[12:00] <diviy1> guess  what it dint work
[12:00] <Calvin> eeeekkkk .. ppl .. is there any place ubuntu saves XF86Config files .. except for /etc/X11 ? i edited the X11/ file but no changes
[12:01] <Espectro> i would advice to mail the usb mass storage developer and try to make him get it to work
[12:01] <ShadowHawk> Ubuntu still seems to think I have PCMCIA stuff.  How do I remove all PCMCIA related junk?
[12:01] <stuNNed> hi all
[12:01] <stuNNed> anyone get linuxant hsf modem drivers to work with ubuntu?
[12:01] <alfa2004> hola
[12:02] <ShadowHawk> diviy1: Have you gotten that card working on that laptop before?
[12:02] <eckstejs> Espectro: Thanx. Will collect some more information (with which kernel it worked and not and so on). Will be a long night ;). Thanx and CU
[12:02] <arc_> alfa2004: speak english please
[12:02] <alfa2004> helo
[12:03] <Espectro> oblig simpsons: "screaming is understood in all languages"
[12:03] <alfa2004> love
[12:03] <diviy1> had  window  b4  no  prob linux   wont  connect  at all
[12:03] <ShadowHawk> diviy1: Could Ubuntu find the card and add it after you removed it, it just couldn't activate it?
[12:04] <homeas> yah - third java deb, some symlinking, and finally a working java plugin !
[12:04] <ShadowHawk> Err let me rephrase that: Could Ubuntu add the card after you removed it?  Could it activate it?
[12:04] <diviy1>  it just couldn't activate it
[12:04] <Calvin> anyone knows the XFree86 module / device driver for S3 Prosavage card ? i have tried all the Savage / s3virge options .. no luck !
[12:05] <Espectro> java debs? i just would download java from the page and made the symlink...
[12:05] <ShadowHawk> You have just the  one network card, right?
[12:05] <diviy1> yes
[12:07] <ShadowHawk> Can you open up a terminal and message me the output of sudo lspci and sudo ifconfig please?
[12:09] <homeas> Espectro, now you tell me :) why not before ?
[12:09] <Espectro> because most debian users think if they can't find a deb package then software will not work
[12:09] <homeas> Espectro, ok, so why tell me now then after I installed something ?
[12:10] <Espectro> maybe because i wasn't here or noticed when you asked?
[12:10] <Calvin> anyone knows the XFree86 module / device driver for S3 Prosavage card ? i have tried all the Savage / s3virge options .. no luck !
[12:15] <nixman> anyone knows how to turn on tree iews in nautilus ?
[12:15] <MFen> what package do you (anyone) recommend for viewing video clips in firefox?
[12:15] <MFen> i tried the vlc plugin and i just get (no picture) on video objects
[12:15] <Espectro> mplayer-plugin
[12:15] <MFen> i couldn't find that package
[12:16] <MFen> i'm actually trying to compile it manually rn
[12:16] <MFen> is there a deb?
[12:16] <Espectro> not everything is a package
[12:16] <MFen> bah
[12:16] <Espectro> i dont know
[12:16] <Espectro> that doesn't stop me
[12:16] <nevyn> isn't it on marilat?
[12:16] <Espectro> people dont google this days
[12:17] <ogra> MFen: sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
[12:17] <ogra> MFen: its in multiverse
[12:17] <ogra> afaik
[12:17] <MFen> "multiverse"?
[12:17] <ogra> yep
[12:18] <MFen> is that like "restricted" for "universe"?
[12:18] <ogra> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543/
[12:18] <SmokingFire> MFen: just copy the lines of the universe rep and change universe in multiverse
[12:19] <MFen> thanks, i'm already doing that :)
[12:19] <Calvin> i got the Savage prob fixed .. just 1 Question , after i edited /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ... when i tried to start gdm up .. it failed .. but  when i rebooted it loads XF86 fine .. y didn't GDM start with a manual /etc/init.d/gdm start ???
[12:20] <eckstejs> Hi! - with kernel 2.6.8-k7, the USB-Stick still doesn't work :) - but after backgrounding hat job --> how to use a Hauppauge WinTV with Ubuntu? :)
[12:20] <MFen> btw, i was freaking shocked by how easy it was to get glx with my nvidia card on ubuntu
[12:20] <epod> I feel all lonely with no spyware to keep me company on my Ubuntu system
[12:20] <MFen> thanks for that :)
[12:21] <Agabus> hello?
[12:21] <epod> MFen, ATI fglrx was incredibly easy too, I've never had anything less than a *major* hassle getting it installed on any other distro
[12:21] <SmokingFire> any one out there?
[12:21] <epod> Nope!
[12:21] <eckstejs> SmokingFire: Yes :)
[12:21] <SmokingFire> I was responding to Agabus
[12:21] <Mojo_Jojo> Hi, everytime I play a movie in gxine it closes when I play it in full screen :(
[12:21] <Agabus> lol hello
[12:21] <SmokingFire> don't play movies
[12:22] <Mojo_Jojo> ...ok
[12:22] <Agabus> could anyone tell me whether i'd be able to fit Ubutuntu onto a 4 gig hard drive?
[12:22] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: why dont you take totem-xine ?
[12:22] <[Siff] > smokingfire: that was terribly helpful
[12:22] <SmokingFire> you should be learning to program not waste you time on vile hollywood entertainment.
[12:22] <orospakr> Agabus, yes, it will fit.
[12:22] <BigNastyKid909> does anyone know what the command to copy ALL files??
[12:23] <Mojo_Jojo> ogra, totem-xine....newbie :D
[12:23] <epod> cp * :)
[12:23] <nevyn> epod: that doesn't copy .files
[12:23] <Agabus> orospakr: the full install??
[12:23] <SmokingFire> [Siff] : I'm always helpful. I mean not doing it solved the problem doesn't it?
[12:23] <orospakr> Agabus, you'll have about a gig at least free after, for sure.
[12:23] <mirak> ubuntu is cruelly missing a adsl pppoe installer in the installer
[12:23] <epod> nevyn, I can't be blamed for that.
[12:23] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: does the same as gxine, but fits much better in the desktop ;)
[12:23] <eckstejs> BigNastyKid909: cp -a . /dev/null
[12:23] <Mojo_Jojo> ogra, what do you mean :/
[12:24] <BigNastyKid909> eckstejs: so -a is to select all then?
[12:24] <orospakr> Agabus, there is only one setting. :) until you start apt-getting more stuff, that is...
[12:24] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: totem-xine
[12:24] <Agabus> orospakr: great, thanks alot man
[12:24] <orospakr> np
[12:24] <ys> what's a website where i can download good themes?
[12:24] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: From what I understand totom-xine and gxine is just a matter of skins.
[12:24] <MFen> ok, cool, got mozilla-mplayer, but it seems to hang
[12:24] <eckstejs> BigNastyKid909: no - it's an abbrev for IMHO -dPr  - wich means: recursive, preserve permissions and something else, which I forgot.
[12:24] <cyrus-tc> if you use a ati card with fglrx binary driver (universe) then you have to adjust the "nice_fog" value to false in tuxracer options file.. ;)
[12:24] <ogra> BigNastyKid909: dont do that !!! (/dev/null is the trash target)
[12:25] <Mojo_Jojo> ok...if it just changes the skin what does that have to do with my problem??? or am I missing someting ehre?
[12:25] <SmokingFire> ys: gnome-look.org or kde-look.org
[12:25] <MFen> would anyone like to take a shot at viewing one of the videos from the daily show site and tell me if it hangs for you too? someone who knows their mplayer plugin is working :-)
[12:25] <BigNastyKid909> ogra: i just need to copy all files in one directory into another directory
[12:25] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: whats your problem?
[12:25] <eckstejs> BigNastyKid909: But if you don't want to descent in subdirectories, it's getting difficult, because "cp . .* /dev/null" also copies directories
[12:25] <Mojo_Jojo> well eveytime I play a movie in gxine in full screen it closes right away :(
[12:25] <ogra> BigNastyKid909: cp -a /source/dir /target/dir
[12:25] <eckstejs> ogra: /dev/null was just an example. I didn't say "mv /tmp/ /dev/null" or sth. like that ;)
[12:26] <BigNastyKid909> ogra: ok imma try it real quick
[12:26] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: what format are you trying to play?
[12:26] <Mojo_Jojo> avi
[12:26] <ogra> eckstejs: sorry, youre right.... was cp :)
[12:28] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: As I understand avi is just a container. It works when playing in non full screen?
[12:28] <Mojo_Jojo> odd it now works now that totem-xine is installed
[12:28] <Mojo_Jojo> thank you SmokingFire and ogra for your help :D
[12:28] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: I don't know I haven't uncountred this problem myself. Maybe switching to full screen switches to another video mode that your driver/card has problems with.
[12:28] <Mojo_Jojo> *cires* the video is in french...
[12:28] <Mojo_Jojo> what would video card have to do with it??
[12:29] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: you donwloaded the vid?
[12:29] <mirak> Imust use hoary to install amarok ?
[12:29] <Mojo_Jojo> yeah, it's street figher...i've never seen it in any store here and I can't buy oneline(no cc)
[12:29] <BigNastyKid909> ogra: it copies the directory
[12:29] <SmokingFire> maybe full screen vid playing uses other techniques to display on monitor.
[12:29] <Mojo_Jojo> ohh ok
[12:29] <ogra> BigNastyKid909: cp -a /source/dir/* /target/dir
[12:29] <BigNastyKid909> ogra: i need to copy all files in one directory, into another
[12:30] <BigNastyKid909> ogra: ok imma try it again
[12:30] <Mojo_Jojo> can, totem play dvds??? i've been thinking of buying  dvd rom
[12:30] <mirak> what must I do to have amarok ?
[12:30] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:30] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: mine can but I needed libcss (or something called like that(
[12:31] <BigNastyKid909> ogra: thanks it worked
[12:31] <Mojo_Jojo> ok, is libcss hard to install??
[12:31] <jdz`_> Hello - Ubuntu install freezes while installing `libsgm1' -- Is there any way I can install Ubuntu without installing libsgm, simply to get a working system?
[12:32] <ogra> BigNastyKid909: sorry for the wrong first hint :)
[12:32] <BigNastyKid909> ogra: its ok thanks for helping
[12:32] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: see the url i posted
[12:32] <Mojo_Jojo> i'm waiting for it to load
[12:33] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: can be done from apt-get synaptic but you will need the correct reps
[12:33] <stuNNed> is there a way to download kernel source for running kernel? (latest in wary)
[12:33] <xenonite> hi, how can i burn an audio cd with ubuntu?
[12:33] <stuNNed> sorry wary/warty
[12:33] <Mojo_Jojo> SmokingFire, reps??
[12:33] <ogra> stuNNed: look for linux-source in synaptic
[12:33] <epod> I am having issues with mplayer-plugin
[12:33] <SmokingFire> xenonite: why do you want to share your downloaded music with friends?
[12:33] <epod> it gets to 25% loading a movie and freezes
[12:33] <Mojo_Jojo> wow that site loads slowly
[12:34] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: reposistories.
[12:34] <xenonite> SmokingFire: what_
[12:34] <stuNNed> ogra: and there is 'linux-source' that matches exactly latest warty kernel?
[12:34] <Mojo_Jojo> SmokingFire, ahh ok what do you have??
[12:34] <SmokingFire> let me see
[12:34] <mirak> does somebody uses hoary here ?
[12:34] <ogra> stuNNed: run uname -a in a terminal
[12:34] <ogra> stuNNed: then look for the matching source package
[12:35] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: you will need this: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[12:35] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: they are on the wiki page....
[12:35] <xenonite> serious, how can i write audiocds_
[12:35] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main "
[12:35] <stuNNed> ogra: ok thanks will do, is it possible it will show up in synaptic and not show up in `apt-cache search linux-source` ?
[12:35] <ogra> SmokingFire: mplayer is in multiverse, no need for marillat
[12:35] <mirak> xenonite: use k3b
[12:35] <SmokingFire> ogra: he is looking for dvd playback
[12:35] <ogra> stuNNed: nope
[12:36] <xenonite> k
[12:36] <chibifs> Hmmm.. This is turning out to be a pain. :P
[12:36] <Mojo_Jojo> this sucks I don't have mplayer...oh well there are skins for totem right?
[12:37] <Mojo_Jojo> ogra, thanks for that link :D
[12:37] <xenonite> thanks mirak i'll try
[12:37] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: add that line I mentioned then do a reload and then search for libdvdcss
[12:37] <ogra> SmokingFire: its in multiverse....
[12:37] <chibifs> Damn woody floppies, not letting me mount a cdrom drive that I hotdwapped. :/
[12:38] <SmokingFire> ogra: didn't know
[12:38] <Mojo_Jojo> SmokingFire, what line?
[12:38] <SmokingFire> Mojo_Jojo: "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main "
[12:38] <SmokingFire> but forget that
[12:38] <SmokingFire> you need to add the multiverse rep to your sources.list
[12:38] <mirak> anyone using amarok here ?
[12:39] <Mojo_Jojo> thanks SmokingFire, I think i'll buy that player today :D
[12:39] <Tzalidar> xrandr keeps bugging me
[12:39] <Tzalidar> i want 100hz all the time
[12:39] <Tzalidar> but the only way i can get 100 hz
[12:39] <Tzalidar> is by running fglrxconfig
[12:39] <Tzalidar> and using the generated config file
[12:40] <chibifs> Hmmmm... Must... obtain.... boot from cd method...;_;
[12:41] <Mojo_Jojo> oh another question, when I first instaleld amsn it worked fine then I removed it and installed the new version from the amsn site. but it only ran once and now it wont open again :( with no error messages
[12:41] <Tsjoklat> arvo all
[12:41] <ys> what version of gnome does ubuntu come w/?
[12:41] <orospakr> 2.8
[12:42] <trickie> ys: 2.8
[12:42] <Tsjoklat> does anyone else have problems with the trash applet?
[12:42] <ys> thanks
[12:42] <seb128> Tsjoklat: in hoary ? yes, gtk+ bug
[12:42] <Tsjoklat> seb what do you mean?
[12:42] <Tsjoklat> you got problems too? is it a bug?
[12:43] <seb128> that's a gtk+ bug
[12:43] <ys> i'm having trouble installing this theme
[12:43] <ys> :/
[12:43] <Tsjoklat> seb128, is it being adressed?
[12:43] <ys> i got it from gnome-look it says it's for 2.x
[12:43] <ys> why doesn't the .theme file install?
[12:43] <Tsjoklat> when I did a dist-upgrade it removed the trash applet
[12:44] <Tsjoklat> when I want to reinstall it it has to remove gnome-applets plus ubuntu-desktop
[12:44] <mirak> Tsjoklat: you dist-upgraded to what ?
[12:44] <fissy> hi is there a package for gnome-sharp?
[12:44] <Tsjoklat> hoary
[12:44] <seb128> Tsjoklat: will be fixed in the next version
[12:45] <seb128> Tsjoklat: trashapplet is in gnome-applets since 2.9
[12:45] <seb128> that's why it removes the trashapplet package
[12:45] <Tsjoklat> next version of what? ubu???
[12:45] <Tsjoklat> don't tell me I have to wait till grumpy
[12:45] <mirak> seb128: can I use hoary ?
[12:46] <Tzalidar> how did i select my default alsa soundcard
[12:46] <Tzalidar> i have reinstalled my computer (messing around with different distros)
[12:46] <Tzalidar> and i remember one guy telling me a easy way of doing it
[12:46] <Tsjoklat> when I delete a file it shows up in the trash applet but I am unable to drag files into like it use to
[12:47] <seb128> mirak: why not ? you can play with devel stuff if you want, but be carreful, that's a devel branch
[12:47] <mirak> seb128: is it equivalent to unstable ?
[12:47] <mirak> seb128: I mean I want amarok, it's in pool, but it's not in warty
[12:48] <seb128> you want universe
[12:48] <seb128> not hoary
[12:48] <seb128> probably ?
[12:48] <Tsjoklat> seb what new version of what?
[12:48] <mirak> seb128: I added universe but apt-cache search amarok gives no results
[12:49] <seb128> ok, so it was not in the archive when warty frooze perhaps
[12:49] <ys> can someone help me install the theme d3a?
[12:49] <trickie> anyone know of a packaged version of the mono libs for ubuntu?
[12:49] <seb128> Tsjoklat: what do you want exactly ?
[12:49] <dieman> hah, haven't seen the new gdm screen
[12:49] <mirak> seb128: I will try hoary, if I am not satisfied I will go back debian
[12:50] <dieman> looks lince
[12:50] <dieman> i've been replacing it automatically since porno desktop
[12:50] <Tsjoklat> I want to be able to drag files into the trash applet again
[12:50] <dieman> nice, rather
[12:50] <Matt|> just about to make the jump to hoary. is there anything i should know (except reconfiguring the locales after)?
[12:52] <[ZACK] > hi guys, i would like to know how to set rhythmbox as my defualt audio player
[12:52] <seb128> mirak: what's the problem ?
[12:52] <chibifs> Hmmm.. That didn't work very well.
[12:53] <chibifs> Maybe slackware will be nicer to me :/
[12:53] <seb128> chibifs: what ?
[12:53] <Matt|> 455 upgraded, 27 newly installed, 2 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[12:53] <chibifs> I'm setting up an old laptop from 1996.
[12:53] <Matt|> >_>
[12:53] <Matt|> <_<
[12:53] <chibifs> :P
[12:53] <Tsjoklat> well I guess I have to wait for 'new version' of the unknown
[12:54] <nixman> why is it that i cannot switch to root using su from the terminal ?
[12:54] <xenonite> [ZACK] : right click on the music file, then properties
[12:54] <[ZACK] > thanks xenon
[12:54] <xenonite> [ZACK] : then open with
[12:54] <Matt|> lol
[12:54] <xenonite> alright :)
[12:55] <Matt|> hopefully you weren't about to tell him something really important
[12:55] <xenonite> yes, but he left his IP ;)
[12:55] <Matt|> ?
[12:56] <Matt|> you can tell him in morse code power cycling his pc?
[12:56] <xenonite> hehe lol
[12:56] <Tzalidar> does anyone have a quick awnser on howto select the default sound card
[12:56] <Tzalidar> i remember one guy told me a really neat way of selecting it
[12:58] <Matt|> Tzalidar, i don't understand the question
[12:58] <Tzalidar> but i cant remember it
[12:58] <Matt|> Tzalidar, you have more than one soundcard?
[12:58] <Tzalidar> yup
[12:58] <Matt|> ah
[12:58] <Tzalidar> one onboard and a audigy
[12:58] <Tzalidar> onboard is default right now
[12:58] <Tzalidar> but i dont use it
[12:58] <epod> How do I add an item to the gnome menu?
[12:58] <Tzalidar> i know there is a neat way of doing this
[12:58] <Tzalidar> but i cant remember it
[12:58] <Matt|> epod, right click on the submenu you want to add it in, and select add new item
[12:58] <epod> Matt|, that doesn't seem to be working...
[12:58] <Matt|> epod, sorry: right click inside the submenu you want to add it in, and select ENTIRE MENU --> new item
[12:58] <epod> ahh
[12:58] <xenonite> k3b can't find my cd-recorder... what can i do?
[12:58] <Matt|> i am so scared of this dist-upgrade...
[12:59] <epod> Matt|, thanks :)
[12:59] <xenonite> why not?
[12:59] <Matt|> xenonite, not sure i'm rubbish at cd-r
[12:59] <mirak> seb128: the lack of package, but hoary seems to have them all
[12:59] <seb128> mirak: ubuntu has more packages than debian
[01:00] <seb128> mirak: I would not call that a lack of package
[01:00] <mirak> seb128: how ?
[01:00] <Matt|> lol
[01:00] <Matt|> more than debian?
[01:00] <seb128> mirak: it contains the whole debian archive and some extra stuff like mplayer
[01:00] <mirak> seb128: mmm right, I added the sources for debian
[01:00] <Matt|> i thought debian had an infinite number of packages
[01:01] <seb128> mirak: no, don't
[01:01] <mirak> seb128: there is not freenx in it it sems
[01:01] <mirak> seems
[01:01] <seb128> don't use the debian source
[01:01] <seb128> universe universe for ubuntu
[01:01] <mirak> seb128: I mean I did it on debian to have mplayer
[01:01] <guestuser> hey, i have 2 questions
[01:01] <Matt|> hi guestuser
[01:01] <guestuser> i have a background image but i dont want to manualy set it every session, is there a way to make it default
[01:01] <Matt|> yes
[01:01] <guestuser> and 2: i tried to edit the fluxbox menu so that aterm would be abit transparant when i open it but that doesnt seem to work
[01:02] <Matt|> guestuser, when you change the background, it remembers it
[01:02] <Matt|> ah you are using fluxbox
[01:02] <Tzalidar> YES!! i found the solution :) options snd_emu10k1 index=0
[01:02] <guestuser> yes
[01:02] <Matt|> then background goes in the fluxbox config
[01:02] <Tzalidar> in modprobe.d file
[01:02] <Tzalidar> * a modprobe.d file
[01:02] <epod> yay postal 2 runs.
[01:02] <Matt|> which is /home/guestuser/.fluxbox/something.conf
[01:03] <guestuser> k
[01:03] <Matt|> as for aterm: i don't think that that kind of transparency works with fluxbox
[01:03] <guestuser> well i can do it manualy
[01:04] <guestuser> but then its just for 1 session
[01:04] <Matt|> oh
[01:04] <Matt|> xchat transparency does not work in fluxbox ;/
[01:04] <xenonite> k3b can't find my cd-recorder... what can i do?
[01:04] <mirak> seb128: I was wondering, how can ubuntu maintain so much packages ?
[01:04] <housetier> Matt| it should if you set the background right
[01:04] <guestuser> in my fluxbox directory there arnt .conf files what to do?
[01:04] <guestuser> matt: on linux i use irssi
[01:04] <mirak> seb128: is it automated or something ?
[01:05] <Matt|> housetier, xchat gave me a message saying, your window manager isn't good enough
[01:05] <Matt|> mirak, debian do it
[01:05] <Matt|> guestuser, what have you got in ~/.fluxbox?
[01:05] <Matt|> preferences?
[01:05] <mirak> Matt|: so how do you convert them to ubuntu ?
[01:05] <Matt|> mirak, you don't have to
[01:06] <guestuser> bsetbg ( an empty file ), init, keys, menu, menu.save, slitlist
[01:06] <Matt|> ok it's init
[01:06] <Matt|> edit it and look for a line with the background in
[01:06] <guestuser> k
[01:06] <Matt|> sorry i couldn't remember the filename :(
[01:07] <Matt|> guestuser, maybe you'll find the answer to your other problem somewhere in there too :)
[01:07] <Matt|> guestuser, you don't like gnome huh?
[01:07] <seb128> mirak: all the debian packages are imported and ubuntu work over these packages
[01:07] <Matt|> oh really
[01:07] <Matt|> i didn't know that
[01:07] <Matt|> cool
[01:08] <Matt|> the process is automated i guess
[01:08] <guestuser> Matt|, im just experimenting with things, i already have gnome configured to my likings conserning the background
[01:08] <Matt|> guestuser, ok cool
[01:08] <guestuser> there is no linw with background in it in the init file
[01:08] <Matt|> guestuser, damn
[01:09] <Matt|> guestuser, it is def. in there somewhere, might not have actual word "background"
[01:09] <Matt|> i never had a bsetbg file tho don't know about that
[01:10] <guestuser> maybe it is in the style configuration, there is noting wich looks like it could be the background option
[01:10] <guestuser> i prolly created it whyle messing with stuff as its empty
[01:10] <Matt|> oh
[01:10] <Matt|> brb
[01:10] <Matt|> i'll have a look on my other pc, which has fluxbox
[01:11] <guestuser> thanks
[01:11] <Matt|> ok found it
[01:12] <Matt|> session.screen0.rootCommand:    fbsetbg -f /home/matt/desktops/gentoo/1280x1024/gentoo_tux_v.png
[01:12] <Mojo_Jojo> hi, does anyone here use sound-juicer?
[01:14] <guestuser> matt, i changed the line to contain my path to the image but when i relogin to fluxbox it isnt set as background
[01:14] <Tyche> Is there a ximian install for Ubuntu? or is the ximian safe to install?
[01:14] <Matt|> guestuser, do you get an error?
[01:14] <guestuser> no, it looks like it ignores it
[01:14] <guestuser> but the line isnt signed out using a # or something
[01:15] <Matt|> perhaps delete the empty file?
[01:15] <guestuser> ill try
[01:15] <Matt|> guestuser, make sure you have the command fbsetbg?
[01:16] <Matt|> guestuser, i seem to remember also that fsbetgb uses a difference command to draw the background. I had to install it separately. But i remember it giving me an error
[01:16] <[Siff] > how can i set nautilus to launch in browser mode instead of spawning a trillion windows?
[01:17] <guestuser> im reloggin in now
[01:17] <RageMax> what are the resources for unstable?
[01:17] <Matt|> [Siff] , run gconf-editor
[01:17] <Matt|> [Siff] , browse to apps --> nautilus --> preferences
[01:18] <Matt|> change the value of "always use browser" to "true"
[01:19] <Matt|> [Siff] , that is really annoying I agree. Should be set to that on default
[01:19] <[ZACK] > hey, i just apt-got Enlightenment. How do I make this one of my choices when I choose my session type?
[01:19] <kensai> Can I just use hoary sources to get some packages like gtk-gnutella and then keep warty again in my sources and everything wil be fine?
[01:20] <mjr> kensai, well. You can certainly try your luck, but nothing's guaranteed :)
[01:20] <Matt|> lol
[01:20] <mjr> I did, though, get galeon from Hoary with no apparent ill effects
[01:20] <mjr> so far, at least :)
[01:20] <kensai> Ok then I'll not try with that answer you scare me
[01:20] <ys> how do i install a sound theme in gnome?
[01:21] <kensai> I want the firefox in hoary
[01:21] <Matt|> lol
[01:21] <[ZACK] > hey, i just apt-got Enlightenment. How do I make this one of my choices when I choose my session type?
[01:21] <Tyche> I am looking to install something! What is good to have?
[01:21] <guestuser> matt, i deleted the file and editted the session.screen0.rootCommand: line your example using my own file but its still not displaying my imsge
[01:22] <limaunion> hi for every smb mounted fs I have a desktop icon in GNOME, is there a way to avoid these icons ?
[01:22] <Matt|> guestuser, check the command exists
[01:22] <[ZACK] >  hey, i just apt-got Enlightenment. How do I make this one of my choices when I choose my session type?
[01:22] <Matt|> dunno [ZACK] 
[01:23] <[ZACK] > ok
[01:23] <[ZACK] > anyone know?
[01:23] <dawnfading> hi
[01:23] <guestuser> matt, how do you mean, the session.screen0.rootCommand: line is in there
[01:23] <dawnfading> anyone using azureus on ubuntu?
[01:23] <xenonite> how can i rotate jpeg images losslessly?
[01:23] <limaunion> dawnfading: me
[01:23] <mjr> xenonite, with jpegtran
[01:23] <dawnfading> problems with the TCP port settings?
[01:23] <xenonite> dawnfading: download java before
[01:23] <xenonite> mjr thanks
[01:24] <dawnfading> i'm getting a nasty 6881 NAT error
[01:24] <dawnfading> azureus is working fine
[01:24] <mjr> (package libjpeg-progs in universe)
[01:24] <Matt|> guestuser, try the command fbsetbg in a terminal to make sure it exists
[01:24] <dawnfading> but when i test the TCP i get a nat error
[01:24] <xenonite> dawnfading: firewall?
[01:24] <limaunion> dawnfading: no, not here, anyway I don't use the default port
[01:24] <dawnfading> i have a fresh ubuntu install
[01:24] <dawnfading> so i don't have a clue how to find the fix in ubuntu
[01:24] <dawnfading> (or what firewall is used)
[01:24] <[ZACK] > DOES ANYONE KNOW A COMMAND OR A WAY TO GET ENLIGHTENMENT AS MY DEFAULT GUI OR AT LEAST ON THE LIST?
[01:24] <[ZACK] > whoops
[01:24] <[ZACK] > caps
[01:24] <[ZACK] > sorry
[01:25] <Matt|> [ZACK] , i know how to get it as default
[01:25] <Matt|> edit ~/.desktop
[01:25] <guestuser> maat, in my case it isnt fbsetbg but just bsetbg, ill try that in the init file
[01:25] <limaunion> dawnfading: you mean when you perform the self-test from azureuz?
[01:25] <Matt|> guestuser, good idea
[01:25] <dawnfading> limaunion> what port can you use then?
[01:25] <dawnfading> yes limaunion
[01:26] <guestuser> hmm, 'bsetbg: default configuration was created in /home/guestuser/.fluxbox/bsetbg'
[01:26] <limaunion> dawnfading: azururez lets you use whatever port you want, it's transparent for the peer
[01:26] <guestuser> thats what is displayerd after settng my background image but it isnt default
[01:26] <[ZACK] > Matt|, how do I do it again?
[01:27] <limaunion> dawnfading: well, i think that I got the same error but it's working ok, don't pay much attention to the self-test, just try it
[01:27] <dawnfading> ok i'll try
[01:27] <dawnfading> so you have good download times?
[01:27] <Matt|> [ZACK] , "nano -w ~/.desktop
[01:27] <Matt|> "
[01:27] <limaunion> dawnfading: full available bandwidth
[01:27] <rasher> Can anyone point me at where to configure linux-wlan-ng drivers? The prism2_usb driver is loaded, but that's about it.
[01:28] <Matt|> [ZACK]  put in desktop="enlightenment"
[01:28] <guestuser> matt: its default now, i removed the -f flag ( whats that for anyway ) and used bsetbg instead of bgsetbg
[01:28] <guestuser> thanks :D
[01:28] <dawnfading> sounds nice ;-)
[01:28] <Matt|> guestuser, glad it's working
[01:29] <Matt|> [ZACK] , actually this might not work if you're using gdm
[01:29] <limaunion> dawnfading: sure ;)
[01:31] <trickie> I upgraded the repositories in Synaptic to use the hoary release, it it couldn't find the respositories... i am using AMD64
[01:31] <guestuser> any suggestions on the eterm thing aswel matt?
[01:31] <trickie> is it just as simple as upgrading the sources.list
[01:31] <trickie> ?
[01:32] <Striss> trickie, it should be
[01:32] <Striss> thats all i did
[01:32] <Matt|> guestuser, how do you get it to work manually?
[01:32] <Striss> just chance every instance of warty to hoary
[01:32] <Striss> chance=change
[01:32] <trickie> k
[01:33] <zenwhen> Any Ubuntu devs in here?
[01:33] <dawnfading> limaunion, do you have some URL so i can try out azureus
[01:33] <dawnfading> the torrents i'm trying now don't seem to do much
[01:33] <dawnfading> any test is fine
[01:33] <kensai> when will upgrading to hoary will be safe?
[01:33] <guestuser> matt: 'aterm -tr -trsb' it opens a new aterm windows but that is transparant, only 2 probs with that, 1) if i close the old window it closes the transparant window aswel and 2) its 100% transparant
[01:34] <Striss> i havent had a problem with hoary at all
[01:34] <mirak> dawnfading: I must install java
[01:34] <kensai> I just had one prob with hoary the clock applet in gnome got broken
[01:34] <Striss> i stopped using gnome since i upgraded tho, i'm using fluxbox now
[01:34] <dawnfading> how do you mean mirak?
[01:34] <Striss> i love flux
[01:35] <kensai> maybe I should try flux
[01:35] <limaunion> dawnfading: just make a simple google search for bittorrent, you'll find a lot of sites...
[01:36] <Striss> its great if you want a lightweight window manager
[01:36] <Striss> without all the gnome bulk
[01:36] <dawnfading> i have some torrents, but they're all red grey or yellow
[01:36] <Striss> it depends on what you're using your desktop for i guess
[01:36] <dawnfading> never had a green one
[01:36] <dawnfading> is this normal?
[01:36] <cardador> anyone knows how to get an USB adsl modem working in Ubuntu?
[01:36] <Matt|> guestuser, how are you opening aterm?
[01:36] <Matt|> cardador, i did it in gentoo maybe I can help a bit
[01:36] <Striss> dawnfading, a torrent will go green when you've uploaded a certain amount more than you've downloaded
[01:36] <Striss> once your ratio goes past 1:1 or something
[01:36] <cardador> Matt|: thanks. whats the procedure?
[01:36] <Matt|> cardador, it took me 2 weeks
[01:36] <Matt|> cardador, what is the modem
[01:36] <guestuser> matt: right mouse button in the desktop and then 'Shells --> Aterm'
[01:36] <cardador> Matt|: motorola sb 6200
[01:36] <Matt|> oh damn
[01:37] <guestuser> usb i spose
[01:37] <mirak> dawnfading: it means you need java virtual machine to run azureus
[01:37] <cardador> Matt|: i had it working in Xandros
[01:37] <dawnfading> tnx Striss
[01:37] <cardador> Matt|: with CDCEther
[01:37] <dawnfading> ok, at least 'something' is downloading ;-)
[01:37] <Striss> i use btdownloadcurses so i don't see any colors on my torrents
[01:37] <Matt|> guestuser, you need to edit the menu
[01:37] <dawnfading> tnx limaunion
[01:37] <cardador> Matt|: but i cant find it on Ubuntu
[01:38] <RageMax> so how do I upgrade the system to unstable?
[01:38] <guestuser> matt: i tried that but what i tried didnt work
[01:38] <Matt|> cardador, better download it then :(
[01:38] <jdub> RageMax: you want to upgrade an ubuntu system to debian unstable?
[01:38] <RageMax> no, to ubuntu unstable
[01:38] <jdub> 'hoary'
[01:38] <cardador> RageMax: thats ubuntu hoary :)
[01:39] <RageMax> yes
[01:39] <Matt|> RageMax, change every instance of warty to hoary in your synaptic repositories
[01:39] <jdub> RageMax: are you sure? :)
[01:39] <RageMax> I'm pretty sure, is it really, really unstable?
[01:39] <jdub> it's going to get hairy
[01:39] <Matt|> lol
[01:39] <Matt|> i'm just doing it now
[01:39] <RageMax> or about as unstable as debian unstable
[01:39] <jdub> if you're familiar with debian, you should be okay
[01:39] <jdub> RageMax: well, it starts off synchronised with debian unstable
[01:40] <jdub> RageMax: but with our changes on top
[01:40] <RageMax> ah ok
[01:40] <cardador> RageMax: i havent had any problems with it
[01:40] <limaunion> dawnfading: np
[01:40] <RageMax> the worst thing that I've had occur with unstable is when someone messed up the glibc package
[01:40] <Matt|> guestuser, paste the relevant part of ~/.fluxbox/menu
[01:40] <RageMax> that wasn't fun
[01:40] <stuNNed> upon boot how can i get snd_intel8x0 to load but not snd_intel8x0m?
[01:40] <RageMax> is the full gnome 2.9 in there yet?
[01:41] <ys> i want to change my splash image what do i put in for the value in gconf?
[01:41] <kensai> jdub: I got the clock-applet in gnome "hoary" broken this is fixed with just another update soon?
[01:41] <ys> the location of the file?
[01:41] <Matt|> ys, yup
[01:41] <jdub> kensai: worksforme
[01:41] <Matt|> ys you can do it in the gui: computer --> system config --> login screen
[01:41] <stuNNed> jdub: hi, how can i prevent snd_intel8x0m from loading when system boots?
[01:42] <b_e_n_z> http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/software/2004/0411051105.asp?A=LIN&S=Open%20Source&O=FPT
[01:42] <cardador> Matt|: thats gdm login, he wants splash screen
[01:42] <b_e_n_z> according to that article, there was some outrage in the debian community...
[01:42] <kensai> jdub: I'll try and upgrade to hoary again I reinstalled ;) It was a new installation so nothing was loss
[01:43] <Matt|> oh sorry
[01:44] <dawnfading> tnx for the tips, goodnight!
[01:45] <kensai> When is Xorg comig out?
[01:46] <stuNNed> how do i stop a module from loading when system boots?
[01:46] <Matt|> kensai, few days
[01:46] <cardador> stuNNed: edit /etc/modules
[01:47] <kensai> I want to install project Looking Glass from Sun Microsystems again but I need Xorg ;)
[01:47] <stuNNed> cardador: all modules that are installed are listed there?
[01:48] <Tyche> exit
[01:48] <Tyche> =)
[01:49] <jdub> kensai: there'll be a panel and gaim update coming through to fix the clock issue
[01:49] <jdub> (and gaim not working)
[01:50] <Matt|> kensai is project looking glass released?
[01:50] <cardador> stuNNed: not sure
[01:50] <stuNNed> cardador: ok thanks
[01:57] <limaunion> hi is php ready for use with apache 1.3x or do I have to tweak a lot to get it working ?
[01:57] <minaural> apache and php are two peas on a pod
[01:58] <minaural> if you had said apache2 and php5 it is a different sotry
[01:58] <Matt|> minaural, would you be able to tell me how to allow directory listings to be viewed by visitors to my site under apache2?
[01:59] <limaunion> minaural: ok I'll have to investigate a little more...
[01:59] <minaural> erm edit your apache conf file and add +Indexes
[01:59] <Matt|> minaural, whereabouts?
[01:59] <minaural> in the <Directory>
[01:59] <minaural> you should have a <Directory /var/htdocs> or something
[01:59] <minaural> where /var/htdcos is your root web directory
[02:00] <Matt|> DocumentRoot /var/www/localhost/htdocs/
[02:00] <minaural> below that is DirectoryOptions
[02:00] <minaural> add +Indexs to that
[02:00] <minaural> most likely its -Indexes atm
[02:00] <Matt|> i don't have any of that
[02:01] <Matt|> in fact i don't have any <> signs at all
[02:01] <minaural> er
[02:01] <limaunion> minaural: sorry my english is not so good, you mean that's very easy with 1.3x, right ?
[02:01] <minaural> what file are you look at?
[02:01] <Gervystar> Hi i've a laptop that can boot only from floppy and i'd like to install ubuntu on it. I've managed to start the sarge installer from floppy and to load root.img from a usb-key. I'm wondering if there's a way to boot directly ubuntu (kernel from a floppy and root/installer from usb-key). Any idea?
[02:01] <minaural> limaunion: i dont know how easy it is to install if have never done it, but it terms of not having bugs its great
[02:02] <limaunion> minaural: ok, thanks.
[02:02] <rasher> limaunion: on Debian at least it's literally as easy as apt-get install apache php4 - can't imagine it's harder in ubuntu
[02:02] <rasher> (or the synaptic equivalent)
[02:03] <minaural> yah dbain or gentoo is very easy
[02:03] <minaural> debian*
[02:03] <minaural> and ubuntu the same thing
[02:03] <limaunion> rasher: thanks for the info, i must go now, see you later!
[02:04] <jmhodges> anyone played with any tablets ?
[02:04] <imposter_mirak> poop
[02:04] <khronic> interesting
[02:05] <stuNNed> alsa loads intel8x0m, how do i stop this?
[02:06] <GammaRay> alsa depends on your distro to load modules
[02:07] <stuNNed> GammaRay: ok, but i think snd_intel8x0m is stopping hsf modem drivers to install properly so would rather not have it lod
[02:07] <stuNNed> lod/load
[02:08] <GammaRay> is there an /etc/init.d/alsa or /etc/init.d/sound ?
[02:08] <Tsjoklat> hey all
[02:08] <stuNNed> yes there is an /etc/init.d/alsa
[02:08] <khronic> hi person
[02:08] <usual> hi
[02:08] <khronic> hi?
[02:09] <GammaRay> stuNNed: for now I'd just manually remove the sound module and see if it is actually the problem
[02:09] <menator> anyone use mono and glade?
[02:09] <stuNNed> GammaRay: it's locked with all the other alsa modules, i can't seem to remove i t
[02:09] <trickie> anyone got a good Mono dev env up and running? You just build from src? Any deb's?
[02:11] <GammaRay> stuNNed: mdk does it this way: in /etc/modprobe.conf there is an alias sound-slot-0 which mdk loads through either of those scripts.
[02:11] <shampoo> Hi everyone
[02:11] <GammaRay> I'm not sure which..
[02:12] <shampoo> i am using the live CD and I would like to know if there is a FAQ which explains if it is possible to store my home dir on a USB drive
[02:12] <Pizbit> shampoo: Change to fstab to point to the USB drive for /home/ ?
[02:13] <shampoo> hmm.
[02:13] <GammaRay> stuNNed: just looked.. it's /etc/init.d/sound here.. so you distro works the same.. you could disable that script from loading
[02:13] <shampoo> because I would like to save my settings
[02:13] <Tsjoklat> well updated, rebooted and still no luck with the trash applet :|
[02:13] <shampoo> is there a param I can pass at bootup to change fstab ?
[02:14] <GammaRay> stuNNed: or perhaps /etc/init.d/sound stop might do it
[02:14] <stuNNed> GammaRay: it's /etc/init.d/sound in ubuntu? :)
[02:15] <stuNNed> GammaRay: i'll try, unfortunately keep having to reboot into windows to get net connect
[02:15] <stuNNed> GammaRay: right now downloading an hsf modem .deb file
[02:16] <GammaRay> stuNNed: heh.. I have a ubuntu box in the other room
[02:17] <redemption> Hello
[02:17] <redemption> Anyone alive?
[02:17] <stuNNed> GammaRay: ok, one more try, wish me luck!
[02:18] <redemption> goodluck
[02:19] <redemption> Hey I was having a problem with als, perhaps someone could help me with it?
[02:19] <redemption> alsa
[02:21] <draconian> alsa?
[02:21] <redemption> I'm trying to play et while using teamspeak.  I have alsa installed as ubuntu installed it( i.e. I haven't touched it.)
[02:21] <redemption> I have oss emulation enabled.
[02:22] <redemption> and I have a SBlive that has a hardware mixer.
[02:22] <draconian> did you go in the terminal and try alsamixer
[02:22] <redemption> yeah.
[02:22] <draconian> alsaconf
[02:23] <redemption> the problem is et trys to grab the /dev/dsp device and the hardware mixer doesn't seem to be enabled.
[02:24] <redemption> any ideas?
[02:24] <draconian> thinking
[02:24] <draconian> :)
[02:24] <regeya> I suppose the important question of the day is: QDesign codec for Xine--is it possible?  I really couldn't tell you why I'm trying...
[02:25] <draconian> were enable the hardware mixer before?
[02:25] <draconian> able
[02:25] <draconian> damn sorry bad grammar
[02:25] <Matt|> redemption, i don't know much about audio, but i had to add /dev/.mixer to the mplayer preferences on my rig
[02:26] <Matt|> instead of /dev/mixer
[02:26] <redemption> well, I'm not to up on the sound infrastructure for linux, but my previous distribution was knoppix without also (i.e. oss) and the hardware mixing worked fisne then.
[02:26] <redemption> also =alsa
[02:26] <redemption> heh, I type to fast when I should edit my writing.
[02:26] <draconian> heh ya i do that too
[02:27] <redemption> mattl, the problem is et wants to grab the entire device instead of one of the channels for /dev/dsp.
[02:27] <redemption> and you can't change what device et grabs.
[02:28] <Matt|> ok
[02:28] <Matt|> :/
[02:28] <redemption> thanks though.
[02:32] <Matt|> hope you get it working
[02:32] <Matt|> i'm off to bed
[02:32] <Matt|> nite
[02:32] <redemption> night
[02:34] <redemption> reboot. lates
[02:44] <dialtone> if I need win32codecs I should add marillat repository but using testing or unstable? (running hoary here)
[02:44] <fissy> does samba run by default?
[02:46] <stuNNed> man, can't get hsf modem drivers to load for cr*p
[02:48] <Tsjoklat> hey Pizbit
[02:50] <GammaRay> dialtone: testing
[02:50] <Pizbit_> hey
[02:52] <Tsjoklat> Piz are you on hoary?
[02:53] <Pizbit_> Nope
[02:53] <Pizbit_> Don't plan on it either for some months.
[02:54] <Tsjoklat> wb Piz
[02:54] <Pizbit> Yeah, router died again, no idea why
[02:54] <fissy> what does ubuntu have running on port 981?
[02:54] <Tsjoklat> I am re-installing ubu
[02:55] <Tsjoklat> can't deal with hoary for now
[02:55] <GammaRay> fissy: sudo lsof -i:981
[02:56] <Agabus> hey all
[02:56] <Tsjoklat> hey Aga
[02:56] <fissy> GammaRay, famd, and being run by my usual user despite it being a priveleged port?
[02:56] <fissy> why does famd need network access?
[02:57] <Pizbit> fissy: Are you sure that's on the external interface and not the loopback?
[02:57] <Tsjoklat> wb mercurus
[02:57] <Agabus> i was wondering, i'll be installing Ubuntu in like an hour or so, the install is text based right? and do u have to manually parition??
[02:57] <fissy> Pizbit, good point, i port scanned myself in the absence of anyone else. but still, why does it need to be there?
[02:58] <Pizbit> Agabus: You can tell it to just use all of a HD in which case it'll partition it itself, else you'll have too do it manually(or select already partitioned partitions)
[02:58] <Pizbit> fissy: To talk to stuff?
[02:58] <mercurus> cheers Tsjoklat
[02:58] <Agabus> Pizbit: oh ok yeh i'll just let it use the whole hard drive
[02:58] <fissy> why not use unix sockets like anything else if its not accessible from other computers?
[02:59] <Pizbit> No idea, I hate famd:)
[02:59] <fissy> hmm ok
[02:59] <fissy> one other one, 'sunrpc' running on 111?
[02:59] <moltek> hi
[02:59] <fissy> hi
[02:59] <Agabus> hey does anyone here have a dvd burner? if so, do u know how to compress DVD9 to single layer dvds on linux?? just like dvd shrink does in windows
[03:00] <moltek> i have a very strange problem, i hope someone can help me....
[03:00] <Pizbit> fissy: Ubuntu by default doesn't open any external ports iirc
[03:00] <Pizbit> moltek: Only if you say what it is
[03:00] <moltek> I deleted my user account (dont ask why)
[03:00] <fissy> Pizbit, i'm sure i haven't added anything network wise
[03:00] <moltek> and I cant get into root
[03:00] <moltek> sudo -s is not like root
[03:00] <fissy> i'm doubly sure i didn't install famd
[03:01] <moltek> and I need to add the user again or reinstall ubuntu i guess
[03:01] <Pizbit> fissy: famd comes in with gnome/etc
[03:01] <Pizbit> moltek: Boot into rescue mode
[03:01] <fissy> well yeah, and gnome is a default part of ubuntu Pizbit
[03:01] <moltek> Pizbit: aha... how ?
[03:01] <Pizbit> fissy: I really hadn't noticed.
[03:01] <fissy> :P
[03:01] <moltek> It boots straight away
[03:01] <Pizbit> moltek: I belive you hit ESC when grub is first mentioned during the boot process
[03:01] <fissy> the point is, *I* didn't do it, Ubuntu has mystically opened up this port for me
[03:02] <moltek> Pizbit: ok, i see
[03:02] <moltek> Pizbit: Ill try it
[03:02] <moltek> Pizbit: thanks
[03:02] <Pizbit> Not sure what rescue mode gives you exactly, not having done it
[03:02] <moltek> Pizbit: at least its something new for me
[03:02] <moltek> :D
[03:03] <moltek> Im desperate u know,.. anything is a new world XD
[03:03] <moltek> its says : root@ubuntu
[03:03] <moltek> sounds good
[03:05] <Pizbit> Know how to add a new user and all that?
[03:08] <moltek> Pizbit: yes, thanks
[03:08] <moltek> actually I have a question
[03:09] <moltek> If I have the whole system installed by a user called dan with UID 1000 can I change the UID without the system being affected ?
[03:09] <moltek> I need to change the UID
[03:09] <moltek> is it possible ?
[03:10] <Pizbit> You might have to change the UID on everything in the user's home directory to the new UID
[03:10] <moltek> hmm
[03:10] <Pizbit> Recursively, chmod should be able to do it.
[03:10] <Pizbit> Anyhow, gota get into a shower:) Laters
[03:11] <moltek> ok! thanks man
[03:11] <georgia> wouldnt the right tool be chown, rather than chmod?
[03:11] <moltek> i was just thinking that..
[03:11] <moltek> :P
[03:11] <Pizbit> Bah, they both start with ch:)
[03:11] <moltek> true
[03:11] <georgia> heh
[03:11] <Pizbit> *gone* *really*
[03:11] <georgia> enjoy the shower Pizbit
[03:11] <moltek> enjoy every drop
[03:13] <moltek> georgia: but chown doesnt change the UID, or ??
[03:13] <moltek> I just check the man page
[03:14] <georgia> if you specify a user, or uid it does
[03:14] <moltek> does it ?
[03:15] <georgia> according to the nampage i'm reading, yeah
[03:15] <moltek> chown /home/dan -R 501
[03:15] <moltek> ????
[03:15] <georgia> "If only a user name (or numeric user ID) is given, that user is made the owner of each given  file,  and the files' group is not changed."
[03:15] <LinuxJones> moltek, what are you trying to do ?
[03:15] <ys> what's a good program to use to download music?
[03:16] <Agabus> ys: bittorrent
[03:16] <keknehv> how do I run executable text files?
[03:16] <moltek> LinuxJones: I have a NFS server with my user with UID 501
[03:16] <ys> bit torrent is no good
[03:16] <moltek> LinuxJones: ubuntu defaults to UID 1000
[03:16] <Agabus> ys: no good? its great
[03:17] <ys> it's no good for me. i can't upload over a gig or i get booted of the school network
[03:17] <moltek> and because you cant root with ubuntu i couldnt change it , or at least i didnt find the way to do it
[03:17] <LinuxJones> moltek, your trying to change a directory and all files in it ?
[03:17] <ys> so a movie will get me banned for a week
[03:17] <ys> is there anything else?
[03:17] <ys> like a limewire
[03:17] <chutwig> ys: sounds like me, except i get banned for half a gig up in 7 days
[03:17] <GammaRay> bittorrent? heh
[03:17] <Agabus> ys: fair enough then. do u run linux or windows?
[03:17] <ys> linux
[03:17] <moltek> Im trying to change the UID to 501 , but i have the whole thing going on with all my conf/programs/docs to UID 1000
[03:17] <GammaRay> ys: amule or gtk-gnutella
[03:18] <moltek> i get errors when I log in,
[03:18] <Agabus> yeh i was gonna say amule
[03:18] <keknehv> How can I run executable text files? (start with #/bin/sh)
[03:18] <moltek> so now, I did the rescue mode, erased the user without the home dir, added the user with UID 501
[03:18] <GammaRay> keknehv: ./file
[03:18] <moltek> but im not sure if it will boot
[03:18] <keknehv> DOH!
[03:18] <keknehv> Thanks...
[03:19] <ys> gtk-gnutella was an ugly program that wouldn't connect to any host, so i'll try amule
[03:19] <moltek> amule is cool for me
[03:19] <vortex25> which java package should I install to run azureus?
[03:19] <Agabus> www.amule.org
[03:19] <GammaRay> ys: how long ago was that? :-P
[03:19] <ys> today
[03:19] <georgia> ys: gtk-gnutella takes a few minutes, but it works fine
[03:19] <GammaRay> ys: good luck downloading an mp3 w/ amule
[03:19] <GammaRay> ain't gonna happen.. for days
[03:20] <Agabus> GammaRay: i used to be under that impression aswell, but wen u learn how to use it, the ed2k network is quite fast
[03:20] <LinuxJones> moltek, sudo chown -R username:username /path/to/your/dir
[03:20] <GammaRay> amule beats gnutella in some ways.. and vice versa
[03:21] <GammaRay> Agabus: learn how to use it? bleh. it just sucks for small files
[03:21] <Agabus> i use a combination of bittorent and amule
[03:21] <Agabus> GammaRay: quite true, but u can find the rarest files and u will get them, u just have to wait. u can find almost anything u need on ed2k
[03:22] <GammaRay> the same can be said for gnutella
[03:22] <Agabus> cool then
[03:23] <GammaRay> I find the only difference between p2p nets is why people seem to share on them
[03:23] <moltek> LinuxJones: YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[03:23] <moltek> IT WORKED, MY SYSTEM IS BACK!!!
[03:23] <GammaRay> err s/why/what
[03:23] <moltek> I LOVE YOU ALL
[03:23] <LinuxJones> moltek, ;)
[03:23] <georgia> moltek: lets get married then ;)
[03:23] <GammaRay> moltek: well pucker up then (-;
[03:23] <Agabus> GammaRay: are u saying u saying u don't believe that the p2p programs should make u share back what u have downloaded?
[03:23] <Pizbit> moltek: I'd rather you keept it strictly platonic:)
[03:24] <moltek> georgia: maybe , who knows ?
[03:24] <Tsjoklat> I just want my trash applet to work.. anyone that knows the answer I'll marry you if needed
[03:24] <Tsjoklat> lol
[03:24] <GammaRay> Agabus: meant what people share.. not why
[03:24] <georgia> Tsjoklat: whats wrong with it?
[03:24] <Tsjoklat> doesn't work anymore
[03:24] <Agabus> ah
[03:24] <Tsjoklat> can't drag files into it
[03:24] <georgia> at all?
[03:24] <GammaRay> Agabus: ie.. lots of movies on amule, few in gnutella.. but it could easily be reverse
[03:24] <Tsjoklat> it shows up as full if there are files in it
[03:24] <moltek> Pizbit: thats what ubuntu is isnt it ? I am what I am because of what we all are !!
[03:24] <ys> amule and xmule keep aborting
[03:24] <Tsjoklat> but my dragging option has been removed
[03:25] <Tsjoklat> and I like that so much!
[03:25] <GammaRay> ys: your network is probably blocking the needed ports
[03:25] <georgia> Tsjoklat: remove it, then add it again. i've seen the problem before, that fixed it
[03:25] <moltek> GammaRay: :D
[03:25] <Tsjoklat> remove what georgia?
[03:25] <georgia> the trash applet
[03:26] <georgia> click with the right mouse button and you get a menu, choose "remove from panel"
[03:26] <Tsjoklat> I dist-upgraded to hoary.. it removed my trash applet... when I want to reinstall it.. it wants to remove gnome-applets/gnome-applets-data and ubuntu-desktop
[03:26] <Tsjoklat> so I don't know what to do
[03:26] <georgia> ah
[03:26] <georgia> right.
[03:26] <Tsjoklat> seb said it is a bug of some sort
[03:27] <Tsjoklat> said to wait for a 'new' version
[03:27] <Tsjoklat> don't know for what version I am suppose to wait for.. gnome or ubu??
[03:27] <georgia> probably your best bet, if you've reported the bug
[03:27] <GammaRay> ys: on gnutella and amule.. you don't have much luck behind a firewall
[03:27] <Tsjoklat> if I have to wait for grumpy I rather stick with warty
[03:28] <Pizbit> Tsjoklat: That sounds like the best option if something as little as a trash can bothers you:)
[03:28] <Tsjoklat> I just hope somebody else has the same problem
[03:28] <Tsjoklat> well you know me Piz... :P
[03:28] <Tsjoklat> your suggestion would be to live with it
[03:29] <Pizbit> You could just use the delete key:)
[03:29] <Tsjoklat> heheh
[03:29] <georgia> i'd recommend sticking with warty. if you cant stand a few bugs, development code isnt for you
[03:29] <Tsjoklat> ok ok ok I get the idea and I shall zip up
[03:29] <sepheebear__> anybody had any luck building NetworkManager on PPC?
[03:29] <Agabus> from experience, how long does it take to do a fresh install of warty?
[03:29] <redemption> anyone know how to alter file associations graphically?
[03:30] <Pizbit> redemption: Right click on the file, hit properties and then "open with" tab
[03:32] <kensai> this problem I'm having with hoary:
[03:32] <kensai> The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_ClockApplet".
[03:32] <kensai> Details: Failed to resolve, or extend '!prefs_key=/apps/panel/profiles/default/applets/clock/prefs;background=none:;orient=down;size=x-small;locked_down=false
[03:32] <kensai> Do you want to delete the applet from your configuration?
[03:33] <kensai> What should I do delete it from configuration?
[03:34] <sepheebear__> i only get this message "configure: error: wireless-tools 27.pre23 not installed or not functional"
[03:40] <SmokingFire> anyone read/hear about that opensource vm (vmware like)
[03:40] <SmokingFire> xen or somthing like that
[03:40] <moltek> i double mounted via NFS , if i try to umount it says device is busy... how do i umount it then ??? any ideas ???
[03:40] <hectorvs> hey guys, whats up
[03:40] <Pizbit> moltek: Is famd looking at it? Make sure you're not in that dir.
[03:40] <GammaRay> moltek: try umount -f
[03:40] <robertj> Agabus: 30 minutes?
[03:40] <hectorvs> i have a small question... is there a way to improve sound quality in ubuntu?
[03:40] <robertj> On a newish computer
[03:40] <robertj> Maybe 15 on a real hot-rod?
[03:40] <hectorvs> because right now its kinda bad, and only one app is allowed to use the sound
[03:40] <robertj> It's noticably more nimble than Fedora
[03:40] <Pizbit> Agabus: A lot of it is automated so you can just do the manual parts first then just go eat dinner;)
[03:40] <Pizbit> hectorvs: Set them all up to use esd and enable that, or look up dmix
[03:40] <moltek> Pizbit: illegal seek
[03:40] <robertj> there needs to be a install notouch=1
[03:40] <kensai> LOL I think gnome dev hear me the clockapplet error was fixed in an apt-get dist-upgrade right now
[03:40] <hectorvs> Pizbit: how do i set them up to use esd?
[03:40] <robertj> does anyone here know whats needed to get sdl games to play sound properly?
[03:42] <Pizbit> hectorvs: Look into the sound config for each app? For rhythmbox and totme-gst you'll have to go into gnome-control-center advanced and change the audio output in the multimedia systems selector
[03:43] <Pizbit> totem-gst even heh
[03:43] <CraHan> say, anyone know what happened to nautilus in the latest hoary update?
[03:44] <CraHan> looks like nautilus can't open pngs anymore
[03:44] <Pizbit> CraHan: Try re-setting the file association
[03:44] <CraHan> also the cdrom/disk icons in the computer folder show up as broken
[03:44] <CraHan> Pizbit: ok
[03:44] <kensai> CraHan: I did the last update and I can open .png with nautilus
[03:45] <CraHan> weird
[03:45] <CraHan> this is on ppc though
[03:45] <kensai> Ohh that may be the prob
[03:45] <CraHan> nautilus doesn't create thumbnails anymore either
[03:45] <CraHan> gimp opens png files fine, so I have the necessary png libs installed I guess
[03:46] <Sewdyn> I've got a problem with Ubuntu I use at school.  I've been using it at school to host a site with Apache2/PHP.
[03:46] <regeya> hm.
[03:47] <mercurus> CraHan: sounds like nautilus and pngs aren't communicating properly ... PizBit's sugestion sounds good, did it work ?
[03:47] <Sewdyn> I was messing around with the /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow files, and I cleared out the root hash and when I tried to 'passwd root' I got some authentication error.  Has anyone seen this?
[03:47] <CraHan> mercurus: trying now
[03:47] <regeya> I thought that xine supported qdesign audio.
[03:47] <vdr> hello can i ask a question  i have Ubuntu install and working fine now im trying to get it to see my usb Hard Drives How make Ubuntu see Them
[03:47] <regeya> I swear I've played trailers with qdesign audio in totem...on other systems.  maybe not.
[03:48] <CraHan> mercurus: erhm, excuse my ignorant question, but where in gnome does one set the fileassociations?
[03:49] <kensai> CraHan: right clicking the file and properties?
[03:49] <Pizbit> Right click on the file, hit properties and then "open with" tab
[03:49] <CraHan> ah ok :)
[03:49] <CraHan> what's normally set as the file association?
[03:49] <CraHan> for a graphics file?
[03:49] <Pizbit> Probably eog
[03:49] <CraHan> k
[03:50] <Sewdyn> Does anyone know about authentication errors from trying to access root ?
[03:50] <CraHan> hmmm
[03:50] <redemption> Pizbit, when I try to do that, it adds an association that will then appear under the open with window. It dosen't change the default left click association.
[03:50] <Pizbit> redemption: Click on the radio button to select the default app
[03:50] <mercurus> Sewdyn: have you set a root password ?
[03:51] <Sewdyn> I had one set from the installation and I tried to delete it by clearing the hash in /etc/shadow.
[03:51] <redemption> pizbit, :-) I try that, that don't unselect.
[03:51] <hectorvs> hey guys, anyone have any idea why the print manager crashes when setting up a SMB windows shared printer?
[03:51] <CraHan> "The filename blabla.png indicates that this file is of type "unknown".  The contents of the file indicate that the file is of type "png document".  If you open this file, the file might present a security risk to your system
[03:51] <Sewdyn> And now it's all messed up.  I didn't really know what I was doing.
[03:51] <ShadowHawk> Ack, I'm hitting too many open files error
[03:51] <CraHan> what the heck is that all about?
[03:51] <ShadowHawk> What do I do?
[03:51] <Pizbit> Meh, hoary:P
[03:51] <CraHan> Pizbit: yeah :)
[03:52] <shad0w913> hi
[03:52] <shad0w913> i need help :p
[03:52] <mercurus> root:*:12724:0:99999:7::: <-- is that what your /etc/shadow file looks like ?
[03:52] <Sewdyn> Yes, but I cleared that out.
[03:52] <Sewdyn> Should I set it back to that ?
[03:52] <mercurus> yes
[03:52] <shad0w913> is there anyone i can talk to individually, because it seems a little crouded for everyone to share their problems at once
[03:52] <mercurus> the * will prevent a root login
[03:53] <Pizbit> shad0w913: Just ask your question and then people will answer using your nick
[03:53] <Pizbit> And use their nick when responding
[03:53] <CraHan> yup
[03:53] <CraHan> it's with the latest hoary update
[03:53] <CraHan> the toshiba laptop has the same problem
[03:53] <Sewdyn> And if I set it back to that, mercurus, how will I log in ?
[03:54] <CraHan> both laptops (toshiba and ibook) don't show the disk icons anymore and don't open gfx file :)
[03:54] <CraHan> gonna have to wait to do an apt-get update
[03:54] <mercurus> Sewdyn: login as root ? or login as a normal user /
[03:54] <Sewdyn> ? as the password ?
[03:54] <mercurus> if root has no password, you use "sudo" to administer the system
[03:54] <mercurus> all you do is:
[03:54] <mercurus> sudo command options
[03:55] <mercurus> it'll prompt for a password
[03:55] <mercurus> enter your USER password
[03:55] <mercurus> and away you go
[03:55] <shad0w913> ok heres my problem, well my first: I'm on a compaq presario laptop and the battery meter doesn't work at all. I went into the synaptics thing, and it tells me that ACPI and APM are installed, but as far as I know, they don't seem to be doing anything.
[03:55] <wims> use for instace sudo passwd root
[03:56] <Sewdyn> Yeah but
[03:56] <Sewdyn> When I tried to passwd root
[03:56] <Sewdyn> It gave me the authentication error.
[03:57] <mercurus> Sewdyn: you're not making a lot of sense ... can you start from the beginning please ?
[03:57] <Sewdyn> The problem is
[03:57] <mercurus> what have you done, and what are you trying to do ?
[03:57] <Sewdyn> I did clear out root and everything, but when I went back into root to set a new password, it gave me an authentication error.
[03:58] <Sewdyn> I'm trying to get it to set a new password so it'll work like it did before, heh.
[03:58] <mercurus> what is "root and everything" ?
[03:58] <mercurus> and from where ?
[03:58] <mercurus> what is left in /etc/shadow ?
[03:58] <Sewdyn> Oh.  I mean, the hash for root inside /etc/shadow.
[03:58] <GammaRay> at the end of the install it gave me a command to "revisist" the installer.. what might that have been?
[03:58] <mercurus> and /etc/passwd ?
[03:58] <shad0w913> can anyone help me?
[03:58] <Sewdyn> Not sure if I cleaned the hash from /etc/passwd.  Could that've been the problem?
[03:59] <mercurus> Sewdyn: ok, so you've replaced root's hash with a "*" in /etc/shadow ?
[03:59] <Sewdyn> No.
[03:59] <Sewdyn> I just cleared it and saved it.
[03:59] <shad0w913> fuck
[03:59] <shad0w913> of course
[03:59] <Pizbit> GammaRay: Sounds like a typo for "revisit" which I assume would mean in case you want to change something you'd done wrong etc etc
[03:59] <shad0w913> i have the only model of the compaqs where the acpi doesn't work
[03:59] <shad0w913> grrrrr
[03:59] <GammaRay> Pizbit: correct
[03:59] <mercurus> Sewdyn: replace root's hash with a "*" in /etc/shadow .
[03:59] <shad0w913> well possibly
[03:59] <shad0w913> does the whole 1800 series not work with acpi?
[04:00] <GammaRay> Pizbit: one the first one.. I have not actually done anythjing wrong but I am exploring
[04:00] <Sewdyn> So set it as  root:*:12724:0:99999:7:: ?
[04:00] <mercurus> yes
[04:01] <Sewdyn> And would I need to set anything else in passwd ?
[04:01] <Sewdyn> Or would I need to make any new user accounts and set them too?
[04:01] <moltek> me again... I installed the whole system and the user defaults to UID 1000, ok , i managed to change the UID, i did chown the whole home DIR, but now i dont have permission to /dev/dsp , i cant listen to audio, Ive checked and the user is added to the group audio...
[04:01] <mercurus> if you haven't changed it, it should be fine
[04:01] <Sewdyn> I may have changed it ... I'm not even sure = (
[04:01] <Pizbit> moltek: Has the user logged out then in again?
[04:01] <mercurus> Sewdyn: ok, then let's see what's in it
[04:01] <Pizbit> moltek: Double check by running 'groups' as that user
[04:02] <moltek> Pizbit: ok..
[04:02] <mercurus> cat /etc/paswd grep root
[04:02] <Pizbit> To give you an idea, groups gives me 'pizbit adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner'
[04:02] <Sewdyn> I don't have the computer because I'm not at school.  Sorry = (
[04:03] <mercurus> Sewdyn: ok, assuming you didn't touch /etc/passwd you should be able to login as a normal user, and use sudo
[04:03] <Tyche> What was the wiki information for the w32codecs? Does anyone have that URL?
[04:03] <Sewdyn> And Sudo won't prompt for a password?
[04:03] <moltek> Pizbit: brilliant... :D
[04:03] <Agabus> yay ubuntu just finished downloading!
[04:04] <shad0w913> anyone?
[04:04] <shad0w913> pweeeaaaase
[04:04] <shad0w913> lol
[04:04] <hectorvs> Agabus, have fun! :)
[04:04] <moltek> Bobby Vinton - Blue Veltet Playing in XMMS... :D
[04:04] <Pizbit> Tyche: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:05] <Tyche> Pizbit: Thank You.
[04:05] <Pizbit> Wow, that link is still 1 per 1000 lines in here:)
[04:05] <shad0w913> :(
[04:05] <mercurus> Sewdyn: as I said, it'll prompt for your USER's password - not root's non-existent password
[04:07] <Sewdyn> Okay.  And this is product of root's password being default as  root:*:12724:0:99999:7:: ?
[04:07] <shad0w913> ok, lets try a different question: what if I went in to grub, turned off acpi, turned on APM (which is already installed), and then rebooted. Would that make the battery meter work?
[04:07] <mercurus> Sewdyn: no, it is the default.
[04:07] <Agabus> hectorvs: i will :D
[04:07] <mercurus> shad0w913: worth a shot
[04:07] <wims> it's your users password
[04:07] <Sewdyn> Okay.  And do you happen to know what I'd need to fix up if I had botched the passwd file too ?
[04:07] <Pizbit> shad0w913: Give it a go, can't hurt eh?
[04:07] <shad0w913> how do I make sure that the APM module is loaded, doesn't it have to be in some directory somewere?
[04:07] <Pizbit> shad0w913: Put it into /etc/modules
[04:07] <linux_galore> shad0w913: if its a intel based laptop I usually find having acpi on is a positive move also make sure the acpid daemon is active
[04:08] <mercurus> Sewdyn: if you botched passwd, you'll know about it ... you'll probably have to re-install or boot up from the install CD ... you won't be able to login
[04:08] <Pizbit> linux_galore: You didn't see the bit where he said his laptop doesn't work with acpi
[04:08] <shad0w913> well according to the docks and the forums, ACPI doesn't work with 1800 series compaqs :(
[04:08] <shad0w913> *docs
[04:08] <mercurus> eg. if you removed root's entry, you can't sudo as root ... because uid 0 won't resolve correctly
[04:08] <shad0w913> oops :p
[04:08] <Sewdyn> So... there's no way to fix that without reinstalling?
[04:08] <linux_galore> Pizbit: so its not an intel based laptop then ??
[04:08] <wims> without root you got a big problem
[04:08] <Pizbit> linux_galore: No idea
[04:08] <shad0w913> it's intel based, pentium III
[04:09] <mercurus> Sewdyn: yes, boot up with the install CD and repair /etc/passwd manuall
[04:09] <shad0w913> 600mhz, I think
[04:09] <shad0w913> maybe more
[04:09] <Sewdyn> And repairing /etc/passwd manually would consist of ... typing out new hashes for it?
[04:09] <shad0w913> how do i check to see if acpi is on?
[04:09] <mercurus> shadow: it is x86 which is what is important ;)
[04:09] <mercurus> Sewdyn: there won't be any hashes in /etc/passwd
[04:09] <linux_galore> shad0w913: yeah you need acpi and the acpid daemon running with that unit
[04:09] <mercurus> there will be basic information, the fields are shown in man /etc/passwd
[04:10] <mercurus> eg. root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
[04:10] <hectorvs> hey guys, if I change between wireless networks alot, is there a way for ubuntu tu automagically detect the network its in and select the correct config (like wep)?
[04:11] <ys> when i 'apt-cache search direct connect' how do i make it search for both words together?
[04:11] <linux_galore> shad0w913: bet you only have the acpi module and you dont have the daemon running
[04:11] <ShadowHawk> How do I raise the number of open files allowed for a program like bittorrent?
[04:11] <desp> hello
[04:12] <[Mirak] > hi
[04:12] <desp> I remember reading a webpage regarding some controversy about the Ubuntu "circle of friends" photos...
[04:12] <desp> but I can't find it
[04:12] <mercurus> hmm ... I'm using a desktop ... and something I've removed has stopped the machine soft-powering off ... I have apmd, and acpid and associated packages ... what have I removed that I shouldn't ?
[04:12] <CraHan> hmmm
[04:12] <[Mirak] > they are gone
[04:12] <desp> can someone point me to it?
[04:12] <CraHan> sleep seems to hang the ibook
[04:12] <CraHan> closing the lide makes it sleep
[04:12] <CraHan> but opening it again hangs it
[04:12] <[Mirak] > desp, search for ubuntu calander
[04:13] <GammaRay> snd_via82xx is loaded for my sound card. How and where does it get loaded?
[04:13] <shad0w913> linux_galore: did you block IMs?
[04:13] <Sewdyn> Mercurus, say I got the install CD and booted it to repair passwd manually ... how would I do that?
[04:13] <linux_galore> mercurus: lsmod  see if acpi is loaded
[04:13] <RuffianSoldier> Debian :-p
[04:13] <shank_> is there a common problem with getting an md5sum error when trying to install?
[04:14] <Sewdyn> Edit the passwd file and replace it with defaults?
[04:14] <desp> ah, thanks [Mirak] 
[04:14] <linux_galore> shad0w913: no just I have so many chats going your just got pushed to the back
[04:14] <RuffianSoldier> shank_, never heard of such a thing, so maybe......
[04:14] <shad0w913> oh, ok
[04:14] <GammaRay> on mandrake /etc/init.d/sound would load the proper module that /etc/modprobe.conf had an alias to
[04:14] <shank_> RuffianSoldier: yeah, it will not install on my laptop
[04:14] <linux_galore> shad0w913: nothing personal as they say
[04:14] <RuffianSoldier> shank_, ubuntu wont?
[04:14] <mercurus> Sewdyn: by putting what I typed above into the first line of /etc/passwd
[04:14] <shank_> the screen gets stuck at 34% constantly refreshing
[04:14] <shad0w913> it's fine, just try to get to it eventually ;)
[04:15] <Sewdyn> root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash ?
[04:15] <shank_> and on F4, there's an error about md5sum
[04:15] <RuffianSoldier> shank_, download Ubuntu from a different mirror, then burn a new ISO
[04:15] <shank_> RuffianSoldier: i checked the md5sum of the iso
[04:15] <shank_> its fine
[04:15] <mercurus> linux_galore: it isn't ... where does one put module loading instructions for Ubuntu ?
[04:15] <RuffianSoldier> strange
[04:15] <RuffianSoldier> it could be a hardware problem shank_
[04:16] <shank_> well, the laptop has fedora installed on it :-)
[04:16] <shank_> currently using it
[04:17] <CraHan> looks like I need to disable hal to be able to suspend
[04:18] <RuffianSoldier> shank_, Debian rules! All you need is Ubuntu
[04:20] <Tyche> Pizbit: Is there another repository then universe that will give you added repositories?
[04:20] <Tyche> Pizbit: I remember getting it off of the wiki site, but cannot find it, the name it had was "testing"
[04:20] <Tsjoklat> Tyche the merilat one
[04:21] <stuNNed_> well i had to physically remove snd_intel8x0m from the /lib/modules tree so that it would not load, putting it in /etc/hotplug/blacklist did nothing
[04:23] <Tyche> Tsjoklat: Yes, that is the one. I searched for that "merilat" is that the correct spelling?
[04:23] <desp> so is there a way to get the gnome-splash featuring the circle of friends guys?
[04:24] <GammaRay> stuNNed_: I'm pretty new to ubuntu. I just installed it yesterday.
[04:25] <GammaRay> stuNNed_: I've been looking around and I have no idea how it loads sound modules..
[04:25] <hectorvs> quick question, where are ubuntu wallpapers stored??
[04:25] <hectorvs> I added a read only file and now everytime i try to change the background the app crashes
[04:26] <dml> Tyche, marillat
[04:26] <yohannes> what do u guys think about limewire?
[04:27] <desp> yohannes: teh sux
[04:27] <Tsjoklat> not sure about the spelling Tyche
[04:27] <Tsjoklat> could be with a E or a A
[04:27] <yohannes> desp: what do u recommend?
[04:28] <Tsjoklat> brb
[04:28] <desp> the correct spelling is "marillat"
[04:29] <GammaRay> yohannes: gtk-gnutella is better, I know that
[04:30] <mdz> GammaRay: hotplug
[04:31] <GammaRay> hey, what's the command to show the current run level and the last one?
[04:31] <yohannes> how about xmule? any of u guys try it?
[04:31] <GammaRay> I use amule.. it's a fork of xmule
[04:31] <GammaRay> quite nice for large files.. as long as you can wait
[04:32] <GammaRay> mdz: thanks
[04:34] <stuNNed_> GammaRay, it's the module for audio from the modem is all, like i need that! :D
[04:35] <stuNNed_> GammaRay, i've had a few issues with ubuntu and sound but besides that it's been great!
[04:36] <yohannes> thanks guys
[04:36] <shank_> what version of firefox does ubuntu have?
[04:37] <bob2> which version of ubuntu?
[04:37] <bob2> warty has 0.9.3, hoary has rc1
[04:37] <WX> how do you enable cgi-bin access for each user?
[04:38] <WX> i added: <Directory /home/*/public_html/cgi-bin>
[04:38] <WX>         AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit
[04:38] <WX>         Options All
[04:38] <WX>     </Directory>
[04:40] <bob2> ouchery
[04:41] <Tyche> Thanks dml and Tsjoklat I was able to find it with those suggestions. The correct spelling is Marillat
[04:41] <bob2> that has serious security implications, WX
[04:41] <WX> hehe
[04:41] <Tyche> Are there any other 'must have' repositories? I have the multiuniverse also.
[04:41] <WX> i realize... but i was only trying to make sure i didn't miss something
[04:41] <WX> but i must have somewhere
[04:41] <desp> I'm falling in love with Ubuntu
[04:42] <desp> that chocolate girl on the desktop is helping, too
[04:42] <ToGGY> mmmm
[04:42] <kensai> need help this is what I get when I try to run xmms:
[04:42] <kensai> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:42] <kensai> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[04:42] <ToGGY> xmmms?
[04:42] <hectorvs> in which folder are the ubuntu wallpapers stored? (the ones that come by default?)
[04:42] <ToGGY> i just ran into that
[04:43] <ToGGY> kensai: search for mikmod in synaptic and install all the results
[04:43] <ToGGY> anyone wanna see my desktop?
[04:43] <RuffianSoldier> hey all
[04:43] <ToGGY> http://georgedubya.info/Screenshot.png
[04:44] <ToGGY> My ip ends in .255
[04:44] <kensai> ToGGY: Thanks everything fine now Thanks again
[04:44] <ToGGY> Yep
[04:44] <ToGGY> Now look at my screenshot!~
[04:44] <bob2> kensai: it's a bug in the nvidia drivers
[04:48] <bob2> kensai: install libmikmod2
[04:48] <hectorvs> this is not good
[04:48] <kensai> bob2: But is the first time this bug affects me this is my 3rd install of ubuntu
[04:48] <hectorvs> my gnome-background-properties program keeps on crashing every time i open it
[04:48] <bob2> hectorvs: /usr/share/backgrounds/
[04:48] <bob2> kensai: yes, it's a very weird bug
[04:48] <RuffianSoldier> I have a question.... Am I the only Ubuntu User/Lover (Tis my favorite distro) that uses KDE???
[04:48] <hectorvs> bob2: thanks a million
[04:48] <bob2> it only affects some people, sometime
[04:48] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: of course not
[04:48] <RuffianSoldier> who else uses Ubuntu In KDE?
[04:48] <bob2> hectorvs: (found that by doing dpkg -L ubuntu-artwork | grep background)
[04:48] <kensai> RuffianSoldier: I have kde installed and have used it
[04:48] <ToGGY> Gnome > KDE
[04:48] <RuffianSoldier> Cool, I always use KDE since I have it installed.  But Gnome is still awesome
[04:48] <kensai> RuffianSoldier: it is broken in some parts
[04:48] <RuffianSoldier> kensai, I got mine working great: KDE 3.2
[04:48] <hectorvs> bob2: thanks again, ill keep that in mind for future searches
[04:48] <ToGGY> Why aint there any OPS in here?
[04:48] <bob2> hectorvs: you're welcome
[04:48] <kensai> RuffianSoldier: Mine is working great but when I try to compile baghira theme it sasy I don't ahve some qt libraries some weird things too
[04:48] <bob2> ToGGY: there are
[04:48] <RuffianSoldier> ToGGY, |trey| is an op
[04:48] <bob2> just not currently +o
[04:48] <RuffianSoldier> he owns channel
[04:48] <kensai> But I don't mine Gnome is the better choice
[04:48] <kensai> *mind*
[04:48] <bob2> |trey| is not an op
[04:48] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, I was pretty sure he is!!!!
[04:49] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: well, he's not, and he doesn't own the channel either.
[04:49] <bob2> he just talks a lot.
[04:49] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, how come where it shows the name of the owner of the channel, it says |
[04:49] <kensai> bob2: "he just talks a lot."  LOL LOL LOL
[04:49] <RuffianSoldier> |trey|
[04:50] <EfaistOs> hi
[04:50] <EfaistOs> is the unstable version ok for a workstation ? nothing broking it right now ....
[04:51] <bob2> EfaistOs: it's usable, but I wouldn't run it if you want to be really sure nothing wil breakl
[04:51] <RuffianSoldier> :-(
[04:52] <EfaistOs> bob2, ok but i was using inkscape 0.39 in sid on debian and now it's only 0.38 in warty
[04:52] <EfaistOs> is there security for hoary also ?
[04:53] <jdub> no
[04:53] <kensai> there are some broken pacakges that come and go in a few minutes here in hoary
[04:53] <bob2> no
[04:53] <bob2> hoary has a similar security deal to sid
[04:53] <EfaistOs> kensai, like in sid ?
[04:53] <EfaistOs> so it's quite usable ...
[04:54] <kensai> EfaistOs: sometimes more unstable than SID
[04:55] <EfaistOs> arf ...
[04:55] <EfaistOs> by the way did someone try doom3 under linux ?
[04:56] <jdub> not necessarily more unstable
[04:56] <jdub> just faster
[04:56] <kensai> EfaistOs: But i told you it's a matter of minutes and there is a fix in apt-get -dist-upgrade
[04:56] <bob2> it's linux to the MAX
[04:57] <kensai> Is ubuntu localizing for spanish users?
[04:58] <RuffianSoldier> Im afraid of Huary hedgehog, Because I will want to use it, but then I will have to reformat and loose all my files and configurations!
[04:58] <RuffianSoldier> NOOO!
[04:58] <kensai> reformat why?
[04:58] <RuffianSoldier> umm, how else would I install it
[04:59] <kensai> apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:59] <RuffianSoldier> umm, can I do that when haury comes out?!?!
[04:59] <EfaistOs> haury ?
[04:59] <kensai> changing the sources.list to hoary instead of warty
[04:59] <ToGGY> SysInfo: uname: Linux 2.6.8.1-3-k7 CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+ 2090.649 MHz Bogomips: 4136.96 Mem: 835/1012M [||||||||||]  Diskspace: 55.99G Free: 54.00G Procs: 75 Uptime: 1 hr 18 mins 53 secs Load: 0.75 0.70 0.48  Screen: nVidia Corporation NV31 [GeForce FX 5600XT]  (rev a1) Screen Resolution: 1280x1024 (24 bpp) eth0: In: 477.17M Out: 23.21M
[05:00] <kensai> LoL haury sounds like a womens name
[05:00] <bob2> ToGGY: please fix your irc client so it never does that again
[05:00] <bob2> kensai: it's "hoary".
[05:00] <RuffianSoldier> kensai. Whorey Hedgehog
[05:00] <ToGGY> ;p;
[05:00] <kensai> bob2: I know is hoary
[05:00] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: you don't need to reformat anything.
[05:00] <kensai> bob2: I was just kidding
[05:00] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, explain
[05:02] <rublind> Who wants to help me fix my sound?
[05:02] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: just use warty.
[05:03] <kensai> rublind: what happened?
[05:03] <rublind> I just installed ubuntu, and it doesn't work.
[05:03] <rublind> I believe it's a hotplug problem.
[05:03] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, why?!?! why use an old version when the latest come out
[05:03] <bob2> why do you think that?
[05:03] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: hoary is not out yet.
[05:03] <rublind> When I go to properties in on the volume icon in the corner, my sound card is last, and I think it needs to be before the Intel thing on my motherboard.
[05:03] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: when it is released in april, you can easily upgrade then.
[05:04] <RuffianSoldier> how? apt-get -dist upgrade?
[05:04] <dreamcatcher> hello
[05:04] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: yes.
[05:04] <bob2> well, spelt correctly.
[05:05] <kensai> RuffianSoldier: Upgrade to hoary if you want by accessing the /etc/apt/sources.list and editing everything that says warty to hoary and then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:05] <RuffianSoldier> wow
[05:05] <RuffianSoldier> thats alot of work
[05:05] <RuffianSoldier> they need to make an upgrade CD
[05:05] <RuffianSoldier> :-p
[05:05] <kensai> RuffianSoldier: Please come on
[05:06] <Agabus> alright guys im up and running with ubuntu :D
[05:06] <kensai> RuffianSoldier: stay with warty then why go unstable and loose everything if you mess up ;)
[05:06] <RuffianSoldier> i guess
[05:07] <RuffianSoldier> Ubuntu is a great, stable desktop
[05:07] <RuffianSoldier> i have had more problems with Windows and other Linux distros then Ubuntu
[05:07] <kensai> RuffianSoldier: I'm in hoary cause I love linux to the MAX
[05:07] <RuffianSoldier> ..........
[05:07] <RuffianSoldier> .........
[05:07] <RuffianSoldier> ...........
[05:07] <kensai> RuffianSoldier: I have more probs with Windows than with my ex-girlfriend ;)
[05:07] <RuffianSoldier> AHAHAHAHAHAHA
[05:08] <RuffianSoldier> I keep my XP box clean
[05:08] <RuffianSoldier> and i dont pay for it either
[05:08] <RuffianSoldier> Bittorent ruleS!
[05:08] <kensai> RuffianSoldier: I keep my box clean by not installing XP in it :P
[05:08] <Agabus> hey people, i just booted up ubuntu and i'm running synaptic for the first time, should i add any new repositories to the list to download stuff that isnt in the default ones??
[05:09] <kensai> Agabus: Did you uncomment the reps in sources.list?
[05:09] <RuffianSoldier> People have to be stupid to pay for Windows.  MS is such a bastard corperation, and they make stuff up about Linux being 10 times as expensive.  So I dont pay for there stuff
[05:10] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: please, this is not a warez channel.
[05:10] <RuffianSoldier> ahahahaah
[05:10] <RuffianSoldier> ok
[05:10] <kensai> RuffianSoldier: This is piracy so don't talk about it here
[05:10] <bob2> Agabus: universe and multiverse might have stuff you want, but remember that they are not supported
[05:10] <Agabus> kensai: i havnt dont anything at all yet really, and im pretty noob at synaptec so i dunno wat u mean
[05:10] <RuffianSoldier> hmmm, bob2, whats multiverse?
[05:11] <kensai> Agabus: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list and in there just erase the # of some of the links
[05:11] <Agabus> kensai: what does that do?
[05:11] <kensai> It adds all the packages
[05:11] <RuffianSoldier> Agabus, good stuff
[05:12] <Agabus> k ill try
[05:12] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-20.1228090247
[05:12] <hectorvs> how do i know if i have java installed correctly? (i want to install azureus)
[05:12] <kensai> Agabus: once you do it tell me what you did so I make sure you don't screw your ubuntu
[05:12] <bob2> erm, encourgaging people to use universe and multiverse for no reason seems a bit silly
[05:13] <RuffianSoldier> My ubuntu install on my desktop linux box had no errors, all i had to do was enable universe in synaptic and everything was up and running. Also apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[05:13] <kensai> bob2: sorry I just want to let people use their rights LOL
[05:13] <Lord_Viper> Hey guys is there a changelog other than the email list for Hoary?
[05:13] <kensai> bob2: He asked to have more packages
[05:13] <bob2> kensai: it's not about rights
[05:13] <RageMax> is there some way I could write a script to automatically clean up icons every time an icon is added or removed in a directory?
[05:13] <kensai> bob2: yeah I know sorry
[05:14] <kensai> :(
[05:14] <Agabus> ok i deleted 2 #'s from to urls in the file, then saved it
[05:14] <kensai> they said universe at the end?
[05:14] <bob2> RageMax: how do you mean "clean up"?
[05:14] <Agabus> Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[05:14] <bob2> Lord_Viper: there's the page describing the plans for it
[05:15] <bob2> Agabus: run "apt-get update" or synaptic update
[05:15] <kensai> Agabus: apt-get update
[05:15] <kensai> it will be fixed or just reload
[05:15] <Lord_Viper> k, thx Bob2
[05:15] <RageMax> bob2: "Clean up by name" in the context menu in nautilus
[05:15] <Agabus> how much will it download?
[05:15] <kensai> nothing
[05:15] <bob2> kensai: no
[05:15] <bob2> Agabus: a few megabytes
[05:16] <Agabus> i try apt-get update from the terminal and its like could not open lock file
[05:16] <bob2> "sudo apt-get update"
[05:16] <kensai> bob2: ok I'm sleepy sorry
[05:16] <Agabus> sweet its doin somethin
[05:16] <kensai> I might need a cup of coffe
[05:16] <Agabus> wat exactly is it doin?
[05:16] <SuperQ> COFFEEEEE
[05:17] <kensai> Agabus: retrieving packages from the universe
[05:17] <bob2> kensai: no
[05:17] <bob2> Agabus: it's downloading the lists of available packages.
[05:17] <kensai> bob2: AHHH I give up then
[05:17] <Agabus> lol oh ok
[05:18] <kensai> bob2: Thats what I meant to say
[05:18] <Agabus> so couldn't i have been able to do this from within synaptec
[05:18] <RuffianSoldier> yes
[05:18] <kensai> Agabus: yes
[05:18] <Agabus> lol ok
[05:18] <RuffianSoldier> console is best
[05:18] <bob2> Agabus: as I said 'or synaptic update'
[05:18] <Agabus> oh k\
[05:18] <Agabus> well i opened synaptec now and it showed no errors
[05:18] <Pizbit> Agabus: Yeah you could, hit reload
[05:19] <Agabus> can i now download previously unavailable packages?
[05:19] <kensai> Agabus: yes
[05:19] <Agabus> sweet
[05:19] <bob2> Agabus: well, some of them
[05:19] <Agabus> i wanna get rhythmbox working with mp3s
[05:19] <bob2> Agabus: you don't universe or multiverse for that
[05:19] <kensai> Kool I answered and bob2 didn't said no to me ;)
[05:19] <bob2> if you'd just asked that to begin with
[05:19] <bob2> install gstreamer0.8-mad from main
[05:20] <Agabus> no, that wasnt all i wanted to do but ok
 hey people, i just booted up ubuntu and i'm running synaptic for the first time, should i add any new repositories to the list to download stuff that isnt in the default ones??
[05:20] <kensai> thats part of it ^
[05:20] <bob2> yes, I know
[05:21] <desp> so...I installed both gvlc and gnome-vlc...but they both look out-of-place on my Ubuntu desktop
[05:21] <desp> what's up with that?
[05:21] <bob2> desp: it's a gtk1.2 program
[05:21] <bob2> totem is the gnome2 video player
[05:22] <kensai> why can't totem be removed?
[05:22] <Agabus> is there a way to set the default media player to rhythm box?
[05:22] <desp> a pity that I haven't figured out yet how to make it play .avi files
[05:22] <bob2> kensai: of course it can be removed
[05:22] <bob2> desp: install totem-xine
[05:22] <bob2> desp: as wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats says
[05:22] <desp> I see
[05:22] <kensai> It depends on ubuntu-desktop and says it will be removed
[05:22] <Pizbit> kensai: That's safe
[05:23] <Pizbit> ubuntu-desktop = meta package
[05:23] <bob2> kensai: yes, but it's safe to remove ubuntu-desktop
[05:23] <kensai> can I remove ubuntu-desktop which effect will it take?
[05:23] <Pizbit> kensai: None:)
[05:23] <kensai> Nothing or just little bit?
[05:23] <Pizbit> Nothing
[05:23] <bob2> Pizbit: that's not quite true
[05:23] <Pizbit> Zip! Nada! Zilch!:)
[05:23] <kensai> why is it there then?
[05:24] <Pizbit> bob2: Blah, hasn't hurt anyone yet eh?:)
[05:24] <bob2> kensai: it means you won't get future ubuntu desktop packages installed automatically
[05:24] <kensai> errrmmm? and?
[05:24] <bur[n] er> why remove totem anyway?
[05:24] <bur[n] er> i like totem
[05:24] <bob2> kensai: it's there to Depend on all the basic desktop stuff, so you only need to install one package
[05:24] <Agabus> ubuntu looks so much nicer than mandrake :D
[05:24] <Pizbit> bur[n] er: He's not, he's changing it to totem-xine
[05:24] <kensai> cause totem does absolutely nothing it has no codecs for mpegs
[05:25] <tseng> totem-xine can use w32codecs
[05:25] <bob2> it does lots
[05:25] <tseng> ffpeg
[05:25] <tseng> etc
[05:25] <Pizbit> kensai: You could just install xine-ui and use xine, plus the w32codecs package from the marillat repository
[05:25] <kensai> Pizbit: thanks
[05:26] <Pizbit> kensai: Just be sure to change files to open with xine (rigth click -> open with type in xine) :)
[05:26] <desp> when I was installing vlc using synaptic, it installed a few other packages as well.  now when I select vlc for complete removal, it only wants to remove wxvlc as well.  how can I get synaptic to purge all unnecessary packages, such as the vlc dependencies that are no longer needed?
[05:26] <WW> bob2: Just curious about that ubunut-desktop thing... what are the chances that the packages on which ubuntu-desktop depends will change in warty?
[05:27] <bob2> desp: I don't believe synaptic can do that.  deboprhan can, and if you use aptitude it happens automatically.
[05:27] <bob2> WW: in warty? 0.000000%.  in hoary, pretty good.
[05:27] <desp> bob2: I'm totally new to debian. can you elaborate a bit?
[05:27] <bob2> in fact, it has changed in hoary already, iirc
[05:27] <WW> bob2: That's about what I figured.  Thanks.
[05:29] <desp> I'm pretty much new to linux, as well
[05:29] <bob2> desp: which bit?
[05:29] <desp> deborphan -- can I just use it without any worries?
[05:29] <bob2> yes.
[05:29] <bob2> debfoster does a simlar deal, I think
[05:29] <desp> both seem to be not installed, though
[05:29] <Pizbit> desp: Install them if you want:)
[05:29] <desp> aight ;)
[05:29] <desp> so aptitude's better than synaptic?
[05:30] <kensai> bob2: ubuntu-desktop has a new version should I upgrade to it in hoary?
[05:30] <bob2> different
[05:30] <bob2> I certainly prefer aptitude
[05:30] <RuffianSoldier> I am commensing my vector/libranet linux easy dual boot experiment!!
[05:30] <Pizbit> desp: It's a lot less intuitive
[05:30] <Pizbit> Although I hear synaptic is due for some changes for hoary, not sure what they are
[05:30] <kensai> bob2: it removes something like libfam0.......
[05:30] <desp> ahm.
[05:30] <bob2> kensai: not unless you're already running hoary
[05:30] <kensai> yeah I'm runing hoary
[05:31] <RuffianSoldier> how?
[05:31] <RuffianSoldier> not possible!
[05:31] <desp> ah btw
[05:31] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: please chill out
[05:31] <bob2> kensai: don't think it depends on anything more interesting yet
[05:31] <desp> is there a way to force synaptic to use the system terminal font?
[05:31] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, hey, im fine dude, i am chill like an ice burg!
[05:31] <RuffianSoldier> =)
[05:31] <kensai> bob2: it says to be removed libdfam0c102
[05:31] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: you just seem to get very loud about trivial things
[05:32] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, sorry :-/
[05:32] <RuffianSoldier> :-(
[05:32] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: dude.
[05:32] <kensai> bob2: is it safe to remove?
[05:32] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: it's IRC.
[05:32] <kensai> LOL
[05:33] <bob2> kensai: if you agree that it's not forcing anything you want out, yes
[05:34] <ys> How can I make VLC my default player? I'm using gnome 2.8.
[05:35] <Pizbit> Right click -> 'open with' and type in the command to run vlc
[05:35] <Pizbit> Alternatively: Right click -> Properties -> 'Open With' tab -> Add it, tick the radio button for it.
[05:37] <kensai> does instaling w32codecs give totem the ability to play mpegs and all that?
[05:37] <RuffianSoldier> snd im back!
[05:37] <Pizbit> kensai: Only totem-xine I  believe
[05:37] <kensai> but totem-xine wants to remove my ubuntu-desktop
[05:37] <kensai> LOL
[05:37] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[05:38] <Pizbit> So let it, or use plain xine
[05:38] <ys> Pizbit: I want it to open all movie files with VLC as it's default.  Not just one file.
[05:38] <kensai> then I'll use xine
[05:38] <Pizbit> ys: That will set it for the file type, not that file itself
[05:40] <kensai> Bye and thanks guys
[05:40] <RageMax> is it even possible to set a program for a single file?
[05:40] <Pizbit> RageMax: Depends, if it's a script you change the #! line, else you might just have to code the feature in, I havn't seen it yet(doesn't mean it aint there though...)
[05:42] <RuffianSoldier> damn my sholder hurts
[05:42] <hectorvs> how the funk does one start bit-tornado?
[05:42] <Pizbit> Got the gui part too it?
[05:43] <hectorvs> i installed it from the universe, but i cant find the bin... ?
[05:43] <hectorvs> yeah, i installed both
[05:43] <Pizbit> I just clicked on a link in firefox and it worked;)
[05:43] <hectorvs> lol
[05:43] <hectorvs> lemme see
[05:43] <desp> what do you guys use as a terminal?
[05:43] <shad0w913> linux_galore
[05:43] <desp> the default terminal already crashed twice for me :/
[05:43] <Pizbit> hectorvs: bt<tab>
[05:43] <Pizbit> desp: gnome-terminal
[05:44] <hectorvs> Pizbit: i get alot of things
[05:44] <hectorvs> all bt related
[05:44] <desp> Pizbit: that's the one
[05:44] <Pizbit> hectorvs: Yeah, try figure out which one it is heh, I think I found it once:)
[05:44] <Pizbit> btdownloadgui.bittornado
[05:45] <hectorvs> thats the one, i found it
[05:45] <hectorvs> just as you typed it
[05:45] <hectorvs> lol
[05:45] <Pizbit> I didn't type, I pasted:)
[05:46] <hectorvs> ^_^
[05:47] <hectorvs> hey Pizbit, do you know how to make a bash script?
[05:47] <Pizbit> Barely touched them
[05:47] <hectorvs> i want to make a script that detects the essid of the wireless network i happen to be in so it can configure itself
[05:47] <RuffianSoldier> hectorvs, I do, but it depends on what your trying to get done?
[05:48] <RuffianSoldier> hectorvs, oh, im a fan of WiFi, but havent messed with it in linux
[05:48] <hectorvs> i move alot between networks and its a pain to set them up manually
[05:49] <RuffianSoldier> feel ya ther
[05:49] <hectorvs> RuffianSoldier, hmm... what happens is that if i have a config for network A and then turn on the comp while being in network B, the bootup process will hang until i hit ctrl-c
[05:49] <hazmat> hectorvs, there is a wireless bash script for gentoo you might be able to google for which does it
[05:50] <hectorvs> hazmat, yeah i think i saw it too... lemme take a looksee, see how it goes and Ill post it in the forums
[05:50] <hectorvs> alot of people are having this problems, so it seems
[05:50] <hazmat> pls do so on the mailing list as well
[05:50] <hectorvs> yup
[05:52] <desp> hmmm
[05:52] <desp> I added "deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[05:53] <Pizbit> Change unstable to testing
[05:53] <desp> to my /etc/apt/sources.list, did a reload, but I still can't see the packages
[05:53] <desp> Pizbit: why?
[05:53] <Pizbit> Because mplayer packages require stuff newer than what's in universe iirc
[05:54] <desp> Pizbit: isn't unstable newer than testing?
[05:54] <Pizbit> That's exactly what I'm referring too.
[05:54] <desp> Pizbit: also, testing only has i386 binaries, while I'm on PowerPC
[05:55] <desp> I thought that since unstable also has sources, apt-get would be smart enough to get them and compile them, but it seems that I'm wrong
[05:55] <jdub> desp: "can't see"?
[05:55] <jdub> desp: apt-get source <package>
[05:56] <desp> jdub: "can't see" as in "not in the synaptic package list"
[05:57] <jdub> desp: synaptic lists binary packages, not sources
[05:57] <Pizbit> desp: It is smart enough, but it doesn't help if the newer packages aren't in any of the lists, but do go on, I havn't touched PPC
[05:57] <desp> I see
[05:57] <bob2> Pizbit: there's lots of us
[05:58] <desp> there would probably be more if OldWorld PPC was officially supported
[05:58] <Pizbit> bob2: Why?:)
[05:58] <bob2> desp: oldworld ppc is not going to have much fun with gnome2.8
[05:58] <desp> bob2: really?
[05:58] <bob2> Pizbit: cheap, fast, pretty, light, long battery life
[05:58] <desp> I'm running Warty on an OldWorld PowerMac 7300 with a G4/450 upgrade card
[05:59] <desp> 288MB RAM
[05:59] <bob2> heh, old world g4
[05:59] <bob2> didnt' consider that
[05:59] <desp> plenty of those
[05:59] <bob2> but it's pretty easy to install debian on them and dist-upgrade if you want to
[05:59] <desp> ah
[05:59] <bob2> well, compared to the number of new world g4s, there really isn't that many
[06:00] <bob2> but it could happen for hoary if people can help out
[06:00] <desp> are there really that many people with new macs that prefer running linux instead of OS X?
[06:00] <desp> somehow, I doubt it
[06:00] <bob2> I bought a brand new mac to run ubuntu on it
[06:01] <desp> well, obviously you are a maniac ;)
[06:01] <DracosX> heh, I was considering doing that very same thing
[06:01] <mitochondyu> hi all
[06:01] <mitochondyu> newb here
[06:01] <desp> but I'm interested to know your reasoning
[06:02] <DracosX> personally, I prefer gnome to aqua, and linux to darwin, but ppc to x86
[06:04] <AlohaWolf> can someone send me a copy of their XF86Config-4, preferably someone who hasnt edited it since they installed?
[06:08] <desp> is anyone here using mac-on-linux?
[06:09] <attitude> I can not seem to get gdesklets to display
[06:09] <attitude> any ideas
[06:10] <RageMax> sweet, someone fixed the clock applet problem already
[06:10] <hectorvs> guys, i found the wireless config script
[06:10] <AlohaWolf> I think everyone is asleep
[06:10] <attitude> AlohaWolf: darn
[06:10] <hectorvs> now, i need some help in implementing it to ubuntu and debian in general
[06:10] <DracosX> attitude: any particular display/sensor that isn't working, or just gdesklets in general?
[06:10] <AlohaWolf> does anyone know how to access the autoconfig script that is used to setup X during the install?
[06:10] <AlohaWolf> attitude,
[06:11] <attitude> DracosX: when i start it I can do ps - ef | grep gdesklets and I see the proc but it never displays anything
[06:11] <attitude> DracosX: even after 20 min
[06:11] <DracosX> have you loaded any displays?
[06:11] <shank_> does ubuntu have a net install?
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> sudo network-admin
[06:11] <AlohaWolf> attitude, can you send me a copy of your XF86Config-4, I cant seem to get 3D to work properly after playing with the ATI drivers, so now im trying to go back to the original one
[06:11] <attitude> DracosX: loaded a display?
[06:11] <DracosX> sudo apt-get install gdesklets-data
[06:11] <DracosX> then look under /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> i'm doing mine right now
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> wifi
[06:12] <attitude> AlohaWolf: Mine is using nvida
[06:12] <AlohaWolf> attitude, just so long as its the default one generated by the installer, I can fix that part
[06:14] <desp> crap
[06:15] <desp> can someone send me a fresh /etc/vnc.conf file?
[06:15] <desp> or will it regenerate automatically somehow?
[06:15] <bob2> please don't delete files from /etc, ever
[06:16] <desp> bob2: I promise.
[06:16] <desp> :D
[06:16] <bob2> now, dpkg -P vnc --force-depends ; apt-get install vnc
[06:17] <bob2> where "vnc" is the name of the package it came from
[06:17] <desp> aha
[06:17] <desp> thanks
[06:17] <Opiat3> ehlooo
[06:17] <encryptio> whoa, i'll ask again, just incase.
[06:17] <encryptio> Anyone on a ppc here?
[06:17] <desp> yeah
[06:17] <Opiat3> how can i boot to a terminal?
[06:17] <gloin_> sup all
[06:17] <attitude> DracosX: Sorry I got droped for some reason. I have already got the gdesklets-data and I can see the Displays
[06:17] <DracosX> ok
[06:17] <DracosX> right click on a display and go to open with
[06:17] <gloin_> so how the heck do I bring up the menu editor?
[06:17] <DracosX> type in gdesklets
[06:17] <gloin_> and also
[06:18] <Pizbit> gloin_: Right click in the sub menus
[06:18] <gloin_> how do I get the file browser to quit acting like Mac System 7?
[06:18] <DracosX> then just double click on any display to load it
[06:18] <bob2> encryptio: just ask your question
[06:18] <encryptio> i want to know how to do a firewire mount (lin/ppc)
[06:18] <gloin_> Pizbit: thanks
[06:18] <attitude> ok
[06:18] <bob2> encryptio: plug it in.  it should mount.
[06:18] <encryptio> it's not
[06:18] <attitude> DracosX: I do not get a display
[06:18] <Pizbit> gloin_: Do you mean change it to browser mode? Look in the preferences, always use browser I think it's called
[06:19] <gloin_> Pizbit: no, I mean when it's browsing files, I don't want it to open a new window everytime I open a folder
[06:19] <desp> gloin_: in preferences/behaviour select "always open in browser windows"
[06:19] <RageMax> oh crap, now the calendar app won't pull tasks from the evolution dataserver
[06:19] <gloin_> ok lol
[06:19] <gloin_> how do I get to "preferences?"
[06:19] <desp> open a browser window ;)
[06:19] <encryptio> bob2: i'm not sure what the /dev is, so I can't mount it manually.
[06:19] <bob2> gloin_: ctrl-l preferences:///
[06:19] <gloin_> ahh got it
[06:19] <gloin_> lol
[06:20] <bob2> or computer -> desktop preferences
[06:20] <attitude> DracosX: nothing opens on my screen at all when I type gdesklets in a term
[06:20] <bob2> encryptio: tail -f /var/log/messages
[06:20] <DracosX> it shouldn't
[06:20] <DracosX> that starts the gdesklets "service"
[06:20] <DracosX> you should open one of the directories under /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays
[06:21] <DracosX> then right click on the "whatever.display" file
[06:21] <DracosX> then go to open with
[06:21] <hectorvs> bob2, if i have a broken package how do i fix it?
[06:21] <DracosX> type in gdesklets
[06:21] <DracosX> :)
[06:21] <bob2> hectorvs: don't use hoary
[06:21] <hectorvs> bob2, im not
[06:21] <bob2> hectorvs: what packages are broken in warty?
[06:22] <encryptio> bob2: it says it's mounted, but there's no mountpoint in /media or /mnt or /
[06:22] <bob2> encryptio: what does "mount" say?
[06:22] <hectorvs> bob2, im installing packages outside the ubuntu repository, its guessnet
[06:22] <encryptio> mount what?
[06:23] <hectorvs> its marked with a red box, so i guess thats the one
[06:23] <bob2> hectorvs: talk to whoever made those packages.
[06:23] <bob2> encryptio: the command "mount"
[06:24] <encryptio> bob2: no entry there for any drive that the filesystem is hfsplus (which the drive is)
[06:25] <gloin_> well, if any devs are listening, aside from the annoyances of moving to gnome (which really does feel like it's about 10 years behind KDE), nice distro!  Very well executed!  Keep up the good work.  I appreciate seeing the posts on bugtraq as well - lets me know the dev team is interested in keeping up with things.
[06:25] <bob2> encryptio: there's a bug in hal (or pmount?) in warty where it won't mount ntfs partitions, maybe it affects hfs+ too
[06:25] <bob2> hahah 10 years behind.
[06:26] <gloin_> heh
[06:26] <gloin_> well
[06:26] <gloin_> it is horrid
[06:26] <gloin_> but the distro behind it makes it worthwhile
[06:26] <bob2> ojectively bad, right
[06:26] <desp> bob2: I'm mounting a hfs+ partition successfully
[06:26] <shank_> bob2: you enjoy fisher price interfaces?
[06:26] <shank_> oops
[06:26] <gloin_> LOL
[06:26] <shank_> gloin_ you enjoy fisher price interfaces?
[06:26] <bob2> encryptio: gloin_ so use KDE
[06:26] <gloin_> rofl
[06:26] <gloin_> well
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> shank_: no, that's Teletubbies
[06:26] <bob2> desp: yes, I know, but the automounting may be broken
[06:26] <gloin_> nomasteryoda: actually, Teletubbies is windows XP
[06:27] <bob2> encryptio: gloin_ it's in universe
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:27] <desp> ah
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:27] <encryptio> mm. there's a problem. it won't install. but no matter...
[06:27] <gloin_> bob2: it is?
[06:27] <gloin_> cool deal
[06:27] <DracosX> yeah
[06:27] <DracosX> sudo apt-get install kde
[06:27] <jdub> gloin_: gnome is not dumbed down. it just doesn't expect you to make it work properly yourself.
[06:27] <encryptio> bob2: how do i find out what /dev the drive is?
[06:27] <gloin_> lol
[06:27] <bob2> encryptio: /var/log/messages
[06:28] <encryptio> do'h
[06:28] <shank_> well, i give up on ubuntu
[06:28] <jdub> gloin_: why force the user into understanding fifty million different options, when you can make things 'just work'?
[06:28] <bob2> gnome won't be ready for the enterprise until it has a search box in it's control panel
[06:28] <encryptio> holy crap that's a long path...
[06:28] <bob2> shank_: that's a shame.  why?
[06:28] <gloin_> jdub: gnome is so sumbed down - I'd like to be able to customize my menubar without looking in obscure, counter-intuitive places, and don't get me started about the whole win95-style filebrowser
[06:28] <Pizbit> bob2: A search box... to search what?
[06:28] <shank_> bob2: can't get it installed
[06:28] <gloin_> s/sumbed/dumbed
[06:28] <shank_> bob2: did you use to be in the #debian channel?
[06:29] <bob2> Pizbit: the options, of course.
[06:29] <bob2> shank_: still am.
[06:29] <jdub> gloin_: the menu editing issue is well known; it's hidden because it doesn't work well.
[06:29] <Pizbit> bob2: gconf-editor ?:)
[06:29] <shank_> bob2: no bot here yet to request help from?
[06:29] <bob2> shank_: did you try the usual acpi=off, noapic sort of thing?
[06:29] <jdub> gloin_: the gtk+ 2.5 file browser is great.
[06:29] <shank_> bob2: yes
[06:29] <encryptio> bob2: the /device won't ever change, right?
[06:29] <shank_> it fails trying to fetch some pkg from the cd
[06:29] <bob2> shank_: not sure a bot would really help here, when there's so much work going ino the wiki and faq
[06:29] <shank_> and flashes the screen repeteadly
[06:29] <bob2> shank_: check the md5sum of the cd
[06:29] <jdub> Pizbit: it's a joke. kde has a search tool in its kontrol thingy
[06:29] <shank_> and f4 terminal shows md4sum
[06:29] <shank_> bob2: already did
[06:29] <shank_> its fin
[06:30] <bob2> encryptio: it can change on every plug, theoretically, but probably won't
[06:30] <shank_> bob2: also tried jigdo
[06:30] <shank_> but some packages are missing
[06:30] <Pizbit> jdub: I know, but it was the nearest I can think of.
[06:30] <shank_> doesn't exactly inspire confidence
[06:30] <bob2> shank_: you md5'd the cd itself?
[06:30] <encryptio> bob2: well, it doesn't matter, because it's gone...
[06:30] <shank_> bob2: not the cd itself
[06:30] <gloin_> ahh
[06:30] <jdub> shank_: there are no packages missing on the cd.
[06:30] <bob2> shank_: the cd has worked for literally tens of thousands of other people, it's extremely unlikely to be a bug in ubuntu.
[06:30] <shank_> jdub: um, i'm talking about jigdo
[06:30] <gloin_> well, like I said, the Gnome default is only an annoyance
[06:31] <gloin_> I'm impressed with the distro overall
[06:31] <encryptio> what's a "bad superblock"?
[06:31] <shank_> bob2: ok, i'll check the md5sum on the actual cd
[06:31] <bob2> shank_: check the md5sum of the iso you get, and the physical cd
[06:31] <shank_> bob2: i'm sure its prolly not worked for hundreds or thousands of ppl as well
[06:31] <jdub> gloin_: the distro is impressive because it was designed with some of the same objectives as gnome.
[06:31] <shank_> bob2: laready checked the iso
[06:31] <gloin_> jdub: ??
[06:32] <shank_> bob2: why offer the jigdo file if you can't use jigdo to construct the iso?
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> shank_: I had it fail on a new dell laptop
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> today
[06:32] <bob2> shank_: please don't get that attitude
[06:32] <ys> hey
[06:32] <gloin_> yeh
[06:32] <bob2> shank_: if the jigdo files are buggy, please file a bug and they will be fixed
[06:32] <nomasteryoda> but it was the dvd burner ... it didn't like the CD media
[06:32] <shank_> bob2: what attitude?
[06:32] <ys> i just installed ubuntu i was wondering if it's a good idea to apt-get kde.
[06:32] <gloin_> heh ys
[06:33] <gloin_> I'm doing that right now
[06:33] <jdub> ys: it works, but is unsupported.
[06:33] <gloin_> want to stick around a while I'll tell you how ti goes
[06:33] <gloin_> s/ti/it
[06:33] <nomasteryoda> ys... i did it too
[06:33] <nomasteryoda> worked fine
[06:33] <nomasteryoda> but much slower
[06:33] <gloin_> hmm
[06:33] <desp> the RestrictedFormats wiki says: "The following repository has packages for i386 only."  does anyone know if I can find pre-made ppc packages somewhere?
[06:33] <bob2> desp: yes, go to marillat's website
[06:34] <bob2> it has the ppc url
[06:34] <ys> nomasteryoda: how fast is your puter?
[06:34] <bob2> you will need to get one package from sid before mplayer can be installed, though
[06:34] <encryptio> bob2: when I try to mount /dev/sda (same drive according to /var/log/messages), it gives me "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, or too many..." etc. It's the right filesystem, it mounts on a mac, and the syntax is simple.
[06:34] <bob2> maybe I should have written that down
[06:34] <Pizbit> encryptio: /dev/sda1 ?
[06:34] <bob2> encryptio: erm, you don't have any partitions on that disk?
[06:34] <bob2> none at all?
[06:34] <encryptio> "/dev/sda1 doesn't exist"
[06:35] <encryptio> -_-
[06:35] <ys> if i apt-get kde from my school which is a debian server will that matter?
[06:35] <bob2> encryptio: erm, are you trying to mount a mac disk on a pc?
[06:35] <Pizbit> ys: Why not get it from universe?
[06:35] <gloin_> WOW!  I'm getting insanely fast downloads from the apt repository!  LIke a meg/sec!
[06:35] <bob2> ys: use ubuntu's universe repository
[06:35] <encryptio> bob2: linux/ppc ubuntu mounting a mac drive. short: no.
[06:35] <ys> because if i get it from my uni then i don't use my limited bandwidth
[06:35] <ys> ofcourse :)
[06:36] <desp> bob2: thanks again
[06:36] <gloin_> man
[06:36] <encryptio> bob2: it worked (after tweaking) in YDL fine
[06:36] <gloin_> this totally rocks
[06:36] <bob2> ys: debian's kde packages probably won't install on warty
[06:36] <bob2> ys: and if they do, you're totally on your own
[06:37] <gloin_> anyone know of a way to get evolution2 to display the number of unreads in the titlebar the way it did in 1.x?
[06:38] <ys> how large is KDE?
[06:39] <gloin_> ys:
[06:39] <gloin_> big
[06:39] <gloin_> but depending on where you are, the apt repository is FAST
[06:39] <encryptio> ys: about 75MB binary, in my experience
[06:39] <gloin_> rutgers, it should only take about 4-5 minutes to download
[06:39] <encryptio> 120mb for the whole thing
[06:40] <DracosX> 1346KB/s here
[06:40] <DracosX> it is quick tonight
[06:40] <gloin_> truly impressive
[06:41] <encryptio> bob2: "sda: unsupported sector size 12." in /var/log/messages?
[06:42] <encryptio> bob2: "SCSI device sda: 0 12-byte hdwe sectors (0 MB)"
[06:42] <gloin_> well
[06:42] <gloin_> I'll bbl for sure
[06:43] <bob2> encryptio: erm, that's odd
[06:43] <encryptio> bob2: and then many "HFS+-fs: unable to find HFS+ superblock" (?)
[06:43] <hectorvs> we need something like expos for gnome =p
[06:43] <encryptio> that'd be so cool. we need ctrl-click = right-click too...
[06:44] <bob2> hectorvs: it exists
[06:44] <bob2> encryptio: I don't know, sorry.  try asking on the list.
[06:44] <desp> does anyone knows how to map my fourth and fifth mouse buttons to some actions?
[06:44] <nomasteryoda> lol... Maddog Hall ... "Programmers are from Mars: Users and Managers are from Uranus" ... LOL
[06:45] <hectorvs> bob2, name?
[06:45] <bob2> hectorvs: expocity or something stupid like that
[06:46] <hectorvs> hmm
[06:46] <hectorvs> ill look it up
[06:46] <bob2> it needs x.org, tho
[06:46] <jdub> not useful at the moment
[06:46] <bob2> and xcompmgr
[06:46] <ys> what version of kde does the universe have?
[06:46] <ys> 3.3.1?
[06:46] <hectorvs> bah.... maybe in hoary
[06:46] <jdub> 3.1.2
[06:47] <ys> :/
[06:47] <ys> obso1337
[06:47] <jdub> bob2: naw, just needs xcomposite. xcompmgr is the standalone composite manager :)
[06:47] <jdub> warty froze in late june
[06:47] <bob2> jdub: ah
[06:50] <ys> where's the document that has the address for apt-get?
[06:50] <desp> synaptic crashes when I try to choose a custom terminal wont :/
[06:50] <desp> s/wont/font/
[06:51] <bob2> please file a bug
[06:51] <encryptio> you mean /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[06:51] <bob2> ys: /etc/apt/sou	
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> should there be an wlan/ath_pci and ath_hal/ath_pci loaded
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> with my wireless?
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> i have all the right settings, but it just will not talk
[06:52] <bob2> is it loaded?
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> ye
[06:53] <AlohaWolf> can anyone send me a copy of their CF86Config-4 File, preferably one that has been unmodified since install
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> lsmod ... ath_pci    50724 0 ... wlan 105564 2 ath_pci ...
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> and hal and yenta
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> odd
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> same card works in suse
[06:53] <nomasteryoda> on same laptop
[06:54] <nomasteryoda> dmesg says ath0: no IPv6 routers present
[06:54] <nomasteryoda> is that a problem
[06:54] <bob2> AlohaWolf: why?
[06:54] <shank_> nomasteryoda: shouldn't be, unless your on a ipv6 network
[06:54] <bob2> nomasteryoda: does "ifconfig -a" have ath0 listed?
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> yup
[06:55] <AlohaWolf> bob2, because im having an issue, the xf86config installer doesnt seem to generate the same file that the installer does
[06:55] <bob2> then you just need to configure it
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:55] <bob2> AlohaWolf: um, don't use xf86config at all
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> will try again .. manuall this time
[06:55] <AlohaWolf> bob2, any Idea's then?
[06:56] <bob2> AlohaWolf: what are you trying to do?
[06:56] <encryptio> alohawolf: i've stolen many a xf86configs from knoppix when they work, but that might not work for ubuntu.
[06:57] <AlohaWolf> bob2, im trying to get the 3D rendering working like it was when I installed
[06:57] <bob2> AlohaWolf: erm, why was the config modified to begin with then?
[06:57] <New-B> hi guys....i have a newbie question :)  ....I've jsut installed ubuntu -warty, but i dont know how to load into it...i get a command prompt and all I can really do is logon using my username and password...any suggestion? :)
[06:58] <encryptio> type "startx" and see what happens.
[06:58] <bob2> New-B: the default install logs you into X
[06:58] <desp> hmm
[06:58] <New-B> tried that
[06:58] <New-B> i tried startx....nothing happened
[06:58] <Pizbit> New-B: /etc/init.d/gdm start  ?
[06:58] <encryptio> it just came back to a prompt without any messages at all?
[06:58] <AlohaWolf> bob2, because I tried to use the ATI driver instead of the one that is packaged, and it performs worse then the one that comes with the machine
[06:59] <DracosX> less /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[06:59] <bob2> AlohaWolf: and you didn't back it up?
[06:59] <AlohaWolf> bob2, if I had backed it up do you think I would be asking for help right now?
[06:59] <desp> bob2: the mplayer-g4 package requires newer versions of certain libraries (libartsc0, libggi2, libungif4g) than what synaptic installed
[06:59] <bob2> desp: it only required one for me
[07:00] <New-B> encryption: it gave me an error message, which i cant remember..im not infront of that PC now.   I'll try /etc/init.d/gdm start and see what happens...thanks guys
[07:01] <desp> is there a simple way to get those newer versions installed?  I assume they're available in the unstable tree
[07:01] <encryptio> bob2: synaptic doesn't work for me. i get a blank list. everything else seems good, but the list is blank. I go to Settings>Preferences>Columns and Fonts, and see nothing's checked. I check them. I click "Apply" and "OK". They uncheck themselves.
[07:01] <bob2> desp: not without moving to hoary
[07:02] <bob2> desp: or building it from source
[07:02] <bob2> that would kind of work
[07:02] <desp> encryptio: I had the same problem, then I dumped the synaptic configuration file
[07:02] <bob2> encryptio: I've never used synaptic
[07:02] <bob2> file a bug
[07:02] <encryptio> desp: where?
[07:02] <desp>  /root/.synaptic
[07:02] <encryptio> i've never used an apt-based _linux_ before..
[07:03] <bob2> synaptic has little to do with apt
[07:03] <encryptio> ...
[07:03] <bob2> most of it's problems are general Big GTK App problems
[07:03] <AlohaWolf> can anyone send me a copy of their CF86Config-4 File, preferably one that has been unmodified since install?
[07:03] <desp> this is getting a little frustrating
[07:03] <desp> installing mplayer under gentoo was an one liner
[07:03] <bob2> AlohaWolf: that will not help you
[07:03] <encryptio> thanks, it's back, desp.
[07:03] <bob2> desp: then use gentoo
[07:03] <desp> np
[07:04] <bob2> or fix this
[07:04] <desp> bob2: I thought ubuntu would be more user friendly
[07:04] <AlohaWolf> bob2, it will help me see what im messing
[07:04] <bob2> it's not very hard and everyone else will benefit
[07:04] <AlohaWolf> desp, its not ubuntu thats not freindly its some of the people trying to be helpfull
[07:04] <bob2> AlohaWolf: a) don't ever fuck your config file deliberately. b) dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xfree86 ; apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[07:05] <desp> AlohaWolf: ...?
[07:05] <bob2> desp: it is user-friendly, complain to the idiot corporations that prevent use from distributing mplayer
[07:05] <Pizbit> Anyone know if there's a TV like icon somewhere in an ubuntu install?:)
[07:05] <bob2> desp: someone needs to make mplayer build on ppc warty.  someone made it work on gentoo for you already, and someone did it on ppc/sid.
[07:05] <AlohaWolf> desp, go get mplayer source and build it yourself
[07:06] <bob2> AlohaWolf: how does that help?
[07:06] <bob2> the libraries aren't built for warty, either
[07:06] <desp> bob2: unfortunately I know far too little of linux to be doing this.  I did submit a few patches for stuff I fixed for myself on gentoo, though
[07:06] <encryptio> whoa... just loaded 3ddesktop.. kewl.
[07:08] <encryptio> is ubuntu metacity or sawfish by default?
[07:09] <bob2> metacity
[07:10] <mercurus> hmm ... I KNOW I've seen the answer to this question, but I can't find it ...
[07:11] <encryptio> anyone kave experience with 3ddesktop?
[07:11] <encryptio> have
[07:11] <mercurus> I've downloaded a bucket-load of packages to this machine which are archived on the HDD
[07:11] <bob2> encryptio: you've been in here a while
[07:11] <bob2> mercurus: ha
[07:11] <bob2> encryptio: have you noticed how annoying it is when people ask to ask a question, instead of just asking it?
[07:11] <mercurus> how do I generate the files required to make it a repository, so that I can point other machines to it to update ?
[07:12] <encryptio> ah yes, i'll stop that... ._.
[07:12] <bob2> dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null > Packages
[07:12] <ys> why can't i download KDE?
[07:12] <mercurus> bob2: ah ... and after that, I point other machines to: 192.168.0.11 warty ?
[07:12] <encryptio> in 3ddesktop, how do I fix the "get property WIN_WORKSPACE failed - setting one" error?
[07:12] <mercurus> packages are under /var/cache/apt/
[07:13] <bob2> ys: please read the smart qyestions faq
[07:13] <ys> right...
[07:13] <bob2> mercurus: well, you publish them somewhere with apache or whatever
[07:13] <ys> ok let me clarify
[07:13] <bob2> ys: or just ask a question we can answer
[07:13] <Adrenal> whoa
[07:13] <Adrenal> ubuntu rocks
[07:13] <ys> i'm trying to install kde3 from rutgers.edu server but it's giving me dependency errors
[07:13] <Adrenal> but how do i update gaim?
[07:14] <encryptio> apt-get upgrade gaim?
[07:14] <Adrenal> cheers
[07:14] <bob2> ys: this is a ubuntu archive, right?
[07:14] <bob2> encryptio: no, that does nothing
[07:14] <bob2> Adrenal: gaim in warty will not change
[07:14] <ys> it's debian, but the KDE is straight from KDE
[07:14] <desp> encryptio: how did you use 3ddesktop?
[07:14] <ys> not patched for debian
[07:15] <Adrenal> kk
[07:15] <bob2> ys: come on
[07:15] <desp> I mean -- encryptio: what did you do after installing it?
[07:15] <Adrenal> thanks
[07:15] <ys> ??
[07:15] <ys> hit me with some knowledge
[07:15] <encryptio> desp: I installed it, and i read the readme to get it running. (3ddesk --aquire, then 3ddesk)
[07:15] <Pizbit> ys: You're best getting it from universe
[07:15] <ys> it's 3.1
[07:15] <desp> heh. the readme. right, I am silly
[07:15] <ys> i want 3.3
[07:15] <bob2> ys: I told you not to do that
[07:16] <Pizbit> I thought it was 3.2 in universe?
[07:16] <bob2> ys: and that if you broke, you were on your own
[07:16] <bob2> so, now you get to keep both pieces
[07:16] <bob2> use the version from universe, pleeeeeease
[07:16] <ys> it's 3.2?
[07:17] <bob2> I have no idea
[07:17] <ys> how can i check?
[07:17] <Pizbit> Look in synaptic
[07:17] <mercurus> bob2: I need to run an httpd ... given this is purely LAN based ... can I not use NFS ?
[07:17] <jdub> the version from warty universe is not 3.2
[07:17] <ys> it just says kde desktop enviornmeny
[07:17] <bob2> w
[07:17] <Pizbit> Nah, looks like 3.1 (apt-cache show)
[07:17] <ys> jdub what version is it?
[07:17] <bob2> it's 3.1.2
[07:17] <AlohaWolf> bob2 thanks
[07:17] <jdub> $ apt-cache show kde-core | grep ^Version
[07:17] <jdub> Version: 4:3.1.2
[07:17] <bob2> mercurus: if you like
[07:17] <ys> 3.1.2 is old
[07:17] <mercurus> eg. remotely mount the /var/cache/apt/archives directory complete with a generated Packages file and point it there ?
[07:18] <encryptio> i'm showing 3.2.1 and 3.2.3 packages for kde
[07:18] <bob2> encryptio: are you using warty?
[07:18] <bob2> mercurus: erm, I guess so
[07:18] <bob2> mercurus: wait, no, don't do that
[07:18] <bob2> mercurus: copy them elsewhere and share that
[07:18] <encryptio> bob2: i think so, it's the release, right?
[07:18] <bob2> encryptio: apt-cache show kde-core | grep ^Version
[07:19] <desp> okay...I launched 3ddesktop and my monitor went into overdrive :P
[07:19] <desp> I had to kill the X server
[07:19] <encryptio> bob2: i just looked at the list of packages in synaptic now that i have it working
[07:20] <desp> so...obviously I have something set up incorrectly
[07:20] <ys> right
[07:20] <ys> i'm off to bed
[07:20] <ys> night all
[07:20] <desp> any ideas?
[07:20] <mercurus> bob2: symlink acceptable or need to move them ?
[07:21] <ys> i'm going to wait till 3.3.1 is updated on the server
[07:21] <ys> i'm fine with gnomer
[07:22] <bob2> encryptio: so use it
[07:22] <bob2> ys[bed] : 3.3.1 will never be in warty
[07:22] <theBishop> the installer isn't working for me
[07:23] <theBishop> it only detects the main HD
[07:23] <theBishop> which has partitions i don't want to delete
[07:23] <theBishop> it doesn't find the free space
[07:23] <bob2> please ask on the list
[07:23] <theBishop> so there's no solution?
[07:23] <ys[bed] > :
[07:23] <ys[bed] > :
[07:23] <encryptio> bob2: "Package k3b is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may bean that the package is missing" etc. "E: Package k3b has no installation canidate"
[07:23] <bob2> why do you say that?
[07:23] <bob2> encryptio: it's in universe.
[07:23] <desp> can someone tell me where should I setup my monitor resolution/refresh modes?
[07:24] <theBishop> i'm asking
[07:24] <hypa7ia> theBishop: not necessarily, but that's kind of a big issue and it's be useful to ask on the list :-)
[07:24] <theBishop> what's this cannel for if not help?
[07:24] <bob2> theBishop: I'm sure there is a solution, but I don't know it and I doubt anyone else does
[07:24] <bob2> here
[07:24] <hypa7ia> if it's asked on the list it gets documented immediately as well
[07:24] <bob2> on the list you can get help from hopefully the installer team
[07:24] <hypa7ia> and i don't have a clue either :-)
[07:24] <hypa7ia> does knoppix or anything see it?
[07:24] <encryptio> bob2: i only have k3b-i18n (language files) in apt.
[07:25] <encryptio> bob2: i have universe and multiverse enabled.
[07:25] <bob2> encryptio: ok, but k3b is universe.
[07:25] <bob2> encryptio: you're using hoary?
[07:25] <encryptio> i don't see it anywhere in my apt.. could be that stupid bug again.
[07:26] <encryptio> hoary? i don't think so.. i don't know what it is.
[07:26] <mercurus> theBishop: you may have to pass kernel options when you boot the installer ... press F1 when it boots up
[07:26] <encryptio> the dev ubuntu?
[07:26] <bob2> encryptio: the development branch, yes
[07:26] <desp> hmm.
[07:26] <encryptio> nope, warty.
[07:27] <hypa7ia> theBishop: did you have any luck seeing the drive with any livecd distros?
[07:27] <desp> can someone tell me how to let linux know that I want to use only a few certain display modes, such as 1024x768@85Hz?
[07:27] <desp> and to make it use only those modes, and not try any other ones?
[07:28] <crimsun> desp: only specify 85 for VertRefresh and only specify 1024x768 as a Mode
[07:29] <desp> crimsun: aight, but specify -- how? where?
[07:29] <encryptio> stupid bug.. i don't see trackballs either..
[07:30] <hypa7ia> desp: try running sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:30] <hypa7ia> abd walk through that
[07:30] <hypa7ia> did i get the command right anyone?
[07:32] <hacked`> guys
[07:33] <hacked`> how can i tell what wireless driver im using?
[07:33] <hypa7ia> lsmod maybe hacked`?
[07:33] <hacked`> says
[07:33] <hacked`> orinoco, orinoco_cs, hermes
[07:33] <hacked`> dont know which one of those
[07:34] <crimsun> orinoco-based
[07:34] <hacked`> k
[07:34] <hacked`> what version of orinoco
[07:34] <hacked`> cause i have to patch it
[07:34] <hacked`> in order to set it to monitor mode
[07:34] <crimsun> desp: you can use the dpkg-reconfigure command as hypa7ia suggested, or manually edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:35] <c7_> hi, i'm trying to run doom but when i try to run the game it says "+set tty to 0 to disable"
[07:35] <c7_> how do i set tty = 0?
[07:36] <encryptio> correct me if i'm wrong.. ctrl-alt-f2? then ctrl-alt-f7 to go back?
[07:37] <hacked`> what version of the wireless driver do i have guys
[07:38] <sAlTaIr> hi all anyone who install ubuntu to usb hd success
[07:38] <hypa7ia> gimme a sec hacked`- i'm running the same drivers so i'll have a look :-)
[07:38] <hacked`> thanks hypa
[07:38] <hypa7ia> no problemo :-)
[07:39] <desp> well, I did the dpkg-reconfigure, but I don't see any difference in the Screen Resolution panel in gnome -- it still doesn't know that my monitor can run 640x480@120Hz, for instance
[07:40] <encryptio> isn't that what you wanted?
[07:40] <desp> I want to be able to use these modes: 640x480@120Hz, 800x600@100Hz, 1024x768@85Hz. none other.
[07:40] <encryptio> whoa! usb thumbdrive plug@play! i'm impressed.
[07:41] <desp> I can't seem to find a way to specify a refresh rate and a resolution at the same time in the xfree86 config file
[07:41] <hypa7ia> yeah, i've been so totally impressed with the automounting
[07:41] <sAlTaIr> i install ubuntu to my 8G usb hd but cant boot from it
[07:41] <hypa7ia> hacked`: i totally can't figure out how to find the driver versions :-(
[07:42] <encryptio> sAlTaIr, there aren't any usb firmware (bios) drivers.
[07:42] <sAlTaIr> encryptio,  grub >
[07:42] <hacked`> hypa, how did you get it in monitor mode
[07:43] <sAlTaIr> i think must rebuild kernel
[07:43] <encryptio> sAlTaIr, still, it's unlikely that you'll find any usb drivers for a bootloader.
[07:43] <hypa7ia> hacked`: i haven't tried yet... it's low on the priority list :-(
[07:45] <desp> crimsun: help!
[07:46] <crimsun> desp: you can constrain them using specific Modes
[07:46] <desp> crimsun: I specified 85,100,120 as VertRefresh, which helped as far as getting rid of all the modes with refresh rates lower than 85. still, I can't access the higher ones
[07:47] <crimsun> Modes "1024x768@85" "800x600@100" "640x480@120"
[07:47] <crimsun> if you use that syntax, you'll need to reset VertRefresh to the full range
[07:47] <crimsun> or use 85-120
[07:48] <crimsun> (not really here, cooking spaghetti)
[07:51] <robertj> okay, i'm formally on the adict train now
[07:51] <robertj> It's 2 am and I've got third party and houry sources in my list ;)
[07:52] <hypa7ia> heheh, nice robertj :-)
[07:52] <mercurus> hmm ...
[07:52] <mercurus> I don't want to install mplayer (I already have totem-xine working nicely) but I would like plugin support with mozilla ... any thoughts ?
[07:53] <hypa7ia> mozpugger?
[07:53] <mercurus> there's a fedora core package, but even once run through alien and installed no joy
[07:53] <mercurus> mozplugger is installed, but doesn't include multimedia stuff
[07:53] <mercurus> ie. no totem link
[07:53] <hypa7ia> durn
[07:54] <hypa7ia> no clue, elseways
[07:54] <mercurus> obviously someone has begun writing a plugin for mozilla to link the two ... but I can't find src nor cvs ... only the fedora package
[07:54] <hypa7ia> le boo.  what's it called?
[07:54] <Tsjoklat> mercurus does your totem-xine play .avi?
[07:55] <mercurus> Tsjoklat: haven't tested it ...
[07:55] <mercurus> but I'm trying to play wmvs ...
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> I am a bit reluctant to install mplayer
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> too much choice
[07:55] <mercurus> Tsjoklat: I figure I have a working player that is integrated into Ubuntu ... all I need is the glue to attach it to firefox
[07:56] <hypa7ia> weird eh encryptio?
[07:57] <encryptio> kinda
[07:57] <Tsjoklat> mercurus makes sense
[07:57] <New-B> hi guys...I still cant load into ubuntu.  startx returns "command not found", and /etc/init.d/gdm start returns "No such file or directory"
[07:57] <Tsjoklat> the new firefox can't keep pages loaded mmm
[07:57] <Tsjoklat> mercurus are you using hoary?
[07:57] <encryptio> i'm doing an experiment for myself to see if I can use linux as my main os for 3 weeks
[07:57] <bob2> New-B: you did a default install of ubuntu, right?
[07:57] <New-B> bob2 yes i did
[07:58] <mercurus> Tsjoklat: not yet ... up to date Warty though
[07:58] <bob2> New-B: then something is very very wrong
[07:58] <New-B> bob2: do u think it worth a reinstall?
[07:58] <Tsjoklat> ah okay trying to find someone that is on hoary
[07:58] <Tsjoklat> to test something out for me
[07:59] <bob2> New-B: what does "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1 | awk '{ print $3}'" print out?
[07:59] <bob2> Tsjoklat: just ask your question
[07:59] <Tsjoklat> bob2 I upgraded to hoary and can not drag files into the trash applet anymore
[08:00] <desp> okay, I screwed up the XF86Config-4 file, and restarted X
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> was wondering if anyone else has this 'issue'
[08:00] <hypa7ia> encryptio: i'm doing a similar thing... it's been a month so far :-)
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> wouldn't call it a problem
[08:00] <bob2> Tsjoklat: if someone had noticed, hopefully they'd have reported it to the BTS
[08:00] <New-B> bob2: 2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2
[08:00] <desp> I got told that GDM is disabled for now, until I fix the XF86Config-4 file.  I fixed it.  how do I reenable GDM?
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> I am starting to feel that I am the only one
[08:00] <sAlTaIr> apt-get update -> Temporary failure resolving 'archive.ubuntu.com'
[08:01] <encryptio> set up your dns servers right?
[08:01] <DracosX> desp: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:02] <bob2> Tsjoklat: erm, so you checked the BTS and no one else has reported it?
[08:03] <Tsjoklat> no
[08:03] <Tsjoklat> I can't find it, no
[08:03] <bob2> Tsjoklat: so why don't you report it?
[08:04] <desp> DracosX: thanks
[08:04] <Tsjoklat> I posted it on the forums in hope that someone has the same problem
[08:04] <DracosX> quite welcome ;)
[08:04] <bob2> Tsjoklat: erm, bugzilla is where people capable of fixing bugs will be looking
[08:04] <bob2> the forums are sometimes a bit of the blind leading the blind
[08:05] <Tsjoklat> well bob2 to tell you the truth I have no idea how to do it
[08:05] <bob2> go to bugzilla.ubuntu.com, make an account (yes, it sucks), report the bug
[08:06] <sAlTaIr> encryptio, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main
[08:07] <encryptio> eh?
[08:07] <bob2> sAlTaIr: how do you connect to the internet?
[08:07] <Jaramin> Little probelm with Hoary, maybe someone can help. When I go into menus that ask for my password (anything you have to sudo for actually), it asks me again when I close the window. If I reenter it, it reopens it. Just weird.
[08:07] <bob2> Jaramin: please file a bug
[08:07] <bob2> (if no one else has)
[08:07] <Tsjoklat> ah seb was so kind to file it for me
[08:07] <desp> okay...
[08:08] <redemption> Hey
[08:08] <desp> "glXIsDirect failed, no Direct Rendering possible!" "3ddeskd: Please configure hardware acceleration.  Exiting."
[08:08] <encryptio> what's the difference between "deb ht...warty main restricted" and "deb ht...warty main"?
[08:08] <Jaramin> bob2: I'll check, but I wanted to know if anyone else had the same problem here
[08:08] <desp> any ideas?
[08:09] <encryptio> desp: glxgears works?
[08:09] <encryptio> quickly?
[08:09] <hypa7ia> encryptio: restricted = non-Free, but supported by the decels
[08:09] <hypa7ia> err devels
[08:09] <bob2> encryptio: main and restricted are different sections of the archive
[08:09] <encryptio> whoa.. i don't have "warty main"... that's a problem, right?
[08:10] <desp> encryptio: "357 frames in 7.0 seconds = 51.000 FPS"
[08:10] <bob2> we can't guess what your sources.list line looks like
[08:10] <encryptio> slow as hell...
[08:10] <bob2> you'd have to show us
[08:10] <encryptio> bob2: it's the cdrom.
[08:10] <hypa7ia> encryptio: yes, quite possibly
[08:10] <bob2> encryptio: again, we can't guess
[08:10] <sAlTaIr> bob2, i connect to internel by GPRS
[08:10] <sAlTaIr> hoho
[08:10] <bob2> the cdrom sources.list lines have a slightly different format
[08:10] <desp> bob2: do you know if I can get hardware acceleration on ppc with an ATI Radeon 7000?
[08:10] <bob2> sAlTaIr: is your network connection working at all?
[08:11] <bob2> desp: no.
[08:11] <sAlTaIr> yes
[08:11] <desp> argh, why not?
[08:11] <encryptio> bob2: "deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview powerpc Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted "
[08:11] <bob2> desp: because I'venever needed to know if it's supported or not
[08:11] <bob2> encryptio: that is fine
[08:11] <desp> ah, so you don't know. okay
[08:11] <bob2> sAlTaIr: what does "host archive.ubuntu.com" say?
[08:12] <bob2> desp: that's what I said
[08:12] <desp> yeah, I parsed it wrong
[08:12] <encryptio> is it ok to change that to the archive.ubuntu.com warty main?
[08:12] <bob2> encryptio: for the cd? no.
[08:12] <bob2> encryptio: if you want to use the internet mirrors, just uncomment the existing lines for them
[08:13] <encryptio> do i need "warty main" alongside "warty main restricted"?
[08:13] <bob2> where?
[08:13] <desp> jesus farking christ, I don't even know what to do to "set up hardware acceleration"
[08:14] <hypa7ia> desp: ATI?
[08:14] <encryptio> bob2: /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:14] <desp> ATI Radeon 7000
[08:14] <hypa7ia> i can walk you through it if it's ATI because i need to get mine going
[08:14] <bob2> encryptio: you keep asking vague questions without giving usany information
[08:14] <bob2> encryptio: if you want comments on your sources.list, put it online or paste it to #flood
[08:14] <desp> hypa7ia: a push in the right direction should be enough
[08:16] <encryptio> bob2: http://interweb.us/~encryptio/sources.list.txt
[08:17] <encryptio> do i need a line like "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main"?
[08:18] <sAlTaIr> no service could be reached
[08:18] <sAlTaIr> ft
[08:18] <bob2> encryptio: that's fine
[08:18] <hypa7ia> desp: have you had a look at the howto here?
[08:18] <hypa7ia> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:18] <bob2> sAlTaIr: your dns setup is broken
[08:19] <bob2> hypa7ia: are you *sure* you need firegl for acceleration on a radeon 7000?
[08:19] <encryptio> that's fine as in "it's fine, you can add it" or that's fine as in "the file is fine as it is"
[08:19] <encryptio> i'm just trying to make sure
[08:19] <hypa7ia> bob2: it's in the first 4 lines of the howto, yes
[08:20] <bob2> encryptio: it's fine
[08:20] <bob2> randomly changing it will serve no purpose
[08:20] <encryptio> allrighty then.
[08:21] <desp> hypa7ia: is the firegl driver even available for ppc?
[08:21] <GammaRay> anyone know of a way to change the kde theme w/out installing all of kde?
[08:21] <hypa7ia> oh shit desp, i don't know
[08:21] <GammaRay> sorta like gtk-theme-switch
[08:21] <desp> apt-get can't find the package listed in the howto
[08:22] <bob2> desp: no, it's not
[08:22] <desp> awesome.
[08:24] <gloin_> well
[08:24] <gloin_> KDE rocks on ubuntu =] 
[08:25] <gloin_> a few apps not integrated, but no big
[08:28] <gloin_> ok, dumb question time - How do I install .dep packages of particular apps that I really want? (understanding, of course, that they are not supported)
[08:28] <bob2> .deb, you mean
[08:28] <bob2> sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[08:28] <gloin_> err, yeah
[08:28] <gloin_> thx
[08:29] <bob2> which may or may not work for random .debs
[08:29] <gloin_> it'll either work or it won't
[08:29] <desp> heh
[08:30] <gloin_> it works =] 
[08:30] <gloin_> flawlessly
[08:30] <Burgundavia> gloin_: better to search for it in repos before downloading something
[08:30] <gloin_> Burgundavia: cedega?
[08:30] <gloin_> something tells me it's not in the universe
[08:31] <bob2> it would be if transgaming weren't such asshats
[08:31] <bob2> well, multiverse
[08:31] <gloin_> hehe
[08:31] <gloin_> poor bob
[08:31] <gloin_> anyhow
[08:31] <lao> does anybody know, how to change resollution ?
[08:31] <bob2> poor me?  you're the one who wants it.
[08:31] <Burgundavia> transgaming are aholes
[08:31] <gloin_> transgaming, asshats or not, produce a .dep package, and I can report here that it does work
[08:31] <bob2> gloin_: how much did it cost you?
[08:32] <Burgundavia> I feel ashamed that they are Canadian
[08:32] <bob2> ah, so you pirated it
[08:32] <bob2> classey
[08:32] <gloin_> negative
[08:32] <Pizbit> lao: Computer -> System Configureation -> Screen Resolution
[08:32] <Burgundavia> lao: system configuration --> screen resolution
[08:32] <gloin_> I have a legal license, thanks.
[08:33] <desp> jeez
[08:33] <gloin_> bob2: but thanks for trying to lay that trap for me
[08:33] <desp> so in order to have DRI, it seems that I must have X set to use fbdev
[08:33] <lao> thanx
[08:33] <desp> and VertRefresh needs to be given as a range: 85-120
[08:34] <desp> but then, when I launch 3ddeskd, it immediately chooses a mode that my monitor doesn't support
[08:35] <encryptio> hmm
[08:35] <encryptio> do you have mesa loaded?
[08:35] <desp> even though I specified in the Modes section only three modes that my monitor definitely supports
[08:35] <desp> how do I check that?
[08:35] <encryptio> dunno
[08:35] <bob2> you don't need to "load mesa"
[08:36] <desp> yeah, it doesn't seem to be a requirement for fucking choosing a correct resolution/refresh mode
[08:36] <sAlTaIr> bob2, i change my resolv.conf , work now, 3x
[08:36] <bob2> sAlTaIr: cool
[08:36] <encryptio> desp: it's trying to switch to 3d mode.
[08:36] <sAlTaIr> sorry 4 my poor english
[08:36] <desp> encryptio: my monitor can onyl display 2d images, afaik.
[08:36] <sAlTaIr> hoho
[08:37] <encryptio> desp: probably the videocard screwing around rather than your monitro
[08:37] <Lord_Viper> Does the ATI 3D driver cover the Ati Rage M4 chips?
[08:37] <hypa7ia> Lord_Viper: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:37] <hypa7ia> i don't think so
[08:40] <encryptio> anyone know why oggs play 2x faster when outputting to alsa rather than oss? (xmms)
[08:40] <Tsjoklat> hey weasello :)
[08:40] <weasello> I'm about to install Ubuntu and I hate jerks and like friendlies. Will I regret this? :)
[08:41] <Tsjoklat> lol
[08:41] <hypa7ia> weasello: there are many friendlies here :-)
[08:41] <hypa7ia> even if some (me) don't know too much
[08:42] <GammaRay> I just installed something w/ a whole lot of deps. Is there anyway to remove it and all the deps?
[08:42] <bob2> GammaRay: debfoster
[08:42] <bob2> GammaRay: in future, use aptitude
[08:42] <GammaRay> bob2: hard to do over ssh :-P
[08:42] <bob2> GammaRay: aptitude is trivial to use over ssh
[08:42] <encryptio> aptitude=terminal app
[08:42] <|trey|> weasello, well, if you do experiance such problems, there are structures in place to report it and have it sorted out correctly  :)
[08:43] <Tsjoklat> not only are they nice in here but we have trey.. our own channel hunk
[08:43] <bob2> hunk of what?
[08:43] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, 8)
[08:43] <Tsjoklat> <-- Trey's cheerleader
[08:43] <Tsjoklat> hunk of gorgeous male
[08:43] <GammaRay> bob2: I'm I missing the cmdline version or something?
[08:44] <hypa7ia> hahaha so okay, i think we are already the mac of linux
[08:44] <hypa7ia> i got totally laughed at today at the 2600 meet
[08:44] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, you better not have a penis, else this is where I get scared and make up an excuse to find something else to do  ;)
[08:44] <bob2> GammaRay: yes.
[08:44] <GammaRay> using X apps over ssh in my situation is a pain
[08:44] <Tsjoklat> no way trey!
[08:44] <Tsjoklat> gawd
[08:44] <bob2> GammaRay: are you confusing it with synaptic?
[08:44] <hypa7ia> everyone was like, har har ubuntu, gentoo is TEH R0X0R
[08:44] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, k good, now I am not so worried  8)
[08:44] <bob2> gentoo users are notoriously irritating like that
[08:44] <GammaRay> bob2: yes I am
[08:44] <hypa7ia> i'm like, WTF ever, it actually works in less than 3 DAYS
[08:44] <hypa7ia> :-)
[08:45] <Tsjoklat> I would pull me knickers down but kinda hard to dcc that
[08:45] <bob2> GammaRay: ah
[08:45] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: no digicam? :P
[08:45] <Tsjoklat> not working in ubu :P
[08:45] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, whoa, way too much info  ;)
[08:45] <Tsjoklat> fix it trey! LOL
[08:45] <GammaRay> bob2: thanks.. I'm new at this debian thing
[08:45] <bob2> GammaRay: ah
[08:45] <Tsjoklat> how is that trey? I haven't showed you anything.. yet hahah
[08:45] <Tsjoklat> I got a cam but ubu does not like it
[08:45] <Tsjoklat> keeps puking it out
[08:46] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, mainly cuz easy chicks are no fun... *nods*
[08:46] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: what kind of cam?
[08:46] <weasello> Anyone here know of a way to install Ubuntu on my system here? I don't have a CD burner, grr
[08:46] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks :)
[08:46] <Tsjoklat> a very crapy Logitech
[08:46] <Tsjoklat> and yes I tried the Philips drivers
[08:46] <Tsjoklat> and yes qusb
[08:46] <Tsjoklat> and yes loads of other things
[08:46] <bob2> weasello: you can pxe it
[08:46] <Treenaks> and yes, it's b0rken ;)
[08:46] <Tsjoklat> and yes it is :)
[08:47] <hypa7ia> bob2: pxe?
[08:47] <|trey|> weasello, its possible to install from a partition on the harddrive... not entirely sure how to go about it though  :(
[08:47] <Tsjoklat> I did hoary Treenaks...
[08:47] <bob2> hypa7ia: network booting
[08:47] <Tsjoklat> and I need you to test something out Treenaks lol
[08:47] <hypa7ia> ahh, thanka
[08:47] <weasello> bob2: how would I go about that? :)
[08:47] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: *looks at BOFH excuse calendar* the problem is cosmic rays.
[08:47] <Tsjoklat> help your fellow Dutch person out
[08:47] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: uhh. ok
[08:47] <Tsjoklat> that must be it
[08:47] <bob2> weasello: the first hit for "Ubuntu PXE install" on google
[08:47] <Tsjoklat> you have trash applet in your bar yes?
[08:48] <Treenaks> uh, no
[08:48] <Tsjoklat> yes you do
[08:48] <Tsjoklat> lol
[08:48] <Tsjoklat> first Trey calls me a bloke and now you
[08:48] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: eh?
[08:48] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, I did no such thing... I was just making sure  ;)
[08:48] <Tsjoklat> do you  have a trash thing in your bar?
[08:48] <Tsjoklat> you know prullenbak?
[08:49] <Tsjoklat> where you toss your crap?
[08:49] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: yes, I know.. but I removed it ;)
[08:49] <hypa7ia> note to self: apparently i talk leet when i'm drunk.
[08:49] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks... why would you do such a thing
[08:49] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: because I enabled the desktop icon :)
[08:49] <Tsjoklat> I need you to test something out! it is for general humanity
[08:49] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: anyway, I've re-enabled it..
[08:49] <Tsjoklat> hamana?
[08:49] <|trey|> Treenaks, grr @ you  :(
[08:49] <GammaRay> bob2: wow debfoster is something I've been wondering about existing on my normal rpm distro forever
[08:49] <Tsjoklat> you mean you have it in your bar now again?
[08:50] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: yes
[08:50] <Tsjoklat> ok now make a new folder.. something
[08:50] <Treenaks> ok
[08:50] <Tsjoklat> and try to drag and drop it in there
[08:50] <Tsjoklat> can you do that or can you not
[08:50] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: uh I can drag and drop it... only nothing happens
[08:50] <Tsjoklat> it doesn't fill up? the file sticks where ever you had it?
[08:50] <Tsjoklat> yes?
[08:51] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: yes
[08:51] <Tsjoklat> praise the Lord!
[08:51] <Tsjoklat> I have not gone mad
[08:51] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: file a bug :)
[08:51] <Tsjoklat> seb did already
[08:51] <Tsjoklat> but I was worried I was the only one
[08:51] <Tsjoklat> didn't want to look like a complete tosser pissing in the wind
[08:52] <Tsjoklat> night night trey
[08:52] <Treenaks> |trey|: keyboard imprints?
[08:52] <Tsjoklat> happy sleepers
[08:52] <Treenaks> |trey|: you have a hot, textured keyboard?
[08:52] <Tsjoklat> hypa you are suppose to cheer him to sleep
[08:52] <|trey|> Treenaks, ahh, that didn't look right the first time I typed it  :(
[08:52] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: you could sing to him
[08:52] <Tsjoklat> I could...
[08:52] <Tsjoklat> but I doubt he'll enjoy it
[08:52] <|trey|> Treenaks, You've never passed out @ your computer huh?
[08:52] <Tsjoklat> he might have nightmares
[08:53] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, ni ni  :)
[08:53] <Treenaks> |trey|: I usually know when to stop :)
[08:53] <Tsjoklat> trey get a gel filled mousepad
[08:53] <Tsjoklat> then you can sleep safely on that
[08:53] <Tsjoklat> works for me
[08:53] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: your singing is that bad?
[08:53] <Treenaks> ok.. brb-time
[08:53] <Tsjoklat> no but if you like French poodles singing
[08:53] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, where your head lands after you pass out isn't really up to you  ;)
[08:53] <Tsjoklat> try to aim it :P
[08:54] <|trey|> Tsjoklat, haha... night  :)
[08:54] <Tsjoklat> toodles :)
[08:54] <Treenaks> |trey|: bye
[08:54] <|trey|> Treenaks, SO MANLY  8)  night  :)
[08:54] <Tsjoklat> heheh
[08:54] <Tsjoklat> trey is traumatized
[08:58] <weasello> OK, I've been slowly setting up to do the PXEinstall but I'm stumped on this dhcp-server thing. I tried Apt-get but it can't find any such package, and I can't figure out the "prepare your DHCP-server" section of the guide
[09:00] <Tsjoklat> weasello you are still on sarge right?
[09:00] <weasello> yep
[09:00] <Tsjoklat> sarge doesn't set up network gotta do it man
[09:00] <Ninjas-Rezatm> its so cool that you can play warcraft 3 TFT on ubuntu perfectly with cedega
[09:00] <Ninjas-Rezatm> too bad i don't know how to find mp3's anymore though
[09:00] <Tsjoklat> resolve.conf and so forth needs to be set
[09:00] <weasello> ...
[09:01] <bob2> Tsjoklat: please stop
[09:01] <mike14> im new to Linux and am having trouble playing a movie
[09:01] <Jaramin> bob2: about sudo (gksudo) asking for a password when I close a window too, I added -u root to the command and it fixes the problem...does that give you any hint where the source of the problem could be?
[09:01] <mike14> can anyone help?
[09:01] <bob2> weasello: dhcp3-server
[09:02] <mike14> ?
[09:02] <Ninjas-Rezatm> i wish I could sudo in real life
[09:03] <Ninjas-Rezatm> "office i know i was speeding, i was sudo"
[09:03] <Ninjas-Rezatm> *officer
[09:03] <Ninjas-Rezatm> sudo fly
[09:04] <hypa7ia> heheh, totally Ninjas-Rezatm
[09:04] <bob2> Jaramin: I haven't looked at that side of things, so I won't be of any help, sorry
[09:05] <Jaramin> bob2: k, I'll ask tomorrow (IRC people rotation, hehe)
[09:06] <bob2> Jaramin: have you filed a bug yet?
[09:06] <bob2> that really is the (vastly) prefered way to pass this information along
[09:07] <cenerentola> hi there...
[09:07] <cenerentola> is there any way to fix a "corruption of in-memory data detected" with a xfs fs?
[09:10] <rublind> Anyone in here?
[09:10] <mercurus> aye
[09:10] <rublind> Alright, how are you?
[09:10] <mercurus> not bad ...
[09:11] <rublind> And how much do you know about the inner workings of the sound stuff of Ubuntu? ^_^
[09:11] <Jaramin> bob2: I'll wait just a bit and fiddle some more, see if I can get more info myself. There's already a ton of bugs, the better I can describe it, the more chances it will be fixed soon
[09:12] <mercurus> rublind: what's the problem ?
[09:13] <bob2> cenerentola: check your ram
[09:13] <bob2> Jaramin: well, yeah, but don't expect that asking on IRC will mean it will get fixed
[09:15] <cenerentola> bob2: actually its a xfs problem
[09:16] <cenerentola> i just wanted to know if it was fixable
[09:16] <tensor> hello, i know this is an X question, but how do i enable the screensaver when logged on as root on ubuntu?
[09:16] <mercurus> tensor: don't login as root.
[09:17] <tensor> mercurus: i know, it's not advisable, but is there any way around it?
[09:17] <bob2> tensor: why are you logging in as root to begin with?
[09:17] <mercurus> tensor: use sudo to do administrative tasks ...
[09:17] <jdub> dudes
[09:18] <cenerentola> bob2: when using fsck is it normal that it doesnt say anything other than "fsck 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)"
[09:18] <jdub> tensor: DON'T LOG IN AS ROOT
[09:18] <jdub> ahem.
[09:18] <cenerentola> jdub: i need to talk with you
[09:18] <tensor> have to do some admin stuff and config first, i'm not used to sudo'ing a lot
[09:18] <tensor> :/
[09:18] <jdub> tensor: do that with the shell
[09:19] <jdub> tensor: disable root again, and never log in to a root desktop :)
[09:19] <Tsjoklat> hey jdub
[09:19] <jdub> morning all
[09:19] <cenerentola> bob2:?
[09:19] <bob2> *morning*?
[09:19] <rublind> Anyone want to help me with my sound problem?
[09:19] <cenerentola> jdub:?
[09:19] <jdub> cenerentola: yes?
[09:19] <tensor> jdub: hehe, right on!
[09:19] <jdub> bob2: i always say good morning
[09:19] <bob2> cenerentola: I'd be really worried about your ram, but you claim it's ok
[09:19] <hypa7ia> rublind: what be the problem?
[09:20] <cenerentola> jdub: have you read the mail
[09:20] <rublind> Well, I'm not getting any sound.
[09:20] <jdub> cenerentola: which?
[09:20] <mercurus> rublind: do you want to tell us your sound problem ?
[09:20] <rublind> I installed Ubuntu this afternoon.
[09:20] <rublind> And no sound, what so ever (and yes, everything is plugged in, and on)
[09:20] <hypa7ia> what kind of sound card do you have?
[09:20] <rublind> I believe someone referenced my problem as 'hotplug fun'
[09:20] <cenerentola> the one i sent you last sunday for the italian linux day
[09:20] <rublind> I have Creative Labs Audigy
[09:20] <cenerentola> bob2: it says that the error is on hda7
[09:21] <cenerentola> all: when using fsck is it normal that it doesnt say anything other than "fsck 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)"
[09:21] <rublind> mercurus: sorry I didn't respond earlier, but I wasn't aware that anyone had spoken (no sound..)
[09:21] <jdub> which you've just helpfully resent...
[09:21] <cenerentola> right
[09:21] <cenerentola> so?
[09:21] <Tsjoklat> jdub seb has filed a bug report
[09:21] <Tsjoklat> about the problem I was talking about earlier
[09:21] <jdub> cenerentola: there will be an ubuntu-it mailing list
[09:21] <cenerentola> the stickers?
[09:21] <jdub> cenerentola: talk to the ubuntuforums guy about an italian forum
[09:21] <mercurus> rublind: any errors or silently silent ?
[09:21] <anon> hey guys
[09:22] <cenerentola> well i thought that hosting it in our site would be better
[09:22] <rublind> mercurus: I don't think so.
[09:22] <jdub> cenerentola: we don't have any schwag yet, no
[09:22] <anon> i just installed windows xp
[09:22] <jdub> cenerentola: better to keep them all in one place
[09:22] <cenerentola> because ppl would have the documentation translated
[09:22] <anon> how do i can i boot into xp with grub
[09:22] <cenerentola> and the forum in one place
[09:22] <cenerentola> ok... volvoguy could do it for us... is he allowed?
[09:22] <hypa7ia> rublind: anything in dmesg?
[09:22] <rublind> mercurus: I can tell you that when I right-click the speaker in the top corner, and click "Open Volume Control" my sound card is last.
[09:23] <rublind> hypa7ia: what do you mean?
[09:23] <jdub> cenerentola: better to use the existing ubuntu website infrastructure for translated documentation and ubuntuforums for an italian forum
[09:23] <bob2> rublind: how many cards do you have?
[09:23] <mercurus> rublind: what do you mean by "last" ?
[09:23] <jdub> cenerentola: it could be linked with the mailing list too
[09:23] <bob2> cenerentola: why not gmane pointing at the list?
[09:23] <rublind> I have one card, but four things in my alsa mixer list.
[09:23] <hypa7ia> rublind: run dmesg in the term
[09:23] <jdub> bob2: (ubuntuforums can do that too)
[09:23] <jdub> bob2: (and is nicer to use for forum people)
[09:23] <cenerentola> so a www.ubuntulinux-it.org is abolished?
[09:24] <bob2> jdub: but it leads to crap like ::smile:: in emails
[09:24] <rublind> There are many things displayed, anything in particular you want?
[09:24] <jdub> bob2: that could probably be fixed
[09:24] <bob2> rublind: on-board sound? tv  card?
[09:24] <jdub> cenerentola: afaik, there isn't one
[09:24] <bob2> jdub: and quoting to make your eyes bleed
[09:24] <anon> does anyone know how t osetup dual boot with xp using grub
[09:24] <rublind> bob2: My computer is actually beeping now, which is the only sound I get, but I want my sound card to handle it all.
[09:24] <bob2> anon: it should happen automatically
[09:24] <cenerentola> jdub: we wanted to set it up
[09:24] <rublind> (It's beeping because I changed a setting in xChat)
[09:25] <bob2> rublind: so you have no on-board sound card or tv card, etc?
[09:25] <mercurus> rublind: ok, what's the output of sudo lsmod ?
[09:25] <rublind> bob2: I guess I have an onboard sound card, but I can't plug into it.
[09:25] <cenerentola> all the others have their own hosted forum
[09:25] <rublind> mercurus: one second.
[09:25] <weasello> I'm about to install Ubuntu, but I have a question about the linux install process...
[09:25] <hypa7ia> fire away weasello
[09:25] <mercurus> weasello: certaintly, what's that ?
[09:26] <rublind> http://www.pastebin.com/117278 <-- output of lsmod
[09:26] <weasello> I have a GeForce 4 Ti 4200 vid card, what should I select for video driver? I usually pick "vesa" because it works, and I can't see any "nvidia" listed anywhere.
[09:26] <bob2> weasello: erm, ubuntu asked you about your card?
[09:26] <weasello> Well, all the other veresions of linux have asked. Ubuntu doesn't? Good! :)
[09:27] <bob2> weasello: it should detect and setup everything automatically
[09:27] <liten> if you dont want to use closedsource, you can try out "nv" driver
[09:27] <bob2> if it asks, you have to choose nv
[09:27] <rublind> mercurus: you got that link, right?
[09:27] <bob2> ubuntu doesn't include the binary-only non-free one by default
[09:27] <jdub> weasello: if ubuntu asks questions about your X setup, it's a bug in your hardware or the installer :-)
[09:27] <mercurus> rublind: ok, are all the "Master" volumes and all the "PCM" volumes unmuted ?
[09:27] <weasello> "nv"... gotcha for future use. I'll be attempting install shortly. See y'all in about an hour :)
[09:27] <rublind> mercurus: yes, I just did that.
[09:28] <bob2> weasello: good luck
[09:28] <rublind> mercurus: I do hear a beeping coming from my computer, but this is due to a change I made in xChat (it beeps on highlighted messages)
[09:28] <hypa7ia> best of luck weasello!
[09:28] <Tsjoklat> you can msg me if you like weasello
[09:28] <Tsjoklat> since I had to shut up
[09:28] <mercurus> rublind: and what happens when you try and play a .ogg file ?
[09:28] <rublind> mercurus: I don't have any.
[09:28] <bob2> Tsjoklat: why did you have to shut up?
[09:28] <cenerentola> jdub: so? ppl when reading our site they should open another tab to visit the forum on ubuntuforums, which is UNofficial?
[09:28] <rublind> mercurus: I have music on my windows hard drive, but I am having problems mounting it.
[09:29] <rublind> (and it's .mp3 anyways)
[09:29] <mercurus> rublind: so what have you tried to play ?
[09:29] <rublind> Well, gaim isn't making any noise for one.
[09:29] <rublind> But I'll test a music CD right now.
[09:29] <jdub> cenerentola: i'm recommending it because it's less work, and keeps things together
[09:29] <mercurus> rublind: music CD will probably work ...
[09:29] <rublind> mercurus: I hope so.
[09:29] <cenerentola> ...well we are supposed to be YOU in italy
[09:29] <mercurus> because it is probably linked directly to output, practically bypassing the sound card.
[09:30] <rublind> Nope, I hear nothing.
[09:30] <cenerentola> so... an italian forum in the italian ubuntu website, imho is the most logical
[09:30] <jdub> cenerentola: by using ubuntuforums, you can have the forum linked with the mailing list, users will easily find it because it's where everything else is, etc.
[09:30] <cenerentola> thing to be done... moreover
[09:30] <jdub> cenerentola: there's no reason why you can't link to it from the website -> same thing
[09:31] <cenerentola> same thing the opposite
[09:32] <cenerentola> none of you speaks italian
[09:32] <jdub> cenerentola: no, it's not. using ubuntuforums means you're centralising the workload and eyeballs.
[09:32] <cenerentola> jdub: ubuntuforums IS NOT official!!!
[09:32] <cenerentola> the GERMAN have their own
[09:32] <jdub> cenerentola: that doesn't matter
[09:32] <rublind> mercurus: any ideas?
[09:32] <cenerentola> ok... you won
[09:32] <bob2> cenerentola: erm, at least 2 employees speak italian
[09:33] <jdub> cenerentola: it's the central place for forums, if everyone else runs their own, it's their loss :)
[09:33] <cenerentola> ill mail
[09:33] <jdub> i don't mind if the germans want to do extra work :)
[09:33] <cenerentola> the forums' guy
[09:33] <cenerentola> ok...
[09:33] <liten> cmon, they are german :P
[09:33] <aka_daemon> where's the german forum?
[09:34] <jdub> heh
[09:34] <cenerentola> jdub: and what about document translation? can we start translating your website?
[09:34] <jdub> see, if it was at ubuntuforums, it'd be obvious :)
[09:34] <jdub> cenerentola: yes
[09:34] <aka_daemon> ?
[09:34] <mjg59> Ah. It turns out that my problems are due to the kernel being REALLY FUCKING STUPID.
[09:35] <cenerentola> thx and sorry for the waste of time
[09:35] <liten> mjg59: dont hurt the computers feelings now :P
[09:35] <Ruffian|Q|> hey all
[09:36] <mjg59> liten: The computer is busy hurting my feelings
[09:36] <mjg59> I've no idea how this code ever worked
[09:36] <rublind> bob2: do you have any ideas.
[09:37] <bob2> rublind: disable the on-board card in the bios
[09:37] <jdub> mjg59: you've been inhaling the magic blue smoke, haven't you?
[09:37] <mjg59> jdub: Dude, I told you not to tell people that it's magic
[09:37] <rublind> bob2: I don't exactly know where that setting is.
[09:37] <rublind> bob2: I believe I've looked before and could not find it.
[09:37] <bob2> rublind: it depends on the machine, but disabling it is probably the easiest way
[09:38] <mjg59> But seriously, this code is entirely bong-tastic
[09:38] <rublind> bob2: how often are you online?
[09:38] <bob2> rublind: too often.
[09:39] <rublind> bob2: good, I'll be back with a status update after a reboot.
[09:39] <logic> hallo anyone
[09:40] <logic> i have just installed the latest PR release of firefox to ~/firefox, how do I make this overwrite the default 9.3 provided with ubuntu?
[09:40] <bob2> logic: don't
[09:40] <bob2> just use that one
[09:40] <logic> Why?
[09:41] <logic> I like the latest one :(
[09:41] <Pizbit> logic: uninstall mozilla-firefox and ln -s ~/firefox/firefox /usr/bin/firefox
[09:41] <aka_daemon> it seems that the 1.0 (not PR) is out for linux..?!
[09:41] <bob2> then use it
[09:41] <Pizbit> aka_daemon: No
[09:41] <bob2> Pizbit: no
[09:41] <bob2> don't tell people to do that, please
[09:41] <bob2> make the symlink to /usr/local/
[09:41] <Pizbit> Oh, heh
[09:42] <aka_daemon> bob2: why not?
[09:42] <Pizbit> Yeah, link it into /usr/local/bin
[09:42] <logic> :) thanks
[09:42] <Pizbit> aka_daemon: Because it's installed by means other than apt
[09:42] <Pizbit> Or somehting along those lines
[09:42] <bob2> aka_daemon: /usr/bin is for dpkg to play with
[09:43] <bob2> I don't know what dpkg will do if you ask it to install a file over a symlink later
[09:43] <aka_daemon> pizibit: I did install quite a lot of stuff not by means of apt and similar tools in Suse..
[09:43] <aka_daemon> ..never had any problems; or is that different with debian stuff?
[09:43] <rublind> bob2: I disabled [audio] , and now in my 'Volume Control' there are only two tabs (where as before there were four), but again, my sound card is the second of the two.
[09:43] <bob2> aka_daemon: and you're welcome to in ubuntu, just don't overwrite stuff in /usr/
[09:43] <bob2> use /usr/local/
[09:44] <bob2> rublind: what's the first?
[09:44] <Pizbit> aka_daemon: Yeah, it's just the Proper Way (TM) and all that :)
[09:44] <aka_daemon> kk
[09:44] <arun--> any good themes for gnome, all i have seen sucks :)
[09:44] <rublind> SigmaTel STAC9721/23 [OSS Mixer] 
[09:44] <Pizbit> arun--: Looked on art.gnome.org and gnome-look.org ?
[09:44] <logic> Pizbit, one question - when you say 'uninstall mozilla-firefox' you mean by using apt-get remove? Because I tried removing mozilla-firefox in synaptic and it said ubuntu-desktop would also be removed . . .
[09:44] <liten> arun--: themes.org :P
[09:44] <aka_daemon> is there a *.deb package for firefox PR?
[09:45] <Pizbit> logic: It's ok to remove ubuntu-desktop
[09:45] <logic> i just got it from the website aka_demon
[09:45] <logic> pizbit thanks
[09:45] <Pizbit> aka_daemon: Possibly, have a look on packages.debian.org I think it is.
[09:45] <liten> logic: a .deb or a sourcepackage?
[09:45] <aka_daemon> thought so.. got the source, too but I don't want to mess around in this install of Ubuntu.
[09:45] <Pizbit> Personally I've always used the .bz2/installer into my home dir since I'm the only user
[09:45] <arun--> i ve looked at gnome-look and art.gnome, may be wil give a try at themes.org
[09:45] <Pizbit> Makes things simple
[09:46] <tensor> hey, the logon/logoff audio is quite nice
[09:46] <rublind> bob2: any ideas?
[09:46] <tensor> like drumrolls
[09:46] <aka_daemon> but probably quite a lot of dependencies.. I think I remember trying to install it on debian woody..
[09:47] <GammaRay> arun--: I'm not sure how you define sucking
[09:47] <Pizbit> Compiling firefox from source, was, well, boring:)\
[09:47] <bob2> rublind: ask on the list
[09:47] <rublind> bob2: which is what/where ?
[09:47] <bob2> debugging this is possible but painful and it's dinnertime, sorry
[09:47] <bob2> rublind: lists.ubuntu.com
[09:47] <rublind> Oh, okay.
[09:47] <rublind> Thanks.
[09:49] <logic> Ahh, all nice - thx
[09:52] <Billox> hello
[09:52] <Billox> Im after some helpl regarding desktop resolution on warty
[09:53] <Tsjoklat> computer system configuration screen resolution or hardcode your xconfig
[09:53] <rublind> bob2: I'm sorry, what am I supposed to do on lists? (I got sidetracked with themes)
[09:54] <Pizbit> Billox: Just ask
[09:55] <rublind> bob2: maybe I just need to blacklist the other sound device?
[09:57] <hypa7ia> or what Tsjoklat said, Billox
[09:57] <Sbux> Hello everyone
[09:58] <hypa7ia> hey Sbux :-)
[09:58] <Sbux> I have some questions about my new Ubuntu distribution
[09:58] <Pizbit> Just ask them:)
[09:58] <bob2> rublind: good idea
[09:59] <rublind> bob2: want to walk me through it (I know the name of it, just not how to do it. =p)
[09:59] <Sbux> I can't mount my other disks (USB external Hard Disk) and my FAT32 or other ext3 disks
[09:59] <bob2> Sbux: they should be mounted when you plug them in
[09:59] <bob2> rublind: you need to edit /etc/hotplug/blaclist.d/alsa-base or so  and include the name of the module you don'[t want to load
[09:59] <Sbux> yeah but for my USB disk, it says unknown file system
[10:00] <Pizbit> Sbux: What filesystem is it?
[10:00] <Sbux> although it is a FAT 32
[10:00] <bob2> Sbux: how sure are you?
[10:00] <Sbux> 300 %
[10:00] <Pizbit> Sbux: Does 'lsmod | grep fat' show anything?
[10:00] <Sbux> ;)
[10:00] <rublind> bob2: okay, thanks.
[10:01] <Sbux> no
[10:01] <bob2> rublind: (I'm not sure of the name)
[10:01] <rublind> (Okay)
[10:01] <Pizbit> Sbux: sudo modprobe vfat and use your pass
[10:01] <rublind> bob2: I just add the name of it to the bottom, and when I reboot, it should work?
[10:01] <Sbux> 2 sec I will be back Pizbit
[10:02] <bob2> rublind: yes
[10:02] <rublind> bob2: thank you.
[10:05] <Sbux> ok hello again
[10:06] <rublind> bob2: that didn't work
[10:06] <Sbux> the lsmod | grep fat doesn't give anything at all
[10:08] <rublind> "mount: /dev/hda already mounted or /home/julian/Desktop/Windows/ busy" <-- how can I tell where it's mounted, or how can I unbusy that folder?
[10:09] <bob2> mount | grep hda
[10:09] <bob2> Sbux: please ask on the list, and include the section of /var/log/messages that gets printed out when you're pluygging it in
[10:11] <rublind> mount | grep hda returned nothing.
[10:11] <Pizbit> Sbux: Did you modprobe vfat and then try plugging it in again?
[10:11] <bob2> how about "mount | grep /home/julian/"?
[10:11] <Sbux> it worked
[10:11] <Sbux> i unplugged it and replugged it
[10:12] <Pizbit> put vfat on a line of it's own in /etc/modules then so it'll work after a reboot
[10:12] <rublind> Nope.
[10:12] <bob2> Sbux: that's still a bug
[10:12] <rublind> It's not mounted, I think that the windows folder is "busy"
[10:13] <bob2> it's a SMB share, I take it?
[10:13] <rublind> ?
[10:13] <Adrenal> hey peeps
[10:13] <Adrenal> how do i install mplayer?
[10:13] <bob2> rublind: is it a SMB share or a local partition?
[10:13] <Pizbit> Adrenal: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:14] <Adrenal> ah, brilliant
[10:14] <Adrenal> thanks
[10:14] <bob2> I'm pretty certain windows won't let you use a disk directly
[10:14] <rublind> bob2: no clue, it's my first hard drive, and it has windows (I had it before linux)
[10:14] <bob2> rublind: ok, windows.
[10:14] <rublind> bob2: I should be able to access my files, I didn't have this problem with warty-rc
[10:14] <bob2> rublind: /dev/hda sounds wrong to me, are you sure about that?
[10:15] <rublind> bob2, sure as I can be. /dev/hda0 or /dev/hda1 returns an error (I think)
[10:15] <Sbux> and also when I start my ssytem there is an FATAL error with shpcp librairies and such
[10:15] <weasello> For some reason, I feel 1337 when typing uBuNTu
[10:15] <rublind> weasello, you should. ^_^
[10:15] <bob2> rublind: can you paste the output of "sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda" to #flood?
[10:15] <rublind> Okay.
[10:17] <KiBi> Hi all!
[10:18] <Ruffian|Q|> HI!
[10:18] <Ruffian|Q|> Ubuntu OWNS!
[10:18] <KiBi> ,)
[10:18] <Sbux> yo KiBi
[10:18] <logic> It does too
[10:18] <KiBi> Got a question which google can't solve easily
[10:18] <rublind> bob2: did you see it?
[10:18] <KiBi> Can we use Debian mirror for Ubuntu?
[10:18] <daniels> KiBi: ... what?
[10:19] <KiBi> I guess ubuntu packages can have been modified
[10:19] <bob2> KiBi: please don't mix ubuntu and debian packages
[10:19] <bob2> rublind: you definitely want /dev/hda1
[10:19] <KiBi> that's what I was thinking
[10:19] <rublind> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,
[10:19] <rublind>        or too many mounted file systems
[10:20] <bob2> that's a different matter
[10:20] <rublind> a fixable matter?
[10:20] <bob2> what command line are you using to mount it?
[10:20] <KiBi> a friend of mine said it should be possible to use debian mirrors instead of ubuntu mirrors
[10:20] <rublind> a bash terminal...
[10:20] <rublind> Or do you mean what command?
[10:20] <Pizbit> KiBi: It is, but it's high unadvisable
[10:20] <bob2> rublind: yes
[10:20] <bob2> KiBi: it's possible, but it will break and no one will be able to help you
[10:21] <rublind> sudo mount -t ntfs -o julian /dev/hda1 /home/julian/Desktop/Windows/
[10:21] <KiBi> Pizbit: oki, that was my opinion
[10:21] <bob2> erm, that -o looks bogus
[10:21] <rublind> It just makes it so I own it, and not root.
[10:21] <rublind> I think.
[10:21] <bob2> no
[10:21] <bob2> '-o uid=1000' would do that
[10:21] <KiBi> -U #uid ?
[10:21] <rublind> Oh, okay.
[10:22] <rublind> Excellent, thanks bob2! Now I need to add something to /etc/fstab right?
[10:22] <Sbux> another thing that occured in my installation : I installed gdesklets but when I try to run the displays there is an error somwthing that has to do with XML
[10:23] <bob2> rublind: right
[10:24] <rublind> "/dev/hda1       /home/julian/Desktop/Windows    ntfs    uid=1000,defaults       0       0" sound right to you?
[10:24] <weasello> anyone know of an ultraminimalistic skin for Gaim? I hate all this empty whitespace
[10:24] <Pizbit> weasello: Erm, just resize the window?
[10:24] <bob2> rublind: yeah
[10:25] <rublind> bob2: excellent, one problem down, one to go.
[10:25] <KiBi> rublind: maybe should you add  user  to the  uid=1000,defaults  tab
[10:25] <Pizbit> weasello: You can remove all the formatting bars, buddy icons, etc
[10:25] <Billox> ok, sorry for the delay to those of you who responded to my earlier request. Ubuntu is giving me options for resolutions 1024x768 and below from the gui "Screen Resolution" applicaition. My XF86 config file  defines the maximum resolution as 1600x1200 but I dont get the option above 1024x768 in the GUI. I'm running an intel 740 card and a 21" screen
[10:25] <KiBi> I'm not sure...
[10:25] <rublind> KiBi: what do you mean?
[10:25] <KiBi> A example :
[10:25] <KiBi> /dev/sda1       /mnt/cle        vfat    rw,noauto,user,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[10:25] <Pizbit> Billox: Is that 1600x1200 in the right colour depth?
[10:25] <Billox> Ive googled around and seen a couple of people mention the same issue but no clies
[10:26] <Pizbit> Billox: Also, is the horiz/vert syncs correct?
[10:26] <Elwood> Billox, when you run xcfg you can select the modes
[10:26] <Billox> yes, in all colour depths
[10:26] <jdub> Billox: note that the gui isn't related at all to the X configuration file
[10:26] <rublind> KiBi: what effect does it have?
[10:26] <KiBi> (no)auto mean it is (not) mounted automatically at boot
[10:26] <Elwood> right
[10:26] <jdub> Billox: the gui controls RANDR, not the X configuration
[10:26] <Billox> ok
[10:26] <jdub> Billox: the server probably thinks that's all it can do for some reason
[10:27] <Billox> also I have noticed that X performance is very bad
[10:27] <KiBi> ``user'' (allow a user to mount)
[10:27] <Billox> as if its using a generic driver
[10:27] <KiBi> (man fstab)
[10:27] <Billox> although the i740 card is correctly detected
[10:27] <jdub> Billox: type xrandr at a terminal
[10:27] <daniels> edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, and remove the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines
[10:27] <daniels> that will allow you to get the full resolution
[10:27] <rublind> KiBi: I don't need user, but I added auto.,
[10:28] <Billox> Section "Monitor"
[10:28] <Billox>         Identifier      "CM811PLUS"
[10:28] <Billox>         HorizSync       31-107
[10:28] <Billox>         VertRefresh     50-160
[10:28] <Billox>         Option          "DPMS"
[10:28] <rublind> So, anyone here know a lot about sound? (besides bob2 =p)
[10:28] <Billox> remove that?
[10:28] <bob2> rublind: blacklisting didn't work?
[10:28] <Billox> just the Horiz and Vert sections?
[10:28] <rublind> bob2: nope, unless I did it wrong.
[10:28] <Elwood> rublind,  letme try
[10:28] <bob2> rublind: sure you hit the right module?
[10:28] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, have left your desktop at all today? ;-)
[10:29] <daniels> Billox: just HorizSync and VertRefresh
[10:29] <Billox> thanks
[10:29] <Billox> Ill try that
[10:29] <daniels> RuffianSoldier: bear in mind it's the evening in .au
[10:29] <Billox> brb
[10:29] <bob2> heh, only to buy a new disk
[10:29] <rublind> bob2: no, go to #flood, let me show you lsmod | grep snd
[10:29] <bob2> rublind: so your main card is a sblive or similar?
[10:30] <rublind> Elwood: here's my problem, I have a Creative Labs Audigy sound card, and it's not loading in the right order (I believe_
[10:30] <rublind> bob2: I guess.
[10:30] <Elwood> rublind, right order of modules?
[10:30] <KiBi> gotta go, have a nice day, thx for your answer on mirrors
[10:30] <rublind> Elwood: I guess.
[10:31] <rublind> I need to get rid of snd_pcm_oss (I don't know about snd_pcm, but they seem related, name-wise).
[10:31] <rublind> (I think)
[10:31] <Billox> daniels, that didnt work
[10:31] <bob2> rublind: no you don't
[10:31] <Billox> the X server started though, so its not all bad :)
[10:31] <bob2> rublind: snd_pcm is for OSS emulation, it does not affect card ordering
[10:31] <rublind> bob2: and snd_pcm_oss ?
[10:32] <bob2> rublind: erm, wrong way round, sorry
[10:32] <bob2> rublind: snd_pcm is the general sound output one
[10:32] <rublind> bob2: so I need to blacklist snd_pcm and not snd_pcm_oss ?
[10:32] <bob2> rublind: no, all those modules look fine
[10:32] <rublind> bob2: then why am I not getting sound? >_<
[10:33] <bob2> rublind: what happens if you run "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" now?
[10:33] <bob2> rublind: alsa channels are muted by default, have you unmuted them?
[10:33] <hypa7ia> arrighty, too drunk for irc.  night all.
[10:33] <rublind> bob2: I think so.
[10:33] <bob2> rublind: check carefully
[10:34] <Billox> is anyone running on an intel i740 video card?
[10:35] <rublind> aux2 wasn't unmuted, but I'm not sure that matters (I unmuted it anyway)
[10:35] <gehrman> I think the FC2 box our physics dept has an i740
[10:35] <Elwood> rublind,  unmuted them with alsamixer
[10:36] <Billox> I have a problems with warty with an i740
[10:36] <rublind> Elwood: yes, everything is unmuted.
[10:36] <Elwood> rublind, if u don't get error when running a player....the first thing should be the volume
[10:36] <desp> okay, jeez
[10:36] <Elwood> the modules are rightr
[10:36] <Elwood> rublind, gnome?
[10:36] <rublind> Elwood: yes.
[10:36] <desp> I managed to set up the resolutions in the XF86Config-4 file, thanks to fbset -x
[10:37] <Billox> fbset
[10:37] <Billox> Ill give it a go
[10:37] <desp> and apparently I do have hardware acceleration, after all
[10:37] <desp> so 3ddesk works
[10:37] <gehrman> I think the problems are more general that just warty, if I remember right, we never got the resolution up past 800x600 other than through tunneling X
[10:37] <Elwood> desp, 3ddesk :) i love
[10:38] <Billox> I have 1024x768 working OK
[10:38] <desp> I would love, but I have a green square in the top-center part of the screen
[10:38] <Elwood> rublind,  try to get alsa utils and run alsaconf just to be sure :)
[10:38] <Billox> does warty use Xorg?
[10:38] <rublind> Elwood: you want me to run alsaconf?
[10:38] <desp> any ideas wtf there is a green square when using 3ddesk?
[10:38] <rublind> Or, I need alsa utils first?
[10:38] <Elwood> desp, i see green numbers :)
[10:39] <Elwood> rublind, should be a volume problem, if u don't get any kind of error !
[10:39] <gehrman> no, use a heavily patched XFree 4.0.3(not sure on  versioning)
[10:39] <gehrman> **uses
[10:40] <Billox> did anyone find their desktop was limited to 1024x768 by the GUi configuration tool?
[10:41] <Elwood> Billox, maybe mine but i am ok with 1024x768 :)
[10:41] <Billox> right :)
[10:41] <Billox> maybe I should use a smaller monitor
[10:42] <rublind> Elwood: where do I get alsa utils?
[10:42] <Billox> or just ditch the GUI and get on with what I originally installed this distro for :)
[10:42] <Elwood> Billox, i set modes from the xconfg
[10:42] <Billox> xconfg
[10:42] <rublind> Billox: I'm 1280x1024 I believe.
[10:42] <Billox> okie, Ill give that a shot
[10:42] <Billox> ta
[10:42] <Elwood> Chicago:/home/elwood# apt-cache search alsa-utils
[10:42] <Elwood> alsa-utils - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (utilities)
[10:43] <Billox> no such binary here
[10:43] <Elwood> Billox, Xf86conf
[10:43] <Billox> oh ok
[10:43] <jdub> Billox: what were you originally installing it for? :)
[10:43] <Billox> I tried dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:43] <Elwood> Billox xf86config
[10:43] <Elwood> i use this
[10:44] <Billox> Im replacing my OS X server with linux to run my web, samba, php/mysql dev/test stuff
[10:44] <Elwood> i didn't a "regular " install of ubuntu
[10:46] <lml> A have a friend who is trying to install Ubuntu in a MS Virtual PC - after the boot he just gets a text login, it does not continue with the setup - ideas?
[10:46] <logic> wheres do i set environment variables, such as PKG_CONFIG_PATH ?
[10:47] <bob2> logic: what are you trying to do?
[10:47] <logic> ;) install a plugin for gaim
[10:47] <rublind> Damn i.t
[10:48] <rublind> How the hell do I get my sound to work?!
[10:48] <Billox> if you live in melbourne I have a stack of soundblasters you can have one of
[10:48] <bob2> more bloody melbournians
[10:49] <daniels> they can be found for less than the cost of a Big Mac
[10:49] <jdub> Billox: if you want to run a server, try booting the installer with 'custom' :)
[10:49] <Billox> Im english actually I just live here
[10:49] <jdub> Billox: (good comeback.)
[10:49] <Billox> well, I want to play with the desktop too though :)
[10:49] <logic> when I ./configure it says package gaim was not found in the pkg_config search path - the INSTALL file tells me to set  the env var to point to the dir containing gaim
[10:49] <rublind> Billox: I live in California, USA.
[10:50] <Billox> ah
[10:50] <Elwood> off topic i need an hints about python
[10:50] <daniels> jdub: yah, bob2 really has no excuse ;)
[10:50] <rublind> Billox: feel free to mail me one... or two... ^_^
[10:50] <Sbux> thanks guy for your contribution...
[10:50] <daniels> jdub: they tried to run him out of town by setting fire to cards on his lawn ...
[10:50] <bob2> logic: there's no gaim-dev package
[10:50] <Sbux> see you soon
[10:50] <lml> Anybody with ideas on Ubuntu and MS Virtual PC?
[10:50] <logic> arrr
[10:51] <bob2> lml: have you read the faw about that?
[10:51] <bob2> daniels: it was a car, not a card
[10:51] <rublind> faq*
[10:51] <Billox> email me your address, Ill send one via snail mail, itll prolly take a week or so, but it will more than likely work
[10:51] <rublind> Really?
[10:51] <Billox> my name at my name.com
[10:51] <rublind> Dude, you are cool.
[10:51] <Billox> sure
[10:51] <daniels> bob2: er, yeah
[10:51] <rublind> rublind at gmail.com ?
[10:51] <Billox> billox@
[10:51] <Billox> email me your address
[10:52] <logic> clear
[10:52] <lml> bob2: faw? ahh - faq ;-) I have been looking but did not find anything.
[10:52] <rublind> /msg me your e-mail...
[10:52] <logic> lol, wrong kb
[10:52] <bob2> logic: there's a section in there
[10:52] <Billox> @billox.com
[10:52] <logic> in where sorry?
[10:53] <bob2> bah
[10:53] <bob2> lml: there's a section on the website about it
[10:54] <lml> bob2: The problem we are expirensing is not described in that section.
[10:54] <rublind> bob2 is very popular this evening
[10:54] <Elwood> lml, one of my favourite section
[10:54] <bob2> lml: ask on the list
[10:55] <lml> bob2: Ahh - yes it is. Had missed the very first part about going to recovery mode to get root access.
[10:55] <lml> bob2: thx.
[10:58] <lml> bob2: Actually it does not answer it completely.
[10:59] <lml> bob2: When the installation reboots my friend is presented with a text login screen - not the continued installation process.
[11:00] <Kyaneos> hi
[11:00] <bob2> lml: ok
[11:00] <bob2> I've never used virtual pc, you'll have to ask on the list if no one here knows
[11:01] <lml> Anybody with Ubuntu and MS Virtual PC expirence?
[11:01] <Elwood> no
[11:01] <Elwood> lml, never with virtual pc
[11:01] <lml> Elwood: What else?
[11:02] <bob2> why is your friend installing into virtual pc at all?
[11:02] <lml> He is a MS buff - so not really sure.
[11:03] <eim> I'm trying to get the simple "Fixed" fonts running under GNOME. Any ideas how to do this? Thanks.
[11:04] <Billox> lml, in my travels trying to get a resolution problem fixed I ran into lots of docs on getting ubuntu working under VPC
[11:04] <Billox> google for VPC ubuntu
[11:04] <Billox> there was a fair bit of stuff
[11:05] <lml> Billox: I can find many docs on MS Virtual PC an Ubuntu also - but they all concentrate on the color depth and this is only valid after having went through a full install. Problem here is that the install does not complete, just presents a text login after the boot.
[11:06] <Billox> mmm
[11:06] <Billox> what is the prompt?
[11:07] <Billox> do you get any additional info using ctrl-alt-F2... F3 etc ?
[11:07] <lml> Billox: Not really sure - he just a moment ago told me that he has started a reinstall. So will probably run into the problem again later.
[11:08] <ploum> hmm.. the calendar seems broken in evolution hoary
[11:08] <ploum> isn't it ?
[11:08] <Billox> get him to cycle through the virtual terminals with ctrl-alt-F2 - ctrl-alt-F3 etc
[11:08] <lml> Billox: Not much stamina with MS users.
[11:08] <rublind> Alright, I'm going to sleep.
[11:08] <rublind> `night all.
[11:08] <Billox> many distros output errors and debugging info to those terminals during install
[11:09] <lml> Billox: Thx. Will do when the he encounters the problem again.
[11:09] <Todd_MA_1975> ploum: Seems to be working OK for me.  R U using evolution 2.2?
[11:12] <Billox> anyone here unlucky enough to be using an intel i740 video card?
[11:16] <eim> Solution to my problem found. In order to get X11 fonts working with GNOME we must edit /etc/fonts/local.conf.
[11:27] <eim> What about Debian's `menu` package? Is it supported by Ubuntu?
[11:28] <gebbers> hi, i was wondering if it's possible to do something along the lines of 'map network drive' in windows with ubuntu ?
[11:29] <nevyn> gebbers: smbmount can certainly do that sort of thing
[11:29] <gebbers> nevyn, is it possible to do it through the UI ?
[11:29] <bob2> eim: it's in universe
[11:30] <Kyaneos> hi
[11:30] <bob2> gebbers: if you go to to the network thign in nautilus you can just access them immediately
[11:30] <eim> bob2: Yes, I've seen. Will it work once installed and will the Debian menu appear in the GNOME menu system like on sid with GNOME 2.6? Thanks.
[11:31] <gebbers> bob2: i have a directory with lots of files, and nautilus seems to be really slow with it...
[11:31] <bob2> eim: don't think so.
[11:31] <eim> bob2: ok
[11:31] <bob2> gebbers: well, you can mount it if you want, but there's no gui way to do it that I know of
[11:31] <bob2> gebbers: filing a bug about nautilus being slow would be good, tho
[11:31] <gebbers> hrm, when i try to run smbmount, i get : sudo: smbmount: command not found
[11:31] <bob2> you'll need to install it
[11:32] <nevyn> gebbers: even if you mount it it's not going to help the problem that nautilus sucks on large directories.
[11:32] <gebbers> nevyn, true, but i'm happy with a terminal view :)
[11:33] <nevyn> wo why do you need a gui way to mount it?
[11:33] <gebbers> because i don't know the samba commands ;)
[11:33] <Gmail> wow look at this
[11:34] <Gmail>  21:34:41 up 13 days,  2:31,  2 users,  load average: 0.06, 0.05, 0.05
[11:34] <Adrenal> how do i install mplayer?
[11:34] <Gmail> hey Adrenal
[11:34] <Gmail> Adrenal: read the FAQ
[11:34] <Adrenal> hey gmail
[11:34] <Kyaneos> with apt
[11:34] <Adrenal> command?
[11:34] <nevyn> mount -t smbfs -o user=myname \\server\share /mountpoint
[11:34] <Kyaneos> apt-cache search mplayer
[11:34] <nevyn> Gmail: and?
[11:34] <Kyaneos> y escoges el que quieras
[11:34] <Gmail> Adrenal: read the apt guild
[11:35] <Adrenal> link?
[11:35] <Adrenal> and that command does nothing
[11:35] <Gmail> btw i am runing gnome with 2 users right now and 2 x sessions
[11:35] <Gmail> Adrenal: debian.org and ubuntulinux.org
[11:35] <nevyn> and?
[11:35] <Kyaneos> and then apt-get install mplayer
[11:35] <Gmail> and what?
[11:36] <nevyn> what's wow about that uptime?
[11:36] <bob2> Adrenal: wiki.ubuntnu.com/RestrictedFormates
[11:36] <Adrenal> tried that, that doesn't actually help me install anything
[11:36] <Gmail> FOR CRING OUT LOUD! read the faq people mplayer can't be in the responory
[11:37] <Gmail> neuro_: i was tring to show my load time not uptime
[11:37] <bob2> Gmail: shush now.
[11:37] <bob2> Adrenal: yes it does.
[11:37] <bob2> Adrenal: which part do you have trouble with?
[11:37] <Adrenal> the obtaining and installing
[11:38] <bob2> edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:38] <Adrenal> wha?
[11:38] <bob2> add a line like: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
[11:38] <bob2> ?
[11:39] <Gmail> Adrenal: give me ssh access and i'll do it for you if you don't know howto edit a text file
[11:39] <bob2> Gmail: no
[11:39] <Gmail> Adrenal: you use synaptic
[11:39] <bob2> Gmail: you will not ever ask for access to someone's machine in this channel, ok?
[11:39] <Gmail> bob2: me and Adrenal are friends
[11:40] <bob2> then you ask off-channel
[11:40] <Gmail> anyway he is going to do it him self
[11:40] <Gmail> he not 2 years old
[11:40] <Gmail> i was showing him his options
[11:40] <Adrenal> yeh, gmail saved my life in nam
[11:40] <Adrenal> ...twice
[11:41] <bob2> anyway.
[11:41] <dopey> Gmail: its still a pretty dodgy request
[11:41] <Adrenal> nah, this guys legit
[11:41] <bob2> legit is not a word I'd use
[11:41] <bob2> anyway, add that line to that file
[11:41] <bob2> come back when you've done that
[11:42] <Gmail> Adrenal: if you use synaptic i can tell you step by step what to do
[11:42] <bob2> if you actually trust gmail with even a user account, then do that
[11:42] <Gmail> if not do the folling
[11:42] <Gmail> sudo nano /ect/apt/sources.list
[11:42] <Gmail> add at the buttom
[11:43] <Gmail> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
[11:43] <bob2> yes, we just went through this
[11:43] <Gmail> then ctrl+O enter and then ctrl + X
[11:43] <Adrenal> difference being, i understand this guy
[11:43] <Gmail> then
[11:43] <Gmail> apt-get update
[11:43] <Gmail> then
[11:44] <Gmail> opps
[11:44] <Gmail> sudo apt-get update
[11:44] <Gmail> then sudo apt-get install mplayer
[11:44] <Adrenal> ok
[11:44] <desp> does anyone know a mac-like text editor for linux?
[11:44] <Adrenal> lets back track
[11:44] <Adrenal> what is bottom?
[11:45] <Gmail> are you in nano?
[11:45] <nevyn> desp: what's mac like?
[11:45] <Adrenal> yeh
[11:45] <Gmail> emac? desp ?
[11:45] <Adrenal> say what?
[11:45] <Pizbit> Adrenal: bottom, is, uh, the opposite to top :)
[11:45] <Gmail> Adrenal: is there anything in the file
[11:45] <Adrenal> i just copied and pasted that into terminal
[11:45] <Gmail> Adrenal: that was for someone else
[11:46] <desp> nevyn: I was kinda hoping someone has actually used a mac here
[11:46] <Gmail> Adrenal: you are editing a text file
[11:46] <Adrenal> i got your command, copied into terminal
[11:46] <logic> Err, this is more a gnome q - Is there a way to make nautilus reuse the same window when you dbl click a folder, rather than opening a new one each time?
[11:46] <Adrenal> got a new screeny thing
[11:46] <desp> nevyn: I'm used to BBEdit, for example
[11:46] <Adrenal> where do i paste the second command?
[11:46] <desp> logic: yes
[11:46] <bob2> logic: yes
[11:46] <bob2> logic: google for "disable nautilus spatial"
[11:46] <logic> danke
[11:46] <gebbers> is there a version of unrar for ubunu?
[11:46] <desp> bob2: since you have a mac...perhaps you would know?
[11:46] <Gmail> ok you are in nano did you add that line at the bottom of the text line?
[11:47] <Adrenal> text line?
[11:47] <Gmail> gebbers: yes
[11:47] <Adrenal> there was no text line
[11:47] <Gmail> *file
[11:47] <gebbers> Gmail, do you know where i can get it? :)
[11:47] <desp> was there a spoon?
[11:47] <Adrenal> all i got was a blank terminal with a black heading
[11:47] <Gmail> gebbers: its in universe
[11:48] <Gmail> Adrenal: hmmm
[11:48] <gebbers> Gmail, what's universe? ;)
[11:48] <Gmail> does ubuntu ever install a blank sources.list
[11:48] <Gmail> gebbers: FAQ
[11:48] <Adrenal> can it be done through synaptic?
[11:48] <Gmail> yes
[11:48] <Gmail> open it
[11:48] <Adrenal> how?
[11:48] <Adrenal> opened
[11:49] <Gmail> ok closed the terminal
[11:49] <Adrenal> closed
[11:49] <Gmail> brb in 30 sec
[11:49] <Adrenal> kk
[11:49] <bob2> desp: emacs
[11:50] <bob2> but "mac-style" sounds meaningless to me, unless you're refering to some particular mac editor
[11:50] <desp> I said I'm used to BBEdit, for example
[11:50] <Gmail> bob2: mac style mean it costs money is closed source and crap
[11:50] <bob2> yeah, but how is that mac-style
[11:50] <bob2> ?
[11:51] <Gmail> Adrenal: ok settings > responory
[11:51] <bob2> "repository"
[11:51] <Gmail> click new
[11:51] <nevyn> desp: ok. there are LOTS and lots of editors. I'm sure one is something like what you're used to.
[11:51] <desp> bob2: the way the arrow keys work. the way selections work.
[11:51] <Gmail> bob2: spelling smelling same thing
[11:51] <nevyn> the way the arrow keys work?
[11:51] <bob2> Gmail: apt-cache show gtypist
[11:52] <desp> i.e. shift+arrow to select text in that direction
[11:52] <Adrenal> kk
[11:52] <Adrenal> clciked new
[11:52] <Gmail> URI:  ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat
[11:52] <nevyn> desp: that's pretty standard
[11:52] <nevyn> shift ctrl and arrow to select words in that direction etc.
[11:52] <Gmail> Distro...: testing
[11:53] <bob2> oh, that's why the instructions in the wiki suck
[11:53] <bob2> they're for synaptic
[11:53] <Gmail> Sections: main
[11:53] <Adrenal> is it deb or source?
[11:53] <EfaistOs> weird with mplayer and the fglrx driver i cant use the vo=xv options
[11:53] <Gmail> bob2: i said the wiki sucks
[11:53] <Gmail> Adrenal: deb
[11:53] <Adrenal> cheers
[11:53] <desp> nevyn: okay, so what editor would you recommend for html/latex/c?
[11:54] <Gmail> the refresh
[11:54] <Adrenal> now what?
[11:54] <bob2> emacs!
[11:54] <Gmail> *then
[11:54] <nevyn> desp: for you? kate or gedit.
[11:54] <nevyn> desp: I personally use vim :)
[11:54] <desp> bob2: sigh, no...the only thing less mac-like than emacs is vi/m ;)
[11:54] <Gmail> desp: glade/nvu/mswin
[11:54] <Gmail> lol
[11:55] <desp> I know I am going to learn vim one day, just not today.
[11:55] <Adrenal> gmail, now what do i do?
[11:55] <bob2> glade and "mswin" are not editors
[11:55] <Gmail> install mplayer
[11:55] <Gmail> bob2: i know and mswin isn't an os
[11:55] <nevyn> desp: maybe ktetex-maker
[11:56] <Adrenal> how do i install it?
[11:56] <Matt|> omg hoary is awesome
[11:57] <Cortis> heyho
[11:57] <Matt|> services-admin: brilliant idea
[11:58] <Adrenal> gmail, how do i install ubuntu?
[11:58] <Gmail> wtf
[11:59] <Gmail> you don't have ubuntu installed?
[11:59] <Adrenal> oh sorry
[11:59] <Adrenal> mplayer
[11:59] <Adrenal> hmm
[11:59] <Adrenal> when i restarted synaptic
[11:59] <Adrenal> got
[11:59] <Adrenal> Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net Testing/Main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_Testing_Main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[11:59] <bob2> yes, run refresh
[11:59] <nevyn> yep.
[11:59] <Gmail> Adrenal: push the refresh button
[12:00] <Gmail> as i told you
[12:00] <Adrenal> got that error again
[12:00] <Adrenal> as well as
[12:00] <Adrenal> another thing saying it was the wrong url
[12:00] <nevyn> capital Testing or doesn't matter?
[12:01] <Adrenal> ok
[12:01] <Matt|> i'm guessing it is the wrong address
[12:01] <Adrenal> got the caps out
[12:01] <Adrenal> all is sweet
[12:01] <Matt|> :)
[12:01] <Gmail> Adrenal: hmm
[12:01] <gjdt> hi
[12:02] <Gmail> bob2: was the URI the right one we gave him
[12:02] <bob2> "we"?  I gave the correct url
[12:02] <Gmail> Adrenal: yea cpas matter
[12:02] <Adrenal> ok, one last thing
[12:02] <chemaja> this has to be the closest a linux distro has ever come to my preferred configuration out-of-the-box -- good stuff!
[12:02] <Adrenal> how do i get mp3s?
[12:02] <Matt|> i'll go with that chemaja
[12:02] <Adrenal> yeh, it was caos
[12:02] <Gmail> bob2: i gave him the uri that you gave me so hence we
[12:03] <bob2> Adrenal: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:03] <Adrenal> *caps
[12:03] <nevyn> Adrenal: now you're offtopic.
[12:03] <Adrenal> say what?
[12:03] <Adrenal> oh
[12:03] <Adrenal> i ment how do i play them
[12:03] <Adrenal> not obtain them
[12:03] <nevyn> bob2: that's not what he asked...
[12:03] <Matt|> lol
[12:03] <Matt|> you know what he meant!
[12:03] <Gmail> lol
[12:03] <bob2> yes, we should guess what people mean
[12:03] <nevyn> Matt|: he should say what he means then.
[12:04] <robster> bob2: crowded house bob ;)
[12:04] <bob2> save them the trouble of composing coherent sentences
[12:04] <Adrenal> alright, my mustake
[12:04] <Matt|> bob2, you correctly guessed
[12:04] <nevyn> I find it helps with communication.
[12:04] <wfx> Adrenal, have you visit the ubuntu website?
[12:04] <bob2> robster: hah
[12:04] <Matt|> nevyn, aw come on
[12:04] <Adrenal> how do i install support for the playing of my legally obtained mp3s?
[12:04] <bob2> robster: come to spain!
[12:04] <bob2> Adrenal: 21:03:01           bob2 | Adrenal: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:04] <robster> bob2: maybe.
[12:04] <Adrenal> ah k
[12:04] <Adrenal> cheers
[12:05] <ploum> Todd_MA_1975, yes, I'm using Evo 2.2 (2.1 in fact ;-) )
[12:05] <ploum> sorry for being late
[12:05] <Adrenal> should be right now
[12:06] <nevyn> Adrenal: seeing as you have the media you should re-encode them into a more free format like vorbis ;)
[12:07] <Matt|> is the clock fixed now in hoary?
[12:08] <Todd_MA_1975> ploum: no prob.  I don't have much for suggestions - All I can say it that the calendar seems to work ok for me.  I had a problem where it stopped accessing my POP account which was fixed by recreating the account.
[12:08] <Gmail> Matt|: i have been using hoary since it was taken out of the topic
[12:08] <Matt|> ?
[12:09] <Matt|> damn this channel is getting ruder and ruder
[12:09] <bob2> who's being rude?
[12:10] <Matt|> have i interpreted that wrongly?
[12:10] <Gmail> wtf
[12:10] <Gmail> mat
[12:11] <Gmail> opps
[12:11] <bob2> just ignore gmail
[12:11] <Matt|> i have long since learned that doing a list in freenode is not a good idea: is there another channel for hoary discussion?
[12:11] <bob2> here
[12:11] <Matt|> oh
[12:12] <bob2> but if you're using hoary, you generally should know how to fix your problems yourself
[12:12] <bob2> and then file bug reports
[12:12] <Gmail> bob2: why i was fighting with my brother over my cordless kb that why i spammed
[12:12] <bob2> Gmail: I wasn't refering to that
[12:12] <Matt|> bob2, i am pretty sure that the clock problem wil already have been reported and probably solved already
[12:12] <Gmail> i have reported 4 bug reports so far
[12:13] <bob2> Matt|: have you checked?
[12:13] <Gcc> guys ime trying to compile a kernel on ubuntu normally make && make modules_install && make install even with the default config i get kerenl panic! (i dont use initrd)? can anybody help me?
[12:13] <bob2> Gmail: why are you building your own kernel?
[12:13] <Matt|> bob2, no lemme just restart gnome and if it still isn't fixed i'll check the bugs
[12:13] <bob2> the default upstream config won't boot on your machine
[12:13] <Gmail> bob2: i am not
[12:14] <Matt|> brb
[12:14] <bob2> and the default ubuntun config won't boot unless you use an initrd
[12:14] <Gmail> bob2: Gcc ask it
[12:14] <bob2> Gcc: why are you building a kernel?
[12:14] <Gmail> ubuntun?
[12:14] <Gcc> i want a custom
[12:14] <sjoerd> Gcc: the question was why
[12:14] <bob2> Gcc: why?
[12:15] <Gcc> beacuse i want my own custom kernel
[12:15] <Gmail> Gcc: ubuntu's kernel is custom enuff for you if you can't fix the problem
[12:15] <Gcc> its not
[12:15] <Gcc> the theme is that i get kernel panics
[12:15] <Gcc> is it fixable
[12:15] <Matt|> ok clock is fixed :)
[12:15] <Lowry> hi
[12:16] <bob2> Gcc: of course
[12:16] <sjoerd> Gcc: why is it not good enough for you ?
[12:16] <Lowry> Any Australians on?
[12:16] <Gcc> sjoerd: just say its not
[12:16] <nevyn> Gcc: given that the default kernel works. and your's doesn't clearly the default kernel is superior ;)
[12:16] <bob2> Gcc: but you're building it wrong, and tutoring you in "how to build a working kernel" is not something most people could be arsed to do, frankly
[12:16] <Gcc> SMT and other tuff
[12:16] <nevyn> Lowry: quite a few.
[12:16] <bob2> Lowry: jah
[12:16] <mjg59> Gcc: What sort of kernel panic is it?
[12:16] <Gmail> Lowry: half of this channel is australia or nz
[12:17] <nevyn> Gcc: smt is in there.
[12:17] <ploum> Todd_MA_1975, thx, I will look further
[12:17] <Lowry> Is there a Telstra ppc login option for cable?
[12:17] <Gmail> G'day fate
[12:17] <Gcc> mount fs
[12:17] <Gmail> Lowry: yes
[12:17] <Lowry> Like launch for os x
[12:17] <mjg59> Gcc: Then your configuration is wrong
[12:17] <Lowry> There was a java app
[12:17] <Gcc> mjg59: i guess ubuntu's config is wrong
[12:17] <Gmail> Lowry: do the following command
[12:17] <mjg59> Gcc: No, ubuntu's config is not wrong
[12:17] <Gcc> i tried also to use the default
[12:17] <bob2> Lowry: bpalogin
[12:17] <nevyn> Lowry: bpalogin is the thing you want...
[12:17] <Gcc> mjg59: how do u explain it?
[12:17] <Gcc> i tried it
[12:18] <Lowry> thx
[12:18] <eim> The default ppc kernel won't support the internal speaker on iBooks. The kernel has to be patched and recompiled.
[12:18] <Gcc> the default config also didnt work
[12:18] <mjg59> Gcc: The ubuntu config requires an initrd
[12:18] <Gmail> sudo apt-get install bpalogin
[12:18] <nevyn> Gcc: it doesn't apply to a default kernel tree.
[12:18] <bob2> eim: to do what?
[12:18] <Gmail> Lowry: that was for you
[12:18] <nevyn> most probably.
[12:18] <Gcc> nevyn: so i must downlaod a kernel tree/
[12:18] <bob2> eim: I get horrible-sounding audio out of it with a default kernel
[12:19] <Gcc> nevyn: is there any hope to make an initrd
[12:19] <Gcc> and not download tree
[12:19] <nevyn> Gcc: WHY are you doing this?
[12:20] <Matt|> did someone say there is support for burning audio cds in rhythmbox now?
[12:20] <Gcc> nevyn: my connection right now is sucky and cant donwload th ekernel sources
[12:20] <Gcc> i got 2.6.8 sources though
[12:20] <Matt|> Gcc, you can try making an initrd but you really should be using the ubuntu kernel
[12:20] <Gcc> Matt|: can u help me with that?
[12:20] <nevyn> Gcc: if you don't know what the f!@# you're doing why are you building a kernel?
[12:20] <Gcc> is it easy
[12:20] <Matt|> Gcc, yes
[12:21] <Gcc> ive never before used initrd thats why
[12:21] <Matt|> Gcc, but let's make this clear: the only reason to build a kernel is to learn how to do it, it is not actually necessary
[12:21] <nevyn> initrd is not nessicary even on ubuntu if your kernel is correctly configured.
[12:21] <Gcc> Matt|: nope ive been building kernels from 2.4.x kernels
[12:22] <Pizbit> Gcc: 2.6 kernels are built differently to 2.6
[12:22] <Pizbit> er, 2.4
[12:22] <Matt|> Gcc, the command is "mkinitrd /boot/name_your_initrd 2.6.8.1", substitute the number of your kernel
[12:22] <Gcc> Pizbit: 2.6 too
[12:22] <Matt|> Gcc, also have a read of the manual for mkinitrd
[12:22] <eim> bob2: I need the internal speaker mostly for irssi.
[12:22] <Matt|> Gcc, no guarantee it will boot though. You have to have the right config
[12:22] <eim> bob2: Before switching to ubuntu I had it working fine on sid.
[12:23] <Gcc> Matt|: ill use the default one
[12:23] <Matt|> Gcc, still no guarantee
[12:23] <Matt|> :0
[12:23] <Matt|> *:)
[12:23] <mjg59> Gcc: The default configuration won't support all of your hardware
[12:24] <Matt|> did someone say there is support for burning audio cds in rhythmbox now?
[12:24] <sjoerd> Matt|: in cvs
[12:24] <Matt|> sjoerd, ah
[12:24] <Matt|> hoary is not using it?
[12:24] <sjoerd> dunno
[12:25] <Matt|> guess not
[12:25] <Matt|> thanks sjoerd
[12:25] <bob2> eim: doing *what*?
[12:27] <agenteo> does wine exist in ubuntu?
[12:27] <eim> bob2: To correctly support the internal iBook speaker through ALSA.
[12:27] <Todd_MA_1975> agenteo: It's in universe
[12:28] <nevyn> desp: find something you like yet?
[12:28] <Lowry> What is the better dvd option for a bronze powerbook g3 400?
[12:28] <Lowry> What have ppl have good results with?
[12:29] <agenteo> Todd_MA_1975: thanks
[12:30] <Matt|> i tell you the best thing of updating to hoary: new supertux levels wwoooooo
[12:30] <mirak> hi
[12:30] <Gmail> bye Micksa
[12:30] <mirak> I got a problem
[12:30] <Gmail> ROOT HAS LANDED!
[12:30] <Gmail> yes and that is that your ircing as root
[12:30] <mirak> I qm root yes
[12:30] <desp> nevyn: yeah, gedit is fine for now...and I installed vim documentation for later ;)
[12:30] <Gmail> logout
[12:31] <desp> now I have another question
[12:31] <Gmail> and use irc as a normal user
[12:31] <bob2> eim: do you have problems playing dvds on your ibook, btw?
[12:31] <mirak> I qm before init1 soplesas
[12:31] <Gmail> mirak: i'll tell you why after you do so
[12:31] <mirak> eho cares the stystem is deqd
[12:31] <eim> bob2: No, they work fine with totem-xine (not totem-gstreamer).
[12:32] <mirak> I qm at harware detection
[12:32] <desp> I selected the american english locale during installation, because I prefer to have all applications in english.  however, I would now like to install another locale.  how can I do that?
[12:32] <mirak> o please consider give me some help
[12:32] <mirak> i am chatting in text mod
[12:32] <mirak> ubuntu wont run a getty
[12:32] <bob2> eim: at a useful speed?
[12:32] <mirak> I consider reisnstqi everything
[12:33] <mirak> reinstal
[12:33] <eim> bob2: I instead have troubles with pbbuttonsd and the sleep mode: It hangs on resume.
[12:33] <mirak> exept is somebody have a solution
[12:33] <eim> bob2: Yes.
[12:33] <bob2> eim: I get massive tearing and framedropping on my 1ghz g4
[12:33] <bob2> eim: sleep on ibook g4 doesn't work yet
[12:33] <mirak> could someone help, I cant even boot !
[12:33] <agenteo> Hi, I was tring to install the package education-mathematics and I've got this error: http://www.pastebin.com/117315 someone knows how can I get thoose packages?
[12:33] <mirak> dpkg is dead
[12:33] <Matt|> mirak, i can't quite understand the problem
[12:34] <Matt|> mirak, what have you done to your system
[12:34] <mirak> matt I am logued as root even before hardware detection
[12:34] <mirak> well not really but, well
[12:34] <Matt|> mirak, what do you mean?
[12:34] <mirak> the problem is that ubuntu fail to run a getty
[12:35] <mirak> so it won't go far
[12:35] <Matt|> mirak, what did you do to it?
[12:35] <eim> bob2: I have a G3 iBook2 here.
[12:35] <eim> bob2: 700MHz.
[12:35] <Gmail> mirak: 99.9% of clients ignore anyone with the username root and if you are ircing as root then i and a few other people see your comments
[12:35] <mirak> I upgraded to hoary
[12:35] <bob2> eim: oh, right
[12:35] <mirak> so i guess thats very unstable
[12:35] <mirak> lol
[12:35] <bob2> eim: there's an open bug about that, with a patch
[12:35] <Matt|> mirak, works here
[12:35] <desp> can someone tell me how to add a locale to ubuntu?
[12:36] <bob2> eim: which seemed to work for someone last night.  try killing hal before sleeping.
[12:36] <Matt|> desp, "dpkg-reconfigure locales"
[12:36] <bob2> desp: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[12:36] <Matt|> :)
[12:36] <bob2> well, with sudo.
[12:36] <bob2> Gmail: no they don't
[12:36] <desp> thanks
[12:36] <bob2> I've never seen a client that does that
[12:36] <mirak> matt is there somekind of command that would reconfigure the base system ?
[12:36] <eim> bob2: I read about it, yes. Thanks.
[12:36] <EfaistOs> does someone have an ati 9600xT ?
[12:36] <Matt|> mirak, i totally don't understand the problem
[12:36] <Matt|> :(
[12:36] <mercurus> hmm ... can totem-xine cope with .asf files ?
[12:36] <Gmail> bob2: sssshhhh i am tring to get him to irc as non-su
[12:37] <bob2> eim: if you can test and confirm it works, the patch could go in soon
[12:37] <bob2> Gmail: please don't lie to people
[12:37] <Pizbit> mercurus: Might need to get the w32codecs pack first
[12:37] <Matt|> Gmail, ircing as root is not a problem if you don't care about getting 0wn3d
[12:37] <eim> bob2: I'll see what I can do. Currently I'm fighting with importing my old stuff into evolution.
[12:37] <bob2> eim: ah, fair enough
[12:37] <mjg59> mirak: What happens when you boot your system?
[12:37] <Matt|> yuh
[12:37] <mirak> matt ok ubuntu boot, then do a fsck and then try to run a getty, you know the consols, but it can't, it fails, so it's stuck. then if i try to do ctrl+alt+sup, it fails also
[12:38] <eim> bob2: Do you have an IM contact?
[12:38] <mercurus> Pizbit: I have the w32 codecs ... and totem is throwing up :x actually, i think it is .asx ..?
[12:38] <Matt|> ah
[12:38] <bob2> eim: "bob2 on irc" ;)
[12:38] <mirak> becquse it can't find /sbin/reboot
[12:38] <Matt|> mercurus, is it an internet stream?
[12:38] <eim> bob2: Fine ;)
[12:38] <mercurus> Matt|: yes
[12:38] <bob2> agenteo: they're from universe, ubuntu doesn't guarantee they'll be installable
[12:38] <Matt|> mercurus, i haven't succeeded in playing one of those either
[12:38] <bob2> agenteo: you can file a bug, I guess
[12:38] <Gmail> Matt|: lets Own3d him
[12:39] <mercurus> though there's no motion thus far ... just a puddle :x
[12:39] <Matt|> lol
[12:39] <mirak> so I am loggued right know in root in text mod after cancellinfg the fsck of xfs ichwich opened a root console
[12:39] <Matt|> Gmail, his system is totally dead
[12:39] <bob2> Gmail: stop it.
[12:39] <bob2> yes, it's stupid and annoying when people go on irc as root, but don't make it worse by going on and on
[12:39] <Gmail> Matt|: well if he can login as root he can login as a normal user or even add one but bob2 said to stop it
[12:39] <mirak> mjg59 i will reinstall everythig, it's the only solution I can handle
[12:40] <mjg59> mirak: What do you mean by a getty? A text login or a graphical one?
[12:40] <Matt|> Gmail, at boot he is thrown into a root console i presume
[12:40] <Todd_MA_1975> agenteo: looks like grace is in universe kgeo is trickier it's homepage is http://kgeo.sourceforge.net/
[12:40] <mjg59> And in what way does it fail to launch them?
[12:40] <mirak> mjg59 a console text
[12:40] <mirak> I will try to run one manually
[12:41] <Matt|> mirak, all you did was to update to hoary?
[12:41] <Matt|> mirak, how did you upgrade?
[12:42] <CHRlS> Hello folks. Im a very new user, and the root privs are kind confusing me.... anyone availble to help?
[12:42] <Matt|> CHRlS, yup :)
[12:42] <Matt|> welcome to ubuntu
[12:42] <CHRlS> Thanks... so far, I love it!
[12:43] <Matt|> me too. have been using it about a week ;p
[12:43] <CHRlS> This is really my first X windows setup, and Gnome seems awesome!
[12:43] <CHRlS> Very slick ;-)
[12:43] <Lowry> Hi Chris
[12:43] <CHRlS> Here's the thing... I see Ubuntu doesn't allow root logins
[12:43] <CHRlS> Hi Lowry :-)
[12:44] <CHRlS> So, Id like to keep it this way, but Im not used to running a system like this.
[12:44] <Matt|> CHRlS,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[12:44] <Elwood> my ubuntu does
[12:44] <logic> How can I get the Bluecurve icons for Gnome? Not on gnome-look
[12:44] <Lowry> I am like you - new to ppc linux
[12:45] <bob2> CHRlS: basically, all the admin stuff in the menus will ask for your password when run, and will sudo themselves automagically
[12:45] <bob2> CHRlS: if you run something from a terminal, use "sudo blah" from your normal login
[12:45] <topyli> logic: i downloaded a redhat-artwork debian package but i forget where :)
[12:45] <logic> hmm i'll hunt for that
[12:45] <CHRlS> Yeah, I've got that far, but I've also installed Squid. I can't get into the log file dir.
[12:45] <CHRlS> I tried > sudo cd squid
[12:45] <CHRlS> ...but no luck
[12:46] <homeas> Hi - I am trying to figure out how to make my terminals ?understand" utf-8 from my other computers.  For some reason the file system is not using utf8 when displaying files
[12:46] <bob2> CHRlS: "sudo -s"
[12:46] <Matt|> CHRlS, try sudo -s
[12:46] <homeas> it works fine on all non-ubuntu machines - any ideas ?
[12:46] <bob2> CHRlS: will get you a root shell.  or you can "sudo ls /var/local/squid/blah" etc
[12:46] <CHRlS> Ok. Im gonna try.
[12:46] <mercurus> Matt|: what have you tried as far as as(x|f) streams are concerned ?
[12:46] <Matt|> homeas, you could install utf support by doing dpkg-reconfigure locales. not sure if it will solve your prob tho
[12:46] <Matt|> mercurus, not much :(
[12:46] <PhilFR_Ubuntu> hi. New here.
[12:47] <topyli> logic: look for it on apt-get.org, there's three repositories with redhat-artwork
[12:47] <Matt|> does anyone know how to get these streams workin?
[12:47] <mercurus> welcome PhilFR_Ubuntu
[12:47] <PhilFR_Ubuntu> thank you
[12:47] <PhilFR_Ubuntu> Can I a technical question ?
[12:47] <bob2> PhilFR_Ubuntu: yes
[12:47] <CHRlS> Worked great.... ;-)
[12:48] <Matt|> CHRlS, good :)
[12:48] <logic> topyli: thanks
[12:48] <topyli> logic: actually, tiere's just one repository, listed three times. and it doesn't work :(
[12:48] <homeas> Matt|, ok - do I need to log out of X for it to take effect, since it probably changes systemwide env vars ?
[12:48] <homeas> Matt|, what streams ?
[12:48] <Matt|> homeas, no need to log out i don't think
[12:48] <mercurus> homeas: asf and asx
[12:48] <PhilFR_Ubuntu> OK. I have a PC with IIYAMA vision master pro 454. X don't want to see it... What can I do, please ?
[12:48] <Matt|> homeas, internet media asf asx
[12:49] <bob2> PhilFR_Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XautoconfigurationDebug
[12:49] <homeas> hm, still can't enter extended chars in the terminal.  strangely it works in some apps, like in this xchat window for example
[12:49] <Matt|> ah
[12:49] <bob2> homeas: which terminal are you using?
[12:50] <homeas> switching a distro is like learning linux all over again
[12:50] <homeas> bob2, gnome-terminal
[12:50] <bob2> homeas: is your locale utf-8?
[12:50] <homeas> bob2, that? the thing, no LANG or LC_ is set in my env
[12:50] <mercurus> Matt|: woah ... think I got it working ...
[12:50] <homeas> bob2, so I?m trying to figure out where ubuntu does that
[12:50] <Matt|> mercurus, kewl how?
[12:50] <bob2> homeas: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[12:51] <mercurus> Matt|: try this URI: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/listen/default.htm
[12:51] <homeas> bob2, yeah, just did that on suggestion of Matt|, but it hasn?t changed anything.  maybe i do need to log out after all
[12:51] <Matt|> homeas, maybe you can set utf-8 as your default
[12:51] <mercurus> Matt|: totem-xine, w32codecs, and mozplugger
[12:51] <mercurus> then I've edited mozpluggerrc
[12:51] <bob2> homeas: erm, you need to log out and in for that to take effect
[12:51] <PhilFR_Ubuntu> Ok. See you ... go to try. Thanks
[12:51] <mercurus> and it ... well, worked :)
[12:51] <Matt|> mercurus, which stream? real or wmp?
[12:51] <CraHan> anyone here using hoary?
[12:51] <mercurus> pity that is fuddy-duddy-fm ... let's see if I can get JJJ working
[12:52] <mercurus> Matt|: WMV2
[12:52] <Matt|> CraHan, just started this morning
[12:52] <CraHan> Matt|: how does nautilus work for you?
[12:52] <CraHan> cause here on all my machines, if I open my computer the disk icons are wrong
[12:52] <CraHan> and I can't open png and jpg files anymore
[12:52] <CraHan> even after setting the associated apps
[12:53] <mercurus> Matt|: yep, definately working :)
[12:53] <CraHan> like cdrom, floppy, filesystem and the network icon
[12:53] <Matt|> mercurus, ok will try installing mozplugger
[12:53] <CraHan> they show CD-ROM%201.desktop
[12:53] <CraHan> Filesystem.desktop
[12:53] <CraHan> etc
[12:53] <Matt|> erm
[12:53] <Matt|> hang on
[12:54] <mercurus> at this stage totem is loading outside mozilla, I'm going to try and dock it ...
[12:54] <Matt|> CraHan, seems fine
[12:54] <CraHan> hmmm
[12:54] <CraHan> dang
[12:54] <Matt|> you mean computer:///?
[12:54] <homeas> man, there's something seriously screwy with lang settings, even on the console
[12:55] <Matt|> homeas, i can enter  in the terminal ok
[12:55] <homeas> it doesn't play chars correctly, and when I do manage to create files with accents in it, ls doesn't display them properly
[12:55] <Matt|> is that what you are trying to do
[12:55] <homeas> Matt|, trying to debug various things atm since it seems there is more than one thing working differently
[12:55] <Matt|> homeas, when doing the dpkg-reconfigure locales, at the end, set your DEFAULT maybe as utf-8?
[12:55] <homeas> for example, I switch to console, and type "touch t?st"
[12:56] <Matt|> then use alt-gr ' letter to insert accents
[12:56] <homeas> then it doesn't print ? when I type it, as if the console is in ascii and thus not showing a twobyte char correctly
[12:56] <mercurus> Matt|: totem is even visualising the stream :)
[12:56] <homeas> Matt|, yeah, I chose utf-8 in en_US
[12:57] <Matt|> homeas, did you then set it as default?
[12:57] <homeas> Matt|, yep
[12:57] <Matt|> hmm
[12:57] <Matt|> mercurus, firefox is trying to load the page. am crossing fingers
[12:57] <homeas> maybe the kernel is not compiled with utf8 support for console ?
[12:57] <topyli> logic: http://vemod.net/debian/packages :)
[12:57] <CraHan> Matt|: yeah
[12:57] <Gmail> hmm can there be a server iso for ubuntu that has what you need for a server which is like 100MB and you can probbly add vhcs.net and it will be a HUGE hit
[12:58] <desp> can someone explain to me why when I do xlsfonts I can see a thousand fonts, but only a few show up in Gnome/Fonts?
[12:58] <Matt|> CraHan, maybe there is something wrong with your icon package
[12:58] <bob2> desp: because you need to ignore xlsfonts
[12:59] <logic> topyli: Sweet :D
[12:59] <homeas> heh. this is too weird.  I pressed up and down arrows by accident on the console login screen.  Now it's displaying every character in uppercase
[12:59] <homeas> so it's saying UBUNTU LOGIN: now
[12:59] <jordi> homeas: that's a feature :)
[12:59] <jordi> homeas: old Unix stuff. Some terminals only wrote in upper-case :)
[12:59] <desp> bob2: okay, let me rephrase -- I need a monospaced sans-serif font like Bitstream's that has ISO-Latin-2 characters.  I just installed some fonts, including a xfonts-european package.
[01:00] <desp> bob2: why the hell don't they show up in gnome?
[01:00] <bob2> desp: ignore xlsfonts
[01:00] <nevyn> hrm I should get a lowercase rom for my ADA3D
[01:00] <bob2> desp: because you didn't tell /etc/fonts/local.conf about them
[01:01] <mercurus> Matt|: you'll have to edit /etc/mozpluggerrc and change the LONG mplayer command in the wmv section to say: totem "$file" >/dev/null
[01:01] <desp> ah, so apt-get couldn't do that?
[01:01] <mercurus> THEN, you have to delete ~/.mozilla/pluginreg.dat
[01:01] <mercurus> THEN, restart firefox
[01:01] <biollo> #ubuntu-it
[01:01] <bob2> desp: no, it can't
[01:01] <Matt|> mercurus, kthx
[01:02] <homeas> jordi, seriously ? I mean, even when I type it's in uppercase
[01:02] <bob2> homeas: yes, it's a feature
[01:02] <homeas> bob2, my curses apps are also not showing line chars, but lots of crap.
[01:02] <bob2> homeas: hit caps lock
[01:02] <bob2> homeas: are you using a utf-8 locale now?
[01:03] <homeas> bob2, yeah, but how can I be sure that my kernel and console are using it ?
[01:03] <desp> bob2: so, after I enabled bitmapped fonts in local.conf, what do I need to do?
[01:03] <bob2> desp: nothing
[01:04] <desp> bob2: as far as I can see, the only fonts visible in gnome are defined in /etc/fonts/fons.conf -- so shouldn't this file be regenerated somehow?
[01:04] <Matt|> mercurus, have sent you a query
[01:04] <mercurus> Matt|: heh, indeed
[01:05] <mercurus> that your mozplugerrc file ? just putting EVERYTHING through totem ?
[01:05] <Matt|> mercurus, i don't really understand it
[01:06] <bob2> desp: no
[01:07] <desp> not even dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig? :P
[01:08] <Matt|> mercurus, you're a genius
[01:09] <mjg59> desp: That shouldn't be the full list of fonts
[01:10] <mjg59> That's the set of fonts it'll use by default if a user doesn't ask for a specific font
[01:13] <desp> interesting
[01:13] <desp> in any case, after doing reconfigure I can now see the fonts that I installed.
[01:14] <polytan> hello
[01:17] <Matt|> gtg
[01:17] <Matt|> bye all
[01:26] <FallenHitokiri> Hi. I installed k3b as the FAQ told me but when I try to start it I get 1000s of errors. I run strace and got a 2.4MB big file. Someone here who things he can help me and want to check the log?
[01:32] <Zimpee> am i right, that there is no ncurses-devel package on ubuntu-s cd?
[01:32] <bob2> libncurses5-dev
[01:35] <Zimpee> wheree can i find it?
[01:35] <Zimpee> in pool/main there is no linb dir
[01:36] <Zimpee> sorry, libn
[01:37] <martink> it's in n/ncurses, because its source package is named ncurses
[01:38] <Zimpee> so there isnot any package named libncurses5-dev
[01:38] <Zimpee> ?
[01:38] <bob2> someone asked this on the list before
[01:38] <bob2> Zimpee: yes, there is
[01:38] <bob2> apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[01:39] <Zimpee> oh
[01:39] <Zimpee> thanks
[01:39] <Zimpee> brb
[01:50] <xinel> anybody here know how to fix broken packages
[01:50] <xinel> ?
[01:50] <xinel> using synaptic i press the fix broken packages button but it dun work
[01:50] <kent> xinel, what do you mean with "broken"?
[01:51] <xinel> synaptic tells me the package libc6-686 is broken
[01:51] <xinel> but it can't fix it
[01:51] <kent> xinel, running "apt-get -f install" in gnome-terminal might help? It should fix broken packages..
[01:51] <xinel> okies
[01:52] <xinel> okies i got a error now
[01:53] <amin2> hi everybody
[01:53] <xinel> says "dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 10021 package `gnome-bin':, `Depends' field, syntax error after reference to package `libgtk1.2', E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)"
[01:53] <xinel> :/
[01:56] <amin2> could somebody help me: when I minimize a windows I could not see it on the panel (bottom) ?
[01:58] <amin2> could somebody help me: when I minimize a windows I could not see it on the panel (bottom) ?
[01:58] <xinel> dun see a gnome-bin
[01:59] <kent> xinel, are you using warty?
[02:00] <Erix> hi
[02:01] <xinel> kent: yes
[02:01] <kent> xinel, strange. I never had any problems with it.
[02:03] <kent> xinel, have you any strange repositories in apt (synaptic) or do you use the normal once? (the place you fetch the packages from..(
[02:04] <dreamcatcher> .
[02:05] <xinel> ive got some strange ones in there
[02:05] <xinel> :(
[02:06] <kent> xinel, do the packages that caus the trouble come from there?
[02:07] <xinel> kent: i belive so
[02:08] <xinel> but many packages rely on the one causing trouble
[02:09] <kent> xinel, isn't gnome-bin a gnome1.4 package?
[02:09] <kent> xinel, you shouldn't need to use that old gnome packages..
[02:10] <drukqs> wasup
[02:11] <xinel> kent: says ubuntu-base depends on libc6-i686
[02:11] <gorlist> hey what kind of distro is ubuntu?
[02:12] <housetier> the best kind
[02:12] <Matt|> what he said ^^
[02:12] <nevyn> gorlist: a linux distro?
[02:12] <kent> xinel, that should probably be so. Libc is used to most applicatio, I belive..
[02:12] <Matt|> gorlist, is based on debian
[02:13] <gorlist> oh
[02:13] <gorlist> anything special about it?
[02:13] <gorlist> why should i prefer it from others i mean
[02:13] <cyrus-tc> gorlist, ... full workin after install incl. sound
[02:13] <kent> gorlist, its released more often (6 months) it uses new gnome packages, and it "just works".
[02:14] <cyrus-tc> gorlist, real good hardware detection..
[02:14] <cyrus-tc> i was suprised
[02:14] <xinel> kent: any ideas?
[02:15] <gorlist> hm yeah
[02:15] <gorlist> but others don
[02:15] <kent> xinel, nope. Perhaps file a bugreport on bugzilla?
[02:15] <gorlist> don't "just work"?
[02:15] <cyrus-tc> gorlist, in my opinion - no ;)
[02:15] <kent> gorlist, Debian is not realy a "just work"-distribution.
[02:15] <housetier> gorlist try and see, eventually you will have to decide for yourself if ubuntu is for you
[02:16] <housetier> we can't possibly know
[02:16] <gorlist> yes you're right
[02:16] <gorlist> what
[02:16] <gorlist> 's its level?
[02:16] <cyrus-tc> gorlist, there is a live cd on the ftp - try it
[02:16] <gorlist> i mean is it for intermediate-advanced users or newbie ones?
[02:17] <Matt|> gorlist, both of those
[02:17] <amin2> guys, whereis the tasklist ?
[02:17] <Matt|> i recommend it to my newbie friends
[02:17] <Pizbit> amin2: Task list?
[02:18] <Matt|> amin2, maybe applications --> system tools --> system monitor?
[02:18] <fissy> applications > system tools > system monitor
[02:18] <fissy>  /curse lag
[02:18] <Matt|> lol
[02:18] <gorlist> ok thanks
[02:18] <Matt|> gorlist, should be easy to run
[02:20] <Lowry> Gorlist - ubuntu installed on my g3 powerbook - the apps and hardware work well
[02:20] <gorlist> what's a wiki?
[02:20] <Lowry> You have a nice gui to get more apps
[02:20] <gorlist> lowry i thought only macos was on mac...
[02:21] <Lowry> mac had beos, linux
[02:21] <gorlist> ?mac has macos...
[02:21] <Matt|> wiki is like a readme
[02:22] <gorlist> man?
[02:22] <darksatanic> gorlist: It's a part of the Ubuntu website
[02:22] <PhilFR_Ubuntu> Hi again. Always pb with my IIyama vision master pro 454 and X .... I 'm looking for one idea...
[02:22] <darksatanic> gorlist: Wikis are websites that everyone can alter.
[02:22] <Lowry> wiki ppl can add to a section of a guide] \
[02:22] <amin2> could somebody help me: when I minimize a windows I could not see it on the panel (bottom) ? What's wrong ?
[02:22] <darksatanic> gorlist: See the address for the wiki in the /topic of this channel
[02:23] <gorlist> how is that?
[02:23] <darksatanic> gorlist: Just go and take a look at it. All should become clear. :)
[02:23] <Matt|> amin2, you need to add the window list to the panel
[02:24] <kent> amin2, you probably dont have the tasklist applet. Add it by rightclicking and choose add..
[02:24] <gorlist> i am looking at it now
[02:24] <Matt|> amin2,  right click, add to panel, windowlist
[02:24] <Zimpee> hi
[02:24] <gorlist> but how is it done?php or smt?
[02:25] <Zimpee> which is the generic driver for all graphics cards? at install it asks, but there isn't my video card
[02:25] <Pizbit> Zimpee: What do you have?
[02:25] <Zimpee> Nvidia GeForce 4 ti 4200 64MB TV-OUT
[02:25] <Matt|> wow
[02:26] <Zimpee> nv driver doesnt work
[02:26] <Pizbit> Eh? nv should work
[02:26] <Matt|> i am so jealous of peoples video cards
[02:26] <kent> Zimpee, have you tried using the nonfree driver?
[02:26] <PhilFR_Ubuntu> LOL. NVIDIA 6800
[02:26] <Matt|> argh
[02:26] <Matt|> /kick PhilFR_Ubuntu
[02:26] <PhilFR_Ubuntu> lol ?
[02:26] <Matt|> i'm jealous of you
[02:26] <kent> I have a Nvidia TNT2. It works just perfectly.
[02:26] <Zimpee> kent: i'd, but i couldn't find the kernel source
[02:27] <Zimpee> and it needs it
[02:27] <Zimpee> but if i want to configure a new kernel, it messes with ncurses, says it is not installed. but it is
[02:27] <kent> Zimpee, add restricted to apt (or synaptic) and install nvidia-glx. Thats all that is needed.
[02:28] <PhilFR_Ubuntu> my card ok with suse, fc1 & 2, but noway to have X, it give me : no monitor with my iiyama master pro 454 .....
[02:28] <Matt|> Zimpee, for future reference, if you want to configure a kernel, which you should try to avoid, you need ncurses-dev
[02:28] <Matt|> for the makeconfig dialogue
[02:28] <Zimpee> yes i know, but it didn't find ncurses-dev
[02:28] <Zimpee> and i didn't find it too
[02:28] <Matt|> go with what kent said for the video card
[02:29] <mir> who can I connect to a remote x server with ubuntu?.. I had a choice in the login manager in my previous distro
[02:29] <Matt|> (it's probably libncurses-dev or something similar)
[02:29] <LinuxJones> Mir, it's under gdmsetup
[02:29] <Zimpee> kent : sorry, i don't understand what to do:) my english...:)
[02:30] <kent> Zimpee, use synaptic. Edit the repositories (its in the menu) and add restricted where it sais main.. etc. Then refresh, and install nvidia-glx
[02:30] <kent> Zimpee, i have to shower now. Perhaps some other can help you on this.
[02:30] <Zimpee> oh, i got it
[02:30] <Zimpee> i got it, thanks kent
[02:30] <Zimpee> [away] 
[02:31] <mir> LinuxJones: The allow running of xdmpc from login manager is marked??.. is there anything more ?
[02:31] <gorlist> ubuntu has kde or gnome
[02:31] <gorlist> ?
[02:31] <Matt|> gnome
[02:31] <Matt|> you can install kde of course
[02:31] <PhilFR_Ubuntu> I tried "DEBUG_XFREE86_PACKAGE=yes XF86FORCEPROBE=yes dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" with or without nvidia driver (611), but nothing good....
[02:31] <kent> Zimpee, though i think you have to manually edit /etc/X11/XF86config-4 and  change Driver "nv" to Driver "nvidia" or something..
[02:32] <Zimpee> but at install, which driver to choose? nv? kent
[02:32] <Deft> nvidia-glx has a tool to change the setup automatically
[02:32] <Matt|> Zimpee, you should be able to follow this guide: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:32] <Zimpee> thanks Matt|
[02:32] <LinuxJones> mir, I think you have to tell X-server to accept communications on the machine that your trying to connect to. I can't remember exactly how tho.
[02:33] <gorlist> what's the hardware requirements?
[02:33] <Matt|> gorlist, what have you got?
[02:34] <Matt|> gorlist, you can find a list of supported hardware here: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HardwareSupport
[02:34] <LinuxJones> mir, it might be easier to just use remote desktop :)
[02:34] <mir> LinuxJones: the machine I want to connect to is accepting sessions.. But I dont' see the XDMCP chooser in ubuntus login menu
[02:34] <gorlist> i want to get it on an old box
[02:34] <gorlist> it's celeron @333 128 ram
[02:34] <LinuxJones> mir sudo gdmsetup
[02:34] <mir> LinuxJones: That would only allow one session wouldnt it?
[02:35] <mir> LinuxJones: I have configured gdmsetup.. :-)
[02:35] <Matt|> gorlist, not sure. Should work ok
[02:36] <amin2> Matt!, Kent : thanks, it's just marvelous !! But my "hide all windows, and show desktop" applet is still gone.
[02:36] <Matt|> amin2, you can add that too :)
[02:36] <bob2> gorlist: 128MB will be a bit sucky with gnome
[02:37] <bob2> but give it a go
[02:37] <LinuxJones> mir  I think so just 1 yes
[02:37] <Matt|> amin2, right click on panel, add, "Show Desktop"
[02:37] <Matt|> gorlist, a friend of mine runs ubuntu with 128MB
[02:37] <Matt|> uses openoffice and everything
[02:37] <Matt|> dunno the processor tho
[02:38] <amin2> Matt|, yes it's working but not hiding others opened windows.
[02:38] <mercurus> I've just installed Warty on a P2 233 w\ 128 ... it takes an eternity to boot up, but if you disable icons in menus it is quite workable
[02:38] <mir> LinuxJones: I changed the theme to GNome Happy and now I see the remote chooser
[02:38] <Matt|> amin2, you added the "show desktop" icon, not the "desktop" icon?
[02:39] <Zimpee> and then, how can i install the nvidia official driver? i need it, or no?
[02:39] <Matt|> Zimpee, should work like that
[02:39] <gorlist> if i add a dimm and make it 256?
[02:39] <amin2> Matt! thanks, it's indeed marvelous. Thanks again :))
[02:39] <Matt|> gorlist, you will be superfly
[02:39] <gorlist> :) thanks!
[02:39] <Matt|> i have 192 on this shared with the video card
[02:40] <gorlist> if i use fluxbox instead of gnome?
[02:40] <Matt|> amin2, np
[02:40] <gorlist> i guess i 'll be ok...no?
[02:40] <Matt|> gorlist, supersuperfly
[02:40] <gorlist> :D
[02:40] <Matt|> gorlist, i reckon gnome will be ok tho myself
[02:40] <gorlist> what's the lightest gui for linux out there/
[02:41] <gorlist> ?
[02:41] <Matt|> gorlist, my fav is icewm
[02:41] <Matt|> but there are lighter ;)
[02:41] <Matt|> blackbox maybe
[02:41] <gorlist> is it the full name?
[02:41] <Matt|> gorlist, yp
[02:41] <elwood> gorlist,  openbox!
[02:41] <Matt|> icewm is really cool
[02:41] <gorlist> k thanks ...but what about the one with the most potentials?
[02:42] <Matt|> icewm - wonderful Win95-OS/2-Motif-like window manager
[02:42] <gorlist> not necessarily light
[02:42] <Lowry> vectorlinux?
[02:42] <Matt|> even apt describes it as "wonderful"
[02:42] <gorlist> kde?
[02:42] <gorlist> i mean the most powerful
[02:43] <amin2> so, gnome is a win-manager, what's is nautilus ?
[02:43] <gorlist> the explorer i think
[02:44] <Matt|> nautilus is the file manager for gnome
[02:44] <Matt|> yeah a bit like "my computer" in windows
[02:44] <housetier> gnome is a desktop environment
[02:44] <housetier> not a window manager
[02:50] <cyrus-tc> bob2 will have a running desktop enviroment in about 30 min ;) (depending on your system)
[02:51] <bob2> heh, I've been running it on my mac for months
[02:54] <cyrus-tc> i was so dmn suprised of ubuntu - i ve a raid controller and thought that it will never work - but it detected it all and after 20 min incl. reboot there was the ubuntu login incl sound ;)
[02:56] <Zimpee> yeah, i have the graphical interface. but i know have problems with the domains. i only can use ip to find something. How can i solve this problem?
[02:56] <bob2> how do you access the internet?
[02:57] <SaLtAiR> i still cant boot from my 8g usb hd
[02:57] <bob2> does your bios support booting from a usb drive?
[02:58] <Zimpee> bob2: i did a pppoeconf, and it works
[02:58] <SaLtAiR> yes
[02:58] <saltair> can disp grub
[02:59] <saltair> root            (hd0,0)
[02:59] <saltair> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet splash
[02:59] <saltair> initrd          /boot/initrd.img
[03:00] <Lowry> later
[03:02] <gorlist> what are the differences between Gnome and KDE?
[03:02] <cyrus-tc> religion in my eyes
[03:02] <Zimpee> Kde is better
[03:02] <Zimpee> :)
[03:02] <[Mirak] > gnome is better.........let the battle begin
[03:03] <housetier> the difference lies in the eye of the beholder
[03:03] <[Mirak] > gorlist, just from first look kde looks like windows, and gnome looks like osX
[03:03] <housetier> lays?
[03:04] <[Mirak] > lies
[03:04] <housetier> thanks :)
[03:04] <[Mirak] > :)
[03:04] <housetier> I use TBOAW
[03:05] <[Mirak] > ??nevr heard of it??
[03:05] <housetier> The Best Of All Worlds
[03:05] <housetier> kde gnome xfce you name it
[03:05] <thoreauputic> gorlist: http://kdelook.org/index.php?xcontentmode=34   <---- some kde screenshots
[03:05] <Zimpee> how to slide my screeen to a bit left? i can't see the half of my gnome desktop.
[03:05] <[Mirak] > ahh....
[03:05] <Zimpee> 
[03:06] <[Mirak] > Zimpee, does your monitor have a menu??....do it there
[03:06] <gorlist> lol i meant if you think the one is better than the other then tell the reason too
[03:06] <housetier> only valid reason: personal preference
[03:06] <[Mirak] > gorlist, i am linux newb, about a month old, kde kinda pushed me away from linux, as where gnome pulled me in
[03:07] <jdub> dudes, please give the kde vs. gnome stuff a rest
[03:07] <gorlist> mirak why?
[03:08] <housetier> gorlist it doesn't matter
[03:08] <Zimpee> [Mirak]  : i meant xvidtunes, somebody helped me
[03:08] <[Mirak] > gorlist, oh.....idk then
[03:09] <dreamcatcher> A
[03:09] <saltair> fvwm is better
[03:09] <housetier> I think its enough already of that "foo is better" nonsense
[03:09] <[Mirak] > gorlist, the answer to which is better is "which is better to YOU" try them both....gnome is ubuntu default, and kde is apt-getable, xfce4 is also apt-getable, you might as well try that too
[03:10] <chemaja> but foo IS better
[03:10] <chemaja> ;)
[03:10] <housetier> lol
[03:11] <chemaja> although while you're at it, you may as well try out bar and baz
[03:11] <bob2> is grub going to be able to boot hdf if it's grub-install'd to hda?
[03:11] <chemaja> they're both apt-getable
[03:11] <jdub> bob2: yeah
[03:11] <chemaja> ubuntu uses foo by default
[03:11] <thoreauputic> gorlist: some prefer one, some the other : I use neither . Look at http://xwinman.org for information on the bewildering number of choices :)
[03:11] <bob2> jdub: getting "error 21", which sounds like (from google) "your bios doesn't know about that disk"
[03:11] <chemaja> but some people like bar and baz
[03:11] <[Mirak] > chamaja, bar? baz?
[03:11] <chemaja> it really depends on YOU
[03:12] <jdub> bob2: ... does your bios know about that disk? :)
[03:12] <eim> bob2: Any experiences with exim4 and dynamic smarthosts? I use guessnet over here to adapt the system to a given network. updating the exim4 smarthost dynamically could be useful.
[03:12] <jmichel> hi
[03:12] <jdub> eim: you could do that fairly easily with postfix
[03:12] <bob2> jdub: no, it's on a pci ide thing
[03:12] <chemaja> [Mirak] : foo, bar, baz.. the three metavariables.
[03:12] <jdub> just use postconf -e
[03:12] <[Mirak] > chamaja, sorry....thnx
[03:12] <jmichel> I would like to know if the following bug has already been reported
[03:12] <bob2> jdub: oh, I guess grub uses the bios to see disks
[03:13] <bob2> dang
[03:13] <jmichel> I installed ubuntu using my old debian sid partitions
[03:13] <Zimpee> do you know any problems with Domain servers? the nameservers are set corectly, but cant reach any servers with their hostnames
[03:13] <jmichel> and the installer did not activate my swap
[03:13] <jmichel> so every time my ram was full
[03:13] <bob2> Zimpee: how do you connect to the internet?
[03:13] <bob2> pppoe?
[03:13] <jmichel> the computer was freezing
[03:13] <Linger> Ciao!
[03:13] <Zimpee> bob2: yes
[03:13] <jmichel> do I need to report this bug ?
[03:14] <uman> hyllo
[03:14] <eim> jdub: I've just replaced postifx with exim4 over here.
[03:15] <bob2> eim: postfix lets you do that, as jdub says
[03:15] <thoreauputic> jmichel: put a line in /etc/fstab something like this one:
[03:15] <bob2> eim: what I do is send all my mail over a vpn, so I don't need to futz with postfix at all
[03:15] <eim> bob2: exim, too. I did it in the past using exim3 on sid.
[03:15] <bob2> eim: or find a smarthost that does smtp auth
[03:15] <jmichel> thoreauputic, I know thx
[03:15] <thoreauputic> jmichel: /dev/hda7  none  swap  sw  0  0  (not hda7 on yours, necessarily)
[03:15] <jmichel> I know
[03:15] <thoreauputic> jmichel: OK - just in case :)
[03:16] <jmichel> but it took me a while to figure out what was going wrong
[03:16] <shank_> i have a silly question
[03:16] <[Mirak] > shoot
[03:16] <jmichel> I'm not here to ask how to fix it, but to ask if I need to report it
[03:16] <shank_> i accidently moved my bottom panel to the lft
[03:16] <jmichel> but thanks
[03:16] <shank_> left
[03:16] <malte`> hi
[03:16] <shank_> how do i put it back?
[03:17] <[Mirak] > shank_, right click on it...go to properties......its in there
[03:17] <[Mirak] > shank_, cahnge the orientation
[03:17] <thoreauputic> jmichel: I've had similar things happen installing other distros - I doubt it's ubuntu specific
[03:17] <jmichel> ok
[03:17] <shank_> [Mirak] , yeah, having a hard time finding space that's not an applet
[03:17] <eim> bob2: I just need to be able to replace dc_smarthost='smarthost.org' in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf dynamically using a one-liner.
[03:18] <shank_> [Mirak] , ok got it, thanx :-)
[03:18] <Linger> Hem .. I have a question too, btw I am new with Linux and Ubuntu is the very first distro I installed.
[03:18] <bob2> eim: you can use sed, of course
[03:18] <[Mirak] > shank_, remove an applet.....change the orientation......put the applet back
[03:18] <[Mirak] > shank_, oh...you got it
[03:18] <eim> bob2: Could be a solution, yes. I just need to get the syntax working.
[03:18] <Linger> I have 2 hard disks .. in the Primary I have WinXp and in the Sec there is Ubuntu ..
[03:18] <bob2> sed -e's/dc_smarthost=".*/dc_smarthost="blah.com"/
[03:18] <bob2> erm, and a final '
[03:18] <jmichel> thoreauputic, ok ;o) but I think the installer should handle it, no ?
[03:18] <eim> bob2: I try, thanks.
[03:19] <shank_> how do i put a "home" folder on my desktop?
[03:19] <Linger> Uhm .. Ubuntu "does not see" the primary hard disk (with Win Xp)
[03:19] <kent> Linger, becaus you are perhaps using NTFS?
[03:19] <jmichel> anyway, I'm in a hurry, I'll come back later to discuss it ;o)
[03:19] <jmichel> by everyone
[03:19] <Linger> but for my notebook's Hard disk (NFTS) in the LAN is ok
[03:20] <thoreauputic> jmichel: I guess so. I'm not a developer so I can't say
[03:20] <jmichel> byE sorry
[03:20] <jmichel> thanks
[03:20] <kent> Linger, but on the LAN its used as a samba-share, and on your computer you have to mount it as NTFS, and thats problematic on Linux.
[03:21] <azuzak> Linger, I use this line in my /etc/fstab: /dev/hda1 /home/dewd/win ntfs ro,user,umask=022 0 0
[03:21] <Linger> Uhm .. is it too hard .. oh thanks! :)
[03:22] <azuzak> where /dev/hda1 points to the NTFS partition and /home/dewd/win points to the directory where I want to mount the partition
[03:22] <[Mirak] > why does "cd player" not give me any sound??....i can watch a dvd with sound?
[03:23] <[Mirak] > btw, i have a combo drive
[03:24] <azuzak> Linger, you should make clear you understand what you need to do. After that that line should do it. and then reboot :)
[03:24] <sjoerd> Micksa: what kind of machine?
[03:24] <Linger> Eh I will try thanks! :)
[03:24] <sjoerd> [Mirak] : what kind of machine?
[03:24] <sjoerd> Micksa: sorry wrong dude
[03:25] <[Mirak] > sjoerd, ummm......i built it.....desktop? if that is what you are asking
[03:25] <sjoerd> [Mirak] : is your cd drives audio out connected to your soundcard ?
[03:25] <[Mirak] > sjoerd, nope, but i still get sound from dvd's
[03:26] <sjoerd> [Mirak] : dvd's are completely different
[03:26] <[Mirak] > sjoerd, is it just "cd player" that required it?
[03:26] <sjoerd> [Mirak] : with audio cd's the software can tell the cddrive to play, without needing to decode iself
[03:27] <[Mirak] > sjoerd, yeah....i see your point.....stupid me.....windows xp still on the brain
[03:27] <sjoerd> [Mirak] : you either need to connect the audio cable or use a player that does the playing in software
[03:27] <Linger> See U soon! and thanks!
[03:28] <[Mirak] > sjoerd, ill just do the cable.....its no biggie....about 2 seconds
[03:28] <sjoerd> that's the easiest method :)
[03:28] <eim> bob2: How can I match something inside ' ' using sed? Thanks.
[03:29] <bob2> eim: what do you mean?
[03:30] <wfx> maybe he main all between ' and '
[03:30] <eim> bob2: I would like to replace a generic string contain inside '', e.g: dc_smarthost='generic_string' -- In this case I would like to match generic_string.
[03:31] <eim> bob2: Something like dc_smarthost='*'
[03:31] <bob2> erm
[03:31] <bob2> I don't think this is how you want to solve your original problem
[03:33] <[Mirak] > oops?
[03:33] <Gmail> oops? what?
[03:33] <wfx> and what does it mean ;-)
[03:33] <neuro|laptop> means someone hasn't set +t in the channel :)
[03:34] <[Mirak] > Gmail, i changed topic...didnt mean too
[03:34] <eim> bob2: The sed code you provided ufortunately does not work.
[03:34] <bob2> [Mirak] : please don't do that
[03:34] <[Mirak] > neuro|laptop,  thnx
[03:34] <Gmail> why isn't it locked?
[03:34] <[Mirak] > bob2, i didnt mean too......i am sorry
[03:34] <[Mirak] > bob2, i said oops
[03:34] <mirak> [Mirak] : change your nick I am tired
[03:35] <mirak> it's like if my nick is [[mirak] ] 
[03:35] <Gmail> why to #ubuntu-offtopic why not to #freenode or #offtopic
[03:35] <bob2> eim: sed -e"s/^dc_smarthost=\'.*/dc_smarthost=\'blah\'/" < /etc/exim.conf
[03:35] <[[mirak] ] > hey
[03:35] <bob2> Gmail: #freenode is not for random off-topic crap
[03:35] <neuro|laptop> definitely not
[03:35] <[[mirak] ] > bob2: how are you ?
[03:35] <neuro|laptop> in fact it's moderated
[03:36] <bob2> yes
[03:36] <bob2> annoyingly moderated
[03:36] <neuro|laptop> yah
[03:36] <neuro|laptop> with no clear immediate indication of who the network admins are :)
[03:36] <eim> bob2: this works:  sed -e '/dc_smarthost/{s/'.*'/dc_smarthost='foo.bar.org'/;}' update-exim4.conf.conf
[03:36] <Gmail> bob2: it seems to alway be talking about offtopic stuff
[03:37] <bob2> eim: yeah...
[03:37] <robertj> Nautilus is more similar ot the OS 9 Finder or the Windows 95 Explorer really
[03:37] <bob2> eim: that is equivalent to what I said, but slightly less strict
[03:37] <robertj> doh, wrong channel ;)
[03:37] <[Mirak] > haha
[03:38] <bob2> can someone on intel paste me a the grub command line that uses the initrd?
[03:39] <wfx> i cant fine the site on www.ubuntu.org for making themes
[03:39] <wfx> fine ups :) find
[03:40] <wfx> hmm and it is www.ubuntulinux.org (sorry :-)
[03:40] <EfaistOs> hi
[03:40] <xinel> grrr libc6-i686 is my nemesis
[03:41] <EfaistOs> why an usb external bus is not mounted when you plug it ?
[03:41] <EfaistOs> what are the modules to enable ?
[03:45] <Zimpee> another q: how to set the frequency of the monitor? e.g. from 65 to 85 Hz [MHz?] 
[03:45] <bob2> EfaistOs: ntfs?
[03:45] <Zimpee> only in XFree86 Config file?
[03:46] <wfx> Zimpee, Example: but this in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 HorizSync    30.0 - 110.0 and VertRefresh  50.0 - 160.0
[03:46] <zabu\buiten> q: why doesn't ubuntu find my cdrom @ install??? how ever he boots from it ? :s help?
[03:46] <kensai> zabu\buiten: the pc is the one that boots not ubuntu
[03:47] <bob2> zabu\buiten: your bios boots the cd
[03:47] <zabu\buiten> it's a shuttle
[03:47] <bob2> zabu\buiten: ask on the list
[03:48] <zabu\buiten> oh ic, i also changed my cd-drive but no change
[03:48] <wfx> Zimpee, look at this example http://www.pastebin.com/117357
[03:49] <Zimpee> yes
[03:49] <Zimpee> thanks
[03:49] <Zimpee> and this sets the global frequency? ya know what i am speakin' about?
[03:50] <Zimpee> 1 number, not 2
[03:50] <zabu\buiten> bob2: what list?
[03:51] <zabu\buiten> nvm
[03:51] <wfx> Zimpee, in gnome is utility that do it for you computer/systemconfiguration/
[03:52] <wfx> Zimpee, dont know how the last is in english named (i use german)
[03:52] <netmonk> how can i set my sound card, when I try to opne Volume control ti tells me: Error: Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found
[03:52] <zabu\buiten> bob2: do you maybe know what the problem could be ?
[03:54] <Zimpee> wfx : i found it: Screen resolution:)
[03:55] <wfx> Zimpee, by hand it was anything with 1600x1200@85 (example and not sure if this right)
[03:58] <wfx> Zimpee, oh nice so it works :-)
[03:58] <Kal_Zakath> hi
[03:58] <Kal_Zakath> I can't set my locales correctly
[03:59] <Kal_Zakath> does anybody has problem with locales ??
[03:59] <Kal_Zakath> I of course did -dpkg-reconfigure locales
[03:59] <Kal_Zakath> dpkg-reconfigure locales
[03:59] <LinuxJones> Kal_Zakath, dpkg-reconfigure locales
[03:59] <Kal_Zakath> nopr
[03:59] <Kal_Zakath> nope
[03:59] <Kal_Zakath> doesn't work
[03:59] <LinuxJones> Kal_Zakath, you can try dpkg-reconfigure console-data
[03:59] <Kal_Zakath> I still have problems
[04:00] <Kal_Zakath> nope, same problem
[04:00] <Kal_Zakath> I have messages like this all the time :
[04:00] <Kal_Zakath> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[04:00] <Kal_Zakath> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[04:00] <Kal_Zakath>         LANGUAGE = "fr_BE:fr_FR:fr:en_GB:en",
[04:00] <Kal_Zakath>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[04:00] <Kal_Zakath>         LANG = "fr_FR"
[04:01] <Kal_Zakath>     are supported and installed on your system.
[04:01] <Kal_Zakath> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[04:01] <Kal_Zakath> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[04:01] <Kal_Zakath> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[04:01] <Kal_Zakath> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[04:01] <wfx> Kal_Zakath, use http://www.pastebin.com/
[04:02] <Kal_Zakath> well that's all
[04:02] <Kal_Zakath> sorry
[04:02] <Kal_Zakath> didn't saw that
[04:11] <Kal_Zakath> well
[04:11] <Kal_Zakath> nevermind for the locales
[04:11] <Kal_Zakath> it was my fault
[04:11] <Kal_Zakath> a rotten zshenv file
[04:11] <SilvioTO> hi, I have a problem... I don't find help on the forums. my external modem usrobotics 56k on com1 is recognized by ubuntu install version, but don't activate it.
[04:13] <bob2> what would activating it entail?
[04:13] <WW> Where is the correct place to suggest changes or corrections to the main Ubuntu web page?  ubuntu-doc mailing list? Bugzilla?
[04:13] <bob2> what sort of changes/
[04:14] <WW> bob2: There is a page with a nice description of main, restricted and universe, but it doesn't include multiverse.
[04:14] <SilvioTO> this is my post in forum...
[04:14] <SilvioTO> Hi, I'm installed ubuntu for i386 on my pc.
[04:14] <SilvioTO> the problem is internet connection on US Robotics 56k EXTERNAL on serial port 1.
[04:14] <SilvioTO> In gnome network setting, the modem automatically recognized in /dev/ttyS0 (modem o tranfer cable), device ppp0. I'm setup account, trying to activate device, modem regulary dial number of isp, connect, and 1 second after disconnect.
[04:15] <bob2> WW: ubuntu-doc, I guess
[04:15] <bob2> if you have text you want on there, I can add it (I think)
[04:15] <biollo> internal pci isdn don work
[04:17] <kensai> how can I do the n with the ~ on top?
[04:17] <kensai> I also speak spanish and need that letter
[04:18] <kalle_> people
[04:18] <kalle_> im running ubuntu on my ibook.
[04:18] <kalle_> i got two partitions
[04:18] <kalle_> can i merge these partitions?
[04:18] <kalle_> i dont care about the data on one of them
[04:18] <bob2> depends
[04:18] <bob2> on the filesystem and the ordering
[04:18] <kalle_> on what?
[04:19] <bob2> ext2/3 and xfs can expand upwards
[04:19] <kalle_> hda4 is my root. ext3
[04:20] <kalle_> hda5 is 50GB disk i want to extend to hda4
[04:20] <kalle_> so to speak
[04:20] <bob2> you want to delete hdaW5 and extend 4 up into that space?
[04:20] <kalle_> right
[04:20] <[Mirak] > how many gigs you got on that ibook?
[04:20] <kalle_> 80
[04:20] <bob2> mine has 60
[04:20] <[Mirak] > hmmm
[04:21] <bob2> use mac-fdisk to delete hda5
[04:21] <bob2> carefully
[04:21] <bob2> back everything up before you do this
[04:21] <Matt|> hi: quick question. When I install a package and it doesn't get added to the gnome menu automatically, can i file a bug, or should i just stfu?
[04:21] <bob2> Matt|: you can send a patch, I guess
[04:22] <[Mirak] > Matt|, id ont believe that they all get added......have to do it manually
[04:22] <bob2> not sure if it will be accepted or not
[04:22] <matt__> does Ubuntu come with a compiler? I can't find cc, gcc, or anything...
[04:22] <Matt|> bob2, i am not experienced with debian so can't make a patch
[04:22] <[Mirak] > Matt|, at least thats what i was told
[04:22] <crimsun> matt__: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:22] <kalle_> matt, apt-get install gcc
[04:22] <bob2> matt__: install build-essential
[04:22] <matt__> ah, thx both
[04:22] <Matt|> [Mirak] , yes that is true, but i think that the aim is to have most packages added to the menu automatically: they just don't get round to doing them all: there are too many!
[04:23] <bob2> erm
[04:23] <bob2> in Debian they are all in the menu
[04:23] <bob2> that was disabled explicitly in ubuntu
[04:23] <kalle_> so i delete hda5 and hda4, then re-create hda4 spanning the whole disc?
[04:23] <[Mirak] > Matt|, oh....
[04:23] <Matt|> bob2, oh i c, it is intentional?
[04:23] <kalle_> ext3 wont go die on me?
[04:23] <[Mirak] > bob2, any idea why?
[04:23] <bob2> kalle_: NO
[04:23] <bob2> [Mirak] : because it makes the debian menu enormous
[04:23] <Matt|> lol
[04:24] <bob2> kalle_: I did not say to delete hda4
[04:24] <kalle_> bob2, you didnt say nothing, thats why im asking :)
[04:24] <Matt|> bob2, but if people install packages which are outside the base system, do you think that they should join the menu automatically?
[04:24] <Matt|> kalle_, <bob2> use mac-fdisk to delete hda5
[04:24] <bob2> Matt|: no
[04:24] <[Mirak] > bob2, is there an EASY way to add them?, or just this PATCH you speak off
[04:25] <bob2> [Mirak] : applications:/// in nautilus
[04:25] <Matt|> bob2, why not?
[04:25] <kalle_> but deleting one partiotion wont make another partition grow?
[04:25] <bob2> kalle_: read what I said
[04:25] <stuNNed> bob2, reason why abiword wasn't added to the menu?
[04:25] <Matt|> easytag is also not added to the menu
[04:25] <bob2> stuNNed: it doesn't have a .desktop file, I guess
[04:25] <bob2> Matt|: because the debian menu is huge and unwieldly
[04:25] <bob2> Matt|: tho I don't care much either way, I never use the men uanyway
[04:25] <bob2> (plus it's not my decision)
[04:25] <xf_> howdy. know this sounds odd, but is there a known issue with some machines where ubuntu installs off cd media slowly? i can install windows/debian stable on the machine fine, cdrom is fine, hardware checks ok
[04:25] <shank_> how do i put my laptop alseep?
[04:26] <Matt|> hmm
[04:26] <bob2> kalle_: as I said, use ext2fsresize or whatever it's called
[04:26] <xf_> a top shows about 10% cpu usage. not sure where the issue is. guess it's a bug with the new debian installer or something
[04:26] <bob2> shank_: does your laptop support that under linux?
[04:26] <shank_> it did with apm
[04:26] <shank_> not sure about acpi
[04:26] <[Mirak] > shank_, i believe it may be an adventure...so suit up
[04:26] <xf_> system is a duron 800, 512mb ram, via chipset. cd drive is a 32X sony cdrw
[04:26] <kalle_> bob2, ah, didnt see that
[04:26] <Matt|> bob2, but in answer to my question, i shouldn't file a bug?
[04:26] <kalle_> thabks
[04:26] <bob2> Matt|: I don't think it's considered a bug
[04:27] <RageMax> does anyone else experience a delay when hitting alt+F2 for the "run" application and typing in text?
[04:27] <Matt|> bob2, yeah that's what i thought
[04:27] <bob2> Matt|: you can if you like, and someone will tell you they disagree
[04:27] <bob2> Matt|: or ask on the list
[04:27] <Matt|> bob2, oh yeah better idea
[04:27] <bob2> I have nothing to do with the distro, I just know what I hear
[04:27] <Matt|> bob2, oh i c
[04:27] <Matt|> bob2, i thought you were a developer
[04:27] <[Mirak] > bob2, thought you were dev?
[04:27] <bob2> Matt|: not on ubuntu
[04:27] <Matt|> developers should get ops in here
[04:27] <bob2> Matt|: we do
[04:28] <Matt|> we?
[04:28] <Matt|> are you one or not
[04:28] <bob2> = canonical staff
[04:28] <[Mirak] > lol
[04:28] <Matt|> ah
[04:28] <xf_> anyone?
[04:28] <bob2> xf_: does disabling the archive copier help?
[04:28] <Matt|> bob2, i mean ubuntu developers should get ops, which are visible ;p
[04:28] <bob2> Matt|: why?
[04:28] <stuNNed> Matt|, h*ll no i say
[04:28] <bob2> visible ops is pointless
[04:28] <crimsun> xf_: DMA is not enabled by default for ATAPI cd-roms
[04:28] <stuNNed> yeah
[04:28] <stuNNed> pointless
[04:29] <bob2> if people want to be fucks, they can be banned easily either way
[04:29] <Matt|> bob2, it's not for that
[04:29] <[Mirak] > bob2, do canocial staff get paid to hang in the room?....err, do they hang in the rom while on the clock?
[04:29] <stuNNed> when you start opping ppl and voicing ppl then it starts sucking imho
[04:29] <bob2> xf_: archive-copier/copy=false is the boot option to try
[04:29] <Matt|> bob2, it is so that users can see that they are talking to developers or not
[04:29] <bob2> Matt|: does it matter if they know?
[04:29] <shank_> bob2, think i found it, time to try it
[04:29] <shank_> brb
[04:30] <Matt|> for example, i asked you questions about ubuntu policy, thinking you were a developer
[04:30] <bob2> [Mirak] : I think they do some support on-the-clock
[04:30] <bob2> Matt|: does it matter if I'm not?
[04:30] <Matt|> it doesn't matter
[04:30] <bob2> I'm still a debian maintainer
[04:30] <thoreauputic> Matt|: if the devs were marked, they would probably get swamped :)
[04:30] <bob2> and I still spend far too much time reading ubuntu lists ;)
[04:30] <Kal_Zakath> <[Mirak] > bob2, do canocial staff get paid to hang in the room?....err, do they hang in the rom while on the clock? <--- I want to find a job where I can hang on irc all day long, but I don't think that exist :D
[04:30] <stuNNed> Matt|, why do you want ops? this is freenode, better w/out them imho
[04:31] <Matt|> thoreauputic, yeah that is the downside
[04:31] <[Mirak] > bob2, kk...thnx :)
[04:31] <Matt|> stuNNed, you are misunderstanding me
[04:31] <[Mirak] > Kal_Zakath, i hang in the room all day whilst im at work.....
[04:31] <bob2> Kal_Zakath: hah
[04:31] <Kal_Zakath> yaeh, so do I, but it's isn't really what I'm supposed to do :D
[04:32] <Matt|> i wanna job like you guys
[04:32] <[Mirak] > Kal_Zakath, supposed to.....ha.....
[04:32] <bob2> Matt|: I can pass along your op suggestion if you like, though
[04:32] <Matt|> bob2, well actually i have been convinced by thoreauputic's counter-argument
[04:32] <bob2> Matt|: (I wasn't taking it personally, just curious as to what you see the the advantage to be)
[04:33] <Matt|> lol
[04:33] <bob2> well, swamping is a problem
[04:33] <Matt|> bob2, yup
[04:33] <bob2> but the ubuntu developers are well-known
[04:33] <bob2> but @ is a lot more obvious than "oh, I know who that is"
[04:33] <Matt|> bob2, you are right, the best place for ubuntu policy questions is the mail list
[04:34] <bob2> Matt|: yeah
[04:34] <bob2> the developers are far more likely to see it therwe
[04:34] <xf_> bob2: will try, ta
[04:34] <Matt|> bob2, just to make it clear, my suggestion (now retracted) was not because the developers are better at solving problems than anyone else
[04:34] <Matt|> i wasn't dissing your geek skillz
[04:34] <rebirth> using oss or alsa, how do i reset the levels for bass/treble and pcm? :x
[04:34] <bob2> Matt|: hah, I know
[04:35] <Matt|> ;p
[04:35] <Matt|> i gtg
[04:35] <Matt|> laters all
[04:35] <bob2> Matt|: more as a "since they're paid to do it, they know which way the decision was made"
[04:35] <bob2> cya.
[04:36] <stuNNed> bob2, im my exp with other channs first it starts out @ops then voiced folks then this whole hierarchy thing starts which is pointless imho on freenode at least
[04:37] <bob2> yeah, I'm against it on that principle
[04:37] <kalle_> anyone running MOL? how do i create a HFS-partition on linux?
[04:41] <kent> rebirth, The gnome volume control?
[04:41] <rebirth> reset them, to their defaults
[04:41] <rebirth> i tweaked the shit out of it and it sounds awful in movies, so i want to reset then
[04:42] <wfx> hmmm, please how can i use my dv with ieee1394 and kino (found no dev in /dev but modluses are loaded)
[04:49] <wfx>  where do i find the device entry for ieee1394 (is it in /sys/bus/ieee1394/ ?).
[04:50] <synapse> hey, how do I make a bash script run whenever i log into Gnome?
[04:51] <weasello> is there any sort of fun physicsy game out there for linux? something like... with gravity or something? :)
[04:51] <kent> synapse,  in the session properties?
[04:51] <synapse> ok thanks
[04:51] <matt__> woo hoo. i love it when a compile comes together.
[04:52] <eim> Anyone in here got a PcTel base WinModem running on Ubuntu? Thanks.
[04:53] <eim> s/base/based/
[04:53] <weasello> What's the ip addy of your own machine again? ;)
[04:54] <thoreauputic> eim: have a look here: http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/welcome.html
[04:54] <weasello> I'm remembering 128.0.0.1
[04:54] <jsanti> hey guys, I've just installed UBUNTU but I need lots of packages from Universe repository, the problem is I have dial-up connection so updating through the net would be veeery slow. Is there any way to burn any ISO images of those repositories so I can download 'em at my work and then update my box at home?  Does ubuntu provide more CDs like debian?
[04:54] <eim> thoreauputic: I've seen the website, thanks. Have you a PcTel WinModem?
[04:55] <thoreauputic> eim: no, mine is Lucent
[04:55] <shad0w913> hi
[04:55] <eim> thoreauputic: Does it work fine? Difficult to set up?
[04:55] <shad0w913> i've been bitten by this bug, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1444
[04:55] <shad0w913> help
[04:56] <kensai> any plans of optimizin ubuntu to i586 or i686?
[04:56] <kent> eim, the jigdo thing might be helpful? I heard of it here..
[04:56] <thoreauputic> eim: actually Dynalink with the lucent chip - it works fine and is pretty easy to set up
[04:56] <thoreauputic> eim: but I'm using Debian, not Ubuntu
[04:57] <eim> thoreauputic: In end it's more or less the same, IMHO.
[04:57] <eim> thoreauputic: Have you compiled external sources to get the whole thing running?
[04:57] <thoreauputic> eim: you might need kernal headers, build-essential and such
[04:58] <eim> thoreauputic: Or are there already some pre-build Debian kernel-modules available?
[04:58] <thoreauputic> *kernel
[04:58] <eim> thoreauputic: Not the entire Linux kernel source?
[04:58] <thoreauputic> eim: for lucent there might be debs
[04:58] <eim> thoreauputic: Fine.
[04:59] <thoreauputic> eim: I'm using a dynalink driver (non-free) that didn't need compiling (binary)
[04:59] <eim> thoreauputic: I once heared there's also one you need to pay for.
[04:59] <WW> weasello: Re: gravity games: Fire up Synaptic and search for "gravity" in "Description and Name". You'll see a few possibilities.
[05:00] <thoreauputic> eim: I meant non-free as in "speech" :)
[05:00] <thoreauputic> eim: http://www.dynalink.com.au/support/linux.htm
[05:00] <eim> thoreauputic: Yes, I understod. Anyway there were also some drivers you have to pay for unfortunately.
[05:01] <thoreauputic> eim: looks like dynalink have dropped support anyway :(
[05:01] <eim> thoreauputic: Argh.
[05:02] <thoreauputic> eim: probably couldn't be bothered with the 2.6 kernel because it doesn't work with proprietary drivers
[05:03] <eim> thoreauputic: You could "force" the module to load anyway.
[05:03] <shad0w913> anyone?
[05:04] <thoreauputic> eim: better link for lucent drivers: http://www.heby.de/ltmodem
[05:09] <keknehv> When I try to load 3d applicaties (e.g., tuxracer) I get the error message:"Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"." (among other things
[05:10] <keknehv> But I think it should be "1:0:0, not :0:0"
[05:10] <Kal_Zakath> keknehv : your 3D card isn't recognised
[05:10] <keknehv> So how do I change that setting?
[05:10] <daniels> no, it should be :0.0
[05:10] <Kal_Zakath> what does glxinfo say ?
[05:11] <vortex25> hey I'm looking for what extra repositories people recommend, for instance i'm looking for one that has monkey-bubble and especially one that has helix player
[05:11] <shank_> how do i get apm module to load at boot?
[05:11] <keknehv> it gives me a bunch of "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"."s, among other things
[05:11] <shank_> update-modules manpage isn't any help
[05:11] <shank_> ok, /etc/modules i assume
[05:11] <thoreauputic> shank_: pu it in /etc/modules
[05:11] <shank_> thoreauputic, :-)
[05:11] <thoreauputic> *put
[05:12] <keknehv> I was having trouble with my graphics before...
[05:12] <Kal_Zakath> keknehv : what is your 3D card ?
[05:12] <shad0w913> ...
[05:12] <keknehv> It's a pci Geforce3
[05:12] <shad0w913> can anyone help me?
[05:12] <shad0w913> hello
[05:12] <shad0w913> blah blah blah
[05:12] <shad0w913> can anyone hear me?
[05:12] <keknehv> Ubuntu was confusing it with my built in Intel Extreme...
[05:12] <Kal_Zakath> did you install nvidia drivers ?
[05:12] <vortex25> yes
[05:12] <keknehv> Yes
[05:13] <keknehv> But before that, I copied the X settings from the live CD, which WAS working
[05:13] <Kal_Zakath> it seems that it isn't installed right
[05:13] <shad0w913> ok, i need to know how to get cpu scaling to work
[05:13] <thoreauputic> shad0w913: evidently not -at the moment anyway. And repeating won't help
[05:13] <shad0w913> powernowd doesn't work
[05:13] <shad0w913> ok
[05:13] <keknehv> I changed the driver from "nv" to "nvidia" and disabled "glcore" "glx" and "dri"
[05:13] <Kal_Zakath> shad0w913 : what's your cpu ?
[05:14] <keknehv> Me?
[05:14] <Kal_Zakath> shad0w913
[05:14] <keknehv> oh... So how should I go about installing the drivers?
[05:14] <Kal_Zakath> keknehv : never had nvidia cards, so I can't really help
[05:15] <keknehv> ok... I guess I'll have to go BACK to that ... BinaryDriverHowTo page...
[05:15] <shad0w913> Kal_Zakath: my cpu is an intel p3
[05:16] <Kal_Zakath> shad0w913 : I got my cpu scaling working fine
[05:16] <Kal_Zakath> on a centrino
[05:16] <Kal_Zakath> but I had to recompile my own custom kernel
[05:16] <shad0w913> well the cpu monitor applet says my cpu is operating at 1123234124ghz
[05:16] <matt__> anyone know how I install SMB support?
[05:16] <shad0w913> and at -124235123512%
[05:17] <matt__> the networking tab tells me it's not installed
[05:17] <Kal_Zakath> shad0w913 : it was the same for me with out-of-the-box install
[05:17] <aitrus> shad0w913: i have that same problem (on an older laptop)
[05:17] <Kal_Zakath> with a recompiled kernel it works fine
[05:17] <shad0w913> Kal_Zakath: any tutorials on how to recompile the kernel? and what settings should I change during the recompile?
[05:18] <mjr> matt__, you need samba
[05:18] <matt__> i tried compiling and installing samba, but no go
[05:18] <Kal_Zakath> shad0w913 : if you never did that before it's a bit complicated
[05:18] <shad0w913> uhoh, lol
[05:18] <Kal_Zakath> there are a lot of howto about kernel compil
[05:18] <mjr> matt__, umm, why compile? Install the Ubuntu package
[05:18] <shad0w913> well if there's a tutorial, i can probably figure it out ;)
[05:18] <Kal_Zakath> mjr : are you kiding ?
[05:19] <ketsugi> Hi, I have a question about the Ubuntu installer's partitioning system... if I want to install to an existing NTFS HDD and repartition without losing any data on the existing partition, can it do that?
[05:19] <matt__> yeah, i tried that first :) but i'll try again
[05:19] <daniels> Kal_Zakath: why would he be?
[05:19] <Kal_Zakath> shad0w913 : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto
[05:19] <ketsugi> I assume that the Ubuntu partition utility uses the ntfs-resize thing, but I thought I'd check before I try it
[05:19] <daniels> i suggest not recompiling your kernel
[05:19] <Kal_Zakath> mjr : sorry
[05:19] <shad0w913> Kal_Zakath: do i need to change any settings or anything, or will recompiling fix my prob?
[05:19] <daniels> if your cpufreq display is wrong, that's not fantastic, but seriously
[05:19] <Kal_Zakath> I didnt firgured out what you was saying :)
[05:19] <daniels> it's not worth losing security support for your kernel, automatic updates, and all our fixes
[05:20] <matt__> uh-oh, now my synaptic list is empty
[05:20] <aitrus> daniels: do you know off-hand if someone bugzilla'd that issue?
[05:20] <beastmaster> LOOOOLLLLL
[05:21] <shad0w913> daniels: i don't really care if my cpu display is wrong but i want my cpu scaling to work, so my computer doesn't overheat and the battery doesn't drain in an hour
[05:21] <Kal_Zakath> I always used patched vanilla kernels and will certainly always do like this
[05:21] <Kal_Zakath> distro's stock kernels always sucks IMHO
[05:21] <Kal_Zakath> whatever the distro is
[05:21] <ketsugi> um.
[05:21] <ketsugi> Hi, I have a question about the Ubuntu installer's partitioning system... if I want to install to an existing NTFS HDD and repartition without losing any data on the existing partition, can it do that?
[05:21] <daniels> aitrus: not really
[05:22] <matt__> is the stable debian distro down right now?
[05:22] <matt__> i can't load the pkg list
[05:22] <Kal_Zakath> matt__ : nope
[05:22] <Kal_Zakath> works fine
[05:22] <daniels> Kal_Zakath: well, there are professional people who have been doing this for years paid to do it, but sure
[05:22] <vortex25> Hey, anyone get helix player running?
[05:22] <shad0w913> so uh, what should i do?
[05:23] <daniels> shad0w913: file a bug in bugzilla
[05:23] <daniels> what sort of machine?
[05:23] <shad0w913> it's already there
[05:23] <mjr> ketsugi, yes; you need to manually spesify the partitions in that case
[05:23] <Kal_Zakath> daniels, so how do you explain that everytime I use stock kernels, there are problems ? :
[05:23] <shad0w913> i said that at the very beginning
[05:23] <Kal_Zakath> :)
[05:23] <shad0w913> and i wanted a work around
[05:23] <matt__> ok, now it works
[05:23] <shad0w913> i think they fixed it in hoary
[05:23] <mjr> ketsugi, just don't tell it to use the whole disk ;)
[05:23] <shad0w913> but i don't know how to upgrade to hoary
[05:23] <daniels> Kal_Zakath: you're right, I'm sorry
[05:23] <ketsugi> mjr: I need to resize the current partition
[05:23] <Kal_Zakath> lol
[05:23] <Kal_Zakath> shad0w913 : don't
[05:23] <ketsugi> As, in right now I have a single 40gb partition
[05:24] <ketsugi> I want to resize it, and create a new partition with the extra space, without losing any data from the current partition
[05:24] <mjr> ketsugi, ohh, like that. No, you need to shrink the partition first
[05:24] <xf_> is there anything special needed to use universe packages apart from uncommenting relevant lines in apt sources.list and apt-get update?
[05:24] <ketsugi> Okay... how do I go about that?
[05:24] <Kal_Zakath> xf_ : nope
[05:24] <xf_> i can see asterisk, for example, in universe by searching in a web browser, but i can't see it when i apt-cache search for it
[05:24] <xf_> is this intentional, i.e. the packages isn't in the repo's Packages file?
[05:24] <mjr> ketsugi, Partition Magic seems to be the usual answer to that; I don't personally know
[05:24] <xf_> s/isn't/aren't/g
[05:25] <ketsugi> Parition Magic, unfortunately, requires money
[05:25] <jaap> this thing called prez, i believe, does the same thing
[05:25] <Kal_Zakath> xf_ : seems not normal
[05:25] <jaap> years ago i last tried, tho
[05:25] <ketsugi> I'm sure there's some way to do it using open-source/free software
[05:25] <shad0w913> Kal_Zakath: don't what?
[05:25] <jaap> i think prez is for Partition REsiZer
[05:25] <xf_> can anybody else try doing apt-cache search asterisk and see what they get?
[05:26] <Kal_Zakath> shad0w913 : upgrade to hoary
[05:26] <xf_> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/a/asterisk/
[05:26] <xf_> it's definitely there
[05:26] <bob2> xf_: no
[05:26] <mjr> ketsugi, NTFS isn't particularly well supported by any free software
[05:26] <daniels> shad0w913: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, change 'warty' to 'hoary', run sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:26] <stuNNed> xf_,
[05:26] <bob2> it means it's in thepool
[05:26] <stuNNed> # apt-cache search asterisk
[05:26] <stuNNed> libiax-dev - An implementation of the Inter-Asterisk eXchange protocol (devel)
[05:26] <stuNNed> libiax0 - An implementation of the Inter-Asterisk eXchange protocol
[05:26] <xf_> also, some packages seem a bit out of date - openwebmail for example, only at 1.32 (And 1.41 is out now, i think)
[05:26] <bob2> it says nothing aboutwheather it's in some random version of ubuntu
[05:26] <bob2> xf_: oh, come on
[05:26] <xf_> stuNNed: same as what i get.  why isn't it showing up, it's definitely there in the pool
[05:27] <bob2> xf_: universe was frozen in june
[05:27] <JeffreyB> Has anyone had success upgrading Warty to Sid?
[05:27] <ubuntu-nubiee> anybody out there willing to help me get ubuntu to recognize my second hd?
[05:27] <bob2> JeffreyB: it won't work
[05:27] <kalle_> bob2, you think parted will do the trick for me? resizeing my partition that is.
[05:27] <xf_> ah. so security fixes are backported? openwebmail 2.3x has a security exploit
[05:27] <bob2> ubuntu-nubiee: change your nick and/or ask on the list
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[05:27] <thoreauputic> JeffreyB: if you want to run Sid, use Debian
[05:27] <bob2> xf_: yes
[05:27] <shad0w913> Kal_Zakath: Can I follow this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelBuildpackageHowto --- or will that not help?
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[05:27] <ubuntu-nubiee> change my nick?
[05:27] <bob2> xf_: but universe has no security support
[05:28] <bob2> ubuntu-nubiee: having such a stupid nick does discourage people from helping you
[05:28] <ubuntu-nubiee> why, cuz it's long?
[05:28] <ubuntu-nubiee> okay
[05:28] <xf_> bob2: hm, fair enough i guess, but a lot of packages people depend on are in universe. particular for webhosting
[05:28] <Nefarous> New install question, it says I'm running 2.6.8.1-3-386, there is a bug that is fixed in 2.6.8.1-9, how do I upgrade to this version of the kernel, it's not in my apt list, do I have to go to "universe" for that?
[05:28] <bob2> xf_: you can certainly offer to pay to have them supported
[05:28] <xf_> any idea why asterisk isn't showing up in apt-cache searches (Apart from it not being in the Packages file)?
[05:28] <bob2> xf_: or watch debian's security list and fix them yourself
[05:28] <bob2> Nefarous: no
[05:29] <bob2> xf_: erm, the definition of "showing up in apt-cache searches" is being in the PAckages file
[05:29] <shank_> bob2, btw got everything working mostly smoothly here
[05:29] <shank_> ubuntu++
[05:29] <mtl> how can i get scandinavic characters to work in ubuntu ?
[05:29] <bob2> xf_: if it's not in the warty/universe PAckages file, it's not in warty/universe
[05:29] <xf_> bob2: i realise that. what i mean though is it's evident /why/ technically it's now showing up, but why isn't it there?
[05:29] <shank_> bob2, seems as though ubuntu fixed/changed most things i disliked about debian
[05:29] <xf_> hm, why would it be in pool, then?
[05:30] <thoreauputic> xf_: if you really need it, it's in Debian testing and unstable
[05:30] <bob2> xf_: the pool contains packages for all versions of ubuntu
[05:30] <bob2> shank_: cool
[05:30] <xf_> oh, i see
[05:30] <xf_> so this is a hoary package, presumably?
[05:30] <bob2> no idea
[05:30] <bob2> are you sure it's ont in the PAckages file?
[05:30] <xf_> hm. hoary is still rather unstable though, yeah?
[05:30] <Nefarous> bob2: no, ok ... so is there an unstable flag I should add to my sources then?
[05:30] <xf_> well, it's not showing up in apt-cache search
[05:31] <xf_> i assume it's not in the packages file
[05:31] <bob2> Nefarous: no
[05:31] <kalle_> mtl, select language profile in gdm
[05:31] <shank_> bob2, the problem i was having last night is that nero/windows wasn't burning the image properly
[05:31] <xf_> i'll wget it and grep for it, one sec
[05:31] <bob2> xf_: why don't you check, or at least show us your sources.list?
[05:31] <bob2> (not in here)
[05:31] <kalle_> mtl, you might want to edit out utf8 from the locales.alias in /etc/X11/gdm
[05:31] <bob2> shank_: hah, thought so
[05:31] <jriver> okay, i'm back with my hd question
[05:31] <xf_> my sources list is stock, only change is i removed the cdrom line and uncommented deb and deb-src universe lines
[05:31] <shank_> bob2, yeah, luckily i had a usb-cd-burner, so i just burned it in linux using that
[05:31] <mtl> kalle okra
[05:32] <bob2> Nefarous: have you "apt-get update'd?
[05:32] <bob2> shank_: ah, right
[05:32] <jriver> i have a primary hd, i'm not sure if it's scsi, but it's /dev/sda (so at least emulated) and then i have a second ide that ubuntu has yet to recognize
[05:32] <jriver> i don't really know where to start
[05:32] <Nefarous> bob2: yes, but maybe I didn't add the right sources ...
[05:32] <jriver> grub?
[05:32] <bob2> Nefarous: the kernel you should be using is in main
[05:33] <shank_> bob2, i love the way it handles root priveleges
[05:33] <shank_> bob2, one of the things i liked about os x
[05:33] <bob2> shank_: yeah, sudo by default rocks
[05:33] <xf_> hm, ok
[05:33] <Nefarous> bob2: ok, so I have to wait for -9 to get "released" then?
[05:33] <xf_> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[05:33] <bob2> Nefarous: no
[05:33] <xf_> grabbed that, ungzipped it, grepped for asterisk
[05:33] <bob2> Nefarous: warty will only get new kernels for security issues
[05:33] <xf_> all i see is mentions of it in some other packages
[05:33] <mir> Is there a way to temporarly enable ip_forward for a test ?
[05:34] <xf_> and one Suggests: line, presumably for one of those libraries
[05:34] <shank_> bob2, now to see if i can't convince some ppl to add some debian packages to universal
[05:34] <yaxu> hi all, could someone help with a postfix problem?  i'm trying to get it to listen to eth0 rather than just localhost, and "inet_interfaces = all" in main.cf didn't do the job
[05:34] <bob2> mir: echo 1 > /proc/net/../ip_forward
[05:34] <bob2> (as root)
[05:34] <mtl>  yeah
[05:34] <yaxu> can't find it in any faqs, maybe i'm just being stupid
[05:34] <Nefarous> bob2: my source line is ... warty main restricted  (is restricted holding me back?)
[05:34] <xf_> question with universe, is it purely canconical employees that maintain packages, or is the open source community welcome to do so, like debian?
[05:34] <bob2> Nefarous: no
[05:34] <mir> bob2: I tried but I get access denied, both as user and root (sudo)
[05:34] <bob2> xf_: read the faq, it's being sorted out
[05:34] <xf_> ok, cool
[05:34] <bob2> it will involve random non-canonical people
[05:35] <yaxu> the faq says postfix only listens on localhost by default, but doesn't say how to change that default
[05:37] <xf_> ok, another stupid question. i assume ubuntu provides meta-packages for installing things such a compliation enviroment, et al. where would i find these?
[05:37] <xf_> the names of, even
[05:37] <bob2> install build-essential
[05:37] <bob2> there's no generic list
[05:37] <crimsun> xf_: feel free to add it to the faq
[05:37] <xf_> ah, joys of a wiki. ta.
[05:38] <polytan> re
[05:38] <xf_> i'm kind of looking for the holy grail of linux distro's, i guess. minimal fuss with maintained packages, decent support, having a commercial backing is nice
[05:38] <shad0w913> "At this point, you need to change your kernel's configuration to statically include your bus, disk, and filesystem drivers. This can be rather difficult if you don't know what you're doing. Use "make menuconfig" (or "make xconfig", gconfig, etc.) to change the config."
[05:38] <shad0w913> uhoh, how do i do that?
[05:38] <xf_> i'm picky, but i'm always happy to put money/work where my mouth is
[05:39] <bob2> shad0w913: what are you trying to do?
[05:40] <dooteo> hi folks
[05:40] <bob2> does dmesg detect them?
[05:41] <dooteo> I've go Advansys SCSI card with 2 CD drivers, but it looks like ubuntu can't find them (scsi card appears on "Device manager" hardware list)
[05:41] <dooteo> and nautilus is not able too
[05:41] <sjoerd> dooteo: do the appear in /proc/scsi/scsi
[05:41] <stuNNed> hmmm `cat /proc/cpuinfo` says i'm running at 1.2ghz when my cpu is 1.8ghz and using power chord, not battery, any ideas?
[05:41] <bob2> does dmesg see the drives?
[05:41] <xf_> bob2: generally curious, you a canconical employee btw, or a keen ubuntu developer?
[05:41] <shad0w913> bob2: recompile the kernel
[05:42] <bob2> stuNNed: use something that will run up your cpu
[05:42] <bob2> xf_: canonical.
[05:42] <xf_> s/developer/user/g, assuming you develop though
[05:42] <bob2> shad0w913: why?
[05:42] <xf_> ah, ok, makes sense
[05:42] <stuNNed> bob2, aha! thanks :D
[05:42] <xf_> do you guys get paid to support us here, or you do it out of love? :p
[05:42] <yaxu> ok, i think i found my postfix problem, need to edit master.cf
[05:43] <shad0w913> bob2: do you have IMs blocked or something?
[05:43] <JeffreyB> Any gottchas to installing VMware on Warty?
[05:44] <bob2> xf_: I'm not, others may be
[05:44] <bob2> shad0w913:
[05:44] <jriver> can somebody help me get ubuntu to recognize /dev/hda?  i have a /dev/sda (where / is)
[05:44] <bob2> shad0w913: "IM"?
[05:44] <shad0w913> instant message, private message, w/e
[05:44] <nubi> hi
[05:44] <bob2> if you mean "people /msg'ing me for private support", then no, I just ignore them
[05:44] <bob2> since it's rude and silly
[05:44] <nubi> how can I change the GDM resolution?
[05:44] <shad0w913> oh
[05:45] <eim> Are the 2.6.8 kernel sources and headers available on the Warty CD?
[05:45] <shad0w913> w/e
[05:45] <shad0w913> anyway
[05:45] <bob2> shad0w913: why are you trying to recompile your kernel?
[05:45] <thoreauputic> shad0w913: you should always ask
[05:45] <shad0w913> bob2: because kal told me too, i need to get cpu scaling to work, among other things
[05:45] <bob2> shad0w913: no, you do not need to recompile it to get cpufreq to work
[05:45] <dooteo> bob2: on boot SCSi subsystem is initialized but can't found it's CD drivers, so perhaps SCSi card's is requesting some holidays ;)
[05:45] <shad0w913> bob2: then what do i need to do?
[05:46] <bob2> dooteo: does it work under another OS?
[05:46] <bob2> shad0w913: nothing, it's already happening
[05:46] <bob2> shad0w913: powernowd will scale it as you use your cpu
[05:46] <nubi> PLEASE can some1 at least try to answer my question? :-(
[05:46] <JeffreyB> Oh - I see one gottcha to VMware.. UDEV...
[05:46] <eim> Can anyone tell me on the fly if I'll find the Linux 2.6.8 kernel source and headers on the Warty CD? I need it for a machine which has no network access.
[05:46] <shank_> bob2, i don't think i've ever gotten a linux installed and ready to use for development this fast
[05:46] <bob2> nubi: why do you want to change it?
[05:46] <bob2> shank_: hah
[05:46] <shad0w913> bob2: then why does the monitor tell me i'm using -124124235% cpu
[05:46] <thoreauputic> nubi: you've been here for what, 2 minues since you asked?
[05:47] <thoreauputic> *minutes
[05:47] <nubi> thoreauputic and?
[05:47] <bob2> nubi: you need to be a bit patient
[05:47] <bob2> nubi: since you're asking for help from strangers, who you will never meet or repay
[05:47] <nubi> bob2 i'm sorry :(
[05:47] <dooteo> bob2: this morning it works with progeny (but sometimes, months ago, it doesn't work with mandrake).
[05:47] <bob2> as it so happens, I'm mounting the cd to check for eim, and trying to figure out what nubi is doing
[05:47] <daniels> shad0w913: it's highly unlikely you're actually using that amount of CPU time
[05:47] <kent> nubi, you can change it in /etc/XF86Config-4, i think
[05:47] <bob2> dooteo: ah, very weird
[05:48] <nubi> bob2 i need it to set lower due to default values are 1600*1200 and my monitor cant handle it without problems :(
[05:48] <xf_> daniels: howdy
[05:48] <daniels> shad0w913: just as if my laptop was actually running at 1THz in Oxford, I probably would've noticed due to the heat factor
[05:48] <bob2> nubi: daniels knows about that
[05:48] <shad0w913> daniels: I kno, but i want it to work right :p
[05:48] <nubi> kent no I can't :(
[05:48] <daniels> xf_: yo
[05:48] <bob2> :-)
[05:48] <daniels> alright, I have to head off now
[05:48] <nubi> bob2 whos daniels?
[05:48] <kent> nubi, well, i could. How come you cant? What did you do?
[05:48] <eim> bob2: Thanks. apt-cache search kernel-source shows me that the latest available kernel-source are the one for 2.6.7. Where are the sources for 2.6.8? Warty is shipped with 2.6.8.
[05:49] <daniels> bob2: if you can walk him through nuking HorizSync/VertRefresh, I'll buy you a drink at Fabric
[05:49] <dooteo> bob2: I'm gonna halt the system and 'sleep' the card. Perhaps in the next boot it works fine (I hope:)
[05:49] <bob2> daniels: find line. dd. :wq?
[05:49] <bob2> eim: the headers are
[05:49] <dooteo> thanks to all, C U
[05:49] <nubi> Kent okay, tell me please how can I change these settings only for GDM?
[05:49] <eim> bob2: Fine. And the source?
[05:49] <bob2> eim: in ubuntu they're linux-source, linux-headers, etc
[05:49] <eim> bob2: Got it. Thanks.
[05:50] <Hikaru79|Sleep> How can I set up a printer through a TCP/IP port using CUPS?
[05:50] <bob2> eim: the source is not, but you don't needthat to compile modules
[05:50] <bob2> nubi: why only for gdm?
[05:50] <eim> bob2: I hope so. To be sure I'll copy the source on a CD/RW.
[05:50] <thoreauputic> Hikaru79: localhost:631 from memeory
[05:50] <bob2> Hikaru79: you mean "How can I get my local machine to use a remote printer?"?
[05:51] <eim> bob2: Whay are they called linux-source and linux-headers in Ubuntu? And not kernel-source as in Debian.
[05:51] <kent> nubi, Well, say you want gdm to use 1024x768, then make sure it in the XF86Config-4.
[05:51] <Hikaru79> bob2, yes.
[05:51] <nubi> bob2 because i allready have 1152*864 at my account. But not in GDM. And when I log out into GDM, my begins to do weird things :(
[05:51] <bob2> Hikaru79: go to http://localhost:631/ in your browser
[05:51] <nubi> Kent thats the problem. Wait, i'll paste you 1 line from that file
[05:51] <bob2> eim: differentiate them and to makeit more obvious what they are, I think
[05:51] <bob2> eim: mainly the former
[05:52] <eim> bob2: ok
[05:52] <bob2> nubi: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, dselect the higher reses
[05:53] <nubi> kent: Modes		"1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480" "640x400" ... I'm currently using 1152*864. Do you see that value in there? I dont.
[05:53] <nubi> kent all depth lines are the same
[05:54] <kent> nubi, what value?  What are the resolution you want to use?
[05:54] <Hikaru79> bob2, it's asking for a CUPS use/pass o_o
[05:54] <nubi> kent I want to use my current resolution :) 1152*846*24
[05:54] <epod> nubi: you can manually edit your x config for the resolution you want
[05:55] <nubi> epod I know, I'm a little confused that I'm currently running a resolution, whis is NOT in that file! :(
[05:55] <kent> nubi, perhaps you should run the command you got from bob2. I changed the resolution simply by deleting 1600x1200 since that was what gdm wanted to run, and its to ugly on my monitor.
[05:55] <robertj> Gnome actually does a decent job with tex sizing and widget layout. I don't run that rez on XP or OS X
[05:55] <nubi> kent same problem as I have :)
[05:56] <kent> nubi, or add the resolution to there. Write 1152x846  and change the default depth.
[05:56] <Hikaru79> bob2, you there?
[05:57] <kent> nubi, if its running 1600x1200 and you dont want it to, just delete 1600x1200 from that line.
[05:57] <epod> ALSA is pissing me off, my master volume control is, for some reason, my headphone volume control.  Like wtf.
[05:57] <nubi> kent yes it could be good then I thing ... but I'm really confused that my system doesn't do, what is written in config files. Where it got that it can run at my current resolution? I'm happy that it works but i'm really interested from where this setting came
[05:57] <jordi> epod: driver?
[05:58] <kent> nubi, configuring X is kind of hard.  I realy think the people developing X should take some time to configure an easy way to configure it..
[05:58] <nubi> kent I want to know, what happens in my comp. Thats the reason I switched to linux years ago
[05:58] <epod> jordi: Intel 8x0 or something.. my soundcard is an onboard thing in my notebook, and under windows I can change what jack outputs what with software, so it's probably related to that.  It's just annoying.
[05:58] <bob2> Hikaru79: do not /msg people without asking
[05:58] <bob2> Hikaru79: I have no idea what it is
[05:58] <Hikaru79> oh... sorry
[05:58] <bob2> Hikaru79: probably root and your original password
[05:58] <bob2> or admin
[06:00] <epod> jordi: It's a 'Sigmatel C-Major Audio' but iirc it uses the intel driver.
[06:00] <ic1> I'm running warty on a dell 600m, everything works great except for the lid sensor. Whenever I press and release it the computer freezes. I've emptied the lid.sh in /etc/acpi and it still does the same thing. So it could be a problem with acpid itself or something. Ideas?
[06:02] <usual> whats the latest version of evolution
[06:02] <usual> 2.1.0?
[06:02] <nubi> thanks for your help fellas (ladies)
[06:03] <epod> am I going to seriously regret going from warty to hoary at this point in time, were I to do so?
[06:03] <robertj> epod: if you don't have a good reason to, yes
[06:03] <kent> epod, you should regret. There's no point in making your computer unstable.
[06:04] <eim> epod: Why have you switched to hoarty?
[06:04] <epod> I just read on the k3b site that 2.6.8 can't burn audiocds...so that kind of makes warty suck a bit if that's true
[06:04] <epod> eim: I haven't.
[06:04] <eim> epod: Use mp3roaster.
[06:04] <haggai> usual: latest upstream is 2.0.2
[06:04] <bob2> the k3b developers are on a fair bit of crack
[06:05] <usual> haggai, ok, cause hoary is 2.1.0
[06:05] <jriver> ha!  what do you recommend if not k3b?
[06:05] <zenwhen> buying a cd player that can play mp3s
[06:05] <eim> epod: mp3roaster.sf.net -- Burns MP3s, OGGs and FLACs.
[06:05] <zenwhen> loll
[06:05] <kent> epod, well.. i can burn audio-cds with warty. I did it yesterday with k3b. Although i started it as root from a gnome-terminal
[06:05] <epod> eim: ok, what about video dvds?
[06:06] <epod> kent: Ok, then I will declare the k3b devs to be on crack :)  Can't you just chmod +s the k3b bin? (Insecure,  I know, but hey)
[06:06] <eim> epod: No, just Audio CDs. MP3Roaster handles only the formats explained above. It's a CLI tool, no GUI.
[06:06] <epod> eim: ahh ok
[06:07] <epod> eim: I have to have gui, or the gf gets all boggled and complains.  It needs to be easy to use and look nice.  (Gnome does well in that respect)
[06:07] <eim> epod: You can find MP3Roaster in Debian unstable. Not in universe.
[06:07] <eim> epod: I understand
[06:08] <epod> I'll grab it for myself, but I guess I'll need to wrestle with k3b, then once I get it working, figure out how to get it to use the same theme as my gtk w/o installing all of KDE
[06:08] <epod> whee.
[06:08] <epod> :P
[06:08] <robertj> is the Disks menu present in warty?
[06:08] <jriver> sorry to keep bugging, can anybody help with a hd not being recognized?
[06:08] <robertj> under Computer/System Configuration
[06:08] <epod> jriver: define 'not being recognised'
[06:08] <bob2> epod: you can run k3b, you just have to run it as root
[06:08] <vortex25> robertj: is it external?
[06:09] <epod> bob2: ok, I assume chmod +s on the k3b executable would work too?
[06:09] <jordi> epod: hmm, dunno then.
[06:09] <bob2> epod: run it from the applications -> system tools -> root terminal
[06:09] <jriver> vortex25: no internal?
[06:09] <bob2> epod: setuid is one of the things 2.6.8...changed
[06:09] <epod> bob2: it won't work? ack.
[06:09] <vortex25> jriver: not sure then, I thought maybe you were having the same problem I had w/ my external
[06:09] <jriver> i have a /dev/sda which i guess is scsi (it's not an IDE cable)
[06:09] <bob2> jriver: is it thin?
[06:09] <jriver> then i just installed an ide
[06:10] <jriver> bob2: it's a regular 3.5
[06:10] <epod> bob2: I've got no issue running it from a root terminal, it's the other user of the pc that would :)  So setuid is broken (or 'fixed')?
[06:10] <jriver> bob2: no, not thin i guess
[06:10] <bob2> jriver: the cable
[06:10] <jriver> bob2: oh sorry, yes the sda cable is
[06:10] <bob2> jriver: sata, probably
[06:11] <jriver> bob2: sata, yes that's it
[06:11] <bob2> epod: it was a tightening up of security which is too tight for comfort, I guess
[06:11] <jriver> bob2: then i put in an ide, and suse recognized it, but i don't know how to tell ubuntu to
[06:11] <epod> bob2: crap.  *sigh*
[06:12] <Auke|new_to_ubun> hey all
[06:12] <Hikaru79> Hello :
[06:12] <Hikaru79> *:)
[06:12] <usual> http://69.200.178.150:8000/look.png
[06:12] <usual> novell is taking over
[06:13] <usual> hehe
[06:13] <usual> evolution is copyright by them also
[06:13] <jriver> usual: better novell than ms, right?
[06:13] <Auke|new_to_ubun> say, is this where I ask for help on installing ubuntu? ^_^
[06:13] <usual> jriver, oh yea, i'm not complaining
[06:14] <Hikaru79> Yes, Auke|new_to_ubun :)
[06:14] <jriver> Auke|new_to_ubun: yeah sure
[06:14] <thoreauputic> usual: copyright is part of the GPL - not a prob as long as they are using GPL
[06:14] <Auke|new_to_ubun> ghehe, sweet :) Well see :)
[06:14] <Hikaru79> =P
[06:14] <Auke|new_to_ubun> dpkg keeps segfaulting when installing base-passwd
[06:14] <usual> thoreauputic, yea I know...I was just poking fun at novell :)
[06:14] <thoreauputic> usual: :)
[06:15] <jMi> Anyone here know how to get the ivtv module loaded?
[06:15] <jriver> anybody out there have ubuntu with a sata hd and an ide hd?
[06:15] <Auke|new_to_ubun> tried expert installation, custom installation...but no succes really
[06:17] <wm_eddie> How do you install mplayer in ubuntu?
[06:17] <jriver> Auke|new_to_ubun: does it segfault on any of dpkg installs?
[06:17] <Auke|new_to_ubun> (exact error message: subprocess pre-installation  script killed by signal (segmentation fault)
[06:17] <wm_eddie> apt-get install mplayer-686 doesn't work.
[06:17] <burner> wm_eddie, u gotta add a different source
[06:17] <Auke|new_to_ubun> jriver yea, it seems something is wrong with base-passwd_3.5.7_i386
[06:17] <Auke|new_to_ubun> ...?
[06:18] <burner> apt-get.org to search for it
[06:18] <eim> Let's assume Windows overwrote my boot loader. How can I reinstall it using grub (Once rescue booted Ubuntu)? thanks.
[06:18] <burner> eim, man grub
[06:18] <burner> grub-install /dev/hda comes to mind
[06:18] <eim> burner: Tell me something I don't know ;)
[06:19] <eim> burner: Thanks.
[06:19] <burner> not sure
[06:19] <burner> check man page
[06:19] <eim> burner: I'll do.
[06:19] <Auke|new_to_ubun> elm: probably you can do grub-install <device> when botted
[06:19] <stuNNed> eim, boot from rescue disk, chroot into your install, then run grub-install /dev/hda
[06:19] <eim> stuNNed: Fine, thanks.
[06:19] <wm_eddie> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ I'm pretty sure I have that already.
[06:19] <bob2> epod: I think everyone using k3b just runs it as root
[06:19] <burner> wm_eddie, that's it... what's the error you get?
[06:20] <epod> heh 2.6.8 is buggered with regard to cdburning, just did some reading on it.  Ugh.
[06:20] <wm_eddie>   mplayer-686: Depends: mplayer-586 but it is not going to be installed
[06:20] <wm_eddie> E: Broken packages
[06:20] <Auke|new_to_ubun> hmm, perhaps something is wrong with the image I downloaded... is there perhaps some other spot where I can download (perhaps older) images? I assume I can simply upgrade just like debian after installation?
[06:21] <wm_eddie> Auke|new_to_ubun: Bittorrent
[06:21] <epod> bob2: Yeah, it looks like that'll be necessary.  That sucks.  bleh.  I wonder why burning cds in gnome works just fine.
[06:21] <wm_eddie> it does all the verifying you need on the fly.
[06:21] <Auke|new_to_ubun> wm_eddie hmm, got a link to a torrent somewhere? I only say the most current on the website
[06:21] <Striss> could anybody help me out with getting java and a java plugin for firefox to work in Ubuntu PPC?
[06:21] <burner> 2.6.8.1 has cd burning issues?  i just erased a cdrw nd burnt  new one all of 5 minutes ago
[06:22] <bob2> Striss: you read the wiki page?
[06:22] <epod> burner: http://lwn.net/Articles/98379/
[06:22] <Striss> actually i just found a guide on doing it
[06:22] <wm_eddie> There's a ppc java plugin?
[06:22] <Hikaru79> Striss, what is the problem?
[06:22] <Striss> so hopefully it'll work
[06:22] <Hikaru79> Ah, ok :)
[06:23] <Striss> does this seem accurate http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Programming/Installing_Java_on_LinuxPPC.html ?
[06:23] <wm_eddie> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/4.10/release/
[06:23] <bob2> 1.3 is very old
[06:23] <Hikaru79> I get the following error when trying to print through a LinkSys Print Server: Printing: ERRSRV - ERRnoresource (No resources currently available for request.)
[06:23] <jMi> I've built the ivtv.ko module, but when I try to load it I get FATAL: Module ivtv not found. Anyone got any suggestions?
[06:23] <Hikaru79> Any ideas? =(
[06:23] <burner> epod, k3b doesn't use scsi emulation to burn though
[06:23] <wm_eddie> or http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/warty/release/
[06:24] <wm_eddie> I'm one of the warty-release seeders.
[06:24] <wm_eddie> and have been since it came out :)
[06:24] <jriver> nice wm_eddie!
[06:24] <wm_eddie> and I've use that image on four computers now.
[06:25] <Striss> what version is java at now?
[06:25] <Auke|new_to_ubun> mm, thanks wm_eddie, but this is the version I downloaded... and I think somehting might be wrong with it... (possibly only on MY system, but still...)
[06:25] <burner> Striss, 5.0
[06:25] <yann__> burner, but not for ppc....
[06:25] <Striss> eep
[06:26] <burner> oh right, didn't read PPC... nevermind what i said
[06:26] <burner> btw, 5.0 is essentially 1.5
[06:26] <Striss> oh
[06:26] <burner> sun did  version bump
[06:26] <Striss> after i copy the plugin to the firefox plugins dir, do i need to setup anything inside firefox?
[06:26] <Striss> for java
[06:27] <wm_eddie> Striss: nope.
[06:27] <wm_eddie> restart firefox.
[06:27] <Striss> k i'll test it to see if it worked
[06:27] <Auke|new_to_ubun> heh, I'll give your torrent a try wm_eddie  (coming in at 800k/s now :P)
[06:28] <Striss> hmm not working
[06:28] <Auke|new_to_ubun> Well, I'll keep in trying nonethless - thanks for your time and all :] 
[06:28] <yann__> Striss: x86?? in a tutorial i read that you still have to set some kind of symlink... looking for it right now
[06:29] <burner> Auke|new_to_ubun, do an md5sum when done downloading to make sure
[06:29] <Striss> yann__, ppc
[06:29] <robertj> there is a disk check option on the first menu when it boots
[06:29] <Rotund> anyone here do dual monitor as dual screen?
[06:29] <robertj> before you type install or press enter or wait for it to time out
[06:30] <yann__> Striss: which version did you get to work?? 1.3.1 or 1.5/5.0?
[06:30] <Striss> yann__, 1.3.1
[06:30] <WW> Hello world.
[06:30] <yann__> Striss: maybe you still have to do this, here is the tutorial, a little down the page.. http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian
[06:31] <Striss> k i'll check
[06:31] <yann__> trying to install 1.3.1 right now...
[06:32] <WW> After a brief power outage yesterday, I'm looking into UPS/AVR options.  I found an assortment of packages: apcd, apcupsd, genpower, nut-usb, powstatd, upsd.
[06:32] <JDahl> I just installed Ubuntu, I have to say it's great... The only downside for me is that I use the OpenAFS client, and that doesnt compile on a 2.4 kernel.
[06:32] <yann__> to bad there is no java 1.5 for ppc... would have liked to play with the generics a little...
[06:32] <JDahl> sorry.. it doesnt compile on a 2.6 kernel
[06:32] <WW> Any recommendations, or pointers to up-to-date How-Tos?
[06:32] <bob2> yann__: IBM has one
[06:33] <yann__> bob2: got a link?
[06:33] <Striss> yann__, didn't work
[06:33] <bob2> nope
[06:34] <bob2> I may be wrong
[06:35] <crimsun> IBM's JDK 1.5 is slated for next year
[06:35] <bob2> ah
[06:36] <jriver> so for this sata and ide - i'm looking into grub or blkid.  can i copy the blkid info for the IDE from suse, will that work in ubuntu?
[06:36] <yann__> too bad... so much to "java is platform independent" ...
[06:38] <Rotund> I have a messed up bug w/ gnome-panel using dual-screen.  It doesn't actually load
[06:39] <Rotund> anyone know of a way to reduce the garbage strace drops?
[06:42] <Striss> yann__, mozilla isnt loading the plugin, its not showing up in my pluginreq.dat
[06:45] <epod> weird, the only mplayer output that works on my system is gl2, and the embedded video in web pages opens in a new window with mplayer mozilla plugin
[06:45] <epod> how strange
[06:46] <eim> bob2: What about DRM 3D on your G4?
[06:48] <eim> Anyone has successfully installed configured RealPlayer/Helix along with Mozilla?
[06:49] <JDahl> can the CD/DVD creator in gnome burn ISO images, by just dragging them to the window?
[06:49] <usual> this is a fitting ubuntu african image haha
[06:49] <usual> http://69.200.178.150:8000/monk.png
[06:49] <mjr> JDahl, how about right-clicking them and choosing to burn from the context menu?
[06:50] <JDahl> mjr, dont make fun of me... all this drag-n-drop and gui is making me feel uncomfortable
[06:50] <usual> JDahl, just right click on the image
[06:50] <mjr> umm, I don't, that's how you do it
[06:52] <cenerentola> the italian ubuntu site is up... btlug.it
[06:53] <eim> cenerentola: Ben fatto ;)
[06:54] <WW> Is there an "official" Ubuntu UPS (uninterruptible power supply) package?
[06:55] <WW> (If not, this would be a nice addition to hoary.)
[06:56] <jriver> can somebody tell me where to look for info on using ubuntu with sata and ide?  is it a grub thing or blkid or some other device config, hdparm?
[06:56] <jriver> i don't really know where to start looking
[06:57] <jriver> i tried copying the info in blkid.tab from my suse partition, but that didn't seem to work in ubuntu
[07:08] <wfx> i fixed my prob with ieee1394 and the udev, i was not to use my dv until i do "mknod /dev/raw1394 c 171 0 && chmod 646 /dev/raw1394"
[07:08] <djtansey> hello. i'm trying to setup /etc/network/interfaces using the by defining the "name" -- how can i switch between them? or is "name" not used for that?
[07:09] <xinel> muwahaha i fixed my libc6-i686 prb
[07:09] <xinel> had to edit the dpkg available file
[07:09] <wfx> welcome to the club ;-)
[07:10] <xinel> hahaha thanx
[07:10] <eim> djtansey: You mean the "stanzas"?
[07:11] <wfx> hmmm, should i my fix post to a ubuntu forum
[07:11] <hypa7ia> wfx: yupyup
[07:11] <epod> Can anyone tell me, or direct me to instructions on how, to make k3b use themes w/o installing all of kde, so I can set the QT and GTK theme to the same thing and have my k3b look all nice with my gnome?
[07:11] <hypa7ia> that way it turns up if ppl google it
[07:11] <wfx> hypa7ia, and wich one :-)
[07:12] <hypa7ia> maybe ubuntuforums.org ?
[07:12] <xinel> what was wrong with ur post?
[07:12] <djtansey> eim: i don't know what you mean by stanzas. i have iface ath0 inet dhcp/ name "home"/wireless_essid home_wap and then would like to see if i can somehow change the profile so i when i travel from work to school to home i can easily change the profiles (some have WEP, some dont, for instance)
[07:13] <hypa7ia> oooh, oops, wfx. i thought you were asking if you should post it :-)
[07:13] <eim> djtansey: I use guessnet for doing this. You'll find guessnet in univers.
[07:13] <djtansey> eim: thanks. i'll look at it.
[07:13] <eim> djtansey: guessnet is anyway a bit tricky to set up, you must know about ARP, etc.
[07:13] <epod> Oh, and the other thing, could anyone tell me how the heck I can make a nice looking splash screen come up on boot-up, like the livecd has, instead of the ugly text crawl?
[07:13] <eim> darkling: With guessnet your machine configures the net automagically checking, via ARP, where it is.
[07:14] <ToGGY`> epod: bootsplash
[07:14] <eim> darkling: Sorry.
[07:14] <hypa7ia> epod: i don't know how to do it, but it is coming apparetly in hoary
[07:14] <darkling> eim: No problem. Easy enough to do. :)
[07:14] <xinel> hrmms
[07:15] <epod> ToGGY`: does that require me to compile a customer kernel?
[07:15] <epod> *custom
[07:15] <ToGGY`> epod: yep
[07:15] <eim> darkling: ;)
[07:15] <epod> ehhh.. I don't want to muck with that, Ubuntu is working nicely with all my hardware as it is with linux-686-smp
[07:15] <ToGGY`> epod: smp?
[07:16] <hypa7ia> i've been procrastinating about it for like a week :-(
[07:16] <epod> ToGGY`: yeah
[07:16] <epod> ToGGY`: p4 ht.. iirc I need the smp kernel with it to support the HT.
[07:16] <ToGGY`> yeah
[07:17] <epod> it's only a couple minor annoyances, but grr.  The whole having to run k3b as root is annoying, and the bootup screen being all ugly-like is annoying.  bleh.
[07:18] <ToGGY`> kde
[07:18] <epod> kde what? I don't use kde.
[07:18] <ToGGY`> me neither
[07:19] <wfx> hypa7ia, i add: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12256#post12256
[07:19] <epod> k3b is, unfortunately, the best cdburning frontend for linux though
[07:20] <hypa7ia> wfx: can you maybe add the error you'd been getting?  i at least often just plug in my error messages
[07:20] <hypa7ia> agreed epod... haven't neededit yet, tho, just used nautilus burnin
[07:21] <epod> hypa7ia: same here, but once I want to burn a video dvd, it's going to be needed.
[07:21] <CraHan_> I'm trying to find out the keycodes for some keys but they don't display right
[07:21] <epod> god work is so dead today
[07:22] <CraHan_> if I look in the /etc/X11/xkb/keycodes/macintosh and then use xev to find the code for a specific key they don't match
[07:22] <wfx> hypa7ia, there was no erro message (it was riddle to me) -> all modules are loaded and looks ok.
[07:22] <CraHan_> anyone know how to solve that?
[07:22] <hypa7ia> ahh, gotcha wfx :-)
[07:22] <hypa7ia> epod: that's what irc is for :-)
[07:23] <epod> ToGGY`: so the ubuntu stock 2.6.8.1 kernel doesn't support bootsplash, eh?
[07:23] <wfx> only the dev entry was missing
[07:23] <xinel> tis 2:23am here
[07:23] <ToGGY`> epod: not that I know of
[07:23] <epod> hypa7ia: yeah, basically.  I am removing spyware from windows pcs and ircing, and being paid for it.  I have a tough life ;)
[07:23] <epod> ToGGY`: hm, ok.
[07:24] <hypa7ia> heheh epod that's how i'm paying tuition :-)
[07:24] <xinel> i need a job
[07:24] <xinel> :E
[07:24] <hypa7ia> aarrright!  enough procrastinating.  time to get the rest of the random crap that isn't working on my laptop, working.
[07:25] <epod> hypa7ia: I got *all* my random laptop crap working
[07:25] <xinel> i dun have a laptop :(
[07:25] <epod> though for some reason my soundcard volume controls are all turned around.  Master volume does nothing.  Headphone volume = master volume
[07:25] <epod> go figure.
[07:26] <xinel> :/
[07:26] <epod> xinel: lol yeah mine cost a pretty penny, but I don't own a desktop
[07:26] <xinel> in america there prolly cheaper then in australia
[07:26] <epod> I'm in Canada
[07:27] <xinel> then i have no clue :P
[07:27] <xinel> i wanna holiday in canada
[07:27] <hypa7ia> i have left: internel intel wifi, extra buttons, fglrx, wacom tablet, battery status and sleep (requres a custom kernel patch), webcam, ethernet...
[07:27] <epod> a decent notebook is like $1400-$1800 CDN
[07:27] <hypa7ia> where in canada epod?
[07:27] <epod> hypa7ia: fglrx is *so* easy
[07:27] <epod> hypa7ia: northern BC
[07:27] <hypa7ia> yeah, i know, had it working under fedora
[07:27] <xinel> decent one here is about 2500-3000
[07:27] <epod> hypa7ia: search the ubuntu wiki for BinaryDriverHowto
[07:28] <epod> hypa7ia: it's like 3 commands.  that's it.
[07:28] <hypa7ia> coolcool epod, one of my friends is from bellacoola
[07:28] <xinel> decent canada holiday from here is about 7k
[07:28] <epod> xinel: yeah, mine was $3500 US.
[07:28] <xinel> ouch
[07:28] <xinel> 3500 US *shudders*
[07:29] <epod> 3.2 HT p4/1gb RAM, mobile radeon 9600 w/128mb ram, 80gb HD, DVD burner, wifi, gigabit lan, 17" widescreen display
[07:29] <epod> hypa7ia: cool :)
[07:29] <wfx> what is wifi
[07:29] <epod> oh, and a 'it reads everything' cardreader.  stupid memorystick
[07:29] <xinel> hrmms does gnome have a cool proggy that puts programs into the applications menu?
[07:29] <epod> wfx: 802.11g
[07:30] <epod> wireless networking
[07:30] <xinel> got an assignment in it due soon
[07:30] <epod> xinel: you're in school for compsci or something?
[07:31] <_jon_> hey jabra
[07:31] <jabra> _jon_: sup
[07:31] <xinel> epod: yah
[07:31] <_jon_> gee i'm not sure i know what wifi is
[07:31] <xinel> uni sux
[07:32] <khronic> Away: ( Monthly meeting of the khronic fan club ) | Since: ( Sat Nov  6 10:32:11 2004 ) Xlack v1.8-pre2.
[07:32] <Bilbo> hi all
[07:32] <jabra> so why is this distro different from all other distros
[07:32] <hypa7ia> jabra: because it is supah friendly, and so are the people :-)
[07:33] <jabra> hypa7ia: good answer
[07:33] <_jon_> jabra: 6 month release cycles are nice as well as all the security updates i've been noticing
[07:33] <wfx> :)
[07:33] <epod> and all my weird laptop hardware worked
[07:33] <hypa7ia> not mine :-(
[07:33] <jabra> _jon_: better than debian for security?
[07:33] <wfx> but TEG is not included :-)
[07:33] <epod> Fedora won't even boot.  The installer insists I have no dvd drive
[07:33] <epod> :D
[07:33] <_jon_> jabra: you know that i'm still using debian
[07:33] <jabra> ya
[07:33] <hypa7ia> i got an asus widescreen lappy, intel ipw2200 b/g, gig of ram, 1.6 p-m, all sortsa goodies
[07:34] <xinel> jabra: coz there is nekkid ppl on the webby
[07:34] <hypa7ia> but soooo much driver work to do :-(
[07:34] <hypa7ia> hahaha
[07:34] <hypa7ia> oh yeah
[07:34] <epod> hypa7ia: is that centrino? I've seen drivers or something somewhere
[07:34] <hypa7ia> epod: yeah, there's a great forum about it... http://m6n.ath.cx i believe
[07:35] <jabra> _jon_: I think it is your cd that isn't working
[07:35] <_jon_> i'm not sure
[07:35] <jabra> _jon_: cd or cdrom
[07:36] <_jon_> it's a cdrom that works
[07:36] <_jon_> well the drive works i know that
[07:37] <_jon_> jabra: i can drop the cd out my window for you to try it if you'd like
[07:38] <jabra> _jon_: sure
[07:38] <_jon_> you going to catch it?
[07:38] <_jon_> or just let it hit the ground and hope it's not broken
[07:39] <jabra> not going outside till we are going to shaws
[07:39] <_jon_> bombs away
[07:39] <vortex25> Hey is Helix Player in apt-get repositories?
[07:40] <_jon_> check outside jabra
[07:41] <janice> Hi All
[07:42] <jabra> _jon_: checking
[07:43] <janice> I need some assistance. I have given up on using ndiswrapper and purchased a very long cat5e cable to simplify the internet connection. Unfortunately, upon installing Warty 4.10 full release, I don't have internet connection. Strangely, Warty 4.10 LiveCD does recognize and configure the network device correctly. Can anyone help?
[07:44] <_jon_> does ifconfig -a show you as having an ip?
[07:44] <xinel> whats the full release got that the livecd doesn't?
[07:45] <pisuke> janice, have a look at /etc/network/interfaces. you can stop/start networking with /etc/init.d/networking stop/start
[07:45] <jabra> _jon_: which room did you drop it out of
[07:45] <_jon_> mine
[07:46] <jabra> ok
[07:48] <jabra> _jon_: it was literally outside my front door
[07:48] <_jon_> haha
[07:48] <jabra> and the disk was there too
[07:49] <_jon_> i'd assume as much
[07:49] <janice> pisuke: Thank you for the reply. I look at the et/network/interfaces and it appears okay, except there is a 'network 192.168.1.0' entry and I have no idea why this is present. Can I delete this?
[07:50] <thoreauputic> janice: I suggest you see what /etc/network/interfaces says on the working live Cd, and copy that
[07:51] <janice> thoreauputic: That is a very logical suggestion. I will try it.
[07:51] <thoreauputic> janice: can't hurt, anyway ;)
[07:54] <jabra> _jon_: food?
[07:54] <_jon_> just ate some french toast a little while ago, anything in mind?
[07:54] <jabra> beer?
[07:54] <_jon_> i have that
[07:55] <jabra> more beer
[07:55] <jabra> you can never have enough
[07:55] <_jon_> my roommate isn't back yet so i don't have his truck
[07:55] <jabra> damn
[07:56] <janice> thoreauputic: after rebooting with the liveCD, the /etc/network/interfaces is blank except for two comment (#) lines.
[07:56] <obos> i guess this question have been asked thousands of times, but; where do i get drivers for D-link DWL 650+ wlan-card to work in ubuntu?
[07:57] <thoreauputic> janice: and yet it works? very strange...
[07:57] <_jon_> obos: have you checked D-link's website for linux drivers?
[07:58] <obos> _jon_, yes, they haven't got any
[07:58] <fga> is someone running ubuntu on an IBM T40p laptop ?
[07:58] <jabra> obos: maybe you need to recompile your kernel
[07:59] <LinuxJones> obos, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[08:00] <janice> I find the Ubuntu Full Release to be very hard when it comes to internet connectivity. I have spent a full week trying to get internet working with Ubuntu and have been unsuccessful. I am about to give up on Ubuntu and switch to something else. If it works with the LiveCD, then it should work with the Full Release. Very Frustrated user.
[08:00] <_jon_> obos: this might help as well: http://www.focusresearch.com/dwl-650.html
[08:00] <thoreauputic> janice: maybe check and compare the output of ifconfig to see what it is recognising
[08:01] <thoreauputic> janice: is this a cable connection? dsl?
[08:01] <janice> thoreauputic: check with liveCD or boot into installed ubuntu?
[08:01] <thoreauputic> or what?
[08:01] <janice> thoreauputic: dsl
[08:01] <thoreauputic> janice: have you tried pppoeconfig?
[08:03] <thoreauputic> janice: sorry pppoeconf
[08:03] <obos> thanks.. and one more thing. I've have this fu***** cross in the middle of the screen..
[08:04] <hypa7ia|busy> obos: that is weeeeird
[08:04] <_jon_> obos: huh?
[08:04] <WW> obos: I don't know what it is, but I think I saw something about that in the ubuntu forums.
[08:04] <obos> yeah, one of those cursors
[08:05] <mirak> thoreauputic: pppoeconf is a bit messy to use
[08:05] <mirak> janice: I think you must have a ethernet card
[08:05] <janice> thoreauputic: I think the ifconfig has given a clue to the problem. Ubuntu LiveCD is using eth1 for the internet connectivity; however, the installed Unbuntu is trying to use eth0.
[08:05] <mirak> janice: with a static adress
[08:05] <mirak> janice: I had problems when I didn't do this
[08:06] <thoreauputic> janice: aha - that would be it I suspect
[08:06] <ben_> hi
[08:06] <LinuxJones> obos, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/hwcursor
[08:06] <ben_> how do i get my mouse to work?
[08:06] <ben_> i plugged in a mouse to my laptop, but it doesn't do anything
[08:06] <janice> thoreauputic miral: I will reboot into installed ubuntu and try to change the network setting to eth1
[08:07] <obos> LinuxJones: thanks ;)
[08:07] <LinuxJones> :)
[08:07] <LinuxJones> ben_, what kind of mouse usb ?
[08:07] <shank_> what's the package to install man pages in sections 2 and 3?
[08:08] <ben_> LinuxJones: it's a usb mouse with a little converter that converts it to a ps/2 plug
[08:08] <ben_> is that what's messing it up?
[08:08] <LinuxJones> ben_, probably :)
[08:09] <ben_> ok
[08:09] <LinuxJones> ben_, someone else had the same problem a week or so ago
[08:09] <ben_> i'll try taking it off and plugging it into the usb port
[08:09] <ben_> wo
[08:09] <ben_> i think i just witnessed magic happen!
[08:10] <ben_> i plugged it into the usb port and it worked!
[08:10] <ben_> stunning
[08:10] <ben_> lol
[08:10] <LinuxJones> ben_, heh
[08:10] <ben_> lol
[08:10] <LinuxJones> ben_, you gotta love hotplug :D
[08:10] <ben_> is there a way to get the middle click to work?
[08:11] <ljlane> shank_, manpages-dev, probably
[08:11] <shank_> ok, i founds it
[08:11] <LinuxJones> ben_, you have to edit your /etc/X``/XF86Config-4 file
[08:11] <shank_> ljlane, install glibc-doc
[08:11] <Cred> Hello. Could somebody try to help me with TV card problem, I get "no device on /dev/video0". Such device does not even exists.
[08:11] <Cred> The modules are, probably all necessary, loaded fine.
[08:11] <_jon_> jabra: any luck on the livecd?
[08:12] <shank_> ljlane, your right
[08:12] <shank_> i prolbably want both
[08:13] <ben_> oops, nvm, middle click works
[08:13] <ben_> i just had to turn on autoscroll in firefox
[08:13] <ben_> what's gnome light?
[08:14] <aka_daemon> moring..
[08:14] <jabra> _jon_: no
[08:14] <jabra> _jon_: making food first
[08:14] <aka_daemon> anyone who could help me out with some Palm issue?
[08:16] <ben_> anyone know what gnome light is?
[08:17] <oddabe19> ben_, google it
[08:17] <ben_> i did, i get a whole bunch of stuff about gentoo though
[08:17] <wfx> dont think answers like "google it" is very friendly
[08:18] <ben_> no, i don't mind, it wasn't a really a tech support question
[08:19] <janice> thoreauputic and mirak: I got it working. What I did was moved the ethernet cable to the alternate ethernet port (the motherboard has two built in ethernet jacks). However, there still wasn't internet connectivity. Using the networking GUI interface, I deleted the eth0 device and re-added it again. This seemed to reinitialize the device and internet connectivity began to work.
[08:20] <thoreauputic> janice: well done then :)
[08:21] <ben_> is there a way to get gnome to use less memory :p the trash applet alone uses a ridiculous 30 megs of ram
[08:23] <WW> ben_: Sure, but as someone else said, it's a _really good_ trash applet!  :)
[08:24] <Mojo_Jojo> anyone here use amule?
[08:26] <hypa7ia|busy> lol WW
[08:27] <stuNNed> where can i find madwifi-driver in ubuntu?
[08:27] <mirak> janice: nice
[08:27] <Kal_Zakath> how can I get rid of evolution-data-server-1.0 when gnome starts ? I don't need it at all
[08:27] <brainchill> curious ... is the java plugin in a repository somewhere?
[08:28] <brainchill> I know how to install it manually but thought if I could find it in a channel it would save time
[08:28] <shank_> Kal_Zakath, uninstall evolution?
[08:28] <Kal_Zakath> is it the only way ?
[08:28] <thoreauputic> ben_: is gnome slow for you? Is there a particular reason you want to reduce memory use?
[08:28] <brainchill> I thought evolution NEEDED the evolution data server
[08:28] <Kal_Zakath> well
[08:29] <Kal_Zakath> I'll trow evolution away then
[08:29] <brainchill> that's how the calendar and clock and alerts and everything work together
[08:29] <brainchill> it's really pretty slick
[08:29] <Kal_Zakath> I don't use evolution
[08:29] <brainchill> it beats the alternative
[08:29] <_jon_> just kill gnome altogether if you're that concerned about memory, go for a lighter weight wm
[08:29] <gruberman> brainchill : read on the ubuntu site why java isnt included in the repositories
[08:30] <brainchill> in many offices it's either windows with outlook or something else that will communicate with exchange or else
[08:30] <Kal_Zakath> this sucks
[08:30] <ben_> thoreauputic: I'm on a relatively slow machine (600mhz P3, 192meg ram), and i have the virtual memory turned off to converve battery power
[08:30] <oddabe19> go for XFCE4 it's like gnome.... light... kinda
[08:30] <ben_> and i'm worried about using up all my memory
[08:30] <brainchill> I know it's not in THE repositories but I figures int might be in A repository somewhere that one of you may know of
[08:30] <_jon_> xfce4 is definitely my choice
[08:30] <Kal_Zakath> dependecies telle me that if I uninstall this, it'll uninstall lot of other stuff
[08:30] <brainchill> you can also run nautilus with xfce if you want the desktop/file manager stuff
[08:30] <oddabe19> xfce4 is great... stable, fast, pretty, and flexible
[08:30] <Kal_Zakath> dependencies should really be reworked
[08:31] <ben_> will all the cool applets that come with the gnome ubuntu
[08:31] <__randy__> stuNNed, its the the modules-restriced package
[08:31] <ben_> oddabe19: where can i get xfce4? i searched in universe and it's not there
[08:31] <oddabe19> open synaptic
[08:31] <oddabe19> and search under "description and name" for xfce4
[08:31] <oddabe19> or xfce
[08:31] <thoreauputic> ben_: as _jon_ says - use a lighter wm or de if it's a concern. I use fluxbox, but http://xwinman.org will show you a whole pile of alternatives
[08:31] <Kal_Zakath> damn shit, I'm stuck with keeping this stuff that I don't need
[08:31] <oddabe19> with universe enabled
[08:31] <SmokingFire> Hi, I want to create a new partition using cfdisk, well thats not the problem but my question is what parition format should I use? I'm going to store a lot ripped cd's (flac format) and some other multimedia files
[08:32] <ben_> oddabe19: returns nothing
[08:32] <janice> pisuke thoreauputic mirak: Thank you for helping me solve this issue.
[08:32] <oddabe19> did you update?
[08:32] <matt__> what's the NFS package called in debian?
[08:32] <oddabe19> your sources?
[08:32] <stuNNed> __randy__, linux-restricted-modules ?
[08:32] <_jon_> ben_: take a look at one of the boxes: openbox, fluxbox, blackbox or xfce4
[08:32] <stuNNed> __randy__, currently using yenta_socket but doesn't support wpa_supplicant
[08:32] <ben_> oddabe19: yup, i've updated them, still doesn't work
[08:32] <brainchill> Kal_Zakath: I don't mean to be an idiot but if you want to psychotweak something why are you no using slackware or something
[08:32] <thoreauputic> janice: you're very welcome :)
[08:33] <oddabe19> it's in universe
[08:33] <Kal_Zakath> brainchill : I'm a debian user
[08:33] <ben_> oddabe19: i kno, i have the universe repository checked
[08:33] <brainchill> it's more psycho friendly .... I installed ubuntu on this computer (my wife's) because a computer idiot can use it
[08:34] <matt__> ok, found it, nfs-common
[08:34] <Kal_Zakath> but I like the ubuntu's Philosophy and want to support them
[08:34] <Kal_Zakath> so I use it
[08:34] <aka_daemon> ben_: it's certainly in universe!
[08:34] <brainchill> everything just works (except of course for java but we can fix that)
[08:34] <oddabe19> ben_, exit synaptic
[08:34] <oddabe19> nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:34] <Kal_Zakath> but stuff like this makes me a little nostalgic about debian
[08:34] <oddabe19> uncomment the 2 universes
[08:34] <_jon_> nano? booo
[08:35] <oddabe19> and ctrl+x and hit yes
[08:35] <brainchill> you can support them with cash and still use something else :-)
[08:35] <thoreauputic> matt__: you might need nfs-kernel-server as well
[08:35] <Kal_Zakath> lol nano
[08:35] <brainchill> this distro is an amazing desktop wonder though
[08:35] <Kal_Zakath> brainchill : well, I have no cash :)
[08:35] <brainchill> I've been really impressed
[08:35] <Kal_Zakath> brainchill : I'm workless since yesterday :/
[08:35] <oddabe19> Kal_Zakath, nano is my wet dream
[08:35] <oddabe19> :-P
[08:35] <Kal_Zakath> use vim
[08:36] <aka_daemon> brainchill: chash is not everything! To get help from people who know stuff is worth more than money
[08:36] <oddabe19> i don't like it
[08:36] <ben_> oddbabe19: the stuff is already uncommented
[08:36] <Kal_Zakath> I always used vim
[08:36] <karto> hi... im having some  trouble with sound - it doesnt work (worked flawlessly earlier - not sure when it stopped working).
[08:36] <oddabe19> are you out of nano now?
[08:36] <ben_> is there something wron with the universe server?
[08:36] <brainchill> nano is yuck
[08:36] <Kal_Zakath> ben_ : did you perform an apt-get upadte ?
[08:36] <Kal_Zakath> apt-get update
[08:36] <oddabe19> ben_, exit out of nano, then sudo apt-get update
[08:36] <brainchill> nano, pico ... what's the difference .... yuck
[08:37] <sjoerd> Kal_Zakath: why do you think it's different in debian ?
[08:37] <karto> gstreamer player says "Could not render default GStreamer audio output sink from GConf /system/gstreamer/default/audiosink key. Check if it is set correctly." - i tried changing the value to "alsasink" but that doesnt help
[08:37] <thoreauputic> brainchill: for newbies, nano and pico are less intimidating than vi/vim :)
[08:37] <Kal_Zakath> sjoerd : what ?
[08:37] <brainchill> I do all of my file editing in gedit ..... I can't even read a config file without gnome installed (j/k)
[08:37] <theBishop> has anyone had any luck dual booting Ubuntu with windows?
[08:37] <stuNNed> brainchill, lol
[08:37] <sjoerd> Kal_Zakath: 20:34 <Kal_Zakath> but stuff like this makes me a little nostalgic about debian
[08:38] <stuNNed> theBishop, yes, on laptop
[08:38] <karto> i do it theBishop
[08:38] <theBishop> stunned i currently db XP and Slackware
[08:38] <Kal_Zakath> sjoerd : in this case it's some depedencies issues
[08:38] <_jon_> theBishop: should be fine as long at windows is installed first
[08:38] <_jon_> s/at/as
[08:38] <theBishop> and i wanted to install Ubuntu over my slackware ext3 partition
[08:38] <brainchill> They are more dos edit like but they are not really easier ... the newbies just need to write down a few simple key shortcusts on a scrap of paper and vi could be the easiest editor out there
[08:38] <theBishop> but the Ubuntu installer didn't let me do it
[08:38] <hellmuth> Hi all!
[08:38] <aka_daemon> theBishop: yes, even plus Debian
[08:38] <theBishop> it is
[08:38] <stuNNed> theBishop, are they on separate hd's?
[08:38] <theBishop> no
[08:38] <theBishop> seperate partitions
[08:38] <karto> anyone who can help me get sound back?
[08:39] <hellmuth> I'm trying to install libdvdcss2, and the Ubuntu Wiki says it is in multiverse, but after adding that to apt-get, I can't find it in Synaptic :-/
[08:39] <stuNNed> theBishop, what didn't it let you do?
[08:39] <sjoerd> Kal_Zakath: those are the same on debian (mostly)
[08:39] <theBishop> cfdisk will recognize the partitions from the command prompt but the main installer doesn't
[08:39] <wfx> hellmuth, have you du apt-get update
[08:39] <theBishop> Kartu: is it a permissions problem?
[08:39] <wfx> do
[08:39] <hellmuth> wfx: Well, I clicked "Update" in Synaptic
[08:39] <Kal_Zakath> sjoerd : not in this case...
[08:39] <jorisK> Hello everyone, is there an package / piece of software for Gnome that allows me to burn audio CD's in ubuntu?
[08:39] <fga> Hi all, is someone running ubuntu on an IBM T40p laptop ?
[08:39] <thoreauputic> brainchill: heh- have you ever tried to talk someone new through editing a file with vi on IRC? It's usually a nightmare
[08:39] <karto> alsa i dont think so... it worked flawlessly before
[08:40] <stuNNed> theBishop, i had similar problems that was related to earlier usage of partition magic, went into winxp disk manager and deleted old linux partitions then it recognized the free space
[08:40] <sjoerd> Kal_Zakath: that's just because unstable has G2.6 instead of 2.8
[08:40] <theBishop> stunned: i'll try that
[08:40] <theBishop> thanks
[08:40] <Kal_Zakath> I want to remove evolution-data-server-1.0 and it tells me that he'll remove stuff like gaim etc...
[08:40] <_jon_> jorisK: coaster is a gnome cd burner
[08:40] <stuNNed> theBishop, np, worked here
[08:40] <karto> jorisK, go to "computer>home>places"cd creator"
[08:40] <jorisK> _jon_, is that installable via the package manager?
[08:40] <_jon_> not sure if it's in ubuntu but try universe
[08:40] <aka_daemon> @_jon_: coaster is aparently not working due to missing dependency packages
[08:40] <karto> there you can add the files and go "file>write to disc"
[08:41] <_jon_> aka_daemon: apt-get --fix-missing
[08:42] <jorisK> karto, can i also make audio CD
[08:42] <jorisK> karto, can i also make audio CD's?
[08:42] <aka_daemon> _jon_: thx..
[08:42] <_jon_> here's the main site for coaster if there's still a problem: http://files.dersoldat.org/coding/coaster/
[08:42] <wfx> hellmuth, post youre apt-source to http://www.pastebin.com/
[08:42] <aka_daemon> do I need some daemons or programms running when I want to sync a palm?
[08:43] <fga> can anyone give me hints on suspend on disk with ubuntu ?
[08:43] <hellmuth> wfx: It's okay, I found it. It's not in multiverse, but in the debian-marillat repository (look for it in Google, the address is in the old Ubuntu Wiki). Would be cool if you could add that info to the new Wiki as well.
[08:43] <matt__> I have a PowerBook G4 running Warty. The display only takes up part of the screen. How do I change the display settings?
[08:44] <wfx> :)
[08:44] <jorisK> karto, can i burn audio cd's with that?
[08:44] <_jon_> matt__: have you tried xf86config?
[08:44] <matt__> i haven't
[08:44] <karto> hmm... i never tried jorisK
[08:44] <_jon_> also curious how the support is for the airport card on the ppc port
[08:44] <jorisK> hmm
[08:44] <jorisK> doesn't look like it
[08:45] <jorisK> do you know which program to use for burning audio cd's?
[08:45] <matt__> me? airport works perfectly
[08:45] <Phoop> The Gnome CD Burner cant burn Audio CD's
[08:45] <jorisK> ah
[08:45] <Phoop> K3B can burn Audio CD's
[08:45] <matt__> i'm running over it right now
[08:45] <aka_daemon> jorisK: mp3burn
[08:45] <jorisK> ah
[08:45] <jorisK> where can i find it?
[08:45] <Phoop> On ubuntu ; there is a manual for installing
[08:45] <wfx> Phoop, Gnome CD Burner? wich one you mean
[08:46] <jorisK> well
[08:46] <Huw`> can anyone tell me if ubuntu is running my ibook at reduced/full cpu speed or automatically switches between the two?
[08:46] <jorisK> the one which i can write audio cd's with
[08:46] <_jon_> jorisK: you can also try x-cdroast and i'm not sure but i think rhythmbox has burning builtin now
[08:46] <jorisK> ah
[08:46] <Phoop> jorisK: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-05.2946111988
[08:47] <Phoop> Then u can burn all you want ( nero-look-a-like )
[08:47] <thoreauputic> matt__: to reconfigure your display, use   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 , not xf86config
[08:47] <JakSprat> hey all - I've just installed ubuntu  for the first time (first time linux for a decade too).  It just worked.  Awesome.  Thank you.   I need to transfer files from my G5 to the machine - how should I do this?  I tried apt-get install wu-ftpd and a few other ftp daemons I saw listed on the web, but they all fail, and wiki says nothing about FTP daemon that I can find.
[08:47] <mirak> there is a dependency problem with kcontrol in hoary
[08:47] <_jon_> thoreauputic: does it make that much of a difference?
[08:47] <Phoop> JakSprat; sudo apt-get install gftp
[08:48] <Phoop> Or something like that
[08:48] <Phoop> ;)
[08:48] <jorisK> hmm
[08:48] <Phoop> Or do u mean a ftp server ?
[08:48] <_jon_> JakSprat: you could scp the files
[08:48] <JakSprat> Phoop: Couldn't find package gftp
[08:48] <jorisK> Phoop, is there a way to use the package manager to install it?
[08:48] <thoreauputic> _jon_: it's the correct method for debian, I believe
[08:48] <Phoop> apt-cache search
[08:48] <JakSprat> yes, I mean ftp server.   or some other way to transfer files from one machine to the other.  OK, I'll lookup scp
[08:48] <Phoop> Ah
[08:48] <karto> AHHHHH ... note to self: audio-in and audio-out is NOT the same!!
[08:48] <Phoop> proftp
[08:48] <Phoop> pureftp
[08:49] <JDahl> I reinstalled RtCW on ubundu, and it complains about missing openGL libraries, but glxgears run fine (not as well as under unstable though). glxinfo registers mesa-DRI. Anyone played around with this? Do I need to install glut also?
[08:49] <Phoop> That are ftp servers
[08:49] <thoreauputic> _jon_: or so the #debian gurus say, anyway ;)
[08:49] <JakSprat> I did apt-cache search ftp - it seems that there aren't any ftp servers that come by default.
[08:49] <_jon_> thoreauputic: sorry, i haven't reconfigured X on my debian box for quite a while
[08:49] <Linger> Ciao! :)
[08:49] <Phoop> Having the universe enabled ?
[08:50] <Linger> uhm See you soon!
[08:50] <JakSprat> ehm
[08:50] <_jon_> i got used to doing things without dpkg, since i've been mostly toying with obsd
[08:50] <malte`> i lost the "Home" and "Computer" icons, now i get a blank sheet with a red X
[08:50] <malte`> why?'?
[08:50] <thoreauputic> _jon_: heh - yes once it's right one tends to leave it alone :)
[08:50] <Kal_Zakath> nevermind for that evolution stuff, I launched evolution on the morning, that why this data-server was still up
[08:50] <malte`> i lost "Disks", "Network", "System Configuration", "Help", "About Ubuntu" too
[08:50] <Kal_Zakath> I can't uninstall it, but it won't take any ressource so I don't mind
[08:51] <_jon_> thoreauputic: still annoyed at ATI though :-/
[08:51] <jorisK> Argh, does no one know a package to install that allowes me to burn audio cd's?
[08:52] <matt__> thx thoreauputic - restarting to test...
[08:52] <jorisK> the thing ph00p gave me doesn't work
[08:52] <jmhodges> anyone here played with a tablet pc?
[08:53] <Kal_Zakath> jmhodges : nope, I would like to through
[08:53] <_jon_> jorisK: i'm running out of burners to suggest but i've been using k3b and it works
[08:53] <thoreauputic> jorisK: k3b is the usual recommendation, I believe
[08:53] <jmhodges> Kal_Zakath: heh, same here.. i'm looking into a tc1000
[08:53] <jmhodges> i'm getting lots of mixed and/or old info on it
[08:53] <Kal_Zakath> it's acer non ?
[08:54] <jmhodges> Kal_Zakath: have you been doing any research on that or other tablets?
[08:54] <JakSprat> awesome - scp works like a dream - thanks _jon_.  I guess there is a way to mount my OS X drive on ubuntu and vice versa too?
[08:54] <jmhodges> Kal_Zakath: nope, compaq
[08:54] <Kal_Zakath> jmhodges : not really
[08:54] <Kal_Zakath> oki :)
[08:54] <jmhodges> cool
[08:54] <Kal_Zakath> as you see I don't have really much infos about this stuff
[08:54] <fga> JakSprat: you may try NFS fot this purpose
[08:54] <Kal_Zakath> :)
[08:54] <_jon_> JakSprat: if you run samba or nfs
[08:54] <Kal_Zakath> I'm only into laptops
[08:54] <JakSprat> ok I'll give that a look - thanks
[08:55] <fga> Kal_Zakath: are you using suspend to disk on laptops ?
[08:55] <jmhodges> Kal_Zakath: ahh
[08:55] <Kal_Zakath> fga : yeah
[08:55] <JakSprat> as a new-to-linux, I see a lot of products have linux distributions. eg. Eclipse and Java etc.   Many have a "RPM" distribution and a "non-RPM" one.  Should that mean anything to an Ubuntu users? (Can I choose any one?)
[08:55] <Kal_Zakath> works nice
[08:56] <Kal_Zakath> exept for my cpufreq gnome applet that hand on resume
[08:56] <jmhodges> i'm still debating on whether or not to get a tablet or laptop.. being able to take notes and toss up freebody diagrams quickly and easily is my prime motivation for the tablet
[08:56] <_jon_> JakSprat: rpms are packages created for redhat and fedora users
[08:56] <JakSprat> right, so avoid them then
[08:56] <Kal_Zakath> but I had to patch and recompile my own kernel to make that stuff work
[08:56] <JakSprat> Why is redhat special like that?
[08:56] <_jon_> JakSprat: you can use alien to convert them into a debian package
[08:56] <fga> Kal_Zakath: i'm trying to figure out how to do this on ubuntu do you know where i could find a how to or any information (i'm new to Linux)
[08:57] <JakSprat> alien - ok cool thanks _jon_ - so much to learn.
[08:57] <Kal_Zakath> fga, that's long and hard to get this working :(
[08:57] <_jon_> jaksprat: just be patient, you'll get it
[08:58] <fga> Kal_Zakath: that's what I was starting to figure out... i'm not at ease recompiling the kernel on my laptop
[08:59] <matt__> hm, i don't get the new resolution in the display list - i must not have entered the screen parameters correctly
[08:59] <Kal_Zakath> fga : well that's possible to do, but if you have some time to spend on this :/
[08:59] <ceu> hi
[08:59] <JakSprat> Awesome - I just ran the j2sdk1.4.2 linux ".bin" file and it worked!  (Well, it unpacked something, but it works).  I guess the lesson is to do this in the directory you want to install it.   I'm so used to OS X which has installers for everything, or "drag and drop" install...
[09:00] <wfx> i leave have fun
[09:00] <fga> Kal_Zakath: ok thus i'll spend some time on it... any advice on a good place to find information ?
[09:01] <JakSprat> so what's this obsession with python - while installing ubuntu I saw python absolutely everywhere - is it a "big" development language now on Linux?
[09:01] <Kal_Zakath> fga : http://swsusp.sf.net/
[09:01] <_jon_> JakSprat: most things now are python, perl, c, or java
[09:01] <fga> Kal_Zakath: thanks
[09:02] <matt__> anyone know what the NFS start script is called in Ubuntu?
[09:02] <stuNNed> currently using ath_pci.ko driver for wireless would like to use madwifi instead, is that possible?
[09:02] <matt__> I've installed the nfs-common pkg, but there's no "nfs"
[09:02] <hypa7ia|busy> JakSprat: python has a number of features which encourage portable, maintainable code
[09:02] <hypa7ia|busy> i <3 python
[09:02] <_jon_> matt__: not sure but is there a /etc/init.d/nfs
[09:03] <matt__> no, in there it's just nfs-common
[09:03] <_jon_> that should be it
[09:03] <matt__> oh
[09:03] <JakSprat> I'm just so surprised to see so much o fit.  OS X comes with it too, but there doesn't seem to be as much of the tools etc. written in it, with as many bindings.  It's great to see.
[09:03] <_jon_> matt__: just do a /etc/init.d/nfs-common start
[09:04] <matt__> yup, that seems to work. thankyou!
[09:04] <hellmuth> Hey boys, what program do you use for duplicating CDs?
[09:05] <fga> stuNNed: can't help you on this but what computer do you use ?
[09:05] <_jon_> hellmuth: just go for k3b
[09:05] <hypa7ia|busy> hellmuth: i know you can burn iso's in nautilus
[09:05] <matt__> hm, still can't connect to it
[09:05] <hypa7ia|busy> but i don't know what to make one with :-)
[09:05] <stuNNed> fga, this is a dell inspiron 8200 laptop
[09:05] <hellmuth> hypa7ia|busy, I know that, too. I was talking about real, existing, media.
[09:06] <matt__> I've created the /etc/exports file
[09:06] <hellmuth> _jon_, But that's KDE software!
[09:06] <thoreauputic> matt__: I found this very helpful : http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/NFS-HOWTO/server.html
[09:06] <hellmuth> Hmm
[09:06] <hellmuth> I'll use XCDRoast then
[09:06] <Cred> Someone here has wintv card working? I'm missing /dev/video0 I'd like to know how to create it. I think I have all necessary modules running
[09:06] <hypa7ia|busy> hellmuth: i know, i was thinking make an iso > burn an iso
[09:06] <_jon_> hellmuth: how do you feel about the cli, because cdrecord works as well
[09:06] <matt__> i'll take a look, thoreauputic
[09:06] <thoreauputic> matt__: portmap is crucial
[09:07] <hellmuth> _jon_, I feel good about it. But the man I'm installing this for has never seen Linux before.
[09:07] <fga> stuNNed: maybe this link might help you http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1881
[09:08] <_jon_> hellmuth: alright then, xcdroast is the way to go
[09:08] <brainchill> hellmuth to duplicate a CD do a dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso then use nautilus burn to burn the iso you created
[09:08] <stuNNed> fga, think it okay to install the debian packages for madwifi?  only doing this to try and get wpa working instead of using wep
[09:08] <hypa7ia|busy> hellmuth: you could make a launcher for that on the desktop or something
[09:09] <Brandybuck> hi all
[09:09] <ys> where is the document that tell apt-get where to look for files?
[09:09] <ys> i can't remember
[09:09] <fga> stuNNed: can't help you on this i'm just a newbie with Linux on laptop
[09:09] <_jon_> ys /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:09] <L|nu}{> ys: /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:09] <L|nu}{> _jon_: ;)
[09:09] <_jon_> heh i beat you
[09:09] <_jon_> ;)
[09:10] <L|nu}{> yeah... I know.. hehe... Next time!
[09:10] <thoreauputic> hypa7ia|busy: the burning question (pun intended), why such a simple thing is not scripted and put into gnome..
[09:10] <stuNNed> fga, thanks for your help!
[09:10] <thoreauputic> hypa7ia|busy: maybe we should suggest it
[09:10] <stuNNed> fga, appreciate the link :)
[09:11] <fga> stuNNed: glad to have helped :)
[09:11] <wm_eddie> AHH! firefox 0.9.3 is REALLY pissing me off!
[09:11] <_jon_> wm_eddie: try 1.0rc1 it's really nice
[09:12] <wm_eddie> _jon_: Is it in universe?
[09:12] <_jon_> i'm not sure
[09:12] <oddabe19> wm_eddie, i use hoary... i believe it's in there
[09:13] <Brandybuck> Hi I got sound question....
[09:13] <Brandybuck> I see volume control in the top bar
[09:14] <wm_eddie> well it's not in warty that's for sure...
[09:14] <oddabe19> no, i don't believe it would be
[09:14] <oddabe19> have you done an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[09:14] <oddabe19> recently?
[09:15] <Brandybuck> and lsmod lists these
[09:15] <Brandybuck> snd_intel8x0m          18632  2
[09:15] <Brandybuck> snd_intel8x0           33068  3
[09:15] <Brandybuck> snd_ac97_codec         59268  2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0
[09:15] <Brandybuck> snd_pcm_oss            48168  0
[09:15] <JakSprat> I tried to install the nfs-server.  I did, and ran it.  Now when I try and mount (from the same system) I get: mount: RPC: Program not registered  - any ideas?
[09:15] <Brandybuck> snd_mixer_oss          16640  4 snd_pcm_oss
[09:15] <Brandybuck> snd_pcm                85540  3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss
[09:15] <Brandybuck> snd_timer              23172  1 snd_pcm
[09:15] <Brandybuck> snd_page_alloc         11144  3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
[09:15] <Brandybuck> gameport                4736  1 snd_intel8x0
[09:15] <Brandybuck> snd_mpu401_uart         7296  1 snd_intel8x0
[09:15] <Brandybuck> snd_rawmidi            23232  1 snd_mpu401_uart
[09:15] <Brandybuck> snd_seq_device          7944  1 snd_rawmidi
[09:15] <Brandybuck> snd                    50660  14 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
[09:15] <Brandybuck> soundcore               9824  4 snd
[09:15] <wm_eddie> oddabe19: I do that about once every day or two.
[09:15] <oddabe19> then it's not in warty
[09:15] <oddabe19> it's in warty multiverse or universe
[09:16] <wm_eddie> http://wm-eddie.info/~wm_eddie/okdisabled.png and http://wm-eddie.info/~wm_eddie/stilldisabled.png
[09:16] <thoreauputic> Brandybuck: do /topic and read it, please
[09:16] <Brandybuck> this is running ubuntu
[09:16] <thoreauputic> Brandybuck: and please don't paste in channel again
[09:17] <Brandybuck> sorry
[09:18] <SmokingFire> how can I get to see a paritition in Computer-->disk or nautilus computer:/// ?
[09:22] <lt_kije> SmokingFire: you should be able to see partitions in both...
[09:22] <SmokingFire> I don't
[09:23] <lt_kije> are the partitions mounted?
[09:23] <SmokingFire> I remember when I added windows paritions to fstab it would do it
[09:23] <lt_kije> so what does your fstab say?
[09:23] <jmhodges> thats because the partition would be mounted if it was in fstab
[09:23] <SmokingFire> but this reiserfs (empty) and that is fstab doesn't show up
[09:23] <SmokingFire> ok, I just did this in fstab one moment please
[09:24] <SmokingFire> "/dev/hda7       /mnt/multimedia reiserfs defaults        0       2"
[09:24] <lt_kije> so then when you open computer->disk, and you go to /mnt/multimedia do you see anything?
[09:25] <SmokingFire> I just copied it from what the ubuntu installer did for my "/home" paritition/
[09:26] <SmokingFire> lt_kije: I did computer --> disks ---> filesystem --> "mnt/multimedia" and it shows up and even the files I was copying to in 2 minutes ago.
[09:26] <lt_kije> SmokingFire: so it does work?
[09:27] <SmokingFire> yup no problem only copying was really slow (but then it was 4 gig)
[09:27] <lt_kije> SmokingFire: so everything's ok...?
[09:27] <SmokingFire> lt_kije: but I want it to show up next to cdrom-floppy-filesystem
[09:27] <lt_kije> ahhhhhh, i see.
[09:28] <lt_kije> that's a gnome 2.8 thing -- i'm not certain how to do it. you could create a link on your desktop that would get you to /mnt/multimedia, though.
[09:28] <lt_kije> lemme check...
[09:29] <SmokingFire> Well could do it on my desktop but I hardly see my desktop
[09:29] <SmokingFire> Its not really important its just a finishing touch
[09:29] <lt_kije> yeah; i'll see if i can figure it out.
[09:30] <SmokingFire> cause when mounting foreign filesystems (ntfs and fat32) it does up next to the others devices.
[09:33] <ben_> hi
[09:33] <ben_> i made it yay
[09:33] <ben_> lol
[09:34] <ben_> hello?
[09:34] <ben_> anyone here?
[09:34] <thoreauputic> yes
[09:34] <ben_> i was talking to someone, but i don't remember who
[09:34] <lt_kije> things are a bit quieter now...
[09:35] <hypa7ia|busy> grats ben_!
[09:35] <Brandybuck> thoreauputic, sorry I pasted
[09:35] <ben_> lol, thanks
[09:35] <thoreauputic> Brandybuck: It's Ok - you know now :)
[09:35] <Brandybuck> I was trying to get this ubuntu machine to do sound... I have got everything else working
[09:35] <epod> Can anyone tell me how to make gaim pop up a little window when someone comes online like MSN Messenger does?
[09:35] <ben_> xfce is kinda...ugly though
[09:36] <thoreauputic> Brandybuck: you can paste in #flood or on the URL in the topic :)
[09:36] <_jon_> ben_: you can make it look the way you want
[09:36] <bugz_> i just install ubuntu, what is the default passwd of root?
[09:36] <MeAndU32> Is there a plugin for k3b to decode realmedia and win32s
[09:36] <hypa7ia|busy> bugz_: there is none, run sudo passwd to make one :-)
[09:36] <matt__> ooh, i just crashed gnome-cups-manager
[09:36] <thoreauputic> bugz_: there isn't one - use sudo
[09:36] <Brandybuck> thoreauputic, btw I tried ubuntu on an old 500 MHz Toshiba and it was real sloooow ....  just as an info coz same machine was running RHEL3 workstation at a reasonable speed
[09:37] <epod> bugz_, there is no root, use the password for your user account if asked
[09:37] <hellmuth> Is there a German Firefox & OpenOffice available for Ubuntu?
[09:37] <ceu> there is a precompiled mplayer package for ubuntu?
[09:37] <MeAndU32> I mean .rm .wmv .wma files and may be .swf
[09:37] <ben_> _jon_: it's not just that, it does annoying things like cut off icons
[09:37] <Brandybuck> it is running fine on this 2.8 Gig machine but thought you guys might want to know
[09:38] <Brandybuck> there are plenty of low end old machines running linux...
[09:38] <bugz_> i see... thanks bros.
[09:38] <_jon_> ben_: hmm not sure about the icons, but i'm also one of those people who doesn't ever see the icons
[09:38] <Brandybuck> anyway any ideas on the sound??
[09:38] <_jon_> cli and a great shortcut called alt+f2
[09:39] <ben_> _jon_: also, all my shortcuts are gone :( now i have to find stuff again and remake all the menus
[09:39] <ben_> booo
[09:39] <_jon_> hmm
[09:39] <hellmuth> Okay, found it! Thaaanks!
[09:40] <stuNNed> if i `apt-get source package` where does it install the source files?
[09:41] <ben_> _jon_: what happened to the trashcan applet and all that stuff?
[09:41] <ben_> is there anyway i can get the menus back?
[09:41] <_jon_> that stuff is all in gnome
[09:41] <_jon_> xfce4 is a different window manager
[09:41] <mtl> I compiled my own kernel, 2.6.9 and it won't boot :(
[09:41] <mtl> just says kernel panic
[09:41] <_jon_> ben_: if you right click the background you can find a nice menu as well
[09:42] <yann__> mtl: do you have the right filesystems compiled into the kernel
[09:42] <mtl> hmm
[09:43] <mtl> yes i have
[09:43] <yann__> hmmm...
[09:43] <mtl> ext3
[09:44] <yann__> mtl: do you have the right ide drivers built in.. and ide-disk support?
[09:44] <mtl> hmm.. i have to check
[09:44] <yann__> mtl: where does it panic? and how? can't mount root filesystem?
[09:44] <mtl> yann__: yep!
[09:44] <chibifs> Hmmmm...
[09:44] <mtl> complains something about VFS
[09:45] <mtl> and can't mount root filesystem
[09:45] <chibifs> Does anyone know of a floppy distrobution that I can install to use as a base for installing debian? x_X
[09:45] <yann__> jup that usually happens when you forget something like the right filesystem and or ide drivers...
[09:45] <ben_> back
[09:45] <yann__> did you append the right root=/dev/hda1 in grub? (are you using grub)
[09:46] <_jon_> yann__: grub is default for ubuntu
[09:46] <yann__> __jon_: not if you have a ppc ;-) (do not have it running on a x86 ..)
[09:47] <_jon_> haven't tried the ppc port, i like my powerbook to have OSX
[09:47] <epod> How can I make firefox not use very very ugly fonts?
[09:48] <_jon_> epod: try another theme maybe?
[09:48] <Striss> epod, change them all to Sans-Serif
[09:48] <oddabe19> epod, install msttfonts
[09:48] <yann__> __jon_: i like osx too... but ubuntu is really nice!!
[09:49] <epod> oddabe19, I did.  How do I make it use them?
[09:49] <oddabe19> it should automatically
[09:49] <Striss> the first is Sans-serif, next is Serif, then Sans-serif again, then Bitstream Vera Sans Mono
[09:49] <lt_kije> yann__: i have my gnome themed to look like OSX -- it's pretty close, actually.
[09:49] <Striss> epod, thats what i use and it looks nice
[09:49] <oddabe19> close and restart your browser
[09:49] <epod> _jon_, I tried the theme I used in windows, noia-extreme, and it complained that it wouldn't work with my version
[09:49] <epod> ah ok
[09:49] <_jon_> epod: which version of firefox
[09:49] <yann__> lt_kije: seems like there are quite a few mac users here...
[09:49] <_jon_> noia seems to work all the way up through 1.0rc1
[09:49] <epod> _jon_, 0.9.3 I think
[09:50] <_jon_> s/call/calls
[09:50] <_jon_> hmm
[09:51] <hypa7ia|busy> <-- ex mac user :-)
[09:51] <lt_kije> chibifs: check out http://www.bootdisk.com/linux.htm
[09:51] <matt__> anyone ever have a problem where Synaptic refuses to display ANY packages? The status reads "13000 pkgs listed", and I've set all fields to be visible, but nothing shows...
[09:52] <nefertati> i'm looking for a gui dialer can someone tell me which to download?
[09:52] <lt_kije> i'm not a mac user at all -- i just like the aqua look (sorta; not totally)
[09:52] <epod> I wish X had something like ClearType
[09:52] <Kal_Zakath> matt__: everything's fine here
[09:52] <Kal_Zakath> epod : it has
[09:52] <matt__> i think something in my settings is screwed up
[09:52] <hypa7ia|busy> nefertati: for dialup internet?
[09:52] <epod> Kal_Zakath, it does? How do I turn it on?
[09:52] <nefertati> yes hype7ia
[09:52] <Kal_Zakath> it's desktop depandant
[09:52] <Striss> epod, do your fonts look normal in gnome?
[09:52] <Kal_Zakath> in gnome there is such thing
[09:53] <chibifs> I've been through bootdisks, that's not the problem though. I need a distro that I can actually /install/ to the hard disk \from\ floppies. x_x
[09:53] <epod> Striss, in gnome, yes.  In other apps like bittornado, no, they're ugly.
[09:53] <Striss> hmm
[09:53] <chibifs> Those all run in memory.
[09:53] <lt_kije> chibifs: i see.
[09:53] <Kal_Zakath> epod : well
[09:53] <lt_kije> chibifs: i thought you wanted to bootstrap...
[09:53] <Striss> epod: open up the Fonts dialog in the Gnome Control Center
[09:53] <hellmuth> I have a question again... how do you enable spell checking in OpenOffice? I've installed aspell over Synaptic.
[09:54] <Striss> i had to do that in Fluxbox to get all my fonts to work properly
[09:54] <hypa7ia|busy> nefertati: gnome-ppp
[09:54] <Kal_Zakath> hellmuth : OpenOffice use MySpell by default
[09:54] <epod> every theme I try says it only works in 0.10 to 1.0.  Ok, where is the control centre, Striss?
[09:54] <chibifs> Well, The problem is, this computer can't boot from a CD, and the CD/Floppy is a single swappable port.
[09:54] <hypa7ia|busy> nefertati: thanks for mentioning that, i needed one too :-)
[09:54] <Striss> epod, in the Gnome System menu somewhere
[09:54] <Striss> Fonts
[09:54] <epod> Oh ok
[09:54] <epod> hm, subpixel smoothing?
[09:54] <Kal_Zakath> yeah
[09:54] <jdub> chibifs: has it got PXE?
[09:54] <nefertati> hypa7ia|busy i tryed that but it doesnt work i think that i did something wrong because it say something about perl"
[09:55] <chibifs> PXE? o.o
[09:55] <epod> Ok cool
[09:55] <lt_kije> chibifs: you could do a debian netinstall using floppy disks (http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/)
[09:55] <epod> so I assume that will take effect when I restart
[09:55] <Kal_Zakath> epod : does it look better now ?
[09:55] <Kal_Zakath> nope
[09:55] <chibifs> It had no network interfacing. :/
[09:55] <nefertati> hypa7ia|busy: can you tell me please which commend to type?
[09:55] <hypa7ia|busy> doh, nefertati.  can you be more specific about the error?
[09:55] <Striss> epod, and did you change your fonts in firefox to what i said earlier?
[09:55] <Kal_Zakath> it take effect instantly
[09:55] <Striss> i had to change mine for it to look nice
[09:55] <hypa7ia|busy> you did sudo apt-get install gnome-ppp?
[09:55] <thoreauputic> chibifs: http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/
[09:56] <epod> Striss, I installed msttfonts.. let me see if I can find where to change my fonts in firefox
[09:56] <matt__> what's the name of the "next" release tree after warty?
[09:56] <lt_kije> matt__: hoary
[09:56] <hellmuth> Thank you Kal_Zakath!
[09:56] <matt__> thanks!
[09:56] <nefertati> hypa7ia|busy: actually i dont remember exactly
[09:56] <Striss> epod, go into the Preferences in Firefox, click Fonts & Colors or something, then change the first font to Sans-Serif
[09:56] <Kal_Zakath> hellmuth : you're welcome :)
[09:56] <thoreauputic> chibifs: ah - no networking :/ sorry
[09:56] <epod> Striss, ok
[09:56] <matt__> hoary is OK for most desktop use?
[09:56] <Striss> epod, the next will be Serif and then Sans-Serif again
[09:56] <_jon_> epod: here's the noia_extreme theme for firefox 0.9.3: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/themes/noia_2.0_(extreme)/Noia2_Full_2.73.jar
[09:56] <Striss> that should look alright
[09:56] <epod> _jon_, thanks
[09:56] <epod> Striss, ok found it, doing it
[09:57] <chibifs> My fault, I didn't mention it ahead of time. :P
[09:57] <Striss> cool
[09:57] <Striss> you should good some good results using those, if it was the same problem as i had
[09:57] <hypa7ia|busy> nefertati: did you get it with synapotic or download it?
[09:57] <thoreauputic> chibifs: heh - I got lampooned in #debian for asking... :)
[09:57] <hellmuth> Kal_Zakath: oh, could you tell me how to set the default dictionary (German in my case)?
[09:57] <chibifs> Heh, I don't go to #debian. They're mean over there. :/
[09:58] <Kal_Zakath> well
[09:58] <chibifs> I got banned for rooting there once. :/
[09:58] <Kal_Zakath> hellmuth : in langauages settings of Open Office
[09:58] <hellmuth> Thanks again!
[09:58] <Kal_Zakath> you have to install MySpell german pakage
[09:58] <thoreauputic> chibifs: ah - well they were right about that ...
[09:58] <Kal_Zakath> maybe it's done already
[09:59] <yann__> seems like #debian is a good place to hang out at... i have never been there...
[09:59] <hypa7ia|busy> nefertati: try gpppon in syaptic, should do the trick
[09:59] <thoreauputic> yann__: if you feel masochistic, yeah :)
[09:59] <hypa7ia|busy> it's in universe
[09:59] <hypa7ia|busy> #debian is scary
[09:59] <epod> brb
[10:00] <hellmuth> And does somebody know if there's a German Ubuntu help channel?
[10:00] <_jon_> hellmuth: you could try a /list but be careful, there's a lot of channels
[10:00] <lt_kije> hellmuth: i speak some german...dunno if that helps at all :-)
[10:01] <hellmuth> _jon_, Well, for me it's no problem. But the man I'm installing Ubuntu for could use some German help oncde he gets started with Ubuntu.
[10:01] <chibifs> Hmmm... I think I might have found something.
[10:01] <nefertati> hypa7ia|busy i downloadesd in windows. with synaptic couldnt install it
[10:02] <yann__> hellmuth: wir knnten ja einen auf machen ;-)
[10:02] <chibifs> It looks like Potato-base is small enough to fit on floppies.
[10:02] <logan2048> I'm looking for information on making a CNet Pro200 10/100 card work in Ubuntu.  I'm fairly Linux ignorant.  Any HowTo's or personal advice anyone?
[10:03] <zero> im trying to compile something and i get this error: checking for libgnomeui-2.0 >= 2.6.0 gtk+-2.0 >= 2.4.0 libglade-2.0 >= 2.3.0 gconf-2.0 >= 2.6.0... Package libgnomeui-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[10:03] <zero> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libgnomeui-2.0.pc'
[10:03] <zero> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[10:03] <zero> No package 'libgnomeui-2.0' found
[10:03] <zero> configure: error: Library requirements (libgnomeui-2.0 >= 2.6.0 gtk+-2.0 >= 2.4.0 libglade-2.0 >= 2.3.0 gconf-2.0 >= 2.6.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
[10:03] <zero> any ideas?
[10:03] <jdub> zero: you haven't installed the libgnomeui dev package
[10:03] <jdub> and a bunch of others
[10:03] <jdub> what are you trying to build?
[10:04] <zero> http://freshmeat.net/projects/confgnome/
[10:04] <zero> that
[10:04] <_jon_> zero: try not to paste anything more than 3 or 4 lines
[10:04] <zero> sorry
[10:04] <_jon_> use pastebin
[10:04] <zero> ok
[10:05] <jriver> i asked about this earlier today, but i still haven't been able to get it working - ubuntu isn't recognizing an IDE hd of mine.  anybody have any clues on where to start?
[10:05] <epod> logan2048, try "modprobe dmfe"
[10:05] <zero> what packages must i apt-get so it will properly compile
[10:05] <hypa7ia> nefertati: it looks like it's something that needs to be compiled
[10:06] <yann__> jriver: you got the right ide drivers installed / loaded?
[10:06] <_jon_> jriver: is it just ubuntu or have you tried another OS or a livecd
[10:06] <jriver> i'm not sure
[10:06] <jriver> it's just ubuntu - it works in suse
[10:06] <_jon_> eww suse
[10:06] <jriver> i found the drive in /proc, so i guess there is some sort of driver
[10:06] <jriver> yeah, i'm loving ubuntu sooo much more
[10:07] <jriver> but if i do fdisk -l  i only get my sata drive
[10:07] <logan2048> epod: okay.  I'll try that..  what kind if result would one expect with that?  Is it a configuration tool or just an information tool?
[10:07] <kent> zero, the packages that configure says you are missing. Most of them can be found as a package-dev package, if you understand.. For example, libgnome and libgnome-dev.  Fetch all the -dev packages configure complains about.
[10:07] <zero> ok thanks
[10:07] <hypa7ia> nefertati: or try it from here:
[10:07] <hypa7ia> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/gnome-ppp
[10:07] <_jon_> jriver: do you have a line for the disk in /etc/fstab
[10:08] <jriver> no, i know how to mount it, but i can't even find the /dev
[10:08] <jriver> if it's in fstab will ubuntu find the /dev?
[10:08] <SmokingFire> ok, I got a reiser paritition that I created and is still empty. Its mounted with no problems and I can browse it from nautilus or the shell.
[10:08] <SmokingFire> But I can't create directories unless I sudo.
[10:09] <SmokingFire> I don't want that
[10:09] <hellmuth>  /join #ubuntu.de ... wir wrden mal gerne sehen wie viele Leute hier sich fr nen deutschen Ubuntu-Kanal interessieren wrden (sorry for the foreign language usage)
[10:09] <chibifs> Why not, SmokingFire?
[10:09] <_jon_> jriver: it should be /dev/hda or /dev/hdb
[10:09] <hypa7ia> nefertati: rawk on, the deb installs flawlessly :-)
[10:09] <_jon_> hda if it's the primary drive b if it's secondary
[10:09] <hypa7ia> so yeah just grab it from that link nefertati
[10:09] <SmokingFire> chibifs: it will be my extended "home"
[10:09] <lt_kije> SmokingFire: sudo chown user:group /mnt/multimedia (user and group are your user and group)
[10:09] <chibifs> You can chown and chmod them right after.
[10:09] <jriver> yeah, it's /dev/hda in suse, but i can't even fdisk /dev/hda in ubuntu
[10:10] <lt_kije> SmokingFire: should be chown -R ...
[10:10] <epod> logan2048, open a terminal window, type 'sudo modprobe dmfe'
[10:10] <epod> logan2048, it ought to load the kernel driver module for your card
[10:10] <JDahl> is anyone here using openAFS with Ubuntu?
[10:10] <ys> what program should i use to view flash?
[10:10] <_jon_> jriver: have you tried cfdisk?
[10:10] <jriver> _jon_: could it be that i have a sata and a regular ide (i guess ata)
[10:10] <SmokingFire> lt_kije: how do I find out the group?
[10:10] <brainchill> ys: macromedia flash player
[10:10] <jriver> _jon_: no, i will
[10:10] <logan2048> epod: thanks.  I'll try that.  I'll come back should that not work.
[10:10] <_jon_> ys: go to macromedia.com and get the flash plugins
[10:10] <lt_kije> jriver: fdisk requires you to specify *partitions* (/dev/hda1) not just disks (/dev/hda)
[10:10] <lt_kije> SmokingFire: just do a ls -l in your home directory
[10:11] <lt_kije> SmokingFire: your group is probably the same as your user naem
[10:11] <jriver> _jon_: fatal error can't find drive
[10:11] <lt_kije> *name
[10:11] <brainchill> ys: add the universe channel to the synaptic repositories and search for flash
[10:11] <jriver> lt_kije: are you sure?  i think fdisk takes /dev/hda
[10:11] <SmokingFire> lt_kije: ok thanks
[10:11] <JDahl> jriver, yes - that could definitely be it... Many people have problems with SATA in kernel2.6/Debian (especially booting of a SATA)
[10:11] <brainchill> it will give you nonfree-flash-7.0 ... it's version 7 of the macromedia flash player
[10:11] <lt_kije> jriver: i guess so...i thought it didn't; sorry :-)
[10:12] <_jon_> jriver: i'm not sure, you might need a kernel module or a driver
[10:12] <jriver> JDahl: damn - that's not good news
[10:12] <jriver> _jon_: yeah, i thought about that, but i can find the drive in /proc
[10:12] <_jon_> just because the drive is there doesn't mean that it's being recognized correctly
[10:13] <jriver> _jon_: and i'm not sure where to start on finding a kernel module
[10:13] <hellmuth> Can Ubuntu communicate with Windows CE USB devices (PDAs)
[10:13] <_jon_> jriver: do you know the model number and such for the drive?
[10:13] <SmokingFire> mkreiserfs can also used to do a format?
[10:13] <jriver> _jon_: model: WDC AC28400R
[10:14] <SmokingFire> I just want to do a quick format
[10:14] <JDahl> jriver, ide-scsi, scsi-emu is apparently bugged in 2.6, there are many bugreports on it the Debian mailing lists. In particular, the stock mkinitrd is buggy and will in some cases break access to your root partition when you're booting of SATA. However, booting of an IDE and mounting a SATA should be fine
[10:14] <mjr> the mkfs programs don't format
[10:15] <ys> ERROR: Your architecture, \'ppc\', is not supported by the
[10:15] <ys>        Macromedia Flash Player installer
[10:15] <ys> should i just put the files manually into a directory?
[10:15] <jriver> JDahl: thanks - i guess i could try that.
[10:15] <ys> if so where? i use firefox
[10:16] <JDahl> jriver, oh - so you are booting of the SATA? what happens?
[10:16] <brainchill> hellmuth:use syncce to sync your pocketpc devices to evolution
[10:16] <mjr> ys, Macromedia doesn't support Linux/PPC. If you find this inconvenient, please ask them politely to publish the player as open source
[10:16] <jriver> JDahl: but i guess my MBR will still be on the SATA, is there a way to change that?
[10:16] <jriver> i don't know grub that well, but i guess i should learn
[10:16] <brainchill> hellmuth:there is a package for it in synaptic
[10:17] <jriver> JDahl: yeah, i boot off of the SATA, and it boots fine (in Suse or ubuntu) but the /dev/hda doesn't show up in ubuntu
[10:17] <JDahl> jriver, I am not sure... do you get kernel panic during boot because you cannot mount the root partition?
[10:17] <hellmuth> Thanks brainchill
[10:17] <ys> is ubuntu x86 too?
[10:17] <_jon_> jriver: i can't find anything on that drive that's recent as far as linux goes, sorry i can't be of much help
[10:17] <mjr> ys, yes
[10:17] <ys> :/
[10:17] <brainchill> hellmuth:it works really well ... I've got a dell axim with pocketpc 2003 and have never had a problem with it
[10:17] <hellmuth> Cool!
[10:17] <jriver> JDahl: no, ubuntu / (root) is on the SATA. the ide is just a data drive that i dearly need
[10:18] <hellmuth> brainchill: Synaptic doesn't find anything under "syncce"
[10:18] <kensai> anyway to make gdesklet start everytime I start Gnome?
[10:18] <brainchill> you have to add the universe channel to your repositories
[10:18] <JDahl> jriver, in that case, it's not the same problem I've in encountered...
[10:18] <brainchill> hellmuth: you have to add the universe channel to your repositories
[10:18] <jriver> JDahl: i guess that's good news....maybe
[10:19] <SmokingFire> how do I delete stuff from my waste basket if it requires root privileges.
[10:19] <hellmuth> brainchill, I have universe and multiverse.
[10:19] <JDahl> jriver, one thing I had to do to fix SATA was to boot with apci=off, but I doubt that will help you
[10:19] <jriver> it could just be a missing driver, but would ubuntu leave out the module for ide's
[10:19] <xenonite> kensai: run Computer->desktop settings> advanced > sessions or sth. like that
[10:19] <jriver> JDahl: thanks, it won't hurt for me to try that
[10:20] <brainchill> hellmuth: synce
[10:20] <brainchill> not syncce
[10:20] <hellmuth> brainchill: Aaaa thanks
[10:20] <brainchill> np
[10:21] <xenonite> can i change the x-server to another computer while the program is running_
[10:21] <kensai> xenonite: I'm there what I do now?
[10:21] <xenonite> sort of change the DISPLAY variable?
[10:21] <jriver> JDahl: i was thinking of making initrd just to make sure the module is there, but i don't want to go thru that if it's likely that the ide module is already there
[10:21] <brainchill> ls
[10:22] <xenonite> kensai: there is something like "run programs at start"
[10:22] <brainchill> hehe ... wrong window
[10:22] <kensai> xenonite: startup programs
[10:22] <kensai> ?
[10:22] <xenonite> jes
[10:22] <xenonite> thats it
[10:22] <kensai> xenonite: I add it there?
[10:22] <brainchill> brb .... gotta switch .. xchat sucks
[10:22] <xenonite> yes
[10:22] <hellmuth> brainchill: Okay, I've installed the synce stuff... how do I use it?
[10:22] <tom_> can someone tell me the package I need to d/l to  listen to mp3? I remember it starteed with a "G".. ^^;
[10:23] <Striss> GStreamer something or other
[10:23] <Striss> hmm
[10:23] <yann__> gstreamer
[10:23] <xenonite> can i change the x-server to another computer while the program is running? sort of change the DISPLAY-variable?
[10:23] <tom_> yeah, that was it :)
[10:23] <tom_> thanks
[10:23] <spektr> Hi, I'll try ubuntu tomorrow. Some questions: 1) will it overwrite the MBR without asking? 2) can I choose between lilo and grub at installation time? 3) does it support root and /boot on LVM?
[10:24] <mjr> tom_, gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:24] <bskahan> evolution 2.1 isn't built with debuggin symbols?
[10:24] <tom_> ah, thanks
[10:24] <Kal_Zakath> spektr : yes, no, it's grub, don't know
[10:24] <tom_> ^^ people are so helpful in here
[10:25] <tvon> Is inotify in the hoary kernel?
[10:25] <Kal_Zakath> spektr : 1) yes 2) no, it's grub 3) don't know (it's better)
[10:25] <spektr> Kal_Zakath: thanks - then 3) is also NO, because grub doesn't support booting from LVM
[10:25] <tom_> there, it works
[10:26] <Kal_Zakath> spektr: ok
[10:31] <ben_> where's the apmd config file?
[10:31] <darkpines> Can't you choose between lilo and grub if you use the expert install option?
[10:31] <ben_> there's an expert install option?
[10:31] <|trey|> spektr, /boot would need to be ext3 or something, / can (and usually is) LVM...
[10:32] <ben_> anyway, anyone kno where the apmd config file is?
[10:32] <|trey|> ben_, yes you type "expert"
[10:32] <zopi> Hi
[10:32] <|trey|> ben_, no idea... dpkg -l apmd.. look for something in /etc  :)
[10:33] <|trey|> ben_, dpkg -l apmd | grep /etc
[10:33] <brainchill> there's a /apm dir in /etc
[10:33] <zopi> I have tried to install Ubuntu on 1.4 Ghz 256 Mo with Matrox G400 and the installation is very slow (display)
[10:33] <zopi> same strange behaviour with the boot
[10:33] <brainchill> it looks like the config is seperated into multiple files depending on event
[10:33] <stuNNed> FINALLY got WPA to work :D
[10:33] <spektr> |trey|: you say that grub can boot from a ext3 /boot inside a LVM? Or do you mean that I need a separate /boot partition outside the LVM?
[10:33] <ben_> brainchill: was that to me?
[10:33] <brainchill> yes
[10:34] <zopi> any idea for the slow process ?
[10:34] <|trey|> spektr, no, not inside the LVM... /boot would just be ext3... you can't boot from LVM volumes.
[10:35] <epod> Ok, this makes no sense.  In totem-xine, if I click the file to open it, it plays fine, but if I go to the Movie menu and open the file, i get no sound
[10:35] <|trey|> epod, Xine sucks  *nods*
[10:35] <ben_> brainchill: how do i suggest i follow this than: http://www.linux-mag.com/2004-07/laptop_01.html
[10:35] <brainchill> epod:halucinations from 80s cocaine binges
[10:35] <spektr> |trey|: OK, I thought so. But the sarge pre-RC2 *can* boot from a LVM using lilo...
[10:35] <epod> |trey|, totem-gstreamer won't play xvid files though.
[10:35] <brainchill> ben:just a sec let me go look at it
[10:36] <|trey|> epod, I use mplayer...
[10:36] <|trey|> epod, gstreamer sucks currently for video playback...
[10:36] <Striss> it's all about mplayer
[10:36] <Striss> it rocks
[10:37] <epod> mplayer won't output with anything but gl2 for me
[10:37] <|trey|> Not enough codecs... most linux codecs are written for mplayer though, then xine just tried to make them work too...
[10:37] <epod> is there totem-mplayer?
[10:37] <|trey|> epod, no, gmplayer though...
[10:38] <Striss> gmplayer is what i use
[10:38] <Striss> compiled with oss, alsa and sdl
[10:38] <MagicFab> Hello
[10:38] <zopi> no idea ?
[10:38] <Striss> and esound of course
[10:38] <zopi> :(
[10:38] <ben_> brainchill: gotten anywhere yet?
[10:39] <stuNNed> Striss, you compiled gmplayer or installed binary?
[10:39] <Striss> compiled it
[10:39] <MagicFab> Looking for some help mounting a Kingston Data Traveler USB 2.0 (512mb) key
[10:39] <stuNNed> k thanks
[10:40] <|trey|> epod, some mplayer frontends (its actually a cli app): http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/projects.html
[10:40] <brainchill> ben:it looks completely different
[10:40] <Striss> epod, there's a really good guide on the ubuntu unofficial faqs and howto forum on how to get mplayer running good
[10:40] <MagicFab> I get this message in dmesg: usb 5-4: device not accepting address 8, error -71
[10:40] <ben_> :(
[10:40] <brainchill> ben:it looks like the article is written around redhat
[10:40] <Striss> i followed it and live by it
[10:40] <ben_> brainchill: so where is all that stuff on ubuntu?
[10:41] <brainchill> ben:sort of forget all of those instructions accept for a base idea and read /etc/apmd/apm_proxy
[10:41] <|trey|> Striss, only problem with that, is that it is outdated now... mplayer is in warty and hoary, shouldn't use external stuff anymore...
[10:41] <Striss> oh i didnt know it was in it
[10:41] <|trey|> Striss, its still telling people the way I used to tell people in here, which is no longer valid  :(
[10:41] <brainchill> ben:it looks like it lives there and the scripts for the events you define there live in the directories it sits in
[10:41] <shank_> how far aways is hoary?
[10:42] <_jon_> april
[10:42] <|trey|> shank_, I'm using it right now... but release is in april  :)
[10:42] <shank_> ok
[10:42] <Striss> i'm using it now too
[10:42] <ben_> brainchill: i don't have an /etc/apmd direcory
[10:42] <brainchill> ben: I have used linux for years but this is my first day with ubuntu or any debian derivitive so the filesystem layout is a bit different
[10:42] <brainchill> ben: no it's /etc/apm not apmd
[10:43] <ben_> so the apm and apmd stuff is all squished together?
[10:43] <Zubthemaster9> hey, can anyone tell me some software for linux that will convert .ogg format to .mp3? I know some in win, but no linux ones
[10:43] <|trey|> brainchill, try to think of where it would be logically, and you won't be far off  :)
[10:43] <Zubthemaster9> and the other way too lol
[10:43] <mirak> hi
[10:43] <mirak> I have a sound problem
[10:44] <mirak> well a no sound problem in fact
[10:44] <mirak> I have no sound
[10:44] <brainchill> ben: almost every linux distro does everything different .... very different .... I'm a regular slackware user but I have used a lot of different distros
[10:44] <|trey|> Zubthemaster9, mp32ogg...
[10:44] <mirak> what must I do ?
[10:44] <Striss> what kinda system/soundcard do you have?
[10:44] <|trey|> mirak, was it ever working?
[10:44] <ddaa> mirak: look in wiki.ubuntlinux.com
[10:44] <Zubthemaster9> |trey|, where can I get it?
[10:45] <mirak> sblive 5.1
[10:45] <ddaa> You may find some info.
[10:45] <|trey|> Zubthemaster9, apt-get it
[10:45] <mirak> yes the sound was working fine
[10:45] <mirak> until I installed kde and amarok
[10:45] <Zubthemaster9> |trey|, from synaptic you mean?
[10:45] <ddaa> Most audio adapters just work, so if yours is not recognized, it's probably documented.
[10:45] <|trey|> mirak, restart x... if that doesn't fix it, restart entirely...
[10:45] <Striss> could be an aRts problem
[10:45] <|trey|> Zubthemaster9, umm, sure...
[10:45] <mirak> |trey|: I have done that already
[10:45] <mirak> Striss: gnome doesn't use arts
[10:45] <Zubthemaster9> |trey|, what did you mean then?
[10:45] <shank_> yeah, its probably arts/esd fighting
[10:45] <Striss> yeah
[10:46] <ddaa> ++
[10:46] <shank_> mirak, kde and amarok do
[10:46] <|trey|> Zubthemaster9, apt-get install mp32ogg
[10:46] <Striss> see if arts is running
[10:46] <Striss> if it is, kill it
[10:46] <ben_> how do i get out of a manuel?
[10:46] <Striss> ps aux | grep arts  i guess
[10:46] <ddaa> artsd, that is
[10:46] <Striss> yeah there you go
[10:46] <|trey|> Striss, arts is never running on Ubuntu...
[10:46] <Striss> he installed kde tho
[10:46] <|trey|> Striss, enless the person is retarded of course...
[10:46] <mirak> Striss: it's not running
[10:46] <mirak> Striss: nor esd
[10:47] <Striss> esd isnt running?
[10:47] <shank_> mirak, what's the problem exactly?
[10:47] <ddaa> mirak: try starting esd then
[10:47] <|trey|> Striss, even still, they should use esound for KDE too, would just make life easier..
[10:47] <ben_> anyone? how to get out of a manual?
[10:47] <brainchill> ben:look in /etc/acpi .. wow that does make sense
[10:47] <Striss> i just thought kde used arts automatically
[10:47] <mirak> ddaa: it says /dev/dsp doesn't exists
[10:47] <shank_> |trey|, he has a sblive, esd is a waste of cpu cycles
[10:47] <|trey|> Striss, he rebooted, /dev/dsp is definaly not in use...
[10:47] <mirak> shank_: I can't run alsa
[10:47] <Striss> that is odd
[10:47] <ddaa> ben_: what do you mean?
[10:47] <shank_> mirak, you can't run alsa?
[10:47] <ben_> brainchill: why would the apmd stuff be in acpi?
[10:47] <mirak> no
[10:47] <Striss> did something destroy /dev/dsp?
[10:47] <|trey|> mirak, from console... what does it say?
[10:48] <brainchill> ben:just look
[10:48] <shank_> mirak, what you mean you can't run alsa?
[10:48] <ben_> ddaa: i want to get out of something i got into using the 'man' command
[10:48] <mirak> /etc/init.d/alsa start  says ok, but ps -A |grep alsa
[10:48] <mirak> returns nothings
[10:48] <hellmuth> brainchill: I'm a bit lost here; how do you set up synce?
[10:48] <ddaa> ben_: press q
[10:48] <brainchill> the script /etc/acpi/events/battery is called when the paower is switched to battery
[10:48] <shank_> mirak, alsa isn't a program
[10:48] <ddaa> or Control-C
[10:48] <shank_> mirak, it doesn't have a daemon that runs all the time, alsa is a sound architecture
[10:48] <mirak> shank_: what is it ?
[10:48] <mirak> ah
[10:48] <|trey|> mirak, I said when you run arts/esd... does it give an error?
[10:49] <Anaximander> Hi everyone, could someonw help a complete idiot with GRUB issues?
[10:49] <|trey|> Anaximander, I can try, sure...
[10:49] <ddaa> Anaximander: just ask
[10:49] <mirak> |trey|: I told you it returns /dev/dsp doesn't exists
[10:49] <mirak> /dev/dsp: No such device
[10:49] <shank_> mirak, luckily you don't need esd
[10:49] <shank_> just don't use it
[10:49] <ben_> brainchill: you sure? remember, I have acpi off and apm on...
[10:49] <ddaa> mirak: sounds like something unloaded your audio kernel module... weird.
[10:49] <|trey|> mirak, ahh... you modprobed the device again? this time put it in /etc/modules...
[10:50] <Anaximander> Thanks. Well I install grub to Hdc, where ubuntu lives. I don't want it on my MBR on Hda, as its never done anything but make my windows partition unavailable. Problem is, when its on Hdc it doesnt seem to want to do anything
[10:50] <mirak> |trey|: I didn't mod probed it again, but I lsmoded and it seems it's here
[10:50] <ddaa> mirak: maybe "sudo /etc/init.d/discover"
[10:50] <shank_> mirak, is snd_pcm_oss loaded?
[10:51] <brainchill> ben_:acpi makes sense because that's the kernel module that is needed for power management
[10:51] <mirak> shank_: yes
[10:51] <|trey|> mirak, try 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp0' and tell me if you here static?
[10:51] <ben_> ok...
[10:51] <|trey|> mirak, might be the symlink is gone, thats why...
[10:51] <ddaa> Anaximander: I am not familiar enough with that to help, sorry.
[10:51] <mirak> |trey|: cat: Erreur d'criture.: Aucun espace disponible sur le priphrique
[10:52] <Anaximander> Why not use LILO? I mean I know its not as cool and everything but at least it works
[10:52] <mirak> |trey|: this means write error, no space available on the device
[10:52] <Striss> write error
[10:53] <|trey|> ddaa, when Anaximander comes back, point him at: http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html
[10:53] <|trey|> mirak, I dunno man... thats weird  :(
[10:54] <ddaa> |trey|: thanks
[10:55] <|trey|> grr @ people that ask questions, then don't stick around long enough to get an answer  :(
[10:55] <sivang> zopi : is this a laptop?
[10:56] <sivang> zopi : if so, please tell me what brand
[11:04] <brainchill> -exec "${APMD_BIN}" -- -P /etc/apm/apmd_proxy
[11:05] <brainchill> that's the line that starts apmd so the /etc/apm bits are definitely the apmd configurations
[11:06] <tom__> erm, are you supposed to install drivers for your graphics card with Ubuntu?
[11:06] <tom__> because I just tried installing UT2K3 and.. wow
[11:07] <hypa7ia> tom__: generally yes... what card do you have?
[11:07] <tom__> Radeon 9200
[11:07] <tom__> you think I should?
[11:07] <tom__> because when I started the game, it looked like a giant mess
[11:07] <tom__> then froze
[11:08] <hypa7ia> yeah, cuz you don't have /any/ hw acceleration :-)
[11:08] <hypa7ia> sudo apt-get install fglrx-drivers
[11:09] <tom__> does apt-get mean get through synaptic btw?
[11:09] <hypa7ia> orr rather, follow the howto
[11:09] <hypa7ia> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:09] <hypa7ia> synaptic is a frontend for apt-get :-)
[11:09] <tom__> oh, can't just d/l off ATO's website then?
[11:09] <tom__> *ATI
[11:09] <hypa7ia> nah, the package is much easier
[11:09] <tom__> kk
[11:09] <hypa7ia> plus then synaptic / apt will do your updating for you :-)
[11:10] <tom__> so before synaptic was around.. there was something similar to it?
[11:11] <tom__> huh, there doesn't seem to be any drivers in the repositories>.<
[11:11] <tom__> not for radeon anyways..
[11:11] <hypa7ia> oh, you need to fic your apt sourcesthen
[11:11] <hypa7ia> before there was synaptic, people used aptitude or just apt-get
[11:12] <tom__> ahh, linux history ^^
[11:12] <hypa7ia> aptitude is a curses program (text-based)
[11:12] <tom__> hmmmm
[11:12] <hypa7ia> and apt-get is just command line
[11:12] <tom__> I see
[11:12] <hypa7ia> if i just have one thing to install i uually just use apt-get
[11:12] <ions> should ubuntu mount all the harddrives in my system during install or is that something I have to do?
[11:13] <hypa7ia> ions: you have to edit /etc/fstab i think
[11:13] <hypa7ia> i had to anyway
[11:13] <tom__> lol, stab
[11:13] <tom__> hehe, you know more than me at least
[11:13] <ions> ahh ok
[11:13] <ions> I thought they were automatically mounted :\
[11:14] <tom__> so, how can I change my sources?
[11:14] <tom__> besides usingh the repositories that are there by default
[11:14] <hypa7ia> well, you can jsust edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:14] <tom__> ahh, I C
[11:14] <tom__> and where is that?
[11:14] <hypa7ia> i think for fglrx you jsut need to add....
[11:14] <hypa7ia> restircted
[11:14] <hypa7ia> erl
[11:14] <hypa7ia> errk restricted
[11:15] <hypa7ia> canna spell!
[11:15] <tom__> ehehe
[11:15] <tom__> well taht;s fine
[11:15] <tom__> I can't use linux that even worse
[11:15] <ions> bluefish isn't in synaptic?!
[11:15] <tom__> bluefish??
[11:15] <hypa7ia> heh, i've only beenusing it for a month man
[11:15] <hypa7ia> ions: i think it
[11:15] <tom__> ahhhh
[11:16] <hypa7ia> errr
[11:16] <ions> html editor dealie
[11:16] <hypa7ia> i think it;s n universe ions
[11:16] <tom__> argh!!
[11:16] <hypa7ia> noooo
[11:16] <hypa7ia> it's there, i just went through this thois morning :-)
[11:17] <lance> tom_ apt-cache search fgl
[11:17] <lance> then you will find the name of the package you need to install for the ati
[11:17] <hypa7ia> he needs to edit his sources tho
[11:17] <tom__> have no idea how to use apt-get though
[11:17] <ions> crap, I gotta get Gentoo back on here ASAP
[11:18] <calvin> hi , does anyone know if the package MONODEVELOP is still avail on ubuntu.archives ?? i find all the other mono packages but not the IDE ?????
[11:18] <ions> oops ^ wrong room
[11:18] <hypa7ia> cali recall seeing it in universe
[11:18] <jdub> ions: bluefish is in universe.
[11:18] <hypa7ia> haha nice one ions
[11:18] <lance> should already be in there if he has warty
[11:18] <hypa7ia> not the proprietary driver lance
[11:18] <tom__> well, all the supositories are selected
[11:19] <ions> heh I like Ubuntu very much - I meant nothing by that really :)
[11:19] <tom__> erm, repositories
[11:19] <calvin> i unchecked the # to get the ubuntu universe pkg's but monodevelop is missing !!! any ideas ?
[11:19] <lance> we are taling about the same driver
[11:19] <hypa7ia> maybe you need multiverse :-)
[11:19] <jdub> calvin: monodevelop is available in tseng's repository - see the wiki
[11:19] <tom__> er, you sure I don't need proprietary?
[11:20] <calvin> tx jdub .. is that the same repository as the eclipse stuff ?
[11:20] <jdub> no
[11:20] <tseng> ive gained the awful title of "breakmyubuntu"
[11:20] <tseng> on the wiki
[11:20] <jdub> tseng: ugh.
[11:20] <tseng> ya =/
[11:20] <hypa7ia> tom__: yes, that's is
[11:20] <hypa7ia> err it
[11:21] <tom__> so it IS then, right?
[11:21] <calvin> tseng .. hahah .. so shall i try ya repository 4 monodevelop ? .. without breaking my setup ?
[11:21] <tseng> calvin: it wont break anything
[11:21] <jdub> tseng: you're welcome to fix that
[11:21] <tseng> there is an upstream bug in monodevelop
[11:21] <lance> tom_ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=Radeon
[11:21] <tseng> but nothing serious
[11:22] <calvin> tseng .. erm .. i will log this # incase  i need my laywer 2 sue u :) ..tx anyways
[11:22] <hypa7ia> tom__: msg me, we'll get the sources thing figgered out
[11:22] <lance> this is a really good HOWTO telling you exactyl what you need to do to install the drivers.
[11:22] <hypa7ia> it doesn't tell you where they are tho, lance.  i already sent him there
[11:22] <tom__> mes? like, query?
[11:22] <tom__> *msg
[11:22] <logan2048> I am trying to get a CNet Pro200 ethernet card to work in Ubuntu..  tried modprobe dmfe, but didn't work.  Anyone have any ideas?
[11:23] <lance> hypa7ia, tom_ the packages are there in the defaul, standard apt.sources with warty
[11:23] <calvin> tseng .. is ya repository the : www.getsweaaa.com one ?
[11:24] <hypa7ia> lance then why is a search in synaptics not turning them up for him?  and also why fdo they not have the little ubuntu circile in my synaptics?
[11:25] <lance> I can search my synaptic, and apt-cache search flgx and I find them.  I have not touched my apt.sources
[11:25] <hypa7ia> flgx != fglrx
[11:26] <lance> hypa7ia are you sure about that?
[11:26] <hypa7ia> pretty sure
[11:26] <lance> one tricky thing about synaptic is how it searches.  I search for radeon as a name will not find anything, but with radeon in the description will find something
[11:27] <hypa7ia> this is the ATI binary driver we're talking about
[11:27] <lance> yeah, the ATI binary driver for the Radeon cards, fglrx-control, fglrx-driver
[11:27] <hypa7ia> yup
[11:27] <HcE> does the control work now?
[11:27] <tom__> so then, should I search for that?
[11:27] <hypa7ia> in my synaptics it is in restricted
[11:27] <tom__> instead of "radeon"?
[11:27] <HcE> <-- ATI user for ~1 year
[11:28] <lance> yes, search for fglrx as the name, or as radeon in the description
[11:28] <desp> sigh
[11:28] <tom__> ok
[11:29] <tom__> got 3 result under
[11:29] <tom__> fglrs
[11:29] <tom__> *x
[11:29] <jdub> anyone on a laptop,
[11:29] <jdub> grep -h voltage /proc/acpi/battery/BAT*/state
[11:29] <lance> the fglrx-driver, when you select it, tells you that it is the video drivers for the ATI
[11:29] <jdub> paste please :)
[11:30] <b_e_n_z> present voltage:         11340 mV
[11:30] <hypa7ia> jdub: i get nada
[11:30] <tom__> K lance, downloading
[11:31] <Phr0stByte> Can any1 tell me how to shutdown x?
[11:31] <hypa7ia> but my dsdt is broken and i neet to patch the kernel
[11:31] <tom__> a bit sluggish for some reason
[11:31] <hypa7ia> or so they say at http://m6n.ath.cx/
[11:31] <jdub> b_e_n_z: what kinda laptop?
[11:31] <desp> Phr0stByte: ctrl-alt-backspace?
[11:31] <b_e_n_z> jdub: toshiba satellite 1415-S105
[11:32] <lance> tom_ have you already read the HOWTO?  would be a good idea to read it while you are waiting for the download
[11:32] <LinuxJones> Phr0stByte, /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[11:32] <Phr0stByte> desp: no - that shuts it down for a sec, then throws the gdm logon scrren at me
[11:32] <tom__> installed it
[11:32] <tom__> OK, I'm gonna go test these drivers now
[11:32] <Phr0stByte> LinucJones: thanx
[11:32] <tom__> nvm, apparently there is more
[11:32] <tom__> ehehe
[11:32] <LinuxJones> Phr0stByte, ;)
[11:32] <desp> aha
[11:32] <Phr0stByte> LinucJones: nVidia update =)
[11:32] <LinuxJones> Phr0stByte, good man :D
[11:33] <SmokingFire> does soundjuicer also submit to freedb?
[11:34] <SmokingFire> freecddb
[11:34] <jdub> SmokingFire: it uses musicbrainz
[11:34] <logan2048> does anyone have experience with getting the dmfe \ Cnet Pro200 Nic to work?  I'm really stuck on this.
[11:35] <SmokingFire> jdub: thats cool but does it submit also to it? I have some cds that are not reconized. I want to add them.
[11:35] <LinuxJones> logan2048, is the module loaded already ?
[11:35] <jdub> SmokingFire: no
[11:36] <SmokingFire> jdub: that sucks, well will see if I can submit them another way.
[11:36] <logan2048> LinuxJones, yeah, it seems to be.  It says it's loaded when the system boots up, but I'm ignorant of a sure way of checking.
[11:36] <jacob> The JAva platform that comes with Ubuntu is a purely non-sun implementation (GCJ) right ?
[11:36] <LinuxJones> logan2048, lsmod | grep modulename
[11:36] <jdub> SmokingFire: musicbrainz doesn't work the same way that freeddb does
[11:36] <chibifs> grrr <,<
[11:37] <jdub> jacob: there's not a lot of java at all
[11:37] <chibifs> Smart Boot Manager isn't picking up my cdrom drive ;.;
[11:37] <logan2048> I get dmfe 18844 0 and the next line crc32 4608 2 dmfe,tulip
[11:37] <jacob> jdub, okay, but I can compile and run even Swing based apps, so it seems like theres a lot... Just wondering how well GCJ performs compared to Suns own implementation
[11:38] <LinuxJones> logan2048, ok the module is loaded, is the card listed in >> Computer >> System Config >> Networking ?
[11:39] <logan2048> Yeah, it's listred, but when one goes to Activate it, the checkmark comes up for about three seconds then disappears.
[11:39] <SmokingFire> anyone has isntalled gparted?
[11:39] <stodge> Ok I'm confused. I'm trying to install the QT includes. Synaptic shows libqt3c102 as being installed, but it only shows libqt3-dev for the dev package. Are these the same version of QT?
[11:40] <SmokingFire> I'm trying to install the package gparted_0.0.6-1ubuntu25_i386.deb that I downloaded from gparted site with "dpkg -i gparted_0.0.6-1ubuntu25_i386.deb" but I get error messages
[11:40] <SmokingFire> with sudo off course
[11:41] <spiv> jdub: I don't have BAT*, I have C138 and C139...
[11:41] <hypa7ia> SmokingFire: missing deps?
[11:41] <jmhodges> hm..
[11:42] <jdub> spiv: got present voltage values?
[11:42] <SmokingFire> hypa7ia: thought so but
[11:42] <SmokingFire> the error is: gparted depends on libparted1.6-12 (>= 1.6.0); however:
[11:42] <SmokingFire>   Package libparted1.6-12 is not installed.
[11:42] <jmhodges> does anyone know if its a simple task to rotate the screen of an X session (and perhaps even a linux console?)
[11:42] <jmhodges> i doubt it is on the latter..
[11:42] <spiv> jdub: $ grep -h voltage /proc/acpi/battery/C13*/state
[11:42] <spiv> present voltage:         12494 mV
[11:42] <SmokingFire> but libparted1.6.0 is installed and also liparted-dev
[11:42] <jdub> jmhodges: xrandr
[11:42] <jdub> spiv: ta
[11:43] <jmhodges> jdub: ah, of course, im so forgetful
[11:44] <hypa7ia> SmokingFire: is it maybe not recent enough?
[11:44] <SmokingFire> should have 1.6.12 then?
[11:44] <logan2048> LinuxJones, any idea why this activation setting isn't working correctly?
[11:44] <SmokingFire> but the error says bigger then or equal to 1.6.0
[11:45] <LinuxJones> logan2048, is the card listed in >> Computer >> System Config >> Networking ?
[11:45] <Billox> hello
[11:45] <Billox> I have a problem with ubuntu X server, I can't get it to go above 1024x768
[11:45] <logan2048> LinuxJones, yes it is; when I go to activate it, it stays checked for three seconds and then unactivates.
[11:46] <b_e_n_z> Billox: check /etc/X11/XF86Config
[11:46] <Billox> I created a new XF86Config
[11:46] <Billox> and that didnt start at all
[11:46] <LinuxJones> logan2048, under properties is the device set correctly. (ie dhcp or static ip addressing)
[11:46] <Billox> then I replaced it the old one that I had backed up
[11:46] <Billox> and now I only get 640x480
[11:46] <Billox> Ive no idea what is going on :)
[11:46] <hypa7ia> SmokingFire: i don't know, i told you all i could think of :-/
[11:47] <SmokingFire> hypa7ia: ok thanks
[11:47] <logan2048> LinuxJones, I have tried it both ways, neither seem to work, though either should.
[11:47] <mroth> has anyone managed to do an in-place install over debian sarge without causing massive havoc in the universe?
[11:47] <LinuxJones> logan2048, you have 2 network cards in that machine ?
[11:48] <lance> mroth what would the point of that be?
[11:48] <logan2048> LinuxJones: No, only one.
[11:48] <b_e_n_z> Billox: how did you create it
[11:48] <Billox> using xf86config
[11:48] <mroth> lance: switching from debian to ubuntu without a full reinstall
[11:48] <Billox> I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[11:48] <LinuxJones> logan2048, it is connected to a router I would assume :)
[11:48] <Billox> but that wouldnt write out the file for some reason
[11:48] <hypa7ia> mroth: i don't think so
[11:49] <Xenguy> hey folks - currently clearing data on an old 8Gb HD to try a test install of Ubuntu.  Question: does Ubuntu install a firewall by default at all?  More generally, I'm wondering if Ubuntu does any 'security-oriented' setup for a fresh install that, say, Debian does not?
[11:49] <Billox> Im using an intel i740 card and a hitachi CM811plus 21" screen
[11:49] <carlos> Xenguy: the default setup is "all ports closed"
[11:49] <logan2048> LinuxJones, it is connected (wired) to a Linksys WRT54G, wireless access point and router. heh.
[11:49] <Xenguy> carlos: so far so good :-)
[11:49] <yann__> carlos: well smtp is open by default as i noticed
[11:49] <lance> mroth, make backups of your config files and give it a shot.  but you can bet on something being broken
[11:49] <LinuxJones> logan2048, does ifconfig -a list your card ?
[11:50] <SmokingFire> what does it mean when ./configure can't find install.sh or install-sh but its right there under its nose?
[11:50] <b_e_n_z> carlos: you mean iptables close all the ports?
[11:51] <carlos> yann__: not sure about smtp, but the usual is listen only in loopback device
[11:51] <logan2048> LinuxJones, it lists eth0, which is supposed to be the card..
[11:51] <carlos> b_e_n_z: no
[11:51] <b_e_n_z> so there's no firewall on a default install
[11:51] <yann__> carlos: how can i find that out? it answered to an nmap -P0 localhost
[11:52] <logan2048> LinuxJones, when I go to Computer > System Config > Device Manager, it is listed there as well.
[11:52] <GnuHippy> is x.org out yet?
[11:52] <LinuxJones> logan2048, ok you need to make sure that the card is set up to use dhcp (don't activate the card just click ok)
[11:52] <carlos> netstat -a should show you the ports open and also the current connections
[11:52] <spiv> jdub: fwiw, from Mary's laptop: present voltage:         12089 mV
[11:52] <b_e_n_z> GnuHippy: yea i am using it on a different distro
[11:52] <yann__> just did an nmap from a different box, all ports are close
[11:52] <yann__> de
[11:52] <logan2048> LinuxJones, okay...
[11:52] <andril> hello all
[11:52] <stuNNed> what is the best firewall solution for ubuntu?
[11:52] <GnuHippy> do you have .debs of it?
[11:52] <andril>  I need help with sound
[11:53] <LinuxJones> logan2048, when you've done that do /etc/init.d/networking restart
[11:53] <andril> Just installed "Audio Excel 6 channel PCI Sound card"
[11:54] <Xenguy> stuNNed: as a debian user (getting ready to try Ubuntu) I have found 'shorewall' to work very well
[11:54] <andril> c-media 8738 to be exact  - any help?
[11:54] <Xenguy> stuNNed: I assume that 'shorewall' is apt-get'able with Ubuntu also
[11:55] <logan2048> LinuxJones, okay, I left the networking dialog, and did the networking restart commant..  came back with ok on ip spoofing protection and network interfaces.
[11:55] <stuNNed> Xenguy, ok thanks
[11:55] <LinuxJones> logan2048, ok fire up firefox and see if it works
[11:55] <Xenguy> stuNNed: yw - there are other approaches too of course (I'm open to suggestions myself :-)
[11:56] <Billox> can anyone tell me what program and/or files control the gnome-display-properties applet?
[11:56] <logan2048> LinuxJones, hrrm..  it just sits there trying to resolve the host.. but it doesn't come back with a cannot be found message immediately like it did.
[11:58] <LinuxJones> logan2048, in console ping cnet.com
[11:58] <logan2048> LinuxJones, unknown host..
[11:58] <stuNNed> Xenguy, have used shorewall before and found it fairly easy to set up, from what i understand, something like firestarter creates a bunch of redundant rulesets.
[11:58] <logan2048> LinuxJones, scratch that, I misunderstood one of your instructions.
[11:59] <LinuxJones> logan2048, ok well I am out of ideas :)
[11:59] <logan2048> LinuxJones, okay, I'm re-doing the network restart..  and it's doing a DHCPDISCOVER and not having success.
[11:59] <ben_> if i were to edit apmd_proxy, would it get overwritten when/if the apmd is upgraded?
[11:59] <Xenguy> stuNNed: I haven't tried firestarter myself, but I have heard of it
[12:00] <stuNNed> Xenguy, yes, shorewall is available with ubuntu, in warty/main repo