Clintlamont: I would have thought that with bash you'd be used to all kinds of problems. :)12:04
lamontClint: feh12:05
Clintbut seriously, zsh doesn't have that problem12:06
lamontno, it has it's own set.12:06
lamonton a different note...12:07
lamontwifely one wants an address label management program...  what's a good one, preferably from main?12:07
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jdublamont: glabels12:14
jdubnot in main12:14
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lamontjdub: thanks12:18
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lamontjdub...  I want to give it an address book and print address labels from same...12:25
jdubi think glabels does that12:26
lamontvery well may12:31
lup|strebean app in C or python using pygtk12:31
lup|strebedoes that make a big difference in the resources it will use12:32
lup|strebeand the speed12:32
lamontjdub: I can't seem to find a place to import an address book into glabels...12:34
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lamontjdub: thanks - figured it out... now to educate the wife...12:48
lamontcan I get evo to export an addressbook in csv?12:48
jdublamont: hrrmmm, dunno12:50
srbakerjdub, that's sickening.  but somehow cool12:50
hornbeckjdub, mdz: was a process ever decided about how to become a ubuntu maintainer?12:54
lamontjdub: sick but, um, interesting.12:54
jdubhornbeck: not yet, no12:54
hornbeckjdub: ok, thanks01:00
jdub'coming soon'01:00
hornbeckgood deal, I am interested01:00
lup|strebejdub wouldn't it be a good idea to rewrite some of the default gnome apps in a higher programming language01:01
lup|strebefor example gftp in python01:01
mjg59Generally, rewriting software is a bad thing01:01
lup|strebenot rewriting I mean replacing it01:01
lup|strebewith a program that has the same functions01:01
jdubthat means rewriting :)01:01
mjg59Would the application be any better as a result?01:01
jdubonly subtly different01:01
jdubyeah, that's rewriting01:01
jdubonly subtly different :)01:01
lup|strebeI think the code will be easier 01:01
jdublup|strebe: users won't care ;)01:01
mjg59So you end up writing something that behaves slightly differently, and so cause people to have to learn how to use it again01:01
mjg59In the process, you probably end up with about as many bugs as have already been fixed in the application you're reimplementing01:04
mjg59Sometimes, this is worth it - Sawfish needed a replacement writing because nobody could maintain it01:04
mjg59But there's no real shortage of people who understand C well enough to work on bugs in things like gftp01:04
lup|strebegftp misses a lot of features I would expect from a ftp client01:04
mjg59That's an argument for improving gftp01:04
lup|strebeplus when you can use the default python modules for ftp, ssh, kerberos and proxy01:04
mjg59But, uh...01:04
lup|strebeyou have a lot of less code to maintain so it becomes easier to add new stuff and improve stuff01:04
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lifelessanyone here that knows dpkg pre-version number rules off-hand ?01:18
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mdzlifeless: the version number comparison rules are documented in the policy manual02:40
jdubIntel 810 + AC97 Audio, version 1.01, 14:29:58 Oct 12 200402:44
jdubACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:06.0[A]  -> GSI 20 (level, high) -> IRQ 19302:44
jdubPCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:06.0 to 6402:44
jdubi810: NVIDIA nForce Audio found at IO 0xd800 and 0xd400, MEM 0x0000 and 0x0000, IRQ 19302:44
jdubdoes that ACPI line seem bong?02:44
jdub193:        116   IO-APIC-level  ehci_hcd, NVIDIA nForce Audio02:44
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jdubgiven that the alsa ones stopped working02:44
justdavemdz: assignment to amu on 3101 was a typo in the javascript dealing with the livecd stuff.  just fixed it02:50
justdavehad an = where it should have had an ==02:50
mdzjustdave: oh, thanks. I assumed the submitter had inadvertently typed something in the field02:50
jdubjustdave: can we get the component popup to go away when pressing enter?02:52
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jdubit is hard to enter 'linux' for example, given the number of linux... packages02:53
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jdubmdz: the discover initscript stays with that upgrade] 02:57
mdzjdub: the init script stays, but the links go away02:57
mdzjdub: it's a conffile and could have been customized; we can't throw it away02:57
jdubshouldn't matter on warty->hoary upgradew02:58
mdzthe script was there in warty too02:58
jdubjust no links?02:58
jdubmakes sense02:58
mdzright, same story02:58
mdzit's no longer part of the package in hoary02:58
mdzmaybe we can even get rid of the package for hoary02:59
mdzfabbione: what do you say? :-)03:00
justdavejdub: yeah, I can try03:10
jdubjustdave: oh, status of advanced mail headers (like gnome's)?03:16
lifelessmdz: yes they are, but I know that ~ is supported by dpkg, and policy didn't mention it last I looked.03:21
justdavejdub: I thought you were talking about getting the product and component listed in the email (it does that now)03:23
justdaveunless that's what you meant.  did you want extra headers, too?03:23
jdubjustdave: gnome's bugzilla provides heaps more03:23
jdubX-Bugzilla-Product: metacity03:23
jdubX-Bugzilla-Component: general03:23
jdubX-Bugzilla-Status: NEW03:23
jdubX-Bugzilla-Priority: Normal03:23
jdubX-Bugzilla-Severity: enhancement03:23
jdubX-Bugzilla-Target-Milestone: future03:23
jdubX-Bugzilla-Reason: CC03:23
jdubX-Bugzilla-Version: unspecified03:23
justdaveok, product, component, and reason can go in now, with just config changes.03:24
justdavethe rest will take code (but not much)03:24
justdaveproduct/component are in.03:28
justdaveI'll get the others on the next update I push03:28
jdubrocking, thanks03:28
jdubwhat do you think about universe as a separate component?03:28
lifelessmdz: and I just checked again. policy doesn't mention ~. lintian complains about ~, but dpkg knows about ~.03:36
jdubcareful typing ~. there ;)03:37
jdubwe should develop some spec that makes it very hard not to explain things starting with ~.03:38
lifeless~. could be a problem, yes :)03:38
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jdubif tom didn't like openssh he would've done that by now ;)03:39
lifelesshey pasc.03:41
paschey lifeless 03:41
lifelesshows moi paperwork ?03:42
pascwell I've just figured out something03:42
lifelesstried baz yet ?03:42
justdaveuniverse as a product might be confusing...  since hoary could conceivably have stuff in main that's in universe in warty, etc.03:42
pasclifeless: I haven't looked at what it doesn't differently to tla, so no... haven't tried it03:44
paschowever, in "http://lists.debian.org/debian-newmaint/2004/02/msg00010.html", tbm says elmo prints out reports to process them. I reckon that's the problem now. If you guys forced elmo to commute, he'd have time to read those reports again. ;-)03:44
jdubjustdave: oh03:45
jdubjustdave: good point03:45
lifelesspasc: its not a problem for me... until he's got the report!!!!03:45
jdubpasc: haha03:45
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lamontcries, even03:50
mdzlifeless: that's exactly the state of ~ at the moment :-)04:01
lifelessmdz: ah. does aptitude handle it ?04:01
mdzlifeless: it's been implemented in the tools, but is not recognized by policy, and thus hasn't really been used or tested at all in the real world04:01
mdzlifeless: aptitude uses libapt, so yes04:01
lifelesscool. ok, I'm gonna use it :).04:01
lifelessfor the auto-builds of baz04:01
mdzwhat if someone wants to package them for Debian? ;-)04:02
lifelessthen they will have a different number anyway.04:02
lifeless(in point of fact, asuffield is already packaging baz)04:02
jdublifeless: INTERESTING04:04
lifelessdunno if hes going to ITP and put it in the archive, but hes updating his build stuff, and was muttering about daily builds04:05
lifeless/home/robertc/irclogs/irssi-2004-10-29:16:10 #arch: < asuffield> dpkg-deb: building package `bazaar' in `../bazaar_1.1-1~20041029-1.canonical_i386.deb'.04:05
mdzlifeless: did you ask him why he hasn't updated tla in Debian?04:10
lifelessmdz: whats the current version in debian ? 1.2 or 1.2.1 ?04:11
mdzlifeless: 1.204:11
mdzyou filed an Ubuntu bug saying it was too old04:11
lifelessthats because 1.2.1 sucks in a couple of key ways, because tom /didn't release what jblack prepared/04:11
lifeless1.2.2 would have fixed that, but some process difficulties cropped up leading to it not every going gold, and tom is now working on 1.3, planning a beta in a week or so.04:12
lifelessbaz, right now, is >> tla 1.2.2 and >>>> tla 1.304:12
lifelessbug #3103 - another missassigned to bazaar04:18
lifelessbecause I *care* about dell laptops04:19
fabbionemorning guys04:33
jdubyo fabbione 04:33
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lamont(specifically that gnome build-depends on both :(04:35
fabbionejo jdub04:35
fabbionejdub: we might have a showstopper for X.org04:35
fabbionei already involved upstream04:36
fabbioneit's an API/ABI change in a library that has not been handled properly04:36
fabbionequite a bunch of packages depends / build-dep on it04:36
fabbioneno xrender04:36
fabbionexaw has a new version with new soname04:37
fabbioneso now we will ship xaw6 7 and 804:37
fabbionebut Xrender is a bit of an issue04:37
jdubdid it change in 6.8 or 6.8.1?04:38
fabbionejdub: 6.8.1 afaict04:38
jdubwith lots of internal dependencies on the change?04:39
fabbionejdub: no it's a new implemented function04:39
fabbionebut they didn't rename the lib04:39
fabbionenor bumped the soname04:39
jdubcan we ignore that change?04:40
fabbioneX.org is a FTBFS without it04:40
jdubyeah, so there is an internal dependency :)04:40
fabbionejdub: X.org as monolithic tree has no problems.04:40
fabbionethe issue is the releation to this library04:41
fabbionei hope that Keith P. will answer my bug asap04:41
jdubok, why is there an FTBFS without it?04:41
fabbionejdub: it's complicate dependency to explain04:41
fabbionebasically xrender is shipped outside the monolithic tree04:42
fabbionebecause Keith always released it outside04:42
fabbionethe last release he did was 0.8.404:42
fabbioneand in the monolithic tree04:42
fabbionethere is a differen 0.8.404:42
jdubbong bong bong04:44
fabbionejdub: so the problem for us is to do a xrender transition in a sane way04:44
jduband xorg doesn't like keith's xrender, right?04:45
fabbionexrender is maintained by keithp, both inside and outside x.org04:47
jdubi know04:47
fabbionex.org doesn't like the external one04:47
fabbioneif keithp doesn't come back to me soon i will have to handle it together with OVerfiend/Debian04:48
fabbionewe can't break binary compatibility for these applications that use Xrender04:48
jdubhave you checked how red hat's dealt with it in FC3?04:49
fabbionejdub: no04:49
fabbionebecause iirc they don't ship several packages04:49
lamontnight all04:50
fabbionethey have one big xorg rpm and that's it04:50
fabbionenight lamont04:50
jdubfabbione: they still have the same problem04:50
fabbionenot necessarely04:50
fabbioneshipping the internal version and recompile *04:50
fabbioneis like fixing it04:50
fabbionebut not in the right way04:51
jdubyeah, but acceptable in non-enterprise-don't-rely-on-this fedora04:51
jdubgrr ;)04:51
fabbionetoday daniels should arrive too04:56
fabbionei can press him to fix it upstream :-)04:56
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fabbionehe will be my direct upstream bitch^Wlink ;)04:57
fabbioneanyway other than this the situation looks good04:57
jdubyou have unnatural control04:57
fabbionei know04:58
fabbionein a range between 0 and 10 you can consider me as an 1104:58
fabbioneUHA UHA UHA04:58
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fabbionedoes anybody remember where the .shlibs file format is described in details?06:19
mdzfabbione: isn't it in the policy manual?06:32
fabbioneoh yeah06:33
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=== jdub uploads to warty-updates instead... 8)
hypa7iawhoa someone awake07:09
jdubthere's almost always someone awake here07:10
hypa7iaso i want to get involved in ubuntu, specifically with laptop support07:10
hypa7iawhat would be a good first step (beyond ridding my machine of the foul pestilence that is fedora, of course)07:10
jdubidentifying improvments that would help battery life07:12
jdubturns out there's a bunch of patches to the kernel that help07:12
jdubwhich paul drain (ultrafunk) has been looking at07:12
hypa7iakay, good to know07:12
jduband there's something on the system causing regular disk accesses07:13
jdubwhich is not good for battery life07:13
jdub(and it's not just ext3)07:13
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jdubmaybe look at the hoary feature goals wiki page to see what you can help with07:13
jdubcan't think of anything else off-hand07:14
hypa7iareading the wiki page on warty laptop support ATM07:14
hypa7iawould you recommend upping to hoary right away, or playing with warty for a bit first?07:14
jdubdepends on how familiar with debian you are07:15
hypa7iai've been running sarge one one machine for 2 months.  was a mac os x user for 2 years before that07:16
hypa7iaso i'm a bit of a n00b07:16
hypa7iabut a very committed one :-)07:16
jdubhoary is going to be fairly rocky for a while07:16
jdubbut it's pretty sane atm07:16
hypa7iai think i'll wait a month then07:17
hypa7iajust in case.  being a noob and all.07:17
hypa7iai have all sorts of fun unsupported or marginal hardware too :-)07:18
hypa7iaand new stuff07:18
hypa7iait's all very exciting :-)07:18
jdubelmo: ping07:24
jdubelmo: whenever you get up, please take a peek at warty-updates -> would like to avoid fifty seven million questions about where the november package is. i'll do this when you're around next time. :-)07:25
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mvo_hi doko 07:58
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netfighterQuick question, do u guys know if the logo is licensed under the GFDL or GPL?08:15
jdubnetfighter: it's not08:16
jdubnetfighter: usage guidelines will be released soon08:17
netfighteroh thanks08:17
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pascjdub: and when are the t-shirts coming out?08:18
jdubdunno, not sure why the competition hasn't been announced yet08:19
dokolamont: around?08:25
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pittiMorning, guys!08:37
pittimvo_: Welcome to the team!!!08:38
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mvo_thanks pitti :-))08:40
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mvo_can we mark bugs as "hoary only" in bugzilla?09:08
pittimvo_: not really09:11
pittimvo_: but as long as they are not critical, they are not fixed for Warty anyway09:12
mvo_pitti: thanks09:12
lifelesswho would liek this bug ?09:40
danielslifeless: RESOLVED/INVALID09:42
danielsif your video card is that stupidly bong, not my fault09:42
lifelessdaniels: its on the wrong product dude.09:42
lifelessits not a bazaar bug.09:42
danielsi'll take it09:43
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jdubmvo_: target HoaryHedgehog09:56
jdubmvo_: if that's appropriate09:56
mvo_jdub: thanks09:56
jdubmvo_: but there's no distro version setting09:56
mvo_hi thom 09:56
danielsthom: morning sunshine09:57
thomdaniels: if i throw rocks at heathrow, might I hit you? :-)09:57
Micksaon what grounds was zwiki chosen as the site's wiki software?09:57
danielsthom: if you aimed for t4, yah09:58
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sparkeshornbeck, are you around or is it past bedtime over there?09:58
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jdub#3117 -> eeek!09:59
sparkeshornbeck, when you wake up drop me a line and I will sort out a new home for your blog09:59
mvo_can someone sponsor a new synaptic upload? packages are at: http://people.debian.org/~mvo/synaptic/warty/0.55/10:07
thomjdub: that's a fantastic bug10:09
Mithrandirtuo2: the end station of one of the tram (or tube) lines in London.10:11
tuo2really? And there I was thinking it was just another name for that godawful beer.10:12
Mithrandirwhat beer?10:13
thomtuo2: well, Fosters is Cock, definitely10:14
thombut not the same thing :-)10:14
pittimvo_: just back from breakfast; your key is not in the upload keyring yet?10:19
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mvo_pitti: I don't think so, got no mail from elmo about it yet 10:19
pittimvo_: okay, I'll upload it 10:20
pittimvo_: your email address in the changelog is invalid10:22
mvo_pitti: mvo@debian.org, sorry10:22
pittimvo_: did you already upload this into Debian?10:23
mvo_pitti: not yet, I will soon10:23
pittimvo_: it has no Ubuntu specific version number, so it should rather be synced from Debian10:23
mvo_what's the policy about the version in this case?10:23
pittimvo_: okay, please ask elmo to sync it when it is in sid10:23
mvo_pitti: ok10:24
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Keybukubuntu-calendar (4.11) warty-updates; urgency=low10:25
Keybukhmm...  so the only people who'll get a calendar update is those that have psychically guessed they need to add a new line to their sources.list? :o)10:25
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Keybukindeed, no.10:49
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Micksasho "official" develops zwiki? sm?11:06
Micksagah, my typing sucks today11:06
jdubjamesh: gnome-font-viewer seems to work from the command line, but not from fonts:///11:33
jdubjamesh: $ gnome-font-viewer "fonts:///Andale Mono"11:34
jdub^ works11:34
jdub$ gnome-font-viewer "fonts:///Andale%20Mono"11:34
jdub$ gnome-font-viewer file:///home/jdub/.fonts/Andale_Mono.ttf11:34
jdubCouldn't display "fonts:///Andale%20Mono".11:34
jdubThere was an error launching the application.11:34
jdubno applications selected in the properties dialogue11:35
jdublooks like we've missed a mime type11:35
jameshI wonder if it was updated for the new mime stuff?11:36
Keybuknothing in its .desktop11:36
jdubwhere's the .desktop?11:37
jdubwhich package?11:37
jduboh, capplets-data11:37
jdubthere is no .desktop file11:38
dokopitti: should gnupg be built with capabilities enabled in Ubuntu?11:41
pittidoko: no need for that any more11:42
pittidoko: gnupg does not need to be suid root any more11:42
pittidoko: kernel 2.6.8+ supports limited mlock() calls as user, which is sufficient for gnupg11:42
dokoso your patches 15_free_caps and 16_min_priviliges aren't needed anymoer?11:43
pittidoko: not really.11:43
pittidoko: but I think the package cannot be synced from sid11:43
pittidoko: since sid still installs it as suid root11:43
pittidoko: (I assume you are at syncing gnupg ATM)11:44
dokoyes, but that's the only patch I identified.11:44
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Kamiondaniels: progress ping on syslinux merge? I need it before I can upload the merged debian-installer12:07
thomKamion: he's on a plane to .dk now i think12:08
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Kamionmaybe I should grab it ...12:08
Kamionah well, still have a huge doc merge to do12:08
Keybuksyndicate scott# /usr/bin/time /etc/init.d/hotplug start >/dev/null12:09
Keybuk12.47user 0.75system 0:14.34elapsed 92PU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k12:09
Keybuk0inputs+0outputs (0major+137328minor)pagefaults 0swaps12:09
Keybuksyndicate scott# dpkg -i grepmap_0.1.0-1_i386.deb12:09
KeybukSelecting previously deselected package grepmap.12:09
Keybuk(Reading database ... 140871 files and directories currently installed.)12:09
KeybukUnpacking grepmap (from grepmap_0.1.0-1_i386.deb) ...12:10
KeybukSetting up grepmap (0.1.0-1) ...12:10
Keybuksyndicate scott# /usr/bin/time /etc/init.d/hotplug start >/dev/null12:10
Keybuk1.84user 0.56system 0:03.46elapsed 69PU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k12:10
Keybuk0inputs+0outputs (0major+143197minor)pagefaults 0swaps12:10
dokomithrandir: I have some updates for the ia32-libs/ia32-oppenoffice.org packages. should I do upload before you start updating the packages?12:10
Keybuk14.34s to 3.46s12:10
sabdflKeybuk: yowser, what's the trick?12:12
Keybuksabdfl: "grepmap" :)12:12
sabdflwhich is?12:12
Keybukwrote it over the weekend, C tool to parse the module map files12:12
sabdflcool, hoary?12:12
Keybukrather faster than doing it in shell12:12
Mithrandirdoko: what kind of updates?12:13
Keybukit's sitting in NEW at the moment, just testing some corner cases and I'll upload the patched hotplug that uses it12:13
dokomithrandir: see #199612:14
dokoany reason that glibc isn't synced from unstable and no merge report is open?12:15
Keybukdoko: Colin just synced that one12:15
Keybukuh, Martin12:16
Mithrandirdoko: oh, that one.. the lib32* libs are in universe, right?12:17
dokoMithrandir: yes. do you really need lib32stdc++5 ?12:18
Mithrandirdoko: isn't it used by openoffice?12:19
dokothen it should be included in ia32-libs/office-libs. I'll drop the biarch support from gcc-3.3.12:21
Mithrandirbut it'll still be in gcc-3.4?12:22
dokosure, yes12:23
Mithrandirdoes openoffice build with gcc-3.4?12:24
dokokamion: grub needs to be compiled using gcc-3.4 on amd64. could you do this change with your resync upload?12:24
dokoMithrandir: apparently not: see #27918512:25
Mithrandirdoko: ok, any ETA on a fix?12:26
Mithrandirdoko: hmm, no, forget what I said12:26
Mithrandirdoko: so, if ia32-libs-openoffice.org builds the libstdc++5, it should be fine?12:26
Mithrandirwhat does it pull from gcc-3.4 today?12:27
dokolibgcc_s.so.1, which we will have be built from the gcc-3.4 sources12:27
Mithrandirwhy isnt't that part of the regular ia32-libs?12:28
Mithrandiror rather -- how are you proposing to solve this?12:29
dokonot needed until now. yes, ia32-libs seems to be appropriate12:32
danielsKamion: just sitting in the copenhagen baggage reclaim -- bear in mind I've been on a plane since god knows when :)12:33
danielsKamion: i'll get to it today after I've checked in today as a priority12:33
danielsKamion: sorry, it's just been a very long time since I've had real (read: non-nstx) access12:34
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jdubKeybuk: ooh. hope elmo gets up and flushes NEW soon. :-)12:51
Keybukheh. now to make the bloody alsa modules load faster :p12:53
jdub"would it help if i got out and pushed?"12:54
KeybukI suspect it's just waiting for /sys to turn up so it can udev up12:55
thomjdub: oh, so you get to be the princess today?12:55
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pascdoes that mean we'll get the new desktop background?12:55
jdubpasc: yeah12:55
jdubpasc: and Keybuk's grepmap12:55
Mithrandirmore pr0n?12:55
jdubKeybuk: why the new package, btw? (kind of generic name...)12:55
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pascwhat does grepmap do?12:56
jdubMithrandir: pr0nnier pr0n, this time12:56
elmoyeah, the name sucks12:56
Keybukjdub: well, it's arch-any and hotplug is arch-all12:56
Keybukand it's a little more generic, so really deserved a separate source package12:56
Keybukand then hotplug only needs to Recommend it, etc.12:56
Mithrandirpasc: I think it greps a map, not maps a grep12:56
jdubKeybuk: s/all/any/ in hotplug's control doesn't sound insane... :)12:56
Keybukjdub: minimum impact, dude12:57
jdubwon't upstream+debian want it?12:57
Keybukmost likely12:58
Kamiondoko: sure12:59
Kamiondoko: just build-dep and CC?12:59
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Kamiondaniels: no problem, didn't realise you were travelling, feel free to punt it to me if things are too hectic12:59
Keybukjdub: turning hotplug into arch-any would mean changing the .orig to include the new source, possibly in a subdirectory, changing the rules to compile, link and install C, etc.01:02
Keybukkinda icky01:02
Keybukthe only change is just an extra patch in debian/patches to use grepmap if it's installed01:02
dokokamion: yes, sent you a debdiff01:07
Kamiondoko: ta01:07
dokoelmo: please sync python-defaults subversion foomatic-db from unstable, mailman 2.1.5-3 from incoming01:09
thomelmo: please sync cpufreqd from unstable01:12
elmodoko, thom: done for the unstable ones01:16
elmodoko: you might need to remind me about mailman once it reaches a mirror01:16
thomelmo: thanks01:18
elmojdub/keybuk: what's the verdict - shall i add grepmap as is ?01:18
jdubseems like a very generic name to me01:19
jdubbut it might not survive very long in hoary if it is accepted upstream01:19
Keybukit greps map files ... I couldn't think of a better one :o)01:19
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elmogrepmodmap ? :P01:20
KeybukI googled and there weren't any clashes01:20
dokoelmo: thanks, will do.01:20
seb128jdub: GRRRRRRR01:20
jdubseb128: :-)01:20
seb128jdub: dude, I'll never get the right to commit without maintainer approval to the control-center if everybody hijack my patches :p01:20
jdubi will make sure jrb/jody know01:21
seb128thanks :)01:21
seb128BTW you've broken the string freeze01:21
jdubcock cock cock01:21
seb128the .desktop has some new translations01:21
jdubi shouldn't have ptu them in POTFILES.in01:21
seb128not for gnome-2-801:22
jduboh man01:22
Kamionelmo: what's the current way to get new packages into hoary? I need file-preseed and network-preseed at least01:30
elmoKamion: synced 01:38
elmoI still haven't done the "sync new stuff, remove old stuff" for universe yet, meh01:38
elmoso for now, if there's something new you need, just pester me01:38
thomhmm, trying to build firefox and work on openoffice at the same time is way beyond painful01:38
elmothom: try building openoffice on your sparc box...01:39
thomelmo: no thanks, the disks would cause earthquakes01:39
sivangthom : how old is it?01:41
Kamionelmo: 'k, thanks01:42
thomelmo: besides, i'm not sure i have enough space to build OO on the thing anyway ;/01:42
MithrandirNFS mount from a server on the moon?01:43
jdubbandwidth to ISS is *rad*01:43
sivangjdub : what's ISS ?01:43
Mithrandirsivang: international space station01:43
Mithrandirthe secret headquarter where we're all bobbing around in our space suits.01:44
Mithrandiroops, did I say that?01:44
elmothom: openoffice.org:      1580568k (1635344k lastest)01:44
thom /dev/sdb1             4.0G  2.2G  1.6G  58% /home01:45
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thomso, uh, that might be a little tight :/01:45
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dokoelmo: please add/sync mpfr from unstable. the recent gmp in hoary depends on it.02:03
elmoI've just started syncing the 628 (!) new source packages02:03
jdubsomeone just posted to warty changes02:03
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jdubhey aes 02:05
aeshow goes?02:05
jdubrockin', yourself?02:05
aesvery busy, but good :)02:05
lamontdoko: am now02:06
dokolamont: which kernel do you have on the ia64 box with the failing gnat tests?02:08
lamontanother build will run sometime today on 2.4.25-hpe-9-mckinley-smp, will advise02:13
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dokohmm, merulo has 2.4.27 and I see the same behaviour. wondering which kernel the buildd runs.02:15
lamontcaballero 2.4.25-dsa-mckinley-smp02:16
robtaylorlamont: hey, i'm just looking at the differneces between your ubuntu scripts-base and mainline..02:18
robtaylorlamont: i've integrated the simple stuff into my tree, but theres a whole load of work in grub-nonemu-2.6 which i dont quite understand - whats all that doing?02:19
lamontall the grub changes were changing splash screens02:20
robtaylorah, and the removal of scripts-base/etc?02:21
robtaylorbla 02:21
lamontstuff removed/changed in the init.d scritps was because it broke things. :-)02:21
lamontand ISTR adding something02:21
lamontI seem to recall\02:22
robtaylori seem to recall, ok ;)02:22
robtaylori think you moved modutils from etc to root, it seems02:22
robtaylorand added autologin?02:22
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robtaylordiffing morphix-base-scripts_0.5-19ubuntu1 and mainline02:24
lamont0.5-19, or something else?02:25
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lamontok. that'd be my changes, then/02:26
robtaylor(well, 0.5-20, but ignoring what i know are the differences between -20 and -19 ;))02:26
robtayloryep, i as as tehre seems to be a *lot* of work, and i'm trying to make sense of it all.. and you have very few changelog entries....02:27
lamont  * chmod 644 /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive02:27
lamont  * correct typo with homedir setup02:27
T-Bonelamont: quick question: do i want to feed quinn-diff with -p and a packages list or with -s and a sources list?02:27
lamontthat's all I believe that I did.02:27
lamontT-Bone: -p Packages -s Sources02:27
lamontand then it does a diff.02:27
robtaylorlamont: yep, that explains 2 lines of the 24000 line diff..02:27
T-Bonelamont: i should pass it both? Cause you were only passing one file in the first place02:27
lamontrobtaylor: that's not to say there weren't other changes introduced because of whatever...02:28
lamontT-Bone: the default is to grab both of them from ./02:28
T-Bonelamont: ok i'll use both. I'm getting very close to the end of stage2, fwiw. I have the same problems than first time: gcc and perl wont build, as well as a couple other packages02:29
lamontrobtaylor: want me to send you my diff?02:29
lamontdiff -ur t/morphix-base-scripts-0.5/ morphix-base-scripts-0.5/| wc02:30
lamont     56     258    280702:30
lamont-       rm -r $(CURDIR)/debian/morphix-base-conf/etc/pcmcia02:30
lamont+       rm -rf $(CURDIR)/debian/morphix-base-conf/etc/pcmcia02:30
lamont-       chroot /mnt/main locale-gen &02:30
lamont+       chroot /mnt/main sh -c "locale-gen && chmod 644 /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive" &02:30
lamont-    rmdir -f /mnt/main/home/$USERNAME02:30
lamont+    rm -rf /mnt/main/home/$USERNAME02:30
dokosomebody has a hoary powerpc chroot available for testing?02:30
lamontthat's vs the version from www.morphix.org/debian02:30
robtaylorand that all you have?02:31
robtaylorvery odd.02:31
lamontrobtaylor: I thought it was a pretty comprehensive changelog... :-)02:31
robtaylorwell in which case the rest must be source deb building differences, *phew*02:32
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mvo_hi rburton 02:34
=== robtaylor thinks theres some very big differences beween the source packages on www.morphix.org/debian and cvs
rburtonhi mvo_ 02:34
T-Bonelamont: i don't get it. if i pass both packages and sources, it compares and checks what's missing, that's it?02:34
lamontit says 'what sources are newer than the binaries I have'02:35
T-Bonethen i have only 147 packages left, among which i presume a whole bunch are "expected failures"02:35
lamontand also remove ':partial' from the output, since those don't count either..02:35
lamontT-Bone: cool.02:35
lamontbetter than me, since it took me a while to figure out that cyrus-sasl2 is unbuildable right now.02:36
T-Bonesuprisingly enough it wants me te rebuild glibc while i already have it built02:37
lamontdoes it say ':partial' off to the right?02:37
T-Bonelamont: i used:  quinn-diff -A ia64 -p build/chroot-warty/var/lib/apt/lists/envy_stage1_dists_warty_main_binary-ia64_Packages -s build/chroot-warty/var/lib/apt/lists/gandalf_dists_warty_main_source_Sources  | sed 's:^.*/\(.*\).dsc.*:\1:' > build_list_stage2.302:37
robtaylorlamont: not convinced thats the upstream -19 that your comparing too..02:38
T-Bonegreping partial in the resulting list gives no result02:38
T-Bonelamont: am i doing something wrong?02:38
robtaylorlamont: no i am convinced now =)02:40
robtaylori'm going to go poke alexx02:41
T-Bonelamont: is that ok?02:42
lamontT-Bone: did you correctly create the Packages and Sources files in the repository? and did you apt-get update?02:43
T-Boneyes i did. Packages created using smashArchive, Sources created using your mirror script, version 1 :)02:43
lamontand do you find libc6.1 in the Packages file?02:43
lamontand is it the same version as the one that's going to get built?02:44
T-BonePackage: libc6.102:45
T-BoneSource: glibc02:45
T-BoneVersion: 2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu202:45
T-Boneand it wants to build: glibc_2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu202:45
thomfear, i 'ave ze pangoised firefox love02:46
T-Bonelamont: ain't that weird?02:47
lamontvery strange02:49
T-Bonewell i'll just remove glibc from the build list since it's one of the longest build02:50
T-Boneand hope that these are only positive diffs (ie, quinn-diff is only adding unnecessary things, not missing ones)02:51
lamontanything in sources that is missing binaries in packages goes in (some --> :partial)02:52
T-Boneah, got it02:54
T-Boneremoving the sed stuff: libs/glibc_2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2.dsc [required:partial] 02:54
T-Boneyou said partial should be ignored, why?02:55
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robtaylorlamont: is it ok with you if i upstream your changes?03:03
robtaylorlamont: ah never mind, they're already upstream it seems03:04
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lamontrobtaylor: all of those changes should get pushed upstream.  alex knows about them, may have pulled all of them, or may not.03:08
lamontT-Bone: :partial means that some of the Binaries listed in the source package are missing.  duh.  we know that.  They won't get built if we do it over either...03:11
T-Boneok, got that03:11
lamont:partial is the original reason that PaS was created03:11
lamontthe file that gets edited to tell the buildd's to not try a particular source package on a particular architecture.03:12
T-Bonei'm fetching all.deb packages into my stage1 rep03:13
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lamontT-Bone: the reason I only had -p in what I gave you was because I fetched Sources and unziped in .03:17
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T-Bonegrep -v partial and i'm down to 52 packages :)03:20
T-Bonei'll have to find a way to clean my stage1/2 rep so that it only has stage2 bins in it at some point, too03:20
Micksahey, who knows zwiki well here? :)03:22
MicksaI think sm is the only real zwiki developer03:22
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Kamiondoko: um, grub in unstable already build-deps on gcc-3.4 on amd64?03:32
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mvo_hi Mitario 03:42
Mitariohey everyone03:42
Mitariomvo_, any idea on when to get the update stuff out for the public and upload it e.g. to hoary?03:44
mvo_Mitario: this week?03:44
Mitariofine by me03:44
mvo_I added dbus support into upgrade notifier, so that it will recheck for upgrades on changes from apt03:44
Mitarioapt is already dbussed?03:45
mvo_no, but easy to do with the shell dbus-send03:45
mvo_for now I use it send a signal after synaptic ran (or to be precise the new upgrade-app script that will call the correct app :)03:45
Mitarioit's great if we bring it out this week03:47
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mvo_that brings me to the upgrade-manager :) can we check it in somewhere?03:47
Mitarioi could use gnome.org cvs, but i don't think i'm allowed too03:47
Mitarioi could put it on cvs.luon.net, or my own server @ eyesopened.nl03:48
dokoohh, yes Robert Milan recently added this.03:49
dokokamion: ohh, yes Robert Milan recently added this.03:49
Mitariomvo_, are you an ubuntu maintainer atm?03:50
Mitarioah, yes ok, great :)03:51
mvo_Mitario: yes, but my account is not yet created, so I can't upload :)03:51
Mitarioah, ok bummer :p03:51
Mitariowe'll have to get us sponsored then, i guess03:51
mvo_I think it will be ready in the next few days03:51
mvo_I have a synaptic update ready too03:51
Mitariook, cool03:53
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Kyaneosi have a problem with blender04:11
Kyaneoscan nobody help me?04:11
Kamionelmo: I'm guessing file-preseed/network-preseed need NEWed?04:11
lamontelmo: please sync memtest86+04:13
Kamionelmo: please pull download-installer into hoary; it's from the net-retriever source04:19
mjg59Do you all have macros so you can just do /sync package and get elmo: please sync package?04:24
mjg59If not, why not?04:24
Keybuk$ sync memtest86+04:26
Keybukopens a socket and sends PRIVMSG #ubuntu-devel :elmo: please sync memtest86+04:26
Keybuk? :)04:26
Keybukhmm, now I remembering discussions of an RPC-over-IRC protocol04:27
danielsKeybuk: /ctcp elmo SYNC memtest86+04:29
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tsenghah nice.04:30
Mithrandirfabbione: you evil person04:30
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Kyaneosi have a problem with blender04:32
Kyaneoscan nobody help me?04:32
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mjg59fabbione: About time. Slacker.04:36
lamontwarning: failed to load external entity "http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/html/footnote.xsl"04:37
lamonthrm.. guess gtkmm2.0 shouldn't be trying to download pieces of itself during the build process, eh?04:37
lamontyet another bug to file04:37
fabbionemjg59: me? slaker? tsk :P04:37
fabbionelamont: we might need your help pretty soon04:37
fabbionelamont: we want to simulate an archive flush to rebuild hoary with x.org in place of xfree8604:38
fabbionelamont: do you think you can assist us with something simple?04:38
fabbionelamont: daniels already prepared from sbuild thingy04:38
lamontprepared from sbuild thingy??04:38
danielslamont: we have a (sort of hackish but not terribly bad) sbuild+wanna-build+etc setup04:39
danielslamont: and want to simulate a scorched earth, but with xorg in place of xfree8604:39
lamontthen what do you need me for?04:39
fabbionelamont: in case we get stocked somewhere?04:39
lamontnote that you can't do a full rebuild of hoary right now - cyrus-sasl2 (and hence ldap and..........) FTBFS04:39
fabbioneyou are the buildd master here ;)04:39
lamontcan help, sure.04:40
fabbionelamont: we can still start from warty04:40
fabbionethat is already a good shot04:40
lamontyeah, pretty sure that warty can rebuild itself completely04:40
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elmokamion: they did, but I did them before lunch?04:41
elmolamont: done04:42
elmohmm, where the hell did the binaries go04:42
danielslamont: is the wanna-build tree from cvs.linux-m68k.org the most current one?04:43
daniels(or elmo, I suppose, since you're the nominal maintainer in debian/control :P)04:43
elmoah, someone broke katie04:43
elmodaniels: no, db.debian.org/debian-admin04:43
elmokamion: done download-installer04:43
danielselmo: cheers04:43
danielselmo: you might want to update buildd.d.o at some stage (or whoever's responsible for that)04:43
danielselmo: er, db.d.o/d-a just gives the regular db.d.o page04:44
elmokamion: should prop through in ~10 mins04:45
danielselmo: (not on cvs or f-m either, afaict)04:45
elmodaniels: grab a Packages or Sources and use exact URLs04:45
danielselmo: oh, deb and deb-src04:46
danielselmo: cheers04:46
Kamionelmo: ta04:51
danielselmo: that source is missing wanna-build, fwiw (no w-b package for i386 in Packages.gz)04:53
elmodaniels: there's w-b for other platforms and it's mostly arch: all *shrug* and there's source 05:02
danielselmo: yah, built it by hand05:04
lamontelmo: you know gal2.2_2.2.3.orig.tar.gz is fail-to-fetch, yes?05:12
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lamontjbailey: stupid libc question for you...05:13
jbaileylamont: Sure. =)05:13
lamontwhy does the current hoary glibc hang on ia64 in threads tests? :-(05:14
jbaileylamont: I haven't looked at hoary's glibc stuff at all - is it pretty much what we have in Debian sid?05:14
jbailey(The difference being that I have seen a thread hang a couple of times, unreproducable with some hardcore tests in Debian sid's snapshot.  I've not seen them with recent glibc CVS snapshots)05:15
elmolamont: works for me ?05:16
lamontelmo: and md5sum matches, etc?05:18
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jbaileyIs your ia64 box on a 2.6 kernel?05:18
lamontjbailey: atm, 2.3.2-13ubuntu3 - need to see how 2.3.2-18ubuntu1 does05:18
elmogod damn it05:19
elmolamont: there's nothing I can do about that, we'll have to do a 2.2.3us1 or something05:19
elmolamont: warty has a different .orig.tar.gz to hoary/sid05:19
elmowe can't fix warty, so ...05:19
enricoHello.   Are there any meeings scheduled in #ubuntu-meeting on thursday?  We'd like to make a docteam meeting and I'm checking so that we don't stomp on other people's toes05:19
jbaileylamont: I wouldn't expect -13 to -18 to have much difference for thread hangs.05:19
lamontjbailey: ah, ok. I'll track down exactly which test it is this time... amusingly enough, killing the test lets things finish...05:20
lamontistr only one test05:20
lamontotherwise, you timeout after 2.5 Hours05:20
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danielsmdz: ping05:20
jbaileyThat sounds like the hang we used to have.  I haven't triggered it in a while, though.05:20
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lamontelmo: I'll upload a new gal2.2 then.05:21
lamontjbailey: ok05:21
lamontelmo: sync chicken please05:21
lamontand closed. :)05:22
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KamionI think we need libelfg0 and libelfg0-dev in main05:24
Kamionltrace depends on the former and build-depends on the latter05:24
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danielsjust after Keybuk ran away, too.05:29
Kamiondaniels: so, syslinux, or shall I do it now?05:34
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danielsKamion: i'll take it05:35
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Kamionlamont: hm, if I upload debian-installer before the last build-dep is ready, it won't cause extra work for you, will it?05:39
danielslost the only version of my new thinkpad-x40-support package, which was by now rather generic.05:39
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lamontKamion: providing that it's not a virtual package that's missing, no, it shouldn't05:40
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lamontelmo: please sync imlib2_1.1.0-12.405:40
lamont(aka latest)05:40
elmolamont: done05:40
lamonthrm.. something wierd about that version number...05:41
lamontor should I call it 2.2.3ubuntu1-1?05:42
fabbionedpkg-deb: building package `xlibs-pic' in `../xlibs-pic_6.8.1-0.0_all.deb'.05:43
lamontelmo: uploading gal2.2_2.2.3ubuntu1-1ubuntu1 in a minute or two...05:44
pittilamont: WTF messed up _this_ version number?05:44
pittifabbione: does it finally work? Congrats!05:45
sivanganybody knows what with the wiki?05:45
fabbionepitti: no it doesn't yet05:45
lamontpitti: 2.2.3 was uploaded to warty.  and later to debian.  and the orig.tar.gz's don't match.05:45
sivangit's down again05:45
fabbionepitti: we are just building the first set of debs05:45
lamontso we get to be a different _upstream_ version number too.05:45
pittilamont: no chance to put the upstream changes into a debian diff?05:46
elmoaiee, it's fabbione with daniels-speak05:46
sivanghttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/ <=== DOWN also05:46
lamontsivang: rookery is happy, though..05:47
elmosivang: no it's not?05:47
pittisivang: works fine for me05:47
sivangelmo : oh, well maybe just for me.. strange..05:47
mdzdaniels: pong05:47
mdzpitti: here?05:48
sivangcame back now05:48
pittimdz: yes, good morning!05:48
mdzpitti: you have an update to release, yes?05:48
pittimdz: a couple of 'em :-)05:48
pittimdz: I prepared advisories for groff and for xpdf/cupsys/tetex-bin05:48
mdzxpdf and tetex-bin are built05:49
pittimdz: I put the latter ones into one advisory because it has a common cause05:49
mdzgroff and cupsys are missing amd6405:49
mdzlamont: ?05:49
lamontpitti: problem is that we want debian's orig.tar.gz, and changing to that would require that we change warty, which is a no-no05:49
lamontmdz: yo05:49
pittilamont: I understand05:49
pittilamont: I uploaded some security updates today, but groff and cupsys did not build on amd64 yet05:50
lamontpitti: my only indecision is whether to call it 2.2.3ubuntu1-1 or 2.2.3ubuntu1-1ubuntu105:50
elmolamont: king isn't uploading right05:50
pittilamont: I'd favor the first :-)05:50
mdzlamont: cupsys and groff security builds on amd64?05:50
pittimdz: BTW, is there any chance I could verify such things on my own? I. e. read access to the build queue?05:51
lamontelmo: will check05:51
lamontpitti: build results go to security@ for -security uploads05:51
pittimdz: BTW, https://chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com/~pitti/ has the interdiffs and advisories05:51
pittilamont: odd, I thought I received security@...05:52
pittilamont: but obviously I don't05:52
pittilamont: security@ meaning security@ubuntulinux.org?05:52
pittimdz: did you get these mails to security@u.o? I don't05:52
lamontelmo: cron restarted on king05:53
mdzpitti: I have never received mail from an ubuntu security build, no05:53
pittilamont: ^05:53
lamontyou only get failure emails.  these were both successes05:53
lamontcron wasn't launching johbs05:54
elmolamont: doh05:56
|trey|quick q I thought I would ask here... bad to mix hoary universe + multiverse with warty main + restricted? (mainly saying cuz mplayer is in hoary multiverse)05:56
|trey|(don't want to ask in help channel due to them getting the idea anyways...)05:56
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lamont|trey|: "bad" is a relative thing...05:57
Kamion|trey|: may work sometimes, not likely to stay working05:57
lamontI don't _think_ mplayer drags anything in right now, but who knows..05:57
KamionUploading via ftp debian-installer_20041027ubuntu1_source.changes: done.05:58
lamontgal uploaded05:58
|trey|recommend in help for people that want to watch movies: yes/no?05:58
Kamionunwise to recommend that they add the whole line to sources.list05:59
Kamionretrieving individual .debs and installing with dpkg -i may work05:59
lamont|trey|: or grab the hoary source and build it on warty...05:59
|trey|Kamion, k... yeah, that sounds safest... like lamont said, its has no deps that I know of... so yeah  :)05:59
lamont|trey|: known to build on warty, but that got done after the release, and doesn't meet criteria for warty-updates06:00
lamont|trey|: so find a security bug in it, and we'll have an excuse to upload to warty-security. :)06:00
elmois anyone else having problems with a jabber.org account?06:01
lamontelmo: yep06:01
sabdflelmo: check06:01
elmook, cool06:01
lamontelmo: that's why I'm bugging you _here_. :-)06:01
elmo(well not.. but at least it's not just me, YKWIM)06:01
lamontgal2.2 uploaded06:03
lamontKamion: about miscfiles.......06:03
Kamionlamont: what does the current version in unstable have?06:04
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Kamionlamont: if it still has Depends: fileutils, the change needs to stay06:05
lamontDepends: coreutils06:05
lamontah, was fileutils.  has changed in debian to coreutils.06:06
lamontelmo: please sync miscfiles06:06
pittilamont: are the amd64 packages in the queue now?06:06
lamontpitti: uploaded06:06
pittilamont: thanks06:07
pittimdz: should be there now06:07
lamontupload didn't happen was where the breakage was.06:07
mdzpitti: yes, everything is there06:07
elmolamont: done06:07
T-Bonegah, damned courrier, cursing my build06:08
mdzelmo: do you have a moment to set up pitti with access and rights to run amber?06:08
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elmomdz: meh, done06:10
pittimdz: could you give me the right to approve mails to u-s-a as well?06:10
T-Bonelamont: seems that the culprit is emacs06:10
danielslamont: ping06:11
mdzpitti: I think the list can have only one moderator, let me see06:11
lamontdaniels: yo06:11
mdzelmo: do you have any written instructions for amber?06:11
lamontT-Bone: culprit?06:11
pittimdz: usually you have one administrator and several moderators06:11
T-Bonestuck build06:11
T-Boneon courrier test06:11
T-Bonei can't figure out which package cause that06:11
lamontdaniels: 60 second warning...06:12
danielslamont: can you please review the syslinux merge?06:12
pittimdz: oh, it seems that was not totally right; there can be several admins/moderators, but only one password, I think06:12
danielslamont: about to put it up on fooishbar06:13
elmomdz: err, beyond the obvious and --help?  no06:13
cenerentolasorry i cant use the printer wizard...06:13
cenerentolait doesnt recognize the printer: HP 710C06:13
T-Bonelamont: yeah it's definitely emacs06:13
elmopitti: cd /srv/ftp.no-name-yet.com/queue/accepted/; amber 18-1 mawk_*.changes06:13
pittielmo: rookery?06:13
elmopitti: add '-n' to the end for no-action/dry run.. run 'helena' to get a (not ideal) list of what's waiting for you06:14
cenerentolalamont: can you help?06:14
elmopitti: no, jackass06:14
mdzpitti: if you need to make multiple uploads, make sure that you amber them all, even if they're erroneous06:14
mdzpitti: this will cause the extra packages to be listed in the advisory template (unless elmo fixed that), but they shouldn't be left in the queue06:14
elmoyeah, that too06:14
mdzthat was a bigger deal in Debian, where we had to worry about the .orig all the time06:15
mdzthere are actually a lot fewer gotchas in ubuntu, I guess06:15
pittiokay, thanks06:15
pittielmo: when I run "helena", I get a python exception with "_pg.error: FATAL:  user "pitti" does not exist"06:15
danielsmdz: how do I version 2.11-0.1 for ubuntu?06:16
mdzpitti: you're going to document all of this, right?06:16
elmopitti: meh, details06:16
mdzdaniels: 2.11-0ubuntu106:16
elmopitti: fixed06:16
pittimdz: you mean in the advisory?06:16
mdzpitti: I mean the procedures for security06:17
mdzpitti: how to use the tools, etc. it should be documented06:17
danielsmdz: which is > 2.11-0.2?06:17
pittimdz: Oh, I make notes :-)06:17
mdzpitti: also, one caveat regarding the mailing list06:17
elmogod I hate bash's history handling so much06:17
T-Bonelamont: looks like i'll be ready to test stage2 chroot anytime soon, the remaining non-built package being less than necessary (abiword and co)06:19
pittielmo: you really mean amber 13-1 groff*.changes -n  (i. e. -n as the very last word)?06:19
pittielmo: or amber 13-1 -n groff*.changes?06:19
elmopitti: either works06:19
elmopitti: the important thing is that the advisory number is first - due to a bug, amber insists on that (even if '-n' is the first thing)06:20
Kamionmdz: did you hear of a way to do ?action=raw in zwiki? I added it to WikiWishlist just in case ...06:20
mdzKamion: no, I haven't06:20
elmooh, wow, I'm so glad I didn't add that global redirect now..06:20
mdzelmo: you need to put some zsh in your pipe and smoke it06:21
elmomdz: I use it at home, I just haven't gotten round to migrating my remote accounts06:21
mdzelmo: speaking of which, can you set my preferred shell in userdir-ldap to zsh?06:22
fabbioneelmo: please i need rman installed on yellow and adare chroots06:22
fabbioneelmo: i need to do a test build for X.org06:22
elmoeek, the buildd stuff doesn't prioritize it's builds 06:22
elmofabbione: eh, adare doesn't even have a hoary chroot yet - or are you happy with warty?06:23
dokoelmo: yellow has i386-hoary only, not amd6406:23
fabbioneelmo: warty please06:24
fabbioneelmo: i don't need hoary yet06:24
fabbioneelmo: sorry i wasn't clear06:24
elmodoko: oh, sweet.. I forgot yellow had an i386 base.  rock on06:24
elmodoko: btw, has mdz talked to you about de-kdelib-ing gcc-3.406:25
elmofabbione: done - just freshening the chroots while I'm herte06:25
mdzI don't think I have, but now is as good a time as any06:26
mdzdoko: you have a merge to do with gcc-3.4 anyway; you could do that at the same time06:26
fabbioneelmo: thanks a lot!06:26
mdzpitti: I have added you as a moderator for u-s-a06:27
mdzpitti: one thing you need to be aware of06:27
mdzpitti: there are many broken mailers in the world06:27
mdzpitti: something which happens constantly is that copies of the advisory get fed back to the list itself06:27
mdzpitti: so be careful to only approve the one that you sent, and discard the rest06:27
dokomdz: do what with kdelib? it's built with 3.4?06:27
elmodoko: not build-depend on it :)06:28
mdzdoko: remove the build-dependency on kdelibs06:28
pittimdz: I already cursed at the millions of autoamted replies I got...06:28
mdzpitti: yes, I have a blacklist for that if you want it ;-)06:28
pittimdz: nice :-) procmail based?06:28
dokocould I have access to a powerpc hoary box for a gcc test build?06:28
mdzpitti: yes06:28
mdzover the years I have collected them from bogus bugtraq bounces06:28
pittimdz: I would kill for it :-)06:28
pittimdz: well, at least I would say "thank you" :-)06:29
elmofabbione: all done06:29
elmodoko: I'll create a hoary chroot on adare06:29
elmothis one will actually be hoary too ;-)06:29
fabbioneelmo: thanks!06:29
dokoelmo: thanks06:29
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danielslamont: http://fooishbar.org/daniel/syslinux/ -- it was reasonably complex and stuff has changed, so review would be nice06:30
danielsKamion: ^^06:30
elmolamont: buildd will take 10 packages, 9 universe one main, and not build the main one first - if you get a chance, and it's easy, might be nice to fix that06:30
Kamiondaniels: 0.1ubuntu1 would be a better version number06:31
Kamiondaniels: that way it isn't greater than any -0.2 that might happen to be uploaded to Debian06:31
danielsKamion: *shrug* ask mdz06:33
mdz0.1ubuntu1, 0ubuntu1, whatever06:34
mdzit's all hypothetical in the extreme06:34
pittimdz, elmo: ambering worked fine, thanks for the introduction and setup06:35
pittimdz: I think we need to agree on an ML admin password, right?06:35
Kamionmdz: hypothetical?06:35
pittimdz: I sent oht the advisories, but I have to approve them06:35
Kamion-0.2 for syslinux is quite likely06:35
Kamiongiven that the maintainer's fairly inactive06:35
mdzpitti: I am just extremely paranoid about amber because there were a lot of things to worry about in Debian, but it's much simpler here06:35
elmoalways an encouraging thing to find at the top of an /etc/fstab of a production machine06:36
Kamionelmo: somebody just ran debootstrap and didn't finish the job, it seems ...06:36
elmokamion: that's the root fs06:36
pittimdz: the only gotcha that I found was that the presence or absence of '-n' does not really seem to make a difference06:36
lamontelmo: part of the whole 3 unequal but together suites mess I need to address.  But thanks - hadn't gotten that one yet.06:36
elmopitti: ??06:36
pittimdz, elmo: I used -n for groff, but the packages were installed anyway and I also got the template mail06:37
mdzpitti: I meant primarily with the uploads themselves.  in Debian, security was an entirely separate katie instance, so you had to remember to handle the .orig correctly, and there were no safeguards to ensure the version numbers were sane06:37
elmodude, that's like so not possible06:37
mdz(relative to the main archive)06:37
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mdzpitti: cut and paste the command line?06:37
T-Bonelamont: see ya06:37
pittimdz: oh, right. As far as I can see, security.u.o and archive.u.o are more or less the same, right?06:38
Kamiondaniels: in fact, 0ubuntu1 < 0.1, so definitely wrong :)06:38
Kamiondaniels: with version 2.11-0.1ubuntu1, the diff looks otherwise fine to me06:38
elmopitti: no, archive.u.c is one machine, security.u.o is two06:38
elmothey should appear the same tho, so the fact that you think they are is good ;-)06:38
pittimdz, elmo: oh, I looked again in bash history, I typed the groff command twice, second one without -n. Alright then, sorry.06:39
danielsKamion: cheers06:39
pittimdz: can you send me an encrypted mail with the u-s-a moderator password?06:39
mdzpitti: is it possible to set a moderator password separate from the administrator password?06:40
mdzI think what I have is the admin password06:40
pittimdz: I only found the list of admin/mod email addresses06:40
pittimdz: when I go to .../admindb/u-s-a, it only asks for a password, and not for a kind of login06:41
pittimdz: I already tried the password for ubuntu-de06:41
pittimdz: I found it06:43
pittimdz: on the main admin page, second menu point is "Passwords"06:43
pittimdz: there you can set a moderator password06:43
mdzpitti: ok, send a signed&encrypted email with the password you would like06:44
pittimdz: it's still only one password for all moderators, but better than nothing06:44
mdzpitti: or I can make a random one and send it to you06:44
pittimdz: I'll mail you06:44
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pittimdz: sent; we really need to sign our keys at es-conf06:47
mdzmvo_: welcome aboard! :-)06:47
mvo_thanks mdz  :)06:47
mvo_I already have a bunch of questions for you :)06:48
mdzelmo: can you take care of mvo as far as accounts and keys?06:48
mvo_mdz: elmo did already, I got my account today06:49
mvo_but I haven't tried to log-in yet :)06:49
mdzah, great06:49
elmomdz: :-P06:49
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mdzpitti: moderator password set06:50
pittimdz: works,thanks06:50
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Kamionsorry, circuit breaker tripped06:51
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dokomdz, elmo: I'm lost. which kdelibs version has a gcc-3.4 build-dep?06:55
KamionYou don't have permission to access /~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html on this server.06:55
elmodoko: nono, gcc-3.4 b-ds on kdelibs06:55
elmoor, more precisely, kdebindings06:55
danielselmo: ?!?!?!06:56
Kamionlamont: ^--06:56
Kamionfor AWT presumably06:56
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elmoerr.. hang on06:59
elmoapparently my germinate output parsing powers have waned07:00
elmodoko: sorry, it's not your problem at all07:00
elmoit's actually.. ?! debconf which is pulling in kdelibs07:00
elmolibqt-perl                                 | libqt-perl                       | debconf (Build-Depend)            07:01
elmolibsmokeqt-dev                                    | kdebindings                  | libqt-perl (Build-Depend)   07:01
dokook, I didn't any dependency there as well. good to know I'm not halluscianting07:01
elmokdelibs4-dev                               | kdelibs                          | kdebindings (Build-Depend)     07:01
Keybuk"Guns don't kill people, Germinate does" ?07:04
danielselmo: yeah, that makes sense07:07
elmonot for us :P07:08
elmoshall I file a bug on debconf ?07:08
danielsyah, asking to disable the qt frontend07:08
mdzwhy does it build-dep on it anyway?07:09
mdzit only Suggests it at runtime07:09
mdzelmo: yes, please07:10
elmomdz: eh? it still has to b-d on it, to be able to suggest it07:10
elmoor at least build with it to suggest it07:10
mdzelmo: wha? it's perl07:12
mdzseb128: are you fixing this libgroupwise/e-d-s conflict?07:13
Kamionmdz: moc/uic07:13
Kamionmdz: the Qt interface is generated at build-time07:14
Kamionpuic, rather07:14
elmomdz: with a .so ?07:14
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elmoin fact, a proper shared library even07:14
seb128mdz: there is a conflict ?07:14
mdzseb128: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libecal6_1.0.2-2ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):07:14
mdz trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libecal.so.6.2.1', which is also in package evolution-data-server07:14
seb128hum, ok07:14
mdzseb128: several of them07:14
mdzdpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libegroupwise6_1.0.2-2ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):07:15
mdz trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libegroupwise.so.6.0.0', which is also in package evolution-data-server07:15
mdzevolution-data-server conflicts with about 5 packages now07:15
mdzsomeone just sent a problem report to warty-changes07:16
elmomdz: jdub saw it and tightened the list down07:17
pittielmo: what's a working and prefered email for the Ubuntu security team? security@u.org or team@security.u.org?07:17
elmopitti: the former, the latter no longer exists07:18
pittielmo: thanks; the latter could be nice for Debian compatibility, though07:18
elmo(s@ul.o or s@u.c, bother work)07:18
elmopitti: mdz07:19
elmomdz: pitti07:19
mdzpitti: security@ is used by everyone else in the world :-)07:20
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mdzamu, lamont : so we can build live CDs in a chroot now?07:30
amumdz: no, just workng on it, you follow my daily reports ? 07:31
mdzamu: yes, I inferred that from your report07:31
amumdz: guess some more day's and i get it working 07:31
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mdz* run serval tests building the iso in a chroot07:32
mdzamu: that seemed to indicate that it was working07:32
amumdz: he problem is, the mmaker/isomaker has 0 debug option  07:32
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amui got it now on this, i have all modules unter /tmp ... i dont know why, some packages arnt installed, rewiting code now that every fucking comannd is beeing logged :)  07:34
amumdz: the bootspash isnt added to the miniroot, and at the final iso-tree grub+themes are missing. i cannot find it out why, so I need debug options on the code.   07:37
fabbionelamont: at what time do the buildd's pick up stuff from the archive?07:56
Kamionjdub: 19:00 < joeyh> Kamion: give jdub some props from me, FWIW he correctly decided about whether preseeding was safe for warty..08:01
KosaiKamion: Hiya.  Power cut?  :)08:02
KamionKosai: kinda, circuit breaker tripped apparently due to the radio being plugged in in the kitchen (!)08:03
pittimdz, doko: I fleshed out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SecurityUpdateProcedures. I would appreciate some proofreading :-)08:04
lamontKamion: you want to write the livecd vs install CD blurb, or shall I?08:07
Kamiondon't mind really. if you're at a loose end ... :)08:08
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lamontone more either way doesn't much matter...08:08
Kamionok, I'll put it on my todo08:08
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danielsKamion: if you want to take syslinux and upload it, that would be nice08:09
danielsKamion: waiting for my shiny new ssh key to propagate (sigh)08:09
danielsKamion: otoh, if it's not a blocker for your work, i'll take care of it (probably on the other side of sleep by the time the key's out though, i'm crashing raipidly)08:10
lamontKamion/vorlon: fwiw, taking postgresql-dev into sarge makes cyrus-sasl2 unbuildable. :-(   See 27915808:10
danielslamont: could you please give back xrender 0.9.0-0ubuntu1 when render 0.9-0ubuntu1 is in?08:11
danielslamont: (forgot to tighten up b-ds)08:11
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mdzpitti: I made some adjustments, looks pretty good08:13
mdzpitti: we will need a separate process for coordinated disclosure08:13
pittimdz: so far I do not know much about this anyway08:13
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despmdz: :)08:14
despmdz: I have ubuntu working on my oldworld08:14
mdzdesp: great, do you have some patches for us?08:15
mdzwhat was the cause of the problem?08:15
pittimdz: did you made any serious changes (apart from typos)? I can't spot them :-)08:15
mdzpitti: shift+reload, it's probably cached08:15
mdzpitti: you can also read the history08:15
despthe cause of the problem was that the generated initrd was left on the ext3 partition, and the BootX bootloader used on oldworld needed it on the Mac OS HFS partition08:16
despso this is really not an issue, because the most difficult thing to do is getting the actual initrd file across the ext3/hfs barrier08:16
despthis is actually pretty hard, since there is no support for ext3 on Mac OS 9, and having booted from the ubuntu install CD, one can't mount a hfs partition.08:17
pittimdz: a "debdiff" is a different thing for me than an "interdiff". debdiff checking is good, but it does not really help to concisely see code changes; I prefer an interdiff for this08:17
mdzit should be possible to use the live CD08:18
mdzpitti: er..have you used debdiff? :-)08:18
pittimdz: yes08:18
mdzpitti: it does what interdiff does, plus more08:18
pittimdz: so far I only used it with deb packages, though08:18
mdzpitti: you can run debdiff on two .dsc files08:18
lamontdaniels: it does that sort of give-back automatically... (it's called 'dep-wait'...)08:18
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pittimdz: ah, I did not know that, thanks. I always used interdiff for this.08:20
mdzpitti: maybe it is worth more explanation in the wiki page, then08:20
pittimdz: I add the "two .dsc files"08:20
mdzmvo_: will you be uploading a new synaptic today?08:21
pittimdz: BTW, doko prepared an update for libarchive-zip-perl, did you see this?08:21
mdzpitti: he sent the email to me, CCing you08:21
pittimdz: shall I check and handle this?08:21
despI'll be going, then. see ya08:22
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T-Bonelamont: i have a few remaining FTBS packages that fail for stupid reasons, such as subversion dying because it doesn't like the current locale during install :P08:23
T-Bonei'm left with 47 packages, tho08:24
lamontT-Bone: sounds like you're ready to move on to d-i then, ey?08:25
T-Bonelamont: sounds like, yeah :)08:26
sjoerdseb128, pitti: the new debian g-v-m should fix the crash on dbus restart, that people have been seeing08:26
pittisjoerd: nice, thanks08:26
T-Bonelamont: if you wanna give a look at the remaining failures: http://envy.esiee.fr/~varenet/not_successful08:26
pittisjoerd: I'll do an upload soon08:26
T-Bonelamont: i'll have to find a way to purge the chroot from pre-stage2 binaries too08:26
pittidoko: there is no CVE/CAN number for the perl zip vulnerability?08:27
seb128sjoerd: ok, cool08:27
Kamiondaniels: ok, may have a look after karate tonight08:28
dokono, haven't seen one, only the references found at http://lwn.net/Articles/108926/08:28
pittidoko: I don't have access to yellow, is the package on chinstrap still valid?08:29
dokodid I write yellow? I meant chinstrap.08:30
pittimdz: do you agree to upload this libarchive-zip-perl update?08:30
KamionT-Bone: guess I should upload linux-kernel-di-ia64-2.6 soon08:33
T-BoneKamion: that'd be cool :)08:34
Kamionnot that hoary's installer is working for any other architecture quite yet ...08:34
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lamontelmo: please sync kdelibs08:38
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elmolamont: done08:40
elmodoko: adare now has a hoary chroot and you have an account08:41
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dokoelmo: cool08:42
elmoOut-of-date BUT modified:  68 (6.59%)08:42
elmoOut-of-date BUT modified:  76 (0.97%)08:42
dokohave to be there before fabbione starts the X builds ;)08:42
elmomain, universe08:42
lamontKamion: mooning it won't help, but it might make you feel better....  And it avoids facing it! :-)08:42
lamontelmo: does that stat automatically pick up new sid  uploads?08:43
elmolamont: yeah08:44
elmoI need to start filing bugs I guess for new ones08:44
lamontelmo: once the buildd's get caught up, I'll drop in the latest, which has max_build_percentage (then I'll make max_build=30, max_build_percent=25, and we'll handle both large and small influxes in a more distributed manner)08:47
lamonts/latest/latest buildd/08:47
lamontelmo: any chance that the universe-before-main included a main package that was 'unknown'?08:47
elmoit was d-i, so I doubt it08:48
elmoI saw it on whatever built the powerpc upload08:48
elmobuildd ordering stuff08:50
elmothe buildd took 10 packages, 9 universe, 1 main (d-i) and built d-i last.. which is a bug08:50
lamontelmo: ok.  I'll stare at it a little bit - could be a trivial tweak08:51
lamontelmo: you mean this one?08:52
elmolamont: it's not a big deal, the really critical stuff is warty-security, and I know that works (i.e. is built first), so don't go to any effort08:52
lamontNov  1 17:19:12 buildd: Starting build (dist=hoary) of:08:52
lamontNov  1 17:19:12 buildd: imlib2_1.1.0-12.4 gal2.2_2.2.3ubuntu1-1ubuntu1 dvd+rw-tools_5. debian-installer_20041027ubuntu1 ocaml-mad_0.1.2-2 ocaml-shout_0.1.1-2 ocaml-vorbis_0.1.1-2 simage_1.6.0-2 swt-gtk_3.0-6 swt-motif_3.0-408:52
lamontbecause that looks right...08:52
elmolamont: blah, sorry, yes, it's fine.  god damn, i just suck at parsing simple things today08:53
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lamontelmo: is the lene output fetchable (for each architecture, of course...)08:58
elmolamont: no, I could probably make it fetchable - LAN only tho, I'm afraid08:58
elmo(you're free to wget it on rookery, and dump it in your ~/public_html if you want tho)08:58
elmoI just can't expose jackass' apache08:59
=== lamont meant to the buildd's.
lamontalthough it might not be a bad thing to wget to rookery09:00
elmolamont: why do the buildds want it?09:01
fabbionedaniels: i uploaded xrender ubuntu2 to fix the build-dep09:01
fabbioneelmo: when you have time (= no rush) i will need access to the hoary chroots on yellow and adare09:01
lamontelmo: _I_ want it.09:01
fabbioneelmo: do you want a mail for it?09:01
fabbioneX.org can't build on warty anymore09:01
lamontso that I can do givebacks as needed to deal with the 90%-working auto-depwaiter.09:01
mdzpitti_: I have not reviewed the package; what is your analysis?09:08
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lamontelmo: so s/buildd/in-dc-lan/09:11
lamontelmo: automake1.9 needs some NEW love.09:13
elmoautomake1.9 is what broke katie earlier - I'm looking at it09:13
lamontelmo: ah, ok.09:20
dokolamont: that's hppa only, doesn't count. I'll add some love^H^H^H^H killing to the tests09:20
lamontdoko: heh.  thanks09:20
lamontdoko: but don't do a special upload for that fix. :-)09:21
lamontdoko: lt-gij as well, it appears09:21
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dokogcc-3.3 only, or 3.4 and -snapshot as well?09:22
fabbioneah damn09:23
fabbionei misread the version09:23
elmoGAR stupid X09:24
makowiki question09:25
makoi am going to start and then advertise a wiki page for non-canonical people that want to come to the conference.. where should i put it?09:26
fabbionexorg_6.8.1-0.0_i386.changes                                     100%   21KB  21.3KB/s   00:00    09:30
fabbioneSuccessfully uploaded packages.09:30
fabbioneNot running dinstall.09:30
fabbionelooks good09:30
fabbionedput -u -f ubuntu-local xorg_6.8.1-0.0_i386.changes09:32
fabbionetsk :-)09:32
elmolamont: jackass/lene/09:34
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hornbeckdid the fonts change for Hoary?09:41
mdzelmo: are you synching unmodified packages on an ongoing basis yet?09:43
mdzhornbeck: not that I know of09:44
mdzthey look the same to me, anyway09:44
hornbeckthey look different on the box I just updated09:45
hornbeckmaybe just my eys09:45
elmomdz: have been for ages09:46
mdzelmo: ok. how frequently? daily?09:46
elmomdz: yes09:47
mdzelmo: what time of day?09:47
elmodebian only updates that frequently?09:47
mdzelmo: so I have a bug which is fixed in the current Debian version.  At what time should I set a reminder to close the bug?09:47
elmo3:17 local to jackass09:47
elmo(GMT atm)09:48
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mdzjustdave: can we have an 'automatically resolve in 24 hours' status in bugzilla? :-)09:51
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maswan@ERROR: max connections (25) reached - try again later09:54
makocan someone give me some advice on the wiki question above?09:54
maswanor is it the other one?09:55
mdzmako: ?10:00
justdavemdz: funny you should ask... mozilla.org wants that, too. :)10:00
maswanor another ftpmaster, does archive.ubuntu.com limit to 25 rsync connections for the public modules, and if so can I as a mirror admin get access to a non-public, unlimited version?10:00
justdaveGerv was working on it, last I heard, but he's gone to Asia for a month as of yesterday10:01
lamontelmo: how often do the lene outputs run?10:04
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makomdz: i am going to start and then advertise a wiki page for non-canonical people that want to come to the conference.. where should i put it?10:18
jdubelmo, mdz: actually, i didn't tighten the list down10:19
jdubbecause all the mails are posted as the uploader10:19
jdubmakes it hard10:19
jdubKamion: heh10:20
pitti_mdz: back; re libarchive-zip-perl: the patch is from upstream and looks reasonable; however, I do not really consider a potential fooling of virus scanners as truly critical10:22
pitti_mdz: that's why I'm unsure whether to upload it10:22
pitti_mdz: there are probably a million ways to hide viruses from scanners anyway10:22
pitti_mdz: I think it's safe to upload, though10:23
seb128jdub: do we want hoary really usuable or that's a really a devel tree ? The new metacity (2.9.0) has switched the focus stealing prevention on again, but since some apps are still bugged that's a bit annoying to use ...10:24
=== lamont giggles as he notices things accidentally get fixed in warty. :-(
seb128arg, can't build yelp10:26
dokomdz, pitti: For debian unstable I need the patch for mailscanner, that's why I noticed it. libarchive-zip-perl is in main, so I prepared the patch for warty. do we want to have something like volatile?10:26
seb128some GNOME stuff use libgcrypt7-dev, libxslt1-dev wants libgcrypt11-dev10:26
seb128time to transition to gnutls11 I guess10:27
pittidoko, mdz: if warty-updates would work, I would prefer putting the package there10:28
pittidoko: I do not feel that this is really critical for warty, that's why I still hesitate to upload it10:28
pittidoko: BTW, is it already fixed in Hoary?10:28
dokopitti: agreed, even gentoo marked it as low urgency10:29
dokoyes, hoary has 1.1410:29
lamontseb128: transition to gcrypt11 is on my list if you don't get there first...  (or was that gnutls11...?)10:30
seb128both gnutls/gcrypt10:31
lamontseb128: heh. that was it, then. :-)10:31
jdubseb128: we're dogfooding!10:32
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lamontjdub: you are? really? wow!10:35
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jdubthat's what it's all about!10:37
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lamontjdub: I thought that was the hokey-pokey10:37
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mdzseb128: I still got file overlaps with the latest packages10:46
seb128hum, I've updated all the Replaces and it installed fine here10:46
seb128let me check10:47
jdubwith the evo packages?10:47
=== lamont gets asked if openafs-* can make it into main for hoary.
jdubi had some problems too10:47
jdubapt-get -f install worked though10:47
jdublamont: eeek10:47
lamontmdz: can't remember if openafs makes baby jesus cry or not.10:47
mdzjdub: "worked"10:48
seb128jdub: yes, this was with the debian version, should be fixed with the new upload ...10:48
mdzlamont: yes10:48
mdzlamont: it doesn't even work with 2.6 yet10:48
seb128mdz: which packages/files conflicts ?10:48
mdzseb128: sent you email10:48
jdublamont: head spinning, green goo flying, etc.10:48
mdzseb128: libedataserver3 has conflicts/replaces e-d-s << 1.010:48
lamontmdz: fixed upstream in 1.3.3710:48
mdzseb128: but it conflicts with later versions than that still10:49
seb128mdz: I've updated the conflicts to 1.0.2, 1.0.0 was good for debian but we splitted later10:49
mdzhm, maybe it isn't built yet10:50
mdzbut that was hours ago, wasn't it?10:50
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mdzthe version being unpacked was 1.0.2-2ubuntu210:50
seb128about 15min after you pinged me with the conflict10:50
seb128that's the fixed one10:51
mdzmizar:[~]  apt-cache show libedataserver3 | grep-dctrl -sVersion,Replaces,Conflicts ''10:51
mdzVersion: 1.0.2-2ubuntu210:51
mdzReplaces: evolution-data-server (<< 1.0.0)10:51
mdzConflicts: evolution-data-server (<< 1.0.0)10:51
mdzlooks exactly the same as the previous version10:51
seb128Conflicts: evolution-data-server (<< 1.0.2-1)10:51
seb128Replaces: evolution-data-server (<< 1.0.2-1)10:51
seb128in my debian/control10:51
mdzseb128: what version?10:51
mdzI thought 1.0.2-2ubuntu2 was the fixed one10:51
mdzaccording to the changelog10:51
seb128should be, I'm updating10:52
mdzseb128: control.in has 1.0.2, but control has 1.0.010:53
seb128mdz: oups, -2ubuntu3 on its way ...10:54
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seb128ok, eds doesn't update the control during the clean target, that's why ...10:56
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mdzjdub: did you fix the problem with the calendar package where the entries aren't added to the list of backgrounds?11:00
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jdubmdz: that only seemed to happen for you11:01
jdubmdz: perhaps killing nautilus would help11:02
mdzI find that very hard to believe11:02
mdzjdub: I have logged out and logged back in11:02
jdubwho else has upgraded to -calendar-november?11:02
mdzI think this is the same breakage that scott and I kept running into when messing with the backgorund stuff11:02
mdzsometimes it just decides not to update ~/.gnome2/backgrounds.xml11:02
jdubmdz: that'll be out of scope for u-c releases then11:03
mdzjdub: it's in scope for hoary11:03
jdubhrm, i should do hoary releases of those, too11:03
srbaker_anyone here done any packaging of mono apps?11:04
mdzsrbaker: tseng11:05
srbaker_tseng, around?11:05
pittimdz: can you please review #3131 (patch and advisory text)? TIA11:05
srbaker_mdz, apparently mono apps like to install in /usr/lib/<prog> and they're supposed to go in /usr/share/dotnet/<prog>/11:05
jdubmdz: probably best to file a bug and provide a strace or something; i'm not going to be able to fix it11:05
mdzpitti: how is $TMPLIB generated?11:06
pittimdz: the usual insanity with $$11:07
mdzpitti: ok, as long as it isn't static, otherwise it's an easy DoS11:07
mdzpitti: patch looks fine11:07
pittimdz: but since it is a directory, checking that mkdir is successful should be safe11:07
pittimdz: I thought about using mktemp -d, but it is not portable11:07
mdzpitti: on the text, s/allowed/could allow/11:07
pittimdz: otherwise okay?11:10
mdzpitti: yes11:10
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seb128for what ? :)11:31
jdubhoary uploads :)11:31
jdubshould i work on a few 2.9 upgrades while you're asleep?11:32
jdublooks like evo's on its way in atm11:32
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seb128if you want, but I can manage them tomorrow11:32
seb128I just don't want to break evo before going to sleep so I'm doing them tonight11:33
seb128s/I'm doing/I'm *not* doing/11:33
seb128BTW yelp has been accepted but gnome-doc-utils is probably stucked in NEW11:34
seb128elmo: ? :)11:34
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jdubelmo, mdz: would it be better to sync u-c uploads from warty-updates to hoary, or upload new ones?11:37
seb128jdub: so we really want metacity 2.9.0 ? :)11:37
seb128I've it ready to upload, but I fear some people will not be happy, little focus problems are very annoying sometime :)11:39
jdubseb128: sooner people use it, the sooner it'll get fixed :)11:39
seb128GO GO GO11:39
seb128I don't fear the bug reports :)11:39
jdubwe'll just mark them all UPSTREAM ;)11:39
seb128ah ah, true :p11:40
seb128BTW do you have this gstreamer crash ?11:40
seb128supposed to be ubuntu specific, but no problem here and the packages have no significant changes ...11:41
jdubseb128: haven't seen it :|11:43
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seb128that's not really and evo is out11:48
seb128let's go with the evo stack NOW11:48
seb128I'll sleep a bit later tomorrow :p11:48
seb128(doh, today was a supposed to be not working day here :p)11:48
carlosseb128: that's the problem with us, we are too work addicts :-P11:50
seb128carlos: to be honest I can't wait to get all the cool stuff in 2.9 :)11:50
jdubme too :-)11:51
carlosseb128: are there so many changes with 2.9.1?11:51
seb128a bunch of good ones yes11:51
seb128the new mountapplet in GNOME applets11:51
seb128metacity as focus stealing prevention back11:52
jdubgtk+ 2.511:52
seb128that too11:52
seb128I like the extensions chooser in epiphany too :)11:52
seb128you can turn on/off the extensions you want to use in the UI11:52
carlosjdub: when is the GNOME feature freeze?11:53
jdubcarlos: jan 10th11:53
jdubperfect timing for the ubuntu conference ;)11:53
carlosso hoary will have the freeze before GNOME?11:53
jdubhoary will have upstream version freeze, yeah11:54
jdubbut that's independent of GNOME in hoary11:54
carlosyes, I know, I was talking about "global system freeze"11:54
mdzseb128: don't worry about breaking evo; it seems broken already (for new users) ;-)11:55
seb128mdz: oh yes, I've some mails about evo freezing but no idea of the problem for the moment 11:56
mdzseb128: I am able to reproduce it easily here11:56
mdzit spins11:56
jdubcarlos: our UpstreamVersionFreeze is before GNOME's feature freeze (but doesn't effect GNOME), our FeatureFreeze is one month after GNOME's11:57
seb128I'll work on this tomorrow so (if 2.1.0 doesn't fix that)11:57
jdubmdz: good solution from Niall Sheridan re: ipv611:59

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