[12:00] <MFen> i have a list of packages i need to fix... is there anyway to express to apt-get "please install the most recent version of all these packages that comes from ubuntu" ?
[12:00] <janice> Matt| I don't have connectivity yet, although the wireless option does appear in the Network settings | connectivity window. I suspect I don't have connectivity because I did not specify a channel. Where do I specify a channel for the wireless?
[12:00] <WW> dmzen: I can't help you, but maybe this can: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1935
[12:01] <Elroy-J> mfen, maybe turn off unstable.....then use apt-get upgrade.....or synaptic
[12:01] <MFen> i've already removed the unstable archive, i just need to know how to select only the most recent version from the existing archive
[12:01] <dmzen> thanks WW
[12:01] <MFen> Elroy-J: apt-get upgrade isn't going to do jack. all the unstable packages are already newer than the ubuntu packages.. that's the main problem
[12:01] <MFen> and synaptic doesn't have a way to select an archive at all
[12:01] <Elroy-J> mfen, oh.....i see..........idk then
[12:02] <WW> Does dist-upgrade revert?
[12:02] <MFen> i know i can do apt-get install package=version and get the right version, but i have to find out the exact version for 70+ packages
[12:03] <Matt|> janice, i did not need to specify a channel
[12:03] <Matt|> janice, it seemed to detect it automatically
[12:05] <Matt|> janice, do you have WEP activated on the router?
[12:05] <Matt|> if so, stick in the WEP code
[12:06] <janice> Matt| No, WEP.
[12:06] <x0563511> can anyone help me with something? I need to set smbmnt as suid root
[12:07] <Matt|> does anyone know how to allow people to see directory listings when using apache?
[12:07] <x0563511> can anyone help me with something? I need to set smbmnt as suid root
[12:08] <Matt|> sorry x0563511 i don't know
[12:08] <x0563511> google time
[12:09] <Matt|> bbl
[12:09] <MFen> anyone know how to set the
[12:09] <MFen> argh
[12:09] <MFen> anyone know how to set the  Pin property in /etc/apt/preferences so i select only ubuntu packages?
[12:12] <WW> MFen: I'm don't have an answer for you, but I'm curious how to fix your problem.  You have sources.list set back to the standard repositories?
[12:12] <MFen> WW: correct
[12:13] <WW> MFen: So you need something like apt-get dist-upgrade that will actually install older versions over your current versions?
[12:13] <MFen> WW: correct. i just solved it! yay me
[12:13] <WW> MFen: What did you do?
[12:13] <MFen> ok, in /etc/apt/preferences
[12:14] <MFen> Package: *
[12:14] <MFen> Pin: release a=warty
[12:14] <MFen> Pin-Priority: 1001 # anything >1000
[12:14] <WW> MFen: Ah, cool.
[12:15] <MFen> apt_preferences is not very friendly, but i found the right part of the man page
[12:18] <chibifs> Hm. :/
[12:18] <WW> MFen is on the road to apt guru-hood. :)
[12:20] <Ruffian|JANE|> Someone say RuffianSoldier
[12:21] <Ruffian|JANE|> I mean, Ruffian
[12:21] <Ruffian|JANE|> crap
[12:21] <Ruffian|JANE|> someone just say my name
[12:22] <nathanieldelaney> how do I show the side pane in nautilus?
[12:22] <WW> Ruffian|JANE|: Hey
[12:23] <Ruffian|JANE|> ic
[12:23] <Ruffian|JANE|> kool
[12:25] <aPT-DRiNK> hi
[12:25] <aPT-DRiNK> which desktop does ubuntu ship with? :)
[12:25] <MFen> gnome
[12:25] <aPT-DRiNK> and kde isn't supported at all?
[12:26] <JStrike> aPT-DRiNK : no
[12:26] <jief> ubuntu-base is a metapackage right?
[12:26] <JStrike> But nothing is stopping you from installing it
[12:26] <Mithrandir> jief: yes.
[12:26] <jief> thought so. no harm in removing it
[12:26] <MFen> i'm not sure what "supported" even means in this context
[12:26] <nathanieldelaney> how do I show the side pane in nautilus?
[12:27] <Mithrandir> jief: just look at the description
[12:27] <JStrike> supported means it is in main
[12:28] <linux_mafia> supported == if it breaks, you may approach a dev with the pieces, otherwise you get to keep them, heh
[12:28] <MFen> linux_mafia: heh, ok
[12:29] <Hikaru79> Does anyone know if the "LinkSys Wireless-G PrintServer for USB 2.0" (Model #WPS54GU2) will work under Linux, or is it a Windows-only piece of hardware?
[12:30] <aPT-DRiNK> MFen: just asked if it was packaged
[12:30] <aPT-DRiNK> x)
[12:31] <aPT-DRiNK> many of u r going to mataro?
[12:31] <MFen> aPT-DRiNK: you can add a sid repository, install kde, and then remove sid
[12:32] <jdub> ugh, don't do that
[12:32] <jdub> just install kde from universe
[12:32] <ogra> MFen: kde is packaged
[12:32] <MFen> jdub: what's the difference?
[12:32] <JStrike> The oddness of using Ubuntu and then installing KDE gets to me. Aren't there dozens of debian based KDE distro's ?
[12:32] <spacey`ki> knoppix
[12:33] <spacey`ki> suse
[12:33] <JStrike> You miss out on one of the main points of ubuntu
[12:33] <spacey`ki> oh ok thats not debian base
[12:33] <aPT-DRiNK> JStrike: so ubuntu is only worth a try if u love gnome or what?
[12:33] <aPT-DRiNK> it has no more arguments?
[12:33] <jdub> MFen: the difference is that at least ubuntu is built against ubuntu. we do *not* recommend mixing repositories.
[12:33] <JStrike> spacey`ki : Suse is rpm based
[12:34] <spacey`ki> JStrike, yes i know, i was just thinking about kde for a moment
[12:34] <jief> i think i might have found a bug
[12:34] <nathanieldelaney> if mount point c does not exist, can i create it?
[12:34] <ogra> aPT-DRiNK: what about small footprint
[12:34] <spacey`ki> mkdir c
[12:34] <billytwowilly> I found a bug. mplayer no longer displays..
[12:34] <JStrike> aPT-DRiNK : Basically. That what it is built around and what makes it different
[12:34] <choudesh> where are the kernel sources?
[12:34] <spacey`ki> billytwowilly, you sure you have the codecs?
[12:34] <ogra> aPT-DRiNK: full hotplug/dbus/hal support
[12:34] <aPT-DRiNK> aPT-DRiNK: what makes ubuntu different is that it uses gnome??
[12:34] <MFen> all right, universe then
[12:35] <aPT-DRiNK> ogra: good point...
[12:35] <JStrike> spacey`ki : Add Lispire and Lycoris
[12:35] <billytwowilly> spacey`ki,  could I send you an output privately? I've never encountered the way it fails.
[12:35] <aPT-DRiNK> but i think it's not the first gnome-based distro, right?
[12:35] <spacey`ki> JStrike, ok :p
[12:35] <ogra> aPT-DRiNK: a "JustWorks" (tm) approach for everything (no fiddling with setups, configs(
[12:36] <JStrike> aPT-DRiNK : First entirely Gnome based.
[12:36] <Phr0stByte> ogra: cept a Wacom USB drawing tablet
[12:36] <chibifs> Oh! On the subject of wacoms :o
[12:36] <Phr0stByte> chibifs: got info?
[12:36] <ogra> Phr0stByte: _approach_ (and i guess it will be in hoary)
[12:37] <chibifs> Someone needs to compile the graphire 3compatible wacom driver :/
[12:37] <billytwowilly> could I send someone the output from mplayer to tell me what is wrong?
[12:37] <chibifs> It's not in the official kernel or x branches.
[12:37] <choudesh> Can someone help me? what is the path for kernel source?
[12:37] <choudesh> I need this for ndiswrapper
[12:37] <chibifs> http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/main
[12:37] <Phr0stByte> chibifs: the module is in the kernel AND enabled by default
[12:38] <Phr0stByte> chibifs: its just broken
[12:38] <chibifs> It's old.
[12:38] <chibifs> It doesn't support the Graphire or Intous 3
[12:38] <ogra> choudesh: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/
[12:38] <Phr0stByte> chibifs: in the 2.6.8 kernel
[12:38] <Phr0stByte> ?
[12:38] <Phr0stByte> no
[12:39] <chibifs> Reguardless of wether it's in the kernel or not, it's not in the X server.
[12:39] <billytwowilly> the output from mplayer is here: http://pastebin.com/116926
[12:39] <Phr0stByte> chibifs: thats just a matter of editing your XF86Config
[12:39] <Dre[A] mcatcher> anyone mind helping me with 2 questions?
[12:40] <IRCMonkey> Is anyone here familiar with Ubuntu on PPC based systems? Specifically is the partitioning during installation non-destructive to HFS+ file systems? The documentation on their web site seems to imply this.
[12:40] <billytwowilly> Dre[A] mcatcher, it's been my experience that you get better help if you just ask instead of asking to ask.
[12:40] <chibifs> No, Phr0st. It's not in it. That's an old driver. :/
[12:40] <Dre[A] mcatcher> k
[12:41] <Phr0stByte> chibifs: all I know is that I hope it works sometime soon - my wife threw away the box, so I cant return it
[12:41] <Phr0stByte> =P
[12:41] <Dre[A] mcatcher> i was wondering: 1) is it possible in xchat to change how transparent the background is to like 10% or something cause when i set the transparancy option its way to transparent and 2) im using a dualbooted system grub loads ubuntu by default but what do i need to do to make it load windows by default?
[12:41] <billytwowilly> any ideas on why mplayer won't work? output from mplayer is here: http://pastebin.com/116926
[12:41] <chibifs> We need to get someone to compile it. I've done it myself, but it would be nice as a default.
[12:43] <Phr0stByte> chibifs: is yours working?
[12:43] <billytwowilly> Dre[A] mcatcher, you need to edit your grub config and put the windows entry above the linux one
[12:43] <chibifs> That driver does the 3 series-- It has pre compiled XF86 4.3 drivers with it
[12:43] <chibifs> But compiling it for X.org is a bitch.
[12:43] <Phr0stByte> chibifs: xfree here
[12:43] <Dre[A] mcatcher> billytwowilly wich file would that be?
[12:43] <chibifs> Then you should be able to use that driver fine. :P
[12:43] <Phr0stByte> chibifs: tried... no dice
[12:43] <Phr0stByte> chibifs: care to help me out?
[12:43] <chibifs> The 0.6.4 driver?
[12:43] <billytwowilly> Dre[A] mcatcher, I don't remember. probably /etc/grub.conf or something like that.
[12:43] <Phr0stByte> yep
[12:43] <ogra> aPT: and i forgot, ubuntu has ubuntu ! https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/meaning-of-ubuntu/
[12:43] <Mithrandir> Dre[A] mcatcher: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:43] <ogra> oh, he left
[12:44] <Telep> bigbrother0074: having similar problem with mplayer. It just hangs when I try to play something
[12:44] <Telep> sorry, that was directed at billytwowilly
[12:44] <Telep> :P
[12:44] <Phr0stByte> chibifs: would you mind helping out with mine/
[12:44] <billytwowilly> Telep, sucky, isn't it;)
[12:45] <Phr0stByte> ?
[12:45] <billytwowilly> Telep, it's weird too because there isn't anything obvious in the output to me that would be causing it.
[12:45] <chibifs> Just a sec. Last time I did this I was on a slack box. :P
[12:45] <Phr0stByte> k
[12:45] <billytwowilly> Telep, are you running hoary?
[12:45] <Telep> billytwowilly: yes
[12:45] <Phr0stByte> chibifs: brb - going for a smoke
[12:46] <chibifs> 'kay
[12:46] <billytwowilly> Telep, does gstreamer work for you? gstreamer never worked on any of my divx files..
[12:46] <chibifs> Billy, do you have /all/ of gstreamer installed?
[12:47] <billytwowilly> chibifs, I dunno, I'm going to check now. I never thought I'd be using it;)
[12:47] <chibifs> Well, I still perfer xine. :/
[12:47] <chibifs> gstreamer still craps out on windows media formats.
[12:48] <Telep> My problem with xine is I have no sound... any idea what I might need to config?
[12:48] <Dre[A] mcatcher> Mithrandir i dont understand, it says 'default    0' but i dont see any numbers infront of the windows partition
[12:49] <huhmz> Hi, How can I get Gaim to autostart on login?
[12:49] <GnuHippy> go to sessions in the gnome control panel
[12:49] <Mithrandir> Dre[A] mcatcher: it's the number of the option, start counting from zero.
[12:49] <GnuHippy> and click startup programs
[12:49] <huhmz> thank you kind sir
[12:49] <GnuHippy> then add gaim to the list
[12:49] <Mithrandir> Dre[A] mcatcher: you probably want to move the windows part before the ubuntu kernels.
[12:49] <jdub> huhmz: save your session when you exit
[12:49] <jdub> GnuHippy: no, don't do that
[12:49] <GnuHippy> or do that
[12:49] <GnuHippy> why?
[12:49] <jief> the nessus-update-plugins script is pooched
[12:49] <mirak_> mfen, are you seriouse???.......how did you end up doing it?
[12:50] <jdub> GnuHippy: all kinds of bad session handling interaction
[12:50] <jdub> huhmz: run what you want to be running
[12:50] <MFen> mirak: oh, did you miss the commentary?
[12:50] <jdub> huhmz: then save your session on exit
[12:50] <MFen> i'm posting it on my blog, i'll put the link up in a minute
[12:50] <huhmz> want Gaim to autostart on login
[12:50] <mirak_> mfen, kk
[12:50] <huhmz> preferably minimized
[12:50] <jdub> huhmz: run it. quit everything else. log out, save session.
[12:50] <jdub> when you log in, it will be running
[12:51] <billytwowilly> ok. totem still doesn't love my divx files.
[12:51] <GnuHippy> run gaim right now and only gaim then logout and click save session
[12:51] <jdub> but it will pop up annoying dialogues and so on
[12:51] <jdub> because it's annoying
[12:51] <Phr0stByte> chibifs: back - I have not seen any case of a USB Wacom device working sinse kernel 2.4
[12:51] <GnuHippy> damn jdub your too fast
[12:51] <Dre[A] mcatcher> Mithrandir ok, thyere are 4 options at boot, default ubuntu, recovery mode, memory test and windows so i must set the default to 3 right?
[12:51] <billytwowilly> Can someone take a look at the output from mplayer and point out some possible problems for me to fix?
[12:51] <billytwowilly> output is here: http://pastebin.com/116926
[12:52] <Mithrandir> Dre[A] mcatcher: either that, or move windows, yes.
[12:52] <huhmz> jdub: ahh thanks
[12:52] <chibifs> Phr0st.. Are you using a 2 or a 3?
[12:52] <Phr0stByte> 3
[12:52] <Phr0stByte> (Graphire
[12:52] <chibifs> Just a minute. I'm going to teach myself debian packaging. :P
[12:52] <Phr0stByte> )
[12:52] <Dre[A] mcatcher> thats Mithrandir
[12:52] <Phr0stByte> lol
[12:52] <Phr0stByte> ok
[12:53] <chibifs> If I can build a decent enough package, I'll try to get it into the repository for everyone to use.
[12:53] <GnuHippy> billytwowilly I don't see a problem with your MPlayer output
[12:53] <GnuHippy> what is happening
[12:53] <GnuHippy> ?
[12:53] <Dre[A] mcatcher> another question, in xchat when you use the tranperancy option it is like 100% transparant, is there a way to edit this so it will be like 20% transparant?
[12:53] <GnuHippy> other than it can't find lirc support
[12:54] <billytwowilly> GnuHippy, any ideas as to why it wouldn't display? Is it sending it to the wrong display or something? how do I check what display I'm on?
[12:54] <mirak_> ooh....i like the transparency
[12:54] <Telep> GnuHippy: I have similar output, same problem. Just hangs.
[12:55] <billytwowilly> hurray! xine works.. but doesn't have any sound..
[12:55] <Telep> billytwowilly: yeah, same thing
[12:56] <billytwowilly> what's the device used for sound output in gnome?
[12:57] <mjr> billytwowilly, esd is started by default, I think, so you can use that
[12:57] <mjr> alsa works fine for me too tho
[12:57] <chibifs> billy- I've noticed some programs turn down the pcm slider on install.. for some reason.
[12:57] <Dre[A] mcatcher> anyone?
[12:57] <billytwowilly> that was my guess. it worked
[12:57] <billytwowilly> Telep, change your sound driver to esd
[12:57] <billytwowilly> xine will wokr like a charme
[12:57] <billytwowilly> err. charm
[12:58] <Telep> billytwowilly: for xine? where does one do that?
[12:58] <billytwowilly> in the config
[12:58] <mirak_> Dre[A] mcatcher, maybe try the tint button just below the transparent button?
[12:58] <billytwowilly> heh. that's hilarious. I downloaded james bond in spanish;)
[12:58] <mirak_> hahahaaaaa
[12:59] <billytwowilly> Telep, it's in the sound config. Change from beginner to "master of the known universe" first before you try to change it.
[12:59] <huhmz> Anyone know good app for learning to type fast?
[12:59] <mirak_> mavis beacon??
[12:59] <mirak_> lol
[12:59] <billytwowilly> heh
[12:59] <chibifs> Gah.
[01:00] <billytwowilly> mavis rules;)
[01:00] <billytwowilly> I used to love that car racing game when I was really young.
[01:00] <billytwowilly> I heard mavis went downhill since then though. She moved to the hood;)
[01:00] <mirak_> haha
[01:00] <mjr> huhmz, gtypist
[01:00] <chibifs> Phr0st- I'm going to do this later. When I got it in, though, the package with just be called wacom.
[01:00] <huhmz> mjr: thanks
[01:01] <Phr0stByte> chibifs: ok
[01:01] <Phr0stByte> I will check later
[01:01] <Telep> billytwowilly: hmm, I've got gxine - do I need to install xine-ui or something to be able to change that?
[01:01] <Phr0stByte> chibifs: when do you think that would be?
[01:01] <billytwowilly> Telep, I dunno. I did it from xine-ui
[01:01] <chibifs> I'm not fully migrated over from slackware yet. Debian packaging is confusing. :P
[01:01] <billytwowilly> I'm not familiar with gxine
[01:01] <Telep> ok
[01:01] <billytwowilly> It's all just added bloat to me;) I love mplayer -vo xv filename;)
[01:02] <chibifs> A week, at most.
[01:02] <chibifs> Probably sooner. I've got alot to get done right now, though.
[01:02] <Phr0stByte> k
[01:02] <Dre[A] mcatcher> mirak_ that aint enough, i want it even less transparant
[01:04] <mirak_> Dre[A] mcatcher, im a newb...sorry...best i can do for ya
[01:04] <Dre[A] mcatcher> k, thansk though
[01:04] <mirak_> :)
[01:04] <Dre[A] mcatcher> billytwowilly do you know how to edit it though?
[01:05] <socomm> Dre[A] mcatcher: what are you talking about?
[01:05] <billytwowilly> Dre[A] mcatcher, no idea. I turn that crap off as default;)
[01:06] <Dre[A] mcatcher> lol
[01:06] <mirak_> Dre[A] mcatcher, maybe another app to suite your needs?
[01:07] <Dre[A] mcatcher> prolly, cant be arsed to look into that right now i thought it might be in a config file or something
[01:08] <billytwowilly> what app is this anyway?
[01:08] <Dre[A] mcatcher> but its 1 am, im gonna sleep
[01:08] <Dre[A] mcatcher> xchat
[01:08] <billytwowilly> where are you?
[01:08] <billytwowilly> xchat rules. There's an app for kde that is almost as good.
[01:08] <mirak_> any easy to setup p2p apps in the repository?
[01:08] <billytwowilly> konversation or something.
[01:08] <socomm> Dre[A] mcatcher: version?
[01:08] <billytwowilly> but it's not in the repository
[01:09] <socomm> mirak: apollon
[01:09] <socomm> mirak: I think it's in the reps.
[01:09] <mirak_> socomm, is it good?
[01:09] <billytwowilly> nicotine is awesome too.
[01:09] <billytwowilly> Hilarious.
[01:10] <mirak_> billytwowilly, help me set up azureus?......if i need it?
[01:10] <socomm> mirak: yeah you can search three different networks[gnutella,OpenFT,FastTrack]  if you get the plugins.
[01:10] <billytwowilly> mirak, you need to get java working first. Follow the ubuntu website java howto
[01:10] <socomm> mirak: or get bittorrent, which is *the* P2P app.
[01:10] <billytwowilly> azureus is just a bittorrent client
[01:10] <billytwowilly> an awesome one.
[01:10] <socomm> Who said anything about Azureus?
[01:10] <mirak_> billytwowilly, oh.....i have bittorrent
[01:11] <socomm> Nevermind.
[01:11] <Telep> billytwowilly: ok, thx. xine works fine indeed :)
[01:11] <mirak_> maybe i should have said file share client
[01:11] <socomm> I see it now ^_^!
[01:11] <mirak_> any good file share clients?
[01:11] <billytwowilly> get nicotine if you want music or porn. The porn channle on nicotine is hilarious;)
[01:11] <socomm> pr0n, eh?
[01:11] <mirak_> billytwowilly, movies?
[01:11] <billytwowilly> Telep, No problem, enjoy. A big thanks to whoever confirmed esd was the driver we wanted.
[01:12] <billytwowilly> mirak, no idea. I was only on nicotine for ten minutes. I popped into the porn channel and almost fell out of my chair laughing so hard;)
[01:12] <mirak_> haha
[01:12] <mirak_> i need movies and music......so an app for that
[01:12] <mirak_> ?
[01:13] <billytwowilly> Someone asked who had a big dick and this other person said he did, then the first person asked if he wanted to cyber and he said "sorry, I don't do that anymore. last time my dick got stuck in the cdrom drive."
[01:13] <billytwowilly> hilarious stuff.
[01:13] <mirak_> hahahaa....rolf
[01:13] <billytwowilly> magnatune.com
[01:13] <billytwowilly> a record company that isn't evil
[01:14] <socomm> billytwowilly: try to tone it down a bit don't want people joining to get the wrong idea.
[01:14] <billytwowilly> socomm, no worries. No more porn or file sharing stories;)
[01:15] <billytwowilly> Can I still talk about magnatune.com though? They are awesome. it's a record company that pays half of what you pay to its artists
[01:15] <mirak_> billytwowilly, where are they based??.........my band needs signed
[01:15] <socomm> billytwowilly: go ahead.
[01:16] <billytwowilly> mirak, They are in the states, but accept musicians from all over the world
[01:16] <mirak_> billytwowilly, sweet.......i shall send them a demo
[01:17] <billytwowilly> Go for it. They might not sign you though. They are pretty selective. What kind of music do you play?
[01:17] <LinuxJones> mirak_, what kind of music do you play ?
[01:17] <socomm> New age.
[01:17] <LinuxJones> socomm, I am old what is new age ?
[01:18] <mirak_> LinuxJones, kinda pop-punk, indie, rock kinda thing.......female vocals...lots O' melodies and stuff
[01:18] <Dre[A] mcatcher> how would i get a flash plugin, i read the doc on thw howto page but there is no flash installer for ubuntu and apt-get install flash-plugin-nonfree ( debian ) says it cant find the package
[01:18] <mirak_> wahts with this new age stuff
[01:18] <billytwowilly> Dre[A] mcatcher, add metaverse and universe repositories and search for flash
[01:19] <tolstoy> Is gpdf pretty much non-functional?
[01:19] <kapputu> hello all
[01:19] <Dre[A] mcatcher> billytwowilly im sorry, this is my first linux distro, what do you mean
[01:19] <LinuxJones> mirak_ as long as it's not rap :)
[01:19] <TheMuso> Is the new wiki operational yet?
[01:19] <Telep> hmm... I've got an ati mobility radeon 9200, and am not currently using the binary driver. Playing a dvd takes up all the cpu and is choppy - could installing the non-free driver help?
[01:20] <Telep> I'm a bit concerned about using the ati driver otherwise...
[01:20] <mirak_> LinuxJones, i promise :)
[01:20] <LinuxJones> ;0
[01:20] <billytwowilly> Dre[A] mcatcher, No prob. I was asking what some would consider silly and/or easy questions about ubuntu  2 days ago when I was installing/setting up ubuntu;) I take a bit torrent philosophy to tech support;) I want my share ratio to be atleast one;)
[01:20] <Dre[A] mcatcher> hehe
[01:20] <Dre[A] mcatcher> but what to do with metaverse and universe repositories?
[01:21] <mirak_> univer is easy
[01:21] <mirak_> go to synaptic
[01:21] <vasi> i'm having a bizarre problem....sound is playing very distorted, sounds very growly. i'm trying to figure out what i did to cause this, as it was working fine before. any suggestions?
[01:21] <WW> Dre[A] mcatcher: I think he meant multiverse
[01:21] <billytwowilly> Dre[A] mcatcher, su to root and edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:21] <mirak_> setting-------repositories, and enable all of them
[01:21] <WW> Dre[A] mcatcher: There is a package called "flashplayer-mozilla" in the "multiverse" repository.
[01:22] <billytwowilly> then uncomment the two sources there and add this one: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[01:22] <WW> Dre[A] mcatcher: You can also enable the repository with Synaptic.
[01:22] <Telep> billytwowilly: any idea about improving dvd playback in xine? Is there something in the xine config that might improve performance?
[01:22] <billytwowilly> Telep, no idea, sorry. I usually dvdrip my dvds before watching them.
[01:23] <Telep> heh
[01:23] <billytwowilly> maybe make sure xv is used for video display? That's a shot in the dark...
[01:24] <Dre[A] mcatcher> WW: what do you mean with "multiverse" repository. and repository with Synaptic.
[01:25] <billytwowilly> Dre[A] mcatcher, There are basically 3 repositories. The one supported by ubuntu developers, and universe and multiverse.
[01:25] <WW> Dre[A] mcatcher: I recommend reading this short explanation first: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[01:25] <Dre[A] mcatcher> k
[01:26] <Telep> billytwowilly: no effect :(
[01:26] <billytwowilly> Telep, what proc are you running?
[01:26] <Telep> processor? Pentium M
[01:27] <WW> Dre[A] mcatcher: Now, "multiverse" is a fourth component that was added after that page was written.
[01:27] <socomm> LinuxJones: New age music is instrumental, elecltronicmusic such as Enya.
[01:28] <billytwowilly> Telep, I have a pentium M too. No probs watchig dvds.
[01:28] <socomm> Are pentium M's any good.
[01:28] <billytwowilly> WW, what is the deal with multiverse?
[01:28] <WW> billytwowilly: It's "non-free" stuff.
[01:29] <LinuxJones> socomm, if you want some old age music try Rush or Iron Maiden :)
[01:29] <mirak_> MFen, still around?
[01:29] <MFen> yep
[01:29] <WW> billytwowilly: See #19: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view/
[01:29] <mirak_> lol...iron maiden
[01:29] <Telep> billytwowilly: but should the graphic card have a big effect on that? or the driver used?
[01:29] <mirak_> Telep, yes
[01:29] <billytwowilly> Telep, probably. I have an ati mobility radeon 9700 w/128 MB.. in my laptop. works great with ubuntu
[01:29] <socomm> LinuxJones: that was just a joke, trying to make fun of mirak in a friendly way.
[01:30] <LinuxJones> mirak_, Iron Maiden were spectacular for about 10 years
[01:30] <socomm> LinuxJones: Iron Maiden is cool, though rush sucks in my opinion.
[01:30] <mirak_> LinuxJones, but not now.......
[01:30] <LinuxJones> socomm,  listen to 2112 for 1 days and realize their brilliance :)
[01:30] <socomm> mirak: good music is timeless.
[01:31] <Telep> billytwowilly: and you are using ati's driver?
[01:31] <sidney> is there any place other than dotdeb that I can get php5?
[01:31] <wims> my floppy drive wont work in ubuntu
[01:31] <TheMuso> wims: What sort of floppy drive is it? i.e USB, or internal?
[01:31] <socomm> wims: floppies are so 1980's.
[01:32] <wims> internal
[01:32] <bob2> man, people jumped on the php5 bandwagon pretty damn quickly
[01:32] <TheMuso> socomm: Floppys are still handy to have around.
[01:32] <MFen> mirak: http://strongdynamic.blogspot.com/2004/11/apt-get-install-antidote.html
[01:32] <wims> i just want a boot disk, just in case
[01:32] <sidney> i REALLY need it!
[01:32] <socomm> TheMuso: I know I was just joking.
[01:32] <mjr> wims, did you make sure the floppy driver is loaded? (sudo modprobe floppy)
[01:32] <socomm> sidney: why not compile it yourself?
[01:32] <Safari_Al> Hi guys.  Can anyone here suggest a reasonable automated install system for ubuntu?
[01:33] <sidney> because I am being overwhelemed by it
[01:33] <Safari_Al> I've been trying autoinstall but have run into some problems.  Would like to know if there are any other options I should consider.
[01:33] <billytwowilly> Telep, yep, using ati's driver. Howto is on the ubuntu wiki
[01:33] <Le1> Hello, how to I install k3b?
[01:33] <Telep> billytwowilly: yeah ok.
[01:33] <LinuxJones> mirak_, how many bands were spectacular for even 1 year, only a handfull :)
[01:33] <socomm> Le1: search ubuntus wiki.
[01:33] <jdub> Safari_Al: FAI
[01:33] <Le1> thanks
[01:33] <jdub> Safari_Al: next release will have kickstart compatible pre-seeding
[01:33] <wims> now it workas
[01:33] <wims> works*
[01:33] <wims> heh
[01:33] <socomm> Le1: If I recall correctly apt-get install k3b will do it for you.
[01:34] <Le1> cool
[01:34] <sidney> how about somebody that is an *expert* at building make a deb of php5?
[01:34] <wims> i thought since my soundcard and network card got autodetected and enabled maybe floppy would be too
[01:35] <Safari_Al> jdub, I actually moved away from FAI to autoinstall because it looked less needlessly complex.  Can you shed any more light on how you guys will approach it in hoary?  Perhaps I can help.
[01:35] <mirak_> LinuxJones, you are right, i just never really got into iron maiden....i am only 20.....
[01:35] <socomm> mirak: are you into Bob Dylan?
[01:35] <mirak_> socomm, hahaha.....no
[01:36] <socomm> mirak: why not?
[01:36] <mirak_> socomm, you?
[01:36] <jdub> Safari_Al: yeah, i'm not a huge fan of FAI myself
[01:36] <jdub> Safari_Al: have you used RH kickstart before?
[01:36] <socomm> mirak: yeah I'm into alot of the older stuff.
[01:36] <Le1> I get :
[01:36] <Le1> apt-get install k3b
[01:36] <Le1> Reading Package Lists... Done
[01:36] <Le1> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[01:36] <Le1> E: Couldn't find package k3b
[01:36] <Le1> when I run apt-get
[01:36] <Safari_Al> jdub, Yes.
[01:36] <socomm> Le1: I installed it a few weeks back, search the wiki I know there's a tutorial there.
[01:36] <mirak_> socomm, i listened to like bush, nirvana, offspring
[01:37] <Le1> cool thanks
[01:37] <socomm> mirak: Nirvana is cool, though bush and offspring aint my cup of tea.
[01:37] <mirak_> socomm, hey!....can you help me out with installing .deb stuff?
[01:37] <mirak_> socomm, yeah...they both went down hill....there old stuff was good
[01:38] <jdub> Safari_Al: yeah, so, we'll use the same format as an input to d-i pre-seeding
[01:38] <socomm> mirak: man dpkg
[01:38] <mjr> wims, a reasonable assumption, but false nevertheless; put the line "floppy" in /etc/modules to have it automatically loaded
[01:38] <socomm> mirak: usually dpkg -i package.deb will do it.
[01:38] <mirak_> socomm, kk...thnx
[01:38] <jcole> how can i "communicate" with gconf from the command line? 've got some apps i want to configure (i'm writng a config script) but i don't want to just plop a bunch of %gconf.xml files everywhere...
[01:38] <jdub> Safari_Al: which will be rad for automated installs :)
[01:38] <mirak_> socomm, ill give it a shot
[01:38] <jdub> jcole: gconftool-2
[01:38] <mirak_> brbr
[01:38] <socomm> mirak: okay.
[01:38] <wims> mjr: thanks
[01:39] <jcole> jdub: awesome, thanks
[01:39] <TerminX> where's the ubuntu equiv of incoming.debian.org?
[01:40] <MFen> mirak: if that didn't work, try again. i still had it in draft
[01:40] <jdub> TerminX: there's no equivalent
[01:40] <Safari_Al> jdub, I'm guessing that there's pretty decent infrastructure in d-i for network installs as well?  Netbooting, and the like.
[01:40] <jdub> Safari_Al: yeah
[01:40] <jdub> Safari_Al: you can get netboot images from the cdimage server
[01:40] <bob2> TerminX: packages move into the archive a lot more often than in debian, tho
[01:41] <sidney> so no php5? :-(
[01:41] <Safari_Al> jdub, debian's cdimage server?
[01:42] <socomm> sidney: http://www.google.com/linux
[01:42] <jdub> Safari_Al: cdimage.ubuntulinux.org
[01:42] <JeffreyB> Anyone use pure Debian repositories? Any problems with that? Just finished my 1st Ubuntu install... so far I like it!
[01:42] <jdub> JeffreyB: strongly discourage using debian repositories
[01:43] <jdub> JeffreyB: enable universe and multiverse in sources.list
[01:43] <TheMuso> JeffreyB: You could connecto to a debian source archive and grab source packages, and rebuild.
[01:43] <JeffreyB> cool.. thought that would be the answer... thanks!
[01:43] <TheMuso> That is if universe doesn't have what you are after.
[01:43] <mirak_> socomm, i think i did it :)
[01:43] <socomm> mirak: congrats.
[01:45] <mirak_> socomm, i know i did it
[01:45] <mirak_> socomm, thank you
[01:45] <socomm> mirak: cool.
[01:45] <socomm> mirak: don't mention it, just help any new comers.
[01:45] <Safari_Al> jdub, Found them.  Taking a look now...
[01:46] <mirak_> socomm, i always try my best
[01:47] <rufius> is there a kernel-source package for the 2.6.8.1-3-k7 kernel?
[01:48] <jdub> rufius: linux-source
[01:48] <rufius> jdub: danke
[01:48] <Telep> billytwowilly: hmm, I installed the driver, didn't help. Odd though, I've tried this driver before, and it did make a difference with mplayer.
[01:49] <billytwowilly> Telep, you have to change the entry in you /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:49] <billytwowilly> from ati to glxr or fglxr or something
[01:50] <mirak_> Telep, i changed "generic....." to say "radeon"
[01:50] <MFen> is the 'universe' repository in any sense writable?  can i submit my own packages to it without going through the usual debian review?
[01:50] <Telep> hmm, I have done that already
[01:50] <billytwowilly> it should say in the howto on the wiki what to change it to
[01:50] <billytwowilly> run glxgears
[01:51] <billytwowilly> I hit 1070 fps
[01:51] <billytwowilly> before I was hitting 130ish
[01:51] <mirak_> Telep, i get like 4k fps from glxgears with a radeon 7000 64mb
[01:51] <billytwowilly> you get 4k fps?
[01:51] <mirak_> billytwowilly, yeah
[01:52] <Telep> hmm, I'm getting like ~1600 fps
[01:52] <mirak_> billytwowilly, like 4103 or something like that
[01:52] <billytwowilly> What a rip off. I thought the mobility 9700 was suposed to be decent
[01:52] <mirak_> billytwowilly, i have 1200mghz amd     256mb ram
[01:53] <Telep> I have 9200 and 64mb :D
[01:53] <Telep> and Pentium M 1.5 GHz
[01:53] <Telep> 512 ram
[01:53] <mirak_> billytwowilly, dont worry.....i still dont get any hardware support......enemy territory runs horrible
[01:53] <billytwowilly> The driver must not be that good on the mobility radeon 9700 then. Well, the 9700 mobility technically isn't supported anyway;)
[01:54] <Telep> probably, I'm sure the 9700 is superior otherwise ;)
[01:54] <mirak_> in window...for sure
[01:55] <billytwowilly> heh. It doesn't matter;) I'm just half joking;) I don't play games, it's just what came with the laptop
[01:55] <Telep> but hmm, could the problem be my dvd drive? or the way linux accesses it?
[01:55] <Telep> don't know much about this stuff
[01:55] <mirak_> billytwowilly, i quit gaming as well......game time=learn linux time now
[01:56] <mirak_> Telep, you get sound but no video?
[01:56] <billytwowilly> heh. game time= slack in other ways time;)
[01:56] <malte`> hi
[01:56] <Telep> mirak: no, I get video, but it's jerky, and the cpu maxes out
[01:56] <Telep> in xine that is
[01:56] <mirak_> Telep, hmm........
[01:57] <Telep> and only playing dvd's
[01:57] <nomasteryoda> hdparm
[01:57] <nomasteryoda> look at those settings
[01:57] <mirak_> Telep, i cant really help...im a newb......but it sounds like....your proccesor is doing the work for your vid card
[01:58] <fissy> hi, does anyone know how to remove exchange from evolution?
[01:58] <nomasteryoda> I/O of '/dev/hda will kill your video performance
[01:58] <Telep> nomasteryoda: DMA modes:  sdma0 sdma1 sdma2 mdma0 mdma1 *mdma2
[01:59] <Telep> for my dvd drive, that is
[01:59] <Telep> anything else I should pay attention to in the hdparm output?
[02:00] <Safari_Al> jdub, preseeding is a current techonology, right?  Documentation around the place regarding this seems to be scanty.  Can you point me to anywhere good?
[02:00] <stuNNed_> can anyone browse windows computer shares in ubuntu?
[02:00] <bob2> stuNNed_: yes, everyone can
[02:00] <jdub> Safari_Al: pre-seeding stuff in d-i was not ready for warty
[02:01] <jdub> Safari_Al: all that stuff will appear in hoary, though
[02:01] <aiw> i have a friend installing ubuntu on a pc with a supermicro p6dbs dual processor motherboard with on-board scsi, the live-cd works fine, but install hangs shortly after starting klogd, any suggestions why that might be? He has tried with a single processor, with scsi disabled and enabled, hard drive attached, not attached, all give the same response
[02:01] <bob2> aiw: try acpi=off and noapic
[02:01] <aiw> ok, thanks
[02:01] <stuNNed_> bob2, LOL :)  i get the infamous gnome-vfs 'permission denied' error
[02:01] <GOwin> hi everyone. what is the log file of synaptic manager?
[02:02] <Safari_Al> jdub, ah :|  Ok. So it looks like I'll have to use something else to get us across the next 6 months.  I'll probably have to hack up autoinstall so it works.
[02:04] <GOwin> anyone?
[02:04] <bob2> does it have a log file?
[02:04] <Freedomzen> ?
[02:06] <GOwin> i don't know. i'm trying to retrieve an error i got yesterday.
[02:06] <limaunion> should I disable tmpfs ? as I understand it'll take half of the available RAM, is this correct ?
[02:06] <Freedomzen> GOwin, ok
[02:06] <Freedomzen> well
[02:07] <Freedomzen> what error
[02:07] <Freedomzen> limaunion, I disabled tmpfs on arch had no probs
[02:07] <jdub> limaunion: no, that's the maximum size. it will only use what you put in it.
[02:07] <GOwin> i was trying to do a smart upgrade. it reported that postgresql cannot be upgraded or something like that
[02:07] <bob2> limaunion: don't disable it
[02:07] <limaunion> Freedomzen: ok
[02:07] <Freedomzen> GOwin, try default
[02:07] <Freedomzen> ?
[02:08] <GOwin> freedomzen, default?
[02:08] <limaunion> jdub: where's mounted ? under what path ?
[02:08] <GOwin> default upgrade?
[02:08] <Freedomzen> default upgrade?
[02:08] <jdub> limaunion: type 'mount'
[02:08] <limaunion> bob2: why not, I've already disabled...
[02:08] <GOwin> hmm ... would it mess up my existing settings and configuration?
[02:09] <bob2> limaunion: why bother?
[02:09] <bob2> and glibc likes having it.
[02:09] <jdub> limaunion: you don't need to disable it, it doesn't harm you
[02:09] <bob2> GOwin: it shouldn't
[02:09] <GOwin> *shouldn't* ... hmmm :)
[02:09] <limaunion> bob2: because I don't have a lot of free memory, but it's dynamically used right ?
[02:10] <jdub> limaunion: it only uses what you put in it
[02:10] <jdub> limaunion: and will only use a maximum of half your memory (by default)
[02:10] <GOwin> should i run ubuntu as single user mode first or turn off running servers? (i got egroupware, php apache and postgress running)
[02:10] <limaunion> jdub: ok, thanks, will re-enable it
[02:11] <limaunion> mount shows: tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw), so where is it ?
[02:12] <limaunion> I mean, how do I cp a file there ?
[02:13] <bob2>  it's mounted on /dev/shm
[02:13] <bob2> it's not really meant for you to put random stuff on, tho
[02:15] <limaunion> bob2: so it's just for the kernel internal use ?
[02:16] <bob2> glibc uses it, aiui
[02:16] <bob2> you can mount your own if you want
[02:16] <bob2> some people make /tmp a ram-based filesystem
[02:17] <limaunion> bob2: ok, thanks
[02:17] <jordi> I have this tick of unpacking large debian packages in tmp
[02:17] <Safari_Al> jdub, We're planning to do a desktop linux push to both the education and corporate sectors here in adelaide.  Whom should I contact about getting Canonical's name & support behind us?
[02:17] <stuNNed_> bob2, is there an ubuntu samba howto or what packages to i need installed to browse windows shares?
[02:17] <jordi> stuNNed_: with GNOME? Just go to the Network thing
[02:18] <jdub> Safari_Al: jeff.waugh@canonical.com
[02:18] <stuNNed_> jordi, yes, and i get 'permission denied, you don't have rights to access this folder' but can browse in winxp fine, even get that error for my linux server
[02:19] <billytwowilly> I think I coaxed more error messages out of mplayer.  can anyone tell me why mplayer/gmplayer is not woring from this:http://pastebin.com/116956
[02:19] <Safari_Al> jdub, Great, thanks.
[02:20] <stuNNed_> billytwowilly, did you install the mplayer-fonts package?
[02:21] <billytwowilly> stuNNed_, I thought I did. I'll go check.
[02:21] <billytwowilly> stuNNed_, yes it is installed
[02:22] <billytwowilly> I'm going to try one other thing and then possibly give up
[02:25] <ociN> hi everyone
[02:25] <bob2> hi, dr nico
[02:26] <stuNNed_> billytwowilly, with mplayer-common i get MPlayer was compiled WITHOUT GUI support.
[02:26] <billytwowilly> hmm. well this is mplayer from marillat
[02:26] <billytwowilly> So it can play dvds
[02:26] <ociN> I would like some assistance in installing Ubuntu
[02:27] <ociN> first, some background on me and my Linux knowledge
[02:27] <Gmail> ociN: enter enter enter enter take out cd
[02:27] <stuNNed_> billytwowilly, sorry, meant 'mplayer-custom'
[02:27] <Gmail> all done
[02:27] <ociN> I'm quite knowledgeable with Debian
[02:27] <Gmail> ociN: ubuntu uses debian-installer
[02:28] <billytwowilly> stuNNed_, I don't know what else to do to fix it.
[02:28] <ociN> it has been running on a good number of machines for some years, laptops, desktops, servers, new, old, light to very heavy load
[02:28] <ociN> I have used the new d-i in multiple releases
[02:28] <ociN> on the same machine I use
[02:29] <ociN> but Ubuntu's fails when searching for a CD-ROM drive
[02:29] <janice> Hi All, I got the ndiswrapper to work. Thank you choudesh and others for helping.
[02:29] <ociN> because it wants the ich-5/5R module
[02:29] <JeffreyB> Does anyone here use Gnumeric over OOo? I wanna try it out but wondered about strengths/weaknesses.
[02:29] <ociN> which should be the standard piix, which is loaded
[02:30] <stuNNed_> billytwowilly, do you want gmplayer or just mplayer w/out gui support?
[02:30] <ociN> my machine is a Shuttle SFF with 875P/ICH-5 chipset
[02:31] <ociN> anybody had that issue?
[02:31] <bob2> ociN: have you checked the bts?
[02:31] <MagicFab> need some help doing a driver install
[02:31] <MagicFab> make doesn't find files in /usr/include/asm/
[02:31] <bob2> ociN: does loading it manually fix the problem?
[02:31] <ociN> I googled it, but only found 2 instances with the same problem, but no fix
[02:31] <jdub> JeffreyB: technically, gnumeric is the better spreadsheet
[02:31] <ociN> 'bts' ?
[02:32] <MagicFab> Trying to install the driver for a LInksys wusb:
[02:32] <MagicFab> http://at76c503a.berlios.de/
[02:32] <bob2> ociN: the bug system
[02:32] <bob2> MagicFab: are you sure ubuntu doesn't include drivers for that?
[02:32] <billytwowilly> stuNNed_, I want mplayer. no gui necessary
[02:32] <ociN> I loaded piix manually, it shows in lsmod, linked to other modules, but still no cd drive
[02:32] <MagicFab> There's a bug report htat seems to indicate it doesnt
[02:33] <ociN> cd is on PATA, hdd is on SATA
[02:33] <MagicFab> Device manager sees it but as "unknow/unknow" (device/vendor)
[02:33] <billytwowilly> stuNNed_, it doesn't necessarily have to play dvds either. Just divx files, mpeg, etc
[02:33] <MagicFab> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1534
[02:33] <bob2> MagicFab: ignore device manager
[02:33] <bob2> ociN: /topic
[02:33] <MFen> what's the gnome equivalent of "start" on windows and "open" on linux
[02:33] <MFen> i mean "open" on mac osx
[02:33] <stuNNed_> billytwowilly, add multiverse to your repo's, uninstall your mplayer, then add mplayer-custom, also there is mozilla-mplayer for plugin
[02:33] <JeffreyB> jdub: Cool... I guess I just need to install it and give it a go. Thanks man!
[02:33] <MFen> i want to launch a pdf from the command line
[02:34] <bob2> MFen: gnome-open
[02:34] <stuNNed_> billytwowilly, add/install mplayer-custom, sorry about that
[02:34] <billytwowilly> stuNNed_, ok, I'll give it  atry
[02:34] <MFen> bob2: nice. thanks. /me aliases to "go"
[02:36] <MagicFab> several nights ago I asked here about resizing an existing /ext3 partition used in /home for a Mdk10 install... it worked :) writing this from a fresh install.
[02:37] <Telep> hmm, I installed mplayer-custom and now it won't even attempt to run a dvd
[02:37] <billytwowilly> stuNNed_, Still no mplayer after I tried what you recommended. Still hangs
[02:37] <Gmail> what better the emule network or the donkey network for p2p?
[02:37] <ociN> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1428
[02:37] <bob2> Gmail: this is not a warez channel
[02:38] <vasi> bob2, you do know that p2p programs can be used for more than warez, right?
[02:38] <ociN> and this one looks more detailed https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1440
[02:38] <JStrike> They can, but rarely are
[02:39] <bob2> vasi: of course, but I very much doubt Gmail is trying to download taped Phish flac sets.
[02:39] <Q|> hey all
[02:42] <Gmail> bob2: i don't want warez
[02:42] <bob2> Gmail: what do you want?
[02:43] <Gmail> i was told i can d/l mepis off it way faster than the mirror (10kB/s
[02:43] <bob2> Gmail: er, you claimed to have 100 mepis cds
[02:43] <Gmail> 2004.05 is out
[02:43] <Gmail> i got 2004.04 cds
[02:44] <vasi> do they have a torrent?
[02:44] <Gmail> vasi: no they are stupid!!!
[02:46] <Gmail> sorry 2004.05 is coming out today and 2004.04 came out on the 25/10/04 (11 days ago)
[02:47] <JStrike> legality aside, the state of file-sharing for Gnome users is shocking
[02:47] <bob2> Gmail: anyway, mepis downloads are just ass off-topic as porn ones
[02:47] <bob2> #mepis.
[02:47] <MagicFab> Gmail: http://www.tlm-project.org/distributions/browse_distro.php?distro_id=12&expand_version=67
[02:47] <MagicFab> GISYF
[02:47] <XLX> hello my good people
[02:47] <Gmail> bob2: that why i ask which one is a better network
[02:47] <MagicFab> oups, no 2004.5 there
[02:48] <bob2> Gmail: try and see, duh
[02:48] <ociN> rebooting in order to try a possible solution
[02:48] <ociN> thanks
[02:48] <MagicFab> bob2: I had the wrong files for U's kernel. Now I have something different
[02:49] <MagicFab> make doesnt find files in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build
[02:49] <MagicFab> bob2: sorry - meant ociN:
[02:49] <bob2> install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[02:49] <MagicFab> very new to kernel patching...
[02:49] <bob2> you're not pacthing the kernel
[02:49] <bob2> you're building a module
[02:50] <bob2> to do that, you need to have the linux-headers-$(uname -r) package installed
[02:50] <kensai> is there a way to have sound in doom 3 although I use alsa drivers?
[02:50] <Burgundavia> salut all
[02:51] <XLX> I acquired a pice of machinery (dual PIII 500MHz) and I was able to boot Ubuntu LIVE (Knoppix woudn't work). Now I'm trying to install the actual Ubuntu distro, but it fails each time (it goes to black screen after the message "Starting syslogk..." or such) System hangs at that time... any hints ?
[02:51] <MagicFab> bob2: that command returns "too few arguments"
[02:52] <MagicFab> bob2: can you give more details ?
[02:52] <Gmail> i installed blackdown java where did the plugin install that i can move it to firefox plugin dir
[02:52] <Gmail> XLX: do a md5sum check of the cd
[02:52] <MagicFab> bob2: tx for the diff. between patching / building.. there's 2 versions of that drivers' support how-to
[02:53] <Gmail> a cruppted cd will couse the installer to crash
[02:53] <XLX> Gmail: I also tried Debian-Sarge netinstal - Same failing results (I don't think that the CD is bad...)
[02:54] <XLX> I used acpi=off
[02:54] <XLX> noapic
[02:54] <XLX> all the power management options...
[02:54] <XLX> fails each time at the same spot
[02:54] <Gmail> XLX: 50%+ of all probblems we have in here s of cruppted cds
[02:55] <Gmail> my first cd was also cruopted
[02:55] <MagicFab> bob2: never mind, found it in synaptics
[02:55] <bob2> MagicFab: right
[02:55] <Brandybuck> hi all
[02:55] <bob2> MagicFab: make sure it's the exact right version, though
[02:55] <bob2> choudesh[away] : turn that off please
[02:55] <XLX> I know that my debian installer is good since I'm using it right now (typing from it)... and it fails at the same point as Ubuntu's installer
[02:56] <XLX> I can do md5sum though
[02:57] <Gmail> do it!!!
[02:57] <Gmail> XLX: d-i crashes if any packages md5sum is cruppted or a driver of hardware needed
[02:58] <Telep> billytwowilly: btw, I only get about 350 fps with fgl_glxgears, is that normal?
[02:58] <Telep> (1500 with glxgears)
[03:00] <billytwowilly> Telep,  if you only get 350 then you don't have the ati drivers working
[03:00] <billytwowilly> 1500 is normalish
[03:01] <MagicFab> ok, some progress...now missing /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build/*.mod :)
[03:01] <vasi> only 87 fps here *grumble* binary only x86 drivers *grumble*
[03:02] <Telep> hmm
[03:02] <Gmail> hehe i am using onbaord gfx
[03:02] <Telep> how do I get 1500 with glxgears, then?
[03:03] <billytwowilly> change the driver listed in XF86Config-4 to whatever it tells you to change it to in the ubuntu.com wiki howto
[03:05] <Telep> billytwowilly: no, I mean I _am_ getting 1500 fps in glxgears, but fgl_glxgears gives only 350. I have changed the driver in XF86Config
[03:05] <billytwowilly> HURRAY! I fixed mplayer!
[03:05] <Telep> ooh
[03:05] <billytwowilly> need mplayer -vo xv -ao esd filename
[03:05] <Tenniru> Hi.
[03:05] <Tenniru> How do I install a patch?
[03:06] <billytwowilly> Telep, oh, fgl_glxgears is fine at 250
[03:06] <Telep> right
[03:06] <bob2> Tenniru: you don't instyall patches, you apply them.  what are you trying to do?
[03:07] <Tenniru> Apply the patch that fixes the iBook sleep problem.
[03:07] <Telep> wtf... "It seems there is no Xvideo support for your video card available"
[03:07] <bob2> Tenniru: you have a g3 ibook?
[03:07] <billytwowilly> you have to again follow the howto I've been pointing you to
[03:07] <Tenniru> Yes.
[03:07] <billytwowilly> you have to add another line to your XF86Config-4 telling it to allow xv overlay
[03:08] <billytwowilly> Option "VideoOverlay" "on"
[03:08] <billytwowilly> Option "OpenGLOverlay" "off"
[03:09] <Telep> in the section "Device" with the fglrx stuff?
[03:09] <billytwowilly> Yah, put it right under the driver
[03:09] <XLX> Gmail: where is the md5sum ? I have mine here
[03:10] <XLX> a491903a2d2197651864dec3836d85e0
[03:10] <Gmail> XLX: did you take a md5sum of the WHOLE cd? or each file?
[03:10] <XLX> whole CD
[03:10] <Tenniru> How do I apply this patch?
[03:11] <Gmail> XLX: look on you closest mirror
[03:11] <XLX> k
[03:11] <Gmail> Tenniru: have patch installed?
[03:11] <billytwowilly> Telep, restart X to make those changes take effect and you should be golden
[03:11] <Telep> ok lets see...
[03:11] <bob2> Tenniru: sudo apt-get install build-essential ; sudo apt-get build-dep pbbuttonsd ; apt-get source pbbuttonsd ; cd the_dir_that_made ; patch -1 < /path/to/the/patch/file ; debuild -uc -us -rfakeroot
[03:11] <bob2> Tenniru: assuming that killing hal actually fixes the problem for you now
[03:12] <Gmail> who here is using gamin?
[03:12] <XLX> exactly the same md5sum...so it's not the CD
[03:12] <Gmail> there are so many program depending on fam
[03:13] <Gmail> XLX: Kamion is the d-i expert and bob2 is also pritty good
[03:13] <XLX> thnx for your time
[03:14] <XLX> bob2: can I abuse you for a minute ?
[03:14] <MagicFab> bob2: /lib/modules/2.xx.xx-xx/modules.usbmap doesn't list the vendor id, so I assume the driver is not compiled
[03:14] <bob2> MagicFab: erm, is the module in /lib/modules/ or not?
[03:14] <bob2> if the module is but the id is missing, then the map can be fixed up
[03:15] <MagicFab> bob2: not sure how I can verify that
[03:15] <bob2> XLX: sure the machine itself is ok?
[03:15] <XLX> yeah
[03:16] <bob2> MagicFab: find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name "*whatever*"
[03:16] <XLX> it boots LIVE Ubunto
[03:16] <bob2> XLX: you've run memtest86 etc?
[03:16] <XLX> nope
[03:16] <bob2> I'd try that
[03:17] <XLX> where do I run this from ?
[03:17] <billytwowilly> Telep, is it working now?
[03:18] <MagicFab> there are 3 atmel modules, including atmel_cs.ko, atmel.ko and atmel_pci.ko
[03:18] <Telep> mplayer still hanging, no change in dvd playback in xine
[03:18] <Telep> :(
[03:19] <billytwowilly> you have to start mplayer with mplayer -vo xv -au esd filename
[03:19] <bob2> XLX: /usr/share/doc/memtest86/README
[03:19] <XLX> I just don't understand why LIVE-Ubuntu worx and when I try to install it to HD it fails after the "Starting syslogd..."
[03:19] <Telep> billytwowilly: "Unknown option on the command line: au"
[03:20] <Tenniru> Oops. Event occured.
[03:20] <Tenniru> So... I installed those things.
[03:20] <Tenniru> Where is the directory I should be looking for/
[03:20] <bob2> XLX: bad ram could do that
[03:21] <XLX> I see
[03:21] <XLX> I'll boot it into LIVE U and do memtest86
[03:21] <bob2> no, you boot into it
[03:21] <Tenniru> Hello?
[03:21] <bob2> Tenniru: in your current working dir
[03:21] <Tenniru> Um... what does that mean?
[03:22] <XLX> that's what I ment
[03:22] <bob2> Tenniru: erm...
[03:22] <XLX> I hope it's ram
[03:23] <bob2> Tenniru: "the source will be in whatever dir you ran those commands in"
[03:23] <Tenniru> Oh.
[03:23] <XLX> cause I'm about to drop-kick this box...
[03:23] <Gmail> will i ever see a ubuntu haldheld device in the next year or so
[03:23] <Tenniru> I did it in Home.
[03:23] <Tenniru> From Root Terminal.
[03:23] <Tenniru> home/myself, anyhow.
[03:23] <Tenniru> So... what there?
[03:23] <bob2> Tenniru: don't run this sort of thigns a root
[03:24] <Tenniru> Oh.
[03:24] <Tenniru> Going into normal Terminal, then.
[03:25] <Tenniru> So, I'm as a normal user in my own directory under Home.
[03:25] <Tenniru> What now?
[03:25] <bob2> 12:11:34           bob2 | Tenniru: sudo apt-get install build-essential ; sudo apt-get build-dep pbbuttonsd ; apt-get source pbbuttonsd ; cd the_dir_that_made ; patch -p1 < /path/to/the/patch/file ; debuild -uc -us -rfakeroot
[03:25] <Tenniru> All of them?
[03:25] <Tenniru> Again?
[03:26] <bob2> run it as your user again, yes
[03:26] <Tenniru> Right...
[03:26] <Tenniru> There. Got it.
[03:26] <Tenniru> Now what?
[03:27] <bob2> all of those commands have executed already?
[03:27] <Tenniru> Yes
[03:27] <bob2> are you sure?
[03:27] <Tenniru> Yes.
[03:28] <amathis> in ubuntu apache2, is the config httpd.conf or apache2.conf?
[03:28] <Tenniru> I now have a source thing...
[03:28] <Tenniru> So, now that I'm in that place...
[03:28] <bob2> Tenniru: um, if they all ran successfully, then you'll have a few .debs in ../
[03:28] <Tenniru> a diff.gz, a tar.gz, and a .dsc.
[03:29] <bob2> no
[03:29] <bob2> .deb
[03:29] <Tenniru> Odd.
[03:29] <Tenniru> What do I do?
[03:29] <bob2> no idea, I can't see what you did
[03:29] <Tenniru> Well, first I did what you said under Root Terminal.
[03:29] <bob2> yeah, yeah
[03:29] <Se7h> can someone help me setting java here?
[03:29] <Tenniru> Then I did sudo apt-get (what you told me to do) under terminal as myself.
[03:30] <Tenniru> When I did, I got some messages saying they were already installed or something.
[03:30] <bob2> this will be amazingly tedious on IRC, but those instructions should workk
[03:30] <bob2> if not, post the full output of everything to the list
[03:30] <Tenniru> All of it?
[03:31] <bob2> do you know how to tell what is an error?
[03:31] <Tenniru> From when I started? Because... for complex reasons, I rebooted again after I did it as Root...
[03:31] <Tenniru> Yes.
[03:31] <Tenniru> Look at this:
[03:31] <bob2> don't paste in here
[03:31] <Tenniru> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 14 not upgraded.
[03:31] <Tenniru> I'm not.
[03:31] <bob2> that's fine
[03:32] <Tenniru> That's what I got when I tried again as user.
[03:32] <Tenniru> So... what now?
[03:32] <mirak_> anyone familiar with OVERNET (its a p2p app)
[03:32] <bob2> the only interesting output would be from patch and debuild
[03:32] <bob2> what did patch print out?
[03:32] <Tenniru> What patch?
[03:32] <Tenniru> Which one...
[03:32] <Tenniru> Sorry, I'm just a Linux newbie.
[03:32] <jay__> how do i use apache2 on ubuntu
[03:33] <bob2> jay__: install it. enjoy!
[03:33] <jay__> i created a virtual directory
[03:33] <jay__> for me
[03:33] <bob2> Tenniru: did you read the entire command I gave you?
[03:33] <jay__> and i cant access it
[03:33] <bob2> jay__: for your user?
[03:33] <Tenniru> Yes...
[03:33] <bob2> Tenniru: one of the commands was "patch".
[03:33] <jay__> isnt it http://localhost/~username/index.html
[03:33] <bob2> jay__: yes
[03:33] <mirak_> bob(lightning_fingers)2
[03:34] <bob2> jay__: what does "ls -ld /home  ~/ ~/public_html" print out?
[03:34] <jay__> do i need a public_html directory in my home directory
[03:34] <bob2> jay__: yes
[03:34] <Tenniru> I got all of them.
[03:34] <bob2> jay__: that's where you put your web stuff
[03:34] <bob2> Tenniru: so what did the "patch" command that you ran print out?
[03:35] <Tenniru> Wait... I patch it NOW?
[03:35] <Tenniru> Oh. I... stand by.
[03:35] <bob2> what?
[03:35] <Tenniru> Sorry. I'm just really tired and forgot to use the patch.
[03:35] <bob2> I've asked you 3 times if you ran all the commands I told you to.
[03:35] <Tenniru> I... didn't see the directory it made.
[03:35] <Burgundavia> hey can anyone help me diagnose a sound problem?
[03:35] <Tenniru> It's there, though...
[03:36] <Tenniru> Let me try.
[03:36] <mirak_> can anyone help me find the files that my p2p app downloaded??
[03:36] <XLX> bob2: the memtest doesn't work on LIVE cd (the command string doesn't exist there...
[03:36] <bob2> XLX: as I said, read the README, please please please please
[03:36] <Tenniru> I'm sorry...
[03:36] <bob2> XLX: as I also said, you have to boot into memtest86
[03:37] <Tenniru> Okay. Patched.
[03:37] <Tenniru> Ing.
[03:37] <XLX> that is what I'm trying to do
[03:37] <Tenniru> I entered the command, and now it's not giving any output.
[03:37] <bob2> XLX: so you read the README?
[03:37] <XLX> there is an option
[03:37] <XLX> but it's blank
[03:37] <bob2> what's blank?
[03:38] <bob2> Tenniru: do you know what ";" means in shell?
[03:38] <XLX> when I press the Memtest option..there is no string options (unlike all the other)
[03:38] <bob2> XLX: what are you talking about?
[03:38] <bob2> in memtest86 after you booted into it?
[03:38] <XLX> sorry
[03:39] <XLX> when I pressed on memtest to boot into it..it takes me straight into GRUB
[03:39] <XLX> and does nothing
[03:39] <XLX> just sits there
[03:40] <bob2> this is after you read the README and configured grub to boot memtest86?
[03:40] <XLX> There was a floppy maker util that I had to run
[03:40] <XLX> but that failed
[03:41] <XLX> I've read the README>Debian
[03:41] <XLX> README.Debian
[03:42] <Tenniru> I'm not getting any output.
[03:42] <bob2> 12:38:13           bob2 | Tenniru: do you know what ";" means in shell?
[03:42] <Tenniru> Um...
[03:42] <mirak_> umm.....guys.....i think i may have an invisible folder...i dont know what to do
[03:42] <Tenniru> No.
[03:42] <bob2> mirak_: there's no such thing as an invisible folder in unix
[03:42] <Tenniru> If it begins with a period, it's invisible, I think...
[03:42] <bob2> mirak_: ones with a leading . won't show up by default in some tools, but you can always find them with "ls -a"
[03:43] <mirak_> bob2, but it is supposed to be there.....and its not
[03:43] <bob2> mirak_: then it's not
[03:43] <mirak_> bob2, it is...it has a " . " how do i get that to show?
[03:43] <bob2> Tenniru: paste the exact commands, including shell prompts that you've run to #flood
[03:43] <bob2> mirak_: 'but you can always find them with "ls -a"'
[03:44] <mirak_> bob2, cant i just make it be visible?
[03:44] <bob2> mirak_: it's not invisible
[03:44] <mirak_> bob2, i dont know how to rename from terminal
[03:44] <Tenniru>  Wait. I did something wrong again.
[03:44] <bob2> mirak_: if you mean "make nautilus show it", ctrl-h
[03:44] <Tenniru> I'm such a moron...
[03:45] <mirak_> bob2, yes...that is what i meant......sorry....and thanks
[03:45] <Tenniru> Patch successful.
[03:45] <Tenniru> Now what?
[03:45] <Tenniru> That debuild thing seems to not exist, if I entered it right.
[03:45] <bob2> ok, so why did you say you had run all of the commands I gave you when you had only run the first 4?
[03:45] <Tenniru> I didn't... see them. I scrolled down too fast.
[03:46] <Tenniru> I never read down, I just assumed and did the apt-getting. I'm sorry.
[03:46] <bob2> run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us"
[03:46] <Tenniru> And the no-output thing was me entering part of the wrong...
[03:46] <Tenniru> Thanks.
[03:46] <Tenniru> I'm sorry.
[03:46] <bob2> in the source directory
[03:47] <bob2> no problem, just try to be a bit more careful, it gets a tad frustrating to have to say the same logn thing more than once ;)
[03:47] <Tenniru> Yeah...
[03:48] <Tenniru> "/usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage: line 175: fakeroot: command not found"
[03:48] <Tenniru> What did I do now?
[03:48] <bob2> heh
[03:48] <bob2> sudo apt-get install fakeroot
[03:48] <bob2> then run it again
[03:48] <Tenniru> Kay.
[03:48] <XLX> make-memtest86+-boot-floppy
[03:48] <Tenniru> Okay... installing Fakeroot.
[03:49] <Tenniru> Installed. Installing other thing.
[03:49] <Tenniru> dpkg-source: failure: create file pbbuttonsd_0.6.2-1ubuntu2.diff.gz: Permission denied
[03:49] <XLX> /usr/bin/make-memtest86+-boot-floppy: line 63: mformat: command not found
[03:49] <bob2> XLX: install mtools
[03:49] <Tenniru> Oh, wait, no.
[03:50] <bob2> Tenniru: you've done some part of this as root
[03:50] <XLX> this is LIVE CD
[03:50] <Tenniru> Yeah, probably install the pbbuttonsd diff.gz as root.
[03:50] <FreddyK> whats the apt-get install command for gtk? saying apt-get install gtk is not a known pkg
[03:51] <bob2> FreddyK: what are you trying to do?
[03:51] <bob2> FreddyK: the ubuntu default desktop has gtk installed already
[03:51] <Nafallo> hi folks
[03:51] <FreddyK> well i attempt to config gnutella and iget this
[03:51] <FreddyK> checking for GTK - version >= 1.2.0... no
[03:51] <FreddyK> *** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found
[03:51] <FreddyK> *** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
[03:51] <FreddyK> *** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the
[03:51] <FreddyK> *** full path to gtk-config.
[03:52] <Nafallo> are there and ides included in warty?
[03:52] <bob2> FreddyK: then you need libgtk2.0-dev
[03:52] <kensai> how can I set up a printer that is in another PC with windows in my network? I am alredy seen that pc and it shared docs but not the printer
[03:52] <bob2> FreddyK: and build-essential
[03:52] <FreddyK> thanks
[03:52] <bob2> FreddyK: but gtk-gnutella is in ubuntu already
[03:52] <FreddyK> it says I already have it insatlled
[03:52] <bob2> FreddyK: oh, you want libgtk1.2-dev
[03:52] <bob2> choudesh[away] : turn that off, now
[03:53] <FreddyK> gnutella is in ubuntu already?
[03:53] <bob2> "gnutella" is not a program
[03:53] <Nafallo> FreddyK: universe probably
[03:53] <bob2> gtk-gnutella is, and it is in universe
[03:53] <MagicFab> I have  a new quesiton - how can I change the name assigned to a newly mounted USB drive ?
[03:53] <bob2> MagicFab: which name?
[03:54] <Telep> Question: how should I go about enabling DMA for the DVD at boot time?
[03:54] <MagicFab> it's being mounted as sda1 , however I don't see that in /etc/fstab
[03:54] <bob2> MagicFab: yes, pmount uses it
[03:54] <Nafallo> Telep: /etc/hdparm.conf
[03:54] <JStrike> FreddyK : Be warned. gtk-gnutella is the single biggest abomination to the HIG in existence
[03:55] <seek187> why doesnt ubuntu have the 1.0rc firefox?
[03:55] <FreddyK> heh
[03:55] <MagicFab> seek187: it does!
[03:55] <Tenniru> What do I do about this root-made-the-diff-thing problem?
[03:55] <Nafallo> seek187: there where problems with it.
[03:55] <MagicFab> seek187: oups - it's 1.0pr
[03:55] <seek187> ohh
[03:55] <bob2> seek187: it was too buggy to go into wart
[03:55] <bob2> seek187: it's in hoary now
[03:55] <seek187> mine says 0.9.3
[03:55] <seek187> oh ok
[03:55] <MagicFab> seek187: wait 'til 1.0, it's around the corner
[03:55] <seek187> yup :)
[03:56] <bob2> Tenniru: didn't you say you ran the whole thing as your user?
[03:56] <Nafallo> MagicFab: it's 0.9.3 :-) reverted from 1.0pr
[03:56] <Tenniru> Well, I did it as Root first...
[03:56] <Tenniru> Would that... wait.
[03:56] <bob2> Tenniru: yes, creating the files as root would fuck things up
[03:56] <bob2> hence why you do all this as your user, in your homedir
[03:56] <MagicFab> bob2: is there any config file for pmount that I can specify the name I want for my device ?
[03:56] <Tenniru> Do I now have to build the whole package as root?
[03:56] <bob2> Tenniru: no
[03:57] <bob2> Tenniru: please just start over and don't ever use the root terminal again
[03:57] <Tenniru> Gladly.
[03:57] <seek187> is there a firewall tool in this dist?
[03:57] <mirak_> whatas the point of root terminal.....isnt it just an accident waiting to happen?
[03:57] <bob2> seek187: lots of them, but no simple "newbies-use-this" one
[03:57] <LinuxJones> hi everybody !!
[03:57] <seek187> ah ok
[03:58] <bob2> seek187: on the other hand, the default desktop has no need for a firewall at all
[03:58] <seek187> really?
[03:58] <seek187> good lol
[03:58] <bob2> seek187: the default install has nothing listening on the internet at all
[03:58] <seek187> ok
[03:58] <mirak_> seek187, no open ports
[03:58] <bob2> s/internet/network/
[03:58] <jgeorgeson> is there a trick to posting to the mailing list forum on ubuntuforums.org? i registered with the site but can't post to that one forum
[03:58] <seek187> good then I won't bother with it then
[03:58] <seek187> for now..
[03:59] <bob2> jgeorgeson: ask the forum owner
[03:59] <bob2> jgeorgeson: or just use the list normally or via gmane.
[03:59] <jgeorgeson> bob2: i did, no reply, thought someone might know here
[03:59] <jgeorgeson> gmane?
[03:59] <bob2> jgeorgeson: www.gman.org
[03:59] <bob2> er, gmane.
 I just logged out for the first time with my new install.. did a restart... and couldn't log in. I had to delete the .ICEauthority file to get logged in. Hmmm.. Ideas?
[04:00] <Tenniru> Urg. I just tried everything again exactly as you told me, except...
[04:00] <bob2> JeffreyB: don't use k3b
[04:01] <Tenniru> Okay. How do I remove everything I just apt-get'd?
[04:01] <JeffreyB> Oh.. How'd you know I installed that... Heee.....
[04:01] <jgeorgeson> JeffreyB: or only use it from the Root Terminal
[04:01] <bob2> JeffreyB: only k3b users complain of that
[04:01] <JeffreyB> Ha Ha... Cool....
[04:01] <JeffreyB> Thanks
[04:01] <bob2> Tenniru: cd ; mkdir tmp ; cd tmp
[04:01] <bob2> Tenniru: then run those commands again
[04:03] <jgeorgeson> are there any acpi gurus here? I could use some help (and I'm not getting replies on the acpi list)
[04:04] <bob2> jgeorgeson: lots of clever folk on the list, ask there once you setup your gmane account :)
[04:05] <Gmail> at the buttom of ubuntu's site it says this page can be used by any browser well in lynx you don't see that img does that elmenate lynx hehe
[04:06] <jay__> anyone know how to give apache2 php4 support in ubuntu
[04:07] <Gmail> jay__: apt-get install libapache2-php4
[04:07] <bob2> read the FAQ
[04:07] <bob2> or install libapache2-mod-php4
[04:07] <mdz> or both!
[04:07] <Gmail> jay__: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4
[04:07] <Gmail> or all 3
[04:07] <sch1fo> guys
[04:08] <sch1fo> im installing ubuntu, and its asking me what type of file system to use
[04:08] <sch1fo> what should i use
[04:08] <Gmail> sch1fo: guys what?
[04:08] <bob2> ext3
[04:08] <sch1fo> what about reiser
[04:08] <bob2> if you don't know, it's a good default
[04:08] <sch1fo> i heard that was the fastest
[04:08] <Gmail> and has the most problem
[04:08] <bob2> i heard gentoo gives you cancer
[04:08] <Gmail> *SSS
[04:08] <sch1fo> k
[04:08] <bob2> just use ext3
[04:08] <jay__> didnt work
[04:08] <sch1fo> ext3 it is
[04:08] <mirak_> i dont think newbs notice the speed diff
[04:08] <bob2> reiser can be faster for some things, but you probably won't notice
[04:09] <Gmail> jay__: sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4
[04:09] <bob2> jay__: "didnt work"?
[04:09] <Tenniru> Horray! Applying the patch now!
[04:09] <sch1fo> should i set the "bootable flag" to on or off?
[04:09] <jgeorgeson> sch1fo: ext3 journals more than some of the other ones, althought I forget what
[04:09] <sch1fo> installing it on a partition with windows on other
[04:09] <bob2> jgeorgeson: not by default
[04:09] <jay__> Failed to start apache :
[04:09] <jay__> /usr/sbin/apache2 -d /etc/apache2 :
[04:09] <jay__> (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::] :80
[04:09] <jay__> no listening sockets available, shutting down
[04:09] <jay__> Unable to open logs
[04:09] <bob2> jgeorgeson: you can enable journal-data if you want
[04:10] <jay__> using webmin
[04:10] <bob2> jay__: please don't use webmin
[04:10] <jgeorgeson> bob2: interesting, that must be why i've never been able to recover from a corrupt ext3fs after a power failuer
[04:10] <sch1fo> should i set the "bootable flag" to on or off?
[04:10] <bob2> jay__: just "sudo invokre-rc.d apache2 restart" after installing the php4 module.
[04:11] <Gmail> jay__: look at vhcs.net
[04:11] <jay__> bob2: sure u spelled that right
[04:11] <jay__> says command not foudn
[04:11] <jay__> found
[04:11] <bob2> jay__: no, but your tab-completion should
[04:11] <Gmail> bob2: why don't we replace webmin with vhcs.net
[04:11] <bob2> sudo invoke-rc.d apache2 restart
[04:11] <Tenniru> Yay. That was it? I can now use sleep mode?
[04:12] <bob2> Tenniru: it built fine?
[04:12] <bob2> Tenniru: and you installed the .debs?
[04:12] <sch1fo> should i set the "bootable flag" to on or off?
[04:12] <jay__> hmmm
[04:12] <bob2> sch1fo: it doesn't matter
[04:12] <Tenniru> Yes.
[04:12] <jay__> firefox still says if i wanna save my php file
[04:12] <bob2> Tenniru: restart pbbuttonsd, should work
[04:13] <bob2> Tenniru: (Assuming the problem was hal)
[04:13] <sch1fo> k
[04:13] <Tenniru> Restart pbbuttonsd?
[04:13] <Tenniru> I enter that command?
[04:14] <jgeorgeson> Tenniru: sudo invoke-rc.d pbbuttonsd restart
[04:14] <jgeorgeson> i'm just asusming there is a /etc/init.d/pbbuttonsd for it
[04:15] <bitWISE> Hi
[04:15] <Tenniru> It did something.
[04:15] <Tenniru> Now I can go into sleep mode and come out?
[04:15] <Tenniru> Yay.
[04:15] <bob2> Tenniru: if the problem was hal, yes
[04:15] <bob2> jgeorgeson: there is
[04:16] <bitWISE> I'm pretty new to linux...i'm trying to install the latest nvidia drivers but i cant get out of xwindows
[04:16] <jay__> bitWise
[04:16] <jay__> init 3
[04:16] <bitWISE> yeah
[04:16] <bob2> jay__: no
[04:17] <bob2> this isn't redhat
[04:17] <jay__> j/k
[04:17] <jay__> sheesh
[04:17] <bob2> bitWISE: are you following the instructions on the wiki?
[04:17] <jay__> :P
[04:17] <bitWISE> ok, ill try to RTFM some more
[04:17] <bob2> bitWISE: you are?
[04:18] <bitWISE> no i didnt check the wiki...just the faq
[04:18] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:18] <bitWISE> ty
[04:19] <bitWISE> im guessing init 3 is like telling someone to format c: in windows?
[04:19] <bob2> it's not bad, it's just pointless
[04:19] <bob2> on redhat it would shut down X
[04:19] <mirak_> dir /v/s/q
[04:19] <mirak_> i think thats it
[04:20] <jay__> is there a place on ubuntu website to show me how to setup apache2 correctly
[04:20] <kensai> hwat is linuxtoday.com made for?
[04:20] <bob2> kensai: trolling
[04:20] <kensai> sorry for being off-opic
[04:21] <bob2> jay__: install it should be enough
[04:21] <Tenniru> Augh.
[04:21] <Tenniru> It didn't work.
[04:21] <kensai> cause I found in distrowatch.com they say we should boycott them
[04:21] <Tenniru> AirPort tries to establish a link, I'm told it finished, but then...
[04:21] <Tenniru> Nothing. I'm just on a command-line that didn't do a thing.
[04:21] <jay__> bob2: i tried to open a php file on firefox its asking where do i wanna save it
[04:21] <bob2> jay__: did you restart apache?
[04:22] <kensai> because linuxtoday.com is sponsored by Microsoft cor.
[04:22] <jay__> with the invoke command yes
[04:22] <bob2> kensai: so is slashdot
[04:22] <bitWISE> ok so now i should just reboot my machine after enabling the drivers?
[04:22] <bob2> Tenniru: what was your original problem?
[04:22] <bob2> bitWISE: you don't need to reboot
[04:22] <bob2> jay__: is this web server acciesble from the internet?
[04:22] <Tenniru> The same.
[04:22] <Tenniru> This never fixed it.
[04:22] <jay__> not yet: bob2
[04:22] <jay__> all internal
[04:22] <Tenniru> I still can't go into sleep mode.
[04:23] <kensai> but slashdot doesn't say it is Linux exclusive
[04:23] <Tenniru> Without dying like it did.
[04:23] <bob2> Tenniru: no, the original problem
[04:23] <Tenniru> That was it.
[04:23] <Tenniru> Unchanged.
[04:23] <bob2> Tenniru: is your problem "I can't put it to sleep"?
[04:23] <Tenniru> No, it was it won't come out FROM sleep.
[04:23] <bob2> jay__: look in /var/log/apache2/error.log, does it mention php?
[04:24] <tux_> maybe some has asked this before...
[04:24] <Tenniru> It sleeps, but then it doesn't wake up after establishing an AirPort link.
[04:24] <bitWISE> sounds like the php engine isnt loaded
[04:24] <tux_> where can i get a more current firefox for ubuntu?
[04:24] <Tenniru> I got the patch file from the Bugzilla that reported that very problem.
[04:24] <bob2> Tenniru: you read the eholw bug report and tried killing hal, unloading airport, etc?
[04:24] <bob2> tux_: it's in hoary
[04:24] <jay__> [Thu Nov 04 22:23:53 2004]  [notice]  child pid 5155 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) <--- last 5 entries
[04:24] <tux_> cool
[04:24] <tux_> thks
[04:24] <bob2> tux_: if you can't deal with hoary breaking, you can either download a tarball from mozilla.org or wait 5 months
[04:24] <mirak_> tux_, mozilla.org
[04:25] <bob2> jay__: haha
[04:25] <stratking> im sure this has been answered before but i can't find the answer...
[04:25] <bob2> jay__: quality php
[04:25] <bob2> jay__: do you have php4-imap installed?
[04:25] <stratking> i have a dell laptop and whenever i try to reboot or logout or shutdown, the system just hangs
[04:25] <seek187> whats hoary?
[04:25] <stratking> anyone know what might be going on?
[04:25] <tux_> mirak_, i knew about that one
[04:25] <jay__> says php4-imap is not available
[04:25] <tux_> thks
[04:25] <seek187> is that like sid?
[04:25] <bob2> seek187: the next release of ubuntu,. under development now
[04:25] <mirak_> seek187, next release
[04:25] <Tenniru> Hey... would there be any way to switch to KDE?
[04:25] <seek187> ohhh
[04:25] <bob2> jay__: I asked you if you had it, I didn't say you should install it.
[04:25] <bob2> Tenniru: apt-get install kde
[04:26] <Tenniru> Just, like, install it and have Ubuntu boot into it instead of GNOME?
[04:26] <jay__> o then no
[04:26] <Tenniru> That'd do it?
[04:26] <bob2> Tenniru: you didn't answer my question.
[04:26] <seek187> is anyone running it ? or is it really unstable?
[04:26] <sch1fo> guys, how can i change what the default OS that grub boots to ?
[04:26] <jgeorgeson> Tenniru: kde is in universe, but the current packaging isn't very good, imo
[04:26] <Tenniru> Yes I did.
[04:26] <mirak_> bob2, i really try to answer these simple ones....but you always beat me to it
[04:26] <bob2> seek187: it's not too bad, but you need to be able to deal with it when it does break
[04:26] <seek187> yeah
[04:26] <Tenniru> The problem I had was it wouldn't WAKE UP.
[04:26] <bob2> Tenniru: duh
[04:26] <bob2> Tenniru: 13:24:32           bob2 | Tenniru: you read the eholw bug report and tried killing hal, unloading airport, etc?
[04:26] <bob2> Tenniru: did you try those things or not?
[04:26] <Tenniru> Going to sleep was just fine, but waking up it dies.
[04:27] <Tenniru> I haven't done these.
[04:27] <bob2> Tenniru: yes, I know, I've read you say that 4 times now
[04:27] <Tenniru> Oh. I never saw that..
[04:27] <dopey> seek187: i'd suggest using grub's 'saved' option.
[04:27] <Tenniru> Sorry. Um...
[04:27] <bob2> Tenniru: so, you didn't read the bug report?
[04:27] <Tenniru> How do I do these things, again?
[04:27] <Tenniru> I read it...
[04:27] <Tenniru> It said th... wait.
[04:27] <Tenniru> I must have jumped to the patch.
[04:27] <bob2> Tenniru: no, you didn't, the bug report mentioned both those as possible solutions
[04:27] <bob2> yes.
[04:27] <bob2> the patch only helps if killing hal does
[04:27] <Tenniru> Oh.
[04:27] <bob2> which I also asked you about earlier
[04:27] <mirak_> hahaha
[04:28] <Tenniru> I wasn't aware of something called HAL at all.
[04:28] <Tenniru> Or hal, or whatever.
[04:28] <bob2> seek187: lots of shiney new toys, tho ;)
[04:28] <Tenniru> Do I just enter the command "kill hal"?
[04:28] <seek187> heh yeah I bet :)
[04:28] <bob2> no
[04:29] <Tenniru> Ouch.
[04:29] <bob2> I'm not sure how you kill hal
[04:29] <bob2> well, the proper way
[04:29] <bob2> "sudo kill hald" will work
[04:29] <bob2> try that and then see if it wakes up
[04:29] <bob2> if not, then try that and removing the airport module
[04:30] <Tenniru> ERROR: garbage process ID "hald".
[04:30] <bob2> pkill, not kill
[04:30] <jgeorgeson> sudo kill `pidof hald`
[04:30] <Tenniru> Oh.
[04:30] <jay__> bah
[04:31] <Tenniru> Done.
[04:31] <Tenniru> Now I just try putting it on sleep...
[04:31] <jay__> gonna do an old fashioned reboot
[04:31] <bob2> jay__: that won't help
[04:31] <bob2> jay__: well, it's highly unlikely to
[04:31] <Tenniru> YES!
[04:31] <Tenniru> It works!
[04:31] <bob2> jay__: file a bug on libapache2-mod-php4
[04:31] <Tenniru> Thank you, Bob. You have the patience of a saint.
[04:31] <bob2> the patch should have worked then
[04:32] <bob2> since all it did is kill hal
[04:32] <bob2> anyway, when sleep on my ibook is likely to work, I'll rebuild pbbuttonsd with the and put it up somewhere
[04:32] <jay__> i wish ubuntu would work on my pbook
[04:33] <Tenniru> Well, thanks.
[04:33] <Tenniru> Bye.
[04:33] <bob2> it works on all powerbooks, afaik
[04:33] <bob2> well, all new-world ones
[04:33] <jay__> not my 17ih
[04:33] <jay__> in
[04:33] <jay__> just locks up after 2-3min
[04:33] <bob2> 17" al or ti?
[04:33] <bob2> I've seen one of the people I work with running ubuntu on theirs
[04:33] <jay__> ti
[04:34] <bob2> is the fan module loaded?
[04:34] <jay__> if the module loads by default then yes
[04:34] <jay__> which module
[04:34] <bob2> I don't know if it does
[04:36] <jay__> whats the name of the module
[04:36] <bob2> I don't know
[04:36] <jay__> will give ubuntu another shot if thats the problem
[04:36] <bob2> what is the number of the bug you filed?
[04:36] <bitWISE> ok im back...still having problems...anyone able get quake 3 running?
[04:37] <jay__> who me?
[04:37] <jay__> havent done it
[04:37] <bob2> jay__: please file one or ask on the list
[04:38] <Burgundavia> how do I turn off emacs keybindings?
[04:38] <tux_> jay__: that's how opensource gets better
[04:38] <bob2> Burgundavia: turn them off?  or you mean the emacs-style ones in gnome?
[04:38] <MagicFab> My ubuntu install is in french. Can I easily change this to english ?
[04:38] <MagicFab> Swtich back and forth ?
[04:39] <Burgundavia> bob2: Yes, it is supposed to be in keyboard-shortcuts but it is not
[04:39] <bob2> it's in gconf now
[04:39] <bob2> not sure where, tell me if you find it
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> MagicFab: can't you do that on the login screen?
[04:40] <MagicFab> I mean, permanently
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> ah
[04:40] <XLX> bob2: I think 1 stick of RAM is Fuxed in my box
[04:40] <MagicFab> then be able to go back to fr occasionally
[04:43] <bitWISE> hey im running dual celeron 366s. i should be running the 686smp kernel right?
[04:43] <bob2> you can if you want
[04:45] <bitWISE> can synaptic update glibc as well? what tree is it under if so?
[04:45] <bob2> it can
[04:45] <bob2> what are you trying to do?
[04:45] <toothpick> what do I apt-get install so I can compile gimp 2.2?
[04:45] <bob2> toothpick: no, ubuntu does not have it either
[04:46] <bob2> toothpick: apt-get build-dep gimp
[04:46] <Pizbit> toothpick: Why do you want to compile it?
[04:46] <bitWISE> i saw something saying there is an issue with nivdia drivers and glibc2.3 causing q3 to crash during vid_restart
[04:46] <toothpick> Cause I downloaded the .gz of the testing version.
[04:46] <Pizbit> Oh, heh, the .2 heh
[04:46] <bob2> Pizbit: because it's not packaged because it doesn't exist yet
[04:46] <bob2> Burgundavia: ask nvidia to fix it
[04:46] <bob2> bitWISE: ^
[04:46] <bob2> bitWISE: you cannot downgrade glibc
[04:47] <Safari_Al> man.  getting autoinstall to work on ubuntu is a real battle.
[04:47] <bitWISE> ok, i thought maybe 2.3 wasnt the newest or something....well that sucks
[04:49] <sch1fo> guys
[04:49] <sch1fo> i just installed ubuntu
[04:49] <sch1fo> and when it boots, i just get a black screen
[04:49] <sch1fo> right after starting gnome display manager
[04:50] <sch1fo> this on a d800 dell laptop
[04:50] <bob2> are you using only Free drivers?
[04:50] <sch1fo> not using anything
[04:50] <sch1fo> just installed ubuntu
[04:50] <sch1fo> detected everything itself
[04:50] <bob2> ask on the user list
[04:50] <sch1fo> why
[04:51] <bob2> because you're infintely more likely to get an answer
[04:51] <Pizbit> Because the user-list is well populated with knowledgable people;)
[04:51] <sch1fo> why should i keep up with this and not simply install fedora instead
[04:51] <sch1fo> thats what im asking guys
[04:51] <bob2> sch1fo: do whatever you want
[04:51] <sch1fo> what would you do
[04:51] <bob2> I'd ask on the user list
[04:51] <sch1fo> takes time to get a reply though
[04:51] <bob2> of course
[04:52] <Pizbit> The user list is actually rather useful
[04:52] <bob2> choudesh[away] : turn that off
[04:53] <sch1fo> how useful can it be
[04:53] <sch1fo> i cant even boot up
[04:53] <toothpick> wouldn't apt-get install build-essential get me all I need to compile stuff?
[04:53] <bob2> choudesh[away] : it's extremely annoying and I've asked you politely 3 times now
[04:53] <bob2> toothpick: no
[04:53] <bob2> toothpick: it gets you enough to compile "hello, world" in C or C++
[04:53] <bob2> toothpick: more complicated programs require more libraries, hence my suggestion
[04:54] <Pizbit> sch1fo: No grub stuff showing?
[04:55] <sch1fo> sure does show
[04:56] <sch1fo> select ubuntu, but just stops after "starting gnome display manager"
[04:56] <sch1fo> black screen
[04:56] <Pizbit> Tried the rescue mode?
[04:56] <sch1fo> press the off button on my laptop, then starts to reboot (unloading crap)
[04:56] <sch1fo> pizbit, im not a linux expert
[04:56] <Pizbit> sch1fo: Hit ESC when the grub stuff first appears, but it sounds like it's just a mis-configured X, no biggy really
[04:57] <sch1fo> then what
[04:58] <XLX> reconfigure X
[04:58] <sch1fo> i dont even know how
[04:59] <Pizbit> sch1fo: I'm pointing out that it's most likely not as big a problem as you're thinking, email the user list witht he specs of your laptop, make and model and that after the ""starting gnome display manager" the screen stays black
[05:01] <Gmail> yay java is working
[05:02] <XLX> sch1fo:  did you try a LIVE CD ?
[05:04] <sch1fo> no
[05:05] <XLX> I just found out that my RAM is shit
[05:05] <toothpick> thanks for the help gnight all
[05:05] <XLX> so I couldn't even install it
[05:05] <tux_> guys, i have a LUG member who can't get in to X on his laptop... its a new dell (aug 2004)
[05:05] <tux_> issues with Vert & Horiz
[05:05] <XLX> LIVE CD ran just fine though
[05:05] <Pizbit> tux_: Tried setting them manually in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ?
[05:06] <Gmail> a message from distrowatch
[05:06] <Gmail> We urge our visitors to boycott LINUXTODAY.COM. LINUXTODAY.COM is currently sponsored by Microsoft Corporation and displays anti-Linux messages on its web site. We consider this practice immoral and hypocritical for a web site that acts as a Linux advocacy resource.
[05:06] <Gmail> PLEASE DO NOT VISIT LINUXTODAY.COM.
[05:06] <Pizbit> Gmail: And so everyone clicks?
[05:06] <bob2> Gmail: chill out
[05:06] <bob2> also, distrowatch is one to be talking
[05:06] <bob2> and stop obsessing over such a pointless website
[05:06] <tux_> Pizbit, i have not touched it ...yet
[05:06] <tux_> told him how
[05:06] <Safari_Al> jdub, autoinstall is full of bugs.  time for some fai love I think.
[05:06] <tux_> he said he did
[05:07] <tux_> weekend work
[05:07] <Pizbit> Gmail: Ads are often served up by an ad company and they have little control over what ads are placed
[05:07] <Gmail> it not my caps
[05:07] <Pizbit> Just laugh and enjoy the irony.
[05:07] <tux_> Gmail, if they pay the bills...
[05:07] <tux_> yea, laugh
[05:08] <Gmail> i just copypasted what distrowatch said they typed it in caps
[05:08] <tux_> taking even more Cash from billygatz
[05:09] <Pizbit> tux_: I'm not sure he understands what's so amusing.
[05:09] <Gmail> Pizbit: google's adsence you can chose to blocks what ads get shown on your site so do a few 10000 other ad companies
[05:10] <tux_> Pizbit, yea
[05:10] <tux_> bit out there for him
[05:11] <Gmail> ohh google is offering $50 for free of advertisinf on adwords so time to start putting up those ubuntu ads for free
[05:12] <sch1fo> k
[05:12] <MagicFab> bob2: found out how to change the language
[05:12] <MagicFab> when I close my session, the login screen has an option for languages
[05:13] <MagicFab> If I choose "POSIX/English", I get a prompt asking if I want to make this choice permanent
[05:13] <MagicFab> French remains available
[05:15] <tux_> thought so
[05:16] <tux_> glad you found it
[05:16] <seek187> is the Java VM in the repository?
[05:16] <XLX> bob2: Memtest86 is taking a while...but I already see 200,000 errors..hehe on one of the sticks of RAM
[05:16] <tux_> ouch
[05:16] <bob2> seek187: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:17] <XLX> ..and the number is growing :)
[05:17] <seek187> thanks
[05:18] <Pizbit> XLX: Nasty
[05:24] <sch1fo> screw this guys, im going back to fedora
[05:24] <nomasteryoda> ouchie schweeb_
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> ouchie sch1fo
[05:25] <hypa7ia> ya can't win em all
[05:25] <bob2> meh
[05:25] <hypa7ia> well, right away in any event :-)
[05:25] <Pizbit> At least he emailed the list
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> he'll be back
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[05:25] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:26] <Pizbit> hypa7ia: Just as long as you realise I'm your boss.
[05:26] <Gmail> seek187: i install java using the easier apt-get methord it says unless you want a newer version
[05:26] <hypa7ia> suuure Pizbit
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> i can play bzflag straight up on ubuntu....whereas on suse or mandrake  (same system) it just crawls
[05:27] <hypa7ia> worldwide 2600 meets tomorrow, woot.
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> nice
[05:28] <XLX> Ubuntu Live was the only distro that booted up with my shitty RAM
[05:28] <tux_> lol
[05:28] <hypa7ia> should be fun.  we found wifi at the last meet.  *fires up kismet*
[05:28] <hypa7ia> ok so the node wasn't even wepped :-p
[05:28] <tux_> =)
[05:29] <seek187> Gmail,  I tried to but it has a error saying it depends on a differnt file that isnt there
[05:29] <tux_> so where is this meet
[05:29] <Pizbit> XLX: It's all an illusion.
[05:29] <Pizbit> seek187: Have you enabled universe?
[05:29] <hypa7ia> tux_: what city?
[05:29] <XLX> I'm running memtest
[05:29] <Pizbit> Probably multiverse too
[05:29] <seek187> Pizbit, yup
[05:29] <tux_> ya
[05:29] <XLX> and my stick of ram is crap
[05:29] <seek187> I have them all enabled
[05:30] <XLX> will I have to recompile the kernel to get support for dual procs ?
[05:31] <bob2> install one of the smp packages
[05:31] <bob2> apt-cache search linux-image smp
[05:31] <XLX> ok
[05:31] <XLX> after the install
[05:31] <bob2> yes
[05:32] <XLX> wouldn't it be better to just recompile though ?
[05:32] <Gmail> seek187: yea i got that error to but search for j2 and java and install java-package
[05:32] <seek187> o
[05:32] <seek187> ok
[05:35] <seek187> Gmail, do I install the blackdownj2re thing?
[05:37] <XLX> well...thnx for all the pointers ...
[05:37] <seek187> sigh, I dont know it won't let me install any of them
[05:37] <XLX> nite
[05:38] <Gmail> seek187: no
[05:38] <Gmail> it say it uninstallble
[05:39] <seek187> yea
[05:39] <Gmail> just any thing you think is right is what you
[05:39] <Gmail> don't d/l the docs
[05:39] <Gmail> or src
[05:39] <Gmail> the doc stuff up.... already a bug reported
[05:40] <seek187> yeah it wont let me install any of them the sunj2re1.4 1.5 ect..
[05:40] <Gmail> don't install anything sun*
[05:40] <seek187> ok lol
[05:41] <seek187> what package do i install?
[05:41] <seek187> I have java-package installed\
[05:42] <Gmail> anything java* or j2* that you think is right
[05:42] <seek187> ohhhh
[05:42] <seek187> ok I see I think
[05:43] <argo_> Can anybody help with "apt" configuration ?
[05:43] <seek187> how about the sdkS?
[05:44] <Gmail> it you want to make java program yes
[05:44] <seek187> k
[05:44] <seek187> thx
[05:44] <Gmail> seek187: ask me on howto add the plug into firefox if you want me to tell ya
[05:45] <seek187> heh, that was going to be my next question
[05:45] <billytwowilly> gaim keeps using gedit to open webpages for mail reading in hotmail. How do I change this to firefox?
[05:47] <seek187> k java is installed now
[05:47] <tux_> cool
[05:48] <Gmail> ok do the following
[05:48] <seek187> ok
[05:48] <Gmail> su
[05:48] <Gmail>  cd /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[05:49] <Gmail> ln -sf /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[05:49] <seek187> sudo?
[05:49] <Gmail> restart firefox or it will crash
[05:49] <Gmail> seek187: no add a root passwd its a lot easier
[05:50] <seek187> can I just do sudo -s?
[05:50] <Gmail> sudo passwd root
[05:50] <seek187> k
[05:50] <Gmail> seek187: you can but i don't support sudo
[05:51] <seek187> ok
[05:51] <seek187> hmm didnt work
[05:51] <Gmail> what?
[05:51] <Gmail> sudo root passwd ?
[05:52] <seek187> no the ln -sf /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[05:52] <Gmail> i mean
[05:52] <Gmail> 0_0
[05:52] <Gmail> what error?
[05:52] <tux_> version?
[05:52] <Gmail> file not fund?
[05:52] <tux_> 1.4?
[05:52] <seek187> no error just no java in firefox
[05:52] <Gmail> tux_: i am hel[ing him
[05:52] <Gmail> seek187: restart firefox
[05:52] <tux_> i know
[05:52] <bob2> choudesh[away] : turn that off
[05:53] <bob2> jesus christ.
[05:53] <seek187> I did
[05:53] <tux_> do about:plugins in firefox address bar
[05:53] <seek187> k
[05:53] <Gmail> well it works for me
[05:53] <seek187> yeah its not there
[05:54] <tux_> be sure to check the version
[05:55] <Gmail> seek187: its not at the buttom
[05:55] <seek187> how do I check the version
[05:55] <Gmail> how did you install firefox?
[05:55] <Gmail> did you install the ubuntu version or off mozilla.org?
[05:55] <xE_Neon> Hi all
[05:55] <seek187> ubuntu version
[05:56] <Pizbit> seek187: Why the f in ln ?
[05:56] <Pizbit> And you were in the firefox plugins dir when you did it right?
[05:57] <seek187> I dont know why the f was there I just typed what he said
[05:57] <Gmail> seek187: opp yea take out the f
[05:57] <seek187> and yeah I am in there
[05:58] <seek187> ok
[05:58] <Gmail> i just cp the commands i used
[05:58] <Gmail> and i didn't do the same way as you
[05:59] <seek187> hmmm still doesnt work tho
[05:59] <seek187> libjavaplugin_oji.so is red in my comsole in the plugins folder if that means anything
[05:59] <seek187> console*
[06:00] <lrn> hey dead mates
[06:00] <tux_> =)
[06:00] <lrn> I would like to add good sources for my ubuntu
[06:00] <Pizbit> seek187: That means it's a dead link
[06:00] <lrn> dead=dear!
[06:00] <lrn> sorry!
[06:00] <seek187> ah
[06:00] <seek187> well thats not good
[06:00] <Pizbit> Yeah, delete it and try the symlink again after checking the path
[06:00] <tux_> seek187: look for the folder where java actually is installed
[06:01] <lrn> and where can i change the GRUB boot loader
[06:03] <lrn> and where can i change the GRUB boot loader
[06:03] <seek187> hmm I have no j2 or java folders at all in /usr/lib but its there in /usr/bin/java
[06:04] <tux_> ok
[06:04] <tux_> good
[06:04] <Gmail> seek187: are you sing i386
[06:04] <tux_> you can just do the link from there
[06:04] <seek187> oh ok
[06:04] <Gmail> i gave you the link for i386
[06:04] <tux_> sorry i was not clear on version statement
[06:05] <tux_> i've installed java like 100 times
[06:05] <seek187> how am I supposed to link is from there?
[06:05] <seek187> there is no plugin file
[06:07] <seek187> I have no clue I just installed it via Synaptic
[06:07] <xE_Neon> firefox 0.10+ could automatic download & install plugins
[06:08] <lrn> and where can i change the GRUB boot loader
[06:08] <hypa7ia> lrn: what changes do you want to make?  i think its grub.conf
[06:08] <lrn> but where is the file?
[06:08] <hypa7ia> but please don't repaste questions like that :-)
[06:08] <hypa7ia> somewhere in /etc?
[06:08] <xE_Neon> at /boot/grub/grub.conf
[06:09] <lrn> nop
[06:09] <xE_Neon> you can "nano -w" or "vi" it
[06:09] <lrn> its in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:09] <xE_Neon> o ,it is also
[06:10] <xE_Neon> menu.lst=grub.conf
[06:10] <lrn> and another thing
[06:10] <Gmail> seek187: are you using a i386?
[06:10] <seek187> yes
[06:10] <lrn> I want to add good ubuntu sources
[06:11] <lrn> where can i find them?
[06:11] <seek187> I think I know whats wrong one sec
[06:11] <xE_Neon> lrn
[06:11] <seek187> I think I install the wrong thing...
[06:11] <xE_Neon> you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:11] <lrn> i know
[06:11] <lrn> i removed the # from the sources
[06:11] <lrn> but i want more
[06:12] <seek187> lrn,  do you have multiverse?
[06:12] <tux_> lrn, they are in the wiki
[06:12] <lrn> seek187 I don`t know,how can i check?
[06:13] <tux_> less /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:13] <xE_Neon> if you use chinese language,you can add sources as sources.list at Hiweed-debian
[06:13] <seek187> add multiverse next to universe like 'universe multiverse'
[06:13] <seek187> in sources.list
[06:14] <xE_Neon> sid main
[06:14] <tux_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543/view?searchterm=multiverse
[06:14] <xE_Neon> who is developer of ubuntu here?
[06:15] <seek187> ugh now the java licence agreement is stuck in synaptic
[06:15] <tux_> ack
[06:16] <lamont> xE_Neon: what did you need?
[06:17] <xE_Neon> if I download from offer sources ,it's so slow
[06:17] <xE_Neon> I'm in ShangHai at Chinese
[06:18] <xE_Neon> We develop a debian-like distro,it's named Hiweed-Debian
[06:20] <xE_Neon> we want stady ubuntu,and rebuild hiweed-debian
[06:21] <xE_Neon> I'm also a menber of gnome-cn team
[06:21] <Se7h> nable to exec ./Netcount: Permission denied
[06:21] <Se7h> why is this ?
[06:21] <Se7h> i cant run binaries
[06:21] <Lowry> hi
[06:21] <niran> chmod a+x Netcount
[06:22] <ctd> chmod a+x Netcount
[06:22] <ctd> niran: Beat me :(
[06:22] <niran> :)
[06:22] <Lowry> Is there a ppc channel?
[06:22] <xE_Neon> only chmod u+x
[06:22] <seek187> ugh there now I have the j2re folder in lib
[06:22] <Se7h> unable to exec ./Netcount: Permission denied
[06:22] <xE_Neon> su - root
[06:23] <xE_Neon> or sudo it
[06:23] <Se7h> yeah
[06:23] <Se7h> i did it
[06:23] <Se7h> but it wont run
[06:23] <Se7h> o.0
[06:23] <xE_Neon> ka ka ka ^
[06:23] <ctd> Lowry: Isn't #ubuntu ggod enough for you, think you need a ppc channel too, aye.
[06:24] <hhkinc> http://www.hhkinc.com/n.htm
[06:25] <regeya> guh.
[06:25] <niran> quick question
[06:25] <niran> my dates show up as dd/mm/yy
[06:25] <niran> in the clock and evolution
[06:25] <niran> anyone know how to change it?
[06:25] <Lowry> Just having some panther to ubuntu ethernet problems
[06:25] <niran> my locale is US and everything
[06:26] <ctd> Lowry: I can try helping you
[06:26] <Lowry> My ethernet card is now active on my powerbook
[06:26] <xE_Neon> what locale are you want change?
[06:26] <Lowry> Thi is looking better
[06:27] <niran> i don't want to change the locale, it's already correct
[06:27] <xE_Neon> wa~ powerbook
[06:27] <niran> but the date format is wrong for some reason
[06:27] <regeya> niran wants the date to display differently
[06:27] <tux_> seek187, so is the plugin folder there now?
[06:27] <Lowry> G4 to ppc ubuntu on a powerbook
[06:27] <regeya> that might be handy to know (I don't care, so I never bothered; 4 Nov is readable to me)
[06:27] <xE_Neon> niran,do you use "date ddmmyy"?
[06:28] <seek187> yeah but it still doesnt work after I linked it grr
[06:29] <niran> i haven't tried that
[06:29] <seek187> I have it linked to javaplugin_oji.so for java 1.3 but doesnt work
[06:29] <xE_Neon> I hope bay a PowerBook,bug I have no maney
[06:29] <niran> lemme read the date man page really quick
[06:29] <xE_Neon> 555~
[06:30] <niran> ok when i type date -u, it prints the date in the right order
[06:31] <xE_Neon> ln -sf /usr/share/timezone/xxxx /etc/localtime
[06:31] <hhkinc> http://www.hhkinc.com/n.htm
[06:31] <hhkinc> http://www.hhkinc.com/n.htm
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> seek187: post file path here
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> for java plugin
[06:32] <seek187> ln -s /usr/lib/j2se/1.3/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/javaplugin_oji.so
[06:33] <niran> xE_Neon: what will that do?
[06:33] <seek187> thats what I did
[06:33] <tux_> while in the firefox plugin folder?
[06:33] <seek187> right..
[06:33] <seek187> its in there with the flah plugin I have
[06:33] <seek187> flash*
[06:33] <seek187> and it is not a dead link
[06:34] <xE_Neon> it will set your timezone
[06:34] <yohannes> can anyone recommend a p2p app for linux?
[06:34] <seek187> and I restarted firefox
[06:34] <Tomcat_> yohannes: Azureus
[06:34] <guinness> tons of emule clones
[06:34] <tux_> seek187, do you have regular mozilla installed
[06:34] <guinness> if thats the way you swing
[06:34] <xE_Neon> How can I build a Aqua desktop on ubuntu?
[06:34] <seek187> no
[06:34] <yohannes> tomcat: thanks
[06:34] <guinness> anyone have the sound in ut2004 working?
[06:34] <xE_Neon> who tried ?
[06:34] <seek187> I could download it tho I guess
[06:35] <yohannes> how about similar app like shareaza?
[06:35] <niran> xE_Neon: hmm... but my timezone is already set in gnome
[06:35] <tux_> under /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins i see lots of plugins
[06:35] <Pakal> why mozilla-firefox is 0.9?  last time that I installed was 1.0
[06:35] <seek187> I put it in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[06:35] <[Siff] > yohannes: somebody mentioned 'apollon' earlier
[06:35] <tux_> yea
[06:35] <tux_> that should work
[06:36] <seek187> hmm
[06:36] <nomasteryoda> let me look on my suse box
[06:36] <Pakal> yohannes: try xMule
[06:36] <guinness> anyone play ut2004?
[06:36] <xE_Neon> let me think
[06:36] <nomasteryoda> tried
[06:36] <Pizbit> Pakal: Apparently they found it too buggy
[06:36] <nomasteryoda> got killed
[06:36] <xE_Neon> ...
[06:36] <nomasteryoda> =)
[06:36] <nomasteryoda> *(
[06:36] <Pakal> guinness: kernel version?
[06:36] <yohannes> thanks guys
[06:36] <guinness> h/o
[06:37] <guinness> 2.6.8.1-13
[06:37] <Pakal> insert your module with modconf
[06:37] <guinness> module?
[06:37] <Lowry> if you like ut2004 try the ww2 red orchestra tc
[06:37] <Pakal> apt-get install modconf
[06:38] <guinness> red orch is ok...
[06:38] <Gmail> ohlala bug vil has been hit
[06:38] <tux_> seek187, is there an ns610 folder under java plugin folder
[06:39] <hhkinc> http://www.hhkinc.com/n.htm
[06:39] <seek187> netscape6 yeah
[06:39] <tux_> ok
[06:39] <tux_> try using that one in the path
[06:39] <seek187> ok
[06:40] <Gmail> seek187: are you using firefox 1rc1?
[06:40] <Gmail> i am
[06:40] <tux_> here too
[06:40] <Gmail> that might be the reason for the path being wrong
[06:41] <seek187> Im using the one that came with ubuntu
[06:42] <seek187> 9.3 0.9.3
[06:42] <seek187> opps
[06:42] <tux_> yeah, cd into the folder and confirm the plugin locaitons
[06:42] <tux_> in java
[06:42] <[Siff] > does a default ubuntu install have support for the NTFS fs?
[06:42] <seek187> that other plugin doesnt work either
[06:42] <tux_> then do the link
[06:42] <seek187> I did
[06:42] <Gmail> seek187: ok upgrade
[06:42] <niran> [Siff] : yes
[06:42] <Gmail> you know howto?
[06:42] <tux_> seek187, i'm installing blackdown verison
[06:42] <seek187> lol nope\
[06:42] <Gmail> it in hoary
[06:43] <seek187> ok
[06:43] <xE_Neon> apt-get upgrade
[06:43] <Gmail> wait
[06:43] <Gmail> xE_Neon: NO!
[06:43] <seek187> lol
[06:43] <xE_Neon> lol
[06:43] <guinness> does anyone have ut2004 working correctly? i cant get sound
[06:43] <Gmail> xE_Neon: he doesn't want a stuffed system
[06:43] <tux_> LOL
[06:43] <xE_Neon> oh
[06:43] <tux_> yea
[06:43] <xE_Neon> sorry
[06:44] <Gmail> seek187: in synaptic goto settings > responsory change warty to haory
[06:44] <seek187> k
[06:44] <[Siff] > niran: so i can't just mnt it and it should read without any patching?
[06:44] <[Siff] > *can
[06:44] <[Siff] > sorry
[06:44] <Gmail> then upgrade firefox ONLY after doing a refresh
[06:44] <seek187> in all the mirrors?
[06:44] <Gmail> then swap back to warty
[06:45] <Gmail> seek187: yes
[06:45] <seek187> ok
[06:45] <matty> ok this is a dumb question, but how do I register a nickname on freenode?
[06:45] <tux_> seek187, look at this guide too
[06:45] <tux_> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Java
[06:45] <Gmail> and refresh after
[06:45] <Gmail> tux_: he has
[06:45] <tux_> ok
[06:46] <Gmail> tux_: bob2 told him first thing
[06:46] <tux_> k
[06:47] <hypa7ia> matty: /msg Nickserv help
[06:47] <seek187> hmmm is it spelled haory?
[06:47] <hypa7ia> hoary
[06:48] <hypa7ia> means frosty :-)
[06:48] <matty> thanks
[06:48] <seek187> thanks :)
[06:49] <hypa7ia> anyone know how out-of-date the blackdown java debs are?
[06:49] <tux_> seek187, i just installed the Blackdown installer and it installed fine
[06:49] <Cred> Morning people
[06:49] <hypa7ia> mornin' Cred :-)
[06:50] <tux_> ~1am here
[06:50] <hypa7ia> here too
[06:50] <Cred> hypa7ia, ah.. Java. I was going to install it but since it's nonfree.. ;)
[06:50] <seek187> ok its upgrading
[06:50] <hypa7ia> boo nonfree!
[06:50] <tux_> cool
[06:50] <Cred> The original BitTorrent sucks. Yesterday it took over 4h to download 350 while at the time I had uploded well over 820megs :/
[06:51] <vortex25> yeah no joke
[06:51] <seek187> tux_, you mean the file named blackdownj2re ? that thing?
[06:51] <hypa7ia> meh, i got 2 gigs in 3 hours :-)
[06:51] <tux_> yea
[06:51] <seek187> it won't let me install that
[06:51] <vortex25> is azureus probably the best under linux? I use it under os x and i use it or bitcomet under windows
[06:51] <tux_> like that page i posted
[06:51] <Cred> hypa7ia, lucky ;)
[06:51] <hypa7ia> yupyup
[06:51] <seek187> it said it was uninstallable
[06:51] <tux_> using Method3
[06:51] <seek187> oh ok
[06:51] <hypa7ia> yay canuckian broadband :-)
[06:51] <Cred> vortex25, yep. It's the best but because it uses Java.. :)
[06:51] <seek187> ill try that then
[06:51] <tux_> k
[06:51] <Cred> or "the best"
[06:51] <hypa7ia> the best tho:  connecting from U of T to York (two uni's in the same city)
[06:52] <vortex25> I'm actually not a huge fan of Java, but that's just because I stuck to C++ and then moved to C#, but I've heard C# is a lot like Java so maybe I'd like it
[06:52] <hypa7ia> downloaded 2.5 gigs of debian in.... 12 minutes :-)
[06:52] <Cred> Java and C# are really the same for me due to licensing. Java is the smaller evil of the two hehe.
[06:54] <hypa7ia> my plan is to learn python
[06:54] <hypa7ia> i figure it'll be a good start :-)
[06:54] <Cred> Probably :)
[06:55] <Cred> I have D language and Ada on my list.
[06:55] <hypa7ia> i've heard of D.... high level mathy language, right?
[06:55] <hypa7ia> i plan on going python -> java -> perl -> c++
[06:56] <burnboy> anyone having problems with ssh in ubuntu timing out after a short period...not just SSH but anything else, like VNC
[06:56] <Cred> I wouldn't say mathy but it's high level yes. http://www.digitalmars.com/d/comparison.html for details :)
[06:56] <Cred> burnboy, not here. What's the problem?
[06:56] <Cred> Or obviously you have a timeout problem heh :)
[06:57] <burnboy> well i had it before..and re-installed and my connection just times out to them
[06:57] <burnboy> and it's not the network..i am streaming from another computer and do nearly 12 hours a day
[06:57] <burnboy> with no timeouts..it's just my ubuntu box that has probs..even swithced out the network card
[06:57] <Cred> hypa7ia, nice list you got there :)
[06:58] <hypa7ia> i think so :-)
[06:58] <hypa7ia> now, if only i had a couple of years...
[06:58] <Cred> Any ideas for a small Gnome program? I want to practise programming for it but I need a rather good idea first.
[06:59] <Cred> hypa7ia, why? Are you going to die soon? :o
[06:59] <vortex25> a program to view .cbr files :)
[06:59] <hypa7ia> a better battery applet :-)
[06:59] <vortex25> i.e. scanned comics, I'm not much into 'em, but I was looking for a viewer and couldn't really find any
[06:59] <hypa7ia> Cred: full time school part time work, volunteering... a lot to do :-/
[06:59] <vortex25> they are just .rar'd or .zipped images
[06:59] <hypa7ia> doh!
[07:00] <Cred> vortex25, well if that's the case maybe your favorite packer/zipper/archiver should have that support.
[07:01] <Cred> Hmm, btw does anyone here know how to make working /dev/video0?
[07:01] <vortex25> to some extent, but dedicated viewers are kind of spiffier
[07:01] <Cred> Apparently proper modules are loaded during boot (according to dmesg etc. they are).
[07:01] <vortex25> I may just make one for practice the more I think of it
[07:02] <hypa7ia> <-- noob what does /dev/video0 do Cred?
[07:04] <vortex25> isn't that video cam?
[07:04] <vortex25> if memory serves right I think it is
[07:04] <hypa7ia> oh, cool
[07:05] <hypa7ia> i have to do that at some point.
[07:05] <hypa7ia> todo: fglrx, internal wifi, acpi, wacom tablet
[07:05] <hypa7ia> damn peripherals :-(
[07:06] <vortex25> fglrx worked better on this distro that some others I tried to get it working on
[07:06] <vortex25> only took about 5 minutes here on my 9600xt all in wonder
[07:06] <hypa7ia> nicenice
[07:06] <hypa7ia> yeah, i had it working in fedora 2 so i'm not too worried
[07:07] <hypa7ia> acpi and wifi tho... patching kernels... this is pushing the limits of what i know :-/
[07:07] <vortex25> Mandrake 10.1 was a bear about it, it finally worked but that distro was buggy
[07:07] <vortex25> that's what I like about ubuntu I haven't run into too many bugs at all, if really any
[07:08] <hypa7ia> me neither.  and the chan is so friendly.  and i love gnome.
[07:08] <hypa7ia> i was on os xfor 2 years previously, so it's perfect :-)
[07:10] <tux_> seek187, just got it working on my ubuntu box
[07:11] <tux_> the hoary install even duplicated my plugins from the mozilla folder
[07:11] <tux_> very nice
[07:11] <Mestapheles> anyone running ppc?
[07:11] <Lowry> I am
[07:12] <Lowry> G3 powerbook bronze
[07:12] <vortex25> yeah I work on mac's (repair them) and I want one but can't afford it and I must say I'm a fan of this Gnome
[07:12] <Mestapheles> did you try to put kde overtop?
[07:12] <vortex25> it is a step in the right direction
[07:13] <Mestapheles> wondering if KDE 3.3 is in universe repo
[07:13] <Lowry> Having some dvd problems
[07:13] <Lowry> With totem
[07:13] <jdub> Mestapheles: not 3.3, no
[07:13] <jdub> Mestapheles: warty froze in late june
[07:13] <Mestapheles> yes, I've read about the dvd problems, I think xine works
[07:13] <jdub> Lowry: install libdvdcss and totem-xine
[07:13] <vortex25> yeah Lowry I had the same issue
[07:14] <Mestapheles> and use what ever gnome front for xine
[07:14] <tux_> seek187, any luck yet
[07:14] <vortex25> Lowry: don't worry about the ubuntu-desktop it says it needs to uninstall
[07:14] <Cred> hypa7ia, /dev/video0 is for TV cards for example
[07:14] <vortex25> it won't hurt anything I'm told
[07:14] <tux_> nite, er greetings all
[07:15] <Mestapheles> I'm thinking of putting ubuntu on my brother;s imac but he doesn't like gnome.  I read here that someone succesfully put kde 3.3 on but that was pc not ppc
[07:15] <hypa7ia> Cred: good to know, thanks
[07:15] <Mestapheles> what version of kde is available for ppc?
[07:16] <lamont> Mestapheles: kde had issues on ppc/warty.
[07:17] <lamont> and I think kde is still pending for hoary
[07:17] <lamont> everywhere
[07:17] <lamont> arts is still in need of love for hoary, which will release the kde dep-wait-chain-of-dispair
[07:17] <lrn> I just mounted my ntft DISKS,and i can`t see hebrew at them
[07:17] <lrn> why?
[07:18] <Mestapheles> wondering if a dist-upgrade to ubuntu is possible?
[07:18] <vortex25> I'm definitely a converted Gnome user, I hadn't used it since 2.4 and I like it a ton more than KDE
[07:18] <lamont> Mestapheles: from?
[07:18] <hypa7ia> lrn: you can't hebrew at them?
[07:18] <lrn> can`t see hebrew there
[07:18] <Mestapheles> sarge
[07:18] <lrn> i don`t even see the file,like its missing
[07:19] <hypa7ia> weird, no idea about that, sorry lrn
[07:19] <lamont> Mestapheles: from woody, supported.  Sarge < June 28, 2004 should certainly work.  Sarge > June 28, or sid introduces some challenges
[07:19] <lrn> :|
[07:19] <lamont> recent sarge/sid is really a cross-grade... some packages are newer in ubuntu, some are older.
[07:19] <lrn> ubuntu will move to X.org ?
[07:19] <hypa7ia> for hoary, lrn
[07:19] <lamont> lrn: that's what I understand
[07:20] <Mestapheles> lamont:I just recently installed sarge from RC2 or RC1
[07:20] <Mestapheles> and I've updated today
[07:20] <lamont> Mestapheles: that would be known to be highly risky
[07:20] <lamont> certainly outside of "supported"
[07:21] <lrn> I can`t see movies,and i installed what they told me in wiki
[07:21] <lrn> any one could help
[07:21] <lrn> ?
[07:21] <lamont> and generally in the "expected to not work for mere mortals, probably not work without great pain for developer types"
[07:21] <Mestapheles> maybe I'll wait till kde works
[07:22] <hypa7ia> lrn: you've gor w32codecs?
[07:22] <hypa7ia> from marillat?
[07:22] <lrn> yes
[07:22] <hypa7ia> erk, that's all i know
[07:25] <lrn> damn
[07:25] <vortex25> hey lrn have you installed totem-xine?
[07:26] <lrn> i think
[07:26] <vortex25> I had issues with totem-gstreamer which is the default
[07:26] <lrn> apt-get install totem-xine
[07:26] <lrn> Reading Package Lists... Done
[07:26] <lrn> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[07:26] <lrn> totem-xine is already the newest version.
[07:26] <vortex25> hmmm mine plays about everything after I did that
[07:26] <vortex25> ok
[07:26] <vortex25> hmm
[07:26] <lrn> what is the command to run totem-xine /
[07:27] <vortex25> totem
[07:27] <vortex25> that should run it
[07:27] <vortex25> what kind of files are you trying to play?
[07:27] <vortex25> do you know what they are encoded in?
[07:27] <Mestapheles> use totem with xine
[07:27] <Lowry> later ppl
[07:27] <aTypical> Hi, all.  Is there a good howto for installing Mplayer?
[07:27] <Mestapheles> intall xine wsa a fix that I read about
[07:27] <lrn> mpg
[07:28] <vortex25> aTypical: it is in the ubuntuforums.org
[07:28] <aTypical> vortex25, thank you.
[07:28] <vortex25> as in dvd or just .mpg?
[07:28] <lrn> just .mpg
[07:28] <vortex25> aTypical: under HOWTO'S
[07:28] <Mestapheles> along with installing xine you light install some dependencies you're missing
[07:29] <vortex25> hey lrn
[07:29] <vortex25> install gxine
[07:29] <vortex25> and then use totem again
[07:30] <vortex25> and see if that installs the files you needed to do it, I installed gxine also and I don't have problems
[07:30] <erek> what is ubuntu like? compared to say gentoo?
[07:30] <Tsjoklat> easier
[07:30] <vortex25> less compiling ;)
[07:30] <blacknyx> not such a migraine
[07:30] <hypa7ia> it rocks, erek :-)
[07:30] <Tsjoklat> faster
[07:30] <vortex25> I like it just as well
[07:30] <Tsjoklat> less headaches
[07:30] <Mestapheles> what's ubuntu comapred to deboan sarge?
[07:30] <Tsjoklat> no medication bills
[07:30] <Mestapheles> what's ubuntu comapred to debian sarge?
[07:30] <Tsjoklat> a million times better Mestapheles
[07:30] <hypa7ia> Mestapheles: more up to date
[07:30] <hypa7ia> i'm running both
[07:30] <blacknyx> yeah what Tsjoklat said
[07:30] <vortex25> I don't know if it is faster, but it isn't slow, or noticeably slower for that matter
[07:31] <Tsjoklat> I had Sarge for two hours...
[07:31] <Tsjoklat> five times
[07:31] <vortex25> it is cool 'cause it installs the default programs you'd want w/o a ton more
[07:31] <Tsjoklat> it is either Sid or nothing
[07:31] <Tsjoklat> if you want Debian
[07:31] <erek> man
[07:31] <erek> the name is kindof strange to me
[07:31] <erek> hehe
[07:31] <vortex25> african isn't it?
[07:31] <Mestapheles> and ubuntu stablaizes sid
[07:31] <blacknyx> I have SuSe right now, used to have ubuntu, but now I want to have both distros on.
[07:32] <blacknyx> but last time I messed up the boot, so had to start over.
[07:32] <Tsjoklat> got ubu and sid
[07:32] <hypa7ia> erek: "humanity towards others"
[07:32] <Tsjoklat> but liking ubu better
[07:32] <Mestapheles> Tsjoklat: you says it's five times faster?
[07:33] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: sid or nothing? I'm running sarge on my server ;)
[07:33] <blacknyx> only thing i wish was that mplayer was included in apt-get.
[07:33] <Tsjoklat> lol Treenaks.. you always have the last word :P
[07:33] <Tsjoklat> yes Mestapheles
[07:34] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: :P
[07:34] <justdave> I just upgraded a Beige G3 from Sid to Hoary a few days ago...  and since upgrading, it no longer recognizes the USB keyboard (but the USB mouse works just fine).  Anyone have any ideas what to look for?
[07:34] <Tsjoklat> I am sooooooooooo not disputing you hehehe
[07:34] <Tsjoklat> and you are up early man
[07:34] <Treenaks> justdave: hotplug?
[07:34] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: early? usually I'm up an hour earlier
[07:34] <vortex25> I agree on the mplayer
[07:34] <Treenaks> it's just that I have the morning off
[07:34] <britt_radiofree> blacknyx, it is in multiverse
[07:35] <Mestapheles> Tsjoklat: you running ppc?
[07:35] <justdave> Treenaks: yeah, hotplug is installed, checked that already.  I don't know if it needs special config or not though
[07:35] <Tsjoklat> no
[07:35] <Treenaks> justdave: 2.6 kernel? module-init-tools?
[07:35] <Tsjoklat> I have eight boxes but no ppc sorry
[07:35] <justdave> 2.6.8.1
[07:36] <Tsjoklat> right now I am updating one of my machines to hoary... I am so anxious
[07:36] <blacknyx> britt_radiofree: I don't believe so, in all my reading I haven't run across that term yet, though I'm still new to linux.
[07:36] <Mestapheles> wondering if it would make a speed diff on an old imac DV 400mhz
[07:36] <Mestapheles> as compared to debian sarge
[07:36] <vortex25> hey what is the shortcut to change workspaces?
[07:36] <vortex25> or cycle to be more specific
[07:36] <britt_radiofree> blacknyx, it's in there :) include multiverse in your sources.list
[07:37] <britt_radiofree> vortex25, ctrl-alt left/right
[07:37] <vortex25> is the mplayer package pretty stable?
[07:37] <vortex25> thanks britt_radiofree
[07:37] <Tsjoklat> well if you want information about sarge you should talk to Treenaks
[07:37] <Tsjoklat> he is the Sarge miracle man
[07:37] <Mestapheles> any ppc users also use debian-ppc before?
[07:37] <blacknyx> britt_radiofree:  I'll try to find out more about it now, thanks for the tip.
[07:38] <jdub> Mestapheles: i've used both, yes, on my green toilet seat ibook.
[07:38] <Tsjoklat> green toilet seat?
[07:38] <Tsjoklat> hahah
[07:38] <Treenaks> Mestapheles: not much speed difference probably
[07:38] <Tsjoklat> sounds... appealing
[07:38] <Mestapheles> is it running any faster than debian-ppc?
[07:38] <Mestapheles> so
[07:38] <Treenaks> Mestapheles: ubuntu is just "more convenient"
[07:38] <Mestapheles> oh
[07:38] <Treenaks> Mestapheles: a lot :)
[07:38] <Tsjoklat> I dislike Sarge
[07:39] <Tsjoklat> didn't work for shyte
[07:39] <Tsjoklat> plus it has Debian submenu
[07:39] <Tsjoklat> to which I am allergic
[07:39] <Tsjoklat> gives me hives
[07:39] <jdub> Tsjoklat: http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/blog/1095608125 :-)
[07:39] <jdub> Mestapheles: not sure there's a qualitative difference in speed, really.
[07:40] <Tsjoklat> it is indeed green... neo green?
[07:40] <calc> Tsjoklat: you could just delete it, like ubuntu did
[07:40] <lrn>  xmms
[07:40] <lrn> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:40] <lrn> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[07:40] <lrn> why ?
[07:40] <blacknyx> does each different distro need its own /boot? but yet not its own boot driver?  is that how it works?
[07:40] <Mestapheles> firewire suported I guess sinse sarge supports it
[07:40] <Tsjoklat> have you tried that calc?
[07:40] <Tsjoklat> it is IMPOSSIBLE
[07:40] <calc> Tsjoklat: or just uninstall menu
[07:40] <Tsjoklat> even the debian ppl say it is locked
[07:40] <calc> Tsjoklat: uninstalling menu makes it go away (from what i recall)
[07:40] <jdub> lrn: install libmikmod2
[07:40] <Tsjoklat> calc: do a google and you will be amazed about how many ppl have tried
[07:40] <calc> it does for kde in any case
[07:40] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: if it's anything like my old green iMac, it's "gifgroen" :)
[07:40] <Tsjoklat> no with sarge/gnome
[07:40] <Tsjoklat> it is gifgroen Treenaks
[07:40] <Mestapheles> ?
[07:40] <calc> Tsjoklat: without the menu package it can't populate the menu period
[07:41] <jdub> calc: uninstalling menu makes it have no menu items ;)
[07:41] <jdub> calc: but the menu itself stays there
[07:41] <Tsjoklat> jdub knows
[07:41] <calc> jdub: oh hahaha it doesn't make the top level go away
[07:41] <jdub> which is bong
[07:41] <Tsjoklat> I have been cowing in here about it for yonks
[07:41] <Mestapheles> Tsjoklat?
[07:41] <jdub> anyway, it has been removed upstream for 2.10, and removed from ubuntu for our release :)
[07:41] <Tsjoklat> yes Mestapheles?
[07:41] <calc> remove menu and it goes away
[07:41] <Tsjoklat> calc: not in gnome
[07:41] <calc> jdub: so how will it show debian menu items now?
[07:41] <Mestapheles> sorry meant to write "gifgroen"?
[07:41] <jdub> calc: [menu.c is gnome-panel is famously horrific :-) ] 
[07:42] <calc> Tsjoklat: i am talking about kde's
[07:42] <jdub> calc: it doesn't.
[07:42] <Tsjoklat> gifgroen means poisonious green
[07:42] <Mestapheles> yes I have a lime green imac
[07:42] <calc> jdub: isn't that a violation of policy for debian's anyway
[07:42] <Mestapheles> one of the fruity ones
[07:42] <jdub> calc: from my POV, the debian menu structure is terrible, and the kinds of stuff that appears in it is baroque. :-)
[07:42] <Tsjoklat> fruity sounds better then toilet seat :)
[07:42] <Mestapheles> lol
[07:42] <calc> jdub: agreed
[07:43] <Tsjoklat> I emailed debian to ask about that their response was: we locked it so that ppl cant mess it up anymore.. we got tired of those
[07:43] <Tsjoklat> charming
[07:43] <Tsjoklat> but to be expected
[07:43] <Mestapheles> with a whopping whole 400mhz
[07:43] <Tsjoklat> hey Treenaks?
[07:43] <Tsjoklat> how did the sage ended with lyp and debby?
[07:43] <Treenaks> Mestapheles: I'm running on a 600MHz (i386) laptop.
[07:43] <calc> jdub: something needs to be done to unify the menu in fdo, once more than just kde supports menu spec it will be a big mess
[07:44] <ryan> hrm
[07:44] <jdub> calc: yeah
[07:44] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: Uh, he moaned some more, said 'bbl' and hasn't come back since
[07:44] <Tsjoklat> lol
[07:44] <jdub> calc: especially with menu-xdg... eeeeeek! :)
[07:44] <Tsjoklat> I love debian distro, I dislike debian 'support/help' but I am sold to ubu
[07:45] <hypa7ia> agreed Tsjoklat :-)
[07:45] <Tsjoklat> totally hooked
[07:45] <vortex25> Man, it is annoying that some packages don't install to the menu right :( like Chromium, Lbreakout2, some others
[07:45] <ryan> hehe
[07:45] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks: I haven't heard from him in a few days so I assume he is very happy with his new gf debby
[07:45] <ryan> ubuntu is great; albeit being stuck with older packages [hint: this is where you righteously smack me with info]  such as gaim and dosbox ;)
[07:46] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: yeah, probably :)
[07:46] <Tsjoklat> I never asked him if she is green too.. or some other fruity colour
[07:46] <redhead381> is somebody in here that can help me
[07:46] <redhead381> about linux
[07:46] <redhead381> ?
[07:46] <Treenaks> redhead381: uh, likely
[07:46] <erek> ryan: ubuntu doesn't have xorg working yet?
[07:46] <Tsjoklat> tis the place to be redhead
[07:46] <vortex25> that would seem likely
[07:46] <calc> jdub: eh?
[07:46] <ryan> erek: naw, i can live without that
[07:46] <Treenaks> erek: people are working on it
[07:46] <ryan> but its still only got gaim 1.0.0
[07:46] <ryan> and dosbox 0.61
[07:46] <calc> menu-xdg does the best that can be to support debian's horrid menu
[07:47] <calc> i'm open to any suggestions for improvement of course ;)
[07:47] <ryan> dosbox 0.62 has been out since sept 29th :/
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> hoary looks great so far.. only the trash applet has issues
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> it keeps crashing on mine
[07:47] <erek> ryan: what's holding it back from xorg?
[07:47] <redhead381> ok, here's the deal:  i don't know anything, but my friend was trying to install ubuntu onto my computer (which has windows) off of a CD.  so he put the CD into the drive, then rebooted the computer, and the ubuntu thing came up.  when he presses enter to load it, the computer turns itself off then back on and starts the process all over again.  what's wrong?
[07:47] <vortex25> does hoary have the bootsplash in yet? I am picky about looks to some extent and love the looks fedora core 2 had for its bootsplash
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> calc: if I needed someone telling me what I can have or not in my menu I might aswell stick to Bill
[07:48] <calc> Tsjoklat: perhaps you don't get the point, jdub understood what i was talking about ;)
[07:48] <nevyn> redhead381: bad media?
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> I do get the point
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> but I am traumatized
[07:48] <calc> Tsjoklat: everyone that supports menu spec will have a conflicting menu file
[07:48] <redhead381> what's that mean?
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> and still suffering from post traumatic stress
[07:48] <redhead381> is it something that he can fix relatively easily?
[07:48] <ryan> can one just change /etc/apt/sources.list to hoary
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> so I tend to start to ramble
[07:48] <ryan> to get newer packages
[07:48] <redhead381> my rommates computer does the same exact thing
[07:48] <calc> so either menu spec needs to be modified and having lots of different menus is fine, or a standard one should be defined
[07:48] <britt_radiofree> ryan, yes
[07:48] <jdub> calc: given the haphazard nature of the menu structure already, adding menu-xdg items to the gnome/kde structure is going to be seriously scary. (not menu-xdg's fault, it's the items themselves.)
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> and not locked
[07:49] <calc> having a unified one that is the same across WMs would be nice
[07:49] <Treenaks> redhead381: is the CD burned correctly?
[07:49] <redhead381> yea
[07:49] <redhead381> he even burned a new copy to check that
[07:49] <redhead381> and it did the same thing
[07:49] <Tsjoklat> besides the trash applet crashing I haven't noticed anything horribly wrong in hoary yet
[07:49] <Treenaks> redhead381: on a lower speed?
[07:49] <vortex25> sounds like it doesn't like some specific piece of hardware
[07:49] <calc> jdub: wrt menu-xdg all of them are shoved off into a debian submenu like gnome was
[07:49] <redhead381> idk about that
[07:49] <ryan> britt_radiofree: do you know if it has gaim 1.0.2 and dosbox 0.62 yet? ;)
[07:49] <jdub> calc: so i don't think we'll be shipping menu-xdg (unless we patch all the menu items). ;-)
[07:49] <vortex25> is there a command line on the install cd to disable apic, that might help
[07:49] <jdub> calc: oh right.
[07:49] <redhead381> does that affect it?
[07:49] <Treenaks> redhead381: try burning at a alower speed, that might help
[07:49] <redhead381> disable apic?
[07:49] <calc> jdub: it builds out a debian menu that looks the same as any other wm that just uses the debian default layout
[07:49] <britt_radiofree> ryan, yes on gaim
[07:49] <hypa7ia> noapic noacpi redhead381 :-)
[07:49] <ryan> woo i'm sold
[07:50] <vortex25> yeah what hypa7ia said
[07:50] <Tsjoklat> I asked in here the second day this channel was up if ubu was going to lock the menu.. they said no and that's why I am on ubu now
[07:50] <britt_radiofree> ryan, dosbox: .61-4
[07:50] <calc> i don't like debian's layout enough to try to convert kde over to using it exclusively (gag)
[07:50] <redhead381> ok, i know nothing about any of this, but i'll copy and paste it to him, he can fix it.  thanks so much ;)
[07:50] <Tsjoklat> jdub is the trash appplet crashing common atm?
[07:51] <hypa7ia> glad to help, redhead381, come back if you have further troubles :-)
[07:51] <deFrysk> mine never crashes
[07:51] <deFrysk> Iut i never use it either
[07:51] <ryan> britt_radiofree: hmmmm
[07:51] <GotD0t> i have a floppy drive that is stuck mounted
[07:52] <Tsjoklat> as soon as xorg becomes available I am going hoary on all four machines
[07:52] <ryan> debian/unstable doesn't even have dosbox .62 yet
[07:52] <Treenaks> redhead381: that might help, but first verify if the CD was burned correctly, please (do you have another, working linux system somewhere?)
[07:52] <Treenaks> hypa7ia: uh.. noapic acpi=off
[07:52] <ryan> i wonder whats holding them back :/
[07:52] <vortex25> gotDOt: try umount -f
[07:52] <mercurus> GotD0t: close all windows and terminals that are accessing or sittnig on the floppy
[07:52] <GotD0t> i havent accessed the floppy since yesterday
[07:52] <Tsjoklat> GotDOt do you use magicdev?
[07:52] <redhead381> idk
[07:52] <GotD0t> i dont know what that is tsjoklat
[07:52] <redhead381> i think he installed it using that CD on another computer not too long ago
[07:53] <Tsjoklat> dpkg -l magicdev in console
[07:53] <Tsjoklat> does that tell you if it is installed?
[07:53] <vortex25> ok here is a question, what are some other fun linux games other than lbreakout2, chromium (at least those are fun to me)
[07:53] <GotD0t> no packages found
[07:53] <hypa7ia> redhead381: Treenaks corrected me above, you hould use noapic acpi=off
[07:53] <hypa7ia> vortex25: tuxracer :-)
[07:53] <Tsjoklat> ah okay, magicdev has a setting that might lock the floppy
[07:53] <Tsjoklat> just making sure
[07:53] <calc> jdub: it looks like: http://cheney.cx/menu-xdg.jpg
[07:53] <deFrysk> vortex25, get aa
[07:54] <GotD0t> its actually not only my floppy
[07:54] <calc> wait about 1min file still uploading ;)
[07:54] <Tsjoklat> what else?
[07:54] <vortex25> aa?
[07:54] <GotD0t> i have a usb card reader thats suck mounted
[07:54] <deFrysk> americas army
[07:54] <vortex25> oh
[07:54] <jdub> calc: 404...
[07:54] <GotD0t> when i try to umount either it tells me the device is busy
[07:54] <jdub> aha
[07:54] <redhead381> thanks guys
[07:54] <vortex25> i'm thinking more old school type games, not so much shooters
[07:54] <vortex25> things like breakout, tetris, scrollers, etc
[07:55] <calc> jdub: should be there now
[07:56] <jdub> calc: ahr. yeah.
[07:56] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks: I followed your instructions and it works like a charm now, thanks again
[07:57] <GotD0t> any clue?
[07:57] <calc> debian should just adopt the fdo standards directly
[07:57] <erek> this community seems pretty nice
[07:57] <calc> shouldn't be that hard to fix the menu package for the wms that don't support it
[07:58] <hypa7ia> erek: it's pretty chill
[07:58] <hypa7ia> erek: no STFU n00B, STFW here :-)
[07:59] <erek> hehehe
[07:59] <calc> vortex25: just get an emulator and some games from erm somewhere ;)
[07:59] <hypa7ia> aran, greets from toronto!
[08:00] <vortex25> already done, hmm man uqm, Ur-Quan Masters won't let me install :(] 
[08:00] <aran> hi
[08:00] <aran> greets from rainy kingston
[08:00] <hypa7ia> kingston, boo!
[08:00] <GotD0t> this is so irritating
[08:01] <hypa7ia> kidding :-)
[08:01] <GotD0t> i cant do anything with my floppy
[08:01] <aran> does anybody know where I should look for help getting a usb memory key to work? the official HOWTO wasn't much help...
[08:02] <vortex25> aran: did you plug it in?
[08:02] <GotD0t> haha
[08:02] <hypa7ia> aran: it should automount, i got mine working yesterday
[08:02] <vortex25> mine just showed up
[08:02] <GotD0t> is there a way to kill a zombie?
[08:02] <hypa7ia> aran: are you in gnome?
[08:02] <aran> yeah
[08:02] <GotD0t> how
[08:02] <vortex25> if I plug it in after gnome has loaded
[08:03] <mercurus> aran mine worked out of the box ...
[08:03] <aran> default ubuntu install, and it just worked?
[08:03] <mercurus> aye
[08:03] <aran> is your usb key ext* formatted or vfat?
[08:03] <mercurus> vfat
[08:03] <vortex25> if I had it plugged in when I started up it was a no go
[08:03] <vortex25> but all I had to do was unplug and replug it back in
[08:03] <aran> interesting.
[08:03] <aran> I'm definitely unlucky then
[08:04] <hypa7ia> mine was vfat too
[08:04] <aran> last time I got frustrated and just unplugged it, the computer crashed
[08:04] <hypa7ia> eek!
[08:04] <mercurus> aran: does it appear as /dev/sda1 ?
[08:04] <hypa7ia> that means it's seeing it...
[08:04] <aran> nope
[08:04] <hypa7ia> weird
[08:04] <aran> agreed
[08:04] <mercurus> what does dmesg show when the key is inserte d?
[08:04] <aran> i was hoping someone would be like "I had the same trouble, all you had to do was *!"
[08:05] <vortex25> I guess you could manually mount it with something like mount /dev/sdb (or whatever the device is)
[08:05] <vortex25> hmmm
[08:05] <vortex25> after you plug it in type dmesg
[08:05] <vortex25> I had the problem in a different distro, mine wouldn't automount, but my roommate's would
[08:05] <vortex25> I just had to manually mount
[08:05] <aran> yeah, I'm going through the dmesg log now...
[08:05] <vortex25> i.e. make a folder in /mnt, example, /mnt/key
[08:05] <vortex25> then mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/key
[08:05] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: uh, what works like a charm now? :)
[08:05] <vortex25> seemed to work
[08:05] <hypa7ia> do you have a different thing to try and hotplug?  a usb mass storage camera, flash adapter, etc?
[08:06] <Tsjoklat> the UTF thingy
[08:06] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: ah ok :) cool
[08:06] <aran> I've tried the manual mounting... interesting, dmesg is showing SCSI errors and buffer I/O errors
[08:06] <vortex25> well night all
[08:06] <vortex25> yuck
[08:07] <aran> something's wrong with the filesystem, apparently... strangely enough, XP had no problem writing to it...
[08:08] <hypa7ia> aran: XP may be more forgiving.  try backing it up, formatting, then using it again?
[08:08] <hypa7ia> assuming you can mount it somewhere:-)
[08:09] <GotD0t> does anybody have any suggestions on umounting my floppy
[08:09] <nevyn> aran: anything interesting in event viewer?
[08:09] <aran> yeah, that'd be the fun part... nothing TOO important on it, I'll have to format it later. Thanks for the help
[08:09] <aran> event viewer...
[08:10] <aran> dmesg has a ton of these Buffer I/O errors combined with SCSI errors
[08:10] <nevyn> in xp...
[08:10] <aran> oh, in XP
[08:11] <aran> unfortunately I don't have easy XP access right now, the files were loaded on a computer at someone else's house
[08:11] <holycow> aran maybe xp just wasn't logging the errors?
[08:11] <nevyn> holycow: how do you know if he didn't look at it? :)
[08:12] <aran> I have no idea... I think this guy is just begging to be formatted
[08:12] <holycow> nevyn, lol /me shuts up now
[08:12] <aran> GotD0t: what's wrong with your floppy? I'm sorry I'm distracting all the attention
[08:12] <mercurus> aran: google for the error messages, and see if a solution has been proposed ?
[08:12] <aran> not a bad idea
[08:14] <mercurus> also, try a rear USB port, and the second of two (if there are multiples)
[08:14] <mercurus> IO error could be a dodgy connection from one of the pins
[08:15] <aran> now I get a bunch of usb 1-1: control timeout on ep0in
[08:15] <aran> (in dmesg)
[08:16] <mercurus> ep0in ... which device is that ? never heard of it
[08:16] <mercurus> have you used this usb drive in another UNIX machine ?
[08:16] <aran> never, only Windows...I think the partition table is broken, this is causing random misc errors, and multiple errors because Linux keeps on retrying to mount it
[08:17] <Treenaks> sounds like an IRQ problem or something
[08:17] <mercurus> aran: hmm ... you'd still expect a device node to show up if the partition table was broken ...
[08:17] <Treenaks> or a too-long chain of hubs
[08:20] <aran> I think it'd be fair to say this is likely a hardware problem and not an Ubuntu bug... that's all I needed to find out for the night. Thanks all, I'm going to bed.
[08:24] <thoreauputic> GotD0t: try lsof | grep floppy to see what process is hogging it ?
[08:25] <mercurus> whee !!!
[08:25] <thoreauputic> GotD0t: then kill it if you can...
[08:25] <mercurus> my Uni just replaced its Debian mirror with a FULL Ubuntu mirror ...
[08:25] <mercurus> including Hoary, multiverse, restricted etc
[08:25] <thoreauputic> mercurus: replaced, or added?
[08:25] <mercurus> thoreauputic: replaced
[08:25] <mercurus> they only have debian stable now
[08:26] <nevyn> mercurus: replaced?
[08:26] <thoreauputic> mercurus: :( what do the Debian users do now?
[08:26] <nevyn> mercurus: which uni?
[08:26] <nevyn> thoreauputic: indeed.
[08:26] <mercurus> but that's fine, the State's debian mirror is available free of charge at the same speed on the state nternet exchange
[08:26] <nevyn> hrm
[08:26] <thoreauputic> mercurus: ah OK
[08:26] <nevyn> mercurus: waix?
[08:26] <mercurus> nevyn: aye
[08:27] <nevyn> heh
[08:27] <nevyn> UWA?
[08:27] <mercurus> aye, you ?
[08:27] <jdub> smelly westerners!
[08:27] <nevyn> melb au. I was there for LCA 2k3
[08:27] <mercurus> nevyn: ah ... I was in Europe at the time :x
[08:27] <nevyn> :(
[08:28] <nevyn> I missed bdales Debian talk and sat outside napier talking to telsa ;)
[08:29] <justdave> hmm, my keyboard suddenly works on the Beige now...
[08:29] <justdave> I did an apt-get dist-upgrade via synaptic...  apparently something new showed up today that made it work :)
[08:29] <justdave> (I'd last done that two days ago)
[08:30] <Nafallo> justdave: hoary? :-)
[08:30] <justdave> Nafallo: yes
[08:30] <mercurus> that decision from uni has made my mind up, debian is gone ... and my laptop will have Ubuntu too
[08:31] <mercurus> with any luck my CDs and my laptop will arrive at the same time :)
[08:34] <ajmitch> pity I didn't put down an an order for cds :)
[08:35] <hypa7ia> you still can, ajmitch
[08:35] <Treenaks> is it just me, or do fonts look "different" in hoary?
[08:35] <Treenaks> more crisp..
[08:35] <ajmitch> Treenaks: depends on fontconfig, probably :)
[08:35] <ajmitch> I know it changed recently in sid
[08:37] <|trey|> jdub, no wiki for gnome 2.9.1 developement? would be nice to colaborate over gnome the best way be collaborate over Ubuntu  :)
[08:37] <|trey|> s/be/we/
[08:38] <|trey|> Probably the best way to do things like proposing packages...
[08:39] <Tsjoklat> good night Ruffian
[08:40] <Tsjoklat> with the charming away msg
[08:40] <|trey|> Ruffian|JANE|, I'm Trey  ;)
[08:40] <Ruffian|JANE|> HAHA, Hi
[08:40] <Ruffian|JANE|> goodnight
[08:40] <|trey|> Night  :)
[08:40] <Tsjoklat> :)
[08:40] <GammaRay> |trey|: I would never have guessed
[08:40] <Tsjoklat> trey is cool
[08:40] <|trey|> GammaRay, I know right  ;)
[08:40] <Tsjoklat> I don't know trey but me likes him
[08:40] <Tsjoklat> her
[08:40] <Tsjoklat> it
[08:40] <Tsjoklat> ?
[08:41] <hypa7ia> time for me to be off too
[08:41] <hypa7ia> niters all
[08:41] <Tsjoklat> night hypa
[08:41] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, haha... http://www.facethejury.com/profile.asp?user_name=PiMpN
[08:42] <Tsjoklat> the verdict is in: it's a he :)
[08:42] <|trey|> http://www.facethejury.com/images/photos/Pi/Pimpn-2061453.jpg best pic... but its not available to none members less you link to it...
[08:42] <Tsjoklat> handsome one too
[08:42] <|trey|> 8)
[08:42] <|trey|> +reasonably smart though  8)
[08:43] <Tsjoklat> that's a plus :P
[08:43] <Tsjoklat> heheh
[08:43] <|trey|> About 10 weeks from my assosiates  8)
[08:43] <Tsjoklat> from your what?
[08:43] <holycow> >_>
[08:43] <|trey|> got a 91% in NT Admin, 97% in Linux Admin... I rule  :)
[08:44] <noteven> any one around who knows a bit about software raid?
[08:44] <Tsjoklat> oh classes you took?
[08:44] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, yeah..
[08:44] <thoreauputic> modest too...
[08:44] <nevyn> |trey|: I got 95 in "fundamentals of unix" the final took me 9 minutes ;)
[08:44] <Tsjoklat> well if we are bragging... I got 99.9 percentile in English writing/reading
[08:44] <nevyn> 95% that is.
[08:44] <Tsjoklat> highest in America
[08:44] <Tsjoklat> hah
[08:44] <Tsjoklat> how about that
[08:45] <Tsjoklat> it doesn't show most of the time but hey
[08:45] <nevyn> Tsjoklat: that's pretty good.. so you understand the difference between who and whom?
[08:45] <Tsjoklat> on good days yes
[08:45] <|trey|> nevyn, this was all that + dns + dhcp + samba/ad + nfs etc etc...
[08:45] <Tsjoklat> usually that means on thursday
[08:45] <Tsjoklat> the rest of the week I am recovering from hangovers
[08:45] <noteven> well maybe not but Ill shoot anyway.. will it ever be possible to create and install on a software raid or is this more of a debian prob?
[08:45] <nevyn> so if I say I'm watching Dr who. is that the grammatically correct doctor or not?
[08:45] <Tsjoklat> pitti :)
[08:46] <Tsjoklat> nevyn it is friday
[08:46] <nevyn> :)
[08:46] <pitti> Morning Tsjoklat
[08:46] <Tsjoklat> you are one day too late to ask
[08:46] <nevyn> heh
[08:46] <Tsjoklat> morn pitti
[08:46] <|trey|> nevyn, I have a 3.8 GPA, I have only opened one book the entire time... Assosiates is a cake walk...
[08:46] <Tsjoklat> try next week
[08:46] <nevyn> assosiates?
[08:46] <|trey|> nevyn, yeah... AAS...
[08:46] <Tsjoklat> ten weeks before they release trey
[08:47] <thoreauputic> nevyn: you left out the capitalisation for a proper noun ;)
[08:47] <nevyn> |trey|: ?
[08:47] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, + bachelors..
[08:47] <nevyn> thoreauputic: is that nessicary when it's a pronoun?
[08:47] <Tsjoklat> join #ubuntu and one will get grammar for free
[08:48] <|trey|> nevyn, I'm not sure what you don't understand  :(
[08:48] <Tsjoklat> as soon as I get a pretty picture like yours trey I'll let you know
[08:48] <nevyn> I have no idea what AAS is.
[08:48] <thoreauputic> nevyn: hey, I'm a fully paid up member of Pedants Anonymous  :P
[08:48] <|trey|> nevyn, Assosiates of Applied Science...
[08:48] <nevyn> thoreauputic: :)
[08:48] <Tsjoklat> trey is learning something very scary
[08:48] <Tsjoklat> and we will all learn the outcome in ten weeks time
[08:48] <|trey|> Emphasis is on Network Technology  8-)
[08:49] <nevyn> |trey|: that's not even close to what I'm doing ;) Computer systems Engineering.
[08:49] <nevyn> |trey|: it's probably simillar material by the sounds of it.
[08:49] <Tsjoklat> nevyn that is nothing compared to what I am doing: cleaning the house
[08:49] <nevyn> CCNA 1-4 it ess1-2 ccnp1 fundamentals of java...
[08:50] <Tsjoklat> try doing dishes when you just painted your nails
[08:50] <Tsjoklat> nearly impossible
[08:50] <Tsjoklat> :P
[08:50] <nevyn> Tsjoklat: without chipping them or washing it off?
[08:50] <|trey|> nevyn, I am basically studying everything you never wanted about network communication  ;)
[08:51] <Tsjoklat> either or
[08:51] <nevyn> |trey|: likewise.
[08:51] <|trey|> nevyn, one day, I plan to have my Masters or Doctorate in Network Security...
[08:51] <Tsjoklat> you'll always have work trey
[08:51] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: more fun to paint the dishes, then clean your nails ;)
[08:51] <Tsjoklat> hear hear thoreau :)
[08:51] <|trey|> But I'm going to have to make a lot of money to afford that  :)
[08:52] <ryan> heyyy
[08:52] <ryan> nautilus finally lets you use hotkeys on the desktop?! :D
[08:52] <|trey|> ryan, keyboard shortcuts have been around for as long as I can remember...
[08:52] <Tsjoklat> but you are going to make a lot of money too trey :)
[08:52] <ryan> |trey|: yes, but they didn't work on the desktop..
[08:52] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, thats the idea  ;)
[08:52] <ryan> like F2 to rename and stuff
[08:53] <ryan> they just worked within a window
[08:53] <ryan> unfortunately ctrl-l still doesn't work
[08:53] <ryan> so you have to open a window to open another window still :/
[08:53] <Tsjoklat> I'll keep my fingers crossed for you trey
[08:53] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, a person that used to come to me for help fairly often walked out with $78,000 a year entry level...
[08:54] <Tsjoklat> any of them single?
[08:54] <|trey|> I think I can live on that  ;)
[08:54] <Tsjoklat> and not all to bonkers?
[08:54] <Pizbit> hit ctrl+space on the desktop:)
[08:54] <Pizbit> Crashes nautilus tehehehe
[08:54] <nevyn> |trey|: apply to study under AST :)
[08:54] <|trey|> Its been funny though, almost every teacher I have had has asked for help about something from me... I tought my Linux teacher around Debian...
[08:54] <nevyn> |trey|: that'd be so cool...
[08:55] <|trey|> nevyn, AST?
[08:55] <GammaRay> on an rpm distro I could install a src.rpm and change a CFLAG in rpmrc. Would someone be so kind as to tell me how to do that w/ ubuntu? I'd like to recompile nautilus w/ debugging support.
[08:55] <nevyn> |trey|: my linux teacher won't be taught.
[08:55] <ryan> Pizbit: i can't get it to..
[08:55] <nevyn> so we have a horrific slack box for doing perl and cgi.
[08:55] <Tsjoklat> most system administrators are dumber then the janitor in place
[08:55] <ryan> Pizbit: you running warty or hoary
[08:55] <nevyn> |trey|: AST == Andrew Tanenbaum
[08:55] <ryan> Pizbit: i just updated to hoary, the desktop behaviour is different now
[08:55] <|trey|> nevyn, he knew I knew my shit... I showed him a few things... he showed me a few things... we were cool though, so it was ok  :)
[08:56] <|trey|> nevyn, ahh, I'm heard his name, whats he famous for?
[08:56] <|trey|> I've*
[08:56] <nevyn> |trey|: minix fighting with linus.
[08:56] <nevyn> he wrote "modern operating systems"
[08:56] <|trey|> |trey|, ahh... at MIT?  8)
[08:57] <thoreauputic> he wrote minix. he's Dutch, I believe
[08:57] <nevyn> |trey|: no. he is proffessor of computer sci in amsterdam.
[08:57] <|trey|> Never really got into the programming side though  :(   I plan on it, but I've never had enough time  :(
[08:57] <nevyn> thoreauputic: he is a american. he ran electoral-vote.com for the american election out of his own pocket.
[08:57] <|trey|> nevyn, ahh  :(
[08:58] <thoreauputic> nevyn: ah - OK I didn't know that - thought he was a Netherlander :)
[08:58] <nevyn> his systems group (as in operating systems research) is one of the top 3 in the world.
[08:58] <Tsjoklat> if it ain't Dutch.. it ain't much
[08:58] <Tsjoklat> sorry patriotic pride kicking in
[08:59] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: so what colour are your nails now? Orange ? ;-)
[08:59] <|trey|> nevyn, That would be kinda cool... seems interesting... don't even know how to go about it, let alone think I could...
[08:59] <Tsjoklat> as a matter of fact they are :)
[08:59] <Tsjoklat> true Dutch colour huh
[08:59] <thoreauputic> Patriotic indeed :)
[08:59] <nevyn> |trey|: you'd need a batcholor in some sort of compsci related field before you started.
[09:00] <nevyn> |trey|: admission is by interview.
[09:00] <|trey|> nevyn, ahh, so I've got a while still... about 18 months  :)
[09:00] <cenerentola_> hello
[09:00] <nevyn> you apply if they like you they interview you.
[09:00] <|trey|> cenerentola_, hey, need any help?
[09:00] <cenerentola_> yes as always
[09:00] <|trey|> cenerentola_, 8)
[09:01] <|trey|> cenerentola_, ask away  :)
[09:01] <Tsjoklat> thoreau is your family Dutch?
[09:01] <Tsjoklat> since you sit in OZ
[09:01] <cenerentola_> ok... yesterday night on the other warty ive done an update&&upgrade in synaptic
[09:01] <cenerentola_> ...
[09:01] <cenerentola_> all seemed to go on in a decent manner when...
[09:01] <|trey|> nevyn, you seem to be quite familier with it... for obvious reasons?
[09:02] <cenerentola_> whoaaam the shell windows appeared and it started to print error messages with dpkg...
[09:02] <cenerentola_> then gnome crashed...
[09:02] <cenerentola_> there where no entry in the menus of the top bar...
[09:02] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: no, my parents were/are Australian
[09:02] <|trey|> cenerentola_, do you happen to remember what the error says? does it mention apt-get -f install when you run apt?
[09:02] <cenerentola_> i rebooted after logging in it gave me some probs with the gconf and then re-crashed
[09:03] <|trey|> cenerentola_, ahh, that just sounds bad...
[09:03] <Tsjoklat> ah just amazing that you would know the Dutch colour
[09:03] <|trey|> cenerentola_, you remember any error's?
[09:03] <cenerentola_> i cant run aptget anymore cause it says /sbin/getty not found, or sth like it, and id5 too many respawning or sth like that
[09:03] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, orange, its on their shirts  :)
[09:04] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: why? Are OZ people supposed to be ignorant of history? :-)
[09:04] <Tsjoklat> oh football fan
[09:04] <Tsjoklat> lol nooooo
[09:04] <|trey|> cenerentola_, does it say for only terminal 2?
[09:04] <|trey|> cenerentola_, I've seen that before...
[09:04] <thoreauputic> The House of Orange etc....
[09:04] <Tsjoklat> well at least you are not telling me that Holland is the capital of Denmark
[09:05] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, huge football fan... especially of Arsenal... I almost cried when we lost  :(
[09:05] <ajmitch> Tsjoklat: most people aren't that silly :)
[09:05] <cenerentola_> what ?
[09:05] <thoreauputic> Tsjoklat: heheh - no it's the capital of Pr0n, I thought...
[09:05] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, Bergkamp 8)
[09:05] <Tsjoklat> yup and Gullit
[09:06] <cenerentola_> |trey|: stop talking about craps... and lets face that inter milan is hugely better
[09:06] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, Gullit played for Chelsea and coached them and Newcastle... Van Persie is one to watch though  :)
[09:06] <nevyn> |trey|: I'd love to do it.. but I've got buckleys of getting in *australian slang for no chance*
[09:06] <thoreauputic> !start a football war
[09:06] <cenerentola_> |trey|: what about the terminal 2 thing?
[09:06] <|trey|> cenerentola_, they used to be... they spent too much on Ronaldo and have been sorry ever since...
[09:07] <|trey|> cenerentola_, sometimes, I see terminal two won't respawn, but others are fine... I was wondering if thats the symtom?
[09:07] <cenerentola_> so... what should i do on terminal 2
[09:07] <|trey|> thoreauputic, I miss dpkg the bot  :(
[09:07] <|trey|> cenerentola_, nothing, its respawning fine though?
[09:07] <|trey|> (ie, its there to type on...)
[09:07] <thoreauputic> |trey|: ah yes, a bot would be nice..
[09:08] <cenerentola_> well ive got to restart and connect to irc from another computer
[09:08] <|trey|> thoreauputic, I said that... dpkg's database is public too... would be nice to customize one, maybe have it sync with the wiki or something  :)
[09:08] <|trey|> thoreauputic, plus some fun stuff of course  :)
[09:08] <cenerentola_> btw, when i booted on this partition it gave sth like 3,1% non-contiguous how can i fix it
[09:09] <Tsjoklat> how about ice skating?!?
[09:09] <thoreauputic> |trey|: some of the factoids are not exactly in the spirit of Ubuntu ;)
[09:09] <|trey|> cenerentola_, fsck
[09:09] <ajmitch> you could always argue about rugby
[09:13] <|trey|> thoreauputic, you can delete those then, thats fine...  :)
[09:13] <|trey|> ajmitch, rugby football = some annoying kid that wasn't allowed to play decided to steal the ball and got his ass whooped...
[09:13] <|trey|> First ever scrummage, which resulted in the first ever Rugby ball  ;)
[09:13] <ajmitch> heh :)
[09:13] <|trey|> ajmitch, I've been to the Secondary School where it happened... its about 10 mins from where I was born  :)
[09:13] <|trey|> I forget the dudes name though  :(
[09:13] <ajmitch> I've noticed an abundance of australians in here, they're probably more familiar with rugby :)
[09:13] <cenerentola> |trey|: as you see im back
[09:13] <|trey|> ajmitch, England is the current World Champions of Rugby  :)
[09:13] <ajmitch> not for long..
[09:13] <thoreauputic> ajmitch: ah - we have our own football wars between League, Union, and Australian Rules ;)
[09:13] <|trey|> cenerentola, I have join/parts turned off...
[09:13] <|trey|> cenerentola, what did you do, and did it work?
[09:13] <cenerentola> i rebooted and then it says: cannot execute /sbin/getty
[09:13] <|trey|> thoreauputic, only thing I don't get about Aussie rules... why a round field?  :o
[09:14] <cenerentola> Id 3 respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
[09:14] <ajmitch> thoreauputic: yeah, well union is the only one worth playing, right? :)
[09:14] <cenerentola> ... the same thing for id 5 and 6...
[09:14] <|trey|> cenerentola, dpkg-reconfigure getty... see if that helps at all
[09:14] <thoreauputic> |trey|: they play on cricket ovals, mostly
[09:14] <cenerentola> yep but i cant get in a shell
[09:14] <thoreauputic> |trey|: that's the reason I guess, historically
[09:14] <cenerentola> it also says "no more processes left in this runlevel"
[09:14] <|trey|> thoreauputic, my Grandfather almost went pro for Cricket... Dad for Golf...
[09:14] <|trey|> I never liked either sport  :(
[09:15] <thoreauputic> ajmitch: ex cyclist and marathon runner - wouldn't know :)
[09:15] <|trey|> thoreauputic, My Grandfathers second wife ran a lot of Marathons, she can't now though, she doesn't have the energy, too old  :(
[09:15] <|trey|> Ran her last at age 62...
[09:16] <ajmitch> thoreauputic: don't worry, I've never played rugby ;)
[09:16] <thoreauputic> |trey|: that's pretty impressive
[09:16] <|trey|> Ran 10 minute miles... not too bad for a 62 yo  :)
[09:16] <cenerentola> |trey|: plz...
[09:16] <cenerentola> i got to study
[09:16] <thoreauputic> |trey|: very good, indeed
[09:16] <|trey|> cenerentola, thats how you get my attention, I haven't even been paying attention, sorry  :(
[09:17] <|trey|> cenerentola, you have found a bug though... I have filed it in upstream, but its never been fixed...
[09:17] <daniels> |trey|: guys, offtopic
[09:17] <beans> when is the right time to ask for support
[09:18] <|trey|> daniels, questions were still being answered, its a community damnit  ;)
[09:18] <Tsjoklat> brb
[09:18] <ajmitch> daniels: yessir
[09:18] <|trey|> beans, when you're in #ubuntu  ;)
[09:18] <daniels> |trey|: yeah, but I just woke up, and I had to go through like two screens of stuff to see anything Ubuntu-relevant that actually happened
[09:18] <cenerentola> |trey|: btw what can i do... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... [crying aloud]  to
[09:18] <duke|ib> does the default ppc kernel have hfs support?
[09:18] <thoreauputic> beans: just ask :)
[09:18] <fabbione> hey daniels
[09:18] <daniels> |trey|: if you have offtopic stuff that badly needs discussing, #offtopic is a better place, instead of rendering #ubuntu useless for its stated purpose.
[09:18] <beans> ok, check it out. i get it all installed, and updated via internet... but then, it gets to the gnome splash and nothing happens. it loops the ubuntu startup drum sound. but goes nowhere.
[09:19] <|trey|> cenerentola, not much I'm affraid...
[09:19] <beans> what gives?
[09:19] <fabbione> daniels: are you still at the hotel?
[09:19] <bob2> duke|ib: yes
[09:19] <|trey|> daniels, true... how about an #ubuntu-users or something?  :)
[09:19] <duke|ib> bob2: thanks :)
[09:19] <fabbione> |trey|: this is #ubuntu-uers
[09:19] <fabbione> users even
[09:19] <cenerentola> |trey|: sorry but can i run a shell i a lower run level
[09:20] <duke|ib> always here when i need you \o/
[09:20] <beans> nobody knows?
[09:20] <|trey|> fabbione, I mean for talking to ubuntu users in general too... like a social channel...
[09:20] <bob2> #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:20] <daniels> |trey|: #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:20] <fabbione> |trey|: as bob2 said
[09:21] <|trey|> cenerentola, none of ctrl+alt+f1-6 work?
[09:21] <fabbione> daniels: take it easy to come here.. i woke up not to long ago :-)
[09:21] <cenerentola> nooooooo
[09:21] <thoreauputic> does  ppc Ubuntu support Radeon on Macs? ( just looking at some Macs in a ctalogue...)
[09:21] <fabbione> daniels: and already fixed the keyboard stuff
[09:21] <thoreauputic> *catalogue
[09:21] <beans> does anyone know?
[09:21] <daniels> fabbione: cool, yeah, haven't even had breakfast yet
[09:21] <daniels> fabbione: nice
[09:21] <|trey|> cenerentola, ahh... yeah, file a bug on getty SOON, thats bad if a lot of people get it...  :(
[09:21] <daniels> thoreauputic: yes
[09:21] <bob2> thoreauputic: yes
[09:21] <bob2> thoreauputic: it sets up dri, even, if it's supported
[09:21] <fabbione> daniels: putting up X.org on m68k for a build ...
[09:21] <|trey|> cenerentola, also, the x screens don't spawn you said?
[09:21] <thoreauputic> ahh - nice to know - thanks
[09:21] <fabbione> daniels: i need to fsck around for a few minutes ;)
[09:22] <cenerentola> ctrl-alt-f7 doesnt work
[09:22] <|trey|> cenerentola, thats just bad in warty  :(
[09:22] <cenerentola> yep but can i replace some files?
[09:23] <|trey|> cenerentola, you have another box handy? anything like sshd running?
[09:23] <cenerentola> fabbione: come and see what have you done
[09:23] <beans> should i take a number, and get help after you're done talking to cenerentola?
[09:23] <|trey|> cenerentola, from what it sounds, you have no way to do anything on that box right now, correct?
[09:23] <fabbione> cenerentola: ????
[09:23] <bob2> beans: chill out dude
[09:23] <beans> no i'm not flipping out. i'm just trying to be polite
[09:23] <bob2> beans: if some one knows, they will help you
[09:23] <cenerentola> |trey|: well ive got another warty on the same px
[09:23] <beans> don't want to interrupt.
[09:23] <bob2> beans: if not, then we're not going to have all 100 people say "no, I don't know bean"
[09:23] <|trey|> beans, ask your question again please... use my nick in reply...
[09:23] <cenerentola> ...laptop
[09:24] <bob2> beans: try asking on the list if you don't get an answer here
[09:24] <beans> tanks, i'll ask one more time
[09:24] <beans> |trey|: ok, check it out. i get it all installed, and updated via internet... but then, it gets to the gnome splash and nothing happens. it loops the ubuntu startup drum sound. but goes nowhere. what gives?
[09:24] <thoreauputic> Will MAcs work with a standard ps2 mouse for 3 button use in Linux? Or is a different connection/protocol needed? (slightly OT I know)
[09:24] <bob2> thoreauputic: macs don't have ps/2
[09:24] <fabbione> beans: is your network up?
[09:24] <bob2> thoreauputic: usb works fine
[09:24] <cenerentola> fabbione: after an update&&upgrade it says cannot execut /sbin/getty
[09:24] <beans> yes sir
[09:24] <fabbione> beans: can you check ifconfig lo ?
[09:24] <thoreauputic> bob2: OK thanks again :)
[09:24] <|trey|> cenerentola, ahh... so this is just a broken kernel?
[09:24] <beans> what would that do
[09:25] <fabbione> cenerentola: and according to your opinion, why is that my fault?
[09:25] <beans> i'd have to restart
[09:25] <beans> so i should get it all done in one fell swoop
[09:25] <cenerentola> |trey|: kernel or whatever...
[09:25] <fabbione> beans: gnome has problems to start without the localhost interface
[09:25] <|trey|> beans, not sure... what kind of video driver you have?
[09:25] <cenerentola> only that distro doesnt work
[09:25] <beans> trey: fresh install, so i'm using the default nv driver
[09:25] <fabbione> cenerentola: also.. are you running hoary?
[09:26] <cenerentola> fabbione: warty for live
[09:26] <cenerentola> ...life
[09:26] <|trey|> beans, check module, also check X's log, and make sure /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 looks right...
[09:26] <cenerentola> .. no its just a warty that collapsed after a smart upgrade
[09:26] <fabbione> |trey|: gnome that hangs has nothing to do with X
[09:26] <fabbione> |trey|: otherwise gdm wouldn't start at all
[09:26] <beans> trey: how can i do that, when i can't get into gnome? how do i start a terminal
[09:26] <beans> i'm a real noob
[09:27] <fabbione> cenerentola: there have been no updates to warty other than security.
[09:27] <|trey|> fabbione, hmm, my bad... just I thought gdm errors would still be in there...
[09:27] <fabbione> beans: ctrl+alt+f1
[09:27] <fabbione> |trey|: no.
[09:27] <beans> thanks kids
[09:27] <beans> i'll check everything out
[09:27] <cenerentola> reality says.. that it broke after the smart upgrade
[09:27] <fabbione> beans: once you are there you can login
[09:27] <fabbione> beans: and check what is happening
[09:27] <|trey|> fabbione, I need to start paying more attention to what isn't directed at me  :(
[09:27] <cenerentola> and now says id 1-6 respawning too fast
[09:27] <beans> fabbione: thank'ee
[09:28] <cenerentola> cannot execute /sbin/getty
[09:28] <beans> and trey too
[09:28] <cenerentola> |trey|:??????????????????????'
[09:28] <|trey|> cenerentola, yes, I've seen that before... try typing "reset", you won't see the text more then likely though, then hit enter...
[09:28] <fabbione> |trey|: no problem.. little hint (if you allow me)
[09:28] <bob2> lonetree: just ask your question
[09:28] <fabbione> |trey|: check yourself on your working machine before giving the hint here ;)
[09:29] <lonetree> what is the file i need to edit to change grub boot menu
[09:29] <fabbione> |trey|: feel free to tell me to go to hell :P
[09:29] <lonetree> ?
[09:29] <cenerentola> menu.lst in /boot/grub
[09:29] <|trey|> fabbione, I usually do if I am not sure... I was pretty sure though, just am wrong   :(
[09:29] <lonetree> tnx
[09:29] <cenerentola> well ppl where should i run reset
[09:29] <fabbione> |trey|: ;)
[09:29] <cenerentola> if i cant get into a shell?
[09:29] <fabbione> cenerentola: ctrl+alt+delete
[09:29] <cenerentola> there's no x server to shut down
[09:30] <|trey|> fabbione, if I told you to "go to hell" you likely would give advice again, and I won't learn... thats no good  ;)
[09:30] <fabbione> |trey|: i am used to everything.. even worst that that :)
[09:31] <cenerentola> hey... but what could it be
[09:31] <|trey|> s/would/wouldn't/
[09:31] <cenerentola> "no more processes left in this runlevel"
[09:31] <fabbione> cenerentola: it is a known kernel race condition problem
[09:31] <cenerentola> so?
[09:31] <cenerentola> mind that ive another warty installed on the same laptop
[09:31] <|trey|> cenerentola, you have another Ubuntu, just disregard this one, its gone to shit pretty much  ;)
[09:32] <cenerentola> i cant...
[09:32] <cenerentola> ive spent hours to get it up and running.. with all the settings
[09:32] <Pizbit> Heh
[09:32] <cenerentola> all the mails...
[09:32] <cenerentola> i need them
[09:32] <|trey|> cenerentola, well, but getty seems to have put to back behind where you were...
[09:33] <|trey|> s/to/you/
[09:33] <lonetree> does anyone know what to do if you don't get your laptops touchpad recognized automatically? i also tried connecting a ps/2 one but i doesn't get automatically recognized either. i got to remove it and plug it back in...
[09:33] <cenerentola> ok... getty... could we replace it
[09:33] <fabbione> cenerentola: if you have 2 warty installs, you can just copy the data from one to another
[09:33] <|trey|> lonetree, is it a synaptics touchpad?
[09:33] <cenerentola> can you help in that?
[09:33] <|trey|> lonetree, apt-cache search touchpad
[09:34] <lonetree> i don't know
[09:34] <lonetree> how do i look at it?
[09:34] <fabbione> lonetree: there is an open bug for it... let me check bugzilla.. just a second
[09:34] <|trey|> cenerentola, I can't think of a way to, no... you could mount other Ubuntu, and copy over the getty .deb, thats all I can think of...
[09:35] <cenerentola> so i should replace the getty?
[09:35] <fabbione> lonetree: check also this bug: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1268
[09:35] <Mestapheles> Zandile, in the Light of the Ubuntu
[09:35] <thoreauputic> cenerentola: do you have a network? I'd back up your data with a live CD, then attempt repairs
[09:35] <cenerentola> it also says "cannot execute /sbion/shutdown"... what id like to know is:
[09:35] <fabbione> cenerentola: replacing getty will not help anything
[09:35] <cenerentola> it cant because there's not shutdown or why then?
[09:36] <lonetree> well the wndoze xp install on it mentions it as an alps pointing device...
[09:36] <fabbione> cenerentola: did you use any strange filesystem?
[09:36] <cenerentola> xfs.. or reiserf
[09:36] <cenerentola> s
[09:36] <|trey|> cenerentola, what did typing 'reset' do on the terminal?
[09:36] <fabbione> cenerentola: probably the fs is corrupted than
[09:36] <fabbione> lonetree: ahh... hmmmm alps..
[09:36] <cenerentola> |trey| what therminal?
[09:36] <fabbione> lonetree: hold on a sec...
[09:37] <|trey|> cenerentola, any that aren't respawning, just type it on one and hit enter... you won't see the text or it might look funky kinda...
[09:37] <thoreauputic> |trey|: I don't think he can get a shell - so that wouldn't help
[09:37] <cenerentola> they're all respawning
[09:37] <cornflake> how do i get the ./configure to detect my X server?
[09:37] <|trey|> thoreauputic, it basically tries what init will try manually...
[09:37] <lonetree> my ubuntu is the "Warty Warthog" version... just got it off a magazine. It's COOL... I like it a lot
[09:38] <Pizbit> cornflake: Erm, you mean you need the xlibs dev package?
[09:38] <fabbione> lonetree: check the X configuration provided here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2396
[09:38] <|trey|> thoreauputic, go type that on a terminal, it restarts getty...  :)
[09:38] <thoreauputic> |trey|: OK :)
[09:38] <fabbione> lonetree: tht will help you setting up the alps device
[09:38] <cornflake> Pizbit: i'm pretty sure i have that...
[09:38] <cenerentola> yep but ive not terminal working
[09:38] <lonetree> if you can help get the touchpad working i'll be grateful...
[09:38] <Pizbit> cornflake: Because asking it to detect your x server doesn't sound like what you actually need.
[09:38] <lonetree> i'll check it out
[09:38] <fabbione> cornflake: it depends what headers the ./configure is searching for
[09:39] <|trey|> cenerentola, there is just a blinking line or simular with the error at the bottem right?
[09:39] <cenerentola> so ppl how can i copy the evolution settings and mbox
[09:39] <cenerentola> no there's a still line with no more processes left in this runlevel
[09:39] <|trey|> cenerentola, I've seen a terminal not able to respawn before... its an issue with inittab, reset fixes it sometimes...
[09:39] <fabbione> cenerentola: mostlikely they are in /home/<username>/
[09:39] <thoreauputic> cenerentola: try a live cd to copy your stuff to another box
[09:39] <cornflake> fabbione: i see
[09:39] <fabbione> |trey|: no it's a race condition in the kernel :(((((
[09:40] <fabbione> we have spend 2 days trying to debugging and isolating it
[09:40] <|trey|> fabbione, ahh... didn't know that  :(
[09:40] <cenerentola> so i wont be able to boot it again?
[09:41] <fabbione> |trey|: it gave mdz, lamont and me quite a huge headacke :-)
[09:41] <|trey|> fabbione, reproduce: log into and out of terminal 2 like 20 times in a row, its always slow, then eventually one fails  :)
[09:41] <fabbione> |trey|: yes.. reset is a possibility to get it fixed breaking the loop
[09:41] <fabbione> |trey|: correct
[09:41] <fabbione> that happens on all terminal other than console 0
[09:42] <|trey|> fabbione, I've generally been able to work on the others, just not alt+2
[09:42] <fabbione> |trey|: it depends.. to me it happens sometimes on 3 and 4
[09:42] <|trey|> 2 is the most reproducable, definatly... would be nice to see it fixed finally  :)
[09:43] <fabbione> but it will never happen on console 0 ;)
[09:43] <fabbione> (or alt+f1)
[09:43] <|trey|> fabbione, I was just about to ask if you meant alt+f1  :)
[09:43] <|trey|> yes, true, doesn't make much sense  :(
[09:44] <fabbione> |trey|: ;)
[09:45] <|trey|> fabbione, if I had #debian logs, I could see when that was... I brought it up there... bob2 told me to file it in the BTS  8)
[09:46] <|trey|> You could look at what they changed to make it start happening perhaps if you looked at recent changes to then?
[09:48] <steve2> Anyone in here use (or interested in) the Personal Software Process? I'm contamplating doing my next Honours presentation on the fusion of the PSP with an open source development model. Input is welcome. :)
[09:48] <cenerentola> it all started with a dpkg error
[09:49] <|trey|> cenerentola, which you still haven't told us... you likely recently updated getty though...
[09:50] <|trey|> cenerentola, looks like the devs (like fabbione) are busy trying to ensure it gets fixed though, sorry for your inconvenience  :(
[09:51] <cenerentola> |trey|: i told you that about 100 times
[09:52] <|trey|> cenerentola, well, until its fixed, there really isn't much that can be done, I've said that a few times too...
[09:52] <Agabus> hello all
[09:52] <|trey|> Agabus, hey, need any help?
[09:53] <Agabus> lol hey trey, nah actually i'm just bored actually n been interested in this new Ubuntu distro recently n thought i'd pop in
[09:53] <Pizbit> Agabus: Whatchyawaitinfor?
[09:53] <|trey|> Agabus, #ubuntu-offtopic  :)
[09:53] <Agabus> pizbit: wat u mean?
[09:53] <Pizbit> Agabus: Install it already:)
[09:53] <Agabus> lol oh nah i'm waiting for the free cds
[09:54] <|trey|> Agabus, no burner?  :(
[09:54] <Agabus> yeh i got one, but i figured, i ordered the cds already so i may aswell just use them wen they arrive
[09:54] <Agabus> u guys all runnin ubuntu?
[09:55] <|trey|> Agabus, I ordered the CD's too, but then I couldn't wait... I was going to try Fedora Core 3, but I just wasted a few hours trying to make it like Ubuntu, so it didn't stay long...
[09:55] <Zindar> Agabus: of course
[09:55] <Agabus> lol
[09:55] <Agabus> is FC3 out already?
[09:56] <|trey|> Agabus, I used Rawhide... not entirely sure... thats offtopic though...
[09:57] <Agabus> wats rawhide?
[09:57] <Agabus> argh fuk it i'll just download it ay, i'm so anxious :D
[09:57] <Elwood> rawhide? it's a song of the film of blues' borthers
[09:58] <Agabus> lol
[09:59] <|trey|> Agabus, #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:59] <|trey|> Agabus, (no really)
[10:00] <|trey|> ugh, I swear its a channel  ;)
[10:00] <Agabus> lol fine
[10:00] <Agabus> cya'll
[10:07] <|trey|> daniels, ;)
[10:25] <vinic> hi all! (wow, lotta people here!) I just entered the ubuntu community!
[10:25] <Pizbit> hehe
[10:25] <vinic> and you know what?
[10:25] <vinic> I'm happy
[10:26] <vinic> :)
[10:26] <lonetree> does anyone know how to make ALPS touchpad on laptop work?
[10:27] <|trey|> lonetree, I told you more then an hour ago "apt-cache search touchpad"... you would have seen tpconfig... touchpad config... try it...
[10:27] <|trey|> http://compass.com/synaptics/
[10:28] <lonetree> sorry i lost that..
[10:28] <|trey|> This page contains the Linux driver (tpconfig) for the Synaptics Touchpad and ALPS Glidepad/Stickpointer.
[10:28] <lonetree> someone provided a link and i was checking it out
[10:28] <lonetree> but its covers external wacom tablets...
[10:29] <vinic> has anyone installed ubuntu on a DELL laptop?
[10:29] <|trey|> ok... you probably need xfree-drivers-synaptics and tpconfig... both from apt-cache search touchpad...
[10:30] <bob2> vinic: lots of people
[10:31] <|trey|> vinic, such questions aren't useful... tell us your problem, and we will try to help fix it  :)
[10:31] <lonetree> running apt-cache shows xfree86-driver-synaptics
[10:31] <lonetree> what files should i get does warthog support rpms?
[10:31] <|trey|> bob2, tpconfig not in warty, you know?
[10:32] <|trey|> lonetree, yes, use alien though to create .deb's from the .rpm
[10:32] <lonetree> where do i get that?
[10:32] <|trey|> lonetree, installed by default  ;)
[10:32] <mb4guns> installer hangs on i386, 166Mhz mmx, 96mb ram
[10:32] <|trey|> lonetree, to comply with lsb  :)
[10:33] <lonetree> lsb?
[10:33] <vinic> ok dudes
[10:33] <|trey|> mb4guns, where does it hang?
[10:33] <vinic> sorry to bother you
[10:33] <|trey|> lonetree, Linus Standards Base
[10:33] <|trey|> Linux
[10:33] <vinic> I havent any problems yet
[10:33] <Matt|> vinic it's ok
[10:33] <Matt|> vinic, don't get scared off!
[10:33] <vinic> :)
[10:33] <vinic> no problem
[10:33] <mb4guns> gimme a sec
[10:33] <lonetree> so i got tpconfig do i need synaptics as well?
[10:34] <vinic> just dowloading ubuntu and wanted to be sure there's no HORIBBLE things with those laptops
[10:34] <|trey|> lonetree, probably, I'd install it anyways, won't do you any harm...
[10:34] <vinic> see?
[10:34] <Matt|> vinic, sure
[10:35] <lonetree> so i get the 2 rpms turn em into debs with alien and how do i install em(im a n00b)?
[10:35] <Matt|> vinic, have a look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[10:36] <|trey|> sudo dpkg -i *.deb from /where/you/put/them
[10:36] <Matt|> vinic, there are a few dells on there
[10:36] <lonetree> ok but the site says i can't do it with X so how do i stop X?
[10:36] <mb4guns> |trey|, it hangs after scanning the cdrom
[10:36] <bob2> vinic: there are some known issues on dell laptpos
[10:37] <|trey|> lonetree, /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[10:37] <lonetree> is that a command?
[10:37] <Pizbit> |trey|: I can't remember if that stops X or not?
[10:37] <|trey|> lonetree, yup
[10:37] <Pizbit> lonetree: yes
[10:37] <|trey|> Pizbit, it does, try it... then start to start it  :)
[10:37] <Pizbit> |trey|: But my gnome-terminal will have gone@!?! *grin*
[10:38] <lonetree> so after X starts i can alt-ctrl-f2 and use that to stop it
[10:38] <vinic> thank you guys! gotta go back to work...
[10:38] <Pizbit> You can login to F1-F6 ya know:)
[10:38] <vinic> you'll see me there soon! ;)
[10:38] <|trey|> Pizbit, startx -- :1  (I think)
[10:38] <Matt|> vinic, nice to meet ya
[10:38] <mb4guns> it hangs after scanning the cdrom
[10:39] <|trey|> Pizbit, should give you another instance of gdm on ctrl+alt+f8
[10:39] <vinic> ty
[10:39] <vinic> bye
[10:39] <Pizbit> |trey|: Easier to run gdmflexiserver
[10:39] <Pizbit> Or click through the applications menu :)
[10:40] <lonetree> well i got no mouse...
[10:40] <|trey|> Pizbit, not sure what that is... what I said is universal though, doesn't matter what you are using so long as it uses X...
[10:40] <lonetree> thanks folks i'll keep on trying... c ya!
[10:40] <|trey|> lonetree, I hate when that happens  :(
[10:40] <Pizbit> |trey|: Just another gdm login screen
[10:41] <mb4guns> actually after it scanned the cdrom the hdd goes trrrrrr for a while then Klik stops, nothing happends
[10:41] <|trey|> lonetree, dpkg-reconfigure debconf > set to low priority... then dpkg-reconfigure tpconfig, more to config though... then reconfigure debconf back to high...
[10:42] <Adrenal> does ubuntu have an ntfs driver?
[10:42] <mb4guns> any other recommendation to a server distro ?
[10:42] <|trey|> Pizbit, ahh, I wasn't thinking, would stop both instances of gdm afaik...
[10:43] <mb4guns> debian just plain sux, to many blockers in testing
[10:43] <|trey|> Adrenal, there is one around that is read-write... I forget what its called though... likely to be packaged on www.apt-get.org though...
[10:43] <Pizbit> |trey|: I can't be bothered finding out.
[10:43] <Adrenal> cheers
[10:44] <|trey|> Pizbit, haha.. but yeah... /etc/init.d/gdm stop does indeed stop X...
[10:44] <ryan> heh
[10:44] <|trey|> Pizbit, simularly to /etc/init.d/sshd stop stopping sshd  ;)
[10:45] <Pizbit> |trey|: Funny that eh? :)
[10:45] <|trey|> Pizbit, and /etc/init.d/networking stop stopping network... yup its a pattern  :)
[10:45] <Pizbit> We must be on to something!
[10:45] <|trey|> 8)
[10:46] <|trey|> beats the heck out of stoping them all every time  :(
[10:46] <Pizbit> killall -9 gdm has more satisfaction though
[10:46] <|trey|> Pizbit, will respawn
[10:46] <Pizbit> Didn't last time.
[10:47] <|trey|> hmm, it argues with me  :'(
[10:47] <|trey|> I always win though   *nods*
[10:49] <lhb> i have a finnisk keymap, which work in X
[10:49] <lhb> finnish
[10:49] <Matt|> how can i add a comment to a wiki? is there a guide to adding to wikis?
[10:49] <|trey|> Matt|, you sign up, then you go to the 'edit' link at the top...
[10:49] <lhb> when i alt-f1, the keymap in the console is still us
[10:50] <Matt|> |trey|, oh i see it, thanks
[10:50] <lhb> loadkeys fi-latin1 change that but how to make it permanent?
[10:50] <|trey|> lhb, change locale for console-common, dpkg-reconfigure console-common...
[10:50] <|trey|> lhb, which reminds me, I need to do that...
[10:50] <ubll> Could someone link me to a good guide for installing Java?
[10:51] <lhb> |trey|: cheers
[10:51] <sid77> yeah
[10:51] <sid77> ubll, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[10:52] <ubll> Phew, looks like a mess of an install. Oh well, welcome to Linux right? :)
[10:52] <|trey|> ubll, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java/view?searchterm=Java
[10:52] <lhb> |trey|: do you need to tell the keymap too?
[10:53] <|trey|> lhb, yes... to UTF-8 on hoary...
[10:53] <|trey|> lhb, ahh... wait... but yes... thats in there too though I believe?
[10:53] <Matt|> what happens if two people try and modify a wiki at the same time? does it include both their changes?
[10:54] <|trey|> Matt|, it would try to merge the changes, yes...
[10:54] <|trey|> Matt|, rarely will people be editing the same text though
[10:54] <Matt|> yeah guess so
[10:54] <Matt|> great wiki pages
[10:55] <|trey|> Matt|, I enjoy them, some mistakes I have noticed, but you can correct them, so its nice  :)
[10:55] <Matt|> |trey|, nice that everyone can add their problems
[10:56] <Matt|> hopefully we can increase ubuntu hardware support
[10:56] <lonetree> |trey|: it don't work...
[10:57] <lhb> |trey|: it says : looking for keymap to install : none
[10:57] <bob2> hm, a friend of mine is installing on a toilet seat ibook and the "gnome settings daemon could not start"
[10:57] <|trey|> lonetree, same with 'locales'
[10:58] <lonetree> what?
[10:58] <|trey|> bob2, tell it to start again... gnome-settings-daemon  :)  should be in path
[10:59] <|trey|> s/should/is
[10:59] <lonetree> what do i do if tpconfig says no synaptics device found?
[10:59] <|trey|> lonetree, install it  ;)
[11:00] <lonetree> how? did i do something wrong?
[11:00] <|trey|> lonetree, you installed xfree86-drivers-synaptics?
[11:00] <lonetree> ain't that default?
[11:00] <daniels> |trey|: installed per default
[11:01] <daniels> lonetree: then it means you don't have a synaptics touchpad
[11:01] <lonetree> i never said i did. it says its alps not synaptics...
[11:02] <|trey|> daniels, http://compass.com/synaptics/ states "This page contains the Linux driver (tpconfig) for the Synaptics Touchpad and ALPS Glidepad/Stickpointer."... he said he had am ALPS touchpad...
[11:02] <|trey|> daniels, thats pretty much where he is at...
[11:03] <daniels> |trey|: oh, ALPS
[11:03] <|trey|> daniels, minus the patches I guess apparently...
[11:03] <daniels> yeah, we don't have proper ALPS support yet, sorry
[11:03] <daniels> there's a bug open which I think I have about that, should be fixed in Hoary fairly soon
[11:03] <|trey|> daniels, that page lists patches though  ;)
[11:04] <lonetree> so there is nonthing that can be done?
[11:04] <lonetree> what is Hoary?
[11:04] <Matt|> lonetree, it is the next version of ubuntu
[11:04] <lonetree> will it be out soon?
[11:04] <|trey|> lonetree, you can apply patches and recompile your kernel... if you can't follow http://compass.com/synaptics/ though, then I can't be of help  :(
[11:05] <Matt|> lonetree, no
[11:05] <daniels> |trey|: yeah
[11:05] <Matt|> lonetree, well it depends on your definition of soon
[11:05] <daniels> lonetree: not until April, but you can start tracking the development branch earlier if you like
[11:05] <lonetree> what do you mean if i can't follw compass.com/synaptics
[11:05] <|trey|> lonetree, if it seems too complicated etc...
[11:06] <|trey|> lonetree, recompiling a kernel isn't really easy enless you know your hardware... but its the only way to get your touchpad working currently... its up to you  :(
[11:06] <lonetree> there's pretty much nothing but the dls on there.
[11:06] <lonetree> well prob is i don't know the hardware exactly.
[11:06] <Matt|> we should lodge a bug if the touchpad isn't supported on ubuntu
[11:07] <lonetree> ain't there a way to add a module/patch for that and leave everything else untouched
[11:07] <|trey|> daniels, ahh, I'm high.. thats 2.2.x... seems like it should have gotten in by now?  :o
[11:07] <lonetree> ?
[11:07] <|trey|> lonetree, module, yes, patch, no
[11:08] <Matt|> ah the bug is open?
[11:08] <Matt|> cool
[11:08] <daniels> yeah, I opened it and it might well be assigned to me too
[11:08] <Matt|> great
[11:08] <lonetree> i don't know if this reallly helps but i've had this with other distros as well. some work by default others don't
[11:08] <Matt|> lonetree, :(
[11:09] <|trey|> daniels, hoping someone else will instead? or don't have a touchpad?
[11:09] <daniels> |trey|: i don't have a touchpad, but it was filed before the warty release, and since then I've sort of been busy quashing RC bugs for warty, working absolutely insanely crazy on X packages, and doing the hoary merge
[11:09] <|trey|> well wait, if you found the bug, I take the second part back...
[11:10] <daniels> something about regular 14-hour days packaging X
[11:10] <Matt|> daniels, you are doing the xorg packages?
[11:10] <daniels> Matt|: fabbione and I are doing them, yes
[11:10] <lonetree> is it possible that the problem is only caused by a module(s)?
[11:11] <lonetree> is it possible i could get the module from a working distro and somehow insert it into ubuntu?
[11:11] <Matt|> lonetree, you might be able to build the module
[11:11] <|trey|> daniels, wow  :)  see you could be fixing, while people like me look for faults... would make life easier for you if debugging is enlightening  :)
[11:11] <Matt|> don't get it from another distro tho
[11:11] <lonetree> how?
[11:11] <Matt|> lonetree, it is fairly difficult
[11:11] <daniels> Matt|: hm?
[11:11] <lonetree> i see...
[11:12] <Matt|> lonetree, i'm looking for a guide on the ubuntu website
[11:12] <lonetree> well is usb mouse support ok in ubuntu. i got a logitech usb wireless for notebooks which i can use.
[11:13] <Cred> Atleast my MS :( Intellimouse works fine (it's USB)
[11:13] <|trey|> Matt|, daniels = Daniel Stone of Freedesktop.org... I'd say he's a pretty good candidate for packaging X for Ubuntu  :)
[11:13] <Matt|> |trey|, did someone interpret what I said as criticism? I gave him a cookie
[11:13] <Matt|> i was trying to show appreciation
[11:14] <karevoll> lonetree: usb = fine
[11:14] <|trey|> Matt|, ahh, no, I was just being sarcastic about having to ask, don't mind me  :)
[11:15] <Matt|> lonetree, there is a brief indication of what you need to install in order to compile a kernel module here: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/compile-kernel-module
[11:15] <|trey|> Matt|, if you think its too brief, add more  ;)
[11:16] <Matt|> |trey|, erm
[11:16] <Matt|> |trey|, i don't regard myself as competent
[11:16] <Matt|> it depends on the module anyway i guess
[11:16] <|trey|> Everyone that has problems not covered on the wiki should add more  :)
[11:16] <Matt|> |trey|, i agree, but perhaps in this case it is not appropriate
[11:17] <Matt|> lonetree, basically what you do is, install those packages mentioned on that site, download the kernel driver, and compile it according to instructions
[11:17] <lonetree> well the mouse kinda works...
[11:17] <eim> Where can I find an online tool/website for seeing all available Ubuntu packages and versions, like the Debian.org packages interface (http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages)? Thanks.
[11:17] <|trey|> Matt|, if you think it needs more info, its appropriate, it needs to be entirely clear to everyone to be useful...
[11:17] <Matt|> |trey|, what do you think about that page? i'm not sure
[11:18] <bob2> eim: all 2000?
[11:18] <Matt|> eim, i'm not sure, good question
[11:18] <eim> bob2: Well, not all but at least the one I'm looking for.
[11:18] <|trey|> Matt|,  "brief indication of what you need" leads me to believe you think it could be clearer?
[11:18] <Matt|> bob2, he is right there should be one
[11:18] <eim> Matt|: Could be an usefull online tool.
[11:18] <bob2> there is one
[11:19] <Matt|> bob2, ah. saying "all 2000?" seemed to suggest that there wasn't one. Could you give us the url it would be really useful!
[11:19] <bob2> well, there's not
[11:19] <bob2> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/package-list
[11:20] <bob2> something like packages.d.o is handy, tho
[11:20] <bob2> and if you're running ubuntu, you have the list of packages already
[11:20] <|trey|> bob2, I still go there to see whats new, old habbits die hard  :)
[11:20] <Matt|> |trey|, no not necessarily. I think that maybe it is the right length for what it tries to achieve. It will not be enough to solve lonetrees problem tho. I guess the extra info needed depends on what you are trying to recompile
[11:20] <bob2> |trey|: that's what aptitude -> new packages is for
[11:21] <phill> Hi, How can I 'mount' a cue/bin image file?
[11:21] <bob2> you can't
[11:21] <bob2> you can convert it to a useful format with bchunk, tho
[11:21] <phill> bchunk?
[11:21] <|trey|> bob2, eh, you always tried to push aptitude, I never liked it though... I did try to use it... synaptics is much better if I am not using apt...
[11:21] <Matt|> bob2, i think it would be a good resource for people investigating ubuntu to have a list of packages. I take your point tho
[11:21] <bob2> phill: apt-cache show bchunk
[11:22] <phill>  files list file for package `evms-ncurses' is missing final newline
[11:22] <phill> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:22] <bob2> Matt|: if they're basing their decision on whether a package is in ubuntu, they've already lost
[11:22] <bob2> "is $foo in ubuntu?" "yes.
[11:22] <bob2> "
[11:22] <|trey|> s/apt/apt-[cache,get] 
[11:22] <Matt|> bob2, as it says on that website you posted: "In the future, a website will be provided which lists all of the available software."
[11:22] <phill> what does that mean?
[11:22] <Matt|> bob2, ubuntu has all possible packages?
[11:23] <bob2> Matt|: anything thatmatters, yes
[11:23] <|trey|> Matt|, far from it, that would just be insane... Debian is the closest thing to every possible package though... Ubuntu doesn't contain the entire Debian archive however...
[11:23] <phill> what does that error about evms-ncurese mean?
[11:24] <bob2> Matt|: http://egads.ertius.org/ubuntu_packages.txt
[11:24] <bob2> enjoy it's uselessness
[11:24] <|trey|> phill, evms is obsolete...
[11:24] <Matt|> bob2, it is strange to say anything that matters
[11:24] <Matt|> The requested URL /ubuntu_packages.txt was not found on this server.
[11:24] <phill> so why am i getting an error for it? i can't apt-get anything
[11:24] <bob2> Matt|: can you name a useful bit of Free Software that's not in Debian?
[11:24] <Mithrandir> bob2: nx.
[11:24] <bob2> Matt|: http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/ubuntu_packages.txt, oops
[11:25] <bob2> Mithrandir: ITP'd!
[11:25] <|trey|> bob2, define "useful"
[11:25] <Matt|> bob2, i am no expert, but |trey| has said that not everything that is in debian is in ubuntu
[11:25] <Mithrandir> bob2: I know. :)
[11:25] <phill> when i try and remove evms-ncurses, it give me the same error :(
[11:25] <bob2> Matt|: very little is in debian but not ubuntu
[11:25] <|trey|> bob2, mostly things from contrib are absent... (in relation to what Matt| said)
[11:25] <phill> maybe i need to get whatever superceded evms-ncurses?
[11:25] <Matt|> bob2, perhaps we can add a link to that FAQ to that package listing?
[11:26] <|trey|> phill, what is the error?
[11:26] <bob2> phill: something ate your file list
[11:26] <bob2> phill: no
[11:26] <phill> (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing ubuntu-base (--remove):
[11:26] <phill>  files list file for package `evms-ncurses' is missing final newline
[11:26] <Matt|> |trey|, scroll up ^6 ;)
[11:26] <phill> my filelist?
[11:27] <bob2> Matt|: I'll put it on people.u.o first
[11:27] <Matt|> bob2, ok thanks
[11:27] <phill> any idea how i can make it stop eating my 'file list' ?
[11:28] <Matt|> phill, i have no idea sorry
[11:28] <bob2> phill: add a newline to the end of /var/lib/dpkg/info/evms-ncurses.list
[11:28] <bob2> purge and reinstall it
[11:28] <bob2> I would guess minor disk corruption
[11:28] <bob2> Matt|: is that list actually useful?
[11:28] <bob2> Matt|: given that nayone running ubuntu can derive it with one line of sh?
[11:28] <Matt|> bob2, i was looking for one before i installed ubuntu
[11:29] <phill> what is a new line?
[11:29] <|trey|> bob2, please, whenever I am helping someone that you are too, be like |trey|: shut up, thanks  ;)
[11:29] <Matt|> phill, carriage return at the end
[11:29] <bob2> phill: the enter key
[11:29] <|trey|> bob2, or like |trey| I've got it, thanks  *nods*, thats more polite  8)
[11:30] <phill> how do i purge/reinstall?
[11:30] <Matt|> can anyone tell me how to allow people to view my directory contents on the www under apache?
[11:30] <|trey|> phill, apt-get install --reinstall or dpkg -P
[11:30] <phill> now i get files list file for package `evms-ncurses' contains empty filename
[11:31] <bob2> Matt|: that is enabled by default
[11:31] <bob2> phill: put that file up online somewhere
[11:31] <phill> its ok, i think i had too many returns
[11:31] <bob2> ah, the dpkg maintainer himself
[11:32] <|trey|> phill, dpkg --force-all -P evms-ncurses would ensure it goes... not advised though, may break other things...
[11:32] <phill> thanks, all good now, thankyou :)
[11:32] <Matt|> bob2, it is not enabled by default on my rig
[11:32] <eim> Are there anywhere some CD covers to print for self-burned Warty CDs? Thanks.
[11:32] <Keybuk> bob2: eep, *hides*
[11:32] <bob2> Matt|: is there a index.html file in that dir?
[11:32] <Matt|> bob2, do you know how to enable it
[11:32] <Matt|> bob2, no
[11:33] <Brooman> any cdrecord experts available?
[11:33] <Matt|> phill, :)
[11:33] <ubll> Anyone tried Yoper?
[11:34] <bob2> ubll: the people in #yoper probably have
[11:34] <bob2> Brooman: just ask your question
[11:34] <|trey|> Keybuk, you = Scott James Remnant? thank you for my friend dpkg  :)
[11:34] <bob2> Matt|: what is in that directory?
[11:34] <phill> bchunk looks to be working, thanks heaps bob2, Matt| and |trey| :)
[11:34] <Matt|> bob2, i am thinking of a documents directory and also an images directory
[11:34] <Keybuk> |trey|: yes, which is why it was particularly amusing when you were arguing with me about whether .debs had headers in them or not the other week <g>
[11:35] <|trey|> Keybuk, ahh, yes, sorry about that  *runs away*
[11:35] <Keybuk> oh, I wouldn't worry about it.  I'm frequently wrong too, I just make sure anyone who saw is ... elminated
[11:35] <Brooman> cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus produces this..Warning: The related Linux kernel interface code seems to be unmaintained.Warning: There is absolutely NO DMA, operations thus are slow. I am running a 2.6.9 kernel. I get the same thing when issuing the command as root also..i have dma enabled...any ideas on how to fix this?
[11:36] <daniels> Keybuk: i saw it
[11:36] <diavolo> does someone use the amarok music player with ubuntu ?
[11:36] <|trey|> diavolo, I tried it with Debian, never Ubuntu due to liking Rhythmbox anyways...
[11:37] <Pizbit> diavolo: I do
[11:37] <|trey|> Apparently it supports .pls though now, so maybe I will try it again...
[11:37] <bob2> Brooman: don't use -scanbus
[11:38] <bob2> Brooman: you know where your cd drive is, just use it
[11:38] <j^> bob2 you get it than using xcdroast etc
[11:38] <Brooman> bob2, why would it be bitching about dma not being enabled?
[11:38] <bob2> Brooman: just don't use scanbus at all
[11:38] <diavolo> i ve installed all the dependeces using the list on the debian site, and amarok and amarok-streamer using dpkg -i
[11:38] <ryan> does ubuntu do something to exectuting binaries on nfs shares
[11:38] <bob2> Brooman: cdrecord warnings are on crack because jeorge schilling hates linux and ide
[11:39] <ryan> all my binaries on my nfs share say permission denied now...
[11:39] <diavolo> now synaptic doesnt wnat to install/upgrade because of "borken packages"
[11:39] <ryan> but i'm the owner, and the permissions are set correctly
[11:39] <ryan> and i mounted it the same way i mounted it before
[11:39] <Pizbit> diavolo: Er, no idea, I did it via cvs
[11:39] <ryan> so whats up :p
[11:39] <j^> bob2 so someone should patch cdrecord in ubuntu/debian
[11:39] <Pizbit> diavolo: Most of the packages needed for it are in universe anyway
[11:40] <bob2> j^: probably
[11:40] <Treenaks> j^: no, someone should finish libburn ;)
[11:40] <diavolo> i think it s because my bad knowlege of debain pachage system ...
[11:40] <bob2> j^: but then jeorge whinges about that
[11:40] <Brooman> bob2, is there any real advantage to burning without scsi emu? might just go back to that.
[11:40] <bob2> diavolo: you're using hoary?
[11:40] <diavolo>  ve installed all but amarok itself from the ubuntu repestori
[11:40] <bob2> Brooman: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc foo.iso
[11:40] <j^> Treenaks i agree with your, but will that ever happen?
[11:40] <bob2> Brooman: ide-scsi in 2.6 is broken-ish, if it works it's by chance
[11:41] <Brooman> bob2, ok
[11:41] <Pizbit> diavolo: Did you manually find the .debs instead of enabling universe?
[11:41] <bob2> Brooman: also, using ide directly means you can do dma and such
[11:41] <Pizbit> Just being clear;)
[11:41] <phill> does this mean my kernel doesn't support loopback for mounting images?? could not find any device /dev/loop#
[11:41] <Telep> Hello there
[11:42] <diavolo> ubuntu 4.10, i ve found everything i need in universe, exept amarok itself, so i used the debian package
[11:42] <Pizbit> And it installed?
[11:43] <cardador> phill: add loop to /etc/modules
[11:43] <Pizbit> 4.10?
[11:43] <|trey|> Keybuk, you develop debians apt too? Considering making it possible to use librpm and libdpkg able to use a common archive etc, is that even possible? would be a truly "Advanced Package Tool" then  :)
[11:43] <|trey|> s/Considering/Considered/*
[11:43] <bob2> phill: modprobe loop
[11:43] <Pizbit> Month.Year, argh!
[11:43] <bob2> Pizbit: 4.10
[11:43] <Keybuk> |trey|: no, mdz develops APT
[11:44] <Matt|> can anyone help me with apache?
[11:44] <Keybuk> there already is an apt-rpm, but it doesn't work very well because the RPM format doesn't have as rich dependency semantic as dpkg
[11:45] <Keybuk> and actually has a lot fuzzier dependencies, like "I just need this file to be installed" ... which is a hard problem for APT to resolve
[11:45] <phill> thanks again :)
[11:45] <|trey|> Keybuk, oo  8)  that would be cool though... seems you are making it possible at least from your last planet entry "Where next for dpkg?"?
[11:45] <lhb> |trey|: the command that did the trick was dpkg-reconfigure console-data
[11:46] <|trey|> lhb, ahh, I was unsure whether it was that or -common... sorry  :(
[11:46] <lhb> |trey|: no worries :)
[11:46] <diavolo> and is there a cool way to compile on debian/ubuntu ? (something as cool as slack's checkinstall)
[11:46] <bob2> debian has checkinstall
[11:46] <bob2> but what do you want that isn't in universe?
[11:46] <Pizbit> amarok
[11:46] <diavolo> amarok
[11:47] <|trey|> Ubuntu should think about merging Kalyxo into Universe too  8)
[11:47] <bob2> is it really that great?
[11:47] <diavolo> when i install it with "dpkf -i" it blocks all the apt stuff
[11:47] <|trey|> It has Amarok  :)
[11:47] <Matt|> lol
[11:47] <bob2> |trey|: is it in sid?
[11:47] <|trey|> bob2, no
[11:47] <Pizbit> Eh? I thought it was.
[11:48] <bob2> |trey|: package it then
[11:48] <diavolo> amarok is the only linux music software i ve seen iwht a not so shitty idtags edit
[11:48] <Matt|> MAN #apache is the worst channel ever
[11:48] <|trey|> bob2, http://www.kalyxo.org/bin/view/Main/WebHome near the bottem...
[11:48] <|trey|> There is an apt source...
[11:48] <Matt|> diavolo, hey there is a good idtags editor?
[11:48] <Matt|> woooo
[11:49] <bob2> Matt|: the default apache confif shows indexes
[11:49] <diavolo> marok
[11:49] <Matt|> bob2, i have understood that. But MINE DOESN'T!
[11:49] <|trey|> bob2, atleast Amarok is stable enough to use though.. other things like KDebConf aren't recommended though...
[11:49] <eim> Which file system should I choose for my PPC Ubuntu installation? ext3 or reiserfs. Until now I've always used ext3.
[11:49] <jdub> eim: ext3
[11:49] <|trey|> Not sure if this counts as ot though?  :o
[11:49] <diavolo> (oups) rhthmbox doenst seem to be able to edit tags
[11:50] <eim> jdub: Thanks.
[11:50] <Matt|> diavolo, you could try something like easytag if you wanna save yourself the bother of compiling your package. It is ugly tho
[11:51] <diavolo> easytag shouldnt be called that
[11:52] <diavolo> "hardtag" or "painful-tag-editor" fits better ~~
[11:52] <Matt|> lol
[11:52] <Matt|> yeah that's true
[11:53] <|trey|> Something more like http://vemod.net/slask/screenshots/kdebconf.png would be great for Synaptic  :)
[11:53] <Matt|> strange that there are no good idtag editors
[11:53] <Matt|> maybe i should try amarok
[11:53] <diavolo> its really good
[11:53] <|trey|> Matt|, apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad should install id3tags
[11:54] <bob2> is id3 tagging really something you guys spend a lot of time doing?
[11:54] <diavolo> almost half good as muscimath (so almost perfect)
[11:54] <Matt|> bob2, yes
[11:54] <bob2> why isn't sound-juicer tagging them correctly to begin with?
[11:54] <|trey|> bob2, I like to know what song I am listening to in streams, yes....
[11:54] <Matt|> i use grip: it tags em fine
[11:54] <Matt|> but sometimes you have to retag things
[11:54] <Matt|> or tag things you haven't ripped
[11:55] <Matt|> so amarok is a player too?
[11:55] <|trey|> I don't have many songs on this machine, I reinstall too much usually to get a decent collection, so I just don't...
[11:56] <diavolo> i ve have lots of music without tags at all, very painful to manage it with rhythmbox
[11:56] <|trey|> Matt|, http://amarok.kde.org/
[11:56] <diavolo> and a playlist of 3500 files in xmms isnt very cool -_-
[11:56] <Matt|> ouch
[11:56] <Matt|> kde.org?
[11:57] <|trey|> Matt|, yes, its coming out of kdeextras and into kdemultimedia soon afaik
[11:57] <diavolo> you need a lot of kde stuff to play with it
[11:57] <Matt|> oh damn
[11:58] <phill> has anyone used safesex in windows (http://nullsoft.com) and is there a linux eqivalent?
[11:58] <|trey|> bob2, calc doesn't seem to package most of extras...
[11:59] <|trey|> phill, no, what is it, I might still know something simular... or at least point you in the right direction...
[11:59] <diavolo> if muine or rhythmbox had tag edit support it would be perfect (aaaahhh dreaming ^^)
[11:59] <mirak> diavolo: easy tag
[11:59] <mirak> diavolo: rythmbox crash on my machine
[12:00] <mirak> and skips lot of tracks
[12:00] <|trey|> diavolo, Rhythmbox does... mad depends it...
[12:00] <|trey|> libmad0
[12:00] <thoreauputic> bob2: trying to help someone in dcc chat - do you know what the gui tool for dialup config is in Ubuntu?
[12:00] <bob2> thoreauputic: pppconfig
[12:01] <diavolo> did someone tried Quod Libet (http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=561) ?
[12:01] <|trey|> A tool should be added to gnome-system-config for pppconfig and pppoeconf imo
[12:01] <thoreauputic> bob2: ah as I thought - OK
[12:01] <Matt|> mirak, i think easytag is rubbish
[12:01] <Matt|> mirak, it works but is ugly and complicated
[12:02] <bob2> |trey|: the return on investment on that sort of thing is very low
[12:02] <bob2> compared to the other things people could be doing
[12:03] <nefertati> bob2 after pppconfig what should i do?
[12:03] <bob2> nefertati: to do what? connect?
[12:03] <nefertati> yes
[12:03] <|trey|> bob2, indeed, but especially DSL, is a popular means to connect to the internet, many ask about it...
[12:03] <bob2> |pppoeconf
[12:03] <bob2> bah
[12:04] <Matt|> can it not be done through computer --> system --> networking?
[12:04] <|trey|> bob2, should add something to the wiki then so people don't keep asking atleast  :)
[12:04] <|trey|> Matt|, should be able to be, but I don't think so  :(
[12:05] <Matt|> Modem (ppp)
[12:05] <|trey|> Matt|, ahh, yeah, I see it... cool... should start directing there then  ;)
[12:05] <Matt|> |trey|, i haven't ever tried it
[12:06] <Matt|> i doubt it will work for pppoa
[12:06] <helkanaur> How do I mount a disk so that I can read and write to it as any user?
[12:06] <bob2> helkanaur: what sort of disk is it?
[12:06] <helkanaur> harddisk, fat32
[12:07] <Matt|> stick rw, users in /etc/fstab?
[12:07] <|trey|> Matt|, PPPOEthernet....
[12:07] <bob2> mount -t vfat -o rw,umask=002 /dev/whatever /mnt
[12:07] <|trey|> (Point to Point Protocol Over Ethernet)
[12:07] <helkanaur> Hm oki, thnks bob2
[12:07] <|trey|> should work as "ethernet"...
[12:08] <bob2> |trey|: no
[12:08] <|trey|> bob2, that sucks  :(
[12:08] <bob2> not as raw ethernet, anyway
[12:08] <Matt|> |trey|, it should work as ppp. But I don't think pppoa will work
[12:09] <|trey|> bob2, I haven't had to set up DSL, let alone used Computer > System Configuration > Network to do so  :(
[12:10] <Matt|> i had to set up linux with a usb modem using pppoa recently
[12:10] <Matt|> it was a total nightmare
[12:10] <bob2> eagle-usb?
[12:10] <Matt|> the modem was a speedtouch
[12:10] <bob2> to be fair, anything involving usb modems are nightmares
[12:11] <Matt|> bob2, yup
[12:11] <Matt|> damn cheapass isp
[12:11] <bob2> heh, I bought my own
[12:11] <bob2> cleverly thought "I'll get a GOOD dsl modem"
[12:11] <Matt|> i eventually bought a router
[12:12] <bob2> then all the store had was a d-link piece of crap
[12:12] <daniels> bob2: that rhymes with claverly
[12:12] <|trey|> bob2, haha, damnit  ;)
[12:12] <Matt|> i have a d-link pcmcia wifi card
[12:12] <Matt|> it is quite nice
[12:12] <Loduriel> Matt|, which router would you buy?
[12:13] <Matt|> Loduriel, well i had to pick carefully because i needed one which was pppoa compatible
[12:13] <bob2> daniels: and just like the claverley, I'd have bitched a lot less if I'd GOT SOME FREAKIN' MUFFINS
[12:13] <Matt|> Loduriel, i wouldn't really recommend mine
[12:13] <Loduriel> ok
[12:13] <|trey|> Matt|, you sure you mean ppoa?
[12:13] <Matt|> lol
[12:13] <Matt|> YES
[12:13] <|trey|> idgi  :o
[12:13] <|trey|> whats the A?
[12:13] <Matt|> it stands for ATM
[12:13] <Matt|> god knows
[12:14] <mirak> ow to burn an iso with gnome toaster ?
[12:14] <Matt|> perhaps even he doesn't
[12:14] <|trey|> Advanced Transfer Mechanism or something simular I believe...
[12:14] <Matt|> ok
[12:15] <|trey|> asynchronous transfer mode
[12:15] <daniels> bob2: except you did get muffins
[12:15] <|trey|> I was way off
[12:15] <bob2> daniels: but they cost me my soul
[12:15] <cardador> mirak: nautilus can burn isos
[12:15] <|trey|> Matt|, http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid7_gci213790,00.html
[12:16] <|trey|> Matt|, whatis.com rules  :)
[12:16] <bob2> I wouldn't trust a website with commas in the url
[12:16] <|trey|> bob2, blah thats what it says...
[12:16] <|trey|> bob2, " ATM (asynchronous transfer mode) is a dedicated-connection switching technology that organizes digital data into 53-byte cell units and transmits them over a physical medium using digital signal technology. Individually, a cell is processed asynchronously relative to other related cells and is queued before being multiplexed over the transmission path."
[12:16] <Matt|> lol
[12:16] <|trey|> is the first paragraph... it really is kinda informative  :)
[12:16] <daniels> bob2: you sold your soul long ago
[12:17] <bob2> daniels: I made a deal with an archangel
[12:17] <bob2> |trey|: I know what atm is
[12:17] <Matt|> does anyone use gdesklets?
[12:17] <bob2> |trey|: I was making unwarranted ad hominem attacks on the site based on it's url
[12:17] <Matt|> lol
[12:18] <|trey|> bob2, :(  Its one of my favorate sites... tought me a lot  :(
[12:19] <|trey|> bob2, http://whatis.techtarget.com/ doesn't have multiple commas...
[12:19] <bob2> it's a .com with "tech" in the name
[12:19] <|trey|> bob2, and it has pretty much everything you could ever want to know... yes...
[12:19] <Matt|> |trey|, he's not dissing the site, just the address
[12:22] <|trey|> Matt|, [04:18]  <bob2> |trey|: I was making unwarranted ad hominem attacks on the site based on it's url  .... still  :/
[12:22] <bob2> chill dude
[12:22] <Matt|> nah just a joke
[12:22] <bob2> it's irc, ignore everything
[12:23] <Matt|> what he said ^^
[12:23] <bob2> nothing important ever happens on irc
[12:23] <|trey|> bob2, knowledge is important to me  ;)
[12:23] <eruditus> hi
[12:23] <Matt|> lol
[12:23] <|trey|> eruditus, hey  :)
[12:23] <eruditus> can anyone tell me how to prevent the system from starting in X?
[12:23] <bob2> eruditus: rm /etc/rc2.d/*gdm
[12:24] <Matt|> eruditus, ^^
[12:24] <Matt|> damn
[12:24] <eruditus> I would like to keep X, tho...
[12:24] <bob2> that keeps X
[12:24] <|trey|> eruditus, what bob2 said, or 'cat NONE > /etc/X11/default-desktop-manager'
[12:24] <Matt|> eruditus, that is fine
[12:24] <bob2> if you want gdm to run again, run "sudo invoke-rc.d gdm start"
[12:24] <Matt|> lol
[12:24] <Matt|> he's gone
[12:25] <|trey|> bob2, why do you not recommend d-d-m? (see what I said above) not a good option?
[12:25] <eim> What about the Ubuntu installer and internal PCI Winmodems? Are they supported by default? Thanks.
[12:26] <Elwood> eim, i have on
[12:26] <Treenaks> eim: not likely
[12:26] <bob2> |trey|: harder to undo
[12:26] <|trey|> eim, www.linmodems.org
[12:26] <bob2> eim: not during the install
[12:26] <|trey|> bob2, change "NONE" to '/usr/bin/gdm'
[12:26] <eim> bob2: Any instructions on how to get it working the `Ubuntu/Debian`-way once installed the base system? Thanks.
[12:26] <Elwood> eim,  which one?
[12:26] <Matt|> what is the earliest time during rc2 that I can start gdm do you think?
[12:27] <bob2> Matt|: after nwtworking and hal
[12:27] <eim> Elwood: I don't have this info actually, sorry. The PCI WinModem is on the new PC of my girl friend. I have to check first.
[12:27] <Matt|> hal?
[12:28] <Elwood> eim,  i have a lucent chipset and i make it work, if u need call me :)
[12:28] <|trey|> Hardware Abstraction Layer... needs drivers right  ;)
[12:28] <|trey|> I would say after hotplug too though...
[12:28] <Matt|> well hotplug is before network so that should be ok
[12:29] <bob2> hal has nothing to do with drivers
[12:29] <|trey|> Matt|, X needs drivers and its a server so it needs networking too...
[12:29] <bob2> hotplug loads drivers
[12:29] <Matt|> yes
[12:29] <bob2> hal sends data about hardware events to userspace
[12:29] <eim> Elwood: I'll do, thanks. In the past I once set up a winmoden on Debian stable. I'm considering anyway to install Ubuntu beside Windows on my girlfriend's PC so I have to work a bit to get the modem running.
[12:29] <Matt|> on boot it starts both rc2.d AND rcS.d?
[12:30] <bob2> yes
[12:30] <bob2> read the sysv docs, /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz
[12:30] <Elwood> eim,  depends also on the kernel
[12:30] <Matt|> so if i wanna remove something I remove it from both?
[12:30] <Matt|> bob2, ok
[12:30] <bob2> Matt|:
[12:30] <bob2> do not touch rcS
[12:30] <Matt|> bob2, ok
[12:30] <|trey|> bob2, you really should just point me at a _good_ document about that... I have read some things about Project Utopia, but apparently am not peticularly enlightened  :(
[12:31] <eim> Elwood: Yes. In the past I got running the winmodem on 2.4.x.
[12:31] <Matt|> bob2, so i cannot remove services in there?
[12:31] <|trey|> bob2, have read, for instance, Robert Loves original statement on the subject, etc...
[12:32] <bob2> Matt|: look at what's in that dir
[12:32] <Matt|> yes
[12:32] <bob2> Matt|: which do you want to disable?
[12:32] <Matt|> some of them i do not want
[12:32] <bob2> and why?
[12:32] <daniels> |trey|: here's the canonical document -- 'make stuff Just Work'
[12:32] <bob2> haha canonical
[12:32] <Matt|> bob, S45mountnfs.sh S25mdadm-raid maybe also S51ntpdate
[12:33] <|trey|> daniels, yes, that is pretty much the drift... but it explains hal and hotplug and ufs etc and how they are supposed to work together...
[12:33] <bob2> Matt|: what percentage of your boot time is that?
[12:33] <|trey|> udev I mean... bah
[12:33] <Matt|> bob2, i do not know
[12:33] <Matt|> the more i remove, the cleaner the boot
[12:33] <bob2> "cleaner"?
[12:33] <ryan> heh
[12:33] <bob2> |trey|: http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3450
[12:33] <Matt|> quicker
[12:34] <Elwood> eim,  for mine with 2.6 is more simple
[12:34] <|trey|> bob2, yes, that is what I have read...
[12:34] <Matt|> bob2, so you would not recommend i remove those services?
[12:34] <|trey|> bob2, I guess I am just confused?  :(
[12:34] <bob2> |trey|: I don't know
[12:34] <eim> Elwood: What is to do on 2.6?
[12:35] <bob2> Matt|: I'd recommend not bothering unless you're sure you know what you're doing
[12:35] <Elwood> eim,  just make and modprobe
[12:35] <bob2> Matt|: but it's easy to fix, so go and play if you like
[12:35] <Matt|> bob2, i'm sure i'm not using raid or nfs/smb
[12:35] <Matt|> lol "go and play"
[12:37] <|trey|> Matt|, you don't consider fiddling with new things "playing"?  :P
[12:37] <Matt|> yeah
[12:37] <|trey|> ;)
[12:38] <Matt|> if I am not using RAID, is it correct to say I do not need lvm?
[12:39] <eim> Elwood: You got the 2.6.x compatible source from linmodems.org?
[12:39] <Elwood> eim, yes but i repeat, for my winmodem , all depends on chipset
[12:39] <eim> Elwood: Sure. Thanks for infos, Elwood.
[12:39] <rbrose> I habe zwo Graphicscards, how can help me make dual head?
[12:40] <bob2> Matt|: lvm isn't raid
[12:40] <bob2> Matt|: but you'd know if you were using lvm
[12:40] <Matt|> bob2, ok
[12:40] <Matt|> what does it stand for?
[12:41] (Matt|/#ubuntu) lol
[12:41] (bob2/#ubuntu) logical volume manager
[12:41] (Matt|/#ubuntu) hmm
[12:41] (Matt|/#ubuntu) is that for more than one disk?
[12:43] <bob2> no
[12:43] <Matt|> hmm
[12:43] <Matt|> i wanna make sure i don't need it!
[12:44] <Matt|> it is a partition manager?
[12:44] <bob2> no
[12:44] <bob2> it's LVM
[12:44] <bob2> like bsd disk slices, sort of'
[12:44] <bob2> if you were using it, you would know
[12:44] <Matt|> ok cool
[12:44] <rebirth> brb
[12:45] <Matt|> does the same apply to EVMS?
[12:45] <bob2> you would know if you were using evms
[12:46] <Elwood> someone using glade?
[12:46] <Matt|> bob2, thanks for your help i appreciate it!
[12:47] <bob2> Elwood: lots of people
[12:48] <Matt|> bbl
[12:51] <rbrose> how is the password for root in ubuntu?
[12:51] <Hikaru79> rbrose, Ubuntu doesn't use rote
[12:51] <Hikaru79> Use 'sudo'
[12:52] <Hikaru79> with your reguler user password
[12:52] <Hikaru79> *root
[12:52] <rbrose> thanks
[12:52] <Hikaru79> =) Yup
[12:52] <bob2> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[12:59] <RobinSWE> how do i install ubuntu on my harddrive? i can only run it from cd...
[12:59] <Shufla> hello
[12:59] <jdub> RobinSWE: you need to have the install CD
[01:00] <chibifs> Eh.. She can use the knoppix-esque disk for an install, can't she?
[01:01] <Tomcat_> You might want to add "can't hack root account" to the list of benefits for sudo...
[01:01] <bob2> chibifs: you can't install from the livecd
[01:01] <chibifs> That's sillyness. :/
[01:01] <nefertati> bob 2 i tryed the pon providername i heard the tone but it dont dials
[01:01] <RobinSWE> where can i get the install cd then
[01:02] <jdub> RobinSWE: same place
[01:04] <bob2> chibifs: they're very different things
[01:04] <esoteric> howdy
[01:04] <bob2> chibifs: the live cd contains a compressed filesystgem, the install one has a bazillion .debs
[01:05] <bob2> chibifs: you could spin off the installer from the livecd and download the packages off the net
[01:06] <chibifs> I'm aware, isn't the live cd based on knoppix, though?
[01:06] <chibifs> Knoppix has an install-to-disk module. :P
[01:06] <esoteric> just did a straight forward install of ubuntu there.. worked great... now im doing a custom (minimal) server setup.. and want to do RAID1... to set up raid seems u need to partition the drives as Linux RAID format... but i dont see any place to do that in the setup cant specify type
[01:08] <bob2> chibifs: no, it's not based on knoppix
[01:08] <bob2> it's morphix
[01:08] <chibifs> Ah. :P
[01:09] <chibifs> Anyone tried patching a bootsplash on the ubuntu stock kernel yet?
[01:09] <bob2> hoary will have a better solution
[01:09] <chibifs> Hey hey, I'm not pushing :P
[01:09] <chibifs> This is currently teh best linux distro existant. :D
[01:10] <chibifs> slack simplicity, debian power, and focused on making things work right off the bat. :D
[01:11] <Elwood> i need that the output of a shell command will be redirected to a gtk-box. which box i need to create with glade?
[01:12] <chibifs> 
[01:12] <chibifs> 
[01:12] <chibifs> 
[01:13] <Mithrandir> chibifs: please;
[01:13] <chibifs> Yesm?
[01:13] <esoteric> so anyone have experience with setting it up for RAID/mirroring?
[01:13] <chibifs> Nah. Raid is for getting rid of bugs.
[01:14] <chibifs> Off works better, so use off. :o
[01:14] <esoteric> :p
[01:14] <Telep> lol
[01:15] <chibifs> 
[01:16] <Elwood> chibifs utf  8
[01:16] <chibifs> Hmmm.. What are you complaining about, Mith?
[01:16] <bob2> chibifs: please don't
[01:16] <bob2> chibifs: keep it in ASCII in here
[01:16] <chibifs> It shows fine in xchat :/
[01:16] <chibifs> Fine fine. >.>
[01:16] <the_one> hi everyone
[01:17] <Telep> not everyone uses xchat :P
[01:17] <chibifs> I'm using gaim.
[01:17] <chibifs> :o
[01:17] <chibifs> OHHhhh
[01:17] <chibifs> BitchX :/
[01:17] <Treenaks> gaim should show it correctly as well
[01:17] <the_one> how can I install the last version of gaim in ubuntu?
[01:17] <esoteric> im using xchat and it b0rks for me :p
[01:18] <the_one> it's not in synaptic's repositories
[01:18] <chibifs> I forgot ncurses doesn't show utf-8 characters very well.
[01:18] <chibifs> the_one - change warty to hoary
[01:18] <chibifs> Only upgrade gaim
[01:18] <chibifs> then switch it back
[01:18] <the_one> ok
[01:19] <the_one> but then...would it be bad if I do a dist-upgrade?
[01:19] <the_one> to hoary?
[01:19] <chibifs> I doubt it.
[01:19] <the_one> are you on hoary?
[01:19] <chibifs> I'm on warty, with 3 hoary packages that I need.
[01:20] <the_one> hoary is like...testing?
[01:20] <chibifs> Yeah.
[01:20] <the_one> ok
[01:20] <the_one> one other question
[01:20] <bob2> more like unstable
[01:20] <the_one> I downloaded the .deb for gaim 1.0.2
[01:20] <the_one> how can I install it?
[01:21] <chibifs> sudo dpkg -i filename
[01:21] <the_one> ok, I'll try that
[01:22] <the_one> what do you recommend, changing to hoary on my ubuntu's repositories, or doing it manually with the downloaded .deb?
[01:23] <rapha> WHEEEEW! I got DSL!
[01:23] <rapha> And if anybody should ever ask again how to configure it under Ubuntu, the command is "pppoeconf".
[01:23] <chibifs> Well, the hoary compile depends on some hoary libs
[01:24] <the_one> I got dependency problems when trying to install the last vesrion of gaim
[01:24] <the_one> ...back to the old version
[01:24] <chibifs> And the official deb probably depends on some debian versions you don't have.
[01:24] <the_one> yeah
[01:24] <the_one> probably
[01:25] <chibifs> So if you don't wanna compile, you've just gotta deal.
[01:25] <the_one> should I try from source?
[01:26] <chibifs> Up to you. :o
[01:26] <nightlybuild> Hello ubuntu users
[01:26] <the_one> but does ubuntu have everything I need to compile by default?
[01:26] <chibifs> You'll need to download g++
[01:27] <chibifs> Everything is in the apt.
[01:27] <the_one> with synaptic...right?
[01:27] <chibifs> Yep.
[01:27] <chibifs> synaptic is your friend. :P
[01:27] <chibifs> What's in the new gaim, by the way?
[01:27] <bob2> the_one: install build-essential
[01:28] <bob2> chibifs: installing g++ by itself is useless
[01:28] <rapha> chibifs: And then you'll see what else you need.
[01:28] <the_one> btw, I can go along with the old gaim, but more important I'd like to know how to alter the boot order in grub..any sugestions?
[01:29] <chibifs> Look in /boot
[01:29] <bob2> boot order of what?
[01:29] <chibifs> the menu.lst fine in the grub folder is what you're looking for
[01:29] <the_one> ubuntu boots by default
[01:29] <Treenaks> /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:30] <Treenaks> the_one: that's good, right?
[01:30] <the_one> treenaks: not always...
[01:30] <the_one> :S
[01:30] <chibifs> Oooh. ubuntu grub fb splash, do we have one of those yet?
[01:31] <daniels> no
[01:31] <chibifs> I saw something on the wiki, but it was greyed. :/
[01:32] <the_one> I don't know what's wrong with my gaim, it used to go in the tray when I closed the main window, now it closes completelly, I looked in the plugins, the tray plugin is selected, what could be the problem?
[01:32] <chibifs> I was going to do a spinning logo kernel splash in a bit. Maybe someone would like that. o . o
[01:32] <chibifs> Do you have the tray on your panel? o.o
[01:33] <Pizbit> tray -> notification-area
[01:33] <Matt|> hey i was thinking of something. Is it possible to get icons for the applications that are open in the workspace switcher?
[01:33] <the_one> yeah,,at least I think, if the tray is where there's the clock, volume, etc
[01:33] <Matt|> the_one, no you might have to add it
[01:34] <the_one> with add to panel?
[01:34] <chibifs> Hatt| - Alt-tab? :P
[01:34] <Matt|> the_one right click on the panel --> add --> notification area
[01:34] <Matt|> chibifs, it would be a nice touch!
[01:34] <Matt|> chibifs, you know how to add em?
[01:35] <Pizbit> Matt|: Make your gnome-panel bigger;)
[01:35] <the_one> Matt; thanks man
[01:35] <Matt|> Pizbit, ty
[01:35] <Matt|> ok: 26 pixels or bigger give you the icons!
[01:35] <Matt|> thanks to Pizbit
[01:36] <chibifs> Oh, I misunderstood you.
[01:36] <chibifs> I thought you wanted easy program switching.
[01:36] <chibifs> hehe
[01:36] <NewComer> nautilus use large embelems, how can I make them smaller?
[01:36] <Pizbit> That's for fullscreen apps, need bigger for smaller windows.
[01:36] <chibifs> NewCorner- Resize them. :P
[01:37] <WW> NewComer: Edit->Preferences
[01:38] <NewComer> WW, can resize icons alltogether, not embelems only
[01:38] <Pizbit> NewComer: Change the view %
[01:38] <chibifs> You need to make a smaller emblem theme.
[01:38] <Pizbit> Or svg theme :)
[01:39] <NewComer> Pizbit, i'm using a scalable one
[01:39] <NewComer> svg that is
[01:39] <chibifs> Heh. could you tag gnomerc for something like that?
[01:40] <WW> NewComer: Ah, then I don't know how to do that. :)
[01:41] <NewComer> lemme try some other icon theme
[01:42] <ryan> what replaces the mail check applet now
[01:42] <ryan> it seems to have disappeared since i upgrade to hoary
[01:43] <ryan> upgraded*
[01:43] <Pizbit> ryan: Why'd you upgrade?
[01:43] <chibifs> Nothing. It's gone for the time being.
[01:43] <chibifs> Hoary is expirimental, silly. :o
[01:43] <the_one> guysm I'm not sure what to edit here in grub to make win boot by default (I talk regularly with my family over IM audio, can't do that in linux)
[01:44] <the_one> I'm afraid I'm gonna break something
[01:44] <ryan> Pizbit: to get the latest version of packages such as gaim, firefox, etc
[01:44] <stvn> the_one: gnomemeeting allows for IM audio IIRC
[01:44] <thoreauputic> ryan: maybe right click panel --> add applet
[01:44] <chibifs> Do you have windows listed in there?
[01:44] <thoreauputic> ryan: might still be there
[01:45] <the_one> yeah. I have it listed
[01:45] <the_one> but it's last
[01:45] <the_one> separated by a divider from the ubuntu entries
[01:45] <chibifs> Just move it to the top of the kernels list. :P
[01:46] <the_one> ok
[01:46] <the_one> I was thinking of that
[01:46] <the_one> what can I do with the divider
[01:46] <the_one> delete it?
[01:46] <ryan> Pizbit: besides, i can't wait to break my box for when they start getting xorg in for the first time :P
[01:47] <chibifs> If it has a # in front of it, the whole line after it is useless.
[01:47] <the_one> so I can delete all those lines in grub with # in front of them?cleanup time...
[01:47] <chibifs> Not recommended.
[01:47] <stvn> the_one: don't
[01:47] <chibifs> They inform you
[01:48] <chibifs> :o
[01:48] <chibifs> And if you screw up, you'll be locked out of your system.
[01:48] <thoreauputic> the_one: deleting comments is a bad move :)
[01:48] <the_one> how about adding comments?? :)
[01:49] <chibifs> That's fine, too.
[01:49] <thoreauputic> the_one: yeah, you can do that :)
[01:49] <the_one> ubuntu just works...probably something needs "fixing"
[01:49] <the_one> I can start with grub
[01:50] <thoreauputic> the_one: yeah, breaking grub would be fun - you won't be able to boot at all ;)
[01:50] <chibifs> You can always re-install grub from the disc--
[01:50] <chibifs> Just boot 'expert'
[01:50] <the_one> now that's what I'm talking about...;D
[01:50] <Pizbit> ryan: Yes, imagine how much fun you'll have when you can't even sort out a mail checker applet by yourself;)
[01:50] <chibifs> Mount your disk, be careful not to format it instead. :P
[01:51] <Lowry> What is ppc linux dv import like?
[01:51] <thoreauputic> the_one: if you *really* want to break something, locate glibc and delete it.... (umm - no wait - don't do that...)
[01:52] <the_one> I got used to half-baked distros... hard to adapt...ubuntu works...something not right..:)
[01:52] <thoreauputic> heh
[01:52] <Lowry> Can/would/could Canopus dv products work?
[01:54] <chibifs> the_one - Where ya coming from longest run? :o
[01:54] <chibifs> I'm a Slackie.
[01:54] <the_one> well...
[01:55] <the_one> fedora, suse, xandros, tried most of them
[01:55] <wzelig> hi
[01:55] <spacey`ki> i'm from slack too, although i don't think it matters..  :p
[01:55] <Matt|> how can i stop certain windows from appearing on the window list? I would like xmms and rhythmbox to just dock to systray and not appear on the windowlist?
[01:56] <chibifs> devil'spie
[01:56] <wzelig> somebody have installed a php-mysql solution?
[01:56] <the_one> I do have an affinity for debian-based distros
[01:56] <chibifs> I hated debian. Ubuntu saved me from that hate. :D
[01:56] <Matt|> devil'spie?
[01:56] <chibifs> Yeah.
[01:56] <Matt|> gnome can't do it?
[01:56] <the_one> pure debian is kinda rough around the edges...ubuntu smoothes them out nicely
[01:57] <bob2> Matt|: you can use a more sophisticated WM like sawfish, I'd guess
[01:57] <ryan> Pizbit: trust me, a non-existing mail checker applet is the least of my worries.
[01:57] <bob2> wzelig: lots of people have installed it
[01:57] <chibifs> devilspie is global.
[01:57] <wzelig> can you help me?
[01:57] <ryan> Pizbit: i don't needeth a wet nurse
[01:57] <bob2> wzelig: you need to ask a question firsty
[01:58] <wzelig> I have install mysql apache and php but
[01:58] <Matt|> ok i will try and install devilspie. I don't know how to make gnome use a different window manager and perhaps it would be a bit heavier to do so
[01:58] <wzelig> seems that php don't comunicate with mysql
[01:58] <bob2> wzelig: does php in apache work?
[01:58] <wzelig> yes
[01:59] <chibifs> wzelig, make sure you have php4-cgi, libapache2-mod-php4, php4-mysql, and mysqld installed
[01:59] <bob2> you don't need php4-cgi
[01:59] <wzelig> php4-cgi ....
[01:59] <wzelig> ?
[01:59] <bob2> and mysqld doesn't exist in ubuntu or debian
[02:00] <chibifs> Whoops
[02:00] <bob2> I think you mean "mysql-server".
[02:00] <wzelig> the other yes but php4-cgi i think not
[02:00] <chibifs> Yeah
[02:00] <wzelig> I must verify when  came back home
[02:01] <chibifs> Oh, I suck at tech support >.<
[02:01] <chibifs> Maybe I should stop answering questions. ;.;
[02:01] <Matt|> who uses devilspie?
[02:01] <chibifs> Matt| - Not me, I don't use taskbars, I use root taskmenus like in openbox and xfce. :D
[02:02] <Matt|> i use taskbars on xfce ;(
[02:02] <chibifs> I've just heard about it a LOT while I was working xfce support. :P
[02:03] <Matt|> its annoying that gnome can't do this on its own
[02:03] <chibifs> Gnome is still a baby. :D
[02:03] <Pizbit> Isn't changing the wm only a gconf change?
[02:03] <chibifs> Yeah.
[02:03] <Matt|> ok will try that first then
[02:04] <chibifs> Well, the window manager doesn't always help with that. :/
[02:04] <Matt|> Pizbit, any idea where it is?
[02:04] <mina_linux_Tux> hello all may i ask for a small brief about the ubuntu?
[02:04] <Pizbit> Matt|: Nope:)
[02:04] <Treenaks> mina_linux_Tux: don't ask if you can ask, just ask! :)
[02:04] <jdub> Matt|: gnome doesn't provide features like this because it's outside the scope of normal use, plus, additional plugins can provide the functionality. no point bulking gnome up with anal retentive stuff your mum wouldn't understand.
[02:05] <Matt|> Pizbit, np
[02:05] <Matt|> jdub, harsh
[02:05] <chibifs> desktop>gnome>applications>window manager
[02:05] <jdub> not at all
[02:05] <Matt|> jdub, you have to admit you can be fairly brusque
[02:06] <mina_linux_Tux> so what after
[02:06] <chibifs> Hehehe.. Bulking gnome up.
[02:06] <Matt|> jdub, my mum would understand it if it did it by default
[02:06] <Matt|> it is useful to have xmms docked
[02:06] <jdub> Matt|: think about it dude, "please hide windows from the list of windows"
[02:06] <Pizbit> Matt|: xmms has a status-bar icon which removed it from the window list ya know
[02:06] <chibifs> You can make gnome more bulky than it already is?
[02:06] <Matt|> Pizbit, i did not know that
[02:07] <Matt|> Pizbit, the statusbar icon I have does not remove it from the window list
[02:07] <Pizbit> Try hiding xmms with it:)
[02:07] <jdub> Matt|: rather than putting obscure functionality like that into the window manager, it can be provided by other applications that advanced users can use.
[02:08] <Matt|> Pizbit, how?
[02:08] <Pizbit> Matt|: Click on it:P
[02:08] <jdub> this is also why, for instance, good applications do the right thing by default
[02:08] <Matt|> jdub, you may be right. I was just struck by the forcefulness of your language!
[02:08] <jdub> instead of having to make users think about "hiding windows from the list of windows", which is an implementation detail
[02:08] <Matt|> Pizbit, clicking on it does not hide it from the window list
[02:09] <chibifs> It doesn't? o_O
[02:09] <Pizbit> Matt|: Then your clicking skills are lacking or you're thinking of something other than the xmms-status-plugin :)
[02:10] <Matt|> Pizbit, it is xmms-status-plugin. I even wrote to the developer about this: he said there was no way to do it, except using devilspie
[02:10] <hbbs> hi, I'm newbie to gnome and I wonder how to add starters to the application menu
[02:10] <Pizbit> Matt|: Hiding the window with it removes it from the window-selector thingy and alt+tab here
[02:10] <jdub> hbbs: what's missing?
[02:10] <Matt|> Pizbit, must be a different plugin
[02:10] <Matt|> Pizbit, what is the name of yours?
[02:10] <jdub> hbbs: in nautilus, type ctrl-l, and enter applications:///
[02:11] <hbbs> I installed xmms and I want to add it to multimediagroup
[02:11] <WW> hbbs: Select the menu that you want to add to, and right-click.  You
[02:11] <WW> oops
[02:11] <jdub> hbbs: you'll be able to create launchers and so on
[02:11] <Pizbit> Matt|: Exactly that, as packaged in Ubuntu
[02:11] <Matt|> libstatusdocklet.so?
[02:11] <jdub> hbbs: (it's a bit hidden, because it doesn't work very well)
[02:11] <WW> hbbs: You'll see several editing options.
[02:11] <Pizbit> Yep
[02:11] <hbbs> I can do a rightclick on an entry in the menu
[02:11] <hbbs> i see four options
[02:12] <jdub> hbbs: follow my directions above
[02:12] <Lowry> later
[02:12] <WW> hbbs: Entire menu
[02:12] <jdub> it's easier
[02:12] <Matt|> Pizbit, PM?
[02:12] <Pizbit> Why?
[02:12] <WW> hbbs: Also, there is an explanation in the wiki FAQ.  Scroll down to "Configuring your desktop" (or something like that).
[02:13] <Matt|> Pizbit, i don't wanna bore the channel!
[02:13] <hbbs> WW, i will have a look at it.
[02:13] <jdub> hbbs: dude
[02:13] <jdub> hbbs: open a nautilus window
[02:13] <jdub> hbbs: type ctrl-l
[02:14] <jdub> hbbs: type applications:/// into the box
[02:14] <WW> hbbs: But jdub is right, using Nautilus is pretty easy.
[02:15] <Brooman> Could someone tell me the version of udev that Ubuntu uses?
[02:16] <jdub> Brooman: type: dpkg -l udev
[02:16] <hbbs> success ...
[02:16] <hbbs> it' a little bit hidden, as you told me
[02:17] <hbbs> also the german translations do not improve the whole thing.
[02:17] <WW> hbbs: "a little bit hidden..."  What is?
[02:17] <Brooman> jdub, I dont use ubuntu..i use gentoo..im trying to install gnome 2.8 and from the last time i remember the version of udev in portage did not work..i know it works in ubuntu. so if you would not mind just telling me, i'd appreciate it.
[02:17] <jdub> 0.040
[02:17] <Brooman> thanks
[02:18] <jdub> sounds more like a question for #gentoo than #ubuntu
[02:20] <the_one> bye bye people
[02:20] <WW> hbbs: If you mean the FAQ on the wiki, I agree.  There have been a lot of changes to the wiki recently, and the FAQ seems to have gotten buried deep.
[02:21] <hbbs> WW, no, i meant the way like jdub described it (right click and so on ...)
[02:21] <WW> hbbs: Oh. That, too.  :)
[02:21] <WW> hbbs: Computer->Home is what I usually do.
[02:22] <Brooman> jdub, you are right, but noone who is awake knew the answer to it.
[02:22] <hbbs> it's called computer -> persnlicher Ordner in german
[02:22] <hbbs> this is crazy, everyone would understand home in germany
[02:23] <chibifs> ? :o
[02:24] <Matt|> lol
[02:24] <hbbs> jdub, thanks for the applications:/// hint
[02:24] <hbbs> this gives me more control  :-)
[02:25] <hbbs> natea_, check your routers ip-aging values :-)
[02:26] <mina_linux_Tux> is this link (http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso)able to make a Live CD (One that runs Ubuntu from CD)
[02:27] <bob2> no
[02:27] <bob2> that's the install cd
[02:27] <bob2> you want the one with "live" in the filename
[02:27] <mina_linux_Tux> so where is the Live one ?
[02:28] <bob2> http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-live-i386.iso
[02:28] <mina_linux_Tux> ok thanks
[02:28] <mina_linux_Tux> thanks
[02:29] <mina_linux_Tux> does ubunto has support to different Modem and PCMCIA WIRELESS Network Adapter called SMC ?
[02:30] <Treenaks> mina_linux_Tux: uh.. what kind of SMC?
[02:30] <bob2> you'd need to find out what chipset it has
[02:30] <Treenaks> mina_linux_Tux: I have 2 supported wireless cards from SMC that work
[02:30] <mina_linux_Tux> SMC2635w
[02:34] <|trey|> Treenaks, funny how things that are support tend to share that quality  ;)
[02:34] <|trey|> supported*
[02:34] <mina_linux_Tux> Treenaks: My SMC Wireless PCMCIA Card is SMC2635W is it supported
[02:35] <FluFlo> but it has ADM8211 chip from ADMTek
[02:35] <the_one> hi again
[02:36] <mina_linux_Tux> FLuFlo: yes i think it has Chipset ADM8211 so ... is it supported ?
[02:36] <Treenaks> mina_linux_Tux: is it 2635W, 2635W-V2 or SMC2635W-V3 ?
[02:36] <the_one> can someone tell me how to make my ntfs partitions visible in ubuntu? Even if in read-only
[02:37] <mina_linux_Tux> i think 2635W
[02:37] <|trey|> the_one, mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt should do it.
[02:37] <the_one> and when I reboot will it still be mounted?
[02:38] <FluFlo> mina_linux_Tux, i think so. However the module is not included on the default kernel and you should compile the module yourself
[02:38] <bob2> the_one: nope
[02:38] <bob2> the_one: if you want that, edit /etc/fstab
[02:38] <FluFlo> mina_linux_Tux, here is the driver http://aluminum.sourmilk.net/adm8211/
[02:38] <the_one> is it "easy" to edit fstab?
[02:39] <FluFlo> it's GPL
[02:39] <|trey|> the_one, no... you would need to add '/dev/hda1        /mnt  auto    user,auto  0       0' to /etc/fstab to do that
[02:39] <jordi> FluFlo: fstab is gpl? :)
[02:39] <|trey|> jordi, I think he means the driver  ;)
[02:39] <FluFlo> the driver. i mean
[02:39] <jordi> I was kidding, sorry ;)
[02:39] <mina_linux_Tux> FluFlo: where or how to compile this module , i already searched for the admtek8211 for linux not found
[02:39] <|trey|> jordi, way too early here to kid  ;)
[02:40] <FluFlo> mina_linux_Tux, did you tryed the link?
[02:40] <bob2> the_one: /dev/whatever /mnt/wherever ntfs ro,umask=022 0 0
[02:40] <|trey|> bob2, you really like that umask option  ;)  why no auto though?
[02:41] <bob2> |trey|: auto is implied
[02:41] <the_one> now I'm confused.
[02:41] <mina_linux_Tux> FLuFlo: i'll try it now
[02:41] <|trey|> the_one, do what bob2 told you
[02:41] <hbbs> i would like some icons on nautilus (change to the .. directory, delete and so on)
[02:41] <bob2> the_one: add that line to end of /etc/fstab
[02:42] <mina_linux_Tux> FluFlo: install the last release  ?
[02:42] <FluFlo> yep
[02:42] <FluFlo> the latest
[02:42] <the_one> please have patience with me...I am editing fstab, at file system I added /dev/hda1, what do I put at mount point, type, option, dump, pass?
[02:42] <|trey|> FluFlo, latest release*  not latest software for instance...
[02:42] <mina_linux_Tux> FluFlo: then untar it and compile ?
[02:43] <bob2> the_one: read what I wrote
[02:43] <the_one> I read it
[02:43] <bob2> the_one: change the first two entries, copy the rest of what I wrote
[02:43] <the_one> so I just do copy/paste with what you wrote?
[02:43] <|trey|> the_one, bob2's order is correct... if it makes you happy, you can change spacing in the file...
[02:44] <|trey|> the_one, that would work yes
[02:44] <|trey|> the_one, (copy/paste would)
[02:44] <FluFlo> mina_linux_Tux, yes, seems that a "make" and "make install" as root will do the trick
[02:44] <bob2> the_one: yes, change /mnt/whatever and /dev/whatever
[02:45] <|trey|> the_one, /dev/whatever will likely be /dev/hda1 (if you installed windows first, it is), /mnt/whatever doesn't really matter though as long as its empty and exists...
[02:45] <the_one> but there are like "columns" in my fstab for file system, mount point, bla bla, what you wrote doesn't fit
[02:45] <bob2> the_one: yes it does
[02:46] <bob2> the_one: it doesn't matter if there's one space between them or 20 000
[02:46] <thoreauputic> the_one: the spacing doesn't have to be identical
[02:46] <the_one> ok
[02:46] <the_one> I put /dev/C
[02:46] <the_one> ?
[02:46] <|trey|> the_one, no... /dev/hda1
[02:47] <mina_linux_Tux> FluFlo: then what after compiling this module
[02:47] <the_one> yeah...my brain in formated in FAT
[02:47] <the_one> sorry
[02:47] <|trey|> the_one, hd = harddrive... a referes to first disk, 1 referes to first partition
[02:48] <the_one> this is the line, what do I have to change still? /dev/hda1	/mnt/wherever   ntfs ro,umask=022 0 0
[02:48] <|trey|> the_one, so /dev/hdd5 would be 5th partition of fourth drive for instance
[02:48] <the_one> mnt/what?
[02:48] <the_one> C?
[02:49] <|trey|> the_one, no... that part doesn't really matter...
[02:49] <bob2> the_one: you can call it whatever you like
[02:49] <FluFlo> mina_linux_Tux, try "modprobe adm8211"
[02:49] <bob2> the_one: just make sure the directory exists
[02:49] <|trey|> the_one, anywhere really, so long as its empty and exists...
[02:49] <Matt|> Pizbit, what skin are you using on xmms?
[02:49] <bob2> the_one: for simplcity, you can make it just /mnt
[02:49] <the_one> aha
[02:49] <the_one> ok
[02:49] <Pizbit> Matt|: Default
[02:49] <mina_linux_Tux> FluFlo: what does modprobe do (checks for problems )
[02:49] <the_one> do I have to reboot to test?
[02:50] <Matt|> Pizbit, none?
[02:50] <Pizbit> Matt|: The xchat-systray seems to respond well to right clicks but horrid to left clicks.
[02:50] <Pizbit> yeah, none
[02:50] <FluFlo> mina_linux_Tux, loads the module on memory
[02:50] <bob2> the_one: when you "mount" a filesystem in unix, you make the contents of that disk/partition appear in an existing directory
[02:50] <Matt|> Pizbit, double left click
[02:50] <|trey|> the_one, yes... although you can trust and just mount now  :)
[02:50] <bob2> the_one: no, "sudo mount /mnt"
[02:50] <bob2> |trey|: no you don't
[02:50] <Pizbit> Matt|: Gah, evil:)
[02:50] <Matt|> Pizbit, with no skin on xmms, the xmms plugin doesn't even load
[02:50] <Matt|> interesting..
[02:50] <FluFlo> mina_linux_Tux, afther that, check output of "dmesg" (the last lines)
[02:50] <Pizbit> *chuckles*
[02:50] <|trey|> bob2, to test whether it loads @ boot, he would indeed need to reboot  ;)
[02:50] <Pizbit> Maybe ~/.xmms is fried
[02:50] <Matt|> yeah mebbe
[02:50] <bob2> |trey|: vim /etc/init.d/mountall.sh
[02:51] <|trey|> bob2, ahh  :o
[02:51] <|trey|> I learned something though, thats cool  :)
[02:53] <the_one> bob2: I tried sudo mount /mnt I get mount: can't find /mnt in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[02:53] <bob2> the_one: what did you replace "/mnt/whatever" in my example with?
[02:53] <the_one> C:SYSTEM
[02:53] <bob2> the_one: erm
[02:54] <the_one> ok
[02:54] <thoreauputic> oh dear
[02:54] <|trey|> the_one, this is unix... "C" is just not right...
[02:54] <bob2> the_one: "sudo mkdir /mnt/C:SYSTEM"
[02:54] <Matt|> Pizbit, have you got xmms-themes installed at all?
[02:54] <Pizbit> Matt|: Nope
[02:54] <Matt|> hmm
[02:54] <bob2> the_one: you can call it that if you like, it's just a bit un-unixy
[02:54] <the_one> it takes time to change after years of windows
[02:54] <the_one> sorry
[02:54] <bob2> the_one: it's fine
[02:54] <the_one> I prefer one step at a time
[02:55] <bob2> that's cool
[02:55] <the_one> not the whole jump
[02:55] <thoreauputic> bob2: a bit? You are a master of understatement ! :)
[02:55] <Pizbit> the_one: You jump up, and worry about the comming down again for another day eh?:)
[02:56] <|trey|> the_one, its really not that hard to understand... everything is just moved up, so you don't need to specify drive... cdrom etc are just mounted to the filesystem where ever you want them...
[02:56] <the_one> I just hate when people don't take time to learn and want to do everything in one move, then they say that linux is hard and it sucks, I hate that
[02:56] <|trey|> the_one, plus what I said earlier = all you need to know about unix fs's  :)
[02:57] <housetier> don't spread the hate
[02:57] <housetier> spread the love
[02:57] <bob2> understanding mounting is a pretty big step
[02:57] <the_one> I really am trying to prepare for a complete move to linux by the time shorthorn ships
[02:57] <|trey|> housetier, how hippiesh of you   ;)
[02:57] <mina_linux_Tux> FluFlo: tried make and an error : the present Kernel configuration has modules disabled
[02:58] <FluFlo> mina_linux_Tux, that is really strange
[02:58] <thoreauputic> the_one: well, the nice thing is in Linux you can call that directory whatever you please :)
[02:58] <eclipse> anyone knows where can i get driver for my nvidia card?
[02:58] <mina_linux_Tux> FluFlo: So ?
[02:58] <Pizbit> thoreauputic: Let's see you rename / to something eh?:)
[02:58] <FluFlo> mina_linux_Tux, what is the oputput of "uname -a" in your system?
[02:58] <bob2> eclipse: you mean the binary-only ones?  wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:58] <eclipse> yes
[02:58] <eclipse> thnx bob2
[02:59] <the_one> it worked!
[02:59] <Pizbit> Yay:)
[02:59] <the_one> first with mkdir
[02:59] <bob2> the_one: cool!
[02:59] <Pizbit> Now to hit the sack, night!
[02:59] <the_one> then mount
[02:59] <thoreauputic> Pizbit: no I said "that" directory ( ie /mnt/somethingwindowsish) :)
[02:59] <spiv> bob2: You mean http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto ;)
[02:59] <Pizbit> thoreauputic: I know;) Was pulling your leg
[02:59] <the_one> thanks to you!
[02:59] <thoreauputic> Pizbit: :)
[03:00] <mina_linux_Tux> FluFlo: Linux 2.4.22-1.2115.nptl $date i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[03:00] <the_one> I have an external hard disk via USB
[03:00] <the_one> how should I mount that?
[03:01] <bob2> the_one: it should be mounted when you plug it in
[03:01] <thoreauputic> Pizbit: heh - I heard one guy say he wanted to remount everything except /home to /system because the unix file system was "ugly" :)
[03:01] <bob2> there's some distro that renames everything
[03:01] <thoreauputic> Pizbit: and he wasn't kidding ! :)
[03:01] <bob2> probably more than one
[03:01] <the_one> it's in ntfs too
[03:02] <bob2> the_one: you can only read from ntfs, unfortunately
[03:02] <bob2> and there may be a bug where it won't be automounted
[03:02] <FluFlo> mina_linux_Tux, I don't know if that kernel has module loading enabled. Should have it. But if for any reason has been desabled, there is nothing to do
[03:02] <the_one> I know that
[03:02] <|trey|> the_one, you can symlink it... would have worked... seems pointless though  :/
[03:02] <|trey|> thoreauputic, ^^
[03:02] <the_one> but I don't see it in computer:///
[03:02] <thoreauputic> bob2: I think linspire and xandros do something like that (renaming)
[03:02] <bob2> |trey|: symlink what?
[03:02] <the_one> nor do I see the fresly mounted C:
[03:03] <bob2> the_one: ctrl-l /mnt <enter>
[03:03] <mina_linux_Tux> FluFlo: nothing to do to enable Kernel module loading
[03:03] <FluFlo> mina_linux_Tux, oh wait. I know whats heppening
[03:03] <|trey|> bob2, kidding kinda... ln -l / /system
[03:03] <the_one> bob2: what does that do?
[03:03] <FluFlo> mina_linux_Tux, that module is for 2.6.x kernel series
[03:03] <bob2> |trey|: ah
[03:03] <FluFlo> mina_linux_Tux, you have a 2.4
[03:03] <bob2> the_one: go to where you mounted it
[03:03] <the_one> ok
[03:04] <bob2> well, near it
[03:04] <FluFlo> mina_linux_Tux, you should install  a new kernek 2.6, recompile and then modprobe it
[03:05] <mina_linux_Tux> or install another ADM8211 release previus ?
[03:05] <the_one> where is computer:/// located in my / ?
[03:05] <bob2> the_one: I'm not sure what it's supposed to reprazent
[03:05] <|trey|> the_one, its a vfolder, really no where, it points at a few things though...
[03:06] <the_one> how can I make it point to the ntfs partitions too?
[03:06] <FluFlo> mina_linux_Tux, maybe. But I have not found a driver for 2.4..sorry
[03:06] <|trey|> the_one, if its mounted, it should just show up there...
[03:06] <the_one> it is mounted I can see it in mnt/ but not in computer:///
[03:07] <|trey|> the_one, note, it will be in "Filesystem" though, wherever you put it...
[03:07] <the_one> ok
[03:07] <|trey|> the_one, as far as the system is concerned, its just part of / now... perhaps external fs's should go in there though
[03:07] <Matt|> are the gnome guys working on burning audio cds from nautilus?
[03:08] <the_one> so I have to go to mnt/ each time I need to access my ntfs partition
[03:08] <|trey|> Matt|, no, from Rhythmbox...
[03:08] <|trey|> the_one, yes
[03:08] <bob2> Matt|: and from coaster
[03:08] <Matt|> oh from rhythmbox
[03:08] <Matt|> hmm
[03:09] <|trey|> bob2, coaster likely to get into 2.10?
[03:09] <nefertati> bob2 icant connet to internet :(
[03:09] <bob2> |trey|: don't know
[03:09] <bob2> nefertati: ok...
[03:09] <bob2> you need to give me a lot more context, I don't remember what your problem was 10 hours ago
[03:10] <mina_linux_Tux> FluFlo: kernel 2.4 doesn't support module loading ?
[03:11] <thoreauputic> nefertati: do you want me to explain, or would you rather tell bob2 yourself?
[03:11] <the_one> guys, I have a second ntfs partition, in fstab I added a line with the same as earlier, but dev/hda2 and mnt?D:STORAGE. AFter mkdir mnt?D:STORAGE I tried mount mnt/D:STORAGE and it gave me the following: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2,
[03:11] <the_one>        or too many mounted file systems
[03:11] <the_one>        (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[03:11] <the_one>        instead of some logical partition inside?)
[03:12] <bob2> the_one: you need to be more exact
[03:12] <bob2> the_one: it looks like you made a bunch of typoes in there
[03:12] <the_one> yeah
[03:12] <the_one> I did
[03:12] <thoreauputic> bob2: I've been helping and nefertati has got as far as connecting - but there seems to be an authentication problem with her ISP
[03:12] <the_one> but not in the concole
[03:12] <the_one> console
[03:12] <thoreauputic> bob2: she asked me to explain
[03:12] <the_one> sorry, trying to type quickly
[03:13] <bob2> the_one: ok
[03:13] <bob2> thoreauputic: ok
[03:13] <FluFlo> mina_linux_Tux, yes. but that option must be enabled during kernel compilation.
[03:13] <Encrypted_> the_one.. if u type "mount -t ntfs -o ro /dev/hda2 /mnt/D:STORAGE" does it work ?
[03:13] <thoreauputic> bob2: apparently her ISP is not using pap or chap
[03:13] <the_one> if it is in a logical drive, the second partition, is it hda2 or hda3?
[03:13] <bob2> hda5, iirc
[03:13] <Encrypted_> startsx at 5
[03:14] <Encrypted_>  /dev/hda5 = first logical partition
[03:14] <the_one> hda5? ok
[03:14] <thoreauputic> bob2: btw acording to netcraft, her ISP is running win 2k (I was wondering if they use some non-standard auth method)
[03:14] <the_one> so what could be the external HDD?
[03:15] <Encrypted_> usb external ?
[03:15] <the_one> yes
[03:15] <bob2> the_one: "sudo tail -f /var/log/messages", then plug it in
[03:15] <bob2> the lines that get printed should show you
[03:15] <Encrypted_> the_one, that would be listed as a scsi drive
[03:17] <the_one> SCSI device sda
[03:17] <the_one> /dev/scsi/host4/bus0/target0/lun0: p1
[03:18] <Encrypted_> the_one: shows one partition, so mount /dev/scsi/host4/bus0/target0/lun0/part1
[03:18] <the_one> in /mnt?
[03:18] <the_one> do I need to edit fstb for it?
[03:19] <Encrypted_> the_one: mkdir /mnt/usb; mount /dev/scsi/host4/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /mnt/usb
[03:19] <Encrypted_> the_one: unfortunately devfs doesnt remove the scsi directories correctly so the device is going to move around
[03:19] <thoreauputic> bob2: if it helps (re nefertati) she says she's getting some kind of "chat" response from her ISP, but she called them and they are clueless about what protocols they are using for authentication.
[03:20] <bob2> Encrypted_: ubuntu doesn't use devfs
[03:20] <Encrypted_> the_one: if u remove the scsi drive and reinsert it, it will become host5, then host6, and so on
[03:20] <britt_> hey lemme ask a Question
[03:20] <the_one> encrypted: thanks, will try now
[03:20] <bob2> Encrypted_: I'm pretty sure udev doesn't have that issue
[03:20] <britt_> I have a laptop with the mew Ubuntu
[03:20] <Encrypted_> udev sorts that out yes
[03:20] <bob2> thoreauputic: does chat auth work?
[03:21] <britt_> I was wondering if there was a way to Force 10BaseT through a console command
[03:21] <britt_> after boot
[03:21] <britt_> and just temporary
[03:21] <thoreauputic> bob2: unfortunately I don't know how to walk her through that as I've not used it
[03:21] <bob2> britt_: mii-tool, if your card supports it
[03:22] <nefertati> sometimes it works it dials but then it stops. chat auth askes me to write a login promt
[03:22] <bob2> does pppoeconf give you a "chat" auth option?
[03:22] <bob2> pppconfig does
[03:22] <britt_> operation not supported
[03:22] <britt_> so i'm screwed?
[03:23] <bob2> are you?
[03:23] <bob2> it just means you can't force it
[03:23] <bob2> it shouldn't ever matter unless you have broken hardware on the other end
[03:23] <britt_> well its unusabel right now
[03:23] <nefertati> i types pppconfig bob2
[03:23] <britt_> my ethernet card doesnt like the switches her
[03:23] <britt_> here*
[03:23] <thoreauputic> bob2: yes she tried all the options and chat is the only one that appears to work at all
[03:24] <the_one> encrypted, when mounting I get: mount: special device /dev/scsi/host4/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 does not exist
[03:24] <britt_> well i think it worked
[03:24] <bob2> the_one: mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/sda1 /mnt/D:WHATEVER
[03:24] <nefertati> and not always
[03:24] <Encrypted_> the_one: ls /dev/scsi/host4/bus0/target0/lun0/
[03:24] <bob2> nefertati: it does sometimes work?
[03:25] <bob2> Encrypted_: you know ubuntu doesn't use devfs, right?
[03:25] <nefertati> yes bob 2 sometimes. other times i hear the tone and then stops
[03:25] <thoreauputic> bob2: she gets dial tone, dial, but can't log on apparently
[03:26] <the_one> bob2: it worked
[03:26] <Encrypted_> well.. im gathering he got the path from dmesg, or his syslog, so what the kernel says goes
[03:26] <bob2> no
[03:26] <the_one> how can I make it mount back at boot time?
[03:26] <Encrypted_> very nice.. since devfs is like the plague
[03:27] <the_one> or will it stay mounted?
[03:27] <Encrypted_> have to put it in fstab to mount on boot
[03:28] <Keybuk> Encrypted_: played by Fisher Stevens and prone to riding skateboards?
[03:28] <the_one> so I add dev/sda
[03:28] <Encrypted_> if the device isnt always there use the noauto option and manually mount when u insert it
[03:28] <the_one> where do I put noauto?
[03:29] <Encrypted_> never seen fisher stevens and never touched a skateboard
[03:29] <bob2> thoreauputic: nefertati I don't have any ideas at the moment, sorry
[03:29] <bob2> thoreauputic: nefertati try asking on the list, I'll have a look in the morning when I can concentrate
[03:29] <Encrypted_> 4th field in fstab
[03:29] <britt_> so guys is this the only way to force speeds
[03:30] <bob2> britt_: aside from fixing your hardware
[03:30] <Encrypted_> lol, nm key, i get it now
[03:30] <britt_> what about USB
[03:30] <Encrypted_> half asleep at 16:30!
[03:31] <thoreauputic> bob2: OK thanks anyway :)
[03:31] <britt_> how hard is it to configure a USB ethernet card
[03:31] <the_one> one more question, I promise
[03:31] <bob2> britt_: it should Just Work when you plug it in
[03:31] <Encrypted_> and ive still seen that movie about 20 times for some strange reason
[03:31] <bob2> assuming there's a driver
[03:31] <the_one> how do I make a "shortcut" to mnt on my desktop?
[03:31] <britt_> cool
[03:31] <britt_> lemme try
[03:33] <the_one> thank you bob2, encrypted for the help
[03:33] <bob2> you're welcome
[03:33] <the_one> going to reboot to see if everything in fstab is working
[03:33] <the_one> see you
[03:33] <the_one> bye
[03:34] <Treenaks> the_one: you can try
[03:34] <Treenaks> the_one: mount -a
[03:34] <the_one> ok
[03:34] <britt_> thank you bob2
[03:34] <the_one> what does -a stand for? "all"?
[03:34] <lupus_> can't someone make a package for gstreamer with xvid support :p
[03:34] <Treenaks> the_one: yes
[03:34] <Treenaks> the_one: look at the man page
[03:34] <mercurus> a stands for automatic
[03:34] <bob2> lupus_: because no one wants to go to a US prison for the rest of their lives
[03:35] <lupus_> euhm
[03:35] <mercurus> so it'll mount all the "auto" filesystems
[03:35] <lupus_> a european :)
[03:35] <lupus_> not someone from the US ..
[03:35] <lupus_> an
[03:35] <Treenaks> wasnt' Xvid "Free"?
[03:35] <bob2> mpeg-4 is patent-encumbered
[03:36] <Treenaks> argh
[03:36] <Treenaks> stupid legal systems
[03:36] <jamaas> Hi all, I'm trying to get a linmodem working, am looking at dmesg, can more than one device have the same irq?  Both my modem and my wireless card seem to be set at irq 10 ?
[03:36] <lupus_> or write a little guide how you can create sutch a package :)
[03:36] <Treenaks> bob2: so basically, it's best to convince the l33t k1dd13s to release stuff in theora/vorbis?
[03:37] <bob2> well
[03:38] <bob2> if you're not worried about copyright infringement charges for getting said warez, why would you worry about using an infringing codec?
[03:38] <haggai> jamaas: that's fine for eg PCI
[03:39] <Treenaks> bob2: well, because it falls under "home copying" for me (.nl), so if I only download it and don't share it afterwards, it's legal
[03:40] <bob2> your country may or may not recognise the patents then
[03:40] <jamaas> haggai: thanks for that,  going back to the dos days, didn't look right!  next question is that I seem to have a two sets of conflicting modules loaded, one that begins snd_*  and the ones I want to try beginning hsf*, is there a way to do this without destroying everything?  Thanks BTW :)
[03:40] <Treenaks> bob2: not sure about that
[03:40] <mirak> BrittBS: as usb ethernet card .
[03:40] <mirak> ?
[03:42] <mirak__> hihi?
[03:43] <mirak__>  /msg NickOP register AbC123 user@domain.com
[03:43] <mirak__> 
[03:43] <mirak__>  /msg NickOP register AbC123 user@domain.com
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[03:44] <eim> Am I right if I say that deborphan won't consider ubuntu packages but only native packages? Thanks for correcting me if false.
[03:45] <kensai> Is there any howto install kde in ubunut?
[03:46] <kensai> I can't through apt
[03:46] <bur[n] er> add universe /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:46] <bur[n] er> then apt-get install kde
[03:46] <kensai> I have universe
[03:46] <bur[n] er> done
[03:46] <bur[n] er> did you update?
[03:46] <bur[n] er> 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kde'
[03:47] <kensai> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:47] <kensai>   kde: Depends: kde-amusements but it is not going to be installed
[03:47] <kensai>        Depends: kdeaddons but it is not going to be installed
[03:47] <kensai>        Depends: kdepim but it is not going to be installed
[03:47] <kensai>        Depends: kdeutils but it is not going to be installed
[03:47] <kensai> E: Broken packages
[03:47] <kensai> adn yes I updated thats the error I always get ^
[03:48] <bur[n] er> just do 'apt-get install konqueror' ;)
[03:48] <bur[n] er> screw the addons for now
[03:48] <bur[n] er> or add debian sources
[03:49] <kensai> apt-get install konqueror works but does I have a working kde after that?
[03:49] <Matt|> it should install kde with it i guess
[03:50] <Matt|> apt-get install kde should work though :(
[03:50] <kensai> Does it matters that I am on Hoary and not in warty?
[03:50] <Matt|> yes maybe
[03:50] <Matt|> report it to someone?
[03:51] <britt_> kde installs fine
[03:51] <britt_> tried it yesterday
[03:51] <Matt|> have you done the dist-update, update, upgrade?
[03:51] <britt_> apt-get install kde
[03:51] <bur[n] er> kensai: yes, you do have a working kde after install konqueror
[03:51] <kensai> Matt|: I have done that
[03:51] <bur[n] er> you won't have a working kdepim... which means kontact... but that can be fixed later
[03:52] <bur[n] er> i'd say just go with the debian sources
[03:52] <kensai> bur[n] er: I don't see the pakage kde selected after apt-get install konqueror
[03:52] <bur[n] er> they're newer anyway
[03:52] <bur[n] er> kensai: kde is a metapackage
[03:52] <bur[n] er> apt-cache show kde
[03:52] <bur[n] er> you'll see
[03:52] <bur[n] er> after konqueror, you will have kde-core
[03:52] <kensai> Ohh ok
[03:52] <bur[n] er> which is the stuff to get the window manager
[03:53] <kensai> Ohh ok apt-get install kde-core works
[03:53] <bur[n] er> just do konq ;)
[03:53] <bur[n] er> you'll get more tha njust he core
[03:54] <kensai> should I install kde-core with all dependencies and I have kde working?
[03:54] <mirak> britt_: it's possible to install kde ?
[03:55] <bur[n] er> kensai: yes
[03:55] <britt_> yeah
[03:55] <kensai> Thanks very much
[03:55] <britt_> i just havent got it to boot with startx
[03:55] <britt_> but yeah
[03:55] <bur[n] er> why use ubuntu if you want kde though
[03:55] <bur[n] er> i don't get it
[03:55] <britt_> it take 434MB
[03:55] <britt_> just apt-get install kde
[03:55] <britt_> and it'll do it all
[03:56] <bur[n] er> britt_: just edit your ~/.xsession for startx to work
[03:56] <bur[n] er> or just use gdm to load kde
[03:56] <britt_> cool thing
[03:56] <kensai> I just needed qt-designer thats why I install kde
[03:56] <bur[n] er> or use kdm
[03:56] <bur[n] er> kensai: apt-get install qt-designer? ;)
[03:56] <Matt|> is anyone in here italian?
[03:56] <bur[n] er> u can run it from within gnome
[03:56] <kensai> no butqt-designer does not work on gnome
[03:56] <Treenaks> kensai: of course it does..
[03:57] <kensai> I've installed it and it does not launch
[03:57] <Treenaks> kensai: if it's an X app you can run it..
[03:57] <Treenaks> kensai: type the name ,see what kind of error message you get
[03:57] <kensai> it uses qt from kde
[03:57] <Treenaks> kensai: that doesn't make it "not work" with gnome
[03:57] <Matt|> kensai, you have install the packages it needs and run it in gnome
[03:58] <Matt|> *can
[04:00] <kensai> I'll try once more
[04:01] <Treenaks> fish:/ ?
[04:04] <britt_> what's nautilus?
[04:04] <bur[n] er> you're kidding?
[04:04] <Matt|> what is fish:/?
[04:04] <bur[n] er> Treenaks: fish == file transfer over ssh... a front end for scp basically
[04:04] <Matt|> ahhh
[04:04] <bur[n] er> very handy :)
[04:04] <Treenaks> bur[n] er: nautilus does sftp://
[04:05] <bur[n] er> i'd been wining 'winscp' up until then
[04:05] <Matt|> yeah i tried to file tranfer over ssh with nautilus the other day and it was rubbish
[04:05] <bur[n] er> sftp:// != scp
[04:05] <bur[n] er> you have to have an sftp server running
[04:05] <bur[n] er> i, however, do not... and don't want to
[04:05] <Treenaks> bur[n] er: uh.. that's the same as an ssh server
[04:05] <britt_> dude
[04:06] <bur[n] er> yeah?  i can't sftp into my box
[04:06] <britt_> i'm a console user
[04:06] <mirak> I was wondering, in ubuntu, there is absolutely NO kdelibs at all ?
[04:06] <Treenaks> bur[n] er: strange.. it's on by defauly in ubuntu/debian
[04:06] <britt_> I dont do this X thing
[04:06] <Treenaks> mirak: there are, in universe
[04:06] <britt_> I've been in gnome once
[04:06] <bur[n] er> u sure?  i have debian on my server
[04:06] <kensai> ok now how I launch qt3-designer?
[04:06] <Treenaks> bur[n] er: yes.. try using an ssh:// url then.. it _should_ work, really
[04:06] <bur[n] er> hrm...
[04:07] <bur[n] er> well, i can't try now, i gotta go to work
[04:07] <Treenaks> and plain commandline sftp works fine as well
[04:07] <bur[n] er> but i can when i get back
[04:07] <bur[n] er> worth a shot anyway
[04:07] <bur[n] er> bleh
[04:07] <bur[n] er> i dont' want command line
[04:07] <bur[n] er> it's a pain to browse and move, etc
[04:07] <Matt|> bur[n] er, you don't need an sftp server, just ssh
[04:07] <Matt|> open new server from nautilus --> ssh
[04:08] <bur[n] er> ugh... can't i just type 'ssh://blah' in the address bar of nautilus?
[04:08] <bur[n] er> i hate that whole, create an icon first to mount it, etc
[04:08] <bur[n] er> in any event, work time... really gotta go
[04:08] <bur[n] er> see ya's
[04:08] <bur[n] er> thanks for the advice
[04:09] <Matt|> bye
[04:09] <bur[n] er> now if only samba to a windows box would work from nautilus... life would be better in gnome
[04:09] <Matt|> you can type sftp://blah in the address
[04:09] <Matt|> i hope
[04:09] <Matt|> sftp://matt@192.168.2.3/home/matt
[04:11] <cardador> bur[n] er: my samba works
[04:11] <cenerentola> all the ladies cant hear you
[04:11] <Matt|> cerentola i need some help
[04:11] <Matt|> sorry
[04:11] <cenerentola> ahhhh
[04:11] <Matt|> cenerentola
[04:11] <cenerentola> that's my job
[04:11] <cenerentola> matt: go on
[04:12] <Matt|> how would you say "concorso" in english?
[04:12] <bratsche> How stable is Hoary?
[04:12] <cenerentola> wait
[04:12] <joolz> does it have xorg with alpha blending?
[04:12] <Matt|> joolz, not yet
[04:12] <joolz> ah, too bad
[04:12] <Matt|> joolz, apparently coming soon
[04:12] <cenerentola> contest
[04:12] <joolz> cool
[04:13] <Matt|> cenerentola, did I say check a crappy internet dictionary?
[04:13] <Matt|> :(
[04:13] <mirak> is there some kind of net install cd of ubuntu ?
[04:13] <cenerentola> matt: did i check a crappy internet dictionary?
[04:13] <cenerentola> well gimme the complete sentence
[04:13] <Matt|> cenerentola, well that was the translation i found on the net
[04:13] <Matt|> cenerentola, i don't have a complete sentence
[04:13] <cenerentola> competition
[04:14] <Matt|> hmm
[04:14] <Matt|> no good
[04:14] <Matt|> :(
[04:14] <Matt|> it can't be done
[04:14] <cenerentola> to get a public job you do a concorso...
[04:15] <Matt|> yeah
[04:15] <Matt|> we don't have anything like that
[04:15] <cenerentola> trial
[04:15] <Matt|> lol
[04:15] <cenerentola> mmm non
[04:16] <cenerentola> i think contest suit..
[04:16] <Matt|> since we don't have it, it is impossible to describe
[04:16] <Matt|> no english person would understand the concept
[04:16] <Matt|> without a full description
[04:16] <britt_> so anyway kde installs
[04:16] <britt_> fine
[04:16] <Matt|> Britt_ good
[04:16] <Matt|> is it good?
[04:17] <britt_> um yeah
[04:17] <Matt|> fast?
[04:17] <britt_> it looks coo
[04:17] <britt_> but i dont use it
[04:17] <yann__> hi, has anyone got java 1.4* working on warthy? I followed the instructions but it always fails installing from the *.bin file from sun...
[04:17] <Matt|> Britt_ you on hoary?
[04:18] <jbiscont> yes it works
[04:18] <bratsche> To use Hoary, do you just changed "warty" to "hoary" in Synaptic's repository setup?
[04:18] <bratsche> Then upgrade?
[04:18] <Matt|> bratsche, yup
[04:18] <jbiscont> but u must do few steps before use java directly from bash
[04:18] <Matt|> all the repos
[04:18] <cenerentola> there must be..
[04:19] <britt_> 4.10 Warty
[04:19] <Matt|> cenerentola, we have exams, but the problem is the concept of the graduttoria
[04:19] <yann__> jbiscont: i am even failling on installing, how did you do it?
[04:19] <Matt|> here, either you pass or you fail
[04:19] <jbiscont> yann__ I just sh *.bin
[04:19] <cenerentola> well you pass or fail... but the graduatoria.. is needed for limited vacancies
[04:20] <fissy> hi, i'm trying to compile some software and it complains gcc is missing, though i've installed gcc3.4 using synaptic... do i need to create a gcc symlink?
[04:20] <jbiscont> yann__: what is the error message
[04:20] <jbiscont> ?
[04:20] <yann__> jbiscont: i tried chmod a+x jdk*; sudo ./jdk* ... well trying again...
[04:21] <Matt|> fissy, does the command gcc work?
[04:21] <fissy> bash: gcc: command not found
[04:21] <britt_> apt-get install gcc
[04:21] <Matt|> fissy, you need to install it
[04:21] <fissy> david@darwin:~ $ gcc-3.4
[04:21] <fissy> gcc-3.4: no input files
[04:21] <fissy> really?
[04:21] <cenerentola> what does concourse mean?
[04:21] <jbiscont> yann__: but the execution with the .bon worked wekk?
[04:21] <fissy> i have gcc... Matt|
[04:22] <fissy> just not "gcc"
[04:22] <Matt|> fissy, yes, you have to install gcc
[04:22] <spiv> fissy: install build-essential
[04:22] <Matt|> without the 3.4
[04:22] <jamaas> Newbie here again... Is it possible for me to get a 2.4 kernel that is already compiled, and load it on this pc such that I I can boot from it or the regular 2.6 kernel?  Thanks
[04:23] <Striss> is it possible to install ubuntu on an old P200 machine?
[04:23] <Matt|> jamaas, unwise
[04:23] <fissy> why would i want build-essential?
[04:23] <yann__> jbiscont: nope, that was the problem. I tried the 1.5 too and get the same error:
[04:23] <Matt|> fissy, have you got the package "gcc"?
[04:23] <britt_> Striss: hell yeah!
[04:23] <cenerentola> matt: what does concourse mean?
[04:23] <Matt|> fissy, the "no command found" indicates that you haven't
[04:23] <Striss> i have another old box here next  to my computer, i wanna put linux on it and just use it for something random
[04:23] <cenerentola> matt: answer or lock your gf
[04:23] <Matt|> cenerentola, it is something totally diff
[04:23] <yann__> jbiscont: ./jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin: line 336: ./install.sfx.5220: cannot execute binary file
[04:23] <yann__> ./jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin: line 1: cd: jdk1.5.0: File or directory not found
[04:24] <jamaas> Matt:why is it particularly unwise, seems the only option to use a certain linmodem?
[04:24] <fissy> Matt|, just doing it now, though its going to install gcc-3.3, when i already have gcc-3.4
[04:24] <jbiscont> yann_: wait I just look how did I install this!
[04:25] <Matt|> fissy, yes
[04:25] <Matt|> fissy, it will work though
[04:25] <fissy> ok.... what would i do if iwanted to use gcc-3.4 though?
[04:26] <jbiscont> yann__: try to write sh on the terminal
[04:26] <fissy> i'm not overly bothered, i just installed 3.4 because i assumed it would work
[04:26] <spiv> fissy: build-essential gives you a handful of dependencies you likely need, such as gcc, make and libc6-dev.
[04:26] <yann__> jbiscont: just sh??
[04:26] <fissy> ah ok spiv
[04:26] <fissy> i'm fairly sure i have make, its what complains about gcc being missing
[04:26] <jbiscont> yann__: yes to see if you can execute binary files from sh
[04:26] <mwh_> anyone know how to get danish spelling in openoffice in ubuntu?
[04:26] <spiv> fissy: The gcc version in warty is 3.3, because that's what it was built with.
[04:27] <mwh_> cant seem to find a danish myspell
[04:27] <yann__> jbiscont: k, got sh (bash?!) shell
[04:27] <yann__> jbiscont: no error
[04:27] <spiv> fissy: There were some C++ ABI changes between 3.3 and 3.4 iirc, so having the system gcc be 3.3 makes sense.
[04:28] <spiv> fissy: If you want to compile with 3.4, well, install it and just run "gcc-3.4" instead of "gcc" :)
[04:28] <jbiscont> yann__: ah, so are you sure you had downloaded the right .bin, I mean did you try to re-download it?
[04:28] <spiv> fissy: (or possibly "make CC=gcc-3.4", or whatever)
[04:28] <fissy> spiv, how would i edit that in the make file?
[04:28] <fissy> ahh :), one step ahead
[04:29] <spiv> fissy: what are you building, btw?
[04:29] <jamaas> could anyone please tell me how to remove some snd_ modules and replace them with hsf modules ?  Thanks :)
[04:29] <fissy> spiv, 'root'
[04:30] <ftwig> Anyone kmow how to rerun the bit of the install whitch probes/sets up X
[04:30] <TongMaster> spiv!
[04:30] <fissy> a scientific analysis package from CERN
[04:30] <Matt|> jamaas, you can remove modules from the kernel by doing "sudo modprobe -r module_name"
[04:30] <spiv> fissy: Ah :)
[04:30] <fissy> spiv, i need it for a dark matter project i'm working on
[04:30] <mameluke> does ubuntu have 	Linux (x86/Motif) ore 	Linux (x86/GTK 2) ?
[04:30] <TongMaster> Have you forsaken a tote on the #pipe, spiv?
[04:30] <Matt|> jamaas, insert them by doing "modprobe module_name"
[04:30] <yann__> jbiscont: I took the NOT rpm file
[04:30] <spiv> fissy: I asked because it's surprising how many people want to build something that's already in universe, so it's worth checking :)
[04:31] <Matt|> jamaas, you do not delete them when you remove them, you just unload them from the kernel
[04:31] <fissy> spiv, yeah i had a look first :)
[04:31] <jbiscont> yann__: if you want to try with an rpm it's (almost) the same if you want to make java prog
[04:31] <spiv> ftwig: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XautoconfigurationDebug
[04:32] <yann__> jbiscont: ok, i'll try the rpm file then, how do I go about installing that, same thing just: sh *.bin?
[04:32] <jamaas> Matt: thanks  BTW, that is what I've been attempting to do, some sort of conflict and cant get hsf modules active
[04:33] <yann__> jbiscont: downloaded the file several times since I thought the binary might be corrupt
[04:35] <ftwig> spiv:will have a look - thanks
[04:35] <kensai> Thanks guys I'm now at KDE and have qt3-designer working ;)
[04:35] <Matt|> cool
[04:36] <jamaas> Matt: what do you do if it returns that the module is in use?  Thanks
[04:37] <Matt|> jamaas, stop using it?
[04:37] <jbiscont> yann__: sorry, but you must fix the problem by yourself
[04:37] <Matt|> jamaas, btw try and use my nick when replying to me, i.e.: "Matt|": that way I can see your message better and can answer quickly
[04:37] <jbiscont> yann__: cause I can't see how this happend
[04:37] <jbiscont> yann__: sorry
[04:38] <jamaas> Matt, would love to, am using Gaim, but not intelligent enough to figure out how to do that ... :(
[04:38] <Matt|> ah i c
[04:39] <Matt|> jamaas, try using the tab button to complete nicks
[04:39] <yann__> jbiscont: thx anyways
[04:40] <[mirak] > Matt|, ooo...that tab thing is nice
[04:40] <britt_> hey
[04:40] <britt_> i asked this b4
[04:40] <britt_> how do i get kde st start via startx
[04:40] <britt_> to*
[04:40] <jamaas> ok ..... uhm ... society has spent (wasted?) a lot of money to educate me ... but I don't get it ..:-[
[04:41] <Matt|> lol
[04:41] <Matt|> jamaas, you know the tab button?
[04:41] <Matt|> jamaas, start typing someones name
[04:41] <Matt|> like mine: Ma
[04:41] <Matt|> then press TAB
[04:41] <jamaas> it just changes Ma to ma ?
[04:41] <[mirak] > maybe "mat"......ther are a few mat names
[04:41] <Matt|> jamaas, try Mat
[04:41] <[mirak] > err ma names
[04:42] <Matt|> btw does anyone know how to get bash-completion to work with man pages?
[04:42] <jamaas> Matt|: yippeee  still an idiot but a slightly less offensive one ... !
[04:42] <[mirak] > lol
[04:42] <Matt|> or apt-get install package names?
[04:42] <Matt|> lol
[04:42] <Matt|> yay jamaas
[04:43] <jamaas> Matt|: now these modules of mine ... its a bit of a circle.  hsfconfig will not work for me because the hsfmodules are not loaded (I think),, don't I at least get a smily face for something for learning the very difficult tab thing ....:-!
[04:44] <Matt|> :))))
[04:44] <jamaas> Matt|: now I feel better !
[04:45] <Matt|> jamaas, ok are you chatting on the computer you're trying to fix?
[04:45] <jamaas> Matt|: yup, with a sudo window open beside it
[04:45] <Matt|> right
[04:45] <Matt|> you need to stop using those modules if you want to remove em
[04:46] <Matt|> maybe?
[04:46] <Matt|> i thought you should be able to just remove em
[04:46] <jamaas> Matt|: ok, I presume they are loaded at boot time?
[04:46] <Matt|> yes
[04:46] <Matt|> lets work this out logically
[04:46] <Matt|> what modules do you want to load
[04:46] <Matt|> ?
[04:47] <britt_> hey how do i stop modprobe from mounting a non-existant floppy drive
[04:47] <jamaas> Matt|: Now your speakin my language!  hsfali
[04:47] <britt_> its loaded at boot
[04:47] <Matt|> Britt_: it mounts a non-existent drive? check your /etc/fstab
[04:47] <britt_> right
[04:47] <Matt|> jamaas, "modprobe hsfali" what do that give you?
[04:47] <britt_> how do i prevent it from doing that
[04:48] <britt_> I dont have a floppy in my laptop
[04:48] <britt_> it happens rigth after hotswap
[04:48] <britt_> during boot
[04:48] <jamaas> Matt|: returns Module hsfali not found
[04:49] <Matt|> jamaas, right, so who told you you needed that module?
[04:49] <Matt|> Britt_: dunno that sounds crazy
[04:50] <eim> Synaptic seems to have some troubles on powerpc. When I go into preferences, set something and go back I can't see the packages anymore. I have to delete the .synaptic stuff to fix the problem. This does not happen on i386. I know the problem also from Debian unstable.
[04:50] <britt_> i'm confused
[04:51] <britt_> why did modprobe find a floppy anyway
[04:51] <Matt|> britt_, actually i used to get a similar error on fedora
[04:51] <Matt|> never was a problem tho
[04:51] <britt_> right
[04:51] <britt_> it's like a check engine light on a car
[04:51] <britt_> just a minor annoyance
[04:51] <britt_> ;)
[04:52] <mjr> hmh, modprobe doesn't mount anything, it just loads the (floppy) driver
[04:52] <Matt|> yup
[04:52] <britt_> right
[04:52] <bob2> eim: file a bug if no one else has
[04:52] <britt_> so why would it be needed
[04:52] <britt_> I will
[04:52] <Matt|> lol
[04:53] <bratsche> Stupid question, but I'm still new to Ubuntu: I have scons installed from Universe.  But their website has a newer .deb file and I want to upgrade.  How do I upgrade it?
[04:53] <bob2> bratsche: you can try downloading the .deb and installing it, but then you're on your own
[04:53] <bratsche> Yes, I downloaded it.  But I don't know how to install it.  I come from an RPM background, and this .deb stuff frightens and confuses me still. =)
[04:54] <Matt|> is there a search tag for "modprobe" with which you can use wildcards?
[04:55] <yann__> find -name /lib/`uname -r` "what*ever" e.x. don't know any other
[04:55] <bob2> bratsche: sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[04:56] <bob2> bratsche: it may or may not work
[04:56] <bratsche> Thanks bob2.
[04:56] <eim> bob2: ok
[04:58] <yann__> Matt|: sorry, it has to be: find -name /lib/modules/`uname -r` "what*ever" e.x. don't know any other
[04:59] <Matt|> yann__, thanks
[05:00] <z0mbix_> anyone know a good Gtk sftp client?
[05:00] <Matt|> nautilus?
[05:01] <RuffianSoldier> gftp
[05:01] <Matt|> yeah that works
[05:02] <matthew> hello i have just installed ubuntu and can't manage to mount my old windows floppy disks
[05:02] <yann__> as far as I know gftp supports ftps but not sftp ( I think there is a difference, not quite sure though )
[05:02] <matthew> can anyone help
[05:02] <Matt|> matthew, hi, mount -t vfat disk
[05:02] <crimsun> yann__: ftps can be ftp over ssl; sftp uses ssh.
[05:02] <RuffianSoldier> never heard of that problem matthew
[05:02] <yann__> matthew: try sudo modprobe vfat
[05:03] <yann__> crimsun: thx!
[05:03] <crimsun> np
[05:03] <yann__> i must say i have really come to like this channel
[05:03] <RuffianSoldier> same
[05:04] <britt_> woah
[05:04] <matthew> sudo modprobe vfat worked can i make that happen on start up
[05:04] <britt_> this bug reporting stuff is more complicated than i thought
[05:04] <Matt|> lol
[05:04] <yann__> i just hope it does not get quite like the gentoo.de forum... to may noobs there that just do not read howto's and manuals
[05:04] <iz> dial 0900-ubuntu for linux support :)
[05:05] <britt_> i'm just too lazy
[05:05] <britt_> i have a working mind
[05:05] <britt_> and i'm willing to learn
[05:05] <Matt|> yann__, this is full of n00bs who do not read manuals, i like it
[05:05] <tux_> lo
[05:05] <yann__> matthew: just add vfat to /etc/modules
[05:05] <britt_> I read the manuals
[05:05] <tux_> i seem to be having problems with .bash_profile
[05:06] <matthew> yann__ thanks
[05:06] <tux_> im pointing to the /usr/je etc.. java folder and it still doesn't recognise it
[05:06] <tux_> can someone pm me their typical profile that works ?
[05:06] <Matt|> the day that someone in here says rtfm, i'll cry
[05:06] <Striss> rtfm!!
[05:06] <yann__> ;-)
[05:06] <Striss> hehe
[05:07] <yann__> well, but you can point the people to the right manual... and then tell them where about to find it...
[05:07] <yann__> usually google has an answer to a problem...
[05:07] <britt_> dude
[05:07] <britt_> I read the manual
[05:07] <britt_> I am just lazy
[05:07] <Matt|> this is a support channel: hence people get taken through things
[05:08] <Matt|> britt_, i'm with ya
[05:08] <Matt|> if you mum rang you up, saying "the computer isn't working" you wouldn't rtfm her
[05:08] <britt_> i just dont like being yelled at for my laziness
[05:08] <RuffianSoldier> ya
[05:08] <britt_> oh yeah i'm a guy too
[05:08] <britt_> BTW
[05:08] <yann__> ok, i will adjust myself then...
[05:08] <britt_> Britton is my full name
[05:08] <RuffianSoldier> coooolddddddd
[05:09] <RuffianSoldier> Brtoaom
[05:09] <yann__> yann is my full name ;-)
[05:09] <Matt|> britt_, did someone yell at ya?
[05:09] <RuffianSoldier> RuffianSoldier is my full name
[05:09] <RuffianSoldier> ;-)
[05:09] <Matt|> lol
[05:09] <Matt|> i hate my parents for calling me Matt|
[05:09] <RuffianSoldier> =)
[05:09] <RuffianSoldier> |
[05:09] <britt_> my mom calls me my full anme
[05:10] <britt_> I hate it too
[05:10] <RuffianSoldier> |trey|
[05:10] <britt_> but when I use britt
[05:10] <britt_> everybody is liek leave the girl alone guys
[05:10] <britt_> :(
[05:10] <Matt|> lol
[05:10] <yann__> you serious?? in here??
[05:10] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[05:11] <RuffianSoldier> im going to install Syllable today
[05:11] <RuffianSoldier> you guys know what that is?
[05:12] <RuffianSoldier> www.syllable.org
[05:12] <britt_> no
[05:12] <RuffianSoldier> it looks cute
[05:12] <britt_> i mena like in other places
[05:13] <no_name> bob2 i tryed everything but nothing
[05:13] <britt_> sigh*
[05:14] <RuffianSoldier> no_name
[05:14] <tux_> can someone help me with my .bash_profile ; i can't seem to get it to point at directories etc..
[05:14] <RuffianSoldier> go to #ubuntuflud
[05:14] <crimsun> tux_: what do you mean by "point at directories?"
[05:15] <RuffianSoldier> ----->
[05:15] <RuffianSoldier> ---->
[05:15] <tux_> well i want it to point to the java bin dir so as when i type, java it runs
[05:16] <britt_> like a $path entry
[05:16] <tux_> aye
[05:16] <crimsun> tux_: oh, do you mean to add $JAVA_HOME/bin to your $PATH?
[05:16] <britt_> hmm
[05:16] <tux_> yes
[05:16] <tux_> sorry about the confusion
[05:16] <no_name> can someone help because i cant connect to the inetrnet
[05:16] <darkersatanic> tux_: export PATH=${PATH}:/add/path/here
[05:16] <RuffianSoldier> how are you talking to us>
[05:16] <crimsun> tux_: prepend it to $PATH
[05:17] <tux_> i tired it didnt work
[05:17] <tux_> prob. doing it wrong
[05:17] <crimsun> tux_: were is jre/jdk installed?
[05:17] <tux_> can somone pm the default profile and ill show u what i did
[05:17] <crimsun> where?
[05:17] <darkersatanic> tux_: Also, read http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/BashStartup
[05:18] <britt_> damn I am hungry
[05:18] <britt_> sorry
[05:18] <britt_> um....i'm hungry
[05:18] <RuffianSoldier> Im Hungray for Turke and Chille
[05:19] <tux_> r
[05:19] <RuffianSoldier> Iran because Iraq!
[05:19] <britt_> well that would make me even more hungry
[05:19] <britt_> but i dont like chili
[05:19] <RuffianSoldier> mmmmmmm
[05:20] <britt_> yuck
[05:20] <britt_> i just odnt like the beans
[05:20] <britt_> dont
[05:20] <RuffianSoldier> agenteo
[05:20] <tux_> thx peeps ; will check it out :)
[05:21] <RuffianSoldier> ya dig?
[05:21] <britt_> um...
[05:21] <britt_> me?
[05:21] <RuffianSoldier> no
[05:21] <britt_> oh
[05:21] <RuffianSoldier> agenteo
[05:22] <no_name> i still cant connect to the internet
[05:22] <britt_> i really like apt-get
[05:22] <RuffianSoldier> how are you talking to us no_
[05:22] <RuffianSoldier> same britt_
[05:23] <britt_> it solves dependencies
[05:23] <britt_> I hated Suse
[05:23] <britt_> yuck!
[05:23] <RuffianSoldier> SUSE is awesome!
[05:23] <RuffianSoldier> is it SUSE bashing day or seomthing?
[05:23] <britt_> why
[05:23] <britt_> this is the first time i mentioned it
[05:23] <britt_> i like it
[05:23] <RuffianSoldier> every is talking about how they hate it
[05:24] <britt_> btu the packaging system is no match for apt-get
[05:24] <RuffianSoldier> true
[05:24] <RuffianSoldier> thats why Debian is the best!
[05:24] <britt_> sorry ruffian
[05:24] <mirak> hey
[05:24] <mirak> I am trying the live cd
[05:24] <RuffianSoldier> neat
[05:24] <britt_> cool
[05:24] <mirak> there is a problem with resolv.conf
[05:24] <britt_> not cool
[05:25] <mirak> any devs here ?
[05:25] <RuffianSoldier>  "britt_: sorry ruffian"?
[05:25] <britt_> for putting suse down
[05:25] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[05:25] <britt_> its cool....
[05:25] <mirak> In fact I use pppoe to connect, so I was disapointed to see that the config tool doesn't allow to config pppoe
[05:25] <britt_> just not whatever the packaging system is called
[05:26] <RuffianSoldier> Synaptic owns!
[05:26] <mirak> at the connection /etc/resolv.conf is not writted in, but instead of that it's /etc/ppp/resolv.conf
[05:26] <britt_> dont forget apt-get for the console ppl
[05:26] <britt_> :)
[05:26] <mirak> so I did a symbolic link
[05:26] <RuffianSoldier> write one mirak
[05:27] <RuffianSoldier> im a console person
[05:27] <mirak> either a symlink is missing, or the file is not written at the good place
[05:27] <RuffianSoldier> write one!
[05:28] <RuffianSoldier> then burn a new CD
[05:28] <RuffianSoldier> simple
[05:28] <mirak> Ruffian write one what ?
[05:28] <RuffianSoldier> write your own pppoe.conf or whatever
[05:28] <mirak> and remaster a live cd. I am not sure that so simple
[05:28] <no_name> can someone please help me??
[05:29] <RuffianSoldier> no_name, i will try
[05:29] <RuffianSoldier> pm me
[05:29] <britt_> how in the world is no_name talkign to us if he cant get online
[05:30] <RuffianSoldier> britt_. EXACTLY! I HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT!
[05:30] <britt_> I have no clue
[05:30] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[05:30] <britt_> something tells me you would need a IP to do IRC
[05:30] <britt_> (i'm positive)
[05:30] <RuffianSoldier> for rizzzzzle
[05:30] <britt_> lol
[05:30] <britt_> that made my day
[05:31] <britt_> :)
[05:31] <no_name> windows
[05:31] <RuffianSoldier> mandows
[05:31] <RuffianSoldier> mandows
[05:31] <RuffianSoldier> lindows
[05:31] <RuffianSoldier> lindows
[05:33] <Matt|> he probably has a dual boot or another rig
[05:33] <britt_> gotcha
[05:34] <RuffianSoldier> i have 5 working computers
[05:34] <britt_> i have 4 in my dormroom
[05:34] <britt_> hehe
[05:34] <britt_> i barely have room to sleep
[05:34] <eim> Anyone solved the iBook suspend-bug? I've applied the latest patch from bugzilla but my iBook still won't wake up once suspended. Thanks.
[05:34] <RuffianSoldier> i have 4 in my room
[05:34] <britt_> um
[05:34] <britt_> got a problem
[05:34] <Matt|> too many computers
[05:34] <britt_> just now
[05:34] <britt_> on my laptop
[05:34] <mirak> is it possible to install the ubuntu config tools on a standar debian ?
[05:35] <britt_> i have integrated 802.11b
[05:35] <RuffianSoldier> mirak, anything is possible in linux
[05:35] <britt_> and i enabled it in gnome
[05:35] <britt_> and restarted
[05:35] <britt_> and then I didnt want to use the wireless
[05:35] <mirak> RuffianSoldier, ?
[05:35] <britt_> is there anyway I could get it to work when i want to
[05:35] <britt_> ?
[05:35] <RuffianSoldier> mirak, you can do it, how do you think people make distros
[05:36] <RuffianSoldier> britt_, WiFi is a bitch in Linux
[05:36] <britt_> i know
[05:36] <Matt|> lol
[05:36] <mirak> RuffianSoldier, oh come on, I ask if I can use some debian package in ubuntu. I don't want to recreate a full distro
[05:36] <Matt|> not too bad
[05:36] <britt_> it was giving me some lookup crap
[05:36] <britt_> I had it in Suse
[05:36] <britt_> error 110
[05:36] <britt_> lookup failure or something
[05:36] <RuffianSoldier> mirak, there prolly is
[05:36] <britt_> bc i didnt wantr to use it
[05:37] <britt_> so...what file do i need to edit to make wireless not activate at boot
[05:37] <RuffianSoldier> zxy__ zxy___
[05:37] <britt_> bc in suse I set it up to where i had to do ifup eth0
[05:37] <britt_>  to enable ti
[05:37] <mirak> RuffianSoldier, hem, sorry I was meaning the opposite, install ubuntu package in debian
[05:37] <RuffianSoldier> [mirak]  mirak
[05:37] <RuffianSoldier> ya
[05:37] <RuffianSoldier> just find the package
[05:39] <Matt|> britt_, you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces
[05:39] <britt_> cool
[05:39] <Matt|> or even better
[05:39] <Matt|> run network-admin
[05:39] <britt_> i wish there was a ifup and ifdown
[05:39] <mirak> RuffianSoldier, ok I will try an install of ubuntu then. I am tired of out dated mandrake
[05:39] <zenwhen> Anyone using a Nvidia 6800 series graphics card in ubuntu?
[05:40] <zenwhen> an*
[05:40] <omnilab> hey guys. anyone here have luck with getting hardware accel in ubuntu using a radeon 9700 pro?
[05:40] <britt_> ubuntu is awesome
[05:40] <britt_> i love it
[05:40] <spiv> omnilab: I don't have that exact model, but have you seen http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[05:41] <zenwhen> My Nvidia 6800 will not work in ANY way with Ubuntu. It works fine in every other distro. I get the error that no devices are found.
[05:41] <britt_> tried running network-admin
[05:41] <shaver> mine works, with the binary drivers
[05:41] <shaver> 6800GT
[05:41] <britt_> (network-admin:4121): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[05:41] <shaver> the XFree ones don't know about the 6800's PCI ID or some such
[05:42] <zenwhen> oh
[05:42] <zenwhen> ok
[05:42] <shaver> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:42] <shaver> and then there's a script to run that enables it
[05:42] <zenwhen> GOing to have to hope i can get a network connection
[05:42] <shaver> yes, that will help
[05:42] <zenwhen> Because last time I tried ubuntu they had paid no attention to dialup.
[05:43] <shaver> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:43] <britt_> so whats goign on
[05:43] <Matt|> britt_, it is also in Computer --> system config --> networking
[05:43] <Matt|> you need X
[05:44] <britt_> lemme start it
[05:44] <omnilab> spiv: nope, i'll check that out
[05:44] <Matt|> otherwise just edit the file
[05:44] <spiv> omnilab: It worked my laptop's radeon.
[05:44] <britt_> i'll edit the file
[05:44] <britt_> so there is no ifup and ifdown
[05:44] <britt_> for ubuntu
[05:44] <britt_> bc i did...in suse just
[05:44] <britt_> do a ifup eth0
[05:45] <britt_> when i needed it
[05:45] <Matt|> it exists
[05:45] <britt_> no way
[05:45] <efb> are there precompiled packages of mplayer for ubuntu, or any way to use debian's ones? (not the tutorial on how to compile it)
[05:45] <Matt|> efb, yes there are
[05:45] <mirak> zenwhen, what is you problem ?
[05:45] <efb> Matt|, where?
[05:46] <Matt|> efb, you need to add the universe/multiverse repositories (can't remember which it is in)
[05:46] <britt_> I am a happy clam now
[05:46] <britt_> !
[05:46] <Matt|> can someone explain to me what bcc is exactly (on an email)?
[05:46] <efb> Matt|, what's the multiverse's sources.list line? (i have universe, and it doesn't have mplayer)
[05:47] <Matt|> k
[05:47] <Matt|> hang on
[05:47] <britt_> gotta go to class
[05:48] <efb> Matt|, when you send a bcc, the bcc'd people will receive the email, but the others won't know that you've sent copies to them
[05:48] <Matt|> efb, have pm'ed you my sources.list
[05:48] <Matt|> efb, great just what I wanted
[05:48] <Matt|> thanks
[05:49] <Matt|> gtg
[05:49] <Matt|> bye all
[05:54] <drakonim> Hi all,  anyone know if theres a package maintained that includes brctl for warty?
[05:56] <toyowheelin> hey all
[05:57] <toyowheelin> how dose ubuntu setup grub so that windows will boot
[05:58] <netmonk> can someone help me with my sound card, i have sound but when i try to opne Volume control it gives me: error: Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found
[05:58] <tseng> read /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:58] <drakonim> toyowheelin, in /boot/grub/menu.lst there is an entry that passes your boot request to windows's ntldr
[05:59] <toyowheelin> drakonim: thanks
[05:59] <drakonim> np, tseng beat me to it :-D
[05:59] <drakonim> found my brctl in bride-utils
[05:59] <drakonim> peace out all!
[06:00] <mirak> can I burn something with the live cd ?
[06:00] <[mirak] > do you have a open cd-r drive
[06:00] <[mirak] > unless the live cd will let you load it all to ram...and free up your cd-recorder
[06:01] <mirak> LOL
[06:01] <[mirak] > ?
[06:01] <mirak> [mirak] , common you can't change your damn nick ?
[06:01] <mirak> ROFL
[06:02] <[mirak] > I did
[06:02] <mirak> ok
[06:02] <mirak> it's ok
[06:02] <mirak> it should be ok
[06:02] <[mirak] > I registered this one.......no arguments
[06:02] <mirak> yes
[06:02] <hauntedunix> Puls` is doing onjoin spamming..
[06:02] <[mirak] > ??
[06:02] <mirak> the problem with the other is that xchat was blipping on your nick
[06:03] <[mirak] > blipping?
[06:03] <mirak> see if I doo [mirak] something
[06:04] <[mirak] > mirak, what made you decide on ubuntu?.....you used to hang in a nother room
[06:05] <mirak> I like debian uptodateness and mandrake friendly config tools, so a friend told me ubuntu was what I was looking for
[06:05] <Kirsch> anyway to install Gnome 2.9.1?
[06:05] <seb128> use hoary if you want to do this, but that's not a stable branch
[06:06] <mirak> oh, ubuntu live cd takes ages to load
[06:06] <Tomcat_> I don't like the Ubuntu Live...
[06:06] <mdz> CDs take ages to load
[06:06] <Kirsch> oh ok
[06:07] <LinuxJones> afternoon everybody
[06:07] <Kirsch> then nm
[06:07] <[mirak] > mirak, just install ubuntu..........its good
[06:07] <mirak> I need to burn the iso
[06:08] <minaural> anyone use mythtv with ubuntu?
[06:08] <[mirak] > ahh.....
[06:08] <minaural> im trying to decide between gentoo and ubuntu for my pvr box
[06:08] <mirak> I go on mandrake
[06:08] <[mirak] > minaural, ubuntu
[06:09] <minaural> is mythtv on the ubunto sources?
[06:09] <LinuxJones> minaural, there is a distro based on Knoppix that is designed for MythTV
[06:09] <minaural> yah i know
[06:09] <minaural> but i want a 2.6 kernel
[06:09] <LinuxJones> minaural, ahh
[06:09] <minaural> and that uses 2.4 i think
[06:09] <[mirak] > linuxjones, what is that distro called?.......the mythtv 1?
[06:09] <minaural> knopmyth
[06:09] <minaural> i used it before its pretty slick
[06:10] <minaural> http://mysettopbox.tv i think
[06:11] <LinuxJones> minaural, [mirak]  >> http://mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html
[06:12] <minaural> yah i was using it and i was having some performance problems
[06:12] <minaural> but it was probably cuz i got a slow pc
[06:12] <[mirak] > found it from google already...i just needed the name....thnx guys:)
[06:12] <lamont> time to flee
[06:12] <minaural> i tried windows mce2005 its horrible
[06:13] <tseng> minaural: do you have a hardware encoder?
[06:13] <tseng> that will be helpful
[06:13] <minaural> i have a hauppaguse 250
[06:13] <tseng> yes
[06:13] <minaural> it has a encoder
[06:13] <tseng> you can configure it in mythtv to use the encoder and not starve the cpu when recording
[06:13] <minaural> but anyways i upgraded my box so it should work better now
[06:13] <GnuHippy> could DMA enabled on my HDD cause adverse performance?
[06:14] <minaural> GnuHippy: would increase performance in most cases
[06:14] <GnuHippy> kk
[06:14] <cocaxx> hi ppl
[06:18] <cocaxx> hi
[06:18] <LinuxJones> srbaker, where you from ?
[06:19] <cocaxx> I booted the live-cd but I can't start cups: "Child exited with status 98"
[06:19] <srbaker> LinuxJones, halifax, ns
[06:19] <srbaker> canada
[06:19] <cocaxx> can sb. help me?
[06:19] <LinuxJones> srbaker, ahh I'm in CB
[06:19] <srbaker> LinuxJones, no way?  what town?
[06:19] <LinuxJones> srbaker, Florence :)
[06:19] <srbaker> i dont' know florence
[06:19] <srbaker> my whole family is from Glace Bayt.
[06:19] <srbaker> Glace Bay
[06:20] <LinuxJones> srbaker, It's jsut outsid eNorth Sydney
[06:20] <srbaker> ahh.  i've been to north sydney
[06:20] <srbaker> nice.
[06:20] <LinuxJones> heh
[06:20] <LinuxJones> Not as nice as Halifax :P
[06:23] <Kirsch> is there a program that can scan for SSID's?
[06:23] <Kirsch> just prints all the ones out in range?
[06:23] <cocaxx> Kirsch: wlan?
[06:24] <Kirsch> ?
[06:24] <Kirsch> Yea
[06:24] <cocaxx> iwlist ethx scan
[06:24] <FluFlo> I think wavemon can do it as well
[06:24] <cocaxx> bah, auto mounting of mass storage devices doesn't work, not for the sd card and not for the mp3player :(
[06:25] <Kirsch> "eth1 failed to read scan data : no data available"
[06:25] <cocaxx> dmesg says "mini_fo_setattr: ERROR, no unmodified file [2] "
[06:26] <cocaxx> but if I klick sdb1 in Computer > sdb1 it works
[06:26] <cocaxx> but this is shit because my sister should plug it in and the windows should appear, so its set in gvm
[06:26] <Kirsch> any other ideas?
[06:28] <paines> hi
[06:28] <cocaxx> no :(
[06:29] <cocaxx> LOL
[06:30] <cocaxx> /etc/init.d/halt status shuts the system down
[06:30] <cocaxx> *rofl*
[06:30] <opi> so you could know status
[06:30] <opi> it's off ;)
[06:39] <cocaxx> opi: :)
[06:40] <cocaxx> damn
[06:40] <cocaxx> but why does this fucking gvm not work??
[06:40] <cocaxx> I stick the mp3player in and nothing happens
[06:41] <ogra> hi all
[06:41] <LinuxJones> cocaxx, watch the language pls :)
[06:41] <LinuxJones> hi ogra
[06:41] <cocaxx> I know that my english sucks :)
[06:41] <cocaxx> ah
[06:41] <cocaxx> you mean fu*****
[06:41] <cocaxx> *G*
[06:43] <cocaxx> I thought that gvm works with ubuntu, but it doesn't
[06:43] <ficusplanet> cocaxx, It does over here.
[06:43] <ATJ> Talking about language, it would be nice that if I choose finnish as the default languge for my system, default language would be finnish or mixture of finnish and non-translatet parts (in english). But now many programs are in swedish. :P
[06:43] <ogra> cocaxx: got an out of the box ubuntu ?
[06:43] <cocaxx> live cd
[06:43] <ATJ> And yeah, I know. My english isn't good either. :)
[06:44] <cocaxx> ;)
[06:44] <Kirsch> ahh
[06:44] <Kirsch> cocaxx: you need to be root
[06:44] <Aard> Kirsch: s/root/uid 0/
[06:44] <cocaxx> so my sister has to be root to move mp3s to her mp3player?
[06:45] <Kirsch> LOL
[06:45] <Kirsch> no... the iwlist, u need to be root
[06:45] <Kirsch> haha
[06:45] <cocaxx> ah *GG*
[06:45] <Aard> Kirsch: s/root/uid 0/ ;)
[06:47] <Tiboz> hello
[06:48] <Kirsch> is there a program to hack a WEP password?
[06:48] <ficusplanet> airsnort
[06:53] <Tiboz> is hoary usable right now ?
[06:54] <daniels> yes
[06:54] <Tiboz> and it's not too broken ?
[06:54] <daniels> works for me
[06:55] <[mirak] > how do I get hoary???
[06:55] <[mirak] > just apt-get update?
[06:55] <daniels> and apt-get dist-upgrade, yes
[06:55] <daniels> but beware, it may break
[06:55] <daniels> not recommended if you don't have the skills to recover from breakages
[06:55] <[mirak] > well....i do that every day......
[06:56] <[mirak] > ill be ok..........
[06:56] <Tiboz> I'll try it then
[06:57] <[mirak] > I installed something from .deb yesterday...i feel invincible
[06:57] <Tiboz> :)
[06:57] <[mirak] > delt with the dependancies even
[06:58] <Tiboz> 571 mis  jour, 29 nouvellement installs
[06:58] <Tiboz> wooo
[06:58] <[mirak] > ??
[06:58] <Tiboz> sorry
[06:58] <[mirak] > its ok
[06:58] <Tiboz> 571 to update, 29 newly installed
[06:59] <Tiboz> 360 Mo to download
[06:59] <Tiboz> let's go for it
[06:59] <[mirak] > DO it
[07:06] <Cred> Does someone know when Rhythmbox is going to be updated? ;)
[07:06] <seb128> it's uptodate
[07:07] <seb128> no ?
[07:07] <seb128> oh no
[07:07] <seb128> Cred: I'll update it now
[07:07] <Cred> :o
[07:07] <Cred> Hehe, well.. no hurry. Was just asking ;)
[07:11] <Matt|> hmm
[07:11] <Matt|> the trash icon does not empty itself when I empty the trash
[07:12] <Matt|> is this a known issue?
[07:12] <paulproteus> That's fairly sad.
[07:12] <Matt|> ?
[07:13] <Matt|> in fact it still says "10 items in trash" when i hover over it
[07:13] <Matt|> is there something wrong with the trash applet?
[07:14] <kent> Matt|, it works for me.
[07:15] <Matt|> Kent, are you on warty?
[07:15] <LinuxJones> Matt|, maybe you don't have write permissions on the files ?
[07:16] <Matt|> LinuxJones, aha
[07:16] <Matt|> LinuxJones, but they are deleted i think
[07:16] <kent> Matt|, yes, im using warty
[07:16] <[mirak] > matt|, just stare at it angrily some more (not being mean....was funny to me)
[07:16] <LinuxJones> Matt|, :)
[07:16] <Matt|> LinuxJones, yeah is empty
[07:16] <Matt|> matt@kallisto:~/.Trash $ ls -a
[07:16] <Matt|> .  ..
[07:17] <Matt|> hmmmm
[07:18] <Matt|> damn
[07:24] <g3r4rd0> someone knows where mono packages will be updated for ubuntu??
[07:26] <g3r4rd0> i mean "when"
[07:29] <ploum> Hi
[07:29] <ploum> a new article :
[07:29] <ploum> http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/software/2004/0411051105.asp?A=LIN&S=Open%20Source&O=FPT
[07:32] <altan> Agfgh, I just can't help but feel that CD-ROM support is slightly broken, it won't let me unmount it or eject it at all when it's not even doing anything
[07:33] <Zimpee> hi
[07:33] <altan> anyone?
[07:33] <Striss> i always have to go into the terminal and type eject to get my cd's out, it won't work inside gnome
[07:33] <altan> I can't even unmount :(
[07:33] <altan> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[07:34] <Striss> are you in the cdrom's dir while you do thaT?
[07:34] <altan> nope
[07:34] <altan> all nautilus windows are closed
[07:34] <Matt|> right click on cd icon on the desktop and mount it
[07:34] <Matt|> right click on cd icon on the desktop and UNmount it
[07:34] <Striss> go into the terminal and just try typing eject
[07:34] <altan> Matt, I did that too
[07:34] <Striss> right clicking never works for me
[07:34] <Matt|> :(
[07:34] <Matt|> works here
[07:34] <Striss> altan, try the terminal
[07:34] <Striss> just type eject
[07:34] <Matt|> yup terminal should work
[07:34] <altan> yup, did that too
[07:34] <altan> unmout of /dev/hda has failed
[07:34] <altan> (hda is my cdrom drive)
[07:34] <Matt|> altan, you must be using it without knowing
[07:35] <Matt|> hda is your cdrom drive??!?
[07:35] <altan> yeah
[07:35] <altan> my HDDs are sda and sdb
[07:35] <altan> serial ata ahoy
[07:35] <Matt|> crazy
[07:35] <Matt|> ok
[07:35] <Matt|> fraid i don't know then
[07:35] <g3r4rd0> i cant make my cdrw works, someone can help me?
[07:35] <Matt|> have you got a link from /dev/cdrom to /dev/hda?
[07:35] <altan> yeah Matt
[07:36] <Matt|> meh
[07:36] <Matt|> damn
[07:36] <altan> it worked two minutes ago, I switched out two CDs
[07:36] <ficusplanet> Are there any plans for evolution to ever be split into smaller tools (ala Mac OS X) instead of one giant shell?
[07:37] <altan> ok, it worked, I had to shut down "nautilus throbber" though, whatever that is
[07:38] <altan> but... ah, no big loss for you guys, but my will is too weak, I just get everything done so much faster in Windows, I pretty much grew up with MS operating systems. you've been very helpful though, so I feel bad :/
[07:38] <altan> thanks
[07:38] <Matt|> another one bites the dust
[07:39] <netmonk> yep
[07:39] <Striss> i think i'll be going back to OS X soon, i can't deal very well without Photoshop and just having flash working in a web browser
[07:39] <Striss> can't get java to work either
[07:39] <Striss> my computer is not very functional with linux on it
[07:40] <Matt|> if you are a pro designer then you can't really use linux
[07:40] <Matt|> the industry expects photoshop :(
[07:40] <xenonite> it works with wine...
[07:40] <Striss> wine won't run on ppc
[07:41] <xenonite> ah okay
[07:41] <Striss> i can't even run quake3 on ppc linux, i was dissapointed at that too
[07:41] <Striss> i think i'll be switching back very soon
[07:41] <Striss> its pretty sad that i can't even look at a flash based website
[07:41] <Cred> Too bad :(
[07:41] <xenonite> :(
[07:41] <Matt|> Striss, how come?
[07:41] <Striss> there's no flash support for ppc linux at all
[07:41] <Matt|> flashplayer doesn't work?
[07:41] <Matt|> oh dear
[07:42] <Striss> as far as i can tell, java won't work in firefox on ppc linux either
[07:42] <mjr> thank macromedia for that
[07:42] <jcole> Matt|: http://www.codeweavers.com/site/compatibility/browse/cat?app_id=8
[07:42] <Striss> but i'm stuck for now because i don't have my os x cd's with me
[07:42] <xenonite> oh
[07:42] <Matt|> thanks jcole
[07:43] <jcole> Striss: http://www.maconlinux.org/
[07:43] <Matt|> jcole, is that through wine?
[07:44] <jcole> Matt|: a commercial version of wine... with a very easy to use app installer
[07:45] <mjr> that's probably through Codeweavers' Crossover Office, which is a pumped up version of Wine; though they're nice citizens and most of their stuff that's clean enough ends up in Wine proper too
[07:45] <Matt|> and do you need a windows partition?
[07:45] <mjr> no
[07:45] <jcole> Matt|: no
[07:45] <brad>  /quit
[07:45] <Matt|> bye brad
[07:45] <Matt|> so you can install photoshop on your linux partition?
[07:45] <jcole> Matt|: it creates a fake windows C:\
[07:46] <jcole> Matt|: yep
[07:46] <Matt|> cool
[07:46] <Striss> theoretically
[07:46] <jcole> Matt|: and m$ office and visio and quicken... whatetver
[07:46] <Matt|> jcole, no blasphemy
[07:46] <mjr> by the way, talking about wine and ppc, I'll just point at http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ - probably not for the feint of heart at this point, don't expect plug'n'play
[07:47] <jcole> Striss: if you have a fast enough ppc, you can emulate an x86 with bochs
[07:47] <Matt|> sounds like he has a fast one
[07:47] <Matt|> if he is playing doom3
[07:47] <mjr> qemu should be faster
[07:47] <mjr> it does dynamic translation instead of plain emulation (which is what bochs does)
[07:48] <Striss> i said quake3 earlier, not doom3
[07:48] <Striss> i have a very slow mac
[07:48] <Matt|> oh soz
[07:49] <jcole> Striss: you're asking too much then ;)
[07:49] <Striss> well, i'm not asking much to be able to look at a flash site or play quake 3
[07:49] <g3r4rd0> when i try to burn a cd, it says something like speed=364x, how i have to configure cdrecord for fixing this?
[07:50] <g3r4rd0> please someone?
[07:50] <Striss> i can't even run quake2 in linux
[07:50] <Striss> while quake3 runs perfect in osx
[07:51] <Striss> well..
[07:51] <chowells> s/too/two
[07:51] <Striss> ah nevermind
[07:51] <Striss> its not that hard to figure out
[07:51] <chowells> http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/
[07:51] <Zimpee> ubuntu installer says bsdutils couldn't find. it said i wrote the cd too fast. what to do?
[07:52] <mjr> Let it be said again that anyone disheartened by lack of flash support should ask macromedia to just open the player source. They probably won't any time soon, but can't hurt to ask.
[07:52] <chowells> there is an open source libflash, whether it works is a different matter :)
[07:52] <mjr> it doesn't, really
[07:52] <chowells> ok
[07:52] <mjr> you might get to see some of the ads properly, they're simple enough
[07:52] <chowells> lol
[07:52] <mjr> yay
[07:53] <jcole> Striss: i play quake2 all the time on linux... have mod packs even... are you talking about ppc?
[07:54] <ploum> Stange, my xterm becomes sometimes crazy 
[07:54] <ploum> !
[07:54] <Matt|> ooooh
[07:55] <ploum> it prints strange characters each time I press a mouse button
[07:55] <MFen> does apt log installs and uninstalls?
[07:55] <Striss> jcole, yes
[07:55] <ploum> The only solution I've found is to close and relaunch the crazy xterm
[07:55] <Striss> it runs very poorly for me in linux, yet runs insanely fast in osx, where its so old
[07:55] <Striss> doesnt make too much sense to me
[07:55] <erek_> what's holding ubuntu back from having xorg?
[07:55] <Matt|> erek_, they are working on it
[07:56] <erek_> yeah, but what is the problem anyhow?
[07:56] <Matt|> erek_, nothing, they are compiling and installing it
[07:56] <Matt|> it will be here soon
[07:56] <mjr> Striss, you just probably don't have 3d accelerated drivers on the linux side
[07:56] <ploum> erek_, it's very very difficult to package it
[07:56] <MFen> what's the advantage of moving to x.org?
[07:56] <erek_> oh
[07:56] <Matt|> MFen, faster development
[07:56] <Matt|> ?
[07:56] <jcole> ploum: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/hwcursor
[07:56] <erek_> Matt|: so you're saying people can already compile thier own X.Org?
[07:56] <Striss> mjr, yeah i can't even get opengl to work in X
[07:56] <MFen> Matt|: ok, but no user advantages right now?
[07:56] <Matt|> erek_, people can do what they like, surely?
[07:57] <Matt|> MFen, well that depends
[07:57] <Matt|> MFen, I would have the advantage of 3d acceleration
[07:57] <Striss> i can't find a single guide to help me get opengl working in X for ppc, if i could i'd be a much happier linux user, and probably stick with it
[07:57] <Matt|> apparently there is some extra shine too
[07:57] <erek_> Matt|: oh, i thought maybe there was something wrong, and they couldn't get X to compile, you know?
[07:57] <mjr> Striss, what video card do you have, by the way?
[07:57] <Matt|> erek_, nope they are just fiddling out the difficulties
[07:57] <ploum> jcole, not related with my problem
[07:58] <Striss> mjr, rage128 pro, on my imac
[07:58] <jcole> Striss: what does "lspci | grep VGA" say?
[07:58] <Zimpee> ubuntu installer says bsdutils couldn't find. it said i wrote the cd too fast. what to do?
[07:58] <ploum> thx anyway
[07:58] <ogra> MFen: a lot of eyecandy
[07:58] <Striss> jcole, just a sec
[07:58] <Striss> jcole, nothing at all
[07:58] <MFen> ogra: i assume you mean alphas and soft shadows, or stuff like that?  will we actually be able to see the eyecandy
[07:58] <MFen> ?
[07:59] <ogra> MFen: i would assume yes
[07:59] <MFen> i assume apps and desktop environments have to be compiled to take advantage of it
[07:59] <Somebody_answer> WHY??? ubuntu installer says bsdutils couldn't find. it said i wrote the cd too fast. what to do?
[07:59] <mjr> Striss, well that should be supported by the dri drivers at http://dri.sourceforge.net/ ; I don't know about ppc support but I'd be surprised if there weren't
[07:59] <MFen> Somebody_answer: the problem is too many question marks
[08:00] <mjr> I'd be less surprised if it'd be difficult to set up
[08:00] <Somebody_answer> well: ubuntu installer says bsdutils couldn't find. it said i wrote the cd too fast. what to do?
[08:00] <Somebody_answer> is that ok, MFen ?
[08:00] <MFen> yes
[08:00] <Striss> mjr, i'll have a look there
[08:00] <Somebody_answer> so?
[08:00] <MFen> sounds like you need to burn the cd at a slower rate. maybe your machine's not fast enough for your burner
[08:00] <MFen> it's a common cd burner proble
[08:00] <MFen> m
[08:01] <Somebody_answer> ok
[08:01] <Somebody_answer> thanks
[08:01] <ogra> MFen: it works on a generic base, but i think you are right, you will get better results if the actual app is written to integrate well with it
[08:02] <mjr> "PPC support for ATI Rage128 chips has finally hit the trunk with the merge of the ati-pcigart-1-0-0-branch."
[08:02] <mjr> apparently it is supported, but as said, it might be nontrivial to install
[08:02] <ogra> MFen: but dont tale me too serious, i'm not a x.org dev ;)
[08:02] <ogra> k
[08:02] <daniels> huh, what
[08:02] <daniels> that support has been in there since like 1999
[08:03] <daniels> seriously, it's supported just fine
[08:03] <Matt|> how come nvu is not packaged for ubuntu?
[08:04] <ogra> daniels: but you must admit that it would be better if the apps were actually programmed to use it 100% internally ;)
[08:04] <daniels> ogra: ... what?
[08:04] <daniels> i was talking about powerpc r128
[08:04] <daniels> should be fine, anyway need to run out
[08:05] <ogra> daniels: oh, i was talking about x.org.... *g*
[08:05] <ogra> daniels: thought you meant that....
[08:06] <ogra> daniels: while i was astonished bout '99 :)
[08:07] <kstraka> I'm having some problems installing Apache on Ubuntu, anyone want to help me out?  I did an apt-get install apache-common, which appears to have installed a bunch of apache stuff, but I can't find the "apachectl" binary to turn the server on and off, and when I try to run "apache-modconf apache" from the /usr/sbin directory, it tells me "apache appears not to be installed".  Any ideas?
[08:08] <wims> how do i get gcc?
[08:08] <kstraka> Also, does PHP come along with this, and if not can I just apt-get PHP?  It says such a package doesn't exist.
[08:08] <mjr> Striss, hmm, of course, there's one thing; try and grep -i dri /var/log/XFree86.0.log and see if it says something about why dri would not be enabled
[08:08] <ogra> kstraka: sudo /etc/init.d/apache start
[08:08] <ogra> kstraka: sudo /etc/init.d/apache stop
[08:09] <ogra> kstraka: sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4
[08:09] <Striss> mjr: it loads module "dri"
[08:09] <kstraka> ogra:  thanks, but it gives me: /etc/init.d/apache: command not found
[08:10] <ogra> wims: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:10] <Striss> mjr, but in glxinfo, it says direct rendering is not enabled
[08:10] <mjr> Striss, righto
[08:10] <ogra> kstraka: sudo apt-get install apache2
[08:10] <mjr> *shrug*
[08:10] <Striss> oh i've got something else...
[08:10] <kstraka> ah, apache2, I see....I thought apache-common covered it
[08:10] <Striss> i just ran glxgears, it runs but in the terminal it says "Xlib: extension "XFree-DRI" missing"
[08:11] <kstraka> hooray!  localhost web server online!
[08:12] <kstraka> wow, once you figure out the right package, apt-get is wonderful.  much easier than dealing with rpms
[08:14] <kstraka> OK, while I'm at it, does anyone have any experience with phpki, an S/MIME certificate authority package?
[08:14] <sewoyl> hello, I would like to set up my screen to 85 Hz, how can I do that ? The 'screen resolution' utility wont let me change from 60 Hz
[08:15] <Matt|> damn
[08:15] <Matt|> did someone answer my questions above? I got disconnected :(
[08:15] <g3r4rd0> sewoyl, edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 manually
[08:16] <ploum> Matt|, no one seems to care about nvu ;-)
[08:16] <Matt|> is it bad?
[08:16] <ploum> sewoyl, you have to lower your resolution
[08:16] <ploum> Matt|, not really
[08:17] <ploum> sewoyl, modify XF86Config only if you know what you are doing
[08:17] <sewoyl> g3r4rd0, I know I use the 'nv' driver on other Linuxes
[08:17] <sewoyl> ploum, I can usually be at 85Hz at this resolution
[08:17] <ploum> sewoyl, so this is strange
[08:18] <sewoyl> ploum,  but the setup didnt ask me for X configuration other than the resolution
[08:18] <Matt|> ploum, how come it isn't packaged? I thought that debian had _all_ packages
[08:18] <sewoyl> Matt|, I like nvu :)
[08:18] <ploum> Matt|, I don't know..
[08:19] <[mirak] > well, if anyone get a nvu package made...send it to me plz...i want to try it out :)
[08:19] <Matt|> ok i will learn how to package and try and build a deb
[08:20] <Kirsch> hey guys, i'm using VMWare and it's a GTK1, how can I edit the display settings for that?
[08:20] <[mirak] > matt|, kk........i guess I should try to leanr myself......maybe we can work on it together when I get home from work
[08:20] <Matt|> heh
[08:20] <Matt|> depends how long you'll be
[08:20] <[mirak] > matt| its 2:20 here...i get home about 6:00
[08:20] <Matt|> Kirsch: install and run gtk-theme-switch
[08:21] <Matt|> [mirak] , k
[08:22] <zenwhen> hey
[08:22] <zenwhen> I installed ubuntu
[08:22] <zenwhen> but I cant start X as a user
[08:22] <zenwhen> I have to sudo
[08:22] <Dennis_k> sudo uses your user password
[08:22] <zenwhen> I know
[08:22] <zenwhen> Thats not what I am saying
[08:22] <zenwhen> I know how to use sudo
[08:23] <zenwhen> I cannnot start x as a user
[08:23] <ogra> why do you have to start x ?
[08:23] <zenwhen> :(
[08:23] <Dennis_k> you have to reconfigure X86config
[08:23] <zenwhen> no
[08:23] <zenwhen> It works as root
[08:23] <zenwhen> if I sudo, x starts
[08:23] <zenwhen> If i dont it fails
[08:23] <Dennis_k> weird
[08:23] <ogra> zenwhen: why do you have to start x ? doenst it run by default ?
[08:23] <Dennis_k> join #alleslinux
[08:23] <zenwhen> ogra
[08:23] <Dennis_k> oops
[08:24] <zenwhen> no
[08:24] <zenwhen> it doesnt
[08:24] <zenwhen> because it runs as a user
[08:24] <zenwhen> not as root
[08:24] <zenwhen> which I have already demonstrated does not work
[08:24] <zenwhen> Im trying to figure out why x cannot be run as a user
[08:25] <ogra> zenwhen: how exactly do you start it with startx ?
[08:25] <zenwhen> with startx
[08:25] <zenwhen> Whe I boot, x fails to load
[08:25] <zenwhen> if I do a "sudo startx" I can start x as root
[08:26] <zenwhen> any other attempt to start x or get into any type of x envronment with a non root user fails
[08:26] <ogra> zenwhen: what does: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[08:26] <zenwhen> startx gdm
[08:26] <zenwhen> no
[08:26] <zenwhen> starts gdm
[08:26] <zenwhen> when I try to log in as a user
[08:26] <zenwhen> it fails
[08:27] <ogra> zenwhen: got a .xsession in your homedir ?
[08:27] <zenwhen> Nothing that equals suing a graphical envoronment as a user works.
[08:27] <zenwhen> yes
[08:27] <cenerentola> ogra: hi my love
[08:27] <ogra> zenwhen: is something in it ?
[08:27] <zenwhen> wait
[08:27] <zenwhen> no i dont
[08:27] <zenwhen> not in the users homedir
[08:27] <ogra> cenerentola: hi, what happened ? seen your mail
[08:28] <zenwhen> I cant start an x session as a user
[08:28] <sch1fo> guys
[08:28] <cenerentola> ahh... well i smart-upgraded warty2warty
[08:28] <zenwhen> so it makes sense not to have a .xsession
[08:28] <sch1fo> how can i boot without starting x?
[08:28] <cenerentola> and all went drowning in the dark
[08:28] <sch1fo> cause i need to edit my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[08:28] <sch1fo> but x wont work when i boot up
[08:28] <sch1fo> always get a black screen
[08:28] <ogra> zenwhen: startx needs one, try: echo "xterm" >> .xsession
[08:29] <Matt|> sch1fo, after going black doesn't it go to the console?
[08:29] <sch1fo> no
[08:29] <Matt|> ouch
[08:29] <sch1fo> it just stops and gives me a black screen after "starting gnome"
[08:29] <sch1fo> cant do anything, when i press off button on pc, starts to reboot
[08:30] <cenerentola> matt: mind your gf cozzz. HERE WE ARE THE ASS-POUNDERS... na nannanaaa naaaaaaaaa
[08:30] <Matt|> sch1fo, are you able to edit any files at all?
[08:30] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, boot in runlevel 1
[08:30] <sch1fo> no
[08:30] <sch1fo> g3r, how
[08:30] <Matt|> g3r4rd0, he can't edit any files
[08:30] <sch1fo> how can i edit files when it goes to x automatically when it boots up
[08:31] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, reboot your machine, when grub appears press e
[08:31] <sch1fo> then what
[08:31] <Matt|> ok
[08:31] <ogra> zenwhen: if that doesnt work: mv .xsession .xinitrc
[08:31] <mjr> hmm, half-victory; DRI only works for me with a single-head configuration :/
[08:31] <sch1fo> then what
[08:31] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, then press e again and add 1, after that press b to boot that kernel in runlevel 1
[08:31] <Treenaks> mjr: didn't XINERAMA disable DRI only on old versions of X?
[08:32] <mjr> Treenaks, apparently it's a limitation of the radeon dri driver
[08:32] <sch1fo> did that, now its booting windows
[08:32] <Treenaks> mjr: too bad :(
[08:32] <mjr> "(WW) RADEON(0): Direct Rendering Disabled -- Dual-head configuration is not working with DRI at present.
[08:33] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, hehehe tell me what entries you have in grub
[08:33] <sch1fo> initially, i have fedora core, and windows
[08:33] <mjr> Treenaks, yeah, but could be worse... Can start another X server for games.
[08:33] <mjr> just can't irc at the same time ;I
[08:33] <sch1fo> then when i press e, i have rootnoverify(hd0,0) and chainloader +1
[08:33] <Treenaks> :P
[08:33] <Matt|> cenerentola, you can't go around calling yourself cindarella and talk about ass-pounders
[08:33] <Treenaks> mjr: or you could switch to Nethack
[08:34] <cenerentola> matt: aahhhaa ahaha aha ah a... not funny
[08:34] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, when in grub after reboot, look for a line like this: Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.8-1.3-386 (or 686)
[08:34] <mjr> well, I _do_ mostly play 5 or more, which kinda doesn't require dri, but sometimes one wants a quick tuxracer ;)
[08:34] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, go to that line, press "e"
[08:34] <Treenaks> mjr: http://bbspot.com/News/2003/02/ati_ascii.html
[08:35] <sewoyl> I'm still stuck with my screen refresh rate problem! Ho w can I install the nv driver ??
[08:35] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, then look for a line like /vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386 root=/dev/hda? ro quiet splash, press "e" again
[08:36] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, add to this line a number one at the end, press "enter" and then press "b"
[08:36] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, that's all ;)
[08:37] <Matt|> lol
[08:37] <Matt|> cenerentola, use my whole nick when replying to me, that way the line is highlighted
[08:39] <epod> Could someone help me out with setting up a nice splash screen for my boot up like the livecd has?  Is there some sort of package I need to install to have that?
[08:39] <Matt|> can someone recommend me a gallery making program?
[08:40] <Matt|> lodju - Photo organizer and web gallery maker
[08:40] <Matt|> gallery - a web-based photo album written in php
[08:40] <Matt|> galrey - Command line image gallery generator. It also makes thumbnails.
[08:40] <Matt|> igal - online image gallery generator
[08:40] <Matt|> those are the options
[08:40] <Treenaks> Matt|: gphoto can do it as well, in the gui
[08:40] <sch1fo> g3r4rd0, thanks for the help, please stand by
[08:40] <Matt|> is it easy and nice and clean?
[08:40] <g3r4rd0> ok
[08:41] <jovian> why doesn't ubuntu appear on distrowatch anymore?
[08:41] <Matt|> jovian, it is there
[08:41] <Treenaks> Matt|: yes, try it, it's under graphics in the menu
[08:41] <Matt|> Treenaks, i need to install it methinks
[08:41] <Treenaks> Matt|: it's in a default ubunti unstall
[08:41] <Treenaks> ubuntu
[08:41] <Matt|> Treenaks, i guess i removed it
[08:42] <Treenaks> oh wait
[08:42] <Treenaks> gphoto i something else
[08:42] <Treenaks> *whistle*
[08:42] <Treenaks> it's gthumb, sorry
[08:42] <Matt|> k
[08:42] <jovian> im there now and its not appearing ive hit refresh several times
[08:42] <Treenaks> Matt|: it can also read from cameras and do basic operations (rotation, etc.) on the iamges
[08:43] <Treenaks> jovian: where are you?
[08:43] <Matt|> cool thanks Treenaks
[08:43] <jovian> looking at distro watch otherwise in minnesota usa
[08:44] <jovian> its not a big deal just thought I would see how its doing
[08:45] <Matt|> Treenaks, how is it done in gthumb?
[08:45] <jovian> if its there for the rest of you its good
[08:46] <Matt|> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu
[08:47] <Matt|> 16th most clicked
[08:47] <jovian> I got it finally don't know what was going on
[08:47] <jovian> thanks
[08:48] <epod> Can anyone tell me or direct me to instructions on how to get a nice splash screen during my boot up, instead of the text scroll?
[08:49] <Treenaks> Matt|: hmm, it used to be possibl
[08:49] <Treenaks> e
[08:49] <[mirak] > matt|, that is for the last 6 months........4 or 5th place for this month
[08:49] <Matt|> Treenaks, can't see anything
[08:50] <g3r4rd0> someone knew that kernel 2.6.8 has problems with burning cd's???
[08:51] <Treenaks> Matt|: I was looking just now, I think it has been removed :(
[08:51] <mjr> Treenaks, hmh, glxinfo says "Mesa DRI R200 20020827 AGP 1x TCL"; would you guess that a DRI upgrade would make the dual head dri work?
[08:51] <mjr> ...if the XFree contains a version from 2002
[08:51] <Treenaks> mjr: dunno, don't really know anything about dri
[08:52] <mjr> righto
[08:54] <mjr> might just try it, though my lazy ass hurts at the thought of compiling stuff (they don't seem to provide amd64 binaries...)
[08:54] <Matt|> how come when i open an xterm i can't use the up arrow to use commands from previous sessions? Can I change this?
[08:55] <zenwhen> hey
[08:55] <zenwhen> I got ubuntu installed and X going
[08:55] <zenwhen> but firefox wont run
[08:55] <[mirak] > that's odd.........frexh install?
[08:55] <zenwhen> unless i sudo it
[08:55] <zenwhen> I can run it as a user
[08:56] <[mirak] > is it the default install version....or did you install another?
[08:56] <Matt|> [mirak] , me?
[08:56] <[mirak] > Matt|, no......zenwhen
[08:56] <Matt|> k
[08:56] <zenwhen> its what came with warty
[08:56] <[mirak] > Matt|, why ...you have issues as well?
[08:56] <zenwhen> i havent installed anything as of yet
[08:56] <Matt|> a small one :)
[08:57] <[mirak] > Matt|, in a nwewb....but ill ty to help....shoot
[08:59] <zenwhen> arg
[08:59] <Matt|> how come when i open an xterm i can't use the up arrow to use commands from previous sessions? Can I change this?
[08:59] <zenwhen> it just wont open
[08:59] <zenwhen> unless i sudo
[08:59] <wimpy> hello
[09:00] <Treenaks> zenwhen: could you do "ls -l ~/.ICEauthority" ?
[09:00] <[mirak] > Matt|, your question about xterm??..........i cant really help.....but I don't think (dont THINK) that you can do that.......being as the session is clossed, not just minimiaed, or put to sleep......basically it is restarted
[09:00] <zenwhen> what
[09:00] <Matt|> damn sorry
[09:00] <Matt|> it is gnome-terminal i am using
[09:00] <zenwhen> Treenaks, is this for the firefox question?
[09:00] <Matt|> but in the past i have always been able to use the up arrow
[09:00] <zenwhen> I have x working now.
[09:00] <zenwhen> But firefox wont run as a user
[09:00] <Treenaks> zenwhen: ah ok...
[09:01] <zenwhen> It seem a lot of permissions stuff is messed up
[09:01] <Treenaks> zenwhen: and if you 'move aside' your .mozilla directory?
[09:01] <[mirak] > Matt|, I honestly don't know........that is just what I THINK
[09:01] <zenwhen> Ive had nothing but trouble with permissions since i got ubintu running
[09:01] <Treenaks> zenwhen: and check the output of 'ps ax' for firefox
[09:01] <zenwhen> move aside?
[09:01] <Treenaks> zenwhen: tht's strange, I haven't had any permission troubles
[09:01] <zenwhen> what do you mean by that
[09:01] <Treenaks> zenwhen: mv .mozilla .mozilla_outoftheway
[09:02] <Treenaks> basically, making ffox think it's been removed, but you can return it if necessary
[09:06] <g3r4rd0> zenwhen, find $HOME -user root, if there's a file that belongs to root, change it to be yours
[09:08] <AlohaWolf> is it possible to set up dual headedness on a Radeon 9200 without using the ATi Driver?
[09:09] <Scognito> hi all
[09:11] <Zimpee> i wrote my ubuntu to another disk. i says the same, problems with bsdutils and the base-system install. now?
[09:12] <g3r4rd0> Zimpee, maybe i can help you, what's your problem?
[09:14] <Zimpee> i'vbe downloaded ubuntu 4.10 The Warty Warthog. wrote the cd from the ISO file, booted the disk. It said, that bsdutils cannot be found, maybe i burned the CD too fast. i wrote another disc, but the same problem i got
[09:14] <Zimpee> -b
[09:14] <g3r4rd0> Zimpee, did you check the iso's md5?
[09:15] <Zimpee> didn't yet
[09:15] <Treenaks> try that
[09:15] <Treenaks> :)
[09:15] <q2> Scooby Smoke A Dooby Will Doo!
[09:15] <cyrus-tc> Zimpee, vmware?
[09:15] <Zimpee> [how to in windows?] 
[09:16] <g3r4rd0> Zimpee, check the md5 in windows you ask??
[09:16] <g3r4rd0> Zimpee, i dunno
[09:16] <Zimpee> :)
[09:16] <Zimpee> not vmware
[09:17] <bugz_> hello all
[09:17] <g3r4rd0> hello
[09:17] <Zimpee> hi
[09:17] <sch1fo> g3r4rd0, i dont know what the problem is
[09:17] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, what happened?
[09:18] <sch1fo> just opened /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:18] <sch1fo> and it is set to driver "nv"
[09:18] <sch1fo> and identifier is my correct video card
[09:18] <sch1fo> but i still cant boot up in x
[09:18] <sch1fo> everytime it boots up I get a black screen right after it says "starting gnome display manager"
[09:18] <Matt|> for anyone asking themselves whether I found a nice gallery creator: galrey is awesome
[09:19] <g3r4rd0> mmm use lynx and mutt from now on...hehe just kidding...
[09:19] <Treenaks> Matt|: I'm still going for my own home-brew CGI script, but that's just vanity :P
[09:19] <Treenaks> Matt|: http://foodfight.org/download/photo
[09:19] <bugz_> i got trouble installing ubuntu in my box. can anyone give me the entry of ubuntu in grub file... pls
[09:19] <[mirak] > matt|, what do you mean by gallery?...like a photo gallery?
[09:20] <Xenguy> Hi... given that Ubuntu runs Gnome by default, is there a minimum (or recommended) hardware requirement?
[09:20] <[mirak] > Matt|, if so......photoshop has a pretty nice photo gallery creator..........if that is available to you
[09:20] <ficusplanet> Xenguy, 256MB RAM, ~300Mhz CPU is what I would recommend
[09:21] <Xenguy> ficusplanet: tx
[09:21] <[mirak] > xenguy, you can get away with less ream than that
[09:21] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, i dunno much about configuring X, sorry
[09:21] <Treenaks> Xenguy: on my 192M, 600MHz laptop it runs smoothly
[09:21] <[mirak] > xenguy, also xfce4 is apt-getable
[09:21] <bugz_> anybody... pls!
[09:21] <hapo> is ubuntu lighter than fedora?
[09:21] <Treenaks> Xenguy: but I wouldn't go <350MHz myself
[09:21] <ficusplanet> hapo, yeah
[09:21] <hapo> imo fedora is too bloated
[09:21] <Treenaks> bugz_: just use the installer CD
[09:22] <g3r4rd0> title		Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.8.1-3-686
[09:22] <g3r4rd0> root		(hd0,0)
[09:22] <g3r4rd0> kernel		/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash
[09:22] <g3r4rd0> initrd		/initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-686
[09:22] <g3r4rd0> savedefault
[09:22] <g3r4rd0> boot
[09:22] <hapo> what about localization support? does it have e.g. the finnish l10n packages for gnome?
[09:22] <Treenaks> hapo: all languages for gnome are included afaik
[09:22] <bugz_> Treenaks: i just need to add it up in my mandrake grub
[09:22] <Treenaks> even for OOo if available
[09:22] <g3r4rd0> bugz_, that's what you needed??
[09:22] <hapo> i have a member in my family that doesn't understand english much
[09:22] <Treenaks> and maybe even for the 'zilla family
[09:22] <bugz_> g3r4rd0: thanks a lot
[09:22] <sch1fo> g3r4rd0, you're the only one who has a clue, you have to help me
[09:23] <hapo> Treenaks: but some things in the gnome ui seem to have been modified for ubuntu. have they been translated?
[09:23] <Zimpee> hm
[09:23] <Treenaks> hapo: don't know
[09:23] <Zimpee> md5 sums doesn't match
[09:23] <hapo> for me it's all the same but for the other person this matters quite much :)
[09:23] <g3r4rd0> Zimpee, bingo!!
[09:23] <Zimpee> yeah g3r4rd0 :)
[09:24] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, ok... gimme a sec
[09:24] <Matt|> omg
[09:24] <Matt|> fedora is like "recommended 256MB RAM"
[09:24] <Zimpee> another question: on the official site, under warty-release-install-i386.iso is the latest? (RC?)
[09:24] <Zimpee> ahh
[09:24] <Zimpee> so i can't speak
[09:24] <Zimpee> under that name
[09:24] <hapo> Matt|: and what is the requirement for ubuntu then?
[09:24] <sch1fo> thanks
[09:24] <Matt|> Zimpee, warty is the latest and only
[09:25] <Zimpee> aren't there any RC-s?
[09:25] <Matt|> Zimpee, you can update when the install is done
[09:25] <Zimpee> right
[09:25] <Matt|> Zimpee, it asks you if you want to
[09:25] <Zimpee> thanks for all
[09:25] <Zimpee> bye
[09:25] <Matt|> hapo, dunno
[09:25] <Matt|> but fedora is far too heavy
[09:25] <camden> good morning everyone.
[09:25] <Matt|> hapo, i'm sure you'll be fine on 128 or even less
[09:26] <iz> good evening camden
[09:26] <hapo> ok
[09:26] <bugz_> g3r4rd0: what is that savedefault come from? (is that save file)?
[09:27] <camden> iz: still 11:26 am here.
[09:27] <iz> 21.27 here :)
[09:27] <[mirak] > hapo, don't forget that you don't have to use gnome, if you are low on ram try a different WM (dm....havent quite figure out the difference yet)
[09:27] <Matt|> display manager just starts your session
[09:27] <hapo> [mirak] : i'm not low on ram but i still dislike bloatness quite much
[09:27] <Matt|> hapo, do you use icewm?
[09:28] <hapo> maybe i shouldn't have to but fedora is a waste of memory :)
[09:28] <Matt|> lovely and slim, but great
[09:28] <mirak> help me
[09:28] <mirak> lol
[09:28] <camden> i'm bored. any fun projects you all could suggest I play with?
[09:28] <hapo> maybe i should try that
[09:28] <mirak> I am in xchat-text mode
[09:28] <mirak> I have a problem with gnome
[09:28] <mirak> it won't start
[09:28] <Matt|> lol
[09:28] <[mirak] > Matt|, thnx...but I meant DE.....i don't really know the diff between a DE and  WM
[09:28] <Matt|> error?
[09:28] <camden> iz: where are you at?
[09:28] <Matt|> how many miraks are there in here?
[09:28] <hapo> if anyone can give me enlighten me about ubuntu's translation support, i would be delighted.
[09:28] <camden> asia?
[09:28] <mirak> in fact the real problem is that I have n loopback interface
[09:28] <Matt|> are you two people?
[09:28] <iz> camden, netherlands, europe
[09:28] <[mirak] > Matt|, just 2 of us
[09:28] <g3r4rd0> bugz_, it is supposed to force reboot in the previous configuration, i dunno how it works
[09:29] <camden> iz: neato. I'm in alaska, USA
[09:29] <Matt|> oh god that is confusing
[09:29] <g3r4rd0> bugz_, that's what grub documentation says
[09:29] <mirak> Matt no, he is dumb to take a similar pseudonyme, but we managed to have an agreemant
[09:29] <Matt|> mirak, have you rebooted
[09:29] <Matt|> lol
[09:29] <mirak> no I don't
[09:29] <Matt|> if not, try /etc/init.d/network restart
[09:29] <mirak> should I reboot ?
[09:29] <mirak> ok
[09:29] <Matt|> you will lose connection
[09:30] <camden> oops, gotta run, folks. see you all later.
[09:30] <mirak> still no loopback
[09:30] <bugz_> g3r4rd0: where can i find that docs?
[09:30] <mirak> I guess I must add it in /etc/network/interface or something
[09:30] <g3r4rd0> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/
[09:30] <mirak> &
[09:31] <bugz_> g3r4rd0: thanks again bro.
[09:31] <g3r4rd0> ;) ok
[09:31] <mirak> mmm sorry, I don't even know in wich chanel I am, I see two channel output
[09:31] <Matt|> Mirak is it not in there?
[09:31] <epod> Can anyone tell me or direct me to instructions on how to get a nice splash screen during my boot up, instead of the text scroll?
[09:31] <Matt|> /etc/network/interface?
[09:31] <Matt|> epod, awwww
[09:31] <epod> Matt|, :(
[09:31] <mirak> Matt I see the outpu
[09:31] <Matt|> you don't need that stuff
[09:31] <mirak> Matt yes
[09:32] <Matt|> mirak, you should have lo in /etc/network/interface
[09:32] <epod> Matt|, yes I do!
[09:32] <Matt|> auto lo
[09:32] <Matt|> iface lo inet loopback
[09:32] <Matt|> does ubuntu have a splash screen?
[09:32] <mirak> could you give me the line to add loopback ?
[09:32] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, try this: DEBUG_XFREE86_PACKAGE=yes XF86FORCEPROBE=yes dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:33] <ys> hey
[09:33] <sch1fo> where exactly though
[09:33] <daniels> Matt|: not yet, hoary, in the faq, etc
[09:33] <Matt|> kewl
[09:33] <hapo> is there a web page where i can look at what packages are included in ubuntu?
[09:33] <Matt|> hapo, yes there is
[09:33] <daniels> sch1fo: specifically, DEBUG_XFREE86_PACKAGE=yes XF86FORCEPROBE=yes sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:33] <Matt|> hang on
[09:33] <epod> Matt|, the livecd does
[09:33] <hapo> thanks
[09:33] <daniels> hapo: not really yet, but 'everything' is a pretty decent approximation
[09:33] <g3r4rd0> hapo, http:/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[09:34] <hapo> ok
[09:34] <epod> Matt|, and I want it! My friends all mock me for my ugly text startup ;)
[09:34] <Matt|> daniels, there is one
[09:34] <sch1fo> daniels, g3r4rd0, command line?
[09:34] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, yes
[09:34] <Matt|> lol
[09:34] <sch1fo> k
[09:34] <Matt|> epod, change friends
[09:34] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, and dont forget sudo, like daniels says ;)
[09:34] <daniels> sch1fo: yah
[09:34] <epod> Matt|, I think it's easier to get the splash screen.
[09:34] <sch1fo> k
[09:34] <mirak> [5~[5~
[09:34] <epod> but no-one here seems to have any idea how to do it
[09:34] <mirak> help
[09:34] <epod> heh
[09:35] <Matt|> damn where is that package list
[09:35] <daniels> Matt|: are you thinking of http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/Contents-i386.gz ?
[09:35] <daniels> epod: it's not written yet, but it will be done for hoary
[09:35] <Matt|> daniels, bob2 made a list and posted it today
[09:35] <Matt|> but forgot to add a link to the faq
[09:36] <daniels> pitti: hello!
[09:36] <daniels> pitti: new radeon driver, http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xorg/radeon_drv.o
[09:36] <daniels> pitti: should work with just plain usefwpll -- please try various combinations of that and usefbdev
[09:36] <daniels> pitti: might make things better, hopefully shouldn't make anything worse
[09:37] <sch1fo> i dont think i have a password set for root
[09:37] <ys> how come i didn't set a root password in the install for ubuntu?
[09:37] <sch1fo> never asked me during install
[09:37] <ys> how can i become root?
[09:37] <shaver> sudo
[09:37] <Matt|> daniels, not sure if you saw/answered my question earlier, as i got abruptly disconnected. What version of xorg are you working on, latest one?
[09:37] <ys> sudo isn't working
[09:37] <Matt|> hapo for the time being: http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/ubuntu_packages.txt
[09:37] <daniels> pitti: Option "DynamicClocks" will also give you a shitload of battery life
[09:37] <daniels> Matt|: 6.8.1, yah
[09:38] <Matt|> daniels, k thanks
[09:38] <Matt|> ys why isn't sudo working? what is the error?
[09:38] <epod> daniels, oh ok
[09:38] <daniels> pitti: maybe forcing Option "MonitorLayout" "LVDS,CRT" (or maybe TMDS,CRT) will let you hotplug a monitor
[09:38] <daniels> Matt|: fabbione and I have a set of working packages, but they just need some more testing and love first ... we are hoping for a public release within the next few days, stay tuned
[09:39] <Matt|> daniels, i will you can be sure :)
[09:39] <Matt|> i won't update to hoary until you release em
[09:39] <Matt|> but I am also willing to wait :)
[09:39] <daniels> pitti: so yeah, give that a play and drop me a /msg (so it doesn't get lost in scrollback) with any feedback :) hopefully the new fwpll stuff (pulls values for the second pll also) works good
[09:39] <ys> it's not giving me an error, sorry
[09:39] <Matt|> ys: type sudo -s and then enter your USER password
[09:40] <ys> Matt| may i message you quickly please?
[09:40] <daniels> ah, rsync's actually finished now.  i'm going to stop making a liar of myself and leave.  'night all.
[09:40] <Matt|> daniels, is there any chance of getting someone to make an nvu package for ubuntu?
[09:40] <Matt|> ys, sure
[09:40] <Matt|> daniels, is there a request page?
[09:41] <NewComer> how can I prevent Gnome from mounting my CDs and DVDs?
[09:42] <bwlang> Matt|: i just installed nvu on a mac ... it was pretty buggy... fails to upload bkgrnd images, loses images periodically ... i'm not sure if it's better for linux but i can't recommend it.
[09:42] <g3r4rd0> NewComer, Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Removable media... i think
[09:42] <Matt|> g3r4rd0, does it work in nautilus-cd-burner
[09:42] <bugz_> NewComer: remove it in your /etc/fstab
[09:43] <Matt|> bwlang, ok thanks for telling me
[09:43] <Matt|> bwlang, i still wanna try it out tho
[09:43] <g3r4rd0> Matt|, mmm i didnt test it there... just using cdrecord in the command line
[09:43] <hojit> I am intrested in ubuntu and want to get peoples oppenions on the sata support
[09:43] <bwlang> Matt|: can't hurt to try it...
[09:43] <Matt|> g3r4rd0, give it a try. Was the speed the problem?
[09:44] <g3r4rd0> Matt|, that's exactly the problem, it says speed=346.5x
[09:44] <bwlang> hojit: sata is in the kernel... so i don't think its support will vary by distribution.
[09:44] <bwlang> hojit: since warty uses a recent kernel i suspect it'll work fint.
[09:44] <hojit> well it would becouse what moduals would be loaded
[09:44] <bwlang> s/fint/fine/
[09:45] <hojit> i have had issue with the 2.6.8.1 kernel
[09:45] <Matt|> g3r4rd0, try nautilus
[09:45] <NewComer> g3r4rd0, thx
[09:45] <ubll> I have a problem.
[09:45] <hojit> the 2.6.7
[09:45] <Matt|> g3r4rd0, i don't know cdrecord but i believe it accepts a "speed" argumnt
[09:45] <hojit> seems to work better
[09:45] <g3r4rd0> Matt|, ok, thxs
[09:45] <ubll> Ubuntu has suddenly stopped detecting my PCI sound card.
[09:45] <Matt|> nooooooo
[09:46] <bwlang> hojit: i'm not 100% sure but it don't think it makes any sense to load a low level driver like for a hard drive  as a module... anybody have a link with the warty kernel .config ?
[09:46] <g3r4rd0> Matt|, yes it does, but the problem persists
[09:46] <ubll> If I use the command "modprobe snd-cmipci" sound will work.
[09:46] <ubll> What and why??
[09:46] <g3r4rd0> Matt|, i will try nautilus now
[09:46] <hypa7ia> hey boys and girls, i'm tying to help a friend install ubuntu on an older thinkpad.  knoppix and ubuntu live boot fine, but the warty install chokes on the base install with "no logical volumes found" around 1/3 of the way through.  is this likely a hardware issue?  we tried booting vga=771 noapic nolapic
[09:46] <hypa7ia> (sorry about the flood :-) )
[09:47] <SuperQ> hrm
[09:47] <SuperQ> sounds like a problem with the drive in the machine
[09:47] <ubll> Anyone know what I should do about this?
[09:47] <SuperQ> hypa7ia: how "old" is it?
[09:47] <hypa7ia> that's what we were thinking... likely cdrom... it is an older machine and all
[09:47] <SuperQ> no
[09:48] <SuperQ> hard drive
[09:48] <hypa7ia> SuperQ: it's a T20, so prolly 5 yrs?
[09:48] <hypa7ia> P3, 700
[09:48] <SuperQ> if live works, but install doesn't.. it's a hard drive problem
[09:48] <SuperQ> yea
[09:48] <hypa7ia> ahh, an excellent point
[09:48] <Striss> have you tried running fdisk and destroying the partitions?
[09:48] <SuperQ> I have a T21
[09:48] <hypa7ia> cuz it had mandrake 10 fine, and an install of 10.1 failed...
[09:48] <SuperQ> hypa7ia: yea.. if you don't care about the data on it.. try "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda count=1024"
[09:49] <SuperQ> hypa7ia: from a knoppix CD
[09:49] <hypa7ia> arrighty
[09:49] <SuperQ> hypa7ia: that will totaly wipe the boot sector, and partition table
[09:49] <hypa7ia> cool
[09:49] <SuperQ> should be nice and clean
[09:49] <SuperQ> you also may want to run badblocks on it
[09:49] <NewComer> can't umount the cd coz device is busy and right clicking on the desktop icon and chosing eject doesn't work either
[09:49] <SuperQ> see if it's going bad
[09:49] <hypa7ia> cool
[09:50] <SuperQ> read the man page for badblocks.. it might give you a clue
[09:50] <hypa7ia> yeah, that makes sense, with the previous install working and then MDK 10.1 not working
[09:50] <jcole> after alot of agonizing googling i can't figure out how to install the sun java sdk 1.5 deb... anyone know how to this?
[09:50] <SuperQ> yea.. do you get any DMA errors?
[09:50] <ubll> Ubuntu isn't finding my PCI sound card. If I type in "modprobe snd-cmipci" then sound will work. Why is this? How can I make it detect it on boot? And why the heck did it just suddenly start doing it??
[09:50] <epod> How do I change my default program for opening .ogg files from totem-xine to xmms?
[09:51] <g3r4rd0> Matt|, somewhere i read that there's a problem with kernel 2.6.8 and burning cds
[09:51] <ubll> epod: right click on the .ogg file and choose "open with" and type in xmms
[09:51] <Matt|> g3r4rd0, maybe, but i have not had problems
[09:51] <epod> ubll, I did that... the next one I clicked still opened with totem
[09:51] <Matt|> g3r4rd0, no luck with nautilus?
[09:51] <g3r4rd0> Matt|, nop
[09:51] <zenwhen> You know... Ubuntu is pretty rokkin 8)
[09:51] <hypa7ia> SuperQ: no dma errors, no
[09:51] <hypa7ia> zenwhen: agreed!
[09:52] <g3r4rd0> Matt|, can you gimme your /etc/default/cdrecord file??
[09:52] <zenwhen> Once I got past the annyance of it not liking dilaup or my GF6800
[09:52] <epod> ok, I got it to work now
[09:52] <zenwhen> Its a-ok
[09:52] <ubll> epod, great
[09:53] <sch1fo> g3r4rd0, still doesnt work, this is bad
[09:53] <ubll> Could someone help me with my sound card issue?
[09:53] <sch1fo> g3r4rd0, when i install fedora on this same laptop, it works fine, boots into x windows
[09:53] <sch1fo> g3r4rd0, what if i install fedora, and then copy the Xconfig file, and then reinstall ubuntu, and overwrite the xconfig file
[09:54] <g3r4rd0> sch1fo, fedora uses xorg, ubuntu uses xfree86
[09:54] <sch1fo> shit
[09:54] <sch1fo> cant i use ubuntu with xorg
[09:54] <hypa7ia> soon, when it gets into hoary
[09:54] <sch1fo> why not now
[09:55] <jordi> sch1fo: well, they are working on the migration
[09:55] <Matt|> g3r4rd0, pm
[09:55] <Matt|> patience child
[09:55] <sch1fo> well what if i use this guy's file: http://www.mikehardy.net/linux_latitude_d800/XF86Config
[09:55] <Matt|> although you can use your xorg.conf to help you when setting up your XF86COnfig-4
[09:55] <ubll> Ubuntu has suddenly stopped detecting my sound card. I've made no changed to my system at all. If I type in "modprobe snd-cmipci" my sound will start working. How can I fix this?
[09:56] <Matt|> ubll, the hotplug script is working properly?
[09:56] <ubll> Matt} Yes
[09:56] <Matt|> ubll, you can add that module to /etc/modules i guess
[09:56] <ubll> It has also stopped working with other distros. But it works fine in windows
[09:56] <epod> ubll, add snd-cmipci to /etc/modules
[09:56] <g3r4rd0> Matt|, ok thanks... mine looks exact the same, it is atapi your cdrw??
[09:56] <jcole> never mind, i think i've got it... apt-get source sunjdk1.5... the using the binary, repackage
[09:57] <ubll> Ok thanks guys
[09:57] <Matt|> g3r4rd0, dunno i haven't really used it yet
[09:57] <Matt|> atapi i think
[09:57] <epod> curse the lack of eyecandy splash screen on an otherwise flawless distro!
[09:57] <jcole> ubll: other distros quit working too?
[09:57] <Matt|> epod, stop whinging
[09:57] <ubll> jcole: Yes but they work with the "modprobe snd-cmipci" command
[09:57] <epod> Matt|, but it's fun :D ah well, ok
[09:57] <Matt|> lol
[09:58] <Matt|> :p
[09:58] <kstraka> hey guys, how do enable the root user?  I need to do something in which sudo won't do the job
[09:58] <ubll> The whole thing is confusing
[09:58] <g3r4rd0> sudo passwd root
[09:58] <don-o> is there a page that will help me determine if this old PowerPC 9500 will run Ubuntu?
[09:58] <zack_> hey I have a question
[09:59] <zack_> sorry if I am interrupting anything
[09:59] <Matt|> kstraka, what do you need to do?
[09:59] <ubll> jcole, any ideas?
[09:59] <kstraka> I'm running a shell script that +
[09:59] <Matt|> zack_, nope
[09:59] <Matt|> sudo is not good enough?
[09:59] <Matt|> it gives you the same permissions no?
[09:59] <ogra> zack_: they wont let you interrupt, they'll just answer inbetween ;)
[09:59] <kstraka> Matt: I'm running a shell script that changes the owner on a bunch of files, and it gives me a bunch of crap if I don't actually do it from the root account
[10:00] <Matt|> kstraka, have you tried "sudo -s"
[10:00] <kstraka> What's the -s switch do?
[10:00] <Matt|> gives you root
[10:00] <Matt|> try it, without any other command
[10:01] <Matt|> matt@kallisto:~ $ sudo -s
[10:01] <Matt|> root@kallisto:~ #
[10:01] <kstraka> ah, thanks.  Sorry for the nweb question.
[10:01] <ubll> or just open a root terminal
[10:01] <zack_> ok, I just downloaded the .gz of xMule and I want to install it. When I do the shell installation it tells me to copy libwx_gtk-2.4.so to usr/lib and I dont have the permisiion to write do the folder. How do I get the root permissions to write to files?
[10:01] <ubll> open root terminal and type in nautilus
[10:01] <ubuntu-geek> ok got a font question... is it best to set the DPI in the gnome font settints equal to the out put of "xdpyinfo | grep dots" ?
[10:02] <kstraka> hmm, that wasn't it.  It's claiming that "root.apache" is not a valid group.....hmmm
[10:02] <Matt|> zack_, but there is a package built for ubuntu for xmule
[10:02] <ogra> zack_: there is a ubuntu package for xmule !
[10:02] <ogra> Matt|: ;)
[10:02] <zack_> oooo
[10:02] <zack_> ok
[10:02] <zack_> sorry then
[10:02] <zack_> thanks!
[10:02] <epod> I wish k3b worked properly in gnome
[10:02] <epod> how am I to burn audiocds or video dvds. :/
[10:02] <zack_> apt-get install xmule ?
[10:02] <Matt|> zack_, if you wanna search: do "apt-cache search package"
[10:02] <Matt|> zack_, yup :)
[10:02] <ogra> Matt|: you will win until i got the burner autodetect working ;)
[10:02] <zack_> thanks matt!
[10:02] <Matt|> epod, xcdroast does audio cds i think
[10:02] <homeas> hi.  I can't get a java plugin to work in ubuntu.  there are five directories in /usr/lib/moz*/plugins, all of them contain symlinks to one of the java plugins, but about:plugins doesn't show them even though strace shows it is accessing the files.
[10:02] <kstraka> zack Matt: I was using apt-file search, and it said that didn;t exist.  No wonder....
[10:03] <Matt|> ogra, no, as you know more answers
[10:03] <epod> Matt|, what about video dvds? hm.
[10:03] <homeas> anyone an idea ?
[10:03] <Matt|> epod, haven't tried it
[10:03] <epod> k
[10:03] <Matt|> i don't have a dvdr
[10:03] <ficusplanet> epod, and rhythmbox cvs has easy-to-use cd burning.
[10:03] <epod> hm ok
[10:03] <ogra> Matt|: but i'm inattentive.... good chance ;)
[10:04] <[mirak] > Matt|, I coulda swore you were leaving?
[10:04] <Matt|> nope
[10:04] <Matt|> [mirak] , didn't you go to work?
[10:04] <Matt|> it's evenin here
[10:04] <Matt|> i'm not going anyplace
[10:05] <SmokingFire> ficusplanet: does it also have cd ripping?
[10:05] <[mirak] > Matt|, ive been at work all day.......i just thought you said you were going....to bed, something.....idk..sorry
[10:05] <ficusplanet> Well, sound-juicer is integrated with it to an extent.
[10:05] <zack_> hey guys... sorry.
[10:05] <zack_> i have another problem
[10:06] <ficusplanet> SmokingFire, There is also a burning patch floating around for muine.
[10:06] <zack_> When i sudo apt-get install xmule it says it cannot be found
[10:06] <zack_> I did the update too
[10:06] <Matt|> zack_, you need more repositories maybe
[10:06] <zack_> how do i do that?
[10:06] <Matt|> edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment universe
[10:06] <g3r4rd0> zack_, edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:07] <SmokingFire> ficusplanet: well, I'm not looking for burning. Just nice ripping like ripping and playing at the seem time, more settings for codecs however not as advanced (or tedious) as grip.
[10:07] <SmokingFire> Just nice Ripping like Itunes, real and other major win app....
[10:08] <Matt|> ugh
[10:08] <zack_> do I just take universe of of the repositories?
[10:08] <epod> What's this about 2.6.8 having a memory leak that makes writing audio cd's impossible?
[10:08] <Matt|> zack_ take away the # in front of the universe lines
[10:08] <zack_> k
[10:09] <zack_> ughhh.... it wont let me
[10:09] <Matt|> is there a page which explains how to make an ubuntu package from source
[10:09] <Matt|> zack_, as root
[10:09] <zack_> how do I get root?
[10:09] <cyrus-tc> zack_, sudo
[10:09] <ficusplanet> SmokingFire, You might want to check out goobox or sound-juicer-2 (once rburton gets to work on it).
[10:09] <Matt|> i like grip :)
[10:09] <cyrus-tc> "sudo su -" or "sudo <insert your command here>" ;)
[10:09] <ogra> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:10] <zack_> thanks
[10:13] <keknehv> How do I activate the root account after I install ubuntu?
[10:14] <zack_> is there a way to login as root so I can change it?
[10:15] <keknehv> grrrr... I don't have the root password, even though I installed this thing!
[10:15] <Matt|> keknehv, no need: you can use sudo to get root
[10:15] <CraHan> hi, anyone here who uses ubuntu on an ibook?
[10:15] <Matt|> keknehv, the password is the password of the first user you made
[10:15] <CraHan> it all works fine, except that I can't find the correct keyboard layout in X
[10:15] <ys> what is a direct connect client i can use w/ ubuntu?
[10:15] <Matt|> direct connect?
[10:15] <Espectro> hi, i ordered 10 of those free warty cd's
[10:16] <keknehv> but it is asking me for a password in sudo
[10:16] <Espectro> when do they start shipping?
[10:16] <[mirak] > soon
[10:16] <eruditus> Hi - My menus don't update automatically when I install apps using Synaptic. How can I update the menus manually?
[10:16] <ficusplanet> keknehv, you user's password
[10:16] <ficusplanet> eruditus, killall gnome-panel
[10:16] <Espectro> [mirak] , will we be notified by email?
[10:16] <eruditus> (I don't mean right-clicking ... There has to be a command-line command to do that...)
[10:16] <keknehv> OHHH...
[10:16] <ys> Matt| - it's a file sharing program, we have a server @ my school that uses it
[10:16] <Matt|> Espectro, it takes 2 weeks
[10:16] <[mirak] > Espectro, I would assume by snail mail...when they show at your door
[10:16] <Matt|> ys, what is the server
[10:16] <eruditus> ficusplanet, you're kidding, right?
[10:16] <ys> download right from people's computers.  it's so fast
[10:16] <Matt|> Espectro, check the topic
[10:16] <ficusplanet> eruditus, nope
[10:17] <ys> can only access it if you're on the network
[10:17] <zack_> what command do I need to use to edit my sources.list
[10:17] <ys> it's ruxan.com
[10:17] <ys> you can check the website
[10:17] <Matt|> ys, there are so many file serving progs
[10:17] <eruditus> ficusplanet, what, so I end all the processes of the gnome panel just to get my menus?
[10:17] <Matt|> zack_, maybe better to use the GUI
[10:17] <ubll> zack_ you can use "nano" in the terminal
[10:17] <ubll> lol or not
[10:17] <ficusplanet> eruditus, it restarts when you kill it.
[10:17] <Matt|> zack_, you can use computer --> system config --> synaptic
[10:17] <Matt|> or nano as ubll says
[10:17] <[mirak] > zack_, or sudo gedit <path to the file>
[10:18] <zack_> thanks
[10:18] <eruditus> ficusplanet, ok. So, say I just installed Lyx - that would then show up in the menus? Also - can I do this from the root console?
[10:18] <epod> Is it true that kernel 2.6.8 has a memory leak that makes writing audio cd's impossible?
[10:19] <ficusplanet> I'm not sure if lyx would go in the GNOME menu, but yes, you can kill the panel from the root console.
[10:19] <ubll> epod, I somehow doubd that
[10:19] <ubll> doubt^
[10:19] <Matt|> eruditus, unfortunately there are many programs in ubuntu which do not get added automatically to the gnome menu
[10:19] <epod> ubll, the k3b site claims such is the case :/
[10:19] <santo_> epod, i think so
[10:19] <Matt|> eruditus, on the plus side, you can add them manually
[10:19] <ubll> epod, really :(
[10:19] <CraHan> dang it...
[10:19] <epod> So the default kernel for warty is all broken :(
[10:19] <eruditus> Matt|, *sigh* - the thing I'm trying to avoid...
[10:19] <ficusplanet> epod, I've written audio cds with 2.6.8.  Just need to be root.
[10:19] <zack_> alright, i took the #'s out of all of the universe things and this is my error message E: Type 'Uncomment' is not known on line 7 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:19] <zack_> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[10:19] <Matt|> epod, maybe it was solved in 2.6.8.1
[10:20] <CraHan> don't think ubuntu PPC has a keyboard layout on board for a be-latin1 keyboard on an ibook
[10:20] <CraHan> kinda annoying
[10:20] <ys> does anyone know a direct connect client for ubuntu?
[10:20] <epod> ficusplanet, Hm. I see.
[10:20] <eruditus> Matt|, just had problems with adding Koffice to the menus - manually. Took ages...
[10:20] <Matt|> zack_, delete the word "uncomment"
[10:20] <ys> is ubuntu debian based?
[10:20] <Matt|> zack_, i used that descriptively
[10:20] <ficusplanet> ys, yeah, read the faq
[10:20] <Matt|> ys yup
[10:20] <ubll> ys, Can you not use the regular old "direct connect" client
[10:20] <epod> ficusplanet, so if I install k3b, I'm going to want to chmod +s it? (iirc..)
[10:21] <ficusplanet> epod, yeah
[10:21] <ubll> what does "iirc" mean?
[10:21] <ficusplanet> if i remember correctly
[10:21] <ubll> thank you
[10:21] <mirak> [mirak]  each time somebody prompt you, I am called, that's annoying
[10:21] <santo_> ficusplanet, like sudo cdrecord ..., i tried that and didnt work
[10:21] <ficusplanet> santo_, works for me, sorry
[10:21] <CervAnteZ> hi all
[10:22] <santo_> why i cant change my nick to g3r4rd0?????
[10:22] <CervAnteZ> Please help, nothing works anymore since i installed gnome-volume-manager(and more importantly UDEV)!
[10:22] <Matt|> CraHan, if it doesn't, file a bug and hopefully they will add it
[10:22] <CraHan> well I found one that's rather close
[10:22] <ficusplanet> CervAnteZ, What do you mean "since you installed them"?  They are default.
[10:22] <CraHan> just a few keys missing
[10:23] <fissy> hi, coming from gentoo what are the equivalents of "rc-status" and "rc-update add service default"
[10:23] <Matt|> lol
[10:23] <Matt|> fissy, i have been doing it manually
[10:23] <mirak> is there a way to graphically add partitions in fstab ?
[10:23] <fissy> manually?
[10:23] <Matt|> fissy, making links in rc2.d for startup
[10:23] <fissy> oh right
[10:23] <mirak> fissy: auto
[10:24] <fissy> auto?
[10:24] <CervAnteZ> ficusplanet, i installed ubuntu using debootstrap
[10:24] <mirak> I tried install qtparted but there is a dependency problem
[10:24] <ficusplanet> CervAnteZ, What do you mean by "nothing works"?
[10:24] <CervAnteZ> ficusplanet, wont boot up completely anymore
[10:24] <ficusplanet> completely?
[10:24] <CervAnteZ> ficusplanet, mount gives segfaults all over
[10:25] <CervAnteZ> ficusplanet, lots of rc script failures
[10:25] <fissy> Matt|, i guess manually works, though not ideal imo. to stop postfix loading at boot (why why why?) i would delete the symlink from rc2.d?
[10:25] <Matt|> fissy, no not ideal
[10:26] <Matt|> fissy, i would remove the postfix program if i were you
[10:26] <Matt|> apt-get remove postfix
[10:26] <ficusplanet> CervAnteZ, Well, that has nothing to do with g-v-m for sure.  Could be/probably is udev related.
[10:26] <fissy> thats a fair idea, but not the solution Matt| ;-)
[10:26] <Matt|> fissy, i agree
[10:26] <Matt|> fissy, i believe there is no other way than those two
[10:26] <CervAnteZ> ficusplanet, i know, is there a way to reverse whatever the udev package does on installation?
[10:27] <Matt|> the idea is that people don't need to remove rc.d entries
[10:27] <Matt|> i guess
[10:28] <ficusplanet> CervAnteZ, If I remember correctly there is a safe/recovery mode on the boot menu?  Did you try booting into it?  If not, try using it and removing udev, I suppose.
[10:29] <Matt|> does checkinstall check dependencies?
[10:29] <Matt|> fissy, :(
[10:29] <CervAnteZ> ficusplanet, i am talking to you using knoppix, i already purged the udev package, but no success, plus i am unable to reinstall it, since apt-get install wont work without proc
[10:30] <ficusplanet> CervAnteZ, I'm not sure how I would proceed then.  It seems the easiest route is just a reinstall.  Do you have the capability to install without debootstrap?
[10:31] <CervAnteZ> ficusplanet, not really because i cannot use the cdburner because i cannot remove the knoppix cd :-)
[10:31] <dialtone> if I replace warty with hoary in sources.list and do a dist-upgrade will I move to hoary?
[10:31] <ficusplanet> dialtone, yes
[10:32] <jcole> how does one tell *why* a package is marked as broken?
[10:32] <dialtone> should I replace warty with hoary also with universe? (I also heard about multiverse, what is that?)
[10:33] <ficusplanet> CervAnteZ, Hmm.  I would personally just find a friend with a nice internet connection and a burner.  ;)
[10:36] <[mirak] > CervAnteZ, where do you live?...i guess I could send you a cd this weekend
[10:36] <[mirak] > CervAnteZ, as long as you are in the us
[10:37] <ys> i want to change my apt-get download server. can anyone help?
[10:38] <[mirak] > does ubuntu have "net-select"???...thats the only way I know how
[10:39] <[mirak] > ys, try "sudo net select"....but I have no idea if it will work or not..i am on windows box atm..or I would test it
[10:39] <CervAnteZ> [mirak] , thank you, thats very nice, but since i live in Austria it would take quite a while to get here :-)
[10:39] <lt_kije> the package is called netselect (no space)
[10:40] <lt_kije> should be able to apt-get it
[10:40] <lt_kije> there's also netselect-apt; dunno the difference, really.
[10:40] <fissy> Matt|, i've marked postfix for removal, it wants to remove a load of other stuff including 'ubuntu base'
[10:40] <[mirak] > lt_kije, iwas close.....sorry...im anewb...did my best
[10:40] <lt_kije> :-)
[10:41] <Matt|> fissy, it's fine
[10:41] <Matt|> fissy, i've removed it
[10:41] <dialtone> fine, I like ubuntu
[10:41] <huhmz> Need help configuring an SMB printer, i get this as status message "Printing: Unable to connect to SAMBA host, will retry in 60 seconds...foomatic-rip version $Revision: 3.43.2.5 $ running..." the shared printer is there, i can see it with smbclient -L familjen
[10:41] <Matt|> ubuntu-base is just meta-package
[10:41] <dialtone> I went away from debian, to go to gentoo, then, after a year and a half moved to freebsd, since today, in 30 minutes ubuntu was up and running and now updating to hoary
[10:42] <fissy> ok, there are half a dozen other packages though.... i guess i don't really need mutt hough
[10:42] <hectorvs> huhmz: im having a prob too, gnome-cups-manager just crashes on me every time i try to set up a printer...
[10:42] <dialtone> great
[10:42] <huhmz> hectorvs: do you know if one needs SAMBA running on the client (ubuntu) or something like that?
[10:43] <hectorvs> i dont know, actually
[10:44] <ficusplanet> Does anybody know if reiser4 will be supported or at least included in hoary?
[10:44] <Deep7> can anyone comment on how to combat hi IO-Wait percentages is in Top? ie +80% sometimes
[10:46] <huhmz> Deep7: reduce disk load?
[10:47] <huhmz> if encrypted partitions are used that adds to it as well
[10:49] <Calvin> hi all , a quick question.. i am having trouble with my S3 Prosavage Graphics card in XF86 on ubuntu. I read the bug report on the homepage and it says get this upload : Fix with xfree86_4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu24 upload. .... question is .. where do i get it ???
[10:53] <huhmz> hectorvs: i get that crash now as well!
[10:53] <huhmz> progress!
[10:53] <_case> is ndiswrapper in the apt repos?
[10:54] <lt_kije> ndiswrapper-utils is...
[10:55] <lt_kije> "user space tools for ndiswrapper"...
[10:55] <_case> yep
[10:55] <_case> but the module seems to be amiss
[10:56] <lt_kije> _case: see if this helps: http://www.holwegner.com/view/364
[10:56] <hectorvs> huhmz: i dont get the crash anymore, but it doesnt print, hehe... when i print a test page, it appears as if it printed, but nothing actually prints.
[10:56] <hectorvs> for host use the name of the computer the printer is plugged, only the name, no /
[10:56] <Calvin> anyone knows where i can get the xfree86_4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu24 PATCH ??
[10:57] <hectorvs> for the printer, use the name the printer uses for sharing, it should be in --right click -- sharing
[10:57] <zack_> Hey, I just apt-got GTK-GNUTELLA and I can find it in the Internet or Multimedia tabs. Where is this located?
[10:57] <huhmz> hectorvs: same here, but do you use the windows name of the computer or the IP ?
[10:57] <lt_kije> _case: there's also an article on ndiswrapper in the ubuntu wiki (search "ndiswrapper")
[10:58] <hectorvs> huhmz: windows name of the pc... but still it doesnt print
[10:58] <_case> lt_kije, will look, TY :)
[10:58] <huhmz> do you get a status message if you check properties on the printer?
[10:58] <CraHan> In OSX I had to use alt+( to get the [, any idea how I can get that behaviour in ubuntu?
[10:59] <CraHan> as things are now I can't get my keyboard to display {} and [] 
[10:59] <hectorvs> huhmz, i used to, something like NT_ something, but now i dont get anything...
[10:59] <zack_> Hey, I just apt-got GTK-GNUTELLA and I can find it in the Internet or Multimedia tabs. Where is this located
[10:59] <huhmz> hectorvs: same here, first NT_SOMETHING_ACCESS_DENIED
[10:59] <hectorvs> in the username put guest
[10:59] <lt_kije> zack_: it may not have been added to the GNOME menu -- try logging in again. if that doesn't work, you'll need to add it yourself.
[10:59] <huhmz> then i got some bullshit about couldnt find samba and now i get nothing
[11:00] <hectorvs> huhmz: try putting "guest" in the username field
[11:01] <huhmz> omg praise allah! its printing by god its printing!
[11:02] <ficusplanet> lt_kije, for future reference, you can just run killall gnome-panel to reload the menus
[11:02] <huhmz> hectorvs: I used IP for the "computer name", the printer name for the printer name (duh) and guest as account with no password
[11:02] <lt_kije> ficusplanet: thanks -- I've always just added the item manually. killall would be more elegant. :-)
[11:03] <CraHan> hmmm... no way to get to the third char on the keyboard :/
[11:03] <hectorvs> can you access your files through the network?
[11:04] <huhmz> yes
[11:04] <huhmz> hectorvs: if you cant see your shares when you do "smbclient -L computer_name" then you have a problem
[11:05] <Espectro> does ubuntu come with postgres on the cd? according to the wiki, it does, but only libpgsql is included, postgres needs to be downloaded
[11:05] <looksaus> is there any root-on-software-raid support in ubuntu?
[11:06] <SuperQ> looksaus: yes
[11:06] <SuperQ> Espectro: it's probably a download item
[11:06] <looksaus> SuperQ, nice, now the only thing left is to make it recoginse my CD drive
[11:06] <looksaus> :)
[11:07] <looksaus> strange thing happening
[11:07] <Espectro> SuperQ, that's the point, at least the wiki should say when a package comes with the cd, and which one is available by downloading
[11:07] <dieman> looksaus: it sort of works, it takes some real hauranging to convinvce the installer to do raid 1 and put lvm on top of it.
[11:08] <looksaus> oh, that's ok, I don't need lvm
[11:08] <looksaus> fairly static config...
[11:08] <kensai> is clock-applet broken in the latest hoary update?
[11:09] <ficusplanet> Woot. First release of coaster is out.
[11:10] <Tenniru> Hey, what are the diffirences between the WartyWarthog PPC Preview and the full PPC version?
[11:10] <zack_> Hi, I posted a few minutes ago about my GTK-GNUTELLA not showing up. I restarted and it still didn't show. Someone gave me an alternative ( to manually add it to the programs list) and I dont know where it is on my HD. Any ideas?
[11:10] <ficusplanet> Tenniru, lots of package updates.
[11:10] <lt_kije> zack_: try locate gtk-gnutella
[11:10] <Tenniru> Ah.
[11:11] <huhmz> zack_: type "which gtk-gnutella" in a terminal
[11:11] <Tenniru> How would I go to the preview to the current without losing my stuff?
[11:11] <Espectro> Tenniru, sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:12] <Tenniru> Thanks.
[11:12] <mirak> rythmbox is crappy, it won't load half my mp3's !
[11:12] <mirak> anyone have this problem ?
[11:12] <Tenniru> Yes.
[11:12] <Tenniru> It didn't load ANYTHING for me, and dies when hearing streaming radio.
[11:12] <huhmz> it crashed for me first time i tried it so xmms for me
[11:12] <Espectro> rhythmbox is crap
[11:12] <Tenniru> I strongly reccomend XMMS.
[11:13] <Espectro> amarok rocks...
[11:13] <Espectro> it's like a 21st century xmms
[11:13] <lt_kije> i really like muine -- it's in debian sid but not warty universe.
[11:13] <Tenniru> I wish RythmBox worked, though. I prefer the iTunes-esque interface over XMMS' Winamp-esque one that I despise so.
[11:13] <looksaus> dieman, SuperQ, looks as if this i875p chipset bug was mentioned several times before, but not in bugzilla
[11:13] <Espectro> xmms's based on mpg123, which i pretty old
[11:13] <lt_kije> it's by the rhythmbox lead -- good looks, nicer functionality, i think.
[11:14] <looksaus> (no cdrom found)
[11:14] <ficusplanet> muine is great. There is an ubuntu repo with it, too.
[11:14] <lt_kije> ficusplanet: which? I just took it off the debian server and installed mono, too...
[11:14] <looksaus> what info would be needed for a useful bug report?
[11:14] <ficusplanet> deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/ ./
[11:14] <looksaus> any url with hints?
[11:14] <huhmz> Espectro: it's old but it works
[11:14] <ficusplanet> lt_kije, That has all the major mono apps.
[11:14] <lt_kije> ficusplanet: thanks...i'll look at it later.
[11:14] <[Siff] > what app does everyone reccomend for shoutcast streams?
[11:15] <huhmz> listening or sending?
[11:15] <lt_kije> ficusplanet: great! i've been looking for a good repo with mono stuff...awesome.
[11:15] <huhmz> sending = icecast
[11:15] <[Siff] > listening
[11:15] <ficusplanet> streamtuner
[11:15] <[Siff] > or sending if there's a good one
[11:16] <huhmz> listening works well in xmms
[11:16] <Tenniru> I would, too, like to know which one would do sending.
[11:16] <mirak> how do I install amarok ?
[11:16] <[Siff] > those both in the repositories?
[11:16] <mirak> I mean it seams there is dependency problems
[11:17] <Espectro> kde apps have very few dependencies
[11:17] <Espectro> since this is ubuntu, it will be harder
[11:18] <Espectro> i really hope ubuntu would become kde centric
[11:18] <ficusplanet> Espectro, Not going to happen.
[11:18] <Espectro> i know
[11:18] <ficusplanet> Use mepis.
[11:18] <Espectro> gnome is a pain to compile, it is getting dropped out of slackware because of this
[11:18] <Espectro> kde only needs qt and libxml to compile
[11:19] <ficusplanet> Espectro, It isn't that hard. Ubuntu released the day of gnome2.8.
[11:19] <Espectro> yeah i know
[11:19] <lt_kije> Espectro: gnome is still being provided for slack, just not by the slack lead. dropline does such a good job of it that there's no reason to duplicate the effort.
[11:20] <Espectro> yeah
[11:20] <Espectro> in reality, i just prefer konqueror over firefox
[11:20] <Espectro> because of the speed
[11:20] <lt_kije> it's not too hard to just do a debian install (using the latest installer) and set up kde.
[11:20] <Espectro> if konqueror gets in, i am happy
[11:20] <ShadowHawk> What do I need to put in the synaptic packages repository config to get the development repositories?
[11:20] <lt_kije> you can "kde-ize" debian pretty easily'
[11:20] <crimsun> deb-src <...>
[11:21] <ficusplanet> ShadowHawk, Change warty to hoary throughout sources.list
[11:21] <Espectro> yeah, i could install it myself, the idea is to "ubuntize" it :)
[11:21] <crimsun> or do you mean -dev ?
[11:21] <ShadowHawk> ficusplanet: What about after hoary comes out?  Is there a permanent devel branch, or do I need to change this every release?
[11:22] <crimsun> for now you'll need to change it every release
[11:22] <ficusplanet> ShadowHawk, I believe you'll need to change it again in six months, yes.
[11:23] <zack_> Does anyone know of a program like KARAMBA for Ubuntu?
[11:23] <b_e_n_z> another interesting VM project... http://xen.sf.net
[11:23] <ficusplanet> zack_, gdesklets
[11:23] <Tenniru> It there an online deb repository with FireFox?
[11:23] <Tenniru> The one in Synaptic Package wants the CD which I don't have.
[11:23] <dizzy> does ubuntu support xen?
[11:23] <lt_kije> Tenniru: just modify your /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the line that has the cd...
[11:24] <b_e_n_z> xen supports debian
[11:24] <ficusplanet> Tenniru, Just uncheck the cdrom line in Settings>>Repository and then click reload in synaptic.
[11:24] <b_e_n_z> i mean deb package
[11:24] <b_e_n_z> i mean deb packages
[11:24] <ShadowHawk> HOLY CRAP
[11:24] <ShadowHawk> I did the change to Hoary and now I have 1935894888 broken packages
[11:24] <ShadowHawk> what
[11:25] <dizzy> I downloaded the xen package but I found only a kernel image and no documentation in it
[11:25] <crimsun> you shouldn't.
[11:25] <crimsun> I just dist-upgraded last night
[11:25] <ShadowHawk> That's what it says at the bottom of synaptic
[11:25] <crimsun> I can't imagine things having broken in a mere 6 hours.
[11:25] <ficusplanet> ShadowHawk, click reload
[11:25] <ShadowHawk> I think it wrapped around the number of broken packages...
[11:25] <ShadowHawk> ok I hit reload and synaptic crashed
[11:26] <ShadowHawk> Ok things look fine now
[11:27] <kensai> I upgraded to hoary and now the clock-applet of gnome is broken. Anyone has the same problem?
[11:28] <epod> isn't hoary unstable?
[11:29] <Tenniru> Okay, got it...
[11:29] <kensai> yep
[11:29] <kensai> epod: hoary is unstable
[11:29] <epod> yeah, that'd explain it not working
[11:29] <carlos> where do i config my smb shares? i know i can probably hit smb.conf or something but is there a gui tool in Ubuntu that does it?
[11:31] <kensai> epod: is just that I have never used unstable from debian before and don't know about packages broken
[11:31] <epod> Ubuntu is my first debian experience myself
[11:31] <Tyche> Does Ubuntu have Ximian for it?
[11:31] <kensai> epod: mine too
[11:32] <Espectro> i have tried debian lots of times
[11:32] <diviy> help  please  were  is  the  best place  to   get  info on  configuring  ubuntu  installed  it  to my laptop  ok but i  havent  a  clue  were to go from there  so  were  can  a  newbie  get  some  easy to understand  faq  and  good help files  please
[11:32] <kensai> but I like it is just that it is my first broken package
[11:32] <Espectro> apt-get is way overrated
[11:32] <ShadowHawk> Synaptic is jawesome
[11:32] <diviy> can  even  connect to the  net  with it !!!!
[11:32] <Espectro> synaptic is just a gui for apt-get
[11:33] <ShadowHawk> Right.  But that makes it wonderous, Espectro
[11:33] <Espectro> ShadowHawk, apt-get flaws are not in its interface
[11:33] <Espectro> it's in its backend
[11:34] <ShadowHawk> diviy: How do you connect to internet?  Are you having modem or network card problems?
[11:34] <ShadowHawk> Espectro: Well, it's better than RPM, I'll put it at that.
[11:34] <Espectro> that's your first mistake
[11:34] <fissy> is it possible to get the latest ximian openoffice in ubuntu without compiling it manuall?
[11:34] <Espectro> you need to compare apples to apples
[11:34] <Espectro> rpm compares to dpkg
[11:34] <kensai> Espectro: Very right
[11:35] <Espectro> apt-rpm compares to apt-get (apt-rpm is the same thing overall)
[11:35] <Espectro> the best package manager for me, is portage
[11:35] <Espectro> but it isn't a fair comparison either
[11:35] <kensai> portage is overral good
[11:36] <kensai> but I think synaptic is the best
[11:36] <diviy> just  comes  up with  error  msg   www.??. could  not  be  found  looking  for  some guidance  of  how  to  configyre  it  all
[11:36] <Espectro> portage's avantages are mostly due to not being held due to static packages
[11:36] <kensai> I mean apt
[11:37] <kensai> but yeah portage is very good and with it's frontend porthole it is just like synaptic
[11:37] <diviy> i  connect  throu  a  cable  modem
[11:37] <kensai> diviy: that maybe a mudule for your ethernet card is not there
[11:37] <Espectro> if gentoo would keep its binary packages updated, i would use it
[11:38] <Espectro> but using gentoo means to waste space in development libraries not needed when using binaries
[11:38] <kensai> diviy: I have the same prob in slackware and gentoo
[11:39] <ShadowHawk> Well, I've yet to see dpkg without apt-get, but installing apt-rpm is nothing but headaches.
[11:39] <fissy> Espectro, i have a 200GB hard drive.... having even as much as 5GB of development libraries isn't really an issue any more
[11:39] <diviy> so  any ideas  how  to get it  working  i  am  really a  newbie  newbie
[11:39] <ShadowHawk> Ah, sorry diviy, I faded away there.
[11:39] <diviy> np
[11:40] <fissy> Espectro, i've had to install a load of development libraies manually today because i need a package not in ubuntu's sources
[11:40] <ShadowHawk> Is your ethernet card a PCMCIA card or is it built into the back of the laptop?
[11:40] <diviy> built in
[11:40] <fissy> anyway, ximian openoffice anyone?
[11:40] <ShadowHawk> Have you tried going to Computer->System Configuration->Networking
[11:40] <epod> fissy, how is that different from normal openoffice?
[11:40] <diviy> brb
[11:40] <jdz`_> Hi, what's the Ubuntu equivelent of Debian's base-config called?
[11:41] <fissy> epod, looks prettier cause it uses gnome icons and fits in with the gtk theme better, more importantly, newer versions use the new gtk file selector
[11:41] <ShadowHawk> diviy: I'm assuming the cable modem works with another computer plugged into it, and the problem is just that Ubuntu isn't accessing, right?
[11:41] <Espectro> so right now i am using slack, but not having a good repository of packages just sucks
[11:41] <Espectro> so i heard about ubuntu and it has some good features i want
[11:41] <Espectro> debian's package repository is indeed the biggest, so no problem there
[11:41] <Espectro> debian stable plain just sucks for desktop
[11:41] <Espectro> debian sid just updates too much
[11:41] <Espectro> so i wanted something with recent packages, updated but stable
[11:41] <epod> fissy, hm, is it in synaptic?
[11:41] <fissy> epod, no
[11:41] <ShadowHawk> Espectro: Welcome to Ubuntu, then :)
[11:41] <skar> hi, i've got a 15" monitor, can i set 1024X768 at 85 Hz?
[11:41] <epod> fissy, ahh suckage.
[11:42] <Espectro> i will see how ubuntu is going to do updates to stable packages between releases
[11:42] <fissy> i don't mind the 12 hour compile *that* much, but i would rather not
[11:42] <diviy> im  diconnecting the  patch lead  and  pluging straight into my  laptop
[11:42] <Espectro> like if package x 1.2.2 is installed, and 1.2.3 is released, will ubuntu offer the new version?
[11:43] <eckstejs> Hi! Just installed ubuntu. But some questions are remaining. O:) - First of all: How can I use my usb-stick? and How can I use my NTFS-Partitions? O:-))
[11:43] <jdz`_> What's the Ubuntu equivelent of Debian's base-config called?
[11:43] <ShadowHawk> jdz`_: I'm pretty sure it's base-config , but the Ubuntu version is different from the main Debian version
[11:43] <fissy> eckstejs: /dev/sda1       /mnt/d2a        ntfs    user,auto,umask=000,ro  0       0
[11:44] <jdz`_> ShadowHawk: Thanks for answering.  I tried base-config -- and it the same as the Debian one, not the Ubuntu post-install questions
[11:44] <fissy> eckstejs, that is a line from my fstab showing how to mount an NTFS partition
[11:44] <eckstejs> is there any german channel? :)
[11:44] <eckstejs> fissy: thanx, got it
[11:44] <ShadowHawk> I really don't know, but I suggest fooling around with apt-cache, heh
[11:44] <jdz`_> ShadowHawk: I aborted Ubuntu's base-config by mistake, and need to get back into it somehow
[11:44] <eckstejs> fissy: but will it be shon at Computer/Drives?
[11:44] <Espectro> eckstejs, i just insert my usb stick and it works
[11:45] <ShadowHawk> diviy: The patch lead?  Are you using a crossover cable or not?  You might have flipped the ethernet wires around if you're doing something unusual with your network setup.  Do you have a working computer that you can plug in with you?
[11:45] <eckstejs> Espectro: how did it work? dmesg didn't say anything about /dev/sda1 (as I'm used from kernel 2.6.7)
[11:46] <diviy> yea   have  a  workomh  machine   laptop  on me  lap  as  we  speak
[11:46] <Espectro> eckstejs, weird, mine works
[11:46] <Espectro> try mounting it
[11:46] <ShadowHawk> ok, so it's just a matter of Ubuntu not connecting by the card.  Did you try adding it in the Computer->System Configuration->Networking thing yet?
[11:47] <Espectro> eckstejs, is hotplug running?
[11:47] <fissy> eckstejs, yes it will be shown in computer/drives/on your desktop if you mount it to a folder /mnt/somedrive like i did in mine
[11:47] <eckstejs> Espectro: oh, we got a problem. A MicroS*ft-USB-Stick works, but an dnt FUN256 doesn't work - but that thing worked with KNOPPIX 3.6 at the same PC
[11:48] <diviy>  in  network setting  i  have   ethernet lan  card   in  the  connection  tab
[11:48] <Espectro> what do you mean by ms stick?
[11:48] <ShadowHawk> Click it and select activate.  If that doesn't work, Try removing it then adding it again.
[11:49] <Espectro> you mean FAT formatted?
[11:49] <ShadowHawk> Espectro: I think it's a MS brand USB stick
[11:49] <Espectro> fat works in linux, windows, and mac
[11:49] <diviy>  ok  gonna  have  to  disconect this machine   back in  five   if it  works  cheers  m8
[11:49] <eckstejs> Espectro: A "normal" USB-Stick (donated by M$ during a MSDN-RoadShow) - Yeah, FAT-Formated
[11:49] <ShadowHawk> diviy: good luck
[11:50] <Espectro> eckstejs, try formatting it in windows
[11:50] <Espectro> eckstejs, if that doesn't work, something is wrong in mass storage
[11:50] <eckstejs> eckstejs: it's an mp3-player and is managed by the hardware on the stick
[11:50] <Espectro> u talking to urself now? :)
[11:51] <Espectro> i wonder how it worked with knoppix
[11:51] <Espectro> it is propietary crap
[11:51] <eckstejs> Espectro: *ggg*
[11:51] <Espectro> but i guess u dont look in the horse mouth when getting something free
[11:52] <Espectro> i hope that msdn thing was free
[11:53] <nevyn>  eckstejs don't format it in windows if you want the mp3player to work.
[11:54] <jdub> GOOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS!
[11:54] <epod> mmm... games
[11:54] <Espectro> evening here
[11:54] <homeas> jdub, I want my flumotion ubuntu goodness !
[11:54] <yann__> midnight here
[11:55] <arc_> jdub: you!!!
[11:55] <arc_> :D
[11:55] <arc_> jdub: how do you do?
[11:55] <jdub> hey arc_
[11:55] <jdub> doing well, how about you?
[11:55] <Espectro> jdub, you aussie or something?
[11:55] <jdub> yes
[11:55] <ogra> good morning jdub from the other side of the world ;)
[11:55] <arc_> very tired, convincing people to install ubuntu at the office :P
[11:56] <homeas> jdub, anything I can do to speed up the process ? send russian hitmen to someone ?
[11:56] <jdub> arc_: rad :)
[11:56] <jdub> arc_: coming out our conference in december? :)
[11:56] <Espectro> jdub, is is true that the toilets flush backwards?
[11:56] <arc_> jdub: december? where?
[11:56] <jdub> jpo
[11:56] <homeas> arc_, spain baby
[11:56] <jdub> homeas: i'll have to check if gst-python has been synced
[11:56] <jdub> arc_: just outside barcelona
[11:56] <arc_> hum.... it's a good chance to visit barcelona...
[11:57] <arc_> jdub: what's the exact date?
[11:57] <jdub> arc_: 5th-18th
[11:57] <jdub> arc_: see the website
[11:57] <arc_> oh, I can't
[11:57] <arc_> :(
[11:57] <arc_> exams...
[11:57] <jdub> ouch
[11:57] <jdub> bummer :|
[11:58] <ogra> jdub will you guys sort out some shuttle service from the airport or do i have to keep the taxi money in mind ?
[11:58] <eckstejs> Espectro: The thing says "Nov  5 22:56:02 localhost kernel: scsi6 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices" - but nothing happens
[11:58] <arc_> yeah, but, anyway, I think that I can go to germany
[11:58] <arc_> jdub: so we'll see there :)
[11:58] <jdub> ogra: hrm, i don't know.
[11:59] <ogra> 70km are pretty much
[11:59] <Espectro> eckstejs, no mention of /dev/sdsomething?
[11:59] <eckstejs> Espectro: Nope - the other stick goes on with "Nov  5 22:56:46 localhost kernel: SCSI device sdb: 64000 512-byte hdwr sectors (33 MB)" and so on, but not with the player...