=== skyrider [~skyrider@ppp1.pool.123.com.ua] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:47] ddaa: Ok, think I've got it [12:47] Newer acpi code seems to help [12:47] Just let me do a couple of checks === ddaa lets mjg59 do a couple of checks [12:48] Gah. [12:49] No, that's not happy. [12:49] Oh, now that's very odd [12:49] The video has come back, but the sleep light is still on [12:50] Which implies that it's woken stuff up but never called the return from sleep ACPI methods [12:53] Gah. No, this is irritatingly broken. [12:53] mjg59: I'm turning into a pumpkin === ddaa [~ddaa@nemesis.xlii.org] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === ddaa [~ddaa@nemesis.xlii.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] ddaa: Sorry, I'm entirely failing to track down the problem here. [12:58] bah... sleep on it... maybe you'll get new ideas. [12:59] or maybe give me additional instructions to isolate what in hotplug is breaking. === asubedi [~asubedi@pcp04534808pcs.oakrdg01.tn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asubedi [~asubedi@pcp04534808pcs.oakrdg01.tn.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [01:00] In any case, goodnight. === tseng_ [~tseng@thegrebs.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chrisa_ [~chris@nullcode.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem [~mbanck@socks-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [~james@203-59-50-191.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chrisa_ is now known as chrisa === hypa7ia [~leigh@user34.megabit.utoronto.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hornbeck [~hornbeck@adsl-70-241-240-225.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hypa7ia [~leigh@user34.megabit.utoronto.ca] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === x4m [~max@162.156-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:55] jdub: you around? === winkle [~winkle@lgh3814234.vittran.norrnod.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:18] mdz: ping [07:34] hornbeck: yo === boglot [~logbot@mentors.workaround.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [doko@dsl-082-082-070-081.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SuperL4g [~colbyirc@CPE-69-76-188-71.kc.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === tuo2 [~foo@adsl-36-114.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === winkle [~winkle@lgh3814234.vittran.norrnod.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Crushed_Cigar [~amoeba@ACC0BA2B.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asw [~Alexander@node-423a728a.bos.onnet.us.uu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doogie [~adam@brown.brainfood.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maswan [maswan@kennedy.acc.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === winkle [~winkle@lgh3814234.vittran.norrnod.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Crushed_Cigar [~amoeba@ACC0BA2B.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asw [~Alexander@node-423a728a.bos.onnet.us.uu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doogie [~adam@brown.brainfood.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubuntulog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu development -- general discussion and support on #ubuntu | Hoary is here: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000005.html | Want to help? see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals | please do NOT upload ubuntu-meta === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by mdz at Sun Nov 7 23:47:21 2004 [11:16] (seb128/#ubuntu-devel) hum [11:17] elmo: We're reducing the frequency of updates for the ftp.acc.umu.se mirror, pending fewer "max connection reached" cron mails. [11:18] xorg-redhat-die-ugly-pattern-die-die-die.patch [11:18] ahhaha [11:18] that's the patch we were looking for [11:18] to kill the X pattern [11:19] nice name :) [11:19] this way, we'll only get it once a day, like all the other cron mails saying something is broken. :) === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:28] seb128: ah no, it's okay [11:28] cool === mojo_ [~mojo@220-244-212-78-vic.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doogie [~adam@brown.brainfood.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:47] fabbione: hurrah! at last! [11:48] no it won't be today [11:48] i found a bunch of bugs that need to be fixed before release [11:49] fabbione: boh. its only a two line chage ;) [11:49] fabbione: y he cheered up? is it b/c X.org out already???? [11:49] robtaylor: ? [11:49] mojo_: what? [11:49] fabbione: i was talking about xorg-redhat-die-ugly-pattern-die-die-die.patch [11:49] ahhaha [11:49] mojo_: please write plain english [11:50] robtaylor: ahh [11:51] fabbione: I just want to ask when the 1st beta CD of Hoary that contains X.org out? [11:51] mojo_: we need to get X.org into the archive first [11:51] mojo_: there won't be a 'beta' until march [11:51] jdub: thx for the info [11:55] I and my friends has finished creating pure GNOME theme for Downloader X (d4x), I'm looking forward to seeing some maintainers here to include d4x in next release (I still work on optimizing d4x for Ubuntu) [12:01] Is there a current list of bounties for Hoary already? === Kamion turns cdimage's cron.daily back on [12:15] hi Kamion, how's the head? [12:15] much better now, thanks [12:15] good to hear. :) [12:17] morning folks [12:17] morning thom [12:17] hey thom === kent [~kent@h104n1fls24o825.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] thom: if you have any great ideas on why our libc is broken while the one in Debian is fine, I'd be very grateful. [12:19] they're built the same way [12:21] exactly the same? if you build the two packages manually you still get brokenness on our one? [12:21] something freaky that linker optimisation does? [12:21] (it seems unlikely, but i thought i'd throw it out there( === fabbione commits suicide [12:25] fabbione: please, don't [12:25] well [12:25] foo 1.0 ships /etc/foo.conf [12:25] foo 2.0 ships /etc/foo2.conf [12:25] thom: i don't think we do linker optimisation for libc [12:25] the upgrade doesn't remove foo.conf [12:25] thom: only gnome packages that do it in debian/rules [12:25] if even foo.conf is not modified [12:25] fabbione: that's a feature [12:26] well, not sure about when it's not modified [12:26] Kamion: it sounds a bug to me [12:26] and i need to workaround it for approx 20 files [12:26] when it's not modified, maybe [12:26] i understand perfectly when it is modified [12:26] thom: I'm going to build the pure64 on hoary and see if that helps. === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.39.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] soooo now i need to add a shit load of checks into upgrade scripts [12:27] what does it mean when update-mozilla-firefox-chrome tells me "E: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions/installed-extensions.txt still present. Registration might have gone wrong."? === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione wants to orphan X [12:28] heh [12:28] Kamion: that you might have old extensions that haven't registered themselves with 1.0 correctly, i believe [12:28] jdub: you can adopt it now.. so you can split your l33t composite libraries and fix the 200K bugs as well :-) [12:28] heh [12:28] sweet! === fabbione watches jdub paiting the walls with fresh blood while fighting with Imakefiles === pinhead shows jdub the pleasure of pain [12:30] thom: the thing is that I'm in the process of converting an old extension *to* 1.0, and this error only started to show up in the middle of the conversion [12:30] I'd kind of like to know what exactly "might have gone wrong" [12:32] Kamion: oh, right. no idea :/ [12:36] jdub: have you got time for me..? === silbs [~sbsm0084@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] kamion: i love you === lulu [~lu@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] uh, ok [12:41] sorry but is that difficult to speak with any canonical's related with PR? [12:41] are you all going to mataro? [12:42] everyone in canonical is going to mataro [12:43] i'm here now [12:43] what can i help you with? [12:43] ok... [12:44] as you may not know.. an italian ubuntu community was born [12:44] las... [12:44] you posted about it on the mailing list [12:44] that was an italian spoken link [12:45] btw... as you said ive contacted the guys from ubuntuforums.. [12:45] its all ok for them, the forumll be up in moments.. now what about the mailing list? [12:45] it's on the way [12:46] thx.. now what about translating the website... [12:46] should i host it on ubuntulinux.it [12:47] the ubuntu site is translatable [12:47] speak to lulu [12:47] about it [12:47] or that's not necessary, and youre going to host it on ubuntulinux.org [12:47] mind im not talking about the wiki... ok then [12:48] what about the cds? [12:48] what about them? [12:48] ive ordered about 90 cds.. for free give-aways [12:49] during the linux day, nation-wide... [12:49] but as otherlugs said theyre not enough... [12:49] cenerentola: we're looking into linguaplone for the website, but it will be a little while before it's up and running. So, in the interim, we suggest you go ahead and translate, and we can integrate your translation work when it's in place. [12:52] lulu : have you checked the credential problem on the CMS ? === plovs_work [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] sivang: looking into it :o) [12:55] thom: *sigh* was a one-character mistake in the install.rdf file, url:mozilla:... instead of urn:mozilla:... [12:55] nice of it to give me such a clear error message so that I didn't have to compare it against another install.rdf file line by line to figure out what was wrong, wasn't it? :) [01:02] Kamion: see my total lack of surprise [01:02] heh === silbs [~sbsm0084@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] kamion: let me introduce you to the beauties of perl that could do it for you... larry bless [01:04] cenerentola: I'm sorry, but you're making no sense === Kamion <-- already a perl hacker [01:05] cenerentola: perl or indeed diff wouldn't have helped, I was comparing the sense of the files not the exact text. [01:07] kamion: it could tell you what words written in a certain manner did appear in only one file === sid77 [~sid77@host99-44.pool8020.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sid77 hello [01:08] kamion: that was a joke [01:21] thom: so, a funny thing happened when my acpi started working [01:21] ... on the way to the forum [01:22] jdub: ahr? [01:22] thom: i popped my laptop on the dock, closed the lid, and turned to the keyboard/mouse as usual [01:22] yup? [01:22] lock and chvt :-) [01:22] uh oh! [01:22] :-) [01:23] so i've been thinking about an NM-like power management controller [01:24] tedious, long-winded and a long wait at the end? [01:25] also, i can't find a way to figure out if this machine is docked [01:25] dmidecode | grep Chassis -A 10 [01:25] you don't get any events when you dock at all? [01:26] Keybuk: heh [01:26] ^ returns the docking station stanza if i booted docked [01:26] well, the USB CD device turns up [01:26] but otherwise, no [01:26] i'll have to investigate further [01:26] though, even if i can find something for this lappy, it's going to be very hard to generalise [01:27] (one of the benefits of separate windows drivers is setting policy for the particular hardware, not generalising in the OS) [01:28] thom: read nm list recently? [01:29] jdub: walters VPN stuff? [01:29] yeah [01:29] "let's redo dhclient!" [01:29] it's MAJOR crack [01:29] and typical redhat === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-4-55.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:33] sooo, i get an alpha tomorrow [01:34] heh, what kind? [01:35] XP1000 [01:35] 500Mhz ev6 [01:35] so google tells me [01:36] you're collecting heaters? :) [01:36] jdub: what about the cds then? [01:37] jdub: i nearly have everything that debian supports bar the silly arches [01:37] well, if you count mips* as silly, i'll have the lot soon [01:37] not bad [01:37] it's just about getting cold enough for me to boot mine up again [01:40] We (Doc Team) are about to install a repository. Is "arch" the tool to use in Ubuntu? I had intuitively used SVN. Or does it really not matter? :) [01:41] cenerentola: the CDs are being distributed this month [01:41] cenerentola: please try to keep discussion on channel :) [01:41] cenerentola: and be patient for answers [01:41] ive ordered about 90 cds.. for free give-aways [01:41] during the linux day, nation-wide... [01:41] but as otherlugs said theyre not enough... [01:42] cenerentola: the CDs are being distributed this month, if other LUGs want to order CDs, they can too [01:42] they told me to do the job... as they're looking at btlug, as the community center in italy [01:43] ..since [01:43] ... [01:44] so what's the problem? [01:44] am i allowed to order more cds? [01:45] yes [01:45] just go to the site and change your order [01:48] ok thx [01:48] ok... the config file issue should be solved [01:49] files === fabbione runs another build [01:50] cache hit 328529 [01:50] cache miss 19900 [01:50] it's not like i have been speding cpu cycles on anything else :-))) === fabbione grabs some food [02:01] fabbione: I've forgotten to mention it, but since the Xfree -> X.org I get "Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib" and "Gdk-WARNING **: cannot set locale modifiers" when I start a GNOME app [02:02] seb128/fabio: me too [02:02] cool :) === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] jdub: so, given that I've just built the first probably-working Hoary CD set, when do you reckon would be a good target for Array CD 1? [02:08] Kamion: so i've been thinking about hoary cds [02:09] Kamion: i kinda think it's a bit weird to have announced testing cds so early ;) [02:09] depends on your point of view :) [02:09] ;) [02:09] making installer changes already? [02:10] (impossible to get installer testing any other way) [02:10] well, I did just do the mass merge from Debian [02:10] and yeah, expect a number of early installer changes [02:10] let's just do it then ;) [02:10] though probably make the announce blurb scary enough [02:11] so that people don't feel that CD availability == 'beta' or encouragement, etc. [02:11] can I put in a request for array cds to be scheduled for Wednesdays this cycle? :) [02:11] totally [02:11] wednesday is the optimal day [02:11] the sounders being on Monday tended to result in me coming in after the weekend to find they were totally hosed [02:11] mmm, they weren't meant to be monday ;) [02:11] after a while, they weren't. :-) [02:12] ok, let's make this Wednesday's cron.daily run be Array CD 1 then [02:12] i dunno why i copied the older gnome style calendar [02:12] i'll fix that up [02:12] give it a couple of days to settle [02:13] beta> yeah, I set the CD label to "Alpha" [02:13] "early crack". :) [02:13] seb128, thom: i always got that message since X4.1.0 [02:14] if you can figure out what is wrong it would be cool [02:14] ok [02:14] jdub: (historically, the two-week CD cycle has been pretty good at making me get off my arse and finish my current round of changes, too :)) [02:14] :-) [02:19] elmo: please sync wireless-tools from unstable [02:20] elmo: please sync apache from unstable [02:20] apache1.3 [02:21] elmo: please sync gnumeric 1.3.93 from experimental [02:21] elmo: please xorg from fd.o [02:21] ;) [02:21] haha [02:22] oups, gnumeric 1.3.93 is in unstable [02:22] but still, need a sync [02:35] mithrandir: could you solve your glibc build problem? [02:36] doko: nope :/ [02:37] doko: the problem goes away if I turn off TLS [02:37] seb128: any news on that fam/gamin thing in libgnomevfs2-common? [02:38] gnome-vfs2 (2.8.3-0ubuntu3) hoary; urgency=low [02:38] * debian/control.in: [02:38] - Build-Depends on libgamin-dev | libfam-dev. [02:38] installed here [02:38] I've forgotten to upload ? === sid77 [~sid77@host99-44.pool8020.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Parting..."] [02:39] could be, dunno, just looking at germinate output [02:39] Kamion: I was probably waiting to restart a session with the new package to be sure that all is ok [02:39] ah [02:39] Kamion: uploading now [02:40] seb128: i've been using gamin on warty for ages now, btw :) [02:40] I'll go fix libwvstreams3-base now [02:41] mithrandir: did you prepare a new ia32-libs-openoffice.org package, or can I upload one without lib32gcc1 when I update to the new gcc-3.4.3 package? [02:41] doko: no, I haven't done it. [02:41] so please upload a new one in sync [02:44] doko, Mithrandir: is it normal that gcc fails all the test suite and still considered to build fine? [02:44] FAIL: gcc.c-torture/compile/20000504-1.c, -O3 -g [02:44] i see pages and pages of stuff like this [02:44] which architecture? [02:44] sparc [02:44] 3.3, 3.4, snapshot? [02:44] 3.3 [02:45] on the buiildd? [02:45] yes [02:48] 20001226 is the only testcase that fails at http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.php?&pkg=gcc-3.3&ver=1%3A3.3.5-2&arch=sparc&stamp=1098710590&file=log&as=raw === nmf [~nmf@213.30.75.8] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:49] hmm weird [02:50] fabbione: I don't know anything about gcc. :) [02:51] ok cool [02:51] config file transition is ok [02:52] people might have to merge manually if they did some modifications, but that's how it is === fabbione wonders if daniles is still alive [02:53] fabbione: are you working on a sparc port? [02:53] daniel alone in Copenhagen, part II? [02:55] doko: yes to the sparc port [02:55] daniel was very very ill this morning [02:55] he wrote me in pvt "brb" [02:55] ouch :( [02:55] and he didn't come back anymore [02:55] ew [02:55] i think he has been hitted by danish primes ;) [02:55] hang on, I thought you guys were in the same building? [02:55] i might have to go and take a look if he doesn't resurrect within dinner time [02:56] Kamion: he still sleep at the hotel [02:56] ah [02:56] my house is a building site [02:56] i don't really have place for people to sleep here [02:56] he barely has a chair where to sit :) [02:56] well, hope he gets well soon [02:56] yeah i am pretty sure he will be alright [03:00] grah, are any of the gnome anoncvs mirrors even vaguely up to date? [03:01] define "vaguely" [03:01] depends on your definition of 'up to date' [03:01] less than 2 days delta? [03:02] that reminds me, whats up with the tarball feed on pgnome/news [03:02] tseng: dunno, noticed it but haven't checked [03:02] hrm [03:17] daniels is still alive :-) [03:17] goodo [03:17] elmo: please sync gcc-3.3 from unstable [03:17] and the ati driver fix is compiling now [03:17] so you haven't been able to kill him with danish food, yet? [03:17] time to mount the metal bars on the dinining table :-) [03:17] Mithrandir: nope :( [03:18] danish "food"? flavours and colour addons dominate danish food (although a good hot dog ...) [03:19] doko: he had a hot dog yesterday evening [03:19] that's why he is close to die === kent [~kent@h104n1fls24o825.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:22] feed him danish soft ice cream, that will help ;) [03:22] seb128: new evolution does not let me send any mail... [03:22] seb128: is it a know bug? [03:23] no [03:23] seb128: it gives me connection refused, but the server works from a direct telnet session === hornbeck_ [~hornbeck@adsl-69-155-172-150.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:23] carlos: not a ssl issue ? [03:24] seb128: the smtp + ssl is activated after the connection is done (it uses also the port 25) === hornbeck_ is now known as hornbeck [03:24] let me change the smtp server... [03:24] carlos: it that ok if you don't use an ssl connection ? [03:26] seb128: testing it, btw, after the upgrade the auth option for the smtp is disabled, I need to renable it by hand (but i'm not able to test it at the moment) [03:28] seb128: yes, the problem is the "Use Always SSL option" [03:28] for sending, without it, it works [03:28] ok, so that's not an evolution problem apparently :) [03:28] are you sure? === amu [~amu@n6-76.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:29] Same options, same server, evolution 2.0 worked without problems... [03:29] the last bug reports about this have been closed a NOTXIMIAN IIRC [03:29] saying that's due to the server which is buggedf [03:29] -f [03:29] moinD [03:29] hi amu [03:29] seb128: could you give me an URL for that bugreport, please? [03:34] amu: we have a fix for that segfault you were getting with X.org [03:35] carlos: I've http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=68444, but it was with an imap server .. looking for mail sending [03:35] seb128: don't worry [03:35] I will search for it [03:35] I thought you had it located already [03:35] workrave is yelling and screaming at me [03:35] bbl [03:36] carlos: have you tried to wait some minutes ? [03:36] did we ever get a ical feed with meetings and stuff? [03:36] seb128: some minutes? [03:36] for what? [03:37] the problem is that it does not reachs the server or it tries to connect to the wrong server [03:37] carlos: to get the mail sent [03:37] the server logs does not have any connection attempt logged [03:37] seb128: yes, and same error [03:38] oh, you have an error ? [03:38] I thought is was just hanging [03:38] ok, so probably not the same issue I was thinking of [03:38] if you open an upstream bug please Cc: me :) [03:38] ok [03:38] :-) [03:39] seb128@debian.org or canonical.com? [03:40] debian [03:40] ok [03:40] I've not created different accounts with the new email [03:40] seb128 : have you patched #2221 yet? [03:40] sivang: no, so many bugs, I've not had time yet :/ [03:41] sivang: if you want to test the fix that would be nice :) [03:41] seb128: I will look at it tonight after work hours, I can use my local smtp server until it's fixed [03:41] seb128 : got it! :) === sivang finally found a reasonable patch to test [03:43] seb128 : did you track down the bug at all ? or just attched the proposed patch? [03:43] seb128 : I mean, I understand what happened in the perl code, just not sure when it did :) [03:43] I've not added anything [03:44] the upstream devel has attached the patch which has been commited in the CVS [03:52] seb128 : ok, I will test the fix [03:54] far out [03:54] stupid bogofilter [03:54] gar gar === jdub reads "we punched you in the face again!" in the bogofilter NEWS file [04:30] time to try NM with a wired connection, lets see how badly this breaks [04:36] badly [04:36] oh well [04:37] d'oh! I never uploaded the merged countrychooser [04:40] thom/fabbione/seb128/doko: done [04:41] thanks [04:43] elmo: also x.org? ;) [04:43] elmo: thanks btw.. you still rock! [04:43] elmo: seems we don't have elfutils in universe, could you sync that? === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:44] does anyone have pictures from Oxford of the usplash whiteboard? [04:44] Mithrandir: I don't see it in Debian ? [04:45] Mithrandir: #221761 [04:45] fabbione: just apache, I'm afraid [04:45] elmo: grazi :-) [04:45] elmo: sorry, I'm trying to track down what the package is; I need it for some glibc debugging. [04:45] elmo: argh, ok. [04:46] sladen: i thought someone had it, but can't recall who [04:51] thom: that's what I thought too. [04:51] thom: can you remember who else was around and awake? [04:51] it didn't all get transferred to the wiki? [04:53] Kamion: yes, hopefully. I'm drawing to draw up all the documentation I can [04:53] sladen: Kinnison ? === mako_ [mako@micha.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lupus_ [~lupus@kn-ivl-2.kuleuven.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:58] daniels: you around? [04:59] fabbione: yeah, just got in [04:59] reading email now [04:59] the fruit didn't help any, but I'm at least capable of basic mobility now [04:59] daniels: how are you feeling? [05:00] like utter crap [05:00] what happened? stomach revolt? [05:02] quite violent armed revolution, yes [05:03] so I spent most of today in bed; dragged myself up and went out to find some real food and got some fresh air before, starting to feel vaguely human again [05:03] any arch guy around? [05:18] lesson #2 for the week: pasting URLs into mutt can cause mail loss === sivang wonders if there is any way of feeding mutt with food from stdin [05:21] just paste http://www.happycow.net/europe/denmark/copenhagen/ into the folder of your choice [05:21] list folders recommended (glad I didn't lose any personal/non-archived mail) === __randy__ [~randy@sclab-25-433.sclab.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:25] fabbione: wassup? [05:27] ddaa: i am having a problem with baz [05:27] to tag a release [05:28] and i was searching a simple wy to do an "export" [05:28] tag was phased out in favor of switch [05:28] oops [05:28] * in favor of branch [05:29] Which does tag+switch [05:29] ddaa: the problem is that xorg--debian--6.8.1-0.3 is apparently an invalid version [05:29] can the version not have a - ? [05:29] branch: invalid version name -- xorg--debian--6.8.1-0.3 [05:29] daniels: no, it cannot [05:29] tagging for every debian revision is pretty important to us, because it's the only way to ... ah crap [05:29] if you want to call you revisions by arbitrary names, use a one-line config [05:30] any way around this, other than a text file noting that 6.8.1-0.3 == --patch-9? [05:30] have a config that looks like '6.8.1-0.3 xorg--debian--6.8.1--patch-9'? [05:30] The usual practice is to create a 'dists' category with all configs. [05:30] any documentation I should be reading on configs? [05:30] ddaa: ok.. what about "export"? [05:31] daniels: no, make the arbitrary version the name of the config file [05:31] lifeless: pong [05:31] the content of the configs only gives the revision and the directory name to get to. [05:31] fabbione: how generic an export do you want? [05:32] Want support for spaces and other weird stuff in file names? [05:32] ddaa: like cvs export or svn export [05:32] The "simple" export, until it's implemented in baz, looks like: [05:32] ddaa: i want something that works indipendently of what i have [05:32] (me checks if that's not already in the wiki, that's a faq) [05:33] fabbione: the fully general one is a bitch, let me look [05:33] ddaa: oh, right [05:33] because of drug-abuse^W^W pika-escaping in inventory output [05:33] ok [05:33] ddaa: so, echo versions/6.8.1-0.3 xorg@canonical.com/xorg--debian--6.8.1--patch-9 > dists/version-6.8.1-0.3 ? [05:33] i think i will be faster removing .arch by hand [05:35] daniels: would call it something like dist/xorg/6.8.1-0.3, and It would use a fixed source tree name (e.g. xorg) instead of "versions/6.8.1-0.3" [05:35] uuu [05:35] configs/xorg/6.8.1-0.3 [05:36] ddaa: ok, thanks [05:36] daniels: ok. i killed the arch stuff.. i will release with what's in the archive now [05:36] fabbione: let me look, there is probably a script around [05:36] daniels: mind to take care of tagging? [05:36] ddaa: i have done already thanks [05:36] morning [05:36] fabbione: why ask for something if you cannot be bothered to wait 5 mins for the answer? [05:36] fabbione: you could just use dpkg-buildpackage's support for excluding files === michiel_ [~michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:37] then you can just build out of a working tree [05:37] fabbione: notwithstanding that you make me feel like an idiot. [05:37] ddaa: because i am in short of time. sorry. nothing to make you feel like an idiot [05:38] Kamion: oh nice.. thanks. i will look into that [05:38] you want the -i option [05:38] ddaa: again.. thanks. i appreciate anyway and having an official way to do so is better [05:38] fabbione: i'll start building up some configs tonight [05:38] ddaa: i am still here listening.. [05:38] fabbione: i might have to drop off in a bit (or maybe I'll just put some gloves on and sync my mirror) because my hands are freeeeeeeeeezing ;) [05:38] fabbione: the default value for -i already ignores {arch} and .arch-ids, though [05:39] fabbione: unless you're building a native package, you should just be able to build away ... [05:39] fabbione: okay, it's going take a little time, the recipe on the wiki is shit. [05:39] Kamion: ah ok.. i need to see how it interact with dpkg-source -b [05:39] ddaa: ok thanks :-) [05:40] fabbione: this is in dpkg-source [05:40] Kamion: even better :-) [05:40] anyway... 6.8.1-0.3 is building.. expect a drop in a hour or so [05:40] tomorrow we will go live [05:41] FASTEN YOUR SEATBELT BABY! [05:42] daniels: i will leave as soon as i can update the package files [05:42] daniels: gf is pretending some time with her [05:42] daniels: and i can't say she is not right [05:46] fabbione: sure, tha's fine [05:47] fabbione: if you need me to ssh in, check progress, upload, whatever, let me know [05:47] fabbione: i've got a while till I'll go back and crash [05:48] daniels: nah i have evertything under control [05:48] daniels: go and rest [05:48] and come back alive tomorrow [05:48] awesome [05:49] daniels: get ready for a long run :-) [05:49] heh :) [05:52] elmo: any idea where wvstreams 3.75.0-1ubuntu3 went? I got an ACCEPTED mail, but the actual package seems to have disappeared into the ether [05:53] elmo: do you think you can be around tomorrow when we upload x.org? [05:58] fc3 out with gnome 2.8 === arunbhanu [~arun@bb220-255-56-206.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:00] what version is NLD featuring? [06:03] 2.6 [06:03] if it matters. [06:04] from what ive seen so far, it doesnt feature anything revolutionary [06:04] a bit of integration with with novell network services [06:04] and the openoffice improvements ximian has had for about a year now [06:04] hello everyone [06:07] daniels: only ppc missing :-) [06:08] fabbione: rad [06:08] it's building the debs now [06:15] ok.. they are all up [06:15] sweet [06:15] mail is on the way [06:16] chroots are clean again... [06:16] so we do the split and then upload? [06:16] (tomorrow) [06:16] daniels: yes. split -> test -> test -> test -> test -> test -> test -> upload === __daniel [~daniel@td9091be7.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:17] daniels: than we need to run to the airport and catch the first plane directed to any unreachable island in the pacific [06:17] heh, cool :) [06:17] australia is pretty unreachable in late december, i discovered :P [06:17] plus, we have no internet there [06:18] yeah.. but people must not know where we are going [06:18] ;) [06:18] anyway [06:18] i am off :-) [06:18] everything is in place [06:18] mail is out [06:18] daniels: if you see mako around ask him to prepare an official announcement [06:18] or something [06:19] cya tomorrow [06:19] ok, sure [06:20] night dude === __daniel [~daniel@td9091be7.pool.terralink.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Kamion has languagechooser changes that at least make a brave attempt to do UTF-8 by default [06:25] Kamion: nice one [06:25] ok, I'm heading back to the hotel (battery virtually dead, should attempt dinner anyway) now, might be online later on depending on how I feel [06:26] does anyone know if .UTF-8@euro locales are useful for anything? [06:26] else, see you all tomorrow [06:26] default currency choices or something? [06:26] Kamion: they're not useful. [06:27] are they identical to .UTF-8? === Kamion looks at #274491 [06:29] Kamion: #1755 [06:29] yeah, that's pretty much the same as Debian #274491 [06:30] ah, but with more useful information [06:30] yeah :) [06:30] ok, so the installer shouldn't perpetuate those === herzi [~herzi@d058175.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:50] I was hoping Apple would have updated Disk Utility in 10.3.6 (just came out a couple days ago) so it wouldn't crash when you try to burn Ubuntu images, but no such luck. [06:54] fabbione: in case you read the backlog, here is the excruciatingly complete recipe to export an arch tree: http://wiki.gnuarch.org/moin.cgi/Arch_20Recipes#export === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mitario [~michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:21] ddaa: cool! [07:21] fabbione: It's also likely that fai has something packaged for that. [07:22] In the medium term, baz should have something built-in, too... [07:22] nice [07:22] Now, you understand why I could not answer right away? :-) [07:23] sorry but mine wasn't a complain [07:23] i don't want you to feel that way [07:23] Np. [07:23] but yes i understand :-) [07:23] fai? argh, name-clash [07:24] Kamion: yeah, yeah... feel free to propose another name to abentley... anyway, most/all of it is probably going to be folded into baz eventually. [07:27] fabbione: I just got irked by the "how can I do this? Nevermind, I did it by hand." But I understand you were in a rush. So no problem. [07:27] ok... [07:27] gotta go for real now === ddaa -> dinner === vuntz [~vuntz@fennas.vuntz.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maskie [~maskie@196-30-111-194.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === silbs [~sbsm0084@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === lulu [~lu@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === seb128_ [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-9-186.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem [~mbanck@socks-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:42] is there a way to check which version of ubuntu is installed? (hoary, warty for example) [07:43] less /etc/lsb-release [07:45] ah! [07:45] ty [07:45] elmo: can I have busybox-cvs-floppy-udeb, di-utils-bootfloppy, load-floppy in main please? [07:47] Kamion: maybe i'm little late, but happy birthday! [07:47] amu: thanks :-) === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:04] Kamion: do you remember what we did about the netboot branding thingies? [08:04] Kamion: (as elmo reported in 3246) [08:04] it's just choose-mirror, branding like any other [08:04] looks branded to me [08:05] hmm, why does elmo say it's not? [08:06] the only mention of Debian I see in choose-mirror is in fuzzy templates [08:07] ah, the version in warty had some missing branding [08:07] it's fixed in hoary [08:08] oh, ok [08:08] care to comment that on the bug? [08:08] or should I [08:08] ? [08:08] just did [08:08] Mithrandir: a generated file had been branded rather than the file from which it was generated [08:08] heh, ok. [08:14] but that's fixed now? [08:15] yep, I fixed it when doing the merge from Debian to hoary === jbailey [~jbailey@dragonfly.fundserv.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kamion claims first "done" blood on HoaryGoals [08:31] Kamion: bah, you rock, as usual. :P [08:31] don't worry, the rest are a lot harder :) [08:34] mithrandir: did you get a mail about my ia32-libs-openoffice.org upload? === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.39.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:45] Mithrandir: can you reproduce #2651? [08:47] ciao === ddaa [~ddaa@nemesis.xlii.org] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === dasenjo [~dasenjo@201.245.164.85] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:53] Kamion: ohnoyoudinnit [08:54] ? [08:54] Kamion: <418A6337.7020401@canonical.com> on Thu, 04 Nov 2004 18:13:27 +0100 says you didn't claim first blood :P [08:55] daniels: I see no "done" on HoaryGoals :) [08:55] Kamion: ber === __randy__ [~randy@sclab-25-433.sclab.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz [~vuntz@fennas.vuntz.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === amu_ [~amu@n6-76.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:19] Kamion: I can try tomorrow evening or so. === vuntz [~vuntz@fennas.vuntz.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === arunbhanu [~arun@bb220-255-56-206.singnet.com.sg] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:41] thom: what's the easiest way to redirect people from www.foo.com to www.bar.com; both are on the same site, and I'd like deep links to be redirected properly as well. === vuntz [~vuntz@fennas.vuntz.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz dteste son ordinateur === amu__ [~amu@n6-77.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === amu [~amu@n6-76.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:03] damm, freenode expect now a running ident? [10:04] It did that always. But you can REJECT that port and still get in. === Fwiffo [~user@jep.dhcp.kampsax.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:06] looks like the last 30min. I cant join :( [10:09] how could I see why aptitude is trying to install gstreamer-editor? === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:23] Mithrandir: same VirtualHost ? [10:24] thom: preferably, yes. [10:25] I know I could use mod_rewrite, but it's so totally overkill. :) [10:26] with different vhosts it's trivial - RedirectMatch /(.*) www.bar.com/$1 in the foo.com VirtualHost [10:26] I could set up different virtualhosts, but it's silly, IMHO. [10:26] otherwise, you're in mod_rewrite territory - you'd need to do a RewriteCond for the host, then RewriteRule similar to the redirect i just gave you [10:27] that's even more silly. [10:27] agreed (on both counts) [10:27] it's less work to write another apachemodule. [10:27] renamevhost or something. [10:27] but if both are the same virtual host, why bother? [10:28] one is going away at some point. [10:28] so it's a gentle nudge for people to see the new url and update. [10:29] (raw.no -> err.no) [10:29] urgh, it never works [10:29] of course it doesn't work, but it doesn't hurt either. [10:29] it doesn't work 100%, it works the first 80% or so. [10:29] which leaves the second, third and fourth 80%. [10:31] Mithrandir: the best option IMHO is a Redirect Permanent [10:31] with that google like applications will update the links to the new URL [10:32] carlos: I don't care about google, it'll pick up the new url fast enough. [10:32] carlos: I care about people remembering URLs. [10:32] Mithrandir: the redirect permanent is like the RedirectMatch [10:32] so the people will see alse the new url [10:32] carlos: yes, but it requires another vhost. [10:32] but as you already know, you will need two virtualhost entries [10:32] which is silly. [10:33] thom: what's a simple, standalone module I could use as a template? [10:35] <|trey|> Mplayer in hoary used to provide codecs as part of the package, legal problems with that? [10:36] Mithrandir: mod_example? :-) [10:37] thom: it should be in its own source pkg. I'm goddamn lazy. :P [10:38] heh [10:39] <|trey|> Without the codecs, might as well not have mplayer around :( no w32codecs package makes it useless :( [10:39] i need to package mod_zeroconf soon, that's pretty trivial. but i'd just grab the apache2 source and look in modules/experimental/ [10:39] |trey|: I do not find that to be accurate [10:39] |trey|: I wouldn't go that far; for me mplayer works just great without any w32 codecs [10:40] <|trey|> pitti, I can't play any movies that I have around now... for me, that makes my players useless :( [10:40] |trey|: odd, I can play everything - DivX, DVDs, MPEGs, ... [10:41] |trey|: which codecs do you use? [10:41] <|trey|> before the last upgrade, they all worked, thats why I have them around... [10:41] thom: already at it [10:42] <|trey|> pitti, the old mplayer-* packages used to include those codecs... last upgrade switched to marillats packages... these don't have codecs, and no w32codecs available... [10:42] <|trey|> I forget who was maintainer before, but it wasn't Christian... [10:42] |trey|: ah, this may be a bug; I compiled mplayer myself, with all codecs [10:42] <|trey|> pitti, you should upload that package then, far more useful :) [10:43] |trey|: I did not package it, I just compiled the upstream sources [10:43] |trey|: I doubt that many people would like my version :-) No gui at all, just command line :-) [10:43] |trey|: but it is very fast because of this :-) [10:43] <|trey|> pitti, atleast replace -nogui :) thats what I use anyways :) [10:44] mdz: pingpong [10:44] lifeless: hi [10:44] pitti: did you have time to look at your arch thingie [10:44] so yeah, tla in warty. [10:44] sjoerd: I tried it myself and got the 404 [10:44] <|trey|> pitti, would be greatly appreciated... seems silly to not provide the codecs when we provide mp3 etc already in multiverse :( [10:45] sjoerd: however, I do not know why; it works fine with a browser [10:45] pitti: ah ok, them i'm not doing something stupid :) [10:45] sjoerd: I also tried to replace '@' with '%40', but that didn't do it... [10:45] pitti: it tries to access it with webdav stuff [10:45] sjoerd: I'll ask an arch guru how to confine that to plain http [10:45] ;) [10:51] lifeless: yeah? [10:51] I thought it might be faster to chat here, rather than bug back n forwarding. [10:51] lifeless: I outlined the options in bugzilla; what makes most sense to you? [10:51] lifeless: have you talked to asuffield by any chance? [10:52] that's the best option from where I sit: Debian updates to more recent tla, and we follow Debian [10:52] not about this specifically, but I have in the past. When Tom labels a new release as having happened, then asuffield will update his debian package for tla. [10:52] asuffield is alive in #debian-devel on opn now, fyi [10:53] I guess I'm more interested in the policy: I'm rather confused that we are considering updating tla in warty at all. [10:55] asuffield does have daily debs of toms current code too. [10:57] lifeless: we aren't considering updating tla in warty [10:57] but in Ubuntu (i.e., hoary) [10:57] ah, so this is for hoary. Right. [10:58] I'd do a ubuntu-versioned package of baz after we release 1.0 [10:58] and let tla 1.3 come when it comes. [10:58] it only needs an ubuntu version if it's a Debian package that's different in Ubuntu [10:58] 1.0-1 is fine for this [10:58] ok, sounds good === __randy__ [~randy@sclab-25-433.sclab.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mithrandir gets crushed under mod_example. [11:06] yay, bye bye fam [11:07] thom: does that mean that gamin is now activated in Hoary? [11:09] seems so, yeah === opi [~emil@195.69.82.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:11] Hello [11:11] I've come across funny thing in DI [11:12] having same problem with Ubuntu and Debian Sarge (netinstall) [11:12] sjoerd: I released pmount 0.3 which fixes all of your issues [11:12] how do you think, where should I put my raport? DI developers, Ubuntu Bugzilla? Both? :) [11:12] sjoerd: it's now at my hp and I just uploaded the debian package [11:12] opi: bugzilla is preferred for bugs [11:13] pitti: cool, nice work ;) [11:13] opi: if you have general questions or an installation report, then mail might be better [11:14] opi: search bugzilla _before_ filing a new bug [11:14] mdz: okey [11:14] pitti: only the group thingie is left then ? [11:14] pitti: well, I just try to put new software on old box [11:14] sjoerd: yes [11:15] sjoerd: well, and of course the missing uid checking for ext2 and the like [11:15] pitti: first time I've got Installation running without problem, but I've messed up and decited to restart [11:15] pitti: after that (I do not know why) DI didn't go behind module loading stage [11:15] pitti: for both Ubuntu and Debian [11:16] I know it sounds funny [11:16] opi: did you change any hardware since then? [11:16] nope [11:16] opi: did you check the CD for faults? [11:16] it was separated by 15 secs of reboot [11:16] pitti: ISO had good MD5 (my other box is installed from it) [11:16] pitti: and CDR looks ok [11:17] opi: you can boot the CD in expert mode and test the CD in the menu [11:17] pitti: ok, I didn't knew about Test in expert [11:17] pitti: I only did ,,custom'' before ;) [11:18] pitti: what was the behaviour if it can't get the uid again ? === sjoerd forgot [11:18] sjoerd: it just allows it [11:18] sjoerd: it = unmounting === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.39.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel === skyrider [~skyrider@ppp1.pool.123.com.ua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel