| mdz | what is "e-baking"? | 12:05 |
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| mdz | oh, maybe he meant banking | 12:05 |
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| jdub | now i have battery info, i have to figure out why this machine chews so much battery | 12:17 |
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| thom | mjg59: no ooops, but no firmware load either | 01:14 |
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| ddaa | Thanks everyone for the help in setting up the T42p. I have updated wiki.ubuntulinux.org. The page contains older more complicated instructions for T42 and a different model of T42p, if you could get the original authors to check and aggregate the instructions, that would be great. | 02:02 |
| drbyte | jdub: and what machine is that | 02:39 |
| drbyte | (so i can avoid buying one :P) | 02:39 |
| pl0vs | ddaa, you should no longer use wiki.ubuntulinux.org bur use www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki | 02:42 |
| jdub | ARGH | 03:13 |
| jdub | hahahaha | 03:13 |
| jdub | man | 03:13 |
| jdub | now that acpi is a-ok | 03:14 |
| jdub | i can't close the lid of my laptop when i'm using my external monitor/mouse/keyboard | 03:14 |
| jdub | because it locks the screen and chvts | 03:14 |
| amu | ;) | 03:17 |
| === amu 's first burn of the hoary-live-2.6.9-20041107-03.iso | ||
| jdub | woo | 03:43 |
| mjg59 | thom: Works fine here... | 03:43 |
| jdub | yo mjg59 | 03:44 |
| jdub | mjg59: did you look into paul's kernel patches much? | 03:44 |
| jdub | my laptopt totally chugs the battery life | 03:44 |
| mjg59 | Paul? | 03:44 |
| jdub | paul drain | 03:44 |
| jdub | i linked them on -devel | 03:44 |
| mjg59 | Never heard of him, I'm afraid | 03:44 |
| jdub | he's the garnome maintainer | 03:45 |
| jdub | but also | 03:45 |
| mjg59 | (Sorry, just back from robtaylor's. He was in the process of having the council ask him to turn the music off) | 03:45 |
| jdub | has recommended patches linked by me from -devel | 03:45 |
| jdub | haha | 03:45 |
| mjg59 | Cool | 03:45 |
| mjg59 | I'll take a look | 03:45 |
| mjg59 | (V, v drunk) | 03:46 |
| jdub | what's the best way to replicate the kernel builds the buildds do? apt-get source linux? | 03:47 |
| jdub | linux-source-... was poo | 03:47 |
| jdub | roughly speaking | 03:47 |
| mjg59 | linux-source-foo, dpkg-buildpackage | 03:53 |
| amu | 2 error's hoary compared with warty | 03:53 |
| mjg59 | It'll build lots of them | 03:53 |
| amu | E: Couldn't find package x3270 | 03:54 |
| amu | E: Couldn't find package pr3287 | 03:54 |
| jdub | mjg59: but not how the buildds do it... | 03:54 |
| mjg59 | Uh. What do the buildds do, then? | 03:55 |
| jdub | dunno | 03:55 |
| mjg59 | How is it different to what the buildds do? | 03:56 |
| jdub | linux-source... is not the same as apt-get -b source <blah> | 04:01 |
| mjg59 | Oh, I see what you mean | 04:02 |
| mjg59 | I /believe/ that the buildds do it from linux-source, but produce individual packages that have different source dependencies | 04:02 |
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| Mitario | hi everyone | 05:08 |
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| Mitario | anyone knows who's maintaining apt in ubuntu? | 05:28 |
| bob2 | in what sense? | 05:29 |
| bob2 | it's still mdz's baby | 05:29 |
| Mitario | package maintainer | 05:29 |
| Mitario | ah, ok | 05:29 |
| Mitario | ty | 05:29 |
| bob2 | ubuntu doesn't have the same sort of package maintainership as debian | 05:30 |
| Mitario | well, call it 'standard uploader' then ;) | 05:30 |
| Mitario | i mean, i guess someone is a bit more responsible for one package then the rest of the ubuntu maintainers | 05:31 |
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| mdz | ddaa: thanks for writing up your laptop findings for the wiki | 07:10 |
| fabbione | morning guys | 07:12 |
| mdz | good morning | 07:12 |
| fabbione | hey mdz | 07:12 |
| fabbione | mdz: probably today we will do another internal drop | 07:13 |
| fabbione | and it should be the last one | 07:13 |
| fabbione | tuesday -> archive | 07:13 |
| mdz | ready to test when you are | 07:13 |
| fabbione | buildd has completed | 07:13 |
| fabbione | no failure | 07:13 |
| fabbione | mdz: yup.. we are going to split some libraries | 07:14 |
| fabbione | and we need to test a new autoconfiguration feature of X.org | 07:14 |
| fabbione | if the latter works we can get rid of 90% of the external tools we are using | 07:14 |
| mdz | great news on the build test | 07:14 |
| mdz | what kind of autoconfiguration does the feature provide? | 07:15 |
| mdz | if it could only choose the driver, that would make me so happy | 07:15 |
| mdz | because we could ditch discover1 for hoary | 07:15 |
| fabbione | mdz: it does everything | 07:15 |
| fabbione | just remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 07:16 |
| fabbione | and try to startx | 07:16 |
| fabbione | it detect all my hardware perfectly | 07:16 |
| fabbione | including video card | 07:16 |
| fabbione | but the keyboard layout | 07:16 |
| fabbione | or you can also try to remove one single section only | 07:17 |
| fabbione | like the Monitor one | 07:17 |
| fabbione | and it should create an autodetected one | 07:17 |
| fabbione | problem is that it doesn't save it in the config | 07:17 |
| fabbione | there is a tool in X.org to do so, but we need to test it | 07:17 |
| mdz | why save it, if it can do it automatically? | 07:18 |
| fabbione | because you might want to customize after? | 07:18 |
| mdz | nice to have | 07:20 |
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| bob2 | networkmanager looks awesome | 07:22 |
| mdz | E: Couldn't find package networkmanager | 07:24 |
| === mdz pouts | ||
| bob2 | thombot's packaging it | 07:24 |
| mdz | yeah | 07:24 |
| bob2 | which reminds me, his Sources file is broken | 07:24 |
| mdz | wow, if you search for 'blackdown deb', the Ubuntu wiki resources are in the top 5 :-) | 07:26 |
| mdz | (google) | 07:26 |
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| fabbione | goody | 08:22 |
| fabbione | wanna build and quinn-diff are ready | 08:22 |
| fabbione | time to configure sbuild | 08:22 |
| mdz | fabbione: why so much infrastructure for just a build test? | 08:24 |
| fabbione | mdz: ???? | 08:24 |
| fabbione | that's for the sparc port of hoary | 08:24 |
| mdz | oh, I thought it was for x.org | 08:24 |
| fabbione | x.org has been done already | 08:24 |
| fabbione | as i wrote before main compiled perfectly | 08:24 |
| mdz | so it was doubly surprising :-) | 08:24 |
| fabbione | we are not going to kick in universe | 08:25 |
| fabbione | but yes.. we did use wanna-build & co also for that | 08:25 |
| fabbione | but we had the setup ready before the Xsprint | 08:25 |
| bob2 | hm | 08:31 |
| bob2 | cpufreqd's default config uses acpi, which is (afaik) useless on ppc | 08:31 |
| bob2 | is it a bug that it doesn't modify that based on the arch? | 08:31 |
| mdz | bob2: doesn't particularly matter, since cpufreqd is unsupported :-) | 08:37 |
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| sjoerd | bob2: cpufreqd sets the right type in postinst | 08:44 |
| sjoerd | (in debian thatis) | 08:45 |
| mdz | hoary and sid have the same cpufreqd | 08:50 |
| bob2 | yeah, thought I was in a different -devel channel :) | 08:50 |
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| fabbione | Automatic build of choose-mirror_1.06ubuntu1 on vultus5 by sbuild/sparc 1.170.5 | 09:41 |
| fabbione | Built successfully | 09:41 |
| fabbione | Purging chroot-hoary/build/sparcbuildd/choose-mirror-1.06ubuntu1 | 09:41 |
| fabbione | YEPPA | 09:41 |
| fabbione | time to kick the buildd | 09:41 |
| daniels | cool :) | 09:42 |
| fabbione | daniels: yeah.. i had to fight with sbuild.. | 09:45 |
| fabbione | i couldn't understand why it was not using the chroot :-) | 09:45 |
| fabbione | daniels: are you on the way here? | 09:45 |
| daniels | fabbione: i have to do my laundry at some stage, was thinking of doing that this morning instead of tonight | 09:46 |
| fabbione | daniels: ok, take your stuff here | 09:47 |
| fabbione | i will drive you to a laundry | 09:47 |
| daniels | fabbione: oh cool, thanks | 09:47 |
| fabbione | daniels: so we can take a break in the middle of the day | 09:47 |
| fabbione | i might have to do some laundry too | 09:47 |
| fabbione | daniels: do you think you can do me a little favour coming here? | 09:49 |
| fabbione | i am really too lazy to go out right now ;) | 09:49 |
| fabbione | nah well | 09:49 |
| fabbione | i will go out | 09:49 |
| fabbione | getting some fresh air is good :-) | 09:49 |
| daniels | fabbione: yeah sure :) that's fine | 09:50 |
| daniels | heh | 09:50 |
| daniels | so what's the plan? i was just about to jump in the shower and catch the train | 09:50 |
| fabbione | just come here... | 09:50 |
| fabbione | it's fine | 09:50 |
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| SuperL4g | is there a way to pass ESSID and WEP info before you start the install, so I can get connectivity before the first reboot? as it stands right now, I have to do the install without the network, then reboot, then update. If I could pass the options pre-install it would update everything up front and save about 20 minutes. :) | 09:51 |
| daniels | ok, cool | 09:52 |
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| fabbione | State changes at 2004 Nov 07 10:43:44 for distribution hoary: | 10:48 |
| fabbione | --merge-packages(hoary): db3_3.2.9-20 changed from Building to Installed by sparcbuildd as sparcbuildd | 10:48 |
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| thom | mdz: will probably upload NM on monday or tuesday | 12:24 |
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| cenerentola | any lovable canonical ppl in here? | 01:12 |
| daniels | i don't know about 'lovable' as such ... | 01:12 |
| === Mithrandir ruffles daniels | ||
| thom | Mithrandir: fixed fakeroot yet? ;-) | 01:14 |
| thom | (i saw the mips bug, which looked more or less identical) | 01:14 |
| Mithrandir | thom: possibly, yes. | 01:14 |
| thom | oh? rock. | 01:14 |
| Mithrandir | thom: it's probably a libc compile bug, I haven't tried upgrading to the new-compiled libc yet, but that's a simple thing to do | 01:14 |
| thom | if you need me to test just shout | 01:15 |
| thom | i saw your conversation with drow as well. so was it bad nptl/tls options in the build? | 01:15 |
| cenerentola | daniels: id like to know all you can tell about the italian ml... | 01:15 |
| cenerentola | since the btlug.it [italian ubuntu linux community] site is now up | 01:16 |
| Mithrandir | thom: I think so, but I haven't tracked it yet. I need to fiddle around a little | 01:16 |
| Mithrandir | thom: I miscompiled glibc again, it seems. | 01:17 |
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| daniels | Mithrandir: yo dude | 01:42 |
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| zopi | Hi | 01:51 |
| zopi | sorry to bother you | 01:51 |
| zopi | for my problem of yesterday | 01:51 |
| zopi | slow installation | 01:51 |
| zopi | the problem has been solved I have made my Hard Disk in Master | 01:52 |
| zopi | in Slave mode the installation is very slow ! | 01:52 |
| mjg59 | zopi: Do you mean the disk was a slave without a master? | 01:52 |
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| ddaa | mjg59: thanks for pointing out the old wiki issue. Though I put the comments on new wiki and just got the name wrong when writing my message here. | 01:57 |
| zopi | mjg59 : yes | 01:58 |
| ddaa | Duh... zwiki is terminally confusing... | 01:58 |
| ddaa | The tabs change (or do not change) in a completely unpredictable manner :-( | 01:59 |
| tuo2 | Umm.. random question.. Is there a good reason why we are using a self-signed certificate on https://www.ubuntulinux.org ? | 02:04 |
| bob2 | hahaha | 02:04 |
| bob2 | yes | 02:04 |
| tuo2 | bob2: care to enlighten me? | 02:04 |
| bob2 | not sure if I can :-) | 02:05 |
| bob2 | elmo or thom would be the people to ask | 02:05 |
| mjg59 | ddaa: Hmm. You shouldn't have /dev/eth* | 02:05 |
| azeem | nobody at canonical has expertise with internet certificates I guess ->;)<- | 02:05 |
| mjg59 | But do you mean that there's no network interfaces? | 02:06 |
| bob2 | hehehehehe | 02:06 |
| mjg59 | Well, based on thom... | 02:06 |
| fabbione | hahah | 02:06 |
| ddaa | mjg59: well, okay... there are not here with warty kernel either... | 02:07 |
| bob2 | do any unices have /dev/eth? | 02:07 |
| ddaa | Neverthell, networking works with warty kernel, but not with yours. | 02:07 |
| daniels | bob2: if you asked thom about the ul.o certificate, he'd give it to you :P | 02:07 |
| === ddaa 's ignorance of kernel things painfully shows | ||
| mjg59 | ddaa: Weird. I'm running it fine on here. | 02:08 |
| bob2 | daniels: hahahaha | 02:08 |
| mjg59 | ddaa: Does suspend to RAM work with it? | 02:08 |
| ddaa | mjg59: yup | 02:08 |
| mjg59 | Cool. Did you need any kernel arguments? | 02:08 |
| mjg59 | acpi_sleep=foo ? | 02:09 |
| tuo2 | azeem: funny. ;) | 02:09 |
| ddaa | I used the same acpi_sleep=s3_bios as needed with the current kernel | 02:09 |
| ddaa | Did not test w/o it. | 02:09 |
| === ddaa reinstalls the kernel to test w/o acpi_sleep argument | ||
| mjg59 | ddaa: It probably does need it, but there's something else you could test | 02:12 |
| mjg59 | ddaa: If you could install the video-post package from http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/laptops and then add /usr/sbin/video_post to the start of your resume script, that would be good | 02:12 |
| mjg59 | With a bit of luck, that'll avoid the need for the kernel argument | 02:12 |
| ddaa | mjg59: let me test things properly... | 02:13 |
| ddaa | about eth1, the error I get is "no such device". | 02:18 |
| ddaa | However the device appears in the Gnome Device Manager (I do not know if that means anything) | 02:19 |
| === ddaa grumbles has he keeps forgetting to run update-grub | ||
| mjg59 | ddaa: Does lsmod show that the modules are loaded? Does dmesg say anything? | 02:21 |
| daniels | mjg59: what does video_post do? | 02:22 |
| mjg59 | daniels: soft-boots the video card | 02:22 |
| daniels | vbe? | 02:23 |
| mjg59 | It's pre-vesa, I think | 02:24 |
| ddaa | ipw2200 shows in lsmod output | 02:24 |
| daniels | mjg59: oh | 02:24 |
| mjg59 | daniels: But yeah, it does int 10 stuff | 02:25 |
| mjg59 | ddaa: Hmm. Anything in dmesg? | 02:25 |
| daniels | oh my god, it's almost straight ripped from the xfree86 soruce | 02:25 |
| ddaa | Yes. Detected, but "Unable to load firmware: 0xFFFFFFFE" | 02:25 |
| mjg59 | daniels: It is indeed | 02:26 |
| mjg59 | ddaa: Grr. Weird. | 02:26 |
| mjg59 | I thought I had that fixed. | 02:26 |
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| daniels | Keybuk: yo | 02:27 |
| Keybuk | yo, hey what's happenin' dude? | 02:28 |
| mjg59 | ddaa: Oh, damn. Sorry, I managed to miss half the patch. | 02:28 |
| mjg59 | Ugh. I'll fix that. | 02:29 |
| ddaa | mjg59: the network problem is the big show-stopper. The other issue is the cpu freq applet. I have not checked whether freq scaling actually works though. | 02:29 |
| mjg59 | ddaa: Right, I'll sort out the networking stuff | 02:30 |
| daniels | Keybuk: not much, just archifying xorg | 02:32 |
| ddaa | Mh... interesting... without acpi_sleep, the machine did not actually hang... the video and the sound were out, but I was able to reboot it by blind-typing. | 02:33 |
| Keybuk | fun | 02:33 |
| daniels | seems plausible | 02:33 |
| ddaa | Did not actually went as far as trying that with the warty kernel... | 02:33 |
| mjg59 | ddaa: Ok - it'd be great if you could see if video_post brings it back | 02:34 |
| ddaa | mjg59: next step | 02:34 |
| ddaa | however, after that there is another time consuming test: checking how much batter power it actually consumes over 8 hours. | 02:34 |
| ddaa | maybe I'm having false impressions, but I thought the acpi_sleep parameter might be needed to get the proper sleep state. | 02:35 |
| mjg59 | No, acpi_sleep just changes how the video is reinitialised on resume | 02:36 |
| daniels | no, acpi_sleep=s3_bios just runs through the video bios to reinitialise the video card when it comes back | 02:37 |
| ddaa | mjg59: kudos! video_post at the start of the resume script makes it happy | 02:41 |
| mjg59 | Rock | 02:42 |
| daniels | noice | 02:43 |
| thom | mjg59: "miss half the patch" is that ipw2100 firmware loader related? | 02:44 |
| ddaa | mjg59: do you want me to check something for the cpu scaling support, or is the issue well known? | 02:47 |
| mjg59 | thom: All firmware related | 02:47 |
| mjg59 | ddaa: If you could, though I think that there's something broken in the realm of ACPI processor management | 02:47 |
| mjg59 | If you have the cpufreq-acpi module (can't remember what it's actually called) loaded, changing to cpufreq-centrino may be better | 02:48 |
| ddaa | mjg59: not that I can have a lot of initiative, but I'd happily run any test you want. | 02:48 |
| ddaa | (as long as it does not involve throwing the the lappy on the floor) | 02:48 |
| mjg59 | ddaa: If you could stop powernowd, rmmod acpi, modprobe cpufreq-centrino and then restart powernowd, that would be good | 02:49 |
| thom | mjg59: ah | 02:49 |
| ddaa | mjg59: ack | 02:49 |
| mjg59 | Oh, lord. More of last night is coming back to me. | 02:50 |
| ddaa | hu... no acpi module at all... | 02:50 |
| ChrisH | mjg59: Did you update anything laptoppy? I could check it out tomorrow at work. (Toshiba Tecra 8100) | 02:50 |
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| mjg59 | ChrisH: Yeah, though the kernel is a bit broken at the moment :) | 02:50 |
| mjg59 | ddaa: Hmm. Does modprobe speedstep-centrino work? | 02:50 |
| mjg59 | (sorry, not cpufreq-centrino) | 02:50 |
| ChrisH | mjg59: Just update to newest hoary? | 02:50 |
| mjg59 | ChrisH: No, this is outside hoary | 02:50 |
| ddaa | Mh... modprobe acpi => no such device. No helpful output in dmesg or syslog. | 02:52 |
| daniels | mjg59: oh, oh. is he in trouble? | 02:52 |
| mjg59 | ddaa: modprobe speedstep-centrino ? | 02:53 |
| daniels | mjg59: i have an ogg for that song to hand | 02:53 |
| mjg59 | daniels: That's... unnecessary | 02:53 |
| mjg59 | Unless you want to upset anyone in your vicinity | 02:53 |
| daniels | mjg59: just wondering if you wanted a copy | 02:53 |
| ddaa | modprobe speedstep-centrino: no such device. dmesg says "no table support for CPU model "Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.70GHz" and "try compiling with CONFIG_X86_SPEEDSTEP_CENTRINO_ACPI enabled" | 02:54 |
| mjg59 | Hm. Right. | 02:55 |
| mjg59 | So the problem is in the ACPI processor module. | 02:55 |
| mjg59 | Thanks, that narrows it down | 02:55 |
| ddaa | You're welcome. Thanks for working on making my lappy work :-) | 02:56 |
| ddaa | The nice thing with working in Canonical, is that you can whine at the people who actually have the ability to fix the issues :-) | 02:57 |
| daniels | mjg59: last night, had you been out all night, and hadn't been home? | 02:57 |
| bob2 | ddaa: haha | 02:58 |
| fabbione | ddaa: remember that some Canonical emploies are dangerous... | 02:58 |
| fabbione | ;) | 02:58 |
| ddaa | bob2: getting hardware specs from Apple would involve a commando raid... | 02:59 |
| bob2 | ddaa: I just want someone to break into broadcom's offices | 02:59 |
| thom | broadcom would be much more productive | 02:59 |
| thom | has no-one tried using darwin drivers? | 02:59 |
| ddaa | fabbione: bah, you are just posturing as a Dangerous Evil X Maintainer. We all know you are a nice dude :-P | 02:59 |
| mjg59 | daniels: Strictly, no | 03:00 |
| bob2 | thom: I get errores during modprobe! | 03:00 |
| mjg59 | thom: Secret plans are in motion | 03:00 |
| === fabbione open the president bag with the nuclear sodomotron remote control | ||
| mjg59 | There are no darwin drivers, AFAIK | 03:00 |
| === fabbione and points the target to France | ||
| mjg59 | There are binary-only Linux drivers for MIPS | 03:01 |
| bob2 | yeah | 03:01 |
| bob2 | which I begged kinnison to reverse engineer | 03:01 |
| thom | or s/darwin/OS X ; which should be more or less the same no? | 03:01 |
| bob2 | benh has some tools to sniff what mac os x drivers do | 03:01 |
| mjg59 | thom: Sure, there are OS X drivers | 03:01 |
| mjg59 | So I guess you could do something ndiswrapper like... | 03:02 |
| thom | mjg59: that was kinda what i was thinking, yeah | 03:02 |
| mjg59 | But we've got someone working on a better solution | 03:02 |
| daniels | mjg59's secret laptop cabal | 03:02 |
| bob2 | oh, mac ndiswrapper, eeevil | 03:02 |
| === mjg59 thinks he's fixed the firmware loader | ||
| daniels | (which is later revealed to be a room full of monkeys with albooks) | 03:02 |
| mjg59 | New packages soon | 03:02 |
| bob2 | there's a standing offer of as much beer as you can drink for whoever hacks up a working broadcom driver | 03:03 |
| daniels | bob2: you forgot the most important stipulation | 03:04 |
| daniels | bob2: *cold* beer | 03:04 |
| bob2 | yeah | 03:04 |
| bob2 | if they claim it in london, I'll bring an esky to cool it | 03:04 |
| ddaa | btw, I was quite surprised at the sobriety of the Canonical dudes in Oxford. | 03:04 |
| ddaa | I would have expect much more liberal beer-gulping. | 03:04 |
| azeem | they drank whiskey? | 03:05 |
| thom | in the hotel? NFW | 03:05 |
| ddaa | azeem: stevea drank expensive (and excellent) whisky | 03:05 |
| thom | it was more expensive than norwegian beer | 03:05 |
| bob2 | spain had better be cheaper | 03:05 |
| mjg59 | We had poor quality wine and vodka from the petrol station | 03:05 |
| daniels | the wine wasn't abysmally bad | 03:05 |
| daniels | it was drinkable | 03:05 |
| ddaa | but really, you'd have to be a bit out of your mind to spend that much money on perfumed ethanol... | 03:05 |
| bob2 | and poor quality movies to go with it | 03:05 |
| === ddaa begs bob2 not to resume the Antitrust line... | ||
| daniels | bob2: that you didn't even watch, I might add | 03:06 |
| bob2 | I tried to watch it | 03:06 |
| mjg59 | In the real world, when you kill people, they die | 03:06 |
| thom | bob2: first time i've seen quality used in any sense about antitrust | 03:06 |
| bob2 | but it was in the distro room | 03:06 |
| bob2 | and I was sleepy | 03:06 |
| bob2 | distro room = bob2's nap room | 03:06 |
| ddaa | daniels: It might even been watchable, if it had some kind of sound besides the built-in speakers of a powerbook... | 03:06 |
| thom | as demonstrated during the pygtk talk | 03:07 |
| daniels | mjg59: it's not just ones and zeroes! | 03:07 |
| bob2 | thom: hah | 03:07 |
| mjg59 | 6 minutes to upload this stuff | 03:07 |
| mjg59 | I want more bandwidth | 03:07 |
| daniels | bob2: so how many times did you apologise to jamesh? | 03:07 |
| thom | hrm, time to get to sainsburys and back | 03:07 |
| bob2 | daniels: a dozen on the bus back to london | 03:07 |
| === ddaa tries videopost with an innocent warty kernel | ||
| daniels | bob2: heh | 03:08 |
| bob2 | so, I hate you all, i368 owners | 03:08 |
| daniels | i368? wassat? | 03:08 |
| bob2 | bah | 03:09 |
| thom | bob2: join the x40 cabal | 03:09 |
| mjg59 | If this works, then I just need to fix the acpi processor stuff | 03:09 |
| daniels | bob2: one day you'll wake up with an iBook LCD in your bed | 03:10 |
| bob2 | thom: don't tempt me | 03:11 |
| ddaa | mjg59: video_post seems to do the right thing with the warty kernel (with acpi_sleep). | 03:11 |
| daniels | ddaa: and without acpi_sleep? | 03:12 |
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| thom | bob2: you know you will, it's just a matter of time | 03:12 |
| ddaa | daniels: Hu. I meant _without_ | 03:12 |
| bob2 | daniels: yeah, with a broadcome wireless chip through it's head | 03:12 |
| bob2 | thom: hah, it is, sadly | 03:12 |
| ddaa | daniels: feels like including it in you thinkpad-acpi stuff? | 03:12 |
| daniels | bob2: eveeerrrryboooodddyyyyy comes to x40 | 03:13 |
| daniels | alright, time for me to go do laundry and head back to the hotel | 03:13 |
| daniels | in no particular order | 03:13 |
| mjg59 | Need to check the license situation on video_post first | 03:13 |
| mjg59 | The guy from Intel hasn't actually included any copyright information | 03:13 |
| bob2 | I shoulda waited until we had a distro team before buying, so I could copy them | 03:13 |
| daniels | mjg59: most of it is ripped *verbatim* from various places in xfree86 | 03:13 |
| daniels | i'd be stunned if his additions were even copyrightable | 03:13 |
| mjg59 | Oh, yeah | 03:13 |
| mjg59 | It's all X11 license based stuff | 03:14 |
| daniels | so it'll all be either mit or bsd to egbert eich | 03:14 |
| daniels | anyway, I'm out | 03:14 |
| mjg59 | ddaa / thom: New kernel on http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/laptops should fix the firmware stuff | 03:17 |
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| thom | mjg59: does the suspend-to-disk button work for you, ooi? | 03:28 |
| thom | mjg59: and still the firmware load problem | 03:29 |
| mjg59 | thom: With ibm-acpi, yes | 03:29 |
| mjg59 | thom: Gah. Fuck. | 03:29 |
| mjg59 | thom: Remember that it won't load the firmware unless /sys is mounted | 03:30 |
| mjg59 | You're doing a full boot rather than just init=foo? | 03:30 |
| thom | yeah, full boot | 03:31 |
| mjg59 | And it's the same error as before? | 03:32 |
| thom | yup | 03:32 |
| mjg59 | Arse | 03:32 |
| thom | yup :/ | 03:32 |
| thom | ok, i really have to go get milk | 03:32 |
| thom | back in about 15 | 03:32 |
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| Mitario | hello everyone | 04:02 |
| sivang | Hey Mitario, what's new? | 04:03 |
| Mitario | nothing much really :) | 04:03 |
| thom | Mitario: hey, so when i logged out and logged in again, i ended up with about 7 upgrade notification icons | 04:07 |
| Mitario | you probably started them all manually? :) | 04:08 |
| thom | pretty sure i didn't, but maybe | 04:08 |
| Mitario | upgrade-notifier puts every instance of itself in gnome-session | 04:09 |
| thom | NetworkManager has some code to ensure it's only in the session once, iirc. might be worth stealing? | 04:10 |
| Mitario | ah, good idea | 04:13 |
| sivang | Mitario : are you working on the auto update applet? | 04:14 |
| Mitario | with michael yeah | 04:15 |
| sivang | must be cool thing | 04:16 |
| sivang | :) | 04:16 |
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| Mitario | hmm, no hoary updates the last day? | 04:19 |
| === mjg59 gives up and moves to a clean kernel tree again | ||
| mjg59 | This all gives me increased respect for the kernel maintainers | 04:24 |
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| play | hi everyone | 04:45 |
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| play | i have some troubles with K3B and Warty... K3B doesn't detect my DVD burner :( It seems it's a problem with the 2.6.8 kernel. Does somebody know a patch ? | 04:51 |
| play | i enjoy very well Ubuntu ! good work ! ;) | 04:51 |
| thom | play: #ubuntu is the support channel | 04:52 |
| thom | thanks :-) | 04:53 |
| play | ok Thom :) Sorry. bye | 04:54 |
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| ddaa | mjg59: I confirm persistent of the firmware loading problem with your newer kernel. | 05:25 |
| ddaa | *persistence | 05:25 |
| fabbione | wow | 05:27 |
| fabbione | i found a warty chroot from debconf4 :-) | 05:27 |
| fabbione | lost in one my machines | 05:27 |
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| mjg59 | Mm. | 05:56 |
| mjg59 | Lovely kernel crack. | 05:57 |
| mjg59 | Argh. Except swsusp has now broken. | 06:03 |
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| mjg59 | Rock | 06:47 |
| === mjg59 has DPMS management code | ||
| Keybuk | mjg59 is KERNEL BOY | 06:48 |
| === ddaa can't wait test mjg59's new kernel | ||
| === Mithrandir gives mjg59 some more crack | ||
| mjg59 | ddaa: http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/laptops/http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/laptops/ | 06:55 |
| mjg59 | Working firmware, working processor stuff | 06:55 |
| ddaa | mjg59: well, actually I am going to way for unison to finish munching my disks :-) | 06:56 |
| ddaa | Unless you are going to bed soon, then I'll postpone unison. | 06:56 |
| === Mithrandir wonders why ddaa thinks mjg59 is on moscow-ish (or more eastern) time. | ||
| mjg59 | ddaa: Heh. No, I'll be awake for a while yet | 06:58 |
| ddaa | Mithrandir: not thinking time, but working on the Arch team teached me that people can go to bed at any hour, irrelevent of where they actually live. | 06:59 |
| ddaa | * not thinking that | 06:59 |
| Mithrandir | even in the early afternoon? I can go to bed anything between 22-ish and 12-ish, but not between 12 and 22, that's just wrong. | 07:00 |
| mjg59 | Can C do switch statements on strings? | 07:00 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: no | 07:00 |
| Mithrandir | how would you switch on a pointer? | 07:00 |
| mjg59 | Yeah, thought not | 07:00 |
| mjg59 | It'd make life massively easier, though | 07:00 |
| Keybuk | well, you can, provided you're switching on literal equality | 07:00 |
| Keybuk | not just strcmp() returning a particular value | 07:01 |
| ddaa | mjg59: if you are concerned by performance, you could probably hack something nifty as a "internable string", with compile-time interned values. | 07:02 |
| ddaa | But it would probably not fit any definition of "simple". | 07:02 |
| Keybuk | yeah, there's a nice quark layer in glib though :) | 07:05 |
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| herzi | hmm, if i switch to vt01 by pressing ctrl-alt-f1 i cannot get back or get to another vt | 07:14 |
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| mjg59 | If people could test the dpms package at http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/laptops/ that would be great | 07:19 |
| mjg59 | Note: it'll turn the screen off, but won't turn it back on unless you run it with the on argument. It doesn't track mouse or keyboard events. | 07:20 |
| daniels | heh, funny you shoudl mention that | 07:20 |
| daniels | I was tooling with some Radeon DPMS code in the laundromat | 07:21 |
| daniels | just as junkcode | 07:21 |
| mjg59 | This is really, really simple | 07:21 |
| daniels | it compiled; probably didn't even work, but it was fun in any case | 07:21 |
| mjg59 | And should be entirely hardware independent | 07:21 |
| daniels | using VBE? | 07:22 |
| mjg59 | Yeah | 07:23 |
| mjg59 | Just call 0x4f10 with an argument | 07:23 |
| mjg59 | Arse. The craptop only produces one lid event per open/close | 07:31 |
| ChrisH | mjg59: well... "dpms standby" worked. But when I try to get back I have a changed resolution. Far wider than high. | 07:31 |
| mjg59 | ChrisH: Hmm. Was this under X? | 07:31 |
| mjg59 | Or on the console? | 07:31 |
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| ChrisH | mjg59: yes, sir | 07:31 |
| ChrisH | mjg59: X | 07:31 |
| mjg59 | ChrisH: How did you try to get back? Just dpms on? | 07:32 |
| ChrisH | mjg59: yes | 07:32 |
| ChrisH | mjg59: switching to the console (Alt-Ctrl-F1) and back (Alt-F7) restored the resolution. | 07:32 |
| mjg59 | Weird. | 07:32 |
| mjg59 | ChrisH: What graphics hardware is this? | 07:33 |
| ChrisH | mjg59: Not a notebook actually. ;) | 07:33 |
| ChrisH | mjg59: GeForce 5900 XT | 07:34 |
| mjg59 | Hm. nv or nvidia drivers? | 07:34 |
| ChrisH | mjg59: The evil non-free nvidia module (nvidia-kernel-2.6.6_1.0.6106-3). | 07:34 |
| mjg59 | Heh | 07:35 |
| mjg59 | Tricky for me to track down, then :) | 07:35 |
| ChrisH | mjg59: I could try with "nv" in a few minutes. Just need to finish a Wiki article. | 07:35 |
| mjg59 | Sure, no problem | 07:36 |
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| daniels | i blame nvidia | 07:42 |
| cenerentola | what about mataro... | 07:43 |
| daniels | cenerentola: yeah, that's nvidia's fault, too | 07:44 |
| mjg59 | daniels: I'm thinking of this for the stuff that's in /usr/share/acpi-support/screenblank at the moment - downside is that in the absence of a lid event on open, the screen isn't going to come back | 07:44 |
| daniels | mjg59: do we know of anything other than the craptop that don't issue a separate lid event? | 07:45 |
| === ddaa boggles at how insanely fast the t42p is... | ||
| ddaa | the only reason left i have to use my 5 years old destkop is the ability to have _two_ screens... well, and the fact that external video does not quite work yet, too :-) | 07:46 |
| mjg59 | daniels: I don't know of anything else, but it's a possibility | 07:46 |
| mjg59 | Unfortunately, I doubt there's a programatic way of us working that out... | 07:47 |
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| daniels | mjg59: gah | 07:48 |
| daniels | ddaa: what sort of video chipset? | 07:48 |
| mjg59 | T42 ought to be ATI | 07:49 |
| daniels | should work OK with atitvout | 07:49 |
| ChrisH | mjg59: Do you happen to know where the 'nv' module can be found in the 2.6.8 kernel config? I seem to be blind. | 07:50 |
| ChrisH | mjg59: I'm so stupid. Forget it. ;) | 07:50 |
| === ChrisH has had too much coffee today | ||
| daniels | ddaa: you might want to try xorg and the 'Option "UseFWPLL"' option | 07:50 |
| mjg59 | ChrisH: There isn't one, as far as I know | 07:50 |
| mjg59 | It's only a 2D driver, so it doesn't need kernel support | 07:50 |
| daniels | ddaa: that should do the trick (possibly in combination with atitvout) when the monitor's plugged in before X is started | 07:51 |
| mjg59 | daniels: Have you had a chance to test the i830 dual head stuff under xorg? | 07:52 |
| daniels | mjg59: if you could ship a big-arse CRT to room 531, First Hotel Vesterbro, Vesterbro 23-29, Kbenhavn, I promise to do my best :) | 07:53 |
| daniels | mjg59: it looks pretty promising, though -- supports both pipes separately | 07:54 |
| daniels | (iirc you can also pick which pipe overlays go to) | 07:54 |
| mjg59 | daniels: xorg-common is missing a depends on lsb | 07:56 |
| mjg59 | /etc/init.d/xorg-common: line 10: /lib/lsb/init-functions: No such file or directory | 07:56 |
| daniels | GNAR | 07:56 |
| daniels | craaaack. | 07:56 |
| daniels | you can just sub in the xfree86-common init script anyway, does the same stuff | 07:56 |
| daniels | thanks for the heads-up | 07:56 |
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| mjg59 | /etc/init.d/xorg-common: line 22: log_begin_msg: command not found | 07:58 |
| mjg59 | Heh | 07:58 |
| mjg59 | That's just a deb/ubuntu thing, right? | 07:58 |
| daniels | yeah, we have all kinds of LSB initscript crack | 07:59 |
| ChrisH | mjg59: same effect... nvidia and nv. I have taken photos and will upload them. Give me a sec. | 08:08 |
| ddaa | daniels: I can only assume xorg is hoary stuff... | 08:08 |
| mjg59 | ChrisH: Weird | 08:10 |
| daniels | ddaa: hoary + external archive | 08:10 |
| daniels | ddaa: read your list mail | 08:10 |
| mjg59 | daniels: Massive breakage shifting from xfree->xorg if I was using the i830 drm previously | 08:10 |
| ddaa | daniels: sure... just have a few hundreds of them | 08:10 |
| daniels | mjg59: the bios probably needs poking in a non-vesa way for non-vesa modes | 08:10 |
| mjg59 | Oopses all over the place | 08:10 |
| daniels | mjg59: does it go away if you restart? | 08:10 |
| mjg59 | daniels: For the DPMS stuff, it shouldn't really matter | 08:10 |
| mjg59 | But yeah... | 08:10 |
| daniels | mjg59: you'd think not ... | 08:11 |
| mjg59 | Doing it on the console is likely to be safe | 08:11 |
| daniels | yah | 08:11 |
| daniels | hence the chvts in thinkpad-x40-support | 08:11 |
| daniels | which I need to resurrect now I've lost my sources for the new stuff | 08:11 |
| mjg59 | Christ. Now the firmware loader has broken again. | 08:12 |
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| ChrisH | mjg59: http://workaround.org/dpms/ | 08:12 |
| daniels | mjg59: not my fault! | 08:13 |
| mjg59 | ChrisH: Haha | 08:13 |
| mjg59 | That is *so* cool | 08:13 |
| ChrisH | mjg59: Very funny. ;) | 08:13 |
| mjg59 | I've no idea why it's happening, though | 08:13 |
| ChrisH | mjg59: Looks like C=64 retro style. Perhaps you should offer a "--no-commodore-64" option. | 08:13 |
| daniels | whoa, that's bong | 08:15 |
| mjg59 | daniels: Is composite on by default? | 08:15 |
| mjg59 | Ah, yes | 08:15 |
| daniels | mjg59: no | 08:15 |
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| mjg59 | Oh, maybe that was elft over from me palying with stuff at some point, then | 08:15 |
| daniels | mjg59: Section "Extensions"\n\tOption\t"Composite"\t"Enabled"\nEndSection | 08:15 |
| daniels | mjg59: noting that composite and GLX are currently mutually exclusive | 08:15 |
| mjg59 | Ha, no - I wanted it off | 08:16 |
| daniels | what, you don't enjoy X crashing repeatedly? :P | 08:16 |
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| mjg59 | daniels: Strange as it may seem... | 08:17 |
| daniels | mjg59: but it's fun ... you can get backtraces and send them to us | 08:18 |
| thom | daniels: he's not allowed to play with X till he fixes the firmware loader ;-) | 08:18 |
| daniels | mjg59: btw, xorg fixes the only-one-X-instance-at-once problem | 08:18 |
| daniels | thom: that's what you think. but which is more shiny? :) | 08:18 |
| thom | daniels: swsusp | 08:18 |
| daniels | thom: fwiw, it's 2C right now, and I just went running before in a singlet and shorts. does London get much colder? | 08:19 |
| daniels | thom: yeah, fair point | 08:19 |
| thom | is the ultimate shiny | 08:19 |
| thom | ok, you're a freak | 08:19 |
| daniels | thom: although, in winter, not having any suspend at all and starting X compiles is the ultimate shiny | 08:19 |
| thom | london probably won't be any colder than that, no | 08:19 |
| daniels | thom: you put it in your backpack and it warms your back a bit :) | 08:19 |
| ddaa | mjg59: kernel news: cpufreq works however the firmware for ipw2200 still fails to load. | 08:19 |
| thom | heh | 08:19 |
| daniels | thom: to be fair, as I said, I was running | 08:19 |
| mjg59 | ddaa: Hmm. | 08:19 |
| ddaa | mjg59: suspend to ram... suspended... and that's about all. | 08:20 |
| ddaa | It won't wake up. | 08:20 |
| mjg59 | ddaa: Weird. | 08:20 |
| ddaa | Want me to run some additional diagnostic? | 08:21 |
| mjg59 | ddaa: What do you mean by won't wake up? | 08:22 |
| ddaa | The moon led stays lit, no cpu or hd activity, no reaction to keyboard or lid actions. | 08:22 |
| ddaa | It's sleeping for all I can tell. | 08:23 |
| mjg59 | Right | 08:23 |
| nasdaq4088 | interesting article: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1714680,00.asp#talkback | 08:23 |
| mjg59 | Have you tried the power button? | 08:23 |
| ddaa | Short presses have no effect. | 08:23 |
| ddaa | A long press will probably shut it down though. | 08:23 |
| mjg59 | Try for a couple of seconds | 08:23 |
| mjg59 | Less than 4, but more than 1 | 08:23 |
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| ddaa | Done. No effect. | 08:24 |
| mjg59 | Hrm. | 08:24 |
| mjg59 | Can you reboot it and take a look at the contents of /proc/acpi/wakeup ? | 08:24 |
| mjg59 | Meanwhile... | 08:24 |
| mjg59 | Any hotplug gurus around? | 08:24 |
| ddaa | mjg59: btw, it's still w/o any acpi_sleep option. | 08:25 |
| mjg59 | ddaa: Shouldn't make any difference | 08:26 |
| ddaa | Not that it should make any difference from what you said. | 08:26 |
| mjg59 | (Well, in theory) | 08:26 |
| ddaa | mjg59: LID | 08:27 |
| ddaa | mjg59: LID and SLPB have sleep state = 3 and status = *enabled. | 08:28 |
| ddaa | all the rest is sleep state 3 and status disabled except for PCI1 and AC9M which have sleep state 4. | 08:29 |
| ddaa | not the * in "*enabled" | 08:29 |
| ddaa | *note the * | 08:29 |
| mdz | mjg59: what about hotplug? | 08:32 |
| mjg59 | mdz: How many arguments should the kernel be passing to hotplug when it's loading firmware? | 08:32 |
| mdz | mjg59: I'm not sure it passes any arguments; it should send a few environment variables | 08:33 |
| mdz | # ACTION=%s [add or remove] | 08:33 |
| mdz | # DEVPATH=%s [in 2.5 kernels, /sys/$DEVPATH] | 08:33 |
| mdz | # FIRMWARE=%s | 08:33 |
| mjg59 | Ah | 08:33 |
| zopi | does acpi=off is writting on the wiki for Via Chipset ? | 08:34 |
| zopi | because before enable it Ubuntu was very slow to install and booting ! | 08:34 |
| mdz | zopi: I have a VIA chipset and it works fine without acpi=off | 08:34 |
| zopi | mdz : arf | 08:34 |
| mjg59 | ARGH, YOU BLOODY USELESS PIECE OF SOFTWARE. | 08:38 |
| === mjg59 discovers that the hotplug is trying to send firmware to /initrd/sys | ||
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| mjg59 | ddaa: Can you try umount /initrd and then rmmod ipw2100; modprobe ipw2100 | 08:41 |
| mjg59 | Hrm. No, that /shouldn't/ be it | 08:42 |
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| ddaa | mjg59: umount: /initrd: device is busy | 08:45 |
| === ddaa goes single user | ||
| ddaa | device is still busy | 08:47 |
| mjg59 | ddaa: Ah - umount /initrd/sys | 08:49 |
| mjg59 | Then umount /initdr | 08:49 |
| mjg59 | I see what the problem is... | 08:49 |
| ddaa | seems to work better | 08:51 |
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| ddaa | okay, that I had to fiddle a bit to unfuck resolvconf, but I can now ping the outside world. | 08:54 |
| mjg59 | ddaa: There's a new initrd-tools at http://www.srcf.ucam.org/ | 08:54 |
| mjg59 | ~mjg59/laptops | 08:54 |
| ddaa | no additional action requested besides installing it? | 08:55 |
| mjg59 | If you could install that and then either reinstall the same kernel image or do mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.whatever | 08:55 |
| === ddaa will stick to good'ol dpkg | ||
| ChrisH | Some of you guys are probably still maintaining Debian packages. Are you using Ubuntu on your workstations and doing packages from there? Or do you have a seperate installation for Sid. I'd like to reinstall to Ubuntu but am not sure if I will break anything. | 09:01 |
| ddaa | mjg59: dude, you rock | 09:02 |
| mjg59 | ddaa: Excellent | 09:02 |
| thom | ChrisH: use a debian chroot, but i'd strongly recommend you keep a sid partition around for testing | 09:02 |
| ddaa | but suspend to ram is stiff fubared | 09:03 |
| mjg59 | ddaa: That's a bit weird. I've just tested it here. | 09:03 |
| ddaa | mjg59: actually, on wake-up, it emits a small bip and the battery led turns on. | 09:03 |
| ddaa | Then that's all... | 09:03 |
| mjg59 | Hrm. | 09:04 |
| mjg59 | ddaa: Can you try with init=/bin/bash ? | 09:04 |
| ChrisH | thom: I'd probably use pbuilder or debootstrap anyway. So I guess it could be possible. | 09:04 |
| ddaa | mjg59: not right now, I'm called for dinner. | 09:04 |
| ddaa | mjg59: but I'll do when I get back. | 09:04 |
| mjg59 | ddaa: Heh, no problem :) | 09:05 |
| __randy___ | Where to do I go to submit a package request for Hoary? | 09:07 |
| thom | mjg59: ok, that initrd-tools has fixed wireless for me | 09:10 |
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| mjg59 | ddaa: Hmm, I can reproduce that now | 09:11 |
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| mjg59 | ddaa: Ah, got it | 09:21 |
| mjg59 | ddaa: It needs the PCI hotplug drivers blacklisted | 09:21 |
| Mithrandir | YAY! | 09:24 |
| Mithrandir | fakeroot has stopped segfaulting | 09:24 |
| thom | cool | 09:24 |
| Mithrandir | seems I got completely rid of TLS in the process, though :/ | 09:24 |
| thom | ah | 09:24 |
| thom | possibly not ideal | 09:24 |
| Mithrandir | possibly very non-ideal. :/ | 09:25 |
| lupus_ | the 2 icons in the panel | 09:27 |
| lupus_ | firefox, evolution and help | 09:27 |
| lupus_ | by which package are they put there? | 09:28 |
| seb128_ | gnome-panel | 09:28 |
| lupus_ | because the evolution icon points to evolution-2.0 | 09:28 |
| lupus_ | instead to evolution | 09:28 |
| seb128 | will be fixed in the next upload | 09:29 |
| lupus_ | k | 09:29 |
| mjg59 | Hmm. I'm now very, very confused about the suspend/resume issue. | 09:44 |
| ddaa | mjg59: still want me to try with init=/bin/bash? | 09:58 |
| mjg59 | ddaa: If you could, that'd be great | 09:58 |
| ddaa | I s'pose that I should remove ro option too? | 09:58 |
| mjg59 | init=/bin/bash seems to work fine for me. If I run hotplug, things don't work. If I load the same modules by hand, things do work. | 09:58 |
| mjg59 | There's something subtle going on | 09:58 |
| lupus_ | k I have music on a vfat partition | 10:01 |
| lupus_ | but if you mount a filesystem | 10:01 |
| lupus_ | you can not point to the link on the desktop | 10:01 |
| lupus_ | to the filesystem | 10:02 |
| lupus_ | created by gnome-vfs (g-v-m,hal) | 10:02 |
| lupus_ | nm | 10:04 |
| lupus_ | the problem seems to be that the old app does not support this kind :S | 10:05 |
| lupus_ | in it's fileselector | 10:05 |
| ddaa | what's the command to remount root as rw? | 10:06 |
| thom | mount -o remount,rw / | 10:07 |
| ddaa | I'm definitely not managing to get something out of that init=/bin/bash situation | 10:14 |
| ddaa | mjg59: okay, if I hack off /etc/init.d/hotplug, then s3 works okay in single user mode. | 10:27 |
| mdz | elmo: around? | 10:30 |
| Mithrandir | doko: around? | 10:32 |
| ddaa | mjg59: okay, with hotplug hacked off, I can suspend-to-ram and it wakes up okay. | 10:42 |
| ddaa | even if full multi-user mode. | 10:43 |
| ddaa | of course, suspend to disk, cpufreq, and the ipw2200 (once loaded manually) still work okay | 10:44 |
| ddaa | however, the hibernate key is inoperative... but I suppose that's because I am missing some module. | 10:46 |
| === ddaa awaits further requests | ||
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| ddaa | mjg59: wow... | 11:20 |
| ddaa | did /etc/init.d/hotplug stop, then pressed the sleep button. | 11:20 |
| ddaa | It worked.... | 11:20 |
| ddaa | Now, try to figure that one out :-) | 11:21 |
| ddaa | nevermind, was using warty kernel.... (me blushes) | 11:22 |
| mjg59 | ddaa: I think there's some strange timing issue or something | 11:25 |
| ddaa | Mh... anything to back that up, or it's just because you just have no idea? | 11:25 |
| mjg59 | I'm finding that I get some strange messages from acpi under certain circumstances with this kernel | 11:27 |
| mjg59 | Odd stuff about functions returning AE_TIME | 11:27 |
| Mithrandir | thom: it seems libc is at fault, but we build glibc the same as debian, where the problem doesn't show. | 11:28 |
| Mithrandir | thom: so I'm thinking of blaming doko. | 11:28 |
| Mithrandir | (or gcc) | 11:28 |
| mjg59 | Which is odd, because there's almost no difference between 2.6.10-rc1-bk17 and 2.6.10-rc1 | 11:29 |
| mjg59 | In terms of acpi, anyway | 11:29 |
| ddaa | Well, maybe you can make me a 2.6.10-rc1 kernel so I can test what is going on? | 11:29 |
| ddaa | That would narrow the problem somewhat. | 11:30 |
| mjg59 | Ah - the previous kernel I gave you had more recent acpi | 11:30 |
| mjg59 | Hang on, let me try something... | 11:30 |
| mjg59 | Hrm. Damnit, this may require rebuilding all the modules as well. | 11:33 |
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