[12:00] <Matt|> logan2048, can you ping an ip address?
[12:00] <andril> Any helpers with sound issues here - Just installed C-Media 8738 Soundcard
[12:00] <Xenguy> stuNNed: cool
[12:00] <logan2048> LinuxJones, it's trying to do the dhcpdiscover on 255.255.255.255, is that normal?
[12:00] <Xenguy> stuNNed: if warty is based on debian 'sid', then that makes sense
[12:00] <logan2048> Matt|, no.  network unreachable.
[12:01] <LinuxJones> logan2048,  ifconfig -a | grep inet
[12:01] <LinuxJones> logan2048,  what's the output of that command
[12:02] <logan2048> LinuxJones, two inet6 entries, and "inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0"
[12:02] <LinuxJones> logan2048,  that must be the wrong module for your network card
[12:02] <Matt|> what type of net card is it?
[12:03] <tom_> lance, you still there?
[12:03] <logan2048> It's a Cnet Pro200..
[12:03] <Matt|> what sort is that?
[12:03] <Matt|> wired?
[12:03] <Matt|> build in?
[12:04] <logan2048> LinuxJones, when I downloaded the drivers from the distributor, it came with the dmfe stuff (from 2001).  someone here told me to use the modprobe to add it since it's common or whatever.
[12:04] <logan2048> Matt, it's a pci 10/100 wired nic.
[12:04] <Matt|> ok
[12:04] <Dre[A] mcatcher> say a question, i left my computer running ubuntu for a whyle and now i return but there's just a black screen with a flikkering whyte underscore lighting up
[12:04] <Dre[A] mcatcher> how would i return to my desktop?
[12:04] <jps> hi all. i'm on ubuntu on a pentium m laptop, and alsa seems to think my integrated speakers are headphones (and the sound quality is quite low). have you heard of anyone else having this problem?
[12:05] <Matt|> Dre[A] mcatcher, it's not the screensaver?
[12:05] <Dre[A] mcatcher> no
[12:05] <Dre[A] mcatcher> cause nothing happens when i press a button
[12:05] <Matt|> hmm
[12:06] <Matt|> have you tried pressing the up or down keys or the return button?
[12:06] <Dre[A] mcatcher> its like when you boot, a whyte underscore on a totaly black screen
[12:06] <Dre[A] mcatcher> i know it didnt cut out cause my irssi is still running on other server
[12:06] <wm_eddie> damn, tseng's ubuntu mono repository is too old.
[12:06] <diesel> Hi.  I just installed Ubuntu.  Everything looks good except there is a black X in the middle of my screen.  Anyone know how to fix this?
[12:07] <wm_eddie> diesel: I've heard of this before.
[12:07] <logan2048> Matt|, any idea what I could do with this thing?
[12:07] <LinuxJones> diesel,  >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/hwcursor
[12:07] <Matt|> logan2048, fraid not much. I'm surprised it isn't supported out of the box
[12:07] <icu> has anyone had any trouble with their system freezing when you close the lid?
[12:07] <Matt|> logan2048, the key is that the light will come on when you insert the correct module
[12:08] <LinuxJones> logan2048, it sounds like a problem with your network, maybe a bad cable or router needs some tweaking
[12:08] <logan2048> Matt|, the light on the nic?
[12:08] <Matt|> logan2048, yes
[12:08] <Matt|> icu, laptop?
[12:08] <icu> Matt|: yes, dell 600m
[12:08] <logan2048> LinuxJones, It worked fine with Fedora Core 2 and 3 (test3) this afternoon.
[12:08] <diesel> LinuxJones, thank you!
[12:09] <Dre[A] mcatcher> matt, any suggestions what could be up as i cant figure out how to get back to my screen?
[12:09] <Matt|> icu, does it come back up when you lift up the lid?
[12:09] <ions> why is Synaptic asking me to insert the Warty disc when I try and install something?
[12:09] <BigNastyKid909> does anyone know the command to run any file...e.g.: .png, .jpeg in the terminal??
[12:09] <Matt|> Dre[A] mcatcher, fraid not
[12:09] <Matt|> Dre[A] mcatcher, maybe you could kill the Xserver
[12:09] <Dre[A] mcatcher> dammit, it happens all the time
[12:09] <icu> Matt|: no the problem is that it freezes entirely and I have to hold down the powerbutton to kill it
[12:09] <tmartin> hey all
[12:09] <tom_> have a problem regarding my video card ppls, just installed the drivers and ran UT2K3 to test it..
[12:09] <logan2048> Matt|, the light on the nic is on.. heh.
[12:09] <Dre[A] mcatcher> i cant do anything, there is no commandprompt
[12:09] <tom_> keep getting error in my console saying
[12:09] <Matt|> logan2048, ok module is correct
[12:10] <tom_> fcntl: Operation not permitted
[12:10] <tom_> fcntl: Operation not permitted
[12:10] <tom_> Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[12:10] <tom_> History:
[12:10] <Todd_MA_1975> ions: because you have the cdrom listed as a repository
[12:10] <tom_> Exiting due to error
[12:10] <Matt|> icu, you can remove the script which makes it blank when you close the lid
[12:10] <tmartin> does anyone know of program that allows me to run xwindows apps on a remote machine
[12:10] <ions> in sources.list?
[12:10] <icu> Matt|: I did and it still freezes
[12:10] <tmartin> something that would allow me to catch the X windows calls through an ssh shell or something
[12:10] <Todd_MA_1975> ions: yes
[12:10] <LinuxJones> Tom_, did you make the changes to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ?
[12:10] <Matt|> icu, you removed /etc/acpi/events/whatever?
[12:10] <icu> ya
[12:10] <Matt|> damn
[12:10] <ions> well I am looking at that file now and I don't see that listed
[12:10] <diesel> One more question:  I was not asked for the root password upon setup, how do I create the root user with the password that I want?
[12:11] <Matt|> diesel, you don't need a root user
[12:11] <LinuxJones> tmartin, vino, tightvnc
[12:11] <Matt|> diesel, you can use the sudo command to get root privileges with your first user account
[12:11] <tom_> LinuxJones, I think so
[12:11] <icu> Matt|: i'm guessing it's a bug in acpid
[12:11] <tom_> i should probable check though
[12:11] <Matt|> icu, i guess so too: it is full of bugs
[12:11] <BigNastyKid909> diesel: run the root terminal, type in passwd to change password
[12:11] <icu> Matt|: I didn't have it with mainline debian unstable though
[12:11] <diesel> hmm, no root user.  that is strange
[12:11] <Matt|> icu, acpi is not working properly on my computer
[12:11] <LinuxJones> diesel, the root account is locked by default, use sudo instead and typr your user password
[12:11] <Todd_MA_1975> ions: Do you see it listed in Synaptic under settings repsoitories?
[12:12] <merlin0> hello
[12:12] <Kal_Zakath> diesel : if you want to su in a term, just sudo -s
[12:12] <merlin0> what is prelink?
[12:12] <Matt|> icu, i have never had it before on other distros either
[12:12] <LinuxJones> Tom_, cat  /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | grep nv
[12:12] <ions> ahh thanks! Todd_MA_1975
[12:12] <Matt|> icu, have a look for the bug and if there isn't one then file it!
[12:12] <LinuxJones> Tom_, it needs to return nvidia
[12:12] <mirak> I have a sound problem
[12:12] <mirak> I have no sound
[12:12] <tom_> LinuxJones, this is an ATI card though
[12:12] <icu> i searched for lid and there wasn't anything
[12:13] <Matt|> icu, ok
[12:13] <merlin0> mirak: you hardware is know working in linux?
[12:13] <mirak> I have sound already, but it dispaeated
[12:13] <LinuxJones> Tom_, oh sorry
[12:13] <icu> Matt|:  i'll remove acpid and see if that fixes it
[12:13] <Todd_MA_1975>  ions: It is safe to remove if you want - then it will donwload from Ubuntu.  It is also the very first line in the sources.list which is easy to miss
[12:13] <LinuxJones> Tom_, that won't work then will it ;P
[12:13] <icu> Matt|: i'll shut it down
[12:13] <mirak> merlin0: yes, it was working not later than 3 hours
[12:13] <tom_> LinuxJones, hehe, probalby not ^^
[12:13] <Matt|> icu, there seem to be a couple of acpi services in ubuntu: i don't understand how it works
[12:13] <tom_> LinuxJones, radeon 9200, is there a command I can type in to check?
[12:14] <LinuxJones> Tom_, lsmod
[12:14] <andril> sound issue here too
[12:14] <logan2048> Matt|, if that's the right module for my nic, theres still hope, right? ;)
[12:14] <tom_> LinuxJones, just type that in?
[12:14] <Matt|> logan2048, yu[
[12:14] <Matt|> logan2048, network must be set up wrong
[12:15] <Matt|> which devices have you got in "ifconfig -a"?
[12:15] <ions> Now when I open Synaptic I get this error: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open(11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:15] <tom_> LinuxJones, K, list of random things
[12:15] <LinuxJones> Tom_, yes and look for the fglrx (or whatever it is)
[12:15] <Matt|> ions, that is when you are (a) already using the database, i.e. from a terminal, or (b) are not root
[12:15] <yann__> how do i install a debian src package (java-virtual-machine-dummy) as described in the java for ppc howto?
[12:15] <LinuxJones> Tom_, I don't have an ATI card so I don't know the module name exactly
[12:15] <Matt|> does anyone recognise this error message: ** (process:3912): CRITICAL **: file eggdesktopentries.c: line 2223 (egg_desktop_entries_add_group): assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[12:16] <logan2048> Matt|, eth0, lo, sit0
[12:16] <Matt|> ok
[12:16] <tom_> LinuxJones, line says fglrx                 207876  0
[12:16] <Matt|> logan2048, set up your network using the network-admin program
[12:16] <Matt|> logan2048, you are using x right?
[12:16] <logan2048> Matt|, yeah..
[12:17] <Matt|> k
[12:17] <andril> C-Media 8736 Sound Card Issues - any help?
[12:17] <Matt|> sorry andril :(
[12:17] <LinuxJones> Tom_, maybe it's a problem with the game and this version of x-server. Best to check google with the error you posted earlier.
[12:17] <andril> Matt|: is it that bad?
[12:18] <Matt|> andril, it means I can't help: I don't know anything about sound
[12:18] <tom_> LinuxJones,  thatr reminds me: ther is another error I just started getting
[12:18] <Matt|> sorry
[12:18] <logan2048> Matt|, this is what I have been using..  that and playing with /etc/network/interfaces..  neither seem to work.
[12:18] <ions> Matt|: that was the problem (I had a Synaptic instance open) ty
[12:18] <tom_> LinuxJones,  when i try to open screen resolution changer, I get:
[12:18] <Matt|> logan2048, oh sorry: i came in midway through your problem i guess
[12:18] <Matt|> logan2048, you have a router?
[12:19] <tom_> The X Server does not support the XRandR extension.  Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available.
[12:19] <logan2048> Matt|, thats fine.  :)  Yeah, a Linksys router/AP
[12:19] <andril> brb
[12:19] <Matt|> can you ping it?
[12:19] <LinuxJones> tom_, the resolutions are not in your x-server config file.
[12:19] <logan2048> Matt|, host unreachable.
[12:19] <tom_> LinuxJones, is there some way i can fix that
[12:20] <icu> Matt|: Apparently not a acpid bug as it still died after I had shutdown the daemon
[12:20] <Matt|> icu, check for any oter daemons called acpi ;)
[12:20] <tom_> LinuxJones, only started getting this one after installing the driver
[12:20] <Matt|> logan2048, oh dear
[12:20] <Matt|> logan2048, you are using dhcp?
[12:21] <LinuxJones> tom_, read the top of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 about making manual changes to the file. After doing what it says >> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:21] <logan2048> Matt|, at the moment I have it statically setup..  but I don't care either way..  when I use DHCP it can't find a dchp offer
[12:21] <icu> Matt|: there's [kacpid] 
[12:22] <tom_> LinuxJones, how can I read it?
[12:22] <tom_> LinuxJones, ohh, I see
[12:22] <Matt|> icu, acpi-support?
[12:22] <tom_> LinuxJones, whoops ^^
[12:22] <LinuxJones> tom_, heh
[12:22] <Matt|> logan2048, :(
[12:23] <Matt|> logan2048, your router has gone down briefly you think?
[12:23] <mirak> help
[12:23] <logan2048> Matt|, nope.. using it with this computer..  and the system ubuntu is on now worked fine with Fedora 2 today..
[12:23] <mirak> I really don't know what I must do to get the sound back
[12:24] <Matt|> logan2048, what were you using to obtain dhcp offer?
[12:24] <Matt|> dhclient?
[12:24] <logan2048> Matt|, it looks for dhcp on 255.255.255.255, is this normal?  cause I know that's not where the dhcp should be, and if I can change that/specify that, it might help.
[12:24] <Matt|> logan2048, give it a try
[12:24] <tom_> LinuxJones, so, do I just run those three commands then?
[12:24] <tom_> cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom
[12:24] <tom_> #   md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
[12:24] <tom_> #   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:24] <logan2048> Matt|, it was automated in the network restart stuff.  - how would I specify the dhcp sever location?
[12:25] <Matt|> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[12:25] <logan2048> hrrm. okay.
[12:25] <encryptio> APT Question: Is there a way to delete the package lists? Or, re-get the entire listing?
[12:26] <Matt|> encryptio, press the refresh button?
[12:26] <Matt|> apt-get update?
[12:26] <Matt|> hey where has /etc/network/interfaces gone in hoary?
[12:27] <encryptio> Not apt-get update, the opposite (kind of). I want to delete the files, like i never got the list.
[12:27] <Matt|> oh it is still there sorry
[12:27] <Matt|> encryptio, sorry dunno
[12:27] <Matt|> encryptio, why do you want to do that?
[12:28] <kensai> where is the the grub splashscreen in the ubuntu artwork now?
[12:28] <encryptio> Matt|, I want to try something. I have a hunch it'll change what packages are missing.
[12:30] <robertj> is their new wallpaper available yet?
[12:30] <robertj> October is so last month ;)
[12:30] <Matt|> lol
[12:30] <Matt|> robertj, yup
[12:30] <LinuxJones> tom_, yeah then you should be able go through and select more monitor resolutions
[12:30] <robertj> is it not in hoary?
[12:31] <Matt|> robertj, don't think so
[12:31] <Todd_MA_1975>  robertj: IT's not in hoary yet....Theyhaven't figured out the "right" way to add it to hoary
[12:31] <robertj> uh oh, this is a serious problem
[12:32] <robertj> hrmm
[12:32] <Matt|> lol
[12:32] <encryptio> I've tried to install several packages, that I _know_ exist. Like grip, and parts of kde. Error Message: "E: Package grip has no installation candidate", and before that, "Package grip is not available, but is reffered to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source." I have universe set up.
[12:32] <Dre[A] mcatcher> a question, i want both the flash and the java plugin for mozilla whats the package name so i can apt-get them?
[12:32] <robertj> I need to learn more about apt-pinning-foo
[12:32] <Todd_MA_1975> robertj: It is a nice picture...
[12:32] <robertj> is it linked on the wiki anywhere?
[12:32] <socomm> encryptio: you need to search for the actual package name for instance `apt-cache search grip | grep -i grip'
[12:32] <LinuxJones> encryptio, did you apt-get update ?
[12:33] <logan2048> Matt|, I don't know, maybe I didn't know what I thought I did. lol
[12:33] <encryptio> socomm, it's not there. but in another installation, also up-to-date, it is there and installable.
[12:33] <mirak> hey, plz help me or give me an hint, the device /dev/dsp doesn't work anymore, I don't know why
[12:33] <Matt|> logan2048, huh?
[12:34] <encryptio> mirak, are you part of the group "sound" or "audio"?
[12:34] <LinuxJones> encryptio, are you using synaptic ?
[12:34] <logan2048> Matt|, trying to get that DHCP to work.  I thought I could specify the location of the dhcp server, but I didn't know what I was doing.
[12:34] <socomm> encryptio: have you edited  your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[12:34] <encryptio> LinuxJones, i can, but i usually use dselect.
[12:34] <mirak> enabl: 29(audio)
[12:34] <mirak> yes
[12:35] <encryptio> socomm, yes. to include main, security, and universe.
[12:35] <LinuxJones> encryptio, I think you need to update the repoistory lists apt-get update
[12:35] <socomm> encryptio: I'm guessing you've ran apt-get update too.
[12:35] <encryptio> LinuxJones, socomm, I have.
[12:35] <Dre[A] mcatcher> a question, i want both the flash and the java plugin for mozilla whats the package name so i can apt-get them?
[12:35] <encryptio> many times.
[12:35] <socomm> Interesting.
[12:36] <LinuxJones> encryptio, I have grip available for install you must have messed up your sources.list entries
[12:36] <encryptio> I've had this problem with every debian-based install in my history.
[12:36] <encryptio> LinuxJones, http://interweb.us/~encryptio/sources.list.txt
[12:36] <mirak> encryptio: anyother idea ?
[12:37] <mirak> Dre[A] mcatcher: I am not sure there is a pacjage
[12:37] <encryptio> mirak, sorry, that's the only one that I have. I've gotten around it with the grouping thing, but nothing else.
[12:37] <Dre[A] mcatcher> mirak, do you know another way to get the plugins
[12:37] <mirak> google
[12:37] <Dre[A] mcatcher> cause internet without them is like a computer without os, useless
[12:37] <Dre[A] mcatcher> i meant something more direct ^^
[12:38] <mirak> sice it's not free no
[12:38] <LinuxJones> encryptio, here is my list >> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe multiverse
[12:38] <socomm> encryptio: does apt update properly, IE: no errors?
[12:38] <mirak> knoppix have a nice way to install flash though
[12:38] <encryptio> Dre[A] mcatcher, try searching the forums. The java for mozilla is there, i'm thinking flash is too.
[12:38] <encryptio> socomm, yep. it updates fine.
[12:38] <mirak> Dre[A] mcatcher: java can't be redistributed
[12:38] <Phr0stByte> Yeah! Updated nVidia drivers, Baby!!!
[12:38] <Dre[A] mcatcher> k
[12:39] <mirak> pfff
[12:39] <mirak> I am a bit pissd
[12:39] <Phr0stByte> ?
[12:39] <mirak> pissed about the sound
[12:39] <Phr0stByte> why?
[12:39] <mirak> I have tried almost everything
[12:39] <encryptio> what happens, exactly?
[12:39] <mirak> I have sound before but now I don't
[12:39] <mirak> esd won't start
[12:39] <robertj> Okay here is a stumper
[12:40] <mirak> it says that /dev/dsp is an unkown device
[12:40] <robertj> open a terminal, run this game using sdl. No sound. Open a terminal. Run a command, any command, run the game, sound works
[12:40] <mirak> /dev/dsp: No such device
[12:40] <mirak> robertj: mmm what ?
[12:40] <mirak> wich game ?
[12:40] <robertj> mirak: wesnoth
[12:41] <socomm> robertj: does sdl spit out an error like ( /dev/dsp in use)?
[12:41] <mirak> scuse me I am playing gnometris
[12:41] <mirak> lol
[12:41] <mirak> I am kidding
[12:41] <robertj> no audio device available
[12:41] <mirak> I have this error
[12:41] <mirak> robertj: wesnoth ?
[12:41] <socomm> robertj: another application is probably using sound, whilst sdl cannot access /dev/dsp.
[12:42] <robertj> socomm: but if I start the terminal and run ls and run the game it works fine
[12:42] <socomm> robertj: hmm, you may want to report it as a bug to the wesnoth team.
[12:43] <Matt|> robertj, that is awesome
[12:43] <robertj> Matt: yeah, any command at all makes it work
[12:43] <encryptio> i'll be back in a sec.. got to switch to wireless.
[12:43] <Matt|> even a "command not found"?
[12:43] <robertj> nope, command not found doesn't work
[12:43] <Matt|> lol
[12:43] <Matt|> crazy
[12:43] <icu> Matt|: It's a kernel bug cause I can did at the beginning of the bootup sequence as it says "loading ubuntu..." and it still freezes
[12:44] <Matt|> icu, oh i c
[12:44] <robertj> true, ls, whoami, all seem fine
[12:44] <Matt|> icu, file it
[12:44] <icu> Matt|: happens both with 386 and 686 kernels
[12:44] <encryptio> anyone here ever fixed a workspace count error when running 3ddesktop?
[12:44] <Matt|> icu, it is an error on their build i guess
[12:45] <Matt|> icu, file it and it will be fixed quick
[12:45] <icu> encryptio: yes go into the config file and enable "workspaces"
[12:45] <robertj> do you think the mixer takes its hands off those devices or something?
[12:45] <robertj> like "oohh someone needs to use this"
[12:45] <icu> through what Matt|?
[12:45] <Matt|> ubuntu bugzilla
[12:45] <encryptio> icu: what config file?
[12:46] <icu>  /etc/3ddesktop/3ddesktop.conf
[12:47] <socomm> robertj: report the bug to the wesnoth team, but it is most likely that your audio is probably being usde by another process.
[12:47] <robertj> I think it may have something to do with the "click" made from clicking the terminal window
[12:47] <socomm> robertj: yeah probably a problem with esd.
[12:48] <encryptio> icu: change what?
[12:48] <socomm> robertj: I've done some programming with SDL and it will usually not get audio if another application, esd in this instance, is using the audio device.
[12:49] <icu> encryptio: uncomment the line workspace   on
[12:49] <robertj> socomm: I bet clicking the terminal icon and causing the"click" makes it happen again
[12:49] <socomm> robertj: did you compile esd support into SDL/SDL_mixer?
[12:49] <robertj> err takes the device back
[12:49] <robertj> so: i'm using the stock config
[12:49] <socomm> robertj: try disabling esd, that my help.
[12:49] <yann__> has someone experience with mol (mac on linux), espacially how is the speed? is it worth it?
[12:50] <robertj> killall esd did the job
[12:50] <socomm> robertj: esd from gnome's start up, or add support for esd in your SDL's build.
[12:50] <robertj> so it is esd conflicting
[12:50] <socomm> robertj: well there you go :^)
[12:50] <encryptio> icu: still only one workspace: "get property WIN_WORKSPACE failed - setting one" and then the same about WIN_WORKSPACE_COUNT
[12:50] <robertj> I guess we should pretty please either debian upstream or ubuntu to do this
[12:50] <robertj> but sdl is in universe
[12:51] <socomm> robertj: did you install SDL from a binary package, or compile it yourself?
[12:51] <robertj> from the package
[12:51] <icu> encryptio: uncomment the emwh line aswell
[12:52] <socomm> robertj: it probably is not compiled with esd support then. Try installing the esd `dev' package, and compiling SDL/SDL_mixer from scratch. That will allow SDL to utilize esd for sound.
[12:52] <socomm> robertj: that or just kill esd whenever you wanna play an SDL game :^)
[12:52] <robertj> btw, I killed esd and started it and now I don't have any sound in gnome
[12:53] <robertj> does it need to run as user gdm or something?
[12:53] <socomm> GNOME uses esd for sound.
[12:53] <Dre[A] mcatcher> anyone mind helping me with the install of java on my machine, i coudnt find it in the thread on the forums
[12:53] <encryptio> icu: thx, got it working now. had to set the texturesize too, my videocard isn't very good.
[12:53] <socomm> robertj: you can just launch esd as a regular user.
[12:53] <icu> encryptio: np, put something the wiki, had to figure this out myself
[12:54] <robertj> socomm: didn't fix it
[12:54] <socomm> Dre[A] mcatcher: install from SUN's website, that's how I installed. Oh  if you install from SUN don't forget to make all the proper links to your browser and /usr/bin directories.
[12:54] <encryptio> icu: I will, once I get back from playing pool.
[12:55] <socomm> robertj: you'll probably have to restart GNOME for esd to be lauched properly.
[12:55] <robertj> brb
[12:56] <Dre[A] mcatcher> socomm: there's a thread on the forums, im trying to follow it but i get an error
[12:56] <Dre[A] mcatcher> when i try to move the files it says the files are not found
[12:56] <socomm> Dre[A] mcatcher: you probably got the wrong path. You can just press tab to complete commands and paths.
[12:58] <socomm> Dre[A] mcatcher: for instance type `ls /us' then press [TAB]  and it will automatically complete the command for you.
[12:59] <robertj> okay, got the problem
[12:59] <robertj> sudo apt-get install libsdl1.2debian-esd
[12:59] <robertj> socomm: excuse my lazyness, but I'm err, lazy
[12:59] <[ZACK] > hey, I would like to add more sources to my sources.list I would like the DEBIAN sources. Anyone have a list of them?
[01:00] <Hoodster> Hi All
[01:00] <robertj> Zack: try #debian
[01:00] <[ZACK] > k
[01:01] <robertj> how can I see all packages installed that suggest libsdl1.2debian-oss
[01:01] <robertj> that's not a base package is it?
[01:01] <robertj> so I guess one of these games suggested it
[01:02] <Hoodster> I am trying to syn gnome-pilot with my Palm m505. I have tried /dev/ttyUSB0 and /dev/ttyUSB1 but neither work. I have modprobe usbserial and modprobe visor, but neither work. dmesg indicates that the palm is detected. Not sure what else to do. Anyone have any tips?
[01:04] <socomm> robertj: so does it work now?
[01:04] <robertj> oky here is the skinny
[01:04] <robertj> wesnoth, as does probably every other sdl game, depends on libsd1.2debian
[01:05] <encryptio> Dre[A] mcatcher, there's a wiki piece on java: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[01:05] <robertj> which depends on either libsdl1.2debian-oss, libsdl1.2debian-esd, libsdl1.2debian-arts, libsdl1.2debian-all, or libsdl1.2debian-alsa
[01:05] <robertj> by default it installs libsdl1.2debian-oss
[01:06] <mirak> there is no modconf in ubuntu ?
[01:06] <socomm> robertj: so just get libsdl-esd.
[01:06] <robertj> so if the ubuntu package is changed to provide libsdl1.2debian-esd instead of oss by default, then all sdl games become happy
[01:06] <icu> Matt|: I submitted the bug. What's the response time on these things typically?
[01:06] <robertj> I've already apt-get installed libsdl1.2-debian-esd and everything works
[01:06] <socomm> Hooray!
[01:06] <Matt|> icu, v quick
[01:07] <andril> hello aain
[01:07] <icu> Matt|: A day?
[01:07] <andril> *again
[01:07] <robertj> is esd staying the default with Ubuntu 2?
[01:07] <Matt|> icu, when i submitted my bug, it was allocated real quick and i got some responses straight away. it isn't fixed yet tho :(
[01:07] <mirak> icu: what is the bug ?
[01:07] <Matt|> *my acpi bug
[01:07] <andril> I have sound now - but not with Mulimedia apps - any help???????
[01:07] <robertj> or will eventually gstreamer & gnome get pushed over to alsa backends?
[01:08] <robertj> does Gnome even support any sinks besides esd?
[01:08] <icu> mirak: Pressing the lid sensor on my dell 600m causes everything to freeze even when booting the kernel. Did not happen with pure debian.
[01:08] <robertj> is it currently using gstreamer which goes to esdsink>
[01:08] <andril> Matt|: how about you? I have sound now but not with sound apps
[01:08] <socomm> robertj: don't think so. esd == gnome artsd == kde.
[01:08] <mirak> robertj: you have sound problems too ?
[01:09] <robertj> esd == dieing
[01:09] <robertj> esd is on it's way out
[01:09] <socomm> I think most multimedia apps have an option for which driver you want to use.
[01:10] <robertj> is there any way to apply patchsets to universe packages?
[01:10] <socomm> robertj: no, patches are applied to source files.
[01:11] <tmartin> hi im trying to have a remote machine connect to mine so i can view it over x windows.  Ive set the DISPLAY env variable on the machine to my machine address but the remote machine still says it cant connect to an X Server.  Anyone know what im talking about?
[01:11] <redemption> Hello
[01:11] <robertj> socomm: its just a virtual package, it could probably be fixed by hand if policy permits it
[01:11] <redemption> Anyone know where ubuntu's distribution of nautilus hides the scripts directory?
[01:13] <robertj> okay this is tupid
[01:13] <robertj> I need to file an upstream bug with debian
[01:13] <robertj> libsdl1.2debian-all should be provided by libsdl1.2debian
[01:14] <GnuHippy> DMA mode won't stay enabled on my drivers
[01:14] <GnuHippy> drives**
[01:14] <fissy> tmartin, are you doing X forwarding over ssh?
[01:14] <socomm> GnuHippy: try adding a script to enable it on boot.
[01:15] <[Siff] > how should i change permissions on a mounted partition? or can i get it to prompt me for a pass when i want to access it?
[01:17] <redemption> Siff, could you change the permissions in fstab so the permissions will be set when you mount it?
[01:18] <redemption> Anyone know where to put nautilus scripts with ubuntu?
[01:18] <fissy> can't you just change the permissions of the folder the partition is mounted to?
[01:18] <fissy> ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/
[01:18] <redemption> thanks.
[01:19] <redemption> fissy
[01:19] <[Siff] > redemption: should i put it in fstab if i only need to access it tonight?
[01:20] <redemption> siff, no probably not, in that case, are you able to change permission to the directory that the stuff is mounted to?
[01:21] <redemption> fissy, That doesn't seem to work for me, any idea why?
[01:22] <mirak> how do I enable oss ?
[01:22] <cardador> redemption: make the scripts executable
[01:22] <fissy> redemption, fairly sure
[01:22] <redemption> ...ah... *sigh* I feel really stupid.
[01:22] <socomm> mirak: you probably gotta load a module.
[01:22] <redemption> Thanks cardador, fissy
[01:23] <chibifs> I don't remember floppy disk drives being so... slow
[01:23] <fissy> did making them executable do the job? i'd have thought it wouldn't matter since its run by interpreter
[01:23] <redemption> I haven't tried yet, but I'm trying right now.
[01:24] <tmartin> anyone know how i can configur xhost so i dont keep getting the msg "access control disable, clients can connect from any host"
[01:24] <bur[n] er> tmartin: xhost+
[01:24] <bur[n] er> uhh... that's supposed to be a plug
[01:24] <redemption> yep, that worked.  the scripts just need to have the executable permission set.
[01:24] <bur[n] er> plus even
[01:24] <stuNNed> what samba tool does network-admin use?
[01:24] <zenwhen> Kamion, I just wanted to give you Kudos on warty warthog being a great release and having fixed all the things I whined o you about a long while back.
[01:24] <redemption> Cardador, fissy, once again, thanks.
[01:24] <zenwhen> to*
[01:24] <fissy> ok, i'll remember that redemption :D
[01:24] <tmartin> after the + i put the remotes servers machien address?
[01:25] <chibifs> I shall finish it... I shall have Ubuntu on my laptop if it takes me all month >.<;
[01:26] <[Siff] > redemption: ugh, how do i do that from a console? only root has perms right now
[01:26] <Matt|> what is the difference between flashplayer-mozilla and flashplugin-nonfree?
[01:27] <socomm> Matt|: is there a description
[01:27] <redemption> sudo chmod ugo+rw -R "name of directory"
[01:27] <redemption> that should work Siff
[01:27] <Matt|> socomm, yes but i don't understand it
[01:28] <Matt|> plus, has anyone else had flash problems when going to hoary?
[01:28] <socomm> what does flashplayer-mozilla description say?
[01:28] <redemption> Siff, However, that will make everything in that directory readable and writable by everyone, until you reset the remissions, I believe.
[01:28] <socomm> Matt|: no issues here.
[01:28] <diesel> I have downloaded libdvdcss2 and w32codecs, yet totem still does not want to play DVDs?  Any suggestions.
[01:28] <Matt|> Macromedia Flash Player
[01:28] <Matt|> The Flash Player lets you experience animation and entertainment in your
[01:28] <Matt|> Mozilla web browser.
[01:28] <billytwowilly> Matt|,  got a webpage I can use to find out?;)
[01:28] <Matt|> ok i have discovered the difference
[01:29] <Matt|> Billytwowilly what do you want to find out?
[01:29] <socomm> Matt|: flashplayer-mozilla is probably automated, where flashplayer-nonfree requires user intervention.
[01:29] <billytwowilly> diesel, totem with gstreamer is a pile of garbage.. use mplayer or xine
[01:29] <[Siff] > redemptionwould taking the last w out of the ugo+rw make it read-only?
[01:29] <Matt|> socomm, yeah think so
[01:29] <billytwowilly> Matt|, If flash is busted
[01:29] <Matt|> socomm, i'll just reinstall flashplayer-mozilla
[01:30] <Matt|> billytwowilly, oh. http://mdke.mine.nu
[01:30] <socomm> Matt|: for what it's worth I installed flash by hand.
[01:30] <Matt|> billytwowilly, clock applet on the left hand side
[01:30] <Matt|> socomm, oh i c
[01:30] <Matt|> socomm, maybe a better idea
[01:30] <ys> how can i make my default mp3 player xmms?
[01:30] <socomm> Matt|: maybe ...
[01:30] <Matt|> socomm, the flashplayer-mozilla package is called ...-warty ;)
[01:30] <Matt|> no sorry
[01:30] <Matt|> woody
[01:30] <redemption> Siff, yep
[01:31] <socomm> Matt|: I don't have that package in my cache.
[01:31] <billytwowilly> Matt|, works fine, except when I click on it it gets a bit messed up.
[01:31] <Matt|> socomm, i'll just download it by hand
[01:31] <[Siff] > redemption, I/O error... thanks so much anyway, lol
[01:31] <socomm> Matt|: good luck.
[01:32] <Matt|> socomm, what is the flashplayer for linux like atm? last time i used it it wasn't as good as in windows
[01:33] <mirak> I about to throw ubuntu by the window
[01:34] <Matt|> mirak, you keep saying your system is working then it buggers up
[01:35] <Matt|> mirak, do you think the problem could be due to user-intervention ;p
[01:35] <mirak> user interventions through synaptic or apt
[01:35] <redemption> siff, hmmm, is the drive already mounted?
[01:35] <mirak> it seems there is lot of broken deps
[01:36] <[Siff] > redemption: i did 'mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb2 /mnt/winxp'
[01:37] <socomm> Matt|: Don't know I haven't used Windows for several years now. But for my use, mostly flash movies/games,  it works perfectly.
[01:37] <[Siff] > redemption: i can see it in nautilus, and get a properties window
[01:37] <Matt|> socomm, i can't play some flash games v well they are a bit jerky
[01:37] <redemption> ...Ah, you are trying to mount a ntfs filesystem.  are you trying to make it writable?
[01:37] <redemption> That will be dificult.
[01:38] <redemption> difficult
[01:38] <Matt|> difficult = suicidal
[01:38] <socomm> Matt|: probably your processor.
[01:38] <[Siff] > haha, actually no, under no circumstances do i want to modify it
[01:38] <Matt|> socomm, lol
[01:38] <encryptio> does anyone know how to set keyboard shortcuts to run a command line program?
[01:38] <[Siff] > just read it
[01:38] <Billox> does anyone know if postfix's mail command can be used to send an attachment?
[01:38] <Matt|> socomm, the flash games run faster than on windows, but much more jerky
[01:38] <socomm> Matt|: have you tried lowering the quality?
[01:38] <Matt|> socomm, is an idea
[01:38] <redemption> it's already mounted, siff?
[01:39] <Matt|> socomm, at the moment i have a problem with it tho
[01:39] <Matt|> same as billytwowilly: the flash displays are jerky
[01:39] <socomm> Matt|: you can try reporting as a bug to macromedia, though I doubt they'll care.
[01:39] <Matt|> socomm, if you go to http://mdke.mine.nu, does the clock go screwy when you click on the screen or address bar
[01:39] <Matt|> socomm, it is only since updating to hoary
[01:39] <Matt|> socomm, must be firefox-0.10
[01:40] <[Siff] > did i mount it wrong to be read-only?
[01:40] <socomm> Matt|: let me check.
[01:40] <[Siff] > redemption: i did 'mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb2 /mnt/winxp'
[01:40] <Matt|> socomm, also try http://www.190.it
[01:40] <socomm> Matt|: could not be found.
[01:40] <Heisenberg> good afternoon, fellow ubuntuers: how do I prevent Ubuntu to revert to the default dns IP (192.168.1.1) even though I have saved the actual ones (again and again)...???
[01:40] <redemption> Siff: yet, you can't read it?
[01:41] <[Siff] > i mounted it from the root console
[01:41] <Matt|> socomm, for me, when i click on the address bar, the flash movie blacks out and refills
[01:41] <Heisenberg> ...and even edited resolv.conf?
[01:41] <mirak> how can I force removing of OSS sound system ?
[01:41] <Matt|> socomm, http://mdke.mine.nu is up i think!
[01:42] <redemption> siff: try this "sudo chmod -R o+rx 'name of directory'"
[01:42] <socomm> 190.it worrks fine here.
[01:42] <Matt|> socomm, what v of firefox?
[01:42] <socomm> Matt|: and mdke.mine.nu displays fine too.
[01:42] <Heisenberg> after rebooting, that us...
[01:42] <socomm> 0.9.3
[01:42] <Heisenberg> er, is
[01:42] <Matt|> socomm, damn you
[01:42] <Matt|> the problem is only after going to hoary i said
[01:43] <socomm> How do I upgrade?
[01:43] <Matt|> anyone on hoary and has flash installed with their firefox browser?
[01:43] <socomm> apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:43] <Matt|> socomm, it is unstable
[01:43] <Heisenberg> works here..
[01:43] <[Siff] > chmod: `/mnt/winxp': Input/output error
[01:44] <socomm> Matt|: hmmm.
[01:44] <Matt|> Heisenberg, what works?
[01:44] <socomm> [Siff] : ntfs?
[01:45] <Heisenberg> er, sorry.. Matt, I have warty, not hoary..
[01:45] <Matt|> >_>
[01:45] <Heisenberg> still, can somebody please give me a hint why Ubuntu continues to use the wrong DNS after every new boot??
[01:46] <keknehv> How do I stop gnome from opening everything in a new window?
[01:46] <encryptio> allright, a 3ddesktop howto is now in the wiki. (by me).
[01:46] <encryptio> now i'm gonna play pool.
[01:47] <Matt|> encryptio, cool good work
[01:47] <Matt|> keknehv, go to applications --> system tools --> configuration editor
[01:47] <diesel> what are the sources to get mplayer for ubuntu?
[01:47] <Matt|> keknehv, then go to apps --> nautilus --> preferences and change "always use browser" to true
[01:47] <redemption> Siff: try unmounting the device then mounting it again with -o ro -t ntfs
[01:48] <[Siff] > redemption: i did -t ntfs
[01:49] <[Siff] > should i try -o ?
[01:49] <redemption> siff: nvrmind that won't work.
[01:49] <redemption> just a sec.
[01:50] <Matt|> anyone on HOARY and has flash installed with their firefox browser?
[01:51] <cardador> me
[01:51] <Matt|> cardador, have you any problems with it?
[01:51] <Matt|> cardador, try http://www.190.it : my problem is that when i click the address bar or minimise and then restore the window, the flash video blacks out and refills as the video proceeds
[01:51] <cardador> Matt|: yes, some black images
[01:51] <ions> how do I start ssh?
[01:51] <Matt|> cardador, ok
[01:52] <Matt|> ions, ssh
[01:52] <Matt|> ions, followed by the address
[01:52] <cardador> ions: or you can use nautilus
[01:52] <Heisenberg> Matt, could you give me a hint regarding the DNS server issue?
[01:52] <Matt|> Heisenberg, i would like to, but i suck at computers
[01:52] <ions> yeah I can ssh out but when someone tries to ssh into my box it gets blocked
[01:52] <Heisenberg> ah..
[01:52] <Matt|> ions, you got an sshd server running?
[01:53] <Matt|> cardador, what are we gonna do about these black images>
[01:53] <ions> no - that's what I ned
[01:53] <ions> *need
[01:53] <Matt|> ions, ok
[01:53] <Heisenberg> cheers,
[01:53] <cardador> Matt|: dont know, i guess its a bug
[01:53] <Matt|> cardador, i'm gonna file it against firefox
[01:53] <cardador> Matt|: ok
[01:53] <Matt|> :)
[01:53] <Matt|> i love feeling like i'm playing a part
[01:54] <cardador> Matt|: do you have a nvidia card?
[01:55] <redemption> okay, Siff, try 'sudo mount -o umask=000 -t ntfs /dev/hdb2 /mnt/winxp'
[01:55] <redemption> Siff: that should work.
[01:55] <Matt|> cardador, nope
[01:55] <Matt|> cardador, ATI, am running it in 2d atm
[01:56] <mxpxpod> it there a way to easily switch over to gcc-3.4 for compiles?
[01:56] <Matt|> mxpxpod, not really: you can run gcc-3.4 manually as a command
[01:57] <mxpxpod> Matt|: ok
[01:57] <ions> the connection is refused when my friend tries to ssh into my box yet I can ssh out
[01:58] <ddaa> I added new configuration instruction for ThinkPad T42p on "https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops". Feedback (on the wiki page) welcome.
[01:58] <kensai> My dvd-rom was not in the pc when I installed ubuntu If I connct it now will ubuntu recognize it and add it to /etc/fstab ?
[01:58] <azeem> ions: the ssh server is disabled by default
[01:58] <cardador> ions: try sudo apt-get install sshd
[01:58] <redemption> Siff: that work?
[01:58] <ions> E: Couldn't find package sshd
[01:58] <azeem> openssh-server
[01:59] <ions> :)
[01:59] <Mojo_Jojo> Hi, I get this error when I try to run nwn Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)
[01:59] <azeem> Mojo_Jojo: that's a generic error
[01:59] <Mojo_Jojo> oh...ok what causes it?
[02:00] <azeem> anything could cause it I guess
[02:00] <Matt|> cardador, i've submitted it as bug 3302, feel free to add
[02:00] <shank_> why is the kernel cache'ing so much of the fs?
[02:00] <[Siff] > umount: /mnt/winxp: device is busy
[02:00] <[Siff] > umount: /mnt/winxp: device is busy
[02:00] <shank_> its really degrading my performace
[02:00] <Matt|> nite nite
[02:00] <Mojo_Jojo> ok, how can I fix it so I can play nwn??
[02:00] <shank_> oh nm
[02:01] <redemption> mojo, the linux game faq deals with this.
[02:01] <Mojo_Jojo> redemption, do you have a link?
[02:01] <redemption> ... just a sec.
[02:02] <Mojo_Jojo> ok
[02:02] <jdub> shank_: it's not degrading your performance.
[02:02] <redemption> mojo, how'd you install nwn?
[02:02] <shank_> jdub, i was looking at top on the wrong machine :-)
[02:02] <redemption> mojo: http://icculus.org/lgfaq/
[02:02] <Mojo_Jojo> using an installer a friend sent me
[02:02] <Mojo_Jojo> thanks for the link
[02:02] <jdub> shank_: regardless, that idea is wrong.
[02:03] <legba> umm
[02:03] <shank_> jdub, quick heckling me
[02:03] <legba> anyone wanna walk me through using another kernel?
[02:03] <jdub> pays to know how stuff works :)
[02:03] <legba> can i simply download the k7 kernel and fix grub?
[02:03] <shank_> jdub, your assuming i don't
[02:03] <azeem> legba: install crosshurd from Debian unstable
[02:03] <Mojo_Jojo> wow thats alot of links haha
[02:03] <legba> hmm?
[02:03] <legba> azeem how do i unmask the unstable packeages?
[02:04] <jdub> shank_: "why is the kernel cache'ing so much of the fs? its really degrading my performace"
[02:04] <legba> i'm quite new to debian sorry
[02:04] <azeem> actually, perhaps crosshurd is in universe, dunno
[02:04] <jdub> shank_: based on that, i thought i'd help you understand what's going on
[02:04] <shank_> jdub, yes, cause i thought it was caching 410MB worth of shit on a 512mB laptop while swapping out 300mb of stuff
[02:04] <legba> synaptic is quite nice i must admit
[02:04] <Hikaru79> Are the ubuntu repositories down? o_O
[02:04] <shank_> jdub, but as i said, i was looking at the wrong top
[02:05] <[ZACK] > Hey, I just got Mplayer on CVS. I am left with a folder called "Main" I also have the FFMPG too. What should I do now?
[02:05] <legba> hmm
[02:05] <redemption> Mojo: that actually doesn't deal with the problem, sorry.
[02:05] <legba> is there a default rootpass?
[02:05] <BenZor> evening ubuntu people!
[02:05] <legba> i don
[02:05] <azeem> legba: no
[02:05] <BenZor> legba- use "sudo"
[02:06] <legba> wasn't asked for one during instal...
[02:06] <redemption> mojo: are you in the directory you installed nwn to when you run nwn?
[02:06] <housetier> [ZACK]  what do you want to do?
[02:06] <legba> hmm
[02:06] <BenZor> legba- your account has administrative privledges, just login as you and use sudo
[02:06] <legba> odd.
[02:06] <legba> is this a typical debian convention?
[02:06] <[ZACK] > housetier i want to install Mplayer
[02:06] <azeem> legba: not if you ran Mac OS X before
[02:06] <azeem> legba: no
[02:06] <Mojo_Jojo> redemption, yeah i'm running it strait from the directory
[02:07] <legba> well it's an athlon - and yes i run osx too
[02:07] <legba> this will be put on the g4 if things work out
[02:07] <jdub> legba: it works the same way as osx (almost)
[02:07] <housetier> [ZACK]  isnt that in one of the repositories? also I heard its easier to use the tarball than the cvs tree
[02:07] <legba> and i do know sudo
[02:07] <legba> :P
[02:07] <legba> so where shall i go to find crosshurd?
[02:08] <desp> legba: if you want root, you can just set the root password
[02:08] <redemption> ...hmmm, I'm sorry Mojo, I don't think I know what's wrong. sorry.
[02:08] <legba> desp sudo passwd?
[02:08] <azeem> legba: you should try to go without a root password
[02:08] <desp> sudo passwd root
[02:08] <Mojo_Jojo> redemption, thats ok :)
[02:08] <desp> I think
[02:09] <desp> or just use sudo su
[02:09] <legba> hmm
[02:09] <azeem> legba: and do not worry about crosshurd, that was probably ill advice
[02:09] <legba> well true enough i can't think of a reason to have root
[02:09] <desp> azeem: you can fuck up your system quite thoroughly just using sudo
[02:09] <socomm> `sudo -s' then `passwd' to change roots password.
[02:09] <legba> thanks - would at least like to set it randomly
[02:09] <socomm> desp: do you gotta specify root?
[02:10] <azeem> legba: why?
[02:10] <legba> umm
[02:10] <socomm> azeem: security reasons maybe?
[02:10] <jdub> legba: it's currently disabled, which is more secure than 'randomly set'
[02:10] <legba> well presumably all ubuntu has same pass?
[02:10] <desp> socomm: hm, I guess not...
[02:10] <legba> ;)
[02:10] <legba> ah thanks jdub
[02:10] <jdub> legba: *disabled*
[02:11] <legba> just what is crosshurd?
[02:11] <legba> cross compilation?
[02:11] <azeem> Description: Install a Debian system
[02:11] <legba> heh
[02:11] <legba> pretty sure i got onea those.
[02:12] <azeem> the basic idea of crosshurd is to install another kernel (like BSD, or GNU/Hurd), which you asked for
[02:12] <azeem> but I guess that wasn't *really* what you asked for
[02:12] <Adrenal> whats the name of that app that shows weather and system details on the desktop?
[02:12] <cardador> Adrenal: gdesklets
[02:13] <Adrenal> how do i get it?
[02:13] <cardador> Adrenal: install it with synaptic
[02:13] <Adrenal> of course
[02:15] <Adrenal> cheers
[02:17] <[ZACK] > hey, i was trying to compile Mplayer and I got this error: zack@ubuntu ~/MPlayer-1.0pre5 $ /home/zack/MPlayer-1.0pre5/configure
[02:17] <[ZACK] > Detected operating system: Linux
[02:17] <[ZACK] > Detected host architecture: i386
[02:17] <[ZACK] > Checking for cc version ... not found
[02:17] <[ZACK] > Checking for gcc version ... not found
[02:17] <[ZACK] > Checking for gcc-3.3 version ... not found
[02:17] <[ZACK] > Checking for gcc-3.2 version ... not found
[02:17] <[ZACK] > Checking for gcc-3.1 version ... not found
[02:17] <[ZACK] > Checking for gcc3 version ... not found
[02:17] <[ZACK] > Checking for gcc-3.0 version ... not found
[02:17] <[ZACK] > Checking for cc version ... not found
[02:17] <[ZACK] > *** Please downgrade/upgrade C compiler to version gcc-2.95.x or gcc-3.x! ***
[02:17] <[ZACK] > You are not using a supported compiler. We do not have the time to make sure
[02:17] <[ZACK] > everything works with compilers other than the ones we use.  Use either the
[02:17] <[ZACK] > same compiler as we do, or use --disable-gcc-checking but DO *NOT* REPORT BUGS
[02:17] <[ZACK] > unless you can reproduce them after recompiling with a 2.95.x or 3.x version!
[02:17] <jdub> it is trying to tell you that you need to install a compiler
[02:17] <[ZACK] > Note for gcc 2.96 users: Some versions of this compiler are known to miscompile
[02:17] <[ZACK] > mplayer and lame (which is used for mencoder).  If you get compile errors,
[02:17] <[ZACK] > first upgrade to the latest 2.96 release (minimum 2.96-85) and try again.
[02:18] <aitrus> holy flood batman
[02:18] <[ZACK] > If the problem still exists, try with gcc 3.x (or 2.95.x) *BEFORE* reporting
[02:18] <[ZACK] > bugs!
[02:18] <[ZACK] >         GCC 2.96 IS NOT AND WILL NOT BE SUPPORTED BY US !
[02:18] <[ZACK] >     *** For details please read DOCS/HTML/en/users-vs-dev.html ***
[02:18] <diesel> On the debian website there is an option to boot from a floppy and perform a net install.  Is that option available for Ubuntu?
[02:18] <jdub> dude
[02:18] <[ZACK] > Error: Bad gcc version
[02:18] <jdub> please don't paste here
[02:18] <[ZACK] > Check "configure.log" if you do not understand why it failed.
[02:18] <[ZACK] > zack@ubuntu ~/MPlayer-1.0pre5 $
[02:18] <jdub> it is trying to tell you that you need to install a compiler
[02:18] <[ZACK] > ...... what should Ido?
[02:18] <nomasteryoda> open new tab dude then do it that way
[02:18] <housetier> [ZACK]  please don't do that again
[02:18] <nomasteryoda> direct to one person
[02:18] <jdub> [ZACK] : install mplayer from marillat's repository instead of building it
[02:18] <mirak> hi
[02:19] <jdub> [ZACK] : you don't have a compiler, and if you don't know that error means you don't have one, you should be using packages
[02:19] <mirak> when I try to acces the sound mixer I got this error : No volume control elements and/or devices found.
[02:19] <diesel> Lost in Zack's garbage, I asked:  Is there a Ubuntu net install option that I can start from a floppy?
[02:19] <jdub> diesel: no
[02:19] <diesel> damn!
[02:20] <jdub> diesel: though you could do a minimal woody install, and upgrade (following the directions on the wiki)
[02:20] <[ZACK] > sorry guys, I am new to IRC and I didnt know that would happen, i wont come back again, i promise. I just wanted some help
[02:20] <aitrus> [ZACK] : don't run away with your tail between your legs.  live and learn.
[02:20] <aitrus> [ZACK] : now you know.
[02:21] <[ZACK] > sorry
[02:21] <aitrus> [ZACK] : do you have  "build-essential" isntalled
[02:21] <aitrus> doh
[02:21] <mirak> gnome believes my mixer is my bttv card
[02:22] <desp> I changed my text and background colors in gedit to white-on-black, but the text insertion point (cursor) remains black.  is this because gedit sucks, or because I missed something?
[02:22] <jdub> mirak: i bet your kernel believed it first :)
[02:22] <jdub> mirak: load your sound card's module in /etc/modules
[02:22] <jdub> that ought to fix it
[02:23] <mirak> the module is loaded
[02:23] <mirak> I force loading in /etc/modules
[02:23] <mirak> I mean it's already in it
[02:23] <jdub> before your bttv module?
[02:23] <mirak> I don't know about the before, but I think so
[02:24] <diesel> jdub, that is probably what I will do.  thanks for the suggestion.
[02:25] <Adrenal> i installed it, alongside some library thing
[02:25] <Adrenal> and it won't start
[02:26] <geKow> good evening (or so)
[02:26] <Adrenal> anyone?
[02:26] <Adrenal> i installed gdesklet, and it won't run
[02:26] <VR^> i downloaded "warty-release-install-i386.iso.torrent" from http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/ ... how can i check if the file is complete?
[02:27] <niroht> your bittorrent program should tell you when the download is complete
[02:27] <ben_> hi
[02:28] <geKow> may I ask a newbie question?
[02:28] <defendguin> geKow, NO
[02:28] <geKow> ok
[02:28] <VR^> niroht, it did. i just wanted to be sure it's complete
[02:28] <niroht> VR^,  you can compair your .iso file to the .md5
[02:29] <niroht> a491903a2d2197651864dec3836d85e0  warty-release-install-i386.iso
[02:30] <desp> hello!?
[02:31] <desp> is it possible in gedit, the default Ubuntu editor, to have the cursor visible over a black background?
[02:32] <LinuxJones> geKow, what is your question :P
[02:32] <Hikaru79> I just installed the "3ddesktop" package... how do I activate it? ^^ ;;
[02:33] <geKow> oh... I just installed ubuntu on my older laptop and it won't recognize my wifi card
[02:33] <Adrenal> c'mon, anyone know why gdesklet won't run?
[02:33] <LinuxJones> geKow, have a look here >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[02:33] <legba> well looka this
[02:33] <legba> synaptic just installed new kernel :)
[02:34] <Hikaru79> =O
[02:34] <Hikaru79> Synaptic can install new kernels?? >_>
[02:34] <housetier> did it run "lilo" too?
[02:34] <housetier> ;)
[02:34] <legba> yup :)
[02:34] <legba> well grub anyhoo
[02:34] <Adrenal> anyone at all?
[02:35] <[ZACK] > Hey, you probably know me from a while ago for my flood. I have a question now. To install Mplayer I have to copy the codecs in a directory where it requires root responsibilitys. What is the command where I can create a new folder in usr/local/lib?
[02:35] <Hikaru79> sudo
[02:35] <Hikaru79> Just type 'sudo' and then the command
[02:35] <legba> sudo mkdir usr/local/lib
[02:35] <Hikaru79> And it'll ask you for the password, put it in
[02:36] <BenZor> How do you start samba?
[02:36] <Pizbit> [ZACK] : Why can't you just insall the w32codecs package?
[02:37] <desp> Pizbit: is it available for PPC?
[02:37] <Pizbit> No idea
[02:37] <Pizbit> PPC = foreign to me:)
[02:38] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[02:38] <legba> hmm
[02:39] <Mojo_Jojo> Hey, in UTGOTY it installer and runs but when I change the resoultion to 102x768 it doesnt look good at all :(
[02:40] <[ZACK] > how do I add .dlls to a root responsibility folder?
[02:42] <legba> 102x768 is quite low...
[02:42] <Mojo_Jojo> it just fine for me...and it looks good on my monitor
[02:42] <legba> i think you might be meaning 1024x768...
[02:42] <[ZACK] > can someone awnser my question
[02:43] <[ZACK] > please?
[02:43] <Mojo_Jojo> legba, yeah thats it
[02:43] <crimsun> [ZACK] : would you rephrase? It's unclear.
[02:44] <[ZACK] > i need to add some files to a root folder.
[02:44] <cardador> [ZACK] : what exactly do you want to add?
[02:44] <[ZACK] > ALOT of dll files
[02:44] <[ZACK] > codecs
[02:44] <desp> so the cursor color is hardwired in gedit. jesus
[02:44] <cardador> [ZACK] : use synaptic and install w32-codecs
[02:45] <desp> I can't believe I'm the first person that'd want to have white text on a black background in an editor
[02:45] <[ZACK] > i dont know what synaptic is
[02:45] <crimsun> [ZACK] : are you using the Ubuntu distribution?
[02:45] <legba> synaptic is in system menu
[02:45] <cardador> [ZACK] : computer > syst config > synaptic
[02:45] <[ZACK] > k
[02:46] <legba> quite a nice app
[02:46] <Pizbit> Don't think he has the marillat respository somehow.
[02:46] <cardador> Pizbit: multiverse dont have it?
[02:46] <Mojo_Jojo> this sucks one games wont play and another has shtty resolution haha what a night
[02:46] <crimsun> I'm not even sure he's using Ubuntu.
[02:46] <[ZACK] > i am
[02:46] <Pizbit> cardador: Nah, tis marillat
[02:47] <Pizbit> [ZACK] : Read this and add the marillat repository in synaptic, hit "reload" then install w32codecs http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:49] <[ZACK] > how do I add it?
[02:49] <[ZACK] > nvm
[02:49] <niroht> why would gdm display my dualheads correctly, but once i log in X only displays 1 monitor correctly?
[02:50] <legba> that was very helpful pizbit, thanks
[02:50] <legba> it's a lot easier than with rpm-based distros
[02:51] <legba> though i must say gentoo takes the cake here :P
[02:51] <geKow> well... my card isn't listed in that page... its an RTL8180 based one
[02:52] <Pizbit> legba: I agree, it's much nicer to spend several days waiting for a full usable system than following 2 minutes worth of instructions:)
[02:52] <legba> desp you may want to try kwrite
[02:52] <desp> in gnome?
[02:52] <Pizbit> Enough of that though:)
[02:53] <legba> pizbit hehe - yeah i know gentoo isn't for the impatient - sorry offtopic ;)
[02:53] <legba> desp kwrite seems to run fine in gnome...
[02:53] <legba> you could also try emacs
[02:53] <desp> actually, I'm reading a vim tutorial now
[02:54] <geKow> LinuxJones  my card isn't listed in that page... its an RTL8180 based one
[02:54] <legba> hehe
[02:54] <ben_> back
[02:54] <legba> well i'm very biased here so i'll let you use vim.
[02:54] <crimsun> vimtutor? :-)
[02:55] <chemaja> i'm running a fresh ubuntu warty install, with an NVIDIA TNT 16MB card, using the 'nv' driver. I've just installed 'gstreamer0.8-mpeg2dec' so that totem-gstreamer can play MPEG video. It works, but the video is *slightly* jerky. This wasn't the case when running FedoraCore2 on the same hardware, with the 'nv' driver. However, I *was* using the 'xine' backend. Has anyone else noticed similar problem with the gstreamer backend?
[02:56] <mjr> I'd wager it's the gstreamer backend, it's only now being fixed to play video back properly
[02:57] <mjr> recommend that you use totem-xine for now
[02:57] <chemaja> mjr: ok, thanks.
[02:57] <Pizbit> chemaja: If you want to use the xine backend you can get w32codecs from this link, if you enable universe you can switch to totem-xine  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:57] <chemaja> Pizbit: thanks.
[02:58] <legba> hehe that link is quite usefull
[02:58] <LinuxJones> geKow, >> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/answers.php?action=viewarticle&artid=286
[02:58] <Pizbit> legba: It gets pasted, a lot.
[02:58] <ben_> does anyone know how i can configure powernowd to scale back the cpu when running on battery?
[02:59] <geKow> oh, thx a lot
[02:59] <Pizbit> legba: It's still 1 per 1000 lines in my log file:) I noticed how often it showed up so I became interested in the ratio
[02:59] <LinuxJones> geKow, ndiswrapper is installed by default I believe
[02:59] <timello> evandro, fala bixo
[02:59] <niroht> any thoughts on my dualhead gdm vs x problem ?
[02:59] <legba> not a bad ratio... maybe add it to topic?
[03:00] <ben_> anyone?
[03:00] <legba> niroht is the other monitor setup in gnome?
[03:00] <Freedomzen> ok like ubuntu and do not wanna scratch it...but enemy-territory will not start I have started it from the console and it hangs on sound initialization has anyone seen this?
[03:00] <legba> i've used things like xinerama to do that
[03:00] <Pizbit> Freedomzen: killall -9 esd then run it
[03:00] <Freedomzen> thx
[03:01] <chemaja> ooh, totem-xine wants to remove 'ubuntu-desktop' (not that i mind losing the copyright or changelog) :)
[03:01] <Pizbit> Probably a nicer way to stop esd but I don't care.
[03:01] <Pizbit> chemaja: That's fine
[03:01] <Freedomzen> heh I need my ET
[03:01] <chemaja> Pizbit: yea i know... but it would scare the hell out of some noobs :)
[03:01] <legba> lol
[03:01] <Pizbit> chemaja: You have no idea...
[03:01] <mjr> chemaja, it has :)
[03:01] <niroht> legba, setup how? i've tried fireglcontrol, and modifying XF*4 in /etc/X11 ... havn't done anything with xinerama, unsure what it is exactly
[03:01] <legba> that kinda bugs me :P
[03:02] <legba> you have a firegl?
[03:02] <chemaja> Pizbit: so I'm guessing 'ubuntu-desktop' is useful if you want to revert to a semi-clean ubundu intstall..
[03:02] <legba> xinerama is a fancy pants way to display on multiple monitors
[03:02] <chemaja> i'm also guessing noone has used it for that purpose
[03:02] <niroht> i don't think so, but the wiki (or somewhere) said you can use it to control how the monitors act, has no effect it seems tho
[03:03] <legba> ah wel if you don't have a firegl i'd leave that alone ;)
[03:03] <niroht> legba, how would i setup the 2nd one in gnome, other then in XFConfig-4
[03:03] <legba> they tend to be expensive cards - which is why i asked.
[03:03] <niroht> right
[03:03] <legba> apt-get xinerama
[03:03] <ben_> ...
[03:03] <evandro> timello, fala capitao
[03:03] <legba> err
[03:04] <[ZACK] > is there anyway to get root without sudo?
[03:04] <legba> synaptic :P
[03:04] <ben_> can anyone help me?
[03:04] <legba> zack what you need root for?
[03:04] <chemaja> [ZACK] : i think 'sudo -s' is what you're after
[03:04] <[ZACK] > thanks :)
[03:05] <Freedomzen> [ZACK] , or sudo passwd
[03:05] <Freedomzen> new password
[03:05] <Freedomzen> then su
[03:05] <Freedomzen> :/
[03:05] <Pizbit> chemaja: Well, if you dis-upgrade to hoary(not now, but when it's released) it will come into effect since they'll have added some dependencies too it which means you wont get some new stuff, but you can just install it again then then reinstall totem-xine after the upgrade:)
[03:05] <chemaja> [ZACK] : beware the subtle differences in the environment as compared to a full 'su -' login
[03:05] <[ZACK] > ok
[03:05] <Freedomzen> Pizbit, that worked great btw thx
[03:06] <niroht> legba, it is 'xinerama' right? apt-get/synaptic cant find it
[03:06] <Freedomzen> pbwebing it now
[03:07] <chemaja> Pizbit: ok, but would NOT installing 'ubuntu-desktop' and dist-upgrading leave your system in an inconsistent state?
[03:08] <Pizbit> Probably not I reckon:)
[03:08] <[ZACK] > OK, how do I OPEN a folder as root.
[03:08] <chemaja> Pizbit: i'm guessing it wouldn't break anything, but it might cause many Ubuntu installations to eventually deviate from the intended Ubuntu upgrade path. Maybe not with Hoary, but with the next release down the track (ie. if more than one dist-upgrade is done without 'ubuntu-desktop')
[03:09] <cardador> [ZACK] : its easier if you explain what you want to do
[03:09] <chemaja> [ZACK] : you mean in Nautilus, right
[03:09] <Se7h> sorry
[03:12] <mjr> shure
[03:12] <Pizbit> NP:)
[03:12] <mitochondyu> need help with xine....
[03:12] <mjr> a shame, really, that it's necessary; I hope gstreamer gets polished up soon, it's clearly the Way To Go otherwise ;)
[03:13] <mitochondyu> when i use full screen video seem pixelated
[03:13] <Pizbit> mitochondyu: Poor quality video?
[03:13] <mitochondyu> :((
[03:13] <mitochondyu> yupe
[03:13] <Pizbit> There you go...
[03:13] <mitochondyu> i use regular xine-gui
[03:14] <mitochondyu> using radeon 9700pro
[03:14] <mitochondyu> xv as video driver
[03:14] <mitochondyu> tryed others still the same
[03:14] <ben_> i need to know how to scale back the cpu
[03:15] <linuxalien> Hiya Chuck, it's me Joe
[03:16] <nonmon> i need to know how to install the nvidia driver init 3 doesnt work
[03:16] <linuxalien> Is it possible to switch to command line (without X) in Ubuntu by typing "init 3" as root? Or do you have to do it another way?
[03:16] <crimsun> nonmon: did you install the restricted modules package?
[03:16] <Pizbit> linuxalien: Open a terminal?
[03:17] <mjr> linuxalien, don't know about that, but changing init levels is unnecessary; /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:17] <Pizbit> Er, what exactly do you want?
[03:17] <nonmon> how do i do that... i just installed it today
[03:17] <linuxalien> Pizbit: I think mjr gave me the answer. :)
[03:17] <linuxalien> mjr: Thanks!
[03:17] <crimsun> nonmon: which kernel are you using? `uname -r`
[03:18] <mjr> (of course, if you just meant that you want a text console without necessarily stopping X, normal ctrl-alt-f[1-6]  will do)
[03:18] <legba> hmm
[03:19] <legba> speaking of which
[03:19] <HaRDaWaY> one question, anybody use cedega/winex?
[03:19] <linuxalien> mjr: It's to install the nvidia drivers which complain when X is running.
[03:19] <legba> is there an easy way to set default runlevel in ubuntu?
[03:19] <mjr> linuxalien, righto
[03:19] <nonmon> im using the latest
[03:19] <crimsun> legba: $EDITOR /etc/inittab
[03:19] <jdub> linuxalien: apt-get install nvidia-glx doesn't have any problems when X is running...
[03:19] <legba> danke
[03:19] <mjr> legba, you mean besides editing /etc/inittab?
[03:19] <mjr> semi-echo
[03:19] <crimsun> legba: but Ubuntu, like Debian, doesn't play runlevel games
[03:19] <legba> eh?
[03:19] <linuxalien> jdub: Oh nice, another way to do it. Thanks!
[03:20] <legba> oh i see what you're saying
[03:20] <jdub> linuxalien: that's the way you should be doing it
[03:20] <legba> just tell it to not start x hen?
[03:20] <legba> *then
[03:20] <linuxalien> good deal.  I'm helping a friend and I don't use ubuntu.  That's sweet that it uses apt-get.
[03:20] <chibifs> Whew, here we go. I've finally got debian 2.0's apt reading from the ubuntu disc. :D
[03:22] <nonmon> it looks like its working thanx guys and gals
[03:22] <linuxalien> Woohoo!
[03:23] <nonmon> ill probably be back if i cant find what im looking for on google
[03:23] <chibifs> Re-installing the ubuntu base over debian 2 base. :D
[03:23] <linuxalien> Thanks guys.  :)
[03:23] <linuxalien> I'm gonna go watch Dawn of the Dead.
[03:24] <chibifs> Wish me luck, if this screws up. It's another 25 floppies of base install >.>
[03:24] <LinuxJones> linuxalien, that movie sucks :)
[03:25] <SuperL4g> is there a 2.6.9 kernel image for Ubuntu yet? or will kernels be frozen between releases?
[03:25] <jdub> SuperL4g: the stable release gets security and high-impact bugfix updates only
[03:25] <linuxalien> LinuxJones: Yeah, but I like cheesy horror flicks. hehe
[03:25] <aran> anyone know how to add new apps to the Applications menu?
[03:25] <LinuxJones> linuxalien, you must LOVE Fright Night :D
[03:26] <linuxalien> LinuxJones: hehe Hmmm Can't remember seeing that one but I have heard of it.
[03:26] <mjr> aran, from the right-click context menu of the submenu you want to add to
[03:26] <LinuxJones> linuxalien, it is a 3 star Vampire flic, I really liked it
[03:27] <linuxalien> LinuxJones: Hmmm vamp movies are cool.  I like vamps and werewolves and aliens.
[03:27] <aran> is it possible to add a new category?
[03:27] <mjr> don't know
[03:27] <LinuxJones> linuxalien, yeah my favs too :)
[03:28] <ben_> is IceWM lighter weight than xfce?
[03:29] <LinuxJones> ben_, I don't think you would notice a difference
[03:29] <linuxalien> LinuxJones: Right on!  I even dream about them and it doesn't scare me much anymore. hehe
[03:30] <LinuxJones> linuxalien, I watched The Exorcist when I was 11, I didn't sleep for a week :D
[03:30] <ben_> LinuxJones: ok, thanks
[03:31] <ben_> i found an app that will import gnome menus to xfce :)
[03:31] <LinuxJones> ben_, They are small you just install both :)
[03:31] <linuxalien> LinuxJones: hehehe I watched Jaws when I was like 6 or something hehe.  I'm not really sure of the age but I was like "cool!" but scared too.
[03:32] <ben_> LinuxJones: well i was thinking about icewm because it actually looked a bit nicer than xfce
[03:32] <ben_> and there's not that obnoxious mac os bar thing at the bottom
[03:32] <LinuxJones> linuxalien, I have a fascination with sharks. It still scares me to go swimming even tho there has been 1 reported shark attack within 500 miles in 100 years :)
[03:35] <linuxalien> LinuxJones: hehehe Yeah, I won't swim in the ocean.  Hey, my niece needs help.  I'll bbl to talk about scarey movies some more. hehe  Having multiple computers means multiple tech support sessions. :P
[03:36] <LinuxJones> ben_, I like xfce over icewm personally.
[03:37] <ben_> LinuxJones: what's the command to untar a file?
[03:37] <chibifs> ben's 4.2 packages at oscillation work.
[03:38] <ben_> is it untar -xzf ?
[03:39] <LinuxJones> ben_, tar xfv
[03:39] <ben_> thanks
[03:41] <chibifs> Hmmmm... update-rc.d missing from path..
[03:41] <LinuxJones> ben_, you can also jsut dbl click it and open with fileroller
[03:41] <LinuxJones> chibifs, you need to sudo -s into a privileged console
[03:42] <chibifs> I'm rooting on it right now
[03:42] <chibifs> Don't even have sudo yet. :P
[03:42] <LinuxJones> chibifs, eh ?
[03:42] <chibifs> Installing ubuntu via debian-potato :P
[03:43] <LinuxJones> chibifs, ahhh sneaky :)
[03:43] <geKow> bye
[03:44] <chibifs> On an old 586 laptop that can't boot from cd
[03:44] <chibifs> Had to install base from floppies. :P
[03:45] <LinuxJones> chibifs, yikes that's a bit of work.
[03:45] <chibifs> Yep. 24 floppies. :D
[03:45] <chibifs> Anywho, I need to run, I'll work on this more later. :P
[03:46] <LinuxJones> cya
[03:48] <ben_> :(
[03:48] <ben_> i wanna use gnome, but it eats too much memory for my system
[03:48] <aTypical> ben_, buy more memory.
[03:49] <ben_> i already have, lol
[03:49] <ben_> it had 64megs before
[03:49] <BenZor> Anyone know if there's a way to haxor the ibook's "sleep" led, to a HDD activity light?
[03:49] <ben_> now it has 192 megs
[03:49] <vortex25> Ok, I'm getting ready to do a fresh install of Ubuntu, I have a 120gb hard drive that I am dedicating to Ubuntu, if I want to keep a persistant home directory how big should I make the / (root) partition?
[03:50] <vortex25> I'm just looking for a safe estimate that will allow for growth w/o wasting a lot of space
[03:52] <bob2> BenZor: there's a kernel option for it
[03:53] <LinuxJones> vortex25, 10 gigs will be lots for root.
[03:53] <robertj> vortex: anything that wont fit in a few gigs should reside in either /home /var/ usr/local or /root
[03:53] <sidney> is the ubuntu team not updating software anymore?
[03:54] <bob2> sidney: erm, warty is stable, it doesn't get new software
[03:54] <BenZor> bob2- where would I find it?
[03:54] <robertj> vortex: so you can always take your home partition, split it, and mount those as well
[03:54] <bob2> hoary is under development, quite heavily
[03:54] <sidney> not even gaim?
[03:54] <eclipse> can someone help with one thing
[03:54] <robertj> I'd say 20 gigs will be plenty though unless you are doing something wierd
[03:54] <bob2> sidney: the point of a stable release is that it doesn't change
[03:54] <bob2> 20GB is insane for /
[03:55] <eclipse> how do you put the trash icon on the desktop?
[03:55] <LinuxJones> vortex25, I only use 2.4 gigs on my 5 gig partition for root on my desktop
[03:55] <vortex25> ok, so I'm thinking something from 5-7gb would suffice
[03:55] <jdub> eclipse: /apps/nautilus/general in gconf (use gconf-editor)
[03:55] <bob2> sidney: hoary has 1.0.2
[03:55] <sidney> can i get a cd of hoary?
[03:55] <bob2> sidney: no
[03:55] <robertj> bob2: I've got 10 gigs used on my / at work
[03:55] <eclipse> ok thnx
[03:55] <bob2> robertj: does that include /home and a big /var?
[03:55] <jdub> sidney: hoary is in development
[03:55] <robertj> it includes a big /var
[03:56] <vortex25> I just don't want to make it all one partition so when I reinstall I can keep all my documents easily, but I do have an external, so I guess it wouldn't be a big deal
[03:56] <bob2> robertj: ah
[03:56] <ben_> anyone have any experience with damn small linux?
[03:56] <bob2> ben_: the people in the damn small linux channel probably do
[03:56] <robertj> I mean he no doubt can make 5 work, but when you have a mammoth hd, you probably wont use it anyway
[03:56] <robertj> unless you are hoarding mp3s
[03:56] <robertj> or oggs, or pr0n, or whatever
[03:57] <sidney> jdub: so there is no cd or easy way to obtain it?
[03:57] <bob2> sidney: what are you trying to do?
[03:57] <sidney> get some updated software!
[03:57] <vortex25> tv eps actually :)
[03:57] <legba> lol
[03:57] <sidney> firefox, gaim... stuff like that
[03:57] <vortex25> but I will probably burn them to dvd
[03:57] <bob2> sidney: then use hoary, if you want to help find bugs
[03:57] <bob2> the point of a stable release is that it does not change
[03:57] <sidney> i'll help
[03:58] <sidney> but i want an easy way to install... is there?
[03:58] <eclipse> hey i got it working, thx jdub
[03:58] <bob2> sidney: install warty. move to hoary.
[03:58] <jdub> sidney: if you think you can handle the development branch, you can just upgrade from warty to hoary.
[03:59] <sidney> how do i do that?
[03:59] <jdub> s/warty/hoary/ in sources.list
[03:59] <eclipse> by the way, how to u edit the applications menu?
[03:59] <jdub> eclipse: go to applications:/// in nautilus
[03:59] <jdub> eclipse: beware it's hidden because it doesn't work well
[03:59] <eclipse> ok
[03:59] <eclipse> thnx
[03:59] <vortex25> is I just generally right click on the Menu, hit Entire Menu and Add Item
[04:00] <sidney> so 's/warty/hoary/' in sources.list?
[04:00] <sidney> thats it?
[04:00] <jdub> yes
[04:00] <eclipse> damn, ur pretty good at this jdud
[04:00] <jdub> i don't recommend that you use the devel branch unless you are very familiar with debian
[04:01] <sidney> ok
[04:01] <sidney> so when will it be more stable?
[04:02] <legba> hehe
[04:02] <sidney> like 6 months?
[04:02] <legba> asap
[04:02] <bob2> it releases as stable in 6 months
[04:02] <bob2> well, 5.5
[04:02] <legba> warty is still relatively new...
[04:02] <jdub> hoary preview in march, final in april
[04:02] <jdub> there's a release schedule on the wiki
[04:02] <sidney> yeah... but getting older every day
[04:02] <legba> but the idea is a new unbuntu every 6 months
[04:02] <jdub> sidney: try woody!
[04:02] <legba> lol
[04:03] <legba> ty sid even
[04:03] <ben_> is there anyway to get rid of/replace nautilaus?
[04:03] <legba> *try
[04:03] <ben_> it's a memory hog
[04:03] <sidney> man, im liking ubuntu... works with all my hardware without any work!
[04:03] <jdub> sidney: it would not be possible to provide support for ubuntu if we didn't have stable releases
[04:03] <eclipse> after using gnome for a few days i think it's much better than kde
[04:03] <sidney> but not as updated as i would like... but i mean, what is!
[04:03] <legba> eclipse try fluxbox :P
[04:03] <aTypical> eclipse, I agree.
[04:03] <legba> sidney gentoo is - but's that's a whole other can of worms...
[04:03] <eclipse> i like that too but it doesn't have a desktop
[04:04] <robertj> I also reocmmend fluxbox for lighter installs
[04:04] <aTypical> Not with trying fluxbox, bot that Gnome is better than KDE.
[04:04] <eclipse> i want to be able to put files on my desktop
[04:04] <legba> you can with fluxbox.
[04:04] <robertj> eclipse: why?
[04:04] <sidney> does gentoo come with gnome off the bat?
[04:04] <legba> sidney look at www.gentoo.org
[04:04] <sidney> gotcha
[04:04] <legba> it's built from source.
[04:04] <robertj> The only reason I can think of to put files on your desktop is so you can access them using the hide/show desktop hotkey
[04:04] <sidney> yeah... :(
[04:04] <legba> as well as being off topic :P
[04:04] <bob2> not as updated as you'd like?
[04:05] <eclipse> cause i want to my documents on my desktop to it's quicker to access
[04:05] <bob2> it only came out 3 WEEKS AGO
[04:05] <jdub> sidney: ubuntu is the most up-to-date stable, supported distro you'll get, particularly with regards to desktop software.
[04:05] <eclipse> put^
[04:05] <legba> eclipse - again, you CAN with fluxbox.
[04:05] <sidney> yeah im sure...
[04:05] <Pizbit> eclipse: Why not put them into your gnome-panel?
[04:05] <sidney> but when it was in unstable pre-release stuff was getting updated and i was loving it
[04:05] <Pizbit> Or even bind keyboard shortcuts to them:)
[04:06] <eclipse> i'm talking about document files not links
[04:06] <sidney> every day i would run synaptic and have a bunch of stuff to update... those were good times... good tims
[04:06] <sidney> ;)
[04:06] <legba> or put a symlink to them... it's really quite easy to do eclipse.
[04:06] <ben_> does anyone use xfce4?
[04:06] <jdub> sidney: that was bugfixes only, for the most part.
[04:06] <legba> yes
[04:06] <legba> i also use icewm
[04:06] <ben_> is there a way to get rid of the mac os type thing on the bottom?
[04:06] <legba> yep - check the config file ;)
[04:06] <ben_> it's like a toolbar, but it's big and ugly and annoying :p
[04:06] <eclipse> how do u put icons on fluxbox?
[04:06] <keknehv> I attempted to rebuild and install xscreensaver from jwz.org, but now I have lost the configuration utility in Computer->Desktop Preferences
[04:07] <keknehv> How do I re-enable it?
[04:07] <ben_> legba: ...where's the config file?
[04:07] <Pizbit> jdub: I think some people are simply just addicted to updating, whether it's a placebo or a real update doesn't matter.
[04:07] <jdub> keknehv: why on earth are you *building* xscreensaver?
[04:07] <sidney> great... well i'll check out gentoo (again)
[04:07] <legba> eclipse - a package called fluxbox-desktop if i'm correct
[04:07] <sidney> exactly!
[04:07] <keknehv> Because I was missing some screensavers
[04:07] <sidney> give me updates (fake ones even) and i'll be happy
[04:07] <Pizbit> sidney: I know!
[04:07] <jdub> keknehv: there are no screensavers missing in the ubuntu xscreensaver package
[04:07] <Pizbit> sidney: Setup a cron job to un-install random packages at night *g*
[04:08] <sidney> its the thing of "yeah... im getting bigger and better every day with my NEW updates"
[04:08] <sidney> lolol
[04:08] <sidney> Pizbit: good idea
[04:08] <keknehv> Yes, there were. I installed it and things like Webcollage (wacked) weren't there
[04:08] <legba> hehe - so true sidney
[04:08] <Dekkard> whehe he siad gentoo
[04:08] <eclipse> legba, can u put like image files on the desktop?
[04:08] <sidney> so gentoo updates regularly?
[04:08] <legba> you can put icons there, yes
[04:08] <jdub> keknehv: it is there.
[04:09] <jdub> keknehv: there is no need to rebuild xscreensaver, at all.
[04:09] <legba> if you want flux backgrounds that's relatively easy
[04:09] <Pizbit> sidney: Gentoo is a *lot* more hassle than ubuntu
[04:09] <bob2> sidney: #gentoo
[04:09] <sidney> i know i know... i hear
[04:09] <bob2> sidney: if you want random possibly broken stuff, use hoary
[04:09] <ben_> wtf
[04:09] <ben_> omg
[04:09] <bob2> but do not whine if it breaks
[04:09] <ben_> a pixel just broke on my lcd
[04:09] <ben_> wtf
[04:09] <eclipse> then i should try fluxbox...ok i'm going to apt-get flux-box
[04:09] <bob2> file bugs :)
[04:09] <Pizbit> ben_: It happens.
[04:09] <sidney> and with ubuntu, it does have some packages that are missing that i want
[04:09] <legba> apt-get fluxbox ;)
[04:09] <bob2> sidney: for example?
[04:09] <sidney> another reason to switch.. but whats keeping me is that IT WORKS
[04:10] <ben_> Pizbit: lol, it's on a 5 year old laptop to :p
[04:10] <legba> bob2 there are quite a few...
[04:10] <bob2> legba: like?
[04:10] <ben_> i'm stunned it lasted this long without a broken pixel
[04:10] <sidney> bob2: gimp-gap, tomboy (unstable i hear), f-spot (unstable too)...
[04:10] <legba> bob2 debian > ubuntu
[04:10] <Pizbit> Heh, nice.
[04:10] <sidney> bob2: some media players
[04:10] <bob2> sidney: tomboy and f-spot are packaged for ubuntu
[04:11] <bob2> sidney: mplayer, xine, vlc etc are packaged
[04:11] <robertj> jdub: I've got a question. Is it possible that a contrib package could be placed in hoary's universe if licence and rational are permitting?
[04:11] <jdub> legba: only slightly - universe and multiverse *are* debian.
[04:11] <sidney> _where_?
[04:11] <Pizbit> legba: You know what universe is yeah?
[04:11] <bob2> legba: yes, but only slightly
[04:11] <jdub> robertj: yes
[04:11] <eclipse> hey legba, it can't find fluxbox on the server
[04:11] <bob2> sidney: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:11] <legba> just saying - there are a few.
[04:11] <bob2> sidney: if you want them in ubuntu main, complain to your local Idiot Patent Holder
[04:11] <bob2> legba: sure, but very few that people care about :)
[04:11] <sidney> lol
[04:11] <sidney> no, media players not formats
[04:11] <legba> look you asked ;)
[04:11] <robertj> jdub: because sdl installs oss support by default and having it default to esd or all would be more appropriate for ubuntu
[04:11] <eclipse> do i have to edit the source.list?
[04:11] <bob2> sidney: yes, media players are subject to patents
[04:11] <sidney> especially (i cant remember which) but the one that supports the dell jukebox
[04:11] <bob2> sidney: which is why no one sjips them
[04:12] <sidney> i hate patented formats
[04:12] <robertj> I'm forwarding it upstream (well as soon as I unb0rk Evolution ;)
[04:12] <Dekkard> eclipse yes
[04:12] <keknehv> dang. Well then, how do I revert back to it?
[04:12] <sidney> we should (and do try) to boycott them
[04:12] <stuNNed> sidney, gnomad2?
[04:12] <Dekkard> fluxbox is in there somewher.
[04:12] <sidney> stuNNed: i believe so
[04:12] <legba> hmm ubuntu on a dell is quite funny.
[04:13] <Adrenal> hey, anyone here use gdesklets
[04:13] <legba> almost a contradiction
[04:13] <robertj> legba: why is that?
[04:13] <legba> major philosophical differences
[04:13] <sidney> stuNNed: any idea where i can get it for ubuntu?
[04:13] <Adrenal> gdesklets, anyone?
[04:13] <Adrenal> even a help site?
[04:14] <sidney> :( sorry not me
[04:14] <jdub> Adrenal: google for gdesklets
[04:14] <bob2> Adrenal: just ask your question
[04:14] <jdub> Adrenal: the first site that comes up is the one you want
[04:14] <Adrenal> i installed it, but it won't start up
[04:14] <Adrenal> like, i click the shortcut in accessories
[04:14] <bob2> Adrenal: you read the README?
[04:14] <Adrenal> it loads
[04:14] <Adrenal> then it goes away
[04:14] <Adrenal> without opening
[04:14] <jdub> Adrenal: see the website.
[04:14] <bob2> Adrenal: you read the README?
[04:14] <Adrenal> kk
[04:16] <robertj> legba: I don't know many hardware manufacturers who are in it for the love of the game
[04:16] <legba> hehe
[04:17] <legba> i infact sell hardware for a living too.
[04:17] <robertj> btw, we probably would benefit from a cronjob for flushing package cache
[04:17] <legba> yeah i agree robert
[04:17] <ben_> what's the best ram defragger for linux?
[04:17] <legba> ram defragger?
[04:17] <DracosX> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[04:17] <legba> um - you don't need one ben
[04:18] <robertj> ben: linux lets your memory stay full unless its needed to store something else
[04:18] <jind> The kernel itself arranges the memory efficient
[04:18] <DracosX> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[04:18] <ben_> oh
[04:18] <bob2> DracosX: please stop it
[04:18] <legba> the only thing i can think of that's even close to that is garbage collection
[04:18] <aitrus> DracosX: what are you doing?
[04:18] <robertj> hrmm, someone needs a boot
[04:18] <ben_> lolol
[04:18] <DracosX> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[04:19] <alindeman> ?
[04:19] <ben_> dracos needs to be banned
[04:19] <legba> that's pretty dracosx
[04:19] <legba> can you do it again?
[04:19] <aTypical> legba, pretty stupid.
[04:19] <alindeman> You keep hitting my ascii art hilight :)
[04:19] <aitrus> uh oh!
[04:19] <ben_> ahah :p
[04:19] <aitrus> even better than a ban
[04:19] <bob2> alindeman: oooh, that is a good idea
[04:20] <jind> +q is quiet?
[04:20] <bob2> yes.
[04:20] <ben_> anyway to get rid of nautilus? it's a memory hog
[04:20] <Pizbit> Ahh, havn't come across q before
[04:20] <ben_> or replace nautilus
[04:20] <bob2> it's a dancer thing
[04:20] <jind> Smart move on a dumb fellow
[04:20] <bob2> ben_: kill it
[04:20] <bob2> DracosX: /msg me when your cat gets off the keyboard :)
[04:20] <Pizbit> Hahaha
[04:21] <jind> kill -9 `gpreg nautilus`
[04:22] <mercurus> hmm ... is there a GUI tool for Ubuntu to configure Samba (ie. netbios name, domain - so it can browse other machines) ?
[04:22] <ben_> jind: how do i keep it off, like all the time?
[04:22] <bob2> mercurus: nautilus can browse smb shares
[04:23] <ben_> are there any light weight window managers that can install over gnome and keep all the menus and stuff?
[04:23] <legba> smb:// afaik mercurus
[04:23] <ben_> like how ubuntu gnome magically adds new apps to the menus
[04:24] <robertj> ben: I believe fluxbox plays nice
[04:24] <bob2> ben_: erm, are yo usure metacity is a serious ram hog on your machine?
[04:24] <mercurus> bob2: yes, and there is the "network" window ... I found configuration in there ... but it informs me that SMB support is unavailable
[04:24] <mercurus> what do I need beyond the base samba packages ? smbclient ?
[04:24] <bob2> you don't need samba to browse windows shares
[04:24] <robertj> Ubuntu's extra weight is'nt extra
[04:24] <bob2> you need samba to *serve* windows shares
[04:24] <robertj> there is a reason all that stuff is there
[04:25] <legba> ease of use :P
[04:25] <robertj> s'right
[04:25] <legba> amazing it's one cd really
[04:25] <legba> makes MEPIS look silly imho
[04:25] <mercurus> bob2: ok ... so how does one ensure that "SMB support" is present ?
[04:25] <bob2> mercurus: I don't know, but you don't need samba installed
[04:26] <robertj> mercurus: select "Network" from the Computer menu
[04:26] <bob2> isn't mepis just another one of those livecd things?
[04:26] <ben_> bob2: well lets see; ubuntu gnome, 3 firefox tabs, x-chat: 50% ram; xfce4, 3 firefox tabs, x-chat: 95% ram.
[04:26] <Pizbit> It'd be gnome-vfs, which should be installed anyway.
[04:26] <legba> mercurus - try typing smb:// as an address in your web browser and tell me what happens
[04:26] <robertj> then if you see the machines on the network, your good
[04:26] <bob2> ben_: um, ok
[04:26] <legba> MEPIS is both livecd and full debian system
[04:26] <robertj> if you need to serve out files, that's a different matter
[04:26] <ben_> bob2: oops, reverse them
[04:26] <bob2> ben_: but metacity is a very very very very very very tiny pary of gnome
[04:26] <ben_> doh!
[04:26] <ben_> 95% for ubuntu gnome, about 50 for xfce
[04:26] <bob2> something like gnome-panel probably uses more memory than metacity
[04:27] <ben_> i think it's gnome in general that uses alot more memory
[04:27] <bob2> yes
[04:27] <bob2> so replacing metacity won't help much, if at all
[04:27] <legba> kde seems worse ben ;)
[04:27] <ben_> lol
[04:27] <mercurus> legba: blank window ... I need to configure a workgroup and netbios name ... but I can't use the graphical tool Ubuntu provides, because it is convinced I lack SMB Support
[04:28] <ben_> well, basically what i wanted was a ubuntu interface on a lighter weight desktop environment
[04:28] <legba> then install samba-base
[04:28] <bob2> ben_: there is no ubuntu interface
[04:28] <ben_> but i don't think that's going to happen, lol
[04:28] <bob2> ben_: you mean gnome?
[04:28] <legba> i think he means gnome
[04:28] <ben_> bob2: yeah, the modified gnome that ubuntu uses
[04:28] <jdub> ben_: where are you getting your memory usage figures?
[04:28] <legba> prolly the whole ubuntu *theme*
[04:28] <bob2> ben_: you want gnome with out gnome?
[04:28] <bob2> ;)
[04:29] <ben_> bob2: i get my figures from little desktop applets
[04:29] <ben_> :p
[04:29] <legba> flux can look *similar* to gnome... as can icewm...
[04:29] <mercurus> legba: I have samba-common installed ...
[04:29] <robertj> mercurus: what tool is that?
[04:29] <jdub> ben_: they're not giving you useful data
[04:29] <legba> that tool probably takes up a chunk too ben
[04:29] <kensai> XFCE themed with Human is the best for a lightweight desktop ;)
[04:29] <ben_> the reason i like the ubuntu gnome theme thingy is because it's easy of use and adding of new apps when they are installed
[04:29] <legba> thanks for the tip kensai ;)
[04:29] <robertj> mercurus: mine prompts me to install support
[04:30] <mercurus> robertj: in Computer -> System Configuration -> Networking: general tab, down the bottom
[04:30] <niroht> legba, no xinerama luck yet.. mind looking at my config ?
[04:30] <mercurus> robertj: Warty or Hoarey ?
[04:30] <ben_> for example, if i install thunderbird under xfce, it won't add it to any menu, but if i do it on gnome, it gets added to a menu
[04:30] <robertj> mercurus: somewhere in between
[04:30] <robertj> more Hoarey than Warty
[04:30] <ben_> and i can easily access the control panels and apps and stuff
[04:30] <legba> lol
[04:30] <legba> anyone wanna help me get universe in synaptic :P
[04:31] <mercurus> robertj: I'm on pure Warty for the moment ... which package does it prompt you to install ?
[04:31] <legba> i'm really a debian newbie.
[04:31] <ben_> legba: omg, i had that problem before
[04:31] <ys> is anyone using ubuntuppc?
[04:31] <ben_> i checked them off but it didn't work at all
[04:31] <linux_galore> ben_: depends you can tell XFCE to read the gnome menu's files every time it starts up
[04:31] <bob2> ys: lots of people
[04:31] <robertj> doesn't say
[04:31] <ben_> linux_galore: how?
[04:31] <Pizbit> legba: Settings -> Repositories
[04:31] <mercurus> robertj: can you approve it, and then wait and see what it does :P ?
[04:32] <robertj> samba_3.0.7-1ubuntu6_i386.deb
[04:32] <linux_galore> ben_: its in the config settings on were it gets the menu info
[04:32] <ys> hey bob2.  do you know where i can get a copy of sources.list?
[04:32] <robertj> I just finsihed rming my cache a few minutes ago so I only ahd like 4 to choose from ;)
[04:32] <bob2> ys: whats wrong with the one ubuntu installed?
[04:32] <mercurus> robertj: thank you :)
[04:32] <jdub> ys: /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:32] <legba> again - anyone want to help access *universe* in synaptic?
[04:32] <jdub> ys: it's all there already
[04:32] <Pizbit> legba: Then add universe to the lines that have main in them
[04:32] <legba> i have added it yet it clearly is not there.
[04:32] <ys> it was fine, but i've been messing around w/ it and it's not working properly
[04:32] <Pizbit> legba: Did you hit "reload" afterwards?
[04:33] <legba> hehe
[04:33] <[Mirak] > hi hi
[04:33] <legba> lemme try that ;) - told you i'm a synaptic noob, apt-get feels better
[04:33] <ben_> heh, i might just go back to gnome and live with some slowness :p
[04:33] <legba> like a fuzzy sweater
[04:33] <Pizbit> Personally I reckon the button is poorly named.
[04:33] <legba> maybe update sources?
[04:34] <legba> ;)
[04:34] <robertj> that panel could use some help
[04:34] <robertj> I need to learn python and spruce it up
[04:34] <[Mirak] > roberj, DO it
[04:34] <legba> the mouse-over helps a bit
[04:34] <mercurus> ben_: you can improve performance by turning icons in menus and toolbars off
[04:34] <legba> 10 points for that lmao
[04:34] <Pizbit> robertj: If you find out a good howto on using python ti create applets, let me know:)
[04:34] <robertj> mainly Description: %h server (Samba %v) could just show up as whatever it evaluates to
[04:35] <linux_galore> heard they will be doing python on Linux at Granville TAFE
[04:35] <GnuHippy> Is there anybody out there using X.ORG on Ubuntu?
[04:35] <linux_galore> next year
[04:35] <robertj> and Domain/Workgroup should give you a dropdown with any detected + "Other..."
[04:35] <legba> new python book just came out...
[04:35] <BenZ|iBook> can you bind the apple key to alt somehow? :p
[04:35] <[Mirak] > GnuHippy, not yet.....
[04:35] <LinuxJones> legba, what new python book ?
[04:35] <mercurus> robertj: aye, just installing samba now ...
[04:35] <legba> oreilly i reckon
[04:35] <legba> one sec
[04:35] <ys> anyone know where i can get anythere copy of sources.html? or possibly msg theirs to me. please.
[04:35] <GnuHippy> no I mean that have compiled it themselves
[04:36] <[Mirak] > ys, source.list?
[04:36] <mercurus> I was happy to do it manually, but my father is testing the open source waters with the Ubuntu CD I gave him yesterday
[04:36] <ys> Mirak: yes. thanks
[04:36] <linux_galore> I need to get a good python book....Im not a fan of oreilly books
[04:36] <Pizbit> ys: http://www.pastebin.com/117530
[04:36] <niroht> any xinerama gurus want to offer some help?
[04:36] <GnuHippy> Is there anybody out there using X.ORG on Ubuntu????
[04:36] <linux_galore> oooh cat womans on TV
[04:36] <kensai> is it safe to remove all the data on /tmp ?
[04:36] <GnuHippy> compiled from CVS
[04:37] <Pizbit> kensai: Uhm, why?
[04:37] <kensai> I don't know isn't that like a temporary file?
[04:38] <jdub> kensai: you shouldn't delete everything in /tmp during operation
[04:38] <jdub> kensai: when you reboot, it'll be done anyway
[04:38] <kensai> it is always removed on reboot?
[04:38] <jdub> yes
[04:39] <[Mirak] > ys, its there for ya
[04:39] <kensai> I here people add a command to automatically erase /tmp at boot
[04:39] <kensai> hear*
[04:39] <rachel> Ime having a prob with PHP install, it tries to download .php when I go to a .php file.
[04:39] <jdub> no, it is done automatically
[04:39] <kensai> Thanks OK
[04:40] <legba> hmm odd - can't find that book
[04:40] <legba> you aren't talking about jython are you
[04:40] <Pizbit> ftwig: Have you uncommented the mime-type setup in the apache config? (assuming apache heh)
[04:40] <legba> ?
[04:40] <mercurus> robertj: hmm ... it configures ok, but there's no evidence of connectivity ... ie. nothing shows up in smb:// or network://
[04:40] <kensai> If I have crossoveroffice installed spyaware can't be installed as easily as in windows?
[04:40] <kensai> Or it won't work at all?
[04:40] <robertj> merc: do you have any other windows machines sharing files ;)
[04:40] <mercurus> robertj: yes, three windows and two samba :)
[04:41] <Pizbit> mercurus: Just copy the samba config from a working machine then, but backup the current one:)
[04:41] <legba> pizbit - did you mean java applets? as in jython?
[04:41] <Pizbit> legba: No
[04:41] <robertj> Is there a Windows Network icon in your Network Places?
[04:41] <mercurus> Pizbit: I can get it working ... but I want to get it working, the Ubuntu way :)
[04:41] <linux_galore> kensai: with crossover you usually install it as a "user" in the /home/user_name/cxoffice path for securities sake and yes you can install a virus
[04:41] <Pizbit> legba: As in gnome-panel applets
[04:41] <robertj> err "Computer|Network"
[04:41] <legba> python gtk then
[04:41] <Pizbit> mercurus: Ah, I've always hacked the config
[04:41] <GnuHippy> DMA mode wont stay enabled on my drives in Hoary does anybody else have this problem??????
[04:42] <mercurus> robertj: there isn't ... but smb:// shows a blank, but existing node
[04:42] <linux_galore> kensai: but all it will do is damage the fake windows/  directory
[04:42] <Pizbit> legba: I know some, converted my monitoring program to gtk2 from tk, but I'm specifically wanting infomation on creating applets, a howto:)
[04:42] <kensai> linux_galore: where is this fake windows directory?
[04:42] <legba> hehe
[04:42] <ftwig> Pizbit:yes - u mean AddType application/x-httpd-php .php - in apache2.conf
[04:42] <robertj> I think this panel is a bit whacked
[04:42] <legba> you can always ask for one pizbit
[04:42] <linux_galore> kensai: hold on let me get the path
[04:43] <mercurus> Pizbit: ah ... this is so I can provide instructions to a frist-time linux user :p
[04:43] <robertj> my stuff was showing up, then I changed my workgroup name, now I show up in the old workgroup name and no other computers are listed
[04:43] <kensai> linux_galore: you ahve crossoveroffice running?
[04:43] <kensai> have*
[04:43] <Pizbit> legba: I've only started looking at it, havn't found anything on google yet, give it another go another time, gota go atm.
[04:44] <dml> GnuHippy, I'm not using Hoary, but what IDE chipset have got? Maybe a module is not being loaded...
[04:44] <mercurus> robertj: interestingly I appear to be locked out of the LAN ... there's a permission denied orange lock on the Network icon
[04:44] <LinuxJones> GnuHippy, you can add the commands to a custom script which starts when you boot your comp :)
[04:44] <GnuHippy> VIA KT800Pro
[04:45] <linux_galore> kensai: Ive got it installed but I havent got anything installed on this machine right now under it  the path is ~/cxoffice/support/dotwine/fake windows/
[04:45] <legba> kensai - what package is HUMAN theme in?
[04:45] <ben_> back
[04:45] <kingsley> Whose CPU here has the fastest clock speed?
[04:45] <chuen> hello, i am having trouble with my ps/2 mouse on my laptop and warty
[04:45] <ben_> certainly not mine, lol
[04:46] <ben_> chuen: continue
[04:46] <linux_galore> kingsley: what about multi cpi riggs
[04:46] <linux_galore> kingsley: and how do you define speed
[04:46] <legba> chuen - have you disabled the onboard mouse in bios?
[04:46] <kensai> legba: which human theme?
[04:46] <legba> for xfce4?
[04:46] <dml> GnuHippy, sorry can't help.  I had a similar problem with Intel ICH6.  Just had to change the order the kernel modules loaded
[04:46] <kensai> legba: just a minute
[04:46] <legba> k
[04:46] <chuen> no, i can't disable it or do not know how to do it
[04:46] <legba> i'm assuming it's in xfce4-themes
[04:46] <chuen> it just does not work
[04:46] <linux_galore> kingsley: click speed doesnt define cpu speed anymore
[04:47] <linux_galore> clock*
[04:47] <chuen> with kernel 2.6
[04:47] <kensai> legba:http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=17506
[04:47] <robertj> removing samba made the shares reappear
[04:47] <legba> gnome-look hehe
[04:47] <mercurus> robertj: lol ...
[04:48] <kensai> legba: yeah it is
[04:48] <mercurus> robertj: had you done any previous configuration ?
[04:48] <robertj> nope
[04:48] <kensai> legba: you see it?
[04:48] <legba> yessir i do
[04:48] <legba> thanks
[04:48] <legba> i prefer milk though
[04:49] <kingsley> Whose CPU here has the slowest clock speed?
[04:49] <kensai> legba: LOL so why you asked for it?
[04:49] <legba> well i haven't seen it yet so i need to try it ;)
[04:49] <legba> didn't realize ubuntu was using human
[04:49] <linux_galore> kingsley: my Big Ben english clock has a 1hz clock cycle lol
[04:50] <mercurus> robertj: so it just worked out of the box ?
[04:50] <robertj> merc: yes but if you install samba it stops working
[04:50] <robertj> anyone around that can confirm that on a fresh warty install?
[04:50] <robertj> Im on hoary
[04:50] <legba> i am
[04:50] <kensai> linux_galore: So if spyware where installed won't it show on cxoffice installed programs?
[04:50] <mercurus> robertj: this is ugly. :x
[04:50] <legba> shall i test our theory?
[04:50] <robertj> legbea: see if you see your network
[04:51] <robertj> and the workgroups
[04:51] <robertj> if so, apt-get install samba, check again
[04:51] <legba> aight one sec
[04:51] <linux_galore> kensai: yes they will under the plugins section
[04:51] <legba> yessir in fact even firefox will browse it
[04:51] <legba> well sortof half-assed.
[04:51] <legba> pardon the language
[04:51] <linux_galore> kensai: although I doubt they will actually work in many cases...ive only seen a few windows worms that wine can actually run
[04:52] <robertj> legba: so samba doesn't cause it to b0rk
[04:52] <legba> meaning - i don't have samba installed
[04:52] <mercurus> this is odd ... before I'd touched it, it didn't work.
[04:52] <kensai> linux_galore: Sorry for too much asking I'm freaking scare of spyware thts why I don't use Windows anymore If it wasn't for just one single programm which have no equivalent in Linux I won't install cxoffice neither
[04:52] <[Mirak] > Woa, major deja vu
[04:53] <linux_galore> kensai: ok if you have cxoffice installed under a Linux user account like crossover recommend then if you get spyware its no big deal just delete the fake windows directory and install the exe programs again
[04:53] <robertj> ok, install samba and see what happens
[04:53] <legba> nautilus nework browse is fine robert
[04:53] <bob2> hm, spyware is really scaring a lot of people off windoes
[04:53] <bob2> that's amazing
[04:53] <legba> k one sec
[04:54] <robertj> just do it from synaptic or the cmd line
[04:54] <robertj> then check it right off, don't touch any settings
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> bob2, that's a good thing for Linux
[04:54] <legba> k
[04:54] <linux_galore> kensai: also spyware cant escape the user account under crossover...remember your still running Linux not windows
[04:54] <mercurus> hmmm now "network" won't even appear in a nautilus window
[04:54] <bob2> nomasteryoda: yeah, I'm just surprised people don't put more effort into not getting it on windows
[04:54] <linux_galore> kensai: and wine wont allow apps to escape the fake windows directory
[04:54] <legba> samba-common is installed by default, here goes with samba
[04:54] <bob2> changing OS seems like a rather drastic solution
[04:55] <nomasteryoda> bob2: yea... spybot S&D is excellent
[04:55] <nomasteryoda> and free
[04:55] <kensai> bob2: Spyware isn't the reason I changed actually it was for having a more powerfull desktop. But spyware makes me never return to Windows again ;)
[04:55] <[Mirak] > i have the perfect fix for a spyware free windows box
[04:55] <legba> nomasteryoda...
[04:55] <legba> the only thing that works fairly well is pestpatrol
[04:55] <bob2> kensai: ah, heh :-)
[04:55] <Xenguy> Hello - I have a gateway box running on harddrive #1, and I want to add a 2nd harddrive and install Ubuntu on that.  It's been awhile since I did a fresh install; is there any risk that I won't be able to boot into *either* HD1 *or* HD2 once I'm done installing Ubuntu (i.e. I want to have the choice of which HD/OS to boot into) ?
[04:55] <nomasteryoda> kensai: i love showing them how much better linux is
[04:55] <legba> sb sd hasn't been updated for a bit
[04:55] <bob2> come for the lack of spyware, stay for the KWALITY
[04:55] <kensai> linux_galore: Thanks for everything
[04:55] <nomasteryoda> the dekstop is really nice
[04:55] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[04:56] <linux_galore> I give ubuntu my 8 thumbs up for the desktop
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> what's the african word for quality?
[04:56] <bob2> nomasteryoda: Ubuntu!
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[04:56] <legba> robert - a-ok after samba install - no settings touched
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> i knew you'd say that
[04:56] <legba> hmm
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> and ubuntu is tops too
[04:56] <kensai> I admit I use Linux for almost a year now But I use windows in another PC when a new Splinter cell comes out. Damn cedega not supporting it
[04:56] <legba> african isn't a language, guys.
[04:56] <chuen> ben: it is just not recognized..
[04:57] <nomasteryoda> kensai: Windows is for games
[04:57] <nomasteryoda> true
[04:57] <[Mirak] > firefox, with download accelerator plus ad default download manager....all spyware that trys to load goes thru download accelerator.....and you can stop it
[04:57] <linux_galore> kensai: I play CS in crossover works fine just install directx and IE 6 first
[04:57] <nomasteryoda> [Mirak] : i have seen several things try to install on my system
[04:57] <nomasteryoda> spyware
[04:57] <vinc1> anyone know why my printer shows up in the device manager, but isn't detected in the add printer menu?
[04:57] <nomasteryoda> .exes
[04:57] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:57] <nomasteryoda> too funny
[04:57] <legba> robertj - you catch that?
[04:58] <kensai> linux_galore: But CS is supported
[04:58] <linux_galore> although the CS installer should install directx anyway
[04:58] <robertj> legba: ok, just checking
[04:58] <kensai> should I try installing splinter cel in crossover office?
[04:58] <linux_galore> kensai: officially ?? last I looked it wasn't
[04:59] <kensai> Right you are sorry CS is not officially suported
[04:59] <Xenguy> hrm, was my question unclear then?
[04:59] <linux_galore> kensai: looks in  frankscorner.org first see what hacks are needed
[05:00] <kensai> linux_galore: Thanks
[05:01] <kensai> doesn't cxoffice already have directx?
[05:01] <ftwig> Ime having a prob with PHP install, it tries to download .php when I go to a .php file - i've uncommented the mime type from apache.conf
[05:01] <linux_galore> kensai: most of the hacks are minor just grab the dll and install this or that and edit the wine config file
[05:01] <ben_> yay, my broken pixel fixed itself :)
[05:02] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:02] <kensai> Ok very much thanks linux_galore
[05:02] <linux_galore> kensai: no actually winex is better for directx
[05:02] <[Mirak] > ben_, how long's it been broken?
[05:02] <kensai> I'll install cedega too shortly
[05:02] <bob2> ftwig: did you install libapache2-mod-php4?
[05:03] <kensai> justy that cedega is a bit harder to install
[05:03] <arun--> anyone using fluxbox?
[05:03] <ben_> heh, turns out that gnome doesn't use as much memory as i though :p
[05:03] <ben_> the meter thingy was buggy
[05:03] <ben_> lol
[05:03] <ben_> so i got gkrellm instead
[05:03] <ftwig> bob2:yes
[05:03] <linux_galore> ben_: cant beat the free -m command
[05:04] <kensai> Hey everyone there has been no update in Hoary for a while now right?
[05:04] <arun--> ben_: actually gnome uses about 100+ MB for me, thats why switched to fluxbox
[05:04] <[Mirak] > kensai, i got 2 the other day....2 days ago
[05:04] <bob2> ben_: it's not buggy, it's just there is no single value for "how much ram does this program use?"
[05:04] <linux_galore> kensai: getting update withdrawals huh
[05:04] <kensai> LOL
[05:04] <[Mirak] > kensai, i think 1 was "zip" or something like that
[05:04] <kensai> I get updates every like 30 minutes
[05:04] <bob2> dinstall runs every 3 or 4 hours
[05:05] <bob2> I forget which
[05:05] <mercurus> arun--: my GNOME uses 64 ... or thereabouts
[05:05] <bob2> erm, katie, I guess
[05:05] <[Mirak] > kensai, well, i havent checked since then
[05:05] <kensai> But now I don't have an update since 12pm
[05:05] <ben_> gnome uses about 70 megs of ram for me
[05:05] <ben_> wow, open office takes a looong time to load
[05:05] <chuen> so no one with problems with mouse and laptop hu?
[05:05] <ftwig> bob2:I did however have php4 (universe) installed at some point and have removed that
[05:06] <ben_> is there an magic cpu optimization tricks?
[05:06] <bob2> ftwig: you're using apache2, right?
[05:06] <vinc1> anyone a printer expert
[05:06] <vinc1> ?
[05:06] <[Mirak] > kensai, i just checked....i dont have anyy new
[05:06] <bob2> guys
[05:06] <bob2> just ask your question
[05:06] <mercurus> vinc1: what type of printer ?
[05:06] <kensai> [Mirak] : then I'm ok ;)
[05:06] <bob2> asking if there's an "expert" around is silly and means people *won't* answer you
[05:06] <vinc1> it's a HP officejet k60 connected via usb
[05:06] <[Mirak] > kensai, kk :)
[05:06] <mercurus> vinc1: ah .. HP DeskJets or Canon i-series I could help :(
[05:06] <vinc1> bob2: well nobody answered the first time, so i figured I'd get your attention
[05:07] <matt__> can anyone recommend a friendly GUI FTP client for linux?
[05:07] <Xenguy> matt__: gftp
[05:07] <mercurus> vinc1: if no-one else has any suggestions try linuxprinting.org
[05:07] <ben_> what's the point of virtual ram?
[05:07] <matt__> aha
[05:07] <mercurus> matt__: gFTP.
[05:07] <ben_> all it seems to do is slow things down and kill my battery life :p
[05:07] <bob2> ben_: so you can run more programs than you can fit into physical memory
[05:07] <arun--> anybody knows how to setup backgrounds for fluxbox?
[05:07] <bob2> ben_: you can disable virtual memory (swap) if you want
[05:08] <mercurus> arun--: use wmsetbg or similar
[05:08] <ben_> what will happen when i run out of memory?
[05:08] <kensai> Bye and thanks everybody and please remember Boycott www.linuxtoday.com is sponsored by Microsoft Corp.
[05:08] <ben_> will it just crash or something...
[05:08] <bob2> kensai: so is slashdot
[05:08] <bob2> ben_: depends on your kernel version
[05:08] <bob2> ben_: it will either freeze completely, or start nuking processes
[05:08] <kensai> But slashdot is not exclusively for LINUX
[05:08] <GnuHippy> Does anybody else have a video overlay bug in Hoary?
[05:08] <kensai> Linux today says is exclusively for Linux
[05:09] <ben_> is there a quick way to optimize linux for my exact cpu?
[05:09] <linux_galore> wonder if ubuntu will be selling laptops pre loaded
[05:09] <mercurus> ben_: recompile it.
[05:09] <kensai> and they have been displaying anti-linux ads
[05:09] <arun--> mercurus: thank you it worked, i thought it was only for windowmaker
[05:09] <bob2> ben_: the kernel? yes.  install linux-image-2.6.8.1-<cpu>
[05:09] <Adrenal> how i get the driver for an nvidia card installed?
[05:09] <mercurus> arun--: it is for X generally :)
[05:09] <bob2> Adrenal: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:09] <ben_> bob2: and that's it?
[05:09] <Adrenal> cheers
[05:09] <bob2> ben_: to optimise the kernel, yes
[05:09] <mercurus> Adrenal: there's a HOWTO on binary drivers
[05:09] <ben_> woot
[05:09] <Xenguy> Trying again: am I taking a risk if I am currently using Debian on HD#1 with lilo, and I do a fresh Ubuntu install on HD#2 and use grub?  Will I have a choice of which HD/OS to choose at boot time?
[05:09] <linux_galore> kensai: Linux Today exclusive for Linux ?? yeah right see all the Windows 2003 adds on the site last few months
[05:09] <ben_> that was easier than i though, lol
[05:10] <chuen> linux_galore: i hope ps/2 mice will work
[05:10] <mercurus> Xenguy: GRUB will detect the other OS, and offer oyu the choice
[05:10] <mercurus> I dual boot Debian testing and Ubuntu quite happily
[05:10] <kensai> linux_galore: Thats why distrowatch.com states that we should boycott them
[05:10] <bob2> Xenguy: yes
[05:10] <bob2> Xenguy: the ubuntu installer should detect the other install and list it in grub's boot menu
[05:10] <GnuHippy> what is the next debian release after sid?
[05:10] <mercurus> GnuHippy: experimental
[05:10] <bob2> GnuHippy: sid never release
[05:11] <bob2> GnuHippy: the next release after sarge is "etch"
[05:11] <GnuHippy> ok
[05:11] <kensai> linux_galore: It is inmoral for us to see something Like that M$ ads on Linux today.
[05:11] <linux_galore> chuen: lol only laptop Ive found thats 100% Linux are only available in the USA from linuxcertified
[05:11] <bob2> mercurus: no, experimental a) is not a full debian suite and b) is not ever releasing
[05:11] <Xenguy> mercurus / bob2 thanks, it sounds like I can go ahead safely then
[05:11] <[Mirak] > etch is the shit.....the charachter that is
[05:11] <Adrenal> sorry, what was that site?
[05:11] <mercurus> bob2: sarge is less unstable than sid, right ?
[05:11] <Adrenal> bob2?
[05:11] <mercurus> Adrenal: use your buffer
[05:11] <GnuHippy> when will they run out of toystory characters?
[05:12] <linux_galore> kensai: well what pissed me of with Linux Today was all the "get the facts" adds on the site when the "get the facts" stuff is total FUD
[05:12] <LinuxJones> GnuHippy, given the Debian release schedule 2086
[05:12] <GnuHippy> lol
[05:12] <bob2> mercurus: yes
[05:12] <GnuHippy> brb
[05:12] <LinuxJones> :D
[05:12] <kensai> linux_galore: Thats right burn them burn them!!! LOL
[05:12] <bob2> mercurus: well, sometimes not, but it's getting very very close to a release
[05:12] <ben_> if i upgrade the kernel, can i unistall the old one?
[05:12] <bob2> ben_: yes
[05:13] <mercurus> bob2: ah ... and testing is a pseudonym for sid ?
[05:13] <bob2> 14:09:35           bob2 | Adrenal: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:13] <bob2> mercurus: for sarge
[05:13] <bob2> mercurus: sid is unstable
[05:13] <bob2> mercurus: when sarge releases, it remains "sarge", but is also "stable".  etch will be the new testing.
[05:13] <bob2> ben_: keep the old one until after you've booted the new one, tho
[05:13] <ben_> how to i make apps run at the start of a session?
[05:13] <ben_> bob2: ok
[05:14] <Adrenal> cheers
[05:14] <bob2> ben_: in gnome?  computer -> desktop -> session
[05:14] <Xenguy> mercurus: in your dual-boot setup, do you have testing on one HD, and Ubuntu on a 2nd HD ?
[05:14] <mercurus> bob2: ah ... I' downloaded a sarge netinstall image yesterday ... which appears to be "testing" but was marketed as sarge
[05:14] <linux_galore> kensai: exaple of gets the fast...hai looks windows is cheaper than Linux if we install windows on a Xeon server then compare that to installing Linux on an IBM Power5 server ........ only small fact missing the Power5 server is 10 times more expensive and can run over 240 services at the same time  yep 240 versions of apache if you want ..........would love to see Windows 2003 do that on a single Xeon machine from del
[05:14] <bob2> mercurus: yeah, sarge now is is testing
[05:14] <mercurus> Xenguy: no, separate / partitions on a single 80 gig /dev/hda
[05:14] <Xenguy> mercurus: OK
[05:14] <linux_galore> example of get the facts*
[05:14] <GnuHippy> isn't sarge supposed to be stable by now?
[05:15] <bob2> GnuHippy: it's very close to release
[05:15] <GnuHippy> or are they going to release another Woody ;)
[05:15] <bob2> a woody revision came out last week
[05:15] <GnuHippy> I know
[05:15] <mercurus> bob2: I get it ... so woody, sarge and sid are separate identities at different stages of development ?
[05:15] <ben_> what's sarge?
[05:15] <GnuHippy> thats correct
[05:15] <GnuHippy> mercurus
[05:15] <mercurus> at the moment sid is unstable, sarge is testing (before it goes stable) and woody IS stable ?
[05:15] <GnuHippy> yes
[05:16] <GnuHippy> exactly
[05:16] <ben_> where can i get woody?
[05:16] <GnuHippy> you don't want woody
[05:16] <GnuHippy> :)
[05:16] <ben_> oh...
[05:16] <mercurus> ben_: debian.org will point you to a mirror
[05:16] <ben_> lol
[05:16] <bob2> mercurus: right
[05:16] <linux_galore> so what was the answer to my..will ubuntu be selling a Linux Laptop
[05:16] <bob2> mercurus: except, to confuse it further, sid is always unstable :-)
[05:16] <ben_> linux_galore: nobody answered :p
[05:16] <mercurus> bob2: how ? :P
[05:16] <legba> hmm
[05:16] <bob2> ben_: sarge is Debian's testing release, which will hopefully release soon
[05:16] <linux_galore> ben_: chickens lol
[05:16] <mercurus> or is that just because packages get added to sid first ?
[05:16] <ben_> anyways, i gotta reboot because i downloaded the special kernel for my cpu
[05:16] <GnuHippy> Sid is always unstable because he was the antagonist
[05:16] <legba> i honestly think vncserver should be part of main packages
[05:17] <ben_> brb
[05:17] <mercurus> so to extrapolate, Warty is stable, and Hoary is unstable, and there is no testing release for Ubuntu ?
[05:17] <bob2> mercurus: they always go to sid
[05:17] <rye> Is anybody using a flash drive for storing their RSA/DSA private key?
[05:17] <bob2> then to testing after 14 days of no RC bugs
[05:17] <bob2> rye: yes
[05:17] <bob2> mercurus: right, no testing
[05:18] <rye> bob2: Are you using it with only Linux?
[05:18] <bob2> mercurus: but testing is less important with ubuntu, since the release cycle is a lot shorter, and the requirements for hoary are gighter (ie no really buggy shit)
[05:18] <linux_galore> Im thinking of setting up a Renta Nerd company here in Sydney and leverage Linux through it
[05:18] <bob2> rye: yes
[05:18] <mercurus> rye: no ... but if I were, I'd setup fstab to mount the usb drive under /home/$USER
[05:18] <legba> bob2 any reason vncserver isn't part of amin?
[05:18] <legba> *main
[05:18] <bob2> linux_galore: isn't that calld "the slug list and the offer of a case of beer"? ;-)
[05:18] <bob2> mercurus: well, imho
[05:18] <linux_galore> I keep bumping into all these people with lots of money and no time
[05:18] <bob2> legba: I don't know...
[05:18] <mercurus> bob2: are you an Ubuntu developer or a Debian developer or both ?
[05:19] <legba> hehe
[05:19] <LinuxJones> linux_galore, Sydney Australia ?
[05:19] <linux_galore> bob2: the people I see dont have time to post a question nor do they have the time to care
[05:19] <GnuHippy> I downloaded the kernel-source package but the new nvidia installer still says I don't have it
[05:19] <GnuHippy> ??
[05:19] <linux_galore> LinuxJones: yep sydney
[05:19] <bob2> legba: the usual criteria is "stable, usable by a large proportion of people, and supportable by the security team"
[05:19] <mercurus> GnuHippy: use the nvidia binaries ... not the source.
[05:19] <rye> Here's the issue I'm facing right now.  I have Mac OS X at home and Ubuntu Linux at work.
[05:19] <legba> bob2 - yesy esy and yes
[05:19] <bob2> mercurus: a debian maintainer, not in nm yet, but I work for canonical
[05:19] <GnuHippy> I am
[05:19] <bob2> GnuHippy: you don't need the kernel source to get the modules
[05:19] <bob2> GnuHippy: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:20] <mercurus> in "nm" ?
[05:20] <bob2> linux_galore: ah, right
[05:20] <GnuHippy> I am talking about the new binary on www.nvidia.com
[05:20] <bob2> mercurus: nm = debian new maintainer queue
[05:20] <GnuHippy> there are new nvidia drivers out today
[05:20] <GnuHippy> 6629
[05:20] <rye> So the issue is that my flash drive is formatted with VFAT which is ok for most uses but not for private keys because of StrictModes=yes in sshd_config.
[05:20] <bob2> GnuHippy: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[05:20] <mercurus> GnuHippy: I know, there are Ubuntu pre-compiled binaries that will soon be updated
[05:20] <GnuHippy> thanks
[05:20] <linux_galore> bob2: when you have two kids a company and a very full social life you dont have time to stuff around they just want it fixed and it to stay that way
[05:20] <chuen> again, just want to know if anyone has a ps/2 mouse working??
[05:21] <linux_galore> bob2: so you ring rent-a nerd
[05:21] <linux_galore> heh heh
[05:21] <mercurus> chuen: yes, I'm using a PS/2 mouse
[05:21] <rye> The permissions change every time I mount the disk in both Linux and mac os x.
[05:21] <ys> are there any ppc users around?
[05:21] <bob2> linux_galore: that would be a pretty good deal
[05:21] <bob2> ys: yes
[05:21] <legba> linux-galore - we have that service in canada
[05:21] <legba> works well
[05:21] <chuen> mercurus: did you have to edit any file?
[05:21] <mercurus> rye: permissions, or ownership ?
[05:21] <linux_galore> legba: Ive seen the same in the USA
[05:21] <[Mirak] > any ppc users around?
[05:21] <ys> bob2 may i have a look @ your source.list?
[05:21] <mercurus> chuen: no ... worked out of the box
[05:21] <bob2> ys: #flood
[05:21] <bob2> [Mirak] : yes
[05:21] <rye> mercurus: permissions, chmod.
[05:21] <mercurus> rye: odd.
[05:22] <[Mirak] > bob2, paste me your source.list pls
[05:22] <[Mirak] > bob2, #flood or pm ...doesnt matter
[05:22] <bob2> ys: [Mirak]  #flood
[05:22] <niroht> you can't have both xinerama and dri?
[05:22] <rye> So I'm going to attempt to partition the disk into a ufs partition for mac os x, ext3 for linux, and the rest vfat.
[05:22] <linux_galore> Im thinking rent-a nerd can leverage not just Linux but also be used to help people buy stuff and install things like the stereo with its 100 wires and 4 books to read
[05:22] <ys> bob2 - is kde supported on the ppc ubuntu?
[05:22] <rye> What do you think the chances of that working are?
[05:22] <bob2> ys: kde is in universe
[05:22] <chuen> mercurus: i guess its a pc..
[05:23] <bob2> ys: it's available but not supported, on all architectures
[05:23] <linux_galore> I already have the job of installing all the high tech gear with my friends and neighbours
[05:23] <GnuHippy> we have geeksquad here in Canada
[05:23] <ys> i'm getting errors installing it
[05:23] <legba> yeah
[05:23] <mercurus> rye: I've not tried re-partitioning my USB drive ... but best of luck :P
[05:23] <GnuHippy> it is the same thing
[05:23] <[Mirak] > bob2, i may have missed it...paste again plz :)....sorry
[05:23] <legba> thanks gnuhippy - forgot name
[05:23] <ys> bob2: have you isntalled it?
[05:23] <mercurus> chuen: x86 desktop, yes.
[05:23] <ys> mirak: you didnt'
[05:23] <bob2> ys: no
[05:23] <bob2> ys: you're using the one from universe, right?
[05:24] <ys> yes
[05:24] <Mitario> does anyone have an idea what the format for cronjob files in /etc/cron.d should be?
[05:24] <linux_galore> GnuHippy: we dont have that here.......Ive already got a high roller socialite who wants to joint venture with me I already look after all her friends  ie buying tech stuff advice installing software wiring up the lan
[05:24] <chuen> could you share the x86config-4
[05:24] <bob2> Mitario: copy an existing one
[05:24] <Mitario> don't have one :)
[05:25] <bob2> ys: paste the error to #flood
[05:25] <mercurus> linux_galore: the only problem would be on-going support
[05:25] <ys> alright
[05:25] <linux_galore> GnuHippy: one thing Ive noticed many dont care what the OS is long as it works
[05:25] <jsubl2> howdo you fix the .Xauthority file after k3b screws it up
[05:25] <bob2> Mitario: 30 7    * * *   root    test -x /etc/init.d/anacron && /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d anacron start >/dev/null
[05:25] <chuen> mercurus: could you share the x86config-4
[05:25] <linux_galore> mercurus: pay me by the hour I dont care
[05:25] <bob2> Mitario: that's an example
[05:25] <Mitario> ah, normal crontab format, thanks
[05:25] <Mitario> !
[05:25] <LinuxJones> jsubl2, jsut delete it and log in again
[05:25] <mercurus> after a while you'd have a VERY large customer base, all of whom are continually breaking things, and making you come around to fix problem sthat "you caused"
[05:25] <bob2> Mitario: with an extra colum for the user
[05:25] <bob2> I thiknk
[05:25] <linux_galore> mercurus: still pay me by the hour
[05:25] <mercurus> chuen: #flood
[05:26] <ben_> hi
[05:26] <ys> bob2: is that what you get?
[05:26] <ben_> well crap is definately faster
[05:26] <linux_galore> mercurus: also Im a fully qualified electronics engineer right down to chip level
[05:26] <ben_> but um, i still get an annoying error on startup
[05:26] <chuen> mercurus: have to go, thanks anyway
[05:26] <[Mirak] > bob2, ys, quanta causing a problem...maybe?
[05:27] <bob2> ben_: what error?
[05:27] <ben_> it keeps having permission problems when loading hotplug stuff
[05:27] <ben_> anyone know how to fix that?
[05:27] <bob2> ys: paste your sources.list
[05:27] <ben_> besides turning off hotplug, because i use that alot
[05:27] <bob2> ben_: "operation not permitted"?
[05:27] <[Mirak] > ys, it seems that quanta is the problem
[05:27] <ben_> yeah
[05:27] <ys> hmm
[05:27] <mercurus> linux_galore: that doesn't mean your customers will be any less likely to break everything and demand you fix it :P
[05:27] <ben_> bob2: yes
[05:27] <bob2> ben_: ignore it, it's harmless
[05:27] <bob2> ben_: or blacklist those modules in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[05:27] <jsubl2> LinuxJones, thanks
[05:28] <ben_> ok, lol
[05:28] <ben_> is there a way to not make it ring the system bell when it's booting?
[05:28] <ben_> it's really loud and annoying
[05:28] <linux_galore> mercurus: I will just have to be up front....Im only here to help you and you pay me by the hour....I dont offer any warranty
[05:28] <bob2> ys: your sources.list is broken
[05:28] <bob2> ys: add the line I paste to it
[05:28] <bob2> run "sudo apt-get update"
[05:29] <bob2> try again
[05:29] <mercurus> linux_galore: apart from that implied by the Fair Trading Act and the Sale of Goods Act ... and if you incorporate, the Trade Practices Act
[05:29] <linux_galore> mercurus: well there are lots of other services companies out there they get by
[05:30] <ys> bob2: what do you want me to add?
[05:30] <bob2> ys: the line I gave you
[05:30] <Mr_Smiley> When trying to partition the drive, it tells me an error saying it is unable to create the partition. Anyone had this problem?
[05:30] <bob2> you're missing the main repository
[05:30] <linux_galore> mercurus: also being a service company offers you some flexability...you can walk away from the customer in future
[05:30] <[Mirak] > ys, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[05:31] <ys> when did you give me a line?
[05:31] <bob2> 14:23:34           bob2 | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[05:31] <[Mirak] > ys, he pated it in #flood "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted"
[05:32] <mercurus> linux_galore: yeah, just make sure you tell people that the only warranty on the parts is the manufacturer's :)
[05:32] <Mr_Smiley> anyone had trouble with the ubuntu partitioner?
[05:32] <legba> ooh
[05:32] <ys> still giving me problems
[05:32] <legba> gnome fifth toe :)
[05:32] <ys> :/
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> Mr_Smiley
[05:33] <ys> Mirak, bob2: it's still giving me the same error
[05:33] <Mr_Smiley> yes?
[05:33] <bob2> ys: paste the error and your sources.list again
[05:33] <[Mirak] > ys, did you apt-get update?
[05:33] <ys> Mirak: yep
[05:33] <chibifs> >.<;
[05:33] <mercurus> wb linux_galore: yeah, just make sure you tell people that the only warranty on the parts is the manufacturer's :)
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> do you have another partitioner?
[05:33] <[Mirak] > ys, paste the error again
[05:34] <chibifs> Damnit, failure. ;_;
[05:34] <Mr_Smiley> nomasteryoda maybe why? :)
[05:34] <ben_> is there a shortcut to log out?
[05:34] <ben_> or end the session
[05:34] <linux_galore> mercurus: and the terms of the contract are when I arraive and leave all knowlege after that time are chargeable stop them ringing me 1am in the morning
[05:34] <Mr_Smiley> theres windows on hda1, and i'm trying to make a swap and root partition, when it tries to format the root partition i get an error saying it is unable to :/
[05:34] <bob2> ys: apt-get update
[05:34] <bob2> not upgrade
[05:34] <bob2> ben_: you can make one
[05:35] <mercurus> linux_galore: good plan :)
[05:35] <ben_> bob2: how?
[05:35] <bob2> ben_: computer -> desktop -> keybindings
[05:35] <Pariente> hi
[05:35] <chibifs> Broke the root filesystem, have to go through all of that floppy mess again. ._.
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> Mr_Smiley: try checking with Partition Magic
[05:35] <Mr_Smiley> nomasteryoda ok
[05:35] <mercurus> ben_: if you want an icon, it can be added as an applet to a gnome-panel or dragged onto the desktop frm the Computer menu
[05:36] <Pariente> can some one tell me of a filesharing prongram in the ubuntu repositori list??? please???
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> Mr_Smiley: you can get a good bootable one from Hirems... google for it
[05:36] <ys> bob2: i did update
[05:36] <linux_galore> mercurus: although the people I look after now dont ring me often they usually go through my middle person at the local tennis club or something
[05:36] <mercurus> Pariente: xmule
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> Mr_Smiley: lots of HD tools
[05:36] <legba> pariente - in universe try amule
[05:36] <Mr_Smiley> nomasteryoda ok thanks
[05:36] <legba> don't use xmule..
[05:36] <mercurus> linux_galore: lol
[05:36] <bob2> ys: you still haven't added the line I told you to
[05:36] <Pariente> mercurus: is it aesy to use????
[05:36] <legba> yes
[05:36] <mercurus> legba: my experience with xmule was positive ... did you have problems with it ?
[05:37] <Mr_Smiley> nomasteryoda i can't seem to google it link? :)
[05:37] <legba> yes
[05:37] <legba> speed and stability
[05:37] <legba> hence the existence of amule
[05:37] <linux_galore> mercurus: its a good deal i play with neat new hardware i cant ever dream to buy and she gets lots of thanks and a cut from her socialite buddies and keeps mum about the whole deal
[05:37] <Pariente> thanX 100000
[05:37] <ys> bob2: i did it's in the middle of it
[05:38] <eclipse_> does anyone know how to install k3b on ubuntu?
[05:38] <bob2> eclipse_: aptget install k3b.
[05:38] <Pariente> apt-get install k3b..
[05:38] <chibifs> apt-get install k3b
[05:38] <legba> lol
[05:38] <chibifs> I lose.
[05:38] <eclipse_> i tried it but it said not found
[05:38] <linux_galore> to install k3b you will have to install qt and kde base
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> Mr_Smiley: just sec
[05:38] <bob2> linux_galore: no you don't
[05:38] <bob2> eclipse_: you need to enable universe
[05:39] <eclipse_> ok
[05:39] <bob2> eclipse_: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[05:39] <linux_galore> bob2: k3b uses qt and kde stuff
[05:39] <legba> hmm
[05:39] <eclipse_> ok
[05:39] <bob2> linux_galore: yes, but apt does that for you
[05:39] <legba> synaptic has a problem with lower resolutions.
[05:39] <mercurus> linux_galore: indeed ... almost sufficient encouragement for me to take up tennis :P
[05:39] <legba> this should be fixed.
[05:39] <Pariente> people i installed ubuntu but surpricingly had many problems with eth0
[05:39] <linux_galore> bob2: duh I know that but thats what will happen
[05:39] <[Mirak] > ys, uncomment that universe line.......quanta is in universe
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> Mr_Smiley: sorry...hirens boot cd ... http://62.253.162.19/hiren.thanki/bootcd.html
[05:40] <bob2> Pariente: can you be more vague?
[05:40] <Pariente> had to go back to morphix
[05:40] <Mr_Smiley> nomasteryoda thanks
[05:40] <linux_galore> lol
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> np
[05:40] <mercurus> bob2: how exactly does Canonical make money ?
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> excellent toolset
[05:40] <Pariente> vague??
[05:40] <legba> hirens boot cd is illegal.
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:40] <legba> !google ubcd
[05:40] <Dre[A] mcatcher> Youre search can be found at: http://www.google.com/search?q=ubcd++++
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> but i own the tools too
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> makes it easier
[05:40] <legba> whatever.
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> to have them on a CD than on bunch of crappy diskettes
[05:40] <legba> http://www.google.com/search?q=ubcd
[05:40] <mercurus> legba: wht is it illegal ?
[05:40] <mercurus> *why
[05:41] <nomasteryoda> cause it has lots of proprietary programs on it
[05:41] <legba> because it's pirated windows software mostly
[05:41] <nomasteryoda> right
[05:41] <mercurus> ah
[05:41] <Pariente> bob2: i didn't get what you say??
[05:41] <legba> ubcd is free as in no fines.
[05:41] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:41] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:41] <linux_galore> yeah Im still scratching my head on how canonical will make $$$
[05:41] <nomasteryoda> works great too
[05:41] <ions> anyone here use gnump3d?
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> yes
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> love that
[05:42] <bob2> anyway, windows warez is fairly off-topic
[05:42] <bob2> Pariente: what sort of problems?
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> bob2: this is a dos diskette
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> cd i mean
[05:42] <bob2> same thing
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> ions: i do
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:42] <bob2> mercurus: linux_galore there are plans
[05:42] <ions> do you know if gnump3d is set to autostart when you install it?
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> no
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> you have to add it to your startup files
[05:43] <linux_galore> bob2: ooh goody will they sell me a laptop with ubuntu on it next year in Sydney
[05:43] <bob2> linux_galore: I don't know
[05:43] <bob2> linux_galore: you could ask
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[05:43] <ions> k thanks nomasteryoda
[05:43] <legba> nomaster - just recommend ubcd from now on...
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> ions: np
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> will do
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> thanks for the tip
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> legba: i use that toolset too
[05:44] <linux_galore> goto grab a new laptop next year
[05:44] <linux_galore> Ive got four laptops not one of them has enough grunt to run gimp 2.x
[05:44] <bob2> x40s are very popular in ubuntu-town
[05:45] <linux_galore> so Ive been told......... Im looking at the new ACER's
[05:45] <linux_galore> wonder if IBM still sell a cheap generic anymore
[05:46] <bob2> r-series is pretty cheap
[05:46] <legba> ibm's are great for linux
[05:46] <[Mirak] > linux_galore, wanna sell any?
[05:46] <linux_galore> bob2: thanks
[05:46] <linux_galore> mirak: Im in sydney
[05:46] <[Mirak] > linux_galore, nvm
[05:47] <[Mirak] > linux_galore, shipping would kill me....theyd want an arm or something
[05:47] <linux_galore> thinking of giving the laptops away
[05:47] <bob2> linux_galore: www.computerbank.org.au
[05:47] <legba> t42's are good too :)
[05:47] <[Mirak] > linux_galore, for free!!, maybe i will pay for shipping
[05:47] <linux_galore> bob2: yeah I know computer bank
[05:48] <linux_galore> mirak: only crappy P1's 32-48mb ram
[05:48] <mercurus> the second lowest T42 ... 2378JZM ... but it'll do what I need, and is nice and solid.
[05:49] <linux_galore> hmm
[05:49] <linux_galore> looking up the IBM r series
[05:50] <jgeorgeson> any here familiar with the synaptics touchpad driver?
[05:50] <ys> does anyone use warty for ppc?
[05:50] <legba> r31s are nice linux_g
[05:51] <legba> can get them cheap used
[05:52] <bob2> ys: just ask on the list
[05:54] <ions> nomasteryoda - how do I add gnump3d to startup files?
[05:55] <corbob> is it possible to get the forward and back buttons on an internet mouse to work in ubuntu?
[05:55] <ions> intellimouse?
[05:55] <bob2> yes
[05:55] <bob2> install the firefox extension
[05:55] <corbob> wireless intellimouse explorer...
[05:55] <jgeorgeson> awesome!!!
[05:56] <corbob> from synaptic?
[05:56] <bob2> nope
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> ions: O_O
[05:57] <ions> heh
[05:57] <ions> same as any other distro?
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> should work
[05:57] <ions> k nm, stupid question then
[05:57] <ions> sorry
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> i only do mine when i feel like it
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> ions
[05:58] <corbob> i suppose on the 9th it might be a good idea to upgrade everything, as firefox 1.0 will be out...
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> ions: i made another user for that
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> to keep my box a little safer
[05:58] <bob2> no
[05:58] <bob2> warty will never have firefox 1.0
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> ions: i ssh into the box and start it as the user by using screen
[05:58] <jgeorgeson> bob2: any idea what the extension is called/
[05:58] <bob2> hoary already has pr1
[05:58] <corbob> why?
[05:58] <ions> ahh
[05:59] <ions> interesting
[05:59] <legba> warty will stay the same...
[05:59] <bob2> warty will never be updated
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> ions, screen is cool
[05:59] <bob2> it's released now, it only gets security and critical bug fixes
[05:59] <ions> yeah screen rocks
[05:59] <corbob> i thought i read somewhere about 18 months of updates...
[05:59] <corbob> oh ok
[05:59] <bob2> 18 months of security updates
[05:59] <corbob> how will upgrading from one version of ubuntu to the next go?
[05:59] <ions> hopefully well
[06:00] <ions> xorg will probably require the most attention
[06:00] <ions> but that's easy
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:00] <bob2> jgeorgeson: http://easygestures.mozdev.org/
[06:00] <bob2> xorg packaging is not easy
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> http://www.gnu.org/software/gnump3d/FAQ.html#faq-securing
[06:01] <ions> ohhh ty
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> i restricted mine
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> to my work ip and my lappy
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> can open when needed
[06:01] <Lowry> Any ppc users have scanner zoom problems?
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> by having an extra conf file
[06:01] <corbob> what's gnump3d if you don't mind me asking...
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> mp3 streamer
[06:02] <corbob> ah i see
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> to stream your collection when you need it
[06:02] <ions> really nice Web based streamer
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> via browser
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> fast
[06:02] <corbob> ah that makes sence, gnu mp3 (d)aemon
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> low resources
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> =)
[06:02] <ions> indeed
[06:02] <ions> does oggs too
[06:02] <legba> apache seems to do that laready ;)
[06:02] <legba> *already
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:02] <ions> true, but gnump is prettier
[06:02] <legba> what does it add?
[06:03] <ions> playlists
[06:03] <legba> ooh
[06:03] <legba> there's a reason right there
[06:03] <legba> i've been doing rendezvous locally
[06:03] <jgeorgeson> linux only?
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> it's very cool indeed
[06:03] <ions> if you have your stuff well organized it's great
[06:03] <legba> or LAMP
[06:03] <legba> i do have it well organized
[06:03] <bob2> hm, I should finish my musicd
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> or you can go random
[06:03] <legba> on-the-fly playlists are where it's at
[06:04] <linux_galore> ouch IBM prices are not cheap
[06:04] <linux_galore> on laptops
[06:04] <legba> hate to say it but wmp10 has the feature
[06:04] <jgeorgeson> linux_galore: compared to whom?
[06:04] <bob2> so does every modern player
[06:04] <legba> yeah?
[06:04] <legba> name another one bob2
[06:04] <ys> bob2: i still can't get it working
[06:04] <jgeorgeson> bob2: they're talking about streamers, not players
[06:05] <corbob> legba, define on the fly playlist...
[06:05] <bob2> legba: which feature?
[06:05] <linux_galore> jgeorgeson: acer and most tw brands.........you can get cheap models buts the cpu's are slow and the features are not there
[06:05] <bob2> jgeorgeson: oh
[06:05] <legba> namely music i have yet to hear ;)
[06:05] <corbob> legba, rythm box can generate playlists based on whatever criteria you give it...
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> hey, gnump3d does mpg videos too
[06:05] <legba> hmm too bad it looks like garbage still.
[06:06] <jgeorgeson> linux_galore: i haven't looked at acer, but i worked at a place doing tech support for TI when acer bought the laptop division from them. i wouldn't compare acer to ibm
[06:06] <legba> ti still make acers?
[06:06] <jgeorgeson> i'd compare acer to emachines
[06:06] <legba> i mean
[06:06] <legba> well acwer has used hon hai for some designs so you are wrong jgeorgeson
[06:07] <linux_galore> actually ACER make a really cheap 17" laptop
[06:07] <corbob> emachines == crap!!!
[06:07] <Lowry> try ppc ubuntu on a power/ibook
[06:07] <jgeorgeson> i did say 'i haven't looked at acer"
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> http://forevergeek.com/articles/access_a_home_based_digital_music_collection_from_anywhere.php
[06:07] <Lowry> dual boot with os x
[06:07] <linux_galore> the acer stuff i saw on show yesterday looked really well made and looked very nice
[06:07] <legba> yeah they switched ODM's
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> ions: it's been months since i last used mine
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> i don't even remember the password
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:08] <ions> lol
[06:08] <linux_galore> I thought the price on the laptops would be expensive but when the rep said AUD$1300 for the standard model my jaw dropped
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> i go to my den with the laptop
[06:08] <legba> 290E
[06:08] <legba> :P
[06:09] <nomasteryoda> ... and listen using gnump3d
[06:09] <legba> linux_g that model isn't recommended for linux
[06:09] <linux_galore> legba: I'll write all the models down but the 17" one looked nice
[06:10] <legba> prolly 3000 series
[06:10] <linux_galore> legba: AUD$2350 for a 17" laptop with a huge 120Gb hardisk and a nice ATI card hit the spot
[06:10] <legba> i'd go geforce go if i were you
[06:11] <linux_galore> legba: yeah I use nvidia on all the desktops
[06:11] <legba> just easier
[06:12] <linux_galore> that will be the killer with most laptops is have they got an nvidia card....del have a cheap model AUD$1899 with a fx5200 mobile card 14.1" screen
[06:13] <jgeorgeson> be careful with dell. with ship busted DSDTs (acpi issues) and unless their bios implementation of the intel integrated graphics chips is busted
[06:14] <legba> he's right.
[06:14] <jgeorgeson> and if you have any problem, even if it's bad hardware, they won't listen to you if you're not troubleshooting with windows
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> jgeorgeson: i got a new dell laptop
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> and Ubuntu would not install
[06:14] <jgeorgeson> what model?
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> and suse was almost as bad
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> 505
[06:14] <jgeorgeson> latitude?
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> ye
[06:14] <LinuxJones> night all
[06:14] <jgeorgeson> does it have the intel i8x0 chipset
[06:15] <jgeorgeson> ?
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> might just
[06:15] <bob2> the DSDT suckage can be worked around
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> not sure
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> heck, it wouldn't even boot from the CD
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> but at least it did in suse
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> but screen was black and blue
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> i mean 2 colors
[06:15] <jgeorgeson> bob2: yeah, i'm still trying to get into figuring that out, i did recompile the dsdt, haven't rolled it into the kernel though
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> but Ubuntu has been good elsewhere
[06:16] <jgeorgeson> nomasteryoda: i had to backroll my bios using the floppy installer to get it to work with even the vesa driver
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:16] <jgeorgeson> the floppy bios installer, that is
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> right
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> i might have to do that too
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> is a work laptop
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> i always put linux on them
[06:17] <Gmail> ok need help quicj i got someone on the phone tring to type in hebrew in OOo but he can't he already did computer>...>keyboard>layout>isreali...>and swap to it, and he also went into OOo tools > options > lang. settings > hebrew
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> even if the fools will only use Windows
[06:17] <jgeorgeson> did you try booting with acpi=off or noapic?
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> makes my life easier to fix them
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> will do that monday
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> but on the upside
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> suse saw and installe the bluetooth adapter
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> was amazing
[06:18] <jgeorgeson> suse 9.2?
[06:18] <legba> 9.2?
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:18] <legba> or 9.1?
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> 9.2
[06:18] <legba> 9.2 IS amazing
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> but the bootables suck
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> require 256mb system ram
[06:18] <jgeorgeson> i tried the livecd to check out the acpi stuff, same result as ubuntu
[06:18] <legba> though 8.2 was best yet
[06:18] <jgeorgeson> inspiron 2600
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> legba: thought?
[06:19] <legba> ?
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> i have 6 distros +xpee on my Inspiron 7500
[06:19] <GnuHippy> what is the kernel module for the VIA KT800 Pro chipset?
[06:19] <jgeorgeson> that's crazy, how big's your disc?
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> legba: was wondering if you meant thought or though
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> 60gb
[06:19] <legba> though sorry
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:20] <Gmail> ??
[06:20] <bob2> 6? why?
[06:20] <encryptio> nomasteryoda, do you just have one swap partition?
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> to show off to lug memebers
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:20] <Gmail> can someone quickly help me it wound be really thanked for
[06:20] <encryptio> and one home folder?
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> no
[06:20] <encryptio> mm.
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> common area for sharing
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> but not commmon home
[06:20] <jgeorgeson> Gmail: i have no idea how to fix that
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> causes problems
[06:24] <Gmail> ok abiword is only 5MBs
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> Ubuntu 4.1, SuSE 9.1, Slackware 10, Libranet, Mandrake 10.1, Fedora core2 and xpee
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> kinda crazy
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> but fun
[06:28] <mbb> anyone know what file might store info about sound card resources? Looking for DMA now, troubleshooting a sound oddity.
[06:29] <jgeorgeson> /proc/dma
[06:30] <mbb> jgeorgeson: thanks, stand by, gotta start the laptop.
[06:30] <encryptio> right on, man.
[06:33] <jgeorgeson> brb
[06:42] <mbb> jgeorgeson: dma only said "4: cascade", doesn't tell me anything. the problem is,
[06:43] <mbb> sound is all garbled and slow, *unless* my nic or wireless pcmcia are plugged in. then normal. Sounded like an irq deal to me, but don't think that's it now. you have any troubleshooting ideas?
[06:43] <linux_galore> hmm T22 thinkpad are cheap on ebay
[06:43] <mbb> not just ubuntu, happens with Knoppix too.
[06:44] <jgeorgeson> thinkpads tend to work pretty well with linux
[06:44] <jgeorgeson> hm, i'm guessing your sound card isn't an old isa one?
[06:45] <mbb> jgeorgeson: thinkpad 390x, built in. essolo.
[06:45] <jgeorgeson> mbb: /proc/dma was all i had without searching google
[06:46] <mbb> another user on the mailing list has same model, does the same thing. I'm still dreaming of a fix or workaround, but I've got many hours in it, no luck!
[06:46] <jgeorgeson> mbb:  http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://adequat.c2a.fr/linux/howtos/390x/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dessolo%2Blinux%2Bdma%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D
[06:46] <jgeorgeson> loading pretty slow though, might be down
[06:47] <mbb> it works normally in ms windows 98. haven't tried a non debian based live cd.
[06:47] <Hikaru79> What is Ubuntu's equivalent of Windows' "ipconfig -all" again? ^ ^;;
[06:47] <jgeorgeson> ifconfig -a
[06:48] <bob2> ip addr
[06:50] <jgeorgeson> mbb: have you checked out linux-thinkpad.org?
[06:51] <jgeorgeson> mbb: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-118677.html
[06:51] <adoyretsamon|utb> ouch
[06:51] <adoyretsamon|utb> that is scary
[06:51] <jgeorgeson> adoyretsamon|utb: ?
[06:51] <adoyretsamon|utb> yea
[06:51] <adoyretsamon|utb> the warning
[06:51] <adoyretsamon|utb> about sensors
[06:51] <jgeorgeson> oh, yeah
[06:52] <adoyretsamon|utb> old, but good info
[06:52] <Outlander> hi
[06:52] <adoyretsamon|utb> i know my EPROM would be fried if i had one
[06:53] <adoyretsamon|utb> Hey Outlander
[06:53] <jgeorgeson> i haven't looked at lmsensors since '98/'99
[06:53] <adoyretsamon|utb> got it running on my suse desktop
[06:53] <adoyretsamon|utb> good info
[06:53] <adoyretsamon|utb> keeps my amd from frying
[06:54] <jgeorgeson> does acpi report temp info
[06:54] <mbb> jgeorgeson: linuxforums, been there. my bios doesn't have that option.there are a number of versions of the 390x.
[06:54] <adoyretsamon|utb> not sure
[06:54] <mbb> but hadn't seen linux-thinkpad.org, looking at that now.
[06:55] <adoyretsamon|utb> bios does
[06:55] <adoyretsamon|utb> i get fan speeds and CPU /MB temp
[06:55] <adoyretsamon|utb> display them in gkrellm
[06:55] <adoyretsamon|utb> plugin
[06:55] <Xenguy> well that was one short install attempt :-/
[06:55] <GnuHippy> what is the kernel module for the VIA KT800 Pro chipset?
[06:55] <GnuHippy> ???
[06:56] <Xenguy> The install hung at 'Loading components of the Ubuntu Installer', at 'Retrieving e2fsprogs-udeb'...
[06:56] <bob2> Xenguy: sure the cd burne properly?
[06:56] <Xenguy> Just started flashing at me like a stobe light :-(
[06:56] <bob2> GnuHippy: why?
[06:56] <Xenguy> er, strobe
[06:57] <Xenguy> bob2: I guess I'll try burning another copy
[06:57] <bob2> Xenguy: check the md5sum of the cd
[06:57] <linux_galore> lol IBM thinkpad 390 AUD$21
[06:57] <GnuHippy> I want to enable DMA on my drives
[06:57] <Xenguy> bob2: OK
[06:57] <GnuHippy> bob2
[06:57] <adoyretsamon|utb> GnuHippy, hdparm
[06:58] <adoyretsamon|utb> i use it
[06:59] <GnuHippy> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:00] <GnuHippy> /dev/sda:
[07:00] <GnuHippy>  HDIO_GET_QDMA failed: Invalid argument
[07:01] <GnuHippy> also why doesn't it work when I set it in disks-admin
[07:01] <GnuHippy> ?
[07:02] <adoyretsamon|utb> GnuHippy, this is old, but it is good info on hdparm
[07:02] <adoyretsamon|utb> http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html
[07:05] <hacked``> guys
[07:05] <hacked``> can anyone help me set up kismet, once and for all
[07:05] <tom-cat> hi folks
[07:06] <Xenguy> bob2: how do I check the md5sum of the CD (I don't have the original .iso file, just the burned CD) ?
[07:06] <bob2> md5sum /dev/hdc
[07:06] <vera> hi I am getting annoyed by a >350mb mem. usage for gnome-vfs-daemon
[07:06] <Xenguy> bob2: OK, tried that but was taking a long time - I'll try again
[07:06] <bob2> hacked``: install it.  read the README.  run kismet_server and kismet_client
[07:06] <vera> does anyone know how can I reduce it?
[07:08] <mbb> hacked``: what does kismet not do for you?
[07:08] <GnuHippy> adoyretsamon|utb that guide didn't work
[07:09] <GnuHippy> setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[07:09] <GnuHippy>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[07:12] <hacked``> mbb, it doesnt work
[07:13] <hacked``> get a gay message
[07:13] <hacked``> ie. FATAL: Unable to open cisco control file '/proc/driver/aironet/eth1/Config' 2:No such file or directory
[07:13] <Xenguy> bob2: hrm, here's the output (doesn't look good)...
[07:13] <Xenguy> bob2: # md5sum /dev/hdd
[07:13] <Xenguy> error processing /dev/hdd: failed in buffer_read(fd): mdfile: Input/output error
[07:14] <Xenguy> bob2: any idea if that is the CD, or some different issue?
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> GnuHippy: did you do it
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> sudo hdparm
[07:16] <GnuHippy> I did
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> odd
[07:16] <GnuHippy> I know
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> i mean really
[07:17] <mbb> hacked``: what does it do when you try? I had to edit the config file here, tell it what chipset and driver.
[07:17] <bob2> Xenguy: could be a dodge cd, could be a dodge drive
[07:18] <bob2> Xenguy: burn at a slower speed might help
[07:19] <hacked``> mbb, thats the problem, im not sure what chipset/driver i have
[07:19] <vera> can anyone help me with this gnome-vfs-daemon problem ? I run top and it says it is using 95% of cpu and 60% of memory
[07:20] <Lowry> Hi
[07:20] <Lowry> Any ppc users on?
[07:20] <Hikaru79> I'm having a small issue with java programs; for some reason, all my java programs will automatically close themselves if I close the terminal window from which I ran them
[07:20] <Hikaru79> Is this normal?
[07:20] <Hikaru79> Isn't there a way to run Java programs WITHOUT a terminal window open for it?
[07:20] <Xenguy> bob2: I guess I'll try burning another CD -- thanks
[07:20] <mbb> hacked``: what do you know about the wireless card? brand, model, does it work with ubuntu at all, etc?
[07:20] <Hikaru79> I could do it on Debian... but on Ubuntu it doesn't work :(
[07:21] <vera> Hikaru79,: ./program &
[07:21] <bob2> Lowry: lots, just ask your question
[07:21] <hacked``> yep, works perfectly, im using it now
[07:21] <Lowry> Are lucent 802.11b card supported from the cd?
[07:21] <bob2> Lowry: yes
[07:21] <bob2> well, some at least
[07:21] <Lowry> I just wanted to add it and networking crashed
[07:21] <Hikaru79> vera, what do you mean?
[07:21] <bob2> "networking crashed"?
[07:22] <Lowry> Selected eth1
[07:22] <hacked``> mbb, its a cisco, on my toshiba satellite pro 6100 laptop
[07:22] <hacked``> mbb, actually its a prism 2 card
[07:23] <Lowry> rebadged lucent silver
[07:23] <GnuHippy> how do I alias my SATA drive as ATA from grub?
[07:24] <bob2> alias it? why?
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> bob2: he wants to use hdaparm
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> and it doens't support scsi
[07:24] <nomasteryoda> so alias SCSI=IDE ?
[07:25] <GnuHippy> /dev/sda1:
[07:25] <GnuHippy>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[07:25] <GnuHippy>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Invalid argument
[07:25] <bob2> ug
[07:25] <GnuHippy> thats the error I get
[07:25] <mbb> hacked``: I went to "http://www.kismetwireless.net/documentation.shtml" and read the Section 11 about Capture Sources
[07:25] <nomasteryoda> bob2: it's a SATA drive
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> mounted on /dev/sda1
[07:26] <bob2> I know
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> ok
[07:26] <bob2> I'm pretty sure they all enable dma by default
[07:26] <bob2> unless some idiot vendor made a broken one already
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> totally possible
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> lots of idiots out there
[07:26] <nomasteryoda> =)
[07:26] <bob2> GnuHippy: file a bug
[07:26] <mbb> hacked``: and in my case, edited /etc/kismet/kismset.conf - changed source=mdwif_g,ath0,madwif_gsource and It Just Worked.
[07:27] <GnuHippy> well DMA isn't enabled on my DVD burner and my whole system crawls when burning
[07:27] <nomasteryoda> mbb, cool
[07:27] <GnuHippy> which doesn't happen in other distros
[07:27] <nomasteryoda> GnuHippy: mine did
[07:27] <nomasteryoda> until i set it
[07:27] <bob2> your dvd is sata?
[07:27] <GnuHippy> no IDE
[07:28] <GnuHippy> ATA
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> unless things have changed, the default is to make most compatible...i.e. slower, but working
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> i enable 32bit disk access on the HDs too
[07:29] <GnuHippy> well DMA was enabled in Windows by default
[07:29] <mac2612> hi guys, just installed ubuntu, and totem's crashing whenever I try and open something in totem
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> mac2612: does that for me too
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> any movie
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> i got mplayer
[07:30] <mac2612> yeah
[07:30] <mac2612> songs too?
[07:30] <GnuHippy> you need the codecs to handle the movie
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> that fixed
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> yes
[07:30] <schifo> guys, fedora 3 just came out 10 minutes ago, what is ubuntu's response ?
[07:30] <GnuHippy> totem-xine and w32codecs etc
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> yuck
[07:30] <mac2612> it's not in the apt-get sources, so it's a pain
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> mac2612: yes it is
[07:30] <GnuHippy> you have to add universe and multiverse
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> yea
[07:30] <mac2612> gnuhippy, totem-xine will uninstall ubuntu-desktop for some reason
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> thks
[07:31] <mbb> hacked``: another site worth a look is http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz for finding chipset, etc about a wide range of cards
[07:31] <GnuHippy> wha???
[07:31] <GnuHippy> wierd
[07:31] <mac2612> yep
[07:31] <nomasteryoda> mac2612: just try mplayer
[07:31] <GnuHippy> get mplayer and compile it from source
[07:31] <mac2612> nomasteryoda, that's probably what I'll do in the end
[07:31] <nomasteryoda> apt-get install mplayer works
[07:31] <GnuHippy> make sure you install w32codecs before you compile it
[07:31] <mac2612> I'm more farmiliar with mplayer anyways
[07:31] <GnuHippy> yeah
[07:31] <bob2> schifo: um, what is there to respond to?
[07:32] <nomasteryoda> it's very sweet
[07:32] <nomasteryoda> bob2, LOL
[07:32] <GnuHippy> fedora sucks
[07:32] <nomasteryoda> amen
[07:32] <mac2612> yeah I've compiled mplayer before
[07:32] <GnuHippy> up2date sucks
[07:32] <GnuHippy> yum sucks
[07:32] <bob2> RANDOME LINUX #32837 came out today, too
[07:32] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[07:32] <bob2> we should issue a press release!
[07:32] <GnuHippy> because linux distro should really compete that heavily ;)
[07:32] <schifo> bob2, there needs to be a rapid response to competitor's news
[07:32] <nomasteryoda> bob2, but it is good another distro was released
[07:32] <bob2> schifo: why?
[07:33] <GnuHippy> distro wars are stupid
[07:33] <bob2> schifo: what is there to say?
[07:33] <schifo> bob2, distro war
[07:33] <bob2> schifo: huh?
[07:33] <nomasteryoda> schifo: i have 6 on my laptop... not a war
[07:33] <schifo> bob2, ex: new ubuntu version out monday
[07:33] <bob2> no one older than 13 takes "distro wars" as anything more than a joke
[07:33] <schifo> that would be a response
[07:33] <bob2> schifo: that would be stupid
[07:33] <mac2612> well at least they encourage competitiveness
[07:33] <bob2> there's 5.5 months left in hoary's development cycle
[07:33] <nomasteryoda> experimentation is what i like about it
[07:34] <GnuHippy> hoary pwnz
[07:34] <nomasteryoda> how long is the timeout on sudo?
[07:35] <GnuHippy> I think it is 5 min
[07:35] <nomasteryoda> ok
[07:35] <nomasteryoda> good
[07:35] <GnuHippy> is the AMD64 build good yet?
[07:35] <GnuHippy> I may switch over to that to see if I can get DMA working
[07:36] <mdz> GnuHippy: absolutely
[07:36] <mdz> nomasteryoda: default is 15min
[07:36] <GnuHippy> are the hoary packages all there for AMD64?
[07:36] <wfx> where do i find a apt resoure for the eclipse ide
[07:37] <mdz> GnuHippy: essentially
[07:37] <mdz> there are probably some failures out in universe, but then, there are for i386 too
[07:37] <GnuHippy> k
[07:37] <mac2612> hmm is the ppc build oldworld compatible?
[07:38] <nomasteryoda> mdz, even better
[07:38] <nomasteryoda> thks
[07:38] <nomasteryoda> mac2612: i've got an old world powerbook
[07:38] <bob2> mac2612: I don't think it will boot on it
[07:38] <mdz> mac2612: the software will generally run on it, but the installer isn't very smart about oldworld
[07:38] <nomasteryoda> 200mhz
[07:38] <nomasteryoda> 3400c
[07:38] <mdz> you'll likely need to set up the boot loader yourself
[07:38] <nomasteryoda> runs yellowdog
[07:38] <mac2612> yeah, bootx probably
[07:38] <nomasteryoda> yup
[07:39] <mac2612> yeah I don't like yellowdog very much
[07:39] <nomasteryoda> me too
[07:39] <nomasteryoda> it's deadhat
[07:39] <nomasteryoda> if i could move to Ubuntu
[07:39] <nomasteryoda> i certainly would
[07:39] <mac2612> it's just an even worse implementation of redhat
[07:39] <mac2612> yeah
[07:39] <mac2612> hmm well I'm gonna have a look at it sometime
[07:39] <nomasteryoda> i only have 48mb ram
[07:39] <nomasteryoda> thats the issue
[07:39] <mac2612> on my powercomputing clone
[07:39] <mac2612> yeah
[07:39] <mac2612> LOL
[07:39] <bob2> the installer should just run in 48MB
[07:40] <mac2612> I was trying to run linux on a 1400c with 16mb ram
[07:40] <bob2> but gnome will be very unhappy
[07:40] <nomasteryoda> bob2, good
[07:40] <nomasteryoda> my gnome was unhappy
[07:40] <mac2612> yeah, but you could substitiute gnome with like icewm
[07:40] <nomasteryoda> ... i got the thing from the dumpster
[07:40] <nomasteryoda> wanted to try linux on it
[07:40] <linux_galore> wonder if they will do a DVD version of Ubuntu considering DVD based machines are around 3-4 years old now
[07:40] <nomasteryoda> sure
[07:41] <mac2612> lol, our school stole 486s out of a BOCES dumpster and gave them to teachers
[07:41] <nomasteryoda> mac2612: lol
[07:41] <nomasteryoda> stole as in got them
[07:41] <nomasteryoda> not nicked
[07:41] <mac2612> yeah
[07:41] <nomasteryoda> k
[07:41] <mac2612> like
[07:41] <nomasteryoda> kool
[07:41] <mac2612> took them out of the trash
[07:41] <hazmat> are developers running hoary for a desktop?
[07:41] <linux_galore> heh heh @ dumpster diving for mhz
[07:42] <mac2612> they were eduquest 486-25s
[07:42] <mac2612> 70mb harddrives crammed with win95
[07:42] <bob2> hazmat: you'd have to ask them, but all new packages being uploaded are expected to have been tested on hoary
[07:42] <mac2612> they'dve made great linux terminals though
[07:42] <nomasteryoda> sure
[07:44] <mdz> linux_galore: yes, we'll roll a DVD image
[07:44] <mac2612> nomasteryoda, that was awhile ago, our elementary schools art department and resource rooms got stuck with 486s while some got PIIs and PIIIs
[07:44] <mdz> maybe a couple of varieties
[07:45] <mdz> hazmat: I'm running hoary on all my desktops
[07:45] <nomasteryoda> great to hear mdz
[07:45] <nomasteryoda> on both counts
[07:49] <wfx> hmmm, cant find eclipse 3.0.x
[07:51] <encryptio> what id3 editing software do you guys recommend?
[07:52] <encryptio> time to search google
[07:52] <jdandr2> I am rying to get the ov51x driver working on ubuntu (for my eyetoy) .. from http://alpha.dyndns.org/ov511/download.html#ov51x ...   when I type make, it says no directory  /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-2-386/build
[07:53] <mac2612> encryptio, kinda depends on what you're doing with it
[07:54] <smo> jdandr2: You most likely need linux-headers-2.6.8.1-2-386 installed
[07:54] <encryptio> just editing tags..
[07:54] <encryptio> simple. i don't need much else
[07:55] <mac2612> ahh
[07:55] <mac2612> like mass editing?
[07:55] <jdandr2> smo, yeah, but they don't appear to be in ubuntu's repositories, I jump from 2.6.7 to 2.6.9
[07:55] <mdz> encryptio: rhythmbox
[07:55] <mdz> jdandr2: note 'linux' rather than 'kernel'
[07:55] <mdz> (this is in the FAQ, by the way)
[07:55] <jdandr2> mdz, dooh, sorry
[07:55] <mac2612> yeah I'd go with rhythmbox usually
[07:55] <jdandr2> mdz, I usually roll my own kernel so haven't had this issue
[07:55] <nomasteryoda> yea
[07:56] <nomasteryoda> rhythmbox is great
[07:57] <jdandr2> mdz, sorry to say it, but doing what the faq says doesn't work ... : apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r` --- is 2.6.8.1-2 not the default kernel?
[07:57] <mdz> jdandr2: 2.6.8.1-2 is obsolete
[07:58] <mdz> the headers were removed from the archive along with the kernel
[07:58] <jdandr2> ahh
[07:58] <mdz> that's pre-warty stuff
[07:58] <mdz> sudo apt-get install linux-386 will get you the latest one
[07:58] <Lowry> I am getting unknown device with my lucent wireless card
[07:59] <mdz> jdandr2: if you installed a pre-release, you should read this: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogUpgradeNotes
[08:08] <hectorvs> anyone have experience using guessnet-ifupdown and waproamd?
[08:08] <mdz> hectorvs: it looks like NetworkManager is how we'll be accomplishing the same things in Hoary
[08:09] <encryptio> how do I edit a wiki I created?
[08:09] <encryptio> oh, "edit".
[08:09] <hectorvs> mdz: so i guess i have to hold 5 more months =)
[08:10] <mdz> hectorvs: not necessarily; you can upgrade to hoary anytime you like
[08:10] <mdz> if you're willing to accept instability from time to time
[08:11] <hectorvs> mdz: hmm... where is the list of improvements hoary is having?
[08:12] <mdz> hectorvs: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals
[08:15] <hectorvs> mdz:  in which category does the automatic wireless detection fall into?
[08:15] <GammaRay> GNOME 2.10? hih?
[08:15] <GammaRay> err huh rather (-;
[08:16] <mdz> hectorvs: NetworkManager
[08:16] <mdz> GammaRay: huh?
[08:16] <hectorvs> mdz: thanks =)
[08:16] <teletype> i've been using linux since slackware 0.99pl14, and i have to say ubuntu is probably the most impressive distro i've seen
[08:16] <GammaRay> mdz: my question exactly
[08:16] <mdz> GammaRay: I don't understand your question
[08:17] <teletype> if there's any developers here, kudos =)
[08:17] <GammaRay> mdz: what's up w/ that version?
[08:17] <hectorvs> hey mdz: is there a way for ubuntu to have a nice startup screen (like a loading screen) at boot up instead of the ugly startup text?
[08:17] <smo> *ahem*  wrong window
[08:17] <mdz> GammaRay: when hoary is released, it will include GNOME 2.10
[08:18] <mdz> hectorvs: that's the "usplash" item on the same page
[08:18] <hectorvs> =)
[08:19] <GammaRay> mdz: gnome is currently at 2.8.x.. where do they get "2.10" from?
[08:20] <mdz> GammaRay: GNOME uses a release numbering scheme similar to Linux
[08:20] <mdz> GammaRay: 2.8 is a stable release, 2.9 development, 2.10 stable, etc.
[08:21] <GammaRay> hmm I guess i just assumed 3.0 was next
[08:21] <GammaRay> I read 2.10 as 2.1
[08:21] <|trey|> GammaRay, 3.0 would represent a break of binary compatibility... there won't be one..
[08:22] <GammaRay> I'm sure they could think of something ;-)
[08:23] <|trey|> :/
[08:25] <hectorvs> mdz: the gnome-background-properties keeps crashing on me every time I open it, this happened ever since i tried to add a readonly wallpaper through the drag and drop... how can i fix this? =(
[08:26] <GammaRay> is it just me or are some tools missing from gnome-system-tools?
[08:27] <GammaRay> like the bootloader and the run level editors
[08:28] <|trey|> GammaRay, I see both...
[08:28] <bob2> same here
[08:28] <schifo> i was wondering if anybody can help me get my orinoco driver into monitor mode
[08:28] <|trey|> 'Boot' and 'Services'...
[08:28] <GammaRay> hmm.. what are the bins called?
[08:28] <schifo> having a hard time
[08:28] <schifo> downloaded the patch
[08:28] <schifo> not sure how to apply
[08:29] <schifo> or if i even have the correct patch
[08:29] <hectorvs> i cant change my background! =S the app crashes everytime!
[08:29] <mdz> GammaRay: the init script manager was disabled upstream
[08:29] <|trey|> 'boot-admin' and 'services-admin'
[08:29] <hectorvs> how do i reset it?
[08:29] <mdz> it breaks things
[08:29] <GammaRay> mdz: don't see either when I do dpkg -L gnome-system-tools | grep bin
[08:29] <mdz> GammaRay: exactly
[08:29] <mdz> they're disabled
[08:30] <smo> hectorvs: You could try editing ~/.gnome2/backgrounds.xml to remove the wallpaper that's causing issues .. I'm not sure if there's a more graceful aproach
[08:30] <GammaRay> so why does |trey| here have them?
[08:30] <mdz> you'll have to ask |trey|
[08:30] <hectorvs> smo: thanks! thatss what i needed, lemme check
[08:30] <GammaRay> me asks |trey|
[08:30] <mdz> because Ubuntu doesn't ship the run level editor
[08:31] <|trey|> GammaRay, running hoary, haven't upgraded in the last 24 hours... maybe thats why?  :/
[08:31] <mdz> ah, they might be re-enabled in the 2.9 release in hoary
[08:31] <mdz> disabled for 2.8
[08:31] <GammaRay> ic
[08:31] <mdz> I wonder whether they actually fixed the breakage, though
[08:31] <mdz> some people went and compiled it and tried to use it on ubuntu anyway
[08:31] <mdz> and it rearranges the boot order and breaks it
[08:32] <GammaRay> 2.8? what version number scheme is that? (-;
[08:32] <mdz> the one I just explained?
[08:32] <|trey|> GammaRay, quit being nit-picky... 2.8.x is what he meant...
[08:32] <GammaRay> oh so you are refering to gnome's
[08:33] <GammaRay> |trey|: I'm not.. just confused
[08:33] <hectorvs> smo: it worked great, thanks!!
[08:35] <GammaRay> seriously.. I knew about the whole odd-even scheme before.. it just never crossed my ditsy head that we would hit 10 instead of roll over
[08:45] <wfx> where do i find glib-gettext >= 2.2.0
[09:04] <wfx> i also searching for glib-gettextize
[09:05] <wfx> it should be a part of glib-2 but where do i find it
[09:06] <wfx> there are debian packages for this: ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk/v2.2/
[09:07] <Pizbit> Not thinking of the packages gettext and gettext-base are ya?
[09:08] <wfx> hase the wrong version i need gettext >= 2.2.0
[09:09] <Pizbit> What're you compiling?
[09:09] <wfx> im a developer of teg.sf.net and have swithc ot ubuntu for development.
[09:10] <wfx> switch to :-)
[09:14] <wfx> Pizbit, any hint?
[09:14] <Pizbit> nope
[09:16] <wfx> argh
[09:16] <Pizbit> Got universe and all that enabled?
[09:16] <wfx> yes
[09:17] <mdz> wfx: libglib2.0-dev
[09:17] <wfx> mdz, is installed
[09:17] <alka_trash> hey everyone
[09:17] <mdz> wfx: contains glib-gettextize
[09:17] <wfx> ah no ! not the dev :-)
[09:18] <mdz> wfx: the answer to all other questions of the same form is http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/Contents-i386.gz
[09:19] <alka_trash> I was thinking that it would nice to have a Ubuntu tweaking section in the forum
[09:19] <wfx> mdz, big thx.
[09:19] <alka_trash> Like some speed enhancements
[09:20] <mdz> like what?
[09:20] <alka_trash> like removing some unneeded modules
[09:20] <alka_trash> maybe
[09:20] <alka_trash> and hdparm
[09:20] <mdz> that won't make your system any faster
[09:20] <alka_trash> settings
[09:20] <alka_trash> really
[09:21] <alka_trash> Hmm there must be somthing
[09:21] <mdz> the interesting bits of hdparm are enabled automatically by the kernel now
[09:21] <alka_trash> how about Xfree
[09:21] <mdz> alka_trash: if there were a magic switch to make your system faster, we'd enable it by default :-)
[09:22] <alka_trash> mdz: I was thinking there must be something
[09:22] <alka_trash> other than cpu specific builds
[09:23] <alka_trash> how about pre-linking
[09:23] <alka_trash> I've heard that this is a speed up, on some systems
[09:25] <smo> I think the only "tweak" ubuntu's needed on my system, was my dualhead/TwinView setup.  Past that, not needing hours of tinkering has been the major attraction.  I do have real-life things to do afterall
[09:25] <mdz> alka_trash: you'd be surprised
[09:26] <alka_trash> I am surprised
[09:28] <mdz> we already do linker optimization, which, it turns out is a bigger win than prelinking, without the drawbacks
[09:29] <alka_trash> I love ubuntu, it's a great OS, and I feel that  ( and probably a lot of people here ) I like to tweak computer setting to get everything customized. My first complaint  : Ubuntu needs to be less polished,  so I have to tweak with the OS.    :) he he
[09:29] <wfx> ok it compile fine and works :-)
[09:30] <mdz> alka_trash: LD_DEBUG=statistics /lib/tls/i686/cmov/ld-linux.so.2 <path to program>
[09:30] <mdz> alka_trash: will show you some statistics
[09:30] <alka_trash> Thanks
[09:30] <mdz> those are the upper bounds on improvement due to prelinking
[09:30] <mdz> here's a typical value:
[09:30] <mdz>      16662:       total startup time in dynamic loader: 63510809 clock cycles
[09:31] <mdz> 63M clock cycles on a 2GHz system is about 0.03 seconds
[09:38] <volvoguy> hi all
[09:38] <Ruffian|JANE|> GOD I LOVE UBUNTU!
[09:39] <mctavish> hi ho. How is the merge coming along? I read there was some nervousness about it.
[09:39] <Ruffian|JANE|> wwhats merge?
[09:40] <hurr> stop being a nub ruffian
[09:40] <mctavish> warty-sid-hoary. Or something like that
[09:40] <Ruffian|JANE|> oh ya
[09:40] <Ruffian|JANE|> duh
[09:40] <TongMaster> mctavish, I was riding you this morning, conditions weren;t very good but I enjoye it just the same.
[09:40] <Ruffian|JANE|> hurr? wtf?
[09:41] <volvoguy> hey, can someone help me with a menial task? i have a whole drive full of mp3's, multiple levels deep. for some reason they're all showing up as executables. is there an easy way to recursively change them all?
[09:41] <mctavish> Really? I don't remember. I must have been still asleep.
[09:41] <TongMaster> The cold water woke me up at least but you performed quite well.
[09:41] <mctavish> Ho yeah, mctavish make surfboards don't they
[09:42] <TongMaster> http://mctavish.com.au/
[09:42] <TongMaster> yeah :)
[09:43] <smo> volvoguy: find?  eg, find /your/mp3s/ -name "*mp3" -exec chmod 644 "{}" ";"
[09:45] <SuperL4g> alka_trash: I wouldn't mind knowing how to remove some of those unneeded modules.  I know it's only cosmetic, but I like good looks. ;)
[09:45] <volvoguy> smo: that probably needs sudo too, right? what do the characters at the end do?
[09:45] <SuperL4g> alka_trash: I thought it would have been /etc/modules.conf, but that wasn't it.
[09:45] <Ruffian|JANE|> aaah, My kittie left me a nice regurgitated present
[09:45] <smo> volvoguy: depends who owns those files.  if your user owns them, it shouldn't need sudo.  "{}" is replaced by the filename, and ";" has a point too, I just don't know it ;o)
[09:46] <smo> (I'm a parrot-fashion kinda guy)
[09:46] <alka_trash> SuperL4g: I felt that it would help free up unused memory
[09:46] <SuperL4g> also... how I can turn on my Atheros network card from the beginning, so I don't have to reboot to access my network the first time
[09:46] <volvoguy> smo: thanks! going to process 10,000 files now. :-)
[09:46] <SuperL4g> as it stands now, I have to install with no network, then reboot, and associate with my ESSID & WEP key, and then update
[09:47] <alka_trash> SuperL4g: I guess that's not the case, oh well , it amazing I would swear that my computer was faster after removing those unused modules
[09:47] <SuperL4g> if I could do it up front it would just update everything during the install and save about 20 minutes
[09:48] <maskie> volvoguy, AFAIK the ";" means carryon and do not stop until the end .. or something to that affect
[09:48] <SuperL4g> is that possible?
[09:49] <Ruffian|JANE|> stupid net split
[09:49] <volvoguy> maskie, thanks! i'll have to check out the man page for the shell.
[09:57] <volvoguy> so, i just replatformed a SuSE server with Ubuntu. that drive of mp3's is reiserfs and i've already had to fix up some owner/group things and permissions things (it worked great smo!). any other issues i should expect to run into, getting this thing going in Ubuntu?
[09:57] <GammaRay> replatformed?
[09:58] <wfx> :-)
[09:58] <volvoguy> well, kinda. linux A to linux B. :)
[10:00] <SuperL4g> Suggestions:
[10:00] <SuperL4g>     - Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
[10:00] <SuperL4g>     - Search the Web for documents that contain " replatformed"
[10:00] <SuperL4g> >:)
[10:00] <SuperL4g> b_e_n_z: sup?
[10:00] <volvoguy> i seem to always get hung up on fstab. it should be a straightforward "/dev/hdd1 /home/music reiserfs defaults 0 0", right?
[10:00] <b_e_n_z> SuperL4g: yo
[10:01] <GammaRay> SuperL4g: my buzz word dectector was going haywire
[10:01] <GammaRay> I cringe when I hear people talking about "plating up food" on cooking shows
[10:03] <SuperL4g> is there a way to pass ESSID and WEP info before you start the install, so I can get connectivity before the first reboot? as it stands right now, I have to do the install without the network, then reboot, then update.  If I could pass the options pre-install it would update everything up front and save about 20 minutes. :)
[10:03] <volvoguy> :-) hey, when you only have one friend with a computer science degree, you tend to steal their terminology.
[10:03] <SuperL4g> tell him he needs to go back to school, then! :)
[10:03] <volvoguy> and i used it the way he uses it. but you're right, it doesn't seem to mean anything. heh.
[10:05] <maskie> volvoguy, maybe migrate might be beter suited --- migrate Linux A to Linux B
[10:06] <volvoguy> you guys just delay your answers to make people look stuff up, don't you? :-) with things fixed and mounted like my example, things seem to be working good locally. now i just need to turn this into an smb share.
[10:08] <volvoguy> at least i didn't "paradigm shift" my server. buzzwords never seem to make sense. like the line in "A Princess Bride" - "That word you keep using. I do not think it means what you think it means." :-)
[10:09] <GammaRay> volvoguy: god I hope you didn't watch that by choice
[10:10] <mdz> SuperL4g: the installer does allow you to configure the network interface immediately, if it is detected by the installer.  Unfortunately, the installer and the installed system use entirely different hardware detection methods in Warty
[10:10] <volvoguy> ok. back to work. we *kinda* have a gui to set up smb shares in Hoary, but we have to do it manually in Warty, correct?
[10:11] <volvoguy> GammaRay: what do you mean!? i've comitted the entire script to memory! it was a cult favorite in my band. one member even had the theme music played at his wedding. hehe.
[10:11] <Hikaru79> Where do you edit the mimetype associations of Firefox?
[10:12] <GammaRay> so.. this band you keep speaking of...
[10:12] <plovs> volvoguy, hi, how is installing going?
[10:12] <Todd_MA_1975> volvoguy: yep. shares-admin isn't in Warty
[10:13] <volvoguy> GammaRay: i'm sure you never heard of us (heard in the past tense). we haven't done it professionally since the early 90's.
[10:14] <volvoguy> hey plovs. install is good. big hard drive full of files is good. now i just need to do some smb.conf tweaking.
[10:14] <GammaRay> volvoguy: all my music is from the early 90's (-;
[10:14] <plovs> volvoguy, what did you mean with headless?
[10:14] <GammaRay> around 93, they just stopped making good music
[10:15] <plovs> volvoguy, in your mail to ubuntu-doc
[10:15] <volvoguy> GammaRay: ok. i'll give you a free tshirt of you've heard of us. we had the brilliant name "glorious thunder" - and i wasn't in the band when they picked that name. :-)
[10:15] <Todd_MA_1975> Hikaru79: Looking at about:config it looks like the global file is /etc/mime.types and individual user at ~/.mime.types
[10:16] <Hikaru79> Thanks, Todd =)
[10:16] <GammaRay> volvoguy: never heard of ya :-P
[10:16] <volvoguy> plovs: eventually this is just going to be a fileserver. no video card, and i really don't need to run Gnome.
[10:16] <GammaRay> volvoguy: the name could have been worse..
[10:17] <GammaRay> could have been britney spears or something
[10:17] <volvoguy> GammaRay. I know. I can't even repeat some of the alternative ideas. hehe.
[10:17] <SuperL4g> mdz: yeah, and while the installer detects the ethernet NICs it does not see the wireless NIC. :/
[10:18] <GammaRay> live was not the greatest name
[10:18] <plovs> volvoguy, if you want some sort of frontend use webmin
[10:18] <volvoguy> plovs: i haven't searched the site or the list yet, but i'm sure it's pretty easy to just boot to a console instead of a full gui.
[10:18] <SuperL4g> mdz: which is strange, because if I execute a shell from the installer, it shows that the modules for the Atheros NIC are loaded. :)
[10:18] <GammaRay> for one.. is it live or live?
[10:19] <wfx> GammaRay, hmmm by this nick i must think on birth control ;-)
[10:19] <volvoguy> plovs: webmin is a samba thing, right? *going to check out the repositories*
[10:20] <SuperL4g> no
[10:20] <SuperL4g> webmin is a webmin thing
[10:20] <wfx> :) webmin can do alot
[10:20] <SuperL4g> you can say that again
[10:20] <GammaRay> wfx: it's actually named after a band who took their name from the song GammaRay by guess who
[10:21] <volvoguy> just remember - the more options i get, the more questions i ask you. :-)
[10:21] <GammaRay> webmin... is uh.. webmin
[10:21] <plovs> volvoguy, webmin can make windows users admin a *nix box
[10:21] <wfx> ok, i leave. have a nice day
[10:21] <GammaRay> I find it easier to just crack open a text editor
[10:22] <smo> volvoguy: It's not as confusing as it sounds. webmin is what it claims .. web-based admin.  You feed it plugins depending on what you want to admin with it.  webmin-samba is one of them
[10:22] <GammaRay> in a gui you have to have a checkbox for "everything". it gets confusing.
[10:22] <volvoguy> plovs: i'm going to take a peek at it. looks like it must be in universe? also, i'm not a windows user but my mom is and i don't think she could admin a *nix box. :-)
[10:23] <GammaRay> windows users can't admin windows boxes
[10:23] <volvoguy> hehe
[10:23] <Hikaru79> I'm trying to run BitTornado here... I installed it and everything but when I open a torrent with btdownloadgui.py, simply nothing happens... what'd I do wrong? ><
[10:23] <plovs> volvoguy, it is the easiest way to admin samba, i think
[10:23] <GammaRay> have you seen window's permissions?
[10:24] <volvoguy> thanks plovs!
[10:25] <volvoguy> the general idea with services is that if it's installed, it's going to run. is that a fair statement? once in install the samba server and edit smb.conf, and restart samba - that should be it?
[10:27] <GammaRay> volvoguy: if it has a symlink in /etc/rcS.d/ it should
[10:28] <volvoguy> Thanks GammaRay.
[10:29] <GammaRay> take a look at update-rc.d
[10:29] <plovs> volvoguy, updating the howto how to do this, wait 5 minutes
[10:30] <volvoguy> wow. tons of webmin plugins! it doesn't specify for apache - anyone know if it handles apache2?
[10:30] <volvoguy> thanks plovs!
[10:30] <JDahl> is there no 'kernel-source-2.6.8'?
[10:30] <plovs> is it correct that if i use update-rc.d and the service gets updated, does the service start to run again?
[10:30] <plovs> volvoguy, yes it does
[10:31] <alka_trash> hey everyone, I just got back from a security patching class
[10:32] <alka_trash> interesting stuff
[10:32] <volvoguy> plovs: cool. i might just have to bug you for more info in private chat. (or is it better to keep things public so everyone can learn?) gotta watch that signal to noise ratio.
[10:34] <ernie> hey guys, im having an issue on my laptop when i leave it alone for a while on my home wireless netowrk i cant get back on the internet unless i log into my router and renew dhcp, any suggestions?
[10:34] <alka_trash> I went to Seattle Wa for a company called Patchlink, the rep said that there software will patch Linux, when the question came up about how can you keep up with all the distro's she said that there company patches everything. then I thought that this was a marketing ploy.
[10:35] <alka_trash> I just went to there site, I'm not finding much about patching linux.
[10:36] <b_e_n_z> ernie: sounds like your ap/router has config issues
[10:36] <volvoguy> hey plovs: webmin-apache is dependant on apache 1.3. do i need to install 1.3 and 2.0?
[10:36] <alka_trash> Corporations are feeling the pressure to keep there systems up to date
[10:36] <ernie> well, it works ok on windows
[10:36] <plovs> volvoguy, no, then don't use it
[10:37] <volvoguy> plovs: ok. i REALLY only needed samba anyway. thanks!
[10:37] <alka_trash> yes, it does but to clump linux together like windows I think is impossible
[10:37] <alka_trash> unless your talking about just one distro ( redhat, Suse )
[10:37] <plovs> volvoguy, good, it should work with apache2, maybe ask on the mailing-list
[10:37] <volvoguy> plovs: ok. will do.
[10:38] <alka_trash> so these stats come out about linux and they only pertain to one distro,
[10:38] <maskie> ernie, there is some issues with software suspend on laptops and when it wakes up ... there is some stuff on the wiki about it
[10:39] <JDahl> I cannot find either kernel source or headers for 2.6.8 which is standard for ubuntu...
[10:40] <plovs> volvoguy,  https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuBootupHowto, and stop /etc/init.d/gdm you will no longer have a graphical login or remove gdm off-course
[10:40] <smo> JDahl: ubuntu names then linux-(source,headers,images,modules) rather than kernel-  .. it's covered on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogUpgradeNotes
[10:41] <JDahl> thanks
[10:41] <maskie> JDahl, and the kernel is 2.6.8.1
[10:41] <volvoguy> thanks plovs!
[10:42] <alka_trash> I know I'm ranting but, I think the whole windows security thing is a conspiracy, it's there to create money. why else would MS release a tool to fix the issue made by another company ( Slahvic )
[10:44] <alka_trash> it's like they are making things half ass purposely and then making to pay for the fault.
[10:44] <volvoguy> i tend to agree with you alka_trash. how many MONTHS did they work on SP2, and then in a matter of WEEKS they announce 10 major security issues that still aren't fixed. sheesh.
[10:44] <Kotaka>      - ?
[10:44] <nefertati> hello i ust downloaded gnome-ppp but i dont how to install it. i opened synaptic but i cant find it in the list. can someone help me?
[10:44] <hurr> more security issues because more use it
[10:45] <Lowry> Hi
[10:46] <alka_trash> MS says here's "here's Microsoft Baseline security analyzer for free, but if you want something that you can really use and report on you have to pay 50,000 for
[10:46] <alka_trash> oh bTW it made by this company
[10:46] <Lowry> I am looking for a bug report - but it was not saved to my flash drive
[10:46] <Lowry> Is there a "console" app like in os x
[10:47] <volvoguy> i don't know if that's true though hurr. that's almost like saying that microsoft knows windows better than linux devs know linux. the quantity of installs doesn't really factor in.
[10:47] <Lowry> With a list of logs?
[10:48] <volvoguy> Lowry - you can find all kinds of logs in /var/logs. the console is in the applications menu under system tools.
[10:48] <mjr> Kotaka, 
[10:49] <Kotaka>    
[10:49] <alka_trash> Linux is way easier to install anyhow, insert CD boot live version of linux, click on click click, install live cd onto harddrive. done ---------- and yes it can be harder depending on what you need to do, but that relative to windows to  :)
[10:50] <alka_trash> what happens to linux it that there is always something that you can openly tweak with
[10:50] <nefertati> i just downloaded gnome-ppp but i dont how to install it. i opened synaptic but i cant find it in the list. can someone help me?
[10:50] <alka_trash> nefertati: sodo dpkg -i <package>
[10:50] <alka_trash> enjoy
[10:51] <nefertati> thanks alka_trash
[10:51] <alka_trash> yeppers
[10:55] <nefertati> alka_trash it says " status database area is locked by another process"
[10:55] <alka_trash> nefertati: close symantic
[10:55] <alka_trash> doh
[10:56] <volvoguy> hey plovs. if you're still here, i discovered that if you select apache2 to install first and THEN select webmin-apache, you don't get dependency messages.
[10:56] <alka_trash> It would be cool if a forum had a point system that people could give you points if you help them
[10:57] <volvoguy> there are generic sites like that on the web alka_trash.
[10:57] <plovs> volvoguy, ah good, i was wondering why it didn't work
[10:57] <alka_trash> nice
[10:58] <nefertati> alka _trash "Couldn't find package gnome-ppp-0.3.17.tar.gz"
[10:58] <alka_trash> volvoguy: man it's hard competing against the world with ideas  :)
[10:58] <volvoguy> i don't remember the name, but on some, people ask questions and then pick the best answer from whoever replies. then they get paid. :)
[10:58] <volvoguy> there's nothing new under the sun alka_trash. :)
[11:00] <volvoguy> nefertati: you either need to be in the directory with the deb file, or use the whole path "dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb"
[11:00] <volvoguy> oops. with a sudo in there too. :)
[11:02] <yann__> he is not using a .deb package... it's a tar.gz (probably source file)
[11:02] <nefertati> now its .tar
[11:02] <yann__> then untar
[11:03] <yann__> cd into the dir, check if there is a file like readme or install
[11:03] <yann__> you will probably have to compile the thing yourself
[11:04] <volvoguy> oops. sorry 'bout that. strange that isn't in the repositories.
[11:04] <the_one> hi
[11:04] <nefertati> i tryed synaptic but i cant find it
[11:05] <Buzzzz_> is it possible to put emacs or vim in gnomes program menus?
[11:05] <nefertati> in which file i had to download the file. because now it is desktop
[11:06] <yann__> Buzzzz_: you could take gvim, that should show up
[11:06] <Lowry>  Where would bug report tool keep past crash logs?
[11:06] <the_one> guys, I need to start k3b setup to and it asks me for the root password, and my password doesn't work. Any suggestions?
[11:06] <Buzzzz_> yann__, oki. should try that. but you can't put other programs there?
[11:06] <volvoguy> nefertati - yeah. i checked too. if it requires compiling, i'm going to leave that to someone more knowledgable than myself.
[11:07] <yann__> Buzzzz_: so far i had no need to. so i do not have a clue how to ;-)
[11:07] <Buzzzz_> yann__, oki thanks
[11:07] <nefertati> :( i dont know how to compile.
[11:08] <yann__> Buzzzz_: well gvim does not show up here in my menus...
[11:08] <the_one> how can I make cdrecord and cdrdao run with root permissions?
[11:08] <the_one> anyone?
[11:09] <Buzzzz_> yann__, ok.. A shortcut on the desktop will do then
[11:09] <yann__> nefertati: what does the readme/install file say? usually just do a ./configure && make && make install
[11:09] <smo> Buzzzz_: "nautilus applications:/" .. you should beable to right-click and add launchers within there
[11:09] <volvoguy> nefertati: there's a debian package for gnome-ppp, but you might want to ask the mailing list to see if anyone has tried it yet.
[11:10] <nefertati> ok now gnome ppp its a dir now i cd to it... i typed ./configure but... it says "hecking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
[11:10] <nefertati> checking whether build environment is sane... yes
[11:10] <nefertati> checking for gawk... no
[11:10] <nefertati> checking for mawk... mawk
[11:10] <nefertati> checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
[11:10] <Buzzzz_> yann__, I have never used gnome before so..
[11:10] <nefertati> checking for intltool >= 0.21... 0.30 found
[11:10] <nefertati> checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl
[11:10] <nefertati> configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool"
[11:10] <Buzzzz_> nefertati, seems that you miss a perl module
[11:10] <beans> i've decided that the build-dep option for apt-get is the finest ever
[11:10] <nefertati> what can i do for that? buzzzz_ ?
[11:11] <Buzzzz_> nefertati, try to fetch it from CSPAN
[11:11] <volvoguy> nefertati: i think that's the "libxml-parser-perl" package in synaptic.
[11:12] <nefertati> ?
[11:12] <the_one> nobody can help?
[11:12] <nefertati> i 'll go to see vovlvoguy
[11:13] <volvoguy> sorry the_one. i haven't tried k3b yet in ubuntu.
[11:15] <the_one> not especially k3b, but there sure is a command to set root permissions to cdrecord and cdrdao, any help with that is appreciated
[11:15] <nefertati> vovlvoguy: there is an libxml2 and libxml2-python2.3
[11:15] <superted> my friend is getting constant problems with the permissions of the .ICEauthority file, so that he can't log in, is there a long-lasting solution?
[11:17] <plovs> the_one, chmod +s
[11:17] <plovs> the_one, sudo chmod +s <program>
[11:17] <volvoguy> nefertati - try searching for "libxml-parser-perl"
[11:17] <nefertati> ok
[11:18] <the_one> plovs: thanks, I'll try that
[11:18] <JonUbuntuNewbie> Hey all - the ubuntu wiki/site doesn't mention much about vnc.  I tried  "apt-get install vnc-common" and it says its there.  How do I run the darn thing?
[11:19] <nefertati> volvoguy : nothing
[11:19] <volvoguy> hi Jon - try the applications menu under internet. "terminal server client".
[11:19] <bob2>  /win31
[11:20] <mjr> vnc-common is only the common files for vnc stuff, there's no clients or servers there
[11:20] <plovs> JonUbuntuNewbie, or under Computer > System config > Re,ote Desktop
[11:20] <mjr> install vino for a gnome-integrated server
[11:20] <volvoguy> for a server, try computer - desktop preferences - remote desktop
[11:20] <JonUbuntuNewbie> thanks volvoguy, but it's the server I want to run
[11:20] <plovs> JonUbuntuNewbie, it's already there
[11:21] <smo> volvoguy: Is that vino?
[11:21] <plovs> JonUbuntuNewbie Just set allow other users to view your desktop
[11:21] <JonUbuntuNewbie> aha, I just found something called vino-server.   Running that seems to do the trick :-/
[11:22] <smo> apparently so .. that's kinda hot.  I shall have to remember that one
[11:22] <nefertati> volvoguy : i search it but i found nothing
[11:22] <alka_trash> vino = vnc
[11:22] <volvoguy> nefertati: that package has an ubuntu logo next to it, so i assume it's in main. do you have the universe repository enabled?
[11:23] <volvoguy> yep smo. pretty slick huh? :)
[11:23] <Kal_Zakath> hi
[11:23] <volvoguy> can anyone else verify that for nefertati?
[11:24] <alka_trash> good night everyone
[11:24] <volvoguy> g'night alka_trash. thansk for the help!
[11:24] <smo> libxml-parser-perl appears to be in warty/main.  It should show up
[11:24] <Kal_Zakath> I can't see attached images anymore in the wiki, i.e. this page : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuArtwork
[11:25] <Kal_Zakath> why ?
[11:25] <volvoguy> i think that's because we switched wiki software Kal
[11:26] <volvoguy> i have the logos and color swatch in SVG format if you need them.
[11:26] <plovs> Kal_Zakath, it's an old not updated page, try https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Artwork
[11:26] <bob2> nefertati: where you here yesterday?
[11:26] <bob2> I solved your problem
[11:26] <bob2> but I forget what it was
[11:26] <nefertati> im not sure abou that volvoguy.but how i will enable the unuverse repository :??
[11:26] <plovs> Kal_Zakath, and volvoguy has more artwork
[11:26] <nefertati> yes bob2
[11:26] <bob2> nefertati: what were you asking about?
[11:27] <Kal_Zakath> volvoguy : yeah, I would need this stuff, where can I get it ?
[11:27] <Kal_Zakath> I'd like to create a bootsplash theme
[11:27] <plovs> nefertati, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:27] <Kal_Zakath> as I got bootsplash working
[11:27] <JonUbuntuNewbie> I didn't install vino - it just seems to be there.  So all is well.   A bit slow on my local area network, connecting from my Apple OS X.
[11:27] <volvoguy> Kal_Zakath: i'll put it on a webserver. give me a minute. :)
[11:28] <Kal_Zakath> ok, cool
[11:28] <Kal_Zakath> thanks m8
[11:28] <nefertati> i .m trying to install gnome-ppp but synaptic cant find it.
[11:28] <plovs> Kal_Zakath, how did you get bootsplash working?
[11:29] <Kal_Zakath> plovs : compiling my own patced kernel
[11:29] <Kal_Zakath> patched
[11:30] <volvoguy> Kal_Zakath: i have two logos and the color swatch in SVG. do you need any more than that?
[11:30] <plovs> Kal_Zakath, ok, too much work
[11:30] <Kal_Zakath> volvoguy : well, I think it's all I need, thanks :)
[11:30] <volvoguy> ok. brb.
[11:31] <Kal_Zakath> I brb too :)
[11:31] <plovs> nefertati, try to download http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/gnome-ppp and install it with sudo dpkg -i <name>
[11:32] <JonUbuntuNewbie> cheerio folks
[11:32] <bob2> virgin runs an ISP now?
[11:32] <volvoguy> Kal_Zakath: http://www.volvoguy.net/ubuntu/ubuntu_svg.tar.gz
[11:33] <volvoguy> plovs: is there some reason the SVG files didn't get moved to the new wiki?
[11:33] <plovs> nefertati, you might need wvdial as well
[11:33] <plovs> volvoguy, yes ... i am lazy
[11:33] <volvoguy> :-)
[11:34] <plovs> volvoguy, uploading pics is a pain
[11:34] <plovs> volvoguy, but feel free to do so
[11:34] <volvoguy> plovs: yeah... i noticed that.
[11:34] <Kal_Zakath> volvoguy : ok, thanks again
[11:35] <volvoguy> plovs: i'll see what i can do tomorrow. it's 5am here and i've been too busy chatting to get my work done. :-)
[11:35] <volvoguy> Kal_Zakath: you're welcome.
[11:35] <plovs> volvoguy, it would be great if you could repair http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuArtwork
[11:36] <plovs> volvoguy, ask on ubuntu-doc for help with ReST if you need it
[11:36] <plovs> volvoguy, i'm quite often there
[11:36] <bob2> rEstRuCTUreD tExT
[11:37] <plovs> bob2, ;)
[11:37] <Witigonen> Hey everyone.  What's the best way to install the iTouch package for XMMS?  Does that even work in Ubuntu and/or Gnome?
[11:38] <yann__> Witigonen: you could use acme, that is a gnome tool for multimedia keyboards, works like a charme for me
[11:39] <Witigonen> yann__, Oh, that's awesome, thanks.
[11:41] <Witigonen> Any recommended way of getting it?
[11:42] <volvoguy> plovs: sure. i'll take a look at it tomorrow. i need to sign off for now. i want to get your opinion about moving the user-created art over to the other page i made... but tomorrow. :-) have a good night everybody!
[11:42] <Gmail> yuck sf.net downgraded to fedora 2 from debian potato they cound of upgraded to ubuntu
[11:42] <plovs> volvoguy, see ya
[11:42] <smo> It's a step in the right direction
[11:42] <yann__> Witigonen: hmmm.. got to check in which src it is in
[11:42] <Witigonen> Also, is it possible to mount just a specific folder of a /dev device?
[11:43] <bob2> no
[11:43] <Witigonen> Hm, alright.
[11:43] <Witigonen> I guess I'll just make a link to that folder, then.
[11:43] <bob2> you mount whole devices
[11:43] <bob2> the kernel doesn't know whats on it until it's mounted
[11:43] <bob2> you can mount directories from one place to another, tho
[11:43] <Kal_Zakath> :(
[11:44] <Kal_Zakath> the logos I just got are screwed up
[11:44] <Witigonen> Wait, really?  That's amazing.  I'll do that.  Thanks, bob2.
[11:44] <bob2> so /mnt/music/nirvana could be mounted on /home/blah/ROCK
[11:44] <bob2> Witigonen: mount --bind /source/dir/ /destination/dir/
[11:45] <yann__> Witigonen: I think it is in universe
[11:47] <Witigonen> yann__, what's the specific package name, then?  A search for acme yields only a couple of unrelated perl things.
[11:47] <bob2> acme's gone
[11:47] <bob2> the gnome keybinding thing lets you do that now
[11:47] <bob2> but I doubt xmms listens to gnome
[11:48] <bob2> so you'll need some magic
[11:48] <Witigonen> bob2, I've never had success with xmms listening to gnome.  Volume controls work with that, though.
[11:48] <bob2> I used to bind my window manager to run "echo play | xmms-shell" when I hit some key combo
[11:48] <plovs> bob2, use pmount then you can mount as a user
[11:49] <bob2> plovs: hrm? with the bind mount thing?
[11:50] <superted> how can i solve stuff like this ? libartsc0 (>= 1.3.1)
[11:50] <Witigonen> Oh, curses.  I had to kill xine and now my sound card is taken.
[11:52] <plovs> bob2, i spoke too fast it is only for /dev/ ,to mount as user
[11:52] <bob2> right
[11:53] <Witigonen> Any idea why playing a DVD makes everything suddenly horrendously laggy?
[11:53] <Witigonen> This is with Xine... Totem can't play the DVD because I don't have the plugins for it.
[11:54] <Witigonen> libdvdcss2 is installed.
[11:54] <bob2> are you on an ibook by chance?
[11:54] <Witigonen> No, but I do have an ATI card.
[11:54] <Witigonen> I'm on a 3Ghz AMD processor.
[11:54] <bob2> odd
[11:55] <Witigonen> And fglrxinfo is reporting ATI drivers.
[11:56] <bob2> is it better if you get rid of them?
[11:56] <Witigonen> I haven't tried that.
[11:58] <Witigonen> brb.
[12:01] <Lowry> Does bug-buddy keep a log of past crash reports?
[12:05] <Witigonen> Okay, I need some help getting my sound working... XMMS when it plays mp3s just blazes through them (no, not using the DiskWriter plugin) and there aren't any system events at all, including login stuff.
[12:06] <Treenaks> Witigonen: could you paste the output of "lsmod | grep snd" to www.pastebin.com ?
[12:09] <Witigonen> http://pastebin.com/117595
[12:09] <Treenaks> Witigonen: what kind of machine is it?
[12:10] <Witigonen> Treenaks, i386.  Or do you want the detailed specs?
[12:10] <Treenaks> Witigonen: I mean, is it a laptop, or a desktop, etc.
[12:10] <Witigonen> Treenaks, desktop
[12:10] <Witigonen> Treenaks, it has a webcam with a microphone via USB plugged in.
[12:11] <Witigonen> Treenaks, but sound has been working before.
[12:11] <Treenaks> Witigonen: what if you reboot with the webcam unplugged, and only plug it in after booting?
[12:11] <Treenaks> does that fix it?
[12:11] <JStrike> Can I get Firefox to detect my Java installation?
[12:12] <Witigonen> Treenaks, let me try that.  brb.
[12:12] <Treenaks> JStrike: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:14] <JStrike> I have install Java already. That is not what I asked
[12:15] <Witigonen> Treenaks, that worked, thanks.  Strange that it was working before.
[12:15] <JStrike> I want to find out how to get Firefox to detect it
[12:15] <Treenaks> Witigonen: it has to do with the order of detection.. for some reason USB audio (from the webcam) is detected _before_ the audio on your mainboard
[12:15] <Witigonen> Treenaks, Okay.
[12:16] <Treenaks> I don't know of an easy way to fix this..
[12:16] <Witigonen> Er... uh-oh.  XMMS is still not playing mp3s.  Just skips through them.  It seems like gstreamer isn't installed... but it is.
[12:16] <Treenaks> xmms doesn't use gstreamer
[12:16] <Witigonen> Treenaks, I don't reboot that often, nor do I use the webcam that often.  So, it's not a big deal.
[12:16] <Treenaks> XMMS should use the ESD output plugin, probably
[12:16] <crimsun> JStrike: how did you install the plugin?
[12:16] <Witigonen> Well, xmms WAS playing mp3s about two reboots ago.  So strange!  I've tried OSS, alsa, and eSound and they all do the same thing.
[12:17] <JStrike> crimsun : What plugin?
[12:17] <crimsun> JStrike: ..Java?
[12:17] <JStrike> Is there a Java Plugin as well?
[12:17] <Matt|> mdz are you around?
[12:17] <Treenaks> JStrike: did you read the web page?
[12:17] <crimsun> JStrike: yes, that's what the web browser will use
[12:17] <Treenaks> Witigonen: XMMS should be in its default settings..
[12:18] <cenerentola> hi there
[12:18] <crimsun> hallo
[12:18] <JStrike> Treenaks : Yes
[12:18] <JStrike> I have Java installed already
[12:18] <Treenaks> JStrike: have you read the _entire_ page?
[12:18] <JStrike> Not the Java Plugin though
[12:18] <Treenaks> JStrike: it has a separate piece on installing it in ffox
[12:18] <crimsun> JStrike: ..but did you symlink the plugin?
[12:19] <Amaranth> So, on the 9th will someone be making firefox 1.0 packages?
[12:19] <JStrike> Treenaks : No it doesn't. It goes on to mention DVD, CSS, etc. Nothing about FFox
[12:19] <Matt|> is firefox 1 due out?
[12:19] <Matt|> cool
[12:19] <Amaranth> On the 9th, yeah.
[12:19] <Witigonen> hmm.
[12:20] <Treenaks> Matt|: tuesday, afaik
[12:20] <Witigonen> Why would XMMS be doing this?
[12:20] <Treenaks> Witigonen: uh, to annoy you? :P
[12:20] <Matt|> have you guys got the flash problem that i have?
[12:20] <Witigonen> Treenaks, well, of course!  Hehe.
[12:20] <Amaranth> I would have expected debian sid or ubuntu to have either 1.0PR or 1.0RC already, actually.
[12:20] <Matt|> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3302
[12:20] <Treenaks> Witigonen: try beep-media-player, it's a GTK2 version of xmms
[12:20] <Treenaks> Witigonen: basically
[12:20] <Amaranth> I guess everyone is just waiting for 1.0
[12:20] <JStrike> crimsun : Is there some info somewhere about getting it working?
[12:21] <Matt|> Amaranth, ubuntu warty will stick with 0.9.3
[12:21] <cenerentola> matt: with all our love... good morning
[12:21] <Matt|> cenerentola, buongiorno
[12:21] <Todd_MA_1975> Amaranth: Warty won't have 1.0 as they are only doing security fixes into it.  Hoary will probably have it.  Warty originally had the RC1 but they went back to 0.9.3 because of some serious bugs
[12:21] <JStrike> Treenaks : Are you sure you pointed me to the correct page?
[12:21] <Amaranth> that explains the weird version
[12:22] <Matt|> cenerentola, use my whole nick please so I can see your messages!
[12:22] <smo> JStrike: http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php  (linked from http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Java)
[12:22] <Treenaks> JStrike: yes, at the very bottom
[12:22] <Amaranth> 0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu3
[12:22] <Witigonen> Treenaks, beep works.
[12:22] <Treenaks> JStrike: actually, you'll need the /wiki/Java page
[12:22] <Amaranth> so hoary is like either testing or sid from debian?
[12:22] <Treenaks> JStrike: maybe I was one click ahead
[12:22] <crimsun> JStrike: you need a link from that page, which others have mentioned
[12:23] <Treenaks> Amaranth: at the moment, it feels like it, yes
[12:23] <JStrike> Treenaks : Dude, the final line is "mplayer-mozilla" in relation to getting video working with restricted formats
[12:23] <Todd_MA_1975> Amaranth: Exactly....
[12:23] <Treenaks> JStrike: then sorry, you should look at the bottom of the Java page (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java)
[12:23] <Amaranth> Are their packages for it already? Can I just change warty to hoary in sources.list?
[12:23] <crimsun> Matt|: yes, my installation exhibits similar problems.
[12:23] <JStrike> Ok. Thanks. Looking
[12:24] <Treenaks> Amaranth: you can, but it's horribly unsupported :)
[12:24] <Matt|> crimsun, its horrible huh?
[12:24] <crimsun> Matt|: if you have spare HD space on a fast machine, I suggest you build a debug version of mozilla-firefox
[12:24] <Matt|> Amaranth, i wouldn't recommend it yet
[12:24] <Amaranth> Treenaks: The day it gets Xorg I don't care how supported it is. :P
[12:24] <Witigonen> Treenaks, by uninstalling, removing the .xmms directory from ~/, and reinstalling xmms it now plays perfectly.
[12:24] <Matt|> crimsun, i don't know how :(
[12:24] <crimsun> Matt|: instructions are in the mozilla-firefox changelog
[12:24] <Amaranth> I know how to pick and choose packages from different versions.
[12:24] <Matt|> crimsun, maybe I can try
[12:24] <Amaranth> I just use ubuntu sources because of GNOME 2.8, mostly.
[12:24] <Treenaks> Witigonen: ok.. well, good luck then
[12:25] <Matt|> crimsun, i'm not much of a geek tho
[12:25] <cenerentola> matt| ... ok sorry
[12:25] <Matt|> cenerentola, np
[12:25] <crimsun> Matt|: I apologize, it seems my version of mozilla-firefox is from sid, not hoary.
[12:25] <JStrike> Treenaks : They dont mention Firefox. Are you refering to the "Method 5: Use java-virtual-machine-dummy" method?
[12:25] <Matt|> crimsun, i've never built a debian package in my life
[12:25] <JStrike> Must I do that over my installed copy
[12:25] <Treenaks> JStrike: no, the very bottom of that page says:
[12:25] <Amaranth> Matt|: Just get the installer from mozilla.org and install it into /opt
[12:26] <Amaranth> Matt|: That's what I did, works fine with flash.
[12:26] <Treenaks> Java in Firefox --eric spierings, Sat, 06 Nov 2004 09:05:49 +0000
[12:26] <Amaranth> Java isn't working, but I hate java on webpages anyway.
[12:26] <Treenaks> and then explains how to enable it
[12:26] <JStrike> I dont see that
[12:26] <Matt|> Amaranth, yeah i will: but i hope that ubuntu will be able to get it working
[12:26] <smo> JStrike: Quite literally "the very bottom" .. someone's tacked on a small note covering firefox's difference from the mozilla instructions
[12:26] <crimsun> Amaranth: if you installed into /opt, you probably need to symlink the Java plugin manually
[12:27] <JStrike> That is most certainly not there. The last line is "Or try one of these actions: AttachFile, DeletePage, LikePages, LocalSiteMap, RenamePage, SpellCheck"
[12:27] <Treenaks> JStrike: are you looking at wiki.ubuntu.com or http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[12:27] <Treenaks> you should use the second one
[12:27] <Matt|> crimsun, so you think the bug should be submitted against sid, not ubuntu?
[12:28] <JStrike> Ah. I was looking at http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Java
[12:28] <crimsun> Matt|: more than likely
[12:28] <JStrike> Thanks Treenaks
[12:28] <crimsun> Matt|: I'll have to inspect more closely first
[12:28] <Matt|> ok
[12:28] <crimsun> I'll try installing 1.0RC2 somewhere
[12:29] <Amaranth> Treenaks: Cool, that worked.
[12:29] <BenZor> Uh, how do i enable SSH in ubuntu?
[12:29] <Amaranth> Xorg is in hoary?
[12:30] <Amaranth> BenZor: Install sshd.
[12:30] <Matt|> Amaranth, don't think so yet
[12:30] <BenZor> ah ok
[12:30] <Amaranth> Matt|: A bug is filed about it not upgrading cleanly.
[12:30] <crimsun> BenZor: the client or the server?
[12:30] <BenZor> "cant find pacakge sshd"
[12:30] <Amaranth> BenZor: Whoops, try ssh.
[12:30] <Amaranth> It installs the client and the server, iirc.
[12:30] <crimsun> BenZor: sudo apt-get install openssh-server  <-- if you want the server
[12:30] <BenZor> open ssh-server
[12:30] <BenZor> yeah, i just found it
[12:31] <Matt|> Amaranth, about xorg?
[12:31] <BenZor> is there an easy way to auto config samba :(
[12:31] <Treenaks> Matt|: end of the month, at the earliest (is what I heard)
[12:31] <Amaranth> Matt|: Yeah, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=431
[12:31] <crimsun> BenZor: just install it :)
[12:31] <BenZor> crimsun- apt-get install samba?
[12:31] <Matt|> Treenaks, heh I heard this weekend
[12:31] <crimsun> BenZor: pretty much
[12:32] <BenZor> now its rejecting my password :(
[12:32] <Matt|> Amaranth, that bug was submitted by the guy making the packages
[12:32] <thoreauputic> BenZor: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[12:33] <Witigonen> Oookay.. I'm on a very large network and on said network are many Windows computers that share many files that make me happy.  So.  samba.  How?
[12:33] <thoreauputic> Witigonen: ^^^^
[12:33] <Matt|> Amaranth, note the "reporter" and "assigned to" fields are the same
[12:33] <cardador> hello
[12:33] <Matt|> hi cardador
[12:34] <cardador> hi Matt|
[12:34] <Matt|> :(
[12:34] <cardador> coaster 0.1 is out. anyone was able to install it?
[12:35] <Amaranth> BenZor: If you want a nice network browser for samba check out either jags (GNOME) or komba2 (KDE)
[12:36] <cardador> Amaranth: nautilus works very well
[12:36] <Matt|> lol
[12:36] <Amaranth> Hmm, if cdrdao is defunct (can't be killed) and it using my cd burner is there any way of getting it to eject or am I SOL until I reboot?
[12:37] <Amaranth> Oh, hey, it just got wiped out by init.
[12:37] <Amaranth> Cool.
[12:38] <fsc> anybody know if there is a deb for wxWidgets2.5 out there?  this is gtk1.2 stuff is crap
[12:38] <Witigonen> thoreauputic, thanks.
[12:39] <BenZor> You guys rock
[12:39] <BenZor> #redhat is like "OMFG BUY SUPPORT U N00BZOR"
[12:39] <fsc> haha. rofl
[12:40] <Amaranth> fsc: libwxgtk2.4 uses GTK1.2?
[12:40] <Amaranth> Wow, no wonder my wxPython app looks like crap.
[12:41] <fsc> Amaranth, yep. and it looks like crap
[12:41] <Witigonen> So, I'm betting the answer to this is no, but is there any way to browse iTunes shared music?
[12:41] <BenZor> more themes are availiable in gnome-themes?
[12:41] <Amaranth> You can't make an iTunes Music Store interface that looks like that, it just isn't allowed.
[12:41] <Amaranth> Witigonen: On your local network?
[12:42] <Witigonen> Amaranth, yes.
[12:42] <thoreauputic> BenZor: gnome-themes-extras I think
[12:42] <fsc> we need a wxWidgets2.5 deb.  it's painful to look at gtk+1.2
[12:42] <yogeex> hi everyone. is there any way to get a graphical boot up screen? (as in the case of the live cd)
[12:42] <BenZor> avaialiable but is referred to buy another name
[12:42] <Amaranth> I doubt tunesbrowser is in apt, check out http://crazney.net/programs/itunes/tunesbrowser.html
[12:42] <BenZor> that has been obseleted..
[12:43] <daniels> tunesbrowser is not in apt, no
[12:43] <Amaranth> That man is a god.
[12:43] <daniels> i never packaged it for debian because it would have to go in non-free (apple mdns stuff)
[12:43] <daniels> so it'll have to go into restricted for ubuntu if/when I get to packaging it
[12:43] <thoreauputic> BenZor: apt-cache search gnome-thems maybe
[12:43] <thoreauputic> *gnome-themes
[12:43] <Amaranth> Without him and Jon Lech Johansen helping me out none of my work would be possible.
[12:43] <azeem> daniels: is mdns not an interface/protocol or something? Can't you use it with howl or os?
[12:44] <daniels> azeem: iirc he was looking at making it use howl, but he's been busy with uni exams and essays lately
[12:44] <azeem> ah, sounds promising at least :)
[12:44] <BenZ|iBook> oh, this comp is on irc too =p
[12:45] <Amaranth> daniels: You talk to him a lot?
[12:45] <mirak> there is an unresolved dependency with kcontrol
[12:45] <Amaranth> I haven't seen him since he figured out iTunes 4.5 and the channel we were talking it sort of died.
[12:45] <mirak> in universe
[12:45] <Amaranth> s/it/in/
[12:46] <daniels> Amaranth: yeah, I'm pretty good friends with him (he goes to the same uni as me)
[12:46] <Witigonen> Amaranth, thanks, I'm configuring/making now.
[12:46] <Amaranth> daniels: Tell him he needs to get his ass back online. :P
[12:46] <daniels> Amaranth: heh, he has been online (as recently as ~4h ago), but just not on that channel (#lhl?)
[12:46] <Amaranth> channel we hung out in was phpTunes
[12:47] <Amaranth> the name of my last attempt at the iTMS
[12:47] <daniels> ah
[12:47] <Amaranth> since then I've decided only a true renderer will be good enough
[12:47] <Amaranth> #phpTunes rather
[12:48] <Amaranth> whoa, xchat allows you to close the server tab and not be disconnected from the server
[12:49] <Witigonen> be back later, everyone.
[12:49] <Amaranth> daniels: Heh, everyone in that #lhl channel has been idle longer then crazney
[12:50] <daniels> heh
[12:51] <Amaranth> hmm, i wonder how much work it would be to put tunesbrowser functionality into RhythmBox
[12:51] <Amaranth> They both pretty much have the same interface.
[12:52] <Matt|> good idea cene|pappa
[12:52] <Matt|> Amaranth, yeah they do: nice idea
[12:52] <Amaranth> of course, it would probably take me less time to just duplicate RhythmBox in C# or Python :p
[12:53] <Amaranth> I'm horrible with C.
[12:53] <Matt|> i only know english
[12:54] <eim> Anyone configured a PcTel Windmodem on Ubuntu. Yesterday I had some troubles setting up such a device on kernel 2.6.8.
[12:55] <fsc> I need to update some global environment variables for all users.  where should i do that, /etc/.profile?
[12:55] <azeem> /etc/environment
[12:55] <thoreauputic> lose the dot
[12:55] <fsc> ok
[12:55] <fsc> environment or profile?
[12:57] <thoreauputic> hmmm... my /etc/environment has only LANG=en_GB
[12:57] <thoreauputic> fsc: what are you changing?
[12:58] <smo> /etc/profile is for "Bourne compatible shells" .. /etc/environment should be read by Xsession & co too
[12:58] <fsc> thoreauputic, PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[12:59] <BenZor> um, is there a codec pac for ubuntu?
[12:59] <fsc> i don't have an /etc/environment and yes I want this for Xsession too
[12:59] <Matt|> BenZor, w32codecs
[12:59] <thoreauputic> fsc: you can change PATH in /etc/profile
[12:59] <fsc> so I should create an /etc/environment then?
[12:59] <Matt|> BenZor, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[01:00] <BenZor> ok and i have nfi how to install them
[01:00] <thoreauputic> fsc: not sure of the LD_LIBRARY_PATH , sorry
[01:01] <Amaranth> LD_LIBRARY_PATH is a bash variable, so I would assume you need to put it in /etc/profile
[01:01] <thoreauputic> fsc: why not try it and see? you can comment it or delete it if it doesn't do as you expect
[01:01] <BenZor> and those are only for i386.. not fo powerpc..
[01:02] <Amaranth> BenZor: For ppc you are SOL unless an opensource plugin exists.
[01:02] <fsc> thoreauputic, well when i log into my desktop i want it for everything just not Bash shells
[01:02] <BenZor> Oh GOOD
[01:02] <Amaranth> Between RealPlayer (does it have ppc?), gstreamer, and mplayer the only things I can't play are wmv3 files.
[01:02] <BenZor> my new laptop should be here soon.
[01:02] <Matt|> lol
[01:03] <Amaranth> BenZor: I'll take the Mac. :P
[01:03] <thoreauputic> fsc: yes, but the PATH variable for instance applies to all X programs as well
[01:03] <BenZor> i wanted to play divx/xvid
[01:03] <Amaranth> Oh, those are available.
[01:03] <fsc> thoreauputic, yeah, that should work
[01:03] <Amaranth> try apt-cache search gstreamer-*
[01:03] <Matt|> BenZor, follow the guide on that website I think you will be ok
[01:03] <thoreauputic> fsc: give it a bash , as it were *grin*
[01:03] <BenZor> jeah, what am i looking for?
[01:03] <thoreauputic> fsc: sorry about the bad pun :)
[01:04] <Matt|> BenZor, last section
[01:04] <Amaranth> BenZor: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins
[01:04] <Matt|> BenZor, oh no sorry
[01:04] <Amaranth> claims to get them all, i guess its a metapackage
[01:04] <BenZor> "Not availiable, obsoleted, only available from another source"
[01:04] <BenZor> "no installation candidate"
[01:04] <Amaranth> heh
[01:04] <Amaranth> figures....
[01:04] <Matt|> BenZor, have you added universe?
[01:05] <BenZor> Matt|- how do i do that?
[01:05] <thoreauputic> fsc: to check the result just do a `source /etc/profile` (no need top restart)
[01:05] <thoreauputic> *to restart
[01:05] <Matt|> BenZor, edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:05] <Amaranth> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[01:05] <fsc> yeah
[01:05] <Amaranth> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[01:05] <Matt|> BenZor, uncomment the lines with universe in
[01:06] <BenZor> done
[01:06] <BenZor> now try again?
[01:06] <Amaranth> or maybe the ubuntu sources.list is different, i started with debian sid base install and added from there
[01:06] <Amaranth> BenZor: apt-get update first
[01:06] <Matt|> yup
[01:07] <Matt|> BenZor, or if you are using synaptic, hit refresh
[01:08] <BenZor> a whole lot of packages have unmet dependanceis
[01:09] <Matt|> oh
[01:10] <b_e_n_z> http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/software/2004/0411051105.asp?A=LIN&S=Open%20Source&O=FPT
[01:11] <b_e_n_z> what exactly is this outrage?
[01:11] <kensai> I'm so impatience to see XOrg in apt
[01:12] <bob2> it's really not that great
[01:12] <bob2> b_e_n_z: ?
[01:12] <Amaranth> the improved ati drivers are enough for me to want it
[01:12] <bob2> hm, true
[01:12] <Amaranth> i'm stuck with an ati radeon 7000 that ati doesn't want to support anymore
[01:13] <b_e_n_z> bob2: in that article, it says that someone in the debian community was outraged by unbuntu...
[01:13] <Amaranth> and large ammounts of work are being done on getting opensource drivers for the latest cards too
[01:13] <kensai> Amaranth: thats the price of owning ATI ;)
[01:13] <Amaranth> b_e_n_z: Some people in #debian didn't like it because they saw it as a fork.
[01:13] <daniels> your poor 7000 won't see much improvement, I'm afraid
[01:13] <daniels> pretty much the only thing done affecting r1xx has been mergedfb (so you can do overlays on dual-head) iirc
[01:13] <Matt|> Amaranth, me too
[01:13] <thoreauputic> b_e_n_z: also the comments about knoppix in the article are inaccurate
[01:13] <b_e_n_z> Amaranth: then what about knoppix and others?
[01:13] <bob2> kensai: nvidia is even worse
[01:13] <Matt|> daniels, my card is support now :) IGP 340M
[01:14] <bob2> kensai: no accelration at all, in fany of the free drivers
[01:14] <kensai> bob2: in what way?
[01:14] <Amaranth> daniels: bzFlag only shows every other character oh chat and such, if just that can get fixed I'll be happy.
[01:14] <Amaranth> s/oh/of/
[01:14] <kensai> bob2: I play every windows game better in Linux Nvidia has the best Linux support in a driver there is for Linux
[01:14] <thoreauputic> b_e_n_z: in fact even linspire has put stuff back into open source (nvu html editor for instance)
[01:14] <bob2> kensai: on intel
[01:15] <bob2> kensai: if you use a kernel version they support
[01:15] <bob2> kensai: for now
[01:15] <kensai> bob2: on AMD
[01:15] <bob2> kensai: amd, intel, samf diff
[01:15] <Amaranth> on x86
[01:15] <Amaranth> thats what he means
[01:15] <bob2> kensai: what happens when they stop updating it?
[01:15] <Amaranth> on ppc you are SOL
[01:15] <bob2> you'll be stick on an old crappy kernel
[01:15] <b_e_n_z> Amaranth: i was thinking more along the lines of... since ubuntu's developers were handpicked from debian, perhaps someone got upset when they were not "picked"
[01:15] <kensai> bob2: Why would they?
[01:15] <bob2> kensai: you think they will update drivers for your card forever?
[01:16] <Matt|> b_e_n_z, i didn't think that article was nasty: it looks quite complementary
[01:16] <kensai> bob2: nope just like it happens in windows
[01:16] <b_e_n_z> Matt|: yea, but i am just curious about that "outrage"
[01:16] <Amaranth> even if they did someone would make a module or something for the kernel to make it binary compatible with the last supported kernel for that driver
[01:16] <thoreauputic> Matt|: as I said, it has inaccuracies
[01:16] <Matt|> ;p
[01:16] <kensai> bob2: the current drivers are good enough to stay forever like that
[01:16] <bob2> kensai: erm, no
[01:17] <bob2> kensai: the current drivers will not work with new kernels
[01:17] <Amaranth> They don't even support all of OpenGL, afaik.
[01:17] <Amaranth> I know ATI doesn't with their drivers.
[01:17] <kensai> bob2: well they update everytime a new kernel comes out
[01:17] <Amaranth> Or didn't, at least.
[01:17] <bob2> kensai: I'm asking if you think they will do that forever
[01:17] <Amaranth> bob2: The kernel part of the driver is very small, I don't even think they need to update anything to make it run sometimes.
[01:18] <bob2> Amaranth: yes, but sometimes it breaks, like with 2.6.9
[01:18] <bob2> and it breaks on -mm every second week
[01:18] <Amaranth> Of course, once you recompile your kernel you need to reinstall the driver, which is a PITA.
[01:18] <kensai> bob2: well why wouldn't they? If they want to keep selling their cards they will?
[01:18] <Amaranth> Who uses -mm on a production machine? (not for testing/debugging)
[01:19] <b_e_n_z> Amaranth: gentoo users are usually insane, like they go for ck, love and other insane kernels
[01:19] <bob2> Amaranth: "breaks on -mm now" == "breaks in mainline next week"
[01:19] <bob2> ck is pretty sane
[01:19] <bob2> if a bit flakey
[01:20] <Amaranth> So when the Ubuntu CDs ship I'll have 10 of them show up at the place I used to live?
[01:20] <bob2> if you didn't update your address, yes
[01:20] <Amaranth> Doh, I don't have a forwarding address setup.
[01:20] <bob2> kensai: do any companies continue updating drivers for years after they've sold the hardware?
[01:20] <b_e_n_z> i think you only see ck shine if you are watching dvd, ripping dvd, compiling your 10000+ C++ code all at the same time...
[01:20] <Amaranth> ck is realtime?
[01:21] <bob2> I'm just trying to point out that "binary modules" are not the same as proper linux support in the long-term
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[01:21] <bob2> Amaranth: when did you put in your order?
[01:21] <Kyaneos> hi
[01:22] <kensai> bob2: But nvidia has one driver that is general for every card so 6800 cards driver still gives a boost to geforece 2 cards
[01:23] <Amaranth> bob2: The day they got slashdotted. :P
[01:23] <bob2> which time? ;)
[01:23] <mercurus> hmm ... is there a GUI tool capable of burning to audio tools and compatible with kernel 2.6.8-1 included with Ubuntu ?
[01:23] <mercurus> *audio formats
[01:24] <bob2> k3b is the "best", sadly
[01:24] <Amaranth> bob2: The first time.
[01:24] <Amaranth> k3b is t3h suck :p
[01:24] <hOnAbY> hi to all
[01:24] <Amaranth> cdrdao keeps dieing on me
[01:24] <mercurus> bob2: I refuse to install the majority of KDE ...
[01:24] <hOnAbY> This is my first time here in this chat room
[01:24] <mercurus> in fact, I refuse to install qt.
[01:24] <bob2> mercurus: ok.
[01:24] <mercurus> so ... cdrecord it is :)
[01:25] <bob2> mp3burn works well
[01:25] <Amaranth> ok, address updated and number of CDs switched around
[01:25] <hOnAbY> heck... its been a long time since i've chatted on an IRC channel
[01:25] <Amaranth> 5 x86, 1 ppc, and 4 amd64
[01:25] <Matt|> xcdroast does it doesn't it?
[01:25] <bob2> tho I still use my el-dodgo shell script
[01:25] <mercurus> bob2: are there any plans to rectify it ? or should I be hassling GNOME developers for nautilus ?
[01:25] <Amaranth> i'm going to hand them out at my local LUG
[01:25] <bob2> mercurus: rectify what?
[01:25] <mercurus> bob2: the absence of a graphical tool that can burn audio (not data) cds
[01:25] <Amaranth> too bad there isn't a KDE theme that makes it use GTK
[01:26] <hOnAbY> i logged in cause i need help
[01:26] <Amaranth> the only way to make everything look the same is to use KDE and the gtk-qt engine
[01:26] <hOnAbY> any body here still using a dial-up connection?
[01:26] <bob2> mercurus: rhythmbox has support, I think
[01:26] <bob2> dunno how good it is
[01:26] <Matt|> only cvs
[01:26] <bob2> hOnAbY: I was
[01:26] <Amaranth> rhythmbox doesn't have cd burning
[01:26] <bob2> Matt|: ah
[01:26] <bob2> only in cvs apparently
[01:26] <Amaranth> its trying to be an iTunes clone, but it isn't there yet
[01:26] <Amaranth> yeah
[01:26] <bob2> itunes is a poor interface to clone, anyway
[01:26] <Matt|> xcdroast does audio burning i'm pretty sure
[01:26] <bob2> imho
[01:27] <bob2> so does gcombust
[01:27] <hOnAbY> hi bob2... i just have a question on how to optimize the dial-up connection in ubuntu...
[01:27] <mercurus> yes, but these are all GTK1.2 clients ... and most rely on 2.4.x kernels ...
[01:27] <bob2> "optimize"?
[01:27] <hOnAbY> actually, i'm a newbie in linux... but ubuntu seems to be a good distro to start with
[01:27] <mercurus> the absence of SCSI emulation makes them painful
[01:27] <bob2> mercurus: rely on 2.4? how so?
[01:27] <bob2> if they refuse to take a device name, they're buggy and broken
[01:28] <mercurus> bob2: scsi-emulation ... they try and setup their own devices
[01:28] <bob2> surely nothing is still that bad?
[01:28] <hOnAbY> yes... optimize...
[01:28] <bob2> ew
[01:28] <hOnAbY> my internet connection seems to be slower than when im using windows xp
[01:28] <bob2> hOnAbY: how do you mean?
[01:28] <mercurus> I'd rather have all gtk2 apps
[01:28] <mercurus> brb
[01:29] <hOnAbY> when im using windows, my speed is at least 45kbps
[01:29] <Matt|> hOnAbY, is it a winmodem?
[01:29] <hOnAbY> but when im using ubuntu, same modem and same internet connection, i cant even complete the speed test on www.bandwidthplace.com
[01:30] <hOnAbY> i dont really know what driver ubuntu is using... ppp0... ttys0 my modem is SupraExpess 56k
[01:30] <bob2> is it internal?
[01:31] <hOnAbY> i think it is using winmodem
[01:31] <hOnAbY> bob2: nope... external
[01:31] <thoreauputic> maybe change mtu with ifconfig?
[01:32] <hOnAbY> by the way, when i installed Red Hat 9 before... the speed is ok
[01:32] <zopi> Hi
[01:33] <zopi> is it possible to make a boot floppy ?
[01:33] <bob2> mkboot
[01:34] <zopi> ok
[01:34] <zopi> can I make it when I do the installation ?
[01:34] <hOnAbY> hi thoreauputic... how do i do that?
[01:34] <zopi> with busybox ?
[01:34] <d3niz> hi
[01:34] <hOnAbY> sorry, again. im a newbie.
[01:34] <d3niz> please do U know why gimp can't save ?
[01:34] <Amaranth> hOnAbY: man ifconfig?
[01:34] <Amaranth> I'm not being mean, I really don't know if that will work.
[01:34] <thoreauputic> h0nAby, for instance sudo ifconfig ppp0 mtu 576
[01:35] <bob2> zopi: what are you trying to do?
[01:35] <Lowry> Trying to play dvd's on a g3 powerbook - what will work better with the g3  xine, mplayer, vlc or ogle?
[01:35] <bob2> d3niz: is your disk full?
[01:35] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: just changd it here as above
[01:35] <d3niz> bob2 no 2.6% in use
[01:35] <d3niz> 26
[01:36] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: was 1500, now ifconfig says 576
[01:36] <zopi>  bob2 : try have a boot floppy to rescue
[01:36] <d3niz> Saving '/home/deniz/Desktop/gimp designs/aa' failed:Unknown file type
[01:36] <hOnAbY> ok... thanks, i'll give it a try...
[01:36] <bob2> d3niz: give it an extension
[01:36] <bob2> d3niz: aa.png or whatever
[01:37] <Amaranth> d3niz: Or choose a type from the dropdown list on the save dialog.
[01:37] <d3niz> beb2 thanks i forgot it this simple thing:S
[01:37] <hOnAbY> by the way, did you guys know that the Modem add on on the GNOME toolbar doesnt work when you use the Connect and Disconnect button?
[01:37] <d3niz> thanks :)
[01:38] <d3niz> I must goo now see U
[01:40] <hOnAbY> hi... just a followup question...
[01:40] <bob2> did that help?
[01:41] <hOnAbY> will the ifconfig mtu setting apply imediately... or do i have to disconnect and reconnect?
[01:41] <bob2> it will take effect immediately
[01:41] <bob2> if it has any effect at all
[01:42] <hOnAbY> ok... let me try the bandwidthplace again...
[01:44] <nefertati> i tryed to connect to internet with wvdial and says black listing what thsi means?
[01:45] <Amaranth> Hey, wtf, gmail is putting things on top of my scrollbar!
[01:45] <Amaranth> nefertati: Dunno, I waited until I got DSL to use linux, too many hassles with dialup.
[01:46] <bob2> diealup is easy
[01:46] <bob2> pppconfing.
[01:46] <bob2> pon
[01:46] <bob2> enjoy.
[01:46] <thoreauputic> bob2: she tried that - couldn't connect for some reason
[01:46] <nefertati> why? amaranth?
[01:47] <hOnAbY> now this is really a stupid question... but i'll ask anyway, what does the MTU does? what is the typical values that u guys use to assign your MTU? i know, windows optimizers uses that to speed up the internet connection... but what is it for?
[01:47] <bob2> oh, right
[01:47] <bob2> hOnAbY: it's t he "maximum transfer unit"
[01:47] <Amaranth> nefertati: My last expierence before DSL with Linux was trying to get a winmodem to work, it never once dialed.
[01:47] <Amaranth> Of course, these were the days of Redhat 5.0 being the latest and greatest distro.
[01:47] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: this isn't a winmodem though
[01:47] <bob2> it determines what size the "blocks" are that linux sends to your isp
[01:48] <nefertati> amaranth i dont have win modem. my modem dials but sometimes when i dila it says no dial tone or no carrier. i have to type alot of time wvdial to get connected .
[01:48] <Amaranth> nefertati: No idea, sorry.
[01:48] <hOnAbY> im from the philippines Amaranth... and yes I agree with your sentiment, but DSL is very expensive here in our country
[01:49] <bob2> thoreauputic: did pon/poff work better?
[01:49] <hOnAbY> ...and i think that having a slow internet connection should not be a hindrance to use Linux
[01:49] <nefertati> obo2 pon dotn work at all
[01:49] <bob2> ah
[01:49] <nefertati> bob2 dont work at all
[01:49] <Amaranth> hOnAbY: Compared to Japan and South Korea it's very expensive in the US too, but I know what you mean. :)
[01:49] <Amaranth> I'd almost be willing to move to japan just for the cheap 100mbps access.
[01:49] <thoreauputic> bob2: It's all a bit of a mystery
[01:49] <Amaranth> Imagine how much 'stuff' you could pull down a day on that. :D
[01:50] <nefertati> lol amaranth
[01:50] <thoreauputic> bob2: she discovered wvdial herself, I think after pppconfig failed
[01:50] <bob2> ah, cool
[01:50] <thoreauputic> bob2: she's a trier :)
[01:51] <bob2> hehe
[01:51] <thoreauputic> *tryer
[01:51] <Gmail> Amaranth: what am i doing?
[01:51] <zopi> bob2 : thanks
[01:51] <hOnAbY> lol
[01:51] <Amaranth> Gmail: hehe, the website
[01:51] <bob2> Gmail: change your nick
[01:51] <bob2> being named after a webmail service is annoying and silly
[01:51] <hOnAbY> well... i guess, the mtu settings did not do me any good...
[01:51] <nefertati> bob2 i managed to conenct with wvdial. but i have to type wvdial many times to manage to get connected because it says all the time no dial tone and no carrier.then it says black listing.
[01:52] <Amaranth> ooh, bob2 can enforce that too, watch out
[01:52] <hOnAbY> the test result still failed... The test key was not accepted
[01:52] <hOnAbY> test timeout
[01:52] <bob2> Amaranth: no
[01:52] <hOnAbY> by the way, what was the default mtu settings? i just want to put it back
[01:52] <Amaranth> bob2: Well, you can't make him change his nick but you can make him leave if he doesn't.
[01:52] <thoreauputic> hOnAbY: but what download speeds are you getting with, say, apt-get update or something ?
[01:52] <bob2> Amaranth: that's really never going to happen
[01:52] <Amaranth> Unless access 20 isn't op in this channel.
[01:53] <bob2> hOnAbY: 1500
[01:53] <Gmail> bob2: change your nick
[01:53] <bob2> Gmail: no
[01:53] <Gmail> bob2: no
[01:53] <niroht> so with the binary ati drivers.. how do you export to the tv?
[01:53] <Amaranth> Gmail: You work for Google in AUS?
[01:53] <bob2> Amaranth: no, he does not
[01:53] <Gmail> Amaranth: Yes****
[01:54] <bob2> Gmail: my nick is a) unique, b) not named after a website, b) not confusing, c) not annoying, d) not designed to avoid bans
[01:54] <bob2> Gmail: please stop lying
[01:54] <hOnAbY> i just use the network-admin on the ubuntu computer/system configuration menu
[01:54] <hOnAbY> ...to connect
[01:54] <hOnAbY> but i fount out that it uses wvdial too
[01:54] <hOnAbY> since it saves the settings on the wvdial.conf
[01:54] <Matt|> it's not much of a ban if he can just change his nick to avoid it :)
[01:55] <bob2> it wasn't in here, and he used host cloaks to evade it, too
[01:55] <Gmail> bob2: i am only banned from a few channels and they are #debian* and #cpgnuke my nick doesn't avid any of there bans
[01:55] <Matt|> oh i c
[01:55] <Gmail> Matt|: cloacks don't avid bans its called changing isps
[01:56] <bob2> Gmail: it's still pointlessly confusing, since you have nothing to do with Google
[01:56] <hOnAbY> hmmm... guys... did any of you noticed my question about the default MTU settings?
[01:56] <Amaranth> I didn't know you could get a cloak set as a user of something.
[01:56] <bob2> hOnAbY: I answered, 1500, probably
[01:56] <Gmail> bob2: yes i do my uncul is friends with the CEO
[01:56] <bob2> Amaranth: projects can get project-specific cloak
[01:57] <bob2> Gmail: even if that is true, *you* still have nothing to do with google
[01:57] <hOnAbY> bob2: oh... sorry, didn't notice... thanks a lot for your help guys
[01:57] <BenZ|iBook> guys you made my laptop run so much better, thanks heaps =D
[01:57] <Amaranth> bob2: Yeah, I had an osi hosting one. But I thought you could only get them if you were a dev.
[01:57] <niroht> no ati export->tv thoughts?
[01:57] <bob2> hOnAbY: sorry we couldn't find a complete answer for you
[01:57] <hOnAbY> no problem...
[01:57] <spektr> I just installed warty and upgraded nv to the proprietary nvidia 6111 driver. It works, but now my system freezes after few minutes. Nvidia released driver version 6629 two days ago. Will it ever enter warty-restricted? Or what is the best way to upgrade to this version?
[01:58] <bob2> spektr: no, it won't, but it will presumably go into hoary soon
[01:58] <bob2> niroht: #ati might be a better place to try
[01:58] <hOnAbY> i guess, the problem really is I need a to have a faster internet connection.. eg. DSL or CABLE
[01:58] <niroht> ok
[01:58] <bob2> hOnAbY: do things like apt or wget work at the speed you expect?
[01:58] <spektr> bob2: But hoary will be released in april - that's a long time...
[01:59] <bob2> spektr: yes
[01:59] <bob2> spektr: if you want to help debug hoary, you can use it now
[01:59] <hOnAbY> nope... thats why i wanted to speed up my connection... i want to update the packages
[01:59] <the> hi
[01:59] <bob2> but randomly updating packages in stable defeats the point of freezing
[01:59] <hOnAbY> my current synaptic listings says i need to download 33MB worth of packages
[02:00] <hOnAbY> and i cant leave my internet connection open since i only have one phone line, and i usually get emergency calls from the office
[02:00] <spektr> bob2: Err... I tried warty because I was too lazy to debug sarge. ;-)
[02:00] <bob2> hOnAbY: can you do it overnight or something?
[02:00] <the_one> hi again
[02:00] <bob2> hOnAbY: you can still order an ubuntu cd if you like
[02:02] <hOnAbY> bob2: i guess i can... and im planning to do it tonight... im just worried that it will take more than the whole evening.
[02:02] <hOnAbY> bob2: 500kb download takes about 1 hour to complete
[02:02] <hOnAbY> sorry im exagerrating... 500kb took about 30 minutes
[02:02] <bob2> wow, that is very slow
[02:02] <the_one> I need some help with reconfiguring my fstab, somehow after I installed k3b while trying to set permissions for cdrecord and cdrdao I messed up my ubuntu so much that I couldn't logon anymore, now I reinstalled, and I'm not sure what I'm doing in fstab, just can't seem to get my ntfs partitions to show up
[02:03] <Amaranth> Isn't the Ubuntu installer the exact same as the Sarge one?
[02:03] <hOnAbY> bob2: yup... that what I meant when i say i need to optimize my modem connection
[02:03] <bob2> Amaranth: no
[02:03] <Gmail> Amaranth: no
[02:03] <the_one> what is the command for unmount?
[02:03] <polytan> salut
[02:03] <bob2> the_one: /dev/whatever /mnt/whataver ntfs umask=002 0 0
[02:04] <bob2> the_one: umount
[02:04] <the_one> ok
[02:04] <hOnAbY> its soooo slooow
[02:04] <Gmail> Amaranth: the boths use d-i but are set up in diffrent ways
[02:04] <the_one> what is the logical drive's ID? hda5?
[02:04] <hOnAbY> when i used Red Hat 9 the speed was ok... almost the same as the speed im getting when im on windows
[02:04] <bob2> the_one: you'd have to find out for yourself
[02:04] <bob2> the_one: "fdisk -l /dev/hda" will help
[02:04] <bob2> hOnAbY: please file a bug
[02:05] <Gmail> hOnAbY: red hat makes linux slower than winbloat 0_0 0_0
[02:05] <hOnAbY> thats why i was asking you guys... cause it might have something to do with either Debian or Ubuntu's default settings
[02:05] <the_one> bob2: thanks for the suggestion, will try them right now
[02:06] <daniels> Gmail: dude, enough with the red hat/OMG M$ bashing please
[02:06] <hOnAbY> Gmail: i know... it was really a bad choice for a newbie like me
[02:07] <hOnAbY> bob2: yup i will file a bug report. I just wanted to make sure that it is really a problem u know.
[02:07] <mirak> how to obtain broken packets with synaptic ?
[02:07] <bob2> hOnAbY: cool, thanks a lot :)
[02:07] <bob2> mirak: you mean fix?
[02:07] <Gmail> hOnAbY: yea more n00bs need to know that
[02:08] <Gmail> daniels: i am saying facts based on what other people are saying
[02:08] <the_one> bob2: is there any way to get write access on the ntfs partition?
[02:08] <bob2> Gmail: please stop it
[02:08] <mirak> bob2: I manage to do it with apt but not with synaptic
[02:08] <bob2> the_one: no
[02:08] <mirak> bob2: there is a problem with kcontrol
[02:08] <bob2> the_one: well, yes, called "captive ntfs"
[02:08] <mirak> it won't install
[02:08] <the_one> is it easy to set up?
[02:09] <bob2> the_one: but it's a naaaaasty hack, and if it breaks you get to keep both pieces
[02:09] <hOnAbY> but aside from the bad internet connection... i really like UBUNTU!!!
[02:09] <bob2> it apparently works pretty well, which is disturbing
[02:09] <bob2> I don't know
[02:09] <bob2> mirak: I don't know, I don't use any kde stuff
[02:09] <the_one> bob2: could it hurt the data on the ntfs partition?
[02:09] <daniels> Gmail: 'red hat makes linux slower than winbloat'
[02:09] <hOnAbY> ok, again thanks for all your help guys! specially bob2, thoreauputic and Amaranth
[02:09] <mirak> bob2: I can't find a descente gnome mp3 player
[02:09] <bob2> the_one: they claim not
[02:09] <daniels> Gmail: just ease up on the red hat/microsoft bashing, yeah?
[02:10] <bob2> the_one: it works by loading the windows ntfs driver into the linux kernel
[02:10] <thoreauputic> hOnAbY: you're welcome :)
[02:10] <the_one> bob2: who is they?
[02:10] <bob2> the_one: so I'd say it's more likely to explode and crash the machine than actually damage data.
[02:10] <bob2> the_one: the author, I guess
[02:10] <bob2> I've only heard of it, never used it
[02:10] <bob2> mirak: I use cplay...rhythmbox is a bit crashy, but not too bad
[02:10] <the_one> I guess I have to google for it
[02:11] <mirak> bob2: rythmbox won't load half my mp3
[02:11] <Amaranth> btw, pigeon looks nice for cd burning software
[02:11] <bob2> the_one: yeah
[02:11] <bob2> mirak: ouch
[02:11] <bob2> mirak: do you have any .jpg files in your music directory?
[02:11] <bob2> weirdly, that causes problems for some people
[02:12] <Amaranth> only problems i've ever had with rhythmbox have actually been gstreamer issues
[02:12] <Amaranth> like the time i accidently wiped out my home dir and had to redo everything :/
[02:13] <hOnAbY> by the way, is there an xmms skin to match the Human theme?
[02:14] <mirak> bob2: I guess yees
[02:15] <hOnAbY> ooops... dont answer that, i already found one... just wish me luck on the download speed... hehehe... :D
[02:15] <hOnAbY> see you all guys... thanks for the help again
[02:15] <hOnAbY> bye
[02:15] <bob2> hOnAbY: don't think so
[02:15] <mirak> Amaranth: recently I add luck about that
[02:15] <mirak> Amaranth: I did rm -fr * sometinhg/*
[02:15] <mirak> Amaranth: in my homedir
[02:16] <mirak> and I was able to cancel before it destroyed important folders
[02:17] <shank_> bob2, ubuntu still goes smoothly here :-)
[02:17] <bob2> hah, cool
[02:18] <shank_> mirak, did you get your sounds issues figured out?
[02:18] <mirak> shank_: yes
[02:19] <shank_> mirak, what was the problem?
[02:19] <mirak> shank_: OSS and alsa where both loaded
[02:19] <shank_> mmm? specifically the emu10k1 drivers for oss and alsa?
[02:19] <mirak> shank_: removing the OSS module was a pain. There was even circular dependency between modules or something
[02:19] <mirak> shank_: for oss
[02:19] <mirak> shank_: snd_emu10k1 is for alsa
[02:19] <shank_> mirak, sounds awful
[02:20] <shank_> mirak, i know :-)
[02:20] <mirak> I didn't :)
[02:20] <shank_> mirak,hehe
[02:20] <shank_> all snd_* stuff is for alsa
[02:20] <shank_> mirak, how did the emu10k1 OSS drivers get installed?
[02:20] <mirak> so my forst move was to force the load of emuk10k1 in /etc/modules
[02:20] <mirak> shank_: I think I installed soma package that installed the module in the libs
[02:20] <Treenaks> shank_: you don't want them, the ALSA drivers are better, and OSS isn't really much supported
[02:21] <mirak> then hotplug or the kernel choosed this one first
[02:21] <bob2> that is very very odd
[02:21] <bob2> I have a emu10k1, and I only have alsa loaded
[02:21] <shank_> Treenaks, i know, but thanks for the info
[02:21] <bob2> Treenaks: the oss emu10k1 driver is pretty pimp compared to the alsa one
[02:21] <mirak> the management of modules is really crappy in linux kernel
[02:21] <shank_> Treenaks, have some experience with sound stuff
[02:21] <citybird> how is wireless under ubuntu?
[02:21] <bob2> Treenaks: and it supports multi-opening, so dmix etc doesn't help
[02:21] <bob2> mirak: it's not the kernels fault
[02:21] <mirak> the kernel just choose the first he find
[02:22] <bob2> mirak: no, hotplug does
[02:22] <Treenaks> bob2: the ALSA api is just that bit nicer for the things the 10k1 can do
[02:22] <mirak> for the hardware
[02:22] <citybird> and does it support reiser4 yet?
[02:22] <Lowry> night all
[02:22] <bob2> mirak: if you blacklist emu10k1, it shouldn't be loaded
[02:22] <shank_> mirak, ah
[02:22] <bob2> citybird: wireless is excellent for supported cards
[02:22] <mirak> bob2: it's blacklisted
[02:22] <bob2> citybird: hahahaha
[02:22] <bob2> citybird: reiser4 isn't even in linus's kernel yet
[02:22] <spektr> How do I access the parts of a gnome window that is larger than the screen (vertically). I can grab it using the alt-key, but I can't move the top side outside the screen. (I'm a long time KDE user & gnome n00b....)
[02:23] <mirak> bob2: I had problems on a macintosh, the load of some module was inverting the drives, so I was obliged to rebuild kernel without some modules, or something
[02:23] <citybird> bob2: can i use it after a custom kernel compile? it's in the mm sources
[02:23] <bob2> citybird: sure...
[02:23] <bob2> citybird: just out of curiousty, do you use gentoo?
[02:23] <bob2> mirak: that is very very weird, please file a bug :)
[02:23] <citybird> bob2: yea, but the wireless support sucks right now.
[02:24] <mirak> spektr: unrezisable windows are really a huge crap. I encountered this problem in kde many times
[02:24] <citybird> bob2: and i want to play with gnome2.8
[02:24] <Amaranth> citybird: To use a lot of cards you have to use that program that runs a Windows driver.
[02:24] <Amaranth> I think it's called Project Evil
[02:24] <shank_> people who file bug reports ++
[02:25] <Treenaks> Amaranth: ndiswrapper
[02:25] <mirak> bob2: I think they know. In fact on debian ppc, the dist-upgrade doesn't touch the kernel configuration at all. You really can end easily with a system that won't bout at all
[02:25] <Amaranth> oh
[02:25] <Amaranth> Project Evil must have been a nickname
[02:25] <bob2> Amaranth: there's reasonably few cards that need it nowadays
[02:25] <citybird> bob2: i have a netgear wg511, support built into the kernel
[02:25] <bob2> mirak: hm, that is true
[02:25] <Treenaks> Amaranth: project evil is for freebsd, according to google
[02:25] <Amaranth> ah
[02:25] <bob2> mirak: but if you're not sure that it's a known issue (the first thing), please file a bug
[02:25] <cardador> coaster 0.1 is out. anyone was able to install it?
[02:26] <citybird> if ubuntu doesn't work i am going to go out and buy another card.
[02:26] <bob2> citybird: is htat a prism card?
[02:26] <bob2> or prism54?
[02:26] <citybird> right
[02:26] <bob2> ubuntu supports both
[02:26] <bob2> so it shouldwork
[02:27] <citybird> i hope so. ill let you know after it's installed
[02:27] <spektr> mirak: thanks for the word "resize" - I realized that I can resize the window using the window-menu.
[02:28] <mirak> anyone know how I can keep my mozilla thunderbird settings from the other distro I was using
[02:28] <mirak> I don't know why they are doing this crap thing in mozilla
[02:30] <atomic0x> can anybody help me figure out an initrd problem?
[02:30] <bob2> mirak: you should be able to just copy them
[02:31] <mirak> bob2: where ?
[02:31] <mirak> I use the same home folder
[02:31] <bob2> is the same version of thunderbird?
[02:31] <atomic0x> I used mkinitrd to build a new one for 2.6.10-rc1 and when I boot i get the following messages:
[02:33] <atomic0x> http://www.pastebin.com/117618
[02:33] <dargo> hi
[02:34] <mirak> bob2: yes
[02:34] <mirak> bob2: I already had this problem with thunderbird
[02:35] <Jeffrey> atomic, looks like you don't have the right filesystem modules in your initrd.  You could just cheat and compile them into the kernel instead of as modules.
[02:35] <dargo> i have a problem with grub , i can't boot windowsXP
[02:36] <cardador> dargo: what happens exactly?
[02:36] <Jeffrey> why is that a problem ....
[02:37] <citybird> heh, some people need the security of a dual boot solution Jeffrey. the are not really ready to let go yet.
[02:37] <dargo> when I select windows for boot the console not reponse
[02:37] <dargo> my idea is uninstall grub and install lilo
[02:37] <cardador> dargo: no
[02:38] <dargo> no?
[02:38] <cardador> dargo: try this - go to your pc bios and change the hard disk geometry from AUTO to LBA
[02:38] <eim> Is GNOME revelation not available in universe? It's a GNOME based password manager, very useful.
[02:38] <mjr> a newer driver might fix that need
[02:39] <dargo> where is that?
[02:39] <cardador> dargo: reboot your pc and press DEL (normally its like this)
[02:39] <dargo> ok
[02:39] <atomic0x> Jeffrey:  I mounted the initrd and checked it out.  I've got ext3 which is what my root partition is.  Do I need cramfs as well?  I think that's what the initrd image is
[02:39] <dargo> thanks I'm goint to prove
[02:40] <dargo> one moment :P
[02:40] <cardador> dargo: good luck
[02:40] <Todd_MA_1975> eim: revelation is in universe.  I have it installed & working
[02:40] <jorisK> hello everyone, is there anyone that can recommend me an cd-r record program that allows me to record audio cd's? The built-in in Ubuntu only writes files...
[02:40] <Jeffrey> atomic, is the initrd specified correcly in grub?
[02:40] <cardador> jorisK: k3b
[02:41] <Amaranth> jorisK: I've never used it but Pigeon CD Recorder looks very nice.
[02:41] <atomic0x> Jeffrey: yeah the image name is specified correctly using grubs initrd parameter
[02:41] <citybird> ubuntu only makes 2 partitions?????
[02:41] <Amaranth> jorisK: And it's meant for GNOME, unlike k3b.
[02:41] <bob2> citybird: by default
[02:41] <Amaranth> citybird: sarge only makes 3
[02:41] <bob2> citybird: why do you want more?
[02:41] <citybird> hurm
[02:42] <Amaranth> I can understand having /boot seperate/
[02:42] <bob2> citybird: if tou want more, make them
[02:42] <Jeffrey> atomic0x: *shrug* not much to go on.
[02:42] <citybird> i will :-)
[02:42] <Amaranth> That way it can't be messed with unless you mount it.
[02:42] <citybird> i know. that's why i make it seperate
[02:42] <Todd_MA_1975> eim: OK - maybe revelation is only in Hoary universe.  I don't see it on my warty box.
[02:42] <Jeffrey> having home seperate is a good idea too
[02:42] <atomic0x> Jeffrey: thanks for your help anyways.
[02:42] <bob2>  seperate /boot is kinda pointless
[02:42] <zenwhen> indeed
[02:43] <Amaranth> bob2: How so?
[02:43] <Matt|> my cdburner is not detected by xcdroast!!! does anyone know what I can do?
[02:43] <eim> Todd_MA_1975: What about gpass?
[02:43] <zenwhen> in fact there is NO good reason to have a seperate /boot
[02:43] <Amaranth> Matt|: Use another cd burner.
[02:43] <bob2> Matt|: use a less buggy program
[02:43] <atomic0x> matt: ide-scsi=hdx
[02:43] <bob2> Amaranth: lilo and grub can boot anywhere on modern disks
[02:43] <Matt|> atomic0x, where do i put that?
[02:43] <Amaranth> xcdroast was meant for 2.4.x kernels
[02:43] <Jeffrey> speaking of universes, is there a list of all the ubuntu debian servers somewhere?
[02:43] <zenwhen> its not like your kernel is going to explode and catch your data on fire
[02:43] <thoreauputic> atomic0x: not in 2.6.* kernels
[02:43] <Matt|> Amaranth, bob2, i like xcdroast :)
[02:43] <bob2> Amaranth: so there's no need to have a partition close to the front
[02:43] <bob2> Jeffrey: you mean ubuntu mirrors?
[02:44] <Jeffrey> zenwhen: if you're running multiple distros having a seperate boot helps
[02:44] <Jeffrey> bob2: yes
[02:44] <zenwhen> How so?
[02:44] <Jeffrey> sorry, just started playing with ubuntu last night
[02:44] <legba> you don't have to worry about the MBR
[02:44] <atomic0x> Matt: add ide-scsi=/dev/hd(whatever) to your kernel's boot parameters.  make sure scsi emuluation and scsi cdrom is enabled in your kernel
[02:44] <Matt|> thoreauputic, Amaranth, i have used xcdroast happily with the 2.6.8.1 kernel in the past
[02:44] <Amaranth> Can they all use the same kernel?
[02:44] <Matt|> atomic0x, thanks
[02:44] <zenwhen> I have lilo installed in my MBR and just poot my kernels for ubuntu in the /booyt for my slackware install
[02:44] <Jeffrey> zenwhen: you can put all of your kernels on one boot partition and not have them mounted
[02:44] <zenwhen> put*
[02:44] <bob2> Jeffrey: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
[02:45] <Jeffrey> so when your autoupdate screws with your boot, you can copy stuff from the local /boot to your real boot partition
[02:45] <thoreauputic> Matt|: yeas - I meant ide-scsi=hdx is not used for 2.6 kernels
[02:45] <zenwhen> If auto update screws my boot, I just fix it.
[02:45] <Matt|> thoreauputic, but, "enable scsi-emulation" is an option under the ubuntu boot-admin program??
[02:45] <zenwhen> I dont need to cut off a chunk of my hard drive to do that.
[02:45] <bob2> no
[02:45] <zenwhen> lol
[02:46] <bob2> Matt|: enabling scsi-emulation has other consequences
[02:46] <Todd_MA_1975> eim: not in Warty or Hoary...Only thing I see in Warty is fpm
[02:46] <Jeffrey> zenwhen: the 100 mb out of my 60 gb harddrive is a small sacrifice
[02:46] <Matt|> bob2, ah i c
[02:46] <bob2> Matt|: I'd strongly recommend using a better program that doesn't have this bug
[02:46] <thoreauputic> Matt|: *shrug* I only know what I read about scsi emulation being deprecated in 2.6.*
[02:46] <bob2> one of the consequences is that it might not work at all
[02:46] <zenwhen> Jeffrey, im not willing to sacrifice anything for somehting that grant ms no concievable gain. Im not saying you shouldnt. Im saying I see no reason.
[02:46] <bob2> since no one is maintaining the 2.6 ide-scsi stuff
[02:47] <Matt|> bob2, I can try other programs. But at the same time, I know that I have used xcdroast happily on this PC with the same kernel on another distro
[02:47] <zenwhen> lol
[02:47] <Matt|> bob2, maybe there is another solution
[02:47] <bob2> Matt|: well, I would assume it's possible to configure xcdroast to use an ide device
[02:47] <zenwhen> I cannot type this morning.
[02:48] <Matt|> bob2, ok i have been able to manually add the drive :)
[02:48] <Matt|> bob2, how are you today btw/
[02:48] <bob2> ah, cool
[02:48] <Matt|> ?
[02:48] <citybird> under the partitioning tool where is the option to make a partition swap???
[02:48] <Jeffrey> bob2: those are the isos, what about repositories for more software?  There seems to be a lot missing
[02:48] <bob2> Matt|: I'm good thanks, ho'ws life?
[02:48] <Matt|> bob2, fine :)
[02:49] <bob2> Jeffrey: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive
[02:49] <zenwhen> Jeffrey, you coulc always add the debian unstable repos
[02:49] <zenwhen> :)
[02:49] <Jeffrey> thanks
[02:49] <zenwhen> could*
[02:49] <eim> Todd_MA_1975: And gringotts.
[02:49] <Jeffrey> zenwhen, then I'd have to ask where those are.  So far I've only been using redhat and gentoo.
[02:49] <zenwhen> Eventually I'll be running Debian unstable if I keep installing packages from it though.
[02:49] <Jeffrey> I love gentoo, but I am looking into Ubuntu to install for my parents.
[02:50] <Matt|> Jeffrey, good on ya
[02:50] <bob2> zenwhen: please don't advise people to do that
[02:50] <mirak> anyone know how to import a thunderbird profile from a new install ?
[02:50] <zenwhen> bob2, oh. Well the Ubuntu repos are severely lacking.
[02:50] <atomic0x> Jeffrey I used to use gentoo all the time, but I switched about a month ago and haven't looked back since
[02:50] <thoreauputic> Jeffrey: less /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:51] <zenwhen> Once I can install the software I need form them, I'll install hoary and use them.
[02:51] <zenwhen> from*
[02:51] <bob2> zenwhen: in what sense?
[02:51] <zenwhen> Outdated software and far less choice.
[02:51] <bob2> "outdated"?!?!
[02:51] <bob2> universe froze in june
[02:51] <legba> lol
[02:52] <zenwhen> I saw quite a few packages
[02:52] <zenwhen> that were older than what was in unstable
[02:52] <bob2> yes
[02:52] <bob2> shockingly
[02:52] <legba> openssh...
[02:52] <citybird> nm, found it
[02:52] <zenwhen> Not acceptable for me. Im not saying everyone should.
[02:52] <Jeffrey> whats the difference then between universe and multiverse?
[02:52] <zenwhen> Ubuntu is great.
[02:52] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: How awful! How old ! June?
[02:52] <legba> ubuntu is incredible.
[02:52] <[Miles] > hi
[02:52] <bob2> Jeffrey: universe is free software, multiverse may not be
[02:53] <zenwhen> Im not knocking ubuntu at all. Im just saying I cant run outdate software. It makes me feel dirty.
[02:53] <zenwhen> outdated*
[02:53] <citybird> i will pass jugement as soon as it's installed. so far the partitioning tool is very simple. (only lacking the option for reiser4 ;-)
[02:53] <[Miles] > ubuntu does not detect my isa sound blaster card, any url to get help?
[02:53] <bob2> well, that's a personal issue, I guess
[02:53] <zenwhen> lol.
[02:53] <bob2> [Miles] : try asking on the list
[02:53] <zenwhen> Ubuntu doesnt seem to have any ssues having a little Debian tossed in.
[02:54] <zenwhen> Im not going to ask anyone to support it.
[02:54] <zenwhen> lol
[02:54] <bob2> good
[02:54] <bob2> and please don't advise random people to do that, unless you warn them that they're on their own
[02:54] <[Miles] > bob2: on the ,ailing list?
[02:54] <citybird> the install disk did not detect my pcmcia network card. something that should be ok after the install is complete?
[02:54] <[Miles] > mailing
[02:54] <bob2> citybird: it should have
[02:54] <zenwhen> I dont need support. Theres nothing a reinstall wont fix.
[02:54] <zenwhen> XD
[02:54] <bob2> [Miles] : lists.ubunut.com
[02:54] <[Miles] > thanks
[02:54] <Jeffrey> thoreauputic, thanks.  I was trying to do stuff graphically (to make sure my parents could use it), didn't think to check the file.  duh.
[02:55] <bob2> zenwhen: yes, you can do whatever you want, but please don't advise newbies to do so
[02:55] <citybird> bob2: i guess it thinks my dhcp server is slow.
[02:55] <bob2> Jeffrey: synaptic has options for editing the sources.list
[02:55] <zenwhen> bob2, understood.
[02:55] <zenwhen> :)
[02:55] <bob2> thanks :-)
[02:55] <citybird> holy! i just saw it install the reiser4 progs??
[02:56] <Jeffrey> bob2: for editing it yes, but it doesn't have nicely commented out available respositories
[02:56] <citybird> time to google >-)
[02:56] <legba> ubuntu just killed my ssh dsa key...
[02:56] <bob2> how?
[02:57] <legba> you tell me lmao
[02:57] <bob2> the one in /etc/ will be nuked by install, and nothing should touch ~/
[02:57] <legba> the later is gone
[02:57] <bob2> did you ask ubuntu to format ~??
[02:57] <legba> and it's all the way in the other room
[02:57] <legba> lol
[02:57] <legba> nope
[02:57] <legba> i installed full gnome desktop
[02:57] <legba> then restart x
[02:58] <legba> and bam - no ssh no vnc
[02:58] <bob2> are you guys really "laughing out loud"?
[02:58] <labanux> hi..., is there some one can help me
[02:58] <Jeffrey> my girlfriend: "your hair looks like that one guys ... bruce presley"
[02:58] <legba> i am :)
[02:58] <legba> cause i'm testing this distro
[02:58] <labanux> i have an error message when booting the ubuntu
[02:58] <Jeffrey> next question, .OGM and .MKV support in xine/totem?
[02:58] <labanux> the error message are telling about : shpchp and pcichp
[02:58] <Treenaks> Jeffrey: depends on the codec used inside
[02:59] <labanux> what's wrong in my ubuntu?
[02:59] <Jeffrey> Treenaks, assuming xvid
[02:59] <Treenaks> Jeffrey: not by default, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:59] <bob2> labanux: ignore them
[02:59] <bob2> labanux: they're harmless
[03:00] <Matt|> "the ubuntu"
[03:00] <Matt|> awesome
[03:00] <labanux> my friend said that the error message about shpchp and pcichp is for controlling hte usb..
[03:00] <Treenaks> Matt|: ?
[03:00] <labanux> is taht true?
[03:00] <Treenaks> labanux: no, they're PCI hotplug drivers
[03:00] <Treenaks> labanux: and as most systems don't have PCI hotplugging support (only extremely expensive servers, basically)...
[03:00] <bob2> labanux: you can add them to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to stop the warnings
[03:01] <Matt|> Treenaks, adding "the" to ubuntu gives it a kinda personal sounding flavour that i like
[03:01] <Treenaks> labanux: you can get info on what a module does with modinfo
[03:01] <Treenaks> labanux: (modinfo shpchp for example)
[03:01] <mjr> hmm, RestrictedFormats might be updated to include the mention of libxvidcore4 being in multiverse
[03:01] <labanux> wait a minute.., i'll try to edit /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[03:01] <Matt|> mjr, good idea, do it
[03:02] <legba> bob2 this is gunna be a good bug report.
[03:02] <mjr> don't know how :)
[03:02] <Treenaks> mjr: it's a wiki, log in and click the 'Edit' link
[03:02] <legba> lemme get over there and startup bitchx
[03:02] <Matt|> mjr, register and use edit
[03:02] <mjr> right, well, maybe later, now my lunch is burning in the kettle
[03:03] <Matt|> *laughs*
[03:03] <Matt|> what are you cooking in a kettle?
[03:03] <labanux> i have try this "modinfo shpchp", and this "modinfo pciehp", and it seems you're right
[03:03] <labanux> it says about the PCI hotplug..
[03:03] <labanux> hmm...
[03:03] <labanux> wait a minute.., i'll try to edit /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[03:04] <amin2> hi
[03:05] <amin2> it is claimed that ubuntu is glued with python. How is it ? Anybody can explaine to me ?
[03:05] <Kyaneos> hi
[03:05] <Kyaneos> where is the apt log file???
[03:05] <bob2> amin2: it's not, yet
[03:05] <Matt|> hi. who knows what is going on with acpi on ubuntu?
[03:06] <Matt|> my screen blacks out when I lower the lid
[03:06] <nevyn> amin2: it is. they use python for lots of scripts like postinst and stuff.
[03:06] <Elwood> interesting
[03:06] <nevyn> amin2: and some late init scripts and stuff.
[03:06] <Jeffrey> Matt|, if I do force=acpi it won't boot :-(
[03:06] <Matt|> Jeffrey, acpi sucks on ubuntu
[03:06] <Kyaneos> where is the apt log file??? please
[03:06] <mjr> Matt|, lentil/quinoa/onion/broccoli-stuff for burritos
[03:06] <Matt|> i can't tell my battery state
[03:06] <citybird> well, well, well, it looks like the dreded thinkpad warm boot poltergeist has struk again.
[03:07] <Matt|> mjr, wow awesome
[03:07] <amin2> Well, I think it is like JDS and Java
[03:07] <Matt|> i have removed all the scripts in /etc/acpi which have "lid" in the name, and it still blanks when i lower the lid
[03:07] <thoreauputic> Kyaneos: what are you trying to do or find out?
[03:08] <Matt|> and a guy on here yesterday had his laptop crash whenever he lowered the lid, even after just booting the kernel
[03:08] <labanux> somebody..., could you tell me, where should i edit the /etc/hotplug/blacklist to ignore the shpchp?
[03:08] <citybird> does ubuntu support bootsplash and framebuffer at boot?
[03:08] <bob2> labanux: just add the module name at the end
[03:08] <bob2> citybird: no
[03:08] <labanux> ok.., thanx
[03:08] <Matt|> citybird, framebuffer is there, not bootsplash
[03:08] <bob2> citybird: it's buggy and pointless.  hoary will have a better userspace solution.
[03:08] <citybird> right, thanks
[03:08] <Kyaneos> thoreauputic, i want to remind what packages i installed with apt-get install gdesklets
[03:08] <amin2> Matt|, my battery'state says N/A too
[03:08] <citybird> err, how do you enable root??
[03:09] <Matt|> amin2, try typing acpi in a terminal and see if it works
[03:09] <bob2> citybird: why?
[03:09] <Matt|> amin2, if you use acpi
[03:09] <bob2> citybird: and "it's in the FAQ"
[03:09] <citybird> k
[03:09] <Matt|> *laughs*
[03:09] <Matt|> "it's in the FAQ" is pretty close to rtfm
[03:09] <bob2> yeah
[03:09] <citybird> yea, stupid question, i know better
[03:09] <Elwood> iitf=rtfm
[03:09] <bob2> but it *is* in the FAQ
[03:10] <Elwood> rtfm is the only way to learn :)
[03:10] <thoreauputic> Kyaneos: apt-cache depends gdesklets
[03:10] <citybird> and i *DO* know bettter
[03:10] <Matt|> Elwood, no, this is a support chan
[03:10] <thoreauputic> Kyaneos: will tell you the dependencies
[03:10] <Matt|> it is here to help people, not to help them help themselves
[03:10] <labanux> hello
[03:10] <bob2> well
[03:10] <nevyn> Matt|: I was stunned tonight when configuring debian on a toshiba 300CDT EVERYTHING in acpi is supported
[03:10] <cardador> Kyaneos: open synaptic,  search for gdesklets, go to properties and installed files
[03:10] <bob2> typing out the same answers a thousand times a day is pretty tedious
[03:10] <labanux> test
[03:11] <nevyn> Matt|: including cpu scaling and screen brightness controlls.
[03:11] <Matt|> citybird,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[03:11] <Matt|> nevyn, wow
[03:11] <citybird> thanks
[03:11] <Treenaks> nevyn: wow, that would mean toshiba has learned to write valid ACPI tables
[03:11] <labanux> how can i acces my usb flash disk in ubuntu?
[03:11] <Matt|> nevyn, my brightness control is working
[03:11] <nevyn> Matt|: old laptop tho.
[03:11] <cardador> labanux: normally, just plug it in
[03:11] <nevyn> Treenaks: nah kernel has "special" support for it.
[03:11] <Matt|> labanux, it doesn't work when you plug it in?
[03:11] <nevyn> but it's compile in the debian kernels.
[03:12] <Elwood> Matt|, supports for me is just tell you hints to find the right way
[03:12] <Kyaneos> thx cardador thoreauputic
[03:12] <labanux> yes it doesn't show anythong when i plug in the usb
[03:12] <Matt|> Elwood, well it depends on your target audience. I would never give my mother hints to find the right way. Just tell her the answer!
[03:12] <Matt|> labanux, oh dear
[03:12] <Matt|> bob2, yeah i know it is tedious
[03:12] <labanux> so..?
[03:12] <hbbs> hi, when I doubleclick on an mp3-file, totem video player starts up. i want to change that behaviour, xmms should be the default app for mp3s. How?
[03:12] <citybird> so basicly all users have sudo access to the system or can you set this from user to user somewhere?
[03:13] <Matt|> labanux, try "tail -f /var/log/messages" and then plug it in, and read the messages
[03:13] <labanux> what should i do to make my usb flash being detected?
[03:13] <legba> hbbs in file associations
[03:13] <hbbs> legba where to find that?
[03:13] <legba> under computer menu
[03:13] <labanux> ok, wait a second
[03:13] <legba> system config
[03:13] <Matt|> bob2, but the more questions like that we get, the more users are joining ubuntu all the time
[03:13] <citybird> man this is so much easier than redhat package manager update.
[03:13] <Matt|> bob2, you could put the root faq page in the topic actually, because it must be the most common question, along with RestrictedFormats
[03:14] <Kyaneos> cardador, it is not that i want
[03:14] <bob2> Matt|: teaching them to read the FAQ is a valid aim in and of itself
[03:14] <cardador> Kyaneos: what do you want
[03:14] <bob2> Matt|: no one ever reads the topic
[03:14] <citybird> bob2: here here
[03:14] <Matt|> bob2, yeah but you could refer them to the topic, instead of having to give the url each time
[03:14] <Matt|> bob2, or just give the url of the faq homepage
[03:14] <bob2> hm, good point
[03:14] <labanux> i've plug it in
[03:15] <Matt|> bob2, in the latter case, then they can search for the right faq themselves
[03:15] <citybird> just put the url in a macro so it's easy to spit out :-)
[03:15] <bob2> Matt|: wai,the FAQ *is* in the topic
[03:15] <bob2> citybird: I have
[03:15] <Matt|> labanux, any messages in the terminal?
[03:15] <Matt|> bob2, oh *laughs*
[03:15] <Kyaneos> cardador, what packages apt installed when i did apt-get install gdesklets-data
[03:15] <bob2> Matt|: the first item, no less
[03:15] <Matt|> bob2, oh yeah i feel thick
[03:15] <labanux> and there's so many messages.., and it seems the system detected the usb
[03:15] <Matt|> will refer people to it in the future
[03:15] <bob2> Matt|: heh, I didn't notice until I went to change it :)
[03:15] <rom1_> [beginner] I need some help... Using Ubuntu every download hangs (when using either apt-get or wget). Any ideas? thx.
[03:15] <cardador> Kyaneos: in synaptic you can checj that, just search for gdesklets, then installed files
[03:15] <labanux> it even can tell the vendor of the usb flash
[03:16] <thoreauputic> Kyaneos: apt-cache depends gdesklets-data
[03:16] <Matt|> labanux, ok that is a good sign
[03:16] <thoreauputic> Kyaneos: same principle - you need the right package name is all
[03:16] <legba> rom1 - might be sign of bad card or bad driver
[03:16] <Matt|> labanux, so make a directory in which to mount it "mkdir /media/flash"
[03:16] <cardador> labanux: you dont have a sda1 icon in computer -> disks?
[03:17] <Kyaneos> no
[03:17] <Matt|> labanux, then mount it like this "mount /dev/sda /media/flash" <-- hopefully sda is the right device
[03:17] <legba> might want to install automount
[03:17] <citybird> one quick question. if ubuntu updates are based on a release wouldn't this make updateing to the latest version a problem after 18 months??
[03:17] <Kyaneos> i want to know what packages i installed with gdesklets-data
[03:17] <Kyaneos> my English is too bad
[03:17] <rom1_> legba: Ethernet card? (I'm using a DSL router so that should be no problem. Plus I can listen to mp3 radios without interruption)
[03:17] <labanux> yeah.., i dont have sda1 icon show up in mys dekstop
[03:17] <Matt|> citybird, there is a release every 6 months
[03:17] <thoreauputic> Kyaneos: why do you need this information?
[03:17] <Matt|> maybe so he can remove them all *grins*
[03:17] <legba> um dsl router? do you simply mean a router?
[03:18] <Matt|> i have a dsl router ;)
[03:18] <Kyaneos> thoreauputic, because i want to remove gdesklets and its dependencies
[03:18] <cardador> Kyaneos: open synaptic > search "gdesklets" > click on gdesklets > at the bottom choose "installed files"
[03:18] <_hbbs> legba maybe i missed your answer, i got disconnected
[03:18] <Matt|> it's a router and a modem
[03:18] <cardador> Kyaneos: so just rigth click on gdesklets and choose remove
[03:18] <citybird> Matt|: right like redhat. but after the lifecycle of the relase was done there were no updates to the latest version of packages like the kernel and so forth. this made upgradeing with the latest cd a necessity.
[03:18] <legba> so you plug your dsl into the router? (rolls eyes)
[03:18] <thoreauputic> Kyaneos:sudo  apt-gat remove gdesklets
[03:18] <thoreauputic> *apt-get
[03:18] <rom1_> legba: I mean DSL modem plus router. So the dsl connection should be transparent
[03:18] <Matt|> citybird, you can update without a cd
[03:18] <Kyaneos> thoreauputic, and its dependencies??
[03:19] <legba> thank you for admitting defeat.
[03:19] <thoreauputic> Kyaneos: why?
[03:19] <Kyaneos> because i do not need they
[03:19] <Matt|> legba, there are routers with modems inside
[03:19] <BenZ|iBook> Night all =)
[03:19] <legba> yes there are
[03:19] <rom1_> legba: you don't plug anything. It's built in
[03:19] <citybird> Matt|: i have a problem with this. so when the new version comes out there will be an upgrade to the new release so there will be no need to reinstall?
[03:19] <legba> do you have one?
[03:19] <Matt|> yuh
[03:19] <legba> reset it
[03:20] <Matt|> ?
[03:20] <labanux> So , if i make the dir /media/usb, then mount it manually.., is that means that i can't use hotplug for accesing my usb flash?
[03:20] <Matt|> citybird, sure
[03:20] <rom1_> legba: nope... Did that, plus it perfectly works under windows
[03:20] <legba> unless you're simply out of diskpace rom1
[03:20] <legba> try df -a
[03:20] <legba> in console
[03:20] <labanux> than everytime i want to acces my usb.., i should mount it manually
[03:21] <legba> labanux - automount does these things
[03:21] <Matt|> labanux, maybe you can configure automount
[03:21] <Matt|> or hotplug or whatever
[03:21] <rom1_> Nope... 29% occupation for the fullest partition
[03:21] <legba> odd.
[03:21] <legba> does it simply time out or hang forever?
[03:21] <rom1_> but any wget will hang right in the middle... I'm thinking MTU problem perhaps?
[03:21] <legba> have you tried making the box a DMZ temporarily?
[03:22] <legba> shouldn't be an MTU problem
[03:22] <legba> if it worked in windows should work fine here
[03:22] <labanux> mount -tvfat /dev/sda1 usb
[03:22] <labanux> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,
[03:22] <labanux>        or too many mounted file systems
[03:22] <labanux>        (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[03:22] <labanux>        instead of some logical partition inside?)
[03:22] <legba> i'm of the opinion linux networking is BETTER than windows ;)
[03:22] <labanux> is that something wrong with my command?
[03:22] <rom1_> But I had the same problem using Mandrake
[03:22] <legba> hmm
[03:23] <labanux> it show the same error message for /dev/sda
[03:23] <rom1_> What's DMZ by the way?
[03:24] <labanux> any suggestion for to solve this problem?
[03:24] <labanux> any suggestion to solve this problem?
[03:25] <azeem> rom1_: demilitarized zone
[03:26] <cardador> labanux: on all ubuntu pcs i've tried, i just plugged it my usb pen and it was mounted automatically
[03:26] <cardador> labanux: an sda1 or usb icon will appear on computer > disks
[03:27] <citybird> does ubuntu use xfree or xorg?
[03:27] <legba> dmz means all routing goes toyou unless staticly defined
[03:27] <cardador> xfree
[03:27] <cardador> xorg will be on hoary soon, i think
[03:27] <labanux>  i hear the same thing about this from my frind using ubuntu.., but why it doesn't work in my PC? hiks... :(
[03:28] <wfx> if i do fuser -km /mnt/smb/public i get an io error?
[03:28] <cardador> labanux: have you tried a different usb pen?
[03:28] <legba> eh? warty uses xfree? jeez...
[03:28] <wfx> /mnt/smb/public is a public smb share
[03:28] <legba> rom1 do you have other pc's?
[03:28] <_hbbs> is there a config file where I can change the default applications for file types manually?
[03:28] <legba> i'd like to know what the transfer between them is like
[03:28] <citybird> that's gonna be one heck of an upgrade from xfree to xorg
[03:29] <cardador> _hbbs: right click on file > properties > open with > add
[03:30] <labanux> yeah.., i ve try using two diffrent usb pen
[03:30] <kasey70> hi
[03:30] <_hbbs> cardador, thanks, thats easy :-)
[03:30] <labanux>  but it still have the same thing <-- no action at all
[03:30] <cardador> labanux: maybe you can file a bug
[03:31] <labanux> a bug?
[03:31] <labanux> hmm.., maybe.
[03:31] <cardador> labanux: or ask in the user mail list
[03:31] <_hbbs> but there has to be a file either, or a way to browse through the file associations ...
[03:31] <_hbbs> by hbbs :-)
[03:31] <kasey70> someone knows where are the modeline lines in te XF86Config, i need to modify them
[03:31] <kasey70> ?
[03:32] <labanux> Cause before using Ubuntu, i use Fedora 2. And in Fedora 2 there's no problem to accesing the usb pen
[03:33] <cardador> labanux: so that means no problem with your pc, maybe its a bug
[03:33] <Rotund> anyone else have problems w/ gnome-panel?
[03:33] <Kamion> zenwhen: thanks, belatedly
[03:34] <Rotund> It just hangs on my computer and doesn't respond to anything
[03:34] <FallenHitokiri> I installed k3b as the HowTo told me and now I have got a 2.4MB big strace-log, because k3b crashes every time I try to start it.
[03:34] <zenwhen> Kamion, yw. Now i just need to get some semblance of kernel source that actuall works installed. INstlaing VMWare is proving to be impossible.
[03:34] <zenwhen> actually*
[03:35] <Kamion> just apt-get source linux-source-2.6.8.1?
[03:35] <zenwhen> Im not seeing that version in apt
[03:35] <cardador> Rotund: have you tried to restart X?
[03:35] <zenwhen> oddly enough
[03:35] <Rotund> oh yeah
[03:35] <BenZ|iBook> Scientists have recently dicsovered that most women will, at some time in their life, contain small amounts of intelligent DNA. Unfortunately for a large majority of females, this is only a temporary state, as over 95% of them will spit it out.
[03:36] <Rotund> It occurred when I switched to "two screens one card" instead of TwinView w/ my NVIDIA card
[03:36] <Rotund> now even coming back it's messed up
[03:36] <Rotund> It's obviously a setting though as my other user works
[03:37] <d3niz> hi =)
[03:38] <cardador> Rotund: try to copy the settings from the other user
[03:38] <Rotund> good point
[03:39] <mercurus> BenZ|iBook: part ?
[03:39] <wfx> i have 3 smb shares on one disk and one have an i/o error what can be the fault
[03:40] <wfx> there is no error on disk (i login to the server)
[03:41] <wfx> only here on my client is somthing worng with the mounted directory
[03:41] <citybird_> well that was a painless install
[03:41] <FallenHitokiri> I try to open access my cddrive but I get mount: special device /dev/scd0 does not exist
[03:41] <FallenHitokiri> what can i do?
[03:42] <wfx> is it scsi
[03:42] <FallenHitokiri> yes
[03:43] <Kyaneos> where is the apt log file??
[03:43] <Kamion> zenwhen: check for deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:43] <tlocke> I've created a HowTo on Wiki, but I'm unable to add it as a sub-topic. Does anyone know how it gets added as a sub-topic?
[03:43] <Kamion> Kyaneos: apt doesn't log, sorry
[03:44] <Kyaneos> ok
[03:44] <Kyaneos> thank you Kamion
[03:44] <wfx> FallenHitokiri, what show you "cat /var/log/dmesg | grep scd0" use pastepin.com
[03:45] <FallenHitokiri> wfx: there is no output
[03:45] <BenZ|iBook> er, whoops @ paste before, wrong window
[03:46] <wfx> FallenHitokiri, do you look if the right scsi driver loaded
[03:46] <legba> ben
[03:46] <legba> you should be shot.
[03:47] <FallenHitokiri> wfx: if the right scsi.driver would not be loaded my system couldn't start because I boot from a scsi-diskl
[03:47] <tlocke> Hi, does anyone have any experience of using the Ubuntu Wiki?
[03:47] <wfx> FallenHitokiri, :) now i know this
[03:48] <Sbux> Hello everyone
[03:48] <JStrike> Instead of everyone creating their own inotify kernels for Beagle, is not possible for someone to create a repo with the inotify kernel and beagle debs
[03:48] <Sbux> I would like to ask a question if possible
[03:48] <JStrike> Or is making debs tougher than that?
[03:48] <mirak> hi
[03:48] <mirak> I  have installed ati drivers
[03:48] <mirak> however they don't seem to be enabled
[03:48] <wfx> FallenHitokiri, hmm im not sure if it works but test it ;-) "cat /proc/partitions"
[03:49] <thoreauputic> Sbux: don't ask to ask - just go ahead and ask :)
[03:49] <mirak> I have configured them with fglrxconfig
[03:49] <dopey> JStrike: building debian packages of kernels is easy. look at the kernel-pkg tool.
[03:49] <Sbux> hehe ok, I am not able to install gdesklets on my ubuntu desktop
[03:49] <FallenHitokiri> wfx: sda (sda1, sda2, sda5) dm-0 dm-1
[03:49] <Sbux> whenever I start the daemon, it says that there are modules deprecated
[03:50] <FallenHitokiri> but in my fstab there are entrys for both devices
[03:50] <Sbux> /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:90: GtkDeprecationWarning: gtk.mainloop is deprecated, use gtk.main instead
[03:50] <Sbux>   self.warn(message, DeprecationWarning)
[03:50] <cardador> mirak: change it in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[03:50] <mirak> XF86Config-4
[03:50] <mirak> cardador: I have done that
[03:51] <cardador> mirak: have you followed the howto?
[03:51] <mirak> I did like I did on mandrake
[03:51] <mirak> where is this how to ?
[03:51] <cardador> mirak: did you use apt to get the drivers?
[03:51] <Sbux> any idea ?
[03:52] <mirak> cardador: yes
[03:52] <JStrike> dopey : I am aware that it isn't too hard. I was just wondering why there is so much duplication of effort, instead of someone posting their kernel and beagle  debs in a repo?
[03:52] <cardador> mirak: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:53] <JStrike> And I am not sure if it is totally safe to use debian kernels with Ubuntu. Have there been any changes?
[03:53] <dopey> JStrike: sorry, i don't know much about the projects you mentioned.
[03:53] <JStrike> Or does Ubuntu use standard kernels?
[03:54] <wfx> FallenHitokiri, the modules sd_mod, sg, sr_mod are up
[03:54] <JStrike> If tseng would add them to his repo, I am sure he would make many people happy
[03:54] <wfx> FallenHitokiri, normaly hotplug should it load
[03:54] <FallenHitokiri> wfx: one moment please. I'm rebooting (tryed to load apm ;) )
[03:55] <wfx> FallenHitokiri, you have sr0
[03:56] <mirak> cardador: thanks
[03:57] <wfx> FallenHitokiri, must also leave 2min back
[03:57] <Sbux> any idea about gdesklets ?
[04:02] <chuen> hello, has anyone a ps/2 mouse working on a laptop with warty?
[04:02] <pao> hi all
[04:02] <pao> yep
[04:02] <pao> chuen, what's the problem?
[04:03] <chuen> pao: well the sinaptic mouse works fine, but the ps/2 mouse just doesn't respond
[04:03] <wfx> FallenHitokiri, and do you have a sr0?
[04:04] <legba> chuen - as i said yesterday - is there bios option for disabling onboard mouse?
[04:04] <chuen> legba, no way to disable the mouse, i checked it out
[04:04] <pao> how many entries do U have in /dev/input?
[04:05] <chuen> pao, let me see
[04:05] <pao> chuen, ls -l /dev/input
[04:05] <baluba> hi all
[04:05] <FallenHitokiri> wfx: I run modprobe sg and than I could mount /dev/sr0. The other device is /dev/sr1. I changed the fstab an now I'm rebooting to see if I can brun cdrs with nautilus, because k3b is broken
[04:05] <legba> might want to check your x config too
[04:05] <spektr> I'm annoyed. After I upgraded warty to nvidia-glx the login-screen freezes two seconds after it appeared. Debian Sarge works fine on the same machine (6111, too, but a 2.4.27 kernel instead of 2.6.8.1 on warty). Any hints? Known instabilities with 2.6.8.1/nvidia-6111?
[04:05] <wfx> FallenHitokiri, there is no need to rebbot
[04:05] <wfx> FallenHitokiri, reboot
[04:05] <FallenHitokiri> wfx: hum.. than something doesn't work ;)
[04:06] <wfx> FallenHitokiri, you can mount cd's?
[04:06] <FallenHitokiri> yes
[04:06] <opi> spektr: I couldn't get NV and 2.6 to work :(
[04:06] <baluba> is there a quick way to allow access to an ubuntu desktop from a win machine, while someone else is already using ubuntu xserver locally?
[04:06] <legba> baluba - under computer desktop sharing
[04:06] <wfx> FallenHitokiri, take a look to the device premissions
[04:06] <FallenHitokiri> hwo can I load sg and apm automaticaly while booting? /etc/modules.conf shouldn't work if I understand the notes right
[04:06] <chuen> pao, 5 entries: event0, event1, mice, mouse0, ts0
[04:07] <spektr> opi: nv works fine - but i need the nvidia driver.
[04:07] <FallenHitokiri> wfx: nautilus can only access the "image device" and not my sr1
[04:07] <opi> NV as prop. NVidia driver
[04:07] <thoreauputic> FallenHitokiri: put them in /etc/modules
[04:07] <FallenHitokiri> thoreauputic: thanks
[04:07] <spektr> opi: OK. I was talking about the name of the module...
[04:08] <vegai> hey, might there be experimental packages for x.org?
[04:08] <FallenHitokiri> I think I know why hotplug doesn't work. I get 2 errors when I boot with errors while loading hotplug-modules
[04:08] <spektr> opi: what problem did you have? freeze, too?
[04:08] <pao> chuen: dmesg | grep -i ps2 ... if you don't get anything (as I think), it's your kernel not detecting it
[04:08] <JStrike> Who is John Hornbeck
[04:09] <wfx> anything with shpchp and pciehp?
[04:09] <opi> spektr: I didn't even compile
[04:09] <opi> spektr: works flawless on 2.4
[04:09] <spektr> opi: there's nothing to compile on warty....
[04:09] <FallenHitokiri> wfx: yeah. those 2
[04:09] <chuen> pao: no response, so i guess i have to recompile
[04:10] <wfx> FallenHitokiri, have the same prob :-)
[04:10] <baluba> re
[04:10] <pao> chuen, let me see...
[04:10] <opi> spektr: maybe, Im talking about problems with Debian
[04:10] <wfx> btw i i have ignore this until i like to view what this is
[04:10] <wfx> :-)
[04:10] <FallenHitokiri> mounting cds works fine but nautilus can only write file-images
[04:10] <baluba> sorry who answered on desktop sharing^
[04:11] <pao> chuen, If both mouse (synaptic and external ps2) are detected you should get two entries in /dev/input
[04:11] <vegai> or let me put this another way. Hoary will have x.org. Is hoary open for crazy users yet/ever?
[04:12] <baluba> anyway the question is: i'll have to start a separate Xserver for that particolar user on the ubuntu box, isn't that?
[04:12] <thoreauputic> baluba: /lastlog baluba will show you
[04:13] <chuen> pao: so i have mouse0 and mice
[04:13] <chuen> pao: is that it?
[04:13] <pao> no
[04:13] <pao> I've got mice, mouse0 and mouse1
[04:14] <chuen> pao: ok i think mice is for usb... maybe mouse0 is my sinaptic, so i have to add a 3 mouse
[04:15] <baluba> thoreauputic, i disconnected so it doesn't i guess :)
[04:15] <pao> chuen, no... don't touch dev entries. They should be handled automatically by udev in ubuntu
[04:16] <chuen> pao: do you know what ts0 stands 4?
[04:17] <Treenaks> chuen: please, use words instead of numbers
[04:17] <Treenaks> (for instead of 4)
[04:17] <chuen> Treenaks: ok
[04:18] <baluba> working
[04:19] <chuen> pao: i just tried 'dmesg | grep -i ps/2' insted of ps2
[04:19] <pao> what does it return?
[04:19] <wfx> pciehp and shpchp errors messages are entirely harmless?
[04:20] <pao> ts is for touchscreen devices...
[04:20] <chuen> pao: and i got input: "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad on isa0060/serio1" and "mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice"
[04:21] <pao> chuen, mouse0 is you synaptic dev
[04:21] <pao> chuen, mice is the device that multiplexes all mices (1 mice in you case :-( (
[04:21] <wfx> hmmm, pciehp is for pci express hotplug and for what is shpchp?
[04:21] <pao> chuen, did you hotplug your external ps2 mouse?
[04:22] <zenwhen> I dont know whats so weird about the kernbel images tin apt for ubuntu but vmware doesnt seem tot hink any kind of kernel souce is good for building against them.
[04:22] <chuen> pao: what os hotplug?
[04:23] <pao> chuen, did you plug your mouse when the PC was running?
[04:23] <pao> any network guru here? I cannot get proxy arp working...
[04:24] <pao> zenwhen, I have vmware up and running...
[04:24] <chuen> pao: no it has always been connected, even during SO install
[04:24] <zenwhen> pao
[04:24] <zenwhen> what souce did you give it
[04:25] <zenwhen> source!*!*!*!
[04:25] <zenwhen> I cannot type
[04:25] <zenwhen> this morning
[04:25] <chuen> pao: i have to mess with the x86config-4 file
[04:25] <wfx> source or souces where the diff ;-)
[04:25] <pao> zenwhen, you should install the kernel-headers corrisponding to your kernel image... the vmware installer should automatically guess the righ source (/lib/modules...)
[04:25] <zenwhen> pao
[04:25] <pao> chuen, it's useless...
[04:25] <zenwhen> that didnt works for me
[04:25] <zenwhen> work*\
[04:26] <chuen> pao: what do you mean ....;(
[04:26] <pao> zenwhen, stock warty?
[04:26] <zenwhen> It says the ketrnel headers dont match my kernel even though they do indeed atch my kernel.
[04:26] <pao> chuen, your external mouse is not detected by kernel..
[04:26] <zenwhen> its th stock warty kernel and the stock warty kernel sources
[04:26] <pao> chuen, messing up with X config is useless
[04:26] <zenwhen> the*
[04:27] <chuen> pao, yes it has been useless...
[04:27] <pao> zenwhen, what is the directory that you gave for kernel include files?
[04:27] <chuen> pao, so i just recompile a kernel i guess
[04:27] <zenwhen> the one
[04:28] <zenwhen> arg
[04:28] <zenwhen> I think I need ot sleep.
[04:28] <pao> chuen, I would try to mess up with bios or recompile kernel without synaptic support...
[04:28] <zenwhen> to
[04:28] <pao> zenwhen, NOT kernel-source, kernel-headers!!!!
[04:28] <zenwhen> I have it the include dir
[04:28] <zenwhen> for the right headers
[04:28] <zenwhen> and it says they are wrong
[04:29] <Matt|> zenwhen, it is confusing but you need kernel-headers
[04:29] <zenwhen> I just said thats what i did
[04:29] <zenwhen> And its not cinfusing
[04:29] <zenwhen> Its confusing as to why its not working
[04:29] <zenwhen> CON
[04:30] <zenwhen> I swear to god Im going to put my keyboard through the wall.
[04:30] <pao> zenwhen, this is the path I specified "/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-k7/build"
[04:30] <zenwhen> build?
[04:30] <pao> yep!
[04:30] <zenwhen> You gave vmware the build dir
[04:30] <zenwhen> ?
[04:30] <pao> zenwhen, please: "ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-k7/build"
[04:31] <warty> I can't su
[04:32] <opi> root is disabled
[04:32] <opi> enable it, or use sudo -s
[04:32] <warty> enable?
[04:32] <zenwhen> pao
[04:32] <zenwhen> giving it that dir
[04:32] <zenwhen> doesnt work either
[04:32] <chuen> pao: thank you
[04:32] <opi> warty: it's disabled by default, consult FAQ on that
[04:32] <zenwhen> and my kernel that I use on every other distro doesnt work with ubuntu
[04:33] <opi> zenwhen: Ubuntu's kernel is not a vanilla one
[04:33] <pao> chuen, :-)
[04:34] <pao> do you have this file "/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-k7/build/include/linux/version.h" ?
[04:34] <pao> zenwhen, I use k7 optimized kernel... change k7 for what you are running...
[04:34] <zenwhen> I know
[04:34] <zenwhen> I did
[04:34] <zenwhen> And it didnt work
[04:35] <zenwhen> The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.8.1) does not match your running
[04:35] <zenwhen> kernel (version 2.6.8.1-3-686-smp).  Even if the module were to compile
[04:35] <zenwhen> successfully, it would not load into the running kernel.
[04:35] <zenwhen> thats the error
[04:35] <zenwhen> no matter what
[04:35] <zenwhen> I run the smp ubuntu image
[04:35] <zenwhen> and NOTHING matches it. Not even the headers for it.
[04:35] <pao> zenwhen, it seems that you are not listening...
[04:36] <zenwhen> What
[04:36] <zenwhen> I am listening.
[04:36] <zenwhen> I did everything you said to do.
[04:36] <Kal_Zakath> I can't see any windows shares with Gnome network browser, is there something special to do to get it work ???
[04:36] <pao> zenwhen, would you allow me to try to help you?
[04:36] <zenwhen> None of it worked.
[04:36] <zenwhen> WHat do you want me to try?
[04:36] <pao> zenwhen, please to "uname -a"
[04:36] <pao> zenwhen, please do "uname -a"
[04:37] <zenwhen> yes
[04:37] <thoreauputic> Kal_Zakath: you've set up Samba?
[04:37] <zenwhen> I have version.h
[04:37] <bwlang> Kal_Zakath: windows browsing is notoriously funky...  i recommend you set up a WINS server to improve the reliability
[04:37] <pao> zenwhen, please do "uname -a"
[04:37] <zenwhen> Linux sunball 2.6.8.1-3-686-smp #1 SMP Tue Oct 12 13:40:26 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:37] <Kal_Zakath> thoreauputic : well, I can manually mount windows shares, so I gess I did
[04:38] <Kal_Zakath> bwlang : well, I wasn't a problem with my previos debian
[04:38] <thoreauputic> Kal_Zakath: right - yes you did then :)
[04:38] <mjg59> zenwhen: What kernel-headers package do you have installed?
[04:38] <zenwhen> the one that matches my kernel name
[04:39] <Kal_Zakath> I can either mount those share with : mount -t smbfs or with the connect to server feature of gnome network browser
[04:39] <bwlang> Kal_Zakath: it's pretty quirky stuff... you could try changing which computer is the browse master... but really - it's easier to just set up the WINS server than it is to debug broadcast browsing.
[04:39] <pao> zenwhen, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.7.1-i686-smp
[04:39] <Matt|> phew
[04:39] <mjg59> zenwhen: Please do COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep linux-headers
[04:39] <pao> zenwhen, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.7.1-686-smp
[04:39] <Kal_Zakath> but I can't browse directly throug shares with the browser
[04:39] <mjg59> pao: That's 8, not 7...
[04:40] <Matt|> *grins*
[04:40] <pao> mjg59, right... sorry
[04:40] <zenwhen> E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.7.1-686-smp
[04:40] <mjg59> zenwhen: Change the 7 to an 8
[04:40] <Kal_Zakath> when I open the network browser I see Windows network icon
[04:41] <pao> can anyone help me in troubleshooting a proxy arp / dnat config?
[04:41] <Kal_Zakath> and when I go into, there nothing that shows up
[04:41] <zenwhen> E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.8.1-686-smp
[04:41] <zenwhen> I have them installed though
[04:41] <zenwhen> I mean, it was like the first thing I did.
[04:41] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: then you don't have them and the error is right
[04:41] <zenwhen> But Im looking at them
[04:41] <zenwhen> I installed them last night.
[04:41] <bwlang> Kal_Zakath: dude - it's not working because the browse list is screwby - if you wait a couple of days it'll probably resolve but just configure the wins and you'll never see this problem again.
[04:41] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: with apt?
[04:42] <zenwhen> indeed
[04:42] <Matt|> zenwhen, you are not confusing kernel-headers with linux-headers?
[04:42] <mjg59> zenwhen: The headers you have installed are not the correct headers for your kernel
[04:42] <pao> zenwhen, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-686-smp
[04:42] <zenwhen> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-686-smp
[04:42] <zenwhen> im in the dir
[04:42] <zenwhen> right now
[04:42] <zenwhen> is that what i need
[04:43] <Kal_Zakath> bwlang : well, as I said, I never had problems with other distros (previous was debian sid...) windows shares showed up directly
[04:43] <Kal_Zakath> so it *should* work here too
[04:43] <ys> is anyone using warty ppc?
[04:43] <pao> zenwhen, it's ok
[04:43] <ben_> hi
[04:43] <pao> zenwhen, try to launch the vmware-installer.pl
[04:44] <zenwhen> Ive already installed it
[04:44] <bwlang> Kal_Zakath: that's not a rational statement - because it used to work does not mean that the current configuration - after many changes will also work.
[04:44] <zenwhen>  need to configure it
[04:44] <pao> ok
[04:44] <zenwhen> But it wont compile the modules
[04:44] <ben_> why does network config take so long when booting?
[04:44] <bwlang> Kal_Zakath: You could probably get it to work by rebooting all the computers and setting samba to have a lower precedence in elections - BUT THE WINS SERVER IS EASIER
[04:44] <Matt|> does anyone know how boot-icons work? I have a slight problem with em. When i boot (with vga=791) i get the full screen console and the icons just flash up really briefly at the top, and are overriden by the text. I get the feeling there is supposed to be a space at the top of the screen for tux and the icons, am I right? If so, does any one know how I can solve this problem?
[04:44] <zenwhen> It wont accept those headers as being correct, though it seems as though they should be
[04:45] <Kal_Zakath> bwlang : i do not want to do this :/
[04:45] <Kal_Zakath> it used to work
[04:45] <Kal_Zakath> so it should work
[04:45] <pao> zenwhen, could you please check the file /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-686-smp/include/linux/version.h and check if UTS_RELEASE match you uname version?
[04:45] <zenwhen> yes
[04:46] <zenwhen> no it doesnt match
[04:46] <pao> ok... that's the bug...
[04:46] <zenwhen> should I change it
[04:46] <bwlang> Kal_Zakath: that doesn't make any sense - you make changes... you can't expect it to work just as if you had made no changes.  you're on your own... BROWSING.txt from the samba project may be of help to you (but turning on WINS is really simple)
[04:46] <Kirsch> hey, whats a good CDBurning program for X?
[04:46] <pao> zenwhen, you could try to change it...
[04:46] <Matt|> Kirsch, nautilus works nicely
[04:47] <Matt|> Kirsch, otherwise I personally like xcdroast
[04:47] <pao> my version.h UTS_VERSION sounds like that: #define UTS_RELEASE "2.6.8.1-3-k7"
[04:47] <Kirsch> Matt|: need to burn a CUE/BIN file
[04:47] <Matt|> Kirsch, ah i c
[04:47] <Kirsch> Does that program have image capabilities?
[04:47] <Matt|> both do for .iso files but I am not sure about cue/bin
[04:47] <Kirsch> i'm looking for something like a nero equivalent
[04:47] <Matt|> Kirsch, there is no nero equivalent
[04:48] <vegai> I think cdrdao can burn CUE/BIN
[04:48] <superted> Kirsch: it's coming, it's called coaster :)
[04:48] <vegai> k3b is quite like nero too ...
[04:48] <superted> k3b can burn images just fine
[04:49] <zenwhen> pao, still says its the worng version
[04:49] <vegai> will ubuntu move to x.org before Debian does?
[04:49] <zenwhen> I suppose im going to have to try to compile a working kernel for ubuntu or give up on it. I cant give up SMP to run ubuntu and I cant give up sound of vmware.
[04:49] <zenwhen> or vmware*
[04:50] <Matt|> vegai, i believe ubuntu unstable (hoary) will have xorg in a few days
[04:50] <mercurus> zenwhen: installed the SMP kernel image ?
[04:50] <pao> zenwhen, I'm sorry...
[04:50] <Matt|> *laughs*
[04:50] <Kirsch> What is so special about X.org? I've heard that alot of people want it, what is it exactly? (I know its a new version of XF86)
[04:50] <vegai> Matt|: hmm? not very optimistic, are you? =P
[04:50] <zenwhen> pao, thanks for trying to help.
[04:51] <Matt|> vegai, no seriously
[04:51] <bwlang> Kirsch: i'm eager because it includes power saving features for my video card... about a 10% impact on battery life for me...
[04:51] <vegai> is ubuntu unstable ... eh... unstable? =P
[04:51] <Matt|> Kirsch, the only reason i want it is because 3d acceleration is supported on my card.
[04:51] <Matt|> vegai, no, there is a development version
[04:51] <Kirsch> what about the actual display?
[04:51] <Kirsch> does it look better?
[04:52] <JStrike> Kirsch : Nothing really great about it yet for users. Has nice new extensions for developers though
[04:52] <vegai> Kirsch: I've experienced more pleasant use with the composite and damage extensions
[04:52] <ben_> is there anyway to make gnome 256 colors?
[04:52] <bwlang> Kirsch: i doubt it could look better than X... maybe there's more subpixel hinting or something -dunno.
[04:52] <vegai> though that might be placebo
[04:52] <Kirsch> ok, so it just supports hardware better?
[04:52] <Kal_Zakath> bwlang : didn't made any changes
[04:53] <bwlang> Kal_Zakath: uh - what didn't ?
[04:53] <Kal_Zakath> I didn't made any change
 Kal_Zakath: that doesn't make any sense - you make changes... you can't expect it to work just as if you had made no changes.
[04:54] <bwlang> Kal_Zakath: yes you did - you reinstalled a different operating system... probably you changed the config file for samba, the versoin of samba, the ip address of your machine, the system libraries, etc.
[04:54] <Kirsch> ok, XCDroast doesn't see my burner, can anyone help. It's a laptop.
[04:54] <Kal_Zakath> bwlang : so it's a problem of ubuntu default setup
[04:54] <Kirsch> actually wait.
[04:54] <ben_> anyone? make gnome 256 colors?
[04:55] <Kal_Zakath> ip adresse hasn't changed
[04:55] <bwlang> Kirsch: i've had some big troubles to get cd bruning working as a normal user without ide-scsi  - works fine for as root.
[04:55] <Kirsch> re-running as root
[04:55] <bwlang> Kal_Zakath: whatever man - the ubuntu default setup does not work in your situation - it worked fine in mine.
[04:56] <bwlang> Kal_Zakath: with a wins server on the lab
[04:56] <bwlang> Kal_Zakath: with a wins server on the lan
[05:00] <Hoodster> Hi All
[05:02] <gif85> hi everyone
[05:03] <gif85> i have some troubles with K3B and Warty... K3B doesn't detect my DVD-R burner. It seems that the problem comes with the 2.6.8 kernel... Does someone know a patch ? a solution ?
[05:04] <bwlang> gif85: it's also present in 2.6.9... i cannot find a solution - other than to run k3b as root... (not ideal)
[05:05] <Hoodster> I am a new Ubuntu user, about a week. I am not really new to linux having used Xandros for three years. However, I wanted to start learning linux and I felt it wasn't happening fast enough with Xandros (actually too much GUI, hehe). Also, Ubuntu appears to have a great community. What I want to know is what is the best way for a me (a new user) contribute to this community. Is it providing technical help at this chatroom? Is it helping ot
[05:05] <Hoodster> hers at the ubuntuforum? Is it helping to provide documentation at the wiki? Any opinion will be appreciated.
[05:06] <zenwhen> How can i be denied permission to write to /lib/modules when I sudo?
[05:07] <zenwhen> That doesnt make any sense
[05:07] <bwlang> Hoodster: i'd say that documentation is most valuable ... lasts longer than chat room help - though chatroom help is more fun (well sometimes)
[05:07] <zenwhen> I cant instlal the modules for the kernel I jsut compuled.
[05:07] <crimsun> zenwhen: what're the command you ran and the error?
[05:07] <Hoodster> bwlang: Thank you for the reply. Documentation at the wiki? I have never done a wiki before and I am a bit hesitant.
[05:07] <crimsun> Hoodster: help with the wiki. answer questions here in the channel and on the -users mailing lisnt.
[05:08] <thoreauputic> Hoodster: Xandros is kind of .... different.... isn't it?
[05:08] <bwlang> Hoodster: you'll figure it out - it was designed for your grandma ;)
[05:08] <thoreauputic> Hoodster: there's an experimental sand box for the wiki, as well :)
[05:09] <Kal_Zakath> bwlang : I'm setting up a a wins server on a linux server box with samba, I'm gonna try it but I don't like the idea
[05:09] <Hoodster> thoreauputic: Xandros is good for new linux users. But I am getting a bit beyond all the hand-holding and want to learn more linux stuff.
[05:09] <gif85> bwlang: thanks for information. Yep, it's a problem :( I don't like to run K3B as root. I'm going to compile an older 2.6.6 kernel instead. it's a solution... Not the best... But a solution :(
[05:09] <thoreauputic> Hoodster: right - I understand
[05:09] <Hoodster> thoreauputic: I will check it out.
[05:10] <bwlang> Kal_Zakath: well i think you'll like the results.... its just a better system all around.  Don't forget to configure all the windows computers to use the wins server too.
[05:10] <Hoodster> bwlang: For some reason, I am hesitant about the wiki because I don't want to post something that will be ridiculed (hehe)
[05:10] <Kal_Zakath> bwlang : only have 1 windows box so it won't take much time :)
[05:11] <thoreauputic> Hoodster: nah - someone will just edit the heck out of your work instead :)
[05:11] <ben_> where's the firefox config stuff held?
[05:11] <bwlang> Hoodster: ah - i see... well - all i can say is check your facts...
[05:11] <Hoodster> bwlang: I know I just need to do it once, but getting the guts to submit something is taking more than I had thought previously.
[05:11] <ys> does anyone have ubuntu ppc?
[05:12] <ys> use*
[05:12] <ben_> where's the firefox userprefs.js ?
[05:12] <bwlang> Hoodster: courage friend! into the breach
[05:13] <thoreauputic> ben_: buried deep in the ~/.firefox  directory somewhere, I think
[05:13] <bwlang> ben_: try this cd ~; find . -name userpref.js  (that's from memory so check the man page for find if that doesn't seem to work.
[05:14] <ys> ben_: Computer -> Search for files
[05:14] <rom1_> [?] Does anybody know how to apply chages after modifying /etc/fstab without a reboot? thx
[05:15] <bwlang> ys: hah - maybe i'm a little too commandline ;)
[05:15] <cardador> rom1_: try sudo mount -a
[05:15] <bwlang> rom1_: just unmount and remount whatever you changed (unless is your root ... in which case it's probably easiest to reboot)
[05:16] <thoreauputic> ben_: a much easier way is to get the extension that lets you edit the file directly in the browser
[05:16] <cenerentola> http://www.btlug.it/btlug/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4
[05:17] <cenerentola> sorrry its italian
[05:17] <Hoodster> bwlang thoreauputic: Thank you. I am checking out the wiki now for more details on how to contribute.
[05:17] <weasello> I've recently just installed Ubuntu, and I know I have installed Apache/PHP/SQL, but I can't find any mention of them under that Applications or the Computer buttons :(
[05:17] <paul_h> How do i change to runlevel 3. I have tried sudo init 3 and this did not work.
[05:17] <ben_> how do you search for a file?
[05:17] <thoreauputic> ben_: the extension is called chrome-edit or something similar
[05:18] <thoreauputic> ben_: several people have just told you ^^^^
[05:18] <cardador> ben_: computer > search for files
[05:18] <liten> weasello: apache/php/sql isnt a normal application, apache is a httpd and php is a plugin for web. sql is a database
[05:18] <ys> I've seemed to messup my serch.list.  if someone could msg me theirs it would be greatly appreciated.
[05:18] <ys> please
[05:18] <JStrike> Ben_ : COmputer Menu -> Search For Files
[05:18] <ben_> k
[05:18] <weasello> liten: yes, but I have no idea if they're running or working or if they've started automatically or how to configure them or anything like that. It just said "installed" and the window closed
[05:19] <ben_> i want to copy and paste stuff into the file though
[05:19] <thoreauputic> ben_: but diving into ~/.firefox will find it as well
[05:19] <liten> weasello: [root@starshine root] # service httpd status
[05:19] <liten> httpd (pid 17611 7649 7648 7647 7646 7645 751) is running...
[05:20] <thoreauputic> ~/.firefox/default/oxxicis2.slt (or something similar)
[05:20] <the_one> hi
[05:20] <liten> weasello: there is always some way of finding it, ps aux should also show it
[05:20] <thoreauputic> ben_: ^^^^
[05:20] <JStrike> So?
[05:20] <weasello> is that that command line thingy you did there?
[05:20] <liten> where ubuntu put its httpd.conf i don't know atm, since my install is broken
[05:20] <JStrike> Open it, and paste
[05:20] <the_one> can someone tell me how to create a link in /dev/dvd pointing to /media/cdrom1 via the console?
[05:21] <liten> the_one: man ln
[05:21] <the_one> because mplayer can't find the dvd
[05:21] <ys> can someone send me their search.list file via msg? please
[05:22] <the_one> liten: can you write the whole command line?
[05:22] <weasello> liten: $ service httpd status
[05:22] <liten> the_one: no :P
[05:22] <bwlang> ys: sorry - i don't even what search.list you're referring to
[05:22] <weasello> liten: bash: service: command not found
[05:22] <liten> the_one: read the man page on ln first
[05:22] <ys> ahh
[05:22] <ben_> says that the directory doesn't exist :(
[05:23] <thoreauputic> ben_: which directory?
[05:23] <mirak> hey
[05:23] <liten> weasello: /etc/init.d/httpd status ?
[05:23] <mirak> I don't understand how to build the java packages
[05:23] <ys> i need search.list for apt-get.  can someone send me it in a message?
[05:23] <liten> i gotta reinstall ubuntu so i can check stuff :P
[05:23] <mirak> I have installed java-package, but how to us this scripts?
[05:23] <ben_> ls ~/.firefox/ "no such file or directory"
[05:23] <weasello> bash: /etc/init.d/httpd: No such file or directory
[05:23] <the_one> liten:I'm not so familiar with the command line, need to quickly watch a dvd, I don't have time to read the man page right now, that's why I was hoping to get help here
[05:23] <bwlang> ys: are you referring to sources.list?
[05:24] <ys> yes that is right
[05:24] <cardador> mirak: what do you mean?
[05:24] <thoreauputic> ben_: what is you current working directory?  type pwd
[05:24] <liten> the_one: ln -s /media/cdrom1 /dev/<whatever your dvddrive is>
[05:24] <bwlang> the_one: uh "need" and "dvd" don't really go together in my mind...  i recomend xmms for easy setup
[05:24] <mirak> calc:
[05:24] <bwlang> the_one: i mean xine
[05:25] <mirak> cardador: to make .deb files with the scripts
[05:25] <cardador> mirak: hmm dont have a clue :)
[05:25] <the_one> bwlang: xine doesn't find it either, it asks for /dev/dvd
[05:25] <thoreauputic> ben_: cd ~        then     ls .firefox
[05:26] <bwlang> the_one: try this on the command line  ls -l /dev/dvd; rm -f /dev/dvd; ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/dvd
[05:27] <the_one> the problem is I have to dvd drives...so maybe it doesn't want to work on the second one
[05:27] <the_one> sorry
[05:27] <the_one> I have two (2) dvd drives
[05:27] <ben_> nvm, i found it
[05:27] <ben_> there is no ".firefox"
[05:27] <ben_> it's .mozilla
[05:27] <zenwhen_> got my 2.6.9 kernel running in ubuntu with a bit of hacking
[05:27] <ben_> and then a firefox directory under it
[05:27] <ben_> ;)
[05:28] <thoreauputic> ben_: OK it has changed - my bad
[05:28] <bwlang> the_one: you'll need to know which dvd drive is which...  you could look through  /var/log/messages to see which one is which
[05:28] <thoreauputic> oops
[05:28] <thoreauputic> ben_: OK it has changed - my bad
[05:29] <thoreauputic> ben_: on this box I have a .firefox
[05:29] <paul_h> Does xine rely on a specific version of libdvdcss. I have compiled v 1.2.8 and installed it in /lib but xine will not recognize it.
[05:30] <bwlang> paul_h: works fine for me with v1.2.8
[05:30] <pisuke> paul_h, install libdvdread3
[05:31] <bwlang> paul_h: actually - it looks like i have both dvdread and dvdcss ... not sure which xine is using...
[05:31] <citybird_> where does ubuntu put the apache conf files??
[05:31] <mazogs> hello ppl, someone knows how to 'modconf' in ubuntu?
[05:31] <the_one> thanks so far...I'm able to play the dvd but there is too much brightness and I have no sound. Any suggestions?
[05:32] <bwlang> citybird_: dpkg -L apache (probably /etc/apache/ or /etc/apache2 depending on your version)
[05:32] <Kal_Zakath> bwlang : well, the reult isn't what I expected :(
[05:32] <bwlang> the_one: dunno about the brightness - but you'll have to configure the player to use the right sound output lib - probably alsa
[05:33] <bwlang> the_one: don't forget to turn up the volume :)
[05:33] <bwlang> Kal_Zakath: what happens?  you enable wins in the samba config and tell the windows box to use it.  not much to go wrong?
[05:34] <the_one> bwlang: I've got volume :P
[05:34] <thoreauputic> citybird_: ocate apache | grep conf     might give you a clue?
[05:34] <mazogs> please some knows how to run 'modconf' or a similar utility in ubuntu?
[05:34] <ben_> is there anyway to get suspend to work on my laptop?
[05:34] <thoreauputic> citybird_: sorry locate apache | grep conf
[05:34] <ben_> pressing the power button doesn't work :p
[05:35] <ben_> i can do it from the command line though
[05:35] <mazogs> ben_ : i saw 'software suspend' in freshmeat yesterday, i hope it will work for you
[05:35] <ben_> mazogs: thanks, i'll check it out
[05:35] <poyayan> new nvidia drivers were released for linux
[05:36] <poyayan> 1.0-6629
[05:36] <poyayan> anyone tried it yet?
[05:36] <polytan> re
[05:36] <mazogs> please someone give me a hint on how to load modules like 'modconf' in debian....
[05:36] <ddaa> mazogs: there is no such thing for ubuntu. Hardware auto-detection generally just works. When it does not, you can schedule modules to be loaded at boot by editing /etc/modules.
[05:37] <ddaa> mazogs: and of course, you can just use "modprobe <module>"
[05:37] <ddaa> if you want to load a module right now
[05:37] <thoreauputic> mazogs: use modprobe , then put the module in /etc/modules
[05:37] <thoreauputic> ddaa: heh - you won :)
[05:38] <ddaa> Note that you can find data on ubuntulinux.org/wiki if you do not know what to do to enable support for your hardware. Beware though, a lot of the data there is not authoritative.
[05:39] <mazogs> but a i don't know the name of the module or even if it exists... i have problems with a labtec webcam, is recognised as a microfone
[05:40] <mazogs> another question:) how do i load gaim in the system tray when i logon?
[05:42] <Kal_Zakath> bwlang : yeah, that's what I did, but it doesn't work better than before
[05:42] <ben_> if i remove linux-image-386 because i installed 686, is it ok that it takes all the pkgs that have dependencies with it?
[05:43] <citybird_> how do you modify where apache keeps the default location of the main web server files??
[05:44] <bwlang> Kal_Zakath: here's some doc about it http://us3.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/NetworkBrowsing.html#id2529547
[05:44] <ddaa> mazogs: http://home.tiscali.dk/tomasgc/labtec/
[05:45] <ys> is there any other thing i can use besides apt-get?
[05:45] <thoreauputic> citybird_: have you tried #apache?
[05:45] <ben_> anyone?
[05:45] <ben_> is it ok to remove restricted modules and stuff for 386?
[05:46] <Mitario> ys, you could use the graphical package manager, available trough Computer -> System Configuration -> Synaptic Package Manager
[05:46] <ddaa> ben_: if you install the corresponding i686 packages, that should be a no-brainer.
[05:46] <ben_> ok
[05:46] <ys> mitario - does it use the same sources.list?
[05:46] <Mitario> ys, yes
[05:47] <Telep> ys: it is simply a graphical interface to apt-get
[05:47] <Elwood> what about mm pathces...i have to respect order mm1 then mm2 ecc ecc?
[05:48] <ys> i can't get kde isntalled
[05:48] <Mitario> brb
[05:48] <Elwood> i love being off topic
[05:49] <Hoodster> To anyone: I have a slight problem. I previously registered with the Ubuntu wiki. However, I cannot log in because I don't know the password that was sent to me. I am unable to look up the email sent from Ubuntu with the password because I cannot figure out how to view all of my Mozilla email (not thunderbird) in Evolution (it only imports the inbox) or Thunderbird (I can't point it to import from a specific directory). I also cannot down
[05:49] <Hoodster> load the mozilla email browser/client because only the browser is included. I also cannot create a new Ubuntu wiki account because my email address is already used. Any suggestions?
[05:50] <Moof> Hoodster: the mozill mail files just mboxes. you should be able to less them and serch for a string
[05:51] <Hoodster> Moof: what is 'less' them?
[05:51] <Moof> less mailfile
[05:51] <Moof> thne type / to search for a tring
[05:51] <thoreauputic> Hoodster: less is a pager  - like more
[05:51] <Hoodster> Moof: What will that do?
[05:51] <Moof> and press n to find the next ocurrence of the string
[05:52] <thoreauputic> Hoodster: are familiar with the command line?
[05:52] <Hoodster> thoreauputic: Yeah, I can the console, if I know the correct command (hehe)
[05:52] <spiv_> Hoodster: If you fail to log in, there's a link titled "forgotten password?" or similar.  Follow it, put in your email address, it'll send you a mail.  Except that it's broken atm, but should be fixed tomorrow.
[05:52] <thoreauputic> you don't know `less` ?
[05:53] <citybird_> wtf, i cant change the properties of nautilus to show folder list??
[05:53] <Hoodster> spiv: Thank you for stating that, because I failed to mentioned I tried to get the password and that it retrieved an error message.
[05:53] <spiv> Hoodster: Yep :)  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3229
[05:54] <thoreauputic> Hoodster: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/cli.html
[05:54] <Hoodster> Moof Thoreauputic and spiv: Thank you for the tips. I think I will take spiv advice and be more patient and see if I can get the wiki login information through the retrieve password mechanism.
[05:55] <spiv> Hoodster: Yeah, try again in 24 hours.
[05:55] <spiv> Or CC yourself on the bug and get notified when it's fixed.
[05:55] <Hoodster> thoreauputic: That is a great link!
[05:55] <thoreauputic> Hoodster: heh - lots more where that came from :)
[05:57] <Hoodster> spiv: Do I have to create a new account for the bug tracker system in order to be cc?
[05:58] <spiv> Hoodster: Yeah, I think so.
[06:00] <gilliga1> anyone have any luck installing an epson C84?
[06:01] <Hoodster> spiv: Call me blind. I don't see the link that will cc me when the bug is resolved (I am logged in). Can you point me where to look?
[06:01] <ketsugi> Hello!
[06:01] <gilliga1> hello
[06:01] <ketsugi> I need to check if there's some specific way to start the SSH daemon in Ubuntu
[06:02] <ketsugi> I just installed it on my router box and it's working great
[06:02] <ketsugi> except that I can't shell in
[06:02] <ketsugi> firewall is up and allowing connections from internal network so that shouldn't be the issue
[06:02] <Kal_Zakath_> bwlang : works fine now, thanks a lot
[06:02] <bwlang> Kal_Zakath_: what was the trouble?
[06:02] <Kal_Zakath_> I just restarted X
[06:02] <ddaa> ketsugi: the ssh-server is not installed by the default install. Are you sure you installed it?
[06:03] <Kal_Zakath_> some stuff that he needed to reconfigure I gess
[06:03] <ketsugi> ...That would make sense
[06:03] <ketsugi> How do I install it, then?
[06:03] <ketsugi> use apt-get?
[06:03] <ketsugi> (You'll have to bear with me, I'm pretty much a Linux newbie)
[06:03] <bwlang> Kal_Zakath_: uh... that doesn't make much sense to me... hmm maybe the gnome browser needed to re-read the config file.
[06:03] <ddaa> ketsugi: yes, or synaptic (gui) or aptitude.
[06:03] <ketsugi> okay I'll go check that out
[06:03] <ketsugi> thanks
[06:03] <ddaa> Then try and play around with Synaptic.
[06:04] <ddaa> Personally I hate it, but it's easier to use than aptitude for a newcomer.
[06:04] <Kal_Zakath_> bwlang : yeah, that's certainly something like that
[06:04] <spiv> Hoodster: On https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3229, put yourself in the "Add CC" field.
[06:05] <spiv> (Then click "Commit")
[06:05] <Hoodster> spiv: Thank you. That did the trick. I didn't see the "Add CC:"
[06:06] <spiv> Hoodster: Bugzilla's forms are a bit overwhelming :)
[06:06] <WebMaven> Hello.
[06:07] <WebMaven> Have the free CDs started shipping yet?
[06:07] <HWolf> CDs will ship in a few weeks
[06:07] <WebMaven> Great!
[06:08] <WebMaven> I used warty to set up a server at my new job.
[06:08] <WebMaven> I'm pretty happy with the level of Python support.
[06:08] <HWolf> *g* I'm planning to use warty also. Current server is running 2k/ISS :-S
[06:09] <WebMaven> There were a few things that were't in the default repositories though.
[06:10] <WebMaven> And I was kind of surprised that there wasn't a desktop Atom/RSS aggregator installed by default.
[06:10] <HWolf> Oh, well, enabling universe is the first thing I do on any linux distro. :-)
[06:10] <eim> Should a `normal` Ubuntu user subscribe to warty-changes? Is it for interest? Thanks.
[06:11] <HWolf> I subsribed since I want to know when something goes in there that makes it worth for me to upgrade.
[06:11] <HWolf> but no, nothing really interesting, Just notices. Accepted bla bla in warty.
[06:12] <ketsugi> okay
[06:12] <ketsugi> so I installed the SSHd
[06:13] <ketsugi> and now I can connect
[06:13] <WebMaven> All in all, I'm a lot happier with Ubuntu than Libranet.
[06:13] <ketsugi> but instead of getting the "user name login" dialog, I get this "Enter your authentication response" dialog
[06:13] <ketsugi> what's that about?
[06:13] <ketsugi> I tried my password (for both root and user) and it didn't work
[06:14] <HWolf> Ugh, I can't get vmware working. :-S
[06:14] <Matt|> guys, when I set some text as BOLD in openoffice.org writer, it marks it as bold but it does not appears as bold on my screen?!?!?
[06:15] <eim> HWolf: So Warty accepts always `new` packages?
[06:16] <WebMaven> Matt|, maybe the font doesn't *have* a bold version?
[06:16] <Matt|> WebMaven, maybe. It should tho
[06:16] <Matt|> WebMaven, it is Nimbus Roman
[06:17] <WebMaven> try a different font, and see if that changes anything.
[06:17] <Matt|> WebMaven, ok
[06:17] <ddaa> ketsugi: try using the command-line ssh client first.
[06:17] <WebMaven> Like Vera.
[06:17] <Matt|> WebMaven, I have tried Times, no change
[06:18] <ddaa> ketsugi: the guy app you are apparently using is probably unfamiliar and it might have bugs that have nothing to do with ubuntu.
[06:18] <ddaa> s/guy app/gui app/
[06:18] <Matt|> WebMaven, Nimbus Sans works ok though
[06:18] <ketsugi> well I'm using SSH Secure Shell
[06:18] <ketsugi> <-- WinXP machine
[06:18] <WebMaven> Matt|, try the Vera fonts.
[06:19] <Matt|> WebMaven, i do not have them installed
[06:19] <Matt|> WebMaven, but Nimbus Roman should work right? I've always used it before
[06:19] <ddaa> ketsugi: afaik, Putty is generally considered to do Right Thing on win32 systems.
[06:19] <ketsugi> hmm, ok
[06:19] <ketsugi> ...
[06:19] <ketsugi> puTTY works fine
[06:20] <ketsugi> huzzah
[06:20] <Matt|> WebMaven, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3138
[06:20] <jmmcd> is there a url from which i can download ubuntu .deb packages using http?
[06:20] <jmmcd> ie, not using apt or anything like it?
[06:20] <WebMaven> Matt|, fonts under Linux are generlally screwy, due to crappy legacy font formats.
[06:21] <ketsugi> Thanks, ddaa
[06:21] <ketsugi> I'll probably be back the next time I run into a snag, heh
[06:21] <Matt|> WebMaven, I've used Nimbus Roman successfully on other distros. Seems it is a debian font issue :(
[06:21] <ketsugi> I'd lurk here but... already have 5 networks open -_-;;
[06:21] <ketsugi> cya all
[06:22] <ys> what's the difference between ppc and ppc64?
[06:22] <ys> i have a powerbook g4 what one would i be considered?
[06:22] <HWolf> eim, mostly it's patches and syncing with debian at the moment.
[06:23] <WebMaven> Matt|, well, at least you've established that it's not you... :-)
[06:23] <HWolf> eim, but yes. X.org and gnome 2.10 will appear there, and packages previously not supported.
[06:23] <Matt|> WebMaven, yeah :(
[06:24] <jordi> ys: you've got a ppc
[06:24] <Matt|> WebMaven, I'm getting disgruntled with ubuntu
[06:24] <Treenaks> Matt|: why?
[06:24] <Matt|> i keep having problems which i can't fix
[06:24] <Treenaks> Matt|: like?
[06:24] <Matt|> acpi support on my laptop is totally screwed
[06:25] <Treenaks> Matt|: hardware problem, not an ubuntu problem?
[06:25] <Matt|> Treenaks, it was fine with: redhat9, fedora1/2/3, mandrake 10, knoppix, gentoo
[06:25] <Matt|> this font problem is really annoying too
[06:25] <Treenaks> Matt|: well, check waht they do differently, and fix it in ubuntu
[06:25] <Treenaks> font problem?
[06:26] <WebMaven> Treenaks, scroll up.
[06:26] <Matt|> Treenaks, i have no computer ability: i can't fix things :( i wish i could
[06:26] <Matt|> Treenaks, some of the fonts do not display as bold
[06:26] <Matt|> in openoffice.org
[06:27] <WebMaven> Treenaks, he found this bug page that describes the problem he's having:  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3138
[06:27] <Matt|> it's a lovely distro but those two problems are serious for me
[06:27] <Treenaks> WebMaven: if the bug has been file, it'll be fixed...
[06:27] <Treenaks> (unless it's WONTFIX)
[06:27] <Matt|> hope so :)
[06:28] <Matt|> it is pretty basic
[06:28] <Matt|> so is acpi support
[06:28] <Matt|> i'll keep my fingers crossed because i like this distro
[06:28] <Treenaks> Matt|: I don't use OOo at all.. so it's not that basic
[06:28] <eim> HWolf: I understand. Thanks for clarification.
[06:28] <Treenaks> Matt|: and the ACPI thing.. is that an IRQ thing or the "other" ACPI info
[06:29] <Matt|> Treenaks, well if ubuntu aspires to be an OS for common users then it needs good ooo support
[06:29] <Matt|> Treenaks, here's the acpi bug:
[06:29] <Matt|> 2711
[06:29] <Amaranth> Hmm, I just realized something.
[06:29] <Amaranth> This channel is like #debian minus the arrogance.
[06:30] <ddaa> Amaranth: can you expand a bit on what you mean?
[06:30] <Matt|> Amaranth, #debian is arrogant huh?
[06:30] <Amaranth> ddaa: A lot of the people in #debian are assholes.
[06:30] <buclex02> hi
[06:30] <Matt|> Amaranth, i've found the same with #gentoo
[06:30] <Matt|> Amaranth, and don't even start with #apache
[06:30] <Amaranth> First time you ever go there they expect you to spend 10 minutes figuring out the bot to see if it answers your question.
[06:30] <Amaranth> And get all pissy if you just ask without checking the bot.
[06:30] <Treenaks> Amaranth: "jaded" is more like it I think.. I sometimes get annoyed by answering the same question over and over here as well :)
[06:30] <WebMaven> Amaranth, 'arrogance' is a direct function of popularity.
[06:31] <buclex02> can anyone tell me what does "package has no candidate for its installation" ????
[06:31] <Matt|> buclex02, when does the error appear?
[06:31] <xenonite> hi, could someone please tell me the md5sum of warty-release-install-i386.iso  ?
[06:31] <rapha> buclex02: Translation: "There's no such package".
[06:31] <buclex02> well
[06:31] <buclex02> the thing is i have "totem" Ubuntu brings
[06:31] <buclex02> but it seems to have some trouble
[06:31] <Amaranth> Treenaks: Hmm, you could make a bot that used weighted matching (i think ALICE actually does this) to see if it can automatically respond to the question.
[06:31] <housetier> once you grow tired of helping peopleby answering the same questions over and over again you need to take a break
[06:31] <ddaa> xenonite: it's in the md5sums file in the same directory as the image...
[06:32] <buclex02> so i wanna get a new version of totem
[06:32] <Amaranth> I have a feeling for monitoring a large channel like this it would kill whatever server its on.
[06:32] <thoreauputic> buclex02: either you haven't updated, you don't have that repository, or it ain't there
[06:32] <xenonite> ddaa: thanks veery much!!
[06:32] <buclex02> shall i first delete the totem package i have installed=
[06:32] <WebMaven> Amaranth, the 'arrogance' is a defensive reaction to clueless newbies.
[06:32] <Matt|> housetier, yeah i agree totally
[06:32] <buclex02> ?
[06:32] <Amaranth> hmm, i should work on something like that....
[06:32] <Amaranth> would be better then even dpkg
[06:32] <Treenaks> Amaranth: you don't want to know how many people "just fire up IRC to ask a question" instead of reading the FAQ/wiki/manual first
[06:32] <Matt|> WebMaven, clueless newbies deserve your help
[06:32] <rapha> buclex02: Then you'll have to add the respective repositories to your /etc/apt/sources.list, and then say "apt-get update && apt-get install totem-xine"
[06:32] <rapha> buclex02: It's all somewhere on the Ubuntu website
[06:33] <Matt|> Treenaks, that is what this channel is for: supporting people who might not be familiar with reading manuals
[06:33] <buclex02> oh
[06:33] <thoreauputic> buclex02: no
[06:33] <buclex02> thanks a lot then
[06:33] <buclex02> gonna take a look
[06:33] <Amaranth> Treenaks: Yeah, but they make it sound like all the questions I ask are obvious even though google, the FAQ, etc give me nothing.
[06:33] <WebMaven> Matt|, absolutely, but a significant percentage of newbies won't try to help themselves at all.
[06:33] <Treenaks> Matt|: still.. there are people who don't even TRY to help themselves first... which is a /bad/ attitude to it all imho
[06:33] <Amaranth> Of course, I understand the arrogance problem.
[06:34] <Amaranth> #phpfreaks was nothing but a bunch of arrogant pricks (I was one of them) beating on any clueness newbie that came in the channel.
[06:34] <WebMaven> it doesn't really matter how small that percentage is, eventually they become the bulk of the traffic.
[06:34] <housetier> freenode set up a nice document for all the people that thankfully try to help others: http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml
[06:34] <Amaranth> We bitched at them for using syntax that we didn't like too.
[06:34] <Matt|> WebMaven, Treenaks, some people are not familiar enough with computers/technology to help themselves. my mother would never be able to help herself if she ran ubuntu. I would recommend her to this channel to ask questions
[06:34] <housetier> it surely changed MY attitude, I used to be one of the #debian guys too
[06:34] <Matt|> come to think of it, my father too
[06:35] <Matt|> housetier, this channel needs people like you :)
[06:35] <Amaranth> Matt|: Those people need iMac G5s. :)
[06:35] <Treenaks> Matt|: I'd teach my mother to press "F1" first, and if that doesn't help her, go to the channel
[06:35] <Amaranth> Matt|: And since if you bought two of those you'd have to be rich you could buy one for me too. :)
[06:35] <WebMaven> Matt|, it doesn't have anything to do with whether the newbie is *able* to help  themselves, but whether they even *try*.
[06:35] <rapha> Matt|: The only problem is that this channel is all English. The guy I set Ubuntu up for yesterday only speaks German... we've started #ubuntu.de, but so far nobody's showing up :-(
[06:35] <alindeman> Heh, #phpfreaks
[06:35] <alindeman> Weird channel
[06:35] <Amaranth> heh, F1 actually did something....
[06:35] <Matt|> rapha, sorry i don't speak german. i can help out with italian tho
[06:35] <Amaranth> alindeman: are you _everywhere_?
[06:36] <rapha> WebMaven: There ARE people who are so lost they can't be expected to browse the web and look for answers.
[06:36] <alindeman> Amaranth: Close ;P
[06:36] <Matt|> rapha, yeah exactly
[06:36] <rapha> Matt|: Well, open a #ubuntu.it channel then :)
[06:36] <Treenaks> I wonder why I get "Novell" in my Firefox help page.. but hey
[06:36] <Amaranth> There is also the problem of people not knowing how to word their questions.
[06:36] <Matt|> rapha, how to popularise it?
[06:36] <rapha> But then, that kind of people usually are also very slow typists :-/
[06:36] <Amaranth> A human can sometimes understand them and poke them for more hints, but google never will.
[06:36] <rapha> Matt|: That's exactly the problem I have in #ubuntu.de
[06:37] <Amaranth> alindeman: Do you ever sleep?
[06:37] <Matt|> rapha, people can't just type /list | grep -i ubuntu :/
[06:37] <alindeman> Amaranth: Yep
[06:37] <Amaranth> alindeman: With all the things you seem to be involved in you would need 36 hour  days to keep up with them all.
[06:37] <alindeman> /cs list #ubuntu*
[06:37] <Matt|> rapha, add your channel to a WIKI
[06:37] <rapha> Matt|: Yeah...
[06:37] <ddaa> my preferred annoyance is people making too many assumptions... they sometimes end up getting quite aggressive at wanting to solve the wrong problem....
[06:37] <rapha> Matt|: good idea. The Ubuntu Wiki.
[06:37] <alindeman> Amaranth: Hehe
[06:37] <Treenaks> Amaranth: /cs ?
[06:37] <Treenaks> alindeman: /cs ?
[06:37] <WebMaven> rapha, but is it arrogant to tell those people "go to http://www.google.com and try to find an answer before you ask here"?
[06:37] <alindeman> /msg chanserv .. whatever you prefer 8)
[06:37] <Matt|> alindeman, doesn't work
[06:37] <alindeman> /cs == /msg chanserv
[06:37] <citybird> how do you add a wireless card to your network settings? my netgear is not working at all
[06:37] <Matt|> alindeman, there is no chanserv here i don't think
[06:37] <Amaranth> Treenaks: /cs, /chanserv, /msg chanserv
[06:37] <alindeman> Sure it does
[06:38] <alindeman> /msg chanserv list #ubuntu*
[06:38] <Matt|> alindeman, /cs help does nothing
[06:38] <Amaranth> I believe irssi doesn't support /cs.
[06:38] <alindeman> /alias cs quote cs
[06:38] <alindeman> (irssi)
[06:38] <Matt|> alindeman, doesn't work here
[06:38] <alindeman> Matt|: That's a client problem 8)
[06:38] <Matt|> *laughs*
[06:38] <alindeman> Just use /msg chanserv then
[06:38] <Matt|> xchat
[06:38] <Matt|> alindeman, i have tried that too
[06:38] <alindeman> Does the same thing, I just prefer /cs for shortness 8)
[06:38] <alindeman> Matt|: Check your status window
[06:39] <Treenaks> irssi doesn't do /cs
[06:39] <Treenaks> not by default anyway
[06:39] <Matt|> alindeman, ah it is printing it in another channel window
[06:39] <alindeman> Matt|: Actually, check every window, xchat is weird
[06:39] <Matt|> alindeman, not in the server tab :(
[06:39] <citybird> now something has crashed and network is not working at all
[06:39] <alindeman> xchat assumes weird things sometimes
[06:39] <Amaranth> It dumps it to #debian here.
[06:39] <Amaranth> I say it's a client bug.
[06:39] <alindeman> I don't like it 8)
[06:39] <alindeman> It prints in #debian b/c Chanserv is there
[06:40] <alindeman> Which is a horrible assumption of what you meant
[06:40] <rapha> WebMaven: If that person is a 22-year-old fellow, no. If that person is somebody who is maybe using computers since only a week, and haven't grown up with them because they're, like, 60 years old, then yes: that's arrogant.
[06:41] <Matt|> alindeman, Amaranth, ubuntu bug i think: xchat-2.4.0 on my gentoo box does not do that
[06:41] <Amaranth> Matt|: Must be a Debian and Windows bug too, then. :P
[06:42] <Matt|> Amaranth, dunno about windows
[06:42] <Amaranth> btw, is this a fork of debian?
[06:42] <Matt|> yes
[06:42] <Matt|> *laughs*
[06:42] <Matt|> hence the repeated bugs
[06:42] <jazzka_> which line do I need to add to sources.list to get testing packages?
[06:42] <Amaranth> some people are arguing that it isn't
[06:42] <WebMaven> rapha, no it is not. Even the most clueless newbie is better served by being given tools to solve their own problem than by spoonfeeding.
[06:42] <Amaranth> just newer packages
[06:42] <Treenaks> but I've seen loads of ubuntu fixes in Debian packages..
[06:42] <Treenaks> (in plain debian)
[06:42] <Amaranth> yeah
[06:42] <Matt|> yeah they have worked on some of the packages
[06:42] <Matt|> not all of em
[06:42] <rapha> WebMaven: AFTER an appropriate time of literal hand-holding and guiding.
[06:43] <spiv> Amaranth: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/document_view
[06:43] <Amaranth> and if you said 'no' i was going to say 'how can I can't mix packages without problems then?'
[06:43] <Amaranth> s/how/why/
[06:43] <rapha> WebMaven: They'll only be able to help themselves once they're comfortable with their systems and not afraid of them.
[06:43] <spiv> Amaranth: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.7453904394
[06:43] <WebMaven> rapha, that isn't really something that you can do over IRC.
[06:44] <Amaranth> spiv: Not true.
[06:44] <spiv> Which part?
[06:44] <rapha> WebMaven: Well, I'm doing it whenever I can.
[06:44] <Amaranth> spiv: Debian sid sometimes gets so ahead it has cvs nighlies of gcc from 3 days ago.
[06:44] <WebMaven> rapha, is it more arrogant to say "go read the manual, and come back when you find something you don't understand", or to say "why should I have to read anything, just tell me the answer."?
[06:44] <Amaranth> warty can't match that, so it doesn't have all the same stuff
[06:45] <spiv> Amaranth: warty is *released*, of course it won't have cvs snapshots from 3 days ago :)
[06:45] <Amaranth> Wow, the longer I stay awake the less I seem coherent.
[06:45] <Matt|> *laughs*
[06:45] <thoreauputic> My instinct (an inappropriete one) , is to fire off a command | grep foo  sort of response, forgetting how intimidating the command line was for me when I started Linux...
[06:45] <rapha> WebMaven: Those people _I'm_ speaking of are not like that. They're very polite and you usually can tell them apart from the lazy questioners (like yours truly is one ;-) )
[06:45] <Matt|> i don't want cvs snapshots of gcc
[06:46] <citybird> does anyone else here use a netgear wg511
[06:46] <spiv> Amaranth: Also, while warty was in development, it had gnome 2.8 well before unstable did.
[06:46] <Amaranth> spiv: afaik sid still doesn't have it
[06:46] <Amaranth> thats why i started mixing packages to begin with
[06:47] <WebMaven> Well, my point was that the *perceived* arrogance (even in the *friendliest* support channels) is just a reaction to a large *number* (not percentage) of lazy questioners.
[06:47] <spiv> Amaranth: It's a trade-off either way.  But in general, most of the packages in debian can be found in ubuntu, and vice-versa, it's jsut version will vary (in both directions).
[06:47] <Amaranth> i wanted to use plain ubuntu but my install cd was screwed up but it didn't mess up until after it formatted
[06:47] <WebMaven> And thus, bears a direct linear relationship to popularity.
[06:47] <Amaranth> i found my sarge base system installer and went from there
[06:47] <phr0stbyte> lll
[06:48] <WebMaven> rapha, here is an example:
[06:48] <Amaranth> Will warty even gets things like Mono 1.0.4?
[06:48] <tseng> Amaranth: erm, no
[06:48] <spiv> Amaranth: warty is *released*.
[06:48] <WebMaven> on a list I am on, the questioner asked "how do I do x?"
[06:48] <thoreauputic> WebMaven: some are even worse than lazy - like the ones who are given valid answers and yet repeat the same question again and again...
[06:48] <WebMaven> the answer he got back was "by doing y"
[06:48] <Amaranth> Ok, so no Warty.1 or whatever :p
[06:48] <spiv> Amaranth: It's done.  The only updates are security fixes, serious dataloss bugs, and the calendar artwork :)
[06:49] <spiv> Amaranth: The next release will be hoary.
[06:49] <Amaranth> Just frozen, all updates through the security repository?
[06:49] <WebMaven> the questioner didn't like the answer.
[06:49] <WebMaven> and so said, "isn't there a specialized API?"
[06:49] <spiv> Amaranth: The warty-security archive and the warty-updates archive, yeah.
[06:49] <WebMaven> the original answere said, well, read the API documentation.
[06:49] <Matt|> rapha, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/local
[06:50] <Matt|> rapha, there is another german channel
[06:50] <Amaranth> Seems odd, I would have thought they would put newer things in warty repositories (not on a CD or anything) after they baked for awhile in hoary.
[06:50] <Amaranth> I guess I'm just used to Debian.
[06:50] <rapha> Oh
[06:50] <spiv> Amaranth: Hoary is being actively developed, although I haven't been following it.  Some feature goals are on the wiki.
[06:50] <Amaranth> And like every other open source project in existance. :P
[06:50] <WebMaven> to which the questioner started becoming abusive, and told the answerer to keep his worthless opinions to himself.
[06:50] <Matt|> rapha, oh no it is just a mailing list
[06:50] <Matt|> rapha, get your channel added to that
[06:51] <WebMaven> Now, people like that are very few and far between, *but*...
[06:51] <sch1fo> guys
[06:51] <WebMaven> the more popular a channel is, the larger there numbers are (even if they are a small percentage).
[06:51] <sch1fo> can anyone help me patch my orinoco driver once and for all ?
[06:51] <rapha> I will
[06:52] <rapha> Hmm
[06:52] <hurr> the orinoco classic?
[06:52] <rapha> It says to make yourself heard in #ubuntu.
[06:52] <hurr> it's the most supported, shouldnt be a problem
[06:52] <sch1fo> prism2 based
[06:52] <sch1fo> just want to get into monitor mode
[06:52] <hurr> oh so the newage
[06:52] <rapha> Hey everybody, could somebody please add irc.freenode.net/#ubuntu.de to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/local as the German support channel?
[06:52] <sch1fo> i have 0.13e
[06:53] <hurr> proxim?
[06:53] <rapha> s/support/help maybe
[06:53] <sch1fo> hurr, i've been trying all weekend
[06:53] <sch1fo> im a newb
[06:53] <WebMaven> on the list I was describing, the questioner stated getting a lot of well-deserved flak (on the RTFM level), but then stated acting like the poor abused newbie.
[06:53] <spiv> rapha: There's already a #ubuntu-de, isn't there?
[06:54] <spiv> rapha: #ubuntu-de    << ACTIVE >> created 4 weeks 6 days (2h 4m 6s) ago
[06:54] <Matt|> yes
[06:54] <WebMaven> it doesn't take a lot of experiences like that to get the experts to say only ask a question after you've tried to figure it out.
[06:54] <Matt|> but neither are on the website
[06:55] <spiv> I'd try asking on the mailing list and/or filing a website bug.  It's Sunday afternoon, after all :)
[06:55] <rapha> spiv: Then at least add ONE of those channels to that page?
[06:55] <WebMaven> For the record, the best advice I have seen for newbies is this: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[06:55] <spiv> rapha: I agree the page should be updated :)
[06:56] <spiv> I'm not the person you need to bug, though.  (I'm not sure who is)
[06:56] <rapha> Oh
[06:56] <rapha> Hmm
[06:56] <rapha> I'll wait.
[06:57] <thoreauputic> WebMaven: I agree - unfortunately the people who most need to read that link are the ones who don't read *any* links you give them, so...
[06:58] <robertj> In hoary, does anyone know what the skinny is with samba causing network browsing to stop working
[06:59] <phr0stbyte> Help! I am stuck in "failsafe term"! Gnome wont start...
[06:59] <Matt|> WebMaven, thoreauputic, a lot of easy questions can be answered by politely referring people to the faq and Wiki in the topic
[06:59] <bwlang> robertj: there's no skinny - setup wins and you should be all set.
[06:59] <robertj> bwlang: why does it stop the browsing from working though?
[06:59] <WebMaven> thoreauputic, I guess I'm just making the point that it is the willfully clueless that are the real problem, and that they get stomped on for very good reasons.
[07:00] <phr0stbyte> I dont have write permisions on my home partition - how can I fix this?
[07:00] <bwlang> robertj: because windows browsing is broken with out wins... i just went throught this with some other guy... he argued with me for a while, then installed wins and was happy
[07:00] <thoreauputic> WebMaven: yes.
[07:01] <robertj> bwlang: could you indulge me? It _seems_ to be working
[07:01] <Matt|> phr0stbyte, you could change the permissions
[07:01] <robertj> I see my workgroups, the computers, can copy files, etc
[07:01] <WebMaven> Matt|, what I'm saying is that some people consider that 'arrogant' behavior, because obviously I know the answer, so why won't I give it to them....
[07:01] <phr0stbyte> Matt|: I guess thats the point - how?
[07:01] <Matt|> WebMaven, yeah i understand ya. There are nice ways of referring people to faqs tho
[07:01] <Matt|> phr0stbyte, do you want just the owner to have write perms?
[07:01] <bwlang> robertj: uh - so what's the problem you're having.  The trouble with non wins name resolution is reliability.
[07:02] <robertj> bwlang: if I want to serve files, I install samba, and all the workgroups dissapear
[07:02] <phr0stbyte> Matt|: yes
[07:02] <WebMaven> Matt|, I *am* talking about nicely referring people to documentation.
[07:02] <Matt|> phr0stbyte, if so: chmod -R 722 /home/user
[07:02] <bwlang> robertj: well - yeah...
[07:02] <Matt|> WebMaven, sure that is fine
[07:03] <bwlang> robertj: without wins that kind of bs happens...
[07:03] <WebMaven> Matt| Beleive it or not, the bulk of the behaviour usually described as arrogant consists of "please go read this".
[07:03] <robertj> I did apt-cache search wins and didn't see anything
[07:03] <Matt|> WebMaven, it depends how it is phrased. If it is polite, then it is wrong described as arrogant
[07:03] <bwlang> robertj: it's already part of samba. you just have to enable it and point your windows boxes at the correct ip address.
[07:03] <phr0stbyte> Matt|: thanx
[07:04] <Matt|> WebMaven, a good one would be "have a read of http://..."
[07:04] <JorisK> hello, my totemplayer cannot play mpg and wmv files, anyone here knows why?
[07:04] <JorisK> It says : reason unknown
[07:04] <bwlang> have a look at the samba howto at samba.org - they explain it betten that i will.
[07:04] <phr0stbyte> matt|: fstab shows same settings as another partition that I can write to fine. That confuses me
[07:04] <Kal_Zakath_> JorisK : you need proprietary codecs
[07:04] <Matt|> phr0stbyte, uhoh now you've confused me.
[07:04] <JorisK> ah where can i download them Kal_Zakath_ ?
[07:05] <Kal_Zakath_> don't know
[07:05] <Matt|> phr0stbyte, to see the permissions do: ls -l /home/username
[07:05] <phr0stbyte> Matt|: fstab shows ominous "defailts 0  2"
[07:05] <phr0stbyte> *defaults
[07:06] <FallenHitokiri> how can I get the dialog to enter a username and a password if I want to access a share in the network?
[07:06] <Matt|> /
[07:07] <Matt|> ??
[07:07] <Jonex> If I order the free cd:s how long will deliviry take?
[07:07] <hurr> 10 years
[07:07] <sch1fo> probably 10 years
[07:07] <FallenHitokiri> Jonex: read the topic
[07:07] <jazzka_> can anyone please send me the default sources.list file?
[07:07] <jazzka_> I've deleted it :(
[07:07] <robertj> jazzka: it's on the wiki
[07:08] <jazzka_> URL?
[07:08] <Jonex> FallenHitokiri: Hmm, They aren't done yet?
[07:08] <robertj> www.ubuntulinxu.org/wiki
[07:09] <robertj> typo in linux on that url, but other than that...
[07:09] <thoreauputic> JorisK: add  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main  to your sources.list , I think such codecs are there
[07:09] <FallenHitokiri> Jonex: no the fairies they need to make the CDs hasn't arrieved. (see http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/index.php?t=archives&date=last)
[07:10] <WebMaven> How many people here use Python, Zope, or Plone?
[07:10] <baluba> mmmm lots of :)
[07:11] <WebMaven> baluba, which do you use?
[07:13] <robertj> anyone know a way to easily throttle down the bandwith going out of my computer?
[07:14] <robertj> I dont need to do it on an app by app basis
[07:14] <baluba> WebMaven, i don't, joking since no one answered you
[07:17] <maromaro> quit
[07:21] <vortex25> could someone tell me how to setup azureus to be the automatic handler for .torrent files?
[07:22] <chibifs> Erm, the command..
[07:22] <chibifs> I belive is in the documents for azureus
[07:22] <chibifs> o. O
[07:22] <lt_kije> vortex25: do you mean in firefox?
[07:23] <vortex25> sure, in gnome would be nice too
[07:24] <lt_kije> for firefox, make sure that in the downloads section of the preferences menu, you have "ask me where to save every file" checked -- it will prompt you for what to do next time you click on a .torrent
[07:24] <lt_kije> when you do that, click "do this every time" or sth like that.
[07:24] <vortex25> thanks
[07:24] <vortex25> makes sense
[07:25] <lt_kije> in gnome, right click on the file (eg movie.torrent).
[07:25] <lt_kije> select "properties"
[07:26] <lt_kije> the right-most tab is called "open with" -- you should be able to add azureus to that list.
[07:26] <vortex25> awesome
[07:28] <spektr> I was hunting down these xserver crashes all day long (standard warty with nvidia 6111 on a K6-II with a TNT2).  I can play solitair all day long, but the moment I *TYPE FAST* the xserver crashes immediately. Then I have to restart gdm from another box via ssh.  Slow typing still works. WTF?
[07:28] <lt_kije> is there a program you're typing in each time it crashes?
[07:29] <spektr> The gnome console - but it happens on the login prompt too.
[07:29] <lt_kije> can you make it crash by typing fast in eg openoffice?
[07:29] <vortex25> too fast for your computer eh? congratz ;)
[07:29] <spektr> I'll try openoffice, but I have to restart first...
[07:30] <spektr> I don't think that it has anything to do with the application.
[07:30] <Kabalk> would you suggest ubuntu over debian?
[07:30] <lt_kije> Kabalk: it depends on what you want to do.
[07:30] <Kabalk> just for a PC
[07:30] <lt_kije> Kabalk: ubuntu is really great for desktop use -- it's incredibly well designed and easy to use
[07:31] <Kabalk> it would be better then debian for desktop use then?
[07:31] <lt_kije> Kabalk: i've used debian for about 3 years and I liked it alot, but ubuntu is a more...complete desktop solution
[07:31] <Kabalk> ok great thanks :] 
[07:32] <lt_kije> i like debian for customizability and the huge amount of packages.
[07:32] <lt_kije> i like ubuntu because of the great design and interoperability and strong feature set
[07:32] <lt_kije> your choice :-)
[07:32] <WebMaven> Jonex, what do you use Python for (just curious)?
[07:33] <Jonex> WebMaven: Programming/Scripting? (last project was a script to extract 100mb mp3-files from my collection to put om my mp3-player)
[07:34] <kensai> Anyone is getting a performance boost with the k7 kernel?
[07:34] <WebMaven> Jonex, cool.
[07:36] <spektr> Wow, that's interesting - fast typing in openoffice doesn't seem to crash the xserver. The gnome terminal still does. Maybe it has something to do with the kind of font it is using? Just a theory....
[07:36] <kensai> I don't know but glxgears is giving more FPS now
[07:37] <lt_kije> spektr: well, it seems to be a gnome issue, then, not a xfree problem. still don't know what it is, though... :)
[07:38] <baluba> bye
[07:38] <kensai> Is a daly iso available of Hoary?
[07:39] <kensai> daily*
[07:39] <kensai> There was one for warty
[07:40] <Mithrandir> kensai: not yet, I think.
[07:40] <kensai> OK
[07:41] <spektr> lt_kije: Yup. I'll check all applications one after another and try to find something they have in common. But maybe the behaviour is purely random. People can see patterns even in white noise if they only wish hard enough that there is a pattern. :-)
[07:42] <cenerentola> for the italians: http://www.btlug.it/btlug/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4
[07:43] <markus_> Hi. Little question first: After some tuning of my Gnome 2.8 desktop, I can't activate the "Log out" functionality anymore. Clicking on it simply results in no action. Any idea?
[07:46] <jkka> easiest way to install the new nvdia drivers on ubuntu?
[07:46] <spektr> So much for my typing theory: firefox seemed to work when I typed fast, but then it crashed when I switched between menus. :-(
[07:47] <markus_> Another more strange behaviour: The system sets the Mobile-Pentium-III from 1 GHz to 733 MHz, but only if I click on Log Out (which miracuously works again at the moment), it switches to 1 GHz. If I press cancel again, it slows the CPU down to 733 MHz again. Where can I tweak these power-settings?
[07:47] <lt_kije> jikka: see http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto?action=highlight&value=nvidia
[07:55] <labanux> test
[07:55] <labanux> how can we control desktop preference on Gnome ?
[07:56] <labanux> in KDE we can use Control Center.., how about gnome?
[07:56] <labanux> the one thing that make me confused was, in KDE we can find Gnome control center ,but in GNome we can't find it
[07:56] <lt_kije> labanux: what do you want to do, specifically?
[07:57] <labanux> configure the theme of the desktop
[07:57] <lt_kije> in the "computer" menu (next to the applications menu at the top of your screen)'
[07:57] <lt_kije> go to desktop preferences, then choose "theme"
[07:58] <labanux> oh..., yeah...
[07:58] <labanux> sorry i haven't see it yet..
[07:58] <labanux> thanx
[07:58] <lt_kije> no problem
[07:58] <Kirsch> hey guys, i have a bin/cue i need to burn in linux, any ideas?
[07:59] <lt_kije> Kirsch: you can just right click on it and choose "burn iso", IIRC
[07:59] <Kirsch> ?
[07:59] <lt_kije> Kirsch: oh...sorry -- .bin/.cue...dunno if that works. hang on,
[08:00] <toffy> where download the devel iso?
[08:00] <labanux> is there any one can help me to fix bug in my ubuntu
[08:00] <labanux> my ubuntu can't acces the usb pen drive..
[08:01] <ben_> back
[08:01] <ben_> does anyone know how to tell powernowd to scale back the cpu
[08:01] <ben_> ?
[08:02] <labanux> i've heard from people ont the internet, that when we plug the usb pen drive to the computer, it should be shown an icon on the desktop
[08:02] <labanux> it doesn't happend
[08:02] <Kirsch> labanux: it should, yea... it doesn't for u?
[08:03] <ben_> try computer > disks
[08:03] <ben_> and see if it's there
[08:03] <labanux> meanwhile the /var/log/messages shows that the computer know the pen drive, it even can show the vendor, and the type
[08:03] <lt_kije> Kirsch: i don't see a gnome/gui option, but I know you can use the command line; see http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Burning_a_CDROM_from_a_bin/cue_file
[08:04] <labanux> computer > disk <--------------- it doesn't work to..
[08:04] <labanux> there's no usb pen icon there
[08:04] <lt_kije> labanux: did you change the default removable storage options?
[08:04] <Kirsch> go into terminal and type in mount, see if anything shows
[08:04] <labanux> i don't thing so
[08:05] <labanux> where can i edit the removable storage options?
[08:05] <Kirsch> u have to mount it...
[08:05] <lt_kije> computer>desktop preferences>removable storage
[08:07] <labanux> computer>desktop preferences>removable storage  <---- it still has it's default options
[08:07] <Kirsch> labanux: in prompt, type in "sudo mount" and paste the results at www.pastebin.com
[08:07] <ben_> anyone know how to scale back the cpu when running on battery?
[08:07] <Kirsch> ben_: mine just scales automatically, it bounces between 1.20GHz and 2.20GHz only on my P4M
[08:09] <ben_> Kirsch: nope, doesn't work for me. it runs right back up to 100% cpu whenever i load a webpage or something
[08:10] <Kirsch> what processor?
[08:10] <ben_> P3
[08:10] <Kirsch> are you sure it has stepping?
[08:10] <ben_> uhhh, i dunno
[08:10] <ben_> but i know that the battery life didn't suck this much on windows ;)
[08:10] <Kirsch> yea... linux is a power ho
[08:10] <Kirsch> g
[08:10] <ben_> and the cpu is the most power hungry part of the computer
[08:11] <Kirsch> ben_: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep stepping
[08:11] <labanux> sudo mount then paste to pastebin.com..???
[08:11] <ben_> i found a nifty guide for linux on laptops and making it use less power, but it was written for RHL
[08:11] <spiv> ben_: ubuntu uses powernowd
[08:12] <ben_> Kirsch: stepping       : 1
[08:12] <GnuHippy> does anybody know the module name for the VIA VT800 Pro chipset?
[08:12] <ben_> that's what it said
[08:12] <Kirsch> Yea, that means you can only have 1 speed, mine has stepping: 7
[08:12] <Kirsch> something else is sucking power, probably X
[08:13] <Kirsch> unless that doesn't mean that, but i'm assuming thats waht stepping: 1 menas
[08:13] <spiv> Kirsch: Eh?
[08:13] <ben_> Kirsch: well, can i make the cpu operate at 85% when running on battery, or is there no scaling at all?
[08:13] <spiv> stepping in /proc/cpuinfo refers to the revision of CPU.
[08:13] <Kirsch> oh
[08:13] <spiv> ben_: man powernowd
[08:13] <Kirsch> lol
[08:13] <Kirsch> ok
[08:13] <iz> avond maarten
[08:14] <ben_> what is the purpose of cpufreqd running then?
[08:14] <GnuHippy> does anybody know the module name for the VIA VT800 Pro chipset?
[08:14] <spiv> ben_: Excellent question.  I don't know.
[08:14] <pisuke> power saving
[08:14] <Kirsch> yay. cdrdao worked :-) thanks whoever gave that to me
[08:15] <billytwowilly> I'm on a laptop and the networking setup is driving me nuts;) Is it possible to set up preferred interfaces? Ie. Can I have the startup script try the 10/100 port, notice no cable is plugged in, skip it and try  a specific wireless setup and if AP isn't there then try and find an AP to bind to?
[08:15] <ben_> anyone have any experience with messing around with the apmd?
[08:15] <billytwowilly> ben_, Sorry, I used acpi when I was on suse and I haven't had to mess with the power saving stuff on ubuntu yet. it just worked;)
[08:16] <zopi> hi
[08:16] <zopi> does anybody arrive to set up speedtouch usb ?
[08:16] <labanux> I've bin paste the "sudo mount" command
[08:16] <shank_> billytwowilly, you luck sob
[08:16] <spiv> ben_: Reading the man pages, powernowd is just an interface between cpufreq and the 2.6 kernel.
[08:16] <shank_> lucky
[08:16] <labanux> what should i do next?
[08:17] <Kirsch> labanux: whats the URL?
[08:17] <ben_> spiv, well i'm a super linux newb, so i would know how to do that stuff :p
[08:17] <ben_> i tried to modify apm stuff, but i'm not sure if it worked
[08:17] <spiv> ben_: "man powernowd" :)
[08:17] <ben_> spiv: i know, i'm looking at it, but i don't get what it means, lol
[08:17] <spiv> ben_: there's a config file for cpufreqd in /etc/cpufreqd.conf
[08:17] <SuperL4g> any way to get Quicktime clips to play on Ubuntu?
[08:18] <spiv> ben_: (and see "man cpufreqd.conf")
[08:18] <Kirsch> labanux: do u see the last one? usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) i'm assuming that's the pen drive, remove the pendrive and run mount, see if that's gone
[08:18] <ben_> spiv "no manual entry"
[08:18] <SuperL4g> the only one that I know of, in Linux, that will play Quicktime, is mplayer, and I don't see that as an option in the main tree
[08:18] <billytwowilly> shank_, luck sob?
[08:18] <spiv> ben_: I'm just saying "man powernowd" is how I figured out the relationship between cpufreqd and powernowd.
[08:18] <spiv> ben_: Odd.
[08:18] <hurr> must get manually superl4g
[08:18] <shank_> billytwowilly, :-)
[08:18] <spiv> ben_: I have it on my system...
[08:18] <ben_> spiv: i don't think cpufreqd is actually working
[08:19] <hurr> superl4g: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94
[08:19] <Rhymes> )
[08:19] <spiv> ben_: Well, your CPU rate changes, yeah?
[08:19] <zopi> log here http://www.pastebin.com/117695
[08:19] <billytwowilly> shank_,  oh, I got it;) although I'm confused as to whether you think I'm lucky because I have a laptop or because the powersaving stuff just worked;)
[08:19] <ben_> spiv: the howto/article i was using told me do this test, and it didn't work
[08:19] <spiv> ben_: Which test?
[08:19] <ben_> hold on
[08:19] <spiv> SOrry, I haven't followed the conversation from the very start.
[08:20] <rapha> Hmm
[08:20] <ben_> spiv: "cat /proc/cpufreq"
[08:20] <rapha> How do I get a /dev/parport0 in Ubuntu?
[08:20] <ben_> spiv: "If you see both lines, CPUFreq is loaded in your kernel. If you see the first line, but don't see a CPU, then CPUFreq is available, but a driver isn't loaded."
[08:20] <rapha> VMWare says /dev/lp0 is deprecated...
[08:20] <ben_> i only see the first line
[08:20] <Kal_Zakath_> /proc/cpufreq is deprecated and useless
[08:20] <spiv> ben_: What does it show?
[08:21] <labanux> i've paste the "sudo mount" to pastebin.com
[08:21] <ben_> minimum CPU frequency    maximum CPU frequency    poli
[08:21] <ben_> that's it
[08:21] <Kirsch> rapha: i have /dev/parpor0, u might need to check your bios settings
[08:21] <Kirsch> make sure its on
[08:21] <labanux> i've unplugged the usb pen drive, then i run "sudo mount" again
[08:21] <Kirsch> if you are sure that /dev/lp0 is it, then u could just make a symbolic link
[08:21] <labanux> there's nothing change in the output of the command
[08:21] <shank_> billytwowilly, the power saving just worked
[08:22] <shank_> billytwowilly, although its not too painful to setup
[08:22] <Kirsch> do u have any other USB devices?
[08:22] <labanux> what should i do next?
[08:22] <labanux> yeah..
[08:22] <ben_> Kal_Zakath: what should i be doing to see if cpufreqd is operating correctly?
[08:22] <Kirsch> What?
[08:22] <billytwowilly> shank_, I'm on a centrino, which I think is a pretty standard platform, so that's probably why
[08:22] <ben_> powersaving probably didn't "just work" for me because acpi wouldn't work on my laptop
[08:22] <Kal_Zakath_> ben_ : cat /proc/cpuinfo
[08:22] <Kal_Zakath_> and see if frencency change
[08:22] <labanux> i have 2 usb pen drive from different vendor
[08:23] <GnuHippy> how do I kill my xserver without restarting it?
[08:23] <hurr> buy a gun
[08:23] <Kirsch> LOL
[08:23] <spiv> Kal_Zakath_: That's not reliable.
[08:23] <labanux> but, both of them get the same "error" on my ubuntu
[08:23] <Kal_Zakath_> spiv : of course it is
[08:23] <david333> hello there
[08:23] <spiv> Kal_Zakath_: e.g. it doesn't update on my system, but other meters, like the GNOME applet, show changes.
[08:23] <Kal_Zakath_> spiv : you test it while system is on idle
[08:23] <Kirsch> GnuHippy: killall -9 x ?
[08:24] <Kal_Zakath_> then you test it at full charge
[08:24] <Kirsch> or rather killall -9 X ?
[08:24] <david333> can someone tell me how to upgrade gnome 2.8 to 2.8.1 ?
[08:24] <Kirsch> i would just do CTRL-ALT-Backspace
[08:24] <JStrike> Has anyone made Ubuntu debs for Coaster yet?
[08:24] <Kal_Zakath_> spiv : then cpufreq isn't working for you
[08:24] <GnuHippy> Kirsch that doesn't work
[08:24] <GnuHippy> I cant
[08:24] <GnuHippy> it just restarts x
[08:24] <spiv> Kal_Zakath_: My apologies, it appears you are right.
[08:24] <GnuHippy> I want to do console login
[08:25] <david333> gnuhippy what console lohin?
[08:25] <spiv> I thought I'd inspected that a little more closely, or perhaps this kernel's ACPI support fixed it.
[08:25] <spiv> Kal_Zakath_: Thanks for the correction :)
[08:25] <GnuHippy> like running in runlevel 3
[08:25] <david333> can someone tell me how to upgrade gnome 2.8 to 2.8.1 ?
[08:25] <Kal_Zakath_> you're welcome
[08:25] <GnuHippy> except I dont want to reboot
[08:26] <Kal_Zakath_> david333 : why would you do that ?
[08:26] <david333> have some gnome errors
[08:26] <shank_> anyone know of an app that can convert to .ico files?
[08:26] <Kal_Zakath_> david333 : wich kind of errors ?
[08:26] <hurr> convert what to ico
[08:26] <david333> xkb
[08:26] <spiv> ben_: Perhaps "sudo /etc/init.d/cpufreqd stop && sudo cpufreqd -D -V 7"?
[08:26] <rapha> Kirsch: My par port is enabled --- and I can use /dev/lp0
[08:27] <Matt|> david333, i'm sure that you can solve those errors without updating :)
[08:27] <Kal_Zakath_> david333 : and ?
[08:27] <spiv> ben_: To make put it in debug mode (from reading the man page, I haven't tried that command)
[08:27] <Kirsch> rapha: then make a symbolic link from /dev/lp0 to /dev/parport0
[08:27] <Kal_Zakath_> Matt| : that's also what I think :)
[08:27] <Kirsch> unless someone objects in herea bout that?
[08:27] <david333> how?
[08:27] <Kirsch> GnuHippy: uh... 1sec
[08:27] <Kal_Zakath_> david333 : what's the error exactly ?
[08:27] <Kirsch> GnuHippy: kill gdm, and X
[08:28] <shank_> hurr, i have a svg file, so i can generate png or any  bitmap format
[08:28] <shank_> but don't know anything for .ico
[08:28] <david333> Error activating XKB configuration
[08:28] <Kirsch> shark_: svg = librsvg
[08:28] <GnuHippy> bash: kill: gdm: arguments must be process or job IDs
[08:28] <david333> matt :Error activating XKB configuration
[08:28] <ben_> spiv: huh?
[08:29] <shank_> Kirsch, yes, i have svg, but i want to generate a .ico file
[08:29] <Kal_Zakath_> david333 : when does it occurs ?
[08:29] <Kirsch> oh, convert it
[08:29] <Kirsch> :-P
[08:29] <Kirsch> man convert
[08:29] <david333> when i logon
[08:29] <Kirsch> shank_:  if u don't have convert, do sudo apt-get install imagemagick
[08:29] <david333> remotely
[08:29] <shank_> Kirsch, don't got that, guess i'll have to install it, but found it weird gimp couldn't handle it
[08:29] <Matt|> david333, i'm thinking you have the wrong settings in your XF86Config-4 file
[08:29] <shank_> Kirsch, thanx
[08:29] <spiv> ben_: Perhaps running cpufreqd in debug mode (with that command) would reveal something useful.
[08:29] <Matt|> david333, but i'm not an expert
[08:30] <Kirsch> shank_: imagmagick is great, u just do "convert source.png dest.ico"
[08:30] <Kirsch> it will know the format already if u have the libs
[08:30] <shank_> Kirsch, i've used imagemagik i bit
[08:30] <Kirsch> ah ok
[08:30] <shank_> i know its been around forever
[08:30] <Kirsch> then u should be all set
[08:30] <david333> matt it appears when i logon remotely
[08:30] <shank_> :-)
[08:30] <shank_> Kirsch, just don't deal with gfx too often :-)
[08:30] <Matt|> david333, ok
[08:30] <Kirsch> I gotcha.
[08:30] <shank_> Kirsch, just working on a web site redesign for a project
[08:30] <david333> i am using my machine as a terminal server
[08:30] <Kirsch> Did anyone here get Firefox RC2?
[08:31] <[Siff] > Kirsch: where to d/l?
[08:31] <Kirsch> it's on their FTP. i see a kinda big bug, i wanted to know if anyone else saw it?
[08:31] <hurr> which bug would that be
[08:31] <Kirsch> 1sec, i'll screen shot it
[08:31] <david333> matt :i am using my machine as a terminal server
[08:32] <Matt|> Kirsch, what is the bug
[08:32] <Matt|> david333, it's Matt|
[08:32] <Kirsch> the find "window" at the bottom, the icons are wrong
[08:32] <david333>  matt| sorry
[08:32] <Matt|> david333, could the problem still be with your XFconfig?
[08:32] <hurr> screenshot please
[08:32] <rapha> Kirsch: parport0 has completely different major/minor numbers than lp0. It would not make any sense. It's other technology.
[08:32] <hurr> since rc1 they changed the find dropdown
[08:32] <david333> matt| maybe but where?
[08:32] <rapha> Well, we'll probably have to compile our own kernel then.
[08:33] <Matt|> david333, good question, not sure
[08:33] <david333> one thing i have to say is that ubuntu is great for terminal server
[08:33] <Matt|> hurr, are you good with firefox?
[08:33] <hurr> matt: not bad why?
[08:33] <Kirsch> Firefox RC2 Bug?: http://kirsch.ivillage.cc/ubuntu/firefox_bug.jpg
[08:34] <Matt|> hurr, can you gimme your opinion on this bug: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3302
[08:35] <Kirsch> is RC1, PR and RC2 different releases (i'm assuming RC2 and PR are different, but what about RC1)?
[08:36] <hurr> kirsch: yes different
[08:36] <Kal_Zakath_> david333 : have you this line in you XF86Config-4 : Option "XkbRules"   "xfree86"
[08:36] <hurr> pr was first, then rc1, then rc2
[08:36] <icu> Matt|: You had any luck with the acpi bug yet?
[08:37] <spiv> PR = "Preview Release", RC1 = "Release Candidate 1"
[08:37] <Matt|> icu, nope
[08:37] <hurr> matt|: so ff1.0rc1/flash worked fine in warty?
[08:37] <hurr> but not since hoary?
[08:37] <Matt|> hurr, no warty uses 0.9.3
[08:37] <Matt|> you think it is a firefox bug?
[08:37] <Pizbit_> Flash has worked in all firefox releases since, oh, 0.6 or so:)
[08:37] <icu> Matt|: Could it be an issue with using grub over lilo?
[08:38] <Matt|> icu, not sure
[08:38] <hurr> that is odd
[08:38] <Matt|> Pizbit, it has always worked for me until this build
[08:38] <phr0stbyte> Can any1 tell me how to use esound instead of oss?
[08:38] <zopi> je vais essayer de compiler
[08:38] <Pizbit_> Anyway, I shouldn't be on irc, got to get ready to go do 8 hours of nasty study(probably only 8 minutes, but what the heck!0 :D
[08:38] <Kirsch> it's not a bug
[08:39] <Kirsch> I just asked the firefox people about that find, it's my theme, fyi
[08:39] <Kirsch> CrazyFred> Kirsch: You need to update your theme. There was a change to the icons for the find toolbar
[08:39] <Pizbit_> Yeah, it was changed due to some sites reloading on resize.
[08:39] <david333> kal_kazath : yes i have it
[08:41] <david333> kal_zakath : yes i have it
[08:42] <avatar> hello:)
[08:42] <avatar> was wondering if there is any way i can select an XF86Config-4 to use at boot time?
[08:42] <phr0stbyte> Can any1 tell me how to use esound instead of oss?
[08:42] <phr0stbyte> (as the sound server)
[08:43] <hurr> matt|: do you have the flash xpt in the installation directory
[08:44] <hurr> under flash/plugins bring the .xpt file to ff main dir
[08:44] <Matt|> erm
[08:44] <Matt|> matt@kallisto:/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins $ ls
[08:44] <Matt|> flashplayer.xpt  libflashplayer.so  mozplugger.so  raclass.zip  rpnp.so
[08:45] <Matt|> where should it be?
[08:45] <shank_> anybody recommand a place to get sun's jvm?
[08:45] <hurr> and quit firefox and delete the xpti.dat file then reload to recognize the xpcom
[08:46] <Matt|> hurr, where exactly do i need to put the .xpt file?
[08:46] <Matt|> hurr, you have to talk to me like a n00b please :)
[08:47] <hurr> copy the .xpt's to the main dir
[08:47] <hurr> then delete the xpti.dat file in main dir
[08:47] <hurr> then reload ff
[08:47] <Ruffian|JANE|> hi
[08:48] <Matt|> hurr, main directory as in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox?
[08:48] <Matt|> hurr, do i also need to copy libflashplayer.so
[08:48] <hurr> wouldn't hurt if it's a copy and not the only one
[08:50] <hurr> do you have a components directory
[08:50] <Matt|> hurr, my xpti.dat file is not in the main dir, it is in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components: still delete?
[08:50] <Matt|> yeah
[08:50] <hurr> copy them there
[08:50] <hurr> (make sure ff isnt running)
[08:51] <hurr> delete xpti.dat file
[08:51] <hurr> reload ff
[08:51] <hurr> then try
[08:51] <Matt|> ok
[08:51] <Matt|> i will try
[08:51] <nefertati> i want to send  a file to my memory stick how can i do that?
[08:51] <usual> cool, I have a cron job that sends my dynamic IP to me everyday on my gmail account
[08:52] <hurr> usual: your ip changes that much?
[08:52] <usual> hurr, no, but I would rather have it than not
[08:52] <hurr> my "dynamic" ip hasn't changed in over 2 years
[08:52] <hurr> my isp calls them dynamic but seem to be static
[08:52] <usual> hurr, mine stays the same for a LONGGG time but that one day it changes
[08:52] <Pugio> hello
[08:52] <pisuke> how can I add an enlightenment session to gdm?
[08:52] <Pugio> need a little help in installing if anyone's up for it
[08:52] <usual> if you reboot the cable modem does it get a new address?
[08:52] <Matt|> hurr, actually now I cannot find xpti.dat at all
[08:53] <Matt|> hurr, i was using an old slocate database
[08:53] <Matt|> :(
[08:53] <kensai> There has been no update in Hoary since yesterday? am I right?
[08:54] <hurr> then dont worry about the xpti.dat
[08:54] <hurr> see what happens
[08:54] <Matt|> kensai, correct
[08:54] <Matt|> hurr, ok am firing it up now
[08:54] <kensai> Ok I'm so desperate LOL
[08:55] <Matt|> hurr, no change
[08:55] <Matt|> kensai, it is a sunday
[08:55] <rebirth> how come when i apt-get install php4 i dont get the command 'php' ??
[08:55] <kensai> Matt|, yeah developers maybe at church
[08:55] <kensai> ;)
[08:55] <rebirth> highly annoying ;(
[08:55] <Matt|> kensai, perhaps they have families... lives
[08:56] <kensai> Matt|, Yeah I know I'm just kidding
[08:56] <Matt|> :)
[08:56] <Pugio> I'm trying to install on a ppc G4
[08:56] <Pugio> but I'm getting some problems
[08:56] <Pugio> namely: kernel panic attempted to kill init
[08:56] <hurr> matt, you copied the .xpt's from plugins to components?
[08:56] <Pizbit_> Matt|: Monday here:)
[08:56] <Pugio> *ahem* ok I guess I'll just switch to gentoo then
[08:56] <Matt|> damn aussies
[08:56] <gorlist> hey i've got a pentium @ 133mhz and 16mb ram. can i run linux on it?
[08:57] <Pugio> yes
[08:57] <Matt|> gorlist, yup
[08:57] <Matt|> gorlist, great computer
[08:57] <bwlang> gorlist: sure
[08:57] <Pizbit_> Matt|: I'm not an aussie:P
[08:57] <Pugio> wow that was a fast response
[08:57] <Pugio> look how fast people respond here
[08:57] <hurr> don't expect much from x
[08:57] <Matt|> Pugio, you don't get a fast response because no one knows the answer :(
[08:57] <Pugio> I know
[08:57] <Matt|> Pizbit_, whereabouts?
[08:57] <Pugio> ok, how about this then
[08:57] <Pizbit_> Matt|: New Zealand
[08:57] <hurr> matt, did you copy the .xpt's from the plugins dir?
[08:57] <Matt|> Pizbit_, ah sorry
[08:57] <Matt|> hurr, yes
[08:57] <Pugio> I installed YDL on the same system, could the yaboot be interefering with each other?
[08:58] <Pizbit_> Matt|: Now, if you were within striking distance... *grin*
[08:58] <Matt|> *grins*
[08:58] <Matt|> Pizbit_, i guess that was insulting sorry
[08:58] <gorlist> lol yeah it's an old one
[08:58] <Pugio> ok, how about "bad access area"
[08:58] <Pugio> anyone know that one?
[08:58] <gorlist> which distro should i install then on that box?
[08:58] <gorlist> and what gui?
[08:58] <rebirth> gorlist, which?
[08:58] <hurr> do you have a npswf file in the plugins dir matt
[08:58] <rebirth> oh
[08:59] <rebirth> you won't get a gui
[08:59] <Matt|> hurr, no, this is all i have:
[08:59] <Matt|> matt@kallisto:/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox $ ls plugins/
[08:59] <Matt|> flashplayer.xpt  libflashplayer.so  mozplugger.so  raclass.zip  rpnp.so
[08:59] <rebirth> i had a 166 @ 50mb ram that ran blackbox ok
[08:59] <bwlang> gorlist: uh - do you know you're in the ubunto channel.....  people are going to say ubuntu
[08:59] <Matt|> rebirth, i think a gui is possible
[09:00] <Matt|> gorlist, how about redhat 7?
[09:00] <Pugio> gentoo
[09:00] <Pugio> it'll work better:)
[09:00] <rebirth> Matt|, I doubt it with 16mb ram
[09:00] <Pugio> just kidding
[09:00] <Pugio> I'm just frustrated is all
[09:00] <bwlang> Pugio: yeah afer you complile for 2 months straight ;)
[09:00] <Matt|> Pugio, mac support is tricky on ubuntu i think
[09:00] <rebirth> gorlist & Matt|, it'll run blackbox probably, but if you want kde or gnome or anything above blackbox then you best get some more ram
[09:01] <avatar> dumb questions: which is the default runlevel?
[09:01] <Matt|> rebirth, yup
[09:01] <Matt|> avatar, 2
[09:01] <avatar> cheers :)
[09:01] <rebirth> hmms
[09:01] <gorlist> blackbox would run with 16mb ram?
[09:01] <rebirth> still can't get this php working from apt
[09:01] <rebirth> gorlist, most probably
[09:01] <Matt|> gorlist, i think X needs about 8
[09:01] <Matt|> give the kernel 4
[09:01] <Matt|> so maybe
[09:01] <Matt|> just about
[09:01] <rebirth> but once in there, you'll be struggling to open things, mozilla forget it
[09:01] <rebirth> terms yea
[09:01] <Matt|> would have to be l33t system tho
[09:02] <fissy> does ubuntu have a redhat-artwork package?
[09:02] <Matt|> fissy, there is one around apparently
[09:02] <Matt|> fissy, check the debian sites
[09:02] <gorlist> what's x?
[09:02] <Pugio> the windowing system
[09:02] <gorlist> gui=x ?
[09:02] <rebirth> the gui for x, window system
[09:02] <gorlist> oh k
[09:03] <fissy> there is the wonderland engine but thats not the same thing
[09:03] <fissy> Matt|, i've got a source rpm, but i don't quite know what to do with it?
[09:03] <Matt|> fissy, there are debs around
[09:03] <hurr> well it appears it is a bug in 1.0's currently, found it on bugzilla
[09:03] <bwlang> anybody remember how to run something like this  find -name ".svn" | xargs rm -f  ... i have something wrong - it just hangs.
[09:03] <hurr> matt, in newest 1.0, supposed to have an auto discovery
[09:04] <hurr> it's actually a plugin installtion issue, but ff still doesn't find them correctly
[09:04] <hurr> because with each new version they change
[09:04] <nefertati> i want to send a file to usb memeory stick. how can do that? it says that cant mount
[09:04] <Pizbit_> nefertati: Why can't it mount? What does the error say?
[09:04] <fissy> Matt|, i'm new to ubuntu and debian, where would i look for debs?
[09:05] <Matt|> fissy, no idea, i am new myself
[09:05] <hurr> matt|: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=162155&action=view
[09:05] <rebirth> any idea why when i apt-get install php4 i don't get the php command from cli ?
[09:05] <Matt|> hurr, so i should give up you think? should i remove that bug?
[09:05] <Pizbit> hurr: What type of cpu? amd64?
[09:06] <ogra> hey guys....
[09:06] <hurr> what type of cpu for what?
[09:06] <WebMaven> Where can I find information on the 'package selection process', as referenced here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/participate
[09:06] <hurr> wrong link matt
[09:07] <nefertati> pizbit_ unable to mount the selected volume mount: i could not determine the filesystem typeand none was specified
[09:07] <Matt|> hurr, ?
[09:07] <ogra> fissy: use synaptic....on your system...https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticTutorial/
[09:08] <Pizbit> nefertati: What file system is on it?
[09:08] <nefertati> pizbit_ what do u mean?
[09:08] <Matt|> fissy, you can convert the rpm to a deb with a program called alien it seems
[09:08] <Pizbit> nefertati: fat32? ntfs?
[09:08] <nefertati> pizbit_ inlixux is linux ext2
[09:09] <rebirth> 3 isnt it? :o
[09:09] <fissy> ogra, thanks, whats the package called though?
[09:09] <Pizbit> nefertati: So, the usb stick is ext2? That's unusual.
[09:09] <WebMaven> Hmm. Google doesn't have any more info for me: http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+%22Package+Selection+Proposal%22
[09:10] <ogra> fissy: which one ? (i just stepped in here)
[09:10] <nefertati> pizbit_ windows in ntfs
[09:10] <Matt|> ogra, he/she wants redhat-artwork
[09:10] <nefertati> is*
[09:10] <ogra> Matt| ohh .... alien will be his friend ;)
[09:10] <Matt|> fissy, sudo alien -d redhat-artwork-0.88-1.i386.rpm
[09:10] <Pizbit> nefertati: That's irrevelent, what is the usb stick? ntfs? fat32...?
[09:11] <fissy> Matt|, i've got a source rpm, what would i do in that case?
[09:11] <thoreauputic> Pizbit: I doubt that she knows - she hasn't used Linux much
[09:11] <Matt|> fissy, get the normal package
[09:11] <spiv> WebMaven: Look on the wiki
[09:11] <spiv> WebMaven: Look at the pages about HoaryHedgehog
[09:11] <Pizbit> mmkay
[09:11] <Matt|> fissy, ftp://ftp.linux.ncsu.edu/pub/fedora/linux/core/1/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/redhat-artwork-0.88-1.i386.rpm
[09:11] <nefertati> piz_bit_ i think fat 32
[09:11] <fissy> cheers :)
[09:11] <Matt|> fissy, i386 right?
[09:11] <thoreauputic> Pizbit: I have a dcc chat happening and was away - I'll try to help her
[09:11] <fissy> yep
[09:11] <spiv> WebMaven: I expect discussion probably takes place on the ubuntu-devel list, too
[09:11] <Pizbit> nefertati: Try unplugging it, run 'sudo modprobe vfat'(use your user password) and plug it in again
[09:12] <fissy> though why ubuntu uses i386..... :s
[09:12] <Pizbit> If that works put vfat on a line of it's own in /etc/modules
[09:12] <Matt|> fissy, ???
[09:12] <Pizbit> thoreauputic: Thanks, I gota run, train to catch!:)
[09:12] <thoreauputic> OK
[09:12] <thoreauputic> :)
[09:12] <HWolf> Can anyone help me setting up vmware? I screwed up
[09:12] <fissy> given that it is focused on an environment that really needs a 300MHz processor, why is it not compiled for i686
[09:13] <Matt|> fissy, in case people want to run it on less
[09:13] <fissy> what would the point in that be though?
[09:13] <fissy> would you really want to run gnome 2.8 on a computer slower than 166MHz
[09:14] <Mithrandir> fissy: given enough CPUs, it should be ok-ish. :)
[09:14] <Matt|> fissy, guess not
[09:14] <Matt|> ogra, ok
[09:14] <fissy> Mithrandir, :P
[09:14] <ogra> http://www.grawert.net/software/mrburns/
[09:14] <Matt|> fissy, that package works, i've installed it
[09:15] <fissy> how did you then install the deb?
[09:15] <Matt|> dpkg -i .deb
[09:15] <fissy> ahh, not apt-get then
[09:15] <fissy> ty
[09:15] <HWolf> For Gnome, wouldn't it be a good idea to combine the GDM, background and window manager themes in one place, so you could select an entire theme, rather then having to set theme, gdm and background manually?
[09:16] <Mithrandir> HWolf: gdm theme is a system theme, while background and wm theme are both per-user.
[09:16] <Matt|> fissy, also look for gdm-theme-bluecurve-0.1.1-1.deb if you want a bluecurve gdm screen
[09:17] <Matt|> it is a debian bluecurve login screen :)
[09:19] <bwlang> HWolf: i can help you ... i think
[09:20] <fissy> Matt|, did you find it put the engines in /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.2.0/engines/ instead of /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/engines/
[09:20] <Matt|> fissy, no idea
[09:20] <Matt|> fissy, i found it worked
[09:20] <fissy> hmm, its not worked, its just a colour scheme on the default gnome theme
[09:20] <Matt|> fissy, yeah it is in those directories
[09:21] <Matt|> fissy, i have installed it and my theme has changed
[09:21] <Matt|> fissy, although i'm about to revert back ;)
[09:21] <fissy> why is the bluecurve metacity theme so huge!"
[09:22] <Matt|> it sucks ass
[09:22] <fissy> i think i'll need to play with that theme, somethings gone wrong there
[09:22] <fissy> its not how it looked in gentoo
[09:22] <Matt|> fissy, i remember in fedora it was quite heavy anyhow
[09:22] <Matt|> fissy, i'll use the gdm screen tho
[09:23] <fissy> i'm quite a fan of the default ubuntu gdm
[09:23] <Matt|> fissy, ah for me it is the wrong colour
[09:23] <Matt|> fissy, i like everything to be blue
[09:27] <TuxRox> Anyone have a Palm T5 working under Ubuntu?
[09:28] <rhpk> good evening...
[09:28] <rhpk> ... at least in Italy....
[09:28] <Matt|> hello
[09:28] <alvariux> somebody knows where i can download ubuntu kernel source
[09:28] <Matt|> rhpk, #ubuntu-it
[09:29] <rhpk> Just got Ubuntu installed on my laptop....
[09:29] <Matt|> alvariux, you can use synaptic
[09:29] <ogra> alvariux: look for linux-source in synaptic
[09:29] <rhpk> Matt|: thanks, I'll stay here for a while....
[09:29] <Matt|> rhpk, both?
[09:29] <Matt|> ask your question here tho
[09:29] <rhpk> Matt|: no multithread support for my brain in this version.....
[09:29] <JeffreyB> Help! I'm trying to install Vmware on a fresh default install of Ubantu and get this: What is the location of the "gcc" program on your machine?
[09:30] <Matt|> rhpk, update firmware?
[09:30] <rhpk> Matt|: yes, asap, but not now :-)
[09:30] <Matt|> JeffreyB, do you have the package gcc installed?
[09:30] <alvariux> thanks
[09:30] <rhpk> Matt|: I'm really impressed with ubuntu...
[09:30] <TuxRox> Has anyone got a USB palm pilot to work on Ubuntu. I don't know what device to use, i.e. /dev/pilot, /dev/ttyS0, /dev/USB0....
[09:30] <rhpk> Matt| I've just switched from a Gentoo... I got sick of all those compilations....
[09:30] <JeffreyB> Matt|, Guess not... If it dosent install by default.
[09:30] <Matt|> rhpk, heh. i run gentoo on my desktop
[09:31] <Matt|> JeffreyB, nope
[09:31] <Matt|> JeffreyB, sudo apt-get install gcc
[09:31] <spiv> JeffreyB: apt-get install biuld-essential
[09:31] <rhpk> Matt|: not anymore for me, anyway....
[09:31] <spiv> build-essential, rather.
[09:31] <JeffreyB> I'll install... Just do "apt-get install gcc" ?
[09:31] <JeffreyB> OK will do thanks!
[09:31] <ogra> JeffreyB: build-essential
[09:31] <Matt|> JeffreyB, build-essential will give you all the necessar tools
[09:31] <Matt|> not just gcc
[09:31] <rhpk> Matt|: do you know if ubuntu's mutt is supporting header cache for Imap?
[09:31] <JeffreyB> Sweet!
[09:31] <Matt|> rhpk, don't ask me:)
[09:32] <Matt|> rhpk, ogra will tell you the answer ;p
[09:32] <rhpk> Matt|: thanks!
[09:32] <rhpk> ogra: tell me the answer, please: does ubuntu's mutt support header cache for IMAP server?
[09:33] <ogra> rhpk: sorry i really dont know....i never used mutt :/
[09:33] <Matt|> ogra, tell him the answer!
[09:33] <Matt|> *laughs*
[09:33] <ogra> *g*
[09:33] <Mojo_Jojo> Hi, I have an odd problem I can't right click on my desktop and my "Home" wont open up.
[09:34] <hypa7ia> hey folks, i'm trying to get video acceleration working with an older ATI card, should i be using the fglrx drivers for this or something else?
[09:34] <ogra> but i know here are a lot mutt user inside .....
[09:34] <Matt|> Mojo_Jojo, you probably need to restart nautilus
[09:34] <JeffreyB> orga...Matt|... Now I need to install C header files... :?
[09:34] <rhpk> ogra: good boys....
[09:34] <Mojo_Jojo> Matt|, how do I do that, doesnt loging out do that?
[09:34] <rhpk> rhpk: oh well, I'll just check it out :-)
[09:34] <Matt|> Mojo_Jojo, yeah try loggin out and in
[09:34] <Mojo_Jojo> I did
[09:34] <Matt|> Mojo_Jojo, damn
[09:35] <Dennis_k> i have one question, cani install the nvidia drivers from the nvidia website?
[09:35] <bigt> hi: i have a newbie question if anyone doesn't mind: i tried to install ubuntu and it kept on giving me read only file system so i rebooted and it told me to remount it with the rw/ flags i did that now all i get is a shell prompt how do i get the gui to work?
[09:35] <ogra> Dennis_k: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:35] <Mojo_Jojo> i'll try loging out again :/
[09:35] <Dennis_k> Ive tried that ogra
[09:35] <Dennis_k> did'nt work for me
[09:35] <ogra> Dennis_k: should work
[09:35] <Dennis_k> nope
[09:35] <ogra> Dennis_k: warty or hoary ?
[09:36] <Dennis_k> warty
[09:36] <ogra> Dennis_k: _must_ work....strange
[09:36] <Dennis_k> when i use apt-get install nvidia-gfx there nothing
[09:36] <ogra> Dennis_k: then try glx
[09:37] <Dennis_k> nope, nothing to be found
[09:37] <ogra> Dennis_k: have you got universe enabled ?
[09:37] <Dennis_k> yes
[09:38] <Dennis_k> i have edited my sources.list
[09:38] <ogra> Dennis_k: what does dpkg -l nvidia-glx say
[09:38] <Dennis_k> and removed the " # "
[09:38] <Mojo_Jojo> Matt|it now says it detected a palen already running and now I cant login :(
[09:39] <Dennis_k> Uhmm, ill trie and translate it from dutch
[09:39] <Mojo_Jojo> *panel not palen haha
[09:40] <Dennis_k> under the name it say nvidia, the version is unknown
[09:40] <Dennis_k> version is none, discription unknown
[09:40] <Mojo_Jojo> anyone??? I can't login :(
[09:41] <ogra> Denn: does the line start with "un" or with "ii"
[09:41] <bigt> if i type aptitude and then go to uninstalled and put a + in it and hit f10 and install thats the correct way to install the programs right?
[09:42] <Pugio> just checking again: anyone here know anything about the ppc versions?
[09:43] <georgia> anything in particular Pugio?
[09:43] <ogra> Pugio: i installed a G3 imac last week....im not a ppc user though
[09:43] <Pugio> well yes
[09:43] <Pugio> I'm getting some error messages
[09:43] <Pugio> on a G4 agp
[09:43] <Pugio> 400 mhz
[09:43] <Pugio> I can't even boot the installer
[09:44] <georgia> what messages?
[09:44] <Pugio> I get as far as yaboot when I type install, then I get "kernel panic attemtped to kill init"
[09:44] <Pugio> and it reboots
[09:44] <Pugio> some other messages before that seem to say something about initializing PCI
[09:44] <ogra> Pugio: looks like your CD is corrupt, try burning slower
[09:45] <Pugio> "PCI: Enabling device 0001:02:040 (000 -> 0003)
[09:45] <Pugio> and then: "Oops Kernel access of bad area, sig:11 [#1] "
[09:45] <Pugio> erm yes well
[09:45] <Pugio> that would be a problem
[09:46] <Pugio> space is sort of at a premium on my system and I deleted the image as soon as I burned it
[09:46] <Pugio> probably shouldn't have:)
[09:46] <HWolf> Holy shit. For fun I added hoary to my sources.lst -- 59 packages will be held back, 434 packages will be upgraded. 240mb will be downloaded
[09:46] <georgia> Pugio: probably not
[09:46] <ogra> Pugio: i dunno if its on the ppc version too, but there should be a option to check the medium before boot
[09:47] <Pugio> ?
[09:47] <ogra> HWolf: for _fun_ ??
[09:47] <Pugio> well there's some sort of check type file on the disk
[09:47] <Pugio> I think it can be used to verify disk
[09:47] <HWolf> checking how much there would be updated.
[09:47] <ogra> HWolf: lol
[09:47] <Pugio> what's weird tho is that it booted fine on my iBook
[09:47] <HWolf> I'm not switching untill I can be sure I don't have to reinstall x.org every day.
[09:47] <ogra> Pugio: same disk ?
[09:48] <Pugio> yup
[09:48] <ogra> Pugio: not a medium issue then
[09:48] <Pugio> it coulda gotten scratched i the interim I guess
[09:48] <Matt|> HWolf, better give it some time
[09:48] <HWolf> matt| That's exactly the idea.
[09:48] <Pugio> well, anyone know when they're shipping the cd's then?
[09:49] <Matt|> Pugio, see the topic: generally a couple of weeks
[09:49] <HWolf> Ideally, I'll wait untill X.org and Gnome 2.10 are in. So, I'll be conservative and stick to the release-cycle. Was just wondering how much packages got updated. :-)
[09:49] <Pugio> ah well then
[09:49] <TerminX> hmm.. I noticed in Hoary, a good chunk of the boot process output is obscured.. how do I get it to display?
[09:49] <Pugio> let me try and see if those gentoo disks I had lying around will work
[09:50] <ogra> TerminX: all stored in /var/log/dmesg
[09:51] <stoneguy> Could anyone point me directions on how to get my mounted vfat partitions to show up as icons on the desktop?
[09:52] <ua-nyman> Hi, I have problems getting a dual boot with winXP and Ubuntu. Ive tried Lilo and GRUB but neither works. Any ideas?
[09:52] <Phr0stByte> Anyone have a clue as to why I have to install my nVidia driver everytime I boot the system?
[09:54] <seacyd> hi
[09:54] <HWolf> What is the directory that contains the init directories (rc0.d/ to rc6.d/)?
[09:55] <paulproteus> HWolf: /etc/init.d/
[09:55] <Phr0stByte> Anyone have a clue as to why I have to install my nVidia driver everytime I boot the system? If I dont, it always says "no usable displays"
[09:56] <ogra> Phr0stByte: add it to /etc/modules
[09:56] <Phr0stByte> ogra: Oh yeah!
[09:56] <Phr0stByte> ogra: Thanx
[09:57] <kensai> ogra: Why some people doesn't ahve to add it there?
[09:58] <ogra> Phr0stByte: did you run: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[09:58] <ogra> Phr0stByte: after the installation ?
[09:58] <kensai> That may be why
[09:59] <ogra> kensai: thanks for pointing out :)
[09:59] <Phr0stByte> ogra: no - didnt know about that
[09:59] <ogra> Phr0stByte: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:00] <seacyd> sound is not working with a freshly ubuntu install, I cannot find any error message though. Any help?
[10:01] <paulproteus> seacyd: Do you know what sound card you use?
[10:01] <seacyd> it's an intel onboard 810
[10:01] <seacyd> it did work before with debian
[10:02] <ua-nyman> I cant boot my win after the Linux installation. Any ideas why?
[10:02] <kensai> ogra, No I was just curious about why some people don't have to add it to the modules and then you asked him about the nvidia-glx enabled and I got the Why? to my question.
[10:04] <mdz> seacyd: check dmesg
[10:10] <seacyd> mdz: I could not find it in dmesg. But in Device Manager it is called AC97. With esdcat there is no error message. I tried to switch to ALSA or oss with gstreamer-properties, but I cannot change the sink.
[10:10] <nimc> how can i limit the size of the taskbar items ?
[10:10] <mdz> seacyd: are you on a Dell system?
[10:10] <seacyd> mdz: it's an Aopen Barebone
[10:11] <mdz> seacyd: grep Intel /proc/interrupts
[10:11] <Matt|> hi mdz
[10:11] <mdz> hi
[10:11] <Matt|> mdz, shall i give up on that firefox-flash bug?
[10:11] <Matt|> you can remove it if you think so
[10:12] <mdz> I am leaving it open on the chance that someone can provide more information
[10:12] <Matt|> mdz, ok
[10:12] <seacyd> mdz: is this the entry? "201:     455398   IO-APIC-level  Intel ICH5"
[10:12] <Matt|> mdz, is there anything I can help with?
[10:13] <mdz> seacyd: yes
[10:13] <mdz> seacyd: try booting with noapic
[10:14] <seacyd> mdz: as you mention apic. With ubuntu the computer does not turn off. Only the hard disk stops. Do you think this relates?
[10:14] <mdz> seacyd: seacyd APIC, not ACPI :-)
[10:15] <seacyd> mdz: ok, still close though ;-)
[10:15] <mdz> Matt|: perhaps you can provide a recipe for reproducing the problem
[10:15] <mdz> yes, too close
[10:15] <Matt|> mdz, everyone i've spoken to on here with hoary has the problem
[10:15] <Matt|> mdz, try http://www.190.it : for us the video keeps blacking out and refilling
[10:16] <mdz> Matt|: in bugzilla, please
[10:16] <Matt|> mdz, i'll put it in if you think it is relevant / helpful
[10:17] <TerminX> Matt|: flash there works fine for me
[10:17] <mdz> Matt|: it would be
[10:17] <Matt|> TerminX, what version of firefox?
[10:17] <TerminX> I built my own X from source tarballs though (mmmm Xorg)
[10:17] <Matt|> TerminX, ah
[10:17] <TerminX> so if it's an X issue perchance..
[10:18] <Matt|> i don't think XFree has changed in the warty -> hoary upgrade
[10:18] <mdz> nope
[10:18] <TerminX> mozilla-firefox_0.99+1.0RC1-4_i386.deb from sid
[10:18] <TerminX> ;p
[10:18] <Matt|> hmm
[10:18] <anders__> hi
[10:18] <mdz> hoary and warty have exactly the same X at the moment
[10:18] <Matt|> a guy on earlier said he had the same problem with sid
[10:18] <TerminX> weird
[10:19] <TerminX> works for me, and I even have xcompmgr running ;)
[10:19] <Matt|> :/
[10:19] <Matt|> no blacking out when you click the address bar?
[10:19] <Matt|> maybe firefox RC1 was not built with XFree4.3 in mind
[10:20] <TerminX> ahh.. I didn't see the clicking the address bar part
[10:20] <TerminX> it does black when I click it
[10:20] <jonex> I have just done half of the installation of ubuntu, but as i didn't want it to owerwrite my bootloader i now need to know what i should put in my grub.conf. Anybody know?'
[10:20] <crimsun> it's most definitely a Debian Sid issue
[10:21] <seacyd> jonex: you can always put it into the ubuntu root and modify your original boot loader
[10:21] <crimsun> and as a result, a Ubuntu one
[10:21] <jonex> seacyd, Hmm, too late :/
[10:21] <crimsun> I was unable to reproduce it using a precompiled 1.0RC2 binary from ftp.mozilla.org
[10:22] <Matt|> TerminX, same issue?
[10:22] <TerminX> Matt|: indeed.
[10:22] <Matt|> crimsun, thanks for working on that
[10:22] <crimsun> Matt|: np
[10:22] <Matt|> crimsun, maybe it has been fixed in RC2?
[10:22] <jonex> Does it use another kernel on the first boot? Should I use "vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386"
[10:22] <TerminX> crimsun: what about a precompiled RC1 binary as opposed to RC2?
[10:22] <Matt|> firefox bug?
[10:22] <jonex> ?
[10:23] <Matt|> crimsun, are you an ubuntu developer?
[10:23] <crimsun> TerminX: I did not try a RC1 binary, since both -3ubuntu and -4 (from sid) exhibit it
[10:23] <crimsun> Matt|: no
[10:23] <seacyd> jonex: which partition is it on?
[10:23] <Matt|> crimsun, double thank you for working on it
[10:23] <Matt|> crimsun, perhaps you would add to my bug: might make it more credible?
[10:23] <crimsun> anytime. Flash kills my computer; it's a nice local DoS.
[10:23] <Matt|> 3302
[10:24] <digi> I tried to install mythmusic (plugin to mythtv) from multiverse... But there is no .deb-file for mythmusic! In the directory for mythmusic on the multiverse server are only two .tgz-files...
[10:24] <crimsun> Matt|: sure. I'll add to it tonight.
[10:24] <jonex> seacyd, What? I have grub on hdb6, where i also want to put all my kernels. I have ubuntu on hdb8.
[10:24] <ubll> How does Win4lin work?
[10:25] <seacyd> jonex: so I would try this: root (hd1,7)
[10:25] <jonex> seacyd, Yes, but wich kernel?
[10:25] <mdz> jonathaN: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386
[10:25] <mdz> er
[10:25] <mdz> jonex: ^^^
[10:26] <seacyd> jonex: my line is kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386 root=/dev/hda6 ro quiet splash
[10:27] <chibifs> Win4lin is an emulator, ubll
[10:28] <chibifs> It runs all of windows in a window, like vmware.
[10:28] <jonex> seacyd, But is that right for the first boot? What is "initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-386" for?
[10:28] <chibifs> I belive it has some extra windows-specific interfaces or something like that, though.
[10:29] <seacyd> jonex: keep that line as well, it works for me
[10:29] <ubll> chibifs: Thank you, thats all i needed to know
[10:30] <jonex> seacyd, That's not a line. It's a file in /boot om the ubuntu partition :/
[10:30] <nimc> how can i limit the size of the taskbar items ?
[10:31] <kurtw> Anyone use subversion within Ubuntu?  I am trying to get gsvn to install and having trouble.
[10:31] <seacyd> jonex: basically copy the grub.conf entry on your ubuntu partition
[10:31] <spiv> kurtw: I just use the command-line version.
[10:32] <jonex> seacyd, I have none.
[10:32] <spiv> kurtw: So yes, I do use it, but I probably can't help you :)
[10:32] <kurtw> spiv: Bummer.  Command line is ok, but I'm dealing with some new projects and I'm looking for a visual tool.
[10:32] <jonex> seacyd, I thought it would owerwrite my mbr if i tried to install. That'd be annoying.
[10:33] <kurtw> spiv: Do you know if gsvn is in woody?
[10:33] <faux> kurtw: gsvn is abandoned by the developers
[10:33] <kurtw> faux: That is a real bummer!
[10:33] <faux> kurtw: yep
[10:33] <jonex> And people said that ubuntu would be easy. :(
[10:34] <spiv> kurtw: No idea.  apt-cache search shows that something called "rapidsvn" is in universe, though.
[10:34] <seacyd> jonex: I am not sure how to open a private channel, I would like to send you the 4 lines there
[10:34] <faux> kurtw: i dont think it has been coded on since 2002
[10:34] <anders__> I have a little problem with esd in hoary, it occupies /dev/dsp all the time.
[10:34] <kurtw> faux: I looked at the mailing list archives, no activity sine 2003.
[10:35] <faux> kurtw: rapidsvn is pretty good
[10:35] <anders__> also oss plugin in xmms is not working
[10:35] <faux> kurtw: but the version in ubuntu is sadly gtk1
[10:36] <kurtw> faux: It is pretty good.  Just doesn't have that nice GTK look to it.
[10:37] <faux> kurtw: well if you build the wxwin with gtk2 it should look pretty good
[10:38] <jsanti> What is the right way to create the PPP device in Ubuntu's devfs, and how to make the /dev/modem symlink permanent?
[10:38] <faux> jsanti: ubuntu doesnt use devfs
[10:38] <faux> jsanti: it uses udev
[10:39] <jsanti> faux: Oh, ok, then how can I create the ppp device in udev? I have to create it manually each time the system starts...
[10:39] <anders__> how do I disable esd at startup?
[10:40] <Matt|> ah: does someone know why my screen blacks out when I lower the lid of my laptop??????
[10:40] <faux> jsanti: my knowledge in udev is slim, but i think that it should be created when the right module is modprobed
[10:41] <spiv> Matt|: That's meant to happen, surely... or do you mean it doesn't unblacken when you lift it again?
[10:42] <jsanti> faux: Ok, I will google a little bit more taking in account that is udev and not devfs what I'm looking for, Thanx.
[10:42] <HWolf> How can i tackle .rar archives from within linux?
[10:42] <faux> HWolf: with unrar :)
[10:42] <Matt|> spiv, it does unblack, it just unnerves me
[10:42] <Matt|> spiv, never had it happen before
[10:42] <HWolf> faux, any graphical tools? file-roller doesn't swallow it.
[10:43] <faux> HWolf: file-roller should work when unrar is installed
[10:43] <Phr0stByte> The problem is that there is no nvidia-glx package for the new driver
[10:43] <spiv> Matt|: Oh.  How can you even tell, if the lid is closed? :)
[10:43] <Matt|> spiv, just trying to get my head around how acpi works on ubuntu
[10:43] <Matt|> spiv, *laughs* it happens before the lid is all the way down
[10:44] <spiv> I've no idea about the details, I suspect that piece of magic is done in the kernel.  I know my laptop does that, regardless of lid.sh.
[10:44] <Matt|> spiv, same here
[10:44] <faux> Matt|: its a feature, not a bug :) it is supposed to save battery-power. why do you care anyway? you cant see whats on the screen when the lid is closed!
[10:45] <Matt|> faux, as i said, i am just trying to get my head around how acpi works
[10:45] <Matt|> it is built in the kernel i guess
[10:45] <faux> Matt|: oh ok
[10:46] <Matt|> faux, i am thinking that maybe I can work out why "acpi" command doesn't work on my lappy
[10:46] <faux> Matt|: doesnt work? how?
[10:46] <faux> Matt|: segfault?
[10:46] <Matt|> faux, it gives me the wrong battery reading
[10:46] <[mirak] > woot woot.....broke my install
[10:47] <Matt|> faux, it seems to only update when i change the AC status. Even then it is pretty weird
[10:47] <Matt|> for example for the last hour it has said Battery 1: charging, 96%, 00:13:20 until charged
[10:47] <Matt|> faux, even tho it is fully charged
[10:47] <HWolf> faux, how do i install unrar then?
[10:47] <faux> are the entries in /proc correct for acpi?
[10:47] <Matt|> faux, nope
[10:47] <faux> HWolf: apt-get install unrar
[10:48] <Matt|> faux, at least not for the battery
[10:48] <Matt|> AC status is correct i think
[10:48] <HWolf> faux, synaptic doesn't find unrar.
[10:48] <Matt|> faux, sorry i take that back
[10:48] <Matt|> ac_adapter/state is wrong too
[10:48] <faux> HWolf: oops my mistake. its in the package rar
[10:48] <faux> Matt|: what laptop is it?
[10:49] <Matt|> compaq 2104EA
[10:49] <Matt|> presario sorry
[10:49] <Matt|> *laughs*
[10:49] <Matt|> damn rar
[10:49] <faux> :)
[10:49] <Matt|> faux, i have heard of the same problem on HP lappys
[10:49] <HWolf> faux, no package rar either
[10:50] <crimsun> HWolf: multiverse in your sources.list?
[10:50] <faux> HWolf: you might have to add the multiverse repositories
[10:50] <faux> to late :)
[10:50] <Matt|> *laughs*
[10:50] <HWolf> faux, I've got universe enabled
[10:50] <ogra> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543/
[10:50] <Matt|> faux, never a problem on other distros, so I thought that if I could figure out what ubuntu does differently, then I can crack it
[10:50] <|trey|> crimsun, prolly better to have folk check Synaptic Settings > Repositories  ;)
[10:50] <crimsun> |trey|: true.
[10:51] <seacyd> mdz, I still have no sound (esd), noapic did not work. :-( Anything else I can try?
[10:51] <faux> Matt|: strange, i thought that acpi was more kernel related
[10:51] <crimsun> seacyd: intel sound chipset? laptop?
[10:51] <Matt|> faux, i guess it is the acpid build or something or maybe a kernel patch
[10:52] <Matt|> faux, i've always used clean kernels in the past
[10:52] <seacyd> crimsum: intel oboard ac97 - worked before in debian,knoppix
[10:52] <crimsun> seacyd: is it an intel sound chipset w/ a modem?
[10:53] <|trey|> seacyd, you have tried to modprobe the module knoppix used?
[10:53] <ben_> hi
[10:53] <ben_> anyone know if acpi support will be better with hoary?
[10:53] <faux> Matt|: well i would have built a kernel from kernel.org to see if that solves it
[10:53] <seacyd> snd_intel8x0 and snd_ac97_codec are listed in ubuntu as well
[10:53] <Matt|> faux, ok
[10:54] <Matt|> i will
[10:54] <Matt|> faux, will use the ubuntu config?
[10:54] <crimsun> seacyd: in bios, disable the modem and the printer port. Make sure ac97_codec and i810_audio are blacklisted for hotplug. When you reboot, sound *should* work (you may have to adjust and unmute the mixer levels0.
[10:54] <crimsun> levels). ^
[10:54] <Matt|> crimsun, you are hot stuff
[10:54] <faux> Matt|: yeah thats probably a good idea
[10:54] <Matt|> what do you do?
[10:54] <crimsun> not really :)
[10:55] <seacyd> crimsum: unmute is done, what does blacklisted for hotplug mean?
[10:55] <Matt|> faux, i have my old mandrake config for this laptop but it might be a bit dodgy
[10:55] <HrdwrBoB> seacyd: it won't load that module
[10:55] <crimsun> seacyd: don't worry about my blacklist statement. Ubuntu already takes care of that.
[10:55] <|trey|> seacyd, /etc/hotplug/blacklist  <-- to blacklist put modules in here  :)
[10:55] <|trey|> Uhh nm
[10:55] <faux> Matt|: as long as most things are compiled as modules it should work perfect
[10:55] <Matt|> faux, hmm maybe not
[10:55] <ben_> why does acpi on mandrake work, but not on ubuntu, isn't it the same acpi linux project?
[10:56] <faux> Matt|: because of ubuntus extensive hotplug usage
[10:56] <Matt|> faux, i'll use ubuntu .config. Shall i take 2.6.8.1?
[10:56] <faux> Matt|: why not 2.6.9? its stable
[10:56] <|trey|> ben_, I dunno, if you really care, you can check mandrake changes against ubuntu changes and see if ubuntu is missing anything...
[10:56] <Matt|> faux, that way i can tell if it is an ubuntu kernel patch?
[10:57] <[mirak] > where is the wiki page doe mp3, flash, and such...i cant find it anymore....new wiki??
[10:57] <faux> Matt|: oh ok
[10:57] <seacyd> crimsum: ok thanks, I will try this.
[10:57] <Matt|> [mirak] , RestrictedFormats
[10:57] <ben_> can the acpi thingy be upgraded?
[10:57] <|trey|> [mirak] , gstreamer0.8-mad and flashplugin-nonfree for what you listed...
[10:58] <|trey|> ben_, the user space bin can, sure...
[10:58] <seacyd> thanks and bye
[10:58] <[mirak] > Matt|, thnx....i searched for restricted formats....that didnt work....minus the space found it
[10:58] <ogra> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:58] <Matt|> wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[10:58] <Matt|> *grins*
[10:58] <ogra> hey Matt :)
[10:58] <Matt|> hiya
[10:58] <Matt|> how is that program of yours?
[10:58] <ben_> |tray|: how?
[10:58] <plovs> Matt|, wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats is outdated
[10:59] <|trey|> ben_, you install a new version...
[10:59] <Matt|> plovs, oh sorry. It works so i assumed it was current
[10:59] <mirak> Matt|: could you not prompt [mirak]  ? this call my name
[10:59] <mirak> :-/
[10:59] <plovs> Matt|, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats is current
[10:59] <Matt|> mirak, come to an agreement
[10:59] <mirak> Matt|: lol
[10:59] <Matt|> plovs ok sorry
[10:59] <plovs> Matt|, we are still waiting for the admins to fix it
[10:59] <Matt|> fine
[10:59] <exism> is there a secret to getting digital out on soundblaster live working?
[10:59] <mirak> Matt|: in fact him called [mirak]  is already the agreement
[10:59] <uhuru> does debian have hw temp readings>
[10:59] <uhuru> ?
[11:00] <mirak> Matt|: well is agreement
[11:00] <Matt|> mirak, you need a new one
[11:00] <Matt|> and probably mir will complain as well
[11:00] <mirak> Matt|: yes here is my new one
[11:00] <uhuru> does debian have lmsensors?
[11:01] <[[mirak] ] > Matt|: now it's is turn
[11:01] <Matt|> *laughs*
[11:01] <[[mirak] ] > this can last very long
[11:01] <mdz> uhuru: assuming you mean to ask about ubuntu, yes, it does
[11:01] <Matt|> mirak wars has begun
[11:01] <exism> i've tried to compile emu-tools but it fails
[11:01] <|trey|> uhuru, yes... libsensors2 is more commonly used though afaik
[11:01] <crimsun> exism: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=SbLiveMixerControls
[11:01] <[[mirak] ] > [mirak] : where are you from ?
[11:02] <[mirak] > i need libdvdread....it is not installable.....how do i get it?
[11:02] <crimsun> exism: and of course, this url: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=SbLiveMixer
[11:02] <[mirak] > [[mirak] ] , USA
[11:02] <[[mirak] ] > LOL
[11:02] <Matt|> get a room you two
[11:02] <Matt|> your nicks are confusing
[11:02] <uhuru> thanks trey
[11:02] <[[mirak] ] > [mirak] : guess where I am from
[11:02] <uhuru> i simply couldn't find them in main list sorry
[11:03] <uhuru> is there a nifty applet for gnome?
[11:03] <uhuru> err that displays the readings...
[11:03] <exism> crimsun: thanks, i will take a look at that. i've never used alsa before and was used to just using emu-config
[11:03] <crimsun> exism: you may find the second of the urls I pasted more helpful at first.
[11:04] <HiddenWolf> The gweather-applet is crashing on me, and I want to report a bug, but have no clue how.
[11:04] <Telep> are there any nice Ubuntu buttons for websites around?
[11:05] <crimsun> HiddenWolf: use bugzilla
[11:05] <Matt|> HiddenWolf, if it is really broken: applications --> system tools --> bug
[11:05] <Matt|> will take you to the appropriate website
[11:06] <exism> crimsun: i'm not exactly sure where i go to use this information
[11:06] <borgmeister> aghhh
[11:06] <crimsun> exism: open a terminal window and execute alsamixer
[11:07] <borgmeister> why cant i get sound in totem
[11:07] <borgmeister> ive installed totem-xone
[11:07] <borgmeister> xine*
[11:07] <borgmeister> and ive checked voulme
[11:07] <borgmeister> any ideas guys?
[11:08] <maarten> when i mount my win partition(fat32)- mount -t vfat /dev/hda2 /mnt/win - i only have files and no directories. What is the problem?
[11:08] <jonex> How do I install verdana(without using the console)
[11:09] <paulproteus> jonex: You should be able to copy it into /usr/share/fonts.
[11:09] <paulproteus> But even better would be to use the "msttcorefonts" package in Synaptic, which will install that (and a few other MS fonts) for you.
[11:10] <ogra> Telep: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Artwork
[11:10] <Telep> thx
[11:10] <borgmeister> please help
[11:10] <borgmeister> i really want this to wokr
[11:11] <ogra> borgmeister: is it unmuted ? totem has its own controls.....
[11:12] <Phr0stByte> One problem down!
[11:12] <borgmeister> it does? where?
[11:12] <Phr0stByte> no...
[11:12] <Phr0stByte> now...
[11:13] <Phr0stByte> Why wont bmp play cd audio?
[11:13] <ogra> borgmeister: in the interface.....anywhere near the bottom
[11:14] <borgmeister> the button after the volume slider?
[11:14] <ogra> borgmeister: no, i menat the volume slider
[11:14] <borgmeister> it doesnt have an X through it or anything
[11:14] <borgmeister> and that is at full
[11:14] <ogra> ah
[11:14] <borgmeister> i really am at a loss
[11:15] <ogra> borgmeister: run gstreamer-properties in a terminal.... look if esd is selected
[11:15] <jonex> paulproteus, hmm I can't find any "msttcorefonts" when searching :/
[11:16] <borgmeister> yeah its selected
[11:16] <HiddenWolf> Ugh, I can't file that bug.
[11:16] <hypa7ia> jonex: do you have the restricted repositories enabled?
[11:16] <hypa7ia> in synaptics
[11:16] <jonex> hypa7ia, rets.. what? no. *tries to fix that*
[11:17] <ogra> borgmeister: no idea, it should work out of the box....for me it does....what are you playing ?
[11:17] <jonex> hypa7ia, How do I fix that?
[11:17] <borgmeister> battlestar galactica .avi's
[11:17] <ogra> borgmeister: from tv ?
[11:17] <borgmeister> nono
[11:17] <hypa7ia> jonex: in synaptics, go to settings, repositories
[11:18] <borgmeister> stuff i got from azureus
[11:18] <borgmeister> i cant have sky
[11:18] <borgmeister> it was broadband or sky
[11:18] <jonex> hypa7ia, Yes, and?
[11:18] <borgmeister> so broadband was the obvius choice
[11:18] <ogra> borgmeister: probably you are missing a codec....
[11:18] <borgmeister> ive got w32codecs
[11:18] <hypa7ia> jonex: click the second one listed, and add the word restricted after the word main
[11:19] <borgmeister> and it did work last night
[11:19] <jonex> hypa7ia, It's allready there.
[11:19] <borgmeister> but today it doesnt
[11:19] <ogra> borgmeister: hmmm, what did you change inbetween
[11:19] <borgmeister> and, games i have apt-get installed from the universe dont have sound
[11:19] <borgmeister> hmm
[11:19] <borgmeister> apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:20] <borgmeister> and that was about it
[11:20] <ogra> hoary ? warty ?
[11:20] <hypa7ia> jonex: it appears to be in universe actually :-(
[11:20] <borgmeister> i tried hoary out of desperartion
[11:20] <cmf> ok, hi, i've just installed ubuntu, as root i'm doing "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" but it's not getting any new pkg's, i'm assuming this isn't normal?
[11:20] <cmf> i'm specifically looking for a hal 0.4.x pkg
[11:20] <ogra> borgmeister: ouch
[11:20] <borgmeister> did i balls up?
[11:21] <ogra> borgmeister: i have no hoary here to check against your probs :(
[11:21] <hypa7ia> jonex: so in that same repositories dialog you're gonna have to check off the 4th and 5th entries
[11:21] <ben_> hi
[11:21] <ben_> sry, my keyboard got screwed up and i had to reboot
[11:21] <borgmeister> ok, can i do a system rollback >.<
[11:21] <ogra> borgmeister: nope :/
[11:21] <jonex> hypa7ia, They are greyed.
[11:21] <ben_> who was i talking to?
[11:21] <borgmeister> oh dear
[11:21] <exism> should mp3s play in ubuntu?
[11:21] <borgmeister> heh
[11:22] <borgmeister> well, time to reinstall i guess
[11:22] <borgmeister> hehe
[11:22] <hypa7ia> jonex: yes, can't you check the box to their left?
[11:22] <GnuHippy> errmmmm.... no dma make GnuHippy go crazy
[11:22] <borgmeister> you have to understand, im coming from windows
[11:22] <Matt|> *laughs*
[11:23] <borgmeister> and am having trouble getting used to the key differences
[11:23] <ogra> borgmeister: hmm, hoary shouldnt be bad, but there are less people that can support you with universe stuff
[11:23] <jonex> hypa7ia, Oh I could, usually grey mens not enabvled. Somebody should submit a bbug for that :/
[11:23] <hypa7ia> heheh
[11:23] <hypa7ia> "that's not a bug, it'sa feature!"
[11:23] <hypa7ia> and they are disabled, so it kinda means that :-/
[11:23] <DracosX> hehe
[11:23] <borgmeister> ok, after i have had my hard drive replaced on my desktop,\ill transfer the files to that machine, and then reinstall
[11:24] <GnuHippy> is anybody else out there having trouble enabling DMA on SATA drives?
[11:24] <GnuHippy> in Hoary or Warty?
[11:24] <ogra> borgmeister: ok, good idea, you should wait for hoary until april ;)
[11:24] <borgmeister> i know
[11:24] <jonex> hypa7ia, Well, they'll have problems with stupid ms-users like me then... :)
[11:24] <borgmeister> hehe
[11:24] <cmf> did anyone see or have a suggestion for my message?
[11:24] <badger> Hi, I'm looking for a new laptop and want to run ubuntu on it. Are there any laptops (e.g. Thinkpad T22) known to work really well?
[11:24] <Phr0stByte> Can anyone tell me why I cant hear audio CDs?
[11:24] <HrdwrBoB> badger: T22 should Just Work
[11:24] <mdz> borgmeister: there's nothing particularly drastic in hoary at the moment
[11:24] <hypa7ia> badger: i'm running an ASUS M6N laptop, everything but the winmodem is known to work
[11:24] <borgmeister> i just was getting wound up with sound not working in my games, so i decided to give hoary a try
[11:25] <mdz> borgmeister: what went wrong?
[11:25] <GnuHippy> is anybody else out there having trouble enabling DMA on SATA drives?
[11:25] <hypa7ia> tho it does require some doing to get it all working.... but you can buy it without windows!
[11:25] <borgmeister> mdz: sound in totem
[11:25] <hypa7ia> jonex: no worries, we all started somewhere :-)
[11:26] <ogra> mdz: borgmeister just switched from windows :)
[11:26] <mdz> borgmeister: you said that was already broken before you upgraded
[11:26] <borgmeister> yeah
[11:26] <mdz> so the hoary upgrade was fine
[11:26] <borgmeister> i wouldnt say i have swithced
[11:26] <borgmeister> windows (dare i say it >.<) is still ver useful to me
[11:27] <mdz> borgmeister: sound works in other applications, only totem is a problem?
[11:27] <ogra> totem-xine
[11:27] <borgmeister> totem and games
[11:27] <borgmeister> and totem-xine
[11:27] <mdz> I'll rephrase
[11:28] <mdz> borgmeister: does sound work at all, in any program?
[11:28] <borgmeister> ubuntu sounds
[11:28] <borgmeister> mp3's
[11:28] <borgmeister> and the avi's worked last night
[11:28] <GnuHippy> how do I format a drive with ext3?
[11:28] <GnuHippy> from a command line
[11:28] <GnuHippy> ???
[11:28] <lemsx1_> GnuHippy: mke2fs -j /dev/hda
[11:28] <mdz> borgmeister: the avi's worked in what program?
[11:28] <ogra> GnuHippy: mkfs -t ext3 /dev/blah
[11:28] <borgmeister> totem
[11:29] <mdz> er
[11:29] <lemsx1_> GuiHippy: oops, sorry :-) should've checked
[11:29] <maarten> when i mount my win partition(fat32)- mount -t vfat /dev/hda2 /mnt/win - i only have files and no directories. What is the problem?
[11:29] <lemsx1_> GuiHippy: that's for tunefs :-)
[11:29] <mdz> lemsx1_: mke2fs -j is valid
[11:30] <lemsx1_> mdz: ah, good to know...
[11:30] <ben_> my whole cpu and power stuff is messed up
[11:30] <mdz> borgmeister: I'm afraid I don't understand.  It was working before, and now it isn't.  What did you change?
[11:30] <borgmeister> i did an apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:30] <ben_> cpufreqd is installed, cpufreq isn't, and powernowd can't find my cpu
[11:30] <lemsx1_> mdz: yeah, saw it in man... no wonder i didn't even blink to write it
[11:31] <borgmeister> thats what i dont get, i thought apt wasnt supposed to break anythijng
[11:31] <mdz> borgmeister: you already said that it was broken already before you upgraded to hoary
[11:31] <borgmeister> its been very intermittant
[11:31] <borgmeister> i apt-get installed totem-xine
[11:31] <borgmeister> and it worked
[11:31] <borgmeister> then i tried hoary
[11:31] <borgmeister> and it stopped working
[11:31] <lemsx1_> i want to get involved in usplash, anything I should do to get the "source" or whatever there is for it already?
[11:31] <borgmeister> so i went back to warty
[11:32] <mdz> you can't go back to warty
[11:32] <mdz> without deep magic
[11:32] <borgmeister> and then apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> lemsx1_: #ubuntu-devel
[11:32] <lemsx1_> i'm working in debsplash (gensplash port to debian) and we are pretty advanced with it
[11:32] <borgmeister> then it worked again
[11:32] <borgmeister> i shut down last night
[11:32] <lemsx1_> HrdwrBob: thanks!! didn't know
[11:32] <borgmeister> opened it up today
[11:32] <borgmeister> and now it doesnt work
[11:32] <chibifs> Is gensplash diffrent from bootsplash?
[11:32] <mdz> lemsx1_: development on usplash has not really begun, maybe you are interested in working on it?
[11:32] <jonex> Hmm, is it possible to access my gentoo linux installation, so I can import my usersettings from the. (without using console)
[11:33] <lemsx1_> mdz: indeed
[11:33] <chibifs> bootsplash from suse, that was ported to everything? :P
[11:33] <crimsun> mdz: usplash? Any handy urls I can read up before I tread in?
[11:33] <mdz> borgmeister: reinstalling sounds like a good step at this point; you should stay away from hoary until you're more familiar with the system
[11:33] <borgmeister> ok
[11:33] <borgmeister> thanks for your time
[11:33] <mdz> crimsun: the notes from the oxford BOF, I suppose
[11:33] <lemsx1_> HrdwrBob: that channel doesn't exist :-)
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> ok
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> I am a cracksmoker
[11:34] <borgmeister> now ive just got to fix my big boxen
[11:34] <crimsun> mdz: k thanks. :-)
[11:34] <borgmeister> back up the files, then reinstall
[11:34] <mdz> they're in the wiki
[11:34] <exism> crimsun: do i just need to unmute the digital out option in the mixer?
[11:34] <lemsx1_> chibifs: bootsplash is a real mess... gensplash is a lot better and we are re-porting that to debian... almost done with it, though it works fine at the moment
[11:34] <mdz> borgmeister: if your sound doesn't work in a fresh install, with everything default, let us know
[11:34] <borgmeister> ok thanks guys
[11:34] <chibifs> Ah. What are the main diffrences?
[11:34] <mdz> lemsx1_: is gensplash entirely userspace?
[11:35] <chibifs> Just low level?
[11:35] <lemsx1_> crimsun: this is one URL: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehogUsplash
[11:35] <crimsun> lemsx1_: yep, I'm reading.
[11:36] <crimsun> exism: essentially, though I do not have a sblive to test
[11:36] <mdz> hmm, I didn't know that page existed
[11:36] <TuxRox> Ihave installed mozilla-mplayer, the mplayerplug-in for mozilla / firefox on Ubuntu and I am getting no sound. Has anyone seen this? Is there a solution or work around?
[11:37] <mdz> it should have been linked from HoaryGoals
[11:37] <chibifs> Aha. So it runs on X rather than direct FB?
[11:37] <lemsx1_> mdz: gensplash does depend on a patch to the linux kernel, then everything else is done in user-space... similar to bootsplash, but better in lots of senses ... let me get some info for you guys
[11:37] <badger> Thanks HrdwrBob and hypa7ia
[11:37] <mdz> lemsx1_: yes, I just read the page
[11:37] <tseng> gensplash also wants to hack the vesa driver
[11:37] <mdz> lemsx1_: the idea behind usplash is to stay out of the kernel entirely
[11:38] <chibifs> Good idea. Kernel needs as little tampering as possible for end users. :P
[11:38] <Phr0stByte> I cant here CD AUdio with any app - but mp3 files play fine!
[11:38] <exism> crimsun: alright, my receiver is detecting the connection but i'm not getting anything out of it, though i can still get analog sound through the std line out
[11:38] <HrdwrBoB> Phr0stByte: is your audio cable inside your case connected? :)
[11:38] <chibifs> You guys don't forget the wacom 0.6.4 drivers next release, though. :P
[11:38] <TuxRox> Ihave installed mozilla-mplayer, the mplayerplug-in for mozilla / firefox on Ubuntu and I am getting no sound. Has anyone seen this? Is there a solution or work around?
[11:38] <exism> i suppose you can't help me though :)
[11:38] <Phr0stByte> HrdwrBoB: yes
[11:38] <exism> i'm real surprised there isn't a howto on this
[11:38] <Lowry> hi all
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> Phr0stByte: and your CD audio volume is up?
[11:39] <Phr0stByte> yes
[11:39] <HrdwrBoB> in any case, why don't you just rip the CDs?
[11:39] <lemsx1_> mdz: I have the same issue. I don't want to patch the kernel at all... that's why I would like to participate in helping usplash get off the ground
[11:40] <crimsun> exism: make sure you check the rest of the emu10k1-related pages on the alsa wiki I pointed you to
[11:40] <Phr0stByte> HrdwrBoB: I suppose I could, but it bothers me that there is something that dosnt work that should
[11:40] <mdz> lemsx1_: great! it needs help
[11:40] <lemsx1_> sound problems with emu10k1, hard to believe... that's the best supported driver (I use that daily)
[11:40] <TuxRox> Ihave installed mozilla-mplayer, the mplayerplug-in for mozilla / firefox on Ubuntu and I am getting no sound. Has anyone seen this? Is there a solution or work around?
[11:40] <Lowry> There is a question on the ppc forum about old world macs with g4 upgrades - any results?
[11:41] <lemsx1_> make sure you install all alsa stuff (alsa-base, alsa-*) and make sure you don't load OSS drivers ... then, lastly, make sure you have all gstreamer-* plugins for esd and libesd0-alsa... etc... it works
[11:41] <Lowry> Is it a open firmware bootloader problem or the g4 chip support?
[11:42] <Matt|> i have a question about graphics when booting: i have enabled framebuffer, and hoped to get a tux and boot-icons when booting, instead they just flash up briefly but disappear as soon as the text moves: the text overrides them. Am I write in thinking that there should be a space at the top of the screen for tux/boot-icons? If so, does anyone know how I get achieve this? (I am booting with vga=791 atm)
[11:42] <lemsx1_> mdz: I'm new at ubuntu :-) and I need pointers into how to get involved... i just joined ubuntu-devel mailing list, and I'll post my ideas there in a bit (or tomorrow)
[11:43] <chibifs> Matt| - There will be. You won't be able to see any console text on the lines of the graphical display
[11:43] <TuxRox> Ihave installed mozilla-mplayer, the mplayerplug-in for mozilla / firefox on Ubuntu and I am getting no sound. Has anyone seen this? Is there a solution or work around?
[11:43] <Matt|> chibifs, so the boot-icons package is not working yet?
[11:44] <chibifs> Boot icons package? o.o
[11:44] <chibifs> Wouldn't something like that need a kernel patch?
[11:44] <mdz> lemsx1_: have you looked at the notes on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash ?  please feel free to update it with your comments
[11:44] <ogra> TuxRox: have w32codecs installed ?
[11:45] <lemsx1_> Phr0stByte: to hear audio CDs in any system (linux or whatever) the drive needs to be connected to your sound card (internally)... is that the case? if it's not, then you will need to somewhow "digitize" the music files to fake this (I'm sure linux does this, but... i never play audio CDs anymore)
[11:45] <exism> crimsun: hah, i was going through and upping all the volumes and the "wave surround" is the required one
[11:45] <mdz> it seems that many modern system builders don't bother to connect the CD-ROM to the sound device
[11:46] <mdz> so it just doesn't work to play CDs in the normal way; you need to do CDDA or just rip them
[11:46] <crimsun> exism: feel free to add a note to the wiki with your lspci information
[11:47] <lemsx1_> mdz: yes, I read this before... though not the https: protocol... however, it seems to be the same information so far
[11:47] <TuxRox> ogra, I don't believe so. Let me try that. If I go to apple.com I can see the trailers but not hear them. Let me do that first. BRB
[11:48] <ben_> hi
[11:48] <Matt|> does anyone have the boot-icons package working properly on their system?
[11:48] <ben_> uh, cpufreq is either not installed or not loading, how can i fix this?
[11:48] <lemsx1_> kalle_, ill be out for some time... i'll try to come here more often from now on...
[11:48] <ben_> i checked synaptic, but there's no cpufreq package, just the daemon
[11:48] <lemsx1_> s/kalle_/Ok/gc (bad habit)
[11:48] <Phr0stByte> lemsx1_: I just now mine played them untill I reinstalled
[11:49] <ben_> how do i install the cpufreq driver?
[11:50] <lemsx1_> Phr0stByte, cd audios played before but now they don't? did you try other players? beep-media-player is my favorite these days... rhythmbox rocks, and zinf is nice...
[11:50] <mdz> ben_: you add it to /etc/modules
[11:50] <ogra> ben_: look in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/ for your architecture....
[11:50] <lemsx1_> bbl
[11:51] <ogra> mdz: just cpufreq ?
[11:51] <mdz> ogra: no, as you said, the appropriate driver in the cpufreq/ dir
[11:51] <ben_> mdz: i did, and it did nothing
[11:51] <mdz> sladen has done some work to automate choosing the right driver for Hoary
[11:51] <ogra> k , thought i missed one....
[11:52] <Kirsch> you know what really sucks? Missing your flight and being stranded in an airport, but at least there's wireless LOL
[11:52] <mdz> ben_: then you probably selected the wrong driver
[11:52] <mdz> ben_: what kind of CPU do you have?
[11:52] <ben_> i added 'cpufreq' to /etc/modules and it didn't work
[11:52] <ben_> mdz: p3
[11:53] <sladen> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/HoaryHedgehog_2fcpufreq
[11:53] <mdz> ben_: you want one of the speedstep-* modules
[11:53] <mdz> perhaps speedstep-smi
[11:53] <TuxRox> ogra, in Ubuntu, should I use /usr/lib/win32?
[11:53] <mdz> or speedstep-ich
[11:53] <sladen> ben_: PIII-M ?
[11:53] <ben_> sladen: not sure, how do i check?
[11:53] <ogra> TuxRox: use the package from the marillat repository....
[11:54] <ogra> TuxRox: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:54] <ben_> sladen: it's a laptop, so it would be m, right?
[11:54] <sladen> ben_: grep name /proc/cpuinfo
[11:54] <TuxRox> ogra, ok thx.
[11:54] <sladen> ben_: you'd hope... :)
[11:54] <Lowry> DVD player for a g3 powerbook 400 - audio is not playing well - xine will not play as it has skipped to many frames
[11:54] <ogra> TuxRox: btw mozilla-plugin-vlc plays quicktime just fine ....
[11:54] <ben_> Pentium III (Copermine)
[11:54] <ben_> that's all it said
[11:55] <mdz> sladen: your script outputs cpufreq-centrino, though the correct module is speedstep-centrino
[11:55] <fwebby> whats the apt-get to install kde? apt-get install kde fails
[11:55] <Zimpee> i have too small fonts in xmms, setting font size didn't help. Problem only in ubuntu. How to enlarge xmms's font?
[11:55] <Phr0stByte> lemsx1_: BMP will have the tracks in the playlist and the progress slider moves
[11:55] <Phr0stByte> lemsx1_: no sound
[11:56] <sladen> mdz: must update, it haven't updated that one in a while.
[11:56] <Matt|> i have a question about graphics when booting: i have enabled framebuffer, and hoped to get a tux and boot-icons when booting, instead they just flash up briefly but disappear as soon as the text moves: the text overrides them. Am I write in thinking that there should be a space at the top of the screen for tux/boot-icons? If so, does anyone know how I get achieve this? (I am booting with vga=791 atm)
[11:56] <Phr0stByte> lemsx1_: no eq bars jumpin up and down
[11:56] <ben_> sladen: so i just add the whole path to the .ko file into /etc/modules?
[11:56] <ogra> ben_: no
[11:56] <sladen> Matt|: we have plans for fun in that department in the next release
[11:56] <Lowry> Can g3 400  play dvd's without hardware decoder?
[11:56] <ben_> ogra: what do i do?
[11:56] <fwebby> anyone? apt-get to install kde?
[11:56] <ogra> ben_: just the module name without the .ko extension
[11:57] <Matt|> sladen, ah i c, so for now it is not working?
[11:57] <TuxRox> ogra, mozilla-plugin-vlc? I am not familiar with that.
[11:57] <mdz> ben_: and without the path
[11:57] <sladen> mdz: done
[11:57] <Matt|> sladen, I am on hoary btw
[11:57] <mdz> ben_: it will be clear when you look at the file
[11:57] <ben_> ? so speedstep-smi ?
[11:57] <ben_> that's it?
[11:57] <ben_> or cpufreq speedstep-smi?
[11:57] <Lowry> 200 frames delivered 157 skipped 15 discarded
[11:58] <stuNNed_> fwebby, try 'apt-cache search kde' to see what's available in your repo's
[11:58] <ogra> TuxRox: an alternative to mplayer-mozilla ... works pretty well for me, but i must admit i'm not watching much video in websites :)
[11:58] <sladen> ben_: grep Intel /proc/ioports
[11:58] <mdz> sladen: by the way, wiki.ubuntulinux.org is obsoleted by www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[11:58] <ogra> ben_: only the speedstep one
[11:58] <[mirak] > how to install from .deb?
[11:59] <fwebby> dpkg -i
[11:59] <ogra> [mirak] : sudo dpkg -i <package>
[11:59] <TuxRox> ogra, Installing the codecs worked! Thanks a million!
[11:59] <Matt|> what would the speedstep module be for a Mobile Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz
[11:59] <ogra> TuxRox: ;)
[11:59] <ben_> ogra: so all i add to /etc/modules is "speedstep-smi" ?
[11:59] <[mirak] > ogra, thats what i thought...thats what i did....says no package found
[11:59] <Zimpee> where can i set globally, which sound module gnome must use?