MFeni have a list of packages i need to fix... is there anyway to express to apt-get "please install the most recent version of all these packages that comes from ubuntu" ?12:00
janiceMatt| I don't have connectivity yet, although the wireless option does appear in the Network settings | connectivity window. I suspect I don't have connectivity because I did not specify a channel. Where do I specify a channel for the wireless?12:00
WWdmzen: I can't help you, but maybe this can: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=193512:00
Elroy-Jmfen, maybe turn off unstable.....then use apt-get upgrade.....or synaptic12:01
MFeni've already removed the unstable archive, i just need to know how to select only the most recent version from the existing archive12:01
dmzenthanks WW12:01
MFenElroy-J: apt-get upgrade isn't going to do jack. all the unstable packages are already newer than the ubuntu packages.. that's the main problem12:01
MFenand synaptic doesn't have a way to select an archive at all12:01
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Elroy-Jmfen, oh.....i see..........idk then12:01
WWDoes dist-upgrade revert?12:02
MFeni know i can do apt-get install package=version and get the right version, but i have to find out the exact version for 70+ packages12:02
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Matt|janice, i did not need to specify a channel12:03
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Matt|janice, it seemed to detect it automatically12:03
Matt|janice, do you have WEP activated on the router?12:05
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Matt|if so, stick in the WEP code12:05
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janiceMatt| No, WEP.12:06
x0563511can anyone help me with something? I need to set smbmnt as suid root12:06
Matt|does anyone know how to allow people to see directory listings when using apache?12:07
x0563511can anyone help me with something? I need to set smbmnt as suid root12:07
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Matt|sorry x0563511 i don't know12:08
x0563511google time12:08
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MFenanyone know how to set the12:09
MFenanyone know how to set the  Pin property in /etc/apt/preferences so i select only ubuntu packages?12:09
WWMFen: I'm don't have an answer for you, but I'm curious how to fix your problem.  You have sources.list set back to the standard repositories?12:12
MFenWW: correct12:12
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WWMFen: So you need something like apt-get dist-upgrade that will actually install older versions over your current versions?12:13
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MFenWW: correct. i just solved it! yay me12:13
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WWMFen: What did you do?12:13
MFenok, in /etc/apt/preferences12:13
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MFenPackage: *12:14
MFenPin: release a=warty12:14
MFenPin-Priority: 1001 # anything >100012:14
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WWMFen: Ah, cool.12:14
MFenapt_preferences is not very friendly, but i found the right part of the man page12:15
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chibifsHm. :/12:18
WWMFen is on the road to apt guru-hood. :)12:18
Ruffian|JANE|Someone say RuffianSoldier12:20
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Ruffian|JANE|I mean, Ruffian12:21
Ruffian|JANE|someone just say my name12:21
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nathanieldelaneyhow do I show the side pane in nautilus?12:22
WWRuffian|JANE|: Hey12:22
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aPT-DRiNKwhich desktop does ubuntu ship with? :)12:25
aPT-DRiNKand kde isn't supported at all?12:25
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JStrikeaPT-DRiNK : no12:26
jiefubuntu-base is a metapackage right?12:26
JStrikeBut nothing is stopping you from installing it12:26
Mithrandirjief: yes.12:26
jiefthought so. no harm in removing it12:26
MFeni'm not sure what "supported" even means in this context12:26
nathanieldelaneyhow do I show the side pane in nautilus?12:26
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Mithrandirjief: just look at the description12:27
JStrikesupported means it is in main12:27
linux_mafiasupported == if it breaks, you may approach a dev with the pieces, otherwise you get to keep them, heh12:28
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MFenlinux_mafia: heh, ok12:28
Hikaru79Does anyone know if the "LinkSys Wireless-G PrintServer for USB 2.0" (Model #WPS54GU2) will work under Linux, or is it a Windows-only piece of hardware?12:29
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aPT-DRiNKMFen: just asked if it was packaged12:30
aPT-DRiNKmany of u r going to mataro?12:31
MFenaPT-DRiNK: you can add a sid repository, install kde, and then remove sid12:31
jdubugh, don't do that12:32
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jdubjust install kde from universe12:32
ograMFen: kde is packaged12:32
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MFenjdub: what's the difference?12:32
JStrikeThe oddness of using Ubuntu and then installing KDE gets to me. Aren't there dozens of debian based KDE distro's ?12:32
JStrikeYou miss out on one of the main points of ubuntu12:33
spacey`kioh ok thats not debian base12:33
aPT-DRiNKJStrike: so ubuntu is only worth a try if u love gnome or what?12:33
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aPT-DRiNKit has no more arguments?12:33
jdubMFen: the difference is that at least ubuntu is built against ubuntu. we do *not* recommend mixing repositories.12:33
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JStrikespacey`ki : Suse is rpm based12:33
spacey`kiJStrike, yes i know, i was just thinking about kde for a moment12:34
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jiefi think i might have found a bug12:34
nathanieldelaneyif mount point c does not exist, can i create it?12:34
ograaPT-DRiNK: what about small footprint12:34
spacey`kimkdir c12:34
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billytwowillyI found a bug. mplayer no longer displays..12:34
JStrikeaPT-DRiNK : Basically. That what it is built around and what makes it different12:34
choudeshwhere are the kernel sources?12:34
spacey`kibillytwowilly, you sure you have the codecs?12:34
ograaPT-DRiNK: full hotplug/dbus/hal support12:34
aPT-DRiNKaPT-DRiNK: what makes ubuntu different is that it uses gnome??12:34
MFenall right, universe then12:34
aPT-DRiNKogra: good point...12:35
JStrikespacey`ki : Add Lispire and Lycoris12:35
billytwowillyspacey`ki,  could I send you an output privately? I've never encountered the way it fails.12:35
aPT-DRiNKbut i think it's not the first gnome-based distro, right?12:35
spacey`kiJStrike, ok :p12:35
ograaPT-DRiNK: a "JustWorks" (tm) approach for everything (no fiddling with setups, configs(12:35
JStrikeaPT-DRiNK : First entirely Gnome based.12:36
Phr0stByteogra: cept a Wacom USB drawing tablet12:36
chibifsOh! On the subject of wacoms :o12:36
Phr0stBytechibifs: got info?12:36
ograPhr0stByte: _approach_ (and i guess it will be in hoary)12:36
chibifsSomeone needs to compile the graphire 3compatible wacom driver :/12:37
billytwowillycould I send someone the output from mplayer to tell me what is wrong?12:37
chibifsIt's not in the official kernel or x branches.12:37
choudeshCan someone help me? what is the path for kernel source?12:37
choudeshI need this for ndiswrapper12:37
Phr0stBytechibifs: the module is in the kernel AND enabled by default12:37
Phr0stBytechibifs: its just broken12:38
chibifsIt's old.12:38
chibifsIt doesn't support the Graphire or Intous 312:38
ograchoudesh: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/12:38
Phr0stBytechibifs: in the 2.6.8 kernel12:38
chibifsReguardless of wether it's in the kernel or not, it's not in the X server.12:39
billytwowillythe output from mplayer is here: http://pastebin.com/11692612:39
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Phr0stBytechibifs: thats just a matter of editing your XF86Config12:39
Dre[A] mcatcheranyone mind helping me with 2 questions?12:39
IRCMonkeyIs anyone here familiar with Ubuntu on PPC based systems? Specifically is the partitioning during installation non-destructive to HFS+ file systems? The documentation on their web site seems to imply this.12:40
billytwowillyDre[A] mcatcher, it's been my experience that you get better help if you just ask instead of asking to ask.12:40
chibifsNo, Phr0st. It's not in it. That's an old driver. :/12:40
Dre[A] mcatcherk12:40
Phr0stBytechibifs: all I know is that I hope it works sometime soon - my wife threw away the box, so I cant return it12:41
Dre[A] mcatcheri was wondering: 1) is it possible in xchat to change how transparent the background is to like 10% or something cause when i set the transparancy option its way to transparent and 2) im using a dualbooted system grub loads ubuntu by default but what do i need to do to make it load windows by default?12:41
billytwowillyany ideas on why mplayer won't work? output from mplayer is here: http://pastebin.com/11692612:41
chibifsWe need to get someone to compile it. I've done it myself, but it would be nice as a default.12:41
Phr0stBytechibifs: is yours working?12:43
billytwowillyDre[A] mcatcher, you need to edit your grub config and put the windows entry above the linux one12:43
chibifsThat driver does the 3 series-- It has pre compiled XF86 4.3 drivers with it12:43
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chibifsBut compiling it for X.org is a bitch.12:43
Phr0stBytechibifs: xfree here12:43
Dre[A] mcatcherbillytwowilly wich file would that be?12:43
chibifsThen you should be able to use that driver fine. :P12:43
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Phr0stBytechibifs: tried... no dice12:43
Phr0stBytechibifs: care to help me out?12:43
chibifsThe 0.6.4 driver?12:43
billytwowillyDre[A] mcatcher, I don't remember. probably /etc/grub.conf or something like that.12:43
ograaPT: and i forgot, ubuntu has ubuntu ! https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/meaning-of-ubuntu/12:43
MithrandirDre[A] mcatcher: /boot/grub/menu.lst12:43
ograoh, he left12:43
Telepbigbrother0074: having similar problem with mplayer. It just hangs when I try to play something12:44
Telepsorry, that was directed at billytwowilly12:44
Phr0stBytechibifs: would you mind helping out with mine/12:44
billytwowillyTelep, sucky, isn't it;)12:44
billytwowillyTelep, it's weird too because there isn't anything obvious in the output to me that would be causing it.12:45
chibifsJust a sec. Last time I did this I was on a slack box. :P12:45
billytwowillyTelep, are you running hoary?12:45
Telepbillytwowilly: yes12:45
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Phr0stBytechibifs: brb - going for a smoke12:45
billytwowillyTelep, does gstreamer work for you? gstreamer never worked on any of my divx files..12:46
chibifsBilly, do you have /all/ of gstreamer installed?12:46
billytwowillychibifs, I dunno, I'm going to check now. I never thought I'd be using it;)12:47
chibifsWell, I still perfer xine. :/12:47
chibifsgstreamer still craps out on windows media formats.12:47
TelepMy problem with xine is I have no sound... any idea what I might need to config?12:48
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=== billytwowilly prefers mplayer by far. It's so fast when it's working;)
Dre[A] mcatcherMithrandir i dont understand, it says 'default    0' but i dont see any numbers infront of the windows partition12:48
huhmzHi, How can I get Gaim to autostart on login?12:49
GnuHippygo to sessions in the gnome control panel12:49
MithrandirDre[A] mcatcher: it's the number of the option, start counting from zero.12:49
GnuHippyand click startup programs12:49
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huhmzthank you kind sir12:49
GnuHippythen add gaim to the list12:49
MithrandirDre[A] mcatcher: you probably want to move the windows part before the ubuntu kernels.12:49
jdubhuhmz: save your session when you exit12:49
jdubGnuHippy: no, don't do that12:49
GnuHippyor do that12:49
jiefthe nessus-update-plugins script is pooched12:49
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mirak_mfen, are you seriouse???.......how did you end up doing it?12:49
jdubGnuHippy: all kinds of bad session handling interaction12:50
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jdubhuhmz: run what you want to be running12:50
MFenmirak: oh, did you miss the commentary?12:50
jdubhuhmz: then save your session on exit12:50
MFeni'm posting it on my blog, i'll put the link up in a minute12:50
huhmzwant Gaim to autostart on login12:50
mirak_mfen, kk12:50
huhmzpreferably minimized12:50
jdubhuhmz: run it. quit everything else. log out, save session.12:50
jdubwhen you log in, it will be running12:50
billytwowillyok. totem still doesn't love my divx files.12:51
GnuHippyrun gaim right now and only gaim then logout and click save session12:51
jdubbut it will pop up annoying dialogues and so on12:51
jdubbecause it's annoying12:51
Phr0stBytechibifs: back - I have not seen any case of a USB Wacom device working sinse kernel 2.412:51
GnuHippydamn jdub your too fast12:51
Dre[A] mcatcherMithrandir ok, thyere are 4 options at boot, default ubuntu, recovery mode, memory test and windows so i must set the default to 3 right?12:51
billytwowillyCan someone take a look at the output from mplayer and point out some possible problems for me to fix?12:51
billytwowillyoutput is here: http://pastebin.com/11692612:51
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MithrandirDre[A] mcatcher: either that, or move windows, yes.12:52
huhmzjdub: ahh thanks12:52
chibifsPhr0st.. Are you using a 2 or a 3?12:52
chibifsJust a minute. I'm going to teach myself debian packaging. :P12:52
Dre[A] mcatcherthats Mithrandir12:52
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chibifsIf I can build a decent enough package, I'll try to get it into the repository for everyone to use.12:53
GnuHippybillytwowilly I don't see a problem with your MPlayer output12:53
GnuHippywhat is happening12:53
Dre[A] mcatcheranother question, in xchat when you use the tranperancy option it is like 100% transparant, is there a way to edit this so it will be like 20% transparant?12:53
GnuHippyother than it can't find lirc support12:53
billytwowillyGnuHippy, any ideas as to why it wouldn't display? Is it sending it to the wrong display or something? how do I check what display I'm on?12:54
mirak_ooh....i like the transparency12:54
TelepGnuHippy: I have similar output, same problem. Just hangs.12:54
billytwowillyhurray! xine works.. but doesn't have any sound..12:55
Telepbillytwowilly: yeah, same thing12:55
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billytwowillywhat's the device used for sound output in gnome?12:56
mjrbillytwowilly, esd is started by default, I think, so you can use that12:57
mjralsa works fine for me too tho12:57
chibifsbilly- I've noticed some programs turn down the pcm slider on install.. for some reason.12:57
Dre[A] mcatcheranyone?12:57
billytwowillythat was my guess. it worked12:57
billytwowillyTelep, change your sound driver to esd12:57
billytwowillyxine will wokr like a charme12:57
billytwowillyerr. charm12:57
Telepbillytwowilly: for xine? where does one do that?12:58
billytwowillyin the config12:58
mirak_Dre[A] mcatcher, maybe try the tint button just below the transparent button?12:58
billytwowillyheh. that's hilarious. I downloaded james bond in spanish;)12:58
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billytwowillyTelep, it's in the sound config. Change from beginner to "master of the known universe" first before you try to change it.12:59
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huhmzAnyone know good app for learning to type fast?12:59
mirak_mavis beacon??12:59
billytwowillymavis rules;)01:00
billytwowillyI used to love that car racing game when I was really young.01:00
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billytwowillyI heard mavis went downhill since then though. She moved to the hood;)01:00
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mjrhuhmz, gtypist01:00
chibifsPhr0st- I'm going to do this later. When I got it in, though, the package with just be called wacom.01:00
huhmzmjr: thanks01:00
Phr0stBytechibifs: ok01:01
Phr0stByteI will check later01:01
Telepbillytwowilly: hmm, I've got gxine - do I need to install xine-ui or something to be able to change that?01:01
Phr0stBytechibifs: when do you think that would be?01:01
billytwowillyTelep, I dunno. I did it from xine-ui01:01
chibifsI'm not fully migrated over from slackware yet. Debian packaging is confusing. :P01:01
billytwowillyI'm not familiar with gxine01:01
billytwowillyIt's all just added bloat to me;) I love mplayer -vo xv filename;)01:01
chibifsA week, at most.01:02
chibifsProbably sooner. I've got alot to get done right now, though.01:02
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Dre[A] mcatchermirak_ that aint enough, i want it even less transparant01:02
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mirak_Dre[A] mcatcher, im a newb...sorry...best i can do for ya01:04
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Dre[A] mcatcherk, thansk though01:04
Dre[A] mcatcherbillytwowilly do you know how to edit it though?01:04
socommDre[A] mcatcher: what are you talking about?01:05
billytwowillyDre[A] mcatcher, no idea. I turn that crap off as default;)01:05
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Dre[A] mcatcherlol01:06
mirak_Dre[A] mcatcher, maybe another app to suite your needs?01:06
Dre[A] mcatcherprolly, cant be arsed to look into that right now i thought it might be in a config file or something01:07
billytwowillywhat app is this anyway?01:08
Dre[A] mcatcherbut its 1 am, im gonna sleep01:08
Dre[A] mcatcherxchat01:08
billytwowillywhere are you?01:08
billytwowillyxchat rules. There's an app for kde that is almost as good.01:08
mirak_any easy to setup p2p apps in the repository?01:08
billytwowillykonversation or something.01:08
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socommDre[A] mcatcher: version?01:08
billytwowillybut it's not in the repository01:08
socommmirak: apollon01:09
socommmirak: I think it's in the reps.01:09
mirak_socomm, is it good?01:09
billytwowillynicotine is awesome too.01:09
mirak_billytwowilly, help me set up azureus?......if i need it?01:10
socommmirak: yeah you can search three different networks[gnutella,OpenFT,FastTrack]  if you get the plugins.01:10
billytwowillymirak, you need to get java working first. Follow the ubuntu website java howto01:10
socommmirak: or get bittorrent, which is *the* P2P app.01:10
billytwowillyazureus is just a bittorrent client01:10
billytwowillyan awesome one.01:10
socommWho said anything about Azureus?01:10
mirak_billytwowilly, oh.....i have bittorrent01:10
Telepbillytwowilly: ok, thx. xine works fine indeed :)01:11
mirak_maybe i should have said file share client01:11
socommI see it now ^_^!01:11
mirak_any good file share clients?01:11
billytwowillyget nicotine if you want music or porn. The porn channle on nicotine is hilarious;)01:11
socommpr0n, eh?01:11
mirak_billytwowilly, movies?01:11
billytwowillyTelep, No problem, enjoy. A big thanks to whoever confirmed esd was the driver we wanted.01:11
billytwowillymirak, no idea. I was only on nicotine for ten minutes. I popped into the porn channel and almost fell out of my chair laughing so hard;)01:12
mirak_i need movies and music......so an app for that01:12
billytwowillySomeone asked who had a big dick and this other person said he did, then the first person asked if he wanted to cyber and he said "sorry, I don't do that anymore. last time my dick got stuck in the cdrom drive."01:13
billytwowillyhilarious stuff.01:13
billytwowillya record company that isn't evil01:13
socommbillytwowilly: try to tone it down a bit don't want people joining to get the wrong idea.01:14
billytwowillysocomm, no worries. No more porn or file sharing stories;)01:14
billytwowillyCan I still talk about magnatune.com though? They are awesome. it's a record company that pays half of what you pay to its artists01:15
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mirak_billytwowilly, where are they based??.........my band needs signed01:15
socommbillytwowilly: go ahead.01:15
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billytwowillymirak, They are in the states, but accept musicians from all over the world01:16
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mirak_billytwowilly, sweet.......i shall send them a demo01:16
billytwowillyGo for it. They might not sign you though. They are pretty selective. What kind of music do you play?01:17
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LinuxJonesmirak_, what kind of music do you play ?01:17
socommNew age.01:17
LinuxJonessocomm, I am old what is new age ?01:17
mirak_LinuxJones, kinda pop-punk, indie, rock kinda thing.......female vocals...lots O' melodies and stuff01:18
Dre[A] mcatcherhow would i get a flash plugin, i read the doc on thw howto page but there is no flash installer for ubuntu and apt-get install flash-plugin-nonfree ( debian ) says it cant find the package01:18
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mirak_wahts with this new age stuff01:18
billytwowillyDre[A] mcatcher, add metaverse and universe repositories and search for flash01:18
tolstoyIs gpdf pretty much non-functional?01:19
kapputuhello all01:19
Dre[A] mcatcherbillytwowilly im sorry, this is my first linux distro, what do you mean01:19
LinuxJonesmirak_ as long as it's not rap :)01:19
TheMusoIs the new wiki operational yet?01:19
Telephmm... I've got an ati mobility radeon 9200, and am not currently using the binary driver. Playing a dvd takes up all the cpu and is choppy - could installing the non-free driver help?01:19
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TelepI'm a bit concerned about using the ati driver otherwise...01:20
mirak_LinuxJones, i promise :)01:20
billytwowillyDre[A] mcatcher, No prob. I was asking what some would consider silly and/or easy questions about ubuntu  2 days ago when I was installing/setting up ubuntu;) I take a bit torrent philosophy to tech support;) I want my share ratio to be atleast one;)01:20
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Dre[A] mcatcherhehe01:20
Dre[A] mcatcherbut what to do with metaverse and universe repositories?01:20
mirak_univer is easy01:21
mirak_go to synaptic01:21
vasii'm having a bizarre problem....sound is playing very distorted, sounds very growly. i'm trying to figure out what i did to cause this, as it was working fine before. any suggestions?01:21
WWDre[A] mcatcher: I think he meant multiverse01:21
billytwowillyDre[A] mcatcher, su to root and edit /etc/apt/sources.list01:21
mirak_setting-------repositories, and enable all of them01:21
WWDre[A] mcatcher: There is a package called "flashplayer-mozilla" in the "multiverse" repository.01:21
billytwowillythen uncomment the two sources there and add this one: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse01:22
WWDre[A] mcatcher: You can also enable the repository with Synaptic.01:22
Telepbillytwowilly: any idea about improving dvd playback in xine? Is there something in the xine config that might improve performance?01:22
billytwowillyTelep, no idea, sorry. I usually dvdrip my dvds before watching them.01:22
billytwowillymaybe make sure xv is used for video display? That's a shot in the dark...01:23
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Dre[A] mcatcherWW: what do you mean with "multiverse" repository. and repository with Synaptic.01:24
billytwowillyDre[A] mcatcher, There are basically 3 repositories. The one supported by ubuntu developers, and universe and multiverse.01:25
WWDre[A] mcatcher: I recommend reading this short explanation first: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view01:25
Dre[A] mcatcherk01:25
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Telepbillytwowilly: no effect :(01:26
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billytwowillyTelep, what proc are you running?01:26
Telepprocessor? Pentium M01:26
WWDre[A] mcatcher: Now, "multiverse" is a fourth component that was added after that page was written.01:27
socommLinuxJones: New age music is instrumental, elecltronicmusic such as Enya.01:27
billytwowillyTelep, I have a pentium M too. No probs watchig dvds.01:28
socommAre pentium M's any good.01:28
billytwowillyWW, what is the deal with multiverse?01:28
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WWbillytwowilly: It's "non-free" stuff.01:28
LinuxJonessocomm, if you want some old age music try Rush or Iron Maiden :)01:29
mirak_MFen, still around?01:29
WWbillytwowilly: See #19: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view/01:29
mirak_lol...iron maiden01:29
Telepbillytwowilly: but should the graphic card have a big effect on that? or the driver used?01:29
mirak_Telep, yes01:29
billytwowillyTelep, probably. I have an ati mobility radeon 9700 w/128 MB.. in my laptop. works great with ubuntu01:29
socommLinuxJones: that was just a joke, trying to make fun of mirak in a friendly way.01:29
LinuxJonesmirak_, Iron Maiden were spectacular for about 10 years01:30
socommLinuxJones: Iron Maiden is cool, though rush sucks in my opinion.01:30
mirak_LinuxJones, but not now.......01:30
LinuxJonessocomm,  listen to 2112 for 1 days and realize their brilliance :)01:30
socommmirak: good music is timeless.01:30
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Telepbillytwowilly: and you are using ati's driver?01:31
sidneyis there any place other than dotdeb that I can get php5?01:31
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wimsmy floppy drive wont work in ubuntu01:31
TheMusowims: What sort of floppy drive is it? i.e USB, or internal?01:31
socommwims: floppies are so 1980's.01:31
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bob2man, people jumped on the php5 bandwagon pretty damn quickly01:32
TheMusosocomm: Floppys are still handy to have around.01:32
MFenmirak: http://strongdynamic.blogspot.com/2004/11/apt-get-install-antidote.html01:32
wimsi just want a boot disk, just in case01:32
sidneyi REALLY need it!01:32
socommTheMuso: I know I was just joking.01:32
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mjrwims, did you make sure the floppy driver is loaded? (sudo modprobe floppy)01:32
socommsidney: why not compile it yourself?01:32
Safari_AlHi guys.  Can anyone here suggest a reasonable automated install system for ubuntu?01:32
sidneybecause I am being overwhelemed by it01:33
Safari_AlI've been trying autoinstall but have run into some problems.  Would like to know if there are any other options I should consider.01:33
billytwowillyTelep, yep, using ati's driver. Howto is on the ubuntu wiki01:33
Le1Hello, how to I install k3b?01:33
Telepbillytwowilly: yeah ok.01:33
LinuxJonesmirak_, how many bands were spectacular for even 1 year, only a handfull :)01:33
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socommLe1: search ubuntus wiki.01:33
jdubSafari_Al: FAI01:33
jdubSafari_Al: next release will have kickstart compatible pre-seeding01:33
wimsnow it workas01:33
socommLe1: If I recall correctly apt-get install k3b will do it for you.01:33
sidneyhow about somebody that is an *expert* at building make a deb of php5?01:34
wimsi thought since my soundcard and network card got autodetected and enabled maybe floppy would be too01:34
Safari_Aljdub, I actually moved away from FAI to autoinstall because it looked less needlessly complex.  Can you shed any more light on how you guys will approach it in hoary?  Perhaps I can help.01:35
mirak_LinuxJones, you are right, i just never really got into iron maiden....i am only 20.....01:35
socommmirak: are you into Bob Dylan?01:35
mirak_socomm, hahaha.....no01:35
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socommmirak: why not?01:36
mirak_socomm, you?01:36
jdubSafari_Al: yeah, i'm not a huge fan of FAI myself01:36
jdubSafari_Al: have you used RH kickstart before?01:36
socommmirak: yeah I'm into alot of the older stuff.01:36
Le1I get :01:36
Le1apt-get install k3b01:36
Le1Reading Package Lists... Done01:36
Le1Building Dependency Tree... Done01:36
Le1E: Couldn't find package k3b01:36
Le1when I run apt-get01:36
Safari_Aljdub, Yes.01:36
socommLe1: I installed it a few weeks back, search the wiki I know there's a tutorial there.01:36
mirak_socomm, i listened to like bush, nirvana, offspring01:36
Le1cool thanks01:37
socommmirak: Nirvana is cool, though bush and offspring aint my cup of tea.01:37
mirak_socomm, hey!....can you help me out with installing .deb stuff?01:37
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mirak_socomm, yeah...they both went down hill....there old stuff was good01:37
jdubSafari_Al: yeah, so, we'll use the same format as an input to d-i pre-seeding01:38
socommmirak: man dpkg01:38
mjrwims, a reasonable assumption, but false nevertheless; put the line "floppy" in /etc/modules to have it automatically loaded01:38
socommmirak: usually dpkg -i package.deb will do it.01:38
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mirak_socomm, kk...thnx01:38
jcolehow can i "communicate" with gconf from the command line? 've got some apps i want to configure (i'm writng a config script) but i don't want to just plop a bunch of %gconf.xml files everywhere...01:38
jdubSafari_Al: which will be rad for automated installs :)01:38
mirak_socomm, ill give it a shot01:38
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jdubjcole: gconftool-201:38
socommmirak: okay.01:38
wimsmjr: thanks01:38
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jcolejdub: awesome, thanks01:39
TerminXwhere's the ubuntu equiv of incoming.debian.org?01:39
MFenmirak: if that didn't work, try again. i still had it in draft01:40
jdubTerminX: there's no equivalent01:40
Safari_Aljdub, I'm guessing that there's pretty decent infrastructure in d-i for network installs as well?  Netbooting, and the like.01:40
jdubSafari_Al: yeah01:40
jdubSafari_Al: you can get netboot images from the cdimage server01:40
bob2TerminX: packages move into the archive a lot more often than in debian, tho01:40
sidneyso no php5? :-(01:41
Safari_Aljdub, debian's cdimage server?01:41
socommsidney: http://www.google.com/linux01:42
jdubSafari_Al: cdimage.ubuntulinux.org01:42
JeffreyBAnyone use pure Debian repositories? Any problems with that? Just finished my 1st Ubuntu install... so far I like it!01:42
jdubJeffreyB: strongly discourage using debian repositories01:42
jdubJeffreyB: enable universe and multiverse in sources.list01:43
TheMusoJeffreyB: You could connecto to a debian source archive and grab source packages, and rebuild.01:43
JeffreyBcool.. thought that would be the answer... thanks!01:43
TheMusoThat is if universe doesn't have what you are after.01:43
mirak_socomm, i think i did it :)01:43
socommmirak: congrats.01:43
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mirak_socomm, i know i did it01:45
mirak_socomm, thank you01:45
socommmirak: cool.01:45
socommmirak: don't mention it, just help any new comers.01:45
Safari_Aljdub, Found them.  Taking a look now...01:45
mirak_socomm, i always try my best01:46
rufiusis there a kernel-source package for the kernel?01:47
jdubrufius: linux-source01:48
rufiusjdub: danke01:48
Telepbillytwowilly: hmm, I installed the driver, didn't help. Odd though, I've tried this driver before, and it did make a difference with mplayer.01:48
billytwowillyTelep, you have to change the entry in you /etc/X11/XF86Config-401:49
billytwowillyfrom ati to glxr or fglxr or something01:49
mirak_Telep, i changed "generic....." to say "radeon"01:50
MFenis the 'universe' repository in any sense writable?  can i submit my own packages to it without going through the usual debian review?01:50
Telephmm, I have done that already01:50
billytwowillyit should say in the howto on the wiki what to change it to01:50
billytwowillyrun glxgears01:50
billytwowillyI hit 1070 fps01:51
billytwowillybefore I was hitting 130ish01:51
mirak_Telep, i get like 4k fps from glxgears with a radeon 7000 64mb01:51
billytwowillyyou get 4k fps?01:51
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mirak_billytwowilly, yeah01:51
Telephmm, I'm getting like ~1600 fps01:52
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mirak_billytwowilly, like 4103 or something like that01:52
billytwowillyWhat a rip off. I thought the mobility 9700 was suposed to be decent01:52
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mirak_billytwowilly, i have 1200mghz amd     256mb ram01:52
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TelepI have 9200 and 64mb :D01:53
Telepand Pentium M 1.5 GHz01:53
Telep512 ram01:53
mirak_billytwowilly, dont worry.....i still dont get any hardware support......enemy territory runs horrible01:53
billytwowillyThe driver must not be that good on the mobility radeon 9700 then. Well, the 9700 mobility technically isn't supported anyway;)01:53
Telepprobably, I'm sure the 9700 is superior otherwise ;)01:54
mirak_in window...for sure01:54
billytwowillyheh. It doesn't matter;) I'm just half joking;) I don't play games, it's just what came with the laptop01:55
Telepbut hmm, could the problem be my dvd drive? or the way linux accesses it?01:55
Telepdon't know much about this stuff01:55
mirak_billytwowilly, i quit gaming as well......game time=learn linux time now01:55
mirak_Telep, you get sound but no video?01:56
billytwowillyheh. game time= slack in other ways time;)01:56
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Telepmirak: no, I get video, but it's jerky, and the cpu maxes out01:56
Telepin xine that is01:56
mirak_Telep, hmm........01:56
Telepand only playing dvd's01:57
nomasteryodalook at those settings01:57
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mirak_Telep, i cant really help...im a newb......but it sounds like....your proccesor is doing the work for your vid card01:57
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fissyhi, does anyone know how to remove exchange from evolution?01:58
nomasteryodaI/O of '/dev/hda will kill your video performance01:58
Telepnomasteryoda: DMA modes:  sdma0 sdma1 sdma2 mdma0 mdma1 *mdma201:58
Telepfor my dvd drive, that is01:59
Telepanything else I should pay attention to in the hdparm output?01:59
Safari_Aljdub, preseeding is a current techonology, right?  Documentation around the place regarding this seems to be scanty.  Can you point me to anywhere good?02:00
stuNNed_can anyone browse windows computer shares in ubuntu?02:00
bob2stuNNed_: yes, everyone can02:00
jdubSafari_Al: pre-seeding stuff in d-i was not ready for warty02:00
jdubSafari_Al: all that stuff will appear in hoary, though02:01
aiwi have a friend installing ubuntu on a pc with a supermicro p6dbs dual processor motherboard with on-board scsi, the live-cd works fine, but install hangs shortly after starting klogd, any suggestions why that might be? He has tried with a single processor, with scsi disabled and enabled, hard drive attached, not attached, all give the same response02:01
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bob2aiw: try acpi=off and noapic02:01
aiwok, thanks02:01
stuNNed_bob2, LOL :)  i get the infamous gnome-vfs 'permission denied' error02:01
GOwinhi everyone. what is the log file of synaptic manager?02:01
Safari_Aljdub, ah :|  Ok. So it looks like I'll have to use something else to get us across the next 6 months.  I'll probably have to hack up autoinstall so it works.02:02
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bob2does it have a log file?02:04
GOwini don't know. i'm trying to retrieve an error i got yesterday.02:06
limaunionshould I disable tmpfs ? as I understand it'll take half of the available RAM, is this correct ?02:06
FreedomzenGOwin, ok02:06
Freedomzenwhat error02:07
Freedomzenlimaunion, I disabled tmpfs on arch had no probs02:07
jdublimaunion: no, that's the maximum size. it will only use what you put in it.02:07
GOwini was trying to do a smart upgrade. it reported that postgresql cannot be upgraded or something like that02:07
bob2limaunion: don't disable it02:07
limaunionFreedomzen: ok02:07
FreedomzenGOwin, try default02:07
GOwinfreedomzen, default?02:08
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limaunionjdub: where's mounted ? under what path ?02:08
GOwindefault upgrade?02:08
Freedomzendefault upgrade?02:08
jdublimaunion: type 'mount'02:08
limaunionbob2: why not, I've already disabled...02:08
GOwinhmm ... would it mess up my existing settings and configuration?02:08
bob2limaunion: why bother?02:09
bob2and glibc likes having it.02:09
jdublimaunion: you don't need to disable it, it doesn't harm you02:09
bob2GOwin: it shouldn't02:09
GOwin*shouldn't* ... hmmm :)02:09
limaunionbob2: because I don't have a lot of free memory, but it's dynamically used right ?02:09
jdublimaunion: it only uses what you put in it02:10
jdublimaunion: and will only use a maximum of half your memory (by default)02:10
GOwinshould i run ubuntu as single user mode first or turn off running servers? (i got egroupware, php apache and postgress running)02:10
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limaunionjdub: ok, thanks, will re-enable it02:10
limaunionmount shows: tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw), so where is it ?02:11
limaunionI mean, how do I cp a file there ?02:12
bob2 it's mounted on /dev/shm02:13
bob2it's not really meant for you to put random stuff on, tho02:13
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limaunionbob2: so it's just for the kernel internal use ?02:15
bob2glibc uses it, aiui02:16
bob2you can mount your own if you want02:16
bob2some people make /tmp a ram-based filesystem02:16
limaunionbob2: ok, thanks02:17
jordiI have this tick of unpacking large debian packages in tmp02:17
Safari_Aljdub, We're planning to do a desktop linux push to both the education and corporate sectors here in adelaide.  Whom should I contact about getting Canonical's name & support behind us?02:17
stuNNed_bob2, is there an ubuntu samba howto or what packages to i need installed to browse windows shares?02:17
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jordistuNNed_: with GNOME? Just go to the Network thing02:17
jdubSafari_Al: jeff.waugh@canonical.com02:18
stuNNed_jordi, yes, and i get 'permission denied, you don't have rights to access this folder' but can browse in winxp fine, even get that error for my linux server02:18
billytwowillyI think I coaxed more error messages out of mplayer.  can anyone tell me why mplayer/gmplayer is not woring from this:http://pastebin.com/11695602:19
Safari_Aljdub, Great, thanks.02:19
stuNNed_billytwowilly, did you install the mplayer-fonts package?02:20
billytwowillystuNNed_, I thought I did. I'll go check.02:21
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billytwowillystuNNed_, yes it is installed02:21
billytwowillyI'm going to try one other thing and then possibly give up02:22
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ociNhi everyone02:25
bob2hi, dr nico02:25
stuNNed_billytwowilly, with mplayer-common i get MPlayer was compiled WITHOUT GUI support.02:26
billytwowillyhmm. well this is mplayer from marillat02:26
billytwowillySo it can play dvds02:26
ociNI would like some assistance in installing Ubuntu02:26
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ociNfirst, some background on me and my Linux knowledge02:27
GmailociN: enter enter enter enter take out cd02:27
stuNNed_billytwowilly, sorry, meant 'mplayer-custom'02:27
Gmailall done02:27
ociNI'm quite knowledgeable with Debian02:27
GmailociN: ubuntu uses debian-installer02:27
billytwowillystuNNed_, I don't know what else to do to fix it.02:28
ociNit has been running on a good number of machines for some years, laptops, desktops, servers, new, old, light to very heavy load02:28
ociNI have used the new d-i in multiple releases02:28
ociNon the same machine I use02:28
ociNbut Ubuntu's fails when searching for a CD-ROM drive02:29
janiceHi All, I got the ndiswrapper to work. Thank you choudesh and others for helping.02:29
ociNbecause it wants the ich-5/5R module02:29
JeffreyBDoes anyone here use Gnumeric over OOo? I wanna try it out but wondered about strengths/weaknesses.02:29
ociNwhich should be the standard piix, which is loaded02:29
stuNNed_billytwowilly, do you want gmplayer or just mplayer w/out gui support?02:30
ociNmy machine is a Shuttle SFF with 875P/ICH-5 chipset02:30
ociNanybody had that issue?02:31
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bob2ociN: have you checked the bts?02:31
MagicFabneed some help doing a driver install02:31
MagicFabmake doesn't find files in /usr/include/asm/02:31
bob2ociN: does loading it manually fix the problem?02:31
ociNI googled it, but only found 2 instances with the same problem, but no fix02:31
jdubJeffreyB: technically, gnumeric is the better spreadsheet02:31
ociN'bts' ?02:31
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MagicFabTrying to install the driver for a LInksys wusb:02:32
bob2ociN: the bug system02:32
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bob2MagicFab: are you sure ubuntu doesn't include drivers for that?02:32
billytwowillystuNNed_, I want mplayer. no gui necessary02:32
ociNI loaded piix manually, it shows in lsmod, linked to other modules, but still no cd drive02:32
MagicFabThere's a bug report htat seems to indicate it doesnt02:32
ociNcd is on PATA, hdd is on SATA02:33
MagicFabDevice manager sees it but as "unknow/unknow" (device/vendor)02:33
billytwowillystuNNed_, it doesn't necessarily have to play dvds either. Just divx files, mpeg, etc02:33
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bob2MagicFab: ignore device manager02:33
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bob2ociN: /topic02:33
MFenwhat's the gnome equivalent of "start" on windows and "open" on linux02:33
MFeni mean "open" on mac osx02:33
stuNNed_billytwowilly, add multiverse to your repo's, uninstall your mplayer, then add mplayer-custom, also there is mozilla-mplayer for plugin02:33
JeffreyBjdub: Cool... I guess I just need to install it and give it a go. Thanks man!02:33
MFeni want to launch a pdf from the command line02:33
bob2MFen: gnome-open02:34
stuNNed_billytwowilly, add/install mplayer-custom, sorry about that02:34
billytwowillystuNNed_, ok, I'll give it  atry02:34
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MFenbob2: nice. thanks. /me aliases to "go"02:34
MagicFabseveral nights ago I asked here about resizing an existing /ext3 partition used in /home for a Mdk10 install... it worked :) writing this from a fresh install.02:36
Telephmm, I installed mplayer-custom and now it won't even attempt to run a dvd02:37
billytwowillystuNNed_, Still no mplayer after I tried what you recommended. Still hangs02:37
Gmailwhat better the emule network or the donkey network for p2p?02:37
bob2Gmail: this is not a warez channel02:37
vasibob2, you do know that p2p programs can be used for more than warez, right?02:38
ociNand this one looks more detailed https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=144002:38
JStrikeThey can, but rarely are02:38
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bob2vasi: of course, but I very much doubt Gmail is trying to download taped Phish flac sets.02:39
Q|hey all02:39
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Gmailbob2: i don't want warez02:42
bob2Gmail: what do you want?02:42
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Gmaili was told i can d/l mepis off it way faster than the mirror (10kB/s02:43
bob2Gmail: er, you claimed to have 100 mepis cds02:43
Gmail2004.05 is out02:43
Gmaili got 2004.04 cds02:43
vasido they have a torrent?02:44
Gmailvasi: no they are stupid!!!02:44
Gmailsorry 2004.05 is coming out today and 2004.04 came out on the 25/10/04 (11 days ago)02:46
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JStrikelegality aside, the state of file-sharing for Gnome users is shocking02:47
bob2Gmail: anyway, mepis downloads are just ass off-topic as porn ones02:47
MagicFabGmail: http://www.tlm-project.org/distributions/browse_distro.php?distro_id=12&expand_version=6702:47
XLXhello my good people02:47
Gmailbob2: that why i ask which one is a better network02:47
MagicFaboups, no 2004.5 there02:47
bob2Gmail: try and see, duh02:48
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ociNrebooting in order to try a possible solution02:48
MagicFabbob2: I had the wrong files for U's kernel. Now I have something different02:48
MagicFabmake doesnt find files in /lib/modules/
MagicFabbob2: sorry - meant ociN:02:49
bob2install linux-headers-$(uname -r)02:49
MagicFabvery new to kernel patching...02:49
bob2you're not pacthing the kernel02:49
bob2you're building a module02:49
bob2to do that, you need to have the linux-headers-$(uname -r) package installed02:50
kensaiis there a way to have sound in doom 3 although I use alsa drivers?02:50
Burgundaviasalut all02:50
XLXI acquired a pice of machinery (dual PIII 500MHz) and I was able to boot Ubuntu LIVE (Knoppix woudn't work). Now I'm trying to install the actual Ubuntu distro, but it fails each time (it goes to black screen after the message "Starting syslogk..." or such) System hangs at that time... any hints ?02:51
MagicFabbob2: that command returns "too few arguments"02:51
MagicFabbob2: can you give more details ?02:52
Gmaili installed blackdown java where did the plugin install that i can move it to firefox plugin dir02:52
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GmailXLX: do a md5sum check of the cd02:52
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MagicFabbob2: tx for the diff. between patching / building.. there's 2 versions of that drivers' support how-to02:52
Gmaila cruppted cd will couse the installer to crash02:53
XLXGmail: I also tried Debian-Sarge netinstal - Same failing results (I don't think that the CD is bad...)02:53
XLXI used acpi=off02:54
XLXall the power management options...02:54
XLXfails each time at the same spot02:54
GmailXLX: 50%+ of all probblems we have in here s of cruppted cds02:54
Gmailmy first cd was also cruopted02:55
MagicFabbob2: never mind, found it in synaptics02:55
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bob2MagicFab: right02:55
Brandybuckhi all02:55
bob2MagicFab: make sure it's the exact right version, though02:55
bob2choudesh[away] : turn that off please02:55
XLXI know that my debian installer is good since I'm using it right now (typing from it)... and it fails at the same point as Ubuntu's installer02:55
XLXI can do md5sum though02:56
Gmaildo it!!!02:57
GmailXLX: d-i crashes if any packages md5sum is cruppted or a driver of hardware needed02:57
Telepbillytwowilly: btw, I only get about 350 fps with fgl_glxgears, is that normal?02:58
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Telep(1500 with glxgears)02:58
billytwowillyTelep,  if you only get 350 then you don't have the ati drivers working03:00
billytwowilly1500 is normalish03:00
MagicFabok, some progress...now missing /lib/modules/*.mod :)03:01
vasionly 87 fps here *grumble* binary only x86 drivers *grumble*03:01
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Gmailhehe i am using onbaord gfx03:02
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Telephow do I get 1500 with glxgears, then?03:02
billytwowillychange the driver listed in XF86Config-4 to whatever it tells you to change it to in the ubuntu.com wiki howto03:03
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Telepbillytwowilly: no, I mean I _am_ getting 1500 fps in glxgears, but fgl_glxgears gives only 350. I have changed the driver in XF86Config03:05
billytwowillyHURRAY! I fixed mplayer!03:05
billytwowillyneed mplayer -vo xv -ao esd filename03:05
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TenniruHow do I install a patch?03:05
billytwowillyTelep, oh, fgl_glxgears is fine at 25003:06
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bob2Tenniru: you don't instyall patches, you apply them.  what are you trying to do?03:06
TenniruApply the patch that fixes the iBook sleep problem.03:07
Telepwtf... "It seems there is no Xvideo support for your video card available"03:07
bob2Tenniru: you have a g3 ibook?03:07
billytwowillyyou have to again follow the howto I've been pointing you to03:07
billytwowillyyou have to add another line to your XF86Config-4 telling it to allow xv overlay03:07
billytwowillyOption "VideoOverlay" "on"03:08
billytwowillyOption "OpenGLOverlay" "off"03:08
Telepin the section "Device" with the fglrx stuff?03:09
billytwowillyYah, put it right under the driver03:09
XLXGmail: where is the md5sum ? I have mine here03:09
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GmailXLX: did you take a md5sum of the WHOLE cd? or each file?03:10
XLXwhole CD03:10
TenniruHow do I apply this patch?03:10
GmailXLX: look on you closest mirror03:11
GmailTenniru: have patch installed?03:11
billytwowillyTelep, restart X to make those changes take effect and you should be golden03:11
Telepok lets see...03:11
bob2Tenniru: sudo apt-get install build-essential ; sudo apt-get build-dep pbbuttonsd ; apt-get source pbbuttonsd ; cd the_dir_that_made ; patch -1 < /path/to/the/patch/file ; debuild -uc -us -rfakeroot03:11
bob2Tenniru: assuming that killing hal actually fixes the problem for you now03:11
Gmailwho here is using gamin?03:12
XLXexactly the same md5sum...so it's not the CD03:12
Gmailthere are so many program depending on fam03:12
GmailXLX: Kamion is the d-i expert and bob2 is also pritty good03:13
XLXthnx for your time03:13
XLXbob2: can I abuse you for a minute ?03:14
MagicFabbob2: /lib/modules/2.xx.xx-xx/modules.usbmap doesn't list the vendor id, so I assume the driver is not compiled03:14
bob2MagicFab: erm, is the module in /lib/modules/ or not?03:14
bob2if the module is but the id is missing, then the map can be fixed up03:14
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MagicFabbob2: not sure how I can verify that03:15
bob2XLX: sure the machine itself is ok?03:15
bob2MagicFab: find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name "*whatever*"03:16
XLXit boots LIVE Ubunto03:16
bob2XLX: you've run memtest86 etc?03:16
bob2I'd try that03:16
XLXwhere do I run this from ?03:17
billytwowillyTelep, is it working now?03:17
MagicFabthere are 3 atmel modules, including atmel_cs.ko, atmel.ko and atmel_pci.ko03:18
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Telepmplayer still hanging, no change in dvd playback in xine03:18
billytwowillyyou have to start mplayer with mplayer -vo xv -au esd filename03:19
bob2XLX: /usr/share/doc/memtest86/README03:19
XLXI just don't understand why LIVE-Ubuntu worx and when I try to install it to HD it fails after the "Starting syslogd..."03:19
Telepbillytwowilly: "Unknown option on the command line: au"03:19
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TenniruOops. Event occured.03:20
TenniruSo... I installed those things.03:20
TenniruWhere is the directory I should be looking for/03:20
bob2XLX: bad ram could do that03:20
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XLXI see03:21
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XLXI'll boot it into LIVE U and do memtest8603:21
bob2no, you boot into it03:21
bob2Tenniru: in your current working dir03:21
TenniruUm... what does that mean?03:21
XLXthat's what I ment03:22
bob2Tenniru: erm...03:22
XLXI hope it's ram03:22
bob2Tenniru: "the source will be in whatever dir you ran those commands in"03:23
XLXcause I'm about to drop-kick this box...03:23
Gmailwill i ever see a ubuntu haldheld device in the next year or so03:23
TenniruI did it in Home.03:23
TenniruFrom Root Terminal.03:23
Tenniruhome/myself, anyhow.03:23
TenniruSo... what there?03:23
bob2Tenniru: don't run this sort of thigns a root03:23
TenniruGoing into normal Terminal, then.03:24
TenniruSo, I'm as a normal user in my own directory under Home.03:25
TenniruWhat now?03:25
bob212:11:34           bob2 | Tenniru: sudo apt-get install build-essential ; sudo apt-get build-dep pbbuttonsd ; apt-get source pbbuttonsd ; cd the_dir_that_made ; patch -p1 < /path/to/the/patch/file ; debuild -uc -us -rfakeroot03:25
TenniruAll of them?03:25
bob2run it as your user again, yes03:26
TenniruThere. Got it.03:26
TenniruNow what?03:26
bob2all of those commands have executed already?03:27
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bob2are you sure?03:27
amathisin ubuntu apache2, is the config httpd.conf or apache2.conf?03:28
TenniruI now have a source thing...03:28
TenniruSo, now that I'm in that place...03:28
bob2Tenniru: um, if they all ran successfully, then you'll have a few .debs in ../03:28
Tennirua diff.gz, a tar.gz, and a .dsc.03:28
TenniruWhat do I do?03:29
bob2no idea, I can't see what you did03:29
TenniruWell, first I did what you said under Root Terminal.03:29
bob2yeah, yeah03:29
Se7hcan someone help me setting java here?03:29
TenniruThen I did sudo apt-get (what you told me to do) under terminal as myself.03:29
TenniruWhen I did, I got some messages saying they were already installed or something.03:30
bob2this will be amazingly tedious on IRC, but those instructions should workk03:30
bob2if not, post the full output of everything to the list03:30
TenniruAll of it?03:30
bob2do you know how to tell what is an error?03:31
TenniruFrom when I started? Because... for complex reasons, I rebooted again after I did it as Root...03:31
TenniruLook at this:03:31
bob2don't paste in here03:31
Tenniru0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 14 not upgraded.03:31
TenniruI'm not.03:31
bob2that's fine03:31
TenniruThat's what I got when I tried again as user.03:32
TenniruSo... what now?03:32
mirak_anyone familiar with OVERNET (its a p2p app)03:32
bob2the only interesting output would be from patch and debuild03:32
bob2what did patch print out?03:32
TenniruWhat patch?03:32
TenniruWhich one...03:32
TenniruSorry, I'm just a Linux newbie.03:32
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jay__how do i use apache2 on ubuntu03:32
bob2jay__: install it. enjoy!03:33
jay__i created a virtual directory03:33
jay__for me03:33
bob2Tenniru: did you read the entire command I gave you?03:33
jay__and i cant access it03:33
bob2jay__: for your user?03:33
bob2Tenniru: one of the commands was "patch".03:33
jay__isnt it http://localhost/~username/index.html03:33
bob2jay__: yes03:33
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bob2jay__: what does "ls -ld /home  ~/ ~/public_html" print out?03:34
jay__do i need a public_html directory in my home directory03:34
bob2jay__: yes03:34
TenniruI got all of them.03:34
bob2jay__: that's where you put your web stuff03:34
bob2Tenniru: so what did the "patch" command that you ran print out?03:34
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TenniruWait... I patch it NOW?03:35
TenniruOh. I... stand by.03:35
TenniruSorry. I'm just really tired and forgot to use the patch.03:35
bob2I've asked you 3 times if you ran all the commands I told you to.03:35
TenniruI... didn't see the directory it made.03:35
Burgundaviahey can anyone help me diagnose a sound problem?03:35
TenniruIt's there, though...03:35
TenniruLet me try.03:36
mirak_can anyone help me find the files that my p2p app downloaded??03:36
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XLXbob2: the memtest doesn't work on LIVE cd (the command string doesn't exist there...03:36
bob2XLX: as I said, read the README, please please please please03:36
TenniruI'm sorry...03:36
bob2XLX: as I also said, you have to boot into memtest8603:36
TenniruOkay. Patched.03:37
XLXthat is what I'm trying to do03:37
TenniruI entered the command, and now it's not giving any output.03:37
bob2XLX: so you read the README?03:37
XLXthere is an option03:37
XLXbut it's blank03:37
bob2what's blank?03:37
bob2Tenniru: do you know what ";" means in shell?03:38
XLXwhen I press the Memtest option..there is no string options (unlike all the other)03:38
bob2XLX: what are you talking about?03:38
bob2in memtest86 after you booted into it?03:38
XLXwhen I pressed on memtest to boot into it..it takes me straight into GRUB03:39
XLXand does nothing03:39
XLXjust sits there03:39
bob2this is after you read the README and configured grub to boot memtest86?03:40
XLXThere was a floppy maker util that I had to run03:40
XLXbut that failed03:40
XLXI've read the README>Debian03:41
TenniruI'm not getting any output.03:42
bob212:38:13           bob2 | Tenniru: do you know what ";" means in shell?03:42
mirak_umm.....guys.....i think i may have an invisible folder...i dont know what to do03:42
bob2mirak_: there's no such thing as an invisible folder in unix03:42
TenniruIf it begins with a period, it's invisible, I think...03:42
bob2mirak_: ones with a leading . won't show up by default in some tools, but you can always find them with "ls -a"03:42
mirak_bob2, but it is supposed to be there.....and its not03:43
bob2mirak_: then it's not03:43
mirak_bob2, it is...it has a " . " how do i get that to show?03:43
bob2Tenniru: paste the exact commands, including shell prompts that you've run to #flood03:43
bob2mirak_: 'but you can always find them with "ls -a"'03:43
mirak_bob2, cant i just make it be visible?03:44
bob2mirak_: it's not invisible03:44
mirak_bob2, i dont know how to rename from terminal03:44
Tenniru Wait. I did something wrong again.03:44
bob2mirak_: if you mean "make nautilus show it", ctrl-h03:44
TenniruI'm such a moron...03:44
mirak_bob2, yes...that is what i meant......sorry....and thanks03:45
TenniruPatch successful.03:45
TenniruNow what?03:45
TenniruThat debuild thing seems to not exist, if I entered it right.03:45
bob2ok, so why did you say you had run all of the commands I gave you when you had only run the first 4?03:45
TenniruI didn't... see them. I scrolled down too fast.03:45
TenniruI never read down, I just assumed and did the apt-getting. I'm sorry.03:46
bob2run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us"03:46
TenniruAnd the no-output thing was me entering part of the wrong...03:46
TenniruI'm sorry.03:46
bob2in the source directory03:46
bob2no problem, just try to be a bit more careful, it gets a tad frustrating to have to say the same logn thing more than once ;)03:47
Tenniru"/usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage: line 175: fakeroot: command not found"03:48
TenniruWhat did I do now?03:48
bob2sudo apt-get install fakeroot03:48
bob2then run it again03:48
TenniruOkay... installing Fakeroot.03:48
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TenniruInstalled. Installing other thing.03:49
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Tennirudpkg-source: failure: create file pbbuttonsd_0.6.2-1ubuntu2.diff.gz: Permission denied03:49
XLX/usr/bin/make-memtest86+-boot-floppy: line 63: mformat: command not found03:49
bob2XLX: install mtools03:49
TenniruOh, wait, no.03:49
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bob2Tenniru: you've done some part of this as root03:50
XLXthis is LIVE CD03:50
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TenniruYeah, probably install the pbbuttonsd diff.gz as root.03:50
FreddyKwhats the apt-get install command for gtk? saying apt-get install gtk is not a known pkg03:50
bob2FreddyK: what are you trying to do?03:51
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bob2FreddyK: the ubuntu default desktop has gtk installed already03:51
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Nafallohi folks03:51
FreddyKwell i attempt to config gnutella and iget this03:51
FreddyKchecking for GTK - version >= 1.2.0... no03:51
FreddyK*** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found03:51
FreddyK*** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in03:51
FreddyK*** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the03:51
FreddyK*** full path to gtk-config.03:51
Nafalloare there and ides included in warty?03:52
bob2FreddyK: then you need libgtk2.0-dev03:52
kensaihow can I set up a printer that is in another PC with windows in my network? I am alredy seen that pc and it shared docs but not the printer03:52
bob2FreddyK: and build-essential03:52
bob2FreddyK: but gtk-gnutella is in ubuntu already03:52
FreddyKit says I already have it insatlled03:52
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bob2FreddyK: oh, you want libgtk1.2-dev03:52
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bob2choudesh[away] : turn that off, now03:52
FreddyKgnutella is in ubuntu already?03:53
bob2"gnutella" is not a program03:53
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NafalloFreddyK: universe probably03:53
bob2gtk-gnutella is, and it is in universe03:53
MagicFabI have  a new quesiton - how can I change the name assigned to a newly mounted USB drive ?03:53
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bob2MagicFab: which name?03:53
TelepQuestion: how should I go about enabling DMA for the DVD at boot time?03:54
MagicFabit's being mounted as sda1 , however I don't see that in /etc/fstab03:54
bob2MagicFab: yes, pmount uses it03:54
NafalloTelep: /etc/hdparm.conf03:54
JStrikeFreddyK : Be warned. gtk-gnutella is the single biggest abomination to the HIG in existence03:54
seek187why doesnt ubuntu have the 1.0rc firefox?03:55
MagicFabseek187: it does!03:55
TenniruWhat do I do about this root-made-the-diff-thing problem?03:55
Nafalloseek187: there where problems with it.03:55
MagicFabseek187: oups - it's 1.0pr03:55
bob2seek187: it was too buggy to go into wart03:55
bob2seek187: it's in hoary now03:55
seek187mine says 0.9.303:55
seek187oh ok03:55
MagicFabseek187: wait 'til 1.0, it's around the corner03:55
seek187yup :)03:55
bob2Tenniru: didn't you say you ran the whole thing as your user?03:56
NafalloMagicFab: it's 0.9.3 :-) reverted from 1.0pr03:56
TenniruWell, I did it as Root first...03:56
TenniruWould that... wait.03:56
bob2Tenniru: yes, creating the files as root would fuck things up03:56
bob2hence why you do all this as your user, in your homedir03:56
MagicFabbob2: is there any config file for pmount that I can specify the name I want for my device ?03:56
TenniruDo I now have to build the whole package as root?03:56
bob2Tenniru: no03:56
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bob2Tenniru: please just start over and don't ever use the root terminal again03:57
seek187is there a firewall tool in this dist?03:57
mirak_whatas the point of root terminal.....isnt it just an accident waiting to happen?03:57
bob2seek187: lots of them, but no simple "newbies-use-this" one03:57
LinuxJoneshi everybody !!03:57
seek187ah ok03:57
bob2seek187: on the other hand, the default desktop has no need for a firewall at all03:58
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seek187good lol03:58
bob2seek187: the default install has nothing listening on the internet at all03:58
mirak_seek187, no open ports03:58
jgeorgesonis there a trick to posting to the mailing list forum on ubuntuforums.org? i registered with the site but can't post to that one forum03:58
seek187good then I won't bother with it then03:58
seek187for now..03:58
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bob2jgeorgeson: ask the forum owner03:59
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bob2jgeorgeson: or just use the list normally or via gmane.03:59
jgeorgesonbob2: i did, no reply, thought someone might know here03:59
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bob2jgeorgeson: www.gman.org03:59
bob2er, gmane.03:59
JeffreyB<Wonder> I just logged out for the first time with my new install.. did a restart... and couldn't log in. I had to delete the .ICEauthority file to get logged in. Hmmm.. Ideas?04:00
TenniruUrg. I just tried everything again exactly as you told me, except...04:00
bob2JeffreyB: don't use k3b04:00
TenniruOkay. How do I remove everything I just apt-get'd?04:01
JeffreyBOh.. How'd you know I installed that... Heee.....04:01
jgeorgesonJeffreyB: or only use it from the Root Terminal04:01
bob2JeffreyB: only k3b users complain of that04:01
JeffreyBHa Ha... Cool....04:01
bob2Tenniru: cd ; mkdir tmp ; cd tmp04:01
bob2Tenniru: then run those commands again04:01
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jgeorgesonare there any acpi gurus here? I could use some help (and I'm not getting replies on the acpi list)04:03
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bob2jgeorgeson: lots of clever folk on the list, ask there once you setup your gmane account :)04:04
Gmailat the buttom of ubuntu's site it says this page can be used by any browser well in lynx you don't see that img does that elmenate lynx hehe04:05
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jay__anyone know how to give apache2 php4 support in ubuntu04:06
Gmailjay__: apt-get install libapache2-php404:07
bob2read the FAQ04:07
bob2or install libapache2-mod-php404:07
mdzor both!04:07
Gmailjay__: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php404:07
Gmailor all 304:07
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sch1foim installing ubuntu, and its asking me what type of file system to use04:08
sch1fowhat should i use04:08
Gmailsch1fo: guys what?04:08
sch1fowhat about reiser04:08
bob2if you don't know, it's a good default04:08
sch1foi heard that was the fastest04:08
Gmailand has the most problem04:08
bob2i heard gentoo gives you cancer04:08
bob2just use ext304:08
jay__didnt work04:08
sch1foext3 it is04:08
mirak_i dont think newbs notice the speed diff04:08
bob2reiser can be faster for some things, but you probably won't notice04:08
Gmailjay__: sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php404:09
bob2jay__: "didnt work"?04:09
TenniruHorray! Applying the patch now!04:09
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sch1foshould i set the "bootable flag" to on or off?04:09
jgeorgesonsch1fo: ext3 journals more than some of the other ones, althought I forget what04:09
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sch1foinstalling it on a partition with windows on other04:09
bob2jgeorgeson: not by default04:09
jay__Failed to start apache :04:09
jay__/usr/sbin/apache2 -d /etc/apache2 :04:09
jay__(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::] :8004:09
jay__no listening sockets available, shutting down04:09
jay__Unable to open logs04:09
bob2jgeorgeson: you can enable journal-data if you want04:09
jay__using webmin04:10
bob2jay__: please don't use webmin04:10
jgeorgesonbob2: interesting, that must be why i've never been able to recover from a corrupt ext3fs after a power failuer04:10
sch1foshould i set the "bootable flag" to on or off?04:10
bob2jay__: just "sudo invokre-rc.d apache2 restart" after installing the php4 module.04:10
Gmailjay__: look at vhcs.net04:11
jay__bob2: sure u spelled that right04:11
jay__says command not foudn04:11
bob2jay__: no, but your tab-completion should04:11
Gmailbob2: why don't we replace webmin with vhcs.net04:11
bob2sudo invoke-rc.d apache2 restart04:11
TenniruYay. That was it? I can now use sleep mode?04:11
bob2Tenniru: it built fine?04:12
bob2Tenniru: and you installed the .debs?04:12
sch1foshould i set the "bootable flag" to on or off?04:12
bob2sch1fo: it doesn't matter04:12
jay__firefox still says if i wanna save my php file04:12
bob2Tenniru: restart pbbuttonsd, should work04:12
bob2Tenniru: (Assuming the problem was hal)04:13
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TenniruRestart pbbuttonsd?04:13
TenniruI enter that command?04:13
jgeorgesonTenniru: sudo invoke-rc.d pbbuttonsd restart04:14
jgeorgesoni'm just asusming there is a /etc/init.d/pbbuttonsd for it04:14
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TenniruIt did something.04:15
TenniruNow I can go into sleep mode and come out?04:15
bob2Tenniru: if the problem was hal, yes04:15
bob2jgeorgeson: there is04:15
bitWISEI'm pretty new to linux...i'm trying to install the latest nvidia drivers but i cant get out of xwindows04:16
jay__init 304:16
bob2jay__: no04:16
bob2this isn't redhat04:17
bob2bitWISE: are you following the instructions on the wiki?04:17
bitWISEok, ill try to RTFM some more04:17
bob2bitWISE: you are?04:17
bitWISEno i didnt check the wiki...just the faq04:18
bitWISEim guessing init 3 is like telling someone to format c: in windows?04:19
bob2it's not bad, it's just pointless04:19
bob2on redhat it would shut down X04:19
mirak_dir /v/s/q04:19
mirak_i think thats it04:19
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jay__is there a place on ubuntu website to show me how to setup apache2 correctly04:20
kensaihwat is linuxtoday.com made for?04:20
bob2kensai: trolling04:20
kensaisorry for being off-opic04:20
bob2jay__: install it should be enough04:21
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TenniruIt didn't work.04:21
kensaicause I found in distrowatch.com they say we should boycott them04:21
TenniruAirPort tries to establish a link, I'm told it finished, but then...04:21
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TenniruNothing. I'm just on a command-line that didn't do a thing.04:21
jay__bob2: i tried to open a php file on firefox its asking where do i wanna save it04:21
bob2jay__: did you restart apache?04:21
kensaibecause linuxtoday.com is sponsored by Microsoft cor.04:22
jay__with the invoke command yes04:22
bob2kensai: so is slashdot04:22
bitWISEok so now i should just reboot my machine after enabling the drivers?04:22
bob2Tenniru: what was your original problem?04:22
bob2bitWISE: you don't need to reboot04:22
bob2jay__: is this web server acciesble from the internet?04:22
TenniruThe same.04:22
TenniruThis never fixed it.04:22
jay__not yet: bob204:22
jay__all internal04:22
TenniruI still can't go into sleep mode.04:22
kensaibut slashdot doesn't say it is Linux exclusive04:23
TenniruWithout dying like it did.04:23
bob2Tenniru: no, the original problem04:23
TenniruThat was it.04:23
bob2Tenniru: is your problem "I can't put it to sleep"?04:23
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TenniruNo, it was it won't come out FROM sleep.04:23
bob2jay__: look in /var/log/apache2/error.log, does it mention php?04:23
tux_maybe some has asked this before...04:24
TenniruIt sleeps, but then it doesn't wake up after establishing an AirPort link.04:24
bitWISEsounds like the php engine isnt loaded04:24
tux_where can i get a more current firefox for ubuntu?04:24
TenniruI got the patch file from the Bugzilla that reported that very problem.04:24
bob2Tenniru: you read the eholw bug report and tried killing hal, unloading airport, etc?04:24
bob2tux_: it's in hoary04:24
jay__[Thu Nov 04 22:23:53 2004]  [notice]  child pid 5155 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) <--- last 5 entries04:24
bob2tux_: if you can't deal with hoary breaking, you can either download a tarball from mozilla.org or wait 5 months04:24
mirak_tux_, mozilla.org04:24
bob2jay__: haha04:25
stratkingim sure this has been answered before but i can't find the answer...04:25
bob2jay__: quality php04:25
bob2jay__: do you have php4-imap installed?04:25
stratkingi have a dell laptop and whenever i try to reboot or logout or shutdown, the system just hangs04:25
seek187whats hoary?04:25
stratkinganyone know what might be going on?04:25
tux_mirak_, i knew about that one04:25
jay__says php4-imap is not available04:25
seek187is that like sid?04:25
bob2seek187: the next release of ubuntu,. under development now04:25
mirak_seek187, next release04:25
TenniruHey... would there be any way to switch to KDE?04:25
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bob2jay__: I asked you if you had it, I didn't say you should install it.04:25
bob2Tenniru: apt-get install kde04:25
TenniruJust, like, install it and have Ubuntu boot into it instead of GNOME?04:26
jay__o then no04:26
TenniruThat'd do it?04:26
bob2Tenniru: you didn't answer my question.04:26
seek187is anyone running it ? or is it really unstable?04:26
sch1foguys, how can i change what the default OS that grub boots to ?04:26
jgeorgesonTenniru: kde is in universe, but the current packaging isn't very good, imo04:26
TenniruYes I did.04:26
mirak_bob2, i really try to answer these simple ones....but you always beat me to it04:26
bob2seek187: it's not too bad, but you need to be able to deal with it when it does break04:26
TenniruThe problem I had was it wouldn't WAKE UP.04:26
bob2Tenniru: duh04:26
bob2Tenniru: 13:24:32           bob2 | Tenniru: you read the eholw bug report and tried killing hal, unloading airport, etc?04:26
bob2Tenniru: did you try those things or not?04:26
TenniruGoing to sleep was just fine, but waking up it dies.04:26
TenniruI haven't done these.04:27
bob2Tenniru: yes, I know, I've read you say that 4 times now04:27
TenniruOh. I never saw that..04:27
dopeyseek187: i'd suggest using grub's 'saved' option.04:27
TenniruSorry. Um...04:27
bob2Tenniru: so, you didn't read the bug report?04:27
TenniruHow do I do these things, again?04:27
TenniruI read it...04:27
TenniruIt said th... wait.04:27
TenniruI must have jumped to the patch.04:27
bob2Tenniru: no, you didn't, the bug report mentioned both those as possible solutions04:27
bob2the patch only helps if killing hal does04:27
bob2which I also asked you about earlier04:27
TenniruI wasn't aware of something called HAL at all.04:28
TenniruOr hal, or whatever.04:28
bob2seek187: lots of shiney new toys, tho ;)04:28
TenniruDo I just enter the command "kill hal"?04:28
seek187heh yeah I bet :)04:28
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bob2I'm not sure how you kill hal04:29
bob2well, the proper way04:29
bob2"sudo kill hald" will work04:29
bob2try that and then see if it wakes up04:29
bob2if not, then try that and removing the airport module04:29
TenniruERROR: garbage process ID "hald".04:30
bob2pkill, not kill04:30
jgeorgesonsudo kill `pidof hald`04:30
TenniruNow I just try putting it on sleep...04:31
jay__gonna do an old fashioned reboot04:31
bob2jay__: that won't help04:31
bob2jay__: well, it's highly unlikely to04:31
TenniruIt works!04:31
bob2jay__: file a bug on libapache2-mod-php404:31
TenniruThank you, Bob. You have the patience of a saint.04:31
bob2the patch should have worked then04:31
bob2since all it did is kill hal04:32
bob2anyway, when sleep on my ibook is likely to work, I'll rebuild pbbuttonsd with the and put it up somewhere04:32
jay__i wish ubuntu would work on my pbook04:32
TenniruWell, thanks.04:33
bob2it works on all powerbooks, afaik04:33
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bob2well, all new-world ones04:33
jay__not my 17ih04:33
jay__just locks up after 2-3min04:33
bob217" al or ti?04:33
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bob2I've seen one of the people I work with running ubuntu on theirs04:33
bob2is the fan module loaded?04:34
jay__if the module loads by default then yes04:34
jay__which module04:34
bob2I don't know if it does04:34
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jay__whats the name of the module04:36
bob2I don't know04:36
jay__will give ubuntu another shot if thats the problem04:36
bob2what is the number of the bug you filed?04:36
bitWISEok im back...still having problems...anyone able get quake 3 running?04:36
jay__who me?04:37
jay__havent done it04:37
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bob2jay__: please file one or ask on the list04:37
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Burgundaviahow do I turn off emacs keybindings?04:38
tux_jay__: that's how opensource gets better04:38
bob2Burgundavia: turn them off?  or you mean the emacs-style ones in gnome?04:38
MagicFabMy ubuntu install is in french. Can I easily change this to english ?04:38
MagicFabSwtich back and forth ?04:38
Burgundaviabob2: Yes, it is supposed to be in keyboard-shortcuts but it is not04:39
bob2it's in gconf now04:39
bob2not sure where, tell me if you find it04:39
nomasteryodaMagicFab: can't you do that on the login screen?04:40
MagicFabI mean, permanently04:40
XLXbob2: I think 1 stick of RAM is Fuxed in my box04:40
MagicFabthen be able to go back to fr occasionally04:40
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bitWISEhey im running dual celeron 366s. i should be running the 686smp kernel right?04:43
bob2you can if you want04:43
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bitWISEcan synaptic update glibc as well? what tree is it under if so?04:45
bob2it can04:45
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bob2what are you trying to do?04:45
toothpickwhat do I apt-get install so I can compile gimp 2.2?04:45
bob2toothpick: no, ubuntu does not have it either04:45
bob2toothpick: apt-get build-dep gimp04:46
Pizbittoothpick: Why do you want to compile it?04:46
bitWISEi saw something saying there is an issue with nivdia drivers and glibc2.3 causing q3 to crash during vid_restart04:46
toothpickCause I downloaded the .gz of the testing version.04:46
PizbitOh, heh, the .2 heh04:46
bob2Pizbit: because it's not packaged because it doesn't exist yet04:46
bob2Burgundavia: ask nvidia to fix it04:46
bob2bitWISE: ^04:46
bob2bitWISE: you cannot downgrade glibc04:46
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Safari_Alman.  getting autoinstall to work on ubuntu is a real battle.04:47
bitWISEok, i thought maybe 2.3 wasnt the newest or something....well that sucks04:47
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sch1foi just installed ubuntu04:49
sch1foand when it boots, i just get a black screen04:49
sch1foright after starting gnome display manager04:49
sch1fothis on a d800 dell laptop04:50
bob2are you using only Free drivers?04:50
sch1fonot using anything04:50
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sch1fojust installed ubuntu04:50
sch1fodetected everything itself04:50
bob2ask on the user list04:50
bob2because you're infintely more likely to get an answer04:51
PizbitBecause the user-list is well populated with knowledgable people;)04:51
sch1fowhy should i keep up with this and not simply install fedora instead04:51
sch1fothats what im asking guys04:51
bob2sch1fo: do whatever you want04:51
sch1fowhat would you do04:51
bob2I'd ask on the user list04:51
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sch1fotakes time to get a reply though04:51
bob2of course04:51
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PizbitThe user list is actually rather useful04:52
bob2choudesh[away] : turn that off04:52
sch1fohow useful can it be04:53
sch1foi cant even boot up04:53
toothpickwouldn't apt-get install build-essential get me all I need to compile stuff?04:53
bob2choudesh[away] : it's extremely annoying and I've asked you politely 3 times now04:53
bob2toothpick: no04:53
bob2toothpick: it gets you enough to compile "hello, world" in C or C++04:53
bob2toothpick: more complicated programs require more libraries, hence my suggestion04:53
Pizbitsch1fo: No grub stuff showing?04:54
sch1fosure does show04:55
sch1foselect ubuntu, but just stops after "starting gnome display manager"04:56
sch1foblack screen04:56
PizbitTried the rescue mode?04:56
sch1fopress the off button on my laptop, then starts to reboot (unloading crap)04:56
sch1fopizbit, im not a linux expert04:56
Pizbitsch1fo: Hit ESC when the grub stuff first appears, but it sounds like it's just a mis-configured X, no biggy really04:56
sch1fothen what04:57
XLXreconfigure X04:58
sch1foi dont even know how04:58
Pizbitsch1fo: I'm pointing out that it's most likely not as big a problem as you're thinking, email the user list witht he specs of your laptop, make and model and that after the ""starting gnome display manager" the screen stays black04:59
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Gmailyay java is working05:01
XLXsch1fo:  did you try a LIVE CD ?05:02
XLXI just found out that my RAM is shit05:05
toothpickthanks for the help gnight all05:05
XLXso I couldn't even install it05:05
tux_guys, i have a LUG member who can't get in to X on his laptop... its a new dell (aug 2004)05:05
tux_issues with Vert & Horiz05:05
XLXLIVE CD ran just fine though05:05
Pizbittux_: Tried setting them manually in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ?05:05
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Gmaila message from distrowatch05:06
GmailWe urge our visitors to boycott LINUXTODAY.COM. LINUXTODAY.COM is currently sponsored by Microsoft Corporation and displays anti-Linux messages on its web site. We consider this practice immoral and hypocritical for a web site that acts as a Linux advocacy resource.05:06
PizbitGmail: And so everyone clicks?05:06
bob2Gmail: chill out05:06
bob2also, distrowatch is one to be talking05:06
bob2and stop obsessing over such a pointless website05:06
tux_Pizbit, i have not touched it ...yet05:06
tux_told him how05:06
Safari_Aljdub, autoinstall is full of bugs.  time for some fai love I think.05:06
tux_he said he did05:06
tux_weekend work05:07
PizbitGmail: Ads are often served up by an ad company and they have little control over what ads are placed05:07
Gmailit not my caps05:07
PizbitJust laugh and enjoy the irony.05:07
tux_Gmail, if they pay the bills...05:07
tux_yea, laugh05:07
Gmaili just copypasted what distrowatch said they typed it in caps05:08
tux_taking even more Cash from billygatz05:08
Pizbittux_: I'm not sure he understands what's so amusing.05:09
GmailPizbit: google's adsence you can chose to blocks what ads get shown on your site so do a few 10000 other ad companies05:09
tux_Pizbit, yea05:10
tux_bit out there for him05:10
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Gmailohh google is offering $50 for free of advertisinf on adwords so time to start putting up those ubuntu ads for free05:11
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MagicFabbob2: found out how to change the language05:12
MagicFabwhen I close my session, the login screen has an option for languages05:12
MagicFabIf I choose "POSIX/English", I get a prompt asking if I want to make this choice permanent05:13
MagicFabFrench remains available05:13
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tux_thought so05:15
tux_glad you found it05:16
seek187is the Java VM in the repository?05:16
XLXbob2: Memtest86 is taking a while...but I already see 200,000 errors..hehe on one of the sticks of RAM05:16
bob2seek187: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats05:16
XLX..and the number is growing :)05:17
PizbitXLX: Nasty05:18
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sch1foscrew this guys, im going back to fedora05:24
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nomasteryodaouchie schweeb_05:24
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nomasteryodaouchie sch1fo05:25
hypa7iaya can't win em all05:25
hypa7iawell, right away in any event :-)05:25
PizbitAt least he emailed the list05:25
nomasteryodahe'll be back05:25
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Pizbithypa7ia: Just as long as you realise I'm your boss.05:26
Gmailseek187: i install java using the easier apt-get methord it says unless you want a newer version05:26
hypa7iasuuure Pizbit05:26
nomasteryodai can play bzflag straight up on ubuntu....whereas on suse or mandrake  (same system) it just crawls05:27
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=== Pizbit counter-plots.
=== hypa7ia giggles
hypa7iaworldwide 2600 meets tomorrow, woot.05:27
XLXUbuntu Live was the only distro that booted up with my shitty RAM05:28
hypa7iashould be fun.  we found wifi at the last meet.  *fires up kismet*05:28
hypa7iaok so the node wasn't even wepped :-p05:28
seek187Gmail,  I tried to but it has a error saying it depends on a differnt file that isnt there05:29
tux_so where is this meet05:29
PizbitXLX: It's all an illusion.05:29
Pizbitseek187: Have you enabled universe?05:29
hypa7iatux_: what city?05:29
XLXI'm running memtest05:29
PizbitProbably multiverse too05:29
seek187Pizbit, yup05:29
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XLXand my stick of ram is crap05:29
seek187I have them all enabled05:29
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XLXwill I have to recompile the kernel to get support for dual procs ?05:30
bob2install one of the smp packages05:31
bob2apt-cache search linux-image smp05:31
XLXafter the install05:31
XLXwouldn't it be better to just recompile though ?05:32
Gmailseek187: yea i got that error to but search for j2 and java and install java-package05:32
seek187Gmail, do I install the blackdownj2re thing?05:35
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XLXwell...thnx for all the pointers ...05:37
seek187sigh, I dont know it won't let me install any of them05:37
Gmailseek187: no05:38
Gmailit say it uninstallble05:38
Gmailjust any thing you think is right is what you05:39
Gmaildon't d/l the docs05:39
Gmailor src05:39
Gmailthe doc stuff up.... already a bug reported05:39
seek187yeah it wont let me install any of them the sunj2re1.4 1.5 ect..05:40
Gmaildon't install anything sun*05:40
seek187ok lol05:40
seek187what package do i install?05:41
seek187I have java-package installed\05:41
Gmailanything java* or j2* that you think is right05:42
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seek187ok I see I think05:42
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argo_Can anybody help with "apt" configuration ?05:43
seek187how about the sdkS?05:43
Gmailit you want to make java program yes05:44
Gmailseek187: ask me on howto add the plug into firefox if you want me to tell ya05:44
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seek187heh, that was going to be my next question05:45
billytwowillygaim keeps using gedit to open webpages for mail reading in hotmail. How do I change this to firefox?05:45
seek187k java is installed now05:47
Gmailok do the following05:48
Gmail cd /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins05:48
Gmailln -sf /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so05:49
Gmailrestart firefox or it will crash05:49
Gmailseek187: no add a root passwd its a lot easier05:49
seek187can I just do sudo -s?05:50
Gmailsudo passwd root05:50
Gmailseek187: you can but i don't support sudo05:50
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seek187hmm didnt work05:51
Gmailsudo root passwd ?05:51
seek187no the ln -sf /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so05:52
Gmaili mean05:52
Gmailwhat error?05:52
Gmailfile not fund?05:52
seek187no error just no java in firefox05:52
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Gmailtux_: i am hel[ing him05:52
Gmailseek187: restart firefox05:52
tux_i know05:52
bob2choudesh[away] : turn that off05:52
bob2jesus christ.05:53
seek187I did05:53
tux_do about:plugins in firefox address bar05:53
Gmailwell it works for me05:53
seek187yeah its not there05:53
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tux_be sure to check the version05:54
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Gmailseek187: its not at the buttom05:55
seek187how do I check the version05:55
Gmailhow did you install firefox?05:55
Gmaildid you install the ubuntu version or off mozilla.org?05:55
xE_NeonHi all05:55
seek187ubuntu version05:55
Pizbitseek187: Why the f in ln ?05:56
PizbitAnd you were in the firefox plugins dir when you did it right?05:56
seek187I dont know why the f was there I just typed what he said05:57
Gmailseek187: opp yea take out the f05:57
seek187and yeah I am in there05:57
Gmaili just cp the commands i used05:58
Gmailand i didn't do the same way as you05:58
seek187hmmm still doesnt work tho05:59
seek187libjavaplugin_oji.so is red in my comsole in the plugins folder if that means anything05:59
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lrnhey dead mates06:00
lrnI would like to add good sources for my ubuntu06:00
Pizbitseek187: That means it's a dead link06:00
seek187well thats not good06:00
PizbitYeah, delete it and try the symlink again after checking the path06:00
tux_seek187: look for the folder where java actually is installed06:00
lrnand where can i change the GRUB boot loader06:01
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lrnand where can i change the GRUB boot loader06:03
seek187hmm I have no j2 or java folders at all in /usr/lib but its there in /usr/bin/java06:03
Gmailseek187: are you sing i38606:04
tux_you can just do the link from there06:04
seek187oh ok06:04
Gmaili gave you the link for i38606:04
tux_sorry i was not clear on version statement06:04
tux_i've installed java like 100 times06:05
seek187how am I supposed to link is from there?06:05
seek187there is no plugin file06:05
seek187I have no clue I just installed it via Synaptic06:07
xE_Neonfirefox 0.10+ could automatic download & install plugins06:07
lrnand where can i change the GRUB boot loader06:08
hypa7ialrn: what changes do you want to make?  i think its grub.conf06:08
lrnbut where is the file?06:08
hypa7iabut please don't repaste questions like that :-)06:08
hypa7iasomewhere in /etc?06:08
xE_Neonat /boot/grub/grub.conf06:08
xE_Neonyou can "nano -w" or "vi" it06:09
lrnits in /boot/grub/menu.lst06:09
xE_Neono ,it is also06:09
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lrnand another thing06:10
Gmailseek187: are you using a i386?06:10
lrnI want to add good ubuntu sources06:10
lrnwhere can i find them?06:11
seek187I think I know whats wrong one sec06:11
seek187I think I install the wrong thing...06:11
xE_Neonyou can edit /etc/apt/sources.list06:11
lrni know06:11
lrni removed the # from the sources06:11
lrnbut i want more06:11
seek187lrn,  do you have multiverse?06:12
tux_lrn, they are in the wiki06:12
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lrnseek187 I don`t know,how can i check?06:12
tux_less /etc/apt/sources.list06:13
xE_Neonif you use chinese language,you can add sources as sources.list at Hiweed-debian06:13
seek187add multiverse next to universe like 'universe multiverse'06:13
seek187in sources.list06:13
xE_Neonsid main06:14
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xE_Neonwho is developer of ubuntu here?06:14
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seek187ugh now the java licence agreement is stuck in synaptic06:15
lamontxE_Neon: what did you need?06:16
xE_Neonif I download from offer sources ,it's so slow06:17
xE_NeonI'm in ShangHai at Chinese06:17
xE_NeonWe develop a debian-like distro,it's named Hiweed-Debian06:18
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xE_Neonwe want stady ubuntu,and rebuild hiweed-debian06:20
xE_NeonI'm also a menber of gnome-cn team06:21
Se7hnable to exec ./Netcount: Permission denied06:21
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Se7hwhy is this ?06:21
Se7hi cant run binaries06:21
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niranchmod a+x Netcount06:21
ctdchmod a+x Netcount06:22
ctdniran: Beat me :(06:22
LowryIs there a ppc channel?06:22
xE_Neononly chmod u+x06:22
seek187ugh there now I have the j2re folder in lib06:22
Se7hunable to exec ./Netcount: Permission denied06:22
xE_Neonsu - root06:22
xE_Neonor sudo it06:23
Se7hi did it06:23
Se7hbut it wont run06:23
xE_Neonka ka ka ^06:23
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ctdLowry: Isn't #ubuntu ggod enough for you, think you need a ppc channel too, aye.06:23
niranquick question06:25
niranmy dates show up as dd/mm/yy06:25
niranin the clock and evolution06:25
nirananyone know how to change it?06:25
LowryJust having some panther to ubuntu ethernet problems06:25
niranmy locale is US and everything06:25
ctdLowry: I can try helping you06:26
LowryMy ethernet card is now active on my powerbook06:26
xE_Neonwhat locale are you want change?06:26
LowryThi is looking better06:26
nirani don't want to change the locale, it's already correct06:27
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xE_Neonwa~ powerbook06:27
niranbut the date format is wrong for some reason06:27
regeyaniran wants the date to display differently06:27
tux_seek187, so is the plugin folder there now?06:27
LowryG4 to ppc ubuntu on a powerbook06:27
regeyathat might be handy to know (I don't care, so I never bothered; 4 Nov is readable to me)06:27
xE_Neonniran,do you use "date ddmmyy"?06:27
seek187yeah but it still doesnt work after I linked it grr06:28
nirani haven't tried that06:29
seek187I have it linked to javaplugin_oji.so for java 1.3 but doesnt work06:29
xE_NeonI hope bay a PowerBook,bug I have no maney06:29
niranlemme read the date man page really quick06:29
niranok when i type date -u, it prints the date in the right order06:30
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xE_Neonln -sf /usr/share/timezone/xxxx /etc/localtime06:31
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nomasteryodaseek187: post file path here06:32
nomasteryodafor java plugin06:32
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seek187ln -s /usr/lib/j2se/1.3/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/javaplugin_oji.so06:32
niranxE_Neon: what will that do?06:33
seek187thats what I did06:33
tux_while in the firefox plugin folder?06:33
seek187its in there with the flah plugin I have06:33
seek187and it is not a dead link06:33
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xE_Neonit will set your timezone06:34
yohannescan anyone recommend a p2p app for linux?06:34
seek187and I restarted firefox06:34
Tomcat_yohannes: Azureus06:34
guinnesstons of emule clones06:34
tux_seek187, do you have regular mozilla installed06:34
guinnessif thats the way you swing06:34
xE_NeonHow can I build a Aqua desktop on ubuntu?06:34
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yohannestomcat: thanks06:34
guinnessanyone have the sound in ut2004 working?06:34
xE_Neonwho tried ?06:34
seek187I could download it tho I guess06:34
yohanneshow about similar app like shareaza?06:35
niranxE_Neon: hmm... but my timezone is already set in gnome06:35
tux_under /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins i see lots of plugins06:35
Pakalwhy mozilla-firefox is 0.9?  last time that I installed was 1.006:35
seek187I put it in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins06:35
[Siff] yohannes: somebody mentioned 'apollon' earlier06:35
tux_that should work06:35
nomasteryodalet me look on my suse box06:36
Pakalyohannes: try xMule06:36
guinnessanyone play ut2004?06:36
xE_Neonlet me think06:36
PizbitPakal: Apparently they found it too buggy06:36
nomasteryodagot killed06:36
Pakalguinness: kernel version?06:36
yohannesthanks guys06:36
Pakalinsert your module with modconf06:37
Lowryif you like ut2004 try the ww2 red orchestra tc06:37
Pakalapt-get install modconf06:37
guinnessred orch is ok...06:38
Gmailohlala bug vil has been hit06:38
tux_seek187, is there an ns610 folder under java plugin folder06:38
seek187netscape6 yeah06:39
tux_try using that one in the path06:39
Gmailseek187: are you using firefox 1rc1?06:40
Gmaili am06:40
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tux_here too06:40
Gmailthat might be the reason for the path being wrong06:40
seek187Im using the one that came with ubuntu06:41
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seek1879.3 0.9.306:42
tux_yeah, cd into the folder and confirm the plugin locaitons06:42
tux_in java06:42
[Siff] does a default ubuntu install have support for the NTFS fs?06:42
seek187that other plugin doesnt work either06:42
tux_then do the link06:42
seek187I did06:42
Gmailseek187: ok upgrade06:42
niran[Siff] : yes06:42
Gmailyou know howto?06:42
tux_seek187, i'm installing blackdown verison06:42
seek187lol nope\06:42
Gmailit in hoary06:42
xE_Neonapt-get upgrade06:43
GmailxE_Neon: NO!06:43
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guinnessdoes anyone have ut2004 working correctly? i cant get sound06:43
GmailxE_Neon: he doesn't want a stuffed system06:43
Gmailseek187: in synaptic goto settings > responsory change warty to haory06:44
[Siff] niran: so i can't just mnt it and it should read without any patching?06:44
[Siff] *can06:44
[Siff] sorry06:44
Gmailthen upgrade firefox ONLY after doing a refresh06:44
seek187in all the mirrors?06:44
Gmailthen swap back to warty06:44
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Gmailseek187: yes06:45
mattyok this is a dumb question, but how do I register a nickname on freenode?06:45
tux_seek187, look at this guide too06:45
Gmailand refresh after06:45
Gmailtux_: he has06:45
Gmailtux_: bob2 told him first thing06:46
hypa7iamatty: /msg Nickserv help06:47
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seek187hmmm is it spelled haory?06:47
hypa7iameans frosty :-)06:48
seek187thanks :)06:48
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hypa7iaanyone know how out-of-date the blackdown java debs are?06:49
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tux_seek187, i just installed the Blackdown installer and it installed fine06:49
CredMorning people06:49
hypa7iamornin' Cred :-)06:49
tux_~1am here06:50
hypa7iahere too06:50
Credhypa7ia, ah.. Java. I was going to install it but since it's nonfree.. ;)06:50
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seek187ok its upgrading06:50
hypa7iaboo nonfree!06:50
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CredThe original BitTorrent sucks. Yesterday it took over 4h to download 350 while at the time I had uploded well over 820megs :/06:50
vortex25yeah no joke06:51
seek187tux_, you mean the file named blackdownj2re ? that thing?06:51
hypa7iameh, i got 2 gigs in 3 hours :-)06:51
seek187it won't let me install that06:51
vortex25is azureus probably the best under linux? I use it under os x and i use it or bitcomet under windows06:51
tux_like that page i posted06:51
Credhypa7ia, lucky ;)06:51
seek187it said it was uninstallable06:51
tux_using Method306:51
seek187oh ok06:51
hypa7iayay canuckian broadband :-)06:51
Credvortex25, yep. It's the best but because it uses Java.. :)06:51
seek187ill try that then06:51
Credor "the best"06:51
hypa7iathe best tho:  connecting from U of T to York (two uni's in the same city)06:51
vortex25I'm actually not a huge fan of Java, but that's just because I stuck to C++ and then moved to C#, but I've heard C# is a lot like Java so maybe I'd like it06:52
hypa7iadownloaded 2.5 gigs of debian in.... 12 minutes :-)06:52
CredJava and C# are really the same for me due to licensing. Java is the smaller evil of the two hehe.06:52
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hypa7iamy plan is to learn python06:54
hypa7iai figure it'll be a good start :-)06:54
CredProbably :)06:54
CredI have D language and Ada on my list.06:55
hypa7iai've heard of D.... high level mathy language, right?06:55
hypa7iai plan on going python -> java -> perl -> c++06:55
burnboyanyone having problems with ssh in ubuntu timing out after a short period...not just SSH but anything else, like VNC06:56
CredI wouldn't say mathy but it's high level yes. http://www.digitalmars.com/d/comparison.html for details :)06:56
Credburnboy, not here. What's the problem?06:56
CredOr obviously you have a timeout problem heh :)06:56
burnboywell i had it before..and re-installed and my connection just times out to them06:57
burnboyand it's not the network..i am streaming from another computer and do nearly 12 hours a day06:57
burnboywith no timeouts..it's just my ubuntu box that has probs..even swithced out the network card06:57
Credhypa7ia, nice list you got there :)06:57
hypa7iai think so :-)06:58
hypa7ianow, if only i had a couple of years...06:58
CredAny ideas for a small Gnome program? I want to practise programming for it but I need a rather good idea first.06:58
Credhypa7ia, why? Are you going to die soon? :o06:59
vortex25a program to view .cbr files :)06:59
hypa7iaa better battery applet :-)06:59
vortex25i.e. scanned comics, I'm not much into 'em, but I was looking for a viewer and couldn't really find any06:59
hypa7iaCred: full time school part time work, volunteering... a lot to do :-/06:59
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vortex25they are just .rar'd or .zipped images06:59
Credvortex25, well if that's the case maybe your favorite packer/zipper/archiver should have that support.07:00
CredHmm, btw does anyone here know how to make working /dev/video0?07:01
vortex25to some extent, but dedicated viewers are kind of spiffier07:01
CredApparently proper modules are loaded during boot (according to dmesg etc. they are).07:01
vortex25I may just make one for practice the more I think of it07:01
hypa7ia<-- noob what does /dev/video0 do Cred?07:02
vortex25isn't that video cam?07:04
vortex25if memory serves right I think it is07:04
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hypa7iaoh, cool07:04
hypa7iai have to do that at some point.07:05
hypa7iatodo: fglrx, internal wifi, acpi, wacom tablet07:05
hypa7iadamn peripherals :-(07:05
vortex25fglrx worked better on this distro that some others I tried to get it working on07:06
vortex25only took about 5 minutes here on my 9600xt all in wonder07:06
hypa7iayeah, i had it working in fedora 2 so i'm not too worried07:06
hypa7iaacpi and wifi tho... patching kernels... this is pushing the limits of what i know :-/07:07
vortex25Mandrake 10.1 was a bear about it, it finally worked but that distro was buggy07:07
vortex25that's what I like about ubuntu I haven't run into too many bugs at all, if really any07:07
hypa7iame neither.  and the chan is so friendly.  and i love gnome.07:08
hypa7iai was on os xfor 2 years previously, so it's perfect :-)07:08
tux_seek187, just got it working on my ubuntu box07:10
tux_the hoary install even duplicated my plugins from the mozilla folder07:11
tux_very nice07:11
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Mestaphelesanyone running ppc?07:11
LowryI am07:11
LowryG3 powerbook bronze07:12
vortex25yeah I work on mac's (repair them) and I want one but can't afford it and I must say I'm a fan of this Gnome07:12
Mestaphelesdid you try to put kde overtop?07:12
vortex25it is a step in the right direction07:12
Mestapheleswondering if KDE 3.3 is in universe repo07:13
LowryHaving some dvd problems07:13
LowryWith totem07:13
jdubMestapheles: not 3.3, no07:13
jdubMestapheles: warty froze in late june07:13
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Mestaphelesyes, I've read about the dvd problems, I think xine works07:13
jdubLowry: install libdvdcss and totem-xine07:13
vortex25yeah Lowry I had the same issue07:13
Mestaphelesand use what ever gnome front for xine07:14
tux_seek187, any luck yet07:14
vortex25Lowry: don't worry about the ubuntu-desktop it says it needs to uninstall07:14
Credhypa7ia, /dev/video0 is for TV cards for example07:14
vortex25it won't hurt anything I'm told07:14
tux_nite, er greetings all07:14
MestaphelesI'm thinking of putting ubuntu on my brother;s imac but he doesn't like gnome.  I read here that someone succesfully put kde 3.3 on but that was pc not ppc07:15
hypa7iaCred: good to know, thanks07:15
Mestapheleswhat version of kde is available for ppc?07:15
lamontMestapheles: kde had issues on ppc/warty.07:16
lamontand I think kde is still pending for hoary07:17
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lamontarts is still in need of love for hoary, which will release the kde dep-wait-chain-of-dispair07:17
lrnI just mounted my ntft DISKS,and i can`t see hebrew at them07:17
Mestapheleswondering if a dist-upgrade to ubuntu is possible?07:18
vortex25I'm definitely a converted Gnome user, I hadn't used it since 2.4 and I like it a ton more than KDE07:18
lamontMestapheles: from?07:18
hypa7ialrn: you can't hebrew at them?07:18
lrncan`t see hebrew there07:18
lrni don`t even see the file,like its missing07:18
hypa7iaweird, no idea about that, sorry lrn07:19
lamontMestapheles: from woody, supported.  Sarge < June 28, 2004 should certainly work.  Sarge > June 28, or sid introduces some challenges07:19
lamontrecent sarge/sid is really a cross-grade... some packages are newer in ubuntu, some are older.07:19
lrnubuntu will move to X.org ?07:19
hypa7iafor hoary, lrn07:19
lamontlrn: that's what I understand07:19
Mestapheleslamont:I just recently installed sarge from RC2 or RC107:20
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Mestaphelesand I've updated today07:20
lamontMestapheles: that would be known to be highly risky07:20
lamontcertainly outside of "supported"07:20
lrnI can`t see movies,and i installed what they told me in wiki07:21
lrnany one could help07:21
lamontand generally in the "expected to not work for mere mortals, probably not work without great pain for developer types"07:21
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Mestaphelesmaybe I'll wait till kde works07:21
hypa7ialrn: you've gor w32codecs?07:22
hypa7iafrom marillat?07:22
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hypa7iaerk, that's all i know07:22
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vortex25hey lrn have you installed totem-xine?07:25
lrni think07:26
vortex25I had issues with totem-gstreamer which is the default07:26
lrnapt-get install totem-xine07:26
lrnReading Package Lists... Done07:26
lrnBuilding Dependency Tree... Done07:26
lrntotem-xine is already the newest version.07:26
vortex25hmmm mine plays about everything after I did that07:26
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lrnwhat is the command to run totem-xine /07:26
vortex25that should run it07:27
vortex25what kind of files are you trying to play?07:27
vortex25do you know what they are encoded in?07:27
Mestaphelesuse totem with xine07:27
Lowrylater ppl07:27
aTypicalHi, all.  Is there a good howto for installing Mplayer?07:27
Mestaphelesintall xine wsa a fix that I read about07:27
vortex25aTypical: it is in the ubuntuforums.org07:28
aTypicalvortex25, thank you.07:28
vortex25as in dvd or just .mpg?07:28
lrnjust .mpg07:28
vortex25aTypical: under HOWTO'S07:28
Mestaphelesalong with installing xine you light install some dependencies you're missing07:28
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vortex25hey lrn07:29
vortex25install gxine07:29
vortex25and then use totem again07:29
vortex25and see if that installs the files you needed to do it, I installed gxine also and I don't have problems07:30
erekwhat is ubuntu like? compared to say gentoo?07:30
vortex25less compiling ;)07:30
blacknyxnot such a migraine07:30
hypa7iait rocks, erek :-)07:30
vortex25I like it just as well07:30
Tsjoklatless headaches07:30
Mestapheleswhat's ubuntu comapred to deboan sarge?07:30
Tsjoklatno medication bills07:30
Mestapheleswhat's ubuntu comapred to debian sarge?07:30
Tsjoklata million times better Mestapheles07:30
hypa7iaMestapheles: more up to date07:30
hypa7iai'm running both07:30
blacknyxyeah what Tsjoklat said07:30
vortex25I don't know if it is faster, but it isn't slow, or noticeably slower for that matter07:30
TsjoklatI had Sarge for two hours...07:31
Tsjoklatfive times07:31
vortex25it is cool 'cause it installs the default programs you'd want w/o a ton more07:31
Tsjoklatit is either Sid or nothing07:31
Tsjoklatif you want Debian07:31
erekthe name is kindof strange to me07:31
vortex25african isn't it?07:31
Mestaphelesand ubuntu stablaizes sid07:31
blacknyxI have SuSe right now, used to have ubuntu, but now I want to have both distros on.07:31
blacknyxbut last time I messed up the boot, so had to start over.07:32
Tsjoklatgot ubu and sid07:32
hypa7iaerek: "humanity towards others"07:32
Tsjoklatbut liking ubu better07:32
MestaphelesTsjoklat: you says it's five times faster?07:32
TreenaksTsjoklat: sid or nothing? I'm running sarge on my server ;)07:33
blacknyxonly thing i wish was that mplayer was included in apt-get.07:33
Tsjoklatlol Treenaks.. you always have the last word :P07:33
Tsjoklatyes Mestapheles07:33
TreenaksTsjoklat: :P07:34
justdaveI just upgraded a Beige G3 from Sid to Hoary a few days ago...  and since upgrading, it no longer recognizes the USB keyboard (but the USB mouse works just fine).  Anyone have any ideas what to look for?07:34
TsjoklatI am sooooooooooo not disputing you hehehe07:34
Tsjoklatand you are up early man07:34
Treenaksjustdave: hotplug?07:34
TreenaksTsjoklat: early? usually I'm up an hour earlier07:34
vortex25I agree on the mplayer07:34
Treenaksit's just that I have the morning off07:34
britt_radiofreeblacknyx, it is in multiverse07:34
MestaphelesTsjoklat: you running ppc?07:35
justdaveTreenaks: yeah, hotplug is installed, checked that already.  I don't know if it needs special config or not though07:35
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Treenaksjustdave: 2.6 kernel? module-init-tools?07:35
TsjoklatI have eight boxes but no ppc sorry07:35
Tsjoklatright now I am updating one of my machines to hoary... I am so anxious07:36
blacknyxbritt_radiofree: I don't believe so, in all my reading I haven't run across that term yet, though I'm still new to linux.07:36
Mestapheleswondering if it would make a speed diff on an old imac DV 400mhz07:36
Mestaphelesas compared to debian sarge07:36
vortex25hey what is the shortcut to change workspaces?07:36
vortex25or cycle to be more specific07:36
britt_radiofreeblacknyx, it's in there :) include multiverse in your sources.list07:36
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britt_radiofreevortex25, ctrl-alt left/right07:37
vortex25is the mplayer package pretty stable?07:37
vortex25thanks britt_radiofree07:37
Tsjoklatwell if you want information about sarge you should talk to Treenaks07:37
Tsjoklathe is the Sarge miracle man07:37
Mestaphelesany ppc users also use debian-ppc before?07:37
blacknyxbritt_radiofree:  I'll try to find out more about it now, thanks for the tip.07:37
jdubMestapheles: i've used both, yes, on my green toilet seat ibook.07:38
Tsjoklatgreen toilet seat?07:38
TreenaksMestapheles: not much speed difference probably07:38
Tsjoklatsounds... appealing07:38
Mestaphelesis it running any faster than debian-ppc?07:38
TreenaksMestapheles: ubuntu is just "more convenient"07:38
TreenaksMestapheles: a lot :)07:38
TsjoklatI dislike Sarge07:38
Tsjoklatdidn't work for shyte07:39
Tsjoklatplus it has Debian submenu07:39
Tsjoklatto which I am allergic07:39
Tsjoklatgives me hives07:39
jdubTsjoklat: http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/blog/1095608125 :-)07:39
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jdubMestapheles: not sure there's a qualitative difference in speed, really.07:39
Tsjoklatit is indeed green... neo green?07:40
calcTsjoklat: you could just delete it, like ubuntu did07:40
lrn xmms07:40
lrnlibmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory07:40
lrnInconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!07:40
lrnwhy ?07:40
blacknyxdoes each different distro need its own /boot? but yet not its own boot driver?  is that how it works?07:40
Mestaphelesfirewire suported I guess sinse sarge supports it07:40
Tsjoklathave you tried that calc?07:40
Tsjoklatit is IMPOSSIBLE07:40
calcTsjoklat: or just uninstall menu07:40
Tsjoklateven the debian ppl say it is locked07:40
calcTsjoklat: uninstalling menu makes it go away (from what i recall)07:40
jdublrn: install libmikmod207:40
Tsjoklatcalc: do a google and you will be amazed about how many ppl have tried07:40
calcit does for kde in any case07:40
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TreenaksTsjoklat: if it's anything like my old green iMac, it's "gifgroen" :)07:40
Tsjoklatno with sarge/gnome07:40
Tsjoklatit is gifgroen Treenaks07:40
calcTsjoklat: without the menu package it can't populate the menu period07:40
jdubcalc: uninstalling menu makes it have no menu items ;)07:41
jdubcalc: but the menu itself stays there07:41
Tsjoklatjdub knows07:41
calcjdub: oh hahaha it doesn't make the top level go away07:41
jdubwhich is bong07:41
TsjoklatI have been cowing in here about it for yonks07:41
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jdubanyway, it has been removed upstream for 2.10, and removed from ubuntu for our release :)07:41
Tsjoklatyes Mestapheles?07:41
calcremove menu and it goes away07:41
Tsjoklatcalc: not in gnome07:41
calcjdub: so how will it show debian menu items now?07:41
Mestaphelessorry meant to write "gifgroen"?07:41
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jdubcalc: [menu.c is gnome-panel is famously horrific :-) ] 07:41
calcTsjoklat: i am talking about kde's07:42
jdubcalc: it doesn't.07:42
Tsjoklatgifgroen means poisonious green07:42
Mestaphelesyes I have a lime green imac07:42
calcjdub: isn't that a violation of policy for debian's anyway07:42
Mestaphelesone of the fruity ones07:42
jdubcalc: from my POV, the debian menu structure is terrible, and the kinds of stuff that appears in it is baroque. :-)07:42
Tsjoklatfruity sounds better then toilet seat :)07:42
calcjdub: agreed07:42
TsjoklatI emailed debian to ask about that their response was: we locked it so that ppl cant mess it up anymore.. we got tired of those07:43
Tsjoklatbut to be expected07:43
Mestapheleswith a whopping whole 400mhz07:43
Tsjoklathey Treenaks?07:43
Tsjoklathow did the sage ended with lyp and debby?07:43
TreenaksMestapheles: I'm running on a 600MHz (i386) laptop.07:43
calcjdub: something needs to be done to unify the menu in fdo, once more than just kde supports menu spec it will be a big mess07:43
jdubcalc: yeah07:44
TreenaksTsjoklat: Uh, he moaned some more, said 'bbl' and hasn't come back since07:44
jdubcalc: especially with menu-xdg... eeeeeek! :)07:44
TsjoklatI love debian distro, I dislike debian 'support/help' but I am sold to ubu07:44
hypa7iaagreed Tsjoklat :-)07:45
Tsjoklattotally hooked07:45
vortex25Man, it is annoying that some packages don't install to the menu right :( like Chromium, Lbreakout2, some others07:45
TsjoklatTreenaks: I haven't heard from him in a few days so I assume he is very happy with his new gf debby07:45
ryanubuntu is great; albeit being stuck with older packages [hint: this is where you righteously smack me with info]  such as gaim and dosbox ;)07:45
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TreenaksTsjoklat: yeah, probably :)07:46
TsjoklatI never asked him if she is green too.. or some other fruity colour07:46
redhead381is somebody in here that can help me07:46
redhead381about linux07:46
Treenaksredhead381: uh, likely07:46
erekryan: ubuntu doesn't have xorg working yet?07:46
Tsjoklattis the place to be redhead07:46
vortex25that would seem likely07:46
calcjdub: eh?07:46
ryanerek: naw, i can live without that07:46
Treenakserek: people are working on it07:46
ryanbut its still only got gaim 1.0.007:46
ryanand dosbox 0.6107:46
calcmenu-xdg does the best that can be to support debian's horrid menu07:46
calci'm open to any suggestions for improvement of course ;)07:47
ryandosbox 0.62 has been out since sept 29th :/07:47
Tsjoklathoary looks great so far.. only the trash applet has issues07:47
Tsjoklatit keeps crashing on mine07:47
erekryan: what's holding it back from xorg?07:47
redhead381ok, here's the deal:  i don't know anything, but my friend was trying to install ubuntu onto my computer (which has windows) off of a CD.  so he put the CD into the drive, then rebooted the computer, and the ubuntu thing came up.  when he presses enter to load it, the computer turns itself off then back on and starts the process all over again.  what's wrong?07:47
vortex25does hoary have the bootsplash in yet? I am picky about looks to some extent and love the looks fedora core 2 had for its bootsplash07:47
Tsjoklatcalc: if I needed someone telling me what I can have or not in my menu I might aswell stick to Bill07:47
calcTsjoklat: perhaps you don't get the point, jdub understood what i was talking about ;)07:48
nevynredhead381: bad media?07:48
TsjoklatI do get the point07:48
Tsjoklatbut I am traumatized07:48
calcTsjoklat: everyone that supports menu spec will have a conflicting menu file07:48
redhead381what's that mean?07:48
Tsjoklatand still suffering from post traumatic stress07:48
redhead381is it something that he can fix relatively easily?07:48
ryancan one just change /etc/apt/sources.list to hoary07:48
Tsjoklatso I tend to start to ramble07:48
ryanto get newer packages07:48
redhead381my rommates computer does the same exact thing07:48
calcso either menu spec needs to be modified and having lots of different menus is fine, or a standard one should be defined07:48
britt_radiofreeryan, yes07:48
jdubcalc: given the haphazard nature of the menu structure already, adding menu-xdg items to the gnome/kde structure is going to be seriously scary. (not menu-xdg's fault, it's the items themselves.)07:48
Tsjoklatand not locked07:48
calchaving a unified one that is the same across WMs would be nice07:49
Treenaksredhead381: is the CD burned correctly?07:49
redhead381he even burned a new copy to check that07:49
redhead381and it did the same thing07:49
Tsjoklatbesides the trash applet crashing I haven't noticed anything horribly wrong in hoary yet07:49
Treenaksredhead381: on a lower speed?07:49
vortex25sounds like it doesn't like some specific piece of hardware07:49
calcjdub: wrt menu-xdg all of them are shoved off into a debian submenu like gnome was07:49
redhead381idk about that07:49
ryanbritt_radiofree: do you know if it has gaim 1.0.2 and dosbox 0.62 yet? ;)07:49
jdubcalc: so i don't think we'll be shipping menu-xdg (unless we patch all the menu items). ;-)07:49
vortex25is there a command line on the install cd to disable apic, that might help07:49
jdubcalc: oh right.07:49
redhead381does that affect it?07:49
Treenaksredhead381: try burning at a alower speed, that might help07:49
redhead381disable apic?07:49
calcjdub: it builds out a debian menu that looks the same as any other wm that just uses the debian default layout07:49
britt_radiofreeryan, yes on gaim07:49
hypa7ianoapic noacpi redhead381 :-)07:49
ryanwoo i'm sold07:49
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vortex25yeah what hypa7ia said07:50
TsjoklatI asked in here the second day this channel was up if ubu was going to lock the menu.. they said no and that's why I am on ubu now07:50
britt_radiofreeryan, dosbox: .61-407:50
calci don't like debian's layout enough to try to convert kde over to using it exclusively (gag)07:50
redhead381ok, i know nothing about any of this, but i'll copy and paste it to him, he can fix it.  thanks so much ;)07:50
Tsjoklatjdub is the trash appplet crashing common atm?07:50
hypa7iaglad to help, redhead381, come back if you have further troubles :-)07:51
deFryskmine never crashes07:51
deFryskIut i never use it either07:51
ryanbritt_radiofree: hmmmm07:51
GotD0ti have a floppy drive that is stuck mounted07:51
Tsjoklatas soon as xorg becomes available I am going hoary on all four machines07:52
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ryandebian/unstable doesn't even have dosbox .62 yet07:52
Treenaksredhead381: that might help, but first verify if the CD was burned correctly, please (do you have another, working linux system somewhere?)07:52
Treenakshypa7ia: uh.. noapic acpi=off07:52
ryani wonder whats holding them back :/07:52
vortex25gotDOt: try umount -f07:52
mercurusGotD0t: close all windows and terminals that are accessing or sittnig on the floppy07:52
GotD0ti havent accessed the floppy since yesterday07:52
TsjoklatGotDOt do you use magicdev?07:52
GotD0ti dont know what that is tsjoklat07:52
redhead381i think he installed it using that CD on another computer not too long ago07:52
Tsjoklatdpkg -l magicdev in console07:53
Tsjoklatdoes that tell you if it is installed?07:53
vortex25ok here is a question, what are some other fun linux games other than lbreakout2, chromium (at least those are fun to me)07:53
GotD0tno packages found07:53
hypa7iaredhead381: Treenaks corrected me above, you hould use noapic acpi=off07:53
hypa7iavortex25: tuxracer :-)07:53
Tsjoklatah okay, magicdev has a setting that might lock the floppy07:53
Tsjoklatjust making sure07:53
calcjdub: it looks like: http://cheney.cx/menu-xdg.jpg07:53
deFryskvortex25, get aa07:53
GotD0tits actually not only my floppy07:54
calcwait about 1min file still uploading ;)07:54
Tsjoklatwhat else?07:54
GotD0ti have a usb card reader thats suck mounted07:54
deFryskamericas army07:54
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jdubcalc: 404...07:54
GotD0twhen i try to umount either it tells me the device is busy07:54
redhead381thanks guys07:54
vortex25i'm thinking more old school type games, not so much shooters07:54
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vortex25things like breakout, tetris, scrollers, etc07:54
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calcjdub: should be there now07:55
jdubcalc: ahr. yeah.07:56
TsjoklatTreenaks: I followed your instructions and it works like a charm now, thanks again07:56
GotD0tany clue?07:57
calcdebian should just adopt the fdo standards directly07:57
erekthis community seems pretty nice07:57
calcshouldn't be that hard to fix the menu package for the wms that don't support it07:57
hypa7iaerek: it's pretty chill07:58
hypa7iaerek: no STFU n00B, STFW here :-)07:58
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calcvortex25: just get an emulator and some games from erm somewhere ;)07:59
hypa7iaaran, greets from toronto!07:59
vortex25already done, hmm man uqm, Ur-Quan Masters won't let me install :(] 08:00
arangreets from rainy kingston08:00
hypa7iakingston, boo!08:00
GotD0tthis is so irritating08:00
hypa7iakidding :-)08:01
GotD0ti cant do anything with my floppy08:01
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arandoes anybody know where I should look for help getting a usb memory key to work? the official HOWTO wasn't much help...08:01
vortex25aran: did you plug it in?08:02
hypa7iaaran: it should automount, i got mine working yesterday08:02
vortex25mine just showed up08:02
GotD0tis there a way to kill a zombie?08:02
hypa7iaaran: are you in gnome?08:02
vortex25if I plug it in after gnome has loaded08:02
mercurusaran mine worked out of the box ...08:03
arandefault ubuntu install, and it just worked?08:03
aranis your usb key ext* formatted or vfat?08:03
vortex25if I had it plugged in when I started up it was a no go08:03
vortex25but all I had to do was unplug and replug it back in08:03
aranI'm definitely unlucky then08:03
hypa7iamine was vfat too08:04
aranlast time I got frustrated and just unplugged it, the computer crashed08:04
mercurusaran: does it appear as /dev/sda1 ?08:04
hypa7iathat means it's seeing it...08:04
mercuruswhat does dmesg show when the key is inserte d?08:04
arani was hoping someone would be like "I had the same trouble, all you had to do was *!"08:04
vortex25I guess you could manually mount it with something like mount /dev/sdb (or whatever the device is)08:05
vortex25after you plug it in type dmesg08:05
vortex25I had the problem in a different distro, mine wouldn't automount, but my roommate's would08:05
vortex25I just had to manually mount08:05
aranyeah, I'm going through the dmesg log now...08:05
vortex25i.e. make a folder in /mnt, example, /mnt/key08:05
vortex25then mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/key08:05
TreenaksTsjoklat: uh, what works like a charm now? :)08:05
vortex25seemed to work08:05
hypa7iado you have a different thing to try and hotplug?  a usb mass storage camera, flash adapter, etc?08:05
Tsjoklatthe UTF thingy08:06
TreenaksTsjoklat: ah ok :) cool08:06
aranI've tried the manual mounting... interesting, dmesg is showing SCSI errors and buffer I/O errors08:06
vortex25well night all08:06
aransomething's wrong with the filesystem, apparently... strangely enough, XP had no problem writing to it...08:07
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hypa7iaaran: XP may be more forgiving.  try backing it up, formatting, then using it again?08:08
hypa7iaassuming you can mount it somewhere:-)08:08
GotD0tdoes anybody have any suggestions on umounting my floppy08:09
nevynaran: anything interesting in event viewer?08:09
aranyeah, that'd be the fun part... nothing TOO important on it, I'll have to format it later. Thanks for the help08:09
aranevent viewer...08:09
arandmesg has a ton of these Buffer I/O errors combined with SCSI errors08:10
nevynin xp...08:10
aranoh, in XP08:10
aranunfortunately I don't have easy XP access right now, the files were loaded on a computer at someone else's house08:11
holycowaran maybe xp just wasn't logging the errors?08:11
nevynholycow: how do you know if he didn't look at it? :)08:11
aranI have no idea... I think this guy is just begging to be formatted08:12
holycownevyn, lol /me shuts up now08:12
aranGotD0t: what's wrong with your floppy? I'm sorry I'm distracting all the attention08:12
mercurusaran: google for the error messages, and see if a solution has been proposed ?08:12
arannot a bad idea08:12
mercurusalso, try a rear USB port, and the second of two (if there are multiples)08:14
mercurusIO error could be a dodgy connection from one of the pins08:14
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arannow I get a bunch of usb 1-1: control timeout on ep0in08:15
aran(in dmesg)08:15
mercurusep0in ... which device is that ? never heard of it08:16
mercurushave you used this usb drive in another UNIX machine ?08:16
arannever, only Windows...I think the partition table is broken, this is causing random misc errors, and multiple errors because Linux keeps on retrying to mount it08:16
Treenakssounds like an IRQ problem or something08:17
mercurusaran: hmm ... you'd still expect a device node to show up if the partition table was broken ...08:17
Treenaksor a too-long chain of hubs08:17
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aranI think it'd be fair to say this is likely a hardware problem and not an Ubuntu bug... that's all I needed to find out for the night. Thanks all, I'm going to bed.08:20
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thoreauputicGotD0t: try lsof | grep floppy to see what process is hogging it ?08:24
mercuruswhee !!!08:25
thoreauputicGotD0t: then kill it if you can...08:25
mercurusmy Uni just replaced its Debian mirror with a FULL Ubuntu mirror ...08:25
mercurusincluding Hoary, multiverse, restricted etc08:25
thoreauputicmercurus: replaced, or added?08:25
mercurusthoreauputic: replaced08:25
mercurusthey only have debian stable now08:25
nevynmercurus: replaced?08:26
thoreauputicmercurus: :( what do the Debian users do now?08:26
nevynmercurus: which uni?08:26
nevynthoreauputic: indeed.08:26
mercurusbut that's fine, the State's debian mirror is available free of charge at the same speed on the state nternet exchange08:26
thoreauputicmercurus: ah OK08:26
nevynmercurus: waix?08:26
mercurusnevyn: aye08:26
mercurusaye, you ?08:27
jdubsmelly westerners!08:27
nevynmelb au. I was there for LCA 2k308:27
mercurusnevyn: ah ... I was in Europe at the time :x08:27
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nevynI missed bdales Debian talk and sat outside napier talking to telsa ;)08:28
justdavehmm, my keyboard suddenly works on the Beige now...08:29
justdaveI did an apt-get dist-upgrade via synaptic...  apparently something new showed up today that made it work :)08:29
justdave(I'd last done that two days ago)08:29
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Nafallojustdave: hoary? :-)08:30
justdaveNafallo: yes08:30
mercurusthat decision from uni has made my mind up, debian is gone ... and my laptop will have Ubuntu too08:30
mercuruswith any luck my CDs and my laptop will arrive at the same time :)08:31
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ajmitchpity I didn't put down an an order for cds :)08:34
hypa7iayou still can, ajmitch08:35
Treenaksis it just me, or do fonts look "different" in hoary?08:35
Treenaksmore crisp..08:35
ajmitchTreenaks: depends on fontconfig, probably :)08:35
ajmitchI know it changed recently in sid08:35
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|trey|jdub, no wiki for gnome 2.9.1 developement? would be nice to colaborate over gnome the best way be collaborate over Ubuntu  :)08:37
|trey|Probably the best way to do things like proposing packages...08:38
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=== Ruffian|JANE| is away: Fucking Sleeping! :-p You are all my friends, even though I have no goddamn clue who the fuck you all are! :-)
Tsjoklatgood night Ruffian08:39
Tsjoklatwith the charming away msg08:40
|trey|Ruffian|JANE|, I'm Trey  ;)08:40
Ruffian|JANE|HAHA, Hi08:40
|trey|Night  :)08:40
GammaRay|trey|: I would never have guessed08:40
Tsjoklattrey is cool08:40
|trey|GammaRay, I know right  ;)08:40
TsjoklatI don't know trey but me likes him08:40
hypa7iatime for me to be off too08:41
hypa7ianiters all08:41
Tsjoklatnight hypa08:41
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|trey|Tsjoklat, haha... http://www.facethejury.com/profile.asp?user_name=PiMpN08:41
Tsjoklatthe verdict is in: it's a he :)08:42
|trey|http://www.facethejury.com/images/photos/Pi/Pimpn-2061453.jpg best pic... but its not available to none members less you link to it...08:42
Tsjoklathandsome one too08:42
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|trey|+reasonably smart though  8)08:42
Tsjoklatthat's a plus :P08:43
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|trey|About 10 weeks from my assosiates  8)08:43
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Tsjoklatfrom your what?08:43
|trey|got a 91% in NT Admin, 97% in Linux Admin... I rule  :)08:43
notevenany one around who knows a bit about software raid?08:44
Tsjoklatoh classes you took?08:44
|trey|Tsjoklat, yeah..08:44
thoreauputicmodest too...08:44
nevyn|trey|: I got 95 in "fundamentals of unix" the final took me 9 minutes ;)08:44
Tsjoklatwell if we are bragging... I got 99.9 percentile in English writing/reading08:44
nevyn95% that is.08:44
Tsjoklathighest in America08:44
Tsjoklathow about that08:44
Tsjoklatit doesn't show most of the time but hey08:45
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nevynTsjoklat: that's pretty good.. so you understand the difference between who and whom?08:45
Tsjoklaton good days yes08:45
|trey|nevyn, this was all that + dns + dhcp + samba/ad + nfs etc etc...08:45
Tsjoklatusually that means on thursday08:45
Tsjoklatthe rest of the week I am recovering from hangovers08:45
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notevenwell maybe not but Ill shoot anyway.. will it ever be possible to create and install on a software raid or is this more of a debian prob?08:45
nevynso if I say I'm watching Dr who. is that the grammatically correct doctor or not?08:45
Tsjoklatpitti :)08:45
Tsjoklatnevyn it is friday08:46
pittiMorning Tsjoklat08:46
Tsjoklatyou are one day too late to ask08:46
Tsjoklatmorn pitti08:46
|trey|nevyn, I have a 3.8 GPA, I have only opened one book the entire time... Assosiates is a cake walk...08:46
Tsjoklattry next week08:46
|trey|nevyn, yeah... AAS...08:46
Tsjoklatten weeks before they release trey08:46
thoreauputicnevyn: you left out the capitalisation for a proper noun ;)08:47
nevyn|trey|: ?08:47
|trey|Tsjoklat, + bachelors..08:47
nevynthoreauputic: is that nessicary when it's a pronoun?08:47
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Tsjoklatjoin #ubuntu and one will get grammar for free08:47
|trey|nevyn, I'm not sure what you don't understand  :(08:48
Tsjoklatas soon as I get a pretty picture like yours trey I'll let you know08:48
nevynI have no idea what AAS is.08:48
thoreauputicnevyn: hey, I'm a fully paid up member of Pedants Anonymous  :P08:48
|trey|nevyn, Assosiates of Applied Science...08:48
nevynthoreauputic: :)08:48
Tsjoklattrey is learning something very scary08:48
Tsjoklatand we will all learn the outcome in ten weeks time08:48
|trey|Emphasis is on Network Technology  8-)08:48
nevyn|trey|: that's not even close to what I'm doing ;) Computer systems Engineering.08:49
nevyn|trey|: it's probably simillar material by the sounds of it.08:49
Tsjoklatnevyn that is nothing compared to what I am doing: cleaning the house08:49
nevynCCNA 1-4 it ess1-2 ccnp1 fundamentals of java...08:49
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Tsjoklattry doing dishes when you just painted your nails08:50
Tsjoklatnearly impossible08:50
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nevynTsjoklat: without chipping them or washing it off?08:50
|trey|nevyn, I am basically studying everything you never wanted about network communication  ;)08:50
Tsjoklateither or08:51
nevyn|trey|: likewise.08:51
|trey|nevyn, one day, I plan to have my Masters or Doctorate in Network Security...08:51
Tsjoklatyou'll always have work trey08:51
thoreauputicTsjoklat: more fun to paint the dishes, then clean your nails ;)08:51
Tsjoklathear hear thoreau :)08:51
|trey|But I'm going to have to make a lot of money to afford that  :)08:51
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ryannautilus finally lets you use hotkeys on the desktop?! :D08:52
|trey|ryan, keyboard shortcuts have been around for as long as I can remember...08:52
Tsjoklatbut you are going to make a lot of money too trey :)08:52
ryan|trey|: yes, but they didn't work on the desktop..08:52
|trey|Tsjoklat, thats the idea  ;)08:52
ryanlike F2 to rename and stuff08:52
ryanthey just worked within a window08:53
ryanunfortunately ctrl-l still doesn't work08:53
ryanso you have to open a window to open another window still :/08:53
TsjoklatI'll keep my fingers crossed for you trey08:53
|trey|Tsjoklat, a person that used to come to me for help fairly often walked out with $78,000 a year entry level...08:53
Tsjoklatany of them single?08:54
|trey|I think I can live on that  ;)08:54
Tsjoklatand not all to bonkers?08:54
Pizbithit ctrl+space on the desktop:)08:54
PizbitCrashes nautilus tehehehe08:54
nevyn|trey|: apply to study under AST :)08:54
|trey|Its been funny though, almost every teacher I have had has asked for help about something from me... I tought my Linux teacher around Debian...08:54
nevyn|trey|: that'd be so cool...08:54
|trey|nevyn, AST?08:55
GammaRayon an rpm distro I could install a src.rpm and change a CFLAG in rpmrc. Would someone be so kind as to tell me how to do that w/ ubuntu? I'd like to recompile nautilus w/ debugging support.08:55
nevyn|trey|: my linux teacher won't be taught.08:55
ryanPizbit: i can't get it to..08:55
nevynso we have a horrific slack box for doing perl and cgi.08:55
Tsjoklatmost system administrators are dumber then the janitor in place08:55
ryanPizbit: you running warty or hoary08:55
nevyn|trey|: AST == Andrew Tanenbaum08:55
ryanPizbit: i just updated to hoary, the desktop behaviour is different now08:55
|trey|nevyn, he knew I knew my shit... I showed him a few things... he showed me a few things... we were cool though, so it was ok  :)08:55
|trey|nevyn, ahh, I'm heard his name, whats he famous for?08:56
nevyn|trey|: minix fighting with linus.08:56
nevynhe wrote "modern operating systems"08:56
|trey||trey|, ahh... at MIT?  8)08:56
thoreauputiche wrote minix. he's Dutch, I believe08:57
nevyn|trey|: no. he is proffessor of computer sci in amsterdam.08:57
|trey|Never really got into the programming side though  :(   I plan on it, but I've never had enough time  :(08:57
nevynthoreauputic: he is a american. he ran electoral-vote.com for the american election out of his own pocket.08:57
|trey|nevyn, ahh  :(08:57
thoreauputicnevyn: ah - OK I didn't know that - thought he was a Netherlander :)08:58
nevynhis systems group (as in operating systems research) is one of the top 3 in the world.08:58
Tsjoklatif it ain't Dutch.. it ain't much08:58
Tsjoklatsorry patriotic pride kicking in08:58
thoreauputicTsjoklat: so what colour are your nails now? Orange ? ;-)08:59
|trey|nevyn, That would be kinda cool... seems interesting... don't even know how to go about it, let alone think I could...08:59
Tsjoklatas a matter of fact they are :)08:59
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Tsjoklattrue Dutch colour huh08:59
thoreauputicPatriotic indeed :)08:59
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nevyn|trey|: you'd need a batcholor in some sort of compsci related field before you started.08:59
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nevyn|trey|: admission is by interview.09:00
|trey|nevyn, ahh, so I've got a while still... about 18 months  :)09:00
nevynyou apply if they like you they interview you.09:00
|trey|cenerentola_, hey, need any help?09:00
cenerentola_yes as always09:00
|trey|cenerentola_, 8)09:00
|trey|cenerentola_, ask away  :)09:01
Tsjoklatthoreau is your family Dutch?09:01
Tsjoklatsince you sit in OZ09:01
cenerentola_ok... yesterday night on the other warty ive done an update&&upgrade in synaptic09:01
cenerentola_all seemed to go on in a decent manner when...09:01
|trey|nevyn, you seem to be quite familier with it... for obvious reasons?09:01
cenerentola_whoaaam the shell windows appeared and it started to print error messages with dpkg...09:02
cenerentola_then gnome crashed...09:02
cenerentola_there where no entry in the menus of the top bar...09:02
thoreauputicTsjoklat: no, my parents were/are Australian09:02
|trey|cenerentola_, do you happen to remember what the error says? does it mention apt-get -f install when you run apt?09:02
cenerentola_i rebooted after logging in it gave me some probs with the gconf and then re-crashed09:02
|trey|cenerentola_, ahh, that just sounds bad...09:03
Tsjoklatah just amazing that you would know the Dutch colour09:03
|trey|cenerentola_, you remember any error's?09:03
cenerentola_i cant run aptget anymore cause it says /sbin/getty not found, or sth like it, and id5 too many respawning or sth like that09:03
|trey|Tsjoklat, orange, its on their shirts  :)09:03
thoreauputicTsjoklat: why? Are OZ people supposed to be ignorant of history? :-)09:04
Tsjoklatoh football fan09:04
Tsjoklatlol nooooo09:04
|trey|cenerentola_, does it say for only terminal 2?09:04
|trey|cenerentola_, I've seen that before...09:04
thoreauputicThe House of Orange etc....09:04
Tsjoklatwell at least you are not telling me that Holland is the capital of Denmark09:04
|trey|Tsjoklat, huge football fan... especially of Arsenal... I almost cried when we lost  :(09:05
ajmitchTsjoklat: most people aren't that silly :)09:05
cenerentola_what ?09:05
thoreauputicTsjoklat: heheh - no it's the capital of Pr0n, I thought...09:05
|trey|Tsjoklat, Bergkamp 8)09:05
Tsjoklatyup and Gullit09:05
cenerentola_|trey|: stop talking about craps... and lets face that inter milan is hugely better09:06
|trey|Tsjoklat, Gullit played for Chelsea and coached them and Newcastle... Van Persie is one to watch though  :)09:06
nevyn|trey|: I'd love to do it.. but I've got buckleys of getting in *australian slang for no chance*09:06
thoreauputic!start a football war09:06
cenerentola_|trey|: what about the terminal 2 thing?09:06
|trey|cenerentola_, they used to be... they spent too much on Ronaldo and have been sorry ever since...09:06
|trey|cenerentola_, sometimes, I see terminal two won't respawn, but others are fine... I was wondering if thats the symtom?09:07
cenerentola_so... what should i do on terminal 209:07
|trey|thoreauputic, I miss dpkg the bot  :(09:07
|trey|cenerentola_, nothing, its respawning fine though?09:07
|trey|(ie, its there to type on...)09:07
thoreauputic|trey|: ah yes, a bot would be nice..09:07
cenerentola_well ive got to restart and connect to irc from another computer09:08
|trey|thoreauputic, I said that... dpkg's database is public too... would be nice to customize one, maybe have it sync with the wiki or something  :)09:08
|trey|thoreauputic, plus some fun stuff of course  :)09:08
cenerentola_btw, when i booted on this partition it gave sth like 3,1% non-contiguous how can i fix it09:08
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Tsjoklathow about ice skating?!?09:09
thoreauputic|trey|: some of the factoids are not exactly in the spirit of Ubuntu ;)09:09
|trey|cenerentola_, fsck09:09
ajmitchyou could always argue about rugby09:09
|trey|thoreauputic, you can delete those then, thats fine...  :)09:13
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|trey|ajmitch, rugby football = some annoying kid that wasn't allowed to play decided to steal the ball and got his ass whooped...09:13
|trey|First ever scrummage, which resulted in the first ever Rugby ball  ;)09:13
ajmitchheh :)09:13
|trey|ajmitch, I've been to the Secondary School where it happened... its about 10 mins from where I was born  :)09:13
|trey|I forget the dudes name though  :(09:13
ajmitchI've noticed an abundance of australians in here, they're probably more familiar with rugby :)09:13
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cenerentola|trey|: as you see im back09:13
|trey|ajmitch, England is the current World Champions of Rugby  :)09:13
ajmitchnot for long..09:13
thoreauputicajmitch: ah - we have our own football wars between League, Union, and Australian Rules ;)09:13
|trey|cenerentola, I have join/parts turned off...09:13
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|trey|cenerentola, what did you do, and did it work?09:13
cenerentolai rebooted and then it says: cannot execute /sbin/getty09:13
|trey|thoreauputic, only thing I don't get about Aussie rules... why a round field?  :o09:13
cenerentolaId 3 respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes09:14
ajmitchthoreauputic: yeah, well union is the only one worth playing, right? :)09:14
cenerentola... the same thing for id 5 and 6...09:14
|trey|cenerentola, dpkg-reconfigure getty... see if that helps at all09:14
thoreauputic|trey|: they play on cricket ovals, mostly09:14
cenerentolayep but i cant get in a shell09:14
thoreauputic|trey|: that's the reason I guess, historically09:14
cenerentolait also says "no more processes left in this runlevel"09:14
|trey|thoreauputic, my Grandfather almost went pro for Cricket... Dad for Golf...09:14
|trey|I never liked either sport  :(09:14
thoreauputicajmitch: ex cyclist and marathon runner - wouldn't know :)09:15
|trey|thoreauputic, My Grandfathers second wife ran a lot of Marathons, she can't now though, she doesn't have the energy, too old  :(09:15
|trey|Ran her last at age 62...09:15
ajmitchthoreauputic: don't worry, I've never played rugby ;)09:16
thoreauputic|trey|: that's pretty impressive09:16
|trey|Ran 10 minute miles... not too bad for a 62 yo  :)09:16
cenerentola|trey|: plz...09:16
cenerentolai got to study09:16
thoreauputic|trey|: very good, indeed09:16
|trey|cenerentola, thats how you get my attention, I haven't even been paying attention, sorry  :(09:16
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|trey|cenerentola, you have found a bug though... I have filed it in upstream, but its never been fixed...09:17
daniels|trey|: guys, offtopic09:17
beanswhen is the right time to ask for support09:17
|trey|daniels, questions were still being answered, its a community damnit  ;)09:18
ajmitchdaniels: yessir09:18
|trey|beans, when you're in #ubuntu  ;)09:18
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daniels|trey|: yeah, but I just woke up, and I had to go through like two screens of stuff to see anything Ubuntu-relevant that actually happened09:18
cenerentola|trey|: btw what can i do... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... [crying aloud]  to09:18
duke|ibdoes the default ppc kernel have hfs support?09:18
thoreauputicbeans: just ask :)09:18
fabbionehey daniels09:18
daniels|trey|: if you have offtopic stuff that badly needs discussing, #offtopic is a better place, instead of rendering #ubuntu useless for its stated purpose.09:18
beansok, check it out. i get it all installed, and updated via internet... but then, it gets to the gnome splash and nothing happens. it loops the ubuntu startup drum sound. but goes nowhere.09:18
|trey|cenerentola, not much I'm affraid...09:19
beanswhat gives?09:19
fabbionedaniels: are you still at the hotel?09:19
bob2duke|ib: yes09:19
|trey|daniels, true... how about an #ubuntu-users or something?  :)09:19
duke|ibbob2: thanks :)09:19
fabbione|trey|: this is #ubuntu-uers09:19
fabbioneusers even09:19
cenerentola|trey|: sorry but can i run a shell i a lower run level09:19
duke|ibalways here when i need you \o/09:20
beansnobody knows?09:20
|trey|fabbione, I mean for talking to ubuntu users in general too... like a social channel...09:20
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daniels|trey|: #ubuntu-offtopic09:20
fabbione|trey|: as bob2 said09:20
|trey|cenerentola, none of ctrl+alt+f1-6 work?09:21
fabbionedaniels: take it easy to come here.. i woke up not to long ago :-)09:21
thoreauputicdoes  ppc Ubuntu support Radeon on Macs? ( just looking at some Macs in a ctalogue...)09:21
fabbionedaniels: and already fixed the keyboard stuff09:21
beansdoes anyone know?09:21
danielsfabbione: cool, yeah, haven't even had breakfast yet09:21
danielsfabbione: nice09:21
|trey|cenerentola, ahh... yeah, file a bug on getty SOON, thats bad if a lot of people get it...  :(09:21
danielsthoreauputic: yes09:21
bob2thoreauputic: yes09:21
bob2thoreauputic: it sets up dri, even, if it's supported09:21
fabbionedaniels: putting up X.org on m68k for a build ...09:21
|trey|cenerentola, also, the x screens don't spawn you said?09:21
thoreauputicahh - nice to know - thanks09:21
fabbionedaniels: i need to fsck around for a few minutes ;)09:21
cenerentolactrl-alt-f7 doesnt work09:22
|trey|cenerentola, thats just bad in warty  :(09:22
cenerentolayep but can i replace some files?09:22
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|trey|cenerentola, you have another box handy? anything like sshd running?09:23
cenerentolafabbione: come and see what have you done09:23
beansshould i take a number, and get help after you're done talking to cenerentola?09:23
|trey|cenerentola, from what it sounds, you have no way to do anything on that box right now, correct?09:23
fabbionecenerentola: ????09:23
bob2beans: chill out dude09:23
beansno i'm not flipping out. i'm just trying to be polite09:23
bob2beans: if some one knows, they will help you09:23
cenerentola|trey|: well ive got another warty on the same px09:23
beansdon't want to interrupt.09:23
bob2beans: if not, then we're not going to have all 100 people say "no, I don't know bean"09:23
|trey|beans, ask your question again please... use my nick in reply...09:23
bob2beans: try asking on the list if you don't get an answer here09:24
beanstanks, i'll ask one more time09:24
beans|trey|: ok, check it out. i get it all installed, and updated via internet... but then, it gets to the gnome splash and nothing happens. it loops the ubuntu startup drum sound. but goes nowhere. what gives?09:24
thoreauputicWill MAcs work with a standard ps2 mouse for 3 button use in Linux? Or is a different connection/protocol needed? (slightly OT I know)09:24
bob2thoreauputic: macs don't have ps/209:24
fabbionebeans: is your network up?09:24
bob2thoreauputic: usb works fine09:24
cenerentolafabbione: after an update&&upgrade it says cannot execut /sbin/getty09:24
beansyes sir09:24
fabbionebeans: can you check ifconfig lo ?09:24
thoreauputicbob2: OK thanks again :)09:24
|trey|cenerentola, ahh... so this is just a broken kernel?09:24
beanswhat would that do09:24
fabbionecenerentola: and according to your opinion, why is that my fault?09:25
beansi'd have to restart09:25
beansso i should get it all done in one fell swoop09:25
cenerentola|trey|: kernel or whatever...09:25
fabbionebeans: gnome has problems to start without the localhost interface09:25
|trey|beans, not sure... what kind of video driver you have?09:25
cenerentolaonly that distro doesnt work09:25
beanstrey: fresh install, so i'm using the default nv driver09:25
fabbionecenerentola: also.. are you running hoary?09:25
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cenerentolafabbione: warty for live09:26
|trey|beans, check module, also check X's log, and make sure /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 looks right...09:26
cenerentola.. no its just a warty that collapsed after a smart upgrade09:26
fabbione|trey|: gnome that hangs has nothing to do with X09:26
fabbione|trey|: otherwise gdm wouldn't start at all09:26
beanstrey: how can i do that, when i can't get into gnome? how do i start a terminal09:26
beansi'm a real noob09:26
fabbionecenerentola: there have been no updates to warty other than security.09:27
|trey|fabbione, hmm, my bad... just I thought gdm errors would still be in there...09:27
fabbionebeans: ctrl+alt+f109:27
fabbione|trey|: no.09:27
beansthanks kids09:27
beansi'll check everything out09:27
cenerentolareality says.. that it broke after the smart upgrade09:27
fabbionebeans: once you are there you can login09:27
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fabbionebeans: and check what is happening09:27
=== lonetree can someone help?
|trey|fabbione, I need to start paying more attention to what isn't directed at me  :(09:27
cenerentolaand now says id 1-6 respawning too fast09:27
beansfabbione: thank'ee09:27
cenerentolacannot execute /sbin/getty09:28
beansand trey too09:28
|trey|cenerentola, yes, I've seen that before... try typing "reset", you won't see the text more then likely though, then hit enter...09:28
fabbione|trey|: no problem.. little hint (if you allow me)09:28
bob2lonetree: just ask your question09:28
fabbione|trey|: check yourself on your working machine before giving the hint here ;)09:28
lonetreewhat is the file i need to edit to change grub boot menu09:29
fabbione|trey|: feel free to tell me to go to hell :P09:29
cenerentolamenu.lst in /boot/grub09:29
|trey|fabbione, I usually do if I am not sure... I was pretty sure though, just am wrong   :(09:29
cenerentolawell ppl where should i run reset09:29
fabbione|trey|: ;)09:29
cenerentolaif i cant get into a shell?09:29
fabbionecenerentola: ctrl+alt+delete09:29
cenerentolathere's no x server to shut down09:29
|trey|fabbione, if I told you to "go to hell" you likely would give advice again, and I won't learn... thats no good  ;)09:30
fabbione|trey|: i am used to everything.. even worst that that :)09:30
cenerentolahey... but what could it be09:31
cenerentola"no more processes left in this runlevel"09:31
fabbionecenerentola: it is a known kernel race condition problem09:31
cenerentolamind that ive another warty installed on the same laptop09:31
|trey|cenerentola, you have another Ubuntu, just disregard this one, its gone to shit pretty much  ;)09:31
cenerentolai cant...09:32
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cenerentolaive spent hours to get it up and running.. with all the settings09:32
cenerentolaall the mails...09:32
cenerentolai need them09:32
|trey|cenerentola, well, but getty seems to have put to back behind where you were...09:32
lonetreedoes anyone know what to do if you don't get your laptops touchpad recognized automatically? i also tried connecting a ps/2 one but i doesn't get automatically recognized either. i got to remove it and plug it back in...09:33
=== lonetree can someone help?
cenerentolaok... getty... could we replace it09:33
fabbionecenerentola: if you have 2 warty installs, you can just copy the data from one to another09:33
|trey|lonetree, is it a synaptics touchpad?09:33
cenerentolacan you help in that?09:33
|trey|lonetree, apt-cache search touchpad09:33
lonetreei don't know09:34
lonetreehow do i look at it?09:34
fabbionelonetree: there is an open bug for it... let me check bugzilla.. just a second09:34
|trey|cenerentola, I can't think of a way to, no... you could mount other Ubuntu, and copy over the getty .deb, thats all I can think of...09:34
cenerentolaso i should replace the getty?09:35
fabbionelonetree: check also this bug: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=126809:35
MestaphelesZandile, in the Light of the Ubuntu09:35
thoreauputiccenerentola: do you have a network? I'd back up your data with a live CD, then attempt repairs09:35
cenerentolait also says "cannot execute /sbion/shutdown"... what id like to know is:09:35
fabbionecenerentola: replacing getty will not help anything09:35
cenerentolait cant because there's not shutdown or why then?09:35
lonetreewell the wndoze xp install on it mentions it as an alps pointing device...09:36
fabbionecenerentola: did you use any strange filesystem?09:36
cenerentolaxfs.. or reiserf09:36
|trey|cenerentola, what did typing 'reset' do on the terminal?09:36
fabbionecenerentola: probably the fs is corrupted than09:36
fabbionelonetree: ahh... hmmmm alps..09:36
cenerentola|trey| what therminal?09:36
fabbionelonetree: hold on a sec...09:36
|trey|cenerentola, any that aren't respawning, just type it on one and hit enter... you won't see the text or it might look funky kinda...09:37
thoreauputic|trey|: I don't think he can get a shell - so that wouldn't help09:37
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cenerentolathey're all respawning09:37
cornflakehow do i get the ./configure to detect my X server?09:37
|trey|thoreauputic, it basically tries what init will try manually...09:37
lonetreemy ubuntu is the "Warty Warthog" version... just got it off a magazine. It's COOL... I like it a lot09:37
Pizbitcornflake: Erm, you mean you need the xlibs dev package?09:38
fabbionelonetree: check the X configuration provided here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=239609:38
|trey|thoreauputic, go type that on a terminal, it restarts getty...  :)09:38
thoreauputic|trey|: OK :)09:38
fabbionelonetree: tht will help you setting up the alps device09:38
cornflakePizbit: i'm pretty sure i have that...09:38
cenerentolayep but ive not terminal working09:38
lonetreeif you can help get the touchpad working i'll be grateful...09:38
Pizbitcornflake: Because asking it to detect your x server doesn't sound like what you actually need.09:38
lonetreei'll check it out09:38
fabbionecornflake: it depends what headers the ./configure is searching for09:38
|trey|cenerentola, there is just a blinking line or simular with the error at the bottem right?09:39
cenerentolaso ppl how can i copy the evolution settings and mbox09:39
cenerentolano there's a still line with no more processes left in this runlevel09:39
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|trey|cenerentola, I've seen a terminal not able to respawn before... its an issue with inittab, reset fixes it sometimes...09:39
fabbionecenerentola: mostlikely they are in /home/<username>/09:39
thoreauputiccenerentola: try a live cd to copy your stuff to another box09:39
cornflakefabbione: i see09:39
fabbione|trey|: no it's a race condition in the kernel :(((((09:39
fabbionewe have spend 2 days trying to debugging and isolating it09:40
|trey|fabbione, ahh... didn't know that  :(09:40
cenerentolaso i wont be able to boot it again?09:40
fabbione|trey|: it gave mdz, lamont and me quite a huge headacke :-)09:41
|trey|fabbione, reproduce: log into and out of terminal 2 like 20 times in a row, its always slow, then eventually one fails  :)09:41
fabbione|trey|: yes.. reset is a possibility to get it fixed breaking the loop09:41
fabbione|trey|: correct09:41
fabbionethat happens on all terminal other than console 009:41
|trey|fabbione, I've generally been able to work on the others, just not alt+209:42
fabbione|trey|: it depends.. to me it happens sometimes on 3 and 409:42
|trey|2 is the most reproducable, definatly... would be nice to see it fixed finally  :)09:42
fabbionebut it will never happen on console 0 ;)09:43
fabbione(or alt+f1)09:43
|trey|fabbione, I was just about to ask if you meant alt+f1  :)09:43
|trey|yes, true, doesn't make much sense  :(09:43
fabbione|trey|: ;)09:44
|trey|fabbione, if I had #debian logs, I could see when that was... I brought it up there... bob2 told me to file it in the BTS  8)09:45
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|trey|You could look at what they changed to make it start happening perhaps if you looked at recent changes to then?09:46
steve2Anyone in here use (or interested in) the Personal Software Process? I'm contamplating doing my next Honours presentation on the fusion of the PSP with an open source development model. Input is welcome. :)09:48
cenerentolait all started with a dpkg error09:48
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|trey|cenerentola, which you still haven't told us... you likely recently updated getty though...09:49
|trey|cenerentola, looks like the devs (like fabbione) are busy trying to ensure it gets fixed though, sorry for your inconvenience  :(09:50
cenerentola|trey|: i told you that about 100 times09:51
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|trey|cenerentola, well, until its fixed, there really isn't much that can be done, I've said that a few times too...09:52
Agabushello all09:52
|trey|Agabus, hey, need any help?09:52
Agabuslol hey trey, nah actually i'm just bored actually n been interested in this new Ubuntu distro recently n thought i'd pop in09:53
PizbitAgabus: Whatchyawaitinfor?09:53
|trey|Agabus, #ubuntu-offtopic  :)09:53
Agabuspizbit: wat u mean?09:53
PizbitAgabus: Install it already:)09:53
Agabuslol oh nah i'm waiting for the free cds09:53
|trey|Agabus, no burner?  :(09:54
Agabusyeh i got one, but i figured, i ordered the cds already so i may aswell just use them wen they arrive09:54
Agabusu guys all runnin ubuntu?09:54
|trey|Agabus, I ordered the CD's too, but then I couldn't wait... I was going to try Fedora Core 3, but I just wasted a few hours trying to make it like Ubuntu, so it didn't stay long...09:55
ZindarAgabus: of course09:55
Agabusis FC3 out already?09:55
|trey|Agabus, I used Rawhide... not entirely sure... thats offtopic though...09:56
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Agabuswats rawhide?09:57
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Agabusargh fuk it i'll just download it ay, i'm so anxious :D09:57
Elwoodrawhide? it's a song of the film of blues' borthers09:57
|trey|Agabus, #ubuntu-offtopic09:59
|trey|Agabus, (no really)09:59
|trey|ugh, I swear its a channel  ;)10:00
Agabuslol fine10:00
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|trey|daniels, ;)10:07
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vinichi all! (wow, lotta people here!) I just entered the ubuntu community!10:25
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vinicand you know what?10:25
vinicI'm happy10:25
lonetreedoes anyone know how to make ALPS touchpad on laptop work?10:26
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|trey|lonetree, I told you more then an hour ago "apt-cache search touchpad"... you would have seen tpconfig... touchpad config... try it...10:27
lonetreesorry i lost that..10:28
|trey|This page contains the Linux driver (tpconfig) for the Synaptics Touchpad and ALPS Glidepad/Stickpointer.10:28
lonetreesomeone provided a link and i was checking it out10:28
lonetreebut its covers external wacom tablets...10:28
vinichas anyone installed ubuntu on a DELL laptop?10:29
|trey|ok... you probably need xfree-drivers-synaptics and tpconfig... both from apt-cache search touchpad...10:29
bob2vinic: lots of people10:30
|trey|vinic, such questions aren't useful... tell us your problem, and we will try to help fix it  :)10:31
lonetreerunning apt-cache shows xfree86-driver-synaptics10:31
lonetreewhat files should i get does warthog support rpms?10:31
|trey|bob2, tpconfig not in warty, you know?10:31
|trey|lonetree, yes, use alien though to create .deb's from the .rpm10:32
lonetreewhere do i get that?10:32
|trey|lonetree, installed by default  ;)10:32
mb4gunsinstaller hangs on i386, 166Mhz mmx, 96mb ram10:32
|trey|lonetree, to comply with lsb  :)10:32
vinicok dudes10:33
|trey|mb4guns, where does it hang?10:33
vinicsorry to bother you10:33
|trey|lonetree, Linus Standards Base10:33
vinicI havent any problems yet10:33
Matt|vinic it's ok10:33
Matt|vinic, don't get scared off!10:33
vinicno problem10:33
mb4gunsgimme a sec10:33
lonetreeso i got tpconfig do i need synaptics as well?10:33
vinicjust dowloading ubuntu and wanted to be sure there's no HORIBBLE things with those laptops10:34
|trey|lonetree, probably, I'd install it anyways, won't do you any harm...10:34
Matt|vinic, sure10:34
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lonetreeso i get the 2 rpms turn em into debs with alien and how do i install em(im a n00b)?10:35
Matt|vinic, have a look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops10:35
|trey|sudo dpkg -i *.deb from /where/you/put/them10:36
Matt|vinic, there are a few dells on there10:36
lonetreeok but the site says i can't do it with X so how do i stop X?10:36
mb4guns|trey|, it hangs after scanning the cdrom10:36
bob2vinic: there are some known issues on dell laptpos10:36
|trey|lonetree, /etc/init.d/gdm stop10:37
lonetreeis that a command?10:37
Pizbit|trey|: I can't remember if that stops X or not?10:37
|trey|lonetree, yup10:37
Pizbitlonetree: yes10:37
|trey|Pizbit, it does, try it... then start to start it  :)10:37
Pizbit|trey|: But my gnome-terminal will have gone@!?! *grin*10:37
lonetreeso after X starts i can alt-ctrl-f2 and use that to stop it10:38
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vinicthank you guys! gotta go back to work...10:38
PizbitYou can login to F1-F6 ya know:)10:38
vinicyou'll see me there soon! ;)10:38
|trey|Pizbit, startx -- :1  (I think)10:38
Matt|vinic, nice to meet ya10:38
mb4gunsit hangs after scanning the cdrom10:38
|trey|Pizbit, should give you another instance of gdm on ctrl+alt+f810:39
Pizbit|trey|: Easier to run gdmflexiserver10:39
PizbitOr click through the applications menu :)10:39
lonetreewell i got no mouse...10:40
|trey|Pizbit, not sure what that is... what I said is universal though, doesn't matter what you are using so long as it uses X...10:40
lonetreethanks folks i'll keep on trying... c ya!10:40
|trey|lonetree, I hate when that happens  :(10:40
Pizbit|trey|: Just another gdm login screen10:40
mb4gunsactually after it scanned the cdrom the hdd goes trrrrrr for a while then Klik stops, nothing happends10:41
|trey|lonetree, dpkg-reconfigure debconf > set to low priority... then dpkg-reconfigure tpconfig, more to config though... then reconfigure debconf back to high...10:41
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Adrenaldoes ubuntu have an ntfs driver?10:42
mb4gunsany other recommendation to a server distro ?10:42
|trey|Pizbit, ahh, I wasn't thinking, would stop both instances of gdm afaik...10:42
mb4gunsdebian just plain sux, to many blockers in testing10:43
|trey|Adrenal, there is one around that is read-write... I forget what its called though... likely to be packaged on www.apt-get.org though...10:43
Pizbit|trey|: I can't be bothered finding out.10:43
|trey|Pizbit, haha.. but yeah... /etc/init.d/gdm stop does indeed stop X...10:44
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|trey|Pizbit, simularly to /etc/init.d/sshd stop stopping sshd  ;)10:44
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Pizbit|trey|: Funny that eh? :)10:45
|trey|Pizbit, and /etc/init.d/networking stop stopping network... yup its a pattern  :)10:45
PizbitWe must be on to something!10:45
|trey|beats the heck out of stoping them all every time  :(10:46
Pizbitkillall -9 gdm has more satisfaction though10:46
|trey|Pizbit, will respawn10:46
PizbitDidn't last time.10:46
|trey|hmm, it argues with me  :'(10:47
|trey|I always win though   *nods*10:47
lhbi have a finnisk keymap, which work in X10:49
Matt|how can i add a comment to a wiki? is there a guide to adding to wikis?10:49
|trey|Matt|, you sign up, then you go to the 'edit' link at the top...10:49
lhbwhen i alt-f1, the keymap in the console is still us10:49
Matt||trey|, oh i see it, thanks10:50
lhbloadkeys fi-latin1 change that but how to make it permanent?10:50
|trey|lhb, change locale for console-common, dpkg-reconfigure console-common...10:50
|trey|lhb, which reminds me, I need to do that...10:50
ubllCould someone link me to a good guide for installing Java?10:50
lhb|trey|: cheers10:51
sid77ubll, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats10:51
ubllPhew, looks like a mess of an install. Oh well, welcome to Linux right? :)10:52
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|trey|ubll, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java/view?searchterm=Java10:52
lhb|trey|: do you need to tell the keymap too?10:52
|trey|lhb, yes... to UTF-8 on hoary...10:53
|trey|lhb, ahh... wait... but yes... thats in there too though I believe?10:53
Matt|what happens if two people try and modify a wiki at the same time? does it include both their changes?10:53
|trey|Matt|, it would try to merge the changes, yes...10:54
|trey|Matt|, rarely will people be editing the same text though10:54
Matt|yeah guess so10:54
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Matt|great wiki pages10:54
|trey|Matt|, I enjoy them, some mistakes I have noticed, but you can correct them, so its nice  :)10:55
Matt||trey|, nice that everyone can add their problems10:55
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Matt|hopefully we can increase ubuntu hardware support10:56
lonetree|trey|: it don't work...10:56
lhb|trey|: it says : looking for keymap to install : none10:57
bob2hm, a friend of mine is installing on a toilet seat ibook and the "gnome settings daemon could not start"10:57
|trey|lonetree, same with 'locales'10:57
|trey|bob2, tell it to start again... gnome-settings-daemon  :)  should be in path10:58
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lonetreewhat do i do if tpconfig says no synaptics device found?10:59
|trey|lonetree, install it  ;)10:59
lonetreehow? did i do something wrong?11:00
|trey|lonetree, you installed xfree86-drivers-synaptics?11:00
lonetreeain't that default?11:00
daniels|trey|: installed per default11:00
danielslonetree: then it means you don't have a synaptics touchpad11:01
lonetreei never said i did. it says its alps not synaptics...11:01
|trey|daniels, http://compass.com/synaptics/ states "This page contains the Linux driver (tpconfig) for the Synaptics Touchpad and ALPS Glidepad/Stickpointer."... he said he had am ALPS touchpad...11:02
|trey|daniels, thats pretty much where he is at...11:02
daniels|trey|: oh, ALPS11:03
|trey|daniels, minus the patches I guess apparently...11:03
danielsyeah, we don't have proper ALPS support yet, sorry11:03
danielsthere's a bug open which I think I have about that, should be fixed in Hoary fairly soon11:03
|trey|daniels, that page lists patches though  ;)11:03
lonetreeso there is nonthing that can be done?11:04
lonetreewhat is Hoary?11:04
Matt|lonetree, it is the next version of ubuntu11:04
lonetreewill it be out soon?11:04
|trey|lonetree, you can apply patches and recompile your kernel... if you can't follow http://compass.com/synaptics/ though, then I can't be of help  :(11:04
Matt|lonetree, no11:05
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daniels|trey|: yeah11:05
Matt|lonetree, well it depends on your definition of soon11:05
danielslonetree: not until April, but you can start tracking the development branch earlier if you like11:05
lonetreewhat do you mean if i can't follw compass.com/synaptics11:05
|trey|lonetree, if it seems too complicated etc...11:05
|trey|lonetree, recompiling a kernel isn't really easy enless you know your hardware... but its the only way to get your touchpad working currently... its up to you  :(11:06
lonetreethere's pretty much nothing but the dls on there.11:06
lonetreewell prob is i don't know the hardware exactly.11:06
Matt|we should lodge a bug if the touchpad isn't supported on ubuntu11:06
lonetreeain't there a way to add a module/patch for that and leave everything else untouched11:07
|trey|daniels, ahh, I'm high.. thats 2.2.x... seems like it should have gotten in by now?  :o11:07
|trey|lonetree, module, yes, patch, no11:07
Matt|ah the bug is open?11:08
danielsyeah, I opened it and it might well be assigned to me too11:08
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lonetreei don't know if this reallly helps but i've had this with other distros as well. some work by default others don't11:08
Matt|lonetree, :(11:08
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|trey|daniels, hoping someone else will instead? or don't have a touchpad?11:09
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daniels|trey|: i don't have a touchpad, but it was filed before the warty release, and since then I've sort of been busy quashing RC bugs for warty, working absolutely insanely crazy on X packages, and doing the hoary merge11:09
|trey|well wait, if you found the bug, I take the second part back...11:09
danielssomething about regular 14-hour days packaging X11:10
Matt|daniels, you are doing the xorg packages?11:10
danielsMatt|: fabbione and I are doing them, yes11:10
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lonetreeis it possible that the problem is only caused by a module(s)?11:10
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lonetreeis it possible i could get the module from a working distro and somehow insert it into ubuntu?11:11
Matt|lonetree, you might be able to build the module11:11
|trey|daniels, wow  :)  see you could be fixing, while people like me look for faults... would make life easier for you if debugging is enlightening  :)11:11
Matt|don't get it from another distro tho11:11
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Matt|lonetree, it is fairly difficult11:11
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danielsMatt|: hm?11:11
lonetreei see...11:11
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Matt|lonetree, i'm looking for a guide on the ubuntu website11:12
lonetreewell is usb mouse support ok in ubuntu. i got a logitech usb wireless for notebooks which i can use.11:12
CredAtleast my MS :( Intellimouse works fine (it's USB)11:13
|trey|Matt|, daniels = Daniel Stone of Freedesktop.org... I'd say he's a pretty good candidate for packaging X for Ubuntu  :)11:13
Matt||trey|, did someone interpret what I said as criticism? I gave him a cookie11:13
Matt|i was trying to show appreciation11:13
karevolllonetree: usb = fine11:14
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|trey|Matt|, ahh, no, I was just being sarcastic about having to ask, don't mind me  :)11:14
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Matt|lonetree, there is a brief indication of what you need to install in order to compile a kernel module here: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/compile-kernel-module11:15
|trey|Matt|, if you think its too brief, add more  ;)11:15
Matt||trey|, erm11:16
Matt||trey|, i don't regard myself as competent11:16
Matt|it depends on the module anyway i guess11:16
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|trey|Everyone that has problems not covered on the wiki should add more  :)11:16
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Matt||trey|, i agree, but perhaps in this case it is not appropriate11:16
Matt|lonetree, basically what you do is, install those packages mentioned on that site, download the kernel driver, and compile it according to instructions11:17
lonetreewell the mouse kinda works...11:17
eimWhere can I find an online tool/website for seeing all available Ubuntu packages and versions, like the Debian.org packages interface (http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages)? Thanks.11:17
|trey|Matt|, if you think it needs more info, its appropriate, it needs to be entirely clear to everyone to be useful...11:17
Matt||trey|, what do you think about that page? i'm not sure11:17
bob2eim: all 2000?11:18
Matt|eim, i'm not sure, good question11:18
eimbob2: Well, not all but at least the one I'm looking for.11:18
|trey|Matt|,  "brief indication of what you need" leads me to believe you think it could be clearer?11:18
Matt|bob2, he is right there should be one11:18
eimMatt|: Could be an usefull online tool.11:18
bob2there is one11:18
Matt|bob2, ah. saying "all 2000?" seemed to suggest that there wasn't one. Could you give us the url it would be really useful!11:19
bob2well, there's not11:19
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bob2something like packages.d.o is handy, tho11:20
bob2and if you're running ubuntu, you have the list of packages already11:20
|trey|bob2, I still go there to see whats new, old habbits die hard  :)11:20
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Matt||trey|, no not necessarily. I think that maybe it is the right length for what it tries to achieve. It will not be enough to solve lonetrees problem tho. I guess the extra info needed depends on what you are trying to recompile11:20
bob2|trey|: that's what aptitude -> new packages is for11:20
phillHi, How can I 'mount' a cue/bin image file?11:21
bob2you can't11:21
bob2you can convert it to a useful format with bchunk, tho11:21
|trey|bob2, eh, you always tried to push aptitude, I never liked it though... I did try to use it... synaptics is much better if I am not using apt...11:21
Matt|bob2, i think it would be a good resource for people investigating ubuntu to have a list of packages. I take your point tho11:21
bob2phill: apt-cache show bchunk11:21
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phill files list file for package `evms-ncurses' is missing final newline11:22
phillErrors were encountered while processing:11:22
bob2Matt|: if they're basing their decision on whether a package is in ubuntu, they've already lost11:22
bob2"is $foo in ubuntu?" "yes.11:22
|trey|s/apt/apt-[cache,get] 11:22
Matt|bob2, as it says on that website you posted: "In the future, a website will be provided which lists all of the available software."11:22
phillwhat does that mean?11:22
Matt|bob2, ubuntu has all possible packages?11:22
bob2Matt|: anything thatmatters, yes11:23
|trey|Matt|, far from it, that would just be insane... Debian is the closest thing to every possible package though... Ubuntu doesn't contain the entire Debian archive however...11:23
phillwhat does that error about evms-ncurese mean?11:23
bob2Matt|: http://egads.ertius.org/ubuntu_packages.txt11:24
bob2enjoy it's uselessness11:24
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|trey|phill, evms is obsolete...11:24
Matt|bob2, it is strange to say anything that matters11:24
Matt|The requested URL /ubuntu_packages.txt was not found on this server.11:24
phillso why am i getting an error for it? i can't apt-get anything11:24
bob2Matt|: can you name a useful bit of Free Software that's not in Debian?11:24
Mithrandirbob2: nx.11:24
bob2Matt|: http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/ubuntu_packages.txt, oops11:24
bob2Mithrandir: ITP'd!11:25
|trey|bob2, define "useful"11:25
Matt|bob2, i am no expert, but |trey| has said that not everything that is in debian is in ubuntu11:25
Mithrandirbob2: I know. :)11:25
phillwhen i try and remove evms-ncurses, it give me the same error :(11:25
bob2Matt|: very little is in debian but not ubuntu11:25
|trey|bob2, mostly things from contrib are absent... (in relation to what Matt| said)11:25
phillmaybe i need to get whatever superceded evms-ncurses?11:25
Matt|bob2, perhaps we can add a link to that FAQ to that package listing?11:25
|trey|phill, what is the error?11:26
bob2phill: something ate your file list11:26
bob2phill: no11:26
phill(Reading database ... dpkg: error processing ubuntu-base (--remove):11:26
phill files list file for package `evms-ncurses' is missing final newline11:26
Matt||trey|, scroll up ^6 ;)11:26
phillmy filelist?11:26
bob2Matt|: I'll put it on people.u.o first11:27
Matt|bob2, ok thanks11:27
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phillany idea how i can make it stop eating my 'file list' ?11:27
Matt|phill, i have no idea sorry11:28
bob2phill: add a newline to the end of /var/lib/dpkg/info/evms-ncurses.list11:28
bob2purge and reinstall it11:28
bob2I would guess minor disk corruption11:28
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bob2Matt|: is that list actually useful?11:28
bob2Matt|: given that nayone running ubuntu can derive it with one line of sh?11:28
Matt|bob2, i was looking for one before i installed ubuntu11:28
phillwhat is a new line?11:29
|trey|bob2, please, whenever I am helping someone that you are too, be like |trey|: shut up, thanks  ;)11:29
Matt|phill, carriage return at the end11:29
bob2phill: the enter key11:29
|trey|bob2, or like |trey| I've got it, thanks  *nods*, thats more polite  8)11:29
phillhow do i purge/reinstall?11:30
Matt|can anyone tell me how to allow people to view my directory contents on the www under apache?11:30
|trey|phill, apt-get install --reinstall or dpkg -P11:30
phillnow i get files list file for package `evms-ncurses' contains empty filename11:30
bob2Matt|: that is enabled by default11:31
bob2phill: put that file up online somewhere11:31
phillits ok, i think i had too many returns11:31
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bob2ah, the dpkg maintainer himself11:31
|trey|phill, dpkg --force-all -P evms-ncurses would ensure it goes... not advised though, may break other things...11:32
phillthanks, all good now, thankyou :)11:32
Matt|bob2, it is not enabled by default on my rig11:32
eimAre there anywhere some CD covers to print for self-burned Warty CDs? Thanks.11:32
Keybukbob2: eep, *hides*11:32
bob2Matt|: is there a index.html file in that dir?11:32
Matt|bob2, do you know how to enable it11:32
Matt|bob2, no11:32
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Broomanany cdrecord experts available?11:33
Matt|phill, :)11:33
ubllAnyone tried Yoper?11:33
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bob2ubll: the people in #yoper probably have11:34
bob2Brooman: just ask your question11:34
|trey|Keybuk, you = Scott James Remnant? thank you for my friend dpkg  :)11:34
bob2Matt|: what is in that directory?11:34
phillbchunk looks to be working, thanks heaps bob2, Matt| and |trey| :)11:34
Matt|bob2, i am thinking of a documents directory and also an images directory11:34
Keybuk|trey|: yes, which is why it was particularly amusing when you were arguing with me about whether .debs had headers in them or not the other week <g>11:34
|trey|Keybuk, ahh, yes, sorry about that  *runs away*11:35
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Keybukoh, I wouldn't worry about it.  I'm frequently wrong too, I just make sure anyone who saw is ... elminated11:35
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Broomancdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus produces this..Warning: The related Linux kernel interface code seems to be unmaintained.Warning: There is absolutely NO DMA, operations thus are slow. I am running a 2.6.9 kernel. I get the same thing when issuing the command as root also..i have dma enabled...any ideas on how to fix this?11:35
danielsKeybuk: i saw it11:36
diavolodoes someone use the amarok music player with ubuntu ?11:36
|trey|diavolo, I tried it with Debian, never Ubuntu due to liking Rhythmbox anyways...11:36
Pizbitdiavolo: I do11:37
|trey|Apparently it supports .pls though now, so maybe I will try it again...11:37
bob2Brooman: don't use -scanbus11:37
bob2Brooman: you know where your cd drive is, just use it11:38
j^bob2 you get it than using xcdroast etc11:38
Broomanbob2, why would it be bitching about dma not being enabled?11:38
bob2Brooman: just don't use scanbus at all11:38
diavoloi ve installed all the dependeces using the list on the debian site, and amarok and amarok-streamer using dpkg -i11:38
ryandoes ubuntu do something to exectuting binaries on nfs shares11:38
bob2Brooman: cdrecord warnings are on crack because jeorge schilling hates linux and ide11:38
ryanall my binaries on my nfs share say permission denied now...11:39
diavolonow synaptic doesnt wnat to install/upgrade because of "borken packages"11:39
ryanbut i'm the owner, and the permissions are set correctly11:39
ryanand i mounted it the same way i mounted it before11:39
Pizbitdiavolo: Er, no idea, I did it via cvs11:39
ryanso whats up :p11:39
j^bob2 so someone should patch cdrecord in ubuntu/debian11:39
Pizbitdiavolo: Most of the packages needed for it are in universe anyway11:39
bob2j^: probably11:40
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Treenaksj^: no, someone should finish libburn ;)11:40
diavoloi think it s because my bad knowlege of debain pachage system ...11:40
bob2j^: but then jeorge whinges about that11:40
Broomanbob2, is there any real advantage to burning without scsi emu? might just go back to that.11:40
bob2diavolo: you're using hoary?11:40
diavolo ve installed all but amarok itself from the ubuntu repestori11:40
bob2Brooman: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc foo.iso11:40
j^Treenaks i agree with your, but will that ever happen?11:40
bob2Brooman: ide-scsi in 2.6 is broken-ish, if it works it's by chance11:40
Broomanbob2, ok11:41
Pizbitdiavolo: Did you manually find the .debs instead of enabling universe?11:41
bob2Brooman: also, using ide directly means you can do dma and such11:41
PizbitJust being clear;)11:41
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philldoes this mean my kernel doesn't support loopback for mounting images?? could not find any device /dev/loop#11:41
TelepHello there11:41
diavoloubuntu 4.10, i ve found everything i need in universe, exept amarok itself, so i used the debian package11:42
PizbitAnd it installed?11:42
cardadorphill: add loop to /etc/modules11:43
|trey|Keybuk, you develop debians apt too? Considering making it possible to use librpm and libdpkg able to use a common archive etc, is that even possible? would be a truly "Advanced Package Tool" then  :)11:43
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bob2phill: modprobe loop11:43
PizbitMonth.Year, argh!11:43
bob2Pizbit: 4.1011:43
Keybuk|trey|: no, mdz develops APT11:43
Matt|can anyone help me with apache?11:44
Keybukthere already is an apt-rpm, but it doesn't work very well because the RPM format doesn't have as rich dependency semantic as dpkg11:44
Keybukand actually has a lot fuzzier dependencies, like "I just need this file to be installed" ... which is a hard problem for APT to resolve11:45
phillthanks again :)11:45
|trey|Keybuk, oo  8)  that would be cool though... seems you are making it possible at least from your last planet entry "Where next for dpkg?"?11:45
lhb|trey|: the command that did the trick was dpkg-reconfigure console-data11:45
|trey|lhb, ahh, I was unsure whether it was that or -common... sorry  :(11:46
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lhb|trey|: no worries :)11:46
diavoloand is there a cool way to compile on debian/ubuntu ? (something as cool as slack's checkinstall)11:46
bob2debian has checkinstall11:46
bob2but what do you want that isn't in universe?11:46
|trey|Ubuntu should think about merging Kalyxo into Universe too  8)11:47
bob2is it really that great?11:47
diavolowhen i install it with "dpkf -i" it blocks all the apt stuff11:47
|trey|It has Amarok  :)11:47
bob2|trey|: is it in sid?11:47
|trey|bob2, no11:47
PizbitEh? I thought it was.11:47
bob2|trey|: package it then11:48
diavoloamarok is the only linux music software i ve seen iwht a not so shitty idtags edit11:48
Matt|MAN #apache is the worst channel ever11:48
|trey|bob2, http://www.kalyxo.org/bin/view/Main/WebHome near the bottem...11:48
|trey|There is an apt source...11:48
Matt|diavolo, hey there is a good idtags editor?11:48
bob2Matt|: the default apache confif shows indexes11:49
Matt|bob2, i have understood that. But MINE DOESN'T!11:49
|trey|bob2, atleast Amarok is stable enough to use though.. other things like KDebConf aren't recommended though...11:49
eimWhich file system should I choose for my PPC Ubuntu installation? ext3 or reiserfs. Until now I've always used ext3.11:49
jdubeim: ext311:49
|trey|Not sure if this counts as ot though?  :o11:49
diavolo(oups) rhthmbox doenst seem to be able to edit tags11:49
eimjdub: Thanks.11:50
Matt|diavolo, you could try something like easytag if you wanna save yourself the bother of compiling your package. It is ugly tho11:50
diavoloeasytag shouldnt be called that11:51
diavolo"hardtag" or "painful-tag-editor" fits better ~~11:52
Matt|yeah that's true11:52
|trey|Something more like http://vemod.net/slask/screenshots/kdebconf.png would be great for Synaptic  :)11:53
Matt|strange that there are no good idtag editors11:53
Matt|maybe i should try amarok11:53
diavoloits really good11:53
|trey|Matt|, apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad should install id3tags11:53
bob2is id3 tagging really something you guys spend a lot of time doing?11:54
diavoloalmost half good as muscimath (so almost perfect)11:54
Matt|bob2, yes11:54
bob2why isn't sound-juicer tagging them correctly to begin with?11:54
|trey|bob2, I like to know what song I am listening to in streams, yes....11:54
Matt|i use grip: it tags em fine11:54
Matt|but sometimes you have to retag things11:54
Matt|or tag things you haven't ripped11:54
Matt|so amarok is a player too?11:55
|trey|I don't have many songs on this machine, I reinstall too much usually to get a decent collection, so I just don't...11:55
diavoloi ve have lots of music without tags at all, very painful to manage it with rhythmbox11:56
|trey|Matt|, http://amarok.kde.org/11:56
diavoloand a playlist of 3500 files in xmms isnt very cool -_-11:56
|trey|Matt|, yes, its coming out of kdeextras and into kdemultimedia soon afaik11:57
diavoloyou need a lot of kde stuff to play with it11:57
Matt|oh damn11:57
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phillhas anyone used safesex in windows (http://nullsoft.com) and is there a linux eqivalent?11:58
|trey|bob2, calc doesn't seem to package most of extras...11:58
|trey|phill, no, what is it, I might still know something simular... or at least point you in the right direction...11:59
diavoloif muine or rhythmbox had tag edit support it would be perfect (aaaahhh dreaming ^^)11:59
mirakdiavolo: easy tag11:59
mirakdiavolo: rythmbox crash on my machine11:59
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mirakand skips lot of tracks12:00
|trey|diavolo, Rhythmbox does... mad depends it...12:00
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thoreauputicbob2: trying to help someone in dcc chat - do you know what the gui tool for dialup config is in Ubuntu?12:00
bob2thoreauputic: pppconfig12:00
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diavolodid someone tried Quod Libet (http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=561) ?12:01
|trey|A tool should be added to gnome-system-config for pppconfig and pppoeconf imo12:01
thoreauputicbob2: ah as I thought - OK12:01
Matt|mirak, i think easytag is rubbish12:01
Matt|mirak, it works but is ugly and complicated12:01
bob2|trey|: the return on investment on that sort of thing is very low12:02
bob2compared to the other things people could be doing12:02
nefertatibob2 after pppconfig what should i do?12:03
bob2nefertati: to do what? connect?12:03
|trey|bob2, indeed, but especially DSL, is a popular means to connect to the internet, many ask about it...12:03
Matt|can it not be done through computer --> system --> networking?12:04
|trey|bob2, should add something to the wiki then so people don't keep asking atleast  :)12:04
|trey|Matt|, should be able to be, but I don't think so  :(12:04
Matt|Modem (ppp)12:05
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|trey|Matt|, ahh, yeah, I see it... cool... should start directing there then  ;)12:05
Matt||trey|, i haven't ever tried it12:05
Matt|i doubt it will work for pppoa12:06
helkanaurHow do I mount a disk so that I can read and write to it as any user?12:06
bob2helkanaur: what sort of disk is it?12:06
helkanaurharddisk, fat3212:06
Matt|stick rw, users in /etc/fstab?12:07
|trey|Matt|, PPPOEthernet....12:07
bob2mount -t vfat -o rw,umask=002 /dev/whatever /mnt12:07
|trey|(Point to Point Protocol Over Ethernet)12:07
helkanaurHm oki, thnks bob212:07
|trey|should work as "ethernet"...12:07
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bob2|trey|: no12:08
|trey|bob2, that sucks  :(12:08
bob2not as raw ethernet, anyway12:08
Matt||trey|, it should work as ppp. But I don't think pppoa will work12:08
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|trey|bob2, I haven't had to set up DSL, let alone used Computer > System Configuration > Network to do so  :(12:09
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Matt|i had to set up linux with a usb modem using pppoa recently12:10
Matt|it was a total nightmare12:10
Matt|the modem was a speedtouch12:10
bob2to be fair, anything involving usb modems are nightmares12:10
Matt|bob2, yup12:11
Matt|damn cheapass isp12:11
bob2heh, I bought my own12:11
bob2cleverly thought "I'll get a GOOD dsl modem"12:11
Matt|i eventually bought a router12:11
bob2then all the store had was a d-link piece of crap12:12
danielsbob2: that rhymes with claverly12:12
|trey|bob2, haha, damnit  ;)12:12
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Matt|i have a d-link pcmcia wifi card12:12
Matt|it is quite nice12:12
LodurielMatt|, which router would you buy?12:12
=== |trey| needs more experience with different hardware :(
Matt|Loduriel, well i had to pick carefully because i needed one which was pppoa compatible12:13
bob2daniels: and just like the claverley, I'd have bitched a lot less if I'd GOT SOME FREAKIN' MUFFINS12:13
Matt|Loduriel, i wouldn't really recommend mine12:13
|trey|Matt|, you sure you mean ppoa?12:13
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|trey|idgi  :o12:13
|trey|whats the A?12:13
Matt|it stands for ATM12:13
Matt|god knows12:13
mirakow to burn an iso with gnome toaster ?12:14
Matt|perhaps even he doesn't12:14
|trey|Advanced Transfer Mechanism or something simular I believe...12:14
|trey|asynchronous transfer mode12:15
danielsbob2: except you did get muffins12:15
|trey|I was way off12:15
bob2daniels: but they cost me my soul12:15
cardadormirak: nautilus can burn isos12:15
|trey|Matt|, http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid7_gci213790,00.html12:15
|trey|Matt|, whatis.com rules  :)12:16
bob2I wouldn't trust a website with commas in the url12:16
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|trey|bob2, blah thats what it says...12:16
|trey|bob2, " ATM (asynchronous transfer mode) is a dedicated-connection switching technology that organizes digital data into 53-byte cell units and transmits them over a physical medium using digital signal technology. Individually, a cell is processed asynchronously relative to other related cells and is queued before being multiplexed over the transmission path."12:16
|trey|is the first paragraph... it really is kinda informative  :)12:16
danielsbob2: you sold your soul long ago12:16
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bob2daniels: I made a deal with an archangel12:17
bob2|trey|: I know what atm is12:17
Matt|does anyone use gdesklets?12:17
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bob2|trey|: I was making unwarranted ad hominem attacks on the site based on it's url12:17
|trey|bob2, :(  Its one of my favorate sites... tought me a lot  :(12:18
|trey|bob2, http://whatis.techtarget.com/ doesn't have multiple commas...12:19
bob2it's a .com with "tech" in the name12:19
|trey|bob2, and it has pretty much everything you could ever want to know... yes...12:19
Matt||trey|, he's not dissing the site, just the address12:19
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|trey|Matt|, [04:18]  <bob2> |trey|: I was making unwarranted ad hominem attacks on the site based on it's url  .... still  :/12:22
bob2chill dude12:22
Matt|nah just a joke12:22
bob2it's irc, ignore everything12:22
Matt|what he said ^^12:23
bob2nothing important ever happens on irc12:23
|trey|bob2, knowledge is important to me  ;)12:23
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|trey|eruditus, hey  :)12:23
erudituscan anyone tell me how to prevent the system from starting in X?12:23
bob2eruditus: rm /etc/rc2.d/*gdm12:23
Matt|eruditus, ^^12:24
eruditusI would like to keep X, tho...12:24
bob2that keeps X12:24
|trey|eruditus, what bob2 said, or 'cat NONE > /etc/X11/default-desktop-manager'12:24
Matt|eruditus, that is fine12:24
bob2if you want gdm to run again, run "sudo invoke-rc.d gdm start"12:24
Matt|he's gone12:24
|trey|bob2, why do you not recommend d-d-m? (see what I said above) not a good option?12:25
eimWhat about the Ubuntu installer and internal PCI Winmodems? Are they supported by default? Thanks.12:25
Elwoodeim, i have on12:26
Treenakseim: not likely12:26
bob2|trey|: harder to undo12:26
|trey|eim, www.linmodems.org12:26
bob2eim: not during the install12:26
|trey|bob2, change "NONE" to '/usr/bin/gdm'12:26
eimbob2: Any instructions on how to get it working the `Ubuntu/Debian`-way once installed the base system? Thanks.12:26
Elwoodeim,  which one?12:26
Matt|what is the earliest time during rc2 that I can start gdm do you think?12:26
bob2Matt|: after nwtworking and hal12:27
eimElwood: I don't have this info actually, sorry. The PCI WinModem is on the new PC of my girl friend. I have to check first.12:27
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Elwoodeim,  i have a lucent chipset and i make it work, if u need call me :)12:28
|trey|Hardware Abstraction Layer... needs drivers right  ;)12:28
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|trey|I would say after hotplug too though...12:28
Matt|well hotplug is before network so that should be ok12:28
bob2hal has nothing to do with drivers12:29
|trey|Matt|, X needs drivers and its a server so it needs networking too...12:29
bob2hotplug loads drivers12:29
bob2hal sends data about hardware events to userspace12:29
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eimElwood: I'll do, thanks. In the past I once set up a winmoden on Debian stable. I'm considering anyway to install Ubuntu beside Windows on my girlfriend's PC so I have to work a bit to get the modem running.12:29
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Matt|on boot it starts both rc2.d AND rcS.d?12:29
bob2read the sysv docs, /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz12:30
Elwoodeim,  depends also on the kernel12:30
Matt|so if i wanna remove something I remove it from both?12:30
Matt|bob2, ok12:30
bob2do not touch rcS12:30
Matt|bob2, ok12:30
|trey|bob2, you really should just point me at a _good_ document about that... I have read some things about Project Utopia, but apparently am not peticularly enlightened  :(12:30
eimElwood: Yes. In the past I got running the winmodem on 2.4.x.12:31
Matt|bob2, so i cannot remove services in there?12:31
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|trey|bob2, have read, for instance, Robert Loves original statement on the subject, etc...12:31
bob2Matt|: look at what's in that dir12:32
bob2Matt|: which do you want to disable?12:32
Matt|some of them i do not want12:32
bob2and why?12:32
daniels|trey|: here's the canonical document -- 'make stuff Just Work'12:32
bob2haha canonical12:32
Matt|bob, S45mountnfs.sh S25mdadm-raid maybe also S51ntpdate12:32
|trey|daniels, yes, that is pretty much the drift... but it explains hal and hotplug and ufs etc and how they are supposed to work together...12:33
bob2Matt|: what percentage of your boot time is that?12:33
|trey|udev I mean... bah12:33
Matt|bob2, i do not know12:33
Matt|the more i remove, the cleaner the boot12:33
bob2|trey|: http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/345012:33
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Elwoodeim,  for mine with 2.6 is more simple12:34
|trey|bob2, yes, that is what I have read...12:34
Matt|bob2, so you would not recommend i remove those services?12:34
|trey|bob2, I guess I am just confused?  :(12:34
bob2|trey|: I don't know12:34
eimElwood: What is to do on 2.6?12:34
bob2Matt|: I'd recommend not bothering unless you're sure you know what you're doing12:35
Elwoodeim,  just make and modprobe12:35
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bob2Matt|: but it's easy to fix, so go and play if you like12:35
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Matt|bob2, i'm sure i'm not using raid or nfs/smb12:35
Matt|lol "go and play"12:35
|trey|Matt|, you don't consider fiddling with new things "playing"?  :P12:37
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Matt|if I am not using RAID, is it correct to say I do not need lvm?12:38
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eimElwood: You got the 2.6.x compatible source from linmodems.org?12:39
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Elwoodeim, yes but i repeat, for my winmodem , all depends on chipset12:39
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eimElwood: Sure. Thanks for infos, Elwood.12:39
rbroseI habe zwo Graphicscards, how can help me make dual head?12:39
bob2Matt|: lvm isn't raid12:40
bob2Matt|: but you'd know if you were using lvm12:40
Matt|bob2, ok12:40
Matt|what does it stand for?12:40
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(Matt|/#ubuntu) lol12:41
(bob2/#ubuntu) logical volume manager12:41
(Matt|/#ubuntu) hmm12:41
(Matt|/#ubuntu) is that for more than one disk?12:41
Matt|i wanna make sure i don't need it!12:43
Matt|it is a partition manager?12:44
bob2it's LVM12:44
bob2like bsd disk slices, sort of'12:44
bob2if you were using it, you would know12:44
Matt|ok cool12:44
Matt|does the same apply to EVMS?12:45
bob2you would know if you were using evms12:45
Elwoodsomeone using glade?12:46
Matt|bob2, thanks for your help i appreciate it!12:46
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bob2Elwood: lots of people12:47
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rbrosehow is the password for root in ubuntu?12:51
Hikaru79rbrose, Ubuntu doesn't use rote12:51
Hikaru79Use 'sudo'12:51
Hikaru79with your reguler user password12:52
Hikaru79=) Yup12:52
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RobinSWEhow do i install ubuntu on my harddrive? i can only run it from cd...12:59
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jdubRobinSWE: you need to have the install CD12:59
chibifsEh.. She can use the knoppix-esque disk for an install, can't she?01:00
Tomcat_You might want to add "can't hack root account" to the list of benefits for sudo...01:01
bob2chibifs: you can't install from the livecd01:01
chibifsThat's sillyness. :/01:01
nefertatibob 2 i tryed the pon providername i heard the tone but it dont dials01:01
RobinSWEwhere can i get the install cd then01:01
jdubRobinSWE: same place01:02
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bob2chibifs: they're very different things01:04
bob2chibifs: the live cd contains a compressed filesystgem, the install one has a bazillion .debs01:04
bob2chibifs: you could spin off the installer from the livecd and download the packages off the net01:05
chibifsI'm aware, isn't the live cd based on knoppix, though?01:06
chibifsKnoppix has an install-to-disk module. :P01:06
esotericjust did a straight forward install of ubuntu there.. worked great... now im doing a custom (minimal) server setup.. and want to do RAID1... to set up raid seems u need to partition the drives as Linux RAID format... but i dont see any place to do that in the setup cant specify type01:06
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bob2chibifs: no, it's not based on knoppix01:08
bob2it's morphix01:08
chibifsAh. :P01:08
chibifsAnyone tried patching a bootsplash on the ubuntu stock kernel yet?01:09
bob2hoary will have a better solution01:09
chibifsHey hey, I'm not pushing :P01:09
chibifsThis is currently teh best linux distro existant. :D01:09
chibifsslack simplicity, debian power, and focused on making things work right off the bat. :D01:10
Elwoodi need that the output of a shell command will be redirected to a gtk-box. which box i need to create with glade?01:11
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Mithrandirchibifs: please;01:13
esotericso anyone have experience with setting it up for RAID/mirroring?01:13
chibifsNah. Raid is for getting rid of bugs.01:13
chibifsOff works better, so use off. :o01:14
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Elwoodchibifs utf  801:16
chibifsHmmm.. What are you complaining about, Mith?01:16
bob2chibifs: please don't01:16
bob2chibifs: keep it in ASCII in here01:16
chibifsIt shows fine in xchat :/01:16
chibifsFine fine. >.>01:16
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the_onehi everyone01:16
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Telepnot everyone uses xchat :P01:17
chibifsI'm using gaim.01:17
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chibifsBitchX :/01:17
Treenaksgaim should show it correctly as well01:17
the_onehow can I install the last version of gaim in ubuntu?01:17
esotericim using xchat and it b0rks for me :p01:17
the_oneit's not in synaptic's repositories01:18
chibifsI forgot ncurses doesn't show utf-8 characters very well.01:18
chibifsthe_one - change warty to hoary01:18
chibifsOnly upgrade gaim01:18
chibifsthen switch it back01:18
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the_onebut then...would it be bad if I do a dist-upgrade?01:19
the_oneto hoary?01:19
chibifsI doubt it.01:19
the_oneare you on hoary?01:19
chibifsI'm on warty, with 3 hoary packages that I need.01:19
the_onehoary is like...testing?01:20
the_oneone other question01:20
bob2more like unstable01:20
the_oneI downloaded the .deb for gaim 1.0.201:20
the_onehow can I install it?01:20
chibifssudo dpkg -i filename01:21
the_oneok, I'll try that01:21
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the_onewhat do you recommend, changing to hoary on my ubuntu's repositories, or doing it manually with the downloaded .deb?01:22
raphaWHEEEEW! I got DSL!01:23
raphaAnd if anybody should ever ask again how to configure it under Ubuntu, the command is "pppoeconf".01:23
chibifsWell, the hoary compile depends on some hoary libs01:23
the_oneI got dependency problems when trying to install the last vesrion of gaim01:24
the_one...back to the old version01:24
chibifsAnd the official deb probably depends on some debian versions you don't have.01:24
chibifsSo if you don't wanna compile, you've just gotta deal.01:25
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the_oneshould I try from source?01:25
chibifsUp to you. :o01:26
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nightlybuildHello ubuntu users01:26
the_onebut does ubuntu have everything I need to compile by default?01:26
chibifsYou'll need to download g++01:26
chibifsEverything is in the apt.01:27
the_onewith synaptic...right?01:27
chibifssynaptic is your friend. :P01:27
chibifsWhat's in the new gaim, by the way?01:27
bob2the_one: install build-essential01:27
bob2chibifs: installing g++ by itself is useless01:28
raphachibifs: And then you'll see what else you need.01:28
the_onebtw, I can go along with the old gaim, but more important I'd like to know how to alter the boot order in grub..any sugestions?01:28
chibifsLook in /boot01:29
bob2boot order of what?01:29
chibifsthe menu.lst fine in the grub folder is what you're looking for01:29
the_oneubuntu boots by default01:29
Treenaksthe_one: that's good, right?01:30
the_onetreenaks: not always...01:30
chibifsOooh. ubuntu grub fb splash, do we have one of those yet?01:30
chibifsI saw something on the wiki, but it was greyed. :/01:31
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the_oneI don't know what's wrong with my gaim, it used to go in the tray when I closed the main window, now it closes completelly, I looked in the plugins, the tray plugin is selected, what could be the problem?01:32
chibifsI was going to do a spinning logo kernel splash in a bit. Maybe someone would like that. o . o01:32
chibifsDo you have the tray on your panel? o.o01:32
Pizbittray -> notification-area01:33
Matt|hey i was thinking of something. Is it possible to get icons for the applications that are open in the workspace switcher?01:33
the_oneyeah,,at least I think, if the tray is where there's the clock, volume, etc01:33
Matt|the_one, no you might have to add it01:33
the_onewith add to panel?01:34
chibifsHatt| - Alt-tab? :P01:34
Matt|the_one right click on the panel --> add --> notification area01:34
Matt|chibifs, it would be a nice touch!01:34
Matt|chibifs, you know how to add em?01:34
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PizbitMatt|: Make your gnome-panel bigger;)01:35
the_oneMatt; thanks man01:35
Matt|Pizbit, ty01:35
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Matt|ok: 26 pixels or bigger give you the icons!01:35
Matt|thanks to Pizbit01:35
chibifsOh, I misunderstood you.01:36
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chibifsI thought you wanted easy program switching.01:36
NewComernautilus use large embelems, how can I make them smaller?01:36
PizbitThat's for fullscreen apps, need bigger for smaller windows.01:36
chibifsNewCorner- Resize them. :P01:36
WWNewComer: Edit->Preferences01:37
NewComerWW, can resize icons alltogether, not embelems only01:38
PizbitNewComer: Change the view %01:38
chibifsYou need to make a smaller emblem theme.01:38
PizbitOr svg theme :)01:38
NewComerPizbit, i'm using a scalable one01:39
NewComersvg that is01:39
chibifsHeh. could you tag gnomerc for something like that?01:39
WWNewComer: Ah, then I don't know how to do that. :)01:40
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NewComerlemme try some other icon theme01:41
ryanwhat replaces the mail check applet now01:42
ryanit seems to have disappeared since i upgrade to hoary01:42
Pizbitryan: Why'd you upgrade?01:43
chibifsNothing. It's gone for the time being.01:43
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chibifsHoary is expirimental, silly. :o01:43
the_oneguysm I'm not sure what to edit here in grub to make win boot by default (I talk regularly with my family over IM audio, can't do that in linux)01:43
the_oneI'm afraid I'm gonna break something01:44
ryanPizbit: to get the latest version of packages such as gaim, firefox, etc01:44
stvnthe_one: gnomemeeting allows for IM audio IIRC01:44
thoreauputicryan: maybe right click panel --> add applet01:44
chibifsDo you have windows listed in there?01:44
thoreauputicryan: might still be there01:44
the_oneyeah. I have it listed01:45
the_onebut it's last01:45
the_oneseparated by a divider from the ubuntu entries01:45
chibifsJust move it to the top of the kernels list. :P01:45
the_oneI was thinking of that01:46
the_onewhat can I do with the divider01:46
the_onedelete it?01:46
ryanPizbit: besides, i can't wait to break my box for when they start getting xorg in for the first time :P01:46
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chibifsIf it has a # in front of it, the whole line after it is useless.01:47
the_oneso I can delete all those lines in grub with # in front of them?cleanup time...01:47
chibifsNot recommended.01:47
stvnthe_one: don't01:47
chibifsThey inform you01:47
chibifsAnd if you screw up, you'll be locked out of your system.01:48
thoreauputicthe_one: deleting comments is a bad move :)01:48
the_onehow about adding comments?? :)01:48
chibifsThat's fine, too.01:49
thoreauputicthe_one: yeah, you can do that :)01:49
the_oneubuntu just works...probably something needs "fixing"01:49
the_oneI can start with grub01:49
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thoreauputicthe_one: yeah, breaking grub would be fun - you won't be able to boot at all ;)01:50
chibifsYou can always re-install grub from the disc--01:50
chibifsJust boot 'expert'01:50
the_onenow that's what I'm talking about...;D01:50
Pizbitryan: Yes, imagine how much fun you'll have when you can't even sort out a mail checker applet by yourself;)01:50
chibifsMount your disk, be careful not to format it instead. :P01:50
LowryWhat is ppc linux dv import like?01:51
thoreauputicthe_one: if you *really* want to break something, locate glibc and delete it.... (umm - no wait - don't do that...)01:51
the_oneI got used to half-baked distros... hard to adapt...ubuntu works...something not right..:)01:52
LowryCan/would/could Canopus dv products work?01:52
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chibifsthe_one - Where ya coming from longest run? :o01:54
chibifsI'm a Slackie.01:54
the_onefedora, suse, xandros, tried most of them01:55
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spacey`kii'm from slack too, although i don't think it matters..  :p01:55
Matt|how can i stop certain windows from appearing on the window list? I would like xmms and rhythmbox to just dock to systray and not appear on the windowlist?01:55
wzeligsomebody have installed a php-mysql solution?01:56
the_oneI do have an affinity for debian-based distros01:56
chibifsI hated debian. Ubuntu saved me from that hate. :D01:56
Matt|gnome can't do it?01:56
the_onepure debian is kinda rough around the edges...ubuntu smoothes them out nicely01:56
bob2Matt|: you can use a more sophisticated WM like sawfish, I'd guess01:57
ryanPizbit: trust me, a non-existing mail checker applet is the least of my worries.01:57
bob2wzelig: lots of people have installed it01:57
chibifsdevilspie is global.01:57
wzeligcan you help me?01:57
ryanPizbit: i don't needeth a wet nurse01:57
bob2wzelig: you need to ask a question firsty01:57
wzeligI have install mysql apache and php but01:58
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Matt|ok i will try and install devilspie. I don't know how to make gnome use a different window manager and perhaps it would be a bit heavier to do so01:58
wzeligseems that php don't comunicate with mysql01:58
bob2wzelig: does php in apache work?01:58
chibifswzelig, make sure you have php4-cgi, libapache2-mod-php4, php4-mysql, and mysqld installed01:59
bob2you don't need php4-cgi01:59
wzeligphp4-cgi ....01:59
bob2and mysqld doesn't exist in ubuntu or debian01:59
bob2I think you mean "mysql-server".02:00
wzeligthe other yes but php4-cgi i think not02:00
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wzeligI must verify when  came back home02:00
chibifsOh, I suck at tech support >.<02:01
chibifsMaybe I should stop answering questions. ;.;02:01
Matt|who uses devilspie?02:01
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chibifsMatt| - Not me, I don't use taskbars, I use root taskmenus like in openbox and xfce. :D02:01
Matt|i use taskbars on xfce ;(02:02
chibifsI've just heard about it a LOT while I was working xfce support. :P02:02
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Matt|its annoying that gnome can't do this on its own02:03
chibifsGnome is still a baby. :D02:03
PizbitIsn't changing the wm only a gconf change?02:03
Matt|ok will try that first then02:03
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chibifsWell, the window manager doesn't always help with that. :/02:04
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Matt|Pizbit, any idea where it is?02:04
mina_linux_Tuxhello all may i ask for a small brief about the ubuntu?02:04
PizbitMatt|: Nope:)02:04
Treenaksmina_linux_Tux: don't ask if you can ask, just ask! :)02:04
jdubMatt|: gnome doesn't provide features like this because it's outside the scope of normal use, plus, additional plugins can provide the functionality. no point bulking gnome up with anal retentive stuff your mum wouldn't understand.02:04
Matt|Pizbit, np02:05
Matt|jdub, harsh02:05
chibifsdesktop>gnome>applications>window manager02:05
jdubnot at all02:05
Matt|jdub, you have to admit you can be fairly brusque02:05
mina_linux_Tuxso what after02:06
chibifsHehehe.. Bulking gnome up.02:06
Matt|jdub, my mum would understand it if it did it by default02:06
Matt|it is useful to have xmms docked02:06
jdubMatt|: think about it dude, "please hide windows from the list of windows"02:06
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PizbitMatt|: xmms has a status-bar icon which removed it from the window list ya know02:06
chibifsYou can make gnome more bulky than it already is?02:06
Matt|Pizbit, i did not know that02:06
Matt|Pizbit, the statusbar icon I have does not remove it from the window list02:07
PizbitTry hiding xmms with it:)02:07
jdubMatt|: rather than putting obscure functionality like that into the window manager, it can be provided by other applications that advanced users can use.02:07
Matt|Pizbit, how?02:08
PizbitMatt|: Click on it:P02:08
jdubthis is also why, for instance, good applications do the right thing by default02:08
Matt|jdub, you may be right. I was just struck by the forcefulness of your language!02:08
jdubinstead of having to make users think about "hiding windows from the list of windows", which is an implementation detail02:08
Matt|Pizbit, clicking on it does not hide it from the window list02:08
chibifsIt doesn't? o_O02:09
PizbitMatt|: Then your clicking skills are lacking or you're thinking of something other than the xmms-status-plugin :)02:09
Matt|Pizbit, it is xmms-status-plugin. I even wrote to the developer about this: he said there was no way to do it, except using devilspie02:10
hbbshi, I'm newbie to gnome and I wonder how to add starters to the application menu02:10
PizbitMatt|: Hiding the window with it removes it from the window-selector thingy and alt+tab here02:10
jdubhbbs: what's missing?02:10
Matt|Pizbit, must be a different plugin02:10
Matt|Pizbit, what is the name of yours?02:10
jdubhbbs: in nautilus, type ctrl-l, and enter applications:///02:10
hbbsI installed xmms and I want to add it to multimediagroup02:11
WWhbbs: Select the menu that you want to add to, and right-click.  You02:11
jdubhbbs: you'll be able to create launchers and so on02:11
PizbitMatt|: Exactly that, as packaged in Ubuntu02:11
jdubhbbs: (it's a bit hidden, because it doesn't work very well)02:11
WWhbbs: You'll see several editing options.02:11
hbbsI can do a rightclick on an entry in the menu02:11
hbbsi see four options02:11
jdubhbbs: follow my directions above02:12
WWhbbs: Entire menu02:12
jdubit's easier02:12
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Matt|Pizbit, PM?02:12
WWhbbs: Also, there is an explanation in the wiki FAQ.  Scroll down to "Configuring your desktop" (or something like that).02:12
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Matt|Pizbit, i don't wanna bore the channel!02:13
hbbsWW, i will have a look at it.02:13
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jdubhbbs: dude02:13
jdubhbbs: open a nautilus window02:13
jdubhbbs: type ctrl-l02:13
jdubhbbs: type applications:/// into the box02:14
WWhbbs: But jdub is right, using Nautilus is pretty easy.02:14
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BroomanCould someone tell me the version of udev that Ubuntu uses?02:15
jdubBrooman: type: dpkg -l udev02:16
hbbssuccess ...02:16
hbbsit' a little bit hidden, as you told me02:16
hbbsalso the german translations do not improve the whole thing.02:17
WWhbbs: "a little bit hidden..."  What is?02:17
Broomanjdub, I dont use ubuntu..i use gentoo..im trying to install gnome 2.8 and from the last time i remember the version of udev in portage did not work..i know it works in ubuntu. so if you would not mind just telling me, i'd appreciate it.02:17
jdubsounds more like a question for #gentoo than #ubuntu02:18
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the_onebye bye people02:20
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WWhbbs: If you mean the FAQ on the wiki, I agree.  There have been a lot of changes to the wiki recently, and the FAQ seems to have gotten buried deep.02:20
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hbbsWW, no, i meant the way like jdub described it (right click and so on ...)02:21
WWhbbs: Oh. That, too.  :)02:21
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WWhbbs: Computer->Home is what I usually do.02:21
Broomanjdub, you are right, but noone who is awake knew the answer to it.02:22
hbbsit's called computer -> persnlicher Ordner in german02:22
hbbsthis is crazy, everyone would understand home in germany02:22
chibifs? :o02:23
hbbsjdub, thanks for the applications:/// hint02:24
hbbsthis gives me more control  :-)02:24
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hbbsnatea_, check your routers ip-aging values :-)02:25
mina_linux_Tuxis this link (http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso)able to make a Live CD (One that runs Ubuntu from CD)02:26
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bob2that's the install cd02:27
bob2you want the one with "live" in the filename02:27
mina_linux_Tuxso where is the Live one ?02:27
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mina_linux_Tuxok thanks02:28
mina_linux_Tuxdoes ubunto has support to different Modem and PCMCIA WIRELESS Network Adapter called SMC ?02:29
Treenaksmina_linux_Tux: uh.. what kind of SMC?02:30
bob2you'd need to find out what chipset it has02:30
Treenaksmina_linux_Tux: I have 2 supported wireless cards from SMC that work02:30
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|trey|Treenaks, funny how things that are support tend to share that quality  ;)02:34
mina_linux_TuxTreenaks: My SMC Wireless PCMCIA Card is SMC2635W is it supported02:34
FluFlobut it has ADM8211 chip from ADMTek02:35
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the_onehi again02:35
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mina_linux_TuxFLuFlo: yes i think it has Chipset ADM8211 so ... is it supported ?02:36
Treenaksmina_linux_Tux: is it 2635W, 2635W-V2 or SMC2635W-V3 ?02:36
the_onecan someone tell me how to make my ntfs partitions visible in ubuntu? Even if in read-only02:36
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mina_linux_Tuxi think 2635W02:37
|trey|the_one, mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt should do it.02:37
the_oneand when I reboot will it still be mounted?02:37
FluFlomina_linux_Tux, i think so. However the module is not included on the default kernel and you should compile the module yourself02:38
bob2the_one: nope02:38
bob2the_one: if you want that, edit /etc/fstab02:38
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FluFlomina_linux_Tux, here is the driver http://aluminum.sourmilk.net/adm8211/02:38
the_oneis it "easy" to edit fstab?02:38
FluFloit's GPL02:39
|trey|the_one, no... you would need to add '/dev/hda1        /mnt  auto    user,auto  0       0' to /etc/fstab to do that02:39
jordiFluFlo: fstab is gpl? :)02:39
|trey|jordi, I think he means the driver  ;)02:39
FluFlothe driver. i mean02:39
jordiI was kidding, sorry ;)02:39
mina_linux_TuxFluFlo: where or how to compile this module , i already searched for the admtek8211 for linux not found02:39
|trey|jordi, way too early here to kid  ;)02:39
FluFlomina_linux_Tux, did you tryed the link?02:40
bob2the_one: /dev/whatever /mnt/wherever ntfs ro,umask=022 0 002:40
|trey|bob2, you really like that umask option  ;)  why no auto though?02:40
bob2|trey|: auto is implied02:41
the_onenow I'm confused.02:41
mina_linux_TuxFLuFlo: i'll try it now02:41
|trey|the_one, do what bob2 told you02:41
hbbsi would like some icons on nautilus (change to the .. directory, delete and so on)02:41
bob2the_one: add that line to end of /etc/fstab02:41
mina_linux_TuxFluFlo: install the last release  ?02:42
FluFlothe latest02:42
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the_oneplease have patience with me...I am editing fstab, at file system I added /dev/hda1, what do I put at mount point, type, option, dump, pass?02:42
|trey|FluFlo, latest release*  not latest software for instance...02:42
mina_linux_TuxFluFlo: then untar it and compile ?02:42
bob2the_one: read what I wrote02:43
the_oneI read it02:43
bob2the_one: change the first two entries, copy the rest of what I wrote02:43
the_oneso I just do copy/paste with what you wrote?02:43
|trey|the_one, bob2's order is correct... if it makes you happy, you can change spacing in the file...02:43
|trey|the_one, that would work yes02:44
|trey|the_one, (copy/paste would)02:44
FluFlomina_linux_Tux, yes, seems that a "make" and "make install" as root will do the trick02:44
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bob2the_one: yes, change /mnt/whatever and /dev/whatever02:44
|trey|the_one, /dev/whatever will likely be /dev/hda1 (if you installed windows first, it is), /mnt/whatever doesn't really matter though as long as its empty and exists...02:45
the_onebut there are like "columns" in my fstab for file system, mount point, bla bla, what you wrote doesn't fit02:45
bob2the_one: yes it does02:45
bob2the_one: it doesn't matter if there's one space between them or 20 00002:46
thoreauputicthe_one: the spacing doesn't have to be identical02:46
the_oneI put /dev/C02:46
|trey|the_one, no... /dev/hda102:46
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mina_linux_TuxFluFlo: then what after compiling this module02:47
the_oneyeah...my brain in formated in FAT02:47
|trey|the_one, hd = harddrive... a referes to first disk, 1 referes to first partition02:47
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the_onethis is the line, what do I have to change still? /dev/hda1/mnt/wherever   ntfs ro,umask=022 0 002:48
|trey|the_one, so /dev/hdd5 would be 5th partition of fourth drive for instance02:48
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|trey|the_one, no... that part doesn't really matter...02:49
bob2the_one: you can call it whatever you like02:49
FluFlomina_linux_Tux, try "modprobe adm8211"02:49
bob2the_one: just make sure the directory exists02:49
|trey|the_one, anywhere really, so long as its empty and exists...02:49
Matt|Pizbit, what skin are you using on xmms?02:49
bob2the_one: for simplcity, you can make it just /mnt02:49
PizbitMatt|: Default02:49
mina_linux_TuxFluFlo: what does modprobe do (checks for problems )02:49
the_onedo I have to reboot to test?02:49
Matt|Pizbit, none?02:50
PizbitMatt|: The xchat-systray seems to respond well to right clicks but horrid to left clicks.02:50
Pizbityeah, none02:50
FluFlomina_linux_Tux, loads the module on memory02:50
bob2the_one: when you "mount" a filesystem in unix, you make the contents of that disk/partition appear in an existing directory02:50
Matt|Pizbit, double left click02:50
|trey|the_one, yes... although you can trust and just mount now  :)02:50
bob2the_one: no, "sudo mount /mnt"02:50
bob2|trey|: no you don't02:50
PizbitMatt|: Gah, evil:)02:50
Matt|Pizbit, with no skin on xmms, the xmms plugin doesn't even load02:50
FluFlomina_linux_Tux, afther that, check output of "dmesg" (the last lines)02:50
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|trey|bob2, to test whether it loads @ boot, he would indeed need to reboot  ;)02:50
PizbitMaybe ~/.xmms is fried02:50
Matt|yeah mebbe02:50
bob2|trey|: vim /etc/init.d/mountall.sh02:50
|trey|bob2, ahh  :o02:51
|trey|I learned something though, thats cool  :)02:51
the_onebob2: I tried sudo mount /mnt I get mount: can't find /mnt in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab02:53
bob2the_one: what did you replace "/mnt/whatever" in my example with?02:53
bob2the_one: erm02:53
thoreauputicoh dear02:54
|trey|the_one, this is unix... "C" is just not right...02:54
bob2the_one: "sudo mkdir /mnt/C:SYSTEM"02:54
Matt|Pizbit, have you got xmms-themes installed at all?02:54
PizbitMatt|: Nope02:54
bob2the_one: you can call it that if you like, it's just a bit un-unixy02:54
the_oneit takes time to change after years of windows02:54
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bob2the_one: it's fine02:54
the_oneI prefer one step at a time02:54
bob2that's cool02:55
the_onenot the whole jump02:55
thoreauputicbob2: a bit? You are a master of understatement ! :)02:55
Pizbitthe_one: You jump up, and worry about the comming down again for another day eh?:)02:55
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|trey|the_one, its really not that hard to understand... everything is just moved up, so you don't need to specify drive... cdrom etc are just mounted to the filesystem where ever you want them...02:56
the_oneI just hate when people don't take time to learn and want to do everything in one move, then they say that linux is hard and it sucks, I hate that02:56
|trey|the_one, plus what I said earlier = all you need to know about unix fs's  :)02:56
housetierdon't spread the hate02:57
housetierspread the love02:57
bob2understanding mounting is a pretty big step02:57
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the_oneI really am trying to prepare for a complete move to linux by the time shorthorn ships02:57
|trey|housetier, how hippiesh of you   ;)02:57
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mina_linux_TuxFluFlo: tried make and an error : the present Kernel configuration has modules disabled02:57
FluFlomina_linux_Tux, that is really strange02:58
thoreauputicthe_one: well, the nice thing is in Linux you can call that directory whatever you please :)02:58
eclipseanyone knows where can i get driver for my nvidia card?02:58
mina_linux_TuxFluFlo: So ?02:58
Pizbitthoreauputic: Let's see you rename / to something eh?:)02:58
FluFlomina_linux_Tux, what is the oputput of "uname -a" in your system?02:58
bob2eclipse: you mean the binary-only ones?  wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto02:58
eclipsethnx bob202:58
the_oneit worked!02:59
the_onefirst with mkdir02:59
bob2the_one: cool!02:59
PizbitNow to hit the sack, night!02:59
the_onethen mount02:59
thoreauputicPizbit: no I said "that" directory ( ie /mnt/somethingwindowsish) :)02:59
spivbob2: You mean http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto ;)02:59
Pizbitthoreauputic: I know;) Was pulling your leg02:59
the_onethanks to you!02:59
thoreauputicPizbit: :)02:59
mina_linux_TuxFluFlo: Linux 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl $date i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux03:00
the_oneI have an external hard disk via USB03:00
the_onehow should I mount that?03:00
bob2the_one: it should be mounted when you plug it in03:01
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thoreauputicPizbit: heh - I heard one guy say he wanted to remount everything except /home to /system because the unix file system was "ugly" :)03:01
bob2there's some distro that renames everything03:01
thoreauputicPizbit: and he wasn't kidding ! :)03:01
bob2probably more than one03:01
the_oneit's in ntfs too03:01
bob2the_one: you can only read from ntfs, unfortunately03:02
bob2and there may be a bug where it won't be automounted03:02
FluFlomina_linux_Tux, I don't know if that kernel has module loading enabled. Should have it. But if for any reason has been desabled, there is nothing to do03:02
the_oneI know that03:02
|trey|the_one, you can symlink it... would have worked... seems pointless though  :/03:02
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|trey|thoreauputic, ^^03:02
the_onebut I don't see it in computer:///03:02
thoreauputicbob2: I think linspire and xandros do something like that (renaming)03:02
bob2|trey|: symlink what?03:02
the_onenor do I see the fresly mounted C:03:02
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bob2the_one: ctrl-l /mnt <enter>03:03
mina_linux_TuxFluFlo: nothing to do to enable Kernel module loading03:03
FluFlomina_linux_Tux, oh wait. I know whats heppening03:03
|trey|bob2, kidding kinda... ln -l / /system03:03
the_onebob2: what does that do?03:03
FluFlomina_linux_Tux, that module is for 2.6.x kernel series03:03
bob2|trey|: ah03:03
FluFlomina_linux_Tux, you have a 2.403:03
bob2the_one: go to where you mounted it03:03
bob2well, near it03:04
FluFlomina_linux_Tux, you should install  a new kernek 2.6, recompile and then modprobe it03:04
mina_linux_Tuxor install another ADM8211 release previus ?03:05
the_onewhere is computer:/// located in my / ?03:05
bob2the_one: I'm not sure what it's supposed to reprazent03:05
|trey|the_one, its a vfolder, really no where, it points at a few things though...03:05
the_onehow can I make it point to the ntfs partitions too?03:06
FluFlomina_linux_Tux, maybe. But I have not found a driver for 2.4..sorry03:06
|trey|the_one, if its mounted, it should just show up there...03:06
the_oneit is mounted I can see it in mnt/ but not in computer:///03:06
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|trey|the_one, note, it will be in "Filesystem" though, wherever you put it...03:07
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|trey|the_one, as far as the system is concerned, its just part of / now... perhaps external fs's should go in there though03:07
Matt|are the gnome guys working on burning audio cds from nautilus?03:07
the_oneso I have to go to mnt/ each time I need to access my ntfs partition03:08
|trey|Matt|, no, from Rhythmbox...03:08
|trey|the_one, yes03:08
bob2Matt|: and from coaster03:08
Matt|oh from rhythmbox03:08
|trey|bob2, coaster likely to get into 2.10?03:09
nefertatibob2 icant connet to internet :(03:09
bob2|trey|: don't know03:09
bob2nefertati: ok...03:09
bob2you need to give me a lot more context, I don't remember what your problem was 10 hours ago03:09
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mina_linux_TuxFluFlo: kernel 2.4 doesn't support module loading ?03:10
thoreauputicnefertati: do you want me to explain, or would you rather tell bob2 yourself?03:11
the_oneguys, I have a second ntfs partition, in fstab I added a line with the same as earlier, but dev/hda2 and mnt?D:STORAGE. AFter mkdir mnt?D:STORAGE I tried mount mnt/D:STORAGE and it gave me the following: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2,03:11
the_one       or too many mounted file systems03:11
the_one       (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,03:11
the_one       instead of some logical partition inside?)03:11
bob2the_one: you need to be more exact03:12
bob2the_one: it looks like you made a bunch of typoes in there03:12
the_oneI did03:12
thoreauputicbob2: I've been helping and nefertati has got as far as connecting - but there seems to be an authentication problem with her ISP03:12
the_onebut not in the concole03:12
thoreauputicbob2: she asked me to explain03:12
the_onesorry, trying to type quickly03:12
bob2the_one: ok03:13
bob2thoreauputic: ok03:13
FluFlomina_linux_Tux, yes. but that option must be enabled during kernel compilation.03:13
Encrypted_the_one.. if u type "mount -t ntfs -o ro /dev/hda2 /mnt/D:STORAGE" does it work ?03:13
thoreauputicbob2: apparently her ISP is not using pap or chap03:13
the_oneif it is in a logical drive, the second partition, is it hda2 or hda3?03:13
bob2hda5, iirc03:13
Encrypted_startsx at 503:13
Encrypted_ /dev/hda5 = first logical partition03:14
the_onehda5? ok03:14
thoreauputicbob2: btw acording to netcraft, her ISP is running win 2k (I was wondering if they use some non-standard auth method)03:14
the_oneso what could be the external HDD?03:14
Encrypted_usb external ?03:15
bob2the_one: "sudo tail -f /var/log/messages", then plug it in03:15
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bob2the lines that get printed should show you03:15
Encrypted_the_one, that would be listed as a scsi drive03:15
the_oneSCSI device sda03:17
the_one/dev/scsi/host4/bus0/target0/lun0: p103:17
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Encrypted_the_one: shows one partition, so mount /dev/scsi/host4/bus0/target0/lun0/part103:18
the_onein /mnt?03:18
the_onedo I need to edit fstb for it?03:18
Encrypted_the_one: mkdir /mnt/usb; mount /dev/scsi/host4/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /mnt/usb03:19
Encrypted_the_one: unfortunately devfs doesnt remove the scsi directories correctly so the device is going to move around03:19
thoreauputicbob2: if it helps (re nefertati) she says she's getting some kind of "chat" response from her ISP, but she called them and they are clueless about what protocols they are using for authentication.03:19
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bob2Encrypted_: ubuntu doesn't use devfs03:20
Encrypted_the_one: if u remove the scsi drive and reinsert it, it will become host5, then host6, and so on03:20
britt_hey lemme ask a Question03:20
the_oneencrypted: thanks, will try now03:20
bob2Encrypted_: I'm pretty sure udev doesn't have that issue03:20
britt_I have a laptop with the mew Ubuntu03:20
Encrypted_udev sorts that out yes03:20
bob2thoreauputic: does chat auth work?03:20
britt_I was wondering if there was a way to Force 10BaseT through a console command03:21
britt_after boot03:21
britt_and just temporary03:21
thoreauputicbob2: unfortunately I don't know how to walk her through that as I've not used it03:21
bob2britt_: mii-tool, if your card supports it03:21
nefertatisometimes it works it dials but then it stops. chat auth askes me to write a login promt03:22
bob2does pppoeconf give you a "chat" auth option?03:22
bob2pppconfig does03:22
britt_operation not supported03:22
britt_so i'm screwed?03:22
bob2are you?03:23
bob2it just means you can't force it03:23
bob2it shouldn't ever matter unless you have broken hardware on the other end03:23
britt_well its unusabel right now03:23
nefertatii types pppconfig bob203:23
britt_my ethernet card doesnt like the switches her03:23
thoreauputicbob2: yes she tried all the options and chat is the only one that appears to work at all03:23
the_oneencrypted, when mounting I get: mount: special device /dev/scsi/host4/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 does not exist03:24
britt_well i think it worked03:24
bob2the_one: mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/sda1 /mnt/D:WHATEVER03:24
nefertatiand not always03:24
Encrypted_the_one: ls /dev/scsi/host4/bus0/target0/lun0/03:24
bob2nefertati: it does sometimes work?03:24
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bob2Encrypted_: you know ubuntu doesn't use devfs, right?03:25
nefertatiyes bob 2 sometimes. other times i hear the tone and then stops03:25
thoreauputicbob2: she gets dial tone, dial, but can't log on apparently03:25
the_onebob2: it worked03:26
Encrypted_well.. im gathering he got the path from dmesg, or his syslog, so what the kernel says goes03:26
the_onehow can I make it mount back at boot time?03:26
Encrypted_very nice.. since devfs is like the plague03:26
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the_oneor will it stay mounted?03:27
Encrypted_have to put it in fstab to mount on boot03:27
KeybukEncrypted_: played by Fisher Stevens and prone to riding skateboards?03:28
the_oneso I add dev/sda03:28
Encrypted_if the device isnt always there use the noauto option and manually mount when u insert it03:28
the_onewhere do I put noauto?03:28
Encrypted_never seen fisher stevens and never touched a skateboard03:29
bob2thoreauputic: nefertati I don't have any ideas at the moment, sorry03:29
bob2thoreauputic: nefertati try asking on the list, I'll have a look in the morning when I can concentrate03:29
Encrypted_4th field in fstab03:29
britt_so guys is this the only way to force speeds03:29
bob2britt_: aside from fixing your hardware03:30
Encrypted_lol, nm key, i get it now03:30
britt_what about USB03:30
Encrypted_half asleep at 16:30!03:30
thoreauputicbob2: OK thanks anyway :)03:31
britt_how hard is it to configure a USB ethernet card03:31
the_oneone more question, I promise03:31
bob2britt_: it should Just Work when you plug it in03:31
Encrypted_and ive still seen that movie about 20 times for some strange reason03:31
bob2assuming there's a driver03:31
the_onehow do I make a "shortcut" to mnt on my desktop?03:31
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britt_lemme try03:31
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the_onethank you bob2, encrypted for the help03:33
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bob2you're welcome03:33
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the_onegoing to reboot to see if everything in fstab is working03:33
the_onesee you03:33
Treenaksthe_one: you can try03:34
Treenaksthe_one: mount -a03:34
britt_thank you bob203:34
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the_onewhat does -a stand for? "all"?03:34
lupus_can't someone make a package for gstreamer with xvid support :p03:34
Treenaksthe_one: yes03:34
Treenaksthe_one: look at the man page03:34
mercurusa stands for automatic03:34
bob2lupus_: because no one wants to go to a US prison for the rest of their lives03:34
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mercurusso it'll mount all the "auto" filesystems03:35
lupus_a european :)03:35
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lupus_not someone from the US ..03:35
Treenakswasnt' Xvid "Free"?03:35
bob2mpeg-4 is patent-encumbered03:35
Treenaksstupid legal systems03:36
jamaasHi all, I'm trying to get a linmodem working, am looking at dmesg, can more than one device have the same irq?  Both my modem and my wireless card seem to be set at irq 10 ?03:36
lupus_or write a little guide how you can create sutch a package :)03:36
Treenaksbob2: so basically, it's best to convince the l33t k1dd13s to release stuff in theora/vorbis?03:36
bob2if you're not worried about copyright infringement charges for getting said warez, why would you worry about using an infringing codec?03:38
haggaijamaas: that's fine for eg PCI03:38
Treenaksbob2: well, because it falls under "home copying" for me (.nl), so if I only download it and don't share it afterwards, it's legal03:39
bob2your country may or may not recognise the patents then03:40
jamaashaggai: thanks for that,  going back to the dos days, didn't look right!  next question is that I seem to have a two sets of conflicting modules loaded, one that begins snd_*  and the ones I want to try beginning hsf*, is there a way to do this without destroying everything?  Thanks BTW :)03:40
Treenaksbob2: not sure about that03:40
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mirakBrittBS: as usb ethernet card .03:40
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mirak__ /msg NickOP register AbC123 user@domain.com03:43
mirak__ /msg NickOP register AbC123 user@domain.com03:43
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eimAm I right if I say that deborphan won't consider ubuntu packages but only native packages? Thanks for correcting me if false.03:44
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kensaiIs there any howto install kde in ubunut?03:45
kensaiI can't through apt03:46
bur[n] eradd universe /etc/apt/sources.list03:46
bur[n] erthen apt-get install kde03:46
kensaiI have universe03:46
bur[n] erdone03:46
bur[n] erdid you update?03:46
bur[n] er'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kde'03:46
kensaiThe following packages have unmet dependencies:03:47
kensai  kde: Depends: kde-amusements but it is not going to be installed03:47
kensai       Depends: kdeaddons but it is not going to be installed03:47
kensai       Depends: kdepim but it is not going to be installed03:47
kensai       Depends: kdeutils but it is not going to be installed03:47
kensaiE: Broken packages03:47
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kensaiadn yes I updated thats the error I always get ^03:47
bur[n] erjust do 'apt-get install konqueror' ;)03:48
bur[n] erscrew the addons for now03:48
bur[n] eror add debian sources03:48
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kensaiapt-get install konqueror works but does I have a working kde after that?03:49
Matt|it should install kde with it i guess03:49
Matt|apt-get install kde should work though :(03:50
kensaiDoes it matters that I am on Hoary and not in warty?03:50
Matt|yes maybe03:50
Matt|report it to someone?03:50
britt_kde installs fine03:51
britt_tried it yesterday03:51
Matt|have you done the dist-update, update, upgrade?03:51
britt_apt-get install kde03:51
bur[n] erkensai: yes, you do have a working kde after install konqueror03:51
kensaiMatt|: I have done that03:51
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bur[n] eryou won't have a working kdepim... which means kontact... but that can be fixed later03:51
bur[n] eri'd say just go with the debian sources03:52
kensaibur[n] er: I don't see the pakage kde selected after apt-get install konqueror03:52
bur[n] erthey're newer anyway03:52
bur[n] erkensai: kde is a metapackage03:52
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bur[n] erapt-cache show kde03:52
bur[n] eryou'll see03:52
bur[n] erafter konqueror, you will have kde-core03:52
kensaiOhh ok03:52
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bur[n] erwhich is the stuff to get the window manager03:52
kensaiOhh ok apt-get install kde-core works03:53
bur[n] erjust do konq ;)03:53
bur[n] eryou'll get more tha njust he core03:53
kensaishould I install kde-core with all dependencies and I have kde working?03:54
mirakbritt_: it's possible to install kde ?03:54
bur[n] erkensai: yes03:55
kensaiThanks very much03:55
britt_i just havent got it to boot with startx03:55
britt_but yeah03:55
bur[n] erwhy use ubuntu if you want kde though03:55
bur[n] eri don't get it03:55
britt_it take 434MB03:55
britt_just apt-get install kde03:55
britt_and it'll do it all03:55
bur[n] erbritt_: just edit your ~/.xsession for startx to work03:56
bur[n] eror just use gdm to load kde03:56
britt_cool thing03:56
kensaiI just needed qt-designer thats why I install kde03:56
bur[n] eror use kdm03:56
bur[n] erkensai: apt-get install qt-designer? ;)03:56
Matt|is anyone in here italian?03:56
bur[n] eru can run it from within gnome03:56
kensaino butqt-designer does not work on gnome03:56
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Treenakskensai: of course it does..03:56
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kensaiI've installed it and it does not launch03:57
Treenakskensai: if it's an X app you can run it..03:57
Treenakskensai: type the name ,see what kind of error message you get03:57
kensaiit uses qt from kde03:57
Treenakskensai: that doesn't make it "not work" with gnome03:57
Matt|kensai, you have install the packages it needs and run it in gnome03:57
kensaiI'll try once more04:00
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Treenaksfish:/ ?04:01
britt_what's nautilus?04:04
bur[n] eryou're kidding?04:04
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Matt|what is fish:/?04:04
bur[n] erTreenaks: fish == file transfer over ssh... a front end for scp basically04:04
bur[n] ervery handy :)04:04
Treenaksbur[n] er: nautilus does sftp://04:04
bur[n] eri'd been wining 'winscp' up until then04:05
Matt|yeah i tried to file tranfer over ssh with nautilus the other day and it was rubbish04:05
bur[n] ersftp:// != scp04:05
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bur[n] eryou have to have an sftp server running04:05
bur[n] eri, however, do not... and don't want to04:05
Treenaksbur[n] er: uh.. that's the same as an ssh server04:05
bur[n] eryeah?  i can't sftp into my box04:06
britt_i'm a console user04:06
mirakI was wondering, in ubuntu, there is absolutely NO kdelibs at all ?04:06
Treenaksbur[n] er: strange.. it's on by defauly in ubuntu/debian04:06
britt_I dont do this X thing04:06
Treenaksmirak: there are, in universe04:06
britt_I've been in gnome once04:06
bur[n] eru sure?  i have debian on my server04:06
kensaiok now how I launch qt3-designer?04:06
Treenaksbur[n] er: yes.. try using an ssh:// url then.. it _should_ work, really04:06
bur[n] erhrm...04:06
bur[n] erwell, i can't try now, i gotta go to work04:07
Treenaksand plain commandline sftp works fine as well04:07
bur[n] erbut i can when i get back04:07
bur[n] erworth a shot anyway04:07
bur[n] erbleh04:07
bur[n] eri dont' want command line04:07
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bur[n] erit's a pain to browse and move, etc04:07
Matt|bur[n] er, you don't need an sftp server, just ssh04:07
Matt|open new server from nautilus --> ssh04:07
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bur[n] erugh... can't i just type 'ssh://blah' in the address bar of nautilus?04:08
bur[n] eri hate that whole, create an icon first to mount it, etc04:08
bur[n] erin any event, work time... really gotta go04:08
bur[n] ersee ya's04:08
bur[n] erthanks for the advice04:08
bur[n] ernow if only samba to a windows box would work from nautilus... life would be better in gnome04:09
Matt|you can type sftp://blah in the address04:09
Matt|i hope04:09
cardadorbur[n] er: my samba works04:11
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cenerentolaall the ladies cant hear you04:11
Matt|cerentola i need some help04:11
cenerentolathat's my job04:11
cenerentolamatt: go on04:11
Matt|how would you say "concorso" in english?04:12
bratscheHow stable is Hoary?04:12
joolzdoes it have xorg with alpha blending?04:12
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Matt|joolz, not yet04:12
joolzah, too bad04:12
Matt|joolz, apparently coming soon04:12
Matt|cenerentola, did I say check a crappy internet dictionary?04:13
mirakis there some kind of net install cd of ubuntu ?04:13
cenerentolamatt: did i check a crappy internet dictionary?04:13
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cenerentolawell gimme the complete sentence04:13
Matt|cenerentola, well that was the translation i found on the net04:13
Matt|cenerentola, i don't have a complete sentence04:13
Matt|no good04:14
Matt|it can't be done04:14
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cenerentolato get a public job you do a concorso...04:14
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Matt|we don't have anything like that04:15
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cenerentolammm non04:15
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cenerentolai think contest suit..04:16
Matt|since we don't have it, it is impossible to describe04:16
Matt|no english person would understand the concept04:16
Matt|without a full description04:16
britt_so anyway kde installs04:16
Matt|Britt_ good04:16
Matt|is it good?04:16
britt_um yeah04:17
britt_it looks coo04:17
britt_but i dont use it04:17
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yann__hi, has anyone got java 1.4* working on warthy? I followed the instructions but it always fails installing from the *.bin file from sun...04:17
Matt|Britt_ you on hoary?04:17
jbiscontyes it works04:18
bratscheTo use Hoary, do you just changed "warty" to "hoary" in Synaptic's repository setup?04:18
bratscheThen upgrade?04:18
Matt|bratsche, yup04:18
jbiscontbut u must do few steps before use java directly from bash04:18
Matt|all the repos04:18
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cenerentolathere must be..04:18
britt_4.10 Warty04:19
Matt|cenerentola, we have exams, but the problem is the concept of the graduttoria04:19
yann__jbiscont: i am even failling on installing, how did you do it?04:19
Matt|here, either you pass or you fail04:19
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jbiscontyann__ I just sh *.bin04:19
cenerentolawell you pass or fail... but the graduatoria.. is needed for limited vacancies04:19
fissyhi, i'm trying to compile some software and it complains gcc is missing, though i've installed gcc3.4 using synaptic... do i need to create a gcc symlink?04:20
jbiscontyann__: what is the error message04:20
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yann__jbiscont: i tried chmod a+x jdk*; sudo ./jdk* ... well trying again...04:20
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Matt|fissy, does the command gcc work?04:21
fissybash: gcc: command not found04:21
britt_apt-get install gcc04:21
Matt|fissy, you need to install it04:21
fissydavid@darwin:~ $ gcc-3.404:21
fissygcc-3.4: no input files04:21
cenerentolawhat does concourse mean?04:21
jbiscontyann__: but the execution with the .bon worked wekk?04:21
fissyi have gcc... Matt|04:21
fissyjust not "gcc"04:22
Matt|fissy, yes, you have to install gcc04:22
spivfissy: install build-essential04:22
Matt|without the 3.404:22
jamaasNewbie here again... Is it possible for me to get a 2.4 kernel that is already compiled, and load it on this pc such that I I can boot from it or the regular 2.6 kernel?  Thanks04:22
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Strissis it possible to install ubuntu on an old P200 machine?04:23
Matt|jamaas, unwise04:23
fissywhy would i want build-essential?04:23
yann__jbiscont: nope, that was the problem. I tried the 1.5 too and get the same error:04:23
Matt|fissy, have you got the package "gcc"?04:23
britt_Striss: hell yeah!04:23
cenerentolamatt: what does concourse mean?04:23
Matt|fissy, the "no command found" indicates that you haven't04:23
Strissi have another old box here next  to my computer, i wanna put linux on it and just use it for something random04:23
cenerentolamatt: answer or lock your gf04:23
Matt|cenerentola, it is something totally diff04:23
yann__jbiscont: ./jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin: line 336: ./install.sfx.5220: cannot execute binary file04:23
yann__./jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin: line 1: cd: jdk1.5.0: File or directory not found04:23
jamaasMatt:why is it particularly unwise, seems the only option to use a certain linmodem?04:24
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fissyMatt|, just doing it now, though its going to install gcc-3.3, when i already have gcc-3.404:24
jbiscontyann_: wait I just look how did I install this!04:24
Matt|fissy, yes04:25
Matt|fissy, it will work though04:25
fissyok.... what would i do if iwanted to use gcc-3.4 though?04:25
jbiscontyann__: try to write sh on the terminal04:26
fissyi'm not overly bothered, i just installed 3.4 because i assumed it would work04:26
spivfissy: build-essential gives you a handful of dependencies you likely need, such as gcc, make and libc6-dev.04:26
yann__jbiscont: just sh??04:26
fissyah ok spiv04:26
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fissyi'm fairly sure i have make, its what complains about gcc being missing04:26
jbiscontyann__: yes to see if you can execute binary files from sh04:26
mwh_anyone know how to get danish spelling in openoffice in ubuntu?04:26
spivfissy: The gcc version in warty is 3.3, because that's what it was built with.04:26
mwh_cant seem to find a danish myspell