[12:00] <tras> i can change all the settings but i don't find this one
[12:00] <AlohaWulf> tras: vmware 4.5 does
[12:00] <tras> chibifs, i don't think about this, and i use gaim for msn... good idea
[12:01] <tras> AlohaWulf, Yes sire
[12:01] <topyli> jdub: i thought polypaudio would save the world but what's the use when esddsp still won't work with xgalaga? :)
[12:02] <chibifs> Gaim with IRC takes up less memory than Gaim and Xchat at once. :P
[12:02] <topyli> chibifs: i agree, i've started using gaim for irc lately too
[12:02] <topyli> it's no irc tool but it works so and so
[12:02] <tras> trasmontano is me, but i don't find the window
[12:03] <tras> whith the chat :-)
[12:03] <chibifs> Buddies > Join a Chat.
[12:04] <chibifs> Heh.
[12:04] <chibifs> The window should be on a tab with your other im's? :P
[12:04] <tras> chibifs, yes i made it you can see trasmontano as join but but i don't see the window
[12:04] <tras> oki
[12:04] <tras> :-p
[12:04] <TrasMontano> i'm the
[12:05] <TrasMontano> thx chibifs
[12:05] <TrasMontano> :-p
[12:05] <chibifs> Not a problem.
[12:05] <topyli> TrasMontano: ok, now you'll never have to be alone :)
[12:05] <TrasMontano> cool
[12:05] <ryan> alright!
[12:05] <ryan> putting nvsound in /etc/modules overrode the who alsa startup
[12:05] <TrasMontano> oki let's install vmware
[12:05] <ryan> yay for hardware mixing
[12:06] <TrasMontano> then i have to make work cdroast with my cd writer
[12:06] <ryan> boo for the fact that gstreamer sounds crappy now
[12:06] <TrasMontano> ide
[12:06] <chibifs> Hrmmm.. I'm still a little rough on debian..
[12:06] <ryan> rhythmbox-> noise in the background
[12:06] <TrasMontano> without scsi emulation
[12:06] <chibifs> What's the command to just install a deb?
[12:06] <ryan> xmms-> crystal clear
[12:06] <ryan> yay
[12:06] <chibifs> Still using XMMS? :/
[12:06] <topyli> TrasMontano: i just set it up here. what's the problem?
[12:06] <ogra> chibifs: sudo dpkg -i <name>.deb
[12:07] <TrasMontano> topyli: i read that with 2.6.8 you need scsi emulation
[12:07] <chibifs> Thankums. :o
[12:07] <TrasMontano> topyli: in main page of cdroast
[12:07] <topyli> TrasMontano: don't read. just set it up :)
[12:07] <TrasMontano> topyli: i've to compile
[12:07] <topyli> TrasMontano: you too want gtk2?
[12:08] <TrasMontano> topyli: no, just xcdroast to work with my ide writer
[12:08] <topyli> TrasMontano: oh, you have some weird iron there
[12:08] <chibifs> Also, ryan, If you're on a Creative card, be sure to turn down your ac97 aliders.
[12:08] <TrasMontano> topyli: and ogr just learn me how to find the kernel source
[12:08] <chibifs> They're the main cause of static in sound. :o
[12:09] <Matt|> TrasMontano, in my experience the scsi emulation does not make a major difference to the speed
[12:09] <topyli> TrasMontano: you might as well configure with --enable-gtk2 :)
[12:09] <ryan> chibifs: bmp still doesn't have a damn queue button in the jump to song dialog
[12:09] <Matt|> TrasMontano, detecting the drive for the first time will take awhile but burning should be fine
[12:09] <ryan> and when i have a list of 4000+ songs i prefer to use the jump to dialog to queue things
[12:09] <ryan> heh
[12:09] <chibifs> Lies! :P
[12:09] <TrasMontano> Matt|: yes normally it work, but with this kernel, no let me pass you the url
[12:09] <chibifs> I use rhythmbox anywho. :o
[12:10] <chibifs> I like to keep playcounts. >.>'
[12:10] <Matt|> TrasMontano, i have used xcdroast without scsi-emulation on a gentoo box
[12:10] <Matt|> TrasMontano, I got the error from xcdroast but it worked anyway
[12:10] <Matt|> TrasMontano, i believe there is a marginal difference in the speed
[12:10] <topyli> TrasMontano: don't let it search, but you should manually tell xcdroast to use /dev/hdc or whatever. otherwise it will search and search for a long time everytime you try to do something
[12:10] <chibifs> The error is meaningless.
[12:10] <TrasMontano> Matt|: look at this, the last news
[12:10] <TrasMontano> Matt|: http://www.xcdroast.org/
[12:10] <chibifs> It slows down burning a tiny amount.
[12:10] <Matt|> TrasMontano, ok
[12:11] <Matt|> chibifs, that has been my experience too
[12:11] <TrasMontano> Matt|: i told him but ut don't detect /dev/hdc
[12:11] <Matt|> erm
[12:11] <ryan> chibifs: heh
[12:11] <Matt|> i c
[12:11] <TrasMontano> Matt|: btw i've /dev/hdc in fstab
[12:11] <ryan> hey wait
[12:11] <Matt|> TrasMontano, it doesn't detect it on my system either come to think of it
[12:11] <ryan> how to you get gstreamer to change what it outputs sound to
[12:11] <TrasMontano> ryan: yes
[12:11] <topyli> chibifs: i just uninstalled rhythmbox :)
[12:12] <ryan> isn't there a dialog to change from esd to oss to alsa etc
[12:12] <ryan> or a way rather
[12:12] <Matt|> i hate rhythmbox
[12:12] <TrasMontano> lol
[12:12] <Matt|> xmms 4ever
[12:12] <TrasMontano> troll
[12:12] <TrasMontano> :-p
[12:12] <Matt|> >_>
[12:12] <Matt|> troll?
[12:12] <ryan> i don't care this is a gstreamer question
[12:12] <ryan> (!)
[12:12] <ryan> heh
[12:12] <topyli> i installed mpd and a couple of clients. it's beautiful!
[12:12] <chibifs> I just wish they'd do a gtk2 upgrade. :/
[12:13] <Matt|> topyli, what is mpd?
[12:13] <TrasMontano> Matt|: yes it's  a joke like telling mandrake is better than red hat
[12:13] <TrasMontano> Matt|: or gnome better than kde
[12:13] <chibifs> I seriously dislike when I have out of theme programs.
[12:13] <Matt|> TrasMontano, all a matter of opinion i guess
[12:13] <Matt|> chibifs, awwwww
[12:13] <topyli> Matt|: music player daemon. it lets you log out and in, uninterrupted. you can control it remotely. it will continue after reboot. etc.
[12:13] <Matt|> you can find a skin to fit in
[12:14] <ryan> topyli: yeah mpd rules
[12:14] <chibifs> Not the menus. :P
[12:14] <Matt|> topyli, sounds interesting
[12:14] <ryan> oh yeah
[12:14] <ryan> i'll just use that
[12:14] <Matt|> chibifs, true the menus are annoying
[12:14] <Matt|> does anyone know how to change the font in menus for skinnable apps like mplayer and xmms?
[12:14] <jdub> xmms uses gtk+ 1.x, so 'gtkthemeswitch'
[12:14] <topyli> Matt|: http://www.musicpd.org
[12:15] <Matt|> jdub, ok thanks a lot
[12:15] <chibifs> Yeah, but some GTK2 themes can't be matched with a gtk1 theme. :/
[12:15] <Matt|> i haven't got that command
[12:16] <topyli> Matt|: the command is 'switch' though
[12:16] <chibifs> apt for it.
[12:16] <Matt|> k
[12:17] <Matt|> matt@kallisto:~ $ apt-cache search gtkthemeswitch
[12:17] <Matt|> matt@kallisto:~ $
[12:17] <Matt|> :(
[12:17] <ryan> oh gn0
[12:17] <stuNNed_> so basically at this point apt-get install k3b for cd-writer app?
[12:17] <ryan> no mpd debs?!
[12:17] <TrasMontano> ogra: MANY MANY thanks it work for vmware
[12:17] <Matt|> stuNNed_ you could use nautilus
[12:18] <ogra> TrasMontano: ;)
[12:18] <chibifs> gtk-theme-switch
[12:18] <Matt|> ty
[12:18] <chibifs> On universe
[12:18] <Matt|> gottim
[12:20] <chibifs> Hmmm... next up, successfully compiling winex3.2 :/
[12:21] <ryan> good luck!
[12:21] <topyli> chibifs: google for a handy script called "getwinex"
[12:22] <ryan> isn't that cvsgetwinex
[12:22] <topyli> might be
[12:22] <chibifs> Does it compile? I need to make some patches to it ahead of time. :o
[12:22] <topyli> dunno, i haven't actually needed to use it
[12:23] <chibifs> Ah well, I'll give it a shot.
[12:23] <chibifs> :D
[12:23] <ryan> heh
[12:23] <ryan> its hard getting used to just using sudo
[12:23] <ryan> luckly sudo sh works fine
[12:24] <chibifs> I gksu my terms and file manager, that's all.
[12:25] <chibifs> Just lots of... time spent entering passwords. >.>
[12:25] <klasiphyd> anyone have any dualhead advise before i jump into it?
[12:25] <jdub> you should *not* run nautilus as root
[12:25] <chibifs> Not nautilus
[12:25] <chibifs> XFFM :P
[12:25] <jdub> you should not run any file manager as root
[12:25] <chibifs> I should when I need to manage root files. >.>
[12:26] <Matt|> is it ok to have the apache htdocs in one's home directory?
[12:26] <ryan> yeah i don't think i'd ever want to run a filemanager as root
[12:26] <Matt|> with user permissions?
[12:26] <ryan> Matt|: of course
[12:26] <chibifs> Ubuntu is actually my first time ever using a USER account.
[12:26] <Matt|> at the moment they are in /var/www/localhost/htdocs with root permissions
[12:26] <ryan> hoo boy
[12:26] <Hikaru79> chibi, that's not something to brag about :P
[12:26] <chibifs> Yeah, I'm bad. :D
[12:26] <Matt|> chibifs, respek
[12:27] <topyli> chibifs: oh man. that's sad
[12:27] <jdub> chibifs: you should never need to 'manage' files that are not owned by your user
[12:27] <ogra> chibifs: noting to be proud of
[12:27] <Matt|> lol
[12:28] <chibifs> jdub - global installs not managed by apt?
[12:28] <topyli> chibifs: sudo there
[12:28] <jdub> chibifs: not something that should be done with a graphical file manager
[12:29] <chibifs> I'm used to graphic file managers. It can't be that bad. It's not as if they have net access of any sort.
[12:30] <jdub> chibifs: "can't be that bad"
[12:30] <topyli> chibifs: sudo is not exactly a ubuntu invention. on any distro you should set it up first thing
[12:30] <jdub> if you run your file manager as root, you can screw your install (potentially even hardware) by pressing the wrong buttons
[12:30] <chibifs> And I've been using linux for a year as root. Nothing has happened. <.<
[12:30] <jdub> that's a very unwise thing to do
[12:31] <Matt|> another thing: how to allow users to see a directory listing with apache??
[12:31] <TrasMontano> Matt|: IT worked for xcdroast BUT in root user like told in xcdroast page, many thx TOO !
[12:31] <topyli> chibifs: good for you
[12:31] <ryan> heh
[12:31] <Matt|> TrasMontano, yeah you need to be root
[12:31] <Matt|> for some reason
[12:31] <ogra> Matt|: remove/rename index.html
[12:31] <Matt|> ogra, i believe that it doesn't permit directory listing where there is no index file
[12:32] <topyli> TrasMontano: first time you have to be root
[12:32] <Matt|> maybe i'm wrong
[12:32] <TrasMontano> many thx guys you're very sympatics !
[12:32] <topyli> then not
[12:32] <Matt|> TrasMontano, where are you from?
[12:32] <ogra> Matt|: by default it sould
[12:32] <ogra> +h
[12:32] <TrasMontano> topyli: i try
[12:32] <TrasMontano> Matt|: France, Paris
[12:32] <Matt|> ogra, Forbidden
[12:32] <Matt|> You don't have permission to access /images/ on this server.
[12:33] <Matt|> topyli, with ide xcdroast requires you to be root for any burning
[12:33] <ogra> Matt|: images is a special case
[12:33] <Matt|> lol
[12:33] <Matt|> ah
[12:33] <topyli> Matt|: no, it shouldn't do that
[12:33] <Matt|> ogra, Forbidden
[12:33] <Matt|> You don't have permission to access /Documents/ on this server.
[12:33] <ogra> Matt|: create a dir under /var/www, you can list files in there
[12:34] <Matt|> topyli, no, but it does
[12:34] <topyli> hmm.
[12:34] <TrasMontano> xcdroast can convert mp3 to audio automatcly??
[12:35] <topyli> not in my house :)
[12:35] <karevoll> Matt|: the directory you're trying to list must be world-executable (chmod a+x dirname)
[12:35] <Matt|> topyli, what cd drive you have
[12:35] <Matt|> karevoll, ok wonderful
[12:35] <Matt|> thanks
[12:44] <karevoll> np, in unix, entering a directory is the same as executing it
[12:44] <chibifs> I'm happily all sudo setup now, though. :o
[12:44] <topyli> Matt|: it's an ide atapi lite-on drive
[12:44] <Matt|> hmm
[12:44] <TrasMontano> ok i'll try anlone but for this i've to mount my ntfs partition
[12:44] <chibifs> I suppose I could use mc for root file management?
[12:44] <TrasMontano> THE LAST nb question for the night :
[12:44] <topyli> Matt|: in xcdroast, remove the drive it found, add manually /dev/hdc or whatever your drive is
[12:44] <Matt|> topyli, ok
[12:44] <chibifs> My car doesn't have breaks. :P
[12:44] <TrasMontano> when i mount my ntfs partition users can't read...any IDEAS ?
[12:44] <WX> hi
[12:44] <TrasMontano> promees last nb question
[12:44] <topyli> chibifs: i believe you. root doesn't need breaks :)
[12:44] <WX> anyone here use Ubuntu as a server?
[12:44] <jdub> WX: all the ubuntu servers run ubuntu
[12:44] <chibifs> I do
[12:44] <chibifs> http://studiochibico.com
[12:44] <TrasMontano> chibifs: LAMP ??
[12:44] <chibifs> Totally. :P
[12:44] <topyli> WX that's relative. my box is ssh, mail, file/print server and my workstation/sandbox :)
[12:44] <WX> im thinking of ditching gentoo on my server... it just scares me sometimes when I run "emerge -U world"
[12:44] <WX> topyli: u know what i mean... :-P
[12:44] <topyli> hehe
[12:44] <topyli> WX: i guess it's just as good as debian for that
[12:44] <roo1> Awww.
[12:44] <TrasMontano> Help :-[ permissions....
[12:44] <roo1> I wanna be root ;_;
[12:44] <WX> alright... i guess i'll give it a shot on my secondary server first
[12:44] <TrasMontano> I want to mount ntfs partion for normal users
[12:44] <TrasMontano> but it only work for root
[12:44] <chibifs> Tras- Wish I
[12:44] <Matt|> what is the command to change owner of a directory?
[12:44] <TrasMontano> chown
[12:44] <visor> uhmm i have a silly question, do i have to mount a smb share from a server running samba 3.x as cifs?
[12:44] <chibifs> could help you there* :/
[12:44] <topyli> TrasMontano: fstab confusion i guess
[12:44] <TrasMontano> but after mounting it chage it to root owner
[12:44] <TrasMontano> topyli: i think to
[12:44] <TrasMontano> i past you the intersting line
[12:44] <chibifs> chmod -R 777 / :D
[12:44] <topyli> ok
[12:44] <TrasMontano> -R ????
[12:44] <ogra> TrasMontano: mount -o umask=000
[12:44] <chibifs> XD don't do that
[12:44] <topyli> TrasMontano: ogra is right
[12:44] <chibifs> TrasMontano - That's bash for 'hey, come rape me' :P
[12:44] <ameoba> not really in the mood to sign up for the bugzilla - just checking out the distro.  But, apt-get install automake suggests autobook.  There is no autobook
[12:44] <topyli> chibifs: might as well run windows 95
[12:44] <TrasMontano> that's my fstab line /dev/hdb1	/mnt/xp		auto	ro,user		0	0
[12:52] <ogra> ameoba: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:52] <Matt|> chibifs, nice site
[12:52] <chibifs> :D
[12:52] <topyli> TrasMontano: only two zeroes, are you sure?
[12:52] <Matt|> you are 17 and engaged? :)
[12:52] <chibifs> Yes.
[12:52] <TrasMontano> topyli: yep
[12:52] <ogra> topyli: thats ok
[12:52] <TrasMontano> topyli: i'm learning tell me what's wrong
[12:52] <TrasMontano> i just want to be readable
[12:52] <topyli> TrasMontano: oh yes. you need to ad a umask option. umask=something (i don't have a windows partition)
[12:52] <chibifs> Part of the reason there's no marriage yet. :P
[12:52] <[Phaedrus] > who's 17 and engaged?
[12:52] <chibifs> Me. :o
[12:52] <ogra> TrasMontano: /dev/hdb1 /mnt/xp  auto ro,user,umask=000  0 0
[12:52] <[Phaedrus] > how old is your girl? if you dont mind me asking
[12:52] <TrasMontano> topyli: oki i try umask=000
[12:52] <TrasMontano> ogra: ok
[12:52] <jdub> guys, off-topic stuff elsewhere please
[12:52] <chibifs> 19.
[12:52] <[Phaedrus] > ooh... going for the older ones eh
[12:52] <draconian> :)
[12:52] <chibifs> pedophilia! onoez!
[12:52] <ameoba> ogra - I'm not even sure what autobook is... just mentioning that there's some bad info in the .deb
[12:52] <[Phaedrus] > well, for what its worth... congratulations chibifs
[12:52] <chibifs> Thanks ^_^
[12:52] <ogra> apt-cache search autobook
[12:52] <ogra> autobook - GNU Autoconf, Automake and Libtool Book
[12:52] <ameoba> figured it was some sort of docu
[12:52] <TrasMontano> ogra: and topyli MANY THX IT WORK !!!!!
[12:52] <topyli> ameoba: autobook is "GNU Autoconf, Automake and Libtool Book". if autoconf suggests and doesn't depend, it doesn't matter
[12:52] <TrasMontano> umask=000
[12:52] <topyli> TrasMontano: cool
[12:52] <TrasMontano> ;-)
[12:52] <ogra> ameoba: its in universe, not on the cd
[12:52] <TrasMontano> now i can try to burn mp3 to an audio cd for my car
[12:52] <ameoba> ogra : downloading from the net...
[12:52] <jdub> ameoba: it's a suggestion. autobook is in universe.
[12:52] <topyli> TrasMontano: no you can't, with xcdroast anyway :)
[12:52] <topyli> you need to convert the mp3s to wavs first
[12:52] <TrasMontano> topyli: i've to conveert first??
[12:52] <topyli> TrasMontano: yep, xcdroast is OldSkool
[12:52] <TrasMontano> topyli: lol what do u use ??
[12:52] <ameoba> jdub : I guess dpkg/apt doesn't let you mark things as "suggested but you can't get them now", eh?
[12:52] <jdub> ameoba: it doesn't matter
[12:52] <topyli> TrasMontano: google for a script called Naudilus. it's cool, it's a nautilus script that  converts formats to others
[12:52] <TrasMontano> topyli: and then i burn with nautilus, i'm googleing
[12:52] <Matt|> karevoll, i have made the directory i wanted to list executable dr-xr-xr-x but it does not list
[12:52] <ameoba> jdub : technically, it doesn't impact usability.  in the realm of 'don't confuse the user' it does.
[12:52] <topyli> TrasMontano: no, then you can burn with xcdroast. nautilus doesn't do audio cd's
[12:53] <TrasMontano> topyli: :) thk u
[12:53] <ogra> ameoba: its a suggestion, nothing more
[12:53] <topyli> TrasMontano: damn our platform is not very user friendly :)
[12:53] <topyli> rofl
[12:54] <Matt|> can someone help me with listing directories in apache?
[12:54] <TrasMontano> topyli: i never use for workstation
[12:54] <TrasMontano> topyli: only proxy and firewall
[12:55] <topyli> TrasMontano: well, kde users have k3b but gnome is lagging behind on this one :(
[12:55] <topyli> cd burning
[12:56] <TrasMontano> topyli: yes iv've tried k3b, very good tool (in knoppix) but i prefer gnome ;-)
[12:56] <ogra> topyli: coaster .... will come any time
[12:57] <ogra> topyli: dont do THAT ;)
[12:57] <topyli> hehe
[12:57] <chibifs> ::sigh:: Damn you KDE!.. stealing what could be our good gtk programs. ;_;
[12:57] <epod> can someone direct me to the page that describes how to install the ati binary drivers please?
[12:57] <jdub> epod: find 'BinaryDriverHowto' on the wiki
[12:57] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriversHowto
[12:58] <epod> thank you
[12:58] <Matt|> yeah those wikis are hard to find!
[12:58] <ogra> lol
[12:58] <ogra> especially with the search function....
[12:58] <epod> I am very pleased, ubuntu didn't crash my system with the thermal zone acpi module, detected my 1440x900 resolution, and my sound works! :D
[12:58] <Matt|> i didn't see the search function
[12:58] <Matt|> :(
[12:58] <topyli> chibifs: kde is quite nice too, for those who like that sort of thing. k3b could never be in gnome anyway, it's not very compliant to the HIG :)
[12:58] <ogra> top right
[12:58] <TrasMontano> ogra: this URL works very good for my nvidia
[12:59] <ogra> TrasMontano: ;)
[12:59] <chibifs> We need a k3b like gtk frontend, though. :/
[12:59] <Matt|> anyone who can help me with getting a directory listing in my apache folders?
[12:59] <ogra> chibifs: http://coaster.sf.net
[01:00] <topyli> chibifs: we need the functionality, but we definitely need a better UI. coaster might do it once the library is working
[01:00] <TrasMontano> Matt|: remote listing ??
[01:00] <Matt|> TrasMontano, yes
[01:00] <TrasMontano> Matt|: interseting...i stay there ;-)
[01:01] <chibifs> I've almost been able to live completely without qt, but I still end up using Apollon and k3b. ._.
[01:01] <ogra> topyli: once....
[01:02] <Keknehv> Hi all
[01:02] <TrasMontano> Keknehv: hi
[01:02] <chibifs> 'lo. o.o
[01:02] <cardador> ogra: Coaster Site Has Moved :P
[01:03] <Matt|> which is the font that ubuntu uses for most application menus?
[01:03] <topyli> ogra: well, getting rid of cdrecord is good. but libburn needs some love if it's going to deliver
[01:03] <Keknehv> how do I configure X86Config to route through an NVidia PCI card on PCI1?
[01:03] <Matt|> i would like to copy it to gtk-theme-switch
[01:03] <Keknehv> [The ubuntu system gets to a blank screen when it tries to load GDM)
[01:03] <ogra> topyli: everytime i consider coaster vaporware, the guys make some noise again :)
[01:04] <eladio> ahh.. hello fellow ubuntu users.
[01:04] <cardador> ogra: is coaster usable? last time i checked it wasnt
[01:04] <corbob> how do i run NTP support in the system?
[01:04] <chibifs> Mind you, the friendliness I've seen when changing from slack to ubuntu.. I'm sure I can deal with just that for now.
[01:04] <jdub> corbob: ntpdate will start when you boot
[01:04] <jdub> corbob: but you can also install ntp-simple
[01:04] <chibifs> And I've always liked APT.
[01:05] <eladio> having trouble getting wireless to work on my notebook.. what is ndiswrapper.
[01:05] <eladio> do i need it
[01:05] <TrasMontano> Matt|: do u know the apache's version ??
[01:05] <corbob> jdub, how do i get ubuntu to assume the hardware clock is set to local time...
[01:05] <riffic> anyone know how to disable gnome turning off the monitor in ubuntu ??
[01:05] <jdub> corbob: change /etc/default/rcS
[01:05] <riffic> hardware clock should be gmt
[01:05] <jdub> corbob: UTC=no
[01:05] <chibifs> I just hope they don't throw in KDE and slow down the gnome support. Slackware is completely dropping it.
[01:05] <topyli> ogra: noise is good. at least they're not asleep. :) but aren't the coaster folks mainly just waiting for a working libburn?
[01:05] <riffic> er utc
[01:05] <Matt|> TrasMontano, Server version: Apache/2.0.52 is the one i have
[01:06] <jdub> chibifs: no, dude, patrick is 'considering' dropping it and letting dropline do it.
[01:06] <corbob> riffic, i wouldn't care except i need to dual-boot with windows
[01:06] <riffic> oic
[01:06] <corbob> and windows assumes it's set to local time
[01:06] <stuNNed_> chibifs: yes but doesn't Slackware have Dropline gnome?
[01:06] <riffic> well windows should support UTC as a hardware clock
[01:06] <riffic> like any other proper OS
[01:06] <chibifs> Dropline is hellishly buggy :/
[01:06] <stuNNed_> oh..
[01:06] <eladio> iwconfig results in no wireless extensions
[01:07] <corbob> it's actually quite funny because i had fecora on here, so yesterday when i booted into windows my time was an hour earlier than it was because both systems set the hardware clock back an hour
[01:07] <epod> ok, to set up the 686 smp kernel, I just sudo apt-get install linux-686-smp
[01:07] <ryan> i like how half the fonts that ubuntu installs by default don't even work
[01:07] <epod> yes?
[01:07] <ryan> all these stupid font names and they all look like "Sans" which usually means they're broken
[01:08] <topyli> chibifs: i guess patrick might be wise to not support gnome. he's such a lonely rider. how much can a man do?
[01:08] <chibifs> Not that I mind gnomeless compiles, but I still rely  on a lot of apps in gnome. (I'm an XFCE user myself.)
[01:08] <jdub> ryan: um, yeesh, dude.
[01:08] <jdub> ryan: all those fonts that ubuntu installs by default are for fundamentally different character sets.
[01:09] <eladio> help... can't get linksys wpc11 wireless pc card to work with notebook
[01:09] <jdub> ryan: so what you're seeing in the font chooser is the fallback to sans for our characters.
[01:09] <chibifs> :o Ubuntu needs Arial Unicode by default. :P
[01:09] <ryan> when you choose 'english' you'd think it'd be like "okay, he doesn't need those"
[01:09] <topyli> oh my $DEITY, it's late
[01:09] <jdub> ryan: load the character map, and see all the other fonts being used in all their glory.
[01:10] <jdub> ryan: (better to ask questions than to make rash assumptions)
[01:10] <chibifs> <3 full chinese kanji sheet.
[01:11] <ryan> i still stand by the fact that when you choose english, it shouldn't install every other font under the sun
[01:12] <ryan> those seem like install after the fact types of things
[01:12] <ryan> heh
[01:12] <mirak_> hi hi
[01:12] <Keknehv> How can I set up gdm in safe mode?
[01:12] <chibifs> Multilingueal support by default is usefull.
[01:13] <chibifs> I would enjoy UIM by default, too. :o
[01:13] <Keknehv> How do I set up the X server to go through PCI1??
[01:14] <jdub> ryan: it should definitely install them. perhaps it shouldn't display fonts that don't cover roman letters.
[01:14] <mirak_> "P C I 1" ??
[01:14] <jdub> chibifs: we want to do iim stuff for the next release
[01:14] <Keknehv> Err.. an nvidia pci card on pci1...
[01:14] <ryan> jdub: hrm, that could be a good option too
[01:14] <aitrus> BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
[01:15] <Keknehv> where do I put that?
[01:15] <aitrus> or whatever lspci says
[01:15] <ryan> jdub: and my apologies for sounding "rash" ;)
[01:15] <mirak_> if the mobo has onboard wouldnt PCI:1:0:0 be the onboard video?
[01:15] <aitrus> maybe try under the "Device" section for your video card
[01:16] <aitrus> the nvidia readme explains in detail how to do this
[01:16] <aitrus> and has examples
[01:16] <Keknehv> See, when I try and load ubuntu, it gets to starting GDM, the screen blinks on and off a couple times, and then it says the X server couldnt start
[01:16] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriversHowto
[01:16] <Keknehv> oh...
[01:16] <Keknehv> ok
[01:16] <mirak_> keknehv, to get my agp card working i had to comment out PCI:1:0:0
[01:16] <mirak_> but that is agp
[01:16] <Keknehv> I don't have agp...
[01:16] <aitrus> mirak_: that's cause agp isn't pci
[01:16] <Keknehv> But where would that line be anyways?
[01:17] <mirak_> xfree86-4 file ........i think thats what it is called
[01:17] <epod> ohmygod
[01:17] <ryan> oh btw thanks for using firefox by default instead of epiphany ;)
[01:17] <mirak_> lol
[01:17] <epod> I've tried 5 linux distros on my notebook, and this is the only one that has *worked* with the stupid ATI drivers
[01:17] <epod> that was so painless.
[01:17] <mirak_> lol
[01:17] <aitrus> Keknehv: /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/examples  <-- read it
[01:18] <chibifs> Thanks for using firefox .9.3 >.>
[01:18] <chibifs> 1.0PR Is infinitely crashy.
[01:18] <ogra> Keknehv: have you read this ? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:18] <epod> sorry, I'm so happy, it's funny
[01:19] <ryan> heh
[01:20] <epod> now, if ndiswrapper works, I'm going to be as giddy as a schoolgirl
[01:21] <ryan> ndiswrapper?
[01:21] <ogra> epod: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/
[01:21] <ryan> is that something like freebsd's ndisulator?
[01:23] <mirak_> hey guys....im a newb....are the guides on tldp.org worht reading???
[01:23] <charlie> can anybody tell me why i can't listen too xmms and hear for instance a movie playing in mplayer at the same time?
[01:23] <charlie> soundcard : terratec 5.1
[01:23] <ogra> charlie: use esd for output
[01:23] <epod> omg my wireless card works
[01:23] <tseng> mirak_: they are generally good, but written by different people.. so i'd say YMMV (your mileage may vary)
[01:23] <aitrus> charlie: you need to run 'gstreamer-properties'
[01:24] <ogra> altrus: not for mplayer/xmms
[01:24] <aitrus> charlie: and change your sink
[01:24] <tseng> mirak_: also im guessing as with any documentation, some things get out of date
[01:24] <aitrus> ogra: whups, i read "mplayer" and "totem"
[01:24] <aitrus> err.. as
[01:24] <mirak_> tseng, any good place to start? i plan to read them all...eventually, and iwas gonna start at "bash guide for beginners"
[01:25] <tseng> sounds like a plan
[01:25] <charlie> ogra / aitrus.. : gonna look some more around thx for your suggestions
[01:25] <mirak_> tseng, i see it as , as long as i get a working knowledge of it....i can adapt to be more up-to-date
[01:25] <aitrus> charlie: mine won't effect either of those... i misread what you said
[01:26] <mirak_> tseng, i do ok now...i guess....but ogra bot cant answer all of my questions
[01:26] <ogra> charlie: the apps block the sounddevice esd is for multiple apps with one device...
[01:26] <ryan> damnit
[01:26] <ryan> hardware mixing was working just an hour ago
[01:27] <epod> can anyone help me get my wireless up? The driver is working, and I register signal, I just need to get my WEP key working
[01:27] <charlie> ogra :so which should use esd then? gnome / kde or one of the players?
[01:28] <eladio> epod, what wireless card are you using?
[01:28] <epod> Broadcom 802.11g thingy
[01:28] <ogra> char: for mplayer you can set it up in ~/.mplayer, for xmms use the esd output plugin
[01:29] <ogra> challie
[01:29] <ogra> grmpf
[01:29] <ogra> charlie: for mplayer you can set it up in ~/.mplayer, for xmms use the esd output plugin
[01:29] <charlie> ogra : oki gonna try that
[01:29] <ogra> gnome uses esd anyways
[01:30] <chibifs> Blah. evil sound daemons.
[01:30] <charlie> ogra : kde i'm running kde here.. but i will try it anyways :)
[01:30] <chibifs> <3 direct alsa.
[01:31] <ogra_dogwalk> charlie: k
[01:31] <epod> oops
[01:31] <epod> :/
[01:32] <epod> okay, so the wireless... not so easy
[01:32] <epod> driver works.  I just have to get it online
[01:33] <eladio> epod: i can't even get the interface to go up
[01:33] <epod> mine goes up, but didn't pull a valid IP, though my works' wireless uses network keys, so I dunno
[01:34] <stuNNed_> does ubuntu support wpa wifi encryption?
[01:34] <LinuxJones> epod, >> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Installation
[01:34] <chibifs> So who's idea was it to strip the naked people from ubuntu? :o
[01:34] <chibifs> (pun and confusion intended.)
[01:35] <epod> iwconfig tells me all is well
[01:35] <eladio> linuxjones: i just installed warthog.. do i already have ndiswrapper installed in system?
[01:35] <epod> homepod:~ $ iwlist wlan0 scan
[01:35] <epod> wlan0     Failed to read scan data : Operation not supported
[01:35] <epod> :(
[01:36] <epod> oh wait
[01:36] <epod> I have to sudo I bet
[01:36] <epod> whee
[01:36] <LinuxJones> eladio, depends on which kernel your running here's a link >> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/
[01:38] <Loptr> Does anyone have any idea on how to boot Ubuntu installation from a Firewire CD?
[01:38] <eladio> linuxjones: the release 1.0 warthog that i burned from ISO does not have ndiswrapper-utils.. yeesh..
[01:39] <Loptr> It even suggests trying netinstall when unable to find CD but I can't see any menu option to do a network install.. All I can do is select "Scan for CD-ROM" once more, which doesn't help..
[01:40] <LinuxJones> eladio, if you have a cdburner you can download it , burn and install from cdrom.
[01:42] <epod> whee, wireless works.  Thanks to everyone who helped me :) Two more questions.  1) is there a way for me to get a pretty boot-up screen? and 2) is there a graphical wireless config tool?
[01:42] <eladio> linuxjones... alrighty.. i guess i will burn it to a cd..
[01:43] <ryan> i'm having trouble getting alsa disabled so it doesn't interfere with my nvsound module, ideas?
[01:45] <epod> Hm, I am having trouble getting my removable usb drive to register
[01:48] <Acridien> what uses ubuntu ide-cd or scsi emulation ?
[01:49] <ernesto_> any one know any good netstumbler like tools for linux?
[01:49] <hypa7ia> kismet
[01:49] <hypa7ia> the /original/ :-)
[01:50] <ernesto_> is it graphical?
[01:51] <hypa7ia> there is a gui i think
[01:51] <hypa7ia> but it's ncurses by default
[01:51] <draconian> what's the easiest way to install the nvidia drivers in ubuntu?
[01:51] <ameoba> ncurses is a GUI...
[01:51] <ameoba> it's just text-based +)
[01:51] <epod> Bye all :)
[01:51] <hypa7ia> fair enough ameoba :-)
[01:52] <Loptr> so, no one who has any experience using alternative boot media aside from floppy/cdrom?
[01:53] <jdub> http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/random/ubuntu-november.png
[01:53] <ogra> jdub: already ?
[01:53] <ryan> oo nude chix!
[01:54] <jdub> it being november and all...
[01:54] <hypa7ia> she is so pretty :-)
[01:54] <Acridien> what does ubuntu use ide-cd or scsi-emualtion ?
[01:54] <ogra> archives.ubuntu.com gets slashdotted ;)
[01:55] <Loptr> acridien: i think it supports both
[01:55] <jdub> Acridien: supports both, defaults to scsi emulation, i believe
[01:55] <Loptr> jdub: whats the desktopbar-icon to the left of the battery.. the greyed out bars.. wifi access?
[01:55] <jdub> Loptr: yeah
[01:55] <jdub> that's a nice icon, because 'disabled' is translucent
[01:56] <Acridien> jdub: is dd working fine for you ?
[01:56] <jdub> so depending on your theme or colour of your panel, it looks rad ;)
[01:56] <jcole> !slashdot
[01:56] <Acridien> jdub: Mine won't copy from /dev/hdc
[01:56] <jdub> Acridien: haven't tried
[01:56] <jcole> uh, sorry
[01:56] <Acridien> I/O error
[01:57] <Loptr> jdub: what's it called?
[01:57] <jcole> ogra: where?
[01:57] <chibifs> o.o.. I love the ubuntu logo. I want to steal it.
[01:57] <srbaker_> what's the "proper" way to have a program start on gnome startup?
[01:57] <ryan> argh!@#!
[01:57] <jdub> Loptr: the applet? wireless link monitor
[01:57] <srbaker_> tomboy, in this instance
[01:57] <ogra> jcole: see jdubs url
[01:58] <jdub> srbaker_: tomboy should add itself to the session
[01:58] <jdub> srbaker_: if it's something that doesn't support session management, there's a list in the session dialogue
[01:58] <srbaker_> jdub, so when i log out, if tomboy is running, it'll start itself back up when i log in again?
[01:59] <ryan> does /etc/hotplug/blacklist accept wildcards
[01:59] <shaver> Suggested packages:
[01:59] <shaver>   apache2-doc tomcat4 ca-certificates
[01:59] <shaver> E: Package tomcat4 has no installation candidate
[01:59] <ogra> ryan: dont think so
[01:59] <shaver> hrm, and I have universe in my sources
[01:59] <kapputu> apt-cache search packagename
[01:59] <kapputu> hi ogra
[01:59] <ryan> crud
[01:59] <ogra> hi
[01:59] <ryan> maybe just by blacklisting "snd" alsa wno't be able to load
[01:59] <jdub> srbaker_: if you save your session, and if tomboy does it correctly, yes
[02:00] <kapputu> what's news ?
[02:00] <kapputu> did the # miss me ?
[02:00] <srbaker_> jdub, oh, so i have to tell it "save session" when i log out?
[02:00] <kapputu> ;-)
[02:00] <srbaker_> k
[02:00] <jdub> shaver: hrm.
[02:00] <jdub> shaver: thom will know what's going on with this.
[02:00] <jdub> shaver: most likely that it didn't build (lack of java).
[02:00] <shaver> jdub: OK, I'll lie in wait
[02:00] <jdub> shaver: that is something we can fix, though
[02:01] <jdub> well
[02:01] <jdub> depending on the java req
[02:01] <Loptr> jdub: thank you :) indeed it was rad. your whole desktop was clean and fresh. i like it
[02:01] <shaver> libapache2-mod-jk2 is installed, at least
[02:01] <jdub> shaver: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/t/tomcat4/4.1.30-6/
[02:01] <ogra> jdub: is the calendar uploaded already ?
[02:01] <shaver> ": amd64 not in arch list: all -- skipping"
[02:01] <shaver> !
[02:02] <shaver> ah, but i386 fails in more interesting ways
[02:02] <mdz> shaver: 'all' is a package which is only built once for all architectures
[02:02] <mdz> shaver: whereas 'any' means it is built once per architecture
[02:02] <mdz> pure java packages are generally arch: all
[02:03] <jdub> ogra: yes, it's in warty-updates
[02:03] <shaver> mdz: cool
[02:05] <Acridien> Do someone has an idea for solving this issue: I/O error when dd if=/dev/hdc of=/home/.../cd.iso ?
[02:05] <jdub> shaver: enjoying so far?
[02:05] <shaver> jdub: yeah, though using debian for the first time is awkward
[02:05] <Loptr> acridien: try adding parameter bs=1024
[02:05] <Acridien> Loptr: tx why ?
[02:06] <Loptr> Acridien: bs = blocksize, which limits it to reading data in 1kb chunks. sometimes that can sort things out
[02:07] <Loptr> Acridien: it will however lower performance, but if it works, you can gradually try increasing it.
[02:07] <Loptr> Acridien: what kind of device is /dev/hdc?
[02:08] <Acridien> Loptr: a dvd reader
[02:08] <Acridien> Loptr: i tried with a Writer but it logs out the same error
[02:08] <Loptr> Acridien: ah, ok. haven't had much experience with those though, so i'm not sure if it will make any difference. won't hurt trying though.
[02:09] <Acridien> Loptr: where should I insert the bs=1024 before if or of ?
[02:09] <Acridien> Loptr: it just exited with the same error
[02:10] <ogra> jdub: dont you think warty-updates should be documented anywhere ?
[02:10] <Loptr> Acridien: oh, ok. :( then i'm out of ideas
[02:10] <Acridien> Loptr: good attempt tx
[02:11] <Tufek> hi everyone...ubuntu linux also one live cd or no ?
[02:12] <Loptr> Tufek: not sure if the latest (Warty) has a livecd
[02:13] <Tufek> Loptr, 4.10 version
[02:14] <Acridien> Loptr: this is strange because i get the error with a cd-rom but not with a cd-rw
[02:14] <lamont> shaver: a side effect of how arch: all packages are handled (only built on i386) is that they get _tried_ on all architectures...
[02:14] <tweaked_> Hey all i have one question, how can i config a game paddle? it is for tuxracer
[02:15] <camden> hi everybody!
[02:15] <camden> i have a really quick question, how do I install a .deb from the command line?
[02:16] <psyklops> dpkg -i
[02:16] <camden> neato, thank you
[02:16] <cardador> camden: sudo dpkg -i
[02:16] <psyklops> ah, sudo, of course
[02:17] <tweaked_> Any know how to config a game paddle
[02:17] <camden> that much I knew, actually :)
[02:17] <camden> thanks tho
[02:17] <chibifs> tweaked_- generally automatic.
[02:17] <Acridien> tweaked_: i m installing tuxracer :-D
[02:17] <tweaked_> it does not work in tuxracer
[02:18] <ogra> jdub: isn't the image supposed to switch automagically if i selected monthly calendar ?
[02:18] <chibifs> linux kernel even picks up my playstation 2 dual shock controller. :o
[02:18] <tweaked_> Is there away to do it your self?
[02:18] <camden> argh...
[02:19] <camden> does anybody here have an ATI gfx card?
[02:19] <tweaked_> Ya i did
[02:19] <tweaked_> Went to matrox
[02:19] <chibifs> If I had one, I wouldn't use linux.
[02:19] <camden> can't get the drivers installed.
[02:19] <jamesh> yes
[02:19] <TrasMontano> camden: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto doesnt work ???
[02:20] <tweaked_> What ATI do you have
[02:20] <camden> x800 pro
[02:20] <camden> hmmm... didn't know about that trasmontano, I'll give that a look-see
[02:20] <tweaked_> Did you try getting them from ATI web
[02:20] <jamesh> camden: the 9200 works pretty well with the free drivers
[02:21] <tweaked_> ya it did for me
[02:21] <camden> tweaked: yeah, it was only available in rpm format
[02:21] <Acridien> for those who love penguins you should request this page http://smashmethod.mg2.org/images/full/02threed/004_maybe_it%27s_over_to_the_left.jpg
[02:21] <camden> ran alien on it.
[02:21] <TrasMontano> Acridien: LOL
[02:22] <klasiphyd> i looked at that binary driver page, but i don't see any ati logo on bootup
[02:22] <kapputu> ogra did you read usenet flame war between tanenbaum and linux ?
[02:22] <tolstoy> Hm. Why would a network printer say "stopped" when clearly, it isn't, and I can ping it's ip address?
[02:22] <camden> wow, I am a total debian newb, I hadn't even thought to try apt-get
[02:23] <ogra> kapputu: is there a recent one ?
[02:23] <kapputu> no the old one
[02:23] <kapputu> I saw it on slashdot
[02:23] <kapputu> I guess you have read it before
[02:23] <ogra> kapputu: yes, some years ago ....
[02:23] <kapputu> I found a particular line amusing
[02:24] <kapputu> like a software project can never be managed by a group of people hacking away
[02:24] <kapputu> it has to have a leader, blah blah
[02:24] <kensai> Ok I finally figured out how to change the splash sceen for when gdm starts. What I don't know how to change is the background when the splshscreen is loading. Any tips?
[02:24] <kapputu> and linus himself admitting that he doesn't see linux going anywhere in the next 5 years
[02:25] <ogra> kapputu: see this: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/9804.0/0930.html
[02:25] <nomasteryoda> give me a million monkeys anyday
[02:25] <ogra> kapputu: its a really good one ;)
[02:27] <mirak_> is "man" files on my computer...or the internet somewhere??
[02:28] <kapputu> wow that was funny !!
[02:28] <RuffianSoldier> ubuntu is my favorite distro
[02:28] <kapputu> back then he was this brash, young guy
[02:28] <ReporterX> hi all!
[02:28] <RuffianSoldier> HI ReporterX
[02:28] <RuffianSoldier> You rock!
[02:29] <psyklops> haha
[02:29] <[Phaedrus] > that's funny ogra
[02:29] <ogra> ;)
[02:29] <ReporterX> i need the ubuntu kernel source to complile my wirless usb driver... where i can get it
[02:29] <[Phaedrus] > now i need to go get myself a PnP mouse pad
[02:29] <ReporterX> 
[02:29] <ReporterX> ?
[02:30] <[Phaedrus] > dang!, that's one more thing in my to do list
[02:30] <TrasMontano> ReporterX: what's your kernel version?
[02:30] <jnc> that ubuntu is a dog on 233mhz @ 64mb ram
[02:30] <ogra> ReporterX: ndis ?
[02:30] <jnc> totally unusuable with any degree of usefulness
[02:31] <mirak_> where are the man files located?.....on my computer or the internet?
[02:31] <ReporterX> ogra: No... atmel a75c503a
[02:31] <TrasMontano> ReporterX: look at linux- not at kernel-,    ogra :-p
[02:31] <mirak_> jnc, try a different dm..err wm...err dm idk.....maybe fluxbox
[02:31] <ogra> ReporterX: ogra@monkey:~ $ locate atmel
[02:31] <chibifs> XFCE!
[02:31] <ogra> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/atmel.ko
[02:31] <mirak_> xfce4 is good as well
[02:31] <chibifs> Use xfce4.2 :P
[02:32] <ogra> ReporterX: its there ;)
[02:32] <[Phaedrus] > mirak_: usually on your computer, if you had installed it
[02:32] <draconian> heh synaptic is nice
[02:32] <pao> hi all :-)
[02:32] <draconian> did all that nvidia stuff by itself
[02:32] <pao> ubuntu rocks! :-)
[02:32] <Acridien> who is playing doom3 here ?
[02:32] <mirak_> [phaedrus] , i can access it....does that mean it is installed?
[02:32] <chibifs> 4.2 is infinitely better than 4. :o
[02:32] <[Phaedrus] > mirak_: yep
[02:32] <ReporterX> ogra: But ubuntu doesn't detect my wireless device...
[02:32] <tim-tx> draconian: it's a really nice interface :) (synaptic)
[02:32] <kapputu> ogra, I feel that young guys are losing an enthusiasm for programming
[02:32] <pao> coming back to linux after 5 years of freebsd... :-)
[02:32] <kapputu> especially here in the U.S
[02:33] <[Phaedrus] > good for you pao
[02:33] <draconian> tim-tx: yes much better than what slackware got's going for it
[02:33] <[Phaedrus] > welcome back
[02:33] <mirak_> [phaedrus] , thnx i am reading "intro to linux" on tldp.org ....talk about them.....just wondering where they are....thnx
[02:33] <chibifs> You'll need to grab a library from Hoary, and add the osciation repository to apt, but the packages work fine.
[02:33] <yann_> i have xfce4.2 running on my gentoo box... it is really nice and fast, even though the 4.0.6 was a bit quicker..
[02:33] <ouaip> hi i just install ubuntu and i don't have the password root, how i can check it? why it doesn't ask it me before?
[02:33] <Acridien> pao: what differences with linux  i don't know feebsd
[02:33] <nevyn> kapputu: is that really supprising given the offshoring of development work in the states?
[02:33] <Acridien> ?
[02:33] <ogra> ReporterX: hmm, tried sudo modprobe atmel ?
[02:33] <[Phaedrus] > mirak_: you have to do "man man"
[02:33] <Acridien> is it proprietary =
[02:33] <Acridien> ?
[02:33] <joe_41105> any idea how to get gnucash on ubuntu ?? i looked in synaptec but no sucess!
[02:33] <pao> Acridien, well don't want to start up a flame...
[02:33] <kapputu> nevyn, probably not, but what about guys programming just for the sake of it
[02:33] <psyklops> ouaip: yse sudo
[02:34] <mirak_> [phaedrus]  i did man gnome....it worked....just didnt know the location
[02:34] <kapputu> that hacker mentality is gone
[02:34] <psyklops> ouaip: there is no root password, you just sudo with your user password
[02:34] <pao> Acridien, but I think that for desktop ubuntu is much better and polished...
[02:34] <ouaip> what psyklops ?
[02:34] <kapputu> somehow down the line, I feel that it has not been passed on
[02:34] <chibifs> ouaip - your root is the same as your user
[02:34] <pao> Acridien, you could get the same result with freebsd but with much more work...
[02:34] <ouaip> chibifs i try it but it doesn't run
[02:34] <Acridien> pao: it was just curiosity
[02:35] <chibifs> Root is disabled.
[02:35] <ouaip> ??
[02:35] <TrasMontano> ouaip: to change the root password, make a # sudo passwd root
[02:35] <Acridien> pao: wanted to have informations about freebsd
[02:35] <ouaip> i don't understand
[02:35] <pao> Acridien, freebsd is very sysadmin friendly... very very clean
[02:35] <joe_41105> any idea how to get gnucash on ubuntu ?? i looked in synaptec but no sucess!
[02:35] <ogra> ReporterX: if you get an error with modprobe install linux-restricted-modules
[02:35] <chibifs> Use sudo or gksu.
[02:35] <ouaip> su or sudo  as command line?
[02:35] <Acridien> pao: is it GPL ?
[02:35] <[Phaedrus] > FreeBSD is a good OS, if you want to run a server
[02:35] <TrasMontano> ouaip: sudo passwd
[02:36] <nevyn> kapputu: that still happens.
[02:36] <ouaip> ok
[02:36] <Acridien> ouaip:  t'es francais ?
[02:36] <TrasMontano> ouaip: then u can su
[02:36] <pao>   [Phaedrus]  that is my conclusion right now...
[02:36] <[Phaedrus] > and it had the whole ports system before anyone did
[02:36] <Acridien> ouaip: tu veux quoi ?
[02:36] <ouaip> so every user can show  /root ?
[02:36] <pao> Acridien, no, it's not...
[02:36] <nevyn> kapputu: there'll always be the kid that works out how to write code so they can make pac-man for their TI-83
[02:36] <nevyn> or whatever.
[02:36] <chibifs> ouaip - sudo is like temporarily logging into root for a single command.
[02:36] <ouaip> Acridien c nul de pas mettre de root, je cherche a savoir le passse root
[02:37] <pao> Acridien, it a little bit more free if you want.. you do not need to redistribute derivative work...
[02:37] <TrasMontano> ouaip: no, bt there is no root password at the begenning
[02:37] <ReporterX> ogra: ok... do i have to install the atmel firnware ?
[02:37] <psyklops> ouaip: only users in the sudoers file
[02:37] <TrasMontano> ouaip: ya un root mais il n'est pas initialis
[02:37] <Acridien> ouaip: c'est le passe que t'a mis lors de l'installation
[02:37] <Acridien> TrasMontano: french nation :-)
[02:37] <ogra> ReporterX: its in the restricted-modules package ;)
[02:37] <pao> [Phaedrus] , I think that freebsd is still the best compromise for server installation... FOR ME :-)
[02:37] <ouaip> mais le login existe quand meme?
[02:37] <[Phaedrus] > and pao, for compiling the kernel freebsd was always a breeze...
[02:37] <ouaip> mais le login root existe quand meme?
[02:38] <Acridien> ouaip: non
[02:38] <kapputu> nevyn, it's probably that the computer is not a wonder thing that you wanted to exercise control over anymore
[02:38] <ouaip> ah bordel
[02:38] <Acridien> ouaip: a plus
[02:38] <[Phaedrus] > pao, for server OS, it is either freebsd or Gentoo for me
[02:38] <pao> [Phaedrus] , it really depends on what you know...
[02:38] <ogra> ReporterX: in ubuntu you normally dont need to compile anything ;)
[02:38] <ouaip> tout se fait sous sudo alros?
[02:38] <nevyn> kapputu: there'll always be control freaks ;)
[02:38] <Acridien> ouaip: tu tapes sudo /usr/bin/...  pour lancer une application
[02:38] <nevyn> kapputu: they're not going away.
[02:38] <ReporterX> ogra:... :-) hummm.... the restricted-module package is available on CD ?
[02:38] <TrasMontano> ouaip: non pas si tu fais un sudo passwd root
[02:38] <hypa7ia> ouaip: j'ai fait sudo passwd et j'ai change ma pass root
[02:38] <pao> [Phaedrus] , I tried gentoo but it keeps ages to install! or should I say recompile? :-)
[02:38] <TrasMontano> ouaip: comme a aprs tu peux faire su
[02:39] <hypa7ia> ouaip: puis j'ai fait simplement su
[02:39] <kapputu> but how early they start is what my concern is
[02:39] <ogra> ReporterX: it should, not sure
[02:39] <ouaip> c bizarre la ubuntu
[02:39] <[Phaedrus] > i agree pao, but you arent supposed to meddle with your server much.. once it is done, you know exactly what you have
[02:39] <TrasMontano> hypa7ia: EXACTEMENT
[02:39] <kapputu> anyway that was just an observation
[02:39] <TrasMontano> ouaip: non c'est comme knopiix par exemple
[02:39] <ouaip> j'aime pas le ssudo
[02:39] <ogra> ReporterX: linux-restricted-modules-arch where arch=386 or 686 or k7
[02:39] <hypa7ia> ouaip: est-ce que t'a essaye sudo passwd?
[02:40] <ouaip> non Hydroxide mais je v le faire
[02:40] <kapputu> probably the future will consist of compiling your own efficient kernel for your watch or something
[02:40] <TrasMontano> hypa7ia: sudo passwf root ;-)
[02:40] <hypa7ia> excusez ma manque d'accents
[02:40] <ouaip> non hypa7ia mais je v le faire
[02:40] <pao> [Phaedrus] , I'm really happy with my ubuntu laptop now... linux has much better HW support...
[02:40] <[Phaedrus] > true
[02:40] <hypa7ia> pao: me too, on a lappy as well
[02:40] <[Phaedrus] > have fun pao. I'm glad you are enjoying it
[02:40] <ouaip> bon sinon le server x n'a pas pu se lancer juste apres l'install, une idee de ce que ca peut etre?
[02:40] <Acridien> ouaip: l'avantage c'est que la permission sudo expire rapidement alors t'as plus de terminal root oubli dans un coin de l'cran
[02:40] <TrasMontano> on devrai faire un #ubuntu-fr ;-)
[02:41] <kapputu> haven't seen much complaints about Ubuntu and everyone gets good help if they come here
[02:41] <hypa7ia> j'y joindra
[02:41] <ouaip> Acridien ba j'aime bien la console sans serveur x
[02:41] <ouaip> Acridien ba j'aime bien la console sans serveur x pour la mainteance
[02:41] <TrasMontano> ouaip: c dangereux
[02:41] <psyklops> if I was using debian and came here for help, would you guys mind?
[02:41] <kapputu> the fact that it recognized by TI ACX 111 mbps wireless card and installed drivers for it was enough for me to stick to it
[02:41] <Acridien> ouaip: ouais j'avais pas pense dans ce cas ca pue ouais
[02:41] <ouaip> TrasMontano pourquoi?
[02:41] <pao> can I ask for a question? :-)
[02:42] <psyklops> what question would you like?
[02:42] <kapputu> pao, they have told me not to ask about asking
[02:42] <pao> How do I know if an installed deb is belonging to restricted or main?
[02:42] <TrasMontano> ouaip: une erreur de commande et tu crash tout
[02:42] <Acridien> ouaip: moi j'utilise surtout quand X veux plus dmarrer
[02:42] <Acridien> lol
[02:42] <TrasMontano> Acridien: lol
[02:42] <hypa7ia> i think we also need an ubuntu-laptop channel
[02:42] <TrasMontano> ^^
[02:42] <pao> hypa7ia, :-)
[02:42] <hypa7ia> purely out of self-interest :-)
[02:42] <Gmail> no we need #ubuntu-laptop
[02:42] <ouaip> bon je v revoir ca
[02:43] <Acridien> ouaip: dingue ton pseudo lol
[02:43] <Gmail> ouaip: #ubuntu-fr
[02:43] <ouaip> sinon pas d'idee pourquoi le server x ne se lance pas au debut apres l'install?
[02:43] <Acridien> ouaip: t'es tout suite catalogu lol
[02:43] <jdub> hypa7ia: better to keep all the discussion in the one place
[02:43] <Gmail> OKAY
[02:43] <ReporterX> ogra: i'm going to switch to ubuntu to try your tips :-)
[02:43] <ouaip> Acridien catalogue comme ?
[02:43] <Acridien> ouaip: comme un frouze
[02:43] <hypa7ia> jdub: fair enough :-)
[02:43] <Gmail> i speak english not sure about you!
[02:43] <Acridien> ouaip: "ouaip"
[02:44] <jdub> hypa7ia: (and pulling out laptop-related stuff is probably not a good way of separating raging channels)
[02:44] <ouaip> c quoi ca frouze? Acridien
[02:44] <ogra> jdub: my calendar didnt update the background automagically :(
[02:44] <Acridien> ouaip: un francais
[02:44] <ouaip> ah ok
[02:44] <pao> I suspect noone knows the answer for my question...
[02:44] <jdub> ogra: it won't do it as soon as the package is installed
[02:44] <hypa7ia> jdub: no?  seems to work somewhat well for gentoo
[02:44] <TrasMontano> ouaip: essai de parler english
[02:44] <ouaip> ok
[02:44] <jdub> pao: apt-cache show <package-name>
[02:44] <ogra> jdub: it is installed... i had to switch manually
[02:44] <ouaip> someone knows why server x doesn't run after install ?
[02:44] <Acridien> ouaip: ton x dmarre pas donc ?
[02:44] <ouaip> non
[02:44] <kapputu> ogra, Ubuntu adjusted the clock correctly for daylight saving time on my desktop
[02:44] <shaver> jdub: so, what about mono?
[02:44] <kapputu> but not on my laptop
[02:44] <jdub> pao: it will show the path of the package, which will include main or restricted
[02:44] <kapputu> why would that be ?
[02:44] <TrasMontano> ouaip: what's your card ??
[02:45] <jdub> shaver: nicely up-to-date in universe
[02:45] <ouaip> ati radeon 9000
[02:45] <shaver> jdub: hmm
[02:45] <shaver> jdub: I am finding that I can't install
[02:45] <ogra> jdub: monthly-calendar was selected....
[02:45] <shaver> jdub: no jit package
[02:45] <TrasMontano> ouaip: u've tried the wiki how-to??
[02:45] <ogra> kapputu: its supposed to
[02:45] <shaver>   mono-mcs: Depends: mono-jit (= 1.0.1-1) but it is not installable or
[02:45] <shaver>                      cli-virtual-machine but it is not installable
[02:45] <TrasMontano> ouaip: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:45] <jdub> ogra: as i said, it won't automatically switch as soon as the package is installed
[02:46] <jdub> shaver: platform?
[02:46] <Acridien> ouaip: TrasMontano vous jouez a doom3 linux?
[02:46] <shaver> jdub: amd64
[02:46] <jdub> shaver: hrm, that could have something to do with it
[02:46] <shaver> latest mono works on it, I thought
[02:46] <TrasMontano> Acridien: i'm looking for it at the moment ;-)
[02:46] <pao> jdub, thanks!
[02:46] <shaver> or is it not _that_ nicely up-to-date?
[02:46] <TrasMontano> Acridien: http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/doom/
[02:46] <Acridien> TrasMontano: ouais c'est ca
[02:47] <jdub> shaver: depends how recent amd64 support landed. hrm.
[02:47] <ouaip> Acridien avec ma radeon 9000 peus pas
[02:47] <ogra> jdub:  dpkg -l ubuntu-calendar-november
[02:47] <Acridien> TrasMontano: mais y te faut les data cds windaube
[02:47] <ogra> jdub: ii  ubuntu-calenda 4.11           Ubuntu calendar artwork for November
[02:47] <ouaip> i'm reading the wiki
[02:47] <kapputu> ogra, why are you installing the calendar ?
[02:47] <jdub> ogra: did you understand what i said?
[02:47] <chibifs> Calendar pwns. it's naked.
[02:47] <chibifs> :o
[02:47] <ogra> kapputu: because i love the idea
[02:47] <kapputu> idea of what ??
[02:47] <TrasMontano> Acridien: it may be an other solution for the demo....
[02:48] <ogra> jdub: probably not :(
[02:48] <jdub> ogra: again - your desktop background won't update automatically when the package is installed.
[02:48] <Acridien> TrasMontano: did you try it ?
[02:48] <ogra> jdub: i have to relogin ?
[02:48] <shaver> jdub: I hear it was in 1.1.1
[02:48] <hypa7ia> when does the package become available?
[02:48] <jdub> ogra: or re-open the background chooser
[02:48] <TrasMontano> Acridien: no i'm really looking at the same time, the same idea like you
[02:49] <jdub> shaver: we have 1.0.1
[02:49] <hypa7ia> heheh, 20 minutes ago, aparently
[02:49] <TrasMontano> Acridien: mais a a l'air relou :-(
[02:49] <jdub> shaver: 1.1 is development, i think
[02:49] <ogra> jdub: thats what i did, i though it was supposed to update itself, sorry for the noise
[02:49] <shaver> 1.0.2 is latest stable, 1.1.1 is latest development, yeah
[02:49] <shaver> (1.0.2 from sept21)
[02:49] <pao> shaver, which package are you talking about?
[02:49] <Qman> anyone has any solution to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=279176
[02:49] <kapputu> hmm I had to change it manually
[02:49] <jdub> shaver: it might hit hoary ;)
[02:49] <shaver> pao: mono for amd64
[02:49] <kapputu> ogra, what's art work all about ?
[02:49] <shaver> jdub: you told me to not install hoary!
[02:50] <jdub> shaver: i wouldn't recommend it yet, no ;)
[02:50] <ogra> kapputu: all the ubuntu themes and graphics
[02:50] <kapputu> oh there are more ubuntu themes ?
[02:50] <kapputu> I see only one
[02:50] <Acridien> See you good night all
[02:50] <chibifs> :O
[02:50] <kapputu> all the others are the gnome ones
[02:50] <pao> Ciao Acridien!
[02:50] <TrasMontano> Acridien: bye bye
[02:51] <Qman> apt-get refuses to do any upgrades or anything else unless galeon-common gets fully installed/configured :(
[02:51] <ogra> jdub: warty-update should be documented btw... there is no hint anywhere
[02:51] <jdub> ogra: known bug atm.
[02:51] <kapputu> Qman, try sudo apt-get remove galeon-common
[02:51] <ogra> jdub: k
[02:51] <Qman> kapputu: segfaults
[02:51] <ouaip> thnaks merci les gars , je v checker ma new ubuntu :)
[02:52] <jnc> what the french
[02:52] <kapputu> apt-get purge ?
[02:52] <Qman> kapputu: segfaults too :(
[02:52] <kapputu> sudo apt-get --purge
[02:52] <pao> does the order of entries in sources.list matter?
[02:52] <kapputu> try building it from the source, and instead of make install do a make checkinstall
[02:52] <kapputu> and then remove it
[02:53] <kapputu> using apt-get
[02:53] <Qman> kapputu: ok I'll try thanx
[02:53] <cardador> Qman: apt-get -f install
[02:54] <Qman> cardador: tried that too same outcome > segfaults
[02:54] <cardador> Qman: if it doesnt work, dpkg -i --forceoverwrite galeon-common
[02:54] <kapputu> where do I get the other Ubuntu themes ?
[02:55] <ogra> night all
[02:55] <cardador> bye all
[02:55] <hypa7ia> kapputu: gnome-look.org?
[02:55] <g3r4rd0> http://art.gnome.org
[02:56] <g3r4rd0> gnome-look.org is better :)
[02:57] <hypa7ia> hmmhmm
[02:57] <hypa7ia> i will have to take a look at art.gnome.org too
[02:57] <hypa7ia> though i really love the default theme :-)
[02:59] <UnIData> i download packages with synaptic in my computer, how i do to install this packages in another computer ?
[02:59] <Loptr> Hi people, I was in here half an hour ago with a firewire/cd-problem.. Namely I couldn't install Unbutu Linux since the probing for the CD failed.. I solved it through some dirty hwhacking.. It's not too pretty, but I managed to install it never the less. :)
[02:59] <kapputu> any recommendations for themes ?
[02:59] <Lathiat> UnIData: you could copy the files in /var/cache/apt/archives then just install it and it wont re-get them
[03:00] <Loptr> Have a look at http://discord.ath.cx/linux_install.gif to see how I solved it..
[03:00] <Lathiat> if your doing it all the time, setting up an apt proxy would probably be a good idea
[03:00] <Foxtrot> what are the names of the server that i can use to update my ubuntu distro
[03:00] <Foxtrot> ?
[03:02] <pao> do you know where I can get the "circle" gdm background?
[03:03] <UnIData> Lathiat: i do it but when re-get i don't see the new files !
[03:03] <hypa7ia> crazy hack there Loptr :-)
[03:03] <ryan> goddamn
[03:03] <Lathiat> UnIData: What do you mean?
[03:03] <Lathiat> oh
[03:03] <ryan> i have _got_ to figure out how hotplug works heh
[03:03] <Lathiat> you have to copy them again
[03:03] <Lathiat> if you get more
[03:03] <ryan> now it even tries to load the nvsound module after i took it out of /etc/modules
[03:03] <ryan> so i deleted it
[03:04] <ryan> and it still tried to load it but of course failed
[03:04] <sidney> so where's php5??? this is crazy
[03:04] <ryan> at least my sound is functional minus hardware mixing
[03:04] <Hikaru79> OK, this is something that's been bugging me for a very long time =/
[03:05] <kapputu> hi hiky
[03:05] <Hikaru79> If I run smbclient -L administrator -N then this is my output: http://www.pastebin.com/116093
[03:05] <Hikaru79> The question is, what's the correct line to add a CUPS printer that is located on administrator ?
[03:05] <ficusplanet> Does anyone know if we will see any cool metacity/composite magic in GNOME 2.10?
[03:05] <Hikaru79> lpadmin -p LaserJetPrinter -v smb://administrator/Printer -P /root/inkjet.ppd   <-- I've tried this line, but it doesn't work... what am I doing wrong?
[03:06] <nomasteryoda> anyone here interested in politics in the US?
[03:06] <Hikaru79> It is an HP Laserjet 4P printer... is /root/inkjet.ppd the incorrect driver to use? If so, which one is correct
[03:06] <housetier> #politics are
[03:06] <ficusplanet> nomasteryoda, yup
[03:06] <Hikaru79> ?
[03:06] <sidney> so how about those php5 packages???
[03:06] <nomasteryoda> if so... just letting people know
[03:06] <sidney> can anybody point me to where i can get them?
[03:06] <nomasteryoda> TheLinuxShow guys have a new site for politics
[03:06] <nomasteryoda> and a show on right now
[03:06] <sidney> or a date when they will be included in ubuntu?
[03:07] <nomasteryoda> GeekPolitique
[03:07] <Hikaru79> hikaru79@ubuntu:~ $ lpadmin -p LaserJetPrinter -v smb://administrator/Printer -P /root/inkjet.ppd
[03:07] <Hikaru79> lpadmin: add-printer (set model) failed: client-error-not-found
[03:08] <Todd_MA_1975> sidney you can try http://www.dotdeb.org/
[03:08] <sidney> will those packages work on ubuntu?
[03:09] <Todd_MA_1975> Ihaven't tried it personally - though I've heard people have had success.  YMMV
[03:14] <yann_> hi, I was wondering if you guys now a good howto about writing packages for ubuntu (or debian if it is the same?!) I am missing my favorite diff viewer... it is called meld (gtk2 based, very nice...)
[03:15] <negativ> Is there any problem with using something like Ghost or Drive Image to copy an installation of Ubuntu (currently hda) to a larger drive?  The new drive will become hda, but the partitions will be larger.  Anything I should know in advance?
[03:15] <jnc> not sure
[03:15] <Loptr> negativ: usually it works. i've done it once with a red hat 9-system.
[03:16] <yann_> negativ: you might want to check the gentoo forums, there have been quite a few discussion about howto moving an installation to a larger drive/partition
[03:16] <negativ> cool, I'll check it out
[03:17] <^Corgan^> hi people
[03:17] <^Corgan^> may i ask u a question?
[03:18] <yann_> just ask!
[03:18] <^Corgan^> I installed ubuntu 4.10 WW in my Samsung NX05 and everything runs perfect except the acpi
[03:19] <^Corgan^> i mean , theres no battery indicator, no shortcuts, and i dont know if the speedstep and the suspend function work
[03:19] <^Corgan^> anybody can help me?
[03:20] <yann_> what do you mean by no shortcuts and no battery indicator?? you mean the little icons in the upper right corner??
[03:20] <hypa7ia> ^Corgan^: i'm having similar troubles myself.  i'm gonna poke around a bit on my machine, i'll tell you if i find anything :-)
[03:20] <^Corgan^> (another question this one a lil` stupid, i installed the ubuntu , but there was no choice to set a root account , so now i dunno how to put root mode xD)
[03:21] <^Corgan^> thx hypa7ia
[03:21] <yann_> I am just done with my installation on powerbook, I have a battery indicator...
[03:21] <eklipse> anyone know of other APT repositories I could use?
[03:21] <hypa7ia> i have one too, but it doesn't get that the battery is connected :-)
[03:21] <^Corgan^> i have the battery indicator, but it doesnt work
[03:21] <alThor>  hi
[03:22] <alThor> ah jeese, brb
[03:22] <yann_> ^Corgan^: then your hardware is maybe not supported... did you ask google yet?
[03:22] <UnIData> quit
[03:22] <^Corgan^> yes
[03:22] <yann_> what did it say?
[03:22] <^Corgan^> i tried to find an acpi for linux for my laptop , but theres not :(
[03:23] <hypa7ia> maybe try apm?
[03:23] <^Corgan^> hey , do u know what is the default root password in the ubuntu?
[03:23] <hypa7ia> heheh
[03:23] <yann_> your user password
[03:23] <hypa7ia> there isn;t one
[03:23] <yann_> ??
[03:23] <^Corgan^> im a lil bit lost XD
[03:23] <UnIData> type sudo
[03:23] <yann_> really? will it work with just any password
[03:24] <UnIData> then type your passwd
[03:24] <UnIData> then type the password root and ready !
[03:24] <^Corgan^> thx unidata
[03:24] <hypa7ia> yann_: it's not set by default (but not empty) but you can set it with sudo passwd
[03:24] <hypa7ia> then su
[03:25] <UnIData> yes then su
[03:25] <yann_> thx
[03:26] <pao> Ciao a tutti! (Bye all!)
[03:26] <hypa7ia> laters pao!
[03:27] <duarte> hi all!
[03:28] <youpi> re
[03:28] <youpi> i don't success to have the pass root, how i can do?
[03:28] <youpi> sudo doesn't run at all
[03:28] <Pizbit> What do you mean it doesn't run at all?
[03:29] <duarte> where i can setup my scanner ? I don't find any menu option to setup scanners...
[03:29] <moyote> with sudo you use your user password.
[03:29] <youpi> u told me to use # su passwd root
[03:30] <youpi> but doesn't run
[03:30] <youpi> i can't do anythin to donfig, even reboot command
[03:30] <Pizbit> sudo passwd root
[03:30] <youpi> doesn't run!!!
[03:30] <Pizbit> What do you mean it doesn't run?
[03:30] <youpi> it asks me the password
[03:30] <youpi> :))
[03:30] <Pizbit> Right, your sudo password which is your normal password
[03:30] <Pizbit> Then you have to give the new root password
[03:30] <youpi> tell me an exemple
[03:31] <mdz> youpi: this is answered in the FAQ
[03:31] <mdz> youpi: which is linked from the channel topic
[03:31] <youpi> no it doesn't run
[03:31] <moyote> if I do sudo apt-get update, it then asks for my user password. After giving the password, the command is carried out.
[03:31] <TrasMontano> youpi: viens sur #ubuntu-fr
[03:32] <Pizbit> mdz: Just how many people have downloaded Ubuntu from the mirrors canonical runs? I'm curious since there's a fair number of people comming in here and on the local lug list trying it out
[03:33] <mdz> Pizbit: I don't have real numbers, and the person who does is asleep.  "many" would be fairly accurate :-)
[03:33] <Pizbit> Hahaha
[03:34] <Pizbit> mdz: Grow some more fingers and toes and count again?:)
[03:34] <negativ> what do you mean by canonical runs?
[03:34] <ryan> few things are as surprising as coming to one's computer to find a cow bouncing around the screen.
[03:34] <mdz> negativ: Canonical Limited is the company which sponsors Ubuntu
[03:34] <negativ> ah
[03:35] <Pizbit> Run where my dad was born I believe.
[03:36] <kapputu> hi Pizbit
[03:36] <Pizbit> Mornin
[03:36] <kapputu> Pizbit, are you from U.K ?
[03:37] <Pizbit> Nah, my dad is though
[03:37] <kapputu> oh Canonical is in U.K ?
[03:37] <Pizbit> I was born, and live in, the best city in the world.
[03:37] <kapputu> I thought ubuntu had its base in SA
[03:37] <negativ> obviously not cleveland, OH
[03:38] <hypa7ia> it does, but i think Canonical may be incorporated in the UK
[03:38] <kapputu> Pizbit, Buffalo, NY ?
[03:38] <Pizbit> kapputu: Hahaha, hell no
[03:38] <Pizbit> Wellington, New Zealand
[03:38] <iminj> Parent co. (canonical) in SA .... ubuntu in the UK it seems
[03:38] <kapputu> New Zealand, where is that ?
[03:38] <kapputu> ;)
[03:38] <yann_> I am having a little problem with python, I build a program with make (runs fine), start it with ./meld (runs fine) copy it to /usr/bin/meld, run meld get an import error?! anyone?
[03:39] <ficusplanet> yann_, How did you copy meld to /usr/bin?  With make install?
[03:40] <yann_> ficusplanet: first with make prefix=/usr install (like the install file told me), then with just cp to see what happens, neither worked though
[03:43] <ficusplanet> yann_, Wait, why are you installing meld that way?  It's in universe.
[03:43] <yann_> hmmm, sorry for the maybe dumb question but what is universe?
[03:43] <yann_> apt-cache search did not show meld
[03:43] <Pizbit> yann_: Look in /etc/apt/sources.list and read:)
[03:43] <ficusplanet> It is the repository that contains most of the ubuntu packages.  They are unsupported however
[03:44] <ficusplanet> If you go to Synaptic and go to Settings>>Repositories, you can just uncomment the universe lines.
[03:44] <ficusplanet> You'll get access to thousands of extra programs.  You can also add multiverse.
[03:45] <yann_> ok, got it ;-) I am new to debian (comming from gentoo)
[03:45] <yann_> but gentoo is just taking to long for a notebook...
[03:45] <nevyn> what's the difference between the multiverse and universe?
[03:45] <hypa7ia> oooh, ficusplanet, what is multiverse :-)
[03:45] <ficusplanet> hypa7ia, A couple extra non-free things, I believe.
[03:45] <ficusplanet> hypa7ia, flash and such
[03:46] <hypa7ia> gotcha ficusplanet
[03:46] <alThor> hello. I am pretty new to Linux (especially this distro). I am having trouble trying to figure out how to properly install drivers for my 9800xt
[03:47] <hypa7ia> what;s a 9800xt alThor?
[03:47] <hypa7ia> :-)
[03:47] <nevyn> ATI radieon one would imagine..
[03:47] <alThor> heh
[03:47] <tolstoy> anyone here running xinerama?
[03:47] <nevyn> bleh sp sucks.
[03:47] <tim-tx> re: wireless networking -- can anyone confirm (or speculate on, or deny :)) that Ubuntu supports any particular USB wireless dongles? I have a Netgear which just-about-works with Mepis (I suspect the remaining not-working part is cockpit trouble).
[03:47] <alThor> apparently ATI and Linux = bad
[03:48] <nevyn> alThor: no nvidia and linux are bad.
[03:48] <tim-tx> MA111 I think is the model number of my Netgear USB 802.11 dongle.
[03:48] <nevyn> alThor: with that card you'll need ati's binary drivers tho.
[03:48] <ryan> yay i love ubuntu
[03:48] <tolstoy> I have xinerama set up.
[03:48] <tolstoy> It works.
[03:48] <jason_> ATi is working hard to improve support
[03:48] <jason_> and Nvidia has great support for linux
[03:48] <Pizbit> nevyn: Nvidia have a much better track record with linux and their drivers than ATI
[03:48] <tolstoy> I have a gnome-panel, with the window switcher on it.
[03:49] <tolstoy> If I move a window from one monitor to the other, the app-thing disappears.
[03:49] <yann_> very nice, now meld is working again for me!! thx again
[03:49] <nevyn> Pizbit: ati have a better record with actual free drivers (with the noted exception of r300 based cards
[03:49] <tolstoy> If I have to window-switchers, one on each monitor, the app moves to the other switcher.
[03:49] <tolstoy> Is this correct?  It seems VERY wrong.
[03:49] <jason_> but they are not unified
[03:49] <nevyn> Pizbit: no X developers have nvidia cards.
[03:49] <alThor> I have read that the ATI drivers from ATI are bad
[03:50] <nevyn> alThor: that's not that suprising. they're vendor drives.
[03:50] <jason_> nevyn why?
[03:50] <alThor> but I guess there aren't any better ones out there...?
[03:50] <Pizbit> nevyn: Are you referring to the official ATI drivers or the Xfree ones?
[03:50] <nevyn> Pizbit: both.
[03:50] <alThor> I just want ones that work
[03:50] <nevyn> Pizbit: at least the drivers in X.org support 3d with everything up to r200?250? based cards
[03:50] <tolstoy> for instance, it's quite possible that if I have browser's on the right monitor on any virtual screen, i'll NEVER seem them in the switcher, if the swither is on the left monitor.
[03:51] <nevyn> you can't get 3d for nvidia cards with a TNT2 with free drivers.
[03:51] <Pizbit> nevyn: You're the first I've come across to say anything in favour of the official ATI drivers and say negative things against the NVIDIA ones, it's always been ATI = hours or days to get working and NVIDIA = minutes
[03:51] <alThor> damnit
[03:51] <nevyn> I didn't say anything in favor of the official drivers.
[03:51] <jnc> r200 card is the best supported 3d open source driver card for linux, period.
[03:52] <alThor> well can anyone recommend what would be best to do?
[03:52] <jnc> the radeon 8500 and 9100 are equivillent
[03:52] <nevyn> I don't consider binary drivers an option for my systems.
[03:52] <jnc> do not get the 9000 pro or the 9200
[03:52] <jason_> lol
[03:52] <jason_> purist
[03:52] <jason_> why not?
[03:52] <nevyn> I said.. nvidia are less supportive of free software than ATI
[03:52] <Pizbit> What's that got to do with anything?
[03:52] <kapputu> Pizbit, do you follow crickt ?
[03:53] <jason_> maybe they will both opensource their drivers someday
[03:53] <Pizbit> kapputu: Nope
[03:53] <nevyn> jason_: not likely.
[03:53] <kapputu> is it not popular in NZ ?
[03:53] <jason_> why not use binary drivers?
[03:53] <nevyn> jason_: why not use windows XP?
[03:53] <Pizbit> kapputu: It's popular, I just don't follow sport
[03:53] <jnc> ;)
[03:53] <jnc> binary only drivers = crashy
[03:53] <jnc> you might wax theorhetical on me about it, but i've used them
[03:53] <jnc> they crash. end of line.
[03:54] <nevyn> jason_: because I spent a day about a week ago tracking down a problem on a linux box that turned out to be a binary adaptec sata "raid" driver
[03:54] <shaver> man
[03:54] <yann_> is there a way of using Xorg-X11 instead of XFree86?
[03:54] <Pizbit> Eh, this is going the flam way, sod this discussion!
[03:54] <Pizbit> er, flame
[03:54] <jason_> yann_ soon
[03:54] <jason_> soon
[03:54] <jason_> it will be in Hoary final for sure
[03:54] <jnc> yann_: if you find out, um, you want XOrg-x11 6.8.0 or newer
[03:54] <jnc> the improvements are amazing
[03:54] <jason_> indeed
[03:55] <yann_> yeah I know..
[03:55] <jnc> gdm works nicer, is one visible improvement
[03:55] <yann_> I got it up and running on my gentoo box
[03:55] <jnc> there are some downsides in stability but that is mostly due to the changes in the input layer
[03:55] <jason_> xcomposites
[03:55] <yann_> with xfce4.2
[03:55] <jnc> you can get around that by using the new evdev layer
[03:55] <jnc> xcomposites are kind of buggy
[03:55] <jason_> with xcompmgr
[03:55] <jnc> i do run the xcompmgr, but i turn off shadows and trans
[03:56] <jnc> occasionally it gets confused by openbox3 WM
[03:56] <jnc> and i end up with incorrect visuals
[03:56] <yann_> well it works pretty good for me. some rendering errors here and there, but overall it just looks nice with the windows having shadows!!
[03:56] <jnc> i don't know who is at fault there, but it's not like it crashes or affects usability greatly
[03:56] <jnc> yeah
[03:57] <jnc> changed the way i saw my computer screen
[03:57] <jnc> slowed it down too much though
[03:57] <jnc> i'm also doing audio rendering and production on this box
[03:57] <jnc> i can't have some pretty candy sucking up 27% cpu resources
[03:57] <yann_> really? I have a nvidia card and hardware acceleration turned on!!
[03:57] <yann_> so no difference
[03:57] <jnc> ah
[03:57] <jnc> i didn't know that made a difference
[03:58] <jnc> i've got a r250 ATI card ( radeon pro 9000 )
[03:58] <jnc> piece of junk ;)
[03:58] <jnc> i wish i had a 9100 or an 8500
[03:58] <yann_> well I do not now about ATI cards but nvidia works really nice
[03:59] <hypa7ia> i've got a radeon mobility 9700
[03:59] <hypa7ia> worked well with fedora and xorg 6.7
[03:59] <yann_> right now your system has to "drop the shadows" but with the hardware accelaration your ATI/Nvidia does that
[03:59] <hypa7ia> have yet to install the binary drivers tho
[04:00] <yann_> so that is really fast! that is the same way MacOS X does it
[04:01] <nevyn> yann_: actually macosX does it in software on cards withoutn textureshaders.
[04:01] <nevyn> and it's still feels fast
[04:02] <nevyn> of course there are a number of reasons for this.
[04:02] <yann_> really? did not now that
[04:02] <shaver> you don't need pixel shaders to HW-accelerate dropshadows
[04:02] <nevyn> a important one is that macos can trigger redraws on vsync
[04:03] <nevyn> so when you drag a window it never "tears" the way X does.
[04:03] <yann_> well with xorg-x11 that is gone too
[04:03] <yann_> they use some double bufferd thingy (no clue how it works, I am just no grafix guy)
[04:04] <nevyn> that's what macos does.
[04:04] <yann_> ok, got to go to sleep now, it is 4 o'clock in the morning and I am supposed to be at college at about 9 o'clock.... I guess that wont work ;-)
[04:04] <nevyn> double buffer and flip on vsync.
[04:04] <jdub> i don't believe xorg does redraw-on-vsync yet
[04:05] <yann_> ok, night guys
[04:05] <jdub> might have missed it, but i'm reasonably sure it doesn't so far
[04:05] <nevyn> I didn't think it did either ..
[04:05] <tseng> jdub: mxpxpod sent me a modded tomboy pkg to use the new jimmac icon
[04:05] <jdub> tseng: how did he change it?
[04:06] <tseng> jdub: in the source, not sure
[04:06] <jdub> tseng: bong :-)
[04:06] <jdub> tseng: wait for upstream :-)
[04:06] <tseng> ya
[04:06] <tseng> just playing
[04:07] <tseng> the killer bit will still be e-d-s support
[04:07] <jdub> i'd love to see networked tomboy wikis ;)
[04:07] <jdub> p2p and client/server
[04:07] <tseng> p2p?
[04:08] <tseng> i envision it a little different
[04:08] <tseng> php or what have you wiki on the server
[04:08] <tseng> and tomboy has an actions -> publish
[04:08] <jdub> yeah, that'd be client/server
[04:08] <jason_> why isn't mythtv in any of the repositories?
[04:08] <tseng> why p2p
[04:08] <jdub> p2p would let you share tomboy wiki bits without the server
[04:08] <[vE] FatMan> hey guys, can anyone help me out
[04:08] <[vE] FatMan> im new to linux
[04:08] <jdub> tseng: have you ever used subethaedit?
[04:09] <[vE] FatMan> let alone ubunut
[04:09] <[vE] FatMan> ubuntu*
[04:09] <tseng> jdub: nosir
[04:09] <jdub> tseng: google it ;)
[04:09] <jay__> someone mind helping me, i am running ubuntu on ppc 17in
[04:09] <jay__> oops
[04:09] <jdub> tseng: p2p tomboy would be like a high granularity (per-page) subethaedit
[04:09] <jay__> powerbook 17in
[04:09] <jay__> freezes in about 5min after login
[04:10] <Dekkard> hmmm
[04:10] <jason_> I will if you lend me that powerbook for a few days ;)
[04:10] <jdub> jason_: looks like it's in multiverse
[04:10] <jason_> j/k
[04:10] <[vE] FatMan> hey, can someone help me with sata support with ubuntu?
[04:10] <[vE] FatMan> ....
[04:10] <tseng> jdub: bong
[04:10] <jason_> whats the url for multiverse?
[04:10] <jason_> I have SATA
[04:10] <jdub> tseng: subethaedit is *awesome*
[04:10] <jay__> freezes in about 5min after login
[04:10] <tseng> jdub: going that route, it could even tie in with planner
[04:10] <jdub> jason_: same as the rest
[04:10] <tseng> jdub: collaborative todo + scheduling
[04:10] <jdub> tseng: mmm :)
[04:10] <jason_> k
[04:10] <[vE] FatMan> oh wow!
[04:11] <[vE] FatMan> it is working
[04:11] <[vE] FatMan> omg!!
[04:11] <[vE] FatMan> hahaha
[04:11] <jay__> anyone
[04:11] <[vE] FatMan> i love you guys
[04:11] <tseng> jdub: with an e-d-s backend ?
[04:11] <tseng> :)
[04:11] <[vE] FatMan> even though you did nothing
[04:11] <[vE] FatMan> i love you
[04:11] <[vE] FatMan> :-*
[04:11] <[vE] FatMan> mwah! to everyone
[04:11] <jnc> [vE] FatMan: interesting
[04:11] <[vE] FatMan> thanks!
[04:11] <jnc> i still cannot get my optical SATA Drive to work
[04:11] <jnc> Plextor 712-SA
[04:11] <Dekkard> jay__ possibly because it hasmt been ported yet
[04:11] <jnc> doesn't do a darn thing with *nix
[04:12] <jay__> Dekkhard there is a ppc version
[04:12] <JoeB> hello folks.. does ubuntu have facilities similar to FC2 to keep it updated? (like yum -y update)
[04:12] <jay__> can ubuntu run on newer hardware for ppc
[04:12] <bratsche> Does spam filtering work for anyone here using Evolution 2.0 on Ubuntu?
[04:12] <Dekkard> JoeB its sudo apt-get update
[04:12] <jdub> JoeB: run synaptic (gui), or use aptitude or apt-get (cli)
[04:13] <bratsche> I installed spamassassin and spamd is running.
[04:13] <Dekkard> than sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:13] <jay__> my 17in powerbook freezes
[04:13] <bratsche> And I turned on the spam filtering in the Evolution mail setup.
[04:13] <JoeB> thank you!
[04:13] <bratsche> But it's not filtering spam.
[04:13] <tseng> bratsche: that uses spamassassin
[04:13] <tseng> bratsche: which isnt in warty/main
[04:13] <jdub> bratsche: there have been a number of reports of this on the list, and solutions -> i htink you have to make it listen or something in /etc/default/spamassassin
[04:13] <bratsche> I installed it from universe.
[04:14] <Dekkard> jay__ from what ive gathered in here , ubuntu isnt quite ready for primetime on newer ibook/powerbooks
[04:14] <bratsche> jdub: Someone told me to add --local to the flags in /etc/default/spamassassin - I did this and restarted spamd, but that didn't work. :/
[04:14] <jay__> i have the 17in 1ghz
[04:14] <jay__> not that new
[04:14] <bob2> Dekkard: it works great on new ibooks
[04:14] <bob2> except for wireless, which is broadcom's fault
[04:14] <Dekkard> really?
[04:14] <bratsche> jdub: Does it work for you?
[04:15] <jay__> bob2: any clue why mine freezes up
[04:15] <bob2> Dekkard: sleep will even hopefully work in the next couple of weeks
[04:15] <[vE] FatMan> hey guys, does setting up ubuntu on a sata drive take a long time?
[04:15] <bob2> [vE] FatMan: no longer than any other type of disk
[04:15] <jnc> is water wet?
[04:15] <bob2> jay__: nvidia?
[04:15] <jay__> yes
[04:15] <jnc> how about ubuntu water, is that wet?
[04:15] <[vE] FatMan> mine seems to be stuck on scanning disks at 41%
[04:16] <bob2> jay__: file a bug, I guess...
[04:16] <jnc> [vE] FatMan: sata takes about 14 minutes to time out
[04:16] <bob2> [vE] FatMan: did you check the iso before starting the install?
[04:16] <jnc> just be patient
[04:16] <jnc> you can fix that slowness later
[04:16] <[vE] FatMan> ok
[04:16] <jnc> i.e. if a channel is unused it freaks out and takes forever to time out
[04:16] <jay__> i just blew out my osx partition for nothing :(
[04:16] <youpi> hi how to read on dv/fd0?
[04:16] <youpi> hi how to read on /dev/fd0?
[04:16] <bob2> jay__: file a bug
[04:17] <jnc> youpi: erm... it's the floppy device
[04:17] <[vE] FatMan> so, will this sata hd work as fast in ubuntu as it does in windows?
[04:17] <[vE] FatMan> or will it be slow as hell
[04:17] <jnc> i don't think there's a man page for it
[04:17] <jay__> ok i can do that but what do i do in the meantime
[04:17] <jnc> [vE] FatMan: hell is where the bad people go
[04:17] <[vE] FatMan> lol
[04:17] <youpi> jnc i must do ls /floppy instead?
[04:17] <jnc> i don't know
[04:17] <jay__> i am using ubuntu on i386 but i would rather be on apple hardware
[04:17] <jnc> i don't have ubuntu anywhere yet
[04:17] <bob2> Dekkard: please don't /msg people...just ask in here
[04:18] <jay__> dunno why just personal perference
[04:18] <Dekkard> k bob
[04:18] <bob2> youpi: "mount /floppy"
[04:18] <Dekkard> which ibooks?
[04:18] <bob2> Dekkard: ubuntu on my ibook g4 is great, except for the lack of wireless and sleep
[04:18] <bob2> sleep should be fixed very soon
[04:18] <Dekkard> how about wireless?
[04:18] <[vE] FatMan> so, jnc, your saying this thing being stuck on 41% on "starting the partioner" will eventually keep going?
[04:18] <youpi> how to read on /dev/fd0? ls /dev/fd0 does nothing ( i mount it i can write on it but i cannot read it)
[04:18] <[vE] FatMan> it just takes a really long time..
[04:19] <bob2> bratsche: airport extreme will probably not work until broadcom get their heads out of their arses
[04:19] <bob2> youpi: yes, you have to mount it.  mount /floppy.
[04:19] <jay__> where do i file the bug
[04:19] <nevyn> jdub: wd
[04:19] <Dekkard> personally.. so far anyway, im pretty happy with my first week of osX
[04:19] <bob2> jay__: /topic
[04:19] <youpi> bob2 no i have, I DID  it, and i cannopt read it because i can write on it
[04:20] <[vE] FatMan> this install is still stuck at "scanning disks, 41%"
[04:20] <bob2> youpi: no, those two clauses are not related.  if you want to read and write files on it, do not touch /dev/fd0
[04:20] <jay__> in the wiki
[04:20] <Dekkard> im going to try some fink stuff i think
[04:20] <kapputu> jdub is jeff waugh ?
[04:20] <kapputu> hmm ok
[04:20] <youpi> i must do cp /floppy instead on /dev/fd0?
[04:20] <bob2> kapputu: the one and only
[04:20] <bob2> youpi: what are you trying to do?
[04:20] <kapputu> related to Steve Waugh by any chance ?
[04:20] <youpi> bob2 save the log erro on floppy
[04:20] <Dekkard> or ben waugh?
[04:21] <kapputu> or Mark Waugh
[04:21] <youpi> bob2 save the log error on floppy and read it after on linux and windows
[04:22] <hypa7ia> nite all
[04:22] <bob2> youpi: mount /floppy ; cp /var/log/whatever /floppy
[04:22] <[vE] FatMan> jnc: how long does this take? it has been on "scanning disks" at 41% for like 10 minutes now
[04:23] <mdz> [vE] FatMan: it takes about 5 seconds typically
[04:23] <jay__> NO FAIR!!!
[04:23] <jay__> :(
[04:23] <[vE] FatMan> man
[04:23] <[vE] FatMan> mdz: then what is wrong?
[04:23] <youpi> ok bob2
[04:23] <mdz> [vE] FatMan: not enough information to say
[04:23] <mdz> [vE] FatMan: you might try booting with "noapic", and if that doesn't work, "pci=noacpi", and see if that makes a difference
[04:24] <[vE] FatMan> mdz: well, im installing ubuntu onto a maxtor 80gb sata hd on an asus p4s800d mobo
[04:24] <[vE] FatMan> mdz: aight, lemme give it a shot
[04:24] <mdz> [vE] FatMan: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1334
[04:25] <mdz> [vE] FatMan: that sounds very much like your problem; that's an SiS chipset, right?
[04:25] <jnc> [vE] FatMan: it took about 16 minutes
[04:25] <jay__> anyone known ones for my problem
[04:25] <[vE] FatMan> yeah
[04:25] <[vE] FatMan> sis 180
[04:25] <[vE] FatMan> chipset
[04:26] <kapputu> absolutely weird
[04:26] <kapputu> Openoffice was not starting yesterday
[04:27] <kapputu> and I haven't restarted my machine
[04:27] <kapputu> and now it's working perfectly
[04:28] <kapputu> hi poyayan
[04:28] <poyayan> yo how's it going kapputu?
[04:28] <kapputu> good
[04:28] <kapputu> how was ur day
[04:29] <poyayan> good but tomorrow and wednesday is gonna stink
[04:29] <adoyretsamon> as in politics
[04:29] <adoyretsamon> stink
[04:30] <shaver> I need to learn how to make debian packages
[04:30] <shaver> god
[04:30] <shaver> this feels like 1994 all over again
[04:30] <poyayan> lol
[04:30] <adoyretsamon> lol
[04:31] <tolstoy> folks, what's the preferred way to set the default kernel?  Just installed the smp kernel, but it boot up!
[04:31] <jay__> ugh froze again
[04:31] <jay__> :(
[04:32] <jay__> time to go to yellowdog
[04:32] <jay__> :(
[04:32] <nomasteryoda> ouch
[04:32] <youpi> is there only 1 source for source.list ?
[04:32] <binary_10> yellowdog?
[04:32] <tolstoy> looks like you have to edit menu.lst, I guess, to change the "default"
[04:33] <jay__> binary_10: linux for ppc
[04:33] <poyayan> so is ubuntu on the ppc crashing for you jay?
[04:33] <binary_10> ooh
[04:33] <binary_10> amost sounds racist :X
[04:33] <jay__> poy: it locks up
[04:33] <poyayan> during boot up or randomly?
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> check cables
[04:34] <jay__> after about 5 min of use i have to hardboot it
[04:34] <poyayan> hmm that's not cool
[04:34] <jay__> very uncool
[04:35] <jay__> any ppc users out here
[04:36] <elipse|wantsanA> i'm  trying to compile something in ubuntu
[04:36] <elipse|wantsanA> but i dont know where the C header files for my kernel are
[04:36] <elipse|wantsanA> i looked in /usr/src
[04:37] <jay__> anyone?
[04:37] <poyayan> shamefully I am not
[04:37] <poyayan> and my roommate hasn't tried ubuntu on his ibook yet
[04:38] <poyayan> he has used yellowdog before
[04:38] <elipse|wantsanA> :'(
[04:38] <poyayan> but it tends to be too slow and he avoids it unless he's using the Gimp
[04:40] <jay__> woohoo ppc ubuntu definately not ready
[04:40] <eladio> help.. can't figure out wireless connection installation in ubuntu... need guidance
[04:41] <jay__> EXT3-fs error (device hda3) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted
[04:41] <shaver> that sounds like a hardware problem
[04:42] <jdub> jay__: there's quite a few people using it on ppc already...
[04:42] <jdub> jay__: i'm using it on an old ibook toilet seat
[04:42] <jay__> jdub: any clue how to fix the lockups
[04:42] <shaver> jdub: where would I look for 1.1.whatever packages in the devel world?
[04:42] <eladio> i'm using linksys wpc11 version 3 on ibm thinkpad t23
[04:42] <jdub> jay__: nup
[04:42] <jdub> shaver: hrm?
[04:42] <jdub> shaver: oh, mono?
[04:42] <shaver> sorry
[04:42] <shaver> yeah
[04:42] <shaver> my context is spread across like 5 channels
[04:43] <jdub> don't think anyone's packaged them yet
[04:43] <shaver> ah, OK
[04:43] <shaver> I thought you said they were in hoary
[04:43] <shaver> but maybe that was optimistic-prediction
[04:43] <jdub> they might be in hoary soon :)
[04:43] <shaver> and not current-description
[04:43] <shaver> 1.1.2 tomorrow
[04:43] <kapputu> hmm can I print to a remote printer in linux ?
[04:43] <shaver> I'll build from CVS, make sure they work
[04:43] <shaver> I know _zero_ about debian packaging
[04:43] <shaver> so I don't know if I can help much there
[04:43] <nevyn> kapputu: sure.
[04:44] <kapputu> I need to print to a printer in school
[04:44] <kapputu> how do I do that ?
[04:44] <nevyn> kapputu: what nos does school run?
[04:44] <jdub> shaver: that's good feedback to start though :)
[04:44] <kapputu> my guess is solaris
[04:44] <kapputu> would it help if I connected to school through vpn ?
[04:45] <nevyn> maybe.
[04:45] <nevyn> it's a unix printer?
[04:45] <kapputu> yeah
[04:45] <nevyn> copy the postscript to your shell and print it there?
[04:46] <kapputu> hmm could do that
[04:46] <nomasteryoda> if it has an IP address...which you can see from home you should be able to do it
[04:46] <kapputu> but looking for a better way if there is one
[04:46] <nomasteryoda> ipp
[04:46] <nevyn> jdub: ubuntu uses cups ?
[04:46] <shaver> root      2094  0.0  0.0  2524  432 pts/0    D+   22:45   0:00 rmmod sbp2
[04:46] <shaver> sigh.
[04:47] <jdub> nevyn: yeah
[04:47] <nevyn> kapputu: is there an install printer thingy that'll let you install a remote lpd printer?
[04:48] <jdub> computer > system configuration > printing
[04:48] <nevyn> jdub: thanks ;)
[04:49] <kapputu> how do I know what the host is ?
[04:50] <kapputu> or how do I find out ?
[04:50] <nevyn> kapputu: on the remote unix host read /etc/printcap ?
[04:51] <jay__> how do i stop ubuntu from booting into x
[04:51] <jay__> its all nice and pretty for 3 min
[04:51] <jay__> :(
[04:52] <jay__> then kaput
[04:52] <kapputu> jay__, what ?
[04:52] <kapputu> nevyn, it has a printers.conf, no printcap
[04:52] <jay__> i mean dead, die, kaput
[04:52] <nevyn> jay__: grep default /etc/inittab
[04:52] <kapputu> why should I die
[04:52] <kapputu> ?
[04:52] <jay__> its set to 2 nevyn
[04:52] <jay__> ugh never mind kaputu
[04:52] <kapputu> am sorry
[04:53] <erwa> jay__; try "update-rc.d gdm remove"
[04:53] <nevyn> jay__: mv /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm /etc/rc2.d/K99gdm
[04:53] <nevyn> that works too.
[04:53] <nevyn> I just screw with the files.
[04:54] <kapputu> nevyn, it probably uses BSD
[04:54] <nevyn> printers.conf??? isn't that a cups thing?
[04:55] <kapputu> no clue
[04:55] <nevyn> printers.conf is a cups thing. so the remote system is using cups so you add a remote cups printer with the details of the path to that machine.
[04:55] <kapputu> I have never setup printers before
[04:55] <nevyn> hangon..
[04:55] <nevyn> you logged in to the remote system right. not your machine. the school one.
[04:56] <kapputu> yeah
[04:56] <kapputu> i can see all the printers I print to
[04:56] <kapputu>  cathy:\
[04:56] <kapputu>         :bsdaddr=jeeves,cathy:
[04:56] <kapputu> cathy is the name of one of the printers
[04:57] <tolstoy> I just tried to boot the SMP kernel for warty, got several errors: ich2rom couldn't be loaded.
[04:57] <tolstoy> A bunch of device-mapper : dm-linear : device lookup failure.
[04:57] <tolstoy> What's that mean?
[04:58] <tolstoy> i686-smp kernel, 2.6.7, I think.
[04:58] <tolstoy> And then X wouldn't start, and no keyboard.
[04:59] <tolstoy> Does this mean no SMP kernel for warty?
[04:59] <tolstoy> I also turned off hyperthreading just to see: no difference.
[05:02] <tolstoy> alas! And no one here.  Damn. ;)
[05:02] <nevyn> hrm
[05:03] <kapputu> nevyn any ideas ?
[05:04] <nevyn> kapputu: it strikes me as pretty straightforward.
[05:05] <nevyn> kapputu: ipp://schoolunixbox/cathy/
[05:09] <tolstoy> wow. smp on hyperthreading p4: major messed up kernel!
[05:09] <Se7h> my rhythmbox wont play mp3
[05:10] <Se7h> o.0
[05:10] <draconian> why won't Savage work in Ubuntu?
[05:10] <tolstoy> Se7h, you might try looking at the wiki: some info about how to fix that there.
[05:10] <imnes> Any tried RealPlayer 10 for Linux?
[05:10] <imnes> Is it avaialble in the ubuntu packages?
[05:11] <thecyclops> What would you all say is the most user friendly Linux OS.....somthing you would feel comfortable giving to a parent to use?
[05:11] <thecyclops> Im building a box for my family
[05:11] <elipse|wantsanA> i dont know
[05:11] <elipse|wantsanA> ubuntu is not it
[05:11] <pretz> Anyone have any luck getting Belkin 6050 usb wireless working with ubuntu?
[05:11] <imnes> Not free, but linspire is good.
[05:13] <thecyclops> what is linspire based off of....Red Hat, or debian?
[05:13] <Sensebend> debian
[05:13] <nevyn> debian but we don't like to admit it ;)
[05:13] <Sensebend> I believe
[05:14] <pretz> So is anyone here using any wireless with Ubuntu?
[05:14] <thecyclops> ha
[05:14] <nevyn> pretz: there's stuff in the faq on wireless...
[05:14] <eladio> pretz.. i'm trying.. i can't get the wlan0 module to show up when i run iwconfig wlan0.
[05:14] <eladio> pretz.. do you know how to make it find wlan0
[05:15] <pretz> nevyn, I looked in the faq but saw little.
[05:15] <pretz> eladio: i have the same problem. nothing in wlan0
[05:15] <eladio> when i do iwconfig wlan0 i get wlan0 no such device.
[05:15] <dasenjo> Hi .. how are you ?
[05:16] <dasenjo> Im confused with the wikis ..
[05:16] <pretz> eladio, yup! It is not there. I fear there is a lot of work needed, like downloading a driver, and building it into the kernel.
[05:16] <eladio> the documentaion is all scattered and I can't figure out how to work this..
[05:16] <eladio> pretz.. what files have you modified in trying to get wireless to work?
[05:17] <dasenjo> Do I have to resister in ubuntulinux/wiki and in wiki.ubuntu.com  to be a Mantainer Candidate ?
[05:17] <strestout1_> pretz: im using wireless
[05:17] <imnes> I'm having a weird problem in ubuntu, keyboard dies.  On a toshiba laptop, I think it's a 2.6 kernel issue, anyone know where I should report the bug?
[05:18] <imnes> I've tried disabling ACPI / APM and it still happens so I'm not sure what else to try to resolve it.
[05:18] <pretz> I spent several days on-and-off fooling around with it but on Mandrake, knoppix, fedora, and a bit on suse. I looked only briefly at ubuntu but since it is the most recent release and since I like it a lot in other areas I was tempted to work on wireless on ubuntu.
[05:19] <shaver> man
[05:19] <shaver> I wish there were an alternatives thing for gcc
[05:19] <strestout1_> pretz: what wifi card do u have?
[05:20] <pretz> I did get close on one of those distributions but only after the USB wireless was initialized by Windows. That is a very useful datapoint but I'm not about to boot Windows every time before booting Linux.
[05:20] <tolstoy> imnes, i'd go with https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[05:20] <imnes> ok
[05:21] <tolstoy> imnes, I'm having similar probs with a 686-smp kernel.  #1585.
[05:21] <pretz> strestout1_: Not a card. A Belkin FD6050 USB wireless AP.
[05:21] <strestout1_> aaaah...then im not sure
[05:21] <strestout1_> i just setup my wifi card on my ubuntu system today
[05:22] <pretz> strestout1_, lots of info on wifi cards, it is the usb factor that seems to be the complication
[05:22] <strestout1_> yeah...i've even run into problems with usb stuff on windows
[05:22] <pretz> strestout1_ - you really mean a card, not usb device?
[05:23] <jay__> o well i give in back to osx on powerbook
[05:23] <pretz> Hello Jay, looks like another Jersey fellow.
[05:24] <jay__> yep
[05:24] <strestout1_> looks like it uses the amtel chipset pretz
[05:24] <pretz> yes, that's the one. And I have tried the newere amtel driver but not much luck.
[05:26] <pretz> oops, managed to close the window by accident
[05:26] <eladio> hi strestout1.. i'm trying to configure my wpc11 linksys pc wireless card.. when i try iwconfig wlan0, it says it is not found.. do you know how to load the module?
[05:26] <Sensebend> modprobe modulename
[05:26] <Sensebend> as root
[05:26] <Sensebend> or with sudo
[05:26] <strestout1_> pretz: maybe this will help? http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=11300&max_rows=25&style=nested&viewmonth=200303
[05:27] <strestout1_> eladio: sudo modprobe modulename
[05:29] <strestout1_> eladio: are you using the drivers from here: http://www.linux-wlan.com/linux-wlan/index.html
[05:29] <pretz> Martin, thanks, I had not seen that list
[05:30] <pretz> Off to bed, nice chatting with you all. Bill
[05:31] <Se7h> tolstoy cant find anything about it
[05:32] <eladio> strestout1... did you have to install pcmcia-cs or was all you needed the one CD warty warthog.. do i need to download some extra files
[05:32] <tolstoy> Is it possible for the kernel to ruin a usb wireless mouse?
[05:32] <tolstoy> Se7h, hold on.
[05:33] <strestout1_> well eladio, my wifi card had no linux drivers so i had to use ndiswrapper with the windows drivers
[05:33] <Se7h> k
[05:33] <strestout1_> eladio: read this: ftp://ftp.linux-wlan.org/pub/linux-wlan-ng/README
[05:33] <tolstoy> Se7h, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:34] <eladio> strestout1: ndiswrapper.. so i have to download this as well as linux-wlan..
[05:35] <strestout1_> not sure about ur card...looks like u have linux drivers so it should work if u install the linux-wlan drivers
[05:36] <Se7h> aaaah
[05:36] <Se7h> many thanks tolstoy
[05:37] <strestout1_> eladio: u could always just install ndiswrapper and copy ur .inf and .sys files to somewhere on ur ubuntu install (i put mine in /etc/network
[05:38] <strestout1_> i actually found that apart from building drivers into the kernel, ndiswrapper is quite easy to use to install wifi drivers
[05:38] <JoeB> ubuntu doesn't install kernel sources by default?
[05:38] <strestout1_> no
[05:38] <eladio> my inf and sys from windows drivers.. i will download ndiswrapper and get the inf and sys driver..
[05:38] <strestout1_> theres a simple how to on ndiswrapper in the ubuntu wiki
[05:38] <strestout1_> all u really need to do is sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[05:39] <strestout1_> i didnt have to apt-get linux-image at all
[05:39] <strestout1_> once that's done, do ndiswrapper -i foobar.inf (where foobar.inf is the location of ur .inf file)
[05:39] <strestout1_> the sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[05:40] <strestout1_> and mess with /etc/network/interfaces as you wish
[05:40] <eladio> ok.. i'm trying to apt-get ndiswrapper-utils right now.
[05:40] <strestout1_> then u could ifup wlan0 or activate it via computer --> system prefs --> network
[05:43] <strestout1_> brb
[05:45] <Nafallo> how stable is hoary considered to be?
[05:46] <Adrenal> oj
[05:46] <Adrenal> *ok
[05:46] <jdub> Nafallo: it's okay at the moment
[05:46] <Adrenal> why is ubuntu better then fedora?
[05:46] <jdub> Nafallo: but it's going to get interesting quickly :-)
[05:46] <Gmail> hey Adrenal
[05:46] <bur[n] er> because apt is cooler than yum
[05:46] <jay__> well it works on my dual 1.25ghz G4 powermac
[05:46] <Adrenal> wassup?
[05:46] <bur[n] er> :)
[05:46] <jay__> so i guess thats a plus
[05:47] <Gmail> Adrenal: ask away
[05:47] <jdub> Adrenal: it's different. up to you if it's better or not.
[05:47] <Adrenal> what has it got though
[05:47] <Adrenal> like
[05:47] <tim-tx> Adrenal: there's no Fedora Live CD :)
[05:47] <bur[n] er> good work jdub, dont' feed the trolls ;)
[05:47] <Adrenal> i relise apt is awesome
[05:47] <Nafallo> jdub: hehe. I'm considering to make a step forward and learn some bugfixing/programming :-).
[05:47] <Adrenal> cos it does dependiencies
[05:48] <Nafallo> jdub: hoary should be better suited than warty for that purpose :-P.
[05:48] <Gmail> Adrenal: ubuntu send you free cds
[05:48] <Pizbit> Adrenal: Well, from anecdotal evidence, it is far stabler and, well, simpler cooler;)
[05:48] <jdub> Adrenal: as does rpm (used by apt4rpm, yum, up2date, etc)
[05:48] <bur[n] er> speaking of bugfixing... i see on the wiki a way to help is to help choose the default apps to be included in ubuntu... how would one go about this?  I want to see gparted included!
[05:48] <Gmail> i order a lot spare i can send you one when i get my lot give me your address
[05:48] <Adrenal> hmm
[05:49] <Adrenal> give my address to a stranger?
[05:49] <Adrenal> let me think
[05:49] <Adrenal> nah dude, maybe in a few months
[05:49] <jdub> Gmail: i'm sure Adrenal can order some for him/herself
[05:49] <Pizbit> Hahaha
[05:49] <Adrenal> but fedora is easy, i wanna learn how to use linux on this
[05:49] <Gmail> Adrenal: order from shipit.ubuntulinux.org if it not to late
[05:49] <Gmail> Adrenal: ubuntu is easier
[05:49] <nevyn> Adrenal: order a copy play with fedora untill it arrives?
[05:50] <jdub> Adrenal: what do your friends use?
[05:50] <nevyn> jdub: shipit is REALLY REALLY cool btw.
[05:50] <Gmail> remeber in the installer enter, enter, enter, enter, take out cd done
[05:50] <nevyn> verified pressed media :)
[05:50] <WW> Hello world.
[05:50] <Adrenal> my friends use windows
[05:50] <Nafallo> Adrenal: does fedora have a livecd?
[05:50] <Sensebend> Adrenal, try a bunch of distros and find one that you like.
[05:50] <nevyn> I had a bad experience with fedora media this week.
[05:50] <tim-tx> Adrenal: why not download the live CD and play with it?
[05:50] <WW> Any "restructured text" experts out there?
[05:50] <Adrenal> i've tried fedora and mandrake
[05:50] <jay__> wow ubuntu smokes on a dual processor box
[05:50] <Adrenal> i believe mandrake should be renamed manrape
[05:50] <jay__> very fast
[05:50] <Gmail> try the live cd Adrenal
[05:51] <Pizbit> WW: I'm curious, what the heck is "restructured text"?
[05:51] <Sensebend> I've ran Debian Woody, Sarge, Fedora Core 2, Mandrake 10.1, Gentoo 1.2004, Knoppix-STD, FreeBSD
[05:51] <shaver> jdub: mono 1.1.2 is a go on warty/amd64
[05:51] <Sensebend> Finally settled on Ubuntu
[05:51] <Nafallo> Adrenal: otherwize you could always try the livecd, it's like knoppix. put it in and enjoy :-).
[05:51] <WW> Pizbit: A markup language.
[05:51] <WW> Pizbit: wiki stuff.
[05:51] <Adrenal> nah
[05:51] <Pizbit> ah
[05:51] <strestout1_> bur[n] er : i agree...and ubuntu needs a samba frontend
[05:51] <jdub> shaver: cool
[05:51] <shaver> I mean
[05:51] <shaver> uh
[05:51] <nevyn> WW:  I've use a bit of LaTeX...
[05:52] <shaver> I'm guessing, because of course it's not _out_ yet
[05:52] <shaver> so I couldn't have it!
[05:52] <jdub> shaver: 8)
[05:52] <Gmail> Adrenal: you have the offpeak leechtime use it
[05:52] <shaver> etc.
[05:52] <WW> nevyn: Me too, but "rest" is not related (other than being a markup language!)
[05:52] <nevyn> :)
[05:53] <Adrenal> but, what are its best features?
[05:54] <Gmail> Adrenal: it Just works (tm)
[05:54] <Gmail> userfriendlyness
[05:54] <Adrenal> lol
[05:54] <Gmail> gnome
[05:54] <Adrenal> gnome is God
[05:55] <Adrenal> kde sucks
[05:55] <Gmail> the really made gnome a lot more better
[05:55] <nevyn> hrm
[05:55] <strestout1_> i think what sets ubuntu apart from fedora is that ubuntu uses certain things by default which makes it more userfriendly
[05:55] <nevyn> kdevelop and k3b are the bomb tho...
[05:55] <bur[n] er> strestout1_: isn't nautilus a samba frontend?
[05:55] <Gmail> bur[n] er: yes it is
[05:55] <strestout1_> such as sudo, dbus/hal, better setup menus, newer kernel, cleaner install, less clutter, minimalist packages, etc
[05:56] <strestout1_> yes bur[n] er but i mean to change samba preferences
[05:56] <Gmail> Adrenal: udev, auto mounting.... 6 months relests
[05:56] <Gmail> look at the wiki
[05:56] <strestout1_> not just to browse dirs
[05:56] <bur[n] er> right click, share?
[05:56] <Gmail> Adrenal: <strestout1_> such as sudo, dbus/hal, better setup menus, newer kernel, cleaner install, less clutter, minimalist packages, etc
[05:57] <strestout1_> :-D
[05:57] <Adrenal> sounds good
[05:57] <Adrenal> can u do graphic eye candy though
[05:57] <Adrenal> like transperency and such
[05:57] <jdub> Adrenal: not real transparency, no.
[05:57] <jason_> soon
[05:57] <bur[n] er> you will be able too when x.org is packaged up
[05:57] <tim-tx> Adrenal: there are a ton of screenshots online at Osdir.com
[05:57] <jdub> Adrenal: perhaps for the next release. that stuff is not stable yet.
[05:57] <jason_> with x.org 6.8
[05:57] <bur[n] er> s/too/to
[05:58] <strestout1_> xorg is stable if u ask me
[05:58] <Adrenal> yeh
[05:58] <jason_> yeah I'd agree to
[05:58] <jason_> too
[05:58] <jason_> *
[05:58] <Adrenal> uses a lot of system resources though
[05:58] <jdub> strestout1_: the composite stuff is not regarded as stable.
[05:58] <Adrenal> transperency that is
[05:58] <strestout1_> i think the problem is more with making it stable for debian systems than just it being stable
[05:58] <jason_> no it doesn't use a lot of resources
[05:58] <jason_> it uses less
[05:58] <Adrenal> transperency?
[05:58] <Adrenal> uses heaps
[05:58] <jason_> much less with composites enabled
[05:58] <Gmail> jason_ is right
[05:58] <jdub> strestout1_: stability is nothing to do with why it's not in debian yet :)
[05:58] <jason_> because it uses the GPU
[05:59] <nevyn> definitions of stable vary..
[05:59] <jason_> debian is slow to change package sets
[05:59] <jason_> even on their unstable tree
[06:00] <jdub> jason_: not usually.
[06:00] <jason_> well where is x.org?
[06:00] <jdub> jason_: at the moment, there is a freeze on uploads of major subsystems so that sarge can be released.
[06:00] <jdub> thus, no GNOME 2.8 or x.org.
[06:00] <jason_> ahh
[06:00] <jason_> ic
[06:00] <bur[n] er> kde is pretty updated though
[06:00] <bur[n] er> 3.3.1 is on sid
[06:00] <jason_> yeah
[06:00] <jason_> why isn't it in universe yet?
[06:00] <jdub> bur[n] er: which annoyed pretty much everyone involved.
[06:01] <jdub> jason_: universe froze in late june.
[06:01] <strestout1_> they should have included 2.8 and x.org in there
[06:01] <bur[n] er> having new kde annoyed people?
[06:01] <Pizbit> It'll be in there for hoary eh?
[06:01] <strestout1_> those are major changes, but welcome changes imho
[06:01] <stuNNed> what's the difference between `apt-get upgrade` and `apt-get dist-upgrade` ?
[06:01] <bur[n] er> dist-upgrade gets packages that have new dependencies
[06:01] <jason_> having KDE updates over Gnome updates annoy people
[06:01] <jdub> strestout1_: they can't have GNOME 2.8 and x.org in sid due to the sarge freeze. nothing to do with welcome changes.
[06:01] <bur[n] er> and/or require packages to be removed
[06:02] <stuNNed> bur[n] er, danke
[06:02] <jdub> bur[n] er: because they broke the freeze.
[06:02] <jason_> when will sarge be released as stable?
[06:02] <bur[n] er> understandable
[06:02] <jdub> dunno
[06:02] <bur[n] er> jason_: that's a #debian question ;)
[06:02] <jdub> but please stop postulating about everything else...
[06:02] <strestout1_> jdub: i understand...and thats y i prefer ubuntu over debian
[06:05] <bur[n] er> anyone familiar with ipw2100 module?
[06:09] <jay__> where does ubuntu keep apache2 server root
[06:09] <Nafallo> jay__: /etc/apache2?
[06:09] <bur[n] er> /var/www ?
[06:10] <Nafallo> bur[n] er: that would be DocumentRoot? :-)
[06:10] <jay__> k its in /var
[06:10] <bur[n] er> oh right
[06:10] <bur[n] er> guess he'll figure it out
[06:11] <Nafallo> bur[n] er: ho COULD read the conf :-P
[06:11] <Nafallo> s/ho/he/
[06:12] <bur[n] er> should have told jay__ to cat /etc/apache/httpd.conf |grep ServerRoot
[06:12] <bur[n] er> oh well
[06:12] <Nafallo> :-)
[06:12] <bur[n] er> on that note... where would be the best place to put a script that i want to run after system startup?  .xinitrc?
[06:12] <bur[n] er> i need to rmmod the ipw2100 module, then modprobe it
[06:13] <bur[n] er> right now... i log in, then run ./fixwireless as my first command which is my simple script
[06:13] <Nafallo> easier to grep ServerRoot /etc/apache2/apache2.conf though :-)
[06:13] <bur[n] er> hrm, i've never done a grep like that ;)  guess i should
[06:14] <ionrock> I am compiling my kernel from scratch and I got an error after doing so regarding a vfs panic. I read a little bit about making sure my filesystem is compiled into the kernel but does anyone have a better resource for learning what the error means and how to fix it?
[06:14] <Nafallo> bur[n] er: yea, doesn't grep an empty file either :-P
[06:14] <poyayan> what filesystem are you using?
[06:15] <ionrock> reiser
[06:15] <Nafallo> bur[n] er: put the script in /etc/init.d and update-rc.d?
[06:15] <TheMuso> ionrock: Did you create an initrd image?
[06:16] <ionrock> TheMuso, actually I did but it still didn't work
[06:16] <poyayan> did you compile in ext3 with the kernel?
[06:16] <bur[n] er> well, i think that may be too early?  that's my problem now... i have ipw2100 in /etc/modules, but that is too early i am guessing
[06:16] <bur[n] er> ext3 for reiser? wtf?
[06:16] <bur[n] er> why would that be necessary?
[06:17] <WW> bur[n] er: wtf = Why That Filesystem?
[06:17] <bur[n] er> exactly ;)
[06:17] <ionrock> I am trying compiling them both into the kernel along with cramfs
[06:17] <TheMuso> ionrock: Did you use the Ubuntu kernel source?
[06:17] <ionrock> TheMuso, no I am using a vanilla kernel
[06:17] <poyayan> well it's just that a vfs error occurs during boot if you have anything except ext3 as your / filesystem
[06:17] <poyayan> well for ubuntu
[06:18] <TheMuso> ionrock: I think that is part of the problem. I know initrd uses cramfs, but there may be another patch that the Ubuntu devs included that may be the difference.
[06:18] <poyayan> so I'm guessing it's something along those lines
[06:18] <ionrock> poyayan, I use reiser with my ubuntu kernel too
[06:18] <TheMuso> ionrock: How did you create the initrd?
[06:19] <ionrock> TheMuso, hopefully it will work this time ;) I am going to try it without the initrd image first also b/c I never used on in the past and never had any trouble
[06:19] <Nafallo> ionrock: AFAIK vanilla can't use cramfs on initrd without a kernel patch.
[06:19] <TheMuso> ionrock: Do you know how to build a kernel the Debian/Ubuntu way?
[06:20] <Nafallo> ionrock: apt-get install linux-source kernel-package && man make-kpkg
[06:20] <Nafallo> :-)
[06:20] <ionrock> TheMuso, yeah but I never really saw the point of doing it that way.
[06:21] <TheMuso> ionrock: You can automatically create packages from your kernel, so you can keep them if you need them again later.
[06:21] <ionrock> it always ended up being a pain for me compared to doing normally
[06:21] <TheMuso> ionrock: Also, it will do the initrd for you.
[06:21] <ionrock> TheMuso, I will try it if this doesn't work out
[06:21] <stuNNed> will wpa_supplicant every be added to Ubuntu?
[06:21] <TheMuso> ionrock: How? Just one single command.
[06:21] <Nafallo> ionrock: strange, for me that way was a relief :-).
[06:21] <TheMuso> Nafallo: Agreed.
[06:22] <TheMuso> Even for 2.6 kernels.
[06:22] <ionrock> yeah I know, I told you I was missing something about it ;)
[06:22] <shaver> hrm
[06:22] <ionrock> what is so strange is that I am doing this to see if I can stop my system clock from speeding up when my cpu is working hard
[06:23] <Nafallo> ionrock: you SEEM to be missing a booting computer atm :-P
[06:23] <ionrock> naw I have ubuntu on my laptop and extra box
[06:23] <ionrock> that is what I am on now
[06:23] <ionrock> my laptop
[06:25] <Nafallo> ionrock: oki. well, to put you computer in another speedstep you should just have to stop powernowd, rmmod cpufreq_userspace and modprobe cpufreq_powersave?
[06:25] <ionrock> oh the laptop works just fine
[06:25] <ionrock> this is for my desktop
[06:25] <Se7h> jde:
[06:25] <Se7h>  Depends: bsh but it is not installable
[06:25] <Se7h> :|
[06:25] <Nafallo> hmm, THIS is odd :-P
[06:26] <ionrock> I have a feeling that it is a hardware problem that is making it so crappy
[06:26] <Nafallo> my server and my lappy started working overtime on the harddrives the same moment :-P.
[06:28] <Nafallo> my lappy is a handsome thing now :-)
[06:28] <Nafallo> has a big "geek" sticker from thinkgeek on it :-).
[06:30] <Nafallo> geek. even
[06:30] <ionrock> my laptop's gh and backspace keys stopped working... and then started again later...
[06:31] <ionrock> does anyone know what a .tga is and why I have a hundred or more in my home folder?
[06:32] <ionrock> nevermind I found it
[06:32] <Nafallo> TARGA image file?
[06:33] <ionrock> I think that could be it
[06:33] <yohannes> anyone uses both mplayerplug-in n firefox?
[06:33] <magneto> i do yohannes
[06:33] <yohannes> i managed successfully to install mplayerplug-in and all video clips online have no problem
[06:33] <rushibhai> hi all
[06:34] <yohannes> but how do i enable the control buttons so i can adjust the playback??
[06:34] <magneto> same here - it works great
[06:34] <magneto> lol
[06:34] <magneto> i was looking for that last night
[06:34] <Nafallo> mplayer-plugin has depend problems for mplayer-amd64 :-P
[06:34] <magneto> didnt find out yet
[06:34] <yohannes> i searched everywhere and even played around w/ the *.conf file but to no success
[06:34] <magneto> lol <---------same boat
[06:34] <TheMuso> ionrock: How did the kernel go?
[06:34] <TheMuso> Or is it not done yet?
[06:34] <Nafallo> so I can't even TRY to solve it :-P
[06:35] <magneto> hi rushi
[06:35] <magneto> any openbox users in here?
[06:35] <yohannes> if u look at their website specifically on their screenshots sections, the control buttons are present which is weird
[06:36] <yohannes> how did u guys think about mozplayerxp? any1 uses it?
[06:36] <magneto> yohannes- i had the controls in gentoo self compiled and i couldnot compile the plugin from source in ubuntu
[06:36] <jason_> I accidently did something really stupid last night I typed: sudo rm -r / home/jason/pics
[06:36] <magneto> yohannes - mozplayyer sucks imo
[06:36] <jason_> notice the extra space
[06:36] <jason_> it was a typo
[06:37] <yohannes> magneto --> looking @ their screenshots, i have to agree
[06:37] <jason_> and cost me my Ubuntu install
[06:37] <pepsi_> why did you need to sudo to your own home?
[06:37] <jason_> because root made the dir
[06:37] <magneto> yohannes- you can try the xine plugin
[06:37] <pepsi_> ive done rm foo * before in stead of rm foo*
[06:37] <yohannes> magneto --> hmm,.,, i never thought about it
[06:37] <klasiphyd> heys..
[06:38] <Nafallo> some users shouldn't have root :-P
[06:38] <pepsi_> how can i see what value a program returns?
[06:38] <yohannes> magneto --> which means i have to install xine player
[06:38] <magneto> yohannes: the only plugin i remember with controls is the mplayer though- the xine plugin was ok not as good as mplayerplugin
[06:38] <AlohaWolf> how does one make gaim open a new email thingy without mozilla installed?
[06:38] <magneto> its not that big
[06:39] <yohannes> magento: but in umbuntu case, the mplayerplug-in does not have the control buttons, right?
[06:39] <yohannes> magneto: sometimes, it is nice to be in total control
[06:39] <jdub> pepsi_: echo $?
[06:39] <Nafallo> AlohaWolf: probably by the settings menu ;-)
[06:39] <TheMuso> pepsi_: Are you calling the pgoram from a script, as that is probably the best way to find out.
[06:39] <yohannes> magneto: it's very convenient to skip boring section of the clip and does not have to "referesh" everytime i want to restart a clip
[06:39] <TheMuso> program
[06:39] <magneto> yohannes: unless you write all the software not much control
[06:40] <yohannes> magneto: haha
[06:40] <AlohaWolf> Nafallo, ive looked, im not finding it
[06:40] <magneto> yohannes: yeah and the save feature was cool
[06:40] <pepsi_> TheMuso, no im not
[06:40] <yohannes> magento: what save feature u talking about?
[06:40] <klasiphyd> AlohaWolf, you set the default mail reader in preferred apps?
[06:40] <yohannes> magento: i didnt know the plugin has a save function
[06:40] <AlohaWolf> yes
[06:41] <magneto> yohannes: i tried save defaults in the config file but it wasnt working- you could save clips through the menu
[06:41] <TheMuso> pepsi_: You can do it on the command line. Once you have run the program, type echo $?
[06:41] <TheMuso> usually 0 will mean that the program has run correcly.
[06:41] <yohannes> magneto: oh that one. yeah, you need to have a *.conf file though
[06:41] <TheMuso> correctly
[06:41] <yohannes> magento: yeah nice feature indeed
[06:42] <magneto> yohannes: i do have a .conf i use it to go to x11 instead of xv
[06:42] <klasiphyd> AlohaWolf, what email prog do you want to use
[06:42] <klasiphyd> AlohaWolf, there is the evolution integration plugin in gaim, i don't know if that'll do it but..
[06:42] <AlohaWolf> Evolution
[06:43] <Pizbit> AlohaWolf: You should be able to setup the default mailer for gnome and it'll use that
[06:44] <AlohaWolf> Pizbit, normally (IE under Mandrake) the way gaim send a message is it opens the mailto: with mozilla, who then sends it over to evolution
[06:44] <yohannes> magneto: when u said u could save clip via the menu, which || what menu u referring to?
[06:45] <yohannes> magneto: the video option list some like X11, xv. what are they?
[06:45] <magneto> yohannes: with the show controls feature you can stop play and save and i think there was an options field too
[06:46] <yohannes> magneto: i am kinda blur here. what show control u r referring to?
[06:46] <magneto> -vo= xv, x11 there are more - if u look in mplayer preferences under video you can see your choices - that just overrides the default which is probably xv
[06:47] <Pizbit> 'mplayer -vo help' I believe
[06:47] <AlohaWolf> Pizbit, I did that actually I set it as the default
[06:47] <magneto> yohannes: in mplayerplug-in when an audio or video file is opened there is a control bar at the bottom and if you right click theres a menu
[06:48] <magneto> yohannes: i thought that was the feature you were trying to enable like me
[06:49] <Nafallo> anyone with know-how in scsi?
[06:49] <ionrock> does anyone know if you can set xfce to use metacity and the normal gnome theme(s)
[06:49] <yohannes> magneto: i though you are referring to the plugin
[06:50] <yohannes> magneto: my misunderstanding
[06:50] <magneto> whatsup Nafallo
[06:50] <magneto> yohannes: i was
[06:50] <Nafallo> magneto: http://images.tradera.com/121/8696121_1.gif
[06:50] <Nafallo> magneto: what connection is that? :-/
[06:50] <yohannes> pizbit: thanks for the info
[06:51] <ophie> is anyone having problems using Sound Juicer to rip audio CDs?  I get a "No CD-ROM drives found error".
[06:51] <yohannes> nafallo: that's one jumbo hd
[06:52] <Nafallo> magneto: I've bought a servermotherboard with integrated multi-channel scsicontroller and plans to switch some of my in-use drives :-P.
[06:52] <magneto> ultra-2 or ultra3
[06:52] <TheMuso> ophie: Have you cheecked the preferences in sj to see if the drive is there, or does it give you that error and exit?
[06:52] <magneto> nafallo: whats the model info
[06:53] <Nafallo> magneto: seagate ST19171WC
[06:53] <magneto> wanna buy some ultra 3 10k rpm 72.8gb compaq drives? brand new in box
[06:53] <ophie> TheMuso: I can't get into SJ's preferences menu, because once it shows me the error and I click ok, it just exits.
[06:54] <TheMuso> Are you able to mount Data CDs in it all right?
[06:54] <magneto> thats an ultra1 nafalla
[06:54] <ophie> TheMuso: yes, I can read the install CD and other data CDs with no problem.
[06:55] <Nafallo> magneto: may I chat private with you? :-)
[06:55] <magneto> nafallo: sure
[06:55] <TheMuso> ophie: Have you checked the permissions of the device?
[06:55] <ophie> TheMuso: how do i check the permissions of the device?  sorry, i'm a newbie.
[06:56] <yohannes> magneto: i did not see any control bar when a clip is played. take a look at: http://members.cox.net/zer0sn0nes/Screenshot.png
[06:56] <yohannes> magneto: /*a clip was supposed to be playing during the capture*/
[06:56] <TheMuso> ophie: Thats fine. Is the drive an IDE drive?
[06:57] <ophie> TheMuso: It is a USB2 external DVD/CDRW.
[06:57] <magneto> yohannes: thats hard to get the vid display in a screenshot
[06:57] <magneto> yohannes: i dont have the control panel anymore - not in ubuntu- i had it in gentoo and i was looking for how to enable it- i thought thats what you were talking about originally
[06:58] <yohannes> magneto: oh ic2
[06:58] <TheMuso> ophie: Ah ok. Run this: sudo modprobe sg
[06:58] <yohannes> magneto: do you think it's possible that during the compile process, i did not use GTK2?
[06:58] <yohannes> magneto: that resulted in the control panel being gone?
[06:58] <ophie> TheMuso: ok, i did that.
[06:59] <klasiphyd> what is the difference between the binary driver for ati cards from the ubuntu site, and the linux drivers from ati.com ? why not just install the ati ones
[06:59] <yohannes> magneto: i think i used the gecko one
[06:59] <bur[n] er> anyone develop in glade?
[06:59] <TheMuso> ophie: Now try and run sound-juicer again
[06:59] <ophie> TheMuso: you are a genius, it worked!!!
[06:59] <LucidVisions> Hello all: does anyone know of a service configurator thats simple to use?
[07:00] <TheMuso> ophie: Glad to hear it.
[07:00] <ophie> TheMuso: do i need to do that everytime I log in?
[07:00] <LucidVisions> like sysv-init,but simple
[07:00] <TheMuso> ophie: No I was just about to suggest how to take care of that. Open up the /etc/modules file and add sg to the end on a separate line.
[07:00] <TheMuso> ophie: You need to do that with sudo.
[07:01] <ophie> TheMuso: done!
[07:01] <ophie> TheMuso: thanks...you've been a terrific help!
[07:01] <magneto> yohannes: nah i dont know why- i tried to compile from source and got nothing but errors on make
[07:02] <pepsi_> how can i call another program in C?
[07:02] <TheMuso> ophie: You are welcome.
[07:02] <pepsi_> run the program, pass arguments, and get the returned result
[07:02] <ophie> TheMuso: just out of curiousity, what is the module sg for?
[07:02] <yohannes> magneto: ok thanks
[07:02] <Ubuntu> hey all
[07:02] <Ubuntu> I created this distro!
[07:03] <Gmail> sure
[07:03] <Ubuntu> lol
[07:03] <TheMuso> ophie: It is SCSI generic support. Since you are using a USB drive, all USB drives use the SCSi subsystem in Linux. For some reason sound-juicer needs this loaded in order to work with SCSI CD drives.
[07:03] <Ubuntu> i registerd the name though
[07:03] <Gmail> we all belive you
[07:03] <Gmail> i register ubuntulinux and ubuntu-linux and GNU-Ubuntu plus GNU-Debian
[07:04] <ophie> TheMuso: thanks for that fix.  i will post that in ubuntuforums.org for others to discover.
[07:04] <TheMuso> ophie: Sounds like a good idea.
[07:07] <geppy> What is the install candidate for unrar?
[07:08] <Pizbit> unrar-nonfree
[07:08] <geppy> Thanks.
[07:08] <geppy> E: Couldn't find package unrar-nonfree
[07:08] <Pizbit> Enable multiverse
[07:09] <geppy> I've enabled universe;  how do I enable multiverse?
[07:09] <geppy> Just add "multiverse" to the end of the deb line in my sources.list?
[07:09] <TheMuso> geppy: Add the word multiverse to the end of the line that has universe on it.
[07:09] <geppy> Thanks.
[07:09] <TheMuso> geppy: The deb lines that is.
[07:10] <TheMuso> Then run sudo apt-get update
[07:10] <geppy> Right, thanks.  =)
[07:14] <magneto> any openbox users?
[07:16] <deFrysk> <--xfce4.2
[07:16] <deFrysk> beta
[07:16] <jason_> how did you get it to work?
[07:17] <deFrysk> who , me ?
[07:17] <jason_> I tried the binary installer and it didn't like my version of GTK
[07:17] <jason_> yes
[07:17] <deFrysk> I used the installer
[07:17] <jason_> do you have the default version of GTK+?
[07:18] <deFrysk> and checked the errorlog a few times to figure out what I needed
[07:18] <jason_> warty
[07:18] <jason_> ic
[07:18] <deFrysk> It took me a while
[07:18] <jason_> what are some of the dependancies?
[07:18] <deFrysk> installed some gcc versions
[07:18] <jason_> k
[07:19] <deFrysk> even at the end of the install , (99%) I got an error , but again the errorlog told me what -devel package to get
[07:19] <\dev\null> eeek someone owns this nick
[07:19] <jason_> how did you get GTK+ 2.2 or above?
[07:19] <jason_> cvs?
[07:19] <jason_> apt?
[07:19] <deFrysk> A sec
[07:20] <Pizbit> Gmail: Having fun?
[07:20] <jason_> Gmail: Idendity crisis?
[07:20] <Pizbit> Dead/ all of the above?
[07:20] <Gmail> jason_: sorta
[07:22] <deFrysk> I used libgtk2 , and also installed the devel package
[07:22] <deFrysk> to make it work
[07:22] <deFrysk> for me
[07:24] <deFrysk> Anyway , xfce4.2 is awesome improvement
[07:25] <deFrysk> should be in hoary
[07:25] <aLi`> where can i found ubuntu sources.list
[07:25] <aLi`> anybody can paste to me ?
[07:25] <deFrysk> ali etc/apt/
[07:25] <aLi`> deFrysk~ :))
[07:25] <aLi`> i have deleted all apt directory
[07:26] <deFrysk> why ?
[07:26] <calc> why haven't they posted any 4.2 shots yet?
[07:26] <aLi`> i was sleeping :)
[07:26] <deFrysk> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[07:26] <calc> ah i see one in the read more section
[07:27] <aLi`> thanks
[07:27] <deFrysk> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[07:27] <calc> heh xfce can even make cde look halfway decent
[07:27] <alThor> how do I determine which version of the kernel I have if I am not sure?
[07:27] <deFrysk> those 2 lines should do the trick
[07:27] <deFrysk> uname -r
[07:27] <alThor> thanks
[07:29] <deFrysk> even the filemanager of xfce4.2 is much improved
[07:29] <jason_> whats the difference between beta1 and beta2?
[07:29] <jason_> deFrysk
[07:29] <deFrysk> jason_, never tried beta1
[07:30] <deFrysk> I happened to take a look there and tried it
[07:31] <rachet> hi  i installed  a file with wine but  how do i open the program with wine ?
[07:31] <nickers> rachet, wine blah.exe
[07:31] <nickers> sorta kinda that simple
[07:31] <rachet> i tried =(
[07:32] <nickers> what program
[07:32] <rachet> msnsniffer
[07:32] <rachet> i installed it with no problems
[07:32] <jason_> can you add icons to the desktop yet deFrysk?
[07:32] <rachet> so i tried : wine MsnSniffer.exe
[07:34] <AlohaWolf> Ubuntu: The Linux that no one can Pronouce
[07:34] <jason_> uhhh bunn tooo
[07:34] <deFrysk> jason_, nope
[07:34] <jason_> isn't it?
[07:35] <calc> jason_: some african word, probably isn't pronounced like english
[07:35] <psyklops> ooh boon too
[07:35] <calc> aLi`: stop your crap away messages
[07:36] <jason_> ewww bunn too
[07:36] <jason_> thats how I meant it
[07:36] <aLi`> sorry calc :(
[07:36] <aLi`> forgotten here
[07:36] <calc> :)
[07:36] <mercurus> hmm ... only 3 hours worth of updates to download :x
[07:43] <gomorrah> hello al
[07:43] <gomorrah> l
[07:43] <jason_> hello gomorrah
[07:43] <jason_> welcome
[07:43] <gomorrah> thanks
[07:43] <bintrue> greetings, I'm having a problem with my X display. I've never come across it on any other distro and its a little hard to explain. I get a Bleeding of colors almost. For Example there is a light black bar across the screen at the Ubuntu logon.
[07:43] <jason_> what drivers are you using?
[07:43] <jason_> bintrue
[07:44] <bintrue> I believe the Nvidia one, but I had the same problem during install as well
[07:44] <mercurus> bintrue, of which resolution and refresh rates is your monitor capable ? and what resolution and refresh rates are using ?
[07:45] <bintrue> I went in and changed the refresh rates in my XF86config-4 but that didn't improve it
[07:45] <jason_> it could also be your card overheating
[07:45] <jason_> is it overclocked?
[07:45] <bintrue> its a viper 770 not overclocked :)
[07:46] <mercurus> bintrue, and the monitor works fine in other OSes ?
[07:46] <bintrue> yes, I've had Redhat and debian sarge work just fine
[07:46] <bintrue> silly me didn't back up my xf86config
[07:47] <mercurus> can you boot into one of them or windows now to verify it isn't the monitor itself ? and ... just check the connections between monitor and card :)
[07:47] <mercurus> and if you feel so inclined, re-seat the card too ...
[07:47] <bintrue> and I'm using the NV driver
[07:47] <mercurus> or restore the old XF86Config and try and setup some conservative refresh rates
[07:47] <bintrue> ah you know what.... it might be a reseating
[07:47] <bintrue> I just installed a new heatsink
[07:48] <GOwin> help. i can't configure my network card. the system log says "(pam_unix) authentication failure; logname=myname uid=0 euid=0 tty=pts/0 ruser= rhost= user=myname"
[07:48] <mercurus> give it a whirl ...
[07:48] <bintrue> on the way
[07:48] <mercurus> GOwin, are you trying to login as root ?
[07:48] <GOwin> nope
[07:48] <GOwin> only using my account from gnome
[07:49] <mercurus> you're using sudo ? and is the network card module listed in the output from lsmod ?
[07:50] <GOwin> mercurus how do i check that?
[07:50] <GOwin> i'm using the network admin from gnome
[07:50] <GOwin> prior to that, i think i unchecked windows/samba networking
[07:50] <bintrue> hmm heatsink is really fast , suppose i will let it cool down
[07:51] <gomorrah> help, having trouble installing ubuntu, during install my cd is not being automatically detected, and i don't know which to select
[07:51] <mercurus> GOwin, ah ok ... and that's the error it spits at you ?
[07:51] <GOwin> now, when i open network settings, i get a popup window "the configuration could not be loaded" there was an error running the backend script
[07:51] <mercurus> gomorrah, are you selecting "cdrom" as an apt source ? or before that ?
[07:52] <mercurus> GOwin, ok ... that's a new one on me ... I can try and talk you through manual configuration of your ethernet adapter, but hopefully somone else can fix your existing problem ...
[07:52] <mercurus> gomorrah, if you have multiple CD
[07:53] <mercurus> \optical drives in the machine, disable the one you're not using in the BIOS, and set the BIOS to boot from CDROM ...
[07:53] <GOwin> mercurus, yes please. actually, i got two NICs, and i want to configure another for my dsl connection. the other one is already configured for the lan.
[07:53] <ruiner> were those free cds that were offered when ubuntu was first released ever sent out? i never received mine...
[07:54] <mercurus> GOwin, hmm ... I've not used DSL, I probably can't really help there :(
[07:54] <pepsi_> how can i run a gui app as another user? not from the command line
[07:54] <gomorrah> only one cd, but its a laptop, it detects the cdrom (obviously, because it boots from the cd), but then when after i have selected my location and language, it goes and then tries to auto detect my cd and asks me to manually select my cd
[07:55] <lifeless> pepsi_: gksu
[07:55] <pepsi_> aha
[07:55] <mercurus> pepsi_, gksu ... there should be an option in Applications -> System Tools
[07:55] <GOwin> is this like windows where a reboot sometimes does magic?
[07:55] <bintrue> I <3 village
[07:55] <pepsi_> i saw gksudo and gnome-sudo
[07:55] <bintrue> oops
[07:55] <bintrue> wrong channel
[07:56] <mercurus> GOwin, sometimes ... but usuaully it can be fixed without a reboot ... what's the name of the "backend script" that fails to run ?
[07:56] <visor> uhmm i know this is a stupid question but, do you know how to write special characters in linux as you do in windows (like Alt + 164 gives you an @...)?
[07:56] <pepsi_> gksu is what i want, so i can create a launcher for the app
[07:56] <GOwin> hmm ... which log should i check?
 thomaz: how about the phpmyadmin site/forums/help/manual/whatever? ;P
 even google probably has the answer
 eruin: Blah.. can't find... though I'm not very good at looking :P
[07:57] <thomaz> <-- b2t has quit ("YOU - off my planet !")
 how do I asign 2 dbs to a User *in PHPMyAdmin
[07:57] <mercurus> gomorrah, no idea I'm afraid :( you might have to pass some kernel options to the installer ..?
[07:57] <mercurus> visor, you can use the character map ..? Applications -> Accessories
[07:58] <visor> mercurus: uhmm yeah, i meant a keyboard way but i just fount it with google, thanks :)
[07:59] <theantix> does apt use the http protocol to download?
[07:59] <mercurus> visor, no worries ... how do you do it with keyboard shortcuts ?
[07:59] <mercurus> theantix, it can use http or ftp ... up to you ...
[07:59] <gomorrah> mercurus, do you know where i can find a list of kernel options??
[07:59] <theantix> mercurus: thanks
[08:00] <mercurus> gomorrah, when you first boot the Ubuntu CD, press F1 and it'll show you some common ones ... otherwise, its a question of digging through the kernel documentation ...
[08:00] <klasiphyd> for the ati binary drivers.. in the faq it says you can install flgrx-control.. but apt-get can't find it ?
[08:00] <gomorrah> kewl, thanx, i'll give it a shot
[08:00] <visor> mercurus: in windows there is something like "Alt + code" that gives you special characters and a friend of mine asked me, i live in Mexico, he does too, but my keyboards are spanish but his does not, so... i read you have to change keyboard layout to us_intl
[08:00] <mercurus> klasiphyd, use apt-cache to search for "ati" or "glx" and you can pinpoint the name of the package :)
[08:01] <mercurus> visor, ah ok ... either with symlinks or by compiling a new keymap into the kernel
[08:01] <Pizbit> klasiphyd: You might need to enable multiverse or just universe repositories, not sure
[08:02] <dob> the ubuntu security team don't review the software from universe, so how is resolved a security problem on some software on universe?
[08:04] <visor> mercurus: yup, i see, ill figure it out, as he is rather newbie on this thing, i better install on his machine kcharmap or something like tthat
[08:04] <bintrue> damn,  a cool video card didn't help
[08:05] <bintrue> are the menu's a default dark grey?
[08:07] <magneto> anyone using openbox?
[08:08] <klasiphyd> still can't find it
[08:08] <klasiphyd> have multi and uni
[08:08] <klasiphyd> and apt-cache didn't come up with anything either
[08:10] <visor> it is very likely to break up ubuntu if you add testing from debian to sources list isnt it?
[08:10] <visor> i benn having quite a few problems with gaim but there is no update in the official site from gaim, neither in ubuntu updates
[08:11] <jason_> I have been having problems with Rhythmbox
[08:11] <visor> and in testing theres the update it just requires tu update too many packages
[08:11] <jason_> anybody else?
[08:11] <mercurus> jason_, yeah ... it refuses to play several mp3s, and freezes ...
[08:11] <aratdagnir> evolution does not start
[08:12] <mercurus> also, it won't advance between mp3s often ... it fails to access /dev/dsp or the ALSA device ...
[08:12] <aratdagnir> i filled in the information fields, like pop addresses and such
[08:12] <aratdagnir> but it's not starting now
[08:12] <Nafallo> http://shop.store.yahoo.com/netcomdirect/ibm43ulwidsc.html
[08:12] <Nafallo> would this one make a good system disk for a server?
[08:12] <mercurus> aratdagnir, use the System Monitor to see if it is slowly loading, or if it is dead ...
[08:13] <mercurus> jason_, what issues are you having with it ?
[08:13] <aratdagnir> mercurus, it's there, but no response, it's been over 5 minutes
[08:13] <mercurus> aratdagnir, try and start it from the desktop again ...
[08:14] <aratdagnir> mercurus, ok:) whats the quick way of getting gcc?
[08:14] <mercurus> aratdagnir, apt-get update && apt-get install gcc
[08:14] <mercurus> :)
[08:14] <eruin> Nafallo: why would you even _consider_ buying an outdated drive like that?
[08:15] <Nafallo> eruin: cause I don't know either SCSI, have a big budget or need a state-of-the-art server.
[08:15] <eruin> don't you think $140 for a drive like that is a bit _too_ much?
[08:16] <aratdagnir> mercurus, bad news again, it says method http died unexpectedly, and that was really unexpected :)
[08:16] <Nafallo> eruin: well. $1.99 on ebay ;-)
[08:16] <eruin> aaaaah
[08:16] <eruin> nm me then :p
[08:16] <mercurus> aratdagnir, indeed ... you used sudo right ?
[08:16] <eruin> it'd work, but any modern 7200rpm ide-drive would outperform it
[08:16] <aratdagnir> mercurus, yep :) i'm root
[08:16] <aratdagnir> i mean sudo
[08:17] <aratdagnir> it has # in the shell
[08:17] <aratdagnir> :)
[08:17] <Nafallo> eruin: well, would that drive perform atleast as good as my Quantum Fireball UDMA33? :-)
[08:17] <mercurus> aratdagnir, ah ... obviously your internet connection is up ...
[08:17] <eruin> Nafallo: better
[08:17] <eruin> muchos better
[08:17] <Nafallo> eruin: that's what I wanted to hear :-).
[08:17] <mercurus> just check your sources.list file looks ok ... and have another shot
[08:18] <aratdagnir> mercurus, we're thinking of installing ubuntu to our friends at university, about 50-60 people who are new to linux but learning programming
[08:18] <mercurus> I'm no Ubuntu guru ... but my experiences have all been positive ...
[08:19] <aratdagnir> i need a distro like ubuntu, clean, easy on the eyes, easy but i also need the gcc, is there a chance that i can download the debs to a cd for gcc and other tools, because they will need them
[08:19] <mercurus> I burnt a DVD backup of 4.5 gigs of data last night, I've been playing DVDs and mp3s, I've used networked printers, I've done all the usual stuff except package compiles and whatnot
[08:20] <mercurus> aratdagnir, gcc is available. though I think it is part of the universe repository
[08:20] <aratdagnir> mercurus: got it:) thanks for help!
[08:20] <mercurus> no worries
[08:20] <Nafallo> damn! you have to live in the US or Canada to have that drive shipped to you :-(.
[08:21] <mercurus> I also haven't compiled a kernel under Ubuntu ... yet.
[08:21] <duke|ib> is mac-on-linux broken for anyone else with apt? i can't grab it due to a lack of mol-modules :E
[08:22] <aratdagnir> mercurus, evolution doesnot like my $LANG variable, i've set it to C default, and it started :)
[08:22] <mercurus> aratdagnir, what was it set to before ? have you got locales installed ?
[08:24] <aratdagnir> mercurus, it's the live cd, but i've set it to Turkish, just to have the keyboard right
[08:24] <mercurus> ah ...
[08:24] <aratdagnir> i've tried apt-get with default LANG
[08:25] <bintrue> quick question, how do I prevent X from restarting so I can install the Nvidia binary drivers?
[08:25] <holycow> kill the gdm/kdm/xdm process that started it
[08:26] <deFrysk> bintrue, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:26] <deFrysk> bintrue, and install it the easy way
[08:26] <bintrue> ooh I like easy ways
[08:27] <deFrysk> apt-get install linux-<arch> nvidia-glx
[08:27] <deFrysk> then reboot
[08:27] <Tyche> hello
[08:27] <deFrysk> and activate the nvidia kernel as described
[08:27] <Tyche> I'm new to Ubuntu and I have some questions, what is the proper way to go about that?
[08:29] <Treenaks> Tyche: just ask
[08:29] <Treenaks> Tyche: look in the FAQ first of course, the URL is in the topic
[08:29] <aratdagnir> does the live cd work exactly like original?
[08:30] <bintrue> man I can not shake this damn image problem
[08:30] <bintrue> not drivers, not the card, not the monitor :/
[08:32] <Tyche> I'm looking to get apt-get working...I would like to install things like mplayer, k3b, gkrellm and also make sure my system is up to date...what is the best way to do that?
[08:32] <aratdagnir> alright, i got to reboot, i'll be back, i hope
[08:32] <aratdagnir> thanks for all help:)
[08:34] <tableist90> Tyche: go here for mplayer http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-130623.html
[08:34] <Treenaks> Tyche: well, apt-get just works
[08:34] <tableist90> Tyche: for k3b
[08:34] <Treenaks> Tyche: start by reading /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:34] <tableist90> Tyche: sudo apt-get install k3b in terminal
[08:34] <Treenaks> Tyche: and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:35] <Treenaks> Tyche: you do NOT need to compile mplayer from source, like the linuxforums post tells you!
[08:35] <Treenaks> Tyche: there are packages available, see the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats page
[08:35] <tableist90> hehe...i couldn't find a regular package for it
[08:36] <Treenaks> tableist90: always look on the wiki first ;)
[08:36] <tableist90> yah thanks for the info..i couldn't find a package for it..im checking it now
[08:38] <Tyche> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:38] <Tyche> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:38] <Tyche> I get that when I try to do an apt-get
[08:38] <Pizbit> Have you got synaptic running?
[08:39] <Tyche> Yes. =)
[08:39] <Pizbit> Close it then:P
[08:40] <plasmo> we have 1,337 members registered on ubuntuforums just then ;D
[08:40] <klasiphyd> hmm well that didn't go so well
[08:40] <iz> /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_3.1ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[08:40] <iz> E: Su/var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_3.1ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[08:40] <iz> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)b-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:40] <iz> asny idea?
[08:41] <tableist90> Tyche: make sure u have all options checked in synaptic>settings>repository
[08:41] <tableist90> Tyche: then do an apt-get update
[08:42] <Ubuntu> HI
[08:42] <Ubuntu> Im Ubuntu
[08:47] <RuffianSoldier> Tyche, I hope you enjoy Ubuntu, its certenly one of the Best Distros and the best Debian distro, in fact, its beating normal debian on distro watch!
[08:48] <nevyn>  that's interesting.
[08:48] <Tyche> I really like it
[08:48] <Tyche> I am new though and that slows me down.
[08:48] <RuffianSoldier> New to Linux, Debian, or just Ubuntu?
[08:49] <bintrue> I love debian, but ubuntu was SO much easier to install
[08:49] <nevyn> bintrue: had you tried the sarge previews?
[08:49] <Tyche> I am familiar with Red Hat, Fedore and now suse (all with begginner to intermediate knowledge)
[08:49] <bintrue> no
[08:49] <spacey`ki> bintrue, i don't see any differance between ubuntu and debian installer
[08:49] <Tyche> new to debian and ubuntu
[08:49] <spacey`ki> maybe a few options less now i think about it, but not sure
[08:49] <RuffianSoldier> ic
[08:49] <bintrue> I did a debian unstable install a few months ago
[08:50] <RuffianSoldier> i hope you like it, i sure do, its soooo easy to manage
[08:50] <nevyn> Tyche: intermediate.. so you can install and configure apache, squid, x and postfix?
[08:50] <Tyche> I have tried to install debian and never got it working...decided to try ubuntu and really liked the install
[08:50] <bintrue> this seemed to be a little less interactive
[08:50] <nevyn> bintrue: that's true.
[08:50] <RuffianSoldier> ya, same, Debian was a bitch, but Libranet and Ubuntu were sooo easy
[08:50] <spacey`ki> i think in ubuntu there are no questions about package selection
[08:50] <spacey`ki> don't remember well though ;)
[08:50] <kingsley> Graphs of the performance of linux data compressors are at http://www.nas.com/~change/private/compression_test.GNU_tar_archive.LargeCalgaryCorpus.tar.montage.jpg. Comments welcome.
[08:50] <Tyche> apache/mysql/php not sure what squid and postfix is. I have tried x but never succeeded (that is where my debian install is sitting)
[08:51] <bintrue> how is ubuntu with dvd playback off the cd?
[08:51] <bintrue> thinking of trying it out on my laptop
[08:51] <spacey`ki> Tyche, squid is http proxy and postfix is an MTA
[08:51] <nevyn> bintrue: it doesn't have the codec's it's a legal issue.
[08:51] <bintrue> so nothing more than standard debian
[08:51] <nevyn> spacey`ki: do you think my definition of intermediate is too high?
[08:52] <Tyche> spacey'ki what is an mta?
[08:52] <eim> Hello folks, I
[08:52] <Tyche> Hello eim
[08:52] <nevyn> Tyche: mail transport agent
[08:52] <spacey`ki> mail transfer agent
[08:52] <spacey`ki> one of the two ;)
[08:52] <nevyn> transfer/transport?
[08:52] <nevyn> :)
[08:52] <eim> Hello folks, I would like to know which version of Evolution is shipped along with the latest stable Ubuntu release. Thanks.
[08:53] <spacey`ki> nevyn, not specially. But i think being intermediate is hard to measure. because one may be a total Xfree guru but never touched apache.
[08:53] <sid77> yup, an mta moves mail around
[08:53] <nevyn> spacey`ki: true.
[08:53] <TheMuso> eim: 2.0.2
[08:53] <eim> TheMuso: Thanks.
[08:53] <Tyche> Aye, 2.0.2
[08:53] <spacey`ki> i never configured squid or postfix myself, altough i'm sure i'll manage in a short timeframe.
[08:53] <nevyn> spacey`ki: X is.. something of a dark art (it's getting better if you have supported hardware)
[08:54] <nevyn> spacey`ki: ie not ati >r200 or nvidia anything
[08:54] <spacey`ki> nevyn, i think you are intermediate when you know the basics, and have insight how everything in a linux system falls together.
[08:54] <nevyn> spacey`ki: ah so your intermediate your whole life..
[08:54] <nevyn> there's always more to learn.
[08:55] <spacey`ki> nevyn, yes intermediate is only the beginning right?:)
[08:55] <nevyn> heh
[08:55] <nevyn> I sort of have an attitude of if it's a computer I can work it out.
[08:56] <klasiphyd> whats the best way to get xmms to dock in gnome
[08:57] <spacey`ki> nevyn, sure :)
[08:57] <Pizbit> klasiphyd: Get the xmms-status-plugin
[08:57] <mbb> just updated to hoary. now have no gnome-panels, (top of screen, and bottom of screen) Any ideas?
[08:58] <Pizbit> mbb: You did know things were gonna break right?
[08:58] <iz> mbb apt-get install gnome-panel?
[08:59] <mbb> pizbit: yeah, it installed in an extra partition. warty is still ok...
[08:59] <mbb> iz: will try.
[08:59] <klasiphyd> Pizbit, i grabbed that, but configure fails saying it can't find xmms-config ..and i can't find it either
[09:00] <Pizbit> klasiphyd: Why're you trying to compile it?
[09:00] <mbb> iz: unmet dependencies: evolution-data-server
[09:00] <iz> aha
[09:00] <Pizbit> It's in universe
[09:01] <Treenaks> why are you compiling? isn't there a package?
[09:01] <mrjive> hi *
[09:01] <klasiphyd> ah yes.. i forgot to check universe when i looked
[09:02] <RuffianSoldier> dude, Universe has everything almost
[09:02] <RuffianSoldier> i need sleep
[09:02] <RuffianSoldier> goodnight
[09:03] <binary_10> does ubuntu have something simular to rc-update show ?
[09:06] <klasiphyd> how do i get xmms to now not show up on the panel now ?
[09:07] <iz> not show?
[09:07] <mbb> pizbit: so is it reasonable to expect that apt-get update and apt-get upgrade will some day fix my no-panel problem?
[09:07] <klasiphyd> it's in the dock, but it still shows on the panel of running programs
[09:07] <iz> kill -9 pid
[09:07] <Tyche> I am in synaptic trying to install things...is that better then apt-get?
[09:08] <nevyn> no.
[09:08] <nevyn> just different.
[09:08] <Burgundavia> Tyche: depends on what you are most comfortable with
[09:08] <Burgundavia> Tyche: They are both front ends for apt
[09:08] <Pizbit> mbb: MIght need a dist-upgrade, but "some day", yes, soon? Toss a coin!
[09:08] <nevyn> no synaptic is a frontend for apt which is a frontend for dpkg...
[09:09] <Tyche> I'm looking for mplayer or something that will play avi and mpg's any suggestions? I do not see mplayer in synaptic
[09:09] <nevyn> it's not there.
[09:09] <nevyn> that's why ;)
[09:09] <borup> Tyche: I use totem
[09:10] <Burgundavia> Tyche: Also to play avi's, you will need to the restricted formats stuff
[09:10] <Tyche> borup: I have tried to open those types of files and it doesn't like them...
[09:11] <Pizbit> Tyche: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:12] <binary_10> is there a way i can tell which to tell what services are being started at boot time?
[09:13] <Pizbit> [pizbit@Yogi:~/.xchat2/xchatlogs] $ grep "RestrictedFormats" FreeNode-#ubuntu.log | wc -l = 96
[09:13] <binary_10> is there a way I can tell which serces are being started at boot time.. i meant
[09:13] <binary_10> *services
[09:13] <binary_10> grr
[09:14] <Pizbit> Wow, that's only 1 per 1000 lines in my log file for this channel
[09:14] <Burgundavia> binary_10: if you mean something like fedoras, I don't think so
[09:15] <binary_10> well i was looking for something simular to rc-update show
[09:15] <binary_10> or something like that
[09:17] <eim> Anyone running Ubuntu on an iBook G3?
[09:19] <Tyche> Pizbit: So I am looking at that site and I have check the universe. now what?
[09:19] <Pizbit> Tyche: Uh, you're wanting to get codecs to play some video files yeah?
[09:20] <Tyche> Yea
[09:20] <Pizbit> You'll need to add the marillat repository at the bottom, apt-get update, apt-get install w32codecs
[09:22] <rebirth> bbs :x
[09:25] <Tyche> Pizbit,  apt-get install w32codecs
[09:25] <Tyche> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:25] <Tyche> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[09:25] <Tyche> E: Couldn't find package w32codecs
[09:27] <mipooh> what ubuntu users use instead of mc?
[09:27] <morgs> I have a question about the warty security updates. I get the ubuntu-security-announce list, but when I reload in synaptic, there are no updated packages.
[09:27] <Treenaks> mipooh: nautilus
[09:27] <mipooh> thx
[09:27] <morgs> Does it take a while before they are available?
[09:27] <Treenaks> morgs: maybe you don't have them installed?
[09:28] <Treenaks> morgs: or, you could remove the CD-ROM from your apt sources.list, and make sure the security repository is turned on
[09:30] <klasiphyd> grr.. i can't get xmms to not show up on the tasklist, what am i missing?
[09:30] <Pizbit> Tyche: Did you apt-get update first?
[09:30] <Pizbit> Tyche: And add the marillat repository as the page shows?
[09:32] <borup> the marillat repo has a funky per ip connection limit
[09:41] <gerard> I have X divided over 2 screens, it works perfectly, except when I minimize an that is not on the main sceen. It goes into the task-bar, but the application is not displayed there. It is in my process list though. So...how do I "unminimize" this app?
[09:42] <gerard> minimizing an application that is...
[09:42] <klasiphyd> alt tab to it?
[09:42] <gerard> duh ;-)
[09:42] <gerard> yes that works..
[09:43] <gerard> Now...how do I get it displayed in the taskbar...is this a bug or wanted behavior?
[09:43] <Tyche> pizbit, okay added and I think it is installing it now.
[09:43] <Tyche> pizbit, will I have to reboot when it is done?
[09:44] <Pizbit> Why would you have to do that?
[09:44] <Pizbit> Tyche: Oh yeah, I'd install xine or at least totem-xine (Don't worry if it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, it doesn't matter)
[09:45] <Tyche> Oh, okay, I was worried it would mess up my install if I removed the ubuntu-desktop
[09:46] <mercurus> gerard, is it not on either desktop ? are you using the xinerama extension ?
[09:46] <Tyche> should I install xine and totem-xine? or which one is preferred?
[09:46] <Pizbit> Tyche: Both? Personally I prefer using xine, but if you like totem then go that way
[09:46] <Tyche> I do not know any better.
[09:47] <Pizbit> Get both, try both, doesn't matter:)
[09:47] <Tyche> xine-ui, is that what you are talking about?
[09:48] <Pizbit> Yeah
[09:48] <gerard> mercurus: nope...it just disappeared off both screens...
[09:48] <Tyche> pizbit okay...those are almost done...do I need to reboot, or will it just work?
[09:48] <mercurus> gerard, odd ... it didn't minimise to a different workspace ?
[09:49] <Pizbit> Tyche: With linux you only ever really need to reboot if you're changing your kernel
[09:49] <Pizbit> They'll work straight off.
[09:49] <gerard> mercurus: no... As I said it disappears. You can alt-tab to it, but that's all...
[09:50] <Tyche> How do I know how to run them? They are not in the menu...
[09:50] <Tyche> sorry for the beginner questions.
[09:50] <Pizbit> Tyche: Double click on your video file
[09:51] <Pizbit> Or if you want to change it so xine opens that file type, right click and click the open with entry(and type in xine)
[09:52] <mrjive> hi *
[09:52] <Tyche> And we are in business! =)
[09:52] <Pizbit> Yay:)
[09:54] <mrjive> why no-one answered my email about an italian speaking mailing list? do you think it is a stupid idea? today a read about a new russian list... who have i to address to?
[09:57] <ntoll> hi, is there a list of hardware that ubuntu supports? Specifically I'm interested in the Broadcom 440x nic on my Acer Travelmate laptop (I've had problems with it on a vanilla debian "sarge" install but FC/1 worked). Google doesn't turn anything up :-( Any suggestions?
[09:58] <mercurus> ntoll, whether or not hardware is supported is a kernel issue ... rather than a distribution issue ...
[09:58] <mercurus> that said, Ubuntu Warty uses the latest kernel ... 2.6.8.1 and will have one of the most up to date hardware support
[09:58] <Tsjoklat> evening all
[09:58] <ntoll> morning :-)
[09:59] <Tsjoklat> :)
[09:59] <mercurus> ntoll, there are more than likely websites about using linux on your laptop that might help ... try tuxmobil.org or linuxonlaptops.org ...
[10:00] <ntoll> mercurus: o.k. will do, thanks for the advice
[10:00] <mercurus> hopefully they can suggest something (kernel patch, another module) that will improve things
[10:01] <ntoll> o.k. tuxmobil is saying debian works on my model. I'll give ubuntu a try this morning.
[10:01] <rachet> hi! i installed msn sniffer with wine with no problems . but i dont know  how i open msn sniffer now
[10:02] <Pizbit> Why would you use an msn sniffer in wine?
[10:02] <Tsjoklat> hey rachet.. you ever get mono?
[10:02] <rachet> cause i use linux
[10:02] <Pizbit> Uhm, so?
[10:02] <rachet> and  msn sniffer is for windows
[10:03] <rachet> i cant find msn sniffer for linux
[10:03] <Treenaks> "msn sniffer" ?
[10:03] <Pizbit> Besides, why would you even want one?
[10:03] <seb128> ntoll: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport_2fMachines_2fLaptops
[10:03] <Todd_MA_1975> ntoll is that a wireless nic?
[10:03] <rachet> pizbit cause i  want so .... why do u think it exist ? cause people want it!
[10:04] <Pizbit> "Why would you want one?" "because I want one" *ponder*
[10:05] <rachet> pizbit why do u care ?dont u have  a life ? school or work ?
[10:05] <mercurus> rachet, is that one of those corny "IP unmaskers" for MSN messenger ?
[10:05] <ntoll> it has two nics, the broadcome which is 10/100 ethernet and intel centrino technology which is 802.11b. Form the look of it, the broadcom *should* work but (due to naff support from intel) the centrino part of things wont
[10:05] <Treenaks> there's ethereal.. but that sniffs everything, not just msn
[10:06] <Pizbit> Treenaks: I think it has some built in filters.
[10:06] <Todd_MA_1975> ntoll - OK - Just wanted to make sure it wasn't the Broadcom 94306 wireless which require ndiswrapper to work
[10:06] <ntoll> There's my pet Labrador too, he'll sniff anything
[10:06] <Treenaks> Pizbit: yes, you can tell it to monitor only certain ports.. or packets.. or whatever
[10:07] <Pizbit> Treenaks: I meant literally a tick box, been a while since I looked at ethereal, simply don't need it
[10:07] <Treenaks> Pizbit: I use tethereal sometimes if I have network problems.. so I only know the command line stuff
[10:07] <ntoll> 'k, is there any way of submitting an installation report so guys at ubuntu can see what works or not? Or do I just have to post an email somewhere (where?)
[10:08] <Pizbit> ntoll: Try the userlist
[10:08] <ntoll> s'wot I thought...
[10:08] <ntoll> cheers for the help
[10:08] <Treenaks> ntoll: user list, or bug system
[10:10] <rachet> can some one help mw with wine ? i installed  a program but i dont know  i  get it to start
[10:11] <b_e_n_z> rachet, huh? wine <program>?
[10:11] <Tsjoklat> I never got wine to work ever
[10:11] <rachet> ye
[10:11] <b_e_n_z> there's a wine config that you need to tell wine what your C: is etc.
[10:11] <rachet> its  works but i dont know  how to open it
[10:12] <mercurus> rachet, is that one of those corny "IP unmaskers" for MSN messenger ?
[10:12] <rachet> mercurus  we are talking about  wine ffs
[10:12] <b_e_n_z> rachet, what is "it"?
[10:12] <mercurus> rachet, I'm asking about you're trying to run with wine ...
[10:12] <rachet> a program that lets  u install windows programs in linux
[10:13] <rachet> just search on the synaptic
[10:13] <mercurus> wine isn't an entity of its own ... it wraps around whatever you want to run.
[10:13] <vorko> hi, I'd be happy to try the new ubuntu liveCD but does it include LateX ?
[10:13] <mercurus> I'm quite compass as regards wine ... I run MS Office 2000 on my laptop with wine.
[10:14] <vorko> it seems every livecd has stopped supporting it (too big I guess)
[10:14] <Tsjoklat> you do mercurus?
[10:14] <rachet> how do u open a program ? do u type this : wine kazaa.exe ?
[10:14] <Tsjoklat> amazing
[10:14] <mercurus> Tsjoklat, these days it almost works out of the box ...
[10:14] <mercurus> rachet, yes.
[10:15] <rachet> but that doesnt work i tried  it
[10:15] <b_e_n_z> rachet, did you setup your wine config?
[10:15] <rachet> no
[10:15] <rachet> how do i do that ?
[10:15] <mercurus> rachet, error ?
[10:15] <Todd_MA_1975> ratchet: you need to use the full path to the program (or be in the directory) wine /home/(user)/.wine/fake_windows/Pr.......
[10:15] <rachet> no errors
[10:16] <Tsjoklat> mercurus do you think the combination of wine/musicmatch would work?
[10:16] <rachet> todd mda 1975: ok im there  what do i do ?
[10:16] <Todd_MA_1975> ratchet: have you run winesetup?
[10:16] <rachet> ye
[10:16] <mercurus> Tsjoklat, musicmatch ?
[10:16] <Todd_MA_1975> ratchet: What directory is your Program In?
[10:17] <Tsjoklat> musicmatch jukebox
[10:17] <Tsjoklat> the only reason why I still have to have winhol I mean windows
[10:17] <rachet> home/donald/.wine/fake_windows/Program Files/MsnSniffer/
[10:17] <mercurus> Tsjoklat, give it a whirl ... not sure how advanced wine's sound support is ... pretty good I would imagine
[10:17] <Tsjoklat> I have tried wine oh a million times but he doesn't like me
[10:18] <Todd_MA_1975> ratchet: for example for me to run Diablo 2 its:   wine /home/todd/.wine/fake_windows/Program\ Files/Diablo\ II/Diablo\ II.exe
[10:18] <Tsjoklat> well if you got MSO to work... I think I will!
[10:19] <Todd_MA_1975> ratchet: In your case wine  home/donald/.wine/fake_windows/Program\ Files/MsnSniffer/<ProgramName.exe>
[10:19] <Tsjoklat> does one want: wine or winesetupk?
[10:19] <skar> how do i configure xsane for use with benq 5000 scanner?
[10:21] <rachet> todd ma 1975: i tried : /home/donald/.wine/fake_windows/Program Files/MsnSniffer/MsnSniffer.exe
[10:21] <rachet> didnt work
[10:22] <Todd_MA_1975> did you put wine in the front of it all? plus you need to escape the space in Program Files
[10:22] <b_e_n_z> i can run mIRC in wine... but it's too slow even on a p4 2.8GHz... so i went back to xchat
[10:23] <bob2> rachet: what does "msnsniffer" do?
[10:23] <Todd_MA_1975> ratchet: wine  home/donald/.wine/fake_windows/Program\ Files/MsnSniffer/MsnSniffer.exe
[10:23] <Tyche> I'm looking for good programs to install. I am understanding Synaptic a lot better now, and would like to use it more.
[10:24] <rachet>  wine  home/donald/.wine/fake_windows/Program\ Files/MsnSniffer/MsnSniffer.exe didnt work
[10:25] <Todd_MA_1975> Ratchet: What was the result?  Do you wine configured to give you an error log?
[10:25] <rachet> ye
[10:25] <Treenaks> rachet: If you want an MSN sniffer, try "ethereal".. it's just a packet sniffer..
[10:25] <Treenaks> rachet: configure it to sniff on the MSN port and it'll decode the packets for you as well
[10:26] <rachet> i want to sniff ip on msn messenger
[10:26] <rachet> whats the msn port ?
[10:26] <bob2> invading people's privacy seems kinda off-topic
[10:26] <rachet> bob2 get lost
[10:26] <Todd_MA_1975> ratchet: it may be that MsnSniffer doesn't work in wine.  But the wine log should give you an idea.
[10:26] <mercurus> bob2, aye ... off-planet perhaps.
[10:27] <Tsjoklat> mercurus.. did you see my question?
[10:27] <bob2> rachet: erm, please don't.
[10:27] <rachet> please dont  what ?
[10:27] <mercurus> Tsjoklat, no ... which one ?
[10:27] <Tsjoklat> if I should get: wine or winesetupk?
[10:28] <Tsjoklat> I am a bit confuzled
[10:28] <mercurus> Tsjoklat, grab wine
[10:28] <Tsjoklat> alrighty ta
[10:28] <bob2> Tsjoklat: wine is the program which runs windows apps
[10:28] <bob2> rachet: please don't go on and on about how you can't run some piece of spyware on linux
[10:28] <Todd_MA_1975> Tsjoklat: you can grab winesetuptk afterwards which is a nice little graphical utilitiy for configuring wine
[10:28] <Tsjoklat> ta bob and mercurus.. wasn't too sure
[10:29] <Tsjoklat> is that what it is for Todd... cool beans, will get that too
[10:29] <Tsjoklat> maybe I can kill my windows box all together if I can get this too work :)
[10:29] <Tsjoklat> I am still hoping there will be something good in linux for coding/ripping/tagging
[10:30] <bob2> Tsjoklat: hm, what feature does MM have that no linux player does?
[10:30] <skar> hi, how do i configure my epson c43ux in gnome for cups?
[10:30] <bob2> skar: have you setup cups to use it?
[10:30] <b_e_n_z> skar, gnome-cups-manager?
[10:30] <Tsjoklat> MM does encoding (mp3pro to mp3 or vice versa) it does tagging it does renaming
[10:30] <klasiphyd> gerard, what kind of video card do you have
[10:30] <Tsjoklat> ok renaming is not a big issue
[10:30] <mercurus> Tsjoklat, how is soundjuicer ?
[10:31] <bob2> Tsjoklat: have you used sound-juicer or grip?
[10:31] <Tsjoklat> encoding I use soundjuicer, whichc I like
[10:31] <Tsjoklat> but tagging is a HUGE problem
[10:31] <Tsjoklat> I use sound-juicer and liking it
[10:31] <bob2> Tsjoklat: none of the 5000 tagging programs in universe work properly?
[10:31] <Tsjoklat> but easy-tag is a nightmare
[10:31] <Tsjoklat> camasomething was horrible
[10:31] <Tsjoklat> 5000? lol did I miss something bob?
[10:31] <mercurus> whee! 10 minutes before I finish downloading 250MB of updates ... on 6.4kbps ISDN ...
[10:32] <Tsjoklat> the problem is really this:
[10:32] <Tsjoklat> I have a lot of European files
[10:32] <Tsjoklat> meaning with funky thingies on the letters
[10:32] <bob2> so you want utf-8?
[10:32] <Tsjoklat> and easy-tag, camasomething don't like it
[10:32] <Tsjoklat> no
[10:32] <Tsjoklat> western
[10:32] <bob2> hrm
[10:33] <bob2> why not utf-8?
[10:33] <Tsjoklat> Wester-ISO-8859-1
[10:33] <Tsjoklat> because it doesn't like the thingies?
[10:33] <Tsjoklat> whenever I tag something in the above progs it looks horrid
[10:33] <bob2> right, most tagging programs puke on utf-8
[10:33] <Tsjoklat> like Sinead O'Conner will look like Sin*)(&(d O'Conner
[10:34] <bob2> erm, isn't her name all ascii?
[10:34] <daniels> bob2: yeah, I have 8859-1, which rhythmbox and my iRiver happily deal with
[10:34] <skar> bob2:nope, how do i configure cups for use with this printer?
[10:34] <Tsjoklat> and for some oddball reason I can't find a linux tagger that will write it correctly
[10:34] <daniels> but the database is ASCII-only, so I just have folder/file navigation until I can be arsed doing transcoding
[10:34] <bob2> skar: http://localhost:631/
[10:35] <Tsjoklat> no only the E in her first name bob
[10:35] <bob2> daniels: ah
[10:35] <Tsjoklat> I was just overdoing it to show my point
[10:35] <Tsjoklat> so I have to do that in MM
[10:35] <skar> bob2:gr8, but when i try to add printer, it asks for username, password and the root and its password doesn't work?
[10:35] <Tsjoklat> then it shows up in nix as ?
[10:36] <Tsjoklat> such as Sin?ad
[10:36] <skar> bob2:what passoword should I use?
[10:36] <Tsjoklat> then I rename that
[10:36] <Tsjoklat> but it is a cow
[10:36] <skar> bob2:what password should I use?
[10:36] <bob2> Tsjoklat: what's your unix system locale set to?
[10:36] <bob2> skar: I don't know
[10:36] <bob2> but I'm sure it's in the wiki
[10:36] <bob2> or faq
[10:36] <Tsjoklat> Wester-ISO-8859-1
[10:37] <bob2> that's not a linux locale
[10:37] <bob2> well, nto that I've seen
[10:37] <Tsjoklat> sorry but that's what I use
[10:37] <mercurus> skar, use your username and password for the system ... if that doesn't work ... you'll have to sudo to change the root passwd and enable the root user ... then login as root, with its new passwd
[10:38] <bob2> Tsjoklat: LANG="Wester-ISO-8859-1"?
[10:38] <Tsjoklat> yes
[10:38] <skar> mercurus:that doesn't seem to be the problem, its saying Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu Computer > System configuration > Printing.
[10:38] <Elwood> any italian?
[10:38] <Tsjoklat> all I want is the box to read funky thingies on letters
[10:38] <Tsjoklat> ah what can I say.. female and estetics
[10:39] <mercurus> skar, then ... use the menus ...
[10:39] <skar> mercurus:so its ubuntu specific and i have to use the gnom print manager like b_e_n_z said
[10:39] <mercurus> skar, yes ... you could re-configure cups manually ... but you might as well use the tools provided :)
[10:41] <Tsjoklat> so I guess I either get MM to work through wine or I'll be stuck with windows for a while :)
[10:41] <Acridien> Tsjoklat: you are never stuck
[10:41] <bob2> Tsjoklat: have you filed bugs on the programs that failed?
[10:42] <Tsjoklat> no I haven't bob and thanks for the encouragement Acridien
[10:42] <bob2> Tsjoklat: please do, so it can be fixed
[10:42] <Tsjoklat> I am a bit reluctant to file a bug report... my English isn't that great
[10:42] <Tsjoklat> and I worry the reader will not understand a dooda what I am trying to say
[10:43] <bob2> your english seems fine
[10:43] <bob2> they can always just ask you to clarify
[10:43] <Tsjoklat> as long as I don't have to type difficult words bob
[10:43] <Tsjoklat> and how do I go about filing a bug report?
[10:44] <Tsjoklat> I need an acount of some sort?
[10:44] <bob2> yeah, unfortunately
[10:45] <Tsjoklat> well I'll give it another go and if the problem insist I will tackle the bug report ordeal
[10:45] <Tsjoklat> but first I am going to try wine
[10:46] <Tsjoklat> if that doesn't work out... is there any tagging prog you would recommend?
[10:47] <WizkidNO> Can i ask a question abount Ubuntu install here ?
[10:47] <bob2> I use a program I wrote
[10:47] <bob2> WizkidNO: yes
[10:47] <WizkidNO> Thnxs
[10:48] <b_e_n_z> WizkidNO, you can do whatever you want... there is no op here
[10:48] <WizkidNO> Well i DL the I386 version and when i get to whats supose to be the install menu everythink is like the moitor is out of sync
[10:48] <WizkidNO> Ok
[10:48] <bob2> b_e_n_z: there are plenty of ops
[10:48] <Tsjoklat> well since I take it it is not an option that I marry you or move in with you so I can use your self written prog.. anything else? :P
[10:48] <bob2> and behaviour contrary to the code of conduct will be dealt with
[10:49] <WizkidNO> m tying to install it on a VIA mini-itx
[10:49] <b_e_n_z> WizkidNO, hmm
[10:50] <WizkidNO> i havent tryed to see if i get the same on Debian but i have an old debian install on another hdd, thats fine in Text mode but not X - but thats because i havent configured it up for X -
[10:50] <WizkidNO> The install menu is it X driven ??
[10:50] <b_e_n_z> WizkidNO, no it's not
[10:51] <WizkidNO> Or is there an isu using the little Via mini-itx bords
[10:51] <nevyn> it might be fbcon tho...
[10:51] <WizkidNO> The menu is scripted in som way ? like text mode ?
[10:51] <nevyn> WizkidNO: it's ncurses and dialog or whiptail or something.
[10:51] <WizkidNO> ok
[10:52] <WizkidNO> I still cant figure out why i dont get it up on the screen. on the debian install i ran Console and xf86conf (x) worked fine
[10:54] <WizkidNO> is there another installer or "internet" installer available from somewheree ?
[10:55] <WizkidNO> Any one ??
[10:55] <bob2> I don't think anyone really understands what the problem is...
[10:56] <WizkidNO> hehe :)
[10:56] <WizkidNO> The problem is that i boot from the install cd
[10:56] <WizkidNO> get the menu :  prompt
[10:56] <WizkidNO> hit enter
[10:56] <WizkidNO> and the menu thats supose to appear is all out of sync
[10:56] <WizkidNO> i cant read the text or see the menu
[10:57] <WizkidNO> its like when you have a picture out of sync on an old monitor
[10:57] <bob2> please ask on the ubunut-users list
[10:57] <bob2> colin or someone can prbably tell you a special kernel option to disable the fb
[10:57] <daniels> debian-installer/framebuffer=false
[10:57] <WizkidNO> do you mean the mailing list ?
[10:57] <Todd_MA_1975> WizkidNO: You may also want to try some of the different kernel options when you boot
[10:58] <mrjive> WizkidNO, try with vga=normal
[10:58] <WizkidNO> ok ill try vga=normal first
[11:00] <WizkidNO> on the boot : i typed expert vga=normal
[11:00] <WizkidNO> thats what you ment right
[11:02] <Todd_MA_1975> WizkidNO: I don't think you need the expert just the vga=normal (although not 100% sure as I'm not looking at the boot screen atm)
[11:03] <WizkidNO> MOAHAHHAHA
[11:03] <WizkidNO> the expert  debian-installer/frambuffer=false worked great :)
[11:04] <MeAndU> Is there a way to unload module that i have modeprobe
[11:04] <WizkidNO> Thanks a lot Daiels
[11:04] <WizkidNO> daniels hehe'
[11:04] <bob2> MeAndU: rmmod whatever
[11:04] <b_e_n_z> MeAndU, kernel needs to support unloading modules
[11:04] <daniels> WizkidNO: no worries
[11:04] <daniels> WizkidNO: you shouldn't have to do expert
[11:05] <daniels> WizkidNO: just 'linux debian-installer/framebuffer=false'
[11:05] <mercurus> :) Warty is up :)
[11:05] <MeAndU> ok where can I see already loaded modules
[11:05] <b_e_n_z> MeAndU, lsmod
[11:05] <WizkidNO> Whats the reason for the frambuffer switch to be needed
[11:05] <MeAndU> thanks
[11:05] <b_e_n_z> mercurus, congrats
[11:06] <pao> hi all :-)
[11:06] <pao> which is the best between laptop-net, guessnet, etc.?
[11:08] <Lucy> Hi, I tried logging in Ubuntu this morning but it doesn't accept my password anymore. I made sure I used the rigth one. I'm now using Knoppix to come in here, and my data is still on the harddrive, even though my config for Knoppix has been corrupted. Is it likely to assume I was hacked, and, how do I log into Ubuntu now?
[11:08] <b_e_n_z> Lucy, it's possible that you are hacked...
[11:09] <Lucy> hmm nice
[11:09] <Loki|muh> hi
[11:09] <b_e_n_z> Lucy, boot from knoppix, mount the hd, chroot to the root partition and vipw
[11:09] <Loki|muh> how does ubuntu react standardly to ctrl-alt-del?
[11:10] <Lucy> ok
[11:10] <Pizbit> Loki|muh: Reboots if you're looking at a terminal, in Gnome/X it ignores it
[11:10] <b_e_n_z> Lucy, but in case you are really hacked, you may want to reinstall
[11:10] <magneto> anyone use openbox in here?
[11:11] <Loki|muh> Pizbit: thx
[11:11] <b_e_n_z> Lucy, you never know what kind of rootkits is planted on your hd
[11:11] <Tsjoklat> silly question perhaps.. but how can the box be hacked?
[11:12] <Pizbit> Sounds odd though
[11:12] <b_e_n_z> Tsjoklat, lots of ways...
[11:12] <Pizbit> Tsjoklat: Vulnerability in a program that has external ports open, physical access to the machine, etc
[11:12] <Tsjoklat> like how?
[11:12] <b_e_n_z> Tsjoklat, root password guessing on open ssh ports is one
[11:13] <Pizbit> Tsjoklat: Secretly
[11:13] <Tsjoklat> ah okay
[11:13] <Tsjoklat> I use a router
[11:13] <Lucy> I'd probably do a reinstall, because I lack the knowledge to do any other stuff really. I mean I have backups...
[11:13] <Tsjoklat> that blocks everything
[11:13] <Tsjoklat> Lucy how's the weather in Holland? :)
[11:13] <b_e_n_z> Tsjoklat, well some routers claim they block everything but in fact they don't
[11:13] <Lucy> bad, as usual
[11:13] <Tsjoklat> lol
[11:13] <Tsjoklat> <-- Groningen
[11:14] <b_e_n_z> ubuntu should really have a default firewall of some sort on a fresh install
[11:14] <mirak> mirak_ be original, choose another pseudonyme
[11:14] <Tsjoklat> was just reading an interresting article about viri in linux/mac
[11:14] <Lucy> the thing is, i was running a firewall so that wasn't much use obviously
[11:15] <b_e_n_z> Lucy, what is your firewall blocking?
[11:15] <Lucy> I don't know, I just used the standard settings
[11:15] <b_e_n_z> Lucy, don't you need to configure it?
[11:15] <mirak> Lucy: are the cow healty ?
[11:15] <Tsjoklat> or better yet... write rules
[11:16] <b_e_n_z> yea
[11:16] <Lucy> firestarter didn't require me to configure it, I was running it with a root terminal
[11:17] <Lucy> the sad irony is, I've never been hacked when I was running windows
[11:17] <Tsjoklat> just bad luck lucy
[11:17] <b_e_n_z> Lucy, lots of people say that... but how do you know your windows box wasn't hacked
[11:18] <Lucy> ok, good point benz...
[11:18] <daniels> i doubt you have actually been cracked, you know
[11:18] <Tsjoklat> you  just don't see it as fast in windows
[11:18] <Pizbit> Lucy: Were you messing around with keyboard mappings at all before logging out?
[11:19] <Lucy> no pizbit
[11:19] <b_e_n_z> Lucy, wait a min... you said you cannot login as root?
[11:20] <Lucy> there is no root in ubuntu, I can not log in at startup
[11:20] <b_e_n_z> Lucy, i thought ubuntu uses sudo -s
[11:20] <Tsjoklat> she can't log in
[11:20] <b_e_n_z> Lucy, so you tried to login as a regular user...?
[11:20] <Lucy> yes
[11:20] <b_e_n_z> Lucy, oh then i misunderstood
[11:20] <Pizbit> Lucy: Tried to login at the console too?
[11:21] <Lucy> I don't think I get to see a console at ubuntu startup
[11:21] <Pizbit> Lucy: ctrl+altF1
[11:21] <Tsjoklat> you can stop xserver
[11:22] <Pizbit> Tsjoklat: It'll restart automatically
[11:22] <Tsjoklat> do it three times and it won't :P
[11:22] <Pizbit> Lucy: Try it just in case something in X/gdm is screwy
[11:22] <b_e_n_z> ctrl-alt-F1,F2 etc will get your a console
[11:22] <Pizbit> Tsjoklat: Why bother when you can just use ctrl+alt+F# ?
[11:22] <Tsjoklat> because I want to do stuff in X
[11:22] <Tsjoklat> as in changing
[11:22] <Tsjoklat> and it is better if it is not running
[11:23] <Pizbit> Tsjoklat: Erm, we're not changing x at all here, we're just seeing if it could be at fault
[11:23] <Tsjoklat> I am not saying we are changing it
[11:23] <Tsjoklat> or Lucy in this case
[11:23] <Lucy> You guys are really nice, but at my stage, the moment I can't log in from my GUI, that's the end of the road.
[11:23] <b_e_n_z> Lucy, why
[11:24] <Pizbit> Lucy: Just try logging in at console, if you can there might be something else to try to sort out the gui, if not then, well, yeah:)
[11:24] <daniels> Lucy: what country do you live in, and which language have you selected?
[11:24] <daniels> Lucy: if you type your password in the username field, does it show up properly?
[11:24] <b_e_n_z> Lucy, boot to knoppix, mount the hd, chroot to the root partition and passwd <user> to change that user password
[11:24] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: join #ubuntu-nl then ;)
[11:24] <Tsjoklat> oh there is that? :) :)
[11:24] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: yes :)
[11:25] <Tsjoklat> great! thanks
[11:25] <Lucy> everything shows up properly, just that it switches back to username after I put in the password
[11:30] <Kamion> huh, *nobody* suggested to Lucy that she boot in recovery mode?
[11:30] <Tsjoklat> well Lucy buzzed off before 'anybody' had a chance
[11:31] <klasiphyd> yeah.. you dropped the ball on that one kamion.. where were you
[11:33] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: not really, she was here for plenty of time
[11:33] <Kamion> klasiphyd: asleep :-)
[11:33] <Tsjoklat> I think we were all trying to help her Kamion
[11:33] <Tsjoklat> excuse me for not suggesting the right thing at the right time
[11:34] <daniels> Kamion: heh, wake up earlier :P
[11:34] <daniels> Kamion: i got to layout issues but haven't been paying much attention to IRC (at least not for any sustained period of time)
[11:34] <Tsjoklat> wb mercurus
[11:35] <ketek> salut
[11:37] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: not having a go at you, just surprised at a simple option not being suggested and suggesting that people remember it when helping people in future, that's all :)
[11:38] <Tsjoklat> well I didn't think of what you suggested Kamion
[11:38] <Tsjoklat> I suppose being up at three in the morning will do that to you
[11:38] <mirak> mirak_ change your nick
[11:38] <mirak> mirak_ change your nick
[11:39] <daniels> mirak: nick collisions happen.  please don't repeat, and please try to be respectful as well.
[11:44] <ketek> Ubuntu, what a wonderfull distribution...
[11:47] <cef> heya daniels
[11:50] <daniels> cef: yo
[11:57] <nevyn> daniels: evening.
[11:59] <daniels> nevyn: sup
[12:01] <MeAndU> I need to load module lm92 but it says module not found where can i get this module
[12:03] <nevyn> daniels: nommuch..
[12:03] <nevyn> daniels: I did the entire unix courseware monday..
[12:03] <nevyn> the teacher was impressed.
[12:04] <nevyn> 9 minutes for the final exam.
[12:06] <gruberman> lo
[12:07] <nevyn> hello.
[12:09] <gruberman> starfighter is dangerous
[12:09] <daniels> nevyn: heh
[12:09] <gruberman> cant stop playing it
[12:09] <gruberman> why all thos games in the reps :)
[12:12] <ntoll> hey, is PHP5 available for Ubuntu? looking around on the net doesn't give me any joy and the ubuntu site doesn't contain any information that I can easily find! :-(
[12:13] <gruberman> only php4 in the rep
[12:14] <ntoll> yeah, I know, I was wondering about PHP5 though :-)
[12:14] <gruberman> yes, an I said only php4 in the rep :)
[12:15] <ntoll> jeese, its like getting blood from a stone here :-P but where can I find out about plans for PHP5 in ubuntu - timeline, testing packages etc etc
[12:15] <Treenaks> ntoll: php is evil and wrong ;) but probably hoary
[12:15] <Kamion> PHP5 isn't part of our core system, so it'll likely appear whenever Debian gets it
[12:16] <Treenaks> if it's in Debian now
[12:16] <Kamion> it's not
[12:16] <gruberman> Treenaks: you use python? :)
[12:16] <Treenaks> gruberman: sometimes.. learning..
[12:16] <Treenaks> gruberman: I'm more of a Perl person
[12:16] <ntoll> and I can't grab a .deb for debian SID (for example) and try it on Warty?
[12:17] <gruberman> Treenaks: perl makes me blind
[12:17] <Todd_MA_1975> ntoll:  Have you tried www.dotdeb.org?
[12:17] <Treenaks> gruberman: The perl I'm cleaning up here at work makes me deaf, dumb AND blind ;)
[12:18] <ntoll> Todd_MA_1975: aha, I didn't know about that site. I'll check it out. Thanks for that
[12:18] <gruberman> Treenaks: Seems to be like masturbation - except the joy at the end ;)
[12:19] <Treenaks> gruberman: 8)
[12:19] <ntoll> Treenaks: PHP=evil? and you code in Perl? Crickey, I'd rather code in Klingon (K++) :-)
[12:19] <MeAndU> modprobe lm92 says module not found where can i get this module
[12:20] <Treenaks> ntoll: at least perl can run stand-alone, without a webserver running ;)
[12:20] <ntoll> Quite, but then PHP is a Hypertext Pre-processor :-P
[12:21] <mojo_> hi all ppl
[12:21] <mojo_> any here that has WineX (Cedga) works under Ubuntu???
[12:23] <mojo_> I try to use alien to convert the RPM of Cedega
[12:23] <mojo_> and install it
[12:23] <mojo_> but it doesn't work
[12:23] <mojo_> can someone help me out? I need a working debian version of Cedega
[12:23] <mojo_> please help
[12:23] <Todd_MA_1975> mojo_ transgaming offers it in a deb.
[12:23] <mojo_> really???
[12:24] <Todd_MA_1975> I think that's how I did it....
[12:24] <Todd_MA_1975> Yeah.... It is....
[12:24] <vrln> mojo_: Cedega is available as a .deb too
[12:24] <mojo_> todd_ma: I chat private with u
[12:24] <vrln> mojo_: but it's not free software
[12:24] <mojo_> really???
[12:24] <vrln> this channel isn't going to help you pirate it :)
[12:24] <mojo_> I cant find any .dev
[12:25] <Todd_MA_1975> Yeah
[12:25] <mojo_> only tar.gz
[12:25] <vrln> (if that is what your asking)
[12:25] <mojo_> not really
[12:25] <mojo_> CVS is ok with me too
[12:25] <vrln> mojo_: the transgaming site has .deb:s
[12:25] <mojo_> I just need WineCVS run my War3
[12:26] <vrln> war3 runs with normal wine too
[12:27] <mojo_> I did run war3 with normal wine but the performance is even worse than the WineX 3.0 I used b4
[12:28] <Elwood> nothig works with wine on my pc
[12:28] <mojo_> wine is quite buggy here too
[12:28] <Elwood> sure :)
[12:32] <gruberman> Todd_MA_1975: wasnt winex free?
[12:32] <Todd_MA_1975> gruberman: You can get the CVS snapshot free...
[12:34] <plovs_work> Todd_MA_1975, you know how to build winex from cvs?
[12:34] <Pizbit> gruberman: Only if you got it from cvs and even then you were missing the cool stuff
[12:35] <Todd_MA_1975> From the website:
[12:35] <Todd_MA_1975> To checkout a new CVS respository:  cvs -d:pserver:cvs@cvs.transgaming.org:/cvsroot login When prompted for the password enter "cvs" cvs -z3 -d:pserver:cvs@cvs.transgaming.org:/cvsroot co winex
[12:35] <Todd_MA_1975> I think frankscorner.org has further instructions.
[12:35] <gruberman> Pizbit: i don't care. I have xp for gaming (not that I play any games)
[12:35] <Todd_MA_1975> I opted to subscribe and got the debs
[12:37] <Todd_MA_1975> http://www.frankscorner.org/index.php?p=cedegacvs
[12:37] <gruberman> Pizbit: And nothing is more fun than starfighter anyways :)
[12:37] <plovs_work> Todd_MA_1975, we need a howto for wine-cvs and winex-cvs for the wiki, you any good at writing?
[12:38] <Todd_MA_1975> I like to think that my tech-writing days are over... not my favorite thing
[12:38] <linux_galore> franks corner has lots of info on hacking wine to get stuff working
[12:47] <ffddsfds> can someone help me !!
[12:47] <mojo_> I know Frank Corner
[12:47] <mojo_> just speak out mr.ffddsfs
[12:47] <mojo_> just speak out mr.david333
[12:48] <mojo_> wondering are there any female Linux users here?
[12:48] <david333> >mojo< i am getting a keyboard error when login remotely
[12:48] <mojo_> david333: if u can give us some error msg
[12:49] <mirak> hi
[12:49] <mirak> how to activate the arborescence at the left in nautilus ?
[12:49] <david333> Error activating XKB configuration.
[12:49] <david333> Probably internal X server problem.
[12:50] <david333> >mojo< Probably internal X server problem.
 Error activating XKB configuration.
[12:51] <mojo_> XKB
[12:51] <mojo_> ah!
[12:51] <mojo_> I know this bug
[12:52] <mojo_> this bug happens the same with Fedora CORE 2 beta
[12:52] <mojo_> I think this is a bad luck for u david333
[12:52] <mojo_> there are lots of discussion on X.org board about this
[12:52] <mojo_> it's fixed in Fedora CORE 2
[12:52] <mojo_> but I don't think it's fixed in Warty yet
[12:54] <tuxx> Hi kapputu
[12:55] <david333> is it a problem eith xfree86?
[12:56] <adrian24> Does anyone know where one could find a package list of this distro?
[12:56] <adrian24> I'm running debian at the moment, and I'd like to see what I'll have to go to universe for
[12:57] <mojo_> david333: yes
[12:57] <tuxx> Software in the "multiverse" component has not been determined to be Free Software
[12:57] <david333> how was it solved in fedora core 2 ??
[12:57] <tuxx> What would that be for instance?
[12:58] <tuxx> (from Ubuntu website)
[12:59] <adrian24> actually, I'm utilise free software, just not the common stuff.
[12:59] <adrian24> maths, and electronics software, octave and the geda suite
[12:59] <adrian24> sometimes lyx
[12:59] <nevyn> latex ;)
[12:59] <adrian24> it rocks!
[01:00] <phin> correct me if im wrong, but did i see something about a splash screen during my last dist update?!
[01:00] <phin> it complained it didnt have a graphic file or something??
[01:00] <nevyn> I've learned LaTeX in the last 4 months... it's very neat
[01:00] <nevyn> I should hack on listings.sty to handle scope.
[01:00] <adrian24> I've never really delved into it the source level,
[01:01] <nevyn> so when you're printing assignments for grading it understands function scopes.
[01:01] <adrian24> lyx does most of it fine, but sometimes when things go wrong, its best to break out vim
[01:01] <nevyn> adrian24: apt-get install vim-latexsuite
[01:01] <nevyn> :help latex-counters
[01:01] <nevyn> and folding of latex docs in vim.
[01:01] <adrian24> hmmm - thanks, that'll be useful
[01:02] <Kamion> tuxx: e.g. mplayer
[01:03] <Kamion> hm, let's take a less controversial example
[01:03] <Kamion> tuxx: e.g. anything in Debian non-free - say, gs-aladdin
[01:03] <tuxx> Kamion I just found the acroread in the rep. very nice
[01:03] <mojo_> ahrh..why DivX doesn't fully supprt Linux
[01:04] <nevyn> tuxx: acroread is worse than Xpdf imho
[01:04] <nevyn> mojo_: it's not that exactly.
[01:04] <mojo_> then??
[01:04] <nevyn> mojo_: it's more there are patent encumberances which mean no commercial entity can ship them.
[01:05] <mojo_> i c
[01:05] <adrian24> gpdf has a very nice UI, but has a heart attack when loading some files.
[01:05] <nevyn> any organisation that wants to do business in the states can't ship them.
[01:06] <tuxx> nevyn I've testetd gv, xpdf and some other readers including acroread. Acroread beats'em all my severel "meters"
[01:06] <tuxx> my/by
[01:06] <nevyn> hrm space to pagedown.
[01:07] <tuxx> nevyn compatibillity - many pdf's look ugly and unreadable in eg. gv and xpdf. Those can be displayed perfectly within acroread. Also gv won't print on my system. Needless to say Acroread does that perfectly
[01:08] <nevyn> my pdf's work in xpdf perfectly.
[01:08] <tuxx> nevyn I've came across some that doesn't
[01:08] <nevyn> pdf's generated from latex work ;)
[01:08] <sladen> tuxx: in terms of quality, mupdf often beats the acroread engine
[01:09] <tuxx> nevyn tell that to my bank, my cityhall etc. where I recieve bills etc. in PDF :-)
[01:09] <tuxx> sladen I haven't tried that one. I'll test it :)
[01:09] <nevyn> sladen: what uses the engine?
[01:09] <nevyn> s/the/that/
[01:10] <sladen> nevyn: ?
[01:10] <nevyn> mupdf?
[01:10] <sladen> nevyn: mupdf uses the mupdf engine
[01:13] <anders_> I fixed my soundblaster extigy. I had only a crappy mixer with pcm1 and pcm2, now I have full OSS and ALSA mixers. Seems like the module audio conflicted with snd_usb_audio, blacklisting "audio" fixed it. Should I make a bug report or anything?
[01:13] <gruberman> gah.. starfighter is broken
[01:15] <jay__> yea ubuntu on dual processor machine
[01:15] <jay__> woohoo
[01:17] <pikota> hi
[01:17] <Todd_MA_1975> gruberman starfighter is working for me
[01:17] <pikota> when i run gnome-terminal
[01:17] <pikota> unable to create child process
[01:18] <pikota> can anyone help me ?
[01:21] <nevyn> sladen: is it Free?
[01:22] <Pizbit> anders_: You on the userlist?
[01:23] <phloww> hi all
[01:23] <anders_> Pizbit: yes, haven't posted anything yet though
[01:24] <phloww> question: i set the root passwd but gdm still refuses to log in as root. whats the problem?
[01:25] <anders_> Pizbit: ok, I'll try to open a bug then
[01:25] <Pizbit> anders_: Just report fully what you did and whatnot
[01:25] <Treenaks> phloww: you should not use X as root
[01:26] <Pizbit> phloww: gdm has root login disabled by default
[01:26] <phloww> treenaks: i know, its just a "backup" solution
[01:26] <Treenaks> phloww: there's single-user boot mode for that
[01:26] <tuxx> Any of u who play UT2004 on Ubuntu ?
[01:27] <phloww> pizbit: thx
[01:27] <anders_> Pizbit: ok, I did "update.rc discovery remove" also because I suspected discovery of loading the audio module, but I don't know if that's related
[01:27] <mercurus> just out of interest, I understand why legally dubious packages are not included with Ubuntu ... but is including a commented-out entry in the apt sources file beyond the legally practicable ?
[01:27] <tuxx> I'm interested in knowing whether the standard retail version includes the Linux version or not
[01:28] <mercurus> tuxx: there isn't a "standard retail version" as such ... just Warty ... which is free
[01:28] <Pizbit> mercurus: The commented out bit is only the universe repository and not what you're thinking of.
[01:28] <tuxx> mercurus I'm talking ut2004, not Ubuntu :-)
[01:28] <anders_> Pizbit: "discover" that was
[01:29] <mercurus> Pizbit: I know ... but is it too legally dubious to include a link to the legally dubious package source ?
[01:29] <udo> any tipps on tuning spammassassin? my successrate after WEEKS of training still sux bigtime
[01:29] <anders_> Pizbit: but I think it's unrelated so I'll leave it out
[01:29] <Pizbit> anders_: *shrug* Just put it all in and say you're not sure if it did anything or not, someone who knows might comment.
[01:29] <anders_> Pizbit: ok
[01:30] <Todd_MA_1975> phloww: If you insist on using X/gnome as root, it can be enabled by running gdmsetup.
[01:30] <Pizbit> mercurus: *shrug* The decision to get the packages, add the respository is all down to the individual so I would say not really
[01:31] <sladen> nevyn: yes, it is GPL
[01:32] <sladen> nevyn: most people have not heard of x11ps either (which is a BSD PostScript interpreter)
[01:32] <tweaked> Hey can someone help me?
[01:33] <tweaked> It is for mounting a hard drive
[01:33] <tweaked> everytime i go to mount it is say already been mount or dictory is busy
[01:34] <tweaked> any ideas?
[01:34] <phloww> todd: thx
[01:34] <phloww> i decided to not allow root x-sessions
[01:34] <tweaked> Any one?
[01:36] <tweaked> Hello
[01:37] <Todd_MA_1975> tweaked what is the full command you are using?  a plain mount will show everything that is currently mounted
[01:37] <tweaked> i am using sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/1st
[01:38] <Treenaks> try pmount..
[01:38] <tweaked> instead of mount?
[01:39] <Treenaks> tweaked: yes
[01:39] <Treenaks> you won't need sudo then
[01:39] <Treenaks> man pmount
[01:39] <tweaked> Error: '/' must not occur in label name
[01:39] <tweaked> that is what it said
[01:40] <Treenaks> tweaked: yes.. yuo give a label
[01:40] <Treenaks> the "name" pmount will use under /media/
[01:40] <tweaked> lable to the hard drive?
[01:40] <Treenaks> tweaked: no! the name you want it to have.. read the pmount man page
[01:41] <sjoerd> pmount only works on removable stuff, not normal harddisks
[01:41] <Treenaks> tweaked: mount /dev/hdb1 whatever will mount it as /media/whatever
[01:41] <tweaked> do you have the link?
[01:41] <tweaked> ok i will try that
[01:41] <Treenaks> tweaked: yes, just type "man pmount"
[01:42] <tweaked> in the media folder i need to make a dictory or a folder?
[01:43] <Treenaks> tweaked: pmount will do that for you
[01:43] <tweaked> or do i need to typr man pmount /dev/hdb1 /media
[01:43] <tweaked> is that right
[01:43] <Treenaks> no no no
[01:43] <Treenaks> man pmount = the pmount manual page
[01:43] <fluxy> Hello. I am looking for a list of hardware supported by Ubuntu. Can anyone please help me?
[01:43] <Treenaks> read it. it'll tell you how to start pmount.
[01:44] <tweaked> do you have a link to the page?
[01:45] <Treenaks> tweaked: just type 'man pmount', that will show you the manual!
[01:45] <Todd_MA_1975> fluxy: There is not a specific list that I know of.  Googling is a good idea.  What are you specifically concerned about?
[01:45] <Treenaks> tweaked: no "page"
[01:47] <linux_galore> fluxy: mandrake site has a Linux hardware list I use that sometimes....
[01:48] <noneus> suse has one too. it's great.
[01:48] <linux_galore> someone should do a linux-hardware.org site
[01:48] <Treenaks> there is one..
[01:49] <linux_galore> yeah but is it generic
[01:49] <linux_galore> often hardware is listed as supported but only set features work not everything
[01:50] <Treenaks> hm.. it could be a good idea..
[01:50] <noneus> when i'm looking around if hardware works on linux i check some forums.
[01:50] <noneus> the best way the find out if the hardware works without any problems
[01:51] <fluxy> thanks everyone
[01:51] <Treenaks> I tend to use google..
[01:51] <Treenaks> and I have some pages on my site that explain how to use weird hardware that I couldn't find on google
[01:51] <Treenaks> (http://foodfight.org/linux/)
[01:52] <tweaked> that did nto help one bit
[01:54] <Treenaks> tweaked: what? the manual page?
[01:54] <tweaked> yes i tried and it did not work
[01:54] <tweaked> the hd is in linux format
[01:55] <tweaked> but it is not auto decting it
[01:55] <Treenaks> tweaked: what's the error?
[01:55] <tweaked> Error: could not determine real path of the device: No such file or directory
[01:56] <tweaked> do i need to make a directory?
[01:59] <callisto> hi
[01:59] <tweaked> Treenaks: Have any idea?
[02:00] <ud> Hi, I need the X Window System libraries and headers to compile some source can anyone tell me what I need to apt to get these?
[02:01] <cardador> ud: use synaptic and search for what you want
[02:02] <mjr> xlibs-dev, likely
[02:02] <cardador> ud: computer > syst conf > synaptic
[02:02] <ud> no ill stick with the commandline :)
[02:02] <ud> ill do a apt-cache search
[02:02] <tweaked> Teenaks: Are you there
[02:03] <cardador> ud: then use smt like apt-cache search
[02:03] <ud> ok thanks :)
[02:03] <cardador> ud: :D
[02:08] <defendguin> i just updated lvm via apt and now nautilus wont start up
[02:10] <omar> has anyone tried installing the 2.6.9 kernel with ubuntu??
[02:10] <tweaked> Can someone else help me on mounting a harddrive?
[02:10] <GotD0t> how do i burn a dvd iso?
[02:11] <defendguin> GotD0t, man growisofs
[02:11] <omar> GotDot: use k3b to burn a dvd iso!!
[02:11] <tweaked> Any one know how to mount a harddrive
[02:11] <GotD0t> k3b doesn't like me
[02:11] <GotD0t> never sees my drive
[02:11] <defendguin> omar, k3b on ubuntu == mess
[02:11] <GotD0t> thank you defendguin
[02:11] <omar> GotDot: trust me it works i used it yesterday to burn dvd and cd
[02:12] <GotD0t> it works on YOUR system omar
[02:12] <omar> GotDot: make sure  you sudo k3b it works better that way
[02:12] <omar> tweaked: sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hd
[02:13] <defendguin> hmmmm more gnome apps are stuck
[02:13] <tweaked> did that said it was already mounted or directory is busy
[02:13] <omar> so has anyone installed the 2.6.9 kernel yet??
[02:15] <omar> tweaked: what drive you trying to mount?
[02:15] <omar> tweaked: you have more than one physical drive in your system?
[02:15] <defendguin> uggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg none of my gnome apps work now
[02:16] <tweaked> a harddrive, slave
[02:16] <tweaked> yes
[02:16] <defendguin> what a brilliant update
[02:16] <omar> <defendguin: corrupted system huh?
[02:16] <omar> tweaked: you have to chown the 2nd drive
[02:16] <tweaked> how do i do that
[02:16] <omar> tweaked: then format it
[02:16] <defendguin> its probably a gconf or some other setting
[02:16] <mercurus> hmm ... I have an odd situation ... specifically .. I can't boot my shiney new Ubuntu system, citing what appears to be a kernel panic on boot ...
[02:17] <mercurus> yet it boots fine with the recovery mode ...
[02:17] <Treenaks> mercurus: flaky hardware that isn't always flaky?
[02:17] <Treenaks> mercurus: are you overclocking?
[02:17] <mercurus> mount is dying with an odd error, that seems to occur frequently on google's database ... without many solutions
[02:17] <mercurus> Treenaks, no, and no.
[02:18] <omar> tweaked: chown /dev/hdb user:user
[02:18] <mercurus> it could be NFS related ... I've just disabled NFS and I'm rebooting
[02:18] <sjoerd> omar: that's very very stupid
[02:18] <mercurus> yeo ... that's the problem.
[02:19] <theine> is anybody else getting ``** (process:6852): CRITICAL **: file eggdesktopentries.c: line 2223 ...'' when doing dpkg-reconfigure of some packages?
[02:19] <mercurus> booting up nicely now ... and the mount error was correct, although it wasn't mounting any NFS mounts at boottime ... it didn't like it at all.
[02:19] <omar> <sjoerd: its just to get him access to the 2nd drive for now
[02:19] <mercurus> I was trying to use the nfs-kernel-server package
[02:20] <kent> theine, i have that aswell, but I have not seen any real errors in normal use of my computer.
[02:20] <mercurus> anyone here successfully using NFS kernel server ?
[02:20] <sjoerd> omar: no reason to throw all security completely overboard
[02:20] <defendguin> hmmmm even the gnome logout util isnt working
[02:20] <omar> sjoerd : I meant user as his username not general user
[02:22] <sjoerd> omar: that doesn't matter.. all his process now have raw access to the drive
[02:22] <tweaked> thanks for your help
[02:22] <omar> sjoerd: You are right no arguments there
[02:22] <udo> how long do i have to train spamassassin until it does not suck any longer?
[02:22] <theine> kent: are you running warty or hoary?
[02:27] <Todd_MA_1975> theine: yes I am - in HOary haven't bothered to investigate yet though
[02:32] <helkanaur> Hmm.. I'm having some trouble with mounting a harddisk.. The filesystem is fat32, and I have done 'mount -t vfat /dev/hdb5 /mnt/media
[02:32] <helkanaur> But the folder /mnt/media is empty
[02:32] <kent> theine, warty.
[02:32] <kent> theine, sorry for not responding sooner, i didnt watch the irc-window..
[02:35] <helkanaur> Hmm.. and when i do 'mount', it says '/dev/hdb5 on /mnt/media type vfat (rw)' at the bottom. So it's there..?
[02:36] <defendguin> well at least xchat and gaim settings arnt stored in gconf
[02:39] <dob> hi
[02:40] <dob> if there is a security problem on universe what happen ? the package is updated as soon as possible?
[02:40] <tseng> nope.
[02:41] <dob> what happen then?
[02:41] <tseng> nothing, its unsupported
[02:41] <dopey> unless my understanding of universe is flawed, it'd be up to whomever was maintaining that package repository to do the security updates
[02:41] <tseng> there is no maintaining
[02:41] <tseng> warty is frozen
[02:41] <Mithrandir> we will do updates as time and resources permits, but it's certainly not a priority.
[02:42] <gpart> hi
[02:42] <Mithrandir> if we get a patch and are pointed to one, there are certainly chances we'll apply it.
[02:43] <Tsjoklat> I wish when I update synaptic it would stop giving me errors about the repositories
[02:43] <gpart> i want to install ubuntu on a pc, without any internal hard-disk. is it possible to install it on a usb-attached disk?
[02:43] <dob> ok i understand
[02:44] <mvo_> Tsjoklat: what errors does it give you?
[02:44] <Tsjoklat> mvo_ unable duplicate something
[02:44] <savuziil> how can i share folders to my network with ubuntu
[02:44] <Tsjoklat> I only have that when I enable universe
[02:45] <Tsjoklat> as soon as I  uncheck it it stops doing it
[02:45] <mvo_> you probably have two "main" sections in your sources
[02:45] <Tsjoklat> what does that mean?
[02:46] <savuziil> could anyone tell me how to share folders in linux? (i'm new to linux)
[02:46] <mvo_> Tsjoklat: if you just add "universe" after the current "main restricted" entry it should work
[02:46] <Tsjoklat> I followed the instructions on the wiki page
[02:47] <Tsjoklat> saying it should be: universe multiverse
[02:47] <Tsjoklat> that wrong too?
[02:47] <mvo_> Tsjoklat: that one is correct
[02:47] <Tsjoklat> so I do: main restriced universe multiverse?
[02:48] <Tsjoklat> and remove the two I added?
[02:48] <mvo_> Tsjoklat: that should work, yes
[02:48] <Tsjoklat> the two for universe multiverse
[02:48] <mvo_> Tsjoklat: the problem is usually that you have the same section in more than one entry
[02:48] <Tsjoklat> let me try it out
[02:48] <mvo_> Tsjoklat: ok :)
[02:49] <Tsjoklat> :)
[02:50] <savuziil> could someone tell me how to share folders to my network with ubuntu, or maybe a link that teaches how to do it
[02:50] <mvo_> Tsjoklat: can you please give me the url for the wiki instructions? so that I can check it
[02:50] <Tsjoklat> let me look it up
[02:50] <b_e_n_z> savuziil, what kind of network?
[02:51] <savuziil> both computers have ubuntu installed
[02:51] <b_e_n_z> savuziil, you mean using NFS?
[02:51] <stvn> savuziil: you could opt for nfs
[02:52] <Tsjoklat> Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[02:53] <stvn> Tsjoklat: sudo apt-get update
[02:53] <savuziil> im using a windows network also, i can get files from my win boxes but how can i share folders to the network on ubuntu
[02:54] <stvn> savuziil: install samba
[02:55] <NewGuy> test
[02:55] <savuziil> let me rephrase that i can get files from my win boxes, and i can see my ubuntu boxes, but they have no folders shared, how can i share folders
[02:55] <theine> are there any newer versions of the ubuntu-kernel than 2.6.8.1?
[02:55] <Treenaks> apt-get update ?
[02:56] <NewGuy> could not find requirements or supported hardware list from ubuntu web page. did I miss something?
[02:56] <NewGuy> specific question: does ubuntu come with ipw2100 support out of the box?
[02:56] <Tsjoklat> mvo_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543
[02:56] <spiv> NewGuy: Yes.
[02:57] <theine> NewGuy: Yes!
[02:57] <theine> NewGuy: Although the driver version is a bit outdated
[02:57] <NewGuy> sure? which version?
[02:57] <theine> 0.53
[02:57] <mvo_> Tsjoklat: thanks. does it work now without the error?
[02:57] <Todd_MA_1975> savuziil: /etc/samba/smb.conf -- The config file is pretty well commented with some examples down bottom
[02:58] <Tsjoklat> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:58] <NewGuy> i can live with that. i'll download ubuntu tomorrow...
[02:58] <Tsjoklat> sorry last one
[02:58] <NewGuy> we are talking about a convert from another debian based distro here...
[02:58] <theine> NewGuy: There's a package called ipw2100-source in the universe repository, which is 0.55
[02:59] <NewGuy> don't worry, I'm able to compile it from the source, I'm actuallly hunting for the best distro for my boss.
[03:00] <NewGuy> his card is supported very well, I just would like to use the same distro to give best supo
[03:00] <NewGuy> support
[03:00] <NewGuy> same distro with minimal changes...
[03:00] <NewGuy> i kind of feel that gnome would be better for him than kde...
[03:01] <Tsjoklat> mvo_ do I add universe multiverse also to the security bit?
[03:01] <NewGuy> in the future i would like to convert 2 companies from xp  to penquin.
[03:01] <NewGuy> total of like 50 people...
[03:01] <NewGuy> cool huh?
[03:01] <NewGuy> promises....promises....
[03:02] <b_e_n_z> NewGuy, are you a consultant?
[03:02] <NewGuy> nope, i'm in sales...
[03:02] <NewGuy> the other guys just feel jelaous (or how do you spell it) that i have no problem vith viruses...
[03:03] <b_e_n_z> on linux there's something else called rootkits
[03:03] <NewGuy> we got a corporate rule that virus inspection has to run daily and it has been set up to run at noon... takes up all recources and you can't control it...
[03:04] <Kamion> good excuse to go for lunch. :)
[03:04] <epod> is there a package I can install to get a nice boot-up screen like the livecd has for my Ubuntu install?
[03:05] <NewGuy> i started to use linux to prove that it is possible to use it in business environment, now they want it all.... just gotta have a good support for wireless and bluetooth. + lcd projectors...
[03:05] <iz> epod, do you mean gdm?
[03:05] <epod> iz: no, I mean when the system is actually booting
[03:05] <b_e_n_z> epod, you mean framebuffer splash?
[03:06] <NewGuy> our work time is somewhat flexible and 12o'clock is not actually the understanding of lunch....
[03:06] <epod> iz: the livecd has a nice screen with a bar that moves, I don't want to see all the text scrolling by
[03:06] <iz> aha okay
[03:06] <b_e_n_z> he means bootsplash
[03:06] <NewGuy> go one with supporting other guys, if ubuntu is gonna work on my laptop and on my bosses... then hey, somebody is losing sales. (Mr. B. Gates for example)
[03:07] <wfx> hi, wich one for flash should i install flashplugin-nonfree or flashplayer-mozilla?
[03:07] <epod> maydie
[03:07] <epod> oops
[03:08] <iz> grub-splashimages - a collection of great GRUB splashimages
[03:08] <mvo_> Tsjoklat: I think you should add universe/multiverse as well to the security entry
[03:08] <epod> iz: so that's what I want? cool.
[03:08] <epod> one other thing.  I have an external USB hard disk plugged in, but I have no idea how to find it.  Can anyone help me out? :)
[03:09] <iz> brb must reboot extra harddisk
[03:10] <b_e_n_z> epod, check /dev/sda and mount it
[03:10] <epod> ok,one second
[03:11] <wfx> what does update-grub do
[03:13] <epod> it mounted, but I can't view it as my user account
[03:13] <epod> stupid ntfs.
[03:13] <b_e_n_z> mount it with the proper dmask and fmask options
[03:14] <epod> b_e_n_z, forgive my ignorance, how do I find out what those would be?
[03:15] <b_e_n_z> epod, i normally use dmask=0022,fmask=0022
[03:15] <epod> so then, mount /dev/sda1 -t ntfs dmask=0022 fmask=0022 /mnt
[03:15] <epod> ?
[03:15] <altan> Warning: Locale not supported by C library, locale unchanged <--- I get this on any X app that I start through the command line.
[03:15] <altan> My location is set to Turkey, could that be a reason?
[03:15] <wfx> if i edit the menu.lst why i should use update-grup?
[03:16] <b_e_n_z> epod, mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 -o dmask=0022,fmask=0022 /mnt
[03:16] <Tsjoklat> mvo_ it worked, thanks
[03:16] <Tsjoklat> toodles all
[03:16] <epod> thanks
[03:16] <darkersatanic> wfx: No reason at all to use it in that case.
[03:17] <darkersatanic> wfx: update-grub looks for kernels, and generates a menu.lst entry (actually two entries) for each one.
[03:17] <mvo_> Tsjoklat: jw :)
[03:17] <Tsjoklat> :)
[03:18] <wfx> darkersatanic, thx, so it makes some automatic.
[03:19] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: still here? :P
[03:19] <wfx> why does mplayer-custom depend on xmms?
[03:20] <wfx> wfx version 1:1.0-pre5-0.6ubuntu1
[03:21] <NewGuy> got one more question...
[03:21] <NewGuy> how does ubuntu handle the partitions on install?
[03:21] <NewGuy> automatic? manual?
[03:21] <b_e_n_z> both
[03:22] <NewGuy> i got home (1GB) swap (~500Mb) root ~2Gb prepared on my bosses computer....
[03:23] <NewGuy> + all the other partitions (hda1 for XP and something arount hda8 for fat32)
[03:23] <NewGuy> will it work?
[03:25] <debonzi> Hi all! If you speaks portuguese you can now join the new #ubuntu-pt channel. Cheers
[03:27] <geoff__> please how do you "uncomment" lines in /etc/apt/sources.list to be able to download universe packages? Newbie
[03:28] <mercurus> geoff__: see how there are "#" signs ? remove those on the relevent line
[03:28] <mojo_> geofff: remove the # b4 the line
[03:28] <Todd_MA_1975> geoff:__: sudo nano /etc/apt.sources.list   -- then remove the # signs at the beginning of the lines.  Ctrl-O to save Ctrl-X to exit
[03:29] <debonzi> geoff__, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[03:29] <winkle> Hmmm, any reasons for leaving jabberd2 out?
[03:29] <mojo_> hey man
[03:29] <mojo_> Hoary get new updates
[03:29] <Acridien> winkle: what's that ?
[03:29] <mojo_> now Synaptic works again
[03:29] <mojo_> haha
[03:29] <youpi> hi how to read and write on floppy?
[03:30] <nictuku> is there a ubuntu-way to edit services startup? I know how to change things in /etc/rc?.d, but is there a proper gnome tool for that?
[03:31] <Acridien> winkle: what is jabberd2?
[03:32] <geoff__> thanks guys for your help with "uncommenting" here I go.
[03:32] <nictuku> geoff__:
[03:32] <nictuku> haha
[03:32] <mercurus> Acridien: a chat server ... for jabber clients
[03:32] <nictuku> that was childish
[03:32] <winkle> Acridien: Isn't it obvious from the name? :) Version 2 of the jabber server...
[03:32] <mtearle_> jdub: awake?
[03:33] <nictuku> geoff__: remove # from the beginning
[03:33] <WW> Hello world.
[03:33] <Acridien> winkle: not for the novice in computers
[03:34] <WW> Does anybody here use reStructured Text? (The wiki markup language.)
[03:34] <plovs_work> nictuku, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuBootupHowto services stuff
[03:34] <plovs_work> WW, yes
[03:34] <Acridien> winkle: I know you like to feel superior whenever one have the opportunity
[03:34] <Acridien> winkle: :-D
[03:35] <WW> plovs_work: Hey plovs.  Can it generated numbered lists automatically?
[03:35] <NewGuy> OK, gotta go. another business meeting, I hope next week i'll be able to present my stuff from ubuntu
[03:35] <WW> generate*
[03:35] <nictuku> plovs_work: thank you!
[03:35] <plovs_work> WW, brb
[03:35] <winkle> Acridien: Ehm...
[03:36] <WW> plovs_work: In all the examples I see in the docs, the numbers have been "hard-coded" eg 1. blah blah   2. blah blah
[03:36] <WW> plovs_work: and not 0. blah blah    0. blah blah
[03:36] <Acridien> winkle: what jabber client do you use ?
[03:37] <winkle> Acridien: Gossip.
[03:37] <arun--> i have a pentium 266 MMX with 64 MB ram, and if i am not wrong a 4MB video card (may be 2MB) i am not sure. will ubuntu run on it atleast as a decent workstation?
[03:37] <Acridien> winkle: gush is bugging with ubuntu flash pkg
[03:38] <Acridien> winkle i tried psy that is cool
[03:38] <mercurus> arun--: it will run, but it will be slow ... you'd want to tun off a LOT of the eyecandy, and even consider ditching GNOME for xfce
[03:39] <plovs_work> WW, i have not been able too, and it is nowhere in the official docs, sm is on vacation ask him after the 8th in #zwiki, but i guess not
[03:39] <plovs_work> WW, bummer
[03:39] <arun--> mercurus: thanx, anyway i dont know what to do with that junk
[03:39] <nictuku> I dont get it. why ubuntu starts rsync by default?
[03:40] <ud> Does ubuntu have anything like xv to set root background picture?
[03:40] <mercurus> arun--: it will run, quite adequately once it is loaded ... but it'll take a while to load
[03:41] <mercurus> ud: yes, by default it uses GNOME ... which can tile, center, stretch and so on pixmaps, pngs, bmps, gifs, jpegs, etc. onto the X windows background
[03:41] <WW> plovs_work: Too bad.  I was going to try to reformat the wiki FAQ with reST (using the replace directive to build a "table of contents" by hand in a fairly convenient way), but if reST can even automatically number a list, I won't bother using it.
[03:41] <arun--> mercurus: will give it a try
[03:42] <ud> hmm. when I installed ubuntu I went the custom boot options without gnome
[03:42] <mercurus> arun--: :)
[03:42] <ud> I am using Badwm
[03:42] <ud> so gnome isnt much use to me :(
[03:42] <mercurus> ud: then I'd do an apt-cache search for xv or similar ...
[03:42] <mercurus> you could use wmsetbg or bbsetbg ..?
[03:43] <ud> ill try those as I have already checked for xv and it wasnt found
[03:43] <ud> thanks
[03:43] <arun--> good light weight editor for scripting languages?
[03:43] <epod> can someone direct me to instructions for getting a splash screen for when my system is booting, like the livecd has?
[03:44] <Tyche> Hello
[03:45] <Tyche> I just installed gdesklets and karamba and not sure how to start them....can anyone assist me with this?
[03:45] <youpi> server x doesn't run at boot, radeon 9000, fglrx installed, fglrxconfig done, fglrx start as module, fglrxinfo answer non display 0, what i can do to have server x?
[03:46] <daniels> don't install fglrx.
[03:46] <daniels> your card is fully supported for 3d with the standard drivers
[03:46] <epod> erm... why won't mp3s play.
[03:46] <arun--> daniels, yeah the xfree86 supports is pretty good
[03:46] <youpi> daniels it never runs after my 1st install ubuntu
[03:46] <iz> Tyche, start in user/share/gdesklets gedesklets
[03:46] <daniels> youpi: standard, or fglrx?
[03:47] <seb128> Tyche: for gdesklets, install gdesklets-data en read /usr/share/doc/gdesklets-data/README.Debian
[03:47] <iz> gdekslets
[03:47] <iz> argh
[03:47] <iz> typo
[03:47] <youpi> daniels after install ubuntu, server x crach and after i install fgrlx it always crash
[03:47] <iz> Tyche, do you have install gdesklets-data ?
[03:48] <Tyche> I think so, let me double check on that iz
[03:48] <WW> s/can/can't/  (way back ^^^)
[03:48] <youpi> server x doesn't run at boot, radeon 9000, fglrx installed, fglrxconfig done, fglrx start as module, fglrxinfo answer non display 0, what i can do to have server x?
[03:49] <Tyche> Yes I have the gdesklets-data installed. I will go look at that Readme that seb128 suggested.
[03:49] <iz> yup, you must go to the dir displays later
[03:49] <daniels> youpi: so report a bug against xserver-xfree86 on our bugzilla with /var/log/XFree86.0.log and /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 attached, please
[03:50] <daniels> youpi: fglrx will only make a bad problem worse
[03:50] <youpi> i can remove fglrx ? daniels
[03:51] <plovs_work> WW, we will complain about it during the coming meeting, i feel your pain, i use ReST all the time and the lack of macro's is bad, there is a scripting language but it is diabled
[03:52] <WW> plovs_work: The closest thing to macros that I found is the "replace" directive.  If you haven't tried it, take a look a WikiSandBox.
[03:52] <WW> at*
[03:52] <plovs_work> WW, looking ...
[03:52] <spacey`ki> is the entire package tree available for ubuntu ppc ?
[03:53] <spacey`ki> or only a few?
[03:53] <Todd_MA_1975> epod : http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for your mp3s
[03:54] <youpi> daniels after installed ubuntu xf86log says it can see device, i haven't device ati on xf86config-4, with fglrx it writes the device but alaways crash
[03:54] <daniels> youpi: i would need the full log and configuration file
[03:54] <daniels> youpi: and yeah, remove fglrx, it sucks
[03:55] <plovs_work> WW, ah, yes, nice but i prefer [[TableOfContents] ] 
[03:56] <WW> plovs_work: Me too... much easier.  But will it ever be available?
[03:56] <Telep> daniels: fglrx is the ati driver, yes?
[03:56] <daniels> Telep: the binary ati driver, yes
[03:57] <eruditus> hi
[03:57] <Telep> daniels: any idea whether that could be behind ubuntu freezing often while using OpenOffice?
[03:57] <eruditus> can anyone help me? - I need to setup pppoe during installation...
[03:57] <geoff__> Sorry but how do I delete the #'s to uncomment packages?
[03:58] <Treenaks> geoff__: which editor are you using?
[03:58] <mojo_> geoff__: use a text editor, try Gedit,
[03:58] <Telep> geoff__: with a text editor? You need to have admin privileges, ie. use "sudo"
[03:58] <daniels> Telep: no idea, sorry
[03:58] <eruditus> help...
[03:58] <Kamion> geoff__: you might find it easier to use synaptic's Repositories menu item
[03:59] <Kamion> geoff__: (Computer -> System Configuration -> Synaptic Package Manager)
[03:59] <eruditus> anyone?
[03:59] <Treenaks> eruditus: just ask your question
[03:59] <Kamion> he did
[03:59] <Kamion> 14:57 < eruditus> can anyone help me? - I need to setup pppoe during installation...
[04:00] <kensai> I see the sound bug in hoary for via8235 ac 97' has been fixed can I now safely upgrade to hoary?
[04:00] <eruditus> Treenaks- already have...
[04:00] <Telep> daniels: it's weird, when working in a document in OO, the processor fires up to 100% and the whole gui, keyboard, everything, freezes
[04:00] <daniels> kensai: which part of the 8235 didn't work under hoary?
[04:00] <Kamion> eruditus: you'll need to install the pppoe package by hand; will be a pretty manual process, I'm afraid
[04:00] <Tyche>  GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[04:00] <Tyche> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[04:00] <Tyche> gDesklets 0.26.2
[04:00] <Kamion> eruditus: sorry, I mean pppoeconf
[04:00] <eruditus> Kamion- not a problem - how do I do that?
[04:01] <Kamion> apt-get install pppoeconf
[04:01] <plovs_work> WW, we will beat up the admins one more time
[04:01] <Kamion> eruditus: I think that's how you go about it, anyway; I've never used pppoe myself
[04:01] <eruditus> Kamion- I won't be online - I have no net connection until I get that going...
[04:01] <Kamion> eruditus: actually ... hmm ... pppoeconf is in base
[04:01] <eruditus> Kamion- will that affect the install?
[04:02] <eruditus> Kamion- so I could just run it, right?
[04:02] <Kamion> so it's already installed; try just running pppoeconf
[04:02] <eruditus> Kamion- thanks a lot. Ok - time to install ubuntu a second time :)
[04:03] <Todd_MA_1975> kensai: That was my bugreport - yes it has been fixed.  But I wouldn't say that it is "safe" to upgrade to hoary...It is expected to be painfully unstable over the next few weeks
[04:03] <WW> plovs_work: OK, have fun! :)
[04:03] <kensai> yeah but I mean in audio now is it safe?
[04:03] <plovs_work> WW, :)
[04:04] <kensai> Todd_MA_1975: so I just upgrade and audio will still work?
[04:04] <Todd_MA_1975> kensai: Yes audio is working again....
[04:05] <Tyche> seb128 you there still?
[04:05] <seb128> yes
[04:05] <Tyche> I was able to run gdesklets and now I get this error
[04:05] <Tyche>  GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[04:05] <Tyche> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[04:05] <Tyche> gDesklets 0.26.2
[04:05] <kensai> Todd_MA_1975: SO I won't need to change anything just upgrade and automagically it will be working? SOrry but I'm a newbie in audio for linux and I'm scare it won't work right out of the bopx ;)
[04:05] <Treenaks> Tyche: are you running them as yourself?
[04:06] <Tyche> Treenaks: I am running it in a root terminal
[04:06] <seb128> Tyche: don't run it as root
[04:07] <Todd_MA_1975> kensai: Yes nothing will change in the upgrade.  The problem was with an upgraded discover package which was fixed.    But be fair warned it is really not recommended to be running Hoary unless you are prepared to have things break.
[04:07] <kensai> Todd_MA_1975: you mean some programs break?
[04:07] <Tyche> Seb128: Okay I tried that and I get no errors. Do I need to edit the display first? Sorry, new to all of this.
[04:08] <Treenaks> Tyche: don't do that.. run it as yourself
[04:08] <kensai> Todd_MA_1975: well thats the price of debian unstable but I really like debian unstable so I'll try. Thanks For everything Todd
[04:08] <seb128> Tyche: no, just keep it running and click on some display in /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays
[04:09] <Tyche> Seb128: I ran: /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/weather-desklet and then I ran  $ gdesklets weather-full.display
[04:09] <Tyche> Oh, okay.
[04:09] <seb128> cd /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/weather-desklet && gdesklets weather-full.display
[04:09] <seb128> that should work too yes
[04:09] <Todd_MA_1975> kensai:  Yes.  All sorts of things have been happening.  Synaptic was broken.  There was/is a drag-n-drop problem.  etc...  Hoary as I understand is much more bleeding edge/unstable than Debian unstable at this point.
[04:09] <wxs> 1.1.20final+cvs20040330-4ubuntu16.2 - can someone please explain to me how a person is supposed to know which version of a piece of software is newer when you use strings like that?
[04:10] <seb128> but you need to get the first "gdesklets" running somewhere, that's the "server" part
[04:10] <seb128> wxs: what's the problem with the version ?
[04:10] <seb128> wxs: 1.1.20 is the released version, updated to the 20040330 cvs tree
[04:11] <seb128> wxs: and -4ubuntu16.2 is the package revision
[04:11] <wxs> so why not leave out the release version - since it isn't a release
[04:11] <wxs> it's a cvs snapshot
[04:11] <whack> I think there should be more versions in your version number
[04:12] <whack> clearly there needs to be atleast 8 kinds of information in it
[04:12] <seb128> wxs: that doesn't work ... we had 1.1.20, and we will have a new version, let's say 1.1.21
[04:12] <Kamion> wxs: dpkg --compare-versions
[04:12] <seb128> wxs: 20040330cvs is not between the 2 tarballs version
[04:12] <Foxfyre> Howdy all
[04:12] <Kamion> "is X less than Y" => 'dpkg --compare-versions X lt Y && echo yes'
[04:13] <Tyche> Seb128: and something should pop open right? I don't see anything...
[04:13] <Foxfyre> So I have this weird x in the middle of my screen, it looks like a cursor x but my cursor works fine - anyone know anything about it and how to get rid of it?
[04:13] <whack> there's a reason we use version numbers and not version paragraphs.
[04:13] <seb128> Tyche: yes. If that doesn't pop look on the gnome-terminel where gdesklets is running the output
[04:13] <wxs> haha
[04:13] <seb128> Tyche: you have kept the first instance running before adding the display, right ?
[04:13] <Kamion> whack: version numbers have to be monotonically increasing; when circumstances make that difficult then the version number tends to inflate to cope
[04:13] <whack> seb128: so why not use a 4 page disertation for the version "number" since dpkg can handle it?
[04:14] <Tyche> seb128: Is there a place I can read up on this, I hate bothering you and I am probably doing some newbie mistake.
[04:14] <whack> Kamion: I'm being serious
[04:14] <Kamion> whack: doesn't look like it
[04:14] <whack> Why stop at 3 different, more-or-less irrelevant numbering systems? Why not add more?
[04:15] <seb128> whack: there is one system
[04:15] <wxs> whack: because complexity will often fool people into thinking it's superior
[04:15] <seb128> whack: apparently you don't get the problem, that's all
[04:15] <mwh_> anyone installed NetworkManager on Ubuntu?
[04:15] <wxs> whoops, did i say that?
[04:15] <seb128> ok, you guys are just trolling, I stop here :)
[04:16] <wxs> *gasp* he's onto us!
[04:16] <daniels> whack: i invite you to send a proposal of any length, as opposed to just 'you suck'
[04:16] <whack> seb128: if by trollling you mean being intrigued why anyone would bother inflating versioning systems to make them look cooler?
[04:16] <whack> seb128: why is cvs date used, for instance?
[04:16] <seb128> whack: because that provides a real information on the date ?
[04:16] <daniels> whack: why would you not use the cvs date?  so people know when it's from.
[04:16] <mirak_-> jeez guys....what did I miss
[04:16] <daniels> whack: otherwise it's impossible to do anything with it
[04:16] <seb128> that's the cvs tree from 20040330
[04:16] <whack> seb128: so does stat(1).
[04:17] <whack> what cvs tree?
[04:17] <Kamion> whack: if you think it's just "to make them look cooler", you're trolling, sorry; there was a technical reason why the version number ended up looking that way.
[04:17] <seb128> whack: the sources of the software
[04:17] <daniels> whack: this is unproductive.  if you aren't going to suggest a concrete alternative, please spend your time thinking of one instead.
[04:17] <whack> seb128: so if it's a release, what's the point of having a cvs date on it
[04:17] <daniels> whack: 'you suck' never gets anyone anywhere, and this is something that has been considered and discussed to death already.
[04:17] <seb128> whack: that's not a release, that's a snapshot of the source
[04:17] <Kamion> whack: it's not a release, it's a snapshot between two releases
[04:17] <wfx> very often is the cdrom busy -> cant open, remove cd. how can i fix this
[04:17] <daniels> whack: it's not a release.  it's a cvs snapshot (taken on the 30th of March, 2004) that lies between two releases.
[04:18] <seb128> :)
[04:18] <daniels> whack: if I gave you a date in time, you wouldn't be able to tell me which version of XFree86/D-BUS/whatever that corresponds to, I'm betting
[04:18] <Foxfyre> Can anyone help me with the rogue X I asked about?
[04:18] <thoreauputic> wfx: get out of the mount point, usually. You probably have a file manager open or something
[04:19] <whack> daniels: 99% of the world doesn't care, nor does it affect or improve things.
[04:19] <daniels> Foxfyre: put 'Option "SWCursor"' in the Device section of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[04:19] <seb128> whack: just don't read the versions so
[04:19] <seb128> whack: update and use
[04:19] <daniels> whack: if it offends your sensibilities, I'm sorry, but there are legitimate reasons why it's being done.
[04:19] <Foxfyre> I'll try that, thanks daniels
[04:19] <wfx> thoreauputic, im not in the cdrom directory( terminal) and none nautilus window is open
[04:20] <Kamion> whack: 99% of the world cares about things working; this arrangement means things work, when they wouldn't otherwise
[04:20] <Tiboz> hey all
[04:20] <Tiboz> i got a problem using rhytmbox
[04:20] <whack> Kamion: becuase you need to build a new package of JoesBadProject every 5 minutes as you can cvs update?
[04:20] <thoreauputic> wfx: something is using the CD-ROM - lsof in a terminal might help
[04:20] <Tiboz> it doesn't play mp3 files, telling me he doesn't have the right codec
[04:21] <Tiboz> how can i change this ?
[04:21] <Todd_MA_1975> Tiboz: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:21] <Tiboz> thanks
[04:22] <wfx> thoreauputic, thx there was a zombi named mplayer that block it ;-)
[04:23] <thoreauputic> wfx: :) problem solved!
[04:23] <Tux234> OK I got a really weird sound problem
[04:23] <Tux234> I can hear sounds from all GNOME apps
[04:23] <Tux234> Except for the sound events
[04:23] <wfx> thoreauputic, yes solved, you got five ;-)
[04:23] <Tux234> Butno sound from games
[04:24] <thoreauputic> wfx :-)
[04:24] <Tux234> plus I don't have /dev/dsp
[04:24] <Tux234> What in the world is going on?
[04:25] <rebirth> i be back
[04:25] <Tux234> Oops almost forgot I did lsmod and I have all the correct modules loaded
[04:26] <Tux234> and sound events are enabled
[04:27] <gorpin> Hello. I've got a problem. I can't access ubuntu web site & ubuntu repositories. apt-get update just hangs.. my internet connection is ok (I can access everything else). Any ideas?
[04:28] <Dekkard> whiprush?
[04:28] <sgtshatta> gorpin: do clean install
[04:28] <Dekkard> gorpin: edit your sources lists in synaptic
[04:30] <Foxfyre> Thanks guys! Worked like a charm
[04:33] <whiprush> Dekkard: yeah?
[04:35] <wfx> thx, and by
[04:36] <gorpin> ok. i'm back. had to reboot (i was writing from my debian/sid system). apt was working properly till yesterday afternoon (CEST). Since then it doesn't and the strange thing is I can't connect to www.ubuntulinux.org
[04:39] <mwh_> what is the prefered way to install hoary?
[04:39] <mwh_> is there special iso's for it?
[04:40] <mwh_> can one upgrade to it from a standard warty?
[04:43] <rapha> Hi all!
[04:43] <Foxfyre> howdy
[04:43] <rapha> Is there a package that contains all patches applied to the 2.6.8.1-2-386 Warty kernel?
[04:45] <deFrysk> linux-i386
[04:45] <gorpin> i just asked my friend to try to connect to ubuntu home page and he couldn't. Does anyone else have this problem?
[04:45] <deFrysk> apt-get install linux-i386
[04:45] <Todd_MA_1975> mwh_: in /etc/apt/sources.list change each warty to a hoary.  However be warned that it is not recommend to run hoary at this time unless you are prepared to have problems.
[04:45] <deFrysk> hoary broke my warty
[04:45] <deFrysk> ;p
[04:46] <rapha> deFrysk: Synaptic doesn't show a "linux-386" package...
[04:46] <mwh_> Todd_MA_1975: I was thinking to install it as a seperate system
[04:46] <Foxfyre> gorpin: I connected fine
[04:46] <rapha> AAAH!
[04:46] <mwh_> Todd_MA_1975: so basically I should install warty and then change sources.list to get stuff from hoary
[04:46] <rapha> Found it! linux-patch-debian
[04:47] <gorpin> Foxfyre: ok.. this is strange :)
[04:47] <Todd_MA_1975> mwh_: OK by me.... yeah do a upgrade after you change the sources list.  New packages are being added fairly often
[04:47] <Foxfyre> gorpin, probably server sync problems, give it an hour or so.
[04:47] <Foxfyre> not sync, I mean dns
[04:47] <Foxfyre> ugh, I need caffeine
[04:47] <gorpin> :))
[04:47] <rapha> Oh boy, that's 1.5 megs of kernel patches.
[04:48] <Todd_MA_1975> gorpin:  you can try doing a tracepath www.ubuntulinux.org to see how far you get
[04:48] <rapha> I want to apply INotify, Software Suspend 2 and Bootsplash. Good luck to me :-)
[04:48] <Foxfyre> Anyone know where to find new themes for the gdm login screen?
[04:48] <mwh_> art.gnome.org
[04:48] <Foxfyre> thanks
[04:49] <mwh_> anyone translate ubuntu? Im looking for a way to start, is there like anonymous cvs to check out the translation files?
[04:49] <Wobbz> can someone please help me.. with a "minor" (i guess) problem :)
[04:49] <edwood> hi
[04:49] <HWolf> msg nickserv set email hc_brugmans@elitemail.org
[04:50] <HWolf> Whoops. :-)
[04:50] <HWolf> ;-)
[04:50] <Wobbz> i cant seem to access root :(
[04:50] <Wobbz> i tried that: sudo password root
[04:50] <Wobbz> and typed in my pass (which didnt actually appear on the screen... classic password terminal style, just Password: and then a blinking box)
[04:50] <mjr> passwd
[04:50] <Wobbz> i typed in my password
[04:51] <Wobbz> logged out, goto login as root (with the password i just set) and it doesnt work?!
[04:51] <Wobbz> ok i think ur right mjr :)
[04:51] <Todd_MA_1975> Wobbz:  GDM doesn't allow root logins by default.....It is not recommended to run X/Gnome as root.
[04:52] <Wobbz> i think i may have to
[04:52] <Wobbz> to setup my wifi card
[04:52] <Wobbz> yay, mjr was right! :) root is working
[04:52] <mjr> no you don't
[04:52] <Wobbz> now can someone help me with my WiFi card? it just plain doesnt work
[04:52] <Todd_MA_1975> Wobbz: you should be able to do everything with sudo
[04:52] <Wobbz> it should be based on the orinoco chipset
[04:53] <Wobbz> (Avaya 802.11b)... silver card
[04:53] <mjr> you can run only some x programs as root
[04:54] <Wobbz> well iwconfig is now letting me set stuff
[04:54] <Wobbz> it was having a cry before
[04:54] <hackeron> Wobbz: did you get it to work in any other linux distributions?
[04:55] <Wobbz> hackeron - i tried knoppix, but it was an older distro (v 3.3, kernel 2.4*)
[04:55] <Wobbz> and no, it didnt work
[04:55] <Wobbz> from my understanding, the orinoco chipset is natively supported by linux
[04:55] <rapha> Indeed
[04:55] <Tyche> where is the file location of nautilis?
[04:56] <rapha> Tyche: eh?
[04:56] <hackeron> Wobbz: there are quite a few wireless drivers out there, and only some distributions have good detection scripts. Ubuntu and debian are useless however. I had my wireless card work on just about any distribution except for on ubuntu and debian
[04:56] <Tyche> Sorry, where is 'nautilus' located?
[04:56] <Tyche> I want to add it to my panel.
[04:56] <rapha> Tyche: type "which nautilus" in a terminal and find out for yourself.
[04:57] <rapha> Tyche: icons are under /usr/share/icons and /usr/share/pixmaps.
[04:57] <Tyche> Didn't know I could do that.
[04:57] <rapha> See, now you do :-)
[05:03] <rapha> Hmm
[05:03] <rapha> How do I unapply the patches made to the Ubuntu 2.6.8.1 kernel sources
[05:03] <rapha> the unapply/debian script is looking for a "version.Debian" file.
[05:04] <Tiboz> why don't you just download the vanilla from kernel.org ?
[05:04] <rapha> Because I already have this one and am on 56k.
[05:04] <Tiboz> oki
[05:05] <Tiboz> that's a good reason ;)
[05:05] <Tiboz> for the patch i don't know, i never did this
[05:06] <rapha> Hmm
[05:07] <jonh> hello
[05:07] <mwh_> Is there any interest in having mono shiped with Ubuntu and in general available as maintained packages?
[05:08] <mwh_> anyone working on this?
[05:08] <mwh_> I ask because im thinking on making some packages of mono
[05:08] <rapha> mwh_: There are mono packages already.
[05:08] <mwh_> rapha: realy
[05:08] <rapha> http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs
[05:09] <rapha> mwh_: And discussions are still going on whether mono should be included; doesn't look too good though :-/
[05:09] <mwh_> ahh
[05:09] <mwh_> I hope so
[05:09] <dasenjo> Hi .. Im downloading warty with jigdo .. and I got the error message: "Aaargh - 69 files could not be downloaded. This should not ..."
[05:10] <mwh_> mono-1.0.1 is in universe now
[05:11] <mwh_> rapha: http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/ doesnt include mono
[05:12] <rapha> Hmm, wierd.
[05:12] <rapha> Let me see
[05:12] <rapha> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[05:12] <rapha> Maybe that then.
[05:13] <rapha> Or it's in universe or multiverse
[05:13] <mwh_> 1.0.1 is in universe
[05:13] <rapha> Those are located at http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/
[05:13] <rapha> But these are all my apt sources.
[05:13] <mwh_> 1.0.4 is about to be released though
[05:13] <rapha> Cool
[05:13] <polytan> salut
[05:13] <rapha> Well, I for one wouldn't mind 1.0.4 packages then.,
[05:14] <rapha> Damn
[05:14] <rapha> I need an Ubuntu developer.
[05:14] <rapha> This kernel patches thing is wierd.
[05:15] <mwh_> bbl
[05:16] <dasenjo> Do anyone know what is happening with the jigdo download ?
[05:17] <deFrysk> rapha, Note that these patches do NOT apply
[05:17] <deFrysk> against a pristine Linux 2.6.8 kernel but only against
[05:17] <deFrysk> linux-source-2.6.8.1_2.6.8.1.orig.tar.gz from the Debian archive.
[05:18] <rapha> deFrysk: Well, I got the kernel sources for Ubuntu out of Synaptic. I would guess these are the patches Ubuntu sources?
[05:19] <edulix> hello !
[05:20] <edulix> I have a dell inspiron 4150 laptop, and if I connect a ps2 mouse to it, touchpad goes crazy !
[05:21] <edulix> if I don't connect an external mouse device, or if I connect a USB mouse, it works well
[05:21] <edulix> (both of them at the same time, the external mouse and the touchpad via synaptics)
[05:21] <kent> edulix, and then you shouldn't connect a ps2 mouse then, should you? ;)
[05:22] <edulix> kent: oh, if happens that I have just a usb port
[05:22] <edulix> so I don't want to waste it with the the usb
[05:22] <kent> edulix, i was just joking. Perhaps it will help if you file a bugreport on ubuntu.
[05:22] <edulix> ok
[05:22] <edulix> I'll do it
[05:23] <edulix> kent: note that this is not only related to ubuntu but also happens in suse 9.1
[05:23] <kent> I have no clue at all what your problem is, im just using it since "it just works" :) I have had no problems at all so far :)
[05:23] <pogik> hi ...
[05:23] <edulix> hi !
[05:24] <SepheeBear> whoa just dist-upgraded, thank you Gods of Ubuntu, this is the best birthday present a boy could ever get ;-)
[05:24] <SepheeBear> lovely artwork
[05:24] <edulix> kent: do you have RAID or LVM?
[05:24] <pogik> after a few days using Ubuntu linux u can't stop feeling happy :) it's just so ... WONDERFULL :)
[05:24] <kent> edulix, nope.
[05:24] <pogik> but i have one question - how can i run gnome config? :((
[05:25] <edulix> kent: something funny is thast even if I haven't got raid nor lvm, both services are activated at boot by default hehe
[05:26] <kent> edulix, the same for me. But I would consider that not a bug, and perhaps maybe just one thing enabled default so other might not get into problem..  just guessing though. Its not a big problem for me, even though maybe my boot-time is lowered by 1 second or so,
[05:26] <SepheeBear> pogik: that's eXACTLY! how I feel about Ubuntu
[05:27] <pogik> SepheeBear ;)
[05:27] <edulix> kent: everything that make the boottime smaller is welcomed to me !. it takes 1:30 to from kenrel loading to gnome loaded in my laptop :)
[05:27] <pogik> it's first distro where everything works without doing some special config :)
[05:28] <pogik> but I have really big problem with that gconf thing (i never used Gnome so i'm a little confused yet :( )
[05:28] <edulix> :P
[05:30] <pogik> can some1 help me please? :(
[05:30] <pogik> I allways get "command not found" error and i'm SURE that i downloaded it wia apt-get
[05:31] <rapha> SepheeBear: did you upgrade to Hoary?
[05:31] <pogik> pogik@pogik:~ $ gconf2 // bash: gconf2: command not found // pogik@pogik:~ $ gconf // bash: gconf: command not foun // and so on :(
[05:32] <kent> pogik, you know that you can type gconf and then use the tab-key to see programs starting with gconf*  so that you know what commands you can run?
[05:32] <pogik> kent everywhere in directory structure?
[05:32] <pogik> aaa!
[05:33] <pogik> i didn't know! :) thanks man!
[05:33] <kent> pogik, yes. if its in your $PATH (all the commands you can run, eg..  /usr/bin/ /bin/ etc..)
[05:33] <kent> pogik, its called tab-completion i think. You can use it in many places in Unix/Linux systems..  its very nice.
[05:34] <pogik> okay, I need to run gconfd-1 first and then gconftool am I right?
[05:34] <kent> pogik, i dont know. Not sure what you are trying to do..
[05:34] <pogik> Kent I'm using always this tab-thing for completing filenames but I didnt realized that it works for some other directories than my current :)
[05:34] <pogik> i'm trying to run some control center :)
[05:35] <kent> pogik, gconf is in Program->system tools (or what ever its called in english)
[05:35] <kent> pogik, most things you can change in gnome are in Computer-Desktop..   (or in other menus on the panel).
[05:36] <Kamion> dasenjo: oh, that's on my list of things to fix, sorry
[05:36] <pogik> no, i have there only: date/time, device manager, gdm settings, printing, resolution, networking, synaptic and users/groups :(
[05:36] <pogik> (don't know how it is named in Engils, I got Czech version
[05:37] <kent> pogik, ive got the swedish language running, :)
[05:37] <pogik> kent nothing with "gnome" or "config" ... :(
[05:38] <kent> pogik, but in Computer on the panel, you do have both Desktop Settings and System settings. Those can change much in gnome.  As for gconf, its in Program->System tools and its probably called something with *config*   It has a red icon.
[05:39] <SepheeBear> how do you take a full res screenshot of a gdm theme, the one in the nested window gets all scrunched up
[05:39] <yo> hi to all
[05:39] <yo> i have a problem with ubuntu 4.10
[05:39] <pogik> i'm trying to identify my sound server because when I'm playing music via xmms, i don't hear other system sounds, that'S my current problem
[05:39] <pogik> kent
[05:40] <yo> i have the same error
[05:40] <yo> pogik
[05:40] <pogik> is it Alsa? or what
[05:40] <pogik> yo let's rule it :)
[05:40] <yo> i have a sound blaster card
[05:40] <pogik> I have integracet AC'97 audio
[05:40] <pogik> integrated
[05:40] <yo> umm
[05:40] <Tiboz> pogik: what is xmms using as audio output ?
[05:40] <yo> i have 2 sound cards
[05:40] <kent> pogik, cant say what that depends on. Maybe change the output-stuff in xmms? you can change between oss, esd, alsa..  if i remember correct.
[05:41] <yo> AC'97 i don't use it and a sound blaster
[05:41] <pogik> kent yes i know I can try all the choices in output settings - but i also want to know, where is what in system I'm using you know? :)
[05:41] <yo> i try other distros like knoppix and the sound card works
[05:42] <pogik> Tiboz OSS
[05:42] <nephtop> oh well, there is the problem
[05:42] <Tiboz> oss ?
[05:42] <Tiboz> well use alsa then ;)
[05:42] <pogik> i'l give it a try
[05:42] <nephtop> or esd/arts/...
[05:42] <nightmaresc> I'm having a problem detecting an external hard drive.  It doesn't seem to be found by Ubuntu
[05:43] <pogik> alsa or esd or whatever - I need to know, which server is my gnome using am I right?
[05:43] <kent> pogik, perhaps try to run gstreamer-properties
[05:43] <tdinaro> stupid question, is it an ISA card?
[05:43] <kent> pogik, i could not find it in the menu, but that command changes sound-stuff :)
[05:43] <yo> and what about my problem?
[05:43] <pogik> kent ok then :)
[05:44] <pogik> kent thats it! my gnome is using ESD :)
[05:44] <nephtop> now set xmms to use it too
[05:44] <pogik> thats what I'm trying to detect :))
[05:45] <yo> can anyone help me ?
[05:45] <pogik> yo sorry mon i cant :(
[05:45] <pogik> ok second question How can Ii change content of gnome menus?
[05:45] <nephtop> yo: what exactly is the problem ?
[05:46] <yo> i can sound my mp3 with totm , i can hear my tvcard with tvtime , i can hear my xvids
[05:47] <kent> pogik, You cant change the menus manually, atleast not in an easy way..  it will be possible in other versions of gnome.
[05:47] <nightmaresc> Can anyone help with detecting an external HD?  It works fine on the Live CD but not the install version
[05:47] <dasenjo> Bye to all .. I dont want to disturb .. but I think the jidgo download is not working ..
[05:48] <nephtop> yo: you can, or you can't ... like you say it, there is no problem
[05:48] <nephtop> :)
[05:48] <pogik> kent oh ... :(( ... ok and is there some list of these config applications as gstreamer-properties and others?
[05:48] <yo> can't
[05:48] <pogik> I could use them or get some info about them If i knew about them :((
[05:48] <yo> i can't hear
[05:48] <nephtop> hmk
[05:49] <nephtop> do you hava alsa ?
[05:49] <kent> pogik, normaly they are in the menu. Not sure why gstreamer-properties is not in the menu..  :(
[05:49] <pogik> what's your favorite IM?
[05:49] <rapha> Mmm :-/, back
[05:50] <yo> nephtop , how i can know this ?
[05:50] <pogik> kent you have it in your menu (it's problem at my side) or it's some ubuntu thing?
[05:50] <yo> i'm so newbie
[05:50] <nephtop> good question (man, i'm only here to see wether ubuntu has many problems ... before testing it)
[05:50] <rapha> Hey, what's a good WiFi scanning utility?
[05:50] <kent> pogik, i dont have it in the menu.
[05:50] <nephtop> well ... do you know how to get in a root console ?
[05:51] <nephtop> rapha: kismet, airsnort
[05:51] <ficusplanet> rapha, NetworkManager
[05:51] <yo> yes mephtop
[05:51] <rapha> nephtop: There's an icon for that in the Ubuntu menu, under "System"
[05:51] <rapha> Thanks nephtop, ficusplanet
[05:51] <yo> yes nephtop
[05:51] <nephtop> well ... open it en try to run "alsaconf"
[05:51] <pogik> nephtop I know :) application, system tools, root terminal
[05:51] <rapha> nephtop: alsaconf has been removed from Ubuntu.
[05:52] <nightmaresc> can anyone help me with an external hd problem?
[05:52] <nephtop> wut ?
[05:52] <nephtop> why ?
[05:52] <baluba> hi
[05:52] <yo> bash: alsaconf: command not found
[05:52] <pogik> then you can type passwd, set your password ant then you can switch to root by typing su everytime you need :)
[05:52] <rapha> nephtop: (Left empty /etc/modules.conf's behind it)
[05:52] <pogik> (4 nephtop] 
[05:52] <nephtop> ooowkay
[05:52] <nephtop> so how is this poor fella supposed to get sound ? (i'm not that familiar with alsa myself)
[05:53] <nephtop> owkay, one could use oss ...
[05:53] <brad> is loging into gnome disabled for my protection (heh) or is something wrong
[05:53] <brad> as root
[05:53] <rapha> nephtop: Does either of those tools have a GTK frontend?
[05:53] <pogik> I enabled ESD and everything works fine
[05:53] <yo> any solution ?
[05:53] <ficusplanet> If anyone wants some debs of the Fedora 3 OO.org, you can snag them from http://12.216.226.172/OOO/  This version includes native widgets and gnome file dialogs.  You have to remove the Ubuntu OOo for it to work.
[05:54] <nephtop> rapha: i dno, i use cli :)
[05:54] <ficusplanet> rapha, NetworkManager uses a system tray icon.
[05:54] <nephtop> yo: one solution could be to run "modprobe emu10k1"
[05:54] <rapha> nephtop: If hotplug hasn't detected his soundcard, it's an Ubuntu bug and he should file a bug report.
[05:54] <nephtop> aha
[05:54] <rapha> ficusplanet: I don't find that in Synaptic; what's its exact name?
[05:55] <pogik> kent does Gnome gave some tool as KLaptop? (klaptop works but I can't get it to system tray :(( )
[05:55] <nephtop> yo: can you run "lsmod" in that root console ?
[05:55] <ficusplanet> You have to add a repo.  Just a sec.
[05:55] <pogik> gave == have
[05:55] <nephtop> and does that have any lines with "snd_somethingsomething" in it ?
[05:55] <ficusplanet> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/ ./
[05:55] <yo> FATAL: Module emul0k1 not found.
[05:55] <rapha> nephtop: Well, could also be an OSS module.
[05:55] <nephtop> true
[05:56] <yo> sorry
[05:56] <ficusplanet> rapha, read http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/ before installing it.
[05:56] <nightmaresc> no one knows how to help detect an external drive?
[05:56] <yo> it works !!!!!
[05:56] <rapha> Thanks ficusplanet
[05:56] <nephtop> erh
[05:56] <nephtop> what did ?
[05:56] <nephtop> :-)
[05:57] <ficusplanet> rapha, It's a really nice utility.  It will detect all wireless networks, ask for wep when appropriate, remember WEP keys you've entered before, remember your preferred networks.  It makes wireless a breeze.
[05:57] <ficusplanet> rapha, Should be in hoary base.
[05:57] <nephtop> ow yeah
[05:57] <rapha> ficusplanet: Cool, but Airsnort cracks the WEP keys instead of asking for them :-)
[05:58] <ficusplanet> rapha, Ah, I was unaware of that.
[05:58] <yo> i run "modprobe emu10k1" , but tottem don't sounds my mp3s
[05:58] <nephtop> airsnort has a gtk gui yeah
[05:58] <yo> tvtime works
[05:58] <nephtop> kismet i dno
[05:58] <rapha> yo: That could be another problem. Try "apt-get install totem-xine".
[05:58] <rapha> nephtop: "Out of the box"?
[05:59] <pogik> is there some way to make totem to play divx/xvid/others? some easier than compile mplayer ;)
[05:59] <nephtop> afaik yes
[05:59] <baluba> pogik, have you read the faq?
[05:59] <mirak_-> yes...and isnt mplayer in multiverse?
[05:59] <yo> libxine1 but it is not installable
[05:59] <pogik> baluba yes there is something about pathents and/or licences :-I
[06:00] <yo> rapha i can't install
[06:00] <pogik> if we are meaning same page
[06:00] <nephtop> how is kde support in ubuntu btw ?
[06:00] <rapha> yo: Why?
[06:00] <daniels> nephtop: it works
[06:00] <rapha> pogik: Yes. "apt-get install totem-xine".
[06:01] <rapha> yo: Try apt-get update first.
[06:01] <yo> libxine1 but it is not installable
[06:01] <nephtop> daniels: tnx
[06:01] <pogik> rapha is gxine from debian good enough?
[06:01] <Riddell> nephtop: KDE 3.2 is available in the Universe archive
[06:01] <yo> rapha , i don't from synaptic
[06:01] <rapha> yo: And if that doesn't work try manually saying "apt-get install libxine1". Please note that you may have to add universe or something to your repository list.
[06:01] <rapha> pogik: I don't use gxine. I use totem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer.
[06:01] <rapha> pogik: Read the FAQ if you have problems installing it.
[06:02] <yo> rapha , i do it from synaptic
[06:02] <pogik> okay i will if there will be a problem
[06:02] <yo> but no libxine is viewed
[06:02] <nightmaresc> can anyone help me with an external hd problem?
[06:02] <Bentley> hi, when I 'close' Evolution, I'd like it to stay running in the background - similar to how gaim stays running in the panel.  Does this functionality exist for Evolution anywhere?
[06:02] <rapha> yo: Then you're missing that repository. Read the FAQ, it should tell how to add it.
[06:02] <yo> rapha , i use universy repositories
[06:02] <rapha> yo: Or ask somebody else here; I'd tell you but I'm a little in a hurry.
[06:03] <brad> ubuntu detects my printer (Epsone Sylus Color Photo 1270) but does not seem to have a driver for it, any ideas where i could find the driver?
[06:03] <rapha> yo: Might be somewhere else but in universe, maybe multiverse or some other rep.
[06:03] <yo> ok
[06:03] <yo> another question
[06:03] <baluba> pogik, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:03] <pogik> Bentley you know how to hide gaim fully into system-tray (or how is it called in gnome - nearby clock)
[06:03] <yo> i install java 1.5.0
[06:03] <ivar> question- I've installed mozilla-thunderbird using
[06:03] <Bentley> pogik - yes, it's a gaim plugin
[06:03] <ivar> 'apt-get install' , but it doesn't appear on my path
[06:04] <yo> i add into /etc/profiles the PATH of java , but when i type $PATH into console , don't show java PATH
[06:04] <rapha> pogik: There's a GAIM plugin for it. But each time you start it, the buddy list will be shown. I think I'll write a patch for that, but it may take a couple of days
[06:04] <pogik> Bentley which one? allready in basic gaim or somewhere on the net?
[06:04] <Bentley> it's in basic gnome - "system tray icon".  I'd really love it if evolution could do the same thing
[06:04] <ivar> when I try to execute  /usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/mozilla-thunderbird-bin I get an error about tbird not finding libs
[06:05] <yo> pogik Guifications
[06:05] <pogik> rapha waw ... I'd be really pleased if you'd send that patch to my mailbox ... is it possible?
[06:05] <pogik> yo thank yo :)
[06:05] <baluba> ivar, anything went fine for me
[06:05] <ivar> baluba, what steps did you take ? how did you install it ?
[06:05] <baluba> ivar, apt-getted :)
[06:06] <rapha> pogik: Well, IF I find the time to write it, I'll make sure to try and get it into Ubuntu, or even GAIM itself. This is ony nervy thing.
[06:06] <yo> how to add java PATH ?
[06:06] <yo> i add into /etc/profiles the PATH of java , but when i type $PATH into console , don't show java PATH
[06:06] <Bentley> pogik - Guifications is an additional add-on that allows new messages to 'popup' from the system tray.  I don't use that, but it is useful as well
[06:06] <rapha> Okay, I'm outta here
[06:06] <yo> any solutions ?
[06:06] <rapha> See y'all later
[06:06] <ivar> baluba, damn... and what do you call to run it ?
[06:06] <yo> anyone can help me ?
[06:07] <nightmaresc> try googling it.  i don't know the exact file to change
[06:07] <baluba> ivar, i'm not on my ubuntu-box right now. it should add the icon in the apps menu
[06:08] <ivar> baluba, ahh.. i think i got it. very strange.. i don't understand why it wasn't working -  thanks for your help
[06:08] <yo> i saw that do "env-update" , but i don't find this command
[06:10] <yo> ?
[06:11] <daver_> does anyone know if there will be an up-to-date kernel source package in the ubuntu tree
[06:11] <WW> yo: Maybe this thread in the forum is relevant: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2793
[06:12] <baluba> yo, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Java
[06:12] <yo> ok
[06:12] <yo> i will see these threads
[06:12] <flam> hey. i'm just wondering how to set the root password / enable it. can anyone help me?
[06:13] <baluba> :)
[06:13] <cambrant> flam: sudo passwd root
[06:13] <yo> bye to all
[06:14] <mrjive> hi baluba
[06:14] <edulix> how can I hear mp3 with ubuntu ?
[06:14] <baluba> when i installed at first i thought it was my distraction
[06:14] <baluba> ciao mrjive
[06:14] <iz> edulix, sudo apt-get install xmms
[06:14] <nightmaresc> can anyone help me with an external hd problem?
[06:14] <edulix> iz: with rythmbox?
[06:14] <iz> umhz...
[06:15] <edulix> is it possible with rythmbox ?
[06:15] <iz> Rhythmbox
[06:15] <aleph> ciao
[06:15] <edulix> it's not recogniced out-of-thr-box
[06:15] <iz> yup
[06:15] <daver_> yes you can use it out of the box for mp3
[06:15] <aleph> there's a repository for mplayer in ubuntu?
[06:15] <baluba> aleph, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:15] <daver_> right after install it works
[06:15] <baluba> edulix, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:16] <edulix> baluba: thanks!
[06:19] <daver_> after installing warty I didn't have to do anything to hear mp3
[06:19] <daver_> it just worked
[06:19] <edulix> daver_: with rythmbox ?
[06:19] <pogik> thank guys for help ... and ubuntu-team for (maybe - im testing it only a few days) the best distro i ever met :)
[06:19] <daver_> yes
[06:20] <aleph> baluba: thanks
[06:20] <nightmaresc> can anyone help me with an external hd problem?
[06:20] <nightmaresc> it doesn't seem to detect it
[06:20] <pogik> farewell
[06:20] <edulix> daver_: when I try to add a mp3 song to the playlist it says: "there's no plugin installed to handle mp3 file"
[06:20] <huttan> how do i make ubuntu pick apt-sources from universe ?
[06:21] <WW> nightmaresc: I almost certainly can't help you, but if I ask you some questions, maybe some else will...
[06:21] <WW> nightmaresc: What interface? USB?
[06:21] <nightmaresc> Thanks.
[06:21] <nightmaresc> WW: USB
[06:21] <nightmaresc> WW:  If it helps, the Live CD version detects it perfectly
[06:22] <WW> nightmaresc: What happens when you unplug it, and plug it back in?
[06:22] <kent> nightmaresc, it might be in /dev/sda1. I think usb-devices comes up in /dev/sda*
[06:22] <nightmaresc> WW: nothing
[06:22] <nightmaresc> kent:  when i try and mount sda1 i get device not found
[06:22] <krischan> I'd like to ask: Yesterday I wanted to find out the exact specification for a card I am using, and I came across that there is nothing like a "Hardware Browser" available over the menu structure, nothing that gives me a comprehensive view over my hardware. Is my assessment right? How can I find out what hardware the computer Ubuntu is installed on uses?
[06:23] <baluba> huttan, you can change apt source list in synaptic
[06:23] <huttan> baluba, thanks
[06:23] <baluba> krischan, there's something like that, i just don't recall the name
[06:24] <mirak> hi
[06:24] <mirak> which config tools does ubuntu uses ?
[06:25] <krischan> baluba: You make this exicting! :-)
[06:25] <WW> nightmaresc: Does the command dmesg say anything about it?  Maybe try "dmesg | grep usb"
[06:26] <iz> mc
[06:26] <nightmaresc> it mentions a usb-storage device, but not where it is located
[06:26] <iz> ai wrong window
[06:26] <krischan> Asking more generally: what graphical tools does Debian use in order to view/configure hardware? Since I came from the RedHat/Fedora rail, I am not that familiar with Debian.
[06:26] <nightmaresc> WW: drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.0:USB HID core driver .. usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage
[06:27] <kevii> hi, I'm trying to get apache2 running. I made a couple changed to apache2.conf and when I go to restart the apache service (/etc/init.d/apache2 restart) I get no status or anything like when I restart samba. Is this normal?
[06:27] <baluba> krischan, you could just do a cat /proc/{whatyouneed} to get every possible information. but anyway there's a gui, just investigate. configuring is a different matter
[06:27] <huttan> baluba, any chance you can tell me where in there please ?
[06:27] <WW> nightmaresc: OK, so _something_  is happening... :)
[06:27] <mirak> I mean are the config tools different than debconf ?
[06:27] <nightmaresc> WW:  Looks like it... but no idea where it puts it
[06:28] <baluba> nightmaresc, /media/ ?
[06:28] <iz> kevii, apache2ctl configtest ?
[06:28] <krischan> baluba: Where can I investigate this matter?
[06:28] <nightmaresc> baluba:  only cdroms and floppys there
[06:29] <kevii> "/usr/sbin/apache2ctl: line 87: /usr/sbin/apache2: No such file or directory"
[06:29] <WW> nightmaresc: Can you see anything in Computer->System Configuration->Device Manager
[06:29] <baluba> krischan, try the administration menus, i'm not in front of an ubuntu now
[06:30] <WW> nightmaresc: (just a reminder... I'm hoping something with a clue will jump in soon...)
[06:30] <iz> kevii, how do you have install apache2?
[06:30] <WW> s/something/someone/
[06:30] <kevii> apt-get install apache2-common
[06:30] <nightmaresc> WW:  No problem, thanks for helping.  And no, nothing about the drive in there
[06:30] <nightmaresc> WW:  It finds my multi-card reader and backup battery, that's it
[06:30] <bearkat> im looking for an easy way to log into a wireless vpn server at school on ubuntu, any suggestions?
[06:30] <iz> kevii, thats okay
[06:31] <mirak> does ubuntu uses debconf as the main configuration application ?
[06:31] <iz> locate apache2
[06:31] <baluba> krischan, fourth command, second voice
[06:32] <Tyche> Hello
[06:32] <WW> nightmaresc: Maybe there are clues here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2392
[06:32] <erk> hello
[06:32] <Tyche> I am trying to get access to a usb drive I have...is it possible to do that
[06:33] <nightmaresc> WW:  Yep, I've actually posted in that topic.  None of it has worked so far :(
[06:33] <bearkat> yea, it comes up automatically under gnome for me
[06:33] <kevii> iz, a /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload fixed it
[06:33] <baluba> krischan, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[06:33] <nightmaresc> WW:  What is so weird is that it works great on the live cd
[06:34] <iz> kevii, ah cewl i must remember that
[06:35] <huttan> Is there a program in ubuntu to change the default window manager ?
[06:35] <yann> gdm ;-)
[06:36] <deFrysk> gdmsetup
[06:36] <WW> nightmaresc: That is strange... but I think the hardware detection in the LiveCD is quite different from the regular CD.  They are different beasts.
[06:36] <mirak> does ubuntu uses debconf as the main configuration application ?
[06:36] <nightmaresc> WW:  Oh, I just figured they were the same
[06:37] <mirak> or is there a better graphical tool ?
[06:37] <WW> nightmaresc: Is you disk already formatted?  What is the filesystem on it?
[06:37] <mrjive> hi mako :)
[06:37] <nightmaresc> WW:  FAT32
[06:38] <mako> mrjive: hey there
[06:38] <WW> nightmaresc: I have an external USB drive sitting here, with an ntfs file system.  I'll fire it up and see what happens.
[06:38] <nightmaresc> WW: Okay, thanks
[06:41] <WW> What is _supposed_ to happen when I plug in a USB hard drive?
[06:41] <mirak> It's SO hard to tell if ubuntu uses or not debconf as the main config tool ?
[06:41] <nightmaresc> I don't think anything.  I used to always have to mount it first
[06:42] <WW> nightmaresc: What happens in the LiveCD?
[06:42] <yann> well you should see something happen if tail -f /var/log/messages
[06:42] <nightmaresc> WW: I havn't tried unplugging and plugging it in on the livecd but when it boots up it automounts it
[06:42] <baluba> mirak, usually if you don't get an answer those listening don't know
[06:43] <mirak> that's surprising
[06:43] <baluba> WW, check also dmesg
[06:43] <mirak> hey all you know debconf, the ugly thing that always ask yes or no :)
[06:43] <WW> baluba: /var/log/messages shows stuff that doesn't look good.
[06:44] <iLLf8d> lo all
[06:44] <WW> Maybe it tried to figure out the file system and failed?
[06:44] <WW> Here, for example, is one of the lines in /var/log/messages:
[06:44] <WW> Nov  2 12:40:26 localhost kernel: VFS: Can't find ext2 filesystem on dev sda1.
[06:44] <nightmaresc> WW: Could have.
[06:45] <nightmaresc> let me check mine then
[06:45] <goonie> can I ask a complete newbie question?
[06:45] <WW> There is a similar message about HFS
[06:45] <WW> goonie: You just did :)
[06:45] <kevii> goonie: always
[06:46] <yann> WW: so your system already attached the disk to the system... now you can mount it with -t ntfs or other...
[06:46] <mjr> can I ask a lazy question?
[06:46] <nightmaresc> WW: my log shows nothing about it
[06:46] <WW> yann: just to be sure: I should first manually create a mount point in, say, /mnt, right?
[06:47] <goonie> I'm pretty new to linux and I was trying ubuntu for the first time a while back and I don't know how config synaptic to retrieve packages from my local debian repository
[06:47] <WW> yann: E.g: sudo mkdir /mnt/sda1
[06:47] <SmokingFire> mjr why not
[06:47] <baluba> goonie, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[06:48] <nimc> is ~/.Xmodmap supposed to be handled on X startup (with gdm) in ubuntu ?
[06:48] <goonie> oh... ok thx :)
[06:48] <WW> nightmaresc: So nothing shows up in /var/log/messages when you plug in your disk?
[06:48] <Kamion> mirak: insofar as debconf is a configuration tool, which it only sort-of is
[06:48] <Kamion> mirak: the main end-user-facing set of applications is gnome-system-tools
[06:48] <nightmaresc> WW: Nope, nothing at all
[06:48] <mjr> where should I report a misidentified X driver (Ubuntu tried to use "ati" for my 9250 card, whilst "radeon" is the one that works); xserver-xfree86? discover1?
[06:49] <Kamion> mjr: discover1-data, probably
[06:50] <mjr> righto
[06:51] <WW> nightmaresc: I can access my external disk, but so far I have to do everything as root.  Probably just some configuration details.
[06:51] <yann> WW: yes you could do that
[06:51] <defendguin> if they are working on a faster boot for horey are they going to backport some of their fixes to warty?
[06:51] <WW> yann: Thanks. Actually, I went with /mnt/usbhd
[06:51] <yann> WW: mount -o user
[06:51] <nightmaresc> WW: When I boot up i get an error about 'nobiospnp', could that be a problem?
[06:51] <iLLf8d> how long has ubuntu been around? I don't see it on the about page
[06:51] <kensai> I have installed python-libgmail from apt how can I configure it to use it with evolution or thunderbird? -Thanks
[06:51] <baluba> multiverse is like non-free in debian?
[06:51] <mirak> Kamion: is there app like amarok or some kde ones ?
[06:52] <nosilver4u> iLLf8d: not very long
[06:52] <Kamion> mirak: we don't support KDE.
[06:52] <mdz> iLLf8d: about 6 months now
[06:52] <yann> mirak: you could use rhythmbox
[06:52] <kevii> anyone know of a good tutorial for configuring apache2?
[06:52] <mirak> I am rediscovering the joy of gnome
[06:52] <Kamion> defendguin: unlikely; it certainly won't be part of what the core team works on
[06:52] <Kamion> defendguin: hoary is only six months away, so we don't need to get into a backporting spaghetti nightmare
[06:53] <defendguin> :-(
[06:53] <WW> nightmaresc: That could very well be related.
[06:53] <Kamion> defendguin: you can wait six months :)
[06:53] <mdz> defendguin: stable releases get critical bug fixes only; that's how they remain stable
[06:53] <nosilver4u> kevii: what do you need to know?
[06:53] <defendguin> yeah
[06:53] <nightmaresc> WW:  Hmm... ever heard of that problem?
[06:53] <Kamion> baluba: approximately
[06:53] <WW> nightmaresc: No, but it certainly sounds related.
[06:53] <kevii> eh I'm just finding the config layouts a little cryptic
[06:53] <WW> Where are all the hardware experts???
[06:54] <defendguin> are they going to do something like the read ahead that fedora does?
[06:54] <nightmaresc> WW:  I'll have to look around for a solution then, thanks
[06:54] <WW> There are 320 people in here! (OK, maybe a few bots, but there are still a lot of people here!)
[06:54] <nimc> is ~/.Xmodmap supposed to be handled on X startup (with gdm) in ubuntu ?
[06:55] <f_favila> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8754
[06:55] <WW> No one knows what the 'nobiospnp' error means?
[06:55] <baluba> defendguin, besides hoary is going to be usable before that 6 month figure
[06:55] <yann> nimc: as far as I know, yes
[06:55] <defendguin> also on my box is looks like they try to load more than a few modules twice because i get these already loaded messages during boot
[06:55] <pogik> one more question> which application is in ubuntu for handling zip atc packages by default?
[06:56] <pogik> atc == etc
[06:56] <nightmaresc> WW: I've read it deals with plug and play.  I've tried changing the option in my bios but it doesn't work
[06:56] <yann> pogik: file-roller
[06:56] <defendguin> and all these modules that are blacklisted why dont they just remove all these modules so we wont have to blacklist them?
[06:56] <nimc> yann: i got a message first time i rebooted with .Xmodmap that it won't be processed and i should look at keyboard prefs.... and on later reboots it's just ignored
[06:56] <WW> nightmaresc: Have you asked on the mailing list?
[06:57] <nightmaresc> No, not yet
[06:57] <yann> nimc: then I will encounter the same problem on next reboot... I am just working on my .Xmodma
[06:57] <pogik> yann OK and what is a reason that ubuntu does have those applications but they aren't asociated or in any gnome menu? :(
[06:57] <nimc> is ~/.xinitrc supposed to be handled with gdm ? i think it only worked with startx without gdm  ?
[06:58] <yann> pogik: good question... ;-)
[06:58] <pogik> yann :)
[06:58] <baluba> pogik, example?
[06:58] <teo> hi
[06:59] <WW> nightmaresc: Well, good luck, sorry I couldn't drum up more help.  If you get desperate, you could try something I've heard called 'Ahz's Law'.  To get correct information in a channel or list, you have to say something blatantly wrong. :)
[06:59] <pogik> baluba .zip or .deb or other packages
[06:59] <WW> nightmaresc: Such as:
[06:59] <WW> USB hard drives do not work in Ubuntu.
[06:59] <nimc> yann, you gonna try it soon, or you boot only once a month or something...?:)
[06:59] <stuNNed> hmmm looks like to add custom DSDT to kernel need to recompile
[07:00] <WW> nightmaresc: or
[07:00] <yann> nimc: no need to reboot right now ;-) since it does not work I am trying out the Keyboard setup tool in Gnome
[07:00] <WW> Try cutting off the USB connector and soldering on a firewire connector...
[07:00] <mdz> WW: pardon?
[07:00] <nightmaresc> WW:  Haha, alright.  I'll have to try that I guess
[07:00] <nimc> what is the keyboard setup tool ?
[07:00] <nightmaresc> WW: Thanks for the help
[07:00] <pogik> oh my fault, I just found file-roller at apps menu but 2nd part of my question remains :)
[07:01] <WW> nightmaresc: See how quick that worked?  mdz is an ubuntu developer!
[07:01] <baluba> pogik, well compressed archive are opened by rolled by default here
[07:01] <WW> Sorry mdz... scroll back a bit ^^^
[07:01] <nightmaresc> WW: Haha, you're right.  That was pretty fast
[07:01] <Foxfyre> Howdy again
[07:01] <pogik> baluba they aren't in my system :((
[07:01] <nimc> yann, prefs / keyboard shortcuts  ? or you mean something else?
[07:01] <Foxfyre> So folks, I'm trying to set Apache up to recognize python scripts and I Dl'ed mod_python, but the configure script is not seeing gcc or any c compiler, any help?
[07:02] <dredg> apt-get install libapache2-mod-python
[07:02] <Foxfyre> couldn't find the package
[07:02] <pogik> baluba ah ... i got it - it isn't opened via smb:// :( why?
[07:02] <yann> nimc: meant that, but it is a little bit confusing right now...
[07:03] <yann> nimc: I am trying to map my apple keys to the altgr
[07:03] <nightmaresc> WW: Well I'm going to go try some stuff, thanks again
[07:03] <WW> nightmaresc: OK, take it easy.
[07:04] <baluba> pogik, uhm strange
[07:04] <nimc> yann, i first needed to use xmodmap to map special keys to F13+.... then use prefs / keyboard shortcuts
[07:05] <pogik> baluba and when I'm trying to display shared folders at my windows box, i get always an error
[07:06] <pogik> but when I type existing addres (smb://pc/c$ instead of smb://pc) then everything is ok
[07:06] <pogik> :(
[07:07] <baluba> pogik, gnome-vfs support for smb needs to mature
[07:07] <Foxfyre> dredg: apt-get couldn't find the package.
[07:07] <dredg> Foxfyre: oh? hmm
[07:07] <pogik> baluba okay :) do you consider this as some reportable bug?
[07:08] <Foxfyre> I found it on the apt-get.org but the terminal apt-get didn't find the package.
[07:08] <Kamion> apt-get.org is a repository of stuff for Debian
[07:08] <pogik> Prodm iBook G4, bl, 14" display, Procesor l GHz, pam 640 MB DDR SDRAM, L2 cache: 256 KB, Bus Speed: 133 MHz, HDD: 60 GB, COMBO (CD-RW), AIRPORT karta zabudovan, tmr nov baterie, st cca.1 rok, dovoz (darem) ale nevyuit - nelze naistalovat Windows XP :-((( . Nebo vmna za parametrov srovnateln,na kterm b Windows.
[07:08] <pogik> Orientan cena: 25.000,-- K
[07:09] <pogik> LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[07:09] <pogik> OL
[07:09] <pogik> :))))
[07:09] <Foxfyre> Kamion, right
[07:09] <pogik> OH
[07:09] <dredg> Foxfyre: its in main
[07:10] <pogik> I'm really sorry!!!
[07:10] <dredg> it should be there
[07:10] <pogik> wrong channel :-(
[07:10] <Foxfyre> dredg, here's what I'm typing: 'sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-python'  -- am I typing it wrong?
[07:10] <pogik> Prodm iBook G4, bl, 14" display, Procesor l GHz, pam 640 MB DDR SDRAM, L2 cache: 256 KB, Bus Speed: 133 MHz, HDD: 60 GB, COMBO (CD-RW), AIRPORT karta zabudovan, tmr nov baterie, st cca.1 rok, dovoz (darem) ale nevyuit - nelze naistalovat Windows XP :-((( . Nebo vmna za parametrov srovnateln,na kterm b Windows.
[07:10] <pogik> Orientan cena: 25.000,-- K
[07:12] <defendguin> is tseng here?
[07:13] <rebirth> reet, im orf out, cya <3
[07:14] <dredg> Foxfyre: looks right
[07:14] <Foxfyre> weird
[07:15] <ogra> Foxfyre: whats wron there ?
[07:15] <ogra> g
[07:15] <Foxfyre> apt-get isn't finding that package
[07:15] <ogra> Foxfyre: did you sudo apt-get update before ?
[07:16] <Foxfyre> yeah
[07:16] <Telep> aargh, XFree taking up 42% of the CPU for no apparent reason
[07:16] <ogra> Foxfyre: and main is still in your sources list ?
[07:16] <Foxfyre> How do I view the sources list?
[07:17] <ogra> Foxfyre: in synaptic click settings->repositorys
[07:17] <ogra> Foxfyre: on the commandline less /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:18] <ogra> Foxfyre: there should be something like this:
[07:18] <ogra> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe multiverse
[07:18] <Foxfyre> ... it comes commented
[07:18] <ogra> Foxfyre: maybe without universe multiverse
[07:19] <ogra> Foxfyre: either: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list .... or
[07:19] <Foxfyre> Bullseye
[07:19] <Foxfyre> thanks
[07:19] <polytan> re
[07:20] <ogra> Foxfyre: synaptic settings->repositorys and check the box for this line
[07:20] <Foxfyre> I did it from the command line and found all the sources still commented out
[07:20] <baluba> Kamion, are you from canonical?
[07:21] <netmonk> how do i add splash screen in ubuntu?
[07:21] <Kamion> baluba: yes
[07:21] <Foxfyre> Thanks for the help ogra
[07:21] <ogra> Foxfyre: ;)
[07:22] <Foxfyre> now to remember how to restart apache ;)
[07:23] <fg_ubuntu> hi everybody
[07:23] <ogra> netmonk: it is in /usr/share/pixmaps/splash/gnome-splash.png .... make a backup and copy yours there
[07:24] <netmonk> 10x ogra, again ;)
[07:24] <baluba> Kamion, don't know if you're in charge for the site, at any account i'd change that "ubuntu is an African word". may be is just me being ignorant but it doesn't seem to really make sense :)
[07:24] <baluba> Kamion, here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/meaning-of-ubuntu
[07:24] <Scognito> hi all
[07:24] <ogra> baluba: it is actually zulu
[07:24] <Scognito> is firefox 1.0pr avaiable for ubuntu?
[07:24] <baluba> Kamion, afaik it's a Zulu/south african word
[07:25] <Scognito> i've still the 0.9
[07:25] <ogra> baluba: which is an african language or not ?
[07:25] <ogra> scotth: nope, to unstable right now
[07:25] <ogra> Scognito
[07:25] <fg_ubuntu> did anyone have troubles setting language for system/keyboard during installation?
[07:25] <Telep> hmm hmm, I'd like try going back to the free driver instead of ati binary. anyone care to remind me what i need to modify? :P
[07:26] <kevii> I'm gonna guess, /etc/X11/XF86config-4
[07:26] <yann> anybody here with an ibook or powerbook or applekeyboard?
[07:26] <Kamion> baluba: it's a word from several African languages in the Bantu family
[07:26] <Telep> yann: I wish I could say yes :)
[07:26] <baluba> ogra, you would say pasta is a european word?
[07:26] <altan> how can I add a printer?
[07:27] <ogra> baluba: as Sauerkraut ... yes ;)
[07:27] <Kamion> baluba: Zulu is one of the languages where it's found, but not the only one
[07:27] <Foxfyre> altan: The computer menu -> System COnfiguration
[07:27] <baluba> Kamion, thanks that's what i wanted to know
[07:27] <altan> Foxfyre, I'm on XFCE, so I'll probably need command line stuff, maybe
[07:27] <Kamion> baluba: I don't really do much website stuff, though
[07:27] <Scognito> ogra, tell me
[07:27] <Foxfyre> altan, whoops - sorry, no idea
[07:27] <Kamion> baluba: that page does mention Zulu further down, at least
[07:28] <altan> I'll try linuxprinting.org
[07:28] <ogra> Scognito: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=UPSTREAM&bug_status=PENDINGUPLOAD&field0-0-0=product&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=firefox&field0-0-1=component&type0-0-1=substring&value0-0-1=firefox&field0-0-2=short_desc&type0-0-2=substring&value0-0-2=firefox&field0-0-3=status_whiteboard&type0-0-3=substring&value0-0-3=firefox
[07:28] <kevii> now THATS a link
[07:28] <Telep> O_o
[07:28] <ogra> lol
[07:28] <stvn> wooi
[07:29] <altan> agh, complicated
[07:29] <baluba> Kamion, now it does
[07:29] <Kamion> baluba: ah
[07:30] <bdale> Mithrandir: hardware hacking is good.
[07:30] <Scognito> ogra, so while there are these bugs, firefox can be released for ubuntu, right?
[07:30] <shaver> wait
[07:31] <ogra> Scognito: it wont get in warty  anymore, as warty is released, but it is likely in hoary
[07:31] <shaver> 1.0RC1 has those bugs
[07:31] <shaver> fixed
[07:31] <baluba> ogra, what's a sauerkraut? it sounds tasty :)
[07:31] <shaver> 0.9.x isn't going to be security-maintained
[07:31] <shaver> here we go down the debian-mozilla-package hole again
[07:31] <vrln> shaver: the ubuntu developers are going to support the firefox shipped in warty, so they will backport any security fixes to it
[07:31] <sub_pop> is there a ubuntu deb for this: http://www.nongnu.org/mailnotify/
[07:32] <knewt> dpkg++ # upgrading a package to the latest upstream and dropping the new .deb/sources into my local repo was sinfully easy
[07:32] <Foxfyre> damnit, how do i restart apache?
[07:32] <ogra> baluba: you know we germans are called "krauts" in us ? thats where it comes from.... it is made from cabbage and is sour
[07:33] <mirak> ubuntu doesn't support kde, but i it possible to install kde with debian sources ?
[07:33] <baluba> shaver, they had to release and FF was awfully late
[07:33] <Scognito> ogra, is safe to upgrading to hoary from warty?
[07:33] <ogra> baluba: its a known word in de,at,ch ....
[07:33] <Foxfyre> Scognito: It isn't recommended at this time
[07:33] <ogra> Scognito: if you like to be a testbed ;)
[07:33] <Scognito> ok
[07:33] <shaver> vrln: I've heard that story before
[07:33] <Riddell> mirak: you can install KDE 3.2 from universe
[07:33] <Scognito> i've lot of important data stored on my hd...
[07:34] <shaver> vrln: also, I believe the trademark rules have language about non-release builds
[07:34] <Riddell> mirak: I also have some KDE 3.3 debs but they don't work just now
[07:34] <ogra> Scognito: so waith till april ;)
[07:34] <ogra> -h
[07:34] <baluba> ogra, ok crauti. it's the sauer bit that confused me
[07:34] <Scognito> btw i've ever used sid, so if it safer than sid i can try...
[07:35] <Telep> anyone like to bet on a military coup happening if Bush loses?
[07:35] <Foxfyre> My money's on civil war
[07:36] <ogra> baluba: thank god mark shuttleworth is not a german sauerkraut fan ;) (sauerkraut linux, heh)
[07:36] <baluba> ogra, haha
[07:36] <WW> The Spirit of Cabbage???
[07:36] <ogra> WW: yay
[07:36] <Scognito> ogra, i've used debian sid for 3 years... is hoary like sid for normal debian?
[07:37] <baluba> WW, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.8537444623
[07:37] <ogra> Scognito: did you use sid while libc6 was updated ? it may be sometimes like this....
[07:38] <WW> baluba: Yeah, I think I've seen that before, and I've heard it mentioned here.
[07:38] <baluba> WW, that was for nightmaresc, but since you were involved in hte discussion
[07:38] <ogra> Scognito: but testbed users are always wanted, so if you got spare hardware......
[07:38] <Scognito> not remember...
[07:38] <WW> baluba: Right, I figured that's what you meant.
[07:39] <Scognito> ogra, i've only one hd and all my data are there...i'm sorry to cannot help
[07:39] <ogra> Scognito: it's ok, dont mess with your data ;)
[07:39] <Kamion> shaver: I imagine that's part of the reason we use a different icon
[07:39] <Scognito> eh eh
[07:40] <shaver> Kamion: yeah, I think so
[07:40] <Tyche> I just got gdesklets going, and I really like that!
[07:41] <Tyche> Trying to get a usb drive working...any suggestions?
[07:42] <Scognito> insert it ;)
[07:42] <mjr> ok, so, anyone have a clue how to configure a radeon 9250 for dual-head?
[07:45] <Lyresto> hello everybody
[07:45] <ogra> mjr: would you mind writing it on the wiki if you got it running ? (https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FinishInstallationHowto)
[07:45] <mjr> I wouldn't, given that that happens
[07:45] <ogra> mjr: great ..
[07:46] <Lyresto> i've got one question
[07:46] <ogra> Lyresto: go on :)
[07:46] <RuffianSoldier> Ubuntu Rules!  IT OWNS YOU!
[07:47] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: if you own IT !
[07:47] <Lyresto> why can't i access my FAT32 partitions (properly mounted) on X aplications ?
[07:47] <Lyresto> thanks ogra
[07:47] <ogra> Lyresto: how do you try to access it ?
[07:47] <Tyche> Can anyone point me in the right direction for accessing a usb drive?
[07:48] <ogra> Tyche: it should appear on your desktop after plugging in
[07:48] <Lyresto> well, i tried to listen to my mp3 with totem and watch some photos with gthumb
[07:48] <Lyresto> and i couldn't
[07:49] <ogra> Lyresto: describe the way you use to access it from an application.
[07:49] <Mithrandir> bdale: yeah, it's fun. :)
[07:49] <WW> ogra: Is that really supposed to happen automatically? Mine doesn't.
[07:49] <Tyche> ogra: you are right, I must not have plugged it in all the way. Thanks.
[07:50] <ogra> WW: mine do ....
[07:50] <WW> ogra: (I'm talking about a USB hd)
[07:50] <Lyresto> and when i double click on the fat32 partition icon, i only can watch the ordinary files, not the directories
[07:50] <Tyche> What are some other must have applications! =) I'm getting the hang of this now!
[07:50] <Mithrandir> bdale: I'm thinking about how we want to merge the ia32-libs in ubuntu and Debian, as they are quite forked now.  Do you want me to make a new package and just point you to it, or do you have any other thoughts on the matter?
[07:50] <ogra> WW: is there any difference to a keychain or usb-storage camera
[07:50] <WW> Tyche: Depends on the things that you must do...
[07:51] <ogra> Lyresto: how do you mount it ? (fstab ?)
[07:51] <Lyresto> yes, i added my fat32 partition on fstab
[07:51] <ogra> Lyresto: show me the line....
[07:51] <Lyresto> rw mode
[07:51] <Lyresto> ok
[07:52] <Lyresto> /dev/hde1       /mnt/w98c       vfat    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[07:52] <bdale> Mithrandir: if you want to hand me a new package to review, that's fine
[07:52] <WW> ogra: You mean a USB hard drive should show up on the desktop with no previous configuration, and no manual editing of fstab?
[07:52] <Mithrandir> bdale: ok, I'll put something together, then.
[07:52] <ogra> Lyresto: /dev/hde1       /mnt/w98c       vfat    rw,user,noauto,umask=000  0       0
[07:52] <ogra> WW: yep
[07:52] <Lyresto> thanks ogra !!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:52] <bdale> Mithrandir: fwiw, I sat up most of last night building an 80 watt RF power amplifier for 1296 Mhz ... part of my ongoing project to try "moonbounce" with my daughter.
[07:53] <ogra> WW: nothing else then a keychain
[07:53] <bdale> Mithrandir: I've been taking pictures, but haven't made time to create a proper web page for the project yet
[07:53] <ogra> WW: except it has its own powersupply
[07:53] <Mithrandir> bdale: I haven't been sucked into the ham business yet, but I guess I will, at some point.  It's fun too.
[07:53] <Tyche> ww: I must have all!
[07:54] <WW> ogra: Just plugged in the keychain (sandisk cruzer mini 256mb, in case that matters).
[07:54] <Lyresto> ogra, it works !!!!
[07:54] <Mithrandir> bdale: I just found out somebody had made the same thing I'm doing, but they only have windows software and building it is half the fun, so. :)
[07:54] <ogra> WW: wait a moment.....
[07:54] <ogra> Lyresto: yep ;)
[07:54] <ogra> WW: should appear....takes some time
[07:55] <ogra> WW: else something is wrong with hotplug or gnome-volume-manager
[07:55] <bdale> Mithrandir: a wise man (and good friend) once told me that there are only three reasons to build something yourself instead of buying it.  1) because it doesn't exist otherwise (the new invention excuse), 2) because you have a significant value statement to make (the I can do it lots cheaper and/or better myself excuse), or 3) because you're trying to learn something (the education excuse... my personal favorite).  If it doesn't fit at least one of those thre
[07:55] <bdale> e, just spend money...  ;-)
[07:55] <ogra> WW: my cam takes nearly 30sek
[07:56] <ogra> bdale: what about: because its fun to build it ?
[07:56] <jonh> hey
[07:56] <Striss> hello
[07:57] <Mithrandir> bdale: I guess I can use the first excuse as well, as no solution doing what I wanted existed when I started, and since I'm not an economist, I care about sunk cost/time so I want to complete it. :)
[07:57] <ogra> WW: and ?
[07:57] <WW> ogra: Nothing yet.
[07:57] <altan> What's the default username and password for the CUPS admin manager through http://localhost:631/admin ?
[07:57] <bdale> ogra: you can probably use the education excuse.  at least in my case, if I'm not learning something it's just boring and repetitious and therefore not fun.
[07:57] <ogra> WW: look in Computer->Desktop Settings->Removable Media
[07:58] <Treenaks> altan: there is none
[07:58] <Treenaks> altan: use the Gnome cups tools
[07:58] <altan> Treenaks: I do not have GNOME
[07:58] <wannes> altan: the web interface is disabled
[07:58] <bdale> Mithrandir: I'm all in favor of more people developing hardware hacking skills.
[07:58] <Treenaks> altan: then why did oyu remove it?
[07:59] <altan> Treenaks: I never installed it to begin with
[07:59] <Mithrandir> bdale: uCs are _fun_ to play with, and really simple too.  Not very expensive to get started either (a dev kit costs about 30USD)
[07:59] <altan> wannes: how can I enable it?
[07:59] <ogra> bdale: ok, but if its new.....it may be fun, but  there im catched by 3 ..... understood....
[08:00] <tseng> defendguin: ?
[08:00] <defendguin> i was wondering if you could update blam in your repository so that it would fix some of the picture loading bugs
[08:01] <tseng> well it wants gecko now
[08:01] <camden> good morning everybody
[08:01] <tseng> newer than we have
[08:01] <defendguin> tseng, i noticed
[08:01] <camden> everybody here in america remember to vote!
[08:01] <defendguin> hmmm
[08:01] <bdale> Mithrandir: seen my latest microcontroller project?  http://can-do.moraco.info/    Next one may be the controller for azimuth and elevation pointing of the EME dish, though frankly I'm about ready to decide it's an ITX motherboard with 4 relays hanging on the parallel port, since CAT-5 would be easier to run out to the tower than a serial port...
[08:01] <riz> Im not in America, I live in the UK, but Go Kerry!
[08:01] <WW> ogra: The following are checked: Mount removable drives..., Mount removable media, Browse removable media...
[08:01] <Treenaks> altan: you sure you're running ubuntu?
[08:01] <defendguin> tseng, does monodevelop need mozilla or just any browser?
[08:02] <Mithrandir> bdale: you get USB-based uCs, you know.. I haven't had the chance to play with them, though
[08:02] <nightmaresc> WW: I got the pnpbios thing fixed, but no luck :(
[08:02] <camden> riz: I hope so. GW scares me.
[08:02] <tseng> defendguin: it uses gecko also
[08:02] <pc-3> wow my god
[08:02] <bdale> Mithrandir: yes, I've done work with two USB-enabled controllers from Cypress.
[08:02] <WW> nightmaresc: Hey there.  I'm trying to get my flash drive to be detected automatically now.
[08:02] <altan> Treenaks: I am sure, I did a custom install
[08:02] <altan> I have cups and xfprint installed and stuff
[08:02] <pc-3> i did not now there where somany ubuntu users
[08:02] <defendguin> ugg
[08:03] <wannes> altan: i have no idea :)
[08:03] <nightmaresc> WW: Good luck with that.
[08:03] <wannes> maybe search www.ubuntuforums.org ...
[08:03] <defendguin> tseng, would this be fixed if ubuntu had a newer firefox?
[08:03] <riz> is there a GUI for turning of services? If not how do u do it manually?
[08:03] <ogra> WW: hmm, try dmesg after plugging in....
[08:03] <tseng> defendguin: what are you talking about
[08:03] <Mithrandir> bdale: how hard are they to get going?  I've heard USB isn't the coziest of protocols to work with?
[08:03] <Treenaks> altan: don't do that then
[08:03] <tseng> defendguin: libgecko-cil != mozilla-firefox
[08:03] <tseng> in fact, i dont think mozilla-firefox even installs gecko libs
[08:03] <defendguin> tseng, sorry i was making a bad assumption
[08:04] <riz> Is there a GUI for turning of services? If not how do u do it using command line?
[08:04] <tseng> riz: man update-rc.d
[08:04] <defendguin> tseng, so i guess there is no easy way around this
[08:05] <riz> thank you
[08:05] <erni1> hi guys, im looking for a way to log into my school's vpn server so i can access the wireless network
[08:05] <tseng> defendguin: uh, i could upload a newer libgecko-cil
[08:05] <WW> ogra: dmesg reports some SCSI information.  The last line is
[08:05] <WW> SCSI device sda: 512000 512-byte hdwr sectors (262 MB)
[08:05] <tseng> defendguin: thats easy enough.. i choose not to because blam works fine and my time is limited
[08:05] <bdale> Mithrandir: it's not too bad.  the fx2 parts have good support for bootloading an identity when they first come up on the bus, and the state of USB driver support is a lot better today than it was a year ago.
[08:05] <defendguin> tseng, you dont notice the image loading problems?
[08:05] <skar> exit
[08:06] <bdale> Mithrandir: for lots of things you can cheat and just make it look like a serial port
[08:06] <ogra> WW: if it doesnt appear, is it in the disks location ?
[08:06] <tseng> not particuarly
[08:06] <WW> ogra: Hey, it just appeared.
[08:06] <ogra> WW: yeah
[08:06] <WW> ogra: I wonder why it didn't the first time.
[08:06] <ogra> WW: should work with any usb media
[08:06] <wannes> doesn't work here either .... :o)
[08:07] <ogra> WW: sometimes you just have to run gnome-volume-manager once (just by opening the settings) dunno why though
[08:07] <Tyche69> Any suggestions for good backgammon/chess games?
[08:07] <WW> ogra: Hmmm... I can see the messages in dmesg from the first time I plugged it in.
[08:07] <WW> Here are two of the older lines:
[08:08] <WW> sda : unsupported sector size -805371904.
[08:08] <WW> SCSI device sda: 0 -805371904-byte hdwr sectors (0 MB)
[08:08] <ogra> WW: then gnome-volume-manager was stuck there...
[08:08] <defendguin> tseng, oh well. thanks for the explanation
[08:09] <ogra> Tyche: eboard
[08:09] <Mithrandir> bdale: I'm considering going for an USB and serial interface for the final version, as usb is a bit more convenient.
[08:09] <ogra> Tyche69
[08:10] <nightmaresc> WW: Hmm... my multicard reader works great with no configuration :)
[08:10] <Tyche69> ogra: This is Tyche too btw, got disconnected and have to wait for it to time out I guess.
[08:10] <ogra> *g*
[08:10] <Tyche69> ogra: I installed 3dchess, do you know where it ends up? It isn't in the menus.
[08:10] <WW> nightmaresc: It seems to work now.  I don't know what happened the first time.
[08:11] <nightmaresc> WW: Strange
[08:11] <Tyche69> ogra: installing eboard as we speak
[08:11] <ogra> Tyche: dpkg --listfiles 3dchess|grep bin
[08:11] <WW> nightmaresc: "Strange"... yeah, that seems to be going around :)
[08:12] <Lyresto> jordi, hola
[08:12] <ogra> WW: ask robert love... he wrote g-v-m
[08:12] <WW> Is "fsck -t vfat /media/sda1" the correct command to check the file system on the flash drive?
[08:12] <ogra> WW: sounds good
[08:13] <Tyche69> ogra: and do the same thing with eboard?
[08:13] <WW> ogra: When I do that, the last line output is
[08:13] <WW> Read 512 bytes at 0:Is a directory
[08:13] <ogra> Tyche: yep... if you know the path to the binary, you can add it to the menu
[08:14] <ogra> WW: probably you need to unmount it before checking
[08:15] <pc-3> for howlong is this linux around
[08:15] <ogra> pc-3: 10 years
[08:15] <Tyche69> ogra that is a great command
[08:15] <nightmaresc> ogra: any idea why my external usb drive isn't being detected?
[08:15] <baluba> pc-3, 6 month
[08:16] <pc-3> ehm yeah ogra i meant this distro
[08:16] <ogra> Tyche69: dpkg is a great tool ;)
[08:16] <jesper> Any Danes around?
[08:16] <ogra> pc-3: since 20th oct
[08:16] <WW> ogra: Unmounting means I lose /media/sda1, so I ran "fsck -t vfat /dev/sda1"
[08:16] <pc-3> so baluba this distro is around for only 6 months
[08:16] <Lyresto> ogra, can fsck check a vfat partition ?????
[08:17] <WW> ogra: and it report "a large number of bad entries"
[08:17] <WW> reports*
[08:17] <ogra> hmm, probably Lyresto is right, i never fscked fat ...
[08:17] <jesper> WW: There is a fsck.vfat on my system.. so yes.. probably
[08:17] <Tyche69> I try to right click on the executable and make link from nautilus and it never allows me, do you know why?
[08:17] <baluba> pc-3, first stable release has less than a month
[08:18] <pc-3> my god howcome this channel is so big
[08:18] <baluba> Tyche69, add it in the upper panel
[08:18] <pc-3> its amazing
[08:18] <Tyche69> ogra: alright, one last question... =) How can I modify the grub settings?
[08:18] <pc-3> this neverhappend baluba
[08:18] <ogra> Tyche69: it wants to create the symlink in the bin dir .... youre not allowed to .... use the middle mouse and drag it to the desktop
[08:18] <baluba> pc-3, it's the distro of the moment
[08:19] <WW> nightmaresc: By the way, try asking ogra about your USB drive. He's smart :)  (but very busy!)
[08:19] <pc-3> why
[08:19] <pc-3> convince me baluba
[08:19] <ogra> WW: 321 ppl today.... we never were over 300
[08:19] <nightmaresc> WW: I will, thanks.  I'm waiting for people to finish up with him before I bug him a lot :)
[08:19] <Tyche69> ogra: Oh man...you are amazing! You know all!
[08:20] <baluba> ogra eats a lot of krauts and this is better than fish for the mind :)
[08:20] <WW> nightmaresc: Don't worry, he's just a bot.
[08:20] <ogra> lol
[08:20] <WW> watch this:
[08:20] <WW> ogra: nvidia driver?
[08:20] <ogra> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:21] <WW> :)
[08:21] <ogra> :)
[08:21] <pc-3> ogra: ati driver?
[08:21] <ogra> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:21] <nightmaresc> ogra: Any idea why my usb HD isn't being detected?
[08:22] <ogra> nightmaresc: sometimes it helps just to open Computer->Desktop Settings-> Removable Media and replug it again
[08:22] <pc-3> ogra: www.postproductie.nl?
[08:22] <Lyresto> well, i must go now. ogra, many thanks for your help. Linux rules !!!!
[08:22] <ogra> yay
[08:22] <pc-3> lol
[08:22] <WW> There are rules?
[08:22] <pc-3> i thought that ogra was a bot
[08:22] <pc-3> lol
[08:22] <pc-3> damm how stupid can i be
[08:22] <Tyche69> One last question...where do I change settings for grub?
[08:22] <ogra> not really , but sometimes i'm nearly convinced :)
[08:23] <nightmaresc> ogra: It doesn't show up anywhere though.  Even in the device manager
[08:23] <merlin0> hello
[08:23] <ogra> Tyche69: in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:23] <gruberman> anyone knows a good app for pc dvd - tv on XP?
[08:23] <Tyche69> thank you much!
[08:23] <ogra> Tyche69: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:24] <ogra> Tyche69: but make sure you know what youre doing
[08:24] <merlin0> is correct to use root terminal alternative to sudoing every command?
[08:24] <ogra> nightmaresc: run dmesg just after plugging in.... see the last lines
[08:24] <ogra> merlin0: yep, but be careful ;)
[08:25] <merlin0> don't worry
[08:25] <merlin0> eheheh
[08:25] <Tyche69> ogra: I just want to change the boot tag to my <winces> WinXP partition for now.
[08:25] <lourens> hi
[08:25] <lourens> is anyone going to yell at me if I complain about Firefox themes not working?
[08:25] <ogra> Tyche69: if you know what youre doing ... no prob ;)
[08:25] <lourens> I suspect it's a known issue :)
[08:26] <nightmaresc> ogra: says a bunch of stuff about SCSI device sdb
[08:26] <ogra> lourens: go yell if it helps you ;)
[08:26] <nightmaresc> ogra: should i send it to you?
[08:26] <baluba> lourens, explain
[08:26] <lourens> I guess the version check gets messed up due to Ubuntu specific patches?
[08:26] <ogra> nightmaresc: p-message....
[08:26] <lourens> wait, let me give a sort of proper bug report here :)
[08:27] <lourens> I tried installing the Curacao theme, since I thought it would go nicely with the Ocean Dream GNOME theme
[08:27] <Tyche69> ogra: I don't know what I am doing, I just want the default boot part. to be WinXP.
[08:27] <baluba> Tyche69, it holds whatever you choosed the last time
[08:28] <nightmaresc> ogra: sent.  thanks for taking a look
[08:28] <Tyche69> baluba: it hasn't for me.
[08:28] <lourens> so I install the theme directly from the themes site
[08:28] <lourens> and then I get an error message:
[08:28] <merlin0> Tyche69: grubconf
[08:28] <Tyche69> merlin0 where is that?
[08:29] <lourens> Curacao 1.15 could not be installed because it is not compatible with this version of Firefox.
[08:29] <ogra> nightmaresc: looks good.... did you run gnome-volume-manager
[08:29] <merlin0> Tyche69: in packages
[08:29] <lourens> (Curacao 1.15 will only work with Firefox versions from 0.10 to 1.0+)
[08:29] <pc-3> yeah thats what i allso got
[08:29] <ogra> nightmaresc: Computer->Desktop Settings-> Removable Media
[08:29] <lourens> so I'm guessing FF gets confused with the version numbers
[08:29] <nightmaresc> ogra: okay, let me try that
[08:29] <ogra> nightmaresc: afterwards replug... and wait about 30 sek
[08:30] <tolstoy> anyone happen to know the emacs package that supports syntax highlighting of, say, python?
[08:30] <WW> ogra: By the way, it is actually "Desktop Preferences"
[08:30] <nightmaresc> ogra:  I only have "Removable Storage", run that?
[08:30] <ogra> nightmaresc: yep
[08:30] <tolstoy>  emacs-goodies?
[08:30] <nightmaresc> ogra: Do I need to do anything in it, or just run it?
[08:30] <ogra> WW: thanks.... everything german here....
[08:31] <Tyche69> merlin0 Okay it is installed. How do I run it?
[08:31] <lourens> according to the About box FF is 0.9.3, but apparently something goes wrong
[08:31] <baluba> lourens, ff in ubuntu is < 0.10
[08:31] <WW> ogra: Ah, that's right.
[08:31] <lourens> ah, of course
[08:31] <merlin0> Tyche69: is exoticus (run grubconf)
[08:31] <ogra> nightmaresc: just run it, close it , plug out ...wait a se plug in wait 30-50sek....should appear
[08:31] <lourens> 0.9.3 < 0.10, because 0.10 is the next development branch, right?
[08:31] <merlin0> type grubconf
[08:31] <nightmaresc> ogra: okay
[08:31] <DarkWorkin> umm I have a small problem
[08:31] <lourens> so I guess I'll just have to give that Synaptic thing a spin then and upgrade it :)
[08:31] <Tyche69> thanks everyone!
[08:32] <tolstoy> Ah! python-mode.  Well, that's clear as a bell!
[08:32] <lourens> go ahead DarkWorkin
[08:32] <DarkWorkin> I don't remember entering in a root password on my test box
[08:32] <DarkWorkin> but it's asking for one now
[08:32] <baluba> lourens, not exactly, mozilla folks just do a mess with naming and versions
[08:32] <DarkWorkin> when I go to use dpkg
[08:32] <merlin0> DarkWorkin: is password of your first account
[08:32] <DarkWorkin> hrm
[08:33] <DarkWorkin> well that's odd because I tried that
[08:33] <nightmaresc> ogra: didn't do anything :(
[08:34] <nightmaresc> ogra: also, it's FAT32, I don't know why it says NTFS in dmesg
[08:34] <ogra> nightmaresc: did you tweak anything in hotplug ?
[08:34] <lourens> DarkWorkin: just use your user password
[08:34] <lourens> that's what I'm doing and it seems to work just fine :)
[08:34] <DarkWorkin> I tried it laurens
[08:34] <baluba> lourens, and FF is going to stay 0.9.3 in the next six months (in ubuntu)
[08:34] <nightmaresc> ogra: I'm not sure.  I've only been doing what people told me to do, so I may have
[08:34] <DarkWorkin> dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege
[08:34] <DarkWorkin> jetten@network-admin:~ $ su
[08:34] <DarkWorkin> Password:
[08:34] <DarkWorkin> su: Authentication failure
[08:34] <shaver> use sudo
[08:35] <DarkWorkin> ah
[08:35] <shaver> sudo apt-get install foo
[08:35] <shaver> and then use your password
[08:35] <ogra> DarkWorkin: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:35] <DarkWorkin> I got it
[08:35] <DarkWorkin> thanks
[08:36] <cardador> baluba: my ubuntu firefox is 1.0RC1
[08:36] <DarkWorkin> new to the whole ubuntu thing.. debian in general
[08:36] <lourens> hmm, so I guess I need to add another repository in Synaptic?
[08:36] <lourens> yeah I'm also new to Debian
[08:36] <lourens> I could build it from source, but I don't know how to install the package, how is that :)
[08:36] <ogra> nightmaresc:  /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun1: p1 indicates that everything is working HW wise....
[08:37] <baluba> cardador, how's that?
[08:37] <nightmaresc> ogra:  is that p1 part of the command?  i get no such file or directory
[08:38] <ogra> nightmaresc: nope.... p1 = partition 1
[08:38] <mdz> baluba, lourens: firefox is already at 1.0RC1 in Hoary
[08:38] <cardador> baluba: i have upgraded to hoary
[08:38] <punkass> is there any nice howtos for ubuntu for setting up fstab to access a fat32 drive for all users?
[08:38] <cardador> baluba: but hoary is for the fearless :)
[08:38] <ogra> cardador: hope you know what youre doing....
[08:38] <Striss> cardador, how is hoary treating you?
[08:39] <mdz> bah
[08:39] <nightmaresc> ogra: so i'd put hda1, or something like that there?  sorry, i'm fairly new to most commands
[08:39] <cardador> ogra: im used to debian unstable ;)
[08:39] <yann> punkass: just add user to the options in /etc/fstab
[08:39] <Striss> o
[08:39] <cardador> Striss: quite well
[08:39] <Striss> i'm tempted to upgrade to hoary, but i'm too scared yet
[08:39] <punkass> thats it?
[08:39] <paulproteus> Oh, God.  I switched my laptop from Debian to Ubuntu so I wouldn't have to dist-upgrade all the time like unstable.  (i.e., to increase my sanity.)  But if hoary is available by apt-get.... ;)
[08:39] <ogra> cardador: i dont think you can compare this
[08:39] <lourens> so, assuming that I'm fearless, how would I upgrade to Hoary? Or can I just upgrade FF and leave the rest the same?
[08:39] <baluba> well hoary is a whole different issue
[08:39] <Striss> i'm wondering if hoary is usable at all for ppc
[08:40] <mdz> paulproteus: you don't _have_ to upgrade all the time, neither with Debian nor Ubuntu
[08:40] <mdz> Striss: yes
[08:40] <Striss> hmm really
[08:40] <cardador> lourens: i think you can upgrade only FF
[08:40] <paulproteus> mdz: I know.  I'm half-joking.  I like the latest software, but I realize that being crazy isn't always good.
[08:40] <mdz> works for me anyway
[08:40] <punkass> cuz i have user,rw in the list and its only accessible via root
[08:40] <lourens> that would be nice cardador
[08:40] <Striss> mdz, you're using hoary on ppc?
[08:40] <cardador> lourens: you should change your repositories from warty to hoary
[08:40] <mdz> Striss: well, yes
[08:40] <Striss> i have a little question if anybody is using ubuntu ppc...OpenGL is really, really slow in X for me...but opengl stuff worked perfect in OS X
[08:41] <Striss> i had the same problem in Yellowdog
[08:41] <Striss> is there anything i can do to make opengl work normally?
[08:41] <lourens> they're not in the list in Synaptic though...
[08:41] <mdz> Striss: what kind of graphics card do you have?
[08:41] <Striss> its a crappy Rage 128 Pro
[08:41] <baluba> lourens, i would wait anyway. FF 1.0 final is just 7 days far
[08:41] <paulproteus> mdz: I installed Warty on two machines with 64MB of RAM.  GNOME is mostly unusable, and openoffice.org takes a full minute to load.  Are there any recommendations on either how to slim down an Ubuntu install, or on a minimum RAM size I can recommend?
[08:41] <Striss> but still it worked fine in OS X
[08:41] <lourens> hmm, that's a good point I guess...I can wait a week for my Curacao theme :)
[08:42] <lourens> OTOH, if updating stuff is really that easy then why not do it now and again next week?
[08:42] <khronic> FF 0.10.1 is crashing a lot on me..hope thats a fix in 1.0 :)
[08:42] <nightmaresc> ogra: i'm still getting file/directory not found
[08:42] <cardador> paulproteus: you could try XFCE4, its a light weigth DE
[08:42] <yann> Striss, if you get it to work tell me how, i have a powerbook with ati mobile
[08:42] <baluba> lourens, sure, if you switch to hoary
[08:42] <chibifs> XFCE4.2!
[08:42] <Striss> yann, same problem?
[08:43] <ogra> nightmaresc: if you plugged in, look in "disks" if its there
[08:43] <chibifs> Not 4. 4.2 is much better. :P
[08:43] <lourens> I have a PC based laptop with a Radeon Mobility M7 and I got hardware 3D to work with a recent DRI snapshot on X.org 6.7.0
[08:43] <nightmaresc> ogra: i only have my linux and windows partitions listed there
[08:43] <Striss> i'd love to switch to X.org...i've no idea how tho
[08:43] <yann> Striss, yes, opengl is very slow
[08:43] <usuario6> Hi...
[08:43] <baluba> khronic, fresh firefox realeses are like apple's early models
[08:44] <khronic> heh
[08:44] <chibifs> http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=37 <- You'll need a library from hoary for that build.
[08:44] <lourens> not sure about the rage card though, and I don't know about PowerPC
[08:44] <mdz> plovs: ubuntu is a priority on ubuntu? :-)
[08:44] <mdz> plovs: (SecurityPage)
[08:44] <Fabian> Where acquire Ubuntu?
[08:44] <lourens> Striss: what are you running now then?
[08:44] <ogra> nightmaresc: where do you get the file/directory not found error ?
[08:44] <Striss> ubuntu ppc with XFree86
[08:44] <WW> This is strange. I'm trying to unmount the flash drive by right-clicking the desktop icon and selecting Unmount Volume, but it tells me the device is busy.  But I have no shells or Nautilus browsers using it.
[08:45] <ogra> WW: lsof ?
[08:45] <Striss> if anybody can help out with really slow opengl issues in X, please let me know
[08:45] <WW> ogra: Same to you, buddy!
[08:45] <Fabian> WW: Ubuntu uses flashdrive?
[08:45] <WW> ogra: Oh, that was a command? :)
[08:45] <ogra> WW: yup ;)
[08:45] <chibifs> Striss- Do you have X hardware acceleration enabled?
[08:45] <nightmaresc> ogra: from the /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun1: p1, command.  although i'm not entirely sure what to put where p1 is
[08:46] <lourens> WW: it could be FAM, I've had similar problems with it in the past...
[08:46] <ogra> nightmaresc: its a path, not a command.....
[08:46] <WW> Fabian: flash disk, keychain, whatever it's called...
[08:46] <nightmaresc> ogra: so cd to it?
[08:47] <Striss> chibifs, i have no idea...how can i find out
[08:47] <ogra> nightmaresc: nope, its a path for a device.... its like cd /dev/hda ... wont work
[08:47] <chibifs> Are you using an nvidia graphics card?
[08:47] <Striss> nope, its a rage 128 pro
[08:47] <nightmaresc> ogra: okay.  so what do i do with it then?
[08:47] <lourens> Striss: try typing glxinfo in a console
[08:47] <Striss> k
[08:48] <chibifs> Do you have it set to use the official drivers, or the X stock drivers? :/
[08:48] <lourens> near the top of the output, there is probably a line that says "Direct rendering: no"
[08:48] <Fabian> WW: O Kappa! I have a Flash Drive and I think to use it with Ubuntu nearly! ;)
[08:48] <Striss> yep, it says "direct rending: no"
[08:48] <WW> ogra: "lsof" prints a LOT of stuff. "lsof | grep sda1" prints nothing.
[08:48] <Striss> rendering, sorry
[08:48] <ogra> nightmaresc: i think we have to wait if pitti comes around, or file a bug against g-v-m
[08:48] <lourens> WW: try grepping for the mount point instead
[08:48] <Striss> how can i go about enabling direct rendering?
[08:48] <lourens> well, you need a driver that enables support for that card
[08:49] <nightmaresc> ogra: okay.  well thanks for helping me.  i have to goto class so i'll be back later on
[08:49] <baluba> WW, is famd
[08:49] <chibifs> Striss- First off, you need the official driver.
[08:49] <lourens> recent X.org may have it
[08:49] <Pizbit> WW: Try fuser -avc /where/it/is/mounted as root(or sudo)
[08:49] <ogra> nightmaresc: k
[08:49] <Striss> how difficult would it be for me to switch to X.org?
[08:49] <ogra> baluba: great idea !
[08:49] <WW> lourens: The mount point is /media/sda1
[08:49] <chibifs> xorg has no official drivers. :/
[08:49] <Pizbit> WW: That command should show which program is using it and running as what user, the PID of it too
[08:49] <lourens> WW: ah okay, never mind then...
[08:50] <baluba> ogra, lourens said first :)
[08:50] <lourens> chibifs: what do you mean by "official driver" exactly?
[08:50] <ogra> ;)
[08:50] <Striss> so i'll need official ati rage 128 drivers for XFree86?
[08:50] <chibifs> The company produced driver, lourens. :P
[08:50] <WW> Pizbit: Thanks.
[08:50] <WW> baluba: Good call. It is famd, indeed.
[08:51] <lourens> are there any? besides, they're proprietary...
[08:51] <chibifs> Look for fglrx-driver in synaptic
[08:51] <Pizbit> Yeah, famd is a pain sometimes.
[08:51] <ogra> WW: its always famd :(
[08:51] <chibifs> Those will probably work for the rage.
[08:51] <Pizbit> WW: ps aux | grep famd -> Kill it off, unmount it, then run the famd command again(as root)
[08:52] <ogra> bah
[08:52] <Pizbit> (The command as show by the ps aux bit)
[08:52] <ogra> ugly
[08:52] <Pizbit> Works:D
[08:52] <ogra> but the best workaround ;)
[08:52] <lourens> http://dri.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ATIRage128?action=highlight&value=CategoryHardware
[08:52] <Pizbit> Doesn't usually happen though
[08:52] <lourens> DRI should support ATI Rage 128
[08:52] <lourens> but I'm not sure whether they'll work on PPC
[08:53] <baluba> WW, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102760
[08:53] <cardador> Pizbit: but it solves the problem forever? or just until the next time you plug your pen?
[08:53] <lourens> actually I doubt the proprietary driver will work on a non-x86 platform
[08:53] <Pizbit> cardador: The problem shouldn't be happening at all, it doesn't happen here, possibly it might happen again, also possible it never will
[08:54] <baluba> it's a bug in the kernel
[08:54] <ogra> cardador: only one time :(
[08:54] <cardador> Pizbit: im my work pc it happens each time i plug my pen and unplug it; so the 2nd time i try to plug it i cant mount it
[08:54] <WW> Pizbit: As Dr. Szell said to Babe: "Is it safe?"  (to just kill off famd, that is)
[08:54] <Pizbit> WW: It is:)
[08:54] <baluba> WW, it is
[08:54] <drakonim> hello all, I have a stupid question, whats missing from the current rhythmbox to get mp3's playing?  it works on another install I had done on a laptop about a month ago....
[08:54] <chibifs> Ooh. The new synaptic interface is nuts.
[08:54] <cardador> Pizbit: my workaround is to reboot :\
[08:55] <chibifs> I can't tell between evolution and synapt. :o
[08:55] <cardador> drakonim: gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:55] <Pizbit> cardador: Uh, you're trying to unmount it properly right?
[08:55] <ogra> drakonim: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:55] <drakonim> cardador, thanks
[08:55] <cardador> Pizbit: i guess, using nautilus
[08:55] <drakonim> ogra, read it, like i said it works on a diff machine already
[08:55] <cardador> right click, unmount
[08:55] <Pizbit> Oddly enough famd is probably being set on it by nautilus hehe
[08:55] <ogra> drakonim: k
[08:56] <ogra> Pizbit: wait for hoary ;)
[08:56] <lourens> http://dri.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/CvsBranches
[08:56] <lourens> check the note near the bottom about ATI Rage 128 and PPC
[08:56] <lourens> that is, it should be possible :)
[08:56] <Pizbit> ogra: Is it going out the window?
[08:56] <baluba> "> fam uses a kernel feature called dnotify, which is what causes this
[08:56] <baluba> > problem. There is a new replacement, called inotify, which we will have
[08:56] <baluba> > in HoaryHedgehog, along with a new fam replacement called gamin.
[08:56] <baluba> >
[08:56] <baluba> > - Jeff"
[08:57] <cardador> drakonim: :D
[08:57] <drakonim> thanks much!
[08:57] <ogra> mdz: is the famd drop decided for hoary ?
[08:57] <lourens> that is excellent news baluba
[08:57] <cardador> baluba: nicec
[08:57] <cardador> nice
[08:57] <drakonim> peace and chicken grease!!!
[08:57] <baluba> lourens, ubuntu-users is a nice list :)
[08:57] <mdz> ogra: yes
[08:57] <ogra> Pizbit:
[08:58] <lourens> guess I'll have to subscribe :)
[08:58] <ogra> mdz: thanks
[08:58] <cardador> brb, time to see barca-milan :P
[08:58] <lourens> actually I need to set up my email first
[08:58] <lourens> is Evolution compatible with maildir?
[08:59] <seb128> yes
[08:59] <plovs> mdz, i sure hope so, besides it sounds great (SecurityPage)
[09:00] <cocaxx> hi
[09:01] <lourens> Striss: how do you know that you're running XFree86?
[09:01] <WW> Thanks, all. Later.
[09:01] <baluba> lourens, high traffic though, i use gmail for it
[09:01] <cocaxx> Short question: Does ubuntu supports hal/udev/gvm?
[09:01] <lourens> that's okay
[09:01] <ogra_dinner> cocaxx: yes
[09:01] <lourens> cocaxx: I think I've seen hal flying by during the install...
[09:02] <cocaxx> great
[09:02] <subterrific> cocaxx: yes, it probably has the best support for those of any distro
[09:02] <lourens> otherwise I've been using it for all of 45 minutes... :)
[09:02] <tck> any shipping date on the cd's confirmed yet
[09:02] <cocaxx> I'm looking for a distro for my sister
[09:02] <ogra_dinner> lourens: *g*
[09:02] <subterrific> cocaxx: this is it
[09:02] <darkpines> Is there a good how-to on auto loading modules?
[09:02] <cocaxx> atm she has Fedora Core 2 and atm I dont know if she gets ubuntu or FC3 :)
[09:03] <tck> cocaxx, ubuntu is defo. the choice
[09:03] <tck> im bias though
[09:03] <cocaxx> hehe
[09:03] <Pizbit> darkpines: Just put the names of the modules you want loaded on boot into /etc/modules
[09:03] <cocaxx> if I ask this question #fedora they'll tell me the same for Fedora Core 3 *G*
[09:03] <Pizbit> cocaxx: Ahh, but we're right.
[09:04] <cocaxx> hehe :)
[09:04] <darkpines> Thanks, Pizbit.
[09:04] <tck> ok, give me her number
[09:04] <cocaxx> I'm downloading the live cd
[09:04] <tck> and i'll sum up the pros and cons
[09:04] <cocaxx> gg
[09:04] <ogra_dinner> cocaxx: feigling ;)
[09:04] <cocaxx> she isn't interested in this, she wants this fucking msn messenger and a webcam (%Z$&&/(%"!!%"%)
[09:04] <cocaxx> ogra_dinner: :))
[09:05] <tck> amsn and gnome-meeting work well for ubuntu
[09:05] <cocaxx> amsn doenst support sounds atm
[09:05] <cocaxx> but can gnome-meeting interact with the fucking msn?
[09:05] <cocaxx> btw: did I say that I hate msn?
[09:05] <ogra_dinner> cocaxx: gaim ?
[09:06] <cocaxx> no webcamsupport
[09:06] <tck> amsn sound works for me
[09:06] <cocaxx> ah?
[09:06] <cocaxx> then I'll have a look on it
[09:06] <cocaxx> (again)
[09:06] <tck> yes you will
[09:06] <jesper> tck, may I advocate Jabber :-)
[09:06] <tck> i never tried amsn with the webcam - could be interesting
[09:07] <cocaxx> hehe
[09:07] <lourens> I think I'll go have a look at getting my mail up and running
[09:07] <lourens> thanks for the help everyone
[09:08] <cocaxx> lol - BreakMyUbuntu *GGG*
[09:08] <ogra_dinner> cocaxx: yay
[09:08] <cocaxx> I'm a gentoo fanboy :)
[09:09] <CoryK> maybe i should run home and fix xchat so it doesn't start when i log in, then this constant starting and stopping of vnc wouldn't affect it;)
[09:10] <cocaxx> does ubuntu use debian packages or has it its own packages?
[09:10] <ogra_dinner> own
[09:10] <cocaxx> is there a list?
[09:12] <khronic> what's for dinner?!
[09:12] <khronic> :)
[09:12] <ogra_dinner> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[09:12] <cocaxx> thanks!
[09:12] <ogra_dinner> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[09:12] <ogra_dinner> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[09:12] <ogra_dinner> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[09:13] <ogra_dinner> khronic: pizza :)
[09:13] <cocaxx> :)))
[09:14] <ogra_dinner> khronic: +startrek on tv
[09:14] <cocaxx> hehe
[09:14] <RuffianSoldier> i got a full tank of unleaded
[09:14] <khronic> mmm..well the pizza sounds good :)
[09:15] <Pete-Gas> I have printing going with hp jetdirect and it works in all apps except for openoffice
[09:15] <Pete-Gas> the printer appers in the openoffice printer admin app
[09:15] <Pete-Gas> but it will not print a test page
[09:15] <chibifs> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6717719077&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOAB:US:6 :D I win!
[09:16] <ogra_dinner> chibifs: needs more ram for ubuntu
[09:16] <chibifs> Only going to be using it as a server.
[09:16] <ogra_dinner> ?? 32mb ??
[09:17] <chibifs> Yeah.
[09:17] <ogra_dinner> think it wont install
[09:17] <chibifs> Kernel and apache.
[09:17] <chibifs> I'm not going to use it as a desktop. :P
[09:17] <ogra_dinner> without a lot tweaking
[09:18] <cocaxx> aeh
[09:18] <chibifs> I doubt I'll be running X on it at all :P
[09:18] <cocaxx> no k3b??
[09:19] <cocaxx> tell me that I'm wron
[09:19] <cocaxx> g
[09:19] <Pizbit> cocaxx: You can get that via universe
[09:20] <cocaxx> universe? another repo?
[09:20] <Pizbit> It's the unsupported packages but they're built for Ubuntu
[09:20] <ogra_dinner> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[09:20] <cocaxx> ah, okay
[09:20] <cocaxx> thanks again :)
[09:22] <chibifs> Synaptic 0.55-1ubuntu1 doesn't have the ubuntu icon patched in. :/
[09:22] <ogra> oops
[09:23] <mvo_> chibifs: 0.55-1ubuntu2 has :)
[09:23] <ogra> therefore it works :)
[09:24] <chibifs> ::refreshes::
[09:25] <chibifs> Not in the bin. :/
[09:26] <ogra> mvo_: seen this ? https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticTutorial/
[09:26] <mvo_> ogra: yes, just hadn't had time yet to look closer
[09:30] <|trey|> Anyone know where I can see the output of Synaptic? I keep getting errors relating the EGG, and want to file a bug about it...
[09:32] <CVD> hi people... just a quick package question... is there an eclipse package for ubuntu?
[09:32] <mbb> hoary problem. fresh warty install, upgraded to hoary, then yesterday update/upgrade. gnome panels gone. today,
[09:32] <mvo_> |trey|: you can start synaptic inside a gnome-terminal
[09:33] <CVD> i know it isn't in universe of warthy... but does someone know if the sid package works?
[09:33] <|trey|> mvo_, that doesn't help when I have already done the upgrade...
[09:33] <mbb> another update/upgrade, and apt-get install gnome-panel. panels are back, but several applets missing (ie default ones like battery, wireless, volume control -date/time still OK.
[09:34] <mvo_> |trey|: so you need some kind of logging for the actual output of the package manager?
[09:34] <Todd_MA_1975> trey they bug is a known issue and is being fixed already - problem with mplayer I think.
[09:34] <mvo_> (dpkg that is)?
[09:34] <|trey|> mvo_, uhh, yeah...
[09:34] <anders_> CVD: yes, I'm running sid eclipse
[09:34] <|trey|> Todd_MA_1975, its not happening with mplayer though... its happening with _every_ GTK based app...
[09:34] <mbb> volume, wireless, battery not in the list of Add to Panel choices. Ideas??
[09:34] <CVD> anders_: thanks!
[09:34] <mvo_> |trey|: you are welcome to file a whishlist (enhancement) bug about this
[09:35] <Pizbit> mbb: gnome-panel-data ?
[09:35] <|trey|> mvo_, about what? wanting a log of synaptic output?
[09:35] <Pizbit> Or is it applets something
[09:35] <chibifs> What the hell is up with the gdesklets packages? :/
[09:35] <mvo_> |trey|: there is some proof-of-conecpt code ready, it will be part of one of the next releasea (about the output log-file)
[09:35] <Pizbit> chibifs: Not much?
[09:35] <mvo_> |trey|: yes
[09:35] <mbb> pizbit: don't know... thought you would!
[09:35] <|trey|> mvo_, hmm, so its impossible right now? that sucks  :(
[09:36] <chibifs> The desklets are for .30.. Most of them don't work. >.>
[09:36] <mvo_> |trey|: yes, sorry for that :/
[09:36] <Pizbit> mbb: Why're you trying hoary if you don't know how to fix stuff?:)
[09:36] <Todd_MA_1975> |trey| - From my eavesdropping it appears that mplayer had messed up desktop files so you see that output when you are upgrading other packages.  Apparently harmless error just disconcerting to see the Critical Error messages
[09:36] <|trey|> mvo_, its ok... just says "Critical" figured I should prolly report it  :o
[09:36] <|trey|> mvo_, then, most devels are running hoary too, so they likely see them a lot too  ;)
[09:37] <mvo_> |trey|: yes, probably :)
[09:37] <mbb> pizbit: one way to learn. hoary is in a separate partition, my warty is still usable.
[09:37] <|trey|> Pizbit, not following... but applets are 'gnome-applets(-data)'
[09:37] <Pizbit> mbb: Lesson number 1, when trying something that's still being setup, the first thing you do is wait to see if it fixes itself
[09:38] <CVD> anders_: where did you get the j2sdk from? just the download from sun or is there actually a package...?
[09:39] <|trey|> CVD, actual packages @ www.apt-get.org ...
[09:39] <anders_> CVD: download from sun and make .deb with java-package
[09:39] <ogra> |trey|: gtk 2.5
[09:39] <CVD> thank you all :)
[09:39] <|trey|> ogra, hmm, didn't even see that  :o
[09:40] <ogra> |trey|: shall support typeahead in input fields etc...
[09:40] <seb128> |trey|: focus stealing prevention in metacity, typeahead in gtk+, fileselector improvement, selectable of extensions to enable in epiphany, bookmark on several levels in epiphany, new diskmount applet in gnome-applets, new mixer
[09:40] <mbb> pizbit: (wait) yeah, that's why I gave it a day, and then a fresh update/upgrade. thinking maybe the applets deal needed to be mentioned.
[09:40] <Pizbit> Heh, one day?:)
[09:40] <cocaxx> cool
[09:40] <ogra> seb128: diskmount applet ??
[09:40] <cardador> has anyone noticed an huge bug on the firefox save dialog?
[09:41] <mbb> pizbit: yeah, considering the talent involved, a day should be lots... heheh.
[09:41] <seb128> ogra: one of the gnome-applets' applets
[09:41] <ogra> pretty ancient though
[09:41] <|trey|> seb128, thats one thing thats annoying for me, focus stealing... problems with it on EVERY os I have used  :(
[09:41] <cardador> misplaced and wrong icons on firefox save dialog
[09:41] <Pizbit> mbb: Also consider the size of the job, sometimes it can take(for this kind of thing) more than a week, or a minute :)
[09:41] <seb128> ogra: "new" I said ..  it has been remade
[09:42] <Pizbit> cardador: Tried using the default theme or are you?
[09:42] <seb128> |trey|: that's going to be fixed (at least they work on it)
[09:42] <ogra> seb128: wrong apprach me thinks...
[09:42] <cardador> Pizbit: default theme
[09:42] <|trey|> seb128, I have never liked epiphany though, so those things don't really matter to me  ;)
[09:42] <seb128> ogra: why ?
[09:42] <ogra> seb128: nautilus has "disks" its enough
[09:42] <seb128> |trey|: the typeahed in gtk+, the new applets, the new mixer, the fileselector improvement are not epiphany specific
[09:43] <seb128> ogra: how do you umount a drive ?
[09:43] <Pizbit> Argh! Gota run, laters
[09:43] <ogra> seb128: right click ?
[09:43] <seb128> ogra: on what ?
[09:43] <|trey|> ogra, being able to mount things from an applet is bad? I don't like things mounting on their own... poping up right away etc... its annoying, I don't always want to work with a CD I just put in right away...
[09:43] <|trey|> seb128, I know  :)
[09:43] <ogra> seb128: on the device icon in "disks"
[09:44] <ogra> seb128: or the desktop...depends
[09:44] <seb128> ogra: so you have to go in disks and know that you need to right click
[09:44] <seb128> ogra: that's not really intuitive
[09:44] <ogra> seb128: so you want to put it on the panel for every device by default ?
[09:45] <seb128> ogra: http://www.gnome.org/~jamesh/images/drive-mount-applet.png
[09:46] <kensai> ogra: I'm in hoary again. ;-)
[09:46] <|trey|> What is Nautical?
[09:46] <mjr> ogra, right, so I have this dual-head thing somewhat figured out, so how would I go about adding the info to that FinishInstallationHowto?
[09:47] <ogra> seb128: seen this already and must admit its beautiful, but i still think disks and the desktop are better places for intuition...
[09:47] <seb128> ogra: what's the problem with having the choice ?
[09:47] <seb128> ogra: just don't use it if you don't like it
[09:47] <ogra> seb128: you'd have to add it manually to the panel anyway....
[09:48] <seb128> I think we will add it to the default panel
[09:48] <seb128> it's useful
[09:48] <ogra> seb128: ok, if its there by default....
[09:49] <|trey|> seb128, yes, I think it should be on the default panel... preferably instead of "showdesktop' too, not just next to it... its the only default applet I *never* use  :(
[09:50] <mbb> [trey] : THANKS, 'gnome-applets' is what I needed to know, got my battery, wireless, volume back now!
[09:50] <|trey|> Another wishlist type thing: the Workspace Switcher, it should be skinnier... takes up too much panel room...
[09:51] <|trey|> mbb, yay  :)
[09:51] <|trey|> mbb, and I didn't even know I was helping you  8)
[09:52] <ogra> there was once planned to make neat little pictures of the desktop backgrounds in the switcher, has this been dropped ?
[09:52] <bur[n] er> switcher == vwm?
[09:52] <|trey|> ogra, ahh, that would be a bad thing imo  :(
[09:52] <RuffianSoldier> DEBIAN RULES!
[09:52] <ogra> rather vdm ;)
[09:52] <ogra> |trey|: why ?
[09:53] <|trey|> ogra, would convince people to make it too big... else the pics wouldn't be clear...
[09:53] <ogra> |trey|: just eyecandy ...
[09:53] <|trey|> RuffianSoldier, #debian
[09:53] <|trey|> ogra, if you want eye candy, use OS X... I want a functional desktop...
[09:54] <ogra> |trey|: no OS X for i386 ....
[09:54] <|trey|> ogra, actually there is, they just don't release it... (google: Marklar)
[09:55] <jdub> ogra: that will probably happen when per-workspace backgrounds turns up.
[09:55] <ogra> |trey|: i wont, i'm a sticky debian guy since 8 years .... ubuntu was the first thing that dragged me away
[09:55] <ogra> jdub: yay !!
[09:56] <|trey|> ogra, I've always gone back to Debian... Ubuntu is the first to keep me for more then a week since I first successfully installed Debian  :)
[09:56] <|trey|> ogra, only 3 years here though  :(
[09:56] <kevii> for all intents and purposes ubuntu is debian isn't it?
[09:56] <ogra> |trey. it grows...by time ;)))
[09:57] <|trey|> spacey`ki, ugh
[09:57] <spacey`ki> debian is not my taste however i like ubuntu;)
[09:57] <ogra> kevii: something like that... i would call it the future .....
[09:57] <|trey|> spacey`ki, that makes absolutely NO sense... Ubuntu IS Debian, just has a nicer starting point...
[09:58] <RuffianSoldier> exactly
[09:59] <RuffianSoldier> Easier, more stable debian
[09:59] <baluba> |trey|, to me it makes sense. and i bet to developers too :)
[09:59] <centurion> hi
[09:59] <RuffianSoldier> elllo
[09:59] <centurion> is gnome the only desktop to choose during the install
[09:59] <|trey|> many are very disenchanted by it...
[09:59] <centurion> ?
[09:59] <RuffianSoldier> whats the next Ubuntu gonna be called?
[09:59] <ogra> centurion: yes
[09:59] <|trey|> RuffianSoldier, it is called Hoary Hedgehog
[09:59] <centurion> hmmm
[09:59] <centurion> ic
[10:00] <centurion> what about kde, openbox etc?
[10:00] <ogra> centurion: you could make a custom install though.....but its a lot of work i think
[10:00] <RuffianSoldier> neat
[10:00] <|trey|> centurion, there really isn't a choice involved... but sure  :)
[10:00] <centurion> just curious I guess
[10:00] <|trey|> centurion, if you use Ubuntu, you use it because you prefer GNOME...
[10:00] <centurion> gotcha
[10:00] <centurion> fair enough man
[10:00] <centurion> i like gnome
[10:01] <centurion> just checking it all out
[10:01] <|trey|> ogra, not really... check out the automated install procedure of d-i...
[10:01] <chibifs> uim broke :/
[10:01] <centurion> I used to run gentoo-ppc on Tibook 667 but now I am just running osx due to lack of space
[10:01] <bur[n] er> anyone know if there are plans for desktop wheeling the vwm?  ie... use mouse scrollwheel on desktop changes VWM
[10:01] <|trey|> centurion, umm, you can use Gentoo on OS X...
[10:02] <centurion> yeah i know
[10:02] <ogra> |trey|: with the ubuntu default installer ? automated kde + x setup ?
[10:02] <|trey|> centurion, Fink even brings Debian to OS X
[10:02] <centurion> fuck that though
[10:02] <centurion> I know I am running fink and darwin ports
[10:02] <centurion> when I need certain things
[10:02] <chibifs> ewww... kde ;.;
[10:02] <centurion> I also just build from source alot of times
[10:02] <centurion> why not....
[10:02] <|trey|> ogra, Ubuntu's installer = debian-installer... and yes... you would just need to edit a file...
[10:02] <centurion> ya know
[10:02] <centurion> I was just curious about ubuntu
[10:03] <|trey|> ogra, #debian-boot and ask for help with automating install...
[10:03] <CVD> hm... i made a java package with make-jpkg, called sun-j2sdk1.4, but when I try to install it tells me it needs sun-j2sdk1.4debian... anyone know if this is a lethal error or f i can just force dpkg?
[10:03] <ogra> |trey. i know...
[10:03] <ogra> |trey|: why should i, im happy as it is....
[10:03] <|trey|> ogra, mainly cuz its interesting knowing what you can do...
[10:04] <|trey|> CVD, install it then... its in multiverse too  ;)
[10:04] <ogra> |trey|: and i really dont want to support things like this if its avoidable
[10:04] <CVD> multiverse? another repos i need to add, it seems :)
[10:04] <|trey|> ogra, you don't want to support ease of deployment in enterprise environments?
[10:04] <ogra> |trey|: ubuntu is a gnome distro, remeber
[10:05] <ogra> ?
[10:05] <|trey|> umm, ok... good plan
[10:05] <baluba> they'll support kde at some point, no?
[10:05] <ogra> i dont think so ...
[10:05] <topyli> baluba: prbably not
[10:06] <|trey|> ogra, in an enterprise environment, I don't want to lug around 1,000 disks, and manually install each box... I want to push that out... d-i can make that easier...
[10:06] <|trey|> baluba, hopefully, KDE will never be supported, no
[10:06] <jdub> |trey|: dude, please quit with the kde/gnome stuff
[10:06] <baluba> hehe
[10:06] <ogra> |trey|: if i come to install 1000 dektops, i'll rent Kamion ;) as i can afford it at this size i guess
[10:07] <|trey|> jdub, umm, huh? I'm just answering a question?
[10:07] <jdub> 08:06 < |trey|> baluba, hopefully, KDE will never be supported, no
[10:07] <mjg59> Unlikely
[10:07] <|trey|> jdub, I used to be a KDE zealot... I am not being disrespectful to either...
[10:07] <chibifs> It's a matter of prefrence, yeah-- But there are about 200 distros with full KDE support, and like 5 with gnome. :/
[10:07] <|trey|> jdub, thats an opinion.
[10:07] <baluba> |trey|, i do think it's a matter of strategy, they can't support everything appropriately from the start
[10:07] <|trey|> jdub, in enterprise, it causes more trouble for tech support if too much is supported...
[10:08] <jdub> |trey|: no point trying to explain it away. please just don't do it.
[10:08] <yo> how to set enviroment variables ?
[10:08] <yo> like PATH
[10:08] <|trey|> jdub, whatever  :/
[10:08] <yo> i edit /etc/profiles
[10:08] <yo> an add JAVA path to PATH
[10:09] <|trey|> yo, export $PATH='blah'
[10:09] <yo> but it doesn't work
[10:09] <yo> yeah this is temporality
[10:09] <|trey|> yo, umm, just edit .bashrc ... its easier  ;)
[10:09] <yo> when i reboot i need to set it again
[10:09] <yo> .bashrc ?
[10:09] <|trey|> vi ~/.bashrc
[10:10] <yo> yeah
[10:10] <yo> but what about  /etc/profiles ?
[10:10] <baluba> yo, hey you asked early today :)
[10:10] <yo> for what it uses ?
[10:10] <yo> yeah
[10:10] <yo> but i can do it
[10:10] <baluba> yo, have you read those docs?
[10:10] <yo> i can't do it
[10:10] <yo> yes i read it
[10:10] <yo> but don't work
[10:10] <|trey|> yo, uhh, when I say .bashrc, I really mean .bash_profile  ;)
[10:11] <yo> i only have to set java path
[10:11] <|trey|> yo, /etc/profiles = sys default if there is no .profile or .bash_profile
[10:12] <yo> i only have bash.bashrc in /etc
[10:12] <ogra> yo put it there
[10:12] <yo> ok
[10:12] <yo> i will try it
[10:13] <georgia> lo
[10:13] <shaver> I thought it was /etc/profile
[10:13] <sivang> does anybody know how I can copy discs in GNOME?
[10:13] <|trey|> shaver, same here... I figured he had just looked at that though, so gave him the benifit of the doubt  ;)
[10:14] <yo> when i put the export PATH line ?
[10:14] <shaver> I mean, vs. /etc/profiles
[10:14] <|trey|> yo, umm, vi ~/.bash_profile... there is already a PATH= section... this will mean you don't have to keep setting it...
[10:14] <mchang> howdy folks
[10:14] <|trey|> mchang, sup man :)
[10:15] <yo> ok
[10:15] <mchang> any hints on mass ubuntu installs?
[10:15] <yo> it works
[10:15] <mchang> just joined the mailing list and posted the same question :)
[10:15] <yo> this solution is for all users ?
[10:15] <ogra> mchang: ask |trey| he knows all about it ;)
[10:15] <|trey|> ogra, blah
[10:15] <mchang> I'm looking to insatll about 10-15 machines in the next few weeks (at once). I'd hate to hit the ubuntu apt sources every time.
[10:16] <mchang> That's part 1. The second thing is getting a kickstart thing going on, or at least netinstall.
[10:16] <shaver> use a cache
[10:16] <|trey|> mchang, #debian-boot is a better place to ask... just don't mention its for Ubuntu, else you start an argument, and never get an answer  ;)
[10:16] <yo> a question
[10:16] <yo> this solutions works if i create a shortcut of a java program ?
[10:16] <mchang> shaver: ok, caching proxy.
[10:16] <|trey|> mchang, can set up a local box with apt-proxy  :)
[10:16] <baluba> yo yo man
[10:17] <yo> i try into gnome , but don't work
[10:17] <mchang> Ok. But to do that, it needs to be in-line?
[10:17] <mchang> (with the network connection)?
[10:17] <yo> it only work on console
[10:17] <mchang> Or, unless I can redirect the installer to point to the apt-proxy boxy, right? (never used it)
[10:18] <yo> i try to reboot
[10:18] <|trey|> mchang, yeah, Ubuntu's installer wouldn't be the best choice right now... it doesn't really ask about sources etc.. just does its thing...
[10:18] <yo> bye to all
[10:19] <yo> thanks !
[10:19] <nosilver4u> any ideas why libgd2 would be non-working with php?
[10:19] <|trey|> mchang, just have a d-i netinst use Ubuntu's sources  :)
[10:19] <mchang> |trey|, yes, it does. but if I put a box as the gateway, it'll work with a caching proxy.
[10:19] <|trey|> mchang, if you install 'ubuntu-desktop' you basically have an Ubuntu system...
[10:20] <spacey`ki> |trey|, i do not agree. Debian doesn't offer what ubuntu does, and i don't feel at home with the debian mentality. ubuntu is different from debian in community sense. at least that is what i think atm ;)
[10:21] <mchang> so, install ubuntu-desktop from the d-i netinst?
[10:21] <|trey|> mchang, yes... so you can use a local apt repo, you said you didn't want to use the ubuntu archive...
[10:22] <nosilver4u> nevermind, i'm an idiot
[10:22] <mchang> So mirror the archive from ubuntu, then make it available ... gotcha.
[10:22] <yo> hi to all
[10:22] <yo> set JAVA PATh into bash profile
[10:22] <mchang> and just get a d-i netinstall boot sector onto a usb key ....
[10:23] <yo> only work in console mode
[10:23] <|trey|> mchang, apt-cache show apt-proxy ...  it sets up a box with a local repo, so you only download over the internet once...
[10:23] <yo> not into gnome desktop
[10:23] <yo> how to set java path to work into gnome desktop ?
[10:23] <mchang> |trey|, then point every machine at that instead using the debian installer. ok
[10:23] <|trey|> mchang, *nods*  :)
[10:24] <Stuttergart> anyone here from Canonical?
[10:24] <mchang> |trey|, so somewhere out there is a debian-installer howto, i assume?
[10:24] <jdub> Stuttergart: always
[10:24] <|trey|> mchang, yes, a very comprehensive one too... I just can't find it right now  :(
[10:24] <mchang> |trey|, np.
[10:24] <|trey|> mchang, hence asking in #debian-boot  :(
[10:24] <mchang> getting onto a usb key, that'd be awesome.
[10:25] <|trey|> mchang, not familier with what that is really  :(
[10:25] <mchang> |trey|, http://d-i.pascal.at/
[10:25] <yo> anyone can help me ?
[10:26] <yo> ??
[10:26] <jdub> yo: set it in /etc/environment
[10:26] <jdub> that'll set it for everyone
[10:27] <yo> i try it
[10:27] <|trey|> mchang, that looks like it would be applicable to using Ubuntu too.. just need to ensure you are pointing at the correct files in your apt-proxy  :)
[10:27] <mchang> |trey|, awesome. i'm in.
[10:28] <|trey|> mchang, first thing: setup apt-proxy... takes a while to rsync a repo  :(
[10:28] <mchang> |trey|, heh...
[10:29] <yo> i reboot
[10:30] <the_tux> hi all
[10:30] <|trey|> the_tux, hey
[10:31] <Ruffian|JANE|> Ubuntu rules
[10:31] <|trey|> Ruffian|JANE|, indeed
[10:31] <|trey|> the_tux, need any help?
[10:32] <the_tux> is there a doc about apt-get ?
[10:32] <|trey|> the_tux, in /usr/share/dox/apt-utils kinda... and man apt-get...
[10:32] <mdz> |trey|: there is the howto: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/
[10:33] <the_tux> ok...thanks so much :)
[10:33] <mdz> |trey|: but if you're not already familiar with apt, it's probably better to go directly to aptitude
[10:33] <mdz> er
[10:33] <mdz> s/|trey|/the_tux/
[10:33] <the_tux> mdz, thanks so much
[10:33] <|trey|> mdz, or even synaptic, right  ;)
[10:33] <mdz> indeed
[10:34] <mdz> wow, 305 people
[10:34] <ATJ> New record?
[10:34] <ATJ> :)
[10:34] <|trey|> ATJ, yup  :)
[10:35] <mdz> dunno. what's the most you guys have seen?
[10:35] <jdub> 260ish.
[10:35] <khronic> anyone have any problem with FireFox *not* storing your download prefs? (what apps open what files)
[10:35] <|trey|> mdz, previous most I noticed was 276  :)
[10:35] <yann> there have been 320 in here about 2-3 hours ago
[10:35] <|trey|> yann, didn't notice that  :(
[10:36] <yo> hi
[10:36] <yo> what do i set into /etc/environment
[10:36] <yo> i put PATH="${PATH}:/usr/lib/jdk/bin"
[10:36] <yo> and gnome don't work
[10:37] <defendguin> is there a way to get sda1 replaces with flash for when i plug in my flash drive?
[10:37] <defendguin> is there a bluecurve package available?
[10:37] <the_tux> I would like to learn gtk+ programming (i know C programming) and I am an beginner for the gtk+ I would like to know could anyone give me an link for the sites who explaines (like gtk.org/tutorial, but i know that site) ?
[10:37] <yo> anyone knows?
[10:37] <|trey|> yo, umm, you need /usr/bin ATLEAST in there... you are setting the path, so its kinda pointless including '${PATH}'
[10:38] <zeropo> hi
[10:38] <the_tux> hi zeropo
[10:38] <zeropo> does anyone know how to change refresh rate in xfce ?
[10:38] <zeropo> i have 75hz in 1280x1024, and want 85hz =)
[10:39] <yo> |trey| , how i can add JAVA path ?
[10:39] <yo> i'm so newbie
[10:39] <|trey|> zeropo, XFce4.2 will allow this... 4.0.x doesn't have an option..
[10:40] <|trey|> yo, at the very least, PATH='/usr/bin:/usr/lib/jdk/bin' ...
[10:40] <yo> only this into /etc/enviroment ?
[10:40] <zeropo> |trey|: is that option in 4.2 beta also?
[10:40] <the_tux> zeropo, you have to configure your /etc/xorg.conf
[10:41] <shaver> yeah, I had to put that into /etc/environment
[10:41] <yo> ok
[10:41] <yo> i try it
[10:41] <|trey|> zeropo, 4.2 isn't released yet, so yeah...
[10:41] <shaver> also, it didn't do variable substitutions
[10:41] <shaver> which was _very_ weird
[10:41] <|trey|> the_tux, xorg isn't part of Ubuntu yet.
[10:42] <yo> in the next version of ubuntu , i think would be good idea to include a CD/DVD burning program
[10:42] <tck> isn't it schduled for next release ?
[10:42] <tck> x.org that is
[10:42] <jdub> yo: warty has nautilus-cd-burner
[10:42] <shaver> yo: nautilus can burn CDs
[10:42] <shaver> not that it works for me
[10:42] <the_tux> |trey|, i am sorry....then it is /etc/X11/XFree86 ?
[10:42] <jdub> yo: hopefully something depthier will turn up for hoary
[10:42] <shaver> though cdrecord and growisofs do
[10:42] <yo> but i think a program like K3b with gtk libraries
[10:42] <shaver> just keeps telling me to add media
[10:42] <|trey|> the_tux, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:42] <jdub> shaver: bong
[10:42] <nomasteryoda> yea, but k3b rocks
[10:42] <shaver> and it's not clear how to find out what's wrong, or where to tell it what drive to use
[10:43] <the_tux> sorry
[10:43] <shaver> jdub: water
[10:43] <the_tux> ok bye everybody
[10:43] <gro> fyi: installed ubuntu this afternoon on 4 ibm xSeries 306 with SATA serverRAID : the beginning of an ubuntu farm :)
[10:43] <jdub> shaver: sip-sip!
[10:43] <nomasteryoda> gro farm...
[10:43] <nomasteryoda> nice
[10:43] <zeropo> how do i kill synaptic? it hangs =(
[10:43] <|trey|> zeropo, pkill synaptic
[10:44] <gro> yeah nomasteryoda they are happing chewing mail now :)
[10:44] <|trey|> zeropo, or Applications > System Tools > System Monitor if you want a pretty frontend  ;)
[10:44] <Ruffian|JANE|> WHy when i try to apt-get install kde, when its about to install it tells me to insert the Ubuntu CD ROM?
[10:45] <|trey|> Ruffian|JANE|, because its listed in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:45] <nomasteryoda> gro, ...good ...keep feeding them SPAM
[10:45] <nomasteryoda> and they'll gro big
[10:45] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[10:45] <shaver> jdub: seriously, the diagnostic process for gnome is a disaster
[10:45] <Ruffian|JANE|> |trey|, so.... i have no CD-ROM drive, so this means I cant install KDE?
[10:45] <yo> well
[10:45] <yo> i'm going to be offline
[10:45] <yo> bye to all
[10:45] <Ruffian|JANE|> bye
[10:46] <yo> thanks for your answers !!!
[10:46] <|trey|> Ruffian|JANE|, no, just remove the line... and make sure Universal is activated...
[10:46] <gro> nomasteryoda: indeed... with an average of 15000 spam mails a day.... ;)
[10:46] <zeropo> what's the difference between apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[10:46] <nomasteryoda> whoa
[10:46] <jdub> shaver: bits suck more than others; wouldn't be surprised if there's a debug mode for n-c-b.
[10:46] <|trey|> zeropo, upgrade doesn't upgrade packages that changed majorly..
[10:46] <zeropo> okay=)
[10:46] <Ruffian|JANE|> |trey|, duh universe is activated, how else would i even know if KDE was apt-getable.
[10:47] <shaver> jdub: I couldn't find anything, but I'll look again
[10:47] <seb128> jdub: /apps/nautilus-cd-burner/debug
[10:47] <shaver> cool
[10:47] <shaver> where does that spew to?
[10:47] <|trey|> zeropo, so, new config schemes, new deps etc would mean something didn't get upgraded, whereas dist-upgrade would be smart about this and resolve the deps etc...
[10:47] <jdub> seb128: heh
[10:47] <Ruffian|JANE|> |trey| which line do i remove?
[10:47] <|trey|> Ruffian|JANE|, the first one
[10:47] <|trey|> Ruffian|JANE|, pointing at the cdrom drive that apparently isn't even there...
[10:47] <Ruffian|JANE|> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ -?
[10:48] <|trey|> Ruffian|JANE|, yes
[10:48] <Ruffian|JANE|> ok
[10:48] <crimsun> zeropo: more precisely, dist-upgrade permits addition/removal of packages, whereas upgrade does not
[10:48] <Ruffian|JANE|> and this is safe?
[10:48] <Ruffian|JANE|> should i make a backup of that line on G-Edit?
[10:48] <zeropo> what should I add to XF86Config-4 so i get 85hz instead of 75hz ?
[10:48] <|trey|> crimsun, smartass  ;)
[10:48] <|trey|> Ruffian|JANE|, if you really want, you can cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.old or something...
[10:49] <gro> btw: what is the state of the enterprise version of ubuntu?
[10:49] <bo_> bye bo__
[10:49] <bo_> ^^
[10:49] <|trey|> gro, you tell us, you are using the enterprise desktop  ;)
[10:50] <Ruffian|JANE|> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ -
[10:50] <Ruffian|JANE|> 0 upgraded, 268 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[10:50] <Ruffian|JANE|> Need to get 144MB/150MB of archives.
[10:50] <Ruffian|JANE|> After unpacking 424MB of additional disk space will be used.
[10:50] <Ruffian|JANE|> Do you want to continue? [Y/n]  y
[10:50] <Ruffian|JANE|> Media Change: Please insert the disc labeled
[10:50] <Ruffian|JANE|>  'Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041001)'
[10:50] <Ruffian|JANE|> in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter
[10:50] <zeropo> brb, get my snus
[10:50] <jdub> gro: there's no separate 'enterprise' version; at some stage, we will have a release that is supported for significantly longer than 18 months.
[10:50] <|trey|> Ruffian|JANE|, dude, just remove that line... and don't paste so much in here!
[10:51] <Ruffian|JANE|> i removed the line
[10:51] <Ruffian|JANE|> it did nothing
[10:51] <|trey|> uhh, s/dude/girl/ I think?
[10:51] <gro> ok, jdub, that will be very welcome
[10:51] <Bobo_> zeropo: u think they know what snus is here?.. :-)
[10:51] <|trey|> Ruffian|JANE|, apt-get update
[10:51] <Ruffian|JANE|> still did asks for the CD
[10:51] <|trey|> Ruffian|JANE|, it won't if the line is gone...
[10:51] <zeropo> Bobo_: not really, u're from scandinavia also?
[10:52] <Ruffian|JANE|> oops
[10:52] <Ruffian|JANE|> was saving my backup
[10:52] <Ruffian|JANE|> thats why
[10:52] <Ruffian|JANE|> lame
[10:52] <Bobo_> zeropo: I am from SnusLand... Sweden
[10:53] <Bobo_> zeropo: But originally from Norway like u
[10:53] <zeropo> okay
[10:55] <zeropo> Bobo_: du snuser general eller?
[10:55] <Ruffian|JANE|> |trey|. i removed it, now i cant apt-get
[10:55] <stuNNed_> hi all
[10:55] <|trey|> Ruffian|JANE|, ugh, apt-get update
[10:56] <stuNNed_> is there any way to get a package count for multiverse repo?
[10:56] <Ruffian|JANE|> |trey| i cant even apt-get update
[10:57] <nevyn> Hello.
[10:57] <Ruffian|JANE|> damnit
[10:57] <|trey|> Ruffian|JANE|, whats the error?
[10:57] <HrdwrBoB> hello
[10:57] <Ruffian|JANE|> root@Ubuntu:/home/jane # apt-get update
[10:57] <Ruffian|JANE|> E: Type 'Binary-1' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:57] <Ruffian|JANE|> root@Ubuntu:/home/jane #
[10:57] <HrdwrBoB> Ruffian|JANE|: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:57] <HrdwrBoB> and remove the cdrom line
[10:58] <HrdwrBoB> well, put  # at the start of it
[10:58] <Ruffian|JANE|> aaah
[10:58] <Ruffian|JANE|> it cant edit it for some reson
[10:58] <Ruffian|JANE|> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041001)] / unstable main restricted
[10:58] <|trey|> ugh, back that up... put this in a new file and move it to /etc/apt/sources.list:
[10:58] <|trey|> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted
[10:58] <|trey|> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted
[10:58] <|trey|> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe multiverse
[10:58] <|trey|> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe multiverse
[10:59] <|trey|> uhh wait, cept hoary = warty though...
[10:59] <|trey|> then apt-get update && apt-get install kde
[11:00] <|trey|> Ruffian|JANE|, thats all it needs to say though...
[11:00] <bluefoxicy> ubuntu earns congratulations on their excellent webdesign; the "quick links" at the top of the MAIN PAGE is an ingenious device, alternate to obfuscating such important and commonly accessed locations by jumbling them inside a large menu
[11:00] <Ruffian|JANE|> dude, i cant edit my sources list now
[11:00] <Ruffian|JANE|> nor can i save it
[11:00] <Ruffian|JANE|> its read only........
[11:00] <stuNNed_> is there a sound utility in ubuntu?  the module for my soundcard is loaded but alsa says no soundcards detected
[11:00] <|trey|> Ruffian|JANE|, ugh... wtf did you do? I just told you to remove a line  :/
[11:00] <baluba> bluefoxicy, plone :)
[11:01] <Ruffian|JANE|> i can know
[11:01] <Ruffian|JANE|> i can edit it
[11:01] <giz404> Hi everybody
[11:01] <Ruffian|JANE|> here is the beginning line: Binary-1 (20041001)] / unstable main restricted
[11:01] <anders_> stuNNed_: what sound card?
[11:01] <|trey|> Ruffian|JANE|, ok, yeah, why is that there?
[11:01] <Ruffian|JANE|> since i removed the cd thing
[11:01] <bluefoxicy> the prince thanks you for your hospitality
[11:01] <bluefoxicy> and for your eyes
[11:01] <bluefoxicy> and your tongue.
[11:01] <Ruffian|JANE|> remove that also?
[11:02] <stuNNed_> anders_, intel i810 on a laptop
[11:02] <|trey|> Ruffian|JANE|, thats the line I told you to remove like 5 mins ago...
[11:02] <zeropo> time to boot windows to play a little =))
[11:02] <Scognito> what multiverse has more than universe?
[11:02] <Ruffian|JANE|> it works know
[11:02] <Ruffian|JANE|> apt-get update
[11:02] <Ruffian|JANE|> now to try apt-get install kde
[11:02] <Ruffian|JANE|> ok
[11:02] <Scognito> Ruffian|JANE|, indeed
[11:02] <Ruffian|JANE|> its working
[11:02] <|trey|> Scognito, multiverse = unsupported, non-free... it will be where mplayer is etc... right now, not much diff though, other then flash support...
[11:02] <Scognito> it is debian-based
[11:03] <Ruffian|JANE|> thank you |trey|
[11:03] <anders_> stuNNed_: and you're sure the right module is loaded?
[11:03] <Scognito> ah ok |trey|
[11:03] <Riddell> Ruffian|JANE|: I have some KDE 3.3 packages should you wish
[11:03] <Scognito> |trey|, i made ubuntu package for gparted
[11:03] <Scognito> if someone wants it i cans send...
[11:04] <|trey|> Ruffian|JANE|, np... from now on, when I say 'remove a line in apt', type 'vi /etc/apt/sources.list' and hit 'dd' at the start of said line  ;)
[11:04] <stuNNed_> anders_, pretty sure, let me check
[11:04] <gro> jdub: will there be any sla's/support contracts,... ? just to make our management a little less nervous ;)
[11:04] <|trey|> Scognito, cool  :)  I would like to see that + lvm2 being used by default in the future  :)
[11:04] <nimc> how to get a program to start maximized ?
[11:05] <stuNNed_> anders_, from lspci: 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[11:05] <|trey|> Scognito, makes editing partitions so much easier  :)
[11:05] <Scognito> |trey|, yeah
[11:05] <stuNNed_> anders_, snd_intel8x0           33068  0 is loaded
[11:05] <Scognito> so it is more easy make a partition to test hoary :D
[11:06] <|trey|> Scognito, chicken, only distro I have installed right now is hoary  ;)
[11:06] <Scognito> me chicken???
[11:06] <|trey|> Scognito, you heard me... uhh, read me?
[11:06] <Scognito> yes
[11:06] <fg_ubuntu> hem, maybe newbie question. where can i download hoary?
[11:07] <|trey|> fg_ubuntu, if you don't know, you're not ready for it  ;)
[11:07] <Nafallo> hi all
[11:07] <jdub> gro: yes, there are contact details for support on the website
[11:07] <|trey|> Nafallo, hey  :)
[11:07] <Sensebend> other than xorg, what else is changing in Hoary?
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> Sensebend: all sorts of stuff
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> like graphical installer/boot
[11:08] <Nafallo> eyy! hoary has xorg?
[11:08] <anders_> stuNNed_: sounds good, what is /etc/init.d/alsa start saying
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> check the wiki under HoaryHedgehog
[11:08] <|trey|> Sensebend, esound is going, usplash added, gnome 2.10... lots of things  :)
[11:08] <fg_ubuntu> hey trey, you make me fell donkey... :-((
[11:08] <Sensebend> hmm
[11:08] <Sensebend> sounds enticing
[11:08] <rebirth> off 2 bed (amsg)
[11:09] <|trey|> fg_ubuntu, its a devel branch right now, not recommended to use it...
[11:09] <stuNNed_> anders_, alsactl: load_state:1134: No soundcards found...
[11:09] <|trey|> fg_ubuntu, if you scroll up, there is a major hint (depending on when you got here)
[11:10] <Sensebend> well I'm off to get Hoary :)
[11:10] <Nafallo> what is a big enough issue for packages getting added to warty?
[11:10] <tck> is it out yet ?
[11:10] <Nafallo> tck: not as stable ;-)
[11:10] <fg_ubuntu> ok saw that. thx
[11:10] <|trey|> Sensebend, not much new currently... just newer packages, like GNOME 2.9.1  :)
[11:11] <anders_> stuNNed_: any conflicting modules? what do you see in lsmod | grep snd?
[11:11] <Sensebend> basically just change my apt repository to hoary, in place of warty
[11:11] <Sensebend> and do a update, dist-upgrade?
[11:11] <|trey|> Sensebend, yup
[11:11] <Nafallo> Sensebend: yepp
[11:11] <Sensebend> I'm really enjoying this Distro
[11:11] <Nafallo> half dist was upgraded for me :-P
[11:11] <Scognito> dist-upgrade
[11:12] <Sensebend> I am a Debian convert
[11:12] <stuNNed_> anders_, there loaded: snd_intel8x0m and snd_intel8x0 i think it's the latter i need
[11:12] <Sensebend> it was getting too stale for my tastes
[11:12] <rufius> Sensebend: then treat it like debian ;)
[11:12] <rufius> Sensebend: im a debian convert as well... but only for desktop, i still stick to debian for my servers
[11:12] <Scognito> |trey|, chicken, do you know some web-place where put my packages? ;)
[11:12] <Nafallo> Sensebend: hehe, myself I run both debian and ubuntu :-)
[11:12] <|trey|> Sensebend, imo, its Debian done right... the release based flame wares are getting to be too much  :(
[11:13] <topyli> Sensebend: i don't think we're converts. i still feel like i'm on debian. this one just has the latest gnome :)
[11:13] <|trey|> Scognito, heh... my ISP gave me like 50mb's  :)  gmailfs = 1 gig web space  :)
[11:13] <rufius> topyli: and a 2.6.x kernel ;)
[11:13] <Sensebend> I dunno, I liked the major improvements in hardware detection
[11:13] <Sensebend> and the installer
[11:14] <anders_> stuNNed_: yes, unload both, reload snd_intel8x0, and rerun alsa init script
[11:14] <topyli> rufius: hmm. i think i had that on debian too :)
[11:14] <rufius> Sensebend: thats all from Debian Sarge
[11:14] <Nafallo> rufius: sarge has 2.6 :-P
[11:14] <rufius> Nafallo: yah, thats what i use
[11:14] <stuNNed_> anders_, ok
[11:14] <rufius> woody is too stale
[11:14] <|trey|> Sensebend, its just a customized d-i and discover + hotplug... possible on Debian too ;)
[11:14] <Nafallo> rufius: woody and warty makes a good compliment :-).
[11:15] <rufius> |trey|: same installer as Debian Sarge ;) well for the most part
[11:15] <topyli> rufius: well, it's Stable
[11:15] <|trey|> rufius, no, it is... its just a diff conf file  :)
[11:15] <Sensebend> it seemed to ask less stuff than the sarge installer
[11:15] <fg_ubuntu> did someone try to build X after custom install?
[11:15] <Sensebend> which would be good for a newbie
[11:15] <rufius> Sensebend: hmmm i remember them being exactly alike since i did a sarge install on a server right before i did the ubuntu install on my desktop
[11:15] <|trey|> rufius, they added one thing, I forget what that was though... other then that, not much difference
[11:16] <Nafallo> fg_ubuntu: build x, or install x?
[11:16] <Sensebend> it must have all been in my head
[11:16] <fg_ubuntu> install
[11:16] <Sensebend> :)
[11:16] <rufius> |trey|: thought so...
[11:16] <Nafallo> fg_ubuntu: yes, we all do :-).
[11:16] <stuNNed_> anders_, no such luck
[11:16] <rufius> hmmm
[11:16] <rufius> speaking of Sarge i need to put taht on the other server
[11:16] <Sensebend> Need to get 239MB of archives. :S
[11:17] <Nafallo> Sensebend: ohh, so little? :-)
[11:17] <anders_> stuNNed_: oh, same error message?
[11:17] <Nafallo> 445 for me :-P
[11:17] <stuNNed_> anders_, yes, no soundcards found by alsactl
[11:17] <rufius> DJ Liquid - Your Dream
[11:18] <Sensebend> I did a dist-upgrade of warty this morning and I don't have much beyond a standard desktop yet
[11:18] <Nafallo> I'm glad that I have an ubuntu server right here ;-)
[11:18] <HrdwrBoB> There needs to be an easy way to disable a soundcard
[11:18] <HrdwrBoB> eg: if you have an onboard soundcard and an emu10k
[11:18] <Sensebend> HrdwrBoB, I had the same problem
[11:19] <Sensebend> I solved it by turning off the onboard card
[11:19] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[11:19] <HrdwrBoB> but I shouldn't need to do that
[11:19] <Sensebend> yeah I couldn't get oss to use the other card
[11:19] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, imo, hal-device-manager should be used for that stuff... needs more functionality... seems to almost beg to allow users to rmmod and modprobe from there  :)
[11:19] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: yeah
[11:19] <HrdwrBoB> right click, disable
[11:19] <HrdwrBoB> which behind the scenes, removes the module and saves the config
[11:20] <tuxx> Hi kapputu
[11:20] <anders_> stuNNed_: hmm, well, not sure what to do then. Your soundcard should work though
[11:21] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, exactly... would make sense  :)
[11:21] <stuNNed_> anders_, can i get alsaconf from a .deb package?
[11:21] <|trey|> stuNNed, yes
[11:21] <|trey|> stuNNed, just apt-get it  :)
[11:21] <stuNNed_> |trey|, apt-get alsaconf?
[11:21] <cypher_> does anyone know where i can get the .deb for wxwidgets
[11:21] <|trey|> stuNNed, uhh, apt-get install alsaconf... yeah
[11:22] <stuNNed_> |trey|, it's installed but binary `alsaconf` doesn't seem to be available... ?
[11:22] <|trey|> stuNNed, dpkg-reconfigure alsaconf ... didn't even know it was an actual binary?  :(
[11:23] <cypher_> how do you use apt-get to download a package off the internet
[11:23] <jdub> stuNNed_: alsaconf was removed because it doesn't do the right things in ubuntu
[11:23] <Biker53704> I am new to Ubuntu and I can't figure out how to get wvdial installed
[11:23] <Nafallo> cypher_: apt-get install package && man apt-get
[11:23] <|trey|> jdub, hmm, didn't know that, I will shut up now... last I tried, it was there though, my mistake  :)
[11:24] <stuNNed_> jdub, with `alsamixer` i get: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device, it's  onboard intel i810 chipset on laptop
[11:24] <stuNNed_> jdub, /dev/dsp doesn't exist either
[11:25] <|trey|> jdub, any plans to bring in the gmail checker applet? I saw someone did one, don't like installing non-debs though  :(
[11:25] <nimc> is it possible to modify the brightness of the selected window button at the bottom panel ?
[11:25] <jdub> stuNNed_: sounds like the modules aren't loaded, or were loaded in incorrect order
[11:25] <magnon> stuNNed_: any chance that you've got some virtual card set up as the first one?
[11:25] <bluefoxicy> Pop quiz:  I have a non-qwerty keymap
[11:25] <bluefoxicy> how do I make grub use it
[11:25] <jdub> |trey|: no plans, should probably be integrated into mailnotificaiton or whatever the new one is (not included in GNOME)
[11:25] <stuNNed_> magnon, only one card on a laptop
[11:26] <magnon> stuNNed_: virtual == non physical ;)
[11:26] <|trey|> jdub, yeah, that makes sense... if you'd like to look into it... gtray is the tool... although its home page seems to be down  :/
[11:26] <magnon> but I do believe Jeff's answer is correct - I parsed it as if it was loaded but still didn't work, I'm tired :)
[11:30] <Nafallo> someone has been working...
[11:30] <Nafallo> what happened to all fonts in hoary?
[11:30] <Nafallo> looks MUCH smoother now :-)
[11:31] <Tsjoklat> really Nafallo? awesome
[11:31] <stuNNed_> magnon, jdub: is there a way to make the proper devices for alsa in /dev?  could that be the problem?  they don't seem to exist
[11:31] <Tsjoklat> I am struggling today to get artwiz' fonts working
[11:31] <magnon> stuNNed_: alsa doesn't use /dev/dsp
[11:31] <jdub> stuNNed_: if they don't exist, the driver isn't loaded
[11:31] <magnon> and what jeff said.
[11:31] <jdub> stuNNed_: look in /dev/snd/ -> what's there?
[11:31] <magnon> stuNNed_: do lsmod | grep snd
[11:31] <Nafallo> Tsjoklat: I haven't installed any extra fonts. just dist-upgraded.
[11:32] <stuNNed_> jdub, controlC0  timer is all that is there
[11:32] <Tsjoklat> that's really cool Nafallo :)
[11:32] <magnon> seems you're missing out on some modules
[11:32] <Tsjoklat> I got the package from ubu
[11:32] <Tsjoklat> but it doesn't show up for some odd reason
[11:32] <jdub> stuNNed_: you have any usb audio devices attached?
[11:32] <Nafallo> anyone care to explain the big diffrence between XFree and X.org?
[11:32] <jdub> Nafallo: xfree is dead, x.org is king.
[11:32] <baluba> :)
[11:33] <magnon> hehe:)
[11:33] <Nafallo> jdub: lol! :-)
[11:33] <stuNNed_> jdub, i did have a usb mouse attached when i installed as well as ethernet hooked up and pcmcia wifi card
[11:33] <Sensebend> actually xorg has a lot of features that are going to catch Linux up to OSX soon
[11:33] <Tsjoklat> is hoary xorg Nafallo?
[11:33] <jdub> Nafallo: x.org has moved on from xfree86 with new features and so on, but is basically the only relevant branch.
[11:33] <Sensebend> like shading
[11:33] <Tsjoklat> transparency
[11:33] <Sensebend> and transparency
[11:33] <Sensebend> shading is most important
[11:33] <Sensebend> it creates an illusion of depth
[11:33] <jdub> stuNNed_: only having those devices there indicates that you haven't loaded all the modules you need
[11:33] <gro> stuNNed: which brand/model of laptop dou you have?
[11:34] <jdub> stuNNed_: they *should* be autodetected
[11:34] <Tsjoklat> I can't wait for xorg myself
[11:34] <stuNNed_> gro, dell inspiron 8200
[11:34] <Nafallo> jdub: then I should make some changes for this system :-P.
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> most important is damage, which means that you don't have to reload the entire window
[11:34] <tuxx> Speaking of shades etc.. when will Looking Glass be avail ?
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> this also makes vino (remote desktop) usable
[11:34] <Nafallo> more than the 512MB extra ram I got today ;-)
[11:34] <jdub> tuxx: it's java-based, dude.
[11:34] <Tsjoklat> xorg and a working webcam: yay
[11:34] <|trey|> How do I deal with "Not Installed (residual config)" files? trashapplet is one that is in there... safe to remove such packages?
[11:34] <edulix> stuNNed_: what's your problem, you can't hear sound ?
[11:34] <Nafallo> ehm, no x section :-P
[11:34] <gro> stuNNed: did you put the nolapic and irq stuff in grubs menu.lst?
[11:35] <Nafallo> now I'm confused ;-)
[11:35] <tuxx> jdub sure? I thought it was 3D-accl ?
[11:35] <jdub> tuxx: it is.
[11:35] <stuNNed_> gro, i think that's it
[11:35] <stuNNed_> edulix, sure can't
[11:35] <tuxx> jdub good or bad?
[11:35] <jdub> tuxx: it's useless.
[11:35] <edulix> stuNNed_: I had exactly the same problem with my inspiron 4150. just adding a string to the grub menu.lst file :)
[11:35] <gro> yeah i know edulix ;)
[11:35] <defendguin> what do you use to play a mid file?
[11:35] <tuxx> jdub looks cool though :)
[11:35] <edulix> hehe
[11:36] <stuNNed_> gro, edulix, can one of you  guys /query me the lines plz?
[11:36] <Nafallo> ehm...
[11:36] <Nafallo> xorg isn't in hoary yet?
[11:36] <jdub> no
[11:36] <will_> hi ppl, how do you install .rpm packages in Ubuntu?
[11:36] <edulix> gro: is all yours :P
[11:36] <Tsjoklat> I am going to wait to update hoary until xorg and or gnome 2.10 is in it
[11:36] <edulix> will_: with alien
[11:36] <jdub> will_: what are you trying to install?
[11:36] <Tsjoklat> warty still makes me very happy :)
[11:37] <edulix> (it's not a joke)
[11:37] <Tsjoklat> if only I can get those fonts to show up LOL
[11:37] <Nafallo> jdub: dang. is it scheduled to be here soon? (hoary that is)
[11:37] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, GNOME 2.9.1 got in recently (today?)
[11:37] <jdub> Nafallo: yes
[11:37] <gro> stuNNed add nolapic acpi_irq_isa=7 to your default kernel options
[11:37] <Tsjoklat> oh really trey??
[11:37] <Tsjoklat> well that's a reason to do it right there
[11:37] <stuNNed_> gro, thanks, edulix: sorry about that :)
[11:38] <|trey|> Nafallo, xorg is expected within a week or so apparently  :)
[11:38] <Nafallo> |trey|: sweet :-)
[11:38] <Sensebend> xorg is expected in hoary?
[11:38] <will_> jdub: realplayer
[11:38] <|trey|> Sensebend, yup
[11:38] <Sensebend> :^)
[11:38] <Sensebend> sweet
[11:38] <|trey|> will_, mplayer
[11:38] <Sensebend> I've been waiting to try it
[11:39] <Tsjoklat> ok I don't want to be annoying but does anyone know a link on how to have fonts show up?
[11:39] <stuNNed_> thanks to all! rebooting to check :D
[11:39] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, what do you mean?
[11:39] <Sensebend> now we just need to set up some "unofficial" multimedia repositories
[11:39] <Nafallo> |trey|: if my girlie wasn't such a "kde is the only thing that looks sweet enough to use" and might get her to agree switching dist again :-P.
[11:39] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, show up where?
[11:39] <Tsjoklat> I installd through ubu xfonts-artwiz
[11:39] <Nafallo> s/and/I/
[11:39] <Tsjoklat> but they don't show up in Computer/DesktopPrefences/Fonts
[11:39] <baluba> bye all
[11:39] <will_> trey: will mplayer play real? does it have a firefox plugin?
[11:39] <Aard> will_: yes.
[11:40] <|trey|> Nafallo, just don't put out till she agrees  ;)
[11:40] <jdub> will_: apt-get install realplayer
[11:40] <Tsjoklat> I would like to have the artwiz snap font showing up but so far no workie
[11:40] <HrdwrBoB> Nafallo: install ubuntu for her
[11:40] <jdub> will_: (if you actually want realplayer itself)
[11:40] <|trey|> will_, umm, it has forever  :/
[11:40] <HrdwrBoB> she will change her mind pronto
[11:40] <Nafallo> |trey|: hehe, we'll see ;-).
[11:40] <HrdwrBoB> my fiance loves it
[11:40] <Tsjoklat> trey got any ideas?
[11:41] <Nafallo> xorg has better support for i845GE from what I've heard. that might be a turning point in my persuassion :-).
[11:41] <Foxfyre> When I installed the python module, do I need to modify the apache2.conf?
[11:41] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, in theory, you should be able to throw fonts in /usr/share/fonts and just have em show up  :/
[11:41] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, if thats not working, I dunno...
[11:41] <HrdwrBoB> Nafallo: also, tell her that you heard KDE likes to have sex with other desktop environments of the same sex
[11:41] <Tsjoklat> it is a deb file through ubu
[11:41] <Tsjoklat> installed with synaptic
[11:41] <Tsjoklat> not much to throw with :P
[11:42] <Nafallo> HrdwrBoB: no! then she'll never got rid of it :-P.
[11:42] <Nafallo> s/got/get/
[11:42] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[11:42] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, hmm... dpkg -L the_pkg_you_installed... see where it put things... did you restart X?
[11:42] <Tsjoklat> even rebooted
[11:42] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, afaik, its not "on the fly"... fonts are loaded with X...
[11:42] <Tsjoklat> I know
[11:42] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, ahh  :(
[11:42] <jps> hi all. i thought (judging by my hardware specs) that i had a synaptics touchpad but dmesg says 'input: PS/2 Generic Mouse on isa0060/serio4'. any ideas?
[11:42] <Tsjoklat> there is an artwiz thing in the misc folder
[11:43] <Nafallo> ehm...
[11:43] <Tsjoklat> and my xf86config has a misc folder in it
[11:43] <magnon> jps: it works, right?
[11:43] <HrdwrBoB> jps: the touchpad is probably a PS/2 generic mouse
[11:43] <Tsjoklat> but when I do a fv cache it doesn show up
[11:43] <magnon> because that would be what it really is :)
[11:43] <HrdwrBoB> in hardware
[11:43] <Tsjoklat> hey TongMaster
[11:43] <stuNNed_> welp
[11:43] <jps> magnon: it works but the scroll buttons do not
[11:43] <stuNNed_> that fixed it!
[11:43] <Nafallo> jdub: in synaptics I used to have ubuntu icons on warty. now I have deb-swirls. any reason why?
[11:43] <gro> stuNNed :)
[11:43] <magnon> jps: oh, bummer. Well, that would be the X configuration
[11:43] <|trey|> jps, apt-get install xfree86-driver-synaptics if you are sure...
[11:44] <stuNNed_> edulix, gro: muchos gracias, but why is that?  because i had every peripheral under the sun connected when i installed? ;)
[11:44] <jps> |trey|: meh, i'm never sure about anything but i've gotten that
[11:44] <defendguin> does anyone know how to play a mid file?
[11:44] <|trey|> Nafallo, patch for the ubuntu icons hasn't been merged in new synaptic...
[11:44] <jdub> Nafallo: under hoary? probably a merge issue
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> defendguin: double click on it
[11:44] <Tsjoklat> it might be an idea to d/l the tar and toss it in myself.. but that defeats the whole idea of installing it through  ubu doesn't it
[11:44] <jps> magnon: hmm...X config eh? can you help me with that?
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> should be associated with totem
[11:44] <magnon> defendguin: timidity
[11:44] <magnon> jps: maybe
[11:44] <gro> stuNNed: with dell laptops the b in bios is for buggy ;)
[11:44] <|trey|> jps, read the docs... /usr/share/doc/xfree86-driver-synaptics
[11:45] <TongMaster> heya Tsjoklat
[11:45] <edulix> stuNNed_: well, I don't remember exactly which was the exact problem that it solves. something related to bad bios or something like that
[11:45] <Tsjoklat> how's Wagga Wagga :)
[11:45] <stuNNed_> gro, then that'll explain my acpi probs as well i guess, ack :)
[11:45] <edulix> tuNNed_: are you spanish ? :P
[11:45] <Nafallo> jdub: ahh, oki. I hope that will change soon. my first thought was that I accidently put a debian mirror in sources.list :-P.
[11:45] <stuNNed_> edulix, ah ok
[11:45] <magnon> jps: I'll leave that to someone else. I'm drenched in work right now, but I can probably help later if you can't get anywhere :)
[11:45] <stuNNed_> edulix, nope, just fond of the language :)
[11:45] <edulix> ahh =)
[11:45] <jdub> coaster sshots: http://www.reigndropsfall.net/?page=screenshots
[11:46] <jps> if i plug in an external mouse it works with the scroll wheel...does that tell you anything?
[11:46] <defendguin> HrdwrBoB, dont you thinki tried that?
[11:46] <jps> |trey|: well when i try to use the synaptics drivers it says no synaptics device found
[11:46] <stuNNed_> gro, do you know of a custom bios for dell laptops that isn't so buggy? ;)
[11:47] <gro> nope stuNNed
[11:47] <|trey|> jdub, ahh, I was looking at that a while ago... nice simple look  :)
[11:47] <stuNNed_> gro, what laptop do you go with?
[11:47] <|trey|> jdub, might stop people from screaming "k3b" if its included too  :)
[11:47] <chibifs> Hmmmmm...
[11:47] <Dekkard> but .. it starts with a K
[11:47] <stuNNed_> Dekkard, indeed, lol
[11:47] <gro> stuNNed_; dell latitude d610
[11:48] <edulix> stuNNed_: I'm curious, do you get some errores while startting hotplug at boot ?
[11:48] <edulix> s/errores/errors
[11:48] <stuNNed_> edulix, i get errors  on loading certain modules but nothing with hotplug
[11:48] <|trey|> edulix, everyone gets two enless they have raid or pci express...
[11:48] <stuNNed_> gro, maybe go with an ibm next time :)
[11:48] <stuNNed_> gro, *i may*
[11:49] <|trey|> edulix, it fails to load schchp and pciehp
[11:49] <gro> stuNNed_: i know, but i have just bought an ibook ;)
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: yeah that's normal (ish)
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> same for me
[11:49] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, thats what I just said  ;)
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> oh
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> it's not 10am yet, and I've only had one coffee
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> so the day has barely begun
[11:50] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, I can't yell at you, I do the same thing quite often  ;)
[11:50] <gro> you can put those modules (schchp and pciehp) in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[11:50] <|trey|> gro, I don't see the errors enough to mind really  :/
[11:50] <stuNNed_> gro, just was donated an old g4, guess will put panther on it with darwin-ports or something, you?  don't know much about ppc's
[11:51] <|trey|> stuNNed, you should donate that to me... I want a mac  :(
[11:51] <brad> dont we all
[11:51] <gro> stuNNed_  i bought it because i needed a small laptop with excelent batterylife and full supported powermanagement ;)
[11:52] <gro> ... and an *nix like os ;)
[11:52] <|trey|> brad, if Mac OS X was released on x86, Microsoft would be out of business within 10 years.
[11:53] <stuNNed_> gro, i see :)
[11:53] <oictory> Can anyone here help me set up a windows domain server with samba? webmin?
[11:53] <|trey|> Main reason for such a long time frame: dependence on MSOffice still  :(
[11:54] <captine> well HrdwrBoB, it's 12:53am here where i am, and I'm desperate for coffee
[11:54] <captine> :)
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> I will throw you some
[11:54] <oictory> If Mac OSx were released on x86, it would be just as bad as windows, therefore people would opt to use windows instead
[11:54] <oictory> so microsoft _wouldnt_ go out of business
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> most of the problems I have with windows is the hideous lack of flexibility and the horrible UI
[11:55] <|trey|> oictory, http://us3.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/samba-pdc.html
[11:55] <oictory> thanks |trey|
[11:56] <|trey|> oictory, Chapter 4 = Domain Control... thats what you want  :)
[11:56] <oictory> thanks
[11:56] <gro> time to go to sleep... c ya
[11:57] <jps> do alps touchpads use the synaptics driver?
[11:59] <StValentin> hi all
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> yo
[11:59] <StValentin> can somone help me in here?
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> we don't knoiw
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> until you tell us the problem
[11:59] <StValentin> I've just installed ubuntu
[11:59] <StValentin> and my netowrk card is not working
[11:59] <StValentin> somehow
[11:59] <HrdwrBoB> what network card is it?
[11:59] <StValentin> I installed it on my laptop
[11:59] <StValentin> and I have a standard Intel eepro 100
[12:00] <StValentin> as NIC