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| elmo | err, warty has SW RAID support in the installer, right ? | 12:14 |
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| lamont | mjg59: any thoughts on #3213? | 12:14 |
| mjg59 | With ACPI, there's no way to call DPMS code | 12:17 |
| mjg59 | Why there's a garbled screen, I'm not sure | 12:18 |
| mjg59 | Do we know if this is using the framebuffer? | 12:19 |
| jdub | elmo: yes | 12:22 |
| elmo | not RAID 1 root, apparently | 12:23 |
| elmo | oh well | 12:23 |
| amu | n8 | 12:32 |
| thom | mdz: yeah, i'm gonna land one avec patches tomorrow morning | 12:34 |
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| carlos | jdub: is there any reason because the ubuntu-calendar-november package does not exists in hoary? | 12:39 |
| mjg59 | Hoary is a pr0n-free zone in order to prevent the developers from becoming distracted | 12:44 |
| mjg59 | They only get their pr0n fix when it's ready for release | 12:44 |
| bob2 | all they have for distractions now is frozen-bubble and mao | 12:45 |
| mjg59 | NO MAO | 12:45 |
| carlos | :-P | 12:48 |
| === pasc still hasn't played mao | ||
| pasc | I've managed to escape so far | 12:48 |
| thom | pasc: heh, you shall soon learn the full power of the dark side | 12:49 |
| pasc | heh | 12:49 |
| pasc | I had bob2 and lifeless at my place yesterday, and _still_ managed to avoid it ;-) | 12:50 |
| jdub | carlos: hrm, thought elmo was going to push it there too | 12:57 |
| === jdub will fix/ | ||
| carlos | jdub: thanks | 12:57 |
| lamont | mjg59: the bug is the sum total of what I know about it. (Actually, I fear it's the superset... :-) | 01:12 |
| mdz | mako: ping? | 01:23 |
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| jdub | oh poo | 01:37 |
| jdub | hrm | 01:37 |
| jdub | how can we get u-c and u-c-monthly packages into hoary, given that they already exist in the archive? | 01:37 |
| jdub | mjg59: http://bugme.osdl.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3670 | 01:50 |
| jdub | thom: http://primates.ximian.com/~glesage/stuff/firefox/ -> 1.02 update | 01:50 |
| mjg59 | jdub: Yeah, I've been playing with that | 01:54 |
| mjg59 | The video_post stuff seems to work pretty well | 01:54 |
| mjg59 | At the weekend, I'll build up test kernels | 01:55 |
| jdub | garrett's theme works in 0.9.3, too | 02:00 |
| jdub | handy | 02:00 |
| mjg59 | As is, I'm doing suspend and resume on the X40 with no kernel arguments now | 02:00 |
| bob2 | wow | 02:01 |
| mjg59 | We just reinit the video from userspace after resume | 02:02 |
| mjg59 | I'm feeling pretty good about S3 support, once we manage to figure out what the complete failure on some hardware is | 02:02 |
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| === mjg59 wonders if he can convince Mark that a Sony X505VP would make a good test machine | ||
| bob2 | how's suspend looking on the craptop? | 02:05 |
| jdub | mjg59: "yeah, this one is reaaaallly buggy" | 02:05 |
| mjg59 | bob2: Suspend is just peachy | 02:05 |
| mjg59 | Resume, now that's a different matter | 02:05 |
| bob2 | hah, right | 02:06 |
| mjg59 | I've no fucking clue. The thing just never executes any of the wakeup code. | 02:06 |
| mjg59 | Which makes debugging a complete arse | 02:06 |
| === mjg59 is at the point of wondering about printing out the ACPI spec | ||
| mjg59 | It's only 500 pages or so... | 02:06 |
| bob2 | can windows wake it up? | 02:06 |
| mjg59 | Yeah | 02:06 |
| mjg59 | Works fine with XP | 02:06 |
| mjg59 | I'm wondering about trying to write my own trivial ACPI implementation and then comparing that | 02:07 |
| mjg59 | Hmm. We ought to be able to bodge screen blanking for the console together with x86 emulation. | 02:09 |
| mjg59 | There's a routine at a known location in VBE compliant VGA Bioses | 02:10 |
| mjg59 | More fun for me at the weekend | 02:10 |
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| mojo_ | morning | 02:23 |
| mojo_ | morning | 02:23 |
| mojo_ | hey | 02:42 |
| mojo_ | has AsliSolaritaire game in GNOME supported SVG yet? | 02:43 |
| mojo_ | I decide to work on a SVG version | 02:43 |
| mako | mdz: hey there | 02:46 |
| mako | mdz: i'm still working on the summary of the kickoff meeting.. i'm almost done.. it's SO LONG | 02:47 |
| mdz | mako: you're telling me | 02:47 |
| mako | mdz: i've been working on it for 2.5 hours :) | 02:47 |
| mdz | mako: I sent you my notes, right? | 02:48 |
| mako | mdz: yeah | 02:48 |
| mdz | mako: I polished those notes into the HoaryGoals page | 02:48 |
| mako | oh, ok | 02:49 |
| mako | i will link to those | 02:49 |
| mako | the summary will have a paragraph for most these | 02:49 |
| mako | a lot of it can be integrated straight into the goals page | 02:49 |
| mdz | mako: hmm, I was working on a hoary status update, sounds like we have some overlap | 02:51 |
| mdz | mako: you can stick to the events of the meeting, and I'll flesh things out in the status update\ | 02:51 |
| mdz | if it's easier | 02:51 |
| mako | what do you mean by events of the meeting? | 02:52 |
| mako | as in, don | 02:53 |
| mako | do you mean, "dont' flesh out out the feature goals so much"? | 02:53 |
| mako | because that's what i'm doing onw | 02:53 |
| mdz | more or less, yeah | 02:53 |
| mdz | but if you've already done it, great | 02:53 |
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| mako | mdz: well.. i've done probably half | 02:54 |
| mako | i've done more than half the log | 02:54 |
| mako | mdz: i'll just continue. should be less than an hour | 02:54 |
| mdz | I haven't written that bit of the status update yet | 02:54 |
| mdz | so, more power to you | 02:54 |
| mako | mdz: yeah, it will be useful to you and i was doing it anyway :) | 02:55 |
| mako | i can throw what i have somewhere if you want | 02:55 |
| mdz | how I'm hoping it will work is that I've created subpages for the feature goals which need more fleshing out, and the people responsible will create them | 02:55 |
| mdz | nah, I'm on my way out | 02:55 |
| mako | ok, sounds good | 02:56 |
| jdub | mdz: don't want to do bug tree? | 03:01 |
| mojo_ | where is mplayer in upstream??? has lamont uploaded it yet? | 03:07 |
| lamont | mojo_: ?? | 03:29 |
| lamont | "in upstream"?? | 03:30 |
| mako | mdz: heh.. at about 3.5 hours into the meeting, thing really start to degenerate :) | 03:33 |
| mako | mdz: as in, your list is about as useful as the log itself :) | 03:33 |
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| mojo_ | lamont: I can;t find any mplayer package! | 03:43 |
| lamont | mojo_: it's in multiverse as of hoary | 03:44 |
| mojo_ | thx | 03:48 |
| lamont | although it appears to be ftbfs on amd64. | 03:50 |
| mojo_ | lamont: synaptic crash immediately while loading data from multiverse | 03:50 |
| lamont | interesting | 03:50 |
| mojo_ | lamont: bug sumitted | 03:51 |
| mojo_ | lamont: apt-get works well with multiverse but...y xmms is dep for mplayer???? | 03:52 |
| chrisa | mojo: yes, --with-xmms iirc | 03:58 |
| === lamont just builds things. :-) | ||
| mako | does anyone want to read the hoary kickoff meeting summary and do me a huge favor in the process? | 04:12 |
| lamont | mako: where? | 04:12 |
| mako | lamont: i need someone to fix obvious grammar errors in the second half | 04:13 |
| mako | i've been looking at it for almost 4 hours and my eyes are just too crossed to catch anything :) | 04:13 |
| lamont | ok | 04:13 |
| mako | lamont: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ | 04:14 |
| mako | lamont: just edit the file when you find errors and send me the changed version | 04:14 |
| mako | and thanks :) | 04:14 |
| lamont | .rst? | 04:16 |
| mako | lamont: it's a text file | 04:17 |
| mako | lamont: restructured text you don't need to know RST it edit it | 04:17 |
| mako | rst is the source | 04:17 |
| lamont | so I should make edits in .rst. ok | 04:18 |
| mako | yeah | 04:18 |
| mako | lamont: i'm stepping out to buy a book | 04:25 |
| mako | lamont: just email me | 04:25 |
| mako | lamont: and thank you so much | 04:25 |
| lamont | mako: OK. | 04:26 |
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| lamont | mako: sent | 04:47 |
| === lamont sleeps | ||
| fabbione | morning guys | 05:12 |
| fabbione | night lamont | 05:12 |
| bob2 | didn't daniels just go to bed? | 05:13 |
| fabbione | bob2: well it's 5am here | 05:15 |
| fabbione | it's not like i am babysitting him | 05:15 |
| fabbione | he can go to bed when he wants :-) | 05:15 |
| bob2 | heh, I just assumed he'd been hackign with you :) | 05:16 |
| fabbione | no | 05:16 |
| lifeless | last message from daniels is 07:20 | 05:16 |
| lifeless | which is some time ago | 05:16 |
| fabbione | during the night i have this insane habit to try to sleep | 05:16 |
| lifeless | really ? | 05:16 |
| fabbione | and i don't even succeed | 05:17 |
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| dasenjo | Hi .. how are you ? | 05:26 |
| dasenjo | Im almost a newbie .. but I want to contribute with ubuntu .. | 05:26 |
| bob2 | dasenjo: do you know how to maintain debian packages? | 05:26 |
| dasenjo | bob2, a little .. | 05:27 |
| dasenjo | bob2, really I dont feel I can mantain XFree or the kernel ... but a web aplicattion or a perl scipt collection .. | 05:27 |
| dasenjo | bye. | 05:31 |
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| mojo_ | I've just made the Xig DexTop CDE 3.0 work with Ubuntu, sweet! | 05:49 |
| bob2 | hehehe cde. | 05:49 |
| mojo_ | bob2: I still use CDE, Maya6 and Ubuntu for 3D works, GNOME still leak lots of my resources | 05:50 |
| chrisa | CDE still makes my eyes bleed | 05:55 |
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| mojo_ | bob2: can u pls check for me wethere there is any msg 'FATAL: udev' in your demsg?? | 06:02 |
| mojo_ | chrisa: can u pls check for me wethere there is any msg 'FATAL: udev' in your demsg?? | 06:02 |
| chrisa | I don't run ubuntu | 06:02 |
| bob2 | hah | 06:02 |
| bob2 | mojo_: none | 06:02 |
| mojo_ | bob2: try 'FATAL' | 06:03 |
| bob2 | nada | 06:03 |
| mojo_ | bob2: thx, so this is not initscript bug | 06:03 |
| mojo_ | bob2: I got a msg after init process bootup, FATAL: udev is alreay mounted in /dev/ | 06:04 |
| bob2 | odd | 06:04 |
| mojo_ | bob2: and FATAL: can't find bla blah kernel/hw_char thing | 06:04 |
| bob2 | nothing matching FATAL in my dmesg | 06:05 |
| mojo_ | bob2: some msg can't be caught by dmesg, I try to find someway to catch it | 06:05 |
| bob2 | there used to be /var/log/bootlog | 06:06 |
| bob2 | but I can't actually find it in ubuntu | 06:06 |
| mojo_ | same here | 06:07 |
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| mako | lamont: thank you so much for your help | 06:14 |
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| pitti | Morning! | 07:56 |
| fabbione | mdz: ping | 08:09 |
| fabbione | hey pitti | 08:09 |
| pitti | Hi fabbione! | 08:20 |
| === pitti greets the X-Men | ||
| fabbione | hehe | 08:25 |
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| === sid77 'morning (it :) | ||
| daniels | pitti: morning | 08:42 |
| pitti | Hi daniels | 08:42 |
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| sivang | morning all | 09:02 |
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| Mithrandir | 'morning | 09:27 |
| === ChrisH yawns | ||
| pitti | Hi mvo_ ! | 09:30 |
| mvo_ | hi pitti | 09:30 |
| mvo_ | good morning :) | 09:30 |
| fabbione | hey Miss Vogt :P | 09:37 |
| === fabbione hides | ||
| === mvo_ slaps fabbione | ||
| mvo_ | good morning fabbione :) | 09:39 |
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| sivang | morninig pitti ! | 09:50 |
| pitti | Hi sivang | 09:50 |
| seb128 | hello guys | 09:51 |
| jamesh | mvo_: were you trying to find me yesterday? | 09:51 |
| mvo_ | jamesh: yes, I wanted to ask stuff about libglade and toolbars | 09:52 |
| jamesh | mvo_: bug 157215? | 09:52 |
| sivang | bonjour seb128 | 09:52 |
| mvo_ | jamesh: did I reported it? then yes :) | 09:52 |
| seb128 | 'jour sivang :) | 09:53 |
| seb128 | jamesh: hey. So transparent applets will work now ! What was missing exactly before ? | 09:53 |
| jamesh | seb128: I just changed libpanel-applet to handle background changes in an idle handler (instead of in the PropertyBag set_prop handler), and a valid background pixmap was being passed to the applet every time | 09:55 |
| seb128 | jamesh: ok, cool. You rock :) | 09:55 |
| jamesh | whereas before it would sometimes say "I don't like this pixmap ID, so will use the default background" | 09:55 |
| seb128 | ok | 09:56 |
| seb128 | this will be nice for the GNOME 2.10 screenshots :) | 09:56 |
| jamesh | seb128: it seems that my libpanel-applet change doesn't fix the problem, but does significantly reduce how often it occurs | 10:14 |
| seb128 | that mean that sometimes you get a transparent background and sometimes not ? | 10:15 |
| seb128 | with the same code ? | 10:15 |
| jamesh | occasionally the background pixmap ID the panel passes to the applets seems to be invalid | 10:18 |
| jamesh | (most likely because the panel has already deleted it and changed to something else) | 10:19 |
| daniels | seb128: btw, the metacity-weird-spinning-cursor-with-xterm thing is reproducible here | 10:19 |
| jamesh | in those cases, you end up with the applet will go back to the default background | 10:19 |
| daniels | seb128: and metacity doesn't start at all per default, i need to start it from a terminal | 10:19 |
| daniels | seb128: does the version of metacity we ship have a built-in compositing manager? | 10:19 |
| seb128 | jamesh: hum ok | 10:20 |
| seb128 | daniels: yes, metacity has a composite manager | 10:21 |
| daniels | seb128: phat | 10:21 |
| seb128 | daniels: but the package is built without it | 10:21 |
| seb128 | Not building compositing manager by default now, must enable explicitly to get it. And it doesn't work, so don't bother unless you want to hack on it... | 10:21 |
| seb128 | Building without compositing manager | 10:21 |
| daniels | ah, ok | 10:22 |
| daniels | well, when it becomes useful, you'll probably want to start building it | 10:22 |
| daniels | for the meantime, I'll just make up an xcompmgr package | 10:22 |
| seb128 | ok | 10:22 |
| daniels | i'm interested in getting seriously wide testing on composite and seeing whether or not it's worth enabling per default (i.e. slow/buggy?) | 10:22 |
| seb128 | BTW you're the first to report a problem about metacity not starting with the session | 10:23 |
| seb128 | that's weird | 10:23 |
| daniels | yeah, you're telling me ;) | 10:23 |
| thom | seb128: he probably just doesn't know how to run X properly | 10:23 |
| seb128 | thom: I think so yeah | 10:24 |
| daniels | thom: maybe it died in the arse under the load of ten thousand NetworkManager dialogs | 10:24 |
| seb128 | thom: what about the firefox-dev package ? Lot of work ? | 10:24 |
| daniels | thom: (btw, the firefox back/forward button hackery involved hacking gdk) | 10:25 |
| jamesh | what sort of hackey? | 10:27 |
| daniels | jamesh: just getting it to understand back and forward key sequences and dealing with history thusly (i.e. same way as horizontal scrolling) | 10:28 |
| daniels | (on that note, if vertical scrolling is the z-axis, what's horizontal scrolling? the axis? the axis?) | 10:28 |
| thom | seb128: shouldn't be too bad | 10:28 |
| jamesh | thom: has anyone considered asking for permission to use the official firefox branding? | 10:30 |
| thom | jamesh: not that i'm aware of | 10:31 |
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| trukulo | fabbione, i've got here uniform of rogue, if you want it... | 10:37 |
| fabbione | ahhaa | 10:39 |
| daniels | i don't think anyone wants to see fabbione in that ... | 10:39 |
| fabbione | trukulo: daniels will run away screaming | 10:39 |
| fabbione | that's not good ;) | 10:39 |
| azeem | LWN claims Ubuntu 4.10 supports the Pegasos-II, did somebody verify that in the meantime? | 10:39 |
| trukulo | fabbione, daniels : are you going to Mataro ? | 10:40 |
| trukulo | because i will go | 10:40 |
| daniels | trukulo: both of us will be there, yah | 10:40 |
| trukulo | i will be very pleased to see both of you dressed as rogue and jean grey | 10:40 |
| trukulo | lol | 10:40 |
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| azeem | mako: Ubuntu traffic #9 has http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ubuntu-traffic/u20041022_09.html as URL, but it says 'Ubuntu Traffic #9 For 2004/10/2' in the title (10/2 vs. 10/22) | 10:41 |
| trukulo | i'm not *@canonical , but i've talked with javier linares and i will go one day to talk with you | 10:41 |
| ChrisH | Is it okay if I just edit the Wiki page HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops? I have a Toshiba Tecra 8100 and could provide some updates. | 10:41 |
| fabbione | trukulo: you will recongnize us... | 10:42 |
| trukulo | fabbione, if i don't, i'll ask for you | 10:42 |
| fabbione | we will be the ones with black eyes and most injuries | 10:42 |
| trukulo | and kamion and jdub, i think i've found jdub's pants | 10:42 |
| trukulo | lol | 10:43 |
| fabbione | after users will try to hunt us down | 10:43 |
| trukulo | don't worry, at least it's better than a cake in the face | 10:43 |
| trukulo | so seriously, i wanna go to met you, if you have time perhaps you can explain me what are you going to do in mataro | 10:44 |
| seb128 | ChrisH: yes, feel free to make changes on the wiki | 10:44 |
| ChrisH | seb128: ok | 10:44 |
| fabbione | trukulo: we will be probably fixing bugs on X.org & Co. | 10:45 |
| trukulo | fabbione, will you have time for a coffe? | 10:46 |
| Mithrandir | trukulo: nope, just beer. | 10:46 |
| trukulo | Mithrandir, umm, i think i can sacrifice and have a beer too | 10:47 |
| Mithrandir | :) | 10:47 |
| daniels | iced tea is good also | 10:47 |
| daniels | trukulo: bugsquashing, handwaving about future plans | 10:47 |
| daniels | hacking like crazy :) | 10:47 |
| trukulo | well, i'm not a programmer, but perhaps you need a bad BOFH there | 10:48 |
| lilo | hmmmm....I mostly stopped by because I noticed you folks were having a conference on in the beginning of December....I wanted to make sure you let us know if you needed anything | 10:49 |
| === lilo is not sure who to talk to | ||
| Mithrandir | lilo: jdub or mdz, I'd guess. | 10:49 |
| lilo | kay | 10:49 |
| lilo | also, as behind as we are on processing them, you may want to file a group contact form if you haven't already....would they be the people to talk to about that as well? | 10:50 |
| lilo | (it'd be whoever would be considered "official contacts") | 10:50 |
| fabbione | trukulo: we will find the time for everybody hopefully | 10:50 |
| fabbione | trukulo: i don't make any kind of promises but i will be there for sure | 10:51 |
| fabbione | and yes.. | 10:51 |
| fabbione | BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER! | 10:51 |
| fabbione | a lot :-) | 10:51 |
| lilo | hehe | 10:51 |
| trukulo | fabbione, lol, yes, i know that it's very difficult to talk with everybody | 10:51 |
| trukulo | i'll kidnape you, don't worry | 10:51 |
| Mithrandir | lilo: I guess so, yes. | 10:51 |
| lilo | kay...thanks! | 10:51 |
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| daniels | lilo: jdub is the best point man in terms of setting up a group contact for ubuntu | 10:54 |
| lilo | daniels: kay, sounds good | 10:55 |
| daniels | lilo: as for the conference, we should be fine in terms of infrastructure, but thanks | 10:55 |
| lilo | daniels: mostly I just want to make sure that if you need anything on the fly, you know to check with us | 10:55 |
| lilo | daniels: higher user limits on some NAT IP, etc. | 10:55 |
| daniels | yeah | 10:55 |
| daniels | yeah, if we need higher per-IP limits, I'll ask again | 10:55 |
| daniels | (ran into that problem in August) | 10:56 |
| lilo | yeah, we do need to keep those pretty limited normally due to kiddie problems, the limits in turn can create issues | 10:56 |
| lilo | I'll try to get hold of jdub about the group contact thing | 10:57 |
| lilo | I've been noticing you guys a lot lately, you've been very busy, I wanted to touch base :) | 10:57 |
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| fabbione | lilo: don't worry too much... we might as well keep the conference on oftc | 10:57 |
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| lilo | fabbione: eek 8) | 10:58 |
| fabbione | lilo: wouldn't be easier for you guys if we setup a local server and link from that one? | 10:58 |
| fabbione | atleast all the conference people will not die on netsplits | 10:59 |
| lilo | fabbione: well, we can do that if you guys want to | 10:59 |
| lilo | fabbione: happy to set something up | 11:00 |
| fabbione | lilo: we can take a look to it after we will know the available infrastructure setup down there | 11:00 |
| daniels | lilo: last time we had an internal IRC server because we had a staggeringly reliable connection, but if you're happy to have us set up a leaf, we might do that | 11:00 |
| lilo | sounds good | 11:00 |
| fabbione | lilo: perhaps you can prepare a server config "freenode" approved for such task | 11:00 |
| fabbione | so that we need to minimize intrusion in the netwoek | 11:00 |
| daniels | just as long as it's not going to be taken down by someone doing OPERWALL, umode -o, or whatever | 11:01 |
| fabbione | s/need/can | 11:01 |
| lilo | well, usually we just request an account and set the thing up as a normal server | 11:01 |
| lilo | then it gets routing configuration updates along with everybody else | 11:02 |
| fabbione | lilo: well.. isn't better than someone really experienced provides us a tested configuration? | 11:02 |
| daniels | unfortunately on an internal LAN, we'd be uncomfortable about the security issues of providing accounts | 11:03 |
| === lilo nods | ||
| lilo | well, maybe we can work something out that will do the job | 11:03 |
| Mithrandir | daniels: we could put it on a separate host which is only allowed to speak irc through the net. | 11:04 |
| Mithrandir | what would the system requirements for such a system be? | 11:04 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: p100 | 11:04 |
| fabbione | lilo: the problem is if we are behind NAT | 11:04 |
| fabbione | lilo: we might not have control over the firewall | 11:04 |
| daniels | lilo: if you guys are comfortable with it, I'm quite comfortable administering dancer | 11:04 |
| daniels | lilo: but this is all hypothetical, so we'll cross that bridge if/when we come to it | 11:05 |
| lilo | daniels: should be doable | 11:05 |
| Mithrandir | I can bring spare HW, and I can set up a VPN of some sort home to. | 11:05 |
| daniels | lilo: phat | 11:05 |
| Mithrandir | s/to// | 11:06 |
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| fabbione | seb128: if i was starting from 1 Jan 2004.. there is lifeless that prefers to jump back to year 1004 ;) | 11:19 |
| daniels | heh, someone just pointed out http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+debian to me | 11:20 |
| seb128 | fabbione: ah ah :) | 11:20 |
| daniels | mdz: please import #251386 | 11:25 |
| seb128 | pitti: here ? | 11:38 |
| pitti | seb128: yes | 11:38 |
| seb128 | you've seen the changes in the groupes/privileges stuff in gst ? | 11:38 |
| seb128 | I don't really like the new system, you can't make manual tweaking for stuff not listed ... and you don't have the details on the list items neither | 11:39 |
| pitti | seb128: hmm, actually I think the new design is slightly better | 11:41 |
| seb128 | pitti: BTW I don't have #3230 here, the "gksudo users-admin" menu entry still works fine ... you sure you didn't make typo error in your password or something ? | 11:41 |
| pitti | seb128: at least it was easy to add our plugdev/scanner groups | 11:41 |
| pitti | yes, I tried it maybe ten times :-) | 11:41 |
| pitti | BTW, it still worked yesterday | 11:41 |
| pitti | but now, after a reboot, it doesn't any more | 11:41 |
| seb128 | weird weird weird | 11:41 |
| pitti | did you reboot? | 11:41 |
| seb128 | yes | 11:41 |
| pitti | odd | 11:41 |
| seb128 | my computer is down when I sleep | 11:42 |
| pitti | mine too | 11:42 |
| seb128 | and I've slept this night :) | 11:42 |
| pitti | the authentication system got even more complicated | 11:42 |
| pitti | and I currently don't know how to set default privileges for newly created users only in the users-conf script | 11:42 |
| seb128 | gksudo works with other stuff on your box ? | 11:42 |
| pitti | but I can't test this as long as I'm bothered with this su stuff | 11:43 |
| pitti | btw, I also tried at the console with "sudo users-admin" | 11:43 |
| pitti | preauthenticated, i. e. without password | 11:43 |
| pitti | same problem | 11:43 |
| seb128 | no problem with sudo here | 11:44 |
| seb128 | I've just tried | 11:44 |
| === pitti scratches his head | ||
| === seb128 too | ||
| pitti | The odd thing is that it worked yesterday | 11:44 |
| pitti | but not after today's dist-upgrade... | 11:44 |
| === seb128 dist-upgrade | ||
| seb128 | dictionaries-common libexif-dev libexif10 libraptor1 libruby1.8 lvm2 | 11:45 |
| seb128 | mysql-common ruby1.8 synaptic | 11:45 |
| seb128 | nothing that could be problematic in this imho | 11:45 |
| seb128 | still ok after the dist-upgrade ... | 11:45 |
| seb128 | you have changed your PATH or something ? | 11:46 |
| pitti | seb128: I have 1.1.0-0ubuntu1 | 11:46 |
| pitti | not really | 11:46 |
| seb128 | ii gnome-system-t 1.1.0-0ubuntu1 Cross-platform configuration utilities for G | 11:46 |
| pitti | seb128: whereis users-admin is correct | 11:46 |
| pitti | seb128: I also tried in the built source | 11:46 |
| pitti | seb128: I try to log out and back in | 11:47 |
| |trey| | Permission to put the Java source I use in Wiki commented out? (plus explaination) | 11:47 |
| trukulo | |trey|, denied (lol) | 11:48 |
| |trey| | trukulo, what? why :( | 11:48 |
| trukulo | it's a joke | 11:48 |
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| |trey| | 8) | 11:48 |
| pitti | seb128: still same problem... | 11:48 |
| trukulo | it's a wiki, do it, that's what a wiki is for | 11:48 |
| seb128 | pitti: dunno what could be wrong .... | 11:49 |
| pitti | seb128: I dig into this. | 11:49 |
| |trey| | (deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian/ ./ - the source...) | 11:49 |
| seb128 | pitti: ok, let me know if you find something | 11:49 |
| seb128 | pitti: does "sudo su -c /usr/bin/time-admin" works ? | 11:50 |
| daniels | lamont: fwiw, coreutils is ftbfs on my buildd here | 11:51 |
| pitti | seb128: I think I know what's wrong | 11:51 |
| seb128 | oh ? | 11:51 |
| pitti | seb128: I modified users-conf and this thing somehow does not like my debugging statements | 11:51 |
| pitti | seb128: so, my fault :-) | 11:51 |
| seb128 | ok | 11:51 |
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| Mitario | hi all | 12:04 |
| seb128 | morning Mitario | 12:04 |
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| |trey| | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary Changes to Hoary sources.list ok? | 12:22 |
| ChrisH | mjg59: I have two Toshiba notebooks. Do you need help in testing/debugging? The Tecra seems to have some trouble still (sound, power management etc.). | 12:24 |
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| mjg59 | ChrisH: That would be good | 12:24 |
| mjg59 | ChrisH: I'll be building test packages at the weekend, if you're interested? | 12:24 |
| ChrisH | mjg59: Sure. | 12:24 |
| |trey| | Note entirely sure if I should be telling them HOW to do it? :o | 12:24 |
| |trey| | not* | 12:25 |
| mjg59 | ChrisH: I'll be looking at power management first, since that's the biggest issue | 12:25 |
| === |trey| is just making sure he doesn't get in trouble he thinks :) | ||
| ChrisH | mjg59: Right. Not being able to suspend/hiberate is a problem. :) That used to work when I had Debian on it. | 12:26 |
| ChrisH | mjg59: I don't know if that's related. But during boot I get messages like "modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting pciehp" and "...shpchp"... :Operation not permitted | 12:28 |
| mjg59 | ChrisH: Yeah, that's unrelated | 12:28 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: any eta for 3032? | 12:28 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: if so.. would you mind to take care of 2872 too? | 12:28 |
| mjg59 | ChrisH: It's likely that under Debian you were using APM rather than acpi - if you add apm to the end of /etc/modules and boot with acpi=off things might work better | 12:28 |
| ChrisH | mjg59: Ah. I'll try. | 12:29 |
| ChrisH | mjg59: btw, the boot phase is delayed during ntp sync when there is no network connection. perhaps this could be improved. | 12:29 |
| mjg59 | ChrisH: Yeah, that ought to be better in Hoary | 12:29 |
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| Mithrandir | fabbione: yes, I'll take 2872 as well. | 12:31 |
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| fabbione | Mithrandir: thanks | 12:32 |
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| fabbione | Mithrandir: btw... just finished to build x.org debs for amd64 :-) | 12:32 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: woo :) | 12:32 |
| fabbione | next one is ppc | 12:32 |
| sid77 | yeah | 12:33 |
| sid77 | waiting that :) | 12:33 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: When do we get the sweet, sweet crack? | 12:33 |
| fabbione | mjg59: pretty soon | 12:33 |
| daniels | soon enough, young jedi | 12:34 |
| daniels | you must be patient to fully appreciate the way of the x | 12:34 |
| daniels | padawan | 12:34 |
| Kamion | ObiWan | 12:34 |
| daniels | Kamion: in use, apparently | 12:34 |
| Kamion | ah | 12:34 |
| ObiOne | or ObiLan | 12:34 |
| ObiOne | ;) | 12:34 |
| mjg59 | Craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack............ | 12:35 |
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| fabbione | hey elmo | 12:36 |
| fabbione | elmo: can i get access to a i386 hoary chroot at the dc? | 12:37 |
| elmo | hey fabbione | 12:37 |
| daniels | mjg59: you love the pipe | 12:37 |
| elmo | fabbione: haven't you got i386/hoary locally? | 12:37 |
| daniels | elmo: yes, and also DSL | 12:37 |
| fabbione | elmo: yes i do, but i will be more happy to spare 150MB of uploads for X.org during the next days | 12:37 |
| fabbione | elmo: since we might have to release one behind another for testing | 12:38 |
| fabbione | like on roockery or so | 12:38 |
| fabbione | before hitting the archive | 12:38 |
| fabbione | one upload from here would take me ages | 12:38 |
| fabbione | more than a remote build | 12:38 |
| Kamion | elmo: did you see my question yesterday about "Task: ubuntu-desktop" fields for hoary? | 12:40 |
| elmo | fabbione: meh, ok, building | 12:41 |
| elmo | kamion: yes, but as I was leaving, one sec | 12:41 |
| fabbione | elmo: after the first build i will need your help on ppc and amd64 to build xorg-synaptic-drivers, because it requires xorg installed in the chroot | 12:42 |
| mjg59 | ZORG | 12:43 |
| elmo | kamion: fixed | 12:44 |
| daniels | mjg59: BORG | 12:44 |
| elmo | fabbione: meh, k | 12:44 |
| daniels | (to which the logical next step is, of course ...) | 12:44 |
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| fabbione | elmo: no rush.. it's going to be either later today | 12:44 |
| mjg59 | Joerg? | 12:44 |
| fabbione | or tomorrow | 12:44 |
| daniels | mjg59: no, BONG | 12:44 |
| Kamion | elmo: ta | 12:44 |
| Kamion | should be able to build Hoary CDs now | 12:44 |
| Kamion | actually I'm installing with one now to see how the installer works, but it doesn't have any of Desktop on it | 12:45 |
| daniels | mjg59: JRG is two steps | 12:45 |
| mvo_ | elmo: is it possible to get changelog like http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/ for ubuntu? that would be uebercool | 12:46 |
| elmo | Kamion: is RAID1 root on the d-i TODO list? | 12:46 |
| Kamion | elmo: should just work with the d-i sync? | 12:46 |
| elmo | Kamion: oh, well, that means installing hoary :) | 12:46 |
| elmo | but if it's going to be in hoary, excellent | 12:46 |
| Kamion | - raid1 works for root (or /boot) with raid1, of course does not with | 12:47 |
| Kamion | raid0. Remove the big scarey warning, though we really need a new one | 12:47 |
| Kamion | about raid0 and some other raid levels. | 12:47 |
| Kamion | might force lilo rather than grub | 12:47 |
| elmo | kamion: is it worth test installing hoary while I'm here? I have an amd64 I'm installing anyway | 12:47 |
| Kamion | well, I'll do a daily build once auckland picks up your Packages changes | 12:47 |
| elmo | mvo_: that's the one with full changelog, right? | 12:47 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: it would be nice to have the new syslinux tested. | 12:48 |
| mvo_ | elmo: yes. so that aptitude and synaptic can get them | 12:48 |
| Kamion | elmo: don't spend too much effort on it, though, it's exceedingly rough and I'm betting myself large sums of money that base-config will be broken | 12:48 |
| mvo_ | elmo: it's not urgent of course (not at all) | 12:49 |
| elmo | mvo_: well, reasonably happy to do - but you could set it up yourself too, if you wanted - there's a full mirror on rookery, tho it's not auto-syncing yet | 12:50 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: would it be possible to make your merge tool handle permissions? | 12:53 |
| elmo | Kamion: mirror's are syncing now, fwiw | 12:53 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: not easily | 12:54 |
| Keybuk | they're pretty hard to spot too | 12:54 |
| Kamion | even for new files? | 12:56 |
| Kamion | it broke grub-installer :) | 12:56 |
| Kamion | elmo: ok, turns out I have to wait for grub-installer to autobuild anyway | 12:57 |
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| elmo | fabbione: macaroni | 01:04 |
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| fabbione | elmo: thanks! | 01:06 |
| fabbione | elmo: can I get ccache in the chroot please? | 01:08 |
| fabbione | and rman | 01:08 |
| fabbione | that should make it | 01:08 |
| sivang | any doc people around? | 01:11 |
| thom | dpkg-deb: building package `mozilla-firefox-dev' in `../mozilla-firefox-dev_0.99+1.0RC1-3_amd64.deb'. | 01:19 |
| seb128 | cool :) | 01:20 |
| Mithrandir | thom: does it still crash if you type more than two characters into the search field? | 01:22 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: wfm on i386 | 01:23 |
| Mithrandir | daniels: crashes for me on amd64 :) | 01:23 |
| elmo | fabbione: done | 01:23 |
| Mithrandir | daniels: but works most of the time on amd64 | 01:24 |
| daniels | hm | 01:24 |
| Mithrandir | uhm | 01:24 |
| Mithrandir | i386 | 01:24 |
| fabbione | elmo: thanks | 01:24 |
| thom | Mithrandir: no, i've still never seen that crash on i386 or amd64 | 01:24 |
| daniels | ah, bong. gcc-3.3 completes a full (slow) spin around the buildd, only to be followed immediately by gcc-3.4. | 01:27 |
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| Mithrandir | nothing like remote-healing system just by logging into them. | 01:27 |
| === |trey| asks that people that see Synaptic not being used for 'http://blah/foo ./' be changed... you just leave the last line empty, worked since early warty... | ||
| |trey| | I changed what I could find... but don't see any more :( | 01:32 |
| mvo_ | |trey|: apparently the synaptic repository is difficult to use for a lot of people | 01:33 |
| |trey| | mvo_, Not enough people read the Synaptic howto I guess... but it works... | 01:34 |
| mvo_ | |trey|: I know that it works :) | 01:34 |
| thom | um, rock. | 01:37 |
| thom | usr/bin/ldd: line 1: 915 Segmentation fault LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1 LD_WARN= LD_BIND_NOW= LD_LIBRARY_VERSION=$verify_out LD_VERBOSE= ${RTLD} "$file" | 01:37 |
| thom | dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: ldd on `debian/mozilla-firefox/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/libsmime3.so' gave error exit status 1 | 01:37 |
| |trey| | mvo_, hmm, I'm just now reading it... based more on preview... more organized now... (unsupported and supported getting 2 entries, not one... | 01:37 |
| |trey| | mvo_, how do you upload pics to the repo? | 01:37 |
| |trey| | s/repo/wiki/ | 01:37 |
| |trey| | Just use html? | 01:38 |
| mvo_ | |trey|: haven't tried that yet | 01:39 |
| |trey| | I really don't think Cox (my ISP would like the traffic :o) | 01:39 |
| mvo_ | sure :) | 01:40 |
| mvo_ | it is possible and should be pretty easy actually | 01:40 |
| |trey| | mvo_, I don't see it :( even looking at what they did, its not clear :( | 01:41 |
| mvo_ | |trey|: there is a small "add new item" over the header of the page and below the [contents] [view] tabs | 01:43 |
| |trey| | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/ Should contain Multiverse too, incomplete, I can't edit it though :( | 01:44 |
| carlos | latest cpufreq configuration file is broken in hoary | 01:46 |
| carlos | -pm_type=pmu #(acpi, apm or pmu) | 01:46 |
| carlos | +pm_type=acpi #(acpi, apm or pmu) | 01:46 |
| mvo_ | |trey|: this one is a "locked" page, I can't edit it too. | 01:46 |
| carlos | under PPC | 01:46 |
| mvo_ | |trey|: do you want to file a bug about it? | 01:47 |
| |trey| | mvo_, wiki is a different site to main, bugzilla has its own, nothing for wiki, thats ok? | 01:51 |
| mvo_ | |trey|: I think ther their is "other website" | 01:52 |
| thom | I HATE firefox | 01:56 |
| daniels | thom: firefox doesn't require you to have sprints on the wrong side of the world | 01:58 |
| |trey| | thom, haha, at least the RC fixed Java 8) | 01:58 |
| thom | |trey|: it doesn't even build on amd64, so that's the least of my worries | 01:58 |
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| |trey| | thom, indeed, ouch :( | 01:59 |
| trukulo | jdub, r u there? | 01:59 |
| jdub | yes | 01:59 |
| trukulo | i've got a mascot? for ubuntu | 02:00 |
| trukulo | http://www.benaim.org/leones%20imagenes/leon%20corbata.gif | 02:00 |
| jdub | heh | 02:00 |
| trukulo | you know, the animal and those things | 02:00 |
| trukulo | or if you want something more technological | 02:01 |
| trukulo | http://mercurio.homeip.net/blog/wp-content/leon_trek.jpg | 02:02 |
| === thom radiates hate at firefox | ||
| thom | daniels: neither does X. you're on the right side of the world now | 02:03 |
| daniels | thom: you say that, but you also allege that this side of the world requires me to by pan^Wtrousers in december. what's up with that? | 02:04 |
| thom | GAR | 02:10 |
| thom | GAR GAR GAR GAR GAR GAR GAR | 02:10 |
| daniels | so, like, mono | 02:10 |
| thom | HATE | 02:11 |
| daniels | right now I can't do a mono-aware dbus, something about main | 02:11 |
| thom | FASCIST PIGS | 02:11 |
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| daniels | thom: here, you merge the (totally parallel-developed) modular/monolithic libX11, I'll take Firefox | 02:11 |
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| thom | hey, lets use autoconf. i hear that has good cross platform love. AND THEN LETS IGNORE IT UTTERLY FOR one library | 02:12 |
| daniels | thom: oh dear. which library? | 02:14 |
| thom | the security (smime, ssl etc) libraries | 02:15 |
| mvo_ | a arch question: how can I "undo" a init-tree. I did it in the wrong dir and how it always complains | 02:15 |
| fabbione | dpkg-deb: building package `xserver-xorg' in `../xserver-xorg_6.8.1-0.2_powerpc.deb'. | 02:15 |
| thom | so they build that lot with CC=gcc; rather than CC=gcc-3.4 | 02:15 |
| robtaylor | fabbione: cool :) | 02:15 |
| thom | fabbione: can i have some amd64 test love? :-) | 02:16 |
| daniels | thom: oh man | 02:16 |
| daniels | thom: that's wack | 02:16 |
| fabbione | thom: you will test it for me | 02:16 |
| daniels | thom: it's already building fine on amd64 | 02:16 |
| === robtaylor feels sorry for thom | ||
| daniels | thom: you should've used your admin supahpowahs to watch for ~fabbione:*.deb on yellow | 02:16 |
| fabbione | we finished amd64 like 2 hours ago... | 02:16 |
| fabbione | there is nothing on yellow anymore :-) | 02:16 |
| thom | fabbione: give me debs then! ;-) | 02:17 |
| daniels | *waves hand* there are no xorg amd64 debs | 02:17 |
| daniels | thom: when firefox is fixed | 02:17 |
| fabbione | thom: within today or tomorrow morning | 02:17 |
| thom | daniels: screw you, hippy | 02:17 |
| daniels | thom: wouldn't want to distract you from anything, y'know, important, with our toys :) | 02:17 |
| daniels | thom: i respect the fact you have an important package | 02:17 |
| daniels | thom: you were right | 02:17 |
| thom | gimme debs or I'll misdirect you to G-A-Y rather than fabric | 02:18 |
| fabbione | thom: there are no debs | 02:18 |
| fabbione | i removed all of them from the buildd | 02:18 |
| fabbione | and there is a reason for it | 02:18 |
| daniels | thom: fabio is the evil buildmaster | 02:19 |
| fabbione | otherwise we would have done the first drop today | 02:19 |
| daniels | thom: i don't even have an account on yellow | 02:19 |
| daniels | thom: i just watch this here buildd | 02:19 |
| daniels | and do patchwork | 02:19 |
| thom | bah :-) | 02:20 |
| daniels | fabio just wandered out (workraved) muttering something about 'ccache' and 'bitching' | 02:21 |
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| Mithrandir | lamont: poke? | 02:47 |
| === fabbione opens a bottle of champagne | ||
| fabbione | 2 round on ppc = success | 02:55 |
| fabbione | now.. | 02:55 |
| pitti | fabbione: congrats! | 02:55 |
| fabbione | all the archs all alligned | 02:55 |
| fabbione | we need to strip the orig.tar.gz and rebuild | 02:56 |
| sid77 | YEAH | 02:58 |
| === sid77 adds another bottle ;) | ||
| mjg59 | ZORG | 03:06 |
| daniels | BONG | 03:07 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: you maintain the pile that is nstx | 03:07 |
| thom | hah. firefox has succumbed to my will | 03:07 |
| jdub | FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT THOM! | 03:07 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: can you tell me why I'm utterly unable to get it to do what I want? | 03:07 |
| thom | it now not only buils but doesn't segfault, either | 03:08 |
| daniels | mjg59: mith and I are trying to convince bind9 to act as a forwarder to nstx | 03:08 |
| jdub | daniels: rock! write a recipe! | 03:08 |
| daniels | mjg59: so bind listens on *:53, forwards nstx.* to localhost:5353 | 03:08 |
| Mithrandir | jdub: we need to get it working first. | 03:08 |
| daniels | jdub: working on it | 03:08 |
| jdub | Mithrandir: excuses! | 03:09 |
| mjg59 | daniels: Rock | 03:09 |
| mjg59 | Mithrandir: Because it's a steaming pile of shit? | 03:09 |
| Mithrandir | daniels: have you gotten it working? | 03:10 |
| daniels | mjg59: ... any ideas? :) | 03:11 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: no | 03:11 |
| daniels | i wouldn't be harassing mjg59 if I hadj | 03:11 |
| daniels | works if I specify 131.252.208.81 as the nameserver, but breaks badly using anything else | 03:11 |
| jdub | fabbione: dude? | 03:12 |
| Mithrandir | I can't get it working, no matter what I specify as the NS. | 03:12 |
| jdub | fabbione: wanna help out with an ubuntu-it mailing list? :-) | 03:12 |
| fabbione | jdub: ? | 03:13 |
| fabbione | no | 03:13 |
| jdub | hrm | 03:13 |
| jdub | that wasn't the wild excitement i was expecting | 03:13 |
| fabbione | the guy that asked the mailing list already asked me | 03:13 |
| Mithrandir | jdub: try enrico? | 03:13 |
| enrico | Mithrandir: yes? | 03:13 |
| Mithrandir | enrico: ^^ | 03:13 |
| fabbione | jdub: i am not interested in being the only maintainer (or 2) following an entire mailing list. | 03:13 |
| enrico | I'm busy in the docteam meeting now | 03:13 |
| enrico | How can I help you later? | 03:14 |
| jdub | fabbione: but... but... where is your national pride? | 03:14 |
| Mithrandir | enrico: jdub wants somebody on the ubuntu-it list -- talk to him. :) | 03:14 |
| fabbione | jdub: enotime really... | 03:14 |
| thom | seb128: what's the magic to make epiphany build with firefox? | 03:16 |
| seb128 | thom: DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := --with-mozilla=firefox | 03:16 |
| seb128 | in debian/rules | 03:16 |
| mjg59 | daniels: And you've hacked nstx to bind to a port other than 53? | 03:16 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: yes. | 03:16 |
| Mithrandir | type forward; | 03:17 |
| Mithrandir | forwarders { | 03:17 |
| Mithrandir | 127.0.0.1 port 5353; | 03:17 |
| Mithrandir | }; | 03:17 |
| jdub | Mithrandir: and you've hacked it to bind only on a particular interface? :) | 03:17 |
| === enrico has no time for ubuntu-it either | ||
| Mithrandir | jdub: nope | 03:17 |
| jdub | enrico, fabbione: you guys! holy cow! | 03:17 |
| daniels | mjg59: 5353, as it were | 03:17 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: that should really be a confiuration item | 03:18 |
| mjg59 | Mithrandir: Yes, yes it should | 03:18 |
| thom | ephy is building | 03:18 |
| mjg59 | File a wishlist bug :) | 03:18 |
| thom | and it looks to be using firefox | 03:18 |
| thom | seb128: right, i'll fix up the branding and upload | 03:21 |
| jdub | thom: rocking! rocking! | 03:22 |
| seb128 | thom: upload epiphany ? | 03:22 |
| seb128 | or firefox-dev | 03:23 |
| seb128 | or both ? | 03:23 |
| daniels | hm | 03:25 |
| daniels | has anyone here got nstx working with external nameservers? | 03:25 |
| daniels | mine works just great with the same machine as the name server, but is total arse with externals | 03:25 |
| thom | seb128: firefox | 03:26 |
| seb128 | ok | 03:27 |
| seb128 | I'll upload epiphany when mozilla-firefox-dev will be here :) | 03:27 |
| thom | rock on | 03:27 |
| thom | once this is done, i'll hit up the industrial theme | 03:28 |
| jdub | the new one is surprisingly good | 03:28 |
| thom | has it fixed the FAYT dialog? | 03:28 |
| jdub | forget all your troubles? | 03:29 |
| thom | find as you type | 03:29 |
| jdub | hrm, dialog? | 03:29 |
| thom | hit / and firefox should pop up a box at the bottom of the browser pane | 03:29 |
| thom | (assuming you're running hoary and have a 1.0 firefox) | 03:30 |
| jdub | oh right | 03:30 |
| jdub | on warty box atm | 03:30 |
| jdub | sec | 03:30 |
| thom | oh well | 03:30 |
| thom | downloading now to try | 03:30 |
| thom | that'd be a big 'no' | 03:31 |
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| jdub | thom: whoa | 03:33 |
| jdub | thom: yeah, no. | 03:33 |
| thom | http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/industrial-disaster.png :/ | 03:35 |
| jdub | mm, got same thing here | 03:36 |
| jdub | BONG-O! | 03:36 |
| thom | it also breaks the "save as" dialog | 03:38 |
| thom | i think we'll pass for the time being | 03:43 |
| jdub | oh man | 03:46 |
| jdub | uuughh | 03:46 |
| jdub | i meant to type 'dict trousers' | 03:46 |
| jdub | instead, i typed 'apt-cache show trousers' | 03:46 |
| bob2 | pants! | 03:47 |
| daniels | jdub: yeah | 03:47 |
| daniels | i thought the huge mistake was that you meant to type 'trousers' in the first place | 03:47 |
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| thom | trousers: (n) what american-wannabes call pants | 03:48 |
| daniels | watch yourself. | 03:50 |
| lamont_r | morning | 03:50 |
| Mithrandir | lamont_r: nstx is being mean to me. | 03:51 |
| Mithrandir | lamont_r: and I suspect bind9 is acting up as well | 03:51 |
| lamont_r | Mithrandir: maybe they just don't like you??? :-) | 03:52 |
| lamont_r | what sort of "acting up"? | 03:53 |
| Mithrandir | seems like it doesn't want to forward packets to nstx, or I'm just dumb. | 03:58 |
| mjg59 | nstx hates everyone | 03:58 |
| mjg59 | Mithrandir: It'd probably be a good idea to throw some code in to check whether packets ever get received, though | 03:58 |
| Mithrandir | ok, what I have is roughly this: nstx.err.no is the nstx zone, it is running on vawad, 129.241.93.49. I'm using another host as my DNS server (129.241.7.7, but that shouldn't matter) | 03:59 |
| Mithrandir | dig -t ns +norecurse nstx.err.no @129.241.93.49 | 03:59 |
| Mithrandir | that will show you that err.no has a glue record for nstx set up | 04:00 |
| Mithrandir | sudo tcpdump -i eth1 -n host 129.241.7.7 and port 53 <-- this doesn't give me _any_ packets. | 04:01 |
| Mithrandir | which I find weird. | 04:01 |
| Mithrandir | I guess I have a wart somewhere in my setup, but I'm unable to find it. | 04:02 |
| daniels | elmo: ping | 04:11 |
| elmo | daniels: what? | 04:16 |
| === lamont_r makes a note to install and configure nstx sometime | ||
| daniels | elmo: would it be possible to get xorg-driver-synaptics built against xorg tonight or tomorrow? | 04:17 |
| elmo | daniels: I've no idea - would it? | 04:17 |
| fabbione | elmo: we are preparing the first X.org drop | 04:18 |
| fabbione | but we need to build xorg-synaptic with xorg | 04:18 |
| fabbione | that means getting a hoary chroot (amd64/ppc) updated with X.org | 04:18 |
| fabbione | i386 is already there | 04:18 |
| fabbione | let say in 2 hours from now, everything should be in place | 04:19 |
| fabbione | probably earlier than that | 04:19 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:fabbione] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion and support on #ubuntu | Happy Hoary Trail! | BE THE SIGNAL | Warty release is DONE, long live Hoary | http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000005.html | please do NOT upload ubuntu-meta | ||
| elmo | well give me a shout when you're ready | 04:20 |
| fabbione | elmo: i am uploading the "dfsg" sanitized tree now | 04:21 |
| fabbione | the one i had around this afternoon was the wrong one | 04:21 |
| fabbione | but ccache is populated everywhere | 04:21 |
| daniels | elmo: cheers, was just checking if you would be able to do it | 04:21 |
| fabbione | so it won't take too long | 04:21 |
| fabbione | elmo: btw... you rock! | 04:21 |
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| nowlin | is it possible to add asus to the laptop list http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/teams/laptop ?? | 04:28 |
| nowlin | it dosnt load the asus_acpi and the speedstep-centrino on startup | 04:29 |
| pitti | sivang: my server's back! | 04:33 |
| mvo_ | pitti: good to hear | 04:36 |
| pitti | mvo_: I got a standard woody system and have to recover my old stuff though | 04:37 |
| mvo_ | ohhh | 04:37 |
| pitti | mvo_: it's still on the second (raid) disc, though :-) | 04:38 |
| pitti | mvo_: just, the installed kernel does not support RAID and stuff... | 04:38 |
| mdz | morning | 04:46 |
| pitti | mvo_: NOOO! These guys messed up the IDE wiring... | 04:46 |
| pitti | Hi mdz! | 04:46 |
| fabbione | hey mdz | 04:47 |
| fabbione | mdz: see topic | 04:47 |
| daniels | morning mdz | 04:47 |
| mdz | what's this about ubuntu-meta? | 04:47 |
| fabbione | mdz: and please could you tell me what is the right way to modify ubuntu-meta? | 04:47 |
| mdz | fabbione: just run ./update in the source tree | 04:48 |
| fabbione | mdz: i am kicking X.org on the buildd for preview and i need a modified version of ubuntu-meta for people to get a proper update | 04:48 |
| daniels | mdz: needs an update for s/xfree86/xorg/ | 04:48 |
| fabbione | mdz: ok.. but if i want to dd or change a package | 04:48 |
| mvo_ | pitti: :( | 04:48 |
| fabbione | mdz: do i need to go trough germinate? | 04:48 |
| mdz | fabbione: update just syncs with the seeds | 04:48 |
| mdz | fabbione: if you just want to change it by hand, just edit the files | 04:49 |
| daniels | mdz: so this needs to be changed on the wiki? | 04:49 |
| daniels | 56 packages built, 746 left | 04:49 |
| daniels | cd build && !mv | 04:49 |
| daniels | er | 04:49 |
| fabbione | mdz: as i wrote in my email we will have to upload a bunch of packages in sequence | 04:49 |
| fabbione | mdz: right now i am preparing an external repo for testing | 04:50 |
| fabbione | and if somebody overlap ubuntu-meta with mine.. the upgrade is going to be less nice | 04:50 |
| mdz | ok | 04:50 |
| mdz | just version it like an NMU | 04:50 |
| fabbione | so if possible for one or two days can we avoid to upload ubuntu-meta? | 04:50 |
| mdz | sure | 04:51 |
| fabbione | i already builded it on 3 archs | 04:51 |
| sivang | pitti : yeye!!!! | 04:51 |
| sivang | pitti : long live piware.de | 04:51 |
| thom | pitti: < infinity> thom : Has Martin Pitt been checking in all his apache1.3 changes to CVS? | 04:51 |
| pitti | thom: I did not touch any CVS | 04:51 |
| sivang | who is infinity ? | 04:51 |
| pitti | thom: I draw the changes from upstream CVS, but I did nothing with any Debian cvs | 04:52 |
| thom | pitti: yeah. can you bug mith to give you ssh access and commit them, please? :-) | 04:52 |
| daniels | sivang: Adam Conrad, php4/apache2 co-maintainer | 04:52 |
| sivang | daniels : thanks | 04:52 |
| thom | Mithrandir: ^ | 04:52 |
| pitti | thom: hmm, fabbione wanted to upload 1.3.33 soon anyway; the changes are contained there | 04:53 |
| daniels | mdz: did you get my debzilla request before? | 04:55 |
| mdz | daniels: no | 04:56 |
| fabbione | yup | 04:56 |
| fabbione | guys i will prepare 1.3.33 tomorrow afternoon | 04:56 |
| mdz | daniels: done | 04:56 |
| daniels | mdz: thankyou | 04:56 |
| daniels | mdz: (is pinging you on irc the best way to get this done, or should I be doing something else?) | 04:56 |
| mdz | daniels: debzilla is basically a big hack which runs under my uid, so yeah | 04:57 |
| daniels | mdz: ill | 04:57 |
| mdz | it's a trivial command to import a bug, but it has to run as me, presently | 04:57 |
| daniels | right | 04:57 |
| fabbione | dpkg-genchanges -B | 05:00 |
| fabbione | dpkg-genchanges: arch-specific upload - not including arch-independent packages | 05:00 |
| fabbione | dpkg-genchanges: binary-only upload - not including any source code | 05:00 |
| fabbione | dpkg-buildpackage: binary only upload (no source included) | 05:00 |
| fabbione | real 16m59.893s | 05:00 |
| fabbione | user 9m15.854s | 05:00 |
| fabbione | sys 3m3.155s | 05:00 |
| fabbione | (hoary-chroot)fabbione@yellow ~/xorg-6.8.1 $ | 05:00 |
| === fabbione HATES amd64 | ||
| pitti | fabbione: what, the whole xbuild is done in 17 minutes? | 05:00 |
| pitti | fabbione: boy, that's fast! | 05:00 |
| daniels | (granted, it's not building binary-all, and I suspect it may have been ccached, but still) | 05:01 |
| pitti | sivang: they fixed the IDE wiring now :-) | 05:01 |
| sivang | pitti : yey. seems like we're getting close to mail | 05:02 |
| pitti | sivang: now I must not mess up anything | 05:02 |
| sivang | pitti : you won't. btw, have you tried to check grub's manual for the same remote config needs you have? | 05:03 |
| pitti | sivang: I did | 05:03 |
| sivang | pitti : and? | 05:03 |
| pitti | sivang: but I will stick to lilo for now, I know it better | 05:05 |
| sivang | pitti : ok, whatever brings the server back to life :) | 05:05 |
| elmo | fabbione: wait till I setup concordia | 05:07 |
| elmo | tho that kind of relies on the KVM not being entirely FCUKED ahem | 05:08 |
| fabbione | elmo: concordia? what's that? | 05:09 |
| === thom <3 amd64 | ||
| thom | sometimes | 05:09 |
| elmo | fabbione: the new amd64 port box | 05:10 |
| fabbione | elmo: is it faster? | 05:10 |
| elmo | yep | 05:10 |
| mako | mdz: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/hoary_kickoff-20041025-summary.html | 05:11 |
| mdz | does firefox use the GNOME mime system, or something else? | 05:11 |
| mako | mdz: ergh.. wrong title | 05:11 |
| fabbione | dpkg-deb: building package `xlibmesa3' in `../xlibmesa3_6.8.1-0.2_i386.deb'. | 05:12 |
| fabbione | touch stampdir/binary-arch | 05:12 |
| fabbione | dpkg-genchanges -b | 05:12 |
| fabbione | dpkg-genchanges: binary-only upload - not including any source code | 05:12 |
| fabbione | dpkg-buildpackage: binary only upload (no source included) | 05:12 |
| fabbione | real 30m7.048s | 05:12 |
| fabbione | user 13m56.844s | 05:12 |
| fabbione | sys 6m45.783s | 05:12 |
| fabbione | (hoary-chroot)fabbione@macaroni:~/xorg-6.8.1 $ | 05:12 |
| fabbione | damn.. | 05:12 |
| fabbione | it's only my 2 severs that are fucking slow? | 05:12 |
| fabbione | daniels: stop leeching pr0n from them | 05:13 |
| daniels | heh | 05:14 |
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| mdz | ARGH | 05:17 |
| mdz | I just followed up to one of those random hoary-changes emails without noticing | 05:17 |
| fabbione | touch stampdir/binary-arch | 05:17 |
| fabbione | dpkg-genchanges -B | 05:17 |
| fabbione | dpkg-genchanges: arch-specific upload - not including arch-independent packages | 05:17 |
| fabbione | dpkg-genchanges: binary-only upload - not including any source code | 05:17 |
| fabbione | dpkg-buildpackage: binary only upload (no source included) | 05:17 |
| fabbione | real 35m20.553s | 05:17 |
| fabbione | user 18m7.915s | 05:17 |
| fabbione | sys 6m18.721s | 05:17 |
| fabbione | YEAH | 05:17 |
| fabbione | and ppc is there | 05:18 |
| mako | azeem: thanks for the traffic bug | 05:18 |
| fabbione | time to take a snapshot | 05:18 |
| mdz | mako: thanks | 05:22 |
| mdz | mako: where can I link to the transcript? | 05:23 |
| mako | mdz: it's in the same directory | 05:24 |
| mako | mdz: or should be | 05:24 |
| mdz | mako: thanks | 05:24 |
| mdz | all 420k of it | 05:24 |
| === mako nods | ||
| mako | mdz: in the future, i'd appreciate it if you had <4h meetings. i'm sure you would too :) | 05:26 |
| mako | mdz: i'm sending out UT today so i'm not going to post it by itself | 05:26 |
| mdz | mako: I'll announce the summary with my update | 05:27 |
| mako | mdz: awesome | 05:27 |
| mdz | mako: my wrists are in agreement about the meeting duration, believe me | 05:27 |
| mdz | but the agenda for that one had been accumulating for 6 months | 05:27 |
| sivang | mdz : you mena the last CC / TB meeting? | 05:28 |
| daniels | mercifully it was a week or so before daylight savings, so it started at 2am, not 4am | 05:28 |
| mdz | sivang: no, the kickoff meeting | 05:29 |
| sivang | ah | 05:29 |
| fabbione | elmo: are you still around? | 05:29 |
| elmo | yes | 05:29 |
| fabbione | cool | 05:30 |
| elmo | I'm currently stamping a green network cable to death | 05:30 |
| fabbione | ehehe | 05:31 |
| thom | elmo: elbow drop it off the top of emperor | 05:31 |
| daniels | i want videos of that. | 05:31 |
| lamont_r | mdz around yet? | 05:39 |
| mdz | lamont_r: yes | 05:39 |
| === mdz points back about 10 lines | ||
| lamont_r | mdz: I don't suppose apt has a config option to override the path to sources.list, eh? | 05:40 |
| mdz | lamont_r: of course it does | 05:40 |
| lamont_r | kewl | 05:40 |
| === lamont_r was just finding the full config doc. | ||
| lamont_r | Dir::Etc::SourceList=foo? | 05:41 |
| === lamont_r grumbles, realizes that way is more work, differenlty | ||
| pitti | sivang: server is back | 05:47 |
| pitti | sivang: it bootet from the degraded RAID, but I certainly have to reboot just one more time later | 05:48 |
| mdz | jdub: ping? | 05:48 |
| daniels | mdz: went to sleep an hour ago | 05:50 |
| === lamont_r goes to a parent teacher conf, and then lunch. bbl | ||
| thom | daniels: shame you didn't notice i'd already uploaded php4 | 05:57 |
| thom | :P | 05:57 |
| daniels | thom: OH YOU SUCKER | 05:57 |
| thom | like, three days ago | 05:58 |
| daniels | thom: when did you do that? | 05:58 |
| daniels | oh | 05:58 |
| daniels | thanks for closing bug #3000 :P | 05:58 |
| thom | didn't see it | 05:58 |
| daniels | oh well | 05:58 |
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| daniels | thanks for the work, in that case :0 | 06:06 |
| daniels | :), even | 06:06 |
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| mvo_ | http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mvo/changelogs | 06:13 |
| elmo | Kamion: ? | 06:13 |
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| fabbione | (one way ticket) | 06:15 |
| fabbione | thom: you got the debs | 06:15 |
| fabbione | CYA! | 06:15 |
| thom | OMFG people are FICK. | 06:16 |
| daniels | thom: ... | 06:16 |
| thom | ..."ask if we can modify httpd.conf" THAT'S WHAT CONF.D IS FOR CRETIN | 06:17 |
| daniels | thom: what? who said that? | 06:17 |
| azeem | FICK? | 06:17 |
| azeem | thom: did you shout, or was that some cool acronym I didn't know about? | 06:18 |
| thom | azeem: a stupid person saying thick | 06:18 |
| thom | works best in a northern british access | 06:18 |
| thom | uh, accent | 06:18 |
| daniels | thom: you already said 'stupid' ;) | 06:18 |
| thom | daniels: it's in the backuppc changelog | 06:19 |
| azeem | thom: it's 'fuck' in german, so I wondered | 06:19 |
| daniels | thom: oh dear | 06:19 |
| azeem | or at least roughly | 06:19 |
| daniels | wow, gdb is big | 06:19 |
| thom | azeem: heh | 06:19 |
| daniels | thom: i would have to say the most under-utilised feature of apache/a2's configuration handling has been sites-* | 06:20 |
| daniels | thom: mods-* seems to have worked well, but most people seem to have ignored the host stuff | 06:20 |
| thom | daniels: to some extent | 06:20 |
| mdz | pitti: here? | 06:21 |
| daniels | thom: even worse, the backuppc stuff was for a *module* | 06:21 |
| pitti | mdz: yes | 06:21 |
| daniels | thom: i.e. mods-* and a2enmod | 06:21 |
| daniels | thom: which to some extent? | 06:21 |
| mdz | pitti: do you know what happened with aptitude's su->sudo changes being lost? | 06:21 |
| pitti | mdz: currently repairing my remote server | 06:21 |
| mdz | pitti: was it a problem with the automated process or the manual process? | 06:21 |
| thom | daniels: yeah | 06:21 |
| pitti | mdz: I just repaired it today | 06:21 |
| pitti | mdz: I can't really say | 06:21 |
| pitti | mdz: I used the merged diff as basis and I thought I got every diff from there | 06:22 |
| mdz | I'm sure Keybuk would like to know about it if it was dropped by his tools | 06:22 |
| pitti | mdz: missing these changes would have been not easy, it touches a hell of a lot of files | 06:22 |
| pitti | mdz: nevertheless it might be possible that I missed it | 06:22 |
| daniels | thom: which part of it was 'to some extent'? | 06:23 |
| thom | daniels: oh, some people seem to use sites-*, but it's not really visible to us because packages in general don't | 06:23 |
| daniels | right, point | 06:23 |
| daniels | i suppose also it's not really a general use thing | 06:23 |
| daniels | i suspect my plans for vhost-base were aiming to a vastly wider audience than it was ever going to get | 06:24 |
| thom | yeah | 06:24 |
| daniels | ho hum | 06:24 |
| mdz | pitti: hmm, the changes seem to be present in the 0.2.15.8-1ubuntu1 in ~scott/merged/ | 06:25 |
| pitti | mdz: then I probably just forgot about them | 06:25 |
| pitti | mdz: ah, now I remember. The merged package was a mess | 06:26 |
| pitti | mdz: so I took the Debian package and applied the Warty changes | 06:26 |
| pitti | mdz: btw, the old patches did not work any more anyway | 06:26 |
| mdz | pitti: ah, ok | 06:27 |
| pitti | mdz: I rewrote the sudo support today, now it's working perfectly again | 06:27 |
| mdz | pitti: we should probably add a config variable for the gain-root program | 06:27 |
| mdz | so it can go upstream | 06:27 |
| pitti | mdz: I can add that | 06:27 |
| mdz | elmo: are we supposed to get mail from katie about warty-security uploads? | 06:29 |
| elmo | mdz: no | 06:29 |
| elmo | mail is sent at unchecked -> queue/accepted time; obviously that's not an option | 06:29 |
| mdz | elmo: I mean in the same way that we do in Debian | 06:30 |
| mdz | an Accepted mail goes out for the sourceful upload | 06:30 |
| elmo | to the maintainer - the trick on security.d.o is that ALL mail is overriden to team@s.d.o | 06:30 |
| lupus_ | someone from europe here? | 06:30 |
| mdz | can we do the same for warty? | 06:31 |
| fabbione | lupus_: yes | 06:31 |
| lupus_ | can someone conform that winter time is not autoset ? | 06:31 |
| thom | fabbione: shouldn't you be out getting drunk | 06:31 |
| elmo | dude, it's not a separate archive, if I add GlobalOverrideEmail, you'll get ALL the accepted mail, including hoary etc. :P | 06:31 |
| fabbione | lupus_: it was here | 06:31 |
| thom | lupus_: it autoset fine for me | 06:31 |
| pitti | lupus_: works fine for me | 06:31 |
| elmo | I can TODO doing a per-suite GlobalOverride, if you like | 06:31 |
| mdz | elmo: oh, you meant _ALL_ mail | 06:31 |
| fabbione | thom: waiting for my gf to finish her phone call | 06:31 |
| thom | ah | 06:31 |
| mdz | elmo: yeah, we need to know when something is uploaded to that queue | 06:31 |
| fabbione | that means something between tomorrow and forever | 06:32 |
| thom | heh | 06:32 |
| thom | pour alcohol on the phone | 06:32 |
| fabbione | no way | 06:32 |
| fabbione | that will take down my adsl | 06:32 |
| thom | heh | 06:33 |
| lupus_ | how can I see in which package a certain package is | 06:33 |
| daniels | dpkg -S | 06:33 |
| lupus_ | I mean file :) | 06:33 |
| azeem | daniels: that only works for files ;) | 06:33 |
| fabbione | lupus_: these questions are more appropriate for #ubuntu | 06:34 |
| fabbione | this is a developer channels | 06:34 |
| fabbione | to discuss development | 06:34 |
| lupus_ | yes fabbione I know sorry :) | 06:34 |
| daniels | the phone is, apparently, unoccupied at the present moment | 06:36 |
| lupus_ | run :p | 06:36 |
| === thom wishes x was smaller | ||
| thom | you guyys suck, make my X smaller | 06:36 |
| elmo | thom: that would be a world-tour marathon, not a sprint | 06:37 |
| daniels | thom: dude, 5-13, London weather is pissy | 06:37 |
| daniels | thom: at least it doesn't fall over every time you upgrade it | 06:37 |
| thom | daniels: it was a bracing 12C today | 06:37 |
| thom | and sunny and nice | 06:38 |
| daniels | thom: it was colder in cph, and I was out for a jog in my singlet and shorts | 06:38 |
| daniels | it was lovely | 06:38 |
| daniels | you're just weak. you should try maintaining a Real Package like X, because apparently that toughens you up. | 06:38 |
| daniels | anyway, it's time for food in this lovely city. 'nacht' | 06:39 |
| thom | no thanks, i'm not maintaining anything that you've massacred again :-) | 06:39 |
| thom | night | 06:39 |
| daniels | and it's OK, I didn't really mean it. except the bit about Firefox dying horribly every time you upgrade it. | 06:39 |
| daniels | fix that. yesterday. | 06:39 |
| azeem | "our fellow Ubuntista" <- is that the official denotation? | 06:39 |
| lupus_ | k maybe a dumb idea | 06:39 |
| lupus_ | but what about screenshots of the apps in aptitude | 06:39 |
| azeem | apps in aptitude? | 06:40 |
| azeem | you mean tetris? | 06:40 |
| thom | YM synaptic | 06:40 |
| lupus_ | idd synaptic | 06:40 |
| thom | and, that would be fairly not trivial to do | 06:40 |
| azeem | ah, minesweeper it is | 06:40 |
| daniels | s/massacred/improved/ | 06:40 |
| daniels | not my fault you can't appreciate DBS | 06:41 |
| lupus_ | sorry I'm mixing names :s | 06:41 |
| thom | i appreciate dbs and cdbs equally | 06:41 |
| seb128 | cdbs | 06:44 |
| seb128 | cdbs rocks :) | 06:44 |
| thom | it rocks as much as DBS, yes | 06:44 |
| azeem | cdbs2 is written in shell as well, so it should rock twice as much! | 06:47 |
| seb128 | :) | 06:47 |
| thom | rocking twice as much as nothing is, let me think, still nothing! ;-) | 06:48 |
| azeem | depends on your numerical accuracy :) | 06:49 |
| azeem | at least some bits are rocking during the execution, so it *will* be > 0, q.e.d. | 06:50 |
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| === thom had a firefly quote in mind for that | ||
| === jbailey scrolls back | ||
| jbailey | Oh lovely, It's not serious cdbs flamage. /me fades away again. | 06:52 |
| === thom grins at jbailey | ||
| thom | merely a pet whine | 06:53 |
| jbailey | thom: Aside from applying rm -rf to the source tree and providing documentation, is there anything I can do to make it better for you? | 06:53 |
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| thom | jbailey: i dislike the concept more than the implementation, tbh | 06:54 |
| azeem | thom: yeah, code resuse sucks | 06:55 |
| azeem | eh, reuse | 06:55 |
| jbailey | thom: Fair enough. Given that people seem to like it (and so you're probably stuck with it), if it can be made easier for you, lemme know. =) | 06:55 |
| thom | jbailey: my main problem is trying to debug other people packages with it | 06:56 |
| thom | so a nice way to find out exactly what is happening (or documenting such a thing if it exists) would probably make me much happier | 06:56 |
| jbailey | thom: What type of information would be most helpful - the stages that it's passing through? I've added a couple debug modes to cdbsv2 that do an 'set -x' in cdbs so you can see each command as it's executed. | 06:58 |
| thom | seeing each command would be great | 06:59 |
| seb128 | jbailey: what's really missing in cdbs1 is a multi-build :p | 06:59 |
| === jbailey pats sb on the head. | ||
| jbailey | Yes, dear. | 06:59 |
| seb128 | that and a complete descriptions of the variables available and the build steps | 07:00 |
| jbailey | Yeah, that's a bit suboptimal. I do have that in the new stuff, though. | 07:00 |
| jbailey | 'debian/rules help' will be your friend. =) | 07:00 |
| seb128 | ie: you want to move some file after the binary install and before the dh_strip, no easy to find what to add | 07:00 |
| seb128 | yeah, I was speaking about the v1 | 07:01 |
| jbailey | Yar, you're evil. | 07:01 |
| seb128 | I'm sure the new one will rock even more :) | 07:01 |
| jbailey | food time. | 07:01 |
| seb128 | have a good lunch :) | 07:01 |
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| === pitti is happy again, his server is brought back to life :-) | ||
| thom | well, Xorg hasn't broken yet | 07:32 |
| sjoerd | pitti: did you have time for pmount stuff, or still swamped in other work ? :) | 07:33 |
| pitti | sjoerd: I already implemented the --async/-a option | 07:34 |
| sjoerd | nice | 07:34 |
| pitti | sjoerd: the -t option (force file system) is implemented, but not yet tested | 07:34 |
| pitti | sjoerd: I had to repair my server today | 07:34 |
| pitti | sjoerd: for -t I restructured the code, now it looks really better | 07:34 |
| pitti | sjoerd: the last problem is the uid checking | 07:35 |
| pitti | sjoerd: now the uid checking works well for VFAT, hfs, iso9660, udf, etc. | 07:35 |
| pitti | sjoerd: but it does not work for file systems which don't support uid/gid options | 07:35 |
| pitti | sjoerd: because pmount then cannot tell which user mounted it | 07:35 |
| pitti | sjoerd: by now all users are allowed to pumount such devices if they are mounted in /media | 07:36 |
| pitti | sjoerd: there's no trivial solution | 07:36 |
| pitti | sjoerd: or do you have an idea how to accomplish this without an additional state file? | 07:36 |
| sjoerd | not offhand no | 07:37 |
| pitti | sjoerd: anyway, since that is no real regression, I will test the -t stuff now and release it | 07:41 |
| sjoerd | cool | 07:41 |
| pitti | sjoerd: but before, I just HAVE to try out X.org, sorry :-) | 07:41 |
| sjoerd | haha | 07:42 |
| === sjoerd guesses nobody tried them on a debian system :) | ||
| Mitario | hmm, are there x.org packages for ubuntu already available? I tought I heard something like it | 07:45 |
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| daniels | good lord, I think I just ate an entire cow | 07:51 |
| daniels | I am *so* *full*. and definitely not coming back online tonight. 'night all. | 07:52 |
| daniels | thom: ill! | 07:52 |
| daniels | Mitario: not for general consumption yet as there are still no doubt many very bad bugs to work through, but look for an announcement from fabbione and I very, very soon :) | 07:52 |
| daniels | bah. | 07:52 |
| sjoerd | hehe | 07:53 |
| pitti | daniels: night! | 07:54 |
| pitti | daniels: happy digesting! :-) | 07:54 |
| amu | oo xorg | 07:55 |
| amu | daniels: you need some feedback for ppc-port ? | 07:57 |
| daniels | amu: always | 07:58 |
| pitti | sjoerd: -t support works fine :-) | 07:59 |
| sjoerd | pitti: woohoo :) | 07:59 |
| pitti | sjoerd: anything else you'd like to see? | 07:59 |
| sjoerd | pitti: not executable for everyone in the debian package :) | 07:59 |
| pitti | sjoerd: the packaging already supports that | 08:00 |
| pitti | sjoerd: it's a mere variable change in the postinst | 08:00 |
| sjoerd | i know/saw | 08:00 |
| pitti | sjoerd: but which group to use? | 08:00 |
| pitti | sjoerd: I didn't find time yet to ask on d-devel | 08:00 |
| sjoerd | dunno.. you were going to send a mail remember ;) | 08:00 |
| === pitti is still going... | ||
| sjoerd | ah | 08:00 |
| pitti | I'll do | 08:00 |
| pitti | sjoerd: BTW, are you interested in doing a source code audit? | 08:01 |
| pitti | sjoerd: mdz digged though a very early version, but almost everything changed since then | 08:01 |
| sjoerd | pitti: if you have the source available, i can probably find some time to dig through it | 08:02 |
| pitti | sjoerd: I'll upload it to Hoary and sid soon | 08:02 |
| sjoerd | k | 08:02 |
| sjoerd | i'm packaging hal 0.4.1, do you have stuff pending for it ? | 08:03 |
| pitti | not really | 08:03 |
| pitti | I read the announcement though | 08:03 |
| pitti | sjoerd: BTW, any plans to put it into Sarge? | 08:03 |
| pitti | sjoerd: it has run fine for some weeks now | 08:03 |
| sjoerd | same here | 08:04 |
| sjoerd | i'm planning to upload this package to sid | 08:04 |
| pitti | nice | 08:04 |
| pitti | brb (hopefully) | 08:04 |
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| pitti | fabbione, daniels: congrats! Neither the upgrade, nor the restart showed any flaw! | 08:07 |
| pitti | fabbione, daniels: YOU ROCK!!! | 08:07 |
| sjoerd | would be interesting to know if xorg works on a albook, never got my selfcompiled version working.. | 08:08 |
| sjoerd | pitti: #279395 is pending for hal currently, which i would like to have fixed.. | 08:09 |
| sjoerd | stupid vendors.. ging different devices the same usb id's | 08:09 |
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| Mitario | back | 08:15 |
| Mitario | daniels, ok, thanks, i'll look forward to the announcement :) | 08:16 |
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| seb128 | elmo: any way to get a sync for libgda2 1.1.99 (experimental) and libgnomedb 1.1.99 (experimental too) ? | 08:36 |
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| elmo | seb128: done | 08:48 |
| mbb | bugzilla question - 'Assign To:' defaults to amu@tr.debian.net - should I leave that alone, change to debzilla, or ?? | 08:48 |
| seb128 | elmo: thanks | 08:51 |
| seb128 | mbb: leave it | 08:52 |
| seb128 | mbb: the assign to is set according to the component you have selected | 08:52 |
| Kamion | elmo: yes? (sorry for delay) | 09:01 |
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| elmo | Kamion: not to worry :) | 09:07 |
| elmo | was going to ask about the netboot stuff, but I just reported a bug instead | 09:07 |
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| flax07 | hi there - there seems to be a known problem with install on dell c600 - to do with DMA on cdrom - can anyone advise if there is a way around to install? | 09:10 |
| Kamion | elmo: mmkay, ta | 09:12 |
| === lamont returns home with a G3. Kamion: this should just boot and work from the warty CD, yes? | ||
| seb128 | oh, a guy mailed the ubuntu-fr list with a problem with a G3 today | 09:27 |
| seb128 | he get this on the boot with warty: | 09:27 |
| seb128 | pivot_root: No such file or dirctory | 09:27 |
| seb128 | /sbin/init: 429: cannot open dev/console: | 09:27 |
| seb128 | kernel panic: attempted to kill init! | 09:27 |
| seb128 | 09:27 | |
| seb128 | is that known ? | 09:27 |
| mjg59 | lamont: As long as it's not a beige one, yeah | 09:29 |
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| Kamion | lamont: what mjg59 said; if it's a blue-and-white or later you should be fine | 09:31 |
| Kamion | (modulo picky hardware detection nonsense) | 09:31 |
| lamont | guess it's blue.. looked more green/teal to me. | 09:32 |
| Kamion | seb128: that means that the initrd failed to figure out where the root filesystem is; he should file a bug on probably initrd-tools with as much information about the modules he needs to make his disks go and the filesystem he's using as possible | 09:32 |
| mjg59 | lamont: That's what I think, but... | 09:32 |
| Kamion | lamont: there were various coloured models post-B&W | 09:32 |
| seb128 | Kamion: ok, thanks | 09:32 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: Not G3s, though | 09:32 |
| Kamion | lamont: sounds like newworld to me, anyway | 09:32 |
| Kamion | mjg59: you sure? | 09:32 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: There were other colours in the iMac range - I don't think the G3 changed | 09:32 |
| Kamion | some iMac G3s were green, saith google | 09:32 |
| === lamont goes to fetch and confirm the blue-green debate. | ||
| mjg59 | Kamion: In Mac-speak, G3 usually means the non-iMac G3 | 09:33 |
| mjg59 | (yes, this is crack) | 09:33 |
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| lamont | hrm. aqua, lets call it. | 09:34 |
| Kamion | mjg59: yeah, I know, but (a) lamont didn't specify iMac and (b) I have no reason to believe he's deeply steeped in Mac terminology :) | 09:35 |
| mjg59 | Are the ZORG packages available for general testing, or still just internal? | 09:35 |
| thom | you could just specify !beige | 09:35 |
| mjg59 | thom: That's what I did | 09:35 |
| mjg59 | Aww, man | 09:36 |
| thom | ah, so you did | 09:36 |
| mjg59 | Half an hour to download Hoary packages | 09:36 |
| elmo | all your bandwidth... | 09:36 |
| thom | X crack is still interneal only | 09:36 |
| lamont | Kamion: make that "lamont is known to be very shallow in his mac terminology", and you're closer to correct. | 09:36 |
| mjg59 | Would be an hour if I hadn't upgraded the ADSL | 09:37 |
| mjg59 | Yay ADSL | 09:37 |
| === Mithrandir thinks it is a very stupid idea to build qt on his laptop | ||
| mjg59 | Do we have 2.6.9 yet? | 09:38 |
| Kamion | no | 09:38 |
| mjg59 | Bugger | 09:38 |
| mjg59 | That's going to make life harder | 09:38 |
| Kamion | dunno what the plans are there, mdz's probably in sufficiently close contact with herbert to know | 09:38 |
| mdz | which particular bit of life? | 09:38 |
| Kamion | (lo, speak of the devil and he shall appear) | 09:38 |
| mjg59 | mdz: I want to produce test kernels for power management. 2.6.9 is the most realistic starting point. | 09:38 |
| mjg59 | (Alternatively, I backport all the 2.6.9 PM stuff to 2.6.8...) | 09:39 |
| thom | Kamion: ah, that explains the walking up walls | 09:39 |
| === Kamion thanks $DEITY for cdrom-checker | ||
| mjg59 | Are there any Warty kernel patches that are /required/ ? | 09:40 |
| Kamion | mdz: replied to #2432, btw | 09:41 |
| mdz | mjg59: required in order for the rest of warty to be happy? | 09:41 |
| mdz | if so, nothing that will cause horrible breakage | 09:42 |
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| seb128 | Kamion: the guy who has the G3 problem says that somebody else fixed the issue by building the kernel with "CMD64{3|6|8|9} chipset support" | 09:44 |
| mjg59 | mdz: Yeah. Ok, that makes life easier. I can just drop 2.6.9 in with the Warty config, then. | 09:44 |
| Kamion | seb128: reports from somebody else are rarely reliable here, since there are a number of ways that symptom can occur | 09:44 |
| Kamion | seb128: he can certainly try it though | 09:45 |
| lamont | mdz: was planning to bootstrap sbcl sometime soon, but working on component isolation first. | 09:45 |
| seb128 | Kamion: ok | 09:45 |
| mdz | lamont: ok, please follow up to the list so they know that the request is pending, rather than ignored | 09:47 |
| lamont | mdz: replied | 09:52 |
| mdz | thanks | 09:52 |
| amu | hmm, xorg doesnt work on my ppc :( | 09:56 |
| thom | AAAARGH, FIREFOX YOU SUCK | 09:56 |
| pitti | amu: on my iBook it runs fine | 09:57 |
| amu | pitti: i tried with ati,vesa,fb | 09:58 |
| pitti | amu: it autodetected ati for me (Radeon 9200) | 09:58 |
| === lamont hands thom a shotguin | ||
| amu | pitti: did your run changes after the reconfigure ? | 09:59 |
| lamont | shotgun, even | 09:59 |
| === thom radiates massive HATE | ||
| pitti | amu: "run changes"? Whatever, I just upgraded the packages and restarted gdm. | 09:59 |
| Mithrandir | thom: still playing with firefox? | 09:59 |
| === pitti hands thom a giant water gun | ||
| thom | Mithrandir: yes | 09:59 |
| thom | Mithrandir: ldd segfaults :/ | 10:00 |
| Mithrandir | thom: _ew_ | 10:00 |
| Mithrandir | how does it manage to do that? | 10:00 |
| Mithrandir | that requires _skillz_. | 10:01 |
| Kamion | holy shit, base-config/hoary didn't totally break | 10:02 |
| Kamion | although Desktop is uninstallable, predictably | 10:02 |
| Mitario | seb128, here? | 10:02 |
| Kamion | uh, just a mild query | 10:02 |
| Kamion | why the HELL does http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~cjwatson/testing/warty_probs.html have ANYTHING in it? | 10:03 |
| thom | Mithrandir: scary huh | 10:03 |
| thom | Mithrandir: ldd on /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/libsmime3.so | 10:04 |
| thom | the same version is fine here | 10:04 |
| mjg59 | What's the name of the package used for building kernel debs? | 10:04 |
| mjg59 | As in, the source for the actual debs, not kernel-package | 10:05 |
| lamont | elmo about? | 10:05 |
| Kamion | mjg59: linux-source-2.6.8.1 | 10:05 |
| thom | linux-image-2.6.8.1 | 10:05 |
| mjg59 | thom: linux-image doesn't seem to exist? | 10:06 |
| Kamion | elmo: can you pull librasqal0 and librasqal0-dev into hoary, please? | 10:06 |
| Kamion | mjg59: no, it's definitely linux-source-2.6.8.1 | 10:06 |
| mjg59 | Oh, no, it's part of linux-source | 10:07 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: Thanks | 10:07 |
| thom | sorry, too used to just trusting apt-get source ;-) | 10:07 |
| Kamion | we don't do the "one source package for each architecture" thing | 10:07 |
| thom | Mithrandir: and the build looks the same, so goddess knows | 10:07 |
| mjg59 | Hurrah for having a cable modem to download stuff with when I'm swamping the ADSL | 10:07 |
| Kamion | libgnomevfs2-common and libwvstreams3-base need to switch dependencies from libfam to libgamin | 10:09 |
| Kamion | that's the other reason Desktop is uninstallable at the moment | 10:09 |
| thom | Mithrandir: can you grab the firefox source from hoary and see if it builds for you if you have a moment? | 10:10 |
| Mithrandir | thom: sure, any particular platform? | 10:10 |
| seb128 | Kamion: ok, I'll fix libgnomevfs2-common | 10:11 |
| Kamion | ta | 10:11 |
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| thom | Mithrandir: just amd64 | 10:12 |
| thom | Mithrandir: other two built fine | 10:12 |
| thom | and i have amd64 binaries from that source locally, so i dunno what's going on | 10:13 |
| thom | hrm, crested got the segfault on rc1-3, and king on rc1-3ubuntu1, so it's not the machine. ber | 10:14 |
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| Mithrandir | freshening chroot | 10:15 |
| Mithrandir | thom: what's the estimated build time? | 10:17 |
| thom | 30 minutes or so | 10:20 |
| Mithrandir | ok | 10:20 |
| mdz | Kamion: rest up and get well | 10:29 |
| sjoerd | pitti: hmm if the user is running the right locale it can ofcourse.. | 10:37 |
| pitti | sjoerd: I did not yet know that VFAT and NTFS always use Unicode | 10:37 |
| pitti | sjoerd: but that's actually nice :-) | 10:37 |
| sjoerd | pitti: do they, the guy i'm talking to says that he needs to specify iocharset=utf8 | 10:38 |
| pitti | sjoerd: from mount(8): Character set to use for converting between 8 bit characters and 16 bit Unicode characters. The default is iso88591. Long filenames are stored on disk in Unicode format. | 10:38 |
| pitti | sjoerd: so this means that the default is wrong for him | 10:39 |
| sjoerd | oh but their converted to latin.. | 10:39 |
| pitti | sjoerd: great, I just wanted to try that out and how hal 'D's again... | 10:40 |
| sjoerd | hehe | 10:40 |
| === pitti grabs a floppy | ||
| pitti | sjoerd: hmm, I use de_DE.UTF-8 as locale, and umlauts work fine as filenames... How can I test that? | 10:41 |
| carlos | seb128: new metacity does "funny" things when executing a OO presentation with full screen option | 10:41 |
| carlos | seb128: the panel is there always althought it's hide partially by the presentation | 10:42 |
| sjoerd | pitti: also in long filenames ? | 10:43 |
| pitti | sjoerd: right, I forgot | 10:43 |
| sjoerd | pitti: and you can try to write with iocharset=utf-8 and then remount with default iocharset | 10:43 |
| thom | carlos: looks fine here | 10:43 |
| seb128 | carlos: are you sure that's the new metacity ? no problem here | 10:43 |
| carlos | seb128: I think it's metacity, because it handles that, right? | 10:44 |
| carlos | hmm | 10:44 |
| carlos | let me recheck it... | 10:44 |
| carlos | seb128: ok, the problem seems to be the initial focus | 10:46 |
| carlos | seb128: the panel has the main focus until I click over the presentation | 10:46 |
| carlos | then, the panel is hiden | 10:47 |
| seb128 | ok, so that's an openoffice.org problem | 10:47 |
| seb128 | with the new focus stealing preventient mode in metacity the apps need to update their timestamp | 10:48 |
| Mithrandir | argh, I broke my power plug. Again. | 10:50 |
| carlos | seb128: do you want a bug report ? | 10:51 |
| thom | Mithrandir: d'oh :( | 10:52 |
| thom | how did firefuck go? | 10:52 |
| seb128 | carlos: no time for openoffice sorry, find somebody else. I've a lot to do with GNOME without starting with openoffice ... | 10:52 |
| carlos | seb128: I'm asking about a bug report in bugzilla :-) | 10:53 |
| carlos | no to fix it now | 10:53 |
| seb128 | carlos: yes, but not assigned to me | 10:54 |
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| Mithrandir | thom: /usr/bin/ldd: line 1: 24504 Segmentation fault LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1 LD_WARN= LD_BIND_NOW= LD_LIBRARY_VERSION=$verify_out LD_VERBOSE= ${RTLD} "$file" | 10:54 |
| Mithrandir | dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: ldd on `debian/mozilla-firefox/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/libsmime3.so' gave error exit status 1 | 10:54 |
| carlos | seb128: don't worry, I use always the default value unless someone tells me other thing | 10:54 |
| thom | huh | 10:54 |
| Mithrandir | I can't get it to sigsegv by hand, though | 10:55 |
| thom | so wtf is dh_shlibdeps up to then? | 10:56 |
| Mithrandir | it just calls dpkg-shlibdeps, isn't it? | 10:56 |
| thom | yep | 10:56 |
| Mithrandir | well, calling that by hand doesn't fail | 10:57 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: repeatable? | 11:00 |
| thom | mdz: the buildds are doing the same | 11:01 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: the buildds and my hoary chroot makes it fall over. | 11:01 |
| Mithrandir | might be a chroot issue -- I can test when I get home. | 11:01 |
| thom | it built fine for me | 11:01 |
| Mithrandir | (my home box is powered off) | 11:01 |
| thom | but i'm just freshening a chroot to try it | 11:01 |
| mdz | so it blows up when building with dpkg-buildpackage, but not when you run dh_shlibdeps by hand? | 11:01 |
| Mithrandir | correct | 11:02 |
| mdz | fascinating | 11:02 |
| lifeless | spock! | 11:02 |
| === mdz raises one eyebrow | ||
| mjg59 | Hrngh. | 11:05 |
| === mjg59 almost gets things into a state where he can build them | ||
| mdz | Keybuk: around? | 11:05 |
| mdz | mjg59: kernel? | 11:05 |
| Keybuk | mdz: yup, briefly | 11:06 |
| mdz | Keybuk: wanted to talk with you about ongoing merges for hoary, and how we should manage them | 11:07 |
| Keybuk | didn't we talk about that on Tuesday? | 11:08 |
| elmo | Kamion: done | 11:08 |
| elmo | lamont: am now | 11:08 |
| mjg59 | mdz: Yeah | 11:09 |
| Keybuk | mdz: will be back in an hour or so | 11:11 |
| mdz | Keybuk: we didn't get into specifics, did we? | 11:11 |
| thom | mdz: hardware database meeting? (we could just do it in LA whilst i'm there) | 11:11 |
| mdz | Keybuk: you said you would work on it. are there no unresolved questions? | 11:12 |
| Keybuk | yeah, I'm cooking up a script that takes the "what needs merging" output, does the 3-way diff on it, and files a bug to say it needs checking and uploading | 11:12 |
| Keybuk | none that I know of | 11:12 |
| mdz | thom: when's that? | 11:12 |
| thom | mdz: 11-23 | 11:12 |
| thom | of nov | 11:12 |
| mdz | I'm going to be away during some piece of that, but not all | 11:12 |
| mdz | Keybuk: what will you do with packages where a bug is already filed? | 11:13 |
| thom | well, i'm in vegas from the 12th to the 17th actually | 11:13 |
| mdz | ah, that's better then | 11:13 |
| Keybuk | mdz: your debzilla stuff looked like it allows you to add a comment to a bug ... I was going to do that and add a "dude, you're SO SLOW" type comment to it | 11:13 |
| mdz | Keybuk: what it doesn't have is a useful query interface to find a bug | 11:14 |
| mdz | except by alias | 11:14 |
| mdz | though, come to think of it, that's probably exactly what you want anyway | 11:14 |
| Keybuk | *nods* | 11:14 |
| mdz | alias merge-<source package> or such | 11:14 |
| mdz | with a nice database constraint to prevent any accidents | 11:15 |
| mdz | Keybuk: ok, I think we're sorted, then, thanks | 11:15 |
| Keybuk | kewl | 11:15 |
| === Keybuk runs off for a bit | ||
| mjg59 | I am disappointed that Hoary has not provided me with huge amounts of crack | 11:27 |
| thom | oh, just wait :-) | 11:28 |
| seb128 | thooooooooom | 11:30 |
| seb128 | thom: you broke the typeahead in my epiphany :p | 11:30 |
| lamont | elmo: just deployed the ogre-model sources.lists hack on the buildds. it should be happy, but please feel free to squawk/beat me if you see anything amiss. | 11:31 |
| seb128 | thom: need to build firebox with the "typeaheadfind" in the mozconfig | 11:31 |
| === thom giggles at seb128 | ||
| thom | no way dude | 11:31 |
| thom | that breaks type ahead find on firefox | 11:31 |
| seb128 | ok, so switching back to mozilla | 11:31 |
| thom | d'oh :/ | 11:32 |
| seb128 | I can't use a browser without a typeahead | 11:32 |
| elmo | lamont: neato | 11:32 |
| seb128 | and I probably not alone | 11:32 |
| seb128 | +'m | 11:32 |
| thom | seb128: indeed | 11:32 |
| thom | i got a metric fuckload of bugs when it broke on firefox | 11:32 |
| seb128 | thom: why enabling "typeaheadfind" breaks the typeahead in firefox ? | 11:33 |
| thom | because mozilla sucks | 11:33 |
| thom | seb128: they moved from the typeaheadfind extension to FAYT, and if you enable typeaheadfind, it breaks FAYT, but doesn't work itself | 11:33 |
| lamont | elmo: what that means, oh archive god, is that all of the unknown section packages that aren't really main will FTBFS now. | 11:34 |
| mdz | mjg59: crack should be inbound quite soon | 11:36 |
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| lamont | mdz: and that means that sbcl is now ready to bootstrap... but first a short break while I panic and go get the kids... | 11:37 |
| mdz | lamont: cool | 11:37 |
| mdz | do we have any means to test whether build-depends are satisfiable in main, other than trying to build everything? | 11:38 |
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| mjg59 | Argh. | 11:42 |
| mjg59 | If I do EXPORT_SYMBOL() on something, why would I get undefined reference in... oh, christ, I'm an idiot | 11:43 |
| === mjg59 goes to hack the configs | ||
| elmo | fuck's sake, how do I unbind C-l in xchat? | 11:44 |
| elmo | lamont: blah, sucks | 11:44 |
| chrisa | damn | 11:44 |
| chrisa | I pressed C-l out of curiosity | 11:44 |
| cenerentola | hi there | 11:46 |
| mjg59 | It links! | 11:46 |
| cenerentola | got a big problme | 11:46 |
| mjg59 | What's the hoary-updates list? | 11:47 |
| cenerentola | i did an update&&upgrade under warty... | 11:48 |
| mdz | elmo: probably the same way you change other keybindings in xchat: modify the hardcoded values in the source | 11:48 |
| mdz | but who presses C-i anyway? | 11:48 |
| thom | mjg59: hoary-changes@lists.ubuntu.com | 11:48 |
| cenerentola | and when the shell appeared... it started printing things like "dpkg could not... | 11:48 |
| cenerentola | " | 11:48 |
| cenerentola | and gnome collapsed | 11:48 |
| mjg59 | thom: Ta | 11:49 |
| thom | GAR, stupid firefox just built ok in a chroot for me | 11:49 |
| mjg59 | Ooh, update-manager exists | 11:50 |
| === mjg59 lunges for the crack | ||
| jdub | mdz: pong | 11:50 |
| jdub | morning all! | 11:50 |
| seb128 | hello jdub | 11:50 |
| jdub | yo seb128 | 11:51 |
| mdz | jdub: I still need for you to update the hoary goals page with the status of your bounty candidates | 11:51 |
| pitti | Hi jdub! | 11:51 |
| jdub | mdz: ok | 11:51 |
| mdz | some of those are "will be done as a bounty, have someone lined up" and others are "bounty, need to find someone", and we need to differentiate them | 11:51 |
| seb128 | jdub: I've uploaded epiphany/firefox, but I'll probably upload epiphany/mozilla again soon so hurry up if you want to test the firefox one :) | 11:51 |
| jdub | seb128: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154034 | 11:52 |
| jdub | woo :) | 11:52 |
| jdub | seb128: oh? it's not good? | 11:52 |
| mjg59 | The craptop makes nasty noises when I log out | 11:52 |
| seb128 | jdub: no typeahead at all ... | 11:53 |
| mdz | cenerentola: /topic | 11:53 |
| cenerentola | mdz: so? | 11:53 |
| mdz | cenerentola: #ubuntu is the place for support | 11:53 |
| seb128 | jdub: need "typeaheadfind" in firefox, which breaks firefox according to thom ... and using a browser without a typeahead is a pain | 11:53 |
| cenerentola | they can't help me | 11:53 |
| seb128 | jdub: so I guess I'll switch back time to find a solution | 11:53 |
| jdub | seb128: i think that's fairly reasonable as a development branch bug | 11:54 |
| jdub | seb128: if we work around bugs all the time, no one will want to fix them :) | 11:54 |
| mjg59 | update-manager looks really, really lovely | 11:54 |
| mjg59 | Is there a notification applet for it yet? | 11:54 |
| mdz | mjg59: upgrade-notifier | 11:54 |
| mdz | they aren't quite integrated with each other, yet | 11:54 |
| seb128 | jdub: so we need to fix it NOW :) | 11:55 |
| cenerentola | mdz: i cant get you... have got a broken OS... i need all it up & running and all u can say its: not the right place? | 11:55 |
| seb128 | jdub: I didn't notice I use the typeahead that much before | 11:55 |
| cenerentola | i wouldnt ask here if id not this big big big problem | 11:55 |
| seb128 | but without it, arrrg | 11:55 |
| pitti | mdz: the shadow vulnerability just appeared on full-disclosure | 11:55 |
| jdub | seb128: ... welcome to hoary. :-) | 11:55 |
| seb128 | ah ah | 11:56 |
| pitti | mdz: so I could upload now | 11:56 |
| mdz | pitti: go ahead | 11:56 |
| cenerentola | mdz: and remember that YOUR update&&upgrade broke iot | 11:56 |
| cenerentola | ...it | 11:56 |
| mdz | cenerentola: I sympathise with your predicament, but the fact that you couldn't get help elsewhere is not a reason to bring your problem to a place where it is off-topic | 11:57 |
| seb128 | jdub: BTW cool for #154034 :) | 11:57 |
| mdz | cenerentola: believe me, if upgrading warty was the cause, there would be a large number of users with the same problem | 11:57 |
| mjg59 | Oh, rocking | 11:58 |
| mjg59 | Someone's ported the i830 framebuffer driver to 2.6 | 11:58 |
| jdub | mdz: i would like a new glibc. can we have one? i promise to feed him and keep him warm. | 11:59 |
| mdz | jdub: have you talked to gotom about it? | 11:59 |
| mdz | leaping ahead of Debian on glibc smells faintly of crack | 12:00 |
| Mitario | mjg59, they will get integrated this week I reckon :) | 12:00 |
| thom | mdz: only faintly? you must be getting acclimatised | 12:00 |
| mdz | thom: it's faint after it's wafted its way up from down under | 12:00 |
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