=== sladen [paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === doko [doko@dsl-082-082-066-121.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === daniels [daniel@fooishbar.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mdz [~mdz@69-167-148-207.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Keybuk [scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:53] Keybuk: I received an SMS from a number that I don't recognize saying that they won't be able to make the tech board meeting due to being on a plane [04:55] what's the country code? [04:59] Keybuk: so shall we do this, or punt to the next meeting? [05:00] this isn't necessarily tech board stuff, I suppose, but we do need to talk about it [05:00] we can have a chat about it, sure [05:00] only the one thing on the agenda? === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:mdz] : Something which will pass for a tech board meeting [05:00] yep [05:01] suppose we better grab a couple of people === elmo [~james@83.216.141.215] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:02] I can sense this is going to be of record length [05:03] Keybuk: er, no, hoary kickoff meeting [05:03] elmo: the only thing we need to discuss is how to manage the ongoing merges of new packages from Debian [05:03] daniels: what was last week, dude [05:03] daniels: the other direction === winkle [~winkle@lgh3814234.vittran.norrnod.se] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:04] mdz: ? [05:04] elmo: Debian, big place with lots of packages [05:04] mdz: ? [05:05] elmo: ... [05:05] *giggle* [05:05] Keybuk: so anyway, what kind of shape are the tools in for use on an ongoing basis? [05:05] elmo: [05:05] ok [05:05] well, as I understand things [05:05] packages we haven't modified, elmo's magic will pull from Debian [05:05] Keybuk: is it feasible to automate at least the generation of the best-effort merges, and file bugs for their review? [05:06] yeah, I think so [05:06] if he can flag that a package we've modified has a new Debian version, my stuff can pull previous and current Debian, try to apply the diff to warty, and do it's dropped stuff [05:06] automating a bug filing ... I have no idea about ... I imagine it's doable though [05:07] Keybuk: there's a module in debzilla for filing bugs in bugzilla; it's dead easy [05:07] should we flag them all, or just the ones which the debian patch doesn't apply to? [05:08] based on the last round, i think at least an eyeball review is called for [05:08] and a test build [05:08] yeah, I tend to agree [05:08] there were a few where patch did odd things [05:08] though, these are much smaller [05:08] Keybuk: how do you want me to flag that to you? [05:08] the ones where it did truly odd things seemed to cause build failures anyway, so they'd be caught [05:09] having elmo's stuff send notifications sounds hairy; maybe Keybuk's stuff should just pull a Sources file from Debian on its own [05:09] the main issue is that I'm running on rookery [05:09] mdz: I can ultra-trivially dump the lorraine output to a text file which keybuk can wget? [05:09] Keybuk: why's that an issue? [05:10] elmo: works for me [05:10] just a text file of source package names elmo thinks Debian have newer than warty would be ideal === Kamion [~cjwatson@host81-153-126-219.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:11] sorry I'm late [05:11] Keybuk: as part of your output, can you include a debdiff from Hoary->the merged version? === fabbione [~fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:11] yeah, if elmo installs that on rookery [05:11] good point [05:12] I've been nagging him for a week to put it on jackass :-P [05:12] err, you so haven't [05:12] anyway, it's on rookery [05:12] Oct 29 12:41:07 elmo: debdiff on jackass, please? [05:13] would you prefer debdiff from base -> {old hoary, new hoary} as well? instead of just ordinary patch? [05:13] mdz: ... one IRC message [that I missed] is nagging for a week? [05:13] elmo: I could dig up more :-) [05:13] Oct 26 15:25:44 could I get debdiff+interdiff on jackass? [05:14] mdz: so, this debzilla thing, what's that? [05:14] Keybuk: that's the thing which creates bugs in bugzilla based on debbugs bugs [05:14] do you want just main, or main +universe? [05:15] Keybuk: matt.zimmerman@canonical.com--2004/debzilla--mainline--0 [05:16] elmo: ideally both, but filterable [05:16] e.g., mark them as main or not in the text file [05:16] so we could generate the output for universe, but not file bugs [05:17] ok [05:17] Keybuk: work for you? [05:18] yup [05:19] Keybuk: yeah, base->new hoary is good too [05:19] I'm hoping those will be small and easily reviewable [05:19] has the problem that we often don't have the right base been fixed? [05:19] yeah, hopefully [05:19] that bit me with a lot of the last round of merges [05:19] Kamion: theoretically it's seen the right base now :p [05:20] but yeah, I'll write some code to string ubuntu* and look on snapshot for that [05:20] Keybuk: certainly won't've done for some of the ones I'm doing [05:20] ok [05:20] string? strip! [05:20] that's actually easy ... the only reason I didn't do it before is because I'm fallible and didn't think of that [05:20] keybuk: jackass/lorraine/needs-merged.txt [05:20] missing universe atm. but is that okay? [05:21] cool [05:21] yup [05:21] I assume it'll be s/main/universe/ :p [05:21] for universe ones, yes [05:22] it's "%s %s" % (pkg, component) [05:22] so I guess we'll find out in the course of doing this, how much manual work it will truly be [05:23] I think it will be fairly reasonable [05:23] but hopefully just enough to provide the necessary incentives to push our changes upstream :-) [05:23] speaking of which, herbert's kernel-package stem patch needs to go upstream [05:23] what are we doing wrt to the current patches, btw? [05:24] have they all been pushed, or do we need to push some, etc. [05:25] we don't have those figures [05:25] I've been going over d-i stuff as I upload the merges, pushing upstream as appropriate [05:26] of course we do have a fair volume of stuff that upstream isn't going to want [05:26] maybe after hoary when we have better tools, we can do a comprehensive review and make sure that everything has been submitted upstream [05:27] indeed, by far the greatest volume of the d-i patches is branding [05:27] maybe we'll even have someplace to store that metadata :-P [05:27] and mark patches as should-go-upstream or not [05:27] anything else to discuss as part of the meeting? [05:28] seeds? [05:28] good call [05:28] I'm going to finish brutalising hct's cli today ... will work on the continual merge thing tomorrow [05:28] (viz., having some) [05:28] should we temporarily use some other repository for the master seed lists until the wiki is fixed? [05:28] I'm happy with a world-writable text file on rookery, personally :-) [05:28] they could be part of germinate's source tree [05:28] we could always use the old wiki? [05:28] Keybuk: that might be a plan [05:29] Keybuk: only if we can enable changes on a per-page basis [05:29] what about a group-writable arch archive? [05:30] as long as we can get at it from {my dev boxes, little, jackass} that'd work [05:30] I don't think it should be part of germinate's source tree [05:31] is the wiki really the best place for it long-term? [05:31] maybe when we were editing it every day, it was [05:31] we can keep proposals in the wiki, and move them into the official seeds by other means [05:32] needs a change history -> arch [05:32] the nice thing about the wiki is it was a http get for germinate [05:33] or anything else that wanted to fuck around with seeds [05:33] elmo: we can do that with arch too [05:33] a tla get isn't much different, no? [05:33] elmo: dump a checkout on rookery [05:33] can't tla dump a file for you in one step? [05:34] Kamion: yeah, true [05:34] even if not, a checkout isn't a big deal, I suppose [05:34] fewer dependencies would be good, but I don't see a problem with having a cronned tla update on people/~cjwatson/seeds/ or whatever [05:34] I don't see a problem with germinate doing a tla get [05:34] it's slow enough already :P [05:35] yeah, exactly :-) [05:35] what should we call the archive? [05:35] and where should it go? do we want non-canonical staff to be able to write to it? [05:36] (I assume the answer is "eventually, yes") [05:36] right [05:36] but it isn't a big deal if they can't quite yet [05:36] it's not something which changes often, and we can propagate things easily enough when there's a consensus [05:36] so just chinstrap as before then, I guess [05:36] yeah [05:37] more a question of a personal archive vs. something else [05:37] Kamion: fine with me if you want to keep them in your archive next to germinate [05:37] ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/seeds--warty--0 etc.? [05:37] mdz: that's a bit technically awkward for group-writability, because my archive on chinstrap is only a mirror [05:38] and y'all don't have logins on my home server [05:38] ah, separate then, I suppose [05:38] does anyone know if we have an official naming scheme for public archives from the arch guys? [05:38] we do for imports, yes [05:38] anything which we could apply here as well, for consistency? [05:39] @arch.ubuntu.com[---] /---- [05:39] Kamion's idea seemed sound to me [05:39] the ubuntu-devel one? [05:39] yeah [05:40] works for me [05:40] if there are no objections, I can create that after the meeting, import warty's seeds, and tag them onto hoary [05:40] we can always change it if the arch secret police object [05:40] Kamion: sounds good [05:40] we have a bunch of seed changes to review and effect [05:41] I have a list from the kickoff meeting [05:41] and I believe there is stuff in the wiki for hoary [05:42] arything else to discuss? [05:42] not from me [05:43] ok, adjourned [05:44] thanks, guys === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:mdz] : Community Council Meeting, 2004-11-09 1600UTC === Keybuk [scott@descent.netsplit.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === elmo [~james@83.216.141.215] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === daniels [daniel@fooishbar.org] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === winkle [~winkle@lgh3814234.vittran.norrnod.se] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === fabbione [~fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === mako [~mako@dyn011084-106haven.cpmc.columbia.edu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mako [mako@micha.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra [~ogra@p508EB996.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra [~ogra@p508EB996.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["I] === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has left #ubuntu-meeting []