hypa7i1britt_: what's the native resolution?  i'm running mine at 1280x800 if it would help you to have a look at my x conf12:01
|trey|ogra, removing the Sync values seems to automatically set defaults per "mode"... it works here...12:03
lmlDo anybody have some pointers to get ssh X forwarding to work with Ubuntu?12:03
ogra|trey|: tube or flatscreen ?12:03
ogralml: ssh -X12:03
lmlI using a FC2 machine to access an Ubuntu machine via ssh and cannot get ssh X forwarding to work.12:04
|trey|ogra, Flat... but not LCD  :/12:04
ogra|trey|: i wouldnt like to try it with a tube....12:04
ogra|trey|: could burn it12:04
|trey|ogra, if it doesn't like the resolution, sure...12:05
lmlogra: Thx - what is the reason I do not have to specify -X when doing this between FC2 macines?12:05
ogra|trey|: its not only the res.....its also the pixelclock ....12:05
ogralml: i dont know why you dont have to specify it on fedora, never used that.... ;)12:06
bob2lml: make sure you have xbase-clients installed on the server12:07
ogra|trey|: in ancient times you had to compute your modelines by hand....ive seen many monitors burn in my life :)12:07
ogra|trey|: made me carefull .....12:08
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ljblml: because fedora core probably enables X forwarding by default12:08
ljblml: see /etc/ssh/sshd_config12:08
genI need a bit of help12:09
lmlljb: Thx - just a bit confused that it is also something that can be set on the server side.12:09
ograljb: like this crap with yes/no on rm ?12:09
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lmlbob2: got it.12:10
ljblml: /etc/ssh/ssh_config will modify the default client settings so that you wouldn't need a -X12:10
genwhen i try to "sudo apt-get install libpng-dev" I get "You should explicitly select one to install. Package libpng-dev has no installation candidate12:10
genCan anyone help? Thanks.12:10
lmlEverything is working nicely now - thank you everyone.12:10
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ogragen: libpng12-dev12:11
ZugwrackOk I need a gentle push in the right direction here...I am somewhat familiar with Linux(MDK,Arch) not synaptic or dep packages...sooo12:12
genogra: Thanks, worked12:12
ograZugwrack: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticTutorial/12:12
ZugwrackI was looking to install streamripper..search did not find it...what about enabling universe?12:12
bob2hah, good guess ogra12:13
Zugwrackogra: Been there done that...12:13
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ograZugwrack: did you refresh ?12:13
bob2streamripper - download online streams into mp3 files12:13
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bob2it's in hoary's universe, at least12:14
ZugwrackYes...but it just says to delete all the options that don't have "deb"...well all the ones I have for Warty have deb in them..except universe is not checked12:14
macTijncan anyone explain to me why I can't select non-ttf fonts in gnome-terminal ?12:14
ograbob2: great tool.....use it with streamtuner12:14
bob2macTijn: "can't select" or "doesn't list"?12:14
bob2Zugwrack: enable universe12:14
macTijnbob: "doesn't list", sorry :)12:14
bob2macTijn: nano /etc/fonts/local.conf12:14
bob2enable bitmap fonts there12:14
macTijnok if I use vi ? :>12:14
bob2or maybe it's fonts.conf, I forget12:14
macTijnI see12:15
macTijnthanks :)12:15
ZugwrackAhhh..however next question...how safe is it to use universe? There was a warning about enabling it..12:16
ograZugwrack: its ok to use universe12:16
macTijnbob2: I guess I have to restart X for that stuff to work12:16
macTijnright ?12:16
macTijnbbl :)12:17
ogramacTijn: try: fc-cache12:17
Zugwrackogra: K thanks...12:17
macTijntoo late, restarted X already12:18
macTijnthis is great :)12:18
macTijnthanks :)12:18
ZugwrackNow on to the next question... I ran xsane but it says there isn't a scanner available...however a reply on the mailing list said they have a Canoscan LiDE 20 and it works fine...I have a 30...I am in the "scanners" group...can someone help me? I am running PPC version12:18
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ograZugwrack: that was me *g*12:19
bagpussanyone have any idea why mplayer would give hundreds of:12:19
bagpussALSA lib control.c:654:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL /dev/mixer 48%12:19
bagpussalsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: No such file or directory12:19
ograZugwrack: have you looked with groups ?12:19
ZugwrackYes...it shows "scanner" in the output12:20
ZugwrackMaybe just unplug and re-plug it in?12:20
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ograZugwrack: yep and immediately type: dmesg in a terminal after that12:20
Zugwrackogra: K...wait one12:21
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Zugwrackogra: Where to paste the output? I did a tail -f so as not to report back the whole thing..12:23
ZugwrackI see nothing about Canon or anything12:23
ZugwrackI know it worked when I was running MDK 10.1 PPC12:23
Zugwrackunder KDE12:23
diemanKamion: you around?12:23
ograZugwrack: did it scroll ? your tail -f ?12:23
Matt|does anyone know how to get bash-completion working with man pages, apt-get install package etc, etc12:24
Zugwracknope..as I recall it only reports the last 10 lines or so...12:24
diemanKamion: oh, n/m12:24
diemanKamion: i'm not looking in the right place12:24
ograZugwrack: another way.... open your device manager, see if its there12:24
Matt|Zugwrack, if you want more lines: tail -n 100 -f12:24
Zugwrackogra: K...let me search in Gnome to find it...sorry not a Gnome person yet...12:25
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ZugwrackMatt|: K thank you12:25
ograZugwrack: Computer->System Settings->Device Manager12:25
ZugwrackIt is there..with 3 USB devices listed below the main entry12:26
ZugwrackIt shows device unknown though on the right12:26
ZugwrackVendor and Device are unknown as well12:27
ograZugwrack: thats bad....12:27
Zugwrackogra: Under the advanced tab it shows the Canon and such12:28
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Matt|ogra, does the preferences menu in mrburns do anything? do i need files in there for it to work?12:28
ograMatt|: drag n drop mp3 or ogg files from nautilus12:28
Zugwrackusb.device_product shows the exact model # and such12:29
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Matt|ogra, preferences menu still does nothing: nothing opens12:29
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ograZugwrack: k, just plugged in mine....same here, so its ok12:29
Zugwrackogra: I have guests coming to dinner....you be around for a while later?12:29
Matt|ogra, neither the information option12:29
ograMatt|: no pref yet.....as i dont know what to put there,,,,,12:30
r|meLLoHey, fellas, during the install of Ubuntu, I told it to enable searching the internet for updates, and now my laptop is going thorugh a heck of a lot of files, setting them up. Is this normal for installation?12:30
Zugwracksind sie aus Deutschland?12:30
Matt|ogra, oh i c. You could put a "2 seconds between tracks" option12:30
GnuHippyyes r|meLL012:30
ograZugwrack: nope, its 00:29 in germany....tomorrow...12:30
Zugwrackr|meLLo: yes12:30
r|meLLoOkay, cool. Thanks.12:30
GnuHippyjust wait a while12:30
GnuHippyit'll be done12:30
ZugwrackOk..I just noticed on your mail it was in German12:30
Matt|r|meLLo, yup it is updating your packages12:30
ograMatt|: the window you look for comes if you click the cd12:30
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r|meLLoWell, the laptop isn't connected to the interne.t12:31
r|meLLoThat could be a problem, right?12:31
Matt|ogra, huh?12:31
ograMatt|: the second screenshot i assumed12:31
genOk, I have a "problem" on my end obviously with VLC and mplayer, both say "Couldn't open DVD device: dev/dvd" but there IS a dvd in there, log says the directory doesn't "exist", whats the deal?12:31
Zugwrackogra: Check you later d00d...thanks for the help..be back l8r12:31
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ograZug: have a nice one ;)12:32
Bliksemany way to change the icon size in gnomw?12:32
Matt|ogra, do i need a cd in the drive for the second cd to work?12:32
ograMatt|: the second CD ?12:32
Matt|ogra, that second cd button you speak of12:32
gencan you help ogra?12:32
Matt|gen, do "ls -l /dev/dvd12:33
ogragen: does totem say that too ?12:33
genls: /dev/dvd: No such file or directory12:33
Matt|gen, ok fine12:34
Matt|gen, what is your dvd drive called do you know?12:34
Matt|gen, something like hda, hdb, hdc, hdd12:34
gencdrom0 i believe12:34
ograMatt|: nope... you click on the CD in the first win after you added files to the win.....then you get the options ....12:34
r|meLLoTthe laptop isn't connected to the internet, and I think it's searching for the latest packages, but it's setting up things now. Is this okay?12:34
Matt|ogra, i didn't get many options12:34
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Matt|gen, ok you need to make a link from /dev/dvd12:34
ograMatt|: if you click the cd in the options win, the burning starts12:34
Matt|or put /dev/hdc in mplayer12:34
Matt|the first is a better option12:34
genmake a link?12:35
Matt|ogra, oh ok; i understood you to mean that the 2 second between tracks was in that window12:35
ograMatt|: will be deleted on reboot.....12:35
Matt|gen, yep12:35
ben_is there any way to get firefox to render crap faster?12:35
genas in..12:35
genmake a link where matt12:35
Matt|deleted on reboot?12:35
Matt|gen, hang on maybe i'm wrong12:35
ograMatt|: there is no such option.....12:35
Matt|ogra, /dev links are deleted on reboot?12:35
ograudev creates the devices on boot12:35
hypa7i1haha, that explains things12:36
Matt|gen, ok scrap that12:36
Matt|gen, just put /dev/hdc in mplayer12:36
Matt|that really sux12:36
ograso the second option was better12:36
genonly have a choice to open Matt|12:36
genand it auto opens12:36
genand gives me that error12:36
ograMatt|: you can configure udev12:36
Matt|gen, in mplayer preferences12:36
ben_how can i make configuring network interfaces go faster?12:36
ben_on boot up12:36
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Matt|gen, use the command gmplayer12:37
ograben_: buy gigabit12:37
geni see it12:37
Matt|gen, then right click and select preferences12:37
genk hold12:37
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Matt|ogra, so how do you configure udev?12:37
ograben_: and a fast DHCP server for your LAN12:37
ben_ogra: huh?12:37
genit works matt12:37
genthanks a lot12:37
Matt|ogra, i am used to adding links12:37
ben_ogra: is this software side or hardware side?12:37
ograMatt|: ls /etc/udev/12:38
ograMatt|: and have fun....breaking your system *g*12:38
Matt|ogra, actually that would have been a good time to say rtfm12:38
Matt|ogra, you don't trust me12:38
Matt|so back to mrburns12:38
Matt|perhaps in the preference you could put some options12:38
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ograMatt|: i do.... dont ask how often i broke mine whrn udev was new12:39
Matt|ogra, oh well fortunately /dev/cdrom exists ok in my case12:39
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Matt|ogra, you know what annoys me with this cd burning technique?12:39
ograMatt|: i will.... mrburns is just in early state12:39
Matt|ogra, dragging files from nautilus12:39
ograMatt|: why ?12:39
ograMatt|: do you use spatial nautilus ?12:40
Matt|ogra, is there anyway to prevent nautilus taking over the screen when i click and hold on files to drag them (i.e. the target window remains active)?12:40
ben_i tried the ipv6 stuff and firefox is still slow :(12:40
ograMatt|: nope, i dont thonk so.....12:40
Matt|ogra, there must be :(12:40
Matt|even windows does that12:40
Matt|what is spatial nautilus?12:41
ograMatt|: non browser mode12:41
Matt|ogra, i use browser12:41
Matt|can't stand all the windows12:41
ograMatt|: ahh, understand....12:41
ograMatt|: if you are used to spatial the burning mehod is just great.....but i will add a load dirctory option in the file menu12:42
Matt|ogra, oh that would be kewl. i'm gonna try and find out if this thing can be solved in nautilus12:42
Matt|is #gnome on this network the main gnome channel?12:42
ograMatt|: dunno12:43
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Matt|don't think so12:43
Matt|47 people12:43
Matt|hi lamont12:43
ljbmatt: irc.gnome.org12:44
ograMatt|: btw, see the mrburns website, there are the planned fetures listed12:44
Matt|thanks ljb12:44
Matt|know what channel ljb ?12:44
ljbno idea :)12:45
genhow do I install the java platform, it came as a .bin12:46
r|meLLoAllright, thanks guys. I'll be sure to come back and bug you later when I have questions about operating Ubuntu. :D Thanks for all your help.12:46
cardadorgen: sh file.bin12:46
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genthanks card12:47
cardadorgen: np :P12:47
zenwhen_I was just wondering why I was only getting 200FPS in Quake 3 at 1600x1200 with 4x AA and it was because I was compiling a kernel in the background.12:47
lifelessbob2: ping12:48
cardadorzenwhen_: i would do a rm * -rf :P12:48
ljbzenwhen: i'd like to have that problem12:48
gencardador: ok the folder is in the home dir, should it be moved?12:49
cardadorgen: not necessarly, you have to export the java path12:49
zenwhen_Linux sunball 2.6.10-rc1-mm3-barry1 #4 SMP Mon Nov 8 18:24:40 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux12:49
genexport to where12:49
genI feel like an idiot12:50
pedrugen use java-package to create a deb12:51
pedruit will take care of setting paths tooo12:51
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ogragen: from universe/multiverse12:53
geni see12:53
gendoing that now12:53
pedruyes, it is a tool that creates java.debs from the non-free sun bin files12:53
genI guess i did the hard way12:53
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pedruno, you did it the sun way...12:55
ben_ogra: what were you saying before about dcph or w/e it's called?12:55
ograben_: it was a joke.....12:56
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ograben_: i said gigabit ethernet and a fast DHCP server in your LAN will speed up the network configuration12:57
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ben_ogra: it never takes that long on windows though12:59
ben_it takes upwards of 2 min and it's really annoying12:59
genok I still can't get java correctly12:59
ben_what is it doing?12:59
ben_that was to ogra12:59
ograben_: i cant compare it, got no windows12:59
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hacked`i just installed amsn linux-i386 installer01:00
ben_i'm pretty sure that windows loads that crap later01:00
hacked`and its a .bin01:00
hacked`how do i install that guys?01:00
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ograamsn ?01:00
genwhats amsn01:01
schifomsn messenger client01:01
Matt|schifo, nice nick01:01
ograschifo: sh file.bin01:01
Matt|schifo, have you tried running the bin as a script01:01
schifosh you mean?01:01
Matt|schifo, or better, installing gaim ;p01:01
schifoi hate gain01:01
schifoogra, thanks01:01
ograschifo: why dont you like gaim ?01:02
ben_ogra: how long does network config take for you?01:02
ben_gaim is ugly01:02
schifoamsn-0.94-linux-installer.bin: amsn-0.94-linux-installer.bin: cannot execute binary file01:02
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ograben_: hmmm, doesnt convince me ;)01:02
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Zugwrackogra: Got it...seems after I unplugged it a second time...no worries ;-P01:03
ben_what's the command in xchat for the nick completer01:03
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ograZugwrack: great ;)01:03
ben_or how can i turn it on01:03
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Zugwrackogra: Which smp kernel should I choose for my G4 dual mirrored drive box?01:04
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ogra_dogwalkZugwrack: i have no ppc here....probably someone else.....01:04
ben_how do i get the nick completer to work in xchat?01:06
Zugwrackogra_dogwalk:K thanks01:06
Zugwrackanyone here running PPC with dual processors(G4)?01:06
ZugwrackAnyone got an iPod working in Ubuntu?01:07
ben_go to ipod lounge01:07
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ben_and search for linux01:07
Zugwrackben_: Ok thanks01:07
wishyben_: Tab, but I think you have to turn it on01:08
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ben_wishy: tab what?01:08
ben_i see01:08
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ben_lol, ken jennings is on01:09
ben_what's the path to the cpufreq drivers?01:09
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jdubben_: find /lib/modules | grep cpufreq01:12
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mjg59The processor modules are in /lib/modules/whatever/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq01:12
mjg59The governer modules are somewhere else01:13
nevynjdub: gksu and gksudo seem to be the same binary is there a way in gconf to force sudo behavior?01:13
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jdubi don't think they use gconf at all01:13
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Lowryhi all01:15
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PlaztkEyeshowdy all...01:15
PlaztkEyesi'm new to ubuntu, and trying to get the ati driver to install...01:16
PlaztkEyesi found some good stuff online, but when I alien the rpm from ATI, it spews out tons of errors.01:16
PlaztkEyesdon't everybody roll their eyes at once...01:18
hypa7i1PlaztkEyes: lemme find you the right tutorial :-)01:18
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hypa7i1that be the one :-)01:18
PlaztkEyeshypa7il:  spank you very much! :)01:18
hypa7i1erk, wtf is with my nick01:18
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LowryIs there an ati ppc driver option?01:19
hypa7iai don't think so Lowry01:19
hypa7iabut i may be wrong01:19
Matt|does anyone know a lot about metacity?01:20
Lowrynvidia ppc?01:20
genMatt|: I still can't get java installed01:20
PlaztkEyessudo apt-get install fglrx-driver01:20
hypa7iayup PlaztkEyes01:20
hypa7iait's in the reps :-)01:20
PlaztkEyeskicks back with an error...01:20
Matt|gen, you have followed the wiki?01:20
hypa7iaahh, you need to add restricted PlaztkEyes01:21
genno hold01:21
gendidnt know there was one on it01:21
Matt|yeah a whole one i think01:21
Matt|come on there is a metacity expert in here somewhere01:21
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Matt|jdub, you can't help me with this one can you?01:22
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nevyncan anyone suggest a memory light graphical MUA suitible for a new user.01:22
lamont_rMatt|, what's metacity doing to you?01:22
nevynthe gtk equiv to kmail would be perfect.01:22
Matt|lamont_r, nothing in particular, it's more what I want it to do01:23
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nevynthunderbird is a bit 800lb gorilla.01:23
PlaztkEyeshypa7ia: doing that now.  tx.01:23
lamont_rMatt|, then you're probably on your own...01:23
Matt|lamont_r, i want the following window focus: when dragging and dropping I would like the target window, if active, to remain active01:23
Matt|like in Windoze01:24
Matt|lamont_r, you know if this is possible?01:24
hypa7iano problemo PlaztkEyes01:24
lamont_rMatt|, I would love the same behaivor.  short of hacking over the source, I haven't found any way to change some of the focus options that I dislike though...01:24
lamont_r(opening a child window steals focus, for example...)01:24
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Matt|lamont, i've tried all the other focus options i can see in gconf-editor, but they are all even worse01:25
Matt|lamont_r i mean01:25
Matt|damn cloner01:25
lamont_rlamont is the house me, about 1200 miles away01:25
Matt|lamont_r, huge commute01:25
jdublamont_r: you using hoary atm?01:25
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Matt|where do ya live?01:25
lamont_rjdub: I'm using a warty live CD atm01:26
Matt|hi jdub01:26
lamont_rMatt|, live in co.us, currently in ca.us01:26
jdublamont_r: so the metacity in hoary has the beginnings of the focus stealing fixes01:26
LowryCan ppc linux boot from a 2nd or 3rd firewire drive partion?01:26
Matt|jdub, do you know whether metacity is capable of doing those things which I described?01:26
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lamont_rjdub: one of the cases that annoys me from metacity is considered to be a feature.01:27
Matt|lamont_r, i'm not good with US states01:27
lamont_rMatt|, sorry - live just east of the rockies (actually about 2 miles east of the edge of the foothills), currently left coast, near San Francisco01:27
Matt|omg wow01:27
Matt|what a place to live01:27
lamont_rMatt|, love it there01:28
Matt|i bet you do01:28
Matt|lucky you01:28
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Matt|on holiday atm?01:28
Matt|with your trusty warty live cd?01:28
lamont_rMatt|: working remotely this week01:28
schifoguys, i was wondering if anybody has a few minutes to help me recompile my kernel01:28
lamont_ralthough the drive was a bit delayed, etc.01:28
Matt|schifo, we can try01:28
jdublamont_r: which is that?01:29
Matt|lamont_r, just a change of scene?01:29
jdubMatt|: dunno01:29
lamont_rmy sister's cable modem is not happy with my computer - happy to talk to her windoze box though...01:29
schifoMatt, i already followed 2 guides, and it didnt work01:29
Matt|schifo, it's easy01:29
Matt|schifo, why are you doing it tho?01:29
schifoi boot up with that kernel, and it says kernel panick01:29
lamont_rjdub: when I create a new window (by running an app in an xterm), don't *(_^*(^%_(*^ take the *&%) focus, dammit.01:29
schifocause i need to patch my wireless card driver01:29
Matt|schifo, did you mkinitrd?01:29
schifomatt, never even heard of that01:29
Matt|schifo, no need to build a kernel to do that01:29
jdublamont_r: the focus stealing changes may help with that01:29
lamont_rjdub: which is to say, it's a use model thing..01:30
schifomatt, im just following: http://www.kismetwireless.net/HOWTO-26_Orinoco_Rfmon.txt01:30
lamont_rjdub: they help by trying to get it down to just stealing the focus in specifically that case, near as I can figure from chatting with seb12801:30
Matt|schifo, you can just recompile the module, if you need to01:30
Matt|schifo, if the wifi card doesn't work out of the box, report it to someone at ubuntu tho01:30
schifomatt, my wireless card does work in ubuntu, im using it now01:31
hypa7iaMatt|: his card works, just not monitor mode01:31
Matt|oh i c01:31
schifojust not in monitor mode01:31
Matt|recompiling the module not enough hypa7ia ?01:31
schifoi applied the patch, i just have to recompile kernel apparently01:31
hypa7iai don;t know Matt|, i'm lacking in clue when it comes to the kerne;01:31
Matt|lamont_r, jdub, opening an app from the terminal still loses focus from the terminal in hoary01:31
Matt|GnuHippy, damn hippy01:32
GnuHippywhat kind of a name is Matt| anyway?01:32
Matt|at least I'm not asking the same question every 20 minutes01:32
Matt|go hug some trees until xorg is out01:32
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Matt|get it offfff01:33
Matt|schifo, ok since you're nearly there, i'll help you with the kernel01:33
Matt|schifo, for future reference just recompile the individual module tho01:33
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Matt|schifo, "ls /boot/"01:33
schifothanks matt01:33
schifowhat am i looking for01:34
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Matt|PM me the whole thing01:34
Matt|schifo, any errors from that?01:36
schifodid it01:36
Matt|ls /boot01:36
Matt|look for the new file01:36
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Matt|now, you need to edit grub01:37
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Matt|"sudo nano -w /boot/grub/menu.lst01:38
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Matt|and make sure that you get the name of that file right01:38
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GnuHippyI have a question01:38
schifowhere do i insert it though01:38
bigbrother0074hey, i'm having trouble mounting my external hdd..... how might i make it automount from now on?01:39
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Matt|schifo, you need to make sure it looks like the entry from your default ubuntu kernel01:39
WitigonenIs thera GUI to partition hard drives for gnome?01:39
Matt|schifo, PM me the whole thing if in doubt01:39
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GnuHippybut it isnt for gnome01:39
hypa7iaWitigonen: you could run qtparted off a knoppix cd01:39
Witigonenhypa7ia, Yeah, I've got several boot options, I'm just kind of lazy and don't want to reboot :)  I'll do that sometime, then.01:40
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bigbrother0074hey, i'm having trouble mounting my external hdd..... how might i make it automount from now on?01:40
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Matt|Hippyadd to your fstab01:40
PlaztkEyeshypa7ai: no dice on the ATI driver yet...i installed the restricted modules via synaptic, and i even rebooted.01:40
Matt|Hippysudo gedit /etc/fstab01:40
hypa7iaPlaztkEyes: did you do all the configuration?01:41
hypa7iais it in /etc/modules?01:41
WitigonenPlaztkEyes, you might have to run fglrxconfig.  I did, at any rate.01:41
hypa7iai didn't01:41
bigbrother0074Matt|, what do i need to add?01:41
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Matt|bigbrother0074, depends on what you are trying to do01:42
Matt|Hippywhat ever the module name is of your externel hdd is01:42
Matt|oh it's the hippys fault01:42
Matt|go away01:42
Matt|HippyI am the real matt01:42
Matt|Hippyhe stole my name01:42
Matt|kill my nick then?01:42
PlaztkEyeshypa7ia:  no, it isn't in etc modules01:42
Matt|HippyIm a mod01:42
Matt|Hippyhe stole my password to01:42
Matt|Hippycus he is a 1337 haXx0r01:43
Witigonenhypa7ia, I've got an nForce2 chipset with my ATI card, they're known to never work together :)  Had to change the external apgart setting.01:43
ogra_dogwalkPlaztkEyes: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto01:43
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schifodone matt01:43
Matt|schifo, reboot and cross fingers01:43
Matt|Hippygood does it work?01:43
Matt|schifo, i'll stick around a few minutes01:44
schiforebooting now01:44
PlaztkEyesogra_dogwalk:  thanks, hypa7ia showed that to me earlier...01:44
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Matt|Gnu|hippy go back to your real name. It was a good one01:44
bigbrother0074Matt|Hippy, i think the module name is sda101:44
TheRealMatt|no I like this one01:44
TheRealMatt|thats not a module01:45
TheRealMatt|sda1 is a block device01:45
chibifshttps://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu Anyone disaprove of my addition here? <.<01:45
Matt|chibifs, hang on01:45
bigbrother0074oh...what would my module be then?01:45
TheRealMatt|persumably SATA of SCSI01:45
ogra_dogwalkTheRealMatt|: its a usb drive i guess handled by hotplug/pmount01:45
WitigonenOkay, I have four ten gig partitions in addition to a full very large /home partition.  They're linux native, so not formatted yet.  So, how can I format it to ext3 easily?  Somebody want to hold my hand through it?01:45
Matt|Witigonen, they are detected?01:45
ogra_dogwalkTheRealMatt|: no need for fstab.....01:45
bigbrother0074TheRealMatt|, yea, it's usb....01:46
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Matt|Witigonen, see if you can do it in disks-admin01:46
ogra_dogwalkbigbrother0074: look in Computer->Desktop Settings->Removable....01:46
Matt|disks-admin must have a purpose01:46
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bigbrother0074ogra_dogwalk, and then?01:47
ogra_dogwalkeverything checked ?01:47
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WitigonenMatt|, disks-admin?  Where is it?01:47
ogra_dogwalkexcept exec....01:47
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Matt|Witigonen, Computer --> sys --> disks01:47
Matt|or type "disks-admin" in terminal;01:47
bigbrother0074ogra_dogwalk, oh...yes it is....but i think it's a diff prob01:47
bigbrother0074ogra_dogwalk, it just worked when i turned it off/on...but it didn't work when i rebooted....01:48
WitigonenMatt|, don't have it.01:48
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schifosuccess matt01:48
ogra_dogwalkbigbrother0074: your disk should show up on the desktop01:48
schifogood job01:48
bigbrother0074ogra_dogwalk, yea, it does now01:48
Matt|Witigonen, oh damn01:48
schifoLinux jerkz #1 Mon Nov 8 00:46:03 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux01:48
Matt|Witigonen, command line it is then01:48
bigbrother0074ogra_dogwalk, i don't know why it didn't when i rebooted tho.....that's frustrating01:48
Matt|schifo, happy01:48
ogra_dogwalkbigbrother0074: if it doesnt just replug or run the Removable media dialog01:49
schifosure am, thanks a lot01:49
WitigonenMatt|, that's fine.01:49
Matt|schifo, is the card working?01:49
bigbrother0074ogra_dogwalk, ok, thnx for tha help01:49
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schifoyep, monitor is listed there01:49
Matt|schifo, gd01:49
ogra_dogwalkbigbrother0074: most of that is caused by fam....which will get dropped in hoary...so things willget better in april ;)01:49
GnuNotSoHippydamn I wish DMA worked on my drives01:50
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WitigonenGnuNotSoHippy, is the drive incapable of DMA or is it just on Ubuntu?  I had the same problem up until this morning.01:51
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GnotUnixyeah it is just ubuntu01:52
GnotUnixit worked in windows01:52
GnotUnixand other distros01:52
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WitigonenGnotUnix, you need to load the proper kernel drive before the ide-generic driver in /etc/modules.  If you have an nForce2 card, it's 'amd74xx'.  If not... you can probably find out with a few Google searches.01:52
Matt|nite all01:53
GnotUnixI tried looking on google01:53
GnotUnixnite buddy01:53
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GnotUnixit is a via vt800 pro01:53
GnotUnix kt800 pro01:53
WitigonenGnotUnix, I'm sure you can find the proper driver.  'via82cxxx' might be it, but, to be honest, I'm just saying that because it's the only other one I know besides the amd one :)01:54
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bloke2anybody want to answer a stupid question01:55
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tvonIs hoary vfs/nautilus/whatnot in some sort of package upload transition?01:57
bloke2I'm trying to install livdvdcss201:57
bloke2I get an error about needing libdvdread2, but I have libdvdread3 installed01:58
tvonfam -> gamin thing perhaps..01:58
huttancan anyone help me with isntalling ati drivers on ubuntu default kernel ?01:58
hypa7iahttp://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto huttan01:58
bloke2does this mean that someone has moved the files around at ftp.nerim.net?01:58
hypa7ialol, it was still in my pastebuffer from last time :-)01:58
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huttanhypa7ia, it doesnt work02:00
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hypa7iahuttan: did you reboot?02:01
huttanhypa7ia, yes02:01
huttanhypa7ia, still using mesa02:01
hypa7iahave a peek in your XFree86Config02:03
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hypa7iamake sure the values got changed correct5ly02:03
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Matt|ummm... after the hoary updates this afternoon, gnome takes much longer to load. Any ideas why this might be? is it because of the removal of the fam package?02:04
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scopecrpanyone here use a tdk dvd drive?02:06
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Matt|ummm... after the hoary updates this afternoon, gnome takes much longer to load. Any ideas why this might be? is it because of the removal of the fam package?02:07
Mojo_JojoHi, i'm having problems logging in, it says ""your session only lasted 10 seconds blah blah blah" then it loges me out WTF!!!! even failsafe doesnt work, the last thing I did was install k3b...02:07
ograhuttan: what says: lsmod|grep fglrx02:07
hypa7iaMojo_Jojo: k3b broke your gnome, sounds like02:07
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AlohaWolfMojo_Jojo, I usually have the prpblem when I have permissions problems02:08
Mojo_Jojoanyway to fix it?02:08
Mojo_Jojoas of today I nolonger like kde02:08
ograMojo_Jojo: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-05.2946111988/02:08
Matt|anyone help with hoary?02:08
huttanfglrx                 207876  002:09
hypa7iaMojo_Jojo: what's it giving you errors on?  any further clues?02:09
scopecrpanyone have any idea why the install cd cant detect my tdk dvd+/-r(w) drive?02:09
ograhuttan: looks good !!02:09
huttanogra, so how do i get it to work ?02:09
ograhuttan: sudo sed -i -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' /etc/X11/XF86Config-402:09
ograhuttan: or: sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and exchange ati with glrx02:10
Mojo_Jojoogra how does that link help when I cant even login???02:10
hypa7iaMojo_Jojo: k3bsetup may have borked your iceauth file02:10
ograMojo_Jojo: do it in single user.... hit escape on grub boot02:11
hypa7ialogin to console (ctrl alt f1)02:11
ograhypa7ia: even better ;)02:11
bagpussMojo_Jojo: ctrl-alt-F1, login, sudo su, vim /etc/X11/XF86Config-402:11
hypa7iaogra: what's single user?02:11
Mojo_Jojoalready restarted haha02:11
ograbag ?02:11
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ograhypa7ia: next time you reboot hit escape if grub says so....02:12
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ograhypa7ia: there is a failsafe mode02:12
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huttangonna try02:12
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Mojo_Jojook so now I just type in what it said in the link ogra gave me?02:13
ograMojo_Jojo: should help....02:14
hypa7iacool, thanks ogra02:14
Mojo_Jojook, now where is says "user" do I type in user or my username?02:14
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mdzscopecrp: are you using SATA?02:14
ograMojo_Jojo: $USER02:14
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ograMojo_Jojo: is the environment variable carrying your username......you can use it in scripts....etc02:15
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bagpusssscrew this...we need a warty installer with KDE and lilo by default02:17
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ograbagpuss: ???02:17
bagpussshould get done by 200702:17
heavyjust installed ubuntu, X doesn't come up.  What can I check?02:17
hypa7iabagpuss: it's called knoppix :-)02:17
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bagpussknoppix is not reallyu ideal for lots of other reasons02:18
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bagpussit's i386 specific for a start02:18
ograhypa7ia: i dont think even knoppix uses lilo nowadays02:18
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aka_daemonis ext3 fs able to handle 4.5 GB big files? (DVD Images)02:18
bagpussogra: ubuntu will use lilo if you tell it to02:18
bagpussjust not by default02:18
cef_workDoesn't anyone check links in their mail before they send them anymore?02:18
Matt|lilo is ok02:18
bagpussI want one that does by default02:18
HrdwrBoBI do02:18
ograbagpuss: so build yur own ubuntu....02:19
drakonimaka_daemon, yes ext3 is fine with a file that large... you cannot hardlink it or scp it to older hosts02:19
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bagpussogra: yeah, I'll add it to the TODO list...should be done before the next oce age (probably)02:19
Mojo_JojoARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG it's still doing it :(02:19
huttanogra, wont work02:19
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Mojo_Jojonow what do I do since I can't login?02:20
ograhuttan: post the "Device" section in a PM to me02:20
aka_daemondrakonim: I tried to copy an DVD image from a DVD to another PC in my network but it just copied 2. something GBs...02:20
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drakonimaka_daemon, thats what im talking about, files over 2gb (x1024) may not copy.02:21
hypa7iaMojo_Jojo: ctrl-alt-f102:21
hypa7iagets you a text console02:21
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ograMojo_Jojo: ctrl-alt-f1 to get to the console ctrl-alt-f7 to get back02:21
aka_daemondrakonim: ok... anything I can do about it?02:21
drakonimaka_daemon, use the split and cat commands02:21
Mojo_Jojook now what?02:21
bagpussnow login02:21
Mojo_Jojodone :D02:21
aka_daemonkk, thanks!02:22
ograMojo_Jojo: ls -al .X*02:22
drakonimsplit will cut up the file and cat will put them back together02:22
drakonimaka_daemon, NP02:22
ograMojo_Jojo: ls -al .ICE*02:22
ograMojo_Jojo: sory02:22
bagpussfix whatever's broke?02:22
aka_daemondrakonim, btw. I don't think winXP has cat?!02:22
cef_workHrdwrBoB: seems mako doesn't.. in the CD news thingy he put the url http://shipit.ubunutlinux.org/ .. doh!02:22
Mojo_Jojoogra no such file or directory02:22
drakonimaka_daemon, oh your copying to a windblows machine huh02:23
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Mojo_Jojook, it says it owned by root02:23
heavygdm doesn't give me anything at all, just a blank terminal on vt 7, what can I check to fix this?02:23
ograMojo_Jojo: chown $USER .ICE*02:23
Matt|ummm... after the hoary updates this afternoon, gnome takes much longer to load. Any ideas why this might be? is it because of the removal of the fam package?02:23
ograMojo_Jojo: chgrp $USER .ICE*02:23
Mojo_Jojooperation not permitted02:24
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Mojo_Jojohehe guess useing sudo would help haha02:24
ograMojo_Jojo: oh, sorry....02:24
ograMojo_Jojo: normally i mention it02:24
cef_workogra: you can use chown to do both. 'chown $USER:$USER .ICE*'02:24
ogracef: true....02:25
drakonimaka_daemon, i believe there is a flag you can feed copy to not overwrite02:25
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drakonimcopy /? and see if its there02:25
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aka_daemondrakonim: overwrite what??02:25
Mojo_JojoYAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thank you ogra :D02:25
cef_workjust remember to use a :, not . (the old syntax).. as . can of course be part of a username02:25
drakonimaka_daemon, sorry, i dont have a posessed PC nearby to look it up ;-D02:25
cef_workMojo_Jojo: I had that too.. nfi what caused it though02:25
drakonimaka_daemon, when you use cp to put things back to gether02:25
aka_daemonkk thanks.. I'll just have a try :)02:25
ograMojo_Jojo: what for did you install k3b ?02:26
cef_workno f... idea02:26
drakonimaka_daemon, either copy or move has something to put things back together I think02:26
Mojo_Jojoogra so I can burn my anime :D02:26
ograMojo_Jojo: VCD ?02:26
Mojo_Jojono avi02:26
Mojo_Jojoand other files too for school02:26
ograMojo_Jojo: nautilus does this too....02:26
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Mojo_Jojo...I didnt know haha02:27
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cef_workripping/burning audio seems to have issues for me.. I get garbage in the audio02:27
ograMojo_Jojo: in fact nautilus opens up a window if you drop in a empty cd, you just drop your files there and burn ;) nice to use02:28
Mojo_Jojo...I wondered why I kept getting a pop up ahhahahaha now I know :D02:28
cef_workogra: annoying if you drop in a rewritable though.. lacks a few things02:28
ograMojo_Jojo: click on the "File" menu to find the burn option then ;)02:29
Matt|ummm... after the hoary updates this afternoon, gnome takes much longer to load. Any ideas why this might be? is it because of the removal of the fam package?02:29
ogracef: there is missing al lot in nautilus cd burner....02:29
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drakonimMatt|, thats a logical guess... im updating to hoary out of curiosity right now.. appx 10 minutes of downloading remains02:29
ogracef_work: but it should automatically blank the RW before burning02:29
cef_workMatt|: could be, but that's just a guess from what you've said as I'm not using hoary myself02:29
drakonimMatt|, you should be able to reinstall famd anyway02:30
cef_workogra: audio is an issue for me02:30
Mojo_Jojook, problem #2 :P when I play UT when I change the resolution to 1024x768 my screen shakes and the graphics look like shit. and when I log out my desktop has the same problem till I restart X02:30
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ogracef_work: http://www.grawert.net/software/mrburns/02:30
cef_workogra: I burn and copy a lot of audio disks, and naut doesn't do that well02:30
ogracef_work: coaster is out, but has a long way to go.....(and no audio either)02:31
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Matt|draconian, ok lemme know02:31
unpersonAnyone out there know of a good GUI tool for managing wireless connections (ESSID, etc.)?02:32
Matt|cef_work, i don't really know what fam does, but i noticed it has been replace today so just a guess02:32
Matt|unperson, lemme know if you find one02:32
cef_workogra: seems ok,  but only creates audio disks.. copying could be an issue02:32
drakonimunperson, "computer:system configuration:networking02:32
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kandinskihi all02:32
ogracef_work: its less then a week old ;)02:33
Matt|cef_work, you can use grip and ograburn02:33
cef_workogra: ahh well.. hopefully by hoary it'll be better02:33
kandinskianyone Spanish here?02:33
ogracef_work: from the first line of code...02:33
Matt|kandinski, /cs list #ubuntu*02:33
GnotUnixhow do I fix broken packages02:33
GnotUnixOhh Matt| I thought you went to bed?02:34
unpersondrakonim, Can't double check right now, but I was fairly sure that capability wasn't in there.  Are you sure it is?02:34
kensaikandinski, what for spanish?02:34
kandinskithanks matt; I just got that list, did not recognise anyone. Anyone coming to Matar in Diecember?02:34
cef_workMatt|: k3b seems to do all this in one package, but hey.. we'll get there02:34
ograjndi: i come ;))02:34
drakonimunperson, yes, if you highlight the wifi card and click properties ((just looked again myself))02:34
kandinskiI meant anyone based in Spain, for RL meeting before Matar02:34
Matt|cef_work, *laughs*02:35
cef_worknot that I can get any cd audio burns on this machine to not come out soundling like crap at the moment.. as though its not reading the disk properly02:35
unpersondrakonim, (Eh, can't double check insofar as it isn't in their right now, unless it is only there when a wireless card is in.  I can't have that and my normal nic in simultaneously)02:35
Matt|GnotUnix, yeah i remembered an email02:35
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kandinskiI might go there a couple of days; I will be working in Barcelona that week02:35
drakonimunperson, thats correct... it will only give you wireless options if its a wireless card.02:35
cef_workand since i don't have a sound card in this machine.. *sigh* I have to copy them to a machine with a sound card to check the rip02:35
Matt|cef_work, i hear rhythmbox will do it. bit weird idea tho02:36
ogracef_work: is it the rip ?02:36
unpersondrakonim, Ah, ok.  Does it list all the ESSIDs present?02:36
ogracef_work: or the burned cd ?02:36
drakonimunperson, no, you type in the one you want to connect to02:36
cef_workogra: well without a sound card it's hard to tell.. *grin*02:36
unpersondrakonim, present == on networks currently being picked up02:36
unpersondrakonim, Ah ok.  Better than nothing but still leaves something to be desired, so I will keep looking around.  Thanks, though.02:37
ogracef_work: is it crashy all the time ? or just between the tracks ?02:37
genquick question: what can i type in terminal to get quick network stats02:37
cef_workogra: the machie is really a server class machine, so you'd think it'd be reliable.. *sigh*02:37
drakonimunperson, no prob.  I dont think what youre looking for exists quite yet02:37
Matt|draconian, where do i find these ESSIDs?02:37
AndyFitzsoda,  my spellchecker here is a combined en-au / en-uk  and curiosity is correct in both regards02:37
cef_workogra: every 4-5 secs there is garbage02:37
ogragen: ifconfig02:38
ogracef_work: hmm, got dma on on the reading deviace ?02:38
unpersondrakonim, Yeah.  There's a nice tool in KDE that's included with knoppix, but I don't recall the name.  Anyway, I guess if it's KDE specific it'd probably be a drag to run under Gnome.02:38
cef_workogra: I doubt it's a lack of cpu... dual opteron 246's with 2 gig ram02:38
drakonimunperson, probly a true statement :-D02:38
cef_workogra: not sure.. I'll check02:39
ogracef_work: dma.....02:39
drakonimunperson, not_so_gui but kismet can sniffem out (with a supported nic)02:39
ogracef_work: ahh....our conversation has a little lag :)02:39
drakonimMatt|, youd better get my attention by using my name lol...  youre wifi access point broadcasts your essid02:40
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Matt|drakonim, gosh sorry02:40
Matt|similar nicks02:40
bigtquestion: if i'm going to install an application for ubuntu do i use linux gtk linux motif linux amd64 or ppc?  I'm on a x86 box02:40
cef_workogra: that'd be it.. no dma set up.. grr.. you'd think that a sata controller would have set up dma automatically02:40
Matt|drakonim, i thought that you said that in the networks-admin dialogue you could see all broadcasting networks in the area, but I see now that I misunderstood02:40
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drakonimMatt|, I assumed he was looking for a way to specify his.02:41
Matt|drakonim, nah i think he wants one which finds em all ;p02:41
ogracef_work: nope...compatibility...02:41
drakonimMatt|, yeah.. thats a job for kismet :)02:41
unpersondrakonim, And you were right.  That was the minimum requirement.02:41
Matt|cef_work, do you think that I should wait on the slow gnome / hoary thing, or report a bug, or mail the list or what?02:41
bigtogra: thanks earlier for trying to help me out with my booting problem02:41
drakonimunperson, ah, well glad to have helped in some fashion then :-D02:41
ograbigt: what do you want to instal02:42
hypa7iabigt: linux gtk, prolly02:42
Matt|drakonim, is it console only?02:42
bigtwanting to install azureus02:42
Matt|drakonim, kde app? *winces*02:42
drakonimMatt|, kismet has a few UI's but its more for sniffing than just finding essid's02:42
unpersonMatt|:  Have you tried wifiradar?  I tried to get it working, but couldn't.  Then again I didn't try hard.  :-)02:42
bigtone thing i need to figure out also is why it doesn't show my other harddrives :(02:42
ograbigt: what is azureus ?02:42
bigti have two other harddrives that don't show up in the filesystem listing02:42
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bigttorrent software02:43
Matt|unperson, i will look it up02:43
encryptiobigt, check my message02:43
bigtwhere at on here or on the linux box?02:43
ograbigt: ahh, take the linux-gtk one....like hypa7ia said02:43
drakonimunperson, kwifimanager is probly the thing you had working before02:43
bigtok thanks all02:44
unpersondrakonim, YES!  That's it.02:44
cef_workogra: grr.. machine won't allow me to set DMA using hdparm.. argh!02:44
ogracef_work: sudo ?02:44
unpersondrakonim, So yeah, sound like a KDE QT app, darn.02:44
drakonimunperson, indeed it is02:44
genThis room has helped me so much, just wanted to thank you guys.02:44
cef_workogra: using the hdparm init stuff.. so used sudo02:44
ogracef_work: very bad....02:45
cef_workogra: yeah.. time to hit the bios and see if there is an override in there02:45
unpersonFor those interested, Wifi Radar:02:45
ogracef_work:  yup02:45
Matt|unperson, is not in apt02:45
unpersonMatt|  True, but it's just a python script anyway, I think.02:45
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unpersonMatt|, So I wouldn't sweat it too much.  The other annoyance is you have to have it setup to run with root privlidges.  And like I said, I couldn't get it working.  But I thought it might interest you.02:46
drakonimunperson, if its python, then theres a change it py-gtk and therefore a gui02:47
ograunperson: i saw a thread on wifi radar on one of the mailing lists02:47
cef_workogra: just forced it in the bios to UDMA5 (which the drive supports), so now we shall see02:47
Matt|ok real bed now02:47
ogracef_work: crossing my fingers02:47
ogragood idea02:47
Matt|ogra, 3 am?02:48
unpersondrakonim, Yes, it's supposed to have a GTK+ GUI.02:48
Matt|crazy guy02:48
ograhave to get up at 802:48
Matt|me too :(02:48
unpersonogra:  Ok, I'll see if I can't find it.  Thanks.02:48
ogranight all02:48
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drakonimOK lets see what hoary has to offer... rebooting.  be back in a momento!02:52
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hypa7ialol unperson02:55
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unpersonhi, MoonSweep02:56
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MoonSweepI have a really weird problem : i can't get grub booting windows, since I installed Ubuntu02:57
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MoonSweepit just doesn't start, i reinstalled from a master, and from the install CD : nothing to do, grub just prints "booting windows, makeactive, chainloader +1"... and that's it. Nothing happens.02:59
MoonSweepI told you it was weird :)02:59
MoonSweepbefore you ask... Windows booted normally, before I installed Ubuntu (Debian Sarge/sid)02:59
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MoonSweepany idea or clue ?03:00
drakonimlmao the spelling of colour has changed to color!!!03:00
unpersonNot I.03:00
drakonimamericanised the gnome packages eh?03:00
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bagpussI foiund a fix for the hal insert on cdrom fuckup03:00
LifesizeKenDollI have to tell everyone, I love Ubuntu03:00
eclipsedoes anyone in here know how to create linux cursors?03:01
drakonimgnome does take quite a bit longer to start... looks like it doesnt even try until after the statrup sound is complete03:01
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drakonimsounds like a missing case of the illusive & !03:01
eclipsedoes anyone in here know how to create linux cursors?03:01
LifesizeKenDolldon't flood, man03:01
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eclipseno one?03:02
LifesizeKenDollsorry, try Google03:02
eclipseu know how to how to do it?03:02
LifesizeKenDolllike look up `Linux XFree86 Cursors` or something to that regard03:02
LifesizeKenDollno, I don't03:03
drakonimturning off "sound on login" in gdm.conf and restarting gdm...03:03
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baphow changer the user and pass cant use cups on localhost:port03:03
unpersonLifesizeKenDoll, Dittos on the ubuntu love.  This distro is the shizzle.  :-)03:03
bapi have this problem..03:04
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bapcups is not asept the user and the pass03:04
bapfrom login in localhost:port03:04
LifesizeKenDollunperson, this is so great, It's like Windows minus suck03:04
LifesizeKenDollthat's one bad thing with cups03:05
LifesizeKenDollhere's what you do03:05
LifesizeKenDollsudo passwd03:05
LifesizeKenDolltype in a pass03:05
unpersonLifesizeKenDoll, Heh, indeed.  Or my old debian install minus redundant applications and plus decent default config.03:05
LifesizeKenDolldo cups stuff, log in as root:pass03:05
LifesizeKenDollthen get rid of the root password in /etc/passwd03:06
LifesizeKenDollturn it back to '*'03:06
LifesizeKenDollwhoops, /etc/shadow03:06
bapaplic this password03:06
bapbot.. no asept..03:07
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LifesizeKenDollbap, are you ok?03:08
unpersonbap, Out of curiousity, are you from south america?03:08
bapwhere are you from ?03:09
unpersonbap, Heh, I have some columbian friends, and reading your comments I could hear the accent in my head (S. American, not columbian specifically).03:09
unpersonbap, I'm from the USA.03:09
LifesizeKenDollI'm from Illinois, US03:10
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bapi have a frint this country.. LifesizeKenDoll03:10
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MoonSweepso, does anyone have a similar problem booting windows with grub ?03:12
LifesizeKenDollwhat's your prob?03:12
LifesizeKenDollbap, you could configure cups with Computer->System Configuration->Printing or `gnome-cups-manager`03:13
MoonSweeplemme paste.... :)03:13
LifesizeKenDollalright, man03:13
MoonSweep(02:57:42) MoonSweep: I have a really weird problem : i can't get grub booting windows, since I installed Ubuntu03:14
MoonSweep(02:59:02) MoonSweep: it just doesn't start, i reinstalled from a master, and from the install CD : nothing to do, grub just prints "booting windows, makeactive, chainloader +1"... and that's it. Nothing happens.03:14
MoonSweep(02:59:08) MoonSweep: I told you it was weird :)03:14
MoonSweep(02:59:48) MoonSweep: before you ask... Windows booted normally, before I installed Ubuntu (Debian Sarge/sid)03:14
bagpussMoonSweep: try lilo?03:14
MoonSweepwhy didn't I had this idea sooner ? :)03:15
bagpussI don'ty trust grub...not bec ause there's anything *wrong* with grub, but I've spent *years* getting good at making lilo do what I want it to03:15
LifesizeKenDollI trust grub03:15
LifesizeKenDollI know how to deal with it03:15
LifesizeKenDollI was a Gentoo Junkie03:15
MoonSweepi'm gonna try it... but i really prefer grub, and maybe i have spotten a bug or something03:15
LifesizeKenDollok, MoonSweep03:15
bagpussas long as lilo does what I want/need (and it's never not done that yet) I'll stick with it03:15
hypa7iaLifesizeKenDoll: http://www.eghetto.ca/~msviolet/Humour/gentoo.jpg03:16
LifesizeKenDollopen up /boot/grub/menu.lst03:16
unpersonLater all.03:16
LifesizeKenDollcopy-paste the windows part03:16
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LifesizeKenDollhypa7ia, I take Gentoo humor in kind spirits03:16
bagpussLifesizeKenDoll: excellent./..as long as I can stay in the last century with lilo :)03:17
Sep`i want to upgrade to hoary, i changed all my instances of 'warty' to 'hoary' and did a apt-get update03:17
Sep`do i do a apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade now ?03:17
LifesizeKenDollbagpuss, I say we have at least 2 centuries left in us03:17
LowryIs there an ubuntu newsgroup?03:17
MoonSweeptitle           Microsoft Windows 200003:17
MoonSweeproot            (hd0,0)03:17
MoonSweepchainloader     +103:17
LifesizeKenDollSep`, both03:17
Sep`which one first ?03:17
LifesizeKenDollSep`, dist-upgrade03:17
Sep`dist-upgrade first right ?03:17
Sep`just like in debian huh ?03:17
LifesizeKenDollMoonSweep, chainloader      (hd0,0)+103:18
LifesizeKenDollMoonSweep, rootnoverify instead of root03:18
LifesizeKenDollMoonSweep, put makeactive on the end03:18
MoonSweepafter chainloader ?03:18
LifesizeKenDollMoonSweep, yep03:18
MoonSweepit's the first time i see that... but i trust you ;)03:19
MoonSweepis that all ?03:19
MoonSweepmay I reboot and try ?03:19
LifesizeKenDollMoonSweep, knock yourself out03:19
MoonSweepwhat ?03:20
LifesizeKenDollMoonSweep, I admin about 6 boxes03:20
LifesizeKenDollMoonSweep, hope I'm right03:20
LifesizeKenDollMoonSweep, far as I can tell it seems ok03:20
MoonSweepI admin 3 debian for years ;)03:20
MoonSweepok I try03:20
LifesizeKenDollMoonSweep, if all else fails, pop in a Win2000 CD->Recovery Console->fixmbr03:21
bagpussor install lilo03:21
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LifesizeKenDolllilo'd be a safe bet03:21
bagpussat least I grok lilo :)03:21
MoonSweepok... by the way : i tried the automatic repair of the install CD, it didn't solve the problem... but maybe it doesn't launch this tool03:21
MoonSweepbrb ;)03:21
LifesizeKenDollI like grub cause I don't have to run `lilo` every time I change anything :-P03:22
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LifesizeKenDollso where you all live?03:22
bagpussLifesizeKenDoll: *shrug*.  Not like I change stuff often, and it's no big deal wo remember to type one command :)03:22
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bagpussLifesizeKenDoll: UK03:22
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LifesizeKenDollIllinois, US here03:23
bagpusshmm, hal *really* sucks :(03:24
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LifesizeKenDollbagpuss, how does it suck, I love it03:25
bagpussLifesizeKenDoll: mainbly because I spent all night trying to work out what the hell #2265 was doing.  I didn't realise it was #2265 for most of the time though03:26
bagpussit's fixed now03:26
bagpussI still think it's a sucky design03:27
LifesizeKenDollwhat's 2265?03:27
bagpussLifesizeKenDoll: it's the bvuzilla bug03:27
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huttanwhat can be wrong when you play a movie and no screen shows up, only soundd ?03:28
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LifesizeKenDollbagpuss, hrm, I didn't have the problem - must've missed it03:28
hypa7iahuttan: missing codecs03:29
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bagpussLifesizeKenDoll: someone earlier was helping me track it down...didn't fixc it, but gave me enough informatioin that I was able to find the right bug...which had the solutuion03:29
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bagpussdamn, I wish I could type03:29
LifesizeKenDollhuttan, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats03:29
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LifesizeKenDollbagpuss, typing is the new literacy, especially because I R T3h 1337><0r!!! OMGWTFBBQ!!!!!!!!!111eleven!03:30
LifesizeKenDollanyone know a good command to get the second line of a file?03:31
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Desolatehey there03:32
Desolatedoes anyone know how long the CDs take to arrive once you've ordered them?03:32
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GnotUnixDoes anybody know the kernel module for the Via KT800 Pro chipset?03:33
LifesizeKenDollI dunno, I ordered mine then got tired and found a blank after a few days03:33
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GnotUnixThe CDs should be shipping in a week or two03:36
GnotUnixbut who knows03:36
Desolateso basically I'd be better off finding a blank :p03:37
LifesizeKenDollit's worth it, man03:37
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GnotUnixit's only a blank03:37
LifesizeKenDollI stole one from my roommate03:37
LifesizeKenDollso everyone won in that case03:37
GnotUnixgood job03:37
LifesizeKenDollhe's a nerd, it doesn't matter03:37
GnotUnixnerds aren't people03:37
Zugwrackanyone running a dual processor PPC machine?03:38
LifesizeKenDolland I don't mean a good nerd that is smart but still has a social life03:38
LifesizeKenDollI mean the type that only leaves the room to play D&D with other nerds, other than that he plays games on his computer for hours on end03:38
GnotUnixPeople actually play DnD IRL???03:39
Desolatemmh, well it's not only finding a blank cd, it's also downloading the iso :p03:39
LifesizeKenDollyea, he's a major lame-o03:39
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LifesizeKenDollthe only other way to get him out is to have a girl over03:39
Desolateah well, guess it'll be an overnighter03:39
LifesizeKenDolltoo bad03:39
LifesizeKenDollI like having a T303:39
GnotUnixhe is afraid of girls?03:39
LifesizeKenDollno, just indifferent03:39
LifesizeKenDollhe could be gay, I don't really know03:40
DesolateI wish I had a 100mbit line :(03:40
LifesizeKenDollhe hasn't expressed interest03:40
Desolateone day I'll move to sweden03:40
GnotUnixI wish I had OC4803:40
GnotUnix5Mb/s isn't enough03:40
LifesizeKenDollI get 600kb/s consistently03:41
GnotUnixthats about what I get03:41
LifesizeKenDollit's part of my school's package03:41
hypa7iai got 8mb/s between u of t and york u a few weeks ago03:41
hypa7iayay debian mirror :-)03:41
LifesizeKenDollMegabit or Megabyte?03:41
GnotUnixit still would take me almost 3 hours to get the Fedora Core 3 DVD03:41
LifesizeKenDollI used to use Fedora03:42
LifesizeKenDollI don't like yum03:42
LifesizeKenDollpissed me off to the extreme03:42
GnotUnixniether did I03:42
GnotUnixbut I can't get DMA working on this03:42
GnotUnixit is peeving me03:42
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beni can't get my printer to work at all03:42
benit's on a windows xp machine03:42
benon a wireless network03:42
LifesizeKenDollben, *tear*03:42
GnotUnixI tried yoper and that is horrible03:42
LifesizeKenDollben, SMB share?03:42
LifesizeKenDollGnotUnix, I was gonna try Yoper03:43
GnotUnixMepis too03:43
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GnotUnixdon't waste your time03:43
LifesizeKenDollI never cared for Mepis03:43
beni was trying to use cups because that's what someone said on the forums03:43
LifesizeKenDollit's not a philosophical thing03:43
LifesizeKenDollI just don't like the name03:43
LifesizeKenDollben, if it's connected to a windows machine, it's an SMB share03:43
Lathiatben: yep thats what you should be using03:43
Lathiatben: Tried using the printer setup tool?03:43
LifesizeKenDollben, Computer->System Configuration->Printers03:43
benyeah, but i'm not entirely sure what info i should be entering03:43
benwhat do i put for the URI?03:44
Lathiatsmb://machinename/prinername iirc03:44
LifesizeKenDollthat's right03:44
LifesizeKenDollNetwork Printer->Windows Printer03:44
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BigNastyKid909how bout' an I.P. printer??03:44
LifesizeKenDollit gives you 4 boxes then03:44
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benyeah if you select windows printer from the thingy, it gives u a gazillion boxes03:45
LifesizeKenDollspecifically 403:45
LifesizeKenDolltype in host (IP)03:45
LifesizeKenDollprinter name03:45
LifesizeKenDollthen user/pass03:45
BigNastyKid909oh ok03:45
benwhat's the user pass?03:46
benthe user pass of an admin on the xp machine?03:46
BigNastyKid909LifesizeKenDoll: would that just be configured through cups if its an I.P. printer?03:46
LifesizeKenDollben, yes03:46
LifesizeKenDollBigNastyKid909, what do you mean by I.P.?03:46
GnotUnixwhere do I find chipset driver modules?03:46
nevyn_shouldn't need to be admin...03:46
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LifesizeKenDollGnotUnix, Google!03:47
MoonSweephi again03:47
BigNastyKid909LifesizeKenDoll: if the printer is using I.P. not a share03:47
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LifesizeKenDollBigNastyKid909, depends on the protocol, could be LPD or something like that03:47
BigNastyKid909LifesizeKenDoll: i try to install a network printer at work using the I.P. adress03:47
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MoonSweepLifesizeKenDoll: nothing helps, windows doesn't want to start... and fixmbr destroyed grub, I had to boot from a CD and reinstall it....03:48
LifesizeKenDollBigNastyKid909, it really depends on the protocol you go with03:48
LifesizeKenDollMoonSweep, but fixmbr did work, yes?03:48
MoonSweepI try lilo03:48
GnotUnixLifesizeKenDoll I tried googling "linux kt800 module" and have found nothing03:48
MoonSweepno !!! Windows still doesn't boot03:48
Eno-MasterHello, everyone.  Since printers seem to be the topic, then how about this problem.  I can print a test page, beautifully, however, I can't print anything from OpenOffice.03:48
benit worked!03:48
LifesizeKenDollben, of course03:48
LifesizeKenDollEno-Master, Print Settings03:49
benthanks a bundle ;)03:49
LifesizeKenDollEno-Master, tell me what it says03:49
LifesizeKenDollben, alright man, I admin things for a hobby03:49
BigNastyKid909LifesizeKenDoll: so do i just use the Unix LPD??03:49
Eno-MasterIn Ubuntu or OO??03:49
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LifesizeKenDollBigNastyKid909, No, you can use whatever protocol you set it up to be03:49
LifesizeKenDollBigNastyKid909, if you run Linux servers, that's CUPS03:49
LifesizeKenDollBigNastyKid909, Windows servers -> SMB03:50
LifesizeKenDollBigNastyKid909, although you can share a CUPS as an SMB if you want03:50
BigNastyKid909its a windows server03:50
LifesizeKenDollthat's SMB then03:50
BigNastyKid909ok..so just type in I.P. in host?03:50
LifesizeKenDollyou using Ubuntu?03:51
LifesizeKenDollyea, just choose Network->Windows Share03:51
LifesizeKenDollthen the IP into host03:51
LifesizeKenDolland soforth03:51
LowryHas anyone got http://www.maconlinux.com/ working?03:51
BigNastyKid909oh coo03:51
LifesizeKenDollLowry, you on PPC?03:51
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Eno-MasterCUPS:DeskJet-722C as default printer, which is what I have.03:52
LowryWould maconlinux.com support wireless cards?03:52
LowryYes G3 ppc03:52
LifesizeKenDollLowry, I'm not sure, I would assume it would be treated just as another eth device03:52
BigNastyKid909LifesizeKenDoll: for a shared printer do i still need to put in iirc at the end??03:53
jdubLowry: no, MOL has virtual devices based the host's hardware support03:53
LifesizeKenDollBigNastyKid909, no, iirc := if I recall correctly03:53
MoonSweepi try lilo03:53
Lowryso mol see what ubuntu can use03:53
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LifesizeKenDollI'm cold :'(03:55
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Eno-MasterIt is snowing here.03:55
LifesizeKenDollEno-Master, it'll snow here on Thursday03:56
Eno-MasterLSKD it has been said that we will get a lot this winter.03:57
LifesizeKenDollEno-Master, I thought global warming was supposed to make it warmer03:58
Eno-MasterSounds good to me, makes better wine!!03:58
LowryTrying to add a printer03:59
LifesizeKenDollthis is true03:59
LifesizeKenDollEno-Master, where you live?03:59
LowryI selected Laserwriter II g03:59
BigNastyKid909LifsizeKenDoll: if i put smb://ip adress under URI should do it right?04:00
Lowry"enter a command line appropriate for this device"?04:00
LifesizeKenDollusing `gnome-cups-manager`?04:00
BigNastyKid909yah in ubuntu04:00
Eno-MasterAny ideas about getting OO to print??04:00
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MoonSweephi (again)04:00
MoonSweeplilo doesn't start WIndows either... it's too weird04:01
LifesizeKenDollBigNastyKid909, just choose a Windows Share04:01
LifesizeKenDollBigNastyKid909, then it'll give you 4 text inputs04:01
LifesizeKenDollMoonSweep, Windows makes Baby Jesus cry04:01
MoonSweepit makes me cry, too04:01
BigNastyKid909heh LOL04:02
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LowryI am adding a printer with printer administration04:02
billytwowillyhmm. if I fuser -k /media/cdrom0 I get a message telling me to use umount /media/cdrom0. When I do that it tells me the device or resource is busy..04:02
billytwowillyhow do I fix this?04:02
LifesizeKenDollwhat are you trying to accomplish with fuser?04:04
LifesizeKenDollBigNastyKid909, Windows is bad in many respects, but it does have its high points04:04
LifesizeKenDollBigNastyKid909, like, um.... I'll think of one...04:04
BigNastyKid909LOL yah i know..i got tired of it..that's y i moved to linux04:05
LifesizeKenDollBigNastyKid909, I did cause my motherboard is broken and _cannot_ run Windows04:05
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LifesizeKenDollBigNastyKid909, everything's 10x slower than it should be on Windows, like selecting an icon on the desktop - I could see the pixels redrawing04:06
LifesizeKenDollBigNastyKid909, Linux is fine, though04:06
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robertjany advice on a gtk frontend for disk copying?04:07
LowryAny news on linux ppc binary 3d drivers?04:07
LifesizeKenDollrobertj, what do you mean, like copying straight files or dd?04:08
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LifesizeKenDollAntitrust refernce04:08
LifesizeKenDollLowry, Linux/PPC is too small for Video Card companies to care about04:09
LifesizeKenDollskullbocks, couldn't you have come up with an original name?04:09
LifesizeKenDollskullbocks, not to badger you or anything04:09
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Lowryso 2d only for ppc?04:09
LifesizeKenDollMoonSweep, :-)?04:10
MoonSweepyes ?04:10
LifesizeKenDollLowry, it's a sad time we live in - I'm actually not sure04:10
LifesizeKenDollMoonSweep, can you boot?04:10
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MoonSweepno, windows just doesn't boot04:10
LifesizeKenDollMoonSweep, too bad04:10
MoonSweepyes :-/04:10
skullbocksLifesizeKenDoll, not everybody knows antitrust04:12
LifesizeKenDollskullbocks, but I do :'(04:12
MoonSweepskullbocks: the movie ?04:12
LifesizeKenDollcool movie04:12
MoonSweepI liked it, too04:12
LifesizeKenDollah, Gary Winston, what will you think of next?04:12
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robertjLifesizekendoll: so no suggestions?04:14
LifesizeKenDollrobertj, sorry, man I dunno04:14
GnotUnixhow can I search for a file with specific name accross the root of my drive?04:14
LifesizeKenDollrobertj, I'd suggest qtparted, but that's qt04:15
MoonSweepGnotUnix: find / -iname "name"04:15
LifesizeKenDolllocate 'file'04:15
LifesizeKenDollyea, or that04:15
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MoonSweeplocate will be quicker, but its database is updated daily, so it can't locate new files04:15
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MoonSweepfind does04:16
MoonSweepby the way04:16
LowryHow do i get the uri of my network laserprinter?04:16
MoonSweepwhat if i want to create a channel "ubuntu-fr" ? is there something special to do or i just create the channel ?04:17
LifesizeKenDollLowry, what protocol, e.g. CUPS, SMB, LPD?04:17
LifesizeKenDollMoonSweep, I think just join it and you'll be op04:17
Lowryvia ethernet04:17
LifesizeKenDollMoonSweep, you french?04:17
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MoonSweepi know how to create a channel, thx :)04:17
gendamnit, what is sources.list in again04:17
LowryApple laser writer04:17
bagpussMoonSweep: just /join it.  Up to you if you want to register it with chanserv or not04:17
MoonSweepmy question was, is there something to do to make it official ? have it listed on ubuntu's website, etc etc04:18
LifesizeKenDollLowry, I forget, sorry :-[04:18
skullbocksdoes someone know to connect to a wireless network using eap-peap ?04:18
MoonSweepand... do I have to stay there 24/24 ? :)04:18
LifesizeKenDollMoonSweep, register it with Chanserv, then no04:18
genWhere is sources.list04:18
bagpussMoonSweep: be popular/useful probably.  See chanserv in terms of having it there even when you're not04:18
bagpussgen: /etc/apt04:19
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LowryI was looking in network tools - etho04:19
genthank you bag04:19
LifesizeKenDollI made a script that sets up Ubuntu stuff, e.g. DVD support, Codecs, Java, Video Card04:20
GnotUnixLifesizeKenDoll I have modprobed every via related module and I still can't enable DMA04:20
MoonSweepI think maybe that a "core team" of french ops should be found, before opening a channel, no ?04:20
GnotUnixI have a SATA hdd btw04:20
LifesizeKenDollGnotUnix, *tear* I dunno04:20
bagpussMoonSweep: I suspect you need to open the channel first. Op the french people who seem clueful04:21
LifesizeKenDollMoonSweep, maybe04:21
bagpussMoonSweep: or since this is freenode, don't have actual ops.  Many channels here don't04:21
LifesizeKenDollMoonSweep, and you also want to Op everyone who's like "OH GIMME OPS OH OH OH"04:21
GnotUnixDoes anybody know how to enable DMA on a SATA drive with a Via controller??????04:21
MoonSweepbut how can people know the channel, if it's not listed on ubuntu's website ?04:21
LifesizeKenDollGnotUnix, `disks-admin`?04:22
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LifesizeKenDollMoonSweep, you could contact the website if you so pleased04:22
bagpussGnotUnix: I think DMA is implicit in SATA04:22
LifesizeKenDollp00p, very intuitive name04:22
MoonSweepi'll see04:22
p00pLifesizeKenDoll, thanks :)04:22
p00pquick question...i am trying to add a printer that is shared from a windows 2000 machine via smb, and i don't quite understand the syntax... i am a little lost for what to put for host and printer04:23
LifesizeKenDollp00p, I'm sure it represents your character swimmingly04:23
p00pLifesizeKenDoll, thanks for being kind04:23
LifesizeKenDollp00p, host = ip, printer = name of printer04:23
LifesizeKenDollwhy is everyone confused about Printers?04:23
GnotUnixbut it isn't when I try to burn CDs my computer crawls04:23
bagpusscause they are cvonfusing04:23
GnotUnixhdparm shows it as disabled04:23
p00pLifesizeKenDoll, just the ip address, and just the printer share name?04:23
LifesizeKenDollp00p, yep, that and the user:pass as well04:24
p00pLifesizeKenDoll, so,, and "deskjet"04:24
MoonSweepis there any support for bootsplash on ubuntu ?04:24
LifesizeKenDollp00p, exactly04:24
p00pLifesizeKenDoll, thanks :)04:24
bagpussGnotUnix: I have a via sata controller and hdparm doesn't show anything one way opr the other04:24
LifesizeKenDollGnotUnix, really?04:24
bagpussI get bloody good transfers though04:24
LifesizeKenDollGnotUnix, delicious04:24
LifesizeKenDollGnotUnix, not getting anything for usplash04:25
GnotUnixsomebody said it had usplash04:25
GnotUnixI dunno04:25
p00pLifesizeKenDoll, i'm getting Printing: Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL04:25
GnotUnixmaybe it just supports it04:25
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LifesizeKenDollp00p, can you ping
MoonSweepwhat's usplash ?04:26
p00pLifesizeKenDoll, yes, and printer shows up from a windows box04:26
LifesizeKenDollp00p, you got the printer name and user:pass right?04:27
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LifesizeKenDollp00p, well, I really don't know, then04:27
LifesizeKenDollp00p, oh, check that it's shared and such04:27
LifesizeKenDollp00p, I bet it's server-side04:27
p00pdefinitely not04:27
p00pit seems the  client here loses my information sometimes04:27
p00pif i close out04:27
p00pand open it again04:28
p00pit has different values filled in04:28
p00plike stuff i have previously entered04:28
LifesizeKenDollp00p, hit apply?04:28
p00pi don't have an apply button..04:28
p00ptest page and close04:28
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p00pit changes deskjet to //kathy/deskjet04:29
p00pkathy is the server's name, but i don't know if it's filling it in via smb or just because i happened to try that once (i did)04:30
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p00pand it also drops the admin username out too04:30
p00pwell not admin04:30
p00pjust the printer username04:30
LifesizeKenDollp00p, hrm04:30
Temet_FC2can someone give me a little hand?04:30
LifesizeKenDollTemet_FC2, sure04:30
Temet_FC2thanx LifesizeKenDoll04:30
Temet_FC2i've juste installed ubuntu04:30
LifesizeKenDollp00p, try sudo gnome-cups-manager04:30
LifesizeKenDollTemet_FC2, I'm listening04:31
p00pLifesizeKenDoll, ok04:31
p00pLifesizeKenDoll, that's what i've been using04:31
Temet_FC2hand the "sudo" command ask me for a password i don't know LifesizeKenDoll04:31
p00pTemet_FC2, it's asking for your user password04:31
p00pnot the root password04:31
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LifesizeKenDollTemet_FC2, it's your pass04:31
Temet_FC2but i tried...04:31
LifesizeKenDollTemet_FC2, the one you log in with04:31
Temet_FC2beuh ?04:32
Temet_FC2oki, i'll try again04:32
LifesizeKenDollTemet_FC2, reset your password with `passwd`04:32
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Temet_FC2yeah but i can't run passmd LifesizeKenDoll , because I can't use sudo! ;)04:32
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LifesizeKenDollTemet_FC2, it's not a sudo thing04:33
LifesizeKenDollTemet_FC2, just passwd, w/o sudo04:33
Temet_FC2I'm still under me Fedora, I'm going to boot on ubuntu LifesizeKenDoll04:33
nevynLifesizeKenDoll: that requires your existing password04:33
Temet_FC2thanks a lot from France LifesizeKenDoll  ;)04:33
LifesizeKenDollnevyn, I knwo04:33
Mojo_JojoHey, I was wondering how safe it is to install the new nvidia drivers since I installed using synaptic when I installed ubuntu04:33
LifesizeKenDollTemet_FC2, ok04:33
LifesizeKenDollMojo_Jojo, what version?04:33
p00pLifesizeKenDoll, since you told me to use gnome-cups-manager, is there another printer installer i could try?04:34
Mojo_Jojoof the drivers I used?04:34
ninkendop00p: try foomatic-gui04:34
LifesizeKenDollp00p, or http://localhost:63104:34
LifesizeKenDollMojo_Jojo, yea, just the normal 6111, right?04:34
Mojo_Jojoyeah the 6111 driver are installed04:35
p00pLifesizeKenDoll, wow, is this secured?04:35
LifesizeKenDollMojo_Jojo, sudo nvidia-glx-config enable04:35
LifesizeKenDollp00p, yes04:35
LifesizeKenDollp00p, only from localhost, gotta log in04:35
p00pnormal user?04:35
LifesizeKenDollp00p, uh, not sure04:35
p00pnope not working :/04:35
LifesizeKenDollp00p, I've always logged in as root04:35
Mojo_JojoI did that I followed this http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto but I want to install the  1.0-6629 drivers04:36
p00pLifesizeKenDoll, hehe well there is no root password set04:36
LifesizeKenDollok, sudo passwd04:36
LifesizeKenDolldo the cups stuff04:36
LifesizeKenDollthen sudo nano /etc/shadow04:36
LifesizeKenDolland reset the root passwd04:36
LifesizeKenDollMojo_Jojo, oh, I'd let it be until it's part of apt04:36
Mojo_Jojook, how long does that usually take? and why wait?04:37
LifesizeKenDollMojo_Jojo, but it you really want to, use the .run or .bin whatever it is04:37
LifesizeKenDollMojo_Jojo, it might not be bug-free yet - might not work right04:37
Mojo_Jojoahh ok well I can wait...thanks :)04:37
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LifesizeKenDollMojo_Jojo, be happy that at least they release drivers. go nVidia!04:38
Mojo_Jojojust wondeirng if this imporves performance if I add this to my xf86config  Option "RenderAccel" "1"04:38
Mojo_Jojoyeah nvidia rocks too bad ati makes bad drivers04:38
LifesizeKenDollMojo_Jojo, it should04:38
LifesizeKenDollMojo_Jojo, that might be an X.org thing - I could be wrong04:39
Mojo_Jojook :) i'l try it then :D04:39
LifesizeKenDollMojo_Jojo, try it out04:39
Mojo_Jojooh...i'll try anyways :D04:39
hypa7iaBOO!  skype is Qt :-(04:39
Mojo_Jojothis is correct04:39
Mojo_JojoSection "Device"04:39
Mojo_Jojo        Identifier      "NVIDIA Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] "04:39
Mojo_Jojo        Driver          "nvidia"04:39
Mojo_Jojo         Option "RenderAccel" "1"04:39
Mojo_Jojo        BusID           "PCI:3:0:0"04:39
LifesizeKenDollQt => :'(04:40
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BigNastyKid909LifesizeKenDoll: u know how to configure giFToxic??04:40
hypa7iai might just run the version that has qt compiled in04:40
BigNastyKid909trying to run it..but saying its not set up04:41
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LifesizeKenDollBigNastyKid909, sorry, I tried a few months ago - didn't get it to work04:41
LifesizeKenDollBigNastyKid909, so I dunno04:41
p00pninkendo, how do i format an smb printer as a uri for foomatic-gui?04:41
BigNastyKid909oh ok04:41
BigNastyKid909thnx though04:41
PlaztkEyeswassamatter, hypa7ia?04:41
hypa7iaPlaztkEyes: Skype requires Qt.  i am teh sad.04:42
PlaztkEyesi feel for you04:42
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MoonSweepwhat's wrong about qt ?04:42
PlaztkEyeshey now...no one died or anything...04:43
hypa7iawell, i wanted to run a gnome-only system04:43
hypa7iafair enough :-/04:43
ninkendop00p: smb://hostname/path/to/printer04:43
MoonSweepwhy don't use gnomemeeting instead of skype ?04:43
LifesizeKenDollMoonSweep, I don't like the licensing04:43
PlaztkEyesand i want my ati card to work...but alas and alack, it ain't happenin...04:43
hypa7ialol turns out i already have qt installed04:43
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LifesizeKenDollah, it's a _girl_04:44
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LifesizeKenDollrofl kartoffle04:44
p00pninkendo, is it normal for my printer to not exist after i am done adding it?04:44
hypa7iaMoonSweep: i want to use skype to call phones tho04:44
hypa7ialol at LifesizeKenDoll04:44
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ninkendop00p: no...04:45
ninkendotry surfing for it in nautilus04:45
p00pyeah heh it doesn't show up in nautilus04:45
attitudeI have a question about getting php and ssl working on ubuntu as a server04:45
p00pnautilus sees 1 share on that box04:45
LifesizeKenDollhypa7ia, what made you abandon your roots of shopping and join the dark side?04:45
attitudeI can not seem to get it to work04:45
ninkendois it shared on a windows machine?04:45
MoonSweepwell, having some QT apps isn't that bad... Gnome really lacks of a good CD writing app... What do you guys use to burn audio CD or bin/cue images ?04:45
attitudeany have any ideas04:45
PlaztkEyeshypa7ia:  i appreciate the help earlier, and i've been thorugh everything on the page you forwarded to me about the ati driver, but i'm still getting the "couldn't find package" error.04:45
p00pninkendo, yes... it shows up on another windows machine04:45
hypa7iaPlaztkEyes: where are you getting the error?04:46
PlaztkEyesMoonsweep:  I use abcde04:46
hypa7iaLifesizeKenDoll: my roots of shopping?  :-p04:46
MoonSweepPlaztkEyes: never heard of that04:46
LifesizeKenDollMoonSweep, don't burn audio CD's, `cdrecord` for burning04:46
PlaztkEyeswhen i try to apt-get install fglrx-driver04:46
LifesizeKenDollhypa7ia, girls like to shop - don't worry, I like to shop too04:46
ninkendop00p: check the windows machine, figure out what the printer share is named04:46
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LifesizeKenDolldespite knowing which colors match and such04:47
PlaztkEyesMoonsweep:  freshmeat.net, baby.04:47
LifesizeKenDollhypa7ia, how can you not like shopping, it's fun04:47
p00pninkendo, shared as "deskjet" just as i've been trying :-/04:47
hypa7iaugh.  stores.  money.  it's all so wrong.04:47
PlaztkEyesnow THAT'S funny.04:48
LifesizeKenDollhypa7ia, you're against money?04:48
p00pninkendo, maybe my syntax is incorrect.... smb:// -- correct?04:48
hypa7iathe only place i like to shop: www.canadacomputers.com04:48
hypa7iaLifesizeKenDoll: in many levels, yes04:48
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hypa7iaerr on04:48
LifesizeKenDollhypa7ia, lol, Canada04:48
LifesizeKenDollhypa7ia, I04:48
ninkendop00p: no, replace with the name of the windows machine04:48
LifesizeKenDollhypa7ia, I'm just messing with you, I'm Canadian04:48
ninkendothe smb (or netbios, or whatever) name04:48
p00pninkendo, will it be able to resolve it?04:48
LifesizeKenDollhypa7ia, I'm also very anti-capitalist and such04:48
hypa7ialol LifesizeKenDoll.  where from?04:49
PlaztkEyeshypa7ia:  looks like a Fry's.  We have Fry's in California.  It's Mecca to me04:49
LifesizeKenDollhypa7ia, oh, I live in Illinois now, but I'm originally from Saskatoon, Saskatchewan04:49
p00pninkendo, still doesn't show up in foomatic-gui... but i'll try the netbios name as host in nautilus04:49
hypa7iacoolcool LifesizeKenDoll, my roomie's partner is there now04:49
LifesizeKenDollhypa7ia, fun stuff04:50
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LifesizeKenDollhypa7ia, I know a _lot_ of people that threatened to move to Canada if Kerry lost04:50
hypa7iaPlaztkEyes: it's a local chain, only like 7 stores.  cheapest place in canada tho.  and i got all the techs to try linux :-)04:50
ninkendop00p: well, actually the two *should* be interchangeable04:50
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LifesizeKenDollhypa7ia, none of them seem to be holding up their commitment04:50
hypa7iaLifesizeKenDoll: http://www.marryanamerican.ca/04:50
hypa7iaone of my american friends has already asked me to marry him :-)04:50
Temetthanks LifesizeKenDoll , that's good now04:51
LifesizeKenDollhypa7ia, I have Canadian and New Zealand citizenship - no America yet04:51
LifesizeKenDollTemet, yay!04:51
PlaztkEyesLSKD: i read an article about the move to Canada thing.  there's at least a year long waiting list.04:51
LifesizeKenDollhypa7ia, that site is amazing04:51
LifesizeKenDollhypa7ia, how old are you?04:51
hypa7iaPlaztkEyes: depends on how much money you hace04:51
TemetI'll change my repository now LifesizeKenDoll ;)04:51
hypa7iaLifesizeKenDoll: i know, eh?04:51
LifesizeKenDollTemet, yay, repository!04:51
LifesizeKenDollTemet, how come04:52
Temetwhat ?04:52
LifesizeKenDollTemet, why you changing the repository?04:52
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p00pninkendo, nautilus is also not seeing 1 shared folder... it sees 1 out of 2 and not the printer04:52
Temeti want to add multiverse and universe LifesizeKenDoll ;)04:52
LifesizeKenDollTemet, ah, good choice04:52
MoonSweepwhat's the difference between univers and multiverse ?04:53
Temetdon't ask me04:53
ninkendop00p: try smb://pcname/print$04:53
PlaztkEyesi was hoping for an omniverse option...04:53
ninkendodoes that show up?04:53
MoonSweepomniverse ?04:53
nomasteryodamaybe hoary will have one...04:53
MoonSweepi'm lost :=04:53
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LifesizeKenDollMoonSweep, different stuff in multiverse04:53
Zugwrackanyone here running PPC?04:53
MoonSweepyes but what's the difference ?04:54
p00pninkendo, doesn't work in nautilus, and foomatic refuses to save ANYTHING i change04:54
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TemetLifesizeKenDoll, is "deb-src" repository usefull ?04:54
ninkendop00p: what's wrong with the gnome cups manager?04:54
LowryYes I have ppc04:54
ZugwrackMy sound volume is very low for system sounds even with it maxed out...when playing through xmms streamed music sound muted, and distorted...I checked prefs and changed xmms to use ALSA...04:54
ninkendoIMO that's much easier to use...04:54
LifesizeKenDollTemet, I've never used it04:54
p00pninkendo, oh nothing works that's all04:54
p00pi mean it's the same thing04:55
LifesizeKenDollTemet, leave it in anyway, though04:55
p00pit just saves what i put in.. most of the time04:55
ZugwrackLowry: Did you have this(these) problems?04:55
LifesizeKenDollTemet, I also have Java and a Win32 Codec Repository in my sources.list04:55
LowryI have the same problem04:55
MoonSweepZugwrack: did you maxed the different mixers (PCM, CD...) ?04:55
TemetMultiverse has more .deb than universe LifesizeKenDoll?04:55
Lowryxine seems better for cd's04:55
nomasteryodaZugwrack: did you look at the alsamixer settings04:56
LifesizeKenDollTemet, not actually sure04:56
ZugwrackMoonSweep: Yes, and ran alsamixer from konsole for good measure just to be sure04:56
ninkendop00p: alright try this instead04:56
Temetyahou LifesizeKenDoll, will you be sweet enough to send it to me by DCC ?04:56
LifesizeKenDollTemet, send what?04:56
ninkendomaybe it's making you log in04:56
p00pninkendo, in foomatic?04:56
Temetsource.list LifesizeKenDoll04:56
p00pninkendo, foomatic should be run as normal user, right?04:56
p00pi just realiezd i'm not running it as root04:56
ninkendono, root is pretty much mandatory04:57
ninkendobut I mean the windows username04:57
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ZugwrackLowry: Have you heard any discussion on how to correct the problem?04:57
p00pi know that04:57
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p00pbut that's probably why it won't save changes04:57
Mojo_Jojothis sucks I cant play UT *cires*04:57
LifesizeKenDollTemet, just add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main04:57
ninkendoer, I read what you said wrong04:57
LifesizeKenDollTemet, and  deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian/ ./04:57
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LifesizeKenDollTemet, that, plus uni/multiverse should be good04:57
ninkendohmm, then again I'm not sure, as it seems to work as non-root also04:57
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ninkendobut the gnome menu entry runs it as root04:58
p00pninkendo, when i ran as root it already had the uri in that format, with user:pass@host/printer04:58
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lt_kijeanyone know why /usr/share/dict/words doesn't exist on a vanilla warty install?04:58
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ninkendowhat happens when you try and print a test page?04:58
p00pninkendo, trying in foomatic now... nothing happened before in nautilus04:59
p00pmaybe it worked04:59
p00pninkendo, DOH04:59
p00pninkendo, it works!04:59
lt_kijei'm trying to search for words that match a certain pattern, and /usr/share/dict/words soft links to /usr/share/dictionaries-common/words, which doesn't exist04:59
ninkendoheh, sweet04:59
p00pninkendo, LifesizeKenDoll, thanks so much for your help04:59
ninkendono problem04:59
htaccesswhat is the recomended methid of editing processes and runlevels in ubuntu, ie i want to switch services like cups and portmap off, rcconf doesnt seem to be here and i see no gui tool04:59
p00pand thank you unbuntu for the best desktop os i've used :)04:59
PlaztkEyesi wouldn't be tripping about the video driver, except i can't change the refresh rate, and 60 Hz is killing me...05:02
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BurgundaviaI have several processes running as root that have no names.05:03
hypa7iaPlaztkEyes: msg me, let's get this thing working05:03
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VR^damnit! ... i burned my iso at a speed of 8x, and when i tried to install, it started skipping at some point... and just hung there eventually >:|05:04
Temethum, sorry LifesizeKenDoll ... i made a mistake ... could you give me again repositories for flash, nvidia...05:04
Temet(shame on me)05:04
htaccessBurgundavia, try 'ps auxww'05:05
mrisagerCan anyone help me with the grub problem described in "FAQ:MY system froze at GRUB". I cant get the fix to work.05:05
Temetwhat's your pb with GRUB mrisager ?05:06
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Temeti go and see05:06
mrisagerAfter Ubuntu install  my system boot to the words GRUB and freeze.05:06
mrisagerIts a well-known problem but I cannot get the fix to work05:06
mrisagerfdisk complains that extended partition does not start at a cylinder boundary05:07
Burgundaviahtaccess: Why the heck do they not show up as a name under sysmon?05:07
Temeta person i know has the same issue with FC305:08
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mrisagerFAQ at http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8933&postcount=105:08
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Temetmrisager, don't you have a knoppix?05:09
Temetthe solution is in the page05:10
htaccessBurgundavia, yes, i noticed that sysmon has them missing, must be a bug05:10
mrisagerYes. When I boot into knoppix and try step 2, sfdisk says unrecognized input: extended partition does not start at a cylinder boundaryt05:10
Temeti don't understand what you need more05:10
htaccessTemet, try the ubuntu LiveCD, like knoppix but ubuntu :)05:11
icuWhen I play the ut2k4 demo on my dell 600m, fglrx mobility 9000, after a couple seconds of in game time with it looking perfect, everything seems to collapse into the center of the screen with a mash of triangle with a vertex at the center of the screen. Any ideas?05:11
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Burgundaviahtaccess: ok, I figured it was a bug, but I figured I should check05:11
Temeti've ubuntu htaccess ;)05:11
mrisagerIs it possible to set up lilo as the boot manager instead. It is less sensitive to the hard disk geometry issues05:11
Temetmrisager, you make a "su" befoire05:12
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Temetwell mrisager , i know another command05:12
Temeti search it05:13
htaccessBurgundavia, if you realy care what those processes are you can check the PID in sysmon and then grep for it in the ps output eg: ps auxww | grep 221305:13
Temetmrisager : sfdisk -d /dev/hda | sfdisk --no-reread -H255 /dev/hda --force05:14
mrisagerbeen there05:14
mrisagersame output05:14
Temetyour hda HD is under windows or linux ?05:14
Burgundaviahtaccess: true, my concern was more that I had no idea what they were05:15
mrisagerwin xp :-[05:15
Temetnot bad05:15
LifesizeKenDollI am back!05:15
Temetwell, i'm sorry ... I don't know05:15
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mrisagerFair enough. Thanks anyway Themet05:16
Temetmaybe juste doing another grub-install /dev/hda mrisager05:16
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luohi all05:16
genhow would i go about installing samba05:16
mrisager?? Complains about Read-only file system05:16
TemetLifesizeKenDoll, I made a mistake, could you give me again the repositories for flash, nvidia... please05:16
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genfor windows file sharing05:16
Temet(sorry LifesizeKenDoll)05:17
luoapt-get install samba05:17
gentried that05:17
luothen do configuration05:17
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TemetLifesizeKenDoll ? Not Really back ?05:17
genand that would  be where05:18
Mojo_Jojoyou dont have to configure it...I didn;t it did it all by itself05:18
LifesizeKenDollTemet, I'm here05:19
luoyou are welcome05:19
stuNNedwhat controls smb browsing in ubuntu if samba isn't installed? i.e. enabling it in network-admin, gnome-vfs-soemthing?05:19
lightninmrisager: I might know a bit about this.05:19
mrisagerI'm all ears05:19
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TemetLifesizeKenDoll, I can't install nvidia with synaptic I think ... i must reboot into a console mode and make a apt get? I'm Right ?05:22
TemetLifesizeKenDoll ?05:25
Temetguys ?05:26
umarmungTemet, you can install the nvidia drivers with synaptic05:27
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Temetand reboot and it works umarmung ... ?05:27
umarmungTemet, after that change nv to nvidia in XF86COnfig-405:27
umarmungthen restart X and cross fingers :p05:27
Temetbut usually, i have to boot to console mode to do that05:27
HrdwrBoBdon't do that05:28
HrdwrBoBrun nvidia-glx-config enable05:28
Temetdon't fight05:28
umarmungHrdwrBoB, why no manual change?05:28
stuNNedHrdwrBoB, so i'm hearing great things about latest nvidia drivers, any idea when they might make it in?05:28
HrdwrBoBthat's the Correct way to do it05:28
HrdwrBoBstuNNed: no idea, sorry05:29
stuNNedHrdwrBoB, doom3 wise05:29
HrdwrBoBoh, interesting05:29
umarmungHrdwrBoB, but why? Will i get any problems with my method?05:29
stuNNedHrdwrBoB, supposedly better framerates than windows counterpart, what they are saying in #nvidia05:29
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HrdwrBoBumarmung: it should work, but that's the package configuration tool05:29
HrdwrBoBand it's also quicker :)05:30
bigtquestion how do you install install a c compiler cause when i try to install this lbjusb for my nomad zen mp3 player i'm doing what it says with extracting and then ./configure  but when i run that it says no c compiler in Path05:31
stuNNedbigt, apt-get build-essential or something , afaik05:32
nevynit's not built already?05:32
bigti don't believe so05:32
bigti took it off the site05:32
bigt<< so new to linux i wouldn't know if it was or not05:33
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HrdwrBoBlibnjb0 - Creative Labs Nomad Jukebox library development files05:33
stuNNedbigt, try 'apt-cache search nomad' and install what you need from there :)05:33
bigttrying to follow the directions of http://gnomad2.sourceforge.net/?section=article05:34
bigtok thanks05:34
stuNNedbigt, works here with dell dj :)05:34
stuNNedgnomad2 that is, all in ubuntu's repo's05:34
stuNNedno need to compile :)05:34
bigtso just do a cache search?05:34
stuNNedor you can search in the gui it might be easier05:34
bigtok which ever way05:35
Lowrylpinfo -v - no printer is showing on ppc ubuntu05:35
bigttrying to learn terminal so terminal would be good05:35
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bigti figure if i learn terminal gui will be easy05:35
stuNNedbigt, then yes apt-cache search nomad then apt-get install it05:35
bigtthank you05:36
bigtit came up with libnjb-dev and libnjb0  so is the command sudo apt-get install libnjb-dev libnjb005:37
stuNNedbigt, sure05:37
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bigtso thats the correct command?05:38
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mike_douglasanyone know any software that could help me create a pamphlet, that runs on Linux (preferably GTK-based).05:38
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bigtok good deal its working05:39
LifesizeKenDollso how we all doing today?05:39
bigtso i guess just plug the ting in the usb now and it should detect05:39
stuNNedbigt, is gnomad2 available? can't remember if i had to get a .deb for it off the web05:40
unpersonmike_douglas, You mean other than OO.org writer or presenter?05:40
bigtwell not sure05:40
stuNNedbigt, if you type 'gnomad2' in terminal ?05:41
bigtok let me try05:41
bigtnot found05:41
mike_douglasya, something with a template engine that works with pamphlets05:41
stuNNedbigt, one sec05:41
bigtthanks i assume the only way i can get access to the device is with gnomad205:42
stuNNedbigt, i got mine from http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/gnomad2 afaik05:42
stuNNedbigt, d/l the one you need then just 'dpkg -i gnomad2-xxxx'05:43
bigtso download and then do the dpkg command?05:43
bigtagain i'm learning05:43
bigtlike sudo dpkg -i <whatever>05:43
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bigtsorry but you said get the one i need in all honestly how do i know which one i need? i'm on a x86 box05:45
unpersonmike_douglas, Hmm...I don't know.  I haven't tried to do anything like that.  Of the tools I know, I'd guess presenter would be the best suited.05:46
stuNNedbigt, i386 one05:46
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|QuaD|hey all, i just installed ubuntu for the first time and am trying to install nvidia drivers05:47
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|QuaD|i dled them from nvidia website05:47
bigtso the libcon2-4 and liblib2.0-0?05:47
|QuaD|and they aren't compilint05:47
LifesizeKenDoll|QuaD|: you wanna go with the Ubuntu ones05:47
LifesizeKenDoll|QuaD|: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx05:48
mike_douglasunperson: thanks anyways, I found Scribus, and that will probably due.05:48
|QuaD|ahh... ok05:48
|QuaD|lemme try that05:48
LifesizeKenDoll|QuaD|: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats05:48
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unpersonmike_douglas, Ah, cool.  I wasn't aware of that project.  Yeah, you might also be able to find appropriate templates for some of the OO.org stuff, but they don't seem to be there by default.05:49
MoonSweepi'm going05:49
MoonSweepbye all05:49
LifesizeKenDollMoonSweep: bye, man05:49
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MoonSweepbye :)05:50
LifesizeKenDollGaim, eh?05:50
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bigtok i see what i was doing wrong duh05:50
|QuaD|LifesizeKenDoll: i just did that... but i think i did damage prior to it by trying to install the drivers!05:51
LifesizeKenDoll|QuaD|: urg, what does it say?05:51
bigtdang error processing qnomad2 (--install) dependency problems leaving unconfigured  :(05:53
bigtsays it requires libid3tag005:54
LifesizeKenDollbigt: *tear*05:54
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bigti'm learing this stuff for the first time and its kicking my bhonkey05:54
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stuNNedbigt, install by apt all it's dep's is what i did, then dpkg -i gnomad2-foo05:55
bigtok i got the second part you said05:55
bigthow you do the apt all?05:55
stuNNedbigt, something like `apt-cache search libid3tag0` or osmething05:56
bigtthen install what it finds?05:56
DrelHello, I'm running into a wierd problem with my Dell Inspiron 2650 laptop.  It has a Nvidia GeForce 2 Go video device.  I have installed the "real" Nvidia drivers, and get graphics fine.  However, when I logout from Gnome or if I try to reboot the system, the screen goes blank and the system appears to hang.  Any ideas what's going on??05:57
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LifesizeKenDollDrel: I know the problem05:57
stuNNedbigt, go through the list and see if a packages matches up or provides what you need05:57
DrelI see someone reporting what seems to be the same problem with Debian here: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2004-04/1616.html05:57
LifesizeKenDollDrel: I have the same deal with mine05:57
DrelLifesizeKenDoll: Any solution or are you just stuck with it?05:57
LifesizeKenDollDrel: easy fix05:58
shank_did i mentiion how much i like ubuntu?05:58
stuNNedDrel, have had similar prob05:58
DrelLifesizeKenDoll: I'm all ears :)05:58
LifesizeKenDollDrel: all you gotta do is edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst05:58
bigtwell id the cache thing and i typed sudo apt-get install libid3tag005:58
LifesizeKenDollDrel: and tap on vga=791 to the end of the kernel params05:58
Gmaili am getting a server soon and i'll like to mirror ubuntu who do i speek to?05:59
LifesizeKenDollDrel: e.g. /vmlinuz- root=/dev/hda5 ro quiet splash vga=79105:59
DrelLifesizeKenDoll: Sweet! I'll try that.05:59
LifesizeKenDollGmail: I'd suggest checking the website05:59
LifesizeKenDollDrel: it should work out for you, man05:59
DrelGreat, I'll brb and let you know either way. ;)05:59
LifesizeKenDollDrel: You gotta reboot, btw05:59
DrelHopefully this will be the last time I have to hard power down the system.06:00
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bigtstrange says it depends but its not gonna be installed06:00
bigtthats just messed up06:00
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stuNNedbigt, weird, libid3tag0 is installed here06:02
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bigtwell it says its not installed here any way to get it reinstalled06:02
bigti tried sudo apt-get install libid3tag006:02
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stuNNeddpkg -l|grep libid3tag06:03
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bigtdoes do anything06:04
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PlaztkEyesgnite all (thank you again, hypa7ia)06:04
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LifesizeKenDollPlaztkEyes: cya later06:05
bigtk here it goes06:05
LifesizeKenDollit's Temet!06:05
stuNNedbigt, did you `apt-get update` first?06:05
PlaztkEyescya, LSKD06:05
Temetlol LifesizeKenDoll , you're back !06:05
LifesizeKenDollTemet: yea, I switched to Gaim from xchat06:05
bigtalright yeah that worked i had an error in what i typed06:05
TemetHum, do someone use 3ddesktop ?06:05
bigtso type gnomad2 now? after i do the install?06:05
LifesizeKenDollit's just an eyecandy thing you should see once and never see again06:06
LifesizeKenDollit is06:06
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Temetbut I like candies lol06:06
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LifesizeKenDollTemet: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/3ddesktopHowto06:06
Temetare you god LifesizeKenDoll ?06:06
LifesizeKenDollTemet: not God, a god, but not God06:07
bigtcool can't open jukebox06:07
DrelLifesizeKenDoll: Sadly, that didn't work. :(  The boot up messages now take up the whole screen (before they used about 70% of the width and height of the screen), everything else works like it did before, but the screen still goes black when I logout.06:07
LifesizeKenDollDrel: *tear*06:07
LifesizeKenDollhey, what's your resolution go up to?06:07
Temetthis guy is incredible06:07
stuNNedbigt, only works as root user here, then had to chown me:mygroup *.* to open in rhythmbox :\06:07
Drel1024x768k, I believe.06:07
bigtwell tis not detecting the player06:08
DrelI reconfigured x to run in 24bit color depth, if that makes a difference.06:08
stuNNedbigt, `sudo -s` then `gnomad`06:08
Drel(when adding the nvidia binary drivers)06:08
LifesizeKenDollif you try 771 it'd probably work06:08
LifesizeKenDollshouldn't make a difference06:08
bigtbam your good06:09
DrelI'll try 771.  Have to run to pick up a tasty hot pizza ;), will try that later.  Thanks for the help!06:09
LifesizeKenDollI want pizza :'(06:09
bigtwell i spoke to fast worked crshed and will not start haha :)06:11
jjhWhy wouldn't alsa recognize my sound card despite the proper modules being loaded?06:12
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bigthey stunned when you hit play selected does it crash back to the shell on you with relocation error?06:13
stuNNedbigt, i just use it to transfer stuff, you need to `chown you:yourgroup *.*` in the dir the audio files are06:14
stuNNedbigt, haven't figured out why can only access as root, could be some udev permissions setting, not sure.06:14
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bigtok well the files are on the mp3 harddrive06:15
bigtnot sure exactly how i would chmod it as you said06:15
bigti thought you could just play them off the player thru the comuter guess not06:15
stuNNedbigt, meaning after they are transferred to local hd...the chown part..06:16
bigtoh ok06:17
DA-MANne1 have any issues with the snd-i8x0 driver?06:18
LifesizeKenDollso I bought an Audigy206:18
DA-MANit sounds like shit on my headphones, same with fc3. use to work fine with kernel 2.4 and oss06:18
bigtstupid questeion don you highlight the file on the right and right click and hit transfer selected?06:18
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stuNNedbigt, also in /etc/hotplug/usb i have nomadjukebox and nomad.usermap but not sure what that is for :)06:18
DA-MANLifesizeKenDoll, hehe fraid i can't do that. it's a laptop06:19
LifesizeKenDollDA-MAN: oh, *tear*06:19
DA-MANyeah, a sony laptop at that06:19
stuNNedbigt, hightlight the file then click the left or right arrow06:20
bigthaha it doesn't do sh*t06:20
bigtit pretends to06:20
bigtsays value too big for defined data type06:21
jjhDA-MAN: Did you ever have problems getting the sound to work at all?06:21
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DA-MANworked by default in 2.4 with fc1 and rhel06:26
DA-MANworks now even, just cracks and sounds crappy06:26
bigtstunned you still there mate?06:26
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lhbdpkg-reconfigure what? is going to reconfigure network settings06:27
icuHas anyone tried running unreal 2004 with an ati card and fglrx?06:27
LifesizeKenDollicu: ATI makes Baby Jesus cry06:27
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DA-MANhehe I thought Old Dirty Bastard changed his name from Baby Jesus already06:28
mercurusgreetings to all06:28
LifesizeKenDollDA-MAN: lol06:28
stuNNedbigt, not really sure what's up, works here, i can send you the two files to put in /etc/hotplug/usb but don't know if that'll make a difference.06:28
icuLifesizeKenDoll: Ya ya I know but i it's what I have in my laptop.06:28
bigtit just says there is a problem with the size06:29
icuhow can I setup the kernel dri module for my radeon mobility 9000 card?06:29
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stuNNedbigt, tried another file?06:30
stuNNedbigt, if usb support recognizes it, should be able to transfer files back and forth.06:30
bigthang on06:30
bigtyeah thats what i thought06:30
bigtbut it doesn't06:30
bigtlet me log in to here06:31
bigton linux06:31
bigtso i can post you what it says06:31
bigtin a pm06:31
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LifesizeKenDollI made an automatic-porn-getter program in python06:32
LifesizeKenDollI obviously own06:32
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LowryReading http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3723 What does the ati rage support with ppc linux?06:33
hypa7iaLifesizeKenDoll: there's already one for firefox06:33
hypa7iait's called magpie :-)06:33
LifesizeKenDollhypa7ia: but does it sort the porn from non-porn06:33
hypa7iathat it doesnt.06:34
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LowryHow good is direct rendering?06:34
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LifesizeKenDollLowry: it is 3d graphics06:34
mercurusLowry: how would you have an ATI chipset on a PPC machine ?06:34
LifesizeKenDollhypa7ia: I call it Pornage, of the gentoo tradition06:35
LowryApple used them in its powerbooks06:35
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genand ibooks06:36
mercurusLowry: ah ... jolly good idea too06:36
hypa7ialil LifesizeKenDoll06:36
genthe powermac g5 can also have a 9600ct or 9800 too06:36
LifesizeKenDollhypa7ia: my roommate bet me that I couldn't do it06:37
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LifesizeKenDollhypa7ia: showed him06:37
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hypa7iayay python!06:37
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LifesizeKenDollPython is so cool06:38
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LifesizeKenDollI keep trying to convince my CS teacher to let my program in Python instead of Java06:38
hypa7iaso i hear06:38
hypa7iai want to learn06:38
hypa7iai quit cs because of java :-(06:38
LifesizeKenDollJava := suck06:38
hypa7iafor serious.06:38
LifesizeKenDollyea, definitely06:39
LifesizeKenDollI love python06:39
hypa7iado you have "how to think like a computer scientist"?06:39
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LifesizeKenDollhypa7ia: no I don't06:40
hypa7iait's a great book06:40
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LifesizeKenDollhypa7ia: oh, I read that06:40
LifesizeKenDollhypa7ia: my bad06:40
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hypa7iano worries :-)06:41
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gnxhey guys :)06:43
gnxso i'm trying this ubuntu, being the gentoo whore I was06:43
gnxand i really like it06:43
LifesizeKenDollgnx: I was a gentoo whore, too!06:43
gnxhowever, i've reinstalled twice, and neither time was I asked to set my root password06:43
LifesizeKenDollI'm not anonymous06:43
Pizbitgnx: YOu use sudo06:44
Tomcat_gnx: root is deactivated in Ubuntu.06:44
Pizbitgnx: Surely as a gentooer you should know about skimming the faq/installion stuff?:)06:44
LifesizeKenDollalthough I like its configurability, I don't like to configure _everything_. And source-based pissed me off06:44
gnxtried that -- it still asks me for a password06:44
mercurushmm ... which device should I feed to cdrecord ..? it is looking for a SCSI emulated drive that isn't available in kernel >= 2.6.x ... where should I direct it ?06:44
LifesizeKenDollit's your pass06:44
Pizbitgnx: Your user password06:44
Tomcat_gnx: It *should* ask you for a password: )06:44
Temetwelcome to my club gnx lol06:44
gnxhrm... it worked this time06:45
hypa7iarepeat after me kids06:45
gnx*looks around and slowly backs out of #ubuntu*06:45
hypa7iait's not a bug, it's a feature :-)06:45
gnxi understand06:45
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gnxbut apparently, my fingers are really fucked up06:45
gnxbecause i was sitting here for half an hour, typing the same god-damned thing06:45
Lowrylater ppl06:45
gnxand i reinstalled twice because of it06:45
Tomcat_Use a better password then. :>06:45
gnxbut it works now ... so i'll stfu.06:45
stuNNedgnx, LOL06:45
gnxhrm .. *clicks around ubuntu.org to find out more about debian*06:47
Lathiatwhy would you learn abotu debian from ubuntu.org, wouldnt you learn about debian from debian.org? :)06:47
gnxemerge sync is not working :X06:47
hypa7ialol gnx06:47
gnxnah, all the tools are virtually the same ;P06:47
gnxpackage management tools*06:47
gnxfrom what I hear..06:47
shank_anybody tried ubuntu on amd64?06:47
Pizbitgnx: computer -> System Configuration -> Synaptic :)06:47
hypa7iaemerge was modeled on apt-get after all06:47
stuNNedgnx, lol06:47
gnxfucking wow.06:48
hypa7iasynaptic's just a front end for apt, gnx06:48
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PizbitHeh, there's command line too, but sometimes guis are quicker and easier.06:48
LifesizeKenDollI like apt-get more06:48
hypa7iamoi aussi06:48
gnxso i think i am going to do this smart upgrade thing now?06:49
gnxsmart update*06:49
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hypa7iagood plan gnx06:50
gnxok .. added the deb-net mirror, got a list, checked using smart update .. and how do I actually update these packages06:51
gnxthe apply button is grayed out06:51
Pizbitdeb-net ?06:51
gnxwell, deb off the net, not deb off the cd, or deb-src off the net06:51
gnxerm .. "repositories"06:52
PizbitThe ubuntu one is already there:)06:52
gnxyeah, you just have to check it06:52
PizbitHit 'reload'06:52
PizbitThen do the smart-upgrade thing06:52
gnxnow it looks like it's sitting idle06:53
gnxdid that install all the updates too?06:53
PizbitMaybe no updates?06:53
PizbitBelieve it checks for updates during the install, enabling universe wont give you updates06:53
Pizbit'cause obviously you havn't got anything from it yet :D06:54
hypa7iai'm off to bed, nite all06:54
gnxclosed it, reopened it, did the same, apply is all of a sudden available for use06:54
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gnx<3 hypa06:54
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hypa7iabest of luck!06:55
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LowryDoes ubuntu ppc support booting from firewire hd?06:55
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gnxhrm .. which of these repositories should I select?07:00
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ajmitchhi scandium07:01
scandiumajmitch: oh :)07:02
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ajmitchscandium: decided to finally get rid of gentoo then? ;)07:03
LifesizeKenDollI have such a love/hate relationship with Gento07:04
LifesizeKenDollcurrently leaning on the latter07:04
stuNNedLifesizeKenDoll, same here lol07:04
LifesizeKenDollI love Ubuntu, though07:04
LifesizeKenDollit has a _great_ configuration07:05
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LifesizeKenDollthings just work07:05
scandiumajmitch: no, I am just extending my mind :)07:05
LifesizeKenDolland it's based off of something great and stable - Debian07:05
LifesizeKenDollalthough I do miss dropshadows07:05
LifesizeKenDolloh X.org 6.8, what must Debian loathe you so?07:05
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HrdwrBoBnot really loathe07:07
HrdwrBoBit's a matter of time07:07
nevynmuch much time.07:07
Lathiatnevyn: you the nevyn i know?07:07
nevynI returned your book.07:08
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jgeorgesonwhil trying to improve my ACPI support, I built a custom kernel to use a custom dsdt, there doesn't seem to be and text console display with it (not kernel boot messages, vt1-6 blank. other than that the system seems to run fine. x starts and gdm loads on vt7 like normal (didn't fix my acpi problems though)07:09
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LifesizeKenDollHrdwrBoB: why won't they just move on to Sarge already?07:11
stuNNedjgeorgeson, do you know if ubuntu can ship with custom dsdt's?07:13
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kingsleyAn updated graph showing which data compression utility should maximize your hardware's network transfer speed is at http://www.nas.com/~change/private/best_compressors_for_networking.2.png. Comments welcome.07:14
jgeorgesonstuNNed: they could ship a kernel with the initrd patch, and during install ask what model laptop you have, and add their dsdt into the dsdt07:15
stuNNedjgeorgeson, that would be especially sweet.07:15
HrdwrBoBkingsley: very interesting07:16
jgeorgesoni think i'll add that to bugzilla07:17
kingsleyHrdwrBoB: Can you elaborate on why it's interesting?07:17
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HrdwrBoBwell my work/home connections are about 50kb/s07:18
HrdwrBoBso for the most part, higher compression is better07:18
HrdwrBoBbut in other locations I get mucher higher, so getting the bzip2 results in longer overall time07:18
HrdwrBoBeven on a decent processor07:18
kingsleyHrdwrBoB: How fast are your home and work CPUs?07:19
HrdwrBoBP4 2.807:20
HrdwrBoBXP 2800+07:20
kingsleyHrdwrBoB: Applying your CPU and network speeds to my chart, it looks like piping through 7za (p7zip package) at compression level 7 (grenn "x") would be worth trying.07:22
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jgeorgesonanybody here rebuild their kernel to get S4 support?07:30
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GnuHippyanyone here?07:37
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jgeorgesonwhat's up?07:37
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stuNNedjgeorgeson, added my comments to https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3379 not much thought atm07:38
jgeorgesonsaw that07:38
jgeorgesonthe comment, that is07:38
will_hi there07:38
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jgeorgesonanyone have sw susp built into their kernel?07:39
Lathiati do07:40
jgeorgesonLathiat: which one one did you use (Assuming you used one of the two methods already in the linux-source package)?07:40
Lathiat2.6.8.1-orinoco-swsusp-mppe (orinoco scanning driver, mppe encryption for MS vpns and swsusp)07:40
Lathiatjgeorgeson: software suspend 2 (softwaresuspend.berlios.de i think)07:40
Lathiatthe activately developed and sanely working one :)07:40
jgeorgesonLathiat: i'm guessing that required patching the linux-source sources?07:41
Lathiatwant my kernel?07:41
rushibhaiyou mean the one with a billion patches?07:41
Lathiatits only one patch07:41
Lathiatwell i have 3 patches in mine but only one of them is swsusp07:42
Lathiatalso ive got a debian package with the script to hibernate07:42
rushibhaihumm.. last time i checked there were a few.. ?07:42
Lathiati couldnt survive without it :)07:42
Lathiatrushibhai: there used to be two07:42
Lathiatbut even then its not that bad07:42
jgeorgesonno thanks, i was just curious which one people were using. i rebuilt my kernel with both the included methods, but what commands are associated with which method07:42
Lathiatjgeorgeson: oh both the included ones arent really activately worked on afaik and i wouldnt recommend using them07:42
Lathiatno idea how to actually use them either07:43
Lathiatbut swsusp2 works very well if you want to try that out07:43
rushibhaii see. for me suspend works pretty much out of the box with debian kernel
Lathiati couldnt live without it07:43
Lathiatrushibhai: acpi suspend-to-disk or suspend-to-ram?07:43
rushibhaisuspend to disk..07:43
Lathiatbios/acpi based suspend to disk?07:43
jgeorgesonI can S3 suspend with no tweaking, but i have no display on resume. absolutely no semblance of S4 at the moment07:43
rushibhaiat some point i got susp. to ram to work, but it ate a lot of battery.07:43
Lathiatrushibhai: heh how much battery?07:44
Lathiatshouldnt use too much07:44
rushibhaiwell, i ran out of battery after four days of continuous suspension.07:44
rushibhaiits an R40, lasts about 3:20 while running.07:44
Lathiatthats pretty good....07:44
Lathiati mean it has to keep the ram alive07:44
jgeorgesondoesn't sound like a "problem" to me. seems like 4 days should have been in S407:45
Lathiati figure its really meant to move placew07:45
Lathiatgo home07:45
rushibhairight. i like susp. to disk though. takes about :45-1min but doesn't eat battery at all.07:45
rushibhaican do it over night and stuff. less hassle than to keep it plugged in to prevent battery to cycle etc.07:46
Lathiatmines pretty fast07:46
Lathiatcus i tell it to flush all the caches07:46
Lathiatand it only writes the ram in use07:46
Lathiatin single user mode its only 30mb so its hell fast07:46
Lathiatits usually ~100mb for me07:46
Lathiatdown to 70 if i dont have OOo open07:46
rushibhaiyeah swsusp2 is much faster. but i like to keep updating my kernel, so no patience to patch it every time ;)07:46
rushibhaii guess after moving to ubuntu i should just patch once and quit monkeying around.. :)07:47
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Tsjoklathi all07:48
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WitigonenSo is it normal for an, 'fsck -c /dev/hda1' check to just kind of sit there for the longest time and not report anything after the 'e2fsck 1.35 (date)' line?07:49
WitigonenOr... should I be worried?  The partition is unmounted, so..07:50
Lathiattry using -C as well?07:50
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WitigonenSo, 'sudo fsck -c -C /dev/hda1'?  Or should it be just /dev/hda?07:50
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dle--It's possible to install from the live CD, is that right?07:51
llamabutcherhey guys, where can i get that 4mb installer?07:51
llamabutcheri cant find a mirror anywhere07:51
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WitigonenLathiat,'sudo fsck -c -C /dev/hda1'?  Or should it be just /dev/hda?  (in case you didn't see it)07:53
Lathiatnono you want hda107:53
Lathiat-C just gives you progress07:53
Lathiatso might help07:53
Tsjoklatllamabutcher... have no clue07:53
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Tsjoklatdidn't even know there is a 4mb installer07:53
Tsjoklatdid you try ubu's website?07:54
llamabutcheryeah, cant find the ftp installer tho07:54
llamabutcheri remember a 4mb one, but ill take one of any size, i just dont wanna dl cd's07:54
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TsjoklatI think you want to google for netinstall llamabutcher07:55
Tsjoklatand ubu is only one cd07:55
WitigonenLathiat, thanks.07:55
Tsjoklatnot several07:55
llamabutcherand it has everything?07:56
corbobis there any reason that i don't get video in totem?07:56
Tsjoklateverything even07:56
Tsjoklatcorbob try totem-xine07:56
jgeorgesoncorbob: not having the right codec installed07:56
corbobi tried xine but it freezes X and causes x to restart...07:56
Tsjoklatllamabutcher you can even d/l the live cd to try it out before deciding you want ubu on your box07:57
corbobjgeorgeson, for avi, mpg, wmv...07:57
Tsjoklatcorbob.... totem-xine works for me with .avi without crashing07:57
corbobxine itself crashes for me, hopefully it's the gui;)07:57
jgeorgesoncorbob: works for me too. i added the marillat repo and installed w32codecs07:57
Tsjoklatyou installed xine? not libxine?07:58
jgeorgesonxine is just the backend library,07:58
corbobjgeorgeson, marillat repo?07:58
Tsjoklatxine is gui07:58
Tsjoklatyes corbob07:59
jgeorgesoncorbob: google "marillat apt repo"07:59
Lathiatjgeorgeson: or apt-get.org is good too08:00
jgeorgesonLathiat: yeah, that would be quicker08:00
dle--It's possible to install from the live CD, is that right?08:01
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jgeorgesondle: i don't think i've heard anything about that08:01
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jgeorgesonTsjoklat: why not testing or unstable?:08:02
Tsjoklatdon't ask me08:02
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Tsjoklatthat's what's on the ubu wiki page08:02
TsjoklatI don't use marillat08:03
Tsjoklatno need for luckily08:03
Tsjoklatif I did, I would build it from cvs08:03
jgeorgesonhm, the unsupported formats faq entry says to use testing08:03
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TsjoklatI just copied/paste what's on that site08:05
Tsjoklatif you feel happy with testing.. go for it :)08:05
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Tsjoklathey mercurus08:06
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corbobis it a good thing when a bus driver is charged for DUI...08:09
Lathiatoh influence08:09
corbobDriving Under INfluence...08:09
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Lathiatanyone know where to get the bittorrents of enterprise08:12
Lathiatah crap08:12
Lathiatignore than and dont kill me :P08:12
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corbobwell vlc works for the video...08:17
corbobbut i can't get it to work with alsa:(08:17
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corbobwell killing esd works:)08:20
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stuNNedis this normal? MPlayer was compiled WITHOUT GUI support.  ..with mplayer-custom .deb?08:25
Amaranthhow could a tar be 11MB but not have any files in it?08:25
bob2Amaranth: are you sure it doesn't?08:25
bob2stuNNed: mplayer gui support is shit08:25
stuNNedbob2, imho i agree :)08:25
stuNNedbob2, but it still puts a .desktop file under Applications08:26
Amaranthnote to self: don't open 11MB tar files in vim08:26
bob2Amaranth: tar -tf foo.tar08:26
bob2stuNNed: ok08:26
Amaranthbob2: It has something in it but file-roller and tar xvf are coming up with nothing.08:26
AmaranthOk, I'll try that.08:27
bob2are you sure it's a tarball?08:27
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Amaranthbob2: That did nothing.08:27
bob2what does "file" say?08:27
Amaranthbob2: Pretty sure.08:27
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AmaranthUnless I zipped up my Windows fonts and uploaded them with a .tar extension. :P08:28
bob2check what file says08:28
Amaranthwhat the file says where?08:28
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bob2the "file" command.08:29
Amaranthit says "data"08:30
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Amaranthah well08:32
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Amaranthit was just fonts08:32
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corbobah crap no wonder it doesn't work08:34
mirakhow to confiugure the scanner ?08:35
nevynAh you use SANE.. Scanner Access Now Easy :)08:36
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WitigonenSo, XMMS is refusing to keep my settings when I close it.08:39
WitigonenAll of my plugins revert to their default settings and turn off and it also reverts back to the default skin.08:39
WitigonenAny ideas?08:39
bob2xmms is buggy in many ways08:39
bob2is it closing or crashing?08:39
Witigonenbob2, I've been assuming that I've been closing it.  It could be crashing when I tell it to close, though, let me see via terminal.08:40
Witigonen...that's bizarre, it kept the skin this time.08:40
mrjivehi *08:40
WitigonenMaybe it's just when I reboot...08:40
corbobWitigonen, it might be that you can't write to the config files...08:41
WitigonenOr, maybe it's just when I load it via the menu.08:41
bob2that would be even weirder08:41
bob2is your disk full?08:41
Witigonendf reports only 89% use.08:41
corbobdoes ubuntu support ntfs partitions?08:41
corbobor do you have to compile that into the kernel on your own...08:41
nevyncorbob: it supports reading them but not writing to them most probably.08:42
bob2corbob: it supports reading from them08:42
bob2linux doesn't support (usefully) writing to them yet08:42
nevynbob2: there's an ndis style hack but it's not distributable.08:42
bob2captive-ntfs, yeah08:42
corbobbob2, under gentoo and a beta version of 2.6 i was able to read and write ntfs without a hitch08:43
bob2it's one of those things I can't actually belive works08:43
bob2corbob: hahaha08:43
bob2corbob: they probably include captive-ntfs08:43
Witigonencorbob, it's doable, it's just very, very, very risky and you can lose all your data.08:43
corbobit was the vanilla source tree08:43
nevyncorbob: did you config the kernel?08:44
WitigonenQuestion:  I'm doing an 'fsck.ext3 -c -C pd /dev/hda1' and it's throwing out a LOT of bad blocks.  Now, it's going to make it so that data is not written to those blocks and I can use my drive without a hitch, right?08:44
corbobi compiled ntfs support into the kernel08:44
bob2well, it wasn't the vanilla source tree, since linux doesn't support that yet08:44
nevyncorbob: you turned on the option "EXPERIMENTAL DANGEROUS NTFS write support"08:44
corbobit didn't say expirimental or dangerous08:44
nevynbob2: I think it's there just marked hell dangerous..08:45
bob2I'm almost certain it only supports modifying the contents of files without resizing them08:45
bob2like 99.9%08:45
corboboh well i don't need write access08:45
corbobunder windows i have read access to my 2 ext3 partitions, and under ubuntu i would like read access to my ntfs partition08:46
Amaranthcorbob: So mount it.08:46
bob2that's easy08:46
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bob2mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/whatever /mnt/08:46
mercurusgreetings all and Tsjoklat08:46
Amaranthmount -t ntfs /dev/hdxX /mnt/windows08:46
Amaranthor something like that08:46
mercurushmm ... GNOME needs an audio CD burning solution08:46
Amaranthmercurus: It has several.08:47
mjrmercurus, yes, it does. It's going to be rhythmbox.08:47
mercurusAmaranth: not graphical ones ... that I can find08:47
Amaranthmercurus: Pigeon CD Recorder, RhythmBox CVS, Nautilus, and one other I can't remember the name of.08:47
Amaranthmercurus: And of course you can always use k3b from KDE.08:47
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mercurusPigeon .. hmm ... didn't come across that one ... I look forward to Rhythmbox ... and Nautilus doesn't burn in CDR format, does it ?08:48
TsjoklatI'll burn from winhole for now if nautilus doesn't do it08:48
Tsjoklatk3b: too much hassle08:48
WitigonenSo, after a badblocks check, data won't be written to the blocks determined to be bad,  yes?08:48
AmaranthI dunno if Nautilus does Audio CD, actually.08:48
mercurusAmaranth: it'll burn them as data, but not audio :(08:49
AmaranthWitigonen: I should hope not.08:49
AmaranthPigeon looks nice, I have it installed now.08:49
mercurusAmaranth: universe ?08:49
AmaranthI think it automatically makes the disc a data/audio disc though.08:50
Amaranthmercurus: Source.08:50
corbobbob2, what does umask=002 mean?08:50
TreenaksNautilus does not create audio CDs.. yet..08:50
Amaranthcorbob: Read only, iirc.08:50
mercurusAmaranth: ah :)08:50
bob2corbob: everyone can read it, man mount08:50
corbob/dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    ro,user         0       208:50
corbobis that what i want to put in fstab?08:51
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bob2well, it depends what you want to do08:51
mjrhmh, at least nautilus-cd-recorder has this in changelog for 0.6.2: "Support disc-at-once for audio cds08:51
corbobread it...08:51
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bob2corbob: for everyone to read it?08:51
bob2then instead of ro,user use umask=00208:52
corbobi only have 3 users on here, one is my regular user, one is my vncluser, and the other was a test user for a friend08:52
Tsjoklatyou should never do that with systemfiles08:52
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corbobTsjoklat, it's windows, it does it to itself08:52
mercurusAmaranth: is Pigeon released by GNOME or independently ?08:52
TsjoklatI have my windows part split in two08:52
Tsjoklatntfs for system and fat for the read/write part08:52
TsjoklatI think it is much safer that way08:53
corbobi only need to be able to access it to transfer files to be worked on08:53
corbobthen i tranfer them back if i need them in windows;)08:53
mercurusTsjoklat: also means you can share files on a data or backup partition between the two operating systems, and means if one partition is inaccessible, the other might still be available08:53
corbobwhich reminds me i should setup a start up script to mount my ext3 partitions08:53
Tsjoklatyes... I just shield off the system part... the rest of windows is available08:53
mercuruscorbob: just put them in /etc/fstab08:54
Witigonencorbob, what I did, what I recommend, is having a very small fat partition to transfer files between the two operating systems, since both can write to fat.08:54
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corbobnext time i decide to nuke windows i plan a low-level format, and hopefully installing either a cd-rom or second hard drive08:54
corbobthat way i don't stress the cd-rw drive so much08:55
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bigtonyis there something special that has to be done to make ubuntu recognize .mp3s?08:55
crimsunbigtony: enable universe and add gstreamer0.8-mad08:55
crimsunbigtony: it's a faq :-)08:55
Witigonenbigtony, either install xmms or gstreamer-0.8mad (or something like that).  The wiki has the topic on it, under restricted formats.08:55
bigtonyok sorry08:55
WitigonenYeah, listen to crimsun.08:55
bigtonyand thanks08:56
corbobi tried to enable ripping to mp3, but i prefer ogg:)08:56
WitigonenThere any way to modify what each mouse button does in gnome like in kde?08:57
Amaranthmercurus: I believe its own gnome.org and sourceforge08:57
Amaranthmercurus: I doubt that helps though. :P08:57
crimsunWitigonen: you can switch the mouse buttons easily. Are you looking to customize beyond that?08:57
corbobi should setup my multimedia keys, seeing as i shelled out a ton of money for this keyboard08:58
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Witigonencrimsun, yeah.  I'd like my middle mouse button to do something and also the fourth/fifth mouse buttons to emulate the middle-button.08:59
bigtonyok i did as you said crimsun, do i need to reboot or something cause when i open music play and go to the dir that the files are in according to gnomad2  they are not displayed08:59
TsjoklatOne day behind my desk... I get a phone call... a friend has a problem... what is the problem I said? he said I want to remove a file... okay what did you do? he said: I typed remove file.... I had visions of Harry Potter and a magical wand08:59
WitigonenWait, bigtony, they're not being displayed?09:00
mercurusAmaranth: do you use totem-xine or totem-gstreamer ?09:00
bigtonyyeah i just looked in fileviewer and they hav ea lock on them09:00
Tsjoklatwrong window excuse moi09:01
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Amaranthmercurus: totem-gstreamer09:02
Tsjoklattry totem-xine?09:02
Witigonenbigtony, try chmodding them.09:02
mercurusAmaranth: hmm ... I've never had any luck with it ... however totem-xine works nicely09:02
Tsjoklatworks for me too09:03
Tsjoklatlike a charm09:03
AmaranthI have gstreamer-plugins installed, the only thing I haven't been able to plat is wmv309:03
bigtonyunfortunately i'm on day 1 of linux :) so how would i do that if you pardon my ignorance09:03
mercurusI'm installing the dev package for libgstreamer in the hope that pigeon will compile happily without the binary09:03
WitigonenMan, this fsck.ext3 is STILL finding bad blocks on my drive.09:03
corbobAmaranth, if you ever get wmv3 files to work would you mind emailing me at knoxie@telus.net and let me know how to do it, then maybe i can nuke windows for good;)09:04
corboberr can you at least get them to play...09:04
Witigonencorbob, does vlc play them?09:04
corbobyes and no09:04
GnuHippyw32codecs corbob09:04
corbobi can get it to play them, but i don't have any video09:04
GnuHippyget that09:04
corbobjust sound09:04
WitigonenHow strange.09:05
corbobof course if you start vlc from a terminal it's quite enlightening09:05
corbobyou get a ton of assertion messages09:05
bob2just use mplayer09:05
bigtonywiti: you mind telling me the chmod command to use ?09:05
bob2yes, the devs are idiots, but it works most of the time09:05
corbobGnuHippy, where do i get w32codecs from?09:06
mercurusAmaranth: are you on warty or hoary ? or using the CVS version of Pigeon ? I've installed totem-gstreamer and the dev packages ... yet it appears to be searching for gstreamer-0.7 ... and Ubuntu has 0.8 ... suggestions ?09:06
Witigonenbigtony, 'sudo chmod +R 777 /directory'.  I think.  sudo to get root permissions, chmod to change the permissions, +R so that it's recursive and changes subdirectories as well, 777 to give full permissions to everyone, and the directory that you want to start.09:06
bob2it'd be cool if people got into the habit of reading the wiki before popping on IRC09:06
Amaranthmercurus: i'm on warty09:07
GnuHippyadd this line corbob to you sources.list09:07
GnuHippydeb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main09:07
Amaranthmercurus: I can't remember what package I installed to make it work, I know I had to install about 5 of them along the way09:07
mercurusAmaranth: ok, i'll keep digging09:07
corbobbob2, what about those of us that live on irc?09:07
bigtonythank you is there a place other than a google search where i can learn the basic commands for this thing?09:07
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Amaranthmy gnome-panel is frozen09:07
bob2corbob: then read the wiki before asking09:07
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WitigonenAnybody have any idea how quickly Firefox 1.0 will replace the .9.3 that Ubuntu has?09:07
bob2being on IRC is not an excuse to be lazy09:08
GnuHippyWitigonen it will in hoary09:08
mjrWitigonen, I'd guess in Hoary09:08
bob2Witigonen: 1.0 will never go in warty, 1.0pr is in hoary already09:08
GnuHippyinfact 1.0 -rc1 is in hoary now09:08
GnuHippyI am using it as we speak09:08
Witigonenbigtony, I usually use gogole or 'man command', you get a LOT of information from man pages.  There are also these card things that you can buy with lots of information about all the basic commands.  But your man pages and google is your best bet.09:08
Amaranthgnome-panel is eating 88% CPU!09:08
Tsjoklathey Ruffian09:08
GnuHippyit is lying to you Amaranth09:09
WitigonenAlright, thanks, GnuHippy, mjr, and bob2.09:09
bigtonyok thank you thats the man <whatever> correct?09:09
RuffianSoldier"Have you heard of that new Distro Ubuntu?  Its sooooooooo stupid! theres no root, and you cant apg-get! BOY EM I MISSINFORMED!"09:09
bob2Amaranth: you should totally complain on IRC instead of filing a bug09:09
Witigonenbigtony, correct.09:09
Amaranthbob2: heh, i just killed it09:09
bob2RuffianSoldier: please try to stay at least a little on-topic09:09
GnuHippysudo is more secure09:09
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RuffianSoldierbob2, Get off my case =)  The topic is Ubuntu09:09
Amaranthbob2: I doubt its reproducable.09:09
GnuHippybob2 is a script or something he is always telling everybody the rules09:10
Amaranthbob2: I can't reproduce just now, doing the same things.09:10
bob2RuffianSoldier: your random thoughts about sudo and "poop" aren't really on-topic09:10
GnuHippylike a bot09:10
bigtonygeeze what am i don't wrong i typed cd ~ to go back to the main root then i typed sudo chmod +r 777 /torrents  and it says no directory found09:10
bob2GnuHippy: yeah, and I never give useulf help to anyone09:10
bigtonybut if i type cd /torrents i can go to the dir09:10
RuffianSoldierbob2, I was making fun the Ubuntu Bashers09:10
GnuHippyI wasn't saying that bob09:10
GnuHippycalm down09:10
bob2I'm quite calm09:11
RuffianSoldierbob2, therefore, they are not my thoughts09:11
Treenaksbigtony: either chmod +r it, or chmod 0777 it, not both -- and chmod 755 it, not 777(!)09:11
GnuHippyhumor is good09:11
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AmaranthHe helps everyone in both #ubuntu and #debian09:11
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Witigonenbigtony, ~ is your home directory, not the root directory of the drive.  When you told it to chmod /torrents, then you are chmodding /torrents, not ~/torrents.  Try 'sudo chmod +R 0777 torrents' from ~.09:11
Witigonenbigtony, make sure you use a capital R, unix is case sensitive :)09:12
corbobsudo bash!!!09:12
WitigonenR is not the same as r, in other words.09:12
TreenaksWitigonen: NEVER chmod 777!09:12
TreenaksWitigonen: really.. it lets other people write09:12
AmaranthWitigonen: Unless you're using rm, then it is. :P09:12
MithrandirWitigonen: Linux is case sensitive, so R is different from r, yes.09:12
maxoAnyone had experience getting Linksys wireless cards to work w/ debian?09:13
corbobchmod +R 777 / is fun;)09:13
corbobit's also painful when root can't log in anymore09:13
bigtonyyou said 755  and now 777?09:13
bigtonyis it 755?09:13
Treenaksbigtony: yes, 755 = "rwxr-xr-x"09:13
Treenaksbigtony: http://www.dartmouth.edu/~rc/help/faq/permissions.html09:13
mercurusAmaranth: ah ... there's an old 0.6 package available - that fixed it09:13
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mercuruswell, satisfied configure anyway :)09:13
RuffianSoldierSo many distros, so little hard drive space09:14
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bigtonyroot@bigtony:~ # sudo chmod +R 0755 torrents09:14
bigtonychmod: invalid mode string: `+R'09:14
bigtonyroot@bigtony:~ #09:14
RuffianSoldiershouldnt that be a -R?09:14
bob2but be very very careful09:14
Treenaksbigtony: yes, it's either -R (recursive) or a+R (make all files that already have one "read" bit readable by all)09:14
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Witigonenbigtony, sorry, -R, my mistake.09:14
Treenaksbigtony: read http://www.dartmouth.edu/~rc/help/faq/permissions.html first09:14
bigtonyok thanks09:14
bigtonygoing there now09:14
ondrejwhy is wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Archive immutable?09:15
mercurusAmaranth: it is quite young isn't it ... crashed out :x but it looks like a bloody good start09:15
mercurusI'll file any bugs I find09:15
bob2ondrej: the old wiki is frozen09:15
bob2ondrej: and letting random idiots add archive mirros seems like a bad idea09:16
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mercurusAmaranth: it doesn't seem to have a wav converter or similar ... have you burned non-wavs to CD ?09:16
mercurus*audio CD09:16
bigtonyok i typed chmode -r torrents09:16
ondrejbob2: yeah, but since I am not an random idiot I need to change my mirror location a bit (from ftp://archive.ubuntu.cz/cdimage/ to ftp://archive.ubuntu.cz/releases/)09:17
Amaranthmercurus: it supports everything gstreamer does09:17
bob2ondrej: is it editable in the new wiki?09:17
bob2ondrej: that or email elmo09:17
Amaranthmercurus: thats why it uses gstreamer09:17
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ondrejbob2: where's new wiki?09:18
mercurusAmaranth: ah ... ok, I'll have to mess around with gstreamer ... which has always crashed out on me the first time I opened it :x09:18
bigtonyhaha still with a lock dang it let me go read some more09:18
Amaranthmercurus: just make sure you have universe and apt-get install gstreamer-plugins09:19
Amaranthmercurus: after that it pretty much supports everything you will probably ever use09:19
mercurusAmaranth: will it pickup the w32 codecs I installed ? or is additional tweaking required ?09:19
bigtonywhen i try that chmod -r 0755 torrents it says 0755 is not a directory09:19
mjrgstreamer doesn't support w32codecs09:19
mjrso yes, it will require tweaking; you'll need to code your own gstreamer-w32-plugin :)09:20
mercurushmm ... it is possible to have totem-xine and gstreamer (NOT totem-gstreamer) installed ?09:20
mjryes, it is09:20
corbobjust not totem-gstreamer...09:21
mercurushmm ... that's how I'll have to go ... I need to be able to listen to recorded lectures, that are supplied in WMV :(09:21
AmaranthSo hoary will use GNOME 2.10, right?09:21
corbobso when one upgrades to hoary...09:21
bob2Amaranth: yes09:21
mjrAmaranth, that's the idea09:21
bob2just use mpolayer, you could have had all this working by now09:21
corbobwill the launchers be updated...09:21
AmaranthYeah, that was the whole point of the 6 month release schedule, wasn't it?09:21
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mercurusbob2: but I already have a tonne of multimedia applications installed ... why one more ?09:21
mjrmercurus, bugger. Stuff like that _really_ should be in an open format like vorbis (or for lectures, maybe speex)09:22
bob2corbob: the menu? yes.09:22
bob2Amaranth: it's synced with gnome's releases, yes09:22
corbobbut not if you upgrade everything from synaptic...09:22
bob2mercurus: it's billion times less fucking around than you've already done09:22
mercurusmjr: my thoughts exactly, and I've whinged to them about it ... and they said it was part of their strategic plan ... for 2008.09:22
mjrmercurus, whee09:22
bob2corbob: your question makes no sense09:22
corbobthe evolution launcher on the top panel...09:22
mercurusbob2: true ... but I'd rather use the Ubuntu \ GNOME supplied apps ...09:23
bob2corbob: it's broken in hoary now, yes09:23
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bob2corbob: since you're using hoary, you surely know how to look it up in the BTS and how to fix it, right?09:23
corbobbut when hoary is released it will be fixed...09:23
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bob2well, there you go09:23
corbobi just changed it to launch evolution instead of evolution2.009:23
bob2don't use hoary unless you at least know how to look up bug reports09:23
corboboh Bug Tracking System09:23
bob2yes, it will be fixed before hoary09:24
bob2it will probably be fixed in the next upload09:24
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RuffianSoldierbob2, how can I set apt-get/syaptic to use both debian repositories and universe?09:24
bob2RuffianSoldier: I'm not going to tell you how to do that09:25
corbobin order to update the menu do i need to log out and back in?09:25
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RuffianSoldierbob2, why? is it illegal? or just long?  how about this, can it be done?  or is this just a dumb question.....09:26
bob2RuffianSoldier: yes, it can be done.  no, it's not illegal or hard to explain.09:26
TsjoklatI think the latter Ruffian09:26
bob2but you will break your machine, and I'm almost certain you won't be able to fix it09:26
AmaranthRuffianSoldier: I was doing that, it sucks.09:26
RuffianSoldierAmaranth, why?09:26
RuffianSoldieraaah, bob2 explained09:27
AmaranthRuffianSoldier: You end up with packages needing certain version of things that won't install unless you force them.09:27
AmaranthAnd sometimes forcing the install of that version breaks a bunch of other things.09:27
RuffianSoldierYa, Ubuntu repositories are just as good as Debian09:27
bob2forcing dependencies is not a good idea09:27
scandiumcorbob: yes, unless you have famd running09:27
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corbob[00000271]  main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `WMV3'.09:28
corbobVLC probably does not support this sound or video format.09:28
RuffianSoldiersleepy time!09:28
corboblets see if xine works with w32codecs09:28
corbobi still have totem-gstreamer installed...09:29
RuffianSoldierapt-get install -t testing Ruffians-Brain09:29
corbobor it says it is, but synaptic supposedly uninstalled it to install totem-xine09:29
bigtonyaww i figured it out linux is case sensitive i had a -r instead of -R09:30
Amaranthpolypaudio can replace esound and just jack as a backend?09:30
bob2everything is case-sensitive in unix09:30
AmaranthI'm in love.09:30
corbobbigtony, i think everyone gave up on telling you that after you made the mistake even after they repeatedly told you09:30
bigtonyyeah i'm sorry09:31
bigtonytired 3am ;)09:31
corbobif i disappear blame xine;)09:31
bigtonystill has the lock on it though but oh well thanks again09:32
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mpattonhello all...new to this distrib, but been out of linux for awhile09:34
mpattondoes anyone know why i receive this message when trying to setup a python program:09:34
mpattonmpatton@xenin:~/ABC-Linux-V.2.4.3 $ python setupabc.py09:35
mpattonTraceback (most recent call last):09:35
mpatton  File "setupabc.py", line 2, in ?09:35
mpatton    from distutils.core import setup09:35
mpattonImportError: No module named distutils.core09:35
Amaranthmpatton: yep, let me see if i remember the solution09:35
bob2install python-dev09:35
AmaranthThere you do.09:35
mpattontoo few arguements09:35
bob2yes, you need to apply some common sense, too09:35
Amaranthapt-get install python-dev09:35
bigtonylater on guys sorry to be a pest thanks again for the help i got it09:35
bob2install was averb, not a command09:36
mpattonexcellent..one more quick Q, i dont remember setting a root pw09:37
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bob2yes, you forgot to read the FAQ09:37
Amaranthmpatton: Yeah, you don't09:37
bob2which is the first item in the topic09:37
Amaranthmpatton: sudo09:37
bob2which explains how everything uses sudo09:37
Amaranthbob2: Some things can't use sudo. Crossover Office, for one.09:37
Tsjoklatpitti :)09:37
bob2Amaranth: why can't it use sudo?09:38
bob2why does it even need root?09:38
pittiMoring Tsjoklat, morning world09:38
Amaranthbob2: Doesn't need root if you want it installed for just you09:38
bob2Amaranth: you can't install it with sudo?09:38
corbobsudo bash then;)09:38
mpattoninteresting..so no root access09:39
AmaranthBut if you try to sudo install it it says $HOME needs to be owned by you or something and that you should login as root or use su instead of sudo.09:39
mpattonwell im off to read the faq...i appreciate the assistance :)09:39
corbobAmaranth, sudo bash would probably work...09:39
bob2Amaranth: that sounds like a bug in crossover09:39
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Amaranthmpatton: If you really want it run sudo passwd and set a root password.09:39
bob2someone who has bought it should file a bug09:39
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Amaranthwait, why?09:40
AmaranthThey know about it, the message that pops up is a part of the installer.09:40
AmaranthIt isn't an error they don't deal with or anything.09:40
bob2of course they can09:40
bob2it's installing to /usr/local, it doesn't need to care if $HOME is even set09:40
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bob2draconian: please turn that off09:41
corbobyay totem-xine works:)09:41
corbobbut it's not in the menu:(09:42
corbobneither is vlc09:42
arthurhi there, anybody who recently upgraded to whoary can help?09:43
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bob2it's "hoary"09:43
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arthurbob2 can you?09:43
corbobwhoary eh, spend a little too much time with hookers eh...09:43
bob2arthur: you haven't asked a question yet09:43
AmaranthSo, will I ever be able to get something like gaim 1.0.2 from apt with warty?09:43
arthurfirefox has stopped working09:43
AmaranthMaybe from universe or something?09:44
arthureverything else is fine09:44
bob2Amaranth: no09:44
Amaranthbob2: Wow, that kinda sucks.09:44
arthurI am getting strange message like "acces key.. something09:44
bob2Amaranth: no09:44
AmaranthI suppose I could just make a deb on my own.09:44
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AmaranthThen give it to others who want it.09:45
bob2Amaranth: the point of a "stable" release is that it doesn't change09:45
bob2if you want constant change, use hoary09:45
arthurthe X server is great09:45
Amaranthbob2: Debian stable changes.09:45
bob2arthur: have you restarted it since working?09:45
bob2er, since upgrading09:45
arthurjust this morning09:45
bob2Amaranth: only for critical bugs and security fixes09:45
bob2Amaranth: the exact same policy ubuntu is using09:45
bob2Amaranth: so you have?09:45
corbobAmaranth, the only updates to warty will be for security fixes and other critical bugs;)09:46
arthurbob2 answer is yes09:46
Gmailanyone not used this: http://services.google.com/marketing/links/au-oa-inter/ please use it and put $50 werth of ads up for ubuntulinux.org HeHe09:46
Amaranthbob2: GAIM 1.0.2 fixes security issues.09:46
bob2Gmail: please stop it09:46
bob2Amaranth: then the fixes will be backported to the version in hoary09:46
arthurit seems to work fine with this only exception09:46
arthurhave tried to reinstall firefox but didn't change one thing09:47
Amaranthbob2: Ok, thats all I needed to know.09:47
bob2arthur: please file a bug09:47
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arthurbob2 to bugzilla?09:47
bob2arthur: yes09:47
mpattonis eyedling ok here?09:48
arthurIt looks like it's a script preventing it from starting09:48
corbobmpatton, i hope so09:48
arthurbob2 I had adblock installed09:48
corbobthere's 264 people in here, if they were all talking at the same time it'd be utter chaos;)09:48
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arthurbob2 anyway I'll give it a try09:49
corbobarthur, is the version of adblock you were using compatable with 1.0 PR1?09:49
chemajagood luck with the GNOME 2 port, GnuCash developers!09:49
arthurcorbob I whish I new :-(09:49
pittijdub: I noticed that we now have gamin instead of FAM. Congrats! But does our kernel already support inotify?09:50
chemajaugh, 40MB of GNOME 1.x deps...09:50
corbobi thought firefox automatically checked that sort of thing09:50
corbobat least it did on windows09:50
arthurIt actually does09:50
Amaranthchemaja: Whatever needs that should be shot.09:50
chemajaAmaranth: GnuCash.09:50
arthurstill using windows? ;-)09:50
corbobarthur, only for games now09:51
Amaranthcorbob: The linux version does those checks too.09:51
chemajaAmaranth: but i'm all ears for a better software package for personal finances09:51
Amaranthchemaja: I don't know of any.09:51
Amaranthchemaja: I use a pen and a notebook. :P09:51
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corbobi no longer need it for videos which i formerly needed it for09:51
arthuranybody else any idea for this firefox thing?09:51
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corbobi also use windows on my laptop, cause i can't seem to get anything else to work:(09:52
chemajaAmaranth: but i'm lazy goddamnit.09:52
arthurthis is the message09:52
bob2that sounds like a problem with adblock09:53
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arthurcordob I had warty on my laptop just fine09:53
bob2you know extensions need to be updated for each new firefox release, right?09:53
arthurlaptop PC :-)09:53
arthurbob2 point is firefox doesnt start anymore09:54
Kal_Zakath_could someone give me a stock install XF86Config-4 file ???09:54
Kal_Zakath_I can't recreate a new one with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8609:54
arthurand yes I know09:54
corbobarthur, if you can get it on my laptop i will pay you good money09:54
Kal_Zakath_I gives me an error (in debug mode) telling me that dpkg won't update configuration file because it has been customized09:54
corbobbut you have to use the tools i have09:54
b_e_n_zKal_Zakath_, X --configure09:54
corbobthat is an external cd-rom drive, and a pcmcia ethernet adapter09:54
arthurcordob are you willing to send it to Italy?09:54
Kal_Zakath_b_e_n_z ?09:54
arthurI do it free of charge :0)09:55
corbobif there was a boot disk i could possibly get it to work09:55
arthurthere is09:55
corbobso i use ssh and vnc to my desktop;)09:55
b_e_n_zKal_Zakath_, i meant xf86config09:55
arthurhave you tried life?09:55
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corbobthat's why i have my vncluser user on here;)09:55
chemajaoh god DAMN it's ugly.09:55
bob2arthur: yes, remove the extension and try again09:55
arthurlife CD I mean09:55
bob2Kal_Zakath_: read the file09:55
corbobi can install RH7.3 on there, but that's it09:56
corbobarthur, it can't boot from cd09:56
arthurbob2 where is the extension?09:56
bob2arthur: no idea09:56
arthurcordob you must change BIOS09:56
corbobarthur, it has the most up to date bios09:56
arthurbob2 thta's bad news09:56
corbobit is an external cd09:56
arthurcordob you have to tell it from where to boot09:57
corbobit's a parallel port cd-rom, and to get it to work in anything i need drivers09:57
arthurcan't you specify the boot sequence?09:57
corbobthat only seem to exist for the 7.x series of red hat09:57
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corbobyeah i can choose either floppy or hard drive first09:57
arthurcordob sounds like you are out of luck owever, boot floppy should do09:57
arthurcordob than you try boot floppy with sitable grub loader09:58
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arthurcordob just a guess09:59
corbobi may try a debian network install09:59
Kal_Zakath__nobody can give ma a stock XF86Config file then ???09:59
arthurcordob sounds you want to go the difficult way09:59
corbobthen i could possibly replace my source.list file to one for ubuntu;)09:59
bob2Kal_Zakath__: please just do what I said09:59
arthuryes that's a possibility09:59
bob2since it explains EXACTLY what to do09:59
Kal_Zakath__do what ? didn't see it10:00
bob2you can PXE boot ubuntu10:00
bob218:55:56           bob2 | Kal_Zakath_: read the file10:00
corbobdoes xine discard late video frames?10:00
Kal_Zakath__bob2 : it's file generated by fglrxconfig10:00
bob2Kal_Zakath__: you don't know how to view text files?10:00
Kal_Zakath__so it dosn't say anything10:00
bob2then you fucked up10:01
Kal_Zakath__my god...10:01
arthurdoes anybody know in which directory firefox puts extensions?10:01
bob2don't do that again10:01
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bob2sudo dpkg -P xserber-xfree86 ; sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree8610:01
bob2er, xserver-xfree8610:01
Kal_Zakath__it's somewhat amazing that I have to re-install xserver-xfree86 only because of one config file o_O10:01
bob2why don't you just restore the backup?10:02
corbobwhat time is firefox 1.0 being released?10:02
shaver1AM pacific10:02
shaverwatch the web site10:02
bob2corbob: www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/10:02
Kal_Zakath__what backup ?10:02
corbobshaver, it's late then10:02
bob2Kal_Zakath__: oh, what a surprise10:02
bob2Kal_Zakath__: in future, don't randomly destroy config files10:02
Kal_Zakath__this fglrxconfig shit overwrited my config file without asking10:03
shavercorbob: my mirror shows it10:03
shaver(I think I'm getting sunsite)10:03
bob2Kal_Zakath__: then file a bug with ati10:03
bob2Kal_Zakath__: and there is areason firegl is not supported by ubuntu ;)10:03
corbobshaver, the website doesn't show it:P10:03
corbobthat's what i'm going by10:03
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shaverthe website is on an odd refresh mechanism10:04
Kal_Zakath__It's seems that you take me as an idiot, so I'll try not to come here too often, don't want a heart atack because I'm getting nervous10:04
bob2I'm not taking you as an idiot10:05
bob2but firegl isn't supported on ubuntu, and it's really shitty that it deletes config files withotu asking10:05
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Treenaksbob2: still, it isn't Kal_Zakath__'s fault if he didn't know that10:05
b_e_n_zKal_Zakath__, can't you just re-create one... X -configure or xf86config10:06
Treenaksbob2: stop acting so #debian-ish10:06
shaverweb site updated10:06
Kal_Zakath__b_e_n_z : cool10:06
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Kal_Zakath__X --configure didn't work but xf86config is ok10:07
b_e_n_zKal_Zakath__, it's X -configure10:07
corbobnot that there'd be much difference between 1.0 PR1 and 1.010:07
TreenaksKal_Zakath__: your X config is gone? run "dexconf" once..10:07
Kal_Zakath__thanks m8, YOU are helpful :)10:07
Kal_Zakath__Treenaks : it seems not to be included with ubunutu10:07
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shaverthere are quite a few differences between PR and 1.010:08
shaver> 250 bug fixes, I think10:08
Tsjoklatdon't worry Kal.. plenty of ppl that will try to help you out10:08
Kal_Zakath__Treenaks : heeu10:08
TreenaksKal_Zakath__: is /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 still there, or is it really gone?10:08
Kal_Zakath__It works too Treenaks, thanks :)10:08
bob2you'll note that I gave the exact command to restore it10:08
TreenaksKal_Zakath__: it works? OK then :)10:08
bob2and I apologise for underestimating the crapness of firegl.10:08
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Kal_Zakath__bob2 : wich command ? didn't saw it10:09
Tsjoklatah well you can always tell him to file a bug report bob2.. it's usually your standard answer10:09
bob219:01:21           bob2 | sudo dpkg -P xserber-xfree86 ; sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree8610:09
bob219:01:29           bob2 | er, xserver-xfree8610:09
bob2Tsjoklat: ?10:09
chemajait would be cool if there was a command with the functionality of top, that showed ALL processes in a pager window (ie. features like dynamic sorting on columns)10:10
bob2if something is broken, file a bug10:10
bob2whinging on IRC does not get things fixed10:10
bob2if you want hoary to be awesome, you have to help by filing bugs10:10
Kal_Zakath__reinstalling, seems not to be the right solution to me just to rewrite a config file10:10
TsjoklatI doubt ppl are whining.. they are at a lost and desperatly trying to find help10:10
Treenaksbob2: no, but asking for a solution on IRC WILL get you a workaround most of the time10:10
bob2Kal_Zakath__: you're misunderstanding what reinstalling is10:10
Tsjoklatand how would you know if it is not just you but a general problem if you don't 'whine'10:10
bob2Kal_Zakath__: you could just as easily install it over the top with --force-confmiss10:11
Kal_Zakath__well, nevermind, I have a correct config file now10:11
Treenaksbob2: no, because X generates its config file10:11
bob2Treenaks: yes, but the other side of the coin is helping people in the future by filin g a bug so it can be fixed10:11
Treenaksbob2: you need to do some magic for get dpkg-reconfigure to regenerate the config file10:11
Kal_Zakath__so I test the config file now10:11
Tsjoklatin order for ppl to file a bug report they have to find out first that it is a general problem10:12
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Tsjoklatbesides.. the 'whining' on irc has made it that a lot of bug reports were filed.. by the developers that sit in this channel10:12
bob2Treenaks: ah, I did not know that10:13
bob2Tsjoklat: none of the developers regularily answer questions in here10:13
Treenaksbob2: look at the comments at the top of XF86Config-4, it explains how to get the auto-recreation to work again10:14
bob2users filing bugs is far far more helpful than hoping a developer will happen to see a complain at export it10:14
bob2Treenaks: yeah, I know10:14
Tsjoklatthey may not answer questions but they pick up things... for most ppl irc is more comfortable10:15
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bob2I am quite certain the developers would far prefer for people to file bugs than to hope that a devloper sees their comments on IRC10:16
bob2because all it does is add an extra step, "developer files bug", before you get to the "developer fixes bug" stage10:16
bob2but in the end it only hurts the people not reporting bugs, so meh10:16
Tsjoklatand it would be a shame if it was made less comfortable by carelessly uttered remarks and comments10:16
nevynbob2: the problem is. establishing that what you experience is actually a bug and not just your own stupidity is non-trivial10:17
bob2erm, ok10:17
bob2nevyn: sure10:17
Tsjoklatthat's what I meant nevyn.. you worded it just right10:17
bob2asking on irc is a good didea to establish that10:17
bob2but then people have to go file it, instead of just leaving it10:18
Tsjoklatbeing a newbie is hard.. making an arse out of yourself is something nobody likes to do10:18
bob2it seems we are in violent agreement :)10:18
nevynsee 272752 :)10:18
TsjoklatI don't see any violent10:18
bob2well, everyone makes an arse of themselves at some point10:18
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TsjoklatI thought we were having a discussion10:19
stvnTsjoklat: are you sure about that, I see ppl doing  it a lot ;)10:19
Tsjoklatyes... and there is  no need to have somebody rub it in10:19
nevynbob2: btw.. run $EDITOR /usr/bin/su-to-root10:19
Tsjoklatstvn :P10:19
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nevynthing is you have to get over the embarassment facto to make progress.10:19
bob2hm, dodgy sh10:20
nevynbob2: I proposed a fix at the end of the above bug.10:20
bob2ah, right10:20
bob2saw that discussion earlier10:21
Tsjoklatwell I might get all hyper, but I just think it is unjust what bob2 said10:21
Tsjoklatthe 'whining' part10:21
bob2I wasn't refering to anyone in particular10:21
bob2it was a general "if you want something fixed, file a bug" comment10:22
Tsjoklatirc is usually the first place where ppl go and talk... vent if you like10:22
bob2I know10:22
Tsjoklatwell perhaps you should have named it: complain10:23
Tsjoklatinstead of whine10:23
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paperflakelo ppl10:23
bob2hm, I didn't intend whine to have negative connotations beyond what complain does10:23
Tsjoklatit does10:23
paperflakehow is it going ?10:23
Tsjoklatit has a very negative tone to it10:24
bob2Tsjoklat: I apologise, I didn't intend it to10:24
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Treenakspaperflake: everything's fine, basically..10:24
Tsjoklatbut what would I know10:24
paperflakecan anyone guide me as where to i can download the libgtk2.0-0 ???10:24
Treenakspaperflake: need ubuntu help? :)10:24
bob2Treenaks: no, thank you for your construtive criticism, I will bear it in mine10:24
bob2erm, Tsjoklat10:24
paperflakeTreenaks: good, glad for u :)10:24
bob2well, both of you10:24
paperflakeTreenaks: yeah10:24
Treenakspaperflake: use apt to install packages, it'll pull in the dependancies in automagically:)10:25
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Tsjoklatthanks bob2 I appreciate that10:25
bob2erm, mind10:25
paperflakeTreenaks: i try to but it looks for the file in /var/cache/.... and then it fails10:25
Treenakspaperflake: what's the message?10:26
paperflakeTreenaks: brb, got to swop screens for that :)10:26
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paperflakeTreenaks: it gives me: "E: Subprocess /usr/bin/dpkg/ returned an error code (1)10:30
bob2you need to capture the rest of the error10:31
Treenakspaperflake: did you use "sudo" before apt-get ?10:32
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bob2you get a different dpkg error if you forget that10:33
Treenaksbob2: oh yes you get the 'apt: can't lock' thing then10:33
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paperflakeTreenaks: yeah10:39
Treenakspaperflake: do you know the rest of the error yet?10:39
paperflakeTreenaks: that is where it ends. the rest is sumthing like error reading (broken pipe)10:40
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paperflakeTreenaks: "dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (broken Pipe)10:43
bob2there's more to it than that10:43
Amaranthwhen i run "modprobe loop" i get "FATAL: Error inserting loop (/lib/modules/ Operation not permitted". Is there any way to make this work?10:43
bob2just paste full output to #flood10:44
AmaranthI need to mount an ISO.10:44
bob2Amaranth: sudo modprobe loop10:44
Adrenalthen...mount it10:44
Amaranthbob2: yeah, thats what I did, sorry10:44
AmaranthI forgot to type that.10:44
bob2that is very very odd10:44
AmaranthAdrenal: I need -o loop to mount it.10:44
bob2Amaranth: anything weird in dmesg?10:44
Adrenalof course10:45
mercurusAmaranth: I have pigeon working on a CD now ... had an issue getting it, and cdrecord an env var to set the device for burning ...10:45
Amaranthbob2: Similar errors with hotplug.10:45
mercurusthe "percentage of disk full" bar is ... interesting ... -google.10:45
bob2Amaranth: have you done anything weird to your kernel?10:45
bob2like security options or whatever?10:45
AmaranthI haven't touched it.10:46
AmaranthWait, those modprobe error don't show up in dmesg, just on boot.10:46
Adrenalis there anyway to make ubuntu look less...clunky10:47
AmaranthAdrenal: You could try prelinking.10:47
paperflakeTreenaks: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/arichives/libgtk2.0-0_2.4.10-1ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack): short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during "./usr/share/doc/libgtk2.0-0/changelog.pre-1-2.gz") errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/libgtk2.0-0_24.10-1ubuntu1_i386.deb e: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an eroor code (1)10:47
AmaranthAdrenal: If you are talking about speed.10:47
Adrenalno, not speed10:47
Adrenallike, make text smaller, more like windows?10:47
AmaranthAdrenal: Try out the Industrial theme.10:47
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Adrenalthanks, that looks a lot better, but i was refering more to the text10:49
logicHave you installed the artwiz fonts Adrenal?10:49
b00gieahm..anyone with firefox 1 installed?10:49
logicYou can change text size from the menu10:49
logicsearch for artwiz on synaptic10:50
Pizbitb00gie: Yes10:50
b00giefirefox asks for libgtk...10:50
logicnice small fonts package10:50
mercurusAmaranth: did you have to do anything snazzy to convince pigeon to use the correct device for 2.6.x ?10:50
BeTathat's funny... until I've put down my kernel limit Tc, my GNU/Linux doesn't crash anymore on my PowerBook G4 1,5GHz10:51
BeTamaybe the default values are too high for this kind of hardware :c/10:51
mercurusI've tried editing /etc/cdrecord/cdrecord, using a shell script to set the CDR_DEVICE variable ... and a few other similar methods ... but pigeon still bombs out with a missing device10:51
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Adrenalwhats the font under logic?10:53
TreenaksAnyone here decided to attend the convention yet? :)10:59
bob2I'm going ;)11:00
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TreenaksI just got the confirmation of my hotel reservation :)11:00
TreenaksThe NH hotel is having a "Special Discount"11:00
TreenaksEUR 57/night11:00
bob2paperflake: delete the .deb from /var/cache/apt/archives/ and try again11:01
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paperflakety bob211:04
paperflakebob2: i'll give it a go11:05
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maswanTreenaks: convention? where?11:07
maswanTreenaks: when?11:07
Treenaksmaswan: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Conference/11:07
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im_kadoes any1 know what xjack is?11:09
maswanTreenaks: ok. thanks.11:09
im_kai'm looking at lan cards on ebay11:09
Mithrandirim_ka: it's a 3com technology where you push the antenna into the card when it's not in use, iirc.11:09
TobiTobsenhas anybody run ubuntu on an PowerBook G4 400?11:09
Mithrandir(or other connector, for normal ethernet cards)11:09
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im_kaMithrandir i wanna build a lan between my main box and an oldish laptop. i have an ethernet card in my box. is xjack ok for me?11:10
Treenaksim_ka: wired or wireless11:11
Treenaksim_ka: well, xjack is just another connector.. just like any other network connector11:11
Treenaksonly smaller, but the same cables fit11:12
im_kaok cool. i was afraid that the cable won't fit.11:12
Treenaksim_ka: http://www.palmtoppaper.com/store/productpics/MegahertzFMcard%20XJack.gif11:12
im_kait's 1 11:12
Treenaksim_ka: sounds like a deal :)11:12
im_kayep :)11:12
im_kai'm getting this old laptop from ebay, and i don't wanna connect it to the internet, but wanna transfer data to it from my ubuntu box. probably gonna install vector on it (might try ubuntu though)11:14
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im_kabut NAT is appealing too ;)11:14
VeronathHave a small problem, when installing ubuntu via cd.. it seems to stall after making the choices of keyboard, language and so on.11:15
bob2are you sure the cd is ok?11:15
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VeronathIt boots fine, I've burned two copies.11:16
VeronathAnd I burned it fine as well.11:16
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bob2you checked the md5sum?11:16
VeronathSeems to mach up.. not sure how to doublecheck with the local.11:17
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im_kafunny that i buy smthg on ebay for 1  and pay 5  for delivery11:17
bob2Veronath: "md5sum foo.iso", "md5sum /dev/cdrom"11:18
bob2they should be identical11:18
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bob2surely there's some tool to do that on windows11:19
paperflakebob2 : ty it is downloading the file now...11:20
GmailFIREFOX 1 IS OUT!11:20
Gmailget ready for the debs11:20
danielsGmail: and the bugs11:20
PizbitGmail: Old news.11:20
paperflakedaniels: lol11:20
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bob2yeah, I bet the debian packager has been up all night waiting for it11:21
bob2so he can package it *this* second11:21
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shaverwonder if he pulled a tree a few hours ago to prime his ccache11:22
pisukeany chance of having a firefox1 deb for ubuntu?11:22
Pizbitshaver: He could have it already done, yesterday.11:23
pisukefor warthy, sorry11:23
bob2pisuke: it will go into hoary, soon11:23
PizbitWell, not really heh, but that's when some builds were done11:23
bob2pisuke: no, it will not go into warty11:23
bob2warty = stable, it will not get new versions of whatever software it is that you want11:23
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paperflakeat last i am gonna have a look at what ubuntu looks like :) in color....11:23
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atropushi all! how can i write cd with ubuntu. I have an atapi cd-writer11:24
bob2atropus: you can use nautiluis11:24
pisukeatropus, nautilus for data and .iso cds11:25
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im_kaGmail will have to wait forever :)11:29
robtaylorhey.. has anyone sucessfully got suspend/resule working on a toshibs tecra? (hardware page says 'untried')11:29
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labanuxI have an error occured in my ubuntu11:29
Treenakswhich error?11:30
labanuxi've asked this before11:30
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labanuxthe error is in pciehp and shpchp11:30
Treenakslabanux: just ignore them, they don't hurt11:30
labanuxthe system said "permission denied" when it's boot11:30
Gmailim_ka: i am using hoary + my own apt repo11:31
maswandaniels: btw, fyi, I seem to drain about 2% battery per hour in suspend to ram.11:31
Treenakslabanux: they probably can't load because you don't have PCI hotplugging (like 90% of people)11:31
labanuxyesterday someone told me how to make this error message doesn't shopw up when boot11:31
danielsmaswan: with your x40?11:31
Gmailmozilla.org is still because it hasn't been slashdotted yet11:31
maswandaniels: yeah11:31
Treenakslabanux: in /etc/hotplug/blacklist, add "pciehp" and "shpchp" (on separate lines)11:31
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PizbitGmail: Slooow though:)11:31
danielsmaswan: what wireless chipset have you got?11:32
maswandaniels: over night, about 10 hours, it went from 40% to 20-something %11:32
maswandaniels: intel11:32
labanuxoy.. yeah..,that's what i mean11:32
labanuxthanx Treenaks11:32
danielstry running rmmod ipw2100 (or ipw2200) beforehand?11:32
maswandaniels: it should do that.. how much drain does your laptop do?11:33
danielsmaswan: about 5% per 8 hours11:33
maswandaniels: Ok. Hmm..11:33
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labanuxEhm..., do we can apt-get install mysql in ubuntu?11:34
maswanwait, this was from 40% to  28% after.. hmm..11:34
labanuxi want to install ubuntu in my PC11:34
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bob2labanux: yes11:34
maswan11 hors11:34
bob2labanux: the server is in the mysql-server package11:34
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maswanok, so about twice as much.11:34
maswanthe suspend script does have an rmmod though11:34
labanuxbob2: so.., i must run this command : apt-get install mysql-server ?11:35
bob2or synaptic or whatever11:35
atropusHi! what kind of debian packages can i use with ubuntu?11:36
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bob2please don't mix debian and ubuntu packages11:37
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SchwukI got my i386 install disk off a friend last night. Tried to install this morning but it fails during base install. Is there anyway to 'repair' the image without re-downloading the whole image (I'm on dial-up)?11:38
labanuxthanx bob211:38
bob2atropus: what are you trying to do?11:38
bob2Schwuk: you can rsync it11:38
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Schwukcool - thanks...11:38
Amaranthhttp://www.google.com/firefox holy shit11:39
cardadorhello. how can I know whats connected to ttyS0? i mean, what is the command?11:39
TreenaksAmaranth: coolness11:39
atropusbob2: Nothing I have just asked you about packages11:40
labanuxhey.., did GAMBAS doesn't exist in ubuntu package list?11:40
labanuxapt-get install gambas <-- couldn't find package gambas11:40
bob2cardador: you mean a modem, or a isdn aptor, etc?11:40
bob2labanux: it is in hoary11:40
bob2it probably wasn't in sid in june11:41
cardadorbob2: well, it is an electronic balance :)11:41
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bob2cardador: I dn't think there's any way to do that11:41
cardadorbob2: but i just want to know how can i monitor the signal that the balance sends11:41
bob2cardador: cat /dev/ttyS0, or minicom, I guess11:42
cardadori have tried both... thanks anyway11:42
bob2minicom doesn't work? how so?11:43
paperflakestatrtcd /.11:43
cardadorbob2: i dont have a clue on how it works :)11:43
cardadorbob2: but ill read the manual or smt like that11:43
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Ycrosdoes anyone know where one might find PPC packages for DVD and xvid/divx playback?11:45
bob2it's on christian marillat's web page11:46
bob2but they won't work on warty11:46
chemajaaiie, gtk1.2 fonts are a pain in the bum11:46
sjoerddoesn't ubuntu have totem-xine ?11:47
Treenakssjoerd: it does, in universe11:47
bob2but that can't play "encrypted" dvds11:47
Treenaksunless you install libdvdcss3 from marillat11:47
sjoerdtrue, but then the xvid/xvid part is covered at least11:48
Treenakssjoerd: afaik, libxvid is in multiverse11:48
sjoerddunno, don't have an ubuntu machine11:48
Ycrosbut it doesn't work on ppc?11:49
bob2it does indeed11:49
bob2but only on hoary, since the guy whorebuid marillat's archive built it for sid only11:50
sjoerddebian totem-xine works fine for everything i throw at it, so i would expect ubuntu's to do too11:50
Ycros  totem-xine: Depends: libxine1 (>= 1-rc3a) but it is not installable11:51
atropusDid you know: when i open a html document (table) with .xls suffix in Open Office it is freezing ....11:51
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bob2totem-xine is installable in both warty and hoary on ppc11:52
ygnomeHi. Is there a howto for floppy install? I have a Compaq M300 cd-less laptop here to install on...11:52
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bob2floppy isn't supported for warty11:53
ygnomebob2: :(11:53
ygnomebob2: any other options?11:53
sjoerdygnome: no pcmcia or firewire cdrom ?11:54
atropusygnome: try it with netinstall11:54
ygnomesjoerd: there was a parallel port one, but I never bought it. no firewire.11:54
ygnomeatropus: ok, how does one netinstall?11:54
bob2does your system support PXE?11:55
ygnomethe lappy has sarge on it, if it helps.11:55
ygnomebob2: no idea. how would I tell?11:55
bob2manual? other that, I don't know11:56
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paperflakelo ppl11:57
paperflakei is back11:57
paperflakeand glad to say i finally got the xserver running11:57
ygnomebob2: I think I read somewhere about a HD install. I'll go search a while...11:58
bob2you could debootstrap from sarge, I guess11:58
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ygnomeheh. the faq has a 'upgrade from sarge' section, no guarantees, feedback wanted... I don't think so...11:59
ondrejygnome: I did upgrade from sarge12:00
ygnomeondrej: hmm. how did it work out?12:00
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ondrejbut I think it's simpler to backup your data and then reinstall, you will have fresh clean system afterwards12:00
nebuWhere can I find the dictionary file on an Ubuntu system?12:01
ondrejygnome: pretty good, but you have to know bit about apt-preferences and so...12:01
nebuI tried /usr/share/dict/words but this seems to be a symlink that points to a non-existing file.12:01
ondrejygnome: I did apt-get dist-upgrade and then something like apt-get install `dpkg --get-selections | cut -f 1 | xargs -i echo {}/warty`12:02
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ondrejand fix errors, install ubuntu-base and you are almost there12:02
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ondrejI also moved some sarge (or woody+backports) machines to warty using same principle12:03
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Rhymeshow to boot an existing ubuntu installation from the boot cd?12:05
thoreauputicnebu: to use dict locally I believe you have to install the dictionary (forget the package name but probably apt-cache search dict would find it)12:05
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nebuthoreauputic: That search gives a ton of results. @_@12:06
thoreauputicnebu: if you have dict installed and are mostly online it's a bit pointless12:06
nebuthoreauputic: And just to be clear, I don't want to run the "dict" service. I'm looking for a file with every English word listed seperated by a newline character.12:07
Treenaksnebu: wenglish12:07
linux_galoreRhymes: mount the hardisk when the CD is loaded then run mkbootdisk12:07
thoreauputicnebu: ah I  see12:07
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Rhymeslinux_galore: gotta go through the installation stage?12:07
linux_galoreRhymes: if ubuntu is installed then all your really need to do is run fdisk and rewite the mbr12:08
linux_galoreRhymes: didnt you make a boot disk when you did the install12:09
linux_galoreRhymes: well how do you expect it to boot12:09
Rhymesmmm with gentoo and debian i could boot the root partition anyway12:10
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Rhymesin different ways but i can12:10
linux_galoreRhymes: if you want it to auto boot from the mbr then run fdisk and set that up12:10
Rhymesok i try12:10
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Rhymeslinux_galore: ran fdisk /mbr, it says that it lacks the operating system12:14
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Gman_hey TongMaster12:16
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linux_galoreRhymes: is this the windows or Linux version of fdisk12:17
mrjiveX11 problem: if i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it does not writes /etc/X11/XF86Config-412:19
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bob2you modified the file manually12:19
bob2read the top of the file for instructions of how to fix it12:19
bunshow much disk space i need for the default installation12:19
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Gmaili am in a fight with someone about ubuntu this is what he says what to say back12:25
Gmail<Pauk> Ubuntu is for pussies who want their fucking hands held. I mean, no root, what the fuck is with that?12:25
bunsI only have 1.4 GB to spare on my laptop. Besides interrupting the installation process (2nd stage) midway and use dselect to remove packages that I do not need, any other suggestion?12:25
bob2why don't you just not get in a fight?12:25
bob2Gmail: you're being trolled12:25
bob2buns: disable the archive copier, then it only needs 1.2GB to install12:25
Gmailbob2: he started it he ask me what distro i use and i said ubuntu then he said that because i don't use fedora12:26
bob2buns: boot with 'anna/choose_modules=archive-copier'12:26
bob2Gmail: you're being trolled12:26
MithrandirGmail: what's wrong with hand-holding?12:26
Treenaksbob2: anna?12:26
bob2Treenaks: Anna's Not Nearly Apt12:26
bob2(but good enough for d-i)12:27
Treenaksbob2: argh :)12:27
linux_galoreGmail: ask the guy to explain why you need a root account on a desktop12:28
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Mithrandirbob2: poor joeyh's sister, being abuse like that.12:28
thoreauputicGmail: in any case, if you want to you can add a root acount12:28
Mithrandirabused, even12:29
Gmaili told him that12:29
Gmailand there is a root alway you need to add a passowrd12:29
Mithrandirlinux_galore: why would you need root more on a server?  I use sudo on all mine.12:29
thoreauputicGmail: so ignore the guy12:29
linux_galoreGmail: also ask him to explain how a single point security option like a "root" use account is better on a desktop12:29
linux_galoreMithrandir: there are some things on a server that really needs root12:30
bob2Mithrandir: hah12:30
Mithrandirlinux_galore: oh, like what?12:30
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labanuxnow i'm using gedit12:31
linux_galoreMithrandir: ask jdub he got a mouthful about why you need root on a server....12:31
labanuxbut seems there's something wrong with this gedit12:31
Mithrandirlinux_galore: I claim he's wrong. :)12:31
shaverso when ubuntu hits Bad Times during boot-up fsck12:31
labanuxwhen i click the "open" icon, the gedit is going crash/hang12:31
shaverwhat does it ask for, if not the root password?12:31
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bob2shaver: nothing12:32
shaver(to drop to a shell for repair)12:32
shaverI see12:32
Mithrandirshaver: doesn't ask.12:32
linux_galoreMithrandir:  there are certain complex scenarios were you have to have root12:32
bob2if someone is physically in front of the machine, they 0wn it anyway12:32
labanuxthen, there's something wrong to with my "home" shorcut12:32
bob2I'd be very interested to hear about these complex scenarios...12:32
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shaverbob2: so why require a password for sudo on the console?12:32
shaverbob2: pam will certainly let you suppress it12:32
labanuxwhen I try to click the "home" icon, it doesn't do anything12:32
Mithrandirlinux_galore: I can't think of a single one; possibly with the exception of sudo going away, in which case you need to go into rescue mode.12:32
labanuxand it's going to crash..12:33
labanuxi've try to "apt-get remove gedit", then i run back "apt-get install gedit"12:33
labanuxbut.., it still have the problem..12:33
im_kai wanna set up a simple lan between my ubuntu box an an oldish laptop (probably gonna run vector on it) i'm getting on ebay. i've got a lan card in my ubuntu-box but it's occupied by my cable modem... i should get a 2nd one, right?12:34
im_ka(i have a pcmcia lan card for the lappy)12:34
linux_galoreim_ka: just buy a 4 port router......there very cheap these days12:35
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labanuxany suggestion about this..?12:35
Gmail<thoreauputic> Gmail: so ignore the guy << i did this and he is an op and banned me12:36
thoreauputicGmail: well, he has *deep* problems then12:36
linux_galoreGmail: my atitude to channels with wankers in control is leave and watch his channel die12:37
bob2Gmail: stop getting trolled so easily12:37
im_kalinux_galore i don't need internet for the laptop. just transferring files between the 2 machines12:37
linux_galoreim_ka: always use a thumb drive if both machines have usb12:37
im_kayea that's the simplest way :)12:38
im_kabut not geeky enuff LOL12:38
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linux_galoreim_ka: get a 64mb thumb drive for next to nothing these days12:38
linux_galoreim_ka: make it a 1Gb thumb drive  lol12:39
thoreauputiclabanux: try running gedit from a terminal and see what errors you get12:39
linux_galoreim_ka: store the files on mobile phone then transfer them via blue tooth lol12:39
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linux_galore<-- carried a 128mb thumb drive everywhere12:40
linux_galoremight ask the wife to get me a 1Gb thumb drive for christmas12:41
im_kalinux_galore what's the simplest way to set up a two machine network?... to make it clear :)12:41
linux_galoreim_ka: just plug them in set one as a gateway12:42
thoreauputicim_ka: crossover cable12:42
im_kayep that's what i'm gonna do. how do i set the gateway? any howtos around (i'm googling, i'm googling...)?12:45
linux_galoreyeah crossover cable is all you need then just send via the IP addy.....setup a simple sshd connection and scp files between the machines12:45
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labanuxthoreauputic: wait a minute.., i'm tryng to run gedit from terminal12:46
im_kai gotta go to ebay for a 2nd lan card for my box (the one i have is occupied by my cable modem)12:47
bob2plug them together with crossover12:47
linux_galoreim_ka: spend the extra $20 and get a router12:47
labanuxthoreauputic: i've done it.., gedit still has the same error.., but no error message in konsole12:47
bob2set ips on them in the same subnet (man interfaces)12:47
cardadorim_ka: i have a setup similar with yours. just connect both pcs with a crossover cable12:47
bob2run ssh or whatever (openssh-server)12:47
linux_galoreyeah I agree with bob2  just a crossover cable and sshd running on one machine and your off12:48
im_kathanks all12:48
cardadorlinux_galore and bob2: i use nautilus to send files between both computers12:48
linux_galorecardador: lol were command line junkies UI tools for us are the long way12:49
im_kaone more stupid question: how do i use ssh?12:51
bob2ctrl-l sftp://ip_of_the_other_computer/12:51
bob2in nautilus12:51
cardadorim_ka: open nautilus and write: ssh://pc_you_want_to_connect12:51
chemajaCan anyone recall the name of the GNOME 1.x help browser program? I'm trying to increase the font size for GnuCash help.12:51
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linux_galoreim_ka: make sure one of the machines has sshd running12:52
thoreauputicyelp maybe?12:52
chemajathoreauputic: that's GNOME 2.x12:52
im_kaname of the pc = im_ka@ubuntubox.org for example?12:52
thoreauputicchemaja: ah - Ok12:52
chemajathoreauputic: i have a feeling it didn't have a 'name'12:53
bob2im_ka: no12:53
linux_galoreim_ka: from the machine not running sshd  type  ssh  user_account@192.168.*.*  if you want to do it from the command line12:53
bob2im_ka: the ip address you set on it12:53
chemajaman those #gnome folks hadly ever reply12:53
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thoreauputicim_ka: unless you have the machine names in /etc/hosts12:54
opi^workim_ka: see what's sudo ifconfig | grep inet saying12:54
opi^workthoreauputic: better use ifconfing12:54
opi^workthoreauputic: we do not know if interface is up12:55
im_kaso let's say i run sshd on my main box and ssh it from the laptop. i'll be able to move files to and from my main box. is this correct?12:56
opi^workim_ka: no12:56
opi^workim_ka: ssh is a terminal deamon12:57
opi^workim_ka: for moving files use NFS, Samba or SFTP12:57
linux_galoreopi^work: there are scp/ssh UI tools12:57
opi^worklinux_galore: i said SFTP12:57
bob2im_ka: if you have ssh running, you can use sftp to move files, yes12:58
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opi^worklinux_galore: I prefer to mount my disks, instead of loging ;-)12:58
im_kaso with ssh, i simply establish the connection. then i'll need an app for moving files12:58
im_kasome ftp client for example?12:59
opi^worksftp is basicly ftp12:59
opi^workdifference is, it's secure (crypted)12:59
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im_kagftp will do it as well, right?12:59
opi^workim_ka: do not know, I use yafc12:59
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skarhi, how do i find the biggest files in the etc directory?12:59
opi^workskar: put together find, cut and sort ;)01:00
skaror any directory for that matter?!01:00
linux_galoreopi^work: you can always learn to use scp..........if sshd is running on the main machine from the client you can use scp to copy files to or from one machine to the other01:00
opi^workskar: but I don't have sutch script ;)01:00
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linux_galoreshould have sent that last post to im_ka01:01
opi^worklinux_galore: but you have to know path, plus you can not mount ie. SQL databases01:01
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bob2im_ka: as I said earlier, nautilus can do sftp01:02
linux_galoreopi^work: actually you dont need to know the path thats why I ssh in first goto were I want to go then use pwd and cut and past it into the scp command01:02
im_kabob2 that's really cool. i only have gnome on the main box i'll be running sshd on. so if i establish the connection with "ssh"-ing from the laptop, i _will_ be able to move files (on my ubuntu-box, with nautilus) to and from the laptop. correct?01:04
im_kaexcuse me all for my networking noobiness!01:04
linux_galoreopi^work: also scp can be done both ways ie I can ssh into the main machine then scp the file to the client01:04
bob2im_ka: nautilus needs to be on a different machine to the one running openssh-server01:05
opi^worklinux_galore: still, I can not use scp/sftp as ie. distributed homedirs, so it's unusable for me :P01:05
opi^workim_ka: IF you're running sshd there01:05
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im_kabob2 i'll just run the ssh server on the laptop01:05
im_kaand use nautilus to move files back and forth. that seems to be the simplest way01:06
bob2sounds good01:06
bob2or you can run samba01:06
bob2or ...01:06
bob2lots of options ;)01:06
im_kano samba needed. i'll be running linux on the lappy01:06
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im_kathanks for the help01:08
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linux_galoreIm finding most of the sellers on ebay these days are dealers01:08
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im_kai'll might just get the lan card in a regular shot. it won't cause any problems if i have 2 cards in my box, right? one for the cable modem, one for the laptop connection01:10
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im_kalinux_galore that's why i'm not buying it on ebay. could you have a look at my last question please? ;)01:13
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im_kabtw, i've just won the auction for a pcmcia lan card on ebay. it was 1  (about 1 $)01:14
Treenaksim_ka: nice :)01:14
im_ka+ 5  delivery, lol01:15
linux_galoreim_ka: just goto a local PC shop buy an rtl card..works fine in Linux01:15
opi^worklinux_galore: rtl cards costs less than $9 in Poland :P01:16
im_kawhat's rtl?01:16
im_kaok i got a realtek card :)01:16
linux_galoreim_ka: its not the brand of the maker more the brand of the chip on the card01:16
im_kain my box.01:16
im_kait won't mess things up if i have 2 lan cards, right?01:17
linux_galoreim_ka: lol I have 6 cards in one machine at work01:17
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im_kai'm off to my local computer dealer01:19
im_kaby all and thanks for the help01:19
linux_galoreim_ka: you can do some pretty funky things with Linux.....ie between the email server and the file server I have two 10/100 connections and I have bonded the connections on both sides so each IP is really 2 x 100mb/s connections01:19
im_kalinux = fun01:20
linux_galoreim_ka: I was given two 10/100 3com cards each one has two 10/100 eth connections so I bonded each side.....beats paying for two gigabyte cards01:21
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linux_galoreooh cool nvidia just released new drivers for Linux01:24
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im_kalinux_galore i forgot to ask one thing: what about ssh and iptables? what port is it using?01:25
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linux_galoreim_ka: 2201:25
linux_galoreim_ka: well ssh is actually in the services section in firestarter01:26
Treenaksim_ka: you can just tell iptables to use port 'ssh' afaik01:26
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labanuxIs java2-common package enough to programming with java languange..??01:27
labanuxi've just install java2-common in my ubuntu01:27
im_kabut wait... i need to open up the ssh port only on the machine i'm running the ssd server... right?01:28
labanuxi've just install java2-common in my ubuntu01:28
labanuxbut when i'm trying using "java" anda "javac" command, it doesn't work01:29
linux_galoreim_ka: yes but you can also restrict the ssh service in firestarter to a set IP too if you want01:30
Treenakslinux_galore: then you'll probably need the SDK01:30
im_kai won't be running a firewall on the laptop anyways01:30
linux_galoreim_ka: well on the main box just set the laptops IP as a trusted host end of story01:31
linux_galoreim_ka: dont have to wory about specific ports then01:31
im_kanice. thanks.01:32
linux_galoreim_ka: thats an option in the second tab on firestarter from memory01:32
linux_galoreon the main machine type  sudo service sshd start01:34
labanuxanyone know what package shall we install so we can make program in java?01:37
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chemajawrt. my previous question, "Can anyone recall the name of the GNOME 1.x help browser program? I'm trying to increase the font size for GnuCash help."      ... I'm finding threads in the mail.gnome.org archives asking the same question, but none have answers (checked 3 so far, still looking)...  does anyone know about this issue?01:38
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kentlabanux, wait a sec..01:42
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skaropi^work: "find / -size +xxxk" itself does that :)01:43
paperflakehi again01:43
kentlabanux, I use blackdown Java. j2re1.4.  I got it from apt (not sure if its from universe, multiverse.. )01:43
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labanuxkent: how you use the apt for that?01:53
labanuxkent: apt-get install j2re.4 ?01:53
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Treenaksargh! NetworkManagerInfo thingy doesn't set up an ipv6 linklocal address.. so no IPv6 autoconfiguration.. so no IPv6 :(02:06
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sjoerdTreenaks: why should it set up a linklocal address ?02:08
Treenakssjoerd: no linklocal = no ipv6-autoconfiguration02:08
sjoerdthat happens automagically if you load the module02:08
Treenakssjoerd: well, then it removes it..02:09
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sjoerdsounds strange, but then again haven't tried it02:10
Treenakssjoerd: if I ifdown, ifup and click around a bit, it works again..02:10
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ploumHello ! Firefox 1.0 is out :-)02:21
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pk_ceni have grub linux install hdb02:26
pk_cenand windows install on hda02:26
pk_ceni defined sequence boot (hdb, hda, ...)02:26
pk_cenhow add a entry into menu.lst for windows02:26
LifesizeKenDollpk_cen: I know02:26
LifesizeKenDollpk_cen: shouldn't it do it automatically for Ubuntu, though?02:26
LifesizeKenDolloh well02:27
LifesizeKenDollpk_cen: title    Windows02:27
LifesizeKenDollpk_cen: rootnoverify (hd0,0)02:27
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LifesizeKenDollpk_cen: chainloader (hd0,0)+102:27
LifesizeKenDollpk_cen: makeactive02:28
Mojo_JojoHi, how can I findout what my colour depth is?02:28
LifesizeKenDollpk_cen: boot02:28
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pk_cenboot? you mean reboot?02:28
LifesizeKenDollMojo_Jojo: `glxinfo`02:29
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LifesizeKenDollMojo_Jojo: it's the second identifier in the long table02:29
ntollhow do I get X to re-probe my monitor settings?02:29
pk_cenLifesizeKenDoll, boot? you mean reboot?02:30
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Mojo_JojoLifesizeKenDoll, you mean this 0x21 24 tc  0 32  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  0  0 24  8 16 16 16 16  0 0 None02:30
LifesizeKenDollMojo_Jojo: you are 24-bit02:30
LifesizeKenDollpk_cen: no, that's the list of commands you should put into /boot/grub/menu.lst02:31
LifesizeKenDollpk_cen: want me to retell them?02:31
Mojo_Jojook :D thanks :D02:31
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nimcwhen will firefox1.0 be available on synaptic?02:33
LifesizeKenDollit comes out today, yes?02:33
ntollI was running Fedora Core 1 on my laptop and it used 1280x1024 as my screen resolution and when I plugged in an external monitor it (correctly) used th esame resolution. Ubuntu just shows a blank screen when using my plugin monitor. What do I run to set up my monitor configuration?02:33
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ntollLifesizeKenDoll, its out now02:33
nimcit's already out, but will it be available on synaptic?02:34
LifesizeKenDollnimc: in a little bit, I bet02:34
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nimcok cool02:35
kensaiwhich is the terminal command to renaming a file?02:35
ntollkensai, mv oldname newname02:35
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nimcanyone knows how to limit the size of the items in the taskbar ?02:36
BeTafabbione: that was the matter : temperature... it doesn't crash anymore :c)02:36
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pk_cenLifesizeKenDoll, no02:36
fabbioneBeTa: eheeh02:37
pk_cenLifesizeKenDoll, "Error 22: no such partition"02:37
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malte`when will firefox 1.0 be available in hoary repositories? :)02:44
LifesizeKenDollmalte`: I hope soon02:44
danielsdudes, there's barely been enough time to build it since the tarball's been released.  give it some time!02:45
LifesizeKenDolldaniels: but I want it now :'(02:45
fabbioneLifesizeKenDoll: why?02:46
danielsLifesizeKenDoll: ... why?02:46
fabbionewhat is the rush02:46
danielsyou already have 1.0PR, not that much has changed02:46
fabbioneprobably more bugs02:46
danielsfabbione: where do I get the debs? sign me up!02:46
thoreauputichttp://www.mozilla.org/ appears to be totally /. ed02:46
thoreauputicah - http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/  seems OK02:47
Gmailthoreauputic: its just slow02:47
Telepspreadfirefox is also very slow02:48
Gmailmozilla.org just loaded for me in 20s02:48
thoreauputicthe download link on the firefox page has the 1.0 binary installer if you want to play with that...02:49
AmaranthUse the torrent, please!02:50
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thoreauputicAmaranth: Ok - where ?02:50
Gmailhttp://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/ is super fast02:50
thoreauputicAmaranth: I just found the obvious link is all..02:50
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AmaranthI'm seeding all of them.02:51
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Amaranthdaniels: People using Ubuntu want Firefox, just helping them get it the quickest without killing Mozilla's servers. :)02:51
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danielsAmaranth: ii  mozilla-firefox            0.99+1.0RC1-3ubuntu1       lightweight web browser based on Mozilla02:52
danielsAmaranth: you don't have to wait -- get firefox today!02:52
Amaranthdaniels: Some people want the new version. :P02:52
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GmailAmaranth: then wait for to enter debian experiMENTAL or sid and merged into hoary tomz02:54
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danielsthe merge probably won't happen automatically as there are a number of patches blah blah02:55
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RoBLiNuXyou a Ubuntu user?02:58
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RoBLiNuXim using a celeron 634mhz 256mb what you using?02:59
LifesizeKenDollAthlon XP 2500 1.8GHz w/512MB03:00
RoBLiNuXdamn nice03:00
RoBLiNuXso you not a newbie I bet03:00
LifesizeKenDollmy system's not that great03:00
RoBLiNuXi have my main pc laptop athlon xp-m 2800+ w/ 784mb ddr03:01
LifesizeKenDollI've been admining boxes for a year, though03:01
MangetsuLifesizeKenDoll, I have the same system but its underclocked to 1.1Ghz03:01
LifesizeKenDollMangetsu: why?03:01
LifesizeKenDollRoBLiNuX: why 784 and not 768?03:01
RoBLiNuXhow can a xp 2500 be faster than a 2800 ?03:01
RoBLiNuXoh no sorry lol03:02
LifesizeKenDollRoBLiNuX: the 2800 would be faster, because of caches and such03:02
LifesizeKenDollGHz doesn't matter03:02
RoBLiNuXbecause 784mb ddr (-64mb video) 70403:02
LifesizeKenDollthat's an odd number03:03
RoBLiNuXmaybe i added wrong lol03:03
LifesizeKenDollcould do03:03
LifesizeKenDoll768 = 256*303:04
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LifesizeKenDoll784 = 2^4*7^203:04
LifesizeKenDollwhich is odd03:04
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lupus_is someone planning on making a gstreamer-xvid and gstreamer-ffmpeg package or are they already available somewhere?03:07
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genlupus: like vlc?03:08
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lupus_I would like to have gstreamer03:08
lupus_because that really needs decent testing03:09
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Amaranthlupus_: I believe gstreamer-ffmpeg already exists.03:13
AmaranthI'm even more confident that it's in Debian somewhere.03:13
RoBLiNuXCeleron 634mhz 256mb thats ok to run Ubuntu ?03:14
AmaranthRoBLiNuX: Of course.03:14
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RoBLiNuXAmaranth, Thanks!03:15
Amaranththe main thing needed is RAM03:16
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AmaranthI've got firefox, azureus, xchat, and a couple other things open on top of the base ubuntu desktop and I'm only using 239MB of RAM, so you should be on there.03:17
Amarantherr, ok there03:17
AmaranthAnd the 634Mhz just means it won't fly, but it should be rather usable.03:17
AmaranthEven WinXP would be fast enough on that machine.03:18
RoBLiNuXnice programs03:18
lupus_how can I see the changelog of an installed package?03:18
RoBLiNuXXP is ok on my desktop03:18
danielssometimes just changelog.gz03:18
sladenAmaranth: with XP, it makes a difference with the RAM.  XP likes a good 256MB to store its eye-candy03:18
RoBLiNuXI'm trying to learn how to install programs on linux , or instead I'm trying to learn linux step by step03:19
Amaranthsladen: GNOME + X needs a good 256MB to store it's bloat. :P03:19
lupus_thx ,-)03:19
chibifsI demand openbox. :o03:20
danielsAmaranth: no it doesn't03:21
danielsAmaranth: don't confuse 128MB of mapped video memory with 128MB of system RAM used03:21
thoreauputicAmaranth: actually it depends how fast you need - some people are quite happy with GNOME on 128MB03:21
chibifsHehe. "Operation timed out while trying to access mozilla.org"03:21
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chibifsTeh /.03:21
Amaranthmapped video memory? isn't that for integrated video cards?03:21
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genI see firefox 1.0 final is finally out03:24
kensaigen: yeah ! and it rules03:25
genkensai: have a mirror? mozilla.org is totally bandwidth hogged down (Slashdotted apparently)03:25
gento an ftp03:26
kensaiI'll search03:26
genkensai: should I remove the old directory and settings first?03:28
genfound an ftp mirror03:29
kensaigen: No I keep my old dir and just install f1.0 final in other dir03:29
gennot ftp but mirror03:29
genkensai: k03:29
RoBLiNuXI'm trying to install it but what path do I choose?03:29
kensaigen: so when ubuntu hoary has it on apt then I just upgrade to it and remove the one I installed03:29
lupus_Amaranth, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=gstreamer&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all03:30
lupus_not in the repository :s03:30
kensaigen: thanks for the Link03:31
genkensai: np03:31
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RoBLiNuXAnyone can help , I don't know which path to install firefox03:32
kensaiRoBLiNuX: the one in ubuntu is on /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox03:33
RoBLiNuXthe same for other distros?03:33
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WebMavenRoBLiNuX, why are you specifying a path?03:34
thoreauputicRoBLiNuX: if you are installing the mozilla.org binary, don't install it there: put it in /usr/local03:34
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thoreauputicotherwise you might b0rk dpkg/apt03:35
WebMavenRoBLiNuX, isn't FF available as a package?03:35
crimsunnever fear, FF 1.0 will be in Hoary soonish.03:35
thoreauputicWebMaven: I assume he's installing 1.003:35
RoBLiNuXWebMaven, right now I'm using another distro (Xandros) trying to learn the easiest first, but I'm going back to Ubuntu in a few minutes because Xandros doesnt have firefox03:35
RoBLiNuXyes I'm installing 1.103:35
thoreauputic1.1 doesn't exist :/03:36
WebMavenXandros is also debian-based, yes?03:36
RoBLiNuX1.0 I mean sorry03:36
WebMavenwouldn't it be better to install the debian package for FF, then, rather than a binary?03:36
RoBLiNuXwhat you mean (newbie)03:37
thoreauputicWebMaven: of course, but he's installing the latest, released today by Mozilla.org03:37
RoBLiNuXI saw it yesterday released03:37
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chibifsHa. You got to mozilla.org? :P03:38
WebMaventhoreauputic, but, is there some *reason* to install the latest, rather than use the most recent package avaialable?03:38
thoreauputicWebMaven: only terminal "newisbetter" disease03:38
WebMavenchibifs, that makes no sense.03:38
chibifs1.0PR has proven itself to be infinitely unstable.03:39
WebMavenchibifs, infinitely, huh?03:39
chibifsOh yeah, at least 7 crashes a day. :/03:39
thoreauputicI'm still running 0.8 and it is fine - I'll wait awhile before I change/update it03:39
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chibifs.9.3 has been the most stable for me.03:40
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chibifsBut I'd assume that 1 is more stable than 1PR, since it's only been bugfixes since then.03:40
pisukeWebMaven, there's a disease called D.U.H. (Dementia Upgradia Habitua)03:40
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pisukesome of us are badly affected03:41
WebMavenRoBLiNuX, unless there is some *very good* reason for wanting the most recent version released (like a particularl mission-critical or security bugfix), I'd suggest *not* trying to stay on the bleeding edge.03:41
thoreauputicpisuke: but not as badly as certain people with Gentooitis ;)03:41
Amaranthpisuke: I've have that. :P03:41
RoBLiNuXI opened my firefox-installer after i saved it to my home directory and extracted , and it installed itself into /home/username/firefox-installer but how do i open it in the future03:41
AmaranthGCC pulled from CVS and compiled yesterday? no problem!03:42
thoreauputicRoBLiNuX: just give it a launcher with the full path to the executable - should work fine03:42
WebMavenWell, now you probably need to run the installer.03:42
RoBLiNuXthoreauputic, don't understand03:43
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WebMaventhoreauputic, I think he just extracted the installer, but didn't run it yet.03:43
RoBLiNuXI just ran it now03:44
thoreauputicRoBLiNuX: umm... you can make your own icon for it and launch it that way - after you run the installer03:44
WebMaven(mind you, I haven't done this myself)03:44
RoBLiNuXinstalled, firefox just opened03:44
RoBLiNuXby itself03:44
thoreauputicor add it to the menu or whatever03:44
RoBLiNuXi heard i gotta add it with the menu editor03:44
Dekkardim waitin03:45
kensaiIs Xorg near?03:45
WebMavenRoBLiNuX, you don't have to use an editor.03:45
WebMavenRoBLiNuX, you can add items to menus by right-clicking on them.03:45
RoBLiNuXWebMave, what I use then03:46
thoreauputicRoBLiNuX: is this in Ubuntu, or Xandros?03:46
RoBLiNuXXandros right now03:46
WebMavenIs Xandros using Gnome?03:46
thoreauputicwell, that's a different story/distro03:46
Treenakskensai: you have to send a written, signed promise to daniels and fabbione that you'll buy them several items from their on-line wishlists... that might speed it up :)03:46
chibifsOf course Xandros is using gnome :P03:46
kensaiTreenaks: maybe some beers?03:47
chibifsXandros built a lot of the cool things in gnome03:47
RoBLiNuXI just finish installing it, theres no KDE at this point03:47
chibifsEvolution? :P03:47
WebMaventhen you should be able to add an item to a menu by right-clicking.03:47
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Treenakskensai: only after they're done, of course03:47
wasabiDoes ubuntu have a friendly pppoe setup?03:47
kensaiTreenaks: yeah LOL03:47
Treenakswasabi: pppoeconfig03:47
RoBLiNuXyes :)03:48
WebMavenRoBLiNuX, go the your Applications/Internet (or whatever) menu, and right-click.03:48
wasabiTreenaks, is it in a menu, and GUIish?03:48
thoreauputicRoBLiNuX: asking Xandros questions in #ubuntu is kind of risky...03:48
wasabiTreenaks, this is going to be used by a barely computer literate person.03:48
Treenakswasabi: it's not in a menu, and Curses-ish03:48
Treenakswasabi: "it looks just like the installer"03:48
WebMaventhoreauputic, technically, it's a Gnome question at this point.03:49
RoBLiNuXlet me see WebMaven, thanks03:49
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thoreauputicWebMaven: technically, Xandros changes all kinds of stuff03:49
WebMavenRoBLiNuX, the popup menu should say 'this menu >'03:49
thoreauputicWebMaven: your assumption may or may not be correct in other words03:50
RoBLiNuXwhats the name of  the firefox that i need for the menu03:50
WebMavendepends on whwre the installer put it.03:51
WebMavendid it say?03:51
weaselloI'm having trouble installing Webmin/Apache2. Anyone here have experience with this?03:52
RoBLiNuXI right click and its like left click03:53
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cosmoperishi every one!03:53
cosmoperisI need some help03:53
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cosmoperisI've just installed my ubuntu03:54
cosmoperisand I don't want start X when I reboot03:55
thoreauputicRoBLiNuX: /join #xandros  is my suggestion03:55
cosmoperisI just want a console loggin03:55
WebMavenRoBLiNuX, I'm sorry, perhaps you should try the xandros channel.03:55
RoBLiNuXmaybe I should go back to Ubuntu03:55
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Dekkardthat is indeed a good question03:56
thoreauputiccosmoperis: echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager03:56
cosmoperisok thank you thoreauputic03:57
thoreauputiccosmoperis: you will need to sudo03:57
thoreauputiccheck that file to see what it contains first - that's a debian solution03:58
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cosmoperisthoreauputic: ok, I'm gonna try, thank you :)03:59
RoBLiNuXYea i'm gonna go back with Ubuntu ;)03:59
RoBLiNuXI like it better for somereason03:59
thoreauputiccosmoperis: OK - you're welcom - hope it works for you03:59
RoBLiNuXBut this is volutanrily support for whoever needs help, so just because you using Mandrake and I know the answer to question I'm not gonna give it to you, its true this is for Ubuntu, but Xandros is also Debian based and my question was going for ubuntu and xandros but you are right though04:00
mrjiveif i plug-in a usb pen everything is ok, it is recognised and mounted, but if the pen is already in before boot, ubuntu does not seem to see it... any idea?04:00
thoreauputicRoBLiNuX: just a question of asking those most likely to know, that's all04:01
danielskensai: i haven't been looking at IRC because I've been drafting an X.Org announcement mail; Fabio hasn't been looking at IRC because he's preparing the very last bits for the final upload04:01
AmaranthThat right there is my reason for switching to hoary.04:02
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wasabiUbuntu is going to Xorg soon?04:02
crimsunthat's an interesting reason for switching04:02
wasabiWill those packages make it into sid first? :)04:02
Amaranthcrimsun: ATI driver support. :)04:03
crimsunwasabi: both Sid and Hoary will have X.Org. I presume the latter first.04:03
wasabiWhy the latter first? Seems that it could be pushed to experimental first.04:04
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crimsunwasabi: I'm not privy to the details.04:05
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RoBLiNuXSorry about that04:06
RoBLiNuXmy trillian froze04:06
RoBLiNuXI'm going back to Ubuntu see you guys in how long?04:07
thoreauputicRoBLiNuX: use xchat, mate04:07
RoBLiNuXyes but I'm on XP right now04:07
RoBLiNuXon my laptop and my desktop right next to me04:08
thoreauputicRoBLiNuX: there's an xchat for windows too04:08
RoBLiNuXlet me google it04:08
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Amaranthwasabi: Hoary is about as experimental as you can get. :)04:08
RoBLiNuXbrb folks04:08
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gwildor_hi hi room04:10
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LinuxJonesgwildor_, hi04:10
gwildor_can anyone tell me what XIMIAN is?04:10
AmaranthXimian used to be a company that works on GNOME.04:10
LinuxJonesgwildor_, It's a gnome based Desktop Environment04:10
gwildor_oh, thnx04:10
AmaranthNow it's a part of Novell that works on Mono and Novell Desktop Linux.04:11
LinuxJonesgwildor_, It's now owned by Novell04:11
gwildor_:) thank you all04:11
Amaranthok, brb04:11
Amaranthdropping to a terminal to upgrade04:12
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RobLinuxHello I'm back04:12
RobLinuxI just installed XChat only 30days free ah to bad04:12
georgiaRobLinux: either dont use the win32 version, or get one of the unofficial builds if the sharewareness bothers you04:13
RobLinuxGoing to install ubuntu now04:13
RobLinuxSo Ubuntu is only gnome?04:14
port7the defalt install is gnome 2.804:14
RobLinuxno KDE ?04:15
crimsunyou can install KDE04:15
crimsunthe default is GNOME04:15
LinuxJonesRobLinux, it's not only Gnome but Gnome is the only one that is supported.04:15
port7kde is in the univers repository04:16
RobLinuxSo KDE is not supported yet or its only a gnome based?04:16
port7you can apt-get install kde04:16
RobLinuxIf I can't install firefox, I wouldn't know how to apt-get install kde yet either04:16
RobLinuxCurious question ... why out of Suse 9.1, Xandros Desktop OS 2.0 Open Circulation Ed., Ubuntu, Lormalinux (Redhat Based), Yoper, Slackware 10.0, Mandrake 10.0 and 10.1, only Suse, Xandros, Ubuntu, Lorma and Yoper work04:18
LinuxJonesRobLinux, you should look @ the faq page before you do the install :)04:18
RobLinuxThanks :) yea thats what I'm gonna start doing reading before I start playing with Linux I suppose04:19
RobLinuxAnd try to find the best distro for me04:19
ryanthat would be a wise plan04:19
LinuxJonesRobLinux, do you have the Ubuntu Live CD ?04:19
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LinuxJonesRobLinux, it would be best to play around with it for a few days to get a feel for it :)04:20
RobLinuxI'm installing it already lol play like that better ?04:20
LinuxJonesRobLinux, hee trial by fire :D04:20
RobLinuxI tried Slax, MandrakeMove and I like it so thats why I went on and downloaded/burned slackware and mandrake but during installation they have problems04:21
RobLinuxhee trial by fire?04:21
LinuxJonesRobLinux, what kind of problems ?04:21
RobLinuxI like Gaim so thats what I want to get for Linux box, I won't be using IRC much here04:21
RobLinuxOk let me see04:21
RobLinuxSlackware (installation would go through it was hard/complicated and then at the end would be retarded i dont even know how to explain all i know) at the very end of installation where you have to exit + reboot + enter something like that04:22
RobLinuxthen it restarts into a black sreen and says GRUB_04:22
RobLinuxand just stays there, Yoper didnt work before and it was giving me the samething but I managed yesterday I suppose ..04:23
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RobLinuxMandrake 10.0 just wouldnt go through installation at all, 10.1 would go up to partitioning but I tried different things to partition and it wouldnt do it (somehow CD1) seems to be messed up maybe? even though i downloaded via bittorrent and linuxiso.org04:24
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Mojo_Jojohey, I was wondering how I can change my desktop to 32bpp(that right?)04:26
RobLinuxso now I'm just too stressed, and I just want to find a good, user-friendly, I can make it look the way I want either gnome or kde, something with good support like you guys for example, stable, fast for my slow system and when time is right maybe think about dual-boot on my fast pc, something I can do all or if not most of the things I do in windows (Download Music, Programs, Videos, etc, chat, send/receive files, emails, s04:26
RobLinuxurf, )04:26
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RobLinuxSomething like Yoper says ... Complete. Linux. Redefined . Fast, Powerful, Stable!04:27
kensaidaniels: thanks for X.org04:27
ryanMojo_Jojo: you probably just want to set it to "24"04:27
danielskensai: any time04:27
gwildor_robolinux, I feel much better with ubuntu than yoper04:27
RobLinuxWhat you think LinuxJones04:27
RobLinuxgwildor, really why04:27
LinuxJonesMojo_Jojo, it's easiest to just hand edit your /etx/X11/XF86Config file. It is set Default Depth from 16 to 2404:27
kensaidaniels: so It can be uploaded when?04:27
Mojo_Jojoryan, yeah but i've been having problems with UT an dit was suggested I try it at 3204:27
ryanwhich is 32 bit mode minus a few rarely used alpha channels iirc04:28
Mojo_JojoLinuxJones, how safe is it to edit?04:28
LinuxJonesMojo_Jojo, 32 bits is really only 24 bits plus and alpha channel04:28
gwildor_robolinux, idk, yoper made me feel like I was still playing with windows, only less04:28
Mojo_Jojowtf is an alpha channel (newbie)04:28
danielskensai: likely within half an hour04:28
gwildor_robolinux, and ubuntu made me say "i really like linux"04:28
cardadordaniels: amazing!04:29
LinuxJonesMojo_Jojo, open a gnome-terminal session and type sudo -s (will get you admin piviliges) enter your user password04:29
TreenaksMojo_Jojo: "transparancy level", basically04:29
kensaidaniels: yeah! so it would be that easy as apt-get install xorg?04:29
RobLinuxnice, everybody likes a different I must say ;)04:29
danielskensai: apt-get dist-upgrade04:29
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danielsor smart upgrade in synaptic04:29
kensaidaniels: thanks! better04:29
ryangwildor_: you should be able to make that distinction with the kernel on any distro ;)04:29
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Elwoodkensai,  news about xorg??04:29
gwildor_roblinux, and in ubuntu I easily found an alternative to everything I do in windows04:29
Mojo_JojoLinuxJones, ok now what? oh ok Treenaks :)04:29
LinuxJonesMojo_Jojo, It is for masking graphics afaik04:29
RobLinuxgwilder, how04:30
gwildor_ryan, it just how it made me "FEEL"04:30
gwildor_roblinux, apt-get.....synaptic04:30
LinuxJonesMojo_Jojo, nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-404:30
kensaiElwood: ???04:30
theineAnybody using Hoary having sound problems that are solved by issuing ``killall esd''?04:30
Mojo_Jojolooks like I have lots to learn haha04:30
ryangwildor_: well that would be the distro itself, not just the kernel :] 04:30
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RobLinuxI'm here in the installation saying Ubuntu Configuration .. enter the full name I'm suppose to put my username or my real name04:30
Mojo_JojoLinuxJones, ok :D i;m init :D04:30
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kensaiElwood: what are you trying to say?04:30
RobLinuxnice gwildor,  must try that hen04:30
Elwoodkensai,  i saw you talking about xorg release for ubuntu...what do u know?04:30
kensaiElwood: it would probably be up in half an hour04:31
LinuxJonesMojo_Jojo, arrow down till you see the Video/Monitor section and look for the setting for DefaultDepth04:31
gwildor_ryan, that's what I was saying, I fell a lot better about ubuntu than yoper04:31
kensaiElwood: Thanks daniels for his great effort04:31
Elwoodkensai,  can i prepare champagne to have a prty?04:31
Mojo_Jojook, so now I just change it and longout then in?04:31
Elwooddaniels, u will soon have  monument on my case :)04:31
RobLinuxbut I gotta say Yoper is the fastest thing I ever used04:31
kensaiElwood: make sure daniels is invited ;)04:31
LinuxJonesMojo_Jojo, change the 16 to 24 then hit <crtl> x , then hit enter04:32
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RobLinuxWindows just slow over time04:32
ryangwildor_: you said it made you really like linux...the kernel is still linux on any distro ;)04:32
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gwildor_roblinux, I had to install my p2p app from a .deb, but it was cake04:32
RobLinuxAnd I'm bored with it04:32
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RobLinuxgwildor, you need to hook me up with that so I can learn how to run p2p with linux04:33
gwildor_ryan, yes, but yoper was pushing me back to just using windows, ubntu made me drop my windows install all together04:33
Mojo_JojoLinuxJones, it was already set to 24:s04:33
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kensaiI'll play around more ut2004 until xorg is out LOL04:33
LinuxJonesMojo_Jojo, then you are all set :)04:33
gwildor_roblinux, let me hit google, so I can remember what I am using, (windows box at work atm) but ill help ya out04:33
ryangwildor_: well then its just ubuntu that you really like on that level, compared to yoper04:33
RobLinuxthanks ;)04:33
gvlanyone home?04:34
LinuxJonesMojo_Jojo, if your gaming 16 bit will be MUCH faster04:34
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Mojo_Jojook, so I guess it didn't need editing, but is it still safe to chnage to32?04:34
gwildor_ryan, that's what I said to begin with04:34
LinuxJonesMojo_Jojo, nooo04:34
jangadoes anyone how to get unrar for ubuntu?04:34
cardadorRobLinux: xmule, amule, LimeWire, Apollon, etc, etc04:34
Mojo_Jojobut isnt 2/32 better?? i've never had a problem in slackware04:34
cardadorjanga: install unrar-nonfree from synaptic04:34
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RobLinuxI'm downloading those internet stuff you need before finishing installation , I mean I did finish because the cd is out already04:34
ryanLinuxJones: not necessarily04:34
LinuxJonesMojo_Jojo, 32 bit in Windows is only 24 bit + alpha channel same as Linux04:34
Mojo_Jojonoo as in dont change it to 32?04:34
RobLinuxcardador thanks04:34
ryanLinuxJones: some games will perform faster in 32bit mode than in 1604:34
LinuxJonesryan, which ones ?04:35
ryanLinuxJones: particularly because certain functions aren't accellerated in 16bit mode04:35
jangacardador: what repository?04:35
RobLinuxI've used emule for windows and it just stays there very hard to download04:35
ryanLinuxJones: depending on your graphics card of course04:35
RobLinuxI've used arez galaxy, or ares lite, and filecroc and thats really nice ... and bittorrent is a must04:35
LinuxJonesryan, I only play Q3 and I get 50 fps more in 16bit vs. 24bit04:35
RobLinuxkazaalite resurrection should be available for linux04:35
kensaieverybody downloaded firefox 1.0 final?04:35
RobLinuxLimewire gotta try it I have it here havent used it04:36
Mojo_JojoLinuxJones, this might explain my problem http://justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=779033#post77903304:36
ryanLinuxJones: well, everything works better for me in 24 bit mode ;)04:36
ryanmost likely because my nvidia card does more accelleration at 24bit level than 1604:36
cardadorjanga: enable universe and multiverse04:36
alexeyDoes somebody know a program which can be used for drawing maps for table-top RPG?04:37
RobLinuxmy friend was telling me Debian is the most stable distro, but its hard . So now Ubuntu is in existance with the most stable but not hard right its hard of course at first since you never seen it but once you get the hang of it you are gonna be running for long ?04:37
gwildor_roblinux, I don't remember what it is called, nor can I find it atm, ill have to let you know when I get home, ill look a bit more04:37
cardadorRobLinux: you can use the kazaa network with Apollon04:37
LinuxJonesMojo_Jojo, I have the same graphics card (which sucks :D)04:37
RobLinuxno problem.04:37
RobLinuxwhat instant messaging programs Ubuntu comes wth again?04:38
Mojo_Jojoit's better then my old card;)04:38
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Mojo_JojoI might get a new one after chrismas :D04:38
gwildor_roblinux, gaim04:39
ryanLinuxJones: i'm surprised you get better performance in quake3 in 16bit mode with an fx520004:39
RobLinuxwhat unstable and stable means in the linux world?04:39
RobLinuxgwildor, thanks yes I like gaim :)04:39
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LinuxJonesryan, easily better performance04:39
jangacardabor: thx, found it!04:39
daniels(topicdiff: minus 'no X.Org, please wait', plus 'X.Org unleashed into hoary')04:39
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ryanLinuxJones: you're using the nvidia drivers...right?04:39
gwildor_CD"S ARE SHIPPING04:40
kensaiMicrosoft paid Novell $536 million dollars today. Bill gates is less millionare today ;) LOL04:40
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ryanyay xorg04:40
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sugoruyohi anyone there?04:41
gwildor_is xorg or xfree better for a newb?04:41
Mojo_Jojowell I have go but i'll be back shortly and maybe I can get this damn thing working right :D bye and thats LinuxJones and ryan :D04:41
gwildor_xfree is treating my ati card ok atm04:41
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kensaigwildor_: is the same thing xorg is faster though04:41
RobLinuxSo how can Ubuntu be compared with Suse, Yoper, Mandrake, Slackware, Xandros, RedHat based?04:42
Kamionbob2: anna/choose_modules=archive-copier was from a very old mail of mine and doesn't apply any more; in any case, it did the exact opposite of what was being requested04:42
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Kamionbob2: the correct modern advice is archive-copier/copy=false04:42
ryando you have to manually remove xfree and then install xorg04:42
gwildor_roblinux, I have only used yoper and ubuntu.....so that's all I can tell you04:42
ryanmanual meaning dpkg --purge04:43
RobLinuxgwildor, how long you been using linux04:43
RobLinuxI'm a newbie and I have a week playing with different distros04:43
kensaiUbuntu just rocks and doesn't compare04:43
gwildor_roblinux, bout a month, month and a half04:43
kensaiRobLinux: for stable go with ubuntu04:43
thoreauputicdoes ubuntu have a firewall by default ( I mean something like firestarter that's easy for newbs, not iptables)04:44
kensaiRobLinux: I'll use yoper again in my other HDD when they switch to xorg04:44
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ryanand i didn't think that was that long..04:44
RobLinuxisn't Unstable and Stable a different meaning in linux world?04:44
gwildor_thoreauputic, I'm not sure, but it is my understanding that you don't need one, ubuntu ha no open ports04:44
RobLinuxkensai, cool when will that be?04:44
aran_anyone know when we get Firefox 1.0?04:45
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thoreauputicgwildor_: right, assuming you don't install services etc that would make sense04:45
gwildor_aran_, whenever you want, mozilla.org04:45
RobLinuxfirefox 1.0 is out already04:45
kensaiRobLinux: really don't know they are now concerning by total compatibility wit windows which is Good. I am on yoper developers team. But this is offtopic ;)04:46
gwildor_but I would assume that firefox 1.0 would be in hoary soon04:46
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kensaiRobLinux: I am running Firefox 1.0 final for about half an hour04:46
aran_i meant in synaptic... the more packages we choose to take out of synaptic's control, the harder everything becomes to maintain04:47
kensaigwildor_: you assume right04:47
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gwildor_kensai, you yoper and ubuntu dev?04:47
kensaigwildor_: nope just yoper04:47
gwildor_aran_, twil be soon04:48
aran_just wondering...04:48
gwildor_kensai, I was gonna talk to andreas about distributing yoper cd's for the usa (mail them when ppl order), but then I switched to Ubuntu04:48
RobLinuxgwildor, you can always keep the peace with both (I hope it doesn't hurt)04:49
elw0odnow i can do apt-ge installa xorg?04:49
danielselw0od: not yet, has to get built by the buildds and propagate to the archive04:49
danielselw0od: wait a couple of hours04:49
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gwildor_daniels, hours??, ubuntu ppl work hard for us, huh04:50
danielsgwildor_: well, what happens is that the source package got uploaded04:50
kensaigwildor_: just don't tell andreas tou are using UBUNTU LOL04:50
danielsgwildor_: now the i386, amd64 and powerpc build daemons have to notice and go 'oh, stuff I haven't built yet'04:50
danielsgwildor_: and build them (which takes a while -- it's big)04:50
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danielsgwildor_: then they get uploaded, and then the archive gets mirrored to the main public server04:51
danielsgwildor_: all this takes time04:51
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elw0oddaniels, ok..but there is an how to if i want to build my own packages?04:51
danielselw0od: why would you bother?04:51
kensaidaniels: I am using K7 kernel it won't matter right? I'm speaking of xorg04:51
gwildor_daniels, ok thanks04:51
danielskensai: not at all04:51
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jazzkahow can I install eclipse in ubuntu?04:51
danielselw0od: unless you're running some amazing pre-release amd64 hardware no-one's even heard of yet, it will be in the archive before you can build it04:51
gwildor_kensai, why?, he wouldn't be upset would he?04:51
jazzkawhich lines do I need to add to sources.list to install it?04:52
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elw0oddaniels, sure, i was speaking in general...not referred to xorg04:52
diemandaniels: i've got a 8-way opteron box in the mail, as far as i know04:52
danielselw0od: google for debian build package howto04:52
Sophisticationwow this little grew fast :)04:52
ryandaniels: ah two hours04:52
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danielsdieman: sadly the crap imake system won't parallelise04:53
diemandaniels: $26k of yummy, 8-way, 32gb/memory goodness.04:53
danielsdieman: *nice*.04:53
kensaigwildor_: believe me he gets upset ;)04:53
danielsdieman: i'll swap you that for concordia (up, 2gb)04:53
diemanwe will see how happy it is when it gets here.04:53
diemandaniels: heh, its the univ's box ;)04:53
danielsdieman: where should I send my SSH key to?04:53
kensaigwildor_: If I tell him I'm using Ubuntu he'll fired me from devel team04:53
diemandaniels: i might be able to negoiatiate that in the summers when it wont be used much at all04:53
gwildor_kensai, hmm, maybe, if the distro picks back up, ill give it another go, maybe04:54
diemandaniels: it would make one hell of a build machine.04:54
elw0oddaniels, ok it's the same of debian. i know how04:54
RobLinuxoff topic question::: is it true that on irc theres no use of lol, or aol talk "Pr3ttyB0y" << my username04:54
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danielsRobLinux: absolutely04:54
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dieman09:51 < jazzka> how can I install eclipse in ubuntu?04:54
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dieman09:51 < jazzka> how can I install eclipse in ubuntu?04:54
jazzkahow do I know if a package is is main, restricted, universe or multiverse?04:54
diemanwrong paste04:54
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dieman09:51 < jazzka> how can I install eclipse in ubuntu?04:54
diemanstupid thing04:54
gwildor_kensai, WOW, that's not cool, he'd fire you, kinda upsetting04:55
jazzkadieman, what do you mean?04:55
thoreauputicRobLinux: unless you enjoy being mercillessly flamed of course :)04:55
diemanjazzka: i was trying to paste out of a vnc session04:55
diemanjazzka: it wasn't working right.04:55
RobLinuxdaniels: so I can't use my username "Pr3ttyB0y" I'll have to use it like "PrettyBoy" ?04:55
diemanthe hoary release ran our ftp server out of inodes04:55
kensaigwildor_: right thats why me using buntu is a secret04:55
kensaigwildor_: I hope they are not spying me right now LOL04:55
gwildor_kensai, shhhhhhhh04:55
Kamionthe *hoary* release? :)04:56
thoreauputicRobLinux: you don't *have* to: just some ppeople will think it's lame04:56
diemans/release/release to archive/04:56
danielsRobLinux: i strongly suggest RobLinux04:56
gwildor_kensai, what is funny is I heard 'bout ubuntu on yoper forums04:56
danielsdieman: cool04:56
bagpussjazzka: apt-cache madison <package>04:57
KamionRobLinux: the channel is much more readable when people actually use real English04:57
RobLinuxdaniels: why lol04:57
thoreauputicI second daniels suggestion04:57
gwildor_as do i04:57
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Kamiondieman: ah04:57
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RobLinuxRobLinux / PrettyBoy = Me :)04:57
ryani third daniel04:57
thoreauputicRobLinux: it labels you to use supposedly 1337 names04:57
Guest3659http://www.geocities.com/neotechtv/rafi.zip <--- real tv programe tv6 sexshow (israel)04:57
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ryanyay spam04:58
kensaigwildor_: hehe is their site back online?04:58
RobLinuxI don't get that 1337 names?04:58
gwildor_kensai, that was a few months ago04:58
KamionRobLinux: it's an excessively Pr3ttyB0y-ish spelling of "elite"04:58
gwildor_kensai, no there iste isnt back up04:58
KamionRobLinux: sarcastic usage; generally refers to people who think they're "elite" but in fact aren't even close to it04:59
RobLinuxtrue.. how about just PrettyBoy04:59
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kensaiUbuntu is the first distro I have used a month straight and is not going to be removed no no04:59
Kamionthat's fine, although it does come across as a little arrogant :-)04:59
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spacey`kimaybe he means it sarcastic :p05:00
RobLinuxI'll stay with this then :)05:00
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kensaiOnly thing that upsets me about ubuntu is that i386, which is i486 but I love everything more that i686 ;)05:00
ryani used debian for over two years on my desktop at one point05:01
elw0odkensai,  what have u tried before?05:01
RobLinuxI'm gonna log on my linux box with RobLinux_ thats fine?05:01
RobLinuxor Majestic05:01
jazzkabagpuss, I dont get any output when doing: apt-cache madison eclipse-sdk05:01
kensaielw0od, distros?05:01
elw0odkensai,  yes05:01
RobLinuxI'll switch here to majestic and my linux into roblinux05:01
thoreauputicjazzka: wrong command, for a start05:01
KamionRobLinux: lower case is usually a good plan, but your usernames are entirely up to you05:01
jazzkathoreauputic, can you help me?05:02
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kensaielw0od, onebaselinux, sourcemage, gentoo05:02
jazzkaI would like to install eclipse on ubuntu05:02
kensaielw0od: and I'm on yoper devel team05:02
thoreauputicjazzka: apt-cache search <packagename>05:02
elw0odkensai,  interesting :)05:02
bagpussthoreauputic: man apt-cache :)05:02
gwildor_kensai, do you even have a yoper instal atm???05:02
RobLinuxno problem05:02
thoreauputicbut I doubt eclipse will be in your sources anyway05:02
jazzkathoreauputic, apt-cache doesnt find anything05:03
kensaigwildor_: nope05:03
thoreauputicbagpuss: I try to avoid RTFM here :)05:03
bagpussthoreauputic: for what HE wants he has the right command05:03
kensaigwildor_: until 2.3 gets released it is near05:03
thoreauputicjazzka: well, eclipse is clearly not there then05:03
RobLinuxWhy ubuntu takes so long ?05:03
bagpussjazzka: apt-cache seems to know nothing about a package called "eclipse-sdk"05:03
gwildor_kensai, lol...........im telling andreas.......hahaha05:03
thoreauputicbagpuss: ? I don't follow you - apt-cache madison.... etc does what??05:04
kensaigwildor_: it will feature a graphical installer and you can install .exe with just clicking it05:04
jazzkaok, then I will have to look for it manually05:04
Kamionkensai: .exe as in Windows executables?05:04
kensaigwildor_: I don't like the windows program install by just clicking it05:05
gwildor_kensai, really, noobs will flock, err.......05:05
RobLinuxis there a way to have your username saved on ubuntu ?05:05
KamionRobLinux: "saved"?05:05
kensaiKamion: yeah but I don't want that05:05
gwildor_kensai, I don't think it will impress me05:05
bagpussthoreauputic: I'm not going to paste it from the manpage.  Try it or look it up05:05
kensaigwildor_: I just fear spyware will be instaleld as easy as in windows05:05
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ryankensai: i believe redhat had the ability to "directly execute" windows executables years ago05:06
kensaiLets make a xorg in ubuntu launch party05:06
ryanwhich is just a wrapper of some sorts for wine05:06
Kamionryan: it's trivial on anything derived from Debian05:06
Kamionryan: install wine and binfmt-support, voila, just works05:06
ryanbut don't take my word for it05:06
kensairyan: yeah ity sucks05:06
ryani just saw it one day while surfing around random places, i haven't used redhat since 200005:07
Kamion(obviously, it's fairly easy to turn off too ...)05:07
kensaithe first to know xorg is in apt gets the pize ;)05:07
ryankensai: write the cheque out to 'cash' please ;)05:08
kensairyan, hehe05:08
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thoreauputicbagpuss: OK got it - thanks :)05:09
ryani'm apt-get updating :P05:09
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kensairyan, why use command if GUI is there?05:10
ryanwhy use a gui if a command is there?05:10
elvstonehm, does ubuntu come with a cross-compiler? i'm interested in using a couple of ubuntu machines to speed up compilation of FreeBSD ports on another machine.05:10
elvstone(using distcc).05:10
kensairyan, well cause I see something beautifull05:11
Kamionno, you'll generally have to build cross-compilers yourself05:11
elvstoneKamion: ok, damn.05:11
Kamionthere are too many combinations for us to supply them pre-built, I'm afraid05:11
ryanelvstone: oh; are you using the freebsd 5.3 release candidates?05:11
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RobLinuxI'm back05:11
elvstoneryan: no, i'm compiling RELENG_5_3 right now.05:11
RobLinuxon Ubuntu :)05:11
ryanelvstone: i just came from freebsd 5.3rc1 actually05:12
ryanelvstone: more or less05:12
kensaitheres some gnome updates already out which are good05:12
ryani run openbsd and netbsd on my servers05:12
elvstoneme too.05:13
ryannice :)05:13
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kensaixorg-driver-synaptic is there now05:14
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kensaibut xorg can't be installed yet :(05:14
ryankensai: if you find it you can't recieve the prize because you're a member of the ...uh...prize commitee!05:15
b00giexorg is available for debian and ubuntu?05:15
kensairyan: LOL05:15
danielsb00gie: only ubuntu05:16
kensaithats why ubuntu rocks ^05:16
danielskensai: fwiw, on concordia (a stupidly fast amd64 box -- it blocks on IO while building X), X builds take 32min05:16
danielskensai: on the G5 Xserves, they take 72min05:16
b00giehmm... i thought that ubuntu follow debian packages05:16
danielskensai: not sure how long they typically take on i38605:16
danielskensai: the message here?  patience, padawan05:16
bagpussb00gie: it's not an inviolable rule05:17
danielsb00gie: yes, but we also do our own development05:17
danielsb00gie: in this case, debian is also a lot more work because there are more wacky architectures to support05:17
bagpussubuntu is "okay".  It still has a way to go before it's wonderful though05:17
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danielsso it's extra work on top of the ubuntu packaging05:17
bagpussstill, it appears to be moving the right way05:17
b00gienice nice:)05:17
kensaidaniels: your scaring me man :)05:17
danielskensai: ?05:18
kensaidaniels: because of your messages05:18
danielskensai: i'm confused05:18
kensai<daniels> kensai: not sure how long they typically take on i38605:18
kensai<daniels> kensai: the message here?  patience, padawan05:18
kensaiThat ^^^05:18
danielswell, it will take time05:19
diemanpersonally, i'll wait 6 months for x.org05:19
bagpussI recall building X3.3 on a 33MHz 486.  It's not *that* slow on a halfway modern i386 :)05:19
kensaidieman: HM? why?05:19
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diemankensai: because the next release is oh, 6 months out or so.05:19
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kensaidieman: yeah I know05:19
danielsbagpuss: there's a lot more to x11r6.8 than there was to xfree86 3.305:19
diemani jumped off the crackwagon a long time ago :)05:19
RobLinuxGuess Who's Back05:20
kensaidieman: but why wait?05:20
diemankensai: hmm, might have something with having work to do :)05:20
kensaidieman: AHhhh OK05:20
bagpussdaniels: yes, I know.  I still can't imagine it takes days to build on a multiple GHz x86 though05:20
diemanlike, today I need to move these FAI changes from a vmware test install over to a real machine05:20
danielsbagpuss: no, but it will take around an hour or an hour and a half05:20
diemanand then document how to install with FAI05:21
diemanfor my coworkers.05:21
bagpussthat's hardly any time at all05:21
danielsbagpuss: relative to how long people have been frantically apt-get update'ing for since we uploaded it, it's a fair while05:21
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torporhi all.05:21
bagpussdaniels: *shrug* if they're in that much of a hurry to get it, they shouild have built it themselves :)05:21
torporcan someone tell me how i get ubuntu to update my menu after i've installed some software?05:22
ryani wouldn't frantically apt-get update actually05:22
danielsbagpuss: 'swhat I said05:22
ryanit'll only stress the server05:22
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gwildor_torpor, not all software automagically goes to the menu, have to add it yourself05:22
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bagpusstorpor: use KDE instead of gnome, then it will happen that way05:23
torporyeah, but isn't there some way to tell the launcher to 'rebuild' its menus or something?  i've asked this before, and there was some 'apt-get menu' sorta trick or something, i can't remember ...05:23
danielsbagpuss: good solution05:23
iontewhat's up with getsweaaa? just installed ubuntu. tried to install mono, but there are no mono packages at getsweaaa....?05:23
torpori would prefer to use Gnome if i can, i just want to know how to administer it properly.  seems to me that any decent 'user' distro of linux shouldn't require the user to have to do that admin themselves ...05:23
bagpussdaniels: don't get me started.  The major reason I think ubuntu is broken is gnome :)05:24
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gwildor_kde is available05:24
bagpusstorpor: welcome to gnome05:24
torpori quite like gnome actually.05:24
gwildor_*ding ding*05:24
icuWhen might the new version of ati's fglrx drivers be available?05:24
RobLinuxgwildor: I'm on Ubuntu now :)05:24
gwildor_roblinux, you like?05:25
torporc'mon, someone tell me the apt-get menu trick.  i know there is one.05:25
torpori asked before, and did it, but i can't remember ...05:25
danielsicu: fglrx doesn't support x11r6.8 in any version, iirc05:25
danielsbagpuss: good for you05:25
thoreauputictorpor: I believe the devs decided not to use the debian menu system because it was too much... I may be wrong but I think jdub said something of the kind05:25
RobLinuxgwildor: Yes05:25
gwildor_thoreauputic, yes, something like "it makes the menus HUGE"05:25
icudaniels: Is there an alternative driver for ati cards?05:25
gwildor_icu, the default with ubuntu gives me 4k fps05:26
danielsicu: yes, it's called 'radeon' and it ships with ubuntu05:26
torporokay i guess the other question is, where do i find a proper keymap for my titanium powerbook keyboard?  the default one blows chunks of monkey butt cheese.05:26
gwildor_icu, radeon 7000 64mb05:26
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gwildor_daniels, I used "ati", I don't recall there being a "radeon"05:27
icugwilder: When I had my default install I got a fraction of the frames compared to with the fglrx driver running a mobility 900005:27
danielsgwildor_: ati just loads radeon as a submodule, they're effectively one and the same05:27
gwildor_icu, oh yeah, I had to comment out a line in xfree86-4, or whatever05:28
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gwildor_daniels, kk, I ddidnt know, im a newb, was just saying that im not too sure that there is RADEON, only ATI05:28
icugwildor_: Can you find that line, thanks a lot, I tried getting it to work before without any luck.05:28
gwildor_icu, paste me that file, ill tell you05:29
gwildor_icu, atleast what I had to do05:29
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icuk i'll have to setup the radeon drivers again cause i'm running the fglrx ones05:29
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gwildor_icu, kk05:29
thoreauputictorpor: apt-cache show menu   perhaps?05:29
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torporwhats a good IDE for ubuntu then?  i'm a 'vi/makefile' kind of programmer (C/C++) but i wanna try one of those new-fangled linux IDE's that're out there now ...05:32
travisI just tried updating to hoary and during apt-get upgrade it fails because scrollkeeper-update segfaults. Is this a known issue? I can't seem to find it on bugzilla.05:33
gwildor_I have a question, I isntalled from the preview cd 2 days ago, how do I update to warty, but not hoary?05:34
gwildor_err, re-installed05:34
travisgwildor_: Try apt-get upgrade.05:34
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spencer_is there a good x configurator out there for ubuntu/debian?05:35
cardadortorpor: check out Anjuta. its very good05:35
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danielsspencer_: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree8605:36
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drakonimhi all,  anyone know how to map a custom command to a key-combo / mouse button ?  (hoary/gnome)05:37
torporcardador: thanks, i'm checking it out now ...05:37
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drakonimthe keyboard shortcuts thing is useles... only lets me do some predefined gnome tasks05:37
cardadortorpor: and if you use it along with Glade, you get smt similar to Visual c++05:38
noneusi had no such problem. i upgraded 30min ago.05:39
travisnoneus: with hoary?05:39
RobLinuxWOW!!! I like Ubuntu so much now... I'm loving the Evolution Mail05:39
zenwhenUbuntu inclides everything needed to have a wonderful useful Gnome desktop.05:40
RobLinuxThats why Linux rocks!05:41
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travisscrollkeeper was always a PITA with Debian sid too05:41
torporhow do you do an upgrade?  through synaptic?  i mean, a full system upgrade?05:41
travisbut its been so long I can't remember what I did to fix it back then :P05:41
RobLinuxI like a distro like Ubuntu and Yoper has the best of the best05:41
RobLinuxgood question travis me to want to know05:42
travistorpor: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace warty with hoary05:42
gwildor_travis, wont that grab hoary packages?05:42
travistorpor: then apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade05:42
travisgwildor_: No, if you installed from the CD then you are set to use warty packages.05:42
torpori've got warty in there already.  so i sub those with 'hoary' and then go?05:42
travisgwildor_: It will just see if new versions of any of the are available and install them if they are.05:42
travistorpor: Yes.05:43
gwildor_travis, kk, and if I want to grab warty, I do..........?05:43
travistorpor: You should probably know what you are doing.05:43
RobLinuxI've downloaded warty and yes installed it from cd so how does it upgrade?05:43
travisgwildor_: apt-get upgrade....05:43
travisRobLinux: If it was after the official release there aren't any upgrades.05:43
travisRobLinux: And there will only be security updates until you switch to hoary, which I wouldn't do unless you like to see things break.05:44
RobLinuxI just installed it today and when was the official release? I downloaded and burned it like 2days ago05:44
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gwildor_travis, that's what im saying.....if I upgrade ill grap hoary packages,.....i just want hoary05:44
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torpori just want to know if hoary is the latest or if warty is?  which should i be running if i want the latest and greatest?05:45
ftPeter008howdy, is this somewhere where i can ask about getting help setting up my printer?  it's printing with a weird offset that puts the page about 1 inches low in X and Y05:45
gwildor_warty is stable05:45
Kamiontorpor: Hoary is the current development branch.05:45
torporthis means there are bugs and problems then right?05:45
travisgwildor_: If you run apt-get upgrade you will NOT get hoary stuff unless you've editted your /etc/apt/sources.list file.05:46
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travistorpor: Many of them. :)05:46
torpori guess i should just be happy with a stable linux to run on my powerbook ..05:46
cardadortorpor: not too much for me until now :)05:46
spencer_xf86 question again, I can't get out of 640x480 help05:46
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gwildor_travis, I added multiverse, universe, removed CD, and added marilat, am I hoary proof?05:46
travisspencer_: Do you have the drivers for your video card?05:46
georgiatorpor: warty is stable, hoary is the testing one, bleeding edge kinda stuff, not guaranteed to work properly though (as far as i nunderstand it)05:46
torporokay, thanks everyone for the help!05:46
travisgwildor_: Does it say warty or hoary in there?05:46
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torpori'm now gonna work out how to dual-boot into OSX .. fun!  ;)05:47
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spencer_travis, good question05:47
gwildor_travis, idk, windows box at work, but I havent changed that so it should say warty05:47
travisspencer_: ati.com or nvidia.com05:47
spencer_it's an intel integrated card05:47
travisgwildor_: Then it won't get anything from hoary.05:47
travisspencer_: Ouch.05:47
ryanprolly one of those intel810 driver cards05:48
spencer_intel has a driver for it05:48
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ryana friend's machine needed that driver when i was setting it up for him05:49
drakonimthe i810 xf86 module services all the i8xx chipset based graphics cards.  intels driver is pretty useless, it expects some old X versions05:49
ryanit ran about as well as a donkey wearing greased shoes.05:49
drakonimlol ryan05:49
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danielsactually, integrated i810 cards do get stuff from hoary05:50
ryandaniels: do they work better in xorg?05:50
danielsmy i855 gains the ability to start more than one X server at once (kind of handy when you're hacking X servers), and also support for both pipes -> better VGA out support05:50
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danielsryan: yes05:50
ryanany gl? ;)05:50
spencer_this is the line in the device section 'Driver      "i810"'05:51
ChibiI broke it. :/05:51
gwildor_broke what?05:51
travisHeh, I fixed the problem by uninstalling half of GNOME. :/05:51
ChibiMy main ubuntu install. :/05:51
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gwildor_chibi, X broke?05:51
ryantravis: the problem?05:51
gwildor_chibi, happened to me twice05:51
ChibiNo, not X.05:51
travisryan: Problem I was having.05:52
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gwildor_chibi, I had a bit of a network prob as well, dsl running at 56k05:52
ryantravis: what was it?05:52
ChibiNo, a network problem that shouldn't happen.05:52
ChibiIt's direct ethernet. >.>05:52
ryantravis: oh the scrollkeeper thing?05:52
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travisryan: Yeah.05:53
ChibiAnyway, I guess I'll just make some and use this for now.05:53
travisAnd then I appearently fixed it by reinstaling that half of GNOME.05:53
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travisFolks, this is why you don't do a major upgrade like this on anything beyond a minimal system install. :)05:54
travisYou have to bounce things around to get it all working.05:54
ryanunfortunately the variables for thousands of user systems makes it hard for devs to make sure the upgrades go seamlessly05:55
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torporokay i can't figure it out .. how do i get yaboot to boot by default into OSX, not linux?05:56
torporor is there another boot manager in PPC/Linux?05:56
torporsomething i have to do in openfirmware?05:56
ryanmy 'windows box' is a k6-2 300 that isn't working right now because 1. it used to be a pII 400 with usb ports and i have a nice usb mouse for it and the k6-2 doesn't have usb, 2. i don't feel liking digging up a serial mouse (stupid "SuperAT" shite) and 3. i don't feel like putting in the win98 cd while it `finds' all the different stuff on this mobo05:57
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ryanall i was using it for really was powertab editor anyway05:57
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ryanwhich even works in wine, just without midi05:58
ryanphoto evidence!05:59
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ftPeter008is there any word when mozilla 1.0 will be included into the warty packages?06:04
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hypa7iahey boys and girls, i need some help tracking down a kernel header package06:05
ryanftPeter008: you mean firefox 1.0?06:05
ftPeter008ryan: yah, misspoke.06:06
ryanwhich is out today06:06
ryanbtw ;)06:06
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ryanthe FINAL 1.0 build06:06
thoreauputichypa7ia: stab in the dark - substitute linux for kernel06:06
hypa7iathoreauputic: well, in synaptics, it was called kernel-headers-2.6.something06:07
hypa7iai need to find the .deb on the web in windows :-(06:07
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gwildor_lol, I cant even get to mozilla.org06:08
ryanyeah it seems to be going really slow06:08
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ryani'm guessing they're being hit with 8 million people due to the new release06:08
gwildor_kevinrose.com is advertising it as well, its gonna be busy06:09
choong_greetings all, i've been seeing an odd behavior on a laptop i've just installed ubuntu on, wondering if anyone here has seen it:06:09
hypa7iahey, yeah, that explains why mozilla.org is down :-)06:09
jpvcxAnd its on slashdot06:09
hypa7iachoong_: what's it doing?06:09
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ryani'm sure slashdot has mozilla.org under attack too06:09
ryan..and it does06:09
choong_behavior is that gnome login takes thirtyish seconds, firefox start and evolution start about the same06:09
hypa7iamoz has withstood slashdottings before06:09
hypa7iachoong_: warty or hoary?06:10
gwildor_that was before, mozilla gets bigger every day06:10
choong_i've read around on the web a bit but most people reference this behavior relating to resolver issues, which i'm pretty sure i don't have06:10
ryanhypa7ia: but slashdot is surely just one of many large sites advertising it