[12:00] <HWolf> [Pheadrus]  The issue is, I've got a working kernel, not sure about hardware acceleration yet, but it works. I don't bet on my custom kernel to do that.
[12:00] <topyli> LETS MAKE Z
[12:00] <nine99> whell, i do not have ubuntu installed :)
[12:00] <lamont> what's a good package for managing an address list (with categories), printing labels, etc.
[12:00] <lamont> ?
[12:00] <mirak> oh.....
[12:00] <mdz> nine99: for which architecture?
[12:00] <nine99> i386
[12:00] <dredg> or to phrase it differently, whats so bad about X?
[12:00] <nine99> what's the url of the repository ?
[12:00] <topyli> lamont: i'd use note for console or quicklist for X
[12:01] <spacey`ki> http://www.y-windows.org/
[12:01] <spacey`ki> topyli,
[12:01] <topyli> lamont: no, those won't do
[12:01] <mirak> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[12:01] <mirak> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[12:01] <mirak> nine99, those are for you
[12:01] <nine99> thanks dudes
[12:01] <mdz> nine99: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.bz2
[12:01] <nine99> :)
[12:02] <mirak> nine99, there is also a universe and a multiverse that i dont have the url for atm
[12:02] <topyli> spacey`ki: oh, so you can do a graphics server as a masters project? this guy is something
[12:02] <nine99> many thanks again
[12:02] <robertj> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticTutorial/
[12:03] <spacey`ki> topyli, hehe you see it a lot opensource master project
[12:03] <nine99> it can be useful to evaluta a future installation
[12:03] <robertj> what do you guys think of that?
[12:03] <topyli> spacey`ki: a quick look says it looks pretty cool
[12:03] <mdz> nine99: Ubuntu has many thousands of packages.  if there is something in particular that you are interested in, ask; otherwise, it is a lot of information to browse through
[12:03] <topyli> spacey`ki: linux did his masters years after he wrote linux :)
[12:03] <topyli> s/linux/linus
[12:04] <nine99> well, i home in the future ubuntu can converge to sid more and more, for what i see now there can be problems to mix debian's and ubuntu sources
[12:04] <mdz> nine99: the highlights in the warty release included gnome 2.8, evolution 2.0, openoffice.org 1.1.2 and firefox 0.9
[12:04] <ogra> robertj: nice one
[12:04] <nine99> s/home/hope/
[12:04] <robertj> is there a way to create a default view where all images are displayed by default?
[12:04] <nictuku> I know the channel is -t, but can I suggest adding localized ubuntu channels to the topic?
[12:05] <nightmaresc> anyone have time to help me get my external drive working?
[12:05] <nine99> or maybe sid will converge to ubuntu :))
[12:05] <nine99> goodbye all, have a nice time
[12:05] <edulix> hello !
[12:05] <Hikaru79> Hmm, can someone help me with setting up an HP Laserjet 4P printer on a Windows network using Ubuntu? I can see the network just fine (the shared folders on the Windows computers, etc) but I'm having some problems recognizing the printer
[12:05] <topyli> nine99: you should turn to debian unstable only at moments of desperation. and even then, get the sources and build on ubuntu
[12:05] <edulix> I've just installed ubuntu :)
[12:05] <kapputu> hi Hiky
[12:05] <mdz> nine99: ubuntu contains everything that Debian unstable has
[12:05] <Hikaru79> Hey, kapputu :)
[12:05] <Hikaru79> Can you help me out? =/
[12:05] <[Phaedrus] > Hikaru79: do you have the printer shared?
[12:06] <kapputu> I can try but you can get better help here
[12:06] <ogra> robertj: hmm, but why should i delete all repos ?
[12:06] <Hikaru79> I believe so. It worked in Windows before
[12:06] <Hikaru79> How can I check, Phaedrus
[12:06] <Hikaru79> ?
[12:06] <HWolf> dedg What's bad about X is that it's difficult to set up, and not very fast.
[12:06] <robertj> ogra: because if you unquestionably delete your repositories you don't need src?
[12:06] <nine99> ok, now i'm very happy with debian unstable, newer installations will be "ubuntued"
[12:06] <mdz> HWolf: compared to what?
[12:06] <Hikaru79> I have physical access to the printer and computer by the way. It's just a home network :)
[12:06] <nightmaresc> Can anyone help with a "nobiospnp" error?
[12:06] <topyli> mdz: is that true nowadays?
[12:06] <robertj> also cdrom sources make ubuntu barf
[12:06] <edulix> how can I configure my dell inspiron 4150 sound card?
[12:07] <ogra> robertj: cdrom is a nice fallback if you want software from main and got no net access
[12:07] <edulix> it's a 82801CA/CAM AC'07 Audio Controller, or at least that's what the DEvice Manager praises :)
[12:07] <robertj> ogra: it makes synaptic barf though
[12:07] <[Phaedrus] > somebody needs to write a kernel compilation tutorial for ubuntu...
[12:07] <mdz> edulix: it wasn't automatically set up for you?
[12:08] <robertj> what's on the cd but not installed by default anyway?
[12:08] <mdz> robertj: a few common non-default packages, and a few packages which are sometimes needed in order to get connected to a network
[12:08] <nightmaresc> Anyone heard of 'nobiospnp' error?
[12:08] <ogra> robertj: thunderbird for example
[12:08] <edulix> mdz: well, yeah:
[12:09] <nightmaresc> I think it's stopping me from using usb devices
[12:09] <topyli> i just realized i have to sleep, it will be morning soon
[12:09] <edulix> mdz: but I cannot set the volume control to more than 0% :P
[12:09] <unitd> one questino
[12:09] <mdz> edulix: what happens when you try?
[12:09] <edulix> (I'm trying to do that with the panel volume control)
[12:09] <unitd> when i make a selection box on desktop, my cpu load spikes
[12:10] <robertj> mdz: hrmm
[12:10] <unitd> anyone know why
[12:10] <mdz> robertj: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogShipSeed
[12:10] <edulix> mdz: I pick in the volume control, and as I see that the volume is down (-), I move it up (+), but then the volume control goes automagically down
[12:11] <robertj> mdz: what do you think about removing all the commented out entries from /etc/apt/sources.list so they wont' be picked up by Synaptic?
[12:11] <mdz> robertj: to what end?
[12:11] <robertj> it's a bit odd having entries that are identical except for the section
[12:11] <mdz> edulix: are you comfortable with trying a few things on the command line?
[12:11] <ogra> mdz: were talking about this one: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticTutorial/004.jpg/view
[12:11] <edulix> mdz: yeah ;)
[12:12] <mdz> robertj: I think that's a problem with synaptic's repository UI, which should be fixed there rather than removing the entries
[12:12] <robertj> maybe Synaptic could be set to ignore anything double commented and show single #'s as disabled
[12:12] <robertj> mdz: perhaps
[12:12] <nightmaresc> anyone know anything about a 'nobiospnp' error and/or ubuntu not finding my external drive
[12:12] <robertj> it would be really nice if it showed everything with a nice description
[12:12] <edulix> mdz: you mean uysing alsamixer or something like that ?
[12:12] <mdz> edulix: run "aplay -l" and see how many devices there arae
[12:12] <mdz> are
[12:12] <robertj> click "Official Ubuntu Packages" select "Non-US Software"
[12:12] <mirak> how to enable multiverse.....wiki search didnt find it?
[12:13] <mdz> robertj: right
[12:13] <mdz> that's something we'll likely do
[12:13] <edulix> aplay: device_list:199: no soundcards found...
[12:13] <ogra> mirak: add it behind universe in synaptic
[12:13] <edulix> but there are some sound modules loaded
[12:13] <mdz> edulix: oh?  which ones?
[12:13] <tmartin> happy halloween!
[12:13] <mirak> ogra, remember im still noob ?????
[12:13] <mirak> ogra, little more plz?
[12:13] <ogra> mirak: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticTutorial/004.jpg/view
[12:13] <edulix> (lsmod show things like snd_ac97_codec         59268  2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0)
[12:14] <robertj> I have mixed feelings about Synaptic
[12:14] <ogra> mirak: just the shot
[12:14] <robertj> part of me thinks that it will never be ready for end users unless another tag is introduced
[12:14] <robertj> there is just so much software that your average mom and pop just don't grok
[12:14] <ogra> robertj: there is something new on the way ;)
[12:14] <mirak> ogra, bot: thnx....i saaume just copy the universe then add "multiverse" at the end of it
[12:14] <robertj> ogra: gut ;)
[12:15] <mirak> assume*
[12:15] <ogra> mirak make it look like the shot....
[12:15] <robertj> mirak: which is very good except for the fact that the entries look the same in synatpic unless you click on it
[12:15] <edulix> what do you think about this mdz ? :)
[12:16] <nightmaresc> anyone know anything about a 'nobiospnp' error and/or ubuntu not finding my external drive?  nothing seems to work
[12:16] <mirak> ogra, yes.....thnx
[12:16] <HWolf> How can I kill and restart X?
[12:16] <robertj> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticTutorial/
[12:16] <robertj> just go through those and click the links one step at a time
[12:16] <mirak> robertj, that i am aware of....i just needed the url.....but its the same as universe
[12:16] <Matt|> hey something just occurred to me. Why doesn't gnome have a right click option to dock windows in the systray, like icewm has????
[12:16] <Matt|> it would be v useful
[12:17] <mdz> edulix: you installed the 4.10 final release?
[12:17] <synapse> because it doesnt?.... :P
[12:17] <edulix> uh, I really don't know what version I am using, how can I check it ?
[12:18] <ogra> HWolf: logout, hit ctrl-alt-f1, login and type: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[12:18] <desp> hello
[12:18] <edulix> mdz: I'm using the version everyone uses in the spanish hackandalus 2004 :P
[12:18] <mdz> edulix: I was not there, so I don't know whether you got a final release CD or a pre-release snapshot
[12:18] <HWolf> Hm, awesome. :-)
[12:18] <mdz> edulix: what did it say on the CD?
[12:19] <desp> I just installed Ubuntu (Warty Warthog) on an OldWorld PowerMac 7300, and I can't boot from my new ext3 partition
[12:19] <desp> I get a kernel panic at startup, because VFS is unable to find the root device
[12:19] <edulix> mdz: "Ubuntu" nothing more hehe
[12:19] <kasey70> hi
[12:19] <edulix> ah, it's Warty Warthog!
[12:19] <mdz> desp: are you sure it's OldWorld?  I'm surprised it got that far
[12:19] <tmartin> how come i cant open .url files in ubuntu
[12:19] <mdz> OldWorld is not supported
[12:20] <edulix> if that's an exact version, I do n't know..
[12:20] <mdz> edulix: that's the name of the branch
[12:20] <ogra> edulix: verify your kernel version (uname -a)
[12:20] <mdz> edulix: laptop or desktop?
[12:20] <mirak> ogra, robertj, thnx...:)......got it
[12:20] <edulix> latop
[12:20] <edulix> laptop
[12:20] <edulix> Linux ubuntu-edulix 2.6.8.1-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:20] <Hikaru79> When I try to pring to a shared windows printer, I'm getting: Printing: Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds...foomatic-rip version $Revision: 3.43.2.5 $ running...
[12:20] <kasey70> someone has a problem with mplayer ? a message says ilegall instruction to run mplayer
[12:21] <robertj> btw, if any of yall ever don't have enough to do and need to add features to Gnome, please unbreak the places menu
[12:21] <desp> mdz: yes, I am sure it's OldWorld. it's not really hard to use BootX, you know
[12:21] <kasey70> there is a .deb for amd processors ?
[12:21] <ogra> edulix: seems ok
[12:21] <gro> mdz & edulix: fyi - i had the same probs with a latitude c610 -> the kernel options acpi_irq_isa=7 and nolapic solved the soundcard problem
[12:21] <tmartin> where can i find the MIME type setting for gnome?
[12:22] <desp> mdz: the only thing you need to do to boot on OldWorld is to use BootX, copy the initrd.gz & vmlinux files into some Mac OS partition, and you're set
[12:22] <tmartin> im trying to set up x-mswinurl to open automatically in firefix
[12:22] <desp> so the installation went fine, but when I'm supposed to boot from /dev/sda2, the kernel panics
[12:22] <HWolf> There is quite a funny bug in glxgears. If you run it and hover mouse over the close button, they start spinning like mad. As if to show they're working hard, and not getting closed.
[12:22] <mdz> desp: OldWorld is not supported by Warty
[12:22] <edulix> gro: then I'll try it. BTW, ubuntu was evil and deleted my grub configuration, I just wanted it to add a new entry in the cool graphical suse's grub menu :P
[12:22] <desp> mdz: do you have anything else to say besides "not supported"?
[12:23] <[Phaedrus] > kasey70: x86 versions should work fine
[12:23] <mdz> desp: nope, sorry.  I don't have any OldWorld systems
[12:23] <[Phaedrus] > unless you are talking about athlon 64
[12:23] <ogra> desp: if he says it, its fact....
[12:23] <mirak> hwolf, they dont work any harder for me.....thay always fly
[12:23] <mdz> desp: and we didn't test on them
[12:23] <desp> okay
[12:23] <edulix> how can I restore it ?
[12:23] <mdz> edulix: yeah, if it's a laptop, it could very well be the same bug
[12:24] <mdz> edulix: a number of Dell systems seem to have a BIOS which causes this
[12:24] <kasey70> [Phaedrus] : amd-sempron, mplayer gives a message about a illegal ordre
[12:24] <desp> well, I managed to find a description of the exact same problem on some 2.6 kernels, and the fix is to specify the root device using the major/minor numbers
[12:24] <mdz> edulix: here's the bug: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1254
[12:24] <HWolf> midrak. I'm running 1600x1200 on a 9200SE, doesn't go fast. :-)
[12:25] <mirak> hwolf, ahhh....radeon 7000 1024x768....4k fps
[12:25] <desp> mdz: the problem is described in detail at http://www.linuxforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=71998&st=15
[12:25] <JanneM> tmartin: not sure
[12:25] <the_tux> hi all.....i am new to apt-get and in my home i have hcfpcimodem.....deb  and i would like to know how can i install it from my home ? and i would like to know to how can i install kernel source ?
[12:25] <Matt|> so is selinux in hoary?
[12:26] <desp> the gist of it is that specifying "root=0802", where 8 is the SCSI major and 2 is the partition number,  ought to fix it. still, it doesn't.
[12:26] <Matt|> damn lag
[12:26] <mdz> desp: is the right module even being loaded to recognize your SCSI controller?
[12:27] <desp> mdz: I assume that it is being loaded, since I managed to format that SCSI disk using the Ubuntu installer while booted from the CD
[12:27] <desp> using the exact same kernel
[12:28] <mdz> desp: same kernel, but which initrd?
[12:28] <desp> ah, hm.
[12:28] <mdz> the installed system uses an initrd generated during the install
[12:28] <desp> where does that generated initrd go?
[12:29] <desp> this must be the problem
[12:30] <edulix> mdz: thanks for the info. I'm going to reboot. BTW, I've restored the suse's grub ;)
[12:30] <gro> the_tux: dpkg -i name.deb
[12:30] <the_tux> gro, thanks so much
[12:31] <gro> edulix: success
[12:31] <shoka> Hi all, just a thankyou to the team, this is from a new install of warty on a dual athon workstation
[12:32] <edulix> gro: btw, what does nolapic do ?
[12:32] <desp> on an unrelated note -- does anyone know a keyboard mapping that has the tilde key (`~) between left-shift and Z?
[12:33] <desp> mdz: let me rephrase -- where can I find that initrd that is generated during the install?
[12:33] <edulix> desp: not me. I have that either using alt-1-2-6 or alt-
[12:33] <ogra> dasp: in /boot on your scsi disk
[12:33] <ogra> desp
[12:33] <desp> ogra: ah, thanks
[12:34] <JanneM> tmartin: select a file of the type in nautilus, choose to see details about the file, then there is a tab where you can edit mime info for that kind of file'
[12:34] <edulix> brb
[12:34] <tmartin> you mean the open with tab?
[12:35] <mirak> ``~
[12:35] <desp> ogra: and what if I only have three partitions -- a partition map, root, and swap?
[12:35] <mirak> desp, this key ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~.......usa has that
[12:35] <Matt|> so is selinux in hoary?
[12:36] <ogra> desp: in root...
[12:46] <desp> mirak: but isn't the ~ key next in the first row, next to the numbers, on US keyboards?
[12:46] <ogra> desp: but as you can't accress it you wont get to /boot .... probably from the install cd, with alt-f2 you can reach a console
[12:46] <ogra> desp: and mount the partition
[12:46] <edulix> it worked ! :)
[12:46] <edulix> now I'd like to install muine :P
[12:46] <HWolf> Damn, something broke tvtime
[12:46] <desp> ogra: ahh. I found it
[12:46] <gro> edulix: for a quick nolapic explanation: http://portal.suse.com/sdb/en/2002/10/81_acpi.html
[12:46] <stuNNed> is there a way to tell what damons are running that exist in /etc/init.d ?
[12:46] <desp> thanks
[12:46] <Matt|> stuNNed, not sure if there is a better way, but you could try "ps ax"
[12:46] <desp> mdz: thanks for the help, and sorry for being so harsh before
[12:46] <edulix> "Activates the local APIC system even if it is disabled in the BIOS." thanks for the info ;)
[12:46] <kapputu> hi stuNNed
[12:46] <LinuxJones> stuNNed, netstat -tap or lsof -i
[12:46] <gro> edulix: no: nolapic : Disables the local APIC system even if it is activated in the BIOS. ;)
[12:46] <kapputu> Matt|: how do I make a Perl script run at boot ?
[12:46] <mirak> desp, yes it is the key right before "1"
[12:46] <stuNNed> hiyas kapputu
[12:46] <Matt|> kapputu, not a clue. I am flattered that you asked me the question, but i am rubbish at linux
[12:46] <desp> mirak: I was asking about a keymap that has the tilde on the key between the left-shift and the Z key
[12:46] <kapputu> someone told me that I had to copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/script.pl
[12:46] <kapputu> LinuxJones: can you help ?
[12:46] <sherpa> anyone got ndiswrapper to work in ubuntu
[12:46] <desp> mirak: that's how it is on european keyboards
[12:46] <Matt|> kapputu, yeah maybe make a link
[12:46] <mirak> desp, sorry......must have missed that bit
[12:46] <Matt|> ln -s
[12:46] <desp> mirak: np
[12:46] <kapputu> no I have to edit the file
[12:46] <kapputu> but I need to know what to change
[12:46] <shoka> is here a grub config file somewhere, equiv of grub.conf?
[12:46] <shoka> cd /etc
[12:46] <stuNNed> shoka, /boot/menu.lst i think
[12:46] <sherpa> i tried to install ndiswrapper but it said u needed the kernel source
[12:46] <shoka> ta
[12:46] <stuNNed> shoka, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:46] <kapputu> sudo apt-get install linux-source-`uname -r`
[12:46] <kapputu> hi poyayan
[12:46] <poyayan> what's the /usr/share/alien folder for?
[12:46] <poyayan> yo kapputu
[12:46] <LinuxJones> kapput help with starting a script @ boot time ?
[12:46] <kapputu> yes LinuxJones
[12:46] <sherpa> kapputu, what that sudo apt-get install linux-source-`uname -r` for me? if so will it work w/o internet cause i dont have the internet in there
[12:46] <LinuxJones> kapput, have a look here >> http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3306
[12:46] <kapputu> poyayan: I think alien is for using rpms
[12:46] <poyayan> uh ok
[12:46] <kapputu> sherpa, I guess it would be included in the cd-rom
[12:46] <kapputu> try just in case
[12:46] <sherpa> kapputu, ty
[12:46] <Matt|> so is selinux in hoary?
[12:46] <Delgul> Hi! I just installed Ubuntu, but whenever I try to execute someting with root permissions as a normal user (like add printer using root password) the applications seem to exit with status 1. Is this a known problem?
[12:46] <ogra> Delgul: wron password
[12:46] <LinuxJones> Delgul, enter your user password
[12:46] <ogra> g
[12:46] <Matt|> Delgul, what are you using as password?
[12:47] <Matt|> aha
[12:48] <kapputu> Matt|: why would you need his password ?
[12:48] <Matt|> lol
[12:48] <kapputu> ;-)
[12:48] <Matt|> >_> <_<
[12:48] <Delgul> hah... Jeez Matt...
[12:48] <Matt|> no reason...
[12:48] <Matt|> *cough*
[12:48] <neuro_> other than world domination
[12:48] <neuro_> muhahaha
[12:48] <poyayan> anyone know why totem-xine and gstreamer-0.8mad were removed from marillat?
[12:48] <kapputu> Delgul: do you have remote desktop enabled ?
[12:48] <Matt|> LOL
[12:48] <SuperQ> Delgul: ubuntu disables root password by default, in favor of using sudo (user password) to access root privilegs
[12:48] <ogra> poyayan: have they erver been there ?
[12:48] <SuperQ> Delgul: similar to MacOS
[12:48] <poyayan> well totem-xine was for sure
[12:48] <poyayan> I don't know about gstreamer-0.8mad
[12:49] <ogra> poyayan: you should use the ubuntu one....
[12:49] <robertj> ogra: does places not strike you as something that is extremely broken?
[12:49] <Delgul> SuperQ: Well I configured a root password and gnome-cups-manager asks for it btw when adding a printer. It refers to the root account...
[12:49] <ogra> robertj: places ?
[12:50] <poyayan> well if you want to play divx or mp3 you need those
[12:50] <kapputu> I want to use a Mac once
[12:50] <kapputu> anyone want to lend me one for a few days ?
[12:50] <robertj> On Nautilus
[12:50] <SuperQ> Delgul: yea.. that's a minor mistake in UI
[12:50] <SuperQ> Delgul: you use sudo password
[12:50] <mirak> kapputu, dont do it.....youll be hooked
[12:50] <ogra> Delgul: look here: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:50] <SuperQ> Delgul: someone should probably file a bug report to ask for sudo password instead of root password
[12:50] <kapputu> I'm already hooked to ubuntu
[12:50] <Delgul> SuperQ: thanks
[12:51] <kapputu> could I get worse ?
[12:51] <mirak> kapptut, i mean macs
[12:51] <ogra> SuperQ: it actually asks for "your password"
[12:51] <mirak> kapptutu, i mean macs
[12:51] <kapputu> in what way would I be hooked ?
[12:51] <robertj> Being a Mac user will make you into an angry person
[12:51] <robertj> stay away!
[12:51] <kapputu> lol robertj
[12:54] <kapputu> why ?
[12:54] <mirak> they cost too much
[12:54] <mirak> lol
[12:54] <kapputu> gnumeric, OO Spreadsheet, which is better
[12:54] <jdub> kapputu: technically, gnumeric.
[12:54] <robertj> You want to take the finder and put it on XP or Linux and then torture the rest
[12:54] <robertj> ogra: See what I mean?
[12:54] <kapputu> what's finder ?
[12:54] <robertj> like Nautilus sort of
[12:54] <robertj> except its useful
[12:54] <mirak> its nice :)
[12:54] <netmonk> does anyone know how can I stop the animation when I open or minimize windows?
[12:54] <HWolf> robertj, are you familiar with tvtuner? It is suddenly quitting on me, and I have no clue why.
[12:54] <robertj> HWolf: sorry, no clue on that one
[12:54] <robertj> try tvtime
[12:54] <ogra> robertj: you mean amrillat ?
[12:54] <ogra> ma
[12:54] <mirak> kapputu, cherryOS is out soon.....you can get the demo...and install macOS on your pc...try it out that way
[12:54] <ogra> etc
[12:54] <desp> bah, cherryOS is a scam
[12:54] <cardador> kapputu: gnumeric
[12:54] <robertj> ogra: ?
[12:54] <mirak> err...waht about pearOS then
[12:54] <robertj> Foreign language?
[12:54] <desp> the guy admitted to having used PearPC code in CherryOS
[12:54] <ogra> robertj: think i lost you somewhere
[12:54] <desp> and PearPC is nowhere near being usable
[12:54] <mirak> desp, and.....as ong as it works...and is fast(er)
[01:00] <robertj> ogra: okay, from the top. Does the Places menu in Nautilus not seem horribly broken?
[01:00] <Kirsch> is there a way to get network to work with PearPC?
[01:00] <SuperQ> orga: hrm.
[01:00] <Kirsch> (from lInux)?
[01:00] <SuperQ> orga: you're correct..
[01:00] <kapputu> are Macs generally used for graphics and stuff ?
[01:00] <mirak> kirsch, i dont think so........but cherryos will give you full support
[01:00] <Delgul> SuperQ: It works fine now, even when authenticating over NIS ;-)
[01:00] <desp> mirak: well, after he admitted having used a GPL project's source in a closed-source program, he said he removed all traces of it
[01:00] <SuperQ> Delgul: good
[01:00] <stuNNed> Matt|, LinuxJones: apparantly whatever runlevel you're in then the corresponding /etc/rc?.d, whatever is listed there is running
[01:00] <mirak> kapputu, generally.....but only because they architecture makes them awesome at it
[01:00] <ogra> robertj: not really broken....but it could be better.... want to change it ?
[01:00] <Delgul> While I am at it...anyone know how to get firefox working with the cups printers?
[01:00] <ogra> robertj: oh, and computer should be "disks"
[01:00] <robertj> It points you to Home, Computer (which should not be needed), Templates (which is always empty), and CD creator which is not a "place" in most people's mind
[01:00] <LinuxJones> stuNNed, yes by default Ubuntu/Debian run in runlevel 2
[01:00] <mirak> deap, i see your point
[01:00] <Matt|> stuNNed, yes and also rcS.d
[01:00] <b_e_n_z> Delgul, http://localhost:631 if you are using cups
[01:00] <kapputu> so for a laptop and a Mac at the same price, why would I want to buy a Mac ?
[01:00] <mirak> desp, i see your point
[01:00] <desp> kapputu: because a Mac Just Works(tm)
[01:00] <robertj> ogra: sure, pay me a living wage and support me for a month or so while I get up to speed on c, makefiles, and gtk, and I'd love too ;)
[01:00] <ogra> b_e_n_z: its disabled...
[01:00] <mirak> kapputu, it all just depends on your needs, and budget.....mac hardware imo is better
 Yes, thats how I configure them. I mean when I print in Firefox I want to see thenm in the options list for the printers...
[01:00] <desp> kapputu: that's basically the only thing. if you actually enjoy things like compiling the kernel to kill the time, then a Mac is not for you
[01:00] <ogra> robertj: if i make as much money as mark, i'll do ;)
[01:00] <tmartin> is there anyway i can play flash on my amd-64? :(
[01:01] <robertj> ogra: I'm a Mac admin so I'm full of pent-up UI frusteration, for both Gnome and OS X
[01:01] <nictuku> is it planned to make ubuntu "core" site and wiki easier to translate? It would be just a matter of making a tool checking versions and changes in the pages
[01:01] <tmartin> is the 64bit version of ubuntu all in 64
[01:01] <tmartin> is there anyway to run apps for 32bit processors
[01:01] <b_e_n_z> does ubuntu have worldwide mirrors?  during the install it goes to www.ubuntu.com and it is quite slow from here...
[01:01] <tmartin> id like to be able to use flash in firefox...
[01:01] <ogra> robertj: so you should switch to xserve... no need for a gui ;)
[01:01] <robertj> ogra: haha, I wish
[01:04] <robertj> My org can't afford $5 for media
[01:04] <robertj> Our webserver is a Blue and White G3
[01:04] <Nafallo> hi all! if debian has a firefox translation in a lang and ubuntu hasn't, should I then file a bug against firefox?
[01:04] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[01:04] <JoeB> speaking of PPC and 64-bit architecture, will the PPC distro run on the G5?
[01:04] <ogra> robertj: so ubuntu custom makes a good install for them..
[01:04] <robertj> ogra: it actually does
[01:04] <Nafallo> HrdwrBoB: that yes was destinatinated for me? :-)
[01:04] <HrdwrBoB> Nafallo: yes :)
[01:04] <robertj> I'm putting off an upgrade to a G4 for when php5 comes stock
[01:04] <robertj> no particular impetus to make the move now
[01:04] <kapputu> hi Nafallo
[01:04] <Nafallo> HrdwrBoB: kewl :-). *switches desktop to the firefoxie one :-)*
[01:04] <robertj> hey, when I came in I tossed out 4 machines from the office that have, total, less mhz between them than my wireless router
[01:04] <Nafallo> kapputu: hi there :-)
[01:04] <desp> nils: so, I just installed Ubuntu *again*
[01:04] <robertj> "Goodbye slackware, Goodbye Redhat 5"
[01:04] <desp> it said I have to continue without a boot loader
[01:04] <Matt|> mdz, are you still here?
[01:04] <kapputu> gnumeric failed to install saying that an assertion in eggdesktopentries.c failed
[01:04] <kapputu> any idea ?
[01:04] <robertj> "goodbye AD server not serving anyone"
[01:07] <desp> I checked the /initrd/ directory on the target partition, and it's empty
[01:07] <desp> so did it get generated at all?
[01:07] <stuNNed> robertj, do you know if apple's os x server network install uses multicast or unicast? *offtopic*
[01:07] <robertj> stuNN: sorry, I don't. I do radmind instead of netboot
[01:07] <kapputu> is gnumeric compatible with Excel files ?
[01:07] <stuNNed> robertj, ok thanks
[01:07] <robertj> does anyone know of an easy way to create a shortcut to a folder in a network place?
[01:07] <desp> every directory located with "find / -name initrd" is empty
[01:07] <robertj> it seems like its trying to create it in a place where it doesn't have permissions and borking
[01:08] <robertj> nm, it's an unsupported operation on ftp :(
[01:08] <desp> ah, screw it. I'm going back to gentoo >(
[01:09] <robertj> http://www.arches.uga.edu/~rcaskey/whatif.jpg
[01:09] <robertj> for your viewing pleasure ;)
[01:10] <robertj> oh whee
[01:10] <robertj> it's getting butchered by the web server
[01:10] <robertj> hrmm
[01:10] <kapputu> hmm why isn't openoffice starting ??
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> .. that's whacked
[01:10] <cardador> kapputu: yes, almost flawlessly
[01:10] <kapputu> you mean flawlessly screwed ?
[01:11] <cardador> kapputu: gnumeric works very well with me
[01:11] <kapputu> it din't install
[01:11] <kapputu> got an error with eggdesktopentries.c
[01:11] <cardador> kapputu: did you use synaptic?
[01:11] <kapputu> an assertion failed I believe
[01:11] <kapputu> no
[01:11] <kapputu> apt
[01:11] <kapputu> and OO isn't starting
[01:11] <cardador> kapputu: have you tried to write gnumeric in a terminal?
[01:12] <kapputu> write gnumeric ?
[01:12] <cardador> gnumeric on a terminal
[01:12] <kapputu> the command was not found
[01:13] <cardador> kapputu: thats weird
[01:13] <kapputu> same problem with synaptic
[01:14] <kapputu> it installs though
[01:14] <kapputu> when I try to start it, it exits
[01:14] <magnon> synaptic doesn't open itself from the command line as a normal user though
[01:14] <robertj> Gnome's VFS plugins are still grossly broke
[01:15] <kapputu> ok great
[01:15] <kapputu> I can't use OO  or gnumeric
[01:15] <magnon> kapputu: error messages would be nice, I guess
[01:15] <magnon> it helps
[01:15] <cardador> kapputu: i can use both, and i have latest hoary
[01:15] <magnon> I have OO installed and working fine, warty
[01:16] <ahood> Hi all, I have a very silly question, but it will help me. What is the difference between 386 and 686? I have to decide which Ubuntu linux-image file to download, 386 or 686.
[01:16] <[Phaedrus] > what processor do you have ahood?
[01:16] <ahood> AMD XP 2200+
[01:16] <[Phaedrus] > go for 686
[01:16] <ahood> Phaedrus: Thanks!
[01:16] <[Phaedrus] > np
[01:16] <kapputu> weird
[01:17] <[Phaedrus] > ?
[01:17] <kapputu> I killed the process and started it from the command line and works
[01:17] <magnon> kapputu: openoffice?
[01:17] <[Phaedrus] > heh
[01:17] <kapputu> yeah
[01:17] <magnon> yeah, heh, it tends to do weird things like that
[01:17] <kapputu> it's damn slow
[01:18] <jdub> ahood: if you have an AMD XP, choose k7
[01:18] <kapputu> please, I don't want to go back to you-know-what
[01:18] <mirak> slow overall.....or just to load?
[01:18] <brad> what do I have to install to unrar a file?
[01:18] <cardador> brad: unrar-nonfree
[01:18] <magnon> kapputu: well, it works - it might be slow to load on a (duh) slow machine, but if you have enough physical memory available for it, it should get better
[01:18] <ahood> jdub:  This one linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-k7_2.6.8.1-16_i386.deb?
[01:18] <kapputu> it froze
[01:18] <alf> are we allowed to ask questions about hoary problems here?
[01:19] <kapputu> I guess there is a problem with the spreadsheet program
[01:19] <jdub> ahood: just apt-get install linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-k7
[01:19] <jdub> alf: yes
[01:19] <noda> Is there some kind of "status" page for Hoary somewhere?
[01:19] <jdub> no, other than the build logs
[01:19] <noda> All right then... does it have X.org yet? :P
[01:19] <Matt|> jdub, is selinux included in hoary?
[01:19] <kapputu> nope
[01:19] <jdub> oh, actually there are uninstallable status pages too
[01:19] <kapputu> it's screwed
[01:19] <jdub> noda: no
[01:19] <Matt|> noda no
[01:20] <kapputu>  it doesn't open
[01:20] <alf> ok, i'm having trouble getting cd drives detected. i can do it manually, but the automatic startup process isn't working, and i don't know what to change.
[01:20] <noda> (that's all I care about, really. Oh, that and the splash screen on bootup)
[01:20] <jdub> Matt|: not configured and so on
[01:20] <noda> Matt|, jdub, kapputu: thanks :)
[01:20] <Matt|> jdub, is the plan to have it working for the release?
[01:20] <ahood> jdub: Good suggestion, of course. However, once I install Ubuntu, I won't have internet access on account of an unsupported wireless card and I need to manually install the updated linux-image and ndiswrapper-utils.
[01:20] <alf> (and it used to work ok in warty, which is why i asked)
[01:20] <HWolf> how do I reconfigure X again?
[01:20] <jdub> Matt|: no, not too interested in selinux yet
[01:20] <magnon> alf: Expect things to break on a development tree :)
[01:20] <noda> ahood: ndiswrapper is installed by default on Warty, isn't it?
[01:21] <Matt|> jdub, ok
[01:21] <Matt|> np, just out of interest
[01:21] <alf> magnon: i know :-) i'm just trying to learn what to fix to make it work
[01:21] <magnon> alf: but you might just file a bug, and it'll get resolved I guess
[01:21] <ahood> noda: I didn't think so. At least, I don't know if it is. I have tried out the Ubuntu liveCD and I don't see it on that. Can anyone confirm if ndiswrapper is included in the full Warty release?
[01:22] <kapputu> damn it works on my laptop
[01:22] <noda> On my laptop I've got /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko
[01:22] <noda> provided with linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-686
[01:22] <robertj> oh, do we get new wallpaper tomorrow ;)
[01:22] <HWolf> According to synaptic it ndiswrapper is available.
[01:22] <Matt|> noda, me too
[01:22] <noda> Naked people?
[01:23] <mirak> ahood, synaptic search gives me ndiswrapper-utils.....but that is it
[01:23] <kapputu> wb ogra
[01:23] <magnon> those are the userspace tools for ndiswrapper, which is what is needed
[01:23] <noda> ndiswrapper is included with the kernel
[01:24] <noda> ogra: You're kidding, right? They're practically the only kind of leases that don't cost vast amounts of money
[01:24] <ahood> noda: So it is included in the full Warty release?
[01:24] <noda> ahood: I can't confirm for sure, but I think so
[01:24] <jdub> ahood: unfortunately, the live cd is somewhat out of sync with the installed system, at least wrt kernel and so on
[01:24] <ahood> noda: How do I confirm it?
[01:25] <noda> ahood: Install it :P
[01:25] <ogra> noda: but they drop me out of the net once a day :(
[01:25] <ahood> noda: hehe. Good suggestion.
[01:25] <kapputu> ogra openoffice doesnt work on my desktop
[01:25] <noda> ogra: Ick. You can edit something in /etc/dhclient (or something) to automatically get a new one, I think
[01:26] <ogra> noda: wont prevent me from my provider.....
[01:26] <TheMuso> I/me is running ipw2100-0.56
[01:26] <TheMuso> Damn fingers. :)
[01:26] <ahood> jdub: Thanks for the reply. Are all liveCD's less functional than the full versions?
[01:27] <nictuku> sorry to repeat: is it planned to make ubuntu "core" site and wiki easier to translate? Some helpers tools would be needed, for example.
[01:27] <[Phaedrus] > Folks. I hear X.org works fine for nvidia cards
[01:27] <[Phaedrus] > if you have an ATI card, stay away from it
[01:27] <magnon> [Phaedrus] : I have an ATI card which works perfectly well
[01:27] <b_e_n_z> [Phaedrus] , that is incorrect
[01:28] <b_e_n_z> [Phaedrus] , i have two ATI cards in two boxes running xorg 6.7/6.8, no problem
[01:28] <[Phaedrus] > really?
[01:28] <[Phaedrus] > well, it seems that a lot of people are having problems
[01:29] <HWolf> Hm. My ati drivers seem to have messed up tvtime. No more tv for me under linux :-S
[01:29] <Jet2k5> Hello guys
[01:29] <Jet2k5> I'm triying to help some one out with ubuntu
[01:29] <Jet2k5> and he needs the kernel source, but he has NO working internet
[01:29] <Jet2k5> how would we go about this?
[01:30] <noda> Jet2k5: Download, burn to CD...
[01:30] <noda> (unless it's on the CD...)
[01:30] <Jet2k5> I dunno
[01:30] <noda> Jet2k5: Perhaps the more important question is: WHY does he need the kernel source? :)
[01:30] <Jet2k5> nvm tho he just left
[01:30] <Jet2k5> he needs to install some niswrapper
[01:30] <noda> Jet2k5: It's installed already
[01:31] <Jet2k5> oh
[01:31] <Jet2k5> well I dunno
[01:31] <Jet2k5> nvm then
[01:31] <Jet2k5> It's some guy that needs help and I keep on telling me to step in here, but he doesn't lisen
[01:31] <noda> Jet2k5: Just start up, go to Computer -> System Configuration -> Network (I think) and play around :)
[01:31] <Jet2k5> thanks for the hel anyway
[01:31] <noda> np
[01:32] <noda> (that's what I like about Ubuntu -- people always ask about how to do very complicated stuff to get a certain goal... and it's actually damned easy)
[01:32] <LucidVisions> lol
[01:32] <LucidVisions> hehe
[01:32] <b_e_n_z> one wonders why ubuntu doesn't use xorg...
[01:32] <ahood> Thanks to everyone!
[01:33] <noda> b_e_n_z: Because it couldn't make it in for its first release. It'll be in Hoary
[01:33] <ogra> noda: the prob is to teach people that there is an easy way.....
[01:33] <noda> b_e_n_z: The awesome thing about Ubuntu is its 6-month release schedule, don't diss it :)
[01:33] <b_e_n_z> also some framebuffer splash on bootup would be nice...
[01:33] <noda> b_e_n_z: Also planned for Hoary (I think)
[01:33] <ogra> b_e_n_z: hoary
[01:33] <b_e_n_z> ha
[01:34] <noda> b_e_n_z: Check out the wiki at http://www.ubuntulinux.com/wiki to see what's pllaned.
[01:34] <noda> Erm, "planned"
[01:34] <robertj> ogra: is hoary going to be tracking debian unstable or a custom build of gnome?
[01:34] <b_e_n_z> noda, they have full-time staff working on this distro?
[01:34] <noda> b_e_n_z: Yep!
[01:34] <b_e_n_z> noda, awesome
[01:34] <[Phaedrus] > how come they don't have a release for K7s?
[01:34] <noda> robertj: Certainly not unstable, since it'll release the same day GNOME 2.10 is released (whereas unstable will still be using 2.8)
[01:35] <HWolf> [phaedrus]  because they sell a lot of athlons these days?
[01:35] <noda> b_e_n_z: Yes, Ubuntu rocketh
[01:35] <HWolf> noda, what can we expect from 2.10, do you know that?
[01:36] <noda> HWolf: I only know my little subset: epiphany extensions will have a nice UI and you'll be able to load/unload them while Epiphany is running :P
[01:36] <noda> Beyond that... dunno :P
[01:36] <robertj> hrmm, I wonder why I have sound if I run an app from a terminal but no sound if I run it from the menu
[01:36] <noda> Don't even know if Epiphany will be default (I'm guessing not, but really, if there's anything we can do to change that...)
[01:37] <noda> robertj: What app?
[01:37] <HWolf> noda, epiphany is a browser right?
[01:37] <noda> HWolf: Yep
[01:37] <robertj> any sdl app
[01:37] <HWolf> noda, don't be offended, but why is gnome developing it's own browser when there is something as smooth as mozilla to compete against?
[01:37] <noda> HWolf: Maybe there'll be audio CD burning... GNOME really needs that :)
[01:38] <robertj> I was a naughty boy and reported it as a bug but sdl is in universe ;)
[01:38] <noda> HWolf: Have you tried Epiphany? :)
[01:38] <jazzka> I'm using firefox, how can I access to mozilla composer (html editor) ??
[01:38] <noda> HWolf: It's light years ahead of Firefox in terms of usability.
[01:38] <noda> HWolf: Simple, and Just Works -- it's a GNOME browser.
[01:38] <noda> HWolf: And it fits in better with GNOME -- follows your theme better.
[01:38] <robertj> Epiphany needs to ditch its bookmarks though
[01:39] <robertj> Everyone uses bookmarks the same way
[01:39] <robertj> they bookmark stuff, then they never use it again
[01:39] <noda> They may be revamped to automatically create hierarchies.
[01:40] <HWolf> robertj, Actually I do use bookmarks, I just store every decent site I come across that interest me, so when I do forget the url, I can get back there
[01:40] <robertj> noda: I hope they steal the firefox search too
[01:40] <robertj> I'd love to see that added to the HIG
[01:40] <spiv> robertj: I actually epiphany's bookmarks, which surprised me :)
[01:40] <noda> robertj: I find that thing kind of sucky, but we may find a better thing :)
[01:40] <thoreauputic> noda: Is it possible to have mouse gestures with Epiphany? I don't see thet option...
[01:40] <spiv> s/actually/actually use/
[01:40] <robertj> noda: the search?
[01:40] <noda> thoreauputic: apt-get install epiphany-extensions
[01:40] <robertj> noda: err find?
[01:40] <noda> robertj: yeah
[01:40] <thoreauputic> noda: thanks
[01:40] <spacey`ki> i also use my bookmarks
[01:40] <robertj> noda: why do you not like it?
[01:41] <HWolf> Extensions for Epiphany web browser
[01:41] <HWolf> Adds extra features to GNOME's Epiphany web browser, including mouse
[01:41] <HWolf> gestures, move tabs between windows, error viewer and  validator,
[01:41] <HWolf> certificate viewer, smart bookmarks, page info, CSS Stylesheet
[01:41] <HWolf> and a GNOME Dashboard interface.
[01:41] <noda> robertj: Feels... kind of... like "no other apps act like this, I have to learn a new procedure"
[01:41] <robertj> noda: yeah, but it's good stuff
[01:42] <HWolf> noda, how is epihany ahead of firefox then, in usability?
[01:42] <noda> robertj: IMO we should have something like gconf-editor :)
[01:42] <noda> HWolf: Like half as many menu entries, and follows the HIG :)
[01:42] <robertj> It made me think "I wish Writer, Word, and MacWrite did this"
[01:42] <HWolf> Should I google for HIG, or can you tell me?
[01:42] <noda> HWolf: All GNOME apps follow the HIG. Human Interface Guidelines
[01:43] <HWolf> noda, ah. :-)
[01:44] <ficusplanet> HWolf, and it automatically uses GNOME proxy settings and will soon use gnome-print
[01:44] <noda> HWolf: And my Error Viewer extension is awesome, too. Though I think on Ubuntu it doesn't work with xhtml. I'll have to reproduce then file a bug :)
[01:44] <amathis> how can I restart the sound server?
[01:44] <noda> Yeah, not to mention, it's worked with Beagle for ages (dunno if Firefox does)
[01:44] <robertj> noda: what do you think of this: http://www.music.uga.edu/temp/whatif.jpg
[01:44] <noda> And the popup blocker is better than Firefox's :)
[01:44] <HWolf> Is gnome still depending on those massive mozilla libraries?
[01:44] <noda> HWolf: Yes, BUT
[01:45] <noda> HWolf: http://gtk-webcore.sf.net
[01:45] <ficusplanet> noda, If firefox doesn't now, it certainly will because Novell is making it the default browser in Novell Linux Desktop.
[01:45] <noda> Galeon can actually use gtk-webcore as a backend (what Safari uses on Mac). I think it works on Epiphany -- if not then it's just a few hours to get it working.
[01:45] <robertj> Firefox is opensource and has good name recognition and a good reputation
[01:45] <tolstoy> I like epiphany, too --- but I got the feeling firefox is going to be the default for gnome, eh?
[01:46] <noda> tolstoy: not anytime soon, I don't think...
[01:46] <robertj> Multiple gtk backends for html rendering seems overly redundant
[01:46] <noda> robertj: That's exactly why it's in Ubuntu, unfortunately for us. That means we really don't have any way to improve Epiphany to get it in the next release
[01:46] <HWolf> It's not that I would enjoy epihany. I'm just unhappy that display managers ship like 4 browsers and mail clients.
[01:46] <noda> robertj: Webcore uses about 5x less memory than Mozilla
[01:46] <ficusplanet> I think epiphany will be more liked after the next release - with the GUI for extensions and gnome-print and whatever else marco and christian cook up.
[01:47] <amathis> how can I restart the sound server?
[01:47] <noda> Yeah :)
[01:47] <robertj> Noda: is that with a full khtml implementation?
[01:47] <noda> ficusplanet: We need more extension ideas, though. What extensions do you think we should have? :)
[01:47] <noda> robertj: Yes
[01:47] <noda> robertj: Actually, sorry, NO. :P
[01:47] <robertj> noda: mozilla has lots of nice stuff
[01:47] <noda> robertj: It's just in testing, so some functionality isn't hooked in yet. But it'll still be much smaller and faster than Mozilla. Unfortunately, at the moment it crashes very often
[01:48] <ficusplanet> noda, I think graphical (thumbnails and searching) history would be awesome.  For bookmarks, too, I guess.
[01:48] <robertj> Safari crashes quite often for me
[01:48] <robertj> Firefox still crashes some, but not nearly as often.
[01:48] <noda> ficusplanet: I've been thinking along the same lines. On the other hand, Beagle might render that unnecessary.
[01:48] <HWolf> First thing I see on this thing is that it doesn't have the google search integrated, which I think is a must-have. :-)
[01:48] <robertj> I'd love to see both backends be able to endure endless streams of garbage html
[01:49] <noda> ficusplanet: I was considering implementing a Storage extension... but Storage is kinda dead nowadays and I'm not sure it's the "right" way to do it.
[01:49] <HWolf> noda, sorry for the comment, but it looks a lot like IE to me. Makes me shiver. :-)
[01:49] <ficusplanet> noda, True, if we could feed beagle screenshots, though, that would be amazing.  And beagle won't get widespread acceptance until mono legal are sorted out.
[01:49] <noda> ficusplanet: Maybe we can finish Python or C# bindings for Epiphany... that'd get more extension developers I think :)
[01:49] <noda> ficusplanet: It already feeds beagle screenshots, doesn't it?
[01:49] <tolstoy> The thing I like about epiphany is that it can be integrated into gnome in ways that don't make sense for a cross platform firefox.
[01:49] <ficusplanet> noda, Oh, I didn't know that.
[01:49] <HWolf> tolstoy, give me an example. :-)
[01:50] <noda> ficusplanet: Actually... maybe not. No, it probably has snippets, like Google
[01:50] <tolstoy> HWolf, native widgets.
[01:50] <noda> tolstoy: unfortunately, Epiphany doesn't use native widgets with the Mozilla backend. The gtk-webcore backend does, though
[01:50] <ficusplanet> noda, Some kind of RSS integration would be nice/timely/in-with-the-Safari-and-Firefox-fad
[01:50] <tolstoy> HWolf, maybe integrated bookmarks with addressbook and GAIM etc.
[01:50] <tolstoy> noda, but it could.
[01:51] <noda> tolstoy: yeah, we've been thinking about that, too. That'd be cool. But how would it work? :)
[01:51] <tolstoy> noda, i mean, maybe it would be too painful to patch native widgets in, but that's the kind of thing I mean.
[01:51] <robertj> noda: Speed is good, memory matters to me almost not at all as long as it doesn't leak
[01:51] <noda> ficusplanet: What kind of RSS integration is useful? It seems to me that "automatic bookmarks" stuff is just somebody who was bored and wanted to find something to code. What does it do?
[01:51] <HWolf> Hey noda, I was wondering, how are the gnome priorities. Is it like A cool, B work, C lean&mean, or another combination.
[01:51] <robertj> Automatic bookmarks are dumb
[01:52] <jdub> noda: try it.
[01:52] <noda> HWolf: 1. It Just Works :)
[01:52] <tolstoy> noda, I don't know what neat things could be done with a more "native" browser, but at least you wouldn't have to justify against the needs of windows.
[01:52] <amathis> how can I restart the sound server?
[01:52] <ficusplanet> noda, In the least we need clicking an RSS feed to bring up a helper app to subscribe to it - preferrably one that works with all 3 major gnome RSS aggregators.
[01:52] <noda> ficusplanet: Yes, we could do that in an extension.
[01:53] <ficusplanet> noda, You're an epiphany developer?
[01:53] <HWolf> Is there any real effort to streamline gnome more, code-wise? Most programmers you need to whip into writing sleek code, is my experience.
[01:53] <noda> ficusplanet: Not as much as Christian and Marco (or even Crispin, really, and he's a Galeon dev :P), but yeah
[01:54] <ficusplanet> noda, Cool
[01:54] <noda> jdub: Hrm... how often does this RSS thingy update? Maybe it is cool ;)
[01:54] <tolstoy> so, is epiphany the "official" gnome browser?
[01:54] <noda> tolstoy: yes
[01:55] <nictuku> gnome is not worried about low end hardware support, is it?
[01:55] <Mojo_Jojo> Hi, I have a problem running azureus, here is the output...Starting Azureus...
[01:55] <jdub> tolstoy: it's shipped in the gnome desktop release
[01:55] <Mojo_Jojo> Java exec found in PATH. Verifying...
[01:55] <Mojo_Jojo> OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE [java = Error] 
[01:55] <Mojo_Jojo> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://java.sun.com
[01:55] <Mojo_Jojo> Java exec found in  /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_05/bin/
[01:55] <Mojo_Jojo> OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE  [/usr/java/j2re1.4.2_05/bin/java = Error] 
[01:55] <Mojo_Jojo> You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://java.sun.com
[01:55] <noda> nictuku: Not to the level distributors are.
[01:55] <Hikaru79> Mojo, you don't have the Java Runtime Environment
[01:55] <Hikaru79> You need to download it
[01:55] <tolstoy> Hm. I just apt-got it, and it's not on any menus!
[01:55] <Mojo_Jojo> but, I have java installed its the sameone on my slackware box
[01:55] <jdub> nictuku: interested in making gnome useful on old hardware, sure, but it's challenging. basically, you just need 256MB RAM or above.
[01:55] <ficusplanet> noda, So are you guys just looking for ways to differentiate yourselves from Firefox?
[01:55] <Hikaru79> Mojo, then the path isn't set right
[01:55] <Hikaru79> Type
[01:55] <Hikaru79> 'which java'
[01:55] <noda> ficusplanet: Yes.
[01:55] <Hikaru79> in a terminal
[01:55] <Hikaru79> And paste the output
[01:56] <robertj> noda: did you take a look at http://www.music.uga.edu/temp/whatif.jpg
[01:56] <thoreauputic> noda: I know this is controversial, but I prefer Galeon (although the 1.2 series was better IMO) Why was Galeon not pursued rather than Epiphany? Epiphany seems less sophisticated to me..
[01:56] <noda> ficusplanet: So far we have the bookmarks (which may be getting Peter Harvey's cool auto-hierarchical-bookmarks patch merged in)
[01:56] <Mojo_Jojo> Hikaru79, /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_05/bin/java
[01:56] <Hikaru79> OK :)
[01:56] <Hikaru79> Now what distro are you using? Ubuntu?
[01:56] <Mojo_Jojo> yeah i'm using ubuntu
[01:56] <Hikaru79> OK
[01:56] <Hikaru79> Open up .bashrc in a text editor
[01:56] <tolstoy> ii  epiphany       0.5.1-1        Clone of BoulderDash Game
[01:56] <tolstoy> Huh???
[01:56] <noda> robertj: What is it? :)
[01:56] <jdub> tolstoy: epiphany-browser
[01:56] <tolstoy> Ah. ;)
[01:57] <Mojo_Jojo> Hikaru79, ok its open
[01:57] <HWolf> Hm. Under epiphany there is no quick-reply option on the ubuntu forums...
[01:57] <Hikaru79> Add this line at the end:
[01:57] <noda> thoreauputic: Check the logic on the Galeon web page, it makes sense :)
[01:57] <robertj> It's what the sidebar should be in a spatial nautilus, a gateway to other "spaces" that you can use to drag things between
[01:57] <noda> thoreauputic: Basically, because Galeon had turned into a giant flame-fest.
[01:57] <Hikaru79> export PATH=$PATH:/usr/java/j2re1.4.2_05/bin
[01:57] <noda> robertj: I can see that being useful. Those'd be your File Selector shortcuts?
[01:57] <Mojo_Jojo> Hikaru79, do I have to log out then back in after?
[01:57] <thoreauputic> noda: sad
[01:58] <Hikaru79> Nah, should be enough to just save the file
[01:58] <nictuku> jdub, I see. I do not want to start a flamewar here. But does linux/X/gnome miss something to run "fine" in a low end machine, or is it just too "feature-full"? I mean, win98 runs fine here.
[01:58] <Hikaru79> And try again
[01:58] <ficusplanet> thoreauputic, The epiphany code is also way cleaner/more readable than galeon's.
[01:58] <Mojo_Jojo> ok
[01:58] <robertj> Yup, same as in Save As
[01:58] <noda> ficusplanet: Some code.
[01:58] <jdub> nictuku: gnome (and other desktop components) does a heck of a lot more than win98
[01:58] <noda> nictuku: There's tons that runs fine on low end machines -- REALLY FAST -- like blackbox...
[01:58] <Hikaru79> o_O
[01:58] <Hikaru79> I guess it worked for him then, lol :P
[01:58] <jdub> nictuku: there are lots of things that need optimisation - it's just a matter of time
[01:59] <ficusplanet> nictuku, Windows 98 is 6 years older than GNOME 2.8 as well.
[01:59] <noda> ficusplanet: Crispin's code in Galeon is great.
[01:59] <jdub> nictuku: it's more fun working on new stuff than fixing old code :)
[01:59] <tolstoy> hm. epiphany doesn't immediately obey the "text below icons" thing, or the removal of it.
[01:59] <nictuku> noda, I know. I use fluxbox, but yet I don't get the same results. I would have to use dillo, and don't even think about listening to mp3. again, this is not a complain, don't get me wrong.
[01:59] <nictuku> jdub hehe.
[01:59] <noda> ficusplanet: When I made my select-stylesheet extension, I copied code from Galeon. It was hilarious -- most of the code was absolutely perfect, and then there were about 100 lines of utter garbage. :)
[01:59] <Mojo_Jojo> Hikaru79, I still get the same problem :(
[02:00] <Hikaru79> =/
[02:00] <Hikaru79> Hm
[02:00] <Hikaru79> I think I may know why
[02:00] <noda> nictuku: Try skipstone as a browser, maybe? It depends on less than Epiphany
[02:00] <Hikaru79> export PATH=$PATH:/usr/java/j2re1.4.2_05/bin/java
[02:00] <Hikaru79> Use that instead
[02:00] <Mojo_Jojo> ok
[02:00] <Hikaru79> The thing is, I use the SDK
[02:00] <Hikaru79> Not the JRE
[02:00] <Hikaru79> So I'm not sure exactly what the path is
[02:00] <Hikaru79> But it's something similar to that
[02:00] <noda> tolstoy: yeah, that's because Epiphany's toolbar is editable. The egg-editable-toolbar does some weird things.
[02:00] <Hikaru79> You could probably look around those files yourself to find the right path too
[02:01] <robertj> noda: also, note the following are missing from the links ;) ~/Desktop ~/ and unmounted disks
[02:01] <noda> tolstoy: wait a second... no, there's no good excuse for that! Damn :)
[02:01] <Hikaru79> The idea is, you have to add that directory to your path
[02:01] <Hikaru79> So that Ubuntu recognizes where Java is :)
[02:01] <Hikaru79> And then it'll work  ^ ^
[02:01] <Mojo_Jojo> but it is in my path...isnt?
[02:01] <robertj> noda: how do you feel about that?
[02:01] <noda> So, I'll compile a list, then: Things Epiphany Could Use To Be More Awesome
[02:01] <HWolf> Btw, to the gnome-devs. Sorry i am a bit agressive. My first impression with gnome years back was that it took ages to download all these massive mozilla libraries, and then when I booted, I had like 3 browsers, and 4 mail clients.
[02:01] <noda> robertj: I'm not sure getting rid of Desktop is a good idea... I keep lotsa windows open :)
[02:01] <nictuku> noda, never heard of skipstone. Thanks for that =] 
[02:02] <tolstoy> noda, but I can't even remove those redundant text labels using epiphany's toolbar edit!  Hm.  Maybe a bug in this version? Last I used had that sort of thing working.
[02:02] <noda> nictuku: It's kind of dead I think :(
[02:02] <Hikaru79> Mojo_Jojo, apparently not =/
[02:02] <nictuku> :(
[02:02] <jdub> HWolf: gnome didn't ship a browser in an official release until 2.4
[02:02] <noda> tolstoy: Sounds buggy. If it doesn't do what you expect, it's buggy. File a bug :)
[02:02] <robertj> noda: why do you need Desktop?
[02:02] <noda> robertj: In case there's no desktop on my screen.
[02:02] <Mojo_Jojo> Hikaru79, so what should I do now?
[02:02] <Hikaru79> Did you change the line?
[02:02] <Mojo_Jojo> sorry...newbie :(
[02:03] <noda> robertj: Like, if I've got a window maximized
[02:03] <tolstoy> noda, okay.  I'll have to do a search.
[02:03] <Hikaru79> Mojo_Jojo, did you change the line?
[02:03] <Hikaru79> Hey, kapputu welcome back :)
[02:03] <kapputu> thanks Hiky :-)
[02:03] <robertj> Noda: one time fix. Go to Documents, select View Parent, drag Desktop into Documents
[02:03] <HWolf> I've got no idea which I first installed. I used KDE for a bit, after that Gnome was a massive improvement. I just feel that linux is about options, and thus you should get something that works shipped standard, but allow it to be replaced rather then have people run something different besides.
[02:03] <Mojo_Jojo> Hikaru79, actually I left both lines in there haha
[02:03] <robertj> Bam, no need for Desktop anymore
[02:03] <noda> robertj: True dat
[02:03] <Hikaru79> =P Err
[02:03] <Hikaru79> Should be OK
[02:03] <Hikaru79> Now just try again
[02:04] <Hikaru79> If not, just get the SDK
[02:04] <noda> I used to use Blackbox, then KDE... when I tried GNOME 2.0, I never went back.
[02:04] <Mojo_Jojo> damn...where can I get the sdk? I didn't see it on the site?
[02:04] <nictuku> there is another doubt I have and I can't ever get a good neutral answer: is X really "slow"? from my user point of view, it has a bad latency. Is that so, or only a repetitive mantra between some users (X is slow) ?
[02:04] <Mojo_Jojo> oh how do I remove the old one??
[02:04] <noda> So, who here uses the automatic bookmarks?
[02:04] <Hikaru79> http://java.sun.com
[02:04] <spacey`ki> i like gnome too. although i think the gnome-terminal is really crappy
[02:04] <noda> in Firefox
[02:04] <Hikaru79> As for deleting the old one just remove the files
[02:04] <noda> spacey`ki: It is. Well, gnome-terminal is fine, but its backend is crappy
[02:05] <tolstoy> I started using gnome pre 1.0. ;)
[02:05] <noda> nictuku: No, X is not slow.
[02:05] <Mojo_Jojo> ok so just remove the /usr/java??
[02:05] <jdub> HWolf: linux is about cloning unix and providing an interface to your hardware. it's a kernel.
[02:05] <robertj> So the guestion remains: why do we have a Desktop?
[02:05] <tolstoy> KDE was much more solid, but I just couldn't stay away from gnome, for some reason.
[02:05] <spacey`ki> noda, especially with a lot of output terminal can take up to 70% cpu. ;p what backend is that?
[02:05] <noda> spacey`ki: Erm... vte I think
[02:05] <spacey`ki> never heard of it :p
[02:06] <noda> spacey`ki: It's annoying, I know. It takes more processing power to actually print 'make' output than it does to comiple :P
[02:06] <spacey`ki> uhu :)
[02:06] <noda> spacey`ki: It's been around forever. Before that there was another one which was fast but crashed.
[02:06] <jdub> spacey`ki: vte is the terminal emulation library that gnome-terminal uses.
[02:06] <Mojo_Jojo> Hikaru79, which one do I download? http://java.sun.com/j2ee/1.4/download.html#sdk
[02:06] <spacey`ki> well they should drop it then :P
[02:06] <jdub> noda: no, zvt was difficult to read (codewise) and didn't do i18n/utf-8 or a11y.
[02:06] <robertj> noda: care to hear the answer to that rhetorical question or am I boring you ;)
[02:06] <Mojo_Jojo> I also found the SE
[02:07] <jdub> spacey`ki: please write a new terminal emulation library, and propose it to replace vte.
[02:07] <noda> jdub: Ah. I knew it was hopeless :)
[02:07] <kapputu> any openoffice users here ?
[02:07] <jdub> noda: it wasn't.
[02:07] <noda> jdub: Do you think vte could be optimized?
[02:07] <spacey`ki> jdub, yeah sure when i have the time :) i'll put it on the end of my todo list
[02:07] <noda> robertj: Which question? And sure, what's the answer? :)
[02:07] <jdub> noda: sure.
[02:07] <robertj> noda: We have Documents because ~ gets filled with junk that noone knows about
[02:07] <robertj> It's no mans land, filled with stuff from both packages and users
[02:08] <robertj> So we say "Bahh, make Documents"
[02:08] <jdub> robertj: not entirely true these days.
[02:08] <robertj> jdub: fill me in
[02:08] <jdub> what you said above is not entirely true these days
[02:08] <kapputu> why is there a gap of two lines when I type in something in oowriter ?
[02:10] <robertj> jdub: okay, tell me about it when you get off the phone
[02:10] <noda> kapputu: Go Format -> Paragraph and look at spacing?
[02:10] <kapputu> what's the different b/w OO writer and OO Wordprocessor ?
[02:10] <kapputu> it looks good in OO Word processor
[02:11] <robertj> noda: anyway, there is this kinda catch 22 in which you need to give users easy access to Documents and the root so that they can copy all their documents to and fro
[02:11] <robertj> but if you give them access, there is the temptation "we have this parent folder with one folder, that's silly. You shouldn't have one folder with just one item as a standard setup"
[02:13] <robertj> noda: isn't that how the thinking goes?
[02:13] <noda> IMO there should be no Documents, and ~ should be the Desktop folder.
[02:13] <robertj> Noda: then you have to give people a way to unclutter the desktop
[02:13] <robertj> I think the sane thing to do is ditch Documents and the desktop
[02:14] <noda> Bah, everybody likes clutter :)
[02:14] <robertj> and make a hotkey to bring the home folder to the forground so you can drag in and out of it
[02:14] <robertj> I kinda cheat now and have hide/show desktop as the Win key, but it still doesn't work helpfully
[02:14] <tux_> anything is better than what MS has done to XPeee
[02:14] <WW> kapputu: I looks like Write is for editing html.
[02:14] <Dekkard> what is the command to bring up the network config utility
[02:14] <WW> Writer*
[02:14] <robertj> like I cant start a drag from the desktop and press the win key to pop my app to the foreground to deposit my file in
[02:14] <Ghent19> Dekkard is a gentoo ricer ;)
[02:15] <Dekkard> ghent is a mod poser
[02:15] <Ghent19> sup?
[02:15] <Dekkard> wello.. i got this router today..
[02:15] <Dekkard> 
[02:15] <Dekkard> so i need to reset up ubuntu to do the router thing instead of pppoe
[02:16] <Dekkard> and i got an ibook
[02:16] <Dekkard> hehe
[02:16] <Dekkard> i kinda dig it
[02:16] <Ghent19> well i got no idea on how its done off a debian based distro :P
[02:16] <Dekkard> dme either
[02:17] <Dekkard> ive only been doing ubuntu for a wwk or so
[02:17] <NetwrkMonkey> which debian version is ubuntu based off of?
[02:17] <noda> NetwrkMonkey: unstabl
[02:17] <Ghent19> dont tell me whiprush corrupted you?
[02:17] <noda> e
[02:17] <Dekkard> no dood i had no idea he was on it
[02:17] <tux_> Dekkard, ubuntu rocks
[02:18] <Dekkard> ubuntun wont let gtkan recognize my cannon powershot
[02:18] <Dekkard> ubuntu is givin me cdburning gas
[02:18] <Dekkard> it doesnt like  my ide cdroms'
[02:18] <Dekkard> dint have this with slack
[02:19] <tux_> well, it is cutting edge
[02:19] <Ghent19> did you setup the scsi emulation?
[02:19] <Dekkard> no
[02:19] <tux_> er, on the edge of flattulence
[02:19] <tux_> hehe
[02:19] <noda> You don't need that, do you?
[02:19] <Dekkard> i thought 2.6 kernel took care of htat?
[02:19] <jdub> Dekkard: not hugely reliably so far
[02:19] <Dekkard> as in not necessary
[02:19] <noda> Dekkard: Writing CDs should be a drag-and-drop operation
[02:19] <Ghent19> no idea, i really hanvt been on linux since 2,2 :P
[02:19] <jdub> load sr_mod in your /etc/modules
[02:20] <Dekkard> drag and drop if i want ot use nautilus
[02:20] <robertj> Noda: that side panel would make burning cds a one window operation again
[02:20] <Ghent19> append ide-scsi=hdc  or whatever to your lilo.conf :P
[02:20] <noda> robertj: Holy cow, you're right, that'd be sweet
[02:20] <noda> Not that I mind 'Go -> Burn CD'
[02:20] <noda> Or whatever it is
[02:21] <Dekkard> but that doesnt convert mp3 files to wave for burning regualr audio cds does it?
[02:21] <noda> Aargh. This channel is addictive. Must go do laundry and eat and homework and study and stuff!
[02:21] <noda> Dekkard: No :(
[02:21] <tux_> noda, like there is anything else
[02:21] <tux_> i hang on to the logs to grep
[02:21] <Dekkard> i miss that from k3b.. but im not going to install kde just  for that
[02:21] <noda> tux_: Hehehe, actually I never burn audio CDs but I go through 50-packs...
[02:21] <tux_> for solutions to common ubuntu issues
[02:22] <tux_> noda, ah... distros, etc.
[02:22] <robertj> noda: well, you right click the cd and select eject
[02:22] <robertj> it asks you to write, and you are done
[02:22] <Dekkard> jIRCii 10.24.04 MacOSX : I pity the fool who don't use jIRCii
[02:22] <tux_> er, that is scary... much like winders
[02:22] <noda> tux_: For me, it's more for transferring like 5MB of files per CD for assignments and stuff :)
[02:22] <noda> I'm off :)
[02:22] <robertj> noda: time to invest in a keychain
[02:22] <tux_> later
[02:23] <tux_> yea
[02:23] <noda> robertj: I've got one, but I won't be handing *that* in to teachers
[02:23] <tux_> usb 1gb are cheap
[02:23] <robertj> noda: oh ;)
[02:23] <tux_> lol
[02:23] <Mojo_Jojo> Hikaru79, it still doesnt work but when I "which java" I get "/usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_06/bin//java" which is tere and extra /
[02:23] <Ghent19> st pauli? you can do better than that...
[02:24] <Dekkard> not for 19 a case ghent
[02:24] <Ghent19> heh, i spent $10 on a dogfish head 120 min IPA
[02:24] <Dekkard> well..hm
[02:24] <Ghent19> but its 20%abv.
[02:24] <Dekkard> yer a freek
[02:24] <Dekkard> i needed leave blowing beer
[02:24] <benjanet> how do i use my printer on Firefox...
[02:25] <Ghent19> oh, found a place less than a mile from me that serves dragonmead on tap!
[02:25] <Dekkard> koo
[02:25] <Dekkard>  you goin to the mozparty?
[02:25] <Ghent19> planning on it.
[02:25] <Dekkard> i hope to
[02:26] <Dekkard> wanna drink another grand cru to see if its as wierd as i remember it ot be
[02:26] <Ghent19> heh
[02:26] <WW> benjanet: File -> Print...   doesn't work?
[02:26] <benjanet> WW, it dosent show my Epson printer...just postcript
[02:26] <Dekkard> speakin of which.. my beer is lonely, it requests the company of another beer
[02:27] <Dekkard> benjanet have you added your prenter using the cups utility in ubuntu?
[02:27] <robertj> Also, riddle me this. Who here has a Firefox profile called default6 ;)
[02:28] <Dekkard> prolly me
[02:28] <WW> benjanet: Did you try printing to it? That's what mine says, but it prints OK.
[02:28] <Dekkard> god i hope not
[02:28] <amathis> how can I restart the sound server?
[02:28] <benjanet> Dekkard, yes. i have. I appears on other programs normaly, but not in Firefox
[02:28] <LinuxJones> benjanet, >> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2384
[02:28] <Dekkard> benjanet have to gone forward and tried to printg?
[02:29] <Dekkard> epson is your postscript printer i believe'
[02:29] <Dekkard> brb
[02:29] <Dekkard> freekin ricers
[02:29] <benjanet> Dekkard, it just feeds paper
[02:29] <benjanet> nothing printed
[02:29] <Dekkard> thats a start
[02:29] <Dekkard> hehe
[02:30] <Dekkard> can you get a test page?
[02:30] <benjanet> Dekkard, test page goes ok
[02:30] <Dekkard> sorry
[02:30] <Dekkard> hmm
[02:31] <Dekkard> sorry ben im not sure what to tell you
[02:31] <benjanet> Dekkard, ok, thanks anyway
[02:31] <Dekkard> sowwyt
[02:31] <WW> benjanet: Do other apps print OK?
[02:33] <kapputu> how do I print using a remote printer ?
[02:33] <benjanet> WW, i testing now
[02:34] <tolstoy> thunderbird thinks my ubuntu bug reports are junk!  bad filter.  bad!
[02:36] <benjanet> ww, seems that now test page dosent work, and printer is not auto detected
[02:36] <tolstoy> Interesting.  Add a printer finds a local printer, an HP laserjet 2100.  It's correct!  When I hit forward, it totally forgets what it founds, makes me search for the correct HP driver.  Weird.
[02:36] <tolstoy> Oh, wait.  Now it works. Hm.
[02:36] <kapputu> my wireless connection keeps dropping
[02:36] <kapputu> :-(
[02:37] <tolstoy> oops, now it doesn't.
[02:37] <Matt|2> hi there
[02:37] <Matt|2> can someone tell me why my desktop background was blue and now it is brown???
[02:37] <kapputu> hi Matt|2
[02:37] <Matt|2> i want my blue back
[02:37] <Hikaru79> Matt|2: Right click and change desktop background..?
[02:38] <Matt|2> Hikaru79, i can't find the background
[02:38] <Hikaru79> I have a picture of my girlfriend as a background <3~~
[02:38] <Matt|2> i had a blue ubuntu background
[02:38] <Hikaru79> The brown one?
[02:38] <jdub> Matt|2: the default desktop changed between preview and release candidate
[02:38] <Hikaru79> Should be called Chocolate Ubuntu or something
[02:38] <Matt|2> jdub, but mine has changed in the last 5 minutes
[02:38] <Arkadius> ghent it worked
[02:39] <Arkadius> got the ubuntu box up on the net
[02:39] <Hikaru79> o_O Wierd
[02:39] <Hikaru79> l33t h4x0rz, must be ;)
[02:39] <Matt|2> jdub, i just reboot
[02:39] <Matt|2> ed
[02:39] <Matt|2> Hikaru79, let's hope not ;)
[02:39] <Hikaru79> Hehe :P
[02:39] <kapputu> Hiky what's l33t h4x04z
[02:40] <Matt|2> /kick kapputu
[02:40] <Ghent19> sure, try to confuse me with another nic Arkadius  :P
[02:40] <Hikaru79> LOL :P
[02:40] <Hikaru79> Are you joking, kappu?
[02:40] <Arkadius> heh
[02:40] <Ghent19> another beer or two and you may have
[02:40] <Arkadius> im trying
[02:40] <kapputu> no I'm serious
[02:40] <Matt|2> jdub, please help me out with this: it seems to have caused some problems. I cannot now resize my transparent aterm without it losing its transparency
[02:41] <kapputu> l33t is elitist or something right ?
[02:41] <Matt|2> jdub, it only happens since my desktop has changed colour ;)
[02:41] <WW> kapputu: google: 1337
[02:41] <jdub> Matt|2: the background issue is most likely unrelated
[02:41] <tseng> if yo umove it, does it refresh?
[02:41] <Arkadius> now i need to goto fink and firnd so lin apps ported to osx
[02:41] <jdub> Matt|2: that's just a result of upgrading ubuntu-artwork
[02:41] <kapputu> is that a el or a 1
[02:41] <Matt|2> jdub, OOOOhhhhh
[02:41] <WW> kapputu: one three three seven
[02:41] <Matt|2> so the transparency issue is a result of upgrading something else
[02:41] <Matt|2> jdub, so the transparency issue is a result of upgrading something else
[02:42] <Arkadius> freekin kewl
[02:42] <Arkadius> hehe
[02:43] <Matt|2> tseng, no
[02:44] <tux_> alf: had any good cats lately?
[02:44] <tux_> hehe
[02:44] <kapputu> how do I disable grouping windows ?
[02:44] <alf> heh
[02:45] <jdub> kapputu: right click on the window switcher
[02:45] <alf> just wondering - is there a way to customise the Applications/Computer menus?
[02:45] <WW> alf: yes/no
[02:45] <Matt|2> jdub, you can't help with my aterm problem?
[02:45] <kapputu> where is that
[02:45] <alf> nice answer :)
[02:45] <jdub> Matt|2: no
[02:45] <kapputu> gotcha
[02:46] <WW> alf: Try right-clicking in a submenu under Applications.  You'll see several options.
[02:46] <Matt|2> jdub, how about with reverting to the old artwork? Synaptic says that if I force the package to be the older version, I have to remove mozilla-firefox
[02:46] <jdub> Matt|2: that won't help your aterm issue
[02:46] <alf> WW: yes, I see that. how about changing which submenus are there, or even combining them into one menu
[02:46] <Matt|2> jdub, true but at least I will be happy with the desktop
[02:46] <alf> (I'm trying not to mention Windows)
[02:47] <WW> alf: Use Nautilus, browse to applications:///
[02:47] <Matt|2> jdub, why is it telling me that I have to remove firefox in order to revert to the older artwork?
[02:47] <tolstoy> did you guys know that emacs is foobarred in the Accessories menu?
[02:48] <tolstoy> I should report that bug, but it's been around forever, i think.
[02:48] <WW> alf: Also, take a look at the wiki FAQ.
[02:48] <alf> WW: ok, i will, thanks
[02:48] <jdub> Matt|2: because firefox depends on the new artwork
[02:48] <tolstoy> Emacs @MAJOR_VERSION@ (X11)
[02:48] <jdub> Matt|2: the artwork is unrelated to your aterm issue
[02:48] <jdub> tolstoy: yes
[02:48] <jdub> tolstoy: (it shouldn't be in the menu anyway, but that does need to be fixed)
[02:48] <Matt|2> jdub, i have understood that. But I simply like the older artwork more. Do you know why firefox depends on the new artwork?
[02:49] <jdub> Matt|2: because it includes the default homepage
[02:49] <Matt|2> omg
[02:49] <jdub> Matt|2: downgrading the artwork pacakge is not the best way of getting the old artwork
[02:49] <jdub> just set your background up the same way
[02:49] <tolstoy> Ah, good.
[02:49] <Matt|2> jdub, ah cool. what is the other way?
[02:49] <tolstoy> Unfortunatley, when I try to fix it with applications:///, it just won't "take".
[02:49] <jdub> tolstoy: killall gnome-panel
[02:50] <tolstoy> didn't work.
[02:50] <tolstoy> I usually try that first: some holdover from ancient gnome versions.
 just set your background up the same way
[02:51] <Matt|2> how can i do that?
[02:51] <jdub> Matt|2: use the desktop background prefs dialogue
[02:51] <kapputu> any new ubuntu themes ?
[02:51] <Matt|2> jdub, but I do not have the image
[02:51] <jdub> Matt|2: it was just a transparent image of the ubuntu logo
[02:51] <Matt|2> jdub, also, that will only change the desktop background when I am logged in
[02:51] <jdub> that will change it immediately
[02:52] <Matt|2> when logging in I will still get the brown colour
[02:52] <jdub> the old background might be on gnome-look, i think someone uploaded it there
[02:52] <jdub> no you won';t
[02:52] <jdub> that sets your preference
[02:52] <jdub> that's what it's for
[02:52] <Matt|2> yeah i understand i think
[02:52] <Matt|2> i mean, before logging in, in the period between gdm and logged in, the screen is brown
[02:52] <jdub> yes
[02:52] <alf> WW: what am I looking for in the wiki FAQ? I can't see anything relevant there
[02:53] <Matt|2> so I cannot change that?
[02:53] <jdub> you'd have to change the gdm setup
[02:53] <jdub> that's not your background
[02:54] <alf> WW: ok, found it
[02:54] <Matt|2> jdub, ok maybe I can do that
[02:54] <Matt|2> i would still prefer to revert back to the old artwork tho ;)
[02:54] <alexeijh> what's the ubuntu take on midi, just installed solfege from universe and it's not really behaving.
[02:54] <Matt|2> it seems strange that mozilla-firefox should depend on the artwork package
[02:55] <jdub> Matt|2: the default home page is in the artwork package
[02:55] <jdub> Matt|2: reverting the artwork is not the best way to do what you want to do
[02:55] <jdub> alexeijh: thoroughly untested, afaik :)
[02:55] <WW> alf: Yeah, it's a bit of a pain. The new wiki doesn't have a "table of contents" macro, so you have to scroll through the whole thing just to browse the questions.
[02:55] <Matt|2> jdub, lol
[02:55] <Matt|2> jdub, i am reading what you are saying
[02:56] <Matt|2> my opinion is that it is wrong to have the default home page in the artwork package
[02:56] <jdub> Matt|2: it's the best place for it
[02:56] <tux_> Matt|2: IMHO too
[02:56] <tux_> i mean what if you need to change firefox
[02:56] <jdub> Matt|2: note that it wouldn't have occurred to you if you hadn't had other issues elsewhere
[02:57] <Matt|2> jdub, yes, but that does not make it right
[02:57] <alexeijh> jdub: solfege? or is midi not tested at all?
[02:57] <Matt|2> jdub, i disagree with all unnecessary dependencies
[02:57] <jdub> alexeijh: midi afaik
[02:57] <jdub> Matt|2: it's not unnecessary
[02:58] <alexeijh> where would I make some noise about fixing MIDI for hoary?
[02:58] <jdub> alexeijh: -devel
[02:58] <TheMuso> alexeijh: Are you trying to use OSS MIDI or ALSA MIDI?
[03:00] <alexeijh> TheMuso: no idea. I'm using sound as it's automatically setup from the install [creative live] . I'm not even sure if this problem is solfege specific, is there any midi stuff in main I could try out?
[03:00] <TheMuso> Have you tried typing aconnect -i and aconnect -o to see what you get?
[03:01] <TheMuso> Load the module snd-seq-midi and see what happens.
[03:01] <TheMuso> I had to do that before I could find out what MIDI ports I had available on my desktop system.
[03:01] <Matt|2> damn i can't find that watermark on the net
[03:02] <jdub> hold on
[03:03] <Matt|2> found a few posts but they led to nothing
[03:03] <jdub> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~jdub/ubuntu-watermark.png
[03:04] <Matt|2> thanks v much
[03:06] <alexeijh> TheMuso: snd-seq-midi wasn't loaded.
[03:06] <TheMuso> Nor was it for me either.
[03:06] <TheMuso> Until I manually loaded it.
[03:06] <TheMuso> You could put it in /etc/modules
[03:06] <TheMuso> add it I mean.
[03:06] <Matt|2> actually, on the aterm problem, i'm not sure that it has been updated
[03:06] <Matt|2> perhaps the problem is caused by something else
[03:07] <alexeijh> TheMuso: so I've just loaded it, what am I looking for from aconnect output?
[03:07] <tux_> how do i return my UID
[03:07] <TheMuso> aconnect -i will list all the ports available to ALSA MIDI. -i will give you all your input ports.
[03:08] <stodge> Anyone installed KDE on Ubuntu? Did the install work well?
[03:08] <tux_> mine did
[03:09] <alexeijh> TheMuso: I'm a little lost with all this. Can I ask what program you are using midi with?
[03:10] <TheMuso> None specifically, but I know a fair bit about the ALSA MIDI setup and the ports.
[03:10] <TheMuso> So how does solfege need MIDI?
[03:10] <tux_> ok help with partition mounting so user can write
[03:10] <tux_> please
[03:10] <tux_> i have /dev/hda5       /shared         ext3    auto uid=1000,umask=0 0 2
[03:10] <tux_> but can't write to it as user
[03:11] <tux_> thks
[03:11] <tux_> sudo works fine..
[03:11] <stodge> Does the KDE menu get set up properly?
[03:12] <tux_> stodge i had to do mine using the menuedit
[03:12] <tux_> just opened and told it to reload
[03:12] <tux_> it rebuilt menu for me
[03:12] <stodge> Ok thanks
[03:12] <tux_> np
[03:12] <alexeijh> solfege is an aural training program [stuff like intervals and transcription] . It does things like play intervals throught midi, in the preferences you can use a device [eg. /dev/sequencer2]  or external midiplayer [eg timidity, playmidi] .
[03:13] <alexeijh> TheMuso: any chance you could have a play with it and see if you have any success?
[03:13] <Matt|2> oh god
[03:13] <Matt|2> trying to file a bug: there is no component named aterm
[03:14] <TheMuso> alexeijh: I will see what I can do. Looking atthe apt-cache information about it, it seems that it uses OSS, as it doesn't directly depend on any ALSA packages.
[03:14] <aLi> how can i mail a file from consoLe using sendmail
[03:14] <Stalione> can someone please help me with a small sound problem?  I have all the right modules loaded but the sound does not seem to work.
[03:14] <Matt|2> ah aterm is in universe
[03:14] <tux_> and on updating FireFox to 1.1PR
[03:14] <Matt|2> is it possible to file bugs for packages in universe?
[03:14] <tux_> is it out there?
[03:14] <tux_> in universe?
[03:14] <TheMuso> Stalione: Checked volume settings?
[03:15] <Matt|2> in the universe repository
[03:15] <Stalione> well i am used to setting volume via amixer, but doing so errors out.  how else can i set it?
[03:15] <tux_> Stalione, did you run alsamixer
[03:15] <TheMuso> Stalione: In what way does it error out?
[03:15] <Stalione> TheMuso, amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device
[03:15] <TheMuso> What system are you running it on?
[03:15] <moyote> Was wondering if someone could help? Trying to set up wireless on another box wit a different distro but it uses the same wireless pci card as I have using ubuntu. Atheros driver. Here is the error when I modprobe ath_hal:  Version magic '2.6.3 preempt PENTIUMIII gcc-3.4' should be 2.6.3 preempt PENTIUMIII gcc-3.3"
[03:16] <Stalione> its a dell laptop with a ac97 soundcard.  I had it working jsut fine in gentoo.
[03:16] <tux_> Stalione, try running alsamixer
[03:16] <TheMuso> Stalione: Aha! I am pretty sure of the problem. Can you give me an ls -l /proc/asound
[03:16] <poyayan> finally got rid of windows again
[03:17] <tux_> poyayan, yeah!
[03:17] <Stalione> root@spduslisl04:/etc # ls -l /proc/asound
[03:17] <Stalione> total 0
[03:17] <Stalione> -r--r--r--    1 root     root            0 Oct 31 20:17 cards
[03:17] <Stalione> -r--r--r--    1 root     root            0 Oct 31 20:17 devices
[03:17] <Stalione> -r--r--r--    1 root     root            0 Oct 31 20:17 modules
[03:17] <Stalione> dr-xr-xr-x    2 root     root            0 Oct 31 20:17 oss
[03:17] <Stalione> -r--r--r--    1 root     root            0 Oct 31 20:17 pcm
[03:17] <Stalione> dr-xr-xr-x    2 root     root            0 Oct 31 20:17 seq
[03:17] <Stalione> -r--r--r--    1 root     root            0 Oct 31 20:17 timers
[03:17] <Stalione> -r--r--r--    1 root     root            0 Oct 31 20:17 version
[03:17] <Stalione> i am in audio group, however none of these seem to be owned by audio group
[03:17] <Stalione> is that an issue?
[03:17] <TheMuso> Stalione: Ok... It is not what I thought it would be.
[03:17] <HrdwrBoB> proc is not devices which are used
[03:17] <HrdwrBoB> they are in /dev
[03:17] <TheMuso> Stalione: Ok, run lsmod | grep snd
[03:17] <poyayan> now I need to get mp3 playback working and decide between mplayer or xine-totem
[03:18] <Stalione> root@spduslisl04:/etc # lsmod | grep snd
[03:18] <Stalione> snd_intel8x0m          19656  0
[03:18] <Stalione> snd_intel8x0           35468  0
[03:18] <Stalione> snd_ac97_codec         67844  2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0
[03:18] <Stalione> snd_pcm_oss            52968  0
[03:18] <tux_> mplayer
[03:18] <Stalione> snd_mixer_oss          19456  1 snd_pcm_oss
[03:18] <Stalione> snd_pcm                95140  3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss
[03:18] <Stalione> snd_timer              24900  1 snd_pcm
[03:18] <Stalione> snd_page_alloc         11432  3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
[03:18] <Stalione> gameport                4608  1 snd_intel8x0
[03:18] <Stalione> snd_mpu401_uart         7776  1 snd_intel8x0
[03:18] <Stalione> snd_rawmidi            24704  1 snd_mpu401_uart
[03:18] <Stalione> snd_seq_device          8040  1 snd_rawmidi
[03:18] <Stalione> snd                    55300  10 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
[03:18] <Stalione> soundcore              10112  1 snd
[03:18] <cardador> poyayan: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:18] <tux_> TheMuso, Stalione needs to try alsamixer
[03:18] <poyayan> yeah I know I just haven't yet :)
[03:18] <tux_> in terminal
[03:18] <Stalione> tux_, I have already tried it
[03:18] <tux_> did it not run
[03:18] <Stalione> tux_, root@spduslisl04:/etc # alsamixer
[03:18] <Stalione> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[03:18] <LinuxJones> This channel needs flood protection
[03:19] <TheMuso> tux_: That is not the problem. He can't get a volume control up no matter what he uses. Looking at the contents of /proc/asound above confirms that.
[03:19] <tux_> ouchie
[03:19] <Stalione> LinuxJones, I am not flooding..sorry about the multiline input but it is justified in this case
[03:19] <Ninjas-Rezatm> what p2p software you guys use for Music?
[03:19] <HrdwrBoB> Ninjas-Rezatm: GoToTheStore
[03:19] <cardador> Stalione: look at the topic ;) "Please don't paste in the channel, use http://www.pastebin.com/"
[03:19] <HrdwrBoB> version 1.0
[03:20] <LinuxJones> Stalione, use pastebin.com
[03:20] <Stalione> LinuxJones, cardador: Thank you. I stand corrected.
[03:20] <TheMuso> Stalione: Ok lets take this to private message. I can help you sort it out so we can get listings if we need them.
[03:20] <SpOoKy_MyK-e> #Multimedia
[03:20] <Matt|2> Stalione, you could also use the channel #flood
[03:20] <Stalione> TheMuso, Thank you.
[03:20] <Ninjas-Rezatm> HrdwrBoB: joke?
[03:21] <poyayan> ok done with mad
[03:21] <poyayan> does mplayer appear in the gnome menu after you install it?
[03:21] <LinuxJones> night all
[03:22] <jdub> poyayan: no
[03:25] <phlaegel> jdub: it does for me
[03:27] <jdub> oh, the gui ones might
[03:27] <jdub> realise now that i installed -nogui
[03:27] <poyayan> lol
[03:27] <poyayan> is it any good?
[03:27] <poyayan> I keep getting blue screens when I use totem-xine
[03:27] <mike> I just installed KDE for Ubuntu, the fonts in KDE are so.... ugly
[03:28] <iminj> <?php
[03:28] <iminj> test
[03:28] <iminj> ?>
[03:29] <iminj> what is pastebin?
[03:29] <HrdwrBoB> pastebin.com
[03:29] <iminj> What's it for?
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> pasting stuff
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> go and look
[03:30] <iminj> pasting lengthy scripts in the room?
[03:30] <iminj> in this channel?
[03:30] <mike> ALso KDE seems confused - it's rendering things as though it's running in 640x480
[03:34] <bur[n] er> awww... was gonna help mike
[03:34] <bur[n] er> too bad he left
[03:40] <poyayan> hey does mplayer use w32codecs?
[03:40] <tux_> er, yea if you want to play wmv
[03:40] <poyayan> do I need to set the path or does the mplayer packages already look for it
[03:44] <Pizbit> poyayan: It'll find it
[03:45] <poyayan> ok cool
[03:45] <poyayan> thx
[03:48] <jnc> hi all
[03:50] <jnc> i'm sick of the problems i am having with windows 98 second edition, on a laptop system (233mhz ish and 64mb ram)
[03:50] <jnc> i need the box for business work
[03:50] <jnc> i'm already a *nix user at home, but i need a box that will synchronize  with ACT! program database
[03:50] <jnc> and also synchronize with my palm pilot
[03:50] <jnc> so far, the windows 98 SE was doing both for a while, but for some unknown and entirely fustrating reason, it stopped synchronizing with my palm
[03:50] <jnc> i had the standard debian sarge install on the laptop before, and it was okay for email and synching the palm
[03:50] <jnc> but when it came to synching with ACT! it was a no-go
[03:51] <jnc> also, it was hideously slow with debian sarge
[03:51] <jnc> any ideas?
[03:51] <Pizbit> What's ACT! ?
[03:51] <jnc> "ACT!" is a contact management system
[03:51] <jnc> it allows you to make a semi-relational database of companies and the people who work for them with their contact info
[03:52] <jnc> it unifies the process of conducting sales calls
[03:52] <jnc> keeping a log of notes and records
[03:52] <jnc> for each contact
[03:52] <jnc> it also contains a phone dialer to make that part easier
[03:52] <Pizbit> Have you found any programs for linux that work with it?
[03:52] <MagicFab> Hello
[03:52] <jnc> Pizbit: no
[03:52] <MagicFab> can anyone help with a boot problem involving modprobe ?
[03:53] <jnc> there is SugarCMS which does the same function, and imports ACT! flat files
[03:53] <jnc> but it is LAMP based (linux apache mysql php)
[03:53] <jnc> there is no memory for me to be running such a fat solution on a skinny little laptop that i am given
[03:53] <jnc> only  64mb ram...
[03:53] <MagicFab> I get a message similar to "Error: FATAL while trying to insert pciehp.ko - operation not permitted" same for shpchp.ko
[03:53] <Pizbit> MagicFab: Known bug, doesn't matter
[03:54] <MagicFab> jnc> sorry for jumping in, but I've found J-pilot kind of does part of what Act! provides
[03:55] <jnc> MagicFab: ooh!
[03:55] <jnc> MagicFab: can i synch it with an email client?
[03:55] <jnc> i didn't see anything for synching with Thunderbird (which is my preferred email client)
[03:55] <Pizbit> MagicFab: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1869
[03:56] <MagicFab> jnc> I'm not sure. There is partial support from Thunderbird, I've heard Mozilla suite works with it.
[03:56] <jnc> ah
[03:56] <MagicFab> jnc> Don't know about Evolution, etc.
[03:56] <jnc> Evo and I do not get along these days
[03:56] <jnc> Evo crashes way too much
[03:56] <Pizbit> It's stable here, POS to use though
[03:56] <jnc> mm
[03:57] <jnc> think it's worth buggering around to put say, ubuntu linux on that lappy?
[03:57] <MagicFab> Pizbit> tx.
[03:57] <jnc> at this point i have equal lack of functionality from both sides, the win98se and the debian sarge linux
[03:57] <MagicFab> jnc> I use J-pilot under Mandrake linux
[03:58] <MagicFab> jnc> I think ubunto comes with Gpilot or Gnu-Pilot - can't remember. Anyone ?..
[03:58] <jnc> win98se randomly decides to stop working with Palm sync, and debian sarge linux runs like a sick sad animal on the 233mhz @ 64mb ram
[03:58] <Pizbit> Ubuntu has jpilot
[03:58] <MagicFab> jnc> I just installed Ubuntu today
[03:58] <jnc> ah
[03:58] <MagicFab> jnc> and I haven't configured its palm support
[03:59] <jnc> is Ubuntu a different OS, or is it a refinement of the GUI on top of a debian base
[03:59] <jnc> also i only have one USB port.  if i disconnect the USB-ethernet device and reconnect it, will it automatically configure the ethernet ?
[04:00] <jnc> (i know, open a term, su root, /etc/init.d/netwokring restart, ... but it is a pain and should not be necessary)
[04:01] <Pizbit> jnc: I reckon it probably would
[04:01] <jnc> really
[04:01] <jnc> what function does that?
[04:01] <MagicFab> jnc> what do you mean by "Ethernet device" ? is it WiFi ?
[04:02] <jnc> no
[04:02] <jnc> i mean a ..  LinkSys TX100LNE
[04:02] <MagicFab> jnc> you'd have to configure the network device by adding it via the configuration utility
[04:02] <jnc> you know, the usb 2.0 adapter from USB -> ethernet
[04:02] <jnc> MagicFab: but what i mean is i only have one usb port on the computer, and i swap it out to use other devices
[04:03] <jnc> would plugging in / unplugging the USB->ethernet adapter mean that it would deconfigure, and reconfigure, without user intervention?
[04:03] <jnc> win98se does that without user intervention
[04:03] <jnc> and it saves me a lot of time
[04:03] <Pizbit> I reckon it would, but I've never trued nor have what I need to try
[04:03] <jnc> i plug it in, and it autoconfigures with dhcp
[04:03] <jnc> hm
[04:04] <Pizbit> I could, of course, be wrong
[04:04] <jnc> can you install Internet Explorer 5.5 in wine
[04:04] <jnc> with ubuntu
[04:04] <Pizbit> If it works in wine, then it should work.
[04:04] <tolstoy> I reported this bug: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3069. Any advise to help figure it out?  Should I download source, compile, see if I can reproduce it?
[04:04] <Pizbit> Although why you'd want too I don't know.
[04:04] <tabmoW> jnc: why would you want to?
[04:04] <jnc> it's a pre-req
[04:04] <Pizbit> jnc: for...?
[04:04] <jnc> cannot attempt installation of ACT! in wine without first doing IE 5.5 or newer
[04:05] <holycow> hey dudes
[04:05] <holycow> wow
[04:05] <holycow> look at all the people here toniiiiight!
[04:05] <Pizbit> holycow: There's usually heaps
[04:06] <jason_> hey
[04:06] <kapput1> hi jason_
[04:06] <jason_> has anybody x.org 6.81 working yet?
[04:06] <poyayan> when I try to open a file with mplayer it pops up alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: No Such file or directory
[04:06] <poyayan> anyone know how to fix that?
[04:06] <jnc> can i net-install ubuntu if i do not have a working cd burner, tonight?
[04:06] <jnc> i.e. can i boot from floppy disks
[04:07] <jnc> and have support for a usb-network device to net install
[04:08] <unitd> hi
[04:08] <unitd> when i make a selection box on desktop, my cpu load spikes
[04:08] <unitd> anyone know why?
[04:08] <jnc> i'm part of #unit-e
[04:09] <unitd> ddDdd ;p
[04:09] <holycow> would it be fair to characterize ubuntu as a subset of customized debian packages?
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB>  no
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu is <3
[04:09] <mhess> has anyone tried Expocity?
[04:10] <holycow> how much customization is there actually? seems like quite  a lot, however, ideally one would hope it would be simply an adjunct repository that replaces/upgrades certain packages no? or are is the customization much deeper?
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> well, especially given that ubuntu uses GNOME 2.8
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> and 2.6.8.1 as well as a whole host of other stuff
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> the core is quite different
[04:11] <Pizbit> holycow: They took a snapshot of sarge around june, then brang in selected updated packages and added customisations for the sake of usability and whatnot
[04:11] <jnc> are there problems with ubuntu and windows networking?
[04:11] <Pizbit> OR something along those lines.
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> the 'universe' packages, however are simply debian packages
[04:11] <Pizbit> jnc: Nope, samba:)
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> recompiled to suit ubuntu
[04:11] <jnc> i need to print to an epson 870 that is share from a windows XP box
[04:12] <jnc> on debian sarge, i tried configuring it in CUPS
[04:12] <jnc> but it was not authorized
[04:12] <holycow> okay interesting
[04:12] <jnc> i don't know why but it thought it required a password
[04:12] <jnc> and i could not find where to provide one
[04:12] <holycow> i'm trying to wrap my mind around the idea of not running debian proper
[04:12] <holycow> i love the updates in ubuntu, i have a hard time letting go of debian
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> holycow: I didn't have a hard time
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> you install it just once
[04:12] <holycow> afterall ians company tried the same thing
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> and you see the niceness :)
[04:12] <mdz> holycow: Ubuntu is a complete Debian-derived distribution which includes carefully chosen defaults and enhancements from the installer through the desktop and more
[04:12] <mdz> holycow: it's more than just a some customized packages
[04:13] <mdz> s/a some/some/
[04:13] <Stalione>  I have few wireless networks accessible (lucky me) but I want to only connect to mine. During my initial install I left the wireless card pick whatever was accessible (linksys network in this case).  I think becasue of that its using it as default. what config file do i edit to be able to specify my wireless network settings?
[04:13] <mdz> Stalione: computer->system configuration->networking
[04:13] <holycow> how much of the customization is being submitted back to debian proper as proposals? ubuntu has a lot of great ideas
[04:13] <MagicFab> jnc> still there ?
[04:13] <jnc> yes
[04:13] <TheMuso> mdz: How would one go about setting up wireless on the console?
[04:13] <TheMuso> To save settings.
[04:14] <mdz> jnc: stock cupsys does require a password; Ubuntu cupsys is modified to allow administration by users in the lpadmin group
[04:14] <MagicFab> jnc> I searched the forums for "network install", there was this:
[04:14] <mdz> TheMuso: /etc/network/interfaces
[04:14] <MagicFab> jnc> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2068&highlight=network+install
[04:14] <jnc> MagicFab: thanks!
[04:14] <TheMuso> mdz: Thanks.
[04:14] <Stalione> mdz, :-) That was the first thing I treid but it errors out saying "Failed to run network-admin as user root: Child terminated with 1 status"
[04:14] <kapputu> mdz: how do I keep my wireless connection from dropping ?
[04:14] <Blondeguy> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3103
[04:14] <holycow> oh i see right, a lot of ubuntu will never make it into debian proper because of the debian social contract and security and organization
[04:14] <mdz> holycow: we send all of our bug fixes upstream, other things on a case-by-case basis where they make sense
[04:14] <holycow> okay makes sense
[04:14] <mdz> Stalione: did you remember to type your login password?
[04:14] <HrdwrBoB> Stalione: did you enter your password?
[04:14] <holycow> mdz, cool
[04:14] <Stalione> mdz, however if I use iwconfig, I can change the card settings
[04:15] <Stalione> mdz, yes.
[04:15] <jnc> would it be fair to characterize ubuntu as a spawn of debian?
[04:15] <mdz> holycow: right, many of the choices that we've made are distribution-wide policy changes, and so Debian would need to make a decision as a group to go in that direction
[04:15] <lifeless> haha. 'spawn of'
[04:15] <mdz> Stalione: and you can set all of the same options in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:15] <willys> Have a HP PSC-750, the printer part work fine. Can't get the scanner to work or see anyplace to set it up. On other distros I use ptal-init, doesn't seem to be there. Any ideas?
[04:15] <mdz> Stalione: /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian
[04:16] <Stalione> mdz, thanks. thats what I was looking for...good old config files.
[04:16] <lifeless> I so need that on a t-shirt. Warty, as a charicature, with the caption 'spawn of debian'
[04:16] <mdz> jnc: that would be fair, yes
[04:16] <holycow> mdz, has any discussion been had around getting together with other organizations and putting together something along the lines of active directory (in the sense that ad is more than just ldap) ... gnome/ubuntu/ad would really be superbly killer
[04:16] <mdz> jnc: you could also think of it as an evolutionary step :-)
[04:17] <holycow> the reason i ask is the thought occured to me that all debian packages that have the need could be patched up to support ldap to various degrees for example
[04:17] <jnc> mdz: debian is kerry, ubuntu is edwards ?
[04:17] <holycow> and ad style permissions/environment controls, could really be killer as an idea anyway
[04:17] <mdz> holycow: I'm not intimately familiar with active directory; what does it provide beyond authentication/account management?
[04:17] <ljlane> Does ubuntu straight out-of-the-box handle floppy disk automouting?
[04:18] <ljlane> +n
[04:18] <HrdwrBoB> floppy disks?
[04:18] <holycow> i'm a newb as well, but ad provides dhcp controls as well as environment and profile management which affects the users accounts
[04:18] <Pizbit> HrdwrBoB: Those things on the 5th floor of the world computer museum:)
[04:18] <jnc> not sure what ad is
[04:18] <jnc> i will find out eh?
[04:18] <holycow> i.e. one can control the start menu, and various apps that support it
[04:18] <HrdwrBoB> active directory ?
[04:18] <mdz> ljlane: if by automounting, you mean automatically mounting when a disk is inserted, I don't think that can be done with floppy hardware except by continuously attempting to access the disk (there is no way to detect the presence of a floppy in the drive)
[04:18] <MagicFab> How do I make Ubuntu mount my USB key ?
[04:19] <ljlane> mdz: ah
[04:19] <Pizbit> MagicFab: Should be automatic
[04:19] <mdz> holycow: hm, so site-wide configuration
[04:19] <HrdwrBoB> ljlane: which on PC hardware is retarded
[04:19] <mdz> holycow: yes, we've talked about some similar ideas
[04:19] <MagicFab> A "usb0" disk is detected in "Computer disks" but I can't access it
[04:19] <holycow> so for example, one could theoretically add a push model to gnome/ubuntu/debian, push apps, customize users environment, control systems via schemas, etc.
[04:19] <holycow> mdz, cool, just curious
[04:19] <holycow> mdz, i would be willing to pay for such a feature
[04:19] <HrdwrBoB> holycow: many people do that now in theiur own environment
[04:19] <mdz> MagicFab: should be automatically mounted and a window opened on the desktop
[04:20] <holycow> with even a limited number of apps supported
[04:20] <jnc> MagicFab: crap.  it describes using PXE / etherboot
[04:20] <jnc> not supported with USB-ethernet
[04:20] <mdz> MagicFab: what kind of filesystem do you have on it?
[04:20] <MagicFab> mdz> FAT16
[04:20] <holycow> HrdwrBoB, i run 175 systems accross 4000 kms worth of land area *ie. coast to coast*
[04:20] <MagicFab> mdz> It's a JumpDrive Trio
[04:20] <holycow> having a unix environment that has the ad style capacities would be very helpfull as we are at the very least moving to debian
[04:21] <holycow> perhaps ubuntu depending on research :)
[04:21] <MagicFab> mdz> running on ubuntu without any upgrades (yet)
[04:21] <holycow> and considering its all open source.... we can far outstrip even microsofts wildest dreams of an integrated environment
[04:21] <mdz> MagicFab: did you upgrade from Debian or install fresh?
[04:21] <mdz> holycow: are you looking at commercial support options?
[04:22] <MagicFab> mdz> fresh install, no updates after that (haven't got the Wifi installed yet)
[04:22] <holycow> mdz, yes, but novell is out of the question vis a vis suse
[04:22] <mdz> MagicFab: assuming you installed the final 4.10 release, there are no updates except security fixes
[04:22] <holycow> it has to be debian or debian based
[04:22] <mdz> holycow: I meant support options for Debian
[04:22] <MagicFab> mdz> ok - strange it doesn't mount
[04:22] <max_> my wireless connection only works if its not encrypted...any ideas
[04:22] <holycow> yes and no, right now i'm in the research phase
[04:23] <mdz> MagicFab: there is a bug open here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1727
[04:23] <holycow> i have a coder that has experience with gnome that i hope to hire on to do some primitive customization
[04:23] <mdz> MagicFab: though in that case, it sometimes works
[04:23] <mdz> MagicFab: you should probably file a bug, and attach the information which was requested of the user in #1727
[04:24] <holycow> but greater scope discussion is really important to not reinvent the wheel so to speak
[04:24] <jgeorgeson> anyone know the plans for swsusp in hoary? (since it seems  to not be inwarty)
[04:24] <mdz> holycow: let me know if you have any questions about deploying Ubuntu in such an environment
[04:24] <MagicFab> mdz> Tx. just getting my feet wet, will do.
[04:24] <holycow> mdz cool, are you here often?
[04:24] <mdz> holycow: you might say that :->
[04:25] <HrdwrBoB> hehe
[04:25] <holycow> ehe cool, support costs would be fine, redhat/microsoft type shit is out of the window however
[04:26] <willys> Is there a way to have multiple desktops in gnome?
[04:27] <mdz> holycow: we're in the process of putting together our commercial support packages; I'd be interested to hear your requirements
[04:27] <Pizbit> Multiple logins you mean?
[04:27] <djtansey> does anyone here know of a sync (one-way) utility that would let me sync my HD (or just some directories) to an external (USB) drive? only one way though (so it doesn't copy it back to my harddrive if it is on my external but does copy from my harddrive to my external)
[04:27] <Pizbit> willys: If you mean virtual desktops then yes, and you can add to the taskbar "Work Space Switcher"
[04:28] <holycow> sweet, i think with debian you guys will be able to offer many price points, and unique product in comparison to say redhat
[04:28] <mdz> djtansey: on the command line, rsync is what you want
[04:28] <willys> That's what I'm talking about.
[04:28] <jnc> willys: 'gnome-settings-daemon'
[04:29] <jnc> will change the background desktop for you with each workspace
[04:29] <djtansey> mdz: i can deal with command line. have you used rsync much? pretty easy to set up?
[04:29] <mdz> djtansey: I use it every day, and there is no setup for an operation like you described
[04:29] <mdz> djtansey: rsync -a /path/to/source /path/to/destination
[04:30] <willys> Got it thanks all!!
[04:30] <djtansey> mdz: what does -a do?
[04:30] <willys> Now if I could get my PSC-750 to scan I would be happy.
[04:30] <mdz> djtansey: copies directories recursively, preserving ownership, permissions, timestamps, etc.
[04:30] <holycow> mdz, thanks for all the info
[04:30] <Pizbit> mdz: Very much like -a for cp?
[04:30] <mdz> holycow: no problem; mail me at mdz@canonical.com, or support@canonical.com if you're interested in our support offering
[04:31] <mdz> Pizbit: exactly
[04:31] <MagicFab> Thanks & g'night
[04:31] <Pizbit> MagicFab: Laters
[04:31] <holycow> will do, appreciate it
[04:31] <djtansey> mdz: very cool. thanks. didn't know it was that easy. looked at rsync but --backup seemed to be the best. i just saw the manpage. archive is very cool.
[04:31] <djtansey> mdz: thanks
[04:35] <jason_> does anybody have x.org 6.8.1 working yet?
[04:36] <jdub> jason_: it's coming to hoary 'soon'
[04:37] <fabbione> jason_: almost :-) working on it
[04:37] <holycow> jdub, hey :) really?
[04:37] <holycow> neat
[04:37] <holycow> are you guys helping the debian x team or whatever with the xorg implementation?
[04:38] <fabbione> holycow: i am working on X.org both for ubuntu and Debian
[04:38] <holycow> rofl
[04:38] <holycow> dude thats so cool
[04:38] <holycow> neato
[04:39] <bur[n] er> i thought debian was waiting till x.org was more mature and to find out whether the monolithic or modular approach to x.org was better
[04:39] <bur[n] er> i could be totally wrong
[04:39] <holycow> btw, a small thing, but i must congratulate you guys on your apps/computer pulldown menu reorganization
[04:40] <holycow> that totally makes sense, and funny, i had hoped to see something like that one day
[04:40] <mdz> holycow: we'll be doing even more in that direction for Hoary
[04:40] <holycow> i was very surprised to see that, nice attention to detail
[04:40] <holycow> nice work
[04:40] <jason_> I get a compile error
[04:41] <Gmail> eeeek
[04:41] <HrdwrBoB> jason_: doing what?
[04:41] <jason_> did you have many problems compiling it fabbione
[04:41] <jason_> ?
[04:41] <amathis> anyone here tried to install/run quake2 from apt-get?
[04:41] <amathis> LoadLibrary("ref_softx.so") failed: No such file or directory
[04:41] <jason_> compiling x.org current
[04:42] <jdub> amathis: quake2 in warty universe is b0rked atm
[04:42] <amathis> darnit :/
[04:42] <amathis> any other good commercial 3d gameS?
[04:42] <Pizbit> Unreal
[04:42] <fabbione> jason_: yes some... but i fixed them
[04:43] <holycow> doom3 amathis ?
[04:43] <amathis> E: Couldn't find package doom3
[04:43] <jason_> lbx_zlib.c:541: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
[04:43] <jason_> make[5] : *** [lbx_zlib.o]  Error 1
[04:43] <jason_> make[5] : Leaving directory `/home/jason/xc/lib/lbxutil/lbx_zlib'
[04:43] <jason_> make[4] : *** [lbx_zlib]  Error 2
[04:43] <jason_> \did you get an error like that?
[04:43] <holycow> lol oh you mean that? :)
[04:44] <fabbione> jason_: no because i use a pretty much patched configured config/cf
[04:44] <fabbione> jason_: that lib is built if you use x.org internal zlib, that i don't
[04:44] <amathis> Pizbit, elaborate?
[04:44] <amathis> please
[04:44] <Pizbit> amathis: You never heard of Unreal Tournament?
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> amathis: doom3, or unreal tournament 2004
[04:44] <jason_> fabbione do you have debs built yet that people could test?
[04:44] <amathis> Pizbit, yes.
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> buy either of them off the shelf
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> UT2k4 is better
[04:45] <jason_> I'd be willing to test it
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> because it has the install on the CD
[04:45] <fabbione> jason_: no, otherwise they would be up somewhere :)
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> this is a problem :)
[04:45] <amathis> I meant for free, in apt-get
[04:45] <jason_> kk
[04:45] <Pizbit> Yeah, I've only tried the demo for UT2K4 on linux, worked fine
[04:45] <amathis> enemy territory is cool too,
[04:45] <Pizbit> Wont buy the game since my graphics card sucks too much hehe
[04:45] <Foxfyre> I have seen the promised land! And it is Ubuntu!
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> I have too many games
[04:45] <Pizbit> (And I'm a poor student etc etc etc)
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> bought ut2k4 and doom
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> 3
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> Foxfyre: indeed
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> it is pretty though :)
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> I played it at night
[04:46] <Pizbit> jason_: You seen it on high quality?
[04:46] <jnc> btw, why is the ubuntu splash screen a down-shirt view of two females and a shirtless male?
[04:46] <amathis> so, no good games in apt-get?
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> jnc: because it's pretty :)
[04:46] <jason_> so yes
[04:46] <Pizbit> jnc: That got reverted for the full release
[04:46] <jason_> I have
[04:46] <jdub> jnc: that's the release candidate artwork, it was changed for the final release
[04:47] <jason_> graphics are cool but I want good gameplay
[04:47] <jnc> who ARE those people
[04:47] <jason_> the game bored me
[04:47] <jason_> I want half-life 2
[04:47] <Pizbit> jnc: Some models in S.Africa I think
[04:47] <jnc> oh
[04:47] <jnc> makes sense
[04:47] <jason_> I'd do 'em
[04:47] <jason_> except the guy
[04:47] <HrdwrBoB> jason_: all of them?
[04:47] <HrdwrBoB> hah
[04:47] <amathis> :P
[04:47] <jnc> jason_: you'd do the guy too
[04:47] <Foxfyre> Where does apt install programs too?
[04:47] <amathis> jason_, you know you want to.
[04:48] <HrdwrBoB> Foxfyre: it installs the programs to the locations set out in each package
[04:48] <HrdwrBoB> Foxfyre: but it records that and data about the package when it installs it
[04:48] <kapputu> mplayer-plugin doesn't play avi
[04:48] <kapputu> in firefox
[04:48] <jason_> is there a totem plugin?
[04:48] <Foxfyre> Like I'm trying to find where it installed thunderbird.
[04:49] <oddabe19> Foxfyre, just open a terminal and type thunderbird
[04:49] <thoreauputic> Foxfyre: type  which thunderbird  or whereis thunderbird in a terminal
[04:49] <Pizbit> kapputu: Does it play avi outside of firefox?
[04:49] <Foxfyre> no, I needed the folder, I found it in Synaptic
[04:49] <Foxfyre> thanks
[04:49] <amathis> E: Couldn't find package mplayer
[04:49] <Pizbit> Foxfyre: Applications menu -> Internet
[04:49] <amathis> holy crap
[04:49] <Pizbit> amathis: You need to use the marilat(sp) repository
[04:49] <kapputu> nope
[04:49] <kapputu> the problem could be with the avi
[04:50] <amathis> Pizbit, ?
[04:50] <Pizbit> kapputu: Got the w32codecs package?
[04:50] <kapputu> yeah
[04:50] <Pizbit> kapputu: Probably the avi then
[04:50] <Foxfyre> I'm trying to partially migrate from Windows to Linux, and I've discovered mozbackup only runs in windows. As it stores its file in *.pcv which is just a zip folder, I'm seeing if I can just overwrite files or not.
[04:50] <Pizbit> amathis: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:51] <Pizbit> Foxfyre: Is this just a backup of your profile folder?
[04:51] <Foxfyre> Not directly
[04:52] <kapputu> Pizbit: I'm sure you have never heard of Microsoft too ;-)
[04:52] <Pizbit> Hahaha
[04:52] <kapputu> the one we don't speak of !!
[04:52] <amathis> Pizbit, how do I add this to my sources?
[04:52] <Pizbit> It is true, windows is not installed on my computer, I admit it. Sadly, even though it's long gone I'm still the one of my friends who supplies all the windows help
[04:53] <kapputu> ok I'm having a problem
[04:53] <kapputu> when I tried to install gnumeric on my desktop, I got a bundle or errors about an assertion failing in eggdesktopentries.c
[04:53] <kapputu> now when I try to install totem on my laptop I get the same error
[04:53] <kapputu> any idea what the problem is
[04:54] <Pizbit> amathis: Thatnpage has all the info you need, if you want to know how to use synaptic then look at the synaptic howto linked in the questionable packages part
[04:54] <amathis> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat
[04:54] <amathis> will that work for my /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[04:55] <Pizbit> No
[04:55] <Foxfyre> Alright, back to windows to backup in another form..
[04:55] <Foxfyre> be back later
[04:55] <Pizbit> If you insist on doing it via editing the file then you'll want to add: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[04:56] <kapputu> hmm the problem was with the avi
[04:57] <amathis> dang
[04:57] <Pizbit> ?
[04:57] <amathis> mplayer-i386 is a broken package
[04:58] <kapputu> libartsc0 ??
[04:58] <amathis> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:58] <amathis>   mplayer-386: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.3.0) but 1.2.3-1 is to be installed
[04:58] <amathis>                Depends: libggi2 (>= 1:2.0.5) but it is not going to be installed               Depends: libungif4g (>= 4.1.3) but 4.1.0b1-6 is to be installed
[04:58] <amathis> E: Broken packages
[04:58] <Pizbit> amathis: *shrug* mplayer isn't that great really, the main thing to get is w32codecs
[04:58] <kapputu> do you have an AMD ?
[04:58] <kapputu> ok
[04:58] <tseng> xine can use w32codecs also
[04:59] <kapputu> you have to add testing to the marillat source
[04:59] <kapputu> instead of unstable
[04:59] <kapputu> and it works
[04:59] <amathis> totem is a piece of sh*t
[04:59] <Pizbit> Yeah, install xine :)
[05:00] <srbaker> totem is cool.  gstreamer is troublesome, though
[05:00] <jdub> install totem-xine
[05:00] <srbaker> you want totem-xime
[05:00] <srbaker> totem-xine
[05:00] <kapputu> is there a plugin for firefox ?
[05:01] <amathis> ah
[05:01] <amathis> xine is pretty cool
[05:01] <amathis> now all I need is some good porn.
[05:01] <amathis> :)
[05:01] <Pizbit> *cough*127.0.....
[05:02] <amathis> :P
[05:02] <bitserf> hello...i'm having trouble getting my ipod working...it used to work, suddenly now i get just these messages:
[05:02] <bitserf> ieee1394: Node added: ID:BUS[0-01:1023]   GUID[000a270002762d57] 
[05:02] <bitserf> ieee1394: The root node is not cycle master capable; selecting a new root node and resetting...
[05:02] <amathis> ... if anyone has any to give... *wink* *wink*
[05:02] <Pizbit> Heh, nah
[05:02] <bitserf> i reformatted my ipod, it works under windows and freebsd...what broke? :(
[05:02] <bitserf> running warty
[05:02] <Pizbit> Besides my net connection is capped to dialup speeds for another few days, went over the 10GB limit
[05:02] <Gmail> mirror.isp.net.au IS STILL rsycning it almost a week
[05:02] <amathis> ooo
[05:03] <amathis> that would be sweet.
[05:03] <Gmail> d/m it just finished asycning
[05:03] <lifeless> google for porn-get
[05:03] <Pizbit> There's pornview, but that's just an image viewer.
[05:03] <carger314> you could also get Gnaughty
[05:03] <carger314> assuming you're a GNOME user
[05:03] <Gmail> LANG!
[05:03] <Gmail> WATCH IT!
[05:04] <Pizbit> carger314: You're saying this in a channel for a distro that doesn't support kde...
[05:04] <carger314> but some people have installed KDE on ubuntu
[05:04] <amathis> I have..
[05:04] <carger314> my brother did, at least
[05:04] <amathis> it runs fine :P
[05:04] <Pizbit> Those people are dillusional.
[05:04] <amathis> though, I like fluxbox
[05:04] <Pizbit> The only kde app worth knowing is amaroK *evil bigoted grin*
[05:05] <carger314> k3b is the only kde app i like
[05:05] <carger314> its actually the only cd burner program that *works*
[05:05] <holycow> kd3 has its charms, but having tried gnome 2.8, most of them went away with the speedy gnome gui
[05:05] <holycow> kde even :) lol
[05:06] <amathis> how do I install a .deb?
[05:07] <Gmail> amathis: dpkg -i <<file>
[05:07] <thoreauputic> amathis: dpkg -i <package>
[05:07] <Gmail> amathis: dpkg -i <file>
[05:07] <Gmail> thoreauputic: I SAID it first opps caps lock
[05:07] <amathis> holy cow
[05:07] <thoreauputic> whatever....  :)
[05:08] <thoreauputic> Gmail: You win ;)
[05:08] <hikaru79_> o_o
[05:08] <Gmail> !win Gmail
[05:08] <Gmail> eeeek where is dpkg
[05:08] <thoreauputic> Hikaru79: @_@
[05:08] <Hikaru79> LOL
[05:08] <Hikaru79> =/
[05:09] <ionrock> hello all, I was having trouble with my keyboard. if i have it set where holding down the key repeats the character then it makes it impossible to type without having way too many characters show up
[05:09] <ionrock> it happens on other keys like the spacebar, tab, enter, etc
[05:09] <ionrock> you can see the cursor flashing very inconsistantly and quickly as well
 !win Gmail
 Congratulations, Gmail! You have won the US presidency!
[05:09] <thoreauputic> Gmail: there you go :)
[05:10] <Gmail> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT
[05:10] <amathis> darn, gnaughty ain't working :P
[05:10] <Gmail> winblow is illegal
[05:11] <Gmail> BSD is illegal
[05:11] <kapputu> wb Pizbit
[05:11] <Gmail> sco unix illegal, mac illegal.... linux legal, kde illegal, gnome legal
[05:11] <Gmail> wb Pizbit^
[05:12] <carger314> what about slackware?
[05:12] <Pizbit^> Thanks, danged router likes to die
[05:12] <thoreauputic> carger314: nah, Slackware is allowed :0
[05:13] <GotD0t> does anybody know what the hald command is? its taking up 10% of my mem and my comp seems to be running slowly lately
[05:13] <carger314> w00t. even though i have no clue how to use it, i am in jubiliation that it is legal
[05:13] <kapputu> the halt command is `shutdown now `
[05:13] <Pizbit^> -h now
[05:13] <GotD0t> HALD
[05:13] <GotD0t> oops
[05:13] <GotD0t> hald*
[05:14] <Pizbit^> GotD0t: man half
[05:14] <Pizbit^> er, man hald
[05:14] <thoreauputic> GotD0t: heh -just remove the caps lock key ;)
[05:14] <amathis> dangit.. stupid gnaughty won't work.
[05:14] <GotD0t> i use it though
[05:14] <Pizbit^> GotD0t: What for?:)
[05:15] <GotD0t> trust me... i do
[05:15] <Pizbit^> Strange:)
[05:17] <thoreauputic> GotD0t: useful for chatting with AOL kiddies ;)  I'M A 1337 |-|axx0R ! YEAH !
[05:19] <Pizbit^> Tehehehe "
[05:19] <Pizbit^> Bug 262173 - Firefox Icon Problem - new firefox icon appears to be giant red panda that is humping south america"
[05:20] <Pizbit^> (Explanation: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/quips.cgi )
[05:20] <thoreauputic> heheheh :)
[05:20] <Pizbit^> I did a double take when I saw that heh
[05:20] <amathis> http://pastebin.arslinux.com/384
[05:21] <amathis> lookit..
[05:21] <amathis> anyone have any clues?
[05:21] <Pizbit^> Haha, great hostname and login
[05:21] <jnc> glade being naughty?
[05:21] <amathis> Pizbit:P
[05:21] <amathis> I don't know..
[05:22] <amathis> I have everything installed.
[05:23] <WW> Hello world.
[05:23] <Pizbit^> gnaaargh, page wont load.
[05:23] <HrdwrBoB> hello
[05:23] <WW> I am getting disk accesses every 2-3 seconds.  How can I track down what is causing this?
[05:24] <WW> I have exited all the apps that I had been running.
[05:24] <Pizbit^> WW: Not trying to play an mp3 are you? Journalling might be some of it.
[05:24] <mdz> GotD0t: hald collects information about your hardware, which is used by applications in the desktop
[05:24] <WW> Pizbit^: Nope.
[05:24] <GotD0t> thanks mdz
[05:24] <mdz> GotD0t: it should never use a lot of CPU resources
[05:24] <Pizbit^> WW: You're on irc, got logging on?
[05:24] <mdz> GotD0t: if it is, something is wrong, possibly a bug in hald
[05:25] <WW> Pizbit^: OK, I started GAIM to ask the question :)
[05:25] <GotD0t> mdz doesnt seem to get above 1% of cpu usage
[05:25] <mdz> GotD0t: ah, harmless enough then
[05:25] <Pizbit^> WW: It's not a huge amount is it? What's showing you the disk access? To me it sounds perfectly normal
[05:26] <mdz> from time to time, it will wake up and check a few things
[05:26] <mdz> whether a CD has been inserted, that sort of thing
[05:26] <GotD0t> k
[05:26] <GotD0t> thanks
[05:26] <GotD0t> uses a steady 10% of mem though
[05:26] <thoreauputic> GotD0t: gkrellm shows regular disk accesses like that here too - nothing to worry about
[05:27] <Pizbit^> thoreauputic: -> ww
[05:27] <WW> Pizbit^: I can hear disk access and see the LED flicker every 2-3 seconds.  It's probably perfectly normal, but I'd like to find out.
[05:27] <thoreauputic> oops sorry
[05:27] <kapputu> ok night all
[05:27] <amathis> Pizbit^, ok, so gnaughty is fscked up.. what else?
[05:28] <mdz> GotD0t: that figure (memory usage for a process) generally lies
[05:28] <Pizbit^> amathis: Uh, no idea?
[05:28] <amathis> Pizbit^, any other progs?
[05:28] <GotD0t> mdz oh?
[05:30] <mdz> GotD0t: yes, in a modern operating system, it's rather difficult to say exactly how much memory an individual process is using
[05:30] <GotD0t> mdz why is that
[05:30] <justdave> I have an interesting situation with the ntp daemon startup on one of my machines...
[05:30] <justdave> that machine is also the nameserver for my LAN...
[05:30] <justdave> and named starts after ntpd
[05:30] <mdz> GotD0t: processes share memory, map files into memory, and other such things which affect that number in unintuitive ways
[05:30] <justdave> so it can't find ntp.ubuntulinux.org
[05:31] <GotD0t> mdz oh ok
[05:31] <justdave> proper solution to that is to stick ntp.ubuntulinux.org in the /etc/hosts file probably?
[05:33] <Pizbit^> justdave: Or you could have it run later
[05:33] <amathis> what is a good gnutella type app?
[05:34] <HiddenWolf> Hm, What do I have to do to get rid of 'You don't have permission to access /index.php on this server.' on apache?
[05:35] <mdz> justdave: hmm, no, hardcoding it would not be best
[05:36] <mdz> justdave: I think ntpdate runs too early, actually
[05:37] <justdave> all the redhat servers I've run in the past use only IP addresses in the ntpd config
[05:37] <justdave> presumably for that reason.
[05:37] <justdave> the domain name was always in a comment after the IP address in the config file
[05:38] <thellis> how do i put a wastebasket on my desktop?
[05:38] <thellis> not a link to the folder, but the applet itself?
[05:39] <thellis> neone know?
[05:39] <Pizbit> alt+f2 and run gconf-editor then go to apps/nautilus/desktop and tick the trash_icon_visible
[05:40] <aTypical> Hello, all.  Total Ubuntu n00b here.  I've just installed and don't know how I'm supposed to change/set the root password.  Is there a default that is used?
[05:40] <Pizbit> Use sudo
[05:40] <mdz> justdave: that's fine if you're dealing with a private LAN where you allocate your own IP addresses, but on the public Internet, renumbering is a fact of life
[05:40] <mdz> aTypical: this is in the FAQ, which is linked from the channel topic
[05:40] <aTypical> mdz, cool.  Thank you.
[05:41] <Pizbit> mdz: Ya think maybe the installer should user bigger text informing people about sudo?:)
[05:41] <mdz> Pizbit: do you think it should <blink>? :-)
[05:41] <Pizbit> Oh yeah, definately, and marquee!
[05:41] <MarLaw> Hi!
[05:41] <Pizbit> G'mornin
[05:41] <MarLaw> How a nice channel!
[05:42] <MarLaw> I'm Lawrence, how are all of you ?
[05:43] <WW> MarLaw: Just dandy... (but I hope you don't expect all 241 people/bots to answer... it could take a while! :)
[05:43] <MarLaw> yes, i mean, just who is listening .. like u!
[05:43] <MarLaw> Where are you from WW ?
[05:44] <MarLaw> anyway, I heard about ubuntu and I'm take a look around
[05:45] <MarLaw> right now i'm using unstable
[05:45] <MarLaw> debian
[05:45] <Pizbit> Do you use gnome?
[05:45] <WW> Pizbit, mdz, others: There was a good idea posted in the mailiing list, concerning a startup web page (or something) that comes up the first time someone logs in.  This could point to the FAQ, and also include a prominet reminder about the root password.
[05:45] <WW> prominent*
[05:45] <MarLaw> Pizbit: I'm using fluxbox but I'm sure ur not talking with me
[05:45] <mdz> WW: I think we talked about that, and the consensus was that people ignore things like that :-/
[05:45] <Pizbit> MarLaw: I was.
[05:46] <MarLaw> ah ok
[05:46] <mdz> if something pops up without being asked for, the impulse seems to be to dismiss it immediately
[05:46] <Pizbit> Yup!
[05:46] <MarLaw> i tryed .. but i don't feel good with
[05:46] <MarLaw> i prefer KDE or fluxbox
[05:46] <Pizbit> You'll learn to like gnome;)
[05:46] <WW> mdz, Pizbit:  Hmmm, true.
[05:47] <MarLaw> maybe, but with gnome i have audio problems .. maybw cause i want to use arts + alsa
[05:47] <Pizbit> Why arts? All the kde people I talk to despise it.
[05:47] <MarLaw> anyway, is possible to upgrade from unstable (one week ago) to ubuntu or i have to wait a while ?
[05:47] <aTypical> mdz, I would have read it. :-)
[05:47] <mdz> aTypical: but you're atypical
[05:48] <MarLaw> u think that ESD is better ?
[05:48] <WW> Maybe modify gdm to check for the username root, and THEN bring up the flashing marquee (with sounds, too).
[05:48] <aTypical> lol
[05:48] <jdub> WW: gdm is set to disallow root logins
[05:48] <tmartin> happy hallween
[05:48] <tmartin> anyone know a way to run 32 bit apps on 64bit ubuntu?
[05:49] <MarLaw> halloween wasn't yeasterday ?
[05:49] <mdz> tmartin: basic 32-bit compatibility libraries are provided by default
[05:49] <WW> Jdug: Yes, I know.  I meant (tongue-in-cheek) that the code could specifically check for the username "root"...
[05:49] <mdz> tmartin: but you can't currently install 32-bit packages
[05:49] <mdz> except where they are explicitly provided for the amd64 architecture
[05:49] <WW> s/jdug/jdub/
[05:49] <tmartin> mdz: so then im out in the cold basically
[05:50] <mdz> tmartin: that doesn't sound like what I said...
[05:50] <tmartin> i can compile them myself?
[05:50] <mdz> tmartin: what program do you need?
[05:50] <Pizbit> Mmkay, time to reboot:)
[05:50] <tmartin> well id like to get flash working in firefox
[05:50] <mdz> hmm, that's an unfortunate one
[05:51] <jdub> WW: the code does specifically check for the username 'root'
[05:51] <mdz> building a 32-bit firefox requires 32-bit versions of many libraries
[05:51] <jdub> ok, straw poll
[05:51] <jdub> who do you prefer?
[05:51] <jdub> eilene -> blonde
[05:51] <jdub> k-mel -> the dude
[05:51] <jdub> osana -> african girl
[05:51] <tmartin> well ive no problem installing libraries, got plenty of space
[05:51] <mdz> they are all african
[05:51] <MarLaw> during the installation of ubuntu can i choose KDE instead of GNOME ?
[05:52] <jdub> MarLaw: no, kde is not supported
[05:52] <mdz> MarLaw: no...you can install it afterward if you decide you really want it.  try GNOME first, though :-)
[05:52] <MarLaw> i tryed
[05:52] <MarLaw> is too heavy ... usually I put just fluxbox ..
[05:53] <mdz> MarLaw: you find Ubuntu's gnome to be too heavy, and your solution is KDE?  :-o
[05:53] <jdub> ... anyone?
[05:53] <jdub> seriously
[05:53] <MarLaw> no is not .. but you know what I like of the open source world ? the choise
[05:53] <jdub> there are opinions all the time
[05:54] <crimsun> jdub: the pale background :-)
[05:54] <mdz> jdub: none of them are my type
[05:54] <jdub> MarLaw: you have the choice. kde is unsupported, but available in universe.
[05:54] <jdub> mdz: well, i have logo options too, but that'd be boring for the first update. :)
[05:55] <mdz> jdub: the question should be, which of them is more "November"?
[05:55] <Pizbit> duh
[05:55] <MarLaw> that you know, there's any web site or forum that explain how to play games with linux ? Because i will realy love to erase the windows partition that my brother is using for games
[05:55] <Pizbit> I think I totally mis-understood the session-saver gui somehow;)
[05:55] <MarLaw> i don't know , something like C&C Generals
[05:56] <jdub> mdz: y'know, that's very true
[05:56] <Pizbit> Hopefully that works, removed the default session.
[05:56] <jdub> mdz: november is the month of shopping headaches, caused by the early onset of christmas music
[05:57] <Pizbit> Heh
[05:57] <jdub> seriously looking for feedback
[05:57] <jdub> okay, let's do this differently
[05:57] <Pizbit> jdub: What'd I miss?
[05:57] <jdub> i'm going to say names
[05:57] <mdz> jdub: for shopping headaches, definitely the blonde
[05:58] <jdub> and then everyone should cheer immediately afterward
[05:58] <jdub> == Which Ubuntu model do you like best? ==
[05:58] <jdub> Osana? -> the african girl
[05:58] <jdub> yay!
[05:58] <WW> Didn't mdz just say...
[05:58] <jdub> (cheer, people)
[05:59] <mdz> jdub: this is _so_ a top-down decision :-)
[05:59] <WW> Aren't there bugs to be fixed and stuff?
[05:59] <jdub> ok, so no one's cheering for osana?
[05:59] <jdub> K-MEL -> the dude
[05:59] <Pizbit> Haha, no
[06:00] <Pizbit> He's scary.
[06:00] <Pizbit> Yeah, 18 hours ago
[06:00] <jdub> no, during busy times on the channel
[06:01] <Pizbit> Ah
[06:01] <mdz> jdub: are you on DST now as well?
[06:01] <Stalione> TheMuso, Todd_MA_1975: I have fixed my problem with soundcard.  I suspected it was acpi, so added to noacpi option to grub line and bham it works like a charm
[06:02] <jdub> mdz: yeah
[06:02] <TheMuso> Stalione: Good to hear. Didn't even think of that one.
[06:02] <Pizbit> Stalione: Yeah, had that myself too
[06:02] <Stalione> I just came back to report my solution to you guys.  Cheers!
[06:02] <TheMuso> Stalione: Thanks.
[06:02] <Stalione> I guess I never considered it because I had sound working fine in other distros
[06:03] <mdz> Stalione: do you mean acpi=off?
[06:03] <mdz> or pci=noacpi?
[06:03] <Stalione> But then it just hit me...good nighta all.  Special thanks to TheMuso for his patience.  Also as a Gentoo user moving to a new distro I must say I like Ubuntu so far.
[06:03] <Stalione> mdz, pci=noacpi
[06:04] <Stalione> kernel          /vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash vga=791 pci=noacpi
[06:04] <mdz> Stalione, TheMuso: there are some fixes in the works which make that unnecessary in a number of situations, so hopefully it won't be as much of an issue in the future
[06:06] <Stalione> Also Id like to report that as a normal user when I run network-admin and put in root password, it does not work and crashed.  Even if I export display and as root run the tool it fails.  however if I login as root into gnome and then run it, it works.  I saw a lot of bugs regarding network-tool so i didn't bother filing one.
[06:06] <Stalione> Also the network-admin tool is missing a feature of allowing the user to specify which wep key to use
[06:07] <MarLaw> Good Night people
[06:07] <MarLaw> have a fun
[06:07] <magneto> anyone using amarok?
[06:07] <Pizbit> magneto: I am
[06:08] <Stalione> i had to manually modify the /etc/network/interfaces file and use  wireless_key3 mykeyinhex
[06:08] <magneto> Hey there Pizbit: funny meeting you here :)
[06:08] <Pizbit> magneto: Build from cvs and all that.
[06:08] <Pizbit> Hehe, indeed.
[06:09] <magneto> i will retry with cvs - i had just used the 1.1.1 source tarball
[06:09] <Pizbit> It was working with that version too
[06:09] <uioo> hey, on an emac, i can eject the cd drive with the eject key (by setting it up through keyboard shortcuts); is there any way I can make it insert the CD too?
[06:10] <magneto> i was looking for info on the notification panel to see if I could have added something but found nada
[06:10] <Pizbit> Nah, works straight off for me
[06:10] <Pizbit> magneto: What version of kdelibs?
[06:10] <magneto> yeah it worked fine in gentoo for me too
[06:11] <GotD0t> how would i go about getting the courier new font?
[06:11] <magneto> yup thought i had 3.3
[06:12] <magneto> 3.2.3 :( i will retry
[06:12] <mdz> Stalione: it prompts for your user password, not the root password (which is locked by default)
[06:12] <mdz> uioo: does 'eject -t' work?
[06:20] <uioo> mdz: ah, but what I need is for the eject key on my keyboard to work for both opening and closing the drive, like in OS X. I don't have enough keys to map eject -t as well as eject.
[06:21] <mdz> uioo: I was asking whether eject -t worked because I wasn't sure whether the tray-close function of the drive was controllable from software on your system
[06:21] <Stalione> mdz, thanks for clarifying that.  Usually when as a normal user i see a prompt, I assume its asking for root privs.
[06:22] <HrdwrBoB> Stalione: it is asking for root priveleges
[06:22] <HrdwrBoB> but you use your own password to access them
[06:22] <uioo> mdz: it does work
[06:22] <mdz> uioo: then it is certainly possible to have the key work as a toggle
[06:23] <uioo> mdz: how would I go about doing that?
[06:24] <IOM_Detox> help please
[06:24] <IOM_Detox> cant figure out what a ESSID is?????????
[06:25] <HrdwrBoB> IOM_Detox: it's the 'name' of your wireless networ
[06:25] <HrdwrBoB> k
[06:25] <Todd_MA_1975> ESSID is an identifier for you wireless network.
[06:25] <IOM_Detox> how do i find out what it is?
[06:25] <Todd_MA_1975> Check the config of your access point to see what it is.
[06:25] <IOM_Detox> I  have a belkin router
[06:25] <IOM_Detox> ok i am rea.lly new to this
[06:26] <IOM_Detox> how do i check config?
[06:26] <DracosX> try this "iwlist <interface> scanning"
[06:27] <DracosX> that should show you any access points in range
[06:27] <DracosX> sorry if I'm off base, late entry into the conversation
[06:27] <mdz> uioo: pbbuttonsd is the program which handles that
[06:27] <RuffianSoldier> hey all
[06:41] <pigeonflight> I followed the beagle install info at wiki.ubuntu.com/BeagleInstall
[06:42] <pigeonflight> but still haven't gotten best/beagle to work
[06:42] <plovs_work> pigeonflight, if something is not clear, add a comment
[06:43] <plovs_work> we are trying to make the wiki as usefull as possible
[06:43] <pigeonflight> plovs_work: I'm assuming you mean add the comment at the wiki
[06:43] <plovs_work> pigeonflight, yes
[06:43] <HrdwrBoB> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeagleInstallHowto
[06:43] <plovs_work> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BeagleInstallHowto
[06:44] <plovs_work> we are moving to a new wiki :(
[06:44] <Pizbit> Don't like the new one?
[06:44] <plovs_work> i *did* like the old one, and fixing things that aren't broken, but the new one is getting better
[06:44] <plovs_work> it has more content
[06:45] <ionrock> did anyone have any suggestions  about my keyaboard issue?
[06:45] <ionrock> it seems that whenever there is a process in the background, I get repeated characters.
[06:46] <ionrock> this has never haappened before (<- that is an example)
[06:49] <ionrock> I tried changing my keymap to the 105 international but that didn't work. I also tried out the nvidia driver but that didn't work either
[06:50] <ionrock> I am pretty sure I am just stabbing in the dark there
[06:51] <ionrock> one thing that was interesting was that the nvidia installer mentioned that b/c vesafb was running, the nvidia module would have trouble.
[06:52] <Pizbit> Yeah, no idea how to disable it.
[06:52] <Pizbit> All the suggestions given don't work.
[06:52] <cef> anyone else finding the ubuntu archive slow today?
[06:53] <ionrock> I am looking into that vesafb module to see what I find.
[06:57] <ionrock> thhis is  nuuts :(
[06:57] <hypa7ia> anyone running hoary yet?
[06:58] <HiddenWolf> I'm moving as soon as I hear X.org is in and functional
[06:58] <GotD0t> whats so great about X.org?
[06:59] <hypa7ia> it's not xfree86 :-)
[06:59] <HiddenWolf> As of yet, nothing, but it can only get better. :-)
[06:59] <oddabe19> GotD0t, composite, not xfree
[06:59] <HiddenWolf> hypa7ia, amen.
[06:59] <GotD0t> composite?
[06:59] <mbb> I've just made another partition on my warty drive, want to make a complete copy of warty there, for upgrading to hoary.
[06:59] <oddabe19> shadows/transparencies
[06:59] <holycow> freedesktop.org should nicely outline the answer to whats so special abot xorg
[06:59] <hypa7ia> it is the only thing that works with the shiznitty ATI drivers for my lappy
[06:59] <hypa7ia> cool mbb
[06:59] <GotD0t> oh ok
[06:59] <mbb> question, is cp -r the way or is there a better way?
[07:00] <HiddenWolf> hypa7ia? you can't get it to work on ubuntu's Xfree?
[07:00] <bur[n] er> x.org has composite which makes things 'really' transparent
[07:00] <hypa7ia> cuz i'm debating.  i want to get involved in devel on ubuntu, specifically for laptop stuff, and i'm wondering if it's stableish enough yet
[07:00] <DracosX> mbb: find <directories> -print0 -depth | cpio -pmd --verbose --null /destination
[07:00] <GotD0t> what is composite
[07:01] <hypa7ia> as in, i don't mind if something goes hella wrong as long as it doesn't eat my /home
[07:01] <HiddenWolf> An extention which allows for cool features, like transparancy in windows etc.
[07:01] <HiddenWolf> Comes at quite a performance hit tho, and it's alpha
[07:01] <mbb> dracosx: stand by, linux/unix book coming out...
[07:02] <DracosX> heh
[07:02] <HiddenWolf> Can someone name me a decent editor which has html/php syntax-highlighting?
[07:02] <GotD0t> i disabled those queer features in windows
[07:02] <GotD0t> dont see any point to them
[07:02] <HrdwrBoB> HiddenWolf: vim
[07:02] <DracosX> vim
[07:02] <DracosX> er
[07:02] <DracosX> yeah
[07:02] <HiddenWolf> Anything besides?
[07:02] <hypa7ia> HiddenWolf: quanta?
[07:02] <DracosX> kate?
[07:02] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[07:02] <ionrock> HiddenWolf, bluefish,
[07:02] <HrdwrBoB> you could use vim
[07:02] <HrdwrBoB> or vim :)
[07:02] <ionrock> anjuta
[07:03] <DracosX> I'd stick with vim though
[07:03] <ionrock> Screem (although I like bluefish better)
[07:03] <DracosX> sooner or later you'll need it (probably)
[07:03] <DracosX> nvu?
[07:03] <ionrock> nvu is pretty bad
[07:03] <DracosX> never used it
[07:03] <HiddenWolf> Screem is draconic. It crashes on my css file, of all things.
[07:03] <hypa7ia> nvu is getting there :-)
[07:04] <hypa7ia> glazman is teh rox0r
[07:04] <ionrock> yeah I don't like screem at all but it is something...
[07:04] <holycow> quanta needs some love, very crashy, but its getting there too
[07:04] <HiddenWolf> I just want something with just about the features of 'crimson editor' for winblows
[07:04] <FLeiXiuS> Roar
[07:04] <FLeiXiuS> :-)
[07:05] <DracosX> hmm - if it's features you want, you can't go wrong with emacs
[07:05] <ionrock> HiddenWolf, what is it like, i have never heard of it
[07:05] <hypa7ia> emacs is so beautiful but it makes my feeble mind hurt
[07:06] <HiddenWolf> All that crimson editor misses is code completion, imho.
[07:06] <pigeonflight> we do web development with zope/plone I've found  zope + zope external editor + nedit is quite adequate for people coming from windows with a good markup background
[07:07] <DracosX> if you don't mind buying a license, (unless something has changed) the Zend IDE is great
[07:07] <lanemt> why isn't snytax highlighting enabled by default in vi ?
[07:07] <HiddenWolf> If it's got syntax highlighting, is rock-stable, and can actually distinguish between html and php, functions and variables, we'll be getting along.
[07:08] <DracosX> IIRC there is a trial license for the zend ide if you want to check it out
[07:08] <mbb> dracosx: OK, ready. but is the '-print0' a typo, maybe just '-print'?
[07:08] <HiddenWolf> DracosX. I'm building my new company's website. If it'll run I'll be able to get good stuff. :-)
[07:08] <DracosX> nope, -print0 is correct
[07:08] <GotD0t> would it be possible for me to get the Courier New font for use in openoffice.org?
[07:09] <hypa7ia> you want the mstcorefonts package
[07:09] <DracosX> separates the file names with nulls (0x00) instead of spaces
[07:09] <hypa7ia> sorry msttcorefonts
[07:09] <GotD0t> thanks
[07:09] <hypa7ia> no problemo :-)
[07:11] <GotD0t> i just love that font
[07:11] <HiddenWolf> I'll try zend. :-)
[07:11] <DracosX> cool
[07:11] <DracosX> I still reccommend vim though :P
[07:11] <HiddenWolf> vim doesn't boot here. :-S
[07:12] <DracosX> hehe
[07:13] <GotD0t> ok well im out
[07:13] <HiddenWolf> Actually this sucks. I'm going to sell windows-software, and I'm addicted to ubuntu.
[07:14] <DracosX> hehe
[07:14] <DracosX> don't feel bad
[07:14] <GotD0t> its a healthy addiction
[07:14] <DracosX> I work in an all ms environment... or at least it was
[07:14] <HiddenWolf> *g*
[07:14] <DracosX> until I got everyone else hooked on ubuntu
[07:14] <DracosX> now there's only 2 windows boxes left in the office
[07:15] <HiddenWolf> It's not unhealthy, alto it's annoying to build your website on apache, and then having to recode for ISS
[07:15] <hypa7ia> DracosX: that us awesometacular
[07:15] <DracosX> now that I can agree with
[07:15] <hypa7ia> mwahahah
[07:15] <GotD0t> well you can use apache in windows...
[07:15] <HiddenWolf> And I don't think the programmers will enjoy recoding the app, clarion is one hell of a language.
[07:16] <HiddenWolf> Yes, you can use apache, but the guy that does the server is very familiar with iss, so he doesn't trust apache. :-)
[07:16] <GotD0t> oh ok
[07:17] <DracosX> similar situation here
[07:17] <HiddenWolf> How far along is mono actually. It'd be cool to get an app to work on both nix and windows.
[07:17] <DracosX> the other server admin is an mcse, and has only just begun using GNU/Linux
[07:18] <DracosX> he did let me build a gentoo server though, after a bit of arguing
[07:18] <GotD0t> heh
[07:18] <GotD0t> well i swear... im gone
[07:18] <GotD0t> now
[07:19] <geppy> How do you use a Logitech QuickCam under Ubuntu?
[07:19] <HiddenWolf> Gentoo is ok. Takes too long to set up tho. I liked it a lot, but I'm not compiling everything from scratch. I've got a pc to use it.
[07:20] <Todd_MA_1975> geppy does it show in dmesg when you plug it in?
[07:20] <DracosX> haha
[07:20] <DracosX> my sentiments exactly
[07:20] <hypa7ia> it was the 3rd of 4 distros i'd tried on this laptop.  drove me batty.
[07:20] <HiddenWolf> Hey Dracos. sometimes the handy bits of code are the littlle ones eh?
[07:20] <hypa7ia> but only for another 20 minutes hopefully
[07:21] <geppy> Todd_MA_1975: I don't have it with me.
[07:21] <geppy> Todd_MA_1975:  Supposing that I had it, and it showed up in dmesg, would it be auto-configured?
[07:21] <DracosX> hehe
[07:22] <HiddenWolf> Actually, Ubuntu is the friendliest disto I've used, including the 4 hours I had Fedora installed.
[07:22] <hypa7ia> hahh
[07:22] <DracosX> In all my years of using linux, I've honestly never found a distro I've liked as much as this one
[07:22] <jdub> let's avoid the Other Distro comments, guys
[07:22] <hypa7ia> sorry jdub :-)
[07:22] <DracosX> and I've actually developed my own from scratch before
[07:23] <hypa7ia> the people in this chan and on the wiki are incredibly friendly
[07:23] <hypa7ia> it's really been encouraging :-)
[07:24] <DracosX> agreed
[07:24] <hypa7ia> hence my excitement about this distro :-)
[07:24] <HiddenWolf> Heh.
[07:25] <HiddenWolf> Zend get on with it, I want to be coding!
[07:25] <DracosX> hehe
[07:26] <mbb> dracosx: tried it, something subtle wrong, many cpio errors. my specific comand was:
[07:28] <mbb> dracosx: stand by again, maybe a typo here... oops. try2 now.
[07:30] <rushibhai> guys, has anyone had success with k3b around here?
[07:30] <hypa7ia> heh was just about to ask that rushibhai
[07:30] <rushibhai> it doesn't see the writer.
[07:31] <hypa7ia> is it set suid root or whatever it is that gives it perms to write to the cd drive?
[07:32] <rushibhai> yep. all the setup is okay, and it shows the drive as cdrw for the read device, but no write device..
[07:33] <hypa7ia> argh!
[07:34] <hypa7ia> now k3b is crashing all over the place. it's time to nuke fedora.  see you all in a couple of hours, from ubuntu hopefully!
[07:34] <hypa7ia> or sooner if i have troubles, from the windows box :-(
[07:40] <Gmail> up and down'
[07:41] <timothy> rushibhai: dunno if it's parallel, but one thing you might try if you're running into the same thing with K3B that I just did yesterday: if you can make an image (which shouldn't need it to see your burner at all), see if you can then select "Burn CD Image" (go to the Tools menu at the top of the K3B screen, then select the CD submenu, and "Burn CD Image" should be the bottom choice of the...
[07:41] <timothy> ...resulting submenu.)
[07:42] <timothy> My K3B worked fine one day, then the next day decided that it could not detect a suitable burner, but I found that the above worked for me; for some reason it could see the burner fine when burning a previously prepared ISO, just not when burning a new CD assembled with its cool disc-content editor.
[07:43] <rushibhai> timothy: humm. let me try. thanks.
[07:44] <timothy> Heh, aside from whether it will work for you, did I make that sequence understandably clear?
[07:44] <rushibhai> timothy: clear enough :) Thanks!
[07:45] <timothy> cool.
[07:45] <alka_trash> anyone trying hoary yet?
[07:45] <rushibhai> timothy: btw, it does work fine with cdrecord, so i don't see what the problem could be.
[07:45] <rushibhai> timothy: i mean cdrecord on command line..
[07:45] <timothy> rushibhai: yeah, that's about what I thought, too.
[07:46] <timothy> cdrecord is great and wonderful for burning ISOs; I'd like K3B (or other burning app -- does Ubuntu have gnometoaster or similar?) for tossing a bunch of files on a disk and hitting a big green "Go!" button ...
[07:46] <nyquiljer> is there a boot option i can pass to the ubuntu installer disc to mount an existing installation?
[07:47] <nyquiljer> i just installed osx and cant boot back to my ubuntu install
[07:47] <alka_trash> sounds like osx took over the mbr
[07:48] <DracosX> hmm... dunno how it works on ppc, but maybe at the cd prompt linux root=/dev/your_partition
[07:48] <DracosX> then re-install the bootloader maybe?
[07:48] <DracosX> to the mbr, that is
[07:48] <rushibhai> xcdroast is fine for most purposes. i'm trying to burn a video cd, which is better supported on k3b..
[07:49] <nyquiljer> DracosX: thats kinda what i was hoping youd be able to tell me :)
[07:49] <DracosX> :)
[07:50] <nyquiljer> its yaboot that i'm unfamiliar with
[07:51] <oddabe19> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.8.1-3-k7 |  AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+ 1644.136 MHz | Bogomips: 3260.41 | Mem: 718/1012M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 64.70G Free: 27.15G | Procs: 90 | Uptime: 2 days 1 hr 6 mins 38 secs | Load: 0.57 0.46 0.44  | Vpenis: 2814 cm | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV28 [GeForce4 Ti 4800 SE]  (rev a1) @ 1280x1024 (24 bpp) | eth0: In: 398.30M Out: 32.80M
[07:51] <oddabe19> Sensors: HDD:
[07:51] <oddabe19> woot
[07:51] <oddabe19> worked
[07:51] <alka_trash> I wish this cd burning software was stable
[07:51] <alka_trash> http://www.dropline.net/optimystic/
[07:56] <mbb> DracosX: OSOD! It worked, just booted it from the cloned partition. Thanks, you saved me hours!
[07:57] <mbb> now must get busy finding the sound problem with that machine, thinkpad 390x. and likely writing a decent bug report.
[07:57] <DracosX> :)
[07:57] <DracosX> glad I could help
[07:58] <Micksa> 6 channels in the same terminal window. gack.
[08:03] <Micksa> anyway
[08:03] <Micksa> dumb question
[08:03] <Micksa> how do I do an ubuntu network install?
[08:03] <Micksa> rather than from CD
[08:06] <DracosX> wow - getting late
[08:06] <DracosX> need to get some sleep
[08:07] <lhb> Micksa: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetBootInstallHowto
[08:08] <Micksa> ta
[08:08] <netfighter> Do u guys know if the logo is licensed under the GPL?
[08:10] <Micksa> um, is there a network install CD image? :)
[08:10] <Micksa> or floppy image
[08:10] <Micksa> ie one that isn't 600M, heh
[08:11] <Micksa> actually I think I can get this onto a CD anyway....
[08:11] <nevyn> umm there is ...
[08:11] <nevyn> not..
[08:13] <rushibhai> maybe you want to instal woody base system, change the sources.list and do it?
[08:13] <rushibhai> :)
[08:18] <magneto> any ubuntu devs in here?
[08:19] <jdub> aleays
[08:19] <jdub> always
[08:19] <Micksa> whiprush: yeah, I'm sure that'd work, but that method just doens't feel right
[08:19] <magneto> isnt ubuntu supposed to be a desktop distro?
[08:20] <jdub> magneto: no, it's just very good at it.
[08:20] <jdub> magneto: it's also a fully supported server os.
[08:21] <magneto> ohh ok jdub
[08:21] <tabmoW> how good do you guys reckon ubuntu will run on an old toshiba laptop (PII 233 - 64mb ram - 4gb hdd - pcmcia lan) ?
[08:22] <jdub> tabmoW: the 64MB RAM will be the sore point.
[08:22] <jdub> tabmoW: perhaps use xfce or a plain window manager (enlightenment, fluxbox, ...)
[08:22] <tabmoW> yer i figured as much...
[08:22] <tabmoW> jdub: you mean no kde/gnome? ahhh fooey ;oP
[08:23] <jdub> if you had 256MB ram, the default GNOME desktop would be fine
[08:23] <magneto> yeah tabmowi can vouch for that
[08:23] <Micksa> *sigh*
[08:23] <nyquiljer> i used to run gnome on a p166 with 128 megs of ram.  course itw as a much older gnome, but perfectly usable
[08:23] <Micksa> MORE POWER
[08:23] <tabmoW> hmmms i just want to test it out to see if it is worth taking over mandrake on my other box///
[08:24] <magneto> lol tabmoW has time to kill
[08:24] <tabmoW> magneto: not yet i don't.... friggin exams
[08:24] <jdub> nyquiljer: 256MB is my recommendation as an upstream too
[08:24] <magneto> then hold on to mandy (playin barry manilow)
[08:27] <mbb> I just cloned my warty partition into a fresh partition (for hoary experiments). Booted into X OK, some applications run, but attempt to start a terminal (root or user) result int Error: The application "(null)" has quit unexpectedly.
[08:27] <magneto> thats why its called unstable
[08:28] <ionrock> this is pretty strange, my clock is going way too fast...
[08:28] <jdub> magneto: warty is not unstable, the final release was last month.
[08:28] <magneto> hoary experiments is what i thought he said
[08:28] <jdub> mbb: you might want to validate that it was all copied correctly; how did you do it?
[08:29] <ionrock> I am wondering if that has anything to do with my cusor/keyboard crap
[08:29] <Micksa> the PXE install will grab the latest packages and everything right?
[08:29] <mbb> firefox works, volume control sticks at zero.
[08:29] <Micksa> so it's better than the install CD in that respect?
[08:29] <magneto> the only thing he did was clone?
[08:29] <Micksa> or does the CD install check for updates automatically anyway?
[08:29] <jdub> Micksa: yes to the latter
[08:30] <Micksa> guess it doesn't matter so much then
[08:30] <mbb> clone was done with "find ./ -print0 -depth | cpio -mpd --verbose --nul /mnt/hda7"
[08:30] <Micksa> but I still thinks a CC-sized rescue CD that can do a network install would be good :)
[08:30] <ionrock> yeah, the seconds are definitly going faster.
[08:30] <Micksa> shit, I can put one together from the PXE stuff (I think) and publish/link it somewhere
[08:30] <ionrock> the more I move a window around, the faster it goes..
[08:30] <magneto> ionrock u try ntp?
[08:30] <Pizbit> mbb: Wow, I just boot into knoppix and do 'cp -a /mnt/hda1 /mnt/hdb1/backup' :)
[08:30] <ionrock> magneto,
[08:31] <ionrock> not yet
[08:31] <Pizbit> er /mnt/hda1/*
[08:31] <ionrock> magneto, what do I do? I tried syncing it up with an ntp server throught he clock applet but no luck there
[08:32] <mbb> pizbit: dracosx suggested this way. any thoughts what is missing/wrong?
[08:32] <ionrock> /etc/init.d/ntpdate start ?
[08:32] <Pizbit> Nope, looks french to me
[08:32] <magneto> http://enterprise.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/09/10/1449232
[08:33] <magneto> ionrock
[08:33] <Micksa> hmm, in the wiki there's a NetbootInstall and a NetBootInstall
[08:35] <Micksa> WHICH ONE SHOULD I REMOVE?!?!
[08:36] <Micksa> bah :)
[08:36] <Tsjoklat> evening all
[08:36] <RuffianSoldier> I need a clear answer.  can I apt-get and use KDE in Ubuntu??
[08:37] <magneto> YES ruffian
[08:37] <Tsjoklat> you can RuffianSoldier
[08:37] <Tsjoklat> but there are no security fixes
[08:37] <Tsjoklat> hey pitti :)
[08:37] <Tsjoklat> at least for now RuffianSoldier
[08:38] <pepsi_> hi
[08:38] <pitti> Hi Tsjoklat
[08:38] <RuffianSoldier> Magneto, Tsjoklat, so i just apt-get install kde or whatever and i can access it from GDM?
[08:38] <Tsjoklat> well you have to have universe enabled
[08:38] <magneto> not sure it will autoconfigure gdm
[08:38] <Tsjoklat> pitti :)
[08:38] <RuffianSoldier> i have universe enabled
[08:38] <magneto> it didnt for openbox
[08:38] <Tsjoklat> did you edit your sources.list?
[08:39] <Tsjoklat> cd /etc/apt
[08:39] <RuffianSoldier> i apt-get all the time
[08:39] <RuffianSoldier> thats all i know
[08:39] <Tsjoklat> sudo nano sources.list ----> universe multiverse
[08:39] <Tsjoklat> did you do that?
[08:39] <RuffianSoldier> im not on my Ubuntu Box right now
[08:39] <Tsjoklat> can you remember it? :)
[08:39] <magneto> Ruffian the most youd have to do is configure gdm
[08:40] <magneto> or just use kdm
[08:40] <RuffianSoldier> ya, lol
[08:40] <RuffianSoldier> well, i will try it tommorow (When a get a new mouse) thanks, and goodnight all
[08:40] <Tsjoklat> I have tried KDE RuffianSoldier
[08:40] <rachet> hi! does linux have  a program where i can write c++ ?
[08:40] <Tsjoklat> but wasn't too happy with the way it looks
[08:41] <RuffianSoldier> thats the part i like
[08:41] <Tsjoklat> rachet mono is c+ for linux
[08:41] <RuffianSoldier> well, goodnight
[08:41] <rachet> so i cant write c++ in linux?
[08:42] <thoreauputic> rachet: of course you can
[08:42] <Tsjoklat> I can't answer that question really rachet, all I know is that mono is the c+ for linux
[08:42] <Gmail> can i install apache mysql and php on a 486?
[08:42] <Gmail> i have enuff space
[08:42] <magneto> rachet yeah u can
[08:42] <magneto> write the code and c++ from cmd line
[08:42] <rachet> magneto: whats  the name of the program where i can write c++ ?
[08:43] <thoreauputic> rachet: you can write c++ in any editor you prefer
[08:43] <magneto> gedit nano vi vim
[08:43] <Tsjoklat> gvim
[08:43] <Tsjoklat> :)
[08:43] <Tsjoklat> kvim
[08:43] <magneto> askuhfba;sugasgvim
[08:43] <magneto> :)
[08:43] <thoreauputic> ed! ed is the editor! man ed!
[08:44] <rachet> ye  but i like a program like visual .net or some thing where i get some help and stuff
[08:44] <Tsjoklat> lol magneto
[08:44] <rachet> where i can  test it. and  its  says: u got an error on line 45
[08:44] <Tsjoklat> so who of you were brave enough to go with hoary yet
[08:44] <thoreauputic> rachet: anjuta or kdevelop
[08:44] <magneto> i got a copy of visual studio architect .net you can borrow rachet
[08:44] <rachet> tyty =)=)=)=)
[08:45] <rachet> magneto: ok how can  i borrow it ?
[08:45] <Gmail> ??
[08:46] <HiddenWolf> W00tage, I've finally debugged my webpage's navigation. :-)
[08:46] <Micksa> I am very nervous about trashing pages in the wiki
[08:46] <Micksa> even if they are duplicates
[08:46] <magneto> ill post the isos - i wont use it while youre using it i promise
[08:47] <Gmail> ??
[08:47] <magneto> thoreapeutic----thanks for that anjuta reference ! looks good
[08:48] <green_> hi all
[08:48] <Gmail> hi green_
[08:48] <Tsjoklat> hi green_
[08:48] <Tsjoklat> seems like we are all still on warty :P
[08:48] <green_> ive am important problem
[08:49] <IanMurdock> o.0
[08:49] <magneto> thoreapeutic: have u used either? kdevelop looks sgood too
[08:49] <IanMurdock> can i run apache mysql and php on a 486?
[08:49] <green_> about fonts they have yellow shadows ? is there anyone knows about this?
[08:49] <green_> IanMurdock, sure you can
[08:49] <nevyn> I've used kdevelop
[08:50] <IanMurdock> ok
[08:50] <magneto> nevyn- is it buggy? whats your opinion of it?
[08:50] <Tsjoklat> sounds yakky green
[08:50] <Tsjoklat> I liked kdevelop
[08:50] <Gmail> hehe when my name is IanMurdock i quick answers
[08:50] <nevyn> magneto: I kinda liked it.
[08:50] <nevyn> seriously.
[08:51] <ryan> huges eh
[08:51] <magneto> nevyn: any complaints?
[08:51] <ryan> yay for depreciated graphics technology
[08:51] <Gmail> *glade
[08:51] <Tsjoklat> magneto: building the database is tricksy
[08:51] <nevyn> magneto: not really but I was only doing trivial things in it in java.
[08:52] <nevyn> it needs arch integration.
[08:53] <fdimeglio> hi
[08:53] <fdimeglio> anybody's here ?
[08:54] <Tsjoklat> no we all left fdimeglio
[08:54] <magneto> Tsjoklat: was thinking about that ring distracting u?
[08:54] <fdimeglio> I would like to know if a PowerPC LiveCD is planned
[08:54] <Tsjoklat> ring? what ring?
[08:55] <ionrock> Where is the best place to post a bug about my system clock going faster when the cpu is working harder
[08:55] <magneto> u said tricksy thought u were in golem mode
[08:55] <ryan> a bug?
[08:56] <nevyn> ionrock: is this a laptop?
[08:56] <fdimeglio> any response ?
[08:56] <ionrock> no
[08:56] <ryan> ionrock: i'm guessing it doesn't happen elsewhere..?
[08:56] <ionrock> I actually have ubuntu on my laptop and it runs just fine :)
[08:56] <Tsjoklat> lol
[08:56] <Tsjoklat> must be because that movie is playing right now magneto
[08:56] <Tsjoklat> sorry lol
[08:56] <ionrock> no, I have it on two other machines and neither have the same problem
[08:56] <netmonk> ionrock, what is your laptop?
[08:57] <Tsjoklat> in my room in the background
[08:57] <nevyn> ionrock: so this problem does not affect the laptop.
[08:57] <nevyn> but affects a "normal" desktop machine
[08:57] <ionrock> I have a dell inspiron 5000, but the problem doesn't happen on the laptop
[08:57] <magneto> ionrock- i had that issue in gentoo and another distro
[08:57] <nevyn> ionrock: I thought it could be tied up with speedstep
[08:57] <magneto> i have a dell laptop too
[08:58] <magneto> i cant recall if it was libs or kernel - i think its a kernel issue though
[08:58] <nevyn> it certainly sounds like a kernel issue.
[08:58] <ionrock> yeah i agree
[08:58] <ryan> it sounds like a kernel issue
[08:58] <ryan> yeah
[08:59] <ryan> i'd check if you're using the rtc option and such
[08:59] <ryan> what whats going on in that neck of the woods
[08:59] <ryan> er s/what/and/
[08:59] <magneto> cuz i havent setup ntp yet and i havent lost one second
[08:59] <ionrock> ryan, how can I check? dmesg?
[09:00] <nevyn> does dmesg have bitter bitter complaints from the kernel?
[09:00] <ryan> cat /boot/config|grep RTC
[09:00] <magneto> dmesg from cmdline
[09:01] <ryan> anyway the whole reason i'm in here
[09:01] <ionrock> ryan, no such file
[09:01] <ryan> oh uh
[09:01] <ryan> there should be a config of some sort in there
[09:01] <ryan> maybe its just not named that exactly
[09:01] <ryan> but what i was getting at
[09:01] <ionrock> got it
[09:02] <ionrock> do you mind if I post it?
[09:02] <ryan> is i'm sitting here in front of a fresh debian install, ticked off that 1. they still haven't worked xorg into unstable (which i can live with for now i suppose, i just want to try this xcompmgr that apparently helps so much)
[09:02] <ryan> and 2. there isn't gnome 2.8
[09:02] <ryan> now i've seen ubuntu does gnome 2.8 out of the box
[09:02] <fdimeglio> is there anybody that can give me a response about Ubuntu on PowerPC ?
[09:02] <magneto> ryan - only good thing about xorg is transset
[09:02] <ryan> but what is its status on xorg?
[09:03] <ryan> oh :/
[09:03] <ryan> so the comp stuff doesn't really help speed things up?
[09:03] <ryan> i saw some video of some guy running with and without and with it, firefox barely even had any garbage left on it when moving windows around above it
[09:03] <magneto> depends on your video card- u might be too busy solving driver issues to care about anything else
[09:04] <ryan> well i used xorg 6.7.0 on fbsd 5.3beta5 though RC1
[09:04] <ryan> with the nvidia drivers
[09:04] <ryan> didn't have a problem in that department
[09:04] <ryan> but it wasn't 6.8
[09:04] <ryan> fuck it, ease of use, i'm getting really lazy.
[09:05] <magneto> ryan - xorg 6.7's ati drivers got rid of my 3d and other nice things but i know how to work around it
[09:05] <ionrock> what should i be looking for with the rtc stuff
[09:05] <Treenaks> just wait for a few weeks -- people are working on the latest & greatest xorg for ubuntu
[09:05] <ryan> magneto: hehe, well first of all its an ati card... ;)
[09:05] <magneto> shutup :[
[09:05] <ryan> magneto: but in all seriousness, i am disheartened by all the trouble ati users have
[09:06] <magneto> yeah so are we
[09:06] <magneto> disheartened we dont have nvidia cards
[09:06] <ryan> i had a radeon 7500 for about a week
[09:06] <ryan> then i got my geforce ti 4200 when it was hot
[09:06] <ryan> and i still have it
[09:06] <ryan> best card i've ever had
[09:06] <magneto> ive had mine for a year but cant swap it out in the laptop
[09:06] <ryan> it also was the last of my paycheque
[09:06] <ryan> hehe
[09:07] <ryan> the place i got it at took like $40 off
[09:07] <ryan> and then even let me keep $5 so i had bus fare to get home
[09:07] <ryan> so that place won over my business for awhile, till i got too far away
[09:11] <magneto> i remember riding the bus
[09:12] <ryan> intercity bus?
[09:12] <ryan> or just city bus
[09:14] <magneto> ryan: in los angeles and ny - interstate even
[09:14] <ryan> ah
[09:15] <magneto> took the greyhound from LA to NY before
[09:15] <magneto> back in my younger broker days
[09:16] <magneto> la to south carolina was the worst- people discussing eating squirrels and it felt like someone kicked me in t he back after 3 days
[09:17] <magneto> The best people in society travel by bus. The cleanest too.
[09:18] <magneto> RTD bus pass anyone? santa monica blvd the #4? brooklyn? #26
[09:19] <borup> magneto: actually, the even better onse go by bicycle
[09:19] <borup> s/onse/ones/
[09:21] <ryan> heh
[09:22] <magneto> id rather ride the bus than ride a bike- it's a dignity thing im old
[09:22] <ryan> i'm definitely at my 'broker' days
[09:22] <magneto> in china id agree
[09:22] <ryan> heh ubuntu's iso is only 528mb?
[09:22] <ryan> they must've really trimmed out the cruft
[09:22] <ryan> i just hope i don't miss something
[09:22] <magneto> lol ryan- yeah but the install is about 1.6 gb
[09:22] <magneto> check the md5sum
[09:22] <ryan> do they have online repos yet
[09:23] <ryan> i'm getting it via torrent
[09:23] <ryan> 350KB/s
[09:23] <magneto> wow
[09:23] <magneto> good speed
[09:23] <magneto> i got it through bt too- did u request free cds?
[09:23] <ryan> should only take 20 mins
[09:24] <ryan> nope
[09:24] <magneto> theyll send u 10 for free lol
[09:24] <ryan> 10?
[09:24] <ryan> of the same thing?
[09:24] <magneto> i like ubuntu- yeah to give out to your nerdy pals
[09:25] <magneto> since shipping is high they send more than one to make it worth while
[09:25] <ryan> heh
[09:25] <ryan> makes sense i guess
[09:26] <daniels> well, there's a text box in there where you enter how many you would like
[09:27] <ryan> yay for faqs
[09:29] <ryan> "essentially all debian software is also availible in Ubuntu repositories"
[09:29] <ryan> woo
[09:29] <ryan> i'll stress test that theory
[09:31] <ryan> 11 minutes is far too long
[09:35] <lypanov> um
[09:35] <lypanov> anyone know the magical fix to get my windows install working again?
[09:35] <lypanov> (grub installed on mbr as it should, however chainloader trick ain't working so i'm a tad puzzled, what am i missing?)
[09:35] <borup> lypanov: that rather depends on what you did to break it
[09:36] <lypanov> ^ installed grub
[09:36] <Aard> you're using the right device names? :)
[09:36] <lypanov> Aard: yeah
[09:36] <lypanov> Aard: well can't really fail if u try them all right? :P
[09:37] <borup> rerun update-grub
[09:37] <daniels> lypanov: google is your friend :P
[09:37] <Aard> lypanov: I'd not be that sure...
[09:37] <lypanov> daniels: thanks dude :P
[09:37] <lypanov> daniels: how about u save me the gg time? ;)
[09:37] <borup> lypanov: really, rerun update-grub
[09:37] <daniels> lypanov: never tried it
[09:37] <lypanov> borup: of course not
[09:37] <lypanov> borup: that just updates the automagical menu
[09:41] <lypanov> daniels: ouch. found evil guru m$ hints
[09:42] <lypanov> daniels: yay for google :P
[09:42] <daniels> heh
[09:42] <lypanov> now next q
[09:42] <lypanov> is *wtf* i left my xp cd
[09:42] <lypanov> daniels: i'm awaiting an ibook next week
[09:42] <lypanov> daniels: and no. no linux :P
[09:43] <plovs_work> how do i in bash test for the file-extension? (if file-extension=.py then echo "python-file!")
[09:43] <Elwood> hi all
[09:44] <daniels> lypanov: dude, you should've got an x40
[09:44] <lypanov> daniels: i can't be standing this linux/m$ shit anymore dude
[09:44] <lypanov> daniels: how heavy and how many hours?
[09:44] <Gmail> will x run on a 486 i dout it but then again........ or should i just network this computer
[09:44] <Treenaks> daniels: does the x40 have wide-screen?
[09:44] <thoreauputic> plovs_work: try asking in #bash
[09:44] <Tsjoklat> aren't you in the wrong channel by any chance lypanov?
[09:45] <lypanov> Tsjoklat: shut it
[09:45] <daniels> Treenaks: ... no.  it's very small and light.
[09:45] <Tsjoklat> and it comes with an attitude aswell
[09:45] <Tsjoklat> charming
[09:45] <daniels> lypanov: 1.47kg, ~6h with WiFi (anecdotally)
[09:45] <plovs_work> thoreauputic, there *is* such a channel :)
[09:45] <lypanov> daniels: oh very yummy
[09:45] <daniels> Gmail: of course it will run
[09:45] <thoreauputic> plovs_work: yes, there is
[09:45] <lypanov> daniels: what stupidly high price does it come to? :P
[09:45] <stvn> plovs_work: #null
[09:46] <thoreauputic> plovs_work: /join #bash
[09:46] <plovs_work> thoreauputic, thanks i did
[09:46] <Tsjoklat> it's okay lypanov, you are so showing your age
[09:46] <daniels> Gmail: (note that X was originally developed on PDPs)
[09:46] <thoreauputic> plovs_work: OK :)
[09:46] <Tsjoklat> you do that
[09:46] <daniels> lypanov: in australia, ~$au4800 with the extended life battery (11h), dock, etc, etc
[09:46] <lypanov> daniels: whats that in us?
[09:46] <Tsjoklat> what a moron
[09:46] <Gmail> daniels: ok how many Mhz is a 486
[09:47] <Gmail> it was before my time
[09:47] <thoreauputic> Gmail: depends which 486
[09:47] <Treenaks> Gmail: 25, 33, 50, 66, 75, 100 or 133 probably
[09:47] <Gmail> IBM
[09:47] <Gmail> COOOL
[09:47] <stvn> there was this stunningly fast 486 that tan at 100MHz
[09:47] <stvn> s/tan/ran
[09:47] <Treenaks> stvn: the
[09:47] <Gmail> i though it was like 10Mhz
[09:47] <Treenaks> stvn: the DX-4
[09:47] <stvn> indeed
[09:48] <lypanov> well okay i started with 6502's admittedly
[09:48] <lypanov> but i meant pcs :P
[09:48] <stvn> hehe
[09:48] <Gmail> LOL the 686 i had was 150Mhz
[09:48] <stvn> thoreauputic: I don't think you owned them ;)
[09:49] <thoreauputic> stvn: no indeed - the university did ;)
[09:49] <Treenaks> Gmail: there's no such thing as a 686
[09:49] <thoreauputic> stvn: they were tended by people in white lab coats in a glassed-off room
[09:49] <daniels> lypanov: about $us3k, but you can get it cheaper
[09:50] <Treenaks> Gmail: there was the K6, or the "5x86" CPUs which ran at a whopping 133 MHz
[09:50] <Gmail> 80686
[09:50] <daniels> ok, this conversation is offtopic, guys.
[09:50] <daniels> please move it somewhere else.
[09:50] <Treenaks> Gmail: aka PII
[09:50] <Gmail> no
[09:50] <Gmail> it was made by ibm
[09:50] <daniels> (as a good metric: if you've filled up an entire screenful with unrelated conversation, move it somewhere else.)
[09:50] <rachet> hi what was the name of the program  where i can write c++ ?
[09:51] <stvn> thoreauputic: heh, my first experience with a computer other than the p2000 was the CRAY supercomputer at my fathers work, it was so ugly and huge that I didn't understand why they didn't buy a better/smaller one ;)
[09:51] <thoreauputic> rachet: there are several - check anjuta and kdevelop
[09:51] <Gmail> http://distrowatch.com/ubuntu need a lot more hit per day
[09:51] <Gmail> rachet: nano
[09:51] <Tsjoklat> mono
[09:51] <thoreauputic> Gmail: he wants an ide
[09:51] <Gmail> pico
[09:52] <thoreauputic> Gmail: why not ed?
[09:52] <lifeless> cat
[09:52] <Gmail> thoreauputic: he wound of ask if he want so
[09:52] <stvn> rachet: or anjuta
[09:52] <Gmail> lifeless: you can't use cat
[09:52] <lifeless> sure you can
[09:52] <daniels> Gmail: cat > foo.cpp, start writing, end with ^D
[09:52] <lifeless> cat < - > progname.c
[09:52] <Gmail> no you can't
[09:53] <lifeless> Gmail: *I* can, dunno about you :)
[09:53] <thoreauputic> Gmail: sorry, you lose
[09:53] <daniels> Gmail: try it
[09:53] <Gmail> when was the last time you wrote on a CAT and not got hell beeten out of you
[09:53] <Gmail> its a play with the word cat and the program HEHE
[09:54] <thoreauputic> Gmail: by whom? I do as I please, thank you
[09:54] <Elwood> omg
[09:54] <Gmail> hu?
[09:54] <Elwood> why consolechars -f fontfiles goes in segmentation fault?
[09:54] <lifeless> Gmail: local anaesthetic.
[09:55] <Gmail> hu?
[09:55] <lifeless> writing on a cast without getting hell beeteen (sic) out of me
[09:55] <Gmail> i say hu? so many time the need to add a buttom on the keyboard for words like that
[09:57] <Gmail> eeeek my brother is playing the stupidest game using wine he got it off his friend
[09:57] <Gmail> age of empires, is there any game *like* it for linux which is free ?
[09:58] <Elwood> Gmail,  sure
[09:58] <Elwood> Gmail, search for stratagus game engine
[10:02] <p0windah> hello all
[10:02] <p0windah> I have just installed ubuntu and would like to install some fonts, but I cant find the font installing program
[10:04] <Gmail> Elwood: isn't that a game engin?
[10:04] <Elwood> Gmail,  and many games similar to empires use it
[10:04] <Elwood> Gmail, try on freshmeat.net
[10:08] <hypa7ia> man oh man.  ubuntu is gorgeous :-)
[10:09] <lypanov> hell yeah :)
[10:09] <hypa7ia> i just booted into my fresh install
[10:09] <hypa7ia> SO excited
[10:10] <Elwood> in the sexual sense?
[10:10] <hypa7ia> heheh not quite
[10:10] <Elwood> good
[10:11] <hypa7ia> can't figure out how to get the nekkid people background back :-p
[10:12] <p0windah> I have just installed ubuntu and would like to install some fonts, but I cant find the font installing program
[10:12] <Elwood> p0windah, fonts for console?
[10:12] <p0windah> no, just normal fonts for the graphical part
[10:13] <Elwood> apt-cache search whatuneed
[10:14] <merlin0> hello
[10:14] <p0windah> was that to me Elwood ?
[10:15] <p0windah> I dont think apt-cache will work will it ? the font files I have are already in my home folder
[10:15] <hypa7ia> there is a font installer proggie
[10:15] <p0windah> its called firefly.tff
[10:16] <p0windah> hypa7ia: where is it, I dont see it anywhere :(
[10:16] <Elwood> p0windah,  sorry now i got
[10:16] <jdub> p0windah: type 'gnome-open fonts:///' at a terminal
[10:16] <jdub> p0windah: or you can get to it through the fonts prefs dialogue, but it's kinda hidden
[10:16] <merlin0> how can i read info files in gnome?
[10:17] <jdub> merlin0: you can't atm
[10:17] <merlin0> oh
[10:17] <p0windah> is that a normal terminal or root terminal jdub ?
[10:17] <jdub> using your login
[10:18] <p0windah> so I just copy the font into that area jdub ?
[10:20] <p0windah> anyone know how fonts:/// works ?
[10:21] <jdub> just drag your font files into it
[10:21] <p0windah> I tried to copy my firefly.tff file into that folder and it doesnt appear to do anything or show the firefly font :(
[10:21] <p0windah> is there meant to be some dialog or progress bar or something ?
[10:22] <Gmail> #gnome on irc.gimp.org should now
[10:22] <Gmail> *know
[10:22] <jdub> p0windah: it should work just like any other folder
[10:23] <jdub> p0windah: perhaps do a reload
[10:23] <p0windah> no, doesnt appear
[10:23] <p0windah> maybe reboot computer will help ?
[10:23] <jdub> no
[10:23] <jdub> ls ~/.fonts/
[10:24] <p0windah> I can see the firefly font in that folder
[10:25] <jdub> p0windah: see if it's listed in the fonts preference dialogue
[10:26] <p0windah> I just had a look in the "font" program under computer, and it isnt in the list
[10:26] <p0windah> but I can see it got copied into ~/.fonts/
[10:26] <p0windah> should I log out ?
[10:27] <jdub> no
[10:28] <jdub> run fc-cache
[10:28] <jdub> sorry, no
[10:28] <jdub> run fc-list
[10:28] <jdub> then fc-list | grep -i fire
[10:28] <stvn> p0windah: are you sure it is recognised as a font?
[10:28] <p0windah> I cant tell, the computer doesnt give me any feedback
[10:29] <stvn> p0windah: enable thumbnailing and it should give you a preview of the font
[10:29] <stvn> in nautilus
[10:29] <p0windah> its not in that list jdub
[10:30] <p0windah> in icon view, it shows "Aa"
[10:30] <p0windah> it looks like the correct font
[10:31] <Tsjoklat> toodles all... got a storm bbl
[10:31] <stvn> p0windah: right, that's good :)
[10:31] <p0windah> I tried double clicking on it, but it just gave me an error
[10:32] <p0windah> says "There was an error launching the application
[10:32] <stvn> p0windah: yeah got that here as well
[10:32] <stvn> p0windah: but  copying the font to ~/.fonts/ worked for me
[10:33] <thewolf> Hmm, one thing lacking from the website: images of the product. Are there any?
[10:33] <p0windah> I didnt copy anything into ~/.fonts/
[10:33] <p0windah> I just drag & dropped from my home folder into the fonts:/// folder
[10:33] <stvn> p0windah: copy the font to ~/.fonts/
[10:33] <jdub> p0windah: by copying into the fonts:/// window, you *did* copy it into .fonts :_)
[10:33] <jdub> p0windah: and a few moments ago, you verified that it was there :-)
[10:34] <jdub> p0windah: if there's an error when you double-click the font, that indicates that something might be wrong - what was the error?
[10:34] <p0windah> well I can see it in ~/.fonts/ with another file called .vfs-write.tmp
[10:34] <stvn> jdub: sure? because my font in .fonts doesn't appear in fonts:/// but it does appear in the lists
[10:34] <jdub> stvn: it ought to
[10:34] <thewolf> are there any screenshots of ubantu?
[10:34] <jdub> if not, we have a bug
[10:34] <jdub> thewolf: 'ubuntu', yes, google for ubuntu and screenshots :)
[10:35] <stvn> jdub: right, i'll investigate
[10:35] <jdub> stvn: sounds like it's not appearing there for p0windah either
[10:35] <p0windah> everything else has worked really well I mmight add
[10:35] <thewolf> er ok
[10:35] <jdub> it is working for me
[10:35] <jdub> thewolf: there are also links to screenshots on the website
[10:35] <p0windah> can I send you the font file jdub ?
[10:35] <thewolf> hmm, I will look harder
[10:35] <thewolf> plone sucks though :)
[10:36] <jdub> p0windah: no; try another font
[10:36] <stvn> thewolf: http://home.minst.net/~steven/Screenshot.png
[10:36] <thewolf> cool
[10:36] <thoreauputic> thewolf: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/screenshots/document_view
[10:37] <stvn> jdub: right, copying the font to fonts:/// does indeed copy it to .fonts, but it doesn't show up in fonts:////
[10:37] <vincent> miam http://www.gnome.org/~paobac/goobox/screenshot-005.png
[10:37] <p0windah> something bad just happened
[10:37] <jdub> stvn: worksforme
[10:37] <p0windah> I logged out and now I cant log in again :(
[10:38] <jdub> p0windah: sounds like you've got bigger problems...
[10:38] <p0windah> gives me an error "I've detected a panel already running, and will now exit"
[10:38] <p0windah> I click on ok, and then it just appears again
[10:38] <p0windah> well its the first time this error has appeared
[10:39] <p0windah> I dont want bigger problems :(
[10:40] <stvn> p0windah: click ok several times, I had it once and it disapeared after a while, I saved the session and all was fine again
[10:40] <thewolf> stvn, you could have saved that pic as a png... a little smaller
[10:40] <p0windah> ok stvn, I'll keep trying
[10:40] <stvn> thewolf: heh, sorry I just made a screenshot with gnome, didn't really bother about resizing
[10:41] <thewolf> :P
[10:41] <p0windah> it works!
[10:41] <thewolf> Its still loading
[10:42] <stvn> thewolf: slow upload here :(
[10:42] <p0windah> I still cant see the font in fonts:///
[10:42] <thoreauputic> thewolf: try the ubuntu slideshow URL I gave you :
[10:42] <thoreauputic> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/screenshots/document_view
[10:42] <stvn> p0windah: does it appear in computer>>desktop preferences>>font ?
[10:42] <p0windah> is it possible that it wont work because its not a western font ?
[10:42] <thewolf> thoreauputic, I will :)
[10:43] <p0windah> no it doesnt stvn
[10:43] <stvn> p0windah: it is possible, but it shouldn't be
[10:43] <stvn> p0windah: can you send me the font?
[10:44] <p0windah> its an asian font, is there some kind of test program I can use ?
[10:44] <p0windah> yes I can
[10:44] <Treenaks> p0windah: type the characters in any Gnome program...
[11:01] <hypa7ia> stvn: where do you get the bg image with the people on it?
[11:01] <stvn> hypa7ia: install ubuntu-artwork
[11:03] <Kyaneos> hi
[11:03] <jdub> ubuntu-calendar
[11:04] <stvn> p0windah: I found it, it's not called firefly but AR PL New Sung
[11:04] <hypa7ia> eggcellent, thanks jdub
[11:04] <hypa7ia> and stvn :-)
[11:04] <p0windah> oh really ?
[11:05] <stvn> p0windah: yep, dropping the font gives that as a new one
[11:05] <stvn> nice font BTW, pity it misses faces
[11:05] <stvn> or styles as they are called in gnome
[11:05] <p0windah> ah yes, checked the list and there it is :)
[11:06] <stvn> hm, me has a strong feeling that the preview is not the actual font
[11:06] <p0windah> I have many AR PL fonts installed already, so didnt notice it in there :)
[11:06] <stvn> heh
[11:06] <p0windah> its a pity there is no message telling you it installed as a different font name
[11:07] <stvn> p0windah: it's supposed to be an azian font, right?
[11:07] <stvn> asian
[11:07] <p0windah> but, irc support like this. it hardly matters :)
[11:07] <b_e_n_z> AR PL fonts are chinese fonts
[11:07] <p0windah> yes, its a traditional chinese font
[11:07] <stvn> k, so the gnome font manager doesn't preview non-latin fonts
[11:07] <merlin0> someone have a working celestia with ati drivers?
[11:08] <b_e_n_z> yes it does
[11:08] <p0windah> well the fonts do contain roman characters as well
[11:08] <stvn> b_e_n_z: but only if your locale is chinese?
[11:08] <stvn> ah ok
[11:08] <b_e_n_z> zh_TW.UTF-8
[11:09] <p0windah> b_e_n_z: do you have any experience in setting up chinese input in ubuntu at all ?
[11:09] <b_e_n_z> p0windah, install scim
[11:09] <p0windah> I have
[11:09] <b_e_n_z> ctrl-spacebar to popup the scim input panel
[11:09] <p0windah> when I installed the computer I chose english,. so now when I run scim it only shows "english"
[11:10] <b_e_n_z> what is your locale
[11:10] <p0windah> how do I check ?
[11:10] <b_e_n_z> i mean LC_ALL, LANG
[11:10] <Treenaks> p0windah: type 'locale' in a terminal :)
[11:10] <Pizbit> Haha, ctrl+space after clicking on the desktop crashes nautilus
[11:11] <b_e_n_z> p0windah, you also need to install the scim-tables
[11:11] <karim> mirak please use another pseudonyme
[11:11] <p0windah> b_e_n_z: I installed them, I can see chang_jie in the list
[11:11] <p0windah> the locale says a lot of things :)
[11:11] <b_e_n_z> p0windah, so what's the problem?
[11:11] <p0windah> but all ="POSIX"
[11:12] <tuxx> Where would I find the best Gnome themes, icons, borders etc. besides Gnome.org ? Must of course fit with Ubuntu :)
[11:12] <p0windah> when I press control space the scim appears, but only shows "english"
[11:12] <p0windah> I picked english because I prefer to read english, but need to type in chinese
[11:12] <karim> anyone know mirak here ?
[11:12] <stvn> tuxx: gnome-look.org
[11:12] <b_e_n_z> p0windah, launch the scim control panel... see if you can find chang jie
[11:13] <p0windah> yes I can see it
[11:13] <p0windah> and its ticked
[11:13] <thoreauputic> karim: why, has he taken your registered nick?
[11:13] <karim> thoreauputic, I don't know.
[11:13] <karim> thoreauputic, I mean yes
[11:14] <b_e_n_z> p0windah, i think you need to set LC_ALL=zh_TW.UTF-8 and LANG=zh_TW.UTF-8
[11:14] <karim> thoreauputic, I will ghost him. Unpolitely
[11:14] <p0windah> b_e_n_z: where do I set that ?
[11:14] <b_e_n_z> p0windah, in your startup shell?
[11:14] <thoreauputic> karim: if it's registered, you can kill it and take it back with /msg nickserv ghost <password>
[11:14] <b_e_n_z> p0windah, .bash_profile for bash
[11:15] <p0windah> I dont need it for bash I dont think
[11:15] <p0windah> when ubuntu starts it goes straight into gnome ?
[11:15] <Treenaks> b_e_n_z: /etc/environment works better -- that gets read at login
[11:15] <b_e_n_z> Treenaks, that's global
[11:16] <mirak> thoreauputic, ahah, only one must live
[11:16] <mirak> :)
[11:16] <Treenaks> b_e_n_z: it is, but I don't know of a "local" alternative that does get read before gnome-session starts
[11:16] <p0windah> :)
[11:16] <b_e_n_z> Treenaks, i always put my env variables in .bash_profile
[11:16] <p0windah> I will wait for the conclusion :)
[11:16] <thoreauputic> mirak: umm.. he's just changed to mirak_
[11:16] <mirak> lol
[11:17] <mirak> I will register everything then
[11:17] <p0windah> so I change .bash_profile ?
[11:17] <b_e_n_z> p0windah, if you use bash yes
[11:17] <p0windah> I use gnome
[11:17] <b_e_n_z> no, what is your shell
[11:17] <p0windah> bash I think ?
[11:17] <tuxx> stvn nice. Thanks
[11:18] <p0windah> is that the default ?
[11:18] <thewolf> tell him how to check :)
[11:18] <b_e_n_z> cat /etc/passwd and find out
[11:18] <thewolf> (I can't remember)
[11:18] <b_e_n_z> echo $SHELL
[11:18] <p0windah> its bash
[11:18] <b_e_n_z> do you know how env variables work?
[11:18] <p0windah> and what do I put into this file ?
[11:19] <p0windah> export ?
[11:19] <thoreauputic> mirak, join #freenode and tell the ops is my advice - he hasn't the right to use a registered nick
[11:20] <stvn> thoreauputic: I think his client autorejoined and noticed mirak was taken and defaulted to mirak_ I don't think there are any evil intentions
[11:20] <mirak__> thoreauputic, I don't there policy about that
[11:20] <mirak__> stvn, yes that's what I think
[11:20] <mirak__> stvn, though I already told him that it was a used nick
[11:21] <p0windah> b_e_n_z: I put export LC_ALL=zh_TW.UTF-8 and export LANG=zh_TW.UTF-8 into .bash_profile
[11:21] <thoreauputic> stvn: yes, but as mirak__ said, he asked him politely first
[11:21] <p0windah> b_e_n_z: log out now ?
[11:21] <Pizbit> thoreauputic: He could just not be even at home
[11:21] <stvn> mirak__: ah, ok missed that bit, thought this was the first time
[11:21] <Pizbit> Or where ever their irc client is.
[11:21] <mirak__> he is probably not here
[11:21] <thoreauputic> Pizbit: yeah, true
[11:22] <p0windah> such a friendly and helpful room :)
[11:22] <Pizbit> p0windah: channel:P
[11:22] <p0windah> it can be a channel if you like
[11:24] <p0windah> b_e_n_z: you there ?
[11:28] <stvn> hm
[11:28] <p0windah> he left :(
[11:35] <rapha> Good morning everybody!
[11:36] <hypa7ia> mornin' rapha!
[11:36] <rapha> How y'all doin'?
[11:36] <Elwood> 'ok'ok'
[11:36] <rapha> :-)
[11:36] <hypa7ia> i am doing excellent
[11:36] <topyli> working, otherwise it's not bad :)
[11:36] <hypa7ia> got warty all installed :-)
[11:37] <rapha> topyli: so your boss is allowing you to IRC at work?
[11:37] <topyli> rapha: i'm "on the field" when i irc :)
[11:37] <rapha> hypa7ia: I'm frantically waiting for the CDs I've ordered to further spread "the virus" here :)
[11:37] <Elwood> the boss has a sniffer?
[11:37] <rapha> topyli: aaaah! :)
[11:37] <hypa7ia> rapha: nicenice :-)
[11:38] <topyli> Elwood: the boss doesn't know or understand what i do. he just wants results :)
[11:38] <Elwood> good
[11:40] <rapha> Hey, who from the Ubuntu team will want to know how to configure X for a particular hardware?
[11:41] <rapha> topyli: Then you have a well-trained boss. "Checks are good, trust is better" :)
[11:41] <stvn> rapha: the wiki
[11:42] <rapha> stvn: But the Wiki says it shouldn't be edited right now...
[11:42] <topyli> rapha: we're a multidiciplinary research center. nobody undersands another's work
[11:42] <stvn> rapha: checked the new wiki?
[11:42] <rapha> stvn: URL?
[11:42] <rapha> topyli :)
[11:44] <stvn> rapha: ah, the new wiki is not yet fully operational, either wait or contact someone from the doc team
[11:44] <rapha> stvn: Okay, thanks
[11:46] <rapha> Has anyone made swsusp or something the like work under Ubuntu / is there a tutorial?
[11:48] <lypanov> rapha: i wonder the same
[11:51] <rapha> Hmm
[11:52] <rapha> Can also see to my soundcard then
[11:52] <stvn> swsusp?
[11:53] <rapha> Suspend to disk, but OS-based, not BIOS-based.
[11:53] <stvn> ah right, hm no package of it apparently
[11:54] <rapha> No, I'm afraid it won't work that easily.
[11:54] <stvn> :)
[11:54] <rapha> It'll have to be included by the Ubuntu guys eventually, IF they decide it is mature enough for them.
[11:55] <b_e_n_z> i have good success with software suspend 2
[11:55] <rapha> b_e_n_z: Is that a successor to swsusp?
[11:55] <lypanov> b_e_n_z: any install howto's around?
[11:55] <b_e_n_z> yes
[11:55] <rapha> Cool
[11:55] <rapha> Any info for us?
[11:55] <b_e_n_z> lypanov, there's some outdated info on the software suspend 2 site
[11:55] <lypanov> ok :)
[11:56] <lypanov> rapha: http://softwaresuspend.berlios.de/features.html
[11:57] <lypanov> pmdisk is merged back in... ummm
[11:57] <Treenaks> suspend-over-nfs support? WTF?
[11:57] <Kyaneos> hi
[11:58] <bskahan> anyone know what the purpose of bazaar is?
[11:58] <bskahan> just a more usable fronend to arch?
[11:58] <gerard> Anyone know how I can get the dutch language in Gnome with Ubuntu?
[11:59] <Treenaks> gerard: yes :)
[11:59] <Treenaks> gerard: (you might want to join #ubuntu-nl)
[12:00] <lypanov> bskahan: i think so
[12:00] <rapha> Holy sh**. 105MB of updates, and that over 56k...
[12:00] <lypanov> bskahan: maybe ask on #arch? ;)
[12:00] <bskahan> lypanov: good idea
[12:00] <bskahan> thanks
[12:01] <Acridien> hello
[12:01] <Acridien> How do I install third party rpm packages ?
[12:02] <Acridien> like gtkradiant
[12:02] <gruberman> readme?
[12:02] <Acridien> gruberman: which one ?
[12:02] <gruberman> Acridien: Is it a rpm-package or in the repository?
[12:02] <Pizbit> Acridien: You realise that ubuntu uses debs right?
[12:03] <Acridien> gruberman: rpm from a website ftp
[12:03] <Acridien> Pizbit: yup
[12:03] <deFrysk> alien blah.rpm
[12:03] <gruberman> Acridien: use rpm to install
[12:04] <gruberman> or alien :)
[12:04] <deFrysk> and it wil make a .deb of it
[12:04] <stvn> Acridien: if you can't use a deb or source, you might want to take a look at alien
[12:04] <Acridien> gruberman: it outputs error
[12:04] <Treenaks> gruberman: or look if the package isn't in universe/multiverse anyway
[12:04] <Acridien>  sudo rpm -ivh /home/acridien/Archives/gtkradiant-1.5.0-2004-09-26.i386.rpm
[12:04] <Acridien> rpm: To install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien. See README.Debian.
[12:04] <Acridien> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - Aucun fichier ou rpertoire de ce type (2)
[12:04] <Acridien> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
[12:06] <thoreauputic> Acridien: sudo apt-get install alien ; alien <rpmpackage> ; dpkg -i <created_deb_package>
[12:08] <Acridien> thoreauputic: tx boy
[12:09] <thoreauputic> long time since anyone called me a boy :)
[12:09] <thoreauputic> vive la Suisse!, Acridien ;)
[12:10] <Acridien> thoreauputic: salut tu es d'ou?
[12:10] <thoreauputic> Australie, mon vieux ;)
[12:10] <Acridien> thoreauputic: ?!? tu t'es expatri la-bas ou t'as appris le francais ?
[12:10] <thoreauputic> J'ai passe quelques ans a Geneve, en enfance
[12:10] <Acridien> cool
[12:11] <thoreauputic> Acridien: ca fait au moins 40 ans depuis
[12:11] <thoreauputic> j'ai 52 ans
[12:11] <Acridien> J'aime bien ce mot "boy" :-)
[12:12] <thoreauputic> ah, oui, mon petit gosse .. heheh
[12:12] <Acridien> gamin
[12:12] <Acridien> lol
[12:13] <thoreauputic> heheh
[12:13] <b_e_n_z> this has become a french channel?
[12:13] <Acridien> thoreauputic: I m going to try the command your gave me
[12:13] <Treenaks> b_e_n_z: Bienvenue a #ubuntu-fr
[12:13] <Treenaks> :P
[12:17] <stvn> hm, ik heb nu ook en_NL in mijn /etc/environment
[12:18] <Acridien> hey are the .rpm and .deb similar, what are the differences ?
[12:18] <Acridien> BC
[12:18] <Acridien> =By curiosity
[12:18] <tuxx> g'day
[12:19] <Acridien> :-)
[12:19] <tuxx> I'm having issues with hotplug sybsystem. Is it normal for at to stall uppon boot?
[12:19] <thoreauputic> Acridien: rpm== evil deb== good </joke>
[12:19] <Acridien> thoreauputic: lol
[12:19] <spacey`ki> is it correct that mysqld is defaultly configured to only use unix sockets? thus not binding to tcp?
[12:20] <Acridien> thoreauputic: why it is evil ? :-)
[12:20] <topyli> spacey`ki: yes. tcp is rarely needed
[12:20] <thoreauputic> Acridien: heh - not really. Debian partisan comment :)
[12:21] <Acridien> thoreauputic: :-)
[12:22] <klasiphyd> heys .. i was wondering how to change the screen res of the login greeter ?
[12:22] <thoreauputic> Acridien: rpm - dependency hell  mandrake urpmi - better apt-get - best!
[12:23] <sn0wman> step 1: go to sleep.  step 2: ???  step 3: profit!
[12:23] <thoreauputic> Acridien: therefore, rpm == evil ;)
[12:23] <sn0wman> that was directed toward klasiphyd, btw
[12:23] <klasiphyd> sleep is for the weak
[12:24] <klasiphyd> :)
[12:24] <sn0wman> what timezone are you in?
[12:24] <klasiphyd> central
[12:24] <MeAndU> whats the command to restart samba
[12:24] <thoreauputic> klasiphyd: central what? central tibet?
[12:24] <sn0wman> MeAndU, /etc/init.d/samba restart
[12:24] <Pizbit> /etc/init.d/samba restart
[12:24] <klasiphyd> sorry ..us 5.30am
[12:25] <sn0wman> i'm in eastern.  it's 6:30 am here
[12:25] <sn0wman> lol
[12:25] <Pizbit> MeAndU: Put a sudo in front of that
[12:25] <thoreauputic> klasiphyd: heh - there's a world out here, brother :)
[12:25] <spacey`ki> topyli, you know how i can enable tcp agian?
[12:25] <spacey`ki> i can't find it in startup script/config
[12:26] <topyli> spacey`ki: probably in /etc/***/my.conf
[12:26] <klasiphyd> i'm bad/typical american what can i say
[12:27] <spacey`ki>  /etc/mysql/my.cnf exists i'll shall peer through it agian
[12:27] <MeAndU> /etc/init.d/samba restart
[12:27] <MeAndU> bash: /etc/init.d/samba: No such file or directory
[12:27] <sparkes> klasiphyd, I hope you are voting
[12:27] <Pizbit> MeAndU: Sounds like you don't have samba
[12:27] <klasiphyd> who do you want me to vote for sparkes
[12:27] <topyli> spacey`ki: there's an option "skip-networking"
[12:27] <MeAndU> I think one of the packages are missing
[12:27] <klasiphyd> ..might start a conversation that can get outta hand
[12:28] <sparkes> klasiphyd, your choice, not even my country it's just I'd hate to see someone get in with a couple of votes and then for people to say 'if only I'd voted' ;-)
[12:28] <MeAndU> I have samab-common and python2.3-samba installed
[12:28] <spacey`ki> topyli, thnx found it
[12:28] <Micksa> heh
[12:29] <Micksa> HELP SAVE YOUR COUNTRY
[12:29] <Micksa> VOTE [1]  KERRY
[12:29] <klasiphyd> i'll hit the poles no worries
[12:29] <Micksa> or at least
[12:29] <Micksa> DON'T VOTE BUSH
[12:29] <klasiphyd> i fear there is no help for my country
[12:29] <Mithrandir> Micksa: please, #politics
[12:29] <klasiphyd> hehe
[12:29] <Micksa> :)
[12:29] <dredg> for you truly are wise
[12:29] <sparkes> klasiphyd, I have a sneeking suspicion that led to world war 2 (hitting poles that is)
[12:29] <klasiphyd> so yeah.. can the greeter screen res be changed ?
[12:29] <MeAndU> ok thanks , i have installed samba as well and now working well
[12:30] <klasiphyd> haha sparkes
[12:30] <liten> klasiphyd: it uses the X resolution
[12:30] <altan> my dad got one of those cheapo solid-state MP3 players, if it's compatible with OS X it's probably compatible with Linux, right?
[12:31] <Pizbit> altan: Appears as a usb mass-storage device eh?
[12:31] <liten> it all kinda depends on what fs it uses
[12:31] <klasiphyd> liten, my x res is 1024, the greeter uses 1280
[12:31] <altan> Pizbit, don't know, mounting it
[12:31] <liten> klasiphyd: how did you manage that?
[12:32] <liten> my greeter used 1024, same as X, till i changed X to 1400x1050, and now the greeter uses the same
[12:32] <klasiphyd> i just changed my x res (computer>sys conf>screen res) when i logged in
[12:32] <klasiphyd> hmm
[12:32] <sn0wman> klasiphyd, you can specify your resolution in the "screen" section under the "Display" SubSection.  set Modes "whateverresolutionyouwant"
[12:32] <liten> ow, hmm, maybe its some strange user-based settings then?
[12:33] <sn0wman> ?
[12:33] <sn0wman> ... in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[12:33] <sn0wman> forgot to mention that part
[12:33] <liten> klasiphyd: the gdm greeter uses /etc/X11/XF86Config(-4)
[12:34] <liten> i am oldschool, so i edit that file when i wanna change resolution
[12:34] <altan> Okay, it's recognized it as mass storage on /dev/sdc, but I think I need to know what FS to mount it in
[12:35] <liten> altan: just try to mount it without a fs option?
[12:35] <dredg> thats the problem i find with being oldschool - you find out about the 'new' way long after it happens :)
[12:35] <sn0wman> klasiphyd, you should have a subsection like this under your "screen" section:
[12:35] <sn0wman> SubSection "Display"
[12:35] <sn0wman>                 Depth           24
[12:35] <sn0wman>                 Modes           "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[12:35] <sn0wman>         EndSubSection
[12:35] <klasiphyd> yeap
[12:35] <sn0wman> just set whatever you want for Modes
[12:36] <altan> liten: "You must specify the filesystem type
[12:36] <liten> "31323232 x 453566" doesnt always work
[12:36] <liten> altan: then try with vfat?
[12:36] <PunkBuster_> when i install ubuntu my windows primary partition gets destroyed
[12:36] <liten> strange that it doesnt autoprobe
[12:36] <PunkBuster_> ...
[12:37] <liten> PunkBuster_: its a part of the EvilPlanOfLinux(tm) to get rid of microsoft :P
[12:37] <altan> PunkBuster: it's a security feature ;)
[12:37] <Pizbit> PunkBuster_: That'd be because you screwed up the partitioning
[12:37] <dredg> haha. 3 answers, pick any 2 :P
[12:37] <liten> maybe we should write it as EVilplanOfLinux = evol (tm)
[12:37] <PunkBuster_> i've installed Mandrake, Fedora and SuSE without screwing them up before
[12:37] <liten> would be better
[12:38] <klasiphyd> alright ..see if that works bb
[12:39] <thoreauputic> PunkBuster_: are you sure it's "destroyed"? maybe it's just that the bootloader won't boot it?
[12:40] <PunkBuster_> not quite sure, the bootloader wont load it, and windows install doesn't find it either
[12:41] <|trey|> PunkBuster_, thats cuz they default to not repartition... SUSE and Mandrake care so much that they decided to even make it easier for you to have a shitty OS installed...
[12:41] <PunkBuster_> could be some error in my partition table, but i guess the data is there
[12:41] <PunkBuster_> i did the partitioning manual
[12:41] <PunkBuster_> i first used suse back in suse v5.1 when auto partitioning was a dream
[12:41] <|trey|> PunkBuster_, d-i defaults to using entire disk...
[12:41] <PunkBuster_> so i know how to do it
[12:42] <PunkBuster_> at least so i thought
[12:42] <|trey|> PunkBuster_, enless you changed that, you're fucked.
[12:42] <PunkBuster_> i changed that
[12:42] <thoreauputic> PunkBuster_: sometimes setting "lba" helps, I believe
[12:42] <PunkBuster_> i already had a linux partition
[12:42] <klasiphyd> sweet..
[12:42] <PunkBuster_> which i overwrote
[12:42] <|trey|> PunkBuster_, ahh... yeah... then ignore me  :)
[12:43] <altan> liten: thanks, works now
[12:43] <tuxx> Anyone know if there exist a newer hotplug subsystem than the one provided with Ubuntu ?
[12:43] <thoreauputic> PunkBuster_: see what sudo fdisk -l says
[12:44] <altan> by the way, can you guys recommend a not-crappy file manager for X? XFFM really sucks.
[12:44] <PunkBuster_> it says first partition is FAT32
[12:44] <MeAndU> I have added a share folder in my home dir with browsable,puplic = yes and writable=no and validusers = ubutu32 but when i tried logging from windows machine it doesnot accept the user or password why
[12:44] <|trey|> PunkBuster_, maybe check that GRUB is configured correctly... ensure that it what grub says (disk,partition) is is correct...
[12:44] <PunkBuster_> ok, i'll check
[12:45] <|trey|> Else, yeah, you could try the lba thing thoreauputic said...
[12:45] <tuxx> The one provided with Ubuntu is stalling often at boot
[12:45] <|trey|> Never heard of that though  :(
[12:45] <thoreauputic> PunkBuster_: well, looks like windows is still there then
[12:45] <PunkBuster_> yes
[12:45] <PunkBuster_> it does
[12:47] <|trey|> MeAndU, you are spelling ubuntu wrong correctly on both boxes?
[12:47] <|trey|> cough*hint*cough
[12:47] <|trey|> plus, I think nmb handles authentication?
[12:47] <thoreauputic> PunkBuster_: this might help; http://www.google.com/linux?q=lba+kernel+2.6+boot+grub&restrict=linux
[12:48] <thoreauputic> PunkBuster_: known issue with some 2.6.* kernels
[12:48] <MeAndU> |trey|, thanks it ia correctly spelled in both sides
[12:48] <|trey|> thoreauputic, what does restrict= do to a google search?
[12:49] <thoreauputic> |trey|: that's a google/linux search :)
[12:49] <thoreauputic> www.google.com/linux
[12:49] <|trey|> MeAndU, the line starting "plus" is act advice... other is not important really.
[12:50] <MeAndU> |trey|, Do i have to add the password to a certain file
[12:50] <MeAndU> |trey|, What plus
[12:50] <tuxx> What does "Also , try booting with idle=poll" mean? and where do I set that?
[12:50] <|trey|> MeAndU, all users should be added with smbuseradd (I think thats it)
[12:51] <MeAndU> |trey|, ok i will try and let you know
[12:51] <|trey|> MeAndU, k
[12:52] <|trey|> I always start it anyways... and it works that way  :/
[12:52] <MeAndU> |trey|, did not find smbuseradd, is this one same /usr/sbin/mksmbpasswd
[12:53] <|trey|> MeAndU, dpkg -l samba
[12:53] <|trey|> MeAndU, not part of sambaclient
[12:53] <|trey|> uhh, smbclient I mean, but yeah, its not part of it.../
[12:54] <Acridien> Why is Ubuntu based on the Debian distribution rather than another ?
[12:54] <|trey|> With samba installed, you should be able to do 'smbaddusr' or 'smbadduser' or 'smbuseradd' or 'smbusradd'... blah, its one...
[12:55] <MeAndU> |trey|, If you mean samba package it is installed i can see my ubuntu machine from windows networking
[12:55] <|trey|> Acridien, cuz debian is better than any other...
[12:55] <Acridien> |trey|: in what ?
[12:55] <|trey|> MeAndU, that means didly... smbclient is installed, thats why you can see it..
[12:55] <|trey|> Acridien, pretty much everything...
[12:56] <|trey|> Acridien, everything except release cycle and ease of use... Ubuntu tries to fix these things...
[12:56] <Acridien> |trey|: well i m not the defender of any distro, but could you give me some arguments
[12:57] <Acridien> |trey|: what is the advantage of .deb over .rpm ?
[12:57] <Acridien> |trey|: i.e
[12:57] <wims> i found out about my problem
[12:57] <Acridien> i don't know the differences
[12:57] <|trey|> Acridien, more control... more logical
[12:58] <wims> i formatted with fat32 last night, i forgot
[12:58] <wims> so now it works
[12:58] <wims> but under ntfs it wouldn't work
[12:58] <|trey|> Acridien, honestly, if you are not interested enough to do your own research, stick to rpm though  :/
[12:58] <thoreauputic> Acridien: it's more the advantage of apt-get and debian's policy with regard to organising repositories etc
[12:59] <|trey|> thoreauputic, minus apt-get due to that being available for slack and rpm based distro's...
[12:59] <|trey|> (slapt-get and apt-rpm)
[12:59] <thoreauputic> Acridien: so it's partly about the package management, partly also philosophical
[01:00] <|trey|> General package management and philosophies are why I use Debian systems..
[01:00] <thoreauputic> |trey|: true, it's really policy and better repos and organisation
[01:00] <|trey|> Such as the fact that almost every package in the world has been packaged by someone you can trust...
[01:01] <|trey|> Whereas with Red Hat etc.... you get a a decent set, then have to call upon some Random Joe for the rest of the packages you might want...
[01:01] <wims> it seems ubuntu.org wasn't ubuntus homepage
[01:01] <Acridien> wims: lol
[01:02] <|trey|> wims, ubuntu.com links to canonical  :/
[01:03] <MeAndU> I still did not see acommand to add a samba user, what other package to add for that
[01:03] <The_Bell> hi
[01:03] <thoreauputic> Acridien: more than you ever wanted to know about apt-get:
[01:03] <thoreauputic> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[01:03] <The_Bell> does anyone know how to disable a driver which is automatically loaded at boot time? in the hardware detection program
[01:03] <The_Bell> ubuntu loads the sata module of my motherboard automatically
[01:04] <The_Bell> and I don't want it to be loaded
[01:04] <PunkBuster_> can i get packages from a debian repository?
[01:04] <|trey|> MeAndU, smbadduser  is the command... like I said, it ought to be in samba
[01:05] <|trey|> PunkBuster_, sure
[01:05] <|trey|> PunkBuster_, would prolly be smart to just use hoary + sid though if anything  :/
[01:05] <|trey|> PunkBuster_, if Universe and Multiverse aren't good enough for ya   :/
[01:06] <thoreauputic> PunkBuster_: if you use the wrong ones, trouble will ensue...
[01:06] <PunkBuster_> ohoh
[01:06] <thoreauputic> PunkBuster_: best to follow the advice in the wiki and on the Ubuntu site :)
[01:07] <jdub> PunkBuster_: we don't encourage mixing debian and ubuntu repositories.
[01:07] <|trey|> jdub, you almost sounded official and stuff  ;)
[01:08] <MeAndU> |trey|, smbadduser command not found and i have samba installed ?
[01:08] <|trey|> MeAndU, I dunno what to tell you man... are you root? if not, why not? if you still don't see it... time to search google  :/
[01:09] <MeAndU> |trey|, I have searched installed files of samba package for smbadduser, nothing
[01:10] <MeAndU> |trey|, I am root yes
[01:11] <djzorro> Hello guys: my laptop's HD insists to spindown running ubuntu (even with AC connected). I tried to do hdparm -S0, but it still spidown. I checked /etc/init.d/hdparm and now added "nohdparm" to grub.. but before rebooting I want to know what do you think..
[01:11] <|trey|> MeAndU, blah, man smbpasswd ...
[01:11] <|trey|> third fucking link down "where is smbadduser"... don't tell me you searched!
[01:12] <|trey|> djzorro, I think you care entirely too much about a hd...
[01:13] <djzorro> Trey?
[01:14] <|trey|> djzorro, hd's die way too often to care imo :/
[01:14] <|trey|> Just make sure everything is backed up and move on  :/
[01:15] <djzorro> Erhm.. yes, but I just don't want that it spindown.. it hurts my hears.. and also slow me down, because it's all moments coming in/out when accessing the disk. :(
[01:15] <|trey|> djzorro, plus, you asked what we thought... didn't not specify of a technical nature  ;)
[01:16] <djzorro> Ok, guys.. I want that the hard-disk stay all time on (=spinning). What to do?
[01:16] <djzorro> :) This is a technical question.. :)
[01:16] <Acridien> thoreauputic: i had a look tx
[01:16] <|trey|> djzorro, ;)
[01:16] <Acridien> thoreauputic: interesting
[01:17] <|trey|> djzorro, mine just don't spin down... never played with anything  :/
[01:17] <thoreauputic> Acridien: I tried to find one in French, but couldn't . there might be a translation somewhere if you prefer it, although your english seems fine :)
[01:18] <MeAndU> |trey|, Thanks a lot, smbpasswd -a ubuntu32 did the trick
[01:18] <Acridien> thoreauputic: it's ok i want to improve my english
[01:18] <stvn> djzorro: checked the bios settigs?
[01:18] <|trey|> MeAndU, sorry @ the attitude... I told you smbadduser and 'google search' for a reason though  :/
[01:19] <|trey|> I don't like helping lazy people.
[01:19] <thoreauputic> Acridien: I should improve my French, but I'm lazy :)
[01:19] <vss> hi!
[01:19] <Acridien> thoreauputic: don't learn french learn Kreyol
[01:19] <|trey|> Acridien, ha, why you say that?
[01:19] <Acridien> thoreauputic: french is so boring due to its orthograph
[01:19] <|trey|> Acridien, French sounds so much better  ;)
[01:20] <Acridien> |trey|: you know kreyol ?
[01:20] <vss> i have the following issue: after installing ubuntu from a cd (without the network availabla) how do I configure the network afterwards? Is there an easy way.... I mean, I can edit /etc/network/interfaces manually, but I don't think it's the Ubuntu way
[01:20] <|trey|> Acridien, no, I have heard it spoken though...
[01:20] <Acridien> |trey|: spelling
[01:20] <Acridien> |trey|: it sounds like french as it derives from it and other languages such as spanish an english
[01:20] <|trey|> Acridien, ugh, why didn't you just say that then?  ;)
[01:20] <stvn> vss: computer>>system configuration>>network
[01:21] <Acridien> |trey|: just come into my mind :-)
[01:21] <thoreauputic> Acridien: well, I like the old french poets like Ronsard and Villon :)
[01:21] <vss> stvn: lemme check that out
[01:22] <mirak> is something like mac expos ?
[01:22] <Acridien> all interested go to http://www.kreyol.com/dictionary.html
[01:22] <mirak> is there something like mac expos ?
[01:23] <stvn> mirak: not a proper one in ubuntu
[01:23] <vss> stvn : can i configure pppoe with it?
[01:23] <mirak> stvn, that's realted to gnome ?
[01:23] <vss> stvn: pppoeconf is installed, but is console based
[01:24] <stvn> mirak: there was a project to include it in metacity, but that was slow and ugly and i think they're working on it in x.org/freedesktop
[01:24] <mirak> ok
[01:24] <jdub> no, there was a patch to metacity called expocity
[01:24] <stvn> vss: it has a ppp option
[01:25] <jdub> but it was done without using composite
[01:25] <jdub> and composite is not stable yet
[01:25] <stvn> jdub: ah yes, that was the one
[01:25] <vss> ppp option asks for a phone number, which is not the case with pppoe
[01:25] <jdub> and without composite, any attempt will be crap
[01:25] <mjr> indeed
[01:25] <|trey|> jdub, I was just about to say that... thus no hardware acceleration  :/
[01:25] <stvn> vss: hm, you've to try it, i don't have ppp/pppoe here so can't check
[01:26] <vss> yeah... ppp != pppoe so consolebased pppoeconf, ere i come
[01:26] <mirak> jdub that's not realtime zooming yet
[01:26] <Acridien> |trey|: you can see kreyol as french with phonetic spelling
[01:27] <|trey|> stvn, only wm in fd.o is waemia or whatever...
[01:27] <jdub> mirak: expose is not possible in any sane way with X as is
[01:27] <|trey|> waimea
[01:27] <ogra> hi all
[01:27] <stvn> |trey|: i mean that I knew of two projects, expocity and composite, just didn't know their names - my sentence wasn't clear though
[01:28] <|trey|> stvn, there is also a version for Kwin... but yeah...
[01:28] <|trey|> also no hardware accel... so yeah, kinda useless  :/
[01:28] <|trey|> Not that I don't think it is anyways...
[01:29] <altan> agh, what's the command to rename files with no extn to files with extn again?
[01:29] <altan> like, rename?
[01:29] <|trey|> Its just Mac thinking visually again...
[01:29] <|trey|> mv
[01:29] <mirak> jdub ah ?
[01:29] <|trey|> altan, no rename... just mv foo bar
[01:30] <altan> trey, that's what I thought, but it says when moving mutliple files, last argument must be a directory
[01:30] <Acridien> |trey|: i.e. the sound o can be written "o", "au", or "eau" etc.. :-)  whereas in kreyol it is mainly "o"
[01:30] <altan> what I did was mv * /MP3/*.mp3
[01:30] <|trey|> uhh... ok...
[01:30] <Acridien> |trey|: Voil :-)
[01:30] <|trey|> altan, mv foo bar here/
[01:31] <crimsun> you need a bit of shell scripting
[01:31] <altan> trey, I'm doing multiple files though
[01:31] <|trey|> altan, blah... mv *.mpg ~/MP3/
[01:31] <crimsun> for i in *; do; mv $i /MP3/$i.mp3; done
[01:32] <|trey|> crimsun, shut up, if what I am saying is too complex, that certainly is...
[01:32] <thoreauputic> |trey|: a one liner is too complex??
[01:32] <|trey|> thoreauputic, more complex then what I said? yes
[01:32] <altan> trey: cannot stat *.mp3, no such file or directory
[01:32] <altan> I'mm try crimsun's
[01:33] <altan> *ll
[01:33] <crimsun> altan: and if you have spaces in your mp3 file names, you need to use "" around $i, like "$i"
[01:33] <|trey|> altan, ha, I do that almost daily... but ok...
[01:34] <altan> bash: syntax error near unexpected token ";"
[01:34] <altan> crimsun, do I have to put this in a separate file?
[01:34] <thoreauputic> |trey|: umm... the files he wants to move don't have an extension - hence the error
[01:34] <crimsun> altan: remove the ';' after the for
[01:34] <crimsun> altan: or type it one line at a time
[01:35] <crimsun> zsh syntax differs from bash slightly
[01:35] <ogra> crimsun: you probably want mv -i just for security ..... we had a guy here that lost serveral files last week
[01:35] <|trey|> grrr @ my sound dying again  :(
[01:35] <altan> ogra: I believe that was me :)
[01:35] <ogra> ahh
[01:35] <altan> I'm doing the same files actually
[01:36] <altan> but I removed ubuntu and then put it back on again
[01:36] <crimsun> ogra: true. I'm presuming `pwd` != /MP3
[01:36] <altan> I had allt he files backed up, so
[01:36] <ogra> altan: so while trying use mv -i, if youre sure it does no harm leave -i
[01:37] <altan> ugh it's still prompting me to hold down enter to confirm each file
[01:37] <altan> >
[01:37] <altan> that's all, I just have to press enter all the time
[01:37] <ogra> altan: are the filenames ok ? so leave -i
[01:37] <ogra> so/then
[01:37] <crimsun> altan: nah, that's probably my fault. The correct bash syntax is: for i in *; do mv $i /MP3/$i.mp3; done
[01:38] <|trey|> Anyone else get frequent sound outages with Rhythmbox?
[01:38] <Treenaks> crimsun: with "" added around "$i"
[01:38] <altan> okay, nothing has changes
[01:38] <crimsun> Treenaks: yes, I mentioned that above.
[01:38] <altan> *d
[01:39] <Acridien> |trey|: what is outage ?
[01:39] <|trey|> Plus, I really recommend someone fix XMMS in hoary too..
[01:39] <|trey|> Acridien, umm... stops
[01:39] <ogra> Acridien: silence in this case
[01:40] <dredg> bmp :)
[01:40] <altan> works now
[01:40] <dredg> beep-media-player works (tm)
[01:40] <|trey|> silence drives me crazy  :(
[01:40] <ogra> |trey|: sing....
[01:40] <|trey|> dredg, blah... only reason I even have it installed is cuz the new mplayer packages in hoary depend it...
[01:41] <|trey|> ogra, that doesn't work... I just get songs stuck in my head and end up even more frustrated  :(
[01:41] <dredg> |trey|: replace the songs in your head with voices
[01:41] <dredg> or are they giving you the silent treatment?
[01:41] <ogra> |trey|: so you should import a different playlist *g*
[01:42] <|trey|> ogra, no... sound is dead, not rhythmbox...
[01:42] <thoreauputic> dredg: no his medication silences those :D
[01:42] <ogra> oh
[01:42] <|trey|> ogra, ie, either rhythmbox just farted, or esd did... or maybe even alsa  :/
[01:42] <dredg> thoreauputic: pah. medication is overrated
[01:42] <thoreauputic> dredg: funnily enough I agree with you :)
[01:43] <dredg> thoreauputic: about esd or medication? :)
[01:43] <|trey|> thoreauputic, I am a convicted felon, drug offenses... they won't give me medication enless I am dying...
[01:43] <PunkBuster_> trey lol
[01:43] <ogra> dredg: esd is  dropped in hoary ;)
[01:43] <|trey|> dredg, hmm, they should make something conflict it then  :(
[01:44] <|trey|> ogra, &
[01:44] <Keybuk> ogra: it's planned to be dropped, it hasn't actually been dropped yet
[01:44] <dredg> |trey|: use a decent soundcard? my sb live has 32 dsps. i have no need of esd or any other shonky tat
[01:45] <|trey|> Keybuk, hmm, k, when ya do drop it, make ubuntu-desktop conflict it or something...
[01:45] <Keybuk> why?
[01:45] <Pizbit> Is dmix replacing esd?
[01:45] <ogra> Keybuk: ...ok, it to be dropped ;)
[01:45] <ogra> it/is
[01:45] <Keybuk> assuming something actually contains the same files (which, actually, I think the replacement does) ... a conflict isn't appropriate
[01:45] <|trey|> dredg, stfu, thats not helpful... enless you want to buy it for me... it works more often then not... I have my sound going 24/7, about once every other day it dies  :/
[01:46] <Keybuk> in fact, yes, the replacement (polypaudio) does Replace+Conflict it
[01:46] <|trey|> An X restart fixes it  :/
[01:46] <|trey|> I just don't know what causes it  :/
[01:46] <dredg> |trey|: dont use esd then and rely on alsa/oss to handle the audio without 'help' from esd?
[01:46] <ogra> Keybuk: ..oh, is the decision for polypaudio already made ?
[01:46] <Keybuk> ogra: I think we're trying to influence it upstream first :o)
[01:46] <|trey|> Keybuk, why not Jackd or simular? never even heard of that?   :(
[01:46] <jdub> not fully
[01:47] <ogra> Keybuk: *g*
[01:47] <jdub> |trey|: jack doesn't directly solve the same problem
[01:47] <Keybuk> |trey|: it's a drop-in replacement for esd, rather than a different infrastructure
[01:47] <|trey|> dredg, ugh... its not even esd that I'm using... its gstreamer...
[01:47] <Pizbit> Ah sweet, so apps just need to know esd eh?
[01:48] <Keybuk> |trey|: what output sink is gstreamer using?
[01:48] <|trey|> Keybuk, no idea... how would I know?
[01:48] <|trey|> s/know/find out
[01:48] <Keybuk> gstreamer-properties
[01:48] <ogra> |trey|: gstreamer-properties
[01:49] <|trey|> Keybuk, ugh... esdsink  :(
[01:49] <|trey|> none of the others work though  :/
[01:49] <Keybuk> yeah, that's the default
[01:49] <sysop> Question: Anyone here getting Ubuntu security announcements? If so, are they very frequent? Just curious before I sign up. Thanks!
[01:49] <dredg> |trey|: kill esd in the face and change the sink
[01:49] <Keybuk> |trey|: install polypaudio instead -- it's in warty
[01:49] <Acridien> I'm wondering how a bad shutdown can affect filesystem
[01:49] <|trey|> dredg, umm, the others have NEVER worked...
[01:49] <Keybuk> and keep it at esdsink
[01:50] <joh_> wasnt there supposed to be a new wallpaper today?
[01:50] <dredg> |trey|: probably because esd is grabbing the dsp, preventing anything else from using it?
[01:50] <|trey|> Keybuk, I'm using Hoary, not default yet?
[01:50] <Keybuk> |trey|: it's still installable
[01:51] <|trey|> dredg, no, NOTHING BUT ESDSINK HAS EVER WORKED... EVEN WITH ESD NOT INSTALLED, WITHOUT IT, RHYTHMBOX JUST DOESN'T WORK... UNDERSTAND?
[01:51] <jdub> dredg: you are right :-)
[01:52] <jdub> dredg: on some sound cards, there can only be one writer to /dev/dsp
[01:52] <jdub> dredg: in which case, esd 'locks' it up
[01:52] <jdub> and no other process can open it
[01:52] <jdub> thus, we've attempted to get everything talking to esd
[01:52] <jdub> not necessary on emu10k1 cards and the like
[01:52] <jdub> but easier on everyone
[01:52] <|trey|> jdub, umm, he's right if esd is running, nothing else can use it... but without it even installed no other option works  :/
[01:52] <ogra> so what about the dmix discussion ?
[01:52] <dredg> jdub: thatnks, was doubting my sanity for a moment :)
[01:53] <|trey|> :/  idc   :/
[01:54] <ogra> is there a +/- list polypaudio/dmix anywhere ?
[01:54] <jdub> they're totally different things
[01:54] <ogra> i know
[01:55] <ogra> but i understood the're the discussed alternatives
[01:55] <dredg> jdub: im not blasting the idea of using esd for everything - it makes sense. just from personal experience, i tend to kill it off
[01:57] <|trey|> Someone please copy and paste this to the dude that put me on ignore: Sorry to be rude, but I did not ask for help, I mearly asked if anyone else gets the same issue... I knew how to fix it.
[01:57] <|trey|> Thanks
[01:57] <thoreauputic> Acridien: if the system is writing to disk when the bad shutdown happens, it can corrupt the file system
[01:58] <jdub> dredg: when i have nice sound cards, i do too :)
[01:58] <dredg> |trey|: thats alrihgt. i didnt actually put you on ignore. damn work interfered with irc
[01:58] <jdub> my latest two machines have bong ones
[01:59] <|trey|> jdub, the new sound thinger, installed, and now I get no sound at all... any ideas? I don't even know where to check for this one  :(
[02:00] <jdub> log out, log in
[02:00] <|trey|> jdub, just did, thats where I just went  ;)
[02:02] <|trey|> jdub, strange thing is, its not reporting an error, it just isn't playing anything... have not changed anything settings wise other then installing the new sound daemon though...
[02:03] <|trey|> ugh @ being about to hit something  :(
[02:04] <|trey|> dredg, see, now that you tried to help, I end up with NO sound, rather then just restarting and getting it back  :/
[02:04] <|trey|> dredg, helping isn't always useful  :/
[02:05] <dredg> oh, ok. so thats my fault. i see.
[02:05] <|trey|> (restarting X)
[02:05] <dredg> patently obvious
[02:05] <|trey|> dredg, if you hadn't tried to help, no one would have recommended me a sound daemon that isn't working...
[02:06] <dredg> how about i just kill myself now? will that make it all better?
[02:06] <gruberman> lol:
[02:06] <|trey|> Perhaps, lets see...
[02:06] <stvn> hehe
[02:06] <ogra> dredg: better kill -HUP
[02:06] <gruberman> dredg: Do it quick and painless please
[02:07] <housetier> some people just should not ask for help nor comments
[02:07] <|trey|> dredg, it might not make my sound start working, but it might make me feel better...
[02:07] <dredg> |trey|: seriously, i dont have time for this shit. nobody asked you to follow my (very vague) reccomendations - and they were RECOMMENDATIONS, not instructions - and i sure as hell didnt hold a gun to your head
[02:07] <dredg> you want me to fix it for you, i will. you can pay me
[02:07] <|trey|> housetier, I asked for neither... I just wanted to know if others get ESD outages at all...
[02:08] <|trey|> I don't ask for help on IRC most of the time... its faster to google  :/
[02:08] <dredg> contract fees start at EUR200/hour, minimum purchase 2 hours
[02:08] <dredg> thanks, bye
[02:08] <housetier> es the kindergarten children should go back to sleep now
[02:08] <housetier> this is a channel for grown ups
[02:08] <|trey|> dredg, afaik, you didn't even recommend the new sound daemon... but whatever  :/
[02:08] <stvn> housetier: since when? ;)
[02:09] <gruberman> |trey|: we've got idea. please stop now
[02:09] <housetier> stvn, uhm well since I got fed up with little kids that won't stop crying :)
[02:09] <stvn> housetier: heh, good point
[02:09] <dredg> sorry folks. didnt mean to lose my temper, but i dont have time for this.
[02:10] <dredg> :)
[02:10] <ogra> thanks sysop
[02:13] <stvn> sysop: hm, that includes people who don't run or support ubuntu too? - damn ;)
[02:14] <gruberman> hey dredg, I have a problem with my sound. could you help me?
[02:14] <gruberman> :)
[02:15] <ogra> lol
[02:15] <dredg> gruberman: yes.
[02:15] <dredg> go to a store
[02:15] <dredg> buy several bottles of jd
[02:15] <dredg> drink them
[02:15] <dredg> all your sound problems will go away
[02:15] <stvn> hehe
[02:15] <HWolf> dredg, the poor guy needs an awnser. :-)
[02:15] <stvn> why not do the van Gogh routine?
[02:16] <ogra> dredg: they'll be doubled tomorrow morning ;)
[02:16] <stvn> lol
[02:16] <gruberman> dredg: are you sure? will I get sound then? :)
[02:17] <rachet> hi i downloaded edonky and kazaa for linux but how do i install it ?
[02:17] <dredg> gruberman: theres a good chance you'll hear something...
[02:17] <freakabcd> hi all
[02:17] <freakabcd> any idea when the shipping will start?
[02:17] <dredg> lunchtime :)
[02:17] <jdub> freakabcd: see topic :)
[02:17] <stvn> rachet: is there an kazaa for linux?
[02:17] <ogra> stvn: limewire
[02:17] <Treenaks> stvn: not really
[02:18] <jind> stvn, gift :)
[02:18] <freakabcd> jdub, well.. few weeks includes 52 weeks == 1 year :p
[02:18] <stvn> right
[02:18] <jind> limewire sucks
[02:18] <Treenaks> stvn: gtk-gnutella?
[02:18] <rachet> stvn: no but it is  a edonky for linux
[02:18] <stvn> gift is nice,
[02:18] <ogra> yep...but works with kazaa
[02:18] <jind> Limewire is written in java, and is really slow
[02:18] <jind> www.giftproject.org
[02:18] <jdub> freakabcd: during november :)
[02:18] <jind> There you should get started
[02:19] <housetier> rachet, you could try mldonkey, 2.5.29 was *just* released
[02:19] <stvn> jind: I have gift up n running already, was just curious about 'kazaa for linux'
[02:19] <Acridien> rachet: wait for that http://hydranode.com/
[02:19] <jind> Gift support kazaa, opendc and gnutelle networks
[02:19] <Acridien> jind: http://hydranode.com/
[02:19] <rachet> lihousetier : the problem is not the program but i dont know how to install  a program on linux.that i downloaded
[02:20] <stvn> rachet: depends how you got it, easiest is to pick a program from synaptic
[02:20] <housetier> mldonkey will have a package, and good documentation
[02:20] <Acridien> rachet: what is the pkg format ?
[02:20] <jind> Acridien, Thanks mate. I'll read it in a bit :)
[02:21] <Acridien> jind: the dev guy is really skilled
[02:21] <rachet> stvn: i know but i want a program that i downloaded
[02:21] <jind> Right now this body needs some exercise :)
[02:21] <stvn> Acridien: looks very much like gift
[02:21] <|trey|> jdub, what was it you had me install? I forget  :(
[02:22] <stvn> rachet: what's the extension of your downlaoded program?
[02:22] <Acridien> stvn: ?
[02:22] <Acridien> stvn: what do you mean ?
[02:22] <rachet> is it possible on linux to install a program that you  downloaded ?
[02:22] <stvn> Acridien: that hydronode thing of yours has a similar concept as gift
[02:22] <ogra> |trey polypaudio
[02:22] <rachet> i downloaded edonky2000 for linx and i want to install it! how ?
[02:22] <Acridien> what is gift ?
[02:23] <stvn> rachet: yes, but it depends on how the program is packaged
[02:23] <|trey|> Acridien, gift.org
[02:23] <altan> rachet Linux doesn't support new programs, you can only run programs from the CD :(
[02:23] <rachet> stvn: .rpm
[02:23] <stvn> rachet: it could be dpkg -i program, sh program, rpm -i program, tar -zxf program; ./configur,make,make isntall etc etc
[02:23] <stvn> rachet: ah, thank you
[02:23] <ogra> rachet: alien <yourfile>.rpm
[02:24] <stvn> rachet: easiest is to install alien and use alien
[02:24] <|trey|> http://gift.sourceforge.net/  I mean
[02:24] <ogra> stvn: it there by default
[02:24] <ogra> is
[02:24] <stvn> ogra: ah, didn't check
[02:24] <rachet> is alien on synaptic ?
[02:24] <|trey|> rachet, already installed
[02:24] <ogra> rachet: no you have to do it on the commandline :(
[02:25] <stvn> rachet do 'sudo alien pragram.rpm' on the commandline, where program.rpm is the name of the program
[02:25] <rachet> ttp://ftp.ural.ru/home/index/unix/net
[02:25] <ogra> hey bob2
[02:25] <mirak> ubuntu uses the same system than OS X, with users admin  etcetera ?
[02:26] <mirak> admin group
[02:26] <bob2___> aloha
[02:26] <|trey|> Hmm, is polypaudio's paman in hoary?
[02:26] <ogra> remember my tecra problem ?
[02:26] <|trey|> bob2, sup man  :)
[02:26] <ogra> bob2
[02:26] <bob2> ogra: yeah
[02:27] <jdub> |trey|: no
[02:27] <|trey|> jdub, [sadface] 
[02:27] <rachet> stvn: didnt work
[02:28] <ogra> bob2: it turned out that the module isnt loaded if i put it in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base instead of /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[02:28] <bob2> ogra: hrm
[02:28] <ogra> bob2: shouldnt /etc/hotplug/blacklist override here ?
[02:28] <bob2> I was pretty sure blacklist itself wasn't overridden
[02:30] <The_Bell> anyone here using the ubuntu amd64 distro?
[02:30] <ogra> i dropped it in the laptop wiki page now :)
[02:30] <stvn> rachet: what does it say?
[02:30] <The_Bell> I'm having brokden dependencies with the kde metapackage from the universe repository
[02:31] <Acridien> rachet: is it a .rpm ?
[02:31] <bob2> ogra: ah, thanks
[02:32] <ogra> bob2: but i still think there is something wrong with hotplug here...
[02:33] <bob2> ogra: does it stay in /etc/hotplug/blacklist after a reboot?
[02:33] <topyli> i did it again. gnome panel crashed and i pressed "restart" in the crash dialog. what results of course is the original panel restarts as well, and i get an edless flurry of "panel already running" error dialogs :(
[02:33] <bob2> (when you add it directly)
[02:33] <ogra> bob2: yes it did, but was loaded anyway
[02:34] <altan> hmm, isn't rox-filer on apt?
[02:35] <stvn> altan: only on debian i guess
[02:35] <ogra> |trey|: are you sure its a esd/polypaudio prob ?
[02:36] <|trey|> ogra, uhh... its the only thing that ever touches /dev/dsp ... things try to play, but I hear nothing..
[02:36] <|trey|> Get no errors, would seem like its working, just get no sound...
[02:36] <stvn> |trey|: tried to put on the volume eg unmute?
[02:36] <ogra> *g*
[02:36] <ogra> would have been my next one
[02:36] <|trey|> stvn, I should hit you for thinking I am that dumb  ;)
[02:37] <stvn> ogra: i spend an entire day trying to figure out why my sound wasn't working once ;)
[02:37] <|trey|> checked rhythmbox sound, main sound, and Volume Control...
[02:37] <stvn> |trey|: it isn't that dumb, since alsa has a very hidden mute function
[02:37] <ogra> stvn: but now its always the first place you look at i guess...
[02:38] <stvn> ogra: yeah
[02:38] <bob2> The_Bell: please don't use public away in here, thanks
[02:38] <stvn> |trey|: checked in alsamixer? that's the only sound mixer that matters
[02:38] <|trey|> stvn, well, before it died earlier... with esound, everything was working earlier...
[02:38] <stvn> |still, have you checked?
[02:39] <wulfy> noob question: I'm using passwordless authenication with ssh to admin my server - I want to transition from Xandros to Ubuntu
[02:39] <wulfy> can I transfer those keys?
[02:39] <wulfy> or are they tied to the machine/installation ?
[02:39] <|trey|> stvn, everything in there looks the same as GNOMEs Volume Control...
[02:40] <bob2> wulfy: you can transfer them
[02:40] <ogra> wulfy: they should be tied to the user
[02:40] <paulproteus> wulfy: You can transfer them.  Just make a copy of your .ssh directory from your $HOME.
[02:40] <altan> can anyone recommend a good file manager for X?
[02:40] <stvn> |trey|: no MM somewhere up the bars that mattter (PCM Volume)
[02:40] <wulfy> bob2,ogra,paulproteus: thanks - that's what I was hoping to hear
[02:40] <|trey|> stvn, looks normal...
[02:40] <stvn> |trey|: ok, was worth a shot ;)
[02:41] <thoreauputic> altan: it's really a matter of opinion/personal taste I guess
[02:41] <paulproteus> wulfy: If I were you, I'd just regenerate the keys, though.
[02:41] <altan> thoreauputic, I'm looking for suggestions as the only ones I know are nautilus and xnc, xnc is fugly :)
[02:41] <|trey|> stvn, nothing but mic and phone are muted... everthing else is max  :(
[02:41] <stvn> altan: being a former RISC OS user I can appreciate ROX-filer, but nautilus works just fine for me now
[02:42] <altan> stvn, I'm in a GNOME-free environment at the moment
[02:42] <thoreauputic> altan: if you were looking for rox, there are debian packages for it linked from the rox site - but you need a 'mime tools" deb as well
[02:42] <ogra> |trey|: did you upgrade anything ?
[02:42] <ogra> |trey|: before polypaudio i mean
[02:42] <freakabcd> whats the package management in ubuntu ?
[02:42] <|trey|> ogra, not since yesturday...
[02:42] <|trey|> freakabcd, deb/apt
[02:42] <altan> thoreauputic, I'll try that unless there are any other suggestions
[02:42] <wulfy> paulproteus: ? reason?
[02:42] <freakabcd> |trey|, ah cool
[02:42] <ogra> |trey|: and it worked since ?
[02:43] <altan> freakabcd, apt, like in debian
[02:43] <stvn> altan: you still can run nautilus there ;) but i get your point, mc is nice as well ;)
[02:43] <freakabcd> yeah thanks altan
[02:43] <thoreauputic> altan: do you need graphical/ pretty picture thumnails etc ?
[02:43] <|trey|> ogra, never since polypaudio was installed... broke right before, requiring a restart of X to fix...
[02:43] <thoreauputic> *thumbnails
[02:43] <altan> thoreauputic, I'd like something with antialiased fonts
[02:43] <|trey|> ogra, polypaudio will be default though, so I would prefer to get that working  :(
[02:44] <stvn> altan: there is also gmc
[02:44] <paulproteus> wulfy: I don't know, I just always regenerate my keys when I change clients.  /me shrugs
[02:44] <ogra> |trey|: youre already running hoary ?
[02:44] <stvn> altan: dunno if it does AA
[02:44] <altan> graphical is also a plus but it's not the make or break feature, the m-o-b is X compatibility
[02:44] <altan> gmc, I'll see
[02:44] <|trey|> ogra, *nods*
[02:44] <stvn> *sigh*
[02:44] <wulfy> paulproteus: the reason I ask - is, I'd have to modify authorized_keys2 on maybe 20 servers, transferring seems like a good option
[02:44] <altan> stvn, not listed on Synaptic :(
[02:44] <altan> I'll try to install rox then
[02:45] <paulproteus> wulfy: *Good* reason! :)
[02:45] <thoreauputic> altan: on the command line try : apt-cache search file | grep manager | less
[02:46] <ogra> |trey|: you modules are loaded proper ? /dev/dsp is there ?
[02:46] <|trey|> stvn, umm... I've ran Sid for 3 years... that sigh better not be for me...
[02:46] <ogra> your
[02:46] <thoreauputic> altan: that should give you something to look at anyway
[02:46] <|trey|> ogra, yes... when attempting to play a sound, I get no error...
[02:46] <altan> thoreauputic, I searched for manager on Synaptic (with universe enabled), the result list was kind of pitiful
[02:47] <|trey|> ogra, it plays, but no sound... volume is not issue though...
[02:47] <ogra> |trey|: laptop/desktop ?
[02:48] <|trey|> On a side note: I keep getting egg related errors... doesn't appear to break anything though  :/
[02:48] <|trey|> ogra, desktop
[02:48] <ogra> |trey|: i know you'll beat me now..... cables checked ?
[02:48] <topyli> |trey|: power on the speakers already :)
[02:48] <stvn> hehe
[02:48] <|trey|> ogra, less then an hour ago... sound was working...
[02:48] <ud> Hi, can someone tell me the command to use to configure X?
[02:48] <|trey|> I have done nothing but install polyport since then.
[02:48] <stvn> |trey|: just ctrl-Z for another hour and you're fine again ;)
[02:48] <ogra> ud: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:49] <netmonk> hello! I'm trying to install ndiswrapper. It asks for a folder /lib/modules/<kernel version>/build but there is no build folder, what should i do?
[02:49] <|trey|> uhh polypaudio
[02:49] <ud> ogra: thanks
[02:49] <|trey|> stvn, grr @ you  :(
[02:49] <ogra> netmonk: the ubuntu package ?
[02:49] <netmonk> which one?
[02:49] <stvn> |trey|: hehe, anyway why don't you just uninstall polypaudio?
[02:49] <thoreauputic> altan:  http://rox.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/DebianLinux
[02:50] <|trey|> stvn, due to it being the future default and not wanting to do this again  :(
[02:50] <altan> thoreauputic, I'm there
[02:50] <ogra> netmonk: ndiswrapper-utils
[02:50] <netmonk> aha, it's installed
[02:50] <stvn> |trey|: good point, you installed the polypaudio-alsa modules as well?
[02:50] <|trey|> stvn, hmm, nope... that might just help  ;)
[02:51] <stvn> heh
[02:51] <ogra> netmonk: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/
[02:51] <freakabcd> newsreader? which ones are good? i want gui only newsreaders, so trn won't do
[02:51] <stvn> |trey|: while you're at it, install clients and X11 as well, just for fcks sake
[02:51] <netmonk> 10x ogra
[02:53] <thoreauputic> altan: be aware that rox-session is not what you want - only rox-filer
[02:53] <ogra> more than IRC.....
[02:53] <stvn> ogra: maybe, or you get annoyed by 9 others trying to do your work, eating your food spending your money etc ;)
[02:53] <altan> thoreauputic, the instructions look a bit complicated, I'm trying to see if there's a way I can get it through apt, since it's already included with sid
[02:53] <paulproteus> I like pan as a newsreader, freakabcd.
[02:54] <freakabcd> ah pan..
[02:54] <ogra> stvn: ok, the money is a point.... just enough for me....
[02:54] <thoreauputic> altan: yep, that would be a lot easier
[02:55] <thewax> hello
[02:55] <ogra> hi
[02:55] <thewax> im kinda nYb in linux, just wanted to know where i could find a list of all things i can get with "apt-get" :)
[02:55] <thewax> with ubuntu offc
[02:55] <stvn> thewax: synaptic
[02:56] <stvn> thewax: it's in computer>>system settings
[02:56] <altan> thewax: if you want console try aptitude
[02:56] <ogra> thewax: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticTutorial
[02:56] <thewax> ooh
[02:56] <thewax> cool
[02:56] <thewax> thx :>
[02:56] <|trey|> all installed... restarted x again... same thing...
[02:56] <Manny> hi
[02:56] <thewax> enjoying ubuntu btw
[02:56] <thewax> nice work
[02:57] <Manny> my 2.6.8 debian and ubuntu systems have big XFS file system problems (crashes, lockups). I was told that this is normal in recent 2.6 kernels. Is this true?
[02:57] <Manny> the 2.6.9 changelog seems to contain some XFS fixes - any experiences?
[02:57] <netmonk> ogra, thanks a lot - it works now :)))
[02:57] <ogra> netmonk: ;)
[02:57] <ogra> Manny: nope
[02:57] <ogra> Manny: xfs works fine on serveral machines i got
[02:58] <ogra> Manny: with 2.6.8
[03:01] <Manny> ogra thanks
[03:01] <|trey|> jdub, restarted x... have all polypaudio packages installed... checked volume repeatedly, recieve no errors... but am getting no sound  :(
[03:01] <ogra> Manny: are you sure its not HW related ?
[03:02] <altan> is there a non-GNOME version of GAIM?
[03:02] <Manny> ogra: no, I'm not
[03:02] <|trey|> altan, not currently, although its possible afaik
[03:02] <Manny> it might actually be a combination of hw and sw problems
[03:02] <stvn> altan: kopete?
[03:02] <altan> kopete? I'll look for that
[03:02] <|trey|> altan, just use kopete for kde, and centericq for console...
[03:03] <Manny> my mainboard passed away 1 or 2 months ago, I've got a new one <=> problems
[03:03] <ogra> Manny: hmm
[03:03] <ogra> Manny: probably it killed other components while dying :(
[03:04] <Manny> ogra: huh
[03:04] <Manny> weird
[03:04] <bob2> |trey|: then revert to esd
[03:04] <altan> I'll try bitlbee
[03:04] <ogra> bob2: i dont think its the soundserver.....
[03:05] <bob2> me either
[03:05] <|trey|> bob2, ugh... and just prolong the problems? it'll happen when hoary switches again anyway, I have time now though  :/
[03:05] <bob2> let someone who can fix it hit the problem than
[03:05] <jasund> Manny: in almost all of my incidents of crashes and lockups, I've found the memory modules suspect.
[03:05] <stvn> |trey|: hopefully they've ironed out those bugs with the hoary release
[03:05] <|trey|> ogra, what else would it be?
[03:05] <ogra> |trey|: wait till x.org gets in....(breaking fun)
[03:05] <altan> Manny: How could you! It uses USB to speed up your internet, fully supports all operating systems from Windows 95 to Windows XP, and comes with friendly management software that's so good, you won't need the rest of your OS anymore!
[03:06] <|trey|> ogra, I am actually looking forward to that  :)
[03:06] <stvn> |trey|: they're just started at it, so they might not have found *all* transition bugs between esd and polyp
[03:06] <ogra> |trey|: dunno, but if somethings wrong, RB locks up normally, probably the preamp on your card died....
[03:06] <stvn> ogra: hence I'm not going to switch to hoary before the major x.org breakage is over ;)
[03:07] <|trey|> ogra, nothing died... well, except esound like an hour ago...
[03:07] <ogra> |trey|: why are you so sure esd died ?
[03:08] <gruberman> stvn: there will be alot of questions about x.org when hoary is released :)
[03:08] <liten> of course :)
[03:08] <|trey|> ogra, because it dies about once every 48 hours roughly, and restarting it gets sound working again  :/
[03:08] <liten> you can just charge money from all the users of ubuntu, and continue using XFree :)
[03:09] <ogra> |trey|: thats news
[03:09] <stvn> gruberman: indeed
[03:09] <ogra> |trey|: you didnt tell about every 48hrs
[03:09] <bob2> xfree86 is free-as-in-beer, just not as-in-useful.
[03:09] <ogra> lol
[03:09] <gruberman> stvn: I think I will wait too.
[03:09] <stvn> every 48hrs, sounds like some other fault in the sound system
[03:09] <|trey|> ogra, then, I have streams playing all the time, only stop when the stream dies or when esd dies...
[03:10] <ogra> |trey|: define "esd dies"
[03:10] <|trey|> huge diff though... one complains about "unable to access /dev/dsp"... other complains about gnome-vfs probs...
[03:10] <|trey|> ogra, get no sound, /dev/dsp being unreachable ...
[03:11] <ogra> |trey|: is the process running ?
[03:11] <|trey|> ogra, uhh... it was when it was installed...
[03:11] <Manny> |trey| lsof /dev/dsp
[03:12] <|trey|> esd     18157 trey    5w   CHR   14,3      4709 /dev/dsp      <-- actually polypaudio though...
[03:12] <Manny> |trey| this is esd, not polypaudio
[03:12] <|trey|> Manny, umm... well esound isn't installed  :/
[03:12] <Manny> |trey| which esd
[03:12] <bob2> just use esound, dude
[03:13] <ogra> |trey|: did you kill esd before installing ?
[03:14] <|trey|> ogra, yup... and just did again to be sure...
[03:15] <ogra> |trey|: reinstall esd.....
[03:15] <ogra> |trey|: or pay dredg ;)
[03:16] <stvn> lol
[03:16] <Jimi-Jam> hi
[03:16] <ogra> |trey|: he seems to need the money ;)
[03:17] <|trey|> ogra, yeah, umm thats not funny  :/
[03:17] <|trey|> ogra, probably would have been if I had said I got sound working, and you said "yay, now you don't have to pay dredg" though   ;)
[03:17] <ogra> |trey|: i know, but you knew hoary is called unstable....or didn't you
[03:18] <|trey|> ogra, I did... but generally, things do what they are meant to do  :\
[03:18] <Jimi-Jam> yesterday I've installed ubuntu and I have some problems with the sound on gnome, I hope u can/want help me :(
[03:18] <|trey|> I've never seen MAS/aRts/esd simply decide they don't wanna play  :/
[03:18] <stvn> |trey|: hoary is uberunstable ATM I guess
[03:18] <ogra> |trey|: in your case i doen't look like
[03:19] <ogra> +s
[03:19] <|trey|> stvn, no, just it would seem polypaudio is very broken...
[03:19] <bob2> hoary is totally still in developer-only mode...
[03:19] <Jimi-Jam> I have 3 soundcards, an integrated Intel soundcard, a SBLive1024 and a SB128
[03:19] <bob2> Jimi-Jam: why?
[03:19] <ogra> boah
[03:19] <Jimi-Jam> cause of mixing applications and I make music sometimes :)
[03:20] <Jimi-Jam> *mixing sound apps
[03:20] <Jimi-Jam> then
[03:20] <|trey|> bob2, blah, with esound, everything was fine... no problems in like 2 days  :/
[03:20] <gruberman> Jimi-Jam: what programs do you use for making music?
[03:20] <|trey|> (well, none that I wasn't seeing in warty)
[03:20] <Jimi-Jam> I use that programs on windows, not Linux
[03:20] <ogra> |trey|: so revert it (now)
[03:20] <bob2> |trey|: yes, lots of things in hoary are broken
[03:20] <ogra> |trey|: esd i mean
[03:21] <gruberman> Well, me too. Have a Maya44 and use SBLive for midi only
[03:21] <|trey|> bob2, so far, only polypaudio  :/
[03:21] <bob2> Jimi-Jam: blacklist the drivers you don't want
[03:21] <bob2> |trey|: yes, lots of things are broken in hoary, and only developers should use it
[03:21] <Jimi-Jam> here, in Linux is enough for me the SBlive works for video, music and gnome sound events playing
[03:21] <ogra> Jimi-Jam: find the drivers
[03:21] <bob2> ogra: no
[03:21] <Jimi-Jam> Im Linux newbie
[03:21] <bob2> ogra: the problem is that hotplug loads all the drivers automatically
[03:21] <Jimi-Jam> but I think the drivers are installed
[03:21] <bob2> ogra: and semi-randomlyu
[03:22] <Jimi-Jam> when I go to volume control the 3 soundcards appears
[03:22] <ogra> Jimi-Jam: add them to /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base
[03:22] <Jimi-Jam> on alsa mixer
[03:22] <Jimi-Jam> but something strange happens
[03:22] <ogra> bob2: ?
[03:23] <bob2> Jimi-Jam: can you paste the output of "lsmod | grep snd_" to #flood
[03:23] <stvn> ogra: not in the same order all the time
[03:23] <Treenaks> bob2: soundcard order can be fixed with a custom udev rules file, afaik
[03:23] <bob2> ogra: all 3 modules get loaded, and everything gets confused by the "prefered" sound card not being card 0
[03:23] <Jimi-Jam> cause my 3 soundcars appears but it appears too SigmaTel STAC9721/23 and USB Audio Class Driver in OSS Mixer
[03:23] <bob2> Jimi-Jam: 00:23:00           bob2 | Jimi-Jam: can you paste the output of "lsmod | grep snd_" to #flood
[03:23] <Jimi-Jam> maybe that cause the webcam and video TV capture cards?
[03:23] <bob2> yes
[03:23] <Jimi-Jam> ok, I paste
[03:24] <ogra> bob2: yeah, so he should find the unwanted ones and blacklist them ;)
[03:24] <bob2> Treenaks: do you know how?
[03:24] <Treenaks> bob2: www.reactivated.net/udevrules.php -- but I've only made rules for my CD burner
[03:25] <Treenaks> don't know how well it works with alsa
[03:25] <Jimi-Jam> ogra but I want to use my TV card and webcam if that SigmaTel and USB AudioCard driver is of that
[03:26] <Jimi-Jam> bob2 I've pasted the output of the command at #flood
[03:26] <Jimi-Jam> what do u think about it?
[03:26] <ogra> Jimi-Jam: bob2 will help you :)
[03:26] <Jimi-Jam> I hope :D
[03:26] <bob2> add  snd_bt87x,  snd_intel8x0,  snd_ens1371 to /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base
[03:26] <bob2> each on a seperate line
[03:27] <Jimi-Jam> but
[03:27] <Jimi-Jam> then
[03:27] <ogra> bob2: tv card ?
[03:27] <Jimi-Jam> will the TV video work after that?
[03:27] <bob2> no
[03:27] <Jimi-Jam> oh :\
[03:27] <bob2> you can load the module for it after boot if you want
[03:27] <Jimi-Jam> but I want it working
[03:28] <ogra> bob2: couldnt he force the order in /etc/modules ?
[03:28] <bob2> no
[03:28] <ogra> k
[03:28] <bob2> Jimi-Jam: yes, get your sound card working, then worry about this
[03:28] <Jimi-Jam> oukei
[03:28] <Jimi-Jam> I add that lines
[03:29] <ogra> |trey|: ;))))
[03:30] <|trey|> Even though I wasn't able to file a bug due to no real feedback or enlightenment as to the actual problem  :/
[03:30] <ogra> |trey|: "yay, now you don't have to pay dredg" though   ;)
[03:30] <ogra> |trey|: just for the record
[03:30] <|trey|> ogra, haha  :)
[03:31] <Jimi-Jam> bob2 I've added that 3 lines in the file
[03:31] <Jimi-Jam> have I to restart now?
[03:31] <ogra> Jimi-Jam: unfortuantely yes....
[03:31] <bob2> no
[03:31] <ogra> oh
[03:31] <Jimi-Jam> :)
[03:31] <bob2> but it's easier than explaining how to work around it
[03:31] <bob2> so just do it
[03:32] <Jimi-Jam> Im coming back
[03:32] <|trey|> bob2, you know it would be fun really  ;)
[03:32] <ogra> bob2: manually unloading ?
[03:32] <bob2> ogra: yes
[03:32] <|trey|> ogra, yes, man rmmod
[03:32] <ogra> urgh
[03:32] <bob2> ogra: which obviously doesn't "really" test hotplug
[03:33] <ogra> bob2: hotplug restart does not ?
[03:33] <bob2> ogra: a bazillion modules will already be loaded
[03:33] <ogra> bob2: but you only look for the blacklisted ones....should work....
[03:34] <ogra> anyway, thats esoteric...rebooting is the best
[03:35] <ogra> |trey|: tape it :)
[03:35] <bob2> that's wasteful
[03:36] <|trey|> bob2, but atleast my uptime would be greater  8)
[03:36] <ogra> |trey|: youre jobless ?
[03:36] <|trey|> ogra, yeah, attending college though... can just be doing it remotely...
[03:36] <|trey|> just a bunch of Server 2003 labs anyways  :/
[03:37] <ogra> |trey|: but still need time to do it....
[03:37] <|trey|> So its not like there isn't enough waiting anyways  :/
[03:37] <|trey|> ogra, blah... about 80% of my time is spent waiting on the fucking thing to do what I asked..
[03:38] <|trey|> No joke.. and this is a P4 with 512 RAM...
[03:38] <Jimi-Jam> rehi
[03:38] <|trey|> I was under the impression it would be faster than 2k Server... someone lied horribly  :(
[03:38] <Jimi-Jam> it remains appearing all my 3 soundcards and sound events don't work :(
[03:39] <babangida> hola
[03:39] <|trey|> babangida, habla anglais?
[03:40] <babangida> yes
[03:40] <|trey|> babangida, much better  :)  hi
[03:40] <babangida> ok
[03:40] <babangida> i need help
[03:40] <Jimi-Jam> bob2
[03:40] <babangida> just started with ubuntu
[03:40] <babangida> and i'm having some trouble
[03:40] <babangida> if i want to execute a .sh file from the console, how should i do it?
[03:40] <ogra> babangida: tell us
[03:40] <Jimi-Jam> bob2, it remains appearing all my 3 soundcards and sound events don't work :(
[03:40] <bob2> Jimi-Jam: ok
[03:40] <bob2> babangida: sh ./foo.sh
[03:40] <Jimi-Jam> what can I do now?
[03:41] <|trey|> babangida, needs to be told where it is... so uhh, what bob2 said  :)
[03:41] <babangida> ok
[03:41] <babangida> thanks
[03:41] <babangida> i was going crazy
[03:41] <babangida> :(
[03:42] <|trey|> babangida, path on *nix doesn't look in current dir by default... hence ./ part
[03:42] <Jimi-Jam> I do be going crazy with sound :(
[03:42] <bob2> Jimi-Jam: try asking for the list
[03:42] <babangida> :D
[03:42] <Jimi-Jam> asking for the list? what do u mean?
[03:42] <|trey|> bob2, s/for/on/ ?
[03:42] <bob2> bah
[03:43] <bob2> Jimi-Jam: asking on the list
[03:43] <|trey|> bob2, ;)
[03:43] <Jimi-Jam> what list
[03:43] <bob2> Jimi-Jam: read the topic
[03:43] <babangida> oh, just another question
[03:43] <babangida> i have on my HD Windows XP and Ubuntu
[03:43] <Jimi-Jam> ok
[03:43] <babangida> and GRUB won't let me boot WIndows
[03:43] <|trey|> babangida, no need to state you will be asking a question, just ask  ;)
[03:43] <Jimi-Jam> nothing else can help me here?
[03:44] <babangida> ok trey :$
[03:44] <babangida> anyone got the same problem and got to solve them?
[03:44] <babangida> shall i change grub for lilo?
[03:45] <Treenaks> babangida: no, just edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:45] <Treenaks> babangida: (assuming windows is not in the grub list..)
[03:45] <|trey|> babangida, http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html see if that is useful...
[03:46] <ogra> babangida: you miss windows in the grub menu on startup ?
[03:47] <babangida> ogra: my problem is i get both ubuntu and XP to choose on the grub menu
[03:47] <babangida> but when i choose XP
[03:47] <babangida> nothing happens
[03:48] <cardador> babangida: not good :\
[03:48] <cardador> babangida: maybe you have a screwed partition, happened to me before
[03:48] <neur0mancer> hi people. i have little problem with ogg vorbis and rhythmbox. can anybody help me?
[03:48] <babangida> i guess my problem is i got GRUB on the MBR
[03:49] <babangida> and i should have got it on /boot
[03:49] <|trey|> babangida, should be irrelivent...
[03:49] <babangida> really?
[03:49] <|trey|> I've had it working both ways  :/
[03:49] <babangida> well, i just don't know what to do about that issue
[03:49] <|trey|>  Install GRUB on the first sector of the /boot  partition. DO NOT INSTALL IT ON THE MBR!.
[03:50] <|trey|> I take that back
[03:51] <thoreauputic> babangida: this might help; http://www.google.com/linux?q=lba+kernel+2.6+boot+grub&restrict=linux
[03:51] <|trey|> cept I swear that worked... guess not though  :/
[03:51] <babangida> any way of fixing that matter without having to reinstall?
[03:51] <|trey|> thoreauputic, thats what I did... first link = what I told him  ;)
[03:51] <cardador> babangida: i had to change the hd geometry from auto to LBA. you can do that on your pc BIOS
[03:51] <|trey|> babangida, out of curiosity, how big is windows partition?
[03:52] <babangida> 31GB
[03:52] <thoreauputic> cardador: that's the relevant bit
[03:52] <ogra> babangida: nothing happens means _really_ nothing ? no errors ?
[03:52] <cardador> ogra: it was the same with me, black screen only after choosing windows
[03:53] <thoreauputic> babangida: read what cardador did ^^^
[03:53] <ogra> babangida: the LBA thing sounds reasonable
[03:53] <babangida> all I see is the commands grub has executed when trying to boot windows (that is root(h0,0); chainloader +1,etc...)
[03:53] <babangida> but nothing moves
[03:53] <|trey|> babangida, SERIOUSLY READ: http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html
[03:53] <babangida> |trey|: i was reading it... :$
[03:54] <Treenaks> |trey|: NO NO NO.. that's booting Linux from the Windows bootloader, that's even worse
[03:54] <|trey|> says 'with grub'...
[03:54] <ogra> babangida: first try switching on LBA in the BIOS.....if it doesnt work, come back
[03:55] <thoreauputic> |trey|: do try to give advice that is sensible, rather than just pulling answers out one after another :/
[03:55] <babangida> can someone briefly explain me what's all that HD geometry stuff?
[03:55] <Treenaks> |trey|: yes, it's about booting grub from the windows bootloader..
[03:55] <ogra> babangida: and we'll try to help further....
[03:55] <babangida> ok
[03:55] <babangida> just going to take a look
[03:56] <babangida> thank you so much everyone ;)
[03:56] <|trey|> Treenaks, it talks about LBA... it talks about the GRUB file... it talks about everything he needs... and its not complicated  :/
[03:57] <edulix> hello !
[03:57] <agwibowo> hello
[03:57] <|trey|> thoreauputic, I say what I would use... the more they ask that it answers, the more I inforce...
[03:57] <agwibowo> does anyone ever successfully connect win 2003 mobile to synch with linux?
[03:58] <|trey|> agwibowo, I don't get the question... sync what exactly?
[03:58] <edulix> is there any ubuntu enable .deb repository(ies) with: software suspend 2, kernel 2.6.9, muine, monodevelop..?
[03:58] <agwibowo> Pocket PC
[03:58] <agwibowo> win 2003 mobile
[03:58] <ogra> |trey|: a PDA
[03:58] <|trey|> ahh... nope, never mind...
[03:58] <agwibowo> ic....
[03:59] <agwibowo> that's the only reason that left me using windows... all other things.. i can do in linux...
[03:59] <|trey|> agwibowo, should have brought a Zaurus  (I think thats what they are called..)
[03:59] <|trey|> Linux PDA's...
[03:59] <agwibowo> hmmm
[03:59] <|trey|> bit late now though  :(
[03:59] <agwibowo> yes
[03:59] <agwibowo> but i like my ipaq
[03:59] <agwibowo> ehhehe
[04:00] <|trey|> I've used them... kinda neat... able to play movies etc on them...
[04:01] <bob2> 8 hours of power
[04:01] <bob2> awesome
[04:01] <agwibowo> yea
[04:01] <|trey|> bob2, far better than a laptop  :)
[04:01] <|trey|> not to mention lighter  :)
[04:02] <agwibowo> oh well... pity that i can't synch it with linux
[04:02] <daniels> bob2: it's called an x40
[04:02] <ogra> agwibowo: http://www.multisync.org
[04:02] <agwibowo> ogra: i tried that
[04:03] <|trey|> agwibowo, its sync, not synch  ;)
[04:03] <agwibowo> it only supports up to win 2002 i think
[04:03] <ogra> :(
[04:03] <bob2> daniels: bah
[04:03] <agwibowo> trey: eheheh been to much doing project with synchronisation... and I've always written synch... :P i guess my friend were laughing at me constantly
[04:04] <jazzka> I mount windows partition on /mnt/temp but a normal user can't access this directory
[04:04] <ogra> agwibowo: otherwise: www.handhelds.org *g*
[04:04] <jazzka> what can I do?
[04:04] <rapha> Bah
[04:04] <rapha> Can't get that damn soundcard to work with ALSA...
[04:04] <agwibowo> ogra: oh.. thx.. i'll have a look
[04:04] <|trey|> agwibowo, checked out SynCE?
[04:04] <thoreauputic> agwibowo: given the spelling of "synchronise", I'd say "synch" is quite valid :)
[04:05] <haha> jazzka, you can "su - " for root
[04:05] <|trey|> I don't even see a list of supported devices on there site though :/
[04:05] <agwibowo> the problem is that they are not stable yet with win 2003.. i'm just scared using unstable programs
[04:05] <agwibowo> i've tried synCE... no results...
[04:05] <|trey|> :(
[04:05] <bob2> might be worth buying supportable hardware in future :-)
[04:06] <jazzka> haha, I've mounted the partition being root, but I want to access that partition like a normal user
[04:06] <jazzka> not root
[04:06] <agwibowo> i guess..
[04:07] <ogra> jazzka: mount with umask=000
[04:07] <jazzka> ogra, how can I do that? with a "umask 000" first?
[04:08] <|trey|> jazzka, -o user ... man mount
[04:08] <babangida> hi, i'm back (and i've read the whole document |trey| told me
[04:08] <ogra> sudo mount -o umask=000 /par/ti/tion /mount/point
[04:08] <babangida> nothing happened
[04:08] <|trey|> babangida, any luck with the bios info?
[04:08] <babangida> no
[04:08] <ogra> jazz:
[04:08] <arun--> when i mount the ntfs partition on /media/win, the win becomes readonly
[04:08] <|trey|> babangida, turned on LBA, still no go?
[04:08] <arun--> how do i make it writeable
[04:09] <babangida> i just couldn't find the LBa thing
[04:09] <|trey|> arun--, ntfs is currently ro, thats why
[04:09] <ogra> babangida: in yopur system BIOS
[04:09] <|trey|> arun--, write is not supported
[04:09] <babangida> i know
[04:09] <babangida> but i just couldn't finds it
[04:10] <|trey|> babangida, hmm... that kinda sucks...
[04:10] <arun--> |trey|: :( ok atleast i can read from it and transfer files as root
[04:10] <|trey|> babangida, what kinda BIOS is it?
[04:10] <agwibowo> has anyone ever installed linux on pda ?
[04:10] <babangida> lets see..
[04:10] <|trey|> arun--, yup... even edit them if you cp... but perm's are lost  :(
[04:10] <babangida> can't remember
[04:10] <bob2> agwibowo: www.familiar.org
[04:10] <ogra> agiw: 2 years ago...yes
[04:10] <agwibowo> i wanted to try to install linux on my old casiopeia..
[04:10] <babangida> AWARD maybe, is that possible?
[04:11] <|trey|> agwibowo, thats kinda what Zaurus does...
[04:11] <agwibowo> ogra: how was it?  fun?
[04:11] <ogra> agiw: didnt use my ipaq since
[04:11] <arun--> |trey|: thank you
[04:11] <ogra> agwibowo: but worked fine back then
[04:11] <agwibowo> ogra: too scared to install on my ipaq.. it's still new.. also that I paid for the windows software.. why do i bother to erase something that i paid for.. ehehhe
[04:12] <|trey|> agwibowo, you paid for windows on your PC too...
[04:12] <agwibowo> different story with my old casiopeia... it's old already.... if i sell it.. i can't make a lot of money out of it... so i might have a little fun playing around with it
[04:12] <arun--> |trey|: i think he hasnt deleted it,
[04:12] <|trey|> (more then likely at least)
[04:12] <agwibowo> my pc is not a built up pc
[04:12] <ogra> agwibowo: depends on the HW (mem/flash) you got, on a recent ipaq you can get a complete debian running (intimate)
[04:12] <agwibowo> i bought it parts by parts
[04:13] <agwibowo> ogra: ic...
[04:13] <babangida> is there any way i can get grub out of the MBR and get it into a new /boot without having to reinstall anything?
[04:13] <jazzka> how can I restore to previous umask?
[04:13] <bob2> it's per-process
[04:13] <rapha> Is there a way to get alsaconf back?
[04:13] <bob2> log out and back in again
[04:13] <jazzka> I dont remember the previous value
[04:13] <bob2> rapha: what do you need it for?
[04:13] <arun--> i bought a thinkpad, and i had to pay for the winxp prof, and i got a lousy gpu from ati
[04:13] <|trey|> babangida, fdisk -mbr I think... man fdisk to be sure..
[04:14] <babangida> fdisk/mbr
[04:14] <babangida> i know that
[04:14] <|trey|> babangida, thats dos
[04:14] <babangida> but how can i create /boot?
[04:14] <cardador> babangida: dont do that
[04:14] <|trey|> babangida, already there...
[04:14] <rapha> bob2: Well, detecting my sound card.
[04:14] <bob2> rapha: no
[04:14] <bob2> rapha: the module will be loaded by hotplug
[04:14] <cardador> babangida: even if you format your hd, windows wont boot
[04:14] <|trey|> babangida, should prolly make it bootable though  ;)
[04:15] <|trey|> I forget how to do that with fdisk though...
[04:15] <cardador> babangida: you have to fix it by changing the LBA thing
[04:15] <|trey|> can use cfdisk... pretty straight forward in there...
[04:15] <rapha> bob2: Well, it won't. This is an HP OmniBook 4100 with a CS4238B sound chip, and it required some more attention to get it working :/
[04:15] <bob2> rapha: which alsa module does it use?
[04:15] <cardador> |trey|: this has happened to me before, fdisk /mbr does not fix it
[04:15] <agwibowo> does anyone know a good webpage editor like dreamweaver in linux?
[04:16] <babangida> ok cardador
[04:16] <bob2> agwibowo: emacs
[04:16] <babangida> thanks once again
[04:16] <arun--> anybody has the HP notebook which they sell with linux on it, forgot the model number
[04:16] <bob2> edulix: or screem or mozilla composer
[04:16] <|trey|> babangida, listen to cardador
[04:16] <cardador> agwibowo: bluefish
[04:16] <babangida> going to take a look
[04:16] <agwibowo> ok....
[04:16] <babangida> so changing the HD geometry tl LBa should solve it then...
[04:16] <thoreauputic> |trey|: he doesn't need to wipe his mbr - he needs to fix his BIOS: this is a known issue with some 2.6.* kernels
[04:16] <cardador> babangida: i guess it will
[04:16] <ogra> bob2: HP = noapic/nolapic
[04:16] <babangida> ok
[04:17] <bob2> haha
[04:17] <babangida> thanks!
[04:17] <cardador> babangida: look for AUTO on your hd section
[04:17] <|trey|> thoreauputic, it would appear his BIOS doesn't support that though... so on to the next idea...
[04:17] <rapha> bob2: It works fine with the cs4232 OSS module (loaded manually), but I need ALSA. The appropriate ALSA module would be cs4236, according to the driver database at alsa-project.org.
[04:17] <agwibowo> also....
[04:17] <bob2> rapha: no, it will have a snd_ prefix
[04:17] <agwibowo> when i tried to run freshclam, it says that my clamav is out of date...
[04:17] <bob2> rapha: does "modprobe snd-cs4281" work?
[04:17] <agwibowo> but when i do apt-get update on my clamav.... i can't get newer version...
[04:17] <thoreauputic> |trey|: yes but don't jump to conclusions when your suggestions could endanger someones data :/
[04:17] <agwibowo> what should i do?
[04:18] <edulix> bob2: ? :P
[04:18] <adsb-work> agwibowo: Two choices. Convince someone to package clamav 0.80 for Ubuntu, or ignore it :)
[04:18] <ogra> agwibowo: why do you want a newer version ?
[04:18] <bob2> if a more recent version is in sid, it should be synced soon
[04:18] <|trey|> thoreauputic, my logic... if it won't work one way... lets try the other... but ok... lets fuss for a while then maybe he will do what I said at first...
[04:18] <agwibowo> ogra: coz i cant update the virus database unless i get newer version of clamav
[04:19] <rapha> bob2: Yes, but it doesn't make sound work.
[04:19] <ogra> agwibowo: thats odd...
[04:19] <adsb-work> agwibowo: It *does* update, it just can't use all of the functionality
[04:19] <agwibowo> WARNING: Your ClamAV installation is OUTDATED - please update immediately !
[04:19] <agwibowo> WARNING: Current functionality level = 2, required = 3
[04:19] <agwibowo> Database updated (26112 signatures) from database.clamav.net (218.44.253.75).
[04:19] <agwibowo> ERROR: Clamd was NOT notified: Can't find or parse configuration file /etc/clamav/clamav.conf
[04:19] <agwibowo> ooo
[04:19] <bob2> agwibowo: please don't paste tons of stuff in here
[04:19] <bob2> rapha: sudo invoke-rc.d alsa restart
[04:19] <agwibowo> sorry2
[04:19] <thoreauputic> |trey|: your attitude is reckless. Sorry. Also you don't seem to consider the possibility that you might be wrong
[04:20] <adsb-work> agwibowo: That's a successful database update. Are you running clamd?
[04:20] <agwibowo> i think so...
[04:20] <adsb-work> Then you should have /etc/clamav/clamav.conf ...
[04:20] <agwibowo> err no
[04:20] <agwibowo> i did not run it
[04:20] <agwibowo> how to run it? i don't have it.. should i download it?
[04:20] <|trey|> thoreauputic, umm, I handed him a HOWTO that worked for me... how is that reckless?
[04:20] <edulix> any one used software suspend 2 in ubuntu ?
[04:20] <rapha> bob2: Says it didn't find any soundcards
[04:21] <adsb-work> agwibowo: If you want to run clamav as a daemon, install clamav-daemon :)
[04:21] <edulix> it seems to be a wonderful way of using a laptop :)
[04:21] <adsb-work> If you don't, don't
[04:21] <bob2> rapha: does dmesg detect it?
[04:21] <agwibowo> ok ok thx
[04:21] <edulix> I just don't know how to use it in warty
[04:21] <arun--> is there a "stable" branch like in debian?
[04:22] <rapha> bob2: Let me look it through. In any case it doesn't show up through either lspci or pnpdump.
[04:22] <bob2> arun--: warty is the stable release
[04:22] <babangida> hi once again
[04:22] <bob2> edulix: it requires building your own kernel
[04:22] <ogra> arun--: hoary will be in april
[04:22] <bob2> rapha: um, if it didn't show up in lspci, you have bigger problems
[04:22] <agwibowo> good night everyone..
[04:22] <agwibowo> thx for the ideas
[04:22] <babangida> just came in to thank you |trey| & cardado
[04:22] <babangida> r
[04:22] <babangida> it worked! :D
[04:23] <|trey|> babangida, yay... I think cardador is more to blame for being able to access Windows though  ;)
[04:23] <babangida> hehehehe
[04:23] <babangida> :D
[04:23] <babangida> it was just the LBA thing
[04:23] <babangida> and it all worked...
[04:23] <edulix> bob2: do you know if the next ubuntu will ship with the kernel patched with swusp 2 ? =)
[04:23] <bob2> edulix: depends if it's stable or not
[04:23] <bob2> edulix: swsusp2 will be in hoary soon
[04:24] <rapha> bob2: Nope; nothing about it in dmesg, except for the error messages when I was trying to load modules.
[04:24] <ogra> arun--: goood idea;)
[04:24] <bob2> I should ask nigel cunningham
[04:24] <|trey|> babangida, ugh, you said that wasn't there?
[04:24] <bob2> rapha: error message?
[04:24] <rapha> bob2: Well, it works with the OSS driver.
[04:24] <rapha> bob2: Yeah, like "CS4232: soundcard not found or device busy".
[04:24] <bob2> rapha: did you unload the OSS module?
[04:25] <cardador> babangida: good to know :)
[04:25] <rapha> bob2: I wasn't able to so I cold-rebooted.
[04:25] <edulix> BTW, when I boot the pc, when starting hotplug I get plenty of errors related to hp devices and hw_random, in which log are this things stored ?
[04:25] <bob2> rapha: so the OSS module isn't loaded?
[04:25] <ogra> bob2: its isa !!
[04:25] <rapha> bob2: Correct.
[04:25] <bob2> edulix: it's harmless, /var/log/bootlogd or so
[04:25] <bob2> rapha: oh, it's an ISA device?
[04:26] <rapha> ogra: Who would build a laptop with two different bus systems?
[04:26] <bob2> morons
[04:26] <edulix> bob2: harmless but annoying hehe
[04:26] <bob2> unfortunately, it does happen
[04:26] <rapha> bob2: Seems like it, but then why is it not detected by pnpdump?
[04:26] <bob2> edulix: you're rebooting too often then ;-)
[04:26] <rapha> (Plus, who builds a laptop with ISA *and* PCI???)
[04:26] <bob2> rapha: that I have no idea about, I only started using linux after I got a pure-pci machine
[04:26] <ogra> rapha: dunno, probably cheaper HW
[04:26] <bob2> try asking on the users list
[04:27] <mjr> rapha, perchance it's not even a pnp isa chip :)
[04:27] <bob2> I'm not sure if hotplug is supposed to find it or not
[04:27] <rapha> ogra: This is an HP OmniBook 4100. This one ain't have been cheap when it was new.
[04:27] <edulix> bob2: well, I would not reboot too often if I had software suspend working :P
[04:27] <thoreauputic> |trey|: regarding reckless; <thoreauputic> |trey|: he doesn't need to wipe his mbr - he needs to fix his BIOS: this is a known issue with some 2.6.* kernels . Gues what worked? And guess which google search I pointed hime to?
[04:27] <bob2> edulix: hah
[04:27] <ogra> rapha: i've seen other weird things :(
[04:27] <bob2> edulix: have you tried swsusp1?
[04:27] <rapha> mjr: Well, you can tell the BIOS to auto configure it or choose the ports and stuff yourself
[04:28] <edulix> bob2: this is a laptop, not a server
[04:28] <edulix> bob2: no, how cna i?
[04:28] <rapha> bob2: So you say it should work with the 4281 driver?
[04:28] <|trey|> thoreauputic, I saw that... however he had just come back saying he couldn't find this option  :/
[04:28] <ogra> rapha: cs423x is for you
[04:28] <mjr> rapha, I'd recommend setting it yourself via the BIOS then, and tell the setting to the proper module manually
[04:28] <mjr> settings
[04:28] <edulix> bob2: If I remmember correctly, it ships with the kernel. but how can I activate it ?
[04:29] <ogra> rapha: but dont ask for the setup :(
[04:29] <bob2> edulix: swsup requires no hardware support
[04:29] <bob2> edulix: you need to build your own kernel atm
[04:29] <rapha> ogra: Don't ask for what setup?
[04:29] <bob2> rapha: I have no idea about ISA at all
[04:29] <edulix> bob2: so not even swsusp 1 is shipped with default ubuntu kernel ?
[04:29] <rapha> bob2: Well, I've been using since 1995, so I do have experience with ISA devices. But this thing is a bitch.
[04:29] <ogra> rapha: how to set isa stuff up.....
[04:29] <rapha> ogra: Ah, okay.
[04:29] <bob2> edulix: swsup requires major kernel config surgery
[04:30] <rapha> Well, I did get it working with OSS :)
[04:30] <bob2> edulix: ie there was not enough time by half to get it going in warty
[04:30] <edulix> ahh
[04:31] <rapha> ogra: There are many options for that driver. I know I can configure an AdLib port, a "just a port", and an SB port in the BIOS, plus two DMA channels and an IRQ. But the BIOS says nothing about DMA sizes, which are driver options, too. Any idea what the driver might expect here?
[04:31] <edulix> well, then if I try to use one, that would be the swsusp 2.1 for 2.6.9, I guess
[04:31] <edulix> anyway, now I must go
[04:31] <bob2> yeah
[04:31] <ogra> rapha: nope....sorry
[04:31] <bob2> that will be in hoary's kernel soon
[04:32] <rapha> ogra: Okay, thanks. I'll keep trying :)
[04:32] <edulix> oh, the final question: I've installed firefox-locale-es, but firefox is still in english. how can I configure it to spanish es-ES ?
[04:32] <edulix>  firefox -UILocale es-ES -contentLocale ES don't work
[04:32] <ogra> rapha: try moduinfo <modulename>
[04:32] <ogra> rapha: try modinfo <modulename>
[04:32] <ogra> sorry
[04:32] <rapha> ogra: Well, that tells me what options are available, but not how to fill them ;)
[04:33] <edulix> well, I'll try that later. bye !
[04:33] <ogra> rapha: there is probably google your best friend :/
[04:33] <MosQuiman> Hi!
[04:35] <scaroo> hi ppl! i installed NetworkManager packages from http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/ but i m unable to use it as a simple user, have to sudo it //
[04:35] <scaroo> any hints ?
[04:36] <bob2> aren't those the ones tom told no one to use?
[04:36] <scaroo> ooooh really ?
[04:36] <tseng> ya like it says right on the page
[04:36] <wvukro> Is there a livecd for ppc?
[04:36] <ogra> bob2: thats like saying hoary is highly unstable, everyone switches ;)
[04:36] <scaroo> hey it is working here but only as root
[04:37] <bob2> scaroo: "NetworkManager is known to be non-functional on Debian/Ubuntu right now. I'm working on a fix."
[04:37] <bob2> wvukro: no
[04:37] <bob2> ogra: yeah, exactly
[04:37] <arun--> now that i have winxp and ubuntu on two different partitions in a single harddisk, is it possible for me to boot into linux from winxp,
[04:37] <bob2> wvukro: if it's a new-world ppc, it will almost certainly work
[04:38] <wvukro> bob2: I've got ubuntu working.  I want a ppc livecd to do a bad blocks scan on my root partition.
[04:38] <ogra> arun--: nope, reboot is needed...
[04:38] <ogra> arun--: afaik
[04:38] <scaroo> arun--, you can use vmware using your linux partiton as guest os image, but be careful, fstab needs changes
[04:38] <scaroo> (and grub params too)
[04:38] <bob2> wvukro: a normal install cd probably has enough to do that
[04:38] <daniels> bdale: hey dude
[04:38] <fabbione> hey bdale !
[04:39] <arun--> scaroo: but from what i understand, i need to install ubuntu from inside vmware or the other way, install winxp from inside vmware?
[04:39] <bdale> daniels: dude
[04:39] <wvukro> bob2: I couldn't find e2fsck on the normal install cd....
[04:39] <bdale> fabbione: howdy
[04:39] <bob2> wvukro: on your hard disk, if it's not completely boned
[04:39] <ogra> bob2: hard to use if its mounted :|
[04:40] <wvukro> bob2: Perhaps I'm being stupid...  but I don't think I can do a bad blocks scan on my root partition, which is currently mounted.
[04:40] <bob2> um, right
[04:40] <bob2> sorry, it's late
[04:41] <ajross_> hey everybody
[04:41] <wvukro> so, basically, I'm just looking for any halfway decent livecd that runs on ppc.
[04:41] <ogra> wvukro: there was a way (long ago) forcing it with remounting ro before, but it cant repair anything ....
[04:41] <scaroo> arun--, you can tell vmware to use a physical partition as disk image, so that shouldnt be a problem. actually i boot into my netbsd both from vmware under ubuntu and physicaly
[04:42] <ajross_> what can I do about burning audio cds in Ubuntu - k3b is not workable and neither is xcdroast or gtoaster, anybody ideas?
[04:42] <ogra> wvukro: dunno if fsckk still supports it
[04:42] <wvukro> there is a flag to fsck to pass that you can use if you can run it... but I want to run fsck from the disk that I want to repair....
[04:43] <scaroo> is it me or has font rendering improve since upgrade to  hoary (gtk2.5.X) ??
[04:43] <ogra> wvukro: you could use gentoo or knoppix ...
[04:44] <cardador> ajross_: what do you mean with not workable?
[04:44] <ogra> wvukro: afaik they have ppc
[04:44] <wvukro> ogra: looking.  And I'll cease this non ubuntu conversation....
[04:47] <ajross_> cardador: k3b just crashes all the time - at random points
[04:47] <desp> hi again
[04:47] <ajross_> xcdroast doesnt do audio, and gtoaster can't understand a non scsi interface since 2.6 doesn't use ide-scsi
[04:47] <ajross_> (it can't see /dev/pg0)
[04:47] <desp> can I talk to someone knowledgeable about the ubuntu installer?
[04:47] <poin_t> hi
[04:48] <poin_t> can I talk to someone with experience with SATA RAID? :)
[04:48] <RuNe\> hi, I have a problem with gnome-panel, when I log into the GDM one window show me an error that "gnome-panel is running" and another that "gnome-panel is exit unexpectedly" could someone help me?
[04:48] <ajross_> poin_t: I use a SATA drive, it's the only drive in my ssystem so its not RAID, but if you just need info on SATA then i can help
[04:49] <poin_t> ajross_: cool. what controller is it hooked on? how's the performance compared to PATA and SCSI?
[04:49] <desp> I'm trying to find out if  the ubuntu installer is always supposed to generate an initrd
[04:50] <Mithrandir> desp: it is
[04:50] <desp> Mithrandir: ah. do you know where should it place the generated initrd?
[04:50] <ajross_> poin_t: I cant compare it to scsi as I dont have a scsi drive but i can say its definitely worth going SATA over PATA
[04:51] <Mithrandir> desp: /boot/initrd-$version
[04:51] <ajross_> I have a KT8 VIA board (ABIT) it works great
[04:51] <poin_t> ajross_: why? what's the improvement that you feel on yours?
[04:51] <ogra> desp: still trying with your old world ppc ?
[04:51] <ajross_> i have two similar vintage 120GB drives, one sata one pata, sata is best
[04:51] <Mithrandir> poin_t: the cabling is a lot easier to handle.
[04:51] <desp> Mithrandir: on my system the partitioner doesn't automatically create a /boot partition. do you think that if I create one by hand, the initrd will get placed there?
[04:52] <desp> ogra: yup
[04:52] <Mithrandir> desp: then it's on your root partition, in the /boot directory.
[04:52] <amathis> heh..
[04:52] <amathis> did someone take out the gnaughty pkg to fix it?
[04:52] <poin_t> Mithrandir: ah yeah.. much tidier and easier to work with on bends
[04:52] <ogra> Mitha: old world ppc -> desp
[04:52] <ogra> Mithr:
[04:53] <desp> thanks, brb
[04:54] <Mithrandir> poin_t: and you don't have that silly a length limit, you get hotplug (though linux doesn't support that yet)
[04:54] <poin_t> Mithrandir: hotplug = hotswap capability?
[04:54] <synapse> yeah
[04:54] <synapse> hotplug is kewl
[04:55] <Matt|> hi is anyone around?
[04:55] <synapse> although it can get a bit annoying
[04:55] <synapse> i am
[04:55] <synapse> :P
[04:55] <poin_t> no hotplug in 2.4 AND 2.6? =\
[04:55] <Matt|> hi synapse
[04:55] <poin_t> hi Matt|
[04:55] <synapse> hi Matt|
[04:55] <ogra> Matt|:  no, nobody around here ;)
[04:55] <Matt|> i have a problem with aterm: i have updated my system and now when I attempt to resize the window it loses transparency.
[04:55] <Matt|> ogra, man you work 24 hours huh
[04:55] <ogra> Matt|: only 275 ppl
[04:56] <synapse> Matt|: hmm...... that has never happened to me.
[04:56] <Matt|> i posted my problem to the list but no one has replied
[04:56] <ogra> Matt|: i dont work here ;) just fun
[04:56] <Matt|> ogra, really? you are not dev?
[04:56] <ogra> Matt|: i whish i were....but no
[04:56] <Matt|> oh
[04:56] <Matt|> they should be paying you for your support services ;0
[04:57] <Matt|> who uses aterm with warty upgraded?
[04:57] <Mithrandir> poin_t: yes.
[04:57] <ogra> Matt|: and sice i'm in here i dont get any dev done :(
[04:57] <stvn> ogra: heh
[04:57] <Matt|> i can't file a bug against aterm because it is in universe :(
[04:57] <|trey|> Matt|, transparency? Xorg?
[04:58] <Mithrandir> ogra: you ignore IRC when you're trying to get useful work done.
[04:58] <Matt|> ogra, yeah my favourite thing about ubuntu is that the developers are always in here
[04:58] <ogra> Mithrandir: hard to do ;)
[04:58] <Matt|> |trey|, i am using all default packages (i.e. xfree 3.3.0)
[04:58] <Mithrandir> Matt|: uhm, 4.3, I hope?
[04:58] <PW_> hi
[04:58] <Mithrandir> 3.3 is like _ancient_
[04:58] <Matt|> sorry 4.3 yeah
[04:58] <ajross_> does anyone here do audio cd burning?
[04:58] <Mithrandir> ogra: you get the hang of it after a while
[04:58] <Matt|> no one uses aterm?
[04:59] <|trey|> Matt|, you mean 4.3.0 ... hmm, I don't understand what you mean by "loses transparency" then... Xfree doesn't support that...
[04:59] <Matt|> Mithrandir, i don't have that ability either :(
[04:59] <ogra> Mithrandir: i'll wait for it *g*
[04:59] <|trey|> Matt|, Xchat or gnome-terminal?
[04:59] <Matt|> |trey|, ATERM
[04:59] <Matt|> no problem with the transparency in xchat
[04:59] <|trey|> Matt|, ahh, don't play with that...
[04:59] <stvn> Matt|: if you type reset in aterm, does it get the transp. back?
[05:00] <Matt|> stvn, nope
[05:00] <Matt|> stvn, it happens if I drag the window fast as well, without resizing it
[05:00] <stvn> Matt|: if you move one with transp, does it keep transp.?
[05:00] <stvn> ah
[05:00] <amathis> wtf..
[05:00] <Matt|> stvn, it is refreshing REALLY slowly
[05:00] <stvn> indeed
[05:01] <Matt|> so if i drag it fast it loses it
[05:01] <Matt|> or resize even a little bit
[05:01] <|trey|> Matt|, what ver is aterm currently?
[05:01] <Matt|> erm
[05:01] <|trey|> (dpkg -l aterm)
[05:01] <Matt|> 0.4.2-10
[05:02] <Matt|> it was working before I upgraded the system (i.e. with the warty cd packages)
[05:02] <Matt|> :(
[05:02] <amathis>  this thing I am configureing says it cannot find gconf-2.0, but it is installed...
[05:03] <ogra> amathis: you miss the -dev packages
[05:03] <amathis> oof.
[05:03] <Matt|> stvn, |trey|, any ideas?
[05:03] <amathis> ogra, what would I do without you >_<
[05:03] <Matt|> lol
[05:03] <|trey|> Matt|, nope, not seeing anyone else complain about it on google either  :(
[05:03] <Matt|> |trey|, damn
[05:03] <|trey|> Matt|, maybe dpkg-reconfigure aterm just for fun?
[05:03] <stvn> Matt|: can you downgrade the aterm package to the one from the cd?
[05:04] <Matt|> stvn, how could I do that?
[05:04] <Matt|> stvn, in synaptic there is only one version listed
[05:04] <Matt|> |trey|, ok will try it
[05:04] <|trey|> Matt|, dpkg --force-overwrite
[05:04] <Matt|> can someone who is using warty please install aterm and see if it works?
[05:04] <|trey|> Matt|, thats how to do what stvn said...
[05:04] <Matt|> |trey|, but where do i find the package?
[05:04] <|trey|> Matt|, running hoary huh?  :)
[05:05] <Matt|> |trey|, warty
[05:05] <Matt|> i want to see if the problem is only mine or not
[05:05] <ogra> Matt|: hard to do if noone uses aterm :)
[05:05] <epod> Does anyone know how Ubuntu works with ATI drivers?
[05:06] <|trey|> Matt|, you might be able to try the one is sarge actually... ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/a/aterm-someshit should be...
[05:06] <Matt|> no one uses aterm?
[05:06] <ogra> epod: fine
[05:06] <Adric> hi, I'm running the newest Live Ubuntu CD, I was wondering if there is a way to play MP3s with it?
[05:06] <Matt|> epod, what card
[05:06] <Matt|> epod, not all are working great
[05:06] <stvn> Matt|: gnome-terminal is just fine for me
[05:06] <|trey|> Matt|, nope, not a huge fan of anything resembling motif  :(
[05:06] <Matt|> stvn, i find aterm quicker
[05:06] <ogra> epod: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:06] <Matt|> stvn, does gnome-terminal do transparency?
[05:06] <arun--> Matt|: it does
[05:07] <Matt|> arun--, ty
[05:07] <|trey|> Matt|, pseudo transparency, yes
[05:07] <garabb> Matt: you find the old package in /var/cache/apt/archives
[05:07] <epod> Matt|: Modile Radeon 9600
[05:07] <epod> thanks ogra
[05:07] <Adric> hello
[05:08] <|trey|> Adric, hey
[05:08] <Matt|> garabb, the package in that directory has the same version number
[05:08] <stvn> Matt|: how do you get transparency in aterm anyway?
[05:08] <Adric> i was wondering if someone could help me figure out if the Live CD can play MP3s
[05:08] <Matt|> garabb, I presume that aterm has not actually been updated, and it is caused by an update to some other package
[05:08] <kasperbn> Does anybody know how I get xserver to show a resolution 1024x786.
[05:08] <kasperbn> In the /etc/X11/XFblabla various resolutions are listet, including 1024x786 - but it does'nt work. It's not listed in gnomes resolutionchooser. Any suggestions?
[05:08] <Matt|> stvn, -tr
[05:08] <Adric> I've read that I need to install a universe section or something, but can you do that on a liveCD?
[05:08] <|trey|> Matt|, like I said, try sarges version... should at least be more stable...
[05:08] <stvn> Adric: check wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:08] <Matt|> |trey|, i'll have a look thanks
[05:08] <arun--> i dont like the fonts used in aterm by default
[05:09] <ogra> kasperbn: your monitor settings my not be correct....
[05:09] <Adric> yeah i read that, but the instructions don't work for the liveCD, maybe i should just get the full cd and install yeah?
[05:09] <Matt|> arun--, stvn, so you have it working?
[05:09] <kasperbn> ogra: Ok, how do I change them?
[05:09] <stvn> Matt|: hm, it is slow, gnome-terminal is faster, resize does blank, move is no problem
[05:09] <Matt|> stvn, thanks
[05:09] <ogra> kasperbn: easiest is to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:10] <arun--> Matt|: i dont use aterm atall, and yes i have transparency working in gnome-termnal
[05:10] <|trey|> Matt|, file a bug if its in warty main :)
[05:10] <Matt|> |trey|, it is not
[05:10] <|trey|> hmm  :(
[05:10] <ogra> kasperbn: keep all defaults except the monitor...
[05:10] <kasperbn> ogra, thanks I'll try that
[05:10] <Matt|> it is in universe: but the bug must be caused by an update to another package
[05:10] <Adric> stvn: I read that url about restricted formats, but either I don't understand enough to make the necessary steps, or they aren't included in the LiveCD.
[05:10] <stvn> Matt|: http://home.minst.net/~steven/Screenshot.png is my ubuntu setup with semi- transp. gnome-terminal
[05:10] <Matt|> stvn, ok will use that
[05:11] <altan> is there a way to have transparency that's actually useful, as in having a manual in the background and being able to see through the term to read it rather than just showing the desktop behind it all?
[05:11] <stvn> Adric: ah, liveCD, sorry wasn't paying enough attention, I doubt it is possible in the livecd
[05:11] <Adric> can I ask, what exactly is universe?
[05:11] <Matt|> stvn, i like your network icons :)
[05:11] <stvn> Matt|: suede
[05:11] <Adric> stvn coolas :) appreciate!  i thought it was like that, i'll just download the full CD at work and install :), what is universe anyway?
[05:11] <Kamion> universe == unsupported though free packages; basically the rest of Debian built against Ubuntu
[05:11] <stvn> Adric: it is a package repository, you can select packages there to install on your system
[05:12] <ogra> altan: will be in hoary in april ;)
[05:12] <Matt|> stvn, how do you add those ftp icons?
[05:12] <altan> hmm
[05:12] <stvn> Kamion: not entierly the rest, discovered today that neither rox-filer nor gmc are there ;)
[05:12] <amathis> am I the only one who thinks totem is a piece of sh*t?
[05:12] <Adric> great :) thank you kind people, are you guys the developers directly?  or do you just support?  I really like this distro, it's so clean!
[05:12] <stvn> Matt|: open location and type in ftp:// I think
[05:13] <Mithrandir> Adric: some people in here are developers, some aren't.
[05:13] <|trey|> stvn, tip for ya... *resize images* ... or atleast lower quality!!  ;)
[05:13] <Matt|> Kamion, yeah i saw that universe is unsupported. But what happens in a case where a bug is caused in a universe package by a conflict with a main package?
[05:13] <stvn> |trey|: i know
[05:13] <Mithrandir> Adric: Kamion for instance is, so am I, and a bunch more
[05:13] <stvn> Matt|: ah it's conenct to server in the nautilus menu
[05:13] <ogra> Matt|: use connect to server in nautilus
[05:13] <ogra> lol
[05:13] <Adric> thanks for the help! i look forward to installing :) right now i have to sleep lol :) only five hours til get up time :) bye!!
[05:14] <Matt|> stvn, ogra, but for the shortcut?
[05:14] <atariboy> Who deals with the UI side of Ubuntu?
[05:14] <Matt|> i've never got the hang of nautilus desktop shortcuts :(
[05:14] <stvn> Matt|: I think it sticks
[05:14] <ogra> Matt|: it appears on the desktop
[05:14] <Matt|> ah gotcha thanks
[05:14] <ogra> Matt|: btw works great with ssh too
[05:15] <Matt|> ogra, oh really
[05:15] <Matt|> ogra, fantastic
[05:15] <|trey|> stvn, when did rox-filer get into sid?
[05:15] <stvn> hey there's webdav support now
[05:15] <ogra> Matt|: gerat for webserver uploads ;)
[05:15] <Matt|> stvn, i can't see how to get the gnome-terminal transparent from the man page?
[05:15] <Matt|> ogra, exactly
[05:16] <arun--> Matt|: go to edit->current profile
[05:16] <arun--> Matt|: then the colors tab
[05:16] <stvn> Matt|: it's in edit profile
[05:16] <arun--> sorry effects tab
[05:16] <ogra> Matt|: effects
[05:16] <|trey|> atariboy, many people, Jeff Waugh is the head guy though...
[05:16] <SmokingFire> anyone tried vmware on ubuntu?
[05:16] <atariboy> |trey|: oki. thanks
[05:17] <stvn> |trey|: don't know really, probably after the warty freeze
[05:17] <Matt|> arun--, stvn, great guys thanks a lot
[05:17] <Matt|> does anyone know if it is possible to copy music from an ipod to hard disk?
[05:17] <|trey|> atariboy, you could have known that from the site though: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/teams/
[05:18] <altan> Matt|, probably, I saw an icon for the iPod in the GNOME icon chooser
[05:18] <|trey|> stvn, pretty likely, I was looking for it last time I used XFce, so yeah... I am running Hoary though, and its not in yet  :(
[05:18] <Matt|> altan, oh really? is it in /usr/share/pixmaps??
[05:18] <arun--> where do set that when i move the window, only the borders move, instead of the content
[05:20] <jivera> Does Ubuntu have any CD labels or case artwork people can use for use when making CDs?
[05:20] <altan> Matt|, I don't remember where, but it just made me assume than an iPod would work with Ubuntu pretty easily
[05:20] <jivera> (Pretend that wasn't stupidly redundant.)
[05:21] <SmokingFire> Matt|: engadget sites featured such a tool but for mac intunes + ipod but then apple didn't like it and threatened to sue (drm issues)
[05:21] <Matt|> SmokingFire, hmm
[05:22] <Matt|> SmokingFire, it is not possible from gtkpod?
[05:22] <SmokingFire> don't know not an ipod owner
[05:22] <Matt|> SmokingFire, oh i've found it
[05:22] <Matt|> SmokingFire, seems it is possible
[05:22] <Matt|> altan, haven't found the icon though :(((
[05:22] <SmokingFire> found it on gtkpod?
[05:22] <Matt|> yes
[05:22] <Matt|> haven't tested yet
[05:23] <SmokingFire> cool, means you have more features then apple users
[05:23] <Matt|> lol
[05:23] <Matt|> and windows users
[05:23] <Matt|> it is not possible on windows
[05:23] <scaroo> hi ppl, got some trouble loading the clock applet since hoary upgrade, seems like a gconf inconsistency, any way i can repair that ?
[05:24] <|trey|> scaroo, dpkg-reconfigure gnome-applets perhaps?
[05:25] <SmokingFire> Matt|: btw here is the article: http://portableaudio.engadget.com/entry/7289743430796164/
[05:25] <|trey|> scaroo, here, its working... so its not the packages fault...
[05:26] <scaroo> |trey|, good idea indeed but doesnt seems to fix the issue :(
[05:26] <|trey|> (enless you're not on i386, then it could be)
[05:26] <Matt|> SmokingFire, ok thanks. have found the icons too so I'm loving it
[05:26] <|trey|> scaroo, when was last upgrade? you reboot since installing hoary?
[05:27] <stvn> this webdav support is so cool :)
[05:27] <scaroo> last dist-upgrade was 15 mn ago, and i rebooted afterward
[05:27] <epod> Is there anything I ought to know about compiling a new kernel under ubuntu to support my soundcard?  I am assuming it won't work out of box, since it doesn't on the LiveCD.  The only distro that it's ever *just worked* with is SUSE, actually.  Stupid gateway and cheap sound chipsets
[05:27] <|trey|> scaroo, hmm, shouldn't be much diff then here then  :(
[05:27] <|trey|> scaroo, i386 right?
[05:28] <scaroo> |trey|, arggg it doesn t semm to be "clock" specific, i cannot add any applet :(
[05:28] <scaroo> i386 yep
[05:28] <|trey|> scaroo, my panel appears to be fine  :(  grr
[05:29] <scaroo> here is the french error log : Le tableau de bord a rencontr un problme lors du chargement de OAFIID:GNOME_ContactLookupApplet.
[05:29] <scaroo> Dtails: La rsolution ou l'extension de !prefs_key=/apps/panel/profiles/default/applets/applet_4/prefs;background=none:;orient=down;size=x-small;locked_down=false a chou
[05:29] <scaroo> Voulez-vous supprimer l'applet de votre configuration?
[05:29] <|trey|> scaroo, errors are much easier to comprehend when in English  ;)
[05:29] <ben__> i need help!!
[05:30] <|trey|> ben__, you came to the right place then  :)
[05:30] <ben__> i had a problem with a login script
[05:30] <scaroo> |trey|, sorry for being a dump froggy ;)
[05:30] <ben__> and ended up trying to make a new user
[05:30] <ben__> but i wanted it the same as the messed up account
[05:30] <scaroo> ok i change my locale then come back
[05:30] <|trey|> scaroo, its cool... hoary will have bugs... I just don't see the same thing  :(
[05:30] <ben__> so i deleted the main account
[05:30] <ben__> (apparently the only on on the sudoers list?)
[05:31] <|trey|> ben__, yup
[05:31] <ben__> yep
[05:31] <SmokingFire> Matt|: seems you can also do it on windows: http://portableaudio.engadget.com/entry/7289743430796164/#c29070
[05:31] <|trey|> ben__, man sodoers
[05:31] <|trey|> ben__, or just vi /etc/sodoers and change the name of the user in there  :)
[05:31] <ben__> can i add someone to the list if the main account is gone?
[05:31] <|trey|> hmm, actually... shit... that user is gone
[05:31] <|trey|> uhhhh  :o
[05:31] <ben__> is there a root passwd?
[05:31] <|trey|> ben__, nope
[05:32] <Matt|> SmokingFire, oh right ty
[05:32] <ben__> i think i assigned my backup account to root and sudo prvilidges from the users-admin screen
[05:32] <ben__> but i guess not
[05:32] <|trey|> ben__, woulda been better to rm -r * in the home dir...
[05:32] <ben__> yeah...i realize that now
[05:33] <|trey|> ben__, you try sudo since?
[05:33] <ben__> yeah
[05:33] <ben__> and it does not take my passwd
[05:33] <|trey|> ben__, doesn't take new users passwd?
[05:33] <|trey|> yeah, umm, have the install disk handy?
[05:34] <ben__> thankfully i just set up rsync two weeks ago
[05:34] <ben__> i do not...what can i do with it?
[05:34] <Matt|> how can i use sudo in nautilus?
[05:34] <|trey|> Matt|, no 'run as' option?
[05:34] <Matt|> |trey|, i don't know, what is that?
[05:34] <|trey|> Matt|, umm, would appear to be impossible  :(
[05:35] <Matt|> |trey|, damn
[05:35] <ben__> |trey|, is there a recovery option with the install cd?
[05:35] <|trey|> Matt|, you might be able to open with sudo thexec?
[05:35] <stuNNed> ok i'm installing Ubuntu on my laptop and have to os's on it, one linux, one windowsxp, i want to delete the linux and put ubuntu in it's place but i don't see how i can do that in the installer, it only seems to want to erase the whole disk
[05:36] <|trey|> ben__, yes actually...
[05:36] <Kamion> ben__: just boot with the recovery option from the grub menu
[05:36] <ben__> ok
[05:36] <Matt|> |trey|, erm i don't know how that works
[05:36] <ben__> and can i recover the files without the root account set up?
[05:36] <Kamion> ben__: just boot with the recovery option; that will give you a root shell
[05:36] <ben__> cool
[05:36] <ben__> thanks everyone
[05:37] <ben__> i will take care of that after school/work
[05:37] <Matt|> |trey|, i would not normally use root with nautilus, but having added the ssh server on the desktop, i would like to be able to get root on the remote computer to copy across files to the webserver
[05:37] <|trey|> Matt|, nope.. can't be done like I said  :(
[05:37] <Matt|> |trey|, guess i will have to do it in a console
[05:37] <Matt|> |trey|, no biggie
[05:37] <|trey|> Matt|, :)
[05:37] <|trey|> Matt|, could use Vino as it was intended though?
[05:38] <|trey|> just log in as root and do what you want gonna do remotely like that  :)
[05:38] <|trey|> maybe not the most secure thing though?
[05:38] <Matt|> |trey|, i am not familiar with Vino
[05:39] <|trey|> Matt|, neither am I, need to find a reason to use it at some point  :)
[05:39] <Matt|> |trey|, not too bothered about security: it is all behind a router
[05:39] <Matt|> |trey|, what is it?
[05:39] <|trey|> Matt|, remote desktop... a vnc client...
[05:39] <Matt|> |trey|, hmm
[05:39] <Matt|> ssh probably better?
[05:39] <|trey|> also, tsclient should be usable if there are windows stations...
[05:40] <Matt|> windows stations?
[05:40] <Matt|> :(
[05:40] <Matt|> who do you take me for
[05:40] <|trey|> Matt|, dunno, you wanted to use GUI though right?
[05:40] <Matt|> |trey|, nope
[05:40] <rachet> how do i  run a root ? cause when i try to use alien edonkey.rpm its  says that  i need  a root or  a fake root
[05:40] <|trey|> Matt|, haha.. just saying  :)
[05:40] <|trey|> Matt|, oh... well then.. just, just... be stubborn and use SSH then  8)
[05:40] <Matt|> why has no one replied to my aterm question on the ubuntu-users list?
[05:41] <Matt|> lol
[05:41] <|trey|> rachet, sudo -s
[05:41] <desp> is there a way to access the network having booted from the Ubuntu installer initrd?
[05:42] <stvn> rachet: or just sudo alien
[05:42] <|trey|> desp, it will ask later whether to install from the network...
[05:42] <|trey|> desp, its like one of the last questions though, likely not what you want?
[05:43] <desp> |trey|: I don't see any questions about installing from the network
[05:43] <desp> and anyway, I just need to transfer a file
[05:43] <fabbione> dpkg-deb: building package `xlibs-pic' in `../xlibs-pic_6.8.1-0.0_all.deb'.
[05:44] <|trey|> desp, it will still get base from the CD... its how I install Ubuntu every time though...
[05:44] <|trey|> desp, ugh, yeah, I don't think thats possible from the installer  :(
[05:44] <stuNNed> i have one disk in my laptop with two os's on it, want to keep one of the os's and install ubuntu on the other, is there a way to do this?  it seems ubuntu just wants to wipe the whole disk and install itself
[05:44] <desp> it would be perfectly possible -- alt-F2 to the console, and use netcat
[05:45] <|trey|> fabbione, hmmz  8-)
[05:45] <desp> but the network seems to be kind of inaccessible
[05:45] <|trey|> fabbione, don't forget to let me know what those uploads are done so I can break my system k?  :)
[05:45] <fabbione> |trey|: sure i will
[05:46] <|trey|> fabbione, :)
[05:46] <|trey|> fabbione, /msg though, will be gone soon  :(
[05:46] <fabbione> |trey|: nothing for the next week.. these are really prealpha packages
[05:46] <fabbione> they just build...
[05:47] <rachet> stvn: i did that now   but its a .deb now ? what i do now
[05:47] <|trey|> Oh, ps, is it bad if, while not touching a mouse pad, my pointer kinda slides down and to my right?
[05:47] <|trey|> fabbione, ahh, ok  :)
[05:47] <stvn> rachet: sudo dpkg -i <just created deb file>
[05:48] <|trey|> fabbione, would it be worst filing bugs related to Xfree at this point in Hoary?
[05:48] <stvn> alleen via webmail en dat zuigt, helemaal zonder IE
[05:48] <stvn> w/w
[05:48] <rachet> stvn : dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege
[05:48] <stvn> rachet: sudo dkpg -i
[05:48] <stvn> rachet: don't forget the sudo
[05:49] <|trey|> stvn, never ever speak in German in here again while I am present and active... it hurts my brain  ;)
[05:49] <|trey|> rachet, he really means 'sudo dpkg -i' though, he just doesn't know it  ;)
[05:49] <dredg> doesnt look like german to me
[05:49] <housetier> luckily there is a difference between Dutch and German
[05:49] <stvn> |trey|: first learn to recognise languages before making those claims, it was dutch
[05:50] <|trey|> stvn, blah, dutch and german are so simular its not even funny... been to Amsterdam...
[05:50] <tkz> "you dutch-hater" :)
[05:50] <stvn> tkz: heh
[05:50] <stvn> |trey|: they only speak english there
[05:50] <Kamion> looked quite dissimilar to German to me
[05:50] <|trey|> stvn, not really... depends, most have a firm grasp of English though, yes
[05:51] <stuNNed> my partitions don't show up in the installer
[05:51] <stvn> Kamion: it is quite dissimilar, germans have a very hard time understanding dutch
[05:51] <|trey|> stvn, are you in holland?
[05:52] <tkz> I wouldn't think that the Germans are alone with that particular problem
[05:52] <scaroo> |trey|, about my prblem with applets, the same thing happens (the clock dont show and i got a OAFIID message box) with a freshnew user ... has the gconf schema of this applet changer recently ?
[05:52] <stvn> |trey|: yep
[05:52] <scaroo> s/changer/changed/
[05:52] <|trey|> stvn, cool, what part?  :)
[05:52] <altan> Once I dpkg libdvdcss, how can I load it without rebooting?
[05:52] <altan> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1388&highlight=libdvdcss <--- "- reboot (there must be a better way to get the library loaded, but reboot orks!)"
[05:52] <stvn> |trey|: the center - Wageningen
[05:53] <|trey|> stvn, ahh, it doesn't have a good soccer team, so I don't know it  :(
[05:53] <occy> I can play a mov file under totem... but can't seem to get audio.  I just get:  An error occured: (null)
[05:53] <occy> other audio works just peachy
[05:53] <stvn> |trey|: it used to, but they bankrupted 10 years ago
[05:53] <|trey|> stvn, :(
[05:53] <altan> is it really necessary to reboot?
[05:55] <jind> altan, maybe you kan send kill -SIGHUP to the program that startet libdvdcss to make it reload its configuration files and maybe the lib
[05:56] <altan> okay, rebooting sounds easier than that.
[05:56] <desp> haha
[05:57] <jind> It is actually really easy :P
[05:57] <jind> Just type in: kill -SIGHUP program-that-uses-libdvdcss :)
[05:58] <desp> too late
[05:59] <jind> Hehe
[05:59] <jind> Yeah :)
[06:00] <occy> what do you guys use to view .mov files with under ubuntu?
[06:01] <rcaskey_> cat mostly
[06:01] <scaroo> occy, do you have the xine version of totem ?
[06:01] <occy> hmm
[06:02] <occy> can I apt-get install that?
[06:02] <scaroo> it is in universe as "totem-xine"
[06:02] <occy> totem-xine is already the newest version.
[06:02] <occy> hmmm
[06:02] <occy> apparently
[06:03] <occy> looking for type: got text/plain
[06:03] <occy> wine/module: Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: qtmlClient.dll, /home/october/.gnome2/totem-addons/qtmlClient.dll, /usr/lib/win32/qtmlClient.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/qtmlClient.dll
[06:04] <|trey|> scaroo, http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mplayer/ install one of those... perferably mplayer-686...
[06:04] <|trey|> occy, ^
[06:04] <occy> heh
[06:05] <|trey|> occy, includes most formats you will need...
[06:05] <scaroo> |trey|, do you know if gstreamer-ffmpeg will land some time soon in universe ?
[06:05] <|trey|> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mplayerplug-in/
[06:05] <|trey|> also might find that interesting  :)
[06:06] <scaroo> i second, that plugin rocks !
[06:06] <|trey|> scaroo, its already in... as is ffmpeg... still no luck though (http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/f/ffmpeg/)
[06:07] <|trey|> scaroo, atleast with gstreamer... ffmpeg can be used with mplayer too though...
[06:07] <gerard> I cant seem to get the gnome mixing applet to work. Alsamixer works, and the mixer in the multimedia entry in the menu works even for both OSS and alsa. The mixing applet just resets the volume slider back to zero if you use it...
[06:08] <|trey|> Any devs: out of curiosity, why does mplayer depend xmms?
[06:08] <|trey|> makes sense with xmms-xmmplayer, but mplayer itself?
[06:08] <kensai> can xine be installed in ubuntu?
[06:08] <kensai> and does it worksfine?
[06:09] <|trey|> kensai, yes, mplayer is better though
[06:09] <kensai> And what about kaffeine?
[06:09] <joh_> Whats happending with ubuntu-calendar-november?
[06:09] <|trey|> kensai, thats qt ... and its xine...
[06:09] <|trey|> joh, give it a little bit more time  ;)
[06:10] <cenerentola> hi there
[06:10] <kensai> yeah I see sorry
[06:10] <cenerentola> im trying to install an hp 710C with the wizard
[06:10] <joh_> |trey|: ok :)
[06:10] <SmokingFire> win4lin is based on wine or simular?
[06:10] <joh_> the first thing I did today was to check for the new wallpaper :)
[06:11] <cenerentola> but it doesnt recognize it
[06:11] <kensai> I just want to have a plugin in my firefox to play  videos and trailers
[06:11] <|trey|> SmokingFire, actually yes... although it does emulate hardware... kinda doesn't make much sense to me how that works, but yeah, they are active with wine...
[06:11] <tkz> I have a sound problem with mplayer. If I start gmplayer and play a file, the sound works. If I clikc a video clip and the gmplayer starts automatically, the sound does not work
[06:11] <cenerentola> ...so what port should i use since theyre all usb's?
[06:11] <scaroo> kensei, install mplayer and mplayerplugin
[06:11] <scaroo> from the links |trey| posted above
[06:11] <|trey|> scaroo, can't just say that, they are not in warty...
[06:12] <|trey|> scaroo, much better... ;)
[06:12] <kensai> mplayerplugin from apt?
[06:12] <cenerentola> hey plz help...
[06:12] <stuNNed> anyone else have problems with the ubuntu installer not detecting their partitions?
[06:12] <kensai> I installed mplayer with the wiki instructions from ubuntu
[06:12] <|trey|> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mplayer/  AND  http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mplayerplug-in/
[06:13] <topyli> joh_: i haven't seen the november calendar yet
[06:13] <scaroo> |trey|, ehhe i m only beginning being a helping hand so let me some time to be top notch ;)
[06:13] <|trey|> scaroo, I'm hardly top notch, and I've been at it for 3 years  ;)
[06:14] <joh_> m niether :)
[06:16] <|trey|> uhh, Gaim I mean  :o
[06:17] <Kamion> joh_: it's in warty-updates
[06:17] <cenerentola> kamion: plz one sec...
[06:17] <cenerentola> i can make my hp 710c working with your wizard
[06:17] <Kamion> huh? wizard? what?
[06:17] <cenerentola> printer one...
[06:18] <cenerentola> so how can i set up, in any way, an hp 710c
[06:18] <brad> Could someone please inform me how to enable the root account?
[06:18] <Kamion> I'm sorry, can't help, maybe somebody else can, if not then try the mailing list.
[06:19] <|trey|> cenerentola, ahh, HP devices use IPP, should just work via CUPS afaik...
[06:19] <Kamion> brad: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[06:19] <brad> thank you
[06:19] <dredg> brad: sudo passwd root
[06:20] <joh_> Kamion: warty-updates? I havent heard of that
[06:20] <|trey|> ugh @ people that don't stick around until problems are solved  :(
[06:20] <scaroo> brad, you know you an have a root's shell, do you ? or that you can sudo so what is the point enabling root user loggin ?
[06:20] <topyli> Kamion: so it is! but not in hoary-updates. i wonder.
[06:21] <scaroo> ugh @ people going without answering :p
[06:21] <|trey|> joh, warty is frozen, its where upgrades that aren't security related can get uploaded still...
[06:21] <Kamion> topyli: hoary-updates should be empty until hoary is released.
[06:22] <|trey|> scaroo, haha... don't pick up on that habbit, its annoying to me, so it must be annoying to others  ;)
[06:22] <joh_> |trey|: ahh, thanks
[06:22] <topyli> Kamion: well, that explains it. i guess i should add warty-updates to sources.list :)
[06:23] <topyli> ahh.. there is no hoary-updates at all :)
[06:23] <altan> what's the command to take a screenshot?
[06:23] <|trey|> Kamion, hmm, is there a list of policies for warty-updates though? or is it simple as just bug fixes found after release?
[06:24] <|trey|> if so, perhaps Ubuntu should think about making snapshots of that available in ISO form too?
[06:24] <Kamion> major bugs that don't qualify as security
[06:24] <Kamion> we're not planning on updating the CD images
[06:24] <|trey|> Maybe bi-monthly just so people think "hey, I can start from a more current point if I use this distro"...
[06:25] <|trey|> Kamion, ahh, k... just a thought :)
[06:25] <stuNNed> Kamion, any idea why ubuntu installer isn't detecting my partitions?
[06:26] <jind> Kamion, I'm just curious but are you one of the developers?
[06:26] <Kamion> stuNNed: don't know, filing a bug is probably better than trying to debug it on IRC
[06:26] <Kamion> jind: yes
[06:26] <jind> Kewl :)
[06:26] <stuNNed> Kamion, ok thanks
[06:27] <Kamion> stuNNed: look at what parted says
[06:28] <stuNNed> Kamion, maybe install in expert mode?
[06:31] <scaroo> stuNNed, does the installer kernel detects your drive ? (use dmesg to check)
[06:31] <stuNNed> scaroo, it detects it but just wants to wipe it clean
[06:32] <Kamion> stuNNed: expert mode is unlikely to make a difference and more likely to just confuse you
[06:33] <stuNNed> Kamion, ok then, no expert mode for me! :)
[06:34] <dvd> f
[06:34] <Kamion> stuNNed: I'd switch to tty2 and poke about with parted
[06:35] <stuNNed> Kamion, got it, thanks, was wondering how was going to access parted
[06:35] <dvd> hi! i installed  a a windows program with wine. but now where is it ?
[06:35] <|trey|> Kamion, afaik, expert just added one question, whether to install a server or desktop at the beginning?
[06:36] <Kamion> |trey|: no
[06:36] <scaroo> dvd, it has been installed according your windows path set in wine.conf
[06:36] <|trey|> Kamion, ahh, thats all I noticed to be different  :o
[06:36] <Kamion> |trey|: expert lowers the debconf priority to low, which affects a whole slew of things. I wasn't aware that server/desktop was asked under any circumstances, since there's no text for it and nothing to do db_input
[06:37] <dvd> scaroo: i installed msnsniffer, can i open it from a terminal ?
[06:37] <|trey|> Kamion, well, I got that question on one d-i installer... coulda sworn it was warty  :(
[06:38] <stuNNed> Kamion, scaroo: i know what the problem is, i used partition magic a while back and it fscked the partition table, it's still workable but messed up some settings
[06:38] <scaroo> dvd : use wine followed by the patyh to the .exe file. but beforehand, have you checked if there is a free alternative under unix ?
[06:38] <|trey|> Kamion, either way, thanks for the input... will keep it in mind if/when Xorg horribly breaks things  ;)
[06:38] <topyli> ok, no i have the november calendar. i can let time move again :)
[06:38] <dvd> scaroo:no
[06:39] <Kamion> |trey|: hard to believe, but feel free to send me a screenshot and I'll hunt it down :)
[06:39] <stuNNed> Kamion, scaroo: so basically i guess need to backup data and erase the whole disk
[06:39] <dvd> scaroo: i didnt under how to open msn sniffer
[06:39] <stuNNed> Kamion, parted says: "Error: CAn't have a partition outside of the disk!"
[06:39] <Kamion> |trey|: d-i expert mode is unlikely to help with X.org anyway
[06:39] <|trey|> Kamion, point taken... I swear I saw it though, and don't think it would have been Debian itself due to the non-specificness of the package selection...
[06:39] <|trey|> Kamion, I know, I just like being in more control  :)
[06:40] <|trey|> Kamion, its usually the first thing I do anyway after installing  :)
[06:40] <scaroo> dvd, i vent got a wine installed here so i cannot give you the default winpath defined
[06:40] <scaroo> ask arround ...
[06:40] <scaroo> s/vent/havent/
[06:41] <|trey|> Wine's path is usually /usr/share/winec iir
[06:42] <altan> Is it possible to use GTK1.2 apps without installing GTK1.2 as its dependency, as in will it automatically use GTK2?
[06:42] <scaroo> altan, no
[06:42] <dredg> no
[06:42] <altan> aww
[06:42] <|trey|> scaroo, ahh, he wanted a sniffer? if he comes back, direct him @ sniffit or ettercap  :)
[06:42] <|trey|> altan, no, not possible...
[06:44] <|trey|> scaroo, first make sure he needs it though... poke around about his situation etc... those tools can be bad in the wrong hands...
[06:44] <|trey|> If he doesn't personally have access to many boxes, don't say anything  ;)
[06:44] <scaroo> |trey|, i think what he wanted was a msn sniffer, whatever it is, so i dont think ethercap will be needed :)
[06:45] <|trey|> yeah, umm, due to it being for MSN, he is prolly not planning to do good things...
[06:47] <WW> plovs: Are you around?
[06:48] <WW> plovs_work: ?
[06:53] <plovs> WW, hi!
[06:54] <WW> plovs: Hi!  I just wanted to say that your draft of the wiki front page (APFrontPage) looks great.
[06:55] <scaroo> Kamion, an obviously overasked question : when is planned the inclusion of xorg into Hoary ?
[06:56] <plovs> ww, thanks, it needs some more work but it's getting there i think
[06:56] <Kamion> scaroo: I'm not involved in X, so I don't know
[06:56] <WW> plovs: I hope people resist the urge to add a lot more there.  I think it has the right amount as it is.
[06:57] <WW> plovs: Is it OK if I make a few typographical changes to it?
[06:57] <Kamion> scaroo: as far as I know, the answer is "as soon as possible"
[06:58] <plovs> WW, sure, go ahead
[06:58] <sven-eric> Hi! Does anybody know how to add the rar-archiver to ubuntu? Somehow I can't find it in universe...
[06:58] <scaroo> that s the answer i wanted to hear :)
[06:59] <plovs> WW, and yeah, i like short lists
[06:59] <ogra> svenl: its in multiverse
[06:59] <ogra> sven-eric: .
[07:00] <rebirth> bbs
[07:01] <tolstoy> folks, I dist-upgraded hoary, first time since Friday.  Now my keyboard doesn't work.  Is there something I can try before just nuking the whole thing?
[07:01] <tolstoy> I can ssh in just fine.
[07:02] <scaroo> tolstoy, the keyboard in both console and X ?
[07:02] <ogra> tolstoy: you know hoary is unstable ?
[07:02] <tolstoy> scaroo, yes.
[07:02] <ogra> tolstoy: you know hoary will probably break hard =
[07:02] <ogra> tolstoy: ?
[07:03] <tolstoy> ogra, yeap. So I'm not bitching, just an opportunity to learn, maybe post a bug, etc.
[07:03] <ogra> k
[07:03] <WW> hoary: The S&M distro
[07:03] <sven-eric> Thanks, ogra. Found it :)
[07:03] <ogra> we have too much peolpe not aware of this upgrading....
[07:03] <scaroo> tolstoy, is your kb usb or ps2 ?
[07:03] <ogra> ....crying
[07:03] <tolstoy> ps2
[07:04] <tolstoy> ogra, i think people (well, me) are thinking the difference is like stable/unstable debian, rather than, say, fedora/rawhide.
[07:05] <ogra> tolstoy: yep, but debian stable/unstable during the libc transition ;)
[07:05] <tolstoy> is there a way to "downgrade" via apt-get from hoary to warty?
[07:05] <ogra> tolstoy: jdub said the right answer here is reinstall it
[07:06] <tolstoy> alas, I suspected as much.
[07:06] <ogra> mvo_: ?
[07:06] <tolstoy> btw, so i powered down at one point, then the keyboard worked, but the mouse was VERY slow, even at maximum setting.
[07:06] <tolstoy> weird.
[07:07] <dredg> man apt_preferences
[07:07] <dredg> you can downgrade
[07:07] <dredg> i wouldnt
[07:07] <tritium> ogra, what's the equivalanet package to libc that's the source of problems transitioning between warty and hoary?
[07:07] <tritium> equivalent, that is
[07:08] <tolstoy> dredg, well, it would be an interesting experiment before I nuke the machine.
[07:08] <ogra> tritium: x.org probably...dunno what else will change in this size, but i'd suspect more....
[07:08] <tolstoy> then again, I have work to do. ;)
[07:08] <tritium> ogra, Oh, okay...
[07:09] <daniels> xorg should be an absolutely flawless transition
[07:09] <ogra> daniels: should....you never know ;)
[07:09] <tolstoy> well, I should never have named my machine, "frelled".  Tempting fate.
[07:12] <tritium> What's the status on Mad Phat Splash?
[07:12] <SmokingFire> Is it possible to convert flac and wave (from the command line or any gui) to ogg or mp3?
[07:12] <Treenaks> SmokingFire: yes, yes, yes
[07:12] <SmokingFire> ok, just needed to know
[07:12] <Treenaks> don't know how exactly though :)
[07:12] <tritium> perhaps sox?
[07:13] <WW> SmokingFire: sox, but i don't know if sox can convert _to_ mp3.
[07:14] <dredg> oggenc
[07:14] <SmokingFire> WW: ok, well mp3 support is not that imporant to me now, its just that can't figure out the best way (setting for my listening pleasure :)) for ogg, so I was thinking of doing flac or wave for now and figure out later what ogg setting is best for me
[07:14] <Treenaks> gst-launch-0.8 ?
[07:15] <dredg> i like oggenc -r6
[07:15] <Svendabassist> hello?
[07:15] <Treenaks> dredg: why -r not -q?
[07:15] <tritium> I like an average bit rate of 128 kb/s
[07:16] <Treenaks> tritium: -q5
[07:16] <dredg> sorry, -q
[07:16] <dredg> -r is something else entirely
[07:17] <tritium> Treenaks, okay, I think more in terms of bit-error-rate curves than command-line switches ;)
[07:17] <SmokingFire> tritium: I liked it to be 192 (with mp3), new to ogg and linux so I can't say
[07:17] <Treenaks> tritium: gst-launch  filesrc location=music.wav ! wavparse ! vorbisenc ! filesink location=music.ogg
[07:17] <Treenaks> etc.
[07:17] <Treenaks> tritium: it's in the manual
[07:17] <scaroo> SmokingFire,    gst-launch  filesrc location=music.wav ! wavparse ! vorbisenc !
[07:17] <scaroo>        filesink location=music.ogg
[07:17] <scaroo>                gst-launch filesrc location=music.wav ! wavparse ! mpegaudio  !
[07:17] <scaroo>        filesink location=music.mp3
[07:17] <ogra> Svendabassist: hi
[07:17] <Vampis> evening
[07:17] <Svendabassist> hey.
[07:17] <SmokingFire> gst-launch is not in apt, Treenaks
[07:18] <Svendabassist> couple of Qs..
[07:18] <Treenaks> SmokingFire: gst-launch is installed anyway
[07:18] <scaroo> Seveas, of course it is, it comes with gstreamer
[07:18] <SmokingFire> ooh, what is it? gstreamer frontend?
[07:18] <Vampis> Anyone more than me that have problem with the latest gdesklet
[07:18] <Treenaks> SmokingFire: it's called gst-launch-0.8
[07:18] <Vampis> ?
[07:18] <Treenaks> SmokingFire: commandline gstreamer stuff
[07:18] <Svendabassist> umm, If I order a free CD frm the Gnoppix site is it Ubuntu or Gnoppix?
[07:19] <Treenaks> Svendabassist: gnoppix, probably..
[07:19] <Treenaks> Svendabassist: use the ubuntu site to get ubuntu CDs
[07:19] <dredg> Svendabassist: yes
[07:19] <ogra> Svendabassist: i'd guess gnoppox..... they are unrelated afaik
[07:19] <ogra> o/i
[07:20] <MyKq3> how can i stop a service from bootloading ?
[07:20] <Svendabassist> ok.
[07:20] <ogra> MyKq3: remove the symlink in /etc/rc2.d/
[07:20] <Svendabassist> and how would i save it to my flash memory?
[07:20] <MyKq3> ogra,  thanks
[07:21] <ogra> Svendabassist: what, the iso ?
[07:21] <Svendabassist> no..
[07:21] <Svendabassist> the session
[07:21] <scaroo> hey ppl, i notices that the fonts aliasing has really improve since hoary upgrade, is it due to the gtk upgrade (2.4.x => 2.5.x)?
[07:21] <Vampis> is .xcdroast a good burning app?
[07:21] <ogra> Svendabassist: talking about gnoppix ?
[07:21] <Svendabassist> orgra:yes
[07:21] <mvo_> ogra: you pinged me?
[07:22] <ogra> Svendabassist: dunno, ask at a gnoppix help list/channel
[07:22] <Svendabassist> ok
[07:22] <tritium> I think I read recently that gnoppix is now based on ubuntu.
[07:22] <ogra> mvo_: could there be a warning in synptic....like for universe, if one adds the hoary source ?
[07:22] <ogra> +a
[07:23] <mvo_> ogra: sure
[07:23] <mvo_> ogra: do you think we should do that :)
[07:23] <ogra> lots of people think hoary == debian/unstable.....
[07:23] <mdz> ogra: it has approximately the same characteristics
[07:24] <Kamion> tritium: yes, it is
[07:24] <ogra> mvo_: to prevent a lot of reinstalls for people that thik they get the newest and are not aware of the risk....
[07:24] <SmokingFire> whats a good cddb site besides freedb?
[07:24] <Kamion> tritium: in fact one of the recent Gnoppix CD images was exactly what we released as the Warty live CD
[07:25] <bratsche> Hi.
[07:25] <bratsche> Does anyone here -actually- have Evolution filtering spam on Ubuntu?
[07:25] <ogra> mvo_: would be a canonical decision anyway, just a suggestion
[07:25] <bratsche> I installed spamd, and I configured Evolution to turn on spam filtering.  But it clearly isn't doing it.
[07:25] <Vampis> try thunderbird
[07:25] <Vampis> it's got a good spamfilter
[07:26] <tritium> Kamion, nice to see the collaboration
[07:26] <mvo_> ogra: thanks for the suggestion
[07:26] <ogra> mvo_: ;)
[07:27] <Daenzello> does someone here use rhythmbox to play music ? cuz every 4-5 songs the sound stops and i have 2 error : "could not pause playback" and "could not open ressource writting"
[07:27] <mvo_> ogra: a warning that it contains e.g. gnome in a development version might indeed be a good idea
[07:27] <Daenzello> any idea of what it could be linked to ?
[07:28] <scaroo> Daenzello, is it the only app mute ?
[07:28] <ogra> mvo_: yeah, you got me :)
[07:28] <Daenzello> xmms and totem play hours and hours without problems
[07:29] <Daenzello> but it's a little hard to manage ~3500 songs ^^
[07:30] <scaroo> ok, so try using "gstreamer-properties" to setup gstreamer sink
[07:30] <Daenzello> after the two errors i have to restart the app ant it works again
[07:30] <scaroo> switch between alsa and oss and see wich works
[07:31] <Daenzello> gstreamer, i was thinking about this one too
[07:33] <George> yoyo
[07:33] <George> does the ubuntu install CD have support for reading NTFS?
[07:34] <scaroo> George, of course
[07:34] <ogra> George: reading yes....writing, not sure....
[07:34] <Kamion> reading only
[07:35] <scaroo> i m not sure about writing by default
[07:35] <George> thanks
[07:35] <tolstoy> folks, when installing, I get to the partition stuff, and the installer doesn't seem to remember the old mount points.
[07:35] <tolstoy> Is this by design?
[07:35] <tolstoy> Just trash and rebuild?  (Was thinking I could save my old /home.)
[07:36] <ogra> tolstoy: where should it get the mountpoints from ?
[07:36] <ogra> tolstoy: no fstab.....
[07:36] <Kamion> tolstoy: yes; you can set them up yourself
[07:36] <Kamion> tolstoy: (say "keep and use existing data", and set the mountpoint)
[07:36] <ogra> tolstoy: just leave the partition with your /home out and mount it later
[07:37] <tolstoy> ogra: I think i'm starting to get this installer.  It's just a bit confusing with all the menus.
[07:37] <Kamion> tolstoy: you certainly don't have to trash and rebuild
[07:37] <Kamion> ogra: that's harder work than necessary
[07:37] <tolstoy> ogra, I see a "keep and..." yeah, what Kamion said.
[07:37] <ogra> Kamion: k, i wasnt aware of the keep....as i leave /home by default .... to make config cleanups before using it
[07:41] <jdz`> Hello!  My laptop has a PCMCIA ethernet-card, when it boots, ntpdate tries to run before the network-card has been started.  Is there any way I can make the ntpd init script depend on the network first being up?  (so that ntpdate doesn't fail, and my time actually gets set correctly)
[07:43] <tolstoy> Where's the ubuntu hardware compat list?
[07:43] <ogra> jdz`: its a known bug, you could run: sudo ntpdate ntp.ubuntulinux.org afterwards
[07:43] <tolstoy> wondering about an HP DVD rw 630i
[07:44] <jason_> hey
[07:44] <jason_> anybody using hoary?
[07:44] <tolstoy> jason_, I *was*, but it hosed pretty bad.
[07:44] <jason_> yeah same here
[07:45] <jason_> synaptic crashes
[07:45] <ogra> tolstoy: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupport
[07:45] <jason_> totem
[07:45] <jdz`> ogra: Thank you very much!  That'll do for now!
[07:45] <dredg> i dont think ive seen any issues with hoary thus far
[07:45] <tolstoy> jason_, my keyboard and mouse don't work anymore. prob with hotplug maybe? don't know.
[07:45] <dredg> ymmv
[07:45] <jason_> is there anyway I can go back without reformatting?
[07:46] <ogra> jason_: not supported
[07:46] <tolstoy> for all I know, it's the hyperthreading I turned on last friday
[07:47] <tolstoy> ogra, so, is a DVD burner "multimedia"?
[07:48] <mvo_> jason_: fix is ready for testing
[07:49] <ogra> tolstoy: i'd guess disk devices or so, its not very complete now :(
[07:49] <ogra> tolstoy: or burnig device...but there are no categories yet it seems....
[07:49] <tolstoy> yeah.  hm. not sure where to look for compatibility issues.
[07:50] <ogra> tolstoy: this would be the best place if complete.....(you can always add your HW *hint* *hint*)
[07:51] <tkz> Are you ready for a really stupid question? Is it normal that there's this user "nobody" in your system?
[07:52] <Kamion> yes
[07:52] <daniels> tkz: yes
[07:52] <tkz> Thanks
[07:52] <ogra> tkz: its a system user
[07:52] <Kamion> tkz: see /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz
[07:52] <tolstoy> ogra, i'd be happy to, but the devices haven't been ordered.  I wanted to see if they're linux compatible.
[07:53] <ogra> tkz: btw there are no stupid questions ;)
[07:53] <tkz> ogra: that's what I think too but not all agree :)
[07:53] <ogra> tkz: only bad documentation......
[07:53] <tkz> :)
[07:53] <punkass> this is kinda a generic linux question...I have a ton of small zipped files..to store them is it better to store them all in one dir or in mulitple dirs, say by date or something ?
[07:53] <ogra> tkz: ...or good hidden one
[07:54] <unperson> Hi all.
[07:55] <topyli> what was the name of the cool daemonized music app?
[07:55] <unperson> I have asked at least one of these before but I have yet to get an answer.  I'm looking for GUI tools to a) Config wireless connection (swtich networks, setup encryption, etc.) and b) go into standby power mode.  Anyone know of such apps for Gnome?
[07:56] <rapha> Bah.
[07:56] <rapha> This OmniBook is a pile of crap.
[07:56] <rapha> I can EITHER have sound, OR have my WLAN card working.
[07:56] <rapha> Some wierd DMA conflict or something...
[07:57] <rapha> AND sound will only work when I load the module in /etc/init.d/gdm, but NOT when I load it in /etc/modules.
[07:57] <ogra> rapha: still your ISA card prob ?
[07:58] <rapha> ogra: Prolly. Well, I gave up on ALSA and am now using the OSS driver (no GnomeMeeting/Linphone then, but oh well).
[07:59] <punkass> unperson: i ended up making my own little wifi app
[07:59] <ogra> rapha: can you force interrupts in the BIOS ? i'd play with this.....
[07:59] <rapha> I just don't understand what problem the WLAN card has when the sound module is loaded. My ethernet PCMCIA card works fine. Tried different I/O port / IRQ / DMA settings on the sound card as well. Didn't really help.
[07:59] <rapha> I tried 5, 7 and 9.
[07:59] <rapha> For IRQ, that is.
[08:00] <rapha> The ethernet card uses 3, says so on module loading. No idea about the Orinoco WLAN card though.
[08:00] <ogra> rapha: cat /proc/interrupts tells you
[08:00] <unperson> punkass, Hmm...well, I'm sure there must be some out there somewhere.  There certainly are for KDE.
[08:01] <ogra> rapha: device manager should too
[08:01] <rapha> The driver probably has some code that says "get_snd_card_irq(&irq); init_card(&irq, &dma, &io); exit(1);"
[08:01] <punkass> unperson: check out gnomefiles.org
[08:01] <punkass> or you are welcome to try mine
[08:02] <rapha> Good idea ogra; I'll try that later.
[08:02] <rapha> For now, the 56k modem is busy with the system update :)
[08:02] <unperson> punkass, Thanks.  I'll check out gnomefiles.org first.  I think there's something to be said for having something standard (unless one is the author).
[08:03] <punkass> np...good luck... you may find wifi radar there...i tried it and couldnt get it to work right..
[08:04] <chibifs> Allo :D
[08:05] <chibifs> Awww, now come on, not all 300 of you are idling. :/
[08:05] <rapha> Okay, hi.
[08:06] <strestout1> hello
[08:06] <chibifs> Yay ^^.
[08:06] <chibifs> Just moved to ubuntu from Slackware last night. Still moving in..
[08:06] <ogra> hi
[08:06] <unperson> Welcome.
[08:07] <ogra> nice move btw
[08:07] <unperson> Never used Slack myself.
[08:07] <strestout1> has anyone successfully used ndiswrapper with ubuntu?
[08:07] <strestout1> i'm trying to get my wifi card working but no success so far
[08:07] <tolstoy> folks, do dvd burners (ide) implement a pretty standard interface such that I don't really have to worry about which one to buy?
[08:08] <desp> okay...
[08:08] <ogra> strestout1: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/
[08:08] <chibifs> It feels pretty fresh.. I've had problems with debian before though. I was a little skeptical. It's pretty nice compared to my in-the-past slack box. :/
[08:08] <desp> ogra: almost there
[08:08] <ogra> *g*
[08:09] <chibifs> Anyway, here's my inevitable, fairly stupid question. How do you add in the deb menu? x_X;
[08:09] <strestout1> thanx ogra, but thats the page i used to set it up
[08:09] <strestout1> the ubuntu kernel already comes with ndiswrapper module built in
[08:09] <strestout1> and i cant find ndiswrapper-utils to download anywhere
[08:09] <unperson> chibifs, The deb menu?  You mean the list of repositories, deselect, what?
[08:09] <desp> and...YES
[08:09] <desp> oldworld unsupported, my ass
[08:10] <ogra> strestout1: sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[08:10] <chibifs> I mean the menu that 'universe' programs add themselves to when you install them.
[08:10] <strestout1> ogra, if i could apt-get, i wouldnt need to get my wifi working :-D
[08:10] <ogra> chibifs: ubuntu != debian
[08:10] <desp> my oldworld is currently "Synchronizing clock to ntp.ubuntulinux.org..."
[08:10] <ogra> strestout1: should be on the cd
[08:10] <strestout1> unless i get off my lazy ass, move the pc downstairs, hook it up to my router, and do it that way
[08:11] <chibifs> I know, I'm assuming that the packages still add to that though, update-menus still exists. :/
[08:11] <ogra> desp: WOHA
[08:11] <desp> ogra: although that failed
[08:11] <strestout1> hmmm...on the cd...i'm an idiot for not thinking about that
[08:11] <desp> "Welcome to your new Ubuntu system! This program will now walk you through..."
[08:11] <ogra> desp: cmon, only the clock....
[08:11] <unperson> chibifs, Maybe someone else knows.  I haven't messed with it yet.
[08:12] <epod> If I turn ACPI off when I boot, does APM still run?
[08:12] <desp> ogra: agh, I forgot I need to set the DNS in a different way for linux than for macos...so it's my fault
[08:12] <desp> but I have ubuntu running now
[08:12] <strestout1> k, im gonna see if i can find ndiswrapper-utils on the cd then...brb
[08:12] <ogra> chibifs: it's patched out....
[08:13] <chibifs> Hehe, it's fine. Not that much of a gripe. I generally use XFCE CVS as an environment, I'm just seeing gnome 2.8 as a little better than 2.4 was. :o
[08:13] <ogra> chibifs: no debian menu in ubuntu
[08:13] <desp> should I write a HOWTO for getting ubuntu working on oldworld ppcs?
[08:13] <ogra> desp: on the wiki please
[08:13] <chibifs> Thanks. :D
[08:13] <desp> aight
[08:13] <ogra> epod: yes, it should
[08:14] <chibifs> I can live with out it, just need to pay more attention to what I install. >.>;
[08:14] <ogra> epod: needs th apm modue though
[08:14] <ogra> +e +l
[08:15] <chibifs> I'm also used to it since slack had no such thing. :o
[08:15] <fishytimlong> hello...is there simple, point and click way to setup one's modem to connect to your isp...i managed to do it (here i am) but i thought that ubuntu was supposed to be newbie friendly
[08:16] <achille1> what ever i try to install on my fresh ubuntu, it says:
[08:16] <achille1> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[08:16] <achille1> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[08:16] <achille1>         LANGUAGE = "en_GB:en_US:en",
[08:16] <achille1>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[08:16] <achille1>         LANG = "en"
[08:16] <achille1>     are supported and installed on your system.
[08:16] <achille1> can somebody help ?
[08:16] <dredg> achille1: thats your locale
[08:16] <snake__> Which module do in insert for a Broadcom NetXtreme??
[08:16] <Echramath> achille1: Yes, I had the same problem.
[08:16] <ogra> achille1: hoary ???
[08:16] <dredg> you need to generate the right locales
[08:17] <dredg> i think: dpkg-reconfigure locale
[08:17] <achille1> what is hoary ? sorry ;)
[08:17] <ogra> k
[08:17] <Echramath> But I couldn't generate locales before I commented en ISO-8859-1 out.
[08:17] <strestout1> ok ndiswrapper-utils is not in the cd as far as i can tell
[08:17] <strestout1> anyone have it and wanna send it to me :-D ?
[08:18] <chibifs> You should be able to get it with synaptic?
[08:18] <manusate> I'm a total newbie that needs some help, and will probably ask some stupid questions
[08:18] <ogra> strestout1: must be there.... Kamion ? ndiswrapper-utils on the cd ?
[08:19] <strestout1> i even tried to google ndiswrapper-utils and came up blank for files
[08:19] <chibifs> manusate- try me. :D
[08:19] <afonit> also, manusate, make sure you have read the faq's on the website
[08:20] <snake__> So any ideas on the broadcom driver? I have the new gnoppix and would like to give it a run
[08:20] <ogra> strestout1: try sudo apt-cdrom, then sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[08:20] <rapha> Bah
[08:20] <strestout1> will do ogra...brb
[08:20] <rapha> nautilus' ssh implementation is wierd. Sometimes it'll work and sometimes it won't.
[08:21] <achille1> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[08:21] <achille1> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[08:21] <achille1> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[08:21] <achille1> Package `locale' is not installed and no info is available.
[08:21] <achille1> reconfigure doesnt help..
[08:21] <ogra> achille1: sure you finished the install proprly ?
[08:21] <ogra> +e
[08:22] <mikael> i'm running the ubuntu livecd, and apt-get update says "E: Method http has died unexpectedly!" right after the first Get: line, and aptitude update seems to pick one random deb source and get it
[08:22] <ogra> achille1: the package is calles locales
[08:22] <achille1> at least it prompted so "installation succesfully"
[08:22] <mikael> my internet connection does work
[08:22] <ogra> s/d
[08:22] <tolstoy> Is it possible to do xinerama with the stock nv driver?
[08:23] <chibifs> Use the commercial, tolstoy. :P
[08:23] <chibifs> There's an install for it in apt.
[08:23] <strestout1> nothing ogra...i think i might just need to bring the whole pc down here and just hook it up to the router directly til i can get the wifi card working
[08:23] <achille1> in synaptic it says locales is installed.
[08:24] <ogra> achille1: dpkg-reconfigure locales   (regard the s )
[08:24] <afonit> if anyone has struggled getting mplayer working, here a an awesome site I found,  for the first time in my using linux I got it working, this is very straight forward  http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt
[08:25] <kyle> d
[08:25] <achille1>  locales is broken or not fully installed
[08:26] <ogra> afonit: see here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:26] <snake__> afonit, anything for those who do not know which module to insmod for a Broadcom NetXtreme????
[08:26] <achille1> says synaptic, how can i reinstall it without running into the same error messages again ?
[08:26] <kyle> can anyone help with mounting ntfs
[08:27] <afonit> ogra:  that is why they don't ship it with that
[08:27] <rapha> Poll: what screen resolution are y'all using?
[08:27] <tolstoy> chibifs, well, but is it possible, is all.  i mean, I'll use the commercial in a minute or two.
[08:28] <Echramath> snake__: Google didn't help you?
[08:28] <snake__> No.
[08:28] <ogra_watching_9-> afonit: its the install instruction, the right way for ubuntu
[08:28] <tolstoy> chibifs, I just get an error saying something like the device is already in use.  (dual head card)
[08:28] <chibifs> Kyle, I'm helping someone with such right now.
[08:28] <afonit> ogra: yes, anyways, I am just sharing a way that has worked for me, as all other's havent, to help out anyone else that might need it, not a big deal, so lets get past it
[08:29] <chibifs> I'll wiki it once I'm done if it isn't yet.
[08:29] <nimc> the 'desktop preferences / keyboard shortcuts' stopped having an effect (e.g. alt+f4 to close a window) - any idea how to solve it ?
[08:29] <XuW> akenet.org
[08:29] <ogra_watchingtv> afonit: i led more then 50 ppl with this... all are happy
[08:30] <afonit> k, now you are missing my point
[08:30] <chibifs> tolstoy - Did you fix your xf86config to use the nvidia driver? :P
[08:31] <bipolar> hi everyone. Has anyone used ubuntu's gnome packages in sarge? I've got a sarge server that I want to run remote gnome sessions from.
[08:31] <rapha> Whoops. Back.
[08:31] <rapha> Now again.
[08:32] <rapha> Poll: what screen resolution are y'all using?
[08:32] <tolstoy> chibifs, nah, i'm using "nv", but wanted to know if xinerama is even possible with it, even if it's not a good idea.
[08:32] <bipolar> rapha: 1400x1050
[08:32] <nimc> help? anyone knows what controls the gnome keyboard shortcuts?
[08:33] <tolstoy> chibifs, by "stock" I mean XFree's drivers.
[08:33] <nimc> 1600x1200
[08:33] <chibifs> Why ya using the stock drivers? :/
[08:33] <chibifs> I don't think it's possible.
[08:33] <chibifs> Or if it is, not very good. >.>;
[08:33] <david_> algun espaol?
[08:34] <tolstoy> chibifs, okay.
[08:34] <david_> hello, i am spanis
[08:34] <david_> help
[08:38] <kensai> anyone know where to download the xi-gnome icons since in gnome-look the link is down?
[08:38] <kensai> or a site with more themes than gnomme look?
[08:39] <topyli> kensai: art.gnome.org has lots of themes too
[08:40] <kensai> topyli: thanks
[08:45] <chibifs> Shoot
[08:45] <chibifs> He left before I told him to actually make the folder he was mounting to. x_X
[08:46] <Pizbit> He'll figure it out how the error message one hopes
[08:47] <chibifs> Does system V show mount errors? o.o
[08:47] <tolstoy> i never seem to have luck restarting networking on ubuntu
[08:56] <hennebausv> hello, i am totally new to ubuntu - in fact i havent used it yet. i am using archlinux at the moment and would like to give ubuntu a try. i would like to know what to download - the install iso or the livecd - am i also able to install the live one to hard drive or should i download the other one for that purpose for sure?
[08:56] <Pizbit> Live cd is not installable
[08:56] <Pizbit> You can only install using the install cd.
[08:59] <merlin0> helo
[09:01] <tolstoy> usb mouse blacklisted????
[09:01] <Pizbit> o_O? Mine works
[09:03] <Striss> my usb mouse works fine
[09:03] <tolstoy> Well, mine used to work fine, too.  It shouldn't make a different that it wasn't plugged in while booting, should it?
[09:03] <tolstoy> Or that there's a ps2 mouse hooked up as well?
[09:05] <tolstoy> seems its the wireless mouse
[09:07] <Pizbit> Shouldn't matter
[09:07] <Pizbit> tolstoy: Battery dead?
[09:07] <manusate> newbie needs help to do some basic stuff
[09:07] <tolstoy> well, no, got the red flashing light.  just changed 'em.  hm.
[09:07] <Pizbit> newbie will have to ask good questions to get answers.
[09:10] <manusate> how do I manage to automatically mount my ntfs partitions?
[09:11] <dredg> good question. i have fstab entries and they never seem to mount at boot
[09:12] <Napo> manusate: /etc/fstab ?
[09:12] <manusate> that doesn't ring a bell, Napo
[09:13] <dredg> /dev/hda1               /mnt/c                  ntfs    ro,users        0      0
[09:13] <dredg> refuses to mount at boot :)
[09:13] <brad> manusate: /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs users,owner,ro,umask=000 0 0
[09:13] <dredg> i think its udev related though
[09:14] <dredg> complains about the lack of /dev/hda1 :)
[09:15] <manusate> that is a line I must add on /etc/fstab?
[09:15] <brad> yes
[09:15] <Pizbit> manusate: Create the /mnt/windows directory first
[09:15] <manusate> I don't know shit on linux
[09:15] <manusate> sorry
[09:15] <Pizbit> *gone* *school*:)
[09:16] <Pizbit> As long as you ask good questions, listen, pay attention and don't be an ass, you'll be fine;)
[09:16] <manusate> 'sudo mkdir windows' will do the trick?
[09:16] <Pizbit> If you're in /mnt yes, else: sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[09:17] <Pizbit> *gone* for real:)
[09:17] <Napo> manusate: ... do you load the ntfs module at boot time?
[09:18] <manusate> don't know Nepo
[09:19] <manusate> I already created the /mnt/windows directory
[09:19] <Napo> manusate: echo ntfs >> /etc/modules
[09:19] <manusate> ok
[09:21] <manusate> denied access Napo (this sudo/root thing drives me crazy)
[09:22] <pepsi_> if you're doing a lot of stuff as root, just do sudo -s
[09:22] <kingsley> What do people here use to compress data?
[09:22] <Napo> manusate: sudo echo ntfs >> /etc/modules
[09:23] <Napo> kingsley: bzip2
[09:23] <pepsi_> kingsley, tar -zcf
[09:23] <Napo> pepsi_: so ... gzip
[09:23] <pepsi_> yes
[09:24] <manusate> nothing happens Napo
[09:24] <Napo> manusate: sure
[09:25] <Napo> manusate: you added the istruction to load the ntfs module at boot time
[09:25] <manusate> oh, I see
[09:25] <Napo> manusate: so ... reboot
[09:25] <manusate> lol
[09:25] <manusate> ok
[09:25] <Napo> manusate: but "sudo modprobe ntfs"
[09:25] <jdz`> *laughs*
[09:27] <kingsley> Napo: Why do you compress?
[09:27] <Napo> kingsley: what'
[09:27] <Napo> kingsley: what?
[09:28] <Napo> kingsley: i use always "tar vjcf"
[09:29] <kingsley> Napo: Do you compress to save space for backups or data transfers?
[09:29] <Napo> kingsley: only data transfer
[09:31] <kingsley> Is the compressed data transferred between your boxes, or to and/or from someone elses?
[09:31] <kingsley> pepsi_: Why do you compress?
[09:31] <manusate> here we go again
[09:31] <topyli> the Music Player Daemon is just too cool
[09:32] <manusate> rebooted
[09:32] <captine> Ubuntu vs Slackware 10.  Who's the winner?
[09:33] <manusate> now what?
[09:33] <[Phaedrus] > ubuntu
[09:34] <manusate> Napo?
[09:35] <tolstoy> any reason why, when i apt-get install dia, it doesn't show up in the applications menu?  (even after kicks and a re-login)?
[09:35] <Napo> kingsley: both
[09:35] <Napo> kingsley: if you save space use squashfs
[09:35] <shaver> so here I am, trying to get Java working on ubuntu (warty)
[09:36] <shaver> I'm following the http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian page
[09:36] <shaver> but the equivs-build stuff can't be found
[09:37] <Napo> manusate: sorry ... incomplete sentence: look to squashfs if you need more space
[09:37] <Napo> manusate: sorry ... i'm confused
[09:38] <Napo> manusate: write "lsmod | grep ntfs"
[09:38] <Napo> shaver: look on the Ubuntu web site on the documentation section
[09:38] <shaver> that's where I was looking, when I found the link to the Java-on-Debian page
[09:38] <jdz`> shaver: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387/view
[09:38] <mdz> tolstoy: I believe you want dia-gnome
[09:38] <manusate> lsmod | grep ntfs?
[09:39] <shaver> it said: If you wish to use the Java SDK/RE, see Java on Debian for an installation guide (it's also valid for Ubuntu).
[09:39] <jdz`> shaver: did you try the apt-sources?  that should be a lot easier.
[09:40] <shaver> jdz`: the z42.de/debian one?
[09:40] <jdz`> *nods*
[09:40] <shaver> that page says they no longer distribute packages
[09:40] <shaver> if you follow the link
[09:40] <shaver> which apt-sources should I use?
[09:43] <manusate> Napo: done, now what?
[09:44] <Napo> manusate: what is the answer?
[09:45] <shaver> jdz`: what apt-sources should I use?
[09:46] <tolstoy> mdz, oh, okay.
[09:46] <Pete-Gas> I am having problems printing with some programs
[09:46] <Pete-Gas> in gedit I can print to my printer just fine
[09:46] <Telep> Has anyone had a problem of losing the network connection after a while? It seems to happen regularly with me. Using DHCP.
[09:46] <Pete-Gas> but open office does not print
[09:47] <Pete-Gas> and firefox doesnt even know I have a printer setup
[09:49] <tolstoy> Ah! Back to warty goodness (which is not a sentence I ever expected to say).
[09:49] <tolstoy> :)
[09:50] <kent> When installing vmware i need to supply it with where my kernel-headers are. Are they installed by default? they are not in /usr/src. What is the package to install? I cant find a package with 2.6.8.1 in synaptic, and thats the kernel i run, and i guess the default one in Ubuntu since i dont think i changed kernel..
[09:50] <kensai> tolstoy: why?
[09:52] <brock> hi i have problems to install ubuntu.. i dunno how to detect my hdd
[09:54] <brock> i only have the option to "Manually edit partition table"
[09:55] <brock> debian sarge detected my hdd and installed the base system (and killd my windows) ^^
[09:56] <kent> Isn't 2.6.8 the default kernel in Ubuntu? How come i see no mention of that kernel with apt and synaptic? I only see 2.6.7 and below.
[09:56] <ryan> kent: if you don't choose to manually edit the partition table, it will use the entire disk
[09:57] <ryan> hence why you lost windows.
[09:57] <kent> ryan, i did not lose an entire disk, ;)
[09:58] <kent> ryan, my problem is why i cant find the kernel-headers for the default kernel in ubuntu :)
[09:58] <ryan> oh sorry wrong person
[09:58] <ryan> s/kent/brock/ ;)
[09:59] <brock> becourse it didn't detect my windows installation
[09:59] <brock> and lilo don't show the old installation
[09:59] <brock> and i dunno how to reconf it myself ..
[10:00] <brock> i did not install lilo in the bootloader (hda3)
[10:00] <brock> becourse this is the second time ..
[10:00] <brock> i thought this was safe .. it was not .
[10:00] <kent> ah, ubuntu names the kernel* packages linux-* now it works.
[10:01] <brock> i think there is no way for me to repair the masterboot record for windows becourse fixmbr works only for i386 (me amd64)
[10:02] <rapha> brock: Why don't you put GRUB into the MBR and have it chain load Windows?
[10:02] <Acridien> re
[10:02] <Acridien> What is .ICEauthority ?
[10:02] <TSWoodV> brock: Do you have another machine running amd64 windows?  If so, copy the MBR from there.
[10:03] <brock> i only have  a net install sarge (can not detect network device)  a sarge magazine DVD (grub didn't detect windows and broke it)  ubuntu 64 version (hdd not detected) ;)
[10:04] <brock> or can I fix or install GRUB with knoppix ?
[10:04] <rebirth> yeah you can.
[10:04] <rebirth> i remember i had to a while ago
[10:04] <rapha> You can even use a simple boot floppy with GRUB on it for that.
[10:04] <rapha> But make sure to print out the GRUB manual if you do that.
[10:05] <brock> i will ...
[10:06] <brock> very unix noob ... but determined to kill everything ... well i already did ^^
[10:06] <rapha> Oh, another option would be to re-install Ubuntu and let it take over the entire hard disk :)
[10:07] <jazzka> anyone using gdesklets?
[10:07] <rapha> Nah, resource eaters.
[10:07] <Acridien> How come when I launched k3b using sudo then my .ICEauthority became a root file
[10:08] <Acridien> ?!?
[10:08] <Acridien> what is ICEauthority btw
[10:08] <shaver> anyone else get jdk1.5 working on warty?
[10:09] <rapha> Wow, that nautilus sound preview thingy is dang cool.
[10:10] <[Phaedrus] > heh
[10:11] <rapha> [Phaedrus] : does that come from Phaidros?
[10:11] <rapha> Hmm.
[10:12] <rapha> Or would it be more fitting to enhance Evolution with a "use playlist X to notify me at this apointment" feature...
[10:13] <rapha> On the other hand, a small "start this command at this time"-program might be more easy to implement.
[10:14] <topyli> rapha: i'd do that with at or perhaps even sleep
[10:16] <mdz> Acridien: because k3b is buggy
[10:16] <Bobo_> Hello, I had some visitors who without permission installed windoze on my machine (I have been MS free for some months), however they did not delete my linux partition but installed it on empty space... but Now windoze boots default, my grub is gone.. who can I fix this... Pls.. help
[10:16] <Acridien> mdz: really
[10:17] <Acridien> mdz: how come it has changed my .ICEauthority owner
[10:17] <mdz> Acridien: because you ran it as root with HOME set to your home directory
[10:18] <Acridien> mdz: and what does it means ?
[10:19] <mirak_-> Bobo_, what kinda guest would go and do that??......
[10:19] <rapha> topyli: Well, right now I'm using sleep and a calculator to determine how many seconds I need the computer to sleep before it should wake me with music. But that means that (1) I always have to do some calculations before I can go to bed and (2) it doesn't work with Muine, only with mplayer or the like.
[10:19] <Bobo_> mirak_-: Evil one.. help me..
[10:19] <Acridien> mdz: At least I have an exemple of what root privileges mean :-)
[10:19] <rapha> But a front-end to apmsleep might be even cooler.
[10:20] <Bobo_> mirak_-: I now know why one shuold have boot password in bios enabled.
[10:20] <mirak_-> Bobo_, im a newb...sorry
[10:21] <rapha> Bobo_: Well, get KNOPPIX or so, chroot into your Ubuntu installation and run grub-install.
[10:21] <mirak_-> Bobo_, there you go...........what rapha said
[10:21] <jdub> Kamion: jeff
[10:21] <jdub> er
[10:21] <jdub> bong
[10:21] <Bobo_> rapha: Would that solve the problem??.. Is it that easy??.. I don't have knoppix, but I have SimplyMEPIS live CD can I use that one?
[10:22] <Jimi-Jam> hi
[10:22] <Acridien> mdz: how do I use cdrecord to make a copy of a cd ?
[10:22] <shaver> jdub!
[10:22] <shaver> jdub: help me get java installed =/
[10:22] <shaver> jdub: equivs isn't around for me, that I can see
[10:22] <Acridien> mdz: I wanted to do the job with kde
[10:23] <jdub> hey shaver
[10:23] <jdub> Acridien: use dd
[10:23] <jdub> shaver: hrm, did you see the java info on the wiki?
[10:24] <trans_err> Acridien, dd of=cdromdev cd.iso
[10:24] <Acridien> trans_err: and then cdrecord ?
[10:25] <trans_err> Acridien, dd will create an iso of the given cd and you can use cdrecord to then burn the iso onto a new disk
[10:25] <shaver> jdub: yes
[10:25] <shaver> jdub: I was foiled twice
[10:25] <Acridien> trans_err: oki tx alot
[10:25] <shaver> jdub: once, in that it directs me to the apt-sources for some z42.de site that doesn't have them
[10:26] <shaver> jdub: then the again in that the Java-on-Debian instructions require an "equivs" package that I am not allowed to find, or something
[10:27] <mirak_-> Bobo_, should work...as long as you can install grub from it......and only grub
[10:29] <Acridien> trans_err: dd if=/dev/hdc of=/home/acridien/cd.iso ?
[10:29] <trans_err> Acridien, oops- yeah
[10:30] <Acridien> trans_err: I should have read the man page earlier anyway tx
[10:30] <brock> yeah windows is booting just set the old partition back to active .. with parted ..
[10:31] <brock> but i have still the hdd problem with ubuntu ..
[10:32] <brock> WD raptor hdd !?!
[10:32] <shaver> jdub: any hints on where to get equivs?
[10:32] <shaver> jdub: the message I get is sort of odd
[10:33] <jdub> shaver: equivs is probably in universe
[10:33] <brock> anybody knows a little hind to tell ubuntu there is a hdd in the box ?
[10:33] <shaver> how do I make my computer find universe, I wonder?
[10:33] <jdub> shaver: uncomment lines in sources.list
[10:34] <shaver> OK!
[10:34] <Acridien> trans_err: I got a I/O error
[10:34] <mirak_-> shaver, open synaptic......go to settings-repositories.....enable them all
[10:34] <Acridien> trans_err: with hdc
[10:35] <SmokingFire> can you mount a partition on linux as a folder?
[10:35] <shaver> mirak_-: OK, I did that, and I don't find "equivs" still
[10:35] <SmokingFire> not asking how but just if you can
[10:36] <brock> ubuntu install does not detect my hdd is there something i can do ?
[10:36] <SmokingFire> wait, all paritions are mounted as folders for the end users, duh!
[10:36] <shaver> OK
[10:37] <shaver> now I'm rocking
[10:37] <mirak_-> shaver, im at work (widowns box) that's all I can do for ya.......maybe its in multiverse
[10:37] <mirak_-> shaver, find it?
[10:37] <shaver> yeah
[10:37] <mirak_-> shaver, btw...dont forget to hit the synaptic upgrade button
[10:37] <mirak_-> err update....whatever it is called
[10:37] <shaver> yeah, that's what I was missing
[10:37] <mirak_-> lol...sorry...didnt mention
[10:38] <shaver> np!
[10:38] <shaver> thanks a ton
[10:38] <mirak_-> :)
[10:38] <brock> can nobody help a little noob :| ?
[10:39] <mirak_-> broch, this newb will try to help
[10:39] <mirak_-> brock, whats the prob?
[10:39] <brock> ubuntu can not find my hdd at installation
[10:39] <mirak_-> brock, can anything else?
[10:40] <jonh_> mmm hi all.. i'm about to download ubuntu, i want to try it on a livecd first, should i choose to download the "warty-live-i386.iso" ?
[10:40] <mirak_-> brock, like the bios and such?
[10:40] <mirak_-> jonh, why not??........you got a pc right
[10:40] <brock> well debian sarge found the hdd correctly
[10:41] <jonh_> yup, just making sure b4 i download 650MB....
[10:41] <mirak_-> brock, check bios now......maybe its not there......idk......
[10:41] <brock> windows too....
[10:41] <brock> it is windows is currectly running
[10:41] <mirak_-> john, kk....yeah..thats the one you want.......
[10:41] <mirak_-> brock, idk then......sorry.....
[10:42] <brock> ok thx
[10:42] <jonh_> and i can also install from the livecd later, right?
[10:42] <ryan> does using the nforce driver improve soundcard abilities instead of just using the intel driver
[10:42] <mirak_-> brock, I don't know that much about linux.......if it were a windows prob I would say to check what kind of IDE ribbon you were using
[10:42] <mirak_-> john, I believe so......pretty sure
[10:42] <brock> i think the hardware is just a little new
[10:42] <jonh_> cheers
[10:42] <brock> and not supported ..
[10:43] <mirak_-> brock, whatcha got?
[10:43] <brock> WD raptor
[10:43] <mirak_-> jonh, good luck
[10:43] <Acridien> dd won't work
[10:43] <Acridien> I/O errors
[10:43] <Acridien> ?!?
[10:43] <mirak_-> brock, above me...sorry......but maybe the ogra bot is around and can help
[10:45] <brock> maybe a SATA problem ? !
[10:45] <Acridien> Is it possible to copy a dvd with dd ?
[10:46] <mirak_-> brock, could be......press f2 (i think) during install and browse the help file for sata stuff
[10:46] <Acridien> because at the moment it is complaining about an I/O error
[10:46] <shaver> I installed on SATA, worked great!
[10:47] <mirak_-> shaver, did you have to do anything??.....or just press enter?
[10:47] <SmokingFire> jonh_: Yes download the warty iso, I don't know if there is already a hoarty iso but from my personal experience the hoarty build needs some fixing.
[10:47] <SmokingFire> jonh_: as far as I know you can't install from the livecd.
[10:48] <mirak_-> smokingfire, really???.........wtf...why not
[10:48] <mirak_-> that is wierd
[10:48] <SmokingFire> mirak_ as far as I know
[10:49] <mirak_-> smokingfire, kk....i apologize
[10:49] <altan> okay, this is just ridiculous. Even on dialup there's absolutely no reason why Synaptic should fetch files at an average of 1k/s
[10:49] <mirak_-> smokingfire, too bad I took mine home...or I could tell you now
[10:49] <altan> are there any mirrors?
[10:49] <SmokingFire> you are the same mirak_ noob from some weeks ago?
[10:50] <altan> thing is, it seems to speed up when I open other internet processes
[10:50] <mirak_-> smokingfire, my name has never been "mirak_ noob" but yes...i am mirak
[10:50] <altan> like it tries to compete, but when there's no competition it works very slowly
[10:50] <mirak_-> smokingfire, may I ask why?
[10:50] <altan> any idea why the hell this could be happening?
[10:50] <SmokingFire> no i mean mirak & noob (newby)
[10:51] <SmokingFire> mirak_ I just like seeing kids growing up, call me sentimental.
[10:51] <strestout1> anyone know of a good samba frontend?
[10:51] <mirak_-> smokingfire, I am mirak, mirak_, and mirak_-......i am a newb
[10:52] <ogra> what a film
[10:52] <mirak_-> smokingfire, and yes I am getting a bit better.........things make sence to me now.........and I get to help in this room with some stuff
[10:52] <altan> like, I started Xchat, and suddenly it's working quite fast again
[10:52] <ogra> mirak ?
[10:52] <SmokingFire> kids being noob and growing up meaning helping others with advanced stuff.
[10:52] <mirak_-> ogra, bot I was just looking for you
[10:52] <ogra> i'm back from tv....
[10:52] <jmhodges> hey, i can't seem to figure out how to make rhythmbox like shoutcast playlists
[10:52] <mirak_-> ogra, what were ya watching?
[10:52] <jmhodges> i just get "Buffering..." over and over and over
[10:52] <jmhodges> and i know the site is up :-/
[10:53] <ogra> farenheit 9/11
[10:53] <SmokingFire> jmhodges: have you installed gst mad lib?
[10:53] <altan> does anyone else have "peer pressure" problems with their bandwidth?
[10:53] <ogra> was on german free tv today
[10:53] <jmhodges> SmokingFire: yeah, i'm listening to my mp3s right now
[10:53] <ogra> jhm: try streamtuner
[10:53] <ogra> jmhodges
[10:53] <jmhodges> hmm.. ok
[10:53] <altan> anyone?
[10:53] <jonh__> smokingfire, what does "warty" mean anyway?
[10:54] <SmokingFire> how can I get gnome to stop autoplay cd's?
[10:54] <jmhodges> jonh_: its shorty for "Warty Warthog" the name of the first release
[10:54] <altan> jonh__ it's from The Lion King I believe
[10:54] <SmokingFire> jonh_ its in the faq somewhere
[10:54] <ogra> jmhodges: if you anna record, streamripper too
[10:54] <ogra> +w
[10:54] <jmhodges> ooo
[10:54] <Acridien> ogra: hello
[10:54] <jmhodges> ogra: thanks
[10:54] <jdub> shaver: all sorted?
[10:54] <jonh__> aiight, thnx..
[10:54] <ogra> Acridien: hi
[10:54] <shaver> jdub: terrifyingly, yes, I think I have Java
[10:55] <Acridien> ogra: do you know how I get dd to make an iso image of a dvd ?
[10:55] <ogra> Acridien: wont work...
[10:55] <jdub> shaver: not the simplest thing to do atm.
[10:55] <Acridien> ogra: why?
[10:55] <shaver> jdub: agreed!
[10:55] <SmokingFire> Any ideas how to stop auto playing of audio CD's?
[10:55] <jdub> shaver: i imagine if we can get redistribution rights, it'll appear in multiverse.
[10:55] <ogra> Acridien: dvd has a different filesystem
[10:55] <jdub> SmokingFire: computer > desktop preferences > removeable devices
[10:56] <Acridien> ogra: is there a work-around ?
[10:56] <ogra> Acridien: no iso.... it think its called hfs...
[10:56] <ogra> Acridien: nope...
[10:56] <SmokingFire> jdub: thanks it was really annoying me as I'm ripping some cds
[10:56] <Acridien> ogra: there is no way to do that ?
[10:57] <ogra> Acridien: you can only copy it to disk....(i never copied a dvd actually...got no writer)
[10:57] <mirak_-> acridien, its not even that easy to do on windows
[10:58] <Acridien> ogra: and how do I get it copied on my disk ?
[10:58] <ogra> Acridien: drag n drop ??
[10:58] <SmokingFire> hey, if I do a dd if=/dev/cdrom of=myfilo.img will it be a standard iso?
[10:58] <ogra> smo: yep
[10:58] <ogra> SmokingFire
[10:59] <SmokingFire> ogra: ok thanks
[10:59] <mirak_-> well guys Im out.........
[10:59] <mirak_-> laters
[11:01] <tuxx> Evening ppl.
[11:03] <Acridien> ogra: isn't something weird with the default setting of the mount point in ubuntu
[11:03] <Acridien> ogra: for cds
[11:03] <ogra> Acridien: why ?
[11:05] <Acridien> ogra: do you have an fstab to show me i will compare
[11:05] <Acridien> ogra: and my media mount points are strange
[11:05] <ogra> Acridien: /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[11:05] <Acridien> ogra: but I don't have a cdrom0 mount point in /media
[11:06] <Acridien> ogra: and I didn't remember to have touch it
[11:06] <ogra> Acridien: what do you have for cdrom in media ?
[11:07] <manusate> how do I activate NTP support for internet time servers?
[11:07] <ogra> manusate: its there by default....on boot
[11:08] <tuxx> How do I activate my numlock uppon boot?
[11:08] <manusate> not working here
[11:08] <tuxx> manusate isn't it being set on boot?
[11:08] <manusate> hardware clock
[11:08] <Acridien> ogra: I have cdrom1 normal and a cdrom which has become an application-octetstream ?!? plus floppy and floppy0
[11:09] <tuxx> manusate on my system Ubuntu syncronises the time on every boot. It's not active but it's being set on boot.
[11:09] <Acridien> ogra: how the hell i screwed up that
[11:09] <tuxx> manusate if u wanna set it again hit 'sudo /etc/init.d/ntpd start'
[11:09] <tuxx> I believe it's ntpd.. something like that
[11:09] <manusate> NTP, but how can I change this behavior?
[11:10] <ogra> Acridien: seems like you tried to copy or dd something to /media/cdrom
[11:10] <tuxx> manusate I have no idea. I've wondered the same but stopped the wonderen since it's of no use when it's being set on boot every day :-)
[11:10] <tuxx> gotta run quick.. brb
[11:11] <manusate> 'command not found' tuxx
[11:11] <ogra> Acridien: remove /media/cdrom and do: cd /media && sudo ln -s cdrom1 cdrom
[11:11] <ryan> anyone successfully got the nforce audio drivers to build in ubuntu
[11:12] <ogra> manusate: sudo ntpdate ntp.ubuntulinux.org
[11:12] <ryan> i installed the linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3_2.6.8.1-16_i386 deb
[11:12] <Acridien> ogra: ...cdrom0 cdrom rather ?
[11:12] <ogra> Acridien: k
[11:13] <Acridien> ogra: I have to type the full path to th dev?
[11:13] <altan> Come on guys, there's got to be an answer, this is ridiculous! I just managed to get my apt-update going again by opening Firefox and going to a few web sites.
[11:13] <manusate> yeah, ogra
[11:13] <ogra> Acridien: if you cd to media before, no
[11:14] <ogra> ryan: does: sudo modprobe i2c-nforce2
[11:14] <ogra> ryan: help ?
[11:14] <manusate> problem is that I get this message 'NTP support is not running'
[11:15] <ogra> manusate: when ?
[11:15] <tuxx> manusate back
[11:16] <manusate> when I try to tick the 'syncronize clock with net server' box
[11:17] <manusate> or something like that, dunno the exact translation in english
[11:17] <ogra> manusate: this requires ntpd, bt this one is pretty active in keeping your clock in sync, causes much traffic
[11:18] <ogra> altan: what have you done ?
[11:19] <altan> ogra: Synaptic refuses to download things unless it has competition for the bandwidth
[11:19] <altan> this is by far the stupidest problem I've ever encountered in computers
[11:19] <ryan> wheres the ubuntu sound detection stuff
[11:19] <manusate> ok
[11:19] <manusate> tnx
[11:19] <ogra> altan: never seen this...are you on warty ?
[11:20] <altan> ogra: yes
[11:20] <ogra> ryan: hotplug cares for the sound
[11:20] <altan> and it only appears to be with the ubuntu web site
[11:20] <altan> I've downloaded 50+ MB things with no problem
[11:20] <Acridien> ogra: why do I have a floppy and floppy0 also ?!?
[11:20] <ogra> altan: looks more like a prob with the net, then synaptic
[11:20] <ryan> ogra: ah
[11:21] <altan> but Synaptic/apt and Ubuntu's web site (primary ISO mirror) seem to be too touchy about their standards
[11:21] <ryan> i want to tell it to use the nforce driver which has hardware mixing instead of the default :/
[11:21] <altan> ogra: it's just with the ubuntu primary servers, I'm quite sure
[11:21] <altan> are there no mirrors for ubuntu apt-updates?
[11:21] <altan> some more information: I am on dialup, in Istanbul Turkey
[11:21] <kent> altan, there are several mirrors.
[11:21] <ryan> hey ubuntu uses udev?
[11:22] <jdub> yes
[11:22] <kent> ryan, yes.
[11:22] <ryan> cool
[11:22] <altan> kent: for the ISO or actual mirrors?
[11:22] <altan> for apt?
[11:22] <ogra> altan: dunno if they are package mirrors too: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive/
[11:23] <ogra> altan: hmm, but looks like....try one of them
[11:23] <defendguin> is anyone using NetworkManager in ubuntu?
[11:23] <altan> ogra: I think I temporarily fixed the problem by leaving a window to ping google.com
[11:23] <altan> actually I'm not sure if it's a good idea
[11:24] <ogra> defendguin: not supported yet afaik
[11:24] <ogra> altan: why ?
[11:24] <altan> does ping generate enough traffic that I could be banned from google or something?
[11:24] <defendguin> ogra, i didnt ask if it was supported
[11:24] <defendguin> ;)
[11:24] <altan> ogra: I don't want to risk it now, it's working fast
[11:24] <ogra> defendguin: we had someone here today who tried it, didnt work
[11:25] <defendguin> ogra, yeah its being a pain still
[11:25] <altan> bbl, watching a movie as it updates
[11:25] <defendguin> but at least its not crashing
[11:25] <Mestapheles> hi
[11:27] <Mestapheles> guys what's with this, "We make a specific exception for some "drivers" which are only available in binary form, without which many computers will not complete the Ubuntu installation. We place these in restricted section of your system which makes them trivial to remove if you do not need them", from Ubuntu's philosophy page?
[11:27] <Mestapheles> I've never heard about this being a necesity on any platform, and what archetecture does this hit?
[11:29] <jdub> Mestapheles: there are heaps of binary-only drivers and firmware
[11:29] <Striss> Does anybody know if theres an X-Chat applet for gnome that notifies you when you get a msg?
[11:30] <altan> Why are the packages on security.ubuntu.com different?
[11:30] <ryan> ogra: are you really skinny
[11:30] <ogra> ??
[11:30] <ryan> [14:24]  * ogra has to eat now...GF gets angry otherwise
[11:31] <ogra> nope: [23:25]  * ogra has to eat now...GF gets angry otherwise
[11:31] <ryan> :p
[11:31] <kent> altan, maybe because they are security updates? just guessing though..
[11:32] <ogra> my lunch ;)
[11:32] <ogra> so yes, probably
 altan: dunno if they are package mirrors too: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive/ <--- oh jesus, no, this is nauseatingly frustrating. I can't access a list of possible mirrors because the primary site hosts the list.
[11:43] <jcole> would i use nerim.net to add mplayer support in ubuntu?
[11:43] <jdub> mplayer is in multiverse
[11:45] <visor> hi people how you doing?
[11:46] <jcole> jdub: what? are you saying nerim.net mplayer debs "integrate universally"  between various debian based distros?
[11:48] <tras> hello
[11:48] <klasiphyd> whats the difference between multiverse and universe
[11:49] <jcole> klasiphyd: universes as a whole in multiple dimensions?
[11:49] <tras> hello
[11:49] <dredg> a few letters
[11:49] <visor> haha
[11:50] <topyli> i forget who recommended mpd for a music player but i owe him/her a pint!
[11:50] <dredg> ogra: not personally
[11:50] <jcole> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse
[11:50] <ogra> universe keeps the nonsupported but free packages for ubuntu
[11:50] <bash> some one use x.org in ubuntu ?
[11:51] <ogra> multiverse the non-free stuff
[11:51] <jdub> jcole: no, i'm saying that mplayer is in multiverse
[11:51] <chibifs> I'd like to. :P
[11:51] <jdub> bash: next release
[11:51] <jcole> jdub: ah, sources.list attrib
[11:51] <bash> yeas
[11:51] <jcole> sheesh
[11:51] <klasiphyd> thanks ..
[11:51] <bash> bot
[11:51] <tras> hello everybody, where can i find the kernel source for my base kernel
[11:51] <chibifs> Oh, Ubuntu is switching to xorg now? :o
[11:51] <tras> 2.6.8-1
[11:51] <bash> warty..
[11:51] <bash> jd
[11:51] <bash> jdub,
[11:51] <tras> from apt don't work :-(
[11:52] <dredg> ;)
[11:52] <ogra> jdub there sould be a link to a pratchett site anywhere in the wiki ;)
[11:52] <topyli> dredg: in a perfect, or even a reasonably sane world, everything could be in main
[11:52] <ogra> tars: look for linx- not for kernel-
[11:52] <jdub> chibifs: that was always the plan. warty used xfree86 only because we didn't have time to upgrade and test.
[11:52] <ogra> linux-
[11:52] <dredg> topyli: i meant in everyday use, not ubuntu :)
[11:53] <tras> linux
[11:53] <tras> oki i try
[11:53] <bash> when out the next release.. ?
[11:53] <topyli> dredg: yeah, i got it, but i'm slow :)
[11:53] <ogra> bash: april
[11:53] <chibifs> Good, missing Xorg was my only gripe on switching to ubuntu. :P
[11:53] <bash> oh, goo
[11:53] <bash> s
[11:53] <yfir> anyone here know much about audio ? specifically, having trouble running jackd, audiomulch, and some soft synths
[11:54] <yfir> sorry audacity, not audiomulch
[11:54] <tras> ogra, linux-header that's right?
[11:54] <ogra> tras: thts the headers... what do you need it for ?
[11:54] <ogra> +a
[11:54] <topyli> someone say "topyli", i'm testing sound :)
[11:54] <tras> ogra, for install vmware
[11:55] <tras> ogra, vmware-config.pl
[11:55] <jcole> dredg: what about perverse
[11:55] <ogra> tras: so headers should work..... install build-essential too
[11:55] <chibifs> yfir, All I can remember about jackd, is it was more problematic than it was worth.
[11:55] <yfir> that's what i'm afraid of...
[11:55] <dredg> jcole: haha, i like the way you think :)
[11:55] <tras> ogra, thanks you, i'll find it in /usr/src then?
[11:56] <jcole> is vmware workstation available in ubuntu?
[11:56] <ogra> tras: let the vmware script care ;)
[11:56] <tras> ogra, ths from a french !
[11:56] <jdub> jcole: vmware is proprietary software; you have to buy it from vmware
[11:56] <tras> thx
[11:56] <chibifs> bash - Do you know who's doing the compile? I'd like to bug them about compiling in the newer Wacom Tablet drivers. :o
[11:57] <ogra> tras: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/VMware/
[11:57] <chibifs> They're not in the x.org tree.
[11:58] <tras> ogra, yes i've seen this but my vmware don't work for the moment thx
[11:58] <ogra> k
[11:59] <tras> i can't see what i write in xchat is very bad
[11:59] <ogra> tras: i understand it ;)
[11:59] <tras> white sub white
[11:59] <ogra> you can change the settings....
[12:00] <chibifs> tras, as long as you're not relying on a script of some sort, Gaim's IRC works just fine.