[12:00] <mdz> sladen: that page was migrated to https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CPUFreqModuleLoading
[12:00] <Matt|> [mirak] , you have to specify the file name of the package you want to install with dpkg -i
[12:00] <ogra> ben_: yep...(without the colons)
[12:00] <[mirak] > ogra, i did ls to be sure im in the right directory.....and i coppied the name of the package from rename to be sure it is right
[12:00] <ben_> k
[12:00] <mdz> sladen: by the way, are you still interested in usplash development?
[12:00] <[mirak] > Matt|, i did
[12:00] <Matt|> [mirak] , use the tab button to complete the name of the file. If you can't get it, you're in the wrong directory
[12:00] <ogra> [mirak] : try ./ in front of the pkg name
[12:01] <ogra> [mirak] : no spaces
[12:01] <[mirak] > ogra, kk i will
[12:01] <[mirak] > ogra, same thing
[12:01] <chuck__> im pretty new to ubuntu and to change my dvdrecorder to DMA ive tried using hdparm and it wont let me
[12:01] <[mirak] > ogra, can i just rename it to like.... "test.deb"......and do it that way
[12:02] <chuck__> how do i do it?
[12:02] <ogra> [mirak] : dunno, never tried....
[12:02] <Zimpee> help me pls...
[12:02] <Zimpee> where can i set globally, which sound module gnome must use?
[12:02] <[mirak] > ogra, well, ill be the pig
[12:02] <ogra> chuck: with sudo
[12:03] <chuck__> sudo hdparm?
[12:03] <ogra> chuck: hdparm needs to run with admin rights
[12:03] <ogra> chuck: yep
[12:03] <[mirak] > ogra, No packages found matching test.deb.      why deos it add that extra "." at the end?
[12:04] <Zimpee> hey!!! i am here, with questions, why don't you answer me?
[12:04] <[mirak] > ogra, it did that with the original name as well
[12:04] <chuck__> it still gives me an error
[12:04] <ogra> chuck: what exactly do you type ?
[12:04] <chuck__> sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[12:05] <chuck__> it sets it to on then turns it off
[12:05] <ogra> [mirak] : you are surely using dpkg ? not apt-get ?
[12:05] <sladen> ben_ / Matt|: did you figure out which  module could be loaded, and if so can you me so that I can add your results
[12:05] <VR^> can i use kde with ubuntu?
[12:05] <ben_> didn't work :p
[12:05] <[mirak] > ogra, sudo dpkg -l test.deb
[12:05] <Zimpee> VR^: yes:)
[12:05] <ben_> cpufreq: failed to something state_2 something 0
[12:06] <ogra> [mirak] : not L its a small i
[12:06] <Matt|> sladen, no i don't know how to figure it out
[12:06] <VR^> does kde come with the new release? i think i read somewhere that gnome is the default gui or something
[12:06] <fwebby> whats some good burning software for gnome that supports bin/cue?
[12:06] <[mirak] > ogra, well that is the problem then
[12:06] <sladen> Matt|:  grep name /proc/cpuinfo
[12:06] <[mirak] > ogra, thnx
[12:06] <Zimpee> gnome is default, you have to get kde manually VR^
[12:06] <VR^> Zimpee, thanks :)
[12:06] <Zimpee> ;] 
[12:07] <ogra> chuck: whats the errormsg ?
[12:07] <[mirak] > ogra, tis working now
[12:07] <Zimpee> where can i set globally, which sound module gnome must use?
[12:07] <Matt|> sladen, it is celeron 2Ghz
[12:07] <chuck__>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[12:07] <dargo> by3
[12:07] <jsanti> how can I automatically load my .Xmodmap each time gnome starts? I tried xmodmap .Xmodmap in both .xsession and .xinitrc but none works
[12:07] <Matt|> sladen, but i still don't know how to find the right module
[12:07] <ogra> chuck: looks like its not supported by /dev/hda
[12:09] <umarmung> Zimpee, try gstreamer-properties
[12:09] <[mirak] > ogra, all is good, all is installed, thank you ever so much
[12:09] <sladen> Matt|: Q: Does the mobile Intel Celeron processor have the Intel SpeedStep technology feature?
[12:09] <chuck__> is there any other way to do it, i was using suse9.1 but heard all the hype about ubuntu and switched
[12:09] <sladen> Matt|: A: No, mobile Intel Celeron processors do not have the Intel SpeedStep technology feature. Intel SpeedStep technology is a feature found on all mobile Intel Pentium 4 processors - M and Pentium III processors - M at 600 MHz and above.
[12:10] <ogra> chuck__: are you sure the device supports it ?
[12:10] <Matt|> sladen, i thought that that only applied to p2 celerons, not p4 celerons
[12:10] <chuck__> it supports ultra dma33
[12:10] <Matt|> sladen, but i have never been sure about it
[12:11] <Zimpee> actually, i have scratching sound, how to set it? VIA AC 97 <-- umarmung
[12:12] <ogra> chuck__: and: sudo hdparm /dev/hda|grep dma reports that its off ?
[12:12] <sladen> Matt|: if you have something in Windows that appears to show speed-slowing, I'll look into it, but for the moment I've added it to the script that it doesn't have it
[12:13] <ben_> my p3 might not be above 600mhz
[12:13] <chuck__> yup
[12:13] <ben_> so which driver would i use?
[12:13] <Matt|> sladen, i don't have any evidence like that! perhaps the best thing would be to email the guy who maintains the cpufreq kernel component and get a list
[12:13] <Matt|> there is a partial list in the readme i believe
[12:13] <umarmung> Zimpee, i dont know, if you have sound you should have the correct module loaded
[12:13] <ben_> anyone, p3 under 600mhz, which cpufreq driver?
[12:14] <Zimpee> umarmung: where can i set, whois module should the sound card use?
[12:15] <ogra> ben_: i dont think your cpu supports it
[12:15] <umarmung> Zimpee, i have no clue, i dont use that soundcard, but lsmod should show you what modules are loaded
[12:15] <ogra> ben_: got the same cpu here.... this one doesnt
[12:15] <sladen> Matt|: davej never responded, I'll wait until the next time I bump into him at a party ;-)
[12:16] <Matt|> sladen, name dropper ;p
[12:16] <Matt|> linux parties huh?
[12:16] <other> I've a question for anyone who can answer it, I gave away my ubuntu cd and anytime I go to upgrade the distro or anything else it asks for the cd, and I can't get the cd back, also I have no blank cds, what should I do?
[12:16] <Matt|> other, do you have a net connection?
[12:16] <other> yes, how else would I be on here?
[12:16] <chuck__> ubuntu will send you as many distros as you want for free
[12:16] <chuck__> that was for other
[12:17] <Matt|> other, maybe on another computer
[12:17] <Matt|> other, but you can fix this: go to synaptic
[12:17] <other> Ah, well I'm on ubuntu right now.
[12:17] <sladen> ben_: yours won't support power saving, but can you paste the output of   grep name /proc/cpuinfo   anyone, so I can mark it as such
[12:17] <other> OK.
[12:17] <ogra> chuck__: i guess they will only send CDs ;)
[12:17] <chuck__> my bad
[12:17] <sladen> ben_: s/anyone/anyway/
[12:17] <Matt|> other, then go to settings --> repositories, and enable the online repositories, and disable the cd repository
[12:18] <ogra> chuck__: ...and probably only ubuntu ones *g*
[12:18] <other> I'll have to download synaptic unless it was installed on Ubuntu by default, so wait a few minutes.
[12:18] <Zimpee> it lists it umarmung, but i don't knows why it is scratching. i had no problem like this before. i could set xmms not to scratch. i chose ALSA output module, with soundcard: hw:0,1. cannot i set this to the whole gnome?
[12:18] <Matt|> other, it is installed by default: find it in Computer --> System Configuration
[12:19] <other> Ah thanks, I've needed something like this, just couldn't find it. Heh.
[12:19] <Matt|> other, it may be that it is already working
[12:20] <Matt|> other, try pressing "refresh" and then "mark all upgrades" and "apply"
[12:20] <umarmung> Zimpee, gstreamer-properties and set it to alsasink, then apps like totem & rhythmbox should use alsa
[12:20] <Zimpee> umarmung: need i restart or re-login?
[12:20] <other> Thank you very much, Matt|.
[12:20] <Matt|> other, pleash
[12:20] <Matt|> cya later all
[12:20] <umarmung> Zimpee, no, restarting the application should be enough
[12:21] <Zimpee> ok
[12:21] <umarmung> Zimpee, also check that those scratches arent caused by some input-channel turned up to the max ;)
[12:22] <kurtw> Help!  Does the shipping version of PHP include the MySQL library or am I just missing something.
[12:22] <Zimpee> they aren't, i've checked:)))
[12:22] <sladen> ben_: did you have any luck finding out the contents of    grep name /proc/cpuinfo ?
[12:23] <ogra> sladen: model name      : Pentium III (Coppermine)
[12:23] <ogra> sladen: we have the same one :)
[12:26] <stuNNed_> what's the new ubuntu wiki site?
[12:26] <chuck__> is there any other way to make dvd playback not so choppy with mplayer without dma
[12:27] <chuck__> i still cant change it yarrrrr
[12:27] <ogra> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[12:27] <stuNNed_> ogra, thanks
[12:28] <Zimpee> doesn't wrok, umarmung, gone system sound are still scratching.
[12:28] <Zimpee> *work
[12:30] <Lowry>  ogle is giving an error of no accelerated IMDCT found - display frame rate 0 fps
[12:30] <stoneguy> New topic: Could anyone point me to instructions on how to get my mounted VFAT partitions as icons anywhere on the desktop?
[12:31] <ogra> what is ogle ?
[12:31] <Lowry> a dvd player
[12:31] <Zimpee> stone: create symlinks to your desktop i think
[12:31] <Zimpee> apropo
[12:31] <Zimpee> i cant bbrowse my mounted vfat partitions as user
[12:32] <Zimpee> how to mount them? i need it
[12:32] <ogra> Lowry: why dont you use totem ?
[12:33] <ogra> Lowry: just looking at the ogle page....its gtk1 ....
[12:33] <Kirsch> Something the world needs: Wireless Power Adapters :-P
[12:33] <Lowry> How good is it on a low end g3?
[12:34] <ogra> Lowry: dunno...i can check it in the office tomorrow though
[12:34] <ogra> Lowry: got an old iMac there
[12:35] <Lowry> thx
[12:35] <Lowry> Just trying different players
[12:36] <Lowry> Vlc gives 0.7.2 Bond
[12:36] <Lowry> Illegal instruction
[12:39] <ogra> http://www.grawert.net/software/mrburns/
[12:39] <hypa7ia> ogra: as in burning to audio cds?
[12:40] <ogra> hypa7ia: yep
[12:40] <stoneguy> zimpee: Thx - that's start. Will go 'way and fiddle awhile with different mount options.
[12:40] <chuck__> on to a new question.. i installed nautilus with synaptic and cant find it
[12:40] <hypa7ia> ogra: hook me up
[12:40] <hypa7ia> or is that link it (can't open links right now, damn firefox)
[12:41] <ogra> hypa7ia: garb it, read the instructions and mail bugreports ;)
[12:41] <hypa7ia> chuck__: are you in gnome?
[12:41] <ogra> chuck__: on ubuntu ?
[12:41] <hypa7ia> lol ogra
[12:42] <chuck__> im on ubuntu
[12:42] <hypa7ia> chuck__: nautilus is what you use to access your files.  so go to the computer menu at the top anc click "home"
[12:42] <ogra> chuck__: so nautilus is already there
[12:42] <hypa7ia> then you'll be in nautilus
[12:43] <ben_> hi
[12:43] <ben_> did anyone answer my question?
[12:43] <chuck__> aha sorry im a newbie and was expecting something like k3e
[12:43] <ben_> p3 under 600mhz, which cpufreq driver?
[12:44] <Zimpee> i cant browse my mounted vfat partitions as user, how to mount them?
[12:44] <ogra> chuck__: if you drop in a empty cd nautilus opens a window where you can drop your files to burn....
[12:44] <hypa7ia> chuck__: nope, nothing like that.  insert a blankcd and a window pops up.... right-click on an iso and "burn to cd"
[12:44] <chuck__> thanx ogra and hypa
[12:45] <ben_> ogra: which cpufreq driver, speedstep-smi didn't work?
[12:45] <ben_> it might be under 600mhz
[12:45] <ogra> ben_: you are using the same cpu as i ? Pentium III (Coppermine)
[12:45] <ben_> ogra: yup, i think so
[12:45] <hypa7ia> so weird.  in windoze my burner won't go over 8x... nautilus burns at 24x :-)
[12:46] <ogra> ben_: mine cant do speedstep/cpufreq at all
[12:46] <ogra> :(
[12:46] <ben_> ogra: amn
[12:46] <ben_> *damn
[12:46] <ben_> lol
[12:46] <ben_> i'll just try some other ones
[12:46] <ben_> and hope for the best :p
[12:46] <ben_> anyway, g2g
[12:46] <ben_> bye
[12:46] <cyrus-tc> i ve just pointed out how to get the "forward and back" buttons working on my logitech mx500 mouse ;)
[12:47] <hypa7ia> cyrus-tc: where?
[12:47] <leitao> please, i want to make a dns cacher. should i use some special app, or bind does it?
[12:48] <cyrus-tc> hypa7ia, http://www.teamstaroffice.org/download/sonstiges/mousemap-v0.4.tar.gz get this app first
[12:49] <hypa7ia> ogra: i'm gonna try out mr burns later tonight
[12:49] <hypa7ia> i'll let you know how it goes :-)
[12:49] <ben> hi
[12:50] <ogra> hypa7ia: fine... keep in mind its not very responsive yet, so be patient before killing it, it may still work in the background ;)
[12:50] <ben> ogra: where are the cpufreq drivers?
[12:50] <hypa7ia> what's the addy on your apt repositoyu?
[12:50] <hypa7ia> nm found it :-)
[12:50] <chuck__> dont cry but i gotta go ill probably be back if google cant help me
[12:50] <ogra> its on the software page
[12:51] <ogra> the link....
[12:51] <ben> ogra: was that to me?
[12:51] <ogra> nope
[12:51] <ogra> hypa7ia: http://www.grawert.net/software.html or https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[12:52] <ogra> ben: your cpu doesnt support it no matter which driver you use
[12:52] <ogra> ben: it wont work
[12:52] <ben> well it might *pouts*
[12:52] <ben> lol
[12:52] <Witigonen> Hey all, I'm having some trouble with playing DVDs.  .avi files work fine, but with DVDs, my computer gets really, really, really laggy and the sound has static.
[12:52] <ben> ok
[12:52] <ben> how else can i prolong battery life?
[12:53] <ben> what stuff can i turn off?
[12:53] <Kirsch> lol
[12:53] <Kirsch> ben: why u so eager to extend battery life?
[12:53] <Kirsch> u've been here almost all day
[12:53] <Kirsch> hahaa
[12:53] <ben> because my battery life kinda sucks, alot
[12:53] <Kirsch> oh...
[12:54] <ben> it's actually not too bad, but i got alot better battery life on windows 98
[12:54] <ogra> ben: you said P3 600, could it be the age of the batt ?
[12:54] <ben> is there any way to set gnome to a 256 color mode?
[12:54] <ben> ogra: the battery is about 4 years old
[12:54] <ogra> ben: sounds like sony ....
[12:55] <ben> but it was used for about 2 years
[12:55] <ben> then on the shelf for 2
[12:55] <ben> and then i pulled it down and decided to put linux on it
[12:55] <ben> :p
[12:55] <ben> ogra: it's a compaq presario
[12:55] <ben> crappiest computer in the world
[12:55] <Zimpee> zimpee@ubuntu:~ $ cd /mnt/c/
[12:55] <Zimpee> bash: cd: /mnt/c/: Access denied
[12:55] <Zimpee> zimpee@ubuntu:~ $
[12:56] <Zimpee> how to mount my partitions? i want to browse, write them as user
[12:56] <Zimpee> the root can
[12:56] <ogra> Zimpee: show your fstab line for /mnt/c/
[12:57] <Zimpee> ogra: /dev/hda1       /mnt/c          auto    rw,user,umask=000  0       0
[12:57] <iminj_> test
[12:58] <ogra> Zimpee: try /dev/hda1       /mnt/c          vfat    rw,user,auto,umask=000  0       0
[12:59] <Zimpee> access denied
[12:59] <ogra> Zimpee: is it vfat ?
[01:00] <Zimpee> it is
[01:00] <Zimpee> zimpee@ubuntu:~ $ ls -la /mnt/
[01:00] <Zimpee> total 76
[01:00] <Zimpee> drwxr-xr-x    5 root     root         4096 2004-11-06 16:05 .
[01:00] <Zimpee> drwxr-xr-x   22 root     root         4096 2004-11-06 15:15 ..
[01:00] <Zimpee> drwxr--r--    7 root     root         4096 1970-01-01 01:00 c
[01:00] <Zimpee> drwxr--r--    5 root     root        32768 1970-01-01 01:00 d
[01:00] <Zimpee> drwxr--r--    6 root     root        32768 1970-01-01 01:00 e
[01:00] <Zimpee> zimpee@ubuntu:~ $
[01:00] <Zimpee> sry for flood
[01:01] <ogra> Zimpee: thats mine, i can browse and mount it: /dev/hda1       /mnt/hda1       vfat    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[01:02] <ben> i have a PIII 600mhz
[01:02] <ben> for sure
[01:02] <ogra> Zimpee: so i d guess to leave the umask
[01:02] <ben> it's on the compaq website
[01:03] <ben> ogra: it also says my laptop supports acpi
[01:03] <Zimpee> access denied
[01:03] <ben> acpi has yet to work at all for me though
[01:03] <Zimpee> [root can access it] 
[01:03] <ben> it only seems to work on mandrake
[01:03] <ben> :(
[01:04] <ben> dude, the manual that came with the comp says it has intel speedstep technology
[01:04] <Zimpee> maybe it is that the x flag isnot set, don't you think ogra? can you show me your ls -la /mnt/
[01:04] <Zimpee> ?
[01:04] <ben> and it tells how to fiddle with it under windows
[01:05] <ben> so where are the cpufreq drivers again?
[01:06] <ogra> Zimpee: drwxr-xr-x    2 root     root            6 2004-09-27 22:11 hda1
[01:06] <Zimpee> well, how to set +x to these directories?
[01:06] <ogra> ben913:  locate cpufreq|grep kernel
[01:06] <Zimpee> maybe thats the trouble ogra
[01:06] <kensai> which is a good download manager for gnome equivalent to kget?
[01:06] <jason_> why isn't there cdrdao w32codecs and tvtime in the AMD64 repositories?
[01:07] <ogra> Zimpee: sudo chmod +x /mnt/c
[01:07] <ogra> Zimpee: unmount before
[01:07] <Zimpee> right
[01:07] <Gwildor> 3y3'/\/\ 4/\/ 31337 h4x0r! ............waht does that say?
[01:07] <ben913> ogra: "could not open database: No such file or directory"
[01:07] <ogra> jason w32 != amd64
[01:08] <GnuHippy> why?
[01:08] <ogra> ben913: oh, very fresh install
[01:08] <ben913> ogra: huh?
[01:08] <Zimpee> drwxr--r--    7 root     root         4096 1970-01-01 01:00 c
[01:08] <Zimpee>  <-- after chmod +x /mnt/c, ogra
[01:08] <ogra> ben913: look in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/drivers/cpufreq/
[01:08] <GnuHippy> ogra?
[01:09] <ogra> GnuHippy: w32 = windows 32bit binary codec files.....
[01:09] <GnuHippy> so there is no way to get them to work in 64bit linux?
[01:09] <ben913> ogra: oh, i think something is messed up; the only thing in those directories are things like cpufreq_powersave.ko
[01:10] <ben913> don't see any drivers :(
[01:10] <ogra> ben913: /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/
[01:10] <kensai> there is no good download manager?
[01:10] <ben913> kensai, for what?
[01:10] <ben913> firefox comes with a pretty good one
[01:11] <ben913> ogra: what's speedstep-ich and the other speedstep one?
[01:12] <ogra> ben913: dunno, try them, they will complain if there is no such device
[01:12] <ben913> k
[01:14] <Zimpee> the trouble is, that at every mount, it changes the modes of the mounted dir.
[01:14] <Ruffian|JANE|> OMFG!why do people bash Ubuntu!  Libranet is my other favorite distro also: http://forum.libranet.com/viewtopic.php?t=5845&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
[01:14] <GnuHippy> ogra then how is it I can run a 32 bit version of cedega with 32 bit binary DLL files????????
[01:15] <kensai> ben913: downloading like 2 GBs
[01:15] <GnuHippy> but yet there is no w32codecs for amd64
[01:15] <HrdwrBoB> Have you noticed in the Ubuntu's literature that after install "root" has no password ?
[01:15] <HrdwrBoB> This looks like a big "Trojan Horse" to me.
[01:15] <HrdwrBoB> hahaha
[01:16] <mjr> GnuHippy, you can use the win32codecs with a 32-bit player; this is unsupported with Ubuntu, though if you want to tune a bit you can set up a 32-bit chroot environment where to run them
[01:16] <hypa7ia> HrdwrBoB: someone's not getting it eh
[01:16] <jkka> :)
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> they said you can't really use apt-get
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> someone is also on CRACK
[01:17] <mjr> GnuHippy, docs to do that on Debian are at https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id258030 , pretty straightforward to apply to Ubuntu, if you don't mind getting your hands dirty
[01:17] <hypa7ia> oh ffs.
[01:17] <ogra> GnuHippy: you can get the codecs.tgz file on the mplayer homepage....if they work on amd64
[01:17] <hypa7ia> people are so silly.
[01:20] <Ruffian|JANE|> Im using KDE in Ubuntu (Dont hate me for that), and I was wondering how I could set up a desktop shortcut icon for the / directory and automatically use it as root
[01:21] <TuxRox> I have a laptop with on-board ATI Radeon, and I have installed the driver, but it does not seem to work. Anyone know what I need to do to get full 3D support?
[01:22] <mjr> TuxRox, if yours is like mine, a low resolution ;/
[01:22] <TuxRox> mjr, yes not great resolution, but I should have acceleration regardless.
[01:22] <hypa7ia> TuxRox: that's what i have, did you do the BinaryDriverHowTo on the wiki?
[01:23] <mjr> oh, that's with 7500/16M and the free dri drivers
[01:23] <TuxRox> hypa7ia, not yet, I'll check it out. BRB
[01:23] <hypa7ia> yupyup
[01:23] <hypa7ia> worked for me
[01:24] <sch1fo> guys
[01:24] <sch1fo> when is the next versin of ubuntu coming out
[01:24] <sch1fo> current version is garbagew
[01:24] <sch1fo> wont even start gnome
[01:24] <sch1fo> on my laptop
[01:24] <hypa7ia> what vid card sch1fo?
[01:25] <sch1fo> nvidia geforce4 4200 go
[01:25] <mjr> sch1fo, is that some new way of asking for help?
[01:25] <jordi> sch1fo: calling the current release garbage isn't so nice.
[01:25] <Xenguy> mjr: hehe
[01:25] <sch1fo> had no problem with fedora
[01:25] <jordi> mjr: amen
[01:25] <sch1fo> mjr, i come in here every day to see if i can resolve this issue
[01:25] <uhuru> current rls is primo schlfo
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> sch1fo: have you installed the nvidia drivers?
[01:25] <uhuru> i might even say better than debian.
[01:25] <sch1fo> hrdwrbob, did not
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[01:25] <sch1fo> it detects it as a geforce4 generic
[01:25] <mjr> sch1fo, good luck with that
[01:26] <sch1fo> same as how fedora detects it
[01:26] <HrdwrBoB> then sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[01:26] <HrdwrBoB> try that
[01:26] <ben_> hi
[01:26] <sch1fo> k
[01:26] <sch1fo> what about getting my wireless card in monitor mode
[01:26] <hypa7ia> welcome back ben913 :-)
[01:26] <sch1fo> anyone have experience with that?
[01:27] <sch1fo> i ask that question every day
[01:27] <hypa7ia> specifying the card might help sch1fo
[01:27] <ben913> ogra: what's the directory for the cpufreq drivers again? lol, last time, i promise :p
[01:27] <ogra> ben913: /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/
[01:28] <sch1fo> hypa, its an prism2 i believe, with orinoco driver
[01:28] <sch1fo> works perfectly
[01:28] <sch1fo> just dont know how to set in monitor mode
[01:28] <ben913> ogra, what kind of cpu do you have?
[01:28] <sch1fo> apparently i have to patch it
[01:28] <ogra> ben913: Pentium III (Coppermine)
[01:28] <ben913> what mhz?
[01:29] <ogra> cpu MHz         : 595.812
[01:29] <ben913> how do you find that?
[01:29] <ogra> could be faster
[01:29] <ben913> all i get when i do the cat /proc/cpuinfo is the model
[01:29] <ben913> no clock speed
[01:31] <ben913> nvm, i found it
[01:31] <ben913> last try at cpu scaling
[01:31] <ben913> brb
[01:31] <stoneguy> msg nickserv stoneguy link stoneguy_
[01:31] <sch1fo> own3d
[01:32] <auke> lol
[01:32] <TuxRox> hypa7ia, it seems as though the driver did not install in /lib/modules and if I try to modprobe from /usr/X11R6/lib/modules it can not find it.... :-(
[01:32] <GnuHippy> is there anyway to get the cdrdao package for AMD64?
[01:32] <TuxRox> hypa7ia, even though it is there
[01:32] <mjg59> TuxRox: Files in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules aren't kernel modules
[01:33] <mjg59> They're loaded by the X server, not modprobe
[01:33] <TuxRox> So if I reboot, it should load?
[01:33] <TuxRox> or restart X
[01:33] <hypa7ia> you prolly need to reboot
[01:33] <hypa7ia> i did
[01:33] <mjg59> TuxRox: What are you trying to load?
[01:34] <Ruffian|JANE|> If I make a root password using "passwd" can I still use sudo and use my user password?
[01:34] <mjr> Ruffian|JANE|, yes
[01:34] <mjg59> Ruffian|JANE|: Yes
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> Ruffian|JANE|: yes
[01:34] <Ruffian|JANE|> ahahaha
[01:34] <Ruffian|JANE|> good
[01:34] <mjr> come on, all together now!
[01:35] <auke> Hm, say, does anyone know how well a debian-updated version of unbunty will be upgradable by a new ubuntu version?
[01:35] <TuxRox> mjg59, i just want full hardware accel.
[01:36] <ogra> TuxRox: nvidia ? or ati ?
[01:36] <ben913> back
[01:36] <TuxRox> ogra, ATI
[01:36] <ben913> booo, it didn't work
[01:36] <ben913> it really annoys me though, because the compaq site says my that my exact model supports speedstep and acpi
[01:37] <ben913> but neither acpi or speed step work
[01:37] <ben913> :(
[01:37] <ogra> TuxRox: what says: lsmod|grep fglrx
[01:37] <hypa7ia> auke: i'm not really sure - i'd think as well as any other ubu install.  if you managed go deb -> ubu, you're ahead of most people already
[01:37] <Lowry>  later
[01:37] <Lowry> later
[01:37] <auke> as in, I have some problems with rhythmbox 8.5.0 (which is shipped with ubu4.10) so I'd like to install debians' rhythmbox 8.8.0
[01:38] <hypa7ia> auke: what about grabbing it from hoary?
[01:38] <TuxRox> ogra, comes up blank....
[01:38] <auke> aah.. hoary is alive already somewhere?
[01:38] <ogra> TuxRox: sudo modprobe fglrx
[01:38] <ben913> when is hoary being released?
[01:38] <Ruffian|JANE|> hehe
[01:39] <hypa7ia> spring next year
[01:39] <auke> hypa7ia, like, I can add the hoary repository to sources.lst? cool :)
[01:39] <ogra> ben913: april
[01:39] <hypa7ia> that you can
[01:39] <TuxRox> ogra, Module not found......
[01:39] <auke> gimme sec, lemme try :)
[01:39] <ben913> booo
[01:39] <Ruffian|JANE|> when hoary comes out I can apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade to it right?
[01:39] <ogra> TuxRox: sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver
[01:39] <TuxRox> ogra, Synaptic shows the driver as already installed....
[01:40] <ben913> ogra: do you have a laptop? if so, are u running acpi or apm?
[01:40] <ogra> TuxRox: warty ? which architecture ?
[01:40] <auke> hypa7ia, hey, this seems to work dude, thanks a lot
[01:41] <TuxRox> ogra, Warty, on an i386 Pentium 4 laptop.
[01:41] <hypa7ia> <-- not a dude
[01:41] <hypa7ia> but glad to help :-)
[01:41] <auke> hypa7ia, ghehe dudette? :P
[01:41] <hypa7ia> heh, yup :-)
[01:42] <auke> uhm, ah, that's unexpected :-)
[01:42] <ogra> TuxRox: try to reinstall the driver
[01:42] <TuxRox> ogra, will do.
[01:43] <auke> grr
[01:43] <auke> ok, how's this...
[01:43] <auke> "Unable to load file: no plugin loaded to open MP3 file - segfault
[01:43] <hypa7ia> auke: you need w32codecs
[01:43] <ben913> anyone know of any screenshots of 3ddesktop?
[01:43] <auke> for mp3?
[01:43] <ogra> auke: rhythmbox ?
[01:43] <mjr> bah, you need gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:43] <auke> ogra, yup
[01:44] <ogra> auke: gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:44] <mjr> shouldn't segfault without it, tho
[01:44] <TuxRox> ogra, It still does not show up in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-2-386/kernel/driver/video...... :-(
[01:44] <sch1fo> guys, how can i get the kernel source
[01:44] <hypa7ia> auke: might want to file a bug about the segfault
[01:45] <hypa7ia> sch1fo: in synaptics
[01:45] <ogra> TuxRox: you should run apt-get dist-upgrade this kernel is way old
[01:45] <TuxRox> ogra, I see, will do.
[01:45] <ogra> sch1fo: linux-source is what youre looking for
[01:45] <auke> mm, alot of gstreamer thingyes, but no -mad package
[01:45] <sch1fo> hypa, whats it called
[01:45] <mjr> auke, it's in universe
[01:45] <sch1fo> ogra, k thx
[01:46] <ogra> auke: is in universe, did you enable it =
[01:46] <ogra> lol, mjr
[01:46] <auke> aah... mm...
[01:46] <auke> ok, that's a bit dissapointing - so I do have to select universe to be able to listen to mp3's?
[01:46] <ogra> auke: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:47] <mjr> yes you do, because mp3 is a restricted format
[01:47] <auke> ...
[01:47] <TuxRox> ogra, I'm a little lost. Call it RedHatism, but I tried dist-upgrade and it came back with 0 insta, 0 upgrade, etc...
[01:47] <mjr> recommend to prefer vorbis, but for existing mp3 files, just get the codec
[01:47] <auke> TuxRox, did you do apt-get update first?
[01:47] <ogra> TuxRox: apt-get upgrade before ?
[01:47] <auke> ah, ok
[01:48] <ogra> auke: is right...my typo
[01:48] <TuxRox> ok, i'll do that first.
[01:49] <TuxRox> That didn't work either...... Not too sure why the kernel is getting exculeded....
[01:49] <ogra> TuxRox: what did happen ?
[01:49] <TuxRox> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[01:50] <ogra> TuxRox: could you send me your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[01:50] <TuxRox> Ya, wait one.
[01:50] <auke> hypa7ia, ogra, thanks that solved it :)
[01:50] <hypa7ia> yay!
[01:50] <ogra> ;)
[01:50] <auke> and indeed I try to use FLAC/vorbis as much as possible but my ipod doesnt eat those nice ogg's... :(
[01:51] <auke> GRRRR
[01:51] <auke> segfaul again
[01:56] <theine> Hi, I'm still getting no sound under hoary (although I do get it when the login screen comes up). I just did a dist-upgrade, but still the same problem. Is this a common problem?
[01:57] <hypa7ia> auke: i'd ask that on the mailing list, it sounds like a good thing to have documented
[01:57] <auke> hypa7ia, uhm, sure, I think - but I'm sort-of new in this whole ubu thingy :)
[01:57] <theine> guys?
[01:58] <Auke> (hmm, that might give the wrong idea in some aspects... )
[01:58] <hypa7ia> Auke: moi aussi, no worries
[01:58] <Auke> ;] 
[01:58] <Auke> theine, did you have a look at 'gnome-volume-control' ?
[01:59] <theine> Auke: Thanks buddy, I had...
[02:00] <Auke> hmm, does 'cat /dev/sndstat' look interesting?
[02:00] <Pustulo> theine, I had a similar problem.. was a USB webcam getting detecteed before ther onboard sound
[02:01] <theine> The problem seems to be related to esd... killall appearently solves the problem -- not a very nice solution of course
[02:01] <theine> ``killall esd'' i mean
[02:01] <Pustulo> theine, that doesn't sound like my problem any more :)
[02:01] <Auke> theine, in that case it seems like you should teach your apps to use esd... or perhaps install alsa-esd
[02:01] <mjr> hmh, esd shouldn't reserver the device when nothing's playing
[02:02] <mjr> -r
[02:02] <DrAk0> where i can download the latest iso plz
[02:02] <theine> mjr: but it does, plenty of people in the forums have the same problem as I just saw
[02:04] <Matt|> is there any way to get hold of the old BLUE ubuntu artwork stuff from the original warty release?
[02:05] <Pustulo> theine, hmm this might be like my problem..  Do you have any hotplug/USB/PCMCIA devices with microphones or sound capabilities?
[02:07] <theine> Pustulo: not that I know of
[02:07] <cornflake> where can i find a howto on setting up cdrecord?
[02:07] <cornflake> for ubuntu, anyway...
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> you don't setup cdrecord
[02:07] <Pustulo> theine, OK.  ignore me :)
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> you just run it
[02:08] <HrdwrBoB> what are you trying to acheive
[02:08] <DrAk0> O_o
[02:08] <cornflake> HrdwrBoB: then wut's the burn command?
[02:08] <DrAk0> i just want download the OSI and i can't find it
[02:09] <tmartin> how do i change the background and foreground color of my xterm windows?
[02:10] <Matt|> tmartin, are you using gnome-terminal?
[02:10] <liten> xterm -fg grey -bg black
[02:10] <tmartin> xterm
[02:10] <HrdwrBoB> cornflake: it depends, cdrecord is quite complicated, what are you actually trying t5o DO
[02:10] <tmartin> how do i find what colors are supported?
[02:10] <tmartin> are all html hex colors accepted?
[02:11] <ogra> DrAk0: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso
[02:11] <liten> tmartin: you can have a look at google for ".Xresources"
[02:11] <DrAk0> ogra, Thanks!
[02:11] <Auke> tmartin, try 'xterm -bg "#AABBCC" -fg "#DDEEFF"'
[02:11] <Auke> (don't type the 's, but do type the "s
[02:12] <tmartin> Auke, that worksk
[02:12] <Auke> of course :P
[02:12] <Pustulo> tmartin, /etc/X11/rgb.txt
[02:12] <Matt|> how can i install gdm themes?
[02:13] <Matt|> where do i put em?
[02:13] <Auke> and you can use the hint on Xresources to make this automatic for each xterm you start up.
[02:13] <cornflake> HrdwrBoB: i'm trying to burn a music cd
[02:13] <tmartin> thx pustulo
[02:13] <HrdwrBoB> cornflake: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc speed=24 -audio track1.wav track2.wav
[02:13] <Pustulo> tmartin, those are predefined, named colours
[02:14] <HrdwrBoB> will burn an audio CD with those tracks at speed 24 with the device in /dev/hdc
[02:14] <cornflake> HrdwrBoB: ok, i'll try that
[02:14] <cardador> Matt|: computer > sys conf > login screen setup > graphical > install new theme
[02:14] <tmartin> actually using those predifined names doest work
[02:15] <Matt|> cardador, thanks, i unzipped it in the /usr/share/gdm/themes dir hopefully it will work
[02:15] <Pustulo> tmartin.  weird
[02:15] <Auke> tmartin, they should... try for example 'xterm -bg cornsilk'?
[02:15] <tmartin> that worked
[02:15] <Auke> then which name did you try?
[02:15] <tmartin> AliceBlue for foreground
[02:16] <tmartin> that didnt work
[02:16] <Pustulo> any error msg?
[02:16] <Auke> hm, that works for me
[02:16] <Auke> (do note that it looks very close to white um?)
[02:17] <tmartin> oh ok
[02:17] <Auke> :-P
[02:17] <tmartin> yea it worked for bg so its gotta be working for fg too
[02:17] <tmartin> can i resize the xterm window?
[02:18] <tmartin> im lookin at the man..
[02:18] <tmartin> lotta options
[02:18] <Pustulo> tmartin try it.. at worst your system explodes in smoke
[02:18] <Pustulo> tmartin, -geometry XxY
[02:19] <tmartin> oooo sweetness
[02:20] <tmartin> can xterm be transparent too?
[02:20] <Auke> nope
[02:20] <Pustulo> tmartin, not normally
[02:20] <Auke> (try aterm or gnome-terminal for that
[02:20] <Pustulo> or eterm
[02:21] <tmartin> reason im using xterm is becvause gnome terminal wasnt recognizing escape sequence colors
[02:21] <tmartin> or whatever it is that allows you to view colors on ur filesystem
[02:21] <Pustulo> ick
[02:22] <Auke> dude, you got colors on your filesystem? what did fsck day?
[02:22] <Auke> err, *say?
[02:23] <HrdwrBoB> er
[02:23] <HrdwrBoB> ls --color
[02:23] <HrdwrBoB> I think is what he means
[02:23] <tmartin> well imean when i do ls
[02:23] <tmartin> i get colors for dierectories
[02:23] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[02:23] <Auke> oh, really... (sorry, I'm joking)
[02:24] <Pustulo> ick.. colours.. i never got used to colours on ls.. unalias ls is one tf the first things I do :)
[02:24] <tmartin> oh haha
[02:24] <Pustulo> mind you, im colour-blind
[02:24] <tmartin> ah well then it looks a bit diff for you
[02:24] <Auke> ah :-) I usually use ls -F , because that also works on old sun boxes
[02:24] <billytwowilly> what is the password for cups administration?
[02:25] <tmartin> i just dont like all the verbosity of ls -l so colors help
[02:25] <Pustulo> ls -Fc is my norm
[02:25] <tmartin> oh ok
[02:25] <tmartin> that works
[02:25] <vortex25> I could never get that cups web interface working, so I just used the Computer->System Configuration->Printing
[02:25] <theine> billytwowilly: tried your root password?
[02:25] <tmartin> just for me colors are more quickly recognized than asteriks
[02:26] <billytwowilly> theine, I tried it, it didn't work
[02:26] <Pustulo> tmartin, Ive been playing with UNIces since 1990.. ls -Fc has been around  longer than colour ls :)
[02:27] <theine> hmmm... that's odd
[02:27] <Pustulo> tmartin, * @ + and / mean more to me than colours
[02:27] <theine> I really thought it's the root password
[02:27] <tmartin> whats @ and +
[02:28] <Pustulo> i meant =, not +
[02:28] <Pustulo> @ is a link I thought
[02:28] <billytwowilly> theine, I thought it was too.... what should I be using for the username?
[02:28] <theine> billytwowilly: root
[02:29] <exfarmboy> Question from a newbie... tried installing Ubuntu on an old pentium, using the Smart Boot Manager floppy and the Ubuntu boot CD.  The boot menu came up but the CDROM drive was not listed as an option.  I tried specifying the I/O address directly and that did not work.   The primary and secondary ide channels are at addresses
[02:29] <billytwowilly> theine, that doesn't work..
[02:29] <Pustulo> = is a pipe i think
[02:29] <theine> billytwowilly: you've done ``sudo passwd root'' right?
[02:29] <exfarmboy> Woops... sorry... cut my sentence off.  Anyone willing to chat for a bit to help me out?
[02:30] <billytwowilly> theine, uhh. I have a password.. I changed it with the user and group thingy.
[02:30] <billytwowilly> wouldn't that just wipe the password?
[02:30] <theine> billytwowilly: yes, you sure have a password, but maybe root has none yet
[02:30] <billytwowilly> no, I mean the root user has a password
[02:31] <billytwowilly> I can su and put in my password and become root.
[02:31] <theine> billytwowilly: I see, well the you should be fine of course
[02:31] <bito> what is MD5 for word: damasio?
[02:31] <bito> now iam in windows
[02:31] <theine> billytwowilly: Sorry that you aren't as far as cups is concerned
[02:31] <billytwowilly> theine, but no closer to figuring out why cups hates me;)
[02:31] <bito> sorry
[02:32] <Auke> fe9ea670b5d795d7310c01e03fd6022e
[02:32] <bito> damasio
[02:32] <Auke> yep
[02:32] <cornflake> HrdwrBoB: that command didn't work
[02:32] <HrdwrBoB> cornflake: no, you need to modify it to be the same as your stuff.
[02:34] <billytwowilly> BASTARDS! "Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu Computer > System configuration > Printing."
[02:34] <billytwowilly> how do I unscrew this up?
[02:35] <HrdwrBoB> ...
[02:35] <HrdwrBoB> use menu-> system conf-> printing
[02:35] <billytwowilly> I like the web interface.
[02:35] <billytwowilly> That's at the top of the webinterface.
[02:35] <HrdwrBoB> humour me
[02:36] <HrdwrBoB> and try using that
[02:36] <billytwowilly> I am using that. I want to know how to unmess up the cups web interface. If you guys are going to disable it you should include directions on how to fix it.
[02:37] <cornflake> HrdwrBoB: nvm, it worked, but it just did a bad  burn
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> ok cool
[02:37] <housetier> billytwowilly we are bastards, remember?
[02:37] <billytwowilly> housetier, Yah, but I'm trying to give you an opportunity to prove me wrong;)
[02:38] <housetier> you missed the opportunity to show respect
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> billytwowilly: essentially, the web interface shouldn't be used, that's the intention, however I'm sure you can re-enable it
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> though I'm not actually sure how
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> since I just used the gui printer dialog
[02:40] <theine> for me, gnome-cups-manager doesn't even start...
[02:40] <theine> I'm using hoary as I should probably add
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[02:40] <Pustulo> easy.. dont use a printer... save trees :)
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> that might be why
[02:41] <robertj> okay, undergoing the wife test
[02:42] <robertj> Hostname screen causing intimidation
[02:42] <robertj> "are these case sensitive" "Can I erase the ubuntu"
[02:42] <HrdwrBoB> robertj: yeah that's a matter of some problem
[02:43] <HrdwrBoB> the question is not really 100% necesarry
[02:43] <HrdwrBoB> but irritating to change
[02:43] <robertj> that's a tough one
[02:43] <Pustulo> change wife.. much easier.. though more expensive
[02:43] <robertj> I'd say a reverse lookup should be attempted, and if it doesn't work, give it a random or default hostname
[02:44] <robertj> The moment of truth...the partitioning step
[02:44] <hypa7ia> reverse == not so useful for those on dynamic ips
[02:45] <hypa7ia> it will often return a value, but that value could be wrong on the next login
[02:45] <robertj> hypa7ia: if it fails they likely don't have any hostname policys
[02:45] <robertj> oh, that's right
[02:45] <hypa7ia> yes, but if it succeeds it could still prove problematic
[02:46] <robertj> I could see it being stupid but not problomatic
[02:47] <robertj> say your hostanme is like this fellow CPEblahblahblah81b
[02:47] <robertj> and it changes to something similar but not the same
[02:47] <robertj> is it really any worse than "mybox432"
[02:47] <ben913> why does linux ring the system bell like 2 or 3 times on start up and shut down
[02:48] <robertj> ben: not sure, did you do a normal ubuntu install?
[02:49] <ben913> robertj: yeah
[02:50] <ben913> i think it beeps because of errors, but why would it beep on shut down then?
[02:50] <desp> hey
[02:50] <robertj> ben: my guess is pci
[02:50] <robertj> err pcmcia
[02:50] <desp> can someone explain to me why gvim opens a file showing both its beginning and its end?
[02:51] <ben913> ok, so how do i fix that? :p
[02:51] <desp> I'd much rather have just one view into the file
[02:52] <ema> a
[02:52] <andril> hello all again
[02:53] <andril> :)
[02:53] <ben913> robertj: how can i make it not beep for pcmia stuff?
[02:53] <robertj> find the packages that beep and remove them
[02:54] <Pustulo> pcmcia only beeps when its enabling/disabling things.. removing pkgs wont fix anything
[02:54] <Pustulo> unless you dont want to use pcmcia cards
[02:54] <tmartin> ahhh i cant change the default terminal in gnome to xterm with options
[02:54] <tmartin> it keeps applying my options to the gnome terminal
[02:55] <robertj> ok, partition stage did nto go well with wife
[02:55] <robertj> "Install Ubuntu on free space" needs to get in there ;)
[02:55] <HrdwrBoB> robertj: check bugzilla
[02:55] <HrdwrBoB> and file a bug report feature request :)
[02:56] <ben913> how do i know what's making the beep?
[02:56] <ben913> if i have a wireless card in the pcmia slot, would that make it beep on start up?
[02:57] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[02:57] <HrdwrBoB> a lot beep on pcmcia insert
[02:57] <HrdwrBoB> plug in the card = beep
[02:57] <HrdwrBoB> when you bootup and it starts up, it detects the card is plugged in
[02:57] <HrdwrBoB> and beeps
[02:57] <Pustulo> there's a beep for detection and one for enabling I think
[02:58] <tmartin> the preffred applications wont accpet xterm -bg "AliceBlue" in the custom terminal section
[02:59] <tmartin> ne1 successfully changed their default terminal under gnome?
[02:59] <Pustulo> tmartin, are you sure there isn't a setting for gnome-term to use the ascii colour thing?
[02:59] <Pustulo> tmartin, it seems odd to me that the gnome-term wouldnt grok the colours
[03:00] <M-and-M_> w00t
[03:00] <tmartin> i got gnome-terminal working
[03:00] <tmartin> its just damn slow compared to xterm for startup
[03:00] <Pustulo> tmartin, sheesh hard to please:)
[03:00] <spox> yo
[03:00] <tmartin> well heck thats why im using ubuntu
[03:00] <eclipse> hi, anyone in here knows how to install a firefox skin manually?
[03:00] <tmartin> so i can customize the hell out of it
[03:01] <schifo> guys
[03:01] <eclipse> no one?
[03:01] <spox> jeezz the only thing which I hear these days is "that's why I'm using ubuntu"
[03:02] <eclipse> hi, anyone in here knows how to install a firefox skin manually?
[03:02] <Pustulo> eclipse.. look at the firefox/mozilla site for it
[03:02] <schifo> how do i download the kernel source guys
[03:02] <eclipse> i know but i just want a quick answer
[03:02] <Pustulo> eclipse: under preferences , go to the themes settings
[03:02] <ben913> HrdwrBob: so how would i stop it from beeping?
[03:02] <Pustulo> eclipse: its pretty intuitive
[03:02] <ben913> it's really annoying to take out the card and then put it back in
[03:03] <Pustulo> ben: turn the volume down  or unplug the speaker :)
[03:03] <schifo> how do i download the kernel source guys
[03:04] <schifo> i tried searching for kernel-source in synaptic but i dont see 2.6.8
[03:04] <eclipse> pustulo, i don't see it
[03:05] <Pustulo> eclipse, under tools, sorry
[03:05] <Pustulo> eclipse, i dont have one handy to look at
[03:05] <ben913> it's a laptop, and volume doesn't effect it
[03:05] <eclipse> i can't find it
[03:06] <eclipse> the only way to install is by letting firefox install it
[03:06] <Pustulo> yes
[03:06] <Pustulo> well maybe
[03:06] <eclipse> actually i found a site that shows u how
[03:06] <Pustulo> that's the easiest
[03:07] <Pustulo> ben: i have an answer for you
[03:07] <Pustulo> you owe me beer
[03:08] <bigt> question can someone kindly help me with getting firefox to work with ubuntu please? it keeps giving me bus error
[03:08] <Pustulo> ben: you need to pass "cardmgr" a "-q" argument
[03:08] <ben913> Pustulo: where do i put that?
[03:08] <Pustulo> ben: gimme a minute
[03:09] <ben913> Pustula: thanks a bundle ;)
[03:10] <Pustulo> ben:  you need to edit /etc/init.d/pcmcia
[03:10] <Mojo_Jojo> Hi, I was wondering why not all my files are "previewed" while others are?
[03:10] <Pustulo> ben: look for the like with "CARDMGR_OPTS"
[03:11] <Pustulo> ben, you should be able to just put "-q" afte rthe =.  There might be a better way to do this, but this should work
[03:12] <Pustulo> ben.. argh.. my advice is based on a redhat 9 install, not ubuntu, so i might be wrong
[03:13] <ben913> Pustulo: yeah, rthe =. isn't in there
[03:13] <ben913> what should i put in front of cardmgr_opts ?
[03:13] <Pustulo> ben, don't touch it :) you might be doin the wrong thing
[03:13] <Pustulo> ben... i dont have a pcmcia setup to refer to :/
[03:14] <ben913> oh, lol
[03:15] <Pustulo> ben:  i know you need to get the -q option to the cardmgr, but I can't tell you how to do it without the scripts handy
[03:15] <ben913> oh, alright
[03:15] <ben913> i can always fiddle with it later
[03:15] <Pustulo> ben, sorry
[03:15] <ben913> what's cardmgr -q mean?
[03:15] <ben913> cardmgr quiet?
[03:15] <Pustulo> -q = quiet
[03:16] <ben913> what would happen if i put -q in front of cardmgr_opt ?
[03:16] <Pustulo> i dont know, you may well break your pcmcia stuff
[03:16] <ben913> if it doesn't work or messes something up, it will just mess up pcmia, right?
[03:17] <ben913> well i can always change it back, correct?
[03:17] <Pustulo> ben, i guess (no warranties disclaimer here)
[03:17] <Pustulo> ben, send it to me if you want
[03:18] <desp> can someone help me?  I want to build gedit from source, and have it recognized by the apt package system.  what do I need to do?
[03:19] <nevyn> desp: why do you want to build it from source?
[03:19] <tmartin> how would i edit my XResources file so that whenever i start up XTerm with just the command "xterm" my color choices are applied?
[03:19] <desp> nevyn: I want to fix the black-cursor-on-black-background bug
[03:19] <tmartin> or coudl i put a file in my user dir?
[03:20] <desp> nevyn: I can't believe nobody uses gedit in white-on-black mode
[03:20] <nevyn> it's not fixed in the latest version in warty?
[03:20] <desp> no, it's not.
[03:20] <Pustulo> tmartin .Xresources or .xresources, I think
[03:20] <Pustulo> tmartin, not sure of the format
[03:20] <tmartin> yea ok i think i just found a page on google
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> desp: you would need a source line in apt-get
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> then you can apt-get source gedit
[03:21] <HrdwrBoB> and build it from the ubuntu sources into a deb
[03:21] <desp> HrdwrBoB: oh, nice.
[03:21] <desp> thx
[03:21] <Mojo_Jojo> anyone here have luck installing dvdrip?
[03:22] <Pustulo> heh.. hanging out in here sure beats working
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> Pustulo: heh
[03:25] <robertj> debian installer allows resizing of ntfs partitions on the fly right?
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> I beleive so
[03:25] <robertj> so where did that option go?
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> oh, if it's not there, no
[03:26] <desp> HrdwrBoB: can you tell me how exactly should I build it from the ubuntu sources into a deb?
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> desp: lookup how to make a deb
[03:27] <desp> okay
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> it's the same process
[03:28] <bob2> robertj: it's not in warty's installer
[03:28] <bob2> and I'd be really really paranoid about backaups before trying anything like that
[03:29] <zenwhen> hopefully my k3b install will finish tonight
[03:29] <robertj> bob2: but why is it not
[03:29] <zenwhen> i need ot make a big fat backup of this install to dvd
[03:29] <zenwhen> to*
[03:30] <bob2> robertj: because it was added after warty forked
[03:30] <robertj> bob2: oh
[03:30] <bob2> well, "diverged"
[03:37] <Tsjoklat> hey all
[03:38] <hypa7ia> hey Tsjoklat :-)
[03:39] <Ruffian|JANE|> Anyone who disses Ubuntu is an idiot
[03:39] <Tsjoklat> hi hypa :)
[03:39] <tvon> heh
[03:39] <Tsjoklat> lol hi Ruffian
[03:40] <tvon> Ruffian|JANE|: need to stick that on a t-shirt with naked people on the back
[03:40] <Ruffian|JANE|> AHAHAHAHAHA
[03:40] <hypa7ia> yes tvon!  i'd buy one :-)
[03:40] <Ruffian|JANE|> I hate those naked people! what was the people at Ubuntu thinking?
[03:40] <bob2> chill dudue
[03:40] <Tsjoklat> I would buy one too
[03:40] <Pustulo> mmmm nipples
[03:40] <zenwhen> haha
[03:40] <tvon> Shuttleworth was a big defender.  I think they were fine but I can understand how it could go over wrong with a lot of people.
[03:41] <Ruffian|JANE|> Why you always dissin bob2?
[03:41] <Tsjoklat> I d/l the november desktop.. removed it very fast
[03:41] <bob2> Ruffian|JANE|: I'm not dissing anyone, it's just that you get very excited and off-topic very quickly
[03:41] <zenwhen> I think the current login screen is pretty nice.
[03:42] <Tsjoklat> I like you excited Ruffian :)
[03:42] <Ruffian|JANE|> that black dudes a playa
[03:42] <Tsjoklat> I think it is a girl though
[03:42] <zenwhen> yeah
[03:42] <zenwhen> it is
[03:42] <Tsjoklat> lol
[03:43] <zenwhen> ?:(
[03:43] <desp> incredible! so I don't need to rebuild gedit from source just to change the cursor color! who would've thunk. http://neugierig.org/content/gtk2/
[03:43] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen grew a wig
[03:43] <hypa7ia> nice desp :-)
[03:43] <Pustulo> if you're offended at tose pics, you should see what I have on my wall here at work
[03:43] <Ruffian|JANE|> lol
[03:43] <Pustulo> pic of my baby girl freshly extracted from the whom
[03:43] <Pustulo> they dont get nuder than that
[03:43] <Ruffian|JANE|> lol
[03:43] <Tsjoklat> not offended at all...
[03:44] <Ruffian|JANE|> un-tarred
[03:44] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:44] <weasello> ubuntu says I can't get access to httpd.conf :(
[03:44] <nomasteryoda> congrats
[03:44] <Pustulo> still with womb-cheese
[03:44] <weasello> opens read-only
[03:44] <Tsjoklat> congrats Pustulo
[03:44] <Tsjoklat> but you are refering to something nice and personal
[03:44] <Pustulo> hey... thanks... wasnt fishing for that, but tah anyhow
[03:44] <Pustulo> :)
[03:45] <Tsjoklat> freshly extracted... lol
[03:45] <nomasteryoda> hey, my baby girl is now 10
[03:45] <nomasteryoda> so yea, i remember
[03:45] <Tsjoklat> 'daddy is a bit caught up with ubu darling'
[03:45] <Pustulo> but it isnt personal for ppl i work with.. i'd be pretty miffed if they objected
[03:45] <Tsjoklat> you never forget yoda
[03:45] <nomasteryoda> yea
[03:45] <ben> hi
[03:45] <zenwhen> did any ubuntu cds ship yet?
[03:45] <Tsjoklat> hi ben
[03:46] <ben> i got the beeps to stop
[03:46] <Ruffian|JANE|> ya, I orderd like 30 and nothing came
[03:46] <stuNNed> anyone ever add RPC based services to /etc/initd.conf?
[03:46] <Pustulo> w00t!
[03:46] <ben> thanks to the guy who helped me :)
[03:46] <zenwhen> ben
[03:46] <Pustulo> you legend, ben
[03:46] <Tsjoklat> ben has beeps that won't stop
[03:46] <ben> zenwhen: wat?
[03:46] <zenwhen> you mean the pc cpeaker beeps?
[03:46] <zenwhen> speaker*
[03:46] <stuNNed> s/initd/inetd
[03:46] <bob2> zenwhen: they'll be there in a couple of weeks
[03:46] <ben> zenwhen: yeah, it was because of pcmcia
[03:46] <zenwhen> oh
[03:46] <Ruffian|JANE|> I ordered 30 Ubuntu CDs like a couple of weeks ago and nothing arived!!
[03:47] <zenwhen> I wish my pc speaker didnt work
[03:47] <ben> the ubuntu CDs didn't ship yet, i don't think
[03:47] <bob2> Ruffian|JANE|: yes, wait
[03:47] <hypa7ia> Ruffian|JANE|: it's still in the topic...
[03:47] <zenwhen> Because I dont like that it beeps when im doing stuff in the terminal
[03:47] <Tsjoklat> I don't even have speakers plugged in
[03:47] <Tsjoklat> I like it silent
[03:47] <zenwhen> well
[03:47] <zenwhen> I like speakers
[03:47] <nomasteryoda> sometimes that is nice
[03:47] <zenwhen> but im tlaking about the pc speaker
[03:47] <nomasteryoda> quietly meshing with the ubuntu
[03:48] <ben> anyone ever use boot icons?
[03:48] <Tsjoklat> boot icons?
[03:48] <nomasteryoda> like boots?
[03:48] <nomasteryoda> or booties?
[03:48] <Tsjoklat> does anyone in here uses Alexandria?
[03:49] <ben> boot-icons
[03:49] <ben> it's a package
[03:49] <nomasteryoda> ah
[03:49] <nomasteryoda> ok
[03:49] <ben> it adds graphical icons when booting
[03:49] <Pustulo> I've rescued one lost soul today... time for tea
[03:49] <ben> i dunno, thought it would look cool
[03:49] <ben> :p
[03:49] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:49] <nomasteryoda> i rescued one lost soul too
[03:49] <Tsjoklat> never heard of it
[03:49] <Tsjoklat> the boot icons
[03:49] <ben> search synaptics
[03:50] <weasello> I can't find a PostgreSQL entry in the Synaptic package thingy. Am I looking in the wrong place?
[03:50] <Tsjoklat> This Package modifies the boot progress to show small graphics
[03:50] <Tsjoklat> in the non-scrolling area of the screen (at the top, next to
[03:50] <Tsjoklat> the Linux penguin).
[03:50] <Tsjoklat> well I haven't seen it ben, nor used it sorry
[03:50] <hypa7ia> weasello: it might be in universe
[03:51] <Tsjoklat> hey weasello... are you up and running?
[03:52] <Tsjoklat> I just looked and it is in synaptic weasello
[03:52] <weasello> tsj: yep!
[03:52] <Tsjoklat> happy?
[03:52] <weasello> well, so far. Can't figure out a few things, but I'm just getting started
[03:52] <weasello> hypa: what's universe?
[03:52] <Tsjoklat> weasello: do you know how to add rep to synaptic? or are you more familair with sources.list?
[03:53] <weasello> tsj: I know neither of which you speak
[03:53] <Tsjoklat> ok I'll help
[03:53] <Tsjoklat> cd /etc/apt
[03:53] <Tsjoklat> you'll see sources.list
[03:54] <Tsjoklat> you do: sudo nano sources.list
[03:54] <natea> anyone know why when i mount my Mac OS HFS+ partition and try copying a file to it, it says that it's read-only?
[03:54] <natea> i used: mount -o rw -t hfsplus /dev/hda4 /mnt/macosx
[03:54] <Tsjoklat> and there you'll see something like: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main
[03:55] <Tsjoklat> now for you to enable the universe rep do this:
[03:55] <Tsjoklat> make it that it reads: main restricted universe multiverse
[03:55] <Tsjoklat> on all of them
[03:55] <Tsjoklat> make sure they are all uncomment
[03:55] <Tsjoklat> meaning no: #
[03:56] <desp> okay
[03:56] <Tsjoklat> do this for security also
[03:56] <desp> so can someone tell me what do I need to do for my .gtkrc.mine file to take effect?
[03:56] <ninkendo> does ubuntu backport the radeon driver from xorg?
[03:56] <ninkendo> into XF4.3, that is
[03:56] <Tsjoklat> then close it ctrl x
[03:56] <bob2> natea: does linux support writing to hfs+?
[03:56] <Tsjoklat> and do: sudo apt-get update
[03:56] <Tsjoklat> sudo apt-get upgrade if you like
[03:57] <desp> bob2: yes, although there's a bug if the hfs+ volume is heavily fragmented and you try to create a file
[03:57] <Ruffian|JANE|> apt-get upgrade is good
[03:57] <Ruffian|JANE|> it upgrades
[03:57] <Ruffian|JANE|> =)
[03:57] <natea> bob2, i'm not sure - i also tried to use 'hfmount' but it says that the volume is not a HFS+ volume.
[03:57] <Tsjoklat> then apt-cache search postq (what ever you want)
[03:57] <Tsjoklat> if you are not sure about the file: do a apt-cache show filename
[03:57] <Tsjoklat> read about it :P
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> natea: I had that with my ipod
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> I unmounted it
[03:57] <Tsjoklat> then sudo apt-get install filename
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> used hfmount/hfumount
[03:57] <Tsjoklat> and you are good to go weasello
[03:58] <HrdwrBoB> them mounted it again
[03:58] <HrdwrBoB> it was all good
[03:58] <natea> HrdwrBoB, how has the firewire support been with Ubuntu?
[03:58] <Tsjoklat> too hard weasello?
[03:58] <natea> i'm experiencing strange freezes when i plug in my external Firewire HD.
[03:58] <Hikaru79> Gah, I'm such an idiot
[03:58] <HrdwrBoB> natea: I used USB
[03:58] <Hikaru79> How do you burn an .iso in Nautilus' CD burner?
[03:58] <Tsjoklat> I can tell you the synaptic way if you like?
[03:58] <HrdwrBoB> Hikaru79: right click, burn to cd
[03:58] <desp> please, someone, tell me -- how do I create a .gtkrc file that takes effect in gedit?
[03:59] <bob2> Hikaru79: right click. "write to cd"
[03:59] <Hikaru79> HrdwrBoB, I tried that
[03:59] <Hikaru79> But it actually BURNS the iso
[03:59] <bob2> desp: .gtkrc-2.0
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> er
[03:59] <Hikaru79> Like, I end up with a single ISO image
[03:59] <Hikaru79> File
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> that's what you said you wanted
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> er
[03:59] <desp> bob2: and then what, restart gdm?
[03:59] <Hikaru79> Not the actual contents of the iamge =/
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> Hikaru79: I have personally used it
[03:59] <natea> HrdwrBoB, so the 'hfmount' cmd mounted your ipod with no probs?
[03:59] <bob2> desp: no
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> are you sure your image isn't containing an image
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> natea: tbh I'm not sure wtf it did
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> natea: it took no options
[03:59] <Hikaru79> It's the Ubuntu i386 installer... so yes, I'm sure :P
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> the error in dmesg said to umount/mount
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> Hikaru79: what's the md5sum of the iso
[04:00] <Tsjoklat> computer: system configuration: synaptic: settings: repositories: put on ever Section line: main restricted universe multiverse
[04:00] <Tsjoklat> close
[04:00] <Tsjoklat> hit reload
[04:00] <Hikaru79> Let me check, HrdwrBoB
[04:00] <Tsjoklat> search: filename
[04:01] <Tsjoklat> hope that helps.. command line person myself
[04:01] <Hikaru79> a491903a2d2197651864dec3836d85e0  warty-release-install-i386.iso
[04:01] <huttan> anyone installed ati drivers on a default ubuntu kernel?
[04:01] <natea> HrdwrBoB, yeah i thought it was a bit strange that it took no args.
[04:01] <Tsjoklat> I went with the default huttan... works perfect
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> Hikaru79: looks right
[04:02] <Hikaru79> Yup...
[04:02] <Pustulo> i have fglrx stuff running
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> Hikaru79: so you right clicked on it
[04:02] <huttan> Tsjoklat, how did you install the drivers ?
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> and selected 'write to disc' ?
[04:02] <Hikaru79> And yet, here I have it... a CD with just a plain .iso file on it
[04:02] <huttan> Tsjoklat, i cant find my kernel-source
[04:02] <Hikaru79> Oooh
[04:02] <Hikaru79> Oops
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> hehe
[04:02] <Hikaru79> I moved it to the burn:// thing first =P
[04:02] <Hikaru79> Then I "write these files to CD"
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> hehe :)
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> ah well
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> blank CDs are cheap :)
[04:02] <Hikaru79> True
[04:03] <weasello> I'm handling it, thanks Tsjoklat :) I added the lines in sources.list and am now using synaptic to reload and browse! Now let's see if I find everything I'm looking for :)
[04:03] <Tsjoklat> ah you will :) it's like a candy store
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> yea
[04:03] <weasello> What's the difference between Uni/Multi verse?
[04:03] <desp> bob2: yes! I got it working. thanks for your reluctant help ;)
[04:03] <nomasteryoda> too much to choose from
[04:03] <Tsjoklat> huttan I never installed any ati drivers
[04:04] <Tsjoklat> weasello an ubu dev told me it is inbetween universe and main
[04:04] <Tsjoklat> don't ask, I have no clue what that is suppose to mean
[04:04] <HrdwrBoB> multiverse is the 'nonus' stuff
[04:04] <HrdwrBoB> like mplayer etc etc
[04:04] <Tsjoklat> huttan: I don't like chewed up kernels.. I build my own
[04:05] <huttan> Tsjoklat, i tried to make my own, it wouldnt boot on my sata disks
[04:05] <Tsjoklat> but the ati card worked out of the box.. before building my own kernel
[04:05] <Tsjoklat> ubu was very good with it
[04:06] <weasello> I've installed Apache into Ubu, but see no way to interface with it in Gnome :/ Is it strict command-line only?
[04:06] <Tsjoklat> did you build support in for the sata huttan?
[04:07] <Tsjoklat> I don't know anything about apache weasello sorry
[04:08] <hypa7ia> weasello: i think it's pretty much commandline and config files yeah
[04:09] <weasello> how about this... There's some config files I want to make shortcuts to on my desktop. How would I go about doing that?
[04:09] <weasello> That's user-friendly enough for me :)
[04:09] <hypa7ia> right-click on the desktop and add a launcher i think
[04:09] <schifo> guys
[04:09] <schifo> i tried searching for kernel-source in synaptic but i dont see 2.6.8
[04:10] <Tsjoklat> right click on your desktop and add launcher.. specify what sort... service etc.
[04:10] <Tsjoklat> Linux kernel source for version 2.6.8 with Debian patches
[04:10] <Tsjoklat> This package provides the source code for the Linux kernel version 2.6.8.
[04:10] <Tsjoklat> it's in there schifo
[04:10] <booda> REGISTER itzmeagin
[04:10] <schifo> what is it called
[04:11] <Tsjoklat> do a search for kernel-source
[04:11] <schifo> i did
[04:11] <Tsjoklat> and it should pop up
[04:11] <schifo> i get a few
[04:11] <huttan> Tsjoklat, yeah
[04:11] <schifo> but not 2.6.8
[04:11] <huttan> Tsjoklat, but couldnt boot root fs
[04:11] <Tsjoklat> do you have universe enabled?
[04:11] <huttan> Tsjoklat, do you by any chance know where i can get the kernel-source for 2.6.8.1-l-386 ?
[04:11] <schifo> not sure, pretty new to synaptic, please elaborate
[04:11] <booda> hello all I just installed ubuntu and would like to have my terminal and command line
[04:11] <Tsjoklat> tried kernel.org?
[04:12] <hypa7ia> booda: applications > system
[04:12] <Tsjoklat> schifo.. scroll up? I just launched weasello into synaptic land
[04:12] <britt_radiofree> i've heard there's some great acpi improvements in 2.9.1 ... would love to see that brought in from deb-unstable
[04:12] <schifo> not sure what that meant TSjoklat
[04:12] <Tsjoklat> both 2.6.8 and 2.6.9 are in ubu list
[04:13] <hypa7ia> 2.9.1 what britt_radiofree ?
[04:13] <Tsjoklat> schifo I just explained to weasello how to enable universe
[04:13] <britt_radiofree> so ... imap broken in evo testing for anyone?
[04:13] <Tsjoklat> could you scroll back to read up schifo?
[04:13] <britt_radiofree> hypa7ia, ack 2.6.9 :)
[04:13] <hypa7ia> britt_radiofree: testing as in hoary?
[04:13] <Tsjoklat>  computer: system configuration: synaptic: settings: repositories: put on ever Section line: main restricted universe multiverse
[04:13] <Tsjoklat> close
[04:13] <hypa7ia> britt_radiofree: it's in the pipes, otherwise, just grab a vanilla kernel off kernel.org
[04:14] <Tsjoklat> hit reload
[04:14] <britt_radiofree> hypa7ia, 2.6.9 (with mm patches i believe) is in deb unstable ... i didn't see it in ubuntu earlier today when i did a quick search
[04:14] <Tsjoklat> click status
[04:14] <britt_radiofree> hypa7ia, i'm too lazy to build my own ... i can wait
[04:14] <GnuHippy> I want x.org
[04:14] <hypa7ia> britt_radiofree: there's your answer then :-)
[04:15] <hypa7ia> i'm waiting for 2.6.10 actually
[04:15] <Tsjoklat> lol hypa :)
[04:15] <hypa7ia> so i know where you're coming from
[04:15] <Tsjoklat> <-- running 2.6.10
[04:15] <HrdwrBoB> 2.6.10-rc1
[04:16] <HrdwrBoB> you mean
[04:16] <weasello> so I made a launcher on my desktop that points to an apache config file, but when I double click on it it loads up the contents of the launcher file not the target of the launcher file :(
[04:16] <zenwhen> Im still using 2.6.9-rc3
[04:16] <britt_radiofree> also, is imap in evo testing broken for anyone else?
[04:16] <zenwhen> lol
[04:16] <GnuHippy> has anybody got w32codecs working on amd64?
[04:16] <Tsjoklat> yes Bob, thanks for pointing out the wee details
[04:17] <hypa7ia> HrdwrBoB: well, whatever gets built as a package... gonna eventually figure out how to do my own from vanilla tho
[04:17] <hypa7ia> britt_radiofree: evo from hoary?
[04:17] <hypa7ia> because i'm using it from warty with imap just fine
[04:18] <schifo> Tsjoklat, i did your procedure, but now im getting errors when i reload
[04:18] <schifo> ie. Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020) unstable/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%204.10%20%5fWarty%20Warthog%5f%20-%20Preview%20i386%20Binary-1%20(20041020)_dists_unstable_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[04:18] <britt_radiofree> hypa7ia, from hoary
[04:19] <Tsjoklat> what kind of errorst schifo?
[04:19] <Tsjoklat> something like duplicate?
[04:19] <Tsjoklat> ah okay
[04:19] <Tsjoklat> open up synaptic
[04:19] <hypa7ia> schifo: put your warty cd in the drive
[04:19] <Tsjoklat> make sure you only got: four lines
[04:20] <Tsjoklat> below the cd one (that you can uncomment out if you wish)
[04:20] <Tsjoklat> deb + deb source for archive and deb + deb source for security
[04:20] <weasello> Oh never mind, I got the Launcher thing working. But the files it's opening are Read Only; how can I make them editable?
[04:20] <Tsjoklat> chown it
[04:20] <Pustulo> eeks...
[04:20] <schifo> nm, fixed
[04:21] <Tsjoklat> sorry schifo I forgot that part
[04:21] <Pustulo> shouldnt chown system files to plain user ownership
[04:21] <Tsjoklat> no not system files
[04:21] <Tsjoklat> but isn't he just trying to make 'user' files editable?
[04:21] <Pustulo> ah ok... not following very closely
[04:21] <weasello> chown: changing ownership of `apache2.conf': Operation not permitted
[04:21] <Tsjoklat> he's making shortcuts on his desktop
[04:22] <Pustulo> apache config looks system to me :)
[04:22] <Tsjoklat> yeah it is
[04:22] <Tsjoklat> wouldn't do that weasello
[04:22] <schifo> what does this universe thing do
[04:22] <Tsjoklat> it beams you up Scotty
[04:22] <weasello> why not? :)
[04:22] <schifo> impossible
[04:22] <Tsjoklat> it enables more packages schifo
[04:22] <Pustulo> sudo <editor> file
[04:22] <Pustulo> its better that way :)
[04:22] <robertj> How fine grained is X auto conf, can specific options be added for specific motherboard/video card cobos?
[04:22] <Tsjoklat> not fully supported
[04:22] <robertj> err combos
[04:22] <Tsjoklat> sudo nano filename
[04:23] <Pustulo> pfft nano
[04:23] <Tsjoklat> you are a vim man huh
[04:23] <weasello> Can I just do gedit instead of nano? I don't like that command line stuff
[04:23] <Pustulo> use ed you blouse
[04:23] <Tsjoklat> it's like gnome/kde .. either you are a vim person or a nano one
[04:23] <Pustulo> use whatever editor you like
[04:23] <weasello> and how do I put Sudo into the launcher on my desktop?
[04:23] <Tsjoklat> weasello: command line stuff is nix heheh
[04:24] <Tsjoklat> you mean?
[04:24] <Pustulo> typing wont kill you
[04:24] <Tsjoklat> might give you carpal tunnel at best
[04:24] <schifo> good job Tsjoklat
[04:24] <Pustulo> i'm a vi person from long ago
[04:24] <Hikaru79> I've got another computer that I want to use as a webserver, and I'm looking for a distribution for it. I've been liking Ubuntu on my desktop computer a LOT so far, so is it also a viable choice as a server distro?
[04:24] <schifo> Tsjoklat, have you ever patched an orinoco driver, etc?
[04:24] <Hikaru79> I know there's probably better alternatives
[04:24] <Hikaru79> But is it at least plausible?
[04:25] <Tsjoklat> gksudo filename blah blah weasello
[04:25] <hypa7ia> Hikaru79: plausible, yes, i don't see why not
[04:25] <Tsjoklat> see Pustulo :P I knew it
[04:25] <weasello> I'll be opening these config files about 200 times in the next four days, I want to open them really easily and quickly in a resizable window; not command line.
[04:25] <Tsjoklat> a what driver schifo?
[04:25] <Tsjoklat> if you want to sudo them add gksudo in the launcher
[04:25] <weasello> where do I add it?
[04:26] <hypa7ia> at the start weasello
[04:26] <weasello> start of what?
[04:26] <schifo> Tsjoklat, sorry to say but i still can't see 2.6.8, i have only 4 repositories enabled, deb + src, and deb + src security, and the sections to all 4 are: main restricted universe multiverse
[04:26] <weasello> under the advanced tab?
[04:26] <hypa7ia> i think so weasello
[04:28] <mdz> schifo: what are you looking for?
[04:28] <hypa7ia> hmm, schifo, i think that there isn't a kernel-source-2.6.8 pkg yet
[04:28] <mdz> Hikaru79: Ubuntu is absolutely a solid server platform
[04:28] <hypa7ia> i only have up to 2.6.7 in mine
[04:28] <weasello> ok, added gksudo, now it asks for a password. I type it and it said "failed opening file as root: child terminated with status 1"
[04:28] <mdz> hypa7ia, schifo: if you're looking for the kernel sources, they're in linux-source-2.6.8.1
[04:29] <schifo> ?
[04:29] <hypa7ia> thanks mdz
[04:29] <hypa7ia> schifo: look for that
[04:29] <mdz> and it's in main; you don't need to change anything from the default in sources.list to find it
[04:30] <schifo> Tsjoklat, sorry to say but i still can't see 2.6.8, i have only 4 repositories enabled, deb + src, and deb + src security, and the sections to all 4 are: main restricted universe multiverse
[04:30] <mdz> schifo: <mdz> hypa7ia, schifo: if you're looking for the kernel sources, they're in linux-source-2.6.8.1
[04:30] <mdz> schifo: <mdz> and it's in main; you don't need to change anything from the default in sources.list to find it
[04:31] <weasello> Is there any sort of repository for installing software on Ubuntu somewhere? Everywhere I look it says "download this and compile that" and it doesn't seem like wonderful ol' windows :(
[04:32] <Pustulo> s/wonderful/evil/g
[04:32] <GnuHippy> has anybody go the w32codecs working with amd64???
[04:32] <GnuHippy> got*
[04:32] <hypa7ia> weasello: you can either get packages with synaptics, or you can download sources and compile them, that's about it
[04:32] <weasello> ok hypa
[04:32] <ben> hi
[04:32] <hypa7ia> GnuHippy: not since 10 minutes ago i'd guess.  maybe post a bug or something
[04:33] <eskiled> hello
[04:33] <hypa7ia> weasello: packages are the equivalent of an installer in windoze.  but better.  source is the equiv too, but kinda worse :-)
[04:33] <eskiled> has anyone here ordered the ubuntu CD from www.ubuntu.org???
[04:33] <hypa7ia> eskiled: check the topic
[04:34] <mdz> weasello: a repository of several thousand trivially installable packages is available for Ubuntu, among the most for any operating system.  I'm surprised you got the impression that you had to compile anything
[04:34] <eskiled> hypa7ia: which part
[04:34] <GnuHippy> its not really a bug
[04:35] <mdz> hypa7ia, GnuHippy: please don't file bugs about software that isn't provided with Ubuntu
[04:35] <GnuHippy> I wont
[04:35] <weasello> mdz: I'm searching the net for software, coming across websites... not looking in the repository itself
[04:35] <eskiled> hypia7ia: i am wondering if anyone has gotten spam mail i have NOT ordered one yet
[04:35] <nevyn> eskiled: yep..
[04:35] <mdz> weasello: Ubuntu provides one of the largest collections of software in one place
[04:35] <schifo> guys, when is the next version of ubuntu coming out
[04:35] <stuNNed> weasello, you can also add *unsupported* 'universe' and 'multiverse' to your ubuntu repo's, afaik
[04:35] <mdz> schifo: April
[04:36] <weasello> mdz: but not easily accessible upon installation of Ubuntu; you have to do crazy things to sources.list that noone could ever figure out on their own
[04:36] <ben913> wee, the original doom is fun
[04:36] <eskiled> nevyn: you got spammed???
[04:36] <nevyn> eskiled: no I ordered CD's
[04:36] <eskiled> lol
[04:36] <mdz> eskiled: we absolutely do not use those email addresses for any purpose other than contacting you about your CD order, as explained at the very top of the page
[04:36] <eskiled> damnit
[04:37] <schifo> mdz, april is too far away
[04:37] <nevyn> eskiled: I'd be having major words to the ubuntu dev's I know if I got spammed.
[04:37] <eskiled> no i mean spamming my address mdz
[04:37] <eskiled> like my house llo
[04:37] <nevyn> either with email or snailmail
[04:37] <Xenguy> Is there still time to order the CD's BTW?
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> way to be paranoid
[04:37] <mdz> eskiled: the same applies
[04:37] <nevyn> Xenguy: I don't think they've been shipped yet.
[04:37] <eskiled> my parents wwould flip if we got spam mail because of somehting free i ordered
[04:37] <eskiled> okay thankyou mdz
[04:38] <eskiled> im out'
[04:38] <mdz> Xenguy: the first batch is already en route, but there will be a second
[04:38] <Xenguy> nevyn: guess that's a 'yes' :-)
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB> < eskiled> my parents wwould flip if we got spam mail because of
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB>                  somehting free i ordered
[04:38] <Xenguy> mdz: OK, excellent
[04:38] <nevyn> mdz: do you know what the total # of CD's was?
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB> .. OMG A K-mart catalog
[04:38] <nevyn> mdz: I'm just curious..
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB> sheltered life
[04:38] <nevyn> HrdwrBoB: I think you're being harsh.
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> he was talking about real world spam
[04:39] <nevyn> I know he was.
[04:39] <mdz> nevyn: more than 100,000, less than 1,000,000 :-)
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> if his parents would 'flip' if they received a catalogue or somesuch other thing in the mail because of him, perhaps they need chill out
[04:39] <nevyn> it's a valid concern if you can't physically beatup a ubuntu dev
[04:39] <nevyn> :)
[04:40] <schifo> guys, after synaptic finished getting linux-source, where does it normally put the source?
[04:40] <mdz> schifo: /usr/src
[04:40] <Pustulo> schifo: its under your chair
[04:40] <ben913> where would synaptic put the doom game?
[04:40] <schifo> Pustulo, thanks
[04:40] <schifo> mdz, thanks
[04:41] <hypa7ia> mdz: more than 100,000?  that's awesome :-)
[04:41] <nevyn> that is neat for an initial release.
[04:42] <nevyn> lightweight ;)
[04:42] <nuOpus> hello
[04:42] <nuOpus> hey does anyone need a gmail?
[04:42] <nuOpus> I am trying to get rid of my one single invite
[04:42] <HrdwrBoB> no
[04:42] <Xenguy> nuOpus: no one *needs* a gmail ;-)
[04:42] <nevyn> nuOpus: why do you want to get rid of it?
[04:42] <nuOpus> oh okay ... gmail account
[04:43] <hypa7ia> nevyn: we've got lots coming in to the linuxcaffe tho :-)
[04:43] <hypa7ia> nevyn: www.linuxcaffe.ca
[04:43] <nuOpus> cuz that invite friends bold thing is starting to annoy me
[04:43] <nuOpus> lol
[04:44] <hypa7ia> nuOpus: invite some random hotmail user :-)
[04:44] <nuOpus> hey there is an idea! it gets thrown in trash anyway
[04:45] <hypa7ia> yuppers
[04:45] <schifo> guys, linux-source is in .tar.bz2 format, how am i supposed to uncompress that
[04:45] <nuOpus> Anyway .. anyone try the Hoary repo yet?
[04:45] <nuOpus> errr Hoary distribution
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> schifo: tar xvfj foo.tar.bz2
[04:45] <schifo> thanks bob
[04:46] <nuOpus> works very will I just wanted to report
[04:46] <mdz> schifo: what is your goal?
[04:47] <schifo> mdz, my goal is the following: http://www.kismetwireless.net/download.shtml
[04:47] <schifo> pardon, i meant: http://www.kismetwireless.net/HOWTO-26_Orinoco_Rfmon.txt
[04:47] <mdz> schifo: ok, you don't need the kernel source at all for that
[04:47] <mdz> you only need to build one module
[04:48] <schifo> man
[04:48] <schifo> i dont know what to do anymore
[04:48] <schifo> how am i supposed to patch the driver then?
[04:49] <mdz> you can download a tarball with the complete driver in it, build it, and use it, without patching anything
[04:49] <schifo> what do you mean, where can i find this
[04:50] <nevyn> hypa7ia: drupal?
[04:50] <schifo> im patching because i need to set my wireless card to monitor mode
[04:50] <schifo> when i do iwpriv eth1, monitor mode isnt listed
[04:51] <hypa7ia> nevyn: nope, tikiwiki
[04:51] <paulproteus> Tikiwiki is so ugly.  Otherwise I'd consider using it places.
[04:52] <shank_> moinmoin is nice
[04:52] <Tsjoklat> tikiwiki?
[04:52] <hypa7ia> paulproteus: depends on what you do with it.  my friend jason is the master:  www.penguindays.ca
[04:52] <Tsjoklat> sorry whomever was talking to me.. had a cat emergency
[04:52] <Tsjoklat> barfing all over the joint
[04:52] <hypa7ia> erk!  www.penguinday.ca
[04:53] <Tsjoklat> TongMaster :)
[04:53] <Tsjoklat> I feel like the greeting person at Wallmart
[04:54] <TongMaster> heh
[04:54] <HrdwrBoB> do they sell walls?
[04:54] <Tsjoklat> hey hey
[04:54] <Tsjoklat> I only say hi and bye Bob :P
[04:54] <TongMaster> Do we get complimentary mints?
[04:55] <Tsjoklat> I got brochures?
[04:55] <Tsjoklat> stickers?
[04:55] <shank_> Tsjoklat, i thought you had to be crippled in some way to be the wal-mart greater
[04:55] <Tsjoklat> who says I aren't shank :P
[04:55] <shank_> Tsjoklat, ok, then
[04:55] <Tsjoklat> lol
[04:55] <Tsjoklat> ewww
[04:56] <Tsjoklat> no no I am colourdeaf
[04:56] <Tsjoklat> no blue
[04:56] <Tsjoklat> brown :)
[04:56] <Tsjoklat> ubu brown
[04:56] <shank_> i think organce would be better
[04:56] <Tsjoklat> man I do sound retarded
[04:56] <shank_> and you can wear a siren on your head
[04:57] <Tsjoklat> now don't make a mocking case out of me shank
[04:57] <Tsjoklat> I greet but I am not here to be pissed on :)
[04:57] <TongMaster> what good are you then?
[04:57] <Tsjoklat> dunno TM
[04:57] <Tsjoklat> so much for gratitude
[04:58] <Tsjoklat> hypa you can be the greeter from now on
[04:58] <TongMaster> hey, a man's got to pee.
[04:58] <Tsjoklat> not on me you will
[04:59] <TongMaster> parse error
[05:01] <hypa7ia> noooooo
[05:01] <hypa7ia> i will not be the greeter :-p
[05:02] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen has to be it then :P
[05:02] <Pustulo> hey.. someone from houston
[05:02] <Pustulo> i'll be there in 3.5wks!
[05:02] <zugwrack> Greetings...
[05:02] <zugwrack> Where you at now?
[05:02] <Tsjoklat> or we could always appoint Pustulo
[05:02] <schifo> guys, how can i 'configure my kernel with the configurator of my choice' ?
[05:02] <schifo> Tsjoklat, perhaps you would know
[05:02] <Pustulo> its not that i like houston, its just that I wont be here at work
[05:02] <Pustulo> i'm in sydney, aus
[05:02] <zugwrack> Ahhh...
[05:03] <zugwrack> Been very nice weather here last couple days..
[05:03] <Pustulo> sis-in-law wedding
[05:03] <schifo> basically, make menuconfig if i recall, but which dir do i have to be in
[05:03] <Tsjoklat> schifo?
[05:03] <Pustulo> well here, the nice days outnumber the yucky ones, not like houston :)
[05:03] <Tsjoklat> for building kernel?
[05:03] <schifo> correct
[05:03] <Tsjoklat> /usr/src
[05:04] <schifo> /linux-source-2.6.8.1, you mean
[05:04] <zugwrack> Ok so like this distro is way kewl for PPC(mac)...but uhhh...I am lost with anything resembling debian.... is there a smp kernel that I can get with dpkg?
[05:04] <Tsjoklat> no it should be linked to that
[05:04] <chz> can anybody help...im in big trouble!
[05:04] <Tsjoklat> cd /usr/scr
[05:04] <chz> for sum reason..i cannot log into my systme...i keep getting this error...
[05:05] <Tsjoklat> src
[05:05] <Tsjoklat> sorry
[05:05] <Tsjoklat> gawd
[05:05] <Tsjoklat> cd /usr/src
[05:05] <Tsjoklat> ls -l
[05:05] <Pustulo> zug, is marvin zindler dead yet?
[05:05] <schifo> k
[05:05] <Tsjoklat> should point at the kernel you want
[05:05] <zugwrack> Nope..still kickin...(although barely) heh
[05:05] <schifo> correct Tsjoklat, thanks again
[05:05] <Tsjoklat> yw schifo
[05:06] <chz> ** (gnome-session:3852): WARNING **: Unable to read ICE authority file: /home/chz/.ICEauthority
[05:06] <zenwhen> did i miss out on greeter duty
[05:06] <zugwrack> Ok gotta bail for now...will be back...
[05:06] <chz> hey...marvin zindler..u folks from houston...?
[05:06] <Tsjoklat> no zenwhen.. you got the job
[05:06] <Pustulo> zug is
[05:06] <zenwhen> chz
[05:06] <Tsjoklat> hypa suggested you for the job
[05:06] <Tsjoklat> great honour
[05:06] <Pustulo> i've visited there about 8 times
[05:06] <zenwhen> sudo chmod 777 .ICEauthority
[05:06] <zugwrack> Cypress actually..but that is still west Houston...
[05:06] <zenwhen> or 775
[05:07] <chz> ok...i'll try that...be back in a couple mins...
[05:07] <zenwhen> It will work. Cya.
[05:07] <shank_> hi zenwhen
[05:07] <zenwhen> I used to have thta happen a lot when I was crashing my box testing new kernels all the time.
[05:07] <zenwhen> that*
[05:07] <Tsjoklat> you are suppose to say hi zenwhen
[05:07] <zenwhen> Hat shank_
[05:07] <zenwhen> hay*
[05:07] <zenwhen> lolz
[05:08] <shank_> hehe
[05:08] <Tsjoklat> LOL
[05:08] <shank_> zenwhen, your crippled too i see
[05:08] <zenwhen> hi meatwad
[05:08] <zenwhen> ;-;
[05:08] <Tsjoklat> after two hours you may appoint somebody else :)
[05:08] <zenwhen> this turd brown theme is growing on me
[05:08] <Tsjoklat> or whenever you feel like caving in I suppose
[05:08] <shank_> i like the spinning wheel
[05:08] <shank_> that's kinda nift
[05:09] <Tsjoklat> I love brown
[05:09] <shank_> especially the fetus one
[05:09] <Tsjoklat> so glad they didn't go with blue
[05:09] <chz> awesome it worked..!!
[05:09] <zenwhen> me too
[05:09] <zenwhen> Im really sick of blue
[05:09] <chz> thanks zen..
[05:09] <zenwhen> chz, awesome
[05:09] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen.. you are forgetting something
[05:09] <zenwhen> no problem
[05:09] <Tsjoklat> LOL
[05:09] <zenwhen> D:
[05:09] <chz> would u happen  to know why that problem occured in the first place..?
[05:09] <Pustulo> hey.. ive been to Auston once too
[05:09] <Pustulo> austin that is
[05:10] <zenwhen> chz, did you have a lock up or crash?
[05:10] <tmartin> how can i open up my machine to scp?
[05:10] <tmartin> for ssh
[05:10] <schifo> k, just finished with menuconfig, all i have to do now is make modules; make modules_install; correct?
[05:10] <zenwhen> Somtimes when exiting gnome, your ICEauth gets locked
[05:10] <chz> no..just restarted...
[05:10] <zenwhen> its a bug that has been around for quite some time
[05:10] <chz> oo...i c...
[05:10] <Tsjoklat> are you using fakeroot schifo?
[05:10] <schifo> not sure what that means Tsjoklat
[05:11] <schifo> im in real root
[05:11] <chz> good to know...
[05:11] <Tsjoklat> oh no
[05:11] <Tsjoklat> pm me schifo
[05:11] <zenwhen> the little drumbeat is getting to me
[05:11] <zenwhen> ;-;
[05:11] <Tsjoklat> I'll teach you how to build deb kernels
[05:11] <chz> what part of houston are u from zen...i used to live in bellair..
[05:11] <schifo> k
[05:11] <Tsjoklat> that way you can dpkg -i and so forth
[05:11] <zenwhen> Im not from houston.
[05:11] <zenwhen> What gave you that idea?
[05:11] <shank_> is there a deb with more wallpapers?
[05:12] <chz> oo...somebody was from houston..
[05:12] <zenwhen> Im in buttfuck kentucky.
[05:12] <Pustulo> hey, ive been there too!
[05:12] <meatwad> is there a way to map key bindings w/ gnome? (haven't used gnome since 1.2)
[05:12] <TongMaster> croweded this time of year.
[05:12] <shank_> zenwhen, its better than being in cleveland
[05:12] <zenwhen> Im not sure.
[05:12] <Pustulo> zug was from houston, nnot zen
[05:12] <chz> oo...zug...
[05:12] <chz> thats rite..
[05:12] <shank_> all the z* looks the same
[05:12] <Pustulo> i'm heading there in 3.5wks
[05:13] <zenwhen> racist
[05:13] <stuNNed> meatwad, gnome-keybinding-properties ?
[05:13] <zenwhen> ;-;
[05:13] <Tsjoklat> we got a greeter with an attitude :)
[05:14] <shank_> zenwhen, your not gonna be employee of the month
[05:14] <nevyn> meatwad: HSF!!!
[05:16] <Tsjoklat> ok for who wants to build a deb kernel package: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#INSTALL-KERNEL-PKG
[05:17] <stuNNed> Tsjoklat, thanks!
[05:17] <chz> well i appreciate the help again...i shall log back in when i got time...gotta project due in the morning for assembly class...(blech)
[05:17] <Tsjoklat> wellcome stunned
[05:17] <Tsjoklat> I love the way you are able to build kernels with deb
[05:17] <Rene_S> Hmm Xchat theme got changed ...
[05:19] <Rene_S> So quiet in here
[05:20] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen went on lunch break
[05:20] <zenwhen> hehe
[05:20] <Rene_S> hehem did he take the whole channel with him ?
[05:21] <zenwhen> trying to get gftp set up
[05:21] <Rene_S> I had to downgrade my Evolution, seems the one on Hoary don't like me sending emails out
[05:22] <tmartin> how do i remove a file that starts with "-l"
[05:22] <tmartin> i tried rm "-l.core000.80513" but rm sees -l as an option
[05:22] <Pustulo> rm -- -l
[05:22] <Rene_S> rm -f -l*.* would be my guess
[05:22] <tmartin> thx !
[05:23] <Rene_S> ahh double --
[05:23] <Pustulo> or rm ./-l
[05:23] <zenwhen> http://zenhardwhere.com/images/ubuntu-media.png
[05:23] <zenwhen> oops
[05:23] <Rene_S> neto another trick to add to my list of usefull commands
[05:24] <HrdwrBoB> zenwhen: ooh cool
[05:24] <meatwad> thanks to stuNNed who pointed me to gnome-keybinding-properties to create some keybindings but are there additional actions possible that aren't listed in there?
[05:24] <tseng> :q
[05:24] <tseng> er
[05:24] <Xenguy> vgedris: greetings :-)
[05:25] <zenwhen> Yeah, that stuff at the top of that is mpd at work.
[05:25] <Xenguy> vgedris: have you tried ubuntu yet?
[05:25] <meatwad> (I've got to have my Toggle Maximise Window Vertically :)
[05:25] <Rene_S> Whats really cool is my name in the Xchat
[05:25] <DAC1138> why wont ubuntu let me login as root?
[05:25] <vgedris> Xenguy: Not yet, but considering it for my next desktop box that will be replacing the current one (running Debian)
[05:25] <Rene_S> I love being immortalized in screenshots
[05:26] <vgedris> Just need to find the time to properly build that machine up...
[05:26] <DAC1138> whats the default ubuntu root password?
[05:26] <Xenguy> vgedris: I'm definitely interested in giving warty a spin (tried last night, but I think I have a bum CD, so I'll have to re-burn I guess)
[05:27] <Rene_S> I made a bum cd my first time trying warty, once i got it fixed i never looked back
[05:27] <vgedris> I want to do a bit of reading up on it before I commit to installing.   That's why I came in here to lurk. :)
[05:27] <Rene_S> Even beat out my Yoper install and I swore by that
[05:28] <DAC1138> root password? can u even login as root in ubuntu?
[05:28] <zenwhen> yes
[05:28] <zenwhen> sudo passwd root
[05:28] <zenwhen> you can set a root password and use it as normal
[05:28] <Xenguy> vgedris: seems to be basically sid snapshots from what I can tell (lurking is a good idea though; part of the reason I'm here :-)
[05:28] <hypa7ia> we need a bot inhere to serve that message :-)
[05:28] <DAC1138> thanks
[05:28] <zenwhen> lol
[05:28] <HrdwrBoB> but you should NOT NEED TO
[05:28] <HrdwrBoB> argh
[05:28] <HrdwrBoB> you CAN
[05:28] <HrdwrBoB> but you don't need to
[05:28] <Rene_S> Anyone here tried the Muine Music Player ?
[05:29] <zenwhen> Rene_S, yes... its very album centric.
[05:29] <stuNNed> DAC1138, default is set to use `sudo` and not even have a root account.
[05:29] <zenwhen> If you dont have tons of albums dont bother.
[05:29] <Rene_S> Yeah, i noticed that.
[05:29] <zenwhen> I couldnt stand not having a true root account. Im not big on change.
[05:29] <DAC1138> got it. now how to i use apt-get? like update the repositories and such?
[05:30] <HrdwrBoB> zenwhen: it's still root
[05:30] <Rene_S> Hehe, i ended up making a root account too
[05:30] <HrdwrBoB> zenwhen: sudo -s gives you a shell
[05:30] <zenwhen> HrdwrBoB, I am aware of that.
[05:30] <Rene_S> old habits die hard
[05:30] <Pustulo> zen: thats why I stills tart my editor as 'vi' not 'vim'
[05:30] <zenwhen> hehe
[05:30] <HrdwrBoB> I'm a fulltime linux admin and my desktop box has no root
[05:30] <nevyn> DAC1138: You shouldn't do it.
[05:30] <zenwhen> Good
[05:30] <HrdwrBoB> the next servers I implement will have no root
[05:30] <zenwhen> Im not saying YOU should change.
[05:30] <zenwhen> Im saying I am unwilling to change my habits.
[05:30] <zenwhen> lol
[05:30] <DAC1138> nevyn, then how do i install programs?
[05:31] <HrdwrBoB> those that can't change will perish :p
[05:31] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: sudo apt-get install foo
[05:31] <Pustulo> hrm.. i wonder how much stuff would break if you changed the name of the root user
[05:31] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: or just run synaptic from the menu
[05:31] <Pustulo> the username that is
[05:31] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: it will ask you for YOUR password
[05:31] <zenwhen> Those who cant chnage will fuction just fine as no other distro disables root.
[05:31] <zenwhen> change*
[05:31] <nevyn> zenwhen: it's part of being secure by default.
[05:31] <mdz> tmartin: rm -- <filename>
[05:31] <nevyn> zenwhen: there's no need for root to be able to login.
[05:31] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, no synaptic in the gnome menu
[05:31] <zenwhen> Good passwords are secure by default.
[05:31] <HrdwrBoB> zenwhen: why do you need root?
[05:32] <zenwhen> Why do I not need root?
[05:32] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: it is in computer-> system configuration
[05:32] <zenwhen> lol
[05:32] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, og, computer tab. im used to the older gnome
[05:32] <nevyn> zenwhen: why do you need it?
[05:32] <HrdwrBoB> zenwhen: as a user, I don't care about 'root'
[05:32] <HrdwrBoB> I just want to use my computer
[05:32] <mdz> heh, I was scrolled back a couple of pages and didn't realize it
[05:32] <zenwhen> Good god.
[05:32] <zenwhen> get off it.
[05:32] <HrdwrBoB> lol
[05:32] <HrdwrBoB> 'why are you all so quiet'
[05:32] <zenwhen> I prefer to have it.
[05:33] <zenwhen> Why the hell do you care?
[05:33] <zenwhen> lol
[05:33] <Pustulo> Bob, if you're not using your root account, give it to me.. I'd hate to see it go to waste
[05:33] <DAC1138> why cant i just use apt-get?
[05:33] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: you can
[05:33] <HrdwrBoB> sudo apt-get install package
[05:34] <HrdwrBoB> put in your password
[05:34] <HrdwrBoB> *shazam*
[05:34] <Pustulo> dont you need two matching rings for shazam?
[05:34] <Pustulo> am i confusing my cartoons?
[05:34] <stuNNed> DAC1138, `sudo -s` for root shell
[05:34] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: sudo runs commands as root, but asks for YOUR password
[05:35] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: it's also logged what you do
[05:35] <Xenguy> Is it possible to create a 'root' user, with all the 'god-like powers' if one wants to?
[05:35] <HrdwrBoB> and it's a lot harder to mess things up accidentally
[05:35] <HrdwrBoB> Xenguy: it's there, it's just disabled
[05:35] <DAC1138> no, apt-get needs to update the repositories, like in other debian distros, nothings working
[05:35] <zenwhen> Compitancy is the best prevention.
[05:35] <DAC1138> so far, im sorry guys, but i have to say ubuntu sux (so far)
[05:35] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:35] <Xenguy> HrdwrBoB: ahh, so best of both worlds - if someone wants it, they can just activate it
[05:35] <HrdwrBoB> enable universe
[05:35] <HrdwrBoB> Xenguy: exactly
[05:36] <stuNNed> Xenguy, `sudo -s` then `passwd` afaik
[05:36] <Tsjoklat> Ruffian: you got a customer.. DAC is dissing ubu
[05:36] <nevyn> yep.. and competency means not logging onto the machine as the administrator.
[05:36] <nevyn> this is true of linux and unix and even windows.
[05:36] <zenwhen> Um
[05:36] <zenwhen> Who said I logged into it?
[05:36] <HrdwrBoB>  windows is somewhat harder though as there's lots of broken user programs
[05:36] <Xenguy> nevyn: not sure what you mean by that
[05:37] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: what exactly are you trying to do
[05:37] <nevyn> zenwhen: why does it need a password then sudo can achieve everything that su can and logs it.
[05:37] <DAC1138> Tsjoklat, not really dissing it, im just saying its not the best distro. its too hard to use to be aimed at new linux users
[05:37] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, tyring to get k3b working so when i download a new linux iso i can install it
[05:37] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, or apt get really to download k3b
[05:37] <Tsjoklat> too hard?!?!
[05:37] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: if you have an iso, you can simply right click it
[05:37] <HrdwrBoB> and select 'write to disc'
[05:38] <zenwhen> nevyn, Im not continuing this conversation.
[05:38] <Tsjoklat> DAC... what other distros have you tried?
[05:38] <nevyn> ok.
[05:38] <nevyn> Xenguy: what's unclear?
[05:38] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen may be the greeter but he has limits :)
[05:38] <DAC1138> Tsjoklat, mepis, suse, mandrake, debian, slackware, ubuntu, fedora core 2 and 3, user_linux, knoppix
[05:38] <Tsjoklat> and you really think ubu is hard?
[05:39] <DAC1138> Tsjoklat, a few more, but i cant remember them off the top of my head.
[05:39] <Tsjoklat> only because of sudo?
[05:39] <DAC1138> Tsjoklat, yeah, even compared to slackware
[05:39] <uhuru> meh
[05:39] <Tsjoklat> slackware is the pits no offense
[05:39] <zenwhen> I dont think Ubuntu is hard at all.
[05:39] <zenwhen> Compared to SLACKWARE?
[05:39] <zenwhen> I just moved from slackware.
[05:39] <nevyn> DAC1138: it is different to someone used to administering linux|unix systems.
[05:39] <DAC1138> yeah, slackware is hard, and kinda stupid, but i know ubuntu can be better, but so far, it isnt
[05:39] <Tsjoklat> anyone that likes to refer them selves as slackwhores and their computers as pimpboxes should have their heads checked
[05:40] <zenwhen> Running ubuntu is like getting a blowjobs and getting paid for it compared to running Slack.
[05:40] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: so, what's the problem
[05:40] <zenwhen> job*
[05:40] <Tsjoklat> slackware hard.. lol it only updates once a year... haha
[05:40] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: if you run 'sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list'
[05:40] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, right now its downloading packages as easily as "apt-get install k3b"
[05:40] <zenwhen> Slackware isnt hard either.
[05:40] <HrdwrBoB> and enable universe
[05:40] <Pustulo> pfft.. you think that's hard? i remember installing "MCC" from a dozen floppies on my 386
[05:40] <Pustulo> that was hard
[05:40] <HrdwrBoB> or if you run synaptic
[05:40] <nevyn> debian stable only updates once every 2 or 3 years..
[05:40] <zenwhen> But Ubuntu is most assuredly more ser friendly.
[05:40] <HrdwrBoB> you can trivially enable it
[05:40] <DAC1138> yeah, and its this whole sudo crap, im not used to it and ive been using linux for 3 years now
[05:41] <uhuru> lol
[05:41] <nevyn> DAC1138: sudo is a good thing really.
[05:41] <Tsjoklat> not being  used to sudo crap as you call it DAC doesn't make ubu hard
[05:41] <uhuru> it's just sudo.
[05:41] <Xenguy> nevyn: the meaning of your previous statement is unclear to me -- but nm at this point, as I must get a couple of things done for work at this point ;-)
[05:41] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: it's not magic
[05:41] <Tsjoklat> sudo makes sense, you should use it period
[05:41] <HrdwrBoB> simple prefix stuff you want done as root with sudo
[05:41] <Tsjoklat> no matter what distro
[05:41] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, its not easy either. then what after i open vi?
[05:41] <hypa7ia> DAC1138: you know you can always just right-click on an iso to burn it to disk in nautilus, right?
[05:41] <DAC1138> hypa7ia, not really, ive been using kde all this time
[05:41] <nevyn> Xenguy: competent systems administrators do not logon to systems as the superuser.. (particularly for gui sessions)
[05:42] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, ive uncommented those lines, now what?
[05:42] <Pustulo> I can't relate to new users.. I've been playing linux far too long I think
[05:42] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: save
[05:42] <hypa7ia> DAC1138: well, you can.
[05:42] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: quit
[05:42] <uhuru> so now you say you don't like gnome?
[05:42] <HrdwrBoB> then run apt-get update
[05:42] <Tsjoklat> DAC: add behind main: main restricted universe multiverse
[05:42] <HrdwrBoB> seriously, if you want to do it on the command line
[05:42] <nevyn> HrdwrBoB: sudo apt-get update
[05:42] <Xenguy> nevyn: ahh, yes, of course -- I missed yer meaning the 1st time around
[05:42] <hypa7ia> Pustulo: doesn't help when the noobs have attitude, either
[05:42] <Tsjoklat> make it so it looks like: main restricted universe multiverse
[05:42] <HrdwrBoB> and refuse to use the (easy to use) graphical tools
[05:42] <DAC1138> uhuru, well, its not the old gnome i was used to back when mdk 9.1 came out
[05:42] <Tsjoklat> for archives and security
[05:42] <HrdwrBoB> then you are making it hard for YOURSELF
[05:42] <DAC1138> uhuru, and i never said i dont like gnome, i dont know where you guys get off thinking i said this
[05:42] <uhuru> then install that one dac.
[05:42] <HrdwrBoB> and it isn't infact any reflection on the system at all
[05:43] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, yeah, uncommenting those lines doesnt change anything
[05:43] <Tsjoklat> DAC
[05:43] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, aptget still doesnt work
[05:43] <uhuru> it's your box - you tell it what to do
[05:43] <Tsjoklat> DAC
[05:43] <Tsjoklat> DAC
[05:43] <Pustulo> hyp: its not a matter of attitude, I just can't get my head around how ppl can hope to get this stuff easily.. it took me a lot of messing around
[05:43] <Tsjoklat> did you read what I wrote?!?!
[05:43] <Pustulo> hyp: ppl should expect a learning curve
[05:43] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: sudo apt-get update
[05:43] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: run that
[05:43] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, got it
[05:43] <hypa7ia> Pustulo: agreed.  i'm still on it, that's fershure
[05:43] <Tsjoklat> fine DAC rather ignores me
[05:44] <HrdwrBoB> then sudo apt-get install k3b
[05:44] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, finally im getting somewhere. not if i can get this xserver installed, ill be set and ubuntu will be ok
[05:44] <HrdwrBoB> xserver?
[05:44] <Pustulo> hyp: well I only know what I use, im no guru
[05:44] <DAC1138> Tsjoklat, o, what? brb, let me scroll up. sorry
[05:44] <Tsjoklat> make it so the line reads: main restricted universe multiverse ... for archives and security
[05:45] <Tsjoklat> that way you will have access to everything ubu has to offer
[05:45] <DAC1138> Tsjoklat, yeah, i read that, ok, brb
[05:45] <hypa7ia> Pustulo: nor am i by any means :-/
[05:45] <DAC1138> holy cow, 75MB of download to get k3b working, lol
[05:45] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: that's because k3b is kde
[05:45] <HrdwrBoB> you need all the kde librariew
[05:45] <Tsjoklat> yeah you need kdelibs
[05:45] <Tsjoklat> and qt
[05:45] <DAC1138> yeah, and it needs all thos ekde libraries and such
[05:45] <nevyn> and kde isn't in the shiptarket.
[05:46] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: as I said, if all you want to do is burn an iso, right click it and select write to tisk
[05:46] <HrdwrBoB> disk
[05:46] <nevyn> s/tarket/target/
[05:46] <DAC1138> yeah, but i'd also like to burn other files, and i just stopped k3d because i know theres a better way in gnome :-)
[05:46] <meatwad> other than the limited options listed in 'gnome-keybinding-properties', is there a way to create custom keyboard shortcuts?
[05:47] <zenwhen> I still need k3b for Video DVD's.
[05:47] <Tsjoklat> nautilus burner is pretty good isn't
[05:47] <hypa7ia> DAC1138: the other way to do it:  insert a cd.  a window will open.  put files in it.  File->write
[05:47] <hypa7ia> Tsjoklat: i've been happy with it so far
[05:47] <DAC1138> can i specify the write speed?
[05:47] <HrdwrBoB> zenwhen: yeah, nautilus is not good for !file !iso stuff
[05:47] <DAC1138> i need it to write at a slow speed due to some problem with my drive. its dirty or something
[05:47] <HrdwrBoB> and there's no gnome equiv
[05:47] <HrdwrBoB> which sucks
[05:47] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: yes you can
[05:47] <Tsjoklat> I've burned a few things with it and got no complaints myself hypa
[05:48] <zenwhen> HrdwrBoB, If I had a gnome k3b clone, there would e nothing related to kde on my system.
[05:48] <zenwhen> be*
[05:49] <HrdwrBoB> zenwhen: yeah that's the same for a lot of people
[05:49] <hypa7ia> Tsjoklat: in fact... windows will only burn at 8x on my drive, while naut burns at the full 24x
[05:50] <Tsjoklat> wow that is cool hypa
[05:50] <hypa7ia> yuppers
[05:50] <alka_trash> new nvidia drivers release from nvidia
[05:50] <hypa7ia> also weird
[05:50] <DAC1138> ok, so far ubuntu is a little better
[05:50] <Tsjoklat> as soon as I get an xbox winhole is history
[05:50] <DAC1138> for for the newbies, i think they should stick with what the other distros are doing, not with sudo and such.
[05:51] <zenwhen> what
[05:51] <zenwhen> how could oyu run linux and hate nvidia?
[05:51] <zenwhen> you*
[05:51] <alka_trash> really
[05:51] <Tsjoklat> they do sudo for the newbies DAC
[05:51] <jay_> is firefox 1.0rc2 available for ubuntu?
[05:51] <nevyn> I hate people who claim that nvidia's binary drivers are good for linux more tho ;)
[05:52] <HrdwrBoB> zenwhen: easily
[05:52] <HrdwrBoB> I run nvidia cards
[05:52] <HrdwrBoB> because they work
[05:52] <HrdwrBoB> I don't really like them
[05:52] <HrdwrBoB> but that's the reality
[05:52] <zenwhen> Oh
[05:52] <hypa7ia> DAC1138: the sudo thing is the Right Thing to do.  especially once it's explained to people
[05:52] <zenwhen> Well they work well.
[05:52] <zenwhen> And Are the only suitable drivers if one wants to play games in linux.
[05:53] <alka_trash> I agree with zenwhen
[05:53] <nevyn> unless you have a SMP system or some m/b chipset they like or do X development or kernel development or....
[05:53] <Tsjoklat> wb TM
[05:53] <zenwhen> Perhaps they arent the best solution possible, but they are ht ebest solution availabale.
[05:53] <zenwhen> Would I pefer awesome open source drivers? YES. Are they going to happen? no.
[05:53] <nevyn> hypa7ia: yay.
[05:54] <nevyn> hypa7ia: with ati cards your worst case is equivilent to a nvidia card. and your best case is much much better.
[05:54] <alka_trash> with all this talk about nvidia, I was going to build the latest do I need to copy the modules to sbin or something like that
[05:54] <HrdwrBoB> nevyn: not in terms of functionality
[05:55] <DAC1138> hypa7ia, what is sudo exactly?
[05:55] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: sudo runs a command as root.
[05:55] <DAC1138> hypa7ia, and if its so good, why dont other popular distros tech it?
[05:55] <TongMaster> fancing meeting you here, nevyn :)
[05:55] <nevyn> DAC1138: most install it in base.
[05:55] <zenwhen> nevyn, are you joking?
[05:55] <nevyn> TongMaster: you just noticed I'm here?
[05:55] <HrdwrBoB> 15:41 < HrdwrBoB> simple prefix stuff you want done as root with sudo
[05:55] <TongMaster> it's a long l;ist, nevyn :)
[05:55] <zenwhen> are you seriously saying that ati's linux driver support is even near Nvidia's?
[05:56] <HrdwrBoB> 15:35 < HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: sudo runs commands as root, but asks for YOUR
[05:56] <HrdwrBoB>                   password
[05:56] <nevyn> zenwhen: if your card is <r200 the Free drivers are in Xfree864.3
[05:56] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: please, read what I write
[05:56] <nevyn> that's best case. and if you're running binary drivers you're fucked anyway you cut it.
[05:56] <DAC1138> HrdwrBoB, i try, but its hard at 800x600
[05:57] <zenwhen> fucked?
[05:57] <zenwhen> nevyn, how so?
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> nevyn: worst case nvidia=  you use the free driver (which is crap) and it works slowly and badly
[05:57] <nevyn> yep. you're beholden to the manufacturer for making your hardware you bought work.
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> best case= you use the binary only drivers and it works fast, with the best 3d you can get currently in linux
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> nevyn: omg, just like.. forever
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> that's their job.
[05:58] <hypa7ia> i am confused
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> I'm not saying I support binary only drivers
[05:58] <nevyn> and you don't get support for any drivers for anything.
[05:58] <hypa7ia> which has better Free drivers?
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> but the point is from a PRAGMATIC view
[05:58] <nevyn> ati.
[05:58] <zenwhen> nevyn, Your elistist attitude doent give me any more performance in UT2K4. Sorry.
[05:58] <zenwhen> elititst*
[05:58] <mdz> hypa7ia: ati has superior free drivers
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> nvidia has better performance and support unde rlinux for games
[05:58] <nevyn> it's not elitist it's practical.
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> nevyn: this is also practical
[05:58] <zenwhen> screw it*
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> ati's free drivers are far superior
[05:58] <zenwhen> Its not practical.
[05:58] <jdub> mdz: hrm, that's not what our X team says. :-)
[05:58] <nevyn> if you want to participate in the linux community. free drivers are essential.
[05:59] <hypa7ia> but the Free ati drivers are 2d-only, right?
[05:59] <HrdwrBoB> and if you want free drivers, buy an ati card
[05:59] <nevyn> hypa7ia: nope.
[05:59] <hypa7ia> really?  hmm
[05:59] <HrdwrBoB> nevyn: no that's bullshit/
[05:59] <hypa7ia> oh man,
[05:59] <HrdwrBoB> I particpate in the 'linux community'
[05:59] <nevyn> HrdwrBoB: PARTICIPATE... that means write software ...
[05:59] <HrdwrBoB> there's many ways to participate without developing the kernel
[05:59] <HrdwrBoB> no it doesn't
[05:59] <mdz> jdub: are you sure about that?
[05:59] <HrdwrBoB> that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard you say
[05:59] <zenwhen> nevyn, show me a free driver that cna get respectable framerates in UT2K4.
[06:00] <jdub> mdz: relatively, yeah. daniel is always harping on about how broken they are.
[06:00] <jdub> mdz: supposedly, something is changing in the near future.
[06:00] <hypa7ia> that's how i nuked the ubuntu install on the other computer i was working on today.  i tried to install fglrx, but the Free drivers were working fine.  argh!
[06:00] <nevyn> HrdwrBoB: if you want to participate in the LINUX community not the ubantu community or the debian community.. you must be running free drivers.
[06:00] <nevyn> must.
[06:00] <nevyn> otherwise your bug reports are /dev/null3d
[06:01] <DAC1138> brb, need to test this xserver, thanks for the help
[06:01] <HrdwrBoB> because ubuntu is not a subset of the linux community>
[06:01] <HrdwrBoB> ?
[06:01] <nevyn> no. it's a superset.
[06:01] <HrdwrBoB> well damn
[06:01] <nevyn> the linux community would be people who participate in the development of the kernel.
[06:01] <nevyn> including bugreporting documenting writing code etc.
[06:01] <zenwhen> nevyn, wheres the decent open source drivers?
[06:02] <DAC1138> uh, one thig, how do i see the desktop icons?
[06:02] <DAC1138> and how do i empty the wastebasket?
[06:03] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: right click
[06:03] <HrdwrBoB> and there is no desktop icons
[06:03] <mdz> jdub: he rants about both of them; the nv driver is *so* worse
[06:03] <HrdwrBoB> you can put some there if you want
[06:03] <HrdwrBoB> the nv driver is almost entirely magic numbers
[06:03] <DAC1138> how do i empty the wastebasket?
[06:03] <HrdwrBoB> DAC1138: right click on it.
[06:03] <HrdwrBoB> select empty.
[06:03] <DAC1138> looks like i should just use fluxbox with the gnome-panel then
[06:04] <DAC1138> where is the wastebasket?
[06:04] <HrdwrBoB> bottom, RHS
[06:04] <Rene_S> Hmm too much politics, free not free, gnome kde, gentoo or anything else.  Jeez all i care about is if it works or not
[06:04] <HrdwrBoB> Rene_S: exactly.
[06:04] <DAC1138> man, gnomad has changed a LOT
[06:04] <DAC1138> what version is this?
[06:04] <hypa7ia> DAC1138: coming from mac os x, it's very mac like
[06:05] <TongMaster> 2.8, DAC1138
[06:05] <DAC1138> hypa7ia, yeah,  i want that, kinda, but ive never used mac os x hardcore
[06:05] <DAC1138> i mean ive used it here and there, but not for long periods of time
[06:05] <zenwhen> Bashing the nvidia binary drivers is bashing the only thing that makes Linux a viable platform for those who want ot aplay a game or two.
[06:05] <TongMaster> what, frozen bubble isn't good enough?
[06:06] <zenwhen> no
[06:06] <mdz> I think the video card manufacturer flam^Wdiscusson ended several minutes ago
[06:06] <zenwhen> No it isnt.
[06:06] <zenwhen> lol
[06:06] <Rene_S> Mac OSX = FreeBSD, then add Gnome and a nice theme and you got almost the same thing :)
[06:06] <hypa7ia> DAC1138: i was using it for 2 years.  but i wanted a laptop and all.
[06:06] <DAC1138> or, PearPC + macOSX and you have, mac osx, lol
[06:06] <crazney> nevyn: dude, you're just wrong
[06:06] <nevyn> some people don't care if linux is a "viable platform" some people actually do care about not being beholden to some "vendor"
[06:06] <zenwhen> Mac OSX = Darwin
[06:06] <DAC1138> im kinda liking ubuntu so far
[06:06] <DAC1138> except for that whole sudo thing, but ill get past that
[06:07] <hypa7ia> nevyn: did you see that thing about the open video card on slashdot a few weeks ago
[06:07] <nevyn> yeah.
[06:07] <hypa7ia> DAC1138: it's been mentioned how you can enable a root user.  kwitcherbitchin :-)
[06:07] <Rene_S> Don't get me wrong, I like the freedom of choice idea, however I dont get mixed up in the politics end of Linux.
[06:07] <HrdwrBoB> nevyn: and some people care about things working more so than not being reliant on a vendor
[06:07] <mdz> hypa7ia: why did your desire for a laptop preclude using MacOS?
[06:07] <zenwhen> nevyn, those people arent the future of linux. Those people are the people who make people shy away from linux.
[06:08] <Rene_S> My mortage payment takes all my time these days :)
[06:08] <jdub> Rene_S: (most of it is not politics. it depends on how the person describes it.)
[06:08] <HrdwrBoB> but to say the 'linux community' is those who hack/develop the kernel is stupid
[06:08] <hypa7ia> mdz: because i wanted a tricked out laptop, and powerbooks were oiut of my budget range
[06:08] <HrdwrBoB> hypa7ia: don't like ibooks?
[06:08] <hypa7ia> HrdwrBoB: nah
[06:08] <zenwhen> Your attitude is exactly opposite of the Ubuntu philoshpy. Why would you want to chat about it or run it?
[06:08] <zenwhen> lol
[06:08] <mdz> hypa7ia: yeah, apple laptops hurt that way...but the same holds for their desktops
[06:09] <hypa7ia> not really for the imacs
[06:09] <jimmiejaz> I want a sparc lappy. :(
[06:09] <hypa7ia> i had a 17" flatpanel imac with a gig of ram
[06:09] <Rene_S> I think the Linux community is the broad standard, people who use, develop, compile, tinker, cry over and show off Linux are all part of the community
[06:09] <DAC1138> hypa7ia, what laptop do you have?
[06:09] <HrdwrBoB> Rene_S: thankyou :)
[06:09] <hypa7ia> i have basically the laptop they reviewed on slashdot a couple of days ago
[06:09] <hypa7ia> it's an ASUS centrino book
[06:10] <HrdwrBoB> the asus laptops are nice
[06:10] <hypa7ia> got it barebones, no windows tax!
[06:10] <hypa7ia> mwahahaha
[06:10] <HrdwrBoB> oh, excellent
[06:10] <DAC1138> ah. im using a gateway m305
[06:10] <[lsd] > yeah asus are making some nice machines now
[06:10] <DAC1138> works great with linux except for the video card, which will only allow 800x600 in linux unless i use a commercial xserver which i have, and i need to get working
[06:11] <hypa7ia> it's a rockin laptop.  and /everything/ works.  just not out of the box :-(
[06:11] <hypa7ia> even the extra buttons!!! :-)
[06:12] <Rene_S> Last computer I seen work out off the box was a Commodore Pet
[06:12] <hypa7ia> heheh.  never used a mac, eh Rene_S?
[06:12] <jimmiejaz> sys64709
[06:13] <Rene_S> Only a couple of times. I used one for pre press work at a print shop
[06:13] <hypa7ia> hey jj, isn't it some sort of sacriledge for you to be in a linux chan :-)
[06:13] <Pustulo> my c64, c128 and amiga all worked out of the box
[06:13] <Pustulo> so did my xt
[06:13] <mdz> hypa7ia: what kind of stuff did you need to do to get everything working?  things we could fix for hoary?
[06:13] <jimmiejaz> not at all hypa7ia.
[06:13] <Pustulo> and my 386 for that matter
[06:13] <jimmiejaz> but shhhh! ;)
[06:14] <hypa7ia> mdz: wel.  intel wireless 2200 is a big one.
[06:14] <mdz> hypa7ia: what did it need?  newer version of the driver?
[06:14] <hypa7ia> there's no driver pkg yet :-(
[06:14] <Rene_S> Personally I would be dissapointed if my comp always worked out of the box, would leave me with no alternative than to bust something
[06:14] <alvariux> somebody has the weather gdesklet
[06:14] <mdz> hypa7ia: er, it's part of the default kernel :-)
[06:14] <hypa7ia> is it?
[06:14] <mdz> hypa7ia: my laptop has intel 2200 wireless, and it works out of the box
[06:14] <alvariux> i put the city code but say retieval failed
[06:15] <hypa7ia> argh.  then why doesn't mine :-(
[06:15] <mdz> hypa7ia: maybe it needs a newer version of the driver? :-)
[06:15] <hypa7ia> lessee.
[06:15] <mdz> hypa7ia: you got it working, building the module from source?
[06:15] <DAC1138> Pustulo, my speack & spell worked out of the box too
[06:16] <DAC1138> Pustulo, Speek** as oyu can see, it doesnt teach me very well, lol
[06:16] <DAC1138> bahhhh, i need sleep
[06:16] <Rene_S> I had to reprogram my Tickle me Elmo, out of the box it used obcenities
[06:16] <DAC1138> lol
[06:16] <hypa7ia> mdz: nope, not yet
[06:16] <mdz> hypa7ia: oh, you said everything works
[06:16] <DAC1138> be back in a bit, xserver install time
[06:17] <hypa7ia> DAC1138: don't diss the speak and spell.  that thing taught me to read :-)
[06:17] <hypa7ia> mdz: well, it's not all working on /mine/ :-/
[06:17] <Rene_S> Maybe its my lack of Linux savvy, but I cant for the life of me find to many bugs in the Hoary distro...
[06:17] <mdz> Rene_S: just you wait :-)
[06:18] <mdz> hypa7ia: does the module get loaded?
[06:18] <hypa7ia> mdz: there's a bug in the dsdt for my laptop apparenly and thus the battery status is not to be fount
[06:18] <hypa7ia> err found
[06:18] <hypa7ia> and i have to hack the bios to fix it, eek!
[06:18] <Rene_S> Yeah, I suppose the fun is about to start soon, Gnome 2.9 and maybe Xorg that should bust up some desktops nice
[06:18] <hypa7ia> or patch the kernel.
[06:18] <mdz> we'll probably end up merging newer ACPI anyway
[06:19] <mdz> for the stuff mjg59 is working on
[06:19] <hypa7ia> i'm not sure that it;s fixed there either
[06:19] <hypa7ia> it's been a big discussion on http://m6n.ath.cx/forum/
[06:19] <hypa7ia> and i haven't gotten cpufreq running again
[06:19] <hypa7ia> but i think that's another PEBKAK
[06:20] <hypa7ia> err PEBKAc
[06:20] <hypa7ia> ohhhh
[06:20] <pn> is there a place i can see a list of packages available for ubuntu?
[06:20] <hypa7ia> the wacom graphire tablet drivers would be sooo nice to have
[06:20] <hypa7ia> as a package
[06:20] <DAC1138> one last thing, lol. where can i download the kernel source to the defauly ubuntu kernel? the current running kernel?
[06:21] <meatwad> how do you use sawfish w/ gnome?
[06:21] <Rene_S> pm: maybe on Distrowatch, they tend to list them for most distro's
[06:21] <DAC1138> i cant see it in the synaptics stuff. the only kernels it has goes to 2.6.7, and the current kernel is 2.6.8-1 or something
[06:21] <hypa7ia> pn: in synaptics?
[06:21] <meatwad> choosing a window manager to use in gnome used to be very easy but now I have no clue how to do it
[06:21] <hypa7ia> DAC1138: linux-kernel-2.6.8.1
[06:22] <DAC1138> hypa7ia, yeah, but thats not in the synaptics package manager
[06:22] <Rene_S> I am suprised there isnt a metacity configuration wizard
[06:22] <hypa7ia> it should be DAC1138 if you've updated recently
[06:22] <hypa7ia> it's in mine
[06:23] <DAC1138> hypa7ia, what do you mean updated?
[06:23] <pn> has anyone had any luck using debian packages with ubuntu?
[06:23] <DAC1138> hypa7ia, how do i update the package list?
[06:24] <crimsun> pn: yes, but very cautiously
[06:24] <hypa7ia> DAC1138: in synaptics, hit Reload
[06:24] <hypa7ia> upper left DAC1138
[06:24] <DAC1138> hypa7ia, did that, the newest kernel i see is 2.6.7
[06:24] <Rene_S> Im curious now to see what the Yoper guy is gonna do with Gnome ....
[06:24] <DAC1138> hypa7ia, when i use the search feature for "kernel source"
[06:25] <hypa7ia> DAC1138: i gave you the exact package name
[06:25] <hypa7ia> search for linux-source
[06:26] <DAC1138> hypa7ia, got it, thanks
[06:27] <Witigonen> I'm having trouble with permissions on my CD-RW/DVD-ROM drive.  When runnings that access it not as root, it's horribly, horribly, horribly slow.  What should my fstab say so that every user has full permissions to do whatever withi t?
[06:27] <|QuaD|> is there an ubuntu with kde?
[06:27] <HrdwrBoB> |QuaD|: you can install kde if you like
[06:27] <Rene_S> Woot, jsut had my last cigarette ever .... got me the patch .... this better work
[06:27] <HrdwrBoB> it's in universe
[06:28] <HrdwrBoB> however, KDE is not part of 'ubuntu' as such
[06:28] <hypa7ia> good luck Rene_S :-)
[06:28] <Witigonen> Rene_S, good luck :)
[06:28] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu is a GNOME based distribution
[06:28] <|QuaD|> hmm
[06:28] <|QuaD|> considering changing to ubuntu
[06:28] <Rene_S> Thanks.  After 21 years of smoking, I need to stop.  Can't breath well anymore
[06:28] <HrdwrBoB> I would say, use gnome for a while
[06:28] <Xenguy> Rene_S: good luck - remember, patch, smatch -- it's all 'mind-over-matter' :-)
[06:28] <HrdwrBoB> if you still don't like it, then change over
[06:29] <hypa7ia> Rene_S: if you were in toronto you could participate in my smoking cessation program.  everytime you want to smoke, i kick you in the shins :-)
[06:29] <Qo-noS> Rene_S: snuff out the cig but start on the crack ;)
[06:29] <Xenguy> Qo-noS: placebos - excellent strategy :-)
[06:29] <Qo-noS> ;)
[06:29] <Rene_S> I live in Kitchener, 60 km is too far to go for an ass kicking, but thanks
[06:29] <|QuaD|> heh, i have used kde for 4 years now :( but i really want to try ubuntu... i have ONLY heard good things about it
[06:30] <hypa7ia> haha, cool Rene_S, you'll have to come down to the caffe sometime
[06:30] <hypa7ia> www.linuxcaffe.ca
[06:30] <|QuaD|> during the initial instilation does it load gnome... or is it more like a debian net install?
[06:30] <hypa7ia> |QuaD|: it loads gnome
[06:30] <Qo-noS> hey guys anyone knows of devel on a dtp app for the GNOME desktop? ala a gtk-based scribus?
[06:31] <|QuaD|> is there a list of packages it automatically puts on?
[06:31] <Xenguy> jezuz there's some kind of infestation of canadians in this channel :0
[06:31] <Rene_S> I plan on going to the pow wow in December, gonna take pictures again.  I might look around this year.
[06:31] <hypa7ia> hehe apparently Xenguy
[06:31] <Xenguy> er, heh, I am one -- oops
[06:31] <hypa7ia> Rene_S: pow wow = TLUG?
[06:31] <Witigonen> |QuaD|, I usually prefer KDE as well, but on Ubuntu, gnome is just better.  I recommend trying Ubuntu with gnome for a little while, if you can't get used to it at all, then try it with KDE.
[06:31] <Rene_S> Native thing at the Skydome
[06:32] <|QuaD|> Witigonen: can you give me a reason why?
[06:32] <hypa7ia> ahh, gotcha.  actual pow wow :-)
[06:32] <|QuaD|> i trust you
[06:32] <|QuaD|> just curious
[06:32] <hypa7ia> |QuaD|: because it's really slick :-)
[06:32] <Rene_S> Yeah I go to 2 every year.  One in Brantford and one in TO.
[06:32] <hypa7ia> Qo-noS: dumb question, but isn't scribus gnome based?
[06:33] <Qo-noS> hypa7ia: QT app ;)
[06:33] <|QuaD|> :) does ubuntu put out packages ahead of debian unstable?
[06:33] <hypa7ia> durn, Qo-noS.  i guess that explains why i don'thave it installed yet :-p
[06:33] <HrdwrBoB> |QuaD|: all of the integration work is being done with GNOME
[06:33] <HrdwrBoB> all of the hotplug stuff
[06:33] <HrdwrBoB> all of that sort of magic
[06:33] <|QuaD|> ohhh ok
[06:33] <Rene_S> Xenguy, were not roaches,  or virus'es we are just Canadian
[06:33] <|QuaD|> i guess i can try gnome
[06:33] <hypa7ia> |QuaD|: some yes, some no.  and ubu's feeding all its fixes back into debian
[06:34] <Witigonen> |QuaD|, Well, for one, it is the latest version of gnome- that's really, really nice.  One of the main reasons I prefer KDE, the use of my multimedia keys on the keyboard, I just set up with Gnome and it works great.  So that's awesome.  Also, gDesklets is better than superkaramba if you're into that stuff at all.  And, yeah, it just looks amazing.
[06:34] <|QuaD|> the thing i hate about gnome is that gtk apps run really nicely under kde but kde apps run horribly under gnome
[06:34] <|QuaD|> from my experience
[06:34] <hypa7ia> Qo-noS: i;ve just been using Inkscape of late
[06:35] <Qo-noS> hypa7ia: I guess a gtk-based Scribus + a presentation program will make GNOME better. OO's Impress is a little heavy on resources for some's liking. Criawips seems a promising effort though ;)
[06:36] <Witigonen> Hey, is there a better CD ripping program than grip?
[06:36] <Rene_S> My wife told me I had to pick a distro last night, she is tired of looking at the synaptic window
[06:36] <Qo-noS> hypa7ia: ah Inkscape + Sodipodi + GIMP > satisfy most normal desktop users' the graphics needs :)
[06:36] <|QuaD|> so noone answered me, where can i find a list of packages installed with ubuntu
[06:37] <hypa7ia> yuppers Qo-noS
[06:37] <hypa7ia> i <3 inkscape
[06:37] <Qo-noS> :)
[06:37] <hypa7ia> |QuaD|: i'm not sure that you can
[06:37] <|QuaD|> really?
[06:37] <Witigonen> |QuaD|, sorry, don't know.  Not that many are actually installed WITH Ubuntu (it only comes on one CD, after all) but there are a ton that you can install once you get it running.  Debian packages, after all.
[06:38] <|QuaD|> right... i am VERY familiar with debian
[06:38] <Rene_S> try this for a package list  http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntu
[06:38] <hypa7ia> |QuaD|: ubu is very very debian
[06:38] <hypa7ia> after i used fedora for a month it was nice to come home :-)
[06:38] <|QuaD|> right... but it installs gnome and other packages automatically right?
[06:38] <|QuaD|> what arethose packages?
[06:38] <|QuaD|> rene- i will try that
[06:39] <Rene_S> Yeah, scroll part way down the page, its a short list of the majaor features and packages
[06:39] <|QuaD|> yeah
[06:40] <|QuaD|> i went from 3.5 years of debian to installing suse 9.2 this w/e
[06:40] <|QuaD|> i have never been SOOO dissapointed
[06:40] <hypa7ia> rpm == teh suck!
[06:40] <|QuaD|> it is horrible
[06:40] <Rene_S> SUSE is nice but slow and bloated i think
[06:40] <|QuaD|> i liked it until i tried to install my own software
[06:40] <|QuaD|> yast is amazing
[06:40] <Rene_S> good for first time linux users
[06:41] <|QuaD|> i have never set up my dual monitors soo quickly
[06:41] <Witigonen> I hear a lot of complaints from Debian people about RPMs, but I've never understood just what was so horrible about them.  Anyone care to enlighten me?
[06:41] <blacknyx> Yeah SuSe is good for newbies like me, I'm on it right now.
[06:41] <|QuaD|> Witigonen: dependencies
[06:42] <|QuaD|> blacknyx: i start with mandrake... i consider putting it back on quite often (though i never do) urpmi is pretty good
[06:42] <hypa7ia> Witigonen: yes.  dependencies
[06:42] <|QuaD|> Witigonen: i can't find a way to install a bittorrent app because it doesn't believe it has python ncurses installed
[06:42] <Rene_S> Dependancies arent really the fault of the RPM per se. Its the people who make them that forget to include em :)
[06:42] <blacknyx> |QuaD|:  Mandrake was too much like windows for me, SuSe is a fair balance until I can learn to do things better on command line.
[06:43] <Witigonen> But programs like apt-get/urpmi/yast/yum all resolve the dependencies automatically.  (apt-get for RedHat/Fedora systems, that is)
[06:43] <|QuaD|> blacknyx: i liked it to switch over
[06:43] <|QuaD|> apt-get for suse has horrible repoisitories
[06:43] <|QuaD|> and it isn't anything like a debian one... it is slow
[06:43] <blacknyx> Once I try to recover my lost+and found files, I'll add ubuntu on a dual boot.
[06:44] <Witigonen> Hm.  I've never tried SuSE, but apt-get was pretty good on all the RedHat-based systems I tried it on.
[06:44] <|QuaD|> Witigonen: i have a suse 9.2 license (legal) i am not using it anymore... if you want i can send you the isos
[06:44] <|QuaD|> and you can see why it sucks
[06:44] <blacknyx> |QuaD|: keep in mind, 9.2 was JUST released.
[06:44] <blacknyx> 9.1 is more stable.
[06:44] <Witigonen> |QuaD|, I was thinking just the other night of installing SuSE.
[06:44] <blacknyx> I havent even upgraded yet.
[06:45] <|QuaD|> blacknyx: they don't even use bleeding edge packages
[06:45] <|QuaD|> a lot is crippled
[06:45] <|QuaD|> i hate it
[06:45] <|QuaD|> Witigonen: want the isos?
[06:45] <Rene_S> Thats not entirely a bad thing though
[06:45] <Witigonen> |QuaD|, Sure.
[06:45] <Witigonen> |QuaD|, if I don't use them, I'm sure somebody from my local lug will.
[06:46] <blacknyx> But isn't stable better than bleeding edge?
[06:46] <|QuaD|> Witigonen: can i pm you?
[06:46] <Witigonen> |QuaD|, of course.
[06:46] <|QuaD|> blacknyx: i like bleeding edge
[06:46] <Rene_S> Depends on the type of Linux user you want to be
[06:46] <blacknyx> I prefer stable, I'm not good enough with linux yet to deal with errors in bleeding edge.
[06:46] <|QuaD|> stable is good for a server
[06:46] <Qo-noS> most of these other package management tools that have sprung up in recent years e.g. apt4rpm, yum, swaret, slapt-get, pacman, prt-get drew at least part of their inspiration from Debian's APT. The strength of Debian and hence Debian-related distros like Ubuntu lies with debian's huge pool of packages and repositories and integration of package config in debconf
[06:47] <|QuaD|> bleeding edge is good for home use
[06:47] <|QuaD|> you don't realize how good you have it with apt
[06:47] <|QuaD|> till you leave it
[06:47] <Witigonen> Qo-noS, Ahh, alright.  Thanks.
[06:47] <Rene_S> True, I hate having to wait for a Gentoo app to compile
[06:48] <blacknyx> i haven't had anything with apt yet.
[06:48] <Qo-noS> Rene_S: heh ;)
[06:48] <|QuaD|> blacknyx: i tried gentoo for a while... i decided its not worth the time to compile stuff
[06:48] <meatwad> anyone know how to swap out metacity for sawfish as the window manager gnome uses in ubuntu?
[06:48] <Rene_S> I started my first Gentoo compile when i was a young man, now I am aged hehe
[06:48] <Rene_S> and I am still waiting
[06:48] <hypa7ia> gentoo took a day of my life
[06:49] <hypa7ia> that's a day i'll never get back :-(
[06:49] <Adrenal> is there anyway to theme gaim?
[06:49] <blacknyx> |Quad|:  I had it for a few days, it was such a pain.
[06:49] <hypa7ia> http://www.eghetto.ca/~msviolet/Humour/gentoo.jpg
[06:49] <|QuaD|> yeah
[06:49] <|QuaD|> debian is great
[06:49] <|QuaD|> i miss it
[06:49] <|QuaD|> and i have only not used it for a week
[06:49] <|QuaD|> though debian kde support has been lagging
[06:50] <Rene_S> The thing thats so nice about Linux as a rule is that people find a distro that works for them and there happy that way, almost everyone I know hates Windows ....
[06:50] <|QuaD|> hehe yeah
[06:50] <|QuaD|> the two i found that i like is mandrake and debian
[06:51] <|QuaD|> i reccomend mandrake to anyone starting off in linux
[06:51] <Adrenal> is there anyway to add window transperency
[06:51] <blacknyx> Rene_S:  I agree, but I wish I had partition magic right now to try to fix my other hard drive.
[06:51] <Adrenal> ?
[06:51] <Rene_S> I like Yoper for some reason and I love this cause I am a Debian junkie and Gnome works nice
[06:51] <blacknyx> I cant find anything to try to fix it with on linux.
[06:51] <hypa7ia> qtparted blacknyx?  jsut run it in knoppix or somethin
[06:52] <Rene_S> Hmm Knoppix makes a good fix it cd
[06:52] <hypa7ia> that it does
[06:53] <Rene_S> I usually get lazy though and use the Mandrake CD 1 and repartition with that
[06:53] <|QuaD|> so, i am hoping for honesty here, do you guys really think ubuntu is a step up from debian? i don't want to make it 3 installs in a week (would prefer to stay at 2)
[06:53] <|QuaD|> Rene_S: I thought i was the only one that did that!
[06:53] <|QuaD|> lol
[06:53] <|QuaD|> i did that this summer
[06:53] <blacknyx> hypa7ia:  Should I run Knoppix on my corrupted hard drive?
[06:54] <hypa7ia> |QuaD|: i really really do
[06:54] <Rene_S> Dunno about a step up, it seems to be a step forward in making Debian more user friendly
[06:54] <|QuaD|> any quick couple word answers/
[06:54] <Witigonen> |QuaD|, having no experience with Debian itself (except for one really bad night back in the eighth grade with a 486) so I can't say.  I'm enjoying it, though.
[06:54] <hypa7ia> blacknyx: i don't know really
[06:54] <|QuaD|> ok :)
[06:54] <|QuaD|> how does it make it more user friendly?
[06:54] <blacknyx> hypa7ia:  thanks for the suggestion though, I wasnt even aware of this program.
[06:54] <hypa7ia> no problemo
[06:55] <Rene_S> Personally I like Ubuntu because the Gnome desktop works, its fairly snappy, the people in the forums and here are nice and its a Debian based distro
[06:55] <[lsd] > the big thing in making it more user-friendly than debian is the release cycle
[06:56] <|QuaD|> i am having a hard time seeing what makes it one step up
[06:56] <[lsd] > you can install a stable, supported version that's pretty up-to-date
[06:56] <Rene_S> Hey I like the 4 year between releases hehe
[06:56] <[lsd] > rather than forcing people to run testing or unstable to get recent stuff
[06:56] <Rene_S> FreeBSD had 4 years between 4 and 5
[06:56] <[lsd] > Rene_S: it's great for some things :) perhaps not great for user desktops though
[06:57] <|QuaD|> llooking at osdir's screenshots... it looks like ubuntu installs one webbrowser, one email client, one irc, etc ... is that true?
[06:57] <|QuaD|> obviously with the option for more later?
[06:57] <[lsd] > pretty much
[06:57] <|QuaD|> nice
[06:57] <[lsd] > the base distribution is kept fairly minimal in terms of application choice
[06:57] <|QuaD|> thats good
[06:57] <[lsd] > it covers lots of functions, but with only really one app of each type
[06:57] <Rene_S> Yeah after all it needs to fit on one cd
[06:57] <[lsd] > yeah i think it works really well
[06:58] <|QuaD|> this might sound like a dumb question, but how long does the install of this take? i wanna plan my time tomorrow :)
[06:58] <Witigonen> |QuaD|, shouldn't take more than half an hour.  Fifteen minutes?  Ten?
[06:58] <Rene_S> I took me around 30 mins
[06:58] <|QuaD|> wow... debian is like twice that
[06:58] <[lsd] > the installer asks very few questions
[06:58] <blacknyx> took me about 30 minutes, but thats because I was changing partitions.
[06:59] <|QuaD|> then xserver setup always takes me 30 minutes
[06:59] <|QuaD|> damn dual monitors
[06:59] <Rene_S> Yoper installs in like 7 and a half mins
[06:59] <[lsd] > ah you'll have to do that manually after the install
[06:59] <[lsd] > or at least, i did
[06:59] <|QuaD|> yeah
[06:59] <|QuaD|> i always do
[06:59] <Witigonen> Mandrake's pretty fast, too.  Fedora is slooooow, though.
[07:00] <hypa7ia> slooooow
[07:00] <hypa7ia> and i have a gig of ram
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[07:00] <[lsd] > the installer configured my 4MB ET6000 as my primary head, instead of the 64mb gf4mx sitting next to it :)
[07:00] <Rene_S> Yeah, I was shocked on how slow a 1 cd install of Fedora core 2 was
[07:00] <[lsd] > which made me laugh
[07:00] <|QuaD|> suse took a while
[07:01] <Rene_S> Mepis's installer has become peppier these days as well
[07:02] <|QuaD|> i really don't understand the differences between the closely related debian distros
[07:02] <|QuaD|> like ubuntu, yoper, mepis
[07:02] <Rene_S> Creator's personal tastes
[07:02] <|QuaD|> just software package choices?
[07:02] <Rene_S> Yoper was created for speed
[07:02] <Witigonen> Strange, strange things happening with Ubuntu that I think are permissions related.
[07:02] <Rene_S> Mepis was created for newbies
[07:03] <[lsd] > many of the ubuntu guys are debian people ticked off with various aspects of debian
[07:03] <|QuaD|> so yoper is faster than ubuntu?
[07:03] <[lsd] > or they seem to be at least
[07:03] <Rene_S> Ubuntu was created for humanity :)
[07:03] <HrdwrBoB> |QuaD|: it's not a mattter of speed
[07:03] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu is about intgeration
[07:03] <Witigonen> 1.  My CD-ROM drive is incredibly, incredibly slow.  2.  Same with DVDs.  3. Whenever doing stuff with said CD-ROM drive, system lags a lot.  4. Whenever I print, my printer warms up, but never actually PRINTS anything.
[07:03] <|QuaD|> integration?
[07:03] <HrdwrBoB> staying up to date, but off the bleeding edge
[07:03] <HrdwrBoB> it's about Just Working
[07:03] <|QuaD|> heh
[07:04] <mdz> Witigonen: 1-3 = DMA not enabled on the drive
[07:04] <Rene_S> Yoper is one of the fastest Linux's ever, however its short on native apps and programs
[07:04] <Witigonen> mdz, excellent.  I'll google on how to check that.
[07:04] <mdz> Witigonen: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom
[07:04] <Rene_S> And i think its gonna run out of money as well
[07:05] <Rene_S> One guy living in New Zealand cant front the bill the way its going now
[07:05] <|QuaD|> oh well, i think i am going to do the ubuntu thing tomorrow night :)
[07:05] <Rene_S> Not everyone has 575 million floating around
[07:05] <mdz> Rene_S: what sort of benchmarks have been done on yoper?
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[07:06] <|QuaD|> does he ever come in here?
[07:06] <desp> any vim specialists here?
[07:06] <mdz> Rene_S: do they do anything besides build with -march=i686?
[07:06] <Rene_S> There was a series of tests performed by some one and posted on there website, the testing boot up, app speed and some other things
[07:06] <hypa7ia> |QuaD|: haven't seen him, but he's active on the wiki and email list it seems
[07:06] <mdz> |QuaD|: yes, quite often actually
[07:07] <|QuaD|> whats his nick?
[07:07] <Rene_S> Unfortunaly the web site is being upgraded so a link isnt gonna help
[07:07] <mdz> desp: it's generally better to just ask your question; if someone can answer, they'll hear
[07:07] <Witigonen> mdz, thank you so much.  Ripping is going incredibly well, and I'll test the DVD playback in a minute.
[07:07] <Rene_S> they strip there builds and then prelink the hell out of everything
[07:07] <mdz> Witigonen: unfortunately, there are too many CD-ROM drives out there which don't work properly with DMA enabled, so it is disabled by default
[07:08] <Witigonen> Ahhh
[07:08] <Witigonen> mdz, that explains it :)
[07:08] <desp> mdz: right. well, whenever I try to open an existing file with vim/gvim, it displays both the beginning and the end of the file, which is rather odd to me, a novice. :P
[07:08] <desp> so, how can I get it do display the file as one contiguous area?
[07:08] <Tsjoklat> nano -w
[07:08] <Rene_S> Yoper is like a Linux from scratch with some linux speed tricks
[07:08] <mdz> |QuaD|: sabdfl
[07:09] <Tsjoklat> desp: nano -w
[07:09] <desp> Tsjoklat: you're really helpful!
[07:09] <|QuaD|> oh
[07:09] <Tsjoklat> :)
[07:09] <desp> sigh
[07:09] <mdz> desp: I've never seen the behaviour you describe
[07:09] <desp> ha...
[07:09] <desp> ok, thanks.
[07:10] <desp> mdz: are there any config files used by vim that could've gone bad?
[07:10] <mdz> desp: there are config files which could have been changed, but if you leave them alone they generally don't spoil ;-)
[07:11] <Tsjoklat> desp: it's a good idea to make a backup dir... and put all the org files in there (copied) so if you do mess up.. you can copy them back
[07:11] <desp> generally, yeah.
[07:11] <desp> Tsjoklat: uh huh
[07:12] <Tsjoklat> that's what I do.. and I needed it many times :)
[07:12] <Witigonen> ...whoah.  Heh. Oops.
[07:12] <Witigonen> I guess installing the right printer might have something to do with it.  I installed the 1750 instead of the 1710.  Heh.
[07:13] <|QuaD|> alrihgt...bedtime
[07:13] <|QuaD|> i will be around tomorrow when i install it :)
[07:13] <Witigonen> G'night, |QuaD|.
[07:14] <Rene_S> Toodles
[07:15] <geppy> What is the preferred method of installing J2RE on Ubuntu?
[07:15] <Rene_S> Hmm odd, I have a Linux distro in German and one in Chinese
[07:15] <Qo-noS> Rene_S: Chinese? hmmm
[07:16] <stephen_> hello. i'm looking for some help on why a "make" command would bail? Braind new ubuntu installation...
[07:16] <Rene_S> Yeah, Berry Linux is chinese or japanese or something
[07:16] <desp> ahhh.
[07:16] <geppy> stephen_ what does it say in the console?
[07:16] <Qo-noS> Rene_S: ah
[07:17] <desp> mhz: it's the folds mechanism automatically applying to all my LaTeX documents I was trying to edit
[07:17] <Rene_S> The german one is from a government ministry
[07:17] <stephen_> geppy: i should explain. trying to run a script that came from the minitar.com website. drivers for a wifi pcmcia card...
[07:17] <[lsd] > do you have make (and gcc  etc. for that matter) installed?
[07:17] <desp> mdz: it's the folds mechanism automatically applying to all my LaTeX documents I was trying to edit
[07:17] <desp> :)
[07:17] <stephen_> ii am pretty syre that i have gcc installed. i thought that make installed as part of the c++ files??
[07:17] <Rene_S> Someplace around my house I still have a copy of Storm Linux from like 1998
[07:18] <[lsd] > try an apt-get install make just to double-check
[07:18] <yohannes> hi, how do i execute *.bin file?
[07:18] <geppy> sh ./*.bin
[07:18] <stephen_> geppy, the error message is lsd: yep, latest installed already...
[07:18] <geppy> er, run
[07:19] <geppy> lsd"
[07:19] <geppy> That's all that you're getting?
[07:19] <stephen_> the error message is... make[1] : Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386'
[07:19] <stephen_> make[1] : Makefile: No such file or directory
[07:19] <stephen_> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `Makefile'.  Stop.
[07:19] <stephen_> make[1] : Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386'
[07:19] <stephen_> rt2400.ko failed to build!
[07:19] <stephen_> make: *** [module]  Error 1
[07:19] <[lsd] > ah
[07:19] <[lsd] > you need kernel headers
[07:19] <stephen_> i thought they were installed too? how do I check?
[07:19] <[lsd] > i think the package you need is linux-headers-2.6.8.1-something
[07:19] <[lsd] > not sure exactly
[07:19] <stephen_> (i love linux geeks, we're so helpful!)
[07:20] <[lsd] > hmm there's a package called linux-kernel-headers
[07:20] <[lsd] > i guess that's an alias to whatever the appropriate version is
[07:20] <[lsd] > try installing that :)
[07:20] <Rene_S> Yeah, everything I know about Linux i learned from Google
[07:20] <stephen_> lol...
[07:21] <stephen_> synaptic tells me that the headers are installed. i also suspect that it might be a symlink problem.
[07:21] <schifo> guys
[07:21] <schifo> how long does it take to compile the kernel
[07:21] <stephen_> the script i downloaded assumes every english speaking linux user is using rh...
[07:21] <schifo> been at it for 40 mins
[07:21] <hypa7ia> schifo: that's normal
[07:21] <crimsun> depends on the options you selected and the speed of your machine
[07:21] <hypa7ia> how fast is your machine schifo?
[07:21] <schifo> 1.6ghz
[07:22] <Tsjoklat> and how many modules you are building
[07:22] <schifo> 2
[07:22] <stephen_> lsd... when u said "try installing that", what did you mean?
[07:22] <[lsd] > apt-get install linux-kernel-headers
[07:22] <[lsd] > but looking at it now
[07:23] <[lsd] > it sounds like they may well be installed
[07:23] <stephen_> i'll try it anyway... hang on a sec...
[07:23] <[lsd] > but if it's expecting a makefile in there, it might be disappointed
[07:24] <stephen_> i think that is what the script is doing.
[07:24] <geppy> What is the preferred method of installing J2RE on Ubuntu?
[07:24] <[lsd] > i hope you don't have to end up building a kernel, and then building the driver against that :/
[07:24] <[lsd] > geppy: there's a FAQ on the website i think
[07:24] <geppy> Thanks.
[07:25] <stephen_> lsd: apt-get reports latest version of the kernel-headers installed...
[07:25] <[lsd] > ah okay
[07:26] <geppy> lsd:  It just says that it's unsupported.  Does that mean that I should install the sun .run file?
[07:26] <[lsd] > geppy: i think so y eah
[07:26] <geppy> Thanks.
[07:27] <[lsd] > i could have sworn i read a more comprehensive guide to it on the ubuntu website the other day
[07:27] <[lsd] > but i can't find it now
[07:28] <stephen_> has anyone else tried to install wifi drivers for a minitar pcmcia card?
[07:28] <Tsjoklat> lsd: maybe the wiki page
[07:28] <[lsd] > Tsjoklat: ah i think you might be right
[07:29] <[lsd] > http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[07:29] <[lsd] > bingo
[07:29] <htaccess> hi ive just installed on a toshiba satelite pro 4300 laptop, when ubuntu boots there is a black x laft in the middle of the screen, you know the x that always appears when the xserver starts, but it doesnt go away, the mouse cursor works fine.
[07:30] <htaccess> any suggestions on howto remove the x?
[07:30] <hypa7ia> htaccess: lemme find it on the wiki for ya, it's a known bug
[07:31] <htaccess> hypa7ia, cool, thanks, known bugs are much better than unknown ones ;)
[07:31] <hypa7ia> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/hwcursor
[07:32] <hypa7ia> that they are htaccess :-)
[07:32] <htaccess> hypa7ia, thankyou kindly
[07:32] <hypa7ia> rock on!  i found something i needed when searching for that :-)
[07:32] <hypa7ia> no problemo, glad to help
[07:33] <Tsjoklat> go hypa :)
[07:33] <Rene_S> Wish someone told me about the known bugs in my marriage :)
[07:33] <stephen_> can anyone spare a 1 on 1 conversation? i'm trying to install minitar wifi drivers. think i'm having kernel problems tho...
[07:33] <Tsjoklat> Rene: love is blind and marriage is the eye opener
[07:33] <Tsjoklat> that's all you need to know
[07:34] <hypa7ia> haha nice one Tsjoklat :-)
[07:34] <Tsjoklat> lol
[07:34] <Rene_S> Didn't know about all the dependancy problems before hand
[07:34] <hypa7ia> stephen_: don't think i can help you with that :-(
[07:34] <Witigonen> There's this hilarious quote in The 300 Spartans, but since I want to keep my spleen, I'm not going to say it.
[07:34] <hypa7ia> saaaay it!
[07:35] <Witigonen> Bah, let me see if I can find it.
[07:35] <bwiti> hey doing a pxe install...
[07:36] <bwiti> and in the /etc/dhcpd.conf, do I add the mac address of the computer i am installing to or the host?
[07:36] <Tsjoklat> Rene you only got a real problem if you are in marriage two and up
[07:36] <bwiti> done it before, but cant remember
[07:36] <Tsjoklat> hehe you didn't learn much from the first time then
[07:36] <bwiti> well? any ideas?
[07:37] <Rene_S> True, been at this 10 years.  Seem's to me I can live with the bugs now
[07:37] <Tsjoklat> you'll be fine I would reckon... heheh
[07:37] <hypa7ia> bwiti: i'd think the target comptuer
[07:37] <hypa7ia> the one you're installing on
[07:37] <Rene_S> Yeah the wife is a good ole gal, only gonna trade her in for 2 sheep and a llama
[07:38] <hypa7ia> but the real question Rene_S: is she running linux :-)
[07:38] <Tsjoklat> go for alpacas Rene
[07:39] <hypa7ia> haha, best person-for-sale story
[07:39] <Rene_S> NO, she looks confused when she see's me using it
[07:39] <hypa7ia> aww, you gotta get her on it :-)
[07:39] <Rene_S> I am gonna slip here a live disc oneday and see what happens
[07:39] <hypa7ia> Rene_S: as much as i hate suse, try the suse livecd. it's very windowstacular
[07:39] <Rene_S> Wow i am tiring starting to spell worse than a 3 year old
[07:40] <Witigonen> Whoah... how very strange... On a umount -f I'm getting, "/dev/sda10: not mounted, /mnt/sda10: Illegal seek" and then a "device is busy" on a failed umount with the error "Device or Resource busy".  I can't think of anything that could be using it, though.
[07:40] <Rene_S> I got a bunch of Live CD's kicking around gonna try one out on her machine soon
[07:41] <Rene_S> would make filesharing easier
[07:41] <hypa7ia> my plan is to get a fileserver / remote box going in my house
[07:41] <hypa7ia> show the two roomies how to vnc into it to download crap off the university DC++ hub
[07:42] <Rene_S> Mine is to make sure my fridge never out performs my PC
[07:42] <hypa7ia> and they'll like that so much that i'll just have to put them on linux
[07:42] <hypa7ia> well, maybe not the one with the mac.  she can stay in osx
[07:42] <hypa7ia> but the other... i am sick of clearing spyware off her compy :-/
[07:42] <Tsjoklat> hypa your wife is on osx?
[07:42] <Witigonen> Why doesn't the right-click menu ever work in Nautilus in a mounted drive?
[07:43] <phill> how would i mount an ftp as a folder?
[07:43] <hypa7ia> not my wife, my roomie Tsjoklat
[07:43] <hypa7ia> <-- is in unimiversity
[07:43] <hypa7ia> <--also is not a guy
[07:43] <Tsjoklat> well you could still have a wife lol
[07:43] <hypa7ia> that i could, that i could :-)
[07:44] <hypa7ia> yay canuckistan
[07:44] <Tsjoklat> lol
[07:44] <Tsjoklat> I knew you are not a bloke hypa... but you could have had/have a wife
[07:44] <Tsjoklat> who knows.. some ppl collect stamps.. others wives
[07:44] <Rene_S> Ill stick to stamps
[07:45] <Rene_S> One wife is plenty for me
[07:45] <Tsjoklat> I'll stick to my cats
[07:45] <Tsjoklat> I got four
[07:45] <Tsjoklat> my babies
[07:45] <hypa7ia> there's been a lot of jokes up here of late about marrying americans so that they can move here
[07:45] <Rene_S> I got 2 Jack russel terriers
[07:45] <Tsjoklat> you are canuck hypa?
[07:45] <hypa7ia> it's especially funny if they're of the same sex :-)
[07:45] <hypa7ia> that i am
[07:45] <Tsjoklat> you best be proud :)
[07:45] <Tsjoklat> I got a friend that had to move to CA to marry her gf
[07:45] <Rene_S> Deep down inside we are all Canadians
[07:46] <Tsjoklat> and even deeper down Canadians are all Europeans
[07:46] <hypa7ia> haha
[07:46] <hypa7ia> one of my friend's msn nicks has been for the past week:
[07:46] <hypa7ia> "canada has decided to pack up and move to europe.  for convenience, we are taking alaska with us"
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> LOL
[07:47] <Rene_S> Hehhe
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> God that is hilarious
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> I remember when I saw your nick for the first time hypa
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> it was very late/early and I read hymen
[07:47] <hypa7ia> http://www.michaelmoore.com/_images/splash/usofcanada.jpg
[07:47] <hypa7ia> haha
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> I was like.. well that's orginal
[07:47] <jmhodges> hypa7ia: i like that msn nick :D
[07:47] <hypa7ia> it's actually kinda funny... my name irl is leigh
[07:48] <Rene_S> Mines Bob
[07:48] <hypa7ia> and i picked hypatia for my irc nick... she was an ancience greek mathematician
[07:48] <Rene_S> dunno why i call myself Rene
[07:48] <hypa7ia> but apparently there was also a porn star named....
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> identity crisis Rene
[07:48] <hypa7ia> *drumroll*
[07:48] <hypa7ia> hypatia lee
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> hahaha too f unny
[07:48] <jmhodges> hehe
[07:48] <Rene_S> Hypatia Lee
[07:48] <Rene_S> woot
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> go hypa
[07:48] <Rene_S> Classic Porn
[07:48] <hypa7ia> tooootally coincidental :-)
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> mines is Des.. and I got a very huge obsession with chocolate
[07:49] <Tsjoklat> sureeeeeeeeeee hypa
[07:49] <hypa7ia> really!  it was!
[07:49] <hypa7ia> my ex loved 70's porn, found out from him
[07:49] <Rene_S> Jesusland lol
[07:49] <Tsjoklat> LOL
[07:49] <Rene_S> I can almost see that
[07:49] <Tsjoklat> the music always cracks me up hypa
[07:50] <hypa7ia> my slashdot sig now reads "from just north of gilead"
[07:50] <jmhodges> hypa7ia: hah
[07:50] <hypa7ia> we'll see how long i go before getting flamed for that :-)
[07:50] <Tsjoklat> we use to have chocolate from my grandmother.. from a factory from Indonesia that was named: tjoklat
[07:51] <hypa7ia> thank goodness for the +1 karma bonus
[07:51] <Tsjoklat> well ad one and one
[07:51] <hypa7ia> why the s then Tsjoklat?
[07:51] <Tsjoklat> tjoklat was taken lol
[07:51] <hypa7ia> haha doh!
[07:51] <phill> how would i mount an ftp as a folder?
[07:51] <Tsjoklat> and it sounded better I think
[07:51] <hypa7ia> yeah, that's why there's a 7 in my name
[07:52] <htaccess> hypa7ia, thanks x gone now
[07:52] <Tsjoklat> my alter nick is DLite
[07:52] <Tsjoklat> D from my first name and Lite well... I could be a shining light? if I really tried?
[07:52] <hypa7ia> haha, well, you're helpful on here
[07:52] <Tsjoklat> on my website it reads: name... Dee Lizious
[07:52] <hypa7ia> awesome htaccess :-)
[07:52] <Tsjoklat> goes with Tsjoklat
[07:53] <hypa7ia> nice
[07:53] <hypa7ia> i used to be pandorasvox everywhere
[07:53] <Tsjoklat> I sometimes have this brain spurs lol
[07:53] <Tsjoklat> but I do wonder about Bob/Rene now
[07:53] <hypa7ia> then i was secretsoflife
[07:53] <hypa7ia> but now, hypatia it is :-)
[07:53] <Tsjoklat> I like it hypa :)
[07:53] <hypa7ia> moi aussi
[07:53] <Tsjoklat> and I am sorry if I read hymen the first time
[07:53] <hypa7ia> no worries :-)
[07:54] <Tsjoklat> we shall blame that on my dyslexia :)
[07:54] <hypa7ia> i even got hypatia.ca! nothing there now tho
[07:54] <hypa7ia> lol
[07:54] <Tsjoklat> lol
[07:54] <hypa7ia> and soon home.hypatia.ca will point to my house!
[07:54] <Tsjoklat> Rene... we want to know how you went from Bob to Rene
[07:54] <hypa7ia> while the main site will be on my server in florida
[07:54] <Tsjoklat> what part of CA are you? west? east?
[07:54] <hypa7ia> toronto
[07:54] <Witigonen> brb
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> too lazy to look hypa
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> are you in the French speaking part?
[07:55] <schifo> Tsjoklat
[07:55] <schifo> it finally finished
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> schifo
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> woooo
[07:55] <schifo> whats the next step sir
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> ma'am
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> well read da page I flopped at you
[07:56] <Tsjoklat> gotta install the .deb now
[07:56] <Tsjoklat> do you know the peanuts hypa?
[07:56] <schifo> but im scared though
[07:56] <schifo> will it screw up grub
[07:56] <Tsjoklat> of what?
[07:56] <hypa7ia> Tsjoklat: i'm in toronto, capital of ontario, the big anglo province
[07:56] <Tsjoklat> nooooo
[07:56] <schifo> k
[07:56] <Tsjoklat> it won't screw up grub
[07:56] <hypa7ia> Tsjoklat: peanuts?
[07:56] <Tsjoklat> I feel like Peppermint Patty... when everybody keeps calling me Sir
[07:57] <Tsjoklat> yeah
[07:57] <hypa7ia> har har
[07:57] <hypa7ia> we need to add somethign to the topic
[07:57] <hypa7ia> "please do not assume that everyone here is male, kthx
[07:57] <Tsjoklat> yes that would be awesome
[07:57] <Tsjoklat> drives me bonkers when they msg me saying: dude
[07:57] <hypa7ia> durn, no ops around
[07:57] <hypa7ia> yeah, seriously!
[07:58] <Tsjoklat> or: are you really a chick? I always reply with: are you really a pig?
[07:58] <hypa7ia> lol
[07:58] <Tsjoklat> blimey
[07:58] <hypa7ia> our LUG is trying to figure how how to get more women involved
[07:58] <logic> Hello ladies
[07:58] <Tsjoklat> hello logic
[07:58] <logic> hehe
[07:58] <hypa7ia> lol logic
[07:58] <Tsjoklat> logic is waving a white flag!
[07:58] <logic> I don't want no trouble
[07:59] <Tsjoklat> no trouble from me logic
[07:59] <Witigonen> I need help with a find command.
[07:59] <Tsjoklat> what find command?
[07:59] <Witigonen> I need to find all the files of a certain type and delete them.
[07:59] <Tsjoklat> from where? from what?
[07:59] <Tsjoklat> a package you installed?
[07:59] <Witigonen> No, music files of a certain type.
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> are they in one folder?
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> or on your whole box?
[08:00] <GammaRay> Witigonen: do they have the same extension?
[08:00] <Witigonen> GammaRay, they do.
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> Witi: first do this
[08:00] <Witigonen> Tsjoklat, they are in many subdirectories in one folder.
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> sudo updatedb
[08:00] <GammaRay> Witigonen: find -iname "*.ehatever" | xargs rm
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> it takes a file
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> do the update first Witi.. that way you are sure to remove EVERYTHING
[08:01] <GammaRay> forget locate
[08:01] <Tsjoklat> won't work if he hasn't done an updatedb
[08:01] <Tsjoklat> locate/find won't find swat
[08:01] <GammaRay> find will work fine
[08:02] <Tsjoklat> no comment
[08:02] <GammaRay> Witigonen: that searches the current dir
[08:02] <htaccess> Witigonen, find . -name '*.mp3'
[08:03] <GammaRay> Witigonen: you can put a path after the word find
[08:03] <schifo> Tsjoklat, what about this: Be sure you say "no" when the script asks if you want to install a boot block using the existing /etc/lilo.conf. That
[08:04] <htaccess> Witigonen, check out http://www.linux-mag.com/2002-09/power_01.html
[08:04] <schifo> after installing kernel using dpkg -i kernel-image.deb
[08:04] <Tsjoklat> what do you mean schifo?
[08:04] <htaccess> and http://www.linux-mag.com/2001-04/newbies_01.html
[08:06] <logic> I want to install the Windows fonts - corefonts I think they're called - on Ubuntu - anyone know if these are available via apt?
[08:06] <hypa7ia> yup logic, msttcorefonts
[08:06] <hypa7ia> might need to enable universe
[08:07] <hypa7ia> err no, i think they're just in restricted
[08:07] <Tsjoklat> get xfonts-artwiz too logic.. very nice
[08:07] <hypa7ia> oh thanks for reminding me Tsjoklat
[08:07] <Witigonen> Okay... well... I'm getting an 'xargs: unmatched single quote" error.
[08:07] <logic> Thanks
[08:07] <Tsjoklat> Witi did you do the updatedb?
[08:08] <Witigonen> Tsjoklat, yes.
[08:09] <Tsjoklat> cd to /
[08:09] <Witigonen> Alright.
[08:09] <Tsjoklat> rm *.extension
[08:09] <Tsjoklat> but it is tricky
[08:10] <Tsjoklat> I would really try to do a locate *.extention first
[08:10] <GammaRay> logic: here is where I got them
[08:10] <GammaRay> logic: deb ftp://ftp.mowgli.ch/pub/debian/ sarge unofficial
[08:10] <Tsjoklat> to see where it is and where to remove it
[08:10] <Witigonen> Tsjoklat, did it.
[08:10] <Tsjoklat> did it give you a list of where it is located?
[08:10] <Witigonen> Tsjoklat, where THEY are located, yeah.  There are quite a few of them.
[08:10] <GammaRay> Witigonen: ok try this then
[08:11] <Tsjoklat> well do one dir at the time and redo the locate command
[08:11] <Tsjoklat> that's what I would do
[08:11] <GammaRay> Witigonen: find -iname "*.ehatever" -exec rm "{}" \;
[08:11] <logic> Thx GammaRay :)
[08:11] <hypa7ia> GammaRay: you don't need to add that rep to get msttcorefonts
[08:11] <GammaRay> hypa7ia: I'm all ears
[08:11] <Tsjoklat> I have copied a lot of win fonts into my nix box.. works great
[08:12] <Witigonen> GammaRay, that worked, thanks.
[08:12] <Tsjoklat> it was logic that wanted the fonts hypa
[08:12] <GammaRay> Witigonen: ofcourse it did (-;
[08:13] <hypa7ia> i know Tsjoklat but GammaRay pointed logic to a faraway repository when i think they're in ubuntu restricted
[08:13] <Tsjoklat> wb Ruffian
[08:13] <Tsjoklat> bye Ruffian
[08:13] <Tsjoklat> lol
[08:13] <hypa7ia> or possibly universe
[08:13] <Ruffian|JANE|> bye
[08:13] <Tsjoklat> ah okay I missed that hypa excuse moi
[08:13] <Tsjoklat> that was pretty tame for you Ruffian
[08:13] <Tsjoklat> was expecting a five line yelling match :)
[08:13] <bratsche> Anyone using Hoary updated Evolution?
[08:14] <logic> hypa7ia: Yeah found em in synaptic without adding any reps thanks
[08:14] <Tsjoklat> whats the prob bratsche
[08:14] <hypa7ia> np logic
[08:14] <Tsjoklat> I took the plunge hypa
[08:14] <Tsjoklat> did it this weekend
[08:14] <hypa7ia> i'm waiting a month
[08:14] <Tsjoklat> I wish I had
[08:14] <hypa7ia> hahah, doh :-(
[08:14] <bratsche> Tsjoklat: It doesn't seem to download POP mail anymore.  I switched over to my Fedora partition using Evo 2.0 and it worked fine, so it's not the server.
[08:15] <bratsche> Tsjoklat: Ever since I upgraded to Evo 2.1 in Hoary, it stopped downloading mail.
[08:15] <Tsjoklat> I heard of probs with it bratsche.. might want to check the bug site
[08:15] <bratsche> Okay.
[08:15] <Tsjoklat> you could always downgrade
[08:15] <Tsjoklat> if it is a problem (which it sounds it is)
[08:15] <Tsjoklat> nothing major hypa.. just minor twitches here and there
[08:15] <Witigonen> Hrrrmmm.. Okay, every time I try to add a directory to xmms it just crashes.
[08:16] <bratsche> How do you do that?  I thought Synaptic just shows the newest packages?
[08:16] <Witigonen> With a segmentation fault.
[08:16] <Tsjoklat> bratsche: go to cd /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:16] <Tsjoklat> do ls -l evolution*
[08:16] <GammaRay> Witigonen: recompile xmms w/ CFLAGS=-g and run gdb on it (-;
[08:16] <Tsjoklat> see the older version: do sudo dpkg -i filename
[08:17] <Tsjoklat> after you have done that you may want to lock the evo version you like...  until they got it fixed
[08:17] <Rene_S> I updated to Hoary but I ended up downgrading Evolution
[08:17] <Witigonen> It doesn't matter if I run it as root or not, so it's not a permissions thing.
[08:18] <Tsjoklat> Rene... what about the nick lol.. I haven't forgotten it yet
[08:18] <Tsjoklat> did it work bratsche?
[08:19] <GammaRay> Witigonen: atleast it's consistant
[08:19] <Rene_S> I was only Kidding about the Bob thing, Rene is my name,  Mother thought it was an elegant name for a boy
[08:19] <bratsche> Tsjoklat: Yes, it looks like it fixed it.  Thanks!
[08:19] <Tsjoklat> oooh
[08:19] <Tsjoklat> well it is.. nice name
[08:19] <hypa7ia> s/elegant/um, something else
[08:19] <hypa7ia> heheh
[08:19] <hypa7ia> i like it actually
[08:19] <bratsche> Tsjoklat: I don't suppose you know how to fix the spam filtering do you?
[08:19] <Tsjoklat> great bratsche :) do you need me to help you lock your evo version?
[08:19] <Rene_S> I no longer communicate with my mother
[08:20] <Witigonen> GammaRay, How true.  I deleted .xmms from my home dir and reinstalled it via apt, no luck there.
[08:20] <hypa7ia> and heck.  i have a pretty genderneutral name too, so whatevv
[08:20] <Rene_S> You would be surprised how many people rhyme Rene with another not so flatering word
[08:20] <Tsjoklat> no I use spamassian on my router bratsche.. no spam no nothing :)
[08:20] <Tsjoklat> wait until your name is desiree...
[08:20] <Tsjoklat> you constantly have bowel problems
[08:20] <Tsjoklat> according to others
[08:21] <bratsche> Okay, well thanks anyway.
[08:21] <Rene_S> Hmm i dont get the corelation, I am a tad slow today
[08:21] <Tsjoklat> diarea
[08:21] <bratsche> I don't suppose anyone else has Evolution correctly filtering spam on Ubuntu?
[08:21] <Tsjoklat> or how ever you spell it
[08:22] <Rene_S> I dont get spam so I dunno
[08:22] <Witigonen> Beep is working, though.
[08:23] <GammaRay> Witigonen: apt-get source xmms; cd xmms*/; export CFLAGS=-g; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b
[08:24] <GammaRay> hmm 11 minutes to ER
[08:24] <Rene_S> another Rainman wannbe :)
[08:25] <Witigonen> GammaRay, fakeroot : command not found.
[08:25] <GammaRay> Witigonen: apt-get install guess-what
[08:25] <Witigonen> hehe.
[08:25] <Tsjoklat> sudo apt-get build-essential something
[08:26] <Rene_S> Ok, now i am getting tired, I almost typed that
[08:26] <geppy> hahaha
[08:26] <geppy> bed'
[08:27] <Tsjoklat> night geppy
[08:27] <geppy> 'night
[08:27] <bratsche> Tsjoklat: Yes, so how do I lock Evolution at 2.0.2 now?
[08:28] <Tsjoklat> ok open up synaptic
[08:29] <bratsche> Okay.
[08:29] <Tsjoklat> search evolution
[08:29] <Tsjoklat> see the one you installed
[08:29] <Tsjoklat> with a green block in front of it
[08:29] <bratsche> k
[08:29] <Tsjoklat> version 2.0.2
[08:29] <Tsjoklat> select that
[08:29] <bratsche> Okay.
[08:29] <Tsjoklat> package --> lock: select that
[08:29] <Tsjoklat> it will v
[08:30] <bratsche> Cool, thanks.
[08:30] <Tsjoklat> then a lock will appear and when you do upgrades it won't upgrade
[08:30] <weasello> I'm trying to restart my Apache webserver but it says file not found. Where are such execs usually found? /bin?
[08:30] <Tsjoklat> to the new version that doesn't work for you
[08:31] <Tsjoklat> when you want to unlock it.. same routine... select the package.. go to package click lock version again.. the v will vanish the lock will be gone and you can upgrade it
[08:32] <jdub> weasello: how are you trying to restart it?
[08:32] <tmartin> hi, my rm is not asking me for confimation
[08:32] <tmartin> is there an alias somewhere?
[08:33] <tmartin> i grepped my bashrc but found nothing
[08:33] <jdub> tmartin: see your .bashrc file
[08:33] <tmartin> yea
[08:33] <weasello> jdub: apachectl -k graceful
[08:33] <bwiti> anyone wanna help me with a pxe install... done it before, but having a hard time
[08:33] <jdub> tmartin: did you see /root/.bashrc?
[08:34] <jdub> weasello: do /etc/init.d/apache2 reload
[08:34] <tmartin> no just my user one
[08:34] <tmartin> o yea its in there alright
[08:34] <tmartin> thanks so much
[08:35] <weasello> jdub: great, worked, thx
[08:37] <bwiti> Hey, configuring dhcpd3 to work with a pxe boot... dhcpd3 says not configured to listen on any interface... Do i need server mac addrss in thers somehow?
[08:37] <Rene_S> Well boys and girls thats it for me this evening.  Have your selves a good night
[08:38] <jdub> bwiti: dhcpd.conf needs to have scopes and so on, running on an available interface
[08:39] <bwiti> jdub: scopes? like what? got subnet netmask client mac addrsss..
[08:39] <jdub> yeah, that's a scope - make sure it's actually providing something for an active interface
[08:40] <jdub> bwiti: also, see /etc/default/dhcp3-server
[08:41] <bwiti> jdub, ok now i got a no subnet declaration on eth0... getting better
[08:42] <Witigonen> GammaRay, while that worked, I also found out that it was the xmms-mp4 package that was causing it to crash.
[08:42] <Witigonen> GammaRay, which is sad, since I have a decent number of mp4 files.
[08:43] <Tsjoklat> hey volvo
[08:43] <volvoguy> howdy
[08:43] <Tsjoklat> :)
[08:43] <borgmeister> is anyone having toruble with sound in games like frozen bubble?
[08:43] <volvoguy> hey, is there some trick to getting a samba server up and running on ubuntu?
[08:44] <volvoguy> i installed the necessary packages, edited smb.conf, and keep running into this error message - "session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE"
[08:44] <fabbione> hey volvoguy
[08:45] <volvoguy> hey fabbione
[08:45] <fabbione> check that the samba server is listening on all the interface
[08:45] <volvoguy> and how would i do that?
[08:45] <fabbione> i think it was me restricting it to lo
[08:45] <fabbione> netstat -a | less
[08:45] <Tsjoklat> afk: converting Somatic icons
[08:46] <Witigonen> Hey, anyone have experience here with TransGaming's Cedega or CrossOver Office?
[08:46] <volvoguy> what should i be looking for fabbione?
[08:47] <fabbione> volvoguy: hang on a sec :-)
[08:48] <borgmeister> i wouldnt bother with proper games on my laptop, intel extreme graphics, dont do much >.<
[08:48] <volvoguy> thanks. :) i see a microsoft-ds and netbios-ssn in the "listen" state.
[08:48] <fabbione> volvoguy: exactly.. but netstat should also tell you where they are listening
[08:48] <fabbione> volvoguy: netbios-ns      137/tcp                         # NETBIOS Name Service
[08:49] <fabbione> (/etc/services is your friend)
[08:49] <volvoguy> fabbione: i have a line - tcp 0 0 *:netbios-ssn *:* LISTEN
[08:50] <GnuHippy> how do I find out what kernel I am running?
[08:50] <GnuHippy> Witigonen shoot!
[08:50] <fabbione> volvoguy: it seems correct to me
[08:50] <GnuHippy> ?
[08:50] <volvoguy> fabbione: no port number though.
[08:50] <fabbione> GnuHippy: uname
[08:50] <fabbione> ehm
[08:50] <fabbione> uname -a
[08:50] <Witigonen> GnuHippy, uname -r
[08:50] <fabbione> volvoguy: netbios-ssn is the port
[08:51] <Witigonen> Or, well, -a I guess.
[08:51] <Witigonen> Question, for an athalon-xp processor, do I want the k7 kernel or the 686 kernel?
[08:51] <mrjive> hi *
[08:51] <borgmeister> do you have a athlon xp?
[08:52] <borgmeister> oh srry
[08:52] <borgmeister> yeha k7
[08:52] <Witigonen> Awesome.
[08:52] <fabbione> volvoguy: if you want to see the port numbers just use -n
[08:52] <borgmeister> athlon xp=k7 athlon 64=k8
[08:52] <Witigonen> Ah!
[08:53] <borgmeister> i use 686
[08:53] <borgmeister> p4
[08:53] <borgmeister> btw
[08:53] <Amaranth> Duron processors are k7 too.
[08:53] <Amaranth> But the catch is, not all of them are.
[08:53] <borgmeister> there are very few programs compiled for athlon and p4 seperately
[08:53] <volvoguy> fabbione: ok. it looks like i don't have netbios-ns (name service?) running.
[08:53] <borgmeister> x86 is the common type of app
[08:54] <fabbione> volvoguy: i suggest you to check both smb and nmb logs in /var/log/samba (or something like that)
[08:54] <fabbione> there should be 2 daemons running
[08:54] <fabbione> with the same names
[08:56] <volvoguy> fabbione: ok. i'll check that out. the netbios-ssn appears to be listening on lo.
[08:56] <fabbione> volvoguy: yes. you need to change the config files to listen on all interfaces or the one you need
[08:56] <volvoguy> fabbione: is that in the smb.conf file?
[08:57] <mrjive> ciao fabbione
[08:57] <volvoguy> fabbione: both log files say that their service started.
[08:57] <Witigonen> G'night everyone!
[08:57] <fabbione> volvoguy: yes..
[08:58] <fabbione> volvoguy: it's in smb.conf
[08:58] <fabbione> mrjive: ciao
[08:58] <volvoguy> fabbione: ok. i'll look into that. did you know the man page for smb.conf is HUGE? :-)
[08:58] <fabbione> yes i know :-)
[08:59] <fabbione> volvoguy: gimme a sec only.. i am checking the flags you need
[08:59] <volvoguy> fabbione: thanks! :-)
[09:00] <fabbione>        bind interfaces only (G)
[09:01] <fabbione> that's what you need to look
[09:01] <fabbione>        interfaces (G)
[09:01] <fabbione> or this one
[09:01] <volvoguy> cool. thanks fabbione!
[09:01] <fabbione>        socket address (G)
[09:01] <fabbione> also this one :-)
[09:01] <volvoguy> :-)
[09:01] <fabbione> no problem
[09:01] <fabbione>               Example: socket address = 192.168.2.20
[09:01] <fabbione> :-)
[09:02] <volvoguy> fabbione: i'm surprised that isn't in the default smb.conf somewhere.
[09:03] <fabbione> volvoguy: i think we did patch patch the code to listen on localhost only by default
[09:03] <fabbione> volvoguy: but i am not sure 100%
[09:03] <bwiti> ok maybe it would be easier to copy some files to my hard drive and use lilo, than try to set up pxe...
[09:04] <volvoguy> fabbione: aren't samba shares kind of useless on localhost? ;-)
[09:04] <fabbione> volvoguy: not necessarely.
[11:23] <HWolf> Hm. It's like line 5 on my system, but we'll see
[11:28] <Mithrandir> HWolf: no, that's the wrong one, not the one saying make_resolv_conf () {
[11:29] <HWolf> Ah, got it.
[11:50] <xare> hi
[11:50] <xare> I just installed ubuntu
[11:50] <Treenaks> congratulations :)
[11:50] <xare> and I find myself unable to log in
[11:50] <xare> the second time
[11:50] <Scognito> hi all
[11:50] <Treenaks> is your capslock on?
[11:50] <xare> now I am in in error proof mode
[11:50] <xare> no
[11:50] <Treenaks> xare: ah so you can login
[11:51] <Treenaks> xare: ("it accepts your password")
[11:51] <Treenaks> xare: but the rest doesn't work ?
[11:51] <xare> yeah I seem to have aproblem with gnome
[11:51] <Scognito> is safe to upgrade to hoary?
[11:51] <Scognito> or i may lose the data on my hd
[11:51] <xare> it is the second time it happens
[11:52] <jdub> Scognito: have you used debian sid before?
[11:52] <Scognito> yeah
[11:52] <Scognito> ever
[11:52] <xare> on the 1st time I copied the backup data I had on another partition bat to /home/user
[11:52] <xare> and i found myself already with that problem
[11:52] <Scognito> jdub, sid was my last distribution (i used it since 2-3 years)
[11:53] <xare> I seem to have problems in changing permissions to files and folders even when I am logged in as root
[11:53] <Scognito> so?
[11:53] <jdub> Scognito: so hoary is sid + our changes
[11:54] <jdub> Scognito: it'll move faster, and potentially be more unstable because of that
[11:54] <jdub> Scognito: but if you're into fixing bugs and reporting stuff, and know how to fix a debian machine when things go wrong, go for it :)
[11:54] <Scognito> sure, but i mean, no risk to lose data then
[11:55] <tmartin> hey all, i cant play CDs ?  what the checklist for getting cds to work
[11:55] <Mithrandir> Scognito: of course there's a risk of losing data, but the developers are running it on their systems, so it shouldn't eat your data on purpose.  We do take data loss bugs very seriously as well, mind.
[11:55] <Scognito> :)
[11:56] <Scognito> another partition is better than :)
[11:56] <Scognito> then
[11:56] <Treenaks> tmartin: put CD in drive. Start CD player program. Press "play"
[11:56] <tmartin> well in that case... no sound comes out of mah speakas
[11:56] <Treenaks> tmartin: that should do it.. you might have to enable the volume
[11:56] <Treenaks> tmartin: (in the volume control thingy)
[11:56] <tmartin> of the cd program?
[11:57] <Scognito> tmartin, which program do you use?
[11:57] <tmartin> um i guess its whatever is staritng up.. cd player
[11:58] <tmartin> i can play mp3s ok
[11:58] <tmartin> ive tried playing the cd in xmms but its not working in their either
[11:59] <tmartin> do i need to connect the cd cable from my drive to my soundcard?
[11:59] <jdub> yes
[11:59] <tmartin> thats not necessary under win Xp so iono
[12:00] <tmartin> ah crap because the metal prongs on the male connect are broken
[12:00] <tmartin> connector*
[12:00] <tmartin> why cant the cd info just go over the system bus
[12:01] <paperflake> hi
[12:01] <paperflake> having probs getting the xserver started
[12:02] <tmartin> so theres nothing i can do m8?
[12:03] <jdub> tmartin: check the xmms cd plugin configuration, it might do digital extraction
[12:03] <phill> Hi, whats a decent gui bittorrent client that doesn't screw around with ratios for those of us who are upload limited (ala bittornado)
[12:03] <tmartin> jdub thx it works
[12:04] <Scognito> phill, i use azureus
[12:04] <tmartin> i assume therees no lose in quality?
[12:04] <Scognito> very very cool
[12:04] <phill> without java?
[12:04] <jdub> tmartin: it's digital.
[12:04] <tmartin> since the cd is digital
[12:04] <tmartin> ah you beat me to it
[12:04] <tmartin> then why is there an analog connector?
[12:05] <phill> if you don't have that plugged in, and you can play cd's, then it's digital
[12:05] <paperflake> it tells me the fonts are not installed or correct, any1 had anything similar ?
[12:05] <phill> it used to be cd drives were made so you couild play audio through the sound card without a cd player
[12:05] <phill> it's like a legacy kind of thing
[12:05] <phill> now software can read straight from the disc
[12:05] <phill> no worries
[12:06] <tmartin> oh ok
[12:06] <tmartin> thats why some older drives have the play button on teh front?
[12:06] <toxicsludge> ok, PXE booted, got the installer to start, having a hard time configuring the mirror...
[12:06] <toxicsludge> any ideas?
[12:07] <phill> tmartin: yep
[12:10] <Scognito> one question
[12:10] <nefertati> i cant log on to ubuntu. the error message says: your session only lasted less than 10 sec.if you have not logged out yourself,this could meant that there is some installation problem or that you are out of disk space.
[12:11] <Scognito> lsmod tells me vesafb is loaded, but i have no fb
[12:11] <Scognito> i'm usinga nvidia card
[12:11] <nefertati> so i am new to linux and i dont what to do. :( can someone help....
[12:13] <Scognito> nefertati, mmm
[12:13] <Scognito> you have diskspace ok, right?
[12:14] <nefertati> scognito :yes
[12:14] <Scognito> nefertati, i had this problem some time ago
[12:14] <Elw0od_21> Scognito,  i have the same video card, compiled vesfb as built in and it works
[12:14] <nefertati> scognito : and?
[12:15] <Scognito> log on under console, and remove .ICEauthority
[12:15] <Scognito> Elw0od_21, so you recompiled
[12:15] <nefertati> scognito : and?
[12:15] <Elw0od_21> Scognito,  si ho ricompilato
[12:16] <Scognito> Elw0od_21, eh eh ciao :)
[12:16] <Elw0od_21> Scognito,  ciao :)
[12:16] <Scognito> and then restart X
[12:16] <Scognito> nefertati, ctrl alt del
[12:16] <nefertati> scognito : ok
[12:16] <Scognito> and logon under X again
[12:17] <nefertati> scognito : and? then its ok ?
[12:17] <paperflake> can any1 help with xserver not starting due to fonts not correct ?
[12:17] <Scognito> should be
[12:17] <nefertati> scognito : ok thank you .... :)
[12:18] <Scognito> does it works?
[12:18] <nefertati> scognito : me?
[12:19] <Scognito> yes
[12:19] <nefertati> scognito : i'm in windows now
[12:19] <Scognito> ah ok
[12:19] <nefertati> scognito : i'll to try this now
[12:19] <nefertati> scognito : i'll to go try this now
[12:20] <Scognito> ok
[12:40] <esoteric> morning
[12:41] <cenerentola> ciao
[12:42] <esoteric> ello
[12:43] <toxicsludge> hello
[12:44] <linux_galore> dont you hate it when you have this really great idea in your head all day at work then get home and you cant remember what it was
[12:44] <toxicsludge> pxe boot doesnt seem to like the ubuntu mirrors
[12:44] <toxicsludge> says it cannot find the release file
[12:44] <esoteric> maybe the idea was "go home" :)
[12:44] <linux_galore> no it was some distro idea a user baught something up and I was thinking...hmm why doesnt anyone fix that
[12:45] <esoteric> anyone know of any round about ways to get ubuntu to do RAID1 on /boot ?
[12:45] <linux_galore> Linux isnt really good at raid1 better of with raid5
[12:46] <esoteric> during installation only given option for raid or rai1
[12:46] <esoteric> raid1 even
[12:46] <esoteric> uggg
[12:46] <esoteric> sorry raid0 and raid 1
[12:46] <Kano> hi
[12:46] <linux_galore> not good considering raid1 and Linux suck
[12:46] <Kano> i would like to know if the full kernel source or only a part of it is included by default
[12:47] <dredg> i have never had a problem with raid1 on linux
[12:47] <linux_galore> why would they only do part of the source ??
[12:47] <Kano> linux_galore: well to be able to compile drivers later
[12:47] <Kano> what is included by default
[12:47] <netmonk> does anyone know how can I get suspend or stand-by on my toshiba?
[12:48] <linux_galore> dredg: it works but when you bench mark it you can see Linux is having problems swap to raid5 and Linux suddenly goes into turbo mode
[12:48] <linux_galore> Chris Perens did a report debunking Microsofts tests using raid1 with Linux
[12:49] <linux_galore> basically swap to raid5
[12:51] <linux_galore> netmonk: poke around http://www.google.com/linux  just enter the model number and the term suspend
[12:52] <chz> has anybody played with the gdesklets?
[12:53] <chz> i'm trying it out rite now...theres a cool lil chat applet that im using as i type...
[12:53] <linux_galore> (is a closet kde user)
[12:53] <nefertati> scognito : thanks it worked.. :)
[12:55] <Rubukie> hi
[12:55] <linux_galore> hai Rubukie
[12:55] <Rubukie> I am installing ubuntu 4.10 but when grub installation comes up I can't intall it in the floppy. What am I donig wrong?
[12:56] <Rubukie> hi linux galore
[12:56] <Beagle2> hello, how do I replace old libc6 in sarge with libc6-i686?
[12:57] <jdub> Beagle2: you don't, you just install libc6-i686 as well
[12:57] <netmonk> 10x linux_galore
[12:57] <jdub> Beagle2: same as ubuntu
[12:57] <Rubukie> I tried specifing /dev/fd0 or (fd0) but nothing happens. Does anyone know if it is possible?
[12:58] <Beagle2> jdub: apt-get says it has unmet dependencies
[12:58] <linux_galore> Rubukie: what about /floppy
[12:59] <Beagle2> jdub: libc6-i686: PreDepends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2.2) but 2.3.2.ds1-16 is to be installed
[12:59] <jdub> Beagle2: are you using ubuntu?
[01:00] <Beagle2> jdub: no, I am using sarge
[01:00] <Beagle2> jdub: I want to switch to ubuntu.
[01:00] <jdub> Beagle2: that's going to be hard, i recommend you do a fresh install
[01:00] <jdub> Beagle2: or follow the guide on the wiki
[01:00] <Beagle2> I don't have a cdrom...
[01:01] <Beagle2> I guess I can get some tarball and unpack it?
[01:01] <Beagle2> (I don't have a cdrom drive)
[01:01] <linux_galore> why the need for libc-i686 anyway its not always going to give you a performance boot in fact in some cases it will slow things down
[01:02] <linux_galore> boost*
[01:02] <Beagle2> linux_galore: I can't install ubuntu-base
[01:03] <Beagle2> and I want to upgrade my X
[01:03] <linux_galore> Beagle2: x.org ??
[01:04] <Beagle2> linux_galore: no, just from 4.3.0.1 to whatever
[01:04] <Beagle2> 0.99?
[01:04] <Beagle2> linux_galore: ubuntu has X.org?
[01:04] <linux_galore> Beagle2: most people are swapping to x.org  my new slackware install is running it
[01:05] <linux_galore> Beagle2: next release Ive been told
[01:05] <Beagle2> my fedora too.
[01:05] <Amaranth> hoary either has it or will soon
[01:05] <Beagle2> actually, I just want my dri to work.
[01:05] <linux_galore> hmm OpenGL transparencies
[01:06] <Amaranth> i just want my ATI Radeon 7000 to not screw up text on bzFlag
[01:06] <Beagle2> I don't know if RENDER use opengl.
[01:06] <linux_galore> Beagle2: dont need dri with nvidia driver its built in
[01:06] <Beagle2> linux_galore: it's prosavage8 something according to lspci..
[01:06] <linux_galore> aaah
[01:08] <linux_galore> been looking at the IBM T series laptops like everyone told me....bloody things all have ATi video chipsets....bummer
[01:08] <Beagle2> does ubuntu has base.tgz something?
[01:08] <linux_galore> hai sid
[01:10] <Beagle2> I don't want to download cd, i just want minimum system without desktops.
[01:10] <mjg59> linux_galore: If you want power management to work on a laptop, an ATI chipset is a much better choice at the moment
[01:10] <linux_galore> Beagle2: well I would just use Debian then
[01:11] <mjg59> Beagle2: No (and nor does Debian nowadays)
[01:11] <linux_galore> mjg59: yeah but no 3D driver
[01:11] <mjg59> linux_galore: ATI have a closed one
[01:11] <Beagle2> linux_galore, mjg59 ok, thanks.
[01:11] <linux_galore> mjg59: and no 64 bit render suport in the Linux drivers
[01:11] <Beagle2> i always get debian's base tarball and upgrade from that.
[01:12] <Amaranth> the open source ati driver is getting much better with 3d support for newer cards too
[01:12] <Beagle2> thanks anyway.
[01:13] <linux_galore> I like to play games now and again and I was like..well if Im going to fork out lots of $$$ for this IBM laptop it better have decent 3d games support
[01:14] <linux_galore> IBM only seem to use Intel Extreme and ATi for video now in their new laptops
[01:16] <linux_galore> hmmm might just get a no brand AMD64 laptop with nvidia for the same price as a IBM Centrino based model
[01:16] <Treenaks> centrinos are way better at battery life afik
[01:16] <Treenaks> +a
[01:16] <linux_galore> yeah but not as future proof
[01:17] <linux_galore> also AMD are about to release a mobile version of the AMD64
[01:17] <linux_galore> might wait
[01:18] <linux_galore> or just grab a second hand IBM T20/390
[01:20] <Treenaks> anyone here going to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Conference/ ?
[01:21] <linux_galore> oooh goody a heckle fest
[01:24] <linux_galore> oh cool just noticed a nice TNEF file viewer...save me having to write a script plugin
[01:24] <uman> linux_galore: so that's where you are hiding
[01:24] <uman> hehe
[01:24] <uman> <- taters here
[01:24] <linux_galore> yeah just got bored
[01:25] <uman> this channel is normally pretty entertaining and helpful
[01:25] <uman> you should have been here when they had the discussion about the pr0n artwork, heh
[01:25] <linux_galore> yeah bit slow today I think everyone has gone to bed
[01:25] <sid77> one of my friend is having trouble with ubuntu/ppc: no packages shows up in synaptic, even after update. any ideas?
[01:25] <chemaja> i'm awake
[01:26] <|rufius|> hmmm, how do you update the gnome menus?
[01:26] <linux_galore> uman: pfft @ pr0n artwork  I see worse stuff at the train station every day
[01:26] <Treenaks> linux_galore: you do? which train station is that? :P
[01:26] <uman> yeah
[01:27] <uman> I took that screen with the 3 beautiful people and just whacked a crux on it replacing the ubuntu
[01:27] <linux_galore> Treenaks: Town Hall always has these lingerie posters on the wall
[01:27] <Treenaks> linux_galore: city/country? :)
[01:27] <linux_galore> Sydney
[01:27] <Treenaks> ah.. the other side of the planet :)
[01:28] <Treenaks> (not that we don't have pictures like that everywhere here in .nl :))
[01:28] <linux_galore> watch the ethnic TV station (sbs) here and you never need to rent a pr0n movie again lol
[01:28] <uman> Treenaks: hahaha, not naked enough for the Netherlands
[01:29] <linux_galore> sbs TV has Queer As Folk on now with guys shagging each other and blowing each other off
[01:29] <linux_galore> and thats Gov owned free to air
[01:30] <linux_galore> so the whole ubuntu wallpaper thing was pretty tame for me
[01:31] <linux_galore> know what I thought as soon as I saw the ubuntu wallpaper.....some redneck will complain some how because there are mixed races holding hands
[01:31] <linux_galore> and Bingo i was right
[01:32] <Treenaks> linux_galore: look at the logo again.. see some similarity?
[01:33] <blokkie> how do I play mpeg or mpg's  ?
[01:33] <blokkie> totem shows a black screen
[01:33] <linux_galore> Treenaks: yes noticed that
[01:33] <uman> I thought it is some great artwork, and pretty people, too
[01:33] <linux_galore> blokkie: I use ogg or xine....ogg is the simplest
[01:34] <uman> <- mostly uses kmplayer
[01:34] <liten> vlc is kinda easy, since it comes with most codecs builtin
[01:34] <Treenaks> blokkie: read the wiki (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats)
[01:35] <linux_galore> Treenaks: only thing I see missing in the picture is an asian  should be white black asian
[01:36] <blokkie> which package contains xine ?
[01:37] <uman> linux_galore: they're very sneaky
[01:37] <Treenaks> blokkie: read the wiki (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats)
[01:37] <blokkie> Treenaks,  I read that
[01:37] <blokkie> ogg theora .. installed that .. now how to use that ?
[01:38] <linux_galore> uman: also they make up over 52% of the worlds population (asians) big market to ignore
[01:38] <Treenaks> blokkie: it's just a codec.. so get some movie in ogg/theora format and play them..
[01:38] <blokkie> but I have mpeg
[01:38] <linux_galore> blokkie: mp3 or mp4
[01:39] <uman> kmplayer plays all that for me fine
[01:39] <Treenaks> linux_galore: mpeg video  I think
[01:39] <linux_galore> uman: kmplayer is just a UI for mplayer
[01:39] <uman> I normally use gmplayer, but had some issue with alsa
[01:39] <blokkie> mplayer is not in my repo
[01:39] <blokkie>  ubuntu 64 AMD
[01:40] <linux_galore> blokkie: mplayer is the backend to kmplayer you cant have kmplayer without mplayer installed
[01:41] <blokkie> linux_galore, fine .. but I don't have any of them :-)
[01:41] <uman> linux_galore: for me gmplayer never managed playlists properly
[01:41] <uman> works great in kmplayer
[01:41] <blokkie> where do I get mplayer / gmplayer / kmplayer ?
[01:41] <uman> doe subuntu use some package manager ?
[01:41] <uman> does ubuntu ^
[01:42] <linux_galore> blokkie: mplayer is pretty much the "plays everything" tool although I find for comercial restricted DVD's ogg seems to work better and so does xine
[01:42] <blokkie> linux_galore,  fine , whatever .. but I don't have xine or mplayer .. and they are not in my repo's when I do apt-cache search ...
[01:42] <linux_galore> uman: yeah apt-get  its based on debian and you can use synaptic if your a point and click person
[01:42] <uman> linux_galore: xine does the DVD menus, true
[01:43] <uman> but for everything else I use kmplayer
[01:43] <uman> ok, for real audio streams I use mplayer
[01:43] <linux_galore> uman: the mplayer team are starting the whole thing from scratch they said what they ended up with was too messy
[01:43] <uman> I would agree
[01:44] <linux_galore> uman: you try streamtuned yet
[01:44] <uman> they need some serious rewrite of their gui, to
[01:44] <uman> too
[01:44] <uman> it never worked properly
[01:44] <uman> linux_galore: no
[01:44] <uman> haven't tried it
[01:45] <linux_galore> uman: its actually pretty cool it streams audio and has a very nice UI very simple looks like a car stereo UI
[01:45] <uman> I shall try it out
[01:45] <Treenaks> car stereo UIs suck, imho
[01:47] <uman> looks interesting
[01:47] <linux_galore> could be worse...could have the weird BMW 5 series all in one controller that no one can figure out
[01:49] <linux_galore> anyway time for bed
[01:49] <linux_galore> l8ter folks
[01:55] <theine> anybody else having sound problems under hoary?
[01:59] <djtansey> I'm having an interesting problem. I just came back from a weekend out (i had my laptop with me). I just got back to my desk. i am getting considerably more quiet sound. the settings in gnome-volume-manager are all the same. guesses? things i can check?
[02:00] <menglef> hello ubuntu people, i need some advice
[02:00] <mercurus> djtansey: are both speakers working ? are the hard-set volume controls at the same level ? Try using ALSA mixer to reset things
[02:00] <mercurus> menglef: what's up ?
[02:00] <menglef> ive made a new machine for graphic/web design. and i need bluefish and scribus
[02:01] <djtansey> mercurus: my x40 only has one. and i've tried headphones, external speakers (which can usually get unbearably loud), and just the regular speakers.
[02:01] <menglef> as a debian user, id like to say, wow, ubuntu was easy as could be to set up for desktop use
[02:01] <mercurus> menglef: you'll find them in the universe repository ... see the Wiki or the HowTos for information about enabling that repository with Synaptic or by manually editing the /etc/apt/sources.list file
[02:02] <djtansey> menglef: that isn't hard.
[02:02] <menglef> yeah im used to debian and xfree problems
[02:02] <mercurus> djtansey: ThinkPad X40 ? (nice :) have you rebooted at all ?
[02:03] <djtansey> menglef: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe multiverse -- put that in (it should be there but commented) then (as root) apt-get update. then apt-get install scribus bluefish
[02:03] <menglef> perfect
[02:04] <theine> How do I get ``Umlauts'' in GNOME?
[02:04] <theine> They are not properly displayed right now
[02:04] <djtansey> mercurus: yeah. when i first plugged it in i didn't have any sound what-so-ever. i assumed there was some resource issue or going to/back from suspend problem or being docked after having been booted (and suspended/unsuspended) without being docked.
[02:05] <theine> Also danish/german/swedish keyboards do not really work
[02:05] <djtansey> mercurus: so i rebooted. i had sound (actually had to killall esd. rhythmbox wouldn't have sound. then when i started rhythembox again and i got /usr/bin/esd -terminate -nobeeps -as 2 -spawnfd 26 -- but still quiet sound
[02:06] <mercurus> djtansey: esd didn't start automatically ?
[02:06] <djtansey> theine: just responding so you know i'm paying attention -- i have never used non-US keyboards so i can't help. stick around. there are a lot of nice people who will help if they can.
[02:07] <theine> mercurus: it starts automatically but it blocks the sound device
[02:07] <djtansey> mercurus: it did. but not with those settings. it was something else. i can't remember exactly what but it was a much shorter line.
[02:07] <theine> djtansey: sounds good
[02:07] <mercurus> is this warty or Hoary ?
[02:08] <theine> For me it's Hoary
[02:08] <djtansey> mercurus: warty. i installed the preview release and have apt-get updated to the latest packages
[02:09] <mercurus> djtansey: hmm ... have you had any ALSA issues in the past ? or esd issues ?
[02:09] <djtansey> mercurus: but i haven't added or removed anything except xscorch since i last used it on my speakers at a reasonable level (and it's not awful -- i just have the external speakers turned up ALL THE WAY to play at a reasonable pleasant listening volume)
[02:10] <djtansey> mercurus: not really. sound worked out of the box. here's another issue
[02:10] <djtansey> mercurus: now sometimes when it switches from song to song it says resource busy. can't open resource.
[02:10] <mercurus> djtansey: I had that exact problem until I got the lates updates ... (and re-installed) and it has been flawless since
[02:11] <djtansey> mercurus: i can recreate that by clicking the "next" button rapidly -- but not if i click it with any delay
[02:11] <pisuke> djtansey, same message here with stop/play in totem
[02:11] <theine> what do you mean ``got the latest updates and re-installed''?
[02:11] <mercurus> theine: I got the latest updates, and re-installed
[02:12] <mercurus> separate actions, but between them, the ALSA issue disappear
[02:12] <mercurus> *ed
[02:12] <djtansey> mercurus: you mean you had gotten the latest updates and they didn't work so you reinstalled from scratch?
[02:12] <mercurus> djtansey: that was the order I took, aye ...
[02:12] <theine> mercurus: like wiped your partition and re-installed ubuntu?
[02:12] <djtansey> mercurus: are you at the current versions now? can't say i'm looking forward to a reinstall
[02:12] <mercurus> re-installing rhythm-box might work though
[02:12] <mercurus> djtansey: yes
[02:13] <theine> or re-installing esd
[02:13] <mercurus> but I kept all the updated packages, and added them as a repository and refused to use apt
[02:13] <mercurus> -get online during the install
[02:14] <djtansey> mercurus, theine: going to try both
[02:14] <theine> djtansey: do mplayer or totem work fine for you?
[02:15] <djtansey> theine: i didn't try totem but mplayer was equally soft sound
[02:16] <djtansey> theine, mercurus: going in and out of gnome to test. i'll brb.
[02:19] <djtansey> nothing -- same issue. shall i try gstreamer-esd?
[02:20] <djtansey> any debugging i can do? any volume control apps that would do more than gnome-volume-manager?
[02:20] <mercurus> djtansey: you can try alsamixer
[02:21] <theine> djtansey: any success?
[02:23] <djtansey> alsamixer didn't help.
[02:24] <djtansey> could just affect the sound changing master and pcm -- but those were the same settings i had before. 100% master and 80% PCM
[02:24] <djtansey> (any more PCM and it gets crackly -- that was the same as before)
[02:24] <djtansey> btw, i tested with totem. same thing
[02:25] <chibifs> Erm. That's normal.
[02:25] <chibifs> PCM is soft overamping.
[02:25] <ryan> i hope nvidia releases an alsa version of their audio driver with hardware mixing soon
[02:25] <chibifs> It's smart to never have it over 50%
[02:25] <ryan> i could throw my sblive in but i don't want to bother when the onboard sound on my nforce2 rocks
[02:25] <chibifs> Starting some programs will boost it back up. >.>
[02:25] <djtansey> chibifs: no -- that's not the issue. the issue is it isn't as loud as it was a few days ago. all of my sound (except i've-pressed-backspace-too-many-times-in-a-console) is more quiet than it was
[02:26] <chibifs> Hmm. What kind of card?
[02:26] <ryan> i hate beeps
[02:27] <ryan> i unplugged my internal speaker
[02:27] <ryan> stupid thing
[02:27] <djtansey> chibifs: i don't know. uses the snd_intel8x0 module. noticed i also have a snd_intel8x0m module. i don't know if i had both before. i didn't change kernels though..
[02:27] <ryan> cuz it beeps even when trying to tab-complete some things
[02:27] <ryan> so it would be beeping ever two seconds
[02:27] <ryan> damn near ripped the thing right out :P
[02:27] <ghostrifle> hi there !
[02:27] <chibifs> Hmmm.. Don't know what to say. :/
[02:27] <ryan> djtansey: is it an integrated carD?
[02:28] <crimsun> djtansey: blacklist snd-intel8x0m
[02:28] <djtansey> crimsun: do you know anything about it?
[02:28] <djtansey> ryan: it's a laptop, so yeah.
[02:28] <ryan> ah
[02:28] <ryan> djtansey: know what kind of chipset it uses?
[02:28] <crimsun> well, at least you're getting sound. That's a good sign.
[02:29] <ryan> if its sis it might be the sis7012 audio codec, which uses the intel 810 driver
[02:29] <crimsun> the issues I've seen are no sound, or invalid codec 0.
[02:29] <ryan> 8x0
[02:29] <ryan> and the sis7012 audio blows ass in anything other than windows anyway; the mixer is either 0 (off) or 1 through 100 (on)
[02:29] <crimsun> for the former case, you want to disable the modem and the printer port in bios. You also want to blacklist snd-intel8x0m.
[02:30] <crimsun> for the latter case, you want to use "noapic".
[02:30] <ryan> my nforce's realtek audio chip uses the intel 8x0 driver too
[02:30] <obos> I kinda forgot my password for nickserv.. is that bad? i registered yesterday on another ip
[02:30] <crimsun> (the latter case usually requires a very recent version of alsa-driver, too.)
[02:30] <ghostrifle> does anyone know how i can "speedthrottle" my laptop ?? acpi is running (ps shows me kacpid).. but the fun is running like hell
[02:30] <crimsun> obos: ask in #freenode
[02:30] <djtansey> ryan: i think it's an intel. remember from getting the laptop (x40) -- but i can't find anything about it in dmesg
[02:30] <obos> 10-4
[02:31] <ryan> is the sblive the ONLY card that has properly working hardware mixing in linux or what
[02:31] <djtansey> crimsun: noapic?
[02:32] <ryan> i'd say unix but maybe sun's proprietary audio controllers work fine :P
[02:32] <Mithrandir> ryan: no.
[02:32] <Mithrandir> ryan: I have a hercules thingy which works excellent.
[02:32] <crimsun> djtansey: sometimes that resolves the "invalid codec 0" issue. It's a hit n' miss issue. You can see that error in the output of dmesg.
[02:32] <ryan> Mithrandir: oh?
[02:32] <ryan> Mithrandir: is it a muse XL?
[02:32] <ryan> 4channel card
[02:32] <ryan> with '3d' sound
[02:33] <crimsun> obos: is geert resolving the issue with your nickserv passwd?
[02:33] <Mithrandir> muse XL?  no, based around cs4xxx, iirc.
[02:33] <Mithrandir> 5.1, iirc.
[02:33] <obos> crimsun, yes, I got a new one :)
[02:34] <crimsun> obos: good deal :)
[02:34] <ryan> mm, well the last time i used that card it used a cmedia driver or some sort iirc
[02:34] <djtansey> crimsun: but how do i use noapic? do i pass it to my kernel with grub?
[02:34] <ryan> i got the card in another computer, but i also managed to snag the cd
[02:34] <crimsun> djtansey: correct.
[02:34] <ryan> which says musexl on it
[02:34] <crimsun> djtansey: append it to the kernel line
[02:34] <crimsun> djtansey: but first check the output of `dmesg' for those "invalid codec 0" errors.
[02:34] <ryan> the people i got it from, well, they don't know anything about computers and probably just bought the cheapest thing from radio shack possible ;)
[02:35] <crimsun> djtansey: if you don't have those, it's not worth trying that option.
[02:35] <crimsun> djtansey: the first thing I'd try is blacklisting snd-intel8x0m and rebooting.
[02:35] <djtansey> crimsun: didn't find any. the word invalid (or Invalid) anywhere
[02:36] <djtansey> crimsun: where is the blacklist list? i have forgotten
[02:36] <crimsun> djtansey: ok, you don't need the "noapic" option. Try the first suggestion.
[02:37] <crimsun> djtansey: you can add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base or /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[02:37] <djtansey> crimsun: just did the latter. thanks. i'll see you in a minute.
[02:43] <huttan> when i try to build a module for ati driver using make-kpkg it says it cant find drm.h, im using standard ubuntu kernel, anyone know how to fix this ?
[02:44] <crimsun> huttan: the binary-only fgl driver?
[02:44] <huttan> crimsun, hm..i downloaded 2 deb files, driver and kernel
[02:45] <crimsun> huttan: they're already in the linux-restricted-modules-2.6* packages in Ubuntu
[02:45] <ryan> is the new nvidia driver going to make it into hoary?
[02:45] <crimsun> ryan: yes.
[02:46] <ryan> whew
[02:46] <crimsun> ryan: they just entered Sid yesterday, so they'll be in Hoary shortly.
[02:46] <huttan> crimsun, cool
[02:46] <ryan> excellent
[02:46] <huttan> crimsun, any idea how i install them ?
[02:46] <obos> my amsn hangs after a while.. :(
[02:46] <djtansey> crimsun: nothing -- i blacklisted it an it was still loaded! i even blacklisted it in both files and rebooted agian. nothing.
[02:46] <crimsun> huttan: in Synaptic, look for the linux-restricted-modules-2.6* packages
[02:46] <ryan> heh
[02:47] <ryan> djtansey: yeah, i had a brutal fight with the hotplug stuff
[02:47] <ryan> it refused to stop loading alsa stuff
[02:47] <crimsun> djtansey: ok, more drastic measures. sudo rm -f /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686-smp/kernel/sound/pci/snd-intel8x0m.ko
[02:47] <ryan> i ended up just moving the code modules away
[02:47] <ryan> s/code/core/
[02:47] <ryan> but then the hardware mixing appeared to stop working with the nforce driver anyway
[02:47] <ryan> much to my discontent
[02:48] <crimsun> the soundstorm is capable of hardware multiopen, but Nvidia refuses to open the specs. Unfortunately one's stuck w/ the snd-intel8x0 driver.
[02:48] <ryan> yeah
[02:48] <ryan> i'm not even sure if my nforce2 has soundstorm
[02:49] <ryan> mines always identified as a realtek alcsomething
[02:49] <huttan> crimsun, kk, now i just modprobe it and change driver in XF86config ?
[02:50] <djtansey> well, i gtg. thanks for the help. i'll try that.
[02:51] <website> hi to all
[02:51] <crimsun> huttan: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto has the caveats
[02:51] <crimsun> huttan: but essentially, yes.
[02:51] <ghostrifle> argh.... how can I compile my own kernel with ubuntu ?? I've installed the kernel-headers(the source ?? ) but a 'sudo make menuconfig' doesn't work cause ncurses-devel is missing.. but there's no ncurses-devel-thingy in apt
[02:51] <website> is ubsplash (or ubuntu splash) already relased?
[02:51] <jdub> website: no
[02:52] <crimsun> ghostrifle: libncurses-dev
[02:52] <jdub> ghostrifle: apt-cache search ncurses dev -> you'll find it
[02:52] <ryan> realtek alc650 thats it
[02:52] <website> jdub, can i have the sources?
[02:52] <crimsun> ghostrifle: and you need the kernel-source
[02:52] <jdub> website: it doesn't exist yet
[02:53] <website> ????
[02:53] <ghostrifle> crimsun, not the headers ??? well... but there's just 2.6.7 in apt ... but the kernel from the cdrom is 2.6.8.1
[02:53] <crimsun> ghostrifle: if you want to compile your own kernel, you need the kernel-source
[02:53] <crimsun> ghostrifle: pardon, it's linux-source*
[02:53] <ghostrifle> ah.. ok
[02:54] <thoreauputic> apart from build-essential what packages are needed for a working compiler etc? gcc g++ make automake ?
[02:54] <crimsun> (I'm used to Debian Sid terminology, sorry)
[02:54] <crimsun> thoreauputic: that should be it.
[02:54] <crimsun> build-essential gets you the base.
[02:54] <website> jdub, in a ubuntu page there is written that it will be relased with wartydog, isn't it?
[02:54] <thoreauputic> hmm OK thanks
[02:54] <huttan> crimsun, it wont install fglrx-driver when i apt-get it
[02:55] <crimsun> huttan: is universe in your sources.list? Or did you add it via Synaptic?
[02:55] <ryan> crimsun: were you a debian dev?
[02:55] <huttan> crimsun, synaptic
[02:55] <jdub> website: it was planned for hoary (our next release), but it is not at the top of our priority list atm
[02:55] <ryan> (were/are)
[02:55] <crimsun> ryan: nope.
[02:55] <huttan> and yes, universe is in it
[02:56] <website> jdub, i want to help ubuntu developers to develop it. who must i contact?
[02:56] <crimsun> huttan: would you paste the errors in #flood please?
[02:57] <huttan> crimsun, sure
[02:57] <jdub> website: hm, no one's actively working on it atm
[02:58] <phill> how can i get the rss-glx screensavers working?
[02:59] <tuxx> Hello
[02:59] <crimsun> huttan: where did you get the flgrx*4.3.0* debs?
[02:59] <website> -__-
[02:59] <aakrosh> hi everybody..
[02:59] <crimsun> hullo
[02:59] <aakrosh> am a newbie for gnome..have been using kde
[03:00] <Agabus> hey people
[03:00] <aakrosh> facing some problems
[03:00] <Unfun> hello ubuntu
[03:00] <aakrosh> could somebody help me
[03:00] <seb128> phill: you might be interested by https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3042
[03:00] <tuxx> I have a problem with Gnome - it tries to be smarter than me and refuses me to open files if it thinks it's another type than named. How do I disable that? It's a .asx file
[03:00] <Unfun> anyone awake?
[03:00] <huttan> crimsun, the link from dpkg in #debian
[03:00] <Agabus> well i'm awake Unfun but no-one seems to be saying hello :(
[03:00] <huttan> crimsun, might have fixed it, lemme restart X
[03:00] <Unfun> I'm trying to install ubuntu base system and it goes fine until it tries to install lib6c-i686 i get an error, unable to download libc6-i686
[03:00] <huttan> crimsun, brb
[03:00] <tuxx> I'm not sure whether it's a Gnome-issue or Ubuntu-issue
[03:01] <aakrosh> actually nautilus takes forever to open folders and most of the apps crash..
[03:01] <aakrosh> i am at a loss
[03:01] <phill> seb128: thanks, but i got it working ,there was as script :)
[03:01] <website> who is thre project manager of usplash?
[03:02] <aLi> i have no cd-rom, how can i install ubuntu with floppy ?
[03:02] <aakrosh> was wondering if any of you are facing the same problem
[03:02] <seb128> phill: so why asking ? :)
[03:02] <Unfun> Does ubuntu actually download packages from the internet during the base install?
[03:02] <phill> i asked, and then figured it out :D
[03:02] <seb128> phill: ok
[03:02] <Mithrandir> Unfun: not if you install using CD, no
[03:03] <Agabus> why does Ubuntu not detect my 80gig FAT32 secondary IDE hard drive and put it in mnt or wherever after fresh install??
[03:03] <Unfun> Mithrandir i have the one 500mb cd.
[03:03] <Unfun> Does that one have all the base packages?
[03:03] <Mithrandir> Unfun: yes, it has all the packages
[03:04] <Unfun> Wonder why i'm getting a cannot download libc6-i686 then when installing from cd.
[03:04] <crimsun> there's no 'i' in it.
[03:05] <crimsun> err, n/m
[03:05] <crimsun> I'm a bit slow this morning.
[03:05] <BeTa> does anyone know what's the software wich manage my laptop's fans w/ ubuntu (but I think I can enlarge this question to all linuxes ;c))
[03:06] <ghostrifle> BetA: what processor are you using ??
[03:06] <ghostrifle> amd athlon ??
[03:06] <BeTa> PPC G4
[03:07] <sjoerd> BeTa: what kind machine ? albook ?
[03:07] <BeTa> PowerBook 15" 1.5GHz
[03:07] <sjoerd> BeTa: that's an albook, the kernel itself does it
[03:07] <ghostrifle> argh... how can I install this linux-k7 stuff..... the default (386??) kernel from ubuntu does support all the athlon stuff....
[03:07] <Amaranth> can someone do me a favor?
[03:08] <Amaranth> run apt-cache show xserver-xfree86 and paste the version
[03:08] <ghostrifle> synaptic tells me something from unresolved dependencies when I select the linux-kernel-k7 thing
[03:08] <BeTa> sjoerd: mmm... I supsect that fans are not activated enough... and that can be the reason of various random crashes...
[03:09] <BeTa> sjoerd: is there a solution to make my fans more sensitive ?
[03:09] <chibifs> 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu25
[03:09] <sjoerd> BeTa: echo -10 > /sys/devices/temperatures/limit_adjust
[03:10] <sjoerd> BeTa: you can find the temperatures in /sys/devices/temperatures too
[03:10] <tuxx> I have a problem with Gnome - it tries to be smarter than me and refuses me to open files if it thinks it's another type than named. How do I disable that? It's a .asx file. How do I disable that feature?
[03:10] <chibifs> Don't use nautilus. :D
[03:10] <chibifs> nautilus is smelly.
[03:11] <BeTa> sjoerd: great... I've forgotten looking into /sys :cb
[03:11] <jamaas> I've lost my oss sound drivers, can anyone tell me how to restore my oss sound drivers, without knowing how I'm reduced to alsa only... thanks :-/
[03:11] <tuxx> I've googled with no luck - prob. because I don't know what to google for :-)
[03:11] <jdub> tuxx: that's a bug in the file type detection atm
[03:11] <Unfun> I really want to use ubuntu but i can't figure this error out.
[03:11] <BeTa> fsckin' 2.4 reflexes
[03:12] <tuxx> jdub can I make a passaround? Firefox won't let me open it so I'm guessing it's because of that.
[03:12] <BeTa> sjoerd: cat /sys/devices/temperatures/limit_adjust : 0
[03:12] <BeTa> is that ok A?
[03:12] <tuxx> jdub it's not a possibility to rename it as it's streamed video from a website
[03:12] <crimsun> jamaas: you're absolutely positive you prefer oss/free over alsa? the former's deprecated...
[03:12] <jdub> tuxx: dunno why firefox has a problem with it
[03:13] <chibifs> crimsun: Don't forget slower. :P
[03:13] <jamaas> crimsun: I'm not sure of anything, just that half of my sound programs won't work without oss ?  Does this make sense?
[03:13] <Treenaks> tuxx: does the icon change when you click it?
[03:13] <Treenaks> (that's a problem I'm having..)
[03:13] <tuxx> jdub me neither but I'm guessing it's because Gnome think it's evil. http://konsol.tv2.dk/konsol2/flad/kanal/607106 is the site I'm trying to use
[03:13] <BeTa> GPU Tc : 59 | CPU Tc : 48C
[03:13] <tuxx> Treenaks sometimes yes.. from one to another and then back like the wind changes
[03:14] <crimsun> jamaas: sure, makes sense. Does your sound work now?
[03:14] <BeTa> sjoerd: great !! your advise made my fan running :c)
[03:15] <jamaas> crimsun: it does for some programs but not for others like voip, skype
[03:15] <sjoerd> BeTa: those temperatures are quite normal (atleast on my 1.25 ghz 15")
[03:15] <crimsun> jamaas: do you have snd-pcm-oss loaded? check via lsmod
[03:16] <BeTa> sjoerd: I want to understand where is the bug in my system to understand why it's crashing
[03:16] <BeTa> sjoerd: you never get any random crashes ?
[03:16] <BeTa> (so I want to isolate some possible crashing problems)
[03:17] <jamaas> crimsun: no I don't ... should I modprobe it? or do I need something more specific?  Thanks
[03:17] <crimsun> jamaas: yes, sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss
[03:17] <crimsun> jamaas: which alsa driver are you using?
[03:18] <wfx> poweroff does not work, where do i find the infos to get it also work under ubuntu
[03:18] <theine> wfx: what's your machine?
[03:18] <jamaas> crimsun:  .....  I give up, which one is it  ??  I can check in synaptic or something?
[03:18] <jamaas> crimsun: I think it is still whatever is standard in warty ?
[03:18] <sjoerd> BeTa: nope
[03:19] <thoreauputic> wfx: have you tried  sudo modprobe apm ? and adding apm to /etc/modules ?
[03:19] <theine> jamaas: what does ``sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss'' give you?
[03:19] <wfx> theine, pc with amd cpu mainboard is gibayte, yes i have test it with apm
[03:19] <benjanet> my GL screensavers goes to black screen...any ideas
[03:19] <theine> wfx: no clue in that case
[03:20] <wfx> thoreauputic, yes i have it test with apm
[03:20] <crimsun> jamaas: you can check via the Volume Control program in the Applications>Multimedia menu
[03:20] <thoreauputic> wfx: no good?
[03:20] <theine> wfx: and you do have the apm module loaded, right?
[03:21] <jamaas> crimsun: Thanks a bunch mate, that fixed it in one easy instruction!  How can I make this load correctly the next time I boot?
[03:21] <wfx> yes
[03:22] <wfx> it have work with other distribution... so it must als work with ubuntu
[03:22] <theine> wfx: and you are running apmd
[03:22] <theine> ?
[03:22] <crimsun> jamaas: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base
[03:23] <wfx> theine, no apmd is running
[03:23] <jamaas> crimsun: I hear ya!
[03:23] <crimsun> jamaas: make sure you enable oss emulation
[03:23] <theine> wfx: that might be the reason then
[03:23] <theine> wfx: wait, it is running you say?
[03:24] <wfx> theine, ps -xa | grep apm say yes it is up
[03:24] <wfx> 6212 ?        Ss     0:00 apmd
[03:25] <theine> wfx: I guess you're really unlucky in this case
[03:25] <wfx> theine, i test it, back in 1min. :-)
[03:26] <jamaas> crimsun: Thanks mate, well thats that crisis tous jour overcome !! On to the next, help much appreciated :)
[03:28] <kent> my brother has a usb-modem (adsl) that needs the eciadsl drivers to work. I see that Ubuntu has them, but can some one tell me if Ubuntu will configure the modem on the fly, or do he have to configure it him self? it seems kind of tricky to configure eciadsl :(
[03:32] <wfx> theine, i have add noacpi acpi=off now it works
[03:33] <theine> wfx: good to hear that
[03:33] <theine> wfx: what's your machine by the way?
[03:34] <wfx> theine, it a normal pc with an amd cpu, what info you want
[03:34] <theine> wfx: right, i already asked...
[03:35] <wfx> hmmm, now rhythmbox make some prob... GStreamer-WARNING **: inconsistent state information , fix threading please
[03:36] <theine> wfx: i think that's quite unrelated to apm/acpi
[03:37] <wfx> theine, rhythmbox, yes it is :)
[03:37] <wfx> hmm should i post my poweroff stuff?
[03:37] <wfx> ubuntuforum
[03:39] <theine> Openoffice doesn't seem to start up after I upgraded to Hoary. Anybody else encountered this?
[03:39] <pille> I'm looking for a good programmer editor... someone got a tip for me?
[03:39] <theine> vim
[03:39] <shaver> emacs
[03:39] <shaver> there, now we're done
[03:39] <pille> with gui :)
[03:39] <Mithrandir> emacs og vim
[03:39] <Mithrandir> s/og/or/
[03:40] <shaver> xemacs
[03:40] <wfx> argh, and now have i have some trouble with nautilus or samba
[03:41] <kstraka> good morning all, I've got an apache/SSL problem.  I'm trying to use .htaccess files with apache, and when I go and access an area I've got setup as protected, I get a 500 error. The log file says:
[03:41] <kstraka> [Mon Nov 08 09:23:30 2004]  [alert]  [client 127.0.0.1]  /var/www/apache2-default/phpki-0.60/ca/.htaccess: Invalid command 'SSLRequireSSL', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
[03:41] <kstraka> I have openSSL installed, is apache not aware of it?  I know SSLRequireSSL is a logal commandl any thoughts?
[03:41] <wfx> i leave have fun.
[03:42] <pille> thx emacs looks good - anything else? looking for sth like editplus or sth with scintilla
[03:44] <theine> Nobody else having problems with OpenOffice under Hoary?
[03:50] <Perc> hello
[03:50] <Perc> how's the default support for prism54 wlan cards in ubuntu?
[03:50] <theine> Where do I get mplayer-plugin as a deb-package?
[03:50] <Perc> eg. how much work do I have to do :)
[03:51] <gen> Hey guys
[03:51] <arun--> in vi, how to enable indentation? aligning with matching brackets automaticallY?
[03:52] <jpvcx> theine: it should be in multiverse
[03:52] <jonex> [Help]  I have problems with ubuntu not detecting my other partitions(ntfs, fat32 and reiserfs) I can't find them anywere :/
[03:53] <theine> jpvcx: Didn't find it there
[03:53] <theine> arun--: what does ``:set autoindent?'' and ``"set filetype?'' give you
[03:53] <theine> ?
[03:53] <drunken-wallaby> hi there...
[03:54] <theine> arun--: sorry, that's ``:set filetype?''
[03:54] <LinuxJones> Perc, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[03:54] <theine> jpvcx: wait in minute... what's ``multiverse''? I only looked in ``universe''...
[03:55] <gen> do any of you guys use azureus
[03:55] <gen> i used it on windows, how should it be on here? gargatuan memory leaks?
[03:56] <theine> holy shit! I didn't know about multiverse...
[03:56] <jpvcx> theine: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-20.1228090247
[03:56] <gen> you just add multiverse to sources.list right
[03:56] <theine> jpvcx: thanks buddy
[03:56] <pille> How can I add items to the 'Application' menu?
[03:57] <jpvcx> gen: correct, it has some emu's (xmame/xmess snes9x)
[03:57] <arun--> theine: set filetype, just said, filetype=perl
[03:57] <gen> i just installed ubuntu, first linux distro for me about 5 minutes ago
[03:57] <theine> arun--: and ``:set autoindent?''
[03:58] <gen> can anyone help me update firefox to 1.0 rc1 or rc2
[03:58] <gen> using warty and its at .9.3
[03:59] <LinuxJones> gen, you can get the installer from the mozilla website and install from that
[03:59] <arun--> theine: autoindent also works, the subsequent lines always aligns with the start of the previous lines
[03:59] <theine> arun--: and what exactly doesn't work?
[04:00] <gen> LinuxJones: will do that, i'll let you know if i run into a mix up :)
[04:00] <arun--> theine: from what i see, autoindent, doesnt seem to align with matching brackets
[04:00] <LinuxJones> gen, the developers don't feel it is stable enough for the warty release, hopefully you won't have too many problems with it :)
[04:01] <theine> arun--: can you message me a code example?
[04:01] <arun--> theine: may be i am not clear in my question, where can i get to see the :set options for vi
[04:02] <theine> arun--: you mean the values of all options?
[04:02] <gen> linuxjones: then i'll wait, not a big deal
[04:02] <gen> when the official is out, could i apt-get it?
[04:02] <arun--> theine: that too, instead of asking people around,
[04:02] <drunken-wallaby> has anyone beed successful to get k3b to work without the .ICEautority problem? i folled the howto but i still do get the problem after burning
[04:02] <drunken-wallaby> followed of course :)
[04:03] <theine> arun--: you're right, it doesn't work in perl mode. Have you looked at vim.org?
[04:04] <markus__> Hi. Ahm, I got a funny but also tragic situation here: My Ubuntu plays every music (mp3, ogg) about twice as fast it should ... Any idea what's responsible and how to fix this?
[04:04] <theine> arun--: works fine in C-mode though...
[04:04] <arun--> theine: thank you for checking, i am heading to vim.org ..
[04:05] <theine> arun--: you're welcome
[04:06] <ryan> argh
[04:06] <ryan> how is ntp setup in ubuntu
[04:06] <ryan> ever since i started using it it keeps jumping ahead :P
[04:06] <ryan> it being ubuntu
[04:07] <ryan> it gains like 6 minutes in 12 hours
[04:07] <jdub> what are you running it on? a laptop with cpufreq support?
[04:07] <ryan> no
[04:07] <ryan> standard desktop system
[04:08] <gen> what's the easiest way to get/install mplayer
[04:08] <jdub> not sure
[04:08] <ryan> i've never experienced this issue before heh
[04:08] <ryan> then again i don't think i've ever used a kernel with so many modules loaded at once before
[04:09] <Perc> LinuxJones, thanks :)
[04:10] <LinuxJones> perc, np :)
[04:10] <ryan> firefox 1.0 final is supposed to be out tommorow
[04:10] <ryan> yay
[04:10] <Perc> finally
[04:11] <Scognito> but i think it will never go on warthy
[04:11] <arun--> theine: atleast in ubuntu vi, java and C works without any need to :set autoindent or :set filetype, it works perfect based on file extension.. except perl;)
[04:12] <theine> arun--: That's so weird... Unfortunately the only perl wizard I know uses Perl...
[04:12] <theine> sorry, ... uses emacs :)
[04:12] <jpvcx> gen:it should be in multiverse (or is that only in hoary?)
[04:13] <theine> is it possible to get a list of those packages I installed from 3rd-party repositories?
[04:14] <arun--> theine: there are some packages called vim-perl, vim-scripts, vim-python, vim-gtk ..i will install them and see, the description given for them are VI Improved perl support for vim ...
[04:15] <RoBLiNuX_> Hello
[04:15] <RoBLiNuX_> I'm new to ubuntu
[04:15] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: cool :) do you like it?
[04:15] <RoBLiNuX_> Yes :)
[04:16] <housetier> welcome RoBLiNuX_
[04:16] <RoBLiNuX_> I never tried gnome looking one seems nice and fast on my 634mhz celeron desktop linux box
[04:16] <RoBLiNuX_> Thanks.. I'm also a newbie to linux is this the right distro for newbies?
[04:17] <pr3ttyb0y> HEllo its RobLinux here on my ubuntu :)
[04:18] <pr3ttyb0y> housetier?
[04:18] <Treenaks> pr3ttyb0y: logging in once is enough :)
[04:18] <pr3ttyb0y> no problem just trying this out
[04:18] <pr3ttyb0y> RobLInux is on my windows box (trillian irc)
[04:19] <mercurus> ok, I understand that audio-CD auto-play is handled outside the gnome-cd player ... but what is the application that launches gnome-cd ? (as directed in Computer -> Desktop Preferneces -> Drives and Media Preferences) ... is this nautilus ?
[04:20] <mjr> mercurus, gnome volume manager
[04:20] <RoBLiNuX_> Who here is a ubuntu expert?
[04:20] <Treenaks> most people ;)
[04:21] <RoBLiNuX_> I want to know if Ubuntu is a good distro for newbies?
[04:21] <RoBLiNuX_> ;0
[04:21] <shaver> yeah, I think it is
[04:21] <shaver> as much as any Linux distribution is
[04:21] <mjr> RoBLiNuX, it's supposed to be, and it gets pretty far in actuality too
[04:21] <RoBLiNuX_> And if Ubuntu ok with a celeron 634mhz ? or it needs more requirements?
[04:21] <RoBLiNuX_> Thanks mjs, shaver
[04:21] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: it works fine
[04:22] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: you just told us :)
[04:22] <RoBLiNuX_> thanks treenaks!
[04:22] <RoBLiNuX_> lol
[04:22] <RoBLiNuX_> What are the requirements?
[04:22] <RoBLiNuX_> Because it might run well here but hopefully it doesnt get slow
[04:22] <cardador> RoBLiNuX_: i have an 666 mhz celeron
[04:22] <mjr> RoBLiNuX_, you'll probably want at least 128 megs of memory to enjoy the desktop
[04:22] <RoBLiNuX_> I have 256mb sdram
[04:22] <mjr> good
[04:22] <RoBLiNuX_> :)
[04:22] <cardador> RoBLiNuX_: i advice you to get 256
[04:22] <mjr> shouldn't be a problem then
[04:23] <Treenaks> I have 192, and it's usable, as long as I don't run openoffic
[04:23] <Treenaks> that slows everything down to unusable..
[04:23] <theine> Treenaks: how much RAM do you have?
[04:23] <Treenaks> 192M
[04:24] <cardador> Treenaks: go for Abiword and Gnumeric :P
[04:24] <Treenaks> but my new laptop (next month, just in time for the conference!) will have 512
[04:24] <Treenaks> cardador: I'll settle for vim and LaTeX :P
[04:24] <theine> So the bottleneck is the CPU when using OpenOffice?
[04:24] <theine> Treenaks: fantastic choice
[04:24] <theine> Treenaks: especially the editor :)
[04:24] <cardador> one thing that puzzles me is that microsoft office running on crossover office is much more quick to load than any linux office
[04:24] <RoBLiNuX_> cool ,  I'm 18yrs old new to linux, good with windows 4yrs + , want to learn linux and leave windows as much as possible , now where do I begin? I dont wanna ask every question I have here because I know only 1 out of a big group is not gonna get ticked off , so I would like to know where to learn , like installing, running, etc
[04:25] <Treenaks> maarten: if you want Dutch support, try #ubuntu-nl :)
[04:25] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: well.. just use it basically :)
[04:25] <cardador> RoBLiNuX_: go to ubuntu homepage, the try the FAQ and Wiki, you should get almost every answer to your questions
[04:25] <lhb> Treenaks: iam sure you can tell openoffice to use less
[04:25] <cardador> the -> then
[04:25] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: open a terminal (shell) and type 'man man' -- that'll give you the manual about manual reader :)
[04:25] <RoBLiNuX_> :) I like it because it comes with gaim, x-chat, mozilla firefox so it saved me from installing them ,
[04:26] <RoBLiNuX_> Thanks treenaks
[04:26] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: you can go from there.. ldp.org maybe as well
[04:26] <RoBLiNuX_> I mean on my laptop here I have a few manuals on linux I downloaded so I'm gonna read them too
[04:26] <housetier> RoBLiNuX_ don't try to learn too much at once
[04:26] <housetier> RoBLiNuX_ take your time
[04:27] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: doing it one step at a time is best, but knowing where to find "the next step" is important as well :)
[04:27] <RoBLiNuX_> :) yup
[04:27] <RoBLiNuX_> thanks housetier for the advice and treenaks!
[04:27] <RoBLiNuX_> You folks use window ?
[04:28] <mercurus> mjr: thank you :)
[04:28] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: I just use the standard Ubuntu installation (gnome) and Debian (www.debian.org)
[04:28] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: no windows for me :)
[04:29] <RoBLiNuX_> treenaks you said for me to open terminal (shell) but in system tools it says root terminal or terminal
[04:29] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: just the normal terminal
[04:31] <RoBLiNuX_> so i type man man
[04:32] <WebMaven> RoBLiNuX_, man <command> usually gives you instructions on using that command.
[04:32] <RoBLiNuX_> i typed man it says what manual page do you want?
[04:32] <WebMaven> RoBLiNuX_, so man man give syou instructions on using the man command.
[04:32] <RoBLiNuX_> oh yea lol
[04:33] <WebMaven> do you know how to get the list of files in a directory?
[04:33] <RoBLiNuX_> nope, im a newbie
[04:33] <RoBLiNuX_> I have like 10minutes I just started using it
[04:33] <WebMaven> well, the command is ls
[04:33] <RoBLiNuX_> I dont even know how to configure my looking
[04:33] <WebMaven> so, you can see all the options by doing man ls
[04:34] <RoBLiNuX_> yea
[04:34] <WebMaven> a common use is ls -al
[04:34] <gen> how do i edit sources.list
[04:35] <Amaranth> Is it possible for me to reinstall Ubuntu and have it not wipe out the partition that /home is mounted on?
[04:35] <arun--> Amaranth: i guess so,
[04:35] <Treenaks> Amaranth: yes, just select the "/home" partition, and say "don't format" in the partitioner
[04:35] <Amaranth> oh, cool
[04:35] <Amaranth> ok, see you after i screw something up :P
[04:36] <Amaranth> or not, i lost the CD
[04:36] <gen> how do i edit sources.list :/
[04:36] <Amaranth> gen: vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:36] <WebMaven> * WebMaven wait for the shipit shipment too.
[04:36] <arun--> will a pentium 266 MMX laptop like 5 years old, will it have acpi or apm?
[04:36] <Treenaks> Amaranth: it might have both
[04:36] <Treenaks> my 4 year old laptop has ACPI
[04:37] <theine> arun--: I'd bet on apm
[04:37] <gen> Amaranth: all i see is blue asterisks
[04:37] <cardador> gen: nano /etc/apt/sources.list is easier :)
[04:37] <cardador> vim is hard to understand for newbies (like me)
[04:37] <RoBLiNuX_> how do i change my fonts and stuff to be a lil bigger?
[04:38] <cardador> RoBLiNuX_: computer > desktop pref > font
[04:38] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: check the 'computer' menu, it has a "fonts" entry somewhere
[04:38] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: you can set your fonts t here
[04:38] <RoBLiNuX_> just did it Thanks
[04:38] <gen> cardador: thanks, that is easier :)
[04:38] <RoBLiNuX_> you cant use KDE here?
[04:38] <cardador> gen: ;)
[04:39] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: you can, but it's not really supported
[04:39] <RoBLiNuX_> no problem
[04:39] <cardador> gen: even easier -> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:39] <RoBLiNuX_> So how long does it take for the average user to learn ubuntu?
[04:39] <cardador> RoBLiNuX_: my girlfriend -> 5 minutes
[04:39] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: depends on the user's willingness to learn and his/her general computer-savvyness
[04:40] <cardador> RoBLiNuX_: it depends on what you want
[04:40] <WebMaven> RoBLiNuX_, depends on what you mean by 'learn'.
[04:40] <theine> RoBLiNuX: depends on a lot of things...
[04:40] <gen> when im in nano, after i edited, how do i save
[04:40] <esoteric> ctrl-x
[04:41] <gen> thank you esoteric
[04:41] <theine> isn't it crtl-o?
[04:41] <chibifs> ctrl-x is close and save.
[04:41] <RoBLiNuX_> Well all my windows knowledge I want to have more knowledge in Linux, in windows I can do whatever I want (burn cds, download music, chat, listen to music, maintain it by defrag, antivirus, firewall, msconfig (Startup), spyware free, send/receive emails, etc
[04:41] <theine> who uses nano anyway?
[04:41] <chibifs> Nano owns. :P
[04:41] <cardador> RoBLiNuX_: on linux you can skip the last things you said :)
[04:42] <RoBLiNuX_> spyware, antivirus, security ?
[04:42] <Treenaks> cardador: well, except mail ;)
[04:42] <esoteric> forget nano.. pico is where its at
[04:42] <chibifs> antivirus? spyware? defrag?
[04:42] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: there is no spyware, almost no viruses, and defragging is pointless
[04:42] <maximaus> I use nano because I'm too dense to learn anything else. :P
[04:42] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: (uh, no virusses, basically)
[04:42] <WebMaven> RoBLiNuX_, you can forget about defragging.
[04:42] <RoBLiNuX_> treenaks, Thanks
[04:42] <shaver> you'll wish you could defrag, perhaps
[04:42] <Treenaks> shaver: nah
[04:43] <shaver> oh, my, yes
[04:43] <WebMaven> shaver, why?
[04:43] <shaver> I worked on a high-performance filesystem for Linux for 2 years
[04:43] <chibifs> Is anyone using reiser4 yet? :o
[04:43] <shaver> we ran (run) atop ext3
[04:43] <shaver> fragmentation can hurt you
[04:43] <shaver> and it's hard to fix after initial allocation, with common tools
[04:43] <RoBLiNuX_> how about security like hackers? would you be at risk without no firewall? i hear linux doesnt have any problems like windows does, but just curious
[04:43] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: by default, there are no open ports
[04:44] <arun--> ubuntu is closed by default
[04:44] <chibifs> Hacking means something diffrent to linux, Rob.
[04:44] <RoBLiNuX_> Thanks
[04:44] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: and if you keep up to date (subscribe to the security-announce mailinglist, see lists.ubuntu.com), crackers won't be able to do anything
[04:44] <arun--> but if you install some daemons like name server, ftp, email server, then ports will be open
[04:44] <chibifs> hacking is debugging and improving upon software, patching security holes. :P
[04:44] <arun--> may be then you need a firewall
[04:45] <RoBLiNuX_> so lets see go to www.grc.com and click on shields up then go down to shields up n see if you have open ports or not
[04:46] <WebMaven> RoBLiNuX_, there are plenty of firewalls avalibale, both to run as an end-user systema, and as a firewall for the rest of the nework.
[04:46] <RoBLiNuX_> i mean i will be connected via a router anyways in a few days
[04:46] <chibifs> RoBLiNuX_ - I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about security at all. Unless you're incredibly paranoid. I've never been damaged even on a completely open system.
[04:46] <gen> i can't get vlc to install
[04:46] <WebMaven> RoBLiNuX_, so, you can take an otherwise underpowered old computer stick an extra $13 network-card in, and you have a corporate firewall for your network.
[04:47] <RoBLiNuX_> Well I ran a test and it said I have no open ports they are just closed
[04:47] <pedru> and i have never been kicked in the nuts in public
[04:47] <gen> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:47] <gen>   gnome-vlc: Depends: vlc (= 0.7.0-0woody.4) but it is not going to be installedE: Broken packages
[04:47] <pedru> but it could happen all the time :-)
[04:47] <gen> says this when i attempt
[04:47] <pedru> @gen woody?
[04:48] <gen> yes
[04:48] <Rhymes> i've messed up the sudoers file, and now i can't do anything that requires root authorization, can somebody help me? any ideas?
[04:48] <gen> tried sudo apt-get install gnome-vlc libdvdcss2
[04:48] <pedru> @gen: 1 sec please
[04:48] <gen> ok
[04:48] <Treenaks> Rhymes: reboot in recovery mode
[04:48] <Treenaks> Rhymes: then fix the sudoers file
[04:48] <RoBLiNuX_> WebMaven, i have my laptop is dsl/router + software firewall already i purchased a router no need for more but you know you never 100% nobody wants me anyways lol its just incase if I get trojans on windows or something wants to connect out or in or whenever im on a file sharing p2p prog
[04:48] <Rhymes> Treenaks: ok thanks
[04:48] <WebMaven> RoBLiNuX_, here is some advice: Don't run as root. Sometimes desktop internet software (like XChat) can be vulnerable.
[04:48] <Treenaks> Rhymes: next time, use visudo -- it won't let you mess up the sudoers file
[04:48] <Rhymes> :)
[04:49] <pedru> @gen: i got vlc installed...
[04:49] <Rhymes> i forgot a colon :(
[04:49] <RoBLiNuX_> no problem, im on my laptop trillian irc . i gotta play with my desktop first lol then i can log off trillian here and go on my desktop
[04:49] <gen> how pedru
[04:49] <Treenaks> Rhymes: using visudo will catch that
[04:49] <pedru> @gen: maybe use another repository...
[04:49] <Rhymes> ok thanks
[04:49] <pedru> want my sources.list
[04:49] <gen> such as
[04:49] <gen> yes
[04:49] <pedru> 1 sec please
[04:50] <WebMaven> pedru, so, do you want to add that missing experience?
[04:50] <gen> pedru: not letting me accept
[04:50] <pedru> mwhat?
[04:50] <theine> OpenOffice Impress almost hangs for ever when starting up. Is there anybody having the same problem?
[04:50] <pedru> maybe :-)
[04:51] <WebMaven> pedru, yes or no.
[04:51] <gen> pedru: when i click accept, nothign
[04:51] <RoBLiNuX_> so how about cookies i dont see to check ask before accepting like i do on windows?
[04:51] <pedru> @WebMaven: i dont know what youre talking about
[04:51] <pedru> @gen: mhh...
[04:52] <pedru> once again...
[04:52] <gen> status says connect
[04:52] <pedru> same prob?
[04:52] <gen> but then nothing
[04:52] <pedru> thx for not kicking me
[04:52] <WebMaven> no problem.
[04:52] <WebMaven> anytime.
[04:53] <theine> RoBLiNuX_: try to distibguish between operting system, webbrowser, kernel and so on...
[04:53] <RoBLiNuX_> theine, what youmean
[04:53] <pedru> @gen ... wait
[04:53] <gen> ok
[04:53] <theine> RoBLiNuX_: it's not windows asking you about cookies but internet explorer :)
[04:54] <RoBLiNuX_> true :)
[04:54] <theine> RoBLiNuX_: Forget it, don't take me too seriously
[04:54] <RoBLiNuX_> So yea do I need to be careful what cookies I accept ?
[04:54] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: if you want to
[04:54] <RoBLiNuX_> or just leave it default since theres no problems with Linux itself? no spyware
[04:54] <pedru> @gen : http://www.pastebin.com/117924
[04:55] <pedru> i think youre missing multiverse
[04:55] <RoBLiNuX_> cookies > spyware thats why I have on block third party cookies on my IE and ask for first parties
[04:55] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: yes, you can always change it later if you like
[04:55] <gen> yes was just universe
[04:55] <agenteo> someone here knows about gnoppix? I'd like to download the image but I don't know what's the one: gnoppix_0.8.1.iso gnoppix_warty_0.8.2-RC2.iso (naaaa...) or warty-release-live-i386.iso
[04:56] <pedru> gnoppix =  gnome based knoppix
[04:56] <arun--> any one using Hoary?
[04:56] <RoBLiNuX_> Treenaks, but my question is since you said theres no spyware in linux then I dont need to do that ask me for accepting cookies or not
[04:56] <theine> agenteo: go for the last one, it's not gnoppix though...
[04:56] <pedru> gnoppix-warty = gnoppix based ubuntu
[04:56] <Treenaks> RoBLiNuX_: you still might want it ..
[04:56] <theine> arun--: I am
[04:57] <ibtuten> hi, I have a tech support question, if anybody minds answering
[04:57] <pedru> just ask
[04:57] <RoBLiNuX_> Treenaks, why if theres no so called spyware in linux? and the only reason why I ask for cookies to be accepted or blocked in IE is because cookies can be spyware
[04:57] <arun--> theine: is it stable enuff?
[04:57] <ibtuten> k, I installed Windows alongside my Ubuntu partition, and now grub doesn't load on startup... how do I put it back as the default mbr loader
[04:57] <gen> pedru: would it be safe to copy this one, and replace it with old
[04:57] <gen> instead of manually seeing what matches
[04:58] <arun--> i should ask, is it usable?
[04:58] <ibtuten> I'm on the live CD right now
[04:58] <theine> arun--: it didn't crash yet but there are a few glitches
[04:58] <pedru> yes it works but i suggest you only copy the multiverse line
[04:58] <gen> ok
[04:58] <pedru> yes it is :-)
[04:58] <theine> arun--: most noticeable in my case the esd deamon seems to be fucked up and openoffice takes forever to start up
[04:58] <pedru> @ibtuten: okay... usually you install windows first...
[04:59] <ibtuten> pedru, true, but my Windows partition screwed up, so I had to reinstall
[04:59] <pedru> ibtuten, you need to chroot in your system and setz the boot loader up
[04:59] <arun--> may be will install hoary on the pentium 266 MMX, but it has only 64 MB ram (it was huge in those days :) )
[04:59] <theine> arun--: both issues where not present in warty
[04:59] <ibtuten> ok, I don't know how to do that
[04:59] <theine> arun--: you're going to need some patience for that...
[04:59] <pedru> mhh... use something like knoppix
[05:00] <arun--> theine: :) yeah, may be i will install it, and jump to blackbox, and see how it works
[05:00] <agenteo> theine: I just need a distro using gnome, I've read that "Gnoppix is a linux live cd based upon Ubuntu Linux." I'd like to find gnome 2.8 there
[05:00] <gen> pedru: so "
[05:00] <gen> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse" is the only thing i add?
[05:00] <ibtuten> hm, I can't do it from the ubuntu live cd? I have my linux partition mounted
[05:00] <pedru> ibtuten, mount your linux filesystems and chroot in the directory
[05:00] <pedru> google around a bit
[05:01] <pedru> another possibility would be the r.i.p. disk
[05:01] <RoBLiNuX_> anyone downloads music on ubuntu? watches movies , dvds, downloaded mpeg , avi, etc?
[05:01] <Matt|> RoBLiNuX_, yes
[05:01] <pedru> RoBLiNuX_, yes
[05:01] <ibtuten> ok
[05:01] <pedru> there is a boot manager you can install
[05:01] <theine> agentoe: really? it's based on ubuntu?
[05:01] <RoBLiNuX_> I dont need no codecs ?
[05:01] <pedru> RoBLiNuX_, depends on what youre watching
[05:01] <Matt|> RoBLiNuX_, yeah you need the codecs.
[05:02] <RoBLiNuX_> I will be watching all kinds of vids files (avi, mpeg, wav, etc)
[05:02] <pedru> well you better get some codecs then
[05:02] <Matt|> RoBLiNuX_, you'll find a good guide here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:03] <Matt|> btw the wiki in the topic is the old one: someone needs to update it
[05:03] <Matt|> any ops here?
[05:04] <RoBLiNuX_> thanks matt
[05:04] <gen> pedro: thanks for the help, worked
[05:04] <Matt|> RoBLiNuX_, let us know if it doesn't work :)
[05:04] <RoBLiNuX_> let me try lol
[05:04] <lemsx1> hello all
[05:05] <gen> Matt|: did you get the flash working?
[05:05] <Matt|> gen, nope am pretty sure there is no fix
[05:05] <Matt|> gen, at least for a non-geek like me
[05:05] <cardador> anyone know an easy way to comunicate with a device on ttys0 (com1 on windows)?
[05:05] <Matt|> gen, you can install RC2 from source if you wanna working copy
[05:05] <gen> yea
[05:06] <Matt|> gen, chip in on the bug if you like: i have the feeling mdz doesn't believe that it is a bug
[05:07] <Matt|> (3302)
[05:07] <gen> pedru
[05:09] <arun--> goodnight
[05:11] <gen> hey guys
[05:11] <gen> how do i put a file into the applications menu
[05:12] <Kamion> (diff: update wiki location, thanks Matt|)
[05:12] <Matt|> thanks Kamion
[05:12] <Matt|> :)
[05:12] <britt__> hey all
[05:12] <Matt|> gen, right click inside the submenu where you want to add it, then select "whole menu", then add new item
[05:13] <Matt|> is xorg around yet?
[05:13] <gen> Wow, i'm an idiot
[05:13] <gen> thanks matt
[05:15] <pedru> is xorg around yet?
[05:15] <Matt|> *laughs*
[05:15] <fabbione> in one or 2 days
[05:15] <pedru> yes 6.8
[05:15] <Matt|> weeeeeeee
[05:15] <ibtuten> hm, ok, I'm in the grub command line, and when I type "root (" and hit tab, it doesn't show any drives...
[05:15] <Matt|> thanks fabbione
[05:15] <pedru> why weeeeeeeeee
[05:15] <Matt|> i am happy
[05:15] <pedru> its not that different
[05:15] <mAIJK> Is GNOME faster than KDE running on an PIII650 Laptop ?
[05:15] <Matt|> pedru, it is for me
[05:16] <Matt|> fabbione, thanks for the hard work
[05:16] <pedru> in which aspects...
[05:16] <britt__> KDE is pretty bulky
[05:16] <Matt|> pedru, 3d acceleration is supported on my video chip
[05:16] <fabbione> Matt|: it's not only me working on it
[05:16] <pedru> which one?
[05:16] <Matt|> fabbione, i know but I've said thanks to daniels already :)
[05:16] <mAIJK> bulky = ?
[05:16] <Matt|> pedru, ATI IGP 340M
[05:17] <Matt|> mAIJK, not sure
[05:17] <pedru> well... then i understand the weeeeeee
[05:17] <pedru> :--)
[05:17] <Matt|> mAIJK, if you want someone real fast then try a stripped down window manager like icewm
[05:17] <Matt|> pedru, :)
[05:17] <ryan> twm!
[05:17] <pedru> my laptop's got an s3 prosavage ddr... :-(((
[05:17] <mAIJK> okey, Is it easy too use?
[05:18] <cardador> mAIJK: the easiest is XFCE4
[05:18] <|progenic|> excuse me, is xine player can play ram/rmbv/rm file ?
[05:18] <Matt|> mAIJK, quite easy, but you have to read a few help documents if you want to design everything yourself (menus, toolbar etc)
[05:18] <mAIJK> okay
[05:18] <|progenic|> or what should i install to make it run on linux
[05:18] <Matt|> xfce is not exactly minimal
[05:18] <pedru> realplayer progenic
[05:18] <mAIJK> I want it to bee fast and not to complicate
[05:19] <pedru> or the codecs
[05:19] <Matt|> |progenic|, i can play ram streams on totem-xine without realplayer
[05:19] <Cuga_> Hey, I have a mysql question that the guys in mysql are ignoring, probably something obvious but i can't think of it, any mysql admins here?
[05:19] <Matt|> |progenic|, i _think_ w32codecs is enough
[05:20] <Matt|> mAIJK, icewm is very easy: it looks a bit like windows 95, and you can install a few themes
[05:20] <cardador> Matt|: i've read somewhere that xfce4 is as fast as fluxbox
[05:20] <netmonk> anyone with a notebook and working acpi and advice for me? ;)
[05:20] <housetier> I could make twm as slow as e17... :)
[05:20] <mAIJK> ok, what is XFCE?
[05:20] <Matt|> mAIJK, another option
[05:20] <Matt|> netmonk, shoot
[05:22] <cardador> mAIJK: http://www.xfce.org/
[05:22] <|progenic|> ic
[05:22] <|progenic|> w32codecs can make my xine to play that file ?
[05:22] <Matt|> |progenic|, i think so
[05:22] <netmonk> Matt|: I can't get my toshiba to suspend, any ideas
[05:23] <Matt|> |progenic|, i can only tell you it is working alright with totem-xine on my machine, and I don't have realplayer installed
[05:23] <Matt|> netmonk, have you tried a few things? If so have a look for a bug :(
[05:23] <mAIJK> Is CFCE and ICEWM on the ubuntu CD?
[05:23] <|progenic|> ok thx
[05:23] <Matt|> mAIJK, no but you can download and install them automatically
[05:24] <mAIJK> ok, Have been installing GENTOO in 2days, but now when that is finished I install ubuntu instead :)
[05:24] <mAIJK> Are you happy with ubuntu ?
[05:24] <Matt|> yeah quite happy
[05:25] <zenwhen> his all
[05:25] <zenwhen> hi*
[05:25] <netmonk> Matt|: I was with SuSE and was able to set few things up through a file called powersave.conf but with Ubuntu I don't have such file
[05:25] <zenwhen> collddd
[05:25] <|progenic|> Matt|, can't find w32codecs on my apt-get
[05:25] <Matt|> |progenic|, you need to add some repositories
[05:26] <Matt|> |progenic|, have a look at the wiki page, you can find the address in the topic to this channel: and search for the RestrictedFormats wiki
[05:26] <Matt|> netmonk, i've never tried to get suspend working i'm afraid. can't help ya
[05:27] <Matt|> netmonk, have a look in /etc/acpi/
[05:27] <netmonk> Matt|:10x
[05:27] <Matt|> and /or /etc/acpi/events
[05:27] <Lenny1729> How can I get my old isa soundcard working under ubuntu? isapnp is not in synaptic
[05:28] <kent> my brother has a usb-modem (Topcom webracer 850) that needs the eciadsl drivers to work. I see that Ubuntu has them, but can some one tell me if Ubuntu will configure the modem on the fly, or do he have to configure it him self? it seems kind of tricky to configure eciadsl :(
[05:30] <jpvcx> Lenny1729 do you have universe enabled?
[05:36] <mAIJK> Does anyone knows if umbuntu have support for USB-WLAN stick ?
[05:36] <[mirak] > bob2, you around???
[05:37] <[mirak] > or any canocial employees around?
[05:37] <|progenic|> controllable canonical form hahaha just study it for exam :P
[05:37] <Kamion> [mirak] : what do you need an employee in particular for?
[05:38] <[mirak] > I was wondering if gnoppix is a canocial project now, or if it just "based" on ubuntu, gnoppix has canocial info on there site
[05:39] <Kamion> [mirak] : we have some kind of agreement with them, and we employ one of their lead developers
[05:40] <nosilver4u> any idea if it's possible to reset your postgresql password without knowing the current one?
[05:40] <[mirak] > kamion, so that is a "kinda"
[05:40] <Lenny1729> Is it possible to update ubunto from one major release to the another?
[05:41] <Matt|> Lenny1729, yes although there has so far been just 1 release
[05:41] <Amaranth> Um.
[05:41] <Kamion> [mirak] : right, but also I don't know the exact status
[05:41] <Amaranth> The Ubuntu installer didn't let me choose a root password.
[05:41] <shaver> use sudo
[05:41] <Kamion> Amaranth: yes, and it should have told you that on the first screen after reboot.
[05:41] <nosilver4u> nm
[05:41] <shaver> (it says that during the install, no?)
[05:41] <mercurus> I've just started working on a Multimedia HOWTO on the Wiki ... could people have a look over it, and see if there is anything not listed on the draft contents that they would like added ? if so, comment :)
[05:41] <Kamion> Amaranth: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[05:41] <Matt|> Amaranth, that is correct: have a browse to the FAQ listed in the topic, and you can see
[05:42] <[mirak] > kamion, kk thank you
[05:42] <Amaranth> Matt|: I can't, I'm not even sure how I got here.
[05:42] <Matt|> ^^ what he said
[05:42] <Amaranth> My /etc/resolv.conf is screwed.
[05:42] <Amaranth> sudo works though
[05:42] <Matt|> Amaranth, oh i c
[05:42] <dieman> im surprised at how well FAI works with ubuntu once you add in udev and hotplug :)
[05:42] <Matt|> Amaranth, just try deleting your resolv.conf (back it up) and restart your network
[05:43] <Amaranth> Matt|: It's a configuration problem. It thinks I have a network or something.
[05:43] <Amaranth> Trying to search a domain.
[05:43] <Amaranth> Anyway, I have it fixed now.
[05:44] <Matt|> k
[05:51] <weasell1> how do I enable the Root user in ubuntu? and then, how do I disable it again? :)
[05:51] <Matt|> weasell1, you don't really need to enable it: you can use sudo to gain root privileges
[05:51] <daniels> um, just use sudo
[05:51] <Matt|> heya daniels
[05:51] <weasell1> nope, need root for this
[05:51] <Matt|> weasell1, sudo gives you full root privileges
[05:52] <Matt|> what is it you want to do?
[05:52] <weasell1> I need to login to webmin for the first time using roto username/pass which resolve to nothing unless the user is active
[05:52] <nonajme> weasell1: but, if you want a root account you can type sudo passwd root
[05:52] <weasell1> roto/root
[05:52] <ryan> weasell1: do this: sudo sh
[05:52] <Matt|> weasell1, you can press sudo -s
[05:52] <Matt|> yeah either of those
[05:52] <ryan> or what matt said ;)
[05:52] <Matt|> what he said
[05:53] <Matt|> :p
[05:53] <weasell1> none of that helps because I'm not in a terminal window, I'm on a machine far, far away and I'm logging in through a user: pass: field in an html browser window
[05:53] <Kamion> hang on, webmin actually wants your root password over *HTTP authentication*?
[05:54] <Kamion> Isn't that thoroughly, absurdly dangerous, and isn't there some other way to do it?
[05:54] <Matt|> *laughs*
[05:54] <Kamion> like, designating some webmin-specific username/password pair
[05:54] <weasell1> kamion: it's a defect of the ubuntu install process aparantly. If you use synaptic it defaults to root which you can then login and change. If you install the tarball manually (which I'm too newbish to do) then it asks you for a name/pass to use
[05:55] <Kamion> a defect of the *Ubuntu* installation process?
[05:55] <Kamion> or do you mean the webmin package?
[05:55] <Matt|> weasell1, is that a ubuntu base package?
[05:55] <Matt|> if it is, filea bug
[05:55] <daniels> Matt|: hey dude
[05:55] <weasell1> *rolls eyes* either way, is it possible to do this, or am I SOL on the whole deal?
[05:55] <Kamion> no, webmin's in universe
[05:56] <Kamion> weasell1: I care about the distinction because I'm responsible for the Ubuntu installer :P
[05:56] <Matt|> weasell1, yes you can enable the root account, but it would be cool to file the bug too, if it is universe then maybe you can file the bug to debian
[05:56] <Matt|> nonajme said how to enable the root account
[05:57] <Matt|> ^^
[05:57] <weasell1> Kam: well then, you're just plain justified in asking, aren't you :P I have no idea who's fault it is though. I just installed linux yesterday
[05:57] <dieman> its too bad hotplug doesn't go after scsi and ide busses, it seems
[05:57] <dieman> oh well
[05:57] <dieman> time to write up a small shell script to deal with discover1, probally replicating some part of d-i
[05:58] <Kamion> weasell1: webmin's password file lives in /etc/webmin/miniserv.users, apparently
[05:58] <SuperQ> dieman: hrm
[05:58] <pille> is there an easy way to install eclipse?
[05:59] <Kamion> weasell1: if webmin's your *only* way to access the machine for now, I'm afraid you're SOL until you can log in properly and edit /etc/webmin/miniserv.users to add a more sensible user
[05:59] <Matt|> he could enable the root account no?
[06:00] <Kamion> Matt|: not if he can only access the machine using webmin, he can't
[06:00] <drakonim> if its a recent version of webmin there should be an item for launching a console
[06:00] <Kamion> 16:53 < weasell1> none of that helps because I'm not in a terminal window, I'm on a machine far, far away and I'm logging in through a user: pass: field in an html browser window
[06:00] <Kamion> drakonim: not if he can't log into webmin
[06:00] <drakonim> Kamion, thats what i get for bumping into a convo halfway throuhg :-D
[06:03] <weasell1> ok I was able to find the password file. Added an entry [name] :[pass] , which I then saved and restarted webmin. says invalid user/pass on the login site
[06:03] <Kamion> the password isn't cleartext in that file
[06:03] <Kamion> it's crypted in the same way as /etc/passwd entries
[06:03] <weasell1> crap. time to walk all the way back to the machine again :)
[06:03] <Kamion> simplest way might be to copy the password block from an entry in /etc/shadow whose password you know.
[06:04] <weasell1> You'll like this: can I leave it blank? :
[06:04] <Kamion> weasell1: don't think that's valid ...
[06:06] <Matt|> weasell1, how are you accessing the machine to change the password?
[06:07] <weasell1> matt: I'm taking an elevator down two floors
[06:07] <Perc> hm
[06:07] <Perc> a question
[06:07] <Perc> I just installed the new ubuntu, and firefox can't look up server names
[06:07] <Perc> it works in the console (host, ping etc)
[06:08] <weasell1> Kam: neat, copying password block from shadow worked. that was cool. But now the username I typed in has no access ("only user 'root' has access to this [, the main]  menu")
[06:08] <LinuxJones> Perc, maybe it is jsut taking a very long time ?
[06:09] <Matt|> Perc, you can ping server names?
[06:09] <Perc> yes I can
[06:09] <Matt|> weird
[06:09] <pedru> _
[06:09] <Perc> lookups using "host" is instant
[06:09] <Matt|> Perc, have you updated the install?
[06:10] <Perc> so far no
[06:10] <nickers> is there anyone who has played with ACPI/SUSP in here?
[06:10] <pedru> Perc, try something else ftp, or alternate brwoser (links)
[06:10] <Matt|> Perc, you will find that if you do, firefox will revert to 0.9.3
[06:10] <Matt|> Perc, they had a lot of bugs with 0.10pR
[06:10] <Perc> hm
[06:10] <Matt|> Perc, maybe this is one of em
[06:10] <Perc> WTF
[06:11] <Perc> my wifi card seems to work out of the box
[06:11] <Perc> so far I'm impressed
[06:11] <Matt|> Perc, well that is compensation :)
[06:11] <Perc> brb
[06:11] <LinuxJones> Perc, there was a problem with ipv6 support loaded by default. It caused very slow dns resolution with Mozilla.
[06:12] <dredg> solution 1: implement ipv6 on your network
[06:12] <dredg> solution 2: stop the module from loading
[06:13] <dredg> i covered 2 on ubuntu-users last week or the week before
[06:13] <Matt|> dredg, stick it in the wiki?
[06:13] <zenwhen> Does anyone have K3B working and burning audio CD's in Ubuntu? I have Kernel 2.6.9 installed so I am not dealing with the 2.6.8.1 issue. I just cant get it to begin a burn.
[06:14] <ficusplanet> zenwhen, It works for me, but I don't think I can be of much help - it just worked.
[06:14] <dredg> in short: edit /etc/modprobe.d/aliases
[06:14] <dredg> find the line 'alias net-pf-10 ipv6'
[06:14] <dredg> change 'ipv6' to 'off'
[06:14] <dredg> reboot
[06:14] <zenwhen> Oh
[06:14] <zenwhen> I installed it and it just doesnt work.
[06:15] <zenwhen> Im not sure I'll be able to stick with ubuntu if I cant get k3b working. :/ Im going to kep trying though.
[06:16] <Perc> Matt|, firefox seems to be 0.9.3
[06:16] <Tsjoklate> zenwhen did you read the howto on the ubu site?
[06:16] <Matt|> Perc, your answer is by dredg above ^^
[06:16] <zenwhen> yes
[06:16] <Tsjoklate> there are some special things you have to do to get k3b to work
[06:16] <kagou> hi
[06:16] <zenwhen> is there a GOOD howto?
[06:16] <RoBLiNuX> My ubuntu takes like 5minutes to start up why?
[06:16] <Perc> Matt|, thanks :)
[06:17] <zenwhen> I just saw some crap about logging in and k3b.
[06:17] <Tsjoklate> tried the forums too?
[06:17] <RoBLiNuX> Before it reaches the login screen, it stays in the black n white screen loading stuff and takes long
[06:17] <Tsjoklate> http://ubuntuforums.org
[06:17] <dredg> i'll chuck it into the wiki later :)
[06:17] <LinuxJones> RoBLiNuX, what kind of system are you running, ie ram processor ?
[06:17] <Matt|> RoBLiNuX, this is normal
[06:17] <RoBLiNuX> Celeron 634mhz, 256mb sdram
[06:17] <RoBLiNuX> Ok Matt just thought it was weird
[06:17] <dredg> i'd love to know why ipv6 is loaded by default on 2.6 though
[06:18] <LinuxJones> RoBLiNuX, that's a pretty crappy processor there but it shouldn't take 5 minutes
[06:18] <Tsjoklate> I would look for you zenwhen but my modem is crapping out
[06:18] <pedru> pretty slow machine
[06:18] <dieman> heh
[06:18] <dieman> and i feel like the xp 1800+ im on is slow
[06:19] <dieman> little intel space heater.
[06:19] <zenwhen> I cant find it.
[06:19] <Kamion> dredg: better that it be loaded by default and get out of the way of those who don't need it, than for those who do need it to have to scrabble around wondering why things don't work
[06:19] <zenwhen> I know someone said there was a HOWTO... but the one I found has NOTHING about gertting K3B working.
[06:19] <Kamion> dredg: if it isn't getting out of your way, then we want to fix that rather than just nuking ipv6
[06:19] <zenwhen> It just says some stuff about logging in after setting it up.
[06:19] <dredg> Kamion: i agree.
[06:20] <dredg> Kamion: im not really in a position to test though. i use ipv6 :)
[06:20] <RoBLiNuX> yea my pc sucks but it would be a better use to do with linux than anything else thats why I asked if my system was ok to run with ubuntu , because maybe ubutn needed more requirements
[06:20] <LinuxJones> RoBLiNuX, disable all unnecessary services that you don't need, it will help you boottime quite a bit. Check to see if DMA is enabled on your disk as well.
[06:21] <dredg> but yes. if it doesnt get an ipv6 address either from a route advertiser or as assigned manually, ipv6 shouldnt attempt connections anywhere
[06:21] <Matt|> RoBLiNuX, don't delete anything vital :)
[06:21] <RoBLiNuX> LinuxJones, no problem and how do i get to disable those services?
[06:21] <RoBLiNuX> :)
[06:21] <dredg> the problem is though, if you have v6 loaded and $site has AAAA records, apps that are v6 enabled will attempt to connect to those first
[06:22] <Kamion> dredg: yeah, that one's a hassle
[06:22] <dredg> so i'm actually of the opinion that if you dont use ipv6, you shouldnt be loading ipv6
[06:22] <sjoerd> dredg: and the get E_NOROUTE immediatly, so there should be no delay
[06:22] <dredg> sjoerd: true..
[06:22] <Kamion> dredg: the problem comes when you have a broken IPv6 setup, not when you have a usable but unconfigured IPv6 setup
[06:23] <LinuxJones> RoBLiNuX, first you can see what services you are running by doing lsof -i (in the sudo -s console)
[06:23] <Tsjoklate> brb
[06:24] <mAIJK> Im going to install XFCE, is it xfce-4.1.91-rpm-rh9.tar.bz2 I should download?
[06:24] <Matt|> mAIJK, nope
[06:24] <Matt|> mAIJK, use synaptic
[06:24] <[mirak] > maijk, xfce4 is apt-getable
[06:24] <mAIJK> Matt| aha!
[06:25] <mAIJK> just finished my installation of ubuntu, i like what I see! ;)
[06:25] <nickers> Matt|, is the newest xfce beta in there?
[06:25] <Matt|> nickers, unlikely
[06:26] <mtl> what file i need to edit to start gnome+fluxbox instead gnome+metacity?
[06:27] <mAIJK> Under wich section do I find ICEWM & XFCE ?
[06:27] <Matt|> mtl, check out gconf-editor
[06:27] <Matt|> mtl, in applications --> system tools --> configuration editor
[06:27] <Perc> hm
[06:27] <mjr> mtl, the window manager is just yet another program started in the session
[06:27] <Perc> the wlan card seems to be almost working
[06:27] <zenwhen> oh
[06:28] <zenwhen> I fixed k3b
[06:28] <kingsley> A draft of a graph that shows the best data compression algorithms for network data transfers with various hardwares is at http://www.nas.com/~change/private/best_compressors_for_networking.png. Comments welcome.
[06:28] <sand0r> Is anyone here familiar with this error ... "dircolors: no SHELL environment variable, and no shell type option given" ?
[06:28] <zenwhen> I needed to update cdrecord
[06:28] <mjr> from preferences/sessions, turn autorestart for metacity off, kill metacity, start fluxbox, save session
[06:28] <zenwhen> lol
[06:28] <mjr> that should basically work
[06:29] <Matt|> mtl, if you want it everytime: go to the configuration editor, and then follow desktop -> gnome -> applications -> window manager to change it
[06:29] <mjr> Matt|, I don't think that really works anymore
[06:30] <mjr> but I might be wrong; sure, give it a shot
[06:30] <Matt|> mjr, oh. it is still there!
[06:30] <mjr> yes, it is
[06:32] <sand0r>  "dircolors: no SHELL environment variable, and no shell type option given" Where do I need to fix this?
[06:33] <dredg> actually, if someone is having problems due to ipv6 being loaded, i'd love to see the output of 'ip -6 addr' and 'ip -6 route show'
[06:33] <Amaranth> paraphrasing this error message, i can't remember exactly what it said: EXT_fs : something somthing start_transaction: Journal aborted
[06:34] <Amaranth> i just got that on a tty dumped over and over again
[06:34] <Amaranth> had to reboot
[06:35] <kil> Hello, I'm searching about activate alsa in Hoary on my notebook. pci=noacpi recognize by Warty but not by Hoary.
[06:37] <mAIJK> Hittar intew ICEWM i Synaptic :(
[06:38] <Matt|> mAIJK, you may have to add the universe repository. have a look in the settings under repository
[06:39] <mtl> blah... I cannot get fluxbox to run everytime :(
[06:39] <mAIJK> found it ;)
[06:39] <mAIJK> Should I install ICEWM only?
[06:39] <mAIJK> It's alot of files
[06:40] <jamaas> Is there an award for most obscure question of the day/week ??  ;)
[06:41] <LinuxJones> jamaas, we can start one :)
[06:43] <jamaas> LinuxJones: Great idea but just to warn you, the rest of you don't have a chance ... I can dig em up from places you wouldn't even dream of  ... :-!
[06:45] <LinuxJones> jamaas, heh
[06:46] <jamaas> Here goes, I'm trying to compile a new version of gnome, and it is looking for openldap-dev and yet I, in my novice ignorance, can't find such a critter for Debian/Ubuntu, what have I missed ...
[06:46] <kil> quelqu'un parle francais ici ?
[06:46] <Matt|> kil: /cs list #ubuntu*
[06:46] <LinuxJones> jamaas, firstly why are you compiling your own version of Gnome ?
[06:46] <Tufek> hi everyone..i have a question...how can i something donwload and install with apt-get on ubuntu ? for example i would like amsn ...
[06:47] <Matt|> Tufek, apt-get install amsn
[06:47] <jamaas> Uhmmm... Its my idea of fun .... ???  Are you guys going to hurt me ??  I kinda like what Garnome are doing
[06:47] <sand0r>  "dircolors: no SHELL environment variable, and no shell type option given" Where do I need to fix this?
[06:47] <Tufek> Matt|, i tried but give the like that Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:47] <Tufek> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:47] <Tufek> E: Couldn't find package amsn
[06:48] <Matt|> Tufek, try using synaptic, and opening the universe repository in the settings
[06:48] <LinuxJones> jamaas, try installing libldap2-dev
[06:49] <Tufek> Matt|, sorry i dont know how do u explain me please ?
[06:49] <jamaas> LinuxJones: It doesn't show up for me in synaptic, where might it be hidden ?
[06:49] <Matt|> Tufek, sure. Open the package manager (synaptic) by going to Computer --> System --> Synaptic
[06:49] <LinuxJones> jamaas, you probably have to add the universe repository
[06:49] <Matt|> Tufek, then go to settings, repositories, and add the universe repository
[06:50] <jamaas> LinuxJones: I have and don't find it there ... :-(
[06:50] <Tufek> Matt|, ok thanks a lot i`m going to trying now :)
[06:50] <smunro> folks, where do I set shell environments for root. dircolors is crying in pain.
[06:50] <LinuxJones> jamaas, did you do an update of the repositories ?
[06:50] <kent> When a friend installed Ubuntu on is laptop, he could not see more than the grub-thing. He sais that the harddisk is still loading, so perhaps its some problem with framebuffer or something like that? Can some one tell me if there is something i could try to make it work?
[06:50] <LinuxJones> jamaas, apt-get update or in Synaptic click the reload button
[06:51] <jamaas> LinuxJones: now there's a good question, not in the last couple of days but will now, back in a minute, thanks
[06:51] <jamaas> Tufek: Matt is good at this stuff, lucky you!
[06:52] <Matt|> ?
[06:52] <ficusplanet> What is the name of the icon used for the About Ubuntu... launcher?
[06:53] <Tufek> Matt|, ok i fount settings, repositories but how add the universe repository is?
[06:53] <Matt|> Tufek, it should be in the list, you can activate it
[06:54] <Tufek> Matt|, ok thanks again :)
[06:55] <smunro> tap tap
[06:55] <Matt|> smunro, sup?
[06:55] <smunro> Can you help me fix this error ?   "dircolors: no SHELL environment variable, and no shell type option given"
[06:56] <Matt|> no
[06:56] <Matt|> :(
[06:56] <Matt|> otherwise we would have said something
[06:56] <Matt|> sorry!
[06:56] <smunro> thanks for answering.
[06:56] <Matt|> ty ;)
[06:57] <Matt|> keep asking later though someone else might know how to help you
[06:57] <Matt|> what are you doin?
[06:57] <smunro> fooled around in /etc/shadow and ending up really messing up root authentication. got it fixed (mostly) but now opening a root terminal cries with that dircolors message
[06:58] <smunro> what am I doin? learning by screwing stuff up.
[06:58] <Matt|> the only way :)
[06:58] <umarmung> smunro, maybe some messed up variable in .bash_profile ?
[06:59] <smunro> in /root ?
[06:59] <smunro> or in my users home?
[07:00] <umarmung> smunro, the one you login with
[07:01] <bagpuss> is there some sort of extra magic I have to do to persuade gnome-volume-manager to automount a CD/DVD on insert?
[07:01] <jamaas> LinuxJones: Still digging and don't find open-ldap-dev   or anything for that matter that is ldap except something from sourceforge and I don't think its that one!?
[07:01] <bagpuss> it's ticked in the settings thing, but totally fails to work
[07:01] <umarmung> smunro, cp /etc/skel/.bash* ~
[07:02] <smunro> umarmung, nailed it. ty
[07:02] <umarmung> :)
[07:03] <mjr> bag, it needs to be in fstab
[07:03] <bagpuss> mjr: hmm
[07:04] <bagpuss> grr, copy and paste aren't workiong either :(
[07:05] <kent> do some one know why a friend who recently installed Ubuntu on his laptop only gets to the stage where grub loads. Then nothing happens :(  What could be the problem? He installed it on a non-laptop computor also, and it works there.  :(
[07:05] <swanriversean> \help
[07:05] <bagpuss> mjr: what would the line in fstab look like?  There's  an fstab line for /dev/hdc to mount it to /medcia/cdrom0
[07:05] <LinuxJones> jamaas, are you running warty or hoary
[07:06] <bagpuss>  /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0
[07:06] <mjr> well that should probably do it
[07:06] <jamaas> LinuxJones: warty
[07:07] <mjr> are you in the plugdev group?
[07:07] <bagpuss> well, it fails to work :(
[07:07] <LinuxJones> jamaas, you don't have the universe repository enabled
[07:07] <bagpuss> mjr: yes
[07:07] <jamaas> LinuxJones: thought I did, how can I make sure ..
[07:08] <bagpuss> groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),103(plugdev),107(lpadmin),108(scanner),1000(andy)
[07:08] <LinuxJones> jamaas, easiest is to run synaptic then >> settings >>reposiroties
[07:09] <jamaas> LinuxJones: I think you got me, how do I add universe?
[07:09] <bagpuss> it also fails to play a DVD when insertes...again, ticked in properties :(
[07:10] <LinuxJones> jamaas, click the ubuntu repsoitory (that has main in the section)  add the sections to look like this >> main restricted universe
[07:10] <Kamion> jamaas: libldap2-dev is in warty main; you shouldn't need universe for that
[07:10] <Kamion> jamaas: it's not on the CD, though, so make sure you have the network repositories enabled
[07:11] <Kamion> LinuxJones: shouldn't be necessary for GNOME!
[07:11] <LinuxJones> jamaas, there you go
[07:11] <Kamion> LinuxJones: think about it: we build GNOME for Ubuntu using what's in main
[07:11] <LinuxJones> Kamion, I just assumed it was in there because he couldn't install it via apt
[07:11] <Kamion> always best to check first
[07:12] <Kamion> universe's unsupported nature means it's best only to use it when it's necessary
[07:13] <xuzo> hi
[07:13] <merlin0> hello
[07:13] <xuzo> i got a sugestion about gnome-panel
[07:14] <Amaranth> xuzo: The Ubuntu folks didn't create GNOME. :)
[07:14] <LinuxJones> Kamion, he wan't to compile gnome for something to do, using Garanome
[07:14] <xuzo> Amaranth: yes, i know
[07:14] <xuzo> but i think ubuntu can fix this issue
[07:14] <Kamion> LinuxJones: yes, I read that
[07:14] <LinuxJones> Kamion, but I understand you point thanks
[07:14] <Amaranth> xuzo: What's the issue?
[07:14] <pao> where do I set up gnome theme colors?
[07:15] <Amaranth> ahh, they took the funny message out of About Panels
[07:15] <xuzo> Amaranth: click on panel to give keyboard focus
[07:15] <jamaas> LinuxJones: Kamion I'm thrilled for the help really but you guys go so fast yo loose where am I now .. I do have universe installed
[07:15] <xuzo> and press the keybinding for toggle maximize state
[07:15] <Amaranth> in 2.6 (or 2.5, i can't remember) it said it was responsible for random system crashes
[07:15] <xuzo> the panel "unmaximizes"
[07:15] <Kamion> jamaas: bring up a terminal, type 'sudo apt-get install libldap2-dev', tell me what happens
[07:15] <xuzo> and positions of all elements on it are lost
[07:16] <Kamion> jamaas: you don't need universe, best to revert that change I think
[07:16] <jamaas> Kamion: deal!
[07:16] <pao> I must get rid of brown :-)
[07:16] <Amaranth> xuzo: It doesn't here.
[07:16] <Kamion> jamaas: (shouldn't need it for this, anyway)
[07:16] <Amaranth> pao: Computer>Desktop Preferences>Theme
[07:16] <xuzo> Amaranth: sorry i'm not a native english speaker, i dont undestand you :(
[07:17] <Amaranth> pao: I'd suggest Industrial.
[07:17] <Amaranth> xuzo: The panel doesn't "unmaximize" for me.
[07:17] <xuzo> mmm
[07:17] <pao> Amaranth: I've tried... but there's no way to choose colors....
[07:18] <Amaranth> Try Menus and Toolbars
[07:18] <pao> Amaranth, no way... :-(
[07:18] <jamaas> Kamion:  Uhmmm... it installed it ... just like you thought it would..... but LinuxJones was getting there... honest!  I'll try the compile now and see if it is happier ... thanks guys
[07:19] <LinuxJones> jamaas, GL :)
[07:19] <xuzo> Amaranth: xuzo@freya:~$ gconftool-2 -g /apps/metacity/window_keybindings/toggle_maximized
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[07:19] <pao> brown sucks :-)
[07:19] <xuzo> when I press <Alt>Return the panel unmaximizes
[07:19] <SmokingFire> is there a mplayer entry in the faq or wiki?
[07:19] <xuzo> got you some value for this binding?
[07:19] <Amaranth> EXT3-fs error (device hda6) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted <--!!!!!!!!!!
[07:19] <Amaranth> WTF
[07:20] <Amaranth> xuzo: That doesn't "unmaximize" the panel for me.
[07:21] <xuzo> Amaranth: ok, thanks. It will try to find why this appends
[07:21] <kent> is the eciadsl package in the main? that is, on the cdrom?
[07:21] <pao> Has anyone succeded in throwing away that brown color from the theme?
[07:22] <Kamion> jamaas: curious why it wasn't findable in synaptic, but that should get you going, anyway
[07:22] <Amaranth> pao: I have.
[07:23] <Amaranth> pao: I changed the Theme and the desktop background.
[07:23] <merlin0> pao: you can love it if you install november calendar
[07:23] <pao> Amaranth, but you didn't specify the exact color, right?
[07:23] <Amaranth> nope
[07:23] <schifo> guys, i just compiled my kernel, and did make; make modules_install; do i have to do anything else now?
[07:23] <Amaranth> it "Just Works"
[07:23] <pao> merlin0, :-)
[07:23] <merlin0> i love that brown girl!!
[07:24] <Kamion> jamaas: (yeah, not beating on LinuxJones or anything)
[07:24] <pao> merlin0, I'm waiting also for the white girl... :-)
[07:24] <LinuxJones> Kamion, hey :)
[07:24] <Perc> so far ubuntu is pretty impressive
[07:24] <Perc> it found both the touchpad and an external usb mouse when I plugged it in, sound works directly
[07:24] <pao> Perc, ubuntu: debian on steroids :-)
[07:24] <Perc> yep
[07:24] <GnuHippy> still no x.org?
[07:24] <Perc> and it's nice considering debian has software from the second world war
[07:25] <schifo> every distribution finds touchpads and usb mice
[07:25] <Amaranth> GnuHippy: Not until April 2005.
[07:25] <bagpuss> it's *fairly* impressive...there are a few niggles, but I imagine they'll all be fixed for the next one :)
[07:25] <LinuxJones> GnuHippy, your from Nova Scotia too :D
[07:25] <fabbione> x.org will be in hoary either tomorrow
[07:25] <pao> Perc, that's way so many people run testing or unstable...
[07:25] <fabbione> or in 2 days from now
[07:25] <Amaranth> fabbione: Sure, if you like random system crashes. :P
[07:25] <schifo> fabbione, i just compiled my kernel, and did make; make modules_install; do i have to do anything else now?
[07:25] <GnuHippy> it will be fabbi?
[07:26] <fabbione> Amaranth: it will for testing/unstable
[07:26] <frusciante> I get no sound when playing MOV-files. I have tried with XINE and VLC. MPlayer doesn?t work.
[07:26] <fabbione> GnuHippy: yes.
[07:26] <pao> bagpuss, which niggles?
[07:26] <GnuHippy> I noticed all the dependancies are on the repository now for it
[07:26] <fabbione> schifo: sorry. i have only one minute and i am leaving, but it looks ok
[07:26] <GnuHippy> I'm trying to roll my own
[07:26] <fabbione> schifo: check your grub config and you are done
[07:27] <fabbione> GnuHippy: the dependencies were always there
[07:27] <pao> I say bye to everyone... a BROWN bye :-)
[07:27] <bagpuss> pao: gnome-volume manager not working properly.  mozilla being unstable and randomly crashing (although it does that *anyway*, so not ubuntu's fault).  That **HORRIBLE** default brown background...the list goes on
[07:27] <GnuHippy> not all of them
[07:27] <fabbione> yes all of them
[07:27] <pao> bagpuss, if you manage to change the brown color from theme let me know... :-)
[07:27] <GnuHippy> libpng-dev wasn't
[07:28] <bagpuss> pao: oh, I change it...first thing I did
[07:28] <fabbione> GnuHippy: that's because you probably miss a few tons of patches that we have
[07:28] <pao> bagpuss, how did you do it?
[07:28] <frusciante> Year, the brown background sucks :)
[07:28] <pao> I'm trying to change the color of window title bar...
[07:28] <Kamion> GnuHippy: it's not libpng-dev, it's libpng<some number>-dev
[07:28] <GnuHippy> 12
[07:28] <GnuHippy> I know
[07:29] <Kamion> GnuHippy: libpng12-dev is definitely in warty
[07:29] <pao> bagpuss, I'm trying to change the color of window title bar... without change the theme
[07:29] <Kamion> has been forever
[07:29] <bagpuss> pao: ah, I hadn't ghotten around to that yet
[07:29] <bagpuss> I'm still trying to persuade gnome-volume-manager to work
[07:30] <bagpuss> didn't someone say that a version of warty with KDE the default was forthcoming?
[07:30] <Kamion> bagpuss: only if a community group gets together and does it
[07:30] <pao> bagpuss, My volume manager works perfectly....
[07:30] <Kamion> bagpuss: it won't be something Canonical does
[07:30] <bagpuss> I'd be far happier to install that for people (mostly because I actually know my way around KDE...gnome I'm mostly groping in the dark)
[07:30] <bagpuss> Kamion: ah, guess it won't happen then.
[07:31] <Kamion> bagpuss: ?
[07:31] <Kamion> bagpuss: no reason it won't; one or two people with clue have expressed interest in doing it
[07:31] <Kamion> bagpuss: can't say it'll happen *soon* :)
[07:31] <bagpuss> Kamion: it's a lot of work...it's not *that* much hardship to just install KDE after the fact and live with gnome for an hour
[07:32] <bagpuss> Kamion: *shrug*...I wouldn't do it as a volunteer thing anyway.  If others choose to then I'll thank them lots :)
[07:32] <Kamion> bagpuss: if you want to actually deploy it places, then you'll want infrastructure set up to support it properly; we'll be providing general infrastructure to help people make Ubuntu derivatives
[07:33] <bagpuss> Kamion: hmm, as in moving it from universe to main?
[07:35] <pao> I did it!
[07:35] <pao> no more brown!
[07:35] <pao> :-)
[07:36] <Kamion> bagpuss: or thereabouts, yeah
[07:37] <bagpuss> how does gnome-volume-manager go about detecting CD insertion?
[07:37] <bagpuss> it's detecting USB events and reacting to them properly
[07:37] <Ruffian|Q|> hello
[07:37] <bagpuss> it's just CD/DVD events that it's ignoring
[07:38] <sjoerd> bagpuss: check if it appears in h-d-m
[07:41] <bagpuss> sjoerd: /etc/hal ?
[07:41] <sjoerd> bagpuss: hal-device-manager
[07:41] <sjoerd> bagpuss: run it and see if it shows up (called device manager in the menus afaik)
[07:42] <bagpuss> yes, it's there
[07:43] <sjoerd> the volume too ?
[07:43] <sjoerd> check if pmount /dev/cdrom or pmount /dev/hdc works
[07:43] <hendershot> how can we get a more up to date version of firefox? is their a maintainer that handles just that package?
[07:44] <bagpuss> yes, that works
[07:44] <hendershot> i running up to date warty
[07:44] <sjoerd> bagpuss: as your normal user ?
[07:45] <bagpuss> sjoerd: yes
[07:46] <bagpuss> it looks like it's just not detecting the insertion
[07:46] <sjoerd> you just said it showed up in h-d-m ?
[07:47] <bagpuss> the drive does
[07:47] <sjoerd> ah
[07:47] <sjoerd> that's why i asked about the volume :)
[07:47] <toxicsludge> anyone have any luck with pxe install? I have gotten into the installer, but when i go to select the mirror, it says it cannot find the Releases file, even though it points to the proper directory.
[07:47] <bagpuss> and if I "pmount /dev/hdc" it does the right thing
[07:47] <bagpuss> the volume onlyt shows up if I manually run pmount
[07:48] <bagpuss> it's not autodone
[07:49] <toxicsludge> do you think i could set up pxe to just use the cdrom on this machine?
[07:50] <sjoerd> bagpuss: was does storage.media_check_enabled on the drive say ?
[07:50] <sjoerd> (advanced tab in hdm)
[07:51] <bagpuss> sjoerd: ah, 0x0.  which sounds off to me
[07:51] <sjoerd> bagpuss: cat /etc/hal/hald.conf| grep storage_media
[07:52] <bagpuss> andy@gos:/etc/hal $ grep storage_media hald.conf
[07:52] <bagpuss>   <storage_media_check_enabled>true</storage_media_check_enabled>
[07:53] <Challange> re
[07:53] <Challange> got a few questions
[07:53] <sjoerd> bur[n] er: what kind of drive is it ?
[07:53] <sjoerd> bur[n] er: sorry wrong dude
[07:53] <sjoerd> bagpuss: what kind of drive is it ?
[07:54] <bagpuss> sjoerd: Optorite DVD/CD writer
[07:54] <sjoerd> bagpuss: ide, firewire, scsi, usb ?
[07:54] <shaver> dd0204?
[07:54] <shaver> er, 0402?
[07:54] <bagpuss> sjoerd: ah, IDE
[07:54] <Challange> booting with ubuntu - I got the message: fatal error inserting shpchp and d same with pcihp (or sth like this)
[07:54] <Challange> i can't see any problems
[07:54] <bagpuss> shaver: no, dd1205
[07:55] <Challange> but i don't know what soes it mean
[07:55] <shaver> k
[07:55] <shaver> I installed fine with my dd0402 or whatever
[07:55] <bagpuss> it's a very nice drive
[07:55] <Treenaks> Challange: just ignore them
[07:55] <Challange> how do you mean?:D
[07:55] <Treenaks> Challange: the messages, just ignore them
[07:55] <Challange> "don't worry about it'?
[07:55] <sjoerd> bagpuss: is it detected as cdrom (storage.cdrom properties ans stuff)
[07:55] <Treenaks> yes :)
[07:55] <Challange> all right
[07:56] <Challange> ok
[07:56] <Challange> aaan
[07:56] <GnuHippy> I have done it!
[07:56] <bagpuss> sjoerd: yep: "block storage.cdrom storage"
[07:57] <Challange> how can I "install" the downloaded themes for gnome and icons? I don't really know
[07:57] <Challange> tar.gz and some png files in it
[07:57] <GnuHippy> how can I setup my kernel source for the new nvidia binary driver to see?  I want to use the binary off nvidia.com not the .deb
[07:58] <Challange> I click on the install button (Themes) and that does not do anything with any file
[07:58] <toxicsludge> need help selecting pxe mirror.  why would the installer be so #$@#@# picky as to the mirror? what does it want??????
[07:58] <Challange> (Well that's not a real problem but i am just wondering:D)
[07:59] <sjoerd> bagpuss: normal ide or pcmcia  ?
[07:59] <toxicsludge> Challenge, I havent been able to get a lot of themes to work with all this new release stuff
[07:59] <bagpuss> sjoerd: normal IDE
[07:59] <Challange> ahh
[07:59] <toxicsludge> are y'all getting sick of me squawking about pxe yet?
[07:59] <Challange> so i have to search if I need it
[08:00] <bagpuss> 0000:00:0f.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
[08:00] <bagpuss> (if it helps)
[08:00] <Challange> cheers
[08:00] <toxicsludge> Challange, just got noia warm to work on a different distro...
[08:00] <toxicsludge> but it was new..
[08:00] <toxicsludge> and debian-based, but running kde
[08:00] <sjoerd> bagpuss: which version of hal are you using..
[08:00] <subterrific> GnuHippy: you need linux-headers
[08:00] <toxicsludge> gnome 2.6 is kinda new for new themes
[08:00] <Challange> i dont like kde
[08:00] <GnuHippy> sudo cp -r /name/of/file /usr/share/icons
[08:01] <bagpuss> sjoerd: whatever came with warty...hang on, I'll find out
[08:01] <toxicsludge> well find gnome 2.6 themes.
[08:01] <gruberman> whoa... talk about crashing ruby
[08:01] <subterrific> GnuHippy: linux-headers includes a fully configured kernel tree for compiling modules
[08:01] <Challange> well i will try
[08:01] <toxicsludge> i havent been able to get to many to work wiht firefox
[08:01] <GnuHippy> and for themes:  sudo cp -r /name/of/file /usr/share/themes
[08:01] <bagpuss> ii  hal                               0.2.98-1ubuntu9                   Hardware Abstraction Layer
[08:01] <Challange> firefox is good enough
[08:01] <Challange> not to change theme:D it looks good
[08:01] <Challange> i guess
[08:01] <toxicsludge> pxe syntax???
[08:02] <subterrific> GnuHippy: i just told you
[08:02] <GnuHippy> ty
[08:02] <GnuHippy> didnt see it
[08:02] <bagpuss> sjoerd: basically I don't do automounting, I don't do gnome.  This is for a client. If it were me I'd shrug and say "I'm perfectly capable of double clicking the little CD icon if I want to mount it thanks"
[08:03] <bagpuss> I'm probably missing something funsamental just because I don't do this stuff
[08:03] <Challange> aaaand i need a stuff to write dvd/cd/audio cd things like this cause i haven't found anything
[08:03] <sjoerd> bagpuss: nope, your not
[08:04] <bagpuss> sjoerd: this machine dual-boots to windows, and windows autoruns CDs fine.  So I know the drive itself is *sending* an insert event of some sort
[08:04] <sjoerd> bagpuss: actually one needs to poll the drives
[08:04] <sjoerd> bagpuss: i'm trying to find out why hal turned of the storage.media_check_enabled thingie
[08:04] <bagpuss> sjoerd: oh?  I thought the drive notified the OS.  Shows how little I know of automounting :)
[08:05] <toxicsludge> need help with my PXE install... can get all the way to select mirrors, then it says it cannot find the release file when it can.  I imagine this might have something to do with my pxelinux.cfg/default file, which you could find something that it looks like at http://weltwissen.koeln.ccc.de/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install  -- what do the - and +'s mean-- should i get rid of them?
[08:05] <bagpuss> sjoerd: does it (or can it be made to) log to anywhere?
[08:05] <Challange> as I see i will have problems with installing shitdows to this computer:D
[08:05] <Witigonen> Hey all.  I need help loading the proper kernel module before generic-ide so that my CD-RW/DVD combo drive can have DMA enabled.
[08:05] <sjoerd> bagpuss: if you could do hald --daemon=no --verbose=yes and put that log somewhere...
[08:05] <ficusplanet> Can any Ubuntu devs tell me what icon the About Ubuntu... menu item uses?  I need to know so for a theme I'm working on.
[08:05] <bagpuss> sjoerd: okay
[08:05] <Witigonen> The only problem is I have no idea how exactly to do this :)  Or what module needs to be loaded in the first place.
[08:06] <toxicsludge> Who should have permissions on the tftpboot folder?
[08:07] <Challange> ficusplanet: as i see it shows four yellow stars
[08:07] <ficusplanet> Challange, I need to know the file's path not what it looks like.
[08:07] <toxicsludge> Challange use K3b!
[08:08] <Challange> do I need to find it and download?
[08:08] <toxicsludge> challange, apt-get install k3b should do it
[08:08] <Challange> or it has got an installing module?
[08:08] <Challange> wo thanks
[08:08] <toxicsludge> but the tricky thing is you have to either run k3bsetup later, or just launch k3b from a root terminal
[08:09] <encryptio> b
[08:09] <bagpuss> sjoerd: http://www.clothcat.org/scratch/typescript.txt
[08:09] <toxicsludge> So who knows a super-expert I could ask about my PXE issues
[08:09] <Witigonen> Can anybody help me with setting up the proper module for my motherboard?
[08:09] <toxicsludge> witigonen, you got an nforce3?
[08:10] <Witigonen> toxicsludge, nforce2.
[08:11] <sjoerd> bagpuss: ah what i suspected -> 19:07:04.872 [I]  linux/block_class_device.c:1358: Working around broken ide-cs driver ...
[08:11] <bagpuss> sjoerd: is this fixable?
[08:11] <Dennis_k> i need some help with my nvidia drivers
[08:11] <Witigonen> toxicsludge, is the module nvidia_agp?  I know that's what I have to load before my fglrx drivers in other distros, but I don't know if it's the same thing.
[08:12] <Challange> toxicsludge, the problem is that there is no k3b pack - the terminal told me:D
[08:12] <sjoerd> bagpuss: what kernel are you running ? stock warthy ?
[08:12] <bagpuss> sjoerd: yep
[08:13] <bagpuss> Linux gos 2.6.8.1-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:13] <encryptio> challange: you'll have to find the deb and install it manually, by looking through the repositories.
[08:13] <toxicsludge> challange, enable the universe and maybe the multiverse in /etc/apt/sources.list  there is a howto on the forum for that.  there is even a k3b howto somewhere on the main website
[08:13] <MoonSweep> hello
[08:13] <Dennis_k> hi
[08:13] <Challange> enable universe:DDD
[08:13] <toxicsludge> challange, I used apt-get.  you can also use the synaptic package manager.. that may be easier
[08:13] <MoonSweep> wny 2.6.9 kernel for ubuntu ? 2.6.8.1 can't burn CDs
[08:14] <Challange> i try
[08:14] <Challange> thanks
[08:14] <Treenaks> MoonSweep: it can burn CDs
[08:14] <toxicsludge> I can burn cds with 2.6.8.1
[08:14] <MoonSweep> oh
[08:14] <MoonSweep> what's the trick then ?
[08:14] <Treenaks> MoonSweep: just use dev=/dev/sr0 (or dev=/dev/hdc or whatever)
[08:14] <bagpuss> MoonSweep: it can't?  First I heard
[08:14] <MoonSweep> I swear
[08:14] <subterrific> MoonSweep: the ubuntu kernel has patches to fix that bug in 2.6.8
[08:14] <subterrific> MoonSweep: 2.6.9 wasn't ready when ubuntu shipped
[08:15] <MoonSweep> but all burning programs detect my cd-writer as a mere cd reader
[08:15] <bagpuss> there comes a point where you have to stop putting new stuff in and make the stuff you have work for release
[08:16] <Kamion> kernel upgrades take ages to get right, anyway
[08:17] <MoonSweep> you don't believe me ?
[08:17] <Dennis_k> can some one help me please with my nvidia drivers.. :(
[08:17] <MoonSweep> look at this : http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=130576
[08:17] <MoonSweep> and http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2004/08/msg00608.html
[08:18] <MoonSweep> I have the same problem
[08:18] <GammaRay> MoonSweep: do you have scsi emulation or ide-cd in your kernel options?
[08:18] <MoonSweep> i didn't check but i thought 2.6 don't need scsi emulation any more to write CDs
[08:18] <GammaRay> it needs one or the other
[08:19] <subterrific> MoonSweep: neither of those are in ubuntu bugzilla, so they have no relevance. ubuntu does not use the debian or redhat kernels
[08:19] <Kamion> subterrific: Ubuntu uses a derivative of the Debian kernel
[08:19] <sjoerd> bagpuss: you can fix it by putting an fdi in /usr/share/hal/fdi which sets storage.media_check_enabled
[08:20] <MoonSweep> ok but I have the same problem that's decribed on those bugreports, and it's from a "feature" in 2.6.8(.1)
[08:20] <Kamion> subterrific: while they aren't identical, saying "they have no relevance" is harsh and wrong.
[08:20] <subterrific> Kamion: exactly, it isn't stock, so you can't point to bugs and say for sure they exist in the ubuntu kernel
[08:21] <MoonSweep> i didn't say "this bug is in ubuntu kernel" ; i said "i have the same KNOWN problem with 2.6.8(.1)
[08:21] <bagpuss> sjoerd: is tyhat documented somewhere?
[08:21] <subterrific> Kamion: well check for yourself, there are no bugs in ubuntu referencing cdrecord
[08:21] <subterrific> bugzilla
[08:21] <sjoerd> bagpuss: somewhat.. there are some existing ones in there (if ubuntu ships them), which should be easy to adapt
[08:22] <MoonSweep> subterrific: what application do you use to burn CDs ?
[08:22] <bagpuss> sjoerd: okay, I'll see what I can work out
[08:22] <sjoerd> bagpuss: oh what's the linux.sysfs_path property on the drive ?
[08:22] <subterrific> MoonSweep: i don't
[08:23] <MoonSweep> does anyone in here write CDs with Ubuntu Warty ???
[08:23] <Treenaks> MoonSweep: yes
[08:24] <Kamion> subterrific: lack of bugs in Ubuntu Bugzilla does not imply lack of bugs in Ubuntu. :-)
[08:24] <MoonSweep> Treenaks: as root or as user ? and with which app ?
[08:24] <Treenaks> MoonSweep: just use the nautilus CD burner for images/cds with only files
[08:24] <MoonSweep> no, i need to make advanced CDs, I need K3B
[08:24] <bagpuss> sjoerd: /sys/block/hdc
[08:25] <GammaRay> Treenaks: what option do you pass the kernel? ide-scsi or ide-cd?
[08:25] <Treenaks> GammaRay: ide-cd. ide-scsi is deprecated and should not be used
[08:25] <GammaRay> there you go
[08:25] <GammaRay> MoonSweep: please check on that
[08:25] <sjoerd> bagpuss: argh.. just noticed the hal code is somewhat broken, it outputs that it does a work around, but doesn't necessarely do it..
[08:25] <GammaRay> I don't currently have a burner
[08:26] <MoonSweep> GammaRay: that's what I use too (in fact, I don't pass any arg to the kernel, ide-cd is used by default)
[08:26] <sjoerd> bagpuss: in you case it doesn't...
[08:26] <Challange> how can I change the rights to sources.list (write)
[08:26] <bagpuss> sjoerd: screw it...the guy can live without automounting.  I think *anyone* should be able to cope with a douyble click
[08:26] <Challange> cause i am not the owner (it sais)
[08:26] <GammaRay> MoonSweep: how do you know?
[08:26] <sjoerd> bagpuss: i would like to know what the problem is, because i'm bound to get a bugreport for it someday :)
[08:27] <lemsx1> Challange, chown $USER /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[08:27] <Challange> ?
[08:27] <lemsx1> Challange, or chmod 0666 /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[08:27] <MoonSweep> GammaRay: which driver does handle IDE cds if you don't specify ide-scsi for any frive ? :)
[08:27] <lemsx1> Challange, it depends on what you want to achieve
[08:27] <Challange> oh
[08:27] <bagpuss> sjoerd: who do I report it as a bug to?  You can have one tonight :)
[08:27] <Challange> thnx
[08:27] <GammaRay> MoonSweep: it just acts like a regular cd drive
[08:28] <GammaRay> MoonSweep: ode-cd activates atapi burning support
[08:28] <bagpuss> brb
[08:28] <GammaRay> err ide-cd
[08:28] <MoonSweep> well, maybe, but on my box, it doesn't recognize the cd-writer as a writer, obly as a reader
[08:29] <Challange> '?' there is no such dir/file
[08:29] <Kamion> Challange: 'sudo editor /etc/apt/sources.list' to create it
[08:29] <MoonSweep> anyway if you don't believe me :
[08:29] <MoonSweep> raph@arche:~ $ lsmod | grep ide_cd
[08:29] <Kamion> Challange: don't change the permissions; just use sudo to edit it
[08:29] <MoonSweep> ide_cd                 41732  0
[08:30] <Challange> oh
[08:30] <MoonSweep> ok
[08:30] <MoonSweep> question
[08:31] <MoonSweep> doesn anyone uses K3B on Ubuntu as a user (NOT as root) ?
[08:31] <sjoerd> bagpuss: what does /proc/ide/hdc/media say ?
[08:31] <tseng> MoonSweep: obviously not, because it wont work
[08:31] <tseng> MoonSweep: since kernel 2.6.8
[08:31] <Challange> Kamion: amm, i want to write in it
[08:31] <Challange> magyar sz
[08:32] <MoonSweep> tseng: THANK YOU ::: At least someone aware of this problem!!!! :)
[08:32] <Patric1> goodday all
[08:32] <Challange> Kamion is a hungarian word
[08:32] <Challange> :D
[08:32] <tseng> MoonSweep: most people are aware of it, you can find tons of info via google and proably even the wiki
[08:32] <Kamion> Challange: yes, aware of that
[08:32] <toxicsludge> MoonSweep, I see no problem running it as root
[08:32] <Challange> but how can i write in it?
[08:33] <MoonSweep> tseng: I know, but anyone here seem not to bleieve me, because Ubuntu has no bugreport regarding this issue
[08:33] <Kamion> 'sudo editor /etc/apt/sources.list', as I told you
[08:33] <Challange> i am typing but it does not do anything
[08:33] <Challange> yeah
[08:33] <Kamion> pick an editor you know how to use, then
[08:33] <Challange> :D
[08:33] <Patric1> somebody know anything how to get yanc running with an Nvidia, or is it ATI only?
[08:33] <Challange> ok
[08:33] <Kamion> Challange: however, how did you end up with that file empty? the Ubuntu installer creates it.
[08:33] <Challange> ?
[08:34] <Challange> that is not empty
[08:34] <Kamion> 19:29 < Challange> '?' there is no such dir/file
[08:34] <Patric1> somebody know anything how to get yanc running with an Nvidia, or is it ATI only?
[08:34] <Challange> it said
[08:34] <Kamion> a completed Ubuntu installation will have /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:34] <Azeal> MoonSweep, its better to run it as root so cdrecord can run at higher priority. It will be more stable then.
[08:35] <GammaRay> Azeal: why not just setuid?
[08:35] <subterrific> MoonSweep: oh, i didn't see you mention you were trying as a user
[08:35] <tuxx> Evening.
[08:35] <tuxx> Is SPDIF with a CM8738 completely impossible with Ubuntu Warty ?
[08:36] <subterrific> MoonSweep: i thought you were trying as root, since you seemed to know about the cd burning bug in 2.6.8
[08:36] <Azeal> GammaRay, if you do chmod +s wont that be the same thing as running it as root?
[08:36] <MoonSweep> subterrific: we should never work as root ;-)
[08:37] <subterrific> MoonSweep: right, thats why sudo and gksudo exist
[08:37] <bagpuss> sjoerd: andy@gos:~ $ cat /proc/ide/hdc/media
[08:37] <bagpuss> cdrom
[08:37] <GammaRay> Azeal: should be, but then a user can run it "as root"
[08:37] <Challange> Kamion: I've typed it as you have told me
[08:37] <Challange> and i had to push INSERT button to write in it
[08:37] <sjoerd> bagpuss: then i'm out of ideas
[08:37] <Challange> i dont dont do it won't work(i did'nt know that sorry)
[08:38] <bagpuss> sjoerd: aye, me too...screw it, he just can't have it autoplay
[08:38] <Challange> and now it is in the 'terminal' and i don't  know how to save it yeah
[08:38] <Azeal> GammaRay, ofcourse, when I said "running it as root" I did not mean that you should log into gnome as root, just start that one program as root, whichever way you find easier =)
[08:38] <Matt|> Challange, perhaps I can help
[08:39] <Matt|> Challange, explain simply what you are trying to do?
[08:39] <X0563511> perhaps i can't help. More than likely so.
[08:39] <Challange> ive edited sources.list in the root terminal and i want to save it:D
[08:39] <Matt|> Challange, what editor?
[08:40] <Challange> ..
[08:40] <Challange> idonno:D
[08:40] <Matt|> which editor program didyou use?
[08:40] <Challange> it in the terminal
[08:40] <Challange> sudo edit blabla
[08:40] <Matt|> what command did you type?
[08:40] <Matt|> hmm
[08:40] <Matt|> hang on
[08:41] <Challange> right
[08:41] <GammaRay> Azeal: I'm not sure some other people understand that
[08:42] <Matt|> Challange, i don't understand that editor
[08:42] <Matt|> Challange, use another one
[08:42] <Challange> ..
[08:42] <Azeal> GammaRay, yes you are probably right, thanks for pointing that out.
[08:42] <Challange> ok
[08:42] <Challange> i wont
[08:42] <X0563511> nano is easy enough, try that
[08:42] <Matt|> Challange, close the terminal, open another one, type "sudo nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:42] <Challange> cause i want to download k3b
[08:42] <Matt|> oh
[08:42] <Matt|> let's just do it in synaptic
[08:43] <Challange> there is no k3b
[08:43] <Challange> in synaptic
[08:43] <X0563511> try adding the universe repositories
[08:43] <Matt|> Challange, follow this:
[08:43] <Matt|> open synaptic
[08:43] <Matt|> go to settings, repositories
[08:43] <Challange> yeah
[08:43] <Challange> hungarian language:D
[08:43] <Challange> wait
[08:43] <X0563511> turn on universe, and universe source.
[08:44] <Matt|> Challange, then enable the "universe" repositories in the list
[08:44] <X0563511> it will yell at you, its normal
[08:44] <Ruffian|Q|> HOw much different is Universe repositories from normal debian repositories
[08:44] <|trey|> Ruffian|Q|, not very...
[08:44] <X0563511> Ruffian|Q|: its the same, but not supported in ubuntu directly
[08:44] <|trey|> X0563511, no, its not the same... some things are missing...
[08:45] <X0563511> Ruffian|Q|: I meant the packages are not supported. Of course theres things in universe that arnt in the normal lists
[08:45] <X0563511> ... although i don't understand why RIG is in universe...
[08:45] <Challange> :((
[08:46] <X0563511> Challange: you can also try to find the .deb files from debian.org
[08:46] <|trey|> X0563511, You misunderstood, please stop giving false info... I meant there are things missing from Universe that are in Debian's repo's... such as most of the Contrib stuff...
[08:46] <X0563511> and use dpkg to install it
[08:46] <Challange> wait
[08:47] <toxicsludge> why does my PXE install say it cannot find the proper Debian-mirror? I get the ubuntu splash screen, and point it to archive.ubuntu.org...
[08:47] <X0563511> |trey|: really? sorry then
[08:47] <Challange> repository dialog is sth that has a list on the left and tiks on the right ?
[08:47] <|trey|> Challange, kinda, yeah
[08:47] <Challange> there is no universe or translating is wrong
[08:48] <|trey|> Challange, to the Universe listing, add "multiverse" also... :)
[08:48] <X0563511> Are there any unticked options?
[08:48] <Kamion> toxicsludge: archive.ubuntu.com or archive.ubuntulinux.org
[08:48] <Kamion> toxicsludge: not archive.ubuntu.org
[08:48] <Kamion> toxicsludge: the mention of Debian is a bug, fixed in Hoary
[08:48] <Challange> if i clock on dif lines on the left the ticks change
[08:48] <Challange> click:D
[08:48] <Ruffian|Q|> Will ubuntu stay debian compatible for ever??
[08:48] <|trey|> Challange, 'echo http://archive.ubuntu.org/ warty universe multiverse >> /etc/apt/sources.list'
[08:48] <Kamion> |trey|: not ubuntu.org
[08:49] <paulproteus> |trey|: Want to add a 'sudo' to that?
[08:49] <X0563511> What is the multiverse?
[08:49] <|trey|> Ruffian|Q|, Debian compatibility is not a priority I guess...
[08:49] <|trey|> X0563511, non-free unsupported...
[08:49] <Kamion> Ruffian|Q|: we'll do our best
[08:49] <|trey|> Kamion, my mistake  :(
[08:49] <Ruffian|Q|> I HOPE SO!
[08:50] <Challange> ??????,
[08:50] <X0563511> Ruffian|Q|: I think it is probably going to be, but i am no kind of authority at all
[08:50] <Challange> everybody says totally dif
[08:50] <Ruffian|Q|> The only way for Ubuntu to stay popular is 99% Debian compatibility
[08:50] <Kamion> |trey|: oh, and you forgot a 'deb' at the start
[08:50] <Challange> thats too much for a k3b
[08:50] <|trey|> Kamion, from what I have heard, its not very compatibly currently, its one of the main complaints some are having  :(
[08:50] <X0563511> Challenge, whats the actual package name?
[08:50] <Challange> echo thats great it shows
[08:50] <Challange> :D
[08:50] <Kamion> |trey|: I won't respond to vague comments like that, sorry. People can file bugs about specific problems.
[08:51] <Challange> i have to go i guess
[08:51] <Challange> package
[08:51] <ben_> hi
[08:51] <Challange> 0.53.4
[08:51] <Challange> synaptic
[08:51] <X0563511> wait challange
[08:51] <|trey|> Kamion, seeing this from OSNews comments mainly... I only tried using Sid once with Ubuntu, and it broke some things  :(
[08:51] <ben_> anyone know how to get doom legacy running?
[08:51] <X0563511> what are you searching for specifically?
[08:51] <Challange> ?
[08:51] <ben_> i got it off synaptic, but it gives errors when i try to run it
[08:52] <Kamion> |trey|: we document up-front that you shouldn't try to use the two repositories simultaneously
[08:52] <Challange> i do really nedd a stuff to burn audio/data to cd/dvd
[08:52] <Challange> and k3b seems to be the "best"
[08:52] <toxicsludge> Kamion: what directory should I use?
[08:52] <X0563511> ok, hold on
[08:52] <Challange> and i will need to download it
[08:52] <Challange> :D
[08:52] <Kamion> |trey|: your comment is vague because nobody bothers to define what "Debian-compatible" is before asking about it. :-)
[08:52] <Kamion> toxicsludge: directory?
[08:52] <|trey|> Kamion, I'm aware of that, however you just said compatibility is something you will attempt to keep...
[08:52] <X0563511> http://www.k3b.org/
[08:53] <Challange> without writing dif files in dif editors with dif texts:D
[08:53] <toxicsludge> Kamion: /ubuntu/ or /ubuntu/dists/warty/
[08:53] <Kamion> toxicsludge: /ubuntu
[08:53] <X0563511> has debian packages for download challange
[08:53] <|trey|> Kamion, to me, compatibility = I can use debian packages and not break things  :)
[08:53] <Challange> X0563511, there.. yeah
[08:53] <Challange> for KDE
[08:53] <Challange> or write into sources.list
[08:53] <Challange> ubuntu-GNOME
[08:53] <Kamion> |trey|: no, what most people mean by compatibility is that we behave close to the same way Debian does
[08:53] <toxicsludge> Kamion: here goes.  You think this might be easier if i tried hoary?
[08:53] <X0563511> you can also build it from source
[08:53] <Ruffian|Q|> KDE works well with Ubuntu
[08:53] <Challange> i did not know that
[08:54] <Kamion> toxicsludge: extremely unlikely, given that I only confirmed the Hoary installer to work at all at the end of last week :)
[08:54] <MoonSweep> bye guys
[08:54] <Challange> then I will try
[08:54] <|trey|> Kamion, note I stated "to me"... "no" shouldn't have been part of your reply  :)
[08:54] <|trey|> Kamion, that does make sense though  :)
[08:54] <Kamion> |trey|: you were also asking about the meaning of my statement, and the "no" applied to that
[08:54] <ben_> lol, MS had to pay $530 million to novell :p
[08:54] <X0563511> Challange: you can also try a different program, if you must. Dont feel limited to K3B
[08:55] <Matt|> Challange, here is a link that will help you understand how to use synaptic to install ANY packages. There are images describing how things work and this should help. Take especially notice of the section on "repositories". http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[08:55] <|trey|> ben_, for a company that is worth more then 30 billion, thats like a slap on the wrist  :/
[08:55] <ben_> |trey|, yeah, but it's good for novell ;)
[08:55] <Challange> Matt|: lot of thnx
[08:55] <X0563511> that page is getting bookmarked. Ive already got like 10 packages installed by hand... ive had ubuntu for 3 days
[08:56] <Matt|> X0563511, :(
[08:56] <Matt|> X0563511, never install packages by hand
[08:56] <toxicsludge> Kamion, I repeatedly get a Bad Archive Mirror message with a big red screen
[08:56] <Matt|> unless you absolutely have to
[08:56] <X0563511> Matt|: i meant using dpkg
[08:56] <Kamion> toxicsludge: what hostname?
[08:56] <|trey|> ben_, I guess... although without Chris Stone, I don't see them doing very well now... he was the pioneering mind and Novell, without him, they just have a big ol mess...
[08:56] <Matt|> X0563511, ok, apt or synaptic is the way to go
[08:56] <X0563511> Matt|: but some things i installed are available in source only, so
[08:56] <bigt> question: i installed warty ubuntu everything appeared to be working fine i rebooted and now i get ntldr not found as if linux is not even there any idea how to fix this
[08:56] <jonex> Internet is slow for me in ubuntu :(
[08:56] <toxicsludge> Kamion: archive.ubuntu.com archive.ubuntulinux.org ftp.cs.umn.edu
[08:57] <Challange> i will have to learn :D
[08:57] <Challange> a lot
[08:57] <Kamion> toxicsludge: what, all at once?
[08:57] <Matt|> Challange, once you've read that page you should be able to do a lot
[08:57] <X0563511> bigt: sortof
[08:57] <toxicsludge> Kamion, no, with any of them.  been trying different solutions for hours now
[08:57] <ben_> jonex: same with me, and i can't figure out why :\
[08:57] <bigt> well did it corrupt itself or something?
[08:57] <X0563511> bigt: stick in the install cd again, get as far as you can (without copying files or anything) and skip to the bootloader section
[08:57] <Challange> it cant open the deb file
[08:57] <Kamion> toxicsludge: exactly what's the error message? I'll look it up
[08:58] <Challange> ERROR and a lot of things:D
[08:58] <X0563511> bigt: sounds like you didnt install a bootloader
[08:58] <Matt|> Challange, do it in synaptic!!!
[08:58] <Challange> that is my other problem but i do really have to go
[08:58] <lemsx1> man this channel really represents chaos theory of human behavior
[08:58] <Challange> i will Matt|
[08:58] <Matt|> *laughs*
[08:58] <Matt|> lemsx1, yep
[08:58] <X0563511> lemsx1lol
[08:58] <lemsx1> Matt|, ;-)
[08:58] <|trey|> lemsx1, so long as everyone gets there answer, it works  :)
[08:58] <Challange> X0563511, thanks a lot
[08:58] <Challange> byez
[08:59] <bigt> dang thought i did maybe not first time using this :(
[08:59] <X0563511> good luck
[08:59] <toxicsludge> Kamion:  Bad Archive Mirror The specified Debian Mirror is either not available, or does not have a valid release file on it
[08:59] <lemsx1> |trey|, nothing wrong with it if you know how to read it (or get used to ignoring everything else)
[08:59] <jonex> ben_, Actually that deal by ms and novell is bad, since ms yet again won't have to be beaten i court :/
[08:59] <|trey|> lemsx1, Cathedral and the Bazaar can both work  8)
[08:59] <X0563511> bigt: well, try installing gentoo as your first dip into linux...
[08:59] <Matt|> *laughs*
[08:59] <toxicsludge> Kamion: permissions on /tftpboot/ are nobody:nogroup
[08:59] <X0563511> bigt: BIG mistake on my part
[08:59] <jonex> ben_, Read the slashdot thread about it...
[08:59] <|trey|> lemsx1, 3 plus years of #debian... pretty good at looking for things I can help with  :)
[08:59] <Kamion> toxicsludge: try 'wget -q http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/Release' from tty2
[09:00] <X0563511> i should be writing a paper now... oh well
[09:00] <Kamion> toxicsludge: sorry, add '-O -' to that
[09:00] <Kamion> toxicsludge: hope you're using HTTP by the way
[09:00] <bigt> well i have ubuntu installed everyone has their own flavor :) if i keep on installing different ones ill never learn this :)
[09:00] <Kamion> toxicsludge: (not that you should be asked, by default)
[09:01] <Matt|> bigt, best thing is to stick with one
[09:01] <|trey|> Kamion, just out of curiosity, what were you doing with Debian?
[09:01] <X0563511> bigt: good idea. Ive settled on ubuntu for now, myself
[09:01] <Kamion> |trey|: no past tense, I still am
[09:01] <Matt|> bigt, otherwise you never learn anything ;)
[09:01] <ben_> does ubuntu slow down the internet for anyone else?
[09:01] <Matt|> ben_, fine here
[09:01] <bigt> thats how i see it too
[09:01] <X0563511> no
[09:01] <lemsx1> |trey|, 3 years of this chaos? lol
[09:01] <bigt> but i gotta get this bootloader installed
[09:01] <X0563511> ben_: the internet is a lot faster than it was for me on windows
[09:01] <Pizbit> ben_: no
[09:02] <Pizbit> X0563511: All that spyware not able to use the net:)
[09:02] <lemsx1> |trey|, #oe is very hecktic also...
[09:02] <|trey|> lemsx1, /j #debian ... sit there for like 5 mins... its got more than 2 times as many people as here...
[09:02] <X0563511> heh i like the "Slow down the internet" part...
[09:02] <Kamion> |trey|: release manager, bug tracking system administrator, installer team, plus a bunch of packages like man-db, groff, openssh
[09:02] <X0563511> Pizbit: oh i never get spyware and its ilk. Too paranoid
[09:02] <|trey|> Kamion, ahh, so you are the reason Sarge isn't released yet  ;)
[09:02] <lemsx1> |trey|, no thx. i get enough with the other low-traffic channels i'm always in
[09:02] <Kamion> |trey|: :-P
[09:03] <X0563511> YOU WILL FETCH ME... A SHRUBBERRY!
[09:03] <ben_> could it be my wireless driver that makes the internet slow?
[09:03] <bigt> xo5: will it stop so i can run aptitude? is that what i'm looking for
[09:03] <X0563511> ben_: yes
[09:04] <|trey|> Ugh... I get to spend 5 weeks learning Exchange and IIS... this will suck  :(
[09:04] <toxicsludge> Kamion: unable to connect to remote host 82.211.81.138 no route to host
[09:04] <ben_> \X0
[09:04] <X0563511> ben_: for example, i use NDISWRAPPER, and i get 25% my possible speed
[09:04] <ben_> oops
[09:04] <ben_> sry
[09:04] <Kamion> toxicsludge: bingo, check your networking
[09:04] <[[mirak] ] > Gwildor: hey
[09:04] <[[mirak] ] > Gwildor: nice nick
[09:04] <X0563511> bigt: what is aptitude?
[09:04] <ben_> ohh, how/where can i find/get the correct driver for my card?
[09:04] <toxicsludge> Kamion: it says it gets a dhcp address first..
[09:04] <bigt> install grub bootloader?
[09:04] <bigt> or install lilo?
[09:04] <X0563511> ben_: i cant help much there, sorry
[09:04] <|trey|> X0563511, its kinda like synaptic, only console based...
[09:05] <Kamion> toxicsludge: sure, but DHCP's only as good as the server
[09:05] <|trey|> X0563511, ncurses...
[09:05] <Matt|> ben_, what card out of interest?
[09:05] <X0563511> how is that going to help when you have a craped up bootsector?
[09:05] <|trey|> X0563511, I never liked it, but people like bob2 will recommend...
[09:05] <jonex> bigt, Grub has worked better for me.
[09:05] <bigt> already let me try that
[09:05] <toxicsludge> Kamion: the green light is on the network port...
[09:05] <|trey|> X0563511, not entirely sure...
[09:06] <X0563511> |trey|: is it like dselect? i loved dselect
[09:06] <|trey|> X0563511, I hate dselect and tasksel with a passion
[09:06] <X0563511> |trey|: couple issues, but for the most part i liked it
[09:06] <Kamion> toxicsludge: not that level of networking!"
[09:06] <toxicsludge> Kamion: the problem might be in my DHCP server?  should I have it go on a different subnet than my router spits out?
[09:06] <|trey|> X0563511, its tasts are simular to dselect though, sure... it replaces dselect...
[09:06] <Kamion> toxicsludge: you clearly have connectivity to something, because you can look up the hostname
[09:06] <|trey|> tasks*
[09:06] <lemsx1> |trey|, Exchange and IIS uh? lol... i deal with them every freaking day
[09:07] <|trey|> lemsx1, wanna take my class for me then?
[09:07] <Kamion> toxicsludge: it's very hard to debug what might be wrong with your network from here, though
[09:07] <ben_> Matt|, it's a linksys 802.11b something pcmcia card
[09:07] <Kamion> toxicsludge: and unfortunately I have to go now
[09:07] <X0563511> IIS is a big pain in the monkey.
[09:07] <|trey|> lemsx1, ugh, not looking forward to either  :(
[09:07] <|trey|> Kamion, have a good day man  :)
[09:07] <toxicsludge> Kamion: How about a hard disk install... I have Debian installed on the laptop, dual boot with win... wanna keep the win though
[09:07] <Matt|> ben_, what driver you using?
[09:07] <ben_> Matt|, i dunno, how can i check?
[09:07] <bigt> dang that didn't work so basically just reinstall this damn thing from scratch
[09:07] <lemsx1> |trey|, no thanks. i get enough "class" from google and microsoft.com
[09:07] <X0563511> bigt: <shrugs> dont really know whats going on
[09:07] <Matt|> ben_, not sure :(
[09:07] <toxicsludge> Kamion, or, how about setting up a local mirror.  I have plenty of hard drive space
[09:08] <Optimus> hi
[09:08] <Optimus> got a problem
[09:08] <X0563511> Shoot
[09:08] <bigt> well it rebooted then it said readonline file system
[09:08] <Optimus> i can't add servers wotrh x-chat
[09:08] <X0563511> i _might_ be able to help
[09:08] <Optimus> with*
[09:08] <bigt> and keept on saying it so i turned it off
[09:08] <|trey|> lemsx1, they had us learning 2k and 2k3 server without the help of microsofts knowledgebase... that wasn't much fun  :(
[09:08] <olimar> Hi all just installed Ubuntu it ROCKS
[09:08] <X0563511> Optimus: i had that issue. Just dont click on what makes it crash
[09:08] <olimar> but how can I add new languages?
[09:08] <|trey|> lemsx1, especially trying to make the AD databases sync... fun stuff...
[09:08] <cyrus-tc> mh, what to do to start a program on gnome startup?
[09:08] <bigt> now it says ntldr is missing well of course it is i have linux on it but anyway its a test system i guess format the dang thing again
[09:08] <Optimus> but i want to add a new server
[09:08] <ben_> anyone know how to check and see what wireless card driver is being used?
[09:08] <toxicsludge> Kamion: The problem I see with hard disk install, is that I cannot format the partition I put the cd image on.  I would think I could mount the cd over here, and boot from it...
[09:09] <lemsx1> |trey|, sync'ing AD uh? never tried that... i do that on openldap all the time though
[09:09] <topyli> olimar: ubuntu doesn't rock. it's quite stable =)
[09:09] <X0563511> Optimus: click add, click on the new servers name, change it, add the server address, and your done.
[09:09] <olimar> hehe ;)
[09:09] <olimar> it's simply great
[09:09] <topyli> yep
[09:09] <Optimus> but where do i put the server name?
[09:09] <X0563511> Optimus: i _think_, im on windows right now, i am going from memory
[09:09] <lemsx1> |trey|, but i guess all M$ stuff is simply off-topic here
[09:09] <|trey|> lemsx1, its a pain in the butt... you have to run something on the 2k server to make it even understand 2k3's database...
[09:09] <X0563511> Optimus: change it directly on the list.
[09:09] <olimar> it feels snappy, is stable and gnome rocks always...
[09:09] <|trey|> lemsx1, true, sorry  :
[09:10] <olimar> still can someone tell me how to add new languages?
[09:10] <|trey|> olimar, dpkg-reconfigure locales
[09:10] <X0563511> Optimus: Click its name, it should be editable while the rest of the add server junk is up
[09:10] <lemsx1> |trey|, ;-) we all "love" the M$ topics... not a problem
[09:10] <Optimus> thanks
[09:10] <Optimus> i was going crazy
[09:10] <toxicsludge> Kamion: thanks for trying to help...Could my firewall be messing with me?
[09:10] <zenwhen> ANyone install the newest Nvidia drivers in ubuntu
[09:10] <Optimus> just had to click on the name! :S
[09:10] <zenwhen> ?
[09:10] <|trey|> lemsx1, uhh huh... ;)
[09:10] <nimc> where to i change the forced fsck every 30 mounts on boot to a higher number?
[09:10] <X0563511> Is anyone else freaking out about MS licencing core protocols it has no possible claim on?
[09:11] <lemsx1> nimc, man tunefs
[09:11] <nimc> thanks
[09:11] <lemsx1> nimc, if i were you i would leave it like that
[09:11] <topyli> did the unstable evolution on hoary break for everybody, or is it just me? :)
[09:11] <ben_> anyone use fedora here?
[09:11] <lemsx1> nimc, just don't reboot your system :-)
[09:11] <ben_> who has complaints about fedora?
[09:11] <daniels> ben_: ... in #ubuntu ...
[09:11] <|trey|> ben_, many people in #fedora do........
[09:11] <X0563511> What is evolution anyways?
[09:11] <lemsx1> nimc, or switch to XFS (lovely)
[09:11] <nimc> hmm it's a laptop
[09:12] <|trey|> X0563511, you're kidding right?
[09:12] <X0563511> |trey|: nope
[09:12] <X0563511> im a nub
[09:12] <jonex> X0563511, Email bloat...
[09:12] <ben_> evolution is an email and communcation app thing
[09:12] <lemsx1> X0563511, evolution is the path from one organism life forms to another by the means of ... do you mean in biology?
[09:12] <topyli> X0563511: it's like when species very slowly turn into other, more advanced ones
[09:12] <ben_> rofl
[09:12] <topyli> mine is unstable
[09:12] <|trey|> X0563511, see the little yellow icon on your top panel? click it... thats evolution  :)
[09:12] <MarcN> X0563511: mail/calendar/todo app..  outlook replacement
[09:12] <lemsx1> X0563511, sorry. i just want to contribute to the chaos
[09:12] <X0563511> no, i mean the "groupware"
[09:12] <X0563511> lol
[09:12] <topyli> hehe
[09:12] <X0563511> |trey|: in windwoes now
[09:13] <lemsx1> jonex, evolution 2 is the best thing on this planet
[09:13] <paulproteus> X0563511: MS trying to license TCP/IP isn't a big deal.  It's MS trying to defraud the world.  As I see it, it's of no concern to us, because the law and the standards groups that maintain the Internet (as well as non-idiocy) are on our side.
[09:13] <nimc> lemsx1 there's no tunefs command on man........ ?
[09:13] <X0563511> ooh! a replacement for the useless program i always uninstall! just what i needed.
[09:13] <olimar> rebooting
[09:13] <|trey|> lemsx1, blah, Thunderbird owns it  8)
[09:13] <topyli> lemsx1: so, is no-one trying 2.1 yet?
[09:13] <ben_> indeed, thunderbird rocks
[09:13] <X0563511> Can i take evolution out without taking out "ubuntu desktop" also?
[09:13] <jonex> lemsx1 What it does(that i have use of) that my gmail doesn't?
[09:13] <nimc> on=or
[09:13] <ben_> ubuntu desktop can be taken out
[09:13] <Matt|> X0563511, you can get rid of ubuntu desktop
[09:13] <ben_> it's just a meta package that the install uses
[09:13] <topyli> X0563511: don't worry about ubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-base
[09:14] <nimc> No manual entry for tunefs
[09:14] <lemsx1> nimc, tune2fs ?
[09:14] <Matt|> i like evolution very much
[09:14] <ben_> it won't harm your system if you remove it
[09:14] <|trey|> Matt|, I really really don't  :(
[09:14] <X0563511> Just empty packages for some use or another?
[09:14] <Matt|> |trey|, that's fine by me
[09:14] <lemsx1> |trey|, thunderbird feels like a website
[09:14] <|trey|> lemsx1, thats a bad thing?
[09:14] <X0563511> I would rather stick to my gmail.
[09:14] <nimc> lemsx1 thanks, that exists
[09:14] <ben_> the new thunderbird feels alot like outlook
[09:14] <ben_> .9
[09:14] <Optimus_Prime> hi
[09:14] <lemsx1> topyli, evo2 with gaim and gnome integration rocks... i did a debian package for gaim to allow this
[09:14] <Matt|> |trey|, what is wrong with evolution?
[09:14] <Optimus_Prime> just need help
[09:15] <topyli> what i'm talking about is evo 2.1. is it generally broken
[09:15] <X0563511> Why is outlook so popular anyways? Waste of hard drive space...
[09:15] <Optimus_Prime> i want to eliminate gnome meeting from Ubuntu
[09:15] <Matt|> Optimus_Prime, go for it
[09:15] <ben_> because outlook came with windows
[09:15] <|trey|> Matt|, it just seems like overkill on a desktop install... its junk mail filters suck also imo...
[09:15] <topyli> lemsx1: yes, i have it working too :)
[09:15] <ben_> why is IE so popular? because it came with windows ;)
[09:15] <X0563511> ... does anyone else hate all the K-this , GNOME-this crap?
[09:15] <ben_> see how these things go together?
[09:15] <Matt|> |trey|, i do not mind about junk mail filters
[09:15] <lemsx1> jonex, evo 2 has filters that gmail won't ever allow :-) you can say: pipe this to program X and then put it in whatever dir if it outputs Y or X or Z
[09:15] <|trey|> Although Thunderbirds is getting worse too...
[09:16] <X0563511> Ill just use telnet for my email, lol
[09:16] <lemsx1> jonex, gmail is nice anyway... but tbird sucks big time from the look-n-feel point of view
[09:16] <topyli> ben_: why is windows so popular? because it came with Word :)
[09:16] <Optimus_Prime> vut through Synaptics, when i select to eliminate it, it tells me that it is going to affect "ubuntu-desktop", is that a problem or shall i just go on?
[09:16] <ogra> |trey|: so use mailx ;)
[09:16] <jonex> lemsx1, Well, that was why i added (that I have use of) :P
[09:16] <Matt|> |trey|, or hotmail
[09:16] <ben_> topyli: lol
[09:16] <X0563511> Optimus_Prime: i was just told not to worry about ubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-base
[09:16] <|trey|> topyli, Windows never came with Word afaik
[09:16] <Optimus_Prime> so if it tells me that, i just go on, don't I?
[09:16] <Matt|> Optimus_Prime, they are not real packages, you can delete em
[09:16] <X0563511> But it came with wordpad...
[09:16] <|trey|> ogra, blah... Thunderbird or Gmail  8)
[09:16] <Optimus_Prime> ok
[09:16] <ben_> XO563511: that's correct, ubuntu desktop isn't a real package
[09:17] <topyli> |trey|: well, no-one ever bought windows that i know. they want word
[09:17] <lemsx1> ben_, you are right in that. tbird does feel like outlook xp. very bad
[09:17] <Optimus_Prime> is the TOTEM that comes with ubuntu bugged?
[09:17] <ben_> Windows was so popular because a whole bunch of people got high and decided to start liking it
[09:17] <X0563511> Its so you can install all the default packages, right? It has dependancies on all of them?
[09:17] <lemsx1> topyli, i use evo 2.1 all the time (at work) (from debian's experimental rep)
[09:17] <topyli> is no-one using hoary anymore?
[09:17] <ben_> no one really knows why everyone liked windows, i think it was because of the backwards compatibility
[09:17] <X0563511> I hate totem
[09:17] <X0563511> i like mplayer
[09:17] <|trey|> X0563511, not all of them, but you got the right idea, yes  :)
[09:17] <Optimus_Prime> yeah me too
[09:17] <ben_> topyli: i use hoary
[09:17] <topyli> lemsx1: ah, now we're talking, ben_ too!
[09:18] <X0563511> (imagine a linux newb successfully installing and using mplayer....)
[09:18] <Matt|> ogra, i'm with you buddy
[09:18] <shaver> windows is popular for developers because its APIs, debuggers and toolchain are much better than Linux's
[09:18] <ogra> Matt|: yay
[09:18] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:18] <|trey|> X0563511, there is also ubuntu-base which depends on things that aren't desktop specific  :)
[09:18] <shaver> I wish we had toolchains and debuggers of that quality on Linux
[09:18] <shaver> every day, I wish that
[09:18] <Optimus_Prime> Synaptic tells me that if i want to eliminate gnome meeting, i'm aslo going to eliminate ubuntu-desktop... :S
[09:18] <topyli> lemsx1 ben_ so, does it work with imap for you? does it crash?
[09:18] <lemsx1> ogra, nope. evo2 rocks... gaim+gnome+evo2 work seamless for user accounts (addressbook integration)
[09:18] <X0563511> |trey|: i understand now
[09:18] <ben_> topyli: huh, i don't get ur question?
[09:18] <Matt|> ogra, a friend of mine told me his comp-science professor at university called him into his room to show him evolution
[09:18] <X0563511> |trey|: yay! that means totem can die now!
[09:19] <Matt|> ogra, as he really liked it
[09:19] <topyli> ben_: evo 2.1 crashes on startup, and doesn't work with imap very well (for me)
[09:19] <|trey|> X0563511, I keep it around and just use Mplayer  8)
[09:19] <X0563511> Optimus_Prime: You can safely remove ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-base
[09:19] <Optimus_Prime> what are they then?
[09:19] <ogra> lemsx1: i know, i love its integration......
[09:19] <X0563511> Optimus_Prime: they are empty packages
[09:19] <Matt|> Optimus_Prime, they are meta-packages
[09:19] <|trey|> Optimus_Prime, meta-packages to make installation easier...
[09:19] <Optimus_Prime> ok
[09:19] <Matt|> Optimus_Prime, they help you install other things
[09:19] <Optimus_Prime> then they're out ;)
[09:19] <Optimus_Prime> thanks !
[09:20] <X0563511> Well, i hate how totem claims it can open all kinds of formats it cant, like mp3, wav, ect
[09:20] <ogra> lemsx1: http://www.grawert.net/software/evonotify/
[09:20] <Optimus_Prime> and now i'll go for mplayer ;)
[09:20] <X0563511> Music Player is also equaly useless, mplayer and xmms fill the gaps for me
[09:20] <|trey|> Optimus_Prime, things like 'gnome' and 'x-window-system-core' are meta-packages also... the concept is one of my favorate things about Debian  :)
[09:20] <lemsx1> topyli, i use it to access exchange's imap4 server over ssl. it works great. not a hitch. i also have it tapping into the active directory addresses for the whole domain... works like a charm.. i don't use the exchange-connector...
[09:20] <Matt|> |trey|, debian is not the only distro to have meta packages :)
[09:21] <Optimus_Prime> so in terms of multimedia i'll manage perfectly just with mplayer and xmms, is that true?
[09:21] <|trey|> Matt|, no RPM based distro uses them so widely though...
[09:21] <X0563511> Optimus_Prime: thats my opinion, and i also built both from source
[09:21] <|trey|> Optimus_Prime, yes, that should be enough...
[09:21] <Matt|> |trey|, oh i was thinking of gentoo
[09:21] <topyli> lemsx1: hmm... i couldn't get to my imap server from work. downgraded to 2.0.2, worked again :\
[09:21] <X0563511> Optimus_Prime: Not necessarily the easiest ones, but i like what they can do
[09:21] <ogra> likes
[09:21] <Matt|> yeah i've been converted to rhythmbox and totem
[09:21] <lemsx1> topyli, evo crashing on startup? try running from a terminal to see what it displash... use killev to stop it and mv your evolution folder if you have it, out of the wya... same for .evolution (at least momentarily) to see what happens
[09:21] <|trey|> Optimus_Prime, although, I would recommend beep-media-player over xmms... same thing, just gtk2  :)
[09:22] <X0563511> totem and rhythbox... eww
[09:22] <Optimus_Prime> ok i'll try
[09:22] <X0563511> But if your a winamp junky, xmms is almost the same as winamp 2.x in terms of function and apperance
[09:22] <Optimus_Prime> i'm gonna try them now, so in case i have any doubt i'll be around here
[09:22] <lemsx1> ogra, wow, that's a nice applet
[09:22] <Matt|> |trey|, i think beep-media-player is well buggy
[09:23] <cenerentola> matt...
[09:23] <Matt|> hi cenerentola
[09:23] <topyli> lemsx1: can't do it anymore, already downgraded. :) i might upgrade again and debug further when there's time
[09:23] <|trey|> Matt|, beats the heck outta having to ever look at a gtk1.2 based interface...
[09:23] <nimc> anyone knows how to limit the size of the taskbar items?
[09:23] <lemsx1> Optimus_Prime, beep-media-player is way better than XMMS at everything
[09:23] <X0563511> One thing i dont understand about MPlayer...
[09:23] <X0563511> what do i do with that essentail codec pack?
[09:23] <Matt|> |trey|, not if it doesn't work properly
[09:23] <|trey|> Matt|, personally, I prefer ZINF but its 'heavier' then beep/xmms
[09:24] <topyli> X0563511: if you figure the codecs out, totem and xine will work too
[09:24] <ben_> i did a bandwidth test and it told me my speed was 2.9mb/s, but stuff still seems slow
[09:24] <|trey|> X0563511, the codecs are part of the mplayer packages in multiverse...
[09:24] <ogra> lemsx1: jep, i'm the guy for the odd workarounds (that look mostly nicer thenthey are *g*)
[09:24] <ben_> anyone get doom to work?
[09:24] <X0563511> tahnks
[09:24] <X0563511> G2G, back later
[09:24] <|trey|> ben_, I have... yeah...
[09:25] <ben_> i got it from synaptic, but it isn't in the menus :(
[09:25] <lemsx1> topyli, you are right... i thought i had 2.1 here, but i do have 2.0.2. i believe i use 2.1 at home (which doesn't use imap from exchange, only from wu-imapd)
[09:25] <ben_> |trey|, i tried llxdoom from the command line and it gives errors
[09:25] <|trey|> ben_, you install lxdoom and freedoom?
[09:25] <ben_> uh, i think so
[09:25] <|trey|> make sure  :)
[09:25] <ben_> i may have not installed freedoom
[09:26] <topyli> lemsx1: ok. although i don't use exchange either. it's my own server with dovecot (imap) over ssl
[09:26] <lemsx1> |trey|, bmp and xmms are not the samething anymore :-) bmp does tag editing for all versions of id3. xmms sucks at this
[09:26] <nimc> the aac and qdesign v2 audio codecs for quicktime don't work for me with totem /xine - anyone knows about that?
[09:27] <|trey|> nimc, never played with aac... never had a quicktime codec not work though...
[09:27] <dieman> anyone know if the /media initial setup is handled in d-i or base-config?
[09:27] <lemsx1> Matt|, bmp people are working on a complete re-write of it... but the software (old) is still maintained... the new one will be based on gstreamer and a bunch of other cool things (no legacy xmms code will be used; but it will be backwards compatible with plugins and other things (skins etc...))
[09:27] <dieman> (offhand, i can go dig and find it if i need to)
[09:27] <ben_> |trey|, i have doomlegacy-x11 and doomlegacy-data installed
[09:27] <Matt|> lemsx1, np, i'm ok with xmms and rhythmbox
[09:27] <ben_> i don't see a freedoom
[09:28] <nimc> |trey|, i downloaded the essentials w32 codecs from mplayer.... these don't work... and they're quite common
[09:28] <|trey|> ben_, ok... install it... its the game info... kinda important...
[09:28] <lemsx1> |trey|, Zinf crashes a lot more often than all other media players
[09:28] <|trey|> lemsx1, I dunno... I had it playing for like a week straight once...
[09:28] <ben_> |trey|, where do i get it? like i said, freedoom doesn't seem to be in universe
[09:28] <|trey|> lemsx1, XMMS usually dies after about a day... Rhythmbox is usually pretty good...
[09:29] <|trey|> ben_, try multiverse... I see it...
[09:29] <nimc> |trey|, can i give u a file to try?
[09:29] <|trey|> nimc, no
[09:29] <ben_> how do i turn on multiverse? or what's the url to it
[09:29] <|trey|> ben_, the universe line in synaptics, add ' multiverse' and update...
[09:29] <lemsx1> |trey|, you probably only use ASCII based names for all your music files, right?
[09:30] <lemsx1> |trey|, no utf8 or anything special in comments either
[09:30] <|trey|> lemsx1, not sure... I just get them from friends or play streams...
[09:30] <|trey|> lemsx1, its pretty safe to say they aren't utf-8
[09:31] <lemsx1> |trey|, i used to find a ton of bugs in zinf and i even try to get into the source to fix some... but i kept finding more and reporting them upstream... i got tired and moved to beep-media-player
[09:31] <lemsx1> |trey|, try in Zinf doing normal things like: start a play list, start playing some files, then remove the actual files from the directory while the list plays ... watch what happens :-)
[09:32] <|trey|> lemsx1, I dunno, I mainly stick with Rhythmbox now... just it depended on too much of GNOME, so when I am not using GNOME, I use ZINF...
[09:32] <lemsx1> |trey|, now do the same thing with xmms or bmp (beep-media-player)
[09:32] <lemsx1> |trey|, rhythmbox got a lot better at not crashing... at least in gnome 2.8 and up
[09:32] <|trey|> lemsx1, Fedora's implementation still sucks  :/
[09:33] <topyli> |trey|: use the mpd daemon, it has clients for any environment (web and windows clients too)
[09:33] <|trey|> lemsx1, never have problems with Debian based packages though...
[09:34] <lemsx1> |trey|, i have not used any other distro in years... debian only
[09:34] <ben_> |trey|, where's the sources.list file, mine got messed up and i gotta fix it
[09:34] <|trey|> lemsx1, I used to be a KDE zealot though, GNOME 2.6 (plus the sheer amount of bugs in the Debian packages) took me away from KDE though...
[09:34] <lemsx1> ben_, /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[09:34] <oddabe19> ben_, /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:34] <ben_> thanks
[09:35] <lemsx1> |trey|, :-) kde is fine. if only somebody would re-write the whole thing using gtk... oh wait, that's Gnome
[09:35] <lemsx1> :-)
[09:35] <ogra> lemsx1: come on.... never
[09:35] <mAIJK> when u install something with synaptics, why dont the programs show in the applications menu?? using gnome!
[09:35] <|trey|> lemsx1, blah... I used to use gtk2-engines-gtk-qt... everything plastik  8)
[09:35] <daniels> guys, no kde vs gnome wars in here, please.  been done.  #ubuntu-offtopic if you desperately see the need to debate it.
[09:35] <|trey|> I <3 that theme  8)
[09:36] <lemsx1> mAIJK, pkill gnome-panel
[09:36] <|trey|> daniels, no wars, just friendly discussion  :)
[09:36] <daniels> |trey|: in any case
[09:36] <|trey|> daniels, although prolly better for #ubuntu-offtopic  ;)
[09:36] <daniels> yes
[09:36] <Optimus_Prime> back again! if i have a .deb package, how do i execute it?
[09:36] <lemsx1> daniels, :-) no wars...
[09:37] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: you _install_ it by calling: sudo dpkg -i <package.deb>
[09:37] <Optimus_Prime> ok :D
[09:37] <Optimus_Prime> what is that -i parameter for?
[09:37] <ben_> synaptic pisses me off so much
[09:38] <ogra> install
[09:38] <ben_> it just f***ing never works
[09:38] <ogra> -r remove.....more with: man dpkg
[09:38] <ben_> i tried adding multiverse to the universe ones; didn't work
[09:38] <X0563511> im baaack
[09:38] <topyli> ben_: it works every time, you must have b0rken it :)
[09:39] <ben_> no, the first time i got it, before i did anything, the ubuntu.com repositories were ignoring me or something
[09:39] <ben_> they refused to give me the universe stuff
[09:39] <Matt|> ben_, you tried clicking "reload"
[09:39] <Matt|> ?
[09:39] <ben_> i'm not that stupid :p
[09:39] <Optimus_Prime> and then once i have done dpkg, what's next?
[09:39] <|trey|> ben_, hmm, can /etc/apt/sources.list | grep universe  <-- tell me what that says...
[09:39] <|trey|> cat *
[09:40] <lemsx1> ben_, synaptic works like a charm always
[09:40] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: dunno, what have you installed ?
[09:40] <Matt|> ben_, it wouldn't be stupid: reload is a strange way of saying update
[09:40] <Optimus_Prime> beep media player
[09:40] <topyli> ben_: the servers don't refuse their stuff from you. synaptic Just Works. something else is wrong.
[09:40] <|trey|> ben_, do what I asked please
[09:40] <ben_> i am, hold on
[09:40] <topyli> hehe
[09:41] <granlatigo> hi
[09:41] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: why did you do it by hand ?
[09:41] <im_ka> hey
[09:41] <Matt|> oooh more hoary updates
[09:41] <Optimus_Prime> was there a better way? :(
[09:41] <im_ka> does any1 have experience with samba?
[09:41] <toxicsludge> yeah
[09:41] <X0563511> im_ka: some
[09:41] <im_ka> i wanna copy over files to my gf's laptop
[09:41] <toxicsludge> watchoo need
[09:41] <granlatigo> anyone has tried to connect to win2k?
[09:41] <im_ka> winxp
[09:41] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: if you got net access you use apt-get or synaptic....
[09:42] <ben_> |trey|: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse
[09:42] <ben_> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse
[09:42] <ben_> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe multiverse
[09:42] <ben_> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted universe multiverse
[09:42] <X0563511> im_ka: i only know windows->linux. i dont know how to manage samba the other way around
[09:42] <lemsx1> granlatigo, connect how?
[09:42] <bigt> sorry to repeat i just simply don't know, is there a way at the ubuntu boot screen with the cd in to install grub like /sbin/grub-install /dev/hda or something to that matter?
[09:42] <granlatigo> by smb
[09:42] <topyli> granlatigo: many have tried, no-one has come back to tell about it :)
[09:42] <ogra> ben_: hell
[09:42] <granlatigo> lol
[09:42] <|trey|> ben_, remove universe and multiverse from the security entry and try again
[09:42] <X0563511> bigt: im sure there is, but i personally have no idea
[09:43] <lemsx1> granlatigo, smb://server/Share in nautilus
[09:43] <|trey|> ben_, universe and multiverse do not get security updates.
[09:43] <lemsx1> granlatigo, where server is the name of the computer you want to connect to
[09:43] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticTutorial/
[09:43] <X0563511> you can also mount a samba share, if smbfs is installed.
[09:43] <lemsx1> X0563511, but unnecessary
[09:43] <bigt> ok thanks
[09:44] <X0563511> mount -t smbfs //SERVER/sharename /path/you/want/to/mount/to -o username=USERNAMEonServer
[09:44] <X0563511> it will ask for a password
[09:44] <X0563511> thats the password for the user, on the server
[09:44] <Optimus_Prime> ogra, shall i then remove what i just did with dpkg?
[09:44] <im_ka> do i need to install samba stuff on the xp-laptop?
[09:44] <X0563511> no
[09:44] <lemsx1> X0563511, and if you do that, then if the computer goes offline, your linux box will "freeze" (not hang, just annoying slow downs) (open handle that can't be closed) dangerous thing
[09:44] <X0563511> Microsoft File and Printer Sharing is samba, essentially
[09:45] <|trey|> ben_, that stop synaptic from arguing with you?  ;)
[09:45] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: use the search function in synaptic, it will show you if everthing is ok with the package you installed....
[09:45] <X0563511> lemsx1unlikely, if the server is sitting next to you
[09:46] <granlatigo> lemsx1: my nautilus don`t have tha navigation bat
[09:46] <ben_> |trey|: did that, and removed the duplicate entries; still doesn't bring up freedoom when searching for "doom"
[09:46] <granlatigo> bar.. excuse
[09:46] <topyli> granlatigo: press ctrl+l
[09:46] <|trey|> ben_, strange... I am using hoary... that could be why, don't see why it wouldn't have been part of warty though  :(
[09:47] <X0563511> How do i set up my samba shares in warty?
[09:47] <lemsx1> X0563511, well, it's better to just use Nautilus for it
[09:47] <ben_> |trey|: the rendering engine is there :p
[09:47] <Optimus_Prime> ogra, it is, the beep-player box is green...
[09:47] <|trey|> ben_, without freedoom, lxdoom is kind of useless (it is probably complaining about no game files found)
[09:47] <ben_> i told you, my synaptics is messed up
[09:47] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: fine
[09:47] <X0563511> lemsx1 but if you need the bash prompt to be able to access it...
[09:47] <mirak> hi
[09:47] <Optimus_Prime> but there is no icon in the multimedia bar
[09:48] <topyli> ben_: try to search with apt-cache then
[09:48] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: i think you will have to create your own :/
[09:48] <mirak> What should ubuntu become in the future ? Will ubuntu evolve and have config tools like mandrake ?
[09:48] <Optimus_Prime> ogra, is that easy?
[09:48] <Optimus_Prime> any tutorial i can look at?
[09:48] <mirak> I mean what is the real goal ?
[09:48] <bigt> x05: you know where i can get the manual for grub other than gnu.org cause it keeps on timing out on me
[09:49] <topyli> mirak: why would we what such a tool?
[09:49] <lemsx1> X0563511, with nautilus? you don't need the prompt
[09:49] <topyli> s/what/want
[09:49] <X0563511> searching
[09:49] <|trey|> mirak, I think they will just add things to gnome-system-tools... having one interface for everything is not the Unix way, and I would start killing people if they took that approach...
[09:49] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: right klick in the multimedia menu, in the submenu select add new entry
[09:49] <mirak> tof__: I am saying mandrake like tools, not mandrake tools
[09:49] <ben_> |trey|: nope, didn't come up with freedoom
[09:49] <lemsx1> X0563511, in nautilus just go to Open Location or type the address in browser mode (whichever you use)
[09:50] <X0563511> lemsx1 i need the prompt for some things (ei i need root to access it in my particular config)
[09:50] <mirak> |trey|: well, if it's modular it's not a problem, if you see what I mean
[09:50] <Optimus_Prime> and what's the command i should put in there?
[09:50] <topyli> mirak: still. we want things to Just Work, and whatever needs to be changed should be easy to change with specific tools
[09:50] <lemsx1> mirak, debian-desktop is discussing the addition of Yast to debian
[09:50] <lemsx1> mirak, that will be just what you want
[09:50] <X0563511> whoever needed the grub manual, heres the google cache:
[09:50] <X0563511> http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:xLiaKHBcdDwJ:www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html+grub+manual&hl=en
[09:50] <mirak> lemsx1: hem, I don't know that. what's debian-desktop ? it's a different entity ?
[09:51] <bigt> thanks
[09:51] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: in synaptic right klick on the package and look at the propertys for installed files.... find /usr/bin
[09:51] <|trey|> ben_, bah... 'http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/f/freedoom/' download the .deb there...
[09:51] <mirak> lemsx1: isn't yast proprietary or something ?
[09:51] <topyli> mirak: yast is liberated now
[09:51] <lemsx1> X0563511, you don't need the prompt or root access. install gnome-sudo or gksu and press ALT+F2 to run gksu gedit /etc/samba/smb.conf
[09:51] <|trey|> mirak, I still don't like that approach... but even still, you can get to those things via nautilus...
[09:51] <lemsx1> X0563511, or whatever other file you want to edit
[09:52] <X0563511> lemsx1, im new to linux, thats a little hairy for me...
[09:52] <granlatigo> lemsx1: thx
[09:52] <Optimus_Prime> ogra, this "/usr/local/bin/beep-media-player" you mean?
[09:52] <lemsx1> mirak, debian-desktop is a mailing list where the way debian as a desktop system should work
[09:52] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: oh
[09:52] <lemsx1> mirak, yast is open source (gpl'ed) by Suse...
[09:52] <ben_> |trey|: d/l'd it with firefox, now what?
[09:52] <mirak> lemsx1: that's a project ?
[09:52] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: yes
[09:53] <granlatigo> lemsx1: I have tried to acces to my win2k, but i could`t get into
[09:53] <mirak> lemsx1: gpl ?? isn't debian against gpl ?
[09:53] <|trey|> ben_, install it as root  'dpkg -i free*.deb
[09:53] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: but /usr/local indicates its not a ubuntu package
[09:53] <X0563511> granlatigo: do you have the administrative passowrd?
[09:53] <lemsx1> X0563511, i'm sorry :-) i was assuming you are new to linux... ALT+F2 is the Run Program... dialog in Gnome
[09:53] <X0563511> ooh
[09:53] <granlatigo> lemsx1:... because i didn`t write de domain (local workgroup)
[09:53] <granlatigo> XDDDDDDDd
[09:53] <mirak> |trey|: you don't like the aproach of having config tools ?
[09:53] <topyli> mirak: debian is for free software, like gpl stuff. are you hallucinating? ;)
[09:53] <Optimus_Prime> ogra, i got a debian package, anything wrong about that? :S
[09:54] <lemsx1> X0563511, gksu is a front end to "su" (and can also do sudo) so that you can execute commands as root in GUI mode
[09:54] <|trey|> mirak, ctrl-l in nautilus and go to 'preferences:///', then click on "System Tools"...
[09:54] <X0563511> granlatigo: if you do, access share //SERVER/c$ (where c is the drive letter, lower case), log in as administrator
[09:54] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: if you get problems with it i would suggest installing the original ubuntu pkg
[09:54] <|trey|> mirak, I don't like one interface for them all, no...
[09:54] <mirak> topyli: I promised me to read one day this licence stuffs :)
[09:54] <topyli> heh
[09:54] <X0563511> granlatigo: that will give you Read/Write access to the whole drive, with admin capabilities
[09:54] <Optimus_Prime> ogra, what you mean? look for an ubuntu package of beep media player?
[09:54] <Optimus_Prime> or delete and then reinstall throught synaptic?
[09:55] <granlatigo> X0563511, now I hace access, the only thing was wrong was
[09:55] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: if there i s.deb in the end it doesnt mean it is compiled for or on ubuntu, so it could break....
[09:55] <ben_> |trey|: i just get "cannot access" errors
[09:55] <granlatigo> X0563511, ... i didn`t know that the domain field was necesary...
[09:55] <X0563511> granlatigo: ok, but dont forget the admin share i just told you about. Every windows 2k and up has it, and you cant disable it
[09:55] <|trey|> ben_, as root.
[09:55] <granlatigo> in a local workgrup
[09:55] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: synaptic automatically only installs ubuntu packages by default, so you should stick with it ;)
[09:55] <|trey|> ben_, sudo dpkg -i free*.deb
[09:56] <X0563511> granlatigo: theres one for every drive on the system, except removables (floppies, cds, ect)
[09:56] <mirak> |trey|: on mandrake all elements of config can be run separately
[09:56] <granlatigo> X0563511, i know that.. thanks..
[09:56] <X0563511> granlatigo: k
[09:56] <|trey|> mirak, cool dude, I hate Mandrake, seeing its name makes me shudder... look at what I said, thats as close as GNOME will ever get...
[09:56] <ben_> |trey|: "Cannot access: no such file or directory
[09:56] <topyli> mirak: the mandrake control center implementation is quite cool really. much better than yast.
[09:56] <ben_> wtf
[09:56] <Optimus_Prime> so if i can't find a package in Synaptic means there is no such package for ubuntu?
[09:56] <ben_> :p
[09:56] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: uninstalling with synaptic and then reinstalling (also with synaptic) should be the best for you i guess read the tutorial....
[09:57] <mirak> topyli: I don't know yast, I will google for it
[09:57] <Optimus_Prime> ok
[09:57] <ben_> lol
[09:57] <Optimus_Prime> thanks a lot ogra
[09:57] <|trey|> ben_, damnit dude... whereever you downloaded it to... run what I said from there....
[09:57] <Optimus_Prime> you've been really nice ;)
[09:57] <ben_> ok, lol
[09:57] <X0563511> ben_ is having an awfully hard time
[09:57] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: enable universe and multiverse for more packages ;)
[09:57] <lemsx1> mirak, go to the debian.org site and check the mailing lists archives for debian-desktop
[09:57] <lemsx1> mirak, that was posted today or yesterday
[09:57] <granlatigo> X0563511, I got the mplayer working in 40min, but 2 days is the price I have paid to use smb
[09:57] <|trey|> X0563511, he's making me want to hit hard things  :(
[09:57] <granlatigo> XDDD
[09:57] <topyli> mirak: leave yast alone, it will misconfigure your girlfriend, and corrupt your dog =)
[09:57] <granlatigo> too simple, too blind..
[09:57] <granlatigo> thanks..
[09:58] <lemsx1> topyli, :-)
[09:58] <ogra> lol
[09:58] <Optimus_Prime> universe and multiverse? don't know what'sthat
[09:58] <lemsx1> topyli, he should wait until a package for debian is finished
[09:58] <topyli> I'M NOT KIDDING!
[09:58] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: its described in the tutorial ;)
[09:58] <X0563511> granlatigo: lol. It took me 20 min to get mplayer up, and 5 to figure out how to use smb as a client. (but i still dont know how to configure it as a server, and my knowledge is patchy at best)
[09:58] <lemsx1> topyli, preferences:/// doesn't deal with hardware related stuff
[09:58] <lemsx1> topyli, or mounting filesystems, etc...
[09:59] <ben_> |trey|: why does apt-get and synaptic hate me?
[09:59] <topyli> lemsx1: no. this stuff is supposed to Work Out Of Das Box
[09:59] <|trey|> lemsx1, thats what 'disks:///' is for (mounting)... any hardware that isn't auto-detected is a bug...
[09:59] <X0563511> ... can i mount an FTP site as a drive?
[09:59] <|trey|> ben_, because it likes fucking with n00b's  ;)
[09:59] <ogra> ben_: because you mistreated it ?
[10:00] <ogra> ;)
[10:00] <X0563511> I just said fuck you, and went around it....
[10:00] <ben_> ogra: lol
[10:00] <X0563511> lol
[10:00] <topyli> hehe
[10:00] <X0563511> How do you think i learned windows in and out?
[10:00] <ben_> ok, now how do i actually run the game?
[10:00] <lemsx1> topyli, what if you add a new drive to the your box?
[10:00] <|trey|> ben_, They do what I say cuz they know I will win in the end either way  :)
[10:00] <|trey|> ben_, they are like pets, you have to train them  :)
[10:00] <ben_> if i start a new session, will it be in my games menu?
[10:01] <|trey|> ben_, lxdoom
[10:01] <X0563511> ben_ only if the package knows how
[10:01] <topyli> lemsx1: if i do that, i'll add it to fstab. not userland stuff really
[10:01] <|trey|> ben_, it will load the freedoom game files if everything worked  :)
[10:01] <ben_> lxdoom: command not found
[10:01] <ben_> :\
[10:01] <ben_> i don't think i installed that one
[10:01] <ben_> lolz
[10:01] <X0563511> ben_: try /usr/games/lxdoom
[10:01] <|trey|> ben_, ahh... you said you had that installed
[10:01] <lemsx1> topyli, well, some people don't know how to add this to fstab
[10:01] <Optimus_Prime> thanks once again ogra
[10:01] <ben_> i installed doomlegacy-x11, that's just the doom engine
[10:01] <ben_> lol
[10:02] <lemsx1> topyli, Yast does this for you ;-) plus more
[10:02] <|trey|> ben_, damnit dude... apt-get install lxdoom
[10:02] <topyli> lemsx1: well if we want a gui for that, we should add it to the gnome tools probably
[10:02] <ogra> X0563511: /usr/games is in $PATH
[10:02] <eim> What about nvidia (GeForce) 3D hardware acceleration and Ubuntu?
[10:02] <|trey|> ben_, lxdoom is the actual game, freedoom is the game files...
[10:02] <ben_> lxdoom-x11 ?
[10:02] <ben_> is that what i want?
[10:02] <theine> is there a way of getting rid of all software from 3rd-party repositories?
[10:02] <X0563511> ogra: it is? then why does my link for armyops (in /usr/games) not work unless i use the whole path?
[10:03] <|trey|> ben_, sure...
[10:03] <topyli> lemsx1: yast will also revert any changes you do to the config files by hand, if you even touch it afterwards. the mandrake tools don't do that at least
[10:03] <|trey|> ben_, you are making this very complicated  :(
[10:03] <lemsx1> topyli, that's the trend.. to add that and a bunch of other things that gnome is missing...
[10:03] <ogra> X0563511_AWAY: echo $PATH
[10:03] <lemsx1> topyli, i'm working on a nice front end for dvdauthor, to create DVDs
[10:03] <theine> i mean is there a record from which repository a package has been installed?
[10:03] <lemsx1> topyli, called polidori :-)
[10:03] <|trey|> topyli, please stop talking about Mandrake or SuSE... there config tools are WHY I don't use those systems...
[10:03] <topyli> lemsx1: yep, but there's a limit what can go to g-s-t too
[10:04] <umarmung> theine, you could define a filter in synaptic
[10:04] <topyli> lemsx1: gnome needs your tool!
[10:04] <|trey|> topyli, at least take such things to #ubuntu-offtopic, they are annoying me.
[10:04] <mirak> topyli: "The Debian Project is now officially addressing its usability on the desktop with the launch of the Debian Desktop subproject.
[10:04] <lemsx1> topyli, i'm sure that the debian package won't touch stuff that you have changed by hand... smae like XF86config-4 doesn't get updated when you touch it by hand...
[10:04] <ben_> i tried to install lxdoom-x11 and it gives me dependency errors
[10:04] <ogra> lemsx1: lol, we should work together....
[10:04] <ogra> lemsx1: http://www.grawert.net/software/mrburns/
[10:04] <topyli> |trey|: i'm the one talking _against_ such things here!
[10:05] <Crispo> Anybody eager to act as my personal tech support? No? Ok then. XD
[10:05] <|trey|> mirak, note that doesn't say "The Debian Project is now officially addressing its usability on the desktop with the inclusion of YAST or Mandrake tools"...
[10:05] <topyli> hehe
[10:05] <lemsx1> |trey|, this is being discussed in debian-desktop mailing list. it's work in progress. nothing to do with suse or any other distro
[10:05] <|trey|> mirak, please take such things to -offtopic... its annoying here...
[10:05] <Azeal> theine, if you remove the 3rd party repository in Synaptic and then choose to view packages by Status they will appear under "Installed (local or obsolete)", I think
[10:05] <|trey|> lemsx1, thats kinda my point  :/
[10:06] <ben_> |trey|: it gave me dependency errors when trying to install lxdoom :(
[10:06] <ben_> what other packages do i need?
[10:06] <mirak> |trey|: how can this be offtopic ? ubuntu is based on debian
[10:06] <lemsx1> ogra, sure, you should jump to #polidori
[10:06] <|trey|> ben_, probably whatever it tell you it needs  ;)
[10:06] <theine> umarmung&azeal: thanks guys, i'll check that out
[10:06] <Crispo> I just switched from redhat, and I'm already stuck. It's really sad. Can't even install xine.
[10:06] <ben_> it doesn't say
[10:06] <|trey|> mirak, Yast and Mandrake tools are not though.
[10:06] <Azeal> theine, oh and hit Reload after removing the repository.
[10:06] <|trey|> mirak, Yast and Mandrake tools are OFFTOPIC!!!!!
[10:07] <ben_> |trey| nvm
[10:07] <mirak> |trey|: ? but I am not pursuing talking mandrake or yast. I don't understand you
[10:07] <|trey|> ben_, you figure it out, or just give up?
[10:08] <Optimus_Prime> just one more thing
[10:08] <ben_> |trey| i figured it out, it says it needs lxdoom, but i don't seem theat pkg
[10:08] <lemsx1> Crispo, xine-ui or totem-xine, they are both front-ends for xine
[10:08] <Optimus_Prime> i just realised i have no audio
[10:08] <|trey|> mirak, cool... enless its related to the 'preferences:///' interface though, its offtopic...
[10:08] <Optimus_Prime> i have a sound blaster 5.1 live! card
[10:08] <ben_> is that lxdoom-sndserv ?
[10:08] <Optimus_Prime> shall i just install alsa-module?
[10:08] <|trey|> ben_, just 'apt-get install lxdoom'
[10:08] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: nope, it should work...
[10:09] <jkka> strange, i once again installed ubuntu on a old laptop, it uses somehow 800x600 on X, alltough run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and only allowed 1024x768 and restarted
[10:09] <Optimus_Prime> ogra, i thought it did
[10:09] <Optimus_Prime> but i realised a minute ago it doesn't
[10:09] <|trey|> mirak, if you have issues with that interface, I am sure people would like to hear about it... else its not interesting...
[10:09] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: have you looked at the audio mixer (right klick on the speaker applet) probably something is muted
[10:10] <Crispo> lemsxl: Uh.. I installed the first one that poped up in synaptic. After installing with synaptic, shouldn't it be enough to just run "xine"?
[10:10] <|trey|> ogra, click, not klick  ;)
[10:10] <topyli> |trey|: is freedoom playable? i've not tried, i have my trustworthy ultimate doom wads here :)
[10:10] <|trey|> topyli, I've had it installed before, and played, yes...
[10:10] <Optimus_Prime> oh, i have Sound Blaster Live panel, and then Sigmatel something panel
[10:10] <ogra> |trey|: sorry....german..... i'm used to k ;)
[10:10] <theine> azeal: fantastic, that works
[10:10] <Optimus_Prime> it may be the mpotherboard audio drivers, coould it be that?
[10:10] <topyli> |trey|: good news
[10:10] <|trey|> ogra, its cool, just saw you type it a few times  :)
[10:11] <|trey|> topyli, only thing I didn't like, you get a tiny playing space...
[10:11] <ogra> Optimus_Prime: probably, but first look if anything is muted
[10:11] <Crispo> My oh my. I wish I had friends I could leeche knowledge from.
[10:11] <topyli> ogra is a kde user koming out of the kloset =)
[10:11] <|trey|> topyli, I am sure there is a way to make that larger, but I didn't figure out how  :(
[10:12] <mirak> |trey|: my force grief is that you can't configure pppoe during the install. exept by running a console.
[10:12] <|trey|> Crispo, just ask in here  :)
[10:12] <ben_> |trey| ok, i got everything and it says lxdoom is installed, but the command lxdoom doesn't do anything
[10:12] <ben_> grrr
[10:12] <ben_> aldjfalkj
[10:12] <lemsx1> Crispo, xine is a library and some binaries. not a front-end.. you need some front end to "see" the play/stop etc.. buttons. totem-xine is the best so far
[10:12] <ogra> topyli: last time at 1.2 ....
[10:12] <mirak> |trey|: why did I say force ? I mean first :)
[10:12] <|trey|> mirak, apparently the 'Network' tool will do that...
[10:13] <Crispo> lemsxl: Ah.. ok.
[10:13] <topyli> |trey|: there's an option, like x options... --geometry or something. it's all in the docs, i haven't looked at doom for ages
[10:13] <|trey|> topyli, I've never been that much of gamer  :/
[10:13] <topyli> |trey|: lsdoom is cooler anyway, it's the console thing :)
[10:13] <ogra> topyli: in german click is written in fact klick , no ked magick *G*
[10:13] <corbob> is there any support either current or intended for xpde?
[10:13] <|trey|> Just was bored one day, figured I would give it a shot  :)
[10:13] <topyli> ogra: heh :)
[10:13] <|trey|> corbob, no
[10:14] <topoto> hi+
[10:14] <lemsx1> Crispo, http://xinehq.de/index.php/home
[10:14] <|trey|> corbob, GNOME is the only supported de...
[10:14] <g3r4rd0> anybody knows or has the ubuntu .config file for the kernel??
[10:14] <lemsx1> Crispo, lots of knowledge coming out of that page
[10:14] <corbob> is there any way to use synaptic to install xpde?
[10:14] <ben_> finally
[10:14] <ben_> doom works :p
[10:14] <lemsx1> g3r4rd0, cat /boot/config*
[10:14] <topyli> g3r4rd0: look in /boot
[10:14] <|trey|> corbob, I don't see it, no
[10:14] <topoto> java ubuntu??
[10:15] <|trey|> ben_, yay  :)
[10:15] <g3r4rd0> lemsx1, thanks
[10:15] <topyli> topoto: yes, java works. get it from Sun
[10:15] <ogra> topoto: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:15] <g3r4rd0> topyli: thanks to you too
[10:15] <|trey|> g3r4rd0, /boot/config-<uname -r>
[10:16] <topoto> thanks
[10:16] <topyli> and thorough :)
[10:17] <Crispo> So how is it one installs .deb packages?
[10:18] <|trey|> topyli, blah... 'http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary' look at the sources.list there... recommend the java repo there from now on  :)
[10:18] <|trey|> # deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian/ ./
[10:18] <ogra> Crisp:https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticTutorial/
[10:18] <lemsx1> Crispo, dpkg -i package.deb
[10:18] <ogra> Crispo
[10:18] <lemsx1> Crispo, yep. use synaptic
[10:18] <theine> libdvdcss is not in multiverse i suppose?
[10:18] <topyli> |trey|: oooohh!
[10:19] <|trey|> topyli, ready packages java .deb's  :)
[10:19] <ogra> theine: i think it is, just w32codecs is missing currently
[10:20] <calvin> .
[10:20] <topyli> |trey|: yeah, and a very mysterious dyndns address to make it sound excitingly illegal too!
[10:20] <X0563511> what is in w32codecs?
[10:20] <|trey|> topyli, haha... it works  :/
[10:21] <ogra> X0563511: evil software ;)
[10:21] <|trey|> topyli, you using hoary?
[10:21] <Crispo> I can't find totem-xine in synaptic. Perhaps I shouldn't. Man, I feel so stupid.
[10:21] <topyli> |trey|: yep. except i had to downgrade evolution
[10:21] <X0563511> Is THAT why i couldnt open any MP3 streams with rythmbox?
[10:21] <theine> ogra: actually both w32codecs and libdvdcss are missing
[10:22] <theine> ogra: so those i do have to get from marillat i guess?
[10:22] <|trey|> topyli, recently saw an upgrade of evo... didn't fix problems?
[10:22] <lemsx1> Crispo, did you use Search? look under the section for Gnome
[10:22] <|trey|> theine, don't recommend marillats packages, mplayer etc is in Multiverse.
[10:22] <ogra> theine: yep
[10:22] <topyli> |trey|: which version was that? evo has been updated in hoary at least once on this box
[10:23] <X0563511> You mean there was an mplayer package? you mean to say that i fought with the raw source for nothing?
[10:23] <lemsx1> |trey|, w32codecs and transcode etc.. are in Multiverse? good to know
[10:23] <|trey|> theine, those codecs are in the package already.
[10:23] <theine> |trey|: well i just got rid of all marillat packages, but where else shall i get w32codecs from
[10:23] <|trey|> lemsx1, ^
[10:23] <ogra> |trey|: w32codecs are still missing....if you wnat them you are bound to marillat
[10:23] <X0563511> how do i add multiverse?
[10:23] <theine> |trey|: they are?
[10:23] <|trey|> ogra, all codecs are compiled into the package...
[10:23] <|trey|> theine, yes
[10:23] <ogra> oh....
[10:24] <topyli> |trey|: the 2.1.0-0ubuntu3 packages didn't do it. but it may be in the new daemons too, dunno
[10:24] <|trey|> topyli, sorry for delay, 2.1.0-0ubuntu3 is the version  ;)
[10:24] <|trey|> topyli, I don't use Evolution, although its installed  :/
[10:25] <Crispo> Ok.. I tink I'll reinstall ubuntu and change it to English while I'm at it. I need to start over. :(
[10:25] <topyli> |trey|: yeah, startup crashes, imap problems
[10:25] <|trey|> topyli, for me, I get as far as finishing the initial setup, then it just kinda farts  :/
[10:25] <ogra> huh ?
[10:26] <topyli> |trey|: i can just press "restart" in the crash dialog :)
[10:26] <topyli> and it works
[10:26] <|trey|> ogra, when you click 'finish' in evolution in hoary, the configuration thing never goes away...
[10:26] <Matt|> might be a bug in the ubuntu build?
[10:26] <|trey|> topyli, I don't get a crash dialogue... it just does nothing  :(
[10:26] <theine> |trey|: Well there are no codecs in mplayer-586 at least...
[10:26] <|trey|> Matt|, it is, and its been reported...
[10:26] <Matt|> k kewl
[10:26] <topyli> |trey|: oh, i'm doing pretty good then =)
[10:27] <redhead381> can somebody answer some questions i have?
[10:27] <|trey|> theine, umm... they should be... dpkg -L mplayer-586
[10:27] <Matt|> redhead381, shoot
[10:27] <theine> |trey|: which I just did
[10:27] <|trey|> redhead381, not if you don't ask  ;)
[10:27] <redhead381> haha ok
[10:28] <redhead381> my friend was trying to install linux on my computer (i'm using windows right now b/c that's what came  on it)
[10:28] <Matt|> redhead381, k
[10:28] <redhead381> and he had it on a CD, so he put the CD inthe drive and rebooted the computer
[10:28] <redhead381> well the prompt thing came up and he pressed enter or whatever it is to start installing it
[10:28] <theine> |trey|: or are the filenames utterly different than those in w32codecs?
[10:28] <Matt|> redhead381, what flavour of linux?
[10:28] <redhead381> and the computer turned off and rebooted and took him right back to the same screen
[10:29] <theine> ..from...
[10:29] <redhead381> uhh... good question
[10:29] <redhead381> i know NOTHING
[10:29] <redhead381> is ubuntu one
[10:29] <redhead381> or warty
[10:29] <redhead381> those are words that he mentions
[10:29] <redhead381> *mentioned
[10:29] <Matt|> redhead381, yes ok you're in the right channel
[10:29] <Matt|> :)
[10:29] <redhead381> he's installed linux a lot before, and he said that he didnt' know what the problem was
[10:29] <|trey|> theine, hmm, actually, the packages are apparently different then when I first installed... Christian Marillat is apparently not the maintainer... used to be someone else...
[10:29] <Matt|> sounds like you have a weird problem
[10:30] <redhead381> my friends computer did the same exact same thing
[10:30] <|trey|> theine, hmm, actually, the packages are apparently different then when I first installed... Christian Marillat is apparently the maintainer... used to be someone else...
[10:30] <Matt|> anyone heard of this bug?
[10:30] <redhead381> they're both pretty new, but they're not the same computer
[10:30] <Matt|> redhead381, ok maybe the cd is a bug
[10:30] <Matt|> *dud
[10:30] <redhead381> yea he reburned it
[10:30] <redhead381> and it still didn't work
[10:30] <Matt|> redhead381, did he download it a second time?
[10:30] <redhead381> yep
[10:30] <redhead381> it took like an hour or something
[10:30] <ogra> redhead381: it depends on the burning speed
[10:30] <redhead381> then he burned it
[10:30] <Matt|> redhead381, did he check the cd?
[10:30] <redhead381> and the new CD still wouldn't work
[10:30] <redhead381> really?
[10:30] <ogra> yep
[10:30] <bagpuss> Matt|: I've seen it happen w2ith top of the line hardware that Linux doesn't support (yet).
[10:31] <ogra> the slower the better
[10:31] <redhead381> he tried it and it didn't work if that's what you mean
[10:31] <Matt|> bagpuss, reboot when trying to load the kernel?
[10:31] <|trey|> theine, the packages I installed first had the codecs... would explain things not playing currently  :(
[10:31] <bagpuss> Matt|: yep
[10:31] <Matt|> bagpuss, aww sucks
[10:31] <Matt|> bagpuss, someone isn't giving them enough computers
[10:31] <Matt|> >_>
[10:31] <redhead381> what does all of that mean?
[10:31] <bagpuss> Matt|: I've also seen it happen with bad RAM...although that's more likely to cause weird segfaulting
[10:31] <redhead381> is there any hope because i really wanted linux
[10:31] <|trey|> theine, was an upgrade like a few days ago... looks like that changed the package maintainer, blah  :(
[10:31] <Matt|> redhead381, perhaps he could try burning the cd a bit slower
[10:32] <redhead381> ok
[10:32] <Matt|> redhead381, what computer have you got exactly?
[10:32] <redhead381> its a compaq
[10:32] <ogra> redhead381: if you burn the iso file to cd, make sure its not burning faster then 4X
[10:32] <redhead381> and my friend has a HP and it did the same exact thing
[10:32] <fords> speaking of burning,
[10:32] <redhead381> i just bought it recently
[10:32] <redhead381> about 3 or 4 months ago
[10:32] <Matt|> redhead381, compaq what?
[10:32] <bagpuss> redhead381: what CD was this exactly?
[10:32] <redhead381> presario?
[10:32] <Matt|> presario what?
[10:33] <redhead381> umm...there's numbers on the label
[10:33] <bagpuss> redhead381: and when you downloaded it, did you check the md5sum?
[10:33] <redhead381> sr1103wm
[10:33] <redhead381> if that's what you're looking for
[10:33] <theine> |trey|: so i guess i still have to add marillat to my repositories
[10:33] <fords> i have a simple question.  is the preferred approach to use ide-scsi, to use the cdrecord dev=ATAPI: protocol, or to use a device name?
[10:33] <redhead381> i didn't d/l it, my friend did, but i'll ask him
[10:33] <Matt|> redhead381, should be a sticker on the front left, for example, mine is 2104EA
[10:33] <Matt|> redhead381, sorry front right
[10:33] <Matt|> redhead381, next to "designed for windows XP"
[10:33] <redhead381> there's no sticker
[10:33] <Matt|> k
[10:34] <redhead381> but by the power button it says "compaq presario" and under that it says SR1103Wm
[10:34] <redhead381> *M
[10:34] <|trey|> theine, unfortunatly, it would appear so  :(
[10:35] <redhead381> but my friends computer is doing it too, so it can't just be mine.  hers is even newer than mine though, so if new computers are the problem, then that could very well be it
[10:35] <theine> |trey|: that's a sj
[10:35] <theine> |trey|: ...shame
[10:35] <Matt|> redhead381, need another number
[10:35] <redhead381> ok
[10:35] <ogra> redhead381: its the CD
[10:35] <Matt|> redhead381, how about right above the keyboard
[10:35] <redhead381> all it says is compaq
[10:35] <Matt|> redhead381, listen to ogra though about the cd
[10:36] <redhead381> i dont have a laptop, its a PC
[10:36] <Matt|> redhead381, oh i c
[10:36] <redhead381> ok
[10:36] <redhead381> i'll tell him to burn it slower
[10:36] <bagpuss> redhead381: download the CD again, and check it with md5sum...make sure that you have the righht md5sum
[10:36] <ogra> redhead381: its unlikely tha it behaves in the same bad way on two different systems
[10:36] <Azeal> Matt|, SR1103WM is a valid number and I have a link to the specs
[10:37] <ogra> Azeal: show it
[10:37] <Matt|> Azeal, yeah i assumed it was a lappy and was looking at tuxmobile
[10:37] <Matt|> ogra, the slow burning is a known issue?
[10:37] <ogra> Matt|: yep
[10:37] <Matt|> ogra, 4x?
[10:37] <Matt|> sux
[10:38] <Azeal> ogra, I pasted it to you in private chat. Not sure about link posting rules in the channel.
[10:38] <Matt|> i guess i must have burned it at 4
[10:38] <ogra> Matt|: but seems safe.... you can test though
[10:38] <bagpuss> hehe, my first burner could only do 1x
[10:38] <bagpuss> 4x is fast :)
[10:38] <ogra> Azeal: you can .... if its not p0rn ;)
[10:38] <redhead381> what is a md5sum?
[10:38] <Matt|> ogra, i think i burnt mine at 24
[10:38] <Matt|> redhead381, it is a code which can check the cd is valid
[10:39] <redhead381> oh ok
[10:39] <Azeal> Link to SR1103WM spec: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3138968&cat=41937&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A41937%3A125225%3A164457
[10:39] <ogra> redhead381: its pretty common hardware....should work
[10:39] <redhead381> yep, bought it from wal-mart
[10:39] <bagpuss> redhead381: it's a secure hashing mechanism.  Basically it's a number that's very hard to forge.  If you generate an md5sum for the file and it matchesd the md5sum on the website, you know the file downloaded without errors
[10:39] <redhead381> ok
[10:39] <redhead381> i'm sure my friend will know what it is
[10:39] <Matt|> nice
[10:39] <redhead381> yep - i'm cheap
[10:40] <redhead381> college is expensive
[10:40] <GnuHippy> hey, is x.org up yet?
[10:40] <Matt|> GnuHippy, no
[10:40] <mdz> GnuHippy: /topic
[10:40] <GnuHippy> what will it be called when it is?
[10:40] <mdz> most of the packages will have the same names that they already do
[10:40] <Matt|> GnuHippy, apt-cache search xorg |grep xorg
[10:40] <bborkk> Has anyone had a problem with Rhythmbox complaining "There is no plugin installed to handle a MP3 file"?
[10:40] <Matt|> xserver-xorg i guess
[10:40] <Matt|> bborkk, yep
[10:41] <ogra> bborkk: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:41] <Matt|> ogra, your fast
[10:41] <ogra> Matt|: trained......
[10:41] <bagpuss> I'd still love to know thy the wiki is https
[10:41] <bborkk> Is this new to the latest release?  Didn't seem to have this problem before.
[10:41] <Matt|> fingers on the buzzers
[10:41] <bborkk> Thanks.
[10:41] <ogra> Matt|: and took a day off from MrBurns ;)
[10:41] <Matt|> bborkk, have a read of that link, and you can make it work very easily
[10:42] <Matt|> ogra, how is it going?
[10:42] <redhead381> so should i just tell my friend to check the CD with both the md5sum and and the burning speed?
[10:42] <ogra> Matt|: works...waiting for test reports *g*
[10:42] <ogra> redhead381: exactly
[10:42] <redhead381> ok
[10:42] <Matt|> ogra, send it over
[10:42] <bagpuss> redhead381: yep
[10:42] <redhead381> well hopefully that will work
[10:42] <ogra> http://www.grawert.net/software/mrburns/
[10:42] <redhead381> thank you guys SO MUCH
[10:43] <redhead381> if it doesn't work, i'll be back :)
[10:43] <ogra> go on ;)
[10:43] <Matt|> redhead381, keep coming back here
[10:43] <pedru> bborkk, everyone has this problem once in a while (copyright-issues)
[10:43] <Matt|> ogra, nice name
[10:43] <ogra> *g*
[10:43] <ogra> i'll call 1.0 the Monty release :)
[10:44] <toxicsludge> alright, my problem is that when i am pxeinstalling, somehow my client can resolve archive.ubuntu.org to a numeric value, but the client can never find the Release file
[10:45] <GnuHippy> http://users.eastlink.ca/~jasoni/screen.png Matt| check this out ;)
[10:45] <Matt|> GnuHippy, ok, although i don't normally trust hippies
[10:45] <pedru> toxicsludge, have you used the wiki installation steps for pxe?
[10:45] <GnuHippy> lol
[10:45] <GnuHippy> I have a monolithic x.org server fully working on ubuntu
[10:45] <Matt|> GnuHippy, what am i looking for?
[10:46] <pedru> toxicsludge, i can't help you, im just curious if it works that way
[10:46] <GnuHippy> look at the shadow
[10:46] <Matt|> oh
[10:46] <Matt|> k
[10:46] <Matt|> GnuHippy, the ubuntu packages will be a coupla days apparently
[10:46] <|trey|> GnuHippy, no one wants a monolithic xserver though... thats not the direction everyone wants to take  ;)
[10:47] <|trey|> daniels, just cuz it came up, how much longer do you forsee the new Xserver taking to get into hoary?
[10:47] <Matt|> |trey|, 2-3 days came up earlier
[10:47] <X0563511> whats the advantages of this new X server anyways?
[10:48] <Matt|> (in case he isn't around to answer)
[10:48] <|trey|> Matt|, ahh, ok... didn't see that, thought I would make sure  :)
[10:48] <GnuHippy> |trey| isnt the x.org server that is going to be included in Hoary in the coming days going to be monolithic?
[10:48] <Matt|> ogra, not to be a party pooper, but your ubuntu build of mrburns has a fatal flaw
[10:48] <|trey|> X0563511, moduler, means easier to maintain...
[10:48] <pedru> X0563511, they forked xfree because of a license change
[10:48] <Azeal> GnuHippy, the icons you are using, what are they called?
[10:48] <r|meLLo> Hello everyone, I have a question about Ubuntu. If I wanted to put Ubuntu on an old Pentium II Laptop, could someone tell me what files I need to download and which ones I need to burn as an image on a CD-R? I have the software to burn the file as an image, I just need guidance to the right files. Could anyone help me?
[10:48] <ogra> Matt|: tell me
[10:48] <GnuHippy> gartoon
[10:48] <Matt|> ogra, where's the goddam gnome menu entry???!
[10:49] <X0563511> does x.org support the nvidia kernel modules?
[10:49] <pedru> and now they modularize everything
[10:49] <Azeal> GnuHippy, ok thx
[10:49] <GoneBoB> r|meLLo: you need the warty install iso image
[10:49] <GoneBoB> then burn that to a CD
[10:49] <pedru> but most important: real transparency :-)
[10:49] <r|meLLo> which one?
[10:49] <ogra> Matt|: Multimedia ;)
[10:49] <|trey|> pedru, that was simply the last straw... they have wanted to do this for a while...
[10:49] <pedru> X0563511, yes
[10:49] <lemsx1> X0563511, x.org has better support for nvidia
[10:49] <GnuHippy> yes X0563511
[10:49] <X0563511> really....
[10:49] <GnuHippy> indeed
[10:49] <Matt|> ogra, not in mine
[10:49] <r|meLLo> On the Ubuntu downloads page, there are amd64 files and i386 files
[10:49] <GnuHippy> and everything is more responsive
[10:49] <X0563511> is there a way to get x.org on my warty system (that is possible for a semi-newb)?
[10:49] <r|meLLo> ..which one do I need to download for a Pentium II?
[10:49] <GnuHippy> i386
[10:50] <corbob> how do i make it so that my de is something other than gnome?
[10:50] <pedru> trey, yeah, the xserver development seemed pretty stuck
[10:50] <|trey|> pedru, umm... composite isn't stable yet... but yeah... the major deal is the modulerization, although right now, thats not important to users...
[10:50] <corbob> err for vnc...
[10:50] <GoneBoB> corbob: try using GNOME for a while
[10:50] <r|meLLo> What is the powerpc Ubuntu file for?
[10:50] <GnuHippy> lol
[10:50] <X0563511> is there a way to get x.org on my warty system (that is possible for a semi-newb)?
[10:50] <GoneBoB> corbob: ubuntu is designed using GNOME, and all the integration work has gone into GNOME
[10:50] <corbob> GoneBoB, that's what i'm using, but i don't want to use it for vnc
[10:50] <Matt|> X0563511, nope
[10:50] <GoneBoB> X0563511: yes, patience
[10:50] <GnuHippy> logout and choice another DE that you have installed in GDM
[10:50] <X0563511> uh
[10:50] <Matt|> *laughs*
[10:50] <pedru> thats why i do not understand the whole hype about it
[10:50] <ogra> Matt|: it should be there.... grmpf....probably after you restart the panel, depends on fam.....
[10:50] <|trey|> corbob, umm... gnome has a vnc client... and ubuntu includes a vnc server...
[10:50] <GoneBoB> corbob: what do you mean vnc?
[10:50] <X0563511> well, i g2g anyways
[10:50] <pedru> it doesnt really make a difference right now...
[10:51] <Matt|> ogra, erm i think fam has gone now
[10:51] <topyli> corbob: doesn't vnc use twm anyway as default?
[10:51] <subterrific> r|meLLo: hey
[10:51] <ogra> Matt|: ??
[10:51] <r|meLLo> Hey dude.
[10:51] <|trey|> GoneBoB, Virtual Nest Client... umm, virtual desktop...
[10:51] <ogra> Matt|: ahh, hoary
[10:51] <subterrific> r|meLLo: giving ubuntu a try?
[10:51] <r|meLLo> Yep.
[10:51] <ogra> Matt|: killall gnome-panel
[10:51] <|trey|> uhh, no, thats not what it means... but yeah, thats what it is...
[10:51] <GoneBoB> |trey|: I know what VNC is, and it's not that :P
[10:51] <r|meLLo> I don't know which file to download.
[10:51] <Matt|> ogra, rc  fam            2.7.0-5ubuntu2 File Alteration Monitor
[10:51] <Matt|> ogra, went today
[10:51] <GoneBoB> it's a remote access protocol
[10:51] <ogra> great !!
[10:52] <|trey|> Matt|, fam is dead  8)
[10:52] <subterrific> r|meLLo: cool, don't you play urt?
[10:52] <r|meLLo> I have the worty-release-install-i386 file. Is that the right one to burn to a CD?
[10:52] <Matt|> |trey|, i said that
[10:52] <r|meLLo> Yeah. I do.
[10:52] <GoneBoB> r|meLLo: yes
[10:52] <r|meLLo> Used to, really.
[10:52] <janga> Hi everyone. I experienced USB Problems with ubuntu (USB-Hdd hangs or dissapears). Knoppix works perfectly.Anyone knows why?
[10:52] <subterrific> r|meLLo: ok, thought your name looked familiar
[10:52] <Matt|> ogra, i will restart the panel later
[10:52] <GoneBoB> janga: that's odd, any kerenel errors in demesg
[10:52] <Matt|> ogra, anyhow i think it has detected my drive
[10:52] <GoneBoB> kernel
[10:52] <r|meLLo> Yeah. A few of my linux friends recommended this. Small world, ain't it?
[10:52] <subterrific> r|meLLo: you need the i386 iso
[10:52] <|trey|> ogra, I never really had a problem with it... but I haven't even noticed gamin, so that seems better  :)
[10:52] <Matt|> ogra, does it support cdrw ok?
[10:52] <r|meLLo> Is the i386 for Intel processors?
[10:53] <subterrific> r|meLLo: yup
[10:53] <Matt|> yus
[10:53] <ogra> Matt|: hrmm, no deleting yet
[10:53] <Matt|> ogra, ok i will expend a cd on it
[10:53] <zenwhen> r|meLLo, yes.
[10:53] <r|meLLo> Sweet. Is the amd64 file for 64s only or all AMD cpus?
[10:53] <Matt|> ogra, what formats?
[10:53] <ogra> Matt|: it supports dummy ;)
[10:53] <shaver> 64 only
[10:53] <GoneBoB> amd64bit only
[10:53] <Matt|> what is dummy?
[10:53] <ogra> Matt|: ogg & mp3
[10:53] <Matt|> ogra, kewl
[10:53] <r|meLLo> Is there an Ubuntu release for any other AMD processors?
[10:53] <Matt|> ogra, lovely interface :)
[10:53] <Matt|> ogra, is it gnome only?
[10:53] <ogra> Matt|: dummy write mode....switches off the laser...
[10:53] <subterrific> r|meLLo: i386 works on all amd and intel pcs
[10:54] <GoneBoB> r|meLLo: no, the i386 is for amd as well
[10:54] <zenwhen> Ubuntu is very very snappy on my 3.OGhz P4.
[10:54] <GnuHippy> http://users.eastlink.ca/~jasoni/screen.png  here is a better shot showing off x.org with composite effects
[10:54] <ogra> Matt|: yep, perl in fact
[10:54] <Matt|> zenwhen, i bet it is
[10:54] <r|meLLo> Ah, thanks. It would help if Ubuntu's page clarified that. Maybe I'm not looking close enough, though.
[10:54] <zenwhen> O hadnt thought that he meant intel only.
[10:54] <zenwhen> I*
[10:54] <ogra> Matt|: so no cpu binding, works on any arch ;)
[10:54] <Matt|> ok
[10:54] <Matt|> i'm gonna play tetrinet
[10:54] <GoneBoB> r|meLLo: it's assumed knowledge, i386 encompasses almost all PCs
[10:55] <Matt|> later
[10:55] <GoneBoB> it's the architecture
[10:55] <r|meLLo> Well, not to newbies. =] 
[10:55] <zenwhen> Yeah, it runs like butter. When you get above 3.0Ghz or AMD equiv. performance, gnome just flies. Is snappier than windows.
[10:55] <zenwhen> its*
[10:55] <Matt|> zenwhen, shut it
[10:55] <Azeal> GnuHippy, oh nice, good for making fancy screenshots, but are you actually using that feature or is it just annoying to have on?
[10:55] <r|meLLo> I thought the "i" signified Intel, as the AMD64 signified 64 and FX processors.
[10:55] <zenwhen> Matt|, ;-;
[10:55] <GoneBoB> r|meLLo: i is for intel, because that's the architecture
[10:55] <GoneBoB> amd implements intel architecture
[10:56] <r|meLLo> Ah, thanks.
[10:56] <GnuHippy> I use it but I sometimes get graphical errors with xcompmgr
[10:56] <noda> How stable is Hoary? Will it be able to boot and run OpenOffice for me? :)
[10:56] <Matt|> noda, yes...
[10:56] <zenwhen> http://zenhardwhere.com/images/ubun2.png
[10:56] <zenwhen> :D
[10:56] <GnuHippy> however in XFCE 4.2 beta2 no such errors
[10:56] <GnuHippy> with it's built in compositor
[10:56] <noda> Well then. Good enough for me :)
[10:56] <noda> "701 upgraded, 34 newly installed, 16 to remove and 1 not upgraded."
[10:56] <Matt|> noda, backup first
[10:57] <noda> Matt|: D'oh, thanks for reminding me :P. I suck ;)
[10:57] <zenwhen> xD
[10:57] <topyli> noda: yes, and you can play minesweeper with the scalable graphics!
[10:57] <noda> OOH!
[10:57] <jdub> noda: if you're comfortable running a debian sid system, and you know how to fix one when it breaks, hoary will be only slightly more challenging.
[10:57] <r|meLLo> What's the best program to burn an .iso file as an image with? I use a program called ISO Recorder for Windows, but it seems to burn very slow. Any ideas?
[10:58] <noda> r|meLLo: You can just right-click on it and click "burn", can't you?
[10:58] <zenwhen> r|meLLo,
[10:58] <gwildor_> r|meLLo, in windows? nero
[10:58] <zenwhen> damnit noda
[10:58] <r|meLLo> Yes, but it doesn't recognize by CD-RW drive, for some reason.
[10:58] <zenwhen> ;-;
[10:58] <r|meLLo> How quickly does Nero burn?
[10:58] <Matt|> jdub, this is my first week on a debian system, but hoary is easy as pie
[10:58] <GoneBoB> er
[10:58] <Matt|> jdub, very nice
[10:59] <GoneBoB> r|meLLo: as quickly as your drive can
[10:59] <gwildor_> r|meLLo, as fast as your burner will
[10:59] <zenwhen> Odd
[10:59] <jdub> Matt|: don't count on it.
[10:59] <r|meLLo> Sweet. Just Google for Nero and get the latest one?
[10:59] <GoneBoB> er
[10:59] <Matt|> jdub, you don't need to give exclusion clauses *laughs*
[10:59] <GoneBoB> nero is not free
[10:59] <gwildor_> r|meLLo, its gonna be a demo, but itll work
[10:59] <GoneBoB> your burner would have come bundled with software
[10:59] <Matt|> jdub, i'm not gonna sue anyone if it goes wrong
[11:00] <gwildor_> r|meLLo, yeah, didn't your burner come with nero 5...maybe 6
[11:00] <r|meLLo> Nooo.. this burner is old
[11:00] <r|meLLo> ..4+ years.
[11:00] <ogra> Matt|: you wouldnt be able ;)  GPL
[11:00] <GoneBoB> Matt|: good because you can't :)
[11:00] <r|meLLo> It came with B's Recorder Gold... which is shit. Pardon the French.
[11:00] <Matt|> exactly
[11:00] <GnuHippy> *cough* r|meLLo suprnova *cough*
[11:00] <GoneBoB> r|meLLo: all you need to do is burn one iso
[11:00] <|trey|> jdub, "hoary will be only slightly more challenging."... currently this doesn't seem true... I have had very few issues, none serious... xorg sounds like it will be fun though...
[11:00] <GoneBoB> how hard can it be
[11:01] <r|meLLo> Haha, no cracked software for me. I'm legit.
[11:01] <gwildor_> r|meLLo, if you are in windows, you can go to download.com   get something from there
[11:01] <GnuHippy> pfft
[11:01] <GnuHippy> it's windows
[11:01] <r|meLLo> =D
[11:01] <the_tux> hi all...i have a ati radeon 9600 pro graphic card and i would like to know could i play 3d games under ubuntu with the graphic card i have ? does ubuntu support that ...?
[11:01] <GoneBoB> btw, is libdvdcss being broken in multiverse known/cared?
[11:01] <|trey|> noda, on Ubuntu, rpm's aren't recommended  ;)
[11:01] <noda> the_tux: Search the wiki, it's there :)
[11:01] <GoneBoB> it depends on libdvdread2
[11:01] <GoneBoB> but libdvdread3 is in the repository
[11:01] <the_tux> noda what you mean with wiki
[11:01] <the_tux>  ?
[11:01] <ogra> the_tux: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:01] <GnuHippy> I noticed that too GoneBob
[11:01] <TelChaR> hi, i'm a new at linux, i'm trying an ubuntu livecd, but my wheelmouse doesn't move... any help?
[11:02] <Matt|> everyone in here is always "you can use hoary but it won't be supported"... as if you need to give some kind of exclusion clause
[11:02] <GoneBoB> a) is it fixed b) if I fix it can I upload a patch somewhere
[11:02] <r|meLLo> Will the Nero demo record at the fastest speed my burner allows?
[11:02] <noda> |trey|: RPM meaning "rotations per minute" :P
[11:02] <the_tux> ogra, thanks so much
[11:02] <gwildor_> gonebob, I re-installed yesterday and couldn't find it, err, couldn't install it
[11:02] <Matt|> (a) everyone in here helps me whenever I have an issue
[11:02] <GnuHippy> no but *cough* suprnova
[11:02] <|trey|> noda, ohhh... I'll be quiet now  ;)
[11:02] <r|meLLo> Hahaha.
[11:02] <Matt|> (b) warty isn't "supported" either
[11:02] <noda> |trey|: :P
[11:02] <GoneBoB> Matt|: yes, but warty shouldn't randomly break :)
[11:02] <noda> My upgrade + backup combination murders my hard drive :(
[11:02] <Matt|> GoneBoB, sure
[11:03] <jdub> |trey|: note "will be"
[11:03] <Matt|> GoneBoB, yeah that's true
[11:03] <topyli> warty works just fine. only evolution was a little bit broken here :)
[11:03] <|trey|> jdub, hmm... good point  :)
[11:03] <ogra> Matt|: warty isnt supported ??
[11:03] <gwildor_> noda, just hope that you remember what you did, my X broke, and I had to re-install, took my only about an hour to get everything back how I like it
[11:03] <|trey|> jdub, right now, other then Evolution issues, its been a joy though  :)
[11:04] <bigt> question: is there a way to get shell access from the install cd?
[11:04] <Matt|> ogra, I guess i was thinking of phone support / guaranteed email support etc
[11:04] <ogra> bigt: alt-f1
[11:04] <noda> gwildor_: Okay, I should be okay. I don't really have the time to break things nowadays though :(
[11:04] <noda> Oh well, it's FUN to break things!
[11:04] <Matt|> gtg
[11:04] <Matt|> noda, yep
[11:04] <Matt|> noda, file bugs
[11:04] <noda> Sure
[11:05] <noda> I've already got one filed :)
[11:05] <bigt> hit alt f1? that does nothing
[11:05] <noda> (my laptop crashes when I close the lid)
[11:05] <|trey|> jdub, hmm, I often get multiple "help" and "about ubunty" application menu items after upgrades... worth filing a bug about? restarting X always fixes...
[11:05] <ogra> bigt: are you already in the install process ?
[11:05] <|trey|> "about Ubuntu" *
[11:05] <bigt> i have already installed i'm trying like hell to get a bootloader installed
[11:06] <WW> Hello world.
[11:06] <bigt> so after reading the manual it said grub-install /dev/hda
[11:06] <|trey|> bigt, install-grub /dev/hda
[11:06] <ogra> WW
[11:06] <bigt> yeah
[11:06] <bigt> but i can't cause i have no shell
[11:06] <bigt> thats the whole thing sorry i'm a newbie
[11:06] <noda> Yay, epiphany-1.5.1 :)
[11:06] <noda> I don't even use that on my desktop ;)
[11:06] <|trey|> bigt, ahhh... on gnome-terminal or ctrl+alt+f1
[11:07] <GoneBoB> bigt: right click on the desktop, open terminal
[11:07] <bigt> i can't get into the linux box period thats my point :)
[11:07] <GoneBoB> noda: I have installed ubuntu on my desktop at home and at work and my fiances machine and my TV machine :)
[11:07] <WW> Hey, I was reading a thread in the forum about sources.list, and I learned that there is something called "warty-updates".
[11:07] <bigt> here is what happen i installed it was working fine i restarted the pc
[11:07] <WW> What is that?
[11:07] <bigt> now i get ntldr not found
[11:07] <noda> GoneBoB: Heh, you sound like quite a fan :)
[11:07] <bigt> so i'm assuming it has no bootloader
[11:08] <noda> Epiphany's beginning to rock it up. Hopefully it'll have Peter Harvey's auto-generated hierarchies by 1.6 :)
[11:08] <GoneBoB> noda: heh well I like it :)
[11:08] <noda> auto-generated bookmark hierarchies, that is
[11:08] <GoneBoB> ah libdvdcss is not there
[11:08] <GoneBoB> cool
[11:08] <bigt> so i put the cd in hoping to find a way to install grub
[11:08] <WW> Actually, I can _guess_ what warty-updates is, but I'd like to know a bit more about it.
[11:08] <|trey|> bigt, ahh.. there are issues loading windoze with grub
[11:09] <bigt> i don't want windows :)
[11:09] <topyli> bigt: you need to boot with something, chroot to your / partition, and then install grub. how? i have no idea :)
[11:09] <lemsx1> topoto, grub-install /dev/hda ?
[11:09] <|trey|> bigt, go to a terminal... and type grub-install /dev/hda ... once thats done, it will work...
[11:09] <bigt> trey again how
[11:09] <lemsx1> topyli, ^^
[11:09] <bigt> cause how can i get into the terminal if linux will not start?
[11:09] <lemsx1> topoto, sorry :-)
[11:09] <ogra> |trey|: he cant boot
[11:10] <|trey|> bigt, hit ctrl+alt+f1... log in, and sudo <that_command>
[11:10] <ogra> |trey|: he cant boot
[11:10] <bigt> ok ctrl alt f1? with the cd in?
[11:10] <|trey|> ogra, wtf... how is that detremintal to going to to a terminal?
[11:10] <topyli> bigt: boot with anything. ubuntu cd, knoppix, whatever linux you have. then chroot.
[11:10] <topoto> :)
[11:10] <|trey|> bigt, no need to have cd in...
[11:10] <bigt> ok i have the cd in
[11:10] <bigt> thats what i'm trying to figure out :)
[11:10] <bborkk> So I just tried installing totem-xine from Universe, but apt wanted to remove ubuntu-desktop, which scared me enough to stop.  Does that sound right to anyone?
[11:11] <WW> bborkk: That's normal.
[11:11] <bigt> ok i'm getting confused one says cd one says no cd :)
[11:11] <bborkk> WW: Why does it need to remove that package?
[11:11] <jrydberg_> what package should I install to get the files needed to build external modules (the ones under /lib/modiles/*/build or whatever it is.) to the Linux kernel ?
[11:11] <topyli> bigt: can you boot or can't you? you need to boot and install grub :)
[11:12] <ogra> bigt: go to the install process.....after the hardware is detected switch with alt-f1 to the console....mount your harddisk....
[11:12] <bigt> i can not boot, it was working the first time after the install completed but i never rebooted when i rebooted is when i get NO BOOT :)
[11:12] <WW> ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage that depends on a collection of packages that Ubuntu deems to be the standard desktop.  You are replacing one of the (totem-gstreamer) with totem-xine.
[11:12] <bigt> ok han gon let me try that
[11:12] <topyli> bigt: ok, ogra knows
[11:12] <|trey|> bigt, if you can't boot Ubuntu, you need a CD to get to where you can install grub... if you are in Ubuntu (what I assumed) no CD is needed... sorry for confusion...
[11:12] <topyli> i'm mounting /bed
[11:12] <will_> does anyone know a good PDF viewer?
[11:13] <WW> bborkk: Since you are removing a dependency of ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-desktop must also go.
[11:13] <|trey|> will_, gpdf
[11:13] <bigt> i'm not in ubuntu not yet it will noet boot me there but let me try his method
[11:13] <ogra> will_ xpdf ;)
[11:13] <bborkk> WW: Ah, okay.  In what ways is ubuntu-desktop used?
[11:13] <will_> xpdf is too slow on my pc!
[11:13] <will_> is gpdf faster?
[11:13] <GoneBoB> bborkk: in the way of being installed so thaat everything else is installed
[11:13] <ogra> bborkk: if you install it it pulls all standard desktop packages in
[11:13] <GoneBoB> bborkk: if you are without it, you are missing nothing
[11:13] <|trey|> bigt, ok... then you need a CD... and boot into Rescue mode... then when you get to a terminal, you can type what you were told  :)
[11:14] <bborkk> ogra: word.
[11:14] <|trey|> will_, xpdf sucks imo... I hate the interface... gpdf should feel faster, yes...
[11:14] <bborkk> Thanks.
[11:14] <WW> bborkk: It's a convenient of getting the "standard" desktop installed.
[11:14] <bigt> ok alt f1 is not doing anything for me
[11:14] <bborkk> WW: Yeah, that makes sense... thanks.
[11:14] <bigt> how you get into rescue mode?
[11:14] <ogra> |trey|: gpdf is buggy, no type1
[11:14] <|trey|> bigt, ignore that...
[11:15] <|trey|> ogra, afaik, type1 is obsolete...
[11:15] <ogra> |trey|: not in pdf ;)
[11:15] <bigt> i'm at the configure network thing right now on ubuntu i tried hitting f1 with no success
[11:15] <|trey|> ogra, *shrug* WORKSFORME
[11:15] <ogra> bigt: you are in the installer ?
[11:15] <will_> |trey|: thanks man!
[11:15] <bigt> yes
[11:15] <WW> bborkk: Just one caveat... If in April '05 you upgrade to hoary, you might want to put ubuntu-desktop back first.
[11:16] <ogra> bigt: at which stage ?
[11:16] <bigt> its at configure the network
[11:16] <bigt> asking for hostname
[11:16] <ogra> bigt: stop....
[11:16] <|trey|> bigt, no, you shouldn't have ever gotten that far... at the first prompt... hit f1 or whatever and choose "rescue mode" or whatever...
[11:16] <bborkk> WW: Why's that?
[11:16] <ogra> bigt: try ctrl-alt-f2
[11:16] <ogra> bigt: or alt-f2
[11:17] <bigt> just press altkey plus f2?
[11:17] <GoneBoB> oh woo
[11:17] <GoneBoB> firefox 1.0 released
[11:17] <bigt> ok that worked
[11:17] <ogra> great....
[11:17] <bigt> i'm at the shell now
[11:17] <|trey|> bigt, ok, now you should be able to grub-install /dev/hda... and reboot  :)
[11:17] <WW> bborkk: The set of packages that make up the ubuntu-desktop may change. Maybe something new will be added to it. If you don't have ubuntu-desktop, you might not get the new parts of the "standard" desktop.
[11:17] <ogra> do you know which partition your linux / is ?
[11:17] <bigt> ok thanks
[11:18] <bigt> is it install grub or grub install
[11:18] <bigt> i seen two versions typed to me on here
[11:18] <|trey|> ogra, he apparently got rid of Windows, so assume defaults  :)
[11:18] <bborkk> WW: Thanks.
[11:18] <bigt> yes i do
[11:18] <ogra> k
[11:18] <Witigonen> What's the command to install a .deb package?  (Sorry, I'm obviously very new to Debian)
[11:18] <|trey|> bigt, grub-install... I got confused with update-grub...
[11:18] <bigt> yeah i hosed the partition and all and went thru the setup
[11:18] <WW> bborkk: Just something to keep in mind.
[11:18] <bigt> ok
[11:18] <bigt> so grub-install /dev/hda
[11:18] <|trey|> Witigonen, dpkg -i blah
[11:18] <Witigonen> |trey|, thanks.
[11:18] <|trey|> bigt, yes  :)
[11:19] <|trey|> Witigonen, yw  :)
[11:19] <bborkk> WW: Seems my totem-xine install failed anyway.  :)
[11:19] <bigt> grub-install not found
[11:19] <ogra> Witigonen: dpkg -i  but see also: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticTutorial/
[11:19] <bigt> i'm in /bin/sh
[11:19] <lemsx1> |trey|, #ubuntu needs a bot to answer common questions like that one
[11:19] <|trey|> bigt, blah... ok... /sbin/grub-install /dev/hda ... it ought to be there  :(
[11:19] <WW> Witigonen: Since you said you are very new, I can't help but ask... what package are you installing?
[11:19] <|trey|> lemsx1, I have said that... but I don't know much about hosting a bot  :(
[11:19] <Witigonen> WW, I'm new to Debian, but not Linux.  I'm installing the Point2Play package from TransGaming.
[11:20] <bigt> not working
[11:20] <WW> bborkk: Bummer. What happened?
[11:20] <|trey|> bigt, ahh... mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt
[11:20] <lemsx1> |trey|, ah, ok... i've seen some nice ones before. i'll get to that later
[11:20] <WW> Witigonen: OK, just checking.
[11:20] <Witigonen> WW, thanks :)
[11:21] <bborkk> WW: What's the cut and paste channel used around here?
[11:21] <ogra> bborkk: #flood ?
[11:21] <|trey|> bigt, then '/mnt/sbin/grub-install /dev/hda'
[11:21] <WW> bborkk: pastebin.com
[11:21] <ogra> bborkk: in the topic ;)
[11:21] <|trey|> bigt, tell me what that says if it still doesn't work...
[11:21] <WW> bborkk: At least I see that in the topic.
[11:21] <bigt> says can't cd to /mnt
[11:21] <bigt> i typed cd /
[11:22] <bigt> then cd /mnt
[11:22] <|trey|> lemsx1, #debian-bots has a tutorial on using that database... apparently needs to be cleaned up a little for Ubuntu though...
[11:22] <bborkk> WW: Yeah, check out #flood.  Thanks, ogra.
[11:22] <bigt> mnt doesn't exist
[11:22] <bigt> i typed ls at root and its not there
[11:23] <|trey|> lemsx1, getting rid of the "fun" factoids would be a nice start for instance...
[11:23] <|trey|> lemsx1, I was thinking of somehow linking the wiki to the bot if thats possible also...
[11:23] <bborkk> WW, ogra: That was the result of sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[11:23] <will_> uh-oh no /mnt
[11:23] <lemsx1> |trey|, ah, i was talking about something simple that we can use to add things (strings) and get them quick (no need to think what was the command for ??? )
[11:24] <|trey|> bigt, 'ls /' is there anything that says /media etc?
[11:24] <|trey|> lemsx1, yeah, the blootbot #debian uses already has a nice start though, wasted effort is, well a waste...
[11:24] <WW> bborkk: Looks like I joined #flood after you pasted.
[11:25] <bigt> i see etc no media
[11:25] <bigt> hell i take it it got hosed somehow
[11:25] <bborkk> WW: right.  hang on a sec
[11:25] <bborkk> WW, ogra: okay, I repasted.  sorry about that.
[11:25] <|trey|> bigt, paste the result of 'ls /' in #flood for me
[11:25] <lemsx1> |trey|, waste? why?
[11:25] <|trey|> lemsx1, because, why do something thats already been done?
[11:25] <WW> bborkk: That's a known cosmetic bug.  Not a problem.
[11:25] <bigt> id have to type it one by one
[11:26] <ogra> bborkk: gtk errors....
[11:26] <|trey|> bigt, no, just copy and paste...
[11:26] <bigt> how can i cut and paste to you if i'm ont in linux dude?
[11:26] <bigt> the linux box is down :)
[11:26] <ogra> bborkk: WW is right
[11:27] <bborkk> WW, ogra: Huh.  Okay, thanks.
[11:27] <WW> bborkk: And if ogra says I'm right, then I'm right, because ogra is never wrong.
[11:27] <|trey|> bigt, here... type 'screen'... then ls / and ctrl+a esc hit space at the beginning and end, then type ctrl+a ]  here...
[11:27] <r|meLLo> Thanks for your help guys, Ubuntu is installing on the Laptop
[11:28] <bborkk> WW, ogra: Okay, this like that lieing princes problem.  Crap.
[11:28] <bigt> trey :) i know your trying to help and i'm not one to argue but repeat i'm on my windows laptop trying to get help on my linux box:)
[11:28] <bigt> so a paste from here would be pointless
[11:28] <icu> When I modprobe snd_atiixp on a toshiba a70 with a ATI Technologies Inc IXP150 AC'97 controller I get an error -13 in the dmesg output causing the sound not to function. Any ideas of the cause?
[11:28] <encryptio> bigt: hey
[11:29] <|trey|> bigt: there has to be something like /mnt or /media etc... you need somewhere to mount the fs...
[11:29] <bigt> hey encryptio
[11:29] <encryptio> trying to mount your drives?
[11:29] <bigt> dude here is what happen
[11:29] <bigt> i had it up and running last night right
[11:29] <|trey|> encryptio, he can't boot... he needs to run grub-install but can't...
[11:29] <bigt> so i rebooted
[11:30] <WW> Now, could someone clue me in about "warty-updates"?  I don't have that in my sources.list.  Should I?
[11:30] <lemsx1> |trey|, oh, true. the guy who did this bot i saw had nothing better to waste his time on
[11:30] <bigt> now its missing the bootloader so i'm trying like hell to install grub
[11:30] <|trey|> encryptio, so we are trying to boot from a cd and run it... but he needs to mount / to run it  :/
[11:30] <|trey|> encryptio, because apparently grub-install isn't on the disc...
[11:30] <lemsx1> |trey|, but the bot worked nicely ... i can't remember the distribution that he used it for... Maze? something magic... magic maze? oh well...
[11:31] <encryptio> mkdir /mnt/ubuntu;mount -t ext3 /mnt/ubuntu /dev/hde1
[11:31] <bigt> tey and others by the way thanks for the help
[11:31] <encryptio> if you're in recovery mode
[11:31] <bigt> i don't know what i'm in can we start over ;)
[11:31] <macTijn> can anyone point me to a *decent* console font in this distro ?
[11:31] <bigt> i hit alt-f2 with the install cd in
[11:31] <bigt> so i'm at a shell
[11:32] <encryptio> ok, try that line I said before
[11:32] <macTijn> s/console/terminal
[11:32] <encryptio> if you're root
[11:32] <bigt> i am root so i think i typed cd /
[11:32] <|trey|> encryptio, only thing... his / is /dev/hda1 ...
[11:32] <encryptio> hda.. it changed again
[11:33] <bigt> what do i need to do man restart the cd so we are on the same page or what?
[11:33] <|trey|> bigt, mkdir /ubuntu ; mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /ubuntu ; /ubuntu/sbin/grub-install /dev/hda
[11:33] <encryptio> yeah, that.
[11:34] <|trey|> bigt, when thats done, reboot, it should work fine...
[11:34] <bigt> mounting hda1 no sucks files or directors
[11:35] <encryptio> unmount it and try mounting hde
[11:35] <encryptio> hde1
[11:36] <|trey|> encryptio, you know his hardware? hda = primary master, hdb = primary slave, hdc = secondary master, hdd = secondary slave...
[11:36] <|trey|> encryptio, seems you are using RAID, but thats not applicable if he's not...
[11:37] <encryptio> i'm not. i'm on a ppc chip to be exact, i'm just (incorrectly) thinking that the linux cd hard drive map is the same as the installed
[11:37] <|trey|> encryptio, actually, RAID would be sga... so I have no idea where you are getting hde  :/
[11:37] <GoneBoB> hde?
[11:37] <GoneBoB> is it SATA?
[11:37] <GoneBoB> or do you have a boatload of ide connections?
[11:38] <encryptio> i don't know, it just turned out to be hde during the install
[11:38] <|trey|> GoneBoB, we are kinda blindly guessing where his / partition is cuz he's not being enlightening  :/
[11:38] <GoneBoB> |trey|: hooray!
[11:38] <|trey|> GoneBoB, ikr... annoying  :(
[11:38] <|trey|> GoneBoB, more people need to use defaults *nods*
[11:39] <|trey|> Or atleast KNOW where you put things  :/
[11:39] <GoneBoB> .t
[11:39] <GoneBoB> agh
[11:39] <|trey|> bigt, where did you put /  8)
[11:41] <encryptio> "where did you pit /"?
[11:41] <|trey|> bigt, when you figure out where your root partition is... substitute '/dev/hda1' with it, and type what I said
[11:41] <|trey|> encryptio, / = root
[11:41] <encryptio> i know that.
[11:42] <encryptio> you mean "which drive"
[11:42] <encryptio> ?
[11:42] <|trey|> No... I mean what partition...
[11:42] <encryptio> 1
[11:42] <encryptio> and 5=swap
[11:42] <|trey|> encryptio, are you guessing... or did you help him before?
[11:42] <encryptio> i walked him through installing it.
[11:43] <|trey|> bigt, type fdisk -l and enlighten us, please?
[11:43] <britt_> Hey guys question
[11:43] <GoneBoB> answer
[11:43] <|trey|> britt_, shoot  8)
[11:43] <britt_> How do I specify a custom resolution through Gnome
[11:44] <britt_> I have it taken care of through the X part
[11:44] <britt_> Gnome seems to need a tweak or two
[11:44] <encryptio> like font sizes?
[11:44] <britt_> screen resolutions
[11:44] <GoneBoB> britt_: computer->system configuration-> resolution
[11:44] <WW> (One more try...)  Could someone clue me in about "warty-updates"?  I don't have that in my sources.list.  Should I?
[11:44] <britt_> okay i tried that
[11:44] <|trey|> britt_, you can get rid of the HorizSync and VertSync in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, then use Computer >> System Configuration >> Screen Resolution
[11:45] <britt_> and my resolution (native) is 1280x854
[11:45] <ogra> WW: i have.....
[11:45] <encryptio> WW: my machine works fine, i think you just need main. it includes all the updates (if you update and upgrade)
[11:45] <ogra> WW: but noone answered my questions either.....
[11:45] <WW> ogra: You have.... clued me in?  Did I miss it back there somewhere?
[11:45] <|trey|> britt_, the config file will argue if you specify sync values...
[11:45] <bigt> hang ona  sec trey
[11:46] <britt_> it has the resolution in the XF86Config
[11:46] <britt_> I need Gnome to see that same resolution
[11:46] <|trey|> britt_, that doesn't matter... the Sync values are arguing...
[11:46] <britt_> is there any way to set that
[11:46] <|trey|> britt_, do what I said damnit.
[11:46] <encryptio> ...
[11:46] <ogra> |trey|: pleas
[11:46] <ogra> e
[11:46] <britt_> :(
[11:47] <|trey|> ogra, I tried being polite, she's telling me something that is irrelivant...
[11:47] <britt_> whoa i'm a HE
[11:47] <|trey|> britt_, sorry, but I am trying to help... please do what I said...
[11:47] <britt_> i'm sorry man
[11:47] <ogra> |trey|: imgaine he wants help and has no clue....so dont be harsh.....
[11:47] <britt_> I really dont have any clue
[11:48] <britt_> I know the values are arguing
[11:48] <|trey|> britt_, in the "Screen" section, remove the Sync values... then you should have more choices in the Resolution tool  :)
[11:48] <britt_> okay
[11:48] <britt_> let me try
[11:48] <|trey|> :)
[11:48] <|trey|> If it breaks something though, blame jdub, I am repeating something he told me  :)
[11:49] <jdub> no you're not
[11:49] <ogra> |trey|: for your system
[11:49] <|trey|> ogra, no...
[11:49] <|trey|> jdub, ? umm, I can find it in the logs if you like? it was a canonical person, I am sure of that...
[11:50] <ogra> |trey|: in my "Screen" section are  no Sync values :)
[11:50] <ljb> hi, i canceled the the installation phase while it was busy downloading packages after a reboot, how do i get it back? :)
[11:50] <|trey|> eh, Monitor then
[11:50] <ljb> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
[11:51] <Matt|> ljb, you need to update your installation maybe?
[11:51] <Matt|> ljb, everything is working?
[11:51] <cardador> ljb: apt-get -f install
[11:51] <ljb> matt: well, X isn't installed or configured :)
[11:51] <Matt|> ljb, oh ok what he said then
[11:51] <britt_> alright
[11:52] <|trey|> britt_, restart X, then you should have more values to choose...
[11:52] <britt_> so i see a screen section and there are modes and color depth values
[11:52] <britt_> so delete all of those
[11:52] <ljb> hmm, that didn't work. trying to install ubuntu-desktop package seems to do what the post-boot was doing.
[11:52] <jkka> feels like the default remote desktop connection bundled in ubuntu works very slowly even on lan
[11:52] <jkka> have you had any experiences about that?
[11:52] <ogra> britt_: STOP !!
[11:52] <Matt|> ljb, you were doing a network install or something?
[11:52] <britt_> gotcha
[11:52] <Matt|> *laughs*
[11:53] <britt_> lol
[11:53] <ogra> britt_: dont delete anything
[11:53] <|trey|> britt_, NO... in Monitor... sorry, my mistake
[11:53] <britt_> got ya
[11:53] <ljb> matt: of a sort, it was busy downloading some extra packages, though most of the packages were already in the cache from the cd
[11:53] <Matt|> ljb, maybe it was updating the packages. But X should work if that is so
[11:53] <britt_> and delete the sync values
[11:53] <magnon> jdub: hey, available?
[11:53] <britt_> and then when i restarts X
[11:54] <britt_> gnome will ask me for a resolution
[11:54] <ogra> britt_: save a backup of the file please
[11:54] <Matt|> ljb, you could try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:54] <britt_> I will
[11:54] <BigNastyKid909> does anyone know how to change the Trash can icon??
[11:54] <Matt|> BigNastyKid909, it changes with your icon theme if you have one
[11:54] <britt_> well I am trying to get this in my mind first
[11:54] <britt_> delete the sync values
[11:54] <britt_> right
[11:54] <BigNastyKid909> Matt| can i just change the icon without changing the theme??
[11:54] <jdub> magnon: yes
[11:55] <ogra> britt_: sounds a bit like burning your monitor....but .....
[11:55] <Matt|> BigNastyKid909, probably, i'm having a look...
[11:55] <britt_> okay please let me explain
[11:55] <britt_> I have a widescreen notebook
[11:55] <britt_> and X runs fine in 1024x768
[11:55] <britt_> but its not native resolution
[11:55] <ljb> matt: i'm just trying to ensure i'm not missing out any of the extra configuration that was going to happen. i was in the post-reboot phase, had answered most of the questions, it asked me whether i wwant to install from the net, so i said yes, it was busy downloading, when i canceled it, it dropped me into aptitude, i exited aptitude, and i ended up at the console mode login prompt without offering to retry the network installation bit.
[11:55] <ogra> britt_: ok, wont burn anything.....
[11:56] <ogra> britt_: the lcd will just go blank then
[11:56] <britt_> now I was wondering that if i delete sync values
[11:56] <britt_> can i specify a completely random resolution
[11:56] <ogra> britt_: i think the right way is to get the _right_ values....not to delete them
[11:57] <|trey|> britt_, it has to be a valid resolution... Screen Resolution will let you choose... thats safer...
[11:57] <britt_> so basically the native 1280x854
[11:57] <britt_> isnt possible to manually enter in
[11:57] <Matt|> ok BigNastyKid909 maybe i've found it
[11:57] <BigNastyKid909> k
[11:58] <|trey|> britt_, from what I understand... it should set default Sync values for the modes you set...
[11:58] <Matt|> gconf-editor --> apps --> nautilus --> desktop --> trash_icon_nme
[11:58] <Matt|> name
[11:58] <|trey|> (if you delete the Sync values)
[11:58] <britt_> okay
[11:58] <britt_> worst case
[11:58] <BigNastyKid909> Matt| ahhhh ok let me see
[11:58] <ogra> britt_: what model/brand is your laptop ?
[11:58] <britt_> vpr matrix 200A5
[11:58] <Matt|> BigNastyKid909, no sorry thats not it
[11:58] <BigNastyKid909> k
[11:58] <britt_> awesome with Ubuntu
[11:58] <Matt|> no idea
[11:59] <ogra> britt_: probably there are hints for your resolution: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops