[12:00] <jdub> pitti: steaming along with the USNs :)
[12:01] <pitti> jdub: I do not manage to do anything else apart from security bugs right now :-(
[12:01] <seb128> everybody else has his trash applet broken in hoary ?
[12:01] <Mitario> jup
[12:02] <seb128> oh, Mitario !
[12:02] <jdub> yo Mitario 
[12:02] <Mitario> hi dudes :)
[12:02] <Mitario> seb128, going to investigate soon, probably some drag event which doesn't work
[12:02] <seb128> yeah
[12:02] <pitti> mdz: BTW, is there anybody else on your list who wanted to join the security team to reinforce me? 
[12:02] <seb128> I've a really weird behaviour
[12:02] <seb128> I DND something in the applet
[12:02] <seb128> and like 2-3 min after I get the animation on the screen
[12:02] <Mitario> well, weird that it doesn't work in gtk 2.5 but does in 2.4.x
[12:03] <Mitario> seb128, yeah, drag_timeout
[12:03] <seb128> ok
[12:03] <seb128> good luck with that :)
[12:03] <Mitario> ty :)
[12:03] <jdub> Mitario: what do you think about having a bigger icon pop up when you drag over the trash applet?
[12:04] <Mitario> jdub, jep was already hacking/thinking it out :D
[12:04] <mdz> pitti: fabio, but he is busy with X.org
[12:04] <Mitario> we need some animation which gives the user the idea that it's on top of the icon and the file has actually been 'dropped' in the icon
[12:07] <jdub> Mitario: mmm
[12:07] <Mitario> jdub, or isn't that what you meant?
[12:08] <jdub> Mitario: that's exactly what i meant ;)
[12:08] <Mitario> :d
[12:20] <seb128> jdub: are you going to upload polypaudio to debian too ?
[12:20] <jdub> azeem didn't want to just yet
[12:20] <seb128> why ?
[12:20] <jdub> i'm waiting a bit for lennart's next release anyway
[12:20] <jdub> rpath oddness in the modules, etc.
[12:21] <seb128> #272596 -> rename that to an ITP at least
[12:23] <pitti> night, guys!
[12:23] <Mitario> nn pitti
[12:29] <srbaker__> yaye
[12:30] <srbaker__> i ahve a tomboy package for ubuntu if anyone's interested
[12:31] <jdub> srbaker__: there's one in tseng's repo
[12:32] <srbaker__> jdub, oh, cool.  i wanted to do this anyways for educational value
[12:32] <srbaker__> god damnit.  balsa is being a pain in the ass
[12:59] <tseng> boo
[01:28] <elmo> jdub: dude, filter the lists on the X-Katie header
[01:33] <jdub> elmo: ahar
[01:33] <jdub> hrm
[01:34] <elmo> maswan: zoiks
[01:34] <elmo> poor little auckland - there must be steam coming off it
[01:35] <Mitario> nn all, hacktime tomorrow
[01:36] <jdub> elmo: hrm, see, can't.
[01:36] <jdub> hrm.
[01:36] <elmo> jdub: doh, oh well
[02:03] <jdub> mdz: so, Keybuk tells me that warty-updates is not in the default sources.list
[02:04] <jdub> lamont: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/t/tomcat4/4.1.30-6/tomcat4_4.1.30-6_20041101-2106-i386-failed
[02:04] <jdub> lamont: is this fixable in any sane way?
[02:05] <mdz> jdub: yep
[02:05] <jdub> mdz: this is much the suck
[02:05] <jdub> mdz: i'm going to mail ubuntu-users about it
[02:05] <jdub> mdz: but... hrm.
[02:06] <mdz> jdub: sabdfl has decreed that it shall be forced into warty-security
[02:06] <jdub> oh
[02:06] <jdub> yuck
[02:06] <mdz> jdub: baby jesus may not be crying, but he's definitely making a face
[02:14] <lamont> jdub: looking
[02:16] <lamont> jdub: sure: simply provide a blackdown-j2sdk1.4 package where the buildd's can fetch it (even if we don't allow machines outside the LAN to fetch it), and lots of stuff will suddenly build
[02:16] <lamont> and get baby jesus some candy or something...
[02:30] <jdub> heh
[02:30] <jdub> mdz: so should i upload to warty-security, or are we going to push the packages over?
[02:30] <mdz> jdub: that'd be an elmo question
[02:30] <jdub> hrm
[02:31] <jdub> elmo: still awake?
[02:31] <elmo> unfortunately
[02:31] <mdz> jdub: I've updated the HoaryGoals wiki page with the rest of the stuff discussed at the kickoff meeting
[02:31] <jdub> HELLO ELMO!
[02:31] <jdub> mdz: rock
[02:31] <mdz> jdub: but I realized that my notes don't contain information about which bounties you had candidates for and which were open
[02:32] <mdz> jdub: if you could make a pass over the page and note where you already have a candidate, we can start to actively point folks to the remainder
[02:32] <jdub> mdz: i was thinking of bugzillizing them, and making a nice tree
[02:32] <jdub> good for tracking
[02:32] <mdz> I really don't want to fill bugzilla with enhancement requests
[02:33] <mdz> certain users are already trying, and my current feeling is that they should all be moved elsewhere
[02:33] <jdub> these are features goals, there's a difference :)
[02:33] <elmo> jdub: done
[02:33] <mdz> but they aren't, they're potential goals which may or may not happen
[02:33] <jdub> yeah
[02:33] <mdz> targets of opportunity, mostly
[02:33] <jdub> elmo: oh, you moved them?
[02:33] <mdz> fine with opening a bug once there's someone to assign it to
[02:33] <mdz> but I'd rather not create a bunch of bugs with no home
[02:34] <srbaker_> grrrrrrrr
[02:34] <jdub> mdz: yeah, only want a tree of assigned tracking bugs
[02:34] <elmo> jdub: yeah - didn't you want me to?
[02:34] <jdub> elmo: was asking what we should do
[02:35] <elmo> oh, duh.  well.  hasn't sabdfl spoken?
[02:35] <jdub> never mind
[02:35] <elmo> ?
[02:39] <jdub> mdz: checked out libuser yet?
[02:42] <lamont> ah, jabber seems happy again
[02:46] <mdz> jdub: no
[02:46] <mdz> jdub: ok, so for the ones where there's an assignee, feel free to create a bug and link it from the wiki
[02:49] <mdz> jdub: will you do that?
[02:50] <jdub> ok
[02:50] <mdz> great, thanks
[03:34] <vinsci> "security" needs to be a top-level item on the web site
[03:36] <vinsci> rather than hidden under support|documentation|security notices
[03:58] <mdz> vinsci: agreed
[03:59] <mdz> it needs to be more prominent
[04:00] <mdz> vinsci: filed bug #3145 about it
[06:15] <fabbione> morning guys
[06:17] <fabbione> lamont: are you still around?
[06:17] <fabbione> buildd's did pickup xrender ubuntu3
[06:24] <fabbione> mdz: libreadline5 needs to move from universe to main
[06:24] <fabbione> quite a bunch of packages depends on it
[06:24] <fabbione> and it blocks pure warty -> hoary updates
[07:01] <fabbione> UHA
[07:01] <fabbione> i am running XORG!
[07:01] <fabbione> i am running XORG!
[07:07] <tseng> fabbione: you rock ++
[07:10] <fabbione> :-)
[07:11] <fabbione> the upgrade seems to be pretty smooth
[07:11] <fabbione> there are a few tons of things that needs checking tho
[07:14] <hornbeck> fabbione: yes you do rock++ I can't wait to play myself
[07:15] <daniels> fabbione: i've been running xorg for months (although back to xfree86 now), get with the program :P
[07:15] <fabbione> daniels: but you suck :P
[07:16] <fabbione> hornbeck: it won't take too long
[07:16] <fabbione> daniels: the upgrade looks pretty good
[07:16] <fabbione> there is not much that needs modification
[07:16] <fabbione> daniels: specially because we kept the same name schema
[07:16] <daniels> fabbione: cool :)
[07:16] <fabbione> guys... daniels has is portion of credits too
[07:16] <fabbione> s/is/his/
[07:17] <daniels> fabbione: just eating my free croissants, then I'll head off and go over to your place and we can set up buildd and stuff there
[07:17] <fabbione> daniels: setting up an upgrade bitch machine to torture
[07:17] <fabbione> daniels: sure.. take the time you need
[07:17] <daniels> fabbione: btw, the wireless here is really weird; none of the access points were active until 7am, and they were all off when I got back
[07:17] <fabbione> daniels: do you remember how to come here?
[07:17] <fabbione> daniels: hmmm i would give a kismet shot to the area..
[07:17] <fabbione> i am sure there are more :-)
[07:18] <daniels> GNAR
[07:18] <daniels> would it be possible to limit hoary-changes to *only* messages from katie?
[07:18] <daniels> fabbione: yah, catch the C line train to Islev
[07:18] <daniels> fabbione: still got the sheet of paper
[07:18] <fabbione> cool
[07:18] <fabbione> daniels: for some reasons katie accepted xresprobe ubuntu3
[07:18] <fabbione> but it has not been built
[07:19] <fabbione> or better.. it did never hit the buildd
[07:19] <fabbione> (fixing the build-dep)
[07:19] <daniels> fabbione: eh, it'll get there in time
[07:20] <fabbione> well.. i uploaded it yesterday evening
[07:20] <fabbione> other packages after it have been already built
[07:20] <fabbione> it's not a big deal
[07:20] <fabbione> X.org installs fine without
[07:20] <fabbione> but it doesn't build without ;)
[07:22] <daniels> heh :)
[07:44] <fabbione> daniels: remember that you need to stamp the ticket!
[07:44] <fabbione> there are some red machines at the train station
[07:44] <fabbione> if they catch you without the stamp is like 500DKK
[07:45] <daniels> ahr
[07:45] <daniels> holy crap, that's expensive
[07:45] <daniels> like AUD160
[07:48] <fabbione> if in doubts just ask to people
[07:48] <fabbione> they are friendly with turists
[07:48] <fabbione> ;)
[07:50] <pasc> fabbione: with a face like this: http://fooishbar.org/gallery/syd-jul2004/acc
[07:50] <pasc> ?
[07:52] <daniels> fabbione: ok, heading off now
[07:58] <fabbione> daniels: ok
[07:58] <fabbione> pasc: ehehe
[07:58] <fabbione> ok all lib* maint script revisited
[08:29] <mdz> fabbione: morning
[08:29] <mdz> fabbione: yes, there are several packages which need to move into main when the dust settles
[08:35] <fabbione> mdz: ok. do you know what happened to the buildd yesterday?
[08:35] <mdz> fabbione: I don't know what you mean
[08:36] <fabbione> i uploaded xrender ubuntu3
[08:36] <fabbione> accepted by katie
[08:36] <fabbione> never built
[08:36] <fabbione> other packages upload after have been built
[08:36] <fabbione> there are no signs of build logs
[08:38] <mdz> no idea, lots of other stuff has built fine
[08:40] <fabbione> mdz: do you have access to check or do we have to wait for elmo/lamont?
[08:47] <mdz> fabbione: I do not
[08:47] <fabbione> ok
[08:48] <fabbione> hey Mithrandir 
[08:51] <Mithrandir> hiya fabio, how's .dk today?
[09:12] <daniels> Mithrandir: denmark is nice today
[09:14] <Mithrandir> daniels: gotten any chocolate yet?
[09:14] <daniels> not yet
[09:23] <fabbione> Mithrandir: nice sunshine... amazing.. probably daniels took a slice of summer with him :-)
[09:23] <Mithrandir> sounds nice
[09:56] <mvo_> hi seb128 
[09:57] <seb128> morning
[09:57] <seb128> good morning mvo_ :)
[09:58] <seb128> jdub: around ?
[10:06] <vinsci> thanks, mdz
[10:44] <bob2> thom: your dbus cvs packages ftbfs :)
[10:48] <mvo_> anyone familar with discover1 out there?
[10:49] <fabbione> mvo_: daniels is.. 
[10:49] <daniels> sup?
[10:50] <mvo_> daniels: is there a way to tell discover to load a module with certain parameters?
[10:52] <daniels> not without hacking the code
[10:52] <daniels> file an enhancement and assign it to me and I'll get it done
[10:53] <mvo_> arggs :/
[10:53] <daniels> is it urgent?
[10:53] <daniels> i still have merge stuff to complete as well as x.org
[10:53] <mvo_> not urgent, it's for #3154
[10:53] <daniels> cool
[10:53] <mvo_> there may be other ways to deal with the problem of the parameters
[10:53] <daniels> well if you just want to file another one and mark it as blocking 3154, that'll probably be easiest
[10:54] <mvo_> thanks. I'll first have a look if there is another (easier) way to solve the problem
[10:54] <bob2> thom: and your Sources.gz is out-of-date wrt wireless-tools
[10:54] <seb128> fabbione: "to 2004-01-01" ? You're restarting the same year again ? :)
[10:54] <fabbione> ops
[10:54] <fabbione> it was meant to be 2004-11-01
[10:55] <carlos> seb128: 2004 is being a good year :-P
[10:55] <seb128> :)
[11:03] <robtaylor> hey all!
[11:03] <robtaylor> hey, carlos! hows accessd going? i saw the post to the dbus list..
[11:57] <Mitario> hi all
[11:57] <Mitario> why aint I proud to be a dutchie :S
[12:05] <maswan> elmo: well, we didn't seem to get too many mails tonight. we have dropped the partial cd mirror though, since we ran out of space hard yesterday.
[12:05] <elmo> maswan: doh
[12:05] <maswan> elmo: we're at 10 gigs free out of 400 now.
[12:05] <Kamion> where were you mirroring CD images from?
[12:06] <maswan> (well, strictly, 20 gigs out of 800, but all data counts twice since we do full replication)
[12:06] <maswan> Kamion: same place, the releases directory
[12:06] <Kamion> right
[12:06] <maswan> # rsync --delete --delete-after --hard-links -aq rsync://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases /export/ftp/mirror/ubuntu-cdimage/releases
[12:08] <maswan> elmo: but still, official mirorrs should probably have a private authorized module with a high enough max client count
[12:09] <maswan> that way, hitting the max client count on the anon part doesn't hurt that much
[12:09] <elmo> maswan: yeah, they will
[12:10] <elmo> does anyone know why fakeroot's shared lib is u+s ?
[12:11] <elmo> maswan: I've just been a bit crap about setting up proper mirror infrastructure so far
[12:12] <maswan> elmo: ah, ok. let me know if you want a helping hand, assuming I'm not out travelling or so.
[12:12] <Kamion> maswan: oh, don't use that one, use rsync://releases.ubuntu.com/releases
[12:13] <Kamion> maswan: archive.u.c/cdimage/releases/ has a fair amount of junk in it, and we'll hopefully be able to get rid of it at some point
[12:13] <maswan> Kamion: ah, ok. thanks. I'll change that for the still commented out ubuntu-cdimage part then.
[12:41] <elmo> Dear World, please stop finding security bugs in packages that are installed on any Linux machine.  kthxbye
[12:44] <pitti> fabbione, daniels: did you see Matt's message with the libxpm patch?
[12:45] <pitti> fabbione, daniels: do you think it is security relevant and must be fixed for Warty?
[12:45] <pitti> elmo: +1
[12:46] <pitti> fabbione: since an X build would probably last until tomorrow on my machine, can I ask you to prepare and test an updated package? In exchange I would fix this new security bug in apache...
[01:53] <fabbione> Kamion: what is the status of the installer for hoary?
[01:58] <Kamion> fabbione: working on it :-)
[01:58] <Kamion> fabbione: nearly there, but not quite yet
[01:59] <fabbione> Kamion: cool.. do you have any ETA for when we can attempt the first clean hoary installs?
[01:59] <fabbione> Kamion: i will have to test X.org on fresh installs pretty soon
[01:59] <elmo> Kamion: dude - what's the easiest way to use a different kernel with warty installer?  I need a G5 friendly kernel
[02:01] <Kamion> elmo: wget it, chroot /target dpkg -i before rebooting?
[02:01] <Kamion> elmo: or do you need it in the installer too?
[02:01] <Kamion> fabbione: later this week, at a guess. I'm buried in the base-config merge now
[02:01] <elmo> need it in the installer - the existing kernel is unpatched, so won't boot AIUI
[02:01] <elmo> I'll check tho
[02:01] <fabbione> Kamion: cool
[02:01] <Kamion> elmo: modules don't need to change, do they?
[02:01] <elmo> kamion: nope, just your patch needs applying
[02:02] <Kamion> elmo: if not, knock up a kernel-image .udeb with the new vmlinux and the same control information as the existing one, and drop it in place of the existing one on the CD
[02:02] <elmo> netboot's an option, if that's easier
[02:02] <Kamion> uh, I'm on crack, excuse me, kernel-image is irrelevant
[02:03] <Kamion> elmo: either put the new vmlinux in /install/powerpc/ on the CD, or just replace the warty d-i netboot kernel with your custom one
[02:03] <elmo> kamion: cool, thanks will try that
[02:03] <elmo> the latter that is
[02:09] <lamont> morning
[02:10] <fabbione> hey lamont 
[02:10] <lamont> morning fabbione
[02:11] <lamont> hoary.all.amd64:libs/xrender_0.9.0-0ubuntu3: Installed [optional:out-of-date] 
[02:11] <lamont> hoary.all.i386:libs/xrender_0.9.0-0ubuntu3: Installed [optional:out-of-date] 
[02:11] <lamont> hoary.all.powerpc:libs/xrender_0.9.0-0ubuntu3: Installed [optional:out-of-date] 
[02:11] <lamont> fabbione: or what was the issue?
[02:12] <seb128> hi lamont 
[02:12] <fabbione> lamont: elmo fixed it. thanks
[02:13] <fabbione> lamont: ubuntu2 went in dep-wait
[02:13] <fabbione> i fixed the deps in ubuntu3
[02:13] <fabbione> but it was not unlocked automatically
[02:15] <Kamion> daniels: you still looking for that syslinux upload? I didn't make it back to a screen last night
[02:16] <daniels> Kamion: um yeah, if you could, that would be cool, thanks
[02:16] <daniels> adelie has been radiating hate
[02:17] <lamont> fabbione: ah, ok
[02:58] <geoff__> just installed to partition with xp. Looking good so far
[03:06] <pitti> elmo: when you put my key into the upload keyring, you asked me which email address I wanted to use. Now that I have a @canonical address, this might be better suited. Do you have to change anything for that?
[03:07] <elmo> pitti: no, *@canonical.com Just Works
[03:07] <pitti> elmo: okay, thanks
[03:08] <fabbione> elmo: when can i swap my gpgkeys?
[03:10] <Kamion> did anyone make a decision on libelfg0/libelfg0-dev in main?
[03:10] <Kamion> it's blocking debootstrap
[03:11] <elmo> migrated
[03:12] <Kamion> hm, libreadline5 too
[03:12] <Kamion> not sure what we're doing about that
[03:13] <Kamion> python wants it so it probably has to move to main though
[03:16] <elmo> gar fuck
[03:16] <elmo> libelf is one of the same version in warty/hoary things
[03:21] <geoff__> how do I "uncomment" lines in /etc/apt/sources.list  to be able to download universe packages. Newbie
[03:22] <thom> geoff__: you really want to be in #ubuntu for user support questions, this is the developemnet channel
[03:22] <geoff__> Ok, sorry thom and thanks
[03:28] <mjg59> Where's Mark at the moment? Still out of the country?
[03:28] <elmo> yeah - he's reading email tho
[03:28] <fabbione> mjg59: yes
[03:29] <daniels> mjg59: in sidd iffrika
[03:29] <mjg59> mark@canonical.com ?
[03:29] <daniels> mark@hbd.com is his main one iirc, though he probably also gets mark@canonical
[03:29] <elmo> yeah, either works
[03:41] <Kamion> elmo: want a dummy libelf upload or something? :)
[03:42] <elmo> no, there's a bunch of packages this affects, we can't fork them all just to move them between components
[03:42] <elmo> I'm working on it - it just means making DB changes and stuff, meh
[03:44] <Kamion> ok, I'll hack around it for now
[03:44] <elmo> actually, no it doesn't.. I'll just brute force it
[03:45] <daniels> it's a race to see who can hack the fastest
[03:47] <Kamion> I'd've won already if my NET CONNECTION WEREN'T SO SLOW
[03:48] <Kamion> of course this might have something to do with debmirror currently trying to suck down all of hoary/main+restricted
[03:49] <mjg59> Kamion: Are you doing anything this evening?
[03:49] <Kamion> not a lot
[03:49] <mjg59> Fancy meeting to chat about the POST thing?
[03:50] <daniels> Kamion: and it was only the other day you were saying something baout making my dialup explode :P
[03:50] <Kamion> mjg59: yeah, that sounds like a plan
[03:53] <winkle> Any reason for leaving jabberd2 out?
[03:54] <daniels> winkle: no-one proposed it?
[03:58] <winkle> Ok.
[04:01] <plovs_work> who is admins@admins.warthogs... Thom or James?
[04:02] <daniels> plovs_work: both
[04:03] <plovs_work> daniels, thanks
[04:03] <mvo_> ping doko
[04:03] <Kamion> plovs_work: you need to know? :)
[04:04] <Keybuk> Kamion: probably a matter of language ... elmo you ask nicely, thom you say "do this, bitch" <g>
[04:04] <plovs_work> Kamion, need to sent a mail about the wiki and got two possible names
[04:04] <thom> and people wonder why i ignore mail from scott
[04:04] <thom> :P
[04:05] <Kamion> plovs_work: if you need to send a mail, why not just use the role address?
[04:08] <daniels> Keybuk: no, to elmo, you say 'dude! account! now!', and to thom you just smile sweetly
[04:09] <mjg59> Kamion: Do you have pjc50's mobile number?
[04:09] <Keybuk> interesting, and how long did it take you to get an account again?
[04:09] <Kamion> yes
[04:09] <mjg59> Could you /msg it?
[04:09] <daniels> Keybuk: ehm, about three minutes after I asked thom :)
[04:10] <enrico> elmo?  thom?
[04:10] <daniels> Keybuk: that's how you get accounts created -- if you have any idea on how to get thom to Fabric, let me know :P
[04:14] <daniels> gah, it would be truly useful if dput had substitution in the post_command_hook
[04:14] <daniels> something like ssh trider-g7.int.fabbione.net wanna-build --needs-build %p, hypothetically
[04:24] <Kamion> root@cairhien:/# base-config new
[04:24] <Kamion> Terminated
[04:24] <Kamion> I can see this is going well
[04:26] <plovs> Kamion: thanks
[04:39] <elmo> AAAAAAAAAAAAIEEEEEEE
[04:39] <daniels> Keybuk: if you're drinking, put the glass down and swallow
[04:39] <elmo> ocaml-native-compilers                     | ocaml                            | cdbs (Build-Depend) 
[04:39] <elmo> what CRACK is that?
[04:40] <daniels> elmo: ...
[04:41] <fabbione> elmo: pure shit :-)
[04:42] <fabbione> of the best quality
[04:46] <mdz> morning
[04:47] <Keybuk> mdz: what are you doing online?!  get out there and vote as many times as possible! :D
[04:47] <mdz> Keybuk: hopped out of bed after realizing that my UTC offset had changed since the last tech board meeting :-)
[04:47] <Keybuk> is there an agenda for this one?
[04:47] <daniels> mdz: when is the next one?
[04:48] <mdz> I think it's empty at the moment
[04:48] <mdz> hmm, no, I seem to recall adding something to it
[04:48] <mdz> daniels: every second week
[04:48] <mdz> tuesday
[04:48] <fabbione> elmo: i need a few packages on hoary chroots on both adare and yellow...
[04:48] <Keybuk> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda  still thinks we're having the next one two weeks ago
[04:48] <daniels> Keybuk: that's because it's the old wiki, foo'
[04:48] <fabbione> elmo: adare: Unmet build dependencies: groff libpam0g-dev | libpam-dev rman lynx libpng12-dev | libpng-dev libxcursor-dev dbs libxrender-dev (>= 0.9.0)
[04:48] <mdz> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/.* is dead
[04:48] <elmo> fabbione: the yellow chroot isn't a real amd64 chroot btw
[04:48] <fabbione> elmo: yellow: Unmet build dependencies: libglide2-dev (>> 2001.01.26) libxrender-dev (>= 0.9.0)
[04:48] <mdz> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[04:49] <fabbione> elmo: hmmmm.. i think it will do..
[04:49] <mdz> Keybuk: we're going to talk about how you're going to work the merge magic on an ongoing basis for hoary :-)
[04:49] <fabbione> elmo: isn't that chroot created from warty -> hoary upgrade?
[04:49] <Keybuk> are we?  that's nice :o)
[04:50] <Keybuk> hmm, changing timezones plays hell with Evolution's ongoing calendar
[04:50] <fabbione> elmo: btw.. (hoary-chroot)fabbione@adare <- good | fabbione@yellow <- no good
[04:50] <elmo> fabbione: no, I did a new one, 'cos I'm stupid.. I'll redo it in asec
[04:51] <fabbione> elmo: ok.. let me logout
[04:51] <fabbione> elmo: done.. it's all free (my side)
[04:51] <elmo> Kamion: fyi, I did almost all the outstanding syncage, you should be good now
[04:52] <elmo> ohh... which means, the testing output just became usable again..
[04:53] <elmo> hmm, except it's all on crack.. anyway blah
[04:55] <elmo> fabbione: done adare
[05:01] <mdz> tech board meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[05:01] <daniels> elmo: please sync xfsprogs_2.6.20-1
[05:01] <Keybuk> elmo, mako, anyone else: #ubuntu-meeting
[05:01] <mdz> Kamion, fabbione, thom, anyone
[05:02] <daniels> fabbione is moving a washing machine at the moment, sort of
[05:02] <elmo> umount: /srv/chroots/warty-chroot/proc/: device is busy
[05:02] <daniels> he'll be there
[05:02] <thom> already there :-)
[05:02] <elmo> daniels: done
[05:03] <daniels> elmo: thanks
[05:03] <elmo> anyone know how to trace down _why_ it's busy?  lsof is unhelpful
[05:03] <elmo> there's nothing else bind mounting that directory or anything silly - other /proc chroot mounts umounted successfully
[05:05] <daniels> elmo: quilt 0.35-1.1 kthx
[05:08] <elmo> daniels: done
[05:09] <daniels> ta
[05:10] <fabbione> elmo: thanks
[05:10] <fabbione> dchroot -c hoary
[05:10] <fabbione> Executing shell in 'hoary' chroot.
[05:10] <fabbione> No directory, logging in with HOME=/
[05:10] <fabbione> fabbione@yellow:/ $ 
[05:10] <daniels> elmo: re2c 0.9.1-6 plz
[05:11] <fabbione> elmo: are you rebuilding yellow too?
[05:11] <elmo> fabbione: see above about proc
[05:12] <mvo_> mdz: upgrade-notifier is ready for first upload. can I just upload it? 
[05:12] <mdz> mvo_: sure
[05:12] <mdz> long live horay
[05:12] <mdz> hoary
[05:15] <mvo_> mdz: it contains a cron-job that will do a daily "apt-get update" and is dbus-ified so updates/package manager runs will result in recalculation of the cache
[05:15] <mdz> mvo_: hmm
[05:15] <mdz> I had thought that the cron job would be part of apt
[05:16] <fabbione> elmo: fuser ?
[05:16] <mvo_> mdz: we can of course do that as well, but my reasoning was that it should be easy for the user to disable this notification stuff. in that case he only has to uninstall the upgrade-notifier and no more cron and icon. 
[05:17] <mdz> mvo_: but there are other reasons to update the lists from cron, without upgrade-notifier
[05:17] <thom> elmo: please can you sync mozilla-firefox from unstable?
[05:18] <fabbione> elmo: i can see several files open in the warty-chroot
[05:18] <elmo> SKIP (too new)
[05:18] <elmo> Rejected: syslinux_2.11-0.1ubuntu1.dsc refers to syslinux_2.11.orig.tar.gz, but I can't find it in the queue or in the pool.
[05:18] <elmo> someone
[05:19] <fabbione> #!/bin/sh
[05:19] <fabbione> exit 101
[05:21] <mdz> mvo_: I suppose we need to provide some way to enable/disable it, though
[05:21] <mdz> I'm a bit nervous about having apt run the cron job by default, too
[05:21] <mdz> though it's something that I do practically everywhere
[05:21] <mvo_> same here :)
[05:22] <thom> elmo: backuppc also
[05:22] <elmo> thom: both done
[05:25] <Kamion> elmo: arse, ok, will fix
[05:26] <Kamion> I've uploaded the base-config merge; however, I expect it to break, because I haven't been able to test it fully and it was very complicated. I figure nobody will notice because the rest of the installer doesn't work yet :-)
[05:26] <thom> danke
[05:26] <fabbione> Kamion: cool :-)
[05:27] <fabbione> Kamion 
[05:27] <fabbione> if you want i can upload X now.. so nothing will work.. full stop
[05:27] <fabbione> we can share the blames :-)
[05:28] <Kamion> if you like :-)
[05:28] <fabbione> Kamion: don't temp us.. we are almost ready :-)
[05:28] <daniels> gnah
[05:28] <fabbione> (... to break world ;))
[05:28] <daniels> Kamion: sorry, my bad
[05:29] <Kamion> daniels: no, my fault for not building with -sa
[05:29] <Kamion> elmo: I've re-uploaded the .orig.tar.gz and the .changes; is that enough, or do I need another full upload?
[05:32] <elmo> no, it's not, but I've fudged it
[05:32] <daniels> Kamion: thanks for the sponsoring
[05:32] <daniels> Kamion: feels just like the KDE-maintaining days ;)
[05:35] <Kamion> :-)
[05:35] <Kamion> elmo: thanks
[05:35] <Kamion> you'd think I'd know the gotchas by now
[05:35] <zul> bleah..
[05:36] <daniels> Riddell: it's yours! take it! please!
[05:36] <daniels> Riddell: (the reference was when I was running around #debian-devel, harassing everyone I knew to sponsor my KDE uploads)
[05:38] <Riddell> unfortunatly I'm not a debian developer, and I don't have time to do KDE for Ubuntu (unless they pay me)
[05:39] <daniels> Kamion: is the right fix for 1685 to hardcode to another location, or is leaving it to $PATH secure enough?
[05:39] <daniels> Riddell: i wasn't a DD when I maintained KDE ...
[05:41] <Kamion> daniels: can't use $PATH
[05:41] <Kamion>         if (!options.xauth_location ||
[05:41] <Kamion>             (stat(options.xauth_location, &st) == -1)) {
[05:41] <Kamion>                 debug("No xauth program.");
[05:42] <Kamion> it'll have to be hardcoded to /usr/bin/X11/xauth, if that's the right fix
[05:43] <daniels> the violent apoplectic spasms of rage /usr/bin/X11/xauth induces in me aren't much less violent than /usr/X11R6, I'm afriad
[05:43] <daniels> i'd like to cycle through /usr/bin/xauth, /usr/bin/X11/xauth, and /usr/X11R6/bin/xauth
[05:43] <daniels> ideally
[05:43] <Kamion> meh
[05:44] <Kamion> I'd rather fix it to look on $PATH than do that, I think
[05:44] <Kamion> assuming $PATH is sensible at the start of the session
[05:44] <elmo> Keybuk: universe is in needs-merged.txt now too
[05:44] <Keybuk> cool
[05:46] <Kamion> daniels: it's kind of awkward since you could get an x11-req message before login processing happens
[05:46] <pitti> mdz: Hi! if you have a minute, can you please review #3126?
[05:46] <pitti> mdz: again, s/if/when/
[05:47] <mdz> pitti: I do not think there is a vulnerability there
[05:47] <mdz> joeyh opened the same bug, and I closed it
[05:47] <mdz> the script runs with set -C
[05:47] <Kamion> I have C path-searching code in man-db that I could use, but it's a bit bulky; giving it a list for xauth_location might be less intrusive :-/
[05:48] <daniels> Kamion: ah
[05:48] <Kamion> daniels: when do you need this fixed by?
[05:48] <daniels> Kamion: ehm, grumpy
[05:48] <daniels> since it was decided that we weren't doing the whole modular thing for hoary
[05:48] <Kamion> oh :)
[05:48] <pitti> mdz: hmm, so this is a mere DoS problem then
[05:48] <Kamion> ok, well, I'll try not to forget anyway
[05:49] <mdz> pitti: I do not think there is even a significant DoS
[05:49] <pitti> mdz: the DoS part does not scare me
[05:49] <pitti> mdz: I just thought that the scripts were unsafe when runned in /tmp/
[05:51] <daniels> Kamion: so, tell me, is reformatting the entire sis section in discover1-data total crack?
[05:51] <daniels> Kamion: i'm thinking that the magic 8-ball says 'bongsipper' to retabbing the whole thing
[05:51] <lamont> bbiab
[05:53] <Kamion> daniels: tabs are significant there; what exactly do you mean?
[05:54] <daniels> Kamion: tabbing it all out to be a consistent width
[05:54] <Kamion> daniels: actually, I *think* only the first four tab characters are significant, but I'd still be inclined to leave it alone
[05:54] <daniels> Kamion: 'kay
[05:54] <thom> what are .gmo files, and can i treat them with the contempt they seem due and blow them away in a clean target?
[05:54] <Kamion>   if(line[0]  == '\t'){
[05:54] <Kamion>     sscanf(line, "%08lx\t%12s\t%32s\t%256[^\n] \n",
[05:55] <Kamion> thom: compiled .po files; you can blow them away
[05:56] <elmo> thom: I do
[05:57] <thom> thanks
[06:06] <daniels> hoary has firefox 1.0RC?
[06:07] <thom> mozilla-firefox | 0.99+1.0RC1-2 |         hoary | source, i386
[06:08] <fabbione> elmo: thanks for fixing yellow :-)
[06:08] <elmo> fabbione: libglide2-dev doesn't exist?
[06:08] <mdz> thom: yay
[06:10] <elmo> thom: err, didn't that, like trash all our branding?
[06:10] <mdz> libglide2-dev | 2002.04.10-8ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[06:10] <elmo> mdz: for amd64 :P
[06:10] <elmo> actually, fabbione probably ran dpkg-checkbuilddeps in the old (i386) chroot, which would explain it, so nm
[06:10] <mdz> Filename: pool/main/g/glide/libglide2-dev_2002.04.10-8ubuntu1_i386.deb
[06:11] <thom> elmo: yes. there is method to my madness tho
[06:11] <thom> don't worry :-)
[06:11] <fabbione> elmo: it's ok..
[06:11] <elmo> okay, that needs-merged.txt is updated whenever new packages are installed now too
[06:11] <fabbione> elmo: no i used dpkg-buildpackage in the chroot
[06:12] <elmo> fabbione: dpkg-buildpackage calls dpkg-checkbuilddeps ..
[06:13] <fabbione> anyway.. dpkg-buildpackage was happy with what you did :-)
[06:14] <elmo> k
[06:24] <Kamion> cjwatson@rookery:~/public_html/seeds$ tla register-archive https://chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com/~cjwatson/ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[06:24] <Kamion> unable to access URL: /~cjwatson/ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/.listing
[06:24] <Kamion> I'm confused, that shouldn't be a 302
[06:24] <Kamion> webdav error: 302 Found
[06:27] <daniels> elmo: lolz syck 0.42-5 tia
[06:27] <daniels> Kamion: it shouldn't be going for a .listing unless webdav is broken
[06:28] <Kamion> bleh, it isn't doing https properly
[06:28] <Kamion> how'm I supposed to cron this?
[06:29] <Kamion> I'm not giving rookery unfettered access to chinstrap, and I don't want the public copy to be behind a passworded apache
[06:29] <Kamion> daniels: I deliberately set up a .listing just in case, that's not really the problem
[06:30] <thom> bleh, you should probably use baz
[06:30] <Kamion> happy to, but it's not on rookery
[06:30] <daniels> elmo: xosd 2.2.11-3
[06:31] <thom> i don't think we ever fixed the tla in warty to talk https
[06:31] <Kamion> nor chinstrap, for that matter
[06:31] <daniels> elmo: (please)
[06:31] <Kamion> fuck it, I'll rsync the archive to rookery using a restricted ssh key
[06:32] <daniels> Kamion: oh, I know why it might be
[06:32] <Mitario> hey everyone
[06:33] <mvo_> hi Mitario 
[06:33] <mvo_> I uploaded the upgrade-notifier in the archive today :)
[06:33] <Mitario> cool! :)
[06:33] <Kamion> daniels: it's ignoring https: and trying to talk to port 80, so it gets a redirect
[06:33] <Mitario> with cronjob?
[06:33] <mvo_> without, mdz suggest to put it into the apt package itself
[06:34] <Mitario> yeah, good point
[06:34] <mvo_> but we'll have to make it a configurable item first
[06:34] <mvo_> not everyone wants a cronjob
[06:35] <mvo_> I need to do some shoping, will be back in ~30min-1h
[06:35] <Mitario> ok
[06:35] <pitti> mdz: can you please review #2771 at some time? TIA
[06:36] <daniels> Kamion: ah
[06:36] <Mitario> brb, food
[06:38] <mdz> pitti: so many bugs :-(
[06:39] <pitti> mdz: in fact we only need to fix a few of the original list of the trustix patch
[06:39] <mdz> pitti: is there no official patch upstream yet?
[06:39] <mdz> pitti: it might be worthwhile to mail bod or upstream
[06:40] <pitti> mdz: I just looked into the "cvs" (they have a slightly different thing there)
[06:40] <pitti> mdz: apparently they fixed stuff, but they rewrote half of the code
[06:40] <pitti> mdz: and upstream uses a very odd method to generate a valid tmpname, and there is still a race condition
[06:41] <mdz> pitti: I see no problems with your patch; I assume you ran the test suite to test it?
[06:41] <pitti> mdz: of course
[06:41] <pitti> mdz: it is automatically done during the build, BTW
[06:41] <pitti> mdz: I also ran the affected programs manually
[06:42] <mdz> pitti: none of the code is installed, correct?
[06:42] <mdz> it is only tests?
[06:42] <pitti> mdz: the *.t files are not installed
[06:42] <mdz> oh, some of it is
[06:42] <mdz> ExtUtils and Devel
[06:42] <pitti> mdz: but the other files are
[06:43] <Kamion> elmo/thom: could I have gpg on rookery?
[06:43] <pitti> mdz: that's why I rewrote PPPort.pm
[06:43] <Kamion> (for archive signature checks on the tla get I'm about to do)
[06:43] <pitti> mdz: there, a simple tmp$$ in the current directory is inappropriate
[06:44] <pitti> mdz: instmodsh is also installed, but it got a proper tmpfile handling, too
[06:45] <pitti> mdz: okay, I uploaded the thing and will process it when it built
[06:54] <daniels> elmo: can you please sync gnutls10 1.0.4-8?
[06:56] <Kamion> ok: tla register-archive sftp://chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com/home/warthogs/archives/ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[06:56] <Kamion> tla get ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/seeds--hoary--0
[06:57] <Kamion> it's a signed archive, so before committing to it please make sure you have 'gpg --clearsign' or similar in ~/.arch-params/signing/=default
[06:58] <Kamion> updates mirrored to http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/ with a maximum lag of about 17 minutes
[07:02] <mdz> Kamion: thanks
[07:04] <zul> anyone working on a sparc port? :)
[07:06] <Kamion> I'll mail that stuff to the list once germinate works on it
[07:08] <mdz> zul: some people have expressed interest, including fabbione I believe
[07:09] <fabbione> yes
[07:09] <fabbione> i am still waiting to get my sparc back
[07:09] <zul> cool..what does one have to do to get started?
[07:09] <fabbione> i am seriously fedup
[07:09] <fabbione> zul: mail lamont :-)
[07:09] <fabbione> ;)
[07:10] <zul> heh
[07:15] <Kamion> elmo: you're not running germinate against sid any more, are you?
[07:16] <Kamion> actually, never mind, will do it a different way
[07:24] <elmo> daniels: done
[07:24] <elmo> Kamion: done
[07:24] <daniels> elmo: thanks dude
[07:26] <Kamion> ta
[07:33] <elmo> pitti: your perl upload has a bogus version number
[07:33] <pitti> elmo: argh; I'll fix it
[07:35] <pitti> elmo: can the packages be removed from the queue?
[07:35] <Kamion> what was that CONFIG_PCI_MSI change purported to fix?
[07:37] <elmo> pitti: ugh - yes, with a lot of manual hacking
[07:37] <pitti> elmo: I'm sorry for that
[07:37] <pitti> elmo: it isn't sufficient to remove the package from accepted/?
[07:37] <pitti> elmo: problem is, that 2ubuntu0.1 is smaller than 2.1
[07:39] <pitti> elmo: I can also call the next upload -2.1ubuntu0.1; also ugly, but maybe easier
[07:41] <elmo> pitti: doesn't matter, I've done it now
[07:41] <pitti> elmo: thanks a lot!
[07:42] <Kamion> germinate mainline now has a -s/--seed-dist option that you can use to pick a different seed
[07:42] <Kamion> you'll likely want to use -s hoary -d hoary (i.e. get both seeds and Packages/Sources files from hoary)
[07:52] <elmo> Out-of-date BUT modified:  54 (5.16%)
[07:52] <elmo> Out-of-date BUT modified: 131 (1.48%) <-- main+universe ^--- just main
[07:53] <mdz> hmm
[07:54] <mdz> only 18 bugs remaining, I guess there have been quite a few debian changes
[07:58] <Kamion> fabbione: may be incoming call for you/daniels from sabdfl about some weird X configuration thing he's battling with
[07:59] <Keybuk> isn't he supposed to be on a plane at the moment?
[07:59] <Kamion> fabbione: do we still need germinate support for your IPv6 dump thing? I'm thinking that if it's still needed it might be better to split it out into a separate tool
[08:00] <Kamion> Keybuk: didn't sound like it when he called me a few minutes ago while doing an installation :)
[08:00] <Kamion> unless he's got the ultra-first-class plane seat with lots of computers scattered around him
[08:06] <fabbione> Kamion: i am on the phone with him right now
[08:06] <fabbione> Kamion: thanks :-)
[08:14] <Kamion> daniels: ugh, syslinux/amd64 failed, guess I'll have to poke at that here
[08:14] <Mithrandir> failed to merge, failed to build or failed to work?
[08:15] <Kamion> build
[08:15] <Kamion> bugger, I'm late
[08:17] <Mithrandir> argh, my dsl is either dead or on a different IP.
[08:17] <thom> suckage either way
[08:18] <Mithrandir> thom: could I get nasm and netpbm in the hoary chroot on yellow?
[08:19] <thom> amd64 or i386, or both?
[08:20] <Mithrandir> it only has hoary-amd64
[08:20] <thom> ah, right
[08:20] <thom> easy answer then ;-)
[08:20] <carlos> could anyone suggest me a warty/hoary package with .po files to translate the debian package templates?
[08:21] <thom> apache
[08:21] <Mithrandir> mailman
[08:21] <carlos> ok, thanks
[08:21] <mdz> seb128: where do these eggdesktop messages come from?
[08:21] <seb128> which ones ?
[08:22] <mdz> seb128: the ones seen during postinst with some packages in hoary
[08:22] <seb128> oh, update-desktop-database
[08:22] <mdz> seb128: have you looked for the cause?
[08:23] <seb128> probably the mplayer .desktop, I don't have it installed but according to some users it has 4 [Desktop Entry]  entries
[08:24] <mdz> ah
[08:24] <mdz> yeah, just looked at strace
[08:24] <mdz> removing mplayer.desktop fixes it
[08:24] <seb128> ok, that's it
[08:24] <mdz> it also complains about gftp, but in a much nicer way :-)
[08:24] <mdz> Could not parse file '/usr/share/applications/gftp.desktop': desktop entry contain line 'Desktop Entry] ' which is not an entry, group, or comment
[08:25] <seb128> I'll take care of the gftp problem
[08:25] <seb128> anybody has planned a mplayer update and want to fix this one ? :)
[08:25] <mdz> seb128: is it simply malformed?
[08:25] <thom> Mithrandir: done
[08:25] <seb128> I've not looked on the source, so not sure if it's generated or fix
[08:26] <seb128> but basically it should get only one [Desktop Entry]  
[08:26] <mdz> so it should be split into several .desktop files?
[08:26] <seb128> yes
[08:26] <seb128> I'm downloading the source
[08:26] <seb128> just to be sure
[08:26] <Mithrandir> Kamion: weird, builds fine now.
[08:27] <mdz> seb128: actually I have no idea what it is doing
[08:27] <mdz> seb128: it seems to have several copies of exactly the same [Desktop Entry] 
[08:27] <Mithrandir> thom: uhm, please run apt-get update in the chroot as well?
[08:27] <seb128> mplayer is crap, that's not new :p
[08:27] <seb128> (still downloading
[08:27] <mdz> true
[08:27] <seb128> )
[08:28] <seb128> hum, ./etc/mplayer.desktop is fine, ./debian/mplayer.desktop is fucked
[08:29] <seb128> I blame Marillat
[08:29] <thom> Mithrandir: i did
[08:30] <Mithrandir> thom: you did indeed, thanks.
[08:31] <Mithrandir> thom: but you ran that after installing the build-deps, I think, as mingw32 is missing
[08:31] <thom> nope
[08:32] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@yellow(hoary-chroot) ~/syslinux/syslinux-2.11 $ dpkg-checkbuilddeps 
[08:32] <Mithrandir> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: mingw32
[08:32] <thom> uh, you just asked for nasm and netpbm, dude
[08:33] <thom> i've now got the build-deps installed ;-)
[08:33] <seb128> mdz: dunno why Marillat duplicated the same stuff several time. I'm going to upload a package with only one entry that should be fine
[08:33] <mdz> seb128: sounds good
[08:33] <Mithrandir> thom: ok, I'm silly then.  Please, mingw32 as well, with sugar, sans chocolate, with tea on top?
[08:33] <thom> heh :-) done already
[08:34] <Mithrandir> thanks :)
[08:34] <Mithrandir> why do we need syslinux, btw?  Is it used for the cds?
[08:37] <mdz> Mithrandir: yes, for isolinux
[08:37] <mdz> though perhaps we should consider moving to grub
[08:37] <Mithrandir> we should just use grub, at least on amd64
[08:53] <mdz> grub wouldn't boot the morphix CD on my old laptop
[08:53] <mdz> but it booted a Debian CD with isolinux fine
[08:53] <Mithrandir> was that an amd64 box? :)
[08:53] <mdz> no, i386
[08:54] <Mithrandir> yeah, i386 is full of quirks, amd64 should be a lot better, so I was suggesting just to change for amd64, not i386.
[08:55] <winkle> seb128: missing python-gtk2-doc, any plans to include it?
[08:56] <Mithrandir> and memdisk doesn't compile and there's _no_ way it could be compiled on i386 either.
[08:56] <seb128> python-gtk2-doc:
[08:56] <seb128>   Installs: (aucun)
[08:56] <seb128>   Candidat: 2.4.10-2ubuntu1
[08:56] <seb128>  Table de version:
[08:56] <seb128>      2.4.10-2ubuntu1 0
[08:56] <seb128>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Packages
[08:56] <seb128> winkle: not missing
[08:57] <winkle> sorry, lacked multiverse
[08:57] <seb128> np
[08:57] <seb128> but dunno why it's here
[08:57] <seb128> it should be in main
[08:57] <winkle> yeah
[08:57] <seb128> I've added it to the seed before the warty release IIRC
[09:17] <jdub> "Ubuntu is great only thing missing is encrypted IM."
[09:17] <jdub> only thing missing, dudes
[09:17] <jdub> we have our hoary work cut out
[09:19] <seb128> jdub: !!
[09:23] <jdub> hey seb128 
[09:24] <seb128> jdub: evo 2.1.0 will take a few days
[09:24] <seb128> they changed all the libs names in e-d-s, so we have to renamed all the binary packages
[09:25] <jdub> oof
[09:25] <jdub> for us, that'll be two transitions in a week or so ;)
[09:25] <seb128> and  it would be better to have the same name in debian/ubuntu ... so I've mailed kitame with a summary of the renaming
[09:25] <seb128> I'm waiting to know if he's ok with that
[09:39] <thom> holy crap. someone just used KDE and simplicity in the same sentence
[09:44] <Mithrandir> two points to whoever sees what's wrong:
[09:44] <Mithrandir>         $(LD) -nostdlib $(LDFLAGS) $(CFLAGS_ARCHDEP) -Wl,-Ttext,0 -o $@ $^
[09:48] <Kamion> Mithrandir: hm, I don't see CFLAGS_ARCHDEP and ASFLAGS_ARCHDEP actually being passed from debian/rules to the Makefile
[09:49] <Mithrandir> Kamion: they're not, but this sticks a fair bit deeper than that.
[09:49] <Kamion> I don't think so?
[09:49] <Mithrandir> the debian package builds, though, but clean is FUBAR.
[09:49] <Kamion> -               $(MAKE) CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS)" CFLAGS_ARCHDEP="$(CFLAGS_ARCHDEP)" ASFLAGS_ARCHDEP="$(ASFLAGS_ARCHDEP)" LDFLAGS="$(LDFLAGS)" VERSION="$(VERSION)" DATE="(Debian, $(DATE))"
[09:49] <Mithrandir> remember, we've broken gcc-3.3's 32 bit support
[09:49] <Kamion> +###            $(MAKE) CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS)" CFLAGS_ARCHDEP="$(CFLAGS_ARCHDEP)" ASFLAGS_ARCHDEP="$(ASFLAGS_ARCHDEP)" LDFLAGS="$(LDFLAGS)" VERSION="$(VERSION)" DATE="(Debian, $(DATE))"
[09:50] <Kamion> +               $(MAKE) VERSION="$(VERSION)" DATE="(Debian, $(DATE))"
[09:50] <Kamion> that's from the syslinux 2.04-2ubuntu1 -> 2.11-0.1ubuntu1 diff
[10:16] <mvo_> ping doko
[10:18] <Kamion> elmo: might want to pull mingw32 and deps in from universe for syslinux?
[10:20] <Mithrandir> Kamion: are you whacking the package or should I?
[10:24] <Kamion> Mithrandir: is it more than just adding CFLAGS_ARCHDEP and ASFLAGS_ARCHDEP? I can do that now, just pulling in build-deps
[10:24] <sivang> lamont : are you a fireman ?
[10:25] <Kamion> Mithrandir: ... on the other hand I have a thumping headache. Go ahead.
[10:25] <lamont> sivang: yes
[10:25] <Mithrandir> Kamion: I'll do it, it's a bit more, since the version in Debian is borken atm.
[10:26] <lamont> sivang: although this time, all we did was stand around with 3-dozen or so law enforcement types until they were done..
[10:26] <lamont> 1 dead, 3 in custody, or something like that
[10:26] <Kamion> Mithrandir: mkay, thanks
[10:30] <Kamion> well, it *builds* for me with those two additions anyway, I'll leave making it work up to you
[10:32] <Mithrandir> Kamion: on amd64?
[10:33] <Kamion> yep
[10:33] <Kamion> you're working off the merged version in hoary?
[10:34] <Mithrandir> yes
[10:34] <Kamion> -               $(MAKE) VERSION="$(VERSION)" DATE="(Debian, $(DATE))"
[10:34] <Kamion> +               $(MAKE) CFLAGS_ARCHDEP="$(CFLAGS_ARCHDEP)" ASFLAGS_ARCHDEP="$(ASFLAGS_ARCHDEP)" VERSION="$(VERSION)" DATE="(Debian, $(DATE))"
[10:34] <Kamion> that's all I did
[10:34] <Mithrandir> ok
[10:40] <Mithrandir> Kamion: hm, it builds now, yes.  I need to test it at home, though.
[10:50] <Mitario> nite all
[10:51] <sivang> night
[11:01] <mdz> seb128: hmm, dist-upgrade in hoary removes trashapplet? was it merged into gnome-applets or something?
[11:01] <Craigory> Hello, I just read the Ubuntu review here: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8754
[11:01] <Craigory> One complaint they had was with the difficulty in editing the gnome applications menu.
[11:01] <seb128> mdz: yes, gnome-applets 2.9.1 conflitcs/provides/replaces it
[11:02] <mdz> seb128: ah, neat
[11:02] <Craigory> I think it might be a good idea to add an entry in applications:/// called "Edit Menu" or some such.  That's what I have done on my installation.
[11:02] <Craigory> Or perhaps in the "Computer" menu.
[11:09] <jdub> Craigory: menu editing is largely broken, so keeping it out of the public eye is healthy for the time being
[11:10] <mdz> jdub: everything should be syncing from sid automagically unless it's modified
[11:11] <jdub> hrm, maybe it hasn't got past NEW in debian yet
[11:13] <seb128> it was in incoming today
[11:13] <seb128> you're speaking agout gst-python, right ?
[11:13] <jdub> yeah
[11:14] <seb128> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gst-python/
[11:14] <seb128> it's here
[11:14] <jdub> rad
[11:15] <seb128> are we going to sync openoffice 1.1.3 from experimental ?
[11:15] <seb128> the new package has the gnomevfs support :)
[11:15] <jdub> rad
[11:15] <jdub> filechooser?
[11:15] <seb128> not tested yet, but:
[11:15] <seb128>    * New major patches:
[11:15] <seb128>      - vfs-*: GNOME VFS Support [MM] 
[11:15] <seb128>        [ This means we now have integrated all of the major Ximian
[11:15] <seb128>          patches and thefore this closes: #201494 ] 
[11:15] <seb128> so probably
[11:16] <seb128> hum
[11:16] <seb128>   * New packages: [RE] 
[11:16] <seb128>      - openoffice.org-gtk-gnome: Gtk UI Plugin and GNOME File Picker for
[11:16] <seb128>                                  OpenOffice.org
[11:16] <seb128>      - openoffice.org-gnomevfs: GNOME VFS support for OpenOffice.org
[11:16] <seb128>      - openoffice.org-evolution: Evolution Adressbook support for
[11:16] <seb128>        OpenOffice.org
[11:16] <seb128> 
[11:16] <seb128> nice nice nice :)
[11:17] <jdub> elite
[11:24] <jdub> mdz: linux-source you just upped to hoary -> worth a warty-update?
[11:24] <jdub> seb128: hahaha, dude
[11:24] <jdub> seb128: the 'install samba' and 'install ntp' buttons ROCK
[11:24] <seb128> yeah :)
[11:24] <jdub> seb128: although the time/date thingy doesn't really handle ntp being installed underneath it very well ;)
[11:27] <seb128> yeah, need some improvements :/
[11:28] <jdub> but it is cool!
[11:28] <jdub> uh oh
[11:28] <jdub> oh
[11:28] <jdub> never mind
[11:29] <jdub> seb128: i think s/SMB/Windows Networking/ in the dialogue would make sense
[11:29] <lamont> jbailey: glibc build this time (2.3.2-18ubuntu1)
[11:29] <jbailey> lamont: Still seing the failure?
[11:29] <seb128> jdub: hum, probably yes
[11:29] <seb128> hey jbailey !
[11:29] <lamont> jbailey: not with this one
[11:29] <jbailey> Heya sb!
[11:29] <jdub> seb128: heh, all the g-s-t tools crash on close for me - same there?
[11:29] <jdub> yo jbailey!
[11:30] <jbailey> lamont: Hmm.  Strange.  It was never consistant for me, but I haven't seen it in a while.  There shouldn't be anything between -13 and -18 to change that though.
[11:30] <jbailey> jdub: Namesake!
[11:30] <seb128> jdub: yes, and also in the bugzilla
[11:30] <jdub> seb128: rock
[11:31] <lamont> seb128: are you working through the gnutls1[01]  change?
[11:31] <seb128> lamont: that's on my list yes
[11:32] <lamont> ok
[11:32] <seb128> but doing the evolution 2.1.0 stack for the moment :)
[11:33] <elmo> kamion: gar.  we really have to pull in mingw32?
[11:33] <mojo_> hi all ppl
[11:33] <Kamion> elmo: dunno the rationale
[11:33] <Kamion> Mithrandir: ^-- ?
[11:33] <mojo_> can someone look at the /etcS.d/S50hwclock.sh please?
[11:34] <mojo_> it found some weird syntax error there
[11:34] <mojo_> /etc/rcS.d/S50hwclock.sh please?
[11:35] <mojo_> /etc/rcS.d/S50hwclock.sh: line 118: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[11:35] <mojo_> /etc/rcS.d/S50hwclock.sh: line 118: `           log_success_msg "start sets kernel (system) clock from hardware (RTC) clock" >&2'
[11:35] <Kamion> ok, will do
[11:35] <pitti> mojo_: indeed...
[11:36] <pitti> mojo_: the error is on line 96, an unterminated string
[11:36] <pitti> aaaaaaargh!
[11:37] <Kamion> pitti: you on it already, or shall I fix?
[11:37] <pitti> mojo_: thanks for this! 
[11:37] <pitti> Kamion: I just fixed it inline in my system, but I don't yet have the package
[11:37] <pitti> so go ahead if you have it
[11:37] <pitti> Kamion: I guess the pretty and quiet init scripts don't only have advantages...
[11:39] <mojo_> so u fix it pitti?
[11:39] <mojo_> and upload it
[11:39] <Kamion> mojo_: I'm doing it now
[11:39] <Kamion> (unless lamont beats me to it, since he's more the maintainer than I am :))
[11:39] <mojo_> hehe
[11:40] <Kamion> uploaded
[11:40] <mojo_> cool
[11:40] <mojo_> things get buggy these day heh?
[11:40] <mojo_> but I love buggy stuff
[11:40] <Kamion> merges are like that sometimes, they're a very complex business and quite error-prone
[11:40] <jdub> o/~ that's what hoary's for... in good times, and bad times, i'll be filing bugs for evermore... that's what hoary's for... o/~
[11:41] <mojo_> hehe
[11:41] <mojo_> coding is a bit spiky like Hedgehog
[11:41] <lamont> Kamion: just hoary, or is it a debian bug too?
[11:41] <Kamion> just hoary
[11:41] <Kamion> I checked :)
[11:41] <lamont> cool
[11:41] <Kamion> it's in the pretty-init-script stuff
[11:42] <Kamion> sorry to preempt, seemed urgent
[11:42] <Kamion> then again, I always did like preemptive bridge bids :)
[11:43] <mojo_> lamont, kamion: closed this bug on bugzilla too
[11:43] <lamont> Kamion: np
[11:44] <mojo_> who is the maintainer of evolution?
[11:44] <mojo_> bob2?
[11:44] <mdz> Kamion: if you fixed hwclock, there's a bug in bugzilla open about it which should be closed, if you haven't already
[11:45] <seb128> mojo_: I'm doing the evolution uploads, why ?
[11:45] <Kamion> mdz: done
[11:45] <mojo_> seb128: something wrong with the 2.02
[11:45] <seb128> what ?
[11:45] <mdz> Kamion: another one just came in (#3179)
[11:45] <mojo_> seb128: run it, it works,
[11:45] <seb128> ?
[11:45] <Kamion> mojo_: this sort of thing tends to be better done through the BTS than by finding the maintainer on IRC ...
[11:45] <mojo_> seb128: then it breaks whole my apt/source.list
[11:46] <mdz> lamont: what happened with that bug?
[11:46] <mojo_> seb128: I dun have such prob with Debian 'sid'
[11:46] <seb128> mojo_: evolution breaks your sources.list ?
[11:46] <seb128> are you sure that's evolution ?
[11:46] <mojo_> seb128: yeah, so weird!!!
[11:47] <mojo_> seb128: yeah, I tested many times but can't find the answer, I think u put something wrong in the package
[11:47] <seb128> why do you say that's evolution ?
[11:47] <lamont> mdz: ECONTEXT?
[11:47] <Kamion> mojo_: don't file random bugs against base-config in future, though, please :-)
[11:47] <seb128> mojo_: the current package is the debian one
[11:47] <mojo_> seb128: cause whenever I run it, it breaks
[11:47] <mojo_> seb128: weird!!
[11:47] <mdz> lamont: hwclock syntax error, came in Sunday
[11:48] <lamont> mdz: I think that's the one that kamion just uploaded the fix for
[11:48] <seb128> mojo_: what is changed in the sources.list ?
[11:48] <mdz> lamont: yes, it is
[11:48] <mojo_> seb128: maybe I was wrong, but I am sure that evolution stops and freezes sometimes at wizard choosing time zone
[11:48] <lamont> mdz: and the question is how did it get there?
[11:48] <mojo_> seb128: all the text been deleted
[11:48] <lamont> merge screwup, I expect.
[11:48] <mdz> lamont: no, the question was why it didn't get the trivial fix sooner
[11:49] <mojo_> seb128: btw, I leave this for u, hope u find some answer for it
[11:49] <lamont> mdz: good question - was dealing with merges of other packages yesterday, and it got lost in the pile of bugs, I expect.
[11:49] <seb128> mojo_: yes, the freeze bug has been reported 
[11:50] <mojo_> are ppl reconsidering to have a deb for Helix Player in Hoary?
[11:51] <lamont> mdz: house guest this week is also messing a bit with productivity, to be followed next 2 weeks with me being elsewhere and able to focus better.
[11:51] <Kamion> mdz: so, anything obvious that I should be adding to the hoary seeds straight away?
[11:51] <elmo> kamion: the stuff you had me add
[11:52] <elmo> preseed
[11:52] <Kamion> elmo: most of that was dependencies?
[11:52] <Kamion> oh, ok
[11:52] <elmo> grepmap
[11:52] <mdz> libglide
[11:52] <mdz> fam->gamin
[11:52] <mdz> esd->polypaudio
[11:52] <mdz> lm-sensors
[11:52] <mdz> bluetooth
[11:52] <mdz> that's what I have on my list
[11:52] <mdz> some of those need elaboration and discussion, though
[11:52] <elmo>    o upgrade-notifier
[11:52] <seb128> jdub: running evo 2.1.0 now :) I'll try to get a reply from Kitame tomorrow and then upload the new evo stack :)
[11:52] <mdz> jdub: are we clear for fam->gamin and esd->polypaudio?
[11:52] <jdub> mdz: clear for gamin, not clear for polypaudio
[11:53] <jdub> seb128: rawk :)
[11:53] <mdz> Kamion: go ahead with s/fam/gamin/ if you're editing; that's been discussed already
[11:53] <seb128> big fight for polypaudio
[11:53] <elmo> seb128: can you fix evo1.5 while you're there; as in kill it?
[11:53] <elmo> kamion: download-installer too
[11:53] <mdz> fabbione: which libglide package do we want in desktop?
[11:53] <elmo> kamion: and ssh
[11:54] <seb128> elmo: the 1.5 have been removed with the merges, haven't they ?
[11:54] <elmo> seb128: hmm, yeah, it ought to have been killed as cruft, it's not built from source - sorry
[11:55] <mdz> elmo: do you remember the outcome of the archive key management discussion we had a while back?
[11:55] <seb128> elmo: ok, np
[11:55] <lamont> mdz: fwiw, 3105 showed up on my doorstep this morning about 10 AM
[11:55] <mdz> having that stuff straightened out is the only prerequisite for getting apt 0.6 into hoary
[11:55] <elmo> mdz: which one - we've had at least 3 or 4 :/
[11:55] <mdz> lamont: it came in before 0400 2004-11-01, so 10-31 your time
[11:56] <Kamion> file-preseed, network-preseed, download-installer added; s/fam/gamin/ done
[11:56] <mdz> lamont: mail problems?
[11:56] <seb128> jdub: good time to switch epiphany from mozilla to firefox I guess ? :)
[11:56] <thom> seb128: you so should do that now
[11:57] <lamont> mdz: sorry - wrong mail message.
[11:57] <Kamion> s/openssh-server/ssh/ done
[11:57] <seb128> thom: ok, let's go for it :)
[11:57] <thom> you need anything from firefox?
[11:57] <lamont> original report arrived monday 08:09 AM
[11:57] <elmo> thom: this is the method? :P
[11:57] <lamont> anyway, back in a biut
[11:57] <Kamion> mdz: where do lm-sensors and bluetooth need to go?
[11:58] <thom> elmo: eh? 
[11:58] <elmo> in your madness...
[11:58] <thom> oh, right
[11:58] <thom> heh
[11:58] <seb128> thom: no, that's fine, just need to switch a build flag for epiphany
[11:58] <thom> multi-hour comments don't work too well for me right now, too tired :/
[11:59] <jdub> thom: how'd ff theme and stuff go?
[11:59] <elmo> gar, I wish sh had a -x flag that showed redirections too
[11:59] <thom> jdub: still working on it; forms worked no problems, themes need more love
[11:59] <Kamion> does -v help?
[11:59] <Kamion> might need to use -vx which is super-noisy
[12:00] <jdub> thom: cool, hard to get additional theme into the package and set as default, or...?