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| sparkes_x | won't be here for start of doc meeting | 12:37 |
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| sparkes_x | I am logging | 12:37 |
| sparkes_x | afk bbl | 12:37 |
| sivang | sparkes_x : why x ? :) | 12:42 |
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| sparkes | is this better? | 12:43 |
| sparkes_x | lot's of lag on my other client this direct one seems best today | 12:43 |
| sparkes_x | bbl really late now ;-) | 12:43 |
| sivang | how late is it for you? | 12:45 |
| sparkes_x | it's almost midday ;-) but I have to be elsewhere for the next hour or so | 12:46 |
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| sivang | darn. | 01:02 |
| sivang | had to crash x, | 01:02 |
| sivang | tried to use nvtv to attend meeting through TV | 01:02 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:sivang] : Documentation Team Meeting, 2004-11-04 13:00UTC | ||
| sivang | does anybody knows of other people who might be on their way to attend this? | 01:04 |
| sivang | hmm, not much of reaction..is there anybody here alive? | 01:06 |
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| sivang | each person who's alive here, please say "beep" :) | 01:08 |
| sivang | ok, let's try and start - see how long can I talk to myself :) | 01:09 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:sivang] : Documentation Team Meeting, 2004-11-04 13:00UTC, agenda at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocumentationTeamMeeting | ||
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:sivang] : Documentation Team Meeting, 2004-11-04 13:00UTC, agenda at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocumentationTeamMeeting | Seems everybody asleep here or out, I'll be ideling here a bit - msg me (sivang) if you got here and interested in doc issues. | ||
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:sivang] : Documentation Team Meeting, 2004-11-04 13:00UTC, agenda at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocumentationTeamMeeting | Seems everybody asleep here or out, I'll be ideling here a bit - msg me (sivang) if you got here and interested in doc issues | as soon as enough people arrive, we'll start | ||
| === hornbeck is here | ||
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:sivang] : Documentation Team Meeting, 2004-11-04 13:00UTC, agenda at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocumentationTeamMeeting | ||
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| === asw is here | ||
| sivang | yo asw! | 01:50 |
| sivang | :) | 01:50 |
| sivang | whassup? | 01:50 |
| asw | not too much. I'd like to see if I can make the community meeting in Barcelona. Anybody else from the Doc team going to be there? | 01:50 |
| sivang | I would love to be there, not sure if I could manage to though. | 01:52 |
| hornbeck | hey no talking | 01:54 |
| asw | I seem to have taken the unlikely role of Free Software zealot in the group but I do find it slightly grating that we don't uniformly follow the Debian/FSF policy of referring to this O/S as either "Ubuntu" full-stop or "Ubuntu GNU/Linux". I have the irrational desire to go and change every URL that has http://www.ubuntulinux.org to be http://www.ubuntu.com | 01:54 |
| hornbeck | :-) | 01:54 |
| hornbeck | alot of the url's don't seems to work with just www.ubuntu.com | 01:55 |
| === asw reads meeting agenda | ||
| Kamion | ubuntulinux.org was an unfortunate consequence of domain handling politics | 01:56 |
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| Kamion | apart from the domain, I believe that we consistently refer to ourselves as simply "Ubuntu". If you find exceptions, please correct them. | 01:56 |
| asw | hornbeck: can you give an example? Re. broken ubuntu.com links? There should be a standard procedure for filing doc/wiki bugreports (if there isn't already.) | 01:57 |
| sivang | Kamion : we can make some clarification so to note our gratitude to GNU , what do you think? | 01:57 |
| hornbeck | asw: I have not tried them in awhile but for the longest alot of the wiki pages did not work | 01:58 |
| asw | Kamion: I had been told the same thing by Mako. I'm perfectly happy with the idea of the "Ubuntu O/S" full stop. | 01:58 |
| === sivang hails for Ubuntu GNU/Linux | ||
| Kamion | we standardised on simply "Ubuntu" to avoid the whole debate. | 02:00 |
| sivang | ok, that's fine altogether. In docs and referneces we can just say "Ubuntu is a Debian GNU/Linux system, ..." for the record | 02:01 |
| Kamion | it's not | 02:01 |
| sivang | it's not ? | 02:01 |
| Kamion | it's a derivative of Debian GNU/Linux; it's not a Debian GNU/Linux system | 02:01 |
| hornbeck | nice beagle pics up the mozilla extentions now | 02:02 |
| sivang | oops, yes I menat a based | 02:02 |
| asw | in particular, hornbeck's proposed book should either be "Learning the Ubuntu Operating System" or "Learning Ubuntu GNU/Linux" but -not- "Learning Ubuntu Linux" as it is currently called. I don't want to tell other people what to name their work, so, I find the whole thing very awkward. Kamion: yes standardize on Ubuntu (operating sytem) full-stop. Does that sound good to everybody else? | 02:02 |
| sivang | asw : it pretty good to me. | 02:03 |
| sivang | anyways, | 02:03 |
| sivang | shall we start? | 02:03 |
| sivang | Has everybody glanced at the agenda? | 02:03 |
| hornbeck | is sparkes here? | 02:03 |
| sivang | hmm good point | 02:03 |
| sivang | let's see | 02:03 |
| sivang | if no one objects, I don't mind waiting 10 more minutes before we start..:) so maybe every interested party would get the chance | 02:04 |
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| George^Deka | hi all | 02:05 |
| hornbeck | hello | 02:05 |
| asw | hi | 02:05 |
| hornbeck | yes sivang I think we need to wait a few for people strolling in | 02:05 |
| sivang | yes I see now | 02:06 |
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| sivang | hey plovs! | 02:07 |
| hornbeck | plovs!!!!!! | 02:07 |
| hornbeck | you know its amazing how in a chat you act so excited about seeing another grown man | 02:07 |
| hornbeck | hmmm | 02:07 |
| hornbeck | lets retract a couple of the !!! from that | 02:08 |
| sivang | hi lulu, good to see you here :) | 02:08 |
| lulu | Hi all! Great to see such a turnout - sorry I'm late - been working with plovs | 02:08 |
| plovs_work | hi guys! | 02:09 |
| sivang | no it's ok, we're still waiting a bunch for people strolling in... | 02:09 |
| hornbeck | I think we are pretty good now | 02:09 |
| lulu | sivang: is it a standup meeting? I may be a bit behind on email - do we have an agenda and a time limit? | 02:10 |
| sivang | lulu : I've yet to think of a time limit, but the agenda is linked from the topic | 02:10 |
| plovs_work | my time-limit 45 minutes, i have a meeting afterwards | 02:10 |
| lulu | ahh - there it is - thanks :o) | 02:10 |
| hornbeck | I work in about a hour | 02:11 |
| === asw has to leave in an hour also... | ||
| plovs_work | who makes a backup of this whole thing and sends it to enrico? | 02:11 |
| asw | i can do that gladly. | 02:11 |
| lulu | asw:thank you! | 02:12 |
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| hornbeck | sivang: want to start | 02:12 |
| plovs_work | so, shall we go from top to bottom then on the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocumentationTeamMeeting ? | 02:12 |
| sivang | yo enrico my man! | 02:12 |
| === enrico managed to participate | ||
| enrico | Hello all! | 02:13 |
| sivang | thank you enrico for managin this, | 02:13 |
| plovs_work | the man himself! | 02:13 |
| lulu | hey enrico! will you chair the meeting then? | 02:13 |
| === sivang nods | ||
| sivang | enrico : ? | 02:13 |
| enrico | lulu: I can do it, not sure for how much, but I'm confident I can spend at least an hour here | 02:13 |
| enrico | I'm loading galeon and getting to the docmeeteing page | 02:14 |
| asw | enrico: seems that others have to go in an hour too. hornbeck, plovs... | 02:14 |
| sivang | galeon??? | 02:14 |
| enrico | sivang: a web browser | 02:14 |
| sivang | it's oldie , isn't it? | 02:14 |
| enrico | yes | 02:15 |
| sivang | that's why the ??? | 02:15 |
| sivang | :) | 02:15 |
| lulu | guys....... :o) shall we begin!? | 02:15 |
| enrico | Let's begin! | 02:15 |
| sivang | yes! | 02:15 |
| enrico | Who's there? | 02:15 |
| enrico | * Enrico | 02:16 |
| sivang | * Sivan | 02:16 |
| asw | * asw | 02:16 |
| hornbeck | * hornbeck | 02:16 |
| lulu | * lulu | 02:16 |
| ChrisH | * ChrisH | 02:16 |
| George^Deka | * George^Deka | 02:16 |
| sivang | we have several new people here, I would like them to shortly introduce themselves | 02:16 |
| === plovs_work as well | ||
| === sivang notes that the meeting seems to go right as planned :) | ||
| === enrico looks at the agenda, it's huge! | ||
| enrico | Let's begin from the beginning: state of the documentation team | 02:17 |
| enrico | who's who and who does what | 02:17 |
| hornbeck | can I start? | 02:18 |
| === enrico salutes all the new members | ||
| enrico | hornbeck: sure, please | 02:18 |
| hornbeck | ok | 02:18 |
| hornbeck | I am setting up a svn server for the doc team | 02:19 |
| hornbeck | it will be active the beginning of next week and be hosted out of my home | 02:19 |
| hornbeck | I have not done much doc work because I have been learning how to set this all up :-) | 02:19 |
| hornbeck | I will be giving ssh accounts to certain doc members so if you would like to be on the list please contact me | 02:20 |
| asw | hornbeck svn? | 02:20 |
| enrico | asw: subversion | 02:20 |
| lulu | hornbeck: Rationale for setup? | 02:20 |
| hornbeck | lulu: Ubuntu dev's would not give us room to work on large files | 02:21 |
| === sparkes_x is back | ||
| hornbeck | so I bought a bigger line into the house and some static ip's | 02:21 |
| sparkes_x | how far down the agenda are we? | 02:21 |
| sivang | not started | 02:21 |
| sivang | :) | 02:21 |
| hornbeck | sparkes just started | 02:21 |
| enrico | asw: a version control system like CVS and Arch (if you ignore the authors of cvs, svn and arch telling you that they're all so extremely and fundamentally different ;) | 02:21 |
| sivang | you didn't miss a thing | 02:21 |
| sivang | :) | 02:21 |
| sparkes_x | cool | 02:21 |
| asw | um. I, personally, use GNU Arch. Canonical is also investing heavily in Arch (see Bazar). | 02:21 |
| hornbeck | if we do not like svn, we can try something else | 02:21 |
| lulu | hornbeck: i.e. working on books? who did you ask? | 02:22 |
| === ChrisH loves svn | ||
| enrico | lulu: mdz | 02:22 |
| sparkes_x | I love svn but arch sounds, errrm interesting | 02:22 |
| hornbeck | lulu: mdz | 02:22 |
| === plovs_work looks amazed at all the amart people | ||
| lulu | ok - right..... | 02:22 |
| sivang | I think we might altogether switch to Bazzar, might also help canonical in testing and patches | 02:22 |
| asw | See http://www.canonical.com/projects/ | 02:22 |
| lulu | sivang: that is what I'd like to suggest - Robert Collins would help you hornbeck | 02:22 |
| hornbeck | is that what everyone wants? | 02:23 |
| hornbeck | to use arch and bazar when it is ready? | 02:23 |
| sivang | plus it would make merging the repo into canonical, once this is approved by upranks | 02:23 |
| sparkes_x | RCollins help hornbeck with what? | 02:23 |
| === sparkes_x still catching up | ||
| sparkes_x | sivang, agreed | 02:23 |
| lulu | sparkes_x: getting bazaar set up | 02:23 |
| hornbeck | lulu: I was with the understanding that arch required more than one webserver | 02:24 |
| sparkes_x | lulu, ta, makes sence now | 02:24 |
| sivang | can we continue with agenda, and discuss technicalities at the end maybe? | 02:24 |
| enrico | sivang: I agree | 02:24 |
| lulu | hornbeck: ok - shall we say - Action point - contact Rob Collins re: requirements and present pros and cons of options to the team?? | 02:25 |
| enrico | Let's compress this in Hornbeck is working on setting up a VCS for the docteam to use for larger documents | 02:25 |
| hornbeck | enrico: yes | 02:25 |
| enrico | Enrico is happy to help hornbeck | 02:25 |
| sivang | Let have some more team memebers tell whay they are up into currently, so to finish status item :) | 02:25 |
| enrico | I can talk about me | 02:26 |
| sivang | ok, as we have several new people here that would be good they know who you are :) go ahead | 02:26 |
| enrico | I'm currently half-available, in Brasil for a conference | 02:26 |
| asw | lulu, hornbeck: I'm setting up Arch for my own project, please, use me as a resource as well. | 02:26 |
| enrico | I've been appointed at the documentation team secretary and I'm now working on setting up my position on this and to learn how to interact with Canonical | 02:27 |
| sivang | enrico is going to be the person to complain too :) | 02:27 |
| sivang | to | 02:27 |
| enrico | In the EnricoZini wiki page you can find a list of advertised services from the secretary :) | 02:28 |
| sivang | ok, I'll go next ? | 02:28 |
| enrico | I think that's it. Questions welcome anytime | 02:28 |
| plovs_work | i have been cleaning up the wiki, adding some icons and looking at the FrontPage | 02:29 |
| === sparkes_x needs to talk about icons later don't let me forget | ||
| === lulu Lulu is responsible for the Canonical and Ubuntu websites and making sure our Community's needs are met by the site and the wiki. Also - have been working with plovs on the APFrontPage | ||
| sivang | My name is Sivan Green, I started working on the wiki some time ago, and a list of my current activies can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocumentationTeamCurrentWork | 02:30 |
| enrico | lulu: do you mean that I've finally found the person to ask things for when I want to interact with Canonical? | 02:31 |
| sparkes_x | I am Steve Parkes and I am writing a different book based on the current upstream docs, cos I am a free software zealot too ;-) | 02:31 |
| lulu | enrico: fire away! - All - Please do not hesitate to be in touch and if I can help you I will. | 02:31 |
| === enrico hugs lulu | ||
| sivang | Currently paying special attention to new people who join us, as well as well as devising a more formal plan / page for that matter. | 02:32 |
| sivang | anyone else? | 02:33 |
| George^Deka | I am George Dekavalas, currently doing nothing been thinking about making the plunge into contributing back and tonight is just the start of it. | 02:33 |
| sparkes_x | nice one George^Deka ;-) welcome aboard | 02:33 |
| === ChrisH 's real name is Christoph Haas. I'm new to the devel side of Ubuntu. Sent an introduction to ubuntu-devel@ yesterday. I've been maintaining Debian projects like mentors.debian.net before and want to check if there is work for me here. :) | ||
| asw | I am Alexander (Sasha) Wait. Recently self-apointed free software zealot. Willing test-subject for community procedures and evangelist for the use of the Ubuntu O/S in science. I also run an ALife group in Boston and am the new maintainer of the REC.GAMES.COREWAR FAQ. | 02:33 |
| enrico | We should have an introduction of everyone now | 02:34 |
| lulu | what a team :o) | 02:34 |
| sivang | yes, I see some more people here, who hadn | 02:34 |
| sivang | n't introduced themselves, for sake of new comers I propose they do :) | 02:35 |
| enrico | Do people know of other active people who are not present here or written in the list? | 02:35 |
| hornbeck | Ben Edwards dropped out | 02:35 |
| sivang | what do you mean dropped out? | 02:35 |
| hornbeck | he is no longer on the doc team | 02:36 |
| lulu | Do you know why? | 02:36 |
| sivang | since when? | 02:36 |
| sivang | Was he mailing the list? | 02:36 |
| hornbeck | lulu: yes, but he asked me not to say | 02:36 |
| hornbeck | he was here first ,meeting and mailing list | 02:36 |
| lulu | hornbeck: oh dear. Sorry to hear that. Is there anything we can do to encourage his return? | 02:37 |
| hornbeck | lulu: I tried he said he was not interested in being a part anymore | 02:37 |
| plovs_work | i wrote to him, not for now he said | 02:37 |
| hornbeck | ok, lets try to speed up if we can :-) | 02:37 |
| === asw has another meeting. (Thought it was later.) I'll log and see you all later! | ||
| hornbeck | asw: farwell | 02:38 |
| sivang | bye asw | 02:38 |
| hornbeck | fairwell | 02:38 |
| lulu | cheers! | 02:38 |
| enrico | asw: bye | 02:38 |
| plovs_work | asw: see ya! | 02:38 |
| George^Deka | asw: cya | 02:38 |
| enrico | Let's move on. I was thinking about asking people a list of wiki pages they maintain, but it would take time. Could everyone just list them in their wiki homepages? | 02:39 |
| === plovs_work almost unnoticed looks at his watch 20 minutes left | ||
| lulu | enrico: tools we are currently using? | 02:39 |
| enrico | I know of Wiki and the upcoming version control system for large docs. And the mailing list. | 02:39 |
| hornbeck | enrico: agreed, those are the only ones right now | 02:40 |
| lulu | ok - have we got a final decision on the wiki markup language and for the website? | 02:40 |
| lulu | for the record? | 02:40 |
| enrico | We don't have a specific IRC channel, and I don't usually see IRC chats about the doc team: are there some happening? | 02:40 |
| sivang | lulu : I thought we would leave how it's now - everybody can choose whatever he likes | 02:41 |
| enrico | lulu: there was the idea of distinguishing between different stages of documents | 02:41 |
| hornbeck | irc is happening in -devel | 02:41 |
| hornbeck | lulu: I use ReST and moin | 02:41 |
| sivang | lulu : I've seen you can choose what format of markup to save | 02:41 |
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| enrico | hornbeck: thanks. For the records, there's a lot of traffic in -devel and I don't follow it, so if you see me in and need me, just say my name and I'll see a notice | 02:41 |
| hornbeck | enrico: I normally PM you | 02:42 |
| hornbeck | :-) | 02:42 |
| plovs_work | #ubuntu-doc would not be bad | 02:42 |
| hornbeck | agreed | 02:42 |
| lulu | ok - perhaps we should have one we recommend - so we can get consistency? | 02:42 |
| sivang | let's agree for #ubuntu-doc for all our docdevel discussions, it's been great in serving us till now | 02:43 |
| plovs_work | somebody has to find out about channelownership etc | 02:43 |
| George^Deka | well in terms of markup to use what do people consider the best to us, for someone who has not edited a wiki before (no tendencies to one or other) | 02:43 |
| enrico | [format] this idea that was around in the list was to use the easiest markup (Moin) for things everyone scraps on, since it has a very low barrier of entry. Then, if things evolve and need more structure and the people in the page want, it can be refactored in ReST | 02:43 |
| enrico | Then eventually it can become a DocBook work if it grows up even more and the team of people that work on it feel like | 02:43 |
| plovs_work | enrico, agreed, moin is easy but broken in zwiki, ReST is difficult but (more) complete | 02:43 |
| sparkes_x | enrico, the other parts of the site don't support moin so moving to /docs would require new markup | 02:43 |
| enrico | (from this recap I'm writing, I see a pattern emerging: "the people active on the page are the ones that decide" :) | 02:44 |
| sparkes_x | enrico, that seemst o be the case | 02:44 |
| sivang | I think we should be focusing on MoinMoin, really use the wiki is the scrap & sketch area. | 02:44 |
| lulu | I had never edited a wiki before joining Canonical - moinmoin was very easy to learn. an should be fully supported by the ZWiki now.... | 02:44 |
| sivang | offline, full fledged stable docs should be docbook | 02:45 |
| enrico | [wiki] we seem to have an agreement. | 02:45 |
| sparkes_x | sivang, agreed | 02:45 |
| enrico | Current wiki issues: | 02:45 |
| hornbeck | sivang: yes, docbook is a must offline | 02:45 |
| enrico | * speed (they're working on it, but nothing short term will happen) | 02:45 |
| enrico | * things lacking from Moin (I see TableOfContents often mentioned), is there other things? | 02:45 |
| sivang | so we've heared from lulu :-) thanks for your support though | 02:45 |
| enrico | sivang: yes, I was recapping lulu message: lulu, sorry for missing the attribution | 02:46 |
| enrico | * license of wiki contents | 02:46 |
| === plovs_work applauds docbook | ||
| hornbeck | sivang: I really like ReST on the wiki | 02:46 |
| sivang | GPL! GPL! GPL! :) | 02:46 |
| sparkes_x | enrico, gpl | 02:46 |
| === ChrisH doubts a little that Wiki is really useful for more complex documents | ||
| hornbeck | gpl | 02:47 |
| sparkes_x | gpl is the best option for upstream | 02:47 |
| === sivang agrees with ChrisH | ||
| === enrico is for GPL as well | ||
| hornbeck | ChrisH agreed | 02:47 |
| sparkes_x | ChrisH, true | 02:47 |
| === ChrisH raises his hand for Docbook-XML | ||
| sparkes_x | ChrisH, seconded ;-) | 02:47 |
| hornbeck | docbook is for offline docs | 02:48 |
| hornbeck | we have agreed on that | 02:48 |
| enrico | lulu: jdub told me there was some offline discussion about wiki content license, but I never heard of outcomes | 02:48 |
| === plovs_work agrees | ||
| ChrisH | hornbeck: It can be easily used to create online docs, too. | 02:48 |
| === sivang agrees with ChrisH | ||
| hornbeck | ChrisH please send a link | 02:48 |
| enrico | lulu: I tried asking twice in the warthogs list but I got no answer | 02:48 |
| sparkes_x | ChrisH, don't offend the wiki fans ;-) | 02:48 |
| lulu | enrico: Not sure of that myself - I am willing to find out - put e down for that action point. | 02:48 |
| enrico | lulu: do you know of anything? | 02:48 |
| === hornbeck is not really a wiki fan | ||
| lulu | and I'll get back to you all | 02:48 |
| enrico | lulu: ok. Here we have an agreement on GPL | 02:48 |
| lulu | enrico: ok | 02:49 |
| enrico | lulu: if it's ok for them as well, we can proceed and put an explicit notice in the wiki | 02:49 |
| George^Deka | I am sure i read somewhere that someone had an issue on using the GPL for docs, but im fine with it | 02:49 |
| ChrisH | hornbeck: http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/ and http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html/ | 02:49 |
| lulu | enrico: I'd like to have a word with SABDFL on that issue ok? | 02:49 |
| === ChrisH can help with providing Docbook-XML templates and Makefiles | ||
| hornbeck | ChrisH: thank you | 02:49 |
| enrico | It's important that there are no licensing issues in the wiki, or it would be a big problem when taking things from there into bigger doucments | 02:49 |
| sivang | George^Deka : that was for GFDL | 02:50 |
| enrico | lulu: ok. I tried already to talk with sabdfl about it, but with little success. I hope you're more lucky | 02:50 |
| enrico | We're getting to the end of the wiki discussion. Someone has some missing feature to report? | 02:50 |
| lulu | enrico: let's put a wiki page up of what the argument is and concerns raised and I will get a decision ok!? | 02:50 |
| sparkes_x | we also need to take into account some parts of the wiki may be imported from elsewhere and have different licences | 02:51 |
| George^Deka | sivang: maybe but could have sworn there was also an issue with GPL, because i knew there was the issues with GFDL (non-DFSG) | 02:51 |
| enrico | lulu: ok. my original mail on warthogs can be used as base contents for the page | 02:51 |
| lulu | sparkes_x: exactly. | 02:51 |
| sivang | George^Deka : would you like to investiage and tell me your conclusions? this might be interesting. | 02:51 |
| enrico | lulu: I can take care of creating the page | 02:51 |
| lulu | enrico: good. Time is running short - let's move on. | 02:52 |
| sivang | what page are we talking about? | 02:52 |
| enrico | sivang: a recap on the licensing issue | 02:52 |
| sivang | ok | 02:52 |
| George^Deka | i will try, now trying to remeber where i saw it (me thinks it was ubuntu related or debian weekly news) | 02:52 |
| enrico | Next point is: how to approach new members | 02:52 |
| === enrico hugs new members | ||
| sivang | yes | 02:52 |
| === sivang hugs them also | ||
| sivang | :) | 02:52 |
| lulu | sivang: is there an ETA for a draft of the Initiation process so we can contribute wehn it's up there? | 02:53 |
| George^Deka | well as far as i can tell as being new for like 8 hours now, having people actually respond to your emails of help helps | 02:53 |
| sivang | lulu : I will have one by tommorow | 02:53 |
| lulu | sivang: awesome! | 02:53 |
| sivang | I would like to see we streamline the way we approach our new comers, | 02:54 |
| George^Deka | i have had the issue with moz that they are all two busy to get back to you on if they want your help or not | 02:54 |
| hornbeck | George same with mono-doc | 02:54 |
| hornbeck | noone wants to help you | 02:54 |
| sivang | together with a planned new comers TODO list, learning resources etc. | 02:54 |
| enrico | I propose to have a DocTeam Dogma | 02:54 |
| enrico | 1) All help mails should be answered | 02:54 |
| George^Deka | lulu: brillant - can you mail the link cause i might forget otherwise - good place for me to learn | 02:54 |
| sivang | bottom line, when someone approaches us and says "I wanna help" | 02:55 |
| sivang | he should be able to do so in matter of days, no better ! in matter of hours...:) | 02:55 |
| enrico | 2) RTFM is not an answer, unless it's nicely put and with a working link to the documentation | 02:55 |
| lulu | George^Deka: which link? | 02:55 |
| === sivang HAILS enrico | ||
| hornbeck | I am sorry everyone for my RTFM reply | 02:55 |
| George^Deka | lulu: initiation process | 02:55 |
| enrico | hornbeck: Don't worry: it happens | 02:55 |
| enrico | hornbeck: there are habits we all carry from other communities | 02:56 |
| sivang | no it's ok, We love you John Hornbeck :) | 02:56 |
| === lulu points to sivang! | ||
| sladen | hornbeck: ''do this and this and this. A more detailed overview can be found at <link>'' | 02:56 |
| hornbeck | yes, I know | 02:56 |
| lulu | sivang: could u let the list know where the initiation doc is once it's up there? | 02:56 |
| sivang | I would like us to see take up on the spirit of #gnome-love | 02:56 |
| sivang | lulu : ofcourse, | 02:56 |
| sivang | I would send the link to ML | 02:56 |
| George^Deka | enrico: RTFM ? | 02:57 |
| hornbeck | read the f**ing manual | 02:57 |
| enrico | George^Deka: Read The Fine Manual | 02:57 |
| hornbeck | enrico is being nice | 02:57 |
| enrico | hornbeck: it's an acronym which has two expansions: one for the writer and one for the reader :) | 02:57 |
| George^Deka | i should have known - it is 1am here | 02:57 |
| enrico | About always responding to help messages, we have a deadlock problem | 02:58 |
| enrico | Many help request don't get answered because everyone thinks someone else will answer | 02:58 |
| hornbeck | everyone should answer if they see it first | 02:58 |
| hornbeck | if you see it reply | 02:58 |
| sivang | yes that is important | 02:58 |
| sivang | so new people wouldn't get the feeling it | 02:59 |
| sivang | no alie | 02:59 |
| sivang | alive | 02:59 |
| lulu | enrico: good point to have one person who is ultimately responsible? - sivang - do you want to answer these? | 02:59 |
| enrico | hornbeck: good. third dogma | 02:59 |
| sivang | (i can't type today, or anyday) | 02:59 |
| enrico | 3) If you see it, reply | 02:59 |
| George^Deka | As far as i am concerned the more replies the better, it makes you feel really wanted and that people are there to help you out. | 02:59 |
| sivang | lulu : I will | 02:59 |
| plovs_work | new people should go to the mailing-list or #ubuntu-doc | 02:59 |
| enrico | George^Deka: very good point! | 02:59 |
| plovs_work | we should be nice and then point them there | 03:00 |
| enrico | George^Deka: usually one thinks duplicate replies should be avoided because they generate unnecessary traffic, but this is an artefact from when we had 9.6Kbps modems. We should get past it! | 03:00 |
| George^Deka | one issue i did have today was there is no link from ubuntu mail-list page to the -doc ML - had to find it in a post from -users | 03:00 |
| sladen | plovs_work: would inviting people to #ubuntu-help be more useful than clouding your documentation-discussion channel? | 03:00 |
| === enrico thanks George^Deka for enlightening him | ||
| enrico | Dogma 4 | 03:00 |
| lulu | George^Deka: yes - but we need to have someone ultimately responsible. | 03:00 |
| enrico | 4) Don't worry about duplicate replies | 03:01 |
| George^Deka | enrico: well thats what newbies are for | 03:01 |
| lulu | I am responsible for answering the info and webmaster emails and that has been a comment from most people - we always get back to people and it's a highlight for us - I think it's very important to be a responsive distro. | 03:01 |
| plovs_work | sladen, if they want help with doc-stuff they are welcome, not for general help | 03:01 |
| sladen | plovs_work: nod, sorry, missed that bit | 03:01 |
| George^Deka | lulu: but it took me a while to get to it so i could even join, if i wasn't persitant enough to find the archives i would have not been here tonight cause i didnt know it was happening | 03:01 |
| enrico | George^Deka: please if you see | 03:02 |
| plovs_work | we need one person who is responsible for those kind of things, helping newbies, newbie-docs etc | 03:02 |
| enrico | George^Deka: please if you see other issues like that, write a mail to the list: you're raising very valuable issues we were not able to see | 03:02 |
| enrico | plovs_work: sivan offered, if I'm not mistaken | 03:03 |
| George^Deka | enrico: sure will thought i would bring it here if i could anyway, another issue i had to guess it was on freenode | 03:03 |
| sivang | I think having a dedicated person for this task would be great, I am willing to voulenteer for that, but even so having other community memebers responsible for that would make a nice redundency in case I can't make it once in a while. | 03:03 |
| plovs_work | enrico, thanks | 03:03 |
| lulu | George^Deka: good point and sivan: thanks - I think that's a good call. | 03:03 |
| enrico | sivang: yes, there could be a welcome team | 03:03 |
| plovs_work | sivang, you'll do fine | 03:03 |
| enrico | I'm happy to be in the welcome team | 03:04 |
| enrico | Welcome team: sivang, enrico | 03:04 |
| sivang | great | 03:04 |
| lulu | done! What's next? | 03:04 |
| enrico | Next point: offline documentation | 03:04 |
| hornbeck | yes, I was about to type that | 03:04 |
| enrico | Do we agree on docbook? Yes. | 03:04 |
| enrico | Next point: | 03:04 |
| hornbeck | yes | 03:05 |
| enrico | :) | 03:05 |
| hornbeck | we HAVE to start writing this stuff | 03:05 |
| hornbeck | and decideing what is being brought over from debian | 03:05 |
| hornbeck | and gnome | 03:05 |
| sivang | I would like to see one goal we set up - | 03:05 |
| enrico | Conversion strategies between different formats: should we discuss it now or just tackle it when the problem shows up? | 03:05 |
| enrico | I propose to use the ancient philosophy "first get to do it, then document it, then automate it" | 03:06 |
| sivang | I am ok with postponing it for when the problem shows up | 03:06 |
| George^Deka | or leave it to next meeting | 03:06 |
| sivang | yes it would be wise :) I wonder what brought me to put it htere in the first place... | 03:06 |
| === sivang ducks | ||
| enrico | Next point, then | 03:06 |
| enrico | License (again) | 03:06 |
| sivang | GPL! GPL! GPL! :) | 03:06 |
| enrico | I would #include <what said before> | 03:06 |
| hornbeck | are we going to fix debian docs? | 03:07 |
| hornbeck | I am now on the debian-doc list and they are very outdated | 03:07 |
| enrico | Do we need licensing differences between wiki and docbook documents? | 03:07 |
| sivang | I don't think so | 03:07 |
| lulu | hornbeck: and make them ubuntu-docs? | 03:07 |
| plovs_work | we need a page, stating what docbook docs we need, i for one have no idea | 03:07 |
| hornbeck | lulu: yes | 03:07 |
| lulu | hornbeck: I like your thinking :o) | 03:07 |
| hornbeck | I really would like to see alot of offline stuff for hoary | 03:08 |
| hornbeck | I like the wiki but it is not a solid doc base | 03:08 |
| sivang | I would like to raise up one goal for hoary, to pollish up already exisitng docs and especilly improving GNOME docs to include Ubuntu's quircks and differences from stock | 03:08 |
| === sparkes_x notices synagy at work when someone quotes http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronunciation/ in a mailing list message just as sladen was offering advice in here ;-) | ||
| lulu | sivang: add it to the wiki under HoaryHedgehog | 03:08 |
| George^Deka | I was thinking about it today, we need the wiki offline so it can just be used as help, with all the FAQ's etc i have been seeing around | 03:08 |
| hornbeck | gnome2-user-doc will be the first thing in the new server | 03:09 |
| === sparkes_x I am fixing debian docs | ||
| sivang | lulu : ok, I will | 03:09 |
| George^Deka | So it might be a case of converting it (wiki) to docbook | 03:09 |
| enrico | If we get really good, we could do like de devels do with code: make patches and apply them to future versions of documents | 03:09 |
| sivang | this is what I have in mind | 03:09 |
| sparkes_x | wtf I thought I was the only person who cared about debian-docs ;-) | 03:09 |
| enrico | But we can thing about that when we get really good | 03:09 |
| lulu | George^Deka: we have a Help Centre in Plone, called Documentation, where we are hoping all FAQs, HowTos and books will sit. | 03:10 |
| hornbeck | enrico: I have already begun talking to debian-doc guys about how I submit patches | 03:10 |
| sivang | lulu : I would like also to have some of it compiled and to be installed in an ubuntusystem out the box, and be browseable through yelp | 03:10 |
| George^Deka | lulu: granted, i still havent kicked debian and kde off this box yet. It will happen soon though | 03:10 |
| sivang | lulu : that is the markup that is used for that section on the main site? | 03:11 |
| enrico | hornbeck: cool!! | 03:11 |
| lulu | sivang: we have a mix of html and structured text currently | 03:11 |
| enrico | hornbeck: you mean we could team up with debian doc guys? That would be AWESOME! (or OUTSTANDING for the brits) | 03:11 |
| sparkes_x | you lot are taking the piss now ;-) when I suggested debian docs everyone barfed | 03:11 |
| lulu | sivang: I think structured text is easier for most pepes and will need help converting all pages to it. | 03:11 |
| === sivang finally starts to see that his wish to feed debian back comes to a reality | ||
| hornbeck | enrico: I posted to their list about helping, they were very happy to have me | 03:11 |
| hornbeck | sparkes_x: You are not sexy like me so noone listens :-p | 03:12 |
| enrico | hornbeck: you made by day! | 03:12 |
| sivang | ChrisH : now here a team of debian who accepts new blood :) | 03:12 |
| enrico | hornbeck: you made my day! | 03:12 |
| sparkes_x | bollocks to this | 03:12 |
| sparkes_x | you lot say one thing and mean another | 03:12 |
| sparkes_x | we argued about debian docs for a week and everyone was against the idea | 03:13 |
| hornbeck | sparkes: I hope you are joking | 03:13 |
| enrico | sparkes_x: I wasn't | 03:13 |
| sparkes_x | and now everyone is for the idea | 03:13 |
| sparkes_x | enrico, true | 03:13 |
| sivang | lulu : yelp eats DocBook XML, so I guess we might use the conversion script and see what results we can have in yelp | 03:13 |
| sparkes_x | but everyone else (mostly) was | 03:13 |
| hornbeck | I don't remember being against debian-docs | 03:13 |
| hornbeck | I may have been | 03:13 |
| hornbeck | who knows | 03:13 |
| sivang | I surely wasn't against it | 03:13 |
| sparkes_x | hornbeck, you where ;-) | 03:13 |
| hornbeck | well you made me see the light :-) | 03:14 |
| sivang | well, it's all evident on the mailing list archive | 03:14 |
| sivang | if anyone cares to proove that, but we're not debian kiddies are we? | 03:14 |
| sivang | :) | 03:14 |
| lulu | sivang: ok - good. I am looking into Plone ATContentTypes and lingua plone for the site so we can deal with translations - it's going to be a little while tho to get that done. | 03:14 |
| hornbeck | I am against most things till someone tells me why it is a good idea | 03:14 |
| sparkes_x | hornbeck, debian is always a good idea ;-) | 03:14 |
| sivang | hornbeck : I also talked you into it :) | 03:14 |
| ChrisH | sivang: sorry, I missed a few lines (coworker interruption). I just read that we agree on Docbook. :) | 03:14 |
| sivang | ChrisH : I think we do | 03:15 |
| hornbeck | sivang, sparkes, enrico: all of you talked me into it | 03:15 |
| hornbeck | ChrisH: yes | 03:15 |
| enrico | Ok, I guess we're all happy that we all agree and we don't want to fight just because we do agree, isn't it? :) | 03:15 |
| sivang | hahhaha | 03:15 |
| sivang | yes | 03:15 |
| hornbeck | no I just like to fight | 03:15 |
| === sivang thanks for enrico | ||
| sivang | hornbeck, I suggest you put up a wiki page "Who wants to fight with me" and see what you can get :) | 03:15 |
| enrico | People who like to fight meet at 15:00 UTC in #ubuntu-arena :) | 03:15 |
| ChrisH | lol | 03:15 |
| George^Deka | lol | 03:16 |
| hornbeck | so it is agreed, we will work on converting debian-docs, and send any fixes back to debian | 03:16 |
| sivang | yeah! | 03:16 |
| enrico | Let's move on: Hoary milestone strategy | 03:16 |
| sivang | yes | 03:16 |
| sivang | Ok, First thing is to get some pollishing for documentation Hoary is already carrying | 03:16 |
| hornbeck | Hoary milestone for me is, get alot of docs | 03:16 |
| sivang | for instance, MAN pages | 03:16 |
| sivang | isntalled HTML documents | 03:16 |
| sivang | GNOME documentation | 03:17 |
| === hornbeck vomits: I hate man pages | ||
| sivang | info pages etc etc. | 03:17 |
| sparkes_x | man pages are part of the deb | 03:17 |
| enrico | hornbeck: you can write man pages in docbook! :) | 03:17 |
| enrico | hornbeck: apt-get install docbook-to-man | 03:17 |
| hornbeck | I still hate man pages | 03:17 |
| hornbeck | they are ugly, and very criptic | 03:17 |
| sivang | this might very well benefit other communities we are basin on, debian is one example. | 03:17 |
| hornbeck | written by those smart people for smart people | 03:18 |
| plovs_work | hornbeck, you should read openbsd man-pages, they are actually nice | 03:18 |
| ChrisH | Sorry to get back a step. Which debian docs are supposed to be converted to docbook? Most of them are already in docbook format IIRC. | 03:18 |
| sivang | plovs_work : BSD was my other exmaple :) | 03:18 |
| George^Deka | well on my old deb system man was the only place i knew to turn other than readme | 03:18 |
| hornbeck | ChrisH: convert debian docs to Ubuntu docs | 03:18 |
| ChrisH | hornbeck: s/Debian/Ubuntu/ ? :) | 03:18 |
| sparkes_x | ChrisH, they need to go from sgml to xml and then we start adding ubuntu isms to them | 03:18 |
| sivang | make them Ubuntish | 03:18 |
| sparkes_x | at least that was my fucking plan all along | 03:18 |
| ChrisH | sparkes_x: ic | 03:18 |
| sivang | sparkes_x : I am warning you for bad language :) | 03:19 |
| hornbeck | sparkes_x: you are a angry little man | 03:19 |
| sivang | watch it, hornbeck, enrico help!! :)) | 03:19 |
| === enrico is lost | ||
| sparkes_x | I resign from my post on the doc team, too many people argueing a lost cause and then changing their position | 03:19 |
| sladen | sparkes_x: ;-) | 03:19 |
| sparkes_x | so bye bye and enjoy the doc team without me | 03:19 |
| hornbeck | what? | 03:20 |
| === enrico is lost and bewildered | ||
| === hornbeck is also | ||
| === sivang just hides from the splinters | ||
| === George^Deka too | ||
| enrico | Ehi, people, cool down. | 03:20 |
| === sparkes_x [~sparkes@host217-42-166-29.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] | ||
| hornbeck | hmmm | 03:20 |
| sladen | sparkes_x: oops, I was replying to your previous comment then... | 03:20 |
| hornbeck | if that was my fault I am sorry | 03:20 |
| === lulu omigosh he was serious? | ||
| === ChrisH is lost | ||
| sparkes | hornbeck: no worries see you later | 03:20 |
| hornbeck | I thought he was joking | 03:20 |
| === sparkes [sparkes@linuxops.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] | ||
| enrico | ? | 03:21 |
| === enrico didn't understand what happened | ||
| === ChrisH neither | ||
| enrico | I propose we move on at talk with sparkes later | 03:22 |
| ChrisH | Someone please press F1. | 03:22 |
| George^Deka | ChrisH: i did | 03:22 |
| enrico | We were on Hoary milestones | 03:23 |
| lulu | enrico: that's a good idea - mediation is needed :o) | 03:23 |
| plovs_work | enrico, can we have a DocteamHoaryMileston page? | 03:23 |
| enrico | I don't know how many milestones we can setup now, though | 03:23 |
| plovs_work | make a pgae with priorities | 03:23 |
| hornbeck | the Ubuntu book is a huge milestone | 03:23 |
| sivang | enrico : agreed. I got a headache | 03:23 |
| George^Deka | well looking at the hoarygoals page today i noticed under the targets of opportunity there seems to be a bit of stuff doc related the devs want, some of it even says bounty next to it | 03:24 |
| plovs_work | hornbeck, and only, what, 4 months left | 03:24 |
| enrico | I propose we get going writing the documentation we like to write, then reschedule a milestone meeting in a month or so | 03:24 |
| enrico | plovs_work: 4 months? Uhm... then in a couple of weeks | 03:24 |
| hornbeck | enrico: agreed | 03:24 |
| === sivang agrees with enrico | ||
| enrico | Next point: Start working | 03:24 |
| plovs_work | enrico, why don't you make a proposal, you are good at those | 03:25 |
| lulu | sivang was going to put up a page in HoaryHedgehog - let's get our goals on there and prioritise what we need to get done for Hoary. | 03:25 |
| enrico | plovs_work: you mean, for Hoary milestones? Ok. I can work on something | 03:25 |
| George^Deka | do we know what the devs/cannonical want in the way of docs for hoary | 03:26 |
| enrico | George^Deka: one problem with the devs is that they're goign to stabilize the feature list quite late | 03:27 |
| sivang | yes, it would be nice to get an idea what they might require, before we set off to do docs of our own when big parts of already shipped software needs documented. | 03:27 |
| lulu | George^Deka: Can u ask on the dev list as our representative? point them to the doc page in hoaryhedgehog and they can help prioritise and add what they tyhink is needed. | 03:28 |
| George^Deka | enrico: true but some docs they might wish may not be so easy - especially if alot of it is from scratch | 03:28 |
| hornbeck | enrico: saunm, complains of that alot | 03:28 |
| hornbeck | shaunm | 03:28 |
| lulu | George^Deka: and then the doc team can say what is possible to meet the Hoary deadline? | 03:29 |
| George^Deka | lulu: sure ill do that, better join the list then - enrico just make sure you summarize what im doing its 1:30am here now | 03:29 |
| enrico | George^Deka: summarize what you're doing? | 03:29 |
| lulu | enrico: if we can have minutes of the meeting with action points, deadline and who is responsible on the wiki - that would be awesome. | 03:30 |
| enrico | lulu: sure: it's my job to make a resume of this meeting | 03:30 |
| sivang | enrico : and please do remind me all of the things I promised to do today, so I won't forget? :) | 03:30 |
| George^Deka | enrico: lulu sumed it up for me | 03:30 |
| enrico | I'm now a bit slow in answering because I have a very loud brasilian television set right next to me | 03:30 |
| enrico | sivang: sure | 03:31 |
| sivang | enrico : after all, this is the secretary cow speaking :) | 03:31 |
| enrico | Uhm... di we still have things to discuss? | 03:32 |
| lulu | yes! | 03:32 |
| enrico | The "Start working" issue? | 03:32 |
| === enrico hates loud television sets | ||
| enrico | Unfortunately, it's not my house | 03:32 |
| lulu | guys - FrontPage - plovs has worked hard on this - we've pretty much incorporated the old front page into APFrontPage. | 03:32 |
| hornbeck | I say APFrontPage be moved up | 03:33 |
| lulu | can all check it and approve/advise on changes so we can make it the Canonical FronPage? :o) | 03:33 |
| lulu | FrontPage that is! | 03:33 |
| sivang | Would it be ok to agree now on the front page and them make modifications / comments ? | 03:33 |
| sivang | lulu : you mena this is going to be the new wiki frontpage ? | 03:34 |
| hornbeck | it looks great to me | 03:34 |
| lulu | sivang: yup! that's the plan - as a good starting point...... | 03:34 |
| hornbeck | good job plovs, lulu | 03:35 |
| === enrico suggest a note abuot the license to be added as soon as it's agreed | ||
| === lulu aye to making it the FrontPage....anyone second? | ||
| enrico | Fine for me | 03:35 |
| === sivang nods | ||
| sivang | and tanks AP for the good work | 03:35 |
| lulu | enrico: yes indeedy | 03:36 |
| enrico | Ok, last point is start working | 03:36 |
| lulu | plovs_work: ping! | 03:36 |
| plovs_work | lulu, :-) | 03:36 |
| lulu | plovs_work: we just wanted to say thanks for your hard work and we can make the page the new FrontPage! | 03:37 |
| sivang | Maybe a milestone for hoary plan was too harsh, | 03:37 |
| sivang | what about discussing close goals? | 03:37 |
| hornbeck | I thought we would meet again about hoary goals? | 03:38 |
| lulu | sivang: we have a To Do list on the wiki - close goals should go on there - Hoary can go on there - perhaps we need to make this a table with person responsible and deadline dates. - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WikiToDo | 03:39 |
| enrico | hornbeck: yes. | 03:39 |
| sivang | ok | 03:39 |
| === sivang rests | ||
| enrico | I'd say let's have some minutes for people to post items not in agenda, then close the meeting. | 03:39 |
| hornbeck | Well I will be compiling the book into its order of the next couple weeks and calling on people to help in areas | 03:39 |
| hornbeck | I will also start looking at debian docs that could help us and updating them to current | 03:40 |
| sivang | is anybody keen to take up some work on pollishing documentation that already ships with Ubuntu? | 03:41 |
| enrico | sivang: That can do together with the Debian teem | 03:41 |
| George^Deka | well i may have a try at a fx doc as i mentioned on mailing list. But what else needs doing cause i dont have any doc work yet | 03:42 |
| enrico | adding/fixing manpages and other doucmentation inside packages | 03:42 |
| sivang | ok, and what about gnome-user-docs ? | 03:42 |
| sivang | this is more than merely the user manual | 03:43 |
| lulu | do you have a WartyWarthogDoc page where all the tasks are listed - what docs need work? then people can methodically go through them and take responsibility for what they are keen to do? | 03:44 |
| sivang | lulu : good idea :) | 03:44 |
| === lulu wasn't sure who to direct that to! | ||
| sivang | lulu : I had something similar on the /UDP pages, | 03:44 |
| sivang | lulu : I will break things down and try put them in the relavent places for HOary | 03:45 |
| sivang | I might need some help with that , though | 03:45 |
| lulu | sivang: great - then each release can have it's goals set out by the doc team and the dev team can collaborate with doc team on it. | 03:45 |
| sivang | yes | 03:45 |
| sivang | enrico : what do you think? | 03:45 |
| hornbeck | lulu: great idea | 03:45 |
| lulu | great! guys I have to go in 5 - are we almost done? | 03:46 |
| sivang | seems so | 03:47 |
| hornbeck | same, here: work is calling | 03:47 |
| sivang | enrico ? | 03:47 |
| enrico | sure | 03:47 |
| lulu | enrico: thanks very much! | 03:47 |
| enrico | I declare the meeting finished, then. I will post the summary in the ubuntu-doc list as soon as I have it | 03:47 |
| enrico | The Holy Cow moos | 03:47 |
| hornbeck | enrico: thanks | 03:47 |
| hornbeck | thanks everyone, great meeting | 03:48 |
| lulu | :o) thanks all! Great to meet u guys. | 03:48 |
| plovs_work | ok, thanks all! | 03:48 |
| George^Deka | now its time for bed :P | 03:48 |
| sivang | thank you everybody | 03:48 |
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| sivang | night George^Deka | 03:48 |
| sivang | lamont_r : we have just ajorned | 03:48 |
| sivang | :) | 03:48 |
| enrico | Thanks everyone for attending, look forward to the oncoming work! | 03:49 |
| lamont_r | sivang: 's ok. | 03:49 |
| hornbeck | well I am off to work | 03:50 |
| hornbeck | goodbye for now | 03:50 |
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| plovs_work | see you all in #ubuntu-doc ! | 03:51 |
| lulu | enrico: will u talk to sparkes asap? it would be a shame to have him go | 03:51 |
| enrico | lulu: yes, I'll see what I can do | 03:51 |
| George^Deka | did you see his resignation mail | 03:51 |
| ChrisH | lulu: he has already posted on -doc. :( | 03:51 |
| enrico | oh | 03:51 |
| ChrisH | I wasn't sure whether it was a joke. Obviously he was serious about it. | 03:52 |
| lulu | ChrisH: oh dear - he must've been very cheesed off.... | 03:52 |
| sivang | yes | 03:52 |
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| sivang | I reckon he didn't take so good the jokes me and horbeck made on account of the debian works | 03:53 |
| sivang | I mean, he eventually said it was due to lack of time | 03:53 |
| sivang | but.. | 03:53 |
| sivang | I just dind't understand why he said "everybody" where against his plans, I never said something against working up debiand docs | 03:55 |
| ChrisH | Is he the "interface person" regarding the interchange of documentation between Debian and Ubuntu? | 03:55 |
| sivang | I think that is George^Deka | 03:56 |
| plovs_work | ChrisH, enrico is the interface, most of the time | 03:57 |
| sivang | if I recall right the backlog | 03:57 |
| sivang | at least he said he voulneteers for that | 03:57 |
| plovs_work | that is right | 03:58 |
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| plovs_work | so guys, maybe you can start looking at the FrontPage, and flame away (in the mailinglist) | 04:02 |
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