[12:00] Mitario: Rocking [12:01] So much rock [12:01] jdub: Both gotom and I have newer glibc snapshots, you could probably use one of those. [12:01] upgrade-notifier just runs in the background and pops up an icon? [12:01] mdz: could you please have a look? https://chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com/~pitti/usn-shadow.txt TIA! [12:01] mdz: why crack? exposure to bugs with limited testing scale? [12:01] Jesus. [12:01] jbailey: mmm, that's what benh suggested. [12:02] Mitario: dude, this is totally sweet [12:02] The Debian patches bring in vast steaming piles of crack. And it's mostly Sven Luther's fault. [12:02] jbailey: you guys are only stuck due to platform support, right? [12:02] jdub: glibc is a nontrivial essential package where we don't have a lot of expertise on the team [12:02] jdub: Stuck? [12:02] jdub: No, waiting for sarge to release. [12:02] Sweet, sweet crack [12:02] jbailey: ahr. usual answer. [12:02] jbailey: oh, you too ? :) [12:02] jdub: We froze glibc 14 months ago. [12:03] fabbione: still here? [12:03] I need a fuckoff-big SMP machine to do these builds [12:04] pitti: i suspect the X team are currently too drunk to type straight [12:04] Bloody X team [12:04] thom: it's a bit urgent, but I wait until tomorrow [12:05] mjg59: kernel? I built inotify support on my x40. no fun *at* all [12:05] thom: hmm, the firefox open-in-new-tab magic doesn't seem to be working. was that an ubuntu patch? [12:06] thom: Aw, shit. Forgot to add the inotify patch. [12:06] Ah well, that's not what I'm testing :) [12:06] mdz: no, that was a debian one [12:06] pitti: the text looks fine; I assume that you examined the code for the facts of the exposure, I cannot verify that part [12:07] mdz: you get new windows all the time now? [12:07] mdz: okay, then away with it. Thanks for proofreading [12:08] phew, that was a large wiki update === aes [~andrew@proxy.emma.cam.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:09] thom: Thankfully I'm building this on a 2.4GHz P4, not my laptop... [12:09] thom: I get stuff opened in the current tab, rather than a new one [12:09] thom: the option was removed from the config file, too [12:11] mdz: suck :( can you file a bug, i'm just about to pass out [12:11] thom: sure [12:11] night [12:11] mjg59: yeah, that'll not be quite so painfull [12:11] Oh christ [12:11] The C3 has started a GL screensaver [12:11] (well, when this firefox build finishes) [12:11] Running on the vesa X server [12:11] rofl [12:11] GAR [12:11] - Removed FIREFOX_OPEN_IN stuff, so that firefox now obeys to "open [12:11] links from other applications in" setting. (Closes: #279073) (MH) [12:12] pitti! [12:12] you TRAMP [12:12] thom: looks like there is a setting somewhere which supersedes it [12:12] elmo: ? [12:12] pitti: I just did 44 upgrades of perl and NOW you release a USN for shadow?! [12:12] elmo: it's no biggie [12:12] HATE YOU ALL [12:12] elmo: don't shoot the messenger... :-) [12:13] mdz: preferences/advanced/tabbed browsing [12:13] just found it [12:13] elmo: I waited so long because joey wanted to keep this undisclosed [12:13] thom: you say that as if the drop-down menus work :-) I just upgraded firefox while it was running [12:13] Oh ARSE [12:13] elmo: but it just appeared on full-disclosure [12:13] Out of disk [12:14] mdz: meh, i do hope they fix that [12:14] otherwise i shall be asking mark for the funding for a small nuclear device [12:14] thom: ooh, good new stuff there [12:14] thom: ... but they already use the POWER of xml and javascript. what more can they do? [12:14] and an f16 [12:14] force new window -> new tab [12:14] things I missed from the tab extension [12:15] pitti: yeah, just ignorre me, I'm just ranting at the unfortunate timing [12:15] yeah, just a shame they went for the dumb default for the open in thing [12:15] elmo: perfectly understandable [12:15] elmo: however, it really doesn't matter for our servers, if you mean that [12:15] elmo: it's just a flaw with expired accounts, and not even a big one [12:16] pitti: I know, but my scripts whine at me mercilessly if I leave security stuff unpatched [12:16] hrm, upgrade-notifier appears to have kamikazed out of my notification tray [12:17] thom: ephy+firefox == fasssssst [12:17] jdub: i bet [12:17] thom, uhmm? :) [12:17] no, i'm being stupid [12:17] ignore me [12:18] jdub: that's because of the missing typeahead :p [12:18] haha === thom giggles at seb [12:18] ARGGGGH [12:18] why won't firefox break here [12:18] this bug is for you thom [12:18] I'm rebuilding a firefox package here :) [12:19] there is no evidence in the upstream bugzilla that the typeahead support is broken in firefox [12:19] I want to test it :) [12:19] it breaks on the buildds. it breaks for Mithrandir. why will it not break here [12:19] seb128: be my guest [12:21] seb128: you'll note, however, that gentoo, redhat, debian, and us all turn typeaheadfind off [12:22] seb128: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=260948 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64196 [12:22] seb128: want an account on ravel to debug? [12:22] debug what ? [12:22] uhm [12:22] s/seb/thom/ [12:22] Mithrandir: i think i have one, actually [12:23] remind me of the host name? [12:23] ravel.hpc2n.umu.se [12:23] nope, you don't have any account. [12:23] elmo: maybe wait until tomorrow, there is a whole bunch of new flaws that I have to fix [12:23] pitti: your advisory said that only login was affected, but chfn and chsh are in passwd [12:23] ok, yes please [12:23] if you want one, drop me a signed mail with user name and ssh key. [12:23] mdz: argh [12:24] the title was correct, but the package don't [12:24] jdub: please moderate thom@canonical.com through to hoary changes [12:24] pitti: DUDE. I just finished shadow. [12:24] mdz: sorry for that. 17-2? [12:24] jdub: you restored to moderating hoary changes? [12:24] pitti: nah [12:25] thom: ok ok, sorry for the noise :) [12:25] mdz: I can at least correct the web site [12:26] seb128: :-) [12:26] seb128: bug marco :-) [12:27] elmo: it was never moderated, and don't think it's on now. [12:27] something else is going on. [12:27] jdub: hoary-changes-bou ( 0) Your message to hoary-changes awaits moderator approval [12:27] * a few [12:27] hrm, no message here... [12:29] ah, because i am not admin of that list :) [12:30] I'm off back to the hotel, night all [12:30] Night elmo! [12:34] thom: wouldn't adding pref("accessibility.typeaheadfind", false) to firefox' default prefs be enough ? === aes [~andrew@proxy.emma.cam.ac.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:35] thom: do you know where I should make the change ? [12:36] it's already off [12:36] nevermind [12:38] seb128: i'll try it again in the morning, but i seriously don't think it's doable [12:38] but how the typeahead works in firefox for the moment ? [12:39] it uses find as you type (FAYT) which is built in [12:40] ok [12:45] thom: [12:45] ok, I see what the problem is. there's extensions/typeaheadfind, and toolkit/components/typeaheadfind [12:45] they both register the typeaheadfind contract-id [12:47] http://jimmac.musichall.cz/ikony/i42/evolution-icon.png [12:47] woo :) === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] jdub: caillion has gtk stock icon stuff happening for firefo [12:50] x [12:50] bonus! [12:50] seb128: does he know how to fix it? :-) [12:50] that's rad [12:50] thom: probably, waiting for a reply from him :) [12:51] jdub: http://christopher.aillon.org/blog/dev/mozilla/20041104-stock-icons.html [12:51] it may be as simple as changing the contract ids... [12:51] (they SHOULD have changed them, since the 2 .idl are incompatible! ) [12:51] * chpe tries that === mjg59 tries this again on the partition with more than 400MB free [12:52] if i can nail down this amd64 ftbfs, i might see if i can land it [12:52] thom: ... marco helping out with firefox. *cry* [12:52] Jesus. There's huge amounts of shit in the kernel that hasn't been updated in years [12:53] jdub: yep [12:54] jdub: gnome + moz integration *is* his bag, baby. so it's not too surprising [12:54] umm, cool we have an ubuntu installer? [12:57] Mitario: hm? === Mitario reads hoary-changes katie@blablabla mail for util-linux [12:57] umm, ubuntu-meta [12:58] oh, right [01:04] night, guys! [01:04] g'night [01:05] Argh. [01:05] Now it's decided to rebuild everything. === mjg59 decides not to try to understand the kernel build system [01:06] Ironically, the C3 craptop doesn't support the ACPI C3 power state [01:07] Hmm. Nor does it have a sleep button. [01:08] yaay, upgrade-notifier has a context menu again [01:09] Mitario: If I run upgrade-notifier, should I see anything unless there are updates available? [01:10] nope [01:10] only if there are updates [01:11] mjg59: it's a NOTIFICATION icon. :-) [01:13] Mitario: is there a cron job or something that would notify the app? [01:13] thom, there is a cronjob file in the package, it's only disabled for now because it's probably going to be moved to the apt package [01:14] upgrade-notifier is notified via dbus when the cronjob has run [01:15] yeah [01:15] just grabbed the source package :-) [01:15] :) === KeyserSoze [unbound@pound.ifndef.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KeyserSoze [unbound@pound.ifndef.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KeyserSoze [unbound@pound.ifndef.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] Mitario/mvo: if synaptic could go away again when it finishes the upgrade, that'd be cool too [01:18] when synaptic and update-manager is finished, it will all be integrated in a nice triangle :) [01:18] thom, already happens :) [01:18] afaik [01:18] thom: you should be set up now; ravel.hpc2n.umu.se; prod maswan or me if you need anything in any chroot. [01:18] Mitario: didn't just now [01:18] hmm, weird [01:18] maswan: I gave thom an account on ravel [01:19] jdub: That's what I thought, but I wanted to be sure :) === Mitario checks === mjg59 fixes up more Warty patches to apply against bleeding-edge kernels [01:19] Mithrandir: thanks duder. moz-firefox build deps would be nice if they aren't already there:-) [01:19] thom, ah, synaptic is called without --non-interactive, thats why [01:19] will be fixed soon :) [01:20] Mithrandir: oh, and can you add me to the hoary chroot? [01:20] Shame I absent-mindedly fucked up my source tree, but, hrmph. [01:20] mjg59: heh [01:20] Mitario: cool [01:21] thom: done. [01:21] thom: they're in the hoary chroot [01:21] With luck, I can get that back... [01:22] Mithrandir: merci bien [01:24] xscreensaver really should have an option not to run GL screensavers without hardware GL [01:25] Haha [01:25] keybuk's favourite libvte bug is still there [01:40] waaagh, i are thoroughly bored of watching firefox compile [01:41] how long does it take on your amd64 beast? [01:41] fookin' hours [01:41] actually, i'm lying, it's about 40 minutes, and about the same to construct the diff :/ [01:42] I have a kernel [01:42] Now I just need to wait for it to turn into a deb... [01:42] thom: want ccache? [01:42] Urgh. [01:43] Why does xscreensaver seem to choose an openGL screensaver every single time? === mjg59 watches another <1FPS screensaver crawl past [01:43] Mithrandir: if there's space, definitely [01:43] mjg59: our screensaver selection is almost exclusively GL ;) [01:43] jdub: I wish to introduce you to a world of pain [01:44] thom: installed [01:44] mjg59: i raised this point myself... [01:44] Oh lord why does the kernel build system want to build the docs before giving me the kernel deb? [01:44] mjg59: it's evil, of course. [01:50] i'm off to bed [01:50] cya guys [01:51] mjg59: make-kpkg kernel-image [01:52] mdz: Nah, I want a full set of kernels [01:52] mjg59: oh, you're building the entire linux-source package? [01:53] Yeah [01:57] bah, thanks for crashing, firefox [01:58] ARGH. [01:59] pivot_root: No such file or directory === mjg59 wonders what causes that [02:00] hrm, why is dpkg saying a hal event file has changed? === moyogo [~moyogo@67.71.77.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:05] Ah. My kernel has built without including the vast majority of the modules. [02:06] oops [02:06] No, it's built the modules. They just haven't ended up in the package. [02:07] oh good. firefox segfaults on ravel, this makes life easier === thom really goes to bed [02:07] Oh. That would be because I've FUCKED IT UP. [02:07] night thom :) === thom giggles at mjg59 === jamesh_ [~james@203-59-50-191.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjg59 blows away the build tree and prepares to start over [02:09] mjg59: ccache-able, I hope [02:09] but why does it not segfault when you run the same command manually [02:10] mdz: A-ha ha ha. === moyogo [~moyogo@67.71.77.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:11] thom: DH_COMPAT? [02:11] thom: fakeroot? === mojo__ [~mojo@220-244-212-78-vic.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:12] hi all ppl [02:13] oh, awesome, firefox's ugly default web browser interface has been replaced with a much simpler and smaller one: http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/firefox.png [02:13] Why we still using old version 2.0.1 of libgnomecanvas and libgnomeuimm whilst 2.6 is out [02:13] bob2: heh [02:13] bob2: I dun find the default firefox GUI ugly at all [02:14] mojo__: the new one is much cleaner [02:14] bob2: got extensions installed? [02:14] thom: no [02:14] I want a webbrowser like that [02:14] mojo__: no extraneous buttons, text boxes, scrollbars or webpages [02:14] a language pack for your crazy not-quite-english? [02:14] bob2: lol [02:14] nope [02:14] bob2: yes, it's better [02:15] another weird thing is that for the past two weeks, I've always had a text cursor in the pages [02:15] killall firefox-bin and try again [02:15] bob2: sounds like a DTD/translation issue [02:15] ie a little I-bar you can move around with the cursor keys, letter by letter [02:16] mdz: debian/compat is 4; running under fakeroot but don't the buildds use sudo? [02:16] some do, some don't [02:16] bob2: I find that gnome-applet now contains trashapplet so y there is still trashapplet app seperate in our respo.? [02:16] thom: they all use fakeroot, at least in Ubuntu [02:16] oh, right [02:17] mojo__: hm, waiting to be removed maybe? [02:17] ber, but i built it locally with fakeroot [02:17] package removal requires elmo-intervention, aiui [02:17] bob2: ok then, [02:18] thom: ah, started ok this time [02:18] but now fonts look blurry-as [02:18] did we sync the fucked fontconfig from sid? [02:18] bob2: you upgraded underneath the poor thing, didn't you? [02:18] bob2: it's also good time for us to move to gcc3.4, all libgnome to newer version, I hate keeping all old shit here in my super small sized HDD box [02:18] thom: um, er, ah [02:18] new 2.9.1 just out [02:19] mojo__: um, you realise warty won't change? [02:19] mojo__: hoary has gnome 2.9.1 [02:20] thom: i know, but just some program up to 2.9.1, the libgnome is still 2.8.1 [02:20] thom: click on About GNOME [02:21] should we get rid of esd and bring jack or polyaudio in? [02:23] mojo__: please read http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/hoary_kickoff-20041025-summary.html [02:23] hrm, upgrade-notifier is multiplying [02:23] i now have 7 of them [02:24] erm, bizarre, I still have a cursor in the webpage instead of up/down moving line-by-line [02:26] hmmm, www links are opened in an existing window of firefox 0.99, how do i get back to a new-window mode? [02:26] thom: same is happening to me with sesssion dbus daemons :| [02:27] moyogo: editing some xml file in the firefox, search for a article in wiki of Ubuntu [02:27] mojo__: preferences/advanced/tabbed browsing [02:28] uh, moyogo, even [02:28] it's an option [02:28] thom: hehe, u know a better way, I still play around with xml file [02:28] oh, sorry, i meant from other apps, like xchat, gaim, etc... [02:29] an ode to gnome-terminal [02:29] gnome-terminal, why are you so slow? [02:29] ARGH [02:29] moyogo: yes. [02:29] EOF [02:29] moyogo: you need to change the pref in firefox [02:29] then it does the right thing [02:29] mdz: heh [02:29] thom: thanks [02:29] why oh WHY does the wiki say "Howto's" [02:30] What does the howto own? [02:30] thom: it's a wiki, fix it :-P [02:30] quote: Mark Shuttleworth stated that, "GUI installer is on the hoary list, but it has a question mark on it and I won't commit to having a GUI installer for hoary as it will back us into a corner." That said, it something that people will start working on. [02:30] i am with extreme prejudice [02:31] so what is our GUI installer? Annaconda, SuSE Yast or Mandrake Installer??? [02:31] No [02:32] It'll be d-i, but graphical [02:32] really? cool [02:32] I suppose it would be in poor taste to upload binaries built on Ubuntu to Debian... [02:32] damn Debian and its binary uploads [02:32] mdz: same opinion here [02:32] mdz: we shouldn't merge, [02:33] mojo__: hmm? [02:34] thom: Apostrophes can be used to pluralise, eg. CD's and 1980's. I imagine the author chose to pluralise because "Howtos" is misparsed, and if you're going with "HOWTOs" then you're accepting that it's an abbreviation and an apostrophe is therefore okay. [02:34] mdz: I got this msg: thom: Apostrophes can be used to pluralise, eg. CD's and 1980's. I imagine the author chose to pluralise because "Howtos" is misparsed, and if you're going with "HOWTOs" then you're accepting that it's an abbreviation and an apostrophe is therefore okay. [02:34] Kosai: that is incorrect. [02:34] sorry [02:35] jdub: Which part? [02:35] Kosai: apostrophes for pluralization [02:35] mdz: I got this msg: glade-2: error while loading shared libraries: libgnomedb-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [02:35] Kosai: http://www.angryflower.com/aposter.html [02:35] It's clearly not "incorrect", since you'll find it in style guides, and it's the "CDs" from that's traditionally considered incorrect. You can say that you disagree with it, which is not the same thing. [02:35] mdz: when installing it, it doesn't take libgnomedb as its dep, it'd be a problem with the maintainer [02:35] s/from/form/ [02:36] Kosai: my english teacher would've hung drawn and quartered me if i tried to use an apostrophe for pluralisation [02:36] mojo__: possibly [02:36] thom: i would've been extradited to the US. [02:36] thom: *shrug* I'm a "CDs" person. I just wouldn't expect a non-geek to be, and wouldn't profess it as Plain Wrong. [02:36] thom: by the *education* department. [02:37] mdz: darn, I got libgnomedb installed and new it still complains, defintely a bug! [02:37] thom: For further insight, consider the phrase "Mind your p's and q's." [02:37] Kosai: i don't even use apostrophes when i *say* it. [02:37] jdub: You say "Mind your ps"? [02:37] 'cause that could scare a lot of Unix geeks :) [02:39] one could say "Mind your pees and queues" [02:39] One could, but I think one would be further elucidating my point. [02:40] ppl, can u ppl check for me, whenever u copy a text from different programs and paste it here, it just takes all msg that other chatter just type in and paste it out, it happens here with me, can u guys recheck, thx? [02:41] mojo__: that would depend on the IRC cilent, but, no, it doesn't happen with irssi + xterm [02:41] mojo__: Primary vs. selection clipboards? [02:41] bob2: I'm using XChat [02:41] Kosai: if u use X-Chat, plese check for me. thx in advance [02:41] If you're doing an Edit->Copy, you need to be pasting with an Edit->Paste rather than a middle-click. [02:41] I don't use xchat. [02:42] xchat's ctrl+v pastes whatever text is selected [02:42] darn, this bug happens not only with XChat but also with FireFox, I just pasted some error text from my GNOME terminal, and it just paste all words u guys just talked [02:43] werid, it'd be XChat save text in buffer clipboard [02:43] mojo__: This is fundamental enough that I suggest it's not a bug, but your understanding of how X11 selections work. [02:43] Kosai: can u explain? [02:44] mako: around? [02:45] mojo__: There are two clipboards. One is copied to and pasted from via Edit->{Copy,Paste} menu commands, one is copied to and pasted from by selecting text to copy and middle-clicking to paste. [02:45] If you're mixing those two models, you will not be pasting what you think you copied. [02:45] Kosai: oh i c [02:45] Kosai: oh ic [02:45] (This isn't at all on topic for #ubuntu-devel, by the way.) [02:46] Kosai: devel need to learn and updates everyday, don't we? [02:47] mako: please fact-check https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/shipit and update as appropriate so that it answers the new "when are my CDs coming?" FAQ [02:49] mdz: I hope the CD Cover is pretty [02:50] mojo__: they are === mjg59 builds a working kernel [03:14] Well, except that it hasn't loaded the input drivers. Ho-hum. [03:16] Hang on. They're supposed to be static. [03:16] Hrm. [03:51] mdz: thanks! :) [03:51] mako: I removed the bit which said we would ship them sometime after warty released :-) [03:52] tomorrow i am mailing everyone who requested a cd and wasn't sent one and will update shipit as well === doko [doko@dsl-082-082-065-071.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:17] does firefox 0.99 break sound with flash? [05:17] i can't hear a thing but i'm not sure what's the cause === x4m [~max@106.227-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:42] mdz: germinate ensures that build-deps are satisfied within the component (tree). pb was that sbuild used diff logic to pick the build-depends... === lamont works on bootstrapping sbcl === pampa [~santiago@c68.112.163.226.dul.mn.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont bets no elmo. [06:28] hrm.. arts needs help from someone who cares about universe and kde [06:36] lamont: that' [06:36] lamont: that'd be... not any of us! :) [06:37] jdub: yeah - that's why I just told the -devel community to care. :-) [06:37] heh [06:37] yyyaaay! [06:38] sbcl about to be bootstrapped on ppc. [06:38] i386 is a bit behind, because it's bootstrapping more packages in the bundel === lamont wanders off for a little bit [06:49] zsh: segmentation fault cvs up -jupstream_version_2_4_{0,1} -d [06:49] GREAT [06:59] mdz: :-( [07:08] mdz: sbcl bootstrapped on ppc, will bootstrap i386 the rest of the way in the morning, need to run to denver tomorrow, which'll nuke a fair part of my day... [07:09] lamont: what's in denver? [07:09] (i386 may also get ghc5 and cmucl and maybe even smlnj) [07:09] wife's dragging me down for a hotel meeting tomorrow lunch [07:09] so 1 hour meeting, 90 min each way travel :( [07:10] then saturday I head to the bay area, where I'll be working for a couple of weeks with the conf in the middle, as discussed. [07:10] mako around? [07:12] lamont: yesah [07:12] mdz: so tomorrow will be a bit of a strange(r?) schedule for me, but should be productive... === lamont sleeps === doko [doko@dsl-082-082-070-249.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === netfighter [~netfighte@netfighter.student.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === netfighter [~netfighte@netfighter.student.supporter.pdpc] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [08:11] morning guys [08:12] morning [08:12] hey mdz [08:12] i feel all strange [08:12] it was ages i couldn't sleep this long [08:19] fabbione: did you sleep well? [08:19] yeps [08:19] finally [08:19] a weight was lifted :-) [08:19] yeah well [08:19] now it needs to hit the archive [08:19] that is going to be hard [08:20] the other things in the TODO list are long and borig [08:20] boring [08:26]