[12:47] <mjg59> ddaa: Ok, think I've got it
[12:47] <mjg59> Newer acpi code seems to help
[12:47] <mjg59> Just let me do a couple of checks
[12:48] <mjg59> Gah.
[12:49] <mjg59> No, that's not happy.
[12:49] <mjg59> Oh, now that's very odd
[12:49] <mjg59> The video has come back, but the sleep light is still on
[12:50] <mjg59> Which implies that it's woken stuff up but never called the return from sleep ACPI methods
[12:53] <mjg59> Gah. No, this is irritatingly broken.
[12:53] <ddaa> mjg59: I'm turning into a pumpkin
[12:57] <mjg59> ddaa: Sorry, I'm entirely failing to track down the problem here.
[12:58] <ddaa> bah... sleep on it... maybe you'll get new ideas.
[12:59] <ddaa> or maybe give me additional instructions to isolate what in hotplug is breaking.
[01:00] <ddaa> In any case, goodnight.
[06:55] <hornbeck> jdub: you around?
[07:18] <lifeless> mdz: ping
[07:34] <jdub> hornbeck: yo
[11:16] (seb128/#ubuntu-devel) hum
[11:17] <maswan> elmo: We're reducing the frequency of updates for the ftp.acc.umu.se mirror, pending fewer "max connection reached" cron mails.
[11:18] <fabbione> xorg-redhat-die-ugly-pattern-die-die-die.patch
[11:18] <fabbione> ahhaha
[11:18] <fabbione> that's the patch we were looking for
[11:18] <fabbione> to kill the X pattern
[11:19] <seb128> nice name :)
[11:19] <maswan> this way, we'll only get it once a day, like all the other cron mails saying something is broken. :)
[11:28] <jdub> seb128: ah no, it's okay
[11:28] <seb128> cool
[11:47] <robtaylor> fabbione: hurrah! at last!
[11:48] <fabbione> no it won't be today
[11:48] <fabbione> i found a bunch of bugs that need to be fixed before release
[11:49] <robtaylor> fabbione: boh. its only a two line chage ;)
[11:49] <mojo_> fabbione: y he cheered up? is it b/c X.org out already????
[11:49] <fabbione> robtaylor: ?
[11:49] <fabbione> mojo_: what?
[11:49] <robtaylor> fabbione: i was talking about xorg-redhat-die-ugly-pattern-die-die-die.patch
 ahhaha
[11:49] <fabbione> mojo_: please write plain english
[11:50] <fabbione> robtaylor: ahh
[11:51] <mojo_> fabbione: I just want to ask when the 1st beta CD of Hoary that contains X.org out?
[11:51] <fabbione> mojo_: we need to get X.org into the archive first
[11:51] <jdub> mojo_: there won't be a 'beta' until march
[11:51] <mojo_> jdub: thx for the info
[11:55] <mojo_> I and my friends has finished creating pure GNOME theme for Downloader X (d4x), I'm looking forward to seeing some maintainers here to include d4x in next release (I still work on optimizing d4x for Ubuntu)
[12:01] <sivang> Is there a current list of bounties for Hoary already?
[12:15] <Mithrandir> hi Kamion, how's the head?
[12:15] <Kamion> much better now, thanks
[12:15] <Mithrandir> good to hear. :)
[12:17] <thom> morning folks
[12:17] <jdub> morning thom
[12:17] <seb128> hey thom 
[12:18] <Mithrandir> thom: if you have any great ideas on why our libc is broken while the one in Debian is fine, I'd be very grateful.
[12:19] <Mithrandir> they're built the same way
[12:21] <thom> exactly the same? if you build the two packages manually you still get brokenness on our one?
[12:21] <thom> something freaky that linker optimisation does?
[12:21] <thom> (it seems unlikely, but i thought i'd throw it out there(
[12:25] <Mithrandir> fabbione: please, don't
[12:25] <fabbione> well
[12:25] <fabbione> foo 1.0 ships /etc/foo.conf
[12:25] <fabbione> foo 2.0 ships /etc/foo2.conf
[12:25] <jdub> thom: i don't think we do linker optimisation for libc
[12:25] <fabbione> the upgrade doesn't remove foo.conf
[12:25] <jdub> thom: only gnome packages that do it in debian/rules
[12:25] <fabbione> if even foo.conf is not modified
[12:25] <Kamion> fabbione: that's a feature
[12:26] <Kamion> well, not sure about when it's not modified
[12:26] <fabbione> Kamion: it sounds a bug to me
[12:26] <fabbione> and i need to workaround it for approx 20 files
[12:26] <Kamion> when it's not modified, maybe
[12:26] <fabbione> i understand perfectly when it is modified
[12:26] <Mithrandir> thom: I'm going to build the pure64 on hoary and see if that helps.
[12:27] <fabbione> soooo now i need to add a shit load of checks into upgrade scripts
[12:27] <Kamion> what does it mean when update-mozilla-firefox-chrome tells me "E: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions/installed-extensions.txt still present. Registration might have gone wrong."?
[12:28] <jdub> heh
[12:28] <thom> Kamion: that you might have old extensions that haven't registered themselves with 1.0 correctly, i believe
[12:28] <fabbione> jdub: you can adopt it now.. so you can split your l33t composite libraries and fix the 200K bugs as well :-)
[12:28] <jdub> heh
[12:28] <jdub> sweet!
[12:30] <Kamion> thom: the thing is that I'm in the process of converting an old extension *to* 1.0, and this error only started to show up in the middle of the conversion
[12:30] <Kamion> I'd kind of like to know what exactly "might have gone wrong"
[12:32] <thom> Kamion: oh, right. no idea :/
[12:36] <cenerentola> jdub: have you got time for me..?
[12:36] <cenerentola> kamion: i love you
[12:38] <Kamion> uh, ok
[12:41] <cenerentola> sorry but is that difficult to speak with any canonical's related with PR?
[12:41] <cenerentola> are you all going to mataro?
[12:42] <jdub> everyone in canonical is going to mataro
[12:43] <jdub> i'm here now
[12:43] <jdub> what can i help you with?
[12:43] <cenerentola> ok...
[12:44] <cenerentola> as you may not know.. an italian ubuntu community was born
[12:44] <cenerentola> las... 
[12:44] <jdub> you posted about it on the mailing list
[12:44] <cenerentola> that was an italian spoken link
[12:45] <cenerentola> btw... as you said ive contacted the guys from ubuntuforums..
[12:45] <cenerentola> its all ok for them, the forumll be up in moments.. now what about the mailing list?
[12:45] <jdub> it's on the way
[12:46] <cenerentola> thx.. now what about translating the website...
[12:46] <cenerentola> should i host it on ubuntulinux.it
[12:47] <jdub> the ubuntu site is translatable
[12:47] <jdub> speak to lulu 
[12:47] <jdub> about it
[12:47] <cenerentola> or that's not necessary, and youre going to host it on ubuntulinux.org
[12:47] <cenerentola> mind im not talking about the wiki... ok then
[12:48] <cenerentola> what about the cds? 
[12:48] <jdub> what about them?
[12:48] <cenerentola> ive ordered about 90 cds.. for free give-aways
[12:49] <cenerentola> during the linux day, nation-wide...
[12:49] <cenerentola> but as otherlugs said theyre not enough...
[12:49] <lulu> cenerentola: we're looking into linguaplone for the website, but it will be a little while before it's up and running. So, in the interim, we suggest you go ahead and translate, and we can integrate your translation work when it's in place.
[12:52] <sivang> lulu : have you checked the credential problem on the CMS ?
[12:54] <lulu> sivang: looking into it :o)
[12:55] <Kamion> thom: *sigh* was a one-character mistake in the install.rdf file, url:mozilla:... instead of urn:mozilla:...
[12:55] <Kamion> nice of it to give me such a clear error message so that I didn't have to compare it against another install.rdf file line by line to figure out what was wrong, wasn't it? :)
[01:02] <thom> Kamion: see my total lack of surprise
[01:02] <Kamion> heh
[01:04] <cenerentola> kamion: let me introduce you to the beauties of perl that could do it for you... larry bless
[01:04] <Kamion> cenerentola: I'm sorry, but you're making no sense
[01:05] <Kamion> cenerentola: perl or indeed diff wouldn't have helped, I was comparing the sense of the files not the exact text.
[01:07] <cenerentola> kamion: it could tell you what words written in a certain manner did appear in only one file
[01:08] <cenerentola> kamion: that was a joke
[01:21] <jdub> thom: so, a funny thing happened when my acpi started working
[01:21] <Kamion> ... on the way to the forum
[01:22] <thom> jdub: ahr?
[01:22] <jdub> thom: i popped my laptop on the dock, closed the lid, and turned to the keyboard/mouse as usual
[01:22] <thom> yup?
[01:22] <jdub> lock and chvt :-)
[01:22] <jdub> uh oh!
[01:22] <jdub> :-)
[01:23] <jdub> so i've been thinking about an NM-like power management controller
[01:24] <Keybuk> tedious, long-winded and a long wait at the end?
[01:25] <jdub> also, i can't find a way to figure out if this machine is docked
[01:25] <jdub> dmidecode | grep Chassis -A 10
[01:25] <thom> you don't get any events when you dock at all?
[01:26] <thom> Keybuk: heh
[01:26] <jdub> ^ returns the docking station stanza if i booted docked
[01:26] <jdub> well, the USB CD device turns up
[01:26] <jdub> but otherwise, no
[01:26] <jdub> i'll have to investigate further
[01:26] <jdub> though, even if i can find something for this lappy, it's going to be very hard to generalise
[01:27] <jdub> (one of the benefits of separate windows drivers is setting policy for the particular hardware, not generalising in the OS)
[01:28] <jdub> thom: read nm list recently?
[01:29] <thom> jdub: walters VPN stuff?
[01:29] <jdub> yeah
[01:29] <jdub> "let's redo dhclient!"
[01:29] <thom> it's MAJOR crack
[01:29] <thom> and typical redhat
[01:33] <thom> sooo, i get an alpha tomorrow
[01:34] <Keybuk> heh, what kind?
[01:35] <thom> XP1000
[01:35] <thom> 500Mhz ev6
[01:35] <thom> so google tells me
[01:36] <jdub> you're collecting heaters? :)
[01:36] <cenerentola> jdub: what about the cds then?
[01:37] <thom> jdub: i nearly have everything that debian supports bar the silly arches
[01:37] <thom> well, if you count mips* as silly, i'll have the lot soon
[01:37] <Keybuk> not bad
[01:37] <Keybuk> it's just about getting cold enough for me to boot mine up again
[01:40] <ChrisH> We (Doc Team) are about to install a repository. Is "arch" the tool to use in Ubuntu? I had intuitively used SVN. Or does it really not matter? :)
[01:41] <jdub> cenerentola: the CDs are being distributed this month
[01:41] <jdub> cenerentola: please try to keep discussion on channel :)
[01:41] <jdub> cenerentola: and be patient for answers
 ive ordered about 90 cds.. for free give-aways
 during the linux day, nation-wide...
 but as otherlugs said theyre not enough...
[01:42] <jdub> cenerentola: the CDs are being distributed this month, if other LUGs want to order CDs, they can too
[01:42] <cenerentola> they told me to do the job... as they're looking at btlug, as the community center in italy
[01:43] <cenerentola> ..since
[01:43] <cenerentola> ...
[01:44] <jdub> so what's the problem?
[01:44] <cenerentola> am i allowed to order more cds?
[01:45] <jdub> yes
[01:45] <jdub> just go to the site and change your order
[01:48] <cenerentola> ok thx
[01:48] <fabbione> ok... the config file issue should be solved
[01:49] <fabbione> files
[01:50] <fabbione> cache hit                         328529
[01:50] <fabbione> cache miss                         19900
[01:50] <fabbione> it's not like i have been speding cpu cycles on anything else :-)))
[02:01] <seb128> fabbione: I've forgotten to mention it, but since the Xfree -> X.org I get "Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib" and "Gdk-WARNING **: cannot set locale modifiers" when I start a GNOME app
[02:02] <thom> seb128/fabio: me too
[02:02] <seb128> cool :)
[02:08] <Kamion> jdub: so, given that I've just built the first probably-working Hoary CD set, when do you reckon would be a good target for Array CD 1?
[02:08] <jdub> Kamion: so i've been thinking about hoary cds
[02:09] <jdub> Kamion: i kinda think it's a bit weird to have announced testing cds so early ;)
[02:09] <Kamion> depends on your point of view :)
[02:09] <jdub> ;)
[02:09] <jdub> making installer changes already?
[02:10] <Kamion> (impossible to get installer testing any other way)
[02:10] <Kamion> well, I did just do the mass merge from Debian
[02:10] <Kamion> and yeah, expect a number of early installer changes
[02:10] <jdub> let's just do it then ;)
[02:10] <jdub> though probably make the announce blurb scary enough
[02:11] <jdub> so that people don't feel that CD availability == 'beta' or encouragement, etc.
[02:11] <Kamion> can I put in a request for array cds to be scheduled for Wednesdays this cycle? :)
[02:11] <jdub> totally
[02:11] <jdub> wednesday is the optimal day
[02:11] <Kamion> the sounders being on Monday tended to result in me coming in after the weekend to find they were totally hosed
[02:11] <jdub> mmm, they weren't meant to be monday ;)
[02:11] <Kamion> after a while, they weren't. :-)
[02:12] <Kamion> ok, let's make this Wednesday's cron.daily run be Array CD 1 then
[02:12] <jdub> i dunno why i copied the older gnome style calendar
[02:12] <jdub> i'll fix that up 
[02:12] <Kamion> give it a couple of days to settle
[02:13] <Kamion> beta> yeah, I set the CD label to "Alpha"
[02:13] <Mithrandir> "early crack". :)
[02:13] <fabbione> seb128, thom: i always got that message since X4.1.0
[02:14] <fabbione> if you can figure out what is wrong it would be cool
[02:14] <seb128> ok
[02:14] <Kamion> jdub: (historically, the two-week CD cycle has been pretty good at making me get off my arse and finish my current round of changes, too :))
[02:14] <jdub> :-)
[02:19] <thom> elmo: please sync wireless-tools from unstable
[02:20] <fabbione> elmo: please sync apache from unstable
[02:20] <fabbione> apache1.3
[02:21] <seb128> elmo: please sync gnumeric 1.3.93 from experimental
[02:21] <fabbione> elmo: please xorg from fd.o
[02:21] <fabbione> ;)
[02:21] <jdub> haha
[02:22] <seb128> oups, gnumeric 1.3.93 is in unstable
[02:22] <seb128> but still, need a sync
[02:35] <doko> mithrandir: could you solve your glibc build problem?
[02:36] <Mithrandir> doko: nope :/
[02:37] <Mithrandir> doko: the problem goes away if I turn off TLS
[02:37] <Kamion> seb128: any news on that fam/gamin thing in libgnomevfs2-common?
[02:38] <seb128> gnome-vfs2 (2.8.3-0ubuntu3) hoary; urgency=low
[02:38] <seb128>   * debian/control.in:
[02:38] <seb128>     - Build-Depends on libgamin-dev | libfam-dev.
[02:38] <seb128> installed here
[02:38] <seb128> I've forgotten to upload ?
[02:39] <Kamion> could be, dunno, just looking at germinate output
[02:39] <seb128> Kamion: I was probably waiting to restart a session with the new package to be sure that all is ok
[02:39] <Kamion> ah
[02:39] <seb128> Kamion: uploading now
[02:40] <jdub> seb128: i've been using gamin on warty for ages now, btw :)
[02:40] <Kamion> I'll go fix libwvstreams3-base now
[02:41] <doko> mithrandir: did you prepare a new ia32-libs-openoffice.org package, or can I upload one without lib32gcc1 when I update to the new gcc-3.4.3 package?
[02:41] <Mithrandir> doko: no, I haven't done it.
[02:41] <Mithrandir> so please upload a new one in sync
[02:44] <fabbione> doko, Mithrandir: is it normal that gcc fails all the test suite and still considered to build fine?
[02:44] <fabbione> FAIL: gcc.c-torture/compile/20000504-1.c,  -O3 -g  
[02:44] <fabbione> i see pages and pages of stuff like this
[02:44] <doko> which architecture?
[02:44] <fabbione> sparc
[02:44] <doko> 3.3, 3.4, snapshot?
[02:44] <fabbione> 3.3
[02:45] <doko> on the buiildd?
[02:45] <fabbione> yes
[02:48] <doko> 20001226 is the only testcase that fails at http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.php?&pkg=gcc-3.3&ver=1%3A3.3.5-2&arch=sparc&stamp=1098710590&file=log&as=raw
[02:49] <fabbione> hmm weird
[02:50] <Mithrandir> fabbione: I don't know anything about gcc. :)
[02:51] <fabbione> ok cool
[02:51] <fabbione> config file transition is ok
[02:52] <fabbione> people might have to merge manually if they did some modifications, but that's how it is
[02:53] <doko> fabbione: are you working on a sparc port?
[02:53] <doko> daniel alone in Copenhagen, part II?
[02:55] <fabbione> doko: yes to the sparc port
[02:55] <fabbione> daniel was very very ill this morning
[02:55] <fabbione> he wrote me in pvt "brb"
[02:55] <Kamion> ouch :(
[02:55] <fabbione> and he didn't come back anymore
[02:55] <Mithrandir> ew
[02:55] <fabbione> i think he has been hitted by danish primes ;)
[02:55] <Kamion> hang on, I thought you guys were in the same building?
[02:55] <fabbione> i might have to go and take a look if he doesn't resurrect within dinner time
[02:56] <fabbione> Kamion: he still sleep at the hotel
[02:56] <Kamion> ah
[02:56] <fabbione> my house is a building site
[02:56] <fabbione> i don't really have place for people to sleep here
[02:56] <fabbione> he barely has a chair where to sit :)
[02:56] <Kamion> well, hope he gets well soon
[02:56] <fabbione> yeah i am pretty sure he will be alright
[03:00] <thom> grah, are any of the gnome anoncvs mirrors even vaguely up to date?
[03:01] <seb128> define "vaguely"
[03:01] <jdub> depends on your definition of 'up to date'
[03:01] <thom> less than 2 days delta?
[03:02] <tseng> that reminds me, whats up with the tarball feed on pgnome/news
[03:02] <jdub> tseng: dunno, noticed it but haven't checked
[03:02] <tseng> hrm
[03:17] <fabbione> daniels is still alive :-)
[03:17] <thom> goodo
[03:17] <doko> elmo: please sync gcc-3.3 from unstable
[03:17] <fabbione> and the ati driver fix is compiling now
[03:17] <Mithrandir> so you haven't been able to kill him with danish food, yet?
[03:17] <fabbione> time to mount the metal bars on the dinining table :-)
[03:17] <fabbione> Mithrandir: nope :(
[03:18] <doko> danish "food"? flavours and colour addons dominate danish food (although a good hot dog ...)
[03:19] <fabbione> doko: he had a hot dog yesterday evening
[03:19] <fabbione> that's why he is close to die
[03:22] <doko> feed him danish soft ice cream, that will help ;)
[03:22] <carlos> seb128: new evolution does not let me send any mail...
[03:22] <carlos> seb128: is it a know bug?
[03:23] <seb128> no
[03:23] <carlos> seb128: it gives me connection refused, but the server works from a direct telnet session
[03:23] <seb128> carlos: not a ssl issue ?
[03:24] <carlos> seb128: the smtp + ssl is activated after the connection is done (it uses also the port 25)
[03:24] <carlos> let me change the smtp server...
[03:24] <seb128> carlos: it that ok if you don't use an ssl connection ?
[03:26] <carlos> seb128: testing it, btw, after the upgrade the auth option for the smtp is disabled, I need to renable it by hand (but i'm not able to test it at the moment)
[03:28] <carlos> seb128: yes, the problem is the "Use Always SSL option"
[03:28] <carlos> for sending, without it, it works
[03:28] <seb128> ok, so that's not an evolution problem apparently :)
[03:28] <carlos> are you sure?
[03:29] <carlos> Same options, same server, evolution 2.0 worked without problems...
[03:29] <seb128> the last bug reports about this have been closed a NOTXIMIAN IIRC
[03:29] <seb128> saying that's due to the server which is buggedf
[03:29] <seb128> -f
[03:29] <amu> moinD
[03:29] <seb128> hi amu 
[03:29] <carlos> seb128: could you give me an URL for that bugreport, please?
[03:34] <fabbione> amu: we have a fix for that segfault you were getting with X.org
[03:35] <seb128> carlos: I've http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=68444, but it was with an imap server .. looking for mail sending
[03:35] <carlos> seb128: don't worry
[03:35] <carlos> I will search for it
[03:35] <carlos> I thought you had it located already
[03:35] <fabbione> workrave is yelling and screaming at me
[03:35] <fabbione> bbl
[03:36] <seb128> carlos: have you tried to wait some minutes ?
[03:36] <Mithrandir> did we ever get a ical feed with meetings and stuff?
[03:36] <carlos> seb128: some minutes?
[03:36] <carlos> for what?
[03:37] <carlos> the problem is that it does not reachs the server or it tries to connect to the wrong server
[03:37] <seb128> carlos: to get the mail sent
[03:37] <carlos> the server logs does not have any connection attempt logged
[03:37] <carlos> seb128: yes, and same error
[03:38] <seb128> oh, you have an error ?
[03:38] <seb128> I thought is was just hanging
[03:38] <seb128> ok, so probably not the same issue I was thinking of
[03:38] <seb128> if you open an upstream bug please Cc: me :)
[03:38] <carlos> ok
[03:38] <carlos> :-)
[03:39] <carlos> seb128@debian.org or canonical.com?
[03:40] <seb128> debian
[03:40] <carlos> ok
[03:40] <seb128> I've not created different accounts with the new email
[03:40] <sivang> seb128 : have you patched #2221 yet?
[03:40] <seb128> sivang: no, so many bugs, I've not had time yet :/
[03:41] <seb128> sivang: if you want to test the fix that would be nice :)
[03:41] <carlos> seb128: I will look at it tonight after work hours, I can use my local smtp server until it's fixed
[03:41] <sivang> seb128 : got it! :)
[03:43] <sivang> seb128 : did you track down the bug at all ? or just attched the proposed patch?
[03:43] <sivang> seb128 : I mean, I understand what happened in the perl code, just not sure when it did :)
[03:43] <seb128> I've not added anything
[03:44] <seb128> the upstream devel has attached the patch which has been commited in the CVS
[03:52] <sivang> seb128 : ok, I will test the fix
[03:54] <jdub> far out
[03:54] <jdub> stupid bogofilter
[03:54] <jdub> gar gar
[04:30] <thom> time to try NM with a wired connection, lets see how badly this breaks
[04:36] <thom> badly
[04:36] <thom> oh well
[04:37] <Kamion> d'oh! I never uploaded the merged countrychooser
[04:40] <elmo> thom/fabbione/seb128/doko: done
[04:41] <seb128> thanks
[04:43] <fabbione> elmo: also x.org? ;)
[04:43] <fabbione> elmo: thanks btw.. you still rock!
[04:43] <Mithrandir> elmo: seems we don't have elfutils in universe, could you sync that?
[04:44] <sladen> does anyone have pictures from Oxford of the usplash whiteboard?
[04:44] <elmo> Mithrandir: I don't see it in Debian ?
[04:45] <elmo> Mithrandir: #221761
[04:45] <elmo> fabbione: just apache, I'm afraid
[04:45] <thom> elmo: grazi :-)
[04:45] <Mithrandir> elmo: sorry, I'm trying to track down what the package is; I need it for some glibc debugging.
[04:45] <Mithrandir> elmo: argh, ok.
[04:46] <thom> sladen: i thought someone had it, but can't recall who
[04:51] <sladen> thom: that's what I thought too.
[04:51] <sladen> thom: can you remember who else was around and awake?
[04:51] <Kamion> it didn't all get transferred to the wiki?
[04:53] <sladen> Kamion: yes, hopefully.  I'm drawing to draw up all the documentation I can
[04:53] <thom> sladen: Kinnison ?
[04:58] <fabbione> daniels: you around?
[04:59] <daniels> fabbione: yeah, just got in
[04:59] <daniels> reading email now
[04:59] <daniels> the fruit didn't help any, but I'm at least capable of basic mobility now
[04:59] <Mithrandir> daniels: how are you feeling?
[05:00] <daniels> like utter crap
[05:00] <Mithrandir> what happened?  stomach revolt?
[05:02] <daniels> quite violent armed revolution, yes
[05:03] <daniels> so I spent most of today in bed; dragged myself up and went out to find some real food and got some fresh air before, starting to feel vaguely human again
[05:03] <fabbione> any arch guy around?
[05:18] <daniels> lesson #2 for the week: pasting URLs into mutt can cause mail loss
[05:21] <daniels> just paste http://www.happycow.net/europe/denmark/copenhagen/ into the folder of your choice
[05:21] <daniels> list folders recommended (glad I didn't lose any personal/non-archived mail)
[05:25] <ddaa> fabbione: wassup?
[05:27] <fabbione> ddaa: i am having a problem with baz
[05:27] <fabbione> to tag a release
[05:28] <fabbione> and i was searching a simple wy to do an "export"
[05:28] <ddaa> tag was phased out in favor of switch
[05:28] <ddaa> oops
[05:28] <ddaa> * in favor of branch
[05:29] <ddaa> Which does tag+switch
[05:29] <daniels> ddaa: the problem is that xorg--debian--6.8.1-0.3 is apparently an invalid version
[05:29] <daniels> can the version not have a - ?
[05:29] <fabbione> branch: invalid version name -- xorg--debian--6.8.1-0.3
[05:29] <ddaa> daniels: no, it cannot
[05:29] <daniels> tagging for every debian revision is pretty important to us, because it's the only way to ... ah crap
[05:29] <ddaa> if you want to call you revisions by arbitrary names, use a one-line config
[05:30] <daniels> any way around this, other than a text file noting that 6.8.1-0.3 == --patch-9?
[05:30] <daniels> have a config that looks like '6.8.1-0.3 xorg--debian--6.8.1--patch-9'?
[05:30] <ddaa> The usual practice is to create a 'dists' category with all configs.
[05:30] <daniels> any documentation I should be reading on configs?
[05:30] <fabbione> ddaa: ok.. what about "export"?
[05:31] <ddaa> daniels: no, make the arbitrary version the name of the config file
[05:31] <mdz> lifeless: pong
[05:31] <ddaa> the content of the configs only gives the revision and the directory name to get to.
[05:31] <ddaa> fabbione: how generic an export do you want?
[05:32] <ddaa> Want support for spaces and other weird stuff in file names?
[05:32] <fabbione> ddaa: like cvs export or svn export
[05:32] <ddaa> The "simple" export, until it's implemented in baz, looks like:
[05:32] <fabbione> ddaa: i want something that works indipendently of what i have
[05:32] <ddaa> (me checks if that's not already in the wiki, that's a faq)
[05:33] <ddaa> fabbione: the fully general one is a bitch, let me look
[05:33] <daniels> ddaa: oh, right
[05:33] <ddaa> because of drug-abuse^W^W pika-escaping in inventory output
[05:33] <fabbione> ok
[05:33] <daniels> ddaa: so, echo versions/6.8.1-0.3 xorg@canonical.com/xorg--debian--6.8.1--patch-9 > dists/version-6.8.1-0.3 ?
[05:33] <fabbione> i think i will be faster removing .arch by hand
[05:35] <ddaa> daniels: would call it something like dist/xorg/6.8.1-0.3, and It would use a fixed source tree name (e.g. xorg) instead of "versions/6.8.1-0.3"
[05:35] <ddaa> uuu
[05:35] <ddaa> configs/xorg/6.8.1-0.3
[05:36] <daniels> ddaa: ok, thanks
[05:36] <fabbione> daniels: ok. i killed the arch stuff.. i will release with what's in the archive now
[05:36] <ddaa> fabbione: let me look, there is probably a script around
[05:36] <fabbione> daniels: mind to take care of tagging?
[05:36] <fabbione> ddaa: i have done already thanks
[05:36] <mdz> morning
[05:36] <ddaa> fabbione: why ask for something if you cannot be bothered to wait 5 mins for the answer?
[05:36] <Kamion> fabbione: you could just use dpkg-buildpackage's support for excluding files
[05:37] <Kamion> then you can just build out of a working tree
[05:37] <ddaa> fabbione: notwithstanding that you make me feel like an idiot.
[05:37] <fabbione> ddaa: because i am in short of time. sorry. nothing to make you feel like an idiot
[05:38] <fabbione> Kamion: oh nice.. thanks. i will look into that
[05:38] <Kamion> you want the -i option
[05:38] <fabbione> ddaa: again.. thanks. i appreciate anyway and having an official way to do so is better
[05:38] <daniels> fabbione: i'll start building up some configs tonight
[05:38] <fabbione> ddaa: i am still here listening..
[05:38] <daniels> fabbione: i might have to drop off in a bit (or maybe I'll just put some gloves on and sync my mirror) because my hands are freeeeeeeeeezing ;)
[05:38] <Kamion> fabbione: the default value for -i already ignores {arch} and .arch-ids, though
[05:39] <Kamion> fabbione: unless you're building a native package, you should just be able to build away ...
[05:39] <ddaa> fabbione: okay, it's going take a little time, the recipe on the wiki is shit.
[05:39] <fabbione> Kamion: ah ok.. i need to see how it interact with dpkg-source -b
[05:39] <fabbione> ddaa: ok thanks :-)
[05:40] <Kamion> fabbione: this is in dpkg-source
[05:40] <fabbione> Kamion: even better :-)
[05:40] <fabbione> anyway... 6.8.1-0.3 is building.. expect a drop in a hour or so
[05:40] <fabbione> tomorrow we will go live
[05:41] <fabbione> FASTEN YOUR SEATBELT BABY!
[05:42] <fabbione> daniels: i will leave as soon as i can update the package files
[05:42] <fabbione> daniels: gf is pretending some time with her
[05:42] <fabbione> daniels: and i can't say she is not right
[05:46] <daniels> fabbione: sure, tha's fine
[05:47] <daniels> fabbione: if you need me to ssh in, check progress, upload, whatever, let me know
[05:47] <daniels> fabbione: i've got a while till I'll go back and crash
[05:48] <fabbione> daniels: nah i have evertything under control
[05:48] <fabbione> daniels: go and rest
[05:48] <fabbione> and come back alive tomorrow
[05:48] <daniels> awesome
[05:49] <fabbione> daniels: get ready for a long run :-)
[05:49] <daniels> heh :)
[05:52] <Kamion> elmo: any idea where wvstreams 3.75.0-1ubuntu3 went? I got an ACCEPTED mail, but the actual package seems to have disappeared into the ether
[05:53] <fabbione> elmo: do you think you can be around tomorrow when we upload x.org?
[05:58] <daniels> fc3 out with gnome 2.8
[06:00] <azeem> what version is NLD featuring?
[06:03] <tseng> 2.6
[06:03] <tseng> if it matters.
[06:04] <tseng> from what ive seen so far, it doesnt feature anything revolutionary
[06:04] <tseng> a bit of integration with with novell network services
[06:04] <tseng> and the openoffice improvements ximian has had for about a year now
[06:04] <Mitario> hello everyone
[06:07] <fabbione> daniels: only ppc missing :-)
[06:08] <daniels> fabbione: rad
[06:08] <fabbione> it's building the debs now
[06:15] <fabbione> ok.. they are all up
[06:15] <daniels> sweet
[06:15] <fabbione> mail is on the way
[06:16] <fabbione> chroots are clean again...
[06:16] <daniels> so we do the split and then upload?
[06:16] <daniels> (tomorrow)
[06:16] <fabbione> daniels: yes. split -> test -> test -> test -> test -> test -> test -> upload
[06:17] <fabbione> daniels: than we need to run to the airport and catch the first plane directed to any unreachable island in the pacific
[06:17] <daniels> heh, cool :)
[06:17] <daniels> australia is pretty unreachable in late december, i discovered :P
[06:17] <daniels> plus, we have no internet there
[06:18] <fabbione> yeah.. but people must not know where we are going
[06:18] <fabbione> ;)
[06:18] <fabbione> anyway
[06:18] <fabbione> i am off :-)
[06:18] <fabbione> everything is in place
[06:18] <fabbione> mail is out
[06:18] <fabbione> daniels: if you see mako around ask him to prepare an official announcement
[06:18] <fabbione> or something
[06:19] <fabbione> cya tomorrow
[06:19] <daniels> ok, sure
[06:20] <daniels> night dude
[06:25] <daniels> Kamion: nice one
[06:25] <daniels> ok, I'm heading back to the hotel (battery virtually dead, should attempt dinner anyway) now, might be online later on depending on how I feel
[06:26] <Kamion> does anyone know if .UTF-8@euro locales are useful for anything?
[06:26] <daniels> else, see you all tomorrow
[06:26] <Kamion> default currency choices or something?
[06:26] <Mithrandir> Kamion: they're not useful.
[06:27] <Kamion> are they identical to .UTF-8?
[06:29] <seb128> Kamion: #1755 
[06:29] <Kamion> yeah, that's pretty much the same as Debian #274491
[06:30] <Kamion> ah, but with more useful information
[06:30] <seb128> yeah :)
[06:30] <Kamion> ok, so the installer shouldn't perpetuate those
[06:50] <justdave> I was hoping Apple would have updated Disk Utility in 10.3.6 (just came out a couple days ago) so it wouldn't crash when you try to burn Ubuntu images, but no such luck.
[06:54] <ddaa> fabbione: in case you read the backlog, here is the excruciatingly complete recipe to export an arch tree: http://wiki.gnuarch.org/moin.cgi/Arch_20Recipes#export
[07:21] <fabbione> ddaa: cool!
[07:21] <ddaa> fabbione: It's also likely that fai has something packaged for that.
[07:22] <ddaa> In the medium term, baz should have something built-in, too...
[07:22] <fabbione> nice
[07:22] <ddaa> Now, you understand why I could not answer right away? :-)
[07:23] <fabbione> sorry but mine wasn't a complain
[07:23] <fabbione> i don't want you to feel that way
[07:23] <ddaa> Np.
[07:23] <fabbione> but yes i understand :-)
[07:23] <Kamion> fai? argh, name-clash
[07:24] <ddaa> Kamion: yeah, yeah... feel free to propose another name to abentley... anyway, most/all of it is probably going to be folded into baz eventually.
[07:27] <ddaa> fabbione: I just got irked by the "how can I do this? <scramble to find the correct, non-obvious, solution> Nevermind, I did it by hand." But I understand you were in a rush. So no problem.
[07:27] <fabbione> ok...
[07:27] <fabbione> gotta go for real now
[07:42] <Mitario> is there a way to check which version of ubuntu is installed? (hoary, warty for example)
[07:43] <amu> less /etc/lsb-release
[07:45] <Mitario> ah!
[07:45] <Mitario> ty
[07:45] <Kamion> elmo: can I have busybox-cvs-floppy-udeb, di-utils-bootfloppy, load-floppy in main please?
[07:47] <amu> Kamion: maybe i'm little late, but happy birthday! 
[07:47] <Kamion> amu: thanks :-)
[08:04] <Mithrandir> Kamion: do you remember what we did about the netboot branding thingies?
[08:04] <Mithrandir> Kamion: (as elmo reported in 3246)
[08:04] <Kamion> it's just choose-mirror, branding like any other
[08:04] <Kamion> looks branded to me
[08:05] <Mithrandir> hmm, why does elmo say it's not?
[08:06] <Kamion> the only mention of Debian I see in choose-mirror is in fuzzy templates
[08:07] <Kamion> ah, the version in warty had some missing branding
[08:07] <Kamion> it's fixed in hoary
[08:08] <Mithrandir> oh, ok
[08:08] <Mithrandir> care to comment that on the bug?
[08:08] <Mithrandir> or should I
[08:08] <Mithrandir> ?
[08:08] <Kamion> just did
[08:08] <Kamion> Mithrandir: a generated file had been branded rather than the file from which it was generated
[08:08] <Mithrandir> heh, ok.
[08:14] <Mithrandir> but that's fixed now?
[08:15] <Kamion> yep, I fixed it when doing the merge from Debian to hoary
[08:31] <Mithrandir> Kamion: bah, you rock, as usual. :P
[08:31] <Kamion> don't worry, the rest are a lot harder :)
[08:34] <doko> mithrandir: did you get a mail about my ia32-libs-openoffice.org upload?
[08:45] <Kamion> Mithrandir: can you reproduce #2651?
[08:47] <cenerentola> ciao
[08:53] <daniels> Kamion: ohnoyoudinnit
[08:54] <Kamion> ?
[08:54] <daniels> Kamion: <418A6337.7020401@canonical.com> on Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:13:27 +0100 says you didn't claim first blood :P
[08:55] <Kamion> daniels: I see no "done" on HoaryGoals :)
[08:55] <daniels> Kamion: ber
[09:19] <Mithrandir> Kamion: I can try tomorrow evening or so.
[09:41] <Mithrandir> thom: what's the easiest way to redirect people from www.foo.com to www.bar.com; both are on the same site, and I'd like deep links to be redirected properly as well.
[10:03] <amu> damm, freenode expect now a running ident? 
[10:04] <ChrisH> It did that always. But you can REJECT that port and still get in.
[10:06] <amu> looks like the last 30min. I cant join :( 
[10:09] <carlos> how could I see why aptitude is trying to install gstreamer-editor?
[10:23] <thom> Mithrandir: same VirtualHost ?
[10:24] <Mithrandir> thom: preferably, yes.
[10:25] <Mithrandir> I know I could use mod_rewrite, but it's so totally overkill. :)
[10:26] <thom> with different vhosts it's trivial - RedirectMatch /(.*) www.bar.com/$1 in the foo.com VirtualHost
[10:26] <Mithrandir> I could set up different virtualhosts, but it's silly, IMHO.
[10:26] <thom> otherwise, you're in mod_rewrite territory - you'd need to do a RewriteCond for the host, then RewriteRule similar to the redirect i just gave you
[10:27] <Mithrandir> that's even more silly.
[10:27] <thom> agreed (on both counts)
[10:27] <Mithrandir> it's less work to write another apachemodule.
[10:27] <Mithrandir> renamevhost or something.
[10:27] <thom> but if both are the same virtual host, why bother?
[10:28] <Mithrandir> one is going away at some point.
[10:28] <Mithrandir> so it's a gentle nudge for people to see the new url and update.
[10:29] <Mithrandir> (raw.no -> err.no)
[10:29] <thom> urgh, it never works
[10:29] <Mithrandir> of course it doesn't work, but it doesn't hurt either.
[10:29] <Mithrandir> it doesn't work 100%, it works the first 80% or so.
[10:29] <Mithrandir> which leaves the second, third and fourth 80%.
[10:31] <carlos> Mithrandir: the best option IMHO is a Redirect Permanent 
[10:31] <carlos> with that google like applications will update the links to the new URL
[10:32] <Mithrandir> carlos: I don't care about google, it'll pick up the new url fast enough.
[10:32] <Mithrandir> carlos: I care about people remembering URLs.
[10:32] <carlos> Mithrandir: the redirect permanent is like the RedirectMatch
[10:32] <carlos> so the people will see alse the new url
[10:32] <Mithrandir> carlos: yes, but it requires another vhost.
[10:32] <carlos> but as you already know, you will need two virtualhost entries
[10:32] <Mithrandir> which is silly.
[10:33] <Mithrandir> thom: what's a simple, standalone module I could use as a template?
[10:35] <|trey|> Mplayer in hoary used to provide codecs as part of the package, legal problems with that?
[10:36] <thom> Mithrandir: mod_example? :-)
[10:37] <Mithrandir> thom: it should be in its own source pkg.  I'm goddamn lazy. :P
[10:38] <thom> heh
[10:39] <|trey|> Without the codecs, might as well not have mplayer around  :(   no w32codecs package makes it useless  :(
[10:39] <thom> i need to package mod_zeroconf soon, that's pretty trivial. but i'd just grab the apache2 source and look in modules/experimental/
[10:39] <mdz> |trey|: I do not find that to be accurate
[10:39] <pitti> |trey|: I wouldn't go that far; for me mplayer works just great without any w32 codecs
[10:40] <|trey|> pitti, I can't play any movies that I have around now... for me, that makes my players useless  :(
[10:40] <pitti> |trey|: odd, I can play everything - DivX, DVDs, MPEGs, ...
[10:41] <pitti> |trey|: which codecs do you use?
[10:41] <|trey|> before the last upgrade, they all worked, thats why I have them around...
[10:41] <Mithrandir> thom: already at it
[10:42] <|trey|> pitti, the old mplayer-* packages used to include those codecs... last upgrade switched to marillats packages... these don't have codecs, and no w32codecs available...
[10:42] <|trey|> I forget who was maintainer before, but it wasn't Christian...
[10:42] <pitti> |trey|: ah, this may be a bug; I compiled mplayer myself, with all codecs
[10:42] <|trey|> pitti, you should upload that package then, far more useful  :)
[10:43] <pitti> |trey|: I did not package it, I just compiled the upstream sources
[10:43] <pitti> |trey|: I doubt that many people would like my version :-) No gui at all, just command line :-)
[10:43] <pitti> |trey|: but it is very fast because of this :-)
[10:43] <|trey|> pitti, atleast replace -nogui  :) thats what I use anyways  :)
[10:44] <lifeless> mdz: pingpong
[10:44] <mdz> lifeless: hi
[10:44] <sjoerd> pitti: did you have time to look at your arch thingie
[10:44] <lifeless> so yeah, tla in warty.
[10:44] <pitti> sjoerd: I tried it myself and got the 404
[10:44] <|trey|> pitti, would be greatly appreciated... seems silly to not provide the codecs when we provide mp3 etc already in multiverse  :(
[10:45] <pitti> sjoerd: however, I do not know why; it works fine with a browser
[10:45] <sjoerd> pitti: ah ok, them i'm not doing something stupid :)
[10:45] <pitti> sjoerd: I also tried to replace '@' with '%40', but that didn't do it...
[10:45] <sjoerd> pitti: it tries to access it with webdav stuff
[10:45] <pitti> sjoerd: I'll ask an arch guru how to confine that to plain http
[10:45] <sjoerd> ;)
[10:51] <mdz> lifeless: yeah?
[10:51] <lifeless> I thought it might be faster to chat here, rather than bug back n forwarding.
[10:51] <mdz> lifeless: I outlined the options in bugzilla; what makes most sense to you?
[10:51] <mdz> lifeless: have you talked to asuffield by any chance?
[10:52] <mdz> that's the best option from where I sit: Debian updates to more recent tla, and we follow Debian
[10:52] <lifeless> not about this specifically, but I have in the past. When Tom labels a new release as having happened, then asuffield will update his debian package for tla.
[10:52] <Mithrandir> asuffield is alive in #debian-devel on opn now, fyi
[10:53] <lifeless> I guess I'm more interested in the policy: I'm rather confused that we are considering updating tla in warty at all.
[10:55] <lifeless> asuffield does have daily debs of toms current code too.
[10:57] <mdz> lifeless: we aren't considering updating tla in warty
[10:57] <mdz> but in Ubuntu (i.e., hoary)
[10:57] <lifeless> ah, so this is for hoary. Right.
[10:58] <lifeless> I'd do a ubuntu-versioned package of baz after we release 1.0
[10:58] <lifeless> and let tla 1.3 come when it comes. 
[10:58] <mdz> it only needs an ubuntu version if it's a Debian package that's different in Ubuntu
[10:58] <mdz> 1.0-1 is fine for this
[10:58] <mdz> ok, sounds good
[11:06] <thom> yay, bye bye fam
[11:07] <pitti> thom: does that mean that gamin is now activated in Hoary?
[11:09] <thom> seems so, yeah
[11:11] <opi> Hello
[11:11] <opi> I've come across funny thing in DI
[11:12] <opi> having same problem with Ubuntu and Debian Sarge (netinstall)
[11:12] <pitti> sjoerd: I released pmount 0.3 which fixes all of your issues
[11:12] <opi> how do you think, where should I put my raport? DI developers, Ubuntu Bugzilla? Both? :)
[11:12] <pitti> sjoerd: it's now at my hp and I just uploaded the debian package
[11:12] <pitti> opi: bugzilla is preferred for bugs 
[11:13] <sjoerd> pitti: cool, nice work ;)
[11:13] <pitti> opi: if you have general questions or an installation report, then mail might be better
[11:14] <mdz> opi: search bugzilla _before_ filing a new bug
[11:14] <opi> mdz: okey
[11:14] <sjoerd> pitti: only the group thingie is left then ?
[11:14] <opi> pitti: well, I just try to put new software on old box
[11:14] <pitti> sjoerd: yes
[11:15] <pitti> sjoerd: well, and of course the missing uid checking for ext2 and the like
[11:15] <opi> pitti: first time I've got Installation running without problem, but I've messed up and decited to restart
[11:15] <opi> pitti: after that (I do not know why) DI didn't go behind module loading stage
[11:15] <opi> pitti: for both Ubuntu and Debian
[11:16] <opi> I know it sounds funny
[11:16] <pitti> opi: did you change any hardware since then?
[11:16] <opi> nope
[11:16] <pitti> opi: did you check the CD for faults?
[11:16] <opi> it was separated by 15 secs of reboot
[11:16] <opi> pitti: ISO had good MD5 (my other box is installed from it)
[11:16] <opi> pitti: and CDR looks ok
[11:17] <pitti> opi: you can boot the CD in expert mode and test the CD in the menu
[11:17] <opi> pitti: ok, I didn't knew about Test in expert
[11:17] <opi> pitti: I only did ,,custom'' before ;)
[11:18] <sjoerd> pitti: what was the behaviour if it can't get the uid again ?
[11:18] <pitti> sjoerd: it just allows it
[11:18] <pitti> sjoerd: it = unmounting