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| mdz | Keybuk: I received an SMS from a number that I don't recognize saying that they won't be able to make the tech board meeting due to being on a plane | 04:53 |
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| Keybuk | what's the country code? | 04:55 |
| mdz | Keybuk: so shall we do this, or punt to the next meeting? | 04:59 |
| mdz | this isn't necessarily tech board stuff, I suppose, but we do need to talk about it | 05:00 |
| Keybuk | we can have a chat about it, sure | 05:00 |
| Keybuk | only the one thing on the agenda? | 05:00 |
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| mdz | yep | 05:00 |
| Keybuk | suppose we better grab a couple of people | 05:01 |
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| Keybuk | I can sense this is going to be of record length | 05:02 |
| daniels | Keybuk: er, no, hoary kickoff meeting | 05:03 |
| mdz | elmo: the only thing we need to discuss is how to manage the ongoing merges of new packages from Debian | 05:03 |
| Keybuk | daniels: what was last week, dude | 05:03 |
| thom | daniels: the other direction | 05:03 |
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| elmo | mdz: ? | 05:04 |
| mdz | elmo: Debian, big place with lots of packages | 05:04 |
| elmo | mdz: ? | 05:04 |
| mdz | elmo: ... | 05:05 |
| thom | *giggle* | 05:05 |
| mdz | Keybuk: so anyway, what kind of shape are the tools in for use on an ongoing basis? | 05:05 |
| daniels | elmo: | 05:05 |
| Keybuk | ok | 05:05 |
| Keybuk | well, as I understand things | 05:05 |
| Keybuk | packages we haven't modified, elmo's magic will pull from Debian | 05:05 |
| mdz | Keybuk: is it feasible to automate at least the generation of the best-effort merges, and file bugs for their review? | 05:05 |
| Keybuk | yeah, I think so | 05:06 |
| Keybuk | if he can flag that a package we've modified has a new Debian version, my stuff can pull previous and current Debian, try to apply the diff to warty, and do it's dropped stuff | 05:06 |
| Keybuk | automating a bug filing ... I have no idea about ... I imagine it's doable though | 05:06 |
| mdz | Keybuk: there's a module in debzilla for filing bugs in bugzilla; it's dead easy | 05:07 |
| Keybuk | should we flag them all, or just the ones which the debian patch doesn't apply to? | 05:07 |
| mdz | based on the last round, i think at least an eyeball review is called for | 05:08 |
| mdz | and a test build | 05:08 |
| Keybuk | yeah, I tend to agree | 05:08 |
| Keybuk | there were a few where patch did odd things | 05:08 |
| mdz | though, these are much smaller | 05:08 |
| elmo | Keybuk: how do you want me to flag that to you? | 05:08 |
| mdz | the ones where it did truly odd things seemed to cause build failures anyway, so they'd be caught | 05:08 |
| mdz | having elmo's stuff send notifications sounds hairy; maybe Keybuk's stuff should just pull a Sources file from Debian on its own | 05:09 |
| Keybuk | the main issue is that I'm running on rookery | 05:09 |
| elmo | mdz: I can ultra-trivially dump the lorraine output to a text file which keybuk can wget? | 05:09 |
| elmo | Keybuk: why's that an issue? | 05:09 |
| mdz | elmo: works for me | 05:10 |
| Keybuk | just a text file of source package names elmo thinks Debian have newer than warty would be ideal | 05:10 |
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| Kamion | sorry I'm late | 05:11 |
| mdz | Keybuk: as part of your output, can you include a debdiff from Hoary->the merged version? | 05:11 |
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| Keybuk | yeah, if elmo installs that on rookery <g> | 05:11 |
| mdz | good point | 05:11 |
| mdz | I've been nagging him for a week to put it on jackass :-P | 05:12 |
| elmo | err, you so haven't | 05:12 |
| elmo | anyway, it's on rookery | 05:12 |
| mdz | Oct 29 12:41:07 <mdz> elmo: debdiff on jackass, please? | 05:12 |
| Keybuk | would you prefer debdiff from base -> {old hoary, new hoary} as well? instead of just ordinary patch? | 05:13 |
| elmo | mdz: ... one IRC message [that I missed] is nagging for a week? | 05:13 |
| mdz | elmo: I could dig up more :-) | 05:13 |
| mdz | Oct 26 15:25:44 <mdz> could I get debdiff+interdiff on jackass? | 05:13 |
| Keybuk | mdz: so, this debzilla thing, what's that? | 05:14 |
| mdz | Keybuk: that's the thing which creates bugs in bugzilla based on debbugs bugs | 05:14 |
| elmo | do you want just main, or main +universe? | 05:14 |
| mdz | Keybuk: matt.zimmerman@canonical.com--2004/debzilla--mainline--0 | 05:15 |
| mdz | elmo: ideally both, but filterable | 05:16 |
| mdz | e.g., mark them as main or not in the text file | 05:16 |
| mdz | so we could generate the output for universe, but not file bugs | 05:16 |
| elmo | ok | 05:17 |
| mdz | Keybuk: work for you? | 05:17 |
| Keybuk | yup | 05:18 |
| mdz | Keybuk: yeah, base->new hoary is good too | 05:19 |
| mdz | I'm hoping those will be small and easily reviewable | 05:19 |
| Kamion | has the problem that we often don't have the right base been fixed? | 05:19 |
| Keybuk | yeah, hopefully | 05:19 |
| Kamion | that bit me with a lot of the last round of merges | 05:19 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: theoretically it's seen the right base now :p | 05:19 |
| Keybuk | but yeah, I'll write some code to string ubuntu* and look on snapshot for that | 05:20 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: certainly won't've done for some of the ones I'm doing | 05:20 |
| Kamion | ok | 05:20 |
| Keybuk | string? strip! | 05:20 |
| Keybuk | that's actually easy ... the only reason I didn't do it before is because I'm fallible and didn't think of that <g> | 05:20 |
| elmo | keybuk: jackass/lorraine/needs-merged.txt | 05:20 |
| elmo | missing universe atm. but is that okay? | 05:20 |
| Keybuk | cool | 05:21 |
| Keybuk | yup | 05:21 |
| Keybuk | I assume it'll be s/main/universe/ :p | 05:21 |
| elmo | for universe ones, yes | 05:21 |
| elmo | it's "%s %s" % (pkg, component) | 05:22 |
| mdz | so I guess we'll find out in the course of doing this, how much manual work it will truly be | 05:22 |
| mdz | I think it will be fairly reasonable | 05:23 |
| mdz | but hopefully just enough to provide the necessary incentives to push our changes upstream :-) | 05:23 |
| mdz | speaking of which, herbert's kernel-package stem patch needs to go upstream | 05:23 |
| Keybuk | what are we doing wrt to the current patches, btw? | 05:23 |
| Keybuk | have they all been pushed, or do we need to push some, etc. | 05:24 |
| mdz | we don't have those figures | 05:25 |
| Kamion | I've been going over d-i stuff as I upload the merges, pushing upstream as appropriate | 05:25 |
| mdz | of course we do have a fair volume of stuff that upstream isn't going to want | 05:26 |
| mdz | maybe after hoary when we have better tools, we can do a comprehensive review and make sure that everything has been submitted upstream | 05:26 |
| Kamion | indeed, by far the greatest volume of the d-i patches is branding | 05:27 |
| mdz | maybe we'll even have someplace to store that metadata :-P | 05:27 |
| mdz | and mark patches as should-go-upstream or not | 05:27 |
| mdz | anything else to discuss as part of the meeting? | 05:27 |
| Kamion | seeds? | 05:28 |
| mdz | good call | 05:28 |
| Keybuk | I'm going to finish brutalising hct's cli today ... will work on the continual merge thing tomorrow | 05:28 |
| Kamion | (viz., having some) | 05:28 |
| mdz | should we temporarily use some other repository for the master seed lists until the wiki is fixed? | 05:28 |
| Kamion | I'm happy with a world-writable text file on rookery, personally :-) | 05:28 |
| mdz | they could be part of germinate's source tree | 05:28 |
| Keybuk | we could always use the old wiki? | 05:28 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: that might be a plan | 05:28 |
| mdz | Keybuk: only if we can enable changes on a per-page basis | 05:29 |
| mdz | what about a group-writable arch archive? | 05:29 |
| Kamion | as long as we can get at it from {my dev boxes, little, jackass} that'd work | 05:30 |
| Kamion | I don't think it should be part of germinate's source tree | 05:30 |
| mdz | is the wiki really the best place for it long-term? | 05:31 |
| mdz | maybe when we were editing it every day, it was | 05:31 |
| mdz | we can keep proposals in the wiki, and move them into the official seeds by other means | 05:31 |
| mdz | needs a change history -> arch | 05:32 |
| elmo | the nice thing about the wiki is it was a http get for germinate | 05:32 |
| elmo | or anything else that wanted to fuck around with seeds | 05:33 |
| Kamion | elmo: we can do that with arch too | 05:33 |
| mdz | a tla get isn't much different, no? | 05:33 |
| Kamion | elmo: dump a checkout on rookery | 05:33 |
| mdz | can't tla dump a file for you in one step? | 05:33 |
| elmo | Kamion: yeah, true | 05:34 |
| mdz | even if not, a checkout isn't a big deal, I suppose | 05:34 |
| Kamion | fewer dependencies would be good, but I don't see a problem with having a cronned tla update on people/~cjwatson/seeds/ or whatever | 05:34 |
| mdz | I don't see a problem with germinate doing a tla get | 05:34 |
| Kamion | it's slow enough already :P | 05:34 |
| mdz | yeah, exactly :-) | 05:35 |
| mdz | what should we call the archive? | 05:35 |
| Kamion | and where should it go? do we want non-canonical staff to be able to write to it? | 05:35 |
| Kamion | (I assume the answer is "eventually, yes") | 05:36 |
| mdz | right | 05:36 |
| mdz | but it isn't a big deal if they can't quite yet | 05:36 |
| mdz | it's not something which changes often, and we can propagate things easily enough when there's a consensus | 05:36 |
| Kamion | so just chinstrap as before then, I guess | 05:36 |
| mdz | yeah | 05:36 |
| mdz | more a question of a personal archive vs. something else | 05:37 |
| mdz | Kamion: fine with me if you want to keep them in your archive next to germinate | 05:37 |
| Kamion | ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/seeds--warty--0 etc.? | 05:37 |
| Kamion | mdz: that's a bit technically awkward for group-writability, because my archive on chinstrap is only a mirror | 05:37 |
| Kamion | and y'all don't have logins on my home server | 05:38 |
| mdz | ah, separate then, I suppose | 05:38 |
| mdz | does anyone know if we have an official naming scheme for public archives from the arch guys? | 05:38 |
| Keybuk | we do for imports, yes | 05:38 |
| mdz | anything which we could apply here as well, for consistency? | 05:38 |
| Keybuk | <product>@arch.ubuntu.com[--<source>-<year>] /<source>--<branch>--<version> | 05:39 |
| Keybuk | Kamion's idea seemed sound to me | 05:39 |
| mdz | the ubuntu-devel one? | 05:39 |
| Keybuk | yeah | 05:39 |
| mdz | works for me | 05:40 |
| Kamion | if there are no objections, I can create that after the meeting, import warty's seeds, and tag them onto hoary | 05:40 |
| mdz | we can always change it if the arch secret police object | 05:40 |
| mdz | Kamion: sounds good | 05:40 |
| mdz | we have a bunch of seed changes to review and effect | 05:40 |
| mdz | I have a list from the kickoff meeting | 05:41 |
| mdz | and I believe there is stuff in the wiki for hoary | 05:41 |
| mdz | arything else to discuss? | 05:42 |
| Keybuk | not from me | 05:42 |
| mdz | ok, adjourned | 05:43 |
| mdz | thanks, guys | 05:44 |
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