diviy1guess  what it dint work12:00
Calvineeeekkkk .. ppl .. is there any place ubuntu saves XF86Config files .. except for /etc/X11 ? i edited the X11/ file but no changes12:00
Espectroi would advice to mail the usb mass storage developer and try to make him get it to work12:01
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ShadowHawkUbuntu still seems to think I have PCMCIA stuff.  How do I remove all PCMCIA related junk?12:01
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stuNNedhi all12:01
stuNNedanyone get linuxant hsf modem drivers to work with ubuntu?12:01
ShadowHawkdiviy1: Have you gotten that card working on that laptop before?12:02
eckstejsEspectro: Thanx. Will collect some more information (with which kernel it worked and not and so on). Will be a long night ;). Thanx and CU12:02
arc_alfa2004: speak english please12:02
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Espectrooblig simpsons: "screaming is understood in all languages"12:03
diviy1had  window  b4  no  prob linux   wont  connect  at all12:03
ShadowHawkdiviy1: Could Ubuntu find the card and add it after you removed it, it just couldn't activate it?12:03
homeasyah - third java deb, some symlinking, and finally a working java plugin !12:04
ShadowHawkErr let me rephrase that: Could Ubuntu add the card after you removed it?  Could it activate it?12:04
diviy1 it just couldn't activate it12:04
Calvinanyone knows the XFree86 module / device driver for S3 Prosavage card ? i have tried all the Savage / s3virge options .. no luck !12:04
Espectrojava debs? i just would download java from the page and made the symlink...12:05
ShadowHawkYou have just the  one network card, right?12:05
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ShadowHawkCan you open up a terminal and message me the output of sudo lspci and sudo ifconfig please?12:07
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homeasEspectro, now you tell me :) why not before ?12:09
Espectrobecause most debian users think if they can't find a deb package then software will not work12:09
homeasEspectro, ok, so why tell me now then after I installed something ?12:09
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Espectromaybe because i wasn't here or noticed when you asked?12:10
Calvinanyone knows the XFree86 module / device driver for S3 Prosavage card ? i have tried all the Savage / s3virge options .. no luck !12:10
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nixmananyone knows how to turn on tree iews in nautilus ?12:15
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MFenwhat package do you (anyone) recommend for viewing video clips in firefox?12:15
MFeni tried the vlc plugin and i just get (no picture) on video objects12:15
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MFeni couldn't find that package12:15
MFeni'm actually trying to compile it manually rn12:16
MFenis there a deb?12:16
Espectronot everything is a package12:16
Espectroi dont know12:16
Espectrothat doesn't stop me12:16
nevynisn't it on marilat?12:16
Espectropeople dont google this days12:16
ograMFen: sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer12:17
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ograMFen: its in multiverse12:17
MFenis that like "restricted" for "universe"?12:18
SmokingFireMFen: just copy the lines of the universe rep and change universe in multiverse12:18
MFenthanks, i'm already doing that :)12:19
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Calvini got the Savage prob fixed .. just 1 Question , after i edited /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ... when i tried to start gdm up .. it failed .. but  when i rebooted it loads XF86 fine .. y didn't GDM start with a manual /etc/init.d/gdm start ???12:19
eckstejsHi! - with kernel 2.6.8-k7, the USB-Stick still doesn't work :) - but after backgrounding hat job --> how to use a Hauppauge WinTV with Ubuntu? :)12:20
MFenbtw, i was freaking shocked by how easy it was to get glx with my nvidia card on ubuntu12:20
epodI feel all lonely with no spyware to keep me company on my Ubuntu system12:20
MFenthanks for that :)12:20
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epodMFen, ATI fglrx was incredibly easy too, I've never had anything less than a *major* hassle getting it installed on any other distro12:21
SmokingFireany one out there?12:21
eckstejsSmokingFire: Yes :)12:21
SmokingFireI was responding to Agabus12:21
Mojo_JojoHi, everytime I play a movie in gxine it closes when I play it in full screen :(12:21
Agabuslol hello12:21
SmokingFiredon't play movies12:21
Agabuscould anyone tell me whether i'd be able to fit Ubutuntu onto a 4 gig hard drive?12:22
ograMojo_Jojo: why dont you take totem-xine ?12:22
[Siff] smokingfire: that was terribly helpful12:22
SmokingFireyou should be learning to program not waste you time on vile hollywood entertainment.12:22
orospakrAgabus, yes, it will fit.12:22
BigNastyKid909does anyone know what the command to copy ALL files??12:22
Mojo_Jojoogra, totem-xine....newbie :D12:23
epodcp * :)12:23
nevynepod: that doesn't copy .files12:23
Agabusorospakr: the full install??12:23
SmokingFire[Siff] : I'm always helpful. I mean not doing it solved the problem doesn't it?12:23
orospakrAgabus, you'll have about a gig at least free after, for sure.12:23
mirakubuntu is cruelly missing a adsl pppoe installer in the installer12:23
epodnevyn, I can't be blamed for that.12:23
ograMojo_Jojo: does the same as gxine, but fits much better in the desktop ;)12:23
eckstejsBigNastyKid909: cp -a . /dev/null12:23
Mojo_Jojoogra, what do you mean :/12:23
BigNastyKid909eckstejs: so -a is to select all then?12:24
orospakrAgabus, there is only one setting. :) until you start apt-getting more stuff, that is...12:24
ograMojo_Jojo: totem-xine12:24
Agabusorospakr: great, thanks alot man12:24
yswhat's a website where i can download good themes?12:24
SmokingFireMojo_Jojo: From what I understand totom-xine and gxine is just a matter of skins.12:24
MFenok, cool, got mozilla-mplayer, but it seems to hang12:24
eckstejsBigNastyKid909: no - it's an abbrev for IMHO -dPr  - wich means: recursive, preserve permissions and something else, which I forgot.12:24
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cyrus-tcif you use a ati card with fglrx binary driver (universe) then you have to adjust the "nice_fog" value to false in tuxracer options file.. ;)12:24
ograBigNastyKid909: dont do that !!! (/dev/null is the trash target)12:24
Mojo_Jojook...if it just changes the skin what does that have to do with my problem??? or am I missing someting ehre?12:25
SmokingFireys: gnome-look.org or kde-look.org12:25
MFenwould anyone like to take a shot at viewing one of the videos from the daily show site and tell me if it hangs for you too? someone who knows their mplayer plugin is working :-)12:25
BigNastyKid909ogra: i just need to copy all files in one directory into another directory12:25
SmokingFireMojo_Jojo: whats your problem?12:25
eckstejsBigNastyKid909: But if you don't want to descent in subdirectories, it's getting difficult, because "cp . .* /dev/null" also copies directories12:25
Mojo_Jojowell eveytime I play a movie in gxine in full screen it closes right away :(12:25
ograBigNastyKid909: cp -a /source/dir /target/dir12:25
eckstejsogra: /dev/null was just an example. I didn't say "mv /tmp/ /dev/null" or sth. like that ;)12:25
BigNastyKid909ogra: ok imma try it real quick12:26
SmokingFireMojo_Jojo: what format are you trying to play?12:26
ograeckstejs: sorry, youre right.... was cp :)12:26
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SmokingFireMojo_Jojo: As I understand avi is just a container. It works when playing in non full screen?12:28
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Mojo_Jojoodd it now works now that totem-xine is installed12:28
Mojo_Jojothank you SmokingFire and ogra for your help :D12:28
SmokingFireMojo_Jojo: I don't know I haven't uncountred this problem myself. Maybe switching to full screen switches to another video mode that your driver/card has problems with.12:28
Mojo_Jojo*cires* the video is in french...12:28
Mojo_Jojowhat would video card have to do with it??12:28
SmokingFireMojo_Jojo: you donwloaded the vid?12:29
mirakImust use hoary to install amarok ?12:29
Mojo_Jojoyeah, it's street figher...i've never seen it in any store here and I can't buy oneline(no cc)12:29
BigNastyKid909ogra: it copies the directory12:29
SmokingFiremaybe full screen vid playing uses other techniques to display on monitor.12:29
Mojo_Jojoohh ok12:29
ograBigNastyKid909: cp -a /source/dir/* /target/dir12:29
BigNastyKid909ogra: i need to copy all files in one directory, into another12:29
BigNastyKid909ogra: ok imma try it again12:30
Mojo_Jojocan, totem play dvds??? i've been thinking of buying  dvd rom12:30
mirakwhat must I do to have amarok ?12:30
ograMojo_Jojo: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats12:30
SmokingFireMojo_Jojo: mine can but I needed libcss (or something called like that(12:30
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BigNastyKid909ogra: thanks it worked12:31
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Mojo_Jojook, is libcss hard to install??12:31
jdz`_Hello - Ubuntu install freezes while installing `libsgm1' -- Is there any way I can install Ubuntu without installing libsgm, simply to get a working system?12:31
ograBigNastyKid909: sorry for the wrong first hint :)12:32
BigNastyKid909ogra: its ok thanks for helping12:32
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ograMojo_Jojo: see the url i posted12:32
Mojo_Jojoi'm waiting for it to load12:32
SmokingFireMojo_Jojo: can be done from apt-get synaptic but you will need the correct reps12:33
stuNNedis there a way to download kernel source for running kernel? (latest in wary)12:33
xenonitehi, how can i burn an audio cd with ubuntu?12:33
stuNNedsorry wary/warty12:33
Mojo_JojoSmokingFire, reps??12:33
ograstuNNed: look for linux-source in synaptic12:33
epodI am having issues with mplayer-plugin12:33
SmokingFirexenonite: why do you want to share your downloaded music with friends?12:33
epodit gets to 25% loading a movie and freezes12:33
Mojo_Jojowow that site loads slowly12:33
SmokingFireMojo_Jojo: reposistories.12:34
xenoniteSmokingFire: what_12:34
stuNNedogra: and there is 'linux-source' that matches exactly latest warty kernel?12:34
Mojo_JojoSmokingFire, ahh ok what do you have??12:34
SmokingFirelet me see12:34
mirakdoes somebody uses hoary here ?12:34
ograstuNNed: run uname -a in a terminal12:34
ograstuNNed: then look for the matching source package12:34
SmokingFireMojo_Jojo: you will need this: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main12:35
ograMojo_Jojo: they are on the wiki page....12:35
xenoniteserious, how can i write audiocds_12:35
SmokingFireMojo_Jojo: "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main "12:35
stuNNedogra: ok thanks will do, is it possible it will show up in synaptic and not show up in `apt-cache search linux-source` ?12:35
ograSmokingFire: mplayer is in multiverse, no need for marillat12:35
mirakxenonite: use k3b12:35
SmokingFireogra: he is looking for dvd playback12:35
ograstuNNed: nope12:35
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chibifsHmmm.. This is turning out to be a pain. :P12:36
Mojo_Jojothis sucks I don't have mplayer...oh well there are skins for totem right?12:36
Mojo_Jojoogra, thanks for that link :D12:37
xenonitethanks mirak i'll try12:37
SmokingFireMojo_Jojo: add that line I mentioned then do a reload and then search for libdvdcss12:37
ograSmokingFire: its in multiverse....12:37
chibifsDamn woody floppies, not letting me mount a cdrom drive that I hotdwapped. :/12:37
SmokingFireogra: didn't know12:38
Mojo_JojoSmokingFire, what line?12:38
SmokingFireMojo_Jojo: "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main "12:38
SmokingFirebut forget that12:38
SmokingFireyou need to add the multiverse rep to your sources.list12:38
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mirakanyone using amarok here ?12:38
Mojo_Jojothanks SmokingFire, I think i'll buy that player today :D12:39
Tzalidarxrandr keeps bugging me12:39
Tzalidari want 100hz all the time12:39
Tzalidarbut the only way i can get 100 hz12:39
Tzalidaris by running fglrxconfig12:39
Tzalidarand using the generated config file12:39
chibifsHmmmm... Must... obtain.... boot from cd method...;_;12:40
Mojo_Jojooh another question, when I first instaleld amsn it worked fine then I removed it and installed the new version from the amsn site. but it only ran once and now it wont open again :( with no error messages12:41
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Tsjoklatarvo all12:41
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yswhat version of gnome does ubuntu come w/?12:41
trickieys: 2.812:42
Tsjoklatdoes anyone else have problems with the trash applet?12:42
seb128Tsjoklat: in hoary ? yes, gtk+ bug12:42
Tsjoklatseb what do you mean?12:42
Tsjoklatyou got problems too? is it a bug?12:42
seb128that's a gtk+ bug12:43
ysi'm having trouble installing this theme12:43
Tsjoklatseb128, is it being adressed?12:43
ysi got it from gnome-look it says it's for 2.x12:43
yswhy doesn't the .theme file install?12:43
Tsjoklatwhen I did a dist-upgrade it removed the trash applet12:43
Tsjoklatwhen I want to reinstall it it has to remove gnome-applets plus ubuntu-desktop12:44
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mirakTsjoklat: you dist-upgraded to what ?12:44
fissyhi is there a package for gnome-sharp?12:44
seb128Tsjoklat: will be fixed in the next version12:44
seb128Tsjoklat: trashapplet is in gnome-applets since 2.912:45
seb128that's why it removes the trashapplet package12:45
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Tsjoklatnext version of what? ubu???12:45
Tsjoklatdon't tell me I have to wait till grumpy12:45
mirakseb128: can I use hoary ?12:45
Tzalidarhow did i select my default alsa soundcard12:46
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Tzalidari have reinstalled my computer (messing around with different distros)12:46
Tzalidarand i remember one guy telling me a easy way of doing it12:46
Tsjoklatwhen I delete a file it shows up in the trash applet but I am unable to drag files into like it use to12:46
seb128mirak: why not ? you can play with devel stuff if you want, but be carreful, that's a devel branch12:47
mirakseb128: is it equivalent to unstable ?12:47
mirakseb128: I mean I want amarok, it's in pool, but it's not in warty12:47
seb128you want universe12:48
seb128not hoary12:48
seb128probably ?12:48
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Tsjoklatseb what new version of what?12:48
mirakseb128: I added universe but apt-cache search amarok gives no results12:48
seb128ok, so it was not in the archive when warty frooze perhaps12:49
yscan someone help me install the theme d3a?12:49
trickieanyone know of a packaged version of the mono libs for ubuntu?12:49
seb128Tsjoklat: what do you want exactly ?12:49
diemanhah, haven't seen the new gdm screen12:49
mirakseb128: I will try hoary, if I am not satisfied I will go back debian12:49
diemanlooks lince12:50
diemani've been replacing it automatically since porno desktop12:50
TsjoklatI want to be able to drag files into the trash applet again12:50
diemannice, rather12:50
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Matt|just about to make the jump to hoary. is there anything i should know (except reconfiguring the locales after)?12:50
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[ZACK] hi guys, i would like to know how to set rhythmbox as my defualt audio player12:52
seb128mirak: what's the problem ?12:52
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chibifsHmmm.. That didn't work very well.12:52
chibifsMaybe slackware will be nicer to me :/12:53
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seb128chibifs: what ?12:53
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Matt|455 upgraded, 27 newly installed, 2 to remove and 1 not upgraded.12:53
chibifsI'm setting up an old laptop from 1996.12:53
Tsjoklatwell I guess I have to wait for 'new version' of the unknown12:53
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=== Matt| selects ok
nixmanwhy is it that i cannot switch to root using su from the terminal ?12:54
xenonite[ZACK] : right click on the music file, then properties12:54
[ZACK] thanks xenon12:54
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xenonite[ZACK] : then open with12:54
xenonitealright :)12:54
Matt|hopefully you weren't about to tell him something really important12:55
xenoniteyes, but he left his IP ;)12:55
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Matt|you can tell him in morse code power cycling his pc?12:56
xenonitehehe lol12:56
Tzalidardoes anyone have a quick awnser on howto select the default sound card12:56
Tzalidari remember one guy told me a really neat way of selecting it12:56
Matt|Tzalidar, i don't understand the question12:58
Tzalidarbut i cant remember it12:58
Matt|Tzalidar, you have more than one soundcard?12:58
Tzalidarone onboard and a audigy12:58
Tzalidaronboard is default right now12:58
Tzalidarbut i dont use it12:58
epodHow do I add an item to the gnome menu?12:58
Tzalidari know there is a neat way of doing this12:58
Tzalidarbut i cant remember it12:58
Matt|epod, right click on the submenu you want to add it in, and select add new item12:58
epodMatt|, that doesn't seem to be working...12:58
Matt|epod, sorry: right click inside the submenu you want to add it in, and select ENTIRE MENU --> new item12:58
xenonitek3b can't find my cd-recorder... what can i do?12:58
Matt|i am so scared of this dist-upgrade...12:58
epodMatt|, thanks :)12:59
xenonitewhy not?12:59
Matt|xenonite, not sure i'm rubbish at cd-r12:59
mirakseb128: the lack of package, but hoary seems to have them all12:59
seb128mirak: ubuntu has more packages than debian12:59
seb128mirak: I would not call that a lack of package01:00
mirakseb128: how ?01:00
Matt|more than debian?01:00
seb128mirak: it contains the whole debian archive and some extra stuff like mplayer01:00
mirakseb128: mmm right, I added the sources for debian01:00
Matt|i thought debian had an infinite number of packages01:00
seb128mirak: no, don't01:01
mirakseb128: there is not freenx in it it sems01:01
seb128don't use the debian source01:01
seb128universe universe for ubuntu01:01
mirakseb128: I mean I did it on debian to have mplayer01:01
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guestuserhey, i have 2 questions01:01
Matt|hi guestuser01:01
guestuseri have a background image but i dont want to manualy set it every session, is there a way to make it default01:01
guestuserand 2: i tried to edit the fluxbox menu so that aterm would be abit transparant when i open it but that doesnt seem to work01:01
Matt|guestuser, when you change the background, it remembers it01:02
Matt|ah you are using fluxbox01:02
TzalidarYES!! i found the solution :) options snd_emu10k1 index=001:02
Matt|then background goes in the fluxbox config01:02
Tzalidarin modprobe.d file01:02
Tzalidar* a modprobe.d file01:02
epodyay postal 2 runs.01:02
Matt|which is /home/guestuser/.fluxbox/something.conf01:02
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Matt|as for aterm: i don't think that that kind of transparency works with fluxbox01:03
guestuserwell i can do it manualy01:03
guestuserbut then its just for 1 session01:04
Matt|xchat transparency does not work in fluxbox ;/01:04
xenonitek3b can't find my cd-recorder... what can i do?01:04
mirakseb128: I was wondering, how can ubuntu maintain so much packages ?01:04
housetierMatt| it should if you set the background right01:04
guestuserin my fluxbox directory there arnt .conf files what to do?01:04
guestusermatt: on linux i use irssi01:04
mirakseb128: is it automated or something ?01:04
Matt|housetier, xchat gave me a message saying, your window manager isn't good enough01:05
Matt|mirak, debian do it01:05
Matt|guestuser, what have you got in ~/.fluxbox?01:05
mirakMatt|: so how do you convert them to ubuntu ?01:05
Matt|mirak, you don't have to01:05
guestuserbsetbg ( an empty file ), init, keys, menu, menu.save, slitlist01:06
Matt|ok it's init01:06
Matt|edit it and look for a line with the background in01:06
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Matt|sorry i couldn't remember the filename :(01:06
Matt|guestuser, maybe you'll find the answer to your other problem somewhere in there too :)01:07
Matt|guestuser, you don't like gnome huh?01:07
seb128mirak: all the debian packages are imported and ubuntu work over these packages01:07
Matt|oh really01:07
Matt|i didn't know that01:07
Matt|the process is automated i guess01:08
guestuserMatt|, im just experimenting with things, i already have gnome configured to my likings conserning the background01:08
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Matt|guestuser, ok cool01:08
guestuserthere is no linw with background in it in the init file01:08
Matt|guestuser, damn01:08
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Matt|guestuser, it is def. in there somewhere, might not have actual word "background"01:09
Matt|i never had a bsetbg file tho don't know about that01:09
guestusermaybe it is in the style configuration, there is noting wich looks like it could be the background option01:10
guestuseri prolly created it whyle messing with stuff as its empty01:10
Matt|i'll have a look on my other pc, which has fluxbox01:10
Matt|ok found it01:11
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Matt|session.screen0.rootCommand:    fbsetbg -f /home/matt/desktops/gentoo/1280x1024/gentoo_tux_v.png01:12
Mojo_Jojohi, does anyone here use sound-juicer?01:12
guestusermatt, i changed the line to contain my path to the image but when i relogin to fluxbox it isnt set as background01:14
TycheIs there a ximian install for Ubuntu? or is the ximian safe to install?01:14
Matt|guestuser, do you get an error?01:14
guestuserno, it looks like it ignores it01:14
guestuserbut the line isnt signed out using a # or something01:14
Matt|perhaps delete the empty file?01:15
guestuserill try01:15
Matt|guestuser, make sure you have the command fbsetbg?01:15
Matt|guestuser, i seem to remember also that fsbetgb uses a difference command to draw the background. I had to install it separately. But i remember it giving me an error01:16
[Siff] how can i set nautilus to launch in browser mode instead of spawning a trillion windows?01:16
guestuserim reloggin in now01:17
RageMaxwhat are the resources for unstable?01:17
Matt|[Siff] , run gconf-editor01:17
Matt|[Siff] , browse to apps --> nautilus --> preferences01:17
Matt|change the value of "always use browser" to "true"01:18
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Matt|[Siff] , that is really annoying I agree. Should be set to that on default01:19
[ZACK] hey, i just apt-got Enlightenment. How do I make this one of my choices when I choose my session type?01:19
kensaiCan I just use hoary sources to get some packages like gtk-gnutella and then keep warty again in my sources and everything wil be fine?01:19
mjrkensai, well. You can certainly try your luck, but nothing's guaranteed :)01:20
mjrI did, though, get galeon from Hoary with no apparent ill effects01:20
mjrso far, at least :)01:20
kensaiOk then I'll not try with that answer you scare me01:20
yshow do i install a sound theme in gnome?01:20
kensaiI want the firefox in hoary01:21
[ZACK] hey, i just apt-got Enlightenment. How do I make this one of my choices when I choose my session type?01:21
TycheI am looking to install something! What is good to have?01:21
guestusermatt, i deleted the file and editted the session.screen0.rootCommand: line your example using my own file but its still not displaying my imsge01:21
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limaunionhi for every smb mounted fs I have a desktop icon in GNOME, is there a way to avoid these icons ?01:22
Matt|guestuser, check the command exists01:22
[ZACK] hey, i just apt-got Enlightenment. How do I make this one of my choices when I choose my session type?01:22
Matt|dunno [ZACK] 01:22
[ZACK] ok01:23
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[ZACK] anyone know?01:23
guestusermatt, how do you mean, the session.screen0.rootCommand: line is in there01:23
dawnfadinganyone using azureus on ubuntu?01:23
xenonitehow can i rotate jpeg images losslessly?01:23
limauniondawnfading: me01:23
mjrxenonite, with jpegtran01:23
dawnfadingproblems with the TCP port settings?01:23
xenonitedawnfading: download java before01:23
xenonitemjr thanks01:23
dawnfadingi'm getting a nasty 6881 NAT error01:24
dawnfadingazureus is working fine01:24
mjr(package libjpeg-progs in universe)01:24
Matt|guestuser, try the command fbsetbg in a terminal to make sure it exists01:24
dawnfadingbut when i test the TCP i get a nat error01:24
xenonitedawnfading: firewall?01:24
limauniondawnfading: no, not here, anyway I don't use the default port01:24
dawnfadingi have a fresh ubuntu install01:24
dawnfadingso i don't have a clue how to find the fix in ubuntu01:24
dawnfading(or what firewall is used)01:24
[ZACK] whoops01:24
[ZACK] caps01:24
[ZACK] sorry01:24
Matt|[ZACK] , i know how to get it as default01:25
Matt|edit ~/.desktop01:25
guestusermaat, in my case it isnt fbsetbg but just bsetbg, ill try that in the init file01:25
limauniondawnfading: you mean when you perform the self-test from azureuz?01:25
Matt|guestuser, good idea01:25
dawnfadinglimaunion> what port can you use then?01:25
dawnfadingyes limaunion01:25
guestuserhmm, 'bsetbg: default configuration was created in /home/guestuser/.fluxbox/bsetbg'01:26
limauniondawnfading: azururez lets you use whatever port you want, it's transparent for the peer01:26
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guestuserthats what is displayerd after settng my background image but it isnt default01:26
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[ZACK] Matt|, how do I do it again?01:26
limauniondawnfading: well, i think that I got the same error but it's working ok, don't pay much attention to the self-test, just try it01:27
dawnfadingok i'll try01:27
dawnfadingso you have good download times?01:27
Matt|[ZACK] , "nano -w ~/.desktop01:27
limauniondawnfading: full available bandwidth01:27
rasherCan anyone point me at where to configure linux-wlan-ng drivers? The prism2_usb driver is loaded, but that's about it.01:27
Matt|[ZACK]  put in desktop="enlightenment"01:28
guestusermatt: its default now, i removed the -f flag ( whats that for anyway ) and used bsetbg instead of bgsetbg01:28
guestuserthanks :D01:28
dawnfadingsounds nice ;-)01:28
Matt|guestuser, glad it's working01:28
Matt|[ZACK] , actually this might not work if you're using gdm01:29
limauniondawnfading: sure ;)01:29
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trickieI upgraded the repositories in Synaptic to use the hoary release, it it couldn't find the respositories... i am using AMD6401:31
guestuserany suggestions on the eterm thing aswel matt?01:31
trickieis it just as simple as upgrading the sources.list01:31
Strisstrickie, it should be01:32
Strissthats all i did01:32
Matt|guestuser, how do you get it to work manually?01:32
Strissjust chance every instance of warty to hoary01:32
zenwhenAny Ubuntu devs in here?01:33
dawnfadinglimaunion, do you have some URL so i can try out azureus01:33
dawnfadingthe torrents i'm trying now don't seem to do much01:33
dawnfadingany test is fine01:33
kensaiwhen will upgrading to hoary will be safe?01:33
guestusermatt: 'aterm -tr -trsb' it opens a new aterm windows but that is transparant, only 2 probs with that, 1) if i close the old window it closes the transparant window aswel and 2) its 100% transparant01:33
Strissi havent had a problem with hoary at all01:34
mirakdawnfading: I must install java01:34
kensaiI just had one prob with hoary the clock applet in gnome got broken01:34
Strissi stopped using gnome since i upgraded tho, i'm using fluxbox now01:34
dawnfadinghow do you mean mirak?01:34
Strissi love flux01:34
kensaimaybe I should try flux01:35
limauniondawnfading: just make a simple google search for bittorrent, you'll find a lot of sites...01:35
Strissits great if you want a lightweight window manager01:36
Strisswithout all the gnome bulk01:36
dawnfadingi have some torrents, but they're all red grey or yellow01:36
Strissit depends on what you're using your desktop for i guess01:36
dawnfadingnever had a green one01:36
dawnfadingis this normal?01:36
cardadoranyone knows how to get an USB adsl modem working in Ubuntu?01:36
Matt|guestuser, how are you opening aterm?01:36
Matt|cardador, i did it in gentoo maybe I can help a bit01:36
Strissdawnfading, a torrent will go green when you've uploaded a certain amount more than you've downloaded01:36
Strissonce your ratio goes past 1:1 or something01:36
cardadorMatt|: thanks. whats the procedure?01:36
Matt|cardador, it took me 2 weeks01:36
Matt|cardador, what is the modem01:36
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guestusermatt: right mouse button in the desktop and then 'Shells --> Aterm'01:36
cardadorMatt|: motorola sb 620001:36
Matt|oh damn01:36
guestuserusb i spose01:37
mirakdawnfading: it means you need java virtual machine to run azureus01:37
cardadorMatt|: i had it working in Xandros01:37
dawnfadingtnx Striss01:37
cardadorMatt|: with CDCEther01:37
dawnfadingok, at least 'something' is downloading ;-)01:37
Strissi use btdownloadcurses so i don't see any colors on my torrents01:37
Matt|guestuser, you need to edit the menu01:37
dawnfadingtnx limaunion01:37
cardadorMatt|: but i cant find it on Ubuntu01:37
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RageMaxso how do I upgrade the system to unstable?01:38
guestusermatt: i tried that but what i tried didnt work01:38
Matt|cardador, better download it then :(01:38
jdubRageMax: you want to upgrade an ubuntu system to debian unstable?01:38
RageMaxno, to ubuntu unstable01:38
cardadorRageMax: thats ubuntu hoary :)01:38
Matt|RageMax, change every instance of warty to hoary in your synaptic repositories01:39
jdubRageMax: are you sure? :)01:39
RageMaxI'm pretty sure, is it really, really unstable?01:39
jdubit's going to get hairy01:39
Matt|i'm just doing it now01:39
RageMaxor about as unstable as debian unstable01:39
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jdubif you're familiar with debian, you should be okay01:39
jdubRageMax: well, it starts off synchronised with debian unstable01:39
jdubRageMax: but with our changes on top01:40
RageMaxah ok01:40
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cardadorRageMax: i havent had any problems with it01:40
limauniondawnfading: np01:40
RageMaxthe worst thing that I've had occur with unstable is when someone messed up the glibc package01:40
Matt|guestuser, paste the relevant part of ~/.fluxbox/menu01:40
RageMaxthat wasn't fun01:40
stuNNedupon boot how can i get snd_intel8x0 to load but not snd_intel8x0m?01:40
RageMaxis the full gnome 2.9 in there yet?01:40
ysi want to change my splash image what do i put in for the value in gconf?01:41
kensaijdub: I got the clock-applet in gnome "hoary" broken this is fixed with just another update soon?01:41
ysthe location of the file?01:41
Matt|ys, yup01:41
jdubkensai: worksforme01:41
Matt|ys you can do it in the gui: computer --> system config --> login screen01:41
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stuNNedjdub: hi, how can i prevent snd_intel8x0m from loading when system boots?01:41
cardadorMatt|: thats gdm login, he wants splash screen01:42
b_e_n_zaccording to that article, there was some outrage in the debian community...01:42
kensaijdub: I'll try and upgrade to hoary again I reinstalled ;) It was a new installation so nothing was loss01:42
Matt|oh sorry01:43
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dawnfadingtnx for the tips, goodnight!01:44
kensaiWhen is Xorg comig out?01:45
stuNNedhow do i stop a module from loading when system boots?01:46
Matt|kensai, few days01:46
cardadorstuNNed: edit /etc/modules01:46
kensaiI want to install project Looking Glass from Sun Microsystems again but I need Xorg ;)01:47
stuNNedcardador: all modules that are installed are listed there?01:47
jdubkensai: there'll be a panel and gaim update coming through to fix the clock issue01:49
jdub(and gaim not working)01:49
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Matt|kensai is project looking glass released?01:50
cardadorstuNNed: not sure01:50
stuNNedcardador: ok thanks01:50
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limaunionhi is php ready for use with apache 1.3x or do I have to tweak a lot to get it working ?01:57
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minauralapache and php are two peas on a pod01:57
minauralif you had said apache2 and php5 it is a different sotry01:58
Matt|minaural, would you be able to tell me how to allow directory listings to be viewed by visitors to my site under apache2?01:58
limaunionminaural: ok I'll have to investigate a little more...01:59
minauralerm edit your apache conf file and add +Indexes01:59
Matt|minaural, whereabouts?01:59
minauralin the <Directory>01:59
minauralyou should have a <Directory /var/htdocs> or something01:59
minauralwhere /var/htdcos is your root web directory01:59
Matt|DocumentRoot /var/www/localhost/htdocs/02:00
minauralbelow that is DirectoryOptions02:00
minauraladd +Indexs to that02:00
minauralmost likely its -Indexes atm02:00
Matt|i don't have any of that02:00
Matt|in fact i don't have any <> signs at all02:01
limaunionminaural: sorry my english is not so good, you mean that's very easy with 1.3x, right ?02:01
minauralwhat file are you look at?02:01
GervystarHi i've a laptop that can boot only from floppy and i'd like to install ubuntu on it. I've managed to start the sarge installer from floppy and to load root.img from a usb-key. I'm wondering if there's a way to boot directly ubuntu (kernel from a floppy and root/installer from usb-key). Any idea?02:01
minaurallimaunion: i dont know how easy it is to install if have never done it, but it terms of not having bugs its great02:01
limaunionminaural: ok, thanks.02:02
rasherlimaunion: on Debian at least it's literally as easy as apt-get install apache php4 - can't imagine it's harder in ubuntu02:02
rasher(or the synaptic equivalent)02:02
minauralyah dbain or gentoo is very easy02:03
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minauraland ubuntu the same thing02:03
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limaunionrasher: thanks for the info, i must go now, see you later!02:03
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jmhodgesanyone played with any tablets ?02:04
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stuNNedalsa loads intel8x0m, how do i stop this?02:05
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GammaRayalsa depends on your distro to load modules02:06
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stuNNedGammaRay: ok, but i think snd_intel8x0m is stopping hsf modem drivers to install properly so would rather not have it lod02:07
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GammaRayis there an /etc/init.d/alsa or /etc/init.d/sound ?02:08
Tsjoklathey all02:08
stuNNedyes there is an /etc/init.d/alsa02:08
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khronichi person02:08
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GammaRaystuNNed: for now I'd just manually remove the sound module and see if it is actually the problem02:09
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menatoranyone use mono and glade?02:09
stuNNedGammaRay: it's locked with all the other alsa modules, i can't seem to remove i t02:09
trickieanyone got a good Mono dev env up and running? You just build from src? Any deb's?02:09
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GammaRaystuNNed: mdk does it this way: in /etc/modprobe.conf there is an alias sound-slot-0 which mdk loads through either of those scripts.02:11
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shampooHi everyone02:11
GammaRayI'm not sure which..02:11
shampooi am using the live CD and I would like to know if there is a FAQ which explains if it is possible to store my home dir on a USB drive02:12
Pizbitshampoo: Change to fstab to point to the USB drive for /home/ ?02:12
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GammaRaystuNNed: just looked.. it's /etc/init.d/sound here.. so you distro works the same.. you could disable that script from loading02:13
shampoobecause I would like to save my settings02:13
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Tsjoklatwell updated, rebooted and still no luck with the trash applet :|02:13
shampoois there a param I can pass at bootup to change fstab ?02:13
GammaRaystuNNed: or perhaps /etc/init.d/sound stop might do it02:14
stuNNedGammaRay: it's /etc/init.d/sound in ubuntu? :)02:14
stuNNedGammaRay: i'll try, unfortunately keep having to reboot into windows to get net connect02:15
stuNNedGammaRay: right now downloading an hsf modem .deb file02:15
GammaRaystuNNed: heh.. I have a ubuntu box in the other room02:16
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redemptionAnyone alive?02:17
stuNNedGammaRay: ok, one more try, wish me luck!02:17
redemptionHey I was having a problem with als, perhaps someone could help me with it?02:19
redemptionI'm trying to play et while using teamspeak.  I have alsa installed as ubuntu installed it( i.e. I haven't touched it.)02:21
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redemptionI have oss emulation enabled.02:21
redemptionand I have a SBlive that has a hardware mixer.02:22
draconiandid you go in the terminal and try alsamixer02:22
redemptionthe problem is et trys to grab the /dev/dsp device and the hardware mixer doesn't seem to be enabled.02:23
redemptionany ideas?02:24
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regeyaI suppose the important question of the day is: QDesign codec for Xine--is it possible?  I really couldn't tell you why I'm trying...02:24
draconianwere enable the hardware mixer before?02:25
draconiandamn sorry bad grammar02:25
Matt|redemption, i don't know much about audio, but i had to add /dev/.mixer to the mplayer preferences on my rig02:25
Matt|instead of /dev/mixer02:26
redemptionwell, I'm not to up on the sound infrastructure for linux, but my previous distribution was knoppix without also (i.e. oss) and the hardware mixing worked fisne then.02:26
redemptionalso =alsa02:26
redemptionheh, I type to fast when I should edit my writing.02:26
draconianheh ya i do that too02:26
redemptionmattl, the problem is et wants to grab the entire device instead of one of the channels for /dev/dsp.02:27
redemptionand you can't change what device et grabs.02:27
redemptionthanks though.02:28
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Matt|hope you get it working02:32
Matt|i'm off to bed02:32
redemptionreboot. lates02:34
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dialtoneif I need win32codecs I should add marillat repository but using testing or unstable? (running hoary here)02:44
fissydoes samba run by default?02:44
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stuNNedman, can't get hsf modem drivers to load for cr*p02:46
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Tsjoklathey Pizbit02:48
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GammaRaydialtone: testing02:50
TsjoklatPiz are you on hoary?02:52
Pizbit_Don't plan on it either for some months.02:53
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Tsjoklatwb Piz02:54
PizbitYeah, router died again, no idea why02:54
fissywhat does ubuntu have running on port 981?02:54
TsjoklatI am re-installing ubu02:54
Tsjoklatcan't deal with hoary for now02:55
GammaRayfissy: sudo lsof -i:98102:55
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Agabushey all02:56
Tsjoklathey Aga02:56
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fissyGammaRay, famd, and being run by my usual user despite it being a priveleged port?02:56
fissywhy does famd need network access?02:56
Pizbitfissy: Are you sure that's on the external interface and not the loopback?02:57
Tsjoklatwb mercurus02:57
Agabusi was wondering, i'll be installing Ubuntu in like an hour or so, the install is text based right? and do u have to manually parition??02:57
fissyPizbit, good point, i port scanned myself in the absence of anyone else. but still, why does it need to be there?02:57
PizbitAgabus: You can tell it to just use all of a HD in which case it'll partition it itself, else you'll have too do it manually(or select already partitioned partitions)02:58
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Pizbitfissy: To talk to stuff?02:58
mercuruscheers Tsjoklat02:58
AgabusPizbit: oh ok yeh i'll just let it use the whole hard drive02:58
fissywhy not use unix sockets like anything else if its not accessible from other computers?02:58
PizbitNo idea, I hate famd:)02:59
fissyhmm ok02:59
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fissyone other one, 'sunrpc' running on 111?02:59
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Agabushey does anyone here have a dvd burner? if so, do u know how to compress DVD9 to single layer dvds on linux?? just like dvd shrink does in windows02:59
molteki have a very strange problem, i hope someone can help me....03:00
Pizbitfissy: Ubuntu by default doesn't open any external ports iirc03:00
Pizbitmoltek: Only if you say what it is03:00
moltekI deleted my user account (dont ask why)03:00
fissyPizbit, i'm sure i haven't added anything network wise03:00
moltekand I cant get into root03:00
molteksudo -s is not like root03:00
fissyi'm doubly sure i didn't install famd03:00
moltekand I need to add the user again or reinstall ubuntu i guess03:01
Pizbitfissy: famd comes in with gnome/etc03:01
Pizbitmoltek: Boot into rescue mode03:01
fissywell yeah, and gnome is a default part of ubuntu Pizbit03:01
moltekPizbit: aha... how ?03:01
Pizbitfissy: I really hadn't noticed.03:01
moltekIt boots straight away03:01
Pizbitmoltek: I belive you hit ESC when grub is first mentioned during the boot process03:01
fissythe point is, *I* didn't do it, Ubuntu has mystically opened up this port for me03:01
moltekPizbit: ok, i see03:02
moltekPizbit: Ill try it03:02
moltekPizbit: thanks03:02
PizbitNot sure what rescue mode gives you exactly, not having done it03:02
moltekPizbit: at least its something new for me03:02
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moltekIm desperate u know,.. anything is a new world XD03:03
moltekits says : root@ubuntu03:03
molteksounds good03:03
PizbitKnow how to add a new user and all that?03:05
moltekPizbit: yes, thanks03:08
moltekactually I have a question03:08
moltekIf I have the whole system installed by a user called dan with UID 1000 can I change the UID without the system being affected ?03:09
moltekI need to change the UID03:09
moltekis it possible ?03:09
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PizbitYou might have to change the UID on everything in the user's home directory to the new UID03:10
PizbitRecursively, chmod should be able to do it.03:10
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PizbitAnyhow, gota get into a shower:) Laters03:10
moltekok! thanks man03:11
georgiawouldnt the right tool be chown, rather than chmod?03:11
molteki was just thinking that..03:11
PizbitBah, they both start with ch:)03:11
Pizbit*gone* *really*03:11
georgiaenjoy the shower Pizbit03:11
moltekenjoy every drop03:11
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moltekgeorgia: but chown doesnt change the UID, or ??03:13
moltekI just check the man page03:13
georgiaif you specify a user, or uid it does03:14
moltekdoes it ?03:14
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georgiaaccording to the nampage i'm reading, yeah03:15
moltekchown /home/dan -R 50103:15
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georgia"If only a user name (or numeric user ID) is given, that user is made the owner of each given  file,  and the files' group is not changed."03:15
LinuxJonesmoltek, what are you trying to do ?03:15
yswhat's a good program to use to download music?03:15
Agabusys: bittorrent03:16
keknehvhow do I run executable text files?03:16
moltekLinuxJones: I have a NFS server with my user with UID 50103:16
ysbit torrent is no good03:16
moltekLinuxJones: ubuntu defaults to UID 100003:16
Agabusys: no good? its great03:16
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ysit's no good for me. i can't upload over a gig or i get booted of the school network03:17
moltekand because you cant root with ubuntu i couldnt change it , or at least i didnt find the way to do it03:17
LinuxJonesmoltek, your trying to change a directory and all files in it ?03:17
ysso a movie will get me banned for a week03:17
ysis there anything else?03:17
yslike a limewire03:17
chutwigys: sounds like me, except i get banned for half a gig up in 7 days03:17
GammaRaybittorrent? heh03:17
Agabusys: fair enough then. do u run linux or windows?03:17
moltekIm trying to change the UID to 501 , but i have the whole thing going on with all my conf/programs/docs to UID 100003:17
GammaRayys: amule or gtk-gnutella03:17
molteki get errors when I log in,03:18
Agabusyeh i was gonna say amule03:18
keknehvHow can I run executable text files? (start with #/bin/sh)03:18
moltekso now, I did the rescue mode, erased the user without the home dir, added the user with UID 50103:18
GammaRaykeknehv: ./file03:18
moltekbut im not sure if it will boot03:18
ysgtk-gnutella was an ugly program that wouldn't connect to any host, so i'll try amule03:19
moltekamule is cool for me03:19
vortex25which java package should I install to run azureus?03:19
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GammaRayys: how long ago was that? :-P03:19
georgiays: gtk-gnutella takes a few minutes, but it works fine03:19
GammaRayys: good luck downloading an mp3 w/ amule03:19
GammaRayain't gonna happen.. for days03:19
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AgabusGammaRay: i used to be under that impression aswell, but wen u learn how to use it, the ed2k network is quite fast03:20
LinuxJonesmoltek, sudo chown -R username:username /path/to/your/dir03:20
GammaRayamule beats gnutella in some ways.. and vice versa03:20
GammaRayAgabus: learn how to use it? bleh. it just sucks for small files03:21
Agabusi use a combination of bittorent and amule03:21
AgabusGammaRay: quite true, but u can find the rarest files and u will get them, u just have to wait. u can find almost anything u need on ed2k03:21
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GammaRaythe same can be said for gnutella03:22
Agabuscool then03:22
GammaRayI find the only difference between p2p nets is why people seem to share on them03:23
GammaRayerr s/why/what03:23
moltekI LOVE YOU ALL03:23
LinuxJonesmoltek, ;)03:23
georgiamoltek: lets get married then ;)03:23
GammaRaymoltek: well pucker up then (-;03:23
AgabusGammaRay: are u saying u saying u don't believe that the p2p programs should make u share back what u have downloaded?03:23
Pizbitmoltek: I'd rather you keept it strictly platonic:)03:23
moltekgeorgia: maybe , who knows ?03:24
TsjoklatI just want my trash applet to work.. anyone that knows the answer I'll marry you if needed03:24
GammaRayAgabus: meant what people share.. not why03:24
georgiaTsjoklat: whats wrong with it?03:24
Tsjoklatdoesn't work anymore03:24
Tsjoklatcan't drag files into it03:24
georgiaat all?03:24
GammaRayAgabus: ie.. lots of movies on amule, few in gnutella.. but it could easily be reverse03:24
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Tsjoklatit shows up as full if there are files in it03:24
moltekPizbit: thats what ubuntu is isnt it ? I am what I am because of what we all are !!03:24
ysamule and xmule keep aborting03:24
Tsjoklatbut my dragging option has been removed03:24
Tsjoklatand I like that so much!03:25
GammaRayys: your network is probably blocking the needed ports03:25
georgiaTsjoklat: remove it, then add it again. i've seen the problem before, that fixed it03:25
moltekGammaRay: :D03:25
Tsjoklatremove what georgia?03:25
georgiathe trash applet03:25
georgiaclick with the right mouse button and you get a menu, choose "remove from panel"03:26
TsjoklatI dist-upgraded to hoary.. it removed my trash applet... when I want to reinstall it.. it wants to remove gnome-applets/gnome-applets-data and ubuntu-desktop03:26
Tsjoklatso I don't know what to do03:26
Tsjoklatseb said it is a bug of some sort03:26
Tsjoklatsaid to wait for a 'new' version03:27
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Tsjoklatdon't know for what version I am suppose to wait for.. gnome or ubu??03:27
georgiaprobably your best bet, if you've reported the bug03:27
GammaRayys: on gnutella and amule.. you don't have much luck behind a firewall03:27
Tsjoklatif I have to wait for grumpy I rather stick with warty03:27
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PizbitTsjoklat: That sounds like the best option if something as little as a trash can bothers you:)03:28
TsjoklatI just hope somebody else has the same problem03:28
Tsjoklatwell you know me Piz... :P03:28
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Tsjoklatyour suggestion would be to live with it03:28
PizbitYou could just use the delete key:)03:29
georgiai'd recommend sticking with warty. if you cant stand a few bugs, development code isnt for you03:29
Tsjoklatok ok ok I get the idea and I shall zip up03:29
sepheebear__anybody had any luck building NetworkManager on PPC?03:29
Agabusfrom experience, how long does it take to do a fresh install of warty?03:29
redemptionanyone know how to alter file associations graphically?03:29
Pizbitredemption: Right click on the file, hit properties and then "open with" tab03:30
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kensaithis problem I'm having with hoary:03:32
kensaiThe panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_ClockApplet".03:32
kensaiDetails: Failed to resolve, or extend '!prefs_key=/apps/panel/profiles/default/applets/clock/prefs;background=none:;orient=down;size=x-small;locked_down=false03:32
kensaiDo you want to delete the applet from your configuration?03:32
kensaiWhat should I do delete it from configuration?03:33
sepheebear__i only get this message "configure: error: wireless-tools 27.pre23 not installed or not functional"03:34
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SmokingFireanyone read/hear about that opensource vm (vmware like)03:40
SmokingFirexen or somthing like that03:40
molteki double mounted via NFS , if i try to umount it says device is busy... how do i umount it then ??? any ideas ???03:40
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hectorvshey guys, whats up03:40
Pizbitmoltek: Is famd looking at it? Make sure you're not in that dir.03:40
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GammaRaymoltek: try umount -f03:40
robertjAgabus: 30 minutes?03:40
hectorvsi have a small question... is there a way to improve sound quality in ubuntu?03:40
robertjOn a newish computer03:40
robertjMaybe 15 on a real hot-rod?03:40
hectorvsbecause right now its kinda bad, and only one app is allowed to use the sound03:40
robertjIt's noticably more nimble than Fedora03:40
PizbitAgabus: A lot of it is automated so you can just do the manual parts first then just go eat dinner;)03:40
Pizbithectorvs: Set them all up to use esd and enable that, or look up dmix03:40
moltekPizbit: illegal seek03:40
robertjthere needs to be a install notouch=103:40
kensaiLOL I think gnome dev hear me the clockapplet error was fixed in an apt-get dist-upgrade right now03:40
hectorvsPizbit: how do i set them up to use esd?03:40
robertjdoes anyone here know whats needed to get sdl games to play sound properly?03:40
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Pizbithectorvs: Look into the sound config for each app? For rhythmbox and totme-gst you'll have to go into gnome-control-center advanced and change the audio output in the multimedia systems selector03:42
Pizbittotem-gst even heh03:43
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CraHansay, anyone know what happened to nautilus in the latest hoary update?03:43
CraHanlooks like nautilus can't open pngs anymore03:44
PizbitCraHan: Try re-setting the file association03:44
CraHanalso the cdrom/disk icons in the computer folder show up as broken03:44
CraHanPizbit: ok03:44
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kensaiCraHan: I did the last update and I can open .png with nautilus03:44
CraHanthis is on ppc though03:45
kensaiOhh that may be the prob03:45
CraHannautilus doesn't create thumbnails anymore either03:45
CraHangimp opens png files fine, so I have the necessary png libs installed I guess03:45
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SewdynI've got a problem with Ubuntu I use at school.  I've been using it at school to host a site with Apache2/PHP.03:46
mercurusCraHan: sounds like nautilus and pngs aren't communicating properly ... PizBit's sugestion sounds good, did it work ?03:47
SewdynI was messing around with the /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow files, and I cleared out the root hash and when I tried to 'passwd root' I got some authentication error.  Has anyone seen this?03:47
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CraHanmercurus: trying now03:47
regeyaI thought that xine supported qdesign audio.03:47
vdrhello can i ask a question  i have Ubuntu install and working fine now im trying to get it to see my usb Hard Drives How make Ubuntu see Them03:47
regeyaI swear I've played trailers with qdesign audio in totem...on other systems.  maybe not.03:47
CraHanmercurus: erhm, excuse my ignorant question, but where in gnome does one set the fileassociations?03:48
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kensaiCraHan: right clicking the file and properties?03:49
PizbitRight click on the file, hit properties and then "open with" tab03:49
CraHanah ok :)03:49
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CraHanwhat's normally set as the file association?03:49
CraHanfor a graphics file?03:49
PizbitProbably eog03:49
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SewdynDoes anyone know about authentication errors from trying to access root ?03:50
redemptionPizbit, when I try to do that, it adds an association that will then appear under the open with window. It dosen't change the default left click association.03:50
Pizbitredemption: Click on the radio button to select the default app03:50
mercurusSewdyn: have you set a root password ?03:50
SewdynI had one set from the installation and I tried to delete it by clearing the hash in /etc/shadow.03:51
redemptionpizbit, :-) I try that, that don't unselect.03:51
hectorvshey guys, anyone have any idea why the print manager crashes when setting up a SMB windows shared printer?03:51
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CraHan"The filename blabla.png indicates that this file is of type "unknown".  The contents of the file indicate that the file is of type "png document".  If you open this file, the file might present a security risk to your system03:51
SewdynAnd now it's all messed up.  I didn't really know what I was doing.03:51
ShadowHawkAck, I'm hitting too many open files error03:51
CraHanwhat the heck is that all about?03:51
ShadowHawkWhat do I do?03:51
PizbitMeh, hoary:P03:51
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CraHanPizbit: yeah :)03:51
shad0w913i need help :p03:52
mercurusroot:*:12724:0:99999:7::: <-- is that what your /etc/shadow file looks like ?03:52
SewdynYes, but I cleared that out.03:52
SewdynShould I set it back to that ?03:52
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shad0w913is there anyone i can talk to individually, because it seems a little crouded for everyone to share their problems at once03:52
mercurusthe * will prevent a root login03:52
Pizbitshad0w913: Just ask your question and then people will answer using your nick03:53
PizbitAnd use their nick when responding03:53
CraHanit's with the latest hoary update03:53
CraHanthe toshiba laptop has the same problem03:53
SewdynAnd if I set it back to that, mercurus, how will I log in ?03:53
CraHanboth laptops (toshiba and ibook) don't show the disk icons anymore and don't open gfx file :)03:54
CraHangonna have to wait to do an apt-get update03:54
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mercurusSewdyn: login as root ? or login as a normal user /03:54
Sewdyn? as the password ?03:54
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mercurusif root has no password, you use "sudo" to administer the system03:54
mercurusall you do is:03:54
mercurussudo command options03:54
mercurusit'll prompt for a password03:55
mercurusenter your USER password03:55
mercurusand away you go03:55
shad0w913ok heres my problem, well my first: I'm on a compaq presario laptop and the battery meter doesn't work at all. I went into the synaptics thing, and it tells me that ACPI and APM are installed, but as far as I know, they don't seem to be doing anything.03:55
wimsuse for instace sudo passwd root03:55
SewdynYeah but03:56
SewdynWhen I tried to passwd root03:56
SewdynIt gave me the authentication error.03:56
mercurusSewdyn: you're not making a lot of sense ... can you start from the beginning please ?03:57
SewdynThe problem is03:57
mercuruswhat have you done, and what are you trying to do ?03:57
SewdynI did clear out root and everything, but when I went back into root to set a new password, it gave me an authentication error.03:57
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SewdynI'm trying to get it to set a new password so it'll work like it did before, heh.03:58
mercuruswhat is "root and everything" ?03:58
mercurusand from where ?03:58
mercuruswhat is left in /etc/shadow ?03:58
SewdynOh.  I mean, the hash for root inside /etc/shadow.03:58
GammaRayat the end of the install it gave me a command to "revisist" the installer.. what might that have been?03:58
mercurusand /etc/passwd ?03:58
shad0w913can anyone help me?03:58
SewdynNot sure if I cleaned the hash from /etc/passwd.  Could that've been the problem?03:58
mercurusSewdyn: ok, so you've replaced root's hash with a "*" in /etc/shadow ?03:59
SewdynI just cleared it and saved it.03:59
shad0w913of course03:59
PizbitGammaRay: Sounds like a typo for "revisit" which I assume would mean in case you want to change something you'd done wrong etc etc03:59
shad0w913i have the only model of the compaqs where the acpi doesn't work03:59
GammaRayPizbit: correct03:59
mercurusSewdyn: replace root's hash with a "*" in /etc/shadow .03:59
shad0w913well possibly03:59
shad0w913does the whole 1800 series not work with acpi?03:59
GammaRayPizbit: one the first one.. I have not actually done anythjing wrong but I am exploring04:00
SewdynSo set it as  root:*:12724:0:99999:7:: ?04:00
SewdynAnd would I need to set anything else in passwd ?04:01
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SewdynOr would I need to make any new user accounts and set them too?04:01
moltekme again... I installed the whole system and the user defaults to UID 1000, ok , i managed to change the UID, i did chown the whole home DIR, but now i dont have permission to /dev/dsp , i cant listen to audio, Ive checked and the user is added to the group audio...04:01
mercurusif you haven't changed it, it should be fine04:01
SewdynI may have changed it ... I'm not even sure = (04:01
Pizbitmoltek: Has the user logged out then in again?04:01
mercurusSewdyn: ok, then let's see what's in it04:01
Pizbitmoltek: Double check by running 'groups' as that user04:01
moltekPizbit: ok..04:02
mercuruscat /etc/paswd grep root04:02
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PizbitTo give you an idea, groups gives me 'pizbit adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner'04:02
SewdynI don't have the computer because I'm not at school.  Sorry = (04:02
mercurusSewdyn: ok, assuming you didn't touch /etc/passwd you should be able to login as a normal user, and use sudo04:03
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TycheWhat was the wiki information for the w32codecs? Does anyone have that URL?04:03
SewdynAnd Sudo won't prompt for a password?04:03
moltekPizbit: brilliant... :D04:03
Agabusyay ubuntu just finished downloading!04:03
hectorvsAgabus, have fun! :)04:04
moltekBobby Vinton - Blue Veltet Playing in XMMS... :D04:04
PizbitTyche: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats04:04
TychePizbit: Thank You.04:05
PizbitWow, that link is still 1 per 1000 lines in here:)04:05
mercurusSewdyn: as I said, it'll prompt for your USER's password - not root's non-existent password04:05
SewdynOkay.  And this is product of root's password being default as  root:*:12724:0:99999:7:: ?04:07
shad0w913ok, lets try a different question: what if I went in to grub, turned off acpi, turned on APM (which is already installed), and then rebooted. Would that make the battery meter work?04:07
mercurusSewdyn: no, it is the default.04:07
Agabushectorvs: i will :D04:07
mercurusshad0w913: worth a shot04:07
wimsit's your users password04:07
SewdynOkay.  And do you happen to know what I'd need to fix up if I had botched the passwd file too ?04:07
Pizbitshad0w913: Give it a go, can't hurt eh?04:07
shad0w913how do I make sure that the APM module is loaded, doesn't it have to be in some directory somewere?04:07
Pizbitshad0w913: Put it into /etc/modules04:07
linux_galoreshad0w913: if its a intel based laptop I usually find having acpi on is a positive move also make sure the acpid daemon is active04:07
mercurusSewdyn: if you botched passwd, you'll know about it ... you'll probably have to re-install or boot up from the install CD ... you won't be able to login04:08
Pizbitlinux_galore: You didn't see the bit where he said his laptop doesn't work with acpi04:08
shad0w913well according to the docks and the forums, ACPI doesn't work with 1800 series compaqs :(04:08
mercuruseg. if you removed root's entry, you can't sudo as root ... because uid 0 won't resolve correctly04:08
shad0w913oops :p04:08
SewdynSo... there's no way to fix that without reinstalling?04:08
linux_galorePizbit: so its not an intel based laptop then ??04:08
wimswithout root you got a big problem04:08
Pizbitlinux_galore: No idea04:08
shad0w913it's intel based, pentium III04:08
mercurusSewdyn: yes, boot up with the install CD and repair /etc/passwd manuall04:09
shad0w913600mhz, I think04:09
shad0w913maybe more04:09
SewdynAnd repairing /etc/passwd manually would consist of ... typing out new hashes for it?04:09
shad0w913how do i check to see if acpi is on?04:09
mercurusshadow: it is x86 which is what is important ;)04:09
mercurusSewdyn: there won't be any hashes in /etc/passwd04:09
linux_galoreshad0w913: yeah you need acpi and the acpid daemon running with that unit04:09
mercurusthere will be basic information, the fields are shown in man /etc/passwd04:09
mercuruseg. root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash04:10
hectorvshey guys, if I change between wireless networks alot, is there a way for ubuntu tu automagically detect the network its in and select the correct config (like wep)?04:10
yswhen i 'apt-cache search direct connect' how do i make it search for both words together?04:11
linux_galoreshad0w913: bet you only have the acpi module and you dont have the daemon running04:11
ShadowHawkHow do I raise the number of open files allowed for a program like bittorrent?04:11
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[Mirak] hi04:12
despI remember reading a webpage regarding some controversy about the Ubuntu "circle of friends" photos...04:12
despbut I can't find it04:12
mercurushmm ... I'm using a desktop ... and something I've removed has stopped the machine soft-powering off ... I have apmd, and acpid and associated packages ... what have I removed that I shouldn't ?04:12
[Mirak] they are gone04:12
despcan someone point me to it?04:12
CraHansleep seems to hang the ibook04:12
CraHanclosing the lide makes it sleep04:12
CraHanbut opening it again hangs it04:12
[Mirak] desp, search for ubuntu calander04:12
GammaRaysnd_via82xx is loaded for my sound card. How and where does it get loaded?04:13
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shad0w913linux_galore: did you block IMs?04:13
SewdynMercurus, say I got the install CD and booted it to repair passwd manually ... how would I do that?04:13
linux_galoremercurus: lsmod  see if acpi is loaded04:13
RuffianSoldierDebian :-p04:13
shank_is there a common problem with getting an md5sum error when trying to install?04:13
SewdynEdit the passwd file and replace it with defaults?04:14
despah, thanks [Mirak] 04:14
linux_galoreshad0w913: no just I have so many chats going your just got pushed to the back04:14
RuffianSoldiershank_, never heard of such a thing, so maybe......04:14
shad0w913oh, ok04:14
GammaRayon mandrake /etc/init.d/sound would load the proper module that /etc/modprobe.conf had an alias to04:14
shank_RuffianSoldier: yeah, it will not install on my laptop04:14
linux_galoreshad0w913: nothing personal as they say04:14
RuffianSoldiershank_, ubuntu wont?04:14
mercurusSewdyn: by putting what I typed above into the first line of /etc/passwd04:14
shank_the screen gets stuck at 34% constantly refreshing04:14
shad0w913it's fine, just try to get to it eventually ;)04:14
Sewdynroot:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash ?04:15
shank_and on F4, there's an error about md5sum04:15
RuffianSoldiershank_, download Ubuntu from a different mirror, then burn a new ISO04:15
shank_RuffianSoldier: i checked the md5sum of the iso04:15
shank_its fine04:15
mercuruslinux_galore: it isn't ... where does one put module loading instructions for Ubuntu ?04:15
RuffianSoldierit could be a hardware problem shank_04:15
shank_well, the laptop has fedora installed on it :-)04:16
shank_currently using it04:16
CraHanlooks like I need to disable hal to be able to suspend04:17
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RuffianSoldiershank_, Debian rules! All you need is Ubuntu04:18
TychePizbit: Is there another repository then universe that will give you added repositories?04:20
TychePizbit: I remember getting it off of the wiki site, but cannot find it, the name it had was "testing"04:20
TsjoklatTyche the merilat one04:20
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stuNNed_well i had to physically remove snd_intel8x0m from the /lib/modules tree so that it would not load, putting it in /etc/hotplug/blacklist did nothing04:21
TycheTsjoklat: Yes, that is the one. I searched for that "merilat" is that the correct spelling?04:23
despso is there a way to get the gnome-splash featuring the circle of friends guys?04:23
GammaRaystuNNed_: I'm pretty new to ubuntu. I just installed it yesterday.04:24
GammaRaystuNNed_: I've been looking around and I have no idea how it loads sound modules..04:25
hectorvsquick question, where are ubuntu wallpapers stored??04:25
hectorvsI added a read only file and now everytime i try to change the background the app crashes04:25
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dmlTyche, marillat04:26
yohanneswhat do u guys think about limewire?04:26
despyohannes: teh sux04:27
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Tsjoklatnot sure about the spelling Tyche04:27
Tsjoklatcould be with a E or a A04:27
yohannesdesp: what do u recommend?04:27
despthe correct spelling is "marillat"04:28
GammaRayyohannes: gtk-gnutella is better, I know that04:29
mdzGammaRay: hotplug04:30
GammaRayhey, what's the command to show the current run level and the last one?04:31
yohanneshow about xmule? any of u guys try it?04:31
GammaRayI use amule.. it's a fork of xmule04:31
GammaRayquite nice for large files.. as long as you can wait04:31
GammaRaymdz: thanks04:32
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stuNNed_GammaRay, it's the module for audio from the modem is all, like i need that! :D04:34
stuNNed_GammaRay, i've had a few issues with ubuntu and sound but besides that it's been great!04:35
yohannesthanks guys04:36
shank_what version of firefox does ubuntu have?04:36
bob2which version of ubuntu?04:37
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bob2warty has 0.9.3, hoary has rc104:37
WXhow do you enable cgi-bin access for each user?04:37
WXi added: <Directory /home/*/public_html/cgi-bin>04:38
WX        AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit04:38
WX        Options All04:38
WX    </Directory>04:38
TycheThanks dml and Tsjoklat I was able to find it with those suggestions. The correct spelling is Marillat04:41
bob2that has serious security implications, WX04:41
TycheAre there any other 'must have' repositories? I have the multiuniverse also.04:41
WXi realize... but i was only trying to make sure i didn't miss something04:41
WXbut i must have somewhere04:41
despI'm falling in love with Ubuntu04:41
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despthat chocolate girl on the desktop is helping, too04:42
kensaineed help this is what I get when I try to run xmms:04:42
kensailibmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory04:42
kensaiInconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!04:42
hectorvsin which folder are the ubuntu wallpapers stored? (the ones that come by default?)04:42
ToGGYi just ran into that04:42
ToGGYkensai: search for mikmod in synaptic and install all the results04:43
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ToGGYanyone wanna see my desktop?04:43
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RuffianSoldierhey all04:43
ToGGYMy ip ends in .25504:44
kensaiToGGY: Thanks everything fine now Thanks again04:44
ToGGYNow look at my screenshot!~04:44
bob2kensai: it's a bug in the nvidia drivers04:44
bob2kensai: install libmikmod204:48
hectorvsthis is not good04:48
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kensaibob2: But is the first time this bug affects me this is my 3rd install of ubuntu04:48
hectorvsmy gnome-background-properties program keeps on crashing every time i open it04:48
bob2hectorvs: /usr/share/backgrounds/04:48
bob2kensai: yes, it's a very weird bug04:48
RuffianSoldierI have a question.... Am I the only Ubuntu User/Lover (Tis my favorite distro) that uses KDE???04:48
hectorvsbob2: thanks a million04:48
bob2it only affects some people, sometime04:48
bob2RuffianSoldier: of course not04:48
RuffianSoldierwho else uses Ubuntu In KDE?04:48
bob2hectorvs: (found that by doing dpkg -L ubuntu-artwork | grep background)04:48
kensaiRuffianSoldier: I have kde installed and have used it04:48
ToGGYGnome > KDE04:48
RuffianSoldierCool, I always use KDE since I have it installed.  But Gnome is still awesome04:48
kensaiRuffianSoldier: it is broken in some parts04:48
RuffianSoldierkensai, I got mine working great: KDE 3.204:48
hectorvsbob2: thanks again, ill keep that in mind for future searches04:48
ToGGYWhy aint there any OPS in here?04:48
bob2hectorvs: you're welcome04:48
kensaiRuffianSoldier: Mine is working great but when I try to compile baghira theme it sasy I don't ahve some qt libraries some weird things too04:48
bob2ToGGY: there are04:48
RuffianSoldierToGGY, |trey| is an op04:48
bob2just not currently +o04:48
RuffianSoldierhe owns channel04:48
kensaiBut I don't mine Gnome is the better choice04:48
bob2|trey| is not an op04:48
RuffianSoldierbob2, I was pretty sure he is!!!!04:48
bob2RuffianSoldier: well, he's not, and he doesn't own the channel either.04:49
bob2he just talks a lot.04:49
RuffianSoldierbob2, how come where it shows the name of the owner of the channel, it says |04:49
kensaibob2: "he just talks a lot."  LOL LOL LOL04:49
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EfaistOsis the unstable version ok for a workstation ? nothing broking it right now ....04:50
bob2EfaistOs: it's usable, but I wouldn't run it if you want to be really sure nothing wil breakl04:51
EfaistOsbob2, ok but i was using inkscape 0.39 in sid on debian and now it's only 0.38 in warty04:52
EfaistOsis there security for hoary also ?04:52
kensaithere are some broken pacakges that come and go in a few minutes here in hoary04:53
bob2hoary has a similar security deal to sid04:53
EfaistOskensai, like in sid ?04:53
EfaistOsso it's quite usable ...04:53
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kensaiEfaistOs: sometimes more unstable than SID04:54
EfaistOsarf ...04:55
EfaistOsby the way did someone try doom3 under linux ?04:55
jdubnot necessarily more unstable04:56
jdubjust faster04:56
kensaiEfaistOs: But i told you it's a matter of minutes and there is a fix in apt-get -dist-upgrade04:56
bob2it's linux to the MAX04:56
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kensaiIs ubuntu localizing for spanish users?04:57
RuffianSoldierIm afraid of Huary hedgehog, Because I will want to use it, but then I will have to reformat and loose all my files and configurations!04:58
kensaireformat why?04:58
RuffianSoldierumm, how else would I install it04:58
kensaiapt-get dist-upgrade04:59
RuffianSoldierumm, can I do that when haury comes out?!?!04:59
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EfaistOshaury ?04:59
kensaichanging the sources.list to hoary instead of warty04:59
ToGGYSysInfo: uname: Linux CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+ 2090.649 MHz Bogomips: 4136.96 Mem: 835/1012M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 55.99G Free: 54.00G Procs: 75 Uptime: 1 hr 18 mins 53 secs Load: 0.75 0.70 0.48  Screen: nVidia Corporation NV31 [GeForce FX 5600XT]  (rev a1) Screen Resolution: 1280x1024 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 477.17M Out: 23.21M04:59
kensaiLoL haury sounds like a womens name05:00
bob2ToGGY: please fix your irc client so it never does that again05:00
bob2kensai: it's "hoary".05:00
RuffianSoldierkensai. Whorey Hedgehog05:00
kensaibob2: I know is hoary05:00
bob2RuffianSoldier: you don't need to reformat anything.05:00
kensaibob2: I was just kidding05:00
RuffianSoldierbob2, explain05:00
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rublindWho wants to help me fix my sound?05:02
bob2RuffianSoldier: just use warty.05:02
kensairublind: what happened?05:03
rublindI just installed ubuntu, and it doesn't work.05:03
rublindI believe it's a hotplug problem.05:03
RuffianSoldierbob2, why?!?! why use an old version when the latest come out05:03
bob2why do you think that?05:03
bob2RuffianSoldier: hoary is not out yet.05:03
rublindWhen I go to properties in on the volume icon in the corner, my sound card is last, and I think it needs to be before the Intel thing on my motherboard.05:03
bob2RuffianSoldier: when it is released in april, you can easily upgrade then.05:03
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RuffianSoldierhow? apt-get -dist upgrade?05:04
bob2RuffianSoldier: yes.05:04
bob2well, spelt correctly.05:04
kensaiRuffianSoldier: Upgrade to hoary if you want by accessing the /etc/apt/sources.list and editing everything that says warty to hoary and then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade05:05
RuffianSoldierthats alot of work05:05
RuffianSoldierthey need to make an upgrade CD05:05
kensaiRuffianSoldier: Please come on05:05
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Agabusalright guys im up and running with ubuntu :D05:06
kensaiRuffianSoldier: stay with warty then why go unstable and loose everything if you mess up ;)05:06
RuffianSoldieri guess05:06
RuffianSoldierUbuntu is a great, stable desktop05:07
RuffianSoldieri have had more problems with Windows and other Linux distros then Ubuntu05:07
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kensaiRuffianSoldier: I'm in hoary cause I love linux to the MAX05:07
kensaiRuffianSoldier: I have more probs with Windows than with my ex-girlfriend ;)05:07
RuffianSoldierI keep my XP box clean05:08
RuffianSoldierand i dont pay for it either05:08
RuffianSoldierBittorent ruleS!05:08
kensaiRuffianSoldier: I keep my box clean by not installing XP in it :P05:08
Agabushey people, i just booted up ubuntu and i'm running synaptic for the first time, should i add any new repositories to the list to download stuff that isnt in the default ones??05:08
kensaiAgabus: Did you uncomment the reps in sources.list?05:09
RuffianSoldierPeople have to be stupid to pay for Windows.  MS is such a bastard corperation, and they make stuff up about Linux being 10 times as expensive.  So I dont pay for there stuff05:09
bob2RuffianSoldier: please, this is not a warez channel.05:10
kensaiRuffianSoldier: This is piracy so don't talk about it here05:10
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bob2Agabus: universe and multiverse might have stuff you want, but remember that they are not supported05:10
Agabuskensai: i havnt dont anything at all yet really, and im pretty noob at synaptec so i dunno wat u mean05:10
RuffianSoldierhmmm, bob2, whats multiverse?05:10
kensaiAgabus: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list and in there just erase the # of some of the links05:11
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Agabuskensai: what does that do?05:11
kensaiIt adds all the packages05:11
RuffianSoldierAgabus, good stuff05:11
Agabusk ill try05:12
bob2RuffianSoldier: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-20.122809024705:12
hectorvshow do i know if i have java installed correctly? (i want to install azureus)05:12
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kensaiAgabus: once you do it tell me what you did so I make sure you don't screw your ubuntu05:12
bob2erm, encourgaging people to use universe and multiverse for no reason seems a bit silly05:12
RuffianSoldierMy ubuntu install on my desktop linux box had no errors, all i had to do was enable universe in synaptic and everything was up and running. Also apt-get update and apt-get upgrade05:13
kensaibob2: sorry I just want to let people use their rights LOL05:13
Lord_ViperHey guys is there a changelog other than the email list for Hoary?05:13
kensaibob2: He asked to have more packages05:13
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bob2kensai: it's not about rights05:13
RageMaxis there some way I could write a script to automatically clean up icons every time an icon is added or removed in a directory?05:13
kensaibob2: yeah I know sorry05:13
Agabusok i deleted 2 #'s from to urls in the file, then saved it05:14
kensaithey said universe at the end?05:14
bob2RageMax: how do you mean "clean up"?05:14
AgabusCouldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)05:14
bob2Lord_Viper: there's the page describing the plans for it05:14
bob2Agabus: run "apt-get update" or synaptic update05:15
kensaiAgabus: apt-get update05:15
kensaiit will be fixed or just reload05:15
Lord_Viperk, thx Bob205:15
RageMaxbob2: "Clean up by name" in the context menu in nautilus05:15
Agabushow much will it download?05:15
bob2kensai: no05:15
bob2Agabus: a few megabytes05:15
Agabusi try apt-get update from the terminal and its like could not open lock file05:16
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bob2"sudo apt-get update"05:16
kensaibob2: ok I'm sleepy sorry05:16
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Agabussweet its doin somethin05:16
kensaiI might need a cup of coffe05:16
Agabuswat exactly is it doin?05:16
kensaiAgabus: retrieving packages from the universe05:17
bob2kensai: no05:17
bob2Agabus: it's downloading the lists of available packages.05:17
kensaibob2: AHHH I give up then05:17
Agabuslol oh ok05:17
kensaibob2: Thats what I meant to say05:18
Agabusso couldn't i have been able to do this from within synaptec05:18
kensaiAgabus: yes05:18
Agabuslol ok05:18
RuffianSoldierconsole is best05:18
bob2Agabus: as I said 'or synaptic update'05:18
Agabusoh k\05:18
Agabuswell i opened synaptec now and it showed no errors05:18
PizbitAgabus: Yeah you could, hit reload05:18
Agabuscan i now download previously unavailable packages?05:19
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kensaiAgabus: yes05:19
bob2Agabus: well, some of them05:19
Agabusi wanna get rhythmbox working with mp3s05:19
bob2Agabus: you don't universe or multiverse for that05:19
kensaiKool I answered and bob2 didn't said no to me ;)05:19
bob2if you'd just asked that to begin with05:19
bob2install gstreamer0.8-mad from main05:19
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Agabusno, that wasnt all i wanted to do but ok05:20
kensai<Agabus> hey people, i just booted up ubuntu and i'm running synaptic for the first time, should i add any new repositories to the list to download stuff that isnt in the default ones??05:20
kensaithats part of it ^05:20
bob2yes, I know05:20
despso...I installed both gvlc and gnome-vlc...but they both look out-of-place on my Ubuntu desktop05:21
despwhat's up with that?05:21
bob2desp: it's a gtk1.2 program05:21
bob2totem is the gnome2 video player05:21
kensaiwhy can't totem be removed?05:22
Agabusis there a way to set the default media player to rhythm box?05:22
despa pity that I haven't figured out yet how to make it play .avi files05:22
bob2kensai: of course it can be removed05:22
bob2desp: install totem-xine05:22
bob2desp: as wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats says05:22
despI see05:22
kensaiIt depends on ubuntu-desktop and says it will be removed05:22
Pizbitkensai: That's safe05:22
Pizbitubuntu-desktop = meta package05:23
bob2kensai: yes, but it's safe to remove ubuntu-desktop05:23
kensaican I remove ubuntu-desktop which effect will it take?05:23
Pizbitkensai: None:)05:23
kensaiNothing or just little bit?05:23
bob2Pizbit: that's not quite true05:23
PizbitZip! Nada! Zilch!:)05:23
kensaiwhy is it there then?05:23
Pizbitbob2: Blah, hasn't hurt anyone yet eh?:)05:24
bob2kensai: it means you won't get future ubuntu desktop packages installed automatically05:24
kensaierrrmmm? and?05:24
bur[n] erwhy remove totem anyway?05:24
bur[n] eri like totem05:24
bob2kensai: it's there to Depend on all the basic desktop stuff, so you only need to install one package05:24
Agabusubuntu looks so much nicer than mandrake :D05:24
Pizbitbur[n] er: He's not, he's changing it to totem-xine05:24
kensaicause totem does absolutely nothing it has no codecs for mpegs05:24
tsengtotem-xine can use w32codecs05:25
bob2it does lots05:25
Pizbitkensai: You could just install xine-ui and use xine, plus the w32codecs package from the marillat repository05:25
kensaiPizbit: thanks05:25
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Pizbitkensai: Just be sure to change files to open with xine (rigth click -> open with type in xine) :)05:26
despwhen I was installing vlc using synaptic, it installed a few other packages as well.  now when I select vlc for complete removal, it only wants to remove wxvlc as well.  how can I get synaptic to purge all unnecessary packages, such as the vlc dependencies that are no longer needed?05:26
WWbob2: Just curious about that ubunut-desktop thing... what are the chances that the packages on which ubuntu-desktop depends will change in warty?05:26
bob2desp: I don't believe synaptic can do that.  deboprhan can, and if you use aptitude it happens automatically.05:27
bob2WW: in warty? 0.000000%.  in hoary, pretty good.05:27
despbob2: I'm totally new to debian. can you elaborate a bit?05:27
bob2in fact, it has changed in hoary already, iirc05:27
WWbob2: That's about what I figured.  Thanks.05:27
despI'm pretty much new to linux, as well05:29
bob2desp: which bit?05:29
despdeborphan -- can I just use it without any worries?05:29
bob2debfoster does a simlar deal, I think05:29
despboth seem to be not installed, though05:29
Pizbitdesp: Install them if you want:)05:29
despaight ;)05:29
despso aptitude's better than synaptic?05:29
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kensaibob2: ubuntu-desktop has a new version should I upgrade to it in hoary?05:30
bob2I certainly prefer aptitude05:30
RuffianSoldierI am commensing my vector/libranet linux easy dual boot experiment!!05:30
Pizbitdesp: It's a lot less intuitive05:30
PizbitAlthough I hear synaptic is due for some changes for hoary, not sure what they are05:30
kensaibob2: it removes something like libfam0.......05:30
bob2kensai: not unless you're already running hoary05:30
kensaiyeah I'm runing hoary05:30
RuffianSoldiernot possible!05:31
despah btw05:31
bob2RuffianSoldier: please chill out05:31
bob2kensai: don't think it depends on anything more interesting yet05:31
despis there a way to force synaptic to use the system terminal font?05:31
RuffianSoldierbob2, hey, im fine dude, i am chill like an ice burg!05:31
kensaibob2: it says to be removed libdfam0c10205:31
bob2RuffianSoldier: you just seem to get very loud about trivial things05:31
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RuffianSoldierbob2, sorry :-/05:32
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bob2RuffianSoldier: dude.05:32
kensaibob2: is it safe to remove?05:32
bob2RuffianSoldier: it's IRC.05:32
bob2kensai: if you agree that it's not forcing anything you want out, yes05:33
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ysHow can I make VLC my default player? I'm using gnome 2.8.05:34
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PizbitRight click -> 'open with' and type in the command to run vlc05:35
PizbitAlternatively: Right click -> Properties -> 'Open With' tab -> Add it, tick the radio button for it.05:35
kensaidoes instaling w32codecs give totem the ability to play mpegs and all that?05:37
RuffianSoldiersnd im back!05:37
Pizbitkensai: Only totem-xine I  believe05:37
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kensaibut totem-xine wants to remove my ubuntu-desktop05:37
PizbitSo let it, or use plain xine05:38
ysPizbit: I want it to open all movie files with VLC as it's default.  Not just one file.05:38
kensaithen I'll use xine05:38
Pizbitys: That will set it for the file type, not that file itself05:38
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kensaiBye and thanks guys05:40
RageMaxis it even possible to set a program for a single file?05:40
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PizbitRageMax: Depends, if it's a script you change the #! line, else you might just have to code the feature in, I havn't seen it yet(doesn't mean it aint there though...)05:40
RuffianSoldierdamn my sholder hurts05:42
hectorvshow the funk does one start bit-tornado?05:42
PizbitGot the gui part too it?05:42
hectorvsi installed it from the universe, but i cant find the bin... ?05:43
hectorvsyeah, i installed both05:43
PizbitI just clicked on a link in firefox and it worked;)05:43
hectorvslemme see05:43
despwhat do you guys use as a terminal?05:43
despthe default terminal already crashed twice for me :/05:43
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Pizbithectorvs: bt<tab>05:43
Pizbitdesp: gnome-terminal05:43
hectorvsPizbit: i get alot of things05:44
hectorvsall bt related05:44
despPizbit: that's the one05:44
Pizbithectorvs: Yeah, try figure out which one it is heh, I think I found it once:)05:44
hectorvsthats the one, i found it05:45
hectorvsjust as you typed it05:45
PizbitI didn't type, I pasted:)05:45
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hectorvshey Pizbit, do you know how to make a bash script?05:47
PizbitBarely touched them05:47
hectorvsi want to make a script that detects the essid of the wireless network i happen to be in so it can configure itself05:47
RuffianSoldierhectorvs, I do, but it depends on what your trying to get done?05:47
RuffianSoldierhectorvs, oh, im a fan of WiFi, but havent messed with it in linux05:48
hectorvsi move alot between networks and its a pain to set them up manually05:48
RuffianSoldierfeel ya ther05:49
hectorvsRuffianSoldier, hmm... what happens is that if i have a config for network A and then turn on the comp while being in network B, the bootup process will hang until i hit ctrl-c05:49
hazmathectorvs, there is a wireless bash script for gentoo you might be able to google for which does it05:49
hectorvshazmat, yeah i think i saw it too... lemme take a looksee, see how it goes and Ill post it in the forums05:50
hectorvsalot of people are having this problems, so it seems05:50
hazmatpls do so on the mailing list as well05:50
despI added "deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main05:52
PizbitChange unstable to testing05:53
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despto my /etc/apt/sources.list, did a reload, but I still can't see the packages05:53
despPizbit: why?05:53
PizbitBecause mplayer packages require stuff newer than what's in universe iirc05:53
despPizbit: isn't unstable newer than testing?05:54
PizbitThat's exactly what I'm referring too.05:54
despPizbit: also, testing only has i386 binaries, while I'm on PowerPC05:54
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despI thought that since unstable also has sources, apt-get would be smart enough to get them and compile them, but it seems that I'm wrong05:55
jdubdesp: "can't see"?05:55
jdubdesp: apt-get source <package>05:55
despjdub: "can't see" as in "not in the synaptic package list"05:56
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jdubdesp: synaptic lists binary packages, not sources05:57
Pizbitdesp: It is smart enough, but it doesn't help if the newer packages aren't in any of the lists, but do go on, I havn't touched PPC05:57
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despI see05:57
bob2Pizbit: there's lots of us05:57
despthere would probably be more if OldWorld PPC was officially supported05:58
Pizbitbob2: Why?:)05:58
bob2desp: oldworld ppc is not going to have much fun with gnome2.805:58
despbob2: really?05:58
bob2Pizbit: cheap, fast, pretty, light, long battery life05:58
despI'm running Warty on an OldWorld PowerMac 7300 with a G4/450 upgrade card05:58
desp288MB RAM05:59
bob2heh, old world g405:59
bob2didnt' consider that05:59
despplenty of those05:59
bob2but it's pretty easy to install debian on them and dist-upgrade if you want to05:59
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bob2well, compared to the number of new world g4s, there really isn't that many05:59
bob2but it could happen for hoary if people can help out06:00
despare there really that many people with new macs that prefer running linux instead of OS X?06:00
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despsomehow, I doubt it06:00
bob2I bought a brand new mac to run ubuntu on it06:00
despwell, obviously you are a maniac ;)06:01
DracosXheh, I was considering doing that very same thing06:01
mitochondyuhi all06:01
mitochondyunewb here06:01
despbut I'm interested to know your reasoning06:01
DracosXpersonally, I prefer gnome to aqua, and linux to darwin, but ppc to x8606:02
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AlohaWolfcan someone send me a copy of their XF86Config-4, preferably someone who hasnt edited it since they installed?06:04
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despis anyone here using mac-on-linux?06:08
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attitudeI can not seem to get gdesklets to display06:09
attitudeany ideas06:09
RageMaxsweet, someone fixed the clock applet problem already06:10
hectorvsguys, i found the wireless config script06:10
AlohaWolfI think everyone is asleep06:10
attitudeAlohaWolf: darn06:10
hectorvsnow, i need some help in implementing it to ubuntu and debian in general06:10
DracosXattitude: any particular display/sensor that isn't working, or just gdesklets in general?06:10
AlohaWolfdoes anyone know how to access the autoconfig script that is used to setup X during the install?06:10
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attitudeDracosX: when i start it I can do ps - ef | grep gdesklets and I see the proc but it never displays anything06:11
attitudeDracosX: even after 20 min06:11
DracosXhave you loaded any displays?06:11
shank_does ubuntu have a net install?06:11
nomasteryodasudo network-admin06:11
AlohaWolfattitude, can you send me a copy of your XF86Config-4, I cant seem to get 3D to work properly after playing with the ATI drivers, so now im trying to go back to the original one06:11
attitudeDracosX: loaded a display?06:11
DracosXsudo apt-get install gdesklets-data06:11
DracosXthen look under /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays06:11
nomasteryodai'm doing mine right now06:12
attitudeAlohaWolf: Mine is using nvida06:12
AlohaWolfattitude, just so long as its the default one generated by the installer, I can fix that part06:12
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despcan someone send me a fresh /etc/vnc.conf file?06:15
despor will it regenerate automatically somehow?06:15
bob2please don't delete files from /etc, ever06:15
despbob2: I promise.06:16
bob2now, dpkg -P vnc --force-depends ; apt-get install vnc06:16
bob2where "vnc" is the name of the package it came from06:17
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encryptiowhoa, i'll ask again, just incase.06:17
encryptioAnyone on a ppc here?06:17
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Opiat3how can i boot to a terminal?06:17
gloin_sup all06:17
attitudeDracosX: Sorry I got droped for some reason. I have already got the gdesklets-data and I can see the Displays06:17
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DracosXright click on a display and go to open with06:17
gloin_so how the heck do I bring up the menu editor?06:17
DracosXtype in gdesklets06:17
gloin_and also06:17
Pizbitgloin_: Right click in the sub menus06:18
gloin_how do I get the file browser to quit acting like Mac System 7?06:18
DracosXthen just double click on any display to load it06:18
bob2encryptio: just ask your question06:18
encryptioi want to know how to do a firewire mount (lin/ppc)06:18
gloin_Pizbit: thanks06:18
bob2encryptio: plug it in.  it should mount.06:18
encryptioit's not06:18
attitudeDracosX: I do not get a display06:18
Pizbitgloin_: Do you mean change it to browser mode? Look in the preferences, always use browser I think it's called06:18
gloin_Pizbit: no, I mean when it's browsing files, I don't want it to open a new window everytime I open a folder06:19
despgloin_: in preferences/behaviour select "always open in browser windows"06:19
RageMaxoh crap, now the calendar app won't pull tasks from the evolution dataserver06:19
gloin_ok lol06:19
gloin_how do I get to "preferences?"06:19
despopen a browser window ;)06:19
encryptiobob2: i'm not sure what the /dev is, so I can't mount it manually.06:19
bob2gloin_: ctrl-l preferences:///06:19
gloin_ahh got it06:19
bob2or computer -> desktop preferences06:20
attitudeDracosX: nothing opens on my screen at all when I type gdesklets in a term06:20
bob2encryptio: tail -f /var/log/messages06:20
=== gloin_ still thinks gnome was smoking crack on that decision
DracosXit shouldn't06:20
DracosXthat starts the gdesklets "service"06:20
DracosXyou should open one of the directories under /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays06:20
DracosXthen right click on the "whatever.display" file06:21
DracosXthen go to open with06:21
hectorvsbob2, if i have a broken package how do i fix it?06:21
DracosXtype in gdesklets06:21
bob2hectorvs: don't use hoary06:21
hectorvsbob2, im not06:21
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bob2hectorvs: what packages are broken in warty?06:21
encryptiobob2: it says it's mounted, but there's no mountpoint in /media or /mnt or /06:22
bob2encryptio: what does "mount" say?06:22
hectorvsbob2, im installing packages outside the ubuntu repository, its guessnet06:22
encryptiomount what?06:22
hectorvsits marked with a red box, so i guess thats the one06:23
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bob2hectorvs: talk to whoever made those packages.06:23
bob2encryptio: the command "mount"06:23
encryptiobob2: no entry there for any drive that the filesystem is hfsplus (which the drive is)06:24
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gloin_well, if any devs are listening, aside from the annoyances of moving to gnome (which really does feel like it's about 10 years behind KDE), nice distro!  Very well executed!  Keep up the good work.  I appreciate seeing the posts on bugtraq as well - lets me know the dev team is interested in keeping up with things.06:25
bob2encryptio: there's a bug in hal (or pmount?) in warty where it won't mount ntfs partitions, maybe it affects hfs+ too06:25
bob2hahah 10 years behind.06:25
gloin_it is horrid06:26
gloin_but the distro behind it makes it worthwhile06:26
bob2ojectively bad, right06:26
despbob2: I'm mounting a hfs+ partition successfully06:26
=== encryptio would like a kde too
shank_bob2: you enjoy fisher price interfaces?06:26
shank_gloin_ you enjoy fisher price interfaces?06:26
bob2encryptio: gloin_ so use KDE06:26
nomasteryodashank_: no, that's Teletubbies06:26
bob2desp: yes, I know, but the automounting may be broken06:26
gloin_nomasteryoda: actually, Teletubbies is windows XP06:26
bob2encryptio: gloin_ it's in universe06:27
encryptiomm. there's a problem. it won't install. but no matter...06:27
=== gloin_ thinks Gnome has become way too dumbed down
gloin_bob2: it is?06:27
gloin_cool deal06:27
DracosXsudo apt-get install kde06:27
jdubgloin_: gnome is not dumbed down. it just doesn't expect you to make it work properly yourself.06:27
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encryptiobob2: how do i find out what /dev the drive is?06:27
bob2encryptio: /var/log/messages06:27
shank_well, i give up on ubuntu06:28
jdubgloin_: why force the user into understanding fifty million different options, when you can make things 'just work'?06:28
bob2gnome won't be ready for the enterprise until it has a search box in it's control panel06:28
encryptioholy crap that's a long path...06:28
bob2shank_: that's a shame.  why?06:28
gloin_jdub: gnome is so sumbed down - I'd like to be able to customize my menubar without looking in obscure, counter-intuitive places, and don't get me started about the whole win95-style filebrowser06:28
Pizbitbob2: A search box... to search what?06:28
shank_bob2: can't get it installed06:28
shank_bob2: did you use to be in the #debian channel?06:28
bob2Pizbit: the options, of course.06:29
bob2shank_: still am.06:29
jdubgloin_: the menu editing issue is well known; it's hidden because it doesn't work well.06:29
Pizbitbob2: gconf-editor ?:)06:29
shank_bob2: no bot here yet to request help from?06:29
bob2shank_: did you try the usual acpi=off, noapic sort of thing?06:29
jdubgloin_: the gtk+ 2.5 file browser is great.06:29
shank_bob2: yes06:29
encryptiobob2: the /device won't ever change, right?06:29
shank_it fails trying to fetch some pkg from the cd06:29
bob2shank_: not sure a bot would really help here, when there's so much work going ino the wiki and faq06:29
shank_and flashes the screen repeteadly06:29
bob2shank_: check the md5sum of the cd06:29
jdubPizbit: it's a joke. kde has a search tool in its kontrol thingy06:29
shank_and f4 terminal shows md4sum06:29
shank_bob2: already did06:29
shank_its fin06:29
bob2encryptio: it can change on every plug, theoretically, but probably won't06:30
shank_bob2: also tried jigdo06:30
shank_but some packages are missing06:30
Pizbitjdub: I know, but it was the nearest I can think of.06:30
shank_doesn't exactly inspire confidence06:30
bob2shank_: you md5'd the cd itself?06:30
encryptiobob2: well, it doesn't matter, because it's gone...06:30
shank_bob2: not the cd itself06:30
jdubshank_: there are no packages missing on the cd.06:30
bob2shank_: the cd has worked for literally tens of thousands of other people, it's extremely unlikely to be a bug in ubuntu.06:30
shank_jdub: um, i'm talking about jigdo06:30
gloin_well, like I said, the Gnome default is only an annoyance06:30
gloin_I'm impressed with the distro overall06:31
encryptiowhat's a "bad superblock"?06:31
shank_bob2: ok, i'll check the md5sum on the actual cd06:31
bob2shank_: check the md5sum of the iso you get, and the physical cd06:31
shank_bob2: i'm sure its prolly not worked for hundreds or thousands of ppl as well06:31
jdubgloin_: the distro is impressive because it was designed with some of the same objectives as gnome.06:31
shank_bob2: laready checked the iso06:31
gloin_jdub: ??06:31
shank_bob2: why offer the jigdo file if you can't use jigdo to construct the iso?06:32
nomasteryodashank_: I had it fail on a new dell laptop06:32
bob2shank_: please don't get that attitude06:32
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bob2shank_: if the jigdo files are buggy, please file a bug and they will be fixed06:32
nomasteryodabut it was the dvd burner ... it didn't like the CD media06:32
shank_bob2: what attitude?06:32
ysi just installed ubuntu i was wondering if it's a good idea to apt-get kde.06:32
gloin_heh ys06:32
gloin_I'm doing that right now06:33
jdubys: it works, but is unsupported.06:33
gloin_want to stick around a while I'll tell you how ti goes06:33
nomasteryodays... i did it too06:33
nomasteryodaworked fine06:33
nomasteryodabut much slower06:33
despthe RestrictedFormats wiki says: "The following repository has packages for i386 only."  does anyone know if I can find pre-made ppc packages somewhere?06:33
bob2desp: yes, go to marillat's website06:33
bob2it has the ppc url06:34
ysnomasteryoda: how fast is your puter?06:34
bob2you will need to get one package from sid before mplayer can be installed, though06:34
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encryptiobob2: when I try to mount /dev/sda (same drive according to /var/log/messages), it gives me "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, or too many..." etc. It's the right filesystem, it mounts on a mac, and the syntax is simple.06:34
bob2maybe I should have written that down06:34
Pizbitencryptio: /dev/sda1 ?06:34
bob2encryptio: erm, you don't have any partitions on that disk?06:34
bob2none at all?06:34
encryptio"/dev/sda1 doesn't exist"06:34
ysif i apt-get kde from my school which is a debian server will that matter?06:35
bob2encryptio: erm, are you trying to mount a mac disk on a pc?06:35
Pizbitys: Why not get it from universe?06:35
gloin_WOW!  I'm getting insanely fast downloads from the apt repository!  LIke a meg/sec!06:35
bob2ys: use ubuntu's universe repository06:35
encryptiobob2: linux/ppc ubuntu mounting a mac drive. short: no.06:35
ysbecause if i get it from my uni then i don't use my limited bandwidth06:35
ysofcourse :)06:35
despbob2: thanks again06:36
encryptiobob2: it worked (after tweaking) in YDL fine06:36
gloin_this totally rocks06:36
bob2ys: debian's kde packages probably won't install on warty06:36
bob2ys: and if they do, you're totally on your own06:36
gloin_anyone know of a way to get evolution2 to display the number of unreads in the titlebar the way it did in 1.x?06:37
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yshow large is KDE?06:38
gloin_but depending on where you are, the apt repository is FAST06:39
encryptioys: about 75MB binary, in my experience06:39
gloin_rutgers, it should only take about 4-5 minutes to download06:39
encryptio120mb for the whole thing06:39
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DracosX1346KB/s here06:40
DracosXit is quick tonight06:40
gloin_truly impressive06:40
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encryptiobob2: "sda: unsupported sector size 12." in /var/log/messages?06:41
encryptiobob2: "SCSI device sda: 0 12-byte hdwe sectors (0 MB)"06:42
gloin_I'll bbl for sure06:42
bob2encryptio: erm, that's odd06:43
encryptiobob2: and then many "HFS+-fs: unable to find HFS+ superblock" (?)06:43
hectorvswe need something like expos for gnome =p06:43
encryptiothat'd be so cool. we need ctrl-click = right-click too...06:43
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bob2hectorvs: it exists06:44
bob2encryptio: I don't know, sorry.  try asking on the list.06:44
despdoes anyone knows how to map my fourth and fifth mouse buttons to some actions?06:44
nomasteryodalol... Maddog Hall ... "Programmers are from Mars: Users and Managers are from Uranus" ... LOL06:44
hectorvsbob2, name?06:45
bob2hectorvs: expocity or something stupid like that06:45
hectorvsill look it up06:46
bob2it needs x.org, tho06:46
jdubnot useful at the moment06:46
bob2and xcompmgr06:46
yswhat version of kde does the universe have?06:46
hectorvsbah.... maybe in hoary06:46
jdubbob2: naw, just needs xcomposite. xcompmgr is the standalone composite manager :)06:47
jdubwarty froze in late june06:47
bob2jdub: ah06:47
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yswhere's the document that has the address for apt-get?06:50
despsynaptic crashes when I try to choose a custom terminal wont :/06:50
bob2please file a bug06:51
encryptioyou mean /etc/apt/sources.list ?06:51
bob2ys: /etc/apt/sou06:51
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nomasteryodashould there be an wlan/ath_pci and ath_hal/ath_pci loaded06:51
nomasteryodawith my wireless?06:51
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nomasteryodai have all the right settings, but it just will not talk06:52
bob2is it loaded?06:52
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AlohaWolfcan anyone send me a copy of their CF86Config-4 File, preferably one that has been unmodified since install06:53
nomasteryodalsmod ... ath_pci    50724 0 ... wlan 105564 2 ath_pci ...06:53
nomasteryodaand hal and yenta06:53
nomasteryodasame card works in suse06:53
nomasteryodaon same laptop06:53
nomasteryodadmesg says ath0: no IPv6 routers present06:54
nomasteryodais that a problem06:54
bob2AlohaWolf: why?06:54
shank_nomasteryoda: shouldn't be, unless your on a ipv6 network06:54
bob2nomasteryoda: does "ifconfig -a" have ath0 listed?06:54
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AlohaWolfbob2, because im having an issue, the xf86config installer doesnt seem to generate the same file that the installer does06:55
bob2then you just need to configure it06:55
bob2AlohaWolf: um, don't use xf86config at all06:55
nomasteryodawill try again .. manuall this time06:55
AlohaWolfbob2, any Idea's then?06:55
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bob2AlohaWolf: what are you trying to do?06:56
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encryptioalohawolf: i've stolen many a xf86configs from knoppix when they work, but that might not work for ubuntu.06:56
AlohaWolfbob2, im trying to get the 3D rendering working like it was when I installed06:57
bob2AlohaWolf: erm, why was the config modified to begin with then?06:57
New-Bhi guys....i have a newbie question :)  ....I've jsut installed ubuntu -warty, but i dont know how to load into it...i get a command prompt and all I can really do is logon using my username and password...any suggestion? :)06:57
encryptiotype "startx" and see what happens.06:58
bob2New-B: the default install logs you into X06:58
New-Btried that06:58
New-Bi tried startx....nothing happened06:58
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PizbitNew-B: /etc/init.d/gdm start  ?06:58
encryptioit just came back to a prompt without any messages at all?06:58
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AlohaWolfbob2, because I tried to use the ATI driver instead of the one that is packaged, and it performs worse then the one that comes with the machine06:58
DracosXless /var/log/XFree86.0.log06:59
bob2AlohaWolf: and you didn't back it up?06:59
AlohaWolfbob2, if I had backed it up do you think I would be asking for help right now?06:59
despbob2: the mplayer-g4 package requires newer versions of certain libraries (libartsc0, libggi2, libungif4g) than what synaptic installed06:59
bob2desp: it only required one for me06:59
New-Bencryption: it gave me an error message, which i cant remember..im not infront of that PC now.   I'll try /etc/init.d/gdm start and see what happens...thanks guys07:00
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despis there a simple way to get those newer versions installed?  I assume they're available in the unstable tree07:01
encryptiobob2: synaptic doesn't work for me. i get a blank list. everything else seems good, but the list is blank. I go to Settings>Preferences>Columns and Fonts, and see nothing's checked. I check them. I click "Apply" and "OK". They uncheck themselves.07:01
bob2desp: not without moving to hoary07:01
bob2desp: or building it from source07:02
bob2that would kind of work07:02
despencryptio: I had the same problem, then I dumped the synaptic configuration file07:02
bob2encryptio: I've never used synaptic07:02
bob2file a bug07:02
encryptiodesp: where?07:02
desp /root/.synaptic07:02
encryptioi've never used an apt-based _linux_ before..07:02
bob2synaptic has little to do with apt07:03
bob2most of it's problems are general Big GTK App problems07:03
AlohaWolfcan anyone send me a copy of their CF86Config-4 File, preferably one that has been unmodified since install?07:03
despthis is getting a little frustrating07:03
despinstalling mplayer under gentoo was an one liner07:03
bob2AlohaWolf: that will not help you07:03
encryptiothanks, it's back, desp.07:03
bob2desp: then use gentoo07:03
bob2or fix this07:04
despbob2: I thought ubuntu would be more user friendly07:04
AlohaWolfbob2, it will help me see what im messing07:04
bob2it's not very hard and everyone else will benefit07:04
AlohaWolfdesp, its not ubuntu thats not freindly its some of the people trying to be helpfull07:04
bob2AlohaWolf: a) don't ever fuck your config file deliberately. b) dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xfree86 ; apt-get install xserver-xfree8607:04
despAlohaWolf: ...?07:05
bob2desp: it is user-friendly, complain to the idiot corporations that prevent use from distributing mplayer07:05
PizbitAnyone know if there's a TV like icon somewhere in an ubuntu install?:)07:05
bob2desp: someone needs to make mplayer build on ppc warty.  someone made it work on gentoo for you already, and someone did it on ppc/sid.07:05
AlohaWolfdesp, go get mplayer source and build it yourself07:05
bob2AlohaWolf: how does that help?07:06
bob2the libraries aren't built for warty, either07:06
despbob2: unfortunately I know far too little of linux to be doing this.  I did submit a few patches for stuff I fixed for myself on gentoo, though07:06
encryptiowhoa... just loaded 3ddesktop.. kewl.07:06
encryptiois ubuntu metacity or sawfish by default?07:08
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mercurushmm ... I KNOW I've seen the answer to this question, but I can't find it ...07:10
encryptioanyone kave experience with 3ddesktop?07:11
mercurusI've downloaded a bucket-load of packages to this machine which are archived on the HDD07:11
bob2encryptio: you've been in here a while07:11
bob2mercurus: ha07:11
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bob2encryptio: have you noticed how annoying it is when people ask to ask a question, instead of just asking it?07:11
mercurushow do I generate the files required to make it a repository, so that I can point other machines to it to update ?07:11
encryptioah yes, i'll stop that... ._.07:12
bob2dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null > Packages07:12
yswhy can't i download KDE?07:12
mercurusbob2: ah ... and after that, I point other machines to: warty ?07:12
encryptioin 3ddesktop, how do I fix the "get property WIN_WORKSPACE failed - setting one" error?07:12
mercuruspackages are under /var/cache/apt/07:12
bob2ys: please read the smart qyestions faq07:13
bob2mercurus: well, you publish them somewhere with apache or whatever07:13
ysok let me clarify07:13
bob2ys: or just ask a question we can answer07:13
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Adrenalubuntu rocks07:13
ysi'm trying to install kde3 from rutgers.edu server but it's giving me dependency errors07:13
Adrenalbut how do i update gaim?07:13
encryptioapt-get upgrade gaim?07:14
bob2ys: this is a ubuntu archive, right?07:14
bob2encryptio: no, that does nothing07:14
bob2Adrenal: gaim in warty will not change07:14
ysit's debian, but the KDE is straight from KDE07:14
despencryptio: how did you use 3ddesktop?07:14
ysnot patched for debian07:14
bob2ys: come on07:15
despI mean -- encryptio: what did you do after installing it?07:15
yshit me with some knowledge07:15
encryptiodesp: I installed it, and i read the readme to get it running. (3ddesk --aquire, then 3ddesk)07:15
Pizbitys: You're best getting it from universe07:15
ysit's 3.107:15
despheh. the readme. right, I am silly07:15
ysi want 3.307:15
bob2ys: I told you not to do that07:15
PizbitI thought it was 3.2 in universe?07:16
bob2ys: and that if you broke, you were on your own07:16
bob2so, now you get to keep both pieces07:16
bob2use the version from universe, pleeeeeease07:16
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ysit's 3.2?07:16
bob2I have no idea07:17
yshow can i check?07:17
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PizbitLook in synaptic07:17
mercurusbob2: I need to run an httpd ... given this is purely LAN based ... can I not use NFS ?07:17
jdubthe version from warty universe is not 3.207:17
ysit just says kde desktop enviornmeny07:17
PizbitNah, looks like 3.1 (apt-cache show)07:17
ysjdub what version is it?07:17
bob2it's 3.1.207:17
AlohaWolfbob2 thanks07:17
jdub$ apt-cache show kde-core | grep ^Version07:17
jdubVersion: 4:3.1.207:17
bob2mercurus: if you like07:17
ys3.1.2 is old07:17
mercuruseg. remotely mount the /var/cache/apt/archives directory complete with a generated Packages file and point it there ?07:17
encryptioi'm showing 3.2.1 and 3.2.3 packages for kde07:18
bob2encryptio: are you using warty?07:18
bob2mercurus: erm, I guess so07:18
bob2mercurus: wait, no, don't do that07:18
bob2mercurus: copy them elsewhere and share that07:18
encryptiobob2: i think so, it's the release, right?07:18
bob2encryptio: apt-cache show kde-core | grep ^Version07:18
despokay...I launched 3ddesktop and my monitor went into overdrive :P07:19
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despI had to kill the X server07:19
encryptiobob2: i just looked at the list of packages in synaptic now that i have it working07:19
despso...obviously I have something set up incorrectly07:20
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ysi'm off to bed07:20
ysnight all07:20
despany ideas?07:20
mercurusbob2: symlink acceptable or need to move them ?07:20
ysi'm going to wait till 3.3.1 is updated on the server07:21
ysi'm fine with gnomer07:21
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bob2encryptio: so use it07:22
bob2ys[bed] : 3.3.1 will never be in warty07:22
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theBishopthe installer isn't working for me07:22
theBishopit only detects the main HD07:23
theBishopwhich has partitions i don't want to delete07:23
theBishopit doesn't find the free space07:23
bob2please ask on the list07:23
theBishopso there's no solution?07:23
ys[bed] :07:23
ys[bed] :07:23
encryptiobob2: "Package k3b is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may bean that the package is missing" etc. "E: Package k3b has no installation canidate"07:23
bob2why do you say that?07:23
bob2encryptio: it's in universe.07:23
despcan someone tell me where should I setup my monitor resolution/refresh modes?07:23
theBishopi'm asking07:24
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hypa7iatheBishop: not necessarily, but that's kind of a big issue and it's be useful to ask on the list :-)07:24
theBishopwhat's this cannel for if not help?07:24
bob2theBishop: I'm sure there is a solution, but I don't know it and I doubt anyone else does07:24
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hypa7iaif it's asked on the list it gets documented immediately as well07:24
bob2on the list you can get help from hopefully the installer team07:24
hypa7iaand i don't have a clue either :-)07:24
hypa7iadoes knoppix or anything see it?07:24
encryptiobob2: i only have k3b-i18n (language files) in apt.07:24
encryptiobob2: i have universe and multiverse enabled.07:25
bob2encryptio: ok, but k3b is universe.07:25
bob2encryptio: you're using hoary?07:25
encryptioi don't see it anywhere in my apt.. could be that stupid bug again.07:25
encryptiohoary? i don't think so.. i don't know what it is.07:26
mercurustheBishop: you may have to pass kernel options when you boot the installer ... press F1 when it boots up07:26
encryptiothe dev ubuntu?07:26
bob2encryptio: the development branch, yes07:26
encryptionope, warty.07:26
hypa7iatheBishop: did you have any luck seeing the drive with any livecd distros?07:27
despcan someone tell me how to let linux know that I want to use only a few certain display modes, such as 1024x768@85Hz?07:27
despand to make it use only those modes, and not try any other ones?07:27
crimsundesp: only specify 85 for VertRefresh and only specify 1024x768 as a Mode07:28
despcrimsun: aight, but specify -- how? where?07:29
encryptiostupid bug.. i don't see trackballs either..07:29
hypa7iadesp: try running sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8607:30
hypa7iaabd walk through that07:30
hypa7iadid i get the command right anyone?07:30
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hacked`how can i tell what wireless driver im using?07:33
hypa7ialsmod maybe hacked`?07:33
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hacked`orinoco, orinoco_cs, hermes07:33
hacked`dont know which one of those07:33
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hacked`what version of orinoco07:34
hacked`cause i have to patch it07:34
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hacked`in order to set it to monitor mode07:34
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crimsundesp: you can use the dpkg-reconfigure command as hypa7ia suggested, or manually edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-407:34
c7_hi, i'm trying to run doom but when i try to run the game it says "+set tty to 0 to disable"07:35
c7_how do i set tty = 0?07:35
encryptiocorrect me if i'm wrong.. ctrl-alt-f2? then ctrl-alt-f7 to go back?07:36
hacked`what version of the wireless driver do i have guys07:37
sAlTaIrhi all anyone who install ubuntu to usb hd success07:38
hypa7iagimme a sec hacked`- i'm running the same drivers so i'll have a look :-)07:38
hacked`thanks hypa07:38
hypa7iano problemo :-)07:38
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despwell, I did the dpkg-reconfigure, but I don't see any difference in the Screen Resolution panel in gnome -- it still doesn't know that my monitor can run 640x480@120Hz, for instance07:39
encryptioisn't that what you wanted?07:40
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despI want to be able to use these modes: 640x480@120Hz, 800x600@100Hz, 1024x768@85Hz. none other.07:40
encryptiowhoa! usb thumbdrive plug@play! i'm impressed.07:40
despI can't seem to find a way to specify a refresh rate and a resolution at the same time in the xfree86 config file07:41
hypa7iayeah, i've been so totally impressed with the automounting07:41
sAlTaIri install ubuntu to my 8G usb hd but cant boot from it07:41
hypa7iahacked`: i totally can't figure out how to find the driver versions :-(07:41
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encryptiosAlTaIr, there aren't any usb firmware (bios) drivers.07:42
sAlTaIrencryptio,  grub >07:42
hacked`hypa, how did you get it in monitor mode07:42
sAlTaIri think must rebuild kernel07:43
encryptiosAlTaIr, still, it's unlikely that you'll find any usb drivers for a bootloader.07:43
hypa7iahacked`: i haven't tried yet... it's low on the priority list :-(07:43
despcrimsun: help!07:45
crimsundesp: you can constrain them using specific Modes07:46
despcrimsun: I specified 85,100,120 as VertRefresh, which helped as far as getting rid of all the modes with refresh rates lower than 85. still, I can't access the higher ones07:46
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crimsunModes "1024x768@85" "800x600@100" "640x480@120"07:47
crimsunif you use that syntax, you'll need to reset VertRefresh to the full range07:47
crimsunor use 85-12007:47
crimsun(not really here, cooking spaghetti)07:48
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robertjokay, i'm formally on the adict train now07:51
robertjIt's 2 am and I've got third party and houry sources in my list ;)07:51
hypa7iaheheh, nice robertj :-)07:52
mercurushmm ...07:52
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mercurusI don't want to install mplayer (I already have totem-xine working nicely) but I would like plugin support with mozilla ... any thoughts ?07:52
mercurusthere's a fedora core package, but even once run through alien and installed no joy07:53
mercurusmozplugger is installed, but doesn't include multimedia stuff07:53
mercurusie. no totem link07:53
hypa7iano clue, elseways07:54
mercurusobviously someone has begun writing a plugin for mozilla to link the two ... but I can't find src nor cvs ... only the fedora package07:54
hypa7iale boo.  what's it called?07:54
Tsjoklatmercurus does your totem-xine play .avi?07:54
mercurusTsjoklat: haven't tested it ...07:55
mercurusbut I'm trying to play wmvs ...07:55
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TsjoklatI am a bit reluctant to install mplayer07:55
Tsjoklattoo much choice07:55
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mercurusTsjoklat: I figure I have a working player that is integrated into Ubuntu ... all I need is the glue to attach it to firefox07:55
hypa7iaweird eh encryptio?07:56
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Tsjoklatmercurus makes sense07:57
New-Bhi guys...I still cant load into ubuntu.  startx returns "command not found", and /etc/init.d/gdm start returns "No such file or directory"07:57
Tsjoklatthe new firefox can't keep pages loaded mmm07:57
Tsjoklatmercurus are you using hoary?07:57
encryptioi'm doing an experiment for myself to see if I can use linux as my main os for 3 weeks07:57
bob2New-B: you did a default install of ubuntu, right?07:57
New-Bbob2 yes i did07:57
mercurusTsjoklat: not yet ... up to date Warty though07:58
bob2New-B: then something is very very wrong07:58
New-Bbob2: do u think it worth a reinstall?07:58
Tsjoklatah okay trying to find someone that is on hoary07:58
Tsjoklatto test something out for me07:58
bob2New-B: what does "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1 | awk '{ print $3}'" print out?07:59
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bob2Tsjoklat: just ask your question07:59
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Tsjoklatbob2 I upgraded to hoary and can not drag files into the trash applet anymore07:59
despokay, I screwed up the XF86Config-4 file, and restarted X08:00
Tsjoklatwas wondering if anyone else has this 'issue'08:00
hypa7iaencryptio: i'm doing a similar thing... it's been a month so far :-)08:00
Tsjoklatwouldn't call it a problem08:00
bob2Tsjoklat: if someone had noticed, hopefully they'd have reported it to the BTS08:00
New-Bbob2: 2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu208:00
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despI got told that GDM is disabled for now, until I fix the XF86Config-4 file.  I fixed it.  how do I reenable GDM?08:00
TsjoklatI am starting to feel that I am the only one08:00
sAlTaIrapt-get update -> Temporary failure resolving 'archive.ubuntu.com'08:00
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encryptioset up your dns servers right?08:01
DracosXdesp: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart08:01
bob2Tsjoklat: erm, so you checked the BTS and no one else has reported it?08:02
TsjoklatI can't find it, no08:03
bob2Tsjoklat: so why don't you report it?08:03
despDracosX: thanks08:04
TsjoklatI posted it on the forums in hope that someone has the same problem08:04
DracosXquite welcome ;)08:04
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bob2Tsjoklat: erm, bugzilla is where people capable of fixing bugs will be looking08:04
bob2the forums are sometimes a bit of the blind leading the blind08:04
Tsjoklatwell bob2 to tell you the truth I have no idea how to do it08:05
bob2go to bugzilla.ubuntu.com, make an account (yes, it sucks), report the bug08:05
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sAlTaIrencryptio, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main08:06
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bob2sAlTaIr: how do you connect to the internet?08:07
JaraminLittle probelm with Hoary, maybe someone can help. When I go into menus that ask for my password (anything you have to sudo for actually), it asks me again when I close the window. If I reenter it, it reopens it. Just weird.08:07
bob2Jaramin: please file a bug08:07
bob2(if no one else has)08:07
Tsjoklatah seb was so kind to file it for me08:07
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desp"glXIsDirect failed, no Direct Rendering possible!" "3ddeskd: Please configure hardware acceleration.  Exiting."08:08
encryptiowhat's the difference between "deb ht...warty main restricted" and "deb ht...warty main"?08:08
Jaraminbob2: I'll check, but I wanted to know if anyone else had the same problem here08:08
despany ideas?08:08
encryptiodesp: glxgears works?08:09
hypa7iaencryptio: restricted = non-Free, but supported by the decels08:09
hypa7iaerr devels08:09
bob2encryptio: main and restricted are different sections of the archive08:09
encryptiowhoa.. i don't have "warty main"... that's a problem, right?08:09
despencryptio: "357 frames in 7.0 seconds = 51.000 FPS"08:10
bob2we can't guess what your sources.list line looks like08:10
encryptioslow as hell...08:10
bob2you'd have to show us08:10
encryptiobob2: it's the cdrom.08:10
hypa7iaencryptio: yes, quite possibly08:10
bob2encryptio: again, we can't guess08:10
sAlTaIrbob2, i connect to internel by GPRS08:10
bob2the cdrom sources.list lines have a slightly different format08:10
despbob2: do you know if I can get hardware acceleration on ppc with an ATI Radeon 7000?08:10
bob2sAlTaIr: is your network connection working at all?08:10
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bob2desp: no.08:11
despargh, why not?08:11
encryptiobob2: "deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview powerpc Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted "08:11
bob2desp: because I'venever needed to know if it's supported or not08:11
bob2encryptio: that is fine08:11
despah, so you don't know. okay08:11
bob2sAlTaIr: what does "host archive.ubuntu.com" say?08:11
bob2desp: that's what I said08:12
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despyeah, I parsed it wrong08:12
encryptiois it ok to change that to the archive.ubuntu.com warty main?08:12
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bob2encryptio: for the cd? no.08:12
bob2encryptio: if you want to use the internet mirrors, just uncomment the existing lines for them08:12
encryptiodo i need "warty main" alongside "warty main restricted"?08:13
despjesus farking christ, I don't even know what to do to "set up hardware acceleration"08:13
hypa7iadesp: ATI?08:14
encryptiobob2: /etc/apt/sources.list08:14
despATI Radeon 700008:14
hypa7iai can walk you through it if it's ATI because i need to get mine going08:14
bob2encryptio: you keep asking vague questions without giving usany information08:14
bob2encryptio: if you want comments on your sources.list, put it online or paste it to #flood08:14
desphypa7ia: a push in the right direction should be enough08:14
encryptiobob2: http://interweb.us/~encryptio/sources.list.txt08:16
encryptiodo i need a line like "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main"?08:17
sAlTaIrno service could be reached08:18
bob2encryptio: that's fine08:18
hypa7iadesp: have you had a look at the howto here?08:18
bob2sAlTaIr: your dns setup is broken08:18
bob2hypa7ia: are you *sure* you need firegl for acceleration on a radeon 7000?08:19
encryptiothat's fine as in "it's fine, you can add it" or that's fine as in "the file is fine as it is"08:19
encryptioi'm just trying to make sure08:19
hypa7iabob2: it's in the first 4 lines of the howto, yes08:19
bob2encryptio: it's fine08:20
bob2randomly changing it will serve no purpose08:20
encryptioallrighty then.08:20
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desphypa7ia: is the firegl driver even available for ppc?08:21
GammaRayanyone know of a way to change the kde theme w/out installing all of kde?08:21
hypa7iaoh shit desp, i don't know08:21
GammaRaysorta like gtk-theme-switch08:21
despapt-get can't find the package listed in the howto08:21
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bob2desp: no, it's not08:22
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gloin_KDE rocks on ubuntu =] 08:24
gloin_a few apps not integrated, but no big08:25
gloin_ok, dumb question time - How do I install .dep packages of particular apps that I really want? (understanding, of course, that they are not supported)08:28
bob2.deb, you mean08:28
bob2sudo dpkg -i blah.deb08:28
gloin_err, yeah08:28
bob2which may or may not work for random .debs08:29
gloin_it'll either work or it won't08:29
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gloin_it works =] 08:30
Burgundaviagloin_: better to search for it in repos before downloading something08:30
gloin_Burgundavia: cedega?08:30
gloin_something tells me it's not in the universe08:30
bob2it would be if transgaming weren't such asshats08:31
bob2well, multiverse08:31
gloin_poor bob08:31
laodoes anybody know, how to change resollution ?08:31
bob2poor me?  you're the one who wants it.08:31
Burgundaviatransgaming are aholes08:31
gloin_transgaming, asshats or not, produce a .dep package, and I can report here that it does work08:31
bob2gloin_: how much did it cost you?08:31
BurgundaviaI feel ashamed that they are Canadian08:32
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bob2ah, so you pirated it08:32
Pizbitlao: Computer -> System Configureation -> Screen Resolution08:32
Burgundavialao: system configuration --> screen resolution08:32
gloin_I have a legal license, thanks.08:32
gloin_bob2: but thanks for trying to lay that trap for me08:33
despso in order to have DRI, it seems that I must have X set to use fbdev08:33
despand VertRefresh needs to be given as a range: 85-12008:33
despbut then, when I launch 3ddeskd, it immediately chooses a mode that my monitor doesn't support08:34
encryptiodo you have mesa loaded?08:35
despeven though I specified in the Modes section only three modes that my monitor definitely supports08:35
desphow do I check that?08:35
bob2you don't need to "load mesa"08:35
despyeah, it doesn't seem to be a requirement for fucking choosing a correct resolution/refresh mode08:36
sAlTaIrbob2, i change my resolv.conf , work now, 3x08:36
bob2sAlTaIr: cool08:36
encryptiodesp: it's trying to switch to 3d mode.08:36
sAlTaIrsorry 4 my poor english08:36
despencryptio: my monitor can onyl display 2d images, afaik.08:36
encryptiodesp: probably the videocard screwing around rather than your monitro08:37
Lord_ViperDoes the ATI 3D driver cover the Ati Rage M4 chips?08:37
hypa7iaLord_Viper: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto08:37
hypa7iai don't think so08:37
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encryptioanyone know why oggs play 2x faster when outputting to alsa rather than oss? (xmms)08:40
Tsjoklathey weasello :)08:40
weaselloI'm about to install Ubuntu and I hate jerks and like friendlies. Will I regret this? :)08:40
hypa7iaweasello: there are many friendlies here :-)08:41
hypa7iaeven if some (me) don't know too much08:41
GammaRayI just installed something w/ a whole lot of deps. Is there anyway to remove it and all the deps?08:42
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bob2GammaRay: debfoster08:42
bob2GammaRay: in future, use aptitude08:42
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GammaRaybob2: hard to do over ssh :-P08:42
bob2GammaRay: aptitude is trivial to use over ssh08:42
encryptioaptitude=terminal app08:42
|trey|weasello, well, if you do experiance such problems, there are structures in place to report it and have it sorted out correctly  :)08:42
Tsjoklatnot only are they nice in here but we have trey.. our own channel hunk08:43
bob2hunk of what?08:43
|trey|Tsjoklat, 8)08:43
Tsjoklat<-- Trey's cheerleader08:43
Tsjoklathunk of gorgeous male08:43
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GammaRaybob2: I'm I missing the cmdline version or something?08:43
hypa7iahahaha so okay, i think we are already the mac of linux08:44
hypa7iai got totally laughed at today at the 2600 meet08:44
|trey|Tsjoklat, you better not have a penis, else this is where I get scared and make up an excuse to find something else to do  ;)08:44
bob2GammaRay: yes.08:44
GammaRayusing X apps over ssh in my situation is a pain08:44
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Tsjoklatno way trey!08:44
bob2GammaRay: are you confusing it with synaptic?08:44
hypa7iaeveryone was like, har har ubuntu, gentoo is TEH R0X0R08:44
|trey|Tsjoklat, k good, now I am not so worried  8)08:44
bob2gentoo users are notoriously irritating like that08:44
GammaRaybob2: yes I am08:44
hypa7iai'm like, WTF ever, it actually works in less than 3 DAYS08:44
TsjoklatI would pull me knickers down but kinda hard to dcc that08:45
bob2GammaRay: ah08:45
TreenaksTsjoklat: no digicam? :P08:45
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Tsjoklatnot working in ubu :P08:45
|trey|Tsjoklat, whoa, way too much info  ;)08:45
Tsjoklatfix it trey! LOL08:45
GammaRaybob2: thanks.. I'm new at this debian thing08:45
bob2GammaRay: ah08:45
Tsjoklathow is that trey? I haven't showed you anything.. yet hahah08:45
TsjoklatI got a cam but ubu does not like it08:45
Tsjoklatkeeps puking it out08:45
|trey|Tsjoklat, mainly cuz easy chicks are no fun... *nods*08:46
TreenaksTsjoklat: what kind of cam?08:46
weaselloAnyone here know of a way to install Ubuntu on my system here? I don't have a CD burner, grr08:46
TsjoklatTreenaks :)08:46
Tsjoklata very crapy Logitech08:46
Tsjoklatand yes I tried the Philips drivers08:46
Tsjoklatand yes qusb08:46
Tsjoklatand yes loads of other things08:46
bob2weasello: you can pxe it08:46
Treenaksand yes, it's b0rken ;)08:46
Tsjoklatand yes it is :)08:46
hypa7iabob2: pxe?08:47
|trey|weasello, its possible to install from a partition on the harddrive... not entirely sure how to go about it though  :(08:47
TsjoklatI did hoary Treenaks...08:47
bob2hypa7ia: network booting08:47
Tsjoklatand I need you to test something out Treenaks lol08:47
hypa7iaahh, thanka08:47
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weasellobob2: how would I go about that? :)08:47
TreenaksTsjoklat: *looks at BOFH excuse calendar* the problem is cosmic rays.08:47
Tsjoklathelp your fellow Dutch person out08:47
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TreenaksTsjoklat: uhh. ok08:47
Tsjoklatthat must be it08:47
bob2weasello: the first hit for "Ubuntu PXE install" on google08:47
Tsjoklatyou have trash applet in your bar yes?08:47
Treenaksuh, no08:48
Tsjoklatyes you do08:48
Tsjoklatfirst Trey calls me a bloke and now you08:48
TreenaksTsjoklat: eh?08:48
|trey|Tsjoklat, I did no such thing... I was just making sure  ;)08:48
=== hypa7ia lols @ Treenaks
Tsjoklatdo you  have a trash thing in your bar?08:48
Tsjoklatyou know prullenbak?08:48
Tsjoklatwhere you toss your crap?08:49
TreenaksTsjoklat: yes, I know.. but I removed it ;)08:49
hypa7ianote to self: apparently i talk leet when i'm drunk.08:49
TsjoklatTreenaks... why would you do such a thing08:49
TreenaksTsjoklat: because I enabled the desktop icon :)08:49
TsjoklatI need you to test something out! it is for general humanity08:49
TreenaksTsjoklat: anyway, I've re-enabled it..08:49
|trey|Treenaks, grr @ you  :(08:49
GammaRaybob2: wow debfoster is something I've been wondering about existing on my normal rpm distro forever08:49
Tsjoklatyou mean you have it in your bar now again?08:49
TreenaksTsjoklat: yes08:50
Tsjoklatok now make a new folder.. something08:50
Tsjoklatand try to drag and drop it in there08:50
Tsjoklatcan you do that or can you not08:50
TreenaksTsjoklat: uh I can drag and drop it... only nothing happens08:50
Tsjoklatit doesn't fill up? the file sticks where ever you had it?08:50
TreenaksTsjoklat: yes08:51
Tsjoklatpraise the Lord!08:51
TsjoklatI have not gone mad08:51
TreenaksTsjoklat: file a bug :)08:51
Tsjoklatseb did already08:51
Tsjoklatbut I was worried I was the only one08:51
Tsjoklatdidn't want to look like a complete tosser pissing in the wind08:51
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Tsjoklatnight night trey08:52
Treenaks|trey|: keyboard imprints?08:52
Tsjoklathappy sleepers08:52
Treenaks|trey|: you have a hot, textured keyboard?08:52
Tsjoklathypa you are suppose to cheer him to sleep08:52
|trey|Treenaks, ahh, that didn't look right the first time I typed it  :(08:52
TreenaksTsjoklat: you could sing to him08:52
TsjoklatI could...08:52
Tsjoklatbut I doubt he'll enjoy it08:52
|trey|Treenaks, You've never passed out @ your computer huh?08:52
Tsjoklathe might have nightmares08:52
|trey|Tsjoklat, ni ni  :)08:53
Treenaks|trey|: I usually know when to stop :)08:53
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Tsjoklattrey get a gel filled mousepad08:53
Tsjoklatthen you can sleep safely on that08:53
Tsjoklatworks for me08:53
TreenaksTsjoklat: your singing is that bad?08:53
Treenaksok.. brb-time08:53
Tsjoklatno but if you like French poodles singing08:53
|trey|Tsjoklat, where your head lands after you pass out isn't really up to you  ;)08:53
Tsjoklattry to aim it :P08:53
|trey|Tsjoklat, haha... night  :)08:54
Tsjoklattoodles :)08:54
Treenaks|trey|: bye08:54
|trey|Treenaks, SO MANLY  8)  night  :)08:54
Tsjoklattrey is traumatized08:54
weaselloOK, I've been slowly setting up to do the PXEinstall but I'm stumped on this dhcp-server thing. I tried Apt-get but it can't find any such package, and I can't figure out the "prepare your DHCP-server" section of the guide08:58
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Tsjoklatweasello you are still on sarge right?09:00
Tsjoklatsarge doesn't set up network gotta do it man09:00
Ninjas-Rezatmits so cool that you can play warcraft 3 TFT on ubuntu perfectly with cedega09:00
Ninjas-Rezatmtoo bad i don't know how to find mp3's anymore though09:00
Tsjoklatresolve.conf and so forth needs to be set09:00
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bob2Tsjoklat: please stop09:01
mike14im new to Linux and am having trouble playing a movie09:01
Jaraminbob2: about sudo (gksudo) asking for a password when I close a window too, I added -u root to the command and it fixes the problem...does that give you any hint where the source of the problem could be?09:01
mike14can anyone help?09:01
bob2weasello: dhcp3-server09:01
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Ninjas-Rezatmi wish I could sudo in real life09:02
Ninjas-Rezatm"office i know i was speeding, i was sudo"09:03
Ninjas-Rezatmsudo fly09:03
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hypa7iaheheh, totally Ninjas-Rezatm09:04
bob2Jaramin: I haven't looked at that side of things, so I won't be of any help, sorry09:04
Jaraminbob2: k, I'll ask tomorrow (IRC people rotation, hehe)09:05
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bob2Jaramin: have you filed a bug yet?09:06
bob2that really is the (vastly) prefered way to pass this information along09:06
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cenerentolahi there...09:07
cenerentolais there any way to fix a "corruption of in-memory data detected" with a xfs fs?09:07
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rublindAnyone in here?09:10
rublindAlright, how are you?09:10
mercurusnot bad ...09:10
rublindAnd how much do you know about the inner workings of the sound stuff of Ubuntu? ^_^09:11
Jaraminbob2: I'll wait just a bit and fiddle some more, see if I can get more info myself. There's already a ton of bugs, the better I can describe it, the more chances it will be fixed soon09:11
mercurusrublind: what's the problem ?09:12
bob2cenerentola: check your ram09:13
bob2Jaramin: well, yeah, but don't expect that asking on IRC will mean it will get fixed09:13
cenerentolabob2: actually its a xfs problem09:15
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cenerentolai just wanted to know if it was fixable09:16
tensorhello, i know this is an X question, but how do i enable the screensaver when logged on as root on ubuntu?09:16
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mercurustensor: don't login as root.09:16
tensormercurus: i know, it's not advisable, but is there any way around it?09:17
bob2tensor: why are you logging in as root to begin with?09:17
mercurustensor: use sudo to do administrative tasks ...09:17
cenerentolabob2: when using fsck is it normal that it doesnt say anything other than "fsck 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)"09:18
jdubtensor: DON'T LOG IN AS ROOT09:18
cenerentolajdub: i need to talk with you09:18
tensorhave to do some admin stuff and config first, i'm not used to sudo'ing a lot09:18
jdubtensor: do that with the shell09:18
jdubtensor: disable root again, and never log in to a root desktop :)09:19
Tsjoklathey jdub09:19
jdubmorning all09:19
rublindAnyone want to help me with my sound problem?09:19
jdubcenerentola: yes?09:19
tensorjdub: hehe, right on!09:19
jdubbob2: i always say good morning09:19
bob2cenerentola: I'd be really worried about your ram, but you claim it's ok09:19
hypa7iarublind: what be the problem?09:19
cenerentolajdub: have you read the mail09:20
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rublindWell, I'm not getting any sound.09:20
jdubcenerentola: which?09:20
mercurusrublind: do you want to tell us your sound problem ?09:20
rublindI installed Ubuntu this afternoon.09:20
rublindAnd no sound, what so ever (and yes, everything is plugged in, and on)09:20
hypa7iawhat kind of sound card do you have?09:20
rublindI believe someone referenced my problem as 'hotplug fun'09:20
cenerentolathe one i sent you last sunday for the italian linux day09:20
rublindI have Creative Labs Audigy09:20
cenerentolabob2: it says that the error is on hda709:20
cenerentolaall: when using fsck is it normal that it doesnt say anything other than "fsck 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)"09:21
rublindmercurus: sorry I didn't respond earlier, but I wasn't aware that anyone had spoken (no sound..)09:21
jdubwhich you've just helpfully resent...09:21
Tsjoklatjdub seb has filed a bug report09:21
Tsjoklatabout the problem I was talking about earlier09:21
jdubcenerentola: there will be an ubuntu-it mailing list09:21
cenerentolathe stickers?09:21
jdubcenerentola: talk to the ubuntuforums guy about an italian forum09:21
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mercurusrublind: any errors or silently silent ?09:21
anonhey guys09:21
cenerentolawell i thought that hosting it in our site would be better09:22
rublindmercurus: I don't think so.09:22
jdubcenerentola: we don't have any schwag yet, no09:22
anoni just installed windows xp09:22
jdubcenerentola: better to keep them all in one place09:22
cenerentolabecause ppl would have the documentation translated09:22
anonhow do i can i boot into xp with grub09:22
cenerentolaand the forum in one place09:22
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cenerentolaok... volvoguy could do it for us... is he allowed?09:22
hypa7iarublind: anything in dmesg?09:22
rublindmercurus: I can tell you that when I right-click the speaker in the top corner, and click "Open Volume Control" my sound card is last.09:22
rublindhypa7ia: what do you mean?09:23
jdubcenerentola: better to use the existing ubuntu website infrastructure for translated documentation and ubuntuforums for an italian forum09:23
bob2rublind: how many cards do you have?09:23
mercurusrublind: what do you mean by "last" ?09:23
jdubcenerentola: it could be linked with the mailing list too09:23
bob2cenerentola: why not gmane pointing at the list?09:23
rublindI have one card, but four things in my alsa mixer list.09:23
hypa7iarublind: run dmesg in the term09:23
jdubbob2: (ubuntuforums can do that too)09:23
jdubbob2: (and is nicer to use for forum people)09:23
cenerentolaso a www.ubuntulinux-it.org is abolished?09:23
bob2jdub: but it leads to crap like ::smile:: in emails09:24
rublindThere are many things displayed, anything in particular you want?09:24
jdubbob2: that could probably be fixed09:24
bob2rublind: on-board sound? tv  card?09:24
jdubcenerentola: afaik, there isn't one09:24
bob2jdub: and quoting to make your eyes bleed09:24
anondoes anyone know how t osetup dual boot with xp using grub09:24
rublindbob2: My computer is actually beeping now, which is the only sound I get, but I want my sound card to handle it all.09:24
bob2anon: it should happen automatically09:24
cenerentolajdub: we wanted to set it up09:24
rublind(It's beeping because I changed a setting in xChat)09:24
bob2rublind: so you have no on-board sound card or tv card, etc?09:25
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mercurusrublind: ok, what's the output of sudo lsmod ?09:25
rublindbob2: I guess I have an onboard sound card, but I can't plug into it.09:25
cenerentolaall the others have their own hosted forum09:25
rublindmercurus: one second.09:25
weaselloI'm about to install Ubuntu, but I have a question about the linux install process...09:25
hypa7iafire away weasello09:25
mercurusweasello: certaintly, what's that ?09:25
rublindhttp://www.pastebin.com/117278 <-- output of lsmod09:26
weaselloI have a GeForce 4 Ti 4200 vid card, what should I select for video driver? I usually pick "vesa" because it works, and I can't see any "nvidia" listed anywhere.09:26
bob2weasello: erm, ubuntu asked you about your card?09:26
weaselloWell, all the other veresions of linux have asked. Ubuntu doesn't? Good! :)09:26
bob2weasello: it should detect and setup everything automatically09:27
litenif you dont want to use closedsource, you can try out "nv" driver09:27
bob2if it asks, you have to choose nv09:27
rublindmercurus: you got that link, right?09:27
bob2ubuntu doesn't include the binary-only non-free one by default09:27
jdubweasello: if ubuntu asks questions about your X setup, it's a bug in your hardware or the installer :-)09:27
mercurusrublind: ok, are all the "Master" volumes and all the "PCM" volumes unmuted ?09:27
weasello"nv"... gotcha for future use. I'll be attempting install shortly. See y'all in about an hour :)09:27
rublindmercurus: yes, I just did that.09:27
bob2weasello: good luck09:28
rublindmercurus: I do hear a beeping coming from my computer, but this is due to a change I made in xChat (it beeps on highlighted messages)09:28
hypa7iabest of luck weasello!09:28
Tsjoklatyou can msg me if you like weasello09:28
Tsjoklatsince I had to shut up09:28
mercurusrublind: and what happens when you try and play a .ogg file ?09:28
rublindmercurus: I don't have any.09:28
bob2Tsjoklat: why did you have to shut up?09:28
cenerentolajdub: so? ppl when reading our site they should open another tab to visit the forum on ubuntuforums, which is UNofficial?09:28
rublindmercurus: I have music on my windows hard drive, but I am having problems mounting it.09:28
rublind(and it's .mp3 anyways)09:29
mercurusrublind: so what have you tried to play ?09:29
rublindWell, gaim isn't making any noise for one.09:29
rublindBut I'll test a music CD right now.09:29
jdubcenerentola: i'm recommending it because it's less work, and keeps things together09:29
mercurusrublind: music CD will probably work ...09:29
rublindmercurus: I hope so.09:29
cenerentola...well we are supposed to be YOU in italy09:29
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mercurusbecause it is probably linked directly to output, practically bypassing the sound card.09:29
rublindNope, I hear nothing.09:30
cenerentolaso... an italian forum in the italian ubuntu website, imho is the most logical09:30
jdubcenerentola: by using ubuntuforums, you can have the forum linked with the mailing list, users will easily find it because it's where everything else is, etc.09:30
cenerentolathing to be done... moreover09:30
jdubcenerentola: there's no reason why you can't link to it from the website -> same thing09:30
cenerentolasame thing the opposite09:31
cenerentolanone of you speaks italian09:32
jdubcenerentola: no, it's not. using ubuntuforums means you're centralising the workload and eyeballs.09:32
cenerentolajdub: ubuntuforums IS NOT official!!!09:32
cenerentolathe GERMAN have their own09:32
jdubcenerentola: that doesn't matter09:32
rublindmercurus: any ideas?09:32
cenerentolaok... you won09:32
bob2cenerentola: erm, at least 2 employees speak italian09:32
jdubcenerentola: it's the central place for forums, if everyone else runs their own, it's their loss :)09:33
cenerentolaill mail09:33
jdubi don't mind if the germans want to do extra work :)09:33
cenerentolathe forums' guy09:33
litencmon, they are german :P09:33
aka_daemonwhere's the german forum?09:33
cenerentolajdub: and what about document translation? can we start translating your website?09:34
jdubsee, if it was at ubuntuforums, it'd be obvious :)09:34
jdubcenerentola: yes09:34
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mjg59Ah. It turns out that my problems are due to the kernel being REALLY FUCKING STUPID.09:34
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cenerentolathx and sorry for the waste of time09:35
litenmjg59: dont hurt the computers feelings now :P09:35
Ruffian|Q|hey all09:35
mjg59liten: The computer is busy hurting my feelings09:36
mjg59I've no idea how this code ever worked09:36
rublindbob2: do you have any ideas.09:36
bob2rublind: disable the on-board card in the bios09:37
jdubmjg59: you've been inhaling the magic blue smoke, haven't you?09:37
mjg59jdub: Dude, I told you not to tell people that it's magic09:37
rublindbob2: I don't exactly know where that setting is.09:37
rublindbob2: I believe I've looked before and could not find it.09:37
bob2rublind: it depends on the machine, but disabling it is probably the easiest way09:37
mjg59But seriously, this code is entirely bong-tastic09:38
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rublindbob2: how often are you online?09:38
bob2rublind: too often.09:38
rublindbob2: good, I'll be back with a status update after a reboot.09:39
logichallo anyone09:39
logici have just installed the latest PR release of firefox to ~/firefox, how do I make this overwrite the default 9.3 provided with ubuntu?09:40
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bob2logic: don't09:40
bob2just use that one09:40
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logicI like the latest one :(09:41
Pizbitlogic: uninstall mozilla-firefox and ln -s ~/firefox/firefox /usr/bin/firefox09:41
aka_daemonit seems that the 1.0 (not PR) is out for linux..?!09:41
bob2then use it09:41
Pizbitaka_daemon: No09:41
bob2Pizbit: no09:41
bob2don't tell people to do that, please09:41
bob2make the symlink to /usr/local/09:41
PizbitOh, heh09:41
aka_daemonbob2: why not?09:42
PizbitYeah, link it into /usr/local/bin09:42
logic:) thanks09:42
Pizbitaka_daemon: Because it's installed by means other than apt09:42
PizbitOr somehting along those lines09:42
bob2aka_daemon: /usr/bin is for dpkg to play with09:42
bob2I don't know what dpkg will do if you ask it to install a file over a symlink later09:43
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aka_daemonpizibit: I did install quite a lot of stuff not by means of apt and similar tools in Suse..09:43
aka_daemon..never had any problems; or is that different with debian stuff?09:43
rublindbob2: I disabled [audio] , and now in my 'Volume Control' there are only two tabs (where as before there were four), but again, my sound card is the second of the two.09:43
bob2aka_daemon: and you're welcome to in ubuntu, just don't overwrite stuff in /usr/09:43
bob2use /usr/local/09:43
bob2rublind: what's the first?09:44
Pizbitaka_daemon: Yeah, it's just the Proper Way (TM) and all that :)09:44
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arun--any good themes for gnome, all i have seen sucks :)09:44
rublindSigmaTel STAC9721/23 [OSS Mixer] 09:44
Pizbitarun--: Looked on art.gnome.org and gnome-look.org ?09:44
logicPizbit, one question - when you say 'uninstall mozilla-firefox' you mean by using apt-get remove? Because I tried removing mozilla-firefox in synaptic and it said ubuntu-desktop would also be removed . . .09:44
litenarun--: themes.org :P09:44
aka_daemonis there a *.deb package for firefox PR?09:44
Pizbitlogic: It's ok to remove ubuntu-desktop09:45
logici just got it from the website aka_demon09:45
logicpizbit thanks09:45
Pizbitaka_daemon: Possibly, have a look on packages.debian.org I think it is.09:45
litenlogic: a .deb or a sourcepackage?09:45
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aka_daemonthought so.. got the source, too but I don't want to mess around in this install of Ubuntu.09:45
PizbitPersonally I've always used the .bz2/installer into my home dir since I'm the only user09:45
arun--i ve looked at gnome-look and art.gnome, may be wil give a try at themes.org09:45
PizbitMakes things simple09:45
tensorhey, the logon/logoff audio is quite nice09:46
rublindbob2: any ideas?09:46
tensorlike drumrolls09:46
aka_daemonbut probably quite a lot of dependencies.. I think I remember trying to install it on debian woody..09:46
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GammaRayarun--: I'm not sure how you define sucking09:47
PizbitCompiling firefox from source, was, well, boring:)\09:47
bob2rublind: ask on the list09:47
rublindbob2: which is what/where ?09:47
bob2debugging this is possible but painful and it's dinnertime, sorry09:47
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bob2rublind: lists.ubuntu.com09:47
rublindOh, okay.09:47
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logicAhh, all nice - thx09:49
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BilloxIm after some helpl regarding desktop resolution on warty09:52
Tsjoklatcomputer system configuration screen resolution or hardcode your xconfig09:53
rublindbob2: I'm sorry, what am I supposed to do on lists? (I got sidetracked with themes)09:53
PizbitBillox: Just ask09:54
rublindbob2: maybe I just need to blacklist the other sound device?09:55
hypa7iaor what Tsjoklat said, Billox09:57
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SbuxHello everyone09:57
hypa7iahey Sbux :-)09:58
SbuxI have some questions about my new Ubuntu distribution09:58
PizbitJust ask them:)09:58
bob2rublind: good idea09:58
rublindbob2: want to walk me through it (I know the name of it, just not how to do it. =p)09:59
SbuxI can't mount my other disks (USB external Hard Disk) and my FAT32 or other ext3 disks09:59
bob2Sbux: they should be mounted when you plug them in09:59
bob2rublind: you need to edit /etc/hotplug/blaclist.d/alsa-base or so  and include the name of the module you don'[t want to load09:59
Sbuxyeah but for my USB disk, it says unknown file system09:59
PizbitSbux: What filesystem is it?10:00
Sbuxalthough it is a FAT 3210:00
bob2Sbux: how sure are you?10:00
Sbux300 %10:00
PizbitSbux: Does 'lsmod | grep fat' show anything?10:00
rublindbob2: okay, thanks.10:00
bob2rublind: (I'm not sure of the name)10:01
PizbitSbux: sudo modprobe vfat and use your pass10:01
rublindbob2: I just add the name of it to the bottom, and when I reboot, it should work?10:01
Sbux2 sec I will be back Pizbit10:01
bob2rublind: yes10:02
rublindbob2: thank you.10:02
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Sbuxok hello again10:05
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rublindbob2: that didn't work10:06
Sbuxthe lsmod | grep fat doesn't give anything at all10:06
rublind"mount: /dev/hda already mounted or /home/julian/Desktop/Windows/ busy" <-- how can I tell where it's mounted, or how can I unbusy that folder?10:08
bob2mount | grep hda10:09
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bob2Sbux: please ask on the list, and include the section of /var/log/messages that gets printed out when you're pluygging it in10:09
rublindmount | grep hda returned nothing.10:11
PizbitSbux: Did you modprobe vfat and then try plugging it in again?10:11
bob2how about "mount | grep /home/julian/"?10:11
Sbuxit worked10:11
Sbuxi unplugged it and replugged it10:11
Pizbitput vfat on a line of it's own in /etc/modules then so it'll work after a reboot10:12
bob2Sbux: that's still a bug10:12
rublindIt's not mounted, I think that the windows folder is "busy"10:12
bob2it's a SMB share, I take it?10:13
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Adrenalhey peeps10:13
Adrenalhow do i install mplayer?10:13
bob2rublind: is it a SMB share or a local partition?10:13
PizbitAdrenal: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats10:13
Adrenalah, brilliant10:14
bob2I'm pretty certain windows won't let you use a disk directly10:14
rublindbob2: no clue, it's my first hard drive, and it has windows (I had it before linux)10:14
bob2rublind: ok, windows.10:14
rublindbob2: I should be able to access my files, I didn't have this problem with warty-rc10:14
bob2rublind: /dev/hda sounds wrong to me, are you sure about that?10:14
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rublindbob2, sure as I can be. /dev/hda0 or /dev/hda1 returns an error (I think)10:15
Sbuxand also when I start my ssytem there is an FATAL error with shpcp librairies and such10:15
weaselloFor some reason, I feel 1337 when typing uBuNTu10:15
rublindweasello, you should. ^_^10:15
bob2rublind: can you paste the output of "sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda" to #flood?10:15
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KiBiHi all!10:17
Ruffian|Q|Ubuntu OWNS!10:18
Sbuxyo KiBi10:18
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logicIt does too10:18
KiBiGot a question which google can't solve easily10:18
rublindbob2: did you see it?10:18
KiBiCan we use Debian mirror for Ubuntu?10:18
danielsKiBi: ... what?10:18
KiBiI guess ubuntu packages can have been modified10:19
bob2KiBi: please don't mix ubuntu and debian packages10:19
bob2rublind: you definitely want /dev/hda110:19
KiBithat's what I was thinking10:19
rublindmount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,10:19
rublind       or too many mounted file systems10:19
bob2that's a different matter10:20
rublinda fixable matter?10:20
bob2what command line are you using to mount it?10:20
KiBia friend of mine said it should be possible to use debian mirrors instead of ubuntu mirrors10:20
rublinda bash terminal...10:20
rublindOr do you mean what command?10:20
PizbitKiBi: It is, but it's high unadvisable10:20
bob2rublind: yes10:20
bob2KiBi: it's possible, but it will break and no one will be able to help you10:20
rublindsudo mount -t ntfs -o julian /dev/hda1 /home/julian/Desktop/Windows/10:21
KiBiPizbit: oki, that was my opinion10:21
bob2erm, that -o looks bogus10:21
rublindIt just makes it so I own it, and not root.10:21
rublindI think.10:21
bob2'-o uid=1000' would do that10:21
KiBi-U #uid ?10:21
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rublindOh, okay.10:21
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rublindExcellent, thanks bob2! Now I need to add something to /etc/fstab right?10:22
Sbuxanother thing that occured in my installation : I installed gdesklets but when I try to run the displays there is an error somwthing that has to do with XML10:22
bob2rublind: right10:23
rublind"/dev/hda1       /home/julian/Desktop/Windows    ntfs    uid=1000,defaults       0       0" sound right to you?10:24
weaselloanyone know of an ultraminimalistic skin for Gaim? I hate all this empty whitespace10:24
Pizbitweasello: Erm, just resize the window?10:24
bob2rublind: yeah10:24
rublindbob2: excellent, one problem down, one to go.10:25
KiBirublind: maybe should you add  user  to the  uid=1000,defaults  tab10:25
Pizbitweasello: You can remove all the formatting bars, buddy icons, etc10:25
Billoxok, sorry for the delay to those of you who responded to my earlier request. Ubuntu is giving me options for resolutions 1024x768 and below from the gui "Screen Resolution" applicaition. My XF86 config file  defines the maximum resolution as 1600x1200 but I dont get the option above 1024x768 in the GUI. I'm running an intel 740 card and a 21" screen10:25
KiBiI'm not sure...10:25
rublindKiBi: what do you mean?10:25
KiBiA example :10:25
KiBi/dev/sda1       /mnt/cle        vfat    rw,noauto,user,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 010:25
PizbitBillox: Is that 1600x1200 in the right colour depth?10:25
BilloxIve googled around and seen a couple of people mention the same issue but no clies10:25
PizbitBillox: Also, is the horiz/vert syncs correct?10:26
ElwoodBillox, when you run xcfg you can select the modes10:26
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Billoxyes, in all colour depths10:26
jdubBillox: note that the gui isn't related at all to the X configuration file10:26
rublindKiBi: what effect does it have?10:26
KiBi(no)auto mean it is (not) mounted automatically at boot10:26
jdubBillox: the gui controls RANDR, not the X configuration10:26
jdubBillox: the server probably thinks that's all it can do for some reason10:26
Billoxalso I have noticed that X performance is very bad10:27
KiBi``user'' (allow a user to mount)10:27
Billoxas if its using a generic driver10:27
KiBi(man fstab)10:27
Billoxalthough the i740 card is correctly detected10:27
jdubBillox: type xrandr at a terminal10:27
danielsedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, and remove the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines10:27
danielsthat will allow you to get the full resolution10:27
rublindKiBi: I don't need user, but I added auto.,10:27
BilloxSection "Monitor"10:28
Billox        Identifier      "CM811PLUS"10:28
Billox        HorizSync       31-10710:28
Billox        VertRefresh     50-16010:28
Billox        Option          "DPMS"10:28
rublindSo, anyone here know a lot about sound? (besides bob2 =p)10:28
Billoxremove that?10:28
bob2rublind: blacklisting didn't work?10:28
Billoxjust the Horiz and Vert sections?10:28
rublindbob2: nope, unless I did it wrong.10:28
Elwoodrublind,  letme try10:28
bob2rublind: sure you hit the right module?10:28
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RuffianSoldierbob2, have left your desktop at all today? ;-)10:28
danielsBillox: just HorizSync and VertRefresh10:29
BilloxIll try that10:29
danielsRuffianSoldier: bear in mind it's the evening in .au10:29
bob2heh, only to buy a new disk10:29
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rublindbob2: no, go to #flood, let me show you lsmod | grep snd10:29
bob2rublind: so your main card is a sblive or similar?10:29
rublindElwood: here's my problem, I have a Creative Labs Audigy sound card, and it's not loading in the right order (I believe_10:30
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rublindbob2: I guess.10:30
Elwoodrublind, right order of modules?10:30
KiBigotta go, have a nice day, thx for your answer on mirrors10:30
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rublindElwood: I guess.10:30
rublindI need to get rid of snd_pcm_oss (I don't know about snd_pcm, but they seem related, name-wise).10:31
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rublind(I think)10:31
Billoxdaniels, that didnt work10:31
bob2rublind: no you don't10:31
Billoxthe X server started though, so its not all bad :)10:31
bob2rublind: snd_pcm is for OSS emulation, it does not affect card ordering10:31
rublindbob2: and snd_pcm_oss ?10:31
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bob2rublind: erm, wrong way round, sorry10:32
bob2rublind: snd_pcm is the general sound output one10:32
rublindbob2: so I need to blacklist snd_pcm and not snd_pcm_oss ?10:32
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bob2rublind: no, all those modules look fine10:32
rublindbob2: then why am I not getting sound? >_<10:32
bob2rublind: what happens if you run "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" now?10:33
bob2rublind: alsa channels are muted by default, have you unmuted them?10:33
hypa7iaarrighty, too drunk for irc.  night all.10:33
rublindbob2: I think so.10:33
bob2rublind: check carefully10:33
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Billoxis anyone running on an intel i740 video card?10:34
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rublindaux2 wasn't unmuted, but I'm not sure that matters (I unmuted it anyway)10:35
gehrmanI think the FC2 box our physics dept has an i74010:35
Elwoodrublind,  unmuted them with alsamixer10:35
BilloxI have a problems with warty with an i74010:36
rublindElwood: yes, everything is unmuted.10:36
Elwoodrublind, if u don't get error when running a player....the first thing should be the volume10:36
despokay, jeez10:36
Elwoodthe modules are rightr10:36
Elwoodrublind, gnome?10:36
rublindElwood: yes.10:36
despI managed to set up the resolutions in the XF86Config-4 file, thanks to fbset -x10:36
BilloxIll give it a go10:37
despand apparently I do have hardware acceleration, after all10:37
despso 3ddesk works10:37
gehrmanI think the problems are more general that just warty, if I remember right, we never got the resolution up past 800x600 other than through tunneling X10:37
Elwooddesp, 3ddesk :) i love10:37
BilloxI have 1024x768 working OK10:38
despI would love, but I have a green square in the top-center part of the screen10:38
Elwoodrublind,  try to get alsa utils and run alsaconf just to be sure :)10:38
Billoxdoes warty use Xorg?10:38
rublindElwood: you want me to run alsaconf?10:38
despany ideas wtf there is a green square when using 3ddesk?10:38
rublindOr, I need alsa utils first?10:38
Elwooddesp, i see green numbers :)10:38
Elwoodrublind, should be a volume problem, if u don't get any kind of error !10:39
gehrmanno, use a heavily patched XFree 4.0.3(not sure on  versioning)10:39
Billoxdid anyone find their desktop was limited to 1024x768 by the GUi configuration tool?10:40
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ElwoodBillox, maybe mine but i am ok with 1024x768 :)10:41
Billoxright :)10:41
Billoxmaybe I should use a smaller monitor10:41
rublindElwood: where do I get alsa utils?10:42
=== wfx yea!, i dont know what it was but now my sil0680 based controller works...
Billoxor just ditch the GUI and get on with what I originally installed this distro for :)10:42
ElwoodBillox, i set modes from the xconfg10:42
rublindBillox: I'm 1280x1024 I believe.10:42
Billoxokie, Ill give that a shot10:42
ElwoodChicago:/home/elwood# apt-cache search alsa-utils10:42
Elwoodalsa-utils - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (utilities)10:42
Billoxno such binary here10:43
ElwoodBillox, Xf86conf10:43
Billoxoh ok10:43
jdubBillox: what were you originally installing it for? :)10:43
BilloxI tried dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8610:43
ElwoodBillox xf86config10:43
Elwoodi use this10:43
BilloxIm replacing my OS X server with linux to run my web, samba, php/mysql dev/test stuff10:44
Elwoodi didn't a "regular " install of ubuntu10:44
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lmlA have a friend who is trying to install Ubuntu in a MS Virtual PC - after the boot he just gets a text login, it does not continue with the setup - ideas?10:46
logicwheres do i set environment variables, such as PKG_CONFIG_PATH ?10:46
bob2logic: what are you trying to do?10:47
logic;) install a plugin for gaim10:47
rublindDamn i.t10:47
rublindHow the hell do I get my sound to work?!10:48
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Billoxif you live in melbourne I have a stack of soundblasters you can have one of10:48
bob2more bloody melbournians10:48
danielsthey can be found for less than the cost of a Big Mac10:49
jdubBillox: if you want to run a server, try booting the installer with 'custom' :)10:49
BilloxIm english actually I just live here10:49
jdubBillox: (good comeback.)10:49
Billoxwell, I want to play with the desktop too though :)10:49
logicwhen I ./configure it says package gaim was not found in the pkg_config search path - the INSTALL file tells me to set  the env var to point to the dir containing gaim10:49
rublindBillox: I live in California, USA.10:49
Elwoodoff topic i need an hints about python10:50
danielsjdub: yah, bob2 really has no excuse ;)10:50
rublindBillox: feel free to mail me one... or two... ^_^10:50
Sbuxthanks guy for your contribution...10:50
danielsjdub: they tried to run him out of town by setting fire to cards on his lawn ...10:50
bob2logic: there's no gaim-dev package10:50
Sbuxsee you soon10:50
lmlAnybody with ideas on Ubuntu and MS Virtual PC?10:50
bob2lml: have you read the faw about that?10:51
bob2daniels: it was a car, not a card10:51
Billoxemail me your address, Ill send one via snail mail, itll prolly take a week or so, but it will more than likely work10:51
Billoxmy name at my name.com10:51
rublindDude, you are cool.10:51
danielsbob2: er, yeah10:51
rublindrublind at gmail.com ?10:51
Billoxemail me your address10:51
lmlbob2: faw? ahh - faq ;-) I have been looking but did not find anything.10:52
rublind/msg me your e-mail...10:52
logiclol, wrong kb10:52
bob2logic: there's a section in there10:52
logicin where sorry?10:52
bob2lml: there's a section on the website about it10:53
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lmlbob2: The problem we are expirensing is not described in that section.10:54
rublindbob2 is very popular this evening10:54
Elwoodlml, one of my favourite section10:54
bob2lml: ask on the list10:54
lmlbob2: Ahh - yes it is. Had missed the very first part about going to recovery mode to get root access.10:55
lmlbob2: thx.10:55
lmlbob2: Actually it does not answer it completely.10:58
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lmlbob2: When the installation reboots my friend is presented with a text login screen - not the continued installation process.10:59
bob2lml: ok11:00
bob2I've never used virtual pc, you'll have to ask on the list if no one here knows11:00
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lmlAnybody with Ubuntu and MS Virtual PC expirence?11:01
Elwoodlml, never with virtual pc11:01
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lmlElwood: What else?11:01
bob2why is your friend installing into virtual pc at all?11:02
lmlHe is a MS buff - so not really sure.11:02
eimI'm trying to get the simple "Fixed" fonts running under GNOME. Any ideas how to do this? Thanks.11:03
Billoxlml, in my travels trying to get a resolution problem fixed I ran into lots of docs on getting ubuntu working under VPC11:04
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Billoxgoogle for VPC ubuntu11:04
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Billoxthere was a fair bit of stuff11:04
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lmlBillox: I can find many docs on MS Virtual PC an Ubuntu also - but they all concentrate on the color depth and this is only valid after having went through a full install. Problem here is that the install does not complete, just presents a text login after the boot.11:05
Billoxwhat is the prompt?11:06
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Billoxdo you get any additional info using ctrl-alt-F2... F3 etc ?11:07
lmlBillox: Not really sure - he just a moment ago told me that he has started a reinstall. So will probably run into the problem again later.11:07
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ploumhmm.. the calendar seems broken in evolution hoary11:08
ploumisn't it ?11:08
Billoxget him to cycle through the virtual terminals with ctrl-alt-F2 - ctrl-alt-F3 etc11:08
lmlBillox: Not much stamina with MS users.11:08
rublindAlright, I'm going to sleep.11:08
rublind`night all.11:08
Billoxmany distros output errors and debugging info to those terminals during install11:08
lmlBillox: Thx. Will do when the he encounters the problem again.11:09
Todd_MA_1975ploum: Seems to be working OK for me.  R U using evolution 2.2?11:09
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Billoxanyone here unlucky enough to be using an intel i740 video card?11:12
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eimSolution to my problem found. In order to get X11 fonts working with GNOME we must edit /etc/fonts/local.conf.11:16
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eimWhat about Debian's `menu` package? Is it supported by Ubuntu?11:27
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gebbershi, i was wondering if it's possible to do something along the lines of 'map network drive' in windows with ubuntu ?11:28
nevyngebbers: smbmount can certainly do that sort of thing11:29
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gebbersnevyn, is it possible to do it through the UI ?11:29
bob2eim: it's in universe11:29
bob2gebbers: if you go to to the network thign in nautilus you can just access them immediately11:30
eimbob2: Yes, I've seen. Will it work once installed and will the Debian menu appear in the GNOME menu system like on sid with GNOME 2.6? Thanks.11:30
gebbersbob2: i have a directory with lots of files, and nautilus seems to be really slow with it...11:31
bob2eim: don't think so.11:31
eimbob2: ok11:31
bob2gebbers: well, you can mount it if you want, but there's no gui way to do it that I know of11:31
bob2gebbers: filing a bug about nautilus being slow would be good, tho11:31
gebbershrm, when i try to run smbmount, i get : sudo: smbmount: command not found11:31
bob2you'll need to install it11:31
nevyngebbers: even if you mount it it's not going to help the problem that nautilus sucks on large directories.11:32
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gebbersnevyn, true, but i'm happy with a terminal view :)11:32
nevynwo why do you need a gui way to mount it?11:33
gebbersbecause i don't know the samba commands ;)11:33
Gmailwow look at this11:33
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Gmail 21:34:41 up 13 days,  2:31,  2 users,  load average: 0.06, 0.05, 0.0511:34
Adrenalhow do i install mplayer?11:34
Gmailhey Adrenal11:34
GmailAdrenal: read the FAQ11:34
Adrenalhey gmail11:34
Kyaneoswith apt11:34
nevynmount -t smbfs -o user=myname \\server\share /mountpoint11:34
Kyaneosapt-cache search mplayer11:34
nevynGmail: and?11:34
Kyaneosy escoges el que quieras11:34
GmailAdrenal: read the apt guild11:34
Adrenaland that command does nothing11:35
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Gmailbtw i am runing gnome with 2 users right now and 2 x sessions11:35
GmailAdrenal: debian.org and ubuntulinux.org11:35
Kyaneosand then apt-get install mplayer11:35
Gmailand what?11:35
nevynwhat's wow about that uptime?11:36
bob2Adrenal: wiki.ubuntnu.com/RestrictedFormates11:36
Adrenaltried that, that doesn't actually help me install anything11:36
GmailFOR CRING OUT LOUD! read the faq people mplayer can't be in the responory11:36
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Gmailneuro_: i was tring to show my load time not uptime11:37
bob2Gmail: shush now.11:37
bob2Adrenal: yes it does.11:37
bob2Adrenal: which part do you have trouble with?11:37
Adrenalthe obtaining and installing11:37
bob2edit /etc/apt/sources.list11:38
bob2add a line like: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main11:38
GmailAdrenal: give me ssh access and i'll do it for you if you don't know howto edit a text file11:39
bob2Gmail: no11:39
GmailAdrenal: you use synaptic11:39
bob2Gmail: you will not ever ask for access to someone's machine in this channel, ok?11:39
Gmailbob2: me and Adrenal are friends11:39
bob2then you ask off-channel11:40
Gmailanyway he is going to do it him self11:40
Gmailhe not 2 years old11:40
Gmaili was showing him his options11:40
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Adrenalyeh, gmail saved my life in nam11:40
dopeyGmail: its still a pretty dodgy request11:41
Adrenalnah, this guys legit11:41
bob2legit is not a word I'd use11:41
bob2anyway, add that line to that file11:41
bob2come back when you've done that11:41
GmailAdrenal: if you use synaptic i can tell you step by step what to do11:42
bob2if you actually trust gmail with even a user account, then do that11:42
Gmailif not do the folling11:42
Gmailsudo nano /ect/apt/sources.list11:42
Gmailadd at the buttom11:42
Gmaildeb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main11:43
bob2yes, we just went through this11:43
Gmailthen ctrl+O enter and then ctrl + X11:43
Adrenaldifference being, i understand this guy11:43
Gmailapt-get update11:43
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Gmailsudo apt-get update11:44
Gmailthen sudo apt-get install mplayer11:44
despdoes anyone know a mac-like text editor for linux?11:44
Adrenallets back track11:44
Adrenalwhat is bottom?11:44
Gmailare you in nano?11:45
nevyndesp: what's mac like?11:45
Gmailemac? desp ?11:45
Adrenalsay what?11:45
PizbitAdrenal: bottom, is, uh, the opposite to top :)11:45
GmailAdrenal: is there anything in the file11:45
Adrenali just copied and pasted that into terminal11:45
GmailAdrenal: that was for someone else11:45
despnevyn: I was kinda hoping someone has actually used a mac here11:46
GmailAdrenal: you are editing a text file11:46
Adrenali got your command, copied into terminal11:46
logicErr, this is more a gnome q - Is there a way to make nautilus reuse the same window when you dbl click a folder, rather than opening a new one each time?11:46
Adrenalgot a new screeny thing11:46
despnevyn: I'm used to BBEdit, for example11:46
Adrenalwhere do i paste the second command?11:46
desplogic: yes11:46
bob2logic: yes11:46
bob2logic: google for "disable nautilus spatial"11:46
gebbersis there a version of unrar for ubunu?11:46
despbob2: since you have a mac...perhaps you would know?11:46
Gmailok you are in nano did you add that line at the bottom of the text line?11:46
Adrenaltext line?11:47
Gmailgebbers: yes11:47
Adrenalthere was no text line11:47
gebbersGmail, do you know where i can get it? :)11:47
despwas there a spoon?11:47
Adrenalall i got was a blank terminal with a black heading11:47
Gmailgebbers: its in universe11:47
GmailAdrenal: hmmm11:48
gebbersGmail, what's universe? ;)11:48
Gmaildoes ubuntu ever install a blank sources.list11:48
Gmailgebbers: FAQ11:48
Adrenalcan it be done through synaptic?11:48
Gmailopen it11:48
Gmailok closed the terminal11:49
Gmailbrb in 30 sec11:49
bob2desp: emacs11:49
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bob2but "mac-style" sounds meaningless to me, unless you're refering to some particular mac editor11:50
despI said I'm used to BBEdit, for example11:50
Gmailbob2: mac style mean it costs money is closed source and crap11:50
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bob2yeah, but how is that mac-style11:50
GmailAdrenal: ok settings > responory11:51
Gmailclick new11:51
nevyndesp: ok. there are LOTS and lots of editors. I'm sure one is something like what you're used to.11:51
despbob2: the way the arrow keys work. the way selections work.11:51
Gmailbob2: spelling smelling same thing11:51
nevynthe way the arrow keys work?11:51
bob2Gmail: apt-cache show gtypist11:51
despi.e. shift+arrow to select text in that direction11:52
Adrenalclciked new11:52
GmailURI:  ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat11:52
nevyndesp: that's pretty standard11:52
nevynshift ctrl and arrow to select words in that direction etc.11:52
GmailDistro...: testing11:52
bob2oh, that's why the instructions in the wiki suck11:53
bob2they're for synaptic11:53
GmailSections: main11:53
Adrenalis it deb or source?11:53
EfaistOsweird with mplayer and the fglrx driver i cant use the vo=xv options11:53
Gmailbob2: i said the wiki sucks11:53
GmailAdrenal: deb11:53
despnevyn: okay, so what editor would you recommend for html/latex/c?11:53
Gmailthe refresh11:54
Adrenalnow what?11:54
nevyndesp: for you? kate or gedit.11:54
nevyndesp: I personally use vim :)11:54
despbob2: sigh, no...the only thing less mac-like than emacs is vi/m ;)11:54
Gmaildesp: glade/nvu/mswin11:54
despI know I am going to learn vim one day, just not today.11:55
Adrenalgmail, now what do i do?11:55
bob2glade and "mswin" are not editors11:55
Gmailinstall mplayer11:55
Gmailbob2: i know and mswin isn't an os11:55
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nevyndesp: maybe ktetex-maker11:55
Adrenalhow do i install it?11:56
Matt|omg hoary is awesome11:56
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Matt|services-admin: brilliant idea11:57
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Adrenalgmail, how do i install ubuntu?11:58
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Gmailyou don't have ubuntu installed?11:59
Adrenaloh sorry11:59
Adrenalwhen i restarted synaptic11:59
AdrenalCouldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net Testing/Main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_Testing_Main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)11:59
bob2yes, run refresh11:59
GmailAdrenal: push the refresh button11:59
Gmailas i told you12:00
Adrenalgot that error again12:00
Adrenalas well as12:00
Adrenalanother thing saying it was the wrong url12:00
nevyncapital Testing or doesn't matter?12:00
Matt|i'm guessing it is the wrong address12:01
Adrenalgot the caps out12:01
Adrenalall is sweet12:01
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GmailAdrenal: hmm12:01
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Gmailbob2: was the URI the right one we gave him12:02
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bob2"we"?  I gave the correct url12:02
GmailAdrenal: yea cpas matter12:02
Adrenalok, one last thing12:02
chemajathis has to be the closest a linux distro has ever come to my preferred configuration out-of-the-box -- good stuff!12:02
Adrenalhow do i get mp3s?12:02
Matt|i'll go with that chemaja12:02
Adrenalyeh, it was caos12:02
Gmailbob2: i gave him the uri that you gave me so hence we12:02
bob2Adrenal: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats12:03
nevynAdrenal: now you're offtopic.12:03
Adrenalsay what?12:03
Adrenali ment how do i play them12:03
Adrenalnot obtain them12:03
nevynbob2: that's not what he asked...12:03
Matt|you know what he meant!12:03
bob2yes, we should guess what people mean12:03
nevynMatt|: he should say what he means then.12:03
robsterbob2: crowded house bob ;)12:04
bob2save them the trouble of composing coherent sentences12:04
Adrenalalright, my mustake12:04
Matt|bob2, you correctly guessed12:04
nevynI find it helps with communication.12:04
wfxAdrenal, have you visit the ubuntu website?12:04
bob2robster: hah12:04
Matt|nevyn, aw come on12:04
Adrenalhow do i install support for the playing of my legally obtained mp3s?12:04
bob2robster: come to spain!12:04
bob2Adrenal: 21:03:01           bob2 | Adrenal: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats12:04
robsterbob2: maybe.12:04
Adrenalah k12:04
ploumTodd_MA_1975, yes, I'm using Evo 2.2 (2.1 in fact ;-) )12:05
ploumsorry for being late12:05
Adrenalshould be right now12:05
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nevynAdrenal: seeing as you have the media you should re-encode them into a more free format like vorbis ;)12:06
Matt|is the clock fixed now in hoary?12:07
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Todd_MA_1975ploum: no prob.  I don't have much for suggestions - All I can say it that the calendar seems to work ok for me.  I had a problem where it stopped accessing my POP account which was fixed by recreating the account.12:08
GmailMatt|: i have been using hoary since it was taken out of the topic12:08
Matt|damn this channel is getting ruder and ruder12:09
bob2who's being rude?12:09
Matt|have i interpreted that wrongly?12:10
bob2just ignore gmail12:11
Matt|i have long since learned that doing a list in freenode is not a good idea: is there another channel for hoary discussion?12:11
bob2but if you're using hoary, you generally should know how to fix your problems yourself12:12
bob2and then file bug reports12:12
Gmailbob2: why i was fighting with my brother over my cordless kb that why i spammed12:12
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bob2Gmail: I wasn't refering to that12:12
Matt|bob2, i am pretty sure that the clock problem wil already have been reported and probably solved already12:12
Gmaili have reported 4 bug reports so far12:12
bob2Matt|: have you checked?12:13
Gccguys ime trying to compile a kernel on ubuntu normally make && make modules_install && make install even with the default config i get kerenl panic! (i dont use initrd)? can anybody help me?12:13
bob2Gmail: why are you building your own kernel?12:13
Matt|bob2, no lemme just restart gnome and if it still isn't fixed i'll check the bugs12:13
bob2the default upstream config won't boot on your machine12:13
Gmailbob2: i am not12:13
bob2and the default ubuntun config won't boot unless you use an initrd12:14
Gmailbob2: Gcc ask it12:14
bob2Gcc: why are you building a kernel?12:14
Gcci want a custom12:14
sjoerdGcc: the question was why12:14
bob2Gcc: why?12:14
Gccbeacuse i want my own custom kernel12:15
GmailGcc: ubuntu's kernel is custom enuff for you if you can't fix the problem12:15
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Gccits not12:15
Gccthe theme is that i get kernel panics12:15
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Gccis it fixable12:15
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Matt|ok clock is fixed :)12:15
bob2Gcc: of course12:16
sjoerdGcc: why is it not good enough for you ?12:16
LowryAny Australians on?12:16
Gccsjoerd: just say its not12:16
nevynGcc: given that the default kernel works. and your's doesn't clearly the default kernel is superior ;)12:16
bob2Gcc: but you're building it wrong, and tutoring you in "how to build a working kernel" is not something most people could be arsed to do, frankly12:16
GccSMT and other tuff12:16
nevynLowry: quite a few.12:16
bob2Lowry: jah12:16
mjg59Gcc: What sort of kernel panic is it?12:16
GmailLowry: half of this channel is australia or nz12:16
nevynGcc: smt is in there.12:17
ploumTodd_MA_1975, thx, I will look further12:17
LowryIs there a Telstra ppc login option for cable?12:17
GmailG'day fate12:17
Gccmount fs12:17
GmailLowry: yes12:17
LowryLike launch for os x12:17
mjg59Gcc: Then your configuration is wrong12:17
LowryThere was a java app12:17
Gccmjg59: i guess ubuntu's config is wrong12:17
GmailLowry: do the following command12:17
mjg59Gcc: No, ubuntu's config is not wrong12:17
Gcci tried also to use the default12:17
bob2Lowry: bpalogin12:17
nevynLowry: bpalogin is the thing you want...12:17
Gccmjg59: how do u explain it?12:17
Gcci tried it12:17
eimThe default ppc kernel won't support the internal speaker on iBooks. The kernel has to be patched and recompiled.12:18
Gccthe default config also didnt work12:18
mjg59Gcc: The ubuntu config requires an initrd12:18
Gmailsudo apt-get install bpalogin12:18
nevynGcc: it doesn't apply to a default kernel tree.12:18
bob2eim: to do what?12:18
GmailLowry: that was for you12:18
nevynmost probably.12:18
Gccnevyn: so i must downlaod a kernel tree/12:18
bob2eim: I get horrible-sounding audio out of it with a default kernel12:18
Gccnevyn: is there any hope to make an initrd12:19
Gccand not download tree12:19
nevynGcc: WHY are you doing this?12:19
Matt|did someone say there is support for burning audio cds in rhythmbox now?12:20
Gccnevyn: my connection right now is sucky and cant donwload th ekernel sources12:20
Gcci got 2.6.8 sources though12:20
Matt|Gcc, you can try making an initrd but you really should be using the ubuntu kernel12:20
GccMatt|: can u help me with that?12:20
nevynGcc: if you don't know what the f!@# you're doing why are you building a kernel?12:20
Gccis it easy12:20
Matt|Gcc, yes12:20
Gccive never before used initrd thats why12:21
Matt|Gcc, but let's make this clear: the only reason to build a kernel is to learn how to do it, it is not actually necessary12:21
nevyninitrd is not nessicary even on ubuntu if your kernel is correctly configured.12:21
GccMatt|: nope ive been building kernels from 2.4.x kernels12:21
PizbitGcc: 2.6 kernels are built differently to 2.612:22
Pizbiter, 2.412:22
Matt|Gcc, the command is "mkinitrd /boot/name_your_initrd", substitute the number of your kernel12:22
GccPizbit: 2.6 too12:22
Matt|Gcc, also have a read of the manual for mkinitrd12:22
eimbob2: I need the internal speaker mostly for irssi.12:22
Matt|Gcc, no guarantee it will boot though. You have to have the right config12:22
eimbob2: Before switching to ubuntu I had it working fine on sid.12:22
GccMatt|: ill use the default one12:23
Matt|Gcc, still no guarantee12:23
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mjg59Gcc: The default configuration won't support all of your hardware12:23
Matt|did someone say there is support for burning audio cds in rhythmbox now?12:24
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sjoerdMatt|: in cvs12:24
Matt|sjoerd, ah12:24
Matt|hoary is not using it?12:24
Matt|guess not12:25
Matt|thanks sjoerd12:25
bob2eim: doing *what*?12:25
agenteodoes wine exist in ubuntu?12:27
eimbob2: To correctly support the internal iBook speaker through ALSA.12:27
Todd_MA_1975agenteo: It's in universe12:27
nevyndesp: find something you like yet?12:28
LowryWhat is the better dvd option for a bronze powerbook g3 400?12:28
LowryWhat have ppl have good results with?12:28
agenteoTodd_MA_1975: thanks12:29
Matt|i tell you the best thing of updating to hoary: new supertux levels wwoooooo12:30
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Gmailbye Micksa12:30
mirakI got a problem12:30
Gmailyes and that is that your ircing as root12:30
mirakI qm root yes12:30
despnevyn: yeah, gedit is fine for now...and I installed vim documentation for later ;)12:30
despnow I have another question12:31
Gmailand use irc as a normal user12:31
bob2eim: do you have problems playing dvds on your ibook, btw?12:31
mirakI qm before init1 soplesas12:31
Gmailmirak: i'll tell you why after you do so12:31
mirakeho cares the stystem is deqd12:31
eimbob2: No, they work fine with totem-xine (not totem-gstreamer).12:31
mirakI qm at harware detection12:32
despI selected the american english locale during installation, because I prefer to have all applications in english.  however, I would now like to install another locale.  how can I do that?12:32
mirako please consider give me some help12:32
miraki am chatting in text mod12:32
mirakubuntu wont run a getty12:32
bob2eim: at a useful speed?12:32
mirakI consider reisnstqi everything12:32
eimbob2: I instead have troubles with pbbuttonsd and the sleep mode: It hangs on resume.12:33
mirakexept is somebody have a solution12:33
eimbob2: Yes.12:33
bob2eim: I get massive tearing and framedropping on my 1ghz g412:33
bob2eim: sleep on ibook g4 doesn't work yet12:33
mirakcould someone help, I cant even boot !12:33
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agenteoHi, I was tring to install the package education-mathematics and I've got this error: http://www.pastebin.com/117315 someone knows how can I get thoose packages?12:33
mirakdpkg is dead12:33
Matt|mirak, i can't quite understand the problem12:33
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Matt|mirak, what have you done to your system12:34
mirakmatt I am logued as root even before hardware detection12:34
mirakwell not really but, well12:34
Matt|mirak, what do you mean?12:34
mirakthe problem is that ubuntu fail to run a getty12:34
mirakso it won't go far12:35
Matt|mirak, what did you do to it?12:35
eimbob2: I have a G3 iBook2 here.12:35
eimbob2: 700MHz.12:35
Gmailmirak: 99.9% of clients ignore anyone with the username root and if you are ircing as root then i and a few other people see your comments12:35
mirakI upgraded to hoary12:35
bob2eim: oh, right12:35
mirakso i guess thats very unstable12:35
bob2eim: there's an open bug about that, with a patch12:35
Matt|mirak, works here12:35
despcan someone tell me how to add a locale to ubuntu?12:35
bob2eim: which seemed to work for someone last night.  try killing hal before sleeping.12:36
Matt|desp, "dpkg-reconfigure locales"12:36
bob2desp: dpkg-reconfigure locales12:36
bob2well, with sudo.12:36
bob2Gmail: no they don't12:36
bob2I've never seen a client that does that12:36
mirakmatt is there somekind of command that would reconfigure the base system ?12:36
eimbob2: I read about it, yes. Thanks.12:36
EfaistOsdoes someone have an ati 9600xT ?12:36
Matt|mirak, i totally don't understand the problem12:36
mercurushmm ... can totem-xine cope with .asf files ?12:36
Gmailbob2: sssshhhh i am tring to get him to irc as non-su12:36
bob2eim: if you can test and confirm it works, the patch could go in soon12:37
bob2Gmail: please don't lie to people12:37
Pizbitmercurus: Might need to get the w32codecs pack first12:37
Matt|Gmail, ircing as root is not a problem if you don't care about getting 0wn3d12:37
eimbob2: I'll see what I can do. Currently I'm fighting with importing my old stuff into evolution.12:37
bob2eim: ah, fair enough12:37
mjg59mirak: What happens when you boot your system?12:37
mirakmatt ok ubuntu boot, then do a fsck and then try to run a getty, you know the consols, but it can't, it fails, so it's stuck. then if i try to do ctrl+alt+sup, it fails also12:37
eimbob2: Do you have an IM contact?12:38
mercurusPizbit: I have the w32 codecs ... and totem is throwing up :x actually, i think it is .asx ..?12:38
bob2eim: "bob2 on irc" ;)12:38
mirakbecquse it can't find /sbin/reboot12:38
Matt|mercurus, is it an internet stream?12:38
eimbob2: Fine ;)12:38
mercurusMatt|: yes12:38
bob2agenteo: they're from universe, ubuntu doesn't guarantee they'll be installable12:38
Matt|mercurus, i haven't succeeded in playing one of those either12:38
bob2agenteo: you can file a bug, I guess12:38
GmailMatt|: lets Own3d him12:38
mercurusthough there's no motion thus far ... just a puddle :x12:39
mirakso I am loggued right know in root in text mod after cancellinfg the fsck of xfs ichwich opened a root console12:39
Matt|Gmail, his system is totally dead12:39
bob2Gmail: stop it.12:39
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bob2yes, it's stupid and annoying when people go on irc as root, but don't make it worse by going on and on12:39
GmailMatt|: well if he can login as root he can login as a normal user or even add one but bob2 said to stop it12:39
mirakmjg59 i will reinstall everythig, it's the only solution I can handle12:39
mjg59mirak: What do you mean by a getty? A text login or a graphical one?12:40
Matt|Gmail, at boot he is thrown into a root console i presume12:40
Todd_MA_1975agenteo: looks like grace is in universe kgeo is trickier it's homepage is http://kgeo.sourceforge.net/12:40
mjg59And in what way does it fail to launch them?12:40
mirakmjg59 a console text12:40
mirakI will try to run one manually12:40
Matt|mirak, all you did was to update to hoary?12:41
Matt|mirak, how did you upgrade?12:41
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CHRlSHello folks. Im a very new user, and the root privs are kind confusing me.... anyone availble to help?12:42
Matt|CHRlS, yup :)12:42
Matt|welcome to ubuntu12:42
CHRlSThanks... so far, I love it!12:42
Matt|me too. have been using it about a week ;p12:43
CHRlSThis is really my first X windows setup, and Gnome seems awesome!12:43
CHRlSVery slick ;-)12:43
LowryHi Chris12:43
CHRlSHere's the thing... I see Ubuntu doesn't allow root logins12:43
CHRlSHi Lowry :-)12:43
CHRlSSo, Id like to keep it this way, but Im not used to running a system like this.12:44
Matt|CHRlS,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root12:44
Elwoodmy ubuntu does12:44
logicHow can I get the Bluecurve icons for Gnome? Not on gnome-look12:44
LowryI am like you - new to ppc linux12:44
bob2CHRlS: basically, all the admin stuff in the menus will ask for your password when run, and will sudo themselves automagically12:45
bob2CHRlS: if you run something from a terminal, use "sudo blah" from your normal login12:45
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topylilogic: i downloaded a redhat-artwork debian package but i forget where :)12:45
logichmm i'll hunt for that12:45
CHRlSYeah, I've got that far, but I've also installed Squid. I can't get into the log file dir.12:45
CHRlSI tried > sudo cd squid12:45
CHRlS...but no luck12:45
homeasHi - I am trying to figure out how to make my terminals ?understand" utf-8 from my other computers.  For some reason the file system is not using utf8 when displaying files12:46
bob2CHRlS: "sudo -s"12:46
Matt|CHRlS, try sudo -s12:46
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homeasit works fine on all non-ubuntu machines - any ideas ?12:46
bob2CHRlS: will get you a root shell.  or you can "sudo ls /var/local/squid/blah" etc12:46
CHRlSOk. Im gonna try.12:46
mercurusMatt|: what have you tried as far as as(x|f) streams are concerned ?12:46
Matt|homeas, you could install utf support by doing dpkg-reconfigure locales. not sure if it will solve your prob tho12:46
Matt|mercurus, not much :(12:46
PhilFR_Ubuntuhi. New here.12:46
topylilogic: look for it on apt-get.org, there's three repositories with redhat-artwork12:47
Matt|does anyone know how to get these streams workin?12:47
mercuruswelcome PhilFR_Ubuntu12:47
PhilFR_Ubuntuthank you12:47
PhilFR_UbuntuCan I a technical question ?12:47
bob2PhilFR_Ubuntu: yes12:47
CHRlSWorked great.... ;-)12:47
Matt|CHRlS, good :)12:48
logictopyli: thanks12:48
topylilogic: actually, tiere's just one repository, listed three times. and it doesn't work :(12:48
homeasMatt|, ok - do I need to log out of X for it to take effect, since it probably changes systemwide env vars ?12:48
homeasMatt|, what streams ?12:48
Matt|homeas, no need to log out i don't think12:48
mercurushomeas: asf and asx12:48
PhilFR_UbuntuOK. I have a PC with IIYAMA vision master pro 454. X don't want to see it... What can I do, please ?12:48
Matt|homeas, internet media asf asx12:48
bob2PhilFR_Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XautoconfigurationDebug12:49
homeashm, still can't enter extended chars in the terminal.  strangely it works in some apps, like in this xchat window for example12:49
bob2homeas: which terminal are you using?12:49
homeasswitching a distro is like learning linux all over again12:50
homeasbob2, gnome-terminal12:50
bob2homeas: is your locale utf-8?12:50
homeasbob2, that? the thing, no LANG or LC_ is set in my env12:50
mercurusMatt|: woah ... think I got it working ...12:50
homeasbob2, so I?m trying to figure out where ubuntu does that12:50
Matt|mercurus, kewl how?12:50
bob2homeas: dpkg-reconfigure locales12:50
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mercurusMatt|: try this URI: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/listen/default.htm12:51
homeasbob2, yeah, just did that on suggestion of Matt|, but it hasn?t changed anything.  maybe i do need to log out after all12:51
Matt|homeas, maybe you can set utf-8 as your default12:51
mercurusMatt|: totem-xine, w32codecs, and mozplugger12:51
mercurusthen I've edited mozpluggerrc12:51
bob2homeas: erm, you need to log out and in for that to take effect12:51
PhilFR_UbuntuOk. See you ... go to try. Thanks12:51
mercurusand it ... well, worked :)12:51
Matt|mercurus, which stream? real or wmp?12:51
CraHananyone here using hoary?12:51
mercuruspity that is fuddy-duddy-fm ... let's see if I can get JJJ working12:51
mercurusMatt|: WMV212:52
Matt|CraHan, just started this morning12:52
CraHanMatt|: how does nautilus work for you?12:52
CraHancause here on all my machines, if I open my computer the disk icons are wrong12:52
CraHanand I can't open png and jpg files anymore12:52
CraHaneven after setting the associated apps12:52
mercurusMatt|: yep, definately working :)12:53
CraHanlike cdrom, floppy, filesystem and the network icon12:53
Matt|mercurus, ok will try installing mozplugger12:53
CraHanthey show CD-ROM%201.desktop12:53
Matt|hang on12:53
mercurusat this stage totem is loading outside mozilla, I'm going to try and dock it ...12:54
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Matt|CraHan, seems fine12:54
Matt|you mean computer:///?12:54
homeasman, there's something seriously screwy with lang settings, even on the console12:54
Matt|homeas, i can enter  in the terminal ok12:55
homeasit doesn't play chars correctly, and when I do manage to create files with accents in it, ls doesn't display them properly12:55
Matt|is that what you are trying to do12:55
homeasMatt|, trying to debug various things atm since it seems there is more than one thing working differently12:55
Matt|homeas, when doing the dpkg-reconfigure locales, at the end, set your DEFAULT maybe as utf-8?12:55
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homeasfor example, I switch to console, and type "touch t?st"12:55
Matt|then use alt-gr ' letter to insert accents12:56
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homeasthen it doesn't print ? when I type it, as if the console is in ascii and thus not showing a twobyte char correctly12:56
mercurusMatt|: totem is even visualising the stream :)12:56
homeasMatt|, yeah, I chose utf-8 in en_US12:56
Matt|homeas, did you then set it as default?12:57
homeasMatt|, yep12:57
Matt|mercurus, firefox is trying to load the page. am crossing fingers12:57
homeasmaybe the kernel is not compiled with utf8 support for console ?12:57
topylilogic: http://vemod.net/debian/packages :)12:57
CraHanMatt|: yeah12:57
Gmailhmm can there be a server iso for ubuntu that has what you need for a server which is like 100MB and you can probbly add vhcs.net and it will be a HUGE hit12:57
despcan someone explain to me why when I do xlsfonts I can see a thousand fonts, but only a few show up in Gnome/Fonts?12:58
Matt|CraHan, maybe there is something wrong with your icon package12:58
bob2desp: because you need to ignore xlsfonts12:58
logictopyli: Sweet :D12:59
homeasheh. this is too weird.  I pressed up and down arrows by accident on the console login screen.  Now it's displaying every character in uppercase12:59
homeasso it's saying UBUNTU LOGIN: now12:59
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jordihomeas: that's a feature :)12:59
jordihomeas: old Unix stuff. Some terminals only wrote in upper-case :)12:59
despbob2: okay, let me rephrase -- I need a monospaced sans-serif font like Bitstream's that has ISO-Latin-2 characters.  I just installed some fonts, including a xfonts-european package.12:59
despbob2: why the hell don't they show up in gnome?01:00
bob2desp: ignore xlsfonts01:00
nevynhrm I should get a lowercase rom for my ADA3D01:00
bob2desp: because you didn't tell /etc/fonts/local.conf about them01:00
mercurusMatt|: you'll have to edit /etc/mozpluggerrc and change the LONG mplayer command in the wmv section to say: totem "$file" >/dev/null01:01
despah, so apt-get couldn't do that?01:01
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mercurusTHEN, you have to delete ~/.mozilla/pluginreg.dat01:01
mercurusTHEN, restart firefox01:01
bob2desp: no, it can't01:01
Matt|mercurus, kthx01:01
homeasjordi, seriously ? I mean, even when I type it's in uppercase01:02
bob2homeas: yes, it's a feature01:02
homeasbob2, my curses apps are also not showing line chars, but lots of crap.01:02
bob2homeas: hit caps lock01:02
bob2homeas: are you using a utf-8 locale now?01:02
homeasbob2, yeah, but how can I be sure that my kernel and console are using it ?01:03
despbob2: so, after I enabled bitmapped fonts in local.conf, what do I need to do?01:03
bob2desp: nothing01:03
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despbob2: as far as I can see, the only fonts visible in gnome are defined in /etc/fonts/fons.conf -- so shouldn't this file be regenerated somehow?01:04
Matt|mercurus, have sent you a query01:04
mercurusMatt|: heh, indeed01:04
mercurusthat your mozplugerrc file ? just putting EVERYTHING through totem ?01:05
Matt|mercurus, i don't really understand it01:05
bob2desp: no01:06
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despnot even dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig? :P01:07
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Matt|mercurus, you're a genius01:08
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mjg59desp: That shouldn't be the full list of fonts01:09
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mjg59That's the set of fonts it'll use by default if a user doesn't ask for a specific font01:10
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despin any case, after doing reconfigure I can now see the fonts that I installed.01:13
Matt|bye all01:17
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FallenHitokiriHi. I installed k3b as the FAQ told me but when I try to start it I get 1000s of errors. I run strace and got a 2.4MB big file. Someone here who things he can help me and want to check the log?01:26
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Zimpeeam i right, that there is no ncurses-devel package on ubuntu-s cd?01:32
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Zimpeewheree can i find it?01:35
Zimpeein pool/main there is no linb dir01:35
Zimpeesorry, libn01:36
martinkit's in n/ncurses, because its source package is named ncurses01:37
Zimpeeso there isnot any package named libncurses5-dev01:38
bob2someone asked this on the list before01:38
bob2Zimpee: yes, there is01:38
bob2apt-get install libncurses5-dev01:38
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xinelanybody here know how to fix broken packages01:50
xinelusing synaptic i press the fix broken packages button but it dun work01:50
kentxinel, what do you mean with "broken"?01:50
xinelsynaptic tells me the package libc6-686 is broken01:51
xinelbut it can't fix it01:51
kentxinel, running "apt-get -f install" in gnome-terminal might help? It should fix broken packages..01:51
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xinelokies i got a error now01:52
amin2hi everybody01:53
xinelsays "dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 10021 package `gnome-bin':, `Depends' field, syntax error after reference to package `libgtk1.2', E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)"01:53
amin2could somebody help me: when I minimize a windows I could not see it on the panel (bottom) ?01:56
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amin2could somebody help me: when I minimize a windows I could not see it on the panel (bottom) ?01:58
xineldun see a gnome-bin01:58
kentxinel, are you using warty?01:59
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xinelkent: yes02:01
kentxinel, strange. I never had any problems with it.02:01
kentxinel, have you any strange repositories in apt (synaptic) or do you use the normal once? (the place you fetch the packages from..(02:03
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xinelive got some strange ones in there02:05
kentxinel, do the packages that caus the trouble come from there?02:06
xinelkent: i belive so02:07
xinelbut many packages rely on the one causing trouble02:08
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kentxinel, isn't gnome-bin a gnome1.4 package?02:09
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kentxinel, you shouldn't need to use that old gnome packages..02:09
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xinelkent: says ubuntu-base depends on libc6-i68602:11
gorlisthey what kind of distro is ubuntu?02:11
housetierthe best kind02:12
Matt|what he said ^^02:12
nevyngorlist: a linux distro?02:12
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kentxinel, that should probably be so. Libc is used to most applicatio, I belive..02:12
Matt|gorlist, is based on debian02:12
gorlistanything special about it?02:13
gorlistwhy should i prefer it from others i mean02:13
cyrus-tcgorlist, ... full workin after install incl. sound02:13
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kentgorlist, its released more often (6 months) it uses new gnome packages, and it "just works".02:13
cyrus-tcgorlist, real good hardware detection..02:14
cyrus-tci was suprised02:14
xinelkent: any ideas?02:14
gorlisthm yeah02:15
gorlistbut others don02:15
kentxinel, nope. Perhaps file a bugreport on bugzilla?02:15
gorlistdon't "just work"?02:15
cyrus-tcgorlist, in my opinion - no ;)02:15
kentgorlist, Debian is not realy a "just work"-distribution.02:15
housetiergorlist try and see, eventually you will have to decide for yourself if ubuntu is for you02:15
housetierwe can't possibly know02:16
gorlistyes you're right02:16
gorlist's its level?02:16
cyrus-tcgorlist, there is a live cd on the ftp - try it02:16
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gorlisti mean is it for intermediate-advanced users or newbie ones?02:16
Matt|gorlist, both of those02:17
amin2guys, whereis the tasklist ?02:17
Matt|i recommend it to my newbie friends02:17
Pizbitamin2: Task list?02:17
Matt|amin2, maybe applications --> system tools --> system monitor?02:18
fissyapplications > system tools > system monitor02:18
fissy /curse lag02:18
gorlistok thanks02:18
Matt|gorlist, should be easy to run02:18
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LowryGorlist - ubuntu installed on my g3 powerbook - the apps and hardware work well02:20
gorlistwhat's a wiki?02:20
LowryYou have a nice gui to get more apps02:20
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gorlistlowry i thought only macos was on mac...02:20
Lowrymac had beos, linux02:21
gorlist?mac has macos...02:21
Matt|wiki is like a readme02:21
darksatanicgorlist: It's a part of the Ubuntu website02:22
PhilFR_UbuntuHi again. Always pb with my IIyama vision master pro 454 and X .... I 'm looking for one idea...02:22
darksatanicgorlist: Wikis are websites that everyone can alter.02:22
Lowrywiki ppl can add to a section of a guide] \02:22
amin2could somebody help me: when I minimize a windows I could not see it on the panel (bottom) ? What's wrong ?02:22
darksatanicgorlist: See the address for the wiki in the /topic of this channel02:22
gorlisthow is that?02:23
darksatanicgorlist: Just go and take a look at it. All should become clear. :)02:23
Matt|amin2, you need to add the window list to the panel02:23
kentamin2, you probably dont have the tasklist applet. Add it by rightclicking and choose add..02:24
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gorlisti am looking at it now02:24
Matt|amin2,  right click, add to panel, windowlist02:24
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gorlistbut how is it done?php or smt?02:24
Zimpeewhich is the generic driver for all graphics cards? at install it asks, but there isn't my video card02:25
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PizbitZimpee: What do you have?02:25
ZimpeeNvidia GeForce 4 ti 4200 64MB TV-OUT02:25
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Zimpeenv driver doesnt work02:26
PizbitEh? nv should work02:26
Matt|i am so jealous of peoples video cards02:26
kentZimpee, have you tried using the nonfree driver?02:26
PhilFR_UbuntuLOL. NVIDIA 680002:26
Matt|/kick PhilFR_Ubuntu02:26
PhilFR_Ubuntulol ?02:26
Matt|i'm jealous of you02:26
kentI have a Nvidia TNT2. It works just perfectly.02:26
Zimpeekent: i'd, but i couldn't find the kernel source02:26
Zimpeeand it needs it02:27
Zimpeebut if i want to configure a new kernel, it messes with ncurses, says it is not installed. but it is02:27
kentZimpee, add restricted to apt (or synaptic) and install nvidia-glx. Thats all that is needed.02:27
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PhilFR_Ubuntumy card ok with suse, fc1 & 2, but noway to have X, it give me : no monitor with my iiyama master pro 454 .....02:28
Matt|Zimpee, for future reference, if you want to configure a kernel, which you should try to avoid, you need ncurses-dev02:28
Matt|for the makeconfig dialogue02:28
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Zimpeeyes i know, but it didn't find ncurses-dev02:28
Zimpeeand i didn't find it too02:28
Matt|go with what kent said for the video card02:28
mirwho can I connect to a remote x server with ubuntu?.. I had a choice in the login manager in my previous distro02:29
Matt|(it's probably libncurses-dev or something similar)02:29
LinuxJonesMir, it's under gdmsetup02:29
Zimpeekent : sorry, i don't understand what to do:) my english...:)02:29
kentZimpee, use synaptic. Edit the repositories (its in the menu) and add restricted where it sais main.. etc. Then refresh, and install nvidia-glx02:30
kentZimpee, i have to shower now. Perhaps some other can help you on this.02:30
Zimpeeoh, i got it02:30
Zimpeei got it, thanks kent02:30
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Zimpee[away] 02:30
mirLinuxJones: The allow running of xdmpc from login manager is marked??.. is there anything more ?02:31
gorlistubuntu has kde or gnome02:31
Matt|you can install kde of course02:31
PhilFR_UbuntuI tried "DEBUG_XFREE86_PACKAGE=yes XF86FORCEPROBE=yes dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" with or without nvidia driver (611), but nothing good....02:31
kentZimpee, though i think you have to manually edit /etc/X11/XF86config-4 and  change Driver "nv" to Driver "nvidia" or something..02:31
Zimpeebut at install, which driver to choose? nv? kent02:32
Deftnvidia-glx has a tool to change the setup automatically02:32
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Matt|Zimpee, you should be able to follow this guide: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto02:32
Zimpeethanks Matt|02:32
LinuxJonesmir, I think you have to tell X-server to accept communications on the machine that your trying to connect to. I can't remember exactly how tho.02:32
gorlistwhat's the hardware requirements?02:33
Matt|gorlist, what have you got?02:33
Matt|gorlist, you can find a list of supported hardware here: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HardwareSupport02:34
LinuxJonesmir, it might be easier to just use remote desktop :)02:34
mirLinuxJones: the machine I want to connect to is accepting sessions.. But I dont' see the XDMCP chooser in ubuntus login menu02:34
gorlisti want to get it on an old box02:34
gorlistit's celeron @333 128 ram02:34
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LinuxJonesmir sudo gdmsetup02:34
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mirLinuxJones: That would only allow one session wouldnt it?02:34
mirLinuxJones: I have configured gdmsetup.. :-)02:35
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Matt|gorlist, not sure. Should work ok02:35
amin2Matt!, Kent : thanks, it's just marvelous !! But my "hide all windows, and show desktop" applet is still gone.02:36
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Matt|amin2, you can add that too :)02:36
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bob2gorlist: 128MB will be a bit sucky with gnome02:36
bob2but give it a go02:37
LinuxJonesmir  I think so just 1 yes02:37
Matt|amin2, right click on panel, add, "Show Desktop"02:37
Matt|gorlist, a friend of mine runs ubuntu with 128MB02:37
Matt|uses openoffice and everything02:37
Matt|dunno the processor tho02:37
amin2Matt|, yes it's working but not hiding others opened windows.02:38
mercurusI've just installed Warty on a P2 233 w\ 128 ... it takes an eternity to boot up, but if you disable icons in menus it is quite workable02:38
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mirLinuxJones: I changed the theme to GNome Happy and now I see the remote chooser02:38
Matt|amin2, you added the "show desktop" icon, not the "desktop" icon?02:38
Zimpeeand then, how can i install the nvidia official driver? i need it, or no?02:39
Matt|Zimpee, should work like that02:39
gorlistif i add a dimm and make it 256?02:39
amin2Matt! thanks, it's indeed marvelous. Thanks again :))02:39
Matt|gorlist, you will be superfly02:39
gorlist:) thanks!02:39
Matt|i have 192 on this shared with the video card02:39
gorlistif i use fluxbox instead of gnome?02:40
Matt|amin2, np02:40
gorlisti guess i 'll be ok...no?02:40
Matt|gorlist, supersuperfly02:40
Matt|gorlist, i reckon gnome will be ok tho myself02:40
gorlistwhat's the lightest gui for linux out there/02:40
Matt|gorlist, my fav is icewm02:41
Matt|but there are lighter ;)02:41
Matt|blackbox maybe02:41
gorlistis it the full name?02:41
Matt|gorlist, yp02:41
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elwoodgorlist,  openbox!02:41
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Matt|icewm is really cool02:41
gorlistk thanks ...but what about the one with the most potentials?02:41
Matt|icewm - wonderful Win95-OS/2-Motif-like window manager02:42
gorlistnot necessarily light02:42
Matt|even apt describes it as "wonderful"02:42
gorlisti mean the most powerful02:42
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amin2so, gnome is a win-manager, what's is nautilus ?02:43
gorlistthe explorer i think02:43
Matt|nautilus is the file manager for gnome02:44
Matt|yeah a bit like "my computer" in windows02:44
housetiergnome is a desktop environment02:44
housetiernot a window manager02:44
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cyrus-tcbob2 will have a running desktop enviroment in about 30 min ;) (depending on your system)02:50
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bob2heh, I've been running it on my mac for months02:51
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cyrus-tci was so dmn suprised of ubuntu - i ve a raid controller and thought that it will never work - but it detected it all and after 20 min incl. reboot there was the ubuntu login incl sound ;)02:54
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Zimpeeyeah, i have the graphical interface. but i know have problems with the domains. i only can use ip to find something. How can i solve this problem?02:56
bob2how do you access the internet?02:56
SaLtAiRi still cant boot from my 8g usb hd02:57
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bob2does your bios support booting from a usb drive?02:57
Zimpeebob2: i did a pppoeconf, and it works02:58
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saltaircan disp grub02:58
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saltairroot            (hd0,0)02:59
saltairkernel          /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash02:59
saltairinitrd          /boot/initrd.img02:59
gorlistwhat are the differences between Gnome and KDE?03:02
cyrus-tcreligion in my eyes03:02
ZimpeeKde is better03:02
[Mirak] gnome is better.........let the battle begin03:02
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housetierthe difference lies in the eye of the beholder03:03
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[Mirak] gorlist, just from first look kde looks like windows, and gnome looks like osX03:03
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[Mirak] lies03:04
housetierthanks :)03:04
[Mirak] :)03:04
housetierI use TBOAW03:04
[Mirak] ??nevr heard of it??03:05
housetierThe Best Of All Worlds03:05
housetierkde gnome xfce you name it03:05
thoreauputicgorlist: http://kdelook.org/index.php?xcontentmode=34   <---- some kde screenshots03:05
Zimpeehow to slide my screeen to a bit left? i can't see the half of my gnome desktop.03:05
[Mirak] ahh....03:05
[Mirak] Zimpee, does your monitor have a menu??....do it there03:06
gorlistlol i meant if you think the one is better than the other then tell the reason too03:06
housetieronly valid reason: personal preference03:06
[Mirak] gorlist, i am linux newb, about a month old, kde kinda pushed me away from linux, as where gnome pulled me in03:06
jdubdudes, please give the kde vs. gnome stuff a rest03:07
gorlistmirak why?03:07
housetiergorlist it doesn't matter03:08
Zimpee[Mirak]  : i meant xvidtunes, somebody helped me03:08
[Mirak] gorlist, oh.....idk then03:08
saltairfvwm is better03:09
housetierI think its enough already of that "foo is better" nonsense03:09
[Mirak] gorlist, the answer to which is better is "which is better to YOU" try them both....gnome is ubuntu default, and kde is apt-getable, xfce4 is also apt-getable, you might as well try that too03:09
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chemajabut foo IS better03:10
chemajaalthough while you're at it, you may as well try out bar and baz03:11
bob2is grub going to be able to boot hdf if it's grub-install'd to hda?03:11
chemajathey're both apt-getable03:11
jdubbob2: yeah03:11
chemajaubuntu uses foo by default03:11
thoreauputicgorlist: some prefer one, some the other : I use neither . Look at http://xwinman.org for information on the bewildering number of choices :)03:11
bob2jdub: getting "error 21", which sounds like (from google) "your bios doesn't know about that disk"03:11
chemajabut some people like bar and baz03:11
[Mirak] chamaja, bar? baz?03:11
chemajait really depends on YOU03:11
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jdubbob2: ... does your bios know about that disk? :)03:12
eimbob2: Any experiences with exim4 and dynamic smarthosts? I use guessnet over here to adapt the system to a given network. updating the exim4 smarthost dynamically could be useful.03:12
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jdubeim: you could do that fairly easily with postfix03:12
bob2jdub: no, it's on a pci ide thing03:12
chemaja[Mirak] : foo, bar, baz.. the three metavariables.03:12
jdubjust use postconf -e03:12
[Mirak] chamaja, sorry....thnx03:12
jmichelI would like to know if the following bug has already been reported03:12
bob2jdub: oh, I guess grub uses the bios to see disks03:12
jmichelI installed ubuntu using my old debian sid partitions03:13
Zimpeedo you know any problems with Domain servers? the nameservers are set corectly, but cant reach any servers with their hostnames03:13
jmicheland the installer did not activate my swap03:13
jmichelso every time my ram was full03:13
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bob2Zimpee: how do you connect to the internet?03:13
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jmichelthe computer was freezing03:13
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Zimpeebob2: yes03:13
jmicheldo I need to report this bug ?03:13
eimjdub: I've just replaced postifx with exim4 over here.03:14
bob2eim: postfix lets you do that, as jdub says03:15
thoreauputicjmichel: put a line in /etc/fstab something like this one:03:15
bob2eim: what I do is send all my mail over a vpn, so I don't need to futz with postfix at all03:15
eimbob2: exim, too. I did it in the past using exim3 on sid.03:15
bob2eim: or find a smarthost that does smtp auth03:15
jmichelthoreauputic, I know thx03:15
thoreauputicjmichel: /dev/hda7  none  swap  sw  0  0  (not hda7 on yours, necessarily)03:15
jmichelI know03:15
thoreauputicjmichel: OK - just in case :)03:15
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jmichelbut it took me a while to figure out what was going wrong03:16
shank_i have a silly question03:16
[Mirak] shoot03:16
jmichelI'm not here to ask how to fix it, but to ask if I need to report it03:16
shank_i accidently moved my bottom panel to the lft03:16
jmichelbut thanks03:16
shank_how do i put it back?03:16
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[Mirak] shank_, right click on it...go to properties......its in there03:17
[Mirak] shank_, cahnge the orientation03:17
thoreauputicjmichel: I've had similar things happen installing other distros - I doubt it's ubuntu specific03:17
shank_[Mirak] , yeah, having a hard time finding space that's not an applet03:17
eimbob2: I just need to be able to replace dc_smarthost='smarthost.org' in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf dynamically using a one-liner.03:17
shank_[Mirak] , ok got it, thanx :-)03:18
LingerHem .. I have a question too, btw I am new with Linux and Ubuntu is the very first distro I installed.03:18
bob2eim: you can use sed, of course03:18
[Mirak] shank_, remove an applet.....change the orientation......put the applet back03:18
[Mirak] shank_, oh...you got it03:18
eimbob2: Could be a solution, yes. I just need to get the syntax working.03:18
LingerI have 2 hard disks .. in the Primary I have WinXp and in the Sec there is Ubuntu ..03:18
bob2sed -e's/dc_smarthost=".*/dc_smarthost="blah.com"/03:18
bob2erm, and a final '03:18
jmichelthoreauputic, ok ;o) but I think the installer should handle it, no ?03:18
eimbob2: I try, thanks.03:18
shank_how do i put a "home" folder on my desktop?03:19
LingerUhm .. Ubuntu "does not see" the primary hard disk (with Win Xp)03:19
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kentLinger, becaus you are perhaps using NTFS?03:19
jmichelanyway, I'm in a hurry, I'll come back later to discuss it ;o)03:19
jmichelby everyone03:19
Lingerbut for my notebook's Hard disk (NFTS) in the LAN is ok03:19
thoreauputicjmichel: I guess so. I'm not a developer so I can't say03:20
jmichelbyE sorry03:20
kentLinger, but on the LAN its used as a samba-share, and on your computer you have to mount it as NTFS, and thats problematic on Linux.03:20
azuzakLinger, I use this line in my /etc/fstab: /dev/hda1 /home/dewd/win ntfs ro,user,umask=022 0 003:21
LingerUhm .. is it too hard .. oh thanks! :)03:21
azuzakwhere /dev/hda1 points to the NTFS partition and /home/dewd/win points to the directory where I want to mount the partition03:22
[Mirak] why does "cd player" not give me any sound??....i can watch a dvd with sound?03:22
[Mirak] btw, i have a combo drive03:23
azuzakLinger, you should make clear you understand what you need to do. After that that line should do it. and then reboot :)03:24
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sjoerdMicksa: what kind of machine?03:24
LingerEh I will try thanks! :)03:24
sjoerd[Mirak] : what kind of machine?03:24
sjoerdMicksa: sorry wrong dude03:24
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[Mirak] sjoerd, ummm......i built it.....desktop? if that is what you are asking03:25
sjoerd[Mirak] : is your cd drives audio out connected to your soundcard ?03:25
[Mirak] sjoerd, nope, but i still get sound from dvd's03:25
sjoerd[Mirak] : dvd's are completely different03:26
[Mirak] sjoerd, is it just "cd player" that required it?03:26
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sjoerd[Mirak] : with audio cd's the software can tell the cddrive to play, without needing to decode iself03:26
[Mirak] sjoerd, yeah....i see your point.....stupid me.....windows xp still on the brain03:27
sjoerd[Mirak] : you either need to connect the audio cable or use a player that does the playing in software03:27
LingerSee U soon! and thanks!03:27
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[Mirak] sjoerd, ill just do the cable.....its no biggie....about 2 seconds03:28
sjoerdthat's the easiest method :)03:28
eimbob2: How can I match something inside ' ' using sed? Thanks.03:28
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bob2eim: what do you mean?03:29
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wfxmaybe he main all between ' and '03:30
eimbob2: I would like to replace a generic string contain inside '', e.g: dc_smarthost='generic_string' -- In this case I would like to match generic_string.03:30
eimbob2: Something like dc_smarthost='*'03:31
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bob2I don't think this is how you want to solve your original problem03:31
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[Mirak] oops?03:33
Gmailoops? what?03:33
wfxand what does it mean ;-)03:33
neuro|laptopmeans someone hasn't set +t in the channel :)03:33
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu:neuro|laptop] : : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/ || Wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ || Lists: http://lists.ubuntu.com/ || Bugs: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ || warty is out, no X.org, please wait || Please don't paste in the channel, use http://www.pastebin.com/ or #flood || CDs will ship in a few weeks || offtopic discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[Mirak] Gmail, i changed topic...didnt mean too03:34
eimbob2: The sed code you provided ufortunately does not work.03:34
bob2[Mirak] : please don't do that03:34
[Mirak] neuro|laptop,  thnx03:34
Gmailwhy isn't it locked?03:34
[Mirak] bob2, i didnt mean too......i am sorry03:34
[Mirak] bob2, i said oops03:34
mirak[Mirak] : change your nick I am tired03:34
mirakit's like if my nick is [[mirak] ] 03:35
Gmailwhy to #ubuntu-offtopic why not to #freenode or #offtopic03:35
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bob2eim: sed -e"s/^dc_smarthost=\'.*/dc_smarthost=\'blah\'/" < /etc/exim.conf03:35
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[[mirak] ] hey03:35
bob2Gmail: #freenode is not for random off-topic crap03:35
neuro|laptopdefinitely not03:35
[[mirak] ] bob2: how are you ?03:35
neuro|laptopin fact it's moderated03:35
bob2annoyingly moderated03:36
neuro|laptopwith no clear immediate indication of who the network admins are :)03:36
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eimbob2: this works:  sed -e '/dc_smarthost/{s/'.*'/dc_smarthost='foo.bar.org'/;}' update-exim4.conf.conf03:36
Gmailbob2: it seems to alway be talking about offtopic stuff03:36
bob2eim: yeah...03:37
robertjNautilus is more similar ot the OS 9 Finder or the Windows 95 Explorer really03:37
bob2eim: that is equivalent to what I said, but slightly less strict03:37
robertjdoh, wrong channel ;)03:37
[Mirak] haha03:37
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bob2can someone on intel paste me a the grub command line that uses the initrd?03:38
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wfxi cant fine the site on www.ubuntu.org for making themes03:39
wfxfine ups :) find03:39
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wfxhmm and it is www.ubuntulinux.org (sorry :-)03:40
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xinelgrrr libc6-i686 is my nemesis03:40
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EfaistOswhy an usb external bus is not mounted when you plug it ?03:41
EfaistOswhat are the modules to enable ?03:41
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Zimpeeanother q: how to set the frequency of the monitor? e.g. from 65 to 85 Hz [MHz?] 03:45
bob2EfaistOs: ntfs?03:45
Zimpeeonly in XFree86 Config file?03:45
wfxZimpee, Example: but this in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 HorizSync    30.0 - 110.0 and VertRefresh  50.0 - 160.003:46
zabu\buitenq: why doesn't ubuntu find my cdrom @ install??? how ever he boots from it ? :s help?03:46
kensaizabu\buiten: the pc is the one that boots not ubuntu03:46
bob2zabu\buiten: your bios boots the cd03:47
zabu\buitenit's a shuttle03:47
bob2zabu\buiten: ask on the list03:47
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zabu\buitenoh ic, i also changed my cd-drive but no change03:48
wfxZimpee, look at this example http://www.pastebin.com/11735703:48
Zimpeeand this sets the global frequency? ya know what i am speakin' about?03:49
Zimpee1 number, not 203:50
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zabu\buitenbob2: what list?03:50
wfxZimpee, in gnome is utility that do it for you computer/systemconfiguration/03:51
wfxZimpee, dont know how the last is in english named (i use german)03:52
netmonkhow can i set my sound card, when I try to opne Volume control ti tells me: Error: Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found03:52
zabu\buitenbob2: do you maybe know what the problem could be ?03:52
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Zimpeewfx : i found it: Screen resolution:)03:54
wfxZimpee, by hand it was anything with 1600x1200@85 (example and not sure if this right)03:55
wfxZimpee, oh nice so it works :-)03:58
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Kal_ZakathI can't set my locales correctly03:58
Kal_Zakathdoes anybody has problem with locales ??03:59
Kal_ZakathI of course did -dpkg-reconfigure locales03:59
Kal_Zakathdpkg-reconfigure locales03:59
LinuxJonesKal_Zakath, dpkg-reconfigure locales03:59
Kal_Zakathdoesn't work03:59
LinuxJonesKal_Zakath, you can try dpkg-reconfigure console-data03:59
Kal_ZakathI still have problems03:59
Kal_Zakathnope, same problem04:00
Kal_ZakathI have messages like this all the time :04:00
Kal_Zakathperl: warning: Setting locale failed.04:00
Kal_Zakathperl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:04:00
Kal_Zakath        LANGUAGE = "fr_BE:fr_FR:fr:en_GB:en",04:00
Kal_Zakath        LC_ALL = (unset),04:00
Kal_Zakath        LANG = "fr_FR"04:00
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Kal_Zakath    are supported and installed on your system.04:01
Kal_Zakathperl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").04:01
Kal_Zakathlocale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory04:01
Kal_Zakathlocale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory04:01
Kal_Zakathlocale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory04:01
wfxKal_Zakath, use http://www.pastebin.com/04:01
Kal_Zakathwell that's all04:02
Kal_Zakathdidn't saw that04:02
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Kal_Zakathnevermind for the locales04:11
Kal_Zakathit was my fault04:11
Kal_Zakatha rotten zshenv file04:11
SilvioTOhi, I have a problem... I don't find help on the forums. my external modem usrobotics 56k on com1 is recognized by ubuntu install version, but don't activate it.04:11
bob2what would activating it entail?04:13
WWWhere is the correct place to suggest changes or corrections to the main Ubuntu web page?  ubuntu-doc mailing list? Bugzilla?04:13
bob2what sort of changes/04:13
WWbob2: There is a page with a nice description of main, restricted and universe, but it doesn't include multiverse.04:14
SilvioTOthis is my post in forum...04:14
SilvioTOHi, I'm installed ubuntu for i386 on my pc.04:14
SilvioTOthe problem is internet connection on US Robotics 56k EXTERNAL on serial port 1.04:14
SilvioTOIn gnome network setting, the modem automatically recognized in /dev/ttyS0 (modem o tranfer cable), device ppp0. I'm setup account, trying to activate device, modem regulary dial number of isp, connect, and 1 second after disconnect.04:14
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bob2WW: ubuntu-doc, I guess04:15
bob2if you have text you want on there, I can add it (I think)04:15
biollointernal pci isdn don work04:15
kensaihow can I do the n with the ~ on top?04:17
kensaiI also speak spanish and need that letter04:17
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kalle_im running ubuntu on my ibook.04:18
kalle_i got two partitions04:18
kalle_can i merge these partitions?04:18
kalle_i dont care about the data on one of them04:18
bob2on the filesystem and the ordering04:18
kalle_on what?04:18
bob2ext2/3 and xfs can expand upwards04:19
kalle_hda4 is my root. ext304:19
kalle_hda5 is 50GB disk i want to extend to hda404:20
kalle_so to speak04:20
bob2you want to delete hdaW5 and extend 4 up into that space?04:20
[Mirak] how many gigs you got on that ibook?04:20
bob2mine has 6004:20
[Mirak] hmmm04:20
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bob2use mac-fdisk to delete hda504:21
bob2back everything up before you do this04:21
Matt|hi: quick question. When I install a package and it doesn't get added to the gnome menu automatically, can i file a bug, or should i just stfu?04:21
bob2Matt|: you can send a patch, I guess04:21
[Mirak] Matt|, id ont believe that they all get added......have to do it manually04:22
bob2not sure if it will be accepted or not04:22
matt__does Ubuntu come with a compiler? I can't find cc, gcc, or anything...04:22
Matt|bob2, i am not experienced with debian so can't make a patch04:22
[Mirak] Matt|, at least thats what i was told04:22
crimsunmatt__: sudo apt-get install build-essential04:22
kalle_matt, apt-get install gcc04:22
bob2matt__: install build-essential04:22
matt__ah, thx both04:22
Matt|[Mirak] , yes that is true, but i think that the aim is to have most packages added to the menu automatically: they just don't get round to doing them all: there are too many!04:22
bob2in Debian they are all in the menu04:23
bob2that was disabled explicitly in ubuntu04:23
kalle_so i delete hda5 and hda4, then re-create hda4 spanning the whole disc?04:23
[Mirak] Matt|, oh....04:23
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Matt|bob2, oh i c, it is intentional?04:23
kalle_ext3 wont go die on me?04:23
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[Mirak] bob2, any idea why?04:23
bob2kalle_: NO04:23
bob2[Mirak] : because it makes the debian menu enormous04:23
bob2kalle_: I did not say to delete hda404:24
kalle_bob2, you didnt say nothing, thats why im asking :)04:24
Matt|bob2, but if people install packages which are outside the base system, do you think that they should join the menu automatically?04:24
Matt|kalle_, <bob2> use mac-fdisk to delete hda504:24
bob2Matt|: no04:24
[Mirak] bob2, is there an EASY way to add them?, or just this PATCH you speak off04:24
bob2[Mirak] : applications:/// in nautilus04:25
Matt|bob2, why not?04:25
kalle_but deleting one partiotion wont make another partition grow?04:25
bob2kalle_: read what I said04:25
stuNNedbob2, reason why abiword wasn't added to the menu?04:25
Matt|easytag is also not added to the menu04:25
bob2stuNNed: it doesn't have a .desktop file, I guess04:25
bob2Matt|: because the debian menu is huge and unwieldly04:25
bob2Matt|: tho I don't care much either way, I never use the men uanyway04:25
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bob2(plus it's not my decision)04:25
xf_howdy. know this sounds odd, but is there a known issue with some machines where ubuntu installs off cd media slowly? i can install windows/debian stable on the machine fine, cdrom is fine, hardware checks ok04:25
shank_how do i put my laptop alseep?04:25
bob2kalle_: as I said, use ext2fsresize or whatever it's called04:26
xf_a top shows about 10% cpu usage. not sure where the issue is. guess it's a bug with the new debian installer or something04:26
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bob2shank_: does your laptop support that under linux?04:26
shank_it did with apm04:26
shank_not sure about acpi04:26
[Mirak] shank_, i believe it may be an adventure...so suit up04:26
xf_system is a duron 800, 512mb ram, via chipset. cd drive is a 32X sony cdrw04:26
kalle_bob2, ah, didnt see that04:26
Matt|bob2, but in answer to my question, i shouldn't file a bug?04:26
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bob2Matt|: I don't think it's considered a bug04:26
RageMaxdoes anyone else experience a delay when hitting alt+F2 for the "run" application and typing in text?04:27
Matt|bob2, yeah that's what i thought04:27
bob2Matt|: you can if you like, and someone will tell you they disagree04:27
bob2Matt|: or ask on the list04:27
Matt|bob2, oh yeah better idea04:27
bob2I have nothing to do with the distro, I just know what I hear04:27
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Matt|bob2, oh i c04:27
Matt|bob2, i thought you were a developer04:27
[Mirak] bob2, thought you were dev?04:27
bob2Matt|: not on ubuntu04:27
Matt|developers should get ops in here04:27
bob2Matt|: we do04:27
Matt|are you one or not04:28
bob2= canonical staff04:28
[Mirak] lol04:28
bob2xf_: does disabling the archive copier help?04:28
Matt|bob2, i mean ubuntu developers should get ops, which are visible ;p04:28
bob2Matt|: why?04:28
stuNNedMatt|, h*ll no i say04:28
bob2visible ops is pointless04:28
crimsunxf_: DMA is not enabled by default for ATAPI cd-roms04:28
bob2if people want to be fucks, they can be banned easily either way04:29
Matt|bob2, it's not for that04:29
[Mirak] bob2, do canocial staff get paid to hang in the room?....err, do they hang in the rom while on the clock?04:29
stuNNedwhen you start opping ppl and voicing ppl then it starts sucking imho04:29
bob2xf_: archive-copier/copy=false is the boot option to try04:29
Matt|bob2, it is so that users can see that they are talking to developers or not04:29
bob2Matt|: does it matter if they know?04:29
shank_bob2, think i found it, time to try it04:29
Matt|for example, i asked you questions about ubuntu policy, thinking you were a developer04:30
bob2[Mirak] : I think they do some support on-the-clock04:30
bob2Matt|: does it matter if I'm not?04:30
Matt|it doesn't matter04:30
bob2I'm still a debian maintainer04:30
thoreauputicMatt|: if the devs were marked, they would probably get swamped :)04:30
bob2and I still spend far too much time reading ubuntu lists ;)04:30
Kal_Zakath<[Mirak] > bob2, do canocial staff get paid to hang in the room?....err, do they hang in the rom while on the clock? <--- I want to find a job where I can hang on irc all day long, but I don't think that exist :D04:30
stuNNedMatt|, why do you want ops? this is freenode, better w/out them imho04:30
Matt|thoreauputic, yeah that is the downside04:31
[Mirak] bob2, kk...thnx :)04:31
Matt|stuNNed, you are misunderstanding me04:31
[Mirak] Kal_Zakath, i hang in the room all day whilst im at work.....04:31
bob2Kal_Zakath: hah04:31
Kal_Zakathyaeh, so do I, but it's isn't really what I'm supposed to do :D04:31
Matt|i wanna job like you guys04:32
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[Mirak] Kal_Zakath, supposed to.....ha.....04:32
bob2Matt|: I can pass along your op suggestion if you like, though04:32
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Matt|bob2, well actually i have been convinced by thoreauputic's counter-argument04:32
bob2Matt|: (I wasn't taking it personally, just curious as to what you see the the advantage to be)04:32
bob2well, swamping is a problem04:33
Matt|bob2, yup04:33
bob2but the ubuntu developers are well-known04:33
bob2but @ is a lot more obvious than "oh, I know who that is"04:33
Matt|bob2, you are right, the best place for ubuntu policy questions is the mail list04:33
bob2Matt|: yeah04:34
bob2the developers are far more likely to see it therwe04:34
xf_bob2: will try, ta04:34
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Matt|bob2, just to make it clear, my suggestion (now retracted) was not because the developers are better at solving problems than anyone else04:34
Matt|i wasn't dissing your geek skillz04:34
rebirthusing oss or alsa, how do i reset the levels for bass/treble and pcm? :x04:34
bob2Matt|: hah, I know04:34
Matt|i gtg04:35
Matt|laters all04:35
bob2Matt|: more as a "since they're paid to do it, they know which way the decision was made"04:35
stuNNedbob2, im my exp with other channs first it starts out @ops then voiced folks then this whole hierarchy thing starts which is pointless imho on freenode at least04:36
bob2yeah, I'm against it on that principle04:37
kalle_anyone running MOL? how do i create a HFS-partition on linux?04:37
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kentrebirth, The gnome volume control?04:41
rebirthreset them, to their defaults04:41
rebirthi tweaked the shit out of it and it sounds awful in movies, so i want to reset then04:41
wfxhmmm, please how can i use my dv with ieee1394 and kino (found no dev in /dev but modluses are loaded)04:42
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wfx where do i find the device entry for ieee1394 (is it in /sys/bus/ieee1394/ ?).04:49
synapsehey, how do I make a bash script run whenever i log into Gnome?04:50
weasellois there any sort of fun physicsy game out there for linux? something like... with gravity or something? :)04:51
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kentsynapse,  in the session properties?04:51
synapseok thanks04:51
matt__woo hoo. i love it when a compile comes together.04:51
eimAnyone in here got a PcTel base WinModem running on Ubuntu? Thanks.04:52
weaselloWhat's the ip addy of your own machine again? ;)04:53
thoreauputiceim: have a look here: http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/welcome.html04:54
weaselloI'm remembering
jsantihey guys, I've just installed UBUNTU but I need lots of packages from Universe repository, the problem is I have dial-up connection so updating through the net would be veeery slow. Is there any way to burn any ISO images of those repositories so I can download 'em at my work and then update my box at home?  Does ubuntu provide more CDs like debian?04:54
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eimthoreauputic: I've seen the website, thanks. Have you a PcTel WinModem?04:54
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thoreauputiceim: no, mine is Lucent04:55
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eimthoreauputic: Does it work fine? Difficult to set up?04:55
shad0w913i've been bitten by this bug, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=144404:55
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kensaiany plans of optimizin ubuntu to i586 or i686?04:56
kenteim, the jigdo thing might be helpful? I heard of it here..04:56
thoreauputiceim: actually Dynalink with the lucent chip - it works fine and is pretty easy to set up04:56
thoreauputiceim: but I'm using Debian, not Ubuntu04:56
eimthoreauputic: In end it's more or less the same, IMHO.04:57
eimthoreauputic: Have you compiled external sources to get the whole thing running?04:57
thoreauputiceim: you might need kernal headers, build-essential and such04:57
eimthoreauputic: Or are there already some pre-build Debian kernel-modules available?04:58
eimthoreauputic: Not the entire Linux kernel source?04:58
thoreauputiceim: for lucent there might be debs04:58
eimthoreauputic: Fine.04:58
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thoreauputiceim: I'm using a dynalink driver (non-free) that didn't need compiling (binary)04:59
eimthoreauputic: I once heared there's also one you need to pay for.04:59
WWweasello: Re: gravity games: Fire up Synaptic and search for "gravity" in "Description and Name". You'll see a few possibilities.04:59
thoreauputiceim: I meant non-free as in "speech" :)05:00
thoreauputiceim: http://www.dynalink.com.au/support/linux.htm05:00
eimthoreauputic: Yes, I understod. Anyway there were also some drivers you have to pay for unfortunately.05:00
thoreauputiceim: looks like dynalink have dropped support anyway :(05:01
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eimthoreauputic: Argh.05:01
thoreauputiceim: probably couldn't be bothered with the 2.6 kernel because it doesn't work with proprietary drivers05:02
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eimthoreauputic: You could "force" the module to load anyway.05:03
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thoreauputiceim: better link for lucent drivers: http://www.heby.de/ltmodem05:04
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keknehvWhen I try to load 3d applicaties (e.g., tuxracer) I get the error message:"Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"." (among other things05:09
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keknehvBut I think it should be "1:0:0, not :0:0"05:10
Kal_Zakathkeknehv : your 3D card isn't recognised05:10
keknehvSo how do I change that setting?05:10
danielsno, it should be :0.005:10
Kal_Zakathwhat does glxinfo say ?05:10
vortex25hey I'm looking for what extra repositories people recommend, for instance i'm looking for one that has monkey-bubble and especially one that has helix player05:11
shank_how do i get apm module to load at boot?05:11
keknehvit gives me a bunch of "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"."s, among other things05:11
shank_update-modules manpage isn't any help05:11
shank_ok, /etc/modules i assume05:11
thoreauputicshank_: pu it in /etc/modules05:11
shank_thoreauputic, :-)05:11
keknehvI was having trouble with my graphics before...05:12
Kal_Zakathkeknehv : what is your 3D card ?05:12
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keknehvIt's a pci Geforce305:12
shad0w913can anyone help me?05:12
shad0w913blah blah blah05:12
shad0w913can anyone hear me?05:12
keknehvUbuntu was confusing it with my built in Intel Extreme...05:12