[12:00] <mirak_> |trey|, kk....thnx
[12:00] <|trey|> mirak, other useful dpkg commands = dpkg -l [pkg]  - list packages info... dpkg -L pkg - lists files installed by package...
[12:01] <aswells> How can I install xfree86 mesa and xfree86 mesa devel ?
[12:01] <|trey|> asubedi, mesa out to be there by default
[12:01] <mirak_> |trey|, thnx...ill eventually learn em ......
[12:01] <topyli> |trey|: i just use wajig these days, don't remember much of dpkg and apg juju :)
[12:01] <tweaked> hey i have one question: everytime i try and format my harddrive it says /dev/hdb1: Invalid argument passed to ext2 library while setting up superblock
[12:01] <topyli> s/apg/apt
[12:01] <|trey|> aswells: xlibmesa-dev is the dev package...
[12:02] <aswells> thanx
[12:02] <|trey|> topyli, never heard of it   :(
[12:02] <tweaked> any ideas on what is causing that
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: that sounds quite bad
[12:03] <epod> Ok, Ubuntu automounts SD Cards automatically, but for some reason it's not automounting my USB hard disk
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: how are you formatting it
[12:03] <|trey|> tweaked, ls /dev/hdb*
[12:03] <epod> The drive is there, /dev/sdc1, but it's not popping up on my desktop
[12:03] <|trey|> tweaked, it exists?
[12:03] <topyli> |trey|: it's well worth finding out about. apt, update-alternatives, /etc/init.d/xxx start/stop etc. behind one sudo'ed command
[12:03] <epod> does anyone know how I can fix that?
[12:03] <tweaked> yes it does
[12:03] <tweaked> it is there
[12:03] <blackdog> hi, when is hoary to be released?
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> epod: does it show up in lsusb/ dmesg ?
[12:04] <tweaked> |trey|: it is there
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> blackdog: april
[12:04] <blackdog> HrdwrBoB, thx
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> holy crap
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> :/
[12:04] <|trey|> blackdog, when all RC bugs are squashed and the feature set meets the goals of the devs
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> I also get married in april
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> it's rapidly approaching
[12:04] <spiv> blackdog: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[12:04] <blackdog> ah, ok
[12:04] <mirak_> hrdwrbob, congratz!!
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> what spiv said
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> mirak_: thanks :)
[12:04] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, I'd be planning my escape route by now  ;)
[12:04] <tweaked> it is there
[12:04] <mirak_> lol
[12:04] <epod> HrdwrBoB, yep
[12:05] <stuNNed> what is good ntfs line in fstab for normal user to mount?
[12:05] <GnuHippy> pclcomp.c: In function `free_mem':
[12:05] <GnuHippy> pclcomp.c:2969: warning: `return' with no value, in function returning non-void
[12:05] <GnuHippy> pclcomp.c:2971: warning: implicit declaration of function `free'
[12:05] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, congrats though  :)
[12:05] <GnuHippy> errr
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> heh thanks
[12:05] <epod> HrdwrBoB, scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
[12:05] <epod>   Vendor: Maxtor 6  Model: E040L0            Rev:  0 0
[12:05] <tweaked> any ideas
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> I have planned many escape routes
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> epod: well, you can mount it manually
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> epod: the automount usb devices isn't 100%
[12:05] <epod> HrdwrBoB, yep, but I want it to automount like my SD cards do
[12:05] <epod> oh
[12:05] <epod> so there's no way to make it automount?
[12:06] <HrdwrBoB> is it a single partition?
[12:06] <epod> it's a single NTFS partition
[12:06] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, haha.. yeah, marriage is a big decision *nods*
[12:06] <HrdwrBoB> epod: oh, ntfs
[12:06] <HrdwrBoB> hrm
[12:06] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, my ex proposed... haven't talked to her since  :o
[12:06] <billytwowilly> how do I fix this: line:2: fatal: cannot open file `/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/build/include/linux/version.h' for reading (No such file or directory)
[12:06] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: to format it i am using mkfs ext3 /dev/hdb1
[12:06] <mirak_> |trey|, because of that?.................haha
[12:07] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: LOL
[12:07] <mirak> |trey|: I am not mirak_
[12:07] <mirak> mirak_ plz change your nick
[12:07] <|trey|> mirak_, haha... yup... I'm am WAY too young to be married... and she was younger... I was just having fun... I guess it was more serious to her  :/
[12:07] <mirak> that's a total mess
[12:07] <Hikaru79> Is there a Ubuntu usenet newsgroup? Or at least a debian newsgroup?
[12:07] <epod> HrdwrBoB, if I make it ext3 do you think it will automount?
[12:07] <GnuHippy> has anybody tried to compile x.org?
[12:07] <GnuHippy> ??
[12:07] <HrdwrBoB> epod: it's a lot more likley
[12:08] <Striss> not I
[12:08] <MFen> from an avowed windows lover:
[12:08] <MFen> (15:05:17) AT: ok so Ubuntu is now my linux hero
[12:08] <MFen> (15:05:20) AT: I love Ubuntu
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> if you can reformat it
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> epod: realistically fat32 would be best
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> because then it's compatible with more OSes
[12:08] <|trey|> GnuHippy, it will be in Hoary probably this weekend, you can't live with Xfree for a few more days?  ;)
[12:08] <Matt|> oooh
[12:08] <Matt|> this weekend?
[12:08] <|trey|> Matt|, thats what I was told, yes  :)
[12:08] <spiv> MFen: :)
[12:08] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: can you help me?
[12:08] <Matt|> estimated time before it works ok?
[12:08] <MFen> spiv: that was our tester
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: I'm not sure what's wrong tbh
[12:09] <epod> HrdwrBoB, good point, can I format a disk as fat32 from Linux? :)
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: there's nothing wrong with the device?
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> epod: yes you can :D
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> mkfs.vfat
[12:09] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: tbh?
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> to be honesty
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> to be honest
[12:09] <MFen> spiv: she loves windows. but she loves even more that our product installs with no tweaking and no extra packages needed on ubuntu :-)
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: that's certainly an odd error
[12:09] <traviss>  libgnutls11-dev: Depends: libgnutls11 (= 1.0.16-9) but it is not installable <-- why am i getting that
[12:09] <epod> HrdwrBoB, awesome.  I just have to back up the data to my hard disk first.
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: have you apt-get dist-upgraded lately ?
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> epod: cool
[12:09] <GnuHippy> |trey| xfree is so fugly ;)
[12:09] <spiv> MFen: Sweet :)
[12:09] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: well what i am trying to do is mount a slave drive, yes
[12:10] <GnuHippy> I want soft shadows
[12:10] <GnuHippy> ;)
[12:10] <|trey|> traviss, apt-get install libgnutls11 and see what it says  :)
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> MFen: yeah, I installed ubuntu on my fiance's PC after I upgraded the kernel and stuff just broke
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> I have been wanting to isntall it for ages now :)
[12:10] <epod> HrdwrBoB, ok, I sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sdc1 /mnt and now it's mounted, but I don't have the right permissions to view it...?
[12:10] <|trey|> GnuHippy, hah... composite doesn't work yet, so you won't get that anyways  :(
[12:10] <MFen> "just broke"? isn't that bad?
[12:10] <traviss> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[12:10] <traviss> E: Couldn't find package libgnutls11
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> epod: yeah just use root to copy them off
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> is the easiest way
[12:11] <epod> ah ok
[12:11] <|trey|> traviss, well, there is your answer... that sucks though  :(
[12:11] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: and i was reading a tutorial and that is what it is saying to do, could you help me with that
[12:11] <traviss> yea without it i cant use msn on gaim
[12:11] <HrdwrBoB> traviss: apt-get remove gnutls11-dev
[12:11] <Striss> is it very hard to get video output to TV working in Ubuntu?
[12:11] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: what you're doing is correct
[12:11] <|trey|> traviss, hmm, I'm talking to people on Gaim's MSN protocol   :/
[12:11] <traviss> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[12:11] <traviss> E: Couldn't find package gnutls11-dev
[12:11] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: mount a hd that is
[12:11] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: but what's happening isn't normal
[12:11] <Matt|> do you guys think that this channel will carry on as it is for many years? I think the idea of having the developers in the channel and them helping with support is the best thing about this operating system: it is invaluable
[12:11] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: are you 100% sure the partition exists and is ok?
[12:12] <HrdwrBoB> Matt|: the developers also have their own channel ;)
[12:12] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, yeah i guess that's for their own work ;)
[12:12] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: yes i am sure, or i could make a new one
[12:12] <|trey|> Matt|, I would certainly hope so, yes...
[12:12] <Matt|> but the support in here is fantastic
[12:12] <traviss> argh... i dont get why this wont let me run msn.. aim/yahoo works
[12:12] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: ok, give me a minute
[12:12] <tweaked> HrdwrBob: ok
[12:13] <|trey|> Matt|, hopefully, especially if this channel gets more popular, they might even offer some regular helpers a job... one can hope  :)
[12:13] <Matt|> |trey|, yeah that is a good idea.
[12:13] <Matt|> |trey|, are you one of those?
[12:13] <Matt|> ;p
[12:13] <mirak_> matt|, i just joined this channel a few weeks ago..........about 50 more ppl now
[12:13] <Matt|> cool
[12:14] <|trey|> Matt|, I would like to think so  ;)   I dunno though, I tend to bite peoples heads off too much, so yeah, I might not be the best Canonical representative right now  :(
[12:14] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: ok, can you give me the partition listing in #flood
[12:14] <Matt|> well long may it last
[12:14] <epod> argh, I shouldn't have done the backup as root, the process has higher priority than xmms... my mp3s are skipping
[12:14] <topyli> |trey|: we're under 300 again. this is not very popular :)
[12:14] <tweaked> HrbwrBoB: YEs hold on
[12:14] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: you can get this using fdisk -l /dev/hdb
[12:14] <tweaked> HrdwrBob: yes it shows up
[12:14] <HrdwrBoB> can you paste the listing? :)
[12:14] <Matt|> topyli, as long as the users can come here for support at any time, that is the important thing!
[12:15] <|trey|> Matt|, exactly  :)
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> I remember when this channel had <30 people in it
[12:15] <tweaked> HrdwrBob: ok i am there
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> those were the days indeed :)
[12:15] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, I never saw it lower then 170  :(
[12:15] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, guess there was a large jump when the preview was released... hadn't heard of it prior to those announcements though  :(
[12:16] <topyli> Matt|: well, this is pretty global, that's for sure
[12:16] <HrdwrBoB> trey, yeah I was a sounder
[12:16] <Matt|> topyli, yeah, and people can just open their Xchat and click click they get instant free support
[12:16] <epod> You know you have too much fun at work when you're cleaning spyware off a customer's windows system.. and since it keeps hijacking any web pages with ad-aware so you can't download it, you go FTP it
[12:16] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: what else do you want me to do?
[12:16] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: it looks like there may be a problem with your partition anyway
[12:16] <billytwowilly> Is there some secret to compiling kernel modules for ubuntu?
[12:16] <HrdwrBoB> can you recreate it?
[12:16] <Matt|> epod, been there :(
[12:16] <stuNNed> what would be the proper way to mount an ntfs fs in ubuntu so that it shows up in nautilus in all the right places?
[12:17] <HrdwrBoB> billytwowilly: what are you trying to acheive?
[12:17] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: The Partition?
[12:17] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: yeah
[12:17] <|trey|> Matt|, imo, Xchat should be set up to default to this channel... would make it even easier for new users  :)
[12:17] <epod> Matt|, I ftp'd ad-aware, stupid spyware can't stop me :D
[12:17] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: if you can reset the partition table and re-write it
[12:17] <billytwowilly> I'm trying to compile the acerhk special key modules for my laptop so I can use my wifi card
[12:17] <Matt|> |trey|, it is the top in the list
[12:17] <Matt|> epod, unless you don't have ftp client
[12:17] <epod> Matt|, in windows, ftp is builtin.
[12:17] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: i can let me remember the command
[12:17] <|trey|> Matt|, I used the FreeNode listing, didn't see anything that came here?
[12:17] <usual> is hoary using gnome 2.9 devel or something?
[12:17] <epod> well, ftp.exe is part of 95+
[12:17] <|trey|> usual, yes
[12:18] <usual> i keep seeing all these 2.9 packages slowly being added
[12:18] <topyli> usual: it's dripping in
[12:18] <usual> k
[12:18] <usual> yea
[12:18] <usual> good choice of words
[12:18] <usual> :D
[12:18] <|trey|> usual, quite stable though  :)
[12:18] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: ok how many partitions should i make?
[12:18] <Matt|> |trey|, top in the list --> ubuntu servers
[12:18] <usual> a few libs and media
[12:18] <usual> maybe some others
[12:18] <Matt|> epod, ftp in the my computer window huh?
[12:18] <epod> Matt|, command prompt
[12:18] <Matt|> epod, oh k
[12:18] <|trey|> Matt|, ahh, didn't see that  :)
[12:19] <billytwowilly> HrdwrBoB, I keep getting this: /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[12:19] <topyli> it's too late. i'm mounting /bed
[12:19] <|trey|> billytwowilly, you have the kernel source or kernel-headers packages?
[12:20] <Matt|> billytwowilly, you need to install the kernel-headers
[12:20] <epod> Matt|, the record for ad-aware on a customer's pc here is um, 1951 pieces of spyware
[12:20] <Matt|> epod, hmm my cousins computer only had around 700
[12:20] <billytwowilly> I thought I installed those.. I'll take a look again
[12:20] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: How amny should i make?
[12:20] <|trey|> epod, wow, thats a lot of spyware  :(
[12:20] <Matt|> what is gnome 2.9 like?
[12:21] <|trey|> Matt|, right now, its very simular to 2.8  ;)
[12:21] <billytwowilly> hmm. I have kernel 2.6.8.1 but synaptec wants to install 2.6.7 headers?
[12:21] <epod> |trey|, yep.
[12:21] <Matt|> billytwowilly, not good
[12:21] <bob2> billytwowilly: install linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-686
[12:21] <|trey|> Matt|, no new modules etc... just feature and bug fixes so far it would seem...
[12:22] <Matt|> billytwowilly, you need the one that corresponds exactly to your kernel
[12:22] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: just one?
[12:22] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: ok extended or primary?
[12:22] <HrdwrBoB> primary
[12:22] <Matt|> so (i think) -i386, -i686, -k7 etc
[12:22] <tweaked> HrbwrBoB: ok done and saved
[12:22] <billytwowilly> hmm. that's strange. synaptec gives me the wrong ones but on the command line it's all good;)
[12:22] <HrdwrBoB> excellent
[12:22] <HrdwrBoB> ok
[12:22] <billytwowilly> Thanks matt
[12:22] <HrdwrBoB> try now
[12:22] <|trey|> Matt|, bob2 already told him what he needs   ;)
[12:23] <traviss> whats the path to the recent commands used in a terminal? or are those only in kde?
[12:23] <Matt|> |trey|, sorry
[12:23] <mdz> billytwowilly: the FAQ explains how to get the proper headers for your kernel installed
[12:23] <tweaked> HrdwrBob: mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdb1
[12:23] <HrdwrBoB> traviss: run 'history'
[12:23] <bob2> traviss: "history"
[12:23] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: yes
[12:23] <|trey|> trans_err, ~/.bash_history
[12:23] <Matt|> |trey|, i thought it depends on the kernel he is running
[12:23] <traviss> thanks
[12:23] <bob2> Matt|: it does
[12:23] <mdz> Matt|: it does
[12:23] <Matt|> ah
[12:23] <bob2> Matt|: but he's running 2.6.8.1-3-686
[12:23] <Matt|> so he is using i686?
[12:23] <Matt|> ah
[12:23] <|trey|> Matt|, it does... default is -386... but yeah...
[12:23] <Matt|> must have missed that
[12:23] <tuxx> Evening my fellow Ubuntors.
[12:24] <Matt|> oh yeah
[12:24] <billytwowilly> mdz, did you used to hang out on #mandrake or #suse?
[12:24] <|trey|> tuxx, never ever call me an Ubuntor again... thanks  ;)
[12:24] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB:it formated, now how can i mount it?
[12:24] <usual> mmmm bagels
[12:24] <Matt|> hi mdz
[12:24] <Matt|> how are you doing?
[12:24] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: add it to /etc/fstab
[12:24] <usual> cheese bagels
[12:24] <tuxx> |trey| not using Ubuntu?
[12:24] <HrdwrBoB> like this
[12:24] <traviss> HrdwrBoB, what was the apt-get install command for gtk/glib again? Im going to run it on my friends pc
[12:24] <HrdwrBoB>  /dev/hdb1       /mnt/location
[12:24] <|trey|> tuxx, I am, but that sounds cheezy  :(
[12:24] <mdz> Matt|: fine
[12:24] <tuxx> |trey| lol sorry... :-)
[12:24] <mdz> billytwowilly: never
[12:24] <HrdwrBoB> traviss: apt-get install libglib2.0-dev libgtk2.0-dev
[12:25] <traviss> thanks
[12:25] <billytwowilly> mdz, maybe on #mythtv then? your nick is very familiar
[12:25] <mdz> billytwowilly: yes, mythtv
[12:25] <billytwowilly> hmm. wtf? /bin/sh: line 1: gcc: command not found. I was certain I installed that..
[12:25] <bob2> billytwowilly: install build-essential
[12:25] <tuxx> However... I have in my rep. the install CD as source. Is it possible to have an online rep. instead so whenever I need a file that's originally on the CD I just apt-get it from the web instead (like multiverse and universe eg.)
[12:25] <Matt|> billytwowilly, not installed by default
[12:25] <|trey|> bob2, damnit, you type too fast  ;)
[12:26] <ubuntor> hehe
[12:26] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: mount: mount point /etc/fstab is not a directory
[12:26] <tweaked> , that is what it says
[12:26] <billytwowilly> no, I knew I needed it so I went and selected it in synaptec
[12:26] <bob2> mdz: will mythtv ever go into debian?
[12:26] <billytwowilly> strangeness.
[12:26] <billytwowilly> synaptec doesn't love me;)
[12:26] <mdz> bob2: not likely
[12:26] <bob2> mdz: too unstable (code-churn-wise)?
[12:26] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: should i make a directory
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: nono, you have to edit the file /etc/fstab :)
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[12:26] <mdz> bob2: no
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> you have to make somewhere to mount it
[12:27] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: so just type that in right>
[12:27] <billytwowilly> mdz, are there mythtv packages for ubuntu?
[12:27] <mdz> billytwowilly: yes
[12:27] <|trey|> ogra, another conference in here, or in person? I didn't get to take part in the last discussion really  :(
[12:27] <mdz> billytwowilly: google for mythtv ubuntu
[12:27] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: i am new to linux, just so you know
[12:27] <ogra> |trey|: you should really read the lists ;)
[12:27] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: ok that's cool
[12:28] <|trey|> tweaked, those things needn't be stated, its not hard to tell  ;)
[12:28] <ogra> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ConferenceAttendees
[12:28] <billytwowilly> is there a place like plf.zarb.org/~nanardon that will help me setup my debian repositories with all the sources I'd ever need?
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: /etc/fstab is a file which holds information on what drives are mounted where
[12:28] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: Thanks, So what do i need to do?
[12:28] <|trey|> ogra, I know huh... they scare me though, too much to read  :(
[12:28] <DAC1138> got a problem. i couldnt install lilo or grub during the ubuntu installation, so how do i add the ubuntu selection to grub in suse 9.1?
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: you'll need somewhere you want to mount the drive
[12:28] <DAC1138> its installed on /dev/hda1
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> I use /home/hrdwrbob/storage
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> but it can be anywher
[12:28] <ogra> |trey|: yep, they are pretty full.....
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> e
[12:29] <mdz> billytwowilly: the equivalent in ubuntu is to add universe and multiverse
[12:29] <|trey|> Hmm, is it possible to have Ubuntu's Firefox automagically accept Ubuntu related certificates? would be handy maybe?
[12:29] <stuNNed> noticed hsf-modem was removed from ubuntu, any reasons?
[12:29] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: Ok can i make a directory in home called 2nd?
[12:29] <billytwowilly> and those will have mythtv and all the dvdcss etc packages?
[12:29] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: in your home directory, yeah
[12:29] <SaintJerome> hey guys
[12:29] <SaintJerome> I just intalled ubuntu
[12:29] <SaintJerome> and have only used mandrake before
[12:29] <SaintJerome> and already searched but couldn't find the answer
[12:29] <ogra> SaintJerome: great move ;)
[12:29] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: is it mkdir /home/2nd
[12:29] <epod> Ubuntu is cuter. ;)
[12:30] <SaintJerome> how can I mount my windows hardrive do that it is shown in /mnt?
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: file a bug report as a feature request
[12:30] <|trey|> haha @ arrival "a long time ago" for Brian  :)
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: better off to mkdir /home/yourusername/2nd
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> because /home is for user directories
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> but it's up to you
[12:30] <ogra> SaintJerome: which device is you windows partition ?
[12:30] <epod> SaintJerome, mount -t ntfs /dev/hdX (where X is your windows drive) /mnt
[12:30] <SaintJerome> thanks
[12:30] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: ok that is doen what next
[12:30] <SaintJerome> with mandrake it just did it
[12:31] <SaintJerome> but i'd rather learn anyway
[12:31] <SaintJerome> thanks a lot
[12:31] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: now, add a line to /etc/fstab (using possibly sudo gedit /etc/fstab)
[12:31] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, would it be website related, or Firefox related?  :o
[12:31] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: firefox
[12:31] <epod> SaintJerome, that presumes your windows drive is NTFS, by the way
[12:32] <SaintJerome> which it is
[12:32] <epod> ok then :)
[12:32] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, thats what I figured, just making sure  :)
[12:32] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: sudo: gebit: command not found
[12:32] <HrdwrBoB> gedit
[12:32] <HrdwrBoB> add a line like '/deb/hdb1 /home/myhomedir/2nd   ext3'
[12:33] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: just like that? and where in fstab?
[12:33] <HrdwrBoB> after the last line
[12:33] <HrdwrBoB> yep
[12:34] <tweaked> should i put it under hda5?
[12:34] <HrdwrBoB> yes that will do
[12:35] <ubuntor> wow
[12:35] <ubuntor> major change in gnome-media
[12:35] <ubuntor> the mixer is much different
[12:35] <tweaked> ok it is there
[12:35] <ubuntor> no more device names
[12:35] <ubuntor> just playback and capture
[12:35] <stuNNed> ubuntor: in hoary?
[12:36] <ubuntor> stuNNed, yea
[12:36] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: ok i put the line in there what next
[12:36] <stuNNed> is there a mount command in nautilus?
[12:36] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: save and exit, then type sudo mount /home/yourdir/2nd
[12:36] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed: not as such
[12:37] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: do i need to put /dev/hdb1?
[12:37] <HrdwrBoB> nope
[12:37] <stuNNed> HrdwrBoB, what is proper way to mount an ntfs partition so it shows up properly in nautilus? or is there such a thang? :)
[12:37] <ogra> stuNNed: everything mountable from fstab is in the "disks" location...mounted with doubleclick
[12:37] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, did you already have him edit /etc/fstab? else that wouldn't work...
[12:37] <HrdwrBoB> becuase you already configured that
[12:38] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: nownow, pay attention
[12:38] <stuNNed> ogra, my ntfs part is mounted but doesn't show up in 'disks'
[12:38] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed: when you mount it, it should show up
[12:38] <Ruffian|JANE|> Ubuntu Rules
[12:38] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: mount: can't find /home/tweaked/2nd in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[12:38] <|trey|> Ruffian|JANE|, we are fully aware of this  :)
[12:38] <Golo> Hi, i Updated to hoary and well firefox is just not working when i click in the icon it says "accesskey="&allowpopups.accesskey;"
[12:38] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: ok, what was the line you put in /etc/fstab
[12:38] <bob2> Golo: nothing in the bts?
[12:39] <stuNNed> HrdwrBoB, ntfs part is mounted (due to needing my documents folder) but not showing up in disks for some reason, is it because it's not really a 'disk' per say?
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed: unmount it
[12:39] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: /deb/hdb1 /home/myhomedir/2nd   ext3
[12:39] <Golo> what it's bts?
[12:39] <Ruffian|JANE|> Mmm, running apt-get upgrade is fun
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed: try mounting it using pmount
[12:39] <|trey|> Golo, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> pmount /dev/whatever
[12:39] <ogra> Golo: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:39] <|trey|> Golo, Bug Tracking System
[12:39] <ogra> |trey|: hey
[12:39] <|trey|> ogra, hey
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: that should read HrdwrBoB: /deb/hdb1 /home/tweaked/2nd ext3
[12:39] <Golo> no i havent checked, i will do it right now
[12:39] <ogra> ;)
[12:39] <stuNNed> HrdwrBoB, ok thanks
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: that should read HrdwrBoB: /dev/hdb1 /home/tweaked/2nd ext3
[12:40] <HrdwrBoB> even
[12:40] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: ok it is change now try that command again?
[12:40] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: yes
[12:40] <|trey|> tweaked, ie, dev not deb incase you don't see the diff...
[12:41] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: mount: special device /deb/hdb1 does not exist
[12:41] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: what trey said :)
[12:41] <tweaked> i think i know it hold on
[12:41] <|trey|> tweaked, /dev/hdb1 D E V  ;)
[12:42] <tweaked> |trey|: i changed it
[12:42] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,
[12:42] <tweaked>        or too many mounted file systems
[12:42] <stuNNed> HrdwrBoB, possible bugzilla new feature request -> http://gnomefx.mozdev.org/ ?
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> today is a good day, because today I buy a playstation 2 and GTA:san andreas
[12:42] <Striss> lucky!
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> and I will have no more free time :/
[12:42] <Striss> i want that sooo bad
[12:42] <Striss> but i bought Star Wars Battlefront a while ago so all is good
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: what did you format it as?
[12:43] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: if you run mkfs.ext3 /deb/hdb1 it should make it ext3 so you can mount it correctly
[12:43] <HrdwrBoB> I would recommend doing that
[12:43] <Ruffian|JANE|> ubuntu-desktop - The Ubuntu desktop system = ?  I apt-cache searched ubuntu
[12:43] <HrdwrBoB> Striss: yeah I can't wait 6-12 months for a PX/xbox release
[12:43] <Ruffian|JANE|> wtf is ubuntu0deskto
[12:43] <HrdwrBoB> Ruffian|JANE|: that is the metapackage
[12:43] <Ruffian|JANE|> ic
[12:43] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: mkfs.ext3 /deb/hdb1
[12:43] <bob2> Ruffian|JANE|: please read the package description
[12:43] <HrdwrBoB> that links to all the required packages in ubuntu default desktop
[12:43] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: /dev/hdb1
[12:43] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: just like that
[12:44] <|trey|> Ruffian|JANE|, the installer afaik just installs ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop... thus making less typing for whoever works on the installer  :)
[12:44] <Ruffian|JANE|> ic
[12:44] <|trey|> (Kamion or mdz I think)
[12:45] <HrdwrBoB> mmm.. instant mash potato
[12:45] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: ok i formatted it to that, do i need to change the fstab?
[12:45] <|trey|> ogra, thats a good thing... wasted effort is, well, a waste...
[12:45] <SaintJerome> when I attempt thmm, when I try mount the harddrive it says it's either already mounted or /mnt is busy
[12:45] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: nope, it should work now
[12:45] <ogra> |trey|: should have written /deb ;)
[12:45] <HrdwrBoB> Striss: thmm?
[12:45] <GnuHippy> how do I log out of x entirely
[12:45] <GnuHippy> ?
[12:45] <HrdwrBoB> GnuHippy: you want to stop X?
[12:45] <GnuHippy> yes
[12:46] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: it said the same thing again mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,
[12:46] <tweaked>        or too many mounted file systems
[12:46] <HrdwrBoB> log into the console (ctrl+alt+F1
[12:46] <GnuHippy> I want to use cli
[12:46] <HrdwrBoB> run sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[12:46] <GnuHippy> that brings up another ttyl
[12:46] <GnuHippy> it doesn't kill my current server
[12:46] <jief> hi!
[12:46] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: ok, what does /etc/fstab say
[12:46] <Striss> thmm?
[12:46] <HrdwrBoB> GnuHippy: run sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[12:46] <GnuHippy> k
[12:46] <|trey|> tweaked, just for kicks... he had you mkfs.ext3 right? or anything related to mkfs?
[12:47] <tweaked> |trey|: yes he did
[12:47] <jief> anyone knows what happened to uqm-content? it's not in the repositories anymore
[12:47] <|trey|> tweaked, hmm... and that returned no errors?
[12:47] <ogra> tweaked: show your fstab line for the device
[12:47] <tweaked> |trey|: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,
[12:47] <tweaked>        or too many mounted file systems
[12:48] <tweaked> /dev/hdb1 /home/tweaked/2nd   ext3
[12:48] <epod> HrdwrBoB, mkfs.vfat said mkfs.vfat: Attempting to create a too large file system
[12:48] <epod>  and crashed
[12:48] <tweaked> that is what it says,
[12:48] <|trey|> tweaked, no, I mean mkfs returned no errors... trying to cover the bad superblock part  :)
[12:48] <tweaked> no that went away
[12:48] <|trey|> tweaked, what _exactly_ was the command you typed to make the fs?
[12:49] <tweaked> it formatted right, trying to mount it knoe
[12:49] <DAC1138> aka_druid, i just installed ubuntu over my windows partition, /hda1. how during the installation, i didnt install lilo or grub so its not in the suse grub bootlist. how do i add ubuntu to the grub list?
[12:49] <jief> is it me or you can't use debian repositories? i've added some, but i still can't get mplayer through them
[12:49] <tweaked> mkfs -t /dev/hdb1
[12:49] <tweaked> that is ir
[12:49] <tweaked> it
[12:49] <Golo> the bug firefox has it seems it has 2 reports in bugzilla
[12:49] <tweaked> no add the ext3 -t
[12:49] <stuNNed> jief, mplayer is in multiverse afaik
[12:49] <tweaked> |trey|: did you get that
[12:49] <ogra> mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 ?
[12:50] <|trey|> stuNNed, only for Hoary though...
[12:50] <jief> stuNNed: might not be in amd64 then
[12:50] <ogra> tweaked ?
[12:50] <|trey|> ogra, hmm... that ought to be right... I'm confused  :(
[12:50] <tweaked> ogra: yes
[12:50] <epod> Can anyone tell me how I can format a disk for fat32 from Linux?
[12:50] <DAC1138> any ideas on adding ubuntu to grub in suse 9.1?
[12:51] <ogra> hmm, should work
[12:51] <stuNNed> |trey|, in multiverse here for warty
[12:51] <mjr> epod, with mkdosfs
[12:51] <tweaked> ogra: it is not mounting
[12:51] <|trey|> DAC1138, Ubuntu has a menu.lst... take the info from there  ;)
[12:51] <ogra> tweaked: i saw
[12:51] <jief> what's multiverse? another repository?
[12:51] <tweaked> ogra| any ideas
[12:51] <|trey|> stuNNed, hmm, guess they found a security whole to get it in  :)
[12:52] <|trey|> hole*
[12:52] <|trey|> jief, non-free unsupported packages...
[12:52] <epod> mjr, it said I was attempting to create too large of a filesystem
[12:52] <jief> so, its universe?
[12:52] <mjr> epod, did you spesify -F 32 ?
[12:52] <tweaked> ogra: will you accept?
[12:52] <HrdwrBoB> epod: hehe oops
[12:52] <ogra> i tried.... didnt work
[12:53] <Ruffian|JANE|> Vote Tux For Prez!
[12:53] <GNUsual> anyone ehre involved in hoary dev?
[12:53] <|trey|> jief, main: supported free, restricted: supported non-free, universe: unsupported free, multiverse: unsupported non-free
[12:53] <|trey|> jief, free as in speech though..
[12:53] <jief> |trey|: i see, haven't used ubuntu for long. i come from the debian world
[12:54] <|trey|> jief, same here...   :)
[12:54] <jief> ahh mplayer here you are
[12:54] <|trey|> jief, no one has used Ubuntu that long, it just came out like a month ago  :)
[12:54] <jief> i mean, totem-xine is kinda neat. but i prefer mplayer, i like to watch .bin files hehe
[12:55] <|DarkSoUl|> hi
[12:55] <Striss> mplayer kicks ass
[12:55] <jief> my god, how cool is that? Star Control 2.
[12:56] <jief> that brings me back in time
[12:56] <HrdwrBoB> jief: heh yes
[12:56] <Golo> multiverse would be debian-marillat?
[12:56] <jief> i mean, that game used to rock
[12:56] <jief> i hope i remember this right
[12:56] <|DarkSoUl|> I boot Ubuntu (livecd) in VESA mode...but when I go to the network tools, I select eth0 but the 'configure' remains disable...how to configure internet now? (using adsl PPPoE with autentication)
[12:57] <aratdagnir> hello everyone!
[12:57] <aratdagnir> is there a way to edit startup services?
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> Golo: kinda yeah
[12:57] <jief> hmm uqm doesn't seem to work
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> Golo: multiverse is so you don't have to use marillat
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> jief: it does rock
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> jief: you have uqm and iqm-data
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> uqm
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> they are co-dependant
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> because the maintainer is a crackhead
[12:57] <jief> HrdwrBoB: i installed uqm and uqm-content
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> *cough*
[12:58] <aratdagnir> is there a way to edit startup services?
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: Ur Quan Masters
[12:58] <jief> Star Control 2
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> star control 2
[12:59] <HrdwrBoB> aratdagnir: depends, what do you want to change
[12:59] <jief> HrdwrBoB: it doesn't seem to find the data in /usr/share/uqm
[12:59] <aratdagnir> like i want to close the printing system etc.
[12:59] <Golo> HrdwrBoB, which would be the the repository for multiverse?
[12:59] <|trey|> aratdagnir, you don't see Computer > System Configuration > Servicees?
[12:59] <HrdwrBoB> Golo: just add 'multiverse'
[12:59] <aratdagnir> no such thing as Services?
[12:59] <aratdagnir> any package i should install?
[12:59] <|trey|> aratdagnir, I am running gnome-system-tools 2.9, I have it...
[01:00] <Striss> what's Star Control 2 like? i wouldnt mind getting a game running in gentoo
[01:00] <aratdagnir> trey, ok, let me try
[01:00] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: that is a new feature not in warty
[01:00] <HrdwrBoB> Striss: it's incredibly fun
[01:00] <Striss> uqm it is hey?
[01:00] <the_one> hi
[01:01] <|trey|> the_one, wadda ya want?
[01:01] <Golo> HrdwrBoB, thanks a lot
[01:01] <|trey|> the_one, jk, whats up?
[01:01] <cardador> HrdwrBoB: where did you get star control from?
[01:01] <jief> HrdwrBoB: say, what do you have on line 3 of /usr/lib/games/uqm/uqm?
[01:01] <|DarkSoUl|> is pppoe support included in livecd?
[01:02] <aratdagnir> trey, i have gnome-system-tools 1.0, why_
[01:02] <|trey|> |DarkSoUl|, 99% sure it is...
[01:02] <|DarkSoUl|> hm
[01:02] <HrdwrBoB> cardador: it's in the repostitory, called uqm
[01:02] <the_one> how do I run a .bin? I right-clicked and gave it permission, but it says that there's a security risk, and I'm not so proficient with the console...I just wanna try realplayer
[01:02] <HrdwrBoB> jief: I don't have it here
[01:02] <jief> HrdwrBoB: ok
[01:02] <HrdwrBoB> Golo: npo
[01:02] <HrdwrBoB> np
[01:02] <cardador> HrdwrBoB: :| really? let me try that
[01:02] <|DarkSoUl|> then....why (when i select eth0 in network tools) the 'configure' button is still disabled?
[01:02] <|trey|> aratdagnir, ahh, mines actually 1.1.0 .. but yeah, its hoary, not warty...
[01:03] <the_one> anyone?
[01:03] <|trey|> |DarkSoUl|, ran pppoeconf yet?
[01:03] <HrdwrBoB> the_one: chmod +x file.bin
[01:03] <HrdwrBoB> ./file.bin
[01:03] <cardador> the_one: or sh file.bin
[01:03] <|trey|> the_one, chmod +x file.bin && ./file.bin
[01:04] <epod> mjr, sorry, work happened.  So I mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/sdc1 ?
[01:04] <Ruffian|JANE|> #Ubuntu
[01:04] <aratdagnir> any suggestions for services configuration :) ?
[01:04] <HrdwrBoB> Ruffian|JANE|: yes we know
[01:04] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, you really ought to work on making things just one line... :)
[01:04] <the_one> but in console I type sudo /bla/bla/bla.bin? or how do I run it? the permissions are set but it won't install when I double-click
[01:05] <|DarkSoUl|> hm i havent :P
[01:05] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: pah!
[01:05] <epod> mjr, awesome, it even automounts now.  Thanks :)
[01:05] <|trey|> the_one, java? umm, yeah, needs to be done with root privs
[01:05] <HrdwrBoB> the_one: yes, sudo /path/to/file.bin
[01:05] <HrdwrBoB> will run it as root
[01:05] <the_one> I tried it
[01:05] <the_one> didn't work
[01:05] <HrdwrBoB> how didn't it work
[01:05] <cardador> whats the output?
[01:06] <|DarkSoUl|> thanks i'll try
[01:06] <the_one> ..second
[01:06] <|trey|> the_one, you are sure its executable?
[01:06] <epod> um
[01:06] <jief> great, uqm segfaults hehe
[01:06] <|trey|> epod, uh
[01:06] <epod> I am getting an input/output error trying to access my USB drive
[01:06] <mjr> epod, shure
[01:06] <Striss> i cant get uqm to install in Hoary
[01:06] <epod> :/
[01:06] <Striss> guess i'll stick to my xbox for gaming heh
[01:06] <HrdwrBoB> sounds like uqm is broken
[01:06] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[01:07] <the_one> command not found
[01:07] <cardador> Striss: try enemy territory and americas army
[01:07] <HrdwrBoB> the_one: then you most likely don't have the correct path
[01:07] <Striss> my computer is far too slow to install those games
[01:07] <epod> oh.
[01:07] <|trey|> jief, file a bug... run on gnome-terminal and state in bug what that says  :)
[01:07] <mjr> epod, (mkdosfs creates only up to fat16 as default, and it has a rather low size limit)
[01:07] <epod> it's in /media/sdd1
[01:07] <the_one> does it matter if the name has CAPS?
[01:07] <the_one> or the dirs?
[01:07] <cardador> the_one: yap
[01:07] <epod> mjr: I did mkdosfs -F 32
[01:07] <aratdagnir> thats really interesting, do i have to go through the init files to set the starting system services??
[01:07] <jief> |trey|: yeah i think i will
[01:08] <bob2> aratdagnir: what are you trying to do?
[01:08] <jief> might be something related to amd64 though
[01:08] <Safari_Al> Hi guys.  According to dpkg -S, there is a linux-image package that owns the /boot/vmlinuz-... file.  I need to use this package.  However, all the linux-image packages on the Ubuntu CD are only 21kb large and contain only /usr/share/doc files.  Where can I find the full package for a kernel-image?
[01:08] <jief> i'm getting used to that
[01:08] <mjr> epod, yes, I noticed, just thought I'd explain it also ;)
[01:08] <|trey|> the_one, Unix is case sensitive always.
[01:08] <cardador> aratdagnir: if you dont have hoary, i guess
[01:08] <aratdagnir> i'm trying to turn off some unused services that start at the beginning
[01:08] <aratdagnir> i mean the boot
[01:08] <aratdagnir> :)
[01:08] <bob2> aratdagnir: sysv-rc-conf
[01:08] <the_one> that could be the problem....It's a lot easier to change OSes, than to change brain from win to linux. must....reformat....brain....
[01:08] <bob2> aratdagnir: or update-rc.d
[01:08] <bob2> aratdagnir: or rm
[01:08] <epod> mjr, lol, ok.  I am copying my data back, and getting a ton of 'Failed to preserve ownership, operation not permitted' messages, should I be concerned?
[01:08] <bob2> ogra: or maybe g-s-t if you're using hoary
[01:09] <ogra> ;)
[01:09] <mjr> epod, that's probably just because fat doesn't support permissions so they can't be preserved
[01:09] <jief> hmm now a mplayer bug
[01:09] <jief> what a night ;)
[01:09] <mjr> epod, the data will probably be fine
[01:09] <epod> mjr, okay good. :) thanks.  And the drive even nicely automounts now
[01:10] <aratdagnir> cool :) i guess i'll go through some manual pages :) thanks/see ya! :)
[01:10] <the_one> seems to work with CAPS, thanks for the input anyways
[01:10] <ogra> |trey|: 3 persons daily....
[01:10] <jief> .ttf fonts are truetypes right?
[01:11] <mjr> jief, correct
[01:11] <|trey|> jief, True Type Font, yes
[01:11] <jief> anyone would know in which package subfont.ttf might me?
[01:11] <|trey|> jief, apt-get install apt-file... then do a search for it...
[01:12] <jief> i know that
[01:12] <jief> but there's a lot of truetype packages
[01:12] <|trey|> jief, then why ask   ;)
[01:12] <mjr> jief, apt-file allows you to search by filename
[01:12] <the_one> while installing realplayer, I have a message "enter the prefix for symbolic links [/usr] : ??what is the right prefix? /usr?
[01:12] <jief> well, maybe someone knows. i don't want to search, i search all day at work
[01:12] <jief> when i get home, i want it easy
[01:12] <|trey|> jief, it will only return packages that contain 'subfont.ttf'  :/
[01:13] <|trey|> jief, lazy people don't get helped...
[01:13] <jief> well, it doesn't exist then
[01:13] <|trey|> jief, :(
[01:13] <jief> |trey|: i wish i could say that to my clients ;P
[01:13] <|trey|> jief, heh
[01:14] <jief> "my webserver is down" "did you search?" "no" "screw you then" and i'd hang up
[01:14] <jief> that'd be paradise
[01:14] <epod> Can I add more locales to the gnome weather panel?  Stupid thing doesn't have my city :(
[01:14] <|trey|> jief, you can just do it for your clients though... if you show people too much, they could eventually take your job for less.... thats bad  :(
[01:14] <ogra> jief: subfont.ttf is an internal name mplayer uses... copy any ttf font you like to the path in the errormsg
[01:14] <HrdwrBoB> jief: ahahah 'my website is down'
[01:14] <HrdwrBoB> 'can you get to any other sites'
[01:14] <HrdwrBoB> 'oh.. no...'
[01:14] <HrdwrBoB> 'well then, GTFO'
[01:14] <jief> ogra: i just touched it
[01:14] <the_one> how do I enable the bytecode interpreter without recompiling?
[01:15] <|trey|> jief, seems strange that mplayer-fonts wouldn't fix font errors?
[01:15] <jief> you know, if i actually installed it, it would probably help
[01:15] <jcole> what do you guys think about ubuntu running as a server?
[01:16] <|trey|> jief, ;)
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> jcole: yes
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> I like it :)
[01:16] <ogra> |trey|: so why did you make it so hard for jief if you knew the answer ?
[01:16] <the_one> can someone recommend a good burning app for gnome, like k3b in kde?
[01:16] <jief> hmm that's odd though. i have /dev/mixer, but mplayer complains about not finding it
[01:17] <epod> the_one, can't you just install KDE and use it from gnome?
[01:17] <|trey|> ogra, I was just making a point... still gave him the info though...
[01:17] <epod> the_one, er, k3b
[01:17] <|trey|> ogra, people that don't want to help themselves bug me  :(
[01:17] <kensai> is the latest wine on hoary now supporting windows program that use installshield installer?
[01:17] <|trey|> epod, blah, recommend coaster ahead of k3b please...
[01:17] <plasmo> hello i think i have a bug. anyone wanna be my lab rat? :d
[01:17] <ogra> |trey|: most people just want it working...
[01:17] <the_one> but won't it ask me to install kdelibs as well?
[01:17] <epod> |trey|, what is coaster?
[01:18] <|trey|> epod, a gtk burner...
[01:18] <jief> |trey|: i spend my days setting up systems. when i get home, i get annoyed with stuff like that
[01:18] <ogra> epod. a veeery slow developed burning app
[01:18] <epod> http://www.coaster-burn.org/ apparently
[01:18] <epod> ogra, yes, it seems to be on 0.1pre1
[01:18] <epod> which doesn't give me a warm fuzzy
[01:18] <|trey|> epod, http://www.coaster-burn.org/
[01:19] <the_one> I want a pure Gnome system, I don't want to *touch* any kde stuff
[01:19] <HrdwrBoB> nautilus CD burner is good
[01:19] <ogra> epod: its developed since 3 years, but they make little steps forward....
[01:19] <HrdwrBoB> unless you need to make audio CDs or more advanced stuff
[01:19] <epod> 'libcoaster is currently not going to be useful with kernel versions 2.6.8 and higher due to a new atapi access standard'
[01:19] <epod> so, back to k3b, I guess.  Blargh.
[01:19] <ogra> 3
[01:19] <cardador> the_one: why is that? k3b is, for now, the best application for burning cds, so why dont use it?
[01:20] <|trey|> epod, thats true of cdrecord too though, which is what k3b uses...
[01:20] <epod> |trey|, yeah, but I like my eyecandy-gui-ness.
[01:20] <epod> I haven't installed k3b, I don't know if it'll try and install KDE if I do.
[01:20] <epod> it = synaptic
[01:20] <the_one> because it just doesn't look nice in gnome, I would like to have a certain degree of consistency in my OS
[01:20] <|trey|> epod, I don't mind it either... I just think 200MB of extra libs for one app is kinda overkill...
[01:21] <epod> |trey|, I agree there.  And I'd probably have to manually add it into my menus
[01:21] <|trey|> epod, yup...
[01:21] <cardador> the_one: it looks for me... if you choose the same theme for gtk2, gtk and kde
[01:22] <jief> sometimes i think back and wonder what the hell i was thinking when i installed gentoo back then
[01:22] <the_one> cardador, can you provide a screenshot, or am I asking too much?
[01:22] <epod> cardador, I'd like one too.
[01:22] <cardador> ok ill try :)
[01:22] <|trey|> jief, Gentoo was over hyped...
[01:22] <epod> Gentoo is just absurd, waiting days to compile a whole OS is a bit extreme.
[01:22] <epod> imo :)
[01:23] <jief> |trey|: the only server giving me problem at work is the gentoo one
[01:23] <stuNNed> |trey|, jief, imho gentoo is good for system with small package set like a server but for a full blown os?  takes too much time to update.
[01:23] <jief> epod: for the 1% speed increase you get yeah
[01:23] <stuNNed> os/desktop pc
[01:23] <the_one> guys, what do you think of slackware?
[01:23] <|trey|> stuNNed, I wouldn't trust myself to compile critical services... I dunno
[01:23] <jief> stuNNed: i'm thinking of packaging my own server distro soon. based on debian
[01:23] <|trey|> the_one, I think its off topic...
[01:23] <epod> jief, I have a 3.2 p4 w/ 1gb ram, so it's so a 1% that is so minimal it's not funny
[01:23] <bob2> the_one: it's not ubuntu
[01:24] <jief> epod: i installed gentoo on my amd64 for kicks and giggles. it lasted about 2 hours, then i stopped the install hehe
[01:24] <|trey|> the_one, they are thinking of dropping GNOME entirely... thats just not a good thing imo...
[01:24] <jief> they should go xfce4
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> the_one: I used slackware 6-7 years ago
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> the_one: not anymore.
[01:25] <|trey|> jief, I've wasted 2 weeks of my life to that distro.
[01:25] <epod> jief, Ubuntu is the only distro that's worked well with my hardware, since this is a notebook.  *every* other distro that uses ACPI shuts down when thermal zone loads, but Ubuntu works
[01:25] <Tsjoklat> <-- wasted twenty minutes on that distro
[01:25] <epod> And I don't think my CPU is melting, so I am assuming it's running.
[01:25] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, you hardly missed anything, its still the same old thing...
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> epod: ubuntu had a lot of work on laptops
[01:25] <the_one> can't download screenshot...I click accept and nothing happens..wtf
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: precisely
[01:25] <jief> our devel at work develops OpenNA, a security-oriented server distro
[01:25] <jief> only drawback, it uses rpms
[01:25] <jief> i want to do the same but based on debian
[01:26] <the_one> cardador, can't get your screenshot
[01:26] <FLeiXiuS> jief, you can convert rpms to deb's
[01:26] <bob2> "security-oriented" as in containing tools for security, or aiming to be secure/
[01:26] <FLeiXiuS> jief, man alien
[01:26] <the_one> don't know what's wrong
[01:26] <jief> FLeiXiuS: i know, but he uses some packages i disagree with
[01:26] <cardador> the_one: im trying again
[01:27] <epod> cardador, nice :)
[01:27] <cardador> ;)
[01:27] <the_one> I see, it says waiting, the first one says connect..still nothing
[01:27] <epod> cardador, can I msg you about k3b?  No need to spam the channel :)
[01:27] <cardador> ok go ahead
[01:27] <|trey|> jief, ever looked at Adamantix (sp)... used to be known as Trusted Debian... its a project working on making Debian as secure as possible...
[01:27] <cardador> the_one: ill try other approach
[01:28] <the_one> ok
[01:28] <jief> |trey|: i'm the kind of guy that likes to do it himself
[01:28] <jief> and learning's always nice
[01:28] <|trey|> jief, I'm the kinda guy that likes to play with things that work already  ;)
[01:28] <|trey|> I find it less frustrating  :)
[01:29] <jief> |trey|: i'm going to release something on sourceforge.net soon
[01:29] <jief> i'm also working on a rescue live cd that isn't cluttered with useless crap
[01:29] <|trey|> jief, cool  :)
[01:29] <jief> iwul (installing windows using linux) should be released on SF anytime soon
[01:29] <jief> i just have to fix some minor bugs and complete the docs
[01:29] <the_one> since I saw you guys talking bout gentoo, I remember one friend of mine had his pc perform some tasks in debian vs. his friend's pc in gentoo, and gentoo didn't come ahead, even if compiled/heavily optimized
[01:30] <|trey|> jief, why would you want to do that?
[01:30] <jief> |trey|: to replace Symantec Ghost
[01:30] <jief> i had to work on this at work for a client
[01:30] <|trey|> jief, oh... seems wierd  :o
[01:30] <jief> well, works well
[01:30] <jief> my system can be used to deploy any OS actually
[01:31] <jief> as long as it sports a supported FS
[01:31] <|trey|> jief, that sounds more useful... GPL?
[01:31] <jief> yeah
[01:31] <jief> i just packaged some already available software together. wrote the how-to
[01:31] <stuNNed> jief, supports mac fs as well?
[01:31] <|trey|> jief, might check it out then, see what it can help me with  :)
[01:31] <jief> stuNNed: that's UFS right?
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> the_one: yeah, the 'optimise' thing is a wank
[01:31] <|trey|> stuNNed, you mean HFS(+)
[01:32] <stuNNed> |trey|, jief: yeah, HFS
[01:32] <|trey|> jief, no, thats BSD's fs...
[01:32] <jief> hmm, lemme double-check
[01:32] <the_one> time to go to sleep..2.31AM..wanna tweak some more my new ubuntu, can't push the power off button..what's wrong with me?:)
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> er
[01:33] <Pizbit> Heh, ubuntu is here too:) http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=16580&file1=16580-1.png&file2=16580-2.png&file3=&name=Penguins.+All+together+now.+Wallpaper
[01:33] <jief> stuNNed: yes, partimage supports HFS
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> Pizbit: jeje
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> liek carebears
[01:33] <Pizbit> Pass on why they have fuses though.
[01:33] <|trey|> jief, HFS+ = a bridge between HFS and UFS, due to most tools in Darwin expecting UFS, and most Mac apps expecting HFS... very wierd setup but I guess it works...
[01:33] <stuNNed> jief, ok, might could use that in mac labs here at school, currently using netrestore which is limited to unicast
[01:34] <|trey|> jief, its funny, one is case sensitive, one isn't... must have been a lot of fun to fix that...
[01:34] <jief> |trey|: wait til MS releases WinFS, that's just plain weird
[01:34] <the_one> see you soon, thanks for the help
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> jief: except that winFS has been pushed to not even be in longhorn
[01:34] <jief> HrdwrBoB: yeah
[01:34] <the_one> bye
[01:34] <|trey|> jief, not really.. it just sits on top of NTFS, and holds meta-data for common file types... makes it easier to find shit...
[01:34] <stuNNed> cya the_one
[01:35] <djtansey> i have a problem re: k3b and am looking for some insight. cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc -audio -pad *.wav works when i have a directory of .wav files. but k3b doesn't work. it lists my CD/RW drive as "writes CDs: no" (though it says it writes cd/rws). any guesses?
[01:35] <jief> problem is, i haven't tried to image a machine with multiple partitions, but that could be done i'm sure
[01:35] <|trey|> s/$hit/stuff/ sorry
[01:35] <jief> you'd have to write a small bash script to create the partitions first i guess
[01:35] <stuNNed> jief, does it support multicast or unicast or both?
[01:36] <|trey|> jief, Novell is actually working on something very simular to WinFS as part of iFolder... seems interesting...  :)
[01:37] <|trey|> Can't for the life of me recall what it was called though... Simian I think maybe?
[01:37] <jief> |trey|: well, i have this promo DVD kit from novell. they have scripts to setup everything, exept LDAP. which bugs me to no end. i never came around to setup all their nice stuff because of that
[01:37] <jief> stuNNed: i believe it does
[01:37] <jief> but multicast generates too much traffic. i prefer unicast
[01:38] <stuNNed> jief, yes however unicast here is slow as molasses if more than 2 or 3 clients
[01:38] <|trey|> jief, mDNS is my new best friend  :)
[01:38] <stuNNed> jief, and no gigabit network just 100mb
[01:38] <jief> stuNNed: i double-checked, partimage doesn't support multicast yet. its in the works
[01:39] <jief> later |trey|
[01:39] <stuNNed> jief, ah ok then :)
[01:39] <stuNNed> good luck with it |trey|
[01:39] <jief> in our test lab at work, with a gigabit switch with a 4GB backplane, we can deploy windows in less than 4 minutes to clients
[01:39] <|trey|> jief, later    stuNNed, thanks  :)
[01:40] <bob2> I'd have thought you'd be limited by disk bandwidth
[01:40] <stuNNed> jief, yes, unicast is okay if gigabit network i guess, never had one to play with :)
[01:40] <jief> stuNNed: actually, i almost brought a network down to its knee using symantec ghost in multicast mode. the cat2324 didn't keep up
[01:40] <encKe`> is anyone here using gmail yet?
[01:40] <jief> bob2: doesn't take much to push about 1GB
[01:40] <bob2> encKe`: lots of people have been using it for months
[01:41] <jief> nice thing about partimage, it compress/uncompress stuff on the fly
[01:41] <bob2> jief: 4 minutes is 4.8GB, best case
[01:41] <linux_mafia> encKe`, only to experiment with gmailfs
[01:41] <stuNNed> jief, yes but on a 100mb network with multicast, can image a whole lab (16 computers) in 15-20 minutes.
[01:41] <encKe`> just wonderin what all the hoopla is about
[01:41] <encKe`> lol
[01:42] <jief> stuNNed: that's fine as long as you don't have users trying to surf the web
[01:42] <stuNNed> encKe`, lol, i can give you an invite if you wish to find out, think i have one
[01:42] <jief> in a prod environment, multicast is not an option
[01:42] <jief> i'm trying to fill up my gmail account. i'm fowarding 2 mail accounts to it
[01:42] <encKe`> stuNNed , that would be cool if you wouldnt mind :)
[01:43] <stuNNed> encKe`, np at all
[01:43] <jief> you know what's cool? vmware
[01:43] <jief> i'm about to get rid of all my boxens at home, and buy a dual-xeon with 4 gigs of ram and a raid. all virtual machines
[01:43] <jief> saves lot of space too
[01:44] <bob2> that seems like overkill
[01:44] <jief> as soon as you have 2-3 GUIs running, it tends to slow down
[01:44] <bob2> so don't run 2-3?
[01:45] <epod> Is there a way to add another location to the gnome panel weather applet?
[01:45] <jief> well, i often use vmware for testing
[01:45] <jief> i setup a virtual lan, with a few machines
[01:45] <bob2> epod: add another instance of the applet
[01:45] <epod> bob2, no, I mean, I want to add my city to it
[01:45] <bob2> epod: ah
[01:46] <bob2> epod: hrm, I think you'd need to file a bug, it'd require source changes
[01:46] <jief> epod: isn't there a city close to you in there?
[01:46] <lino> join #ubuntu-it
[01:46] <epod> jief, no, they're all down south
[01:46] <lino> join #ubuntu-it
[01:46] <lino> join #ubuntu
[01:46] <lino> join #ubuntu
[01:47] <lev> lino: you need to put a / in front of join
[01:47] <bob2> lino: you need a / there
[01:47] <EfaistOs> hi
[01:47] <lev> lino: that is, /join #ubuntu
[01:47] <linux_mafia> epod, norway?
[01:47] <lino> got it :)
[01:47] <EfaistOs> warty is stable ?
[01:47] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[01:47] <EfaistOs> and what is sid ?
[01:47] <jief> EfaistOs: yes
[01:47] <ogra> epod: iceland ?
[01:47] <bob2> EfaistOs: sid is part of Debian, not ubuntu
[01:47] <lino> sorry, I use irc just once a year or so...
[01:47] <jief> EfaistOs: sid is for debian, meaning "still in development"
[01:48] <lev> or sid the character from Toy Story... :-)
[01:48] <EfaistOs> bob2, ok but what's the name in ubuntu of the unstable ?
[01:48] <epod> ogra, northern canada, but yeah
[01:48] <bob2> EfaistOs: hoary
[01:48] <EfaistOs> i know what sid means :p
[01:48] <socomm> lino: you already are on #ubuntu
[01:48] <ogra> epod: just guessed ;)
[01:48] <jief> epod: where from in canada? i'm from montreal
[01:48] <epod> jief, I'm in northern BC near the NWT
[01:48] <Pugio> hello
[01:49] <Pugio> I'm installing ubuntu for the first time and I need a little help
[01:49] <EfaistOs> bob2, and is it stable or not ? i mean i used a sid for my workstation and everything was okay ...
[01:49] <jief> epod: oh i love BC. i went to whistler a lot in the past. and to banff, ab
[01:49] <lev> Pugio: what's your problem?
[01:49] <Pugio> I've gotten up to the Partition disks stage
[01:49] <Pugio> and I want to make sure I don't erase my drive
[01:49] <epod> jief: cool :)
[01:49] <EfaistOs> bob2, i just switched from debian sid to ubuntu ...
[01:49] <jief> i love sunshine mountain
[01:49] <EfaistOs> i just kept my home partition ...
[01:49] <epod> jief, of course, nothig up in this part of the country is listed in the applet, heh
[01:49] <jief> epod: obviously haha
[01:50] <bob2> epod: it's unstable...probably no more so than sid now
[01:50] <spacey`ki> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuArtwork/view?searchterm=image%20logo
[01:50] <bob2> EfaistOs: ^^
[01:50] <Pugio> well, unfortunatly the entire 20gb is being used
[01:50] <spacey`ki> it says attachments
[01:50] <Pugio> is there any way to take a bit of that out and use it for ubuntu
[01:50] <spacey`ki> but i dont see any images or dl links
[01:50] <Pugio> without erasing whats on there?
[01:50] <spacey`ki> how does that wiki work? ;/
[01:50] <jief> as anyone had problems with encrypting emails using evolution-2 + gnupg in ubuntu?
[01:50] <EfaistOs> bob2, and about the stability of the hoarty version ?
[01:50] <lev> Pugio: there is, but it might ruin the data. resizing partitions is tricky business in my experience...
[01:50] <bob2> EfaistOs: "hoary"
[01:50] <EfaistOs> s/hoarty/hoary
[01:50] <Pugio> ahhh
[01:50] <EfaistOs> i'm new :p
[01:51] <bob2> EfaistOs: nothing seems horribly broken atm
[01:51] <Pugio> well then, no ubuntu for me right now
[01:51] <EfaistOs> bob2, ok ...
[01:51] <lev> Pugio: you can run it from the live cd until you can get a new harddrive :-)
[01:51] <Pugio> true
[01:51] <EfaistOs> i like that the fu*!: ati drivers work really good ...
[01:51] <Pugio> right now all I have is the install cd tho
[01:51] <epod> ah, work is almost over for the day
[01:51] <Pugio> I didn't see a link to the live CD
[01:51] <Pugio> oops nm
[01:51] <jief> EfaistOs: ati drivers working well? since when?
[01:51] <EfaistOs> you made good work ...
[01:51] <Pugio> I forgot, the live disk dosen't work on PPC
[01:52] <lev> Pugio: i see...
[01:52] <EfaistOs> jief, i mean they work :p it's already a good thing :p
[01:52] <jief> they're even bad on windows
[01:52] <epod> the ubuntu instructions for the ATI drivers made it SO easy to install them
[01:52] <Pugio> yeah:(
[01:52] <Pugio> It would be great to have a PPC live cd
[01:53] <q2> My Take On Ubuntu:  It SO Stable, I have had no problems!  Therefore, it gets boring......... I LOVE YOU UBUNTU!
[01:53] <jief> you could always break it then fix it
[01:53] <jief> that's always fun
[01:53] <q2> lol
[01:53] <q2> i might just have to
[01:53] <Pugio> hmmm
[01:53] <Striss> just leave a note on your fridge that says "rm -rf on my computer please"
[01:54] <Pugio> from what I hear that migh be harder to do
[01:54] <Striss> somebody will eventually come in and do it
[01:54] <epod> haha
[01:54] <Pugio> it doesn't work
[01:54] <Striss> then you'll have problems
[01:54] <Pugio> didn't you read the article?
[01:54] <epod> they'd have to 'sudo rm -rf
[01:54] <epod> ;)
[01:54] <Pugio> :)
[01:54] <Striss> haha ok my note is useless
[01:54] <jief> Pugio: the one on osnews.com? :P
[01:54] <Pugio> think so
[01:54] <jief> it works better on linux than windows though
[01:54] <Pugio> I went to it from /.
[01:54] <Pugio> right
[01:54] <jief> because windows locks files and linux doesn't
[01:54] <Pugio> the pink screen of doom
[01:54] <Pugio> !!!
[01:55] <Pugio> much cooler than the BSoD
[01:55] <Pugio> and it has all those pretty lines in it too
[01:55] <epod> ok, good night folks
[01:56] <SaintJerome> could someone please tell me where I can edit grub in ubuntu?
[01:56] <stuNNed> SaintJerome, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:56] <SaintJerome> to add another hard drive
[01:56] <SaintJerome> thanks you
[01:56] <Pugio> mmmmmm grub
[01:56] <SaintJerome> thank*
[01:56] <usual> i am looking at the artwork page
[01:56] <baluba> q2, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[01:56] <usual> it mentions an attatchment for grub image
[01:57] <usual> but there is no link to click on
[01:57] <usual> why is that
[01:58] <q2> baluba: LOL!
[01:59] <Pugio> my disk, my disk for a Live CD
[02:01] <q2> The Names GNome, Ubuntu Gnome
[02:07] <stuNNed> how do i list files installed by a .deb?
[02:07] <bob2> dpkg -L packagename
[02:08] <bob2> the name of the package, not the filename of the .deb
[02:08] <jdub> stuNNed: dpkg-deb -c <file>.deb
[02:09] <stuNNed> jdub, bob2: got it, both works :D
[02:12] <SaintJerome> hmm
[02:12] <SaintJerome> damnit, it won't let me boot into windows anymore
[02:12] <jief> you need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:12] <jief> to add an option for Windows
[02:12] <SaintJerome> I knowe
[02:13] <SaintJerome> the hard drive itself is having issues
[02:13] <SaintJerome> has been for a while
[02:13] <jief> get a new one
[02:13] <EfaistOs> there is no galeon in ubuntu ?
[02:14] <bob2> EfaistOs: yes
[02:14] <EfaistOs> i didnt find it
[02:14] <bob2> "yes, you're right, it's not in ubuntu"
[02:14] <linux_mafia> heh
[02:15] <EfaistOs> but it's in debian
[02:15] <linux_mafia> ubuntu needs a "man universe"
[02:16] <Pizbit> hehe
[02:16] <bob2> it's not in universe, either
[02:16] <ogra> linux_mafia: great idea !!
[02:16] <linux_mafia> no shiz, i thought it was, my bad
[02:16] <lev> EfaistOs: i've had pretty good luck just taking sid .debs and installing them under ubuntu
[02:16] <baluba> hei ogra
[02:16] <Skif> anybody here using whereami?
[02:16] <RuffianSoldier> anyone here know a good amount about Libranet?  I am always in the LN channel but no one is alive right now, and i need help
[02:16] <ogra> baluba: hi
[02:16] <linux_mafia> but a universe/multiverse man page could be good
[02:17] <ogra> yep...
[02:18] <GOwin> i'm trying to do a smart upgrade via synaptics from 1.0 PR to final. i get an error when it comes to postgresql
[02:18] <GOwin> setting up postgresql
[02:18] <GOwin> pg_hba.conf contains a field after the authentication specification; the file is corrupt or has already been converted .......
[02:18] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: then ask on their list or such, it's off-topic here
[02:21] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, ummm... i need help now
[02:21] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: probably try #linuxhelp
[02:21] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: or ##linux or something
[02:22] <jcole> is it possible to preseed the ubuntu installer? same as with the debian installer? any how tos anywhere on this?
[02:22] <bob2> it's possible in d-i already?
[02:23] <kevii> anyone know of a CLI AIM client thats in the ubuntu distro?
[02:24] <bob2> centericq, pork
[02:25] <kevii> pork wasn't in my apt-cache :/
[02:25] <Nafallo> downgrading to warty again :-P
[02:25] <bob2> hm, well, it's in hoary at least
[02:25] <kevii> used pork in debian sarge
[02:25] <Scognito> Nafallo, why?
[02:26] <WX> anyone here running a postfix server w/ mysql support? preferrably using postfix.admin also ;)
[02:26] <Nafallo> hoary is way to much updates and menuitems doesn't get added when I install things.
[02:26] <bob2> WX: yes
[02:26] <bob2> Nafallo: yes, the same as for msot software in warty
[02:26] <jdub> Nafallo: only software that includes .desktop files will be added to the menus
[02:26] <WX> hey bob2: can u help me get mine working by chance? i'd be glad to make a donation to ya for your time
[02:27] <Nafallo> jdub: well, then gftp has lost that feature and some network package has got it :-P.
[02:27] <Nafallo> me don't want Network places in two menus :-P
[02:27] <bob2> WX: http://kirby.insanegenius.net/postfix.html
[02:27] <bob2> WX: that worked for me every time
[02:28] <bob2> WX: if you need postfix-specific help, #postfix would probably be a better place to try
[02:28] <jief> http://www.workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/
[02:29] <jdub> Nafallo: hoary is a development branch... things like that are bound to happen.
[02:29] <jief> this is a very good how-to for isp-like MTAs
[02:30] <Nafallo> jdub: don't get me wrong. I know that. the main reason I upgraded was to stop firefox from crashing when using forms, and that didn't happen so... ;-).
[02:30] <WX> bob2: does this install work with postfix admin?
[02:30] <ogra> Nafallo: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000005.html
[02:30] <bob2> WX: I don't know what "postfix admin" is.
[02:31] <WX> bob2: a tool for adding/removing users
[02:31] <WX> in mysql
[02:31] <WX> php-based
[02:31] <bob2> I don't know
[02:32] <Nafallo> ogra: what about it? :-)
[02:32] <ogra> Nafallo: stability info .... on hoary ?
[02:33] <Nafallo> ogra: I KNOW it's not stable damn it :-P. I've used debian for years :-).
[02:34] <ogra> Nafallo: i ve seen sid breaking badly.....used it though
[02:34] <ogra> on desktops
[02:34] <Nafallo> ogra: hehe, that one of sids main feutures though :-P
[02:34] <Nafallo> s/feu/fea/
[02:34] <ogra> :)
[02:34] <kevii> hmm no cli aim clients in ubuntu
[02:35] <Nafallo> ogra: I used testing, but I think it's time to let my amd64 fly for a bit ;-).
[02:36] <ogra> Nafallo: sorry, 2:30 am here, need to work tomorrow :(
[02:36] <ogra> bye
[02:36] <Nafallo> ogra: nightie :-)
[02:37] <Nafallo> he is in the same timezone as I am :-P
[02:37] <Nafallo> and almost got the same nick/name as my server ;-)
[02:38] <jcole> does anyone have the md5sum for warty-release-install-i386.iso?
[02:40] <aitrus> it's on the website
[02:41] <aitrus> http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/MD5SUMS
[02:41] <jcole> aitrus: great, thanks
[02:47] <mirak_> kevii, ???
[02:56] <mirak_> room dead?
[02:56] <Nafallo> mirak_: yepp
[02:56] <mirak_> lol
[03:01] <LinuxJones> night all :)
[03:10] <yohannes> can anyone recommend any app to create/open *.rar file?
[03:10] <Hikaru79> yohannes, why not WinRAR?
[03:10] <Hikaru79> http://www.rarlab.com/
[03:10] <yohannes> i am trying to weight my option. any other apps?
[03:10] <Hikaru79> Just download RAR 3.41 for Linux
[03:10] <Hikaru79> Oh
[03:10] <Hikaru79> I see
[03:10] <Hikaru79> Only one I know of, sorry =(
[03:11] <yohannes> btw, how can i install that darn thing? :)
[03:11] <yohannes> i downloaded winrar, does not have any instruction to install
[03:11] <Nafallo> file-roller
[03:11] <yohannes> i suspect i need to do something with the makefile included
[03:18] <blocke> hi... is anyone elses laptop spinning down the hard drive after like one second of inactivity since updating in the last few days?  its driving me nuts and I'm afraid of damage to the hard drive :(
[03:20] <Nafallo> blocke: 5 seconds. that's the minimum you can have. hdparm -S 1 that is :-).
[03:20] <blocke> any idea what is setting it by default in ubuntu?
[03:20] <Nafallo> blocke: /etc/acpi/power.sh
[03:20] <blocke> it didn't used to be so short on this laptop until I upgraded to hoary... can't be good for the hard drive
[03:21] <GnuHippy> the gimp ScriptFU filters are broken in hoary
[03:21] <Nafallo> blocke: it makes battery time :-P
[03:21] <Nafallo> blocke: in warty default is 12.
[03:21] <blocke> yeah I see that, strange
[03:21] <blocke> its not respecting it
[03:22] <blocke> its literally spinning down after a second of inactivity
[03:22] <Nafallo> blocke: sudo hdparm -i /dev/hda
[03:24] <blocke> http://www.pastebin.com/116669
[03:25] <GnuHippy> wow it is scary how much work they have done on hoary already and how fast updates and fixes are made
[03:25] <jdub> GnuHippy: that's largely merging with sid.
[03:25] <GnuHippy> Do they have 1000 Keebler elves working around the clock?
[03:25] <GnuHippy> ic jdub
[03:26] <GnuHippy> was Sarge released yet?
[03:26] <usual> hey jdub, how goes it
[03:26] <usual> sarge wont be released until i have grandkids
[03:27] <GnuHippy> I'll take that as a no
[03:27] <blocke> gah... stop spinning down!
[03:27] <Nafallo> blocke: hmm, that didn't say spindown time :-P. well, sudo hdparm -S 12 /dev/hda does what you want :-).
[03:27] <blocke> I did that several minutes ago
[03:27] <ud> In universe there is fluxbox_0.1.14-4_i386.deb and fluxbox_0.9.9-1_i386.deb but i can only manage to apt 0.1.14-4. How can I get the 0.9.9-1 release?
[03:28] <ajmitch> great, I have about 10 packages in universe for hoary :)
[03:29] <KentutMerah> ud, dpkg ?
[03:29] <ud> umm.. I use apt-get. But should I try dpkg?
[03:30] <jdub> ud: 0.9.9 is most likely the hoary version, not the warty version
[03:30] <jdub> ud: dpkg won't help you
[03:30] <jdub> (well, it could, but it's not advisable)
[03:30] <ud> ahh but its in the the same repo?
[03:31] <jdub> it's in the same pool
[03:31] <jdub> all the warty and hoary packages are in the same pool
[03:31] <ud> ahh ok
[03:31] <jdub> but they're for different releases
[03:31] <ud> I wondered if that was the case
[03:32] <ud> Because it wouldnt show the newer release with apt-cache search
[03:32] <ud> Is there a way I can use the newer release?
[03:33] <jdub> ud: hoary is the development branch
[03:34] <jdub> ud: unless you're very familiar with debian, i wouldn't recommend it
[03:34] <Nafallo> ud: there is, but as jdub just said, it's not advisible :-).
[03:34] <ud> ok thanks for your help, ill just have to wait :)
[03:35] <CPayan> brettcar: sad
[03:37] <blocke> hmm I had to hdparm -B 255 to stop the spinning down, oh well, at least I have a workaround
[03:38] <Nafallo> blocke: hehe
[03:38] <Striss> hey guys, I just installed Fluxbox, and I"m running it...all the fonts in my gnome apps look kinda gross now
[03:38] <Striss> they don't look like they did in gnome
[03:41] <dopey> fluxbox is in ubuntu?
[03:41] <jdub> dopey: in universe, of course.
[03:41] <dopey> that makes more sense
[03:41] <djtansey> does anyone here have k3b experience? i can record things with cdrecord but k3b won't let me (did k3bsetup and all and it seems happy. but k3b says my device isn't a cd writer)
[03:41] <dopey> i thought universe was unsupported though
[03:41] <jdub> it is
[03:42] <Nafallo> djtansey: k3b won't work with kernel 2.6.8|2.6.8.1
[03:43] <djtansey> Nafallo: so go back to 2.6.7?
[03:44] <Nafallo> djtansey: yepp, or upgrade to 2.6.9
[03:44] <CPayan> hmm progression or regression
[03:44] <djtansey> Nafallo: thanks. i'll see if ubuntu has 2.6.9 packaged
[03:44] <jdub> it will work with the ubuntu kernel
[03:44] <djtansey> jdub: k3b will?
[03:44] <jdub> no, there's no 2.6.9 in warty or hoary
[03:44] <jdub> yes
[03:45] <jdub> there are plenty of people using it
[03:45] <Nafallo> jdub: never worked with ANY 2.6 for me :-P
[03:45] <djtansey> jdub: then any guess as to what the problem is?
[03:45] <Nafallo> jdub: that's with both ubuntu and debian kernels.
[03:45] <jdub> dunno if there's a FAQ or something on the website, but it would make sense to check
[03:45] <djtansey> jdub: i did. nothing i could find that was related
[03:45] <Nafallo> opss, typo! 2.6.8* ;-)
[03:46] <djtansey> jdub: other than some k3bsetup .ICEauthority issues
[03:46] <djtansey> Nafallo: but it works with 2.6.7 for you?
[03:46] <Nafallo> jdub: k3b and 2.6.8|2.6.8.1 on both my computers with burners fail.
[03:46] <Nafallo> djtansey: yes.
[03:47] <Nafallo> djtansey: and it should be fixed in 2.6.9 also :-)
[03:47] <jdub> Nafallo: the ubuntu kernels do not have those bugs.
[03:47] <djtansey> Nafallo: thanks.
[03:48] <jdub> plenty of other people are using k3b with ubuntu
[03:48] <Nafallo> jdub: how come when I TRIED with ubuntu k3b couldn't see my burner?
[03:48] <Nafallo> jdub: same thing with my girlfriend.
[03:48] <jdub> i don't know your particular circumstances
[03:48] <jdub> i can only relate what i know
[03:48] <Nafallo> it just doesn't work :-)
[03:48] <Nafallo> jdub: same here.
[03:48] <jdub> that may be true in your case
[03:48] <jdub> but it is not the case for many other users
[03:50] <Nafallo> jdub: maybe it's just drive specific?
[03:50] <jdub> i don't know
[03:50] <Nafallo> jdub: but then, I got both a samsung and a toshiba ;-).
[03:51] <Nafallo> it might be that I'm running my cd-rws as ide-cd :-)
[03:51] <djtansey> Nafallo: but i can use cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc without problem. you'd think k3b would be equally capable
[03:52] <Nafallo> djtansey: yepp, I've given up on the subject anyway :-P. ubuntu showed me the way nautilus does it :-P.
[03:52] <phill> Hi, I have a rather long question, so I have posted it here on the ubuntu forums. If anyone here has any answers to it, I would very much appreciate the help!
[03:52] <phill> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11009#post11009
[03:52] <djtansey> Nafallo: usually that's what i do. unfortunately i am burning audio CDs for a roadtrip :)
[03:53] <ajmitch> djtansey: running k3b with sudo?
[03:54] <ajmitch> not that it should matter with the patched kernel
[03:54] <djtansey> ajmitch: no. but i gave k3b my root password so those apps have root permissions
[03:54] <Nafallo> phill: my friend installed that on his lappy yesterday. he just had to apt-get and s/ati/fglrx/ :-)
[03:55] <Nafallo> phill: and then restart x and gdm ofcourse :-)
[03:55] <Nafallo> djtansey: k3b doesn't have root permissions.
[03:55] <Nafallo> djtansey: cdrecord and cdrdao have :-).
[03:56] <phill> hi, ok, how do i restard x/gdm?
[03:57] <djtansey> Nafallo: that's why i meants by "those apps." would giving k3b root help? (not that it matters now. i just finished my last CD using cdrecord)
[03:57] <Nafallo> phill: logout from X, when you're at the login screen, press CTRL+F1, login and typ sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> ctrl+alt+f1
[03:59] <Nafallo> HrdwrBoB: thanks :-)
[03:59] <phill> ok will give it a go :)
[03:59] <phill> so i don't need to apt-get install linux-686 or whatever the binarydriverhowto said?
[04:00] <Nafallo> ahh, yes. you have to switch kernel to :-).
[04:00] <Nafallo> phill: that makes it easier, because you have to restart to make the new kernel load ;-).
[04:01] <ghc> Hi all. Is this a good place to ask for some technical help on installing ubuntu on some hardware which is being difficult?
[04:02] <Striss> woo fluxbox is working perfect
[04:02] <Striss> ubuntu is so great
[04:02] <phill> i have to what? :(
[04:02] <ghc> I've got an IBM ThinkCenter with a SATA chipset which I can't get working.
[04:02] <Nafallo> phill: follow the howto :-)
[04:02] <phill> ok
[04:03] <Gmail> bob2: i am going to /msg you now
[04:04] <phill> since i'm using a 386 kernel at the moment i should just get that and it will replace my current one?
[04:04] <Nafallo> phill: you need to run 686 yes.
[04:04] <phill> oh
[04:04] <phill> i need to get linux-686
[04:04] <phill> ?
[04:04] <Nafallo> yes
[04:05] <phill> and then make sure grub uses that?
[04:05] <phill> at what point do i reboot? after the kernel installs and then continue isntalling fglrx after i have linux-686 going? will linux-686 pickup my nvidia agpgart?
[04:07] <usual> can I do a cryptoloop on my root running reiserfs?
[04:07] <Nafallo> phill: install linux-686 and fglrx-driver, then sed then reboot and it will work.
[04:11] <phill> natfallo: alright. last time i tried x wouldn't start :( but i'll give it another shot
[04:11] <Nafallo> last time, did you have i686-kernel?
[04:11] <phill> yes
[04:11] <phill> i did the guide
[04:14] <cuga> Hey i just noticed this, ubuntu's ssh server is called openserver-ssh... is it still openssh just rebranded ?
[04:14] <bob2> cuga: no it's not
[04:14] <bob2> it's called openssh-server
[04:14] <bob2> it is openssh.
[04:14] <Elroy-J> lol
[04:15] <cuga> bob2: man, i must be dislexic.. if i could spell it
[04:16] <HrdwrBoB> dyslexis
[04:16] <HrdwrBoB> dyslexic
[04:16] <HrdwrBoB> I can spell, just not type
[04:16] <cuga> i was only off by one letter.. tahts hot
[04:20] <_timello> sorry, but I lost my link, repeating the question: anybody knows why I can't play any .mpg, etc? it shows me the sound, but not shows me the screen
[04:21] <bob2> RestrictedFormats on the wiki
[04:21] <Nafallo> _timello: probably missing codecs
[04:21] <Nafallo> hmm
[04:22] <Nafallo> anyone else got troubles with docbook-dsssl?
[04:22] <Nafallo> version 1.57-4
[04:22] <Nafallo> typo
[04:22] <Nafallo> version 1.78-4
[04:24] <danhunt> check http://www.desktopos.com/reviews.php?op=PrintReview&id=21 for .mpg tips.
[04:24] <Nafallo> hmm, odd
[04:24] <Nafallo> it works now :-P
[04:25] <Nafallo> finally I'm on warty again ;-)
[04:26] <Nafallo> takes a bit more to downgrade through aptitude than upgrade ;-)
[04:29] <_timello> danhunt, I installed mplayer and the essential codecs package, but it still isn't working. I didn't find why
[04:30] <Nafallo> _timello: run mplayer from a terminal and check the output?
[04:34] <_timello> it shows errors like: can't open ~/.mplayer/codecs.conf, font, but I don't think so that it is the real problem
[04:34] <bob2> it's not an error, it's a warning
[04:35] <_timello> yes, sorry
[04:35] <billytwowilly> how do I enable panel support in xchat?
[04:42] <timello> maybe has a package for X that allows it? Totem doesn't show me nothing either
[04:43] <timello> I'm using a nvidia gforce mx440
[04:44] <Pizbit> billytwowilly: panel support = ?
[04:45] <Pizbit> timello: You installed the w32codecs package eh? Tried changing from totem-gst to totem-xine ?
[04:46] <timello> Pizbit, just for mplayer... I' ll go try
[04:46] <Pizbit> (although personally I use xine)
[04:47] <timello> apt-get install xine-ui?
[04:48] <Pizbit> Yeah
[04:49] <Nafallo> WTF!
[04:49] <janice> Hi All! I took the plunge and installed Ubuntu. However, I need some help.
[04:49] <nomasteryoda> excellent
[04:49] <Nafallo> @ogre:/mnt/mirrors/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gnutls10$ ls -al
[04:49] <Nafallo> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           77 2004-11-02 22:07 libgnutls10-dev_1.0.4-3ubuntu1_amd64.deb -> ../../../../pool/universe/g/gnutls10/libgnutls10-dev_1.0.4-3ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[04:49] <benh`> is it possible (or desirable) to dist-upgrade to hoary?
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> benh`: yes and maybe
[04:50] <benh`> ok, just s/wart/hoary in sources.list?
[04:50] <timello> Pizbit, it comes with codecs?
[04:50] <nomasteryoda> HrdwrBoB: Ubuntu has given me excellent results with TVtime too
[04:50] <nomasteryoda> much better on my old wintv card
[04:50] <nomasteryoda> than mandrake
[04:50] <bob2> benh`: are you willing to deal with broken things and to file bug reports?
[04:50] <janice> I have an unsupported USRobotics wireless PCI card and I need to use ndiswrapper. Unfortunately, the install cd (Warty 4.10 Full Release) does not have ndiswrapper. What is the URL from the ubutnu website that I can download it from?
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> good to hear :)
[04:51] <HrdwrBoB> janice: if you start synaptic
[04:51] <HrdwrBoB> and you enable 'restricted'
[04:51] <HrdwrBoB> you can install ndiswrapper
[04:51] <benh`> bob2, depends on how broken and yes
[04:51] <Skif> Are SATA cards mostly equivalent, or do some suck more than others, Linux-compatibility-wise?
[04:51] <janice> HrdwrBoB: Yes, I tried synaptic. But ndiswrapper does not show up.
[04:51] <HrdwrBoB> Skif: HUGEW variation
[04:51] <bob2> benh`: would you run debian unstable?
[04:51] <HrdwrBoB> janice: you have to modify the repositories
[04:51] <HrdwrBoB> and enable restricted
[04:51] <bob2> janice: it's in the wiki
[04:52] <Pizbit> timello: Nah, but it uses the ones from the w32codecs package
[04:52] <Pizbit> Well, it might actually, not sure
[04:52] <benh`> bob2, i have in the past -- i dont care too much as long as dependencies are filled out
[04:52] <janice> HrdwrBoB: I checked the repository and it is set to the CDROM drive, which is correct.
[04:52] <Skif> HrdwrBoB: so, which ones suck less than others?
[04:52] <Pizbit> benh`: It's not desirable unless you really know how to fix stuff
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> janice: you need to add the warty web based repository
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> this should be there, just disabled
[04:53] <janice> bob2: I have read the wiki but it only says to use synaptic to download and install ndiswrapper. It doesn't say what to do if the user does not have internet access or if it not on the CDRom (hehe)
[04:53] <HrdwrBoB> Skif: I'm not 100% sure, most of them are ok now tbh, but some have weird issues
[04:53] <bob2> janice: you have no other network access?
[04:53] <janice> HrdwrBoB: I don't have internet access, which is why I need ndiswrapper.
[04:53] <Skif> HrdwrBoB: so, do you know which have said "weird issues"?
[04:53] <benh`> Pizbit, well, what should i expect to be broken?
[04:53] <Skif> or, alternatively, where I should look to find this out?
[04:53] <nomasteryoda> janice, ouchie
[04:53] <janice> I have internet access on this other machine, that I am using now.
[04:53] <Pizbit> benh`: Anything, literally
[04:53] <HrdwrBoB> janice: you seem to have access now?
[04:54] <HrdwrBoB> I can find the URL for you though
[04:54] <desp_> hi
[04:54] <desp_> is there a reason why I can't find MPlayer in synaptic?
[04:54] <Nafallo> janice: download packages and burn them on cd? :-)
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> janice, do you have a way to network them?
[04:54] <Pizbit> desp_: You need to put in the marillat repository
[04:54] <janice> HrdwrBoB: True, but this is a completely different machine. It is my wife's machine. So, my name isn't really Janice (hehe)
[04:54] <desp_> Pizbit: along with universe and multiverse?
[04:54] <janice> Nafallo: Yes, I would like to do that!
[04:54] <desp_> what other repositories are available?
[04:54] <benh`> desp_, www.apt-get.org
[04:55] <Pizbit> desp_: Those would help:) Enable multiverse too mplayer -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> janice: heh
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-386_2.6.8.1.3-4_i386.deb
[04:55] <phill> do i need to put Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no" into my XF86Config-4 after i install fglrx etc?
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> that is the one you want
[04:55] <janice> I know there is a place at the ubuntu website that lists all of the packages that come with Ubuntu. Does anyone have this URL?
[04:55] <wulfy> anyone else having significant problems with the network config application?
[04:55] <hypa7ia> moi
[04:55] <wulfy> it seems to freeze and be unresponsive
[04:56] <wulfy> often
[04:56] <hypa7ia> twice today, on two different machines
[04:56] <benh`> janice, its a lot easier to apt-cache search <string> and apt-cache show <package>
[04:56] <HrdwrBoB> ndiswrapper-utils is in main
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> i forgot about the artwork here... yea warthog... have actually touched one...
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> the plane
[04:56] <HrdwrBoB> actually
[04:56] <HrdwrBoB> hrm
[04:57] <janice> benh`: I think those will confirm whether I have or don't have ndiswrapper.
[04:57] <janice> benh`: correct?
[04:57] <benh`> janice, dpkg --list |grep ndiswrapper
[04:57] <benh`> that will show it if its installed
[04:57] <Nafallo> synaptic -> search? ;-)
[04:58] <Nafallo> Linux is getting WAY to user-friendly ;-)
[04:58] <janice> benh`: I will try that.
[05:01] <janice> I have confirmed that I do not have ndiswrapper.
[05:01] <desp_> I think the marillat repository doesn't have packages for powerpc
[05:01] <janice> What I need is the URL for the list of packages included in the Ubuntu release. Does anyone know this URL?
[05:02] <desp_> or at least synaptic complains that it can't find a powerpc specific list there
[05:02] <desp_> does anyone know if there's a repository with a ppc build of mplayer? or should I just get it myself
[05:03] <Nafallo> janice: http://ogre.magicalforest.se/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz should do :-)
[05:04] <Nafallo> hmm, or wait... that isn't what's included on the cd :-/
[05:04] <Nafallo> janice: browse the cd?
[05:05] <janice> Nafallo: Thank you for the link. However, I failed to mention that the list I am searching for has links to the actual package that allows one to download them. I will search the CD as you suggest.
[05:05] <desp_> meh
[05:05] <phill> Hi, I am having trouble with the fglrx driver. it seems to work, but nothing is 3d accelerated
[05:05] <phill> glxinfo says i am still suing mesa
[05:05] <phill> how do i switch?
[05:06] <janice> Nafallo: nope, not on it.
[05:06] <Nafallo> janice: I just came to the same conclusion :-P
[05:07] <Nafallo> janice: btw, that mirror I gave you has slow uplink :-P
[05:07] <janice> This really is a pickle. I would think that the ndiswrapper would be on the CD.
[05:07] <Nafallo> janice: not for me, but for everyone else ;-)
[05:07] <bob2> janice: no way
[05:07] <bob2> janice: non-Free, unsupportable, the drivers can't be distributed freely anyway
[05:08] <janice> bob2: I don't need the driver. Just ndiswrapper. I have the driver already on my MSWindows partition.
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> can't janice just make an apt source and install from there?
[05:08] <bob2> janice: just the first two points then ;)
[05:08] <bob2> nomasteryoda: yes
[05:08] <bob2> or just copy the .debs via cd
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> that would be the way
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> that too
[05:09] <bob2> it's not all that hard, but any sort of network access is easier
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> whats the method to install just packages
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> dpkg ?
[05:09] <Nafallo> sudo dpkg -i /media/cdrom/*.deb would do ;-)
[05:09] <bob2> yeah
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> cool
[05:09] <phill> anyone?
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> i'm posting tips for out lug
[05:10] <bob2> phill: did you read the wiki page?
[05:10] <aku> Hi all
[05:10] <HrdwrBoB> hi
[05:11] <aku> Can anybody tell me how to alias my eth0 ??
[05:11] <janice> I apologize to all for being a bit confusing in my request. My request is simply the URL to the ubuntu website that not only lists all the packages of Ubuntu, but allows one to download too.
[05:11] <bob2> janice: there isn't one
[05:11] <bob2> janice: because ubuntu has > 10 000 packages
[05:11] <bob2> janice: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ has all the packages, but you need to know how to find them
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> our contribution to the effort... comments welcomed.. http://mgalug.org/distros/ubuntu/4.10
[05:13] <hypa7ia> typo nomasteryoda
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> yea?
[05:14] <hypa7ia> "Ubuntu standS tall"
[05:14] <janice> bob2: you are getting me close!
[05:14] <hypa7ia> add the s
[05:14] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:14] <nomasteryoda> thanks
[05:14] <bob2> janice: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/004456.html
[05:14] <hypa7ia> np
[05:14] <HrdwrBoB> nomasteryoda: excellent
[05:15] <hypa7ia> there are a couple other typos nomasteryoda :-)
[05:15] <HrdwrBoB> nomasteryoda: however, I don't recommend setting the root password
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:15] <HrdwrBoB> nomasteryoda: sudo -s will give you a root shell when you need one
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> i know better now
[05:15] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:15] <hypa7ia> but i'm a pedant, so whatever :-)
[05:15] <phill> bob2: i followed it precisely
[05:15] <phill> no luck :(
[05:15] <phill> no 3d acceleration
[05:15] <HrdwrBoB> nomasteryoda: and you can also change the res from the computer-> system menu :)
[05:15] <janice> bob2: Thank you. At least I think. The URL I found is http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ Does this look like the correct ndiswrapper-utils file to use?
[05:16] <bob2> janice: yes
[05:16] <janice> bob2: Thank you for working with me. I am surely grateful.
[05:16] <bob2> janice: you're welcome, good luck
[05:17] <janice> Now, how do I install a deb file in ubuntu?
[05:17] <aku> Can anybody tell me how to IP aliasing my eth0 ??
[05:17] <bob2> dpkg -i foo.deb
[05:17] <bob2> aku: what are you trying to do?
[05:17] <bob2> (yes I know what ip aliasing is)
[05:17] <janice> bob2: me bad. I want to install the ndiswrapper-utils deb file.
[05:18] <bob2> janice: right...dpkg -i whateverthefileiscalled.deb
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> HrdwrBoB: modding it now... makes more sense
[05:18] <dasenjo> bob2, is there a documented process tu make a debian package an ubuntu one?? In the distribution ?
[05:18] <yohannes> any recommendation of tool/app for burning music? /*just like nero*/
[05:19] <dannoblip> I was under the impression that all non-base packages would work with warty<-?
[05:19] <timello> Pizbit, thank you, works with xine
[05:19] <bob2> dasenjo: to make it work or to get it uploaded?
[05:20] <bob2> yohannes: everyone loves k3b, apparently
[05:20] <bob2> dannoblip: no, you have no guarantee that a random binary .deb from sid will even install on ubuntu
[05:20] <janice> Okay, here I go. Install time!
[05:20] <dasenjo> bob2, really, I want to colaborate .. but I dont find documentation .. I think to get it uploaded ..
[05:20] <hypa7ia> yay janice!
[05:21] <bob2> dasenjo: I don't know that there's a system in place yet
[05:21] <dasenjo> bob2, are you a mantainer ?
[05:21] <bob2> dasenjo: no.
[05:22] <bob2> dasenjo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/maintainers
[05:23] <yohannes> how about gnome toaster? any good?
[05:23] <janice> Woops! Problem. Ubuntu says it cannot mount my floppy disk. However, I can view the contents on this machine running a different linux distribution. Is there a command I can use to mount the floppy in Ubuntu?
[05:23] <dannoblip> yohannes - gnometoaster works well, for what it does
[05:23] <bob2> janice: mount /floppy
[05:23] <dasenjo> bob2, thanks .. I know the URL .. I just want to talk with a mantainer ..
[05:23] <bob2> dasenjo: #ubuntu-devel
[05:23] <dannoblip> yohannes - doesnt have all the features in place yet, but does burn isos and data cds well
[05:23] <bob2> |trey|: erm, why?  follow debian poloicy.
[05:23] <phill> where are .debs stored when you run apt-get?
[05:23] <bob2> phill: they're cached in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[05:24] <phill> thanks
[05:24] <klasiphyd> is there anything else to try if the binary drive doc doesn't work for ati/nvidia cards?
[05:24] <yohannes> dannoblip: how about audio cd? good?
[05:24] <|trey|> yohannes, coaster is nice... look at that too...
[05:24] <dasenjo> bob2, I see the ligth ... thanks
[05:24] <yohannes> btw, can i use k3b in gnome? /*newbie*/
[05:24] <bob2> klasiphyd: ask on the list
[05:24] <bob2> yohannes: yes
[05:24] <janice> Ubuntu says that it cannot find /floppy and something about fstab. I think Ubuntu has not configured the floppy for some reason. What to do!
[05:24] <|trey|> bob2, true... but I suspect most people would expect it to be on Ubuntu's site somewhere...
[05:25] <|trey|> bob2, maybe even just host the same stuff...
[05:25] <dannoblip> yohannes - it doesnt have audio in place yet, you'd have to make an mp3->iso with mpg123 first, but im not an expert on that
[05:25] <yohannes> bob2--> so the only differnence is the GUI right? not the underlying functions
[05:25] <yohannes> dannoblip --> thanks for the info
[05:25] <bob2> janice: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt
[05:25] <|trey|> yohannes, correct, they are still .deb's
[05:27] <janice> bob2: That did the trick! How will I remember that command? (lol)
[05:27] <|trey|> dannoblip, cdrecord can do that with --audio... never tried with mpg123
[05:28] <dannoblip> that just decodes to wav, but yeah not a complete process
[05:28] <dannoblip> I think thats why gnometoaster doesnt have audio support, because the program is written atop libburn
[05:28] <dannoblip> and not cdrtools like most others
[05:29] <janice> Next issue. How do I change to the mounted flopy drive cd /dev/fd0 does not work.
[05:29] <bob2> janice: cd /mnt
[05:29] <bob2> /dev/fd0 is the device you've mounted /mnt is where the files appear
[05:29] <|trey|> janice, mount what from_where to_here
[05:30] <phill> bob2: pm
[05:30] <janice> bob2: cd /mnt does now work. It says permission denied. I tried sudo cd /mnt but that does not work either. Have any suggestion? (uh)
[05:30] <bob2> phill: ?
[05:31] <|trey|> janice, /dev is kernel space, you want it in userspace  :)
[05:31] <bob2> janice: "sudo -s", cd /mnt
[05:31] <phill> bob2: i sentyou a query
[05:32] <dannoblip> janice - can I ask what dist you are using - assuming ubuntu
[05:33] <janice> dannoblip: Sure thing! It is Ubuntu Warty 4.10 10-20-2004
[05:33] <dannoblip> ok and can I ask what your problem is?
[05:34] <janice> bob2: That sudo -s sure did the trick! I got ndiswrapper-utils installed (at least I think).
[05:34] <|trey|> dannoblip, janice cannot mount a floppy disk...
[05:35] <dannoblip> cannot mount or cannot access once mounted
[05:35] <mercurus> janice: can you run: cat /etc/fstab |grep fd0
[05:35] <|trey|> dannoblip, neither now, was latter though...
[05:35] <dannoblip> strange
[05:35] <janice> |trey|: actually, bob2 came to my rescue. bob2 gave me the commands that enabled me to mount the floppy and access it.
[05:35] <dannoblip> ok then great
[05:35] <|trey|> mercurus, I think maybe /floppy doesn't exist... but thats where /etc/fstab points it would seem...
[05:36] <janice> For some reason, Ubuntu would not mount a vfat floppy disk through the Gnome application (nautilus?)
[05:36] <mercurus> |trey|: ls -lA /floppy
[05:36] <|trey|> mercurus, ...
[05:36] <stuNNed> for stable system should i use 'apt-get upgrade' or 'apt-get dist-upgrade' or it doesn't matter?
[05:37] <dannoblip> janice- are you running a custom kernel?
[05:37] <mercurus> janice: it probably means your fstab file is tryiung to "auto"-detect the floppy's file system, set it to "vfat", rather than "auto" and try again.
[05:37] <janice> The command that got the floppy drive to mount is sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt
[05:37] <janice> mercurus: how do I set it to default to vfat?
[05:38] <janice> Do I edit the fstab file?
[05:38] <|trey|> janice, should be able to do mount /floppy worst case... or auto loaded best case...
[05:38] <dannoblip> janice - only edit fstab if you want the floppy mounted on startup
[05:38] <|trey|> janice, you can just 'mkdir /floppy' then fstab wouldn't complain...
[05:38] <dannoblip> nevermind i was confused as to the question
[05:39] <janice> |trey| If I mkdir /floppy, that would enable gnome to mount it if I double click the floppy icon in nautilus?
[05:40] <mercurus> janice: yes
[05:40] <dannoblip> if you mkdir /floppy  you are just making a directory to suit you as a mount point
[05:40] <|trey|> janice, should, yes... right click > mount volume though...
[05:40] <dannoblip> then you dont use the general purpose /mnt
[05:41] <mercurus> btw, the mount point should be /media/floppy
[05:41] <mercurus> or /media/floppy0
[05:41] <dannoblip> yeah but show me a LSB compliant system that I run and I'll show you a warty warthog
[05:41] <|trey|> dannoblip, that was manual because fstab didn't work... fstab is already set to /floppy and so would be easier to fix with mkdir  :/
[05:42] <dannoblip> alright
[05:42] <mercurus> |trey|: if you want floppies to co-operate with nautilus, use /media/floppy
[05:42] <dannoblip> I have a tendency to blither
[05:42] <bob2> phill: please don't, and I don't see it anyway
[05:42] <bob2> janice: cool
[05:42] <|trey|> mercurus, I dunno... she listed the error has saying couldn't access /floppy not /media/floppy though...
[05:43] <|trey|> s/has/as
[05:43] <dannoblip>  /media is a hub for mount points suggested in the LSB 2.0
[05:43] <mercurus> |trey|: an error caused by a manual mount attempt, no ?
[05:44] <|trey|> [21:25]  <janice> Ubuntu says that it cannot find /floppy and something about fstab. I think Ubuntu has not configured the floppy for some reason. What to do!
[05:44] <phill> bob2: sorry. how do i enable direct rendering for the fglrx drivers? currently is says it is not
[05:44] <mercurus> mine worked out of the box just then ...
[05:45] <bob2> phill: no idea, I don't use binary drivers
[05:45] <bob2> phill: try asking on the list
[05:45] <phill> the list?
[05:45] <janice> I just noticed something different between the Ubuntu liveCD and the Full Release. In the LiveCD the MSWindows partitions were already mounted and I could browse them easily. However, with the Full Release, they are not mounted and I cannot browse them. Is this the way it should be?
[05:45] <bob2> phill: /topic
[05:45] <dannoblip> phill- you have dri enabled in your XF86Config-4"?
[05:45] <phill> dannoblip: i think so, the dri module is listed as one to be loaded
[05:46] <dannoblip> and yet you have binary... ati?? drivers?
[05:46] <|trey|> janice, you can use the same /etc/fstab if you'd like... just cp the/file over...
[05:46] <phill> dannoblip: yes binary ati
[05:46] <dannoblip> phill- if you have the kernel modules installed, and insmodded, try doing a XFree86 -configure
[05:47] <dannoblip> then take a look at what the options are by default for XF86
[05:47] <dannoblip> or have you looked in that direction?
[05:47] <phill> no, i haven't. i will have to shutdown x to do that though, yes?
[05:47] <dannoblip> yeah you will
[05:48] <dannoblip> assuming you are using an x11 irc client
[05:48] <dannoblip> try bitchx
[05:48] <dannoblip> then you could talk and not have X runnign
[05:48] <phill> i'm using screen+irssi via ssh on another box, so no worries
[05:48] <|trey|> dannoblip, bah... irssi.
[05:48] <phill> i will brb and try that
[05:48] <dannoblip> ok
[05:49] <dannoblip> |trey| I used to run slackware, so gimme a break
[05:49] <dannoblip> its all personal taste
[05:49] <|trey|> dannoblip, what does that mean? "I used to run slackware" too  :/
[05:50] <paulproteus> It is possible to do all this with X running.
[05:50] <dannoblip> well I can tell you what it doesnt mean: it doesnt mean that Im trying to insinuate experience through stating abjective opinions on arbitrary command line programs
[05:50] <|trey|> paulproteus, no kidding?  ;)
[05:50] <dannoblip> im just saying that bitchx always came on default install
[05:50] <janice> |trey|: please forgive me (I am a new Ubuntu user). Which file do I copy exactly?
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> as for Ubuntu and Xfree86, I had an odd problem today
[05:51] <paulproteus> The XFree86 -configure step should be doable with X running, from a text terminal.
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> on one HD it would install perfectly...on the other it installed but wouldn't log into X
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> very odd
[05:52] <thoreauputic> janice: the /etc/fstab file :)
[05:52] <|trey|> janice, if you mounted it to /media/cdrom, it would be 'sudo cp /media/cdrom/etc/fstab /etc/fstab'
[05:52] <phill> dannoblip: it got unresolved symbol errors
[05:52] <|trey|> Se7h, never do that again.
[05:53] <Adrenal> how well does ubuntu handle media, and by media, i mean avi's and mpeg4's
[05:53] <Se7h> ups
[05:53] <Se7h> wasn't suppose to come to this network
[05:53] <phill> adrenal: fine aslong as you switch to totem-xine
[05:53] <dannoblip> phill- can you msg me the erro
[05:53] <Striss> adnans, they work fine for me in MPlayer
[05:53] <|trey|> Adrenal, depends if you have mplayer installed or not...
[05:53] <Adrenal> is mplayer good or bad?
[05:53] <Striss> i've never made any use of totem-xine, i dont like it
[05:53] <phill> dannoblip: i will try
[05:53] <Striss> mplayer is great
[05:53] <Striss> its a godsend
[05:53] <|trey|> Adrenal, better then good.
[05:53] <dannoblip> or throw it on pastebin.com
[05:53] <Adrenal> kk
[05:54] <Adrenal> what about mp3's?
[05:54] <|trey|> Adrenal, when working, its all you need for pr0n  8)
[05:54] <Adrenal> lol
[05:54] <bob2> Adrenal: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:54] <Striss> adnans, plenty of mp3 players
[05:54] <janice> |trey|: I am clueless. I think I just mounted it to /mnt. Is that correct bob2 ?
[05:54] <Striss> xmms, rhythmbox, beep
[05:54] <nomasteryoda> Adrenal: mplayer will even allow you to view the movie trailers at apple.com...
[05:54] <hypa7ia> i think we need a faq like fedorafaq.org
[05:54] <nomasteryoda> with the w32codecs of course
[05:54] <|trey|> janice, no, the livecd... mount /media/cdrom
[05:55] <|trey|> nomasteryoda, in Ubuntu, they are part of the package, the way its meant to be  :)
[05:55] <bob2> janice: right
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> |trey| nice
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> package deals beat the other method of hunting it all down
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> ubuntu rocks
[05:56] <Adrenal> ah cheers
[05:56] <Adrenal> ok
[05:56] <Adrenal> what about games
[05:56] <Adrenal> how well does cedga work?
[05:56] <Adrenal> *cedega
[05:56] <Striss> never tried it, dunno what it is
[05:56] <bob2> you'd have to ask transgaming
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> very limited games...yea
[05:56] <bob2> but it should work as well on ubuntu as it does anywhere
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> xmame
[05:56] <Seek187> I wish I could install ubintu :(
[05:56] <|trey|> Adrenal, its not as good as running natively...
[05:56] <Striss> why cant you?
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> Seek187: why not install?
[05:57] <Seek187> After it installs the base system and after the first reboot it tries to load and it has a FATAL error
[05:57] <Striss> what system?
[05:57] <janice> bob2: Thanks. |Trey|: Okay, I think I get it.
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> Adrenal: and with the plugin to mozilla for mplayer, you can even do fullscreen movies
[05:57] <bob2> janice: is it working now?
[05:57] <Seek187> I don't remember what it is im going to recreate it again in a min
[05:57] <bob2> Seek187: please file a bug or ask on the list
[05:57] <Striss> Seek187, what kinda system are you running?
[05:57] <Seek187> ok
[05:58] <WX> how do i go about making courier-imap run as the postfix user?
[05:58] <Seek187> um
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> Seek187: did you check the hard drive for problems?
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> i've seen that before
[05:58] <bob2> WX: don't do that
[05:58] <Seek187> no ill try that next
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> Hirem's boot cd tools do a good job
[05:59] <Skif> WX: you probably don't want to do that.... I use cyrus-imap, and postfix talks to it over lmtp via a socket owned by the mail group... postfix and cyrus both run as members of that group
[05:59] <|trey|> bob2, she wanted Windows accessable at boot like on LiveCD... I was gonna get her to boot the LiveCD and cp its fstab stuff over to the installed system...
[05:59] <Seek187> it's a asus motherboard with a 2.5 celreon I think
[05:59] <|trey|> bob2, not a good idea it would seem... :(
[05:59] <|trey|> She would need to reboot first *nods*
[06:00] <Seek187> Ill get the error in a minute
[06:00] <bob2> goddamn my ibook runs hot
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:00] <bob2> I'm going to need water cooling summer
[06:00] <Seek187> brb
[06:00] <bob2> I wonder how it will like being hosed down
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> needs a "caution: this unit gets very hot" "Not to be used on the Laptop"
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:01] <|trey|> bob2, haha... put it in the fridge while its not in use  8)
[06:01] <bob2> heh
[06:01] <liten> frozen lcd displays kinda .. rock :P
[06:01] <bob2> nomasteryoda: it actually blows out enough hot air to make me sweay
[06:01] <janice> bob2: I can now view the contents of the floppy drive. However, I have run into another problem, which is that the MSWindows partitions are not mounte.
[06:01] <bob2> yeah, when you take the liquid out of LCD...
[06:02] <bob2> janice: do you know what device they are?
[06:02] <WX> Skif, im having problems getting courier-imap to read the mail dirs
[06:02] <|trey|> bob2, LiveCD mounts them... easier to just have her use that no?
[06:02] <WX> gives me an error *cannon chdir 'maildir'*
[06:02] <bob2> WX: http://kirby.insanegenius.net/postfix.html
[06:02] <bob2> |trey|: apparently not
[06:02] <Skif> WX: make sure the user it runs as is in the same group as the ower of the mail dirs
[06:02] <Skif> WX: and make sure postfix is too, of course
[06:03] <WX> ok
[06:03] <|trey|> bob2, well... she didn't even try... I told her to but I don't think she wanted to or something I guess  :(
[06:03] <janice> Yes, hda1, hda5 and hda6
[06:03] <don> I'm having problems mounting hdb1 to a folder on my desktop.
[06:03] <rublind> Don?
[06:03] <don> here
[06:03] <WX> Skif, it appears that courier runs as root... by default; is this possible? at least that's what ps makes me think
[06:03] <rublind> m'kay.
[06:03] <bob2> don: you need to edit /etc/fstab
[06:03] <bob2> janice: as do you you
[06:04] <rublind> bob2: isn't that just to make it so it's mounted when you start up?
[06:04] <Skif> WX: dunno... I like standards compliance, so I use cyrus :)
[06:04] <bob2> rublind: well, sort of...if it's not in there then you need to specify all the details whenevrre you mount it
[06:04] <Skif> WX: look at your courier conf file; is there a setting for "user/group to run as"?
[06:04] <|trey|> janice, sudo fdisk -l ... see if any say ntfs or mention fat... mount those, come back if you get in trouble  :)
[06:04] <rublind> bob2: I think first he wants to make it work, then he can edit /etc/fstab (I'm not sure he knows what to put even, I know I don't)
[06:05] <don> How do I edit /etc/fstab
[06:05] <rublind> nano /etc/fstab
[06:05] <yohannes> hi, just install k3b successfully. during launch, it requires me to input a root passwd to maintain recording stability. as far as i remember, we use sudo explicitly and never set up a root acct. any thought?
[06:05] <don> ah, I was thinking nino :\
[06:05] <rublind> Hah/
[06:05] <|trey|> rublind, look in the file... its pretty straight forward...
[06:05] <hypa7ia> hey, i'm editing /etc/fstab, my win partition was set to mount with <options> default but this made it root-only.  should it be user, noauto instead?  that's what i keep seeing in my google results
[06:05] <rublind> |trey|: but there are things you could do that are non-standard.
[06:05] <|trey|> rublind, there are more options that man fstab tells about...
[06:05] <bob2> yohannes: krb sucks, there's a page on the wiki about it
[06:05] <bob2> hypa7ia: ntfs or vfat?
[06:06] <hypa7ia> vfat bob2
[06:06] <rublind> |trey|: Can you give a sample of what the line should look like? (for reference)
[06:06] <bob2> hypa7ia: umask=002 in the options field
[06:07] <|trey|> hypa7ia, there isn't a space either way... what you have would make it accessable to regular users and not mount on boot...
[06:07] <janice> |trey|: It is fat, not ntfs. The MSWindows is MSWin98SE
[06:07] <hypa7ia> thanks |trey| and bob2 :-)
[06:07] <bob2> janice: you want to add a line like this:
[06:07] <|trey|> <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass> is what the file says... last two are usually always '0'...
[06:07] <hypa7ia> oh, noauto, duh... *kicks self*
[06:08] <bob2> /dev/hda1 /mnt/whereyouwantit/ vfat defaults,umask=002 0 0
[06:08] <phill> Hi, has anyone had any success with 3D acceleration and the ATi binary drivers?
[06:08] <hypa7ia> yeah, i've got that far, just didn't know what to put for options
[06:08] <bob2> phill: lots of people have.  if you can't get it to work, ask on the list
[06:08] <bob2> hypa7ia: umask=002
[06:08] <phill> the users list?
[06:08] <rublind> Anyone know when the Ubuntu CD's are shipping?
[06:08] <hypa7ia> got it bob2 :-)
[06:08] <bob2> phill: yes.
[06:08] <bob2> rublind: in a couple of weeks
[06:08] <|trey|> hypa7ia, /dev/something /somewhere/here fstype user,noauto 0 0
[06:09] <rublind> bob2: I am impatient. >_<
[06:09] <hypa7ia> |trey|: but i do want auto :-)
[06:09] <|trey|> hypa7ia, then auto instead...
[06:09] <bob2> auto is the default
[06:09] <thoreauputic> |trey|: Bob2 already told her - you are just confusing the issue
[06:10] <bob2> and make sure you know what trhe consequences of "user" are.
[06:10] <hypa7ia> does umask=002 == user in this case?
[06:10] <bob2> no
[06:11] <|trey|> thoreauputic, ahh... didn't even see  :(
[06:11] <thoreauputic> hypa7ia: allows read write permissions
[06:11] <hypa7ia> which one, thoreauputic
[06:11] <thoreauputic>  umask=002
[06:12] <|trey|> hypa7ia, that would make user and group have full rights, and everyone else have read only...
[06:12] <bob2> if you're sking for clarification on something I've said, please direct it at me
[06:12] <billytwowilly> any horror stories about upgrading to hoary?
[06:12] <thoreauputic> hypa7ia: , bob2, sorry I butted in
[06:13] <Pizbit> billytwowilly: Yes
[06:13] <|trey|> bob2, user in mount options = allows user to mount and umount, correct?
[06:13] <mercurus> |trey|: yes
[06:13] <billytwowilly> Pizbit, fill me in;)
[06:13] <Pizbit> billytwowilly: Only really do it if you know how to fix anything.
[06:14] <Pizbit> billytwowilly: gnome-panel dead is one I remember
[06:14] <billytwowilly> darn.. I can always downgrade though right?
[06:14] <Pizbit> No
[06:14] <Pizbit> Only if you reinstall.
[06:14] <rublind> How do you mount a windows drive (XP) so that it's not owned by root?
[06:14] <billytwowilly> fart. I wanted x.org and xchat 2.4 real bad
[06:15] <|trey|> billytwowilly, just make sure to seperate /home out for important stuff  :)
[06:15] <rublind> mount -t ntfs -o rublind /dev/hdb1 /home/rublind/Desktop/HDD2 ?
[06:15] <mercurus> rublind: -o uid=1001,gid=101 or similar
[06:15] <|trey|> billytwowilly, no xorg yet... Xchat 2.4 and GNOME 2.9 are in though  :)
[06:15] <rublind> Thanks.
[06:15] <hypa7ia> 2.9, neat
[06:16] <billytwowilly> yah, I have /home as a seperate partition;) It's my home directory from all the way back in mandrake 7.2;)
[06:17] <hypa7ia> bob2, back to my previous q (sorry to have gotten things confused there): would it then be better to just allow my user to rw the drive?  so defaults,$me ?
[06:17] <|trey|> hypa7ia, I was kinda worried when I saw it... rarely run devel de's... but its actually quite stable  :)
[06:17] <billytwowilly> |trey|, right now they're doing a huge merge back with debian right? Should I wait a week and everything will have calmed down?
[06:17] <bob2> thoreauputic: I wasn't refering to you :)
[06:17] <bob2> |trey|: yes, and some tother things, man mount
[06:17] <bob2> hypa7ia: defaults,uid, does nothing.  you can use the uid=your_id thing if you like
[06:17] <bob2> umask=002 lets anyone write to it
[06:17] <|trey|> billytwowilly, the actual merge is done... things such as Xorg will come in in time, and GNOME 2.9 as I said is also new...
[06:18] <billytwowilly> ok, so it's somewhat safe to upgrade now?
[06:18] <billytwowilly> I'm not big on fixing things, but I really wanted xchat 2.4
[06:18] <|trey|> billytwowilly, still upgrading packages due to it not being frozen, but the merge is complete...
[06:18] <|trey|> billytwowilly, if you are paranoid, no... at least wait till after Xorg is in safely  :)
[06:19] <billytwowilly> heh, when do you think xorg will be in safely? hmm. I probably can't upgrade to xorg until ati releases drivers for that anyway
[06:20] <|trey|> billytwowilly, I would say wait like 2 weeks from now, depending on how paranoid... should have enough bug fixes by then to be safe to upgrade to  :)
[06:20] <rublind> I mounted a hard drive to a folder on the desktop, and when I open that folder I get an error "No permissions," how do I fix this?
[06:20] <billytwowilly> nifty.
[06:22] <|trey|> rublind, thats strange, you mounted with -o rublind, so you should have had sufficiant rights...
[06:22] <rublind> I don't know why.
[06:22] <billytwowilly> |trey|, I switched from suse because I wanted the constant upgrades of debian with a better installer, then I read about the not upgrading except for once every six months and I thought "BASTARD!";) But if the devel branch is as stable as debian unstable it should be good still
[06:22] <BrittBS> |trey|: you say 2.9 is in hoary?
[06:22] <|trey|> BrittBS, yup  :)
[06:22] <BrittBS> |trey|: odd, i did updates on 2 machines today to hoary and gnome-about still reports 2.8.1
[06:24] <GnuHippy> what is the latest version of Gnome?
[06:24] <jdub> 2.8
[06:24] <jdub> well, 2.8.1 strictly
[06:24] <|trey|> BrittBS, partial... some things here are 2.8.x too... gnome-applets, gnome-media and simular are 2.9... base packages like gnome-session and gnome-about as you said is still 2.8
[06:24] <jdub> 2.9.1 is also out, but it's on the devel branch
[06:25] <|trey|> jdub, she was asking about hoary  ;)
[06:25] <jdub> and not all of the modules have been released (notably, not gnome-desktop/panel/session)
[06:25] <jdub> |trey|: i know. answer still applies.
[06:25] <BrittBS> ah, cool
[06:25] <billytwowilly> so is 2.9 the gnome devel release or is it an actual new release?
[06:26] <|trey|> billytwowilly, GNOME devel is always odd minor number...
[06:26] <jdub> billytwowilly: odd minor numbers indicate development releases
[06:26] <rublind> |trey|: any ideas?
[06:26] <ttikk> what is the broadcom number to call
[06:26] <billytwowilly> ok. just like the kernel. nifty
[06:26] <ttikk> to bitch about wifi specs ?
[06:26] <klasiphyd> this may be dumb but.. is there an i686 kernel? uname -a says its using an i386 kernel but the machine is i686 ..?
[06:26] <jdub> klasiphyd: install linux-686
[06:27] <rublind> http://www.allowe.com/sight/images/XboxPortable.jpg <-- Mmmm Microsoft
[06:27] <klasiphyd> ok thats what i thought
[06:27] <Pizbit> jdub: Yeah, it's kinda odd the installer chose 386 when the cpu is an amd xp(k6 I think)
[06:27] <|trey|> rublind, nope sorry... afaik, it should have worked... bob2, rublind is getting permission denied with 'mount -t something -o defaults,rublind blah foo'
[06:28] <jdub> Pizbit: k7. it's not always right to make that choice.
[06:28] <klasiphyd> when i try to use fglrx, x crashes saying cannot init agp ..is it possible agp support isn't in the kernel?
[06:28] <Pizbit> jdub: o_O? Why's that?
[06:28] <billytwowilly> klasiphyd, did you read the ubuntu wiki? there's somethign there about agp errors like that I think
[06:28] <jdub> Pizbit: safety.
[06:28] <klasiphyd> billytwowilly, i did, i'll look again
[06:29] <billytwowilly> klasiphyd, hmm, nope, not in there. I must have read it elsewhere
[06:29] <billytwowilly> I'll dig around and see if I can find it again.
[06:29] <klasiphyd> i remember what your talking about
[06:29] <x0563511> runlevel 1 is single user, console only right?
[06:29] <x0563511> and 3 is the normal level?
[06:30] <guptan> can somebody tell me rar utility package name?
[06:30] <Skif> x0563511: runlevel S is single user
[06:30] <seek187> Wow! it installed this time
[06:30] <seek187> Very slick nice install :)
[06:30] <klasiphyd> billytwowilly, is it http://ati.com/support/infobase/linuxhowto-ati.html that your looking for
[06:30] <Skif> x0563511: 2 is full gui everything
[06:30] <x0563511> init 2 did nothing
[06:30] <|trey|> billytwowilly, any complaints you might have... jdub is release manager, so he's as good a person as anyone to have reading your opinion  ;)
[06:30] <x0563511> but, init 1 got me to maintainence mode
[06:30] <x0563511> and init 3 got me back to GUI
[06:31] <Skif> x0563511: maybe you did something interesting to yours; in mine /etc/rc2.d has S99gdm
[06:31] <billytwowilly> klasiphyd, I don't remember. I just remember reading something about that agp error while trying to get my ati mobility radeon 9700 working. Sorry.
[06:31] <Skif> which means that gdm should start as the last thing in init level 2
[06:31] <x0563511> is something odd going on with my installation? I just installed off of the install CD i dowlnoaded today
[06:32] <hypa7ia> billytwowilly: what laptop are you on
[06:32] <Skif> x0563511: in fact, rc3.d and rc2.d have exactly the same contents for me
[06:32] <billytwowilly> |trey|, it's not complaints about how it's packaged. It's complaints about other things. 1) nautilus. Make it easy to turn off the error not letting me play .wmv files because they have another format inside them (asf). I need a drop down file system menu like the quickbrowser in kde. That thing was gold
[06:32] <phill> Hi, does anyone know what this error means in myxfree log? Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o":  No symbols found
[06:32] <phill> it happens when it tries to load libGlcore
[06:33] <x0563511> Skif, maybe it's set up differently be default now?
[06:33] <Skif> x0563511: possibly, but I rather doubt it
[06:33] <billytwowilly> hypa7ia, compal cl-56 rebranded as a ttx laptop. centrino dothan 1.7 ghz, 512 MB ram, 80 gb 5400 rpm drive, dvd-r/cdr/ ati mobility radeon 9700 w/128 MB ram
[06:33] <x0563511> Skif, hmm... i have changed little, and i just installed off of the lates official ISO
[06:33] <billytwowilly> oh yah, and wireless iwp2200 of course
[06:33] <hypa7ia> ha, cool, that's almost exactly my setup
[06:34] <Skif> x0563511: does your /etc/rc2.d directory have S99gdm?
[06:34] <x0563511> Skif, no idea, im a semi-newb
[06:34] <x0563511> let me check
[06:34] <Skif> x0563511: and when you boot, by default does gdm start?
[06:34] <billytwowilly> hmm. yah, init 3 doesn't shut down x anymore.. that is kind of lame too.
[06:34] <hypa7ia> asus m6b 1.6 / 1024 / 80gb / dvd-cdrw / radeon 9700 64mb ipw2200
[06:35] <|trey|> billytwowilly, You can turn off Spatial... then you get a "Tree" view option... I am sure you can turn off that prompt in gconf-editor if you search... they are just not the defaults...
[06:35] <Skif> x0563511: in that case, don't play around with 'init <foo>', just use it as it comes :)
[06:35] <jdub> billytwowilly: debian runlevels do not work the same way as red hat runlevels.
[06:35] <billytwowilly> hypa7ia, yours looks nicer than mine, but I probably paid less for mine;)
[06:35] <x0563511> Skif, yes, it does
[06:35] <jdub> billytwowilly: the error you're getting with the wmv files is a bug that needs to be fixed.
[06:35] <hypa7ia> billytwowilly: quite possibly... but i got mine barebones and didn't pay the M$ tax :-)
[06:35] <Skif> x0563511: if it hurts when you do that, then, um, stop doing that?
[06:35] <billytwowilly> jdub, can I turn off that prompt? that's just irritating. I know if I'm opening something that will mess up my system too bad or not;)
[06:36] <jdub> billytwowilly: no, it's a bug that needs to be fixed.
[06:36] <|trey|> jdub, Seems they went to a lot of effort to write the error though... its got a lot of text etc warning about it being unsafe...
[06:36] <x0563511> arg! is there a way to get gnome to behave more like WinXP (windows open in same window, not new... apps appear on RIGHT of task bar, not left)
[06:36] <billytwowilly> hypa7ia, me too;)
[06:36] <x0563511> Skif, i had to, to install the nvidia binaries
[06:36] <mbb_> anyone have time/inclination to help me get wireless working? Dlink G650, works with Mepis live CD. Not with Warty (so far!)
[06:36] <jdub> |trey|: yes, in the right situations, it's good protection. the dialogue itself is not a bug, of course.
[06:37] <|trey|> jdub, would be nice to have a "trust media" option or so... but untrusted should still prompt  :)
[06:37] <BrittBS> x0563511: to turn of spatial file browsing, under Edit-Preferences, then Behavior, tick Always open in browser windows
[06:37] <Skif> x0563511: *shrug* I don't have any nvidia hardware, so I'll take your word for it, but last time I wanted to, I don't recall having to muck with that... I just compiled the kernel bits, rebooted, and poof it was there.
[06:37] <jdub> |trey|: no, the solution is to fix the bug. not provide a workaround.
[06:37] <Skif> Admittedly, that was, what, 4 years ago?  Maybe 5?
[06:37] <thoreauputic> x0563511: and you can move stuff around on the taskbar
[06:37] <billytwowilly> jdub, yah, it seems like they put it in on purpose, but then forgot that wmv has asf video. I'd like to just turn it off.
[06:37] <x0563511> Skif, the nvidia installer wines about X running, you have to shut it down first
[06:37] <Skif> ah
[06:37] <|trey|> jdub, I don't understand how its a bug  :(
[06:38] <billytwowilly> nvidia hardware is cake to install
[06:38] <jdub> |trey|: the dialogue appearing in that situation is a bug, because the media types should be understood.
[06:38] <x0563511> Well, im running windows still, and just learning linux, so i will take as many similarities (at first) as i can
[06:38] <Skif> I didn't use that, I just downloaded the "source" (including lame binary module), compiled, and installed
[06:38] <|trey|> jdub, ahh... I can see the bug there  :)
[06:38] <x0563511> arg... im trying to compile something, and i keep downloading just the libraries, not the dev libriaries.
[06:38] <Skif> I must be the only person in the world that likes spatial nautilus, but maybe I'm just nostaglic for mac os 6.8.1
[06:38] <x0563511> not that thats a problem
[06:39] <x0563511> but when i make the same mistake 5 times...
[06:39] <thoreauputic> x0563511: try playing with middle click on your task bar launchers - you can shift them around
[06:39] <hypa7ia> Skif: i like it :-)
[06:39] <BrittBS> Skif: nah, I love spatial :)
[06:39] <x0563511> thoreauputic, no effect. I have a 3 button, USB mouse, emulate3button set to false
[06:40] <billytwowilly> oh yah, and gnome doesn't appear to have the middle click/right click on maximize to vertically or horizontally maximize a window, which was awesome in kde
[06:40] <|trey|> Skif, I find ctrl+l useful... that pretty much takes care of all the problems I had at first with it  :)
[06:40] <x0563511> thoreauputic, but emulate3button was true by default, till i cought it while updating my XF86config-4 for nvidia
[06:40] <Skif> x0563511: unless this changed from the preview, the default icons on the taskbar are locked; you have to right-click and select "unlock" to be able to move them.
[06:40] <x0563511> er, im talking about the bottom bar, the one that shows running windows
[06:40] <Skif> Ohmer, that one
[06:40] <Skif> erik, bah nick completion
[06:41] <Skif> bah bah
[06:41] <|trey|> jdub, should have a File > Location menu item though... would be easier to find that dialogue...
[06:41] <Skif> er, is this working
[06:41] <Skif> hurrah
[06:41] <jdub> |trey|: ?
[06:41] <Skif> jdub: for nautilus
[06:41] <|trey|> jdub, for ctrl+l in nautilus  :)
[06:42] <x0563511> yay XMMS is building (finally). I dont like that built in music application AT ALL
[06:42] <BrittBS> |trey|: file->open location
[06:42] <jdub> |trey|: File > Open Location...   Ctrl+L
[06:42] <jdub> ^ the exact text in the menu
[06:42] <|trey|> Ahh... I knew that...
[06:42] <jdub> x0563511: why didn't you install the xmms binaries?
[06:42] <Skif> x0563511: I don't mind it, I actually like it better than xmms, but then I run my desktop at work at 1600x1200, and xmms is bloody unreadable at that resolution
[06:43] <billytwowilly> hmm. rythmbox is taking forever to scan all my mp3s... it's been an hour.. I only have 16 GB.. come on..
[06:43] <x0563511> jdub, every time ive done that, gnome complaines about copywrites and wont play mp3s. when i build xmms from source, the plugin is built and i have no issues
[06:43] <klasiphyd> how do i update grub if i don't have grub-update
[06:43] <jdub> x0563511: when you've done that on fedora, sure.
[06:43] <hypa7ia> billytwowilly: something is wrong methinks.  only took me like 1 min for 5 gb
[06:43] <x0563511> jdub, not like i like mp3, but i dont really feel keen on converting my 900mb+ 35 hour DJDawn collection
[06:43] <jdub> x0563511: it merely requires the mp3 plugin, which is installed by default.
[06:43] <billytwowilly> well, it's over the network as well, via nfs..
[06:44] <jdub> x0563511: it is xmms showing that dialogue, not gnome, because the mp3 plugin is not there
[06:44] <Skif> |trey|: me, too; I tried at first, and I just end saying 'bah' and going to a shell anyway
[06:44] <seek187> hmmm shouldn't there be more apt sources ? I dont have mplayer or nothing in Synaptcs????
[06:44] <x0563511> jdub, ya, i know. Dummy MP3 plugin
[06:44] <x0563511> jdub, oh well, its building already, so...
[06:44] <jdub> x0563511: so you should stop it and install the version provided by ubuntu
[06:44] <|trey|> Skif, I just don't like clicking that much... I don't want to move my arm, its comfortable  :(
[06:44] <don> Any reason why I'm getting: chown: changing group of `/home/don/Desktop/HDD2': Read-only file system
[06:45] <x0563511> jdub, just as well, cause it borked up. I got synaptic DLing it now
[06:45] <|trey|> don, yes, its read only...
[06:45] <don> The folder or the actual drive..?
[06:46] <|trey|> don, that dir...
[06:46] <seek187> how do I download mplayer??
[06:46] <x0563511> why is that read only? You mean i can't change whats on my "start menu" (windows user, deal with me...)
[06:46] <Thock> Could anyone give me a little help with WartyWarthog and WiFi? i can't get my PCMICA card detected and working.
[06:46] <|trey|> seek187, add multiverse and 'apt-get install mplayer-686' (or -nogui, -386, or k6)
[06:47] <don> trey, I've tried chmod'ing it to 777 numerous times.
[06:47] <kapputu> hi all
[06:47] <seek187> multiverse hmmm ok
[06:47] <|trey|> don, mount -o umask=000,defaults
[06:47] <seek187> ohhhh I see ok thanks
[06:48] <|trey|> uhh, sudo mount
[06:48] <thoreauputic> x0563511: windows must be the only OS where you click "start" when you wanrt to stop...
[06:48] <don> perfect!
[06:48] <x0563511> ok... im having an issue
[06:48] <seek187> lol
[06:48] <x0563511> im trying to mount my windows partition (NTFS) to /windows
[06:48] <x0563511> i made the windows mountpoint, and it mounts properly
[06:49] <seek187> me to :/
[06:49] <|trey|> thoreauputic, I never shut down anyways... and you can just hit power button breifly to shut down "correctly"...
[06:49] <x0563511> but whenever i try to open it... i don't have the "permissions" to access it, but the sudo prompt does it fine
[06:49] <don> trey, I can view it in the actual folder, but it's still read only. Is it because it's NTFS?
[06:49] <x0563511> chmod a+rx /windows does not help
[06:49] <janice> mercurus: Thank you for all the help. It is much, much appreciated.
[06:49] <|trey|> don, ahh... yes...
[06:49] <don> I thought so
[06:50] <|trey|> don, there is a project to modify files located on an ntfs partition, not sure if there are packages for Ubuntu though...
[06:50] <don> A friend told me the name of one package, let me see if I can find that
[06:51] <|trey|> thoreauputic, and on Unix based systems... you actually start init 0...
[06:51] <thoreauputic> |trey|: captive, I think it's called - but it's experimental at this stage I believe
[06:51] <billytwowilly> how do I make gaim not pop up chat windows automagically? I'd rather get a warning or something
[06:51] <don> "you can use the wrapper driver around ntfs.sys, that one is safe"
[06:51] <|trey|> thoreauputic, I believe so yes...
[06:52] <x0563511> anyone?
[06:52] <thoreauputic> |trey|: I actually type shutdown -h now , which seems logical - or `halt`
[06:53] <seek187> I have the same problem as x0563511 also
[06:53] <janice> I want to thank everyone for helping me tonight. I look forward to learning Ubuntu. I will be sure to come back and help others as I learn this new distribution.
[06:53] <don> Is there a quick way to install apache through ubuntu?
[06:53] <don> +php/mysql
[06:53] <|trey|> thoreauputic, what do you think that does? it starts all the kill scripts in /etc/rc2.d
[06:54] <BrittBS> don: apt-get install apache2
[06:54] <x0563511> dur!
[06:54] <mercurus> janice: no worries, all sorted ?
[06:54] <x0563511> i don't even need to get on THIS machines NTFS
[06:54] <x0563511> can i mount a samba share?
[06:54] <thoreauputic> |trey|: yes, yes, I'm aware of that... thank you for sharing
[06:55] <|trey|> uhh... rc0.d even  :/
[06:55] <BrittBS> x0563511: check out Network under Computer
[06:55] <x0563511> BrittBS, i need to connect to c$, a hidden share
[06:55] <|trey|> thoreauputic, I just think every OS does a job  :/
[06:55] <thoreauputic> |trey|: to mimic windows, set default runlevel to 6 ;)
[06:56] <x0563511> BrittBS, i can do it by typing it in manually, so is there a way to mount that directory to an empty one on my linux box?
[06:56] <don> BrittBS, PHP and MySQL?
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[06:56] <x0563511> thoreauputic, evil...
[06:56] <thoreauputic> hehehe
[06:56] <BrittBS> don: apt-get intall libapache2-mod-php4
[06:56] <x0563511> thoreauputic, honestly, its not THAT bad. but it pisses me off when windows takes 3 min to disable and re-enable my LAN link (no more than 3 SECONDS in ubuntu)
[06:56] <don> do I need to add anything on for it to automatically detect MySQL?
[06:57] <BrittBS> don: use apt-cache search (from cli) or synaptic to do searches for packages btw
[06:57] <don> k
[06:57] <|trey|> x0563511, try waiting around on a RIS image or dcpromo sometime...
[06:57] <thoreauputic> x0563511: I know, actually XP isn't *too* bad - I'm not an OS bigot :)
[06:57] <BrittBS> x0563511: yes, /etc/fstab
[06:58] <|trey|> x0563511, compared to editing a single file and restarting samba, its a pain to dcpromo  :(
[06:58] <x0563511> BrittBS, will it mount the following fstab line? "smb://L103/c$    /windows    ntfs    ro,noauto,user  0  0"?
[06:59] <BrittBS> x0563511: not sure, i haven't done that myself
[06:59] <mercurus> heh, gnome-applets disk mount really doesn't like mounting non-existant CDs ...
[06:59] <x0563511> "Can't get address for smb" when i try "mount smb://L103/c$ /windows"
[07:00] <mercurus> x0563511: is L103 in your hosts file, or is it resolveable by Samba through WINS or DNS ?
[07:00] <seek187> hmmm still no mplayer after adding universe branches
[07:00] <mercurus> oh, btw ... the syntax is
[07:00] <x0563511> mercurus, its resolvable through netbios (WINS, i think)
[07:00] <aitrus> you're using the wrong syntax
[07:01] <mercurus> mount -t smbfs //L103/c /windows
[07:01] <x0563511> mercurus, as is, the station is being recognised under network as L103
[07:01] <mercurus> aitrus: mplayer is a legally dubious package ... so it is part of the marillat  repository
[07:01] <x0563511> mercurus, the $ is required, its a part of the share name
[07:01] <x0563511> mercurus, makes it appear hidden (its the hidden administrative share)
[07:02] <|trey|> x0563511, make sure smbfs module is loaded... mount -t smbfs //some/where/in/domain /to/the/local/machine should work...
[07:02] <aitrus> mercurus: i have no idea what you are talking about.  i was referring to the smb mount issue
[07:02] <seek187> how do I add that repository?
[07:02] <RuffianSoldier> #syntax -f
[07:02] <janice> Okay, now I have done it. I am messing Ubuntu up and I need help.
[07:02] <|trey|> mercurus, mplayer is in multiverse...
[07:02] <x0563511> smbfs is not there... how do i get it?
[07:02] <mercurus> x0563511: hmm ... I don't like NetBIOS and window's pechant for "$"s ... not quite sure ... maybe escape it ... or unhide it
[07:02] <thoreauputic> aitrus: his message was for seek187, I think
[07:02] <mercurus> aitrus: aye, sorry ... I meant to say seek187 :)
[07:03] <seek187> heh
[07:03] <aitrus> ehh... yeah.  =)
[07:03] <mercurus> janice: ?
[07:03] <|trey|> seek187, activate multiverse in synaptics tools > repository... then search for mplayer and install at will  :)
[07:03] <janice> I cannot log in as a user anymore. I edited the one user in the User and Groups
[07:03] <don> Gah, how do you make a new file in the command prompt
[07:03] <x0563511> mercurus, well, gnome can read it fine using SMB://L103/c$
[07:03] <|trey|> x0563511, modprobe smbfs
[07:03] <seek187> I seen universe in synaptics but thats it
[07:03] <janice> Specifically, I changed the original user 'ahood1' to just 'ahood'
[07:03] <mercurus> x0563511: yes ... but that doesn't mean Samba will like the syntax ...
[07:03] <x0563511> i found smbfs on synaptic, it wasnt installed
[07:03] <mercurus> janice: what did you change about the user ?
[07:03] <|trey|> seek187, in that same text field, type [space]  multiverse and reload
[07:04] <x0563511> mercurus, ill test it with mount before i fstab it
[07:04] <thoreauputic> don: touch <file. to create an empty file, use abn editor to make one with content
[07:04] <stuNNed_> will mozilla sunbird ever be added to ubuntu repo's?
[07:04] <jdub> x0563511: you mentioned something about the window list being weird?
[07:04] <don> k
[07:04] <mercurus> mount -t smbfs //L103/c\$ /windows
[07:04] <janice> I think I also changed the directory setting /home/ahood1 to /home/ahood, but I did not actually create the /home/ahood directory.
[07:04] <x0563511> i get this after it askes for a password: "7650: session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.)"
[07:04] <nevyn> thoreauputic: what's wrong with touch file?
[07:04] <x0563511> and i know i typed the password correctly
[07:04] <thoreauputic> don: sorry touch <file> , edit
[07:04] <|trey|> stuNNed_, probably when its considered more stable... although likely not a default candidate due to overlap with Evolution...
[07:05] <mercurus> janice: ok, edit /etc/passwd and change it back
[07:05] <aitrus> x0563511: -o username=theuser%thepass
[07:05] <mercurus> then try and login again
[07:05] <janice> So, when I try to log in, I get a message saying that it cannot log in because the directory does not exist.
[07:05] <seek187> lol now im getting confused
[07:05] <thoreauputic> nevyn: err nothing
[07:05] <seek187> text field?
[07:05] <mercurus> that said, a user with no home directory should still be able to log in.
[07:05] <nevyn> mercurus: not to X
[07:05] <seek187> I just checked universe
[07:05] <thoreauputic> nevyn ?
[07:05] <x0563511> no change
[07:05] <seek187> it added more stuff but not that
[07:05] <mercurus> nevyn: ah of course :) I still think shell far too often.
[07:05] <x0563511> hmm
[07:05] <janice> mercurus: can I do this from a terminal?
[07:06] <don> thoreauputic, it's still not creating it..?
[07:06] <x0563511> aitrus, got it
[07:06] <mercurus> janice: yes, manually edit /etc/passwd as root and change the /home/ahood to /home/ahood1
[07:06] <thoreauputic> don: it must. What command did you use?
[07:06] <|trey|> x0563511, also, on top of mount smbfs, apt-get install smbfs...
[07:06] <x0563511> aitrus, have to leave it at -o username=<user> and enter the password at prompt
[07:06] <mercurus> or whatever the directory was called
[07:06] <don> touch phpinfo.php
[07:07] <aitrus> x0563511: you can trying -o username=theuser,password=thepass
[07:07] <aitrus> x0563511: err... you can try
[07:07] <seek187> Ohhhhh nevermind I get it I got multiverse to work now thanks
[07:07] <thoreauputic> don: OK - what does ls -l phpinfo.php say in that dir?
[07:07] <don> ls: phpinfo.php: No such file or directory
[07:07] <|trey|> aitrus, that would be better done via kerberos (default for windows), or maybe gpg if its all windows...
[07:07] <x0563511> aitrus,  nope.
[07:08] <thoreauputic> don: touch gives no error messages?
[07:08] <janice> mercurus: how do I edit manually from a terminal? Do I use vi? I need a simple way (hehe)
[07:08] <don> touch: cannot touch `phpinfo.php': No such file or directory
[07:08] <x0563511> aitrus, Well, maybe ill just run an FTP server instead, mount that or something
[07:08] <|trey|> aitrus, not really safe to be transmitting a password in pure text...
[07:08] <x0563511> |trey|, its windows... it gets transmitted anyways
[07:08] <|trey|> s/if its all windows/if its all linux... blah
[07:09] <thoreauputic> don: what are you wanting to do? create and edit that file?
[07:09] <janice> mercurus: Or do I just type edit /etc/passwd?
[07:09] <jdub> x0563511: you had a comment about the window list?
[07:09] <x0563511> huh?
[07:09] <don> just create a php file in my /var/www/
[07:09] <billytwowilly> If I want something to run on user login (ie mount /mnt/hc) where would I put that?
[07:09] <mercurus> janice: vim is probably your best option
[07:09] <aitrus> |trey|: yeah... it would be better overall if it wasn't mounted at all using smb cause of uid/permission issues... =)
[07:09] <thoreauputic> don: try sudo touch instead
[07:09] <don> I am :P
[07:09] <aitrus> |trey|: but you're right... i just don't know off the top of my head how to do that stuff
[07:09] <thoreauputic> don: user probably can't write to that dir
[07:10] <jdub> x0563511: much earlier, you said: "apps appear on RIGHT of taskbar, not left"
[07:10] <don> What is the default directory for apt's apache2 htdocs folder?
[07:10] <x0563511> jdub, other way around, they appear on the left, instead of the right (like im used to)
[07:10] <|trey|> aitrus, samba can handle LDAP perms and ACL, so thats not *really* a big deal...
[07:11] <|trey|> aitrus, Linux itself supports ACL too...
[07:11] <jdub> x0563511: can you explain that in more detail? we're talking about the list of windows in the bottom panel, right?
[07:11] <janice> mercurus: The problem is that I cannot really log in because because I get that error message. I can choose to lot in a failsafe terminal though.
[07:11] <x0563511> jdub, correct. Including the /windows folder, X-Chat, XMMS, and snyaptic atm
[07:11] <mercurus> login as root to do so
[07:11] <janice> mercurus: I didn't think there was a root account.
[07:12] <janice> mercurus: How do I log in as root exactly?
[07:12] <|trey|> janice, sudo -s is a root shell...
[07:12] <jdub> x0563511: explain what you're doing, what do you expect to happen, and what actually happens
[07:12] <mercurus> janice: I thought you had a root terminal ...
[07:12] <mercurus> ok, janice hit Ctrl-Alt-F1
[07:12] <mercurus> then login normally
[07:12] <janice> I did, but I logged out.
[07:12] <aitrus> i'm outtie
[07:13] <seek187> How do I make it so I can see my windows partition without being root?
[07:13] <|trey|> aitrus, later
[07:13] <mercurus> janice: you logged out, or you were logged out by the system ?
[07:13] <x0563511> jdub, Lets say i have one application open, XMMS. I open another app, and instead of that app showing to the right of the XMMS bar, it appears to the left
[07:13] <don> What is the default directory for apt's apache2 htdocs folder?
[07:13] <x0563511> jdub, i call them bars, but they are like the task bar in windows
[07:13] <BrittBS> don: /var/www/
[07:14] <jdub> x0563511: which app did you open?
[07:14] <ttikk> ubuntu is a nice tweak on debian
[07:14] <|trey|> seek187, mount -o you,defaults,umask=002
[07:14] <ttikk> makes a bit easier to get going out of the box
[07:14] <jdub> x0563511: let's call them 'window buttons' :)
[07:14] <x0563511> YAY! My dj dawn mixes are streaming over smb now! into a mounted directory too!
[07:14] <|trey|> ttikk, plus its pretty close to how I usually set up my GNOME configurations anyways... so thats handy  :)
[07:14] <janice> mercurus: actually, I rebooted. The system did not log me out.
[07:14] <don> Why does it keep going to 'apache2-default' ?
[07:14] <x0563511> jdub, that works :)
[07:15] <BrittBS> don: it's set up that way in /etc/apache2/site-enabled/default
[07:15] <mercurus> janice: explain where you are, and what you are doing, and what you're trying to achieve - you've lost me completely.
[07:15] <jdub> x0563511: so which app do you start?
[07:15] <x0563511> jdub, doesnt matter
[07:15] <jdub> x0563511: it does...
[07:15] <janice> mercurus: Yes, I agree. I have achieved to confuse.
[07:15] <x0563511> jdub, i expect them to sort left to right, in order of launch (they launch right to left)
[07:15] <x0563511> jdub, er, sort r to l
[07:15] <jdub> x0563511: go to computer > home, then run the calculator. look at which side they appear on.
[07:16] <x0563511> jdub, ookay! it appeared on the right
[07:16] <jdub> x0563511: calculator did, but home didn't, right?
[07:16] <x0563511> jdub, and XMMS appears in between XChat and synaptic
[07:16] <janice> mercurus: I am now at a black screen with white letter and a prompt that has ahood@alanhood:
[07:16] <x0563511> jdub, what is it doing?
[07:17] <seek187> mount -o you,defaults,umask=002 <- you meaning my username? what if I am putting in fstab how would it look?
[07:17] <mercurus> janice: ok, edit /etc/passwd to reverse the changes you just made ...
[07:17] <mercurus> specifically, change ahood's home directory back
[07:17] <mercurus> then reoobt
[07:17] <|trey|> jdub, hah, never noticed that before... why was it done like that?
[07:18] <mercurus> hmm ... anyone use the Disk Mounter applet with USB drives ?
[07:18] <x0563511> i have a question...
[07:18] <don> You don't have permission to access /index.html on this server. :(
[07:18] <janice> mercurus: Unfortunately, I cannot because I get the message 'no write permission for file'
[07:18] <x0563511> if i enable "Remode Desktop"... will i be able to connect/use it from a windows remote desktop client? The one that comes with winxp?
[07:18] <BrittBS> janice: sudo youreditor /etc/passwd
[07:18] <mercurus> janice: using sudo ?
[07:19] <janice> BrittBS mercurus: no, I did not use sudo. I will try now.
[07:19] <mercurus> x0563511: any standard VNC client will work
[07:19] <jdub> x0563511: it's not strictly based on "order of creation of windows", it's annoyingly more complicated.
[07:19] <x0563511> mercurus, er, is the windows remote desktop a VNC client?
[07:19] <x0563511> jdub, is there a way to make it work like that?
[07:19] <jdub> x0563511: but it's something that a bunch of ex-windows users have mentioned, so i've wanted to work out what the problem was.
[07:20] <jdub> x0563511: potentially.
[07:20] <jdub> x0563511: windows remote desktop is not a vnc client. you need to get tightvnc or vnc.
[07:20] <janice> mercurus: I get the message 'ahood is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported'.
[07:20] <x0563511> jdub, it wont be a problem, i just had no idea what it was
[07:20] <thoreauputic> x0563511: why is this a big issue? I never even noticed it... ??
[07:20] <BrittBS> jdub: this came up on ddl recently didn't it? (at least in reference to the bugreport)
[07:20] <x0563511> jdub, are those standalone? i want something i can use from the college, but i cant install software (a standalone exe and a couple DLLS will work though)
[07:20] <jdub> BrittBS: hrm, don't recall
[07:21] <jdub> x0563511: yes, standalone exe
[07:21] <x0563511> jdub, kind of like putty, but for GUI instead of TTY
[07:21] <janice> mercurus: I can fix this by reinstalling Ubuntu completely. Do you think this is necessary?
[07:21] <BrittBS> jdub: i thought elijah had been working on revisiting the task order stuff
[07:21] <|trey|> jdub, I was under the impression that tsclient could function as a RDP client/server?
[07:22] <jdub> |trey|: re-read the conversation
[07:22] <|trey|> jdub, I did... RDP is Windows' Remote Desktop Protocol though...
[07:23] <thoreauputic> janice: not necessary, but possibly simpler unless you want to go into esoteric stuff... you have removed your user so the system doesn't see you as authorised to use sudo
[07:23] <|trey|> jdub, I know RDP is a Terminal Service...
[07:23] <|trey|> (ie uses Terminal Server...)
[07:23] <|trey|> Had to set up a remote desktop server...
[07:24] <x0563511> er, nautilus just randomly ditched on me...
[07:24] <janice> thoreauputic: It sure was easy to do. (uh).
[07:24] <BrittBS> woohoo :) dpkg -l | grep howl <--- that's awesome
[07:24] <jdub> |trey|: he's asking about the remote desktop, not tsclient.
[07:25] <thoreauputic> janice: what? removing your user or installing ? :)
[07:25] <x0563511> anyone else get homicidal when they see the Yahoo Messenger icon?
[07:25] <mercurus> janice: you don't need to re-install, you need to edit one file, to change one thing.
[07:26] <jdub> janice: reboot, hit escape when it prompts you, choose 'recovery mode'
[07:26] <mercurus> janice: reboot into recovery mode, you'll be presented with a root login
[07:26] <mercurus> *shell
[07:26] <jdub> janice: then type 'visudo' at the prompt
[07:26] <jdub> janice: copy the root line, swap 'root' with your user name
[07:26] <mercurus> use that to edit the /etc/passwd file
[07:26] <jdub> mercurus: no
[07:26] <jdub> janice: then reboot
[07:26] <mercurus> jdub: ?
[07:27] <thoreauputic> janice: jdub knows - follow his advice :)
[07:27] <|trey|> jdub, apt-cache show tsclient, tsclient supports rdp which is the windows remote desktop protocol, it is by definition 'an rdesktop client'... can't be used as a server? or rdesktop can't at least?
[07:27] <jdub> janice: your user is not in sudoers, right?
[07:28] <jdub> |trey|: dude, re-read the conversation. it was not about the client.
[07:28] <|trey|> jdub, just saying why not use rdp instead of those other clients due to having a lot of probs with windows vnc clients...
[07:30] <janice> jdub: correct
[07:31] <seek187> hmmm How do you edit the Application menus in this gnome? Xmms isnt showing up on my menu
[07:31] <x0563511> wow, this vnc thing is awesome! im using the terminal from accross the room, and i can see myself typing on it's screen!
[07:31] <seek187> VNC rules :)
[07:31] <janice> jdub mercurus: I am in recover mode and at a root@alanhod: prompt
[07:31] <mercurus> x0563511: indeed :) Remote X is better though
[07:31] <|trey|> jdub, bah... says rdesktop is only a RDP client  :(   know of any servers for Linux that can handle RDP?
[07:31] <x0563511> but can you connect to an X server with windows?
[07:31] <x0563511> without installing anything?
[07:32] <mercurus> rdesktop - RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server
[07:32] <mercurus> libwpd-dev - Library for handling WordPerfect documents (development)
[07:32] <mercurus> libwpd7 - Library for handling WordPerfect documents (shared library)
[07:32] <mercurus> tsclient - Windows Terminal Services (RDP) client for GNOME
[07:32] <WX> how do i enable smtp from outside of 127.0.0.1
[07:32] <janice> jdub mercurus: should I type visudo?
[07:32] <mercurus> x0563511: you have to install an X server on windows (if VNC floats your boats, that's all you need)
[07:32] <|trey|> mercurus, I actually know how to use xhost and ssh -X   :)
[07:32] <x0563511> x0563511, it will do, but how will it work over a standard cable provider?
[07:33] <x0563511> er, that was for you mercurus, not myself lol
[07:33] <|trey|> x0563511, talking to yourself is the first sign of insanity  ;)
[07:33] <x0563511> lol
[07:33] <mercurus> |trey|: I find it very useful ... I bring my laptop home, and use X to display my work on my desktop ... meaning large screen, mouse and keyboard :)
[07:34] <x0563511> mercurus, very much easier than hooking it into the keyboard and other peripherals directly, plus you can use the desktop itself
[07:34] <mercurus> x0563511: what do you mean "over a standard cable provider" you mean VNCing someone's desktop via the internet ?
[07:34] <|trey|> mercurus, being able to have multiple X clients active at the same time is very useful  :)
[07:34] <x0563511> mercurus, IE leaving my laptop at home, and VNCing it from my university
[07:34] <mercurus> x0563511: it would be tolerable ... but would flood bandiwdth ... it is very difficult to control in that regard
[07:35] <x0563511> mercurus, heh im OK with that...
[07:35] <mercurus> I've run remote X to my laptop at uni, from my server at home though
[07:35] <mercurus> x0563511: it would flood your Uni's bandwidth too ...
[07:35] <x0563511> mercurus, its capped at 75kb/s
[07:35] <x0563511> mercurus, per server... so downloading is not that bad
[07:35] <mercurus> remote X uses much less bandwidth than VNC
[07:35] <WX> how do i allow smtp connections from the network?
[07:35] <|trey|> mercurus, its amazing that that isn't that slow!!  ssh would have been better, but very slow forwarding X over the web.
[07:36] <janice> jdub mercurus: visudo presented me with a screen that I knew nothing about.
[07:36] <mercurus> x0563511: I'd check with Uni admins before I did it ... otherwise you might be accused of a DoS ...
[07:36] <x0563511> WX, you need to allow port 25 incoming. thats all i can tell you though
[07:36] <WX> x0563511, thanks... got that part, but not sure what to change of ubuntu's default
[07:36] <|trey|> janice, did you read what is commented?
[07:36] <jdub> WX: see the mynetworks line in /etc/postfix/main.cf
[07:36] <x0563511> x0563511, maybe ill just run it on my desktop, and connect to it from my laptop (at uni) with a fake MAC address on both sides....
[07:36] <mercurus> WX: depends on your SMTP daemon ... and your firewall, and iptables configuration ... and possibly bridging
[07:37] <x0563511> for some reason BOTH computers let me change MAC address
[07:37] <|trey|> janice, it should explain the file fairly well... you just set up people to be able to configure your box in there...
[07:37] <|trey|> s/people/accounts/
[07:37] <x0563511> there i go, talking to myself again
[07:37] <jdub> WX: and the first two uncommented lines in master.cf
[07:37] <BrittBS> janice: move your cursor to the line 'root    ALL=(ALL) ALL', press y twice, then press p. Then move teh cursor to the new line just created and hit x until you've erased the word root. Then hit i and type your new username. Then hit escape. Then hit :  then type qw and hit enter :)
[07:38] <nevyn> x0563511: change them to the same thing you know you want to.
[07:38] <jdub> BrittBS: (yay! thanks)
[07:38] <WX> jdub, in master.cf, first 2 lines are uncommented
[07:38] <BrittBS> jdub: :)
[07:38] <jdub> WX: the first two uncommented lines
[07:38] <x0563511> nevyn, ive tried that. for some reason, they got different IP addresses, but my sniffer was showing them using identical MACs.
[07:38] <x0563511> wait...
[07:38] <WX> 127.0.0.1:smtp inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
[07:38] <WX> ::1:smtp       inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
[07:38] <x0563511> how long is the WHOLE mac address?
[07:38] <jdub> yes
[07:39] <jdub> remove the 127.0.0.1:
[07:39] <WX> k
[07:40] <x0563511> anyone? how many bytes is the whole MAC address?
[07:40] <janice> |trey| and BrittBS: I am not good at this at all. It is nearly 2:00 am for me and I need to resolve this quick.
[07:40] <|trey|> x0563511, its 6 bits  :)
[07:40] <janice> |trey| and BrittBS: I do appreciate your help. I am just getting at my wits end.
[07:41] <|trey|> Well, 6 hex values... ifconfig...
[07:41] <x0563511> |trey|, but is that the whole thing? I thought part of it was hidden...
[07:41] <|trey|> x0563511, no, thats the whole thing...
[07:41] <BrittBS> janice: to break it down, you need to edit a file that contains configuration info about superusers for your system, but it's mandated that you use a text editor, vi, to do it. vi can be a bit cryptic to new users, so if you just follow the instructions i posted above one at a time, you should be good to go
[07:41] <x0563511> |trey|, hmm, i can set all 6 bytes
[07:42] <x0563511> |trey|, but the DHCP server can tell them apart
[07:42] <WX> thanks jdub works now
[07:42] <|trey|> x0563511, yes, but thats illegal afaik...
[07:42] <|trey|> at least to spoof over the internet, it is...
[07:42] <BrittBS> janice: (then reboot as jdub noted above)
[07:42] <x0563511> |trey|, well, its not really spoofing... not if i make up my own company code and everything (to keep my real mac private)
[07:43] <|trey|> x0563511, well, if you report the new mac address to yourself... then its not illegal...
[07:43] <x0563511> |trey|, huh?
[07:43] <|trey|> x0563511, might have difficulty explaining it to your ISP though...
[07:44] <x0563511> |trey|, well, what i do is change my MAC to some arbitrary value (ei 0E:FF:70:CC:DF:01) and just use that
[07:44] <nevyn> |trey|: the internet never ever sees the frame headers.
[07:44] <x0563511> but the cable modem has its own MAC, and thats all the ISP gets
[07:44] <|trey|> x0563511, if you really want to... man 5 iptables I believe...
[07:45] <|trey|> nevyn, I dunno, maybe I am wrong, but I never did it cuz I thought it was illegal  :/
[07:45] <|trey|> (was told it was..)
[07:45] <x0563511> im pretty confident about my laptops security (not this station though... simple NAT passthrough, no firewall. its behind a wireless gateway though, so)
[07:46] <RuffianSoldier> http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/
[07:46] <x0563511> |trey|, if noone finds out... <shhh>
[07:46] <x0563511> |trey|, its not like im doing anything illicit
[07:46] <thoreauputic> BrittBS: actually I noticed on my system that one does not *have* to use vi to edit /etc/sudoers - nano as root works fine here: any reason not to do it that way?
[07:47] <|trey|> thoreauputic, because, if you know your way around vi, its a lot faster to get such things done...
[07:48] <|trey|> thoreauputic, vim was designed with administration of config files in mind...
[07:48] <thoreauputic> |trey|: I think you missed the point - I was trying to find easier ways for janice to do what she needs to do
[07:48] <x0563511> im my mind, simple = easier (not faster)
[07:48] <x0563511> i like nano for managing grub, fstab, ect
[07:48] <thoreauputic> |trey|: and once again, you are kind of preaching to the choir :)
[07:48] <|trey|> thoreauputic, I agree, for janice, nano would be easier... but BrittBS does appear to know vim well...
[07:49] <|trey|> thoreauputic, ;)
[07:49] <thoreauputic> I don't doubt it :)
[07:49] <x0563511> Hey, what is this "Evolution" groupware useful for?
[07:49] <nevyn> |trey|: spoofing a mac is only a local attack anyway
[07:49] <jdub> thoreauputic: visudo is very helpful, it double-checks your changes before saving them. if you set EDITOR, it will use whichever editor you define.
[07:49] <jdub> x0563511: mail, calendar, contacts, etc.
[07:49] <x0563511> nevyn, its kinda pointless to spoof a MAC to attack your own two computer network, unless your auditing
[07:49] <thoreauputic> jdub: ah I see - thanks I didn't know it did checks :)
[07:50] <x0563511> OOH!
[07:50] <x0563511> Terminal Services Client!
[07:50] <nevyn> x0563511: if you're playing with local attacks btw.. have a look at ettercap
[07:50] <x0563511> that will let me connect to my windows XP Remote Desktop
[07:50] <BrittBS> thoreauputic: from the man page, visudo edits the sudoers file in a safe fashion, analogous to vipw(8). visudo locks the sudoers file against multiple simultaneous edits, provides basic sanity checks, and checks for parse errors. If the sudoers file is currently being edited you will receive a message to try again later.
[07:50] <nevyn> x0563511: yeah...
[07:50] <x0563511> x0563511, i will, i have its source kicking around with etherial somewhere
[07:51] <BrittBS> thoreauputic: so you can get away with other editors, but visudo is the safe/proper way to do it
[07:51] <|trey|> Ruffian-ZzZzZz, night  :)
[07:51] <thoreauputic> BrittBS: OK - I get it now ;) Thanks for the info :)
[07:51] <jdub> BrittBS: (EDITOR=nano visudo)
[07:51] <x0563511> lol that isnt right
[07:51] <x0563511> loggin into windows xp on a Nix box
[07:52] <BrittBS> jdub: ah cool! i didn't know that worked like that
[07:52] <janice> BrittBS: I followed your vi instructions and created a new line just below root, but when I enter : and type qw vi says that qw is not a command. How do I save/exit vi?
[07:52] <jdub> x0563511: a large number of thin client machines these days run linux, and use the software you're using right now (rdesktop, which is run by tsclient)
[07:52] <jdub> janice: :wq
[07:52] <BrittBS> janice: whoops, yeah
[07:53] <janice> jdub BrittBS: LOL
[07:53] <x0563511> jdub, i saw that at my High School... but unfortunatly all the control-F# terminals launched X (and hence, the rdesktop) immediatly after opening
[07:53] <mercurus> anyone know if I can link totem-xine to mozilla with plugins ?
[07:53] <|trey|> jdub, wouldn't that be kinda overkill for a thin client?
[07:53] <x0563511> jdub, and without admin rights, no init 1
[07:53] <jdub> |trey|: no
[07:53] <x0563511> hmm... its faster than the windows RD client too... wierd
[07:54] <x0563511> makes me wonder (more) about the quality of M$ software
[07:54] <mercurus> eg. I've installed all the codecs and I'm happy with totem-xine ... can I link mozilla to it, rather than having mplayer as well ... and if so, is there a package to do so ?
[07:54] <|trey|> jdub, would need X and GNOME atleast, right? thats atleast 300-500MB...
[07:54] <janice> BrittBS: vi says that I have a syntax error at line 1 and says 'What now'. What do I enter?
[07:54] <x0563511> wait...
[07:54] <x0563511> im sitting at my linux box
[07:54] <|trey|> jdub, 300-500MB isn't very thin imo  ;)
[07:54] <jdub> |trey|: no, X and rdesktop.
[07:54] <x0563511> RDed into my win laptop
[07:54] <x0563511> VNCed back into my linux box
[07:54] <jdub> |trey|: which is going to be less than a meg.
[07:54] <BrittBS> janice: can you paste the first line here?
[07:55] <x0563511> something is not right here....
[07:55] <jdub> depending on how it's configured
[07:55] <janice> I can't see it. How do I see it?
[07:55] <BrittBS> janice: type e, then hit enter
[07:55] <x0563511> AAAH!
[07:55] <x0563511> my machine did the "hall of mirrors" and got mad at me for nested remote desktops
[07:55] <|trey|> jdub, less then a meg? have any docs on that? would be very interested to read about how to manage that  :)
[07:56] <jdub> |trey|: there are heaps of embedded linux distros that do it.
[07:56] <htaccess> sync with ntp.ubantu.org is failing at startup, where do i set my ntp server so i can change it to a local one
[07:56] <x0563511> .... i just did the "camcorder into TV" trick with computers and networking...
[07:56] <BrittBS> x0563511: that's a vino bug that pops up when connecting to localhost
[07:56] <jdub> htaccess: computer > system configuration > time and date
[07:56] <x0563511> BrittBS, no errors, but think about it.
[07:57] <jdub> BrittBS: that's not really a bug, dude (and he's not connecting to localhost...)
[07:57] <x0563511> Im RDed into the laptop, which is VNCed into the Desktop, which is actually RDed into the laptop.... ect
[07:57] <htaccess> jdub: isnt there a file i can edit?
[07:57] <|trey|> jdub, able to list one? also, Ubuntu should think about having a 'dirivative' that was configured to do that, would make Ubuntu very appearling in Enterprise...
[07:57] <x0563511> needless to say that was 'interesting'
[07:57] <|trey|> appealing*
[07:57] <BrittBS> jdub: sorry wasn't really following convo ... and connecting to localhost running vncserver works properly, so shouldn't vino also?
[07:57] <jdub> htaccess: /etc/ntp.conf or /etc/default/ntpdate depending on which one is problematic
[07:58] <htaccess> jdub: thanks
[07:58] <jdub> BrittBS: 'properly'? :)
[07:58] <BrittBS> jdub: non-spastically :)
[07:59] <jdub> BrittBS: vino exports the current session, you can't connect to the current session on the current session and expect it to do something 'non-spastic' ;)
[07:59] <BrittBS> jdub: report a sane error that you souldn't eb doing that
[07:59] <jdub> BrittBS: similarly if you connect to a remote host and subsequently connect to the current session... ;)
[07:59] <janice> BrittBS: I think I fixed it. There was the letter 't' in front of the '#' in the first line. I am rebooting. So, do you think I now can log in?
[07:59] <|trey|> jdub, haha
[07:59] <jdub> (which is what x0563511 was doing)
[08:00] <x0563511> well, thanks for all the help
[08:00] <jdub> BrittBS: for localhost, that's doable
[08:00] <x0563511> ill be back if i get stumped again
[08:00] <BrittBS> janice: should be able to :)
[08:00] <|trey|> jdub, you know far too much *nods*
[08:00] <jdub> BrittBS: although you can't tell which user's session you're connecting to
[08:01] <|trey|> jdub, I don't see how its possible... I only have 6 hours per day that can't be spent learning  :(
[08:01] <htaccess> um in kde there is an applet called klipper which holds the clipboard with a history, is there something similar for gnome?
[08:01] <|trey|> well, learning what I want, I'm still at school though...
[08:02] <jdub> htaccess: not by default, no
[08:02] <BrittBS> jdub: can't because it hasn't been implemented in gnome-session or can't because it's not technically practical?
[08:02] <janice> BrittBS: Same problem. I appreciate the help though. The problem stems from the fact that I had changed the directory name, but it does not exist.
[08:02] <|trey|> htaccess, the clipboard is one thing that annoys me about GNOME... needs a daemon that remembers the clipboard if you close an app...
[08:02] <jdub> BrittBS: the user's vino server would have to expose the username
[08:02] <jdub> janice: you changed your user's home directory?
[08:02] <|trey|> htaccess, currently though, you just have to keep both apps open when you copy and paste...
[08:02] <janice> BrittBS: I am reinstalling. What file system is best? ext3? Reiserfs?
[08:03] <deFrysk> janice, for speed xfs
[08:03] <|trey|> jdub, [00:02]  <|trey|> htaccess, the clipboard is one thing that annoys me about GNOME... needs a daemon that remembers the clipboard if you close an app...   <-- Any chance of this being fixed in the near future? I saw someone was working on a clipboard daemon...
[08:03] <AlohaWolf> how do I get windows bootable again after an install?
[08:03] <jdub> janice: choose ext3
[08:03] <htaccess> jdub: i was afraid of that, i remember trying to find on once, and did, but i didnt get it working (dont remember its name)
[08:03] <jdub> htaccess: the reason it's not there is because if you copy 100MB worth of stuff, klipper automatically copies it. that gets bad, fast. :-)
[08:04] <BrittBS> jdub: hmm. ok well i need to look at the vino details a bit more
[08:04] <jdub> htaccess: so there have been a couple written for gnome, but none have got it right so far (it's very hard, and requires deeper changes than just writing a clipboard daemon)
[08:04] <htaccess> jdub: yes I guess, surely if that was a real problem they could make any particular entry limited to some size
[08:05] <htaccess> doesnt sound like a good reson not to have a functional clipboard
[08:05] <jdub> htaccess: unfortunately, you can't :)
[08:05] <jdub> htaccess: once you're copying it, you're copying it :)
[08:05] <jdub> the clipboard is functional
[08:05] <|trey|> jdub, its good that people are aware of it... I hope they don't get too used to the current scheme though, when you accidently close the old app, its very annoying   :(
[08:05] <jdub> it just has a couple of behavioural differences to windows that some users find alarming
[08:05] <htaccess> at work i use the histroy feature of the clipboard constantly, like 200 times per day
[08:06] <htaccess> er thats kde on fc2 not windows btw
[08:06] <|trey|> jdub, I guess I am an example of "some users"   ;)
[08:07] <jdub> htaccess: i know
[08:07] <BrittBS> the clipboard situation is not terribly unlike the halting problem :)
[08:07] <jdub> htaccess: the feature's there to make things work like windows/mac though
[08:07] <htaccess> crikey am i talking to jeff waugh here :)
[08:07] <BrittBS> i take that back, the halting problem is probably easier
[08:07] <janice> One last question. My hard disk has unusable space. How do I make it usuable?
[08:07] <htaccess> ?
[08:07] <jdub> er, yeah.
[08:08] <jdub> BrittBS: halting problem?
[08:08] <htaccess> cool, excellent distro btw, thanks for all the hard work on ubantu gnome etc. :)
[08:08] <jdub> thanks :)
[08:08] <BrittBS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_problem
[08:08] <BrittBS> "The importance of the halting problem lies in the fact that it is the first problem to be proved undecidable."
[08:09] <janice> The space became unusable after using qtparted and I had a linux distribution that formatted it with reiserfs.
[08:09] <|trey|> jdub, just out of curiosity, how often do you "check out the competition"? Seems you would be pretty occupied with GNOME, but you seem very aware of others etc... didn't really expect that  :)
[08:09] <jdub> have to be aware of the competition
[08:09] <jdub> otherwise you're not competing
[08:09] <|trey|> jdub, thats a very good point  :)
[08:10] <jdub> BrittBS: oh. heh, totally missed it in context.
[08:11] <|trey|> jdub, only thing that keeps me going to other things currently is no right click menu on desktop though... I would be utterly hooked if that were there... have it display "Applications" menu, and I would be utterly at home  :)
[08:11] <janice> Does anyone know how to make unusable space usable?
[08:11] <Pizbit> |trey|: There's bound to be an easy way to do that heh
[08:11] <|trey|> jdub, else its just another thing I have to "live with" and I don't like feeling like I am settling... everything else is so nice  :(
[08:11] <jdub> janice: what's on the disk at the moment?
[08:12] <jdub> |trey|: unlikely that'll happen any time soon. just hit alt-f1.
[08:12] <|trey|> jdub, thats a pretty small "gotcha" I think... compared with annoyances elsewhere atleast, I just miss it  :(
[08:12] <janice> jdub: At the moment, there are three fat32 partitions. one ext3 partition and 80 gig of unusable space.
[08:12] <Pizbit> |trey|: Use alt+F2 and type the commands in and use tab completion:)
[08:13] <|trey|> jdub, still have to move mouse to menu, or use keyboard up down with is not really practicle  :(
[08:13] <jdub> janice: 80GB? crap. where does it say 'unusable'?
[08:14] <|trey|> Pizbit, thats useful too... its just, I think its the only thing really that next did right... its very useful imo...
[08:14] <|trey|> Each time I install GNOME, its the reason I end up installing something else... cuz I miss it that much...
[08:14] <Pizbit> Heh
[08:15] <|trey|> Long time flux > enlightenment > wmaker > kde > xfce4 user... this is the longest GNOME has stayed though due to it...
[08:15] <|trey|> All the others have it  :(
[08:15] <janice> jdub: In all partitioning tools I throw at it. It was created after I had used qtparted from System_rescueCD to create more space on a 120 reiserfs partition only to learn later that qtparted has problems with reiserfs. Have I lost this space forever?
[08:16] <BrittBS> |trey|: you could always use another wm
[08:16] <BrittBS> |trey|: although you lose the other functionality of metacity and the desktop context menu
[08:16] <|trey|> BrittBS, I started trying to use Waimea actually, but it doesn't comply with GNOME themes  :(
[08:17] <AlohaWolf> can anyone tell me how to configure grub so I can boot windows as well?
[08:17] <|trey|> (colors mainly, so it looks out of place, I see no way to change them though  :(   )
[08:17] <|trey|> AlohaWolf, BIOS needs to be set up to use LBA
[08:18] <AlohaWolf> trey, I figured that out
[08:18] <|trey|> AlohaWolf, ok... do it...
[08:18] <AlohaWolf> I need to know how to add the line into grub
[08:18] <|trey|> AlohaWolf, I believe it is there... you just need to uncomment it...
[08:18] <AlohaWolf> |trey|, where is what to uncoment?
[08:19] <|trey|> AlohaWolf, ahh, nm, they removed that text afaict  :(
[08:19] <|trey|> AlohaWolf, update-grub doesn't find it?
[08:20] <AlohaWolf> apearently not
[08:20] <|trey|> title Windows
[08:20] <|trey|>         rootnoverify (hd0,0)
[08:20] <|trey|>         chainloader +1
[08:20] <|trey|> Add that
[08:21] <thoreauputic> |trey|: you can probably get gnome themes working in waimea by putting gnome-settings-daemon in your startup file - I do it with fluxbox anyway
[08:21] <AlohaWolf> |trey|, into what file?
[08:21] <jdub> janice: i doubt it, but it seems strange.
[08:21] <|trey|> AlohaWolf, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:21] <jdub> janice: perhaps one partition was created incorrectly.
[08:22] <|trey|> thoreauputic, I don't like that fluxbox still brings along its own task bar...
[08:22] <|trey|> thoreauputic, Flux definatly isn't designed to work with a DE...
[08:23] <|trey|> (although it does follow the standards to do so...)
[08:23] <thoreauputic> |trey|: well, I can show you the lines i'm talking about if you want to try them in waimea - shall I paste them in #flood for you?
[08:23] <|trey|> thoreauputic, sure  :)
[08:23] <thoreauputic> |trey|: OK hang on a second
[08:25] <|trey|> thoreauputic, where are you putting that? ~/.xsession?
[08:26] <thoreauputic> |trey|: yes - with my other startups like xscreensaver and fluxbox
[08:26] <|trey|> thoreauputic, cool, thanks, I will give it a shot  :)
[08:27] <thoreauputic> :) you're welcome - also install switch for theme switches
[08:28] <slade_> is unrar no longer in apt?
[08:28] <thoreauputic> |trey|: sudo apt-get install gtk-theme-switch
[08:29] <Patric1> goodmoring all
[08:29] <|trey|> thoreauputic, I've used that before... but why would I need it if I am still having control-center installed?
[08:29] <thoreauputic> |trey|: up to you - whatever works for you  :)
[08:30] <|trey|> thoreauputic, :)  only time I don't have control-center installed is if I am using gtk2-engines-gtk-qt  :)
[08:30] <Adrenal> i noticed the taskbar is placed at the top, whilst an applet bar is at the bottom, is there any way to 'merge' the two?
[08:30] <thoreauputic> |trey|: I like it because it pops up fast and is small :)
[08:31] <|trey|> Adrenal, unlock everything and move then (both done via right clicking on applet)
[08:31] <Adrenal> sweet
[08:31] <|trey|> Adrenal, ps, everything you see on the panels are applets...
[08:31] <Adrenal> ah k
[08:32] <|trey|> thoreauputic, true  :)  I am just always forget to add it to menu's etc... when on the desktop, I try to use those tools  :)
[08:34] <thoreauputic> |trey|: well, my fluxbox menu is pretty heavily customised
[08:34] <|trey|> thoreauputic, Themes or the KDE KCM load fast anyways, and are more powerful  :)
[08:34] <thoreauputic> but I'm using flux stand-alone, not with a DE
[08:35] <Adrenal> which do you guys prefer, gnome or kde?
[08:35] <mercurus> Adrenal: GNOME all the way ... since 2.6
[08:35] <Adrenal> personally, i am a disciple of gnome
[08:35] <|trey|> thoreauputic, heh, I had like 300 vd's on flux once, crazy... usually stuck with the Debian Menu though due to being more familier with it (note I didn't say I liked it... badly laid out imo)
[08:35] <mercurus> but I used GNOME pre-1.2
[08:35] <thoreauputic> Adrenal: heh - since Ubuntu is based around GNOME, you won't get unbiased answers ;)
[08:35] <Adrenal> lol
[08:36] <Adrenal> ubuntu is based around gnome, i am so getting it now
[08:36] <mercurus> ...
[08:36] <sid77> I was used to kde, but gnome is also good (and I haven't time/bandwith for kde ;)
[08:36] <|trey|> Adrenal, I am a disciple of good, useful software...
[08:36] <|trey|> Adrenal, GNOME is one such project...   :)
[08:36] <Adrenal> lol
[08:37] <liten> i love minimalizm+bloatware :)
[08:37] <liten> so its ratpoison+gdesklets
[08:37] <thoreauputic> liten: bizarre :/
[08:37] <liten> thoreauputic: i know :P
[08:37] <|trey|> Adrenal, so are XFCE4, KDE, most of FreeDesktop.org, Apache, Samba, OpenLDAP/OpenDirectory, OpenNet/mDNS...
[08:37] <thoreauputic> heheh ;)
[08:38] <janice> Thank you for everyone's help. Especially Bob2, mercurus, jdub, |trey| and BrittBS.
[08:38] <liten> oh, did she get her fstab to mount her drives?
[08:39] <|trey|> liten, by the speed she left, I'm not so sure she did  :(
[08:39] <thoreauputic> that was the least of her worries
[08:39] <sid77> lol
[08:39] <liten> thoreauputic: it was her worry when i went to sleep
[08:39] <|trey|> thoreauputic, haha, I stopped paying attention  :(
[08:40] <thoreauputic> she got a crash course in vi, amongst other things :)
[08:40] <|trey|> thoreauputic, ahh, I remember that part... her head probably kinda hurts, but if she grasped at least some of it, she will be ok in a few months  :)
[08:40] <|trey|> If she sticks with it  ...
[08:41] <htaccess> hmm, long time since i saw a new screen saver :)
[08:41] <|trey|> htaccess, there are screensavers other then "Blank Screen"?  ;)
[08:41] <thoreauputic> heh - well she probably quit before the room started spinning...
[08:42] <slade_> how do i install the full kernel source tree?
[08:42] <liten> in "vi"?
[08:42] <liten> not vim?
[08:42] <liten> ow, thats evil :P
[08:42] <thoreauputic> liten: well, I expect vi is symlinked with vim
[08:42] <|trey|> liten, vi isn't used anymore... nvi and vim are the only surviving vi implementations afaik...
[08:43] <|trey|> nvi is painful though  :(
[08:43] <|trey|> very unforgiving  :(
[08:43] <liten> hehe, i have machines with both vi and vim
[08:43] <liten> then again, i still have a machine with deb potato
[08:43] <|trey|> liten, I bet its nvi not vi...
[08:43] <|trey|> nvi = bsd's vi...
[08:44] <|trey|> also Debian and (afaik) Slack amoungst others' default vi editors..
[08:44] <|trey|> editor*
[08:44] <|trey|> my grammar sucks  :(
[08:44] <liten> trey i know, but it is vi in potato
[08:45] <thoreauputic> liten: are you an archaeologist ? </joke>
[08:45] <liten> old and useless
[08:45] <htaccess> yea but you never invoke nvi as nvi, just vi
[08:45] <|trey|> liten, no its not, its still nvi actually...
[08:45] <|trey|> nvi has been default since at least slink...
[08:45] <liten> |trey|: in most linuxreleases aye, seems so
[08:45] <htaccess> i still have some Freebsd boxes thaqt ive never installed vim on
[08:45] <|trey|> (I accidentally installed slink once...)
[08:46] <stuNNed_> anyone getting totem-xine or muine only outputting to 'pcm front' with alsa drivers?
[08:46] <|trey|> htaccess, I think one of the boxes in my garage has FreeBSd or OpenBSD on it  :/
[08:46] <Treenaks> |trey|: you don't know that?? hmmm
[08:47] <htaccess> even osx ships with vim as defualt i think
[08:47] <|trey|> Treenaks, it was a long time ago... more then likely OpenBSD due to FreeBSD being more stable, and remembering being very frustrated at it when I took it out of here  :)
[08:47] <vasi> pico forever!
[08:47] <|trey|> vasi, pico is non-free... nano you mean  :/
[08:47] <vasi> er, yeah :-)
[08:47] <thoreauputic> vasi: booo - unfree!! :)
[08:47] <calc> daniels: hi
[08:47] <vasi> anyway nano has -i and -w, very helpful those
[08:48] <daniels> calc: sup
[08:48] <|trey|> Hey calc  :)
[08:48] <calc> |trey|: hi
[08:48] <|trey|> Hey daniels   :)
[08:48] <calc> daniels: not much just trying to get kde finished for sarge so i can go do something else more interesting ;)
[08:48] <linux_mafia> |trey|, my main wigger, do you ever sleep? heh
[08:48] <htaccess> so what does universe contain if debian-marillat has mplayer and win32 codecs and mp3 support etc?
[08:49] <|trey|> calc, I swear to god thats the wrong attitude for a maintainer  ;)
[08:49] <calc> htaccess: the rest of official debian
[08:49] <calc> |trey|: indeed, please take kde
[08:49] <calc> |trey|: i haven't wanted to maintain it for like years ;)
[08:49] <|trey|> calc, last I checked, there were over 400 bugs in KDE though, you have to get all those done for sarge?
[08:49] <|trey|> fuck that  ;)
[08:49] <htaccess> calc: ah, i see
[08:50] <calc> |trey|: no, heh
[08:50] <calc> kde is like windoze it will ship with many hundreds/thousands of bugs
[08:50] <|trey|> calc, you dropped it I thought? just taking part of the kde maintainers team?
[08:51] <calc> |trey|: well the team is still very thin, a couple people took a few packages, but i still have most of my original ones
[08:51] <|trey|> calc, you should just not do anything for a while, see if anyone gets into gear  :)
[08:51] <calc> |trey|: i did for kde 3.3.1 ;)
[08:51] <calc> perhaps i need to wait longer, like a year ;)
[08:52] <|trey|> calc, plus, try and convince the Kalyxo folks to take part, then kinda disappear... they seem to like KDE more  ;)
[08:52] <calc> yea
[08:52] <calc> some of them have now
[08:52] <calc> i waited nearly a month to upload kde 3.3.1 (just did kdelibs a few days ago)
[08:52] <|trey|> calc, thats cool... interesting stuff... not very mainstream though  :(
[08:53] <|trey|> calc, you were so snappy with 3.3.0  :(
[08:53] <calc> yea
[08:53] <calc> been doing other things lately trying to get a job, etc
[08:54] <|trey|> calc, yeah, I heard those were useful for stuff  ;)
[08:54] <daniels> calc: heh
[08:54] <daniels> calc: and no way I'm taking it again
[08:54] <calc> muhahaha :)
[08:54] <daniels> |trey|: the Kalyxo folk have other ideas in mind, and their project is going in another different direction
[08:55] <calc> i've been trying to free up some more space as well so i can work on some other projects like x.org/gnome, etc
[08:55] <calc> got rid of about 30GB of crap recently
[08:56] <|trey|> daniels, when I first saw Ubuntu I thought "kalyxo for gnome"... a nice, customized, kde, set up with Debian users in mind...
[08:57] <|trey|> daniels, used to be a big fan of KDE... just liking GNOME more since 2.6
[08:57] <calc> |trey|: the only reason i switched to kde was gnome 2.0 was taking too long to release ;)
[08:57] <|trey|> (kopete needing xmms, and not liking kwallet being main reasons)
[08:58] <tensor> hmmm
[08:58] <|trey|> calc, heh... what you maintain before kde?
[08:58] <calc> |trey|: xiph stuff, perl stuff, usb stuff, etc
[08:58] <tensor> calc: furthermore, gnome 2.8 file dialog box doesn't allow you to type in the full path
[08:59] <tensor> but i still prefer gnome's clean and simple look
[08:59] <|trey|> calc, ahh, xiph is very interesting  :)
[09:00] <calc> |trey|: well gtk1.2 was better than what i started with, but there just wasn't much uniformity in gnome before 2.x
[09:00] <|trey|> Just wish it would be pushed more, so more media was in there formats  :(
[09:00] <Gmail> ok some people have told me they can't wait for there ubuntu cds a few weeks i am burning some in sydney and selling them for 10c profit on ebay.com.au (the 10c goes to they work in burning them)
[09:00] <calc> kde until 2 was not distributable from what i recall so i used windowmaker, gnome, etc
[09:00] <|trey|> calc, I have never liked the motif look... :(
[09:01] <calc> plus kde prior to 2.x wasn't particularly pretty either
[09:01] <calc> |trey|: not much choice back in 1995 :)
[09:01] <|trey|> calc, I got on bored in 2001, much better choice  :)
[09:02] <calc> but using suns reminds me of how ugly oss systems used to be ;)
[09:02] <|trey|> calc, by default (keramik) kde still isn't very pretty... (not sure if this is what you mean though by "pretty")
[09:03] <stuNNed_> what xine config file does totem-xine adhere to?
[09:03] <htaccess> hmm im getting the feeling im going to like this distro
[09:03] <calc> |trey|: yea, it is hideous
[09:03] <calc> |trey|: but kde 1.x was worse ;)
[09:03] <|trey|> calc, haha, yeah  ;)
[09:04] <|trey|> Best default so far was prolly the 2.x series, although that was kinda a rip of Mac  :(
[09:04] <htaccess> what integrates better into ubantu, xmule or amule?
[09:04] <jdub> stuNNed_: ~/.gnome2/totem_config
[09:04] <jdub> htaccess: 'ubuntu' :-)
[09:04] <calc> |trey|: aiui plastik may be the default for 4.0
[09:04] <vasi> it's all a matter of themes though
[09:04] <|trey|> htaccess, both are motif like...
[09:05] <stuNNed_> jdub, dang xine/alsa troubles :D
[09:05] <htaccess> wxwigets like no?
[09:05] <|trey|> calc, I like plastik a lot  :)
[09:05] <vasi> hey, industrial has rounded windows! sweet...
[09:05] <|trey|> calc, used it with gtk2-engines-gtk-qt for a while, but its still kinda buggy  :(
[09:05] <htaccess> jdub: yea, i should spell it right, i was born in Durban
[09:06] <vasi> is there any plan to make the icons better? rhythmbox and synaptic are very hard to identify
[09:07] <vasi> without looking closely, they both appear to be "random de-saturated boxes"
[09:07] <|trey|> Pizbit, shh, ya'll jinx it  ;)
[09:08] <Patric1> good morning all
[09:08] <Patric1> can is ask a n00b quistion?
[09:08] <|trey|> Patric1, hey, anything we can help you with today?  :)
[09:08] <|trey|> Patric1, go ahead  :)
[09:08] <Patric1> mkay, im searching for the original icon of gaim
[09:09] <Patric1> i searched in the gaim folders, couldnt find ir
[09:09] <|trey|> Patric1, /usr/share/pixmaps
[09:09] <Patric1> i installed an iconpack withc replaced the original
[09:09] <|trey|> Patric1, I think 'gaim.pcx'
[09:09] <jdub> vasi: yeah, we want to do a kickarse icon theme. try the human icon theme for a sample (it's definitely not final though, which is why it's not the default).
[09:10] <deFrysk> human icon theme looks pretty good
[09:10] <jdub> Patric1: here's how you'd find it
[09:10] <Patric1> i got it
[09:10] <jdub> Patric1: first, list the files in the gaim package: dpkg -L gaim
[09:10] <Patric1> thx
[09:10] <|trey|> deFrysk, not done yet as far as I know  :(
[09:10] <Patric1> i already found it
[09:10] <Patric1> thx trey
[09:10] <Patric1> damn i'm a big n00b
[09:10] <deFrysk> |trey|, looks good on my box , looks like most of it is done
[09:10] <|trey|> jdub, I forgot the step by step part... I told her where it is, sorry  :(
[09:11] <|trey|> Patric1, you can still use what jdub said to see exactly what the name of the file is  :)  | grep /usr/share/pixmaps though  :)
[09:12] <Patric1> mkay
[09:12] <Patric1> another quistion
[09:13] <Patric1> how can i change th alsa settings, i mean the treble, base etc etc
[09:13] <Patric1> i used the icon on the right side, but whatever i do there, no change
[09:13] <|trey|> Patric1, ahh the name is gaim.png though, my mistake...
[09:14] <Patric1> trey i found the icon :-)
[09:14] <Patric1> how can i change th alsa settings, i mean the treble, base etc etc
[09:14] <|trey|> Patric1, k good  ;)
[09:14] <|trey|> Patric1, not sure there is a way to do this with ALSA itself  :(
[09:15] <|trey|> Patric1, apps such as ZINF or XMMS or Beep-Media-Player allow such things though  :)
[09:15] <Patric1> well i use the speaker icon on the right side
[09:15] <vasi> er, this may be silly, but where can one find the human icon theme?
[09:15] <Patric1> i know trey
[09:15] <|trey|> Patric1, that only handles volume, not bass or teble...
[09:16] <vasi> oh, nm
[09:16] <Patric1> no because if you use the right mouse button you can choose volume control
[09:16] <iz> he kiwi
[09:16] <Patric1> when i do that , i can shoose between 2 sounddevices
[09:16] <|trey|> Patric1, still just volume though, just of different forms of media...
[09:17] <Patric1> mkay i can t explain in english :-)
[09:17] <Patric1> thx for all the help
[09:17] <|trey|> Patric1, I know what you mean, I am looking at it just to make sure (didn't know you could access that way)
[09:17] <deFrysk> vasi, apt-get install gnome-extra-icons
[09:17] <|trey|> deFrysk, why would he do that? ubuntu-artwork contains Human...
[09:18] <Patric1> so when i choose soundblaster, and change the treble, nothing happens
[09:18] <deFrysk> |trey|, never noticed it
[09:18] <deFrysk> so I could be wrong about what i said
[09:18] <|trey|> Patric1, I don't see treble there  :(
[09:18] <Patric1> lol i do i do
[09:18] <Patric1> :-)
[09:19] <|trey|> Patric1, I am using hoary... I don't get it   :(
[09:19] <Patric1> aaaaahhh
[09:20] <jdub> hoary has a different sound mixer
[09:20] <vasi> i just couldn't figure out that i needed to go into a theme's "details" to choose icons
[09:20] <|trey|> jdub, but bass and treble options was removed?
[09:21] <|trey|> jdub, thats something I wish I had found earlier  :(
[09:23] <|trey|> I do like the use of button widgets for locking and the  +/-  thinger? Much simpler main section too, props to whoever designed it  :)
[09:24] <|trey|> Nothing complicated enless you look for it, much better  :)
[09:24] <deFrysk> better it is :)
[09:24] <daniels> MacPlusG3: dude!
[09:24] <daniels> Treenaks: 'havoc'
[09:25] <|trey|> daniels, my bad... I was close though  :)
[09:25] <|trey|> daniels, |[tab]   ;)
[09:26] <|trey|> uhh, |t[tab]   damnit
[09:28] <Treenaks> daniels: let slip the dogs of war!
[09:32] <cornflake> hey
[09:33] <cornflake> can someone help me w/ getting the java plugin working?
[09:33] <Treenaks> cornflake: have you looked in the FAQ and wiki?
[09:33] <cornflake> Treenaks, i looked at the standard place for firefox
[09:33] <cornflake> Treenaks, but i'll respectfully look there too
[09:35] <cornflake> Treenaks, looked. found nothing
[09:35] <Treenaks> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:36] <Treenaks> and http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Java
[09:36] <Gnat42> Anyone use Ubuntu on a PowerMac?
[09:37] <Gnat42> got it installed - but the screen width is wrong... can't change it
[09:37] <Gnat42> I should say PowerBook G4
[09:37] <Gnat42> not PowerMac
[09:37] <sid77> here
[09:37] <sid77> pbook 867
[09:38] <Gnat42> I have the 15" screen
[09:38] <Gnat42> and its at res 1024x768
[09:38] <Gnat42> so I have a large black bar to the right
[09:38] <Gnat42> the gui config doesn't let me pick the right one (nothing larger then 1024)
[09:38] <Gnat42> but I chose the higher resolutions on install?
[09:38] <Gnat42> how do I change it?
[09:39] <calc> edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:39] <Gnat42> I can't seem to get xrandr to work either.
[09:39] <Gnat42> I added "1280x854" to the Screen location at depth 24
[09:39] <Gnat42> since that was the default depth
[09:39] <calc> that didn't work?
[09:39] <Gnat42> checking
[09:39] <calc> all i had to do on my amd64 laptop was add "1280x800" for its screen
[09:40] <Pizbit> Gnat42: Check to see if the horizsync and vertsync numbers in the monitor section match the specs of your monitor
[09:40] <Gnat42> logged out
[09:40] <Gnat42> and back
[09:40] <Gnat42> same size...
[09:40] <subterrific> logging out doesn't restart X
[09:40] <Pizbit> Gnat42: You have to completly restart X
[09:40] <Gnat42> how so?
[09:41] <Pizbit> Gnat42: logout, then hit ctrl+alt+backspace
[09:41] <sid77> does centrino wlan works under ubuntu?
[09:41] <calc> log out and hit ctrl-alt-backspace
[09:41] <Gnat42> okay
[09:41] <Gnat42> k
[09:41] <Gnat42> did that
[09:41] <Gnat42> no go
[09:41] <Gnat42> I saw atfb128 not enough memory for mode...
[09:42] <calc> sid77: i think so
[09:42] <Gnat42> perhaps I'm looking for a higher res then my system can handle.
[09:42] <Gnat42> I looked it up on the website
[09:42] <Gnat42> though perhaps I had a newer model
[09:42] <calc> maybe so, try setting 16bit to be default
[09:42] <Gnat42> lets try again...
[09:42] <calc> though that should only be ~ 3MB
[09:42] <subterrific> add other depths for that color mode
[09:42] <Gnat42> its a G4 400
[09:43] <calc> so that probably isn't the problem
[09:43] <subterrific> i mean resolution
[09:43] <phill> Hi, how can I unload the bttv module? i need to change what tuner it uses,
[09:43] <sid77> calc, a friend next to me says that there is no /dev/wlan0
[09:43] <Gnat42> I have 1154x864 in all of them as well.
[09:44] <sid77> and that is needed with eth1
[09:44] <cornflake> Treenaks, thanx
[09:44] <calc> sid77: check dmesg to see if it assigned it to ethX
[09:44] <Gnat42> nope
[09:44] <calc> er why do you need a /dev/wlan0 ?
[09:44] <sid77> here he is :)
[09:44] <subterrific> Gnat42: a G4 400mhz tibook definitely doesn't do 1280
[09:44] <Gnat42> I made default depth 16
[09:44] <stuNNed_> will this make it to Ubuntu? -> http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager
[09:45] <Gnat42> and have 1280x854 1154x864 1024x768
[09:45] <Gnat42> maybe I need 1024x86x ?
[09:45] <Gnat42> I can't remember what the res was on this thing...
[09:45] <losboccacc> yes, wip2100 driver is scattered over two devices, eth1 for the networking part, wlan0 for the wireless control
[09:45] <subterrific> pretty sure apple's site has the specs for every machine
[09:45] <Gnat42> trying to find my model
[09:46] <Gnat42> thanks for the pointers.
[09:46] <calc> losboccacc: oh
[09:46] <calc> losboccacc: haven't used it before so didn't know about that
[09:47] <subterrific> Gnat42: 1152x768
[09:47] <losboccacc> calc, ok, thank you.
[09:47] <subterrific> http://www.macintouch.com/pbg4review.html
[09:47] <subterrific> google knows all
[09:47] <Gnat42> thnkk
[09:47] <Gnat42> s
[09:48] <ntoll> anyone got centrino wireless working with ubuntu? dmesg shows th edriver is there (ipw2100) but I can see a message saying "Radio is disabled by RF switch". I'm a wireless noob so any pointers would be appreciated. TIA
[09:48] <losboccacc> ntoll, I'm going to try
[09:49] <Gnat42> thank you
[09:49] <Gnat42> screen is all set
[09:49] <losboccacc> ntoll, as for kismet readme, ip2100 is badly configured
[09:49] <subterrific> ntoll: do you have wireless turned on? i think most centrino notebooks have an external switch to turn wireless on and off
[09:49] <ntoll> yup, its on (the orange light is on)
[09:49] <Treenaks> ntoll: what kind of laptop?
[09:49] <ntoll> Acer Travelmate 800
[09:50] <losboccacc> drivers automagically turn on radio switch. the problem is the lack of /dev/wlan0
[09:50] <vasi> ugh, streamripper is annoying
[09:50] <ntoll>  yup I can't see that in my /dev dir
[09:50] <losboccacc> afaik, only kismet can handle it. I'm triing to get the integrated component in gnome to work
[09:50] <ntoll> kismet? whats that?
[09:51] <stuNNed_> dang, what is the command line again for showing info about a package?
[09:51] <losboccacc> just another a wireless tool. used for raw access....
[09:51] <Pizbit> apt-cache show packagename
[09:51] <stuNNed_> Pizbit, you da man thanks
[09:55] <Treenaks> ntoll: http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1105067&forum_id=373402
[09:56] <losboccacc> ok, i find out that wlan is a networking device and cannot be just build with makedev. next try: rebuilding kernel using external modules
[09:57] <ntoll> Treenaks, hmmm, at least it confirms that it can be done
[09:58] <losboccacc> it can be. only not in an easy way. when i'll got it working (can be newer) I'll post a readme somewere
[09:58] <ntoll> I just apt-got (?!) kismet, when I try to run it it complains that FATAL: Unable to open cisco control file '/proc/driver/aironet/eth0/Config' 2:No such file or directory. What does this mean?
[09:59] <ntoll> losboccacc, on th eubuntu wiki perhaps?
[09:59] <Treenaks> ntoll: you need to edit /etc/kismet/kismet.conf
[09:59] <Treenaks> or whatever the name is
[09:59] <losboccacc> opne configuration file (/etc/kismet something) and select the correct wlan
[10:00] <ntoll> aha, thought it might be something like that, I'll change the config now. Thanks...
[10:00] <losboccacc> ntoll, something like that, yes. as I said somewhere before, I jusg got ubuntu after years of gentoo
[10:04] <Watermelonman> hi
[10:05] <phill> How can i find out what tuner i need to specifify when loading bttv tuner=   for a temic 4002FH5 tuner?
[10:05] <Watermelonman> i have problems installing ubuntu on a blue and white powermac G3
[10:06] <Watermelonman> can someone help me?
[10:06] <Gnat42> this may seems silly
[10:06] <ntoll> o.k. looking at the kismet config file I should be writing a line like source=ipw2100,eth1,centrinosource but it complains about an unknown capture source - I'm assuming ipw2100 is the wrong name (although its the name of the driver). the nic is definitely eth1. What could be wrong?
[10:06] <Gnat42> another newbie question
[10:06] <Pizbit> phill: Have a look on bytesex.org (homepage for the driver I believe)
[10:06] <Gnat42> how do I install kernel sources?
[10:06] <Gnat42> I'm not used to apt
[10:06] <phill> i have, i can't see what it says to use :(
[10:06] <Gnat42> but synaptic doesn't seem to have kernel sources
[10:06] <ntoll> Gnat42, apt-get install <name of package here>
[10:06] <Gnat42> just headers..
[10:07] <ntoll> Gnat42, hang on a mo
[10:07] <Gnat42> k
[10:07] <losboccacc> there is an explain/complain about ipw2100 driver in the kismet readme
[10:08] <mvo_> Gnat42: have you searched for kernel-source?
[10:08] <ntoll> apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.1
[10:08] <Gnat42> I searched kernel
[10:08] <Gnat42> and linux
[10:08] <Gnat42> in synaptic
[10:08] <Gnat42> k
[10:08] <ntoll> do you have universe?
[10:08] <Gnat42> dunno - fresh install 20 minutes ago
[10:08] <subterrific> Gnat42: why do you want the kernel source?
[10:08] <ntoll> losboccacc, cheers, thanks for your patience :-)
[10:08] <Gnat42> probably not I assume
[10:09] <phill> hmmm i got it, but tv still doesn't work :(
[10:09] <ntoll> Gnat42, then edit /etc/apt/sources.conf (you just have to uncomment some obvious lines)
[10:09] <phill> tuner: type set to 0 (Temic PAL (4002 FH5)) by bt848 #0 [sw] 
[10:10] <ntoll> thanks for the help guys. see yall later
[10:11] <ChrisH> Hmm, what's that. I'm installing on a Toshiba Tecra laptop. And after (!) I logged in (about the time the window manager is loaded) I get a second mouse cursor (a "cross" icon). What do I need two mice for? Multiuser? :)
[10:12] <losboccacc> Gnat42, I didn't follow all the discussion, but if you intend the synaptic touchpad driver it isn't for the kernel, is an x11 module
[10:12] <Pizbit> ChrisH: I'm sure that's in the new wiki:)
[10:12] <Gnat42> no
[10:12] <ChrisH> Pizbit: I'll look.
[10:13] <Gnat42> what I'm trying to do is install Mac on Linux
[10:13] <Gnat42> which requires a kernel module
[10:13] <Gnat42> which requres the sources
[10:13] <subterrific> you don't need the kernel sources for that
[10:13] <Gnat42> but I can't seem to get them
[10:13] <Gnat42> oh?
[10:13] <subterrific> you need the headers
[10:13] <Gnat42> I have the headers
[10:13] <Gnat42> linux-headers...
[10:13] <subterrific> you can compile modules with that
[10:13] <Gnat42> okay
[10:13] <htaccess> does ubuntu have a nntp client or should i just install pan from universe?
[10:13] <htaccess> is ubuntu still xfree86?
[10:13] <htaccess> um are the w32codecs for mplayer avalible via apt or do i need to google and download?
[10:13] <subterrific> you only need the source if you intend to recompile the kernel
[10:13] <losboccacc> Gnat42, hast thou tried peerpc
[10:13] <Gnat42> I'll look at how to tell the software where the headers are...
[10:13] <Gnat42> no
[10:14] <Gnat42> better then mol?
[10:14] <subterrific> Gnat42: no
[10:14] <Gnat42> lol
[10:14] <subterrific> for an entirely different purpose
[10:14] <ChrisH> Pizbit: Ah, I was blind. Thanks.
[10:14] <Gnat42> so I'll continue trying to get mol compiled
[10:14] <subterrific> PearPC is for running ppc on x86
[10:14] <Gnat42> thnks for the help so far.
[10:14] <Gnat42> ah
[10:14] <Gnat42> yeah, I'm on ppc
[10:14] <subterrific> MOL is for running OS X inside Linux
[10:16] <subterrific> Gnat42: you might want to try searching the Wiki, i'm sure someone has already tried getting MOL working on ubuntu
[10:16] <subterrific> in fact..
[10:16] <siimo> is kernel 2.6.9 available in updates yet?
[10:16] <subterrific> MOL is already in the multiverse
[10:16] <vasi> yeah, there's a howto on mol
[10:16] <subterrific> if you enable the multiverse, i see MOL in there
[10:16] <stuNNed_> htaccess, ubuntu is still xfree; i think i got w32codecs from breakmyubuntu repo's
[10:17] <Treenaks> breakmyubuntu repo's
[10:17] <Treenaks> ?
[10:17] <vasi> you have to follow the howto to get some drivers for mol though
[10:17] <Gnat42> how do I enable that?
[10:17] <Pizbit> htaccess: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:17] <Gnat42> I looked at the apt/source.list file
[10:17] <subterrific> Gnat42: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MacOnLinuxHowto
[10:17] <Gnat42> cool
[10:17] <Gnat42> thanks
[10:17] <Gnat42> you guys are a great help
[10:17] <subterrific> once again, google knows all...
[10:17] <Gnat42> seriously thanks
[10:17] <subterrific> thank google
[10:17] <subterrific> not me
[10:18] <subterrific> i just sit here and google for what people ask
[10:18] <daniels> hm, anyone know how you change the sub-pixel hinting order in FreeType?  i think mine's hinting the wrong way
[10:18] <subterrific> its amazing how many people don't know how to use google
[10:18] <siimo> hi is an ftp install possible? with just the packages i want
[10:18] <mjr> daniels, that is tunable from desktop prefs / font prefs
[10:18] <stuNNed_> Treenaks, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[10:18] <mjr> don't know how to tune it system-wide
[10:18] <daniels> mjr: ta
[10:19] <mjr> but now I do; see the beginning of /etc/fonts/local.conf
[10:24] <daniels> good afternoon
[10:24] <stuNNed_> hiyas lilo
[10:24] <Telep> indeed
[10:25] <stuNNed_> lilo, what are you doing up? ;) ever get your soundcard to do full duplex?
[10:27] <jdub> hey martink
[10:27] <jdub> yo bdale
[10:27] <lilo> stuNNed_: probably, I'm running ALSA now 8)
[10:27] <daniels> bdale: dude!
[10:27] <daniels> jdub: pong from jabber, btw
[10:27] <jdub> hrm
[10:27] <jdub> don't remember
[10:28] <martink> hi jdub
[10:28] <lilo> stuNNed_: I'm having stopped-up-nose probs, always makes it a bit hard for me to sleep 8)
[10:28] <stuNNed_> lilo, can't figure out if gstreamer or xine gives better ogg/mp3/flac playback
[10:28] <stuNNed_> lilo, that time of year, eh?
[10:28] <lilo> stuNNed_: I dunno, i haven't played much with gstreamer, though I hear good things about it
[10:28] <lilo> stuNNed_: *nod*
[10:29] <lilo> stuNNed_: have medicaid coverage atm, though, so I will probably stop by tomorrow and get something for my nose....it's always treatable, it's just that without medical insurance I was particularly between a rock and a hard place
[10:29] <stuNNed_> lilo, alka seltzer cold plus works wonders here
[10:30] <lilo> stuNNed_: well, that's probably decongestant + antihistamine; I'm taking an antihistamine, and the decongestant is something I don't want to take too much of, it's usually an ongoing prob with me
[10:30] <ctd> stuNNed_: Pretend it's xine... it'll encourage gstreamer developers. :)
[10:31] <kasperbn> How do I log on to various web-administration-interfaces (like swat and webmin) when there is no root user?
[10:31] <stuNNed_> ctd, tseng's muine uses xine so.. :)
[10:31] <lilo> gstreamer's really quite neat
[10:32] <stuNNed_> lilo, seems to be making progress, stability-wise
[10:32] <ctd> Indeed
[10:33] <lilo> stuNNed_: *nod*
[10:33] <daniels> edd: yo
[10:33] <lilo> hey edd
[10:33] <edd> hey hey
[10:33] <daniels> edd: i'll be in london from the 14th nov -> 5th dec
[10:34] <edd> daniels: excellent! i'm going to plan time down there.
[10:34] <bdale> jdub/daniels: dudes.  bed time for me.
[10:34] <daniels> edd: phat :) my phone will be with me
[10:34] <daniels> bdale: night dude
[10:34] <edd> "phat" !
[10:35] <MyKq3>  i m trying to istallle KDE but the apt-get don't find the konqueror_3.2.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb pakage on the soource... and i don't  find the package on goodle ... what can i do
[10:35] <daniels> edd: it will be absolutely ill
[10:43] <xf_> 4
[10:43] <xf_> ugh
[10:44] <Patric1> hello
[10:44] <Patric1> i'm back with another quistion
[10:45] <Patric1> anybody here?
[10:45] <trukulo> yep
[10:45] <Patric1> anybody can help me with java and firefox
[10:45] <Pizbit> Patric1: Doesn't your client have a userlist?
[10:45] <Patric1> yes it has
[10:46] <trukulo> Patric1, sure
[10:46] <Patric1> trukulo, ok i read the howto on the forums but i get stucj
[10:46] <trukulo> ok, have you read wiki?
[10:47] <Patric1> roger
[10:47] <trukulo> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[10:48] <Patric1> when i do this command "   sudo mv j2re-1_4_2_05 /usr/local/ "  it says the directory is not there
[10:48] <Patric1> i check home/patrick, and the directory is there
[10:49] <trukulo> try: sudo mv /home/patrick/j2re-1_4_2_05 /usr/local
[10:49] <Patric1> doest work    mv: cannot stat `/home/patrick/j2re-1_4_2_05': No such file or directory
[10:49] <trukulo> that directory doesn't exist
[10:50] <trukulo> try: sudo mv /home/patrick/j2re(tab) /usr/local
[10:50] <trukulo> use autocompletion
[10:50] <Patric1> what do you mean with (tab)
[10:51] <trukulo> tab key
[10:51] <Patric1> omg sorry guys
[10:52] <Patric1> patrick@ubuntu:~ $ sudo mv/home/patrick/j2re /usr/local
[10:52] <Patric1> sudo: mv/home/patrick/j2re: command not found
[10:54] <fabbione> Patric1: sudo mv /home/patrick/j2re /usr/local
[10:54] <fabbione> add a space
[10:57] <Patric1>  $ sudo mv /home/patrick/j2re /usr/local
[10:57] <Patric1> mv: cannot stat `/home/patrick/j2re': No such file or directory
[11:01] <|trey|> Patric1, where did you get the file from?
[11:01] <|trey|> Patric1, java.com?
[11:02] <jdub> yo edd
[11:02] <edd> hey dude.
[11:02] <edd> so, some nice things happening in the kernel wrt laptop suspend
[11:02] <edd> kickarse laptop support suddenly looking quite hopeful for hoary!
[11:03] <Treenaks> that sounds great
[11:03] <jordi> hi edd!
[11:03] <daniels> edd: kickarse@!
[11:04] <edd> warty currently /almost/ works for suspend on my portege r100
[11:04] <pedru> has the prism2 wireless driver been introduced in 2.6.9?
[11:04] <edd> currently recompiling kernel to see if the fixes in 2.6.9 work for my tr1mp
[11:05] <daniels> jordi: sup bitch?
[11:05] <daniels> jordi: i have been running a fair bit
[11:05] <jordi> daniels: have you? That's great!
[11:05] <Telep> suspend to ram would be nice
[11:05] <daniels> jordi: running around copenhagen ... nice city
[11:05] <jordi> daniels: I get to see you in Catalunya next month?
[11:06] <daniels> jordi: in where?
[11:06] <daniels> jordi: mataro/barcelona?
[11:07] <jordi> yeah
[11:07] <Treenaks> daniels: you're doing a tour of europe?
[11:07] <|trey|> jordi, Barcelona lost  :(  I thought they would be the team to beat this year in the Champions League...
[11:08] <jordi> |trey|: yeah, it sucks... both Valncia and Bara are flaky lately
[11:08] <Patric1> someone have an idea where you can download a fresh sources.list?
[11:08] <pedru> @patric1 what you mean by "fresh"
[11:09] <Patric1> i kind of messed up mine
[11:09] <pedru> well, i could send you mine...
[11:09] <Patric1> cool!
[11:10] <pedru> universe and marillat packages enabled... be aware...
[11:10] <Patric1> universe is ok, marullat is not ok?
[11:10] <|trey|> jordi, Valencia just got Renieri back... will take time to get used to him again... I don't see how Ronaldinho + Eto'o + (that dude from Porto) could be playing so bad  :(
[11:10] <|trey|> Should have outclassed AC Milan all over the field  :(
[11:11] <Patric1> thx dude
[11:11] <pedru> marillat has multimedia stuff...
[11:11] <Patric1> thats cool
[11:11] <|trey|> pedru, they are in multiverse...
[11:11] <pedru> with copyright issues... DeCSS & mplayer packages...
[11:11] <pedru> multiverse
[11:11] <pedru> ?
[11:12] <|trey|> jordi, Deco, thats his name  8)
[11:12] <pedru> oh cool... thx
[11:12] <Telep> anyone got a .deb for Grawert's evonotify applet? It seems to be missing from his repository.
[11:12] <|trey|> He pretty much single handedly (with some good defence) won the Champions League though...
[11:16] <stvn> Telep: I doubt it, packages.debian and apt-get.org don't know it
[11:16] <Telep> stvn: ok, thanks. I emailed the developer
[11:16] <|trey|> stvn, only if it doesn't exist in mentors.d.n does it truly not exist  ;)
[11:17] <daniels> Treenaks: apparently ;) just 3 countries tho
[11:17] <daniels> jordi: yeah, I'll be there
[11:18] <Telep> I could just install it from the tgz, I guess
[11:20] <Patric1> still have problems with the java
[11:21] <loz> how can I stop synaptic trying to get sources from the cd, and use the net instead (I lost the cd ;)
[11:21] <|trey|> Patric1, add: deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian/ ./ to /etc/apt/sources.list and install j2re1.4
[11:22] <|trey|> Patric1, that one sets up a firefox plugin... if its not there though... you must:
[11:22] <cardador> loz: repositories, uncheck the line about the cd
[11:24] <|trey|> Patric1, ln -s /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[11:24] <|trey|> sorry, brain fart...
[11:24] <Patric1> i'm really stuck here, now the source.list is srewed up again, wait
[11:25] <|trey|> Patric1, my sources.list, brings in everything I feel I need for desktop:
[11:25] <|trey|> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted
[11:25] <|trey|> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted
[11:25] <|trey|> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe multiverse
[11:25] <|trey|> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe multiverse
[11:25] <|trey|> # deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian/ ./
[11:25] <|trey|> replace hoary with warty in each case...
[11:26] <|trey|> Uncomment last line to get java...
[11:26] <MyKq3> i m sorry that i m assking again but i didn't found the anser yet ... when i m trying to aptget install konqueror i recive this error Err http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe konqueror 4:3.2.2-1ubuntu2
[11:26] <MyKq3>   Bad header line
[11:26] <MyKq3> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kdebase/konqueror_3.2.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb  Bad header line
[11:26] <MyKq3> sorry for the flood :(
[11:27] <|trey|> calc, cough
[11:27] <calc> |trey|: ?
[11:27] <calc> i don't maintain kde for ubuntu
[11:28] <|trey|> calc, damnit, why not?  ;)
[11:28] <|trey|> calc, heh, but its the same packages, just build here...
[11:28] <calc> header line error sounds like a problem in apt-get
[11:29] <Telep> krhm, lol. http://www.ishkur.com/editorials/kerrywins01.jpg
[11:29] <|trey|> built*
[11:30] <|trey|> Telep, please keep those things out of channel, thank you... few things can't be talked about... religion and politics are the main onces for me and most...
[11:30] <Telep> sorry
[11:30] <daniels> (the reason being that these discussions tend to spiral out of control and the channel thus becomes useless for its stated purpose -- ubuntu support)
[11:31] <|trey|> There is another one in that list, but it would appear its not as big of a deal to me cuz I can't remember  8)
[11:32] <|trey|> daniels, not to mention they are just pointless... no one is really willing to actually try to see the others points as being valid... just bad
[11:32] <Telep> yesh, I undestand - wasn't thinking really :)
[11:32] <Patric1> :-(
[11:32] <|trey|> Patric1, still not working?
[11:33] <|trey|> Patric1, I swear its easy once you know it  :)
[11:33] <Patric1> no guys nothing is going right
[11:33] <pedru> if you dont know what environment variables are installing java isn't gonna be much fun...
[11:33] <|trey|> Patric1, first little while is bad for everyone, mainly because they know nothing yet  :(
[11:34] <stvn> Patric1: what is the problem exactly?
[11:34] <Patric1> when i put your line in my source list it gets broken
[11:34] <Patric1> everything works acept the java
[11:34] <stvn> Patric1: can you dcc me your broken source file?
[11:34] <pedru> what line did yu insert?
[11:34] <Patric1> i repleaced it with the one from pedru
[11:34] <stvn> Patric1: you replaced?
[11:34] <Patric1> the line trey gave me
[11:34] <|trey|> Patric1, you changed hoary right? I told you to... I said to uncomment the java line too... (just remove the #)
[11:35] <Patric1> no, i use the one from pedro
[11:35] <stvn> Patric1: no need to replace source lines
[11:35] <Patric1> i wan tjava
[11:35] <Patric1> :-(
[11:35] <Patric1> poor me
[11:35] <|trey|> stvn, it was to add a java source... and multiverse...
[11:35] <stvn> Patric1: it aint hard
[11:35] <Patric1> it is
[11:35] <atropus> hi
[11:35] <|trey|> Patric1, its not, you just don't know how yet  ;)
[11:35] <Patric1> thats true
[11:35] <|trey|> Patric1, but thats why we're here  :)
[11:36] <stvn> Patric1: can you send my your sources file?
[11:36] <Patric1> i want to use java with firefox so i can spend money on the internet
[11:36] <|trey|> stvn, make sure he changed hoary, if not, make see if he has upgraded... that could be bad, sorry, I forgot  :(
[11:36] <|trey|> has not*
[11:37] <Patric1> did you get it?
[11:37] <stvn> yep
[11:37] <Patric1> i used the howto on the forum, but i get stuck
[11:37] <seiseisei> is there a way to install the kernel source for this: /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/ ? I want to try to compile the webcam driver /home/dewd/workspace/cvs/cam/zc030x/ for my creative nz :)
[11:39] <stvn> Patric1: did you check http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Java ?
[11:39] <Patric1> $  sudo mv j2re-1_4_2_05 /usr/local/
[11:39] <Patric1> mv: cannot stat `j2re-1_4_2_05': No such file or directory
[11:39] <trukulo> Patric1, paste /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:39] <Pizbit> nooo!
[11:39] <Pizbit> wwww.pastebin.com like the topix says!
[11:39] <Pizbit> topic even:)
[11:39] <trukulo> umm, problem is that you have'nt got that directory
[11:39] <LeeColleton> How do I change the default application that is launched when I click on a file?
[11:40] <trukulo> LeeColleton, with mime-types
[11:40] <atropus> you can download it from www.sun.com
[11:40] <Patric1> i m a n00b :-(
[11:40] <Patric1> and proud of it :?
[11:40] <LeeColleton> trukulo: mime-types... is that a program?
[11:41] <atropus> java VM is that
[11:41] <stvn> Patric1: add this line to your sources.list file: deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian ./
[11:42] <trukulo> LeeColleton, try left button on that file
[11:42] <Patric1> patrick@ubuntu:~ $ sudo apt-get update
[11:42] <Patric1> E: Malformed line 21 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)
[11:42] <Patric1> patrick@ubuntu:~ $
[11:42] <LeeColleton> mp3 file opens with totem.  I'd rather it were xmms.  how do I get there?
[11:42] <trukulo> Patric1, paste /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:43] <atropus> sorry I have a problem with ubuntu could everybody help me?
[11:43] <trukulo> left click on mp3
[11:43] <stvn> Patric1: you did copy my line?
[11:43] <trukulo> atropus, what problem?
[11:43] <plovs> LeeColleton, properties > open with (in nautilus)
[11:43] <Pizbit> atropus: All 279 of us?
[11:43] <Patric1> yep and then i get an error
[11:43] <trukulo> Pizbit, no, not me
[11:43] <trukulo> i don't have any problem with ubuntu
[11:43] <LeeColleton> plovs: I'd like to change the default action
[11:43] <spacey`ki> how can you make ubuntu stop making an interface for ipv6 in ipv4 (sit0). its really disturbing because i don't use ipv6
[11:44] <Patric1> im using this howto  patrick@ubuntu:~ $ sudo apt-get update
[11:44] <Patric1> E: Malformed line 21 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist)
[11:44] <Patric1> patrick@ubuntu:~ $
[11:44] <Pizbit> trukulo: I was talking to atropus, not you
[11:44] <spacey`ki> and now my ssh tunnel binds on some wierd ipv6 address
[11:44] <stvn> Patric1: put a # in front of line 21 (the one with ftp://debian)
[11:44] <atropus> My monitor will be black after random time and freeze all system
[11:44] <Pizbit> Patric1: Paste your sources.list to www.pastebin.com
[11:44] <trukulo> pitti, i'm one of that 279
[11:44] <plovs> LeeColleton, yes in nautilus, right-click properties
[11:44] <pitti> trukulo: 279?
[11:45] <trukulo> pitti, sorry, i mistake nick, i mean Pizbit
[11:45] <LeeColleton> plovs: that will only change the current run, not the next left click
[11:45] <atropus> :) fine
[11:45] <pitti> trukulo: nick tab completion :-)
[11:45] <trukulo> pitti, yes :)
[11:45] <LeeColleton> plovs: oh, I see it
[11:45] <stvn> Patric1: if you prefer dutch help, you can join #ubuntu-nl
[11:45] <plovs> LeeColleton, :)
[11:46] <jordi> daniels: cool I can climb your back again
[11:46] <sjoerd> jordi: that's a hobby of yours ?
[11:48] <kasperbn> Hi, I'm having a little problem with my vsftpd. When I make a new directory I wish to set the permissions to 777 by default. I've tried the local_umask = 077, but it has no effect.
[11:48] <kasperbn> any suggestions?
[11:48] <jordi> sjoerd: you gotta try it.
[11:49] <daniels> jordi: heh
[11:49] <trukulo> kasperbn, mask is inversed
[11:49] <sjoerd> jordi: just with daniels or in general
[11:49] <kasperbn> trukulo: which means I have to do what? Set local_mask = 000 or?
[11:49] <trukulo> wait 5 secs
[11:50] <trukulo> i'm not sure now
[11:50] <atropus> i can't use the network with the live CD, freeze the system ...
[11:50] <trukulo> umask=777
[11:51] <trukulo> in /etc/fstab
[11:51] <trukulo> /dev/hda5               /mnt/d                  vfat    noauto,users,umask=777 0 0
[11:51] <trukulo> that's an example
[11:51] <Pizbit> atropus: Try boot with the option pci=acpi and noapic
[11:51] <thoreauputic> trukulo: more like umask=000 actually
[11:51] <trukulo> atropus, or with: nolapic
[11:51] <kasperbn> trukolo: Thank you very much, it's working with local_umask = 000
[11:51] <atropus> tnx trukulo
[11:52] <trukulo> thoreauputic, umm, can be, i said i'm not sure now
[11:52] <atropus> but I install the system and after random time the GNOME freeze
[11:52] <trukulo> atropus, can be acpi problem
[11:52] <jship> hey
[11:53] <trukulo> http://www.perldoc.com/perl5.6/pod/func/umask.html
[11:53] <trukulo> that's umask information
[11:53] <trukulo> umask have to be: 0000
[11:54] <trukulo> that means 0777 perms
[11:55] <deFrysk> http://www.geocities.com/johanvrt/fstab.txt (examle with vfat partitions)
[11:55] <deFrysk> a fedora fstab example
[11:55] <deFrysk> but works fine on ubuntu
[11:55] <deFrysk> the vfat bit that is
[11:56] <Pizbit> thoreauputic: Installed isn't automatically setting up the windows partition mounts
[11:57] <thoreauputic> Pizbit: yeah, I noticed mostly windows problems - are they being addressed?
[11:58] <thoreauputic> I assume so...
[11:59] <Pizbit> thoreauputic: Probably, not involved myself
[12:10] <rexiboy> hello all
[12:10] <rexiboy> how do i install flash-player on ubuntu 64?
[12:11] <nevyn> rexiboy: umm install the ia32 version
[12:12] <mrjive> is it possible to have the "debian" menu i have in sid? it would be useful for apps not listed in ubuntu menu...
[12:12] <nevyn> rexiboy: if your browser is compiled x86_64 you may be out of luck.
[12:13] <rexiboy> nevyn, that's no good :(
[12:13] <mrjive> or a "non ubuntu apps" menu
[12:13] <rexiboy> is ubuntu64 a pure 64 environment?
[12:13] <Moof> nevyn! LTNS!
[12:14] <darkersatanic> rexiboy: Yes, AFAIK.
[12:14] <ua-nyman> What is this.../dev/hda2           76630       77623      500976    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA) ?
[12:14] <nevyn> hey moof how's things in your wolrd?
[12:14] <Moof> not bad, not bad. slowly converting people to the linux way ;)
[12:14] <nevyn> good to see you're fighting the good fight.
[12:15] <nevyn> gonna be in .au anytime soon.
[12:15] <nevyn> ?
[12:15] <Moof> not for the forseeable future.
[12:15] <ajmitch> morning
[12:15] <rexiboy> night
[12:15] <Moof> might see if I can pop over next summer
[12:16] <Moof> maybe lca 2006
[12:16] <pedru> ua-nyman, looks like a "partition"
[12:16] <daniels> ajmitch: nice place
[12:16] <Moof> but it's a tad expensive for a two-week holiday
[12:17] <ua-nyman> hmm
[12:17] <ajmitch> daniels: yeah, I'll be in melbourne for a few weeks
[12:17] <ajmitch> again
[12:17] <ua-nyman> I know pedru but what kind..what does it do?
[12:17] <mrjive> malte`: !
[12:18] <pedru> ua-nyman, actually it looks like the second partition on your primary master
[12:18] <pedru> ua-nyman: drive
[12:18] <pedru> ua-nyman, the line does nothing...
[12:19] <mrjive> no news about the menu?
[12:19] <pedru> ua-nyman, you have to describe your problems exactly to get exact answers...
[12:19] <malte`> hi all
[12:19] <pedru> what does my partition do doesn't fit into that
[12:19] <pedru> it does exist
[12:20] <Telep> heh, I wonder if I should apply for a job offering posted on our student's mailing list... "Microsoft Academic Developer Evangelist" :D
[12:22] <sid77> argh, they're everyehere :)
[12:23] <magneto> dang this irc desklet is kinda nice
[12:25] <stvn> magneto: gdesklet?
[12:25] <magneto> yep
[12:25] <pedru> does anyone know where i can get eclipse 3.0 debs
[12:26] <magneto> i just need to find the right borders for it
[12:26] <stvn> sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5debian
[12:27] <stvn> magneto: it's in the standard ubuntu gdesklets-data package?
[12:27] <daniels> ajmitch: melbourne is an especially nice place
[12:28] <ajmitch> yeah I found it quite nice when I was there earlier in the year
[12:28] <Telep> are there any eclipse 3 debs around?
[12:29] <pedru> Telep, im having the same problem...
[12:29] <nevyn> they're in debian which means it's probably in universe?
[12:29] <Telep> I guess I don't really need one though, since I can just run Eclipse from my home directory anyway...
[12:29] <nevyn> actually I'm wrong it's 2.1
[12:29] <pedru> yeah, 3.0/3.1 is nowhere to find...
[12:29] <magneto> yep its in universe
[12:30] <pedru> magneto, not in my universe...
[12:31] <magneto> nah pedru sorry- gdesklets question - irc in gdesklets-data .30
[12:31] <nevyn> magneto: but wrong version?
[12:31] <pedru> yeah, already figured that out :--)
[12:32] <magneto> nevyn: ?
[12:32] <wickedmedia> hi all
[12:32] <Telep> hi there
[12:32] <nevyn> magneto: check the version in universe.
[12:33] <Patric1> STVN is my hero!!!
[12:33] <pedru> looks like Patric1 has got his java working :-)
[12:34] <Patric1> jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[12:34] <pedru> deutsch?
[12:34] <Patric1> nl
[12:34] <pedru> oh, sorry
[12:34] <pedru> :-)
[12:34] <deFrysk> Ah een nederlander
[12:34] <Patric1> hee een fries :-)
[12:34] <magneto> nevyn: sorry im new to apt-get - i just realized though i have restricted and multiverse in my reps
[12:35] <pedru> das verfluchten niederland werden da spren faust...
[12:35] <deFrysk> Patric1, /j #ubuntu-nl
[12:35] <pedru> :-)
[12:37] <Daenzello> hi people
[12:38] <pedru> hi Daenzello
[12:38] <magneto> nevyn: i changed my reps to main only and still show the only version as 0.30.0.14
[12:38] <Daenzello> its me again
[12:38] <Daenzello> with new questions of course
[12:38] <pedru> great
[12:38] <Daenzello> i think so
[12:38] <pedru> _
[12:38] <mjr> by the way, my guess would be that most finnish users find Ubuntu's default LANGUAGE choice a bit weird for having swedish alternatives before english
[12:39] <stvn-desk> hm
[12:39] <Daenzello> im trying to get my great new smart wonderful dvd burner work with ubuntu
[12:40] <Daenzello> are there any softaire other than k3b to manage dvd burning ?
[12:41] <pedru> whats wrong with k3b?
[12:41] <mjr> (though I can see the reasoning since Swedish _is_ an official language here; it's just that in practice most people are more fluent in English :)
[12:41] <stvn> stvn-desk: ?
[12:42] <Daenzello> i have nothing against k3b but that leads to another question
[12:42] <pedru> ...
[12:42] <Daenzello> even if i install k3b and the kde metapackage i have lots of errors if i try to run a kde-qt soft
[12:43] <guptan> how can I publish a samba share in ubuntu so that windows pcs can access it
[12:43] <nevyn> guptan: which windows?
[12:43] <Telep> hmm, I keep losing my network connection in Ubuntu (been a problem ever since installing the preview)
[12:43] <magneto> guptan: /etc/samba/smb.conf
[12:43] <guptan> nevyn, windows xp
[12:43] <Telep> running dhclient solves the problem but I get stuff like this:
[12:43] <Telep> sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
[12:43] <Telep> Corrupt lease file - possible data loss!
[12:44] <magneto> guptan: modify that then /etc/init.d/samba restart
[12:44] <pedru> @Daenzello: uhh that sucks...
[12:45] <pedru> i dont know of any other program with the features of k3b
[12:45] <guptan> magneto, thanks let me try that way.
[12:45] <Daenzello> i think the fatal error i have with k3b is "command 'kcmshell 'k3bsetup2'' not found"
[12:45] <Daenzello> but also other stuff like Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
[12:45] <Daenzello> QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used
[12:45] <Daenzello> QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used
[12:45] <Daenzello> kbuildsycoca running...
[12:46] <pedru> yeah it looks like it misses some kde stuff..
[12:46] <tuxx> hello :)
[12:46] <Daenzello> i've installed 150mo of kde stuff
[12:46] <pedru> welll i am using ubuntu since like three days and haven't yet burned a cd...
[12:46] <pedru> does the burner work?
[12:47] <tuxx> pedru yes
[12:47] <Daenzello> xcdroast works, but it miss dvd support
[12:47] <pedru> does the gnome cd creator support dvds?
[12:47] <tuxx> Gnome's builtin "burner" works too
[12:47] <Daenzello> does anybody there use some kde software ?
[12:47] <tuxx> Daenzello not on my dekstop but yes
[12:48] <tuxx> desktop even
[12:48] <pedru> i use k3b, but on gentoo
[12:48] <magneto_> Daenzello: amarok and k3b
[12:48] <deFrysk> for dvd burning I can use nautilus
[12:48] <deFrysk> I think :s
[12:48] <Daenzello> and you dont have thousands of errors/warnings messages ? ^^
[12:48] <deFrysk> lemmecheck
[12:49] <Daenzello> hum i ll try the nautilus burner ...
[12:49] <magneto_> Daenzello: what kind of errors are you having
[12:51] <Daenzello> i dont know wich of those are fatal (not the 300 missing icons warnings i think), there things like "QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being use"
[12:52] <tuxx> How would a cronjob look if I want automatic update, upgrade and dist-upgrade uppon boot?
[12:52] <Daenzello> fo amarok do you use the debian package ? i havent seen it in the ubuntu repertories
[12:52] <kasperbn> Hi, I have a bunch of user who have ftp access (vsftpd). Is it possible to do something with vsftpd.conf so that the users only are allowed to browse their home-directory?
[12:52] <tuxx> kasperbn look for some jail in the conf
[12:52] <magneto_> Daenzello: i got amarok from source and from debian
[12:52] <tuxx> kasperbn if it's not durable switch to proftpd  - there it's 100% possible
[12:53] <kasperbn> tuxx: "jail" not found
[12:54] <magneto_> Daenzello: i had amarok working from compiling from source after installing all the right libs then someone told me debian had a .deb in sid so i got it from there
[12:54] <|trey|> Why does everywhere in the wiki tell you you can't set up things like 'deb http://someserver/blah ./' with synaptic?
[12:54] <|trey|> You just leave the last line blank...
[12:55] <kasperbn> tuxx: What about chroot_list_enable ???
[12:55] <|trey|> It worked in Warty too, so I don't understand?
[12:58] <Daenzello> and for the gnome nautilus burner, does it support the dvd copy ? for k3b i keep searching the kde libs i miss
[01:00] <tuxx> kasperbn okay. How about some 'chroot' ?
[01:00] <|trey|> Daenzello, yes, they use the same backends...
[01:00] <tuxx> kasperbn yeah that might me it
[01:00] <tuxx> me/be
[01:01] <magneto_> |trey|: dvdrwtools
[01:02] <|trey|> magneto, dvd+rw-tools yeah...
[01:02] <pao> does anyone know why linphone is not in universe/multiverse?
[01:02] <pao> is there an alternative gnome sip phone?
[01:03] <kasperbn> tuxx: it worked. Set chroot_list_enable = YES, and then in vsftpd.chroot_list you list users that are to be "jail" in their hom-dir
[01:04] <|trey|> pao, try multiverse or universe... I see it...
[01:04] <|trey|> You can request that it be supported in hoary in the wiki...
[01:04] <MyKq3> when i m runnig setxkbmap -option -option grp:alt_shift_toggle ... it should able me to change  the keybord layout doesn't it ?
[01:04] <pao> |trey|, let me try...
[01:05] <|trey|> pao, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehogSupportedSeed  <- edit this to ask...
[01:07] <|trey|> linphone - A sip phone
[01:07] <|trey|> linphone-nox - A sip phone
[01:07] <|trey|> Thats what I can see...
[01:08] <pao> Package linphone is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[01:08] <pao> !!!
[01:08] <tuxx> kasperbn nice :-)
[01:09] <pao> |trey|, what's your sources.list config?
[01:10] <pao> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe
[01:10] <pao> that's mine...
[01:10] <pao> :-(
[01:11] <phill> Does anyone want to ssh in and setup my ati binary drivers? :(
[01:11] <sid77> lol
[01:11] <sid77> what's the problem?
[01:11] <Mithrandir> phill: have you tried following the instructions on the Wiki?
[01:11] <pedru> if you have porn on your machine
[01:11] <phill> yes
[01:12] <iz> phill yup try wiki
[01:12] <phill> and no, but you can download what you like at my full bandwidth of 5kbps heh
[01:12] <phill> i've done the wiki
[01:12] <phill> 3 times
[01:12] <phill> reinstalled after two of them
[01:12] <iz> errors?
[01:12] <MyKq3> can i cancel the root password?
[01:12] <phill> now i'm sitting here with fglrx 'working' but no 3d accelerating
[01:13] <phill> sure whatever, another reinstall won't bother me at this stage
[01:13] <magneto_> pao: u can find it at http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/
[01:13] <phill> i think something is screwing up between mesa libgl.so and ati's version
[01:13] <phill> or something
[01:14] <magneto_> unstable    main non-free contrib is what i have in my list
[01:14] <phill> i don't know
[01:14] <phill> i think i'll try and swap my 9700 for a geforce 5700 or something
[01:14] <sid77> noooo
[01:14] <Mithrandir> phill: create a user tfheen for me, put http://raw.no/dotfiles/ssh/authorized_keys in ~tfheen/.ssh/authorized_keys and I can take a look.
[01:14] <phill> ok
[01:14] <sid77> phill, nvidia is evil ;) ati is much better under linux
[01:14] <phill> asif!
[01:14] <jind> Nvidia is good as long as you don't change kernel
[01:15] <jind> The nvidia drivers are more mature under linux than ati drivers
[01:16] <magneto_> sid77?? - i never here nvidia people cryin like us ati folks
[01:16] <jind> Only hitch is that they have to be compiled directly against the kerne
[01:16] <jind> The running kernel source code
[01:16] <sid77> magneto, talk to an nvidia ppc user -_-U
[01:16] <magneto_> ppc doesnt count ;)
[01:16] <jind> Nvidia and linux is as good as perfect under x86
[01:17] <iz> it runs here on a amd64 system
[01:17] <jind> I have never ever had a problem with the official nvidia drivers
[01:17] <magneto_> i will never purchase another ati card or system with ati
[01:18] <jind> I hear that ati has planned to work much more one the linux drivers
[01:18] <jind> That's good
[01:18] <daniels> ati works just fine here
[01:18] <magneto_> jind: yeah they are now- but what about people whove been using their crap before now
[01:18] <phill> ok Mithrandir ssh to phill.ath.cx with tfheen
[01:18] <edwood> hi!
[01:19] <phill> ati has been promising better linux support for years
[01:19] <jind> But as it is now, nvidia is the best choice when it comes to stability and espesially performance
[01:19] <jind> Ati drivers run poorly
[01:19] <magneto_> my ati card works fine in xfree86 and with xorg 6.7 as long as i dont want anymore 3d support
[01:20] <magneto_> i have to upgrade to xorg 6.* and use old drivers from xfree or atigatos or lose functionality
[01:20] <|trey|> pao, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary  <-- edit the instances of "hoary" with "warty" here... put the resulting text into /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:21] <|trey|> mdz, you around?
[01:22] <pisuke> is there any boost in performance (2D) by using fglrx instead of xfree86 ati driver?
[01:27] <jind> pisuke, probably
[01:27] <jind> But it depends on what card and chip you have
[01:28] <phill> its working!
[01:28] <pisuke> jind, radeon 9200
[01:28] <Mithrandir> phill: and I didn't even touch anything. :)
[01:28] <pisuke> I was just asking if the fuss will be worth it
[01:28] <jind> Then it probably isn't any read advantage in 2d
[01:28] <kasperbn> How do I use find to search the harddisk for a specific file. I tried with: find / filename  -But then it lists all files. I only want it to list the "results"
[01:29] <magneto_> pisuke - yeah i dont think any xfree drivers were meant specifically for anything after g200 radeon 7500
[01:29] <phill> Mithrandir: sometimes it helps just to go through things with someone else :)
[01:29] <daniels> magneto_: the matrox g5xx cards are perfectly supported
[01:29] <daniels> magneto_: and you will get full 3d on anything up to and including radeon 9250
[01:29] <daniels> magneto_: the problem in this case is neither ati nor x.org
[01:30] <jind> I have heard that the techology in the ati xorg drivers can keeo up in 2d up to radeon 9200
[01:30] <phill> to answer the 2d question: i can't see any difference in gnomes performance between fglrx and ati, but my tvcard doesn't work with fglrx, so that might be a problem
[01:30] <darkersatanic> kasperbn: find / -name filename
[01:30] <magneto_> i get full 3d now with xfree
[01:30] <daniels> the standard ati (x.org) drivers do full 2d for every released ati card (and some unreleased ones)
[01:30] <daniels> they do full 3d for everything up to 9250
[01:30] <darkersatanic> kasperbn: Check out the man page for find...
[01:30] <kasperbn> darkersatanic: Thanks
[01:31] <magneto_> the drivers for all ati in xorg6.8 are broken horribly- supposedly -my card worked fine although with no 3d and with alot poorer performance- wait does that = fine?
[01:31] <daniels> magneto_: that does not mean 'broken horribly'.
[01:31] <jamaas> I'm attempting to get slmodem-2.9.10 to compile and not having any luck, anyone care to have go?  I'm a bit of a newbie here!
[01:31] <Treenaks> daniels: will they ever do more than "up tp 9250" ?
[01:32] <daniels> Treenaks: for 3D/
[01:32] <Zindar> yes.. I'll get to install ubuntu on a mac soon.. this is fun :)
[01:32] <Treenaks> daniels: yes
[01:32] <magneto_> daniels: the ati cards do 3d too- 3d cards with no 3d in the drivers = trash
[01:32] <Zindar> does anyone know how partition resizing is done then?
[01:32] <daniels> Treenaks: as I said, the problem is neither ATI nor X.Org
[01:32] <daniels> Treenaks: i hope to see 3D fine
[01:32] <daniels> magneto_: in your opinion
[01:33] <magneto_> daniels: many people buy ati cards for their 3d rendering ability
[01:33] <Treenaks> daniels: so it's just "please wait while we update the driver to support 3d in >9250 cards"
[01:33] <magneto_> to have that disabled is nonsensical
[01:33] <daniels> Treenaks: 'please wait for bureauracy'
[01:33] <Treenaks> daniels: ah
[01:34] <pisuke> I think i'll stay with ati instead of fglrx. if ain't broke don't fix it :)
[01:34] <magneto_> ati has no problem as long as you use windows
[01:34] <daniels> magneto_: i have an ati card here which works perfectly with 3d :)
[01:34] <magneto_> Daniels: me too but everyone does not
[01:35] <daniels> this is true
[01:35] <daniels> anyway, as I've said, this is neither ATI nor X.Org's fault
[01:35] <daniels> so let's stop casting blame at them both
[01:35] <magneto_> ?
[01:35] <magneto_> xorg released a version which crippled a whole large group of users
[01:36] <phill> what's a decent bittorrent client for gnome? something like abc/azureus (but doesn't need java)
[01:36] <magneto_> ati has slacked on supporting linux until the last minute when nvidia started stealing customers
[01:36] <daniels> magneto_: because that's all they could release.  you can't just write a driver having nothing but the card you're writing it for.
[01:36] <magneto_> they are both to blame
[01:36] <daniels> magneto_: no, this is not true.
[01:36] <jamaas> Hey guys, where might I go to find some help with modem drivers?
[01:36] <daniels> magneto_: the drivers do not support 3D on r3xx/r4xx.  this is not ATI's fault.  this is not X.Org's fault.
[01:36] <magneto_> daniels - 6.7 works fine though
[01:37] <phill> which modem?
[01:37] <magneto_> daniels: im referring to the 6.7 -> 6.8 breakage
[01:37] <daniels> magneto_: yes
[01:39] <magneto_> what new feature set did 6.8 bring that required a change to the drivers? im not familiar enuf with it to know
[01:39] <jamaas> oops, clicked the wrong button but I'm back...:), with a modem problem, who asked which modem?
[01:40] <iz> open /dev/vbi: No such file or directory any idea what i'm missing?
[01:40] <iz> libzvbi-common - Video Blank Interval decoder i got it :)
[01:40] <daniels> magneto_: composite.  drawing to an offscreen buffer will kind of ruin your day.
[01:41] <magneto_> well 6.8 isnt supposed to stable is it?
[01:42] <daniels> it is
[01:42] <magneto_> at least they were sharp enough to switch to atigatos for the next version
[01:43] <jamaas> Hey guys, desperate for some help/suggestion on compiling slmodem here, any takers ... please?
[01:45] <magneto_> jamaas: whats up
[01:45] <altan> is there any good software to edit PDF documents in Linux?
[01:46] <jamaas> magneto: thanks, am getting the following error.... trying to follow instructions!
[01:46] <jamaas>  Entering directory `/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build'
[01:46] <jamaas> make[3] : *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop.
[01:46] <magneto_> what are u trying to build there
[01:47] <magneto_> kernel?
[01:47] <jamaas> I give up ... ??  Hope I don't need to rebuild the kernel, hopefully just a module, am using latest warty on i686 and attempting to get a modem and fax working
[01:48] <tux> has anyone tried the live cd ?
[01:48] <magneto_> why dont u just load the alsa module
[01:48] <jamaas> if it works, that would be fine ... newbie here, how do I do that ?
[01:50] <jamaas> Not sure that it matters ... but it usually does, this is on a HP notebook so I think it is a linmodem, will also module work?
[01:50] <thoreauputic> jamaas: alsa is a sound architecture :)
[01:51] <jamaas> thats what I thought as well, it won't help with the modem will it ..?
[01:51] <linux_mafia> anyone using beagle?
[01:51] <magneto_> jamaas: try modprobe intel8x0m
[01:51] <thoreauputic> jamaas: you might need to find your modem on linmodems.org
[01:51] <jamaas> will do
[01:51] <magneto_> thoreauputic- its an alsa-modem
[01:52] <jamaas>  modprobe intel8x0m
[01:52] <jamaas> FATAL: Module intel8x0m not found.
[01:52] <thoreauputic> magneto_: ah, I see
[01:52] <stvn> linux_mafia: you compiled beagle yourself, or there are packages available?
[01:53] <magneto_> jamaas: try modprobe snd-intel8x0m
[01:53] <linux_mafia> stvn, cvs
[01:53] <thoreauputic> linux_mafia: using beagles is cruelty to animals! ;-)
[01:53] <linux_mafia> stvn, works pretty good, dieing to compare notes with some one
[01:53] <stvn> linux_mafia: ah ok, was hoping for debs ;)
[01:54] <linux_mafia> stvn, depends on too many things, patched kernel, dbus, etc
[01:54] <linux_mafia> stvn, id say debs are a far distant dream
[01:54] <jamaas> magneto: that ran something returned to prompt
[01:54] <stvn> linux_mafia: heh
[01:55] <thoreauputic> jamaas: silence is golden! no errors!
[01:55] <magneto_> jamaas: type   dmesg | pg     and look through there for a modem
[01:55] <jamaas> will do!
[01:56] <linux_mafia> stvn, i swear though, i cant be the only person using it apart from the devs, ive been asking for 4 days in this room and others if anyone is using it, all silent
[01:56] <stvn> linux_mafia: hm, if it requires patched kernel etc, I can imagine a reason why nobody uses it ;)
[01:56] <magneto_> good thing about ubuntu is they have every damn part of the kernel setup as a module
[01:57] <linux_mafia> stvn, in the world?
[01:57] <stvn> linux_mafia: I'm pondering about using it, but if requires a lot of recompiling i'll wait a bit linger
[01:57] <linux_mafia> stvn, that cant be
[01:57] <stvn> linux_mafia: nah in #ubuntu ;)
[01:57] <jamaas> magneto: how do I send this output to you, about 5 lines without clogging up the page for everyone else... ?
[01:57] <linux_mafia> stvn, no ive been asking in other channels too
[01:58] <stvn> linux_mafia: heh
[01:58] <linux_mafia> stvn, mailing list, consists of about 5 people, i guess i'll have to be the leader
[01:58] <stvn> linux_mafia: heh
[01:58] <stvn> linux_mafia: i'll have a look at it, see if it compiles here
[01:59] <linux_mafia> stvn, oh, and those 4 or 5 are programmers, im just a simple noob
[02:00] <|trey|> linux_mafia, I've seen you around in some channels for a while, so you can't really be considered a n00b anymore...
[02:02] <|trey|> linux_mafia, hah... direct me at beagles site, let me see what it is  8)
[02:02] <linux_mafia> |trey|, trey, trey, trey, you lambasted me for my poor demeanour before
[02:02] <|trey|> linux_mafia, foreal? I don't remember  :(
[02:03] <stvn> linux_mafia: you run it on an ubuntu system?
[02:03] <linux_mafia> stvn, no i run lycoris, but just hang in here
[02:03] <linux_mafia> |trey|, http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BeagleInstallHowto
[02:03] <|trey|> linux_mafia, cuz that makes sense...
[02:04] <stvn> linux_mafia: ta
[02:06] <|trey|> linux_mafia, That would be more appropriate on the "BreakUbuntu" page (I think thats it)... or at least pointed to from there...
[02:06] <nefertati>  hello
[02:07] <linux_mafia> |trey|, not sure what you call the app/function exactly, but google has made an app to do it, ms is on it, meta data or indexing something, basically if i searched using the beagle search tool for "mafia", it would show emails, files, gaim chats, web searches, including that term
[02:07] <|trey|> BreakMyUbuntu even... they are things people are interested in, but aren't available in the Ubuntu repo's...
[02:08] <linux_mafia> |trey|, sound cool?
[02:08] <|trey|> linux_mafia, page needs to point to mono installation too...
[02:09] <|trey|> And no need for dbus to be there...
[02:09] <linux_mafia> |trey|, i didnt write the page, and yes you need dbus from cvs, dbus-sharp i think its called
[02:09] <linux_mafia> mono aware dbus
[02:10] <|trey|> ahh... crap... thats so much work  :(
[02:10] <|trey|> linux_mafia, seriously, link from BreakMyUbuntu, you will recieve more interested people  :)
[02:10] <linux_mafia> |trey|, work yes, but fun just to check it out, call me a geek
[02:11] <linux_mafia> |trey|, link what? i have nothing to do with the page or its placemant
[02:11] <nefertati> hello i just installed ubuntu but i wanted to ask about the internet connection as i cannot connect to the internet... if there is someone that can help me .....
[02:11] <|trey|> linux_mafia, well then its time you made yourself an account... at least to fix spelling mistakes  ;)
[02:13] <linux_mafia> |trey|, i have done wiki stuff before, (linksys + ndis) just cant be faded at the moment
[02:13] <nefertati> hello i just installed ubuntu but i wanted to ask about the internet connection as i cannot connect to the internet... if there is someone that can help me .....
[02:13] <|trey|> nefertati, don't repeat...
[02:14] <nefertati> ok sorry trey
[02:14] <|trey|> nefertati, can you ping localhost?
[02:14] <nefertati> no....
[02:15] <|trey|> nefertati, dial up dsl cable?
[02:15] <nefertati> dial up
[02:15] <|trey|> nefertati, damnit  :(
[02:15] <nefertati> why?
[02:15] <|trey|> nefertati, hehe... sudo pppconfig
[02:15] <nefertati> :(
[02:16] <thoreauputic> nefertati: do you have an external modem?
[02:16] <topyli> nefertati: if you cannot ping localhost your networking is really badly broken
[02:16] <nefertati> yes
[02:16] <|trey|> nefertati, not 100% sure with dial-up... never actually done it, know how in theory though  :/
[02:16] <nefertati> and what can i do about that
[02:16] <thoreauputic> nefertati: are you comfortable with commandline?
[02:16] <nefertati> i just getting started i know only the basic commands
[02:16] <nefertati> :(
[02:17] <thoreauputic> nefertati: do you have the nameservers and numbers for your isp?
[02:17] <nefertati> yes
[02:17] <|trey|> nefertati, he asked if it bothers you to type, not how much you know  ;)
[02:17] <topyli> nefertati: open a terminal, type ifconfig. see if any interfaces are up
[02:17] <|trey|> topyli, unlikely if he can't even ping localhost...
[02:18] <|trey|> need drivers... I dunno what  :(
[02:18] <thoreauputic> nefertati: well, sudo pppconfig should walk you througha configuration; it isn't too hard
[02:18] <nefertati> yes i i dont problem to type and that the reason trey that i want to know more about linux...
[02:18] <nefertati> ok...
[02:18] <topyli> |trey|: i like to start debugging from the bottom :)
[02:19] <|trey|> nefertati, man -k some_task_you_wish_to_do
[02:19] <thoreauputic> nefertati: in a terminal, sudo pppconfig   -and see how you go
[02:19] <nefertati> ok...
[02:19] <nefertati> i will go  to do what you said is it doesnt work i'll come back
[02:20] <nefertati> thank you  so much ...
[02:20] <nefertati> :)
[02:20] <|trey|> topyli, every network problem = check if its working at all first... cuz if its not, its gonna take a while to fix it  ;)
[02:20] <thoreauputic> nefertati: if you do, read man pppconfig as well
[02:20] <thoreauputic> nefertati: although it is fairly straightforward
[02:20] <topyli> |trey|: that's sage advice
[02:21] <nefertati> ok thoreauputic.. thank you :)
[02:21] <thoreauputic> nefertati: no worries -come back if you have problems :)
[02:21] <|trey|> topyli, 8)
[02:22] <nefertati> ok :) i am sorry but i am just getting started .. i hope i will learn more ... :)))))
[02:22] <thoreauputic> nefertati: no need for apologies - we are all learning :)
[02:22] <nefertati> ok...
[02:22] <|trey|> nefertati, you will... takes a while... lots of reading  :)
[02:22] <thoreauputic> nefertati: and you will learn much more, I'm sure
[02:23] <|trey|> s/thinks/hopes/
[02:27] <pedru> geman ubuntu channel: #ubuntu-de
[02:27] <jdub> pedru: how's the ubuntu-de mailing list going?
[02:27] <pedru> dunno... i dont use mailinglists...
[02:38] <linux_mafia> jdub, will the ICEauthority bug/problem, ever have a satisfactory resolution?
[02:40] <jdub> linux_mafia: which?
[02:40] <utis> hello!
[02:41] <utis> Any hints on configuring /dev/sequencer?
[02:41] <linux_mafia> jdub, when you run k3b, which you must as root, well sudo, when you log out, you cant log in again, until you delete ~/.ICEauthority, or chmod it back to your user
[02:42] <jdub> linux_mafia: er... BONG
[02:42] <jdub> linux_mafia: "k3b is not supported in ubuntu" ...
[02:44] <linux_mafia> jdub, i know, just as many people use it at the moment, due to lack of choice in flexible gnome cd apps, thought maybe it might be looked at, my bad
[02:44] <jdub> linux_mafia: we can't put any time into it, but perhaps mail -users and see if anyone has seen it and knows a fix
[02:45] <Mithrandir> jdub: put .ICEauthority in skel would be an obvious (but a bit ugly) solution.
[02:45] <Mithrandir> or fix k3b, of course.
[02:46] <linux_mafia> jdub, sweet as, there are a couple, but only temporary
[02:46] <jdub> Mithrandir: no, it seems to chown the users existing .ICEauthority
[02:46] <Mithrandir> jdub: it actually chowns it?  That sounds just broken.
[02:46] <daniels> the problem isn't k3b
[02:46] <jdub> Qt?
[02:46] <Mithrandir> possibly, one can point it somewhere else?
[02:46] <daniels> the problem is that running an ICE app with sudo directly is stupid and crap
[02:47] <daniels> the app should just shell out to a wrapper for privileged operations
[02:47] <daniels> e.g. system("sudo k3bsetup probe"), whatever
[02:48] <linux_mafia> Mithrandir, i guess when when the 2.6.8 cd recording bug/prob which requires root/sudo use is fixed, it wont matter
[02:48] <Treenaks> what is ICE anyway?
[02:48] <pedru> yeah?
[02:48] <daniels> Treenaks: Inter-Communication Exchange or something
[02:49] <daniels> x11-based ipc
[02:49] <Treenaks> ah
[02:49] <linux_mafia> and on another note, will inotify be gracing the ubuntu standard kernel anytime soon?
[02:50] <linux_mafia> for hoary anyway
[02:51] <Treenaks> Wasn't it going into 2.6.10 anyway?
[02:51] <jdub> linux_mafia: for hoary
[02:52] <linux_mafia> jdub, o
[02:52] <linux_mafia> ok even
[02:52] <linux_mafia> heh
[02:53] <linux_mafia> jdub, dont suppose youve tried beagle?
[02:54] <jdub> a while back
[02:54] <Gmail> is it safe to use the gnome 2.9 package in hoary? (this is more a testing system i know howto fix i was using debian experimental for awhile a m no n00b)
[02:55] <linux_mafia> ive been trying for 4 days to meet a fellow ubuntu beagle experimenter, no dice :(
[02:55] <stvn> linux_mafia: it the inotify kernel was available I might have been running it today
[02:56] <Gmail> like are they complate?
[03:01] <Gmail> and i do know udev is stuff plus a few more very important things and i can't reboot into my system untill they are fixed
[03:02] <Gmail> YAY no more fam
[03:02] <Gmail> gamin is here
[03:03] <Gmail> haory progress is so fast
[03:04] <Gmail> yay i can report another bug
[03:07] <pedru> stvn, (in short) what is inotify?
[03:07] <Treenaks> pedru: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/rml/inotify/README
[03:08] <mirak_-> hi hi room
[03:08] <pedru> thx
[03:09] <nefertati> i wanted to ask about how to set up an dial up internet connection..
[03:10] <jazzka> some applications like xmms or bittorrent's menu appear really small, why?
[03:10] <jazzka> do I need to install any new software?
[03:10] <Gmail> jaalto: because they don't use gtk+
[03:10] <Gmail> they both use x
[03:11] <mjr> well, xmms does use gtk, but an earlier version
[03:11] <Gmail> jaalto: you should use beep media player
[03:11] <Gmail> it is and gtk+ port of xmms
[03:11] <Gmail> mjr: no that a new port
[03:12] <linux_mafia> muine is the future
[03:12] <Gmail> mjr: there is a xmms complable port
[03:12] <altan> I like zinf a lot
[03:12] <Gmail> best music player
[03:13] <Gmail> one command and it all running
[03:13] <stvn> mjr: is it possible to simply queue songs to the current playlist in RB?
[03:14] <mjr> stvn, I don't think so, which, I would agree, is a shame
[03:15] <stvn> mjr: yeah, that's the main reason I don't use it, I can quickly add a set of songs to the running playlist
[03:21] <MeAndU32> What is RB and what is cli , can somone explain
[03:21] <cardador> cli: command line interface
[03:21] <stvn> RB: Rhythmbox
[03:23] <kensai> How do I add translucency to Gnome I have seen some screenshot with transparent terminals etc... How I do that in Gnome? Thanks
[03:23] <bob2> you an't
[03:24] <jdub> kensai: right click on your terminal
[03:24] <nefertati> i wanted to ask about how to set up an dial up internet connection..
[03:24] <stvn> kensai: in terminals, you need to edit your profile
[03:24] <jdub> kensai: edit current profile
[03:24] <bob2> gnome-terminal can do a fake transparency, tho
[03:24] <jdub> kensai: on the effects tab, you can turn on the fake transparency background
[03:24] <stvn> nfpppconfig didn't work?
[03:24] <stvn> nefertati: ^^
[03:24] <kensai> OOHHH ok thanks a lot
[03:24] <MeAndU32> can RM play .rm .wma
[03:24] <bob2> MeAndU32: no
[03:25] <bob2> MeAndU32: it can play realmedia, but not windows media
[03:25] <nefertati> no stvn it asks a pass i wrote muy user pass but its incorrect
[03:25] <wfx> hi, i have trouble to get a ultra dma133 controller from dawicontrol to work: DC-133 sil0680 chip, module siimage
[03:25] <stvn> nefertati: you did do sudo pppconfig ?
[03:26] <kensai> anything more I can make transparent?
[03:26] <wfx> cat /proc/partitions: dm-0 to dm-2 but i cant mount any md
[03:26] <nefertati> yes stvn but it asked for a pass and i didint know the pass
[03:26] <wfx> kensai, with the xorg server but i dont know if it avail for ubuntu
[03:26] <Gmail> stvn: no need for sudo pppconfig was edit to call sudo i look and the link in /usr/bin
[03:26] <stvn> nefertati: your sudo password, normally is the password of the first user you created
[03:27] <jdub> kensai: if you take the back off your monitor, the glass display will be almost fully transparent. you will be able to see the wall.
[03:27] <Gmail> x.org is coming out in a few day
[03:27] <kensai> wfx: xorg isn't there yet :(
[03:27] <nefertati> yes stvn but it said that is incorrect and i dont know why
[03:27] <Gmail> but i say you wait a few days after it comes out
[03:27] <wfx> Gmail, nice ;-)
[03:27] <Gmail> you don't want to be the guy which has to reinstall x
[03:27] <kensai> jdub: LOL LOL ROFL
[03:27] <stvn> nefertati: did you ever work with sudo before?
[03:27] <nefertati> no
[03:28] <stvn> nefertati: and it is a normal ubuntu install?
[03:28] <daniels> downgrades and sidegrades are quite horrifically bad
[03:28] <daniels> take it from me, I've done like fived
[03:28] <daniels> er, five
[03:28] <bob2> Gmail: erm, you should probably let the people actually involved in the work discuss times
[03:28] <bob2> Gmail: rather than talking out your arse
[03:28] <wfx> have anyone a dawicontrol DC-133 controller running?
[03:28] <nefertati> yes stvn
[03:29] <stvn> nefertati: and there is only one user - you?
[03:29] <Gmail> bob2i was told a few days
[03:29] <nefertati> yes
[03:29] <Gmail> bob2: i was told a few days
[03:29] <kensai> changing backgrounds no longer works in hoary?
[03:29] <daniels> Gmail: just sit tight and wait
[03:29] <Gmail> kensai: it does its a gnome problem
[03:30] <Gmail> kensai: log out and back in
[03:30] <kensai> Ohh I have to log out and log in and then it takes effect?
[03:30] <kensai> Ohhh OK
[03:30] <stvn> nefertati: that's very odd, since a normal ubuntu install will give the first user sudo powers, and you only need to type your password, are you perfectly sure it is typed correctly?
[03:30] <Gmail> kensai: no but if you have been log in for awhile yes
[03:30] <kensai> Oka
[03:31] <nefertati> yes i tryed all the possiible ways but it kept saying thta it incorrect
[03:31] <topyli> kensai: try killing nautilus first. when it restarts it may draw your new background
[03:31] <Gmail> and it normally happen why you use a program in gnome that need super premissions like...
[03:31] <Gmail> topyli: no
[03:32] <Gmail> topyli: it better if he logout and in as there are other problem he will have like changing setting will not take place
[03:32] <stvn> nefertati: got visitors, so have to go
[03:32] <nefertati> ok stvn
[03:32] <nefertati> thanks
[03:32] <Gmail> stvn: cya
[03:33] <topyli> Gmail: ok. it does the background changing juju for me, that's all i know :)
[03:37] <wfx> realy no one that can me help to setup this controller(it got it to work with a different distribution, so i think it is only a new way to configure it)
[03:38] <bob2> there's nothing to configure
[03:38] <bob2> assuming it's PCI
[03:39] <wfx> udf is new for me i have use before devfs
[03:40] <erik> hey, how can I play AAC m4a files with ubuntu?
[03:40] <bob2> wfx: you mean udev?
[03:40] <wfx> bob2, yes sorry typo
[03:40] <spiv> erik: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:40] <bob2> erik: faad - Freeware Advanced Audio Decoder player
[03:40] <erik> thanks spiv
[03:43] <wfx> bob2, do i find in /sys/bus/ide/ the all ide devices?
[03:44] <Dr3w> anyone here using PowerPC?
[03:44] <Aard> depends what you mean by `using' ;)
[03:44] <bob2> Dr3w: lots of people are
[03:44] <bob2> if you have a question, just ask it...
[03:45] <bob2> wfx: so your problem is not with ide, but with software raid?
[03:45] <wfx> bob2, no i cant mount the conected device on this controlle (dc-133 sil060 chipset)
[03:46] <bob2> wfx: does "dmesg" mention it?  can you list the partitions with "fdisk -l /dev/whatever"?
[03:46] <bob2> is the module loaded?
[03:47] <wfx> siimage is loaded and ide core use it ide_cd,ide_generic,via82cxxx,siimage,ide_disk
[03:48] <yann_> hey :)
[03:48] <nimc> hi
[03:48] <yann_> i'm having a (little) problem with the ubuntu live cd....
[03:49] <wfx> bob2, in /dev/ is only evms fd input MAKEDEV mapper pts shm snd
[03:49] <yann_> i wanted to try it out, to see if my hardware was supported
[03:49] <wfx> ups no there is more
[03:49] <yann_> but while booting, and loading, i got the "error 17" message
[03:49] <yann_> after that, the system stops loading.
[03:49] <bob2> wfx: "  can you list the partitions with "fdisk -l /dev/whatever"?"
[03:50] <yann_> the md5sum is ok, and the cd functions well on the pc of a friend
[03:50] <wfx> bob2, no i dont have the device entry
[03:50] <Dr3w> Anyone got Ubuntu to install on a beige G3?
[03:50] <bob2> wfx: so, the answer to 'does "dmesg" mention it?' is no?
[03:50] <bob2> Dr3w: is that new-world?
[03:50] <yann_> so if someone knows what this message means... :\
[03:51] <bob2> yann_: check the bts, there's a pile of non-booting bugs for the livecd
[03:51] <yann_> bts?
[03:51] <wfx> bob2, dmesg is also courios, tons of lines like this atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e059 <keycode>' to make it known.
[03:52] <bob2> wfx: ignore that
[03:52] <bob2> yann_: the bug tarcking system, /topic
[03:52] <bob2> wfx: look at /var/log/dmesg
[03:52] <yann_> thanks, sorry
[03:54] <wfx> bob2, SiI680: IDE controller at PCI slot ...
[03:54] <bob2> wfx: www.pastebin.com. put your whole dmesg log file in there
[03:55] <Dr3w> bob2: yeah, old-world.  Hardware is 100% supported, just the install and boot process is different, but I was wondering if someone managed to shoe-horn Ubuntu on despite this.
[03:55] <jdub> someone mentioned bootx on the -users lists
[03:55] <jdub> list
[03:56] <Dr3w> yeah, but I am not too sure if it will boot the initrd from the CD....
[03:56] <wfx> bob2, http://www.pastebin.com/116783
[03:57] <wfx> bob2, i have change it to hde becouse if i plugin the controller hda is now hde (ide=reverse does not work -> kernel panic)
[03:57] <bob2> you have eisa slots with a 2ghz chip?
[03:57] <bob2> heh
[03:58] <wfx> bob2, i also wonder about any eisa slot
[03:59] <bob2> did you build this kernel yourself?
[03:59] <wfx> no is the default
[04:00] <bob2> what does "uname -r" print out?
[04:00] <wfx> 2.6.8.1-3-386
[04:00] <yann_> bob2 > dit not find any open bug mentioning the "error 17"
[04:00] <Gmail> is it advisied to upgrade to kernel 2.6.9?
[04:01] <bob2> yann_: please file one
[04:01] <bob2> yann_: oh, did you check the md5sum of the cd?
[04:01] <bob2> Gmail: just wait for ubuntu toget it
[04:01] <bob2> Treenaks: hold your arms as wide as you can.  it's about that big.
[04:02] <yann_> bob2 > yep, and the cd works on a friend's computer without any problem.
[04:02] <Gmail> bob2: isn't it in debian sid so it shound be in hoary universe
[04:02] <Treenaks> bob2: I know VLB and ISA8/ISA16 slots..
[04:02] <Gmail> can anyone access http://ubuntu-art.org/ ?
[04:03] <bob2> Gmail: you can do whatevere you want, of course...
[04:03] <bob2> Treenaks: ah
[04:03] <phill> nope
[04:03] <bob2> yann_: gm, sounds like a bug then
[04:04] <yann_> could it be because of some unsupported hardware?
[04:04] <bob2> do other linux distributions boot on it?
[04:05] <mjg59> Treenaks: An EISA slot is a deeper ISA slot
[04:06] <mjg59> It's got two rows of connectors per side
[04:06] <mjg59> It is, thankfully, dead
[04:06] <wfx> it is a very old slot
[04:06] <mjg59> It's much younger than ISA
[04:06] <wfx> and i dont have it (only the krenel think there is one)
[04:06] <mjg59> It's just not a lot better
[04:06] <wfx> a bit better :-)
[04:07] <mjg59> Most modern hardware effectively has an EISA bus
[04:07] <Gmail> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2994 this ubuntu box is made will the cds be ship in it to make this free cd deal the best?
[04:07] <daniels> Gmail: no
[04:07] <daniels> Gmail: too late by far
[04:09] <Gmail> daniels: for hoary?
[04:09] <Gmail> that will be so cool if you can get people to spnonsor it then i'll put them in my mums shop and i am sure lot of people will buy it
[04:10] <bob2> Gmail: it's non-Free, anyway
[04:10] <bob2> "sponsor" what?
[04:10] <wfx> Treenaks, but i have on old pc with vesa ;-)
[04:10] <nimc> can anyone help with trying to install fglrx ati binary driver? i get 'device not found' when i do 'sudo modprobe fglrx'
[04:11] <wfx> bob2, any tip for me?
[04:11] <bob2> then it thinks you don't have supported hardware
[04:11] <Gmail> bob2: what is non-free
[04:11] <bob2> Gmail: the art-work
[04:11] <nimc> bob2, you meant me?
[04:12] <bob2> nimc: 01:11:17           bob2 | then it thinks you don't have supported hardware
[04:12] <Gmail> bob2: did you look at the correct link
[04:12] <bob2> Gmail: "correct"? you only pasted one.
[04:12] <nimc> hmm ok...
[04:12] <yann_> bob > 3240
[04:12] <Gmail> bob2: its a box for ubuntu the guy said he is sending it to you guys (ubuntu team)
[04:12] <bob2> wfx: try the apic and acpi tricks, then file a bug if that doesn't work
[04:12] <bob2> Gmail: yes, I know, did you read the copyright notice at the bottom?
[04:13] <Gmail> bob2: but if he give the ubuntu team the right to use as he says on the forums then you can use it
[04:13] <wfx> bob2, where do i find this trick -> link for me?
[04:13] <bob2> Gmail: that doesn't make it free
[04:14] <jamaas> I'm attempting to get a winmodem working and can not install gfax, getting an error that says hcfpci driver not active .... how can I make it active?
[04:14] <bob2> wfx: boot options: noapic, acpi=off
[04:14] <wfx> bob2, ok i try it
[04:14] <wfx> bob2, thx for helping!
[04:14] <wfx> by all
[04:15] <bob2> good luck
[04:15] <yann_> bob2 > is the bug report ok (3240) ? do you need some additional infos?
[04:20] <jamaas> bob2, and suggestions about this modem problem, and how to overcome the hcfpci prob?  Thanks :(
[04:21] <bob2> jamaas: if I knew I'd have spoken to you
[04:21] <jamaas> sorry!  I'm so close ...
[04:21] <bob2> linmodems.org is the usual place to go
[04:22] <Gmail> bob2: if they give it over to ubuntu for free its FREE!
[04:22] <jamaas> thanks, this one seems a little obscure, no idea why, trying to keep from changing ubuntu much but its tricky
[04:22] <bob2> Gmail: no
[04:23] <bob2> Gmail: please stop talking out your arse about everything
[04:23] <linux_mafia> hah
[04:25] <|trey|> bob2, *g* you never appear to lose your temper  :o
[04:27] <yann_> so, file in bugzilla done, hope you'll get that fixed :) see you, and thx for help!
[04:27] <loz> how can I install a .deb file at the command line?
[04:27] <bob2> dpkg -i foo.deb
[04:27] <bob2> but you need to resolve dependencies yourself, ifrst
[04:30] <nowlin> is it possible to add asus to the laptop list http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/teams/laptop ??
[04:30] <nowlin> it dosnt load the asus_acpi and the speedstep-centrino on startup
[04:31] <bob2> what do you want to change there?
[04:31] <Gmail> bob2: i said if they give it for free its free how is that a yes or no question
[04:32] <bob2> Gmail: it's a "you are wrong" sort of question
[04:32] <daniels> Gmail: it's all highly hypothetical, hoary release is still months away
[04:32] <daniels> so hypothesising about what artwork we'll ship with what is pointless right now
[04:33] <Gmail> i said IF!
[04:33] <bob2> Gmail: as above
[04:34] <nowlin> i just wants to add asus to the lists of laptops
[04:34] <bob2> nowlin: erm, you want to change the goals of the laptop team?
[04:35] <mjg59> nowlin: At the moment, asus isn't as high a priority as the others
[04:35] <Gmail> bob2: ITs not a question
[04:35] <mjg59> nowlin: But failing to load those modules is a bug
[04:35] <bob2> nowlin: if you want to add those modules as tips to the wiki, that'
[04:35] <bob2> d be a good idea
[04:36] <nowlin> okay i will do that.
[04:38] <Mayday> anyone know of a simpel tool to keep track of what i spend time on for ubuntu, gtk or gnome prefered. Something like: http://members.optushome.com.au/starters/pclock/
[04:38] <bob2> Gmail: yes, I know, but you don't seem to accept 'you are wrong" very well
[04:39] <bob2> Mayday: gnotime
[04:39] <bob2> or gtimer
[04:40] <Mayday> ill check them out
[04:40] <Gmail> bob2: well i never said it in a way i can be right or wrong as i said IF!
[04:40] <bob2> Gmail: kthx.
[04:41] <Gmail> my teature said i am very picky with word like if it says if or...
[04:41] <daniels> ok, guys, enough.
[04:44] <NewComer-ubuntu> just installed ubunutu, my serial mouse doesn't work, changed mouse protocol to "Microsoft" in XF86config-4 and restarted X yet the mouse still doesn't work
[04:45] <utis> re
[04:45] <daniels> that's the first install with a serial mouse i've actually heard of
[04:45] <utis> does ubuntu use devfs?
[04:45] <daniels> what's your device?
[04:45] <daniels> should be /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyS1
[04:46] <NewComer-ubuntu> daniels, it's like /dev/input/mice or something
[04:46] <jdz`> utis: no, I think ubuntu uses udev
[04:46] <daniels> which port is your mouse plugged in to?
[04:47] <NewComer-ubuntu> first port
[04:47] <daniels> change it to /dev/ttyS0
[04:47] <NewComer-ubuntu> daniels, ok, lemme try
[04:48] <utis> jdz`: hm, but udev is also dynamical, isn't it? I mean, if I install the right drivers, the new device should show up outmatically without mkdnod magic?
[04:48] <jdz`> utis: Yes.
[04:49] <utis> *sig* I can't get the ALSA midi sequencer device /dev/snd/seq to work.
[04:50] <utis> My last hope was that Ubuntu would require some magic incantation with MAKEDEV.  If it doesn't, then I am completely lost now.
[04:51] <NewComer-ubuntu> daniels: thanks, it worked
[04:51] <xuzo> hi, anybody has extrange fonts in hoary?
[04:52] <daniels> NewComer-ubuntu: no worries
[04:53] <NewComer-ubuntu> must say, feels fast
[04:55] <linux_mafia> what are extrange fonts?
[04:55] <Gmail> OHLALA the new gnome 2.9 ROCKS!
[04:55] <xuzo> linux_mafia: the border of every letter looks 'yellow'
[04:56] <daniels> sounds like a subpixel hinting problem
[04:56] <daniels> freetype in hoary is absolutely stuffed
[04:56] <daniels> which is no great surprise
[04:56] <xuzo> linux_mafia: I try all options of font capplet
[04:56] <nefertati> hello i wanted to ask about how to use pon
[04:56] <xuzo> must i downgrade freetype to warty version?
[04:57] <Gmail> i fund a problem the trash applet is built aggenst gnome
[04:57] <daniels> xuzo: that would probably help
[04:57] <utis> Hm, there is a MAKEDEV in /sbin.
[04:58] <Gmail> i need to goto sleep but can someone add to bugzilla that the trash applet need a rebuilding and the ./debian/CONTROL need editing it the deb package
[04:58] <daniels> dude, what about the debian/control needs editing?
[04:59] <daniels> you need to be specific.
[04:59] <daniels> you haven't actually listed any problem yet, just two solutions that are vague enough as to be useless
[04:59] <xuzo> daniels: I try it now, thanks
[04:59] <daniels> xuzo: no worries
[04:59] <linux_mafia> haha
[05:01] <Gmail> the new gnome-system-configurtion IS MAD! (the stuff in computer > system configuration) and the new synaptic is cooler (but i still like using apt in cli unless i am searching for a package)
[05:01] <xuzo> daniels: one question more, warty version is 2.1.7-2.1ubuntu1 and hoary 2.1.7-2.2
[05:01] <xuzo> the only diff. is ubuntu sub-version
[05:01] <daniels> xuzo: actually, 2.1 and 2.2 are different debian revisions
[05:01] <daniels> give the warty version a shot and see if it fixes anything
[05:01] <nefertati> can someone help me? i cant connect to the internet and i dont know how... :(
[05:02] <daniels> if not, we know where to look ;)
[05:02] <daniels> s/if not/if so/
[05:02] <xuzo> daniels: ok
[05:02] <shaver> la la la, I miss chkconfig, la la la
[05:03] <daniels> shaver: apparently the one in g-s-t is too busted to be of any use
[05:03] <shaver> and debian doesn't have anything CLI that lists services and runlevels?
[05:03] <shaver> this grovel-in-rc?.d thing is a joke, IMO
[05:03] <sivang> shaver : ps -d ?
[05:04] <shaver> I'm going to pretend you didn't say that, for both our sakes
[05:04] <rcaskey_> daniels: any news on the new package selection util?
[05:04] <sivang> shaver : :) did I go that bad?
[05:04] <daniels> rcaskey_: the huh?
[05:04] <rcaskey_> Isn't hoary getting a new package selection utility?
[05:04] <daniels> shaver: not lists as such, but there is update-rc.d
[05:05] <daniels> rcaskey_: um, synaptic?
[05:05] <rcaskey_> I thought there was somethign else
[05:05] <shaver> yeah, update-rc.d is great when you know what change you want to effect
[05:05] <shaver> but when you don't know from debian, it's hard to guess what the effects are
[05:05] <rcaskey_> Easy package install GUI (JeffWaugh, talking to RossBurton), thought that was something besides synaptic
[05:06] <rcaskey_> is synaptic getting an overhaul or something?
[05:06] <daniels> rcaskey_: don't know, sorry
[05:06] <rcaskey_> oky
[05:06] <mvo_> rcaskey_: there is some work going on in this area
[05:06] <rcaskey_> mvo: ahh, anything specific?
[05:06] <shaver> like, say, there are two different services that seem to adjust my clock
[05:06] <shaver> one of them is saying that it can't find any way to talk to the hwclock
[05:06] <shaver> but it works fine when I run it by hand, as it recommends in the diagnostic
[05:06] <mvo_> rcaskey_: I haven't seen it yet
[05:07] <mvo_> only mockups
[05:07] <rcaskey_> mvo: what's the general idea?
[05:07] <mvo_> but those look totally cool
[05:07] <mvo_> it will look a bit like the tool in FC I think
[05:07] <mvo_> but as I said, I've only seen mockups so far
[05:08] <rcaskey_> FC's tool is pretty bad if it's anything like what I remember from FC2
[05:08] <shaver> wait a sec
[05:08] <shaver> how do I use update-rc.d to, say, keep portmap from starting at boot?
[05:08] <shaver> it looks like "remove" wants the "real" script to be gone
[05:09] <mvo_> rcaskey_: what would your favorite package mananager look like?
[05:09] <mvo_> or in other words, what do you dislike about synaptic?
[05:09] <rcaskey_> mvo: it would be a web page link that added things to my sources.list
[05:09] <xuzo> daniels: downgrading to warty version doesnt solve the problem, fonts look fuzzy when subpixel hinting is active
[05:09] <mvo_> rcaskey_: that would be indeed cool (and a security problem)
[05:09] <rcaskey_> and it wouldn't look like anything
[05:10] <rcaskey_> mvo: it wouldn't be
[05:10] <shaver> I can't believe I'm not smart enough to figure out how to do this
[05:10] <rcaskey_> anything that can isntall as root can update insecurely nayway
[05:11] <daniels> xuzo: i'm getting horrific hinting
[05:11] <rcaskey_> mvo: why do you think its a particular security problem?
[05:11] <daniels> it's going the wrong way, all my borders on black text are different colours
[05:12] <shaver> http://www.nclug.org/pipermail/nclug/2003-January/004873.html
[05:12] <shaver> yes, this is exactly the ridiculous situation I'm in
[05:13] <xuzo> daniels: exactly, differents colors :)
[05:13] <daniels> shaver: yes, we know about it, we're working on it
[05:13] <daniels> xuzo: hooray :\
[05:13] <fissy> hi, a quick question: how can i remove 'exchange' from evolution because i'm never going to use it and it messes up the account list for me
[05:13] <daniels> xuzo: did you restart your session after up^Wdowngrading freetype?
[05:14] <xuzo> daniels: of course, i restart gdm
[05:14] <gruberman> lo
[05:14] <daniels> xuzo: ugh
[05:14] <daniels> xuzo: no idea, sorry
[05:14] <rcaskey_> mvo: imagine this: you go to a webpage of foo, see an Ubuntu 2 - Run Now button. Click it, enter your password. Sources are added , the application is installed. The menu pops down, you see the highlight move, the submenus open, the application highlight, and then begin to open.
[05:14] <daniels> xuzo: could be fontconfig? xft?  try those
[05:14] <shaver> daniels: so what's the current best-practice?
[05:15] <xuzo> daniels: i try fontconfig yesterday
[05:15] <mvo_> rcaskey_: it's not a lot worse than now, still. it needs to be very clear to the user what he is doing (giving access to the system this way)
[05:15] <samm> how to get java on my box?
[05:15] <samm> anyone can tell me?
[05:15] <rcaskey_> mvo: yeah, but I think a dialog would be sufficient
[05:15] <rcaskey_> and entering in your password
[05:15] <shaver> I just want to avoid the situation where I manually remove links, and then am later told "of course it's broken, you loser, you removed links by hand instead of running debian-startup-policy-config -f -z lvm"
[05:15] <daniels> shaver: update-rc.d
[05:15] <mvo_> rcaskey_: it's a interessting (and very easy) option indeed
[05:16] <daniels> shaver: manually removing links and update-rc.d, that is
[05:16] <rcaskey_> and then we could just have a software catalog web page link in the menu
[05:16] <shaver> update-rc.d wants the package to be gone, no?
[05:16] <daniels> shaver: no
[05:16] <burnboy> i'm having some serious problems with audio..anyone else have the startup sound in GDM get stuck and loop just a snippet? or kaboodle/media player has problems?
[05:16] <daniels> if you move the file out of the way, dpkg will not attempt to replace it unless you ask it to
[05:16] <daniels> if you run update-rc.d -f remove foo, it will remove the rc*.d symlinks
[05:17] <rcaskey_> mvo: what do you think about seing the menu expand?
[05:17] <shaver> and then if I upgrade the package, I will have it upgraded, but still disabled?
[05:17] <daniels> shaver: yes
[05:17] <shaver> OK then!
[05:17] <shaver> thank you
[05:18] <YogeshM> can someone help me please!!
[05:18] <daniels> shaver: any time
[05:18] <YogeshM> can someone explain to me how to set up a sata raid?
[05:19] <rcaskey_> mvo: it could be confusing as well though
[05:19] <rcaskey_> the real danger is not that people install stuff accidently, it's that thtey have dangling sources in their list when they aren't using applications from there anymore
[05:20] <rcaskey_> third party packages cause conflicts, period
[05:20] <rcaskey_> if not at first, eventually there will be a user who wants to upgrade from 2 to 3, and then you have conflicts again
[05:20] <mvo_> it sounds a lot like the "point-and-click" install from this lindows distro
[05:20] <rcaskey_> mvo: never used Lindows
[05:20] <mvo_> neither did I, I read about it
[05:21] <rcaskey_> mvo: but that's my suggestion, becasue it empowers third party software developers
[05:22] <fissy> anyone know how to disable exchange in evolution?
[05:22] <rcaskey_> maybe there should be an "Official Ubuntu" image or something to reflect software that provides its own version of all non-base software
[05:22] <mvo_> rcaskey_: the problem with 3d-party is (as you pointed out) that they are usually less well maintained then the main archive
[05:23] <mvo_> rcaskey_: that would be nice, yes
[05:23] <rcaskey_> mvo: which is semi-okay as long as it is versioned
[05:23] <rcaskey_> as long as the image says "Ubuntu 2"
[05:23] <rcaskey_> not just "Ubuntu"
[05:23] <twise> has anyone seen huge slowdowns in disk performance on a laptop due to dbus/hal?
[05:23] <twise> going from 20MB/sec down to 6
[05:23] <rcaskey_> The advantage of adding the repos is that they could then auto upgrade along with Ubuntu if they supported it
[05:24] <rcaskey_> and if not, when the user clicks "Yes, upgrade Ubuntu" it can say "Are you sure you want to upgrade breaking these pacakges?"
[05:24] <sjoerd> twise: is that measured with hdparm ?
[05:25] <twise> yes
[05:25] <rcaskey_> instead of "your a naughty third-party software using monkey, I refuse to upgrade you" or "All the applications you downloaded because they were useful to you will now break"
[05:25] <twise> -tT /dev/hda
[05:25] <sjoerd> twise: is your cdrom on hdb by any chance ?
[05:25] <twise> yes
[05:26] <sjoerd> try as root (or sudo): hal-set-property --udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_22_0 --key storage.media_check_enabled --bool false
[05:26] <sjoerd> something simalar was reported some days ago on the hal list, but the reporter never replied if that helped
[05:28] <twise> i get "no device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_22_0"
[05:28] <sjoerd> oh beh, 22_0 is hdc
[05:29] <sjoerd> try  /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_3_64 (or check info.udi in h-d-m)
[05:29] <twise> that fixed it - how do i make it permanent?
[05:30] <twise> and should i report this somewhere so others can benefit?
[05:30] <sjoerd> k that's interesting
[05:31] <sjoerd> twise: did you really notice the performance slowdown or was it just hdparm
[05:33] <twise> both
[05:33] <twise> starting evolution went from dog slow to fast
[05:33] <sjoerd> so it's actually the first (aka not just hdparm)
[05:33] <twise> correct, w/o the fix the laptop performs poorly and hdparm shows low numbers
[05:35] <Gmail> anyone here using hoary? anyone rebooted and not got stuck because of udev being borked
[05:35] <Striss> I'm using it
[05:35] <Striss> everything has been perfect for me so far since I upgraded yesterday
[05:36] <sjoerd> twise: easiest is to disable storage_media_check_enabled in hald.conf
[05:37] <sjoerd> twise: the downside is that a media change in your cdrom drive isn't detected anymore
[05:37] <Gmail> Striss: you rebooted yet?
[05:38] <Gmail> i have been using it since the second it came out of the topic not to use it i saw it being taken out
[05:38] <twise> that's fine - i almost never use the cdrom in the laptop anyway - and i'm used to mount / umount
[05:38] <twise> many thanks for the help - is there anywhere i should report the problem and your fix?
[05:39] <Striss> Gmail, yup i've rebooted right after i upgraded
[05:39] <sjoerd> twise: i'll send a mail to the hal mailing list
[05:39] <sjoerd> twise: msg me your mail addy, then i'll CC you
[05:40] <twise> ctwiseATbellsouth.net
[05:41] <Gmail> Striss: well udev is borked and i need it to boot do you?
[05:42] <Gmail> ohh wait udev is fixed
[05:42] <Striss> whats the problem then?
[05:42] <Gmail> night
[05:49] <rcaskey_> mvo_ you still here, we had a power surge?
[05:49] <mvo_> rcaskey_: yep
[05:49] <rcaskey_> mvo: any more thoughts on that system for installing software?
[05:50] <mvo_> rcaskey_: no, I'll think about it a bit more. lot's of interessting ideas
[05:51] <rcaskey_> what about right click "Remove from My Menu" "Uninstall this Application" ;)
[05:52] <mvo_> rcaskey_: wait for the application installer, it will probably look a lot like the menu :)
[05:52] <rcaskey_> mvo: well the whole idea would be to avoid an application installer application
[06:00] <kensai> somebody has updated to the new ubuntu-dektop package in hoary?
[06:02] <mirak_-> is there a meeting or something coming up?
[06:02] <mirak_-> allot of ppl just joined the room
[06:03] <Gmail> morin
[06:04] <mirak_-> ?
[06:10] <mirak_-> hihi
[06:11] <daniels> mirak_-: please don't do that
[06:16] <mirak> mirak_-: put something BEFORE your pseudonyme, not after
[06:16] <daniels> guys, stop arguing about it.
[06:17] <mirak_-> daniels, no one is here cept me and u
[06:25] <tolstoy> Can we expect to see an update to thunderbird for warty (to 0.9), or is that something we'll just have to download on our own?
[06:25] <daniels> not for warty
[06:25] <tolstoy> okay.
[06:27] <tolstoy> well, i've got one machine on hoary, so I'll need it because evolution is broken over there. ;)  evo is good for warty.
[06:28] <Cred> Evening. How to fix problem with wintv card "Coulnd't open /dev/video0"
[06:29] <fabbione> Cred: you need to load the v4l modules
[06:30] <Cred> Are you sure? Since 2.6 they've been included with the kernel as far as I know.
[06:34] <Cred> fabbione, asking because I just want to know if I'm wrong.
[06:34] <fabbione> Cred: yes, but you still need to load them, if it doesn't happen automatically
[06:36] <Cred> fabbione, ok. The module is called v4l?
[06:39] <fabbione> Cred: i think so.. you will have to check up
[06:39] <fabbione> i need to leave now... sorry
[06:40] <gnat> anyone have any experience getting wifi working in ubuntu?
[06:40] <Cred> fabbione, thanks!
[06:40] <gnat> I have SMC 2635W and/or D-link DWL-G630
[06:40] <gnat> the SMC I can query/set using iwconfig
[06:41] <gnat> the D-Link is missing Firmware files
[06:41] <Kal_Zakath> help
[06:41] <gnat> I'm wondering why the SMC doesn't see the AP
[06:41] <Kal_Zakath> I have problem recompling custom 2.6.9 kernel
[06:42] <Kal_Zakath> I follow traditional method with make make modules_install etc...
[06:42] <SapoDriLo> hello, I need help to setup an alias of a nic (eth0). can you help me?
[06:42] <Kal_Zakath> kernel compiles fine
[06:42] <Cred> Could someone else here try to help me with wintv card?
[06:43] <Kal_Zakath> but at boot, right after somme messges I got lot of errors telling me something like : "/dev/null isn't a directory" or something
[06:46] <netmonk> how do I add icon theme in ubuntu?
[06:46] <Kal_Zakath> is there an ubuntu dev chan ?
[06:48] <utis> re
[06:48] <utis> Is there a good way to check whether a mouse is actually connected to /dev/psaux?
[06:49] <ChrisH> utis: xxd /dev/psaux -> then move the mouse
[06:49] <utis> I tried cat /dev/psaux and then moving the mouse, but that did help.
[06:49] <utis> ChrisH: thank you.
[06:49] <ChrisH> utis: xxd just does not screw your terminal :)
[06:50] <utis> oh, that means if nothing is screwed up with cat, then the mouse is not detected/connected?
[06:51] <ChrisH> utis: cat is quite the same... just that control character from psaux may make your terminal output stop.
[06:52] <utis> hm, in that case I suspect that some drivers are not loaded. I need to enable my laptop touchpad.
[06:52] <ChrisH> utis: or your XF86Config-4 points to the USB mouse. Perhaps it was discovered incorrectly.
[06:53] <utis> my USB mouse was plugged in at that time and it works. There is just no provision for both mice in XF86Config-4.
[06:54] <utis> hmm, modprobe psmouse changed nothing.
[06:55] <ChrisH> utis: You may want to open a root shell and check /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[06:56] <utis> I have XF86Config-4 open in an editor on tty1 (the batteries of my USB mouse are empty and X is no fun without a mouse).
[06:57] <utis> And I have already frobbed it. To no avail so far.
[06:57] <Kal_Zakath> did anybody recompile a vanilla kernel here ????
[06:57] <Kal_Zakath> under ubuntu ?
[06:57] <utis> Before I proceed I want to make sure that it is actually detected by the kernel.
[06:57] <Cred> I get "Device nott found /dev/video0", what modules are required to be loaded in order to get this to work? I have wintv card (saa7134).
[06:57] <ivar> arg - i would like to change my theme, but whenever I fire up the app (Computer->Desktop Prefs->Theme) it appears in the dock as 'starting' then disappears without a trace
[06:57] <utis> Since cat /dev/psaux does not produce garbage characters and screw my screen, I suspect that it is not.
[06:58] <ivar> anyone have any idea of why my theme app keeps dying ?
[06:58] <utis> What do I need to do to make Ubuntu reckognize my touchpad?
[06:58] <KeyserSoze> utis: what kind of laptop?
[06:58] <g3r4rd0> anyone knows something about orinoco drivers??
[06:59] <utis> KeyserSoze: Fujitu/Siemens Amilo.  It used to be unproblematic back then with Debian Woody, though.
[07:00] <ivar> also, when I run 'gnome-theme-manager' from the terminal, it just hangs..
[07:00] <KeyserSoze> utis: dmesg|grep PS/2
[07:00] <tolstoy> ivar, i've seen that sort of thing (with the network gui).  had to log out, log back in.
[07:00] <KeyserSoze> do you see anything?
[07:01] <Kal_Zakath> anyone here use a vanilla kernel with ubuntu ???
[07:01] <utis> KeyserSoze: mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
[07:01] <utis> hmmm.
[07:02] <utis> that would mean that it should work, wouldn't it?
[07:02] <ivar> tolstoy, hmm ok.. thank I'll give that a go.
[07:03] <KeyserSoze> lsmod|grep mouse
[07:03] <KeyserSoze> what do you get there?
[07:04] <utis> mousedev               10124  0
[07:04] <utis> psmouse                17800  0
[07:05] <utis> I tried a "modprobe psmouse" before, so I don't know whether that was automatically added or due to my modprobe.
[07:07] <KeyserSoze> and xxd /dev/psaux as root doesn't dump anything when you move the mouse?
[07:07] <Kal_Zakath> does anybody use vanilla kernel with ubuntu here ???
[07:07] <utis> Shouldn't the touchpad show up in /proc/bus/input/devices?
[07:08] <utis> KeyserSoze: I tried cat as root, but I'll try xxd now to make sure.
[07:08] <KeyserSoze> and you say you have a usb connected that works fine right? and is listed under /proc/bus/input/devices?
[07:08] <utis> No, nothing with xdd /dev/psaux
[07:09] <KeyserSoze> what about the usb?
[07:09] <utis> KeyserSoze: the USB receiver is listed in /proc/bus/input/devices; the USB mouse is out of battery right now. :)
[07:09] <KeyserSoze> k
[07:09] <utis> It used to work when it still had power, though.
[07:10] <KeyserSoze> is there a evdev driver loaded?
[07:10] <KeyserSoze> lsmod
[07:10] <KeyserSoze> module rather
[07:10] <utis> yes, module evdev is loaded.
[07:11] <KeyserSoze> what about usbhid?
[07:11] <KeyserSoze> try this
[07:11] <KeyserSoze> apt-get install discover
[07:12] <KeyserSoze> and after that
[07:12] <KeyserSoze> run discover as root
[07:12] <utis> usbhid and usbcore.
[07:12] <utis> I'll try discover.
[07:13] <utis> running discover seems to take a while ...
[07:14] <jeff__> hi there.
[07:14] <KeyserSoze> sup
[07:15] <jeff__> KeyserSoze> not much.  switched from Debian testing to Ubuntu yesterday - smooth, as expected.  i am left with a question regarding DHCP3 and multiple interfaces.
[07:17] <utis> I get only the same message several times on stderr: serial 8250: too much work for irq11
[07:17] <KeyserSoze> utis: go to bios and disable something like the parallel port and see if that frees it up
[07:17] <jeff__> any way to have network/interfaces skip auto interface that don't have media connected?  for instance, i want to skip bringing up/requesting dhcp for my wired 100baseT connection if it's not connected.
[07:18] <sjoerd> jeff__: use ifplugd and disable auto in interfaces
[07:18] <utis> KeyserSoze: o.k. I'll be back in a minute or two.
[07:18] <pedru> anyone know a way to install ubuntu to a no-cdrom laptop?
[07:18] <KeyserSoze> jeff__: check the "man interfaces"
[07:18] <KeyserSoze> lots of config options there
[07:19] <jeff__> pedru> usb key maybe?
[07:19] <rcaskey_> pedru: usb?
[07:19] <rcaskey_> usb harddrive enclosure
[07:19] <jeff__> keysersoze> that's where i got confused. :)
[07:19] <rcaskey_> costs money, but generally useful
[07:19] <pedru> bios is not able to boot usb...
[07:19] <bwlang> pedru: you could try installing it in another machine then moving the disk ...
[07:19] <pedru> seriously?
[07:19] <pedru> well of course ... as long as its i386
[07:19] <rcaskey_> pedru: do you have another laptop and are you willing to open them up?
[07:20] <jeff__> sjoerd> thanks for the tip.  would not have known to look for it!
[07:20] <pedru> no
[07:20] <pedru> no opening...
[07:20] <rcaskey_> okay, hrmm. What's it running now?
[07:20] <pedru> i like digging around in my home computer, but this laptop is my girlfriends...
[07:20] <pedru> wait a minute...
[07:20] <Treenaks> pedru: uh....
[07:21] <pedru> how would you make an usb install?
[07:21] <pedru> you have to transform the iso for that right
[07:21] <rcaskey_> pedru: skip that option for now
[07:21] <rcaskey_> what's it running now?
[07:21] <pedru> nono.. i installed fedora before
[07:21] <jeff__> pedru> hmmm... out of desperation: get debian boot floppied and then apt upgrade to ubuntu?
[07:21] <jeff__> er floppies
[07:21] <pedru> by using an usb image which i copied to a partition
[07:22] <pedru> well, that would be a possibility too...
[07:22] <rcaskey_> pedru: you could just create a gig partition and put the iso in there
[07:22] <rcaskey_> but only if you have some way to bootstrap it
[07:22] <pedru> i tried that
[07:22] <pedru> with dd
[07:22] <rcaskey_> pedru: why didn't that work?
[07:23] <pedru> well i think the cdrom booting mechanism differs from the normal one... or the boot loader didn't find my partition...
[07:23] <pedru> i used the freebsd boot loader..
[07:23] <pedru> which can be found on the r.i.p disk
[07:23] <rcaskey_> okay, hrmm
[07:23] <pedru> last time it worked...
[07:24] <pedru> i copied the fedora usb install bin to a partition and booted it using the bsd bootmanager...
[07:24] <pedru> but fedora is too bloated...
[07:24] <rcaskey_> pedru: i'd just bootstrap debian by hand and dist-upgrade yorself up
[07:24] <rcaskey_> search for debian base.tar.gz
[07:24] <jeff__> rcaskey> but, doesn't that mean that most of the ubuntu artwork and looks won't make it automatically?
[07:24] <pedru> my floppy disk collection is 10 years old... im lucky i have 2 working disks...
[07:24] <rcaskey_> tar -xzvf, point your boot loader to it, get your nic online
[07:25] <pedru> that would work?
[07:25] <utis> re
[07:25] <rcaskey_> pedru: i'm thinking thats the best way
[07:25] <rcaskey_> there is a potato tar.gz
[07:25] <rcaskey_> I don't think there is a woody I doubt it will be a problem
[07:25] <pedru> and then i can copy the packages from the iso
[07:25] <utis> Unfortunately my BIOS does not provide an option to disable the paralell port.
[07:25] <rcaskey_> pedru: nope
[07:25] <rcaskey_> just copy the sources.list and apt-getinstall ubuntu-desktop or whatever that metapackage is claled
[07:25] <pedru> y?
[07:25] <pedru> the debs...
[07:26] <KeyserSoze> utis: seriously? thats bs
[07:26] <pedru> so i dont have to dl them all
[07:26] <rcaskey_> it depends on all the neat artwork and such, and will get fetched over the net
[07:26] <jeff__> utis> remove or reverse the card orders in your machine and have the BIOS clear IRQ assignments/
[07:26] <rcaskey_> pedru: yeah
[07:26] <jeff__> utis> PNP bioses are picky that way...
[07:26] <KeyserSoze> jeff__: its a laptop
[07:26] <rcaskey_> or just add the deb src line
[07:26] <utis> While booting I saw two "fatal" error messages regarding modules. One of them was "pciehp".  Could that be related?
[07:26] <rcaskey_> oh, but no cd, I forgot
[07:26] <jeff__> rcaskey> I therefore stand corrected.
[07:26] <bwlang> pedru: you usually don't have to open up a laptop to remove the disk... depends on the model in question
[07:26] <jeff__> KeyserSoze> oops. :)
[07:26] <pedru> ok...  before i start i google around a bit more...
[07:27] <utis> jeff__: I can't frob the hardware (if I understand you correcly). It is a laptop.
[07:27] <pedru> bwlang, its a fujitsu... believe me i am happy to be able to remove the batteries...
[07:27] <pedru> it sucks...
[07:27] <pedru> its pentium 4 heats my appartment...
[07:27] <pedru> its fan sounds like a hairdryer
[07:28] <rcaskey_> pedru: im checking up on this now
[07:29] <rcaskey_> if your hardware is supported finding a potato base.tar.gz would work
[07:30] <pedru> has anyone done a usb install?
[07:30] <Se7h> can i make an OT question ?
[07:32] <utis> It seems very weird to me that the kernel obviously detects the mouse; it is mentioned in dmesg and there is psmouse in lsmod.
[07:33] <utis> but /dev/psaux is dead.
[07:33] <utis> Could there anything else occupying /dev/psaux (I am stabbing in the dark; I am totally clueless ...)?
[07:38] <jeff__> utis> how about /dev/input/mice instead of /dev/psaux?
[07:38] <jeff__> utis> http://www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~danlee/fun/psaux/ seems to claim that /dev/psaux is dead and no longer in use with kernels 2.6.x
[07:38] <jeff__> utis> (or are you still on 2.4?)
[07:38] <bwlang> pedru: bummer - good luck with it!
[07:39] <utis> jeff__: 2.6.8 according to uname.  Vanilla Ubuntu kernel.
[07:39] <utis> I'll try /dev/input/mice.  That's where XFree was looking for the USB mouse, though.
[07:40] <pedru> bwlang, thx...
[07:40] <pedru> if i find a way i contribute it to the wiki...
[07:40] <utis> no, nothing with xxd /dev/input/mice.
[07:40] <pedru> it must be possible to boot that iso from a partition
[07:40] <GnuHippy> when is x.org going to be in hoary?
[07:43] <Ruffian|JANE|> ahoy
[07:45] <kensai> is there any howto install kde on ubuntu?
[07:46] <Ruffian|JANE|> hey alll
[07:46] <utis> If I read the document correctly at the URL jeff__ posted, then /dev/psaux should at least work for the PS/2 mouse emulation stuff of my touchpad.
[07:48] <Hikaru79> Is one of the repositories down?
[07:48] <Hikaru79> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/tetex-bin/libkpathsea3_2.0.2-21ubuntu0.1_i386.deb
[07:48] <Hikaru79>   404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.155 80] 
[07:48] <Hikaru79> Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/tetex-bin/tetex-bin_2.0.2-21ubuntu0.1_i386.deb
[07:48] <Hikaru79>   404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.155 80] 
[08:00] <ivar> how does one install a new font ? (or is this more of a gnome question ?)
[08:01] <ivar> man.. it's in the menu
[08:01] <ivar> sigh, that'll teach me to just search help & the wiki.. :P
[08:02] <ivar> actually, the font application is for font seleciton, not addition.. so I guess my question still stands
[08:03] <utis> Shouldn't the command lshw list the PS/2 somewhere?
[08:03] <rye> I've got a question about installing a package which I believe is actually made for Debian.  I'm rather lost and could use some help.
[08:04] <LeeColleton> When I plug in my flash card reader, it doesn't automagically mount (although dmesg shows that it is recognized).  Isn't it supposed to just appear on the desktop?
[08:04] <rye> If anyone's familiar with openssh's DSA and RSA keys then they will have an interest in the software opensc and openct.
[08:04] <nefertati> hello i wanted to ask how can i cp file from windows  thank you
[08:04] <rye> But opensc/openct don't appear in Synaptic or dselect.
[08:05] <rye> But it is my understanding that the developers of opensc/openct use Debian.
[08:06] <rye> So is it possible for me to install their softare on Ubuntu?
[08:06] <nefertati> how can cp files from windows ?
[08:07] <lokooloko> hey
[08:07] <nefertati> ?
[08:07] <lokooloko> i would liike to know when i am supoced to get the cds
[08:07] <lokooloko> i am form usa
[08:08] <utis> nefertati: please be more specific.  Do you have a dual boot system with a MS Windows XP ntfs partition and you want to copy files from sais partition to your GNU/Linux partion?
[08:08] <utis> sais -> said
[08:08] <nefertati> yes utis
[08:09] <utis> then mount is as root (or with sudo) to some directory, like /mnt, for example.
[08:09] <utis> mount /dev/hda1 /mnt (probably!)
[08:09] <nefertati> with sudo?
[08:09] <utis> yes: sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt (probably!)
[08:10] <utis> (without the "(probably!)")
[08:10] <nefertati> i tryed ls /mnt but nothing i cant
[08:10] <nefertati> i want to cp a specific file
[08:10] <nefertati> lol utis
[08:11] <nefertati> then i cp file
[08:11] <nefertati> ?
[08:11] <utis> you typed "sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt", then you typed your password, you did not get an error message, but ls /mnt does not show anything?
[08:11] <nefertati> no
[08:11] <lokooloko> can anybody please tell me when i am ggettiing my pressed cds???
[08:12] <Hikaru79> lokooloko, it's in the topic :)
[08:12] <Hikaru79> Will be shipped in a few weeks
[08:12] <jeff__> lokooloko> most probably when then end up in your postman's bag... ;)
[08:12] <nefertati> and something else i i tryed to copy this file to floppy but when i put it on linuc then it said that can mount cannot detrmine the filesystem
[08:13] <nefertati> that connot mount and that cannot determine the filesystem
[08:13] <Hikaru79> Was the floppy formatted on a Windows/Mac machine?
[08:13] <Hikaru79> That would explain it =/
[08:13] <jeff__> nerfertati> it possibly sounds like your kernel does not have vfat or ntfs modules compiled?
[08:14] <utis> nefertati: what is the output of "sudo fdisk -l" ?
[08:14] <utis> (the -l switch is important)
[08:14] <nefertati> i dont know utis
[08:15] <nefertati> jeff i formatted the partition and put ubuntu with linux ext2
[08:15] <nefertati> not ntfs or fat
[08:15] <utis> please start a terminal (in the application menu und "System tools" or something like that). Then type "sudo fdisk -l".
[08:16] <jeff__> nefertati> indeed.  but you are most probably trying to access vfat or ntfs file systems, either on the floppy or on the other partition from which you wish to copy the file.
[08:17] <nefertati> utis i cant access now because im in windows
[08:17] <nefertati> because i cannot connect to the internet because maybe my modem is a win modem etc...
[08:17] <nefertati> :(((( i dont what to do
[08:17] <nefertati> can anyone come here to fix this machine?
[08:18] <utis> nefertati: and you already tried to use "mount"?
[08:18] <rcaskey_> can someone on the old wiki with permissions to change the front page make a big bold "WIKI HAS MOVED HERE" mesage?
[08:18] <nefertati> no
[08:18] <utis> nefertati: well, that's what you told me above. :)
[08:18] <m00se> hi
[08:19] <m00se> are there any known problems with xfs support in hoary?
[08:19] <nefertati> i just typed la /mnt but i dont what it means lol because i wanted to run scan modem so i can find any drivers for my modem
[08:19] <nefertati> :)
[08:19] <nefertati> lol
[08:19] <utis> nefertati: /mnt is empty as long as you don't "mount" a partition there.
[08:19] <nefertati> so how can mount the partition?
[08:20] <utis> Here's a recipe (everything typed at a terminal): 1. sudo fdisk -l
[08:20] <nefertati> yes...
[08:20] <utis> This should list all partitions on your drive.
[08:20] <nefertati> yes...
[08:21] <utis> look for the last column. You need the row with NTFS or vfat or some other MS Windows file system.
[08:21] <utis> The first column of that row tells you which device on your GNU/Linux system refers that partition.
[08:22] <utis> Say, it is "/dev/hda1" (which is most likely the case).
[08:22] <nefertati> was it wrong that i formatted the partition with linux ext2 ? or had to format it with ntfs ?
[08:22] <utis> Then 2. type sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt
[08:22] <utis> After that ls /mnt should show the root directory of your MS Windows partition.
[08:22] <nefertati> then?
[08:23] <utis> then?
[08:23] <nefertati> should i install ubuntu again?
[08:23] <utis> no, why?
[08:23] <nefertati> with ntfs  or leave that way?
[08:23] <utis> I think that ntfs is a really bad choice for a GNU/Linux installation, if it is possible at all.
[08:23] <jeff__> utis> cannot be done.
[08:24] <jeff__> utis> vfat, yes, but not ntfs.
[08:24] <nefertati> i know that ntfs is for windows and especially for win xp
[08:24] <jeff__> nefertati> correct.
[08:24] <utis> jeff__: at least there's read-support ...
[08:24] <nefertati> so i put linux ext2
[08:24] <jeff__> nefertati> and as such, you are trying, from Ubuntu (in ext3), to read from your Windows installation, which is most likely NTFS (if you are running XP)
[08:25] <jeff__> nefertati> in order to do that, you must mount the filesytem into which XP is installed, so that Ubuntu can see it.
[08:25] <mirak_-> fat32 is also available for xp..........dont forget about that
[08:25] <challange> van itt magyar?
[08:25] <nefertati> about the connection to internet i cannot do that i did sudo pppconfig i create new connection but i cannot type pon
[08:25] <nefertati> :(
[08:25] <nefertati> ok jeff
[08:26] <utis> nefertati: do you have DSL?
[08:26] <nefertati> no
[08:26] <jeff__> nefertati> utis was instructing you on how to mount the windows partition in order to read your file off of it.
[08:26] <nefertati> dial up
[08:26] <nefertati> yes i know jeff
[08:26] <nefertati> about the connection is another problem that i have
[08:27] <LeeColleton> how do I get my USB drive to automagically mount when I plug it in?
[08:27] <nefertati> about the connection to internet i cannot do that i did sudo pppconfig i create new connection but i cannot type pon
[08:27] <nefertati> i will type only pon nameofconnection ?
[08:28] <jeff__> LeeCollecton> your kernel has to have the automounting feature compiled in, and your USB drive must be mapped inside of /etc/fstab to a mount point.
[08:28] <jeff__> LeeCollecton> (or do I lose you along the way?)
[08:29] <nefertati> utis?
[08:31] <nefertati> ?
[08:33] <mjr> LeeColleton, in Ubuntu, it should just work if you're logged into Gnome
[08:33] <nefertati> mjr how can make the connection to the internet? with pon?
[08:34] <mjr> nefertati, probably, I'm not up to speed on that really
[08:35] <caleb__> anybody know of a repo that has the firefox-gtkmozembed package?
[08:38] <mbb> bugzilla question - 'Assign To:' defaults to amu@tr.debian.net - should I leave that alone, change to debzilla, or ??
[08:38] <hectorvs> hey guys, I got a wireless setup question.
[08:38] <hectorvs> I have 2 wireless networks I use alot, at home and at campus
[08:39] <hectorvs> how can I make ubuntu recognize and configure the wireless access automatically?
[08:39] <hectorvs> I have to manually configure it every time I change networks, and thats kind of a pain...
[08:39] <m00se> i need some help with data corruption in hoary
[08:40] <challange> how can I install flash plugin for firefox?
[08:40] <challange> there's a page but that doesn't work
[08:40] <tck> www.macromedia.com
[08:40] <challange> yeah
[08:40] <challange> i found macromedia's homepage
[08:40] <challange> but what should I fond there?
[08:40] <challange> find
[08:40] <challange> ?
[08:40] <tck> http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
[08:40] <m00se> i installed mysql-server and after a few minutes every command resulted in i/o error, shortly after that the system froze
[08:41] <challange> cheers
[08:41] <m00se> and after reboot i had corrupted /var/lib/dpkg/available
[08:41] <Pizbit> challange: You can do it this way, see the bottom big part http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:43] <LeeColleton> mjr: I am using gnome.  plugging in the drive doesn't mount it
[08:43] <utis> I have new batteries for my USB mouse now.  I am switching back to X. brb
[08:43] <jesper> m00se: Sounds like a hardware failure of somem kind.
[08:44] <challange> thank you
[08:44] <challange> it's ok
[08:45] <m00se> jesper, i suspected this but when i reinstalled mysql-server it happened again
[08:45] <m00se> available got corrupted, and i got i/o errors
[08:46] <hmtr> hello
[08:46] <Hikaru79> Quick question: when installing a printer through a SAMBA network and it asks for the "Host" what do you put? The computer's id, it's location, what?
[08:46] <mjr> LeeColleton, are you in the plugdev group? (type "id" in a terminal)
[08:46] <hmtr> Hikaru79, try the computer's id, it should work
[08:47] <utis> I think I can live without the touchpad, since I use the laptop more or less stationary anyways.
[08:47] <utis> the phenomenon of the dead /dev/psaux puzzles me a bit, though.
[08:48] <flax07> hi there - im trying to install ubuntu on a dell c600 - but i get a frozen blue screen - and probs reading the cd - i notice that this prob has been mentioned on your lists etc - the prob seems to be DMA - any workarounds?
[08:48] <hmtr> utis, have you tried /dev/input/mouse, or something like that?
[08:48] <utis> hmtr: yes, to no avail.
[08:48] <utis> /dev/input/mice
[08:49] <jesper> m00se, I would boot a Knoppix CD and run memtest from it as a beginning.. then I'd see if i can move som big files around on the disk without getting errors ..
[08:50] <Hikaru79> hmtr, OK I tried the computer's name (which is 'administrator') and now it CLAIMS to see the printer but when I go to "Print a Test Page" it says the page has been sent to printer... but nothing happens :| It doesn't print...
[08:50] <Hikaru79> I'm noticing that the "Location" field has been left blank. Should I fill that in?
[08:51] <hmtr> utis, is it the first time you install a GNU/Linux distro on your laptop? maybe your touchpad isn't a "regular" mouse...
[08:52] <hmtr> Hikaru79, i'm going to try to setup my printer now. can i PM you?
[08:52] <Hikaru79> ^_^ Yes, please!
[08:52] <utis> hmtr: I had a Debian stale running on it quite a while ago. Running the PS/2 touchpad was unproblematic.
[08:52] <Hikaru79> This printer problem has been bugging me for about a week now :) Help would be *greatly* appreciated
[08:53] <hmtr> utis, allright, so i'm out of ideas
[08:53] <hectorvs> hey guys, how do i write a script to detect a wireless network?
[08:53] <utis> hmtr: yes, it is really, really weird.
[08:53] <darksatanic> hectorvs: "iwlist <interface> scan" is your friend
[08:54] <hectorvs> darksatanic: thanks
[08:55] <m00se> jesper, half a gig is big enough?
[08:56] <jesper> m00se, for what purpose?
[08:56] <JStrike> So, anyone created beagle packages for Ubuntu
[08:57] <tck> nes star wars trailer - http://www.tetrixenterprises.com/trailer.mov
[08:57] <m00se> for moving around to check if there are i/o errors
[08:57] <challange> how can I make the windows appear in one
[08:57] <challange> uhh so
[08:58] <challange> if I click on a folder
[08:58] <challange> it opens in a new window
[08:58] <challange> and I don't want that
[08:58] <bagpuss> trying to install on a new machine with a via8237 chipset.  The installer either kernel panics, or hangs at "setting up filesystem".  Any ideas?
[08:59] <hmtr> challange, try double click with your mouse's middle button
[08:59] <flax07> are there any boot params that will stop the install disk from trying to use DMA?
[08:59] <tck> challange, its on the FAQ's
[09:00] <Pizbit> flax07: I could be wrong 'nodma', why doy ou want to disable it anyway?
[09:00] <challange> ok thank's
[09:00] <challange> sorry
[09:01] <tck> challange, Applications > System Tools > Configuration Editor, navigate to /apps/nautilus/
[09:01] <flax07> Pizbit: there seems to be a known problem with dell c600 that is causing the install to fail.
[09:01] <tck> challange, shit actually thats a dif. one
[09:01] <Kirsch> hey guys, is there a program that handles wireless internet better than the Networking one that comes by default?
[09:01] <flax07> Pizbit: it seems to be cos its trying to use DMA on the cd.
[09:02] <flax07> Pizbit: it seems to have mounted - but /cdrom/dists/stable is empty.
[09:02] <challange>  sound state/pref.version
[09:02] <challange> two lines on the right side
[09:02] <Pizbit> flax07: This is way beyond me;)
[09:03] <flax07> Pizbit: 8)
[09:05] <challange> tck: what do i have to change there?
[09:05] <challange> i cannot find dir props
[09:05] <tck> im not using ubnut at the mo
[09:05] <tck> hang on i'll boot the laptop
[09:05] <challange> oh
[09:05] <mjr> yay, Galeon from hoary brought only a rather minimal number of upgrades with it
[09:05] <challange> just for me?
[09:05] <challange> :D
[09:05] <Pizbit> challange: You want to disable nautilus new window stuff?
[09:05] <Pizbit> Back to the old browser style?
[09:06] <mjr> (and thus hopefully didn't break anything :)
[09:07] <Pizbit> gconf-editor apps->nautilus->preferences and tick "always_use_browser"
[09:07] <rcaskey_> what's the easiest way to find the oldest file contained in a given directory?
[09:08] <hmtr> Pizbit, or, in nautilus, edit - preferences - behavior - always open in browser windows
[09:08] <graham> rcaskey_, this may not be the easiest, but it works: "ls -t | tail -n 1"
[09:08] <shaver> yeah, ls -t | tail -1
[09:08] <Pizbit> hmtr: That's there now?:)
[09:09] <rcaskey_> graham: I guess I need to add a function to do it recurisvely, eh?
[09:09] <rcaskey_> err %s/function/switch/
[09:09] <hmtr> Pizbit, yes, in gnome 2.8
[09:09] <challange> Wow
[09:10] <challange> Pizbit: thnx
[09:10] <LeeColleton> mjr: yes, my user is in the plugdev group
[09:10] <challange> it's funny that you can help at home nobody ...
[09:11] <graham> rcaskey_, a switch wouldn't do it; you need to pass the output of "ls -t" into tail seperately.
[09:11] <Hikaru79> I keep getting this error when trying to print to a printer that's connected to a Windows machine through a home network:
[09:11] <Hikaru79> Printing: Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED
[09:12] <graham> (for each directory)
[09:13] <mjr> LeeColleton, okay; well, you probably also have the Desktop preferences / Removable media / Mount removable drives when hot-plugged checked, and if so, that's the end of my expertise on this matter with Ubuntu
[09:13] <LeeColleton> mjr: yes. well, thanks anyway
[09:14] <challange> how can i change the root pass
[09:14] <challange> ?
[09:14] <challange> cause i am the root:D
[09:14] <challange> as I know it is a random thing
[09:15] <challange> cos of secure stuffs
[09:15] <bagpuss> what exactly is the kernel (or installer perhaps) doing at the point it says "Setting up filesystem, please wait" ?
[09:15] <Pizbit> It's in the wiki/faq somewhere I believe, never had to do it.
[09:15] <RuffianSoldier> back
[09:15] <graham> rcaskey_, I've not managed to do it with find (was optimistic there for a while), but you can do it in a loop.
[09:15] <housetier> front
[09:15] <Pizbit> bagpuss: My guess would be formatting the partition
[09:15] <graham> rcaskey_, for d in $(find -type d); do ls -t $d | tail -n 1; done
[09:16] <hectorvs> hey guys, while installing samba i get this error:  update-rc.d: warning: /etc/rc2.d/K09samba is not a link to ../init.d/samba
[09:16] <bagpuss> Pizbit: I doubt it...it hasn't really GOT that far
[09:16] <Pizbit> Ah, heh
[09:16] <bagpuss> Pizbit: this is well before it's even gotten to the menu system
[09:16] <hectorvs> what's wrong? :S
[09:16] <Pizbit> bagpuss: RAM disk?
[09:16] <bagpuss> Pizbit: possibly, I'm not sure
[09:19] <graham> rcaskey_, you still there?
[09:19] <rcaskey_> yeah
[09:19] <graham> did you see that loop?
[09:19] <rcaskey_> thanks
[09:19] <graham> np
[09:19] <Pizbit> Anyway, last day of school for the rest of my life, laters!
[09:19] <rcaskey_> haven't done it yet
[09:19] <rcaskey_> wrote a custom script that I'm waiting to finish
[09:19] <rcaskey_> it just checkes for mtimes since 180 days ago
[09:20] <cardador> wow football manager 2005 runs in wine!
[09:22] <MagicFab> hello
[09:22] <MagicFab> Need some help with keyboard mapping setup
[09:23] <MagicFab> I'd like to get the same mapping as US English - US International under Windows
[09:23] <MagicFab> How can I do that ?
[09:23] <Treenaks> MagicFab: just select us_intl
[09:23] <MagicFab> That keyboard produces all the accented characters for english and french with a combination of 2 keystrokes - the apostrophe/quote and the letter
[09:23] <MagicFab> Treenaks: can' t find it...
[09:24] <Treenaks> MagicFab: where are you selecting it?
[09:24] <MagicFab> I went to Desktop prefs > Keyboard
[09:24] <Treenaks> MagicFab: (that's called a "dead keys" keyboard)
[09:25] <Treenaks> MagicFab: so try "US English w/ deadkeys"
[09:25] <MagicFab> How come ? I have never heard that. Do you know if it' s documented /explaines somewhere ?
[09:25] <Treenaks> well..
[09:25] <MagicFab> exactly! many thanks
[09:25] <Treenaks> if you press " or ' or something, nothing happens.. the key looks "dead"
[09:27] <MagicFab> well... good thing you were here :)
[09:27] <MagicFab> 
[09:27] <MagicFab> I swear I need them all :D
[09:27] <MagicFab> most excelent, many tx Treenaks
[09:28] <hmtr> by the way, anyone from portugal? :-)
[09:29] <challange> ..
[09:30] <hectorvs> hey guys, im having trouble installing samba
[09:30] <mrjive> hi ToTo
[09:31] <hmtr> what seems to be the problem, hectorvs?
[09:31] <hectorvs> it says somethinga bout dangling symlink
[09:32] <hectorvs> invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/K09samba
[09:32] <hectorvs> ??? =(
[09:38] <hectorvs> so how can i fix that prob?
[09:39] <hectorvs> i am looking around on the net, but to no avail :S
[09:40] <bagpuss> ah, for some reason it wasn't detecting the amount of memory properly
[09:40] <bagpuss> so was hanging when it tried to use it
[09:41] <hmtr> hectorvs, do you have that file?
[09:41] <hmtr> where does it points to?
[09:41] <hectorvs> yes i do
[09:42] <hectorvs> the thing is its not linked correctly
[09:42] <hectorvs> its supposed to be linked to ../etc/init.d/samba
[09:42] <hectorvs> but it only shows /samba
[09:43] <hmtr> i really don't know how to fix that...
[09:43] <hmtr> maybe you can just remove it and  create a new one?
[09:43] <hectorvs> ls -l /etc/rc?.d/*samba returns _ /etc/rc2.d/K09samba - /samba
[09:43] <hectorvs> wthe /etc/rc2.d/K09samba is colored red
[09:44] <NewComer-ubuntu> elmatch kam kam???
[09:44] <jamaas> does anyone know if there is a problem with modprobe in module-init-tools 3.1pre2-2ubuntu3?  I'm having a problem with a module for a hsf modem module ... ??  thanks
[09:45] <z1> these ubuntu packages , can they be used with sid? or sid packages used with ubuntu natively ?
[09:47] <spiv> z1: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.7453904394
[09:48] <Disharmony> hey
[09:49] <kensai> anyone here plays doom 3 on Linux?
[09:50] <kensai> I just want to knoe if I would be able to have sound in doom3 on ubuntu?
[09:50] <kensai> I use the alsa derivers the ubuntu default
[09:51] <kensai> drivers*
[09:51] <hmtr> kensai, i believe so, but i'm not sure. try it.
[09:51] <pedru> kensai, why should that be a problem
[09:52] <hmtr> isn't hald supposed to be started by default?
[09:52] <pedru> doom 3 uses oss (i think), ubuntu supports oss emulation by default...
[09:52] <kensai> pedru: cause doom 3 states that they don't support alsa only oss
[09:52] <redemption> Hello, I'm new to gnome, so I was wondering how to change file associations on gnome
[09:53] <pedru> play doom 3 on windows... its terribly slow under linux (i tried everything my nvidia card has to offeR)
[09:53] <kensai> and I tried in other distro and sound didn't function
[09:53] <pedru> besides there is no 3d sound in linux...
[09:53] <pedru> should be no problem in ubuntu...
[09:53] <kensai> But I believe maybe ubuntu handle things other way
[09:53] <redemption> I think doom 3 is slow on all os's unless you have a great system
[09:53] <pedru> just try it.. it takes you 10 minutes to get it up and running
[09:54] <kensai> I think doom 3 works better in Linux as all games
[09:54] <Disharmony> i need some help with mounting a win98 partition with fstab. i have managed to mount it actually but it is not browsable despite rw privileges. ill type the rellated line:
[09:55] <hmtr> redemption, you can right-click on a file and change it's settings. i don't know another way to do it.
[09:55] <pedru> @redemption yeah, but i dual boot, and the game is faster on windows... under every circumstances... i shut down all unneccessary services and tuned my card (fast writes , bla , bla)... and im not the only one with that problem
[09:55] <pedru> visit the doom 3 linux forums... a LOT of poeple have problems...
[09:56] <redemption> hmtr, when I try that I can't change the default left-click action.  It doesn't give me the option to remove that association. (i.e. totem.  I hate totem.)
[09:57] <Disharmony>  /dev/hda1 /home/raven/c msdos  users,exec 0 0  hope i remembered that correctly
[09:58] <Disharmony> any ideas why i cant browse the partition?
[10:00] <hmtr> redemption, you could hack on /usr/shared/applications/totem.desktop...
[10:00] <hmtr> supper's ready. be back in a few moments
[10:00] <hmtr> supper or dinner...?
[10:01] <kensai> is it possible to transfer my ubuntu installation from my HDA HDD to my HDB HDD? I believe this is almost impossible but I don't loose anything asking
[10:01] <Mithrandir> kensai: yes, it's fairly easy as well; the trick is getting the bootloader to install
[10:01] <mauri> hi
[10:01] <Striss> has anybody tried compiling FreeCNC in ubuntu?
[10:02] <kensai> Mithrandir: any howto?
[10:02] <Disharmony> can anybody help me? please
[10:02] <mauri> hi all.  I am looking at installing debian for my brother, but I don't think he's up to all the configuring.  So this brought me the idea of installing ubuntu-ppc, then again he doesn't like  gnone.   Has there been any good success geting xfree86-DRI from the debian-ppc crowd working?
[10:02] <redemption> hmtr, Yeah I tried that to no avail.  It seemslike ubuntu's version of gnome is slighty off, in that gnome has a gui for changing associations that I can't find on ubuntu.
[10:03] <Mithrandir> kensai: for copying the files?  mount the new hd somewhere and run cp -ax / /newplace, making sure to repeat for each of your partitions
[10:03] <kensai> Hmmm? I'll try and learn ;) thanks
[10:04] <Mithrandir> kensai: if you don't feel comfortable mucking about in a terminal, I'd recommend installing onto the new drive, then copying your user data over afterwards.
[10:04] <Mithrandir> depending on how much you've customized your installation, naturally.
[10:05] <kensai> Mithrandir: installing in my other HDD and copying files might be the best
[10:05] <EfaistOs> is it normal to have nothing on the desktop ?
[10:07] <Disharmony> efaisos: yeah
[10:08] <ogra> EfaistOs: a nice logo should be there ;)
[10:08] <EfaistOs> ogra, yes that's ll ?
[10:08] <EfaistOs> s/ll/all
[10:08] <EfaistOs> ?
[10:09] <Disharmony> can someone confirm that win98 fat32 is actually vfat and not msdos to the kernel?
[10:09] <ogra> EfaistOs: yup, its the space you may fill as you like, its _your_ desktop ;)
[10:10] <will> Vfat
[10:10] <DieHard> Well when one thinks one has seen the run of linux distros, up pops Ubuntu that rescales the "1-10". All the best!
[10:11] <EfaistOs> ogra, another question : I plugged in an external usb hd but it doesnt mount the device but the same hd worked on another ubuntu ...
[10:11] <Disharmony> will i suppose that means yes. thanks for the correction also
[10:12] <Disharmony> will:
[10:12] <will> disharmony: sorry yeah its VFAT
[10:13] <ogra> EfaistOs: hmm, should work....
[10:13] <Foxfyre> Hey folks
[10:13] <Ruffian|JANE|> hi
[10:14] <EfaistOs> ogra, i have the /dev/sda1,2,5 and 6 created in /dev but it's not mounted automatically ? :( and on the other one it did it ...
[10:14] <EfaistOs> i dunno why ...
[10:14] <Foxfyre> So I forgot how I did it before, but I have a rogue X mouse cursor in the middle of my screen.
[10:14] <Foxfyre> Anyone know how to get rid of it?
[10:15] <ogra> EfaistOs: look in Computer->Desktop Settings->removable media if the options are right
[10:15] <Disharmony> also is there a xfree86-dev for ubuntu? cant find it on the net. (i'm not using apt-get cause ubuntu cant connect to the Net) im on windows now. Dawm winmodems!  so i mannually d/l and install with dpkg
[10:15] <Disharmony> i need it to compile xine
[10:16] <rye> What starts gnome-session?
[10:16] <rye> I'd like to slighly modify my setup to start ssh-agent first.
[10:16] <rye> s/slighly/slightly/
[10:16] <ogra> Foxfyre: add  "SWCursor" "on" to the Device section in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:16] <EfaistOs> ogra, hald service is not running
[10:16] <ogra> EfaistOs: ouch
[10:17] <Foxfyre> that's it - thanks ogra
[10:17] <ogra> EfaistOs: try: sudo /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[10:17] <ogra> EfaistOs: in a terminal
[10:21] <EfaistOs> ogra, it works :p
[10:21] <EfaistOs> dunno why this service was halted
[10:21] <ogra> ;)
[10:23] <EfaistOs> but a thing weird it opened 4 windows because i have four partition on this hd but only one icon appeared on desktop
[10:23] <Striss> what package does "bits" come from?
[10:24] <Striss> as in /usr/local/bits
[10:24] <ogra> Striss: dpkg -S `which bits`
[10:24] <Striss> k
[10:24] <ogra> Striss: dpkg -S /usr/local/bits
[10:24] <ogra> if its in /usr/local
[10:25] <Striss> libc6-dev, ah thankyou
[10:25] <Striss> it was /usr/include atually
[10:25] <ogra> ahh
[10:25] <Striss> ok i'm trying to compile something, but its choking when it hits the /usr/include/bits/ files...
[10:25] <Striss> i'm wondering what i can do to fix this situation
[10:25] <bigbrother0074> why might i be getting a segmentation fault when i try to run mldonkey-gui?
[10:26] <bigbrother0074> will it not work on a 64 bit platform?
[10:26] <shaver> what package is likely to contain the man page for, say, strcpy?
[10:26] <ogra> EfaistOs: what shows the window that opens if you click the icon ?
[10:28] <EfaistOs> it open sda1 by example ... but i dont have the icons for sda2, sda5 and 6 but i have the windows ...
[10:29] <ogra> EfaistOs: weird...are you on hoary ?
[10:29] <ogra> EfaistOs: or warty ?
[10:29] <EfaistOs> warty
[10:32] <sjoerd> pitti: ping
[10:32] <pitti> sjoerd: pong
[10:33] <sjoerd> pitti: just talking to someone about pmount and stuff. it seems that setting the iocharset mount option is important
[10:33] <sjoerd> for some people on vfat and ntfs volumes
[10:33] <EfaistOs> ogra, in /media/ i have the four partition sda1, 2, 5 and 6
[10:33] <EfaistOs> but no icon
[10:33] <EfaistOs> :'(
[10:34] <pitti> sjoerd: right, the charset looks important
[10:34] <gexplorer> hi to all
[10:34] <EfaistOs> i unmount the first and the three other appears ...
[10:34] <EfaistOs> weird
[10:34] <jchstevens> Does anyone have experience in running Ubuntu with a Yamaha OPL3 sound card? I can't get a sound out of mine!
[10:34] <gexplorer> I've recently installed ubuntu on mi pc and I have a problem
[10:34] <ogra> EfaistOs: thats famd.....
[10:34] <pitti> sjoerd: but can't it be determined automatically? From the locale or so?
[10:35] <nathanieldelaney> how do I save files to another partition from ubuntu?
[10:35] <will> nathanieldelaney:you have to munt the patrition in Linux
[10:36] <gexplorer> when I try to run anithing that is needed to change the user to root, in gnome, it appears the box where I enter the root passwd but then it appears an error: Failed to ru /.... as user root
[10:36] <nathanieldelaney> how do I do that
[10:36] <nathanieldelaney> I tried mount /dev/hdc2/ and got this: mount: can't find /dev/hdc2 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[10:36] <gexplorer> but i've tried to run these aplications from the console as root ant they run correctly
[10:36] <gexplorer> any ideas?
[10:36] <Aard> a
[10:37] <will> gexplorer: Root is disabled by default in Ubuntu - use sudo (to be a super user)
[10:37] <will> gexplorer: and your users password
[10:37] <nathanieldelaney> root@ubuntu:/home/sean # mount /dev/hdc3
[10:37] <nathanieldelaney> mount: mount point none does not exist
[10:37] <gexplorer> but I've enabled it and in console I can do su
[10:38] <aratdagnir> hello everyone!
[10:38] <will> nathanieldelaney: you need to say where you will mount /dev/hdc3
[10:38] <aratdagnir> i've just compiled MPlayer,  but video doesnt show
[10:38] <WW> gexplorer: How are you starting the apps that ask for the root password in a box?
[10:38] <Disharmony> add something like  to /etc/fstab/dev/hdc2 "myfolder" "filesystem"  users,exec 0 0
[10:38] <aratdagnir> any suggestions?
[10:38] <aratdagnir> is there a problem with XFree drivers?
[10:39] <gexplorer> for example the synaptic in the menu or whe i try to change the our in the clock
[10:39] <Disharmony> add something like  to /etc/fstab /dev/hdc2 "myfolder" "filesystem"  users,exec 0 0
[10:39] <aratdagnir> no video works, even with totem or gstreamer whatever
[10:39] <nathanieldelaney> hmm
[10:39] <nathanieldelaney> k
[10:39] <will> nathanieldelaney: sudo mount /dev/hdc3 /mnt/c (for example, but make sure /mnt/c exists
[10:39] <WW> gexplorer: Have you tried entering _your_ password?
[10:39] <gexplorer> yeah
[10:39] <gexplorer> but roots passwd is different , i can change to root in console without problem
[10:40] <nathanieldelaney> can I mount it so that it shows up on my desktop, as if I had just popped in a cd?
[10:40] <gexplorer> uuuups
[10:40] <gexplorer> why if I enter my users passwd runs? xD
[10:40] <Disharmony> will i think he might need the -t  option to specify the filesystem. or not?
[10:40] <WW> gexplorer: Probably the menu apps are using sudo.
[10:40] <aratdagnir> do you know any repositories i may add to apt?
[10:40] <aratdagnir> where i can find a compiled mplayer
[10:40] <Matt|> aratdagnir, what format are the videos which you are trying to play?
[10:41] <EfaistOs> ogra, an idea ?
[10:41] <WW> gexplorer: So it doesn't matter if you have enabled the root password.
[10:41] <Matt|> aratdagnir, ah yes it is better to install compiled packages
[10:41] <aratdagnir> well, divx which run on this machine when i boot slack
[10:41] <gexplorer> WW, aham thanks
[10:41] <Matt|> aratdagnir, for that you need the divx codecs
[10:41] <aratdagnir> mplayer is not in the repositories :(
[10:41] <nathanieldelaney> how do I make sure /mnt/c exists?
[10:41] <gexplorer> oh and how can I add enlightenment to the GDM session menu ?
[10:41] <Matt|> aratdagnir, you need to add a couple of hidden repositories
[10:42] <Matt|> have a look in "/etc/apt/sources.list"
[10:42] <Matt|> and uncomment universe
[10:42] <aratdagnir> Matt| can you please tell me those :)
[10:42] <Matt|> and multiverse
[10:42] <will> nathanieldelaney: /dev/hdc3       /mnt/c          vfat    user,gid=YOURUSERNAME,umask=000      0      0
[10:42] <Matt|> hang on and i'll give you the repository where you can find divx packages
[10:42] <aratdagnir> thanks!
[10:43] <Matt|> or ogra will post the wiki url for you if you're lucky ;)
[10:43] <WW> ogra-bot!
[10:43] <Matt|> aratdagnir, add this to the end of that file:
[10:43] <Matt|> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
[10:43] <aratdagnir> :)
[10:43] <will> nathanieldelaney: put that in your fstab
[10:43] <Matt|> aratdagnir, the divx codecs are in the win32codecs package or something
[10:44] <Matt|> aratdagnir, after changing the sources.list file you need to run "apt-get update"
[10:44] <hmtr> w32codecs
[10:44] <aratdagnir> thank you very very much :)
[10:44] <aratdagnir> ok, i'll do that
[10:44] <Matt|> :)
[10:44] <Matt|> hope it works
[10:45] <Matt|> get the mplayer-686 package
[10:45] <ogra> huh
[10:45] <ogra> oh
[10:45] <Matt|> aratdagnir, sorry mplayer-586
[10:45] <will> anyone wanting to watch Videos/dvd's or anything else media get VLC
[10:45] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:45] <ogra> uff
[10:45] <Matt|> lol
[10:45] <Matt|> ogra, so slow
[10:45] <Matt|> :)
[10:45] <ogra> was on gaim....IM
[10:46] <Matt|> we'll have to get a new bot
[10:46] <Matt|> mention "divx" in the channel, print wiki url
[10:46] <ogra> oh, but you'll recieve better things...... wait
[10:47] <aratdagnir> well, maybe it's my connection, but it failed
[10:47] <aratdagnir> :(
[10:47] <Matt|> aratdagnir, what failed?
[10:47] <Matt|> update?
[10:47] <wulle> hello everyone
[10:47] <deltaex> I have zwo Graphicscard, how I can make dual head?
[10:47] <gnat_> any wireless gurus on here?
[10:48] <aratdagnir> the rep. couldnt be contacted because of network problems?
[10:48] <wulle> got a xml parsing error in firefox
[10:48] <Matt|> aratdagnir, works here
[10:48] <gnat_> I need to know which .bin file to copy as what to the hotplug firmware dir
[10:48] <Matt|> check the address
[10:48] <aratdagnir> weird
[10:48] <aratdagnir> maybe i got a problem with ftps
[10:48] <Matt|> Hit ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages
[10:48] <Matt|> Hit ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Release
[10:49] <gnat_> dmesg is looking for TIACX111.BIN and TIACX111.BIN2.2.6.8-3-powerpc...
[10:49] <gnat_> where do I find those?
[10:49] <Matt|> gnat_, that is the firmware
[10:49] <gnat_> I have the original windows disks
[10:49] <Matt|> gnat_, get em off the windows cd
[10:49] <Matt|> good man
[10:49] <gnat_> but there is no firmware named like that
[10:49] <ogra> Matt|: http://www.grawert.net/MrBurns.png
[10:49] <Matt|> gnat_, np
[10:49] <Matt|> gnat_, you have to rename
[10:49] <gnat_> and since there are many .bin files
[10:49] <wulle> it gives me undefined entity in location chrome://browser/content/browser.xul
[10:49] <gnat_> I don't know which should be which
[10:49] <Matt|> gnat_, what have you got on there?
[10:49] <gnat_> one sec
[10:50] <Matt|> ogra, don't get it :(
[10:50] <aratdagnir> trying :)
[10:50] <gnat_> Matt|, FW1130 FwRad16.bin FwRad17.bin radio16.bin radio17.bin
[10:50] <Matt|> gnat_, dlink?
[10:50] <gnat_> Matt|, plus the inf,ini and sys files
[10:50] <gnat_> yes
[10:51] <Matt|> model?
[10:51] <aratdagnir> the server says no such file or directory
[10:51] <gnat_> DWL-G630
[10:51] <Matt|> lol
[10:51] <Matt|> similar to mine
[10:51] <gnat_> not supported?
[10:51] <Matt|> i use the FwRad16.bin
[10:51] <gnat_> k
[10:51] <Matt|> rename to TIACX111.BIN
[10:51] <gnat_> k
[10:51] <ogra> Matt|: strange i see it....
[10:51] <Matt|> 17 didn't work for me
[10:51] <gnat_> and then what about the other file it looks for?
[10:51] <Matt|> ogra, i see it ok... what does it mean?
[10:51] <gnat_> the TIA..2....
[10:51] <Matt|> gnat_, not sure
[10:51] <gnat_> k
[10:51] <Matt|> gnat_, i hope it will work with just one
[10:51] <gnat_> let me try this.
[10:51] <Matt|> you are on ppc?
[10:51] <gnat_> yes
[10:52] <ogra> Matt|: ogg/mp3 burner
[10:52] <gnat_> TiG4
[10:52] <Matt|> hmm
[10:52] <Matt|> ogra, you wrote it?
[10:52] <ogra> Matt|: i'm just writing it, yes...thats why i'm a bit slower currently
[10:52] <Matt|> oh cool
[10:52] <gnat_> Matt|, cool
[10:53] <Matt|> gnat_, let me know how you get on
[10:53] <gnat_> Matt|, I have a light on and better results in dmesg
[10:53] <gnat_> thanks
[10:53] <Matt|> good!
[10:53] <Matt|> just pray it stays up
[10:53] <gnat_> Matt|, nope
[10:53] <gnat_> I get
[10:53] <Matt|> are you using a custom software package or through the ubuntu starup script?
[10:53] <gnat_> Danger Will Robinson, MAC did not come back
[10:54] <gnat_> in dmesg
[10:54] <Matt|> omg
[10:54] <Matt|> weird
[10:54] <gnat_> which is what I got with the other firmware file I tried
[10:54] <gnat_> it is still looking for the
[10:54] <Matt|> gnat_, how are you starting it?
[10:54] <gnat_> Matt|, ERROR 2 trying to open firmware image file '/lib/hotplug/firmware/TIACX111.BIN-2.6.8.1-3-powerpc': file not found - make sure this EXACT filename is in eXaCtLy this directory!
[10:54] <aratdagnir> Matt, ogra, thanks for the addresses, i'll try later :) see ya!
[10:54] <Matt|> aratdagnir, it should be working
[10:55] <gnat_> Matt|, I'm not, pcmcia insert, the driver prints out in dmesg
[10:55] <aratdagnir> it can be because of my connection, tonight it's a little bit dizzy
[10:55] <aratdagnir> :)
[10:55] <Matt|> ok
[10:55] <Matt|> hmm
[10:55] <aratdagnir> thanks :)
[10:55] <aratdagnir> see ya
[10:55] <Matt|> bye
[10:56] <Matt|> ("Chatzilla 0.9.66d [Mozilla rv:1.7.3/20041027] ")
[10:56] <Matt|> what is chatzilla like?
[10:57] <nathanieldelaney> if I made a fat32 partition that I wanted linux and windows to both have access to, how can I make it so that the partition is mounted and accessible whenever I boot to linux?  If it already is mounted and accessible, how do I access it?
[10:58] <Disharmony> if you added that line Will suggested to fstab thats what you did
[10:59] <Matt|> nathanieldelaney, add the partition to /etc/fstab in order to have it mount when you boot. To access it just browse to it in nautilus
[10:59] <rapha> Hi all!
[11:00] <rapha> Is there some DSL/PPPoE HOWTO for Ubuntu?
[11:00] <ShadowHawk> I just got a new motherboard.  Will I need to reinstall from CD, or can I just put in my old hard disk and boot it?
[11:00] <Disharmony> Matt: compared to what?
[11:00] <will> nathanieldelaney: sudo nano /etc/fstab
[11:00] <Matt|> Disharmony, eh?
[11:00] <spiv> ShadowHawk: Just put in your old hard disk and boot, almost certainly.
[11:01] <rapha> ShadowHawk: should be able to just replace it
[11:01] <will> nathanieldelaney: add the line i gave you  at the END
[11:01] <rapha> (This ain't Windows ;-) )
[11:01] <Disharmony> what is chatzilla like?
[11:01] <Matt|> oh i c
[11:01] <ShadowHawk> Is there a script I need to run though, or is that done on boot everytime?
[11:01] <rapha> Anybody using DSL here? How do I set it up under Ubuntu?
[11:01] <Matt|> it is an irc client right?
[11:02] <Matt|> rapha, how are you accessing it?
[11:02] <nathanieldelaney> k
[11:02] <spiv> ShadowHawk: It happens on boot.
[11:02] <Disharmony> yeah
[11:02] <will> rapha: YES
[11:02] <ShadowHawk> Thanks
[11:02] <Matt|> Disharmony, then compared to other irc clients i guess
[11:02] <rapha> Matt|: Well, the computer has an Ethernet cable to the DSL modem...
[11:02] <Disharmony> its a bit spartan
[11:02] <rapha> will: How did you set it up?
[11:02] <Matt|> rapha, ok
[11:02] <will> rapha: do you have DHCP or manual ISP config?
[11:03] <burnboy> ok...i just re-installed ubuntu and all of a sudden when i try to boot into Gnome it just hangs at the 'Ubuntu' splash..any ideas???
[11:03] <Disharmony> compared to mirc
[11:03] <rapha> Matt|: I know I need PPPoE, but not how it should be configured with Ubuntu.
[11:03] <burnboy> i'm in failsafe term with no window manager
[11:03] <Matt|> rapha, should do it automatically
[11:03] <rapha> will: Well, DHCP I hope? No idea...
[11:03] <rapha> Matt|: Er, and where do I enter my user name and password?
[11:03] <Matt|> rapha, computer--> system config --> networking
[11:03] <will> rapha: in windows, do you plug it in, and it works?
[11:03] <Disharmony> dunno about  linux clients though
[11:03] <GnuHippy> if I have internet that is pure DHCP cable do I need to have the PPP service running?
[11:03] <rapha> Matt|: But that doesn't contain an option for DSL connections.
[11:04] <will> rapha:what matt| said
[11:04] <rapha> will: I haven't used Windows since 1995.
[11:04] <cyrus-tc> to answer my question i ve asked yesterday -> yes, the ubuntu installation supports the 3ware 8506-2 lp s-ata controller ;)
[11:04] <GnuHippy> what have you been using rapha?
[11:04] <Matt|> rapha, under Modem (PPP) probably
[11:04] <rapha> I mean, I could go forward and hand-configure rp-pppoe, but Ubuntu has probably a better way.
[11:04] <synapse> GnuHippy: If it is from an ethernet cable then prob not
[11:04] <GnuHippy> ok
[11:04] <burnboy> can somebody help? i'm at a loss.
[11:04] <rapha> Matt|: Well, and what phone number does one use for an ADSL modem?
[11:04] <Matt|> depends
[11:04] <will> rapha: pppoe needs only the cable to work...no drivers etc unless your using a router or strange non generic dsl modem
[11:04] <Matt|> what does your isp say?
[11:05] <rapha> Depends.
[11:05] <synapse> usually 0,38
[11:05] <synapse> in the UK
[11:05] <Matt|> my number is 0,38
[11:05] <Matt|> yay
[11:05] <Telep> Has anyone got an idea where to find "Gnome2.pm" - when trying to install a perl script (evonotify) in Hoary I get this: "Can't locate Gnome2.pm in @INC " (etc...)
[11:05] <rapha> Hmm
[11:05] <rapha> UK.
[11:05] <synapse> lol
[11:05] <rapha> this is Germany here
[11:05] <GnuHippy> if I get my mail via a pop3 server through Evolution do I need to enable postfix?
[11:05] <synapse> no
[11:05] <Matt|> GnuHippy, nope
[11:05] <GnuHippy> ty
[11:05] <Matt|> rapha, your ISP should have given it to you
[11:05] <GnuHippy> whats portmap?
[11:05] <rapha> Oh I see
[11:06] <tseng> libgnome2-perl?
[11:06] <synapse> if not then u might as well call them NTL :P
[11:06] <rapha> Then I should browse my SPAM messages
[11:06] <nathanieldelaney> thanks for the advice guys
[11:06] <Matt|> lol
[11:06] <rapha> :-)
[11:06] <GnuHippy> do I need mailfetch?
[11:06] <Matt|> synapse, i am on pipex: they sent me a USB modem
[11:06] <Matt|> nuff said
[11:06] <synapse> Matt|: same here :O
[11:06] <Matt|> speedtouch?
[11:06] <synapse> nope
[11:06] <synapse> just the pipex part
[11:06] <synapse> i got a router
[11:06] <Matt|> ah kewl
[11:07] <will> i have some thompson thing here in sweden
[11:07] <synapse> so much easier than faffing with ppp and stuff
[11:07] <Telep> tseng: I'll try that, it's just odd that it's not mentioned as a dependency.
[11:07] <Matt|> synapse, i spent 2 weeks on it
[11:07] <Matt|> pppoA
[11:07] <Matt|> :(
[11:07] <synapse> :/
[11:07] <Matt|> but i bought a router now
[11:07] <Matt|> much better
[11:07] <Telep> tseng: that did it, thx
[11:07] <synapse> i can do it.... just is a bit shitty :P
[11:07] <synapse> <3 pipex tbh
[11:07] <synapse> :P
[11:07] <Matt|> will, thomson make the speedtouch they sent me: might be the same one
[11:08] <Matt|> is <3 good or bad?
[11:08] <will> its got three lights on the front(when its working!!!)
[11:08] <burnboy> can someone tell me. why GNOME might be hanging when it boots up from GDM. after a fresh boot
[11:08] <synapse> good
[11:08] <burnboy> fress *install
[11:08] <Matt|> burnboy, hmm
[11:08] <synapse> means love <3 = love
[11:08] <Matt|> oh
[11:08] <Matt|> synapse, yeah i think they are good
[11:08] <synapse> like a lil sideways heart
[11:08] <will> burnboy: is your graphics card recently new?
[11:09] <burnboy> nah, see i was using Gnome fine before..it's an ati radeon 9000
[11:09] <Matt|> burnboy, hmm
[11:09] <Matt|> burnboy, X is working ok?
[11:09] <burnboy> one thing new is..i have a wacom? and a printer plugged in
[11:09] <burnboy> yeah..well..i was using KDE before..and then re-installed just now and i can't get into gnome
[11:09] <Matt|> might be the printer i guess
[11:09] <Matt|> maybe gnome starts some printer services or something
[11:10] <will> burnboy: did you install over or clean?
[11:10] <burnboy> hrm..also..the 'question.wav' that plays in GDM just gets stuck and loops
[11:10] <burnboy> formatted, clean install
[11:10] <GnuHippy> I <3 hoary
[11:10] <burnboy> i have an audigy2
[11:10] <burnboy> sorry to ask so many questions but they are th eonly ones i have and i just wanted to see if they were common problems, really
[11:11] <mauri> is dis-upgrade supported by ubantu?
[11:11] <GnuHippy> yes
[11:11] <GnuHippy> mauri
[11:11] <will> burnboy: thats a strange one, i suppose you need to look at some kind of log file
[11:11] <burnboy> yeah...well i'm gonna log out of this and see if unplugging the crap helps
[11:12] <will> good idea!
[11:12] <GnuHippy> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   mauri
[11:17] <borgmeister> hey
[11:17] <Matt|> lo
[11:17] <will> does anyone know what to do if you have 'unresovable dependencies'? in Synaptic
[11:17] <borgmeister> hmm
[11:17] <Matt|> uhoh
[11:18] <borgmeister> in yoper, apt-get update seemed to work
[11:18] <Matt|> borgmeister, what is yoper like?
[11:18] <will> Matt|:thought you would say that
[11:18] <borgmeister> hmm
[11:18] <borgmeister> well, its a nice distro
[11:18] <borgmeister> but very immature
[11:18] <synapse> borgmeister: I wonder why.........could it be because yoper is basically debian based
[11:18] <synapse> :P
[11:18] <borgmeister> apart from the fact its LFS
[11:18] <borgmeister> and it uses RPM
[11:19] <borgmeister> one can draw many parrallels
[11:19] <Matt|> borgmeister, i went into #yoper the other day. but there was no one in there.
[11:19] <synapse> yeah,mind you they develop tools like apt for all systems now
[11:19] <borgmeister> i dont know why
[11:19] <borgmeister> we were having problems with our server
[11:19] <borgmeister> and the community is young
[11:20] <mauri> has anyone istalled debian and or the debian-ppc?  What are the speed diffs with the debian version?
[11:20] <will> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:20] <will>   mplayer-586: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.3.0) but 1.2.3-1 is to be installed
[11:20] <will>                Depends: libggi2 (>= 1:2.0.5) but 1:2.0.4-3 is to be installed
[11:20] <will>                Depends: libungif4g (>= 4.1.3) but 4.1.0b1-6 is to be installed
[11:20] <will> E: Broken packages
[11:20] <Matt|> borgmeister, there are 9 people in there now
[11:20] <borgmeister> but i am not here to talk about yoper, i use ubuntu on my laptop, and yoper on my desktop
[11:20] <will> thats the error i get
[11:20] <Looser> Hey fast and easy question what is the command to installing .deb files
[11:20] <Matt|> will, what repositories have you got?
[11:20] <Matt|> Looser, dpkg -i
[11:20] <Looser> thanks
[11:20] <borgmeister> ubuntu is a excellent distro, and i was especially impressed with the hardware detection
[11:21] <synapse> very true
[11:21] <mauri> I read that ubuntu is optimized but I'd like to hear some anecdotal evidence
[11:21] <synapse> i think that this distro will go far
[11:21] <Matt|> mauri, yeah is quite fast
[11:21] <will> Matt|: all of them, and i have manually uninstalled and reinstalled all of the above LIB's
[11:21] <borgmeister> ubuntu feels faster than yoper on my laptop
[11:21] <Matt|> will, hoary?
[11:21] <borgmeister> probably because is doesnt use KDE bloatware
[11:22] <mauri> good I ordered some CDs
[11:22] <borgmeister> hehe
[11:22] <borgmeister> so did i
[11:22] <borgmeister> cant argue with free
[11:22] <will> yea
[11:22] <borgmeister> maybe i can convert some of my friends
[11:22] <will> matt|yes
[11:22] <Matt|> borgmeister, in my experience gnome is not faster than kde
[11:22] <mauri> I'm surprised KDE in my exp sometimes is just as fast gnome
[11:22] <Matt|> will, must be a bug
[11:23] <mauri> sometimes faster than gnome of gnome isn't done well
[11:23] <JStrike> I have to agree with borgmeister. Ubuntu is truly excellent. Except for the piece of crap that is synaptic
[11:23] <Matt|> mauri, i agree
[11:23] <borgmeister> i guess its a matter of opinion, but i find that the way ubuntu uses gnome is very effective
[11:23] <borgmeister> yoper only has redimentary gnome supprt
[11:23] <will> Matt| i have installed this package before thats the strange thing!
[11:23] <Matt|> JStrike, hey, synaptic is much better than the fedora and mandrake package managers
[11:23] <mauri> exactly the key is how it is implemented
[11:23] <Matt|> will, sorry have no idea!
[11:23] <borgmeister> although, if you really want fast, fluxbox>all
[11:24] <Matt|> borgmeister, i am an icewm fan myself
[11:24] <borgmeister> btw, i am having a problem with sound in ubunti
[11:24] <borgmeister> i was wondering if you could help?
[11:24] <mauri> fluxbox, no thanks. The leanest I'm willing ot try is xfce
[11:24] <borgmeister> gnome is more useful hehe
[11:24] <borgmeister> but flux is cute
[11:25] <will> im running on a celeron 500 and gnome is quick!
[11:25] <JStrike> Matt| : But not better than red-carpet/rug. Which also has issues, but is nevertheless much better
[11:25] <borgmeister> my mate built his girlfriend a distro with flux, jsut amsn and firefox and open office
[11:25] <will> icewm kicks asssss
[11:25] <borgmeister> she hates comps
[11:25] <linux_mafia> mauri, ubuntu is not optimised, only two packages are, the kernel, and libc6-i686
[11:25] <borgmeister> so he made it real simoe
[11:25] <borgmeister> simple*
[11:25] <mauri> has anyone had acerleration prbs with rage 128?
[11:25] <Hikaru79> Jstrike, why do you dislike Synaptic?
[11:26] <Matt|> JStrike, what is red-carpet/rug
[11:26] <shaver> I miss rug =/
[11:26] <borgmeister> i cant seem to get sound in any of the games i have apt-get installed
[11:26] <JStrike> Hikaru79 : Unless there is a way to do it that I haven't seen, you cant install packages with it that aren't in a repo
[11:26] <borgmeister> tuc racer, chromium, pingus etc
[11:26] <JStrike> Matt| : rug is the backend for red-carpet
[11:27] <Matt|> JStrike, and red-carpet?
[11:27] <shaver> rug is a command-line client for the red carpet daemon
[11:27] <borgmeister> however, mp3's and avi's play fine
[11:27] <shaver> it's a sibling to red-carpet
[11:27] <shaver> which is a graphical client for the red-carpet daemon
[11:27] <shaver> rcd itself is a package management tool from ximianovell
[11:27] <mauri> why not?  All yo'd have to do is add repositories in the sources.list.  I assume there is a sources.list
[11:27] <stuNNed_> last i used red-carpet, it was nice
[11:27] <Matt|> oh i c
[11:28] <Matt|> borgmeister, sorry have no idea
[11:28] <JStrike> Matt| : It is the frontend Ximian created. Are you new to linux?
[11:28] <borgmeister> ok, not a problem
[11:28] <JStrike> mauri : What if the package isn't in a repo?
[11:28] <borgmeister> im sure someone else has had the problem
[11:29] <JStrike> The absurd assumption by all everyone has an internet connection, let alone a fast one is crazy
[11:29] <mirak> is kde unsuported because it's crap ?
[11:30] <JStrike> s/by all/that
[11:30] <will> Jstrike: i have a fast one!
[11:30] <Pizbit> JStrike: Everyone has access to the cd though
[11:31] <JStrike> mirak : no. But it is unnecessary in the KISS philosophy of Ubuntu
[11:31] <mirak> JStrike: what is KISS ?
[11:31] <WW> mirak: Check out the Ubuntu FAQ, question #9
[11:31] <Pizbit> Keep It Simple Stupid
[11:31] <mirak> ok
[11:31] <mauri> kde isn't crap
[11:31] <Matt|> JStrike, moderately new
[11:32] <mirak> mauri: I use it most of the time, but actually I rediscover gnome
[11:32] <JStrike> Ximian (now Novell) are heavily responsible for gnome. Red-Carpet is their enterprise centric package installer/updater
[11:33] <mauri> Jstrike:you might get away with adding a debian repo, that's whatr I meant
[11:33] <JStrike> oops. That was meant for Matt|
[11:33] <Matt|> k
[11:33] <Matt|> I do not use Ximian although obviously I am aware of their existence
[11:33] <Matt|> i use evolution
[11:33] <JStrike> mauri : If I have a single package that is not in any repo, then that poses a problem
[11:33] <Matt|> i used red-carpet once to install evolution i seem to remember
[11:33] <mauri> well yes, then build
[11:33] <Matt|> it was weird tho
[11:34] <mirak> gnome seems more based on "pluggins", at least it appear like that
[11:34] <mauri> compile
[11:34] <JStrike> Matt| : Yep. Another one of their apps. :-)
[11:34] <Matt|> JStrike, if you have a single package which is not in any repo, then you will know how to install it individually
[11:34] <edwood> hi
[11:34] <will> does anyone use FVWM here?
[11:35] <brshelton> will, not for years and years
[11:35] <JStrike> Matt| : Not so.
[11:35] <Matt|> JStrike, well you shouldn't be downloading individual packages without knowing how to install em, i guess would be the ubuntu response to your complaint. Most packages are in the repo's
[11:36] <Pizbit> JStrike: 'sudo dpkg -i <file>' write it down, lots of people can tell you this and how to do other things
[11:36] <Matt|> yup: you can just come in here and ask: like that person a few minutes ago
[11:36] <JStrike> Pizbit : As far as I have seen, that doesn't download dependencies
[11:36] <janice> Hi All, I want to thank everyone that helped me last night. This resource is truly a great place.
[11:37] <Matt|> janice, yeah i think so too
[11:37] <Pizbit> JStrike: Most of those deps are availible in synaptic so are easily sorted.
[11:37] <JStrike> Which is what I was talkking about
[11:37] <JStrike> sigh
[11:37] <Pizbit> If they're not, then you're installing something really alien which you *should* know how to sort out.
[11:37] <rapha> Eh
[11:37] <rapha> The modem doesn't sync.
[11:37] <rapha> WHY doesn't the modem sync?
[11:38] <JStrike> Yes, But dpkg doesn't retrieve the packages. And synaptic doesn't allow you are install a package not in the repo
[11:38] <cenerentola> hi there
[11:38] <Pizbit> JStrike: So? You mix the two, big deal, most distros have this scenario
[11:38] <janice> I have a question about the Ubuntu "How to set up ndiswrapper" found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/view?searchterm=ndiswrapper
[11:39] <janice> In step #6 Edit /etc/network/interfaces, should the wireless entries be entere already or do I need to manually enter auto wlan0 etc.
[11:39] <JStrike> Pizbit : That is not only a crap solution, but very far from KISS. And Red-carpet is available on many other distro's solving this problem
[11:40] <cenerentola> ppl i've got a problem... ive just made an update && upgrade with synaptic... to another warty
[11:40] <cenerentola> and it all went black...
[11:40] <Matt|> lol
[11:40] <Matt|> janice, have a look and see!
[11:40] <cenerentola> the shell windows started to print things like "dpkg cannot be found..." or sth like that... and now when i log in... gnome doesn work...
[11:40] <cenerentola> matt: hi there
[11:40] <Matt|> ello
[11:41] <Pizbit> cenerentola: Er, did you mean yup upgraded to hoary?
[11:41] <Matt|> cenerentola, sounds like a bad problem
[11:42] <janice> Matt| Thank you for the reply. I have followed the steps but when I get to step #6 and view the etc/network/interfaces all there is, is only the first two lines, but not all the specific stuff.
[11:42] <Pizbit> JStrike: If you're really worried file a BR.
[11:42] <cenerentola> pizbit: no
[11:42] <cenerentola> just warty
[11:43] <nathanieldelaney> fstab is read only.  how do I edit it?
[11:43] <Matt|> janice, ok i guess you have to add it
[11:43] <janice> Matt|: What I mean by specific stuff are: address, netmask,broadcast, etc.
[11:43] <Matt|> nathanieldelaney, you need to be root
[11:43] <Matt|> so the command is "sudo nano -w /etc/fstab"
[11:44] <Matt|> janice, you are not using dhcp?
[11:45] <cenerentola> ok cmon matt u already have an ass to be pounded by you...
[11:45] <cenerentola> plz help me...
[11:45] <Matt|> cenerentola, i am not capable
[11:46] <nathanieldelaney> after I have edited fstab like that, how do I save the changes?  will closing the terminal lose my changes?
[11:46] <Matt|> error messages?
[11:46] <Matt|> nathanieldelaney, if you have used nano, to save and close you do CTRL + X and then answer yes when it asks you if you want to save it
[11:47] <Matt|> cenerentola, i don't understand the ass pounding bit ;)
[11:48] <ficusplanet> Hey, does anyone know if the "SVG-aware artwork" on the hoary goals list is just the Human icon theme or something more abitious?
[11:49] <janice> Matt|: Yes, I am using dhcp. Do you have a suggestion?
[11:50] <Matt|> janice, ok then you don't need all those details!
[11:50] <Matt|> janice, mine says:
[11:50] <janice> Matt|: Which detail do I need? ESSID? Anything else?
[11:50] <Matt|> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[11:50] <Matt|> name Wireless LAN card
[11:50] <Matt|> wireless_essid belkin54g
[11:50] <Matt|> auto wlan0
[11:51] <jdub> GOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS!
[11:51] <Matt|> hi jdub
[11:51] <ogra> hey jdub
[11:51] <ficusplanet> hey
[11:51] <janice> Matt|: Is that it?
[11:51] <choudesh> hello all.
[11:51] <choudesh> quick questions: for G++ and GCC; I grab the base-essential package?
[11:52] <jief> hi
[11:52] <janice> Matt|: Don't I need to specify the gateway?
[11:52] <WW> choudesh: The package is "build-essential"
[11:52] <ficusplanet> jdub, Do you know what the SVG artwork on the Hoary goals page is?  Is it just the human icon theme?  Will it be different than the current one?
[11:52] <choudesh> WW: no wonder if couldn't find it. ;-)
[11:52] <WW> :)
[11:53] <dmzen> hi
[11:53] <choudesh> WW: How is wireless w/ ndiswrapper in ubuntu?
[11:53] <Matt|> janice, no should be fine
[11:53] <WW> choudesh: You're asking the wrong person.  I am wirelessless.
[11:54] <Matt|> lol
[11:54] <Matt|> choudesh, janice will be able to tell you soon
[11:54] <WW> :)
[11:55] <dmzen> I have a question about spam filtering in evolution
[11:56] <rebirth> baack
[11:56] <WW> dmzen: Ask away.  There are almost 300 people here... hopefully _someone_ will be able to help you.
[11:57] <janice> choudesh: I can tell you pretty soon. So far, I have ndiswrapper installed. I successfully got ndiswrapper to recognize that the wireless device is there. I am now trying to get the OS to interface with wireless card and give internet access. I started this at about 12:00 am last night. I worked for an hour on it last night, 15 minutes this morning. And now I resume.
[11:57] <dmzen> In evolution 2.0.2 it's not working.
[11:58] <dmzen> I tried installing spamassassin from synaptic
[11:58] <mdz> cenerentola: what was the exact error message that you saw from dpkg during the upgrade?
[11:58] <dmzen>  with evolution 1.8 I installed spamassassin and it worked flawlessly
[11:59] <MFen> i accidentally mixed a bunch of 'unstable' pacakges in with my ubuntu
[11:59] <MFen> now i can't install python-dev from the ubuntu archives