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mdzsladen: that page was migrated to https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CPUFreqModuleLoading12:00
Matt|[mirak] , you have to specify the file name of the package you want to install with dpkg -i12:00
ograben_: yep...(without the colons)12:00
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[mirak] ogra, i did ls to be sure im in the right directory.....and i coppied the name of the package from rename to be sure it is right12:00
ben_k12:00
mdzsladen: by the way, are you still interested in usplash development?12:00
[mirak] Matt|, i did12:00
Matt|[mirak] , use the tab button to complete the name of the file. If you can't get it, you're in the wrong directory12:00
ogra[mirak] : try ./ in front of the pkg name12:00
ogra[mirak] : no spaces12:01
[mirak] ogra, kk i will12:01
[mirak] ogra, same thing12:01
chuck__im pretty new to ubuntu and to change my dvdrecorder to DMA ive tried using hdparm and it wont let me12:01
[mirak] ogra, can i just rename it to like.... "test.deb"......and do it that way12:01
chuck__how do i do it?12:02
ogra[mirak] : dunno, never tried....12:02
Zimpeehelp me pls...12:02
Zimpeewhere can i set globally, which sound module gnome must use?12:02
[mirak] ogra, well, ill be the pig12:02
ograchuck: with sudo12:02
chuck__sudo hdparm?12:03
ograchuck: hdparm needs to run with admin rights12:03
ograchuck: yep12:03
[mirak] ogra, No packages found matching test.deb.      why deos it add that extra "." at the end?12:03
Zimpeehey!!! i am here, with questions, why don't you answer me?12:04
[mirak] ogra, it did that with the original name as well12:04
chuck__it still gives me an error12:04
ograchuck: what exactly do you type ?12:04
chuck__sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda12:04
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chuck__it sets it to on then turns it off12:05
ogra[mirak] : you are surely using dpkg ? not apt-get ?12:05
sladenben_ / Matt|: did you figure out which  module could be loaded, and if so can you me so that I can add your results12:05
VR^can i use kde with ubuntu?12:05
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ben_didn't work :p12:05
[mirak] ogra, sudo dpkg -l test.deb12:05
ZimpeeVR^: yes:)12:05
ben_cpufreq: failed to something state_2 something 012:05
ogra[mirak] : not L its a small i12:06
Matt|sladen, no i don't know how to figure it out12:06
VR^does kde come with the new release? i think i read somewhere that gnome is the default gui or something12:06
fwebbywhats some good burning software for gnome that supports bin/cue?12:06
[mirak] ogra, well that is the problem then12:06
sladenMatt|:  grep name /proc/cpuinfo12:06
[mirak] ogra, thnx12:06
Zimpeegnome is default, you have to get kde manually VR^12:06
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VR^Zimpee, thanks :)12:06
Zimpee;] 12:06
ograchuck: whats the errormsg ?12:07
[mirak] ogra, tis working now12:07
Zimpeewhere can i set globally, which sound module gnome must use?12:07
Matt|sladen, it is celeron 2Ghz12:07
chuck__ HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted12:07
dargoby312:07
jsantihow can I automatically load my .Xmodmap each time gnome starts? I tried xmodmap .Xmodmap in both .xsession and .xinitrc but none works12:07
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Matt|sladen, but i still don't know how to find the right module12:07
ograchuck: looks like its not supported by /dev/hda12:07
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umarmungZimpee, try gstreamer-properties12:09
[mirak] ogra, all is good, all is installed, thank you ever so much12:09
sladenMatt|: Q: Does the mobile Intel Celeron processor have the Intel SpeedStep technology feature?12:09
chuck__is there any other way to do it, i was using suse9.1 but heard all the hype about ubuntu and switched12:09
sladenMatt|: A: No, mobile Intel Celeron processors do not have the Intel SpeedStep technology feature. Intel SpeedStep technology is a feature found on all mobile Intel Pentium 4 processors - M and Pentium III processors - M at 600 MHz and above.12:09
ograchuck__: are you sure the device supports it ?12:10
Matt|sladen, i thought that that only applied to p2 celerons, not p4 celerons12:10
chuck__it supports ultra dma3312:10
Matt|sladen, but i have never been sure about it12:10
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Zimpeeactually, i have scratching sound, how to set it? VIA AC 97 <-- umarmung12:11
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ograchuck__: and: sudo hdparm /dev/hda|grep dma reports that its off ?12:12
sladenMatt|: if you have something in Windows that appears to show speed-slowing, I'll look into it, but for the moment I've added it to the script that it doesn't have it12:12
ben_my p3 might not be above 600mhz12:13
chuck__yup12:13
ben_so which driver would i use?12:13
Matt|sladen, i don't have any evidence like that! perhaps the best thing would be to email the guy who maintains the cpufreq kernel component and get a list12:13
Matt|there is a partial list in the readme i believe12:13
umarmungZimpee, i dont know, if you have sound you should have the correct module loaded12:13
ben_anyone, p3 under 600mhz, which cpufreq driver?12:13
Zimpeeumarmung: where can i set, whois module should the sound card use?12:14
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ograben_: i dont think your cpu supports it12:15
umarmungZimpee, i have no clue, i dont use that soundcard, but lsmod should show you what modules are loaded12:15
ograben_: got the same cpu here.... this one doesnt12:15
sladenMatt|: davej never responded, I'll wait until the next time I bump into him at a party ;-)12:15
Matt|sladen, name dropper ;p12:16
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Matt|linux parties huh?12:16
otherI've a question for anyone who can answer it, I gave away my ubuntu cd and anytime I go to upgrade the distro or anything else it asks for the cd, and I can't get the cd back, also I have no blank cds, what should I do?12:16
Matt|other, do you have a net connection?12:16
otheryes, how else would I be on here?12:16
chuck__ubuntu will send you as many distros as you want for free12:16
chuck__that was for other12:16
Matt|other, maybe on another computer12:17
Matt|other, but you can fix this: go to synaptic12:17
otherAh, well I'm on ubuntu right now.12:17
sladenben_: yours won't support power saving, but can you paste the output of   grep name /proc/cpuinfo   anyone, so I can mark it as such12:17
otherOK.12:17
ograchuck__: i guess they will only send CDs ;)12:17
chuck__my bad12:17
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sladenben_: s/anyone/anyway/12:17
Matt|other, then go to settings --> repositories, and enable the online repositories, and disable the cd repository12:17
ograchuck__: ...and probably only ubuntu ones *g*12:18
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otherI'll have to download synaptic unless it was installed on Ubuntu by default, so wait a few minutes.12:18
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Zimpeeit lists it umarmung, but i don't knows why it is scratching. i had no problem like this before. i could set xmms not to scratch. i chose ALSA output module, with soundcard: hw:0,1. cannot i set this to the whole gnome?12:18
Matt|other, it is installed by default: find it in Computer --> System Configuration12:18
otherAh thanks, I've needed something like this, just couldn't find it. Heh.12:19
Matt|other, it may be that it is already working12:19
Matt|other, try pressing "refresh" and then "mark all upgrades" and "apply"12:20
umarmungZimpee, gstreamer-properties and set it to alsasink, then apps like totem & rhythmbox should use alsa12:20
Zimpeeumarmung: need i restart or re-login?12:20
otherThank you very much, Matt|.12:20
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Matt|other, pleash12:20
Matt|cya later all12:20
umarmungZimpee, no, restarting the application should be enough12:20
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Zimpeeok12:21
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umarmungZimpee, also check that those scratches arent caused by some input-channel turned up to the max ;)12:21
kurtwHelp!  Does the shipping version of PHP include the MySQL library or am I just missing something.12:22
Zimpeethey aren't, i've checked:)))12:22
sladenben_: did you have any luck finding out the contents of    grep name /proc/cpuinfo ?12:22
ograsladen: model name      : Pentium III (Coppermine)12:23
ograsladen: we have the same one :)12:23
stuNNed_what's the new ubuntu wiki site?12:26
chuck__is there any other way to make dvd playback not so choppy with mplayer without dma12:26
chuck__i still cant change it yarrrrr12:27
ograhttps://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki12:27
stuNNed_ogra, thanks12:27
Zimpeedoesn't wrok, umarmung, gone system sound are still scratching.12:28
Zimpee*work12:28
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Lowry ogle is giving an error of no accelerated IMDCT found - display frame rate 0 fps12:30
stoneguyNew topic: Could anyone point me to instructions on how to get my mounted VFAT partitions as icons anywhere on the desktop?12:30
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ograwhat is ogle ?12:31
Lowrya dvd player12:31
Zimpeestone: create symlinks to your desktop i think12:31
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Zimpeeapropo12:31
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Zimpeei cant bbrowse my mounted vfat partitions as user12:31
Zimpeehow to mount them? i need it12:32
ograLowry: why dont you use totem ?12:32
ograLowry: just looking at the ogle page....its gtk1 ....12:33
KirschSomething the world needs: Wireless Power Adapters :-P12:33
LowryHow good is it on a low end g3?12:33
ograLowry: dunno...i can check it in the office tomorrow though12:34
ograLowry: got an old iMac there12:34
Lowrythx12:35
LowryJust trying different players12:35
LowryVlc gives 0.7.2 Bond12:36
LowryIllegal instruction12:36
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ograhttp://www.grawert.net/software/mrburns/12:39
hypa7iaogra: as in burning to audio cds?12:39
ograhypa7ia: yep12:40
stoneguyzimpee: Thx - that's start. Will go 'way and fiddle awhile with different mount options.12:40
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chuck__on to a new question.. i installed nautilus with synaptic and cant find it12:40
hypa7iaogra: hook me up12:40
hypa7iaor is that link it (can't open links right now, damn firefox)12:40
ograhypa7ia: garb it, read the instructions and mail bugreports ;)12:41
hypa7iachuck__: are you in gnome?12:41
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ograchuck__: on ubuntu ?12:41
hypa7ialol ogra12:41
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chuck__im on ubuntu12:42
hypa7iachuck__: nautilus is what you use to access your files.  so go to the computer menu at the top anc click "home"12:42
ograchuck__: so nautilus is already there12:42
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hypa7iathen you'll be in nautilus12:42
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ben_hi12:43
ben_did anyone answer my question?12:43
chuck__aha sorry im a newbie and was expecting something like k3e12:43
ben_p3 under 600mhz, which cpufreq driver?12:43
Zimpeei cant browse my mounted vfat partitions as user, how to mount them?12:44
ograchuck__: if you drop in a empty cd nautilus opens a window where you can drop your files to burn....12:44
hypa7iachuck__: nope, nothing like that.  insert a blankcd and a window pops up.... right-click on an iso and "burn to cd"12:44
chuck__thanx ogra and hypa12:44
ben_ogra: which cpufreq driver, speedstep-smi didn't work?12:45
ben_it might be under 600mhz12:45
ograben_: you are using the same cpu as i ? Pentium III (Coppermine)12:45
ben_ogra: yup, i think so12:45
hypa7iaso weird.  in windoze my burner won't go over 8x... nautilus burns at 24x :-)12:45
ograben_: mine cant do speedstep/cpufreq at all12:46
ogra:(12:46
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ben_ogra: amn12:46
ben_*damn12:46
ben_lol12:46
ben_i'll just try some other ones12:46
ben_and hope for the best :p12:46
ben_anyway, g2g12:46
ben_bye12:46
cyrus-tci ve just pointed out how to get the "forward and back" buttons working on my logitech mx500 mouse ;)12:46
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hypa7iacyrus-tc: where?12:47
leitaoplease, i want to make a dns cacher. should i use some special app, or bind does it?12:47
cyrus-tchypa7ia, http://www.teamstaroffice.org/download/sonstiges/mousemap-v0.4.tar.gz get this app first12:48
hypa7iaogra: i'm gonna try out mr burns later tonight12:49
hypa7iai'll let you know how it goes :-)12:49
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benhi12:49
ograhypa7ia: fine... keep in mind its not very responsive yet, so be patient before killing it, it may still work in the background ;)12:50
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benogra: where are the cpufreq drivers?12:50
hypa7iawhat's the addy on your apt repositoyu?12:50
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hypa7ianm found it :-)12:50
chuck__dont cry but i gotta go ill probably be back if google cant help me12:50
ograits on the software page12:50
ograthe link....12:51
benogra: was that to me?12:51
ogranope12:51
ograhypa7ia: http://www.grawert.net/software.html or https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu12:51
ograben: your cpu doesnt support it no matter which driver you use12:52
ograben: it wont work12:52
benwell it might *pouts*12:52
benlol12:52
WitigonenHey all, I'm having some trouble with playing DVDs.  .avi files work fine, but with DVDs, my computer gets really, really, really laggy and the sound has static.12:52
benok12:52
benhow else can i prolong battery life?12:52
benwhat stuff can i turn off?12:53
Kirschlol12:53
Kirschben: why u so eager to extend battery life?12:53
Kirschu've been here almost all day12:53
Kirschhahaa12:53
benbecause my battery life kinda sucks, alot12:53
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Kirschoh...12:53
benit's actually not too bad, but i got alot better battery life on windows 9812:54
ograben: you said P3 600, could it be the age of the batt ?12:54
benis there any way to set gnome to a 256 color mode?12:54
benogra: the battery is about 4 years old12:54
ograben: sounds like sony ....12:54
benbut it was used for about 2 years12:55
benthen on the shelf for 212:55
benand then i pulled it down and decided to put linux on it12:55
ben:p12:55
benogra: it's a compaq presario12:55
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bencrappiest computer in the world12:55
Zimpeezimpee@ubuntu:~ $ cd /mnt/c/12:55
Zimpeebash: cd: /mnt/c/: Access denied12:55
Zimpeezimpee@ubuntu:~ $12:55
Zimpeehow to mount my partitions? i want to browse, write them as user12:56
Zimpeethe root can12:56
ograZimpee: show your fstab line for /mnt/c/12:56
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Zimpeeogra: /dev/hda1       /mnt/c          auto    rw,user,umask=000  0       012:57
iminj_test12:57
ograZimpee: try /dev/hda1       /mnt/c          vfat    rw,user,auto,umask=000  0       012:58
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Zimpeeaccess denied12:59
ograZimpee: is it vfat ?12:59
Zimpeeit is01:00
Zimpeezimpee@ubuntu:~ $ ls -la /mnt/01:00
Zimpeetotal 7601:00
Zimpeedrwxr-xr-x    5 root     root         4096 2004-11-06 16:05 .01:00
Zimpeedrwxr-xr-x   22 root     root         4096 2004-11-06 15:15 ..01:00
Zimpeedrwxr--r--    7 root     root         4096 1970-01-01 01:00 c01:00
Zimpeedrwxr--r--    5 root     root        32768 1970-01-01 01:00 d01:00
Zimpeedrwxr--r--    6 root     root        32768 1970-01-01 01:00 e01:00
Zimpeezimpee@ubuntu:~ $01:00
Zimpeesry for flood01:00
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ograZimpee: thats mine, i can browse and mount it: /dev/hda1       /mnt/hda1       vfat    rw,user,noauto  0       001:01
beni have a PIII 600mhz01:02
benfor sure01:02
ograZimpee: so i d guess to leave the umask01:02
benit's on the compaq website01:02
benogra: it also says my laptop supports acpi01:03
Zimpeeaccess denied01:03
benacpi has yet to work at all for me though01:03
Zimpee[root can access it] 01:03
benit only seems to work on mandrake01:03
ben:(01:03
bendude, the manual that came with the comp says it has intel speedstep technology01:04
Zimpeemaybe it is that the x flag isnot set, don't you think ogra? can you show me your ls -la /mnt/01:04
Zimpee?01:04
benand it tells how to fiddle with it under windows01:04
benso where are the cpufreq drivers again?01:05
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ograZimpee: drwxr-xr-x    2 root     root            6 2004-09-27 22:11 hda101:06
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Zimpeewell, how to set +x to these directories?01:06
ograben913:  locate cpufreq|grep kernel01:06
Zimpeemaybe thats the trouble ogra01:06
kensaiwhich is a good download manager for gnome equivalent to kget?01:06
jason_why isn't there cdrdao w32codecs and tvtime in the AMD64 repositories?01:06
ograZimpee: sudo chmod +x /mnt/c01:07
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ograZimpee: unmount before01:07
Zimpeeright01:07
Gwildor3y3'/\/\ 4/\/ 31337 h4x0r! ............waht does that say?01:07
ben913ogra: "could not open database: No such file or directory"01:07
ograjason w32 != amd6401:07
GnuHippywhy?01:08
ograben913: oh, very fresh install01:08
ben913ogra: huh?01:08
Zimpeedrwxr--r--    7 root     root         4096 1970-01-01 01:00 c01:08
Zimpee <-- after chmod +x /mnt/c, ogra01:08
ograben913: look in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/drivers/cpufreq/01:08
GnuHippyogra?01:08
ograGnuHippy: w32 = windows 32bit binary codec files.....01:09
GnuHippyso there is no way to get them to work in 64bit linux?01:09
ben913ogra: oh, i think something is messed up; the only thing in those directories are things like cpufreq_powersave.ko01:09
ben913don't see any drivers :(01:10
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ograben913: /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/01:10
kensaithere is no good download manager?01:10
ben913kensai, for what?01:10
ben913firefox comes with a pretty good one01:10
ben913ogra: what's speedstep-ich and the other speedstep one?01:11
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ograben913: dunno, try them, they will complain if there is no such device01:12
ben913k01:12
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Zimpeethe trouble is, that at every mount, it changes the modes of the mounted dir.01:14
Ruffian|JANE|OMFG!why do people bash Ubuntu!  Libranet is my other favorite distro also: http://forum.libranet.com/viewtopic.php?t=5845&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=001:14
GnuHippyogra then how is it I can run a 32 bit version of cedega with 32 bit binary DLL files????????01:14
kensaiben913: downloading like 2 GBs01:15
GnuHippybut yet there is no w32codecs for amd6401:15
HrdwrBoBHave you noticed in the Ubuntu's literature that after install "root" has no password ?01:15
HrdwrBoBThis looks like a big "Trojan Horse" to me.01:15
HrdwrBoBhahaha01:15
mjrGnuHippy, you can use the win32codecs with a 32-bit player; this is unsupported with Ubuntu, though if you want to tune a bit you can set up a 32-bit chroot environment where to run them01:16
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hypa7iaHrdwrBoB: someone's not getting it eh01:16
jkka:)01:16
HrdwrBoBthey said you can't really use apt-get01:17
HrdwrBoBsomeone is also on CRACK01:17
mjrGnuHippy, docs to do that on Debian are at https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id258030 , pretty straightforward to apply to Ubuntu, if you don't mind getting your hands dirty01:17
hypa7iaoh ffs.01:17
ograGnuHippy: you can get the codecs.tgz file on the mplayer homepage....if they work on amd6401:17
hypa7iapeople are so silly.01:17
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Ruffian|JANE|Im using KDE in Ubuntu (Dont hate me for that), and I was wondering how I could set up a desktop shortcut icon for the / directory and automatically use it as root01:20
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TuxRoxI have a laptop with on-board ATI Radeon, and I have installed the driver, but it does not seem to work. Anyone know what I need to do to get full 3D support?01:21
mjrTuxRox, if yours is like mine, a low resolution ;/01:22
TuxRoxmjr, yes not great resolution, but I should have acceleration regardless.01:22
hypa7iaTuxRox: that's what i have, did you do the BinaryDriverHowTo on the wiki?01:22
mjroh, that's with 7500/16M and the free dri drivers01:23
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TuxRoxhypa7ia, not yet, I'll check it out. BRB01:23
hypa7iayupyup01:23
hypa7iaworked for me01:23
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sch1foguys01:24
sch1fowhen is the next versin of ubuntu coming out01:24
sch1focurrent version is garbagew01:24
sch1fowont even start gnome01:24
sch1foon my laptop01:24
hypa7iawhat vid card sch1fo?01:24
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sch1fonvidia geforce4 4200 go01:25
mjrsch1fo, is that some new way of asking for help?01:25
jordisch1fo: calling the current release garbage isn't so nice.01:25
Xenguymjr: hehe01:25
sch1fohad no problem with fedora01:25
jordimjr: amen01:25
sch1fomjr, i come in here every day to see if i can resolve this issue01:25
uhurucurrent rls is primo schlfo01:25
HrdwrBoBsch1fo: have you installed the nvidia drivers?01:25
uhurui might even say better than debian.01:25
sch1fohrdwrbob, did not01:25
HrdwrBoBsudo apt-get install nvidia-glx01:25
sch1foit detects it as a geforce4 generic01:25
mjrsch1fo, good luck with that01:25
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sch1fosame as how fedora detects it01:26
HrdwrBoBthen sudo nvidia-glx-config enable01:26
HrdwrBoBtry that01:26
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ben_hi01:26
sch1fok01:26
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sch1fowhat about getting my wireless card in monitor mode01:26
hypa7iawelcome back ben913 :-)01:26
sch1foanyone have experience with that?01:26
sch1foi ask that question every day01:27
hypa7iaspecifying the card might help sch1fo01:27
ben913ogra: what's the directory for the cpufreq drivers again? lol, last time, i promise :p01:27
ograben913: /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/01:27
sch1fohypa, its an prism2 i believe, with orinoco driver01:28
sch1foworks perfectly01:28
sch1fojust dont know how to set in monitor mode01:28
ben913ogra, what kind of cpu do you have?01:28
sch1foapparently i have to patch it01:28
ograben913: Pentium III (Coppermine)01:28
ben913what mhz?01:28
ogracpu MHz         : 595.81201:29
ben913how do you find that?01:29
ogracould be faster01:29
ben913all i get when i do the cat /proc/cpuinfo is the model01:29
ben913no clock speed01:29
ben913nvm, i found it01:31
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ben913last try at cpu scaling01:31
ben913brb01:31
stoneguymsg nickserv stoneguy link stoneguy_01:31
sch1foown3d01:31
aukelol01:32
TuxRoxhypa7ia, it seems as though the driver did not install in /lib/modules and if I try to modprobe from /usr/X11R6/lib/modules it can not find it.... :-(01:32
GnuHippyis there anyway to get the cdrdao package for AMD64?01:32
TuxRoxhypa7ia, even though it is there01:32
mjg59TuxRox: Files in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules aren't kernel modules01:32
mjg59They're loaded by the X server, not modprobe01:33
TuxRoxSo if I reboot, it should load?01:33
TuxRoxor restart X01:33
hypa7iayou prolly need to reboot01:33
hypa7iai did01:33
mjg59TuxRox: What are you trying to load?01:33
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Ruffian|JANE|If I make a root password using "passwd" can I still use sudo and use my user password?01:34
mjrRuffian|JANE|, yes01:34
mjg59Ruffian|JANE|: Yes01:34
HrdwrBoBRuffian|JANE|: yes01:34
Ruffian|JANE|ahahaha01:34
Ruffian|JANE|good01:34
mjrcome on, all together now!01:34
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aukeHm, say, does anyone know how well a debian-updated version of unbunty will be upgradable by a new ubuntu version?01:35
TuxRoxmjg59, i just want full hardware accel.01:35
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ograTuxRox: nvidia ? or ati ?01:36
ben913back01:36
TuxRoxogra, ATI01:36
ben913booo, it didn't work01:36
ben913it really annoys me though, because the compaq site says my that my exact model supports speedstep and acpi01:36
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ben913but neither acpi or speed step work01:37
ben913:(01:37
ograTuxRox: what says: lsmod|grep fglrx01:37
hypa7iaauke: i'm not really sure - i'd think as well as any other ubu install.  if you managed go deb -> ubu, you're ahead of most people already01:37
Lowry later01:37
Lowrylater01:37
aukeas in, I have some problems with rhythmbox 8.5.0 (which is shipped with ubu4.10) so I'd like to install debians' rhythmbox 8.8.001:37
hypa7iaauke: what about grabbing it from hoary?01:38
TuxRoxogra, comes up blank....01:38
aukeaah.. hoary is alive already somewhere?01:38
ograTuxRox: sudo modprobe fglrx01:38
ben913when is hoary being released?01:38
Ruffian|JANE|hehe01:38
hypa7iaspring next year01:39
aukehypa7ia, like, I can add the hoary repository to sources.lst? cool :)01:39
ograben913: april01:39
hypa7iathat you can01:39
TuxRoxogra, Module not found......01:39
aukegimme sec, lemme try :)01:39
ben913booo01:39
Ruffian|JANE|when hoary comes out I can apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade to it right?01:39
ograTuxRox: sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver01:39
TuxRoxogra, Synaptic shows the driver as already installed....01:39
ben913ogra: do you have a laptop? if so, are u running acpi or apm?01:40
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ograTuxRox: warty ? which architecture ?01:40
aukehypa7ia, hey, this seems to work dude, thanks a lot01:40
TuxRoxogra, Warty, on an i386 Pentium 4 laptop.01:41
hypa7ia<-- not a dude01:41
hypa7iabut glad to help :-)01:41
aukehypa7ia, ghehe dudette? :P01:41
hypa7iaheh, yup :-)01:41
aukeuhm, ah, that's unexpected :-)01:42
ograTuxRox: try to reinstall the driver01:42
TuxRoxogra, will do.01:42
aukegrr01:43
aukeok, how's this...01:43
auke"Unable to load file: no plugin loaded to open MP3 file - segfault01:43
hypa7iaauke: you need w32codecs01:43
ben913anyone know of any screenshots of 3ddesktop?01:43
aukefor mp3?01:43
ograauke: rhythmbox ?01:43
mjrbah, you need gstreamer0.8-mad01:43
aukeogra, yup01:43
ograauke: gstreamer0.8-mad01:44
mjrshouldn't segfault without it, tho01:44
TuxRoxogra, It still does not show up in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-2-386/kernel/driver/video...... :-(01:44
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sch1foguys, how can i get the kernel source01:44
hypa7iaauke: might want to file a bug about the segfault01:44
hypa7iasch1fo: in synaptics01:45
ograTuxRox: you should run apt-get dist-upgrade this kernel is way old01:45
TuxRoxogra, I see, will do.01:45
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ograsch1fo: linux-source is what youre looking for01:45
aukemm, alot of gstreamer thingyes, but no -mad package01:45
sch1fohypa, whats it called01:45
mjrauke, it's in universe01:45
sch1foogra, k thx01:45
ograauke: is in universe, did you enable it =01:46
ogralol, mjr01:46
aukeaah... mm...01:46
aukeok, that's a bit dissapointing - so I do have to select universe to be able to listen to mp3's?01:46
ograauke: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats01:46
mjryes you do, because mp3 is a restricted format01:47
auke...01:47
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TuxRoxogra, I'm a little lost. Call it RedHatism, but I tried dist-upgrade and it came back with 0 insta, 0 upgrade, etc...01:47
mjrrecommend to prefer vorbis, but for existing mp3 files, just get the codec01:47
aukeTuxRox, did you do apt-get update first?01:47
ograTuxRox: apt-get upgrade before ?01:47
aukeah, ok01:47
ograauke: is right...my typo01:48
TuxRoxok, i'll do that first.01:48
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TuxRoxThat didn't work either...... Not too sure why the kernel is getting exculeded....01:49
ograTuxRox: what did happen ?01:49
TuxRox0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.01:49
ograTuxRox: could you send me your /etc/apt/sources.list ?01:50
TuxRoxYa, wait one.01:50
aukehypa7ia, ogra, thanks that solved it :)01:50
hypa7iayay!01:50
ogra;)01:50
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aukeand indeed I try to use FLAC/vorbis as much as possible but my ipod doesnt eat those nice ogg's... :(01:50
aukeGRRRR01:51
aukesegfaul again01:51
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theineHi, I'm still getting no sound under hoary (although I do get it when the login screen comes up). I just did a dist-upgrade, but still the same problem. Is this a common problem?01:56
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hypa7iaauke: i'd ask that on the mailing list, it sounds like a good thing to have documented01:57
aukehypa7ia, uhm, sure, I think - but I'm sort-of new in this whole ubu thingy :)01:57
theineguys?01:57
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Auke(hmm, that might give the wrong idea in some aspects... )01:58
hypa7iaAuke: moi aussi, no worries01:58
Auke;] 01:58
Auketheine, did you have a look at 'gnome-volume-control' ?01:58
theineAuke: Thanks buddy, I had...01:59
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Aukehmm, does 'cat /dev/sndstat' look interesting?02:00
Pustulotheine, I had a similar problem.. was a USB webcam getting detecteed before ther onboard sound02:00
theineThe problem seems to be related to esd... killall appearently solves the problem -- not a very nice solution of course02:01
theine``killall esd'' i mean02:01
Pustulotheine, that doesn't sound like my problem any more :)02:01
Auketheine, in that case it seems like you should teach your apps to use esd... or perhaps install alsa-esd02:01
mjrhmh, esd shouldn't reserver the device when nothing's playing02:01
mjr-r02:02
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DrAk0where i can download the latest iso plz02:02
theinemjr: but it does, plenty of people in the forums have the same problem as I just saw02:02
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Matt|is there any way to get hold of the old BLUE ubuntu artwork stuff from the original warty release?02:04
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Pustulotheine, hmm this might be like my problem..  Do you have any hotplug/USB/PCMCIA devices with microphones or sound capabilities?02:05
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theinePustulo: not that I know of02:07
cornflakewhere can i find a howto on setting up cdrecord?02:07
cornflakefor ubuntu, anyway...02:07
HrdwrBoByou don't setup cdrecord02:07
Pustulotheine, OK.  ignore me :)02:07
HrdwrBoByou just run it02:08
HrdwrBoBwhat are you trying to acheive02:08
DrAk0O_o02:08
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cornflakeHrdwrBoB: then wut's the burn command?02:08
DrAk0i just want download the OSI and i can't find it02:08
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tmartinhow do i change the background and foreground color of my xterm windows?02:09
Matt|tmartin, are you using gnome-terminal?02:10
litenxterm -fg grey -bg black02:10
tmartinxterm02:10
HrdwrBoBcornflake: it depends, cdrecord is quite complicated, what are you actually trying t5o DO02:10
tmartinhow do i find what colors are supported?02:10
tmartinare all html hex colors accepted?02:10
ograDrAk0: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso02:11
litentmartin: you can have a look at google for ".Xresources"02:11
DrAk0ogra, Thanks!02:11
Auketmartin, try 'xterm -bg "#AABBCC" -fg "#DDEEFF"'02:11
Auke(don't type the 's, but do type the "s02:11
tmartinAuke, that worksk02:12
Aukeof course :P02:12
Pustulotmartin, /etc/X11/rgb.txt02:12
Matt|how can i install gdm themes?02:12
Matt|where do i put em?02:13
Aukeand you can use the hint on Xresources to make this automatic for each xterm you start up.02:13
cornflakeHrdwrBoB: i'm trying to burn a music cd02:13
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tmartinthx pustulo02:13
HrdwrBoBcornflake: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc speed=24 -audio track1.wav track2.wav02:13
Pustulotmartin, those are predefined, named colours02:13
HrdwrBoBwill burn an audio CD with those tracks at speed 24 with the device in /dev/hdc02:14
cornflakeHrdwrBoB: ok, i'll try that02:14
cardadorMatt|: computer > sys conf > login screen setup > graphical > install new theme02:14
tmartinactually using those predifined names doest work02:14
Matt|cardador, thanks, i unzipped it in the /usr/share/gdm/themes dir hopefully it will work02:15
Pustulotmartin.  weird02:15
Auketmartin, they should... try for example 'xterm -bg cornsilk'?02:15
tmartinthat worked02:15
Aukethen which name did you try?02:15
tmartinAliceBlue for foreground02:15
tmartinthat didnt work02:16
Pustuloany error msg?02:16
Aukehm, that works for me02:16
Auke(do note that it looks very close to white um?)02:16
tmartinoh ok02:17
Auke:-P02:17
tmartinyea it worked for bg so its gotta be working for fg too02:17
tmartincan i resize the xterm window?02:17
tmartinim lookin at the man..02:18
tmartinlotta options02:18
Pustulotmartin try it.. at worst your system explodes in smoke02:18
Pustulotmartin, -geometry XxY02:18
tmartinoooo sweetness02:19
tmartincan xterm be transparent too?02:20
Aukenope02:20
Pustulotmartin, not normally02:20
Auke(try aterm or gnome-terminal for that02:20
Pustuloor eterm02:20
tmartinreason im using xterm is becvause gnome terminal wasnt recognizing escape sequence colors02:21
tmartinor whatever it is that allows you to view colors on ur filesystem02:21
Pustuloick02:21
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Aukedude, you got colors on your filesystem? what did fsck day?02:22
Aukeerr, *say?02:22
HrdwrBoBer02:23
HrdwrBoBls --color02:23
HrdwrBoBI think is what he means02:23
tmartinwell imean when i do ls02:23
tmartini get colors for dierectories02:23
HrdwrBoByeah02:23
Aukeoh, really... (sorry, I'm joking)02:23
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Pustuloick.. colours.. i never got used to colours on ls.. unalias ls is one tf the first things I do :)02:24
tmartinoh haha02:24
Pustulomind you, im colour-blind02:24
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tmartinah well then it looks a bit diff for you02:24
Aukeah :-) I usually use ls -F , because that also works on old sun boxes02:24
billytwowillywhat is the password for cups administration?02:24
tmartini just dont like all the verbosity of ls -l so colors help02:25
Pustulols -Fc is my norm02:25
tmartinoh ok02:25
tmartinthat works02:25
vortex25I could never get that cups web interface working, so I just used the Computer->System Configuration->Printing02:25
theinebillytwowilly: tried your root password?02:25
tmartinjust for me colors are more quickly recognized than asteriks02:25
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billytwowillytheine, I tried it, it didn't work02:26
Pustulotmartin, Ive been playing with UNIces since 1990.. ls -Fc has been around  longer than colour ls :)02:26
theinehmmm... that's odd02:27
Pustulotmartin, * @ + and / mean more to me than colours02:27
theineI really thought it's the root password02:27
tmartinwhats @ and +02:27
Pustuloi meant =, not +02:28
Pustulo@ is a link I thought02:28
billytwowillytheine, I thought it was too.... what should I be using for the username?02:28
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theinebillytwowilly: root02:28
exfarmboyQuestion from a newbie... tried installing Ubuntu on an old pentium, using the Smart Boot Manager floppy and the Ubuntu boot CD.  The boot menu came up but the CDROM drive was not listed as an option.  I tried specifying the I/O address directly and that did not work.   The primary and secondary ide channels are at addresses02:29
billytwowillytheine, that doesn't work..02:29
Pustulo= is a pipe i think02:29
theinebillytwowilly: you've done ``sudo passwd root'' right?02:29
exfarmboyWoops... sorry... cut my sentence off.  Anyone willing to chat for a bit to help me out?02:29
billytwowillytheine, uhh. I have a password.. I changed it with the user and group thingy.02:30
billytwowillywouldn't that just wipe the password?02:30
theinebillytwowilly: yes, you sure have a password, but maybe root has none yet02:30
billytwowillyno, I mean the root user has a password02:30
billytwowillyI can su and put in my password and become root.02:31
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theinebillytwowilly: I see, well the you should be fine of course02:31
bitowhat is MD5 for word: damasio?02:31
bitonow iam in windows02:31
theinebillytwowilly: Sorry that you aren't as far as cups is concerned02:31
billytwowillytheine, but no closer to figuring out why cups hates me;)02:31
bitosorry02:31
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Aukefe9ea670b5d795d7310c01e03fd6022e02:32
bitodamasio02:32
Aukeyep02:32
cornflakeHrdwrBoB: that command didn't work02:32
HrdwrBoBcornflake: no, you need to modify it to be the same as your stuff.02:32
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billytwowillyBASTARDS! "Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu Computer > System configuration > Printing."02:34
billytwowillyhow do I unscrew this up?02:34
HrdwrBoB...02:35
HrdwrBoBuse menu-> system conf-> printing02:35
billytwowillyI like the web interface.02:35
billytwowillyThat's at the top of the webinterface.02:35
HrdwrBoBhumour me02:35
HrdwrBoBand try using that02:36
billytwowillyI am using that. I want to know how to unmess up the cups web interface. If you guys are going to disable it you should include directions on how to fix it.02:36
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cornflakeHrdwrBoB: nvm, it worked, but it just did a bad  burn02:37
HrdwrBoBok cool02:37
housetierbillytwowilly we are bastards, remember?02:37
billytwowillyhousetier, Yah, but I'm trying to give you an opportunity to prove me wrong;)02:37
housetieryou missed the opportunity to show respect02:38
HrdwrBoBbillytwowilly: essentially, the web interface shouldn't be used, that's the intention, however I'm sure you can re-enable it02:39
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HrdwrBoBthough I'm not actually sure how02:39
HrdwrBoBsince I just used the gui printer dialog02:39
theinefor me, gnome-cups-manager doesn't even start...02:40
theineI'm using hoary as I should probably add02:40
HrdwrBoBheh02:40
Pustuloeasy.. dont use a printer... save trees :)02:40
HrdwrBoBthat might be why02:40
robertjokay, undergoing the wife test02:41
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robertjHostname screen causing intimidation02:42
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robertj"are these case sensitive" "Can I erase the ubuntu"02:42
HrdwrBoBrobertj: yeah that's a matter of some problem02:42
HrdwrBoBthe question is not really 100% necesarry02:43
HrdwrBoBbut irritating to change02:43
robertjthat's a tough one02:43
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Pustulochange wife.. much easier.. though more expensive02:43
robertjI'd say a reverse lookup should be attempted, and if it doesn't work, give it a random or default hostname02:43
robertjThe moment of truth...the partitioning step02:44
hypa7iareverse == not so useful for those on dynamic ips02:44
hypa7iait will often return a value, but that value could be wrong on the next login02:45
robertjhypa7ia: if it fails they likely don't have any hostname policys02:45
robertjoh, that's right02:45
hypa7iayes, but if it succeeds it could still prove problematic02:45
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robertjI could see it being stupid but not problomatic02:46
robertjsay your hostanme is like this fellow CPEblahblahblah81b02:47
robertjand it changes to something similar but not the same02:47
robertjis it really any worse than "mybox432"02:47
ben913why does linux ring the system bell like 2 or 3 times on start up and shut down02:47
robertjben: not sure, did you do a normal ubuntu install?02:48
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ben913robertj: yeah02:49
ben913i think it beeps because of errors, but why would it beep on shut down then?02:50
desphey02:50
robertjben: my guess is pci02:50
robertjerr pcmcia02:50
despcan someone explain to me why gvim opens a file showing both its beginning and its end?02:50
ben913ok, so how do i fix that? :p02:51
despI'd much rather have just one view into the file02:51
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emaa02:52
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andrilhello all again02:52
andril:)02:53
ben913robertj: how can i make it not beep for pcmia stuff?02:53
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robertjfind the packages that beep and remove them02:53
Pustulopcmcia only beeps when its enabling/disabling things.. removing pkgs wont fix anything02:54
Pustulounless you dont want to use pcmcia cards02:54
tmartinahhh i cant change the default terminal in gnome to xterm with options02:54
tmartinit keeps applying my options to the gnome terminal02:54
robertjok, partition stage did nto go well with wife02:55
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robertj"Install Ubuntu on free space" needs to get in there ;)02:55
HrdwrBoBrobertj: check bugzilla02:55
HrdwrBoBand file a bug report feature request :)02:55
ben913how do i know what's making the beep?02:56
ben913if i have a wireless card in the pcmia slot, would that make it beep on start up?02:56
HrdwrBoByeah02:57
HrdwrBoBa lot beep on pcmcia insert02:57
HrdwrBoBplug in the card = beep02:57
HrdwrBoBwhen you bootup and it starts up, it detects the card is plugged in02:57
HrdwrBoBand beeps02:57
Pustulothere's a beep for detection and one for enabling I think02:57
tmartinthe preffred applications wont accpet xterm -bg "AliceBlue" in the custom terminal section02:58
tmartinne1 successfully changed their default terminal under gnome?02:59
Pustulotmartin, are you sure there isn't a setting for gnome-term to use the ascii colour thing?02:59
Pustulotmartin, it seems odd to me that the gnome-term wouldnt grok the colours02:59
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M-and-M_w00t03:00
tmartini got gnome-terminal working03:00
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tmartinits just damn slow compared to xterm for startup03:00
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Pustulotmartin, sheesh hard to please:)03:00
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spoxyo03:00
tmartinwell heck thats why im using ubuntu03:00
eclipsehi, anyone in here knows how to install a firefox skin manually?03:00
tmartinso i can customize the hell out of it03:00
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schifoguys03:01
eclipseno one?03:01
spoxjeezz the only thing which I hear these days is "that's why I'm using ubuntu"03:01
eclipsehi, anyone in here knows how to install a firefox skin manually?03:02
Pustuloeclipse.. look at the firefox/mozilla site for it03:02
schifohow do i download the kernel source guys03:02
eclipsei know but i just want a quick answer03:02
Pustuloeclipse: under preferences , go to the themes settings03:02
ben913HrdwrBob: so how would i stop it from beeping?03:02
Pustuloeclipse: its pretty intuitive03:02
ben913it's really annoying to take out the card and then put it back in03:02
Pustuloben: turn the volume down  or unplug the speaker :)03:03
schifohow do i download the kernel source guys03:03
schifoi tried searching for kernel-source in synaptic but i dont see 2.6.803:04
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eclipsepustulo, i don't see it03:04
Pustuloeclipse, under tools, sorry03:05
Pustuloeclipse, i dont have one handy to look at03:05
ben913it's a laptop, and volume doesn't effect it03:05
eclipsei can't find it03:05
eclipsethe only way to install is by letting firefox install it03:06
Pustuloyes03:06
Pustulowell maybe03:06
eclipseactually i found a site that shows u how03:06
Pustulothat's the easiest03:06
Pustuloben: i have an answer for you03:07
Pustuloyou owe me beer03:07
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bigtquestion can someone kindly help me with getting firefox to work with ubuntu please? it keeps giving me bus error03:08
Pustuloben: you need to pass "cardmgr" a "-q" argument03:08
ben913Pustulo: where do i put that?03:08
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Pustuloben: gimme a minute03:08
ben913Pustula: thanks a bundle ;)03:09
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Pustuloben:  you need to edit /etc/init.d/pcmcia03:10
Mojo_JojoHi, I was wondering why not all my files are "previewed" while others are?03:10
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Pustuloben: look for the like with "CARDMGR_OPTS"03:10
Pustuloben, you should be able to just put "-q" afte rthe =.  There might be a better way to do this, but this should work03:11
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Pustuloben.. argh.. my advice is based on a redhat 9 install, not ubuntu, so i might be wrong03:12
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ben913Pustulo: yeah, rthe =. isn't in there03:13
ben913what should i put in front of cardmgr_opts ?03:13
Pustuloben, don't touch it :) you might be doin the wrong thing03:13
Pustuloben... i dont have a pcmcia setup to refer to :/03:13
ben913oh, lol03:14
Pustuloben:  i know you need to get the -q option to the cardmgr, but I can't tell you how to do it without the scripts handy03:15
ben913oh, alright03:15
ben913i can always fiddle with it later03:15
Pustuloben, sorry03:15
ben913what's cardmgr -q mean?03:15
ben913cardmgr quiet?03:15
Pustulo-q = quiet03:15
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ben913what would happen if i put -q in front of cardmgr_opt ?03:16
Pustuloi dont know, you may well break your pcmcia stuff03:16
ben913if it doesn't work or messes something up, it will just mess up pcmia, right?03:16
ben913well i can always change it back, correct?03:17
Pustuloben, i guess (no warranties disclaimer here)03:17
Pustuloben, send it to me if you want03:17
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despcan someone help me?  I want to build gedit from source, and have it recognized by the apt package system.  what do I need to do?03:18
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nevyndesp: why do you want to build it from source?03:19
tmartinhow would i edit my XResources file so that whenever i start up XTerm with just the command "xterm" my color choices are applied?03:19
despnevyn: I want to fix the black-cursor-on-black-background bug03:19
tmartinor coudl i put a file in my user dir?03:19
despnevyn: I can't believe nobody uses gedit in white-on-black mode03:20
nevynit's not fixed in the latest version in warty?03:20
despno, it's not.03:20
Pustulotmartin .Xresources or .xresources, I think03:20
Pustulotmartin, not sure of the format03:20
tmartinyea ok i think i just found a page on google03:20
HrdwrBoBdesp: you would need a source line in apt-get03:20
HrdwrBoBthen you can apt-get source gedit03:20
HrdwrBoBand build it from the ubuntu sources into a deb03:21
despHrdwrBoB: oh, nice.03:21
despthx03:21
Mojo_Jojoanyone here have luck installing dvdrip?03:21
Pustuloheh.. hanging out in here sure beats working03:22
HrdwrBoBPustulo: heh03:23
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robertjdebian installer allows resizing of ntfs partitions on the fly right?03:25
HrdwrBoBI beleive so03:25
robertjso where did that option go?03:25
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HrdwrBoBoh, if it's not there, no03:26
despHrdwrBoB: can you tell me how exactly should I build it from the ubuntu sources into a deb?03:26
HrdwrBoBdesp: lookup how to make a deb03:26
despokay03:27
HrdwrBoBit's the same process03:27
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bob2robertj: it's not in warty's installer03:28
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bob2and I'd be really really paranoid about backaups before trying anything like that03:28
zenwhenhopefully my k3b install will finish tonight03:29
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robertjbob2: but why is it not03:29
zenwheni need ot make a big fat backup of this install to dvd03:29
zenwhento*03:29
bob2robertj: because it was added after warty forked03:30
robertjbob2: oh03:30
bob2well, "diverged"03:30
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Tsjoklathey all03:37
hypa7iahey Tsjoklat :-)03:38
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Ruffian|JANE|Anyone who disses Ubuntu is an idiot03:39
Tsjoklathi hypa :)03:39
tvonheh03:39
Tsjoklatlol hi Ruffian03:39
tvonRuffian|JANE|: need to stick that on a t-shirt with naked people on the back03:40
Ruffian|JANE|AHAHAHAHAHA03:40
hypa7iayes tvon!  i'd buy one :-)03:40
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Ruffian|JANE|I hate those naked people! what was the people at Ubuntu thinking?03:40
bob2chill dudue03:40
TsjoklatI would buy one too03:40
Pustulommmm nipples03:40
zenwhenhaha03:40
tvonShuttleworth was a big defender.  I think they were fine but I can understand how it could go over wrong with a lot of people.03:40
Ruffian|JANE|Why you always dissin bob2?03:41
TsjoklatI d/l the november desktop.. removed it very fast03:41
bob2Ruffian|JANE|: I'm not dissing anyone, it's just that you get very excited and off-topic very quickly03:41
zenwhenI think the current login screen is pretty nice.03:41
TsjoklatI like you excited Ruffian :)03:42
Ruffian|JANE|that black dudes a playa03:42
TsjoklatI think it is a girl though03:42
zenwhenyeah03:42
zenwhenit is03:42
Tsjoklatlol03:42
zenwhen?:(03:43
despincredible! so I don't need to rebuild gedit from source just to change the cursor color! who would've thunk. http://neugierig.org/content/gtk2/03:43
Tsjoklatzenwhen grew a wig03:43
hypa7ianice desp :-)03:43
Pustuloif you're offended at tose pics, you should see what I have on my wall here at work03:43
Ruffian|JANE|lol03:43
Pustulopic of my baby girl freshly extracted from the whom03:43
Pustulothey dont get nuder than that03:43
Ruffian|JANE|lol03:43
Tsjoklatnot offended at all...03:43
Ruffian|JANE|un-tarred03:44
nomasteryodalol03:44
weaselloubuntu says I can't get access to httpd.conf :(03:44
nomasteryodacongrats03:44
Pustulostill with womb-cheese03:44
weaselloopens read-only03:44
Tsjoklatcongrats Pustulo03:44
Tsjoklatbut you are refering to something nice and personal03:44
Pustulohey... thanks... wasnt fishing for that, but tah anyhow03:44
Pustulo:)03:44
Tsjoklatfreshly extracted... lol03:45
nomasteryodahey, my baby girl is now 1003:45
nomasteryodaso yea, i remember03:45
Tsjoklat'daddy is a bit caught up with ubu darling'03:45
Pustulobut it isnt personal for ppl i work with.. i'd be pretty miffed if they objected03:45
Tsjoklatyou never forget yoda03:45
nomasteryodayea03:45
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benhi03:45
zenwhendid any ubuntu cds ship yet?03:45
Tsjoklathi ben03:45
beni got the beeps to stop03:46
Ruffian|JANE|ya, I orderd like 30 and nothing came03:46
stuNNedanyone ever add RPC based services to /etc/initd.conf?03:46
Pustulow00t!03:46
benthanks to the guy who helped me :)03:46
zenwhenben03:46
Pustuloyou legend, ben03:46
Tsjoklatben has beeps that won't stop03:46
benzenwhen: wat?03:46
zenwhenyou mean the pc cpeaker beeps?03:46
zenwhenspeaker*03:46
stuNNeds/initd/inetd03:46
bob2zenwhen: they'll be there in a couple of weeks03:46
benzenwhen: yeah, it was because of pcmcia03:46
zenwhenoh03:46
Ruffian|JANE|I ordered 30 Ubuntu CDs like a couple of weeks ago and nothing arived!!03:46
zenwhenI wish my pc speaker didnt work03:47
benthe ubuntu CDs didn't ship yet, i don't think03:47
bob2Ruffian|JANE|: yes, wait03:47
hypa7iaRuffian|JANE|: it's still in the topic...03:47
zenwhenBecause I dont like that it beeps when im doing stuff in the terminal03:47
TsjoklatI don't even have speakers plugged in03:47
TsjoklatI like it silent03:47
zenwhenwell03:47
zenwhenI like speakers03:47
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nomasteryodasometimes that is nice03:47
zenwhenbut im tlaking about the pc speaker03:47
nomasteryodaquietly meshing with the ubuntu03:47
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benanyone ever use boot icons?03:48
Tsjoklatboot icons?03:48
nomasteryodalike boots?03:48
nomasteryodaor booties?03:48
Tsjoklatdoes anyone in here uses Alexandria?03:48
benboot-icons03:49
benit's a package03:49
nomasteryodaah03:49
nomasteryodaok03:49
benit adds graphical icons when booting03:49
PustuloI've rescued one lost soul today... time for tea03:49
beni dunno, thought it would look cool03:49
ben:p03:49
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nomasteryodalol03:49
nomasteryodai rescued one lost soul too03:49
Tsjoklatnever heard of it03:49
Tsjoklatthe boot icons03:49
bensearch synaptics03:49
weaselloI can't find a PostgreSQL entry in the Synaptic package thingy. Am I looking in the wrong place?03:50
TsjoklatThis Package modifies the boot progress to show small graphics03:50
Tsjoklatin the non-scrolling area of the screen (at the top, next to03:50
Tsjoklatthe Linux penguin).03:50
Tsjoklatwell I haven't seen it ben, nor used it sorry03:50
hypa7iaweasello: it might be in universe03:50
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Tsjoklathey weasello... are you up and running?03:51
TsjoklatI just looked and it is in synaptic weasello03:52
weasellotsj: yep!03:52
Tsjoklathappy?03:52
weasellowell, so far. Can't figure out a few things, but I'm just getting started03:52
weasellohypa: what's universe?03:52
Tsjoklatweasello: do you know how to add rep to synaptic? or are you more familair with sources.list?03:52
weasellotsj: I know neither of which you speak03:53
Tsjoklatok I'll help03:53
Tsjoklatcd /etc/apt03:53
Tsjoklatyou'll see sources.list03:53
Tsjoklatyou do: sudo nano sources.list03:54
nateaanyone know why when i mount my Mac OS HFS+ partition and try copying a file to it, it says that it's read-only?03:54
nateai used: mount -o rw -t hfsplus /dev/hda4 /mnt/macosx03:54
Tsjoklatand there you'll see something like: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main03:54
Tsjoklatnow for you to enable the universe rep do this:03:55
Tsjoklatmake it that it reads: main restricted universe multiverse03:55
Tsjoklaton all of them03:55
Tsjoklatmake sure they are all uncomment03:55
Tsjoklatmeaning no: #03:55
despokay03:56
Tsjoklatdo this for security also03:56
despso can someone tell me what do I need to do for my .gtkrc.mine file to take effect?03:56
ninkendodoes ubuntu backport the radeon driver from xorg?03:56
ninkendointo XF4.3, that is03:56
Tsjoklatthen close it ctrl x03:56
bob2natea: does linux support writing to hfs+?03:56
Tsjoklatand do: sudo apt-get update03:56
Tsjoklatsudo apt-get upgrade if you like03:56
despbob2: yes, although there's a bug if the hfs+ volume is heavily fragmented and you try to create a file03:57
Ruffian|JANE|apt-get upgrade is good03:57
Ruffian|JANE|it upgrades03:57
Ruffian|JANE|=)03:57
nateabob2, i'm not sure - i also tried to use 'hfmount' but it says that the volume is not a HFS+ volume.03:57
Tsjoklatthen apt-cache search postq (what ever you want)03:57
Tsjoklatif you are not sure about the file: do a apt-cache show filename03:57
Tsjoklatread about it :P03:57
HrdwrBoBnatea: I had that with my ipod03:57
HrdwrBoBI unmounted it03:57
Tsjoklatthen sudo apt-get install filename03:57
HrdwrBoBused hfmount/hfumount03:57
Tsjoklatand you are good to go weasello03:57
HrdwrBoBthem mounted it again03:58
HrdwrBoBit was all good03:58
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nateaHrdwrBoB, how has the firewire support been with Ubuntu?03:58
Tsjoklattoo hard weasello?03:58
nateai'm experiencing strange freezes when i plug in my external Firewire HD.03:58
Hikaru79Gah, I'm such an idiot03:58
HrdwrBoBnatea: I used USB03:58
Hikaru79How do you burn an .iso in Nautilus' CD burner?03:58
TsjoklatI can tell you the synaptic way if you like?03:58
HrdwrBoBHikaru79: right click, burn to cd03:58
despplease, someone, tell me -- how do I create a .gtkrc file that takes effect in gedit?03:58
bob2Hikaru79: right click. "write to cd"03:59
Hikaru79HrdwrBoB, I tried that03:59
Hikaru79But it actually BURNS the iso03:59
bob2desp: .gtkrc-2.003:59
HrdwrBoBer03:59
Hikaru79Like, I end up with a single ISO image03:59
Hikaru79File03:59
HrdwrBoBthat's what you said you wanted03:59
HrdwrBoBer03:59
despbob2: and then what, restart gdm?03:59
Hikaru79Not the actual contents of the iamge =/03:59
HrdwrBoBHikaru79: I have personally used it03:59
nateaHrdwrBoB, so the 'hfmount' cmd mounted your ipod with no probs?03:59
bob2desp: no03:59
HrdwrBoBare you sure your image isn't containing an image03:59
HrdwrBoBnatea: tbh I'm not sure wtf it did03:59
HrdwrBoBnatea: it took no options03:59
Hikaru79It's the Ubuntu i386 installer... so yes, I'm sure :P03:59
HrdwrBoBthe error in dmesg said to umount/mount03:59
HrdwrBoBHikaru79: what's the md5sum of the iso04:00
Tsjoklatcomputer: system configuration: synaptic: settings: repositories: put on ever Section line: main restricted universe multiverse04:00
Tsjoklatclose04:00
Tsjoklathit reload04:00
Hikaru79Let me check, HrdwrBoB04:00
Tsjoklatsearch: filename04:00
Tsjoklathope that helps.. command line person myself04:01
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Hikaru79a491903a2d2197651864dec3836d85e0  warty-release-install-i386.iso04:01
huttananyone installed ati drivers on a default ubuntu kernel?04:01
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nateaHrdwrBoB, yeah i thought it was a bit strange that it took no args.04:01
TsjoklatI went with the default huttan... works perfect04:01
HrdwrBoBHikaru79: looks right04:02
Hikaru79Yup...04:02
Pustuloi have fglrx stuff running04:02
HrdwrBoBHikaru79: so you right clicked on it04:02
huttanTsjoklat, how did you install the drivers ?04:02
HrdwrBoBand selected 'write to disc' ?04:02
Hikaru79And yet, here I have it... a CD with just a plain .iso file on it04:02
huttanTsjoklat, i cant find my kernel-source04:02
Hikaru79Oooh04:02
Hikaru79Oops04:02
HrdwrBoBhehe04:02
Hikaru79I moved it to the burn:// thing first =P04:02
Hikaru79Then I "write these files to CD"04:02
HrdwrBoBhehe :)04:02
HrdwrBoByeah04:02
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HrdwrBoBah well04:02
HrdwrBoBblank CDs are cheap :)04:02
Hikaru79True04:02
weaselloI'm handling it, thanks Tsjoklat :) I added the lines in sources.list and am now using synaptic to reload and browse! Now let's see if I find everything I'm looking for :)04:03
Tsjoklatah you will :) it's like a candy store04:03
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nomasteryodayea04:03
weaselloWhat's the difference between Uni/Multi verse?04:03
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despbob2: yes! I got it working. thanks for your reluctant help ;)04:03
nomasteryodatoo much to choose from04:03
Tsjoklathuttan I never installed any ati drivers04:03
Tsjoklatweasello an ubu dev told me it is inbetween universe and main04:04
Tsjoklatdon't ask, I have no clue what that is suppose to mean04:04
HrdwrBoBmultiverse is the 'nonus' stuff04:04
HrdwrBoBlike mplayer etc etc04:04
Tsjoklathuttan: I don't like chewed up kernels.. I build my own04:04
huttanTsjoklat, i tried to make my own, it wouldnt boot on my sata disks04:05
Tsjoklatbut the ati card worked out of the box.. before building my own kernel04:05
Tsjoklatubu was very good with it04:05
weaselloI've installed Apache into Ubu, but see no way to interface with it in Gnome :/ Is it strict command-line only?04:06
Tsjoklatdid you build support in for the sata huttan?04:06
TsjoklatI don't know anything about apache weasello sorry04:07
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hypa7iaweasello: i think it's pretty much commandline and config files yeah04:08
weasellohow about this... There's some config files I want to make shortcuts to on my desktop. How would I go about doing that?04:09
weaselloThat's user-friendly enough for me :)04:09
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hypa7iaright-click on the desktop and add a launcher i think04:09
schifoguys04:09
schifoi tried searching for kernel-source in synaptic but i dont see 2.6.804:09
Tsjoklatright click on your desktop and add launcher.. specify what sort... service etc.04:10
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TsjoklatLinux kernel source for version 2.6.8 with Debian patches04:10
TsjoklatThis package provides the source code for the Linux kernel version 2.6.8.04:10
Tsjoklatit's in there schifo04:10
boodaREGISTER itzmeagin04:10
schifowhat is it called04:10
Tsjoklatdo a search for kernel-source04:11
schifoi did04:11
Tsjoklatand it should pop up04:11
schifoi get a few04:11
huttanTsjoklat, yeah04:11
schifobut not 2.6.804:11
huttanTsjoklat, but couldnt boot root fs04:11
Tsjoklatdo you have universe enabled?04:11
huttanTsjoklat, do you by any chance know where i can get the kernel-source for 2.6.8.1-l-386 ?04:11
schifonot sure, pretty new to synaptic, please elaborate04:11
boodahello all I just installed ubuntu and would like to have my terminal and command line04:11
Tsjoklattried kernel.org?04:11
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hypa7iabooda: applications > system04:12
Tsjoklatschifo.. scroll up? I just launched weasello into synaptic land04:12
britt_radiofreei've heard there's some great acpi improvements in 2.9.1 ... would love to see that brought in from deb-unstable04:12
schifonot sure what that meant TSjoklat04:12
Tsjoklatboth 2.6.8 and 2.6.9 are in ubu list04:12
hypa7ia2.9.1 what britt_radiofree ?04:13
Tsjoklatschifo I just explained to weasello how to enable universe04:13
britt_radiofreeso ... imap broken in evo testing for anyone?04:13
Tsjoklatcould you scroll back to read up schifo?04:13
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britt_radiofreehypa7ia, ack 2.6.9 :)04:13
hypa7iabritt_radiofree: testing as in hoary?04:13
Tsjoklat computer: system configuration: synaptic: settings: repositories: put on ever Section line: main restricted universe multiverse04:13
Tsjoklatclose04:13
hypa7iabritt_radiofree: it's in the pipes, otherwise, just grab a vanilla kernel off kernel.org04:13
Tsjoklathit reload04:14
britt_radiofreehypa7ia, 2.6.9 (with mm patches i believe) is in deb unstable ... i didn't see it in ubuntu earlier today when i did a quick search04:14
Tsjoklatclick status04:14
britt_radiofreehypa7ia, i'm too lazy to build my own ... i can wait04:14
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GnuHippyI want x.org04:14
hypa7iabritt_radiofree: there's your answer then :-)04:14
hypa7iai'm waiting for 2.6.10 actually04:15
Tsjoklatlol hypa :)04:15
hypa7iaso i know where you're coming from04:15
Tsjoklat<-- running 2.6.1004:15
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HrdwrBoB2.6.10-rc104:15
HrdwrBoByou mean04:16
weaselloso I made a launcher on my desktop that points to an apache config file, but when I double click on it it loads up the contents of the launcher file not the target of the launcher file :(04:16
zenwhenIm still using 2.6.9-rc304:16
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britt_radiofreealso, is imap in evo testing broken for anyone else?04:16
zenwhenlol04:16
GnuHippyhas anybody got w32codecs working on amd64?04:16
Tsjoklatyes Bob, thanks for pointing out the wee details04:16
hypa7iaHrdwrBoB: well, whatever gets built as a package... gonna eventually figure out how to do my own from vanilla tho04:17
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hypa7iabritt_radiofree: evo from hoary?04:17
hypa7iabecause i'm using it from warty with imap just fine04:17
schifoTsjoklat, i did your procedure, but now im getting errors when i reload04:18
schifoie. Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020) unstable/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%204.10%20%5fWarty%20Warthog%5f%20-%20Preview%20i386%20Binary-1%20(20041020)_dists_unstable_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)04:18
britt_radiofreehypa7ia, from hoary04:18
Tsjoklatwhat kind of errorst schifo?04:19
Tsjoklatsomething like duplicate?04:19
Tsjoklatah okay04:19
Tsjoklatopen up synaptic04:19
hypa7iaschifo: put your warty cd in the drive04:19
Tsjoklatmake sure you only got: four lines04:19
Tsjoklatbelow the cd one (that you can uncomment out if you wish)04:20
Tsjoklatdeb + deb source for archive and deb + deb source for security04:20
weaselloOh never mind, I got the Launcher thing working. But the files it's opening are Read Only; how can I make them editable?04:20
Tsjoklatchown it04:20
Pustuloeeks...04:20
schifonm, fixed04:20
Tsjoklatsorry schifo I forgot that part04:21
Pustuloshouldnt chown system files to plain user ownership04:21
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Tsjoklatno not system files04:21
Tsjoklatbut isn't he just trying to make 'user' files editable?04:21
Pustuloah ok... not following very closely04:21
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weasellochown: changing ownership of `apache2.conf': Operation not permitted04:21
Tsjoklathe's making shortcuts on his desktop04:21
Pustuloapache config looks system to me :)04:22
Tsjoklatyeah it is04:22
Tsjoklatwouldn't do that weasello04:22
schifowhat does this universe thing do04:22
Tsjoklatit beams you up Scotty04:22
weasellowhy not? :)04:22
schifoimpossible04:22
Tsjoklatit enables more packages schifo04:22
Pustulosudo <editor> file04:22
Pustuloits better that way :)04:22
robertjHow fine grained is X auto conf, can specific options be added for specific motherboard/video card cobos?04:22
Tsjoklatnot fully supported04:22
robertjerr combos04:22
Tsjoklatsudo nano filename04:22
Pustulopfft nano04:23
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Tsjoklatyou are a vim man huh04:23
weaselloCan I just do gedit instead of nano? I don't like that command line stuff04:23
Pustulouse ed you blouse04:23
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Tsjoklatit's like gnome/kde .. either you are a vim person or a nano one04:23
Pustulouse whatever editor you like04:23
weaselloand how do I put Sudo into the launcher on my desktop?04:23
Tsjoklatweasello: command line stuff is nix heheh04:23
Tsjoklatyou mean?04:24
Pustulotyping wont kill you04:24
Tsjoklatmight give you carpal tunnel at best04:24
schifogood job Tsjoklat04:24
Pustuloi'm a vi person from long ago04:24
Hikaru79I've got another computer that I want to use as a webserver, and I'm looking for a distribution for it. I've been liking Ubuntu on my desktop computer a LOT so far, so is it also a viable choice as a server distro?04:24
schifoTsjoklat, have you ever patched an orinoco driver, etc?04:24
Hikaru79I know there's probably better alternatives04:24
Hikaru79But is it at least plausible?04:24
Tsjoklatgksudo filename blah blah weasello04:25
hypa7iaHikaru79: plausible, yes, i don't see why not04:25
Tsjoklatsee Pustulo :P I knew it04:25
weaselloI'll be opening these config files about 200 times in the next four days, I want to open them really easily and quickly in a resizable window; not command line.04:25
Tsjoklata what driver schifo?04:25
Tsjoklatif you want to sudo them add gksudo in the launcher04:25
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weasellowhere do I add it?04:25
hypa7iaat the start weasello04:26
weasellostart of what?04:26
schifoTsjoklat, sorry to say but i still can't see 2.6.8, i have only 4 repositories enabled, deb + src, and deb + src security, and the sections to all 4 are: main restricted universe multiverse04:26
weasellounder the advanced tab?04:26
hypa7iai think so weasello04:26
mdzschifo: what are you looking for?04:28
hypa7iahmm, schifo, i think that there isn't a kernel-source-2.6.8 pkg yet04:28
mdzHikaru79: Ubuntu is absolutely a solid server platform04:28
hypa7iai only have up to 2.6.7 in mine04:28
weasellook, added gksudo, now it asks for a password. I type it and it said "failed opening file as root: child terminated with status 1"04:28
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mdzhypa7ia, schifo: if you're looking for the kernel sources, they're in linux-source-2.6.8.104:28
schifo?04:29
hypa7iathanks mdz04:29
hypa7iaschifo: look for that04:29
mdzand it's in main; you don't need to change anything from the default in sources.list to find it04:29
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schifoTsjoklat, sorry to say but i still can't see 2.6.8, i have only 4 repositories enabled, deb + src, and deb + src security, and the sections to all 4 are: main restricted universe multiverse04:30
mdzschifo: <mdz> hypa7ia, schifo: if you're looking for the kernel sources, they're in linux-source-2.6.8.104:30
mdzschifo: <mdz> and it's in main; you don't need to change anything from the default in sources.list to find it04:30
weaselloIs there any sort of repository for installing software on Ubuntu somewhere? Everywhere I look it says "download this and compile that" and it doesn't seem like wonderful ol' windows :(04:31
Pustulos/wonderful/evil/g04:32
GnuHippyhas anybody go the w32codecs working with amd64???04:32
GnuHippygot*04:32
hypa7iaweasello: you can either get packages with synaptics, or you can download sources and compile them, that's about it04:32
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weasellook hypa04:32
benhi04:32
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hypa7iaGnuHippy: not since 10 minutes ago i'd guess.  maybe post a bug or something04:32
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eskiledhello04:33
hypa7iaweasello: packages are the equivalent of an installer in windoze.  but better.  source is the equiv too, but kinda worse :-)04:33
eskiledhas anyone here ordered the ubuntu CD from www.ubuntu.org???04:33
hypa7iaeskiled: check the topic04:33
mdzweasello: a repository of several thousand trivially installable packages is available for Ubuntu, among the most for any operating system.  I'm surprised you got the impression that you had to compile anything04:34
eskiledhypa7ia: which part04:34
GnuHippyits not really a bug04:34
mdzhypa7ia, GnuHippy: please don't file bugs about software that isn't provided with Ubuntu04:35
GnuHippyI wont04:35
weasellomdz: I'm searching the net for software, coming across websites... not looking in the repository itself04:35
eskiledhypia7ia: i am wondering if anyone has gotten spam mail i have NOT ordered one yet04:35
nevyneskiled: yep..04:35
mdzweasello: Ubuntu provides one of the largest collections of software in one place04:35
schifoguys, when is the next version of ubuntu coming out04:35
stuNNedweasello, you can also add *unsupported* 'universe' and 'multiverse' to your ubuntu repo's, afaik04:35
mdzschifo: April04:35
weasellomdz: but not easily accessible upon installation of Ubuntu; you have to do crazy things to sources.list that noone could ever figure out on their own04:36
ben913wee, the original doom is fun04:36
eskilednevyn: you got spammed???04:36
nevyneskiled: no I ordered CD's04:36
eskiledlol04:36
mdzeskiled: we absolutely do not use those email addresses for any purpose other than contacting you about your CD order, as explained at the very top of the page04:36
eskileddamnit04:36
schifomdz, april is too far away04:37
nevyneskiled: I'd be having major words to the ubuntu dev's I know if I got spammed.04:37
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eskiledno i mean spamming my address mdz04:37
eskiledlike my house llo04:37
nevyneither with email or snailmail04:37
XenguyIs there still time to order the CD's BTW?04:37
HrdwrBoBway to be paranoid04:37
mdzeskiled: the same applies04:37
nevynXenguy: I don't think they've been shipped yet.04:37
eskiledmy parents wwould flip if we got spam mail because of somehting free i ordered04:37
eskiledokay thankyou mdz04:37
eskiledim out'04:38
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mdzXenguy: the first batch is already en route, but there will be a second04:38
Xenguynevyn: guess that's a 'yes' :-)04:38
HrdwrBoB< eskiled> my parents wwould flip if we got spam mail because of04:38
HrdwrBoB                 somehting free i ordered04:38
Xenguymdz: OK, excellent04:38
nevynmdz: do you know what the total # of CD's was?04:38
HrdwrBoB.. OMG A K-mart catalog04:38
nevynmdz: I'm just curious..04:38
HrdwrBoBsheltered life04:38
nevynHrdwrBoB: I think you're being harsh.04:38
HrdwrBoBhe was talking about real world spam04:39
nevynI know he was.04:39
mdznevyn: more than 100,000, less than 1,000,000 :-)04:39
HrdwrBoBif his parents would 'flip' if they received a catalogue or somesuch other thing in the mail because of him, perhaps they need chill out04:39
nevynit's a valid concern if you can't physically beatup a ubuntu dev04:39
nevyn:)04:39
schifoguys, after synaptic finished getting linux-source, where does it normally put the source?04:40
mdzschifo: /usr/src04:40
Pustuloschifo: its under your chair04:40
ben913where would synaptic put the doom game?04:40
schifoPustulo, thanks04:40
schifomdz, thanks04:40
hypa7iamdz: more than 100,000?  that's awesome :-)04:41
nevynthat is neat for an initial release.04:41
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nevynlightweight ;)04:42
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nuOpushello04:42
nuOpushey does anyone need a gmail?04:42
nuOpusI am trying to get rid of my one single invite04:42
HrdwrBoBno04:42
XenguynuOpus: no one *needs* a gmail ;-)04:42
nevynnuOpus: why do you want to get rid of it?04:42
nuOpusoh okay ... gmail account04:42
hypa7ianevyn: we've got lots coming in to the linuxcaffe tho :-)04:43
hypa7ianevyn: www.linuxcaffe.ca04:43
nuOpuscuz that invite friends bold thing is starting to annoy me04:43
nuOpuslol04:43
hypa7ianuOpus: invite some random hotmail user :-)04:44
nuOpushey there is an idea! it gets thrown in trash anyway04:44
hypa7iayuppers04:45
schifoguys, linux-source is in .tar.bz2 format, how am i supposed to uncompress that04:45
nuOpusAnyway .. anyone try the Hoary repo yet?04:45
nuOpuserrr Hoary distribution04:45
HrdwrBoBschifo: tar xvfj foo.tar.bz204:45
schifothanks bob04:45
nuOpusworks very will I just wanted to report04:46
mdzschifo: what is your goal?04:46
schifomdz, my goal is the following: http://www.kismetwireless.net/download.shtml04:47
schifopardon, i meant: http://www.kismetwireless.net/HOWTO-26_Orinoco_Rfmon.txt04:47
mdzschifo: ok, you don't need the kernel source at all for that04:47
mdzyou only need to build one module04:47
schifoman04:48
schifoi dont know what to do anymore04:48
schifohow am i supposed to patch the driver then?04:48
mdzyou can download a tarball with the complete driver in it, build it, and use it, without patching anything04:49
schifowhat do you mean, where can i find this04:49
nevynhypa7ia: drupal?04:50
schifoim patching because i need to set my wireless card to monitor mode04:50
schifowhen i do iwpriv eth1, monitor mode isnt listed04:50
hypa7ianevyn: nope, tikiwiki04:51
paulproteusTikiwiki is so ugly.  Otherwise I'd consider using it places.04:51
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shank_moinmoin is nice04:52
Tsjoklattikiwiki?04:52
hypa7iapaulproteus: depends on what you do with it.  my friend jason is the master:  www.penguindays.ca04:52
Tsjoklatsorry whomever was talking to me.. had a cat emergency04:52
Tsjoklatbarfing all over the joint04:52
hypa7iaerk!  www.penguinday.ca04:52
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TsjoklatTongMaster :)04:53
TsjoklatI feel like the greeting person at Wallmart04:53
TongMasterheh04:54
HrdwrBoBdo they sell walls?04:54
Tsjoklathey hey04:54
TsjoklatI only say hi and bye Bob :P04:54
TongMasterDo we get complimentary mints?04:54
TsjoklatI got brochures?04:55
Tsjoklatstickers?04:55
shank_Tsjoklat, i thought you had to be crippled in some way to be the wal-mart greater04:55
Tsjoklatwho says I aren't shank :P04:55
shank_Tsjoklat, ok, then04:55
=== shank_ hands Tsjoklat a blue vest
Tsjoklatlol04:55
Tsjoklatewww04:55
Tsjoklatno no I am colourdeaf04:56
Tsjoklatno blue04:56
Tsjoklatbrown :)04:56
Tsjoklatubu brown04:56
shank_i think organce would be better04:56
Tsjoklatman I do sound retarded04:56
shank_and you can wear a siren on your head04:56
Tsjoklatnow don't make a mocking case out of me shank04:57
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TsjoklatI greet but I am not here to be pissed on :)04:57
TongMasterwhat good are you then?04:57
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Tsjoklatdunno TM04:57
Tsjoklatso much for gratitude04:57
Tsjoklathypa you can be the greeter from now on04:58
TongMasterhey, a man's got to pee.04:58
Tsjoklatnot on me you will04:58
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TongMasterparse error04:59
hypa7ianoooooo05:01
hypa7iai will not be the greeter :-p05:01
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Tsjoklatzenwhen has to be it then :P05:02
Pustulohey.. someone from houston05:02
Pustuloi'll be there in 3.5wks!05:02
zugwrackGreetings...05:02
zugwrackWhere you at now?05:02
Tsjoklator we could always appoint Pustulo05:02
schifoguys, how can i 'configure my kernel with the configurator of my choice' ?05:02
schifoTsjoklat, perhaps you would know05:02
Pustuloits not that i like houston, its just that I wont be here at work05:02
Pustuloi'm in sydney, aus05:02
zugwrackAhhh...05:02
zugwrackBeen very nice weather here last couple days..05:03
Pustulosis-in-law wedding05:03
schifobasically, make menuconfig if i recall, but which dir do i have to be in05:03
Tsjoklatschifo?05:03
Pustulowell here, the nice days outnumber the yucky ones, not like houston :)05:03
Tsjoklatfor building kernel?05:03
schifocorrect05:03
Tsjoklat/usr/src05:03
schifo/linux-source-2.6.8.1, you mean05:04
zugwrackOk so like this distro is way kewl for PPC(mac)...but uhhh...I am lost with anything resembling debian.... is there a smp kernel that I can get with dpkg?05:04
Tsjoklatno it should be linked to that05:04
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chzcan anybody help...im in big trouble!05:04
Tsjoklatcd /usr/scr05:04
chzfor sum reason..i cannot log into my systme...i keep getting this error...05:04
Tsjoklatsrc05:05
Tsjoklatsorry05:05
Tsjoklatgawd05:05
Tsjoklatcd /usr/src05:05
Tsjoklatls -l05:05
Pustulozug, is marvin zindler dead yet?05:05
schifok05:05
Tsjoklatshould point at the kernel you want05:05
zugwrackNope..still kickin...(although barely) heh05:05
schifocorrect Tsjoklat, thanks again05:05
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Tsjoklatyw schifo05:05
chz** (gnome-session:3852): WARNING **: Unable to read ICE authority file: /home/chz/.ICEauthority05:06
zenwhendid i miss out on greeter duty05:06
zugwrackOk gotta bail for now...will be back...05:06
chzhey...marvin zindler..u folks from houston...?05:06
Tsjoklatno zenwhen.. you got the job05:06
Pustulozug is05:06
zenwhenchz05:06
Tsjoklathypa suggested you for the job05:06
Tsjoklatgreat honour05:06
Pustuloi've visited there about 8 times05:06
zenwhensudo chmod 777 .ICEauthority05:06
zugwrackCypress actually..but that is still west Houston...05:06
zenwhenor 77505:06
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chzok...i'll try that...be back in a couple mins...05:07
zenwhenIt will work. Cya.05:07
shank_hi zenwhen05:07
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zenwhenI used to have thta happen a lot when I was crashing my box testing new kernels all the time.05:07
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zenwhenthat*05:07
Tsjoklatyou are suppose to say hi zenwhen05:07
zenwhenHat shank_05:07
zenwhenhay*05:07
zenwhenlolz05:07
shank_hehe05:08
TsjoklatLOL05:08
shank_zenwhen, your crippled too i see05:08
zenwhenhi meatwad05:08
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zenwhen;-;05:08
Tsjoklatafter two hours you may appoint somebody else :)05:08
zenwhenthis turd brown theme is growing on me05:08
Tsjoklator whenever you feel like caving in I suppose05:08
shank_i like the spinning wheel05:08
shank_that's kinda nift05:08
TsjoklatI love brown05:09
shank_especially the fetus one05:09
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Tsjoklatso glad they didn't go with blue05:09
chzawesome it worked..!!05:09
zenwhenme too05:09
zenwhenIm really sick of blue05:09
chzthanks zen..05:09
zenwhenchz, awesome05:09
Tsjoklatzenwhen.. you are forgetting something05:09
zenwhenno problem05:09
TsjoklatLOL05:09
zenwhenD:05:09
chzwould u happen  to know why that problem occured in the first place..?05:09
Pustulohey.. ive been to Auston once too05:09
Pustuloaustin that is05:09
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zenwhenchz, did you have a lock up or crash?05:10
tmartinhow can i open up my machine to scp?05:10
tmartinfor ssh05:10
schifok, just finished with menuconfig, all i have to do now is make modules; make modules_install; correct?05:10
zenwhenSomtimes when exiting gnome, your ICEauth gets locked05:10
chzno..just restarted...05:10
zenwhenits a bug that has been around for quite some time05:10
chzoo...i c...05:10
Tsjoklatare you using fakeroot schifo?05:10
schifonot sure what that means Tsjoklat05:10
schifoim in real root05:11
chzgood to know...05:11
Tsjoklatoh no05:11
Tsjoklatpm me schifo05:11
zenwhenthe little drumbeat is getting to me05:11
zenwhen;-;05:11
TsjoklatI'll teach you how to build deb kernels05:11
chzwhat part of houston are u from zen...i used to live in bellair..05:11
schifok05:11
Tsjoklatthat way you can dpkg -i and so forth05:11
zenwhenIm not from houston.05:11
zenwhenWhat gave you that idea?05:11
shank_is there a deb with more wallpapers?05:11
chzoo...somebody was from houston..05:12
zenwhenIm in buttfuck kentucky.05:12
Pustulohey, ive been there too!05:12
meatwadis there a way to map key bindings w/ gnome? (haven't used gnome since 1.2)05:12
TongMastercroweded this time of year.05:12
shank_zenwhen, its better than being in cleveland05:12
zenwhenIm not sure.05:12
Pustulozug was from houston, nnot zen05:12
chzoo...zug...05:12
chzthats rite..05:12
shank_all the z* looks the same05:12
Pustuloi'm heading there in 3.5wks05:12
zenwhenracist05:13
stuNNedmeatwad, gnome-keybinding-properties ?05:13
zenwhen;-;05:13
Tsjoklatwe got a greeter with an attitude :)05:13
shank_zenwhen, your not gonna be employee of the month05:14
nevynmeatwad: HSF!!!05:14
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Tsjoklatok for who wants to build a deb kernel package: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#INSTALL-KERNEL-PKG05:16
stuNNedTsjoklat, thanks!05:17
chzwell i appreciate the help again...i shall log back in when i got time...gotta project due in the morning for assembly class...(blech)05:17
Tsjoklatwellcome stunned05:17
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TsjoklatI love the way you are able to build kernels with deb05:17
Rene_SHmm Xchat theme got changed ...05:17
Rene_SSo quiet in here05:19
Tsjoklatzenwhen went on lunch break05:20
zenwhenhehe05:20
Rene_Shehem did he take the whole channel with him ?05:20
zenwhentrying to get gftp set up05:21
Rene_SI had to downgrade my Evolution, seems the one on Hoary don't like me sending emails out05:21
tmartinhow do i remove a file that starts with "-l"05:22
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tmartini tried rm "-l.core000.80513" but rm sees -l as an option05:22
Pustulorm -- -l05:22
Rene_Srm -f -l*.* would be my guess05:22
tmartinthx !05:22
Rene_Sahh double --05:23
Pustuloor rm ./-l05:23
zenwhenhttp://zenhardwhere.com/images/ubuntu-media.png05:23
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zenwhenoops05:23
Rene_Sneto another trick to add to my list of usefull commands05:23
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HrdwrBoBzenwhen: ooh cool05:24
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meatwadthanks to stuNNed who pointed me to gnome-keybinding-properties to create some keybindings but are there additional actions possible that aren't listed in there?05:24
tseng:q05:24
tsenger05:24
Xenguyvgedris: greetings :-)05:24
zenwhenYeah, that stuff at the top of that is mpd at work.05:25
Xenguyvgedris: have you tried ubuntu yet?05:25
meatwad(I've got to have my Toggle Maximise Window Vertically :)05:25
Rene_SWhats really cool is my name in the Xchat05:25
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DAC1138why wont ubuntu let me login as root?05:25
vgedrisXenguy: Not yet, but considering it for my next desktop box that will be replacing the current one (running Debian)05:25
Rene_SI love being immortalized in screenshots05:25
vgedrisJust need to find the time to properly build that machine up...05:26
DAC1138whats the default ubuntu root password?05:26
Xenguyvgedris: I'm definitely interested in giving warty a spin (tried last night, but I think I have a bum CD, so I'll have to re-burn I guess)05:26
Rene_SI made a bum cd my first time trying warty, once i got it fixed i never looked back05:27
vgedrisI want to do a bit of reading up on it before I commit to installing.   That's why I came in here to lurk. :)05:27
Rene_SEven beat out my Yoper install and I swore by that05:27
DAC1138root password? can u even login as root in ubuntu?05:28
zenwhenyes05:28
zenwhensudo passwd root05:28
zenwhenyou can set a root password and use it as normal05:28
Xenguyvgedris: seems to be basically sid snapshots from what I can tell (lurking is a good idea though; part of the reason I'm here :-)05:28
hypa7iawe need a bot inhere to serve that message :-)05:28
DAC1138thanks05:28
zenwhenlol05:28
HrdwrBoBbut you should NOT NEED TO05:28
HrdwrBoBargh05:28
HrdwrBoByou CAN05:28
HrdwrBoBbut you don't need to05:28
Rene_SAnyone here tried the Muine Music Player ?05:28
zenwhenRene_S, yes... its very album centric.05:29
stuNNedDAC1138, default is set to use `sudo` and not even have a root account.05:29
zenwhenIf you dont have tons of albums dont bother.05:29
Rene_SYeah, i noticed that.05:29
zenwhenI couldnt stand not having a true root account. Im not big on change.05:29
DAC1138got it. now how to i use apt-get? like update the repositories and such?05:29
HrdwrBoBzenwhen: it's still root05:30
Rene_SHehe, i ended up making a root account too05:30
HrdwrBoBzenwhen: sudo -s gives you a shell05:30
zenwhenHrdwrBoB, I am aware of that.05:30
Rene_Sold habits die hard05:30
Pustulozen: thats why I stills tart my editor as 'vi' not 'vim'05:30
zenwhenhehe05:30
HrdwrBoBI'm a fulltime linux admin and my desktop box has no root05:30
nevynDAC1138: You shouldn't do it.05:30
zenwhenGood05:30
HrdwrBoBthe next servers I implement will have no root05:30
zenwhenIm not saying YOU should change.05:30
zenwhenIm saying I am unwilling to change my habits.05:30
zenwhenlol05:30
DAC1138nevyn, then how do i install programs?05:30
HrdwrBoBthose that can't change will perish :p05:31
HrdwrBoBDAC1138: sudo apt-get install foo05:31
Pustulohrm.. i wonder how much stuff would break if you changed the name of the root user05:31
HrdwrBoBDAC1138: or just run synaptic from the menu05:31
Pustulothe username that is05:31
HrdwrBoBDAC1138: it will ask you for YOUR password05:31
zenwhenThose who cant chnage will fuction just fine as no other distro disables root.05:31
zenwhenchange*05:31
nevynzenwhen: it's part of being secure by default.05:31
mdztmartin: rm -- <filename>05:31
nevynzenwhen: there's no need for root to be able to login.05:31
DAC1138HrdwrBoB, no synaptic in the gnome menu05:31
zenwhenGood passwords are secure by default.05:31
HrdwrBoBzenwhen: why do you need root?05:31
zenwhenWhy do I not need root?05:32
HrdwrBoBDAC1138: it is in computer-> system configuration05:32
zenwhenlol05:32
DAC1138HrdwrBoB, og, computer tab. im used to the older gnome05:32
nevynzenwhen: why do you need it?05:32
HrdwrBoBzenwhen: as a user, I don't care about 'root'05:32
HrdwrBoBI just want to use my computer05:32
mdzheh, I was scrolled back a couple of pages and didn't realize it05:32
zenwhenGood god.05:32
zenwhenget off it.05:32
HrdwrBoBlol05:32
HrdwrBoB'why are you all so quiet'05:32
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zenwhenI prefer to have it.05:32
zenwhenWhy the hell do you care?05:33
zenwhenlol05:33
PustuloBob, if you're not using your root account, give it to me.. I'd hate to see it go to waste05:33
DAC1138why cant i just use apt-get?05:33
HrdwrBoBDAC1138: you can05:33
HrdwrBoBsudo apt-get install package05:33
HrdwrBoBput in your password05:34
HrdwrBoB*shazam*05:34
Pustulodont you need two matching rings for shazam?05:34
Pustuloam i confusing my cartoons?05:34
stuNNedDAC1138, `sudo -s` for root shell05:34
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HrdwrBoBDAC1138: sudo runs commands as root, but asks for YOUR password05:34
HrdwrBoBDAC1138: it's also logged what you do05:35
XenguyIs it possible to create a 'root' user, with all the 'god-like powers' if one wants to?05:35
HrdwrBoBand it's a lot harder to mess things up accidentally05:35
HrdwrBoBXenguy: it's there, it's just disabled05:35
DAC1138no, apt-get needs to update the repositories, like in other debian distros, nothings working05:35
zenwhenCompitancy is the best prevention.05:35
DAC1138so far, im sorry guys, but i have to say ubuntu sux (so far)05:35
HrdwrBoBDAC1138: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list05:35
XenguyHrdwrBoB: ahh, so best of both worlds - if someone wants it, they can just activate it05:35
HrdwrBoBenable universe05:35
HrdwrBoBXenguy: exactly05:35
stuNNedXenguy, `sudo -s` then `passwd` afaik05:36
TsjoklatRuffian: you got a customer.. DAC is dissing ubu05:36
nevynyep.. and competency means not logging onto the machine as the administrator.05:36
nevynthis is true of linux and unix and even windows.05:36
zenwhenUm05:36
zenwhenWho said I logged into it?05:36
HrdwrBoB windows is somewhat harder though as there's lots of broken user programs05:36
Xenguynevyn: not sure what you mean by that05:36
HrdwrBoBDAC1138: what exactly are you trying to do05:37
nevynzenwhen: why does it need a password then sudo can achieve everything that su can and logs it.05:37
DAC1138Tsjoklat, not really dissing it, im just saying its not the best distro. its too hard to use to be aimed at new linux users05:37
DAC1138HrdwrBoB, tyring to get k3b working so when i download a new linux iso i can install it05:37
DAC1138HrdwrBoB, or apt get really to download k3b05:37
Tsjoklattoo hard?!?!05:37
HrdwrBoBDAC1138: if you have an iso, you can simply right click it05:37
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HrdwrBoBand select 'write to disc'05:37
zenwhennevyn, Im not continuing this conversation.05:38
TsjoklatDAC... what other distros have you tried?05:38
nevynok.05:38
nevynXenguy: what's unclear?05:38
Tsjoklatzenwhen may be the greeter but he has limits :)05:38
DAC1138Tsjoklat, mepis, suse, mandrake, debian, slackware, ubuntu, fedora core 2 and 3, user_linux, knoppix05:38
Tsjoklatand you really think ubu is hard?05:38
DAC1138Tsjoklat, a few more, but i cant remember them off the top of my head.05:39
Tsjoklatonly because of sudo?05:39
DAC1138Tsjoklat, yeah, even compared to slackware05:39
uhurumeh05:39
Tsjoklatslackware is the pits no offense05:39
zenwhenI dont think Ubuntu is hard at all.05:39
zenwhenCompared to SLACKWARE?05:39
zenwhenI just moved from slackware.05:39
nevynDAC1138: it is different to someone used to administering linux|unix systems.05:39
DAC1138yeah, slackware is hard, and kinda stupid, but i know ubuntu can be better, but so far, it isnt05:39
Tsjoklatanyone that likes to refer them selves as slackwhores and their computers as pimpboxes should have their heads checked05:39
zenwhenRunning ubuntu is like getting a blowjobs and getting paid for it compared to running Slack.05:40
HrdwrBoBDAC1138: so, what's the problem05:40
zenwhenjob*05:40
Tsjoklatslackware hard.. lol it only updates once a year... haha05:40
HrdwrBoBDAC1138: if you run 'sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list'05:40
DAC1138HrdwrBoB, right now its downloading packages as easily as "apt-get install k3b"05:40
zenwhenSlackware isnt hard either.05:40
HrdwrBoBand enable universe05:40
Pustulopfft.. you think that's hard? i remember installing "MCC" from a dozen floppies on my 38605:40
Pustulothat was hard05:40
HrdwrBoBor if you run synaptic05:40
nevyndebian stable only updates once every 2 or 3 years..05:40
zenwhenBut Ubuntu is most assuredly more ser friendly.05:40
HrdwrBoByou can trivially enable it05:40
DAC1138yeah, and its this whole sudo crap, im not used to it and ive been using linux for 3 years now05:40
uhurulol05:41
nevynDAC1138: sudo is a good thing really.05:41
Tsjoklatnot being  used to sudo crap as you call it DAC doesn't make ubu hard05:41
uhuruit's just sudo.05:41
Xenguynevyn: the meaning of your previous statement is unclear to me -- but nm at this point, as I must get a couple of things done for work at this point ;-)05:41
HrdwrBoBDAC1138: it's not magic05:41
Tsjoklatsudo makes sense, you should use it period05:41
HrdwrBoBsimple prefix stuff you want done as root with sudo05:41
Tsjoklatno matter what distro05:41
DAC1138HrdwrBoB, its not easy either. then what after i open vi?05:41
hypa7iaDAC1138: you know you can always just right-click on an iso to burn it to disk in nautilus, right?05:41
DAC1138hypa7ia, not really, ive been using kde all this time05:41
nevynXenguy: competent systems administrators do not logon to systems as the superuser.. (particularly for gui sessions)05:41
DAC1138HrdwrBoB, ive uncommented those lines, now what?05:42
PustuloI can't relate to new users.. I've been playing linux far too long I think05:42
HrdwrBoBDAC1138: save05:42
hypa7iaDAC1138: well, you can.05:42
HrdwrBoBDAC1138: quit05:42
uhuruso now you say you don't like gnome?05:42
HrdwrBoBthen run apt-get update05:42
TsjoklatDAC: add behind main: main restricted universe multiverse05:42
HrdwrBoBseriously, if you want to do it on the command line05:42
nevynHrdwrBoB: sudo apt-get update05:42
Xenguynevyn: ahh, yes, of course -- I missed yer meaning the 1st time around05:42
hypa7iaPustulo: doesn't help when the noobs have attitude, either05:42
Tsjoklatmake it so it looks like: main restricted universe multiverse05:42
HrdwrBoBand refuse to use the (easy to use) graphical tools05:42
DAC1138uhuru, well, its not the old gnome i was used to back when mdk 9.1 came out05:42
Tsjoklatfor archives and security05:42
HrdwrBoBthen you are making it hard for YOURSELF05:42
DAC1138uhuru, and i never said i dont like gnome, i dont know where you guys get off thinking i said this05:42
uhuruthen install that one dac.05:42
HrdwrBoBand it isn't infact any reflection on the system at all05:42
DAC1138HrdwrBoB, yeah, uncommenting those lines doesnt change anything05:43
TsjoklatDAC05:43
DAC1138HrdwrBoB, aptget still doesnt work05:43
uhuruit's your box - you tell it what to do05:43
TsjoklatDAC05:43
TsjoklatDAC05:43
Pustulohyp: its not a matter of attitude, I just can't get my head around how ppl can hope to get this stuff easily.. it took me a lot of messing around05:43
Tsjoklatdid you read what I wrote?!?!05:43
Pustulohyp: ppl should expect a learning curve05:43
HrdwrBoBDAC1138: sudo apt-get update05:43
HrdwrBoBDAC1138: run that05:43
DAC1138HrdwrBoB, got it05:43
hypa7iaPustulo: agreed.  i'm still on it, that's fershure05:43
Tsjoklatfine DAC rather ignores me05:43
HrdwrBoBthen sudo apt-get install k3b05:44
DAC1138HrdwrBoB, finally im getting somewhere. not if i can get this xserver installed, ill be set and ubuntu will be ok05:44
HrdwrBoBxserver?05:44
Pustulohyp: well I only know what I use, im no guru05:44
DAC1138Tsjoklat, o, what? brb, let me scroll up. sorry05:44
Tsjoklatmake it so the line reads: main restricted universe multiverse ... for archives and security05:44
Tsjoklatthat way you will have access to everything ubu has to offer05:45
DAC1138Tsjoklat, yeah, i read that, ok, brb05:45
hypa7iaPustulo: nor am i by any means :-/05:45
DAC1138holy cow, 75MB of download to get k3b working, lol05:45
HrdwrBoBDAC1138: that's because k3b is kde05:45
HrdwrBoByou need all the kde librariew05:45
Tsjoklatyeah you need kdelibs05:45
Tsjoklatand qt05:45
DAC1138yeah, and it needs all thos ekde libraries and such05:45
nevynand kde isn't in the shiptarket.05:45
HrdwrBoBDAC1138: as I said, if all you want to do is burn an iso, right click it and select write to tisk05:46
HrdwrBoBdisk05:46
nevyns/tarket/target/05:46
DAC1138yeah, but i'd also like to burn other files, and i just stopped k3d because i know theres a better way in gnome :-)05:46
meatwadother than the limited options listed in 'gnome-keybinding-properties', is there a way to create custom keyboard shortcuts?05:46
zenwhenI still need k3b for Video DVD's.05:47
Tsjoklatnautilus burner is pretty good isn't05:47
hypa7iaDAC1138: the other way to do it:  insert a cd.  a window will open.  put files in it.  File->write05:47
hypa7iaTsjoklat: i've been happy with it so far05:47
DAC1138can i specify the write speed?05:47
HrdwrBoBzenwhen: yeah, nautilus is not good for !file !iso stuff05:47
DAC1138i need it to write at a slow speed due to some problem with my drive. its dirty or something05:47
HrdwrBoBand there's no gnome equiv05:47
HrdwrBoBwhich sucks05:47
HrdwrBoBDAC1138: yes you can05:47
TsjoklatI've burned a few things with it and got no complaints myself hypa05:47
zenwhenHrdwrBoB, If I had a gnome k3b clone, there would e nothing related to kde on my system.05:48
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zenwhenbe*05:48
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HrdwrBoBzenwhen: yeah that's the same for a lot of people05:49
hypa7iaTsjoklat: in fact... windows will only burn at 8x on my drive, while naut burns at the full 24x05:49
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Tsjoklatwow that is cool hypa05:50
hypa7iayuppers05:50
alka_trashnew nvidia drivers release from nvidia05:50
hypa7iaalso weird05:50
DAC1138ok, so far ubuntu is a little better05:50
Tsjoklatas soon as I get an xbox winhole is history05:50
DAC1138for for the newbies, i think they should stick with what the other distros are doing, not with sudo and such.05:50
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zenwhenwhat05:51
zenwhenhow could oyu run linux and hate nvidia?05:51
zenwhenyou*05:51
alka_trashreally05:51
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Tsjoklatthey do sudo for the newbies DAC05:51
jay_is firefox 1.0rc2 available for ubuntu?05:51
nevynI hate people who claim that nvidia's binary drivers are good for linux more tho ;)05:51
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HrdwrBoBzenwhen: easily05:52
HrdwrBoBI run nvidia cards05:52
HrdwrBoBbecause they work05:52
HrdwrBoBI don't really like them05:52
HrdwrBoBbut that's the reality05:52
zenwhenOh05:52
hypa7iaDAC1138: the sudo thing is the Right Thing to do.  especially once it's explained to people05:52
zenwhenWell they work well.05:52
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zenwhenAnd Are the only suitable drivers if one wants to play games in linux.05:52
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alka_trashI agree with zenwhen05:53
nevynunless you have a SMP system or some m/b chipset they like or do X development or kernel development or....05:53
Tsjoklatwb TM05:53
zenwhenPerhaps they arent the best solution possible, but they are ht ebest solution availabale.05:53
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zenwhenWould I pefer awesome open source drivers? YES. Are they going to happen? no.05:53
nevynhypa7ia: yay.05:53
nevynhypa7ia: with ati cards your worst case is equivilent to a nvidia card. and your best case is much much better.05:54
alka_trashwith all this talk about nvidia, I was going to build the latest do I need to copy the modules to sbin or something like that05:54
HrdwrBoBnevyn: not in terms of functionality05:54
DAC1138hypa7ia, what is sudo exactly?05:55
HrdwrBoBDAC1138: sudo runs a command as root.05:55
DAC1138hypa7ia, and if its so good, why dont other popular distros tech it?05:55
TongMasterfancing meeting you here, nevyn :)05:55
nevynDAC1138: most install it in base.05:55
zenwhennevyn, are you joking?05:55
nevynTongMaster: you just noticed I'm here?05:55
HrdwrBoB15:41 < HrdwrBoB> simple prefix stuff you want done as root with sudo05:55
TongMasterit's a long l;ist, nevyn :)05:55
zenwhenare you seriously saying that ati's linux driver support is even near Nvidia's?05:55
HrdwrBoB15:35 < HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: sudo runs commands as root, but asks for YOUR05:56
HrdwrBoB                  password05:56
nevynzenwhen: if your card is <r200 the Free drivers are in Xfree864.305:56
HrdwrBoBDAC1138: please, read what I write05:56
nevynthat's best case. and if you're running binary drivers you're fucked anyway you cut it.05:56
DAC1138HrdwrBoB, i try, but its hard at 800x60005:56
zenwhenfucked?05:57
zenwhennevyn, how so?05:57
HrdwrBoBnevyn: worst case nvidia=  you use the free driver (which is crap) and it works slowly and badly05:57
nevynyep. you're beholden to the manufacturer for making your hardware you bought work.05:57
HrdwrBoBbest case= you use the binary only drivers and it works fast, with the best 3d you can get currently in linux05:57
HrdwrBoBnevyn: omg, just like.. forever05:57
HrdwrBoBthat's their job.05:57
hypa7iai am confused05:58
HrdwrBoBI'm not saying I support binary only drivers05:58
nevynand you don't get support for any drivers for anything.05:58
hypa7iawhich has better Free drivers?05:58
HrdwrBoBbut the point is from a PRAGMATIC view05:58
nevynati.05:58
zenwhennevyn, Your elistist attitude doent give me any more performance in UT2K4. Sorry.05:58
zenwhenelititst*05:58
mdzhypa7ia: ati has superior free drivers05:58
HrdwrBoBnvidia has better performance and support unde rlinux for games05:58
nevynit's not elitist it's practical.05:58
HrdwrBoBnevyn: this is also practical05:58
zenwhenscrew it*05:58
HrdwrBoBati's free drivers are far superior05:58
zenwhenIts not practical.05:58
jdubmdz: hrm, that's not what our X team says. :-)05:58
nevynif you want to participate in the linux community. free drivers are essential.05:58
hypa7iabut the Free ati drivers are 2d-only, right?05:59
HrdwrBoBand if you want free drivers, buy an ati card05:59
nevynhypa7ia: nope.05:59
hypa7iareally?  hmm05:59
HrdwrBoBnevyn: no that's bullshit/05:59
hypa7iaoh man,05:59
HrdwrBoBI particpate in the 'linux community'05:59
nevynHrdwrBoB: PARTICIPATE... that means write software ...05:59
HrdwrBoBthere's many ways to participate without developing the kernel05:59
HrdwrBoBno it doesn't05:59
mdzjdub: are you sure about that?05:59
HrdwrBoBthat's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard you say05:59
zenwhennevyn, show me a free driver that cna get respectable framerates in UT2K4.05:59
jdubmdz: relatively, yeah. daniel is always harping on about how broken they are.06:00
jdubmdz: supposedly, something is changing in the near future.06:00
hypa7iathat's how i nuked the ubuntu install on the other computer i was working on today.  i tried to install fglrx, but the Free drivers were working fine.  argh!06:00
nevynHrdwrBoB: if you want to participate in the LINUX community not the ubantu community or the debian community.. you must be running free drivers.06:00
nevynmust.06:00
nevynotherwise your bug reports are /dev/null3d06:00
DAC1138brb, need to test this xserver, thanks for the help06:01
HrdwrBoBbecause ubuntu is not a subset of the linux community>06:01
HrdwrBoB?06:01
nevynno. it's a superset.06:01
HrdwrBoBwell damn06:01
nevynthe linux community would be people who participate in the development of the kernel.06:01
nevynincluding bugreporting documenting writing code etc.06:01
zenwhennevyn, wheres the decent open source drivers?06:01
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DAC1138uh, one thig, how do i see the desktop icons?06:02
DAC1138and how do i empty the wastebasket?06:02
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HrdwrBoBDAC1138: right click06:03
HrdwrBoBand there is no desktop icons06:03
mdzjdub: he rants about both of them; the nv driver is *so* worse06:03
HrdwrBoByou can put some there if you want06:03
HrdwrBoBthe nv driver is almost entirely magic numbers06:03
DAC1138how do i empty the wastebasket?06:03
HrdwrBoBDAC1138: right click on it.06:03
HrdwrBoBselect empty.06:03
DAC1138looks like i should just use fluxbox with the gnome-panel then06:03
DAC1138where is the wastebasket?06:04
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HrdwrBoBbottom, RHS06:04
Rene_SHmm too much politics, free not free, gnome kde, gentoo or anything else.  Jeez all i care about is if it works or not06:04
HrdwrBoBRene_S: exactly.06:04
DAC1138man, gnomad has changed a LOT06:04
DAC1138what version is this?06:04
hypa7iaDAC1138: coming from mac os x, it's very mac like06:04
TongMaster2.8, DAC113806:05
DAC1138hypa7ia, yeah,  i want that, kinda, but ive never used mac os x hardcore06:05
DAC1138i mean ive used it here and there, but not for long periods of time06:05
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zenwhenBashing the nvidia binary drivers is bashing the only thing that makes Linux a viable platform for those who want ot aplay a game or two.06:05
TongMasterwhat, frozen bubble isn't good enough?06:05
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zenwhenno06:06
mdzI think the video card manufacturer flam^Wdiscusson ended several minutes ago06:06
zenwhenNo it isnt.06:06
zenwhenlol06:06
Rene_SMac OSX = FreeBSD, then add Gnome and a nice theme and you got almost the same thing :)06:06
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hypa7iaDAC1138: i was using it for 2 years.  but i wanted a laptop and all.06:06
DAC1138or, PearPC + macOSX and you have, mac osx, lol06:06
crazneynevyn: dude, you're just wrong06:06
nevynsome people don't care if linux is a "viable platform" some people actually do care about not being beholden to some "vendor"06:06
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zenwhenMac OSX = Darwin06:06
DAC1138im kinda liking ubuntu so far06:06
DAC1138except for that whole sudo thing, but ill get past that06:06
hypa7ianevyn: did you see that thing about the open video card on slashdot a few weeks ago06:07
nevynyeah.06:07
hypa7iaDAC1138: it's been mentioned how you can enable a root user.  kwitcherbitchin :-)06:07
Rene_SDon't get me wrong, I like the freedom of choice idea, however I dont get mixed up in the politics end of Linux.06:07
HrdwrBoBnevyn: and some people care about things working more so than not being reliant on a vendor06:07
mdzhypa7ia: why did your desire for a laptop preclude using MacOS?06:07
zenwhennevyn, those people arent the future of linux. Those people are the people who make people shy away from linux.06:07
Rene_SMy mortage payment takes all my time these days :)06:08
jdubRene_S: (most of it is not politics. it depends on how the person describes it.)06:08
HrdwrBoBbut to say the 'linux community' is those who hack/develop the kernel is stupid06:08
hypa7iamdz: because i wanted a tricked out laptop, and powerbooks were oiut of my budget range06:08
HrdwrBoBhypa7ia: don't like ibooks?06:08
hypa7iaHrdwrBoB: nah06:08
zenwhenYour attitude is exactly opposite of the Ubuntu philoshpy. Why would you want to chat about it or run it?06:08
zenwhenlol06:08
mdzhypa7ia: yeah, apple laptops hurt that way...but the same holds for their desktops06:08
hypa7ianot really for the imacs06:09
jimmiejazI want a sparc lappy. :(06:09
hypa7iai had a 17" flatpanel imac with a gig of ram06:09
Rene_SI think the Linux community is the broad standard, people who use, develop, compile, tinker, cry over and show off Linux are all part of the community06:09
DAC1138hypa7ia, what laptop do you have?06:09
HrdwrBoBRene_S: thankyou :)06:09
hypa7iai have basically the laptop they reviewed on slashdot a couple of days ago06:09
hypa7iait's an ASUS centrino book06:09
HrdwrBoBthe asus laptops are nice06:10
hypa7iagot it barebones, no windows tax!06:10
hypa7iamwahahaha06:10
HrdwrBoBoh, excellent06:10
DAC1138ah. im using a gateway m30506:10
[lsd] yeah asus are making some nice machines now06:10
DAC1138works great with linux except for the video card, which will only allow 800x600 in linux unless i use a commercial xserver which i have, and i need to get working06:10
hypa7iait's a rockin laptop.  and /everything/ works.  just not out of the box :-(06:11
hypa7iaeven the extra buttons!!! :-)06:11
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Rene_SLast computer I seen work out off the box was a Commodore Pet06:12
hypa7iaheheh.  never used a mac, eh Rene_S?06:12
jimmiejazsys6470906:12
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Rene_SOnly a couple of times. I used one for pre press work at a print shop06:13
hypa7iahey jj, isn't it some sort of sacriledge for you to be in a linux chan :-)06:13
Pustulomy c64, c128 and amiga all worked out of the box06:13
Pustuloso did my xt06:13
mdzhypa7ia: what kind of stuff did you need to do to get everything working?  things we could fix for hoary?06:13
jimmiejaznot at all hypa7ia.06:13
Pustuloand my 386 for that matter06:13
jimmiejazbut shhhh! ;)06:13
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hypa7iamdz: wel.  intel wireless 2200 is a big one.06:14
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mdzhypa7ia: what did it need?  newer version of the driver?06:14
hypa7iathere's no driver pkg yet :-(06:14
Rene_SPersonally I would be dissapointed if my comp always worked out of the box, would leave me with no alternative than to bust something06:14
alvariuxsomebody has the weather gdesklet06:14
mdzhypa7ia: er, it's part of the default kernel :-)06:14
hypa7iais it?06:14
mdzhypa7ia: my laptop has intel 2200 wireless, and it works out of the box06:14
alvariuxi put the city code but say retieval failed06:14
hypa7iaargh.  then why doesn't mine :-(06:15
mdzhypa7ia: maybe it needs a newer version of the driver? :-)06:15
hypa7ialessee.06:15
mdzhypa7ia: you got it working, building the module from source?06:15
DAC1138Pustulo, my speack & spell worked out of the box too06:15
DAC1138Pustulo, Speek** as oyu can see, it doesnt teach me very well, lol06:16
DAC1138bahhhh, i need sleep06:16
Rene_SI had to reprogram my Tickle me Elmo, out of the box it used obcenities06:16
DAC1138lol06:16
hypa7iamdz: nope, not yet06:16
mdzhypa7ia: oh, you said everything works06:16
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DAC1138be back in a bit, xserver install time06:16
hypa7iaDAC1138: don't diss the speak and spell.  that thing taught me to read :-)06:17
hypa7iamdz: well, it's not all working on /mine/ :-/06:17
Rene_SMaybe its my lack of Linux savvy, but I cant for the life of me find to many bugs in the Hoary distro...06:17
mdzRene_S: just you wait :-)06:17
mdzhypa7ia: does the module get loaded?06:18
hypa7iamdz: there's a bug in the dsdt for my laptop apparenly and thus the battery status is not to be fount06:18
hypa7iaerr found06:18
hypa7iaand i have to hack the bios to fix it, eek!06:18
Rene_SYeah, I suppose the fun is about to start soon, Gnome 2.9 and maybe Xorg that should bust up some desktops nice06:18
hypa7iaor patch the kernel.06:18
mdzwe'll probably end up merging newer ACPI anyway06:18
mdzfor the stuff mjg59 is working on06:19
hypa7iai'm not sure that it;s fixed there either06:19
hypa7iait's been a big discussion on http://m6n.ath.cx/forum/06:19
hypa7iaand i haven't gotten cpufreq running again06:19
hypa7iabut i think that's another PEBKAK06:19
hypa7iaerr PEBKAc06:20
hypa7iaohhhh06:20
pnis there a place i can see a list of packages available for ubuntu?06:20
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hypa7iathe wacom graphire tablet drivers would be sooo nice to have06:20
hypa7iaas a package06:20
DAC1138one last thing, lol. where can i download the kernel source to the defauly ubuntu kernel? the current running kernel?06:20
meatwadhow do you use sawfish w/ gnome?06:21
Rene_Spm: maybe on Distrowatch, they tend to list them for most distro's06:21
DAC1138i cant see it in the synaptics stuff. the only kernels it has goes to 2.6.7, and the current kernel is 2.6.8-1 or something06:21
hypa7iapn: in synaptics?06:21
meatwadchoosing a window manager to use in gnome used to be very easy but now I have no clue how to do it06:21
hypa7iaDAC1138: linux-kernel-2.6.8.106:21
DAC1138hypa7ia, yeah, but thats not in the synaptics package manager06:22
Rene_SI am suprised there isnt a metacity configuration wizard06:22
hypa7iait should be DAC1138 if you've updated recently06:22
hypa7iait's in mine06:22
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DAC1138hypa7ia, what do you mean updated?06:23
pnhas anyone had any luck using debian packages with ubuntu?06:23
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DAC1138hypa7ia, how do i update the package list?06:23
crimsunpn: yes, but very cautiously06:24
hypa7iaDAC1138: in synaptics, hit Reload06:24
hypa7iaupper left DAC113806:24
DAC1138hypa7ia, did that, the newest kernel i see is 2.6.706:24
Rene_SIm curious now to see what the Yoper guy is gonna do with Gnome ....06:24
DAC1138hypa7ia, when i use the search feature for "kernel source"06:24
hypa7iaDAC1138: i gave you the exact package name06:25
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hypa7iasearch for linux-source06:25
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DAC1138hypa7ia, got it, thanks06:26
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WitigonenI'm having trouble with permissions on my CD-RW/DVD-ROM drive.  When runnings that access it not as root, it's horribly, horribly, horribly slow.  What should my fstab say so that every user has full permissions to do whatever withi t?06:27
|QuaD|is there an ubuntu with kde?06:27
HrdwrBoB|QuaD|: you can install kde if you like06:27
Rene_SWoot, jsut had my last cigarette ever .... got me the patch .... this better work06:27
HrdwrBoBit's in universe06:27
HrdwrBoBhowever, KDE is not part of 'ubuntu' as such06:28
hypa7iagood luck Rene_S :-)06:28
WitigonenRene_S, good luck :)06:28
HrdwrBoBubuntu is a GNOME based distribution06:28
|QuaD|hmm06:28
|QuaD|considering changing to ubuntu06:28
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Rene_SThanks.  After 21 years of smoking, I need to stop.  Can't breath well anymore06:28
HrdwrBoBI would say, use gnome for a while06:28
XenguyRene_S: good luck - remember, patch, smatch -- it's all 'mind-over-matter' :-)06:28
HrdwrBoBif you still don't like it, then change over06:28
hypa7iaRene_S: if you were in toronto you could participate in my smoking cessation program.  everytime you want to smoke, i kick you in the shins :-)06:29
Qo-noSRene_S: snuff out the cig but start on the crack ;)06:29
XenguyQo-noS: placebos - excellent strategy :-)06:29
Qo-noS;)06:29
Rene_SI live in Kitchener, 60 km is too far to go for an ass kicking, but thanks06:29
|QuaD|heh, i have used kde for 4 years now :( but i really want to try ubuntu... i have ONLY heard good things about it06:29
hypa7iahaha, cool Rene_S, you'll have to come down to the caffe sometime06:30
hypa7iawww.linuxcaffe.ca06:30
|QuaD|during the initial instilation does it load gnome... or is it more like a debian net install?06:30
hypa7ia|QuaD|: it loads gnome06:30
Qo-noShey guys anyone knows of devel on a dtp app for the GNOME desktop? ala a gtk-based scribus?06:30
|QuaD|is there a list of packages it automatically puts on?06:31
Xenguyjezuz there's some kind of infestation of canadians in this channel :006:31
Rene_SI plan on going to the pow wow in December, gonna take pictures again.  I might look around this year.06:31
hypa7iahehe apparently Xenguy06:31
Xenguyer, heh, I am one -- oops06:31
hypa7iaRene_S: pow wow = TLUG?06:31
Witigonen|QuaD|, I usually prefer KDE as well, but on Ubuntu, gnome is just better.  I recommend trying Ubuntu with gnome for a little while, if you can't get used to it at all, then try it with KDE.06:31
Rene_SNative thing at the Skydome06:31
|QuaD|Witigonen: can you give me a reason why?06:32
hypa7iaahh, gotcha.  actual pow wow :-)06:32
|QuaD|i trust you06:32
|QuaD|just curious06:32
hypa7ia|QuaD|: because it's really slick :-)06:32
Rene_SYeah I go to 2 every year.  One in Brantford and one in TO.06:32
hypa7iaQo-noS: dumb question, but isn't scribus gnome based?06:32
Qo-noShypa7ia: QT app ;)06:33
|QuaD|:) does ubuntu put out packages ahead of debian unstable?06:33
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hypa7iadurn, Qo-noS.  i guess that explains why i don'thave it installed yet :-p06:33
HrdwrBoB|QuaD|: all of the integration work is being done with GNOME06:33
HrdwrBoBall of the hotplug stuff06:33
HrdwrBoBall of that sort of magic06:33
|QuaD|ohhh ok06:33
Rene_SXenguy, were not roaches,  or virus'es we are just Canadian06:33
|QuaD|i guess i can try gnome06:33
hypa7ia|QuaD|: some yes, some no.  and ubu's feeding all its fixes back into debian06:33
Witigonen|QuaD|, Well, for one, it is the latest version of gnome- that's really, really nice.  One of the main reasons I prefer KDE, the use of my multimedia keys on the keyboard, I just set up with Gnome and it works great.  So that's awesome.  Also, gDesklets is better than superkaramba if you're into that stuff at all.  And, yeah, it just looks amazing.06:34
|QuaD|the thing i hate about gnome is that gtk apps run really nicely under kde but kde apps run horribly under gnome06:34
|QuaD|from my experience06:34
hypa7iaQo-noS: i;ve just been using Inkscape of late06:34
Qo-noShypa7ia: I guess a gtk-based Scribus + a presentation program will make GNOME better. OO's Impress is a little heavy on resources for some's liking. Criawips seems a promising effort though ;)06:35
WitigonenHey, is there a better CD ripping program than grip?06:36
Rene_SMy wife told me I had to pick a distro last night, she is tired of looking at the synaptic window06:36
Qo-noShypa7ia: ah Inkscape + Sodipodi + GIMP > satisfy most normal desktop users' the graphics needs :)06:36
|QuaD|so noone answered me, where can i find a list of packages installed with ubuntu06:36
hypa7iayuppers Qo-noS06:37
hypa7iai <3 inkscape06:37
Qo-noS:)06:37
hypa7ia|QuaD|: i'm not sure that you can06:37
|QuaD|really?06:37
Witigonen|QuaD|, sorry, don't know.  Not that many are actually installed WITH Ubuntu (it only comes on one CD, after all) but there are a ton that you can install once you get it running.  Debian packages, after all.06:37
|QuaD|right... i am VERY familiar with debian06:38
Rene_Stry this for a package list  http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu06:38
hypa7ia|QuaD|: ubu is very very debian06:38
hypa7iaafter i used fedora for a month it was nice to come home :-)06:38
|QuaD|right... but it installs gnome and other packages automatically right?06:38
|QuaD|what arethose packages?06:38
|QuaD|rene- i will try that06:38
Rene_SYeah, scroll part way down the page, its a short list of the majaor features and packages06:39
|QuaD|yeah06:39
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|QuaD|i went from 3.5 years of debian to installing suse 9.2 this w/e06:40
|QuaD|i have never been SOOO dissapointed06:40
hypa7iarpm == teh suck!06:40
|QuaD|it is horrible06:40
Rene_SSUSE is nice but slow and bloated i think06:40
|QuaD|i liked it until i tried to install my own software06:40
|QuaD|yast is amazing06:40
Rene_Sgood for first time linux users06:40
|QuaD|i have never set up my dual monitors soo quickly06:41
WitigonenI hear a lot of complaints from Debian people about RPMs, but I've never understood just what was so horrible about them.  Anyone care to enlighten me?06:41
blacknyxYeah SuSe is good for newbies like me, I'm on it right now.06:41
|QuaD|Witigonen: dependencies06:41
|QuaD|blacknyx: i start with mandrake... i consider putting it back on quite often (though i never do) urpmi is pretty good06:42
hypa7iaWitigonen: yes.  dependencies06:42
|QuaD|Witigonen: i can't find a way to install a bittorrent app because it doesn't believe it has python ncurses installed06:42
Rene_SDependancies arent really the fault of the RPM per se. Its the people who make them that forget to include em :)06:42
blacknyx|QuaD|:  Mandrake was too much like windows for me, SuSe is a fair balance until I can learn to do things better on command line.06:42
WitigonenBut programs like apt-get/urpmi/yast/yum all resolve the dependencies automatically.  (apt-get for RedHat/Fedora systems, that is)06:43
|QuaD|blacknyx: i liked it to switch over06:43
|QuaD|apt-get for suse has horrible repoisitories06:43
|QuaD|and it isn't anything like a debian one... it is slow06:43
blacknyxOnce I try to recover my lost+and found files, I'll add ubuntu on a dual boot.06:43
WitigonenHm.  I've never tried SuSE, but apt-get was pretty good on all the RedHat-based systems I tried it on.06:44
|QuaD|Witigonen: i have a suse 9.2 license (legal) i am not using it anymore... if you want i can send you the isos06:44
|QuaD|and you can see why it sucks06:44
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blacknyx|QuaD|: keep in mind, 9.2 was JUST released.06:44
blacknyx9.1 is more stable.06:44
Witigonen|QuaD|, I was thinking just the other night of installing SuSE.06:44
blacknyxI havent even upgraded yet.06:44
|QuaD|blacknyx: they don't even use bleeding edge packages06:45
|QuaD|a lot is crippled06:45
|QuaD|i hate it06:45
|QuaD|Witigonen: want the isos?06:45
Rene_SThats not entirely a bad thing though06:45
Witigonen|QuaD|, Sure.06:45
Witigonen|QuaD|, if I don't use them, I'm sure somebody from my local lug will.06:45
blacknyxBut isn't stable better than bleeding edge?06:46
|QuaD|Witigonen: can i pm you?06:46
Witigonen|QuaD|, of course.06:46
|QuaD|blacknyx: i like bleeding edge06:46
Rene_SDepends on the type of Linux user you want to be06:46
blacknyxI prefer stable, I'm not good enough with linux yet to deal with errors in bleeding edge.06:46
|QuaD|stable is good for a server06:46
Qo-noSmost of these other package management tools that have sprung up in recent years e.g. apt4rpm, yum, swaret, slapt-get, pacman, prt-get drew at least part of their inspiration from Debian's APT. The strength of Debian and hence Debian-related distros like Ubuntu lies with debian's huge pool of packages and repositories and integration of package config in debconf06:46
|QuaD|bleeding edge is good for home use06:47
|QuaD|you don't realize how good you have it with apt06:47
|QuaD|till you leave it06:47
WitigonenQo-noS, Ahh, alright.  Thanks.06:47
Rene_STrue, I hate having to wait for a Gentoo app to compile06:47
blacknyxi haven't had anything with apt yet.06:48
Qo-noSRene_S: heh ;)06:48
|QuaD|blacknyx: i tried gentoo for a while... i decided its not worth the time to compile stuff06:48
meatwadanyone know how to swap out metacity for sawfish as the window manager gnome uses in ubuntu?06:48
Rene_SI started my first Gentoo compile when i was a young man, now I am aged hehe06:48
Rene_Sand I am still waiting06:48
hypa7iagentoo took a day of my life06:48
hypa7iathat's a day i'll never get back :-(06:49
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Adrenalis there anyway to theme gaim?06:49
blacknyx|Quad|:  I had it for a few days, it was such a pain.06:49
hypa7iahttp://www.eghetto.ca/~msviolet/Humour/gentoo.jpg06:49
|QuaD|yeah06:49
|QuaD|debian is great06:49
|QuaD|i miss it06:49
|QuaD|and i have only not used it for a week06:49
|QuaD|though debian kde support has been lagging06:49
Rene_SThe thing thats so nice about Linux as a rule is that people find a distro that works for them and there happy that way, almost everyone I know hates Windows ....06:50
|QuaD|hehe yeah06:50
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|QuaD|the two i found that i like is mandrake and debian06:50
|QuaD|i reccomend mandrake to anyone starting off in linux06:51
Adrenalis there anyway to add window transperency06:51
blacknyxRene_S:  I agree, but I wish I had partition magic right now to try to fix my other hard drive.06:51
Adrenal?06:51
Rene_SI like Yoper for some reason and I love this cause I am a Debian junkie and Gnome works nice06:51
blacknyxI cant find anything to try to fix it with on linux.06:51
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hypa7iaqtparted blacknyx?  jsut run it in knoppix or somethin06:51
Rene_SHmm Knoppix makes a good fix it cd06:52
hypa7iathat it does06:52
Rene_SI usually get lazy though and use the Mandrake CD 1 and repartition with that06:53
|QuaD|so, i am hoping for honesty here, do you guys really think ubuntu is a step up from debian? i don't want to make it 3 installs in a week (would prefer to stay at 2)06:53
|QuaD|Rene_S: I thought i was the only one that did that!06:53
|QuaD|lol06:53
|QuaD|i did that this summer06:53
blacknyxhypa7ia:  Should I run Knoppix on my corrupted hard drive?06:53
hypa7ia|QuaD|: i really really do06:54
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Rene_SDunno about a step up, it seems to be a step forward in making Debian more user friendly06:54
|QuaD|any quick couple word answers/06:54
Witigonen|QuaD|, having no experience with Debian itself (except for one really bad night back in the eighth grade with a 486) so I can't say.  I'm enjoying it, though.06:54
hypa7iablacknyx: i don't know really06:54
|QuaD|ok :)06:54
|QuaD|how does it make it more user friendly?06:54
blacknyxhypa7ia:  thanks for the suggestion though, I wasnt even aware of this program.06:54
hypa7iano problemo06:54
Rene_SPersonally I like Ubuntu because the Gnome desktop works, its fairly snappy, the people in the forums and here are nice and its a Debian based distro06:55
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[lsd] the big thing in making it more user-friendly than debian is the release cycle06:55
|QuaD|i am having a hard time seeing what makes it one step up06:56
[lsd] you can install a stable, supported version that's pretty up-to-date06:56
Rene_SHey I like the 4 year between releases hehe06:56
[lsd] rather than forcing people to run testing or unstable to get recent stuff06:56
Rene_SFreeBSD had 4 years between 4 and 506:56
[lsd] Rene_S: it's great for some things :) perhaps not great for user desktops though06:56
|QuaD|llooking at osdir's screenshots... it looks like ubuntu installs one webbrowser, one email client, one irc, etc ... is that true?06:57
|QuaD|obviously with the option for more later?06:57
[lsd] pretty much06:57
|QuaD|nice06:57
[lsd] the base distribution is kept fairly minimal in terms of application choice06:57
|QuaD|thats good06:57
[lsd] it covers lots of functions, but with only really one app of each type06:57
Rene_SYeah after all it needs to fit on one cd06:57
[lsd] yeah i think it works really well06:57
|QuaD|this might sound like a dumb question, but how long does the install of this take? i wanna plan my time tomorrow :)06:58
Witigonen|QuaD|, shouldn't take more than half an hour.  Fifteen minutes?  Ten?06:58
Rene_SI took me around 30 mins06:58
|QuaD|wow... debian is like twice that06:58
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[lsd] the installer asks very few questions06:58
blacknyxtook me about 30 minutes, but thats because I was changing partitions.06:58
|QuaD|then xserver setup always takes me 30 minutes06:59
|QuaD|damn dual monitors06:59
Rene_SYoper installs in like 7 and a half mins06:59
[lsd] ah you'll have to do that manually after the install06:59
[lsd] or at least, i did06:59
|QuaD|yeah06:59
|QuaD|i always do06:59
WitigonenMandrake's pretty fast, too.  Fedora is slooooow, though.06:59
hypa7iaslooooow07:00
hypa7iaand i have a gig of ram07:00
hypa7ia</brags>07:00
[lsd] the installer configured my 4MB ET6000 as my primary head, instead of the 64mb gf4mx sitting next to it :)07:00
Rene_SYeah, I was shocked on how slow a 1 cd install of Fedora core 2 was07:00
[lsd] which made me laugh07:00
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|QuaD|suse took a while07:00
Rene_SMepis's installer has become peppier these days as well07:01
|QuaD|i really don't understand the differences between the closely related debian distros07:02
|QuaD|like ubuntu, yoper, mepis07:02
Rene_SCreator's personal tastes07:02
|QuaD|just software package choices?07:02
Rene_SYoper was created for speed07:02
WitigonenStrange, strange things happening with Ubuntu that I think are permissions related.07:02
Rene_SMepis was created for newbies07:02
[lsd] many of the ubuntu guys are debian people ticked off with various aspects of debian07:03
|QuaD|so yoper is faster than ubuntu?07:03
[lsd] or they seem to be at least07:03
Rene_SUbuntu was created for humanity :)07:03
HrdwrBoB|QuaD|: it's not a mattter of speed07:03
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HrdwrBoBubuntu is about intgeration07:03
Witigonen1.  My CD-ROM drive is incredibly, incredibly slow.  2.  Same with DVDs.  3. Whenever doing stuff with said CD-ROM drive, system lags a lot.  4. Whenever I print, my printer warms up, but never actually PRINTS anything.07:03
|QuaD|integration?07:03
HrdwrBoBstaying up to date, but off the bleeding edge07:03
HrdwrBoBit's about Just Working07:03
|QuaD|heh07:03
mdzWitigonen: 1-3 = DMA not enabled on the drive07:04
Rene_SYoper is one of the fastest Linux's ever, however its short on native apps and programs07:04
Witigonenmdz, excellent.  I'll google on how to check that.07:04
mdzWitigonen: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom07:04
Rene_SAnd i think its gonna run out of money as well07:04
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Rene_SOne guy living in New Zealand cant front the bill the way its going now07:05
|QuaD|oh well, i think i am going to do the ubuntu thing tomorrow night :)07:05
Rene_SNot everyone has 575 million floating around07:05
mdzRene_S: what sort of benchmarks have been done on yoper?07:05
hypa7ia<cough>mark shuttleworth</cough>07:05
|QuaD|does he ever come in here?07:06
despany vim specialists here?07:06
mdzRene_S: do they do anything besides build with -march=i686?07:06
Rene_SThere was a series of tests performed by some one and posted on there website, the testing boot up, app speed and some other things07:06
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hypa7ia|QuaD|: haven't seen him, but he's active on the wiki and email list it seems07:06
mdz|QuaD|: yes, quite often actually07:06
|QuaD|whats his nick?07:07
Rene_SUnfortunaly the web site is being upgraded so a link isnt gonna help07:07
mdzdesp: it's generally better to just ask your question; if someone can answer, they'll hear07:07
Witigonenmdz, thank you so much.  Ripping is going incredibly well, and I'll test the DVD playback in a minute.07:07
Rene_Sthey strip there builds and then prelink the hell out of everything07:07
mdzWitigonen: unfortunately, there are too many CD-ROM drives out there which don't work properly with DMA enabled, so it is disabled by default07:07
WitigonenAhhh07:08
Witigonenmdz, that explains it :)07:08
despmdz: right. well, whenever I try to open an existing file with vim/gvim, it displays both the beginning and the end of the file, which is rather odd to me, a novice. :P07:08
despso, how can I get it do display the file as one contiguous area?07:08
Tsjoklatnano -w07:08
Rene_SYoper is like a Linux from scratch with some linux speed tricks07:08
mdz|QuaD|: sabdfl07:08
Tsjoklatdesp: nano -w07:09
despTsjoklat: you're really helpful!07:09
|QuaD|oh07:09
Tsjoklat:)07:09
despsigh07:09
mdzdesp: I've never seen the behaviour you describe07:09
despha...07:09
despok, thanks.07:09
despmdz: are there any config files used by vim that could've gone bad?07:10
mdzdesp: there are config files which could have been changed, but if you leave them alone they generally don't spoil ;-)07:10
Tsjoklatdesp: it's a good idea to make a backup dir... and put all the org files in there (copied) so if you do mess up.. you can copy them back07:11
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despgenerally, yeah.07:11
despTsjoklat: uh huh07:11
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Tsjoklatthat's what I do.. and I needed it many times :)07:12
Witigonen...whoah.  Heh. Oops.07:12
WitigonenI guess installing the right printer might have something to do with it.  I installed the 1750 instead of the 1710.  Heh.07:12
|QuaD|alrihgt...bedtime07:13
|QuaD|i will be around tomorrow when i install it :)07:13
WitigonenG'night, |QuaD|.07:13
Rene_SToodles07:14
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geppyWhat is the preferred method of installing J2RE on Ubuntu?07:15
Rene_SHmm odd, I have a Linux distro in German and one in Chinese07:15
Qo-noSRene_S: Chinese? hmmm07:15
stephen_hello. i'm looking for some help on why a "make" command would bail? Braind new ubuntu installation...07:16
Rene_SYeah, Berry Linux is chinese or japanese or something07:16
despahhh.07:16
geppystephen_ what does it say in the console?07:16
Qo-noSRene_S: ah07:16
despmhz: it's the folds mechanism automatically applying to all my LaTeX documents I was trying to edit07:17
Rene_SThe german one is from a government ministry07:17
stephen_geppy: i should explain. trying to run a script that came from the minitar.com website. drivers for a wifi pcmcia card...07:17
[lsd] do you have make (and gcc  etc. for that matter) installed?07:17
despmdz: it's the folds mechanism automatically applying to all my LaTeX documents I was trying to edit07:17
desp:)07:17
stephen_ii am pretty syre that i have gcc installed. i thought that make installed as part of the c++ files??07:17
Rene_SSomeplace around my house I still have a copy of Storm Linux from like 199807:17
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[lsd] try an apt-get install make just to double-check07:18
yohanneshi, how do i execute *.bin file?07:18
geppysh ./*.bin07:18
stephen_geppy, the error message is lsd: yep, latest installed already...07:18
geppyer, run07:18
geppylsd"07:19
geppyThat's all that you're getting?07:19
stephen_the error message is... make[1] : Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386'07:19
stephen_make[1] : Makefile: No such file or directory07:19
stephen_make[1] : *** No rule to make target `Makefile'.  Stop.07:19
stephen_make[1] : Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386'07:19
stephen_rt2400.ko failed to build!07:19
stephen_make: *** [module]  Error 107:19
[lsd] ah07:19
[lsd] you need kernel headers07:19
stephen_i thought they were installed too? how do I check?07:19
[lsd] i think the package you need is linux-headers-2.6.8.1-something07:19
[lsd] not sure exactly07:19
stephen_(i love linux geeks, we're so helpful!)07:19
[lsd] hmm there's a package called linux-kernel-headers07:20
[lsd] i guess that's an alias to whatever the appropriate version is07:20
[lsd] try installing that :)07:20
Rene_SYeah, everything I know about Linux i learned from Google07:20
stephen_lol...07:20
stephen_synaptic tells me that the headers are installed. i also suspect that it might be a symlink problem.07:21
schifoguys07:21
schifohow long does it take to compile the kernel07:21
stephen_the script i downloaded assumes every english speaking linux user is using rh...07:21
schifobeen at it for 40 mins07:21
hypa7iaschifo: that's normal07:21
crimsundepends on the options you selected and the speed of your machine07:21
hypa7iahow fast is your machine schifo?07:21
schifo1.6ghz07:21
Tsjoklatand how many modules you are building07:22
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schifo207:22
stephen_lsd... when u said "try installing that", what did you mean?07:22
[lsd] apt-get install linux-kernel-headers07:22
[lsd] but looking at it now07:22
[lsd] it sounds like they may well be installed07:23
stephen_i'll try it anyway... hang on a sec...07:23
[lsd] but if it's expecting a makefile in there, it might be disappointed07:23
stephen_i think that is what the script is doing.07:24
geppyWhat is the preferred method of installing J2RE on Ubuntu?07:24
[lsd] i hope you don't have to end up building a kernel, and then building the driver against that :/07:24
[lsd] geppy: there's a FAQ on the website i think07:24
geppyThanks.07:24
stephen_lsd: apt-get reports latest version of the kernel-headers installed...07:25
[lsd] ah okay07:25
geppylsd:  It just says that it's unsupported.  Does that mean that I should install the sun .run file?07:26
[lsd] geppy: i think so y eah07:26
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geppyThanks.07:26
[lsd] i could have sworn i read a more comprehensive guide to it on the ubuntu website the other day07:27
[lsd] but i can't find it now07:27
stephen_has anyone else tried to install wifi drivers for a minitar pcmcia card?07:28
Tsjoklatlsd: maybe the wiki page07:28
[lsd] Tsjoklat: ah i think you might be right07:28
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[lsd] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java07:29
[lsd] bingo07:29
htaccesshi ive just installed on a toshiba satelite pro 4300 laptop, when ubuntu boots there is a black x laft in the middle of the screen, you know the x that always appears when the xserver starts, but it doesnt go away, the mouse cursor works fine.07:29
htaccessany suggestions on howto remove the x?07:30
hypa7iahtaccess: lemme find it on the wiki for ya, it's a known bug07:30
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htaccesshypa7ia, cool, thanks, known bugs are much better than unknown ones ;)07:31
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hypa7iahttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/hwcursor07:31
hypa7iathat they are htaccess :-)07:32
htaccesshypa7ia, thankyou kindly07:32
hypa7iarock on!  i found something i needed when searching for that :-)07:32
hypa7iano problemo, glad to help07:32
Tsjoklatgo hypa :)07:33
Rene_SWish someone told me about the known bugs in my marriage :)07:33
stephen_can anyone spare a 1 on 1 conversation? i'm trying to install minitar wifi drivers. think i'm having kernel problems tho...07:33
TsjoklatRene: love is blind and marriage is the eye opener07:33
Tsjoklatthat's all you need to know07:33
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hypa7iahaha nice one Tsjoklat :-)07:34
Tsjoklatlol07:34
Rene_SDidn't know about all the dependancy problems before hand07:34
hypa7iastephen_: don't think i can help you with that :-(07:34
WitigonenThere's this hilarious quote in The 300 Spartans, but since I want to keep my spleen, I'm not going to say it.07:34
hypa7iasaaaay it!07:34
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WitigonenBah, let me see if I can find it.07:35
bwitihey doing a pxe install...07:35
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bwitiand in the /etc/dhcpd.conf, do I add the mac address of the computer i am installing to or the host?07:36
TsjoklatRene you only got a real problem if you are in marriage two and up07:36
bwitidone it before, but cant remember07:36
Tsjoklathehe you didn't learn much from the first time then07:36
bwitiwell? any ideas?07:36
Rene_STrue, been at this 10 years.  Seem's to me I can live with the bugs now07:37
Tsjoklatyou'll be fine I would reckon... heheh07:37
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hypa7iabwiti: i'd think the target comptuer07:37
hypa7iathe one you're installing on07:37
Rene_SYeah the wife is a good ole gal, only gonna trade her in for 2 sheep and a llama07:37
hypa7iabut the real question Rene_S: is she running linux :-)07:38
Tsjoklatgo for alpacas Rene07:38
hypa7iahaha, best person-for-sale story07:39
Rene_SNO, she looks confused when she see's me using it07:39
hypa7iaaww, you gotta get her on it :-)07:39
Rene_SI am gonna slip here a live disc oneday and see what happens07:39
hypa7iaRene_S: as much as i hate suse, try the suse livecd. it's very windowstacular07:39
Rene_SWow i am tiring starting to spell worse than a 3 year old07:39
WitigonenWhoah... how very strange... On a umount -f I'm getting, "/dev/sda10: not mounted, /mnt/sda10: Illegal seek" and then a "device is busy" on a failed umount with the error "Device or Resource busy".  I can't think of anything that could be using it, though.07:40
Rene_SI got a bunch of Live CD's kicking around gonna try one out on her machine soon07:40
Rene_Swould make filesharing easier07:41
hypa7iamy plan is to get a fileserver / remote box going in my house07:41
hypa7iashow the two roomies how to vnc into it to download crap off the university DC++ hub07:41
Rene_SMine is to make sure my fridge never out performs my PC07:42
hypa7iaand they'll like that so much that i'll just have to put them on linux07:42
hypa7iawell, maybe not the one with the mac.  she can stay in osx07:42
hypa7iabut the other... i am sick of clearing spyware off her compy :-/07:42
Tsjoklathypa your wife is on osx?07:42
WitigonenWhy doesn't the right-click menu ever work in Nautilus in a mounted drive?07:42
phillhow would i mount an ftp as a folder?07:43
hypa7ianot my wife, my roomie Tsjoklat07:43
hypa7ia<-- is in unimiversity07:43
hypa7ia<--also is not a guy07:43
Tsjoklatwell you could still have a wife lol07:43
hypa7iathat i could, that i could :-)07:43
hypa7iayay canuckistan07:44
Tsjoklatlol07:44
TsjoklatI knew you are not a bloke hypa... but you could have had/have a wife07:44
Tsjoklatwho knows.. some ppl collect stamps.. others wives07:44
Rene_SIll stick to stamps07:44
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Rene_SOne wife is plenty for me07:45
TsjoklatI'll stick to my cats07:45
TsjoklatI got four07:45
Tsjoklatmy babies07:45
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hypa7iathere's been a lot of jokes up here of late about marrying americans so that they can move here07:45
Rene_SI got 2 Jack russel terriers07:45
Tsjoklatyou are canuck hypa?07:45
hypa7iait's especially funny if they're of the same sex :-)07:45
hypa7iathat i am07:45
Tsjoklatyou best be proud :)07:45
TsjoklatI got a friend that had to move to CA to marry her gf07:45
Rene_SDeep down inside we are all Canadians07:45
Tsjoklatand even deeper down Canadians are all Europeans07:46
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hypa7iahaha07:46
hypa7iaone of my friend's msn nicks has been for the past week:07:46
hypa7ia"canada has decided to pack up and move to europe.  for convenience, we are taking alaska with us"07:46
TsjoklatLOL07:47
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Rene_SHehhe07:47
TsjoklatGod that is hilarious07:47
TsjoklatI remember when I saw your nick for the first time hypa07:47
Tsjoklatit was very late/early and I read hymen07:47
hypa7iahttp://www.michaelmoore.com/_images/splash/usofcanada.jpg07:47
hypa7iahaha07:47
TsjoklatI was like.. well that's orginal07:47
jmhodgeshypa7ia: i like that msn nick :D07:47
hypa7iait's actually kinda funny... my name irl is leigh07:47
Rene_SMines Bob07:48
hypa7iaand i picked hypatia for my irc nick... she was an ancience greek mathematician07:48
Rene_Sdunno why i call myself Rene07:48
hypa7iabut apparently there was also a porn star named....07:48
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Tsjoklatidentity crisis Rene07:48
hypa7ia*drumroll*07:48
hypa7iahypatia lee07:48
Tsjoklathahaha too f unny07:48
jmhodgeshehe07:48
Rene_SHypatia Lee07:48
Rene_Swoot07:48
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Tsjoklatgo hypa07:48
Rene_SClassic Porn07:48
hypa7iatooootally coincidental :-)07:48
Tsjoklatmines is Des.. and I got a very huge obsession with chocolate07:48
Tsjoklatsureeeeeeeeeee hypa07:49
hypa7iareally!  it was!07:49
hypa7iamy ex loved 70's porn, found out from him07:49
Rene_SJesusland lol07:49
TsjoklatLOL07:49
Rene_SI can almost see that07:49
Tsjoklatthe music always cracks me up hypa07:49
hypa7iamy slashdot sig now reads "from just north of gilead"07:50
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jmhodgeshypa7ia: hah07:50
hypa7iawe'll see how long i go before getting flamed for that :-)07:50
Tsjoklatwe use to have chocolate from my grandmother.. from a factory from Indonesia that was named: tjoklat07:50
hypa7iathank goodness for the +1 karma bonus07:51
Tsjoklatwell ad one and one07:51
hypa7iawhy the s then Tsjoklat?07:51
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Tsjoklattjoklat was taken lol07:51
hypa7iahaha doh!07:51
phillhow would i mount an ftp as a folder?07:51
Tsjoklatand it sounded better I think07:51
hypa7iayeah, that's why there's a 7 in my name07:51
htaccesshypa7ia, thanks x gone now07:52
Tsjoklatmy alter nick is DLite07:52
TsjoklatD from my first name and Lite well... I could be a shining light? if I really tried?07:52
hypa7iahaha, well, you're helpful on here07:52
Tsjoklaton my website it reads: name... Dee Lizious07:52
hypa7iaawesome htaccess :-)07:52
Tsjoklatgoes with Tsjoklat07:52
hypa7ianice07:53
hypa7iai used to be pandorasvox everywhere07:53
TsjoklatI sometimes have this brain spurs lol07:53
Tsjoklatbut I do wonder about Bob/Rene now07:53
hypa7iathen i was secretsoflife07:53
hypa7iabut now, hypatia it is :-)07:53
TsjoklatI like it hypa :)07:53
hypa7iamoi aussi07:53
Tsjoklatand I am sorry if I read hymen the first time07:53
hypa7iano worries :-)07:53
Tsjoklatwe shall blame that on my dyslexia :)07:54
hypa7iai even got hypatia.ca! nothing there now tho07:54
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hypa7ialol07:54
Tsjoklatlol07:54
hypa7iaand soon home.hypatia.ca will point to my house!07:54
TsjoklatRene... we want to know how you went from Bob to Rene07:54
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hypa7iawhile the main site will be on my server in florida07:54
Tsjoklatwhat part of CA are you? west? east?07:54
hypa7iatoronto07:54
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Witigonenbrb07:54
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Tsjoklattoo lazy to look hypa07:55
Tsjoklatare you in the French speaking part?07:55
schifoTsjoklat07:55
schifoit finally finished07:55
Tsjoklatschifo07:55
Tsjoklatwoooo07:55
schifowhats the next step sir07:55
Tsjoklatma'am07:55
Tsjoklatwell read da page I flopped at you07:55
Tsjoklatgotta install the .deb now07:56
Tsjoklatdo you know the peanuts hypa?07:56
schifobut im scared though07:56
schifowill it screw up grub07:56
Tsjoklatof what?07:56
hypa7iaTsjoklat: i'm in toronto, capital of ontario, the big anglo province07:56
Tsjoklatnooooo07:56
schifok07:56
Tsjoklatit won't screw up grub07:56
hypa7iaTsjoklat: peanuts?07:56
TsjoklatI feel like Peppermint Patty... when everybody keeps calling me Sir07:56
Tsjoklatyeah07:57
hypa7iahar har07:57
hypa7iawe need to add somethign to the topic07:57
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hypa7ia"please do not assume that everyone here is male, kthx07:57
Tsjoklatyes that would be awesome07:57
Tsjoklatdrives me bonkers when they msg me saying: dude07:57
hypa7iadurn, no ops around07:57
hypa7iayeah, seriously!07:57
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Tsjoklator: are you really a chick? I always reply with: are you really a pig?07:58
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hypa7ialol07:58
Tsjoklatblimey07:58
hypa7iaour LUG is trying to figure how how to get more women involved07:58
logicHello ladies07:58
Tsjoklathello logic07:58
logichehe07:58
hypa7ialol logic07:58
Tsjoklatlogic is waving a white flag!07:58
logicI don't want no trouble07:58
Tsjoklatno trouble from me logic07:59
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WitigonenI need help with a find command.07:59
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Tsjoklatwhat find command?07:59
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WitigonenI need to find all the files of a certain type and delete them.07:59
Tsjoklatfrom where? from what?07:59
Tsjoklata package you installed?07:59
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WitigonenNo, music files of a certain type.07:59
Tsjoklatare they in one folder?08:00
Tsjoklator on your whole box?08:00
GammaRayWitigonen: do they have the same extension?08:00
WitigonenGammaRay, they do.08:00
TsjoklatWiti: first do this08:00
WitigonenTsjoklat, they are in many subdirectories in one folder.08:00
Tsjoklatsudo updatedb08:00
GammaRayWitigonen: find -iname "*.ehatever" | xargs rm08:00
Tsjoklatit takes a file08:00
Tsjoklatdo the update first Witi.. that way you are sure to remove EVERYTHING08:00
GammaRayforget locate08:01
Tsjoklatwon't work if he hasn't done an updatedb08:01
Tsjoklatlocate/find won't find swat08:01
GammaRayfind will work fine08:01
Tsjoklatno comment08:02
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GammaRayWitigonen: that searches the current dir08:02
htaccessWitigonen, find . -name '*.mp3'08:02
GammaRayWitigonen: you can put a path after the word find08:03
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schifoTsjoklat, what about this: Be sure you say "no" when the script asks if you want to install a boot block using the existing /etc/lilo.conf. That08:03
htaccessWitigonen, check out http://www.linux-mag.com/2002-09/power_01.html08:04
schifoafter installing kernel using dpkg -i kernel-image.deb08:04
Tsjoklatwhat do you mean schifo?08:04
htaccessand http://www.linux-mag.com/2001-04/newbies_01.html08:04
logicI want to install the Windows fonts - corefonts I think they're called - on Ubuntu - anyone know if these are available via apt?08:06
hypa7iayup logic, msttcorefonts08:06
hypa7iamight need to enable universe08:06
hypa7iaerr no, i think they're just in restricted08:07
Tsjoklatget xfonts-artwiz too logic.. very nice08:07
hypa7iaoh thanks for reminding me Tsjoklat08:07
WitigonenOkay... well... I'm getting an 'xargs: unmatched single quote" error.08:07
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logicThanks08:07
TsjoklatWiti did you do the updatedb?08:07
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WitigonenTsjoklat, yes.08:08
Tsjoklatcd to /08:09
WitigonenAlright.08:09
Tsjoklatrm *.extension08:09
Tsjoklatbut it is tricky08:09
TsjoklatI would really try to do a locate *.extention first08:10
GammaRaylogic: here is where I got them08:10
GammaRaylogic: deb ftp://ftp.mowgli.ch/pub/debian/ sarge unofficial08:10
Tsjoklatto see where it is and where to remove it08:10
WitigonenTsjoklat, did it.08:10
Tsjoklatdid it give you a list of where it is located?08:10
WitigonenTsjoklat, where THEY are located, yeah.  There are quite a few of them.08:10
GammaRayWitigonen: ok try this then08:10
Tsjoklatwell do one dir at the time and redo the locate command08:11
Tsjoklatthat's what I would do08:11
GammaRayWitigonen: find -iname "*.ehatever" -exec rm "{}" \;08:11
logicThx GammaRay :)08:11
hypa7iaGammaRay: you don't need to add that rep to get msttcorefonts08:11
GammaRayhypa7ia: I'm all ears08:11
TsjoklatI have copied a lot of win fonts into my nix box.. works great08:11
WitigonenGammaRay, that worked, thanks.08:12
Tsjoklatit was logic that wanted the fonts hypa08:12
GammaRayWitigonen: ofcourse it did (-;08:12
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hypa7iai know Tsjoklat but GammaRay pointed logic to a faraway repository when i think they're in ubuntu restricted08:13
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Tsjoklatwb Ruffian08:13
Tsjoklatbye Ruffian08:13
Tsjoklatlol08:13
hypa7iaor possibly universe08:13
Ruffian|JANE|bye08:13
Tsjoklatah okay I missed that hypa excuse moi08:13
Tsjoklatthat was pretty tame for you Ruffian08:13
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Tsjoklatwas expecting a five line yelling match :)08:13
bratscheAnyone using Hoary updated Evolution?08:13
logichypa7ia: Yeah found em in synaptic without adding any reps thanks08:14
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Tsjoklatwhats the prob bratsche08:14
hypa7ianp logic08:14
TsjoklatI took the plunge hypa08:14
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Tsjoklatdid it this weekend08:14
hypa7iai'm waiting a month08:14
TsjoklatI wish I had08:14
hypa7iahahah, doh :-(08:14
bratscheTsjoklat: It doesn't seem to download POP mail anymore.  I switched over to my Fedora partition using Evo 2.0 and it worked fine, so it's not the server.08:14
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bratscheTsjoklat: Ever since I upgraded to Evo 2.1 in Hoary, it stopped downloading mail.08:15
TsjoklatI heard of probs with it bratsche.. might want to check the bug site08:15
bratscheOkay.08:15
Tsjoklatyou could always downgrade08:15
Tsjoklatif it is a problem (which it sounds it is)08:15
Tsjoklatnothing major hypa.. just minor twitches here and there08:15
WitigonenHrrrmmm.. Okay, every time I try to add a directory to xmms it just crashes.08:15
bratscheHow do you do that?  I thought Synaptic just shows the newest packages?08:16
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WitigonenWith a segmentation fault.08:16
Tsjoklatbratsche: go to cd /var/cache/apt/archives08:16
Tsjoklatdo ls -l evolution*08:16
GammaRayWitigonen: recompile xmms w/ CFLAGS=-g and run gdb on it (-;08:16
Tsjoklatsee the older version: do sudo dpkg -i filename08:16
Tsjoklatafter you have done that you may want to lock the evo version you like...  until they got it fixed08:17
Rene_SI updated to Hoary but I ended up downgrading Evolution08:17
WitigonenIt doesn't matter if I run it as root or not, so it's not a permissions thing.08:17
TsjoklatRene... what about the nick lol.. I haven't forgotten it yet08:18
Tsjoklatdid it work bratsche?08:18
GammaRayWitigonen: atleast it's consistant08:19
Rene_SI was only Kidding about the Bob thing, Rene is my name,  Mother thought it was an elegant name for a boy08:19
bratscheTsjoklat: Yes, it looks like it fixed it.  Thanks!08:19
Tsjoklatoooh08:19
Tsjoklatwell it is.. nice name08:19
hypa7ias/elegant/um, something else08:19
hypa7iaheheh08:19
hypa7iai like it actually08:19
bratscheTsjoklat: I don't suppose you know how to fix the spam filtering do you?08:19
Tsjoklatgreat bratsche :) do you need me to help you lock your evo version?08:19
Rene_SI no longer communicate with my mother08:19
WitigonenGammaRay, How true.  I deleted .xmms from my home dir and reinstalled it via apt, no luck there.08:20
hypa7iaand heck.  i have a pretty genderneutral name too, so whatevv08:20
Rene_SYou would be surprised how many people rhyme Rene with another not so flatering word08:20
Tsjoklatno I use spamassian on my router bratsche.. no spam no nothing :)08:20
Tsjoklatwait until your name is desiree...08:20
Tsjoklatyou constantly have bowel problems08:20
Tsjoklataccording to others08:20
bratscheOkay, well thanks anyway.08:21
Rene_SHmm i dont get the corelation, I am a tad slow today08:21
Tsjoklatdiarea08:21
bratscheI don't suppose anyone else has Evolution correctly filtering spam on Ubuntu?08:21
Tsjoklator how ever you spell it08:21
Rene_SI dont get spam so I dunno08:22
WitigonenBeep is working, though.08:22
GammaRayWitigonen: apt-get source xmms; cd xmms*/; export CFLAGS=-g; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b08:23
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GammaRayhmm 11 minutes to ER08:24
Rene_Sanother Rainman wannbe :)08:24
WitigonenGammaRay, fakeroot : command not found.08:25
GammaRayWitigonen: apt-get install guess-what08:25
Witigonenhehe.08:25
Tsjoklatsudo apt-get build-essential something08:25
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Rene_SOk, now i am getting tired, I almost typed that08:26
geppyhahaha08:26
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geppybed'08:26
Tsjoklatnight geppy08:27
geppy'night08:27
bratscheTsjoklat: Yes, so how do I lock Evolution at 2.0.2 now?08:27
Tsjoklatok open up synaptic08:28
bratscheOkay.08:29
Tsjoklatsearch evolution08:29
Tsjoklatsee the one you installed08:29
Tsjoklatwith a green block in front of it08:29
bratschek08:29
Tsjoklatversion 2.0.208:29
Tsjoklatselect that08:29
bratscheOkay.08:29
Tsjoklatpackage --> lock: select that08:29
Tsjoklatit will v08:29
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bratscheCool, thanks.08:30
Tsjoklatthen a lock will appear and when you do upgrades it won't upgrade08:30
weaselloI'm trying to restart my Apache webserver but it says file not found. Where are such execs usually found? /bin?08:30
Tsjoklatto the new version that doesn't work for you08:30
Tsjoklatwhen you want to unlock it.. same routine... select the package.. go to package click lock version again.. the v will vanish the lock will be gone and you can upgrade it08:31
jdubweasello: how are you trying to restart it?08:32
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tmartinhi, my rm is not asking me for confimation08:32
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tmartinis there an alias somewhere?08:32
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tmartini grepped my bashrc but found nothing08:33
jdubtmartin: see your .bashrc file08:33
tmartinyea08:33
weasellojdub: apachectl -k graceful08:33
bwitianyone wanna help me with a pxe install... done it before, but having a hard time08:33
jdubtmartin: did you see /root/.bashrc?08:33
jdubweasello: do /etc/init.d/apache2 reload08:34
tmartinno just my user one08:34
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tmartino yea its in there alright08:34
tmartinthanks so much08:34
weasellojdub: great, worked, thx08:35
bwitiHey, configuring dhcpd3 to work with a pxe boot... dhcpd3 says not configured to listen on any interface... Do i need server mac addrss in thers somehow?08:37
Rene_SWell boys and girls thats it for me this evening.  Have your selves a good night08:37
jdubbwiti: dhcpd.conf needs to have scopes and so on, running on an available interface08:38
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bwitijdub: scopes? like what? got subnet netmask client mac addrsss..08:39
jdubyeah, that's a scope - make sure it's actually providing something for an active interface08:39
jdubbwiti: also, see /etc/default/dhcp3-server08:40
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bwitijdub, ok now i got a no subnet declaration on eth0... getting better08:41
WitigonenGammaRay, while that worked, I also found out that it was the xmms-mp4 package that was causing it to crash.08:42
WitigonenGammaRay, which is sad, since I have a decent number of mp4 files.08:42
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Tsjoklathey volvo08:43
volvoguyhowdy08:43
Tsjoklat:)08:43
borgmeisteris anyone having toruble with sound in games like frozen bubble?08:43
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volvoguyhey, is there some trick to getting a samba server up and running on ubuntu?08:43
volvoguyi installed the necessary packages, edited smb.conf, and keep running into this error message - "session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE"08:44
fabbionehey volvoguy08:44
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volvoguyhey fabbione08:45
fabbionecheck that the samba server is listening on all the interface08:45
volvoguyand how would i do that?08:45
fabbionei think it was me restricting it to lo08:45
fabbionenetstat -a | less08:45
Tsjoklatafk: converting Somatic icons08:45
WitigonenHey, anyone have experience here with TransGaming's Cedega or CrossOver Office?08:46
volvoguywhat should i be looking for fabbione?08:46
fabbionevolvoguy: hang on a sec :-)08:47
borgmeisteri wouldnt bother with proper games on my laptop, intel extreme graphics, dont do much >.<08:48
volvoguythanks. :) i see a microsoft-ds and netbios-ssn in the "listen" state.08:48
fabbionevolvoguy: exactly.. but netstat should also tell you where they are listening08:48
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fabbionevolvoguy: netbios-ns      137/tcp                         # NETBIOS Name Service08:48
fabbione(/etc/services is your friend)08:49
volvoguyfabbione: i have a line - tcp 0 0 *:netbios-ssn *:* LISTEN08:49
GnuHippyhow do I find out what kernel I am running?08:50
GnuHippyWitigonen shoot!08:50
fabbionevolvoguy: it seems correct to me08:50
GnuHippy?08:50
volvoguyfabbione: no port number though.08:50
fabbioneGnuHippy: uname08:50
fabbioneehm08:50
fabbioneuname -a08:50
WitigonenGnuHippy, uname -r08:50
fabbionevolvoguy: netbios-ssn is the port08:50
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WitigonenOr, well, -a I guess.08:51
WitigonenQuestion, for an athalon-xp processor, do I want the k7 kernel or the 686 kernel?08:51
mrjivehi *08:51
borgmeisterdo you have a athlon xp?08:51
borgmeisteroh srry08:52
borgmeisteryeha k708:52
WitigonenAwesome.08:52
fabbionevolvoguy: if you want to see the port numbers just use -n08:52
borgmeisterathlon xp=k7 athlon 64=k808:52
WitigonenAh!08:52
borgmeisteri use 68608:53
borgmeisterp408:53
borgmeisterbtw08:53
AmaranthDuron processors are k7 too.08:53
AmaranthBut the catch is, not all of them are.08:53
borgmeisterthere are very few programs compiled for athlon and p4 seperately08:53
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volvoguyfabbione: ok. it looks like i don't have netbios-ns (name service?) running.08:53
borgmeisterx86 is the common type of app08:53
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fabbionevolvoguy: i suggest you to check both smb and nmb logs in /var/log/samba (or something like that)08:54
fabbionethere should be 2 daemons running08:54
fabbionewith the same names08:54
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volvoguyfabbione: ok. i'll check that out. the netbios-ssn appears to be listening on lo.08:56
fabbionevolvoguy: yes. you need to change the config files to listen on all interfaces or the one you need08:56
volvoguyfabbione: is that in the smb.conf file?08:56
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mrjiveciao fabbione08:57
volvoguyfabbione: both log files say that their service started.08:57
WitigonenG'night everyone!08:57
fabbionevolvoguy: yes..08:57
fabbionevolvoguy: it's in smb.conf08:58
fabbionemrjive: ciao08:58
volvoguyfabbione: ok. i'll look into that. did you know the man page for smb.conf is HUGE? :-)08:58
fabbioneyes i know :-)08:58
fabbionevolvoguy: gimme a sec only.. i am checking the flags you need08:59
volvoguyfabbione: thanks! :-)08:59
fabbione       bind interfaces only (G)09:00
fabbionethat's what you need to look09:01
fabbione       interfaces (G)09:01
fabbioneor this one09:01
volvoguycool. thanks fabbione!09:01
fabbione       socket address (G)09:01
fabbionealso this one :-)09:01
volvoguy:-)09:01
fabbioneno problem09:01
fabbione              Example: socket address = 192.168.2.2009:01
fabbione:-)09:01
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volvoguyfabbione: i'm surprised that isn't in the default smb.conf somewhere.09:02
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fabbionevolvoguy: i think we did patch patch the code to listen on localhost only by default09:03
fabbionevolvoguy: but i am not sure 100%09:03
bwitiok maybe it would be easier to copy some files to my hard drive and use lilo, than try to set up pxe...09:03
volvoguyfabbione: aren't samba shares kind of useless on localhost? ;-)09:04
fabbionevolvoguy: not necessarely.09:04
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HWolfHm. It's like line 5 on my system, but we'll see11:23
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MithrandirHWolf: no, that's the wrong one, not the one saying make_resolv_conf () {11:28
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HWolfAh, got it.11:29
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xarehi11:50
xareI just installed ubuntu11:50
Treenakscongratulations :)11:50
xareand I find myself unable to log in11:50
xarethe second time11:50
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Scognitohi all11:50
Treenaksis your capslock on?11:50
xarenow I am in in error proof mode11:50
xareno11:50
Treenaksxare: ah so you can login11:50
Treenaksxare: ("it accepts your password")11:51
Treenaksxare: but the rest doesn't work ?11:51
xareyeah I seem to have aproblem with gnome11:51
Scognitois safe to upgrade to hoary?11:51
Scognitoor i may lose the data on my hd11:51
xareit is the second time it happens11:51
jdubScognito: have you used debian sid before?11:52
Scognitoyeah11:52
Scognitoever11:52
xareon the 1st time I copied the backup data I had on another partition bat to /home/user11:52
xareand i found myself already with that problem11:52
Scognitojdub, sid was my last distribution (i used it since 2-3 years)11:52
xareI seem to have problems in changing permissions to files and folders even when I am logged in as root11:53
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Scognitoso?11:53
jdubScognito: so hoary is sid + our changes11:53
jdubScognito: it'll move faster, and potentially be more unstable because of that11:54
jdubScognito: but if you're into fixing bugs and reporting stuff, and know how to fix a debian machine when things go wrong, go for it :)11:54
Scognitosure, but i mean, no risk to lose data then11:54
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tmartinhey all, i cant play CDs ?  what the checklist for getting cds to work11:55
MithrandirScognito: of course there's a risk of losing data, but the developers are running it on their systems, so it shouldn't eat your data on purpose.  We do take data loss bugs very seriously as well, mind.11:55
Scognito:)11:55
Scognitoanother partition is better than :)11:56
Scognitothen11:56
Treenakstmartin: put CD in drive. Start CD player program. Press "play"11:56
tmartinwell in that case... no sound comes out of mah speakas11:56
Treenakstmartin: that should do it.. you might have to enable the volume11:56
Treenakstmartin: (in the volume control thingy)11:56
tmartinof the cd program?11:56
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Scognitotmartin, which program do you use?11:57
tmartinum i guess its whatever is staritng up.. cd player11:57
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tmartini can play mp3s ok11:58
tmartinive tried playing the cd in xmms but its not working in their either11:58
tmartindo i need to connect the cd cable from my drive to my soundcard?11:59
jdubyes11:59
tmartinthats not necessary under win Xp so iono11:59
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tmartinah crap because the metal prongs on the male connect are broken12:00
tmartinconnector*12:00
tmartinwhy cant the cd info just go over the system bus12:00
paperflakehi12:01
paperflakehaving probs getting the xserver started12:01
tmartinso theres nothing i can do m8?12:02
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jdubtmartin: check the xmms cd plugin configuration, it might do digital extraction12:03
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phillHi, whats a decent gui bittorrent client that doesn't screw around with ratios for those of us who are upload limited (ala bittornado)12:03
tmartinjdub thx it works12:03
Scognitophill, i use azureus12:04
tmartini assume therees no lose in quality?12:04
Scognitovery very cool12:04
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phillwithout java?12:04
jdubtmartin: it's digital.12:04
tmartinsince the cd is digital12:04
tmartinah you beat me to it12:04
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tmartinthen why is there an analog connector?12:04
phillif you don't have that plugged in, and you can play cd's, then it's digital12:05
paperflakeit tells me the fonts are not installed or correct, any1 had anything similar ?12:05
phillit used to be cd drives were made so you couild play audio through the sound card without a cd player12:05
phillit's like a legacy kind of thing12:05
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phillnow software can read straight from the disc12:05
phillno worries12:05
tmartinoh ok12:06
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tmartinthats why some older drives have the play button on teh front?12:06
toxicsludgeok, PXE booted, got the installer to start, having a hard time configuring the mirror...12:06
toxicsludgeany ideas?12:06
philltmartin: yep12:07
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Scognitoone question12:10
nefertatii cant log on to ubuntu. the error message says: your session only lasted less than 10 sec.if you have not logged out yourself,this could meant that there is some installation problem or that you are out of disk space.12:10
Scognitolsmod tells me vesafb is loaded, but i have no fb12:11
Scognitoi'm usinga nvidia card12:11
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nefertatiso i am new to linux and i dont what to do. :( can someone help....12:11
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Scognitonefertati, mmm12:13
Scognitoyou have diskspace ok, right?12:13
nefertatiscognito :yes12:14
Scognitonefertati, i had this problem some time ago12:14
Elw0od_21Scognito,  i have the same video card, compiled vesfb as built in and it works12:14
nefertatiscognito : and?12:14
Scognitolog on under console, and remove .ICEauthority12:15
ScognitoElw0od_21, so you recompiled12:15
nefertatiscognito : and?12:15
Elw0od_21Scognito,  si ho ricompilato12:15
ScognitoElw0od_21, eh eh ciao :)12:16
Elw0od_21Scognito,  ciao :)12:16
Scognitoand then restart X12:16
Scognitonefertati, ctrl alt del12:16
nefertatiscognito : ok12:16
Scognitoand logon under X again12:16
nefertatiscognito : and? then its ok ?12:17
paperflakecan any1 help with xserver not starting due to fonts not correct ?12:17
Scognitoshould be12:17
nefertatiscognito : ok thank you .... :)12:17
Scognitodoes it works?12:18
nefertatiscognito : me?12:18
Scognitoyes12:19
nefertatiscognito : i'm in windows now12:19
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Scognitoah ok12:19
nefertatiscognito : i'll to try this now12:19
nefertatiscognito : i'll to go try this now12:19
Scognitook12:20
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esotericmorning12:40
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esotericello12:42
toxicsludgehello12:43
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linux_galoredont you hate it when you have this really great idea in your head all day at work then get home and you cant remember what it was12:44
toxicsludgepxe boot doesnt seem to like the ubuntu mirrors12:44
toxicsludgesays it cannot find the release file12:44
esotericmaybe the idea was "go home" :)12:44
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linux_galoreno it was some distro idea a user baught something up and I was thinking...hmm why doesnt anyone fix that12:44
esotericanyone know of any round about ways to get ubuntu to do RAID1 on /boot ?12:45
linux_galoreLinux isnt really good at raid1 better of with raid512:45
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esotericduring installation only given option for raid or rai112:46
esotericraid1 even12:46
esotericuggg12:46
esotericsorry raid0 and raid 112:46
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Kanohi12:46
linux_galorenot good considering raid1 and Linux suck12:46
Kanoi would like to know if the full kernel source or only a part of it is included by default12:46
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dredgi have never had a problem with raid1 on linux12:47
linux_galorewhy would they only do part of the source ??12:47
Kanolinux_galore: well to be able to compile drivers later12:47
Kanowhat is included by default12:47
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netmonkdoes anyone know how can I get suspend or stand-by on my toshiba?12:47
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linux_galoredredg: it works but when you bench mark it you can see Linux is having problems swap to raid5 and Linux suddenly goes into turbo mode12:48
linux_galoreChris Perens did a report debunking Microsofts tests using raid1 with Linux12:48
linux_galorebasically swap to raid512:49
linux_galorenetmonk: poke around http://www.google.com/linux  just enter the model number and the term suspend12:51
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chzhas anybody played with the gdesklets?12:52
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chzi'm trying it out rite now...theres a cool lil chat applet that im using as i type...12:53
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linux_galore(is a closet kde user)12:53
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nefertatiscognito : thanks it worked.. :)12:53
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Rubukiehi12:55
linux_galorehai Rubukie12:55
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RubukieI am installing ubuntu 4.10 but when grub installation comes up I can't intall it in the floppy. What am I donig wrong?12:55
Rubukiehi linux galore12:56
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Beagle2hello, how do I replace old libc6 in sarge with libc6-i686?12:56
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jdubBeagle2: you don't, you just install libc6-i686 as well12:57
netmonk10x linux_galore12:57
jdubBeagle2: same as ubuntu12:57
RubukieI tried specifing /dev/fd0 or (fd0) but nothing happens. Does anyone know if it is possible?12:57
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Beagle2jdub: apt-get says it has unmet dependencies12:58
linux_galoreRubukie: what about /floppy12:58
Beagle2jdub: libc6-i686: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2.2) but 2.3.2.ds1-16 is to be installed12:59
jdubBeagle2: are you using ubuntu?12:59
Beagle2jdub: no, I am using sarge01:00
Beagle2jdub: I want to switch to ubuntu.01:00
jdubBeagle2: that's going to be hard, i recommend you do a fresh install01:00
jdubBeagle2: or follow the guide on the wiki01:00
Beagle2I don't have a cdrom...01:00
Beagle2I guess I can get some tarball and unpack it?01:01
Beagle2(I don't have a cdrom drive)01:01
linux_galorewhy the need for libc-i686 anyway its not always going to give you a performance boot in fact in some cases it will slow things down01:01
linux_galoreboost*01:02
Beagle2linux_galore: I can't install ubuntu-base01:02
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Beagle2and I want to upgrade my X01:03
linux_galoreBeagle2: x.org ??01:03
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Beagle2linux_galore: no, just from 4.3.0.1 to whatever01:04
Beagle20.99?01:04
Beagle2linux_galore: ubuntu has X.org?01:04
linux_galoreBeagle2: most people are swapping to x.org  my new slackware install is running it01:04
linux_galoreBeagle2: next release Ive been told01:05
Beagle2my fedora too.01:05
Amaranthhoary either has it or will soon01:05
Beagle2actually, I just want my dri to work.01:05
linux_galorehmm OpenGL transparencies01:05
Amaranthi just want my ATI Radeon 7000 to not screw up text on bzFlag01:06
Beagle2I don't know if RENDER use opengl.01:06
linux_galoreBeagle2: dont need dri with nvidia driver its built in01:06
Beagle2linux_galore: it's prosavage8 something according to lspci..01:06
linux_galoreaaah01:06
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linux_galorebeen looking at the IBM T series laptops like everyone told me....bloody things all have ATi video chipsets....bummer01:08
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Beagle2does ubuntu has base.tgz something?01:08
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linux_galorehai sid01:08
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Beagle2I don't want to download cd, i just want minimum system without desktops.01:10
mjg59linux_galore: If you want power management to work on a laptop, an ATI chipset is a much better choice at the moment01:10
linux_galoreBeagle2: well I would just use Debian then01:10
mjg59Beagle2: No (and nor does Debian nowadays)01:11
linux_galoremjg59: yeah but no 3D driver01:11
mjg59linux_galore: ATI have a closed one01:11
Beagle2linux_galore, mjg59 ok, thanks.01:11
linux_galoremjg59: and no 64 bit render suport in the Linux drivers01:11
Beagle2i always get debian's base tarball and upgrade from that.01:11
Amaranththe open source ati driver is getting much better with 3d support for newer cards too01:12
Beagle2thanks anyway.01:12
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linux_galoreI like to play games now and again and I was like..well if Im going to fork out lots of $$$ for this IBM laptop it better have decent 3d games support01:13
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linux_galoreIBM only seem to use Intel Extreme and ATi for video now in their new laptops01:14
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linux_galorehmmm might just get a no brand AMD64 laptop with nvidia for the same price as a IBM Centrino based model01:16
Treenakscentrinos are way better at battery life afik01:16
Treenaks+a01:16
linux_galoreyeah but not as future proof01:16
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linux_galorealso AMD are about to release a mobile version of the AMD6401:17
linux_galoremight wait01:17
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linux_galoreor just grab a second hand IBM T20/39001:18
Treenaksanyone here going to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Conference/ ?01:20
linux_galoreoooh goody a heckle fest01:21
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linux_galoreoh cool just noticed a nice TNEF file viewer...save me having to write a script plugin01:24
umanlinux_galore: so that's where you are hiding01:24
umanhehe01:24
uman<- taters here01:24
linux_galoreyeah just got bored01:24
umanthis channel is normally pretty entertaining and helpful01:25
umanyou should have been here when they had the discussion about the pr0n artwork, heh01:25
linux_galoreyeah bit slow today I think everyone has gone to bed01:25
sid77one of my friend is having trouble with ubuntu/ppc: no packages shows up in synaptic, even after update. any ideas?01:25
chemajai'm awake01:25
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|rufius|hmmm, how do you update the gnome menus?01:26
linux_galoreuman: pfft @ pr0n artwork  I see worse stuff at the train station every day01:26
Treenakslinux_galore: you do? which train station is that? :P01:26
umanyeah01:26
umanI took that screen with the 3 beautiful people and just whacked a crux on it replacing the ubuntu01:27
linux_galoreTreenaks: Town Hall always has these lingerie posters on the wall01:27
Treenakslinux_galore: city/country? :)01:27
linux_galoreSydney01:27
Treenaksah.. the other side of the planet :)01:27
Treenaks(not that we don't have pictures like that everywhere here in .nl :))01:28
linux_galorewatch the ethnic TV station (sbs) here and you never need to rent a pr0n movie again lol01:28
umanTreenaks: hahaha, not naked enough for the Netherlands01:28
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linux_galoresbs TV has Queer As Folk on now with guys shagging each other and blowing each other off01:29
linux_galoreand thats Gov owned free to air01:29
linux_galoreso the whole ubuntu wallpaper thing was pretty tame for me01:30
linux_galoreknow what I thought as soon as I saw the ubuntu wallpaper.....some redneck will complain some how because there are mixed races holding hands01:31
linux_galoreand Bingo i was right01:31
Treenakslinux_galore: look at the logo again.. see some similarity?01:32
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blokkiehow do I play mpeg or mpg's  ?01:33
blokkietotem shows a black screen01:33
linux_galoreTreenaks: yes noticed that01:33
umanI thought it is some great artwork, and pretty people, too01:33
linux_galoreblokkie: I use ogg or xine....ogg is the simplest01:33
uman<- mostly uses kmplayer01:34
litenvlc is kinda easy, since it comes with most codecs builtin01:34
Treenaksblokkie: read the wiki (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats)01:34
linux_galoreTreenaks: only thing I see missing in the picture is an asian  should be white black asian01:35
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blokkiewhich package contains xine ?01:36
umanlinux_galore: they're very sneaky01:37
Treenaksblokkie: read the wiki (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats)01:37
blokkieTreenaks,  I read that01:37
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blokkieogg theora .. installed that .. now how to use that ?01:37
linux_galoreuman: also they make up over 52% of the worlds population (asians) big market to ignore01:38
Treenaksblokkie: it's just a codec.. so get some movie in ogg/theora format and play them..01:38
blokkiebut I have mpeg01:38
linux_galoreblokkie: mp3 or mp401:38
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umankmplayer plays all that for me fine01:39
Treenakslinux_galore: mpeg video  I think01:39
linux_galoreuman: kmplayer is just a UI for mplayer01:39
umanI normally use gmplayer, but had some issue with alsa01:39
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blokkiemplayer is not in my repo01:39
blokkie ubuntu 64 AMD01:39
linux_galoreblokkie: mplayer is the backend to kmplayer you cant have kmplayer without mplayer installed01:40
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blokkielinux_galore, fine .. but I don't have any of them :-)01:41
umanlinux_galore: for me gmplayer never managed playlists properly01:41
umanworks great in kmplayer01:41
blokkiewhere do I get mplayer / gmplayer / kmplayer ?01:41
umandoe subuntu use some package manager ?01:41
umandoes ubuntu ^01:41
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linux_galoreblokkie: mplayer is pretty much the "plays everything" tool although I find for comercial restricted DVD's ogg seems to work better and so does xine01:42
blokkielinux_galore,  fine , whatever .. but I don't have xine or mplayer .. and they are not in my repo's when I do apt-cache search ...01:42
linux_galoreuman: yeah apt-get  its based on debian and you can use synaptic if your a point and click person01:42
umanlinux_galore: xine does the DVD menus, true01:42
umanbut for everything else I use kmplayer01:43
umanok, for real audio streams I use mplayer01:43
linux_galoreuman: the mplayer team are starting the whole thing from scratch they said what they ended up with was too messy01:43
umanI would agree01:43
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linux_galoreuman: you try streamtuned yet01:44
umanthey need some serious rewrite of their gui, to01:44
umantoo01:44
umanit never worked properly01:44
umanlinux_galore: no01:44
umanhaven't tried it01:44
linux_galoreuman: its actually pretty cool it streams audio and has a very nice UI very simple looks like a car stereo UI01:45
umanI shall try it out01:45
Treenakscar stereo UIs suck, imho01:45
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umanlooks interesting01:47
linux_galorecould be worse...could have the weird BMW 5 series all in one controller that no one can figure out01:47
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linux_galoreanyway time for bed01:49
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linux_galorel8ter folks01:49
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theineanybody else having sound problems under hoary?01:55
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djtanseyI'm having an interesting problem. I just came back from a weekend out (i had my laptop with me). I just got back to my desk. i am getting considerably more quiet sound. the settings in gnome-volume-manager are all the same. guesses? things i can check?01:59
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menglefhello ubuntu people, i need some advice02:00
mercurusdjtansey: are both speakers working ? are the hard-set volume controls at the same level ? Try using ALSA mixer to reset things02:00
mercurusmenglef: what's up ?02:00
menglefive made a new machine for graphic/web design. and i need bluefish and scribus02:00
djtanseymercurus: my x40 only has one. and i've tried headphones, external speakers (which can usually get unbearably loud), and just the regular speakers.02:01
menglefas a debian user, id like to say, wow, ubuntu was easy as could be to set up for desktop use02:01
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mercurusmenglef: you'll find them in the universe repository ... see the Wiki or the HowTos for information about enabling that repository with Synaptic or by manually editing the /etc/apt/sources.list file02:01
djtanseymenglef: that isn't hard.02:02
menglefyeah im used to debian and xfree problems02:02
mercurusdjtansey: ThinkPad X40 ? (nice :) have you rebooted at all ?02:02
djtanseymenglef: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe multiverse -- put that in (it should be there but commented) then (as root) apt-get update. then apt-get install scribus bluefish02:03
menglefperfect02:03
theineHow do I get ``Umlauts'' in GNOME?02:04
theineThey are not properly displayed right now02:04
djtanseymercurus: yeah. when i first plugged it in i didn't have any sound what-so-ever. i assumed there was some resource issue or going to/back from suspend problem or being docked after having been booted (and suspended/unsuspended) without being docked.02:04
theineAlso danish/german/swedish keyboards do not really work02:05
djtanseymercurus: so i rebooted. i had sound (actually had to killall esd. rhythmbox wouldn't have sound. then when i started rhythembox again and i got /usr/bin/esd -terminate -nobeeps -as 2 -spawnfd 26 -- but still quiet sound02:05
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mercurusdjtansey: esd didn't start automatically ?02:06
djtanseytheine: just responding so you know i'm paying attention -- i have never used non-US keyboards so i can't help. stick around. there are a lot of nice people who will help if they can.02:06
theinemercurus: it starts automatically but it blocks the sound device02:07
djtanseymercurus: it did. but not with those settings. it was something else. i can't remember exactly what but it was a much shorter line.02:07
theinedjtansey: sounds good02:07
mercurusis this warty or Hoary ?02:07
theineFor me it's Hoary02:08
djtanseymercurus: warty. i installed the preview release and have apt-get updated to the latest packages02:08
mercurusdjtansey: hmm ... have you had any ALSA issues in the past ? or esd issues ?02:09
djtanseymercurus: but i haven't added or removed anything except xscorch since i last used it on my speakers at a reasonable level (and it's not awful -- i just have the external speakers turned up ALL THE WAY to play at a reasonable pleasant listening volume)02:09
djtanseymercurus: not really. sound worked out of the box. here's another issue02:10
djtanseymercurus: now sometimes when it switches from song to song it says resource busy. can't open resource.02:10
mercurusdjtansey: I had that exact problem until I got the lates updates ... (and re-installed) and it has been flawless since02:10
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djtanseymercurus: i can recreate that by clicking the "next" button rapidly -- but not if i click it with any delay02:11
pisukedjtansey, same message here with stop/play in totem02:11
theinewhat do you mean ``got the latest updates and re-installed''?02:11
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mercurustheine: I got the latest updates, and re-installed02:11
mercurusseparate actions, but between them, the ALSA issue disappear02:12
mercurus*ed02:12
djtanseymercurus: you mean you had gotten the latest updates and they didn't work so you reinstalled from scratch?02:12
mercurusdjtansey: that was the order I took, aye ...02:12
theinemercurus: like wiped your partition and re-installed ubuntu?02:12
djtanseymercurus: are you at the current versions now? can't say i'm looking forward to a reinstall02:12
mercurusre-installing rhythm-box might work though02:12
mercurusdjtansey: yes02:12
theineor re-installing esd02:13
mercurusbut I kept all the updated packages, and added them as a repository and refused to use apt02:13
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mercurus-get online during the install02:13
djtanseymercurus, theine: going to try both02:14
theinedjtansey: do mplayer or totem work fine for you?02:14
djtanseytheine: i didn't try totem but mplayer was equally soft sound02:15
djtanseytheine, mercurus: going in and out of gnome to test. i'll brb.02:16
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djtanseynothing -- same issue. shall i try gstreamer-esd?02:19
djtanseyany debugging i can do? any volume control apps that would do more than gnome-volume-manager?02:20
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mercurusdjtansey: you can try alsamixer02:20
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theinedjtansey: any success?02:21
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djtanseyalsamixer didn't help.02:23
djtanseycould just affect the sound changing master and pcm -- but those were the same settings i had before. 100% master and 80% PCM02:24
djtansey(any more PCM and it gets crackly -- that was the same as before)02:24
djtanseybtw, i tested with totem. same thing02:24
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chibifsErm. That's normal.02:25
chibifsPCM is soft overamping.02:25
ryani hope nvidia releases an alsa version of their audio driver with hardware mixing soon02:25
chibifsIt's smart to never have it over 50%02:25
ryani could throw my sblive in but i don't want to bother when the onboard sound on my nforce2 rocks02:25
chibifsStarting some programs will boost it back up. >.>02:25
djtanseychibifs: no -- that's not the issue. the issue is it isn't as loud as it was a few days ago. all of my sound (except i've-pressed-backspace-too-many-times-in-a-console) is more quiet than it was02:25
chibifsHmm. What kind of card?02:26
ryani hate beeps02:26
ryani unplugged my internal speaker02:27
ryanstupid thing02:27
djtanseychibifs: i don't know. uses the snd_intel8x0 module. noticed i also have a snd_intel8x0m module. i don't know if i had both before. i didn't change kernels though..02:27
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ryancuz it beeps even when trying to tab-complete some things02:27
ryanso it would be beeping ever two seconds02:27
ryandamn near ripped the thing right out :P02:27
ghostriflehi there !02:27
chibifsHmmm.. Don't know what to say. :/02:27
ryandjtansey: is it an integrated carD?02:27
crimsundjtansey: blacklist snd-intel8x0m02:28
djtanseycrimsun: do you know anything about it?02:28
djtanseyryan: it's a laptop, so yeah.02:28
ryanah02:28
ryandjtansey: know what kind of chipset it uses?02:28
crimsunwell, at least you're getting sound. That's a good sign.02:28
ryanif its sis it might be the sis7012 audio codec, which uses the intel 810 driver02:29
crimsunthe issues I've seen are no sound, or invalid codec 0.02:29
ryan8x002:29
ryanand the sis7012 audio blows ass in anything other than windows anyway; the mixer is either 0 (off) or 1 through 100 (on)02:29
crimsunfor the former case, you want to disable the modem and the printer port in bios. You also want to blacklist snd-intel8x0m.02:29
crimsunfor the latter case, you want to use "noapic".02:30
ryanmy nforce's realtek audio chip uses the intel 8x0 driver too02:30
obosI kinda forgot my password for nickserv.. is that bad? i registered yesterday on another ip02:30
crimsun(the latter case usually requires a very recent version of alsa-driver, too.)02:30
ghostrifledoes anyone know how i can "speedthrottle" my laptop ?? acpi is running (ps shows me kacpid).. but the fun is running like hell02:30
crimsunobos: ask in #freenode02:30
djtanseyryan: i think it's an intel. remember from getting the laptop (x40) -- but i can't find anything about it in dmesg02:30
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obos10-402:30
ryanis the sblive the ONLY card that has properly working hardware mixing in linux or what02:31
djtanseycrimsun: noapic?02:31
ryani'd say unix but maybe sun's proprietary audio controllers work fine :P02:32
Mithrandirryan: no.02:32
Mithrandirryan: I have a hercules thingy which works excellent.02:32
crimsundjtansey: sometimes that resolves the "invalid codec 0" issue. It's a hit n' miss issue. You can see that error in the output of dmesg.02:32
ryanMithrandir: oh?02:32
ryanMithrandir: is it a muse XL?02:32
ryan4channel card02:32
ryanwith '3d' sound02:32
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crimsunobos: is geert resolving the issue with your nickserv passwd?02:33
Mithrandirmuse XL?  no, based around cs4xxx, iirc.02:33
Mithrandir5.1, iirc.02:33
oboscrimsun, yes, I got a new one :)02:33
crimsunobos: good deal :)02:34
ryanmm, well the last time i used that card it used a cmedia driver or some sort iirc02:34
djtanseycrimsun: but how do i use noapic? do i pass it to my kernel with grub?02:34
ryani got the card in another computer, but i also managed to snag the cd02:34
crimsundjtansey: correct.02:34
ryanwhich says musexl on it02:34
crimsundjtansey: append it to the kernel line02:34
crimsundjtansey: but first check the output of `dmesg' for those "invalid codec 0" errors.02:34
ryanthe people i got it from, well, they don't know anything about computers and probably just bought the cheapest thing from radio shack possible ;)02:34
crimsundjtansey: if you don't have those, it's not worth trying that option.02:35
crimsundjtansey: the first thing I'd try is blacklisting snd-intel8x0m and rebooting.02:35
djtanseycrimsun: didn't find any. the word invalid (or Invalid) anywhere02:35
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djtanseycrimsun: where is the blacklist list? i have forgotten02:36
crimsundjtansey: ok, you don't need the "noapic" option. Try the first suggestion.02:36
crimsundjtansey: you can add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base or /etc/hotplug/blacklist02:37
djtanseycrimsun: just did the latter. thanks. i'll see you in a minute.02:37
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huttanwhen i try to build a module for ati driver using make-kpkg it says it cant find drm.h, im using standard ubuntu kernel, anyone know how to fix this ?02:43
crimsunhuttan: the binary-only fgl driver?02:44
huttancrimsun, hm..i downloaded 2 deb files, driver and kernel02:44
crimsunhuttan: they're already in the linux-restricted-modules-2.6* packages in Ubuntu02:45
ryanis the new nvidia driver going to make it into hoary?02:45
crimsunryan: yes.02:45
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ryanwhew02:46
crimsunryan: they just entered Sid yesterday, so they'll be in Hoary shortly.02:46
huttancrimsun, cool02:46
ryanexcellent02:46
huttancrimsun, any idea how i install them ?02:46
obosmy amsn hangs after a while.. :(02:46
djtanseycrimsun: nothing -- i blacklisted it an it was still loaded! i even blacklisted it in both files and rebooted agian. nothing.02:46
crimsunhuttan: in Synaptic, look for the linux-restricted-modules-2.6* packages02:46
ryanheh02:46
ryandjtansey: yeah, i had a brutal fight with the hotplug stuff02:47
ryanit refused to stop loading alsa stuff02:47
crimsundjtansey: ok, more drastic measures. sudo rm -f /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686-smp/kernel/sound/pci/snd-intel8x0m.ko02:47
ryani ended up just moving the code modules away02:47
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ryanbut then the hardware mixing appeared to stop working with the nforce driver anyway02:47
ryanmuch to my discontent02:47
crimsunthe soundstorm is capable of hardware multiopen, but Nvidia refuses to open the specs. Unfortunately one's stuck w/ the snd-intel8x0 driver.02:48
ryanyeah02:48
ryani'm not even sure if my nforce2 has soundstorm02:48
ryanmines always identified as a realtek alcsomething02:49
huttancrimsun, kk, now i just modprobe it and change driver in XF86config ?02:49
djtanseywell, i gtg. thanks for the help. i'll try that.02:50
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websitehi to all02:51
crimsunhuttan: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto has the caveats02:51
crimsunhuttan: but essentially, yes.02:51
ghostrifleargh.... how can I compile my own kernel with ubuntu ?? I've installed the kernel-headers(the source ?? ) but a 'sudo make menuconfig' doesn't work cause ncurses-devel is missing.. but there's no ncurses-devel-thingy in apt02:51
websiteis ubsplash (or ubuntu splash) already relased?02:51
jdubwebsite: no02:51
crimsunghostrifle: libncurses-dev02:52
jdubghostrifle: apt-cache search ncurses dev -> you'll find it02:52
ryanrealtek alc650 thats it02:52
websitejdub, can i have the sources?02:52
crimsunghostrifle: and you need the kernel-source02:52
jdubwebsite: it doesn't exist yet02:52
website????02:53
ghostriflecrimsun, not the headers ??? well... but there's just 2.6.7 in apt ... but the kernel from the cdrom is 2.6.8.102:53
crimsunghostrifle: if you want to compile your own kernel, you need the kernel-source02:53
crimsunghostrifle: pardon, it's linux-source*02:53
ghostrifleah.. ok02:53
thoreauputicapart from build-essential what packages are needed for a working compiler etc? gcc g++ make automake ?02:54
crimsun(I'm used to Debian Sid terminology, sorry)02:54
crimsunthoreauputic: that should be it.02:54
crimsunbuild-essential gets you the base.02:54
websitejdub, in a ubuntu page there is written that it will be relased with wartydog, isn't it?02:54
thoreauputichmm OK thanks02:54
huttancrimsun, it wont install fglrx-driver when i apt-get it02:54
crimsunhuttan: is universe in your sources.list? Or did you add it via Synaptic?02:55
ryancrimsun: were you a debian dev?02:55
huttancrimsun, synaptic02:55
jdubwebsite: it was planned for hoary (our next release), but it is not at the top of our priority list atm02:55
ryan(were/are)02:55
crimsunryan: nope.02:55
huttanand yes, universe is in it02:55
websitejdub, i want to help ubuntu developers to develop it. who must i contact?02:56
crimsunhuttan: would you paste the errors in #flood please?02:56
huttancrimsun, sure02:57
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jdubwebsite: hm, no one's actively working on it atm02:57
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phillhow can i get the rss-glx screensavers working?02:58
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tuxxHello02:59
crimsunhuttan: where did you get the flgrx*4.3.0* debs?02:59
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website-__-02:59
aakroshhi everybody..02:59
crimsunhullo02:59
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aakrosham a newbie for gnome..have been using kde02:59
Agabushey people03:00
aakroshfacing some problems03:00
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Unfunhello ubuntu03:00
aakroshcould somebody help me03:00
seb128phill: you might be interested by https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=304203:00
tuxxI have a problem with Gnome - it tries to be smarter than me and refuses me to open files if it thinks it's another type than named. How do I disable that? It's a .asx file03:00
Unfunanyone awake?03:00
huttancrimsun, the link from dpkg in #debian03:00
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Agabuswell i'm awake Unfun but no-one seems to be saying hello :(03:00
huttancrimsun, might have fixed it, lemme restart X03:00
UnfunI'm trying to install ubuntu base system and it goes fine until it tries to install lib6c-i686 i get an error, unable to download libc6-i68603:00
huttancrimsun, brb03:00
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tuxxI'm not sure whether it's a Gnome-issue or Ubuntu-issue03:00
aakroshactually nautilus takes forever to open folders and most of the apps crash..03:01
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aakroshi am at a loss03:01
phillseb128: thanks, but i got it working ,there was as script :)03:01
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websitewho is thre project manager of usplash?03:01
aLii have no cd-rom, how can i install ubuntu with floppy ?03:02
aakroshwas wondering if any of you are facing the same problem03:02
seb128phill: so why asking ? :)03:02
UnfunDoes ubuntu actually download packages from the internet during the base install?03:02
philli asked, and then figured it out :D03:02
seb128phill: ok03:02
MithrandirUnfun: not if you install using CD, no03:02
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Agabuswhy does Ubuntu not detect my 80gig FAT32 secondary IDE hard drive and put it in mnt or wherever after fresh install??03:03
UnfunMithrandir i have the one 500mb cd.03:03
UnfunDoes that one have all the base packages?03:03
MithrandirUnfun: yes, it has all the packages03:03
UnfunWonder why i'm getting a cannot download libc6-i686 then when installing from cd.03:04
crimsunthere's no 'i' in it.03:04
crimsunerr, n/m03:05
crimsunI'm a bit slow this morning.03:05
BeTadoes anyone know what's the software wich manage my laptop's fans w/ ubuntu (but I think I can enlarge this question to all linuxes ;c))03:05
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ghostrifleBetA: what processor are you using ??03:06
ghostrifleamd athlon ??03:06
BeTaPPC G403:06
sjoerdBeTa: what kind machine ? albook ?03:07
BeTaPowerBook 15" 1.5GHz03:07
sjoerdBeTa: that's an albook, the kernel itself does it03:07
ghostrifleargh... how can I install this linux-k7 stuff..... the default (386??) kernel from ubuntu does support all the athlon stuff....03:07
Amaranthcan someone do me a favor?03:07
Amaranthrun apt-cache show xserver-xfree86 and paste the version03:08
ghostriflesynaptic tells me something from unresolved dependencies when I select the linux-kernel-k7 thing03:08
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BeTasjoerd: mmm... I supsect that fans are not activated enough... and that can be the reason of various random crashes...03:08
BeTasjoerd: is there a solution to make my fans more sensitive ?03:09
chibifs4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu2503:09
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sjoerdBeTa: echo -10 > /sys/devices/temperatures/limit_adjust03:09
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sjoerdBeTa: you can find the temperatures in /sys/devices/temperatures too03:10
tuxxI have a problem with Gnome - it tries to be smarter than me and refuses me to open files if it thinks it's another type than named. How do I disable that? It's a .asx file. How do I disable that feature?03:10
chibifsDon't use nautilus. :D03:10
chibifsnautilus is smelly.03:10
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BeTasjoerd: great... I've forgotten looking into /sys :cb03:11
jamaasI've lost my oss sound drivers, can anyone tell me how to restore my oss sound drivers, without knowing how I'm reduced to alsa only... thanks :-/03:11
tuxxI've googled with no luck - prob. because I don't know what to google for :-)03:11
jdubtuxx: that's a bug in the file type detection atm03:11
UnfunI really want to use ubuntu but i can't figure this error out.03:11
BeTafsckin' 2.4 reflexes03:11
tuxxjdub can I make a passaround? Firefox won't let me open it so I'm guessing it's because of that.03:12
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BeTasjoerd: cat /sys/devices/temperatures/limit_adjust : 003:12
BeTais that ok A?03:12
tuxxjdub it's not a possibility to rename it as it's streamed video from a website03:12
crimsunjamaas: you're absolutely positive you prefer oss/free over alsa? the former's deprecated...03:12
jdubtuxx: dunno why firefox has a problem with it03:12
chibifscrimsun: Don't forget slower. :P03:13
jamaascrimsun: I'm not sure of anything, just that half of my sound programs won't work without oss ?  Does this make sense?03:13
Treenakstuxx: does the icon change when you click it?03:13
Treenaks(that's a problem I'm having..)03:13
tuxxjdub me neither but I'm guessing it's because Gnome think it's evil. http://konsol.tv2.dk/konsol2/flad/kanal/607106 is the site I'm trying to use03:13
BeTaGPU Tc : 59 | CPU Tc : 48C03:13
tuxxTreenaks sometimes yes.. from one to another and then back like the wind changes03:13
crimsunjamaas: sure, makes sense. Does your sound work now?03:14
BeTasjoerd: great !! your advise made my fan running :c)03:14
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jamaascrimsun: it does for some programs but not for others like voip, skype03:15
sjoerdBeTa: those temperatures are quite normal (atleast on my 1.25 ghz 15")03:15
crimsunjamaas: do you have snd-pcm-oss loaded? check via lsmod03:15
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BeTasjoerd: I want to understand where is the bug in my system to understand why it's crashing03:16
BeTasjoerd: you never get any random crashes ?03:16
BeTa(so I want to isolate some possible crashing problems)03:16
jamaascrimsun: no I don't ... should I modprobe it? or do I need something more specific?  Thanks03:17
crimsunjamaas: yes, sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss03:17
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crimsunjamaas: which alsa driver are you using?03:17
wfxpoweroff does not work, where do i find the infos to get it also work under ubuntu03:18
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theinewfx: what's your machine?03:18
jamaascrimsun:  .....  I give up, which one is it  ??  I can check in synaptic or something?03:18
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jamaascrimsun: I think it is still whatever is standard in warty ?03:18
sjoerdBeTa: nope03:18
thoreauputicwfx: have you tried  sudo modprobe apm ? and adding apm to /etc/modules ?03:19
theinejamaas: what does ``sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss'' give you?03:19
wfxtheine, pc with amd cpu mainboard is gibayte, yes i have test it with apm03:19
benjanetmy GL screensavers goes to black screen...any ideas03:19
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theinewfx: no clue in that case03:19
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wfxthoreauputic, yes i have it test with apm03:20
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crimsunjamaas: you can check via the Volume Control program in the Applications>Multimedia menu03:20
thoreauputicwfx: no good?03:20
theinewfx: and you do have the apm module loaded, right?03:20
jamaascrimsun: Thanks a bunch mate, that fixed it in one easy instruction!  How can I make this load correctly the next time I boot?03:21
wfxyes03:21
wfxit have work with other distribution... so it must als work with ubuntu03:22
theinewfx: and you are running apmd03:22
theine?03:22
crimsunjamaas: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base03:22
wfxtheine, no apmd is running03:23
jamaascrimsun: I hear ya!03:23
crimsunjamaas: make sure you enable oss emulation03:23
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theinewfx: that might be the reason then03:23
theinewfx: wait, it is running you say?03:23
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wfxtheine, ps -xa | grep apm say yes it is up03:24
wfx6212 ?        Ss     0:00 apmd03:24
theinewfx: I guess you're really unlucky in this case03:25
wfxtheine, i test it, back in 1min. :-)03:25
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jamaascrimsun: Thanks mate, well thats that crisis tous jour overcome !! On to the next, help much appreciated :)03:26
kentmy brother has a usb-modem (adsl) that needs the eciadsl drivers to work. I see that Ubuntu has them, but can some one tell me if Ubuntu will configure the modem on the fly, or do he have to configure it him self? it seems kind of tricky to configure eciadsl :(03:28
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wfxtheine, i have add noacpi acpi=off now it works03:32
theinewfx: good to hear that03:33
theinewfx: what's your machine by the way?03:33
wfxtheine, it a normal pc with an amd cpu, what info you want03:34
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theinewfx: right, i already asked...03:34
wfxhmmm, now rhythmbox make some prob... GStreamer-WARNING **: inconsistent state information , fix threading please03:35
theinewfx: i think that's quite unrelated to apm/acpi03:36
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wfxtheine, rhythmbox, yes it is :)03:37
wfxhmm should i post my poweroff stuff?03:37
wfxubuntuforum03:37
theineOpenoffice doesn't seem to start up after I upgraded to Hoary. Anybody else encountered this?03:39
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pilleI'm looking for a good programmer editor... someone got a tip for me?03:39
theinevim03:39
shaveremacs03:39
shaverthere, now we're done03:39
pillewith gui :)03:39
Mithrandiremacs og vim03:39
Mithrandirs/og/or/03:39
shaverxemacs03:40
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wfxargh, and now have i have some trouble with nautilus or samba03:40
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kstrakagood morning all, I've got an apache/SSL problem.  I'm trying to use .htaccess files with apache, and when I go and access an area I've got setup as protected, I get a 500 error. The log file says:03:41
kstraka[Mon Nov 08 09:23:30 2004]  [alert]  [client 127.0.0.1]  /var/www/apache2-default/phpki-0.60/ca/.htaccess: Invalid command 'SSLRequireSSL', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration03:41
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kstrakaI have openSSL installed, is apache not aware of it?  I know SSLRequireSSL is a logal commandl any thoughts?03:41
wfxi leave have fun.03:41
pillethx emacs looks good - anything else? looking for sth like editplus or sth with scintilla03:42
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theineNobody else having problems with OpenOffice under Hoary?03:44
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Perchello03:50
Perchow's the default support for prism54 wlan cards in ubuntu?03:50
theineWhere do I get mplayer-plugin as a deb-package?03:50
Perceg. how much work do I have to do :)03:50
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genHey guys03:51
arun--in vi, how to enable indentation? aligning with matching brackets automaticallY?03:51
jpvcxtheine: it should be in multiverse03:52
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jonex[Help]  I have problems with ubuntu not detecting my other partitions(ntfs, fat32 and reiserfs) I can't find them anywere :/03:52
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theinejpvcx: Didn't find it there03:53
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theinearun--: what does ``:set autoindent?'' and ``"set filetype?'' give you03:53
theine?03:53
drunken-wallabyhi there...03:53
theinearun--: sorry, that's ``:set filetype?''03:54
LinuxJonesPerc, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards03:54
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theinejpvcx: wait in minute... what's ``multiverse''? I only looked in ``universe''...03:54
gendo any of you guys use azureus03:55
geni used it on windows, how should it be on here? gargatuan memory leaks?03:55
theineholy shit! I didn't know about multiverse...03:56
jpvcxtheine: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-20.122809024703:56
genyou just add multiverse to sources.list right03:56
theinejpvcx: thanks buddy03:56
pilleHow can I add items to the 'Application' menu?03:56
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jpvcxgen: correct, it has some emu's (xmame/xmess snes9x)03:57
arun--theine: set filetype, just said, filetype=perl03:57
geni just installed ubuntu, first linux distro for me about 5 minutes ago03:57
theinearun--: and ``:set autoindent?''03:57
gencan anyone help me update firefox to 1.0 rc1 or rc203:58
genusing warty and its at .9.303:58
LinuxJonesgen, you can get the installer from the mozilla website and install from that03:59
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arun--theine: autoindent also works, the subsequent lines always aligns with the start of the previous lines03:59
theinearun--: and what exactly doesn't work?03:59
genLinuxJones: will do that, i'll let you know if i run into a mix up :)04:00
arun--theine: from what i see, autoindent, doesnt seem to align with matching brackets04:00
LinuxJonesgen, the developers don't feel it is stable enough for the warty release, hopefully you won't have too many problems with it :)04:00
theinearun--: can you message me a code example?04:01
arun--theine: may be i am not clear in my question, where can i get to see the :set options for vi04:01
theinearun--: you mean the values of all options?04:02
genlinuxjones: then i'll wait, not a big deal04:02
genwhen the official is out, could i apt-get it?04:02
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arun--theine: that too, instead of asking people around,04:02
drunken-wallabyhas anyone beed successful to get k3b to work without the .ICEautority problem? i folled the howto but i still do get the problem after burning04:02
drunken-wallabyfollowed of course :)04:02
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theinearun--: you're right, it doesn't work in perl mode. Have you looked at vim.org?04:03
markus__Hi. Ahm, I got a funny but also tragic situation here: My Ubuntu plays every music (mp3, ogg) about twice as fast it should ... Any idea what's responsible and how to fix this?04:04
theinearun--: works fine in C-mode though...04:04
arun--theine: thank you for checking, i am heading to vim.org ..04:04
theinearun--: you're welcome04:05
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ryanargh04:06
ryanhow is ntp setup in ubuntu04:06
ryanever since i started using it it keeps jumping ahead :P04:06
ryanit being ubuntu04:06
ryanit gains like 6 minutes in 12 hours04:07
jdubwhat are you running it on? a laptop with cpufreq support?04:07
ryanno04:07
ryanstandard desktop system04:07
genwhat's the easiest way to get/install mplayer04:08
jdubnot sure04:08
ryani've never experienced this issue before heh04:08
ryanthen again i don't think i've ever used a kernel with so many modules loaded at once before04:08
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PercLinuxJones, thanks :)04:09
LinuxJonesperc, np :)04:10
ryanfirefox 1.0 final is supposed to be out tommorow04:10
ryanyay04:10
Percfinally04:10
Scognitobut i think it will never go on warthy04:11
arun--theine: atleast in ubuntu vi, java and C works without any need to :set autoindent or :set filetype, it works perfect based on file extension.. except perl;)04:11
theinearun--: That's so weird... Unfortunately the only perl wizard I know uses Perl...04:12
theinesorry, ... uses emacs :)04:12
jpvcxgen:it should be in multiverse (or is that only in hoary?)04:12
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theineis it possible to get a list of those packages I installed from 3rd-party repositories?04:13
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arun--theine: there are some packages called vim-perl, vim-scripts, vim-python, vim-gtk ..i will install them and see, the description given for them are VI Improved perl support for vim ...04:14
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RoBLiNuX_Hello04:15
RoBLiNuX_I'm new to ubuntu04:15
TreenaksRoBLiNuX_: cool :) do you like it?04:15
RoBLiNuX_Yes :)04:15
housetierwelcome RoBLiNuX_04:16
RoBLiNuX_I never tried gnome looking one seems nice and fast on my 634mhz celeron desktop linux box04:16
RoBLiNuX_Thanks.. I'm also a newbie to linux is this the right distro for newbies?04:16
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pr3ttyb0yHEllo its RobLinux here on my ubuntu :)04:17
pr3ttyb0yhousetier?04:18
Treenakspr3ttyb0y: logging in once is enough :)04:18
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pr3ttyb0yno problem just trying this out04:18
pr3ttyb0yRobLInux is on my windows box (trillian irc)04:18
mercurusok, I understand that audio-CD auto-play is handled outside the gnome-cd player ... but what is the application that launches gnome-cd ? (as directed in Computer -> Desktop Preferneces -> Drives and Media Preferences) ... is this nautilus ?04:19
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mjrmercurus, gnome volume manager04:20
RoBLiNuX_Who here is a ubuntu expert?04:20
Treenaksmost people ;)04:20
RoBLiNuX_I want to know if Ubuntu is a good distro for newbies?04:21
RoBLiNuX_;004:21
shaveryeah, I think it is04:21
shaveras much as any Linux distribution is04:21
mjrRoBLiNuX, it's supposed to be, and it gets pretty far in actuality too04:21
RoBLiNuX_And if Ubuntu ok with a celeron 634mhz ? or it needs more requirements?04:21
RoBLiNuX_Thanks mjs, shaver04:21
TreenaksRoBLiNuX_: it works fine04:21
TreenaksRoBLiNuX_: you just told us :)04:22
RoBLiNuX_thanks treenaks!04:22
RoBLiNuX_lol04:22
RoBLiNuX_What are the requirements?04:22
RoBLiNuX_Because it might run well here but hopefully it doesnt get slow04:22
cardadorRoBLiNuX_: i have an 666 mhz celeron04:22
mjrRoBLiNuX_, you'll probably want at least 128 megs of memory to enjoy the desktop04:22
RoBLiNuX_I have 256mb sdram04:22
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mjrgood04:22
RoBLiNuX_:)04:22
cardadorRoBLiNuX_: i advice you to get 25604:22
mjrshouldn't be a problem then04:22
TreenaksI have 192, and it's usable, as long as I don't run openoffic04:23
Treenaksthat slows everything down to unusable..04:23
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theineTreenaks: how much RAM do you have?04:23
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Treenaks192M04:23
cardadorTreenaks: go for Abiword and Gnumeric :P04:24
Treenaksbut my new laptop (next month, just in time for the conference!) will have 51204:24
Treenakscardador: I'll settle for vim and LaTeX :P04:24
theineSo the bottleneck is the CPU when using OpenOffice?04:24
theineTreenaks: fantastic choice04:24
theineTreenaks: especially the editor :)04:24
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cardadorone thing that puzzles me is that microsoft office running on crossover office is much more quick to load than any linux office04:24
RoBLiNuX_cool ,  I'm 18yrs old new to linux, good with windows 4yrs + , want to learn linux and leave windows as much as possible , now where do I begin? I dont wanna ask every question I have here because I know only 1 out of a big group is not gonna get ticked off , so I would like to know where to learn , like installing, running, etc04:24
Treenaksmaarten: if you want Dutch support, try #ubuntu-nl :)04:25
TreenaksRoBLiNuX_: well.. just use it basically :)04:25
cardadorRoBLiNuX_: go to ubuntu homepage, the try the FAQ and Wiki, you should get almost every answer to your questions04:25
lhbTreenaks: iam sure you can tell openoffice to use less04:25
cardadorthe -> then04:25
TreenaksRoBLiNuX_: open a terminal (shell) and type 'man man' -- that'll give you the manual about manual reader :)04:25
RoBLiNuX_:) I like it because it comes with gaim, x-chat, mozilla firefox so it saved me from installing them ,04:25
RoBLiNuX_Thanks treenaks04:26
TreenaksRoBLiNuX_: you can go from there.. ldp.org maybe as well04:26
RoBLiNuX_I mean on my laptop here I have a few manuals on linux I downloaded so I'm gonna read them too04:26
housetierRoBLiNuX_ don't try to learn too much at once04:26
housetierRoBLiNuX_ take your time04:26
TreenaksRoBLiNuX_: doing it one step at a time is best, but knowing where to find "the next step" is important as well :)04:27
RoBLiNuX_:) yup04:27
RoBLiNuX_thanks housetier for the advice and treenaks!04:27
RoBLiNuX_You folks use window ?04:27
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mercurusmjr: thank you :)04:28
TreenaksRoBLiNuX_: I just use the standard Ubuntu installation (gnome) and Debian (www.debian.org)04:28
TreenaksRoBLiNuX_: no windows for me :)04:28
RoBLiNuX_treenaks you said for me to open terminal (shell) but in system tools it says root terminal or terminal04:29
TreenaksRoBLiNuX_: just the normal terminal04:29
RoBLiNuX_so i type man man04:31
WebMavenRoBLiNuX_, man <command> usually gives you instructions on using that command.04:32
RoBLiNuX_i typed man it says what manual page do you want?04:32
WebMavenRoBLiNuX_, so man man give syou instructions on using the man command.04:32
RoBLiNuX_oh yea lol04:32
WebMavendo you know how to get the list of files in a directory?04:33
RoBLiNuX_nope, im a newbie04:33
RoBLiNuX_I have like 10minutes I just started using it04:33
WebMavenwell, the command is ls04:33
RoBLiNuX_I dont even know how to configure my looking04:33
WebMavenso, you can see all the options by doing man ls04:33
RoBLiNuX_yea04:34
WebMavena common use is ls -al04:34
genhow do i edit sources.list04:34
AmaranthIs it possible for me to reinstall Ubuntu and have it not wipe out the partition that /home is mounted on?04:35
arun--Amaranth: i guess so,04:35
TreenaksAmaranth: yes, just select the "/home" partition, and say "don't format" in the partitioner04:35
Amaranthoh, cool04:35
Amaranthok, see you after i screw something up :P04:35
Amaranthor not, i lost the CD04:36
genhow do i edit sources.list :/04:36
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Amaranthgen: vim /etc/apt/sources.list04:36
WebMaven* WebMaven wait for the shipit shipment too.04:36
arun--will a pentium 266 MMX laptop like 5 years old, will it have acpi or apm?04:36
TreenaksAmaranth: it might have both04:36
Treenaksmy 4 year old laptop has ACPI04:36
theinearun--: I'd bet on apm04:37
genAmaranth: all i see is blue asterisks04:37
cardadorgen: nano /etc/apt/sources.list is easier :)04:37
cardadorvim is hard to understand for newbies (like me)04:37
RoBLiNuX_how do i change my fonts and stuff to be a lil bigger?04:37
cardadorRoBLiNuX_: computer > desktop pref > font04:38
TreenaksRoBLiNuX_: check the 'computer' menu, it has a "fonts" entry somewhere04:38
TreenaksRoBLiNuX_: you can set your fonts t here04:38
RoBLiNuX_just did it Thanks04:38
gencardador: thanks, that is easier :)04:38
RoBLiNuX_you cant use KDE here?04:38
cardadorgen: ;)04:38
TreenaksRoBLiNuX_: you can, but it's not really supported04:39
RoBLiNuX_no problem04:39
cardadorgen: even easier -> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list04:39
RoBLiNuX_So how long does it take for the average user to learn ubuntu?04:39
cardadorRoBLiNuX_: my girlfriend -> 5 minutes04:39
TreenaksRoBLiNuX_: depends on the user's willingness to learn and his/her general computer-savvyness04:39
cardadorRoBLiNuX_: it depends on what you want04:40
WebMavenRoBLiNuX_, depends on what you mean by 'learn'.04:40
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theineRoBLiNuX: depends on a lot of things...04:40
genwhen im in nano, after i edited, how do i save04:40
esotericctrl-x04:40
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genthank you esoteric04:41
theineisn't it crtl-o?04:41
chibifsctrl-x is close and save.04:41
RoBLiNuX_Well all my windows knowledge I want to have more knowledge in Linux, in windows I can do whatever I want (burn cds, download music, chat, listen to music, maintain it by defrag, antivirus, firewall, msconfig (Startup), spyware free, send/receive emails, etc04:41
theinewho uses nano anyway?04:41
chibifsNano owns. :P04:41
cardadorRoBLiNuX_: on linux you can skip the last things you said :)04:41
RoBLiNuX_spyware, antivirus, security ?04:42
Treenakscardador: well, except mail ;)04:42
esotericforget nano.. pico is where its at04:42
chibifsantivirus? spyware? defrag?04:42
TreenaksRoBLiNuX_: there is no spyware, almost no viruses, and defragging is pointless04:42
maximausI use nano because I'm too dense to learn anything else. :P04:42
TreenaksRoBLiNuX_: (uh, no virusses, basically)04:42
WebMavenRoBLiNuX_, you can forget about defragging.04:42
RoBLiNuX_treenaks, Thanks04:42
shaveryou'll wish you could defrag, perhaps04:42
Treenaksshaver: nah04:42
shaveroh, my, yes04:43
WebMavenshaver, why?04:43
shaverI worked on a high-performance filesystem for Linux for 2 years04:43
chibifsIs anyone using reiser4 yet? :o04:43
shaverwe ran (run) atop ext304:43
shaverfragmentation can hurt you04:43
shaverand it's hard to fix after initial allocation, with common tools04:43
RoBLiNuX_how about security like hackers? would you be at risk without no firewall? i hear linux doesnt have any problems like windows does, but just curious04:43
TreenaksRoBLiNuX_: by default, there are no open ports04:43
arun--ubuntu is closed by default04:44
chibifsHacking means something diffrent to linux, Rob.04:44
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RoBLiNuX_Thanks04:44
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TreenaksRoBLiNuX_: and if you keep up to date (subscribe to the security-announce mailinglist, see lists.ubuntu.com), crackers won't be able to do anything04:44
arun--but if you install some daemons like name server, ftp, email server, then ports will be open04:44
chibifshacking is debugging and improving upon software, patching security holes. :P04:44
arun--may be then you need a firewall04:44
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RoBLiNuX_so lets see go to www.grc.com and click on shields up then go down to shields up n see if you have open ports or not04:45
WebMavenRoBLiNuX_, there are plenty of firewalls avalibale, both to run as an end-user systema, and as a firewall for the rest of the nework.04:46
RoBLiNuX_i mean i will be connected via a router anyways in a few days04:46
chibifsRoBLiNuX_ - I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about security at all. Unless you're incredibly paranoid. I've never been damaged even on a completely open system.04:46
geni can't get vlc to install04:46
WebMavenRoBLiNuX_, so, you can take an otherwise underpowered old computer stick an extra $13 network-card in, and you have a corporate firewall for your network.04:46
RoBLiNuX_Well I ran a test and it said I have no open ports they are just closed04:47
pedruand i have never been kicked in the nuts in public04:47
genThe following packages have unmet dependencies:04:47
gen  gnome-vlc: Depends: vlc (= 0.7.0-0woody.4) but it is not going to be installedE: Broken packages04:47
pedrubut it could happen all the time :-)04:47
gensays this when i attempt04:47
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pedru@gen woody?04:47
genyes04:48
Rhymesi've messed up the sudoers file, and now i can't do anything that requires root authorization, can somebody help me? any ideas?04:48
gentried sudo apt-get install gnome-vlc libdvdcss204:48
pedru@gen: 1 sec please04:48
genok04:48
TreenaksRhymes: reboot in recovery mode04:48
TreenaksRhymes: then fix the sudoers file04:48
RoBLiNuX_WebMaven, i have my laptop is dsl/router + software firewall already i purchased a router no need for more but you know you never 100% nobody wants me anyways lol its just incase if I get trojans on windows or something wants to connect out or in or whenever im on a file sharing p2p prog04:48
RhymesTreenaks: ok thanks04:48
WebMavenRoBLiNuX_, here is some advice: Don't run as root. Sometimes desktop internet software (like XChat) can be vulnerable.04:48
TreenaksRhymes: next time, use visudo -- it won't let you mess up the sudoers file04:48
Rhymes:)04:48
pedru@gen: i got vlc installed...04:49
Rhymesi forgot a colon :(04:49
RoBLiNuX_no problem, im on my laptop trillian irc . i gotta play with my desktop first lol then i can log off trillian here and go on my desktop04:49
genhow pedru04:49
TreenaksRhymes: using visudo will catch that04:49
pedru@gen: maybe use another repository...04:49
Rhymesok thanks04:49
pedruwant my sources.list04:49
gensuch as04:49
genyes04:49
pedru1 sec please04:49
WebMavenpedru, so, do you want to add that missing experience?04:50
genpedru: not letting me accept04:50
pedrumwhat?04:50
theineOpenOffice Impress almost hangs for ever when starting up. Is there anybody having the same problem?04:50
pedrumaybe :-)04:50
WebMavenpedru, yes or no.04:51
genpedru: when i click accept, nothign04:51
RoBLiNuX_so how about cookies i dont see to check ask before accepting like i do on windows?04:51
pedru@WebMaven: i dont know what youre talking about04:51
pedru@gen: mhh...04:51
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pedruonce again...04:52
genstatus says connect04:52
pedrusame prob?04:52
genbut then nothing04:52
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pedruthx for not kicking me04:52
WebMavenno problem.04:52
WebMavenanytime.04:52
theineRoBLiNuX_: try to distibguish between operting system, webbrowser, kernel and so on...04:53
RoBLiNuX_theine, what youmean04:53
pedru@gen ... wait04:53
genok04:53
theineRoBLiNuX_: it's not windows asking you about cookies but internet explorer :)04:53
RoBLiNuX_true :)04:54
theineRoBLiNuX_: Forget it, don't take me too seriously04:54
RoBLiNuX_So yea do I need to be careful what cookies I accept ?04:54
TreenaksRoBLiNuX_: if you want to04:54
RoBLiNuX_or just leave it default since theres no problems with Linux itself? no spyware04:54
pedru@gen : http://www.pastebin.com/11792404:54
pedrui think youre missing multiverse04:55
RoBLiNuX_cookies > spyware thats why I have on block third party cookies on my IE and ask for first parties04:55
TreenaksRoBLiNuX_: yes, you can always change it later if you like04:55
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genyes was just universe04:55
agenteosomeone here knows about gnoppix? I'd like to download the image but I don't know what's the one: gnoppix_0.8.1.iso gnoppix_warty_0.8.2-RC2.iso (naaaa...) or warty-release-live-i386.iso04:55
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pedrugnoppix =  gnome based knoppix04:56
arun--any one using Hoary?04:56
RoBLiNuX_Treenaks, but my question is since you said theres no spyware in linux then I dont need to do that ask me for accepting cookies or not04:56
theineagenteo: go for the last one, it's not gnoppix though...04:56
pedrugnoppix-warty = gnoppix based ubuntu04:56
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TreenaksRoBLiNuX_: you still might want it ..04:56
theinearun--: I am04:56
ibtutenhi, I have a tech support question, if anybody minds answering04:57
pedrujust ask04:57
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RoBLiNuX_Treenaks, why if theres no so called spyware in linux? and the only reason why I ask for cookies to be accepted or blocked in IE is because cookies can be spyware04:57
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arun--theine: is it stable enuff?04:57
ibtutenk, I installed Windows alongside my Ubuntu partition, and now grub doesn't load on startup... how do I put it back as the default mbr loader04:57
genpedru: would it be safe to copy this one, and replace it with old04:57
geninstead of manually seeing what matches04:57
arun--i should ask, is it usable?04:58
ibtutenI'm on the live CD right now04:58
theinearun--: it didn't crash yet but there are a few glitches04:58
pedruyes it works but i suggest you only copy the multiverse line04:58
genok04:58
pedruyes it is :-)04:58
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theinearun--: most noticeable in my case the esd deamon seems to be fucked up and openoffice takes forever to start up04:58
pedru@ibtuten: okay... usually you install windows first...04:58
ibtutenpedru, true, but my Windows partition screwed up, so I had to reinstall04:59
pedruibtuten, you need to chroot in your system and setz the boot loader up04:59
arun--may be will install hoary on the pentium 266 MMX, but it has only 64 MB ram (it was huge in those days :) )04:59
theinearun--: both issues where not present in warty04:59
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ibtutenok, I don't know how to do that04:59
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theinearun--: you're going to need some patience for that...04:59
pedrumhh... use something like knoppix04:59
arun--theine: :) yeah, may be i will install it, and jump to blackbox, and see how it works05:00
agenteotheine: I just need a distro using gnome, I've read that "Gnoppix is a linux live cd based upon Ubuntu Linux." I'd like to find gnome 2.8 there05:00
genpedru: so "05:00
gendeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse" is the only thing i add?05:00
ibtutenhm, I can't do it from the ubuntu live cd? I have my linux partition mounted05:00
pedruibtuten, mount your linux filesystems and chroot in the directory05:00
pedrugoogle around a bit05:00
pedruanother possibility would be the r.i.p. disk05:01
RoBLiNuX_anyone downloads music on ubuntu? watches movies , dvds, downloaded mpeg , avi, etc?05:01
Matt|RoBLiNuX_, yes05:01
pedruRoBLiNuX_, yes05:01
ibtutenok05:01
pedruthere is a boot manager you can install05:01
theineagentoe: really? it's based on ubuntu?05:01
RoBLiNuX_I dont need no codecs ?05:01
pedruRoBLiNuX_, depends on what youre watching05:01
Matt|RoBLiNuX_, yeah you need the codecs.05:01
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RoBLiNuX_I will be watching all kinds of vids files (avi, mpeg, wav, etc)05:02
pedruwell you better get some codecs then05:02
Matt|RoBLiNuX_, you'll find a good guide here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats05:02
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Matt|btw the wiki in the topic is the old one: someone needs to update it05:03
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Matt|any ops here?05:03
RoBLiNuX_thanks matt05:04
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genpedro: thanks for the help, worked05:04
Matt|RoBLiNuX_, let us know if it doesn't work :)05:04
RoBLiNuX_let me try lol05:04
lemsx1hello all05:04
genMatt|: did you get the flash working?05:05
Matt|gen, nope am pretty sure there is no fix05:05
Matt|gen, at least for a non-geek like me05:05
cardadoranyone know an easy way to comunicate with a device on ttys0 (com1 on windows)?05:05
Matt|gen, you can install RC2 from source if you wanna working copy05:05
genyea05:05
Matt|gen, chip in on the bug if you like: i have the feeling mdz doesn't believe that it is a bug05:06
Matt|(3302)05:07
genpedru05:07
arun--goodnight05:09
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genhey guys05:11
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genhow do i put a file into the applications menu05:11
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu:Kamion] : : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/ || Wiki: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ || Lists: http://lists.ubuntu.com/ || Bugs: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ || warty is out, no X.org, please wait || Please don't paste in the channel, use http://www.pastebin.com/ or #flood || CDs will ship in a few weeks || offtopic discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic please
Kamion(diff: update wiki location, thanks Matt|)05:12
Matt|thanks Kamion05:12
Matt|:)05:12
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britt__hey all05:12
Matt|gen, right click inside the submenu where you want to add it, then select "whole menu", then add new item05:12
Matt|is xorg around yet?05:13
genWow, i'm an idiot05:13
genthanks matt05:13
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pedruis xorg around yet?05:15
Matt|*laughs*05:15
fabbionein one or 2 days05:15
pedruyes 6.805:15
Matt|weeeeeeee05:15
ibtutenhm, ok, I'm in the grub command line, and when I type "root (" and hit tab, it doesn't show any drives...05:15
Matt|thanks fabbione05:15
pedruwhy weeeeeeeeee05:15
Matt|i am happy05:15
pedruits not that different05:15
mAIJKIs GNOME faster than KDE running on an PIII650 Laptop ?05:15
Matt|pedru, it is for me05:15
Matt|fabbione, thanks for the hard work05:16
pedruin which aspects...05:16
britt__KDE is pretty bulky05:16
Matt|pedru, 3d acceleration is supported on my video chip05:16
fabbioneMatt|: it's not only me working on it05:16
pedruwhich one?05:16
Matt|fabbione, i know but I've said thanks to daniels already :)05:16
mAIJKbulky = ?05:16
Matt|pedru, ATI IGP 340M05:16
Matt|mAIJK, not sure05:17
pedruwell... then i understand the weeeeeee05:17
pedru:--)05:17
Matt|mAIJK, if you want someone real fast then try a stripped down window manager like icewm05:17
Matt|pedru, :)05:17
ryantwm!05:17
pedrumy laptop's got an s3 prosavage ddr... :-(((05:17
mAIJKokey, Is it easy too use?05:17
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cardadormAIJK: the easiest is XFCE405:18
|progenic|excuse me, is xine player can play ram/rmbv/rm file ?05:18
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Matt|mAIJK, quite easy, but you have to read a few help documents if you want to design everything yourself (menus, toolbar etc)05:18
mAIJKokay05:18
|progenic|or what should i install to make it run on linux05:18
Matt|xfce is not exactly minimal05:18
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pedrurealplayer progenic05:18
mAIJKI want it to bee fast and not to complicate05:18
pedruor the codecs05:19
Matt||progenic|, i can play ram streams on totem-xine without realplayer05:19
Cuga_Hey, I have a mysql question that the guys in mysql are ignoring, probably something obvious but i can't think of it, any mysql admins here?05:19
Matt||progenic|, i _think_ w32codecs is enough05:19
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Matt|mAIJK, icewm is very easy: it looks a bit like windows 95, and you can install a few themes05:20
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cardadorMatt|: i've read somewhere that xfce4 is as fast as fluxbox05:20
netmonkanyone with a notebook and working acpi and advice for me? ;)05:20
housetierI could make twm as slow as e17... :)05:20
mAIJKok, what is XFCE?05:20
Matt|mAIJK, another option05:20
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Matt|netmonk, shoot05:20
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cardadormAIJK: http://www.xfce.org/05:22
|progenic|ic05:22
|progenic|w32codecs can make my xine to play that file ?05:22
Matt||progenic|, i think so05:22
netmonkMatt|: I can't get my toshiba to suspend, any ideas05:22
Matt||progenic|, i can only tell you it is working alright with totem-xine on my machine, and I don't have realplayer installed05:23
Matt|netmonk, have you tried a few things? If so have a look for a bug :(05:23
mAIJKIs CFCE and ICEWM on the ubuntu CD?05:23
|progenic|ok thx05:23
Matt|mAIJK, no but you can download and install them automatically05:23
mAIJKok, Have been installing GENTOO in 2days, but now when that is finished I install ubuntu instead :)05:24
mAIJKAre you happy with ubuntu ?05:24
Matt|yeah quite happy05:24
zenwhenhis all05:25
zenwhenhi*05:25
netmonkMatt|: I was with SuSE and was able to set few things up through a file called powersave.conf but with Ubuntu I don't have such file05:25
zenwhencollddd05:25
|progenic|Matt|, can't find w32codecs on my apt-get05:25
Matt||progenic|, you need to add some repositories05:25
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Matt||progenic|, have a look at the wiki page, you can find the address in the topic to this channel: and search for the RestrictedFormats wiki05:26
Matt|netmonk, i've never tried to get suspend working i'm afraid. can't help ya05:26
Matt|netmonk, have a look in /etc/acpi/05:27
netmonkMatt|:10x05:27
Matt|and /or /etc/acpi/events05:27
Lenny1729How can I get my old isa soundcard working under ubuntu? isapnp is not in synaptic05:27
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kentmy brother has a usb-modem (Topcom webracer 850) that needs the eciadsl drivers to work. I see that Ubuntu has them, but can some one tell me if Ubuntu will configure the modem on the fly, or do he have to configure it him self? it seems kind of tricky to configure eciadsl :(05:28
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jpvcxLenny1729 do you have universe enabled?05:30
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mAIJKDoes anyone knows if umbuntu have support for USB-WLAN stick ?05:36
[mirak] bob2, you around???05:36
[mirak] or any canocial employees around?05:37
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|progenic|controllable canonical form hahaha just study it for exam :P05:37
Kamion[mirak] : what do you need an employee in particular for?05:37
[mirak] I was wondering if gnoppix is a canocial project now, or if it just "based" on ubuntu, gnoppix has canocial info on there site05:38
Kamion[mirak] : we have some kind of agreement with them, and we employ one of their lead developers05:39
nosilver4uany idea if it's possible to reset your postgresql password without knowing the current one?05:40
[mirak] kamion, so that is a "kinda"05:40
Lenny1729Is it possible to update ubunto from one major release to the another?05:40
Matt|Lenny1729, yes although there has so far been just 1 release05:41
AmaranthUm.05:41
Kamion[mirak] : right, but also I don't know the exact status05:41
AmaranthThe Ubuntu installer didn't let me choose a root password.05:41
shaveruse sudo05:41
KamionAmaranth: yes, and it should have told you that on the first screen after reboot.05:41
nosilver4unm05:41
shaver(it says that during the install, no?)05:41
mercurusI've just started working on a Multimedia HOWTO on the Wiki ... could people have a look over it, and see if there is anything not listed on the draft contents that they would like added ? if so, comment :)05:41
KamionAmaranth: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root05:41
Matt|Amaranth, that is correct: have a browse to the FAQ listed in the topic, and you can see05:41
[mirak] kamion, kk thank you05:42
AmaranthMatt|: I can't, I'm not even sure how I got here.05:42
Matt|^^ what he said05:42
AmaranthMy /etc/resolv.conf is screwed.05:42
Amaranthsudo works though05:42
Matt|Amaranth, oh i c05:42
diemanim surprised at how well FAI works with ubuntu once you add in udev and hotplug :)05:42
Matt|Amaranth, just try deleting your resolv.conf (back it up) and restart your network05:42
AmaranthMatt|: It's a configuration problem. It thinks I have a network or something.05:43
AmaranthTrying to search a domain.05:43
AmaranthAnyway, I have it fixed now.05:43
Matt|k05:44
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weasell1how do I enable the Root user in ubuntu? and then, how do I disable it again? :)05:51
Matt|weasell1, you don't really need to enable it: you can use sudo to gain root privileges05:51
danielsum, just use sudo05:51
Matt|heya daniels05:51
weasell1nope, need root for this05:51
Matt|weasell1, sudo gives you full root privileges05:51
Matt|what is it you want to do?05:52
weasell1I need to login to webmin for the first time using roto username/pass which resolve to nothing unless the user is active05:52
nonajmeweasell1: but, if you want a root account you can type sudo passwd root05:52
weasell1roto/root05:52
ryanweasell1: do this: sudo sh05:52
Matt|weasell1, you can press sudo -s05:52
Matt|yeah either of those05:52
ryanor what matt said ;)05:52
Matt|what he said05:52
Matt|:p05:53
weasell1none of that helps because I'm not in a terminal window, I'm on a machine far, far away and I'm logging in through a user: pass: field in an html browser window05:53
Kamionhang on, webmin actually wants your root password over *HTTP authentication*?05:53
KamionIsn't that thoroughly, absurdly dangerous, and isn't there some other way to do it?05:54
Matt|*laughs*05:54
Kamionlike, designating some webmin-specific username/password pair05:54
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weasell1kamion: it's a defect of the ubuntu install process aparantly. If you use synaptic it defaults to root which you can then login and change. If you install the tarball manually (which I'm too newbish to do) then it asks you for a name/pass to use05:54
Kamiona defect of the *Ubuntu* installation process?05:55
Kamionor do you mean the webmin package?05:55
Matt|weasell1, is that a ubuntu base package?05:55
Matt|if it is, filea bug05:55
danielsMatt|: hey dude05:55
weasell1*rolls eyes* either way, is it possible to do this, or am I SOL on the whole deal?05:55
Kamionno, webmin's in universe05:55
Kamionweasell1: I care about the distinction because I'm responsible for the Ubuntu installer :P05:56
Matt|weasell1, yes you can enable the root account, but it would be cool to file the bug too, if it is universe then maybe you can file the bug to debian05:56
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Matt|nonajme said how to enable the root account05:56
Matt|^^05:57
weasell1Kam: well then, you're just plain justified in asking, aren't you :P I have no idea who's fault it is though. I just installed linux yesterday05:57
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diemanits too bad hotplug doesn't go after scsi and ide busses, it seems05:57
diemanoh well05:57
diemantime to write up a small shell script to deal with discover1, probally replicating some part of d-i05:57
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Kamionweasell1: webmin's password file lives in /etc/webmin/miniserv.users, apparently05:58
SuperQdieman: hrm05:58
pilleis there an easy way to install eclipse?05:58
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Kamionweasell1: if webmin's your *only* way to access the machine for now, I'm afraid you're SOL until you can log in properly and edit /etc/webmin/miniserv.users to add a more sensible user05:59
Matt|he could enable the root account no?05:59
KamionMatt|: not if he can only access the machine using webmin, he can't06:00
drakonimif its a recent version of webmin there should be an item for launching a console06:00
Kamion16:53 < weasell1> none of that helps because I'm not in a terminal window, I'm on a machine far, far away and I'm logging in through a user: pass: field in an html browser window06:00
Kamiondrakonim: not if he can't log into webmin06:00
drakonimKamion, thats what i get for bumping into a convo halfway throuhg :-D06:00
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weasell1ok I was able to find the password file. Added an entry [name] :[pass] , which I then saved and restarted webmin. says invalid user/pass on the login site06:03
Kamionthe password isn't cleartext in that file06:03
Kamionit's crypted in the same way as /etc/passwd entries06:03
weasell1crap. time to walk all the way back to the machine again :)06:03
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Kamionsimplest way might be to copy the password block from an entry in /etc/shadow whose password you know.06:03
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weasell1You'll like this: can I leave it blank? :06:04
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Kamionweasell1: don't think that's valid ...06:04
Matt|weasell1, how are you accessing the machine to change the password?06:06
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weasell1matt: I'm taking an elevator down two floors06:07
Perchm06:07
Perca question06:07
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PercI just installed the new ubuntu, and firefox can't look up server names06:07
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Percit works in the console (host, ping etc)06:07
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weasell1Kam: neat, copying password block from shadow worked. that was cool. But now the username I typed in has no access ("only user 'root' has access to this [, the main]  menu")06:08
LinuxJonesPerc, maybe it is jsut taking a very long time ?06:08
Matt|Perc, you can ping server names?06:09
Percyes I can06:09
Matt|weird06:09
pedru_06:09
Perclookups using "host" is instant06:09
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Matt|Perc, have you updated the install?06:09
Percso far no06:10
nickersis there anyone who has played with ACPI/SUSP in here?06:10
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pedruPerc, try something else ftp, or alternate brwoser (links)06:10
Matt|Perc, you will find that if you do, firefox will revert to 0.9.306:10
Matt|Perc, they had a lot of bugs with 0.10pR06:10
Perchm06:10
Matt|Perc, maybe this is one of em06:10
PercWTF06:10
Percmy wifi card seems to work out of the box06:11
Percso far I'm impressed06:11
Matt|Perc, well that is compensation :)06:11
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Percbrb06:11
LinuxJonesPerc, there was a problem with ipv6 support loaded by default. It caused very slow dns resolution with Mozilla.06:11
dredgsolution 1: implement ipv6 on your network06:12
dredgsolution 2: stop the module from loading06:12
dredgi covered 2 on ubuntu-users last week or the week before06:13
Matt|dredg, stick it in the wiki?06:13
zenwhenDoes anyone have K3B working and burning audio CD's in Ubuntu? I have Kernel 2.6.9 installed so I am not dealing with the 2.6.8.1 issue. I just cant get it to begin a burn.06:13
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ficusplanetzenwhen, It works for me, but I don't think I can be of much help - it just worked.06:14
dredgin short: edit /etc/modprobe.d/aliases06:14
dredgfind the line 'alias net-pf-10 ipv6'06:14
dredgchange 'ipv6' to 'off'06:14
dredgreboot06:14
zenwhenOh06:14
zenwhenI installed it and it just doesnt work.06:14
zenwhenIm not sure I'll be able to stick with ubuntu if I cant get k3b working. :/ Im going to kep trying though.06:15
PercMatt|, firefox seems to be 0.9.306:16
Tsjoklatezenwhen did you read the howto on the ubu site?06:16
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Matt|Perc, your answer is by dredg above ^^06:16
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zenwhenyes06:16
Tsjoklatethere are some special things you have to do to get k3b to work06:16
kagouhi06:16
zenwhenis there a GOOD howto?06:16
RoBLiNuXMy ubuntu takes like 5minutes to start up why?06:16
PercMatt|, thanks :)06:16
zenwhenI just saw some crap about logging in and k3b.06:17
Tsjoklatetried the forums too?06:17
RoBLiNuXBefore it reaches the login screen, it stays in the black n white screen loading stuff and takes long06:17
Tsjoklatehttp://ubuntuforums.org06:17
dredgi'll chuck it into the wiki later :)06:17
LinuxJonesRoBLiNuX, what kind of system are you running, ie ram processor ?06:17
Matt|RoBLiNuX, this is normal06:17
RoBLiNuXCeleron 634mhz, 256mb sdram06:17
RoBLiNuXOk Matt just thought it was weird06:17
dredgi'd love to know why ipv6 is loaded by default on 2.6 though06:17
LinuxJonesRoBLiNuX, that's a pretty crappy processor there but it shouldn't take 5 minutes06:18
TsjoklateI would look for you zenwhen but my modem is crapping out06:18
pedrupretty slow machine06:18
diemanheh06:18
diemanand i feel like the xp 1800+ im on is slow06:18
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diemanlittle intel space heater.06:19
zenwhenI cant find it.06:19
Kamiondredg: better that it be loaded by default and get out of the way of those who don't need it, than for those who do need it to have to scrabble around wondering why things don't work06:19
zenwhenI know someone said there was a HOWTO... but the one I found has NOTHING about gertting K3B working.06:19
Kamiondredg: if it isn't getting out of your way, then we want to fix that rather than just nuking ipv606:19
zenwhenIt just says some stuff about logging in after setting it up.06:19
dredgKamion: i agree.06:19
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dredgKamion: im not really in a position to test though. i use ipv6 :)06:20
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RoBLiNuXyea my pc sucks but it would be a better use to do with linux than anything else thats why I asked if my system was ok to run with ubuntu , because maybe ubutn needed more requirements06:20
LinuxJonesRoBLiNuX, disable all unnecessary services that you don't need, it will help you boottime quite a bit. Check to see if DMA is enabled on your disk as well.06:20
dredgbut yes. if it doesnt get an ipv6 address either from a route advertiser or as assigned manually, ipv6 shouldnt attempt connections anywhere06:21
Matt|RoBLiNuX, don't delete anything vital :)06:21
RoBLiNuXLinuxJones, no problem and how do i get to disable those services?06:21
RoBLiNuX:)06:21
dredgthe problem is though, if you have v6 loaded and $site has AAAA records, apps that are v6 enabled will attempt to connect to those first06:21
Kamiondredg: yeah, that one's a hassle06:22
dredgso i'm actually of the opinion that if you dont use ipv6, you shouldnt be loading ipv606:22
sjoerddredg: and the get E_NOROUTE immediatly, so there should be no delay06:22
dredgsjoerd: true..06:22
Kamiondredg: the problem comes when you have a broken IPv6 setup, not when you have a usable but unconfigured IPv6 setup06:22
LinuxJonesRoBLiNuX, first you can see what services you are running by doing lsof -i (in the sudo -s console)06:23
Tsjoklatebrb06:23
mAIJKIm going to install XFCE, is it xfce-4.1.91-rpm-rh9.tar.bz2 I should download?06:24
Matt|mAIJK, nope06:24
Matt|mAIJK, use synaptic06:24
[mirak] maijk, xfce4 is apt-getable06:24
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mAIJKMatt| aha!06:24
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mAIJKjust finished my installation of ubuntu, i like what I see! ;)06:25
nickersMatt|, is the newest xfce beta in there?06:25
Matt|nickers, unlikely06:25
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mtlwhat file i need to edit to start gnome+fluxbox instead gnome+metacity?06:26
mAIJKUnder wich section do I find ICEWM & XFCE ?06:27
Matt|mtl, check out gconf-editor06:27
Matt|mtl, in applications --> system tools --> configuration editor06:27
Perchm06:27
mjrmtl, the window manager is just yet another program started in the session06:27
Percthe wlan card seems to be almost working06:27
zenwhenoh06:27
zenwhenI fixed k3b06:28
kingsleyA draft of a graph that shows the best data compression algorithms for network data transfers with various hardwares is at http://www.nas.com/~change/private/best_compressors_for_networking.png. Comments welcome.06:28
sand0rIs anyone here familiar with this error ... "dircolors: no SHELL environment variable, and no shell type option given" ?06:28
zenwhenI needed to update cdrecord06:28
mjrfrom preferences/sessions, turn autorestart for metacity off, kill metacity, start fluxbox, save session06:28
zenwhenlol06:28
mjrthat should basically work06:28
Matt|mtl, if you want it everytime: go to the configuration editor, and then follow desktop -> gnome -> applications -> window manager to change it06:29
mjrMatt|, I don't think that really works anymore06:29
mjrbut I might be wrong; sure, give it a shot06:30
Matt|mjr, oh. it is still there!06:30
mjryes, it is06:30
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sand0r "dircolors: no SHELL environment variable, and no shell type option given" Where do I need to fix this?06:32
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dredgactually, if someone is having problems due to ipv6 being loaded, i'd love to see the output of 'ip -6 addr' and 'ip -6 route show'06:33
Amaranthparaphrasing this error message, i can't remember exactly what it said: EXT_fs : something somthing start_transaction: Journal aborted06:33
Amaranthi just got that on a tty dumped over and over again06:34
Amaranthhad to reboot06:34
kilHello, I'm searching about activate alsa in Hoary on my notebook. pci=noacpi recognize by Warty but not by Hoary.06:35
mAIJKHittar intew ICEWM i Synaptic :(06:37
Matt|mAIJK, you may have to add the universe repository. have a look in the settings under repository06:38
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mtlblah... I cannot get fluxbox to run everytime :(06:39
mAIJKfound it ;)06:39
mAIJKShould I install ICEWM only?06:39
mAIJKIt's alot of files06:39
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jamaasIs there an award for most obscure question of the day/week ??  ;)06:40
LinuxJonesjamaas, we can start one :)06:41
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jamaasLinuxJones: Great idea but just to warn you, the rest of you don't have a chance ... I can dig em up from places you wouldn't even dream of  ... :-!06:43
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LinuxJonesjamaas, heh06:45
jamaasHere goes, I'm trying to compile a new version of gnome, and it is looking for openldap-dev and yet I, in my novice ignorance, can't find such a critter for Debian/Ubuntu, what have I missed ...06:46
kilquelqu'un parle francais ici ?06:46
Matt|kil: /cs list #ubuntu*06:46
LinuxJonesjamaas, firstly why are you compiling your own version of Gnome ?06:46
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Tufekhi everyone..i have a question...how can i something donwload and install with apt-get on ubuntu ? for example i would like amsn ...06:46
Matt|Tufek, apt-get install amsn06:47
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jamaasUhmmm... Its my idea of fun .... ???  Are you guys going to hurt me ??  I kinda like what Garnome are doing06:47
sand0r "dircolors: no SHELL environment variable, and no shell type option given" Where do I need to fix this?06:47
TufekMatt|, i tried but give the like that Reading Package Lists... Done06:47
TufekBuilding Dependency Tree... Done06:47
TufekE: Couldn't find package amsn06:47
Matt|Tufek, try using synaptic, and opening the universe repository in the settings06:48
LinuxJonesjamaas, try installing libldap2-dev06:48
TufekMatt|, sorry i dont know how do u explain me please ?06:49
jamaasLinuxJones: It doesn't show up for me in synaptic, where might it be hidden ?06:49
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Matt|Tufek, sure. Open the package manager (synaptic) by going to Computer --> System --> Synaptic06:49
LinuxJonesjamaas, you probably have to add the universe repository06:49
Matt|Tufek, then go to settings, repositories, and add the universe repository06:49
jamaasLinuxJones: I have and don't find it there ... :-(06:50
TufekMatt|, ok thanks a lot i`m going to trying now :)06:50
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smunrofolks, where do I set shell environments for root. dircolors is crying in pain.06:50
LinuxJonesjamaas, did you do an update of the repositories ?06:50
kentWhen a friend installed Ubuntu on is laptop, he could not see more than the grub-thing. He sais that the harddisk is still loading, so perhaps its some problem with framebuffer or something like that? Can some one tell me if there is something i could try to make it work?06:50
LinuxJonesjamaas, apt-get update or in Synaptic click the reload button06:50
jamaasLinuxJones: now there's a good question, not in the last couple of days but will now, back in a minute, thanks06:51
jamaasTufek: Matt is good at this stuff, lucky you!06:51
Matt|?06:52
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ficusplanetWhat is the name of the icon used for the About Ubuntu... launcher?06:52
TufekMatt|, ok i fount settings, repositories but how add the universe repository is?06:53
Matt|Tufek, it should be in the list, you can activate it06:53
TufekMatt|, ok thanks again :)06:54
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smunrotap tap06:55
Matt|smunro, sup?06:55
smunroCan you help me fix this error ?   "dircolors: no SHELL environment variable, and no shell type option given"06:55
Matt|no06:56
Matt|:(06:56
Matt|otherwise we would have said something06:56
Matt|sorry!06:56
smunrothanks for answering.06:56
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Matt|ty ;)06:56
Matt|keep asking later though someone else might know how to help you06:57
Matt|what are you doin?06:57
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smunrofooled around in /etc/shadow and ending up really messing up root authentication. got it fixed (mostly) but now opening a root terminal cries with that dircolors message06:57
smunrowhat am I doin? learning by screwing stuff up.06:58
Matt|the only way :)06:58
umarmungsmunro, maybe some messed up variable in .bash_profile ?06:58
smunroin /root ?06:59
smunroor in my users home?06:59
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umarmungsmunro, the one you login with07:00
bagpussis there some sort of extra magic I have to do to persuade gnome-volume-manager to automount a CD/DVD on insert?07:01
jamaasLinuxJones: Still digging and don't find open-ldap-dev   or anything for that matter that is ldap except something from sourceforge and I don't think its that one!?07:01
bagpussit's ticked in the settings thing, but totally fails to work07:01
umarmungsmunro, cp /etc/skel/.bash* ~07:01
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smunroumarmung, nailed it. ty07:02
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umarmung:)07:02
mjrbag, it needs to be in fstab07:03
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bagpussmjr: hmm07:03
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bagpussgrr, copy and paste aren't workiong either :(07:04
kentdo some one know why a friend who recently installed Ubuntu on his laptop only gets to the stage where grub loads. Then nothing happens :(  What could be the problem? He installed it on a non-laptop computor also, and it works there.  :(07:05
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bagpussmjr: what would the line in fstab look like?  There's  an fstab line for /dev/hdc to mount it to /medcia/cdrom007:05
LinuxJonesjamaas, are you running warty or hoary07:05
bagpuss /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  007:06
mjrwell that should probably do it07:06
jamaasLinuxJones: warty07:06
mjrare you in the plugdev group?07:07
bagpusswell, it fails to work :(07:07
LinuxJonesjamaas, you don't have the universe repository enabled07:07
bagpussmjr: yes07:07
jamaasLinuxJones: thought I did, how can I make sure ..07:07
bagpussgroups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),103(plugdev),107(lpadmin),108(scanner),1000(andy)07:08
LinuxJonesjamaas, easiest is to run synaptic then >> settings >>reposiroties07:08
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jamaasLinuxJones: I think you got me, how do I add universe?07:09
bagpussit also fails to play a DVD when insertes...again, ticked in properties :(07:09
LinuxJonesjamaas, click the ubuntu repsoitory (that has main in the section)  add the sections to look like this >> main restricted universe07:10
Kamionjamaas: libldap2-dev is in warty main; you shouldn't need universe for that07:10
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Kamionjamaas: it's not on the CD, though, so make sure you have the network repositories enabled07:10
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KamionLinuxJones: shouldn't be necessary for GNOME!07:11
LinuxJonesjamaas, there you go07:11
KamionLinuxJones: think about it: we build GNOME for Ubuntu using what's in main07:11
LinuxJonesKamion, I just assumed it was in there because he couldn't install it via apt07:11
Kamionalways best to check first07:11
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Kamionuniverse's unsupported nature means it's best only to use it when it's necessary07:12
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xuzohi07:13
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merlin0hello07:13
xuzoi got a sugestion about gnome-panel07:13
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Amaranthxuzo: The Ubuntu folks didn't create GNOME. :)07:14
LinuxJonesKamion, he wan't to compile gnome for something to do, using Garanome07:14
xuzoAmaranth: yes, i know07:14
xuzobut i think ubuntu can fix this issue07:14
KamionLinuxJones: yes, I read that07:14
LinuxJonesKamion, but I understand you point thanks07:14
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Amaranthxuzo: What's the issue?07:14
paowhere do I set up gnome theme colors?07:14
Amaranthahh, they took the funny message out of About Panels07:15
xuzoAmaranth: click on panel to give keyboard focus07:15
jamaasLinuxJones: Kamion I'm thrilled for the help really but you guys go so fast yo loose where am I now .. I do have universe installed07:15
xuzoand press the keybinding for toggle maximize state07:15
Amaranthin 2.6 (or 2.5, i can't remember) it said it was responsible for random system crashes07:15
xuzothe panel "unmaximizes"07:15
Kamionjamaas: bring up a terminal, type 'sudo apt-get install libldap2-dev', tell me what happens07:15
xuzoand positions of all elements on it are lost07:15
Kamionjamaas: you don't need universe, best to revert that change I think07:16
jamaasKamion: deal!07:16
paoI must get rid of brown :-)07:16
Amaranthxuzo: It doesn't here.07:16
Kamionjamaas: (shouldn't need it for this, anyway)07:16
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Amaranthpao: Computer>Desktop Preferences>Theme07:16
xuzoAmaranth: sorry i'm not a native english speaker, i dont undestand you :(07:16
Amaranthpao: I'd suggest Industrial.07:17
Amaranthxuzo: The panel doesn't "unmaximize" for me.07:17
xuzommm07:17
paoAmaranth: I've tried... but there's no way to choose colors....07:17
AmaranthTry Menus and Toolbars07:18
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paoAmaranth, no way... :-(07:18
jamaasKamion:  Uhmmm... it installed it ... just like you thought it would..... but LinuxJones was getting there... honest!  I'll try the compile now and see if it is happier ... thanks guys07:18
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LinuxJonesjamaas, GL :)07:19
xuzoAmaranth: xuzo@freya:~$ gconftool-2 -g /apps/metacity/window_keybindings/toggle_maximized07:19
xuzo<Alt>Return07:19
paobrown sucks :-)07:19
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xuzowhen I press <Alt>Return the panel unmaximizes07:19
SmokingFireis there a mplayer entry in the faq or wiki?07:19
xuzogot you some value for this binding?07:19
AmaranthEXT3-fs error (device hda6) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted <--!!!!!!!!!!07:19
AmaranthWTF07:19
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Amaranthxuzo: That doesn't "unmaximize" the panel for me.07:20
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xuzoAmaranth: ok, thanks. It will try to find why this appends07:21
kentis the eciadsl package in the main? that is, on the cdrom?07:21
paoHas anyone succeded in throwing away that brown color from the theme?07:21
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Kamionjamaas: curious why it wasn't findable in synaptic, but that should get you going, anyway07:22
Amaranthpao: I have.07:22
Amaranthpao: I changed the Theme and the desktop background.07:23
merlin0pao: you can love it if you install november calendar07:23
paoAmaranth, but you didn't specify the exact color, right?07:23
Amaranthnope07:23
schifoguys, i just compiled my kernel, and did make; make modules_install; do i have to do anything else now?07:23
Amaranthit "Just Works"07:23
paomerlin0, :-)07:23
merlin0i love that brown girl!!07:23
Kamionjamaas: (yeah, not beating on LinuxJones or anything)07:24
paomerlin0, I'm waiting also for the white girl... :-)07:24
LinuxJonesKamion, hey :)07:24
Percso far ubuntu is pretty impressive07:24
Percit found both the touchpad and an external usb mouse when I plugged it in, sound works directly07:24
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paoPerc, ubuntu: debian on steroids :-)07:24
Percyep07:24
GnuHippystill no x.org?07:24
Percand it's nice considering debian has software from the second world war07:24
schifoevery distribution finds touchpads and usb mice07:25
AmaranthGnuHippy: Not until April 2005.07:25
bagpussit's *fairly* impressive...there are a few niggles, but I imagine they'll all be fixed for the next one :)07:25
LinuxJonesGnuHippy, your from Nova Scotia too :D07:25
fabbionex.org will be in hoary either tomorrow07:25
paoPerc, that's way so many people run testing or unstable...07:25
fabbioneor in 2 days from now07:25
Amaranthfabbione: Sure, if you like random system crashes. :P07:25
schifofabbione, i just compiled my kernel, and did make; make modules_install; do i have to do anything else now?07:25
GnuHippyit will be fabbi?07:25
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fabbioneAmaranth: it will for testing/unstable07:26
fruscianteI get no sound when playing MOV-files. I have tried with XINE and VLC. MPlayer doesn?t work.07:26
fabbioneGnuHippy: yes.07:26
paobagpuss, which niggles?07:26
GnuHippyI noticed all the dependancies are on the repository now for it07:26
fabbioneschifo: sorry. i have only one minute and i am leaving, but it looks ok07:26
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GnuHippyI'm trying to roll my own07:26
fabbioneschifo: check your grub config and you are done07:26
fabbioneGnuHippy: the dependencies were always there07:27
paoI say bye to everyone... a BROWN bye :-)07:27
bagpusspao: gnome-volume manager not working properly.  mozilla being unstable and randomly crashing (although it does that *anyway*, so not ubuntu's fault).  That **HORRIBLE** default brown background...the list goes on07:27
GnuHippynot all of them07:27
fabbioneyes all of them07:27
paobagpuss, if you manage to change the brown color from theme let me know... :-)07:27
GnuHippylibpng-dev wasn't07:27
bagpusspao: oh, I change it...first thing I did07:28
fabbioneGnuHippy: that's because you probably miss a few tons of patches that we have07:28
paobagpuss, how did you do it?07:28
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fruscianteYear, the brown background sucks :)07:28
paoI'm trying to change the color of window title bar...07:28
KamionGnuHippy: it's not libpng-dev, it's libpng<some number>-dev07:28
GnuHippy1207:28
GnuHippyI know07:28
KamionGnuHippy: libpng12-dev is definitely in warty07:29
paobagpuss, I'm trying to change the color of window title bar... without change the theme07:29
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Kamionhas been forever07:29
bagpusspao: ah, I hadn't ghotten around to that yet07:29
bagpussI'm still trying to persuade gnome-volume-manager to work07:29
bagpussdidn't someone say that a version of warty with KDE the default was forthcoming?07:30
Kamionbagpuss: only if a community group gets together and does it07:30
paobagpuss, My volume manager works perfectly....07:30
Kamionbagpuss: it won't be something Canonical does07:30
bagpussI'd be far happier to install that for people (mostly because I actually know my way around KDE...gnome I'm mostly groping in the dark)<