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trasi can change all the settings but i don't find this one12:00
AlohaWulftras: vmware 4.5 does12:00
traschibifs, i don't think about this, and i use gaim for msn... good idea12:00
trasAlohaWulf, Yes sire12:01
topylijdub: i thought polypaudio would save the world but what's the use when esddsp still won't work with xgalaga? :)12:01
chibifsGaim with IRC takes up less memory than Gaim and Xchat at once. :P12:02
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topylichibifs: i agree, i've started using gaim for irc lately too12:02
topyliit's no irc tool but it works so and so12:02
trastrasmontano is me, but i don't find the window12:02
traswhith the chat :-)12:03
chibifsBuddies > Join a Chat.12:03
chibifsHeh.12:04
chibifsThe window should be on a tab with your other im's? :P12:04
traschibifs, yes i made it you can see trasmontano as join but but i don't see the window12:04
trasoki12:04
tras:-p12:04
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TrasMontanoi'm the12:04
TrasMontanothx chibifs12:05
TrasMontano:-p12:05
chibifsNot a problem.12:05
topyliTrasMontano: ok, now you'll never have to be alone :)12:05
TrasMontanocool12:05
ryanalright!12:05
ryanputting nvsound in /etc/modules overrode the who alsa startup12:05
TrasMontanooki let's install vmware12:05
ryanyay for hardware mixing12:05
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TrasMontanothen i have to make work cdroast with my cd writer12:06
ryanboo for the fact that gstreamer sounds crappy now12:06
TrasMontanoide12:06
chibifsHrmmm.. I'm still a little rough on debian..12:06
ryanrhythmbox-> noise in the background12:06
TrasMontanowithout scsi emulation12:06
chibifsWhat's the command to just install a deb?12:06
ryanxmms-> crystal clear12:06
ryanyay12:06
chibifsStill using XMMS? :/12:06
topyliTrasMontano: i just set it up here. what's the problem?12:06
ograchibifs: sudo dpkg -i <name>.deb12:06
TrasMontanotopyli: i read that with 2.6.8 you need scsi emulation12:07
chibifsThankums. :o12:07
TrasMontanotopyli: in main page of cdroast12:07
topyliTrasMontano: don't read. just set it up :)12:07
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TrasMontanotopyli: i've to compile12:07
topyliTrasMontano: you too want gtk2?12:07
TrasMontanotopyli: no, just xcdroast to work with my ide writer12:08
topyliTrasMontano: oh, you have some weird iron there12:08
chibifsAlso, ryan, If you're on a Creative card, be sure to turn down your ac97 aliders.12:08
TrasMontanotopyli: and ogr just learn me how to find the kernel source12:08
chibifsThey're the main cause of static in sound. :o12:08
Matt|TrasMontano, in my experience the scsi emulation does not make a major difference to the speed12:09
topyliTrasMontano: you might as well configure with --enable-gtk2 :)12:09
ryanchibifs: bmp still doesn't have a damn queue button in the jump to song dialog12:09
Matt|TrasMontano, detecting the drive for the first time will take awhile but burning should be fine12:09
ryanand when i have a list of 4000+ songs i prefer to use the jump to dialog to queue things12:09
ryanheh12:09
chibifsLies! :P12:09
TrasMontanoMatt|: yes normally it work, but with this kernel, no let me pass you the url12:09
chibifsI use rhythmbox anywho. :o12:09
chibifsI like to keep playcounts. >.>'12:10
Matt|TrasMontano, i have used xcdroast without scsi-emulation on a gentoo box12:10
Matt|TrasMontano, I got the error from xcdroast but it worked anyway12:10
Matt|TrasMontano, i believe there is a marginal difference in the speed12:10
topyliTrasMontano: don't let it search, but you should manually tell xcdroast to use /dev/hdc or whatever. otherwise it will search and search for a long time everytime you try to do something12:10
chibifsThe error is meaningless.12:10
TrasMontanoMatt|: look at this, the last news12:10
TrasMontanoMatt|: http://www.xcdroast.org/12:10
chibifsIt slows down burning a tiny amount.12:10
Matt|TrasMontano, ok12:10
Matt|chibifs, that has been my experience too12:11
TrasMontanoMatt|: i told him but ut don't detect /dev/hdc12:11
Matt|erm12:11
ryanchibifs: heh12:11
Matt|i c12:11
TrasMontanoMatt|: btw i've /dev/hdc in fstab12:11
ryanhey wait12:11
Matt|TrasMontano, it doesn't detect it on my system either come to think of it12:11
ryanhow to you get gstreamer to change what it outputs sound to12:11
TrasMontanoryan: yes12:11
topylichibifs: i just uninstalled rhythmbox :)12:11
ryanisn't there a dialog to change from esd to oss to alsa etc12:12
ryanor a way rather12:12
Matt|i hate rhythmbox12:12
TrasMontanolol12:12
Matt|xmms 4ever12:12
TrasMontanotroll12:12
TrasMontano:-p12:12
Matt|>_>12:12
Matt|troll?12:12
ryani don't care this is a gstreamer question12:12
ryan(!)12:12
ryanheh12:12
topylii installed mpd and a couple of clients. it's beautiful!12:12
chibifsI just wish they'd do a gtk2 upgrade. :/12:12
Matt|topyli, what is mpd?12:13
TrasMontanoMatt|: yes it's  a joke like telling mandrake is better than red hat12:13
TrasMontanoMatt|: or gnome better than kde12:13
chibifsI seriously dislike when I have out of theme programs.12:13
Matt|TrasMontano, all a matter of opinion i guess12:13
Matt|chibifs, awwwww12:13
topyliMatt|: music player daemon. it lets you log out and in, uninterrupted. you can control it remotely. it will continue after reboot. etc.12:13
Matt|you can find a skin to fit in12:13
ryantopyli: yeah mpd rules12:14
chibifsNot the menus. :P12:14
Matt|topyli, sounds interesting12:14
ryanoh yeah12:14
ryani'll just use that12:14
Matt|chibifs, true the menus are annoying12:14
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Matt|does anyone know how to change the font in menus for skinnable apps like mplayer and xmms?12:14
jdubxmms uses gtk+ 1.x, so 'gtkthemeswitch'12:14
topyliMatt|: http://www.musicpd.org12:14
Matt|jdub, ok thanks a lot12:15
chibifsYeah, but some GTK2 themes can't be matched with a gtk1 theme. :/12:15
Matt|i haven't got that command12:15
topyliMatt|: the command is 'switch' though12:16
chibifsapt for it.12:16
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Matt|k12:16
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Matt|matt@kallisto:~ $ apt-cache search gtkthemeswitch12:17
Matt|matt@kallisto:~ $12:17
Matt|:(12:17
ryanoh gn012:17
stuNNed_so basically at this point apt-get install k3b for cd-writer app?12:17
ryanno mpd debs?!12:17
TrasMontanoogra: MANY MANY thanks it work for vmware12:17
Matt|stuNNed_ you could use nautilus12:17
ograTrasMontano: ;)12:18
chibifsgtk-theme-switch12:18
Matt|ty12:18
chibifsOn universe12:18
Matt|gottim12:18
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chibifsHmmm... next up, successfully compiling winex3.2 :/12:20
ryangood luck!12:21
topylichibifs: google for a handy script called "getwinex"12:21
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ryanisn't that cvsgetwinex12:22
topylimight be12:22
chibifsDoes it compile? I need to make some patches to it ahead of time. :o12:22
topylidunno, i haven't actually needed to use it12:22
chibifsAh well, I'll give it a shot.12:23
chibifs:D12:23
ryanheh12:23
ryanits hard getting used to just using sudo12:23
ryanluckly sudo sh works fine12:23
chibifsI gksu my terms and file manager, that's all.12:24
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chibifsJust lots of... time spent entering passwords. >.>12:25
klasiphydanyone have any dualhead advise before i jump into it?12:25
jdubyou should *not* run nautilus as root12:25
chibifsNot nautilus12:25
chibifsXFFM :P12:25
jdubyou should not run any file manager as root12:25
chibifsI should when I need to manage root files. >.>12:25
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Matt|is it ok to have the apache htdocs in one's home directory?12:26
ryanyeah i don't think i'd ever want to run a filemanager as root12:26
Matt|with user permissions?12:26
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ryanMatt|: of course12:26
chibifsUbuntu is actually my first time ever using a USER account.12:26
Matt|at the moment they are in /var/www/localhost/htdocs with root permissions12:26
ryanhoo boy12:26
Hikaru79chibi, that's not something to brag about :P12:26
chibifsYeah, I'm bad. :D12:26
Matt|chibifs, respek12:26
topylichibifs: oh man. that's sad12:27
jdubchibifs: you should never need to 'manage' files that are not owned by your user12:27
ograchibifs: noting to be proud of12:27
Matt|lol12:27
chibifsjdub - global installs not managed by apt?12:28
topylichibifs: sudo there12:28
jdubchibifs: not something that should be done with a graphical file manager12:28
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chibifsI'm used to graphic file managers. It can't be that bad. It's not as if they have net access of any sort.12:29
jdubchibifs: "can't be that bad"12:30
topylichibifs: sudo is not exactly a ubuntu invention. on any distro you should set it up first thing12:30
jdubif you run your file manager as root, you can screw your install (potentially even hardware) by pressing the wrong buttons12:30
chibifsAnd I've been using linux for a year as root. Nothing has happened. <.<12:30
jdubthat's a very unwise thing to do12:30
Matt|another thing: how to allow users to see a directory listing with apache??12:31
TrasMontanoMatt|: IT worked for xcdroast BUT in root user like told in xcdroast page, many thx TOO !12:31
topylichibifs: good for you12:31
ryanheh12:31
Matt|TrasMontano, yeah you need to be root12:31
Matt|for some reason12:31
ograMatt|: remove/rename index.html12:31
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Matt|ogra, i believe that it doesn't permit directory listing where there is no index file12:31
topyliTrasMontano: first time you have to be root12:32
Matt|maybe i'm wrong12:32
TrasMontanomany thx guys you're very sympatics !12:32
topylithen not12:32
Matt|TrasMontano, where are you from?12:32
ograMatt|: by default it sould12:32
ogra+h12:32
TrasMontanotopyli: i try12:32
TrasMontanoMatt|: France, Paris12:32
Matt|ogra, Forbidden12:32
Matt|You don't have permission to access /images/ on this server.12:32
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Matt|topyli, with ide xcdroast requires you to be root for any burning12:33
ograMatt|: images is a special case12:33
Matt|lol12:33
Matt|ah12:33
topyliMatt|: no, it shouldn't do that12:33
Matt|ogra, Forbidden12:33
Matt|You don't have permission to access /Documents/ on this server.12:33
ograMatt|: create a dir under /var/www, you can list files in there12:33
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Matt|topyli, no, but it does12:34
topylihmm.12:34
TrasMontanoxcdroast can convert mp3 to audio automatcly??12:34
topylinot in my house :)12:35
karevollMatt|: the directory you're trying to list must be world-executable (chmod a+x dirname)12:35
Matt|topyli, what cd drive you have12:35
Matt|karevoll, ok wonderful12:35
Matt|thanks12:35
karevollnp, in unix, entering a directory is the same as executing it12:44
chibifsI'm happily all sudo setup now, though. :o12:44
topyliMatt|: it's an ide atapi lite-on drive12:44
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Matt|hmm12:44
TrasMontanook i'll try anlone but for this i've to mount my ntfs partition12:44
chibifsI suppose I could use mc for root file management?12:44
TrasMontanoTHE LAST nb question for the night :12:44
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topyliMatt|: in xcdroast, remove the drive it found, add manually /dev/hdc or whatever your drive is12:44
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Matt|topyli, ok12:44
chibifsMy car doesn't have breaks. :P12:44
TrasMontanowhen i mount my ntfs partition users can't read...any IDEAS ?12:44
WXhi12:44
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TrasMontanopromees last nb question12:44
topylichibifs: i believe you. root doesn't need breaks :)12:44
WXanyone here use Ubuntu as a server?12:44
jdubWX: all the ubuntu servers run ubuntu12:44
chibifsI do12:44
chibifshttp://studiochibico.com12:44
TrasMontanochibifs: LAMP ??12:44
chibifsTotally. :P12:44
topyliWX that's relative. my box is ssh, mail, file/print server and my workstation/sandbox :)12:44
WXim thinking of ditching gentoo on my server... it just scares me sometimes when I run "emerge -U world"12:44
WXtopyli: u know what i mean... :-P12:44
topylihehe12:44
topyliWX: i guess it's just as good as debian for that12:44
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roo1Awww.12:44
TrasMontanoHelp :-[ permissions....12:44
roo1I wanna be root ;_;12:44
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WXalright... i guess i'll give it a shot on my secondary server first12:44
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TrasMontanoI want to mount ntfs partion for normal users12:44
TrasMontanobut it only work for root12:44
chibifsTras- Wish I12:44
Matt|what is the command to change owner of a directory?12:44
TrasMontanochown12:44
visoruhmm i have a silly question, do i have to mount a smb share from a server running samba 3.x as cifs?12:44
chibifscould help you there* :/12:44
topyliTrasMontano: fstab confusion i guess12:44
TrasMontanobut after mounting it chage it to root owner12:44
TrasMontanotopyli: i think to12:44
TrasMontanoi past you the intersting line12:44
chibifschmod -R 777 / :D12:44
topyliok12:44
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TrasMontano-R ????12:44
ograTrasMontano: mount -o umask=00012:44
chibifsXD don't do that12:44
topyliTrasMontano: ogra is right12:44
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chibifsTrasMontano - That's bash for 'hey, come rape me' :P12:44
ameobanot really in the mood to sign up for the bugzilla - just checking out the distro.  But, apt-get install automake suggests autobook.  There is no autobook12:44
topylichibifs: might as well run windows 9512:44
TrasMontanothat's my fstab line /dev/hdb1/mnt/xpautoro,user0012:44
ograameoba: sudo apt-get install build-essential12:52
Matt|chibifs, nice site12:52
chibifs:D12:52
topyliTrasMontano: only two zeroes, are you sure?12:52
Matt|you are 17 and engaged? :)12:52
chibifsYes.12:52
TrasMontanotopyli: yep12:52
ogratopyli: thats ok12:52
TrasMontanotopyli: i'm learning tell me what's wrong12:52
TrasMontanoi just want to be readable12:52
topyliTrasMontano: oh yes. you need to ad a umask option. umask=something (i don't have a windows partition)12:52
chibifsPart of the reason there's no marriage yet. :P12:52
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[Phaedrus] who's 17 and engaged?12:52
chibifsMe. :o12:52
ograTrasMontano: /dev/hdb1 /mnt/xp  auto ro,user,umask=000  0 012:52
[Phaedrus] how old is your girl? if you dont mind me asking12:52
TrasMontanotopyli: oki i try umask=00012:52
TrasMontanoogra: ok12:52
jdubguys, off-topic stuff elsewhere please12:52
chibifs19.12:52
[Phaedrus] ooh... going for the older ones eh12:52
draconian:)12:52
chibifspedophilia! onoez!12:52
ameobaogra - I'm not even sure what autobook is... just mentioning that there's some bad info in the .deb12:52
[Phaedrus] well, for what its worth... congratulations chibifs12:52
chibifsThanks ^_^12:52
ograapt-cache search autobook12:52
ograautobook - GNU Autoconf, Automake and Libtool Book12:52
ameobafigured it was some sort of docu12:52
TrasMontanoogra: and topyli MANY THX IT WORK !!!!!12:52
topyliameoba: autobook is "GNU Autoconf, Automake and Libtool Book". if autoconf suggests and doesn't depend, it doesn't matter12:52
TrasMontanoumask=00012:52
topyliTrasMontano: cool12:52
TrasMontano;-)12:52
ograameoba: its in universe, not on the cd12:52
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TrasMontanonow i can try to burn mp3 to an audio cd for my car12:52
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ameobaogra : downloading from the net...12:52
jdubameoba: it's a suggestion. autobook is in universe.12:52
topyliTrasMontano: no you can't, with xcdroast anyway :)12:52
topyliyou need to convert the mp3s to wavs first12:52
TrasMontanotopyli: i've to conveert first??12:52
topyliTrasMontano: yep, xcdroast is OldSkool12:52
TrasMontanotopyli: lol what do u use ??12:52
ameobajdub : I guess dpkg/apt doesn't let you mark things as "suggested but you can't get them now", eh?12:52
jdubameoba: it doesn't matter12:52
topyliTrasMontano: google for a script called Naudilus. it's cool, it's a nautilus script that  converts formats to others12:52
TrasMontanotopyli: and then i burn with nautilus, i'm googleing12:52
Matt|karevoll, i have made the directory i wanted to list executable dr-xr-xr-x but it does not list12:52
ameobajdub : technically, it doesn't impact usability.  in the realm of 'don't confuse the user' it does.12:52
topyliTrasMontano: no, then you can burn with xcdroast. nautilus doesn't do audio cd's12:52
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TrasMontanotopyli: :) thk u12:53
ograameoba: its a suggestion, nothing more12:53
topyliTrasMontano: damn our platform is not very user friendly :)12:53
topylirofl12:53
Matt|can someone help me with listing directories in apache?12:54
TrasMontanotopyli: i never use for workstation12:54
TrasMontanotopyli: only proxy and firewall12:54
topyliTrasMontano: well, kde users have k3b but gnome is lagging behind on this one :(12:55
topylicd burning12:55
TrasMontanotopyli: yes iv've tried k3b, very good tool (in knoppix) but i prefer gnome ;-)12:56
ogratopyli: coaster .... will come any time12:56
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ogratopyli: dont do THAT ;)12:57
topylihehe12:57
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chibifs::sigh:: Damn you KDE!.. stealing what could be our good gtk programs. ;_;12:57
epodcan someone direct me to the page that describes how to install the ati binary drivers please?12:57
jdubepod: find 'BinaryDriverHowto' on the wiki12:57
ograhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriversHowto12:57
epodthank you12:58
Matt|yeah those wikis are hard to find!12:58
ogralol12:58
ograespecially with the search function....12:58
epodI am very pleased, ubuntu didn't crash my system with the thermal zone acpi module, detected my 1440x900 resolution, and my sound works! :D12:58
Matt|i didn't see the search function12:58
Matt|:(12:58
topylichibifs: kde is quite nice too, for those who like that sort of thing. k3b could never be in gnome anyway, it's not very compliant to the HIG :)12:58
ogratop right12:58
TrasMontanoogra: this URL works very good for my nvidia12:58
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ograTrasMontano: ;)12:59
chibifsWe need a k3b like gtk frontend, though. :/12:59
Matt|anyone who can help me with getting a directory listing in my apache folders?12:59
ograchibifs: http://coaster.sf.net12:59
topylichibifs: we need the functionality, but we definitely need a better UI. coaster might do it once the library is working01:00
TrasMontanoMatt|: remote listing ??01:00
Matt|TrasMontano, yes01:00
TrasMontanoMatt|: interseting...i stay there ;-)01:00
chibifsI've almost been able to live completely without qt, but I still end up using Apollon and k3b. ._.01:01
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ogratopyli: once....01:01
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KeknehvHi all01:02
TrasMontanoKeknehv: hi01:02
chibifs'lo. o.o01:02
cardadorogra: Coaster Site Has Moved :P01:02
Matt|which is the font that ubuntu uses for most application menus?01:03
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topyliogra: well, getting rid of cdrecord is good. but libburn needs some love if it's going to deliver01:03
Keknehvhow do I configure X86Config to route through an NVidia PCI card on PCI1?01:03
Matt|i would like to copy it to gtk-theme-switch01:03
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Keknehv[The ubuntu system gets to a blank screen when it tries to load GDM)01:03
ogratopyli: everytime i consider coaster vaporware, the guys make some noise again :)01:03
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eladioahh.. hello fellow ubuntu users.01:04
cardadorogra: is coaster usable? last time i checked it wasnt01:04
corbobhow do i run NTP support in the system?01:04
chibifsMind you, the friendliness I've seen when changing from slack to ubuntu.. I'm sure I can deal with just that for now.01:04
jdubcorbob: ntpdate will start when you boot01:04
jdubcorbob: but you can also install ntp-simple01:04
chibifsAnd I've always liked APT.01:04
eladiohaving trouble getting wireless to work on my notebook.. what is ndiswrapper.01:05
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eladiodo i need it01:05
TrasMontanoMatt|: do u know the apache's version ??01:05
corbobjdub, how do i get ubuntu to assume the hardware clock is set to local time...01:05
rifficanyone know how to disable gnome turning off the monitor in ubuntu ??01:05
jdubcorbob: change /etc/default/rcS01:05
riffichardware clock should be gmt01:05
jdubcorbob: UTC=no01:05
chibifsI just hope they don't throw in KDE and slow down the gnome support. Slackware is completely dropping it.01:05
topyliogra: noise is good. at least they're not asleep. :) but aren't the coaster folks mainly just waiting for a working libburn?01:05
rifficer utc01:05
Matt|TrasMontano, Server version: Apache/2.0.52 is the one i have01:05
jdubchibifs: no, dude, patrick is 'considering' dropping it and letting dropline do it.01:06
corbobriffic, i wouldn't care except i need to dual-boot with windows01:06
rifficoic01:06
corboband windows assumes it's set to local time01:06
stuNNed_chibifs: yes but doesn't Slackware have Dropline gnome?01:06
rifficwell windows should support UTC as a hardware clock01:06
rifficlike any other proper OS01:06
chibifsDropline is hellishly buggy :/01:06
stuNNed_oh..01:06
eladioiwconfig results in no wireless extensions01:06
corbobit's actually quite funny because i had fecora on here, so yesterday when i booted into windows my time was an hour earlier than it was because both systems set the hardware clock back an hour01:07
epodok, to set up the 686 smp kernel, I just sudo apt-get install linux-686-smp01:07
ryani like how half the fonts that ubuntu installs by default don't even work01:07
epodyes?01:07
ryanall these stupid font names and they all look like "Sans" which usually means they're broken01:07
topylichibifs: i guess patrick might be wise to not support gnome. he's such a lonely rider. how much can a man do?01:08
chibifsNot that I mind gnomeless compiles, but I still rely  on a lot of apps in gnome. (I'm an XFCE user myself.)01:08
jdubryan: um, yeesh, dude.01:08
jdubryan: all those fonts that ubuntu installs by default are for fundamentally different character sets.01:08
eladiohelp... can't get linksys wpc11 wireless pc card to work with notebook01:09
jdubryan: so what you're seeing in the font chooser is the fallback to sans for our characters.01:09
chibifs:o Ubuntu needs Arial Unicode by default. :P01:09
ryanwhen you choose 'english' you'd think it'd be like "okay, he doesn't need those"01:09
topylioh my $DEITY, it's late01:09
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jdubryan: load the character map, and see all the other fonts being used in all their glory.01:09
jdubryan: (better to ask questions than to make rash assumptions)01:10
chibifs<3 full chinese kanji sheet.01:10
ryani still stand by the fact that when you choose english, it shouldn't install every other font under the sun01:11
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ryanthose seem like install after the fact types of things01:12
ryanheh01:12
mirak_hi hi01:12
KeknehvHow can I set up gdm in safe mode?01:12
chibifsMultilingueal support by default is usefull.01:12
chibifsI would enjoy UIM by default, too. :o01:13
KeknehvHow do I set up the X server to go through PCI1??01:13
jdubryan: it should definitely install them. perhaps it shouldn't display fonts that don't cover roman letters.01:14
mirak_"P C I 1" ??01:14
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jdubchibifs: we want to do iim stuff for the next release01:14
KeknehvErr.. an nvidia pci card on pci1...01:14
ryanjdub: hrm, that could be a good option too01:14
aitrusBusID "PCI:1:0:0"01:14
Keknehvwhere do I put that?01:15
aitrusor whatever lspci says01:15
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ryanjdub: and my apologies for sounding "rash" ;)01:15
mirak_if the mobo has onboard wouldnt PCI:1:0:0 be the onboard video?01:15
aitrusmaybe try under the "Device" section for your video card01:15
aitrusthe nvidia readme explains in detail how to do this01:16
aitrusand has examples01:16
KeknehvSee, when I try and load ubuntu, it gets to starting GDM, the screen blinks on and off a couple times, and then it says the X server couldnt start01:16
ograhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriversHowto01:16
Keknehvoh...01:16
Keknehvok01:16
mirak_keknehv, to get my agp card working i had to comment out PCI:1:0:001:16
mirak_but that is agp01:16
KeknehvI don't have agp...01:16
aitrusmirak_: that's cause agp isn't pci01:16
KeknehvBut where would that line be anyways?01:16
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mirak_xfree86-4 file ........i think thats what it is called01:17
epodohmygod01:17
ryanoh btw thanks for using firefox by default instead of epiphany ;)01:17
mirak_lol01:17
epodI've tried 5 linux distros on my notebook, and this is the only one that has *worked* with the stupid ATI drivers01:17
epodthat was so painless.01:17
mirak_lol01:17
aitrusKeknehv: /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/examples  <-- read it01:17
chibifsThanks for using firefox .9.3 >.>01:18
chibifs1.0PR Is infinitely crashy.01:18
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ograKeknehv: have you read this ? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto01:18
epodsorry, I'm so happy, it's funny01:18
ryanheh01:19
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epodnow, if ndiswrapper works, I'm going to be as giddy as a schoolgirl01:20
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ryanndiswrapper?01:21
ograepod: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/01:21
ryanis that something like freebsd's ndisulator?01:21
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mirak_hey guys....im a newb....are the guides on tldp.org worht reading???01:23
charliecan anybody tell me why i can't listen too xmms and hear for instance a movie playing in mplayer at the same time?01:23
charliesoundcard : terratec 5.101:23
ogracharlie: use esd for output01:23
epodomg my wireless card works01:23
tsengmirak_: they are generally good, but written by different people.. so i'd say YMMV (your mileage may vary)01:23
aitruscharlie: you need to run 'gstreamer-properties'01:23
ograaltrus: not for mplayer/xmms01:24
aitruscharlie: and change your sink01:24
tsengmirak_: also im guessing as with any documentation, some things get out of date01:24
aitrusogra: whups, i read "mplayer" and "totem"01:24
aitruserr.. as01:24
mirak_tseng, any good place to start? i plan to read them all...eventually, and iwas gonna start at "bash guide for beginners"01:24
tsengsounds like a plan01:25
charlieogra / aitrus.. : gonna look some more around thx for your suggestions01:25
mirak_tseng, i see it as , as long as i get a working knowledge of it....i can adapt to be more up-to-date01:25
aitruscharlie: mine won't effect either of those... i misread what you said01:25
mirak_tseng, i do ok now...i guess....but ogra bot cant answer all of my questions01:26
ogracharlie: the apps block the sounddevice esd is for multiple apps with one device...01:26
ryandamnit01:26
ryanhardware mixing was working just an hour ago01:26
epodcan anyone help me get my wireless up? The driver is working, and I register signal, I just need to get my WEP key working01:27
charlieogra :so which should use esd then? gnome / kde or one of the players?01:27
eladioepod, what wireless card are you using?01:28
epodBroadcom 802.11g thingy01:28
ograchar: for mplayer you can set it up in ~/.mplayer, for xmms use the esd output plugin01:28
ograchallie01:29
ogragrmpf01:29
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ogracharlie: for mplayer you can set it up in ~/.mplayer, for xmms use the esd output plugin01:29
charlieogra : oki gonna try that01:29
ogragnome uses esd anyways01:29
chibifsBlah. evil sound daemons.01:30
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charlieogra : kde i'm running kde here.. but i will try it anyways :)01:30
chibifs<3 direct alsa.01:30
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ogra_dogwalkcharlie: k01:31
epodoops01:31
epod:/01:31
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epodokay, so the wireless... not so easy01:32
epoddriver works.  I just have to get it online01:32
eladioepod: i can't even get the interface to go up01:33
epodmine goes up, but didn't pull a valid IP, though my works' wireless uses network keys, so I dunno01:33
stuNNed_does ubuntu support wpa wifi encryption?01:34
LinuxJonesepod, >> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Installation01:34
chibifsSo who's idea was it to strip the naked people from ubuntu? :o01:34
chibifs(pun and confusion intended.)01:34
epodiwconfig tells me all is well01:35
eladiolinuxjones: i just installed warthog.. do i already have ndiswrapper installed in system?01:35
epodhomepod:~ $ iwlist wlan0 scan01:35
epodwlan0     Failed to read scan data : Operation not supported01:35
epod:(01:35
epodoh wait01:36
epodI have to sudo I bet01:36
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epodwhee01:36
LinuxJoneseladio, depends on which kernel your running here's a link >> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/01:36
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LoptrDoes anyone have any idea on how to boot Ubuntu installation from a Firewire CD?01:38
eladiolinuxjones: the release 1.0 warthog that i burned from ISO does not have ndiswrapper-utils.. yeesh..01:38
LoptrIt even suggests trying netinstall when unable to find CD but I can't see any menu option to do a network install.. All I can do is select "Scan for CD-ROM" once more, which doesn't help..01:39
LinuxJoneseladio, if you have a cdburner you can download it , burn and install from cdrom.01:40
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epodwhee, wireless works.  Thanks to everyone who helped me :) Two more questions.  1) is there a way for me to get a pretty boot-up screen? and 2) is there a graphical wireless config tool?01:42
eladiolinuxjones... alrighty.. i guess i will burn it to a cd..01:42
ryani'm having trouble getting alsa disabled so it doesn't interfere with my nvsound module, ideas?01:43
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epodHm, I am having trouble getting my removable usb drive to register01:45
Acridienwhat uses ubuntu ide-cd or scsi emulation ?01:48
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ernesto_any one know any good netstumbler like tools for linux?01:49
hypa7iakismet01:49
hypa7iathe /original/ :-)01:49
ernesto_is it graphical?01:50
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hypa7iathere is a gui i think01:51
hypa7iabut it's ncurses by default01:51
draconianwhat's the easiest way to install the nvidia drivers in ubuntu?01:51
ameobancurses is a GUI...01:51
ameobait's just text-based +)01:51
epodBye all :)01:51
hypa7iafair enough ameoba :-)01:51
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Loptrso, no one who has any experience using alternative boot media aside from floppy/cdrom?01:52
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jdubhttp://www.gnome.org/~jdub/random/ubuntu-november.png01:53
ograjdub: already ?01:53
ryanoo nude chix!01:53
jdubit being november and all...01:54
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hypa7iashe is so pretty :-)01:54
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Acridienwhat does ubuntu use ide-cd or scsi-emualtion ?01:54
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ograarchives.ubuntu.com gets slashdotted ;)01:54
Loptracridien: i think it supports both01:55
jdubAcridien: supports both, defaults to scsi emulation, i believe01:55
Loptrjdub: whats the desktopbar-icon to the left of the battery.. the greyed out bars.. wifi access?01:55
jdubLoptr: yeah01:55
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jdubthat's a nice icon, because 'disabled' is translucent01:55
Acridienjdub: is dd working fine for you ?01:56
jdubso depending on your theme or colour of your panel, it looks rad ;)01:56
jcole!slashdot01:56
Acridienjdub: Mine won't copy from /dev/hdc01:56
jdubAcridien: haven't tried01:56
jcoleuh, sorry01:56
AcridienI/O error01:56
Loptrjdub: what's it called?01:57
jcoleogra: where?01:57
chibifso.o.. I love the ubuntu logo. I want to steal it.01:57
srbaker_what's the "proper" way to have a program start on gnome startup?01:57
ryanargh!@#!01:57
jdubLoptr: the applet? wireless link monitor01:57
srbaker_tomboy, in this instance01:57
ograjcole: see jdubs url01:57
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jdubsrbaker_: tomboy should add itself to the session01:58
jdubsrbaker_: if it's something that doesn't support session management, there's a list in the session dialogue01:58
srbaker_jdub, so when i log out, if tomboy is running, it'll start itself back up when i log in again?01:58
ryandoes /etc/hotplug/blacklist accept wildcards01:59
shaverSuggested packages:01:59
shaver  apache2-doc tomcat4 ca-certificates01:59
shaverE: Package tomcat4 has no installation candidate01:59
ograryan: dont think so01:59
shaverhrm, and I have universe in my sources01:59
kapputuapt-cache search packagename01:59
kapputuhi ogra01:59
ryancrud01:59
ograhi01:59
ryanmaybe just by blacklisting "snd" alsa wno't be able to load01:59
jdubsrbaker_: if you save your session, and if tomboy does it correctly, yes01:59
kapputuwhat's news ?02:00
kapputudid the # miss me ?02:00
srbaker_jdub, oh, so i have to tell it "save session" when i log out?02:00
kapputu;-)02:00
srbaker_k02:00
jdubshaver: hrm.02:00
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jdubshaver: thom will know what's going on with this.02:00
jdubshaver: most likely that it didn't build (lack of java).02:00
shaverjdub: OK, I'll lie in wait02:00
jdubshaver: that is something we can fix, though02:00
jdubwell02:01
jdubdepending on the java req02:01
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Loptrjdub: thank you :) indeed it was rad. your whole desktop was clean and fresh. i like it02:01
shaverlibapache2-mod-jk2 is installed, at least02:01
jdubshaver: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/t/tomcat4/4.1.30-6/02:01
ograjdub: is the calendar uploaded already ?02:01
shaver": amd64 not in arch list: all -- skipping"02:01
shaver!02:01
shaverah, but i386 fails in more interesting ways02:02
mdzshaver: 'all' is a package which is only built once for all architectures02:02
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mdzshaver: whereas 'any' means it is built once per architecture02:02
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mdzpure java packages are generally arch: all02:02
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jdubogra: yes, it's in warty-updates02:03
shavermdz: cool02:03
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AcridienDo someone has an idea for solving this issue: I/O error when dd if=/dev/hdc of=/home/.../cd.iso ?02:05
jdubshaver: enjoying so far?02:05
shaverjdub: yeah, though using debian for the first time is awkward02:05
Loptracridien: try adding parameter bs=102402:05
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AcridienLoptr: tx why ?02:05
LoptrAcridien: bs = blocksize, which limits it to reading data in 1kb chunks. sometimes that can sort things out02:06
LoptrAcridien: it will however lower performance, but if it works, you can gradually try increasing it.02:07
LoptrAcridien: what kind of device is /dev/hdc?02:07
AcridienLoptr: a dvd reader02:08
AcridienLoptr: i tried with a Writer but it logs out the same error02:08
LoptrAcridien: ah, ok. haven't had much experience with those though, so i'm not sure if it will make any difference. won't hurt trying though.02:08
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AcridienLoptr: where should I insert the bs=1024 before if or of ?02:09
AcridienLoptr: it just exited with the same error02:09
ograjdub: dont you think warty-updates should be documented anywhere ?02:10
LoptrAcridien: oh, ok. :( then i'm out of ideas02:10
AcridienLoptr: good attempt tx02:10
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Tufekhi everyone...ubuntu linux also one live cd or no ?02:11
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LoptrTufek: not sure if the latest (Warty) has a livecd02:12
TufekLoptr, 4.10 version02:13
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AcridienLoptr: this is strange because i get the error with a cd-rom but not with a cd-rw02:14
lamontshaver: a side effect of how arch: all packages are handled (only built on i386) is that they get _tried_ on all architectures...02:14
tweaked_Hey all i have one question, how can i config a game paddle? it is for tuxracer02:14
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camdenhi everybody!02:15
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camdeni have a really quick question, how do I install a .deb from the command line?02:15
psyklopsdpkg -i02:16
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camdenneato, thank you02:16
cardadorcamden: sudo dpkg -i02:16
psyklopsah, sudo, of course02:16
tweaked_Any know how to config a game paddle02:17
camdenthat much I knew, actually :)02:17
camdenthanks tho02:17
chibifstweaked_- generally automatic.02:17
Acridientweaked_: i m installing tuxracer :-D02:17
tweaked_it does not work in tuxracer02:17
ograjdub: isn't the image supposed to switch automagically if i selected monthly calendar ?02:18
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chibifslinux kernel even picks up my playstation 2 dual shock controller. :o02:18
tweaked_Is there away to do it your self?02:18
camdenargh...02:18
camdendoes anybody here have an ATI gfx card?02:19
tweaked_Ya i did02:19
tweaked_Went to matrox02:19
chibifsIf I had one, I wouldn't use linux.02:19
camdencan't get the drivers installed.02:19
jameshyes02:19
TrasMontanocamden: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto doesnt work ???02:19
tweaked_What ATI do you have02:20
camdenx800 pro02:20
camdenhmmm... didn't know about that trasmontano, I'll give that a look-see02:20
tweaked_Did you try getting them from ATI web02:20
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jameshcamden: the 9200 works pretty well with the free drivers02:20
tweaked_ya it did for me02:21
camdentweaked: yeah, it was only available in rpm format02:21
Acridienfor those who love penguins you should request this page http://smashmethod.mg2.org/images/full/02threed/004_maybe_it%27s_over_to_the_left.jpg02:21
camdenran alien on it.02:21
TrasMontanoAcridien: LOL02:21
klasiphydi looked at that binary driver page, but i don't see any ati logo on bootup02:22
kapputuogra did you read usenet flame war between tanenbaum and linux ?02:22
tolstoyHm. Why would a network printer say "stopped" when clearly, it isn't, and I can ping it's ip address?02:22
camdenwow, I am a total debian newb, I hadn't even thought to try apt-get02:22
ograkapputu: is there a recent one ?02:23
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kapputuno the old one02:23
kapputuI saw it on slashdot02:23
kapputuI guess you have read it before02:23
ograkapputu: yes, some years ago ....02:23
kapputuI found a particular line amusing02:23
kapputulike a software project can never be managed by a group of people hacking away02:24
kapputuit has to have a leader, blah blah02:24
kensaiOk I finally figured out how to change the splash sceen for when gdm starts. What I don't know how to change is the background when the splshscreen is loading. Any tips?02:24
kapputuand linus himself admitting that he doesn't see linux going anywhere in the next 5 years02:24
ograkapputu: see this: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/9804.0/0930.html02:25
nomasteryodagive me a million monkeys anyday02:25
ograkapputu: its a really good one ;)02:25
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mirak_is "man" files on my computer...or the internet somewhere??02:27
kapputuwow that was funny !!02:28
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RuffianSoldierubuntu is my favorite distro02:28
kapputuback then he was this brash, young guy02:28
ReporterXhi all!02:28
RuffianSoldierHI ReporterX02:28
RuffianSoldierYou rock!02:28
psyklopshaha02:29
[Phaedrus] that's funny ogra02:29
ogra;)02:29
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ReporterXi need the ubuntu kernel source to complile my wirless usb driver... where i can get it02:29
[Phaedrus] now i need to go get myself a PnP mouse pad02:29
ReporterX02:29
ReporterX?02:29
[Phaedrus] dang!, that's one more thing in my to do list02:30
TrasMontanoReporterX: what's your kernel version?02:30
jncthat ubuntu is a dog on 233mhz @ 64mb ram02:30
ograReporterX: ndis ?02:30
jnctotally unusuable with any degree of usefulness02:30
mirak_where are the man files located?.....on my computer or the internet?02:31
ReporterXogra: No... atmel a75c503a02:31
TrasMontanoReporterX: look at linux- not at kernel-,    ogra :-p02:31
mirak_jnc, try a different dm..err wm...err dm idk.....maybe fluxbox02:31
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ograReporterX: ogra@monkey:~ $ locate atmel02:31
chibifsXFCE!02:31
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ogra/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/atmel.ko02:31
mirak_xfce4 is good as well02:31
chibifsUse xfce4.2 :P02:31
ograReporterX: its there ;)02:32
[Phaedrus] mirak_: usually on your computer, if you had installed it02:32
draconianheh synaptic is nice02:32
paohi all :-)02:32
draconiandid all that nvidia stuff by itself02:32
paoubuntu rocks! :-)02:32
Acridienwho is playing doom3 here ?02:32
mirak_[phaedrus] , i can access it....does that mean it is installed?02:32
chibifs4.2 is infinitely better than 4. :o02:32
[Phaedrus] mirak_: yep02:32
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ReporterXogra: But ubuntu doesn't detect my wireless device...02:32
tim-txdraconian: it's a really nice interface :) (synaptic)02:32
kapputuogra, I feel that young guys are losing an enthusiasm for programming02:32
paocoming back to linux after 5 years of freebsd... :-)02:32
kapputuespecially here in the U.S02:32
[Phaedrus] good for you pao02:33
draconiantim-tx: yes much better than what slackware got's going for it02:33
[Phaedrus] welcome back02:33
mirak_[phaedrus] , thnx i am reading "intro to linux" on tldp.org ....talk about them.....just wondering where they are....thnx02:33
chibifsYou'll need to grab a library from Hoary, and add the osciation repository to apt, but the packages work fine.02:33
yann_i have xfce4.2 running on my gentoo box... it is really nice and fast, even though the 4.0.6 was a bit quicker..02:33
ouaiphi i just install ubuntu and i don't have the password root, how i can check it? why it doesn't ask it me before?02:33
Acridienpao: what differences with linux  i don't know feebsd02:33
nevynkapputu: is that really supprising given the offshoring of development work in the states?02:33
Acridien?02:33
ograReporterX: hmm, tried sudo modprobe atmel ?02:33
[Phaedrus] mirak_: you have to do "man man"02:33
Acridienis it proprietary =02:33
Acridien?02:33
joe_41105any idea how to get gnucash on ubuntu ?? i looked in synaptec but no sucess!02:33
paoAcridien, well don't want to start up a flame...02:33
kapputunevyn, probably not, but what about guys programming just for the sake of it02:33
psyklopsouaip: yse sudo02:33
mirak_[phaedrus]  i did man gnome....it worked....just didnt know the location02:34
kappututhat hacker mentality is gone02:34
psyklopsouaip: there is no root password, you just sudo with your user password02:34
paoAcridien, but I think that for desktop ubuntu is much better and polished...02:34
ouaipwhat psyklops ?02:34
kapputusomehow down the line, I feel that it has not been passed on02:34
chibifsouaip - your root is the same as your user02:34
paoAcridien, you could get the same result with freebsd but with much more work...02:34
ouaipchibifs i try it but it doesn't run02:34
Acridienpao: it was just curiosity02:34
chibifsRoot is disabled.02:35
ouaip??02:35
TrasMontanoouaip: to change the root password, make a # sudo passwd root02:35
Acridienpao: wanted to have informations about freebsd02:35
ouaipi don't understand02:35
paoAcridien, freebsd is very sysadmin friendly... very very clean02:35
joe_41105any idea how to get gnucash on ubuntu ?? i looked in synaptec but no sucess!02:35
ograReporterX: if you get an error with modprobe install linux-restricted-modules02:35
chibifsUse sudo or gksu.02:35
ouaipsu or sudo  as command line?02:35
Acridienpao: is it GPL ?02:35
[Phaedrus] FreeBSD is a good OS, if you want to run a server02:35
TrasMontanoouaip: sudo passwd02:35
nevynkapputu: that still happens.02:36
ouaipok02:36
Acridienouaip:  t'es francais ?02:36
TrasMontanoouaip: then u can su02:36
pao  [Phaedrus]  that is my conclusion right now...02:36
[Phaedrus] and it had the whole ports system before anyone did02:36
Acridienouaip: tu veux quoi ?02:36
ouaipso every user can show  /root ?02:36
paoAcridien, no, it's not...02:36
nevynkapputu: there'll always be the kid that works out how to write code so they can make pac-man for their TI-8302:36
nevynor whatever.02:36
chibifsouaip - sudo is like temporarily logging into root for a single command.02:36
ouaipAcridien c nul de pas mettre de root, je cherche a savoir le passse root02:36
paoAcridien, it a little bit more free if you want.. you do not need to redistribute derivative work...02:37
TrasMontanoouaip: no, bt there is no root password at the begenning02:37
ReporterXogra: ok... do i have to install the atmel firnware ?02:37
psyklopsouaip: only users in the sudoers file02:37
TrasMontanoouaip: ya un root mais il n'est pas initialis02:37
Acridienouaip: c'est le passe que t'a mis lors de l'installation02:37
AcridienTrasMontano: french nation :-)02:37
ograReporterX: its in the restricted-modules package ;)02:37
pao[Phaedrus] , I think that freebsd is still the best compromise for server installation... FOR ME :-)02:37
ouaipmais le login existe quand meme?02:37
[Phaedrus] and pao, for compiling the kernel freebsd was always a breeze...02:37
ouaipmais le login root existe quand meme?02:37
Acridienouaip: non02:38
kapputunevyn, it's probably that the computer is not a wonder thing that you wanted to exercise control over anymore02:38
ouaipah bordel02:38
Acridienouaip: a plus02:38
[Phaedrus] pao, for server OS, it is either freebsd or Gentoo for me02:38
pao[Phaedrus] , it really depends on what you know...02:38
ograReporterX: in ubuntu you normally dont need to compile anything ;)02:38
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ouaiptout se fait sous sudo alros?02:38
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nevynkapputu: there'll always be control freaks ;)02:38
Acridienouaip: tu tapes sudo /usr/bin/...  pour lancer une application02:38
nevynkapputu: they're not going away.02:38
ReporterXogra:... :-) hummm.... the restricted-module package is available on CD ?02:38
TrasMontanoouaip: non pas si tu fais un sudo passwd root02:38
hypa7iaouaip: j'ai fait sudo passwd et j'ai change ma pass root02:38
pao[Phaedrus] , I tried gentoo but it keeps ages to install! or should I say recompile? :-)02:38
TrasMontanoouaip: comme a aprs tu peux faire su02:38
hypa7iaouaip: puis j'ai fait simplement su02:39
kapputubut how early they start is what my concern is02:39
ograReporterX: it should, not sure02:39
ouaipc bizarre la ubuntu02:39
[Phaedrus] i agree pao, but you arent supposed to meddle with your server much.. once it is done, you know exactly what you have02:39
TrasMontanohypa7ia: EXACTEMENT02:39
kapputuanyway that was just an observation02:39
TrasMontanoouaip: non c'est comme knopiix par exemple02:39
ouaipj'aime pas le ssudo02:39
ograReporterX: linux-restricted-modules-arch where arch=386 or 686 or k702:39
hypa7iaouaip: est-ce que t'a essaye sudo passwd?02:39
ouaipnon Hydroxide mais je v le faire02:40
kapputuprobably the future will consist of compiling your own efficient kernel for your watch or something02:40
TrasMontanohypa7ia: sudo passwf root ;-)02:40
hypa7iaexcusez ma manque d'accents02:40
ouaipnon hypa7ia mais je v le faire02:40
pao[Phaedrus] , I'm really happy with my ubuntu laptop now... linux has much better HW support...02:40
[Phaedrus] true02:40
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hypa7iapao: me too, on a lappy as well02:40
[Phaedrus] have fun pao. I'm glad you are enjoying it02:40
ouaipbon sinon le server x n'a pas pu se lancer juste apres l'install, une idee de ce que ca peut etre?02:40
Acridienouaip: l'avantage c'est que la permission sudo expire rapidement alors t'as plus de terminal root oubli dans un coin de l'cran02:40
TrasMontanoon devrai faire un #ubuntu-fr ;-)02:40
kapputuhaven't seen much complaints about Ubuntu and everyone gets good help if they come here02:41
hypa7iaj'y joindra02:41
ouaipAcridien ba j'aime bien la console sans serveur x02:41
ouaipAcridien ba j'aime bien la console sans serveur x pour la mainteance02:41
TrasMontanoouaip: c dangereux02:41
psyklopsif I was using debian and came here for help, would you guys mind?02:41
kappututhe fact that it recognized by TI ACX 111 mbps wireless card and installed drivers for it was enough for me to stick to it02:41
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Acridienouaip: ouais j'avais pas pense dans ce cas ca pue ouais02:41
ouaipTrasMontano pourquoi?02:41
paocan I ask for a question? :-)02:41
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psyklopswhat question would you like?02:42
kapputupao, they have told me not to ask about asking02:42
paoHow do I know if an installed deb is belonging to restricted or main?02:42
TrasMontanoouaip: une erreur de commande et tu crash tout02:42
Acridienouaip: moi j'utilise surtout quand X veux plus dmarrer02:42
Acridienlol02:42
TrasMontanoAcridien: lol02:42
hypa7iai think we also need an ubuntu-laptop channel02:42
TrasMontano^^02:42
paohypa7ia, :-)02:42
hypa7iapurely out of self-interest :-)02:42
Gmailno we need #ubuntu-laptop02:42
ouaipbon je v revoir ca02:42
Acridienouaip: dingue ton pseudo lol02:43
Gmailouaip: #ubuntu-fr02:43
ouaipsinon pas d'idee pourquoi le server x ne se lance pas au debut apres l'install?02:43
Acridienouaip: t'es tout suite catalogu lol02:43
jdubhypa7ia: better to keep all the discussion in the one place02:43
GmailOKAY02:43
ReporterXogra: i'm going to switch to ubuntu to try your tips :-)02:43
ouaipAcridien catalogue comme ?02:43
Acridienouaip: comme un frouze02:43
hypa7iajdub: fair enough :-)02:43
Gmaili speak english not sure about you!02:43
Acridienouaip: "ouaip"02:43
jdubhypa7ia: (and pulling out laptop-related stuff is probably not a good way of separating raging channels)02:44
ouaipc quoi ca frouze? Acridien02:44
ograjdub: my calendar didnt update the background automagically :(02:44
Acridienouaip: un francais02:44
ouaipah ok02:44
paoI suspect noone knows the answer for my question...02:44
jdubogra: it won't do it as soon as the package is installed02:44
hypa7iajdub: no?  seems to work somewhat well for gentoo02:44
TrasMontanoouaip: essai de parler english02:44
ouaipok02:44
jdubpao: apt-cache show <package-name>02:44
ograjdub: it is installed... i had to switch manually02:44
ouaipsomeone knows why server x doesn't run after install ?02:44
Acridienouaip: ton x dmarre pas donc ?02:44
ouaipnon02:44
kapputuogra, Ubuntu adjusted the clock correctly for daylight saving time on my desktop02:44
shaverjdub: so, what about mono?02:44
kapputubut not on my laptop02:44
jdubpao: it will show the path of the package, which will include main or restricted02:44
kapputuwhy would that be ?02:44
TrasMontanoouaip: what's your card ??02:44
jdubshaver: nicely up-to-date in universe02:45
ouaipati radeon 900002:45
shaverjdub: hmm02:45
shaverjdub: I am finding that I can't install02:45
ograjdub: monthly-calendar was selected....02:45
shaverjdub: no jit package02:45
TrasMontanoouaip: u've tried the wiki how-to??02:45
ograkapputu: its supposed to02:45
shaver  mono-mcs: Depends: mono-jit (= 1.0.1-1) but it is not installable or02:45
shaver                     cli-virtual-machine but it is not installable02:45
TrasMontanoouaip: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto02:45
jdubogra: as i said, it won't automatically switch as soon as the package is installed02:45
jdubshaver: platform?02:46
Acridienouaip: TrasMontano vous jouez a doom3 linux?02:46
shaverjdub: amd6402:46
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jdubshaver: hrm, that could have something to do with it02:46
shaverlatest mono works on it, I thought02:46
TrasMontanoAcridien: i'm looking for it at the moment ;-)02:46
paojdub, thanks!02:46
shaveror is it not _that_ nicely up-to-date?02:46
TrasMontanoAcridien: http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/doom/02:46
AcridienTrasMontano: ouais c'est ca02:46
jdubshaver: depends how recent amd64 support landed. hrm.02:47
ouaipAcridien avec ma radeon 9000 peus pas02:47
ograjdub:  dpkg -l ubuntu-calendar-november02:47
AcridienTrasMontano: mais y te faut les data cds windaube02:47
ograjdub: ii  ubuntu-calenda 4.11           Ubuntu calendar artwork for November02:47
ouaipi'm reading the wiki02:47
kapputuogra, why are you installing the calendar ?02:47
jdubogra: did you understand what i said?02:47
chibifsCalendar pwns. it's naked.02:47
chibifs:o02:47
ograkapputu: because i love the idea02:47
kapputuidea of what ??02:47
TrasMontanoAcridien: it may be an other solution for the demo....02:47
ograjdub: probably not :(02:48
jdubogra: again - your desktop background won't update automatically when the package is installed.02:48
AcridienTrasMontano: did you try it ?02:48
ograjdub: i have to relogin ?02:48
shaverjdub: I hear it was in 1.1.102:48
hypa7iawhen does the package become available?02:48
jdubogra: or re-open the background chooser02:48
TrasMontanoAcridien: no i'm really looking at the same time, the same idea like you02:48
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jdubshaver: we have 1.0.102:49
hypa7iaheheh, 20 minutes ago, aparently02:49
TrasMontanoAcridien: mais a a l'air relou :-(02:49
jdubshaver: 1.1 is development, i think02:49
ograjdub: thats what i did, i though it was supposed to update itself, sorry for the noise02:49
shaver1.0.2 is latest stable, 1.1.1 is latest development, yeah02:49
shaver(1.0.2 from sept21)02:49
paoshaver, which package are you talking about?02:49
Qmananyone has any solution to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=27917602:49
kapputuhmm I had to change it manually02:49
jdubshaver: it might hit hoary ;)02:49
shaverpao: mono for amd6402:49
kapputuogra, what's art work all about ?02:49
shaverjdub: you told me to not install hoary!02:49
jdubshaver: i wouldn't recommend it yet, no ;)02:50
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ograkapputu: all the ubuntu themes and graphics02:50
kapputuoh there are more ubuntu themes ?02:50
kapputuI see only one02:50
AcridienSee you good night all02:50
chibifs:O02:50
kapputuall the others are the gnome ones02:50
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paoCiao Acridien!02:50
TrasMontanoAcridien: bye bye02:50
Qmanapt-get refuses to do any upgrades or anything else unless galeon-common gets fully installed/configured :(02:51
ograjdub: warty-update should be documented btw... there is no hint anywhere02:51
jdubogra: known bug atm.02:51
kapputuQman, try sudo apt-get remove galeon-common02:51
ograjdub: k02:51
Qmankapputu: segfaults02:51
ouaipthnaks merci les gars , je v checker ma new ubuntu :)02:51
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jncwhat the french02:52
kapputuapt-get purge ?02:52
Qmankapputu: segfaults too :(02:52
kapputusudo apt-get --purge02:52
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paodoes the order of entries in sources.list matter?02:52
kappututry building it from the source, and instead of make install do a make checkinstall02:52
kapputuand then remove it02:52
kapputuusing apt-get02:53
Qmankapputu: ok I'll try thanx02:53
cardadorQman: apt-get -f install02:53
Qmancardador: tried that too same outcome > segfaults02:54
cardadorQman: if it doesnt work, dpkg -i --forceoverwrite galeon-common02:54
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kapputuwhere do I get the other Ubuntu themes ?02:54
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ogranight all02:55
cardadorbye all02:55
hypa7iakapputu: gnome-look.org?02:55
g3r4rd0http://art.gnome.org02:55
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g3r4rd0gnome-look.org is better :)02:56
hypa7iahmmhmm02:57
hypa7iai will have to take a look at art.gnome.org too02:57
hypa7iathough i really love the default theme :-)02:57
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UnIDatai download packages with synaptic in my computer, how i do to install this packages in another computer ?02:59
LoptrHi people, I was in here half an hour ago with a firewire/cd-problem.. Namely I couldn't install Unbutu Linux since the probing for the CD failed.. I solved it through some dirty hwhacking.. It's not too pretty, but I managed to install it never the less. :)02:59
kapputuany recommendations for themes ?02:59
LathiatUnIData: you could copy the files in /var/cache/apt/archives then just install it and it wont re-get them02:59
LoptrHave a look at http://discord.ath.cx/linux_install.gif to see how I solved it..03:00
Lathiatif your doing it all the time, setting up an apt proxy would probably be a good idea03:00
Foxtrotwhat are the names of the server that i can use to update my ubuntu distro03:00
Foxtrot?03:00
paodo you know where I can get the "circle" gdm background?03:02
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UnIDataLathiat: i do it but when re-get i don't see the new files !03:03
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hypa7iacrazy hack there Loptr :-)03:03
ryangoddamn03:03
LathiatUnIData: What do you mean?03:03
Lathiatoh03:03
ryani have _got_ to figure out how hotplug works heh03:03
Lathiatyou have to copy them again03:03
Lathiatif you get more03:03
ryannow it even tries to load the nvsound module after i took it out of /etc/modules03:03
ryanso i deleted it03:03
ryanand it still tried to load it but of course failed03:04
sidneyso where's php5??? this is crazy03:04
ryanat least my sound is functional minus hardware mixing03:04
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Hikaru79OK, this is something that's been bugging me for a very long time =/03:04
kapputuhi hiky03:05
Hikaru79If I run smbclient -L administrator -N then this is my output: http://www.pastebin.com/11609303:05
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Hikaru79The question is, what's the correct line to add a CUPS printer that is located on administrator ?03:05
ficusplanetDoes anyone know if we will see any cool metacity/composite magic in GNOME 2.10?03:05
Hikaru79lpadmin -p LaserJetPrinter -v smb://administrator/Printer -P /root/inkjet.ppd   <-- I've tried this line, but it doesn't work... what am I doing wrong?03:05
nomasteryodaanyone here interested in politics in the US?03:06
Hikaru79It is an HP Laserjet 4P printer... is /root/inkjet.ppd the incorrect driver to use? If so, which one is correct03:06
housetier#politics are03:06
ficusplanetnomasteryoda, yup03:06
Hikaru79?03:06
sidneyso how about those php5 packages???03:06
nomasteryodaif so... just letting people know03:06
sidneycan anybody point me to where i can get them?03:06
nomasteryodaTheLinuxShow guys have a new site for politics03:06
nomasteryodaand a show on right now03:06
sidneyor a date when they will be included in ubuntu?03:06
nomasteryodaGeekPolitique03:07
Hikaru79hikaru79@ubuntu:~ $ lpadmin -p LaserJetPrinter -v smb://administrator/Printer -P /root/inkjet.ppd03:07
Hikaru79lpadmin: add-printer (set model) failed: client-error-not-found03:07
Todd_MA_1975sidney you can try http://www.dotdeb.org/03:08
sidneywill those packages work on ubuntu?03:08
Todd_MA_1975Ihaven't tried it personally - though I've heard people have had success.  YMMV03:09
yann_hi, I was wondering if you guys now a good howto about writing packages for ubuntu (or debian if it is the same?!) I am missing my favorite diff viewer... it is called meld (gtk2 based, very nice...)03:14
negativIs there any problem with using something like Ghost or Drive Image to copy an installation of Ubuntu (currently hda) to a larger drive?  The new drive will become hda, but the partitions will be larger.  Anything I should know in advance?03:15
jncnot sure03:15
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Loptrnegativ: usually it works. i've done it once with a red hat 9-system.03:15
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yann_negativ: you might want to check the gentoo forums, there have been quite a few discussion about howto moving an installation to a larger drive/partition03:16
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negativcool, I'll check it out03:16
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^Corgan^hi people03:17
^Corgan^may i ask u a question?03:17
yann_just ask!03:18
^Corgan^I installed ubuntu 4.10 WW in my Samsung NX05 and everything runs perfect except the acpi03:18
^Corgan^i mean , theres no battery indicator, no shortcuts, and i dont know if the speedstep and the suspend function work03:19
^Corgan^anybody can help me?03:19
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yann_what do you mean by no shortcuts and no battery indicator?? you mean the little icons in the upper right corner??03:20
hypa7ia^Corgan^: i'm having similar troubles myself.  i'm gonna poke around a bit on my machine, i'll tell you if i find anything :-)03:20
^Corgan^(another question this one a lil` stupid, i installed the ubuntu , but there was no choice to set a root account , so now i dunno how to put root mode xD)03:20
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^Corgan^thx hypa7ia03:21
yann_I am just done with my installation on powerbook, I have a battery indicator...03:21
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eklipseanyone know of other APT repositories I could use?03:21
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hypa7iai have one too, but it doesn't get that the battery is connected :-)03:21
^Corgan^i have the battery indicator, but it doesnt work03:21
alThor hi03:21
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alThorah jeese, brb03:22
yann_^Corgan^: then your hardware is maybe not supported... did you ask google yet?03:22
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UnIDataquit03:22
^Corgan^yes03:22
yann_what did it say?03:22
^Corgan^i tried to find an acpi for linux for my laptop , but theres not :(03:22
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hypa7iamaybe try apm?03:23
^Corgan^hey , do u know what is the default root password in the ubuntu?03:23
hypa7iaheheh03:23
yann_your user password03:23
hypa7iathere isn;t one03:23
yann_??03:23
^Corgan^im a lil bit lost XD03:23
UnIDatatype sudo03:23
yann_really? will it work with just any password03:23
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UnIDatathen type your passwd03:24
UnIDatathen type the password root and ready !03:24
^Corgan^thx unidata03:24
hypa7iayann_: it's not set by default (but not empty) but you can set it with sudo passwd03:24
hypa7iathen su03:24
UnIDatayes then su03:25
yann_thx03:25
paoCiao a tutti! (Bye all!)03:26
hypa7ialaters pao!03:26
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duartehi all!03:27
youpire03:28
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youpii don't success to have the pass root, how i can do?03:28
youpisudo doesn't run at all03:28
PizbitWhat do you mean it doesn't run at all?03:28
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duartewhere i can setup my scanner ? I don't find any menu option to setup scanners...03:29
moyotewith sudo you use your user password.03:29
youpiu told me to use # su passwd root03:29
youpibut doesn't run03:30
youpii can't do anythin to donfig, even reboot command03:30
Pizbitsudo passwd root03:30
youpidoesn't run!!!03:30
PizbitWhat do you mean it doesn't run?03:30
youpiit asks me the password03:30
youpi:))03:30
PizbitRight, your sudo password which is your normal password03:30
PizbitThen you have to give the new root password03:30
youpitell me an exemple03:30
mdzyoupi: this is answered in the FAQ03:31
mdzyoupi: which is linked from the channel topic03:31
youpino it doesn't run03:31
moyoteif I do sudo apt-get update, it then asks for my user password. After giving the password, the command is carried out.03:31
TrasMontanoyoupi: viens sur #ubuntu-fr03:31
Pizbitmdz: Just how many people have downloaded Ubuntu from the mirrors canonical runs? I'm curious since there's a fair number of people comming in here and on the local lug list trying it out03:32
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mdzPizbit: I don't have real numbers, and the person who does is asleep.  "many" would be fairly accurate :-)03:33
PizbitHahaha03:33
Pizbitmdz: Grow some more fingers and toes and count again?:)03:34
negativwhat do you mean by canonical runs?03:34
ryanfew things are as surprising as coming to one's computer to find a cow bouncing around the screen.03:34
mdznegativ: Canonical Limited is the company which sponsors Ubuntu03:34
negativah03:34
PizbitRun where my dad was born I believe.03:35
kapputuhi Pizbit03:36
PizbitMornin03:36
kapputuPizbit, are you from U.K ?03:36
PizbitNah, my dad is though03:37
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kapputuoh Canonical is in U.K ?03:37
PizbitI was born, and live in, the best city in the world.03:37
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kapputuI thought ubuntu had its base in SA03:37
negativobviously not cleveland, OH03:37
hypa7iait does, but i think Canonical may be incorporated in the UK03:38
kapputuPizbit, Buffalo, NY ?03:38
Pizbitkapputu: Hahaha, hell no03:38
PizbitWellington, New Zealand03:38
iminjParent co. (canonical) in SA .... ubuntu in the UK it seems03:38
kapputuNew Zealand, where is that ?03:38
kapputu;)03:38
yann_I am having a little problem with python, I build a program with make (runs fine), start it with ./meld (runs fine) copy it to /usr/bin/meld, run meld get an import error?! anyone?03:38
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ficusplanetyann_, How did you copy meld to /usr/bin?  With make install?03:39
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yann_ficusplanet: first with make prefix=/usr install (like the install file told me), then with just cp to see what happens, neither worked though03:40
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ficusplanetyann_, Wait, why are you installing meld that way?  It's in universe.03:43
yann_hmmm, sorry for the maybe dumb question but what is universe?03:43
yann_apt-cache search did not show meld03:43
Pizbityann_: Look in /etc/apt/sources.list and read:)03:43
ficusplanetIt is the repository that contains most of the ubuntu packages.  They are unsupported however03:43
ficusplanetIf you go to Synaptic and go to Settings>>Repositories, you can just uncomment the universe lines.03:44
ficusplanetYou'll get access to thousands of extra programs.  You can also add multiverse.03:44
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yann_ok, got it ;-) I am new to debian (comming from gentoo)03:45
yann_but gentoo is just taking to long for a notebook...03:45
nevynwhat's the difference between the multiverse and universe?03:45
hypa7iaoooh, ficusplanet, what is multiverse :-)03:45
ficusplanethypa7ia, A couple extra non-free things, I believe.03:45
ficusplanethypa7ia, flash and such03:45
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hypa7iagotcha ficusplanet03:46
alThorhello. I am pretty new to Linux (especially this distro). I am having trouble trying to figure out how to properly install drivers for my 9800xt03:46
hypa7iawhat;s a 9800xt alThor?03:47
hypa7ia:-)03:47
nevynATI radieon one would imagine..03:47
alThorheh03:47
tolstoyanyone here running xinerama?03:47
nevynbleh sp sucks.03:47
tim-txre: wireless networking -- can anyone confirm (or speculate on, or deny :)) that Ubuntu supports any particular USB wireless dongles? I have a Netgear which just-about-works with Mepis (I suspect the remaining not-working part is cockpit trouble).03:47
alThorapparently ATI and Linux = bad03:47
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nevynalThor: no nvidia and linux are bad.03:48
tim-txMA111 I think is the model number of my Netgear USB 802.11 dongle.03:48
nevynalThor: with that card you'll need ati's binary drivers tho.03:48
ryanyay i love ubuntu03:48
tolstoyI have xinerama set up.03:48
tolstoyIt works.03:48
jason_ATi is working hard to improve support03:48
jason_and Nvidia has great support for linux03:48
Pizbitnevyn: Nvidia have a much better track record with linux and their drivers than ATI03:48
tolstoyI have a gnome-panel, with the window switcher on it.03:48
tolstoyIf I move a window from one monitor to the other, the app-thing disappears.03:49
yann_very nice, now meld is working again for me!! thx again03:49
nevynPizbit: ati have a better record with actual free drivers (with the noted exception of r300 based cards03:49
tolstoyIf I have to window-switchers, one on each monitor, the app moves to the other switcher.03:49
tolstoyIs this correct?  It seems VERY wrong.03:49
jason_but they are not unified03:49
nevynPizbit: no X developers have nvidia cards.03:49
alThorI have read that the ATI drivers from ATI are bad03:49
nevynalThor: that's not that suprising. they're vendor drives.03:50
jason_nevyn why?03:50
alThorbut I guess there aren't any better ones out there...?03:50
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Pizbitnevyn: Are you referring to the official ATI drivers or the Xfree ones?03:50
nevynPizbit: both.03:50
alThorI just want ones that work03:50
nevynPizbit: at least the drivers in X.org support 3d with everything up to r200?250? based cards03:50
tolstoyfor instance, it's quite possible that if I have browser's on the right monitor on any virtual screen, i'll NEVER seem them in the switcher, if the swither is on the left monitor.03:50
nevynyou can't get 3d for nvidia cards with a TNT2 with free drivers.03:51
Pizbitnevyn: You're the first I've come across to say anything in favour of the official ATI drivers and say negative things against the NVIDIA ones, it's always been ATI = hours or days to get working and NVIDIA = minutes03:51
alThordamnit03:51
nevynI didn't say anything in favor of the official drivers.03:51
jncr200 card is the best supported 3d open source driver card for linux, period.03:51
alThorwell can anyone recommend what would be best to do?03:52
jncthe radeon 8500 and 9100 are equivillent03:52
nevynI don't consider binary drivers an option for my systems.03:52
jncdo not get the 9000 pro or the 920003:52
jason_lol03:52
jason_purist03:52
jason_why not?03:52
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nevynI said.. nvidia are less supportive of free software than ATI03:52
PizbitWhat's that got to do with anything?03:52
kapputuPizbit, do you follow crickt ?03:52
jason_maybe they will both opensource their drivers someday03:53
Pizbitkapputu: Nope03:53
nevynjason_: not likely.03:53
kapputuis it not popular in NZ ?03:53
jason_why not use binary drivers?03:53
nevynjason_: why not use windows XP?03:53
Pizbitkapputu: It's popular, I just don't follow sport03:53
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jnc;)03:53
jncbinary only drivers = crashy03:53
jncyou might wax theorhetical on me about it, but i've used them03:53
jncthey crash. end of line.03:53
nevynjason_: because I spent a day about a week ago tracking down a problem on a linux box that turned out to be a binary adaptec sata "raid" driver03:54
shaverman03:54
yann_is there a way of using Xorg-X11 instead of XFree86?03:54
PizbitEh, this is going the flam way, sod this discussion!03:54
Pizbiter, flame03:54
jason_yann_ soon03:54
jason_soon03:54
jason_it will be in Hoary final for sure03:54
jncyann_: if you find out, um, you want XOrg-x11 6.8.0 or newer03:54
jncthe improvements are amazing03:54
jason_indeed03:54
yann_yeah I know..03:55
jncgdm works nicer, is one visible improvement03:55
yann_I got it up and running on my gentoo box03:55
jncthere are some downsides in stability but that is mostly due to the changes in the input layer03:55
jason_xcomposites03:55
yann_with xfce4.203:55
jncyou can get around that by using the new evdev layer03:55
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jason_with xcompmgr03:55
jnci do run the xcompmgr, but i turn off shadows and trans03:55
jncoccasionally it gets confused by openbox3 WM03:56
jncand i end up with incorrect visuals03:56
yann_well it works pretty good for me. some rendering errors here and there, but overall it just looks nice with the windows having shadows!!03:56
jnci don't know who is at fault there, but it's not like it crashes or affects usability greatly03:56
jncyeah03:56
jncchanged the way i saw my computer screen03:57
jncslowed it down too much though03:57
jnci'm also doing audio rendering and production on this box03:57
jnci can't have some pretty candy sucking up 27% cpu resources03:57
yann_really? I have a nvidia card and hardware acceleration turned on!!03:57
yann_so no difference03:57
jncah03:57
jnci didn't know that made a difference03:57
jnci've got a r250 ATI card ( radeon pro 9000 )03:58
jncpiece of junk ;)03:58
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jnci wish i had a 9100 or an 850003:58
yann_well I do not now about ATI cards but nvidia works really nice03:58
hypa7iai've got a radeon mobility 970003:59
hypa7iaworked well with fedora and xorg 6.703:59
yann_right now your system has to "drop the shadows" but with the hardware accelaration your ATI/Nvidia does that03:59
hypa7iahave yet to install the binary drivers tho03:59
yann_so that is really fast! that is the same way MacOS X does it04:00
nevynyann_: actually macosX does it in software on cards withoutn textureshaders.04:01
nevynand it's still feels fast04:01
nevynof course there are a number of reasons for this.04:02
yann_really? did not now that04:02
shaveryou don't need pixel shaders to HW-accelerate dropshadows04:02
nevyna important one is that macos can trigger redraws on vsync04:02
nevynso when you drag a window it never "tears" the way X does.04:03
yann_well with xorg-x11 that is gone too04:03
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yann_they use some double bufferd thingy (no clue how it works, I am just no grafix guy)04:03
nevynthat's what macos does.04:04
yann_ok, got to go to sleep now, it is 4 o'clock in the morning and I am supposed to be at college at about 9 o'clock.... I guess that wont work ;-)04:04
nevyndouble buffer and flip on vsync.04:04
jdubi don't believe xorg does redraw-on-vsync yet04:04
yann_ok, night guys04:05
jdubmight have missed it, but i'm reasonably sure it doesn't so far04:05
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nevynI didn't think it did either ..04:05
tsengjdub: mxpxpod sent me a modded tomboy pkg to use the new jimmac icon04:05
jdubtseng: how did he change it?04:05
tsengjdub: in the source, not sure04:06
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jdubtseng: bong :-)04:06
jdubtseng: wait for upstream :-)04:06
tsengya04:06
tsengjust playing04:06
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tsengthe killer bit will still be e-d-s support04:07
jdubi'd love to see networked tomboy wikis ;)04:07
jdubp2p and client/server04:07
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tsengp2p?04:07
tsengi envision it a little different04:08
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tsengphp or what have you wiki on the server04:08
tsengand tomboy has an actions -> publish04:08
jdubyeah, that'd be client/server04:08
jason_why isn't mythtv in any of the repositories?04:08
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tsengwhy p2p04:08
jdubp2p would let you share tomboy wiki bits without the server04:08
[vE] FatManhey guys, can anyone help me out04:08
[vE] FatManim new to linux04:08
jdubtseng: have you ever used subethaedit?04:08
[vE] FatManlet alone ubunut04:09
[vE] FatManubuntu*04:09
tsengjdub: nosir04:09
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jdubtseng: google it ;)04:09
jay__someone mind helping me, i am running ubuntu on ppc 17in04:09
jay__oops04:09
jdubtseng: p2p tomboy would be like a high granularity (per-page) subethaedit04:09
jay__powerbook 17in04:09
jay__freezes in about 5min after login04:09
Dekkardhmmm04:10
jason_I will if you lend me that powerbook for a few days ;)04:10
jdubjason_: looks like it's in multiverse04:10
jason_j/k04:10
[vE] FatManhey, can someone help me with sata support with ubuntu?04:10
[vE] FatMan....04:10
tsengjdub: bong04:10
jason_whats the url for multiverse?04:10
jason_I have SATA04:10
jdubtseng: subethaedit is *awesome*04:10
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jay__freezes in about 5min after login04:10
tsengjdub: going that route, it could even tie in with planner04:10
jdubjason_: same as the rest04:10
tsengjdub: collaborative todo + scheduling04:10
jdubtseng: mmm :)04:10
jason_k04:10
[vE] FatManoh wow!04:10
[vE] FatManit is working04:11
[vE] FatManomg!!04:11
[vE] FatManhahaha04:11
jay__anyone04:11
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[vE] FatMani love you guys04:11
tsengjdub: with an e-d-s backend ?04:11
tseng:)04:11
[vE] FatManeven though you did nothing04:11
[vE] FatMani love you04:11
[vE] FatMan:-*04:11
[vE] FatManmwah! to everyone04:11
jnc[vE] FatMan: interesting04:11
[vE] FatManthanks!04:11
jnci still cannot get my optical SATA Drive to work04:11
jncPlextor 712-SA04:11
Dekkardjay__ possibly because it hasmt been ported yet04:11
jncdoesn't do a darn thing with *nix04:11
jay__Dekkhard there is a ppc version04:12
JoeBhello folks.. does ubuntu have facilities similar to FC2 to keep it updated? (like yum -y update)04:12
jay__can ubuntu run on newer hardware for ppc04:12
bratscheDoes spam filtering work for anyone here using Evolution 2.0 on Ubuntu?04:12
DekkardJoeB its sudo apt-get update04:12
jdubJoeB: run synaptic (gui), or use aptitude or apt-get (cli)04:12
bratscheI installed spamassassin and spamd is running.04:13
Dekkardthan sudo apt-get upgrade04:13
jay__my 17in powerbook freezes04:13
bratscheAnd I turned on the spam filtering in the Evolution mail setup.04:13
JoeBthank you!04:13
bratscheBut it's not filtering spam.04:13
tsengbratsche: that uses spamassassin04:13
tsengbratsche: which isnt in warty/main04:13
jdubbratsche: there have been a number of reports of this on the list, and solutions -> i htink you have to make it listen or something in /etc/default/spamassassin04:13
bratscheI installed it from universe.04:13
Dekkardjay__ from what ive gathered in here , ubuntu isnt quite ready for primetime on newer ibook/powerbooks04:14
bratschejdub: Someone told me to add --local to the flags in /etc/default/spamassassin - I did this and restarted spamd, but that didn't work. :/04:14
jay__i have the 17in 1ghz04:14
jay__not that new04:14
bob2Dekkard: it works great on new ibooks04:14
bob2except for wireless, which is broadcom's fault04:14
Dekkardreally?04:14
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bratschejdub: Does it work for you?04:14
jay__bob2: any clue why mine freezes up04:15
bob2Dekkard: sleep will even hopefully work in the next couple of weeks04:15
[vE] FatManhey guys, does setting up ubuntu on a sata drive take a long time?04:15
bob2[vE] FatMan: no longer than any other type of disk04:15
jncis water wet?04:15
bob2jay__: nvidia?04:15
jay__yes04:15
jnchow about ubuntu water, is that wet?04:15
[vE] FatManmine seems to be stuck on scanning disks at 41%04:15
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bob2jay__: file a bug, I guess...04:16
jnc[vE] FatMan: sata takes about 14 minutes to time out04:16
bob2[vE] FatMan: did you check the iso before starting the install?04:16
jncjust be patient04:16
jncyou can fix that slowness later04:16
[vE] FatManok04:16
jnci.e. if a channel is unused it freaks out and takes forever to time out04:16
jay__i just blew out my osx partition for nothing :(04:16
youpihi how to read on dv/fd0?04:16
youpihi how to read on /dev/fd0?04:16
bob2jay__: file a bug04:16
jncyoupi: erm... it's the floppy device04:17
[vE] FatManso, will this sata hd work as fast in ubuntu as it does in windows?04:17
[vE] FatManor will it be slow as hell04:17
jnci don't think there's a man page for it04:17
jay__ok i can do that but what do i do in the meantime04:17
jnc[vE] FatMan: hell is where the bad people go04:17
[vE] FatManlol04:17
youpijnc i must do ls /floppy instead?04:17
jnci don't know04:17
jay__i am using ubuntu on i386 but i would rather be on apple hardware04:17
jnci don't have ubuntu anywhere yet04:17
bob2Dekkard: please don't /msg people...just ask in here04:17
jay__dunno why just personal perference04:18
Dekkardk bob04:18
bob2youpi: "mount /floppy"04:18
Dekkardwhich ibooks?04:18
bob2Dekkard: ubuntu on my ibook g4 is great, except for the lack of wireless and sleep04:18
bob2sleep should be fixed very soon04:18
Dekkardhow about wireless?04:18
[vE] FatManso, jnc, your saying this thing being stuck on 41% on "starting the partioner" will eventually keep going?04:18
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youpihow to read on /dev/fd0? ls /dev/fd0 does nothing ( i mount it i can write on it but i cannot read it)04:18
[vE] FatManit just takes a really long time..04:18
bob2bratsche: airport extreme will probably not work until broadcom get their heads out of their arses04:19
bob2youpi: yes, you have to mount it.  mount /floppy.04:19
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jay__where do i file the bug04:19
nevynjdub: wd04:19
Dekkardpersonally.. so far anyway, im pretty happy with my first week of osX04:19
bob2jay__: /topic04:19
youpibob2 no i have, I DID  it, and i cannopt read it because i can write on it04:19
[vE] FatManthis install is still stuck at "scanning disks, 41%"04:20
bob2youpi: no, those two clauses are not related.  if you want to read and write files on it, do not touch /dev/fd004:20
jay__in the wiki04:20
Dekkardim going to try some fink stuff i think04:20
kapputujdub is jeff waugh ?04:20
kapputuhmm ok04:20
youpii must do cp /floppy instead on /dev/fd0?04:20
bob2kapputu: the one and only04:20
bob2youpi: what are you trying to do?04:20
kapputurelated to Steve Waugh by any chance ?04:20
youpibob2 save the log erro on floppy04:20
Dekkardor ben waugh?04:20
kapputuor Mark Waugh04:21
youpibob2 save the log error on floppy and read it after on linux and windows04:21
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hypa7ianite all04:22
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bob2youpi: mount /floppy ; cp /var/log/whatever /floppy04:22
[vE] FatManjnc: how long does this take? it has been on "scanning disks" at 41% for like 10 minutes now04:22
mdz[vE] FatMan: it takes about 5 seconds typically04:23
jay__NO FAIR!!!04:23
jay__:(04:23
[vE] FatManman04:23
[vE] FatManmdz: then what is wrong?04:23
youpiok bob204:23
mdz[vE] FatMan: not enough information to say04:23
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mdz[vE] FatMan: you might try booting with "noapic", and if that doesn't work, "pci=noacpi", and see if that makes a difference04:23
[vE] FatManmdz: well, im installing ubuntu onto a maxtor 80gb sata hd on an asus p4s800d mobo04:24
[vE] FatManmdz: aight, lemme give it a shot04:24
mdz[vE] FatMan: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=133404:24
mdz[vE] FatMan: that sounds very much like your problem; that's an SiS chipset, right?04:25
jnc[vE] FatMan: it took about 16 minutes04:25
jay__anyone known ones for my problem04:25
[vE] FatManyeah04:25
[vE] FatMansis 18004:25
[vE] FatManchipset04:25
kapputuabsolutely weird04:26
kapputuOpenoffice was not starting yesterday04:26
kapputuand I haven't restarted my machine04:27
kapputuand now it's working perfectly04:27
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kapputuhi poyayan04:28
poyayanyo how's it going kapputu?04:28
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kapputugood04:28
kapputuhow was ur day04:28
poyayangood but tomorrow and wednesday is gonna stink04:29
adoyretsamonas in politics04:29
adoyretsamonstink04:29
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shaverI need to learn how to make debian packages04:30
shavergod04:30
shaverthis feels like 1994 all over again04:30
poyayanlol04:30
adoyretsamonlol04:30
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tolstoyfolks, what's the preferred way to set the default kernel?  Just installed the smp kernel, but it boot up!04:31
jay__ugh froze again04:31
jay__:(04:31
jay__time to go to yellowdog04:32
jay__:(04:32
nomasteryodaouch04:32
youpiis there only 1 source for source.list ?04:32
binary_10yellowdog?04:32
tolstoylooks like you have to edit menu.lst, I guess, to change the "default"04:32
jay__binary_10: linux for ppc04:33
poyayanso is ubuntu on the ppc crashing for you jay?04:33
binary_10ooh04:33
binary_10amost sounds racist :X04:33
jay__poy: it locks up04:33
poyayanduring boot up or randomly?04:33
nomasteryodacheck cables04:34
jay__after about 5 min of use i have to hardboot it04:34
poyayanhmm that's not cool04:34
jay__very uncool04:34
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jay__any ppc users out here04:35
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elipse|wantsanAi'm  trying to compile something in ubuntu04:36
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elipse|wantsanAbut i dont know where the C header files for my kernel are04:36
elipse|wantsanAi looked in /usr/src04:36
jay__anyone?04:37
poyayanshamefully I am not04:37
poyayanand my roommate hasn't tried ubuntu on his ibook yet04:37
poyayanhe has used yellowdog before04:38
elipse|wantsanA:'(04:38
poyayanbut it tends to be too slow and he avoids it unless he's using the Gimp04:38
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jay__woohoo ppc ubuntu definately not ready04:40
eladiohelp.. can't figure out wireless connection installation in ubuntu... need guidance04:40
jay__EXT3-fs error (device hda3) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted04:41
shaverthat sounds like a hardware problem04:41
jdubjay__: there's quite a few people using it on ppc already...04:42
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jdubjay__: i'm using it on an old ibook toilet seat04:42
jay__jdub: any clue how to fix the lockups04:42
shaverjdub: where would I look for 1.1.whatever packages in the devel world?04:42
eladioi'm using linksys wpc11 version 3 on ibm thinkpad t2304:42
jdubjay__: nup04:42
jdubshaver: hrm?04:42
jdubshaver: oh, mono?04:42
shaversorry04:42
shaveryeah04:42
shavermy context is spread across like 5 channels04:42
jdubdon't think anyone's packaged them yet04:43
shaverah, OK04:43
shaverI thought you said they were in hoary04:43
shaverbut maybe that was optimistic-prediction04:43
jdubthey might be in hoary soon :)04:43
shaverand not current-description04:43
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shaver1.1.2 tomorrow04:43
kapputuhmm can I print to a remote printer in linux ?04:43
shaverI'll build from CVS, make sure they work04:43
shaverI know _zero_ about debian packaging04:43
shaverso I don't know if I can help much there04:43
nevynkapputu: sure.04:43
kapputuI need to print to a printer in school04:44
kapputuhow do I do that ?04:44
nevynkapputu: what nos does school run?04:44
jdubshaver: that's good feedback to start though :)04:44
kapputumy guess is solaris04:44
kapputuwould it help if I connected to school through vpn ?04:44
nevynmaybe.04:45
nevynit's a unix printer?04:45
kapputuyeah04:45
nevyncopy the postscript to your shell and print it there?04:45
kapputuhmm could do that04:46
nomasteryodaif it has an IP address...which you can see from home you should be able to do it04:46
kapputubut looking for a better way if there is one04:46
nomasteryodaipp04:46
nevynjdub: ubuntu uses cups ?04:46
shaverroot      2094  0.0  0.0  2524  432 pts/0    D+   22:45   0:00 rmmod sbp204:46
shaversigh.04:46
jdubnevyn: yeah04:47
nevynkapputu: is there an install printer thingy that'll let you install a remote lpd printer?04:47
jdubcomputer > system configuration > printing04:48
nevynjdub: thanks ;)04:48
kapputuhow do I know what the host is ?04:49
kapputuor how do I find out ?04:50
nevynkapputu: on the remote unix host read /etc/printcap ?04:50
jay__how do i stop ubuntu from booting into x04:51
jay__its all nice and pretty for 3 min04:51
jay__:(04:51
jay__then kaput04:52
kapputujay__, what ?04:52
kapputunevyn, it has a printers.conf, no printcap04:52
jay__i mean dead, die, kaput04:52
nevynjay__: grep default /etc/inittab04:52
kapputuwhy should I die04:52
kapputu?04:52
jay__its set to 2 nevyn04:52
jay__ugh never mind kaputu04:52
kapputuam sorry04:52
erwajay__; try "update-rc.d gdm remove"04:53
nevynjay__: mv /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm /etc/rc2.d/K99gdm04:53
nevynthat works too.04:53
nevynI just screw with the files.04:53
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kapputunevyn, it probably uses BSD04:54
nevynprinters.conf??? isn't that a cups thing?04:54
kapputuno clue04:55
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nevynprinters.conf is a cups thing. so the remote system is using cups so you add a remote cups printer with the details of the path to that machine.04:55
kapputuI have never setup printers before04:55
nevynhangon..04:55
nevynyou logged in to the remote system right. not your machine. the school one.04:55
kapputuyeah04:56
kapputui can see all the printers I print to04:56
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kapputu cathy:\04:56
kapputu        :bsdaddr=jeeves,cathy:04:56
kapputucathy is the name of one of the printers04:56
tolstoyI just tried to boot the SMP kernel for warty, got several errors: ich2rom couldn't be loaded.04:57
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tolstoyA bunch of device-mapper : dm-linear : device lookup failure.04:57
tolstoyWhat's that mean?04:57
tolstoyi686-smp kernel, 2.6.7, I think.04:58
tolstoyAnd then X wouldn't start, and no keyboard.04:58
tolstoyDoes this mean no SMP kernel for warty?04:59
tolstoyI also turned off hyperthreading just to see: no difference.04:59
tolstoyalas! And no one here.  Damn. ;)05:02
nevynhrm05:02
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kapputunevyn any ideas ?05:03
nevynkapputu: it strikes me as pretty straightforward.05:04
nevynkapputu: ipp://schoolunixbox/cathy/05:05
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tolstoywow. smp on hyperthreading p4: major messed up kernel!05:09
Se7hmy rhythmbox wont play mp305:09
Se7ho.005:10
draconianwhy won't Savage work in Ubuntu?05:10
tolstoySe7h, you might try looking at the wiki: some info about how to fix that there.05:10
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imnesAny tried RealPlayer 10 for Linux?05:10
imnesIs it avaialble in the ubuntu packages?05:10
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thecyclopsWhat would you all say is the most user friendly Linux OS.....somthing you would feel comfortable giving to a parent to use?05:11
thecyclopsIm building a box for my family05:11
elipse|wantsanAi dont know05:11
elipse|wantsanAubuntu is not it05:11
pretzAnyone have any luck getting Belkin 6050 usb wireless working with ubuntu?05:11
imnesNot free, but linspire is good.05:11
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thecyclopswhat is linspire based off of....Red Hat, or debian?05:13
Sensebenddebian05:13
nevyndebian but we don't like to admit it ;)05:13
SensebendI believe05:13
pretzSo is anyone here using any wireless with Ubuntu?05:14
thecyclopsha05:14
nevynpretz: there's stuff in the faq on wireless...05:14
eladiopretz.. i'm trying.. i can't get the wlan0 module to show up when i run iwconfig wlan0.05:14
eladiopretz.. do you know how to make it find wlan005:14
pretznevyn, I looked in the faq but saw little.05:15
pretzeladio: i have the same problem. nothing in wlan005:15
eladiowhen i do iwconfig wlan0 i get wlan0 no such device.05:15
dasenjoHi .. how are you ?05:15
dasenjoIm confused with the wikis ..05:16
pretzeladio, yup! It is not there. I fear there is a lot of work needed, like downloading a driver, and building it into the kernel.05:16
eladiothe documentaion is all scattered and I can't figure out how to work this..05:16
eladiopretz.. what files have you modified in trying to get wireless to work?05:16
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dasenjoDo I have to resister in ubuntulinux/wiki and in wiki.ubuntu.com  to be a Mantainer Candidate ?05:17
strestout1_pretz: im using wireless05:17
imnesI'm having a weird problem in ubuntu, keyboard dies.  On a toshiba laptop, I think it's a 2.6 kernel issue, anyone know where I should report the bug?05:17
imnesI've tried disabling ACPI / APM and it still happens so I'm not sure what else to try to resolve it.05:18
pretzI spent several days on-and-off fooling around with it but on Mandrake, knoppix, fedora, and a bit on suse. I looked only briefly at ubuntu but since it is the most recent release and since I like it a lot in other areas I was tempted to work on wireless on ubuntu.05:18
shaverman05:19
shaverI wish there were an alternatives thing for gcc05:19
strestout1_pretz: what wifi card do u have?05:19
pretzI did get close on one of those distributions but only after the USB wireless was initialized by Windows. That is a very useful datapoint but I'm not about to boot Windows every time before booting Linux.05:20
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tolstoyimnes, i'd go with https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com05:20
imnesok05:20
tolstoyimnes, I'm having similar probs with a 686-smp kernel.  #1585.05:21
pretzstrestout1_: Not a card. A Belkin FD6050 USB wireless AP.05:21
strestout1_aaaah...then im not sure05:21
strestout1_i just setup my wifi card on my ubuntu system today05:21
pretzstrestout1_, lots of info on wifi cards, it is the usb factor that seems to be the complication05:22
strestout1_yeah...i've even run into problems with usb stuff on windows05:22
pretzstrestout1_ - you really mean a card, not usb device?05:22
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jay__o well i give in back to osx on powerbook05:23
pretzHello Jay, looks like another Jersey fellow.05:23
jay__yep05:24
strestout1_looks like it uses the amtel chipset pretz05:24
pretzyes, that's the one. And I have tried the newere amtel driver but not much luck.05:24
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pretzoops, managed to close the window by accident05:26
eladiohi strestout1.. i'm trying to configure my wpc11 linksys pc wireless card.. when i try iwconfig wlan0, it says it is not found.. do you know how to load the module?05:26
Sensebendmodprobe modulename05:26
Sensebendas root05:26
Sensebendor with sudo05:26
strestout1_pretz: maybe this will help? http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=11300&max_rows=25&style=nested&viewmonth=20030305:26
strestout1_eladio: sudo modprobe modulename05:27
strestout1_eladio: are you using the drivers from here: http://www.linux-wlan.com/linux-wlan/index.html05:29
pretzMartin, thanks, I had not seen that list05:29
pretzOff to bed, nice chatting with you all. Bill05:30
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Se7htolstoy cant find anything about it05:31
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eladiostrestout1... did you have to install pcmcia-cs or was all you needed the one CD warty warthog.. do i need to download some extra files05:32
tolstoyIs it possible for the kernel to ruin a usb wireless mouse?05:32
tolstoySe7h, hold on.05:32
strestout1_well eladio, my wifi card had no linux drivers so i had to use ndiswrapper with the windows drivers05:33
Se7hk05:33
strestout1_eladio: read this: ftp://ftp.linux-wlan.org/pub/linux-wlan-ng/README05:33
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tolstoySe7h, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats05:33
eladiostrestout1: ndiswrapper.. so i have to download this as well as linux-wlan..05:34
strestout1_not sure about ur card...looks like u have linux drivers so it should work if u install the linux-wlan drivers05:35
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Se7haaaah05:36
Se7hmany thanks tolstoy05:36
strestout1_eladio: u could always just install ndiswrapper and copy ur .inf and .sys files to somewhere on ur ubuntu install (i put mine in /etc/network05:37
strestout1_i actually found that apart from building drivers into the kernel, ndiswrapper is quite easy to use to install wifi drivers05:38
JoeBubuntu doesn't install kernel sources by default?05:38
strestout1_no05:38
eladiomy inf and sys from windows drivers.. i will download ndiswrapper and get the inf and sys driver..05:38
strestout1_theres a simple how to on ndiswrapper in the ubuntu wiki05:38
strestout1_all u really need to do is sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils05:38
strestout1_i didnt have to apt-get linux-image at all05:39
strestout1_once that's done, do ndiswrapper -i foobar.inf (where foobar.inf is the location of ur .inf file)05:39
strestout1_the sudo modprobe ndiswrapper05:39
strestout1_and mess with /etc/network/interfaces as you wish05:40
eladiook.. i'm trying to apt-get ndiswrapper-utils right now.05:40
strestout1_then u could ifup wlan0 or activate it via computer --> system prefs --> network05:40
strestout1_brb05:43
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Nafallohow stable is hoary considered to be?05:45
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Adrenaloj05:46
Adrenal*ok05:46
jdubNafallo: it's okay at the moment05:46
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Adrenalwhy is ubuntu better then fedora?05:46
jdubNafallo: but it's going to get interesting quickly :-)05:46
Gmailhey Adrenal05:46
bur[n] erbecause apt is cooler than yum05:46
jay__well it works on my dual 1.25ghz G4 powermac05:46
Adrenalwassup?05:46
bur[n] er:)05:46
jay__so i guess thats a plus05:46
GmailAdrenal: ask away05:47
jdubAdrenal: it's different. up to you if it's better or not.05:47
Adrenalwhat has it got though05:47
Adrenallike05:47
tim-txAdrenal: there's no Fedora Live CD :)05:47
bur[n] ergood work jdub, dont' feed the trolls ;)05:47
Adrenali relise apt is awesome05:47
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Nafallojdub: hehe. I'm considering to make a step forward and learn some bugfixing/programming :-).05:47
Adrenalcos it does dependiencies05:47
Nafallojdub: hoary should be better suited than warty for that purpose :-P.05:48
GmailAdrenal: ubuntu send you free cds05:48
PizbitAdrenal: Well, from anecdotal evidence, it is far stabler and, well, simpler cooler;)05:48
jdubAdrenal: as does rpm (used by apt4rpm, yum, up2date, etc)05:48
bur[n] erspeaking of bugfixing... i see on the wiki a way to help is to help choose the default apps to be included in ubuntu... how would one go about this?  I want to see gparted included!05:48
Gmaili order a lot spare i can send you one when i get my lot give me your address05:48
Adrenalhmm05:48
Adrenalgive my address to a stranger?05:49
Adrenallet me think05:49
Adrenalnah dude, maybe in a few months05:49
jdubGmail: i'm sure Adrenal can order some for him/herself05:49
PizbitHahaha05:49
Adrenalbut fedora is easy, i wanna learn how to use linux on this05:49
GmailAdrenal: order from shipit.ubuntulinux.org if it not to late05:49
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GmailAdrenal: ubuntu is easier05:49
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nevynAdrenal: order a copy play with fedora untill it arrives?05:49
jdubAdrenal: what do your friends use?05:50
nevynjdub: shipit is REALLY REALLY cool btw.05:50
Gmailremeber in the installer enter, enter, enter, enter, take out cd done05:50
nevynverified pressed media :)05:50
WWHello world.05:50
Adrenalmy friends use windows05:50
NafalloAdrenal: does fedora have a livecd?05:50
SensebendAdrenal, try a bunch of distros and find one that you like.05:50
nevynI had a bad experience with fedora media this week.05:50
tim-txAdrenal: why not download the live CD and play with it?05:50
WWAny "restructured text" experts out there?05:50
Adrenali've tried fedora and mandrake05:50
jay__wow ubuntu smokes on a dual processor box05:50
Adrenali believe mandrake should be renamed manrape05:50
jay__very fast05:50
Gmailtry the live cd Adrenal05:50
PizbitWW: I'm curious, what the heck is "restructured text"?05:51
SensebendI've ran Debian Woody, Sarge, Fedora Core 2, Mandrake 10.1, Gentoo 1.2004, Knoppix-STD, FreeBSD05:51
shaverjdub: mono 1.1.2 is a go on warty/amd6405:51
SensebendFinally settled on Ubuntu05:51
NafalloAdrenal: otherwize you could always try the livecd, it's like knoppix. put it in and enjoy :-).05:51
WWPizbit: A markup language.05:51
WWPizbit: wiki stuff.05:51
Adrenalnah05:51
Pizbitah05:51
strestout1_bur[n] er : i agree...and ubuntu needs a samba frontend05:51
jdubshaver: cool05:51
shaverI mean05:51
shaveruh05:51
nevynWW:  I've use a bit of LaTeX...05:51
shaverI'm guessing, because of course it's not _out_ yet05:52
shaverso I couldn't have it!05:52
jdubshaver: 8)05:52
GmailAdrenal: you have the offpeak leechtime use it05:52
shaveretc.05:52
WWnevyn: Me too, but "rest" is not related (other than being a markup language!)05:52
nevyn:)05:52
Adrenalbut, what are its best features?05:53
GmailAdrenal: it Just works (tm)05:54
Gmailuserfriendlyness05:54
Adrenallol05:54
Gmailgnome05:54
Adrenalgnome is God05:54
Adrenalkde sucks05:55
Gmailthe really made gnome a lot more better05:55
nevynhrm05:55
strestout1_i think what sets ubuntu apart from fedora is that ubuntu uses certain things by default which makes it more userfriendly05:55
nevynkdevelop and k3b are the bomb tho...05:55
bur[n] erstrestout1_: isn't nautilus a samba frontend?05:55
Gmailbur[n] er: yes it is05:55
strestout1_such as sudo, dbus/hal, better setup menus, newer kernel, cleaner install, less clutter, minimalist packages, etc05:55
strestout1_yes bur[n] er but i mean to change samba preferences05:56
GmailAdrenal: udev, auto mounting.... 6 months relests05:56
Gmaillook at the wiki05:56
strestout1_not just to browse dirs05:56
bur[n] erright click, share?05:56
GmailAdrenal: <strestout1_> such as sudo, dbus/hal, better setup menus, newer kernel, cleaner install, less clutter, minimalist packages, etc05:56
strestout1_:-D05:57
Adrenalsounds good05:57
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Adrenalcan u do graphic eye candy though05:57
Adrenallike transperency and such05:57
jdubAdrenal: not real transparency, no.05:57
jason_soon05:57
bur[n] eryou will be able too when x.org is packaged up05:57
tim-txAdrenal: there are a ton of screenshots online at Osdir.com05:57
jdubAdrenal: perhaps for the next release. that stuff is not stable yet.05:57
jason_with x.org 6.805:57
bur[n] ers/too/to05:57
strestout1_xorg is stable if u ask me05:58
Adrenalyeh05:58
jason_yeah I'd agree to05:58
jason_too05:58
jason_*05:58
Adrenaluses a lot of system resources though05:58
jdubstrestout1_: the composite stuff is not regarded as stable.05:58
Adrenaltransperency that is05:58
strestout1_i think the problem is more with making it stable for debian systems than just it being stable05:58
jason_no it doesn't use a lot of resources05:58
jason_it uses less05:58
Adrenaltransperency?05:58
Adrenaluses heaps05:58
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jason_much less with composites enabled05:58
Gmailjason_ is right05:58
jdubstrestout1_: stability is nothing to do with why it's not in debian yet :)05:58
jason_because it uses the GPU05:58
nevyndefinitions of stable vary..05:59
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jason_debian is slow to change package sets05:59
jason_even on their unstable tree05:59
jdubjason_: not usually.06:00
jason_well where is x.org?06:00
jdubjason_: at the moment, there is a freeze on uploads of major subsystems so that sarge can be released.06:00
jdubthus, no GNOME 2.8 or x.org.06:00
jason_ahh06:00
jason_ic06:00
bur[n] erkde is pretty updated though06:00
bur[n] er3.3.1 is on sid06:00
jason_yeah06:00
jason_why isn't it in universe yet?06:00
jdubbur[n] er: which annoyed pretty much everyone involved.06:00
jdubjason_: universe froze in late june.06:01
strestout1_they should have included 2.8 and x.org in there06:01
bur[n] erhaving new kde annoyed people?06:01
PizbitIt'll be in there for hoary eh?06:01
strestout1_those are major changes, but welcome changes imho06:01
stuNNedwhat's the difference between `apt-get upgrade` and `apt-get dist-upgrade` ?06:01
bur[n] erdist-upgrade gets packages that have new dependencies06:01
jason_having KDE updates over Gnome updates annoy people06:01
jdubstrestout1_: they can't have GNOME 2.8 and x.org in sid due to the sarge freeze. nothing to do with welcome changes.06:01
bur[n] erand/or require packages to be removed06:01
stuNNedbur[n] er, danke06:02
jdubbur[n] er: because they broke the freeze.06:02
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jason_when will sarge be released as stable?06:02
bur[n] erunderstandable06:02
jdubdunno06:02
bur[n] erjason_: that's a #debian question ;)06:02
jdubbut please stop postulating about everything else...06:02
strestout1_jdub: i understand...and thats y i prefer ubuntu over debian06:02
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bur[n] eranyone familiar with ipw2100 module?06:05
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jay__where does ubuntu keep apache2 server root06:09
Nafallojay__: /etc/apache2?06:09
bur[n] er/var/www ?06:09
Nafallobur[n] er: that would be DocumentRoot? :-)06:10
jay__k its in /var06:10
bur[n] eroh right06:10
bur[n] erguess he'll figure it out06:10
Nafallobur[n] er: ho COULD read the conf :-P06:11
Nafallos/ho/he/06:11
bur[n] ershould have told jay__ to cat /etc/apache/httpd.conf |grep ServerRoot06:12
bur[n] eroh well06:12
Nafallo:-)06:12
bur[n] eron that note... where would be the best place to put a script that i want to run after system startup?  .xinitrc?06:12
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bur[n] eri need to rmmod the ipw2100 module, then modprobe it06:12
bur[n] erright now... i log in, then run ./fixwireless as my first command which is my simple script06:13
Nafalloeasier to grep ServerRoot /etc/apache2/apache2.conf though :-)06:13
bur[n] erhrm, i've never done a grep like that ;)  guess i should06:13
ionrockI am compiling my kernel from scratch and I got an error after doing so regarding a vfs panic. I read a little bit about making sure my filesystem is compiled into the kernel but does anyone have a better resource for learning what the error means and how to fix it?06:14
Nafallobur[n] er: yea, doesn't grep an empty file either :-P06:14
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poyayanwhat filesystem are you using?06:14
ionrockreiser06:15
Nafallobur[n] er: put the script in /etc/init.d and update-rc.d?06:15
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TheMusoionrock: Did you create an initrd image?06:15
ionrockTheMuso, actually I did but it still didn't work06:16
poyayandid you compile in ext3 with the kernel?06:16
bur[n] erwell, i think that may be too early?  that's my problem now... i have ipw2100 in /etc/modules, but that is too early i am guessing06:16
bur[n] erext3 for reiser? wtf?06:16
bur[n] erwhy would that be necessary?06:16
WWbur[n] er: wtf = Why That Filesystem?06:17
bur[n] erexactly ;)06:17
ionrockI am trying compiling them both into the kernel along with cramfs06:17
TheMusoionrock: Did you use the Ubuntu kernel source?06:17
ionrockTheMuso, no I am using a vanilla kernel06:17
poyayanwell it's just that a vfs error occurs during boot if you have anything except ext3 as your / filesystem06:17
poyayanwell for ubuntu06:17
TheMusoionrock: I think that is part of the problem. I know initrd uses cramfs, but there may be another patch that the Ubuntu devs included that may be the difference.06:18
poyayanso I'm guessing it's something along those lines06:18
ionrockpoyayan, I use reiser with my ubuntu kernel too06:18
TheMusoionrock: How did you create the initrd?06:18
ionrockTheMuso, hopefully it will work this time ;) I am going to try it without the initrd image first also b/c I never used on in the past and never had any trouble06:19
Nafalloionrock: AFAIK vanilla can't use cramfs on initrd without a kernel patch.06:19
TheMusoionrock: Do you know how to build a kernel the Debian/Ubuntu way?06:19
Nafalloionrock: apt-get install linux-source kernel-package && man make-kpkg06:20
Nafallo:-)06:20
ionrockTheMuso, yeah but I never really saw the point of doing it that way.06:20
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TheMusoionrock: You can automatically create packages from your kernel, so you can keep them if you need them again later.06:21
ionrockit always ended up being a pain for me compared to doing normally06:21
TheMusoionrock: Also, it will do the initrd for you.06:21
ionrockTheMuso, I will try it if this doesn't work out06:21
stuNNedwill wpa_supplicant every be added to Ubuntu?06:21
TheMusoionrock: How? Just one single command.06:21
Nafalloionrock: strange, for me that way was a relief :-).06:21
TheMusoNafallo: Agreed.06:21
TheMusoEven for 2.6 kernels.06:22
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ionrockyeah I know, I told you I was missing something about it ;)06:22
shaverhrm06:22
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ionrockwhat is so strange is that I am doing this to see if I can stop my system clock from speeding up when my cpu is working hard06:22
Nafalloionrock: you SEEM to be missing a booting computer atm :-P06:23
ionrocknaw I have ubuntu on my laptop and extra box06:23
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ionrockthat is what I am on now06:23
ionrockmy laptop06:23
Nafalloionrock: oki. well, to put you computer in another speedstep you should just have to stop powernowd, rmmod cpufreq_userspace and modprobe cpufreq_powersave?06:25
ionrockoh the laptop works just fine06:25
ionrockthis is for my desktop06:25
Se7hjde:06:25
Se7h Depends: bsh but it is not installable06:25
Se7h:|06:25
Nafallohmm, THIS is odd :-P06:25
ionrockI have a feeling that it is a hardware problem that is making it so crappy06:26
Nafallomy server and my lappy started working overtime on the harddrives the same moment :-P.06:26
Nafallomy lappy is a handsome thing now :-)06:28
Nafallohas a big "geek" sticker from thinkgeek on it :-).06:28
Nafallogeek. even06:30
ionrockmy laptop's gh and backspace keys stopped working... and then started again later...06:30
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ionrockdoes anyone know what a .tga is and why I have a hundred or more in my home folder?06:31
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ionrocknevermind I found it06:32
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NafalloTARGA image file?06:32
ionrockI think that could be it06:33
yohannesanyone uses both mplayerplug-in n firefox?06:33
magnetoi do yohannes06:33
yohannesi managed successfully to install mplayerplug-in and all video clips online have no problem06:33
rushibhaihi all06:33
yohannesbut how do i enable the control buttons so i can adjust the playback??06:34
magnetosame here - it works great06:34
magnetolol06:34
magnetoi was looking for that last night06:34
Nafallomplayer-plugin has depend problems for mplayer-amd64 :-P06:34
magnetodidnt find out yet06:34
yohannesi searched everywhere and even played around w/ the *.conf file but to no success06:34
magnetolol <---------same boat06:34
TheMusoionrock: How did the kernel go?06:34
TheMusoOr is it not done yet?06:34
Nafalloso I can't even TRY to solve it :-P06:34
magnetohi rushi06:35
magnetoany openbox users in here?06:35
yohannesif u look at their website specifically on their screenshots sections, the control buttons are present which is weird06:35
yohanneshow did u guys think about mozplayerxp? any1 uses it?06:36
magnetoyohannes- i had the controls in gentoo self compiled and i couldnot compile the plugin from source in ubuntu06:36
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jason_I accidently did something really stupid last night I typed: sudo rm -r / home/jason/pics06:36
magnetoyohannes - mozplayyer sucks imo06:36
jason_notice the extra space06:36
jason_it was a typo06:36
yohannesmagneto --> looking @ their screenshots, i have to agree06:37
jason_and cost me my Ubuntu install06:37
pepsi_why did you need to sudo to your own home?06:37
jason_because root made the dir06:37
magnetoyohannes- you can try the xine plugin06:37
pepsi_ive done rm foo * before in stead of rm foo*06:37
yohannesmagneto --> hmm,.,, i never thought about it06:37
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klasiphydheys..06:37
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Nafallosome users shouldn't have root :-P06:38
pepsi_how can i see what value a program returns?06:38
yohannesmagneto --> which means i have to install xine player06:38
magnetoyohannes: the only plugin i remember with controls is the mplayer though- the xine plugin was ok not as good as mplayerplugin06:38
AlohaWolfhow does one make gaim open a new email thingy without mozilla installed?06:38
magnetoits not that big06:38
yohannesmagento: but in umbuntu case, the mplayerplug-in does not have the control buttons, right?06:39
yohannesmagneto: sometimes, it is nice to be in total control06:39
jdubpepsi_: echo $?06:39
NafalloAlohaWolf: probably by the settings menu ;-)06:39
TheMusopepsi_: Are you calling the pgoram from a script, as that is probably the best way to find out.06:39
yohannesmagneto: it's very convenient to skip boring section of the clip and does not have to "referesh" everytime i want to restart a clip06:39
TheMusoprogram06:39
magnetoyohannes: unless you write all the software not much control06:39
yohannesmagneto: haha06:40
AlohaWolfNafallo, ive looked, im not finding it06:40
magnetoyohannes: yeah and the save feature was cool06:40
pepsi_TheMuso, no im not06:40
yohannesmagento: what save feature u talking about?06:40
klasiphydAlohaWolf, you set the default mail reader in preferred apps?06:40
yohannesmagento: i didnt know the plugin has a save function06:40
AlohaWolfyes06:40
magnetoyohannes: i tried save defaults in the config file but it wasnt working- you could save clips through the menu06:41
TheMusopepsi_: You can do it on the command line. Once you have run the program, type echo $?06:41
TheMusousually 0 will mean that the program has run correcly.06:41
yohannesmagneto: oh that one. yeah, you need to have a *.conf file though06:41
TheMusocorrectly06:41
yohannesmagento: yeah nice feature indeed06:41
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magnetoyohannes: i do have a .conf i use it to go to x11 instead of xv06:42
klasiphydAlohaWolf, what email prog do you want to use06:42
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klasiphydAlohaWolf, there is the evolution integration plugin in gaim, i don't know if that'll do it but..06:42
AlohaWolfEvolution06:42
PizbitAlohaWolf: You should be able to setup the default mailer for gnome and it'll use that06:43
AlohaWolfPizbit, normally (IE under Mandrake) the way gaim send a message is it opens the mailto: with mozilla, who then sends it over to evolution06:44
yohannesmagneto: when u said u could save clip via the menu, which || what menu u referring to?06:44
yohannesmagneto: the video option list some like X11, xv. what are they?06:45
magnetoyohannes: with the show controls feature you can stop play and save and i think there was an options field too06:45
yohannesmagneto: i am kinda blur here. what show control u r referring to?06:46
magneto-vo= xv, x11 there are more - if u look in mplayer preferences under video you can see your choices - that just overrides the default which is probably xv06:46
Pizbit'mplayer -vo help' I believe06:47
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AlohaWolfPizbit, I did that actually I set it as the default06:47
magnetoyohannes: in mplayerplug-in when an audio or video file is opened there is a control bar at the bottom and if you right click theres a menu06:47
magnetoyohannes: i thought that was the feature you were trying to enable like me06:48
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Nafalloanyone with know-how in scsi?06:49
ionrockdoes anyone know if you can set xfce to use metacity and the normal gnome theme(s)06:49
yohannesmagneto: i though you are referring to the plugin06:49
yohannesmagneto: my misunderstanding06:50
magnetowhatsup Nafallo06:50
magnetoyohannes: i was06:50
Nafallomagneto: http://images.tradera.com/121/8696121_1.gif06:50
Nafallomagneto: what connection is that? :-/06:50
yohannespizbit: thanks for the info06:50
ophieis anyone having problems using Sound Juicer to rip audio CDs?  I get a "No CD-ROM drives found error".06:51
yohannesnafallo: that's one jumbo hd06:51
Nafallomagneto: I've bought a servermotherboard with integrated multi-channel scsicontroller and plans to switch some of my in-use drives :-P.06:52
magnetoultra-2 or ultra306:52
TheMusoophie: Have you cheecked the preferences in sj to see if the drive is there, or does it give you that error and exit?06:52
magnetonafallo: whats the model info06:52
Nafallomagneto: seagate ST19171WC06:53
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magnetowanna buy some ultra 3 10k rpm 72.8gb compaq drives? brand new in box06:53
ophieTheMuso: I can't get into SJ's preferences menu, because once it shows me the error and I click ok, it just exits.06:53
TheMusoAre you able to mount Data CDs in it all right?06:54
magnetothats an ultra1 nafalla06:54
ophieTheMuso: yes, I can read the install CD and other data CDs with no problem.06:54
Nafallomagneto: may I chat private with you? :-)06:55
magnetonafallo: sure06:55
TheMusoophie: Have you checked the permissions of the device?06:55
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ophieTheMuso: how do i check the permissions of the device?  sorry, i'm a newbie.06:55
yohannesmagneto: i did not see any control bar when a clip is played. take a look at: http://members.cox.net/zer0sn0nes/Screenshot.png06:56
yohannesmagneto: /*a clip was supposed to be playing during the capture*/06:56
TheMusoophie: Thats fine. Is the drive an IDE drive?06:56
ophieTheMuso: It is a USB2 external DVD/CDRW.06:57
magnetoyohannes: thats hard to get the vid display in a screenshot06:57
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magnetoyohannes: i dont have the control panel anymore - not in ubuntu- i had it in gentoo and i was looking for how to enable it- i thought thats what you were talking about originally06:57
yohannesmagneto: oh ic206:58
TheMusoophie: Ah ok. Run this: sudo modprobe sg06:58
yohannesmagneto: do you think it's possible that during the compile process, i did not use GTK2?06:58
yohannesmagneto: that resulted in the control panel being gone?06:58
ophieTheMuso: ok, i did that.06:58
klasiphydwhat is the difference between the binary driver for ati cards from the ubuntu site, and the linux drivers from ati.com ? why not just install the ati ones06:59
yohannesmagneto: i think i used the gecko one06:59
bur[n] eranyone develop in glade?06:59
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TheMusoophie: Now try and run sound-juicer again06:59
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ophieTheMuso: you are a genius, it worked!!!06:59
LucidVisionsHello all: does anyone know of a service configurator thats simple to use?06:59
TheMusoophie: Glad to hear it.07:00
ophieTheMuso: do i need to do that everytime I log in?07:00
LucidVisionslike sysv-init,but simple07:00
TheMusoophie: No I was just about to suggest how to take care of that. Open up the /etc/modules file and add sg to the end on a separate line.07:00
TheMusoophie: You need to do that with sudo.07:00
ophieTheMuso: done!07:01
ophieTheMuso: thanks...you've been a terrific help!07:01
magnetoyohannes: nah i dont know why- i tried to compile from source and got nothing but errors on make07:01
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pepsi_how can i call another program in C?07:02
TheMusoophie: You are welcome.07:02
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pepsi_run the program, pass arguments, and get the returned result07:02
ophieTheMuso: just out of curiousity, what is the module sg for?07:02
yohannesmagneto: ok thanks07:02
Ubuntuhey all07:02
UbuntuI created this distro!07:02
Gmailsure07:03
Ubuntulol07:03
TheMusoophie: It is SCSI generic support. Since you are using a USB drive, all USB drives use the SCSi subsystem in Linux. For some reason sound-juicer needs this loaded in order to work with SCSI CD drives.07:03
Ubuntui registerd the name though07:03
Gmailwe all belive you07:03
Gmaili register ubuntulinux and ubuntu-linux and GNU-Ubuntu plus GNU-Debian07:03
ophieTheMuso: thanks for that fix.  i will post that in ubuntuforums.org for others to discover.07:04
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TheMusoophie: Sounds like a good idea.07:04
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geppyWhat is the install candidate for unrar?07:07
=== LucidVisions ive figured it out,ahh...
Pizbitunrar-nonfree07:08
geppyThanks.07:08
geppyE: Couldn't find package unrar-nonfree07:08
PizbitEnable multiverse07:08
geppyI've enabled universe;  how do I enable multiverse?07:09
geppyJust add "multiverse" to the end of the deb line in my sources.list?07:09
TheMusogeppy: Add the word multiverse to the end of the line that has universe on it.07:09
geppyThanks.07:09
TheMusogeppy: The deb lines that is.07:09
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TheMusoThen run sudo apt-get update07:10
geppyRight, thanks.  =)07:10
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magnetoany openbox users?07:14
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deFrysk<--xfce4.207:16
deFryskbeta07:16
jason_how did you get it to work?07:16
deFryskwho , me ?07:17
jason_I tried the binary installer and it didn't like my version of GTK07:17
jason_yes07:17
deFryskI used the installer07:17
jason_do you have the default version of GTK+?07:17
deFryskand checked the errorlog a few times to figure out what I needed07:18
jason_warty07:18
jason_ic07:18
deFryskIt took me a while07:18
jason_what are some of the dependancies?07:18
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deFryskinstalled some gcc versions07:18
jason_k07:18
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deFryskeven at the end of the install , (99%) I got an error , but again the errorlog told me what -devel package to get07:19
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\dev\nulleeek someone owns this nick07:19
jason_how did you get GTK+ 2.2 or above?07:19
jason_cvs?07:19
jason_apt?07:19
deFryskA sec07:19
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PizbitGmail: Having fun?07:20
jason_Gmail: Idendity crisis?07:20
PizbitDead/ all of the above?07:20
Gmailjason_: sorta07:20
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deFryskI used libgtk2 , and also installed the devel package07:22
deFryskto make it work07:22
deFryskfor me07:22
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deFryskAnyway , xfce4.2 is awesome improvement07:24
deFryskshould be in hoary07:25
aLi`where can i found ubuntu sources.list07:25
aLi`anybody can paste to me ?07:25
deFryskali etc/apt/07:25
aLi`deFrysk~ :))07:25
aLi`i have deleted all apt directory07:25
deFryskwhy ?07:26
calcwhy haven't they posted any 4.2 shots yet?07:26
aLi`i was sleeping :)07:26
deFryskdeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe07:26
calcah i see one in the read more section07:26
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aLi`thanks07:27
deFryskdeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted07:27
calcheh xfce can even make cde look halfway decent07:27
alThorhow do I determine which version of the kernel I have if I am not sure?07:27
deFryskthose 2 lines should do the trick07:27
deFryskuname -r07:27
alThorthanks07:27
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deFryskeven the filemanager of xfce4.2 is much improved07:29
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jason_whats the difference between beta1 and beta2?07:29
jason_deFrysk07:29
deFryskjason_, never tried beta107:29
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deFryskI happened to take a look there and tried it07:30
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rachethi  i installed  a file with wine but  how do i open the program with wine ?07:31
nickersrachet, wine blah.exe07:31
nickerssorta kinda that simple07:31
racheti tried =(07:31
nickerswhat program07:32
rachetmsnsniffer07:32
racheti installed it with no problems07:32
jason_can you add icons to the desktop yet deFrysk?07:32
rachetso i tried : wine MsnSniffer.exe07:32
AlohaWolfUbuntu: The Linux that no one can Pronouce07:34
jason_uhhh bunn tooo07:34
deFryskjason_, nope07:34
jason_isn't it?07:34
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calcjason_: some african word, probably isn't pronounced like english07:35
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psyklopsooh boon too07:35
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calcaLi`: stop your crap away messages07:35
jason_ewww bunn too07:36
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jason_thats how I meant it07:36
aLi`sorry calc :(07:36
aLi`forgotten here07:36
calc:)07:36
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gomorrahhello al07:43
gomorrahl07:43
jason_hello gomorrah07:43
jason_welcome07:43
gomorrahthanks07:43
bintruegreetings, I'm having a problem with my X display. I've never come across it on any other distro and its a little hard to explain. I get a Bleeding of colors almost. For Example there is a light black bar across the screen at the Ubuntu logon.07:43
jason_what drivers are you using?07:43
jason_bintrue07:43
bintrueI believe the Nvidia one, but I had the same problem during install as well07:44
mercurusbintrue, of which resolution and refresh rates is your monitor capable ? and what resolution and refresh rates are using ?07:44
bintrueI went in and changed the refresh rates in my XF86config-4 but that didn't improve it07:45
jason_it could also be your card overheating07:45
jason_is it overclocked?07:45
bintrueits a viper 770 not overclocked :)07:45
mercurusbintrue, and the monitor works fine in other OSes ?07:46
bintrueyes, I've had Redhat and debian sarge work just fine07:46
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bintruesilly me didn't back up my xf86config07:46
mercuruscan you boot into one of them or windows now to verify it isn't the monitor itself ? and ... just check the connections between monitor and card :)07:47
mercurusand if you feel so inclined, re-seat the card too ...07:47
bintrueand I'm using the NV driver07:47
mercurusor restore the old XF86Config and try and setup some conservative refresh rates07:47
bintrueah you know what.... it might be a reseating07:47
bintrueI just installed a new heatsink07:47
GOwinhelp. i can't configure my network card. the system log says "(pam_unix) authentication failure; logname=myname uid=0 euid=0 tty=pts/0 ruser= rhost= user=myname"07:48
mercurusgive it a whirl ...07:48
bintrueon the way07:48
mercurusGOwin, are you trying to login as root ?07:48
GOwinnope07:48
GOwinonly using my account from gnome07:48
mercurusyou're using sudo ? and is the network card module listed in the output from lsmod ?07:49
GOwinmercurus how do i check that?07:50
GOwini'm using the network admin from gnome07:50
GOwinprior to that, i think i unchecked windows/samba networking07:50
bintruehmm heatsink is really fast , suppose i will let it cool down07:50
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gomorrahhelp, having trouble installing ubuntu, during install my cd is not being automatically detected, and i don't know which to select07:51
mercurusGOwin, ah ok ... and that's the error it spits at you ?07:51
GOwinnow, when i open network settings, i get a popup window "the configuration could not be loaded" there was an error running the backend script07:51
mercurusgomorrah, are you selecting "cdrom" as an apt source ? or before that ?07:51
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mercurusGOwin, ok ... that's a new one on me ... I can try and talk you through manual configuration of your ethernet adapter, but hopefully somone else can fix your existing problem ...07:52
mercurusgomorrah, if you have multiple CD07:52
mercurus\optical drives in the machine, disable the one you're not using in the BIOS, and set the BIOS to boot from CDROM ...07:53
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GOwinmercurus, yes please. actually, i got two NICs, and i want to configure another for my dsl connection. the other one is already configured for the lan.07:53
ruinerwere those free cds that were offered when ubuntu was first released ever sent out? i never received mine...07:53
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mercurusGOwin, hmm ... I've not used DSL, I probably can't really help there :(07:54
pepsi_how can i run a gui app as another user? not from the command line07:54
gomorrahonly one cd, but its a laptop, it detects the cdrom (obviously, because it boots from the cd), but then when after i have selected my location and language, it goes and then tries to auto detect my cd and asks me to manually select my cd07:54
lifelesspepsi_: gksu07:55
pepsi_aha07:55
mercuruspepsi_, gksu ... there should be an option in Applications -> System Tools07:55
GOwinis this like windows where a reboot sometimes does magic?07:55
bintrueI <3 village07:55
pepsi_i saw gksudo and gnome-sudo07:55
bintrueoops07:55
bintruewrong channel07:55
mercurusGOwin, sometimes ... but usuaully it can be fixed without a reboot ... what's the name of the "backend script" that fails to run ?07:56
visoruhmm i know this is a stupid question but, do you know how to write special characters in linux as you do in windows (like Alt + 164 gives you an @...)?07:56
pepsi_gksu is what i want, so i can create a launcher for the app07:56
GOwinhmm ... which log should i check?07:56
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thomaz<eruin> thomaz: how about the phpmyadmin site/forums/help/manual/whatever? ;P07:56
thomaz<eruin> even google probably has the answer07:56
thomaz<thomaz> eruin: Blah.. can't find... though I'm not very good at looking :P07:56
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thomaz<thomaz> how do I asign 2 dbs to a User *in PHPMyAdmin07:57
mercurusgomorrah, no idea I'm afraid :( you might have to pass some kernel options to the installer ..?07:57
mercurusvisor, you can use the character map ..? Applications -> Accessories07:57
visormercurus: uhmm yeah, i meant a keyboard way but i just fount it with google, thanks :)07:58
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theantixdoes apt use the http protocol to download?07:59
mercurusvisor, no worries ... how do you do it with keyboard shortcuts ?07:59
mercurustheantix, it can use http or ftp ... up to you ...07:59
gomorrahmercurus, do you know where i can find a list of kernel options??07:59
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theantixmercurus: thanks07:59
mercurusgomorrah, when you first boot the Ubuntu CD, press F1 and it'll show you some common ones ... otherwise, its a question of digging through the kernel documentation ...08:00
klasiphydfor the ati binary drivers.. in the faq it says you can install flgrx-control.. but apt-get can't find it ?08:00
gomorrahkewl, thanx, i'll give it a shot08:00
visormercurus: in windows there is something like "Alt + code" that gives you special characters and a friend of mine asked me, i live in Mexico, he does too, but my keyboards are spanish but his does not, so... i read you have to change keyboard layout to us_intl08:00
mercurusklasiphyd, use apt-cache to search for "ati" or "glx" and you can pinpoint the name of the package :)08:00
mercurusvisor, ah ok ... either with symlinks or by compiling a new keymap into the kernel08:01
Pizbitklasiphyd: You might need to enable multiverse or just universe repositories, not sure08:01
dobthe ubuntu security team don't review the software from universe, so how is resolved a security problem on some software on universe?08:02
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visormercurus: yup, i see, ill figure it out, as he is rather newbie on this thing, i better install on his machine kcharmap or something like tthat08:04
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bintruedamn,  a cool video card didn't help08:04
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bintrueare the menu's a default dark grey?08:05
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magnetoanyone using openbox?08:07
klasiphydstill can't find it08:08
klasiphydhave multi and uni08:08
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klasiphydand apt-cache didn't come up with anything either08:08
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visorit is very likely to break up ubuntu if you add testing from debian to sources list isnt it?08:10
visori benn having quite a few problems with gaim but there is no update in the official site from gaim, neither in ubuntu updates08:10
jason_I have been having problems with Rhythmbox08:11
visorand in testing theres the update it just requires tu update too many packages08:11
jason_anybody else?08:11
mercurusjason_, yeah ... it refuses to play several mp3s, and freezes ...08:11
aratdagnirevolution does not start08:11
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mercurusalso, it won't advance between mp3s often ... it fails to access /dev/dsp or the ALSA device ...08:12
aratdagniri filled in the information fields, like pop addresses and such08:12
aratdagnirbut it's not starting now08:12
Nafallohttp://shop.store.yahoo.com/netcomdirect/ibm43ulwidsc.html08:12
Nafallowould this one make a good system disk for a server?08:12
mercurusaratdagnir, use the System Monitor to see if it is slowly loading, or if it is dead ...08:12
mercurusjason_, what issues are you having with it ?08:13
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aratdagnirmercurus, it's there, but no response, it's been over 5 minutes08:13
mercurusaratdagnir, try and start it from the desktop again ...08:13
aratdagnirmercurus, ok:) whats the quick way of getting gcc?08:14
mercurusaratdagnir, apt-get update && apt-get install gcc08:14
mercurus:)08:14
eruinNafallo: why would you even _consider_ buying an outdated drive like that?08:14
Nafalloeruin: cause I don't know either SCSI, have a big budget or need a state-of-the-art server.08:15
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eruindon't you think $140 for a drive like that is a bit _too_ much?08:15
aratdagnirmercurus, bad news again, it says method http died unexpectedly, and that was really unexpected :)08:16
Nafalloeruin: well. $1.99 on ebay ;-)08:16
eruinaaaaah08:16
eruinnm me then :p08:16
mercurusaratdagnir, indeed ... you used sudo right ?08:16
eruinit'd work, but any modern 7200rpm ide-drive would outperform it08:16
aratdagnirmercurus, yep :) i'm root08:16
aratdagniri mean sudo08:16
aratdagnirit has # in the shell08:17
aratdagnir:)08:17
Nafalloeruin: well, would that drive perform atleast as good as my Quantum Fireball UDMA33? :-)08:17
mercurusaratdagnir, ah ... obviously your internet connection is up ...08:17
eruinNafallo: better08:17
eruinmuchos better08:17
Nafalloeruin: that's what I wanted to hear :-).08:17
mercurusjust check your sources.list file looks ok ... and have another shot08:17
aratdagnirmercurus, we're thinking of installing ubuntu to our friends at university, about 50-60 people who are new to linux but learning programming08:18
mercurusI'm no Ubuntu guru ... but my experiences have all been positive ...08:18
aratdagniri need a distro like ubuntu, clean, easy on the eyes, easy but i also need the gcc, is there a chance that i can download the debs to a cd for gcc and other tools, because they will need them08:19
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mercurusI burnt a DVD backup of 4.5 gigs of data last night, I've been playing DVDs and mp3s, I've used networked printers, I've done all the usual stuff except package compiles and whatnot08:19
mercurusaratdagnir, gcc is available. though I think it is part of the universe repository08:20
aratdagnirmercurus: got it:) thanks for help!08:20
mercurusno worries08:20
Nafallodamn! you have to live in the US or Canada to have that drive shipped to you :-(.08:20
mercurusI also haven't compiled a kernel under Ubuntu ... yet.08:21
duke|ibis mac-on-linux broken for anyone else with apt? i can't grab it due to a lack of mol-modules :E08:21
aratdagnirmercurus, evolution doesnot like my $LANG variable, i've set it to C default, and it started :)08:22
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mercurusaratdagnir, what was it set to before ? have you got locales installed ?08:22
aratdagnirmercurus, it's the live cd, but i've set it to Turkish, just to have the keyboard right08:24
mercurusah ...08:24
aratdagniri've tried apt-get with default LANG08:24
bintruequick question, how do I prevent X from restarting so I can install the Nvidia binary drivers?08:25
holycowkill the gdm/kdm/xdm process that started it08:25
deFryskbintrue, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto08:26
deFryskbintrue, and install it the easy way08:26
bintrueooh I like easy ways08:26
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deFryskapt-get install linux-<arch> nvidia-glx08:27
deFryskthen reboot08:27
Tychehello08:27
deFryskand activate the nvidia kernel as described08:27
TycheI'm new to Ubuntu and I have some questions, what is the proper way to go about that?08:27
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TreenaksTyche: just ask08:29
TreenaksTyche: look in the FAQ first of course, the URL is in the topic08:29
aratdagnirdoes the live cd work exactly like original?08:29
bintrueman I can not shake this damn image problem08:30
bintruenot drivers, not the card, not the monitor :/08:30
TycheI'm looking to get apt-get working...I would like to install things like mplayer, k3b, gkrellm and also make sure my system is up to date...what is the best way to do that?08:32
aratdagniralright, i got to reboot, i'll be back, i hope08:32
aratdagnirthanks for all help:)08:32
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tableist90Tyche: go here for mplayer http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-130623.html08:34
TreenaksTyche: well, apt-get just works08:34
tableist90Tyche: for k3b08:34
TreenaksTyche: start by reading /etc/apt/sources.list08:34
tableist90Tyche: sudo apt-get install k3b in terminal08:34
TreenaksTyche: and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats08:34
TreenaksTyche: you do NOT need to compile mplayer from source, like the linuxforums post tells you!08:35
TreenaksTyche: there are packages available, see the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats page08:35
tableist90hehe...i couldn't find a regular package for it08:35
Treenakstableist90: always look on the wiki first ;)08:36
tableist90yah thanks for the info..i couldn't find a package for it..im checking it now08:36
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TycheE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)08:38
TycheE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?08:38
TycheI get that when I try to do an apt-get08:38
PizbitHave you got synaptic running?08:38
TycheYes. =)08:39
PizbitClose it then:P08:39
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plasmowe have 1,337 members registered on ubuntuforums just then ;D08:40
klasiphydhmm well that didn't go so well08:40
iz/var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_3.1ubuntu1_amd64.deb08:40
izE: Su/var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_3.1ubuntu1_amd64.deb08:40
izE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)b-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)08:40
izasny idea?08:40
tableist90Tyche: make sure u have all options checked in synaptic>settings>repository08:41
tableist90Tyche: then do an apt-get update08:41
UbuntuHI08:42
UbuntuIm Ubuntu08:42
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RuffianSoldierTyche, I hope you enjoy Ubuntu, its certenly one of the Best Distros and the best Debian distro, in fact, its beating normal debian on distro watch!08:47
nevyn that's interesting.08:48
TycheI really like it08:48
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TycheI am new though and that slows me down.08:48
RuffianSoldierNew to Linux, Debian, or just Ubuntu?08:48
bintrueI love debian, but ubuntu was SO much easier to install08:49
nevynbintrue: had you tried the sarge previews?08:49
TycheI am familiar with Red Hat, Fedore and now suse (all with begginner to intermediate knowledge)08:49
bintrueno08:49
spacey`kibintrue, i don't see any differance between ubuntu and debian installer08:49
Tychenew to debian and ubuntu08:49
spacey`kimaybe a few options less now i think about it, but not sure08:49
RuffianSoldieric08:49
bintrueI did a debian unstable install a few months ago08:49
RuffianSoldieri hope you like it, i sure do, its soooo easy to manage08:50
nevynTyche: intermediate.. so you can install and configure apache, squid, x and postfix?08:50
TycheI have tried to install debian and never got it working...decided to try ubuntu and really liked the install08:50
bintruethis seemed to be a little less interactive08:50
nevynbintrue: that's true.08:50
RuffianSoldierya, same, Debian was a bitch, but Libranet and Ubuntu were sooo easy08:50
spacey`kii think in ubuntu there are no questions about package selection08:50
spacey`kidon't remember well though ;)08:50
kingsleyGraphs of the performance of linux data compressors are at http://www.nas.com/~change/private/compression_test.GNU_tar_archive.LargeCalgaryCorpus.tar.montage.jpg. Comments welcome.08:50
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Tycheapache/mysql/php not sure what squid and postfix is. I have tried x but never succeeded (that is where my debian install is sitting)08:50
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bintruehow is ubuntu with dvd playback off the cd?08:51
bintruethinking of trying it out on my laptop08:51
spacey`kiTyche, squid is http proxy and postfix is an MTA08:51
nevynbintrue: it doesn't have the codec's it's a legal issue.08:51
bintrueso nothing more than standard debian08:51
nevynspacey`ki: do you think my definition of intermediate is too high?08:51
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Tychespacey'ki what is an mta?08:52
eimHello folks, I08:52
TycheHello eim08:52
nevynTyche: mail transport agent08:52
spacey`kimail transfer agent08:52
spacey`kione of the two ;)08:52
nevyntransfer/transport?08:52
nevyn:)08:52
eimHello folks, I would like to know which version of Evolution is shipped along with the latest stable Ubuntu release. Thanks.08:52
spacey`kinevyn, not specially. But i think being intermediate is hard to measure. because one may be a total Xfree guru but never touched apache.08:53
sid77yup, an mta moves mail around08:53
nevynspacey`ki: true.08:53
TheMusoeim: 2.0.208:53
eimTheMuso: Thanks.08:53
TycheAye, 2.0.208:53
spacey`kii never configured squid or postfix myself, altough i'm sure i'll manage in a short timeframe.08:53
nevynspacey`ki: X is.. something of a dark art (it's getting better if you have supported hardware)08:53
nevynspacey`ki: ie not ati >r200 or nvidia anything08:54
spacey`kinevyn, i think you are intermediate when you know the basics, and have insight how everything in a linux system falls together.08:54
nevynspacey`ki: ah so your intermediate your whole life..08:54
nevynthere's always more to learn.08:54
spacey`kinevyn, yes intermediate is only the beginning right?:)08:55
nevynheh08:55
nevynI sort of have an attitude of if it's a computer I can work it out.08:55
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klasiphydwhats the best way to get xmms to dock in gnome08:56
spacey`kinevyn, sure :)08:57
Pizbitklasiphyd: Get the xmms-status-plugin08:57
mbbjust updated to hoary. now have no gnome-panels, (top of screen, and bottom of screen) Any ideas?08:57
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Pizbitmbb: You did know things were gonna break right?08:58
izmbb apt-get install gnome-panel?08:58
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mbbpizbit: yeah, it installed in an extra partition. warty is still ok...08:59
mbbiz: will try.08:59
klasiphydPizbit, i grabbed that, but configure fails saying it can't find xmms-config ..and i can't find it either08:59
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Pizbitklasiphyd: Why're you trying to compile it?09:00
mbbiz: unmet dependencies: evolution-data-server09:00
izaha09:00
PizbitIt's in universe09:00
Treenakswhy are you compiling? isn't there a package?09:01
mrjivehi *09:01
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klasiphydah yes.. i forgot to check universe when i looked09:01
RuffianSoldierdude, Universe has everything almost09:02
RuffianSoldieri need sleep09:02
RuffianSoldiergoodnight09:02
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binary_10does ubuntu have something simular to rc-update show ?09:03
klasiphydhow do i get xmms to now not show up on the panel now ?09:06
iznot show?09:07
mbbpizbit: so is it reasonable to expect that apt-get update and apt-get upgrade will some day fix my no-panel problem?09:07
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klasiphydit's in the dock, but it still shows on the panel of running programs09:07
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izkill -9 pid09:07
TycheI am in synaptic trying to install things...is that better then apt-get?09:07
nevynno.09:08
nevynjust different.09:08
BurgundaviaTyche: depends on what you are most comfortable with09:08
BurgundaviaTyche: They are both front ends for apt09:08
Pizbitmbb: MIght need a dist-upgrade, but "some day", yes, soon? Toss a coin!09:08
nevynno synaptic is a frontend for apt which is a frontend for dpkg...09:08
TycheI'm looking for mplayer or something that will play avi and mpg's any suggestions? I do not see mplayer in synaptic09:09
nevynit's not there.09:09
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nevynthat's why ;)09:09
borupTyche: I use totem09:09
BurgundaviaTyche: Also to play avi's, you will need to the restricted formats stuff09:10
Tycheborup: I have tried to open those types of files and it doesn't like them...09:10
PizbitTyche: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats09:11
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binary_10is there a way i can tell which to tell what services are being started at boot time?09:12
Pizbit[pizbit@Yogi:~/.xchat2/xchatlogs] $ grep "RestrictedFormats" FreeNode-#ubuntu.log | wc -l = 9609:13
binary_10is there a way I can tell which serces are being started at boot time.. i meant09:13
binary_10*services09:13
binary_10grr09:13
PizbitWow, that's only 1 per 1000 lines in my log file for this channel09:14
Burgundaviabinary_10: if you mean something like fedoras, I don't think so09:14
binary_10well i was looking for something simular to rc-update show09:15
binary_10or something like that09:15
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eimAnyone running Ubuntu on an iBook G3?09:17
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TychePizbit: So I am looking at that site and I have check the universe. now what?09:19
PizbitTyche: Uh, you're wanting to get codecs to play some video files yeah?09:19
TycheYea09:20
PizbitYou'll need to add the marillat repository at the bottom, apt-get update, apt-get install w32codecs09:20
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rebirthbbs :x09:22
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TychePizbit,  apt-get install w32codecs09:25
TycheReading Package Lists... Done09:25
TycheBuilding Dependency Tree... Done09:25
TycheE: Couldn't find package w32codecs09:25
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mipoohwhat ubuntu users use instead of mc?09:27
morgsI have a question about the warty security updates. I get the ubuntu-security-announce list, but when I reload in synaptic, there are no updated packages.09:27
Treenaksmipooh: nautilus09:27
mipoohthx09:27
morgsDoes it take a while before they are available?09:27
Treenaksmorgs: maybe you don't have them installed?09:27
Treenaksmorgs: or, you could remove the CD-ROM from your apt sources.list, and make sure the security repository is turned on09:28
klasiphydgrr.. i can't get xmms to not show up on the tasklist, what am i missing?09:30
PizbitTyche: Did you apt-get update first?09:30
PizbitTyche: And add the marillat repository as the page shows?09:30
borupthe marillat repo has a funky per ip connection limit09:32
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gerardI have X divided over 2 screens, it works perfectly, except when I minimize an that is not on the main sceen. It goes into the task-bar, but the application is not displayed there. It is in my process list though. So...how do I "unminimize" this app?09:41
gerardminimizing an application that is...09:42
klasiphydalt tab to it?09:42
gerardduh ;-)09:42
gerardyes that works..09:42
gerardNow...how do I get it displayed in the taskbar...is this a bug or wanted behavior?09:43
Tychepizbit, okay added and I think it is installing it now.09:43
Tychepizbit, will I have to reboot when it is done?09:43
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PizbitWhy would you have to do that?09:44
PizbitTyche: Oh yeah, I'd install xine or at least totem-xine (Don't worry if it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, it doesn't matter)09:44
TycheOh, okay, I was worried it would mess up my install if I removed the ubuntu-desktop09:45
mercurusgerard, is it not on either desktop ? are you using the xinerama extension ?09:46
Tycheshould I install xine and totem-xine? or which one is preferred?09:46
PizbitTyche: Both? Personally I prefer using xine, but if you like totem then go that way09:46
TycheI do not know any better.09:46
PizbitGet both, try both, doesn't matter:)09:47
Tychexine-ui, is that what you are talking about?09:47
PizbitYeah09:48
gerardmercurus: nope...it just disappeared off both screens...09:48
Tychepizbit okay...those are almost done...do I need to reboot, or will it just work?09:48
mercurusgerard, odd ... it didn't minimise to a different workspace ?09:48
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PizbitTyche: With linux you only ever really need to reboot if you're changing your kernel09:49
PizbitThey'll work straight off.09:49
gerardmercurus: no... As I said it disappears. You can alt-tab to it, but that's all...09:49
TycheHow do I know how to run them? They are not in the menu...09:50
Tychesorry for the beginner questions.09:50
PizbitTyche: Double click on your video file09:50
PizbitOr if you want to change it so xine opens that file type, right click and click the open with entry(and type in xine)09:51
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mrjivehi *09:52
TycheAnd we are in business! =)09:52
PizbitYay:)09:52
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mrjivewhy no-one answered my email about an italian speaking mailing list? do you think it is a stupid idea? today a read about a new russian list... who have i to address to?09:54
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ntollhi, is there a list of hardware that ubuntu supports? Specifically I'm interested in the Broadcom 440x nic on my Acer Travelmate laptop (I've had problems with it on a vanilla debian "sarge" install but FC/1 worked). Google doesn't turn anything up :-( Any suggestions?09:57
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mercurusntoll, whether or not hardware is supported is a kernel issue ... rather than a distribution issue ...09:58
mercurusthat said, Ubuntu Warty uses the latest kernel ... 2.6.8.1 and will have one of the most up to date hardware support09:58
Tsjoklatevening all09:58
ntollmorning :-)09:58
Tsjoklat:)09:59
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mercurusntoll, there are more than likely websites about using linux on your laptop that might help ... try tuxmobil.org or linuxonlaptops.org ...09:59
ntollmercurus: o.k. will do, thanks for the advice10:00
mercurushopefully they can suggest something (kernel patch, another module) that will improve things10:00
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ntollo.k. tuxmobil is saying debian works on my model. I'll give ubuntu a try this morning.10:01
rachethi! i installed msn sniffer with wine with no problems . but i dont know  how i open msn sniffer now10:01
PizbitWhy would you use an msn sniffer in wine?10:02
Tsjoklathey rachet.. you ever get mono?10:02
rachetcause i use linux10:02
PizbitUhm, so?10:02
rachetand  msn sniffer is for windows10:02
racheti cant find msn sniffer for linux10:03
Treenaks"msn sniffer" ?10:03
PizbitBesides, why would you even want one?10:03
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seb128ntoll: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport_2fMachines_2fLaptops10:03
Todd_MA_1975ntoll is that a wireless nic?10:03
rachetpizbit cause i  want so .... why do u think it exist ? cause people want it!10:03
Pizbit"Why would you want one?" "because I want one" *ponder*10:04
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rachetpizbit why do u care ?dont u have  a life ? school or work ?10:05
mercurusrachet, is that one of those corny "IP unmaskers" for MSN messenger ?10:05
ntollit has two nics, the broadcome which is 10/100 ethernet and intel centrino technology which is 802.11b. Form the look of it, the broadcom *should* work but (due to naff support from intel) the centrino part of things wont10:05
Treenaksthere's ethereal.. but that sniffs everything, not just msn10:05
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PizbitTreenaks: I think it has some built in filters.10:06
Todd_MA_1975ntoll - OK - Just wanted to make sure it wasn't the Broadcom 94306 wireless which require ndiswrapper to work10:06
ntollThere's my pet Labrador too, he'll sniff anything10:06
TreenaksPizbit: yes, you can tell it to monitor only certain ports.. or packets.. or whatever10:06
PizbitTreenaks: I meant literally a tick box, been a while since I looked at ethereal, simply don't need it10:07
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TreenaksPizbit: I use tethereal sometimes if I have network problems.. so I only know the command line stuff10:07
ntoll'k, is there any way of submitting an installation report so guys at ubuntu can see what works or not? Or do I just have to post an email somewhere (where?)10:07
Pizbitntoll: Try the userlist10:08
ntolls'wot I thought...10:08
ntollcheers for the help10:08
Treenaksntoll: user list, or bug system10:08
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rachetcan some one help mw with wine ? i installed  a program but i dont know  i  get it to start10:10
b_e_n_zrachet, huh? wine <program>?10:11
TsjoklatI never got wine to work ever10:11
rachetye10:11
b_e_n_zthere's a wine config that you need to tell wine what your C: is etc.10:11
rachetits  works but i dont know  how to open it10:11
mercurusrachet, is that one of those corny "IP unmaskers" for MSN messenger ?10:12
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rachetmercurus  we are talking about  wine ffs10:12
b_e_n_zrachet, what is "it"?10:12
mercurusrachet, I'm asking about you're trying to run with wine ...10:12
racheta program that lets  u install windows programs in linux10:12
rachetjust search on the synaptic10:13
mercuruswine isn't an entity of its own ... it wraps around whatever you want to run.10:13
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vorkohi, I'd be happy to try the new ubuntu liveCD but does it include LateX ?10:13
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mercurusI'm quite compass as regards wine ... I run MS Office 2000 on my laptop with wine.10:13
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vorkoit seems every livecd has stopped supporting it (too big I guess)10:14
Tsjoklatyou do mercurus?10:14
rachethow do u open a program ? do u type this : wine kazaa.exe ?10:14
Tsjoklatamazing10:14
mercurusTsjoklat, these days it almost works out of the box ...10:14
mercurusrachet, yes.10:14
rachetbut that doesnt work i tried  it10:15
b_e_n_zrachet, did you setup your wine config?10:15
rachetno10:15
rachethow do i do that ?10:15
mercurusrachet, error ?10:15
Todd_MA_1975ratchet: you need to use the full path to the program (or be in the directory) wine /home/(user)/.wine/fake_windows/Pr.......10:15
rachetno errors10:15
Tsjoklatmercurus do you think the combination of wine/musicmatch would work?10:16
rachettodd mda 1975: ok im there  what do i do ?10:16
Todd_MA_1975ratchet: have you run winesetup?10:16
rachetye10:16
mercurusTsjoklat, musicmatch ?10:16
Todd_MA_1975ratchet: What directory is your Program In?10:16
Tsjoklatmusicmatch jukebox10:17
Tsjoklatthe only reason why I still have to have winhol I mean windows10:17
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rachethome/donald/.wine/fake_windows/Program Files/MsnSniffer/10:17
mercurusTsjoklat, give it a whirl ... not sure how advanced wine's sound support is ... pretty good I would imagine10:17
TsjoklatI have tried wine oh a million times but he doesn't like me10:17
Todd_MA_1975ratchet: for example for me to run Diablo 2 its:   wine /home/todd/.wine/fake_windows/Program\ Files/Diablo\ II/Diablo\ II.exe10:18
Tsjoklatwell if you got MSO to work... I think I will!10:18
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Todd_MA_1975ratchet: In your case wine  home/donald/.wine/fake_windows/Program\ Files/MsnSniffer/<ProgramName.exe>10:19
Tsjoklatdoes one want: wine or winesetupk?10:19
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skarhow do i configure xsane for use with benq 5000 scanner?10:19
rachettodd ma 1975: i tried : /home/donald/.wine/fake_windows/Program Files/MsnSniffer/MsnSniffer.exe10:21
rachetdidnt work10:21
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Todd_MA_1975did you put wine in the front of it all? plus you need to escape the space in Program Files10:22
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b_e_n_zi can run mIRC in wine... but it's too slow even on a p4 2.8GHz... so i went back to xchat10:22
bob2rachet: what does "msnsniffer" do?10:23
Todd_MA_1975ratchet: wine  home/donald/.wine/fake_windows/Program\ Files/MsnSniffer/MsnSniffer.exe10:23
TycheI'm looking for good programs to install. I am understanding Synaptic a lot better now, and would like to use it more.10:23
rachet wine  home/donald/.wine/fake_windows/Program\ Files/MsnSniffer/MsnSniffer.exe didnt work10:24
Todd_MA_1975Ratchet: What was the result?  Do you wine configured to give you an error log?10:25
rachetye10:25
Treenaksrachet: If you want an MSN sniffer, try "ethereal".. it's just a packet sniffer..10:25
Treenaksrachet: configure it to sniff on the MSN port and it'll decode the packets for you as well10:25
racheti want to sniff ip on msn messenger10:26
rachetwhats the msn port ?10:26
bob2invading people's privacy seems kinda off-topic10:26
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rachetbob2 get lost10:26
Todd_MA_1975ratchet: it may be that MsnSniffer doesn't work in wine.  But the wine log should give you an idea.10:26
mercurusbob2, aye ... off-planet perhaps.10:26
Tsjoklatmercurus.. did you see my question?10:27
bob2rachet: erm, please don't.10:27
rachetplease dont  what ?10:27
mercurusTsjoklat, no ... which one ?10:27
Tsjoklatif I should get: wine or winesetupk?10:27
TsjoklatI am a bit confuzled10:28
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mercurusTsjoklat, grab wine10:28
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Tsjoklatalrighty ta10:28
bob2Tsjoklat: wine is the program which runs windows apps10:28
bob2rachet: please don't go on and on about how you can't run some piece of spyware on linux10:28
Todd_MA_1975Tsjoklat: you can grab winesetuptk afterwards which is a nice little graphical utilitiy for configuring wine10:28
Tsjoklatta bob and mercurus.. wasn't too sure10:28
Tsjoklatis that what it is for Todd... cool beans, will get that too10:29
Tsjoklatmaybe I can kill my windows box all together if I can get this too work :)10:29
TsjoklatI am still hoping there will be something good in linux for coding/ripping/tagging10:29
bob2Tsjoklat: hm, what feature does MM have that no linux player does?10:30
skarhi, how do i configure my epson c43ux in gnome for cups?10:30
bob2skar: have you setup cups to use it?10:30
b_e_n_zskar, gnome-cups-manager?10:30
TsjoklatMM does encoding (mp3pro to mp3 or vice versa) it does tagging it does renaming10:30
klasiphydgerard, what kind of video card do you have10:30
Tsjoklatok renaming is not a big issue10:30
mercurusTsjoklat, how is soundjuicer ?10:30
bob2Tsjoklat: have you used sound-juicer or grip?10:31
Tsjoklatencoding I use soundjuicer, whichc I like10:31
Tsjoklatbut tagging is a HUGE problem10:31
TsjoklatI use sound-juicer and liking it10:31
bob2Tsjoklat: none of the 5000 tagging programs in universe work properly?10:31
Tsjoklatbut easy-tag is a nightmare10:31
Tsjoklatcamasomething was horrible10:31
Tsjoklat5000? lol did I miss something bob?10:31
mercuruswhee! 10 minutes before I finish downloading 250MB of updates ... on 6.4kbps ISDN ...10:31
Tsjoklatthe problem is really this:10:32
TsjoklatI have a lot of European files10:32
Tsjoklatmeaning with funky thingies on the letters10:32
bob2so you want utf-8?10:32
Tsjoklatand easy-tag, camasomething don't like it10:32
Tsjoklatno10:32
Tsjoklatwestern10:32
bob2hrm10:32
bob2why not utf-8?10:33
TsjoklatWester-ISO-8859-110:33
Tsjoklatbecause it doesn't like the thingies?10:33
Tsjoklatwhenever I tag something in the above progs it looks horrid10:33
bob2right, most tagging programs puke on utf-810:33
Tsjoklatlike Sinead O'Conner will look like Sin*)(&(d O'Conner10:33
bob2erm, isn't her name all ascii?10:34
danielsbob2: yeah, I have 8859-1, which rhythmbox and my iRiver happily deal with10:34
skarbob2:nope, how do i configure cups for use with this printer?10:34
Tsjoklatand for some oddball reason I can't find a linux tagger that will write it correctly10:34
danielsbut the database is ASCII-only, so I just have folder/file navigation until I can be arsed doing transcoding10:34
bob2skar: http://localhost:631/10:34
Tsjoklatno only the E in her first name bob10:35
bob2daniels: ah10:35
TsjoklatI was just overdoing it to show my point10:35
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Tsjoklatso I have to do that in MM10:35
skarbob2:gr8, but when i try to add printer, it asks for username, password and the root and its password doesn't work?10:35
Tsjoklatthen it shows up in nix as ?10:35
Tsjoklatsuch as Sin?ad10:36
skarbob2:what passoword should I use?10:36
Tsjoklatthen I rename that10:36
Tsjoklatbut it is a cow10:36
skarbob2:what password should I use?10:36
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bob2Tsjoklat: what's your unix system locale set to?10:36
bob2skar: I don't know10:36
bob2but I'm sure it's in the wiki10:36
bob2or faq10:36
TsjoklatWester-ISO-8859-110:36
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bob2that's not a linux locale10:37
bob2well, nto that I've seen10:37
Tsjoklatsorry but that's what I use10:37
mercurusskar, use your username and password for the system ... if that doesn't work ... you'll have to sudo to change the root passwd and enable the root user ... then login as root, with its new passwd10:37
bob2Tsjoklat: LANG="Wester-ISO-8859-1"?10:38
Tsjoklatyes10:38
skarmercurus:that doesn't seem to be the problem, its saying Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu Computer > System configuration > Printing.10:38
Elwoodany italian?10:38
Tsjoklatall I want is the box to read funky thingies on letters10:38
Tsjoklatah what can I say.. female and estetics10:38
mercurusskar, then ... use the menus ...10:39
skarmercurus:so its ubuntu specific and i have to use the gnom print manager like b_e_n_z said10:39
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mercurusskar, yes ... you could re-configure cups manually ... but you might as well use the tools provided :)10:39
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Tsjoklatso I guess I either get MM to work through wine or I'll be stuck with windows for a while :)10:41
AcridienTsjoklat: you are never stuck10:41
bob2Tsjoklat: have you filed bugs on the programs that failed?10:41
Tsjoklatno I haven't bob and thanks for the encouragement Acridien10:42
bob2Tsjoklat: please do, so it can be fixed10:42
TsjoklatI am a bit reluctant to file a bug report... my English isn't that great10:42
Tsjoklatand I worry the reader will not understand a dooda what I am trying to say10:42
bob2your english seems fine10:43
bob2they can always just ask you to clarify10:43
Tsjoklatas long as I don't have to type difficult words bob10:43
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Tsjoklatand how do I go about filing a bug report?10:43
TsjoklatI need an acount of some sort?10:44
bob2yeah, unfortunately10:44
Tsjoklatwell I'll give it another go and if the problem insist I will tackle the bug report ordeal10:45
Tsjoklatbut first I am going to try wine10:45
Tsjoklatif that doesn't work out... is there any tagging prog you would recommend?10:46
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WizkidNOCan i ask a question abount Ubuntu install here ?10:47
bob2I use a program I wrote10:47
bob2WizkidNO: yes10:47
WizkidNOThnxs10:47
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b_e_n_zWizkidNO, you can do whatever you want... there is no op here10:48
WizkidNOWell i DL the I386 version and when i get to whats supose to be the install menu everythink is like the moitor is out of sync10:48
WizkidNOOk10:48
bob2b_e_n_z: there are plenty of ops10:48
Tsjoklatwell since I take it it is not an option that I marry you or move in with you so I can use your self written prog.. anything else? :P10:48
bob2and behaviour contrary to the code of conduct will be dealt with10:48
WizkidNOm tying to install it on a VIA mini-itx10:49
b_e_n_zWizkidNO, hmm10:49
WizkidNOi havent tryed to see if i get the same on Debian but i have an old debian install on another hdd, thats fine in Text mode but not X - but thats because i havent configured it up for X -10:50
WizkidNOThe install menu is it X driven ??10:50
b_e_n_zWizkidNO, no it's not10:50
WizkidNOOr is there an isu using the little Via mini-itx bords10:51
nevynit might be fbcon tho...10:51
WizkidNOThe menu is scripted in som way ? like text mode ?10:51
nevynWizkidNO: it's ncurses and dialog or whiptail or something.10:51
WizkidNOok10:51
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WizkidNOI still cant figure out why i dont get it up on the screen. on the debian install i ran Console and xf86conf (x) worked fine10:52
WizkidNOis there another installer or "internet" installer available from somewheree ?10:54
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WizkidNOAny one ??10:55
bob2I don't think anyone really understands what the problem is...10:55
WizkidNOhehe :)10:56
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WizkidNOThe problem is that i boot from the install cd10:56
WizkidNOget the menu :  prompt10:56
WizkidNOhit enter10:56
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WizkidNOand the menu thats supose to appear is all out of sync10:56
WizkidNOi cant read the text or see the menu10:56
WizkidNOits like when you have a picture out of sync on an old monitor10:57
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bob2please ask on the ubunut-users list10:57
bob2colin or someone can prbably tell you a special kernel option to disable the fb10:57
danielsdebian-installer/framebuffer=false10:57
WizkidNOdo you mean the mailing list ?10:57
Todd_MA_1975WizkidNO: You may also want to try some of the different kernel options when you boot10:57
mrjiveWizkidNO, try with vga=normal10:58
WizkidNOok ill try vga=normal first10:58
WizkidNOon the boot : i typed expert vga=normal11:00
WizkidNOthats what you ment right11:00
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Todd_MA_1975WizkidNO: I don't think you need the expert just the vga=normal (although not 100% sure as I'm not looking at the boot screen atm)11:02
WizkidNOMOAHAHHAHA11:03
WizkidNOthe expert  debian-installer/frambuffer=false worked great :)11:03
MeAndUIs there a way to unload module that i have modeprobe11:04
WizkidNOThanks a lot Daiels11:04
WizkidNOdaniels hehe'11:04
bob2MeAndU: rmmod whatever11:04
b_e_n_zMeAndU, kernel needs to support unloading modules11:04
danielsWizkidNO: no worries11:04
danielsWizkidNO: you shouldn't have to do expert11:04
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danielsWizkidNO: just 'linux debian-installer/framebuffer=false'11:05
mercurus:) Warty is up :)11:05
MeAndUok where can I see already loaded modules11:05
b_e_n_zMeAndU, lsmod11:05
WizkidNOWhats the reason for the frambuffer switch to be needed11:05
MeAndUthanks11:05
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b_e_n_zmercurus, congrats11:05
paohi all :-)11:06
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paowhich is the best between laptop-net, guessnet, etc.?11:06
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LucyHi, I tried logging in Ubuntu this morning but it doesn't accept my password anymore. I made sure I used the rigth one. I'm now using Knoppix to come in here, and my data is still on the harddrive, even though my config for Knoppix has been corrupted. Is it likely to assume I was hacked, and, how do I log into Ubuntu now?11:08
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b_e_n_zLucy, it's possible that you are hacked...11:08
Lucyhmm nice11:09
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Loki|muhhi11:09
b_e_n_zLucy, boot from knoppix, mount the hd, chroot to the root partition and vipw11:09
Loki|muhhow does ubuntu react standardly to ctrl-alt-del?11:09
Lucyok11:10
PizbitLoki|muh: Reboots if you're looking at a terminal, in Gnome/X it ignores it11:10
b_e_n_zLucy, but in case you are really hacked, you may want to reinstall11:10
magnetoanyone use openbox in here?11:10
Loki|muhPizbit: thx11:11
b_e_n_zLucy, you never know what kind of rootkits is planted on your hd11:11
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Tsjoklatsilly question perhaps.. but how can the box be hacked?11:11
PizbitSounds odd though11:12
b_e_n_zTsjoklat, lots of ways...11:12
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PizbitTsjoklat: Vulnerability in a program that has external ports open, physical access to the machine, etc11:12
Tsjoklatlike how?11:12
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b_e_n_zTsjoklat, root password guessing on open ssh ports is one11:12
PizbitTsjoklat: Secretly11:13
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Tsjoklatah okay11:13
TsjoklatI use a router11:13
LucyI'd probably do a reinstall, because I lack the knowledge to do any other stuff really. I mean I have backups...11:13
Tsjoklatthat blocks everything11:13
TsjoklatLucy how's the weather in Holland? :)11:13
b_e_n_zTsjoklat, well some routers claim they block everything but in fact they don't11:13
Lucybad, as usual11:13
Tsjoklatlol11:13
Tsjoklat<-- Groningen11:13
b_e_n_zubuntu should really have a default firewall of some sort on a fresh install11:14
mirakmirak_ be original, choose another pseudonyme11:14
Tsjoklatwas just reading an interresting article about viri in linux/mac11:14
Lucythe thing is, i was running a firewall so that wasn't much use obviously11:14
b_e_n_zLucy, what is your firewall blocking?11:15
LucyI don't know, I just used the standard settings11:15
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b_e_n_zLucy, don't you need to configure it?11:15
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mirakLucy: are the cow healty ?11:15
Tsjoklator better yet... write rules11:15
b_e_n_zyea11:16
Lucyfirestarter didn't require me to configure it, I was running it with a root terminal11:16
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Lucythe sad irony is, I've never been hacked when I was running windows11:17
Tsjoklatjust bad luck lucy11:17
b_e_n_zLucy, lots of people say that... but how do you know your windows box wasn't hacked11:17
Lucyok, good point benz...11:18
danielsi doubt you have actually been cracked, you know11:18
Tsjoklatyou  just don't see it as fast in windows11:18
PizbitLucy: Were you messing around with keyboard mappings at all before logging out?11:18
Lucyno pizbit11:19
b_e_n_zLucy, wait a min... you said you cannot login as root?11:19
Lucythere is no root in ubuntu, I can not log in at startup11:20
b_e_n_zLucy, i thought ubuntu uses sudo -s11:20
Tsjoklatshe can't log in11:20
b_e_n_zLucy, so you tried to login as a regular user...?11:20
Lucyyes11:20
b_e_n_zLucy, oh then i misunderstood11:20
PizbitLucy: Tried to login at the console too?11:20
LucyI don't think I get to see a console at ubuntu startup11:21
PizbitLucy: ctrl+altF111:21
Tsjoklatyou can stop xserver11:21
PizbitTsjoklat: It'll restart automatically11:22
Tsjoklatdo it three times and it won't :P11:22
PizbitLucy: Try it just in case something in X/gdm is screwy11:22
b_e_n_zctrl-alt-F1,F2 etc will get your a console11:22
PizbitTsjoklat: Why bother when you can just use ctrl+alt+F# ?11:22
Tsjoklatbecause I want to do stuff in X11:22
Tsjoklatas in changing11:22
Tsjoklatand it is better if it is not running11:22
PizbitTsjoklat: Erm, we're not changing x at all here, we're just seeing if it could be at fault11:23
TsjoklatI am not saying we are changing it11:23
Tsjoklator Lucy in this case11:23
LucyYou guys are really nice, but at my stage, the moment I can't log in from my GUI, that's the end of the road.11:23
b_e_n_zLucy, why11:23
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PizbitLucy: Just try logging in at console, if you can there might be something else to try to sort out the gui, if not then, well, yeah:)11:24
danielsLucy: what country do you live in, and which language have you selected?11:24
danielsLucy: if you type your password in the username field, does it show up properly?11:24
b_e_n_zLucy, boot to knoppix, mount the hd, chroot to the root partition and passwd <user> to change that user password11:24
TreenaksTsjoklat: join #ubuntu-nl then ;)11:24
Tsjoklatoh there is that? :) :)11:24
TreenaksTsjoklat: yes :)11:24
Tsjoklatgreat! thanks11:25
Lucyeverything shows up properly, just that it switches back to username after I put in the password11:25
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Kamionhuh, *nobody* suggested to Lucy that she boot in recovery mode?11:30
Tsjoklatwell Lucy buzzed off before 'anybody' had a chance11:30
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klasiphydyeah.. you dropped the ball on that one kamion.. where were you11:31
KamionTsjoklat: not really, she was here for plenty of time11:33
Kamionklasiphyd: asleep :-)11:33
TsjoklatI think we were all trying to help her Kamion11:33
Tsjoklatexcuse me for not suggesting the right thing at the right time11:33
danielsKamion: heh, wake up earlier :P11:34
danielsKamion: i got to layout issues but haven't been paying much attention to IRC (at least not for any sustained period of time)11:34
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Tsjoklatwb mercurus11:34
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keteksalut11:35
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KamionTsjoklat: not having a go at you, just surprised at a simple option not being suggested and suggesting that people remember it when helping people in future, that's all :)11:37
Tsjoklatwell I didn't think of what you suggested Kamion11:38
TsjoklatI suppose being up at three in the morning will do that to you11:38
mirakmirak_ change your nick11:38
mirakmirak_ change your nick11:38
danielsmirak: nick collisions happen.  please don't repeat, and please try to be respectful as well.11:39
ketekUbuntu, what a wonderfull distribution...11:44
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cefheya daniels11:47
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danielscef: yo11:50
nevyndaniels: evening.11:57
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danielsnevyn: sup11:59
MeAndUI need to load module lm92 but it says module not found where can i get this module12:01
nevyndaniels: nommuch..12:03
nevyndaniels: I did the entire unix courseware monday..12:03
nevynthe teacher was impressed.12:03
nevyn9 minutes for the final exam.12:04
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grubermanlo12:06
nevynhello.12:07
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grubermanstarfighter is dangerous12:09
danielsnevyn: heh12:09
grubermancant stop playing it12:09
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grubermanwhy all thos games in the reps :)12:09
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ntollhey, is PHP5 available for Ubuntu? looking around on the net doesn't give me any joy and the ubuntu site doesn't contain any information that I can easily find! :-(12:12
grubermanonly php4 in the rep12:13
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ntollyeah, I know, I was wondering about PHP5 though :-)12:14
grubermanyes, an I said only php4 in the rep :)12:14
ntolljeese, its like getting blood from a stone here :-P but where can I find out about plans for PHP5 in ubuntu - timeline, testing packages etc etc12:15
Treenaksntoll: php is evil and wrong ;) but probably hoary12:15
KamionPHP5 isn't part of our core system, so it'll likely appear whenever Debian gets it12:15
Treenaksif it's in Debian now12:16
Kamionit's not12:16
grubermanTreenaks: you use python? :)12:16
Treenaksgruberman: sometimes.. learning..12:16
Treenaksgruberman: I'm more of a Perl person12:16
ntolland I can't grab a .deb for debian SID (for example) and try it on Warty?12:16
grubermanTreenaks: perl makes me blind12:17
Todd_MA_1975ntoll:  Have you tried www.dotdeb.org?12:17
Treenaksgruberman: The perl I'm cleaning up here at work makes me deaf, dumb AND blind ;)12:17
ntollTodd_MA_1975: aha, I didn't know about that site. I'll check it out. Thanks for that12:18
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grubermanTreenaks: Seems to be like masturbation - except the joy at the end ;)12:18
Treenaksgruberman: 8)12:19
ntollTreenaks: PHP=evil? and you code in Perl? Crickey, I'd rather code in Klingon (K++) :-)12:19
MeAndUmodprobe lm92 says module not found where can i get this module12:19
Treenaksntoll: at least perl can run stand-alone, without a webserver running ;)12:20
ntollQuite, but then PHP is a Hypertext Pre-processor :-P12:20
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mojo_hi all ppl12:21
mojo_any here that has WineX (Cedga) works under Ubuntu???12:21
mojo_I try to use alien to convert the RPM of Cedega12:23
mojo_and install it12:23
mojo_but it doesn't work12:23
mojo_can someone help me out? I need a working debian version of Cedega12:23
mojo_please help12:23
Todd_MA_1975mojo_ transgaming offers it in a deb.12:23
mojo_really???12:23
Todd_MA_1975I think that's how I did it....12:24
Todd_MA_1975Yeah.... It is....12:24
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vrlnmojo_: Cedega is available as a .deb too12:24
mojo_todd_ma: I chat private with u12:24
vrlnmojo_: but it's not free software12:24
mojo_really???12:24
vrlnthis channel isn't going to help you pirate it :)12:24
mojo_I cant find any .dev12:24
Todd_MA_1975Yeah12:25
mojo_only tar.gz12:25
vrln(if that is what your asking)12:25
mojo_not really12:25
mojo_CVS is ok with me too12:25
vrlnmojo_: the transgaming site has .deb:s12:25
mojo_I just need WineCVS run my War312:25
vrlnwar3 runs with normal wine too12:26
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mojo_I did run war3 with normal wine but the performance is even worse than the WineX 3.0 I used b412:27
Elwoodnothig works with wine on my pc12:28
mojo_wine is quite buggy here too12:28
Elwoodsure :)12:28
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grubermanTodd_MA_1975: wasnt winex free?12:32
Todd_MA_1975gruberman: You can get the CVS snapshot free...12:32
plovs_workTodd_MA_1975, you know how to build winex from cvs?12:34
Pizbitgruberman: Only if you got it from cvs and even then you were missing the cool stuff12:34
Todd_MA_1975From the website:12:35
Todd_MA_1975To checkout a new CVS respository:  cvs -d:pserver:cvs@cvs.transgaming.org:/cvsroot login When prompted for the password enter "cvs" cvs -z3 -d:pserver:cvs@cvs.transgaming.org:/cvsroot co winex12:35
Todd_MA_1975I think frankscorner.org has further instructions.12:35
grubermanPizbit: i don't care. I have xp for gaming (not that I play any games)12:35
Todd_MA_1975I opted to subscribe and got the debs12:35
Todd_MA_1975http://www.frankscorner.org/index.php?p=cedegacvs12:37
grubermanPizbit: And nothing is more fun than starfighter anyways :)12:37
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plovs_workTodd_MA_1975, we need a howto for wine-cvs and winex-cvs for the wiki, you any good at writing?12:37
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Todd_MA_1975I like to think that my tech-writing days are over... not my favorite thing12:38
linux_galorefranks corner has lots of info on hacking wine to get stuff working12:38
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ffddsfdscan someone help me !!12:47
mojo_I know Frank Corner12:47
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mojo_just speak out mr.ffddsfs12:47
mojo_just speak out mr.david33312:47
mojo_wondering are there any female Linux users here?12:48
david333>mojo< i am getting a keyboard error when login remotely12:48
mojo_david333: if u can give us some error msg12:48
mirakhi12:49
mirakhow to activate the arborescence at the left in nautilus ?12:49
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david333Error activating XKB configuration.12:49
david333Probably internal X server problem.12:49
david333>mojo< Probably internal X server problem.12:50
david333<mojo> Error activating XKB configuration.12:51
mojo_XKB12:51
mojo_ah!12:51
mojo_I know this bug12:51
mojo_this bug happens the same with Fedora CORE 2 beta12:52
mojo_I think this is a bad luck for u david33312:52
mojo_there are lots of discussion on X.org board about this12:52
mojo_it's fixed in Fedora CORE 212:52
mojo_but I don't think it's fixed in Warty yet12:52
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tuxxHi kapputu12:54
david333is it a problem eith xfree86?12:55
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adrian24Does anyone know where one could find a package list of this distro?12:56
adrian24I'm running debian at the moment, and I'd like to see what I'll have to go to universe for12:56
mojo_david333: yes12:57
tuxxSoftware in the "multiverse" component has not been determined to be Free Software12:57
david333how was it solved in fedora core 2 ??12:57
tuxxWhat would that be for instance?12:57
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tuxx(from Ubuntu website)12:58
adrian24actually, I'm utilise free software, just not the common stuff.12:59
adrian24maths, and electronics software, octave and the geda suite12:59
adrian24sometimes lyx12:59
nevynlatex ;)12:59
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adrian24it rocks!12:59
phincorrect me if im wrong, but did i see something about a splash screen during my last dist update?!01:00
phinit complained it didnt have a graphic file or something??01:00
nevynI've learned LaTeX in the last 4 months... it's very neat01:00
nevynI should hack on listings.sty to handle scope.01:00
adrian24I've never really delved into it the source level,01:00
nevynso when you're printing assignments for grading it understands function scopes.01:01
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adrian24lyx does most of it fine, but sometimes when things go wrong, its best to break out vim01:01
nevynadrian24: apt-get install vim-latexsuite01:01
nevyn:help latex-counters01:01
nevynand folding of latex docs in vim.01:01
adrian24hmmm - thanks, that'll be useful01:01
Kamiontuxx: e.g. mplayer01:02
Kamionhm, let's take a less controversial example01:03
Kamiontuxx: e.g. anything in Debian non-free - say, gs-aladdin01:03
tuxxKamion I just found the acroread in the rep. very nice01:03
mojo_ahrh..why DivX doesn't fully supprt Linux01:03
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nevyntuxx: acroread is worse than Xpdf imho01:04
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nevynmojo_: it's not that exactly.01:04
mojo_then??01:04
nevynmojo_: it's more there are patent encumberances which mean no commercial entity can ship them.01:04
mojo_i c01:05
adrian24gpdf has a very nice UI, but has a heart attack when loading some files.01:05
nevynany organisation that wants to do business in the states can't ship them.01:05
tuxxnevyn I've testetd gv, xpdf and some other readers including acroread. Acroread beats'em all my severel "meters"01:06
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tuxxmy/by01:06
nevynhrm space to pagedown.01:06
tuxxnevyn compatibillity - many pdf's look ugly and unreadable in eg. gv and xpdf. Those can be displayed perfectly within acroread. Also gv won't print on my system. Needless to say Acroread does that perfectly01:07
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nevynmy pdf's work in xpdf perfectly.01:08
tuxxnevyn I've came across some that doesn't01:08
nevynpdf's generated from latex work ;)01:08
sladentuxx: in terms of quality, mupdf often beats the acroread engine01:08
tuxxnevyn tell that to my bank, my cityhall etc. where I recieve bills etc. in PDF :-)01:09
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tuxxsladen I haven't tried that one. I'll test it :)01:09
nevynsladen: what uses the engine?01:09
nevyns/the/that/01:09
sladennevyn: ?01:10
nevynmupdf?01:10
sladennevyn: mupdf uses the mupdf engine01:10
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anders_I fixed my soundblaster extigy. I had only a crappy mixer with pcm1 and pcm2, now I have full OSS and ALSA mixers. Seems like the module audio conflicted with snd_usb_audio, blacklisting "audio" fixed it. Should I make a bug report or anything?01:13
grubermangah.. starfighter is broken01:13
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jay__yea ubuntu on dual processor machine01:15
jay__woohoo01:15
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pikotahi01:17
Todd_MA_1975gruberman starfighter is working for me01:17
pikotawhen i run gnome-terminal01:17
pikotaunable to create child process01:17
pikotacan anyone help me ?01:18
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nevynsladen: is it Free?01:21
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Pizbitanders_: You on the userlist?01:22
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phlowwhi all01:23
anders_Pizbit: yes, haven't posted anything yet though01:23
phlowwquestion: i set the root passwd but gdm still refuses to log in as root. whats the problem?01:24
anders_Pizbit: ok, I'll try to open a bug then01:25
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Pizbitanders_: Just report fully what you did and whatnot01:25
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Treenaksphloww: you should not use X as root01:25
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Pizbitphloww: gdm has root login disabled by default01:26
phlowwtreenaks: i know, its just a "backup" solution01:26
Treenaksphloww: there's single-user boot mode for that01:26
tuxxAny of u who play UT2004 on Ubuntu ?01:26
phlowwpizbit: thx01:27
anders_Pizbit: ok, I did "update.rc discovery remove" also because I suspected discovery of loading the audio module, but I don't know if that's related01:27
mercurusjust out of interest, I understand why legally dubious packages are not included with Ubuntu ... but is including a commented-out entry in the apt sources file beyond the legally practicable ?01:27
tuxxI'm interested in knowing whether the standard retail version includes the Linux version or not01:27
mercurustuxx: there isn't a "standard retail version" as such ... just Warty ... which is free01:28
Pizbitmercurus: The commented out bit is only the universe repository and not what you're thinking of.01:28
tuxxmercurus I'm talking ut2004, not Ubuntu :-)01:28
anders_Pizbit: "discover" that was01:28
mercurusPizbit: I know ... but is it too legally dubious to include a link to the legally dubious package source ?01:29
udoany tipps on tuning spammassassin? my successrate after WEEKS of training still sux bigtime01:29
anders_Pizbit: but I think it's unrelated so I'll leave it out01:29
Pizbitanders_: *shrug* Just put it all in and say you're not sure if it did anything or not, someone who knows might comment.01:29
anders_Pizbit: ok01:29
Todd_MA_1975phloww: If you insist on using X/gnome as root, it can be enabled by running gdmsetup.01:30
Pizbitmercurus: *shrug* The decision to get the packages, add the respository is all down to the individual so I would say not really01:30
sladennevyn: yes, it is GPL01:31
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sladennevyn: most people have not heard of x11ps either (which is a BSD PostScript interpreter)01:32
tweakedHey can someone help me?01:32
tweakedIt is for mounting a hard drive01:33
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tweakedeverytime i go to mount it is say already been mount or dictory is busy01:33
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tweakedany ideas?01:34
phlowwtodd: thx01:34
phlowwi decided to not allow root x-sessions01:34
tweakedAny one?01:34
tweakedHello01:36
Todd_MA_1975tweaked what is the full command you are using?  a plain mount will show everything that is currently mounted01:37
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tweakedi am using sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/1st01:37
Treenakstry pmount..01:38
tweakedinstead of mount?01:38
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Treenakstweaked: yes01:39
Treenaksyou won't need sudo then01:39
Treenaksman pmount01:39
tweakedError: '/' must not occur in label name01:39
tweakedthat is what it said01:39
Treenakstweaked: yes.. yuo give a label01:40
Treenaksthe "name" pmount will use under /media/01:40
tweakedlable to the hard drive?01:40
Treenakstweaked: no! the name you want it to have.. read the pmount man page01:40
sjoerdpmount only works on removable stuff, not normal harddisks01:41
Treenakstweaked: mount /dev/hdb1 whatever will mount it as /media/whatever01:41
tweakeddo you have the link?01:41
tweakedok i will try that01:41
Treenakstweaked: yes, just type "man pmount"01:41
tweakedin the media folder i need to make a dictory or a folder?01:42
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Treenakstweaked: pmount will do that for you01:43
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tweakedor do i need to typr man pmount /dev/hdb1 /media01:43
tweakedis that right01:43
Treenaksno no no01:43
Treenaksman pmount = the pmount manual page01:43
fluxyHello. I am looking for a list of hardware supported by Ubuntu. Can anyone please help me?01:43
Treenaksread it. it'll tell you how to start pmount.01:43
tweakeddo you have a link to the page?01:44
Treenakstweaked: just type 'man pmount', that will show you the manual!01:45
Todd_MA_1975fluxy: There is not a specific list that I know of.  Googling is a good idea.  What are you specifically concerned about?01:45
Treenakstweaked: no "page"01:45
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linux_galorefluxy: mandrake site has a Linux hardware list I use that sometimes....01:47
noneussuse has one too. it's great.01:48
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linux_galoresomeone should do a linux-hardware.org site01:48
Treenaksthere is one..01:48
linux_galoreyeah but is it generic01:49
linux_galoreoften hardware is listed as supported but only set features work not everything01:49
Treenakshm.. it could be a good idea..01:50
noneuswhen i'm looking around if hardware works on linux i check some forums.01:50
noneusthe best way the find out if the hardware works without any problems01:50
fluxythanks everyone01:51
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TreenaksI tend to use google..01:51
Treenaksand I have some pages on my site that explain how to use weird hardware that I couldn't find on google01:51
Treenaks(http://foodfight.org/linux/)01:51
tweakedthat did nto help one bit01:52
Treenakstweaked: what? the manual page?01:54
tweakedyes i tried and it did not work01:54
tweakedthe hd is in linux format01:54
tweakedbut it is not auto decting it01:55
Treenakstweaked: what's the error?01:55
tweakedError: could not determine real path of the device: No such file or directory01:55
tweakeddo i need to make a directory?01:56
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callistohi01:59
tweakedTreenaks: Have any idea?01:59
udHi, I need the X Window System libraries and headers to compile some source can anyone tell me what I need to apt to get these?02:00
cardadorud: use synaptic and search for what you want02:01
mjrxlibs-dev, likely02:02
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cardadorud: computer > syst conf > synaptic02:02
udno ill stick with the commandline :)02:02
udill do a apt-cache search02:02
tweakedTeenaks: Are you there02:02
cardadorud: then use smt like apt-cache search02:03
udok thanks :)02:03
cardadorud: :D02:03
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defendguini just updated lvm via apt and now nautilus wont start up02:08
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omarhas anyone tried installing the 2.6.9 kernel with ubuntu??02:10
tweakedCan someone else help me on mounting a harddrive?02:10
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GotD0thow do i burn a dvd iso?02:10
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defendguinGotD0t, man growisofs02:11
omarGotDot: use k3b to burn a dvd iso!!02:11
tweakedAny one know how to mount a harddrive02:11
GotD0tk3b doesn't like me02:11
GotD0tnever sees my drive02:11
defendguinomar, k3b on ubuntu == mess02:11
GotD0tthank you defendguin02:11
omarGotDot: trust me it works i used it yesterday to burn dvd and cd02:11
GotD0tit works on YOUR system omar02:12
omarGotDot: make sure  you sudo k3b it works better that way02:12
omartweaked: sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hd02:12
defendguinhmmmm more gnome apps are stuck02:13
tweakeddid that said it was already mounted or directory is busy02:13
omarso has anyone installed the 2.6.9 kernel yet??02:13
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omartweaked: what drive you trying to mount?02:15
omartweaked: you have more than one physical drive in your system?02:15
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defendguinuggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg none of my gnome apps work now02:15
tweakeda harddrive, slave02:16
tweakedyes02:16
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defendguinwhat a brilliant update02:16
omar<defendguin: corrupted system huh?02:16
omartweaked: you have to chown the 2nd drive02:16
tweakedhow do i do that02:16
omartweaked: then format it02:16
defendguinits probably a gconf or some other setting02:16
mercurushmm ... I have an odd situation ... specifically .. I can't boot my shiney new Ubuntu system, citing what appears to be a kernel panic on boot ...02:16
mercurusyet it boots fine with the recovery mode ...02:17
Treenaksmercurus: flaky hardware that isn't always flaky?02:17
Treenaksmercurus: are you overclocking?02:17
mercurusmount is dying with an odd error, that seems to occur frequently on google's database ... without many solutions02:17
mercurusTreenaks, no, and no.02:17
omartweaked: chown /dev/hdb user:user02:18
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mercurusit could be NFS related ... I've just disabled NFS and I'm rebooting02:18
sjoerdomar: that's very very stupid02:18
mercurusyeo ... that's the problem.02:18
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theineis anybody else getting ``** (process:6852): CRITICAL **: file eggdesktopentries.c: line 2223 ...'' when doing dpkg-reconfigure of some packages?02:19
mercurusbooting up nicely now ... and the mount error was correct, although it wasn't mounting any NFS mounts at boottime ... it didn't like it at all.02:19
omar<sjoerd: its just to get him access to the 2nd drive for now02:19
mercurusI was trying to use the nfs-kernel-server package02:19
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kenttheine, i have that aswell, but I have not seen any real errors in normal use of my computer.02:20
mercurusanyone here successfully using NFS kernel server ?02:20
sjoerdomar: no reason to throw all security completely overboard02:20
defendguinhmmmm even the gnome logout util isnt working02:20
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omarsjoerd : I meant user as his username not general user02:20
sjoerdomar: that doesn't matter.. all his process now have raw access to the drive02:22
tweakedthanks for your help02:22
omarsjoerd: You are right no arguments there02:22
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udohow long do i have to train spamassassin until it does not suck any longer?02:22
theinekent: are you running warty or hoary?02:22
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Todd_MA_1975theine: yes I am - in HOary haven't bothered to investigate yet though02:27
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helkanaurHmm.. I'm having some trouble with mounting a harddisk.. The filesystem is fat32, and I have done 'mount -t vfat /dev/hdb5 /mnt/media02:32
helkanaurBut the folder /mnt/media is empty02:32
kenttheine, warty.02:32
kenttheine, sorry for not responding sooner, i didnt watch the irc-window..02:32
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helkanaurHmm.. and when i do 'mount', it says '/dev/hdb5 on /mnt/media type vfat (rw)' at the bottom. So it's there..?02:35
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defendguinwell at least xchat and gaim settings arnt stored in gconf02:36
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dobhi02:39
dobif there is a security problem on universe what happen ? the package is updated as soon as possible?02:40
tsengnope.02:40
dobwhat happen then?02:41
tsengnothing, its unsupported02:41
dopeyunless my understanding of universe is flawed, it'd be up to whomever was maintaining that package repository to do the security updates02:41
tsengthere is no maintaining02:41
tsengwarty is frozen02:41
Mithrandirwe will do updates as time and resources permits, but it's certainly not a priority.02:41
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gparthi02:42
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Mithrandirif we get a patch and are pointed to one, there are certainly chances we'll apply it.02:42
TsjoklatI wish when I update synaptic it would stop giving me errors about the repositories02:43
gparti want to install ubuntu on a pc, without any internal hard-disk. is it possible to install it on a usb-attached disk?02:43
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dobok i understand02:43
mvo_Tsjoklat: what errors does it give you?02:44
Tsjoklatmvo_ unable duplicate something02:44
savuziilhow can i share folders to my network with ubuntu02:44
TsjoklatI only have that when I enable universe02:44
Tsjoklatas soon as I  uncheck it it stops doing it02:45
mvo_you probably have two "main" sections in your sources02:45
Tsjoklatwhat does that mean?02:45
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savuziilcould anyone tell me how to share folders in linux? (i'm new to linux)02:46
mvo_Tsjoklat: if you just add "universe" after the current "main restricted" entry it should work02:46
TsjoklatI followed the instructions on the wiki page02:46
Tsjoklatsaying it should be: universe multiverse02:47
Tsjoklatthat wrong too?02:47
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mvo_Tsjoklat: that one is correct02:47
Tsjoklatso I do: main restriced universe multiverse?02:47
Tsjoklatand remove the two I added?02:48
mvo_Tsjoklat: that should work, yes02:48
Tsjoklatthe two for universe multiverse02:48
mvo_Tsjoklat: the problem is usually that you have the same section in more than one entry02:48
Tsjoklatlet me try it out02:48
mvo_Tsjoklat: ok :)02:48
Tsjoklat:)02:49
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savuziilcould someone tell me how to share folders to my network with ubuntu, or maybe a link that teaches how to do it02:50
mvo_Tsjoklat: can you please give me the url for the wiki instructions? so that I can check it02:50
Tsjoklatlet me look it up02:50
b_e_n_zsavuziil, what kind of network?02:50
savuziilboth computers have ubuntu installed02:51
b_e_n_zsavuziil, you mean using NFS?02:51
stvnsavuziil: you could opt for nfs02:51
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TsjoklatCouldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)02:52
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stvnTsjoklat: sudo apt-get update02:53
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savuziilim using a windows network also, i can get files from my win boxes but how can i share folders to the network on ubuntu02:53
stvnsavuziil: install samba02:54
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NewGuytest02:55
savuziillet me rephrase that i can get files from my win boxes, and i can see my ubuntu boxes, but they have no folders shared, how can i share folders02:55
theineare there any newer versions of the ubuntu-kernel than 2.6.8.1?02:55
Treenaksapt-get update ?02:55
NewGuycould not find requirements or supported hardware list from ubuntu web page. did I miss something?02:56
NewGuyspecific question: does ubuntu come with ipw2100 support out of the box?02:56
Tsjoklatmvo_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.341450654302:56
spivNewGuy: Yes.02:56
theineNewGuy: Yes!02:57
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theineNewGuy: Although the driver version is a bit outdated02:57
NewGuysure? which version?02:57
theine0.5302:57
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mvo_Tsjoklat: thanks. does it work now without the error?02:57
Todd_MA_1975savuziil: /etc/samba/smb.conf -- The config file is pretty well commented with some examples down bottom02:57
Tsjoklathttp://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto02:58
NewGuyi can live with that. i'll download ubuntu tomorrow...02:58
Tsjoklatsorry last one02:58
NewGuywe are talking about a convert from another debian based distro here...02:58
theineNewGuy: There's a package called ipw2100-source in the universe repository, which is 0.5502:58
NewGuydon't worry, I'm able to compile it from the source, I'm actuallly hunting for the best distro for my boss.02:59
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NewGuyhis card is supported very well, I just would like to use the same distro to give best supo03:00
NewGuysupport03:00
NewGuysame distro with minimal changes...03:00
NewGuyi kind of feel that gnome would be better for him than kde...03:00
Tsjoklatmvo_ do I add universe multiverse also to the security bit?03:01
NewGuyin the future i would like to convert 2 companies from xp  to penquin.03:01
NewGuytotal of like 50 people...03:01
NewGuycool huh?03:01
NewGuypromises....promises....03:01
b_e_n_zNewGuy, are you a consultant?03:02
NewGuynope, i'm in sales...03:02
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NewGuythe other guys just feel jelaous (or how do you spell it) that i have no problem vith viruses...03:02
b_e_n_zon linux there's something else called rootkits03:03
NewGuywe got a corporate rule that virus inspection has to run daily and it has been set up to run at noon... takes up all recources and you can't control it...03:03
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Kamiongood excuse to go for lunch. :)03:04
epodis there a package I can install to get a nice boot-up screen like the livecd has for my Ubuntu install?03:04
NewGuyi started to use linux to prove that it is possible to use it in business environment, now they want it all.... just gotta have a good support for wireless and bluetooth. + lcd projectors...03:05
izepod, do you mean gdm?03:05
epodiz: no, I mean when the system is actually booting03:05
b_e_n_zepod, you mean framebuffer splash?03:05
NewGuyour work time is somewhat flexible and 12o'clock is not actually the understanding of lunch....03:06
epodiz: the livecd has a nice screen with a bar that moves, I don't want to see all the text scrolling by03:06
izaha okay03:06
b_e_n_zhe means bootsplash03:06
NewGuygo one with supporting other guys, if ubuntu is gonna work on my laptop and on my bosses... then hey, somebody is losing sales. (Mr. B. Gates for example)03:06
wfxhi, wich one for flash should i install flashplugin-nonfree or flashplayer-mozilla?03:07
epodmaydie03:07
epodoops03:07
izgrub-splashimages - a collection of great GRUB splashimages03:08
mvo_Tsjoklat: I think you should add universe/multiverse as well to the security entry03:08
epodiz: so that's what I want? cool.03:08
epodone other thing.  I have an external USB hard disk plugged in, but I have no idea how to find it.  Can anyone help me out? :)03:08
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izbrb must reboot extra harddisk03:09
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b_e_n_zepod, check /dev/sda and mount it03:10
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epodok,one second03:10
wfxwhat does update-grub do03:11
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epodit mounted, but I can't view it as my user account03:13
epodstupid ntfs.03:13
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b_e_n_zmount it with the proper dmask and fmask options03:13
epodb_e_n_z, forgive my ignorance, how do I find out what those would be?03:14
b_e_n_zepod, i normally use dmask=0022,fmask=002203:15
epodso then, mount /dev/sda1 -t ntfs dmask=0022 fmask=0022 /mnt03:15
epod?03:15
altanWarning: Locale not supported by C library, locale unchanged <--- I get this on any X app that I start through the command line.03:15
altanMy location is set to Turkey, could that be a reason?03:15
wfxif i edit the menu.lst why i should use update-grup?03:15
b_e_n_zepod, mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 -o dmask=0022,fmask=0022 /mnt03:16
Tsjoklatmvo_ it worked, thanks03:16
Tsjoklattoodles all03:16
epodthanks03:16
darkersatanicwfx: No reason at all to use it in that case.03:16
darkersatanicwfx: update-grub looks for kernels, and generates a menu.lst entry (actually two entries) for each one.03:17
mvo_Tsjoklat: jw :)03:17
Tsjoklat:)03:17
wfxdarkersatanic, thx, so it makes some automatic.03:18
TreenaksTsjoklat: still here? :P03:19
wfxwhy does mplayer-custom depend on xmms?03:19
wfxwfx version 1:1.0-pre5-0.6ubuntu103:20
NewGuygot one more question...03:21
NewGuyhow does ubuntu handle the partitions on install?03:21
NewGuyautomatic? manual?03:21
b_e_n_zboth03:21
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NewGuyi got home (1GB) swap (~500Mb) root ~2Gb prepared on my bosses computer....03:22
NewGuy+ all the other partitions (hda1 for XP and something arount hda8 for fat32)03:23
NewGuywill it work?03:23
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debonziHi all! If you speaks portuguese you can now join the new #ubuntu-pt channel. Cheers03:25
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geoff__please how do you "uncomment" lines in /etc/apt/sources.list to be able to download universe packages? Newbie03:27
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mercurusgeoff__: see how there are "#" signs ? remove those on the relevent line03:28
mojo_geofff: remove the # b4 the line03:28
Todd_MA_1975geoff:__: sudo nano /etc/apt.sources.list   -- then remove the # signs at the beginning of the lines.  Ctrl-O to save Ctrl-X to exit03:28
debonzigeoff__, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe03:29
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winkleHmmm, any reasons for leaving jabberd2 out?03:29
mojo_hey man03:29
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mojo_Hoary get new updates03:29
Acridienwinkle: what's that ?03:29
mojo_now Synaptic works again03:29
mojo_haha03:29
youpihi how to read and write on floppy?03:29
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nictukuis there a ubuntu-way to edit services startup? I know how to change things in /etc/rc?.d, but is there a proper gnome tool for that?03:30
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Acridienwinkle: what is jabberd2?03:31
geoff__thanks guys for your help with "uncommenting" here I go.03:32
nictukugeoff__:03:32
nictukuhaha03:32
mercurusAcridien: a chat server ... for jabber clients03:32
nictukuthat was childish03:32
winkleAcridien: Isn't it obvious from the name? :) Version 2 of the jabber server...03:32
mtearle_jdub: awake?03:32
nictukugeoff__: remove # from the beginning03:33
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WWHello world.03:33
Acridienwinkle: not for the novice in computers03:33
WWDoes anybody here use reStructured Text? (The wiki markup language.)03:34
plovs_worknictuku, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuBootupHowto services stuff03:34
plovs_workWW, yes03:34
Acridienwinkle: I know you like to feel superior whenever one have the opportunity03:34
Acridienwinkle: :-D03:34
WWplovs_work: Hey plovs.  Can it generated numbered lists automatically?03:35
NewGuyOK, gotta go. another business meeting, I hope next week i'll be able to present my stuff from ubuntu03:35
WWgenerate*03:35
nictukuplovs_work: thank you!03:35
plovs_workWW, brb03:35
winkleAcridien: Ehm...03:35
WWplovs_work: In all the examples I see in the docs, the numbers have been "hard-coded" eg 1. blah blah   2. blah blah03:36
WWplovs_work: and not 0. blah blah    0. blah blah03:36
Acridienwinkle: what jabber client do you use ?03:36
winkleAcridien: Gossip.03:37
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arun--i have a pentium 266 MMX with 64 MB ram, and if i am not wrong a 4MB video card (may be 2MB) i am not sure. will ubuntu run on it atleast as a decent workstation?03:37
Acridienwinkle: gush is bugging with ubuntu flash pkg03:37
Acridienwinkle i tried psy that is cool03:38
mercurusarun--: it will run, but it will be slow ... you'd want to tun off a LOT of the eyecandy, and even consider ditching GNOME for xfce03:38
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plovs_workWW, i have not been able too, and it is nowhere in the official docs, sm is on vacation ask him after the 8th in #zwiki, but i guess not03:39
plovs_workWW, bummer03:39
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arun--mercurus: thanx, anyway i dont know what to do with that junk03:39
nictukuI dont get it. why ubuntu starts rsync by default?03:39
udDoes ubuntu have anything like xv to set root background picture?03:40
mercurusarun--: it will run, quite adequately once it is loaded ... but it'll take a while to load03:40
mercurusud: yes, by default it uses GNOME ... which can tile, center, stretch and so on pixmaps, pngs, bmps, gifs, jpegs, etc. onto the X windows background03:41
WWplovs_work: Too bad.  I was going to try to reformat the wiki FAQ with reST (using the replace directive to build a "table of contents" by hand in a fairly convenient way), but if reST can even automatically number a list, I won't bother using it.03:41
arun--mercurus: will give it a try03:41
udhmm. when I installed ubuntu I went the custom boot options without gnome03:42
mercurusarun--: :)03:42
udI am using Badwm03:42
udso gnome isnt much use to me :(03:42
mercurusud: then I'd do an apt-cache search for xv or similar ...03:42
mercurusyou could use wmsetbg or bbsetbg ..?03:42
udill try those as I have already checked for xv and it wasnt found03:43
udthanks03:43
arun--good light weight editor for scripting languages?03:43
epodcan someone direct me to instructions for getting a splash screen for when my system is booting, like the livecd has?03:43
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TycheHello03:44
TycheI just installed gdesklets and karamba and not sure how to start them....can anyone assist me with this?03:45
youpiserver x doesn't run at boot, radeon 9000, fglrx installed, fglrxconfig done, fglrx start as module, fglrxinfo answer non display 0, what i can do to have server x?03:45
danielsdon't install fglrx.03:46
danielsyour card is fully supported for 3d with the standard drivers03:46
epoderm... why won't mp3s play.03:46
arun--daniels, yeah the xfree86 supports is pretty good03:46
youpidaniels it never runs after my 1st install ubuntu03:46
izTyche, start in user/share/gdesklets gedesklets03:46
danielsyoupi: standard, or fglrx?03:46
seb128Tyche: for gdesklets, install gdesklets-data en read /usr/share/doc/gdesklets-data/README.Debian03:47
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izgdekslets03:47
izargh03:47
iztypo03:47
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youpidaniels after install ubuntu, server x crach and after i install fgrlx it always crash03:47
izTyche, do you have install gdesklets-data ?03:47
TycheI think so, let me double check on that iz03:48
WWs/can/can't/  (way back ^^^)03:48
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youpiserver x doesn't run at boot, radeon 9000, fglrx installed, fglrxconfig done, fglrx start as module, fglrxinfo answer non display 0, what i can do to have server x?03:48
TycheYes I have the gdesklets-data installed. I will go look at that Readme that seb128 suggested.03:49
izyup, you must go to the dir displays later03:49
danielsyoupi: so report a bug against xserver-xfree86 on our bugzilla with /var/log/XFree86.0.log and /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 attached, please03:49
danielsyoupi: fglrx will only make a bad problem worse03:50
youpii can remove fglrx ? daniels03:50
plovs_workWW, we will complain about it during the coming meeting, i feel your pain, i use ReST all the time and the lack of macro's is bad, there is a scripting language but it is diabled03:51
WWplovs_work: The closest thing to macros that I found is the "replace" directive.  If you haven't tried it, take a look a WikiSandBox.03:52
WWat*03:52
plovs_workWW, looking ...03:52
spacey`kiis the entire package tree available for ubuntu ppc ?03:52
spacey`kior only a few?03:53
Todd_MA_1975epod : http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for your mp3s03:53
youpidaniels after installed ubuntu xf86log says it can see device, i haven't device ati on xf86config-4, with fglrx it writes the device but alaways crash03:54
danielsyoupi: i would need the full log and configuration file03:54
danielsyoupi: and yeah, remove fglrx, it sucks03:54
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plovs_workWW, ah, yes, nice but i prefer [[TableOfContents] ] 03:55
WWplovs_work: Me too... much easier.  But will it ever be available?03:56
Telepdaniels: fglrx is the ati driver, yes?03:56
danielsTelep: the binary ati driver, yes03:56
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eruditushi03:57
Telepdaniels: any idea whether that could be behind ubuntu freezing often while using OpenOffice?03:57
erudituscan anyone help me? - I need to setup pppoe during installation...03:57
geoff__Sorry but how do I delete the #'s to uncomment packages?03:57
Treenaksgeoff__: which editor are you using?03:58
mojo_geoff__: use a text editor, try Gedit,03:58
Telepgeoff__: with a text editor? You need to have admin privileges, ie. use "sudo"03:58
danielsTelep: no idea, sorry03:58
eruditushelp...03:58
Kamiongeoff__: you might find it easier to use synaptic's Repositories menu item03:58
Kamiongeoff__: (Computer -> System Configuration -> Synaptic Package Manager)03:59
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eruditusanyone?03:59
Treenakseruditus: just ask your question03:59
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Kamionhe did03:59
Kamion14:57 < eruditus> can anyone help me? - I need to setup pppoe during installation...03:59
kensaiI see the sound bug in hoary for via8235 ac 97' has been fixed can I now safely upgrade to hoary?04:00
eruditusTreenaks- already have...04:00
Telepdaniels: it's weird, when working in a document in OO, the processor fires up to 100% and the whole gui, keyboard, everything, freezes04:00
danielskensai: which part of the 8235 didn't work under hoary?04:00
Kamioneruditus: you'll need to install the pppoe package by hand; will be a pretty manual process, I'm afraid04:00
Tyche GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:04:00
TycheAuthentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.04:00
TychegDesklets 0.26.204:00
Kamioneruditus: sorry, I mean pppoeconf04:00
eruditusKamion- not a problem - how do I do that?04:00
Kamionapt-get install pppoeconf04:01
plovs_workWW, we will beat up the admins one more time04:01
Kamioneruditus: I think that's how you go about it, anyway; I've never used pppoe myself04:01
eruditusKamion- I won't be online - I have no net connection until I get that going...04:01
Kamioneruditus: actually ... hmm ... pppoeconf is in base04:01
eruditusKamion- will that affect the install?04:01
eruditusKamion- so I could just run it, right?04:02
Kamionso it's already installed; try just running pppoeconf04:02
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eruditusKamion- thanks a lot. Ok - time to install ubuntu a second time :)04:02
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Todd_MA_1975kensai: That was my bugreport - yes it has been fixed.  But I wouldn't say that it is "safe" to upgrade to hoary...It is expected to be painfully unstable over the next few weeks04:03
WWplovs_work: OK, have fun! :)04:03
kensaiyeah but I mean in audio now is it safe?04:03
plovs_workWW, :)04:03
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kensaiTodd_MA_1975: so I just upgrade and audio will still work?04:04
Todd_MA_1975kensai: Yes audio is working again....04:04
Tycheseb128 you there still?04:05
seb128yes04:05
TycheI was able to run gdesklets and now I get this error04:05
Tyche GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:04:05
TycheAuthentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.04:05
TychegDesklets 0.26.204:05
kensaiTodd_MA_1975: SO I won't need to change anything just upgrade and automagically it will be working? SOrry but I'm a newbie in audio for linux and I'm scare it won't work right out of the bopx ;)04:05
TreenaksTyche: are you running them as yourself?04:05
TycheTreenaks: I am running it in a root terminal04:06
seb128Tyche: don't run it as root04:06
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Todd_MA_1975kensai: Yes nothing will change in the upgrade.  The problem was with an upgraded discover package which was fixed.    But be fair warned it is really not recommended to be running Hoary unless you are prepared to have things break.04:07
kensaiTodd_MA_1975: you mean some programs break?04:07
TycheSeb128: Okay I tried that and I get no errors. Do I need to edit the display first? Sorry, new to all of this.04:07
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TreenaksTyche: don't do that.. run it as yourself04:08
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kensaiTodd_MA_1975: well thats the price of debian unstable but I really like debian unstable so I'll try. Thanks For everything Todd04:08
seb128Tyche: no, just keep it running and click on some display in /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays04:08
TycheSeb128: I ran: /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/weather-desklet and then I ran  $ gdesklets weather-full.display04:09
TycheOh, okay.04:09
seb128cd /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/weather-desklet && gdesklets weather-full.display04:09
seb128that should work too yes04:09
Todd_MA_1975kensai:  Yes.  All sorts of things have been happening.  Synaptic was broken.  There was/is a drag-n-drop problem.  etc...  Hoary as I understand is much more bleeding edge/unstable than Debian unstable at this point.04:09
wxs1.1.20final+cvs20040330-4ubuntu16.2 - can someone please explain to me how a person is supposed to know which version of a piece of software is newer when you use strings like that?04:09
seb128but you need to get the first "gdesklets" running somewhere, that's the "server" part04:10
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seb128wxs: what's the problem with the version ?04:10
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seb128wxs: 1.1.20 is the released version, updated to the 20040330 cvs tree04:10
seb128wxs: and -4ubuntu16.2 is the package revision04:11
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wxsso why not leave out the release version - since it isn't a release04:11
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wxsit's a cvs snapshot04:11
whackI think there should be more versions in your version number04:11
whackclearly there needs to be atleast 8 kinds of information in it04:12
seb128wxs: that doesn't work ... we had 1.1.20, and we will have a new version, let's say 1.1.2104:12
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Kamionwxs: dpkg --compare-versions04:12
seb128wxs: 20040330cvs is not between the 2 tarballs version04:12
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FoxfyreHowdy all04:12
Kamion"is X less than Y" => 'dpkg --compare-versions X lt Y && echo yes'04:12
TycheSeb128: and something should pop open right? I don't see anything...04:13
FoxfyreSo I have this weird x in the middle of my screen, it looks like a cursor x but my cursor works fine - anyone know anything about it and how to get rid of it?04:13
whackthere's a reason we use version numbers and not version paragraphs.04:13
seb128Tyche: yes. If that doesn't pop look on the gnome-terminel where gdesklets is running the output04:13
wxshaha04:13
seb128Tyche: you have kept the first instance running before adding the display, right ?04:13
Kamionwhack: version numbers have to be monotonically increasing; when circumstances make that difficult then the version number tends to inflate to cope04:13
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whackseb128: so why not use a 4 page disertation for the version "number" since dpkg can handle it?04:13
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Tycheseb128: Is there a place I can read up on this, I hate bothering you and I am probably doing some newbie mistake.04:14
whackKamion: I'm being serious04:14
Kamionwhack: doesn't look like it04:14
whackWhy stop at 3 different, more-or-less irrelevant numbering systems? Why not add more?04:14
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seb128whack: there is one system04:15
wxswhack: because complexity will often fool people into thinking it's superior04:15
seb128whack: apparently you don't get the problem, that's all04:15
mwh_anyone installed NetworkManager on Ubuntu?04:15
wxswhoops, did i say that?04:15
seb128ok, you guys are just trolling, I stop here :)04:15
wxs*gasp* he's onto us!04:16
danielswhack: i invite you to send a proposal of any length, as opposed to just 'you suck'04:16
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whackseb128: if by trollling you mean being intrigued why anyone would bother inflating versioning systems to make them look cooler?04:16
whackseb128: why is cvs date used, for instance?04:16
seb128whack: because that provides a real information on the date ?04:16
danielswhack: why would you not use the cvs date?  so people know when it's from.04:16
mirak_-jeez guys....what did I miss04:16
danielswhack: otherwise it's impossible to do anything with it04:16
seb128that's the cvs tree from 2004033004:16
whackseb128: so does stat(1).04:16
whackwhat cvs tree?04:17
Kamionwhack: if you think it's just "to make them look cooler", you're trolling, sorry; there was a technical reason why the version number ended up looking that way.04:17
seb128whack: the sources of the software04:17
danielswhack: this is unproductive.  if you aren't going to suggest a concrete alternative, please spend your time thinking of one instead.04:17
whackseb128: so if it's a release, what's the point of having a cvs date on it04:17
danielswhack: 'you suck' never gets anyone anywhere, and this is something that has been considered and discussed to death already.04:17
seb128whack: that's not a release, that's a snapshot of the source04:17
Kamionwhack: it's not a release, it's a snapshot between two releases04:17
wfxvery often is the cdrom busy -> cant open, remove cd. how can i fix this04:17
danielswhack: it's not a release.  it's a cvs snapshot (taken on the 30th of March, 2004) that lies between two releases.04:17
seb128:)04:18
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danielswhack: if I gave you a date in time, you wouldn't be able to tell me which version of XFree86/D-BUS/whatever that corresponds to, I'm betting04:18
FoxfyreCan anyone help me with the rogue X I asked about?04:18
thoreauputicwfx: get out of the mount point, usually. You probably have a file manager open or something04:18
whackdaniels: 99% of the world doesn't care, nor does it affect or improve things.04:19
danielsFoxfyre: put 'Option "SWCursor"' in the Device section of /etc/X11/XF86Config-404:19
seb128whack: just don't read the versions so04:19
seb128whack: update and use04:19
danielswhack: if it offends your sensibilities, I'm sorry, but there are legitimate reasons why it's being done.04:19
FoxfyreI'll try that, thanks daniels04:19
wfxthoreauputic, im not in the cdrom directory( terminal) and none nautilus window is open04:19
Kamionwhack: 99% of the world cares about things working; this arrangement means things work, when they wouldn't otherwise04:20
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Tibozhey all04:20
Tibozi got a problem using rhytmbox04:20
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whackKamion: becuase you need to build a new package of JoesBadProject every 5 minutes as you can cvs update?04:20
thoreauputicwfx: something is using the CD-ROM - lsof in a terminal might help04:20
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Tibozit doesn't play mp3 files, telling me he doesn't have the right codec04:20
Tibozhow can i change this ?04:21
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Todd_MA_1975Tiboz: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats04:21
Tibozthanks04:21
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wfxthoreauputic, thx there was a zombi named mplayer that block it ;-)04:22
thoreauputicwfx: :) problem solved!04:23
Tux234OK I got a really weird sound problem04:23
Tux234I can hear sounds from all GNOME apps04:23
Tux234Except for the sound events04:23
wfxthoreauputic, yes solved, you got five ;-)04:23
Tux234Butno sound from games04:23
thoreauputicwfx :-)04:24
Tux234plus I don't have /dev/dsp04:24
Tux234What in the world is going on?04:24
rebirthi be back04:25
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Tux234Oops almost forgot I did lsmod and I have all the correct modules loaded04:25
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Tux234and sound events are enabled04:26
gorpinHello. I've got a problem. I can't access ubuntu web site & ubuntu repositories. apt-get update just hangs.. my internet connection is ok (I can access everything else). Any ideas?04:27
Dekkardwhiprush?04:28
sgtshattagorpin: do clean install04:28
Dekkardgorpin: edit your sources lists in synaptic04:28
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FoxfyreThanks guys! Worked like a charm04:30
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whiprushDekkard: yeah?04:33
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wfxthx, and by04:35
gorpinok. i'm back. had to reboot (i was writing from my debian/sid system). apt was working properly till yesterday afternoon (CEST). Since then it doesn't and the strange thing is I can't connect to www.ubuntulinux.org04:36
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mwh_what is the prefered way to install hoary?04:39
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mwh_is there special iso's for it?04:39
mwh_can one upgrade to it from a standard warty?04:40
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raphaHi all!04:43
Foxfyrehowdy04:43
raphaIs there a package that contains all patches applied to the 2.6.8.1-2-386 Warty kernel?04:43
deFrysklinux-i38604:45
gorpini just asked my friend to try to connect to ubuntu home page and he couldn't. Does anyone else have this problem?04:45
deFryskapt-get install linux-i38604:45
Todd_MA_1975mwh_: in /etc/apt/sources.list change each warty to a hoary.  However be warned that it is not recommend to run hoary at this time unless you are prepared to have problems.04:45
deFryskhoary broke my warty04:45
deFrysk;p04:45
raphadeFrysk: Synaptic doesn't show a "linux-386" package...04:46
mwh_Todd_MA_1975: I was thinking to install it as a seperate system04:46
Foxfyregorpin: I connected fine04:46
raphaAAAH!04:46
mwh_Todd_MA_1975: so basically I should install warty and then change sources.list to get stuff from hoary04:46
raphaFound it! linux-patch-debian04:46
gorpinFoxfyre: ok.. this is strange :)04:47
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Todd_MA_1975mwh_: OK by me.... yeah do a upgrade after you change the sources list.  New packages are being added fairly often04:47
Foxfyregorpin, probably server sync problems, give it an hour or so.04:47
Foxfyrenot sync, I mean dns04:47
Foxfyreugh, I need caffeine04:47
gorpin:))04:47
raphaOh boy, that's 1.5 megs of kernel patches.04:47
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Todd_MA_1975gorpin:  you can try doing a tracepath www.ubuntulinux.org to see how far you get04:48
raphaI want to apply INotify, Software Suspend 2 and Bootsplash. Good luck to me :-)04:48
FoxfyreAnyone know where to find new themes for the gdm login screen?04:48
mwh_art.gnome.org04:48
Foxfyrethanks04:48
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mwh_anyone translate ubuntu? Im looking for a way to start, is there like anonymous cvs to check out the translation files?04:49
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Wobbzcan someone please help me.. with a "minor" (i guess) problem :)04:49
edwoodhi04:49
HWolfmsg nickserv set email hc_brugmans@elitemail.org04:49
HWolfWhoops. :-)04:50
HWolf;-)04:50
Wobbzi cant seem to access root :(04:50
Wobbzi tried that: sudo password root04:50
Wobbzand typed in my pass (which didnt actually appear on the screen... classic password terminal style, just Password: and then a blinking box)04:50
mjrpasswd04:50
Wobbzi typed in my password04:50
Wobbzlogged out, goto login as root (with the password i just set) and it doesnt work?!04:51
Wobbzok i think ur right mjr :)04:51
Todd_MA_1975Wobbz:  GDM doesn't allow root logins by default.....It is not recommended to run X/Gnome as root.04:51
Wobbzi think i may have to04:52
Wobbzto setup my wifi card04:52
Wobbzyay, mjr was right! :) root is working04:52
mjrno you don't04:52
Wobbznow can someone help me with my WiFi card? it just plain doesnt work04:52
Todd_MA_1975Wobbz: you should be able to do everything with sudo04:52
Wobbzit should be based on the orinoco chipset04:52
Wobbz(Avaya 802.11b)... silver card04:53
mjryou can run only some x programs as root04:53
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Wobbzwell iwconfig is now letting me set stuff04:54
Wobbzit was having a cry before04:54
hackeronWobbz: did you get it to work in any other linux distributions?04:54
Wobbzhackeron - i tried knoppix, but it was an older distro (v 3.3, kernel 2.4*)04:55
Wobbzand no, it didnt work04:55
Wobbzfrom my understanding, the orinoco chipset is natively supported by linux04:55
raphaIndeed04:55
Tychewhere is the file location of nautilis?04:55
raphaTyche: eh?04:56
hackeronWobbz: there are quite a few wireless drivers out there, and only some distributions have good detection scripts. Ubuntu and debian are useless however. I had my wireless card work on just about any distribution except for on ubuntu and debian04:56
TycheSorry, where is 'nautilus' located?04:56
TycheI want to add it to my panel.04:56
raphaTyche: type "which nautilus" in a terminal and find out for yourself.04:56
raphaTyche: icons are under /usr/share/icons and /usr/share/pixmaps.04:57
TycheDidn't know I could do that.04:57
raphaSee, now you do :-)04:57
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raphaHmm05:03
raphaHow do I unapply the patches made to the Ubuntu 2.6.8.1 kernel sources05:03
raphathe unapply/debian script is looking for a "version.Debian" file.05:03
Tibozwhy don't you just download the vanilla from kernel.org ?05:04
raphaBecause I already have this one and am on 56k.05:04
Tibozoki05:04
Tibozthat's a good reason ;)05:05
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Tibozfor the patch i don't know, i never did this05:05
raphaHmm05:06
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jonhhello05:07
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mwh_Is there any interest in having mono shiped with Ubuntu and in general available as maintained packages?05:07
mwh_anyone working on this?05:08
mwh_I ask because im thinking on making some packages of mono05:08
raphamwh_: There are mono packages already.05:08
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mwh_rapha: realy05:08
raphahttp://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs05:08
raphamwh_: And discussions are still going on whether mono should be included; doesn't look too good though :-/05:09
mwh_ahh05:09
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mwh_I hope so05:09
dasenjoHi .. Im downloading warty with jigdo .. and I got the error message: "Aaargh - 69 files could not be downloaded. This should not ..."05:09
mwh_mono-1.0.1 is in universe now05:10
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mwh_rapha: http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/ doesnt include mono05:11
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raphaHmm, wierd.05:12
raphaLet me see05:12
raphaftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/05:12
raphaMaybe that then.05:12
raphaOr it's in universe or multiverse05:13
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mwh_1.0.1 is in universe05:13
raphaThose are located at http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/05:13
raphaBut these are all my apt sources.05:13
mwh_1.0.4 is about to be released though05:13
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raphaCool05:13
polytansalut05:13
raphaWell, I for one wouldn't mind 1.0.4 packages then.,05:13
raphaDamn05:14
raphaI need an Ubuntu developer.05:14
raphaThis kernel patches thing is wierd.05:14
mwh_bbl05:15
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dasenjoDo anyone know what is happening with the jigdo download ?05:16
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deFryskrapha, Note that these patches do NOT apply05:17
deFryskagainst a pristine Linux 2.6.8 kernel but only against05:17
deFrysklinux-source-2.6.8.1_2.6.8.1.orig.tar.gz from the Debian archive.05:17
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raphadeFrysk: Well, I got the kernel sources for Ubuntu out of Synaptic. I would guess these are the patches Ubuntu sources?05:18
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edulixhello !05:19
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edulixI have a dell inspiron 4150 laptop, and if I connect a ps2 mouse to it, touchpad goes crazy !05:20
edulixif I don't connect an external mouse device, or if I connect a USB mouse, it works well05:21
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edulix(both of them at the same time, the external mouse and the touchpad via synaptics)05:21
kentedulix, and then you shouldn't connect a ps2 mouse then, should you? ;)05:21
edulixkent: oh, if happens that I have just a usb port05:22
edulixso I don't want to waste it with the the usb05:22
kentedulix, i was just joking. Perhaps it will help if you file a bugreport on ubuntu.05:22
edulixok05:22
edulixI'll do it05:22
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edulixkent: note that this is not only related to ubuntu but also happens in suse 9.105:23
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kentI have no clue at all what your problem is, im just using it since "it just works" :) I have had no problems at all so far :)05:23
pogikhi ...05:23
edulixhi !05:23
SepheeBearwhoa just dist-upgraded, thank you Gods of Ubuntu, this is the best birthday present a boy could ever get ;-)05:24
SepheeBearlovely artwork05:24
edulixkent: do you have RAID or LVM?05:24
pogikafter a few days using Ubuntu linux u can't stop feeling happy :) it's just so ... WONDERFULL :)05:24
kentedulix, nope.05:24
pogikbut i have one question - how can i run gnome config? :((05:24
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edulixkent: something funny is thast even if I haven't got raid nor lvm, both services are activated at boot by default hehe05:25
kentedulix, the same for me. But I would consider that not a bug, and perhaps maybe just one thing enabled default so other might not get into problem..  just guessing though. Its not a big problem for me, even though maybe my boot-time is lowered by 1 second or so,05:26
SepheeBearpogik: that's eXACTLY! how I feel about Ubuntu05:26
pogikSepheeBear ;)05:27
edulixkent: everything that make the boottime smaller is welcomed to me !. it takes 1:30 to from kenrel loading to gnome loaded in my laptop :)05:27
pogikit's first distro where everything works without doing some special config :)05:27
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pogikbut I have really big problem with that gconf thing (i never used Gnome so i'm a little confused yet :( )05:28
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edulix:P05:28
pogikcan some1 help me please? :(05:30
pogikI allways get "command not found" error and i'm SURE that i downloaded it wia apt-get05:30
raphaSepheeBear: did you upgrade to Hoary?05:31
pogikpogik@pogik:~ $ gconf2 // bash: gconf2: command not found // pogik@pogik:~ $ gconf // bash: gconf: command not foun // and so on :(05:31
kentpogik, you know that you can type gconf and then use the tab-key to see programs starting with gconf*  so that you know what commands you can run?05:32
pogikkent everywhere in directory structure?05:32
pogikaaa!05:32
pogiki didn't know! :) thanks man!05:33
kentpogik, yes. if its in your $PATH (all the commands you can run, eg..  /usr/bin/ /bin/ etc..)05:33
kentpogik, its called tab-completion i think. You can use it in many places in Unix/Linux systems..  its very nice.05:33
pogikokay, I need to run gconfd-1 first and then gconftool am I right?05:34
kentpogik, i dont know. Not sure what you are trying to do..05:34
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pogikKent I'm using always this tab-thing for completing filenames but I didnt realized that it works for some other directories than my current :)05:34
pogiki'm trying to run some control center :)05:34
kentpogik, gconf is in Program->system tools (or what ever its called in english)05:35
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kentpogik, most things you can change in gnome are in Computer-Desktop..   (or in other menus on the panel).05:35
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Kamiondasenjo: oh, that's on my list of things to fix, sorry05:36
pogikno, i have there only: date/time, device manager, gdm settings, printing, resolution, networking, synaptic and users/groups :(05:36
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pogik(don't know how it is named in Engils, I got Czech version05:36
kentpogik, ive got the swedish language running, :)05:37
pogikkent nothing with "gnome" or "config" ... :(05:37
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kentpogik, but in Computer on the panel, you do have both Desktop Settings and System settings. Those can change much in gnome.  As for gconf, its in Program->System tools and its probably called something with *config*   It has a red icon.05:38
SepheeBearhow do you take a full res screenshot of a gdm theme, the one in the nested window gets all scrunched up05:39
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yohi to all05:39
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yoi have a problem with ubuntu 4.1005:39
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pogiki'm trying to identify my sound server because when I'm playing music via xmms, i don't hear other system sounds, that'S my current problem05:39
pogikkent05:39
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yoi have the same error05:40
yopogik05:40
pogikis it Alsa? or what05:40
pogikyo let's rule it :)05:40
yoi have a sound blaster card05:40
pogikI have integracet AC'97 audio05:40
pogikintegrated05:40
youmm05:40
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Tibozpogik: what is xmms using as audio output ?05:40
yoi have 2 sound cards05:40
kentpogik, cant say what that depends on. Maybe change the output-stuff in xmms? you can change between oss, esd, alsa..  if i remember correct.05:40
yoAC'97 i don't use it and a sound blaster05:41
pogikkent yes i know I can try all the choices in output settings - but i also want to know, where is what in system I'm using you know? :)05:41
yoi try other distros like knoppix and the sound card works05:41
pogikTiboz OSS05:42
nephtopoh well, there is the problem05:42
Tibozoss ?05:42
Tibozwell use alsa then ;)05:42
pogiki'l give it a try05:42
nephtopor esd/arts/...05:42
nightmarescI'm having a problem detecting an external hard drive.  It doesn't seem to be found by Ubuntu05:42
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pogikalsa or esd or whatever - I need to know, which server is my gnome using am I right?05:43
kentpogik, perhaps try to run gstreamer-properties05:43
tdinarostupid question, is it an ISA card?05:43
kentpogik, i could not find it in the menu, but that command changes sound-stuff :)05:43
yoand what about my problem?05:43
pogikkent ok then :)05:43
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pogikkent thats it! my gnome is using ESD :)05:44
nephtopnow set xmms to use it too05:44
pogikthats what I'm trying to detect :))05:44
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yocan anyone help me ?05:45
pogikyo sorry mon i cant :(05:45
pogikok second question How can Ii change content of gnome menus?05:45
nephtopyo: what exactly is the problem ?05:45
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yoi can sound my mp3 with totm , i can hear my tvcard with tvtime , i can hear my xvids05:46
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kentpogik, You cant change the menus manually, atleast not in an easy way..  it will be possible in other versions of gnome.05:47
nightmarescCan anyone help with detecting an external HD?  It works fine on the Live CD but not the install version05:47
dasenjoBye to all .. I dont want to disturb .. but I think the jidgo download is not working ..05:47
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nephtopyo: you can, or you can't ... like you say it, there is no problem05:48
nephtop:)05:48
pogikkent oh ... :(( ... ok and is there some list of these config applications as gstreamer-properties and others?05:48
yocan't05:48
pogikI could use them or get some info about them If i knew about them :((05:48
yoi can't hear05:48
nephtophmk05:48
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nephtopdo you hava alsa ?05:49
kentpogik, normaly they are in the menu. Not sure why gstreamer-properties is not in the menu..  :(05:49
pogikwhat's your favorite IM?05:49
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raphaMmm :-/, back05:49
yonephtop , how i can know this ?05:50
pogikkent you have it in your menu (it's problem at my side) or it's some ubuntu thing?05:50
yoi'm so newbie05:50
nephtopgood question (man, i'm only here to see wether ubuntu has many problems ... before testing it)05:50
raphaHey, what's a good WiFi scanning utility?05:50
kentpogik, i dont have it in the menu.05:50
nephtopwell ... do you know how to get in a root console ?05:50
nephtoprapha: kismet, airsnort05:51
ficusplanetrapha, NetworkManager05:51
yoyes mephtop05:51
raphanephtop: There's an icon for that in the Ubuntu menu, under "System"05:51
raphaThanks nephtop, ficusplanet05:51
yoyes nephtop05:51
nephtopwell ... open it en try to run "alsaconf"05:51
pogiknephtop I know :) application, system tools, root terminal05:51
raphanephtop: alsaconf has been removed from Ubuntu.05:51
nightmaresccan anyone help me with an external hd problem?05:52
nephtopwut ?05:52
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nephtopwhy ?05:52
balubahi05:52
yobash: alsaconf: command not found05:52
pogikthen you can type passwd, set your password ant then you can switch to root by typing su everytime you need :)05:52
raphanephtop: (Left empty /etc/modules.conf's behind it)05:52
pogik(4 nephtop] 05:52
nephtopooowkay05:52
nephtopso how is this poor fella supposed to get sound ? (i'm not that familiar with alsa myself)05:52
nephtopowkay, one could use oss ...05:53
bradis loging into gnome disabled for my protection (heh) or is something wrong05:53
bradas root05:53
raphanephtop: Does either of those tools have a GTK frontend?05:53
pogikI enabled ESD and everything works fine05:53
yoany solution ?05:53
ficusplanetIf anyone wants some debs of the Fedora 3 OO.org, you can snag them from http://12.216.226.172/OOO/  This version includes native widgets and gnome file dialogs.  You have to remove the Ubuntu OOo for it to work.05:53
nephtoprapha: i dno, i use cli :)05:54
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ficusplanetrapha, NetworkManager uses a system tray icon.05:54
nephtopyo: one solution could be to run "modprobe emu10k1"05:54
raphanephtop: If hotplug hasn't detected his soundcard, it's an Ubuntu bug and he should file a bug report.05:54
nephtopaha05:54
raphaficusplanet: I don't find that in Synaptic; what's its exact name?05:54
pogikkent does Gnome gave some tool as KLaptop? (klaptop works but I can't get it to system tray :(( )05:55
nephtopyo: can you run "lsmod" in that root console ?05:55
ficusplanetYou have to add a repo.  Just a sec.05:55
pogikgave == have05:55
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nephtopand does that have any lines with "snd_somethingsomething" in it ?05:55
ficusplanetdeb http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/ ./05:55
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yoFATAL: Module emul0k1 not found.05:55
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raphanephtop: Well, could also be an OSS module.05:55
nephtoptrue05:55
yosorry05:56
ficusplanetrapha, read http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/ before installing it.05:56
nightmarescno one knows how to help detect an external drive?05:56
yoit works !!!!!05:56
raphaThanks ficusplanet05:56
nephtoperh05:56
nephtopwhat did ?05:56
nephtop:-)05:56
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ficusplanetrapha, It's a really nice utility.  It will detect all wireless networks, ask for wep when appropriate, remember WEP keys you've entered before, remember your preferred networks.  It makes wireless a breeze.05:57
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ficusplanetrapha, Should be in hoary base.05:57
nephtopow yeah05:57
raphaficusplanet: Cool, but Airsnort cracks the WEP keys instead of asking for them :-)05:57
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ficusplanetrapha, Ah, I was unaware of that.05:58
yoi run "modprobe emu10k1" , but tottem don't sounds my mp3s05:58
nephtopairsnort has a gtk gui yeah05:58
yotvtime works05:58
nephtopkismet i dno05:58
raphayo: That could be another problem. Try "apt-get install totem-xine".05:58
raphanephtop: "Out of the box"?05:58
pogikis there some way to make totem to play divx/xvid/others? some easier than compile mplayer ;)05:59
nephtopafaik yes05:59
balubapogik, have you read the faq?05:59
mirak_-yes...and isnt mplayer in multiverse?05:59
yolibxine1 but it is not installable05:59
pogikbaluba yes there is something about pathents and/or licences :-I05:59
yorapha i can't install06:00
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pogikif we are meaning same page06:00
nephtophow is kde support in ubuntu btw ?06:00
raphayo: Why?06:00
danielsnephtop: it works06:00
raphapogik: Yes. "apt-get install totem-xine".06:00
raphayo: Try apt-get update first.06:01
yolibxine1 but it is not installable06:01
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nephtopdaniels: tnx06:01
pogikrapha is gxine from debian good enough?06:01
Riddellnephtop: KDE 3.2 is available in the Universe archive06:01
yorapha , i don't from synaptic06:01
raphayo: And if that doesn't work try manually saying "apt-get install libxine1". Please note that you may have to add universe or something to your repository list.06:01
raphapogik: I don't use gxine. I use totem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer.06:01
raphapogik: Read the FAQ if you have problems installing it.06:01
yorapha , i do it from synaptic06:02
pogikokay i will if there will be a problem06:02
yobut no libxine is viewed06:02
nightmaresccan anyone help me with an external hd problem?06:02
Bentleyhi, when I 'close' Evolution, I'd like it to stay running in the background - similar to how gaim stays running in the panel.  Does this functionality exist for Evolution anywhere?06:02
raphayo: Then you're missing that repository. Read the FAQ, it should tell how to add it.06:02
yorapha , i use universy repositories06:02
raphayo: Or ask somebody else here; I'd tell you but I'm a little in a hurry.06:02
bradubuntu detects my printer (Epsone Sylus Color Photo 1270) but does not seem to have a driver for it, any ideas where i could find the driver?06:03
raphayo: Might be somewhere else but in universe, maybe multiverse or some other rep.06:03
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yook06:03
yoanother question06:03
balubapogik, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats06:03
pogikBentley you know how to hide gaim fully into system-tray (or how is it called in gnome - nearby clock)06:03
yoi install java 1.5.006:03
ivarquestion- I've installed mozilla-thunderbird using06:03
Bentleypogik - yes, it's a gaim plugin06:03
ivar'apt-get install' , but it doesn't appear on my path06:03
yoi add into /etc/profiles the PATH of java , but when i type $PATH into console , don't show java PATH06:04
raphapogik: There's a GAIM plugin for it. But each time you start it, the buddy list will be shown. I think I'll write a patch for that, but it may take a couple of days06:04
pogikBentley which one? allready in basic gaim or somewhere on the net?06:04
Bentleyit's in basic gnome - "system tray icon".  I'd really love it if evolution could do the same thing06:04
ivarwhen I try to execute  /usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird-bin I get an error about tbird not finding libs06:04
yopogik Guifications06:05
pogikrapha waw ... I'd be really pleased if you'd send that patch to my mailbox ... is it possible?06:05
pogikyo thank yo :)06:05
balubaivar, anything went fine for me06:05
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ivarbaluba, what steps did you take ? how did you install it ?06:05
balubaivar, apt-getted :)06:05
raphapogik: Well, IF I find the time to write it, I'll make sure to try and get it into Ubuntu, or even GAIM itself. This is ony nervy thing.06:06
yohow to add java PATH ?06:06
yoi add into /etc/profiles the PATH of java , but when i type $PATH into console , don't show java PATH06:06
Bentleypogik - Guifications is an additional add-on that allows new messages to 'popup' from the system tray.  I don't use that, but it is useful as well06:06
raphaOkay, I'm outta here06:06
yoany solutions ?06:06
raphaSee y'all later06:06
ivarbaluba, damn... and what do you call to run it ?06:06
yoanyone can help me ?06:06
nightmaresctry googling it.  i don't know the exact file to change06:07
balubaivar, i'm not on my ubuntu-box right now. it should add the icon in the apps menu06:07
ivarbaluba, ahh.. i think i got it. very strange.. i don't understand why it wasn't working -  thanks for your help06:08
yoi saw that do "env-update" , but i don't find this command06:08
yo?06:10
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daver_does anyone know if there will be an up-to-date kernel source package in the ubuntu tree06:11
WWyo: Maybe this thread in the forum is relevant: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=279306:11
balubayo, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Java06:12
yook06:12
yoi will see these threads06:12
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flamhey. i'm just wondering how to set the root password / enable it. can anyone help me?06:12
baluba:)06:13
cambrantflam: sudo passwd root06:13
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yobye to all06:13
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mrjivehi baluba06:14
edulixhow can I hear mp3 with ubuntu ?06:14
balubawhen i installed at first i thought it was my distraction06:14
balubaciao mrjive06:14
izedulix, sudo apt-get install xmms06:14
nightmaresccan anyone help me with an external hd problem?06:14
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edulixiz: with rythmbox?06:14
izumhz...06:14
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edulixis it possible with rythmbox ?06:15
izRhythmbox06:15
alephciao06:15
edulixit's not recogniced out-of-thr-box06:15
izyup06:15
daver_yes you can use it out of the box for mp306:15
alephthere's a repository for mplayer in ubuntu?06:15
balubaaleph, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats06:15
daver_right after install it works06:15
balubaedulix, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats06:15
edulixbaluba: thanks!06:16
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daver_after installing warty I didn't have to do anything to hear mp306:19
daver_it just worked06:19
edulixdaver_: with rythmbox ?06:19
pogikthank guys for help ... and ubuntu-team for (maybe - im testing it only a few days) the best distro i ever met :)06:19
daver_yes06:19
alephbaluba: thanks06:20
nightmaresccan anyone help me with an external hd problem?06:20
nightmarescit doesn't seem to detect it06:20
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pogikfarewell06:20
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edulixdaver_: when I try to add a mp3 song to the playlist it says: "there's no plugin installed to handle mp3 file"06:20
huttanhow do i make ubuntu pick apt-sources from universe ?06:20
WWnightmaresc: I almost certainly can't help you, but if I ask you some questions, maybe some else will...06:21
WWnightmaresc: What interface? USB?06:21
nightmarescThanks.06:21
nightmarescWW: USB06:21
nightmarescWW:  If it helps, the Live CD version detects it perfectly06:21
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WWnightmaresc: What happens when you unplug it, and plug it back in?06:22
kentnightmaresc, it might be in /dev/sda1. I think usb-devices comes up in /dev/sda*06:22
nightmarescWW: nothing06:22
nightmaresckent:  when i try and mount sda1 i get device not found06:22
krischanI'd like to ask: Yesterday I wanted to find out the exact specification for a card I am using, and I came across that there is nothing like a "Hardware Browser" available over the menu structure, nothing that gives me a comprehensive view over my hardware. Is my assessment right? How can I find out what hardware the computer Ubuntu is installed on uses?06:22
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balubahuttan, you can change apt source list in synaptic06:23
huttanbaluba, thanks06:23
balubakrischan, there's something like that, i just don't recall the name06:23
mirakhi06:24
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mirakwhich config tools does ubuntu uses ?06:24
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krischanbaluba: You make this exicting! :-)06:25
WWnightmaresc: Does the command dmesg say anything about it?  Maybe try "dmesg | grep usb"06:25
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izmc06:26
nightmarescit mentions a usb-storage device, but not where it is located06:26
izai wrong window06:26
krischanAsking more generally: what graphical tools does Debian use in order to view/configure hardware? Since I came from the RedHat/Fedora rail, I am not that familiar with Debian.06:26
nightmarescWW: drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.0:USB HID core driver .. usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage06:26
keviihi, I'm trying to get apache2 running. I made a couple changed to apache2.conf and when I go to restart the apache service (/etc/init.d/apache2 restart) I get no status or anything like when I restart samba. Is this normal?06:27
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balubakrischan, you could just do a cat /proc/{whatyouneed} to get every possible information. but anyway there's a gui, just investigate. configuring is a different matter06:27
huttanbaluba, any chance you can tell me where in there please ?06:27
WWnightmaresc: OK, so _something_  is happening... :)06:27
mirakI mean are the config tools different than debconf ?06:27
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nightmarescWW:  Looks like it... but no idea where it puts it06:27
balubanightmaresc, /media/ ?06:28
izkevii, apache2ctl configtest ?06:28
krischanbaluba: Where can I investigate this matter?06:28
nightmarescbaluba:  only cdroms and floppys there06:28
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kevii"/usr/sbin/apache2ctl: line 87: /usr/sbin/apache2: No such file or directory"06:29
WWnightmaresc: Can you see anything in Computer->System Configuration->Device Manager06:29
balubakrischan, try the administration menus, i'm not in front of an ubuntu now06:29
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WWnightmaresc: (just a reminder... I'm hoping something with a clue will jump in soon...)06:30
izkevii, how do you have install apache2?06:30
WWs/something/someone/06:30
keviiapt-get install apache2-common06:30
nightmarescWW:  No problem, thanks for helping.  And no, nothing about the drive in there06:30
nightmarescWW:  It finds my multi-card reader and backup battery, that's it06:30
bearkatim looking for an easy way to log into a wireless vpn server at school on ubuntu, any suggestions?06:30
izkevii, thats okay06:30
mirakdoes ubuntu uses debconf as the main configuration application ?06:31
izlocate apache206:31
balubakrischan, fourth command, second voice06:31
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TycheHello06:32
WWnightmaresc: Maybe there are clues here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=239206:32
erkhello06:32
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TycheI am trying to get access to a usb drive I have...is it possible to do that06:32
nightmarescWW:  Yep, I've actually posted in that topic.  None of it has worked so far :(06:33
bearkatyea, it comes up automatically under gnome for me06:33
keviiiz, a /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload fixed it06:33
balubakrischan, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto06:33
nightmarescWW:  What is so weird is that it works great on the live cd06:33
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izkevii, ah cewl i must remember that06:34
huttanIs there a program in ubuntu to change the default window manager ?06:35
yanngdm ;-)06:35
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deFryskgdmsetup06:36
WWnightmaresc: That is strange... but I think the hardware detection in the LiveCD is quite different from the regular CD.  They are different beasts.06:36
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mirakdoes ubuntu uses debconf as the main configuration application ?06:36
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nightmarescWW:  Oh, I just figured they were the same06:36
mirakor is there a better graphical tool ?06:37
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WWnightmaresc: Is you disk already formatted?  What is the filesystem on it?06:37
mrjivehi mako :)06:37
nightmarescWW:  FAT3206:37
makomrjive: hey there06:38
WWnightmaresc: I have an external USB drive sitting here, with an ntfs file system.  I'll fire it up and see what happens.06:38
nightmarescWW: Okay, thanks06:38
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WWWhat is _supposed_ to happen when I plug in a USB hard drive?06:41
mirakIt's SO hard to tell if ubuntu uses or not debconf as the main config tool ?06:41
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nightmarescI don't think anything.  I used to always have to mount it first06:41
WWnightmaresc: What happens in the LiveCD?06:42
yannwell you should see something happen if tail -f /var/log/messages06:42
nightmarescWW: I havn't tried unplugging and plugging it in on the livecd but when it boots up it automounts it06:42
balubamirak, usually if you don't get an answer those listening don't know06:42
mirakthat's surprising06:43
balubaWW, check also dmesg06:43
mirakhey all you know debconf, the ugly thing that always ask yes or no :)06:43
WWbaluba: /var/log/messages shows stuff that doesn't look good.06:43
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iLLf8dlo all06:44
WWMaybe it tried to figure out the file system and failed?06:44
WWHere, for example, is one of the lines in /var/log/messages:06:44
WWNov  2 12:40:26 localhost kernel: VFS: Can't find ext2 filesystem on dev sda1.06:44
nightmarescWW: Could have.06:44
nightmaresclet me check mine then06:45
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gooniecan I ask a complete newbie question?06:45
WWThere is a similar message about HFS06:45
WWgoonie: You just did :)06:45
keviigoonie: always06:45
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yannWW: so your system already attached the disk to the system... now you can mount it with -t ntfs or other...06:46
mjrcan I ask a lazy question?06:46
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nightmarescWW: my log shows nothing about it06:46
WWyann: just to be sure: I should first manually create a mount point in, say, /mnt, right?06:46
goonieI'm pretty new to linux and I was trying ubuntu for the first time a while back and I don't know how config synaptic to retrieve packages from my local debian repository06:47
WWyann: E.g: sudo mkdir /mnt/sda106:47
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SmokingFiremjr why not06:47
balubagoonie, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto06:47
nimcis ~/.Xmodmap supposed to be handled on X startup (with gdm) in ubuntu ?06:48
goonieoh... ok thx :)06:48
WWnightmaresc: So nothing shows up in /var/log/messages when you plug in your disk?06:48
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Kamionmirak: insofar as debconf is a configuration tool, which it only sort-of is06:48
Kamionmirak: the main end-user-facing set of applications is gnome-system-tools06:48
nightmarescWW: Nope, nothing at all06:48
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mjrwhere should I report a misidentified X driver (Ubuntu tried to use "ati" for my 9250 card, whilst "radeon" is the one that works); xserver-xfree86? discover1?06:48
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Kamionmjr: discover1-data, probably06:49
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mjrrighto06:50
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WWnightmaresc: I can access my external disk, but so far I have to do everything as root.  Probably just some configuration details.06:51
yannWW: yes you could do that06:51
defendguinif they are working on a faster boot for horey are they going to backport some of their fixes to warty?06:51
WWyann: Thanks. Actually, I went with /mnt/usbhd06:51
yannWW: mount -o user06:51
nightmarescWW: When I boot up i get an error about 'nobiospnp', could that be a problem?06:51
iLLf8dhow long has ubuntu been around? I don't see it on the about page06:51
kensaiI have installed python-libgmail from apt how can I configure it to use it with evolution or thunderbird? -Thanks06:51
balubamultiverse is like non-free in debian?06:51
mirakKamion: is there app like amarok or some kde ones ?06:51
nosilver4uiLLf8d: not very long06:52
Kamionmirak: we don't support KDE.06:52
mdziLLf8d: about 6 months now06:52
yannmirak: you could use rhythmbox06:52
keviianyone know of a good tutorial for configuring apache2?06:52
mirakI am rediscovering the joy of gnome06:52
Kamiondefendguin: unlikely; it certainly won't be part of what the core team works on06:52
Kamiondefendguin: hoary is only six months away, so we don't need to get into a backporting spaghetti nightmare06:52
defendguin:-(06:53
WWnightmaresc: That could very well be related.06:53
Kamiondefendguin: you can wait six months :)06:53
mdzdefendguin: stable releases get critical bug fixes only; that's how they remain stable06:53
nosilver4ukevii: what do you need to know?06:53
defendguinyeah06:53
nightmarescWW:  Hmm... ever heard of that problem?06:53
Kamionbaluba: approximately06:53
WWnightmaresc: No, but it certainly sounds related.06:53
keviieh I'm just finding the config layouts a little cryptic06:53
WWWhere are all the hardware experts???06:53
defendguinare they going to do something like the read ahead that fedora does?06:54
nightmarescWW:  I'll have to look around for a solution then, thanks06:54
WWThere are 320 people in here! (OK, maybe a few bots, but there are still a lot of people here!)06:54
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nimcis ~/.Xmodmap supposed to be handled on X startup (with gdm) in ubuntu ?06:54
f_favilahttp://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=875406:55
WWNo one knows what the 'nobiospnp' error means?06:55
balubadefendguin, besides hoary is going to be usable before that 6 month figure06:55
yannnimc: as far as I know, yes06:55
defendguinalso on my box is looks like they try to load more than a few modules twice because i get these already loaded messages during boot06:55
pogikone more question> which application is in ubuntu for handling zip atc packages by default?06:55
pogikatc == etc06:56
nightmarescWW: I've read it deals with plug and play.  I've tried changing the option in my bios but it doesn't work06:56
yannpogik: file-roller06:56
defendguinand all these modules that are blacklisted why dont they just remove all these modules so we wont have to blacklist them?06:56
nimcyann: i got a message first time i rebooted with .Xmodmap that it won't be processed and i should look at keyboard prefs.... and on later reboots it's just ignored06:56
WWnightmaresc: Have you asked on the mailing list?06:56
nightmarescNo, not yet06:57
yannnimc: then I will encounter the same problem on next reboot... I am just working on my .Xmodma06:57
pogikyann OK and what is a reason that ubuntu does have those applications but they aren't asociated or in any gnome menu? :(06:57
nimcis ~/.xinitrc supposed to be handled with gdm ? i think it only worked with startx without gdm  ?06:57
yannpogik: good question... ;-)06:58
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pogikyann :)06:58
balubapogik, example?06:58
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WWnightmaresc: Well, good luck, sorry I couldn't drum up more help.  If you get desperate, you could try something I've heard called 'Ahz's Law'.  To get correct information in a channel or list, you have to say something blatantly wrong. :)06:59
pogikbaluba .zip or .deb or other packages06:59
WWnightmaresc: Such as:06:59
WWUSB hard drives do not work in Ubuntu.06:59
nimcyann, you gonna try it soon, or you boot only once a month or something...?:)06:59
stuNNedhmmm looks like to add custom DSDT to kernel need to recompile06:59
WWnightmaresc: or07:00
yannnimc: no need to reboot right now ;-) since it does not work I am trying out the Keyboard setup tool in Gnome07:00
WWTry cutting off the USB connector and soldering on a firewire connector...07:00
mdzWW: pardon?07:00
nightmarescWW:  Haha, alright.  I'll have to try that I guess07:00
nimcwhat is the keyboard setup tool ?07:00
nightmarescWW: Thanks for the help07:00
pogikoh my fault, I just found file-roller at apps menu but 2nd part of my question remains :)07:00
WWnightmaresc: See how quick that worked?  mdz is an ubuntu developer!07:01
balubapogik, well compressed archive are opened by rolled by default here07:01
WWSorry mdz... scroll back a bit ^^^07:01
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nightmarescWW: Haha, you're right.  That was pretty fast07:01
FoxfyreHowdy again07:01
pogikbaluba they aren't in my system :((07:01
nimcyann, prefs / keyboard shortcuts  ? or you mean something else?07:01
FoxfyreSo folks, I'm trying to set Apache up to recognize python scripts and I Dl'ed mod_python, but the configure script is not seeing gcc or any c compiler, any help?07:01
dredgapt-get install libapache2-mod-python07:02
Foxfyrecouldn't find the package07:02
pogikbaluba ah ... i got it - it isn't opened via smb:// :( why?07:02
yannnimc: meant that, but it is a little bit confusing right now...07:02
yannnimc: I am trying to map my apple keys to the altgr07:03
nightmarescWW: Well I'm going to go try some stuff, thanks again07:03
WWnightmaresc: OK, take it easy.07:03
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balubapogik, uhm strange07:04
nimcyann, i first needed to use xmodmap to map special keys to F13+.... then use prefs / keyboard shortcuts07:04
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pogikbaluba and when I'm trying to display shared folders at my windows box, i get always an error07:05
pogikbut when I type existing addres (smb://pc/c$ instead of smb://pc) then everything is ok07:06
pogik:(07:06
balubapogik, gnome-vfs support for smb needs to mature07:07
Foxfyredredg: apt-get couldn't find the package.07:07
dredgFoxfyre: oh? hmm07:07
pogikbaluba okay :) do you consider this as some reportable bug?07:07
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FoxfyreI found it on the apt-get.org but the terminal apt-get didn't find the package.07:08
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Kamionapt-get.org is a repository of stuff for Debian07:08
pogikProdm iBook G4, bl, 14" display, Procesor l GHz, pam 640 MB DDR SDRAM, L2 cache: 256 KB, Bus Speed: 133 MHz, HDD: 60 GB, COMBO (CD-RW), AIRPORT karta zabudovan, tmr nov baterie, st cca.1 rok, dovoz (darem) ale nevyuit - nelze naistalovat Windows XP :-((( . Nebo vmna za parametrov srovnateln,na kterm b Windows.07:08
pogikOrientan cena: 25.000,-- K07:08
pogikLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO07:09
pogikOL07:09
pogik:))))07:09
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FoxfyreKamion, right07:09
pogikOH07:09
dredgFoxfyre: its in main07:09
pogikI'm really sorry!!!07:10
dredgit should be there07:10
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pogikwrong channel :-(07:10
Foxfyredredg, here's what I'm typing: 'sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-python'  -- am I typing it wrong?07:10
pogikProdm iBook G4, bl, 14" display, Procesor l GHz, pam 640 MB DDR SDRAM, L2 cache: 256 KB, Bus Speed: 133 MHz, HDD: 60 GB, COMBO (CD-RW), AIRPORT karta zabudovan, tmr nov baterie, st cca.1 rok, dovoz (darem) ale nevyuit - nelze naistalovat Windows XP :-((( . Nebo vmna za parametrov srovnateln,na kterm b Windows.07:10
pogikOrientan cena: 25.000,-- K07:10
defendguinis tseng here?07:12
rebirthreet, im orf out, cya <307:13
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dredgFoxfyre: looks right07:14
Foxfyreweird07:14
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ograFoxfyre: whats wron there ?07:15
ograg07:15
Foxfyreapt-get isn't finding that package07:15
ograFoxfyre: did you sudo apt-get update before ?07:15
Foxfyreyeah07:16
Telepaargh, XFree taking up 42% of the CPU for no apparent reason07:16
ograFoxfyre: and main is still in your sources list ?07:16
FoxfyreHow do I view the sources list?07:16
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ograFoxfyre: in synaptic click settings->repositorys07:17
ograFoxfyre: on the commandline less /etc/apt/sources.list07:17
ograFoxfyre: there should be something like this:07:18
ogradeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe multiverse07:18
Foxfyre... it comes commented07:18
ograFoxfyre: maybe without universe multiverse07:18
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ograFoxfyre: either: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list .... or07:19
FoxfyreBullseye07:19
Foxfyrethanks07:19
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polytanre07:19
ograFoxfyre: synaptic settings->repositorys and check the box for this line07:20
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FoxfyreI did it from the command line and found all the sources still commented out07:20
balubaKamion, are you from canonical?07:20
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netmonkhow do i add splash screen in ubuntu?07:21
Kamionbaluba: yes07:21
FoxfyreThanks for the help ogra07:21
ograFoxfyre: ;)07:21
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Foxfyrenow to remember how to restart apache ;)07:22
fg_ubuntuhi everybody07:23
ogranetmonk: it is in /usr/share/pixmaps/splash/gnome-splash.png .... make a backup and copy yours there07:23
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netmonk10x ogra, again ;)07:24
baluba