktop
[05:13] <stuNNed> fsc, yes, won't change when i change it
[05:16] <speel> what file do i edit once i dled the nvidia drivers?
[05:16] <LucidVisions> hello all,I am about to install ubuntu tonight.Ive been using debian/unstable for 2 years,but ubuntu sounds fantastic
[05:17] <inc_> no complaints here
[05:17] <asubedi> LucidVisions: Ubuntu is fantastic
[05:17] <rushibhai> lucid: i just moved from sid to ubuntu. no problems yet..
[05:17] <inc_> installed konquerer cuase i don't like nautilis
[05:17] <inc_> it's works
[05:17] <LucidVisions> exelent, thats good to hear,,im excited indeed
[05:18] <Matt|> can anyone think of any packages I might need to recompile my Xfree dri modules? I come across an error and I think that maybe i need to install other packages?
[05:18] <rushibhai> lucidvisions: good luck, you'll like it, esp. the wallpaper artwork
[05:18] <inc_> lol the default artwork?
[05:19] <rushibhai> lol the ubuntu-calendar stuff
[05:19] <inc_> went to art.gnome.org for new spalsh screen that dude was scary
[05:19] <rushibhai> we were all rolling on the floor at school after seeing it..
[05:19] <inc_> gave me nightmares
[05:19] <inc_> lol
[05:20] <LucidVisions> lol,,sounds cool.
[05:20] <rushibhai> hahaha. anyone notice the nipples at the login screen?
[05:20] <inc_> eww
[05:20] <rushibhai> exactly.
[05:21] <jason_> You'd rather a penis inc_?
[05:21] <inc_> yeah they need to get rid of that
[05:21] <inc_> rather not see any
[05:21] <rushibhai> "human" greeter is not bad, though.
[05:22] <inc_> not kool for default... say I wanted to setup 10 workstations with it at work.. not gonna fly with half naked people on the screens
[05:22] <rushibhai> no dude, i convinced one guy to put ubuntu just because of that. he was going to put sid otherwise..
[05:23] <inc_> lol
[05:23] <inc_> maybe they should let you choose during the install process
[05:24] <rushibhai> or not install the calendar package. then it doesn't turn up (i think)
[05:24] <aLi> how can i mount iso files?
[05:24] <inc_> well you still see them at startup on the splash screen
[05:25] <rushibhai> ah. you're right. i just checked that.
[05:25] <inc_> the backgrd is easy to change the spalsh is not hard but a pain
[05:25] <rushibhai> right..
[05:26] <rushibhai> still, nothing like built-in half naked people in the desktop. got to love it..
[05:26] <inc_> i got a crystal gnome splash screen.. looks good
[05:26] <inc_> lol oh ya
[05:26] <inc_> one thing i noticed is that you need to install everything on the fly.. I was like where's apace and php and mysql lol
[05:27] <inc_> like to use trace route I needed to type apt-get install traceroute
[05:27] <aLi> how can i mount iso files?
[05:28] <inc_> it's kool though learned more that way
[05:28] <rushibhai> ali: check out the man page for mount, you can use the -o loop option..
[05:28] <rushibhai> there is an example in the man page itself.
[05:28] <LucidVisions> So its nice and lean by default then..very cool.
[05:28] <aLi> rushibhai~ it says mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#
[05:28] <aLi> 
[05:28] <rushibhai> apt-cache search is good for that.
[05:29] <inc_> yeah lean but still have open office and stuff so it's not too lean
[05:29] <LucidVisions> Ive only heard of one issue though,isnt it vital to sudo passwd root,cause it doesnt ask you to create a root account?
[05:29] <cuga> Heya
[05:30] <rushibhai> ali: even as root?
[05:30] <cuga> thought Ubuntu had firefox .10 PR ?
[05:30] <inc_> the postfix mta is great... just poped courier on there and after a few days of learning how mail works it got it running lol
[05:30] <aLi> yes rushibai
[05:31] <inc_> let me check i thought it did
[05:31] <aLi> rushibhai~ i have installed ubuntu yet. try to mount 15 debian iso files to add apt-cdrom.. mount i cant mount them
[05:31] <rushibhai> ali: humm.. there was something called losetup though i don't remember yet.
[05:31] <inc_> nah i got 0.9.3 for firefox
[05:31] <jasund> LucidVisions:  Instead of setting up a root account, one uses gksu AKA root terminal to do root's work.
[05:32] <rushibhai> ali: are you able to see anything starting with loop in /dev ?
[05:32] <inc_> let me see if apt-get upgrade firefox works
[05:32] <aLi> rushibhai~ no.. i have checked already.. no loop in /dev
[05:32] <lamont> cuga: 1.0PR was not ready to be released.
[05:32] <LucidVisions> ah,,i see,intresting.
[05:33] <cuga> lamont: ahh kk, makes sense
[05:33] <rushibhai> ali: how about modprobe loop
[05:33] <lamont> cuga: hence the funky version number...
[05:33] <lamont> it _was_ there at one point, and yanked
[05:34] <inc_> well apt-get upgrade upgraded liek 10 other packages lol
[05:34] <rushibhai> ali: i may not be of huge help, as i have loopback support compiled in kernel. anyone else here able to help?
[05:34] <aLi> rushibhai~ :) thanks:) how can i add loop module on startup
[05:35] <rushibhai> ali: put it in /etc/modules
[05:35] <thoreauputic> aLi: you don't need to mount to use apt-cdrom . just do "apt-cdrom add"
[05:35] <inc_> so anybody know of an rdp server for linux?
[05:36] <rushibhai> thoreau: even for iso image files?
[05:36] <rushibhai> interesting..
[05:39] <cuga> I have an ATI video card, does ubuntu install by default accelerated drivers? or just 2d ?
[05:39] <rushibhai> depends which ati.
[05:39] <cuga> 9600XT
[05:39] <rushibhai> i dont have that, but you would want to use fglrx packages (i think)
[05:40] <cuga> XF86 log says accelerated but i only get 300fps on glxgears and i dont see any of ATI's utilitie
[05:40] <aLi> thoreauputic~ but im trying to add 15 iso files on my disk to apt?
[05:40] <rushibhai> my radeon 7500 works out of the box.
[05:40] <rushibhai> does glxinfo say DRI is on?
[05:40] <thoreauputic> aLi: ah soory my mistake - I misunderstood what you were doing
[05:41] <cuga> direct rendering : No
[05:41] <aLi> then help me thoreauputic:)
[05:41] <rushibhai> cuga: so that's why your glxgears is crawling...
[05:41] <rushibhai> cuga: try installing fglrx packages. i think there are about three different ones you might need.
[05:41] <cuga> yeah i see Mesa drivers , damn, does ubuntu has prepackaged ones or should i grab em from ati
[05:43] <rushibhai> ali: i dont understand your motives here.. :)
[05:43] <hectorvs> hey guys, whats up
[05:43] <brc_> wow...246 :)
[05:43] <hectorvs> i have a bit of a problem with the network-admin...
[05:44] <hectorvs> it insists in making my ethernet connection eth2 when in reality it should be eth0
[05:44] <hectorvs> how do i go about to fix this?
[05:44] <thoreauputic> aLi: are you doing this because you use dialup and don't want to download using apt/ synaptic?
[05:44] <hectorvs> i had to run ifconfig eth0 up, then dhclient
[05:44] <hectorvs> to get a connection...
[05:46] <aLi> thoreauputic~ not dialup.. but 64 k adsl :(
[05:46] <cuga> ok i installed fglrx-driver and fglrx-control, how do i set it up now, i see no module to build or source in /usr/src...
[05:47] <aLi> i have bougth my friend disk and copied the sarge isos..
[05:47] <cuga> brb
[05:47] <thoreauputic> aLi: I use dialup and it's fine except for major upgrades - 64k would be luxury - why are you worried about it?
[05:48] <thoreauputic> aLi: or just burn the CDs and use apt-cdrom normally
[05:48] <aLi> thoreauputic we are sharing connection (nearly 13 people).. so apt cant download anything..
[05:48] <rushibhai> alright. see you guys later..
[05:48] <aLi> pff thoreauputic.. iwanna use iso files with apt
[05:48] <aLi> can i do or not
[05:49] <inc_> cya
[05:51] <agwibowo> can i suspend my computer in ubuntu?
[05:51] <agwibowo> (i'm using laptop)
[05:52] <thoreauputic> aLi: I guess the best thing would be to create a local mirror - I think how to do it is in the apt howto but I haven't done it myself. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[05:53] <aLi> thanks thoreauputic i have read it several times.. nothing there..
[05:53] <hectorvs> guys, any help? my network-admin detects my ethernet device as eth2 when it should be eth0... how can i fix this??
[05:53] <thoreauputic> aLi; 15 ISOs is a fair bit of disk space....
[05:54] <aLi> thoreauputic~ just 8.4 gb
[05:55] <thoreauputic> aLi: maybe here?  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.html
[05:55] <Pizbit> Hrm, these sensors must be b0rk, no way my cpu is 74.5C
[05:55] <Pizbit> Nor is it likely to be 33C heh
[05:55] <aLi> ok, i'm lookin
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> Pizbit: my athlon 3000+ is 39C
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> case 46C
[05:56] <Pizbit> nomasteryoda: My AMD XP 1800+ has never gone much above 55
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> er, MB that is
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:56] <agwibowo> hello.....
[05:56] <agwibowo> anyone???
[05:56] <agwibowo> how to suspend my laptop in ubuntu.....
[05:57] <vasi> agwibowo, ppc or x86?
[05:57] <agwibowo> x86
[05:57] <vasi> i can only help on ppc :-/
[05:57] <agwibowo> hmm :(
[05:57] <Pizbit> nomasteryoda: I'm tempted to put my finger on the cpu fan to see if that shows the fan speed changing *evil grin*
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> Pizbit: you might have to adjust the sensors conf for your mb chips
[05:58] <cuga> Hey, is there any image for warty for kernel 2.6.9 ? 2.6.8-1 has probs last i heard
[05:58] <Pizbit> nomasteryoda: I only just looked at setting them up ebcause someone was talking about them on the list
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> Pizbit: i keep mine up in gkrellm
[05:59] <Pizbit> Yeah, that's what I'm looking at
[05:59] <Pizbit> Getting the hd temps was easy
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:00] <Pizbit> apt-get install hddtemp heh
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> i love apt-get
[06:00] <hectorvs> nomasteryoda: emerge is better :p
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:00] <Pizbit> emerge is sloow
[06:01] <hectorvs> too bad gentoo sucks for the desktop
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> but i don't like waiting on compile
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:01] <Pizbit> nomasteryoda: I'm guessing the 33C temp is the mobo
[06:01] <hectorvs> imagine how i felt after using gentoo for the laptop and then ubutu... hehe
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> ya
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> yea what a change
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> 5 times pressed enter... rebooted ... done
[06:02] <hectorvs> hehe
[06:02] <hectorvs> you know whats strange? that my wireless worked right after installation, no config necesary, but my ethernet is screwed
[06:03] <Pizbit> heh
[06:03] <Pizbit> Shit happens
[06:03] <hectorvs> network-admin detects my ethernet card as eth2 when it should put it as eth0...
[06:03] <hectorvs> i have to run "ifconfig eth0 up" and then dhclient
[06:03] <hectorvs> which sucks...
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:04] <hectorvs> u know how to fix this? :S
[06:04] <hectorvs> a config file for network-admin maybe or something?
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> hectorvs: look in /etc/
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> i have not had the pleasure of using wireless with ubuntu
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> ...yet
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> so i only have eth0
[06:05] <RuffianSoldier> hey izzle
[06:05] <hectorvs> :p
[06:05] <Pizbit> Duh, I  pushed something I had to do out of the scrollback buffer of gnome-terminal >.<
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> i did some kismet wardriving the other day... with suse
[06:06] <nomasteryoda> can't wait to get it going with ubuntu
[06:06] <LucidVisions> hey nomasteryoda: is airsnort any good?
[06:06] <nomasteryoda> have not tried that yet
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> like kismet ... just wish i had a gps
[06:07] <rye> I haven't seen anything mentioned about WPA support in Ubuntu.  Does anybody know if it's supported?
[06:07] <hectorvs> hmm, if it says "for more informatio, see interfaces(5)" where do i check it?
[06:07] <LucidVisions> that would be a nice setup indeed.
[06:08] <Pizbit> Hrm, what's the module lp for?
[06:08] <rye> My WRT54G which runs Linux supports WPA.
[06:08] <hectorvs> nvm... :p
[06:08] <thoreauputic> hectorvs: in man interfaces
[06:10] <Pizbit> thoreauputic: Crazy, http://web.wt.net/~billw/gkrellm/gkrellm.png
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> what kind of fan speeds
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> 3770
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> Pizbit: what does sensors return in console
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> is it the same?
[06:13] <Pizbit> Two fans, one 0 and one 4856(abotu what it should be)
[06:14] <Pizbit> I don't have a second fan plugge din so the 0 is fine;)
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> my fan runs about 2600
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> fans
[06:15] <Pizbit> BTW, that gkrellm image isn't mine;)
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:15] <Pizbit> My sensors http://www.pastebin.com/115383
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> cool
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> so does the tv card work
[06:16] <Pizbit> Yep
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> nice
[06:16] <Pizbit> Be danged why sensors looks at it though heh
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> did you have to do special configuration
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> the chipset is probed
[06:17] <Gmail> *week
[06:17] <hectorvs> which file do i modify to get a daemon (gdesklets) to start up automagically? =)
[06:18] <Pizbit> hectorvs: Computer -> desktop preferences -> sessions -> Add it to startup
[06:18] <hectorvs> Pizbit: you own =)
[06:18] <Pizbit> Be sure to make sure there's a session in the list though.
[06:21] <tolstoy> Folks, any recommendations for disk partition for ubuntu?
[06:22] <tolstoy> The docs seem pretty thin. Do I need /boot, like RH likes to do it?
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> in addition to another parition/distro?
[06:22] <Pizbit> Hey, this thread has good info http://forums.scotsnewsletter.com/index.php?s=568a43fc3fff041a898ced4f3501b65e&showtopic=503&st=0
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> i like to do mine that way
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> '/boot / swap
[06:22] <Pizbit> I just use one big /
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> Pizbit: yea
[06:23] <tolstoy> I've got two disks.  The 2nd, I'd like /home.  Not sure about the first.  Does /boot need to be bootable?
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> er, it should be set bootable if you put grub there
[06:23] <tolstoy> Hm. Okay, I'll do that.  The installer seems to assume I know just a bit more than I do. ;)
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> all mine work fine that way
[06:23] <tolstoy> *I* put grub there?  So, does grub go on /boot?
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> tolstoyyou can also just do one like Pizbit
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> that's where mine is
[06:24] <Pizbit> tolstoy: You can setup one disk as / and the other as /home
[06:24] <tolstoy> What's the dif between primary and logical?
[06:24] <bub> yamyamsnz siz
[06:24] <bub> korktum :((
[06:25] <tolstoy> So, first disk / is primary, right?  (Plus a swap partition.)
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:25] <tolstoy> and 2nd disk, all /home.  Primary also?
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> no
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> logical works fine for all else
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> primary for booot
[06:26] <tolstoy> Only the partition that boots is "primary" eh?
[06:26] <|trey|> tolstoy, can have up to 4 primaries... extended counts though...
[06:27] <|trey|> tolstoy, usually / swap and /boot plus extended for everything else...
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> |trey|: yea
[06:28] <|trey|> tolstoy, primary is bootable... logical is an extended...
[06:29] <tolstoy> okay, so does this work:
[06:29] <tolstoy>   <primary>  /
[06:29] <tolstoy>   <logical>  /swap
[06:29] <tolstoy>   <logical>  /home
[06:29] <tolstoy> ?
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> good
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> go for it
[06:30] <tolstoy> Why do some folks create a separate /boot partition?
[06:30] <|trey|> tolstoy, can do <primary> / /boot swap <logical> /home /usr /var
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> what is the command to change video resolution in ubuntu
[06:30] <Pizbit> nomasteryoda: alt+ctrl+ +/- ?:)
[06:31] <tolstoy> nomasteryoda, there's also a gui applet.
[06:31] <psyklops> why is it that when I do that, all it does is zoom in?
[06:31] <Pizbit> nomasteryoda: Computer -> System Configuration -> Screen Resolution
[06:31] <cuga> Hey, question, Im just customizing my gnome a bit now, and i deleted the top panel and build the bottom one with what I want, but i notice now that stuff that have 'system tray' icons, like gaim, dont show up anymore so if I close the buddy list, the process is still running but i have no way to get back to it, anybody have any idea how i cna tell apps to use the bottom panel?
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:31] <|trey|> nomasteryoda, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 remove lines listing "HorizSync" and "VertSync"
[06:31] <Pizbit> cuga: add in the notification area
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:31] <|trey|> Then do what Pizbit said.
[06:31] <psyklops> I change resolutions with ctrl alt + or - and I just see everything bigger (and it extends off screen)
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> i need to change the refresh rates
[06:31] <tolstoy> cuga, you have to add the "notification" applet.
[06:32] <Pizbit> nomasteryoda: Don't remove them, just make them what your monitor does
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> and i did it automagically ...basically
[06:32] <tolstoy> Oh, sorry Pizbit. ;)
[06:32] <cuga> ahh, thanks :)
[06:32] <|trey|> psyklops, that sounds like you configured virtual resolution...
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> last time
[06:32] <pepsi__> why doesnt evolution automatically mark stuff as junk?
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> had to reinstall due to HD failure
[06:32] <psyklops> ?
[06:32] <|trey|> Used to use that when my old monitor couldn't do 1024x800 on linux  :(
[06:32] <psyklops> never heard of virtual resolution
[06:32] <tolstoy> pepsi__, you have to intall spamassissin
[06:33] <|trey|> tolstoy, that really ought to be fixed by now though, jdub new about it early on...
[06:33] <marcushe> how can i change my right-click to control + click?
[06:33] <marcushe> im on a maclett
[06:33] <tolstoy> |trey|, what ought to be fixed.  Spamassassin not being installed by default?
[06:34] <|trey|> tolstoy, it *should* install by default...
[06:34] <tolstoy> ah
[06:35] <|trey|> Every other version of 2.6 has it, or just uses Mozilla Thunderbird...
[06:35] <pepsi__> so it should start working now that i installed it?
[06:35] <|trey|> eh, 2.8 I mean...
[06:35] <tolstoy> pepsi__, you can tell it's working if you see "learning spam" on the status bar when you mark junk.
[06:36] <marcushe> also, is there any way to browse for a smb printer and select it?
[06:38] <pepsi__> tolstoy, yeah i see that now, thx
[06:38] <nomasteryoda> man i love the Ubuntu startup theme music
[06:38] <Pizbit> Great innit?
[06:38] <psyklops> what? I never heard that
[06:39] <marcushe> oh well
[06:39] <Pizbit> marcushe: My best guess is Computer -> Network
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> marcushe, does
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> smb://
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> work
[06:40] <Pizbit> nomasteryoda: You should always say where to put that btw:)
[06:40] <marcushe> well i dont know what the address of the printer is so id like to browse for it
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:40] <Pizbit> marcushe: Yeah, try going via the computer -> network
[06:41] <marcushe> well that brings up servers
[06:41] <Pizbit> Click into them and see if it lists a printer
[06:42] <marcushe> nah not sein it
[06:42] <nomasteryoda> ah, much better video refresh
[06:42] <marcushe> but i must shout out - unbuntu is the best mac linux i've used yet
[06:42] <Pizbit> That's be out of ideas, I've never touched printers in linux.
[06:43] <marcushe> i've been waiting for yellow dog 4 to come out, but this blows it out of the water
[06:43] <marcushe> im out guys, see ya
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> ouch
[06:44] <Pizbit> Movie time
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> =)
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> watching outerlimits
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> i asked aobut your tv card
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> cause i have an NTSC version
[06:47] <nomasteryoda> and it never worked in Mandrake or Suse
[06:47] <Pizbit> Mine does that too I believe
[06:47] <Pizbit> WHat chipset?
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> same as yours
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> saa
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> philips
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> it seems
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> asus brand
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> had to get a b848
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> but still have that one
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> will certainly try it in my ubuntu
[06:49] <Pizbit> nomasteryoda: Install tvtime and it should work, movie time anyway
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> cool
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> i use tvtime on this suse box
[06:50] <Steve2_> Hi.. I donwnloaded ubuntu 'warty' live cd & it found some external drives, but I can't mount/open any of the folders ther. can soemone help out pls?
[06:50] <tolstoy> Damn!  the installer didn't set me up with my max res, and doesn't show it in the screen resolution applet.  Hm.
[06:51] <tolstoy> Now, if I can just remember what it was, I can add it to Xconfig.
[06:53] <tolstoy> What's next down from 1600x1200?
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> yea...sometimes that info is very difficult to find
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> 1280x1024?
[06:53] <tolstoy> Nah, something with 1400 in it.  1480xsomething. Hm.
[06:55] <tolstoy> Hah!  Some specs say 1600x1200@85Hz.  But I saw only it at 75Hz, which is headache inducing.
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> eya
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:56] <jason_> is rythembox messed up for anyone else
[06:56] <jason_> ?
[06:56] <jason_> as far as trying to add songs to your library
[06:58] <elljay> holy crikies, the first debian based distro i like!  good show
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> elljay: my thoughts exactly
[07:02] <Gmail> elljay: but i guess we all like debian
[07:02] <nomasteryoda> =)
[07:02] <Gmail> because debian isnt debian based it is debian
[07:02] <hectorvs> hey guys, how do i get shadows beneath the windows and menus?
[07:03] <hectorvs> hmm
[07:04] <tolstoy> Anyone know the resolution between 1280x1024 and 1600x1200?
[07:04] <nanotech> hi, i'm a bit new to ubuntu, and linux and was wondering if someone could help me out on instaling software basics
[07:04] <psyklops> 1280x1024 isn't a normal res... is it?
[07:04] <tolstoy> psyklops, isn't that only available with the latest x.org release?
[07:04] <psyklops> 1280x960 is the traditional proportions
[07:04] <tolstoy> psyklops, yes, it is.
[07:05] <tolstoy> er, i mean the 1024 version. i mean, i see dozens of monitors set that way a day. crts, anyway.
[07:05] <nanotech> ok. a .tar file is...a "tar ball" compressed archive?
[07:05] <nevyn> it's not 4:3 ratio
[07:05] <psyklops> yeah... its widely used but not "normal" (whatever you'd call it, "Traditional" maybe?)
[07:06] <hectorvs> hmm... so how does one go about getting shadows under the windows?
[07:06] <nevyn> 1280x960 is what I used to run my dekstop at.
[07:07] <psyklops> hmm
[07:07] <nanotech> would i use the gunzip command un unpackage  a .tar file?
[07:07] <cuga> hey anybody have trouble with tvtime?
[07:07] <cuga> i can't control volume in the application :S
[07:07] <nanotech> if so, where do the conects extract to by default?
[07:07] <tolstoy> well, this ancient version of XFree didn't detect anything higher for my monitor other than the "recommended" resolution.
[07:07] <nanotech> contents
[07:07] <psyklops> they get extacted to current directory
[07:08] <psyklops> gunzip = gz
[07:08] <psyklops> not tar
[07:08] <nanotech> ah
[07:08] <nanotech> so how do i unpackage a tar file?
[07:08] <psyklops> "tar" :P
[07:08] <nanotech> :P
[07:08] <tolstoy> nanotech, if you're in nautilus, you can right click and "Extract to here".
[07:09] <nanotech> i know...but i want to learn the command line first
[07:09] <nanotech> well, second
[07:09] <tolstoy> oh! ;)
[07:09] <psyklops> very good idea
[07:09] <psyklops> ...
[07:09] <tolstoy> tar xvzf whatever.tgz
[07:09] <psyklops> I learned the hard way, because I could never get X working unless it was in the distro by default
[07:10] <nanotech> does tar unpack a .gz file?
[07:10] <tolstoy> Ah!  1400x1050.
[07:10] <arun--> hello all, how to check at what cpu speed is my laptop running now
[07:11] <tolstoy> noneus, gunzip will do that. but if it's a gzipped tar file, then tar can handle it.
[07:11] <cuga> cat /proc/cpuinfo is where i'd look
[07:11] <rvirani> how do I install fluxbox with synaptic
[07:11] <rvirani> its not there
[07:11] <rvirani> I tried a search..
[07:12] <psyklops> it might be in universe
[07:12] <psyklops> in fact I'm pretty sure of that...
[07:12] <rvirani> I added universe
[07:13] <psyklops> oh...
[07:13] <cuga> rvirani, its there, are you sure you apt-get update after uncommenting the universe lines?
[07:13] <rvirani> there is a fluxconf
[07:14] <rvirani> but no fluxbox
[07:14] <rvirani> cuga, yeah people told me to use synaptic but I did add the two universe...
[07:14] <cuga> try on cml , apt-cache search fluxbox
[07:14] <arun--> cpuinfo always says 598.201. but the model name is Intel.....pentium M .... 1600MHz
[07:14] <cuga> arun--, prolly means its stepping down
[07:15] <rvirani> cml?
[07:15] <cuga> rvirani, command line
[07:15] <cuga> terminal
[07:15] <rvirani> no fluxbox
[07:15] <cuga> do apt-get update
[07:15] <rvirani> yeah I like the command line better but they said synaptic, I didnt know synaptic made calls to apt
[07:15] <arun--> cuga: so if i do something cpu intensive, then it should go above that 598.201 ?
[07:15] <adoyretsamon> what is the first line of '/etc/apt/sources.list
[07:15] <rvirani> cuga, I did
[07:15] <adoyretsamon> or rather by default after an install
[07:16] <cuga> arun--, i'm not an intel speedstep guy so im not sure, but I would assume it would, try compiling a kernel see what it does
[07:16] <rvirani> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview powerpc Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted
[07:16] <arun--> cuga: thank you
[07:16] <adoyretsamon> cool
[07:16] <rvirani> thats the first line
[07:16] <adoyretsamon> thanks
[07:16] <psyklops> do something cpu intensive and checking again
[07:16] <psyklops> (my grammar is being good not)
[07:16] <rvirani> so anyways
[07:16] <rvirani> cuga, what do you recommend
[07:17] <cuga> rvirani, i'd take out those cdrom locations for starters
[07:17] <adoyretsamon> rvirani, what type of Mac are you using?
[07:17] <arun--> cuga: just starting the synaptic raised that figure to 1196.402 :)  thank you again
[07:17] <cuga> nice
[07:17] <rvirani> adoyretsamon, ibook
[07:17] <adoyretsamon> cool
[07:17] <rvirani> 12.1 1ghz
[07:18] <adoyretsamon> i have old powerbook
[07:18] <adoyretsamon> 200mhz
[07:18] <cuga> i'd love an ibook
[07:18] <rvirani> with ubuntu I cant get my right click to map
[07:18] <adoyretsamon> 48mb ram
[07:18] <nanotech> ok, i'm getting these "install recursive" errors...when i run make and make install
[07:18] <rvirani> it doesnt work
[07:18] <rvirani> cuga, its pretty nice
[07:18] <adoyretsamon> running yellowdog
[07:18] <rvirani> I also have a dell laptop
[07:18] <adoyretsamon> pos
[07:18] <Dragoon|Matt> will Wine work on Ubuntu?
[07:18] <adoyretsamon> i use a dell lt too
[07:18] <nanotech> ir run them with the sudo command...so that allieviates all the permissions probs
[07:18] <rvirani> yellow dog heh, I stay away from anything that is rpm based.
[07:18] <rvirani> cuga, soo .... fluxbox....
[07:19] <rvirani> my dell is three times faster than my ibook :D
[07:19] <tolstoy> rpm based isn't that bad, now that they have apt-get, or yum.
[07:19] <cuga> rvirani, put these in your sources.list
[07:19] <adoyretsamon> rvirani, it was the only Linux i could get to work in under 48mb
[07:19] <cuga> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[07:19] <cuga> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[07:19] <rvirani> I got the ibook cause of the ... form factor
[07:19] <cuga> and also
[07:19] <arun--> anybody got their ati mobility radeon 7500 work with the binay fglrx driver? currently my card runs on the radeon driver provided by xfree86 and it supports 3 d well, (tux racer runs fine)
[07:19] <rvirani> adoyretsamon, ubuntu wont isntall
[07:19] <adoyretsamon> have not had time to try
[07:19] <rvirani> adoyretsamon, you could probably do gentoo
[07:19] <adoyretsamon> but certainly will
[07:19] <cuga>  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[07:19] <cuga>  deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[07:19] <adoyretsamon> yea
[07:19] <cuga> and for security updates, add
[07:19] <adoyretsamon> system is sloooooowwww
[07:19] <cuga> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[07:19] <cuga> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[07:20] <cuga> if you dont already have em all
[07:20] <cuga> and comment out the cdrom lines
[07:20] <rvirani> ccug thanks dude
[07:20] <nanotech> can someone plz help? what are these install recursive errors when i try to run make install?
[07:20] <rvirani> cuga, still nothing
[07:21] <rvirani> oh
[07:21] <rvirani> is that a new line?
[07:21] <rvirani> cuga, can you just pm me
[07:21] <rvirani> or email me the file
[07:21] <rvirani> thanx cuga
[07:21] <nanotech> i serious about learning  how to install shit on linux...but i'm in the dark...
[07:22] <Dragoon|Matt> Anyone know if Wine will work with Ubuntu?
[07:22] <adoyretsamon> nanotech, using synaptic would be easy for you
[07:22] <nanotech> it's not in the universe
[07:22] <nanotech> and i don't want to rely on it
[07:23] <elljay> cuga; what's the debian apt source for things like xine , etc?
[07:23] <elljay> anyone know if i'm running in amd64 mode if 32bit binaries will function?
[07:24] <nevyn> elljay: executables yes.. kernel modules no.
[07:24] <kuru> ok, soo... i'm on debian unstable. Going to ubuntu would be going back, not ahead, right?
[07:24] <cuga> elljay, if you just uncomment the 2 lines that are for universe, you have access to the unstable snapshot of debian when warty was released, im sure it'll have what you looking for
[07:24] <kuru> in terms of versions of packages, etc.
[07:25] <nanotech> what does "make[3] : *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop." mean?
[07:25] <arun--> elljay: synaptix is much easier
[07:25] <arun--> try it
[07:25] <kuru> and btw, ubuntu.. i am very impressed.
[07:25] <kuru> finally, someone figured out what to do with the raw power of debian.
[07:25] <arun--> ubuntu is great, except for the radeon drivers, but that is not ubuntus fault
[07:26] <kuru> well, my experience is simple.
[07:26] <cuga> arun--, I got the ati drivers workign fine
[07:26] <cuga> getting pretty good framerate
[07:26] <kuru> I had winxp on the reception's desk
[07:26] <arun--> cuga: what is your card model?
[07:26] <cuga> 9600XT
[07:26] <adoyretsamon> my ati with 64mb works great
[07:26] <kuru> i said, screw this, and burned the ubuntu iso
[07:26] <kuru> installed.
[07:26] <adoyretsamon> i can play tuxracer fine
[07:26] <adoyretsamon> =)
[07:27] <kuru> got gnome running, got the hp deskjet 3350 working, on the network. updated security updates.
[07:27] <arun--> cuga: anyidea about mobility 7500? i tried but when i did the modrpobe fglrx, it complained cannot load, no such device or something like it
[07:27] <kuru> downloaded some extra fonts for the guy sitting there reading his news in malayalam
[07:27] <kuru> done.
[07:27] <kuru> didn't really have to do anything
[07:27] <cuga> arun--, thought the 7500's were supported by the kernel drivers now ? i might be mistaken
[07:28] <arun--> yes it is, the radeon drivers,
[07:28] <cuga> have you tryed thos? or are you just trying the official ati's?
[07:28] <arun--> cuga: but the problem is the GPU is always running at full power, so even if i open a couple of browsers, the fan starts, cos the GPU runs at full power
[07:29] <LucidVisions> kuru: ive been using deb/unstable for the past 2 years,and im almost done downloading ubuntu,im gonna install in a while and im already drooling
[07:29] <LucidVisions> what made you switch?
[07:30] <cuga> my tuxracer has no sound ?!!, says no available audio device but all other apps are using sound fine... hrmmm
[07:31] <arun--> cuga: i am currently running under radeonfb.ko module without much problems, except it runs in full throttle and my fan is constatnly running, i thought if i can switch to the fglrx driver to test the performance
[07:31] <arun--> cuga: and test the fan
[07:32] <cuga> arun--, ahh makes sense
[07:32] <cuga> arun--, yeah im definatly going nvidia next vid card
[07:33] <arun--> cuga: the ati drivers are ok for windows, but totally sux in linux, may get better, but ati doesnt support the open source world much i guess
[07:33] <arun--> cuga: but i also read somewhere that the Xorg server has better support for ati cards, i am not sure,
[07:34] <arun--> cuga: i am not an expert to install xorg and switch
[07:34] <cuga> arun--, well they made a statement that they are pushing their linux driver efforts to the limit now, they wanna get better drivers, i expect by start of next year they'll have a solid set out
[07:34] <arun--> cuga: may be i will wait untill ubuntu releases the next oficial version for xorg and may be a mini howto to switch from xfree :)
[07:35] <cuga> well next release will be built on xorg from what I understand so won't be hard at all ;)
[07:35] <arun--> cuga: hopefully they do :) i just the thinkpad 10 months ago, i dont want to switch to another lappy because of the video card
[07:36] <cuga> arun--, yeah, would suck bigtime
[07:37] <rvirani> Anyone know how to get showkeys to return a number instead of hex, I need to keymap my second and third mouse buttons to the keyboard
[07:38] <rvirani> bbias
[07:38] <rvirani> hold replies pls
[07:41] <cuga> anybody know how i can get a version of mplayer that will run on mplayer?
[07:42] <cuga> err i mean play on ubuntu
[07:42] <cuga> ones for sid now have alot of deps not in warty
[07:43] <elljay> doh my a64 ubuntu install keeps freezing
[07:43] <elljay> while i'm listening to audio
[07:43] <elljay> stupid bleeding edge software
[07:43] <elljay> i blame alsa ! ;)
[07:54] <Erix> hi
[07:54] <tolstoy> time and date settings says to "enable ntp", but doesn't say how.
[07:55] <cuga> Hey, weird thing going on with my alsa, I have no /dev/mixer ... seems odd, apps like mplayer spit out warnings about it not being there all the time, what installs dev/mixer?
[07:56] <tolstoy> Is there something in particular I have to install for the applet to enable NTP support?
[07:56] <tolstoy> ntpdate is there, but the applet doesn't seem to recognize it.
[07:56] <aarnem> Hi all.
[07:57] <Dragoon|Matt> Anyone know anything about installing WINE on ubuntu?
[07:58] <thoreauputic> tolstoy, try sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart
[07:58] <arun--> cuga: i dont think all sound cards support "mixer"
[07:58] <cuga> arun--, it was their when i was on deb
[07:58] <thoreauputic> tolstoy, and do you have default ntpdate servers set up?
[07:58] <cuga> arun--, using same kernel config as when i was on deb
[07:58] <tolstoy> thoreauputic, it says "synchronizing", but I still can't click the checkbox in the applet.
[07:59] <tolstoy> thoreauputic, I've just got "ntp" and "ntpdate" installed.  Not, say, "ntp-simple".
[07:59] <arun--> cuga: when you do a lsmod do you see this snd_mixer_oss
[08:00] <thoreauputic> tolstoy, hmm - I don't really know then - I just use ntpdate from a terminal without the daemon, and alias it to "t" (lazy I guess)
[08:00] <cuga> arun--, yep
[08:00] <tolstoy> thoreauputic, and on my laptop, I've got ntp-simple, and ntp-server, which was a flail for the first time this didn't work.  Works on the laptop now, though.
[08:01] <aarnem> I upgraded from debian Woody to ubuntu yesterday. Most of things worked, but i have some package problem with hal. I get following error during all kind of package manipulations.  Setting up hal (0.2.98-1ubuntu9) ...
[08:01] <aarnem>  * Restarting system message bus...
[08:01] <aarnem> run-parts: unrecognized option `-a'
[08:01] <aarnem> Try `run-parts --help' for more information.
[08:01] <aarnem> invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus-1, action "restart" failed.
[08:01] <tolstoy> thoreauputic, Ah. Don't set your gnome-panel clock to do it for you (ie, even lazier)!
[08:01] <aarnem> dpkg: error processing hal (--configure):
[08:01] <aarnem>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[08:01] <aarnem> Can you help me out with that?
[08:01] <thoreauputic> tolstoy, you might need to specify some IPs for it to look for? Public ntp servers?
[08:01] <tolstoy> thoreauputic, that's what you do *after* to click the synchronize checkbox.  Do you have it there on your panel?
[08:02] <thoreauputic> tolstoy, I'm on debian and using fluxbox :/
[08:02] <tolstoy> ah
[08:02] <thoreauputic> sorry
[08:02] <cuga> i have /dev/mixer now and the permissons are right on it, but when apps try and use it, they spit out this
[08:02] <cuga> ALSA lib control.c:654:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL /dev/mixer 89%
[08:02] <cuga> alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: No such file or directory
[08:02] <arun--> cuga: check the permisions on /dev/mixer
[08:03] <cuga> arun--, i get 777 to test, same thing
[08:03] <cuga> get =gave
[08:04] <tolstoy> thoreauputic, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1418
[08:05] <thoreauputic> tolstoy, taking forever to  load here
[08:06] <stuNNed> how do i list contenets of an installed .deb?
[08:06] <tolstoy> well, in a nutshell, the developers decided there should be no listeners by default. You have to install ntp-simple.
[08:07] <tolstoy> dpkg -c <file>, I think.
[08:07] <thoreauputic> tolstoy, I see
[08:07] <tolstoy> stuNNed, or do you mean one that's already installed?
[08:07] <stuNNed> tolstoy, yes
[08:07] <cuga> ahh my problem is a bug in mplayer from what i gather googling, fixed in cvs
[08:08] <tolstoy> stuNNed, hm. Maybe dpkg -L <deb-name>
[08:08] <cuga> hrmm... i have no /dev/dsp either...
[08:09] <tolstoy> stuNNed, another useful one: given a file on your system, which package does it belong to?  dpkg -S /path/to/file
[08:10] <stuNNed> tolstoy, ok, appreciate it
[08:10] <cuga> there we go
[08:10] <cuga> forgot to modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[08:14] <cuga> so far im liking ubuntu
[08:15] <cuga> what is the purpose of /srv thos?
[08:15] <mburns> Ubuntu has a much cleaner feel to it. Good step in the way of desktop linux.
[08:15] <mburns> How are things like plug-and-play and automounting usb keys and cameras and other peripherals?
[08:16] <Gmail> i am not going to get over how stupid this guy is even in a few years!!!!
[08:16] <Gmail> "Source based distro historically always = more packages because there is too much competition between binary distros. There is simply no standard Linux binary package. As a result, source based distros like Gentoo update their repos sooner because it doesn't require as much work. Source is source."
[08:16] <cuga> haha
[08:16] <Gmail> that guy must of been the biggest moron which said that
[08:16] <mburns> that... doesn't make.... my head hurts.
[08:16] <Gmail> mburns: my head hurts too
[08:17] <Gmail> http://funroll-loops.org/
[08:17] <mburns> some people should just be banned from person-to-person communication.
[08:18] <tolstoy> interesting.  dragging to the "trash applet" in hoary doesn't work.
[08:19] <jacob> Isn't there a plugin for the "msmpeg" in Totem?
[08:19] <mburns> are there patches for the CLI(rm, etc) to use the trash bin the same way the GUI does?
[08:20] <Gmail> ROTFL
[08:20] <Gmail> "Quite simply: yes. Yes Debian, you are losing people to Gentoo. But... Why is this happening? Because you are old, and your stable tree is older than me. We have Portage, we have a source compilation unstable version. We are the cutting edge, and Debian has to realize this. There is a hierarchery of distributions, and right now Gentoo is at the top. There will always be Slackware, because it's always been there. Debian will remain in second place to the l
[08:20] <Gmail> eading distro, and they'll always be wondering: "Why? Why are we losing users to (insert distro name here)?" Because you don't innovate. Sure, you're good. But theres usually something better. Live with it."
[08:21] <jdub> dudes
[08:21] <jdub> off-topic stuff elsewhere please
[08:21] <Gmail> debian is losing people to ubuntu so is: gentoo, fedora, winblows, manbrake..... sorry
[08:21] <jason_> errr
[08:21] <Gmail> yes?
[08:21] <jason_> why doesn't ubuntu or debian use .xinitrc
[08:21] <jason_> files
[08:22] <Rene_S> Its all Linux so what does it matter ?
[08:22] <mburns> .xinitrc ?
[08:22] <thoreauputic> jason_: use .xsession
[08:22] <jason_> kk
[08:22] <jason_> ty
[08:22] <jdub> jason_: depends on which method you're using to start X, try .xinitrc or .xsession (i generally symlinked back when I used those)
[08:22] <mburns> I want to see an ncurses based distro.
[08:23] <jason_> there is nothing in my .xsession
[08:23] <jason_> in my home dir
[08:23] <mburns> or a way to boot into an ncurses text user interface similar to a Gnome-like GUI
[08:23] <jason_> I want to add in the follow
[08:23] <thoreauputic> jason_: no, you have to make it yourself, if that's how you startx
[08:23] <jason_> /usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5"
[08:24] <Dragoon|Matt> how do I get wine on ubuntu?  or will it even work?
[08:24] <jason_> add the universe repository
[08:24] <jason_> download it via apt
[08:24] <Dragoon|Matt> how do I add the universe repository? new to linux
[08:24] <iz> reomve the # in the sources.list
[08:25] <jason_> it will tell you what to do in the sources.list file in /etc/apt/
[08:25] <iz> sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:25] <jason_> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:25] <iz> save with :wq
[08:25] <jason_> or what he said
[08:25] <jason_> nano is easier
[08:26] <tolstoy> Dragoon|Matt, Or use synaptic and find the "repositories" tab.
[08:26] <thoreauputic> iz: he's new to linux - vi will intimidate him
[08:26] <iz> jason_, :)
[08:26] <iz> thoreauputic, yup your right
[08:27] <tolstoy> Interesting. I copied my old .evolution to the new install, and evolution still prompts me for account info. Hm.
[08:28] <tolstoy> And dies after i select my time zone.
[08:30] <Gmail> ohhh this is a must and the last one
[08:30] <Gmail> "I know how much everyone here loves optimized software. This is why I was surprised to read today on the GNOME mailing list that Ubuntu is taking advantage of some optimization opportunities that I think Gentoo is missing out on."
[08:31] <stuNNed> tolstoy, `apt-get remove evolution && apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird` ? ;)
[08:32] <thoreauputic> Gmail:  gentoosmite me
[08:32] <thoreauputic> * dpkg spends 6 weeks recompiling thoreauputic, and when it's all done, thoreauputic runs 0.4% faster than previously
[08:32] <tolstoy> stuNNed, well, that's one solution. but I like the calender.  Weird that it doesn't work.  Works on my work workstation.
[08:33] <Gmail> thoreauputic: but from run daily i run 75% faster so in your face
[08:33] <Gmail> *thats 75% faster daily from the day before
[08:34] <stuNNed> tolstoy, tried mozilla sunbird calendaring project?  quite new but i hear has promise
[08:35] <tolstoy> stuNNed, yeap, tried it.
[08:35] <stuNNed> tolstoy, how'd it go?
[08:35] <tolstoy> I like that I can shut down evo, and STILL be reminded of my appts.
[08:35] <tolstoy> Well, it worked fine, I guess.  I loaded it up on ICS stuff from the web. Fun.
[08:36] <sertmann> quick question to be on the safe side; if i've compiled a custom kernel-package (to include bootsplash & intify) and made a deb package with "make-kpkg buildpackage -rev Custom.1 kernel_image" will it overwrite the old one if/when i install it?
[08:37] <sertmann> both new and old are 2.6.8.1
[08:41] <Rachet> hi
[08:41] <elmaya> any1 knows why xmms never remembers my skin selection ?
[08:42] <Gmail> look gentoo new home page: http://www.gentoo.org/images/wwwcontest/contest1_front.png and to think they care about speed
[08:42] <Rachet> i downloaded xvid, but how do i install it ? cant find it on synaptic
[08:42] <Rachet> some help me find it =)
[08:42] <jdub> Gmail: dude, no more. off-topic stuff elsewhere.
[08:43] <Gmail> with all that flash crap that site will take 10min to render in a gentoo-firefox
[08:43] <Gmail> sorry
[08:43] <Rachet> help me please ?
[08:43] <Rachet> its just  a little thing
[08:43] <thoreauputic> Gmail: are you obsessive at all  ? ;)
[08:44] <Rachet> hi some one ?
[08:44] <magneto> gmail - i just left gentoo for ubuntu  but i think youre exaggerating
[08:44] <magneto> hey rachet
[08:44] <cuga> Rachet, have you tryed downloading w32codecs?
[08:44] <Rachet> but its xvid for linux i think
[08:45] <magneto> rachet - go to /etc/apt/sources.list and enable universe
[08:45] <Rachet> i i got universe but i can do it
[08:46] <tolstoy> don't you have to add another repo to get the w32codecs?  It's on the wiki somewhere.
[08:46] <magneto> also try aptget.org
[08:46] <cuga> nope w32codecs are in universal
[08:46] <cuga> i just got them like 10 minutes ago
[08:46] <Rachet> how do i enable universal ?
[08:47] <cuga> err maybe not , i had already added a source... disregard what i said, it prolly came from other source
[08:47] <tolstoy> hm. when I apt-cache search w32codecs: nothing.
[08:47] <tolstoy> yeah.
[08:47] <magneto> add universal to the ubuntu.org lines in sources.list
[08:47] <tolstoy> Rachet, you can do it in synaptic.  Just click the checkbox from the repostories menu.
[08:48] <Rachet> kk tell me
[08:48] <stuNNed> magneto, hi, think it's 'universe', no?
[08:48] <magneto> my bad
[08:49] <Rachet> now i got universe
[08:49] <stuNNed> i.e. something like: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[08:49] <Rachet> where is xvid
[08:49] <jason_> you need w32codecs
[08:49] <Rachet> where is that ?
[08:49] <magneto> rachet- in synaptics - go to the settings menu
[08:49] <jason_> you need an extra repository
[08:49] <Gmail> thoreauputic: hu? magneto: exaggerating?
[08:50] <jason_> the address is in the wiki
[08:50] <Rachet> Magneto : its done i got universe
[08:50] <jason_> no
[08:50] <jason_> it isnt in universe
[08:50] <Rachet> i didnt say that
[08:50] <Rachet> i just said that i got it
[08:50] <stuNNed> multiverse ?
[08:51] <jason_> no you need the url
[08:51] <jason_> sec Ill get it
[08:51] <tolstoy> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:51] <magneto> ok rachet:  go here http://www1.apt-get.org/index.php?query=w32&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386
[08:52] <magneto> rachet: you can add this to your sources list        deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[08:52] <stuNNed> isn't alot of that stuff now in 'multiverse' repo?
[08:53] <cuga> magneto, unstable be better since unstable is what ubuntu is based on
[08:53] <Rachet> i add this : ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/   ??
[08:54] <magneto> cuga - the codecs are probably the same - no?
[08:54] <cuga> probably, but never know
[08:54] <cuga> nerim.net has unstable branch too so couldn't hurt
[08:54] <Rachet> ok thn ?
[08:55] <magneto> rachet: then   apt-get install w32codecs
[08:56] <Rachet> i dont have w32codecs
[08:56] <Xethorn> hi
[08:58] <cenerentola> ciao
[08:59] <cenerentola> i've got a problem with grub...
[08:59] <Nebu> Whenever I open a file with totem movie player, it crashes. Can anyone help me with this?
[08:59] <Xethorn> explain
[08:59] <cenerentola> it doesnt recognize one distribution...
[08:59] <michael315> what r u opening
[08:59] <Nebu> I've tried mp3s, mpgs, WMV. They all cause it to crash.
[09:00] <Nebu> I tried opening the same mp3 with XMMS and it works fine there. I don't have a different movie player to test the other files with.
[09:00] <cenerentola> xethorn: ive got one warty on /dev/hda7 [the ones not recognized]  and an hoary on /hda8
[09:01] <Xethorn> strange ...
[09:01] <cenerentola> the hoary has got is /boot partition... the warty doesnt
[09:02] <cenerentola> moreover the hoary now is not collaborating: gdm doesnt work
[09:02] <tolstoy> man, evolution is totally messed up in hoary.
[09:02] <michael315> Nebu: I see the prob. Tried the same ones with xine, they play fine. I have the win32 codecs installed also. Maybe try another?
[09:03] <Nebu> Michael: I didn't understand. You want me to try another what?
[09:03] <cenerentola> and it keeps trying to run it so its a never ending loop of x-starting-gdm crashing/x-crashing/x-restarting
[09:04] <cenerentola> how can i stop the x server?
[09:04] <cenerentola> xethorn: what should i use in the grub menu.lst
[09:05] <cenerentola> and how about stopping the x server?
[09:07] <Xethorn> @Nebu : tried > apt-get install totem-xine
[09:08] <Nebu> Xethorn: I get an error message (which I will copy in a moment)
[09:08] <Nebu> Xethorn: Package totem-xine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:08] <Nebu> Xethorn: This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:08] <Nebu> is only available from another source
[09:08] <Xethorn> strange
[09:08] <Xethorn> hum
[09:09] <michael315> Is universe enabled in your sources?
[09:09] <Nebu> Michael: I don't know how to find out.
[09:09] <Xethorn> if they are any others solutions, read that http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-130623.html and try to compile mplayer
[09:10] <iz> Nebu, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:10] <iz> and remove the #
[09:10] <michael315> then run apt-get update & then try for xine xine-ui
[09:10] <iz> deFrysk, morguh
[09:11] <Nebu> michael: I'd type "apt-get install xine xine-ui"?
[09:11] <deFrysk> mogh
[09:12] <cenerentola> iz: can you help me with grub
[09:12] <cenerentola> defrysk: and you?
[09:13] <iz> cenerentola, whats the problem?
[09:13] <cenerentola> ive installed hoary and now ivent got the other warty grub's entry anymore
[09:14] <cenerentola> im trying to correct grub0s menu.lst by hand but it says image not found... or sth like that
[09:14] <iz> how do you do that?
[09:14] <cenerentola> from the shell...
[09:14] <iz> by editing menu.lst?
[09:14] <cenerentola> yes
[09:14] <cenerentola> mind that hoary's x server's not working
[09:14] <iz> how many hd's?
[09:14] <cenerentola> 1
[09:15] <iz> huh
[09:15] <michael315> Nebu: yes
[09:15] <iz> and it will not boot?
[09:15] <cenerentola> tell me the right string i should use...
[09:15] <Nebu> When I try to install totem-xine, it says it has to remove ubuntu-desktop as part of the process. That sort of sounds dangerous to me...
[09:15] <cenerentola> warty's on hda7
[09:15] <deFrysk> Nebu, its not afaIk
[09:15] <cenerentola> hoary's on hda8 and its boot should be on hda9
[09:15] <Pizbit> Nebu: It's fine
[09:16] <cenerentola> pizbit: thk god ure here..
[09:16] <Pizbit> Which one?
[09:16] <cenerentola> iz: any clue?
[09:16] <iz> moment
[09:16] <cenerentola> roman?
[09:16] <cenerentola> zeus?
[09:16] <iz> i386?
[09:16] <michael315> Its just a small package, I have done that, no damage
[09:16] <cenerentola> iz: yes
[09:17] <dougsk> what is being used for startup to get the pretty [ok]  messages?
[09:17] <iz> im running the amd64 version
[09:17] <cenerentola> the hd handling should be quite the same
[09:17] <iz> sure
[09:18] <iz> can your paste your menu.lst in a private msg
[09:18] <cenerentola> no.. im not on that computer
[09:18] <iz> :)
[09:18] <cenerentola> i told you that the gui's not working
[09:19] <iz> use mcedit
[09:19] <cenerentola> iz: if you tell how can i stop the xserver from trying to start ill
[09:19] <iz> apt-get install mc
[09:19] <iz> kill gdm
[09:19] <tolstoy> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.  this evolution bomb is BAD BAD BAD! ;--)
[09:19] <iz> alt f2
[09:19] <iz> whgen you in a shell then ps -A
[09:19] <iz> and kill gdm
[09:19] <cenerentola> yeah...
[09:20] <cenerentola> if ill be put in a shell...
[09:20] <cenerentola> alt f3
[09:21] <cenerentola> ...alt f2 doesnt work
[09:21] <iz> sorry
[09:21] <dougsk> cenerentola, I think it's missing a ctrl
[09:21] <iz> ctrl alt f2
[09:22] <Pizbit> tolstoy: Evolution bomb?
[09:22] <Nebu> Okay, totem isn't crashing anymore, but it's just displaying a blue screen instead of the video image. Where can I go for some codecs?
[09:23] <Pizbit> Nebu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:23] <deFrysk> Nebu, sometimes shutting totem down and restarting it helps
[09:23] <Pizbit> Skip down to the questionable packages part
[09:23] <tolstoy> Pizbit, i updated to hoary *before* starting evo for the first time, now I can't get past account set up, even when I copy .evolution from my old installation.
[09:23] <Pizbit> Ah
[09:23] <Pizbit> Silly people trying hoary so soon
[09:24] <deFrysk> Pizbit, hoary runs fine here ;)
[09:24] <Pizbit> deFrysk: The amount of people with problems, aye aye aye:)
[09:24] <tolstoy> Well, I'm running it on another machine and it works.
[09:24] <tolstoy> Except on that machine, I already had a working evolution with warty.
[09:25] <Xethorn> somebody have ever try gdesklets under ubuntu ?
[09:25] <cenerentola> xethorn: they work greatly
[09:26] <michael315> Nebu http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/codecs.html I usually download the "all"
[09:26] <Xethorn> it gives me an error <_<
[09:26] <Xethorn> did you compile or used the .deb ?
[09:26] <Xethorn> * by apt
[09:26] <Pizbit> apt-get
[09:27] <Xethorn> strange
[09:27] <Xethorn> you just put : apt-get install gdesklets ?
[09:27] <Pizbit> michael315: The restricted formats shows how to get the w32codecs package
[09:27] <Pizbit> Xethorn: Did you get the data package too?
[09:27] <linux_galore> ubuntu is getting there but its not perfect yet also they have daily iso releases so if you post a bug its usually fixed within a week
[09:27] <Pizbit> Xethorn: You know how they work right?
[09:27] <Xethorn> no :(
[09:28] <Xethorn> i installed it for the first time
[09:28] <Xethorn> and when i tried to start it
[09:28] <Xethorn> nothing happend
[09:28] <Xethorn> but i try again
[09:28] <cenerentola> iz:
[09:28] <cenerentola> im bacl
[09:29] <cenerentola> ...back
[09:29] <Xethorn> well
[09:29] <cenerentola> tell me what you want to hear
[09:29] <Xethorn> 09:27:25) Vinc' - /!\ Le dimanche je bosse /!\: enfin il est install, mais il demarre pas correctement
[09:29] <Xethorn> (09:27:31) Vinc' - /!\ Le dimanche je bosse /!\: faudra que je demande sur des forums
[09:29] <Pizbit> Xethorn: I'm pasting something into a link, I'll show ya
[09:29] <Xethorn> i'm not the one who have a prob with it
[09:29] <linux_galore> Ive got ubuntu working fine on my old P3 600 machine... makes me want to cry after I forked out for a new P4
[09:29] <Xethorn> thanks Pizbit
[09:30] <Pizbit> http://www.pastebin.com/115406
[09:30] <frederik> linux_galore: I'm impressed how "fast" it is on this PIII 500
[09:30] <frederik> linux_galore: I still don't really know if it's GNOME that got faster or ...
[09:30] <linux_galore> frederik: PIII 600  works fine  no lag really
[09:30] <Pizbit> Gnome has a bit
[09:30] <Xethorn> thanks :)
[09:31] <Xethorn> i try
[09:31] <Pizbit> Ahh, tv time:)
[09:31] <Pizbit> Xethorn: Makes sense now?
[09:31] <Xethorn> no
[09:31] <Xethorn> i'm go to :p
[09:31] <frederik> But Firefox is a problem
[09:31] <Pizbit> Xethorn: You have to add the .Display files first
[09:31] <frederik> Firefox is by far too slow
[09:31] <linux_galore> frederik: yeah Ive got a pile of PIII machines might put Ubuntu on them all and hand them to the staff
[09:31] <Pizbit> Or afterwards, but either way you gota add them before you see anything
[09:31] <Xethorn> ok
[09:31] <Pizbit> Read my links, anyway *gone*
[09:32] <frederik> I tried to built galeon using the webcore port from the tla archive, but it didn't work and I didn't feel like hacking around
[09:32] <linux_galore> anyone tried Ubuntu on a PII got a PII laptop
[09:33] <frederik> but the simple example browser worked fine
[09:33] <mdz> linux_galore: yes
[09:33] <frederik> linux_galore: I'd suppose memory would be more of a limit than CPU power?!
[09:34] <Nebu> Okay, it looks like movie playing works now. Thanks a lot!
[09:35] <frederik> linux_galore: I have 320 MB of RAM in this P3-box, but most PCs from that time (it's about five years old) will have about 128 MB
[09:35] <linux_galore> frederik: well I have 3 of the things two not working and the third one I fixed by swapping the keyboard over from one of the faulty units I have also swapped all the ram out from the other laptops and it now has 192mb
[09:36] <linux_galore> should be enough to try ubuntu
[09:37] <stuNNed> linux_galore, can always http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LowEndSystemSupport
[09:38] <linux_galore> lol @ 192mb being low end
[09:39] <linux_galore> all the drone machines we now buy at work are 512mb now..
[09:39] <magneto> frederik: i got firefox 1.0pre cuz 0.93 was crashing alot on me
[09:40] <linux_galore> gives 9 thumbs up out of 10 fore firefox
[09:40] <magneto> its fast - im p4 2ghz with 256mb ram
[09:41] <linux_galore> I out xfce4 on a P4 2.4ghz  funny to watch it load in 3 seconds
[09:41] <linux_galore> put*
[09:41] <magneto> if u want faster apt-get install links
[09:41] <magneto> linux_galore: try openbox lol
[09:41] <magneto> 1 second
[09:42] <magneto> i thought x crashed at first
[09:42] <magneto> but i right clicked and got a menu
[09:42] <frederik> magneto: hehe, links can't really compete with firefox ;)
[09:42] <linux_galore> I tried BB on a P3 1.1Ghz  boots to the desktop in a fraction of the time it takes to start X itself...its pretty funny all the apps work like they have a turbo on them
[09:42] <magneto> it sure can when u dont have a video card lol
[09:42] <lucas_> cenerentola: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst by hand and re-add the missing entry
[09:42] <linux_galore> BB = black box
[09:43] <frederik> magneto: I put quite some hope into that webcore porting effort. It still wouldn't give a browser for lowend systems, but at least I wouldn't think my net connection's to slow when using this computer
[09:43] <magneto> linux_galore - i just started with ubuntu and performance wise this beats the hell out of emerging openoffice for 14 hours etc gnome kde
[09:44] <magneto> frederik compile an old netscape or mozilla?
[09:44] <frederik> magneto: hehe, it's not >that< bad
[09:45] <linux_galore> magneto: yeah I tried building a custom version of OOo with kde widgets took me over 5 hours on a Dual Xeon 1.4Ghz..last time I will do that
[09:45] <frederik> magneto: old mozilla versions where even slower and an old netscape wouldn't render most pages right
[09:45] <linux_galore> Ive noticed mozilla has come a long way in the last 3 years
[09:45] <magneto> linux_galore: ive been using gentoo- my system had some bugs so during the install i hit some errors and changed to ubuntu
[09:46] <frederik> magneto: normally I was using elinks for viewing all the news pages etc I was visiting normally
[09:46] <frederik> magneto: the ubuntu installation here is pretty "fresh", maybe I should install elinks ....
[09:46] <magneto> frederik: hdparm? kernel? prelink?
[09:47] <linux_galore> I like the Ubuntu UI/Theme its very clean.......Im not even changing anything thats a first for me i usually change everything
[09:47] <tolstoy> Is there a way to install an earlier package using apt-get?
[09:47] <magneto> linux_galore: remember last time netscape stole IE marketshare?
[09:47] <frederik> magneto: yeah, I changed some settings with hdparm, but I didn't get to compile a new kernel yet and I forgot about using prelinking
[09:47] <frederik> magneto: which actually gave me some pretty good results on another machine, so I should really go with it, thanks
[09:47] <magneto> prelink mozilla should be lightning
[09:47] <linux_galore> magneto: sheeesh think I was still using Turbo Pascal
[09:47] <linux_galore> back then lol
[09:47] <magneto> and shouldnt take that long either
[09:48] <magneto> lol
[09:48] <magneto> 1996 1997
[09:48] <magneto> im gettin old
[09:48] <frederik> the hdparm settings after a fresh install were horrible
[09:48] <linux_galore> to be honest all I remember of 95-99 was damn it crashed reboot..........damn it crashed reboot
[09:49] <magneto> frederik- compiling drivers into your kernel and ck sources will speed up your system too
[09:49] <stuNNed> anyone tried icewm that ships with ubuntu?
[09:49] <magneto> lol
[09:49] <magneto> na stunned- i installed openbox but i hadnt got a chance to use it
[09:50] <stuNNed> magneto, wonder if they have the menus setup already
[09:50] <magneto> 95-99 i went from not knowing sh!t to working in IT
[09:50] <frederik> and I don't really understand why ubuntu does install a full blown MTA
[09:50] <magneto> stunned: probably not
[09:50] <magneto> maybe a default
[09:50] <linux_galore> Ive never liked icewm and i tried really hard to like it
[09:51] <stuNNed> sure is popular or gets alot of press, one or the two
[09:51] <magneto> i like openbox but i dig gnome and its so fast now i might stick with gnome2.8
[09:51] <linux_galore> frederik: average joe blow cant manage a full blown MTA
[09:51] <b_e_n_z> frederik, postfix is a replacement for the buggy sendmail
[09:52] <linux_galore> also evolution is going the way of becoming a full blown MTA with a UI
[09:52] <magneto> i think they do it for the internal mail usage for sudo etc
[09:52] <frederik> b_e_n_z: yeah, right, but why have any full MTA on a desktop-centric system?
[09:52] <magneto> evolution is the size of a few full blown things
[09:52] <linux_galore> lol
[09:52] <linux_galore> <-- uses mutt
[09:52] <frederik> linux_galore: me too
[09:52] <tolstoy> magneto, and it doesn't work in hoary! ;)
[09:53] <b_e_n_z> frederik, inheritance from debian?
[09:53] <Elwood> i have added a module in my kernel config..i need a full recompile or just a make modules?
[09:53] <magneto> exactly frederik - but ubuntu has an excuse - they are just beginning
[09:53] <linux_galore> mutt = allows you to do evil things to email mwahahah
[09:53] <frederik> b_e_n_z: yes, right, but I think that should really change
[09:53] <jdub> frederik: because when the system sends mail, it needs to go somewhere
[09:53] <magneto> elwood - you could add it to your system without changing the kernel
[09:54] <jdub> frederik: postfix is very minimal for a complete mta
[09:54] <jdub> the benefit of using a real mta is that you can scale up quickly, with full system integration
[09:54] <Elwood> magneto, just make modules and modules_install?
[09:55] <linux_galore> need an easy mta with good spamassin support with a friendly UI
[09:55] <frederik> jdub: 'k
[09:55] <magneto> elwood- you could copy the drivers and edit the file in etc/modules.conf or
[09:55] <jdub> linux_galore: which can be done very easily with postfix
[09:55] <linux_galore> jdub: sure can
[09:55] <frederik> jdub: I have no experience with postfix, exim's my MTA of choice, but postfix is pretty modular, isn't it?
[09:56] <Elwood> magneto,  is one of the modules of the kernel, it's not external
[09:56] <jdub> frederik: yes
[09:56] <magneto> elwood - you can make && make_modules
[09:56] <linux_galore> played with postfix but prefers exim
[09:56] <magneto> ok then jsut do ^^
[09:56] <magneto> make && make modules_install
[09:56] <Elwood> damn i need to recompile all the otheres
[09:57] <magneto> then copy /usr/src/linux/arch/yourarch/boot/bzImage to /boot and modify /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:57] <Elwood> magneto,  i know this..thanks
[09:58] <magneto> sorry
[09:58] <magneto> what driver is it
[09:58] <magneto> u sure u cant inject it
[09:58] <Elwood> magneto,  nsl.. the "problem" is that now i had to recompile winmodem and nvidia's drivers
[09:58] <Elwood> magneto,  just bornig :P
[09:58] <Elwood> magneto,  nls support
[09:59] <udo> hello, spamassassin sux, successrate is much to low .. how do i exchange it with spambayes???
[09:59] <magneto> lol - elwood: you should have seen me tryin to compile mplayer with my kernel dying with swap errors
[09:59] <magneto> i uninstalled installed gcc about 12 times
[10:00] <linux_galore> someone just posted this short cartoon to me its funny its about Linux in a good way -> http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/04oct/uf007211.gif
[10:00] <Elwood> magneto, welcom in da club !
[10:00] <linux_galore> lol
[10:01] <magneto> lol @ amanda
[10:01] <magneto> netbackup for paupers and nerds
[10:01] <magneto> lol
[10:01] <linux_galore> up there with putting Debian on a PA-RISC diskless terminal....wonder if I can get ubuntu on it lol
[10:01] <magneto> linux_galore=nerd ;)
[10:02] <magneto> 4am here talking about installing debian on risc boxes my life sucks lol
[10:02] <linux_galore> hey if your not losing hair because its stuffing up its not worth the hassle
[10:03] <magneto> elwood: you had mplayer issues too?
[10:03] <linux_galore> Ubuntu because sometime you just want to let your hair grow  lol
[10:03] <AlohaWolf> Ubuntu impressed me, im preparing right now to switch to it from Mandrake
[10:03] <magneto> lol
[10:03] <Elwood> magneto,  not yet
[10:03] <Elwood> AlohaWolf,  this is an happy news
[10:04] <linux_galore> Ubuntu used by 9 out of ten recovering Gentoo users
[10:04] <AlohaWolf> LOL
[10:04] <stuNNed> lol
[10:04] <Elwood> uahuaah
[10:04] <thoreauputic> haha @ linux_galore
[10:04] <magneto> elwood: oh ok  ubuntu didnt like my ck kernel and i discovered a swap bug that ck had
[10:04] <magneto> LOL linux_galore
[10:04] <Elwood> ck..i am using 2.6.8.1
[10:04] <magneto> et tu?
[10:05] <magneto> 2.6.8.1cko8
[10:05] <magneto> but now im using ubuntu sources
[10:05] <magneto> i couldnt compile mplayer using my other kernel
[10:06] <linux_galore> Ive well and truly given up with 2.6.8-come_on_work_you_*^%$ and gome with 2.6.9
[10:06] <linux_galore> gone
[10:06] <magneto> linux_galore: i was waiting for moxilla-firefox to compile along with openoffice and said hey i can install ubuntu- 30 minutes later i felt better
[10:06] <mojo_> hi there
[10:06] <mojo_> I need some help with 'ls' command
[10:07] <linux_galore> magneto:  Ubuntu because even geeks have a life    lol
[10:07] <mojo_> how to use 'ls' to list only filename, don't show any other info !
[10:07] <mojo_> ??
[10:07] <magneto> linux_galore: i never had issues until now- and the default ubuntu kernel killed my sound with irq issues so...........
[10:07] <neon> mojo_ : ls -la
[10:07] <magneto> mojo- ls
[10:07] <neon> if i remember
[10:07] <neon> lol ^^
[10:07] <mojo_> neon: -la also shows properties and other info
[10:07] <thoreauputic> mojo_: that's what ls does ??
[10:08] <mojo_> neon: I just want to show filename part
[10:08] <thoreauputic> ls by itself
[10:08] <mojo_> ls works with CLI but it dun work in ftp
[10:08] <mojo_> I want to ls all files in my FTP
[10:08] <Elwood> magneto,  from where?
[10:09] <mojo_> and export to a txt file
[10:09] <magneto> linux_galore: lol and why did u stop slacking? i got a bad vibe from drbob
[10:09] <mojo_> what 'ls' used in ftp to list only filename
[10:09] <magneto> mojo dir
[10:09] <AlohaWolf> linux_galore, Ubunto - Debian Made Easy!
[10:09] <thoreauputic> mojo_: try dir
[10:09] <AlohaWolf> o- u+
[10:09] <mojo_> not work with 'dir'
[10:09] <linux_galore> magneto: well I have a Intel 648 based mobo and 2.6.8 was having IO issues but 2.8.9 was fine
[10:09] <AlohaWolf> 2.8.9?
[10:10] <linux_galore> oops 2.6.9
[10:10] <linux_galore> heh heh made you blink
[10:10] <thoreauputic> linux_galore: can I have a peek at your futuristic kernel? ;)
[10:10] <magneto> linux_galore: i was in love with 2.6.8 until swap errors killed every app i ran lol
[10:10] <magneto> Elwood: ?
[10:10] <calc> linux_galore: intel, sure you don't mean SiS?
[10:10] <Elwood> magneto,  your spacial location in this world :)
[10:11] <linux_galore> thoreauputic: it has the "Ha ha bill your history" patch
[10:11] <linux_galore> calc: they do
[10:11] <stuNNed> lol
[10:11] <magneto> lol ohh atlanta
[10:11] <thoreauputic> linux_galore: indeed :D
[10:11] <magneto> hotlanta
[10:11] <magneto> atl
[10:11] <linux_galore> calc: its the 645 with a better FSB for the ram
[10:11] <magneto> the durty south
[10:11] <Elwood> magneto, good place?
[10:11] <calc> linux_galore: intel has no 6xx line
[10:11] <calc> linux_galore: you are talking about SiS :)
[10:12] <linux_galore> no got the wrong number series
[10:12] <calc> 845 and 848?
[10:12] <stuNNed> no yes yes no lol
[10:12] <linux_galore> hmm 845 sorry
[10:12] <calc> ah :)
[10:12] <magneto> no beach - very rainbow friendly everyone is from elsewhere  shi#$y drivers cheap housing low cost of living good economy
[10:13] <calc> yea 848 is a derivative of the 865 series
[10:13] <linux_galore> welcome to my world of lots of machines with different chipset numbers
[10:13] <magneto> i have 845 chipset too! wow so much in common
[10:13] <magneto> elwood: overall atlanta is kinda nice
[10:14] <linux_galore> Ive even got a machine at work with SiS650 in it too bugger thats were I must have got the memory tick
[10:14] <Elwood> magneto, :)
[10:14] <magneto> im from los angeles and lived in ny for 10 years too- this is the best of the 3
[10:14] <magneto> linux_galore: were u ever into slackkware?
[10:15] <linux_galore> magneto: I used Vector once thats about as close as I got
[10:15] <magneto> ohh
[10:15] <magneto> lol at aloha in the lbc
[10:16] <magneto> wow worldwide in here- ill trade u elwood lol
[10:16] <AlohaWolf> magneto, actually I live in the OC
[10:16] <Brooman> Chico, Cali in the house..w00t!
[10:16] <linux_galore> lives Bondi Beach
[10:16] <magneto> then i feel sorry for u alohawolf
[10:16] <magneto> :)
[10:16] <AlohaWolf> magneto, im less then a mile from long beach
[10:17] <magneto> then i resume feeling sorry for myself
[10:17] <Brooman> jdub?
[10:17] <magneto> chico? is that by pomona?
[10:17] <Brooman> 2 hours n. of sac
[10:18] <magneto> maybe im thinkin chino
[10:18] <AlohaWolf> got a question, whats the default first user number for a user under ubuntu is it 1000 like debian or 500 like all the RPM based Distros?
[10:18] <linux_galore> jdub Mr Gnome Release guy Mr I get paid for this isnt it amazing
[10:18] <jolg> 1000
[10:18] <linux_galore> heh heh
[10:18] <Brooman> lol
[10:19] <magneto> had to more passwd
[10:19] <magneto> lol
[10:19] <AlohaWolf> is there an RPM tool in apt? I need to install the ATi drivers
[10:19] <calc> alien
[10:19] <rbrad> AlohaWolf: you can chane it in /etc/login.defs
[10:19] <linux_galore> AlohaWolf: alien
[10:19] <calc> there are ati debs somewhere aiui though
[10:19] <magneto> aloha rpm2tar
[10:19] <magneto> ?
[10:20] <rbrad> AlohaWolf: s/chane/change/
[10:20] <Brooman> think they are called fglrx?
[10:20] <linux_galore> there is a rpm2deb app running around
[10:20] <Lathiat> its called alien
[10:20] <Lathiat> converts most packages
[10:20] <Elwood> brrr alien
[10:21] <linux_galore> Lathiat: I know alien but thats not the only app Ive seen thats does that
[10:21] <magneto> make menuconfig and make xconfig die on me despite having the apps installed they complain over
[10:21] <Lathiat> linux_galore: Yes but its one that does it so who cares and just use it?
[10:21] <magneto> finally
[10:21] <AlohaWolf> I need to install the ATi drivers so I can get Dual Heads going on my machine
[10:22] <magneto> what card aloha?
[10:22] <AlohaWolf> Radeon 9200
[10:22] <magneto> dual is sweet- i use it with my 7500 m7 in my laptop
[10:22] <AlohaWolf> its supported by the ATi drivers
[10:22] <Brooman> AlohaWolf: try the fglrx drivers..should be in apt
[10:23] <AlohaWolf> also, what version of X is it launching with 6.7 or 6.8?
[10:23] <magneto> yeah fglrxconfig will set it up too no hassle
[10:23] <Brooman> AlohaWolf: ati's drivers crap out on 6.8
[10:23] <magneto> 4.3
[10:23] <magneto> ohh that discussion
[10:23] <Brooman> AlohaWolf: they work ok for 6.7
[10:23] <magneto> 6.8
[10:23] <Elwood> AlohaWolf, and there are the faq in the wiki
[10:23] <magneto> 6.7 is ok
[10:24] <magneto> any of u using xorg in ubuntu?
[10:24] <AlohaWolf> thats what I was asking does ubuntu use xorg or 4.3.*
[10:24] <Elwood> magneto,  i am waiting the release of deb but i used on my sid
[10:24] <Brooman> heh..im a gentoo guy offering support in ubuntu..whats the world coming to?
[10:25] <magneto> 4.3
[10:25] <AlohaWolf> coolies
[10:25] <magneto> thats what i thouht u were askin aloha
[10:25] <stuNNed> is there a way for apt-get to tell me what repo's a package is coming from?
[10:25] <magneto> brooman - im kinda the same
[10:26] <magneto> but i have left gentoo the compile time is not worth the trouble anymore
[10:26] <magneto> the gain is negligible
[10:27] <stuNNed> magneto, on a server with not that many packages seems to work out okay
[10:27] <stuNNed> x86 of course
[10:27] <thoreauputic> stuNNed: apt-cache policy <package>
[10:27] <stuNNed> thoreauputic, appreciated.
[10:27] <thoreauputic> np
[10:27] <magneto> yeah stunned- if u dont use x or big apps yeah but on your laptop?
[10:27] <Brooman> magneto: im just plain used to gentoo now..would be hard to convert lol
[10:27] <stuNNed> magneto, on laptop gentoo es deletion, ubuntu es installtion
[10:28] <AlohaWolf> gawd I HATE KDE
[10:28] <magneto> Brooman- i never thought i would discard gentoo but ubuntu is nice and fast and its faster to get running
[10:29] <magneto> lol stunned
[10:29] <AlohaWolf> magneto, thats why I never got on Gentoo, I didnt like the idea of a 36 hour build time
[10:29] <Brooman> magneto: i was actually impressed that ubuntu was the first distro to release gnome 2.8..i had to wait a month for it to make the unstable branch in gentoo
[10:30] <magneto> alohawolf, man its so beautiful to emerge whateverobscureapp
[10:30] <calc> AlohaWolf: so use gnome
[10:30] <fsc> and 2.8 has been rock-solid for me so far
[10:30] <Brooman> to be fair..gentoo does have a stage3 install with prebuilt packages..you can get it up and running as a full desktop in around an hour
[10:31] <AlohaWolf> calc, I didnt wanna wait for it to install
[10:31] <magneto> brooman- how many times did you emerge gnome-base/gnome2.8.0.ebuild before you had all the other emasked ebuilds added into package.keywords ?
[10:31] <stuNNed> magneto, lol
[10:31] <Brooman> magneto: lol..i took the easy way out and did an accept_keywords
[10:32] <Brooman> calc: one reason..portage
[10:32] <calc> i used it for ~ 2hr while it installed and saw how much it sucked
[10:32] <magneto> exactamundo
[10:32] <calc> it has no decent package management at all
[10:32] <magneto> emerge asskickinapp-1.5
[10:32] <Brooman> calc: not gonna start a war, but your wrong
[10:32] <calc> Brooman: perhaps it has changed some, i used it ~ 2000
[10:33] <magneto> calc- i would use emerge now for small apps in ubuntu
[10:33] <Brooman> damn, it existed in 2000?
[10:33] <calc> but from what people using it have told me since it is still that way
[10:33] <calc> Brooman: either in 2000 or 2001 yes
[10:33] <magneto> calc- it has changed alot in 1 year let along 4
[10:33] <calc> back when i still had a job ;)
[10:33] <magneto> alone
[10:33] <magneto> lol
[10:33] <calc> magneto: they rewrote how portage works drastically?
[10:33] <magneto> calc- jobless is the best time to use it
[10:34] <magneto> portage is simple but there are frontends now
[10:34] <Brooman> calc: what were your issues with portage?
[10:34] <magneto> guitoo porthole
[10:34] <calc> Brooman: it had no sane things like being able to see what program a file belonged to, or what files a package produced (like dpkg -L or -S) or rpm does (i forgot its args)
[10:35] <Brooman> i kinda hate gui's but thats just me..tried synaptic and preferred the command line a while ago when i tried debian
[10:35] <calc> that was some of the things i disliked, i don't recall the others
[10:35] <stuNNed> gentoolkit can do that, calc
[10:35] <calc> stuNNed: ah probably didn't exist back then
[10:35] <Brooman> calc: there are utils that take care of that now
[10:35] <calc> ok
[10:36] <Brooman> qpkg and etcat
[10:36] <magneto> portage is sweet although some ebuilds and dependencies can be alot of trouble
[10:36] <yohannes> is there any plugin currently for firefox/mozilla that allows me to play quicktime on apple's site?
[10:36] <Brooman> magneto: ive never had issues with stable
[10:36] <magneto> yohannes mplayerplugin
[10:36] <yohannes> i have browsed the forum but cant seem to find a solution
[10:36] <stuNNed> magneto, esp when you start mixing x86 and ~x86 in a big way, i found
[10:37] <yohannes> is it accessible from apt?
[10:37] <magneto> brooman - stable? we talking gentoo? lol
[10:37] <stuNNed> magneto, imho they need a better way to separate stable from unstable/testing
[10:37] <Brooman> magneto: lol...unstable can be horribly broken sometimes
[10:37] <magneto> stunned- the stable tree is wack
[10:37] <yohannes> magneto--> not available in apt
[10:38] <magneto> u wont use gentoo is stick to nonmasked ebuilds
[10:38] <magneto> if you instead of "is"
[10:39] <magneto> yahannes http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94&page=1&pp=10
[10:39] <Brooman> night all..gotta catch some zzzz's
[10:40] <magneto> later brooman - im out too
[10:40] <magneto> night all/morning all
[10:41] <stuNNed> yohannes, working here with mplayerplug-in
[10:41] <imabrowneye> hi all
[10:41] <stuNNed> hi imabrowneye
[10:42] <cetex> hi, during install when i've partitioned the disk and it's about to format the partitions it complains and says that formating failed.
[10:43] <cetex> and after i've checked some stuff i've found out that it only finds partition #1 on the disk, all other partitions aren't there..
[10:43] <cetex> during partitioning it sees all partitions, but they doesnt exist in /dev
[10:43] <stuNNed> yohannes, eh, sort of works
[10:44] <Gmail> can someone tell me WHY (key word) php4 depends on apache 1.3.*? and not also on apache 2?
[10:44] <imabrowneye> anyone running kde
[10:44] <tolstoy> i'm running from kde . . .
[10:44] <stuNNed> tolstoy, lol
[10:44] <imabrowneye> on ubuntu??
[10:44] <bkw> the livecd include packages that're more up2date than the install cd, right?
[10:45] <tolstoy> i've heard tell that people can install it on ubuntu.  praps there's info at the wiki?
[10:45] <imabrowneye> mm should read better before replying
[10:45] <yohannes> stunned --> where did u get it from?
[10:46] <stuNNed> yohannes, from multiverse repo
[10:46] <imabrowneye> yeah i've had a look around, but though it would be could to find someone who allready ahd it running
[10:46] <imabrowneye> could = good (typing braille :()
[10:46] <Gmail> i was running kde 2 mi ago to see how much it changed from version 2 and i say if your going to use kde why not use winbloat?
[10:46] <stuNNed> is 'repo' the right term in debian world? never really used debian before...
[10:47] <stuNNed> apt repo, or whatever
[10:47] <superblah> anyone know how to dual boot with windows? It automatically made a windows option in grub upon install, but it doesn't work.
[10:47] <imabrowneye> yeah i've found kde to be slow on this old box
[10:47] <yohannes> stunned --> kinda new to apt here, :) what is multiverse repository?
[10:47] <Lathiat> everytime i use kde the graphics are all fscked
[10:48] <imabrowneye> i only ask, beacuse i want to run an app called knoda
[10:48] <Lathiat> yohannes: its contrib/non-free from the main debian archives
[10:48] <imabrowneye> it's a front end for mysql
[10:48] <calc> Gmail: because kde is open source?
[10:48] <calc> Gmail: many people don't run linux because its stripped of features
[10:48] <calc> they run it since its open
[10:48] <cetex> :<
[10:48] <calc> well some probably just run it because its the cool thing to do i guess... ;)
[10:49] <stuNNed> yohannes, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and add 'multiverse' to the end of line: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[10:49] <nevyn> s/open/Free/
[10:49] <stuNNed> yohannes, i.e: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse
[10:49] <nevyn> you can tell they're the ones without nvidia cards or promise "raid" controllers
[10:49] <stuNNed> yohannes, then `apt-get mozilla-mplayer`
[10:50] <stuNNed> yohannes, first `apt-get update`
[10:50] <stuNNed> yohannes, or use synaptic :)
[10:50] <yohannes> why the multiverse variable is not listed on the sources.list on the first place?
[10:51] <imabrowneye> is anyone here using mysql?
[10:51] <iz> yup
[10:51] <imabrowneye> iz are you using a front end for it
[10:51] <iz> nope
[10:51] <yohannes> stunned --> is mozilla-mplayer is the same as mplayerplugin?
[10:52] <stuNNed> yohannes, yes
[10:52] <yohannes> stunned --> cos i got it online. it's version 1.02
[10:52] <thoreauputic> yohannes: not everyone wants to use non-free, for example
[10:52] <yohannes> which one is non-free?
[10:52] <stuNNed> multiverse...universe...i think
[10:52] <iz> imabrowneye, i use webmin
[10:53] <thoreauputic> yohannes: I was answering your earlier question
[10:53] <imabrowneye> iz: any suggestions on something to use as a front end for it
[10:53] <iz> and phpmyadmin
[10:53] <imabrowneye> aaahh
[10:53] <imabrowneye> ok
[10:53] <iz> apt-get install phpmyadmin
[10:53] <yohannes> btw, what is the multiverse variable?
[10:53] <imabrowneye> i want to be able to make up a form
[10:53] <iz> and then add it to your http.conf
[10:54] <yohannes> stunned --> how do i install foo.deb file?
[10:54] <imabrowneye> so you can use it off a web page then
[10:54] <iz> imabrowneye, http://www.mysqlfront.de/
[10:54] <imabrowneye> okay, checking it out
[10:54] <yohannes> the mplayerplugin i downloaded ends w/ that extension
[10:54] <stuNNed> yohannes, 2.66-2 in multiverse
[10:57] <Gmail> i get this error while tring to install a java thing for my modem
[10:57] <Gmail> /tmp/install.dir.30796/Linux/resource/jre/bin/i386/native_threads/java: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:58] <imabrowneye> iz - thanks for that, i will have a play with it
[10:58] <iz> :)
[10:59] <yohannes> stunned --> wow yours is way up2date
[11:00] <stuNNed> i'm out, good luck with it, yohannes
[11:01] <tolstoy> egads. emacs won't stop beeping!
[11:02] <Lathiat> Anyone tried to get NetworkManager running under ubuntu
[11:02] <tolstoy> oh, there we go. /etc/inputrc, and a re-login.
[11:02] <imabrowneye> iz: any suggestions on what i should use for an input form - ie: i want to set up a database for a behavour management group, I'm cool with the sql scripting, but need to have aform for a front end, so they can input data when they interview someone.
[11:03] <imabrowneye> i'm currently looking at openoffice
[11:03] <Lathiat> imabrowneye: web based interfaces are good
[11:03] <imabrowneye> are they hard top set up though
[11:03] <Lathiat> i more meant writing one heh
[11:05] <imabrowneye> i can do the mysql side easily enough (I use sql scripting at work). it's the input form that i need to set up
[11:05] <iz> imabrowneye, there's alot of opensource
[11:05] <imabrowneye> i like the look of knoda
[11:06] <iz> imabrowneye, have you try some content management systems?
[11:06] <iz> like mambo?
[11:07] <imabrowneye> nothing wrong with free
[11:07] <imabrowneye> especially when i'm donating my tiome and pc
[11:08] <iz> try other wise sourceforge.net
[11:08] <iz> searh on form
[11:08] <ahood> Hi All!
[11:09] <cetex> hm, do anyone know what makes ubuntu install fail to recognise partitions when formating and stuff?
[11:09] <imabrowneye> thanks iz
[11:09] <iz> np
[11:10] <ahood> I have a wireless card that is not supported by linux. The Ubuntu 'How To' says to use Synaptic to update to a newer linux kernel. How do I do this if I don't have internet access?
[11:12] <cetex> :(
[11:15] <srocc> hi, could anyone help me get my onboard soundcard installed (its my second day using ubuntu)
[11:15] <b_e_n_z> cetex, works fine here
[11:17] <cetex> well, something makes it _not_ to recognize my partitions wich is kind of annoying..
[11:18] <cetex> a friend of mine had the same problem, but he fixed it someway. although, he cant remember how..
[11:18] <The_Bell> hi
[11:19] <calc> ahood: download it on another computer and copy it over using a cd
[11:19] <linux_mafia> anyone here got beagle running using the ubuntu beagle how to? im sure i followed it to the letter, but no dice
[11:19] <The_Bell> could anyone tell me who shoud I ask to help translating ubuntu to my language?
[11:20] <calc> The_Bell: which part gnome or the installer?
[11:20] <The_Bell> whatever needs to
[11:20] <Pizbit^> The_Bell: What language?
[11:20] <The_Bell> catalan
[11:20] <calc> oh i think gnome already supports catalan
[11:20] <calc> not sure about the installer though
[11:21] <ahood> calc: Thanks. Do I download the linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386. Is this easy to download and install without Synaptic?
[11:21] <calc> ahood: you can find it in the repository but you have to navigate throught the dirs without synaptic
[11:22] <ahood> calc: Please forgive my ignorance (hehe). Is the repository on the CD?
[11:22] <calc> any files not on the ubuntu cd already are on the ubuntu website
[11:23] <The_Bell> if not anything new helping for future versions, or documentation :S
[11:23] <calc> i think its here:
[11:23] <calc> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.8.1/
[11:24] <calc> The_Bell: perhaps ask jdub he would know about both ubuntu and gnome stuff
[11:24] <The_Bell> ok thanks
[11:25] <RubenV> I have a problem with the website, anyone who can help me?
[11:25] <RubenV> oh, appearantly, caps are not allowed in an email address
[11:26] <childe> Hi.
[11:26] <childe> I've planned to switch to Ubuntu
[11:26] <Tomcat_> childe: Good. :D
[11:26] <childe> Now I'm using Debian/Sid.
[11:26] <childe> Do you have some suggestions for me?
[11:26] <linux_mafia> The_Bell, is catalan a language spoken in spain? is that what basques speak?
[11:26] <vrln> clean install
[11:27] <vrln> you could try to dist-upgrade to ubuntu with apt, but things can go wrong
[11:27] <Tomcat_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_language
[11:27] <childe> It sounds cool. But I've burnt a CD so I want to try it :D
[11:27] <AlohaWolf> how do I reconfigure X to run at a higher resolution, its running a 1280*1024 right now, and I want it at 1400*1050
[11:28] <Pizbit> childe: Just have a quick glance at the FAQ
[11:28] <linux_mafia> Tomcat_, thank you, i know how to use the web, wanted to hear it from the horses mouth so to speak
[11:28] <Tomcat_> Sorry. :P
[11:28] <ahood> calc: Thanks! I think I would also need to manually download the ndiswrapper-utils. Where would I find this at http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main  ?
[11:28] <The_Bell> linux_mafia it's a language spoken in Spain and south France
[11:28] <The_Bell> basque is another language also spoken in SPain and sout frace
[11:28] <The_Bell> so we have three official languages in SPain
[11:28] <childe> Will Ubuntu bloat in the future?
[11:29] <b_e_n_z> childe, i suppose so
[11:29] <vinsci> childe, only if you install more packages :)
[11:29] <linux_mafia> The_Bell, ok, thanks
[11:29] <childe> Get bigger and bigger, like other distro?
[11:29] <ahood> calc: I found it!
[11:29] <vrln> childe: why not? :)
[11:29] <linux_mafia> *get even
[11:29] <childe> I've seen that some new packages have been added into Ubuntu, such as AbiWord, Gnumrics
[11:29] <vinsci> childe, just lke debian, you can run as tiny or as complicated a system as you like
[11:30] <childe> OK. Then will the default installation keep small?
[11:30] <Matt|> is it possible to access a hoary repository?
[11:31] <childe> When I apt-get install Gnome on Debian/Sid, it installed a lot of packages
[11:31] <linux_mafia> childe, at install you can type "custom", only the base set of essential os packages are installed, then you can go from there
[11:31] <The_Bell> childe because gnome is a meta package which installs ALL of gnome
[11:31] <The_Bell> you may choose to install only the gnome packages you want
[11:31] <linux_mafia> Matt|, yes, or are you having connection troubles?
[11:31] <The_Bell> it's like KDE
[11:32] <childe> OK
[11:32] <Matt|> linux_mafia, no i just would like an address :)
[11:33] <Matt|> linux_mafia, i would like if possible to change my warty system to a hoary one by updating but I'm not sure if its gonna work :)
[11:33] <linux_mafia> Matt|, just change the word warty to hoary in any instance in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:33] <Matt|> linux_mafia, ok i might try it
[11:33] <linux_mafia> Matt|, im running hoary
[11:33] <Matt|> linux_mafia, can you tell me what version of xorg is in hoary?
[11:33] <linux_mafia> Matt|, none
[11:33] <Matt|> oh
[11:34] <Matt|> eh?
[11:34] <Matt|> linux_mafia, did you cancel that idea?
[11:34] <linux_mafia> Matt|, what idea?
[11:34] <Matt|> linux_mafia, the idea of using xorg in hoary
[11:35] <sander> Is there a simple way to install all header files (-dev packages) of currently installed packages? When I compile stuff myself, often support for certain libs is not enable, while the lib is installed (without headers)
[11:35] <childe> I was disappointed when I know that the drop shadow in X.Org is not blur.
[11:35] <linux_mafia> Matt|, no, i assume its still coming, ubuntu is based on debian, debian does not use xorg either
[11:36] <Matt|> linux_mafia, oh. the main reason of changing would have been that. Can you tell me what version of xfree86 it is?
[11:37] <srocc> this serveer seems to be meant for advanced questions, where can i post my rookyproblems?
[11:37] <linux_mafia> Matt|, 4.3.0, heavily patched though
[11:38] <Matt|> :(
[11:38] <enabl> what do you mean by blur childe?
[11:38] <Matt|> linux_mafia, damn
[11:38] <childe> I mean the real blur filter, like in Photoshop or in Mac OS X
[11:38] <enabl> like that http://www.filespace.org/enabl/XFce.jpg
[11:38] <childe> the  Gaussian Blur
[11:40] <linux_mafia> Matt|, why "damn"?
[11:40] <synapse> hi, just wondering what packages i need for running java with firefox compatabilitie?
[11:40] <Matt|> linux_mafia, only the most recent release of xorg supports 3d for my video card
[11:40] <Matt|> linux_mafia, and I have failed to compile the modules myself :(
[11:41] <childe> This picture is pretty. But is the shadow produced by real Blur or by gradient?
[11:41] <linux_mafia> Matt|, what card? an ati no doubt, heh
[11:41] <Matt|> linux_mafia, correct
[11:41] <Matt|> linux_mafia, IGP 340M
[11:41] <enabl> i've no idea childe
[11:41] <childe> OK
[11:42] <linux_mafia> Matt|, what you want 3d in linux for?
[11:42] <The_Bell> Matt| in gentoo I managed to do this
[11:42] <childe> So I'll go to see XFCE's code, Thanks
[11:42] <The_Bell> but not in debian
[11:42] <The_Bell> http://www.freedesktop.org/~dri/snapshots/
[11:42] <The_Bell> downloading here the latest snapshots
[11:42] <The_Bell> of common and radeon
[11:42] <The_Bell> unpacking and running the install script
[11:43] <The_Bell> you'll need the kernel modules packages installed
[11:43] <Matt|> The_Bell, you think it will work?
[11:43] <Matt|> linux_mafia, isn't 3d a good idea?
[11:43] <Matt|> linux_mafia, I can't play any games!
[11:43] <The_Bell> Matt| in gentoo worked
[11:43] <The_Bell> in debian didn't
[11:43] <The_Bell> but you can always uninstall it
[11:43] <The_Bell> it savesthe old modules as backups
[11:43] <Matt|> The_Bell, yes I have also got it going in gentoo, mandrake, fedora
[11:43] <The_Bell> so you'll not have any problem
[11:44] <Matt|> The_Bell, you have the same card?
[11:44] <linux_mafia> Matt|, why not just play games in win? do you not dual boot?
[11:44] <Matt|> linux_mafia, nope
[11:44] <Matt|> linux_mafia, dual booting is like a concession to evil
[11:44] <Matt|> ;p
[11:44] <The_Bell> nope
[11:44] <The_Bell> i have a IGP320M
[11:44] <Matt|> ah similar
[11:44] <childe> Matt, why not play games in XBox? heh heh
[11:44] <synapse> hi, just wondering what packages i need for running java with firefox compatability?
[11:44] <Matt|> childe, i do not have one
[11:45] <Matt|> unfortunately
[11:45] <childe> Sorry
[11:45] <Matt|> no need to apologise :)
[11:45] <childe> I don't have one, too
[11:46] <Matt|> The_Bell, so I run the common install script, and then the radeon install script?
[11:46] <The_Bell> there should be only one install script which dioes everything
[11:46] <silbs> hi all. Does Ubuntu support a  "be2-latin1" keyboard?
[11:47] <The_Bell> in dripkg directory
[11:47] <Matt|> right
[11:47] <Matt|> i just unpack them in the same place and it will work?
[11:47] <The_Bell> Matt| http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=206675&highlight=
[11:47] <The_Bell> look  here
[11:47] <sander> synapse, I installed jre-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin (java.sun.com) and symlinked to libjavaplugin_oji.so in my ~/.mozilla/plugins folder, works fine!
[11:47] <The_Bell> it sould
[11:47] <The_Bell> should
[11:47] <Matt|> The_Bell, ok thanks
[11:47] <linux_mafia> synapse, i followed this, works a treat, stick to 1.4.x though, 1.5 always crashes for me, although ymmv
[11:48] <Matt|> The_Bell, if all else fails I will just wipe ubuntu and install gentoo :)
[11:48] <AlohaWolf> how do I get my sounds working?
[11:48] <linux_mafia> synapse, http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php
[11:48] <linux_mafia> i guess posting the link helps, heh
[11:50] <sander> Nobody?  - Is there a simple way to install all header files (-dev packages) of currently installed packages?
[11:50] <kent> sander, synaptic?
[11:51] <Aard> sander: what about getting all those names from apt-cache search and piping it to apt-get install?
[11:51] <Matt|> The_Bell, ok i have run the script and it has gone through without any errors. I'll restart X and see how it goes
[11:51] <Matt|> many thanks for that!!
[11:51] <sander> kent, I used synaptic indeed. But I had too read >700 installed packages, to watch for -dev packages
[11:51] <sander> Aard, that might be a good one!
[11:52] <The_Bell> ok
[11:52] <derJunior> AlohaWolf: we need more information to answer your question
[11:52] <Pizbit> sander: You see that button that says "search" ?:)
[11:52] <The_Bell> he should have disavbled gdm before rebooting...
[11:52] <sander> heh
[11:52] <sander> don't forget that you don't know which libs are installed
[11:52] <sander> so you don't know what to look for either
[11:52] <AlohaWolf> derJunior, everything appears to bet set up right, but nothing appears to be working, I hit play in any program, I get dead air
[11:52] <linux_mafia> The_Bell, would this have helped him : http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html
[11:53] <sander> Pizbit, example: libjpeg is installed by default, libjpeg-dev is not. My apps compile fine, but quitely without libjpeg support
[11:53] <Aard> sander: you can find out what's installed with apt-cache and/or apt-show-versions ;)
[11:53] <The_Bell> I think our IGP are not listed there linux_mafia
[11:53] <The_Bell> but im not sure
[11:53] <linux_mafia> The_Bell, ok
[11:54] <AlohaWolf> derJunior, nevermind.. I fixed it
[11:54] <Pizbit> sander: Then whoever wrote the configure script should go back and put a bit at the end saying what will or wont be compiled
[11:54] <vinsci> who's working on the web site? no team listed on the team page
[11:55] <sander> Pizbit, I agree. I wish that packages will do this ...
[11:55] <derJunior> AlohaWolf: okay :)
[11:55] <skar> hi, how do i configure smartd so as to run a script when it detects a device to be developing bad sectors?
[11:56] <AlohaWolf> derJunior, the drivers used under ubuntu configure it to come out a different port
[11:56] <donald> hi
[11:57] <donald> i downloaded wine for syanptec. where is it  i cant find it
[11:57] <donald> i installed
[11:57] <rebirth> aha!
[11:57] <rebirth> java
[11:57] <rebirth> :[
[11:58] <donald> can som one help me _
[11:58] <Pizbit> donald: You downloaded a .deb ? You'll have to install it via dpkg -i <.deb file name> as root at the command line
[11:58] <donald> pizbit:i said i installed
[11:58] <donald> but i cant find it
[11:59] <rebirth> what package do i need so java is installed? ie, webgames, azureus..
[11:59] <derJunior> AlohaWolf: what soundcard do you have? A friend of mine has a Problem with the Sound too
[12:00] <AlohaWolf> I have an nForce2
[12:00] <derJunior> okay it isn't the same, he has VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[12:01] <derJunior> do someone know a link to an howto for this card?
[12:02] <Pizbit> donald: Keep everything in the channel
[12:02] <donald> pizbit: can u help me ?
[12:04] <donald> i installed wine but i cant find it ? where is it
[12:05] <The_Bell> that Matt may have had problems with the xfree modules
[12:05] <The_Bell> maybe I should have told hm how to restore the old drivers
[12:05] <donald> th e bell can u help me _
[12:05] <donald> ?
[12:06] <The_Bell> run updatedb
[12:06] <The_Bell> and then locate wine
[12:06] <The_Bell> it might be in /opt maybe
[12:06] <The_Bell> I don't know never installed wine
[12:06] <TheMuso> If wine was installed from a package, it would not be in /opt.
[12:07] <donald> i found it on synaptic
[12:07] <TheMuso> The command wine is very likely in /usr/bin
[12:07] <TheMuso> another way to find it is type which wine
[12:08] <The_Bell> well
[12:08] <The_Bell> if he is trying to find it
[12:08] <donald> ok but when  i downlod music from Amule where  does i goes _ i cant find it
[12:08] <The_Bell> I suppose its because it is not in the path
[12:08] <The_Bell> oh
[12:08] <The_Bell> you meant where it saves the files
[12:08] <TheMuso> Wine creates virtual drives that point to various points on your system, depending on the configuration.
[12:08] <vinsci> web site team, ping
[12:09] <donald> i DL some music . where is it ?
[12:09] <donald> wich folder ?
[12:09] <TheMuso> Have you searched through your home directory?
[12:10] <donald> no
[12:10] <donald> isnt it  a folder > my shared folder or some thing?
[12:11] <TheMuso> Within the EMule program folder, very likely.
[12:11] <TheMuso> It also might be under /usr/share/wine
[12:12] <donald> where is my shared folder _
[12:12] <donald> i want to listen to some music
[12:13] <TheMuso> Well I can't exactly tell you myself. :) One way you could at least find the program is to search for the .exe file.
[12:13] <TheMuso> donald: You are using eMule? Did I get that right?
[12:13] <donald> its no exe file  im using linux
[12:13] <donald> aMule
[12:14] <TheMuso> donald: But you are using wine? Or have I got you mixed up with someone else?
[12:14] <donald> forget about wine now
[12:14] <TheMuso> Ok. Very likely the folder you have shared is somewhere in your home directory.
[12:15] <donald> argh! just forget the hole shit! you noobs  u cant  even tell me where it it. and this is a support channel ? u guys are noob like me! you are nott better ! noob!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:15] <L|nu}{^> ashole!
[12:16] <TheMuso> L|nu}{^: I disagree. he wasn't aware of how the program was set up. I don't know the program myself, but I was trying to help him
[12:17] <ahood> Thanks to all for the help!
[12:18] <tck> wtf was donald duck on about ?
[12:18] <Pizbit> What'd he say? I put him on ignore when he wouldn't stop messaging me
[12:19] <L|nu}{> haha...
[12:19] <TheMuso> It seems that he wasn't pacient. I came in half way through, and was attempting to find out what his problems were.
[12:19] <TheMuso> patient
[12:20] <tck> patience is a virtue :)
[12:20] <TheMuso> Agreed, but there are certainly a lot of people in this world who don't have it.
[12:21] <rebirth> what package do i install to get the java vm?
[12:21] <rebirth> :x
[12:21] <TheMuso> Java is not available in main or universe, or even multiverse AFAIK.
[12:22] <TheMuso> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[12:25] <rebirth> TheMuso, so I have to install it manually? :o
[12:25] <rebirth> I have it
[12:25] <rebirth> amr@rebirth:~ $ java
[12:25] <rebirth> You need to specify some parameters for java-sablevm wrapper.
[12:25] <rebirth> Help option is not implemented yet. See 'man java-sablevm' for now.
[12:25] <rebirth> how do I enable it in FireFox?
[12:26] <TheMuso> I am not sure sa I haven't had to do it myself. I am pretty sure it is on the wiki somewhere. If not, I suggest you go through this month's Ubuntu users archive. I remember seeing it there.
[12:26] <tuxx> Hello.
[12:27] <tuxx> How well is ATI Radeon 8500 supported by Ubuntu?
[12:27] <rebirth> Whats the Ubuntu users archive? :o
[12:27] <Pizbit> rebirth: For the mailing list I'm guessing
[12:27] <TheMuso> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/thread.html
[12:28] <cetex> hm,the ubuntu installcd only finds /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/{disc,part1} and the partitions part 1 through 7 exists.. :<
[12:28] <rebirth> thanks :-)
[12:29] <mjr> tuxx, well, Radeon 8500 is supported by the free DRI drivers for 3d acceleration; I don't know how well's that integrated in Ubuntu
[12:30] <tuxx> mjr I can see in Synaptic that there is a driver.. however I'm not sure how well it works and it's not on my machine I have the ATI. I have a nvidia and it works with the provided driver. Will ATI be like the same?
[12:30] <TheMuso> cetex: How many partitions should that drive have?
[12:35] <TheMuso> BrianB04: What exactly is the problem?
[12:36] <BrianB04> Well, all sounds work fine finally (On a gateway centrino laptop with ac'97 card) but...CD audio will not play
[12:36] <TheMuso> Do you have a CD audio cable from your CD-Rom to the motherboard CD audio connector?
[12:36] <BrianB04> I have no clue, seeing as how I have never opened the laptop...
[12:36] <Pizbit> heh
[12:37] <TheMuso> Ah ok. Is the CD audio volume up in the volume control?
[12:37] <BrianB04> Yep
[12:38] <TheMuso> Ok. I think you have to play CDs digitally, I.E have the Cd drive rip the CD and play it. I think Totem can do this. On the file meny there is an option to play a CD. Try that.
[12:38] <TheMuso> menu
[12:38] <childe> What's the URL of Ubuntu's package repository?
[12:39] <BrianB04> It just opens up Gnome's CD Player
[12:39] <TheMuso> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[12:39] <TheMuso> BrianB04: Is that when you insert the CD?
[12:39] <TheMuso> or when you choose the CD play option from Totem?
[12:39] <BrianB04> No, when I go into Totem, and select Play Disc from Tote
[12:39] <BrianB04> Totem....m key doesn't want to work today...bah
[12:41] <vanherpt> hi
[12:41] <vanherpt> I have a question regarding mozilla thunderbird
[12:41] <gruberman> morning
[12:42] <vanherpt> can I use an external application to send to thunderbird an attachment so that I don't have to look for the file?
[12:43] <TheMuso> BrianB04: Hmmm. it doesn't want to do anything for me, strange. I can't help you at present I am affraid
[12:43] <BrianB04> I wish there was a cd player app for Linux that does digital
[12:44] <derJunior> i'm not sure BrianB04 but i think i had heard of someone like this
[12:44] <derJunior> something like this
[12:44] <BrianB04> I went hunting through the forums, and all I found similar were mac problems
[12:44] <childe> Oh. There is no Chinese fonts in Ubuntu
[12:44] <derJunior> has ubutu a standard firewall?
[12:45] <vanherpt> you mean digital extraction for audio?
[12:45] <derJunior> if it has, how can i deactivate it
[12:45] <vinsci> derJunior, by default, it doesn't install a firewall, as it doesn't install any servers
[12:45] <TheMuso> vanherpt: Yeah. Sound-juicer uses the gstreamer backend for doing such a thing, and Totem is theoretically supposed to take advantage of it.
[12:45] <derJunior> vincent: okay thx
[12:45] <TheMuso> BrianB04: Have you tried going to open location and typing in cdda://
[12:46] <vinsci> derJunior, firewall functionality is built into the kernel, it's called iptables
[12:46] <derJunior> vincent: i know
[12:46] <RubenV> gstreamer's video capabilities are still inferior
[12:46] <RubenV> it's horrible
[12:46] <vanherpt> xmms has that funcionality in the cd plugin, I think
[12:46] <TheMuso> derJunior: I guess you could get a frontend from universe.
[12:47] <vinsci> derJunior, I would have suggested installing bastille in order to config the firewall - but unfortunately ubuntu for some reason doesn't come with that package
[12:47] <derJunior> my problem is i will connect via ssh to a friend's ubutu an the connection was refused
[12:47] <vinsci> derJunior, that's likely because he doesn't run the sshd
[12:47] <vanherpt> is he behind a router?
[12:47] <gruberman> Is there anyone here who has a nice icon for irssi?
[12:47] <TheMuso> derJunior: Thats a problem on the other end. Not yours AFAIK
[12:48] <RubenV> Ubuntu doesn't come with a firewall in a default config btw
[12:48] <derJunior> the-erm: yes i know, but the other system is an ubuntu system
[12:48] <derJunior> vincent: okay that's an idea, sshd is installed by default or?
[12:48] <TheMuso> derJunior: But does he have the SSh server running?
[12:48] <RubenV> no sshd by default
[12:48] <TheMuso> sudo apt-get install ssh-server
[12:49] <derJunior> big thx
[12:49] <TheMuso> BrianB04: I think that can only RIP.
[12:50] <BrianB04> It can play as well
[12:50] <vanherpt> If I want to run a command at boot time, I make a script in init.d/myscript and then add it to a runlevel (like 234 or 5) right?
[12:50] <RubenV> does the job and does it well
[12:50] <TheMuso> RubenV: What do you use for CD track titles?
[12:50] <BrianB04> RubenV, You use OGG?
[12:50] <gruberman> what's the command to see all the processes?
[12:50] <RubenV> Yes I use ogg
[12:50] <TheMuso> gruberman: ps aux
[12:50] <BrianB04> Just for home use, or do you have a portable player?
[12:50] <RubenV> it's far superior compared to MP3
[12:50] <NermUbuntu> lo lo
[12:51] <NermUbuntu> I think I've worked out what apt isn't soing
[12:51] <RubenV> for home use
[12:51] <vanherpt> gruberman, "top" does it too
[12:51] <RubenV> my portable player is my laptop ;)
[12:51] <gruberman> TheMuso, vanherpt: thx
[12:51] <BrianB04> What quality you use for Ogg?
[12:52] <derJunior> openssh-server ist allready the newest version
[12:52] <RubenV> 10
[12:52] <RubenV> I used to encode in flac
[12:52] <derJunior> but /etc/init.d/sshd doesn't exist
[12:52] <RubenV> ogg at 10 gives me about the same quality, without wasting so much space
[12:52] <TheMuso> derJunior: Well type sudo apt-get install --reinstall ssh-server and that should be fixed.
[12:52] <RubenV> I'm a quality whore
[12:52] <TheMuso> RubenV: But you still loose some.
[12:53] <RubenV> mainly because I hate dj's who play 128kbps mp3
[12:53] <derJunior> TheMuso: okay i will test ist (i work as root i don't need sudo)
[12:53] <RubenV> TheMuse: true, but marginally
[12:53] <BrianB04> 6 is about default, isn't it?
[12:53] <TheMuso> I am a quality freek as well, but sometimes less space with a bit of lossyness is acceptable.
[12:53] <RubenV> It's a good tradoff compared to the space eating flac
[12:53] <TheMuso> RubenV: True.
[12:53] <vanherpt> and what would you have to do to add sshd so it'll start with the system
[12:54] <TheMuso> I have been thinking of doing DJing, but I would use FLAC or the absolute highest OGG quality.
[12:54] <RubenV> I'm still looking for decent software on linux
[12:54] <RubenV> mixxx is the most mature thing, but can't find any debs
[12:54] <vanherpt> RubenV, have you seen www.openjay.org??
[12:54] <RubenV> and ever since i quit gentoo, i'm tired of compiling
[12:55] <RubenV> let's see
[12:55] <TheMuso> RubenV: Have you checked Debian's repositories?
[12:55] <tseng> keep the cds
[12:55] <RubenV> TheMuso: yes
[12:55] <BrianB04> Well, you know what I mean, encode them, and set them aside.
[12:56] <RubenV> If I knew how to build a decent .deb
[12:56] <RubenV> but couldn't get mixxx to compile anymore on gentoo
[12:56] <RubenV> too bad, cause i kinda liked it
[12:56] <RubenV> unfortunately it's not Traktor
[12:58] <TheMuso> You could build some DJ software using Pure Data and some externals. :)
[12:59] <RubenV> well, as an IT studednt, it should be my duty to do so
[12:59] <RubenV> on the other hand, if I don't want do double my year, I shouldn't ;)
[01:00] <TheMuso> RubenV: Do you want to do things like speed alteration of music to beatmix etc?
[01:00] <The_Bell> estc uugant
[01:01] <RubenV> TheMuso: yes
[01:02] <RubenV> http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?traktor_us
[01:02] <RubenV> back when i was a windows user, I used this
[01:02] <RubenV> now I'm out of software, but atleast I don't have to use windows anymore
[01:02] <TheMuso> software
[01:03] <TheMuso> I think there is also another one called BPM DJ.
[01:03] <RubenV> yeah, but Traktor is far superior to BPM
[01:03] <merlin0> hello
[01:03] <TheMuso> RubenV: True
[01:03] <merlin0> new user here
[01:04] <michael315> merlin0 welcome old son
[01:04] <RubenV> maybe I should try to build mixxx
[01:04] <RubenV> after I work through my math
[01:04] <merlin0> someone have a working celestia with fglrx driver
[01:04] <merlin0> hello michael315
[01:06] <RubenV> ciao
[01:09] <netmonk> can you please tell me how to add fonts in ubuntu, I open the folder but it won't let me paste the fonts
[01:10] <ahood> Hi All
[01:10] <vanherpt> hi
[01:11] <vanherpt> you have to create a folder in /usr/share/fonts
[01:12] <vanherpt> and then put that folder in the configurations files (i think it was xorg.conf but dont remember the other)
[01:12] <ahood> I am a linux noobie and I need some advice. About an hour ago, this chat room helped me with manually downloading ndiswrapper-utils and linux-image. Now I need to figure out how to install these packages (deb files). Can I do this with Synaptic?
[01:13] <RubenV> ahood, to manually install a .deb:
[01:13] <RubenV> sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[01:13] <RubenV> i don't think you can do this in synaptic
[01:13] <LinuxJones> ahood, ndiswrapper-utils is available thru synaptic
[01:14] <RubenV> that's also true, i'm using it :)
[01:14] <RubenV> (unfortunately, till i find a better mini pci)
[01:14] <ahood> LinuxJones: True, but once I install Ubuntu, I won't have access to internet because the wireless won't be configured. I need ndiswrapper.
[01:14] <cyrilmalka> Hello there.. I try to install Ubuntu for the first time (on my sons machine), it can't boot directly from CD, so I believe the best will be to boot from the HD... the doc tells me to find hd-media/initrd.gz and hd-media/vmlinux... But where do I find it? Any suggestion?
[01:14] <ahood> RubenV: Thanks for the manual install command.
[01:15] <LinuxJones> ahood, oh ok, do what RubenV said :)
[01:15] <ahood> If I install manually, will the new package appear in Synaptic list?
[01:15] <LinuxJones> ahood, I don't know if there will be dependency problems when you go to run it though
[01:16] <LinuxJones> ahood, give me a sec.
[01:19] <ahood> LinuxJones: I don't know either about dependency.
[01:20] <LinuxJones> ahood, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/view?searchterm=ndiswrapper%20wireless
[01:20] <altan> is it just me or is the GNOME Network Settings menu buggy beyond all comprehension?
[01:22] <ahood> LinuxJones: Thanks. The question is... Do I need to install the linux-image before ndiswrapper-utils?
[01:23] <LinuxJones> ahood, >> I don't think it matters.
[01:23] <RubenV> ahood: doesn't really matter
[01:24] <RubenV> the othe utils are user space utilities
[01:24] <RubenV> the other is a kernel image
[01:24] <RubenV> just install em both
[01:24] <RubenV> reboot to the new kernel
[01:24] <LinuxJones> ahood, >> You will have to re-boot to the new kernel before running ndiswrapper tho ;)
[01:24] <RubenV> ndiswrapper -i inffile.inf
[01:24] <RubenV> and modprobe ndiswrapper
[01:24] <RubenV> andyour card should work
[01:26] <gruberman> OT: is there anyone here who has a link so I can listen to the cowboys game today?
[01:27] <JanneM> where should suggestions for inclusion in Hoary go?
[01:27] <JanneM> is the mailing list sufficient?
[01:27] <ahood> LinuxJones RubenV: Thanks!
[01:33] <altan> does anyone know of a good networking tutorial for all linux distros?
[01:35] <The_Bell> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Net-HOWTO/
[01:35] <The_Bell> try this
[01:41] <vanherpt> and a good initscripts tutorial for ubuntu/debian?
[01:42] <LinuxJones> vanherpt, >> http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3306
[01:42] <vanherpt> thanx
[01:42] <LinuxJones> vanherpt, ;)
[01:44] <TJL1> hello
[01:44] <altan> I enable the thing from the GNOME Network config but it keeps disabling itself
[01:45] <TJL1> can someone recommend me a nice editor (similar to Kate) with good syntax highlighting, that is GTK-based?
[01:45] <gruberman> gedit?
[01:45] <LinuxJones> altan, you loose your networking after re-booting your machine ?
[01:46] <altan> LinuxJones: I haven't rebooted
[01:46] <altan> it just enables it for a second then it unticks itself
[01:46] <gruberman> TJL1: I use gedit for web stuff.. good for php, html, python, css and alot more stuff
[01:46] <TJL1> other than gedit... ;-)
[01:46] <altan> it's so annoying, like it's taunting me :(
[01:46] <altan> TJL1: Try Scite
[01:46] <LinuxJones> altan, it is a pci network card ?
[01:47] <vanherpt> altan, gvim
[01:47] <altan> LinuxJones, it's an integrated network card
[01:47] <altan> it's recognized though
[01:47] <vanherpt> it was for TJL1
[01:47] <altan> the hell? I open device manager, it opens for .25 seconds and shuts itself off
[01:47] <LinuxJones> altan, so is the card working at all or is it some option that can't be enabled ?
[01:48] <jdub> altan: jump to a terminal, type:
[01:48] <jdub> sudo ifdown eth0 (or whatever you're using)
[01:48] <jdub> altan: then try the gui again
[01:48] <gruberman> TJL1: bluefish
[01:48] <altan> LinuxJones: I'm inclined to believe it's something wrong with the GNOME Network Config because I tried to use it to configure PPP as well and it kept doing that too
[01:48] <altan> jdub: I did that, I'm recognized
[01:48] <gruberman> TJL1: vi :)
[01:48] <Gmail> http://www.forum.vhcs.net/images/debian.png
[01:48] <Gmail> anyone want to change that to ubuntu
[01:50] <altan> By the way, this will be the main machine on the network, do I need to set up a DHCP server or something? I mean, does the GNOME thing assume that you're trying to connect to an existing network?
[01:50] <cenerentola> hi everybody=
[01:50] <cenerentola> where does evolutions keeps data=?
[01:51] <cenerentola> ...keep data...
[01:51] <sander> $HOME/.evolution
[01:51] <sander> (mail/contacts/etc)
[01:51] <LinuxJones> altan, I haven't heard of anybody else having those problems. Do you have a spare PCI Network card you can put in the machine ?
[01:51] <cetex> is there any way to install ubuntu if you exclude the original cd?
[01:51] <altan> LinuxJones, this is EXACTLY what happens: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2226&highlight=network+dhcp
[01:51] <sander> cenerentola, $HOME/.evolution (data) $HOME/.gconf/apps/evolution (settings)
[01:52] <cenerentola> thx
[01:52] <altan> LinuxJones, I'm very new to ethernet networking (in fact I've never done it before), but this DHCP thing - don't I need a DHCP server for my machine to define itself on the network correctly and for the other machine to define itself?
[01:53] <jdub> cenerentola: do not change anything under .gconf manually
[01:53] <jdub> cenerentola: use gconf-editor or gconftool-2
[01:54] <sander> cenerentola, jdub is correct. only use this folder for back-ing up, never touch the file contents
[01:55] <TJL1> gruberman: yes I like Vi (I use it at work), but I want something pretty for my desktop at home!
[01:55] <maswan> TJL1: gvim?
[01:55] <gruberman> TJL1: Try bluefish
[01:56] <LinuxJones> altan, do you have a router on your network ?
[01:56] <altan> I still suggest Scite
[01:56] <altan> LinuxJones: No, I got what I think the guy called a cross cable
[01:57] <TJL1> I'm just getting scite now
[01:57] <TJL1> I'll have a look at the others too
[01:57] <TJL1> thanks for the ideas
[01:58] <nevyn> hrm
[01:58] <cenerentola> yep but the accounts' configuration
[01:58] <jdub> TJL1: gedit is pretty cool these days
[01:58] <cenerentola> where does it keep it
[01:58] <jdub> cenerentola: in gconf
[01:58] <altan> I remember reading about it a few years ago though, so I'm pretty sure the guy wasn't making stuff up, and I'm pretty sure I don't need a router
[01:58] <jdub> cenerentola: run gconf-editor, navigate to /apps/evolution
[01:58] <cenerentola> no i copied them... but it doesnt
[01:58] <nevyn> does ubuntu ship with kdevelop?
[01:58] <nevyn> altan: yes you do.
[01:58] <cenerentola> show any kind of account
[01:58] <jdub> nevyn: kde is not supported - it might be in universe
[01:59] <altan> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2564 <--- TJL1, guide for anti-aliased fonts in Scite
[01:59] <bkw> does ubuntu have graphical package manager tool like fc3 might include?
[01:59] <jdub> altan: configure one machine at 192.168.10.1, and the other at 192.168.10.2
[01:59] <altan> nevyn, hold on
[01:59] <jdub> bkw: synaptic
[01:59] <cenerentola> it just starts with the setup-wizard
[01:59] <TJL1> bkw: synaptic
[01:59] <LinuxJones> altan, ok you will have to specify your IP address on that card manually (don't use dhcp). I don't know what to tell you for the other issues your having. If you can borrow/buy a PCI Network card and disable you onboard Net card (in bios). Try that out and see if it makes a difference.
[01:59] <TJL1> thanks for the link altan
[02:01] <cenerentola> jdub: im just trying to restore the settings ive got on another partition...
[02:01] <cenerentola> but it doesnt get the accounts
[02:02] <swifty> Hey, I tried to do a scan for wlan. I neighbour here share his internet with me, but I cant find his network, I find another network. It works fine in windows. Someone here know what to do?
[02:02] <altan> nevyn: http://www.johnscloset.net/wiring/crossover.html
[02:04] <nevyn> altan: you need a dhcp server or router on the network to use DHCP
[02:04] <cenerentola> jdub:????
[02:04] <sander> cenerentola, you must copy the $HOME/.gconf/apps/evolution folder to your new system, BUT, you must restart gconfd (killall gconfd-2)
[02:04] <sander> then start evolution
[02:05] <sander> ... talking to a wall :) ...
[02:05] <rburns> I have a printer connected to a rh9 box. from the command line on an ubuntu machine I can print, but not from any of the apps. any ideas?
[02:05] <altan> nevyn: I installed dhcpserver3 now
[02:05] <cenerentola> sorry you were saying
[02:06] <derJunior> TheMuso: what a type of firewall tool are you expecting to me?
[02:09] <cenerentola> ???
[02:09] <LinuxJones> altan, if you are using a crossover cable you don't need a dhcp server.
[02:09] <derJunior> :)
[02:10] <cenerentola> plz help
[02:10] <nevyn> altan: configuring dhcp is reasonably advanced networking foo. you may just wish to configure each machine with an address and be done with it.
[02:10] <cenerentola> i killed those gconfd-2 but its still the same
[02:11] <altan> yeah, it looks pretty difficult
[02:12] <nevyn> altan: not exact ly difficult.. more.. "advanced"
[02:19] <altan> Okay, I set it up sans-dhcp, ping works now but with 100% packet loss.
[02:19] <altan> I mean, it recognizes that there is a network, but it doesn't receive the packages
[02:22] <altan> Do I need to set this machine up as a gateway?
[02:23] <nevyn> altan: if you want internet access from the other one then yes.
[02:24] <nevyn> ping works with 100% packet loss?? to the other machine?
[02:24] <nevyn> or to the internet?
[02:25] <altan> to the other machine
[02:25] <altan> when I pinged before it just said network not found or something, but this way it just sends packets and never receives them. it's a step up, but not useful
[02:25] <nevyn> and you've configured both machines?
[02:26] <altan> yep
[02:26] <nevyn> what addresses did you use?
[02:27] <altan> 192.168.0.1 / 192.168.0.2
[02:27] <nevyn> with a netmask of 255.255.255.0?
[02:28] <altan> yes
[02:29] <joris_> Hello everyone, i downloaded the new kernel 2.6.9, installed gcc and the required ncurses libs and i still get tons of errors when compiling, anyone?
[02:29] <altan> " Remeber that in Ubuntu packages are listening on non-local network interfaces." <--- Does this mean anything?
[02:29] <LinuxJones> joris_, install build-essential
[02:30] <joris_> Is that an package?
[02:30] <LinuxJones> joris_, yes it is a dummy package that will install everything necessary to compile.
[02:31] <kapputu> hi Hiky
[02:31] <joris_> hmmzz
[02:31] <joris_> I fout it in the package manager, installing it right now... Yuo are saying this package installs everything that i need in order to compile a new kernel LinuxJones?
[02:31] <Hikaru79> Hey, kappu :)
[02:32] <LinuxJones> joris_, yep
[02:32] <Hikaru79> joris_, yes :) Synaptic is great
[02:32] <kapputu> hi Linux
[02:32] <joris_> =] 
[02:32] <LinuxJones> hiya kapputu
[02:32] <kapputu> anyone had to change their clocks here ?
[02:33] <joris_> not me :)
[02:33] <derJunior> can someone approve an iptables firewall tool? Somethin in X for examble
[02:33] <LinuxJones> kapputu, mine updated correctly
[02:33] <kapputu> damn I woke up to find that I could have slept for one hour more
[02:33] <stvn> mine too
[02:33] <kapputu> :-(
[02:33] <stvn> heh
[02:33] <zenwhen> TRICK OR TREAT?
[02:33] <kalleboo> TRICK OR TREAT
[02:33] <LinuxJones> derJunior, firestarter
[02:33] <zenwhen> WE WANT CANDY
[02:33] <kalleboo> TRICK OR TREAT smell my feet, give me something good to eat!
[02:34] <kapputu> install KDE and you have all the eye candy
[02:34] <joris_> hey LinuxJones, things keep going wrong after i installed that package. Checkout what messages i get when i do a make menuconfig":
[02:34] <joris_> /boot/config-2.6.8.1-3-386:2478: trying to assign nonexistent symbol USB_PWC
[02:34] <joris_> /boot/config-2.6.8.1-3-386:2562: trying to assign nonexistent symbol USB_EAGLE
[02:34] <joris_> /boot/config-2.6.8.1-3-386:2664: trying to assign nonexistent symbol ASFS_FS
[02:34] <joris_> /boot/config-2.6.8.1-3-386:2665: trying to assign nonexistent symbol ASFS_RW
[02:34] <zenwhen> :) :)
[02:34] <kalleboo> :O
[02:34] <joris_> Anyone here knows whats the deal?
[02:34] <LinuxJones> joris_, did you unpack the kernel source and create the linux link in /usr/src ?
[02:35] <joris_> yeah
[02:35] <joris_> i downlaoded it in usr/src and unpacked it
[02:35] <joris_> and from there i went building
[02:35] <LinuxJones> joris_, are you sure the linux link is pointing to the correct directory ?
[02:36] <LinuxJones> joris_, cd /usr/src
[02:36] <joris_> well
[02:36] <derJunior> LinuxJones: thx
[02:36] <joris_> i run make menuconfig from /usr/src/linux-2.6.9 or something
[02:36] <LinuxJones> joris_, then  ln -s /usr/src/<whatever directory has the source > linux
[02:37] <LinuxJones> derJunior, :)
[02:38] <joris_> sh-2.05b# ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.6.9
[02:38] <joris_> ln: `./linux-2.6.9': cannot overwrite directory
[02:38] <joris_> Do you have any idea what's going in?
[02:39] <derJunior> joris_: what was the exact command?
[02:39] <joris_> what command do you mean?
[02:39] <derJunior> sh-2.05b# ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.6.9  <-- ist thist the command?
[02:39] <joris_> yeah
[02:40] <joris_> it's a C&P
[02:40] <derJunior> ln -s /usr/src/linux-2.6.9 /usr/src/linux
[02:40] <joris_> no clue what ln is doing, but i'm used to just unpack the source, run make menuconfig and voila...
[02:40] <kapputu> anyone uses Dyndns at home ?
[02:40] <joris_> do i need to rename the directory derJunior?
[02:40] <derJunior> jordi:
[02:41] <derJunior> joris_:  no, you make an symlink from the kernel directory to /usr/src/linux
[02:41] <joris_> yeah ok
[02:41] <joris_> but i still get the errors
[02:41] <joris_> :(
[02:41] <derJunior> the same?
[02:41] <derJunior> is there allready a /usr/src/linux?
[02:41] <derJunior> then delet ist
[02:41] <joris_> no
[02:41] <joris_> sh-2.05b# pwd
[02:41] <joris_> /usr/src/linux
[02:41] <joris_> sh-2.05b# make menuconfig
[02:41] <joris_> scripts/kconfig/mconf arch/i386/Kconfig
[02:41] <joris_> #
[02:41] <joris_> # using defaults found in /boot/config-2.6.8.1-3-386
[02:41] <joris_> #
[02:41] <joris_> /boot/config-2.6.8.1-3-386:84: trying to assign nonexistent symbol X86_EMU486
[02:42] <joris_> /boot/config-2.6.8.1-3-386:120: trying to assign nonexistent symbol PM_DISK
[02:42] <joris_> /boot/config-2.6.8.1-3-386:489: trying to assign nonexistent symbol BLK_DEV_ADMA/boot/config-2.6.8.1-3-386:538: trying to assign nonexistent symbol CHR_DEV_SCH
[02:42] <joris_> /boot/config-2.6.8.1-3-386:584: trying to assign nonexistent symbol SCSI_MEGARAID
[02:42] <joris_> there you go
[02:42] <LinuxJones> joris_, stop
[02:42] <kapputu> use www.pastebin.com
[02:42] <derJunior> joris_: nopaste.info <-- past something like that here
[02:42] <joris_> lol sorry :)
[02:42] <joris_> but can you guys see the errors?
[02:43] <derJunior> yes, but i really don't understand what you are trying
[02:43] <derJunior> what command ist pwd?
[02:43] <joris_> jsut to show you the directory
[02:43] <joris_> that's all
[02:43] <derJunior> oh
[02:43] <derJunior> isn't ls easier?
[02:43] <joris_> all i'm doing is running make menuconfig from /usr/src/linux
[02:43] <derJunior> *G*
[02:44] <derJunior> jordi: ls -l /usr/src/linux
[02:44] <Aard> derJunior: you should read man pwd and man ls. really.
[02:44] <joris_> sh-2.05b# ls -l /usr/src/linux
[02:44] <joris_> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     src            20 2004-10-31 14:40 /usr/src/linux -> /usr/src/linux-2.6.9
[02:45] <derJunior> Aard: okay i will do it :)
[02:45] <joris_> i don't get it :(
[02:45] <joris_> I cannot compile this kernel and without that i cannot access my aft32 partition
[02:46] <joris_> since there's no fat32 support in the kernel that shipped with 4.10
[02:46] <derJunior> Aard: okay now i know the differense
[02:46] <kent> joris_, isn't it?
[02:46] <joris_> no :(
[02:46] <Aard> joris_: modprobe vfat or something like this?
[02:46] <joris_> well
[02:46] <joris_> when i use the vfat type
[02:46] <joris_> it mounts
[02:46] <MagicFab> Looking for help to perform a backup before trying Ubuntu
[02:46] <TJL2> anybody here any good at troubleshooting alsa? my sound has suddenly gone weird today!
[02:47] <MagicFab> What would be the syntax for archiving my whole (existing) /home directory ?
[02:47] <joris_> I can see nicely all the directory's etc., but when i go back to gnome, gnome says those directory's are unknown files
[02:47] <joris_> very strange aswell
[02:47] <TJL2> everything sounds warbly
[02:47] <crimsun> MagicFab: tar cf /tmp/home.tar /home
[02:47] <MagicFab> crimsun> tx. what would restore it ?
[02:47] <crimsun> MagicFab: presuming you have enough space in /tmp to create an archive of /home
[02:47] <kent> joris_, i dont think a new kernel will help you.
[02:48] <joris_> hmm
[02:48] <MagicFab> crimsun> will tar compress too ?
[02:48] <crimsun> MagicFab: tar xf home.tar
[02:48] <crimsun> MagicFab: no, tar only archives.
[02:48] <joris_> well how should i mount my fat32 partition then?
[02:48] <TJL2> cp /tmp/home.tar / && cd / && tar xf home.tar
[02:48] <derJunior> jordi: do you mount as root?
[02:48] <kent> joris_,  mount -t vfat /dev/where /mount/point..
[02:49] <joris_> yeah, that's what i'm doing, and that works for 50%. Kent
[02:49] <derJunior> joris_: i mean
[02:49] <joris_> In my terminal i can se ethigns nicely, but in Gnome everything looks screwed
[02:49] <kent> joris_, could you take a screenshot and send it to me? :)
[02:49] <joris_> sure thing :p
[02:50] <derJunior> joris_: me to?
[02:50] <rwabel> hi
[02:51] <joris_> sure
[02:51] <rwabel> is it normal that with ubuntu the kde programs all need root permission to start?
[02:51] <joris_> kent, can you give me a mailaddress?
[02:51] <joris_> in PM
[02:51] <kapputu> any suggestions for a DynDns client ???
[02:52] <kent> joris_, nyberg.kent@spray.se  but you could send it over dcc in irc aswell, but its ok with mail.
[02:52] <MagicFab> rwabel> Ubuntu runs as the first user it's setup with, root
[02:52] <MagicFab> rwabel> are you talking about another user you created ?
[02:53] <rwabel> MagicGab: no
[02:53] <rwabel> when start it normally they crash
[02:53] <rwabel> when I start with sudo they work fine
[02:53] <MagicFab> rwabel> r u asked for a password everytime ? What's the application(s)
[02:53] <rwabel> imgview
[02:53] <rwabel> gwenview
[02:53] <kapputu> firefox just crashed on me :-(
[02:54] <rwabel> no he asks me only once for the password in the same terminal
[02:54] <MagicFab> rwabel> usually you're _always_ running as root, from what I've seen
[02:54] <MagicFab> why would you need to sudo ?
[02:54] <rwabel> root user is diasbled on ubuntu by default
[02:54] <joris_> kent and derJunior, you got mail
[02:54] <joris_> take a look at it
[02:54] <derJunior> joris_: one moment
[02:54] <rwabel> because of kde problems I guess ;-)
[02:54] <MagicFab> rwabel> it's my understanding that the first user you setup is the same as root, no matter what
[02:55] <rwabel> k3b you have to start with sudo otherwise it doesn't work
[02:55] <Gmail> http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002ZAEY0.01-A1NDBS7YGOPBD6._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
[02:55] <MagicFab> that's what lets you go configure pretty much everything (a common complaint I've seen around)
[02:55] <Gmail> opps wrong tab
[02:55] <rwabel> MagicFab: you don't have root permission with the user you set up. it's a normal user. root user is disabled (doesn't exist on ubuntu)
[02:55] <suifur> MagicFab: no user can be setup "as root", he can be given privelages etc., but he's still not uid 0 gid 0
[02:56] <MagicFab> Can someone confirm what I'm saying ? Haven't tried much stuff except the Live CD version
[02:56] <MagicFab> suifur> tx. I should stop velieving every review :)
[02:56] <rwabel> fact is that several kde programs only work when I use sudo
[02:56] <suifur> MagicFab: most of the people do reviews are biased, uneducated, and at best... mildly retarded
[02:57] <suifur> rwabel: hence why i hate kde ;)
[02:57] <kent> joris_, it looks strange indeed :)
[02:57] <MagicFab> suifur> well, that was on linuxfr.org , usually they know their stuff
[02:57] <rwabel> suifur: hehe I hate it too, but some applications are worth to use them on gnome too
[02:57] <suifur> MagicFab: heh, they must have misunderstood the setup
[02:57] <MagicFab> suifur> so what's one to do if root is needed ?
[02:57] <joris_> haha that's what i mean kent :)
[02:57] <suifur> MagicFab: shouldn't be... sudo should suffice
[02:58] <MagicFab> suifur> that's what I meant
[02:58] <suifur> ah i see
[02:58] <joris_> But i wanna get it straight, by adding ntfs support to my kernel, but checkout the lower window and watch the errors i get when i close the make menuconfig thing
[02:58] <rwabel> I get that error message when starting showimg normally
[02:58] <rwabel> trying to create local folder: Permission denied
[02:58] <rwabel> failed to create /home/rwabel/.kde/socket-ralph/
[02:58] <rwabel> trying to create local folder: Permission denied
[02:58] <rwabel> failed to create /home/rwabel/.kde/socket-ralph/
[02:58] <rwabel> kdeinit: Aborting. bind() failed: : Permission denied
[02:58] <rwabel> Could not bind to socket '/home/rwabel/.kde/socket-ralph/kdeinit__0'
[02:58] <rwabel> ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't setup DCOP communication.
[02:58] <Treenaks> joris_: you don't want to recompile your kernel, NTFS support is included
[02:59] <derJunior> joris_: what right have this directories?
[02:59] <suifur> i'm a convert from Debian Sarge, to this... got tired of configging EVERYTHING in the system, Ubuntu does it for me :)
[02:59] <GeosB> why use ubuntu not the last mesa system ?
[02:59] <joris_> Err dunno
[02:59] <derJunior> no it can not be the problem
[02:59] <rwabel> when I start it with sudo it works fine, but it fucks up thee .ICEauthority
[02:59] <kent> joris_, I have no clue at all whats wrong, only guessing either corrupted filesystem or maybe som problem with the language-code (or what ever its called)?
[02:59] <Treenaks> GeosB: "last mesa system" ?
[02:59] <joris_> Yeah
[02:59] <Treenaks> rwabel: use gksu
[03:00] <GeosB> glxinfo tell it  the old 404
[03:00] <GeosB> and not the new 6.2
[03:00] <Treenaks> GeosB: so?
[03:00] <LinuxJones> rwabel, kde is unsupported on Ubuntu
[03:00] <rwabel> treenaks: Failed to run showimg as user root:
[03:00] <rwabel>  Child terminated with 1 status
[03:00] <helkanaur> Im new to linux. Just installed Ubuntu... feels like I have jumped into deep water.. and I'm not shure if I can swim :/
[03:00] <joris_> Well kent, i used PQMagic to convert the old ntfs fs to fat32, could that be the problem?
[03:00] <rwabel> linuxjones: well is kde as window manager unsupported or the kde applications?
[03:00] <suifur> helkanaur: try installing slackware or debian, then you'd be in deep water
[03:01] <helkanaur> hehe :)
[03:01] <suifur> helkanaur: you're just going to be fighting a steep learning curve
[03:01] <rwabel> helkanaur: it's quit easy to swim with ubuntu ;-)
[03:01] <kent> joris_, dont know. Perhaps you could run scandisk or some other sort of filesystem-check program on windows to see if its something wrong with the filesystem?
[03:01] <suifur> helkanaur: http://linuxfordummies.org <--- lots of good tutorials :)
[03:01] <helkanaur> Ah.. thanks.
[03:01] <suifur> im one of the maintainers there :)
[03:01] <helkanaur> :)
[03:02] <GeosB> ore try the new mepis 2004.04 and it have java on  to
[03:02] <rwabel> Treenaks: gksu can't work when there is no root user, right?
[03:02] <suifur> helkanaur: we have an irc channel too, #lfd
[03:02] <LinuxJones> rwabel, everything is unsupported right now.
[03:03] <rwabel> linuxjones: ahh ok, any chance that this will be fixed?
[03:03] <joris_> well the fs is availible for me in windows kent
[03:04] <joris_> In Windows everything works fine
[03:04] <Treenaks> rwabel: there IS a root user.. it's just disabled
[03:04] <LinuxJones> rwabel, they are planning to support in future releases but Ubuntu is a Gnome based distro and that will be their main focus.
[03:04] <Treenaks> rwabel: gksu = sudo for X
[03:04] <rwabel> treenaks: ah thanks
[03:05] <derJunior> rwabel: you can use the su command
[03:05] <LinuxJones> rwabel, If you really like KDE then maybe you will be better off, for now, using another distro ;)
[03:05] <rwabel> linuxjones: that's what I like about ubuntu it's gnome based, but some kde application support would make it the best
[03:05] <restrex> hi guys
[03:05] <rwabel> linuxjones: I don't want kde, but I want to run some applications like showimg and gwenview
[03:05] <joris_> anyone else that can help me out with this filesystem crap? :(
[03:05] <LinuxJones> rwabel, ya There are a few apps that I really like (K3b) :)
[03:05] <kent> joris_, you could run scandisk anyway, maybe it will report errors?
[03:06] <joris_> yeah ok
[03:06] <rwabel> k3b is unbeatale, but same problem
[03:06] <joris_> i'll give it a try
[03:06] <derJunior> a life without k3b ist really bad *G*
[03:06] <joris_> thanks for your help m8y
[03:06] <derJunior> it's the only KDE tool i use under gnome
[03:06] <joris_> i'm rebooting to Windows..
[03:06] <rwabel> the only other cd burning tool that works is xcdroast
[03:06] <derJunior> rwabel: but it isn't such easy and confortable as k3b
[03:07] <rwabel> treenaks: but gksu must work different. gksu doesn't work but sudo does
[03:07] <Treenaks> rwabel: it might.. but what are you trying to run?
[03:08] <rwabel> derJunior: that's right! I used it because I first could make k3b to work. then I found the how to ;-)
[03:08] <rwabel> treenaks: showimg and also gwenview
[03:08] <restrex> LinuxJones, hi, emm, how can i configure mi internet adsl connection? I have configured by pppoeconf, and the computer connects, but I don't know... my computer doesn't connect to internet, and I've made pings by console (www.google.cl) but it can't reslove host...    :) :S
[03:08] <Treenaks> rwabel: what are they?
[03:08] <Treenaks> rwabel: and why would you want to run them as root?
[03:09] <rwabel> treenaks: image viewers, because when I start them as user they crash
[03:09] <restrex> oh, sorry, this irc client is so bad :S
[03:09] <Napo> restrex: do you have a ip address now on your interface?
[03:09] <restrex> yes
[03:09] <Treenaks> rwabel:  well, you could look at the error message..
[03:09] <Treenaks> rwabel: and running them as root is NOT a good idea
[03:09] <restrex> i put  192.168.0.6 :)
[03:10] <kapputu> hi restrex
[03:10] <restrex> know i'm connecting by proxy
[03:10] <restrex> hii :D
[03:10] <restrex> :P
[03:10] <rwabel> treenaks: I know it's not the best.
[03:10] <rwabel> treenaks: that's the error message:
[03:10] <rwabel> trying to create local folder: Permission denied
[03:10] <rwabel> failed to create /home/rwabel/.kde/socket-ralph/
[03:10] <rwabel> trying to create local folder: Permission denied
[03:10] <rwabel> failed to create /home/rwabel/.kde/socket-ralph/
[03:10] <rwabel> kdeinit: Aborting. No write access to '/home/rwabel/.ICEauthority'.
[03:10] <rwabel> ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Can't setup DCOP communication.
[03:10] <Napo> restrex: yes ... but ... you have'nt a internet addres? Only to understand if the connection is working
[03:10] <kapputu> LinuxJones: I'm looking for a good DynDns client, I'm behind two routers, so it must be kinda easy to set this up
[03:10] <kapputu> any clues ?
[03:10] <bkw> With livecd one's able to configure more in detail during the installation, have I understood the diffrence correctly?
[03:10] <restrex> mm
[03:10] <restrex> yes
[03:11] <Treenaks> rwabel: remove .ICEauthority..
[03:11] <restrex> the connection is working, but know I configured this pc to access inet by socks proxy
[03:11] <Treenaks> rwabel: is your home directory owned by you? and the .kde directory? and everything in it?
[03:11] <Treenaks> rwabel: that might be the problem..
[03:11] <restrex> how can i configure mi internet adsl connection? I have configured by pppoeconf, and the computer connects,
[03:12] <restrex> but I don't know... my computer doesn't connect to internet, and I've made pings by console (www.google.cl) but it can't reslove host...    :) :S
[03:12] <Napo> restrex: if you ping a numeric ip address (like 66.102.11.99 = www.google.cl) you have problems?
[03:12] <restrex> yes
[03:12] <rwabel> treenaks: home dir is owned by myself but the .kde is owned by root
[03:12] <restrex> !  it doesn'r resol host
[03:12] <restrex> !  it doesn't resolve host
[03:12] <restrex> :S
[03:12] <Treenaks> rwabel: well, chown it to be owned by you..
[03:12] <Treenaks> rwabel: including everything in it
[03:13] <Treenaks> rwabel: and don't run KDE programs as root
[03:13] <Treenaks> rwabel: (except using gksu)
[03:13] <netmonk> anyone with Ubuntu and Toshiba Satellite????
[03:13] <rwabel> treenaks: thanks, I'll try that
[03:14] <netmonk> anyone with Ubuntu and Toshiba Satellite????
[03:14] <Treenaks> netmonk: asking once is enough
[03:14] <restrex> mmm
[03:14] <netmonk> sory Treenaks
[03:14] <restrex> Napo, I want to cennet to internet directly because I want to update apt
[03:14] <restrex> :S
[03:15] <restrex> I can't access to packeges with socks v4 connection
[03:15] <restrex> :S
[03:15] <rwabel> treenaks: works fine now. cool
[03:15] <rwabel> treenaks: do you know why .kde is owned by root and not by the user?
[03:15] <Treenaks> rwabel: you started a KDE app as root.
[03:16] <restrex> how can I configure apt to connect by proxy socks? I know how to connect, but by http proxy and ftp, but I have only socks v4
[03:16] <restrex> :S
[03:16] <rwabel> treenaks: I started k3b with sudo, right
[03:17] <timothy> netmonk: depending on what your question about it is ... I have a Toshiba satellite and can start it up with the Ubuntu live CD.
[03:17] <Treenaks> rwabel: there you go...
[03:18] <timothy> netmonk: I'd be no help with anything network related about it, though -- I think the PCMCIA slots are dead on the Satellite.
[03:18] <timothy> This offer good only until I go to breakfast :)
[03:19] <rwabel> treenaks: but I must run it with sudo for cd burning :-(
[03:19] <Treenaks> rwabel: gksu!
[03:19] <Treenaks> just told you
[03:20] <rwabel> well I did with sudo
[03:20] <rwabel> but it's the same finally
[03:20] <Treenaks> yes, but that breaks X apps. gksu does not
[03:20] <rwabel> how can I enable the root user so I can use gksu?
[03:21] <Treenaks> rwabel: you don't need to!
[03:22] <Treenaks> ah ok
[03:22] <Treenaks> wait
[03:22] <Treenaks> it's called 'gksudo'
[03:22] <rwabel> treenaks: but gksu doesn't accept the password
[03:22] <netmonk> Treenaks, I need help with acpi on my toshiba
[03:23] <bob2> rwabel: enter your password?
[03:23] <Treenaks> netmonk: I don't know anything about Toshiba laptops, sorry
[03:23] <rwabel> gksudo was the hint
[03:23] <rwabel> gksu doesn't work
[03:23] <rwabel> but gksudo works witht he password
[03:23] <netmonk> sory, I meant timothy, I need help with acpi and toshiba
[03:24] <wims> i installed ubuntu, but the installer didn't detect my windows xp so GRUB doesn't have an option for win. How do i fix this?
[03:25] <Echylo> what is a good c++ working enviroment in ubuntu?
[03:25] <Treenaks> Echylo: vim, make, gnu autotools
[03:25] <rwabel> wims: you can add it manually
[03:25] <timothy> netmonk: hmmm. Does your help require Ubuntu to be *installed* on the laptop, or just running? I think that ACPI questions would only be applicable to a system with Ubuntu installed, sadly.
[03:25] <Echylo> treenaks, I mean something like dev c++
[03:25] <Echylo> does that exists for linux?
[03:25] <Treenaks> Echylo: vim, make and gnu autotools.
[03:25] <restrex> ohhhh
[03:26] <timothy> netomonk -- Which might happen on that particular laptop soon, but not yet.
[03:26] <timothy> netmonk rather
[03:26] <netmonk> timothy: yes, Ubuntu is running fine, I can't get stand-by to work
[03:26] <wims> i've added, but i can't find the grub-update script
[03:26] <restrex> how did you connect to internet under Ubuntu??? I cannot connect !!!! :'''''''''(
[03:26] <timothy> netmonk: Ah, I don't think I can be any help to you on that front, then, sorry.
[03:26] <netmonk> np
[03:26] <netmonk> ;)
[03:27] <rwabel> wims: do you have grubconf?
[03:27] <wims> i don't know, i just installed ubuntu
[03:27] <rwabel> treenaks: gksudo only works for k3b, but not for imageview gwenview...how strange that is
[03:27] <cenerentola> I GOT IT... I DID IT...
[03:27] <Capri> Echylo: source navigator
[03:27] <Treenaks> rwabel: don't use any kind of gksu'ing for image viewers!
[03:28] <Treenaks> rwabel: do they give new error messages?
[03:28] <Echylo> Capri, is it good?
[03:29] <Capri> I use it. You can find better IDEs.
[03:29] <restrex> somebody can help me??????
[03:30] <Echylo> restrex, what's the problem?
[03:30] <restrex> i can't connect to internet
[03:30] <restrex> ! i have configured pppoeconf
[03:30] <Echylo> what is your type of connection?
[03:30] <Echylo> ethernet?
[03:30] <Echylo> dial up
[03:30] <restrex> adsl pppeo
[03:30] <rwabel> treenaks: well they work now after changing the owner group. but still strange why gksudo works with k3b and not witht he others
[03:31] <bob2> Treenaks: I have to take issue with that
[03:31] <bob2> Treenaks: "good" and 'autotools' should not be used together
[03:31] <Echylo> it seems you have dial up, you're rather slow :p
[03:32] <restrex> jajajajajaja
[03:32] <restrex> :P
[03:32] <restrex> no wi'm connect by socks v4 proxy
[03:32] <restrex> cause   i cannot connect directly
[03:33] <Echylo> you're dutch
[03:33] <Echylo> and it is I who has problems
[03:33] <Echylo> with internet speed :|
[03:35] <cenerentola> does someon know what psutility are?
[03:35] <kent> cenerentola, the command "ps"?
[03:36] <Kostas-paok-fan> yo homies
[03:36] <Kostas-paok-fan> i'm now downloading ubuntu linux how its like???
[03:37] <Echylo> great :-)
[03:37] <cenerentola> kent: its something like fine print
[03:37] <Mariux3> it sucks, thats why we all hang out here
[03:37] <Echylo> yea, we actually don't like it, but we have to use it from Evil Ubuntu Master
[03:37] <kent> restrex, Computer->Desktop Pref->Proxy..  that not what your looking for?
[03:37] <cenerentola> to print on a a5 or a6
[03:38] <kent> cenerentola, like ps as in postscript?
[03:38] <restrex> there i hace configured the socks proxy
[03:38] <cenerentola> echylo: what ?
[03:38] <cenerentola> kent: dunno...
[03:38] <Echylo> nvm :-
[03:38] <Echylo> :)
[03:38] <cenerentola> im just asking if someone
[03:38] <Napo> cenerentola: what do you need to print?
[03:38] <cenerentola> knows ithem
[03:39] <bob2> cenerentola: do you mean the "psutils" package?
[03:39] <Napo> cenerentola: thereis gnome-photo-print
[03:39] <cenerentola> ive read that  a guy uses that PSutility
[03:39] <kent> restrex, just thought it might help. I dont know how proxy works. My ADSL use dhcp and everything "just works". ;)
[03:39] <bob2> cenerentola: what is your actual question?
[03:39] <cenerentola> to print pdfs in a small
[03:39] <bob2> then you want psnup.
[03:40] <cenerentola> bob2: do you know a nice way to print how tos in a5
[03:40] <restrex> ok, = thanks kent :)
[03:40] <bob2> cenerentola: use the "psnup" program.
[03:41] <Todd_MA_1975> Anybody able to help troubleshoot a sound/alsa problem in Hoary?
[03:42] <cenerentola> which obviously aint in any ubuntu repository
[03:42] <bob2> please don't use hoary
[03:42] <bob2> cenerentola: yes it is
[03:42] <bob2> cenerentola: I already said it was in the "psutils" package
[03:43] <kent> Todd_MA_1975, if your using Hoary your supposed to, well.. do it for testing and stuff. Then its YOU who should troubleshoot and report bugs, not people who should help you..  just guessing though :)
[03:43] <deatheater> poor bob2 no one listens to you
[03:43] <deatheater> so much for community mwa ha ha
[03:43] <bob2> yeah, I dream of a community that does my bidding
[03:43] <bob2> "ubuntu users...get me a sandwich"
[03:43] <deatheater> my lspci is better than yours :-p
[03:44] <netmonk> how can I add fonts in Ubuntu?
[03:44] <bob2> netmonk: drop them in ~/.fonts/ or fonts:/// in nautilus
[03:44] <deatheater> ick how very window esk
[03:44] <netmonk> bob2, i did but it wont let me copy the fonts in that folder, any ideas?
[03:45] <Todd_MA_1975> Thanks Kent.... I'm trying to get there...I've gotten good at figuring a lot of things out..but hit a wall with this one.
[03:45] <bob2> there's a bug about that, iirc
[03:46] <cenerentola> deatheater: maybe the problem is...
[03:46] <deatheater> 1 + 1 = 11
[03:46] <Echylo> heeey question about sourcenav
[03:46] <Echylo> how ya launch it?
[03:46] <Echylo> cause I installed it through sourcenav
[03:47] <Echylo> but I can't retrieve it
[03:47] <bob2> you mean "through synaptic"?
[03:47] <bob2> dpkg -L sourcenav | grep boin
[03:47] <bob2> er, bin
[03:48] <Echylo> yea through synaptic
[03:48] <Echylo> :s
[03:50] <netmonk> bob2 it workes now with the fonts, 10x
[03:51] <bob2> what did you have to do?
[03:51] <Echylo> ok found sourcenav :)
[03:51] <netmonk> probably I was not doing something right the first time I tryed
[03:53] <kapputu> hi GotD0t
[03:53] <kapputu> how do I make a Perl script run at boot ?
[03:53] <kapputu> is there a rc.local file ?
[03:53] <bob2> no
[03:53] <kode4u> my ubuntu timezone has error, it's later than my zone time 7hours
[03:53] <deatheater> hmmm wow the locate command
[03:53] <kode4u> why?
[03:53] <kapputu> use update-rc.d defaults 99 ?
[03:53] <kapputu> hey ogra
[03:54] <kapputu> welcome back !!
[03:54] <bob2> kapputu: copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/whatever, modify it, install it with update-rc.d
[03:55] <kapputu> I just change the variables at the top right ?
[03:56] <cenerentola> ogra: no more stupid question now on... im a new person
[03:56] <ogra> hi all
[03:56] <ogra> cenerentola: ?
[03:56] <rebirth> i've used unix/linux for years
[03:56] <rebirth> this is the single best distro ive used
[03:56] <rebirth> :x
[03:56] <kapputu> rebirth will now be known as amr
[03:56] <kapputu> :-)
[03:57] <dredg> rebirth: why? were you utterly shocked to have a fully working desktop too? :)
[03:57] <ogra> cenerentola: did they help you
[03:57] <kode4u> after I adjust ubuntu time, my windows's time will be wrong. :(
[03:58] <kapputu> ogra: what do I edit in the /etc/init.d/skeleton to make it run a Perl script at boot ?
[03:58] <amathis> how do I re enable the gui login screen?
[03:58] <kapputu> hi amathis
[03:58] <amathis> my computer all of a sudden got messed up
[03:58] <ogra> kapputu: why should one do this ? skeleton is for defaults....
[03:59] <amathis> because mesa3d uninstalled my nvidia drivers
[03:59] <amathis> and xmms won't work..
[03:59] <kapputu> ogra: that's what bob2 told me
[03:59] <amathis> how do I re-enable my login screen?
[03:59] <ogra> kapputu: copy it, so it has a new name
[03:59] <bob2> I told kapputu to copy it
[04:00] <kapputu> I mean after copying it , what should I change ?
[04:00] <bob2> whatever you need to
[04:00] <ogra> mdz: ?
[04:00] <bob2> the top bits are probably enough, but it depends entirely on what you're trying to do
[04:00] <kapputu> I just want a perl script to run when I boot
[04:00] <kapputu> nothing else
[04:00] <kode4u> no one can help me?
[04:00] <amathis> ogra, how do I re-enable my gui login screen?
[04:01] <bob2> kode4u: you need to provide more information
[04:01] <sven-eric> Hi There! Does anybody know how to turn off the display of mounted devices on the gnome-desktop?
[04:01] <bob2> kode4u: oh, windows is doing it?  this is in the faq.
[04:01] <kode4u> bob2, my time zone is error
[04:01] <ogra> mdz: is there any way to prevent a module form loading at boot without renaming/copying ? looks ugly to move snd-intel8x0m to get sound working on my tecra 8200
[04:02] <bob2> kode4u: yes, you need to read the faq
[04:02] <bob2> ogra: /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[04:02] <kode4u> but after I install debian, it's timezone is corrected
[04:02] <ogra> bob2: not enough :(
[04:02] <bob2> ogra: to do what?
[04:02] <kode4u> bob2, can u give me the faq's url?
[04:02] <ogra> bob2: gets still loaded on boot
[04:02] <bob2> kode4u: did you tell ubuntu that your clock is not set to GMT?
[04:02] <bob2> kode4u: edit /etc/default/rcS
[04:03] <bob2> ogra: by what?
[04:03] <mjr> sven-eric, the gconf key /apps/nautilus/desktop/volumes_visible would seem to control what you want
[04:03] <amathis> bob2, how can I re-enable my gui login screen?
[04:03] <kode4u> bob2, no, how to do this?
[04:03] <bob2> kode4u: do you know how to edit config files?
[04:03] <bob2> amathis: how did you disable it?
[04:03] <amathis> bob2, I didn't
[04:03] <wims> is it just me, or do i have to download and install gcc manually?
[04:03] <amathis> bob2, ubuntu did.
[04:03] <siretart> hi. anybody help me with vim? Whenever I start vim, it hangs. Pressing CTRL-c afterwards, I get "error executing /usr/share/vim/vimrc", line 1:
[04:03] <amathis> bob2, because mesa3d fscked up my nvidia drivers
[04:03] <ogra> bob2: i got a toshiba tecra 8200 here, there is a modemcard built in, it loads the intel module which is recognized as a soundcard...and prevents the ymfpci form working :(
[04:04] <bob2> amathis: no, ubuntu did not disable anything
[04:04] <siretart> anybody can give me hints to get a clue whats going on?
[04:04] <amathis> bob2, I got that working but now I need to get my login screen back
[04:04] <amathis> bob2, yes it did
[04:04] <bob2> amathis: unbreak whatever you did
[04:04] <amathis> bob2, are you calling me a liar?
[04:04] <bob2> wims: apt-get install build-essential
[04:04] <kode4u> bob2, yes. I'm trying to modify the file. thks!
[04:04] <bob2> amathis: bah, whatever
[04:05] <bob2> kode4u: change UTC=yes to UTC=no
[04:05] <amathis> bob2, mesa3d messed up my nvidia-glx package.. so when I logged out  a window popped up and said that they had disabled the login screen and it took me to CLI
[04:05] <ogra> bob2: there seems no sane way to prevent modules from loading in  2.6 .... looks weird....other people had this with ipv6 before...
[04:05] <amathis> bob2, so where is the fscking window to re-enable it? I have fixed the driver problem
[04:05] <bob2> ogra: no, everything should be loaded by hotplug, so /etc/hotplug/blacklist is enough
[04:05] <ogra> bob2: nope, tried it....
[04:06] <bob2> ogra: there are some exceptions like ipv6, but a soundcard driver should be blocked
[04:06] <dredg> ogra: it can be done. setting 'alias net-pf-10 off' will disable loading ipv6
[04:06] <kode4u> my UTC has seted to no.
[04:06] <bob2> ogra: hrm, I'm outta my depth then, try on the list
[04:06] <kode4u> bob2, my UTC is no.
[04:06] <bob2> kode4u: ?
[04:06] <dredg> amathis: try: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[04:06] <bob2> kode4u: you changed it to that or that's what it was set to originally?
[04:06] <sven-eric> Thanks, mjr
[04:07] <ogra> bob2: its solved,no need for the list, but its very ugly....
[04:07] <bob2> ogra: if you have to rename the module, something is buggy
[04:07] <kode4u> the setting is UTC=no, but time still error.
[04:08] <ogra> bob2: hmm, k, i'll drop the question in the list....
[04:08] <kapputu> ogra: what's the default ssh port ?
[04:08] <bob2> kode4u: you changed it to say that, or it said that to begin with?
[04:08] <ogra> kapputu: 22 i think
[04:08] <bob2> 22.
[04:09] <ogra> bob2: i think its loaded by alsa as a dependency, so blacklisting in hotplug didnt help....
[04:09] <NickFormerlyKnow> morning everyone
[04:09] <bob2> I don't think the non-hardware alsa modules depend on hardware ones
[04:10] <ogra> bob2: hmm....
[04:10] <kode4u> bob2, I dont modify the rcS, UTC=no originally.
[04:10] <paines> hi
[04:10] <ogra> bob2: but why wouldnt blacklisting not help then ?
[04:11] <bob2> ogra: I don't know, it's very odd
[04:11] <ogra> bob2: yep
[04:11] <NickFormerlyKnow> general tech question: Do ISOs only boot if the disc is CD-R instead of RW?
[04:11] <kapputu> dyndns not working for me :-(
[04:11] <bob2> NickFormerlyKnow: no
[04:12] <bob2> NickFormerlyKnow: but your drive might be dodgy and have that problem
[04:12] <bob2> kode4u: I don't know then, sorry; try the list.
[04:12] <NickFormerlyKnow> bob2:ah, k, thanks
[04:12] <paines> i cannot scan for my cdrom drivers with cdrecord. any idea how to fix this ?
[04:12] <bob2> paines: don't bother scanning
[04:12] <bob2> paines: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc foo.iso ...
[04:12] <bob2> use the device node directly
[04:12] <GotD0t> paines: to scan you need to use sudo
[04:13] <paines> well even with sudo it doesn't works
[04:13] <kode4u> bob2, where I can find faq about it? can u give me a url about this topic? thanks
[04:13] <paines> bob2, i.c.
[04:13] <bob2> don't bother scanning
[04:13] <bob2> since you already know where your drive is
[04:14] <arun--> anybody has moved from Xfree86 to Xorg without much problems?
[04:14] <bob2> arun--: ubuntu doesn't have x.org yet.
[04:14] <bob2> if you want to do it yourself, you're on your own
[04:14] <ogra> arun--: wait for hoary ;)
[04:14] <ogra> arun--: only 5 months to go, then its default ;)
[04:15] <tuhl> Is Mark online?
[04:15] <bob2> no
[04:15] <bob2> kode4u: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-20.4373491988
[04:15] <tuhl> bob2: waht is is nic?
[04:16] <bob2> tuhl: he's not online, just email him.
[04:16] <ogra> thul: network interface card ?
[04:16] <NickFormerlyKnow> so will the next release of Ubuntu come out in six months? or will it be sooner?
[04:16] <bob2> kode4u: tho you say that didn't fix your problem; try the list.
[04:16] <kode4u> bob2, thanks!!!
[04:16] <bob2> NickFormerlyKnow: six months after warty, so 5.5 months from no
[04:16] <NickFormerlyKnow> bob2: cool, thanks again
[04:17] <NickFormerlyKnow> bob2: I'm currently installing Ubuntu for the first time, to give it a whirl
[04:17] <arun--> bob2: i know, but the performance of my ATI on xfree86 is horible
[04:17] <GotD0t> arun did you try using the accelerated drivers?
[04:18] <arun--> GotD0t: you mean the fglrx? i tried, had errors trying to load the module .. i guess ATI Mobility Radeon 7500 is not supported
[04:18] <amathis> does anyone know where you can change the picture on your login screen?
[04:18] <bob2> arun--: ask on the list, daniel or fabio will be able to help you
[04:19] <GotD0t> arun-- i think it should be... i would google it
[04:19] <bob2> amathis: "sudo gdmsetup" or look in the computer -> system menu
[04:19] <amathis> dear lord, was that so hard bob2? I might be able to re-enable it now.
[04:19] <arun--> GotD0t: what is the utility to create the Xfree86 config file? fglrxconfig?
[04:19] <kapput1> has anyone got DynDns to work behind two routers ?
[04:19] <bob2> amathis: please stop being a dick to people helping you.
[04:20] <arun--> GotD0t: that utility didnt list my card as supported
[04:20] <amathis> bob2, I asked basically the same question earlier. I would think you were being the dick telling me that ubuntu didn't disable anything when I saw a window come up that said taht ubuntu had disabled it
[04:20] <bob2> amathis: no, you asked a completely different question
[04:20] <ogra> amathis: pleas
[04:21] <ogra> amathis: e
[04:21] <dredg> amathis: ubuntu didnt disable anything. gdm disabled itself because it couldnt start
[04:21] <GotD0t> arun-- then ask on the list
[04:21] <bob2> amathis: and the popup said something like "X is failing to start, disabling"
[04:21] <dredg> you fixed it, restarted gdm and problem goes away
[04:21] <amathis> x can start just fine.
[04:21] <dredg> youre welcome
[04:21] <amathis> x never had a problem starting.
[04:22] <amathis> reboot.
[04:22] <dredg> wtf?
[04:22] <bob2> what a lovely young chap
[04:22] <ogra> he asked some days ago how to disable gdm
[04:22] <bob2> oh god
[04:22] <dredg> you want free help from random people. you get what you pay for
[04:23] <ogra> as he wanted to login on the commandline in any case.....didnt want gdm
[04:23] <ogra> startx was what he was used to, he didnt want this dammned gdm thingy
[04:24] <dredg> ok, nuf said :)
[04:24] <bob2> ah well
[04:24] <ogra> so its his own choice....
[04:24] <bob2> sorted now, but it is annoying when people dig their own hole
[04:24] <ogra> yep
[04:25] <ogra> especially if you are bombed with questions and someone rants all the time
[04:25] <ogra> heh,its fun to support .... sometimes
[04:28] <bob2> hm, I can't even get my website password sent to me
[04:29] <altan> AGH I feel like taking a bat to my computer
[04:29] <topyli> altan: yep, that'll do it
[04:30] <amathis> ok, this is annoying me... when I install mesa3d libs it takes off nvidia-glx
[04:30] <altan> I rebooted because things were feeling a bit quirky, and when it came up things just started to act really strangely, wvdialconf kept deleting itself and lots of permissions errors
[04:30] <amathis> so I cannot compile anything using GL.
[04:30] <bob2> amathis: yes you can
[04:30] <vinsci> amathis, it should
[04:30] <amathis> do you want to see the errors?
[04:30] <altan> I knew it, Gnome has brought my downfall
[04:30] <altan> I'm on Knoppix now
[04:30] <amathis> it cannot find gl/GL.h
[04:30] <ogra> cenerentola: would you be so kind to tell daniels if hes around agein that your X prob is solved with a referenc to me, i mailed him your x config yesterday
[04:30] <bob2> amathis: did you install that?
[04:30] <amathis> it wokrs fine when mesa3d is installed
[04:30] <amathis> bob2, that is what mesa3d libs are dude.
[04:31] <altan> anyone know why this could be happening? All I did was add an ethernet connection.
[04:31] <bob2> amathis: so you have nvidia-glx-dev installed?
[04:31] <amathis> bob2, no, lemme try that.
[04:31] <bob2> amathis: and please stop acting like an ass
[04:32] <vinsci> amathis, see manual page for "apt-get build-dep", very, very handy
[04:32] <amathis> bob2, hmm, now it cannot find SDL.h.. maybe something I installed ripped it out.. one moment,
[04:33] <bob2> amathis: yes, now you're missing the SDL headers
[04:33] <bob2> in future, it'd be a lot easier for everyone if you came in and said "I'm trying to compile $foo and I get $this error.", instead of making assertions about what the cause is.
[04:33] <ogra> ;)
[04:33] <amathis> bob2, I know what the errors mean.
[04:34] <bob2> amathis: well, no, you didn't in this case.
[04:34] <amathis> I am a dev on the stupid project.. I should know.
[04:34] <amathis> bob2, how didn't I? I knew it couldn't find SDL.h or Gl.h.. what I wanted to know is, what app took those headers out?
[04:34] <bob2> amathis: the cause was you not installing it.
[04:34] <ogra> amathis: they were never in
[04:34] <bob2> but this discussion is pointless.
[04:35] <amathis> ogra, bob2, I remember installing them. I also compiled this yesterday just fine..
[04:35] <bob2> glad you have it working, and do you know about http://packages.debian.org/?  very handy.
[04:35] <amathis> thank you for telling me about nvidia-glx-dev because mesa3d didn't like nvidia-glx
[04:36] <bob2> yes, they conflict because they provide the same files
[04:36] <vinsci> most debian libs have a -dev variant, amathis
[04:36] <bob2> note that you can't build useful software for other people with the nvidia-glx instealled, tho
[04:36] <amathis> I still want to know what install removed libsdl.
[04:36] <amathis> but whatever.
[04:36] <timello> Hi there, I can't find which package is for postgresql server, anybody help me?
[04:36] <bob2> well, only you can know that, since apt asked and you said ok
[04:36] <bob2> timello: "postgresql"
[04:36] <vinsci> amathis, "apt-get build-dep <package>" installs packages as needed to be able to re-compile a source .deb
[04:37] <cuga> Hey with 512mb of ram on a desktop machine, I don't really need a swap anymore correct?
[04:37] <amathis> ok, x works... all my headers work.. but I still get no graphical login.
[04:37] <vinsci> amathis, so that way, if it doesn't work it's a packaging error - no need to think and tinker
[04:37] <amathis> vinsci, well, I had compiled it from cvs yesterday.
[04:38] <bob2> cuga: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html
[04:38] <amathis> vinsci, I was adding some new bzfs commands to bzflags server, and it compiled great
[04:38] <cenerentola> does rsync have a progress bar?
[04:38] <amathis> vinsci, but thanks
[04:38] <vinsci> amathis, fine. Just use apt-get build-dep next, please .)
[04:38] <bob2> amathis: if you want help to do with gdm, you need to provide more details
[04:38] <bob2> did you disable it?  does "X" work? does "startx"?
[04:38] <bob2> did it work before?
[04:38] <bob2> does it work with the nv driver?
[04:38] <amathis> vinsci, that would help from source files? not deb source
[04:39] <timello> bob2, it shows me "Package postgresql is not available, but is referred to by another package." using apt-get install postgresql
[04:39] <topyli> amathis: always make a package. dpkg will barf if you just install stuff from cvs or source tarballs
[04:39] <bob2> amathis: it would help because it would install the packages you need to have installed to build bzflag
[04:39] <amathis> bob2, ok
[04:39] <bob2> amathis: those buid-deps are the same for debian and for upstream
[04:39] <bob2> (mostly, the debian package might depend on debhelper or such)
[04:39] <cuga> bob2: what the hell is that?
[04:39] <vinsci> amathis, if you build from non-packaged source, you're in the "I know how to do this myself without asking"-category.  ;-)
[04:39] <bob2> timello: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[04:39] <bob2> cuga: a discussion on the topic you just asked about?
[04:40] <cuga> bob2: no, some spyware scan???
[04:40] <bob2> cuga: huh?
[04:40] <cuga> comes up with a page asking to run a program to look for spyware
[04:40] <bob2> cuga: what broweser are you using?
[04:40] <cuga> firefox
[04:40] <amathis> bob2, I installed nvidia-glx and it worked great... I had graphical login. then I could not compile bz, so I installed mesa3d which removed nvidia-glx. I logged out, and a window popped up saying that my graphical login would be disabled, and it took me to CLI.. when I logged in, I typed startx and it worked great.. everything seems to work now except I have to re-enable the graphical login.. that is what the window said to do if I fixed the pro
[04:40] <amathis> blem
[04:40] <ogra> timello: did you refresh your package list ?
[04:41] <bob2> cuga: it's just a normal web page here
[04:41] <cuga> bob2: oh sorry, i thought you typoed sourceforge wrong and put soureforge instead of sourcefrog and it comes up with a page that doesn't look like its friendly
[04:41] <amathis> bob2, so my question is.. where is the little app that will let you enable graphical login/change picture etc.
[04:41] <ogra> amathis: you remember asking me how to disable graphical login last week ? i do
[04:41] <timello> ogra, yes, in my sources.list I have, warty and universe
[04:41] <bob2> cuga: right
[04:41] <cuga> bob2: sourcefrog works fine
[04:41] <amathis> ogra, I installed ubuntu last night dude...
[04:41] <bob2> cuga: it's a pun on sourceforge, I guess
[04:42] <bob2> cuga: cool
[04:42] <ogra> timello: clicked "refresh" in synaptic ?
[04:42] <bob2> amathis: so, you configured X to use the non-free drivers, then let apt remove those non-free drivers?
[04:42] <ogra> timello: or ran: sudo apt-get update ?
[04:42] <bob2> amathis: does "invoke-rc.d gdm start" start it up?
[04:42] <amathis> bob2, yes, it was a stupid mistake. my bad.
[04:42] <amathis> bob2, it did somehing..
[04:42] <amathis> no errors
[04:42] <amathis> wait..
[04:43] <amathis> nevermind.. you want me to do that at CLI?
[04:43] <bob2> yes.
[04:43] <amathis> ok
[04:43] <timello> ogra, reload you mean, yes
[04:43] <amathis> I will try that
[04:43] <arun--> GotD0t: i am looing foraward to Xorg >= 6.8 which has this feature for radeon card "DynamicClocks option (reduced power usage)"
[04:44] <disciple> hi, I'm trying to install ubuntu on a laptop but the installer doesn't detect my pcmcia wireless network card, I know my nic is in the latest kernel and works (prism54), is there anyway to get ubuntu installer to detect it?
[04:44] <timello> ogra, yes, I run apt-cache search postgresql and it shows me a lot of entries about postgresql, but didn't find the server
[04:44] <amathis> bob2, nope :/
[04:44] <bob2> disciple: it should be detected
[04:45] <bob2> amathis: but startx works?
[04:45] <amathis> bob2, yes.. with nvidia splash and everything
[04:45] <disciple> bob2, installer tells me it isn't :(
[04:45] <ogra> timello: so do what bob2 said ;) post your sources.list in #flood
[04:45] <bob2> disciple: try asking on the list, it seems like a bug
[04:45] <amathis> dratz.. xmms doesn't work >_<
[04:45] <bob2> amathis: what happens when you try to start gdm?
[04:46] <amathis> bob2, it didn't do anything..
[04:46] <amathis> it didn't give an error..
[04:46] <kapputu> :-(
[04:46] <amathis> just didn't do anything
[04:46] <disciple> bob2, well is experimental in the kernel, i.e. need 'prompt for developement drivers' in kernel config to see it
[04:46] <topyli> hmm. redhat is not totally bad. the bluecurve gtk1 theme works better than most
[04:46] <bob2> amathis: nothing at all?
[04:46] <amathis> bob2, nope.
[04:47] <bob2> didn't black the screen?  print anything to logs?
[04:47] <bob2> amathis: only nvidia can fix that bug
[04:47] <ogra> timello: youre missing main
[04:47] <amathis> bob2, nothing
[04:47] <amathis> bob2, what was taht command to go to the gdm config gui?
[04:47] <ogra> timello: between warty and universe in the last line
[04:47] <timello> ogra, oh!
[04:47] <timello> ok
[04:47] <bob2> disciple: the ubuntu kernel includes them
[04:47] <timello> I' ll try
[04:47] <timello> thx
[04:48] <bob2> amathis: that config program won't help unless somsone actually told gdm not to start
[04:48] <ogra> timello: and you should uncomment the fist line as well ;)
[04:48] <amathis> bob2, hrm..
[04:48] <bob2> amathis: dpkg -P --force-depends gdm ; apt-get install gdm
[04:49] <bob2> if that doesn't work, ask on the list and explain all that you've tried and modified
[04:49] <amathis> bob2,
[04:49] <amathis> bob2, ok
[04:49] <unitd> one question
[04:49] <unitd> when i draw a selection box on the desktop, my CPU usage spikes, and the box lags
[04:49] <unitd> anyone kno a fix?
[04:50] <amathis> bob2, do you play bzflag?
[04:50] <bob2> yes, pseudo-transparency is fucking slow
[04:50] <bob2> amathis: no
[04:50] <amathis> well, this new release kicks major arse.
[04:50] <unitd> :\ so no fix bob2?
[04:50] <unitd> for gnome
[04:50] <bob2> unitd: don't draw boxes?
[04:50] <amathis> invoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed.
[04:50] <bob2> unitd: I don't know, ask on the list
[04:50] <bob2> wtf?
[04:50] <ogra> ??
[04:51] <bob2> oh well
[04:51] <bob2> crashtime
[04:53] <arun--> when i try installing java 1.4.2 i have this following error, bash: ./j2sdk-1_4_2_06-linux-i586.bin: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[04:53] <ogra> arun--: chomd +x ./j2sdk-1_4_2_06-linux-i586.bin
[04:54] <bob2> or that partition is mounted noexec or user
[04:54] <amathis> bob2, thank you a lot. Sorrty for being grumpy. It works now.
[04:54] <bob2> cool
[04:54] <arun--> ogra: i made a mistake, i did a chmod o+x thinking o = owner
[04:54] <bob2> after purgin and reinstalling?
[04:54] <amathis> bob2, yes
[04:54] <ogra> arun--: o= others
[04:54] <arun--> ogra: thank you
[04:54] <timello> Another question, I can't run the Ubuntu live in a laptop (Compaq nx9005), it stop to running, idea?
[04:55] <bob2> timello: check the bts, there's a bunch of weird live cd bugs
[04:56] <timello> bob2, ok
[04:57] <Hikaru79> Sweet :) Ubuntu's clock automatically adjusted itself for Daylight Savings Time
[04:57] <Hikaru79> How l33t ^ ^
[04:57] <ogra> Hikaru79: 21st century ;)
[04:58] <Hikaru79> Hehe ;P
[04:58] <Hikaru79> Not like back in the stone age when they had to manually set back their hardware clocks ;)
[04:59] <ogra> yeah
[04:59] <Hikaru79> How primitive *rolls eyes*
[04:59] <sparkes> Hikaru79, you mean they moved stonehenge every year? ;-)
[04:59] <ogra> LOL
[04:59] <Hikaru79> Haha xD
[05:00] <zenwhen> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=1710639#1710639
[05:00] <zenwhen> lol
[05:00] <amathis> ok, I loved xmms.. until nvidia gets their heads out of their arses, what is a good music player?
[05:00] <ogra> amathis: rhythmbox ?
[05:01] <ogra> amathis: muine ?
[05:01] <amathis> which is closest to xmms?
[05:01] <amathis> something small..
[05:01] <ogra> amathis: of if youre addicted to xmms the bpm music player
[05:01] <amathis> ok
[05:02] <amathis> hmm
[05:02] <dredg> its good.
[05:02] <ogra> amathis: rhythmbox is thete by default( apps->multimendia->music player)
[05:02] <ogra> there
[05:02] <amathis> ogra, I HATE rythm box :D
[05:02] <ogra> amathis: so take bpm
[05:02] <amathis> hmm
[05:02] <ogra> amathis: bmp, sorry
[05:02] <amathis> apt-cache search bpm doesn't give me anything good..
[05:02] <amathis> oh
[05:02] <amathis> heh
[05:03] <amathis> hmm
[05:03] <amathis> ogra, it doesn't seem to find it in apt-get.
[05:03] <altan> I'm really unsure about whether I want to go back to Ubuntu, since I'm pretty sure it's Gnome that screwed me over, and it seems that a lot of Ubuntu's goodness was the Gnomeness?
[05:04] <cardador> amathis: beep-media-player
[05:04] <amathis> cardador, gracias
[05:04] <altan> I like Fluxbox too. But is there anything Ubuntu has over other distributions when you strip it of its regular features?
[05:05] <LinuxJones> altan, define regular features :)
[05:06] <amathis> man, I love ubuntu.
[05:06] <altan> well, to me the things I really liked about Ubuntu were the Firefox integration, GNOME integration, and Synaptic. those things are doable on other distros if I really want to, and the main selling point was that it was a desktop-friendly Linux that was also lightweight in terms of the package selection
[05:07] <riffic> lol, funroll-loops.org got slashdotted
[05:07] <altan> I loved Ubuntu too until something messed up. GNOME often acted erratically, though. I'm wondering if this might have to do with the fact that I kept getting PnP BIOS warnings at startup no matter what my BIOS setting was
[05:08] <topyli> altan: heh, i set up a debian destop background today and marvel at the sweetness of a well-working desktop debian :)
[05:09] <altan> Ubuntu itself was good but GNOME kept rocking the boat, I guess
[05:09] <altan> I usually like GNOME, I don't know why it acts weirdly for me now
[05:09] <amathis> BMP doesn't use xmms's libs does it?
[05:09] <altan> does anyone else get that PnP BIOS warning?
[05:10] <amathis> it cannot play mp3's even though xmms could
[05:10] <neuro_> it can't play mp3s out the box
[05:10] <neuro_> that's not to say it can't play mp3s full stop
[05:10] <amathis> ah
[05:11] <amathis> man, it is pretty :P
[05:11] <neuro_> read http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[05:11] <amathis> thanks for tellin me bout' it.. I thought I was going to freak out if xmms didn't work
[05:11] <bob2> gm
[05:11] <bob2> beep may not be able to play mp3 at all
[05:12] <bob2> judging by it's deps/recommends, at least
[05:12] <ogra> yep, lloks like...
[05:12] <amathis> augh
[05:13] <bob2> rhythmbox and xmms can, tho
[05:13] <amathis> I don't suppose apt-get can install .m4a's?
[05:13] <amathis> bob2, I was mistaken. it can play mp3's right now.
[05:13] <amathis> just not .m4a's
[05:13] <bob2> mplayer can play m4a
[05:13] <amathis> with the libs' yes
[05:13] <arun--> environment variable setting is not at all nice in ubuntu
[05:13] <bob2> I think
[05:13] <bob2> I've never even seen a m4a file
[05:13] <amathis> xmms can too once you install the libs
[05:14] <amathis> bob2, it is a mac music file
[05:14] <bob2> oh, from itunes?
[05:14] <amathis> yes
[05:14] <bob2> aren't they encrypted, too?
[05:14] <bob2> arun--: suggestions for how to improve it are welcome
[05:15] <ogra> could somebody explain why all the old gstreamer packages are in universe? they are not needed anymore afaik
[05:16] <zenwhen> god made it that way
[05:16] <ogra> ahh, k, he made a lot weird things...that explains it ;)
[05:16] <bob2> ogra: stuff still Depends on them
[05:16] <arun--> it is reading the env vars from gdm.conf? so if i dont lauch the gdm on booting, instead i use the standard startx, will the env variables be read from the /etc/profile?
[05:16] <Gmail> it in debian also
[05:16] <ogra> huh ? what ?
[05:17] <Gmail> *stuff*
[05:17] <bob2> arun--: there's no common system, yes
[05:17] <bob2> ogra: gstreamer-player, for instance
[05:18] <ogra> hmm, ok ...
[05:20] <CRySyS> Just wanted to let everyone know that you solved my problem, Firefox is stable and my extensions all work.  Thanks you riffic and everyone else!
[05:21] <arun--> bob2: if i continue using the gdm.conf, after setting something, i have to logout completely and login again, or i have to restart?
[05:21] <bob2> you can restart gdm without restarting your computer
[05:21] <ogra> arun--: its linux......
[05:21] <ogra> arun--: no need for reboots without hardware/kernel changes
[05:22] <arun--> ogra: i ve always been used to set the env variables in /etc/profile to effect globally, new to gdm.conf
[05:22] <disciple> whats the default root password after an install?
[05:22] <ogra> disciple: yours
[05:22] <arun--> disciple, there is not passwd set
[05:22] <liten> disciple: none
[05:22] <disciple> k ta
[05:22] <liten> and you cannot login as root without a password :)
[05:23] <arun--> disciple: do sudo passwd root
[05:23] <neuro_> why bother?
[05:23] <neuro_> just sudo su - and you have a root shell
[05:23] <ogra> disciple: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:23] <bob2> "sudo -s".
[05:24] <arun--> bob2: so how do i restart gdm without restarting the machine?
[05:24] <ogra> arun--: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:24] <bob2> yeah
[05:24] <disciple> ah this is confusing
[05:24] <ogra> disciple: read the wiki page....it clearifys it ;)
[05:24] <arun--> ogra: is it going to kick me out of X and restart it :)
[05:25] <ogra> arun--: yep, if you run it for X ;)
[05:25] <ogra> from
[05:25] <arun--> :( i will do it tomorrow morning then
[05:25] <arun--> this is inconvenient, i guess /etc/profile is better
[05:26] <ogra> arun--: /etc/bash.bashrc is a good place too....
[05:27] <ogra> arun--: but anyway they both are the wrong way......there should be no nedd for env-vars on a debian system, thats the policy
[05:28] <arun--> ogra: no env-vars? you mean system wide? anyway this is my first debain based distribution
[05:28] <disciple> k read that page about sudo, it's still confusing though, after I've done `sudo -s` should `whoami` show root?
[05:29] <arun--> disciple: when ever you do a sudo, it will ask for your own passwd
[05:29] <ogra> disciple: yep
[05:29] <Keybuk> disciple: yes, once you've done sudo you are root
[05:30] <ogra> hey, Keybuk..... the memory surgeon is around ;)
[05:30] <Keybuk> hmm?
[05:30] <disciple> arun--, ah right, I was trying to put in a root pass
[05:30] <ogra> love your writings ;)
[05:30] <Keybuk> heh, ah -- the evolution thing?
[05:30] <ogra> too
[05:30] <disciple> arun--, the stupid things is if you put in a blank password there i.e. just return then there is no error which makes you think you were successful
[05:31] <arun--> disciple: :) your command prompt will change if were successful
[05:31] <ogra> ciao....
[05:32] <disciple> arun--, yep! and it wasn;t hence my confusion :)
[05:32] <Keybuk> heh, "priority interrupt"
[05:37] <arun-->  update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[05:37] <arun--> if i do this, the graphical startup will be gone right?
[05:38] <StormShaman> does evolution 2 spam filtering under ubuntu work for anyone?
[05:39] <rebirth> anyone know of a good gui ftp  client?
[05:39] <StormShaman> clicking the junk button files it as junk but it never automatically files things as junk
[05:39] <gruberma1> StormShaman: I think you have to install an extra pck or something
[05:39] <StormShaman> rebirth, gftp?
[05:39] <kent> rebirth, gftp
[05:39] <rebirth> thanks =)
[05:39] <arun--> StormShaman: is it a ubuntu problem or an evolution problem? i am thinking of using evolution as my mail client
[05:39] <StormShaman> gruberma1, but isn't it supposed to be built in? i have a junk and not junk button there already
[05:40] <StormShaman> arun--, i don't know, all i know is spam filtering isn't working for me and that makes me unhappy
[05:40] <StormShaman> rebirth, also, filezilla, for that other OS
[05:40] <gruberma1> StormShaman: gah... Nevermind my answer ;)
[05:41] <StormShaman> well, is anyone here using evolution?
[05:41] <gruberma1> StormShaman: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1935&highlight=spam
[05:43] <StormShaman> gruberma1, doumo arigatou gozaimashita!
[05:43] <StormShaman> that helps so much
[05:44] <StormShaman> i noticed that ubuntu had bogofilter, so i assumed it was using it, but i guess it wasn't
[05:45] <gruberma1> StormShaman: Alot of stuff is on the forum great place for answers
[05:48] <StormShaman> Yeah, I guess so.  I'm usually more comfortable with IRC since I'm talking to people in real time.
[05:49] <gruberma1> StormShaman: yup
[05:50] <disciple> Hi, I need to recompile the kernel to a newly installed ubuntu in order to get my nic working, could anyone tell me what packages I need grab to get all the make stuff working for kernel builds please
[05:50] <disciple> s/to/on/
[05:50] <Hikaru79> How come certain packages, like evolution or some of the games, that came with Ubuntu, wante to delete 'ubuntu-desktop' in Synaptic if I try to uninstall them. Does this mean I CAN'T remove these packages?
[05:50] <zenwhen> build essentials
[05:50] <gruberma1> StormShaman: Two years ago, I would never have tried to install linux without a working box connected to the internet.
[05:50] <zenwhen> get that
[05:51] <disciple> zenwhen, build essentials?  can I manually download these from the ubuntu site?
[05:51] <zenwhen> synaptic
[05:51] <StormShaman> gruberma1, it says when i start evo up it should say learning spam % but it doesn't
[05:51] <mvo_> Hikaru79: ubuntu-desktop is just a meta-package with a bunch of dependencies
[05:52] <disciple> zenwhen, synaptic.org?
[05:52] <StormShaman> gruberma1, is a restart required?
[05:52] <zenwhen> lord
[05:52] <gruberma1> StormShaman: i use hotmail mostly so I can't help you :/
[05:52] <StormShaman> gruberma1, OK. but why hotmail?
[05:53] <StormShaman> gmail is much nicer, and if you can get a POP account, that's even better
[05:53] <disciple> zenwhen, your confusing me were you answering my question when you said build essentials??
[05:53] <gruberma1> StormShaman: Old habit. Only get spam and porn anyways :)
[05:53] <Hikaru79> mvo_, so is it safe to remove it? O_O
[05:53] <StormShaman> OK, i see
[05:53] <gruberma1> Otherwise my inbox would be empty
[05:53] <gruberma1> :)
[05:54] <gruberma1> StormShaman: Actually, I haven't had any spam problems on my private mail (family, friends) yet.
[05:54] <StormShaman> gruberma1, OK
[05:54] <gruberma1> BTW, Can i remove evolution and install thunderbird instead?
[05:55] <mvo_> Hikaru79: yes
[05:55] <disciple> where can I manually download ubuntu packages?
[05:55] <aTypical> Hello, all.  Is this a n00b friendly room?
[05:55] <zenwhen> disciple, do you know how to use apt?
[05:55] <disciple> zenwhen, I need to grab packages in order to recompile kernel in order to get my nic working, yes I can use apt
[05:55] <gruberma1> aTypical: depends.. how much are you ready to spend? ;)
[05:56] <gruberma1> aTypical: fire away!
[05:56] <zenwhen> then use apt to install build essentials
[05:56] <disciple> zenwhen, no working nic
[05:56] <zenwhen> then I dont know.
[05:56] <neuro_> erk, a n00b! quick, kill it, kill it!!
[05:56] <neuro_> j/k :)
[05:56] <zenwhen> I tend to use a working machine when i install an OS.
[05:56] <disciple> zenwhen, it's a pcmcia wireless, ubuntu wasn;t able to detect it on install
[05:56] <aTypical> gruberma1, lol.  Actually, I'm downloading the LiveCD now and just wanted to know if this is where I come with questions or if there is a n00b specific room somewhere else.
[05:56] <gruberma1> neuro_: you really had to put the j/k in after some thought? :)
[05:57] <gruberma1> aTypical: This is the plcae yes
[05:57] <neuro_> yeah, had to weigh it up a bit first :)
[05:57] <aTypical> lol
[05:57] <gruberma1> unless you you're going to ask "why cant i play mp3's :)
[05:57] <disciple> which I guess takes me back to my original question
[05:57] <zenwhen> disciple, I answered how to instal build essentials.  cant go down a spiralling loops solving every issue you have and mnanually finding packages for you.
[05:58] <aTypical> :)
[05:58] <zenwhen> lol
[05:58] <zenwhen> lots of typos this morning.
[05:58] <disciple> zenwhen, apt ain't gonna work without a network connection
[05:58] <zenwhen> Id suggest google.
[05:58] <disciple> zenwhen, I need to sort out apt's prerequisites before I can use it!
[05:58] <zenwhen> Unbless someone in here knows hwo to install this stuff without a network connection
[05:59] <disciple> zenwhen, which means manually getting a couple of packages
[05:59] <gruberma1> zenwhen: Nah... Morning was good, but here it's evening and getting worse
[05:59] <zenwhen> Unless*
[05:59] <zenwhen> disciple, good luck. Id plug the damn thing to an ethernet connection if you can find one.
[05:59] <zenwhen> and get the wireless working
[05:59] <zenwhen> after that
[06:00] <disciple> zenwhen, yes well this is what I'm trying to do
[06:00] <zenwhen> oh
[06:00] <disciple> zenwhen, I can see you're not gonna be much help
[06:00] <zenwhen> I bet you are fairly frustrated.
[06:01] <disciple> zenwhen, god yeah ;)
[06:01] <zenwhen> lol
[06:01] <disciple> zenwhen, does that now qualify me for an answer?
[06:01] <zenwhen> I was when i first flailed into an irc room yelling OMFG MY LINUX IS BORKED. I hope you get this worked out.
[06:01] <zenwhen> I honestly dont have an answer.
[06:02] <zenwhen> Sounds like you should install with the ehternet plugged.
[06:02] <zenwhen> and then get build essentials and some kernel source
[06:02] <disciple> zenwhen, to be honest I'm finding the linux bit is easier than the irc bit
[06:02] <zenwhen> compile the kernel with support for your wireless
[06:02] <zenwhen> and call it a day
[06:02] <zenwhen> thats how I would go about it
[06:03] <disciple> zenwhen, on ignore
[06:03] <zenwhen> hahaha
[06:03] <zenwhen> I guess he wanted me to hold his hand.
[06:03] <zenwhen> and dance with him like the ubuntu logo.
[06:03] <zenwhen> :o
[06:03] <gruberma1> disciple: Take it easy. Have you googled?
[06:04] <gruberma1> disciple: Checked the forums?
[06:04] <gruberma1> disciple: Had some coffe?
[06:04] <monteiro> in the command line without graphical interface i can have access to java and javac commands but when i go to gnome, and try to access java thrue the gnome terminal it doesnt work :( why ?
[06:04] <disciple> gruberma1, don't worry I am, just haven't really got time for people like that
[06:04] <zenwhen> he wants a guided safari on irc through the troubles of linux
[06:04] <zenwhen> "oh no, i cant be bothered to use google"
[06:05] <synapse> help, i installed apache2, php & mysql-server and still apps like phpBB2 will not recognize the sql server
[06:05] <disciple> gruberma1, yes googled for ubuntu packages, can't find much, this is my first ubuntu install just need a place to manually grab some packages, don;t spose you could point me in the right direction?
[06:06] <gruberma1> disciple: you have all the info for your nic?
[06:07] <neuro_> disciple: you could burrow through http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/ i spose
[06:08] <gruberma1> neuro_: coward!! :)
[06:08] <disciple> yes 3com 3CRWE154G72 revision 1 as supported by the in kernel prism54 modules, even though it's in kernel ubuntu didn;t pick it up (bug?) as a result I need to manually rebuild a kernel
[06:09] <disciple> neuro_, ta :)
[06:09] <synapse> anyone got ne ideas?
[06:09] <monteiro> my ubuntu is a little slow compared to my old debian and slackware :(
[06:09] <synapse> monteiro, tht is probably down to kernel fattening
[06:09] <synapse> and things you dont need
[06:10] <monteiro> synapse : i've the same config that i used in gentoo, and ubuntu is slow :(
[06:11] <monteiro> very slow when i'm writing cds in k3b
[06:12] <synapse> yes but that could still be down to you not having things
[06:23] <monteiro> synapse : do u think because automount my computer is slow ?
[06:23] <gruberman> I wondered why everybody was calling me grubermal
[06:24] <Tomcat__> Because people are too stupid to read? :D
[06:24] <gruberman> Or that I had grubermal as my nick :)
[06:26] <merlin0> hello
[06:27] <merlin0> someone have a working celestia with fglrx driver?
[06:30] <tuxx> Evening my fellow Ubuntors :-)
[06:30] <kapputu> hi tuxx
[06:30] <kapputu> welcome back
[06:30] <tuxx> How do I share my printer with Ubuntu so that my wife can print on it from her Linux-box?
[06:30] <tuxx> kapputu thanks :-)
[06:30] <tuxx> The printer is installed and working.
[06:31] <kapputu> you convinced your wife to get linux ?
[06:31] <tuxx> Just needs to be shared with the "world", that is my network
[06:31] <kapputu> no idea tuxx
[06:31] <tuxx> kapputu yeah no problem there. She loves KDE :-)
[06:31] <kapputu> cool
[06:32] <Keybuk> tuxx: is your wife on Windows or Ubuntu ?
[06:32] <tuxx> Keybuk she's on Mandrake
[06:33] <tuxx> No Windows in this house :-)
[06:33] <tuxx> I mean.. no MS Windows.. gotta have some to look out!
[06:33] <topyli> heh
[06:33] <kapputu> lol
[06:33] <kapputu> hi topyli
[06:34] <topyli> kapputu: good evening sir
[06:34] <kapputu> topyli: you one of my students ??
[06:34] <kapputu> :-)
[06:34] <Eno_> i have a printing problem. in debian i was able to set cups to use grayscale printing only (no color cartidge), but now in ubuntu some apps like gedit and glabels ignore that setting and try using a color cartridge which i dont want to use... is there anyway to force grayscale for these other apps?
[06:34] <Keybuk> tuxx: edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf -- change the Listen into just a Port and add appropriate "Allow From" lines at the bottom
[06:35] <topyli> kapputu: i don't think so. my professors don't do irc afaik :)
[06:35] <Eno_> the problem is that i just have black ink
[06:35] <Keybuk> tuxx: you might be able to turn Browsing on as well, and have it all work magically :p
[06:35] <tuxx> Keybuk on her machine (Mandrake) or mine (Ubuntu) ?
[06:35] <kapputu> I was trying to setup a SSH server on my machine using DynDNS
[06:35] <kapputu> simply doesn't work
[06:36] <Keybuk> tuxx: the one with the printer
[06:36] <tuxx> Keybuk OK that'll be mine. Lemme try that!
[06:37] <kapputu> can I ping on a particular port ?
[06:37] <Tomcat__> kapputu: Not with regular pings
[06:37] <topyli> kapputu: which doesn't work? ssh or the dns stuff?
[06:37] <kapputu> ssh
[06:37] <kapputu> my router is not doing port forwarding
[06:37] <kapputu> I tried sshing into the gateway
[06:37] <kapputu> no avail
[06:37] <merlin0> someone knows about a good planetarium?
[06:38] <kapputu> hi poyayan
[06:38] <poyayan> anyone here install java?
[06:38] <topyli> kapputu: can you ssh localhost?
[06:38] <TerminX> kapputu: what do you teach?  (curious, must not be networking or anything or you wouldn't be asking how to ping a specific port like that)
[06:38] <poyayan> yo kapputu
[06:38] <tuxx> Keybuk how would Allow from all my 192.168.0.x range be ?
[06:38] <topyli> kapputu: obviously he's a social scientist :)
[06:38] <tuxx> Keybuk I mean how do I write that so cups understand it?
[06:39] <topyli> s/he's/you're
[06:39] <Keybuk> tuxx: "Allow From 192.168.0.0/24"
[06:39] <poyayan> I created the .deb files but when I try to dpkg -i sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb it gives me a dependency problem
[06:39] <kapputu> I used to teach operating systems :-P
[06:39] <Keybuk> tuxx: make sure that's in the "<Location />" bit
[06:39] <tuxx> Keybuk thanks
[06:39] <kapputu> topyli: ssh localhost works
[06:40] <tuxx> Keybuk thats where it is yes
[06:40] <merlin0> what packages are in multiverse? can i have a list?
[06:40] <kapputu> hmm actually nope
[06:40] <NetwrkMonkey> is there much of a learning curve with apt-get? coming from a suse world. I've used debian, but briefly
[06:40] <poyayan> not really netwrk
[06:41] <Keybuk> NetwrkMonkey: aptitude install package ... that's about it
[06:41] <tuxx> Keybuk you're brilliant! It works.
[06:41] <NetwrkMonkey> mmm i shall see
[06:41] <NetwrkMonkey> hrm, might have to wait till december
[06:42] <kapputu> I'm able to ssh into this machine from my laptop using the local ip
[06:42] <kapputu> but not through the router
[06:42] <kapputu> I have setup the router to do port forwarding for port 22 to this machine
[06:43] <kapputu> ok tuxx, help me now :-P
[06:43] <tuxx> kapputu with the ssh-thing?
[06:43] <kapputu> yeah
[06:44] <dredg> kapputu:  as in: your laptop is '192.168.1.3', the machine is '192.168.1.2' and your router is '192.168.1.1' and 'some.public.ip.address'?
[06:44] <tuxx> kapputu lemme read back..
[06:45] <kapputu> ok desktop is 192.168.0.2
[06:45] <kapputu> laptop is 192.168.0.3
[06:45] <tuxx> kapputu u better write me the problem instead. I can't seem to find it
[06:45] <kapputu> router is 192.168.2.37
[06:45] <kapputu> I can ssh into the desktop using ssh 192.168.2.37
[06:47] <tuxx> Sorry if I'm a tad slow kapputu but what do u want to do and how is it setup?
[06:47] <kapputu> ok I have two routers
[06:47] <tuxx> yes
[06:47] <kapputu> Router 1 connects to the service provider
[06:47] <kapputu> it has a gateway of 192.168.2.1
[06:48] <kapputu> my router (Router 2) connects to router 1 and is assigned an IP of 192.168.2.37
[06:48] <kapputu> and I have setup router 2 to forward all requests on port 22 to my desktop and that works
[06:48] <kapputu> I just checked now
[06:48] <kapputu> brb
[06:49] <tuxx> kapputu ok so far I'm still with ya :)
[06:49] <merlin0> is kde stable enough in ubuntu?
[06:52] <ztonzy> hi :)
[06:52] <zenwhen> merlin0, ubuntu is really a gnome based distro. Why would you want to use KDE with it?
[06:52] <xenonite> hi!
[06:53] <ztonzy> anyone have a good knowledge of putting in a slave harddrive with XP to get it working after having a full Ubuntu running on primary hd ?
[06:53] <xenonite> when i shutdown my ubuntu system, it doesnt turn off... i have to press the powerbutton instead. do you now something?
[06:53] <merlin0> zenwhen: feel more comfortable
[06:53] <zenwhen> perhpas you should pry yourself away from the windows like KDE and learn something new. :/
[06:54] <merlin0> maybe
[06:55] <altan> uh oh guys, I was installing ubuntu again, GRUB gave an error saying it couldn't install, LILO installed but dies on boot with a kernel panik
[06:55] <altan> panic
[06:55] <zenwhen> oh god
[06:55] <altan> I'm guessing there may be some remnants in the MBR, how can I wipe the MBR?
[06:55] <zenwhen> spread butter on your hard drive
[06:55] <zenwhen> its the only way
[06:55] <altan> what
[06:57] <altan> do you guys think it's a MBR issue?
[06:58] <zenwhen> proabably is
[06:58] <zenwhen> you could reinstall grub
[06:58] <zenwhen> it should overwite your mbr
[06:58] <zenwhen> it should overwrite your mbr
[06:59] <altan> zenwhen I was reinstalling Ubuntu from scratch
[06:59] <zenwhen> odd
[06:59] <altan> Grub freaked out in the final stage of the install process, I got LILO to install but Linux doesn't work
[07:00] <kapputu> tuxx: u there ?
[07:00] <cuga> alten: if from scratch, did you remember to re-format your /boot ?
[07:01] <altan> yeah, I erased the parts table
[07:01] <poin_t> hi there
[07:01] <cuga> what FS did you use for /boot?
[07:01] <tuxx> kapputu yes. Chicken was fine so dinner's still on later for me and the miss' :-)
[07:02] <tuxx> anyhow kapputu I'm with ya so far from what u've explained so far
[07:02] <kapputu> I think my first router is not doing port forwarding
[07:02] <altan> cuga - I didn't put a /boot, it created the partitions on its own
[07:03] <tuxx> kapputu do u have access to that router?
[07:03] <kapputu> yes
[07:03] <tuxx> can you check up to see if it's setup to do so?
[07:04] <kapputu> yes
[07:04] <kapputu> I was the one who set it up
[07:04] <tuxx> kapputu so it's setup to forward but it's not doing so despite being told to?
[07:04] <kapputu> yep
[07:05] <kapputu> brb
[07:05] <tuxx> kapputu that's not fair :-)
[07:05] <kapputu> yeah I know
[07:05] <kapputu> it's driving me mad
[07:06] <tuxx> kapputu I understand ya. hmm I'm affraid it's difficult to help remotely :-(
[07:06] <kapputu> yeah I understand
[07:07] <topyli> kapputu: what if you go to some port scan site, can they see your router?
[07:07] <kapputu> thanks for trying though
[07:07] <cuga> anybody running cedega under Ubuntu ?
[07:07] <kapputu> topyli: what do I search in google ?
[07:07] <Hikaru79> Is ubuntu supposed to be unable to run "network-admin"?
[07:07] <topyli> kapputu: just go to http://net2.apollo.lv/index.php for example
[07:09] <tuxx> Dinnertime. be back later :-)
[07:09] <xenonite> cuga: wine is running fine though
[07:10] <kapputu> bye tuxx
[07:10] <kapputu> yep topyli, port 22 is open
[07:10] <Hikaru79> kapputu, how do you set a static IP in ubuntu? Network-admin is asking for a root password, but there isn't one in Ubuntu...
[07:10] <topyli> kapputu: so, ssh is running, the port is open... this is weird
[07:11] <kapputu> absolutely weird
[07:11] <kapputu> I can understand if it's refusing connections
[07:11] <kapputu> Hikaru79: use the password u use to sudo
[07:11] <topyli> kapputu: the default should be to accept connections, and authenticate with passwords
[07:11] <Hikaru79> I tried
[07:11] <Hikaru79> o_o Doesn't work
[07:12] <kapputu> is it possible because it's going through 2 routers ?
[07:12] <topyli> kapputu: it would add a level of confusion for me at least :)
[07:13] <cuga> xenonite: yeah wine works for me but cedega keeps giving me errors and dont work with anything
[07:13] <kapputu> but the intermediate router is forwarding without any problems
[07:14] <gruberman> why is it so hard to find a station in the us streaming the cowboys - lions game? ;)
[07:15] <xenonite> cuga: hm... i didnt try cedega
[07:19] <topyli> gruberman: perhaps an event needs to be interesting before someone bothers to stream it ;)
[07:20] <enabl> gruberman: if you find a stream, i wouldn't mind watching too :)
[07:24] <moyote> Rhythmbox. How do I get it to work? Any suggestions?
[07:24] <moyote> I've installed gstreamer-mad. Do I need anything else?
[07:24] <topyli> moyote: how does it not work?
[07:25] <moyote> It freezes up when I click on the default stations.
[07:25] <moyote> I have to force quit.
[07:26] <moyote> It works on my box upstairs. Guess I should pay closer attention to what I do to make something work. :-))
[07:26] <topyli> moyote: how long do you wait? it does become unresponsive for a while but then goes on to buffering the stream
[07:26] <moyote> It does stream at all.
[07:26] <topyli> ok, that's too long :)
[07:26] <gruberman> enabl: I meant radio stream :) I have fieldpass, but there's no broadcast from home games. watching gamecenter now and listens to PHi - BAL
[07:27] <gruberman> enabl: not easy liviing in sweden trying to follow NFL :/
[07:27] <Eno_> i have a printing problem. in debian (gnome 2.6) i was able to set cups to use grayscale printing only (no color cartidge), but now in ubuntu (gnome 2.8) some apps like gedit and glabels ignore that setting and try using a color cartridge which i dont want to use... is there anyway to force grayscale for these other apps? the problem is that i just have black ink. i can always have glabels output to a .pdf and print using acroread or something which
[07:27] <Eno_> uses grayscale, but it doesnt print right on the cards like glabels does
[07:28] <oddabe19> speaking of NFL.... does Philly play today?
[07:28] <enabl> gruberman: yeah i'm in the uk
[07:29] <gruberman> oddabe19: yup, vs Ravens
[07:29] <oddabe19> 4PM or now?
[07:29] <oddabe19> i'm about ready to leave for a performance
[07:29] <oddabe19> and i'm hoping i'll be back
[07:29] <gruberman> oddabe19: now
[07:29] <oddabe19> damn
[07:30] <oddabe19> i'm at school too
[07:30] <oddabe19> damnit
[07:30] <gruberman> oddabe19: TO has already dropped one :)
[07:30] <oddabe19> hahaha
[07:30] <enabl> how much was the fieldpass gruberman?
[07:30] <gruberman> 9$ a month I think
[07:31] <enabl> not bad :)
[07:31] <gruberman> enabl: nope
[07:31] <oddabe19> later guys
[07:32] <gruberman> later
[07:34] <topyli> tuxx: did it taste like human?
[07:35] <tuxx> topyli lol no. More like chicken and rice :-)
[07:35] <topyli> they say chicken tastes a lot like human :)
[07:36] <gruberman> tuxx: a slight hint of penguin taste maybe? :)
[07:36] <topyli> some people say chicken tastes like cardboard though
[07:37] <tuxx> gruberman yeah a bit tux-flavoured :-)
[07:37] <Treenaks> topyli: give them a sheet of cardboard to munch on then.. teach them to appreciate chicken 8)
[07:37] <tuxx> topyli I can't verify that hehe
[07:38] <topyli> there was a texan (iirc) who insisted he had never tasted chicken. somebody told him it's a lot like rattlesnake and he was enlightened :)
[07:38] <topyli> this happened on the usenet
[07:38] <Treenaks> topyli: Everything happens on usenet!
[07:38] <topyli> yes =)
[07:39] <gruberman> Treenaks: I wonder how much on bash.org comes from usenet :)
[07:40] <Treenaks> gruberman: the rest happens on IRC..
[07:41] <topyli> Treenaks: yes, and together they cover all the happenings possible
[07:41] <bo> hi
[07:41] <bo> i have a very simple question
[07:41] <xenonite> when i shutdown my ubuntu system, it doesnt turn off... i have to press the powerbutton instead. can somebody help me?
[07:41] <Treenaks> bo: go ahead :)
[07:41] <bo> is it normal that after installing ubuntu i have no root pw?
[07:41] <Treenaks> bo: yes
[07:42] <bo> AGH! why?
[07:42] <Treenaks> bo: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:42] <bo> i'm number 12097 with this question, right?
[07:42] <Treenaks> bo: security reasons
[07:42] <WW> bo: Probably pretty close :)
[07:42] <topyli> bo: it really is a Frequently Asked Question :)
[07:43] <Treenaks> bo: Congratulations! You're the 15.000th person asking this question!
[07:43] <Treenaks> bo: :P
[07:43] <topyli> bo: the prize: i can give you a password for free: s3kri+
[07:44] <tuxx> Hmm what version of XFree is Ubuntu using? Or is it Xorg or some other?
[07:44] <edwood> hi
[07:44] <xenonite> xfree 4.3.99 afaik
[07:45] <tuxx> xenonite thank you
[07:45] <topyli> tuxx: X -version says: XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1
[07:45] <Tomcat_> Sounds like "last CVS before license switch" :D
[07:46] <Treenaks> Tomcat_: it is, afaik.. with a few extra patches from Xorg
[07:46] <Tomcat_> :)
[07:46] <tuxx> topyli how do u check that?
[07:46] <bo> ok, the thing is that without root, linux is more easy for users, right?
[07:46] <topyli> tuxx: sudo X -version
[07:47] <Treenaks> bo: and more secure
[07:47] <Treenaks> bo: (and logging..)
[07:47] <tuxx> XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1 here. Thanks
[07:47] <bo> grml, now i don't know how to work
[07:47] <bo> how to mount
[07:47] <bo> how to change rootfiles
[07:47] <Treenaks> bo: sudo <command you would run as root>
[07:47] <topyli> tuxx: but i bet they put in a patch or two :)
[07:47] <Treenaks> bo: it's all on this page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:48] <tuxx> topyli no doubt :)
[07:48] <tuxx> By the way what's the generel oppion here about the standard noroot ?
[07:48] <bo>  If someone gets control of a user account with sudo access they affectively have access to root
[07:48] <topyli> tuxx: i haven't logged in as root for years anyway on any linux system :)
[07:48] <Treenaks> bo: only if they have the password
[07:48] <tuxx> I find it a tad unsecure. If you crack one password u have access to the whole system. With root active u need to crack that too
[07:48] <bo> so my acc has sudo-access
[07:49] <Treenaks> topyli: unless you start by cracking the root password, or find another "way in" as another user
[07:49] <WW> tuxx: But if you crack the root password...
[07:49] <tuxx> WW u have a point there
[07:50] <tuxx> Is sudo command the exact same is using root?
[07:50] <topyli> tuxx: root is the only user you can _know_ for sure to exist. so you'll try cracking that one
[07:50] <tuxx> topyli hmmm yeah good point
[07:50] <bo> the command SUDO has a file where is said witch command are allowed for witch person... hwo chages this file?
[07:50] <topyli> bo: visudo
[07:51] <tuxx> btw.. what's with the standard uid/gid 1000 ? I'm used to 501, 502 and so forth.
[07:51] <topyli> bo: man sudoers will explain
[07:51] <Treenaks> bo: visudo
[07:51] <Tomcat_> tuxx: I have never seen a system with 501 as start. :)
[07:51] <Tomcat_> tuxx: When was your last install? 1995? :D
[07:51] <Treenaks> bo: that starts an editor with the /etc/sudoers file
[07:52] <topyli> tuxx: debian way is 1000
[07:52] <Treenaks> bo: which checks it before saving, so you can't really break it easlily
[07:52] <c0w> instead of visudo
[07:52] <Tomcat_> + SuSE way
[07:52] <c0w> just type   ->  sudo echo "username   ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL " >> /etc/sudoers
[07:52] <c0w> where username is your account name
[07:53] <tuxx> Tomcat_ try Mandrake :-)
[07:53] <c0w> ehhh
[07:53] <topyli> Tomcat_: oh. i have no suse experience. i'm blessed that way :)
[07:53] <c0w> stay away from mandrake
[07:53] <Tomcat_> I only work on some SuSE at work... thank god.
[07:54] <bo> bo@moebius:~ $ visudo
[07:54] <bo> visudo: /etc/sudoers: Permission denied
[07:54] <bo> bo@moebius:~ $ sudo visodu
[07:54] <bo> sudo: visodu: command not found
[07:54] <tuxx> Anyhow.. it's a problem because my wife's computer and my server runs Mandrake which uses 501, 502 etc. And to get write access to those via LAN I need same user id and group id and not just the same username.
[07:54] <topyli> c0w: mandrake is a very cool system imo. besides debian, it's the only distro that seems reasonably sane to me :)
[07:54] <tuxx> So I've changed my ubuntu-users uid/gid to the same as on the other systems
[07:54] <tuxx> Are there any disadvantages doing that?
[07:55] <tuxx> (it's the only way I've found so that I can have writeacces as if I where on the machine locally)
[07:55] <topyli> bo: try sudo visudo :)
[07:55] <eskiled> hello.
[07:55] <anders_> I have a little problem with base-config hanging / not getting input from keyboard
[07:55] <kensai> where do I change the splashscreen?
[07:56] <tuxx> kensai the one uppon boot?
[07:56] <kensai> nope the one when gdm starts
[07:56] <anders_> It seems to be like this: http://cert.uni-stuttgart.de/archive/debian/laptop/2002/10/msg00238.html
[07:56] <kensai> the grub one I know already how to
[07:56] <topyli> tuxx: i know. my /home permissions were always screwed when i hovered between mandrake and debian installs :)
[07:56] <tuxx> kensai sorry dunno. But please let me know how :-)
[07:56] <dredg> sudo gdmsetup
[07:56] <anders_> any suggestions?
[07:56] <eskiled> excuse me: who here ordered ubuntu free online at www.ubuntu.org
[07:56] <tuxx> topyli so having the same id on every system is a good way?
[07:56] <eskiled> *ubuntulinux.org
[07:56] <topyli> tuxx: i guess so
[07:57] <dredg> eskiled: i did
[07:57] <tuxx> topyli ok I just find it a rather dirty way.. anyhow it works :-)
[07:57] <eskiled> and they sent it to your house dredg???
[07:57] <topyli> tuxx: where's the harm (as long as 501 isn't already taken by something like apache or whatever)
[07:57] <dredg> not yet
[07:57] <anders_> can I do things that base-config does in any other way?
[07:57] <eskiled> oh
[07:57] <tuxx> topyli I dunno. I'm just affraid I'll have a mixed system where some files have 1000 and some 501
[07:58] <eskiled> cuz im wondering if ima get a bunch of junk mail with it dredg, cuz my parents would flip if we did.
[07:58] <anders_> debconf something?
[07:58] <topyli> tuxx: no, you hardly own files outside /home anyway
[07:58] <tuxx> ohh yeah.. speaking of files.. where do I set the standard permission? I see that Ubuntu uses 644. I'd like 664 if possible..
[07:58] <bo> if i activate the root-account, there is nothing negative, but getting a normal root-acc, right?
[07:58] <tuxx> topyli u have a point
[07:58] <tuxx> bo correct. I've done the same
[07:58] <bo> lol
[07:59] <eskiled> thankyou dredg i appreciate it.
[07:59] <topyli> bo: actually you'll be forced to do it if you install something like webmin (which is non-ubuntu and will ask for root password)
[07:59] <Mojo_Jojo> Hi, does anyone know where I can get a package to extract .rar files :)
[07:59] <dredg> eskiled: i doubt it, but i'll let you know :)
[07:59] <eskiled> thanks.
[08:00] <eskiled> seriously.
[08:00] <eskiled> would you join #eskiled
[08:00] <eskiled> when you get ithaha
[08:00] <dredg> yeah, sure
[08:00] <eskiled> actually nah ill just come back here in a couple of days
[08:00] <eskiled> or both lol
[08:00] <eskiled> #eskiled
[08:00] <kensai> the gdmsetup is for changing gdm theme not spashscreen
[08:01] <tuxx> Any difference between the download Ubuntu and the ordered Ubuntu?
[08:01] <anders_> Is there terminal settings or something that can I can adjust for getting base-config working?
[08:01] <WW> Mojo_Jojo: According to the FAQ on the wiki, you can install the package "unrar" from multiverse. (I haven't tried it, so that's all I know about it.)
[08:02] <eskiled> dredg: when did you order it btw?
[08:02] <xenonite> xfree 4.3.99 afaik
[08:02] <xenonite> when i shutdown my ubuntu system, it doesnt turn off... i have to press the powerbutton instead. can somebody help me?
[08:02] <eskiled> same with all linux.
[08:02] <WW> eskiled: ?
[08:02] <eskiled> well same with my mandrake box. and with suse when i had that on it.
[08:02] <eskiled> lol what? ww
[08:03] <tuxx> eskiled same what?
[08:03] <WW> eskiled: "same with all linux"... what's the same?
[08:03] <anders_> xenonite: have you tried "nolapic" in the kernel command line?
[08:03] <eskiled> xenonite said he has t opress the power button after his distro shuts down
[08:03] <Mojo_Jojo> WW, yeah I found it :) i'm a little slow this morning after lastnight haha
[08:03] <eskiled> i said its the same with all distros ive tried (and prolly all linux kernel) ...
[08:04] <xenonite> hm maybe only with 2.6xx kernels, with 2.4 it worked
[08:04] <tuxx> eskiled weird. I haven't had that problem ever.
[08:04] <WW> eskiled: Sorry, but _what_ is the same?
[08:04] <xenonite> anders_: does that nolapic help?
[08:04] <tuxx> xenonite 2.6 should work also. Works on my system
[08:04] <edwood> on mine too
[08:04] <dredg> eskiled: cant remember when i ordered it. a while ago
[08:05] <brad> ya, i have the same problem on my system but i rarley turn it off so it doesnt really nother me
[08:05] <dredg> eskiled: i guess they have a huge backorder to fill :)
[08:05] <kensai> there is nothing in the wiki for how to change the splash screen?
[08:05] <eskiled> Yyou have to press power button to turn off computer after the distro shutdowns down ww
[08:05] <eskiled> thankyou dredg :) lol
[08:05] <xenonite> yes eskiled
[08:05] <anders_> xenonite: has helped for my inspiron 8100
[08:05] <brad> well it hangs on acpi_powerdown called or something
[08:05] <WW> eskiled: Nope, mine shuts fine by itself when I tell it to.
[08:05] <WW> shuts off*
[08:05] <eskiled> :( ww
[08:06] <xenonite> the last line says "Power down."
[08:06] <e> yes
[08:06] <e> i get that too
[08:06] <xenonite> so i could restart and try it with nolapic ?
[08:06] <e> got to go
[08:06] <e> nice talk to all of you
[08:06] <dredg> depends on a few things - does your motherboard support acpi properly?
[08:06] <ogra> hi all
[08:06] <dredg> i have to use apm with my crappy motherboard. it powers off properly, but only when root issues the poweroff command
[08:07] <xenonite> ok apm seems to solve the problem (http://www.linux-fuer-alle.de/doc_show.php?docid=204&catid=15 on geman)
[08:07] <xenonite> german
[08:07] <anders_> xenonite: does not harm I guess, lapic is not used by single prosessors I think
[08:07] <xenonite> i now add "apm" to the /etc/modules
[08:07] <xenonite> okay
[08:07] <dredg> with any bios dated before 2001. acpi is disabled, unless you override it with 'acpi=force'
[08:07] <ogra> has anybody made thawte certs working with evolution ?  a link to some doc would be niche ;)
[08:08] <xenonite> hm
[08:08] <xenonite> so 3 different tries for me, thanks!
[08:08] <anders_> anybody wants to help me with my base-config problem?
[08:08] <xenonite> 1.) nolapic 2.) acpi=force 3.) apm to /etc/modules
[08:08] <xenonite> cul8r
[08:08] <dredg> ogra: i've made comodo certs work with evolution
[08:08] <dredg> xenonite: and install apmd
[08:08] <tuxx> anders_ does it stall uppon installation?
[08:09] <anders_> tuxx: on first run after installation
[08:09] <tuxx> anders_ how many USB ports do u have? and do u have anything plugged into them?
[08:09] <dredg> ogra: by default the comodo certs are only supported by IE. i had to import the cert into IE, export it to pfx and then install it in evolution
[08:10] <dredg> ogra: cant say for the thawte ones
[08:10] <anders_> tuxx: one printer I think
[08:10] <ogra> dreg: hmm, thats odd....
[08:10] <ogra> dredg
[08:11] <tuxx> anders_ I dunno if it'll work but try to unplug it uppon installation and first run. Then if ya have 6 ports (2 on the mobo internally) try to disable them and not use'em
[08:11] <AlohaWolf> has anyone managed to get apache setup and working with userdirs?
[08:11] <dredg> ogra: not really :) i work for a comodo partner and ive raised it with them
[08:11] <Hmmmmm_> guys how do i copy a vcd in linux?
[08:11] <Hmmmmm_> k3b wont let me do it
[08:11] <ogra> drdg: ;)
[08:12] <dredg> ogra: for now its "IE on windows only. sorry" which bites
[08:13] <ogra> dredg: so how would one do it without any windows around......mark s. founded thawte as well as ubuntu so i'd expect thawte certs to work with ubuntus default mailer out of the box....
[08:13] <anders_> tuxx: Ok, I'll try first with unplugged and then with all usb disabled in bios
[08:13] <ogra> dredg: i cant even download it with mozilla....
[08:13] <dredg> ogra: he may have founded it, but he doesnt run it these days. its a verisign company now
[08:14] <ogra> dredg: requires at least navigator
[08:14] <ogra> dredg: which i refuse to install
[08:14] <nictuku> hmm sound is not comming out. the module seems to be set, the volume in the mixer seems to be fine either.
[08:14] <dredg> quite honestly, i dont know. its been a few years since ive used a thawte cert
[08:15] <nictuku> audio line out is ok, was working before.
[08:15] <dilinger> are there no US mirrors for downloading ubuntu?
[08:15] <nictuku> what else should I check?
[08:16] <ogra> dredg: i'll tr ywith opera.... thanks anyway....
[08:17] <HWolf> Can anyone help me get my sound set up with my tv-tuner?
[08:17] <xenonite> hello again, i now tell you the results of the poweroff-problem
[08:18] <xenonite> 1.) nolapic: did _not_ work 2.) acpi=force did easily work for me :) 3.) add apm to /etc/modules did also work :)
[08:19] <Arnald> Anyone here know how to fix nautilus auth probs?  I've wedged it totally, I need to get back to the auth dialog, but I don't know how to . . . .
[08:19] <Arnald> smb auth that is
[08:19] <AlohaWolf> does anyone know how to get apache setup and working with userdirs?
[08:20] <nictuku> argh
[08:20] <Arnald> I reckon it's got the wrong data, so it hangs when I view a share, and shafts all other connection attempts
[08:20] <tuxx> xenonite so it's solved now?
[08:20] <nictuku> sound is working with the OSS output plugin in XMMS
[08:20] <nictuku> but in a very bad quality
[08:21] <xenonite> tuxx: yes thank you all
[08:22] <tuxx> xenonite gotta love irc :-)
[08:22] <hope> hi all, i have just installed the Warty Release of Ubuntu on my Laptop a Dell Inspiron 8200. But i have a little problem : my soundcard is not recognized (Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller rev 02). Does anyone know how to set it up ?
[08:22] <tuxx> Does anyone know how to get artwiz fonts working with Gnome?
[08:23] <xenonite> yes this channel is cool :)
[08:24] <rapha> Hi all!
[08:24] <sn0wman> hi
[08:24] <hope> Hi Rapha
[08:24] <nictuku> there is an alsaconf in the menu but none alsaconf in the system
[08:24] <WW> xenonite: Stick around, maybe you can help the next person who has trouble with power off.  You'll have to type faster than ogra-bot, however :)
[08:24] <rapha> (An old HP OmniBook 4100, but still good)
[08:24] <nictuku> fluxbox's menu.
[08:25] <tuxx> xenonite very cool. I'd never thought so many where using Ubuntu.
[08:25] <rapha> I already installed Ubuntu, and amazingly its pretty usable despite the PII 266 with only 32 Megs of RAM
[08:25] <ogra> WW: *g* .... evening
[08:25] <anders_> disabling usb did not help with my base-config problem
[08:25] <WW> ogra: hey :)
[08:25] <hope> In which menu did you find alsaconf nictuku ?
[08:25] <tuxx> anders_ bugger. hmm I don't have any other solution then
[08:25] <nictuku> after installing fluxbox (universe) and the "menu" package (required by fluxbox)
[08:26] <rapha> Only one problem here, as soon as I go online using dial-up, the notebook isn't reachable through its ethernet interface anymore. Any clues?
[08:26] <tuxx> nictuku Fluxbox Stable? Get unstable instead
[08:26] <nictuku> afaik, alsaconf should be in alsa-utils, which is installed.
[08:26] <kapputu> hi ogra !!
[08:26] <rapha> (And for being able to use the dial-up connection I've to manually set the default route)
[08:26] <xenonite> WW: i am around here a few days now, really cool :)
[08:26] <tuxx> wb kapputu
[08:26] <kapputu> hey tuxx, welcome back
[08:26] <kapputu> thx
[08:26] <tuxx> :)
[08:26] <bo> bo@moebius:~ $ xmms
[08:26] <bo> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[08:26] <bo> Xlib: No protocol specified
[08:26] <bo> ** CRITICAL **: Unable to open display
[08:26] <nictuku> that's not a fluxbox issue. it's a menu issue (debian's "menu" package)
[08:26] <bo> what the heck?!
[08:26] <xenonite> tuxx: more and more people using it...
[08:26] <hope> alsaconf doesn't seem to be be in alsa-utils
[08:27] <kapputu> using what xenonite ?
[08:27] <HWolf> Hi Ogra
[08:27] <HWolf> :-)
[08:27] <tuxx> xenonite yeah. At first glance it looked like a.. unknown distro.. however I'm amased. Hard to loose Mandrake but easy to love Ubuntu.
[08:27] <xenonite> ubuntu, kapputu
[08:27] <Tomcat_> lol
[08:27] <nictuku> but it should, hope, that's my point.
[08:27] <tuxx> lol
[08:27] <tuxx> umfufu
[08:28] <Tomcutu> :o
[08:28] <tuxx> :-D
[08:28] <kapputu> hehe
[08:28] <hope> yes it should be in alsa-utils
[08:28] <xenonite> tuxx: it was easy for me to loose suse linux and then yoper linux, but hard to loose kde...
[08:28] <nictuku> unless there isn't an alsaconf anymore
[08:28] <Tubuntu> :o :o
[08:28] <kapputu> lol
[08:28] <xenonite> tuxutu: but i start to like gnome
[08:28] <nictuku> alsa-utils descriptions shows it provides "alsaconf"
[08:28] <Tubuntu> lol ww
[08:28] <kapputu> WuWutu
[08:29] <rapha> Does somebody have an explanation about that modem problem?
[08:29] <kapputu> nope it's xenonutu
[08:29] <tuxutu> xenonite I've not used KDE for a long time. It was harder for me to get used to Gnome being a hardcore Fluxboxuser on Mandrake
[08:29] <tuxutu> rofl
[08:29] <xenunite> ;)
[08:29] <kapputu> hi gepputu
[08:29] <geppy> Hello, kapputu.
[08:29] <anders_> it's really strange, I can use other terminals but the one running base-config just prints characters, not reacting to control+c either
[08:29] <xenunite> tuxx: not having kde is not the problem, but konqueror is very cool
[08:30] <HWolf> Which packages do I need to be able to play DVD's?
[08:30] <tuxx> xenunite hmm yeah. And no. It's fast yes but.. dunno why I just can browse using any other than Firefox :-)
[08:30] <geppy> HWolf:  http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt
[08:30] <tuxx> can/cant
[08:30] <xenonite> ;)
[08:30] <kapputu> firefox is very slow in ubuntu
[08:30] <xenonite> opera is nice, too
[08:30] <tuxx> kapputu what?!?
[08:31] <kapputu> how do I disable that IPv6 thing
[08:31] <tuxx> kapputu nooo.. not on my system
[08:31] <kapputu> I mean resolving names
[08:31] <tuxx> kapputu here it's faster and "lighter" than with my Mandrake
[08:31] <xenonite> kapputu: yes it takes a long tame tu start
[08:31] <xenonite> time
[08:31] <nictuku> haha my screen is filled with glitches when I play a song
[08:31] <tuxx> resolves like lightning
[08:32] <kapputu> hmm it's the same on all three machines
[08:32] <kapputu> otherwise the net is fast
[08:32] <hope> nicktuku, my alsa-utils version is 1.0.5 and apparently alsaconf is in conflict. Do you know how to solve this problem ?
[08:33] <tuxx> kapputu hmm.. I don't understand that. here it's not an issue. Maybe ISP-related?
[08:33] <tuxx> brb
[08:33] <xenonite> HWolf: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:33] <rapha> Oh and does somebody know if the Winmodem drivers for PCTel modems will work under Ubuntu?
[08:34] <tuxx> back
[08:34] <kapputu> yeah
[08:35] <kapputu> it used to be fast when I was using you-know-what-OS
[08:35] <kapputu> the one that we don't speak of
[08:37] <dredg> the correct way to make ipv6 go away is to stop the module from loading at all.
[08:37] <xenonite> konqueror ist fast with linux
[08:37] <Mojo_Jojo> Hey, i'm having a java problem. I added my path to /etc/profile and loged out and back in. But when I which java I get nothing :(
[08:37] <dredg> in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases change the line 'alias net-pf-10 ipv6' to 'alias net-pf-10 off'
[08:37] <dredg> and run update-modules
[08:38] <dredg> next reboot will prevent ipv6 from loading at all
[08:39] <HWolf> Oh, fun. Mplayer has broken dependancies.
[08:39] <xenonite> Mojo_Jojo: add it instead to /etc/environment
[08:40] <geppy> HWolf:  apt-get install libpng2-dev
[08:40] <AlohaWulf> xenonite, do you know how to make apache2 work with user directories, I keep getting permission denied
[08:40] <geppy> HWolf:  apt-get install libpng12-dev
[08:40] <geppy> Not 2, 12, sorry.
[08:41] <xenonite> AlohaWulf: hm i dont know what you are trying to do...
[08:41] <dredg> AlohaWulf: have you mod_user_dir enabled?
[08:41] <netmonk> at
[08:41] <HWolf> mplayer-386:
[08:41] <HWolf>  Depends: libartsc0 but it is not going to be installed
[08:41] <HWolf>  Depends: libggi2 but it is not going to be installed
[08:41] <HWolf>   Depends: libungif4g but 4.1.0b1-6 is to be installed
[08:41] <dredg> or mod_userdir
[08:42] <WW> HWolf: If you are trying to player DVDs, there are many alternatives to mplayer.  totem-xine, ogle, and vlc are all in universe.
[08:42] <WW> s/player/play/
[08:42] <rapha> Hey, why doesn't my ethernet connection work anymore when I'm going online with dial-up?
[08:42] <netmonk> can anyone help me get toshiba satellite to stand-by under ubuntu?
[08:43] <AlohaWulf> dredg, you tell me :-P http://rafb.net/paste/results/y1wStz99.html
[08:43] <xenonite> netmonk: suspend-to-ram wont work, only suspend-to-disk
[08:43] <HWolf> WW, if I try to install totem-xine, it wants to remove totem-gstreamer, and with it ubuntu-desktop
[08:43] <dredg> AlohaWulf: oh come on :) `ls /etc/apache2/mods-enabled'
[08:43] <hope> does anyone of you has been able to make all is hardware work properly on Ubuntu ?
[08:43] <xenonite> yes xine worked for me too
[08:44] <xenonite> yes me ;D
[08:44] <dredg> hope: yeah, but i buy hardware which i *know* will work
[08:44] <HWolf> Hope, i'm still working on my tv-tuner, which doesn't give sound. :-S
[08:44] <netmonk> xenonite, how can I tweak it to use suspend to disk?
[08:44] <xenonite> netmonk: this i dont know. how many mb of ram do you have?
[08:45] <netmonk> 256
[08:45] <WW> HWolf: Right--totem-xine replaces totem-gstreamer.  And ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package.  Removing it shouldn't be a problem.
[08:45] <rapha> Well, then I'll do it the hard way...
[08:45] <AlohaWulf> dredg, http://rafb.net/paste/results/245eZR52.html
[08:45] <rapha> ...c y later boys
[08:45] <xenonite> ok so it might be faster loading and saving those 256 mb to disk than booting everytimes
[08:45] <WW> HWolf: If you don't want to do that, I can say that ogle works fine for me :)
[08:45] <hope> dredg, HWolf: my problem is with the soundcard of my laptop, which is working properly with other distributions
[08:45] <robertj> ooh, new wikki is up
[08:45] <AlohaWulf> dredg, it does appear to be correct, but it doesnt appear to be working
[08:45] <robertj> *cheers*
[08:46] <dredg> AlohaWulf: and `ls -ld ~/public_html'
[08:46] <netmonk> xenonite, how can i do it
[08:46] <AlohaWulf> dredg, huh?
[08:46] <HWolf> WW, what exactly does ubuntu-desktop do?
[08:46] <bo> brb
[08:46] <dredg> AlohaWulf: that looks correct. public_html must be world readable
[08:46] <mbb> has anyone done a "log in" to the new wiki (www.ubuntulinux.com/wiki)recently? log in may be broken, also the lost password feature.
[08:47] <AlohaWulf> it ought to be, it and the directory above it are set 777
[08:47] <dredg> AlohaWulf: and you have an index page in there? :)
[08:47] <AlohaWulf> yes
[08:47] <dredg> odd
[08:47] <dredg> anything in the error logs?
[08:48] <WW> HWolf: Someone else could probably explain this better, but here goes.  ubuntu-desktop is basically an "empty" package, but it depends on an assortment of "real" packages that ubuntu considers to be integral parts of the desktop.
[08:48] <Mojo_Jojo> xenonite, thank you java works now :D
[08:48] <WW> HWolf: If you remove ubuntu-desktop, it will NOT remove all those dependencies.
[08:48] <AlohaWulf> didnt think to check those.. where are the located
[08:48] <HWolf> I noticed. :-)
[08:49] <dredg> AlohaWulf: /var/log/apache2
[08:49] <HWolf> Just a warning, touch this and you touch ubuntu's core. :-)
[08:49] <xenonite> Mojo_Jojo: cool :)
[08:50] <xenonite> netmonk: it might be very difficult
[08:50] <HWolf> Does this mean I can remove all those gstreamer packages?
[08:50] <Treenaks> HWolf: you can, but you'll de-install everythingt that depends on them
[08:50] <Treenaks> HWolf: so you'll probably be better of running plain Debian then...
[08:50] <netmonk> xenonite, ???
[08:50] <WW> HWolf: I'm not sure, but I don't think so.  For example, I think gstream0.8-mad is needed by apps that want to read mp3s.
[08:51] <Treenaks> WW: only apps that use gstreamer as a backedn
[08:51] <xenonite> netmonk: sorry i dont know how, i can suggest you some howtos to do it
[08:51] <Treenaks> backend too
[08:51] <HWolf> Treenaks, no. I like Debian, but I don't like the debian community at all.
[08:51] <SmokingFire> hi all
[08:51] <Mojo_Jojo> ok I have another question, I was reading the ubuntu BinaryDriverHowTo and it said there was a bug with xmms when I install the nvdia diver. Has this been fixed?
[08:51] <SmokingFire> I got a problem with synaptic
[08:51] <WW> Treenaks: Ah.
[08:51] <netmonk> xenonite, 10x
[08:51] <Treenaks> Is anyone here with an ATi 9700?
[08:52] <SmokingFire> each time I want to install a package it crashes (disappears)
[08:52] <Treenaks> (how does the driver work?)
[08:52] <Treenaks> SmokingFire: what does your session error log tell you?
[08:52] <WW> SmokingFire: Are you using warty, or were you brave enough to try hoary?
[08:52] <Treenaks> SmokingFire: (.xsession-errors)
[08:53] <SmokingFire> WW: using hoary since a few hours (did the sources.list search an replace and they smart upgrade)
[08:53] <SmokingFire> Treenaks: were can I find the session error?
[08:53] <WW> SmokingFire: There was a thread in the mailing list about synaptic breaking in hoary.
[08:54] <SmokingFire> WW: so its apt-get until its fixed
[08:54] <HWolf> Is there anyone here with a tv-tuner?
[08:55] <WW> SmokingFire: I didn't follow the thread, so I don't know if it was resolved.  Check out the archive, or the maybe the mailing-list mirror in the ubuntu forum.
[08:55] <robertj> Oh, general info: If your hardware does *not* work properly out of the box, PLEASE make sure it gets added to the hardware compatability list
[08:55] <geppy> What command-line utility is used to read rtf?
[08:55] <HWolf> Robertj, does that go for my internet connection aswell? The hardware works, but the software messes it up. Have to run route every time I boot the system.
[08:56] <bo> hrm
[08:56] <bo> bo ist already registered
[08:56] <robertj> HWolf: yeah
[08:56] <robertj> As long as it works under some other OS properly
[08:56] <SmokingFire> Treenaks: there is very long list in the .xsession-errors file but most are from synaptic and they all (as far as I have seen now) start like this: (synaptic:24979): GdkPixbuf-CRITICAL (The number changes)
[08:57] <HWolf> Robertj, where do I do that?
[08:57] <robertj> But if your router is using a b0rk version of dhcp, it would be a good things for others to know
[08:57] <HWolf> I'm on a fibre network.
[08:57] <GotD0t> HWolf where do you live?
[08:57] <HWolf> Rotterdam, the Netherlands.
[08:58] <robertj> HWolf: where at, University?
[08:58] <HWolf> Student building, I'm an BA student at Erasmus University yes.
[08:58] <robertj> and your on DHCP?
[08:58] <tuxx> kapputu did ya get the router fixed?
[08:58] <bo> jow is the mixer called in ubuntu?
[08:59] <SmokingFire> liferea, nautilus and pan all print out the same error in the x.session-errors log.
[08:59] <HWolf> There is a fibre-network inside the building. I plug a cable in the wall, and in my pc, I've got no clue about the actual hardware.
[08:59] <tuxx> hehe http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/10/30/1322227
[08:59] <SmokingFire> perhaps its theme related
[08:59] <HWolf> Outbound there is a fibre connection, where I have to authenticate with pppoe.
[09:00] <robertj> HWolf: hrmm, I wouldn't bother
[09:00] <HWolf> What I found weird is that the installer does not have an option to configure ppp.
[09:01] <robertj> HWolf: I don't, it's not all that used any more
[09:01] <rebirth> Shoot
[09:01] <rebirth> need epson drivers for the printer =[
[09:01] <robertj> Most people who use it are on cable modems who should just buy a router
[09:01] <rebirth> brb :E
[09:01] <HWolf> And I'm really annoyed that I can't find why I have to 'sudo route add default ppp0' every time I boot. :-S
[09:01] <Angelo> I currently have debian pure64 sid installed, can I just change my apt/source.list to ubuntu sources and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade?
[09:01] <bo> how is the mixer in shell named?
[09:01] <HWolf> Angelo, if you are very brave, you could. :-)
[09:02] <Angelo> not a good idea, then?
[09:03] <HWolf> Angelo, I'd try it in VM-ware, or on a seperate disk. It's close, but it's not identical.
[09:04] <SmokingFire> HWolf: couldn't you configure it from the network settings appliction?
[09:06] <HWolf> If I go and select ppp0 modem interface in 'network tools' and press configure I get "the interface ppp0 does not exist"
[09:09] <Acridien> hello
[09:10] <guile> hi room
[09:11] <Acridien> hi
[09:12] <guile> has any1 got ubuntu shipped cds so far?
[09:13] <Acridien> not me
[09:13] <HWolf> Is there anyone here with a Tv-tuner?
[09:13] <guile> Canonical is supposed to be behing the CD distribution thng isn't it?
[09:13] <WW> guile: Check out the channel topic :)
[09:15] <guile> any1 have idea where CDs will be shipped frm?
[09:16] <robertj> HWolf: I have 3, none in use now though
[09:16] <robertj> HWolf: Problems?
[09:18] <HWolf> robertj: I haven't managed to get sound. I get image tho.
[09:18] <robertj> first check the mixer
[09:18] <robertj> turn all the channels up and unmute them just to be sure
[09:18] <robertj> many cards you have to run a line out of and then put into your sound cards audio in
[09:19] <robertj> some cards allow you to do it in software
[09:19] <robertj> some do this out of the box, some can be configured to do it, and some do it only with windows drivers
[09:19] <HWolf> robertj, the hardware is ok. There is a cable going from card to audigy. :-)
[09:20] <robertj> ok
[09:20] <robertj> then first step is turn up all the mixers and unmute
[09:20] <HWolf> I've got Aslamixergui open, and everything set to green, exept analog out.
[09:21] <rebirth> hmms
[09:21] <rebirth> if i'm connecting to a windows shared printer
[09:22] <rebirth> should I need the drivers on this end?
[09:22] <HWolf> Oh, now I turned something open, and I hear sound, but Zapping isn't even on. :-)
[09:23] <robertj> So did that get you fixed up?
[09:23] <HWolf> Hm.
[09:24] <HWolf> I hear 'Radio/TV Rotterdam News' but Zapping is crashing, and I hear it when zapping is off. :-)
[09:24] <altan> hi guys, I got Ubuntu working nicely again, this time I did a custom setup though - how can I configure X to startup with Metacity?
[09:24] <robertj> Hwolf: yeah, the application has to know to mute and unmute thsoe channels
[09:24] <robertj> there probably is some config option
[09:24] <altan> I haven't installed GNOME, so when I startx I get a blank screen
[09:24] <HWolf> What application would you suggest I use? :-)
[09:25] <robertj> I don't know
[09:25] <robertj> the last one I used was mythtv
[09:25] <rebirth> :S
[09:25] <robertj> it hasn't been updated in months
[09:25] <Angelo> wish me luck
[09:25] <robertj> and its qt
[09:26] <robertj> If you just want to watch tv, tvtime is great
[09:26] <robertj> what is sapper?
[09:26] <altan> what would I have to search for? Documents on xsession or what?
[09:26] <Blondeguy> hello :)
[09:27] <HWolf> robertj, thanks. I'll try it
[09:28] <mirak_> hi hi room
[09:28] <HWolf> Holy Hell, that is great. Works way smoother then the official pinnacle software. :-)
[09:29] <robertj> DOes zapper do recording?
[09:29] <HWolf> Well, it says it does. But the interface is very minimalistic and rough.
[09:29] <robertj> can you pastei n a url
[09:30] <robertj> google is failing me on this one
[09:30] <HWolf> It's in universe.
[09:31] <Blondeguy> can someone help me resolve a problem with booting?
[09:31] <Blondeguy> x seems to hang on starting but ubuntu isnt even responding to my keyboard (which is wireless)
[09:32] <Blondeguy> so ctrl-alt-backspace does nothing
[09:32] <robertj> HWolf: I just want the web page
[09:32] <Blondeguy> and I also can't even get a vt
[09:33] <robertj> Blonde: ditch the wireless keyboard
[09:33] <HWolf> http://www.icewalkers.com/Linux/Software/515470/zapping.html
[09:33] <robertj> and list it as non-working out of the box on the Hardware Compatability page
[09:33] <Blondeguy> robertj: ok, trying it
[09:33] <robertj> Blonde: and your going to put it on the page, right ;)
[09:34] <Blondeguy> robertj: yeah
[09:34] <Blondeguy> I'm on bugzilla right now
[09:34] <tolstoy> is there a way to start an app so it spews debug info?  maybe gdb evolution, or something like that?
[09:34] <tuxx> Question regarding Evolution shipped with Warty.. is it enough to backup ~/.evolution or do I need other folders?
[09:34] <robertj> Blonde: great, add it to the hcl as well and you will be rockin
[09:36] <Blondeguy> robertj: also, two packages didnt get downloaded, would this have anything to do with it?
[09:36] <robertj> Blondes: maybe
[09:36] <robertj> Your on ubuntu?
[09:36] <Blondeguy> I'm on my mac
[09:36] <tolstoy> tuxx, I think that's enough.  I can't get evo to work on a hoary updated warty, though.
[09:36] <robertj> But plain old warty sources?
[09:36] <tolstoy> Hm. strace.
[09:36] <Blondeguy> I'm installing ubuntu on my other desktop
[09:37] <Blondeguy> robertj: it was doing its usual boot into ubutu and asking if you want to download updates, I believe one of the files was a X file
[09:37] <tuxx> tolstoy okay I'll do some testing then :)
[09:37] <robertj> ahh
[09:37] <robertj> you should be fine
[09:38] <robertj> I'd be intersting to know if it fixed it
[09:38] <robertj> but I'd assume no
[09:38] <Blondeguy> but without any way to get to a vt I cant get this thing working other than reinstalling
[09:38] <robertj> do you have a plain old keybaord handy?
[09:38] <robertj> if so, hook it up, do the ctl+alt+backspace, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and try again
[09:38] <Blondeguy> yeah, I just plugged it in and rebooted to see if that worked, same thing
[09:38] <robertj> still cant use ctl+alt+backspace?
[09:38] <Blondeguy> it isnt repsonding to the keyboard
[09:38] <tolstoy> tuxx, on one machine, I installed warty, got evo working, then updated to hoary, and things worked.
[09:39] <Blondeguy> does ubuntu active ssh on boot?
[09:39] <robertj> Blondes: even plugged in normally?
[09:39] <robertj> Blonde: nope
[09:39] <Blondeguy> robertj: yep
[09:39] <robertj> BLonde: USB?
[09:39] <tolstoy> tuxx, however, on another machine, I installed warty, then updated to hoary, and not can't get evo to recognize an existing .evolution, or to just start again. Freezes after selecting time zone.
[09:39] <Blondeguy> well that crosses out ssh'ing into it
[09:39] <Blondeguy> robertj: no, ps/2
[09:39] <altan> Is XDM supposed to start by default on startx?
[09:39] <robertj> sheesh
[09:39] <robertj> does it work in grubz?
[09:40] <altan> I'm still looking for how to enable metacity/xfce4/fluxbox on startx
[09:40] <Blondeguy> sec
[09:40] <HWolf> Robertj, which would you think is the best tv-card to buy, for linux?
[09:40] <rebirth> how the shit do i get an epson stylus cx3200 to work on here
[09:40] <Blondeguy> robertj: yep
[09:40] <rebirth> (over the network)
[09:40] <rebirth> need to print out my classwork
[09:41] <topyli> altan: startx will run whatever you have in ~/.xinitrc
[09:41] <topyli> altan: not xdm
[09:41] <altan> how can I add a new entry?
[09:41] <Blondeguy> robertj: i'm taking it that I should boot in to the recovery mode?
[09:41] <robertj> yeah, if that works
[09:41] <topyli> altan: your favorite version of emacs :)
[09:41] <altan> okay
[09:41] <robertj> I've never tried it, does ubuntu add an option to Grub for recovery?
[09:41] <robertj> (I think it does)
[09:41] <HWolf> It does
[09:41] <Blondeguy> robertj: yeah
[09:42] <tuxx> tolstoy hmm. ok. Hoary.. what's that?
[09:42] <altan> what do I add?
[09:42] <robertj> do that, and do a dist-ugprade
[09:42] <Blondeguy> thats what I'm in right now
[09:42] <Blondeguy> k
[09:42] <robertj> well, an update plus an upgrade
[09:42] <HWolf> Tuxx, hoary is the next release
[09:42] <altan> just the binary for my WM of choice?
[09:42] <tolstoy> yeah, what HWolf said.
[09:42] <tuxx> HWolf is it close ?
[09:42] <ogra> plovs: youre too fast ;)
[09:42] <topyli> altan: yes. xfce has some startup script, startxfce or something
[09:42] <tolstoy> If theme-switcher won't switch themes, do you have to kill gconf-2?
[09:43] <altan> haha, I remember trying emacs in 1999 or so, first time I used Linux, on Red Hat 6.x. I freaked out and rebooted the system cause I didn't know the exit command
[09:43] <altan> hmm ok topyli
[09:43] <HWolf> Tuxx, for the moment yeah, but it will be the place where devs are working on getting x.org and gnome 2.10 in, so it'll change a lot
[09:43] <topyli> altan: but the xinitrc file must be a sane, runnable script
[09:44] <Blondeguy> robertj: wow, it looks like a lot of packages didnt get downloaded..
[09:44] <robertj> do that then
[09:44] <plovs> ogra, nah, the server was down, and just came up :)
[09:44] <topyli> altan: first line: #!/bin/sh, last line: exec fluxbox
[09:44] <altan> thanks topyli
[09:45] <ogra> plovs: thanks for the invitation, i'll work out som nice scripts ;)
[09:45] <altan> that's it?
[09:45] <altan> again, thanks a lot, it's kinda difficult to browse with w3m, more so when my dialup is hogged by apt
[09:45] <plovs> would be nice, if you copy them from other places, ask the guy it belongs to if you can remove all thos copyright lines
[09:46] <topyli> altan: well, you'll probably add lines in between, like "xscreensaver &&" and so on
[09:46] <plovs> ogra, that was for you :)
[09:46] <altan> it's enough to get me started
[09:46] <HWolf> robertj, where can I find that hardware compatability list?
[09:47] <robertj> on the wiki
[09:47] <ogra> plovs: understood, but do we want to force copyright removal ?
[09:47] <plovs> ogra, no but it is kind of stupod to have 3 lines of script plus 20 lines copyright
[09:47] <ogra> plovs: i could imagine some people are not happy without credits
[09:48] <plovs> ogra, try credit: ogra rulez, and next line: gpl v2 , something like that
[09:48] <ogra> plovs: k, but i thik a (c) mailaddress@copyright.holder should be in
[09:48] <altan> wouldn't it be possible to have the copyright file externally?
[09:49] <ogra> altan: in a 5 row script ? hmm
[09:49] <plovs> altan, for small scripts it is kind of silly
[09:49] <robertj> mC4fpr
[09:49] <robertj> doh
[09:49] <plovs> ogra,  (c) mailaddress@copyright.holder + license type might be enough , and mail the person whose script it is, if he complains, we'll rewrite the script
[09:50] <robertj> that was my default wiki password btw ;)
[09:50] <ogra> plovs: sounds good ;)
[09:50] <robertj> _was_. mC4fpr
[09:50] <plovs> robertj, :)
[09:50] <robertj> doh
[09:50] <robertj> can't copy & paste from firefox's url box :(
[09:50] <plovs> robertj, you want a new one? ty67jk is good :)
[09:50] <topyli> robertj: don't worry, i'll go and change it everywhere now =)
[09:51] <ogra> LOL
[09:51] <bo> is it possible that ctrl+F1 don't work under ubutu?
[09:51] <yohannes> anyone has succcessfully installed mozilla-mplayer plugin for firefox?
[09:51] <topyli> bo: what is supposed to happen when you do that? or do you mean ctrl+alt+F1
[09:51] <yohannes> i got this error: http://members.cox.net/zer0sn0nes/Screenshot.png
[09:53] <bo> topyli, sry im mean ^+alt+F1
[09:53] <topyli> should work
[09:53] <bo> thx
[09:53] <plovs> yohannes, you need -386 or something
[09:54] <lesshaste>  can anyone help me understand why /proc/meminfo says 0 shared memory and top says there is lots of shared memory?
[09:54] <ogra> yohannes: do you use the testing matillat repo ? or the unstable one ?
[09:54] <WW> yohannes: Install mplayer-<your-architecture-here>
[09:54] <yohannes> ogra: let me check on the sources list
[09:54] <bo> jkgldjgkgjlgjsd
[09:54] <topyli> yohannes: i couldn't install mplayer for a while, but one day it worked :)
[09:54] <ogra> yohannes: you need _testing_
[09:55] <bo> sry, wasnt me :P
[09:55] <Blondeguy> robertj: hmmm, its says at boot that it is ignoring the pci device..
[09:55] <ogra> WW/plovs: gets sucked in automatically iirc
[09:56] <robertj> hrmm, is it blacklisted?
[09:56] <Blondeguy> robertj: and it still wont boot
[09:56] <Blondeguy> robertj: I think so
[09:56] <yohannes> ogra: honestly now i am not sure which repo i used
[09:56] <Blondeguy> the keyboard still doesnt respond either
[09:57] <altan> Even if cupsys recommends it in apt, I don't really need to get smbclient if I have no Windows machines on my network, right?
[09:57] <ogra> yohannes: see the last topic: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:59] <robertj> Blond: what pci device is being ignored?
[09:59] <GeosB> where is there a html to setup java on ubuntu
[10:00] <Blondeguy> robertj: 00:01.0
[10:00] <robertj> can someone do me a favor and email me the default sources.list to rcaskey@ NOSPAM ;)  uga.edu
[10:01] <ogra> GeosB: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:01] <GeosB> thanks
[10:02] <robertj> Blond: can you use dmesg to find out what device that is
[10:03] <Blondeguy> robertj: yeah
[10:03] <robertj> btw, can someone _please_ email me that?
[10:03] <robertj> I'm making a tutorial on how to add RestrictedFormats and I don't have a copy handy
[10:03] <trans_err> I just installed ubuntu on a new hard drive (a migration from debian sid) and wanted to know how I could force evolution 2.0 to load my 1.4 data file... and import all settings/mail
[10:04] <WW> ogra: That's because most everything else Just Works (TM)   :)
[10:04] <Blondeguy> robertj: hmm, could it also be because the partitioner only made a / partition and a swap partition?
[10:04] <ogra> robertj: the wiki is not enough ?
[10:04] <Blondeguy> and not a /boot, / and swap
[10:04] <ogra> WW: but its sad.....
[10:05] <ogra> WW: ... that we need this
[10:05] <bo> sry, should have been the last time switching around
[10:05] <robertj> ogre: I was going to do a little point and click guide with synaptic
[10:05] <WW> ogra: Well, ubuntu could add a little utility to install java, flash stuff, etc.  Something like Libranet's Adminmenu.
[10:06] <ogra> robertj: i see....
[10:07] <robertj> ogra: I remember my first experience with linux was very bad because it involved editing a config file that crashed the daemon in question because of wrong line-ending styles
[10:07] <robertj> its one more skill most users will hopefully never need
[10:07] <topyli> WW: it could call for the debian flash installer, mscorefonts, java-package as needed/wanted
[10:07] <ogra> robertj: i remember such things too ;)
[10:08] <topyli> i forget such things instantly
[10:08] <topyli> and make the same mistakes again
[10:08] <plovs> WW, if you could find it, libranet has lots of its stuff under gpl, we could just put it in the wiki (for now)
[10:09] <rebirth> anyone had any problems with 'lock screen' ?
[10:09] <rebirth> as in it being slow or not workin?
[10:09] <ogra> robertj: your address ? mail is ready....
[10:09] <robertj> rcaskey @ NOSPAM uga.edu
[10:09] <robertj> (is this channel logged to the net?)
[10:10] <robertj> %s/net/web/g
[10:10] <topyli> heh
[10:10] <topyli> dunno
[10:10] <WW> plovs: I've never really looked at the guts of Adminmenu (lots of perl scripts, I think), so I don't know much about it... other than it is a very convenient, user-friendly feature.
[10:10] <ogra> there is someone called wartylog ... hmm
[10:10] <robertj> thus the nospam ;)
[10:11] <plovs> you have it? you could mail it to me
[10:11] <ogra> robertj: sent ...
[10:11] <plovs> for WW
[10:11] <HWolf> Why do so many packages rely on 'laptop-detect'?
[10:11] <bo> mk, i have to say: ubuntu rocks! (also because its a debian :P)
[10:11] <robertj> ogre: thank you much
[10:11] <topyli> WW: if you have libranet somewhere, you could check the adminmenu license
[10:12] <topyli> WW: i've only seen screenshots but it seems very cool
[10:12] <ogra> plovs: there is a debian package for flash (just a downloader) ... i think this could be done for java too
[10:12] <topyli> ogra: there's java-package which makes a deb out of sun's java. but it doesn't download it
[10:12] <WW> plovs: I have Libranet on my laptop.  The computer I'm using now used to be Libranet, but evil parted mangled my reiserfs partition, and then I installed ubuntu instead of reinstalling Libranet.
[10:13] <ogra> topl: so with a little extensoin it could ;)
[10:13] <topyli> yes
[10:13] <plovs> WW, it would be interisting to take a look at it the stuf in Adminmenu
[10:14] <topyli> ogra: and there's msttcorefonts, which is kinda similar
[10:14] <plovs> yes msttcorefonts is also missing in ubuntu
[10:14] <ogra> topl: there one could steal the download code *g*
[10:14] <ogra> topyli
[10:14] <topyli> yes!
[10:15] <topyli> and there's the realplayer installer, but currently i think it installs rp8
[10:15] <WW> plovs: I can't do it now, but maybe this week.  By the way, Libranete 2.8.1 is currently available for free... if you have a computer to install it on.
[10:15] <ogra> r10 has an rpm, could be repackaged
[10:15] <topyli> ah
[10:16] <plovs> WW, i like ubuntu, besides it would take too much time, i rather type in the wiki
[10:16] <topyli> ogra: but there might be a problem distributing the package
[10:16] <topyli> we should only have an installer
[10:16] <ogra> topyli: hmm, probably we could send it back to real for distribution
[10:17] <topyli> ogra: yes, they do seem friendly these days
[10:17] <ogra> won't do much harm to offer a deb beside the rpm that already exists
[10:17] <WW> plovs: Right.  Nothing worth installing just to look at a few files!
[10:18] <WW> s/Nothing/Not/
[10:18] <plovs> WW, yeah, ubuntu works ok
[10:19] <robertj> ogra: I need /etc/apt/sources.list from a default install
[10:19] <robertj> not the wiki contents ;)
[10:19] <SmokingFire> I'm trying to install gaim-vv but when trying to compile libphone-im I get an error message that gdk is not installed or not in the path.
[10:20] <SmokingFire> I looked in synaptic and the only packages that are called gdk<something> and that are not installed are frameworks for ruby and python.
[10:21] <ogra> robertj: i'll send it...
[10:21] <robertj> thanks
[10:25] <HWolf> Where does Ubuntu store it's grub.conf file?
[10:26] <ogra> HWolf: you mean  /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[10:26] <nictuku> you guys should make clear what language Ubuntu is. "African" is very unprecise.
[10:27] <robertj> nict: Yeah, we can just change it to say it's from the Dark Continent
[10:27] <mirak_> lol
[10:28] <nictuku> a joke? :P
[10:28] <HWolf> ogra, thanks, yes.
[10:29] <SmokingFire> It does say South African not?
[10:29] <SmokingFire> that already something
[10:29] <protocol> hey all
[10:29] <WW> SmokingFire: "South African" is not a language!
[10:30] <robertj> South Africa has only existed for like what, 60 years?
[10:30] <tolstoy> I thought it was mentioned the word was from Zulu, no?
[10:30] <SmokingFire> I know. I know at least three languages that people speak their: Zulu, Xhosa and English.
[10:30] <WW> tolstoy: That's what I heard.
[10:30] <HWolf> I'm switching to an amd-athlon kernel, wish me luck.
[10:30] <protocol> hmm... anyone know how to get .Xresources to work?
[10:30] <tolstoy> HWolf, how do you go about doing that?
[10:30] <mirak_> good luck
[10:31] <SmokingFire> HWolf: have a nice kernel panic ;)
[10:31] <tolstoy> HWolf, I was just looking for it in the package listings.  Say K7.
[10:31] <HWolf> tolstroy, sorry. :-)
[10:31] <HWolf> smokingfire, don't you scare me!
[10:32] <HWolf> brb
[10:32] <tolstoy> er, saw K7, but I'm thinking this 2800+ ain't that. ;)
[10:32] <HWolf> *g*
[10:32] <protocol> When I try to get .Xresources to work I get a bash error... anyone know of this?
[10:32] <tolstoy> was hoping a kernel switch would fix evolution.  desperate here.
[10:32] <ogra> tolstoy: why should a kernel affect evo ?
[10:33] <nictuku> actually it mentions Zulu. But Zulu should be used in the phrase "Ubuntu is an African word..." in the FAQ, IMHO.
[10:33] <tolstoy> ogra, no idea. was doing strace to see why I can't get past the new-account gui. seems to stop on a write.
[10:33] <ogra> tolstoy: permissions checked in ~/.evolution ?
[10:34] <tolstoy> Is it possible the word originated as zulu, but is now used in many languages?
[10:34] <mirak_> ogra, bot: maybe there is something on the wiki to solve the problem
[10:34] <tolstoy> ogra, well, I remove .evolution, then start evo, and I get the prob.  A glance through the result doesn't seem to make anything non-writable for my user account.
[10:35] <topyli> tolstoy: perhaps they just use "africa" instead of "zulu" to give a clue to the clueless :)
[10:35] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/meaning-of-ubuntu/
[10:35] <ogra> ;)
[10:35] <protocol> Are any of you using .Xresources or .Xdefaults in Ubuntu??
[10:35] <tolstoy> They could say, "from the Zulu language of Africa".
[10:35] <topyli> yes
[10:36] <HWolf> Here we are on the K7 kernel. :-)
[10:36] <tolstoy> Ubuntu is pronounced "Ooh-BOON-too", in case your Zulu is a little rusty.
[10:36] <protocol> topyli, yes as in you are using a .Xresources?
[10:36] <protocol> oh...
[10:36] <topyli> no :)
[10:36] <tolstoy> HWolf, does it make the whole ubuntu experience that much better?
[10:36] <protocol> hmm.... I'm trying to configure aterm but cant..
[10:36] <nictuku> "from the Zulu language of Africa" would be perfect :)
[10:36] <robertj> ogra: does the default sources.list have the apt-cdrom source?
[10:36] <Blondeguy> robertj: http://blondeguy.homelinux.net/dmesg
[10:37] <robertj> or does that get removed now
[10:37] <protocol> robertj, yea it should have the apt-cdrom source... just check it out. /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:37] <ogra> robertj: yes, but i'm not sure if its commented by default
[10:38] <robertj> Blonde: have you tried no acpi and no apic?
[10:38] <altan> awesome, xfce4 works now, coming back in XChat
[10:38] <altan> thanks
[10:38] <robertj> I think it's not
[10:38] <ogra> robertj: i think it depends on your decision on instal (download packages or not)
[10:38] <robertj> proto: I dont have a default sources.list
[10:38] <ogra> +l
[10:38] <topyli> nictuku: wikipedia says ubuntu comes from the "Zulu and Xhosa languages"
[10:38] <ogra> roberj: i just sent you one ;)
[10:38] <tolstoy> ogra, yeah, even umask 000 doesn't help. ;(
[10:38] <protocol> robertj, huh? waddaya mean? you dont have /etc/apt/sources.list?
[10:38] <robertj> ogra: it's not got the cd source
[10:39] <ogra> ??
[10:39] <robertj> proto: I modded mine, so ogra sent me his, but it doesn't have the cd source
[10:39] <robertj> and I seem to recall it having one
[10:39] <robertj> so users may or may not have it in there depending on whether they selected to install packages...
[10:39] <robertj> hrmm
[10:39] <tolstoy> if hoary.evolution is having permission problems, it seems to be creating them for itself.
[10:39] <protocol> robertj, then add this line to your sources.list
[10:39] <ogra> robertj: in my sent folder it has ....
[10:40] <robertj> oh I'm sorry
[10:40] <ogra> first line ;)
[10:40] <robertj> ogra's does
[10:40] <protocol> robertj, deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Unofficial i386 Binary-1 (20040915)] / unstable main restricted
[10:40] <robertj> I thought that was just a comment
[10:40] <robertj> I'm silly
[10:40] <robertj> thanks
[10:40] <mdz> tolstoy: 2800+ is an athlon
[10:40] <mdz> (== k7)
[10:41] <protocol> add it to your sources.list ;)
[10:41] <tolstoy> Ah.  It's been so long since I paid attention.  Thanks, mdz.
[10:41] <ogra> this line is silly, i never recognized unstable in it....
[10:41] <protocol> in what?
[10:41] <ogra> should be warty :(
[10:41] <ogra> the cd line
[10:41] <protocol> ah
[10:41] <topyli> mdz: yeah, it's no better than my duron 900 :)
[10:42] <mdz> ogra: it's correct as-is
[10:42] <ogra> topl: its warmer ;)
[10:42] <topyli> hehe
[10:42] <ogra> mdz: i guess it would be hard to change now ;)
[10:43] <protocol> mdz, you know anything about .Xresources in Ubuntu?
[10:43] <topyli> athlon/duron users: use athcool, it's nice
[10:43] <seb128> what's the problem with .Xressources ?
[10:43] <protocol> seb128, nothin is the problem... just cant get it to work thats all
[10:43] <topyli> protocol: that's the spirit :)
[10:43] <seb128> protocol: how are you using it ?
[10:44] <SmokingFire> how hard is for a non programmer to create a debian package out of a tarball?
[10:44] <protocol> seb128, well, created the .Xreources file added what I wanted (and I know how ;) ), saved, and did source ~/.Xresources. All I get is bash: "  " command not found errors
[10:44] <altan> XFCE4 is awesome. I'm glad I took the time to do a custom install, it definitely feels snappier
[10:45] <dredg> SmokingFire: depends how good you are at RTFMing :)
[10:45] <seb128> protocol: just restart gnome or the gnome-settings-daemon
[10:45] <topyli> altan: it sure is faster, but it ain't gnome
[10:45] <seb128> protocol: it should be automatically used
[10:45] <SmokingFire> dredg: but so its possible
[10:45] <seb128> protocol: what are you using in it ?
[10:45] <nictuku> it's not hard, it's a PITA if you want to follow debian policies strictly. many things to consider.
[10:45] <protocol> seb128, aterm
[10:45] <seb128> line . ?
[10:45] <protocol> seb128, heh all the aterm lines
[10:45] <tolstoy> isn't there a command you can run after make to create a deb?
[10:46] <dredg> SmokingFire: yes it is. you just need some extra packages installed
[10:46] <altan> topyli: What's so great about GNOME? I don't feel like I'm missing something after the constant crashes :/
[10:46] <seb128> protocol: give me one line so I can test here ...
[10:46] <topyli> SmokingFire: if you just want packages for yourself, use checkinstall
[10:46] <SmokingFire> nictuku: I was wondering as I'm trying to install gaim-vv and it basically it working now but if it were a debian package with apt-get it would have been very easy to do
[10:46] <protocol> aterm*transparent:true  <----- seb128
[10:46] <tolstoy> Yeah, checkinstall, that's it.
[10:46] <seb128> altan: you can some crashes with GNOME ?
[10:46] <topyli> altan: your gnome install is screwed. it doesn't crash
[10:46] <tolstoy> checkinstall works well if it's a standard C/make project.
[10:46] <TheMuso> chkinstall is for Slackware packages only afaik
[10:47] <rebirth> lock screen
[10:47] <dredg> SmokingFire: but it does depend on the complexity of the package. some apps are very difficult to package
[10:47] <rebirth> isn't working AT ALL
[10:47] <topyli> TheMuso: slack, rpm, deb
[10:47] <seb128> rebirth: is the screensaver activated ?
[10:47] <altan> I installed Ubuntu twice and it crashed often enough to make me forget about it. It was usable but not better than Windows, in fact quite worse than Windows
[10:47] <SmokingFire> so read the debian policy first I guess then.
[10:47] <rebirth> seb128, you mean do i have a screensaver chosen?
[10:47] <tolstoy> folks, do pretty much and USB hard drives (for back up purposes) work well with linux these days?
[10:47] <seb128> rebirth: you need to have xscreensaver running to use the lockscreen feature
[10:47] <protocol> seb128, you added anything to /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default?
[10:47] <SmokingFire> tolstoy: what does checkinstall do?
[10:48] <tolstoy> altan, maybe you have some bad memory in there?
[10:48] <rebirth> seb128, i see the problem -.-
[10:48] <rebirth> it crashed
[10:48] <rebirth> thanks :)
[10:48] <ogra> SmokingFire: youll need debhelper
[10:48] <seb128> protocol: no, xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources works ?
[10:48] <SmokingFire> altan: what made it crash?
[10:48] <tolstoy> SmokingFire, I think it figures out (based on the make file) where your files will be installed and creates a deb based on that.
[10:48] <ogra> SmokingFire: should include everything for packaging
[10:48] <altan> SmokingFire: Not GNOME itself, but the configuration stuff
[10:48] <altan> things under the Computer menu
[10:48] <tolstoy> SmokingFire, but I don't know. I tried to use it with SBCL (common lisp) and it didn't work at all.
[10:49] <altan> it was also kind of sluggish
[10:49] <protocol> seb128, nah. havent added it to the Defaults. Was askin u tho
[10:49] <topyli> altan: those crash?
[10:49] <seb128> protocol: I don't get the question so ... what's the problem ?
[10:49] <altan> topyli, 40% of the time
[10:49] <seb128> altan: which app ?
[10:49] <nictuku> are you guys planning to have a web interface to ubuntu packages? a la p.d.o
[10:49] <protocol> seb128, .Xresources is not being read period.
[10:49] <topyli> altan: make another user, they get the default gnome. see if it crashes
[10:50] <altan> I had the most trouble with the networking configuration (both ppp and eth0) from the GNOME managers, it kept crashing when i closed the program
[10:50] <seb128> protocol: if you run "xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources", does it works ?
[10:50] <nictuku> i'd love to help if you need perl developers.
[10:50] <protocol> seb128, hol on
[10:50] <altan> topyli: I don't have GNOME anymore, and I don't really care for it, doesn't add anything to my experience except slightly slow operation
[10:50] <ogra> nictuku: its planned
[10:51] <topyli> altan: that's fine. xfce is a nice desktop, and gnome apps fit in there quite well
[10:51] <protocol> seb128, oh yea it does
[10:51] <protocol> :>
[10:51] <protocol> thanks man
[10:51] <SmokingFire> altan: are you using hoary?
[10:51] <altan> SmokingFire, Warty
[10:51] <seb128> protocol: no problem ... this should be done automatically on the session start
[10:51] <topyli> altan: then you should not uninstall gnome but report bugs
[10:51] <SmokingFire> ok, as I had that problem with hoary but reverted back to warty
[10:52] <tolstoy> altan, I have that prob with hoary.
[10:52] <nictuku> shouldn't the link in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/wiki/link_view be fixed?
[10:52] <seb128> altan: you have a problem with one software, don't judge GNOME on that
[10:52] <altan> topyli, that'd probably make me a better person, GNOME a better DE and Ubuntu a better distro but it kinda slipped my mind with the frustration
[10:52] <ogra> nictuku: sure... want to fix it ?
[10:52] <tuxx> hmm all of a sudden many of my icons in Gnome is replaced by a red x ...
[10:53] <topyli> altan: heh, first things first
[10:53] <altan> seb128, I understand why some people like GNOME, I sort of like it but it's okay
[10:53] <tuxx> what could that be?
[10:53] <altan> tuxx, I had that too
[10:53] <tuxx> altan how'd ya fix it?
[10:53] <altan> tuxx, fixed itself on a reboot
[10:53] <robertj> Blondeguy: that looks nasty
[10:53] <robertj> make sure that finds its way to the appropriate section of the wiki and bugtrack
[10:53] <tuxx> altan that's disturbing.. I just rebooted.. and still the same.
[10:53] <mdz> tuxx: in my experience, that means that gnome-settings-daemon is not running. did you upgrade recently?
[10:53] <altan> also set the themes back to the default
[10:53] <altan> tuxx, it took more than one and some messing around with the icon choices
[10:53] <tuxx> mdz no. just changed background and restartet X
[10:53] <mdz> nictuku: yes, there will be a web interface to package information
[10:54] <altan> set the theme and all the icons to default in the themes panel
[10:54] <Blondeguy> robertj: yeah, it does
[10:54] <TheMuso> If one wants to build there own repository out of packages they have rebuilt etc, what ocmmand do I have to look into to do this?
[10:55] <nictuku> mdz, in what language is the site programmed in mostly?
[10:55] <ogra> nictuku: python
[10:55] <mdz> nictuku: the website is based on plone, and therefore zope, and therefore python
[10:55] <protocol> thanks guys... bbiab :>
[10:56] <nictuku> so I guess the web interface to packages will be python too..
[10:56] <marc> hi
[10:56] <mdz> nictuku: we standardize on python for development wherever possible
[10:57] <Gary> Hi
[10:57] <marc> I've got a lil problem concerning powernow... I asked this some weeks ago and got a workaround (some insmod?), does anybody happen to know how to solve the non working powernow AMD Feature?
[10:58] <marc> at the moment the gnome cpufreq applet jumps from 130 ghz to 1083 ghz
[10:58] <GoneBoB> marc: wow
[10:58] <dredg> i wish my desktop ran at 1083ghz
[10:58] <marc> hehe
[10:58] <marc> yes
[10:58] <mcdonc|xboxin> marc: its working ok on my pentium m,,,
[10:58] <GoneBoB> I wish mine ran at 130
[10:58] <marc> it's a bug...
[10:58] <marc> or maybe a feature :D
[10:59] <ogra> if its a real value i'd consider it a feature
[10:59] <marc> hehe... 130 ghz... now THAT would be some overclocking :D
[10:59] <mconc> marc: it gets its data from the proc filesystem (or maybe somewhere in /sys), have you looked to see what the values reported there are?
[11:00] <marc> how is the module for powernow called?
[11:00] <marc> powernow_k7... or k7-powernow... k7_powernow... powernow-k7...
[11:01] <topyli> marc: what does lm_sensors say about your cpu temperature? =)
[11:01] <mconc> haha
[11:01] <GoneBoB> oh look.. it reports 200 deg C
[11:01] <marc> my cpu runs at max speed
[11:01] <marc> 1,8 ghz
[11:01] <GoneBoB> although to acheive 120ghz be more like to be -200
[11:01] <Kyaneos> hi
[11:01] <topyli> hehe
[11:02] <marc> it's an already reported bug I think
[11:02] <mconc> marc: i think (at least on my system) the relevant module is cpufreq_powersave
[11:02] <marc> bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1444
[11:03] <Gary> Hi, I can't get sound working on VIA 8233 based MB.  Some may recognize this question.  I asked on the mailing list too.
[11:03] <topyli> Gary: ac97 or whats-the-chip-called?
[11:03] <ogra> 640kb will be enough for everyone ;)
[11:04] <ogra> LucidVisions
[11:04] <marc> where are the modules located?
[11:04] <topyli> ogra: but "everyone" is not many because there's a market for maybe 50 computers in the world
[11:04] <Gary> It's the VIA 8233, the manual calls it AC97.  Windows calls it AC97.
[11:04] <ogra> *g*
[11:04] <HWolf> How can I test if my fglrx-drivers are working ok?
[11:04] <topyli> Gary: someone else had trouble with that also.
[11:05] <topyli> Gary: it's a very common, very buggy chip, but there's a lot of info on the web
[11:05] <mconc> marc: i have a tp t42p and my cat of /proc/cpufreq says my cpu is capable of 600000KHz - 1800000Khz, what does yours say?
[11:05] <ogra> HWolf: buy doom3 ?
[11:05] <marc> nothing
[11:05] <Gary> topyli:  I'm thinking I might just buy the support.  Thought I'd run it through here first.
[11:05] <marc> simply says "minumum  ----- maximum"
[11:05] <marc> no numbers
[11:06] <HWolf> Ogra, I don't like shooters. Port R:TW to linux for me, and you'll earn my devotion. :-)
[11:06] <marc> but the bug has been reported ---> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1444
[11:06] <altan> what's the command to start synaptic w/o using a terminal window? I tried gksu but it doesn't work.
[11:06] <marc> I'd just have to modprobe the powernow module
[11:06] <marc> but i dunno where they are located
[11:06] <marc> or how the module is called
[11:06] <ogra> HWolf: R:TW ?
[11:06] <topyli> Gary: i think last time we talked about it here, we concluded buying a cheap sound blaster 128 is the solution :)
[11:06] <georgia> altan: sudo synaptic
[11:06] <AlohaWulf> woo.. got VMware working
[11:07] <HWolf> ogra: Rome: Total War. Strategy game of the year 2004. :-)
[11:07] <altan> georgia: that opens a term window though :/
[11:07] <mconc> marc: i dont think there is a powernow module.  there is a cpufreq module and apparently a speedstep module (not sure how they relate)
[11:07] <ogra> HWolf: ah
[11:07] <georgia> oh, sorry half aslkeep, thought you wnated to do it IN a terminal window
[11:07] <Gary> topyli:  Oh man that's such a simple and good idea.  Why didn't I think of that. :)
[11:07] <marc> mconc, i remember that I already did powernow insmods
[11:07] <topyli> Gary: i have the same chip onboard, but i've never tried to use it. i have a sb128 :)
[11:07] <altan> I want to make a launcher
[11:08] <georgia> altan: gksudo /usr/sbin/synaptic in the launcher will do it
[11:08] <marc> speedstep = powernow for intels :D
[11:08] <altan> ah, I'll try that
[11:08] <mconc> marc: i think if there are modules for that, they are for amd chips and you have a piii, right?
[11:08] <altan> I was just using gksu
[11:08] <marc> no
[11:08] <marc> athlon xp mobile
[11:09] <altan> georgia, doesn't work :/
[11:09] <marc> generall: where are modules located?
[11:09] <georgia> altan: doesnt do anything?
[11:09] <Gary> topyli: I suppose if I wanted to help support ubuntu I could buy support but there's no guarantee that we'd get is working and may end up with the same result.... buy a sb128.
[11:09] <altan> I turned on startup notification and it says Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root
[11:09] <altan> no, /usr/share/synaptic
[11:09] <mconc> marc: oic, the bug said a tp 21 w/ a piii, thought that was you.
[11:10] <topyli> Gary: i seem to remember some mandrake users have worked it out on alt.os.linux.mandrake. perhaps have a look at the archives
[11:10] <altan> oh god, I'm an idiot
[11:10] <altan> nevermind
[11:10] <marc> ooops
[11:10] <topyli> nevermind, god
[11:10] <marc> gotta go
[11:10] <AlohaWulf> Gary, what card fo you have now?
[11:10] <georgia> altan: you're only human, mistakes happen
[11:10] <altan> works perfectly, thanks
[11:10] <Gary> AlohaWulf: it's built on the MB.
[11:10] <altan> I found it with the find command but it was the wrong one, heh. thanks again
[11:11] <AlohaWulf> Gary, let me rephrase.. what chipset then :-P
[11:11] <Beast> hey all. Are any developers around? I would like to ask what are the chances of getting a package in a ubuntu repository for the program xchat-systray-plugin?
[11:12] <JoeB> um, stupid question here... I just installed Ubuntu for the first time, and nowhere did it ask me for what I wanted the root password to be.. is there a default root password?
[11:12] <Gary> I think what you are asking is VIA 8233.  The manual also says VIA KM266 (Northbridge)
[11:12] <Beast> JoeB, no root password in ubuntu
[11:12] <Beast> JoeB, the root account is disabled and you can use sudo to get root access
[11:12] <JoeB> ah, ok
[11:12] <Beast> JoeB, by default the first user you created can do sudo
[11:12] <topyli> Beast: i used to have a debian package that worked on ubuntu. don't remember if i got it from somewhere or built it myself, but it's definitely doable
[11:12] <Dekkard> im used to rp-ppoe..vanilla version.. what is the command to reconfigure your network in debian distros?
[11:13] <Beast> topyli, ooooh wow
[11:13] <HWolf> Hm, what's the command to get frlrx-control up?
[11:13] <AlohaWulf> Gary, Ive had a fair bit of experence with funky sound cards
[11:13] <AlohaWulf> OSS seems to work better on some then ALSA
[11:14] <Matt|> topyli, you don't happen to still have it do ya?
[11:14] <topyli> Matt|: i'm not a ubuntu developer though, i don't know what they think
[11:14] <Matt|> topyli, i would be grateful just to get hold of it :)
[11:15] <Gary> AlohaWulf: is it a simple matter of changing it with apt-get or synaptic?
[11:15] <topyli> Matt|: i don't seem to have it anymore. i don't use xchat anymore so i think i've deleted it :(
[11:15] <Gary> AlohaWulf : from ALSA to OSS I mean.
[11:15] <Matt|> topyli, ah ok
[11:15] <topyli> Matt|: i remember it was rather painless
[11:16] <AlohaWulf> Gary, you might wanna ask some of those who are more familiar with Debian/Ubuntu then I am, I could tell ya how to do it on Mandrake :-P
[11:16] <Matt|> topyli, i have never used debian system before: so I don't know how to build progs
[11:16] <topyli> Matt|: if i made it myself, i made it with checkinstall (that's how i make my packages)
[11:16] <Matt|> ok
[11:16] <Gary> AlohaWulf:  okay no prob.  Thanks for the advice.
[11:17] <topyli> Matt|: on the site you get the source. untar, ./configure, make, checkinstall
[11:17] <topyli> install checkinstall first :)
[11:17] <kapputu> hi everyone
[11:17] <kapputu> hi Matt|
[11:17] <kapputu> hi topyli
[11:17] <Matt|> topyli, sounds easy :)
[11:17] <Matt|> hi kapputu
[11:17] <topyli> Matt|: it is
[11:17] <Matt|> topyli, ok i'll try it
[11:17] <Matt|> checkinstall sounds clever
[11:17] <nictuku> hmmm that automatic vfat check not only is ugly, but it screwed my partition :P
[11:17] <kapputu> what's checkinstall for ?
[11:18] <kapputu> nictuku: you might want to change your nick to nickutu
[11:18] <topyli> Matt|: you'll miss some development packages in the beginning, just install what ./configure complains about
[11:18] <Matt|> topyli, yes probably. i just did a reinstall :(
[11:18] <nictuku> why, kapputu?
[11:18] <kapputu> because it rhymes with ubuntu and kapputu
[11:18] <kapputu> :-P
[11:19] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[11:19] <kapputu> hi [Phaedrus] 
[11:19] <nictuku> hoho
[11:19] <topyli> nictuku: kapputu has a strong point there :)
[11:19] <GoneBoB> and bobutu
[11:19] <xenonite> kapputu: checkinstall is very useful if you want to uninstall a program later
[11:19] <kapputu> no georgia what about georgutu ?
[11:19] <HrdwrBoB> Hrdwrutu ?
[11:19] <georgia> nah, dont like the sound of that one
[11:20] <kapputu> xenonite: can I not use apt-get remove or is this for ones that I make ?
[11:20] <georgia> i think i'll stick with plain ole "georgia"
[11:20] <ogra> ogruntu
[11:20] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[11:20] <ogra> (bot)
[11:20] <[Phaedrus] > hi kapputu
[11:20] <kapputu> oh ok, this is for ones where you do a make install ?
[11:20] <topuntu> kapputu: checkinstall?
[11:20] <xenonite> kapputu: but if you compile the sources... you usually run `make install`
[11:21] <[Phaedrus] > somebody is compiling the kernel?
[11:21] <kapputu> [Phaedrus] :  me not yet :-)
[11:21] <[Phaedrus] > woohoo!
[11:21] <kapputu> but I want to do it
[11:21] <kapputu> probably sometime next week
[11:21] <[Phaedrus] > nice nice
[11:21] <xenonite> kapputu: but if the developer of that program forgot to implement a `make uninstall` routine, you dont know which files to delete
[11:21] <[Phaedrus] > just make sure you dont need your computer for a couple of hours
[11:22] <kapputu> I have others ...
[11:22] <xenonite> and checkinstall solves this by recording the files a program installs
[11:22] <[Phaedrus] > awesome
[11:22] <kapputu> xenonite: how do I uninstall then ?
[11:22] <topyli> kapputu: you use apt
[11:23] <kapputu> to uninstall what I installed by compiling the source ?
[11:23] <topyli> kapputu: yes, checkinstall makes a proper deb package and installs it
[11:23] <kapputu> ic
[11:23] <georgia> sweet!
[11:23] <kapputu> hmm I installed mplayer by compiling the source
[11:23] <kapputu> wish I had known
[11:24] <kapputu> Klowner_ is now known as Klowner - are you sure ? Klownutu seems better
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> oh well
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> now you know
[11:24] <topyli> kapputu: the point is, if foo depends on bar, and you've installed bar from source, apt won't know about that. but if you make a deb with checkinstall, apt knows you have bar
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> not a huge deal
[11:24] <Matt|> topyli, there is no configure in the xchat-systray package
[11:24] <kapputu> ic
[11:24] <Matt|> topyli, just an ./install script
[11:24] <Klowner> kapputu: heheh
[11:25] <Matt|> topyli, mebbe i will just run that
[11:25] <kapputu> what about CPAN modules
[11:25] <xenonite> checkinstall is very nice, and works with deb _and_ rpm
[11:25] <topyli> Matt|: hmm. what does the readme say?
[11:25] <xenonite> btw, how do i install .deb-files?
[11:25] <topyli> xenonite: dpkg -i foo.deb
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> dpkg -i foo.deb
[11:25] <Matt|> To compile this plugin just type "make"
[11:25] <Matt|> just load it in xchat or put it in the plugins directory
[11:25] <xenonite> thanx
[11:26] <kapputu> what's dselect ?
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> kapputu: something we shall never talk of again
[11:26] <kapputu> Is it a program that choses what apps to install and installs them using dpkg ?
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> except it's utter garbage
[11:26] <georgia> HrdwrBoB: it could be worse
[11:26] <kapputu> yeah I had some problems with it when I was installing debian
[11:26] <topyli> Matt|: things have changed. oh i wish i'd saved the .deb :(
[11:26] <nictuku> aptitute is nice
[11:27] <Klowner> heck, I use apt-get most of the time
[11:27] <topyli> HrdwrBoB: dselect is not garbage, it works every time. but it's _not_ friendly :)
[11:27] <kapputu> yeah one of the things that has really got me hooked
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> georgia: true, but it could be a whoooole lot better
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> topyli: dselect is not particularly useful
[11:27] <georgia> also true
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> runnign apt-cache and apt-get
[11:27] <topyli> HrdwrBoB: how so?
[11:28] <HrdwrBoB> is much easier/quicker
[11:28] <HWolf> How do you start the fglrx-control program?
[11:28] <nictuku> was ubuntu affected by that netfilter log bug in linux 2.6?
[11:28] <HWolf> nictuku: no
[11:28] <kapputu> what was the netfilter log bug ?
[11:28] <HWolf> I don't think so.
[11:28] <Matt|> topyli, there is a deb file on the sourgeforge page
[11:28] <Matt|> topyli, that will be ok?
[11:28] <topyli> HrdwrBoB: upgrade debian from a release to another, and you'll see that dselect is about the only one that can do it cleanly the first time
[11:29] <topyli> Matt|: it's probably what i had :)
[11:29] <nictuku> i've registered in the site. Do I have permission to edit "https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/wiki/link_view" ?
[11:29] <ogra> nictuku: no netfilter, no bug ;)
[11:29] <nictuku> I can't find the option
[11:29] <kapputu> ogra: what's netfilter ?
[11:29] <nictuku> Oh I forgot, there is no netfilter
[11:29] <nictuku> kapputu, iptables
[11:29] <Matt|> topyli, how do i install a /deb file? just apt-get install file?
[11:29] <ogra> kapputu: portblocking software
[11:30] <topyli> Matt|: dpkg -i foo.deb
[11:30] <georgia> Matt|: dpkg -i <file>
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> ogra: haha
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> it's a little more than 'portblocking'
[11:30] <nictuku> MUCH more thatn port blocking
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> in fact it's a lot more :)
[11:30] <Matt|> thanks topyli, georgia
[11:30] <Matt|> i should investigate dpkg
[11:31] <topyli> Matt|: you should investigate wajig :)
[11:31] <ogra> ;) just giving credits to the fact that every crappy portblocker on win calls itself a firwall
[11:31] <ogra> +e
[11:32] <topyli> Matt|: there's (or at least used to be) also a weird icon bug, so you'll get an empty space in your tray. click it, and find the icon from /usr/share/somewhere. the web page talks about this
[11:32] <nictuku> ogra, you asked early if I wanted to fix https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/wiki/link_view .. I wonder if that's possible.
[11:33] <topyli> Matt|: i mean click the empty space and configure the shit
[11:33] <ogra> nictuku: i'm just looking, seems not like, sorry....
[11:33] <Matt|> topyli, yes i remember that
[11:33] <nictuku> ogra, ok :)
[11:33] <Matt|> topyli, what is wajig
[11:34] <Matt|> brb
[11:34] <topyli> Matt|: wajig is a CLI front end to any debian configuration tool you can guess. look it up on freshmeat.net, it's quite famous
[11:35] <altan> wow, I really hated Mac OS 7/8/9 when I had to use them at school, freed of the actual OS the GUI is very nice and usable
[11:35] <kapputu> ok so what was the bug with netfilter ?
[11:35] <altan> as in the window manager theme
[11:35] <kapputu> and how was it removed ?
[11:36] <topyli> altan: you mean xfce?
[11:36] <altan> topyli: yeah, the platinum theme
[11:36] <altan> the platinum theme is a port of the Mac OS 7/8/9 theme
[11:37] <topyli> altan: you are _so_ ready for enlightenment :)
[11:37] <topyli> altan: i mean the window manager of course =)
[11:37] <robertj> OS9's GUI is horrible
[11:37] <altan> I heard a lot about it, but my impression is that it's slightly dated?
[11:38] <altan> robertj, I didn't care for the rest, but the window manager theme I really like
[11:38] <topyli> robertj: it's duct tape to make things work somehow
[11:38] <AlohaWulf> OS9's GUI I found to be very productive
[11:38] <altan> the placement of the maximize/minimize etc buttons and the appearance
[11:38] <robertj> OS X.3 has a great GUI
[11:38] <AlohaWulf> OS9 itself is garbage
[11:38] <robertj> the side panel in finder is awesome
[11:38] <robertj> you can put links there and drag stuff onto the links
[11:38] <topyli> robertj: but unlike altan, i hate the mac osx theme
[11:39] <ogra> topyli: inst enlightenment a) waaay old or b) waporware ?
[11:39] <ogra> isnt
[11:39] <robertj> I don't care about the theme, the side panel is where it is at
[11:39] <altan> I still haven't tried OS X in real life yet, but the brushed silver looks a bit garish
[11:39] <topyli> ogra: both :)
[11:39] <robertj> drag stuff there and, well, it's there
[11:39] <robertj> drag an app there, and click it
[11:39] <altan> topyli, I don't like the OS X theme that much, but I bet you can make a very cool theme with it
[11:39] <kapputu> ogra: what's vaporware ?
[11:39] <robertj> drag a document there and you can drag stuff on it to organize your files
[11:39] <topyli> kapputu: E17
[11:39] <altan> with OS X's GUI system that is
[11:39] <altan> hardware accelerated
[11:39] <kapputu> E17 ??
[11:39] <robertj> about the only thing I miss is dragging folder to folder doesn't do anything
[11:39] <ogra> kapputu: software thats announced but never written
[11:39] <altan> kapputu, projects that will never be released but are takled about a lot
[11:39] <kapputu> ic
[11:40] <kapputu> any other examples ?
[11:40] <altan> like Duke Nukem Forever
[11:40] <robertj> a "Would you like to copy Your Home Directory to Network Storage?" dialog would be good
[11:40] <kapputu> Windows Object FileSystem ?
[11:40] <topyli> kapputu: windows longhorn :)
[11:40] <ogra> yay
[11:40] <kapputu> the one we don't speak of ?
[11:40] <topyli> that's the one
[11:41] <topyli> kapputu: the sad truth is, enlightenment 16 is old (but great!) and E17 has been a painful long time coming
[11:41] <kapputu> ic
[11:41] <kapputu> I think I have used it once, long back
[11:42] <kapputu> I also used afterstep for sometime
[11:42] <topyli> it's cool, i used it for years
[11:42] <topyli> e i mean
[11:42] <Matt|> I'd like to put in a massively powerful request for someone to build a XFree-4.4.0 or xorg package for ubuntu warty :)
[11:42] <Matt|> >_>
[11:42] <Matt|> <_<
[11:42] <nictuku> e17 is older than "duke nukem forever"
[11:42] <kapputu> Matt|:  shall we do it ?
[11:43] <topyli> nictuku: true
[11:43] <kapputu> duke nukem is a game ??
[11:43] <Matt|> kapputu, i am not capable. I believe that it would have to be a dev
[11:43] <georgia> e17 isnt out yet?
[11:43] <kapputu> Matt|: let's try
[11:43] <topyli> Matt|: i think x.org will be in hoary anyway, so we can relax
[11:43] <ogra> Matt|: 10 devs !
[11:43] <kapputu> is x.org being used anywhere else ?
[11:43] <topyli> georgia: e17 is alpha
[11:43] <Matt|> topyli, i can't wait until hoary
[11:43] <georgia> jeez, its been ages since i used nelightenment, and it was "nearly ready" when i last used it
[11:43] <dredg> i dunno... doom3 has been released, debian sarge is nearing release all we need now is e17 and duke nukem forever
[11:43] <Matt|> kapputu, yes, all other distros except debian
[11:44] <dredg> then the apocolaypse can truly begin
[11:44] <Matt|> :)
[11:44] <topyli> Matt|: i'm tracking hoary, but x.org isn't there yet
[11:44] <Matt|> topyli, yeah i noticed that
[11:44] <Matt|> topyli, even XFree-3.4.0 would help me out
[11:44] <topyli> dredg: yes!
[11:44] <topyli> Matt|: xfree 3.4 will not be on much of anything
[11:44] <[Phaedrus] > debian is usually slow in everything
[11:44] <Matt|> topyli, no
[11:45] <Matt|> hmm
[11:45] <topyli> [Phaedrus] : track unstable and quit whining :)
[11:45] <kapputu> ubuntu uses xfree86 ?
[11:45] <[Phaedrus] > i didnt whine... just stating a fact
[11:45] <Matt|> kapputu, duh
[11:45] <topyli> Matt|: "no" what?
[11:45] <[Phaedrus] > yes kapputu
[11:45] <Matt|> topyli, i was agreeing with your statement
[11:45] <Matt|> "no it won't"
[11:46] <mdz> Matt|: xfree86 3.4.0?  Warty has xfree86 4.3.0+
[11:46] <topyli> Matt|: yes, everybody's fleeing the xfree boat
[11:46] <Matt|> mdz, sorry typo
[11:46] <HWolf> Does anyone here know what the command is to start the fglrx-control application?
[11:46] <Matt|> *4.4.0
[11:46] <topyli> mdz: a simple mistake
[11:46] <kapputu> hi mdz
[11:46] <mdz> Matt|: why would that help?
[11:47] <Matt|> maybe it would support 3d acceleration for my graphics
[11:47] <[Phaedrus] > I am not sure what the point in using X.org is. They say the Xcomposite extension is disabled by default cause it makes the system unstable
[11:47] <mdz> xfree86 in Hoary is very close to xfree86 4.4
[11:47] <odyzzeus> im getting kernel panic on my first boot after installation. my grub looks like this:
[11:47] <odyzzeus> title ubuntu
[11:47] <odyzzeus> 	rootnoverify (hd0,10)
[11:47] <odyzzeus> 	kernel /vmlinuz
[11:47] <odyzzeus> 	initrd /initrd.img
[11:47] <[Phaedrus] > i dont see any other significant reason to switch to X.org yet
[11:47] <topyli> Matt|: x.org is developing, xfree is pretty much what it is :(
[11:47] <mdz> [Phaedrus] : exactly
[11:47] <Matt|> topyli, i only know for sure that xorg i supporting my card in their latest release, i don't know about XFree
[11:48] <[Phaedrus] > What card do you have Matt|?
[11:48] <HWolf> [Pheadrus]  The piont is, that composite extention will not stay unstable. :-)
[11:48] <mirak> what is the configuration file for my hardware called....and where is it located???...i have to comment out a line to get my ati working....err....good
[11:48] <Matt|> [Phaedrus] , i have the beautiful, the sexy IGP 340M
[11:48] <[Phaedrus] > well, the point is, i wouldnt be using XFree for ever either
[11:48] <topyli> Matt|: the difference is not big at this point. but the more dynamic development model will take x.org further faster. or that's the popular belief
[11:48] <spacey`ki> xfree is somewhat of a deadend
[11:48] <[Phaedrus] > when it gets stable, i'll have all the reasons to switch:)
[11:48] <nomasteryoda> ah, the ubuntu drums
[11:48] <[Phaedrus] > it is...
[11:48] <HWolf> Also I believe x.org is working on a modular approach, aren't they? In which it'd be much easier to update parts of X without breaking the entire system.
[11:49] <nictuku> How can I help translating the installer? Is it an "upstream" work? I supposed the d-i translation to brazilian portuguese was finished, but in warty there are some parts untranslated. I unsucessfuly tried to find that in the wiki and in the translators team.
[11:49] <nictuku> translators list, I mean
[11:49] <Matt|> does anyone know how soon xorg will appear in HOARY?
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> Matt|: it will take some time
[11:49] <ns> i need name of the font used in "ubuntu" logo..anyone?
[11:49] <topyli> nictuku: you might as well help with the debian-installer
[11:49] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, ball park figure?
[11:49] <[Phaedrus] > HWolf: make no mistake. I like the way the X.org guys are heading. It's just not the time yet to make a switch.. not until they sort it all out. I hear constant complaints of the system dragging in X.org
[11:50] <HWolf> Matt| Count on it being as soon as possible, It'll need a lot of polishing.
[11:50] <Matt|> hmm
[11:50] <Matt|> sounds like I'm gonna have to stick to tetris
[11:50] <Matt|> no 3d for me
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> no 3d?
[11:50] <spacey`ki> haha:)
[11:50] <Matt|> at least supertux works :)
[11:50] <ogra> yay
[11:50] <altan> does anyone use zinf?
[11:50] <mirak> what is the configuration file for my hardware called....and where is it located???...i have to comment out a line to get my ati working....err....good
[11:50] <topyli> HWolf: well, x.org is new
[11:50] <HWolf> [Pheadrus]  I believe I just switched to the fglrx ATI drivers, and they appear to be slower then the dri ones, so indeed, this XFree is good stuff.
[11:50] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, nope :(
[11:50] <spacey`ki> do nvidia drivers work on X.org anyway btw?
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> Matt|: what hardware?
[11:51] <[Phaedrus] > that's what i hear HWolf
[11:51] <topyli> HWolf: i wouldn't bet my business on it (if i had one)
[11:51] <nictuku> topyli, but should I work with the upstream debian-installer or what? There is at least a dialog that is ubuntu-specific.
[11:51] <mdz> Matt|: you tried Warty and it didn't support your card?
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> IGP 340M
[11:51] <[Phaedrus] > they should spacey`ki
[11:51] <Matt|> mirak, if you are looking for your graphics card, it is in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> what on earth is that
[11:51] <HWolf> topyli, my piont exactly. It'd be good to get it in as fast as possible, so you can test it for as long as possible.
[11:51] <Matt|> mdz, HrdwrBoB, that's right
[11:51] <mirak> matt|, thnx :)_
[11:51] <HWolf> How exactly do I check which mode my system is using?
[11:51] <mdz> Matt|: that's an ATI card.  try fglrx
[11:51] <Matt|> mdz, i have
[11:51] <topyli> nictuku: hmmm... ubuntu work goes to debian also of course. i don't know who you should contact at the ubuntu team to talk about this
[11:52] <kapputu> topyli: how about mdz ?
[11:52] <[Phaedrus] > apparently SGi has a driver called snap graphics which runs on top of X, if I read it correct
[11:52] <Matt|> :(
[11:52] <nictuku> topyli, i believe it should talk to daf
[11:53] <HWolf> phaedrus, don't you think XFree is a troublesome beast, so going to something new, which can at worst be XFree, and at best be better, would be a good thing?
[11:53] <topyli> nictuku: well, mdz is around, daf is not :)
[11:53] <mdz> Matt|: X.org is likely to be a couple of weeks more; you can get by with tetris until then I think :-)
[11:53] <Matt|> mdz, yup.
[11:53] <Matt|> mdz, it will do me good
[11:54] <Matt|> mdz, what are the chances of upgrading to hoary breaking my system?
[11:54] <kapputu> Matt|: you using Hoarty ?
[11:54] <Matt|> kapputu, nope
[11:54] <topyli> ah, wisdom on the gnome mailing lists: NEVER ASSUME YOU ARE THE BEST.
[11:54] <HWolf> Is there any plan to get a graphical boot-up process in hoary? I don't want to see those errors. :-)
[11:54] <kapputu> I just wanted to ask that question
[11:54] <mdz> Matt|: it's in fairly good shape at the moment
[11:54] <Matt|> HWolf, i like the current install
[11:55] <mirak> matt|, paste that path to me 1 more time plz?
[11:55] <mdz> Matt|: X.org will be some of the first major breakage
[11:55] <[Phaedrus] > HWolf: www.bootsplash.org
[11:55] <Matt|> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[11:55] <mirak> matt| thnx
[11:55] <Matt|> mdz, uhoh
[11:55] <Matt|> mdz, perhaps I'll have to stick to tetris for a while longer
[11:55] <HWolf> [Phaedrus] : Thanks.
[11:55] <[Phaedrus] > uw
[11:56] <Matt|> mdz, i'm not a very experienced linux user
[11:56] <Matt|> :)
[11:56] <ogra> Matt|: hey, you got us :)
[11:56] <xenonite> cu
[11:56] <kapputu> Matt|: Trust Ogra to bail you out
[11:56] <kapputu> bye xenonite
[11:56] <dredg> i build xorg from scratch and installed it here. it worked pretty seamlessly
[11:56] <Matt|> you will help me out with hoary issues?
[11:56] <Matt|> awwwwwwww
[11:57] <Matt|> dredg, now that is talking
[11:57] <xenonite> :)
[11:57] <Matt|> dredg, tell me all
[11:57] <dredg> im not using it now, i switched back to the packages cos rdesktop was acting a bit weird :)
[11:57] <[Phaedrus] > really dredg
[11:57] <[Phaedrus] > with all the extensions enabled?
[11:57] <ogra> Matt|: if i got it myself to verify, yes.... but i'll wait till y.org is likely working
[11:57] <mirak> linuxjones, you around??
[11:57] <ogra> x
[11:57] <Matt|> ogra, yeah guess so
[11:57] <dredg> yeah, including xcomposite
[11:58] <[Phaedrus] > acting a bit weird?
[11:58] <topyli> ogra: heh
[11:58] <HWolf> I do not envy the guys that have to make sure XFree -> X.org goes smoothly. :-S
[11:58] <[Phaedrus] > you have to explain on that
[11:58] <dredg> translucency and shadows look pretty. pure eyecandy :) complete waste of resources but meh
[11:58] <Matt|> dredg, i tried to just compile the dri modules but it failed :(
[11:58] <ogra> topyli: you laugh about the y ?
[11:58] <topyli> ogra: lets for x.org and make y
[11:58] <ogra> *g*
[11:58] <dredg> [Phaedrus] : screen wouldnt redraw right
[11:58] <topyli> s/for/fork
[11:58] <[Phaedrus] > if we can be patient for just a coupel of weeks, X.org should be much safer
[11:58] <mirak> matt|, thnx ever so much.......fixed my problem....
[11:58] <ogra> topyli: better berlin ;)
[11:58] <Matt|> Mirak pleasure
[11:58] <HWolf> [Pheadrus] : That site is exactly what I mean, but I'm not really looking forward to recompiling a kernel, so I'd love that in the default kernel. :-)
[11:59] <[Phaedrus] > rather than spending half my lifetime compiling that beast and compiling it again, it is just easier to wait
[11:59] <topyli> ogra: YES! we have a decision!
[11:59] <[Phaedrus] > HWolf: just do it before you go to sleep..
[11:59] <dredg> this was a pure experiment btw
[11:59] <[Phaedrus] > what machine do you have?
[11:59] <spacey`ki> topyli, i think there is a project called y already which is a "replacement" for X.
[11:59] <Matt|> yeah i heard that too
[11:59] <nine99> hi, where i can find a list of all the packages available with ubuntu ?
[11:59] <topyli> spacey`ki: i know berlin, but haven't heard about y
[11:59] <spacey`ki> however you probably want to stick with x;0
[11:59] <dredg> whats so good about Y?
[11:59] <mirak> nine99, synaptic??