[12:00] how do I make commit mails happen with arch? [12:00] just struggling to work out the magic to let firefox know it's a theme [12:00] it's shipped and all without problem, and i know how to make it the default [12:00] Kamion: ~/.arch-params/hook [12:01] Kamion: it gets called with $1 == action (e. g. "commit") and some environment variables which show the archive and revision and so on [12:02] Kamion: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnu-arch/tutorial/using-hooks.html [12:02] ~/.arch-params/hook isn't acceptable here, this is a shared archive [12:03] looks like I'll need a cron job on chinstrap or something [12:03] mdz,jdub: what do you think of a seed-changes list? [12:03] thom: heh, bong. [12:03] Kamion: mailing list? [12:03] yeah [12:03] Kamion: BONG! [12:03] I'll take that as a no, shall I? :) [12:04] ;-) [12:04] I could make teri send notifications [12:04] seems like overkill === x4m [~max@161.237-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:04] Kamion: maybe daily updates to -devel? [12:04] mdz's been asking me to make lorraine do that for a good 6 months now [12:04] diffs between yesterday and today, something like that? [12:04] he, we could get some hot rss love, too [12:04] cdimage actually sends me something like that already, although that's post-germinate [12:05] Kamion: now that it's in arch, that's easily automatable, right? [12:05] it diffs debian-cd/tasks/warty-{base,desktop,ship,supported} with the new version [12:05] mdz: yep [12:05] Kamion: yeah, I think the existing hoary-changes would be a good destination [12:05] hoary-changes? guess that makes sense [12:05] mmm [12:05] elmo's sync notifications, etc. I've been nagging about should go there too [12:05] what're the posting restrictions there? [12:05] Kamion: right, this does not work in an archive, you have to install the hook on every machine you do commits on [12:05] Kamion: um, none, atm. :) [12:06] not strict enough, judging by the person who randomly mailed it earlier today :) [12:06] Kamion: CVS supports this because it uses its own protocol, but http does not allow to put executable hooks into an archive [12:06] elmo: would it be crack to get katie to send mails from a particular From: instead of from the uploader? [12:06] Kamion: Do we have a manual about the Ubuntu installation? [12:06] pitti: right [12:06] jdub, Kamion: I think we're to blame for putting it in the hoary announcement mail [12:06] Kamion: however, there is a hackish workaround [12:06] carlos: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/release/doc/manual/en/ [12:06] my cousin is asking me about it to learn to handle manual partitions [12:07] ok [12:07] jdub: I think so yes, we'd be losing IMO useful information because mailman sucks and can't filter worth jack [12:07] Kamion: you can put the hook into the arch archive and only have a general hook which checks this out and executes it [12:07] Kamion: thanks [12:07] jdub: that kind of sucks, because my mailer wouldn't show the right thing any more [12:07] Kamion: right thing? oh, so you can reply to the person? [12:07] pitti: thanks, but I think I've considered hooks and rejected them - they just won't work for this use case [12:07] jdub: right [12:07] mmm [12:07] plus the name in the left-hand column [12:07] well, i can basically only filter on sender [12:07] so atm anyone can post [12:07] which sucks the big one [12:08] stick some procmail in front of it [12:08] i could start making it a moderated list [12:08] katie could set reply-to, I suppose, but ugh [12:08] and add senders [12:08] Kamion: from (something standard), reply-to (uploader)? [12:08] jdub: dude, that's really all mailman can offer in terms of filtering? [12:08] jdub: debian-devel-changes has a reply-to debian-devel; we could do the same or -user [12:08] I think I'd go with pasc here [12:09] if mailman sucks too much we should put something in front of it [12:09] elmo: it currently sets reply-to [12:09] or torture Mithrandir until he fixes it [12:09] ah, k [12:09] i would like to dodge the exim crap to put procmail in front of one list, however :) [12:10] elmo: seriously, this is whack. you admin exim. i admin lists. you don't have access. i do. [12:10] I WANT A REFUND [12:11] jdub: you might as well put procmail in front of all lists [12:20] elmo: these guys aren't replying, they're just posting random stuff to the -changes lists [12:21] no clue how they got there other than the link to the hoary-changes mailman page in the hoary announcement [12:39] Good night guys! Happy President voting to our U.S.A. folks! :-) [12:41] Kermit 4 President! [12:43] pitti: night === aes [~andrew@proxy.emma.cam.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> sendak.freenode.net === herzi_lap [~herzi@d015002.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] Kamion: I suppose I should update ubuntu-meta [01:05] you noticed the debootstrap upload then? [01:06] is there an easy way to tla get something without the register-archive madness? [01:06] Kamion: yes [01:06] mdz: don't believe so [01:06] tla register-archive seems like a nasty thing for a script to do [01:06] lifeless: ? [01:06] so register-archive once per machine? [01:06] *cough* [01:06] I really thought it could do this [01:06] you can always HTTP-get the checkout [01:06] on rookery [01:06] that'll do [01:06] mdz: not really. [01:07] elmo-paraphrase(tm): " no, no tla is fine, quit yer whining" ... " tla sucks for this" [01:07] I'm trying a test debootstrap now; it'll be better than before, but I don't know if it'll quite work yet [01:07] register-archive is non invasive. and if you just want a deb, grab the deb source, or even the binary [01:07] lifeless: I imagine he's talking about ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/seeds--hoary--0, not a package [01:07] lifeless: ubuntu-meta contains a script which the package builder can run in order to sync it with the published seed lists [01:07] s/package/Debian package/ [01:07] lifeless: the seed lists are now in an arch archive === mdz [~mdz@69-167-148-207.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Client] === mdz [~mdz@69-167-148-207.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz pummels xchat [01:08] register-archive is fine to do from a script. [01:08] obviously we need debian packages for the seeds [01:08] mdz: ctrl+w again? :/ [01:08] if its already registered, its a noop. [01:08] lifeless: package builds should not mess with the user's home directory. [01:08] you don't run this script automatically, though, do you? [01:09] no [01:09] lifeless: the man has a point [01:09] but the principle still applies [01:09] jdub: svn, cvs both will futz with ~ [01:09] I'd consider it OK then ... alternatively, just say "you need to tla register-archive this first" [01:09] so I think its a moot point. [01:09] lifeless: but optionally don't [01:09] jdub: ha. thats called HOME=... [01:09] lifeless: cvs *so* doesn't [01:10] do a cvs checkout, ls -altr ~ [01:10] .cvspass [01:10] zero modifications [01:10] cvs login does dude [01:10] you only need cvs login for pserver though [01:10] I don't run cvs login [01:10] and you don't need cvs login for anonymous pserver [01:11] indeed [01:11] this is so not an unreasonable thing to want to do [01:11] fix baz! [01:11] el fixo! [01:11] el fixio del scorchio! [01:18] Kamion: considered converting away from wiki markup for the seeds? [01:18] can we pleeeeeeeeeeeeease add commentary, and not just in the revision history [01:18] s/commentary/rationale/ if you like [01:18] mdz: no objection in principle, but that involves germinate changes [01:18] at least for new ones [01:18] elmo: ok, will try to remember [01:18] "added elmosplatter for obvious reasons" [01:18] Kamion: sure, trivial ones, though [01:18] if not line.startswith(" * "): [01:18] continue [01:18] mdz: right, it just wasn't top of the list :) [01:18] another day, perhaps [01:18] I'm more interested in having a variable substitution mechanism so I can simplify the installer seed, personally [01:18] I've tried to add that a few times now and given up, though [01:18] I think it must have exceeded the 15 minutes of free time when I thought "hey, let's hack on germinate" [01:18] restricted seed would be good at some stage too [01:18] Kamion: what differences should I expect to see? [01:18] the current seed syncage stuff has a 'lala lala you said restricted, I'm not listening lala lala' [01:18] +policy [01:18] Kamion: currently it only sees the addition of ttf-arabeyes [01:18] Kamion: the stuff we just talked about doesn't seem to be in the public checkout yet [01:18] are you running against hoary (-s hoary -d hoary)? [01:18] kamion: is that not the default? :) [01:18] Kamion: I'm running ubuntu-meta's update script [01:19] Kamion: and then when trying to explain the results, I looked at http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~cjwatson/seeds/hoary/desktop [01:19] Kamion: which still has fam, e.g. [01:19] jdub: so what's going to break if I upload ubuntu-desktop to hoary, pulling in gamin for everyone? [01:20] mdz: bleh, I forgot a step in the cron job, fixed [01:20] mdz: not a heck of a lot [01:20] mdz: little notification quirks [01:20] elmo: probably should be, which is why I asked earlier if you were still running germinate against warty [01:20] Kamion: no, I'm not [01:20] elmo: if you are, I don't want to break your stuff [01:20] ok [01:20] jdub: should we tell everyone to remove fam? [01:20] elmo: or sid? [01:20] hell yeah [01:20] and portmap [01:20] fuck them right off [01:21] Kamion: I run it with custom Packages files, so don't worry about me [01:21] ok [01:22] 2004-11-03 00:21:32 GMT Colin Watson patch-10 [01:22] Summary: [01:22] default everything to hoary [01:22] mdz: conflicts in u-d would be nasty, but good :) [01:22] elmo: gamin needs to move into main [01:22] elmo: restricted doesn't seem to make much sense as a seed [01:22] before I can upload this [01:22] gar, you mean I have to actually upgrade to this new germinate rather than whine about it? [01:22] elmo: it's partly a subset of base, partly desktop, partly ship, partly supported, partly installer ... [01:23] that'd be a nightmare to implement [01:23] elmo: oh, I've been meaning to make germinate able to download and concatenate multiple Packages files, which might help you ... may actually get round to that soon [01:24] mdz: done [01:24] d'oh, I meant to go to bed like an hour ago [01:25] night all [01:27] ooh: I: Base system installed successfully. [01:27] heh [01:27] night Kamion [01:27] mdz: ok to pull in mingw32 btw? [01:28] Kamion: I think it's for syslinux.exe [01:29] which we really shouldn't need to build [01:29] somebody should whack syslinux' build system [01:29] oh, well, that answers that :) [01:29] Mithrandir: oh.. do we ship it tho? [01:30] elmo: the .exe? No idea. [01:30] if we ship it, we should build it.. if we don't [01:31] we build it, but I don't know if we ship it. [01:32] and I really don't see any reason to ship it? [01:34] would this be a useful addition to cdrecord or something? [01:34] http://vu1tur.eu.org/tools/ === hazmat [~hazmat@j71055.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nmf [~nmf@81.193.170.144] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] voting, back in a bit [01:56] ;) === geppy [~geppy@c-24-0-83-218.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [~james@203-59-50-191.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:42] lamont: ping? === doko [doko@dsl-082-082-065-116.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [~mdz@69-167-148-207.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont_r [~lamont@c-67-174-120-66.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:04] moo [05:10] lamont_r: voted? === nmf [~nmf@81.193.170.185] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:14] yep [05:14] that was like 14 hours ago. :-) [05:14] before the day went to hell in a hand basket === sabdfl [~mark@196.38.108.242] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:53] morning guys [06:07] is there any reason why I shouldn't be able to make a bootable netinst CD out of the kernel image and initrd for the pxe boot stuff? [06:07] Micksa: because you don't need it? [06:07] there is the same kernel and initrd on the install cd [06:08] you can just change the line at syslinux to start that kernel [06:11] I want a CC-size netinst CD [06:11] okay, I'll look [06:11] I haven't actually tried yet :) [06:12] just curious [06:40] iirc it is planned... [06:40] but i don't want to lie :-) === lamont_r heads home === plovs [~plovs@62.84.21.44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hornbeck [~hornbeck@adsl-68-92-227-70.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:47] mdz: you around? === ultrafunk [~pd@150.101.222.10] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tsblack [~thomas@franklin.tsf.org.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:41] Hello all [08:41] Thomas here - in SA with Mark for Ubuntu SA launch [08:42] hey tsblack [08:42] Hey fabbione, just the man I wanted to see! [08:43] How do I get Warty installed on an ide / sata syste,? [08:43] system [08:43] uh? [08:43] i am the X man ;) [08:43] let me see.. there should be a howto somewhere [08:43] Ok, on the X side, I'm busy downloading the nvidia-glx stuff [08:44] it doesn't seem to ship standard on cd? [08:44] it installed to an SATA disk without problem for me [08:45] On some systems you can force the sata into legacy mode where it recognises the sata as a typical hdx, not on this intel server.. [08:45] Depending on bios settings, it either recognises ide cdrom or sata hd, not both. [08:46] fabbione: remember that fuzzy display mark was talking about yesterday? [08:46] tsblack: yes i do [08:46] Only happens at max res of 1200x800, all other modes fine. [08:46] tsblack: i think all the SATA discussion was on the user mailing list but i don't have it handy [08:47] tsblack: can you describe me the problem in details? i could really understand much on the phonr [08:47] the line was very distrurbed [08:47] and full of noise === mvo_ [~egon@suprimo-242.ping.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:47] yo tsblack [08:47] The display looks noisy, ie pixels not quite in their place [08:47] ehm i couldn't [08:47] hi jdub [08:48] tsblack: ok.. that must be a driver bug... if you have the opportunity, please set the resolution to that level again and send me /var/log/XFree86.0.log of both the working and non-working setup [08:48] tsblack: and if possible a picture of the broken display [08:49] mmm, will try... [08:49] going to give nvidia-glx a bash. [08:49] ok [08:49] Any idea why the colour depth on nv is so bad? [08:49] tsblack: it should be 24 bits as default [08:49] no problems here [08:49] (i have almost only nv cards) [08:52] brb, need to test display.. === azeem_ [~mbanck@socks-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sid77 [~sid77@host100-44.pool8020.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem [~mbanck@socks-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:29] Morning! === azeem_ [~mbanck@socks-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [~dannyh@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:08] elmo: please sync shorewall 2.0.10-1 === ross [~ross@84.12.22.159] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ChrisH [~chaas@gw.workaround.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:24] Hi, developers. :) I've been contributing to Debian for 1.5 years. Now I'd like to join the Ubuntu development team to contribute packages directly to Ubuntu. Is the "MaintainerCandidates" page in the Wiki the right place to get signed up? [10:25] ChrisH : hi! [10:27] jdub: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8754 [10:31] Any ubuntuwiki-savvy person here? I can't edit my own page. :-/ [10:33] Ah, just saw the front page. 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[10:49] Yep. I just saw on the frontpage that the wiki's going to be switched over to Something Else, so I assume that the pages are locked because of that. ? === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-6-75.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:50] smurfix : what URL have you been using? [10:51] lo everyone === tuo2 [~foo@adsl-36-114.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:54] sivang: *Sigh*. Apparently, the old one. wiki.ubuntulinux.org. The new wiki doesn't know me yet; is that intentional? [10:55] sivang: The MaintainerCandidates page on the new wiki has a few URLs that still point ot the old wiiki; I'll fix that as soon as I log in there. === tuo2 [~foo@adsl-36-114.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:56] sivang: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/forgottenpassword => "A system error occurred". [10:56] ... in other words, no login for me at the moment. [10:57] from the forums -- ubuntu box set artwork: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/11944873/ [11:04] Hi sivang! [11:09] hey pitti! how are you? [11:10] sivang: fine, thanks! Just read the latest news on cnn.com. The famous first/last/only words of the Petunia Bowl in "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" come to my mind... [11:11] daniels: done [11:12] elmo: thanks [11:13] morning elmo [11:13] elmo: btw.. you rock :-) [11:13] fabbione: err, morning.. I do ? [11:13] aye [11:13] elmo_away: that's the last of my sync merge bugs === azeem_ is now known as azeem [11:15] hey azeem [11:15] ciao fabbione [11:17] smurfix : you can try and create a new account on the new wiki [11:17] smurfix : can continue from there [11:18] sivang: I'd like to do that with my old email address if at all possible. [11:19] fabbione: Did you see Joey's latest reply to the last apache fix? There's another patch (and this time it's already public :-) ) [11:19] smurfix : ok, I suggest you sine up for ubuntu-doc@ , and mail the list - I bet Lulu would get back to you and reset your account or help you with this. [11:19] fabbione: do you or do I? [11:20] sivang: OK, will do, thanks. [11:20] pitti: ENOTIME [11:20] fabbione: okay, I can make the fix for sid, if you want [11:21] fabbione: I think we use the same procedure for Warty: fix, but don't officially announce [11:22] *sigh*, ubuntu-doc isn't on gmane yet. I'll ping them. [11:22] pitti: fine for me [11:22] smurfix : gmane? [11:22] sivang: it's a rather large mail-to-usenet gateway. [11:22] pitti: for the next 2 weeks whatever is not X related = ENOTIME [11:22] elmo_away: we seem to be missing Task: ubuntu-desktop for hoary [11:23] smurfix : ah usenet, bring in old memories from my time as a BBS operator :) [11:23] fabbione: okay. BTW, as a new maintainer I thought about packaging the apache X11 plugin :-) [11:23] pitti: we are having the X-Sprint here in dk [11:23] pitti: go ahead :-))) [11:23] sivang: ;-) It's rather nice, I read most of my mailing lists through them. [11:23] pitti: together with my removal from the uploaders ;) [11:24] fabbione: oh, it's already running? I wish you all the best for it [11:24] smurfix : are you using one? [11:24] sivang: ? One of what? [11:24] pitti: we already have packages :-) [11:24] fabbione: daniels is with you in .dk right now? [11:24] GO X-TEAM, GO! [11:24] pitti: we are testin Xfree86 -> X.org upgrades [11:25] and build situation [11:25] dpkg-deb: building package `xlibmesa-dri-dbg' in `../xlibmesa-dri-dbg_6.8.1-0.0_i386.deb'. [11:25] fabbione: a PITA, or does it reasonably work? [11:25] see... [11:25] smurfix : bulletine board system.. [11:25] pitti: 50/50% === pitti waves to daniels in dk [11:27] sivang: I wrote one myself. 25 years ago. Compiled BASIC on a Commodore C-64, obliterated my parents' phone line, and all that. But these days? NFW. [11:28] pitti: hello there [11:28] pitti: live from casa del fabbione! [11:28] smurfix : haha that's cool , I did a RemoteAccess clone in pascal, way long long ago :) [11:33] OK OK.. this is RADIO UBUNTU live from DK today! [11:33] DJ GIMME SOMME MUSIC [11:35] fabbione : DJ, do you accept requests? [11:38] fabbione: the "X-Files" soundtrack? === robtaylor [~robtaylor@217.204.121.82] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi_lap [~herzi@d015002.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:50] fabbione: do you really want me to start playing Aussie hip-hop? [11:55] eheh [11:55] daniels: no.. you are not allowed to put hip hop in my house === azeem requests some Eros Ramazotti for fabbione === fabbione cross burns azeem [11:57] fabbione: how about dnb? [11:58] yeah === carlos_ [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === T-Bone [~varenet@T-Bone.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:14] UHAAAAA [12:14] almost the first upgrade without glitches :-) [12:14] WE ORCK [12:14] and ROCK [12:14] sometimes even HIP HOP [12:14] fo 'shizzle [12:15] fabbione: yeah, you rock, but you knew that already. === x4m [~max@161.237-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] back! [12:24] lo everyone [12:27] mvo_, here? [12:27] Mitario: yes [12:27] got answer from the kerneljanitors? [12:28] not yet, they life on brasil time, I expect them to be around in 2-3h :) [12:28] are there changes in the code since the last version you send me? [12:28] not really [12:28] no vital changes [12:29] maybe a diff of 2 lines :) [12:29] so doesn't matter i'll retype that code [12:29] mostly debug code anyways [12:31] Mitario: oh, ok === plovs [~plovs@62.84.21.44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === T-Bone is now known as T-Gone === hazmat [~hazmat@81.58.39.114] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sid77 [~sid77@host100-44.pool8020.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sid77 hello [12:55] Anyone here in charge of the server that sends wiki passwords out? Looks like it has no valid reverse DNS resolution (PTR) so my mail server blocked it in the first place. === seb128_ [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-4-27.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ChrisH wonders if the new maintainers approval process in Ubuntu is easier than the two-year-waiting-hassle in Debian... ;) [01:14] ChrisH: I don't think the process has really started yet, but I think that's a definitive goal, yes. [01:16] Mithrandir: Are there any number of how many maintainers there are already? I know these questions may sound stupid but these came to my mind when comparing debian and ubuntu. [01:17] ChrisH: I think we're about 15-20 people. [01:17] Mithrandir: When I saw the new maintainer process guidelines of Ubuntu I thought "oh, no, not the same beaurocracy as in debian". [01:17] Mithrandir: So I assume there are more people doing QA on debian packages that are included in Ubuntu than people that directly contribute packages to Ubuntu? [01:18] ChrisH: we contribute stuff back and try to stay in sync with Debian -- I'm not sure if there are any real packages in Ubuntu which aren't in Debian. [01:19] (some artwork and meta-packages, but I'm not sure about anything else) [01:19] ChrisH: I didn't have to wait two years. [01:19] ChrisH: ... though I do agree that the process could be handled somewhat better. [01:20] please lets not have a discussion of NM here :-) [01:20] thom: Debian-NM, no. Ubuntu-NM ..? === tseng mummbles something about NM [01:21] Why not? :) I don't mean to bash anyone/anything. But I'm not quite happy with some aspects of Debian. 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[01:28] iwlist scan shows them [01:28] mjg59: current ubuntu [01:28] WELCOME TO FEE NODE [01:28] net split! === daf [daf@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] thom: Right. I'm wondering whether 2.6.9 has changed something. [01:28] daniels: I imagine xorg will hit sid post-sarge? [01:28] thom: oh, I only just caught scrollback [01:28] thom: networkmanager is horrific for me === jamesh [~james@203-59-50-191.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === steved [~steve@static24-72-62-185.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === amu_ [~amu@n6-76.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === magnon_ [~magnon@cD9088834.sdsl.catch.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] thom: this is just with the gnome wifi applet === lifeless [~robertc@dsl-78.1.240.220.rns01-kent-syd.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] Mithrandir: yes, I've been instructed not to change it pre-sarge [01:28] I get strength for the current connection with stuff, but I don't get strength for other connections [01:28] i get strength bars in netapplet/wifiapplet [01:28] thom: it showers me with hate, saying that it couldn't connect to the wired network, and new dialogs spawn as soon as I kill the old [01:28] YOOOOHOHOHOH [01:28] thom: What does your iwlist scan output look like? [01:28] it uses a different method im presy sure === sid77 does some tricks on the split === sabdfl [~mark@196.38.108.242] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] (like a heelflip ;) [01:28] pretty? [01:29] daniels: what version - sounds like something i fixed in -2 [01:29] thom: -1 [01:29] let me try -2 [01:30] mjg59: um, you want the lot? or just the fact that it looks to be giving me correct quality/signal/noise === daniels holds his breath as he upgrades to xorg. [01:30] daniels: where can we get that crack? [01:34] thom: If you could stick the lot somewhere (assuming there's no personal information in it) that would be great [01:35] My suspicion is that 2.6.9 reports stuff slightly differently [01:36] http://people.debian.org/~thom/iwlist-output [01:39] Mithrandir: http://trider-g7/ubuntu-local/ [01:39] tseng: In what way are the goals different? I probably missed a line due to the netsplit. [01:40] ChrisH: the goal of ubuntu is to make a polished release with 6 month cycles, and provide commercial support on top [01:40] you know what debian is up to [01:40] daniels: I'll be happy to be your guinea pig with my home system. :) [01:41] Mithrandir: isn't that amd64? [01:41] struggling to make a release once in a blue moon, and support is up to you [01:41] daniels: it is. [01:41] tseng: I know which direction Debian is heading to. But I don't know what they are up to. [01:41] Mithrandir: we're still beating out some issues, anyway [01:41] daniels: I'm not at home either, so. :) [01:41] Mithrandir: ahr, no amd64 binaries as yet, but it should build and work OK [01:41]