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mdzseb128: hmm, still no rhythmbox build logs12:26
mdzlamont: ?12:26
seb128mdz: yeah, that's weird12:26
mdzlamont called, he is involuntarily offline01:06
seb128ok01:08
mdzno idea why rhythmbox is missing, though01:09
seb128perhaps I should try to upload it again01:10
seb128but it'll probably get rejected if the previous has been accepted01:11
mdzyeah, the source is fine01:12
thomMithrandir: belatedly, yes. it segfaults only in the chroot01:33
jdubgrr.01:34
jdubanyone else having problems with archive.ubuntu.com?01:34
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mdzjdub: no problems01:36
jdubthanks01:36
jdubhrm, wonder if it does ftp01:36
jdubahr, sweet01:36
jdubmdz: ok, so how do we deal with the calendar packages issue?01:46
jdubdo we just sync them from warty?01:46
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mdzjdub: that's still an elmo question02:11
mdzjdub: I think he's out, so send email02:11
jdubok02:14
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mojo_where is seb128??03:47
mojo_seb128, where are u?03:53
mojo_you haven't changed the link of the Evolution Shortcut mate, it's still evolution-2.0!!03:53
tsengmojo_: works for me03:53
mojo_tseng: have u updated to latest?03:55
mojo_tseng: it's 2.10 packages03:55
mojo_tseng: and seb128 hasn't changed the shortcut from evo-2.0 to evo-2.203:55
tsengyes..03:55
mojo_tseng: click on the icon of Evo mate03:56
tsengi did, mate03:56
tsenglrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 13 2004-11-05 17:05 /usr/bin/evolution -> evolution-2.203:56
tseng2.1.0-0ubuntu2(/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages)(/var/lib/dpkg/status)03:56
mojo_tseng: heh?03:57
tsengheh yourself03:57
mojo_tseng: mine still links to 2.003:57
mojo_tseng: i think I should restart the box03:57
tsengim not sure how rebooting will repoint a softlink03:57
mojo_tseng: no idea mate, I can fix it easily, but make sure seb128 aware of this03:58
mojo_tseng: have u got gtkhtml3.6 installed? (try to remove 3.2 version) and run 'yelp'03:58
tsengyes yelp is broken03:58
mojo_tseng: thx mate, try run ataxx games mate03:59
tsengworksform03:59
tsenge03:59
mojo_tseng: ???04:00
mojo_tseng: darn, lots of programs still use old shit gtkhtml2, I hope they migrate to latest version soon04:01
tsengim sure its being worked on04:01
mojo_tseng: did u get such msg: FATAL: udev is active on /dev when boot up??04:02
tsengi dont believe so04:03
tsengyou do realize that hoary will be broken04:03
mojo_tseng: hehe, I know that it will break, that makes me love it mroe04:04
mdzmojo_: the /usr/bin/evolution symlink and the binary it points to are in the same package04:32
mdzthey cannot be out of sync04:32
mojo_mdz: yes, I know but if u check the shortcut of Evolution in Main Menu and in the Panel, u find that seb using evolution-2.0 not evolution04:52
jdubonly in the evolution mail one04:52
jdubwhich is a local patch04:52
jdubmojo_: better than mentioning it here, you should file a bug04:53
mdzelmo: well hello05:37
elmo?05:54
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jdub$ ./universe06:24
jdubcabextract06:24
jdubethtool06:24
jdubhowl-utils06:24
jdubmdnsresponder06:24
jdubmsttcorefonts06:24
jdub06:24
bob2not too shabby06:24
bob2but you should be using BITSTREAM VERA06:24
fabbionemorning guys06:24
bob2hey fabbione 06:24
jdubyo fabbione 06:25
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fabbionejdub: you can use different versions for warty/hoary06:25
jdub$ universe | wc -l06:25
jdub8506:25
jdub^ daily use machine :)06:25
fabbionecalendar 4.10.<month> for warty06:25
fabbionecalendar 5.04.<month> hoary06:25
jdubfabbione: i know, but i want to know the best solution06:25
fabbionethat is possible06:25
jduboh right06:26
fabbionewell i think having two packages with only the version change is the simplest06:26
jdubalready stuck with the ubuntu-style versioning now ;)06:26
fabbionelinking across distro is not always the best solution and requires elmo manual help06:26
jdubideally, i'd like to keep the packages the same06:26
jdubbecause they really are the same thing06:27
jdubyeah06:27
mdzif they are the same, they should be the same06:31
jdubyeah06:31
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mdzsame situation as when testing and unstable have the same version06:32
maskiemorning guys --- fyi sabdfl made the front page of the business section of a big daily newspaper here is South Africa yesterday06:34
jdubcool06:35
jdubmarius! of schooltool fame?06:35
fabbionehuu06:35
fabbionenice06:35
maskieno ... different one ... but know sabdfl from way back06:36
fabbioneosti:/usr/src/xorg-6.8.1# dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -b -B06:36
fabbionedpkg-buildpackage: source package is xorg06:36
fabbionedpkg-buildpackage: source version is 6.8.1-0.206:36
fabbionedpkg-buildpackage: source maintainer is Fabio M. Di Nitto <fabbione@fabbione.net>06:36
fabbionedpkg-buildpackage: host architecture is m68k06:36
fabbioneMUHA MUHA MUHA :-)06:36
jdubmaskie: for some reason, there are too many mariuses around the place these days ;)06:36
maskiejdub, have noticed ...06:37
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mojo_can someone check the libgladmm in Synaptic for me? Ver 2.4 is there but not used08:31
mojo_libglademm08:32
bob2there are multiple versions atm08:32
mojo_bob2: thx, my pb08:36
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jdubi like hoary09:39
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danielsok, a request.  if anyone tells anyone using an IGP320/340 chipset to use fglrx, tell them *not* to.  the stock Ubuntu drivers work *fine* with those chipsets, and fglrx does not.  the solution to any problems is not to install fglrx, or SuSE.  please correct anyone saying this (comes up a lot on the forums).  thanks.09:58
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fabbionem68k is at Makefiles stage :-)10:00
danielslet me guess, you kicked off the build last week?10:02
danielshm, back in 2010:02
fabbioneehehe10:11
fabbioneno only this morning10:11
mjg59Hrm. Why is sys_mount returning EFAULT ?10:16
danielsphat!10:31
danielsthom: you can run 'Xorg :1 -ac' with impunity now10:32
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mjg59Want... crack...10:33
bob2you're working on acpi10:34
bob2you have all the crack you can eat10:34
fabbionegooooody10:35
fabbionesparc mirror is done and the sparc is booting :-)10:36
fabbionetime to install10:36
fabbioneok power-off10:36
fabbionelom>10:36
fabbioneLOM event: power off10:36
danielsfabbione: awesome :)10:36
fabbionetoo cool :-)10:36
jdubfabbione: you're setting up a buildd?10:37
fabbionejdub: yes, but not today10:38
mjg59fabbione/daniels: What would really, really rock would be a small command-line app that could call the dpms bios routines10:38
mjg59So x86 emulation + int 10 code10:39
fabbionemjg59: write one for us? ;)10:41
mjg59Haha10:41
bob2bah10:41
bob2new firefox doesn't let me use ctrl-k to nuke lines in next boxes10:41
mjg59Gah. Close.10:44
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fabbionedaniels: i am way behind schedule here at home10:46
fabbionedaniels: do you want to come here after lunch and then we go shopping?10:46
danielsfabbione: yeah, sure10:46
danielsfabbione: whenever's good for you, just let me know :)10:47
mojo_i hope us guys upload the new X.org soon, im dying of patience10:47
mjg59Fuck.10:47
danielsmojo_: dying of patience?  that's a rare condition10:47
mjg59That wasn't the problem at all.10:47
danielsmojo_: it will be soon10:47
danielsmjg59: OH MY GOD DUDE NO10:47
danielsmjg59: please do not encourage that sort of behaviour (userspace int10)10:47
fabbionemojo_: when it is ready.10:47
danielsmjg59: that said, ddcprobe does VBE calls10:47
danielsmjg59: so you could probably steal its code10:47
mjg59daniels: Dude, how else can you call the DPMS code?10:47
danielsmjg59: most cards seem to have ICan'tBeliveIt'sNotInt10 for accessing VBE10:48
mjg59Mm. I'll check ddcprobe, then10:48
danielsmjg59: but yeah, fair cop10:48
danielsmjg59: what do you want the DPMS code for?10:48
mjg59Console blanking10:48
danielsah.10:48
mjg59ACPI has no way of blanking the screen10:48
mojo_then when can I see a new CD Test for Hoary?10:48
sivangtseng : you meant yelp broken on the hoary ?10:49
danielsmojo_: there are CDs built already, AIUI10:49
mjg59Why the fuck can the kernel not read /sys/block/hda/hda2/dev ?10:49
danielsmjg59: bong10:49
mojo_daniels: if it's ready, pls give me the link10:49
danielsmojo_: not yte.10:49
danielsmojo_: if it was ready, there would be links and public announcements10:49
mojo_daniels: informe me ok10:49
danielsmojo_: there will be next week, sit tight for a few more days10:50
danielsmojo_: you will be informed, I assure you10:50
mojo_daniels: hehe, thx dude10:50
danielsmojo_: (that said, if I /msg'ed everyone who wanted it personally, my wrists would implode)10:50
mojo_daniels: lol10:50
danielsfabbione: alright, I'm going to go out and find breakfast somewhere -- if you need me in the next 45min or so, SMS me (.au number, on wiki)10:51
fabbioneok boot net10:53
fabbioneBoot device: /pci@1f,0/pci@1,1/network@1,1  File and args: 10:53
fabbione73000 10:53
fabbionedaniels: no problem... i need to clean the house a bit and mount the table10:53
fabbioneso take your time10:53
bob2mount the table?10:54
mojo_fabbione: who's working on the fb GUI boot up?10:54
bob2no one, atm10:54
fabbionemojo_: Kamion10:54
mojo_fabbione: thx10:54
fabbionebut it's not high priority10:54
fabbionemeaning that it might or might be not part of hoary10:54
fabbiones/might/may10:55
mojo_fabbione: that's why I need to rush Kamion10:55
fabbionePROMLIB: Sun IEEE Boot Prom 3.10.27 2000/06/22 16:45                            10:55
jdubmojo_: no, you don't.10:55
bob2mojo_: you can't rush him, he has other things to do10:55
bob2mojo_: you can offer to help him, tho10:55
fabbionemojo_: it is simply not a goal for hoary10:55
fabbioneif it will be there good.. otherwise good ;)10:56
danielsfabbione: rad10:56
mojo_fabbione: my girlfriends refuses to use Ubuntu for Fedora CORE, simply b/c she scares the text init boot up, and just loves something fancy like SuSE or FC10:57
fabbionemojo_: rushing people will not change anything.. if you want a GUI installer is much better to offer help, trust me10:58
fabbioneoh god.. partitioner on serial console at 9600 is a pain10:59
mjg59ARGH MORE EFAULTS11:00
fabbioneactually.. everything on serial console is pain11:00
bob2hah, gentoo has weekly rankings for who closed the most bugs11:03
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fabbionebob2: daniels and i would always be at the bottom of that list11:06
mjg59ROCK11:06
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fabbionehey lamont11:08
bob2fabbione: it'd need to be number_of_bugs * difficulty_per_bug * everyone_uses_X_coefficient11:08
pittiHi lamont! Did you get my mail about the failed squid upload? I'm not sure whether I chose the right email address11:11
fabbioneyou should also consider code_complexity11:11
fabbionethat would kinda allign the situation11:11
bob2ah11:11
sivangHi pitti11:11
fabbionecalculating code complexity is not extremely difficult11:12
fabbioneand it helps determining dead code too :-)11:12
fabbionebut you need proper tools to do so11:12
sjoerdmorning11:13
sjoerdpitti: i get a 404 on your tla archive...11:13
fabbionejeeee11:14
fabbioneit's like 5 hours that i can't rsync ubuntu archive11:14
bob2fabbione: wouldn't it be easier to just pass it all through squid?11:15
fabbionebah better i go and do house work11:15
bob2pitti: someone was complaining earlier about hfs+ automounting not working either, could that be related to the ntfs problem?11:15
fabbionebob2: and what would be the benefit?11:15
fabbionethe rsync connections are still limited in numbers11:15
bob2fabbione: not waiting 5 hours for a rsync slot :-)11:15
fabbionebob2: what is the benefit of caching on hd what is already on hd...11:16
fabbionethe archive is too big to be cached in ram11:16
fabbioneso there is no point in doing it11:16
bob2fabbione: oh, you have an existing archive you want to sync?11:16
fabbioneyeps11:16
bob2ahhh11:16
fabbioneanyway11:17
fabbionelater11:17
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mjg59Arse.11:31
pittibob2: I think it's fixed now, too11:43
bob2pitti: ah, rock11:45
pittisjoerd: I'll look at it later, gotta go now. CU11:46
fabbione:217: The file just loaded does not appear to be executable.11:49
fabbioneHMMM11:49
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mjg59The craptop does swsusp11:50
mjg59Oh, wow11:52
bob2hah, good work11:52
mjg59Suspend the craptop, resume it, and my ssh session is still alive11:52
mjg59Now I just need to shift these patches back into the kernel source and produce debs for people11:52
bob2is this a generic or just for that single laptop?11:53
mjg59Generic11:55
bob2erm, the word fix was missing from that11:56
mjg59Well, it's mostly just been getting swsusp working with an initrd11:56
bob2will those fixes work with pmdisk, too?11:56
mjg59They were merged in 2.6.911:58
mjg59pmdisk and swsusp, that is11:58
bob2hrm, I think it still needs a patch on ppc11:58
mjg59Oh, yeah11:59
mjg59PPC isn't sane yet11:59
bob2ah11:59
bob2are the swsusp/initrd fixes arch-dependant?11:59
mjg59Nah11:59
mjg59It's really just to let swsusp be triggered after the initrd has loaded stuff12:00
bob2ah, cool12:00
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fabbioneyeppa12:21
fabbionethe sparc is booting :-)12:21
mjg59Wow12:23
mjg59The kernel really blows up if you try to run __init code after it's been discarded12:23
fabbionethat's not surprising12:24
mjg59Hurrah. That's a less invasive patch, and still works.12:26
mjg59Right. Packages.12:26
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danielsguh12:40
fabbionedaniels: did you find breakfast/lunch?12:45
danielsfabbione: yeah, found some lunch12:47
danielshad to fight a whole bunch of atms12:47
danielsnone of them like my card12:47
danielsso should I head over to Islev, or what?12:49
danielsif you still have stuff to do, I still have things I can do here :)12:49
mjg59Anyone fancy testing some sweet laptop love shortly?12:50
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danielswhat sort of love?12:51
bob2is it fascist x86-only love?12:51
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herzibob2, :)12:51
danielsbob2: the x40 is love12:51
danielsherzi: by the way, there's no way I'm merging that CRTC2 patch12:51
danielsherzi: it just randomly stomps all over the CRTC2 offset, with unpredictable results12:52
mjg59bob2: It is at the moment, I'm afraid12:52
bob2mjg59: hrm, have you been working on 2.6.9 ubuntu mega special edition kernels?12:52
mjg59bob2: 2.6.10-rc1, but yeah12:52
fabbionedaniels: i need to finish to wash some stuff and crash for another hour12:52
danielsherzi: the best way to do it is to ensure it gets set properly in the first place (i.e. RADEONInitCRTC2Registers, or whatever they've called that function) rather than killing it at restore12:52
fabbionedaniels: then we can go shopping12:52
danielsfabbione: sure12:52
danielsfabbione: swoeet12:53
herzidaniels, well, on my machine (an on others of the same type) it works pretty well12:53
bob2mjg59: hm, is it worth giving your sources (+ the pmdisk ppc fixup patch) a sping?12:53
danielsmjg59: are you doing swsusp too?12:53
fabbionedaniels: let's say around 3 and half past 3?12:53
danielsfabbione: sounds good to me12:53
fabbionedaniels: ok12:53
bob2mjg59: apparently the only issue with it on ppc is that it needs monolithic ide12:53
fabbionedaniels: shops are pretty close to here so it's no biggie12:53
fabbionedaniels: also because they close at 512:53
danielsherzi: i'm willing to bet it breaks tv/vga out on many other machines12:53
danielsfabbione: ah cool12:53
mjg59bob2: Yeah, once I've built the 386 deb I'll build sources12:53
bob2mjg59: cool, thanks12:54
mjg59daniels: swsusp is now love12:54
fabbioneok i am off...12:54
fabbionedaniels: later12:54
herzidaniels, okay12:55
danielsmjg59: phat12:56
danielsfabbione: seeya dude12:56
mjg59It'll be 20 minutes or so until it's finished building12:57
herzidaniels, once there are deb-sources for x.org packages i will start to take a look at it (if it's not too heavy for me)12:57
mjg59Then I'll just give it a test-run here12:57
danielsherzi: i suspect we need some *proper* documentation from ati12:57
danielsherzi: you have a radeon 9600 mobility, no?12:58
herziyes12:58
herzii was talking to benh about this and he's got some docs from ati (though no full specs)12:58
danielsyeah, I don't have the full specs either12:59
danielsand the only people with full specs are unlikely to do DVI/PowerPC properly, sadly01:00
sjoerd:|01:01
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jdubmorning herzi 01:11
thomdaniels: rock01:14
jdubwhere's keybuk? i wanna give him a big sloppy qmail kiss01:14
danielsthom: indeed01:16
danielsjesus, that's seven firetrucks and two cop cars that have just gone past01:16
bob2hah01:17
bob2we only had 6 and 1 at my house01:17
thomdaniels: don't wave at them, they'll find you easier that way!01:19
danielsthom: heh01:19
danielsthom: good plan01:19
herzihi jdub 01:22
mjg59daniels: Xorg's via driver doesn't crash the craptop. It just gives a black screen instead.01:38
jdubPROGRESS!01:38
mjg59Kernel's being uploaded now01:42
mjg59http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/laptops02:03
mjg59Needs the initrd deb to be installed first02:03
jdubdoesn't happen to have the "attach dsdt to initrd" patch, does it?02:04
jdubhrm, do i need a swsusp package of sorts?02:06
mjg59Nope and nope02:06
jdubdum de dum02:08
jdubrebooting :)02:08
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jdubahr02:13
jdubso, how do i punish this thing? :)02:13
mjg59jdub: echo -n 4 >/proc/acpi/sleep02:14
jdubso my cpu applet is complete bong now ;)02:14
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mjg592.6.10 ought to have an i830 framebuffer again02:17
mjg59Hmm. jdub appears to be failing to reappear02:18
jdubso i suppose i'm meant to do something intelligent at bootup, right?02:18
mjg59Nope02:18
mjg59Oh, yes02:19
mjg59Gar, sorry02:19
jdubresume=...?02:19
mjg59resume=/dev/yourswappartition02:19
jdubahar02:19
mjg59If you did a suspend and then didn't resume from it, you'll need to mkswap your swap partition again02:19
mjg59And then swapon -a before attempting to suspend again02:19
mjg59Whatever you do, never resume from a suspend image if you've mounted a filesystem in between02:20
jdubyeah02:20
jdubokay02:20
jdubi'll try again02:20
mjg59Rock02:20
mojo_hey ppl02:23
mojo_I just got updated the yelp02:24
mojo_and now 2 icons for "Help" appears same time at Main Menu02:24
mojo_and no such entries for any link in yelp02:24
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Mitariomornin'02:26
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thommjg59: it suspended and came straight back for me02:29
maswanMithrandir: ACK02:30
thomah, mysql02:31
mjg59thom: In what way?02:31
thommjg59: "Strange, mysqld not stopped"02:32
mjg59Ah, right02:32
mjg59Yeah, mysqld seems to be a problem02:33
thomworks now, lets see if it resumes02:33
thomROCK02:34
thomso MUCH ROCK02:34
thom(it works)02:34
mjg59Rocking02:35
mjg59Though jdub seems to be having issues...02:35
jdubi should probably get acpi going properly on this machine before bothering with stuff like this :-)02:38
mjg59swsusp should work entirely independently of acpi02:38
mjg59What sort of behaviour are you getting?02:38
mojo_jdub: does new GNOME 2.9.1 Nautilus support SVG viewer? or GNOME eye or Gthumb support02:38
jdubmojo_: they have all supported svg02:39
jdubmjg59: it didn't power off correctly02:43
jdubmjg59: then it booted fairly normally02:43
mjg59And you passed resume=/dev/foo ?02:43
jdubyeah02:43
mjg59Hmm. Interesting.02:44
mjg59What does dmesg say?02:44
jdubno idea02:44
jdubended up rebooting into my normal kernel02:44
mjg59Hmm02:44
mjg59If you could grab the dmesg output for a failed resume, that would be good02:45
mjg59No urgency, though02:45
jdubmmm02:45
jdubkinda want to fix my dsdt blues02:45
thommjg59: any plans to do a full build with all the drivers and stuff?02:45
mjg59thom: Dude, that should be a full build02:47
bob2what's happening with 2.6.9 packages, btw?02:48
mjg59What's missing?02:48
thomoh, hrm. could be a driver issue, i don't have ipw2100 love02:48
mjg59Oh, argh. Hang on, yes, there's a broken firmware loader in that version.02:49
thomahr02:49
thomoof, kernel oopsed in ipw2100_pci_init_one02:50
mjg59Hmm. No, the firmware loader should be ok there.02:50
mjg59thom: Eep02:50
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mjg59thom: What's the backtrace?02:51
bob2hrm, I get "badness in device_Release..." during the install02:52
mojo_I love to see Grub2 in Hoary02:52
mjg59mojo_: At the point where it's stable, it'll probably be considered02:53
jdubmjg59: hrm, you heard what's up with the SD stuff?02:54
thommjg59: one sec, just gonna reboot so i have networking :-)02:54
mjg59jdub: Nope02:55
mjg59thom: Thanks02:55
thommjg59: www.clearairturbulence.org/ipw2100-oops03:00
jdubok03:00
jdubthat's it03:00
jdubi'm rebuilding my kernel03:01
jdub*cry*03:01
mjg59thom: Can you try with http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/laptops/ipw2100.ko03:18
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thoms03:21
thomArgh, fs check03:22
mjg59Haha03:22
thomfirmware load failed with that one03:26
thomoh, of course it will03:26
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thommjg59: Firmware ipw2100-1.2.fw not available or load failed03:29
mjg59But no oops?03:29
mjg59What version of the firmware do you have?03:29
thom1.203:31
mjg59Hrm.03:31
thomwell, 1.2.fw-2.6.10-rc1-1-38603:31
mjg59It's the driver from the hoary kernel, so it /ought/ to work...03:32
thombut that's an ubuntu patch to the firmware loading stuff, isn't it? should affect individual modules03:32
thomyeah03:32
mjg59Can you check whether hotplug seems to load it?03:32
thomseems not03:35
mjg59But it opens the file?03:36
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bob2hrm, booting manually in grub sucks03:37
bob2and now it can't pivot_root properly03:37
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thommjg59: atime hasn't changed, so i think not03:41
mjg59Weird. I'll give it a go here later on.03:43
danielsmjg59: cool03:44
danielsmjg59: sounds phat03:44
danielsmjg59: remind me never to buy a via laptop03:46
jdubpain makes you stronger03:51
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bob2yay, boot harder, ubuntu04:07
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ddaaHa... good.04:51
ddaahttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops04:51
ddaaThe T42 instructions works well on my T42p in console.04:51
ddaahu... but that cause the cpufreq applet to go mad...04:53
danielsyou missed your opportunity to join the x40 cabal05:05
ddaadaniels: I want more pixels.05:06
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ddaaUGA and X40 is pretty much a contradiction in terms.05:07
danielsjdub: yeah, and hanging car batteries from your nipples makes them stronger, too05:07
danielsjdub: doesn't mean it's a good idea05:07
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danielsthom: ?05:14
danielshttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3324&page=1&pp=1005:17
danielshas anyone used GnomeBaker?05:17
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danielsthom: and I can't remember what I pinged you about.  arse.05:32
ddaayay!05:33
ddaaWell... I must admit that the ubuntulinux wiki contents rocx05:33
ddaaSteps for t42, just totally do the right thing.05:34
ddaaThe problem is that they are pretty cryptic...05:34
ddaaHaving some docs on the acceptable markup on that wiki would be useful.05:34
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=== ddaa goes out and try to find how the hell the ibm-acpi module is supposed to get compiled
dooteohi folks05:35
dooteoI've go Advansys SCSI card with 2 CD drivers, but it looks like ubuntu can't find them (scsi card appears on hardware list)05:36
dooteowhat can I do to see them?05:37
bob2the problem with "device manager" is that noe everyone uses it05:37
danielsddaa: um, you shouldn't need ibm-acpi05:37
danielsddaa: doubly so if you're running hoary05:37
danielsddaa: all merged in05:37
dooteobob2: well, but Nautilus is not able too05:38
ddaaMh... it's mentioned on the wiki. I'm not too sure what it is about, probably enabling the suspend key...05:38
danielsworks out of the box with my x4005:38
danielsas I said, it's all merged in :)05:38
ddaaDoes not work on t42.05:39
ddaamhh... maybe I should put tpb away05:39
bob2dooteo: this sounds like a #ubuntu sort of question...05:39
bob2yay rhythmbox, ignore all my oggs05:40
dooteobob2: okey here I go. Thanks05:40
lamontpitti: lost about 11 hours of connectivity due to a cable cut...05:40
lamontfinally awake noew..05:41
ddaadaniels: I'll try adding that module, just to be sure if it makes any difference.05:42
fabbionehey lamont05:44
ddaaduh... that beast expands a linux.tar.bz2 in a totally ridiculous amount of time...05:44
lamontmorning fabbione05:50
bob2bloody scrollkeeper05:51
fabbionelamont: Unpacking libc6 (from .../libc6_2.3.2.ds1-18_sparc.deb) ...05:51
lamontfabbione: kewl!05:52
bob2fabbione: you're bootstrapping sparc?05:52
fabbionelamont: i installed wb and sbuild from db.d.o, or do you suggest another version?05:52
fabbionebob2: yes05:52
fabbionebut not this night...05:53
bob2heh05:53
fabbionei am only preparing the sid chroot to start with05:53
bob2awesome05:53
fabbionewe are heading out to eat and get possibly drunk05:53
fabbionebob2: problem is d-i. i only have one sparc05:53
bob2fabbione: ahh05:54
fabbioneso someone else will have to kick it05:54
danielshelix volunteers05:57
fabbioneehhe05:57
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pascfabbione: keep him away from khebab shops06:01
fabbionepasc: why?06:01
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danielspasc: nah man, it's not five-star, I couldn't bring myself to go06:02
danielspasc: i'd take you to Souvlaki King in Melbourne if you didn't keep piking06:02
danielsyou should come get one of the best burgers in the world06:03
danielsit's like half a cow06:03
pascI think I'll settle for the best seafood in the universe06:04
pasc;-)06:04
pascbut I will come to melbourne one day06:04
bob2it's not too bad06:05
bob2it's like a pretty good sydney knock-off06:05
lamontpitti: sigh.  fixed06:09
lamontfabbione: at this very moment, nothing to suggest.06:09
lamontI hope to have a repository on the lan sometime soon that has the versions being used on the buildd's, but it's not significantly different06:10
lamont(gcc-opt support, package grabbing selection, and per-component sources.lists are all...)06:11
lamontif you start by just building main, then you don't care about per-component...06:11
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fabbionelamont: the only thing i would like to have at phase2 start is a minikatie running on rookery06:16
fabbioneso that we can evaluate community interest in a certain port06:16
fabbioneand see if it is worth to ask Mark for real buildd06:17
danielspasc: i'll have to give that to sydney, yes -- the seafood is phat06:18
danielspasc: but our jsbh is better, mio06:18
danielser, imo06:18
bob2daniels: does it have a debsig?06:19
danielsyes06:19
danielsgah06:20
danielsximian-connector build-deps broken06:20
danielscan someone please kick seb when he gets in and tell him to add something providing -ldl to x-c's b-d's?06:21
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daniels../../gnome/vfsmodule.c:406: error: redefinition of `pygvfs_set_file_info'06:23
daniels../../gnome/vfsmodule.c:372: error: `pygvfs_set_file_info' previously defined here06:23
daniels../../gnome/vfsmodule.c:372: warning: `pygvfs_set_file_info' defined but not used06:23
danielsmake[3] : *** [vfs_la-vfsmodule.lo]  Error 106:24
danielsmake[3] : Leaving directory `/build/daniels/python-gnome2-2.6.0/build-2.3/gnome'06:24
danielspython-gnome2 broken also06:24
azeemdaniels: -ldl? isn't that in libc6-dev?06:24
danielser, sorry, -ldb06:24
azeemah, that one again06:28
danielsawesome06:29
danielsthe xorg buildd is now lying idle for want of anything to do06:29
danielsa couple of broken packages but afaict nothing has broken while building against xorg06:29
danielsnow it's really food and beer time (julebyrg!)06:30
sjoerddaniels: have fun 06:30
mjg59thom: Ping?06:38
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mjg59thom: How were you testing that ipw2100 module?06:41
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ddaadaniels: I am getting the general impression that _maybe_ the hotkeys are already supported, but what is missing is proper acpi scripts.07:01
=== ddaa finds this annoyingly complex
mjg59ddaa: What are you trying to do?07:02
ddaaGetting a T42 to work fully.07:02
mjg59ddaa: you want the ibm-acpi driver if you want to be able to use all the hotkeys07:02
mjg59Most of them aren't exposed, otherwise07:03
ddaayeah... daniels said it worked out of the box on the X40...07:03
mjg59The suspend key should work fine without ibm-acpi07:03
mjg59That's the Fn+F4 one07:03
ddaamjg59: but even if I manage to build the module (not sure how) I will still have to write acpi scripts, right?07:04
mjg59ddaa: Yes07:04
ddaaI got suspend/resume to work on lid events, thanks to some hints by mdz, but I am generally quite at loss with acpi.07:04
ddaaBTW, is that stuff actually documented somewhere?07:05
mjg59The acpi code sends stuff to /proc/acpi/events which acpid picks up07:05
mjg59acpid then uses the contents of /etc/acpi/events to choose what to do in response to them07:05
mjg59Generally this is to run a script in /etc/acpi07:05
ddaaNow, what are the events, what do they mean, and what are the appropriate actions is knowledge I miss.07:07
ddaaMy understanding of hardware is pretty much limited to "what runs software" :-)07:07
mjg59Heh07:08
mjg59The normal things that generate events are the suspend key, the power button, the lid switch and plugging/unplugging the AC adapter07:08
mjg59Those all generate standard events, so it's fairly easy to configure them07:09
mjg59But ibm-acpi enables all the other hotkeys (Fn+f3, f5, f7, f9, f12) and lets you configure events for those as well07:09
ddaaOkay. Now where can I find acpi config stuff for those that makes sense?07:11
ddaaI s'pose the stuff in ibm-acpi07:11
mjg59daniels's acpi-support-x40 (or whatever it's called) should have some07:11
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ddaaAnyway, by looking at the wiki for t42p, I am quite amazed at the amount of unecessary stuff people advocate...07:20
ddaaLike using fglrx...07:21
sjoerdls07:27
sjoerdbeh07:27
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ddaamjg59: thanks. daniels' stuff seems to plain just work here...07:43
ddaaNow, I just need to get the ibm-acpi thing built...07:44
mdzmorning08:04
ddaamdz: hello08:09
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ddaaWhat's the proper way to set the permissions for /dev/nvram, so it's writable by a non-root group, and in a persistent manner?08:10
mjg59Put something in /etc/udev/permissions.d08:11
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mdzddaa: hi08:13
mdzKamion: around?08:13
ddaaokay... the udev config says "root:nvram" for this dev, but the nvram group does not exist...08:16
ddaaBug.08:16
ddaaWhat's the proper gid for nvram?08:17
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ddaamdz: what's the proper package to report that bug against?08:20
ddaaBah... assigned it to udev...08:24
mdzddaa: udev08:26
ddaadone08:27
mdzit's not clear whether we should have an nvram group, or change it to something else, though08:27
ddaaI pointed that out in the bug report :-)08:27
ddaaWell... supposedly that should be useful only for people who operate the machine...08:28
ddaalocal users, I mean.08:28
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ddaaOnly showstopper left, the video-switch button cause the t42 to hang with a black screen. Using fglrx or ibm-acpi does not fix that.08:30
ddaa(I have not tested all the possible combination of modules and kernel options though)08:31
mjg59Ok - again, if people could test http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/laptops/ that would be good08:37
mjg59Needs the initrd package first, and you need to pass resume=/dev/whatever to the grub options08:38
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ddaaWhat is it for?08:43
mjg59Power management testing08:43
mjg59It's got suspend to disk support08:43
=== ddaa is willing to test
ddaawhat should the resume option point to?08:44
mjg59Your swap partition08:46
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zopiHi sorry to bother you10:25
zopibut I have a strange behaviour with Ubuntu 10:25
zopiI have to tried to install Ubuntu on 1.4 Ghz 256 Mo and the installation is very slow10:26
zopidisplay is slow 10:26
zopivery strange behaviour10:26
zopiusing Matrox G40010:26
zopisame behaviour for the boot10:27
zopiand I don't understand10:27
zopiany idea ?10:27
zopiI have used reiserfs for the /10:35
zopiany bugreport for slow behaviour ?10:35
zopiusing Warthy 4.1010:38
ddaahere, with a g450, I got accelerated video out of the box10:41
ddaaYou find it slow in comparison to what?10:42
ddaaMhh... btw, that is a #ubuntu discussion10:42
ddaa--> #ubuntu10:43
zopiI know10:43
zopibut no answer10:43
zopithat why I ask here10:43
zopisorrry for the inconvenient10:43
zopiI have tested with memtest memory has no problem10:44
zopiI was running Debian Sid and wanted to test Ubuntu :)10:44
ddaamjg59: tried your kernel10:56
sivangzopi : is this a laptop?10:56
ddaaon the plus side, swsusp works, and the video-switch key seems to work okay (It does not cause a hang at least, I have not tested with an actual external monitor). However, even if the network modules (ipw2200) 11:03
ddaa... and e1000) are loaded I do not have any /dev/eth* device.11:03
jdubyay!11:05
=== jdub now has the dsdt hack in his kernel
ddaajdub: what does it do?11:06
jdubddaa: it makes my dell acpi work ;)11:06
jdubie. the battery display, etc. ;)11:07
=== ddaa waves into the general direction of ibm.com :-P
ddaamjg59: also, with your kernel, the cpu frequency applet behaves just as badly as when I booted with "apm=on acpi=off nolapic", but the contents of /proc suggest it's using acpi and not apm.11:11
jdubddaa: i got the same thing with mjg59's kernel11:13
ddaa134GHz... schweet, software acceleration!11:15
lifelessddaa: welcome to the club11:15
ddaabut -1218013MHz... scary... time travel?11:16
lifelessjdub: where dost thou get dsdt luv ?11:16
ddaalifeless: well, the important stuff just works using daniels acpi stuff.11:16
ddaaAnd a stock warty kernel.11:17
lifelesswhat apt repository should I point at for that ?11:17
jdubyou can't11:17
lifeless:[11:17
jdubyou have to get a compiled dsdt appropriate for your bios/hardware11:17
jduband build it into your kernel11:17
lifelessjdub: ah, I was hoping it had improved.11:18
lifelessI need someone to decompile & fix my dsdt, don't have time to learn that right now.11:18
jdubthere's a patch that lets you attach it to the initrd11:18
jdubgrep voltage /proc/acpi/battery/BAT*/state11:25
jdub^ paste please :)11:25
jdubgrep -h voltage /proc/acpi/battery/BAT*/state11:25
lifelessgrep voltage /proc/acpi/battery/BAT*/state11:32
lifeless/proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state:present voltage:         14800 mV11:32
lifeless/proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state:present voltage:         14800 mV11:32
ddaaWoah. With mjg59's kernel, the external video _actually_ works. It's not pretty by any means, but it does work...11:34
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lifelessjdub: battery seems to work just fine, its sleep that has trouble... can get it to go to mem suspend with a little effort, but it won't come back :[.11:38
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