[12:00] <mjg59> Mitario: Rocking
[12:01] <mjg59> So much rock
[12:01] <jbailey> jdub: Both gotom and I have newer glibc snapshots, you could probably use one of those.
[12:01] <mjg59> upgrade-notifier just runs in the background and pops up an icon?
[12:01] <pitti> mdz: could you please have a look? https://chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com/~pitti/usn-shadow.txt  TIA!
[12:01] <jdub> mdz: why crack? exposure to bugs with limited testing scale?
[12:01] <mjg59> Jesus.
[12:01] <jdub> jbailey: mmm, that's what benh suggested.
[12:02] <thom> Mitario: dude, this is totally sweet
[12:02] <mjg59> The Debian patches bring in vast steaming piles of crack. And it's mostly Sven Luther's fault.
[12:02] <jdub> jbailey: you guys are only stuck due to platform support, right?
[12:02] <mdz> jdub: glibc is a nontrivial essential package where we don't have a lot of expertise on the team
[12:02] <jbailey> jdub: Stuck?
[12:02] <jbailey> jdub: No, waiting for sarge to release.
[12:02] <mjg59> Sweet, sweet crack
[12:02] <jdub> jbailey: ahr. usual answer.
[12:02] <seb128> jbailey: oh, you too ? :)
[12:02] <jbailey> jdub: We froze glibc 14 months ago.
[12:03] <pitti> fabbione: still here?
[12:03] <mjg59> I need a fuckoff-big SMP machine to do these builds
[12:04] <thom> pitti: i suspect the X team are currently too drunk to type straight
[12:04] <mjg59> Bloody X team
[12:04] <pitti> thom: it's a bit urgent, but I wait until tomorrow
[12:05] <thom> mjg59: kernel? I built inotify support on my x40. no fun *at* all
[12:05] <mdz> thom: hmm, the firefox open-in-new-tab magic doesn't seem to be working. was that an ubuntu patch?
[12:06] <mjg59> thom: Aw, shit. Forgot to add the inotify patch.
[12:06] <mjg59> Ah well, that's not what I'm testing :)
[12:06] <thom> mdz: no, that was a debian one
[12:06] <mdz> pitti: the text looks fine; I assume that you examined the code for the facts of the exposure, I cannot verify that part
[12:07] <thom> mdz: you get new windows all the time now?
[12:07] <pitti> mdz: okay, then away with it. Thanks for proofreading
[12:08] <Mitario> phew, that was a large wiki update
[12:09] <mjg59> thom: Thankfully I'm building this on a 2.4GHz P4, not my laptop...
[12:09] <mdz> thom: I get stuff opened in the current tab, rather than a new one
[12:09] <mdz> thom: the option was removed from the config file, too
[12:11] <thom> mdz: suck :( can you file a bug, i'm just about to pass out
[12:11] <mdz> thom: sure
[12:11] <mdz> night
[12:11] <thom> mjg59: yeah, that'll not be quite so painfull
[12:11] <mjg59> Oh christ
[12:11] <mjg59> The C3 has started a GL screensaver
[12:11] <thom> (well, when this firefox build finishes)
[12:11] <mjg59> Running on the vesa X server
[12:11] <thom> rofl
[12:11] <elmo> GAR
[12:11] <mdz>     - Removed FIREFOX_OPEN_IN stuff, so that firefox now obeys to "open
[12:11] <mdz>       links from other applications in" setting. (Closes: #279073) (MH)
[12:12] <elmo> pitti!
[12:12] <elmo> you TRAMP
[12:12] <mdz> thom: looks like there is a setting somewhere which supersedes it
[12:12] <pitti> elmo: ?
[12:12] <elmo> pitti: I just did 44 upgrades of perl and NOW you release a USN for shadow?!
[12:12] <mdz> elmo: it's no biggie
[12:12] <elmo> HATE YOU ALL
[12:12] <pitti> elmo: don't shoot the messenger... :-)
[12:13] <thom> mdz: preferences/advanced/tabbed browsing
[12:13] <thom> just found it
[12:13] <pitti> elmo: I waited so long because joey wanted to keep this undisclosed
[12:13] <mdz> thom: you say that as if the drop-down menus work :-)  I just upgraded firefox while it was running
[12:13] <mjg59> Oh ARSE
[12:13] <pitti> elmo: but it just appeared on full-disclosure
[12:13] <mjg59> Out of disk
[12:14] <thom> mdz: meh, i do hope they fix that
[12:14] <thom> otherwise i shall be asking mark for the funding for a small nuclear device
[12:14] <mdz> thom: ooh, good new stuff there
[12:14] <jdub> thom: ... but they already use the POWER of xml and javascript. what more can they do?
[12:14] <thom> and an f16
[12:14] <mdz> force new window -> new tab
[12:14] <mdz> things I missed from the tab extension
[12:15] <elmo> pitti: yeah, just ignorre me, I'm just ranting at the unfortunate timing
[12:15] <thom> yeah, just a shame they went for the dumb default for the open in thing
[12:15] <pitti> elmo: perfectly understandable
[12:15] <pitti> elmo: however, it really doesn't matter for our servers, if you mean that
[12:15] <pitti> elmo: it's just a flaw with expired accounts, and not even a big one
[12:16] <elmo> pitti: I know, but my scripts whine at me mercilessly if I leave security stuff unpatched
[12:16] <thom> hrm, upgrade-notifier appears to have kamikazed out of my notification tray
[12:17] <jdub> thom: ephy+firefox == fasssssst
[12:17] <thom> jdub: i bet
[12:17] <Mitario> thom, uhmm? :)
[12:17] <thom> no, i'm being stupid
[12:17] <thom> ignore me
[12:18] <seb128> jdub: that's because of the missing typeahead :p
[12:18] <jdub> haha
[12:18] <thom> ARGGGGH
[12:18] <thom> why won't firefox break here
[12:18] <seb128> this bug is for you thom
[12:18] <seb128> I'm rebuilding a firefox package here :)
[12:19] <seb128> there is no evidence in the upstream bugzilla that the typeahead support is broken in firefox
[12:19] <seb128> I want to test it :)
[12:19] <thom> it breaks on the buildds. it breaks for Mithrandir. why will it not break here
[12:19] <thom> seb128: be my guest
[12:21] <thom> seb128: you'll note, however, that gentoo, redhat, debian, and us all turn typeaheadfind off
[12:22] <thom> seb128: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=260948 http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64196
[12:22] <Mithrandir> seb128: want an account on ravel to debug?
[12:22] <seb128> debug what ?
[12:22] <Mithrandir> uhm
[12:22] <Mithrandir> s/seb/thom/
[12:22] <thom> Mithrandir: i think i have one, actually
[12:23] <thom> remind me of the host name?
[12:23] <Mithrandir> ravel.hpc2n.umu.se
[12:23] <Mithrandir> nope, you don't have any account.
[12:23] <pitti> elmo: maybe wait until tomorrow, there is a whole bunch of new flaws that I have to fix
[12:23] <mdz> pitti: your advisory said that only login was affected, but chfn and chsh are in passwd
[12:23] <thom> ok, yes please
[12:23] <Mithrandir> if you want one, drop me a signed mail with user name and ssh key.
[12:23] <pitti> mdz: argh
[12:24] <pitti> the title was correct, but the package don't
[12:24] <thom> jdub: please moderate thom@canonical.com through to hoary changes
[12:24] <elmo> pitti: DUDE.  I just finished shadow.
[12:24] <pitti> mdz: sorry for that. 17-2?
[12:24] <elmo> jdub: you restored to moderating hoary changes?
[12:24] <mdz> pitti: nah
[12:25] <seb128> thom: ok ok, sorry for the noise :)
[12:25] <pitti> mdz: I can at least correct the web site
[12:26] <thom> seb128: :-)
[12:26] <thom> seb128: bug marco :-)
[12:27] <jdub> elmo: it was never moderated, and don't think it's on now.
[12:27] <jdub> something else is going on.
[12:27] <thom> jdub:  hoary-changes-bou (  0) Your message to hoary-changes awaits moderator approval
[12:27] <thom> * a few
[12:27] <jdub> hrm, no message here...
[12:29] <jdub> ah, because i am not admin of that list :)
[12:30] <elmo> I'm off back to the hotel, night all
[12:30] <pitti> Night elmo!
[12:34] <seb128> thom: <chpe> wouldn't adding pref("accessibility.typeaheadfind", false) to firefox' default prefs be enough ?
[12:35] <seb128> thom: do you know where I should make the change ?
[12:36] <seb128> it's already off
[12:36] <seb128> nevermind
[12:38] <thom> seb128: i'll try it again in the morning, but i seriously don't think it's doable
[12:38] <seb128> but how the typeahead works in firefox for the moment ?
[12:39] <thom> it uses find as you type (FAYT) which is built in
[12:40] <seb128> ok
[12:45] <seb128> thom: 
 ok, I see what the problem is. there's extensions/typeaheadfind, and toolkit/components/typeaheadfind
 they both register the typeaheadfind contract-id
[12:47] <jdub> http://jimmac.musichall.cz/ikony/i42/evolution-icon.png
[12:47] <jdub> woo :)
[12:50] <thom> jdub: caillion has gtk stock icon stuff happening for firefo
[12:50] <thom> x
[12:50] <jdub> bonus!
[12:50] <thom> seb128: does he know how to fix it? :-)
[12:50] <jdub> that's rad
[12:50] <seb128> thom: probably, waiting for a reply from him :)
[12:51] <thom> jdub: http://christopher.aillon.org/blog/dev/mozilla/20041104-stock-icons.html
 it may be as simple as changing the contract ids...
 (they SHOULD have changed them, since the 2 .idl are incompatible! )
[12:51] <seb128> * chpe tries that
[12:52] <thom> if i can nail down this amd64 ftbfs, i might see if i can land it
[12:52] <jdub> thom: ... marco helping out with firefox. *cry*
[12:52] <mjg59> Jesus. There's huge amounts of shit in the kernel that hasn't been updated in years
[12:53] <thom> jdub: yep
[12:54] <thom> jdub: gnome + moz integration *is* his bag, baby. so it's not too surprising
[12:54] <Mitario> umm, cool we have an ubuntu installer?
[12:57] <thom> Mitario: hm?
[12:57] <Mitario> umm, ubuntu-meta
[12:58] <thom> oh, right
[01:04] <pitti> night, guys!
[01:04] <thom> g'night
[01:05] <mjg59> Argh.
[01:05] <mjg59> Now it's decided to rebuild everything.
[01:06] <mjg59> Ironically, the C3 craptop doesn't support the ACPI C3 power state
[01:07] <mjg59> Hmm. Nor does it have a sleep button.
[01:08] <Mitario> yaay, upgrade-notifier has a context menu again
[01:09] <mjg59> Mitario: If I run upgrade-notifier, should I see anything unless there are updates available?
[01:10] <Mitario> nope
[01:10] <Mitario> only if there are updates
[01:11] <jdub> mjg59: it's a NOTIFICATION icon. :-)
[01:13] <thom> Mitario: is there a cron job or something that would notify the app?
[01:13] <Mitario> thom, there is a cronjob file in the package, it's only disabled for now because it's probably going to be moved to the apt package
[01:14] <Mitario> upgrade-notifier is notified via dbus when the cronjob has run
[01:15] <thom> yeah
[01:15] <thom> just grabbed the source package :-)
[01:15] <Mitario> :)
[01:18] <thom> Mitario/mvo: if synaptic could go away again when it finishes the upgrade, that'd be cool too
[01:18] <Mitario> when synaptic and update-manager is finished, it will all be integrated in a nice triangle :)
[01:18] <Mitario> thom, already happens :)
[01:18] <Mitario> afaik
[01:18] <Mithrandir> thom: you should be set up now; ravel.hpc2n.umu.se; prod maswan or me if you need anything in any chroot.
[01:18] <thom> Mitario: didn't just now
[01:18] <Mitario> hmm, weird
[01:18] <Mithrandir> maswan: I gave thom an account on ravel
[01:19] <mjg59> jdub: That's what I thought, but I wanted to be sure :)
[01:19] <thom> Mithrandir: thanks duder. moz-firefox build deps would be nice if they aren't already there:-)
[01:19] <Mitario> thom, ah, synaptic is called without --non-interactive, thats why
[01:19] <Mitario> will be fixed soon :)
[01:20] <thom> Mithrandir: oh, and can you add me to the hoary chroot?
[01:20] <mjg59> Shame I absent-mindedly fucked up my source tree, but, hrmph.
[01:20] <thom> mjg59: heh
[01:20] <thom> Mitario: cool
[01:21] <Mithrandir> thom: done.
[01:21] <Mithrandir> thom: they're in the hoary chroot
[01:21] <mjg59> With luck, I can get that back...
[01:22] <thom> Mithrandir: merci bien
[01:24] <mjg59> xscreensaver really should have an option not to run GL screensavers without hardware GL
[01:25] <mjg59> Haha
[01:25] <mjg59> keybuk's favourite libvte bug is still there
[01:40] <thom> waaagh, i are thoroughly bored of watching firefox compile
[01:41] <bob2> how long does it take on your amd64 beast?
[01:41] <thom> fookin' hours
[01:41] <thom> actually, i'm lying, it's about 40 minutes, and about the same to construct the diff :/
[01:42] <mjg59> I have a kernel
[01:42] <mjg59> Now I just need to wait for it to turn into a deb...
[01:42] <Mithrandir> thom: want ccache?
[01:42] <mjg59> Urgh.
[01:43] <mjg59> Why does xscreensaver seem to choose an openGL screensaver every single time?
[01:43] <thom> Mithrandir: if there's space, definitely
[01:43] <jdub> mjg59: our screensaver selection is almost exclusively GL ;)
[01:43] <mjg59> jdub: I wish to introduce you to a world of pain
[01:44] <Mithrandir> thom: installed
[01:44] <jdub> mjg59: i raised this point myself...
[01:44] <mjg59> Oh lord why does the kernel build system want to build the docs before giving me the kernel deb?
[01:44] <Mithrandir> mjg59: it's evil, of course.
[01:50] <Mitario> i'm off to bed
[01:50] <Mitario> cya guys
[01:51] <mdz> mjg59: make-kpkg kernel-image
[01:52] <mjg59> mdz: Nah, I want a full set of kernels
[01:52] <mdz> mjg59: oh, you're building the entire linux-source package?
[01:53] <mjg59> Yeah
[01:57] <bob2> bah, thanks for crashing, firefox
[01:58] <mjg59> ARGH.
[01:59] <mjg59> pivot_root: No such file or directory
[02:00] <bob2> hrm, why is dpkg saying a hal event file has changed?
[02:05] <mjg59> Ah. My kernel has built without including the vast majority of the modules.
[02:06] <thom> oops
[02:06] <mjg59> No, it's built the modules. They just haven't ended up in the package.
[02:07] <thom> oh good. firefox segfaults on ravel, this makes life easier
[02:07] <mjg59> Oh. That would be because I've FUCKED IT UP.
[02:07] <jdub> night thom :)
[02:09] <mdz> mjg59: ccache-able, I hope
[02:09] <thom> but why does it not segfault when you run the same command manually
[02:10] <mjg59> mdz: A-ha ha ha.
[02:11] <mdz> thom: DH_COMPAT?
[02:11] <mdz> thom: fakeroot?
[02:12] <mojo__> hi all ppl
[02:13] <bob2> oh, awesome, firefox's ugly default web browser interface has been replaced with a much simpler and smaller one: http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/firefox.png
[02:13] <mojo__> Why we still using old version 2.0.1 of libgnomecanvas and libgnomeuimm whilst 2.6 is out
[02:13] <thom> bob2: heh
[02:13] <mojo__> bob2: I dun find the default firefox GUI ugly at all
[02:14] <bob2> mojo__: the new one is much cleaner
[02:14] <thom> bob2: got extensions installed?
[02:14] <bob2> thom: no
[02:14] <mjg59> I want a webbrowser like that
[02:14] <bob2> mojo__: no extraneous buttons, text boxes, scrollbars or webpages
[02:14] <thom> a language pack for your crazy not-quite-english?
[02:14] <mojo__> bob2: lol
[02:14] <bob2> nope
[02:14] <mojo__> bob2: yes, it's better
[02:15] <bob2> another weird thing is that for the past two weeks, I've always had a text cursor in the pages
[02:15] <thom> killall firefox-bin and try again
[02:15] <jamesh_> bob2: sounds like a DTD/translation issue
[02:15] <bob2> ie a little I-bar you can move around with the cursor keys, letter by letter
[02:16] <thom> mdz: debian/compat is 4; running under fakeroot but don't the buildds use sudo?
[02:16] <bob2> some do, some don't
[02:16] <mojo__> bob2: I find that gnome-applet now contains trashapplet so y there is still trashapplet app seperate in our respo.?
[02:16] <mdz> thom: they all use fakeroot, at least in Ubuntu
[02:16] <thom> oh, right
[02:17] <bob2> mojo__: hm, waiting to be removed maybe?
[02:17] <thom> ber, but i built it locally with fakeroot
[02:17] <bob2> package removal requires elmo-intervention, aiui
[02:17] <mojo__> bob2: ok then,
[02:18] <bob2> thom: ah, started ok this time
[02:18] <bob2> but now fonts look blurry-as
[02:18] <bob2> did we sync the fucked fontconfig from sid?
[02:18] <thom> bob2: you upgraded underneath the poor thing, didn't you?
[02:18] <mojo__> bob2: it's also good time for us to move to gcc3.4, all libgnome to newer version, I hate keeping all old shit here in my super small sized HDD box
[02:18] <bob2> thom: um, er, ah
[02:18] <mojo__> new 2.9.1 just out
[02:19] <thom> mojo__: um, you realise warty won't change?
[02:19] <thom> mojo__: hoary has gnome 2.9.1
[02:20] <mojo__> thom: i know, but just some program up to 2.9.1, the libgnome is still 2.8.1
[02:20] <mojo__> thom: click on About GNOME
[02:21] <mojo__> should we get rid of esd and bring jack or polyaudio in?
[02:23] <thom> mojo__: please read http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/hoary_kickoff-20041025-summary.html
[02:23] <thom> hrm, upgrade-notifier is multiplying
[02:23] <thom> i now have 7 of them
[02:24] <bob2> erm, bizarre, I still have a cursor in the webpage instead of up/down moving line-by-line
[02:26] <moyogo> hmmm, www links are opened in an existing window of firefox 0.99, how do i get back to a new-window mode?
[02:26] <jdub> thom: same is happening to me with sesssion dbus daemons :|
[02:27] <mojo__> moyogo: editing some xml file in the firefox, search for a article in wiki of Ubuntu
[02:27] <thom> mojo__: preferences/advanced/tabbed browsing
[02:28] <thom> uh, moyogo, even
[02:28] <thom> it's an option
[02:28] <mojo__> thom: hehe, u know a better way, I still play around with xml file
[02:28] <moyogo> oh, sorry, i meant from other apps, like xchat, gaim, etc...
[02:29] <mdz> an ode to gnome-terminal
[02:29] <mdz> gnome-terminal, why are you so slow?
[02:29] <thom> ARGH
[02:29] <thom> moyogo: yes.
[02:29] <mdz> EOF
[02:29] <thom> moyogo: you need to change the pref in firefox
[02:29] <thom> then it does the right thing
[02:29] <thom> mdz: heh
[02:29] <moyogo> thom: thanks
[02:29] <thom> why oh WHY does the wiki say "Howto's"
[02:30] <thom> What does the howto own? 
[02:30] <mdz> thom: it's a wiki, fix it :-P
[02:30] <mojo__> quote: Mark Shuttleworth stated that, "GUI installer is on the hoary list, but it has a question mark on it and I won't commit to having a GUI installer for hoary as it will back us into a corner." That said, it something that people will start working on.
[02:30] <thom> i am with extreme prejudice
[02:31] <mojo__> so what is our GUI installer? Annaconda, SuSE Yast or Mandrake Installer???
[02:31] <mjg59> No
[02:32] <mjg59> It'll be d-i, but graphical
[02:32] <mojo__> really? cool
[02:32] <mdz> I suppose it would be in poor taste to upload binaries built on Ubuntu to Debian...
[02:32] <mdz> damn Debian and its binary uploads
[02:32] <mojo__> mdz: same opinion here
[02:32] <mojo__> mdz: we shouldn't merge,
[02:33] <mdz> mojo__: hmm?
[02:34] <Kosai> thom: Apostrophes can be used to pluralise, eg. CD's and 1980's.  I imagine the author chose to pluralise because "Howtos" is misparsed, and if you're going with "HOWTOs" then you're accepting that it's an abbreviation and an apostrophe is therefore okay.
[02:34] <mojo__> mdz: I got this msg: thom: Apostrophes can be used to pluralise, eg. CD's and 1980's.  I imagine the author chose to pluralise because "Howtos" is misparsed, and if you're going with "HOWTOs" then you're accepting that it's an abbreviation and an apostrophe is therefore okay.
[02:34] <jdub> Kosai: that is incorrect.
[02:34] <mojo__> sorry
[02:35] <Kosai> jdub: Which part?
[02:35] <mdz> Kosai: apostrophes for pluralization
[02:35] <mojo__> mdz: I got this msg: glade-2: error while loading shared libraries: libgnomedb-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:35] <mdz> Kosai: http://www.angryflower.com/aposter.html
[02:35] <Kosai> It's clearly not "incorrect", since you'll find it in style guides, and it's the "CDs" from that's traditionally considered incorrect.  You can say that you disagree with it, which is not the same thing.
[02:35] <mojo__> mdz: when installing it, it doesn't take libgnomedb as its dep, it'd be a problem with the maintainer
[02:35] <Kosai> s/from/form/
[02:36] <thom> Kosai: my english teacher would've hung drawn and quartered me if i tried to use an apostrophe for pluralisation
[02:36] <mdz> mojo__: possibly
[02:36] <jdub> thom: i would've been extradited to the US.
[02:36] <Kosai> thom: *shrug* I'm a "CDs" person.  I just wouldn't expect a non-geek to be, and wouldn't profess it as Plain Wrong.
[02:36] <jdub> thom: by the *education* department.
[02:37] <mojo__> mdz: darn, I got libgnomedb installed and new it still complains, defintely a bug!
[02:37] <Kosai> thom: For further insight, consider the phrase "Mind your p's and q's."
[02:37] <jdub> Kosai: i don't even use apostrophes when i *say* it.
[02:37] <Kosai> jdub: You say "Mind your ps"?
[02:37] <Kosai> 'cause that could scare a lot of Unix geeks :)
[02:39] <moyogo> one could say "Mind your pees and queues"
[02:39] <Kosai> One could, but I think one would be further elucidating my point.
[02:40] <mojo__> ppl, can u ppl check for me, whenever u copy a text from different programs and paste it here, it just takes all msg that other chatter just type in and paste it out, it happens here with me, can u guys recheck, thx?
[02:41] <bob2> mojo__: that would depend on the IRC cilent, but, no, it doesn't happen with irssi + xterm
[02:41] <Kosai> mojo__: Primary vs. selection clipboards?
[02:41] <mojo__> bob2: I'm using XChat
[02:41] <mojo__> Kosai: if u use X-Chat, plese check for me. thx in advance
[02:41] <Kosai> If you're doing an Edit->Copy, you need to be pasting with an Edit->Paste rather than a middle-click.
[02:41] <Kosai> I don't use xchat.
[02:42] <moyogo> xchat's ctrl+v pastes whatever text is selected
[02:42] <mojo__> darn, this bug happens not only with XChat but also with FireFox, I just pasted some error text from my GNOME terminal, and it just paste all words u guys just talked
[02:43] <mojo__> werid, it'd be XChat save text in buffer clipboard
[02:43] <Kosai> mojo__: This is fundamental enough that I suggest it's not a bug, but your understanding of how X11 selections work.
[02:43] <mojo__> Kosai: can u explain?
[02:44] <mdz> mako: around?
[02:45] <Kosai> mojo__: There are two clipboards.  One is copied to and pasted from via Edit->{Copy,Paste} menu commands, one is copied to and pasted from by selecting text to copy and middle-clicking to paste.
[02:45] <Kosai> If you're mixing those two models, you will not be pasting what you think you copied.
[02:45] <mojo__> Kosai: oh i c
[02:45] <mojo__> Kosai: oh ic
[02:45] <Kosai> (This isn't at all on topic for #ubuntu-devel, by the way.)
[02:46] <mojo__> Kosai: devel need to learn and updates everyday, don't we?
[02:47] <mdz> mako: please fact-check https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/shipit and update as appropriate so that it answers the new "when are my CDs coming?" FAQ
[02:49] <mojo__> mdz: I hope the CD Cover is pretty
[02:50] <mdz> mojo__: they are
[03:14] <mjg59> Well, except that it hasn't loaded the input drivers. Ho-hum.
[03:16] <mjg59> Hang on. They're supposed to be static.
[03:16] <mjg59> Hrm.
[03:51] <mako> mdz: thanks! :)
[03:51] <mdz> mako: I removed the bit which said we would ship them sometime after warty released :-)
[03:52] <mako> tomorrow i am mailing everyone who requested a cd and wasn't sent one and will update shipit as well
[05:17] <moyogo> does firefox 0.99 break sound with flash?
[05:17] <moyogo> i can't hear a thing but i'm not sure what's the cause
[05:42] <lamont> mdz: germinate ensures that build-deps are satisfied within the component (tree).   pb was that sbuild used diff logic to pick the build-depends...
[06:28] <lamont> hrm.. arts needs help from someone who cares about universe and kde
[06:36] <jdub> lamont: that'
[06:36] <jdub> lamont: that'd be... not any of us! :)
[06:37] <lamont> jdub: yeah - that's why I just told the -devel community to care. :-)
[06:37] <jdub> heh
[06:37] <jdub> yyyaaay!
[06:38] <lamont> sbcl about to be bootstrapped on ppc.
[06:38] <lamont> i386 is a bit behind, because it's bootstrapping more packages in the bundel
[06:49] <mdz> zsh: segmentation fault  cvs up -jupstream_version_2_4_{0,1} -d
[06:49] <mdz> GREAT
[06:59] <lamont> mdz: :-(
[07:08] <lamont> mdz: sbcl bootstrapped on ppc, will bootstrap i386 the rest of the way in the morning, need to run to denver tomorrow, which'll nuke a fair part of my day...
[07:09] <mdz> lamont: what's in denver?
[07:09] <lamont> (i386 may also get ghc5 and cmucl and maybe even smlnj)
[07:09] <lamont> wife's dragging me down for a hotel meeting tomorrow lunch
[07:09] <lamont> so 1 hour meeting, 90 min each way travel :(
[07:10] <lamont> then saturday I head to the bay area, where I'll be working for a couple of weeks with the conf in the middle, as discussed.
[07:10] <lamont> mako around?
[07:12] <mako> lamont: yesah
[07:12] <lamont> mdz: so tomorrow will be a bit of a strange(r?) schedule for me, but should be productive...
[08:11] <fabbione> morning guys
[08:12] <mdz> morning
[08:12] <fabbione> hey mdz
[08:12] <fabbione> i feel all strange
[08:12] <fabbione> it was ages i couldn't sleep this long
[08:19] <mdz> fabbione: did you sleep well?
[08:19] <fabbione> yeps
[08:19] <fabbione> finally
[08:19] <mdz> a weight was lifted :-)
[08:19] <fabbione> yeah well
[08:19] <fabbione> now it needs to hit the archive
[08:19] <fabbione> that is going to be hard
[08:20] <fabbione> the other things in the TODO list are long and borig
[08:20] <fabbione> boring
[08:26] <fabbione> so mdz.. did you notice any side effect after the upgrade?
[08:34] <fabbione> other than the keyboard thing
[08:46] <pitti> Hi guys
[08:47] <fabbione> mdz: i found the problem for the keyboard thingy
[08:47] <fabbione> does anybody know how to validate xml data?
[08:50] <pitti> fabbione: I always use the perl bindings for the Xerces parser (a very good one)
[08:50] <pitti> fabbione: can do both DTDs and XML Schema
[08:53] <fabbione> pitti: i found the error
[08:54] <fabbione> and a way to "validate" it ;)
[08:54] <pitti> fabbione: "the" error?
[08:54] <pitti> fabbione: you mean the keyboard layout thingy?
[08:54] <fabbione> yes
[08:54] <fabbione> it's a bunch of merge errors in xorg.xml
[08:54] <fabbione> nothing too difficult to fix
[08:54] <fabbione> just a royal pain the butt ;)
[08:55] <fabbione> yup
[08:58] <fabbione> it took more time to find the gnome application name than to do the fix
[09:28] <Mithrandir> mdz: uhm, you resolved 692 as notwarty?  Is it nothoary as well?
[10:00] <cenerentola> can i speak with jeef.waugh
[10:00] <cenerentola> jeff actually
[10:01] <daniels> cenerentola: jdub
[10:01] <cenerentola> that is...
[10:01] <cenerentola> jdub: got to speak with you...
[10:24] <fabbione> gooody another X.org bug fixed
[10:35] <sivang> morning all
[10:36] <sivang> hi fabbione
[10:36] <fabbione> and libxklavier with a HUGE cluebat!
[10:36] <fabbione> hi sivang 
[10:36] <sivang> fabbione : we need your help :) mako said you are to guy to ask for irc channels logging 
[10:37] <fabbione> sivang: yes...
[10:37] <fabbione> oh actually.. i need to remember to move the logs to a public place
[10:38] <fabbione> sivang: i need to know the channel at least ;)
[10:41] <ChrisH> fabbione: Just out of curiosity... how do you log? I enabled logging in .irrsi and could imagine just copying the files. Is there a decent automatism?
[10:41] <ChrisH> fabbione: Perhaps a "lurk bot". :)
[10:41] <fabbione> ChrisH: i use bitchx and i enable logging per channel
[10:41] <fabbione> a script at night will rotate the logs
[10:42] <fabbione> nothing too fancy
[10:42] <ChrisH> fabbione: Ah, okay.
[10:42] <fabbione> irssi can do the same
[10:42] <__daniel> hai
[10:42] <fabbione> ChrisH: and i have "wartylog" that does the job for us
[10:42] <fabbione> i only forgot to put the logs in  public accessable place ;)
[10:45] <__daniel> hai seb128
[10:45] <fabbione> hey seb
[10:45] <seb128> morning
[10:46] <fabbione> seb128: should we talk about libxklavier?
[10:47] <fabbione> ;)
[10:47] <fabbione> can we change the build-deps and the build system to do something more sane?
[10:48] <fabbione> like.. build-deps on xlibs, check if /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.xml exists and set the proper values for it?
[10:48] <seb128> what's the problem ?
[10:48] <fabbione> if not check if xfree86.xml exists (and not as symlink)
[10:48] <fabbione> and in case revert to it
[10:49] <fabbione> seb128: x.org will change xfree86.xml to xorg.xml
[10:49] <fabbione> there is a compatibility symlink
[10:49] <fabbione> but the keyboard setup stuff is supposed to use the new one (capplets)
[10:49] <fabbione> via that lib
[10:49] <fabbione> also.. the lib ships it's own copy of xfree86.xml
[10:49] <fabbione> that's really really bad
[10:50] <fabbione> it should get it from the system directly with the proper builddep
[10:50] <fabbione> it does it only for tests
[10:50] <fabbione> but it will spot errors earlier if it uses the system one
[10:50] <seb128> ok
[10:50] <seb128> and what's the problem with cdbs so ? :)
[10:50] <fabbione> it's not urgent tho, but if you can provide us a fix we can test it
[10:51] <fabbione> seb128: cdbs sucks.. but that's another story :P
[10:51] <__daniel> could someone of you initiate a sync with libgdamm1.3* (version number 1.3.4-1) in experimental debian? i built packages from debian source and it all went quite fine :-)
[10:52] <fabbione> __daniel: please mail ubuntu-devel explaing also why we need to sync it
[10:52] <fabbione> syncing from experimental is not necessarely good ;)
[10:52] <__daniel> oh ok... thank you, i wondered what was the appropriate way
[10:53] <seb128> fabbione: feel free to change whatever you want in libxklavier, or let me know what changes do you want exactly if I should do the changes (1.11 has been released yesterday I was going to package it today)
[10:53] <fabbione> seb128: ok.. than i will wait for the new upstream
[10:53] <__daniel> fabbione: libgdamm1.3 won't make the systems in general unstable ;-)
[11:17] <amu> fabbione: on my g4 PB xorg doesnt work. You got mail, about logs and the config  
[11:17] <Mithrandir> hi amu
[11:18] <amu> hi Mithrandir 
[11:18] <Mithrandir> amu: I poked a little bit around in your cd build setup; do you have a design document of some sort?
[11:19] <amu> Mithrandir: on devel ? which one now i have 3 builds, mmaker, ibuild and a native   
[11:20] <Mithrandir> amu: on devel, yes.
[11:20] <amu> Mithrandir: no docs for now ;) 
[11:21] <Mithrandir> amu: ok, so I have to read code and grok it that way. :)  Which one is the one I should look at?
[11:36] <fabbione> amu: got it.. daniles is checking, but please use the mail alias next time
[11:37] <fabbione> amu: can you try set Option "UseFBDev" "false" ?
[11:38] <amu> fabbione: mail alias ?
[11:39] <azeem> x-psychos@canonical.com, probably
[11:39] <fabbione> yes.. read the mail... use xsprintbugs@fabbione.net
[11:39] <azeem> ah, close :)
[11:40] <amu> fabbione: yap, also not working ;)
[11:40] <amu> fabbione: ok
[11:41] <seb128> elmo_away: hum, reject gtkhtml3.6 if possible .. if that's too late don't worry that's not a big deal
[11:42] <fabbione> amu: daniels says it's a known upstream bug
[11:45] <amu> fabbione: sorry, after my xorg session upgrade last night, evolution isnt working anymore :) guess asap i need a reinstalltion
[11:47] <fabbione> amu: evolution has nothing to do with X
[11:47] <fabbione> amu: if evolution does trycky things.. it needs to be fixed
[11:48] <fabbione> amu: anyway.. you should be able to avoid a reinstallation
[11:48] <fabbione> amu: just do a apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[11:48] <fabbione> it should deinstall xserver-xorg
[11:48] <fabbione> and everything should be working fine again
[11:49] <seb128> what's exactly the problem with evolution ?
[11:55] <fabbione> amu: we need a backtrace from the debug server
[11:55] <fabbione> amu: can you help us?
[11:57] <amu> seb128: run a upgrad to hoary, now removed all evolutions dirs, started it again, and at the point, where i chosse my timezone, it hangs and my syslods goes to 99%  
[11:57] <amu> fabbione: no prob, tell me what i should do 
[11:58] <amu> seb128: chosse/choose
[11:59] <seb128> that's nothing due to x.org
[11:59] <seb128> that's a bug with GNOME 2.9
[11:59] <seb128> reported several time and 100% reproducible
[11:59] <fabbione> amu: install xserver-xorg-dbg
[11:59] <fabbione> amu: and gdb it
[12:00] <seb128> amu: reinstalling will not help ... BTW I'm upload 2.1.0 today which will fix the problem
[12:04] <amu> seb128: before i upgrade, run a backup, now my mails are in the backup. How i can read old mails with evo, no way. Untar everything to a tempdir, reading them with mutt. I thought i should tell fabbione about it and sended him a mail ( with mutt ) about my problems, which i have 
[12:05] <seb128> sorry but you should  not run hoary if you don't want to deal with any problem
[12:05] <seb128> that's a devel branch we can't avoid all the bugs
[12:06] <seb128> you can't create a new account on a fresh evolution installation, but if you have a old ~/.evolution it should just use it, not ask for an account creation and not hang on the tz selector
[12:06] <daniels> seb128: ah cool, thanks for the new evo stuff
[12:06] <amu> seb128: no prob with it.I still know how to use mutt :) 
[12:07] <fabbione> amu: as soon as you can please try to gdb the xserver
[12:10] <bob2> seb128: would it be better if "totem" Depended on totem-gstreamer | totem-xine, so that gnome-fifth-toe doesn't remove totem-gstreamer?
[12:10] <amu> fabbione: on work :) 
[12:10] <fabbione> amu: cool
[12:10] <seb128> bob2: in debian it does, in warty/hoary we don't use the dummy package so we don't care
[12:15] <pitti> elmo: Morning! Can you please sync lvm10 1:1.0.8-8 from Debian?
[12:16] <elmo> pitti: done
[12:16] <pitti> elmo: thx
[12:17] <daniels> pitti: you forgot the 'k' and 'bye'
[12:17] <pitti> daniels: hmm, not yet time for the "bye" part :-)
[12:17] <pitti> daniels: BTW, I tried to get my VGA out working on my iBook. fabbione promised it would work with x.org, but it doesn't :-((
[12:18] <pitti> daniels: does that mean I need to keep OS X just for presentations?
[12:18] <daniels> pitti: how fast is your machine?
[12:18] <pitti> daniels: 800 MHz
[12:18] <daniels> pitti: if you don't mind building xorg, I'll feed you a patch that should make it work
[12:19] <daniels> hnrgh
[12:19] <daniels> i don't have access to a powerpc, sorry
[12:19] <daniels> elmo: any chance I could get access to the chroot on adare?
[12:19] <pitti> daniels: hmm, if I start now, it could be ready by the conference :-)
[12:19] <bob2> it won't take that long
[12:19] <bob2> how much disk space does it take?
[12:19] <daniels> >4GB
[12:20] <bob2> will pbuilder work or do I need to remember the sbuild incantations again?
[12:20] <pitti> daniels: btw, the problem seems to be the frame buffer; if I disable UseFBDev, then the external screen works perfectly, but the internal screen flickers; if I enable framebuffer, the internal screen works, but the external doesn't
[12:20] <daniels> pitti: yeah, that sounds exactly like an fwpll thing
[12:20] <pitti> daniels: does that ring any bell?
[12:20] <daniels> bob2: pbuilder should work fine
[12:21] <pitti> daniels: I even tried to enable this fwpll option, but it doesn't do anything; the patch makes it work?
[12:21] <bob2> pmdisk should work with dri enabled now, too
[12:21] <bob2> in xorg land, I mean
[12:21] <elmo> daniels: done
[12:21] <daniels> bob2: pmdisk?
[12:22] <bob2> oh, I'll let you do it then
[12:22] <daniels> elmo: cheers dude
[12:22] <fabbione> pitti: chill down dude... it's the first release ;)
[12:22] <bob2> daniels: = Yet Another Suspend-to-disk System
[12:22] <pitti> fabbione: hey, I was curious! :-)
[12:22] <fabbione> pitti: we are happy enough that it works :-)
[12:22] <fabbione> and not even everywhere 
[12:23] <daniels> elmo: yellow hates my key
[12:23] <pitti> fabbione: do you have an idea why the automatic upgrading did not work?
[12:23] <elmo> daniels: err, yellow's amd64
[12:23] <fabbione> pitti: no. it works here and it worked for several people
[12:23] <elmo> you asked for powerpc
[12:23] <bob2> pitti: were you running hoary before?
[12:23] <daniels> elmo: sorry, adare
[12:23] <daniels> elmo: i'll try again with -idiot
[12:23] <bob2> the upgrade worked perfectly for me
[12:24] <fabbione> it doesn't need warty or hoary
[12:24] <pitti> bob2: I had hoary on my desktop, warty on iBook; neither upgrade installer xserver-xorg
[12:24] <fabbione> it requires you to have ubuntu-desktop installed
[12:24] <pitti> fabbione: ah, I didn't have ubuntu-desktop
[12:24] <pitti> fabbione: this could explain the issue
[12:24] <fabbione> that's why there was a new version in the archive
[12:24] <daniels> elmo: yeah, works perfectly, thanks
[12:24] <fabbione> if you remove the standard stuff you are on your own
[12:25] <pitti> bob2: I did not see any flaws during the upgrade too, but it just kept my old xserver-xfree86 package and did not install the -xorg one
[12:25] <bob2> pitti: ah, right
[12:25] <bob2> pitti: sleep on g4 ibook's may happen very soon, btw
[12:25] <pitti> bob2: even better :-)
[12:32] <sivang> fabbione : #ubuntu-doc
[12:32] <sivang> fabbione : :)
[12:38] <fabbione> sivang: ok.. will do in a sec
[12:38] <sivang> fabbione : thank you, no need to rush anyways :)
[12:39] <fabbione> sivang: it takes a minute
[12:43] <|trey|> Any reason why apt-listbugs isn't installed by default? Would be nice for people running hoary  :)
[12:44] <bob2> it doesn't integrate into synaptic
[12:45] <sivang> fabbione : Thank You!
[12:48] <|trey|> bob2, happen to know if differences with console-data and locales would be reason for "perl: warning: Setting locale failed."? when using APT/dpkg on terminal?
[12:49] <|trey|> (just making sure due to not being able to set it right now... waiting on it to finish...)
[12:49] <|trey|> If something else is at fault, it would be nice to know  :)
[12:50] <bob2> did you generate the locale you're trying to use?
[12:51] <|trey|> bob2, yup... dpkg-reconfigure locales does that...
[12:52] <|trey|> bob2, "locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory" "locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory" "locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory"
[12:53] <|trey|> bob2, those are some of the errors I am getting... look like I have to do it again, I have only changed locale in locales... where else should I check?
[12:53] <|trey|> bob2, rarely do I successfully get UTF-8 working correctly   :(
[12:53] <bob2> I dunno
[12:53] <|trey|> bob2, :(
[12:55] <|trey|> bob2, ahh.. the file it mentions it can't find is /usr/bin/locales (area I copied from didn't contain that... seems important  ;) )
[12:56] <|trey|> bob2, wouldn't that be part of package 'locales' though? that is installed... idgi  :(
[12:57] <|trey|> bob2, grr... it seems to work, just farts that out... report bug?
[01:01] <|trey|> bob2, ugh, to make console use UTF-8, dpkg-reconfigure what? looked at "low" for console-common and console-data... neither ask about locale  :(
[01:03] <Mithrandir> |trey|: locales?
[01:04] <|trey|> Mithrandir, en_US-UTF-8 is an example of a locale...
[01:04] <Mithrandir> |trey|: you need to run dpkg-reconfigure locales.
[01:04] <Mithrandir> I know what a locale is.
[01:04] <|trey|> Mithrandir, done... thats when I started getting the error...
[01:05] <|trey|> Mithrandir, its also what I am using though... but why would it be complaining about no /usr/bin/locales? mores to the point, why is it looking for that?
[01:05] <Mithrandir> /usr/bin/locale, I'd guess?
[01:06] <|trey|> Mithrandir, ahh, yeah...
[01:07] <|trey|> Hmm, ok, well thats there... so now I'm really confused  :(
[01:08] <|trey|> Mithrandir, hmm, I probably haven't restarted X since I generated locale, could that be why?
[01:09] <Mithrandir> no idea, I dislike utf8
[01:09] <|trey|> Mithrandir, Ubuntu is switching to UTF-8 everywhere...
[01:10] <Mithrandir> I know, and it sucks, IMHO.
[01:10] <|trey|> Mithrandir, whats wrong with it in your opinion?
[01:11] <Mithrandir> |trey|: it requires me to switch all the bazillion systems I log into at once.
[01:11] <|trey|> Other then it always giving me errors when I try to use it, I have nothing against it...
[01:12] <|trey|> Mithrandir, would be better if UTF-8 was configured as part of postinst, afaik, its not though  :(
[01:12] <|trey|> If it is, it didn't work here, that I can say for sure...
[01:12] <Mithrandir> |trey|: still won't change all my _other_ systems.
[01:13] <|trey|> Mithrandir, oh, I don't have any _other_ systems to worry about  :(
[01:14] <|trey|> Mithrandir, Universal Text Format is a Standard though...
[01:16] <|trey|> Oh, on a side note... my instuctor marked me off 2 pts on my final lab due to assuring me '//server/location' is not the format for UNC..
[01:17] <|trey|> Else I would have gotten a 100... damnit, not complying with standards is annoying.
[01:21] <|trey|> Kinda fucked up though, he knows I mainly use Linux... he should have let it slide, it works damnit, last I checked, things that work are correct?
[01:25] <|trey|> damnit @ me rambling here... thought I was in #ubuntu, not -devel, sorry  :(
[01:44] <amu> fabbione daniels: ping 
[01:50] <thom> Mithrandir: do you have any ideas *at all* on why ldd should segfault? :(
[02:10] <daniels> amu: pong
[02:36] <seb128> fabbione: ping ?
[02:38] <fabbione> seb128: pong
[02:38] <lupus_> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main gstreamer0.8 0.8.7-1ubuntu1 (dsc)
[02:38] <lupus_>   302 Found
[02:38] <lupus_> no sources available?
[02:38] <seb128> dunno if that's due to X.org, but the "select to copy and middle click to paste" doesn't work between my emacs and my GNOME apps
[02:39] <thom> seb128: use a real editor ;-)
[02:39] <fabbione> emacs is broken
[02:40] <seb128> it was working before the xfree upgrade :p
[02:40] <seb128> thom: gedit ? :)
[02:40] <fabbione> something else is broken
[02:40] <fabbione> but not X
[02:40] <seb128> ok
[02:40] <fabbione> ;)
[02:40] <fabbione> seb128: that's a definition
[02:40] <seb128> I just wanted to let you know that the copy/past is broken here
[02:40] <fabbione> i would need to reproduce it
[02:41] <fabbione> so from emacs to what?
[02:41] <seb128> emacs to any gtk+ app
[02:42] <seb128> gedit for example
[02:42] <seb128> or gnome-terminal
[02:43] <fabbione> seb128: probably it needs to be recompiled
[02:43] <fabbione> i don't think our buildd is there yet
[02:43] <fabbione> there was a new drop of libxaw that might have break something
[02:43] <seb128> do you have the problem too ?
[02:43] <fabbione> yes
[02:44] <fabbione> i can reproduce it
[02:44] <fabbione> dunno in xfree86
[02:44] <daniels> yeah, I blame Xaw
[02:44] <fabbione> so do i
[02:44] <seb128> it was working before the xfree->x.org for sure
[02:44] <fabbione> seb128: well someone will have to fix Xaw applications to use the new interface
[02:45] <fabbione> reverting xaw isn't really an option
[02:45] <seb128> ok
[02:45] <daniels> (and we now have not one, not two, but three different major versions of xaw. yay!)
[02:46] <bob2> api or abi changes?
[02:47] <daniels> both
[02:48] <bob2> what could the possibly be changing in it thesedays?
[02:48] <bob2> altering the argument list for the drawFuglyText() function?
[02:49] <daniels> xprint.
[02:49] <bob2> hahahahahaha
[02:49] <daniels> it's not funny.
[03:06] <daniels> pitti: please put http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xorg/radeon_drv.o in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers, put 'Option "UseFWPLL"' in the Device section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:06] <bob2> then I can plug my laptop to a crt and it will Just Work?
[03:06] <daniels> bob2: Hopefully
[03:06] <daniels> bob2: (that applies to you, too)
[03:07] <bob2> rock.
[03:07] <fabbione> seb128: i am afraid the problem is in gtk*
[03:07] <bob2> 404
[03:07] <fabbione> seb128: rebuilt emacs with latest xaw still has the problem
[03:07] <pitti> daniels: I hacked the default config quite a bit in the meantime. Is the FWPLL option the only one required to get VGA OUT?
[03:07] <daniels> pitti: i'm told so
[03:08] <fabbione> seb128: are we sure there are no buildtime flags in gtk to recognize X.org/Xfree86?
[03:08] <daniels> bob2: yeah, my bad, on the way
[03:09] <fabbione> seb128: btw.. emacs to xterm works
[03:09] <fabbione> so it must be the receiving gtk application that goes bong
[03:10] <daniels> bob2, pitti: try now
[03:10] <pitti> daniels: still 404 :-(
[03:10] <daniels> daniels@rookery ~ $ ls -l public_html/xorg/radeon_drv.o 
[03:10] <daniels> -rw-r--r--    1 daniels  warthogs  2327838 Nov  5 14:10 public_html/xorg/radeon_drv.o
[03:11] <bob2> it's there for me
[03:11] <bob2> 2 327 838 bytes
[03:11] <pitti> daniels: now it works; I think the forced proxy of my ISP has bitten me
[03:12] <daniels> ahr.
[03:13] <bob2> 2b44a78ad9de3dcecda5301d8e498ee3  ./radeon_drv.o
[03:15] <Mitario> hi everyone
[03:15] <bob2> daniels: right?
[03:16] <pitti> daniels: I want to kiss you!!!!! IT FINALLY WORKS!
[03:16] <pitti> daniels: However, just using the option is not enough
[03:16] <pitti> daniels: I inserted it into another configuration file I hacked before
[03:16] <jdub> plenty of time for that kind of thing in december
[03:16] <daniels> pitti: can you pass me the config file?
[03:16] <jdub> you guys want to share a room? :)
[03:16] <pitti> daniels, bob2: I will clean up the configuration changes
[03:17] <seb128> fabbione: ok, I'll have a look
[03:17] <pitti> jdub: wanna join us? :-)
[03:17] <bob2> pitti: thanks dude
[03:17] <jdub> wow-wow-wacka-wacka
[03:17] <daniels> pitti: ill
[03:17] <daniels> jdub: i'm already in with sideshow
[03:17] <jdub> score.
[03:17] <daniels> bob2: yeah, probably
[03:17] <bob2> daniels: hah
[03:17] <daniels> bob2: think I deleted it from my laptop after copying adare->rookery
[03:17] <bob2> ah well
[03:18] <bob2> it didn't break pitti's machine, so I'll live
[03:18] <pitti> bob2: www.piware.de/xorg.conf
[03:18] <pitti> bob2: however, this is still the messy one
[03:18] <pitti> bob2: I publish the minimal changes to the wiki after cleanup
[03:19] <bob2> pitti: yeah, I'm diffing yours and mien to see what to change
[03:19] <pitti> daniels: thanks a lot, dude! I'm going to wipe OS X now :-)
[03:19] <daniels> pitti: rad
[03:19] <daniels> glad to see it works
[03:19] <bob2> pitti: do you have working ctrl-alt-f1 with your keymap?
[03:20] <pitti> bob2: yes
[03:20] <pitti> bob2: at least with my "exec xterm" window manager :-)
[03:20] <lamont> moo
[03:20] <pitti> bob2: this is the fastest one to test configurations (with startx)
[03:20] <pitti> lamont: oink
[03:21] <bob2> pitti: heh, right
[03:21] <pitti> I will disconnect my desktop from the monitor now, to hook it to the iBook :-) 
[03:21] <bob2> pitti: hrm, you're using the "ati" driver, not the "radeon" one
[03:21] <pitti> bob2: I think these are pretty much aliases
[03:21] <daniels> bob2: doesn't make a difference
[03:21] <bob2> ah, cool
[03:22] <daniels> except where ati fails to properly pass through to radeon because it's crap
[03:22] <bob2> hah
[03:25] <bob2> hm, now to find my hitherto useless crt adaptor
[03:26] <pitti> bob2, daniels: okay, it is enough to add the UseFWPLL option and change UseFBDev from true to false
[03:26] <bob2> pitti: what's mergefb and enablepageflip do?
[03:26] <daniels> ... iiiinnteresting
[03:26] <pitti> bob2, daniels: BTW, falsing UseFBDev alone has always given screen flicker effects
[03:27] <daniels> i call bong
[03:27] <pitti> bob2: enablepageflip is IIRC only a speed enhancement
[03:27] <pitti> bob2: otherwise I have no idea; I blindly played around with some 10 Options
[03:27] <bob2> pitti: do you get flickering without usefbdev now?
[03:27] <daniels> mergedfb is so you can do overlays on dual-head
[03:27] <bob2> = xvideo?
[03:27] <robtaylor> hmm, i'm still having a problem getting my postinst called on 1st boot :/ 
[03:28] <pitti> bob2: yes, without the FWPLL option the screen still flickers when not using the framebuffer
[03:28] <daniels> it is what it says on the box -- it merges both displays into one big fb, so the hardware sees a 3200x1600 (e.g) fb to overlay on to
[03:28] <daniels> bob2: xv and dri
[03:28] <bob2> wow, awesome
[03:28] <pitti> bob2, daniels: BTW, external screen will only work if the monitor is connected _before_ X start; but this is good enough for me :-)
[03:28] <daniels> pitti: it's probably syncing to the wrong head, then
[03:28] <bob2> is there any bongness like "you have to have the crt plugged in while booting"?
[03:28] <daniels> pitti: try Option "DevicePresence" for that
[03:28] <robtaylor> can anyone help? http://pastebin.ca/1930
[03:28] <bob2> ah, right
[03:28] <robtaylor> oop
[03:28] <robtaylor> wrong channel =)
[03:29] <pitti> daniels: with which value?
[03:30] <bob2> daniels: if I start a new X server to test this, will it make the other two running *with* UseFBDev "true" puke?
[03:30] <sjoerd> daniels: do you know if people with an albook (radeon 9600) have tested xorg with dualhead ?
[03:30] <pitti> sjoerd: good news!
[03:31] <pitti> sjoerd: yesterday I still used XFree86 without knowing it
[03:31] <daniels> pitti: just on its own
[03:31] <sjoerd> pitti: hehe
[03:31] <daniels> bob2: arsed if I know.  i used to think it was fairly safe, then I made thom angry
[03:31] <bob2> hah
[03:32] <bob2> pitti: are you still Mr HAL, btw?
[03:32] <pitti> bob2: Yes, I suppose
[03:32] <pitti> daniels: no noticeable difference
[03:32] <daniels> sjoerd: no idea, sorry
[03:32] <daniels> sjoerd: that said, I'd be very surprised if it worked at all
[03:32] <daniels> it should fail to detect your BIOS and error out
[03:32] <pitti> daniels: in particular, if I attach the external screen after X start, I just see a dark OpenFirmware output
[03:33] <pitti> daniels: or was this option to work without framebuffer interface?
[03:33] <sjoerd> daniels: i didn't get xorg to work when i compiled it myself, but that was some time ago..
[03:33] <bob2> daniels: does that merge option give me xinerama-type fun if I plug in a crt?
[03:33] <sjoerd> daniels: i harass you when i get xorg debs for debian..
[03:33] <amu> daniels: with the xorg-debug package the xserver runs.
[03:34] <bob2> pitti: should I bug you on IRC or in bugzilla then? :)
[03:34] <daniels> oh my god, my screen is very colourful
[03:34] <daniels> amu: 
[03:34] <daniels> amu: ARGH
[03:34] <pitti> bob2: if you have enough information, bz is preferred :-)
[03:34] <bob2> pitti: sure, will do
[03:34] <pitti> bob2: but we can work it out interactively
[03:34] <daniels> pitti: DevicePresence assumes all devices (e.g. external CRT) are present so you can attach them later IIRC
[03:35] <bob2> pitti: it's just hal (or maybe g-v-m) doesn't auto-mount removable media with NTFS filesystems
[03:35] <pitti> daniels: nope, not even with value "True"
[03:35] <daniels> amu: can you please provide an strace with -s 1200 of running Xorg :0 -logverbose 999999999 -verbose 9999999999 -ac ?
[03:35] <pitti> bob2: right, known bug
[03:36] <daniels> amu: (of the non-debug server)
[03:36] <bob2> pitti: ah, couldn't find it in bugzilla
[03:36] <pitti> bob2: my arch head already does this
[03:36] <daniels> pitti: ahr, suck :\ not really sure then, sorry
[03:36] <bob2> pitti: is it related to having to mount it ro?
[03:36] <bob2> pitti: oh, awesome
[03:36] <pitti> bob2: I just noticed the lack of pmount NTFS support yesterday :-)
[03:36] <bob2> pitti: ahhh
[03:37] <pitti> daniels: still, restarting X is not a big deal; it's a huge improvement that it works in principle. Kudos!!! Many thanks!
[03:37] <daniels> pitti: no worries dude :)
[03:37] <daniels> enjoy it
[03:37] <daniels> now to debugging this heisenbug. hoorah!
[03:37] <daniels> thom: still think firefox sucks now? :P
[03:37] <pitti> daniels: hmm, but for the general public, this should work out of the box some day...
[03:37] <pitti> daniels: good luck!
[03:38] <amu> daniels: tell me just what i've excatly to do, step by step 
[03:38] <daniels> pitti: yeah, absolutely
[03:38] <daniels> pitti: ta
[03:38] <pitti> bob2: my current pmount arch head only mounts it ro anyway
[03:38] <bob2> daniels: are all these options safe to set in xorg.conf by default?
[03:38] <daniels> amu: install xserver-xorg, run sudo strace -s 1200 -ff Xorg :1 -logverbose 999999999 -verbose 99999999999 -ac > ihatexorgandthisiswhy 2>&1, send the logfile to xsprintbugs@fabbione.net
[03:39] <daniels> bob2: no
[03:39] <bob2> dang
[03:39] <daniels> bob2: presence or lack thereof needs to be autoprobed, and the docs I have have a hole of sorts in them on that
[03:39] <amu> daniels: thx
[03:39] <bob2> daniels: ah
[03:40] <bob2> well, time to test this baby out
[03:42] <Mitario> cya soon
[03:42] <pitti> bob2: I really like my laptop now :-)
[03:42] <pitti> bob2: I change the wiki
[03:45] <daniels> ah, pll2!
[03:45] <sjoerd> daniels: scary question. do those debs have a chance to work with debian or are there big changes needed 
[03:45] <daniels> pitti: i think I see something here that should let it work without fbdev
[03:45] <daniels> sjoerd: should work ok
[03:45] <sjoerd> cool.. i'll try to break my system one of these days with them then :)
[03:46] <pitti> daniels: BTW, enabling fbdev has been the default all the time in Sarge and Warty
[03:46] <daniels> rad
[03:46] <daniels> pitti: yeah
[03:51] <daniels> pitti: but it should fix the syncs everywhere
[03:51] <pitti> daniels: that would be nice :-)
[03:51] <daniels> pitti: prepared a patch now, seeing if it builds/applies (it's a very nice diversion from ^%*U#$ BIOS code), if it does I'll drop you another radeon_drv
[03:51] <pitti> daniels: that would mean UseFBDev no could be the shipped default for all platforms?
[03:52] <daniels> pitti: i'd hope so
[03:52] <sjoerd> pitti: do you have the current pmount source available somewhere, if got some time to dig through it toninght
[03:52] <sjoerd> s/if/i've/
[03:52] <pitti> sjoerd: you can always check out the arch tree
[03:53] <sjoerd> location ?
[03:53] <pitti> martin.pitt@canonical.com--2004
[03:53] <pitti>     sftp://pitti@chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com/home/warthogs/archives/martin.pitt@canonical.com--2004
[03:53] <pitti> sjoerd: oops, of course you have to s_sftp://pitti@_http_
[03:53] <elmo> pitti: err, that won't work either
[03:53] <pitti> elmo: right, the password
[03:54] <pitti> sjoerd: I just send you the current head
[03:54] <elmo> mirror it to rooekry?
[03:54] <daniels> pitti: can you please send me your XFree86.0.log? (yes, XFree86, not Xorg)
[03:55] <pitti> daniels: sure
[03:55] <pitti> booting again...
[03:58] <pitti> daniels: http://www.piware.de/XFree86.0.log
[03:59] <daniels> AIEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[03:59] <daniels> nothing changed!
[03:59] <bob2> daniels: no go
[04:00] <daniels> pitti: will throw you a new module later with the improved fwpll patch and some debugging
[04:00] <pitti> daniels: for X.org?
[04:00] <daniels> pitti: itmt, if you want to debug your X server, I would love you forever
[04:00] <daniels> pitti: yeah
[04:00] <bob2> daniels: all I seem to get is what looks like openfirmware
[04:00] <pitti> daniels: meaning, I shall install the debug package?
[04:01] <daniels> pitti: if you can start XFree86 (debug version) under gdb (WARNING -- MUST DO THIS REMOTELY, REALLY), put a breakpoint in RADEONGetBIOSParamaters and print the value of pInt10, that'd rock
[04:01] <daniels> pitti: yeah
[04:01] <daniels> bob2: using pitti's conffile, or?
[04:01] <bob2> hrm, wait, brb
[04:01] <daniels> bob2: (remember -- /etc/X11/xorg.conf)
[04:02] <bob2> yeah, I had usefbdev true, then false a few lines later
[04:02] <bob2> retesting
[04:03] <pitti> daniels: ugh, 51 MB. Download ETA 12 minutes...
[04:04] <daniels> pitti: yeah, sorry :\
[04:04] <daniels> pitti: (this is xserver-xfree86-dbg, right?)
[04:04] <pitti> daniels: oh, no
[04:04] <pitti> daniels: xorg
[04:04] <daniels> sorry
[04:04] <daniels> yeah, I kinda need XFree86 to debug the problem any further
[04:04] <pitti> daniels: downloading...
[04:04] <daniels> (i suspect that pInt10 == 0 for some bizzare reason on xorg)
[04:05] <pitti> what a pity that it removes my shiny new xserver-xorg :-)
[04:06] <daniels> heh
[04:06] <daniels> oh, hold on
[04:06] <daniels> the BIOS never gets found
[04:06] <daniels> ARGH.
[04:07] <pitti> ?
[04:07] <daniels> don't worry about -dbg, sorry
[04:07] <pitti> okay
[04:07] <daniels> sigh
[04:07] <pitti> anything else I can do for debugging that?
[04:07] <daniels> i'll just give you a radeon_drv for xorg with lots of debugging
[04:07] <daniels> wait until my build finishes ;)
[04:07] <pitti> okay
[04:08] <pitti> btw, girlfriend alert in about 40 minutes :-)
[04:08] <daniels> heh
[04:08] <daniels> that's possibly the one advantage of being on the other side of the world -- uninterrupted hacking
[04:08] <pitti> ;-)
[04:08] <daniels> otoh, i'm not sure it outweighs the negatives
[04:09] <pitti> well, it's a tradeoff - but I think doing other stuff than _only_ hacking, at least at the weekend, has its good sides
[04:09] <daniels> yeah
[04:09] <daniels> absolutely
[04:09] <daniels> but while I am over the other side of the world and doing not a whole lot much else, could you please throw up your Xorg.0.log? ;)
[04:09] <pitti> I'm just behind a NAT, so I cannot easily give you an account here
[04:09] <daniels> yeah, that's fine
[04:09] <pitti> daniels: well, if you do need an account for debugging, I can dig an SSH tunnel through my server
[04:10] <lamont> Keybuk: btw, zsh and screen want some keybuk-love
[04:10] <daniels> pitti: nah, it's OK thanks
[04:10] <daniels> pitti: plus, you don't want me debugging X on your box, just ask Kamion :)
[04:10] <pitti> daniels: you mean I shall backup my stuff first? :-)
[04:10] <daniels> pitti: his face went white in Oxford when I was in the middle of debugging something, and the screen suddenly went blank for a few seconds
[04:10] <daniels> pitti: nah, it'll just be unusable when I keep on starting X
[04:11] <pitti> daniels: I wouldn't be here anyway, so I could not frighten
[04:11] <daniels> ahr
[04:11] <pitti> but one after the other
[04:11] <daniels> if it's still a problem in a month, I'll just borrow your iBook or Kamion's Powerbook
[04:11] <pitti> daniels: go and visit .dk a bit
[04:11] <pitti> daniels: sure, in .es it will be easier
[04:11] <amu> daniels: yippi, xorg runs, the problem was /etc/X11/X wasn updated, if i link it by hand to xorg, without any configuration, and run startx, it works well
[04:11] <pitti> daniels: maybe this time I can actually keep and use my crossover cable :-)
[04:12] <daniels> heh
[04:12] <daniels> amu: oh, right
[04:12] <daniels> amu: rock
[04:12] <pitti> daniels: last time, I borrowed it to somebody and never found it 
[04:12] <daniels> amu: seems like XFree86 was loading X.Org modules?
[04:12] <daniels> pitti: ugh
[04:12] <daniels> pitti: i blame bob2
[04:12] <pitti> daniels: nevermind, I got a new one in the meantime :-)
[04:12] <daniels> pitti: yeah, I've been seeing a fair bit of Kbenhavn :) very, very nice place
[04:12] <daniels> pitti: ahr
[04:12] <pitti> daniels: make sure you enjoy the weekend with fabbione 
[04:12] <pitti> daniels: I mean APART from your laptop :-)
[04:13] <daniels> pitti: heh :)
[04:13] <amu> daniels: dont think so, Xfree was totally removed by xorg
[04:13] <daniels> pitti: yeah, I totally will
[04:13] <lamont> bbl
[04:13] <daniels> amu: and you didn't have xserver-xfree86-dbg or anything installed?
[04:13] <amu> now xorg & xorg-dbg 
[04:14] <daniels> elmo: ping
[04:14] <amu> rc  xserver-xfree8 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 the XFree86 X server
[04:14] <elmo> daniels: ?
[04:15] <lupus_> there are xorg packages?
[04:15] <daniels> elmo: how much ice cream would I need to buy you for you to test whether or not xorg works on your powerbook? (i very, very strongly suspect the answer is yes)
[04:15] <fabbione> amu: did you upgrade from sarge/sid or from warty?
[04:15] <pitti> daniels: "yes" as a reply to "how much"?
[04:16] <fabbione> yes = a lot ;)
[04:16] <amu> fabbione: a new & clean warty installation, upgraded to hoary
[04:16] <fabbione> amu;
[04:16] <daniels> pitti: yes -> it will almost certainly work
[04:16] <fabbione> the upgrade makes sure to change /etx/X11/X
[04:16] <fabbione> if it didn't that something went wrong from the beginning
[04:18] <elmo> daniels: dude, I'm 200 miles away from my desktop, my powerbook is my only computer right now
[04:18] <daniels> elmo: uhm
[04:18] <daniels> elmo: i'm pretty sure it will work? :)
[04:18] <pitti> elmo: works fine on iBook G4 (Radeon 9200)
[04:18] <Keybuk> lamont: keybuk love?
[04:18] <daniels> elmo: works on amu's as well
[04:19] <daniels> elmo: just need a last datapoint
[04:19] <daniels> elmo: but if you want to do it later that's cool also
[04:19] <elmo> daniels: I'd really prefer to wait till I'm home (tomorrow) if you don't mind - I've just got too much to do at the DC to throw in 'upgrade to hoary and install a new X' to the mix
[04:19] <daniels> elmo: sure, that's cool.  cheers.
[04:20] <daniels> (where are the other members of the fabled powerbook cabal when you need them?)
[04:20] <amu> fabbione: hmm it was like this, probably my mistake was running apt-get install xorg-dbg
[04:20] <pitti> sjoerd: http://www.piware.de/pmunt-head.tar.gz
[04:21] <pitti> sjoerd: have to go now, gf calls :-)
[04:21] <fabbione> amu: that's why i posted a specific procedure :-)
[04:21] <sjoerd> pitti: nice timing i just wanted to ask you :)
[04:21] <pitti> sjoerd: I'll return to my computer in about an hour, I suppose
[04:21] <sjoerd> 404
[04:21] <sjoerd> argh
[04:22] <sjoerd> daniels: i've got one, it just doesn't run ubuntu
[04:23] <amu> fabbione: are there other reports?  except me?
[04:24] <daniels> sjoerd: how do you feel like potentially breaking it?
[04:25] <sjoerd> daniels: not a big problem, but i'm leaving for home now
[04:25] <sjoerd> daniels: be back in an hour or two
[04:25] <fabbione> amu: nope
[04:25] <sjoerd> later
[04:26] <daniels> sjoerd: cool, thanks
[04:30] <lamont> Keybuk: monster-merge was the last upload of the package, which is ftbfs on 2 (zsh) or 3 (screen) architectures
[04:31] <Keybuk> oh, file bugs on me
[04:31] <Keybuk> I'll look over the weekend
[04:33] <lamont> Keyok
[04:33] <lamont> damn blind tab-typing
[04:34] <Keybuk> there is no "ok", so I can never be Keybok :(
[04:39] <daniels> keybot?
[04:44] <lupus_> bleh
[04:44] <lupus_> why is openoffice 2.0 devel in rpm :(
[04:44] <lupus_> I want deb packages :p
[05:00] <lamont> Keybuk: that's key<tab>ok
[05:01] <lamont> because, dammit, nicks should be unique in the first 3 chars...
[05:06] <lamont> keybuk: actually, screen isn't you
[05:06] <lamont> mdz: please sync bug#269366 from debain
[05:06] <lamont> debian
[05:06] <lamont> sigh
[05:07] <mdz> lamont: it's already there
[05:07] <lamont> seb128: would arts be you as well?
[05:07] <lamont> mdz: color me blind
[05:08] <seb128> lamont: not really
[05:08] <lamont> seb128: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3) (library qt-mt) not found.
[05:08] <lamont> guess I'll look at the configure output
[05:10] <zul> so any kde support yet?
[05:20] <lamont> zul: no plans for kde to be 'supported' on ubuntu that I know of, but it's known to work on warty/i386
[05:20] <lamont> ppc needs help
[05:20] <zul> because im looking for a way to help out
[05:21] <lamont> zul: current blocker for kde/hoary is arts, which is FTBFS on i386&ppc
[05:21] <zul> ftfbs?
[05:22] <lamont> fails to build from source
[05:22] <zul> ah..
[05:23] <lamont> unless someone else beats me to it
[05:23] <lamont> (arts is main, so I can play with it... :-)
[05:24] <lamont> sbcl, cmucl, ghc5 bootstrapped on i386
[05:30] <pitti> Hi mdz!
[05:31] <mdz> morning
[05:31] <seb128> hi mdz 
[05:32] <thom> morning oh fearless leader
[05:33] <seb128> mdz: we have already get several dups on bugzilla/list for #2384 this week, I think we should consider to upload the fix in warty
[05:39] <daniels> morning mdz
[05:39] <mdz> seb128: if you would like to do a warty-updates upload, the patch looks safe to me
[05:39] <seb128> ok thanks
[05:45] <fabbione> hey mdz
[05:46] <fabbione> mdz: can you test the patch i sent about the xml file please?
[05:46] <fabbione> mdz: and let me know if that fixes the problem for you?
[05:48] <elmo> mdz: why's 3118 assigned to me?
[05:48] <mdz> fabbione: yes, I need to boot one of the machines
[05:50] <mdz> elmo: because it was fixed in Debian and waiting for the new package to come in
[05:52] <fabbione> WARTY TIME!
[05:53] <lamont> fabbione: warty or hoary?
[05:53] <lamont> hoary is _MUCH_ easier to bootstrap./
[05:53] <fabbione> lamont: well... 
[05:53] <fabbione> HOARY TIME!
[05:53] <lamont> LOL
[05:53] <lamont> fabbione: start with a current sid chroot.  Build everything once.  use that archive to build a new chroot, and build everything there.
[05:54] <fabbione> i need to mount the table first
[05:54] <lamont> then get d-i working
[05:54] <fabbione> lamont: stop.. i need to first find a place where to mount it
[05:54] <fabbione> install it
[05:54] <fabbione> create the chroots
[05:54] <fabbione> and so on..
[05:54] <lamont> lol
[05:54] <fabbione> it will take some time
[05:54] <fabbione> since i killed my sparc mirror recently.. i think
[05:54] <lamont> fabbione: that was the 20 second version of the complete instruction set.
[05:54] <fabbione> lamont: ahah i know :-)
[05:54] <lamont> like I said, hoary is much easier.
[05:55] <fabbione> i need to learn the way of sbuild first
[05:55] <lamont> warty requires finding the right magic snapshot.debian.net spot, etc...
[05:55] <fabbione> and wait daniel buildd to finish
[05:55] <tseng> is hoary semi safe atm?
[05:55] <lamont> fabbione: if it's still being annoying next week, I can give you what I'm using on ia64...
[05:55] <lamont> tseng: some folks are self hosting.  safe is a relative term,.
[05:55] <fabbione> otherwise i won't have space where to store the debs
[05:56] <thom> tseng: it's fine here...
[05:56] <daniels> fwiw, I've given up on attempting to read /var/mail/daniels with mailx
[05:56] <tseng> ill give it a go perhaps
[05:56] <lamont> daniels: lol
[05:56] <daniels> doesn't scale well to 781 w-b/buildd messages
[05:56] <fabbione> lamont: nahh i will figure my way around it and bug you if i am really depressed :)
[05:56] <thom> heh
[05:56] <daniels> 492 built, 381 to go
[05:56] <fabbione> lamont: also.. next week is still Xsprint
[05:56] <fabbione> so i won't do anything fancy until the end
[05:56] <lamont> fabbione: yeah - I'm doing it without the benefit of wanna-build/buildd.  just good old sbulid and quinn-diff
[05:57] <lamont> and a shell script or two.
[05:57] <lamont> stage1 713
[05:57] <lamont> stage2 820
[05:57] <lamont> changes files on ia64
[05:57] <fabbione> lamont: i already some stuff scripted, but it uses pbuilder
[05:58] <fabbione> lamont: i would really like to find the time to learn the way of sbuild properly
[05:59] <daniels> sbuild -d h xorg_6.8.1-0.2
[05:59] <daniels> with -A if you want it to build arch: all stuff
[05:59] <lamont> fabbione: on my list of things to do is get our versions of sbuild, buildd, buildd-config, and gcc-opt consistant and happy for hoary
[06:01] <fabbione> lamont: i am not sure how much work X.org will give us in the next weeks, but if it is relatively low i might join you in preparing these things
[06:01] <lamont> seb128: you're not going to be happy with e-d-s...
[06:02] <fabbione> lamont: i have been doing X without any break for too long and i start to feel a bit tired of it
[06:02] <fabbione> i need a little "brain break"
[06:02] <lamont> fabbione: the biggest issue is that buildd-config conflicts with debootstrap now (both deliver warty.buildd...)
[06:02] <seb128> lamont: I'm building again, but in a pbuilder now
[06:02] <lamont> gcc-opt needs a little bit of love to do things a bit better than it does.
[06:02] <lamont> seb128: same error, fwiw
[06:03] <seb128> lamont: all the GNOME packages update the control with control.in in the clean target
[06:03] <seb128> lamont: and the stupid eds doesn't
[06:03] <daniels> daniels@trider-g7:~/build$ grep 'currently building' build-progress
[06:03] <daniels> openoffice.org_1.1.2-2ubuntu6: currently building
[06:03] <daniels> oh god.
[06:03] <seb128> lamont: just figured that I need to debian/rules update-control
[06:03] <lamont> daniels: hehe
[06:03] <daniels> fabbione: don't even breathe on trider, dude, I want the buildd to finish before I leave :P
[06:03] <lamont> daniels: openoffice.org:         06:29:18 (1 entry, sigma 00:00:00)
[06:03] <lamont> that's on our buildds
[06:03] <seb128> are we going to sync oo.o 1.1.3 ?
[06:03] <lamont> will require a merge, of course.
[06:04] <daniels> lamont: oh my god.
[06:05] <lamont> daniels: that's building arch-all as well
[06:05] <thom> seb128: yeah, it's on my list
[06:05] <fabbione> carlos: ping
[06:05] <lamont> without arch all, it's more like 4 hours.
[06:05] <seb128> thom: ok :)
[06:05] <lamont> openoffice.org:         04:38:19 (2 entries, sigma 02:21:50)
[06:05] <lamont> that's ppc
[06:05] <fabbione> daniels: no no.. i am not going to add more load on the trider-g7
[06:05] <daniels> lamont: phew, I don't think we're building with -A here
[06:05] <lamont> slower, but not building arch-all
[06:06] <fabbione> lamont: my machine is slow.. there is nothing to do about it atm
[06:06] <fabbione> and elmo doesn't want to gimme concordia
[06:06] <daniels> oh cool, OOo failed, seemingly
[06:06] <lamont> hehe
[06:06] <daniels> /proc needs to be mounted
[06:06] <lamont> daniels: yes
[06:06] <thom> daniels: yeah
[06:06] <thom> OOo is no fun
[06:06] <lamont> several things require /proc in the chroot
[06:07] <thom> WTF? this is fucking weird - that fakeroot bug only happens in a chroot
[06:07] <fabbione> lamont: we should write a policy for it
[06:07] <carlos> fabbione: pong
[06:07] <daniels> lamont: yeah, I've got about 5/6 failed on /proc
[06:07] <fabbione> carlos: do you have time to do a test for me?
[06:07] <Mithrandir> thom: no, not really.. it shouldn't.
[06:07] <thom> on my amd64, i can build just fine on a hoary system, but in a chroot on the same system i get the segfault
[06:08] <carlos> fabbione: if it does not requiere to reboot my computer, yes
[06:08] <fabbione> carlos: no reboots, probably (not even sure) a logout/login on X
[06:08] <lamont> applying patch 21-asn-negative-length to ./ .../usr/share/dpatch/dpatch-run:
[06:08] <lamont> +/usr/share/dpatch/dpatch-run: No such file or directory
[06:08] <lamont> bad squid
[06:08] <thom> Mithrandir: there is something very freaky going on here
[06:09] <carlos> fabbione: ok, tell me
[06:09] <Mithrandir> thom: kernel issues, possibly?
[06:09] <lamont> fabbione: I have "so you want to port ubuntu to arch X, supported by debian" and "so you want to build your own bits" papers to write
[06:09] <thom> Mithrandir: i guess it must be, but why only in a chroot
[06:10] <fabbione> carlos: as root edit the following file: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale/locale.alias
[06:10] <fabbione> carlos: go to en_GB section
[06:10] <Mithrandir> thom: make sure devpts is mounted
[06:11] <lamont> thom: fwiw, still dies with a good amd64 system outside the chroot...
[06:11] <carlos> fabbione: I'm there
[06:11] <thom> Mithrandir: can you do that on ravel?
[06:11] <fabbione> carlos: and add en_GB.UTF-8<tab_as_manytimes_as_needed>en_GB.UTF-8
[06:11] <fabbione> save the file
[06:11] <pitti> elmo: some food for you is arriving :-)
[06:12] <fabbione> carlos: you might have to logout and login again to see if that fixes the problem
[06:12] <daniels> lamont: so, er, see you in February?
[06:12] <Mithrandir> thom: done
[06:12] <lamont> Feb?
[06:12] <daniels> lamont: the papers
[06:12] <carlos> fabbione: I have already an entry for en_GB.utf-8
[06:13] <thom> Mithrandir: still segv
[06:13] <lamont> heh - hoping to get them written this month
[06:13] <carlos> en_GB.utf8                                      en_GB.UTF-8
[06:13] <lamont> _before_ hoary freezes... it's harder if we froze
[06:13] <Mithrandir> thom: what is the command line you're using?
[06:13] <daniels> lamont: a friend of mine who admins huge clusters asked about a very small, specific problem, and got the 'so, you've just bought a 300-node cluster' manual
[06:13] <lamont> it's more of a cookbook..  many steps are prefaced by "do whatever it takes to...."
[06:13] <thom> Mithrandir: fakeroot dpkg-shlibdeps debian/mozilla-firefox/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/libsmime3.so >/dev/null segfaults, dropping the fakeroot from the front doesn't
[06:14] <lamont> daniels: heh
[06:14] <Mithrandir> thom: weird; running it as root doesn't segfault
[06:14] <thom> no
[06:16] <fabbione> carlos: it's case sensitive
[06:16] <fabbione> carlos: note the UTF8
[06:16] <carlos> ok
[06:16] <thom> Mithrandir: you see the segfault as a normal user though, right?
[06:17] <carlos> I cannot logout at this moment, but then I could test other thing...
[06:17] <mdz> fabbione: your patch fixes the bug for me as well
[06:17] <fabbione> mdz: cool.. because it's already in for 0.3 :-)
[06:18] <carlos> hhm, ok I need to logout/login
[06:18] <mdz> fabbione: do you have a todo list for what needs to be done before uploading to hoary?
[06:18] <daniels> mdz: yes
[06:18] <fabbione> mdz: yes
[06:18] <Mithrandir> thom: yes.
[06:19] <fabbione> mdz: we need to have the buildd run completed and that is happening in parallel to:
[06:19] <daniels> Mithrandir: aww, you broke up the flow
[06:19] <fabbione> 1) branding
[06:19] <fabbione> 2) patch reviewing
[06:19] <fabbione> 3) import stuff from Debian trunk
[06:19] <fabbione> 4) fix ati driver for ppc
[06:19] <daniels> mdz: a) see buildd run out, b) branding, c) patch audit, d) merge fwpll patch for ati/powerpc, e) break out shared libraries, f) trunk merge (no particular order)
[06:19] <fabbione> 5) prepare all the other packages that needs to be fixed and go in in sequence
[06:19] <daniels> g) steal patches from 6.8 branch as needed
[06:19] <fabbione> well
[06:20] <fabbione> daniels was typing faster :-)
[06:20] <daniels> although g is not strictly necessary pre-hoary as it's not an orginisational thing
[06:20] <fabbione> but that's the stuff more or less
[06:20] <daniels> or however you spell the stupid word
[06:20] <fabbione> z) get gtk a clue on copy&paste
[06:21] <fabbione> hem give
[06:21] <mdz> z) can wait :-)
[06:21] <Mithrandir> thom: something is on amusingly large amounts of crack:
[06:21] <daniels> ) murder xprint and xaw in their sleep
[06:21] <Mithrandir> fakeroot sh -c 'LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1  dpkg-shlibdeps debian/mozilla-firefox/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/libsmime3.so > /dev/null'
[06:21] <Mithrandir> /usr/bin/perl: error while loading shared libraries: libdl.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:21] <fabbione> mdz: well that's why it is marked z
[06:21] <daniels> (i'm told this sorts after z in dansk)
[06:21] <mdz> fabbione: yes, but the list was supposed to be prerequisites for hoary
[06:22] <daniels> ) make default implementation build really quicker
[06:22] <daniels> and of course, ') steal concordia
[06:22] <thom> Mithrandir: um, rock
[06:22] <Mithrandir> thom: so it might be TLS-related.. somehow.
[06:22] <fabbione> mdz: dude.. we are 3 days ahead of work and we are still working hard. let's get as much as we can while daniels is here
[06:22] <fabbione> mdz: some of the stuff like the ati driver for ppc is important
[06:23] <thom> Mithrandir: *covers eyes*
[06:23] <fabbione> mdz: we will hit the archive around tuesday
[06:23] <mdz> fabbione: agreed
[06:23] <fabbione> mdz: so that we will have 3 more days to crack together
[06:23] <daniels> mdz: don't forget also that we still have things to do to ease the transition around grumpy
[06:23] <fabbione> mdz: but not before buildd will finish
[06:23] <daniels> ... concordia ...
[06:23] <thom> Mithrandir: oh no, amd64 port problems are all you :-)
[06:24] <sjoerd> daniels: still interested in breaking my system ? :)
[06:24] <carlos> fabbione: same problem
[06:24] <daniels> thom: so who's maintaining firefox onw?
[06:24] <Mithrandir> thom: I never asked for TLS to be turned on for amd64.  That's just crackful. :)
[06:24] <daniels> sjoerd: fo'shizzle
[06:24] <fabbione> carlos: ok.. sorry.. my ideas are limited.. but it's an harmless gtk error
[06:24] <thom> daniels: me. Mithrandir just needs to fix fakeroot :-)
[06:24] <fabbione> carlos: coming from xlibs
[06:25] <thom> Mithrandir: *g*
[06:25] <Mithrandir> thom: I seriously need to kill you sometime.
[06:25] <carlos> fabbione: I know it's harmless, don't worry
[06:25] <Mithrandir> thom: I'll see what I can do.
[06:25] <daniels> mdz: oh, and to drag a list discussion in here
[06:26] <thom> (assuming i don't lose all my cash playing poker with wil wheaton in vegas)
[06:26] <daniels> mdz: the most amusing part of splitting the modular tree right is when you realise that four libs use internal (i.e. FooI.h) Xt headers
[06:26] <daniels> mdz: so you actually need to install the entire suite of 'internal' Xt headers in its -dev package for craptastic cruft like Xaw to build
[06:27] <Mithrandir> thom: can't you bring some real beer from .uk?
[06:27] <daniels> thom: have they ever considered going anywhere else?
[06:27] <Mithrandir> thom: if you do that, I might forgive you.
[06:27] <thom> Mithrandir: certainly
[06:27] <daniels> thom: i mean, surely you'd get more work done if it wasn't for the prettyflashyshinylights
[06:27] <thom> daniels: seems not
[06:27] <daniels> Mithrandir: why from .uk? wouldn't it be easier to just get it straight from .au?
[06:28] <Mithrandir> daniels: you make decent beer in .au?
[06:28] <daniels> Mithrandir: fo'sho
[06:28] <Mithrandir> daniels: then you bring some as well, next time, and we'll see.
[06:28] <Mithrandir> .no doesn't make much good beer, sorrily.
[06:28] <daniels> Mithrandir: er, I won't be in Australia in between now and .es
[06:29] <Mithrandir> daniels: then get some other aussie to bring some, or bring it for decconf+1
[06:29] <thom> right, fireworks time
[06:29] <thom> ciao
[06:29] <daniels> Mithrandir: we won't need to bring it for december+4 (tentatively titled 'april'), seemingly
[06:29] <daniels> thom: seeya dude
[06:30] <daniels> Mithrandir: although canberra isn't a part of australia, so we'll still need to import the coopers ;)
[06:30] <Mithrandir> daniels: whatever.  Bring me beer! :)
[06:30] <daniels> Mithrandir: it shall be done
[06:36] <Mithrandir> thom: it seems fakeroot messes around with LD_LIBRARY_PATH and preloads stuff..
[06:37] <Mithrandir> LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libfakeroot.so.0 LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1  /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 debian/mozilla-firefox/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/libsmime3.so
[06:37] <Mithrandir> Segmentation fault
[06:37] <Mithrandir> boom
[06:38] <Mithrandir> looks like a normal bug somewhere in fakeroot to ge.
[06:38] <Mithrandir> s/ge/me
[06:42] <pitti> lamont: got half a minute?
[06:42] <lamont> literally
[06:42] <pitti> lamont: I'm afraid the debs of my squid upload have vanished somewhere
[06:43] <pitti> lamont: I uploaded to the security queue over an hour ago, and the accepted queue is empty
[06:45] <mdz> seb128: firefox doesn't seem to want to open .pls files with rhythmbox, but with totem instead
[06:45] <mdz> seb128: I didn't think that totem could even read .pls files, but surely rhythmbox is a better default
[06:45] <mdz> seb128: is this a firefox issue or a rhythmbox one?
[06:47] <seb128> mdz: neither of them, that's the mime system
[06:47] <seb128> Desktop files associated with audio/x-scpls
[06:47] <seb128> XMMS.desktop
[06:47] <seb128> totem.desktop
[06:47] <seb128> rhythmbox.desktop
[06:47] <seb128> here
[06:48] <seb128> and it picks the last one in the alphabetic list IIRC
[06:48] <mdz> hmm
[06:48] <mdz> how can we fix it?
[06:48] <seb128> mdz: could you add a audio/x-scpls=rhythmbox.desktop in /etc/gnome/defaults.list ?
[06:48] <seb128> and test if that fixes the problem
[06:49] <fabbione> pitti: ping
[06:49] <pitti> fabbione: pong
[06:49] <mdz> seb128: ah, defaults.list has audio/x-scpls=totem.desktop
[06:49] <fabbione> pitti: 2327, it's probably time to take a look to it.
[06:50] <seb128> mdz: ok, that's it probably (if firefox uses the mimesystem correctly)
[06:50] <fabbione> pitti: i would like you to discuss it with the ppc community and come up with the proper fix/solution
[06:50] <mdz> seb128: yes, that fixes it
[06:50] <seb128> ok
[06:50] <seb128> please open a bug on desktop-file-utils as a reminder
[06:50] <mdz> ok
[06:50] <seb128> I'll fix that in the next upload
[06:51] <pitti> fabbione: can we do that maybe at the mailing list? We might reach a broader audience there
[06:51] <fabbione> pitti: sure.. do it in the way you prefer, but my knowledge of ppc is limited
[06:51] <fabbione> pitti: i need someone that understand the problem 100% to talk with the ppc community
[06:51] <pitti> fabbione: okay, I will write a mail with the details
[06:51] <fabbione> and i am not in the position to do it
[06:51] <pitti> fabbione: I think I have a decent understanding of the problem and impacts
[06:52] <sjoerd> daniels: sig11 ;)
[06:52] <fabbione> that's why i am asking you
[06:52] <daniels> sjoerd: ugh
[06:52] <pitti> fabbione: added to my ~/.todo :-)
[06:52] <daniels> sjoerd: do you have xserver-xorg installed?  what version?
[06:52] <sjoerd> 6.8.1-0.2
[06:52] <daniels> sjoerd: i suspect it's launching the xfree86 server instead -- with Debian, you might need to force Xorg
[06:52] <daniels> oh wow
[06:53] <daniels> what happens if you run sudo Xorg :1 -ac -verbose 9999999999999, from a terminal
[06:53] <sjoerd> it complains about unresolved in libGLcor.a
[06:53] <fabbione> sjoerd: that's normal
[06:53] <fabbione> nothing to worry about it
[06:53] <Mithrandir> fabbione: do you know if anything has happened to the sparc port?
[06:53] <ogra> hi guys
[06:53] <Mithrandir> I recently came across a small cache of U5 and similar boxes.
[06:53] <daniels> sjoerd: if you could put the full Xorg.0.log somewhere, that would be rad
[06:53] <daniels> Mithrandir: well, fabbione just got his sparc back today
[06:54] <daniels> I have an U5 at home too that I should get going ... after Christmas,
[06:54] <sjoerd> ah i had the wrong resolution configured still..
[06:54] <sjoerd> now it starts, but the screen turns white slowly
[06:55] <ogra> i'm looking for a method to get a udi listing for hal on the commandline or in perl ....
[06:55] <fabbione> Mithrandir: i got my sparc back today
[06:55] <daniels> sjoerd: ... wha?
[06:55] <daniels> sjoerd: a slow fade to white?  does it stay at full white?
[06:55] <sjoerd> ogra: lshal
[06:55] <fabbione> Mithrandir: planning to put it online sometimes during the weekend
[06:55] <ogra> sjoerd: thanks ;)
[06:55] <Mithrandir> fabbione: ok, do you know if we're aiming for a hoary sparc?
[06:55] <sjoerd> daniels: slow fade to all kind of colors 
[06:56] <daniels> sjoerd: bonnnng ... you don't have any horizsync/vertrefresh/whatever lines in?
[06:56] <daniels> sjoerd: does Option "UseFWPLL" help?
[06:56] <daniels> sjoerd: can you put your Xorg.0.log up somewhere?
[06:56] <daniels> (does your mother's maiden name start with a F, and was she born on a Sunday?)
[06:57] <fabbione> Mithrandir: well lamont said that it is much easier to bootstrap hoary than warty.. so i guess yes
[06:57] <Mithrandir> fabbione: cool. :)
[06:57] <fabbione> Mithrandir: once i have the buildd at stage2 i will start uploading the packages somewhere
[06:57] <fabbione> Mithrandir: the problem is d-i
[06:57] <Mithrandir> fabbione: so you're setting up a buildd and such?
[06:57] <fabbione> having only one sparc is difficult to test
[06:57] <fabbione> Mithrandir: yup
[06:57] <Mithrandir> I can get you more sparcs easily, but I'm not sure I can give away ultras.
[06:58] <Mithrandir> so that's not too usable
[06:58] <fabbione> Mithrandir: for me console access would be fine
[06:58] <sjoerd> daniels: removed modelines, added UseFWPLL true.. still the same
[06:58] <Mithrandir> fabbione: that should be easy to get.
[06:59] <fabbione> Mithrandir: and a setup where i can change the kernel/initrd.gz to boot via network is enough
[06:59] <sjoerd> daniels: do you have ipv6 or just ipv4 ?
[06:59] <daniels> sjoerd: could you please paste your full config and log?
[06:59] <daniels> yah, ipv6
[06:59] <Mithrandir> fabbione: I really want to get that box set up somewhere which is !bedroom, though.
[06:59] <Mithrandir> or I think my gf will really, really, _really_ kill me.
[06:59] <fabbione> Mithrandir: eheheh
[06:59] <seb128> lamont: ah ah, evolution-data-server built this time :p
[06:59] <fabbione> Mithrandir: it will take quite sometime to reach phase2
[06:59] <fabbione> so there is no rush.. trust me
[07:00] <Mithrandir> fabbione: Karianne and I are moving together in the summer and we're certainly going to have a place for servers (she's not as geeky as I, but fairly close), so at least then it should be fine.
[07:01] <fabbione> ehehe cool!
[07:01] <fabbione> i am happy about that
[07:01] <sjoerd> daniels: http://spring.luon.net/~sjoerd/Xorg.1.log
[07:01] <sjoerd> daniels: and http://spring.luon.net/~sjoerd/xorg.conf
[07:02] <daniels> (WW) RADEON(0): You may not have enough display bandwidth for current mode
[07:02] <daniels> If you have flickering problem, try to lower resolution, refresh rate, or color depth
[07:02] <daniels> does switching to a lower depth help?
[07:03] <sjoerd> 16 bpp same problem
[07:03] <daniels> sjoerd: try removing HorizSync/VertRefresh lines
[07:04] <Mithrandir> do we have madison or something like it?
[07:04] <sjoerd> daniels: same with twho black lines in the middle
[07:04] <froud> Under what group would you define training materials in a spec file "Documentation / HTML" or "Documentation / Other"?
[07:06] <sjoerd> oh UseFBdev true works :)
[07:06] <daniels> sjoerd: ... hm
[07:06] <daniels> pitti: ping
[07:06] <mdz> seb128: another problem I have is that when rhythmbox finishes playing a stream over http, it pops up an error dialog "Unexpected end of stream!" and stops
[07:06] <sjoerd> strange with Xfree UseFBDev gave troubles
[07:07] <Mithrandir> thom: does LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libfakeroot.so.0 LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1  /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 debian/mozilla-firefox/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/libsmime3.so segfault only in the chroot?
[07:07] <mdz> seb128: even though the end of the stream is actually expected
[07:07] <seb128> mdz: do you have a stream uri to test that ?
[07:09] <mdz> seb128: I can provide one
[07:09] <sjoerd> gotta eat
[07:09] <daniels> sjoerd: i'll throw you a new radeon_drv in a sec
[07:10] <daniels> seb128: please ask owen taylor about it
[07:11] <daniels> he knows more about this stuff than myself and fabio have forgotten
[07:11] <mdz> seb128: I looked at the code, and it seems that it is written to always give that error when a stream ends, without even checking the reason
[07:11] <daniels> what's more, he's the main gtk guy ;)
[07:11] <mdz> seb128: I think because it is written for internet radio, rather than streaming files over http
[07:11] <seb128> mdz: I'll update rb from 0.8.5 -> 0.8.8 now, let's see if that's fixed with the update first
[07:11] <seb128> mdz: probably yes
[07:12] <seb128> daniels: ok
[07:12] <seb128> daniels: but I doubt that's a GTK+ bug, owen would have fixed it upstream
[07:13] <daniels> seb128: selections and the interactions to do with them are notoriously complex
[07:13] <daniels> if it was a xorg 6.8 thing, a lot of people would've bitched very loudly
[07:14] <seb128> daniels: ok, will ping owen about this, that's the best to do :)
[07:14] <seb128> daniels: I've no idea on how to debug this
[07:15] <daniels> i have no will to
[07:15] <seb128> he he
[07:15] <daniels> seriously, in between Xaw/Xt and GTK ... it's massively complex
[07:15] <seb128> but somebody will have to ... hopefully owen will be helpful :)
[07:15] <daniels> otaylor will know it an order of magnitude better than I
[07:15] <daniels> yeah, he's a very, very smart guy
[07:17] <mdz> seb128: I also discovered some confusing behaviour in the process of testing this
[07:17] <seb128> oh ?
[07:17] <mdz> seb128: when the error dialog comes up, it appears on the current desktop
[07:17] <seb128> hum, why don't we have a bug report about the rhythmbox merging ?
[07:18] <mdz> and if rhythmbox is elsewhere, the window becomes unresponsive
[07:18] <seb128> unstable has 0.8.8 and hoary 0.8.5
[07:18] <seb128> mdz: ok, that's happening for several app :/
[07:18] <mdz> I would expect that if the rhythmbox window is hidden, and I click on the panel icon, it would bring up both the window and the error dialog together
[07:18] <seb128> I've it frequently with epiphany too
[07:18] <seb128> yeah
[07:19] <mdz> I thought this worked in the past, but maybe I am thinking of something else
[07:21] <sjoerd> daniels: k
[07:21] <pitti> daniels: pong, sorry, phone
[07:21] <mdz> seb128: hmm, we need a debhelper merge in order to build it
[07:22] <pitti> lamont: may I bother you again? This time, squid did not build on amd64... (soooooory)
[07:22] <seb128> mdz: hum, no. I'll merge it now
[07:22] <pitti> lamont: at least, it was not uploaded to the queue
[07:23] <seb128> mdz: why do we need a debhelper merge ?
[07:23] <mdz> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 4.2.22) 
[07:23] <seb128> oups
[07:23] <mdz>  debhelper | 4.2.21ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Sources
[07:23] <seb128> ok, I've already merged it in fact
[07:23] <daniels> pitti: no worries
[07:23] <seb128> and I've bumped the Build-Deps too high
[07:23] <seb128> 4.2.21 is enough
[07:24] <Mithrandir> ok, the segfault is TLS-related.
[08:04] <sjoerd> daniels: starting aterm with the composite extension on crashes the server btw..
[08:04] <daniels> sjoerd: awesome
[08:04] <daniels> not surprising though
[08:07] <sjoerd> daniels: that's just generic composite immaturity or .. ?
[08:27] <cenerentola> jdub: are you there?
[08:34] <ChrisH> fabbione: I have set up an IRC log of the #ubuntu-* channels on http://workaround.org/cgi-bin/irc (beta). sivang told me that he asked you to put up a log. He didn't know I was working on it already.
[08:37] <tseng> sorry if i missed this somewhere, but was was the rationale for choosing bogofilter over spamassassin?
[08:37] <tseng> bogofilter so far has been alot less successful for me
[08:37] <tseng> after a few weeks of training
[08:43] <mdz> faster, simpler, more stable and more supportable
[08:51] <mdz> seb128: rhythmbox ftbfs
[08:51] <mdz> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/r/rhythmbox/0.8.8-1ubuntu1/
[08:52] <mdz> seb128: it seems the build-depends change did not take effect
[08:52] <seb128> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/r/rhythmbox/0.8.5-1ubuntu2/
[08:52] <seb128> are successful
[08:52] <seb128> 1 was the old one
[08:52] <seb128> 2 is today's one
[08:52] <mdz> 0.8.8 > 0.8.5
[08:52] <seb128> hum
[08:53] <mdz> After installing, the following source dependencies are still unsatisfied:
[08:53] <mdz> debhelper(inst 4.2.21ubuntu1 ! >= wanted 4.2.22)
[08:53] <mdz> Source-dependencies not satisfied; skipping rhythmbox
[08:53] <seb128> rhythmbox_0.8.8-1ubuntu2_source.upload
[08:53] <seb128> I've uploaded this one
[08:53] <seb128> one hour go
[08:53] <seb128> s/go/ago/
[08:53] <seb128> the 0.8.8-1ubuntu1 is one week old
[08:55] <seb128> 
[08:55] <seb128> hum, evolution 2.1.0 is ftbfsing
[08:58] <stratus> Are you planning to put beagle in hoary? I guess not because it's buggy and written in c#, but...
[08:59] <tseng> i dont think beagle is hoary material, but id like to see the deps go in so its not such a PITA to build
[09:01] <stratus> tseng, oic
[09:03] <cenerentola> jeff:jdub?
[09:03] <seb128> tseng: what's missing for the deps ?
[09:03] <stratus> mono?
[09:04] <seb128> mono is in
[09:04] <stratus> universe
[09:05] <stratus> seb128, read: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BeagleInstallHowto
[09:06] <seb128> stratus: using universe is not a PITA for the build imho
[09:06] <seb128> stratus: tseng was probably speaking about extra stuff missing
[09:07] <stratus> seb128, maybe inotify.
[09:18] <daniels> sjoerd: generic composite immaturity, yah
[09:20] <sjoerd> daniels: did you have a new radeon_drv to test or ?
[09:20] <daniels> yeah, just finished building while I was out to dinner
[09:22] <daniels> http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xorg/radeon_drv.o
[09:23] <daniels> there you go.  if your cat spontaneously catches fire because of that driver, not my fault, and all that.
[09:23] <daniels> you might want to try various combinations of usefwpll and/or usefbdev
[09:23] <daniels> when pitti comes back, if someone could point him to that and tell him that should work with *just* usefwpll, that would be great, thanks
[09:23] <daniels> right now i'm off to the hotel to crash into bed
[09:23] <daniels> very, very tired
[09:23] <daniels> goodnight all
[09:24] <sjoerd> daniels: thanks
[09:24] <sjoerd> daniels: have a good night of sleep :)
[09:24] <daniels> no worries, good luck
[09:24] <daniels> i sure will
[09:24] <daniels> and a good morning of sleep, and probably a good afternoon of sleep if I don't get bed sores by then ;)
[09:24] <sjoerd> hehe
[09:39] <mdz_> seb128: strange; I am not able to reproduce that glade-2/gnomedb thing
[09:46] <seb128> mdz_: weird, the soname has changed apparently ...
[09:47] <seb128> $ ls /usr/lib/libgnomedb*
[09:47] <seb128> /usr/lib/libgnomedb-2.so.1  /usr/lib/libgnomedb-2.so.1.1.0
[09:51] <mdz_> zsh: no matches found: /usr/lib/libgnomedb*
[09:51] <mdz_> seb128: on my system it is not even linked with libgnomedb
[09:53] <seb128> oh
[09:53] <seb128> you don't have the -gnome version ?
[09:53] <seb128> glade-gnome-2
[09:53] <mdz> ah
[09:53] <mdz> I installed glade-2 because that is where the bug was reported
[09:54] <seb128> hum, I'm wondering why the rhythmbox build logs are not here
[09:54] <seb128> I've uploaded the package like 2 hours ago
[09:55] <mdz> I did not see it on hoary-changes
[09:55] <seb128> Accepted:
[09:55] <seb128> rhythmbox_0.8.8-1ubuntu2.diff.gz
[09:55] <seb128> Announcing to hoary-changes@lists.ubuntu.com
[09:55] <seb128> I got the ACCEPTED mail
[09:55] <seb128> and I've it in my hoary-changes folder
[09:56] <seb128> Fri,  5 Nov 2004 18:30:03 +0000 (GMT)  (19:30 CET)
[10:09] <Mitario> hi everyone
[11:00] <Calvin> anyone knows where i can get hold of fabbione's fix : xfree86_4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu24 ??