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JDahlicu, are you using /usr/src/linux-xxx-headers or /usr/src/linux-xxx-source for header include files?12:00
subterrificgen: yes, or until ubuntu updates their packages12:00
GnuHippyI can't run any opengl stuff anymore with x.org and I have the latest nvidia driver installed12:00
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icuJDahl: Whatever /lib/modules/2.6.8.1/build is linked to12:00
genoh an by the way, i can only open 1.0 through the terminal script, is this normal?12:00
lemsx1_gen, not necessarily, if you are in a rush to use 1.0, you can simply put the stuff in /usr/local/firefox-1.0 and make a symlink /usr/local/firefox -> /usr/local/firefox-1.012:00
subterrificgen: hyes12:00
GnuHippymain:rgstereo=0Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".12:00
GnuHippyXlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".12:00
GnuHippyVideo mode set failed: Couldn't find matching GLX visual12:00
genthanks guys12:01
lemsx1_gen, no, i have a .desktop that opens this for me just fine12:01
jjhunperson: I think if you were to delete the interface and then re-add it as a wireless device, then you could change those settings12:01
genwhat command is used12:01
lemsx1_gen, i put the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications and it shows in Gnome's Appications->Internet menu12:01
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subterrificGnuHippy: sounds like you aren't loading the nvidia drivers or something12:01
GnuHippyit is loaded12:01
lemsx1_gen, mv firefox /usr/local/firefox-1.0 && ln -s /usr/local/firefox-1.0 /usr/local/firefox12:01
GnuHippyI seen the splash screen when I booted up12:02
subterrificGnuHippy: is your xorg.conf file setup corrently?12:02
lemsx1_gen, ln -s /usr/local/firefox/firefox /usr/local/bin/firefox12:02
GnuHippyyes12:02
GnuHippyI added xcomposites though12:02
subterrificGnuHippy: it has glx in it?12:02
bigtquestion: can someone help me in networking linux with xp home? i created a share on my xp box but when i type smb://192.168.1.101 i can't access the box from linux12:02
GnuHippyyes12:02
bigtif there is a wiki on this or some other form could you please point me to it thanks12:02
subterrificdid you upgrade to the newest nvidia drivers?12:02
GnuHippyyes12:02
icuJDahl: How do i go about setting it up to use the source?12:02
GnuHippythe latest ones on the site12:02
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x0563511YAY12:03
lemsx1_gen, let me put the .desktop file in a place where you can get it12:03
x0563511i got multiverse to load12:03
subterrificthen you need to use the AllowGLXWithComposite option or something like that12:03
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subterrificgimmie a sec and i'll look it up12:03
icuIsn't the source we're provided unpatched and everything?12:03
GnuHippyok thank you12:03
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britt_radiofreeso everyone's playing with xorg? :)12:03
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nimcbigt, is it supposed to work in ubuntu without anything extra?12:03
subterrificGnuHippy:  Option      "RenderAccel" "true"12:03
subterrific    Option      "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"12:03
GnuHippythank you12:03
subterrificinside the nvidia Device section12:03
subterrificnp12:03
bigti'm not sure12:03
lemsx1_gen, http://www.latinomixed.com/media/firefox.desktop12:04
GnuHippyI already have RenderAccel12:04
subterrifick12:04
britt_radiofreesubterrific, where'd you get xcompmgr?12:04
bigtnever setup a network with linux before12:04
subterrificbritt_radiofree: i don't have xcompmgr on ubuntu, but i use it on my gentoo box12:04
skullbocksnight all12:05
genlem i keep getting mv: when moving multiple files, last argument must be a directory12:05
genTry `mv --help' for more information.12:05
britt_radiofreesubterrific, so you're not actually using xcompmgr for fancy composite features in ubuntu yet?12:05
subterrificbritt_radiofree: right, i use warty in ubuntu, which is still xfree12:05
unpersonuman:  wireless-tools is installed already.12:05
britt_radiofreesubterrific, ah, cool12:06
cardadorbritt_radiofree: i have it on ubuntu12:06
britt_radiofreecardador, did you just grab from cvs?12:06
JDahlicu - I will try it tonight, and let you know if it works..12:06
lemsx1_gen, where did you install firefox? firefox-installer ?12:06
unpersonjjh, Yeah, my guess is that if I remove and re-add it in network settings that'd do it.  I was a bit afraid of messing something up, but I'll try it.  brb.12:06
genwas, then moved to home dir with the directory name firefox12:06
lemsx1_gen, if you did it like that, that's wrong :-)12:07
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lemsx1_gen, ah ok, then use: sudo mv ~/firefox /usr/local/firefox-1.012:07
genmv: missing file argument12:07
genTry `mv --help' for more information.12:07
cardadorwho was i talking with?12:07
lemsx1_gen, then you will need to make a symbolic link: sudo ln -s /usr/local/firefox-1.0 /usr/local/firefox ... the reason for this is that is simpler to upgrade later12:07
lemsx1_gen, can you paste here what command are you typing?12:08
lemsx1_gen, you should just copy/paste what i typed12:08
icuJDahl: I'm trying to apt-get source the kernel image see if that one's good12:08
britt_radiofreecardador, me12:09
britt_radiofreecardador, did you grab from cvs?12:09
lemsx1_gen, better yet, use the firefox-installer and when asked where to install it, just specify: /usr/local/firefox-1.012:09
cardadorbritt_radiofree: add this to sources.list :) deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/12:09
genlemsx1_: when i copied and pasted what you said, that worked, i must have typed it wrong12:09
britt_radiofreecardador, exactly what i was hoping! :)12:09
genlemsx1_: when i tried that in the installer, said i didnt have permission12:09
lemsx1_gen, of course ;-)12:09
cardadorbritt_radiofree: it was provided by daniels, the guy that packaged xorg12:09
lemsx1_gen, you have to use sudo then (or add yourself to "staff": sudo adduser $USER staff)12:10
lemsx1_gen, then you will need to logout and log back in :-)...12:10
genuser being my login name12:10
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lemsx1_gen, yes. and $USER does hold your username (same as $UID)12:11
genoh so no need to type it12:11
genk12:11
lemsx1_gen, but not the ID of course ;-)12:11
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Unfunanyone get winbind to work on warty?12:12
genok12:12
genso i need to relogin12:12
lemsx1_gen, if you add yourself to staff, yes12:12
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lemsx1_gen, for now just use  sudo12:12
jazzkaany visual tool or front-end for diff?12:12
genok12:12
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cardadorbritt_radiofree: when you are done, try  xcompmgr -cCfF -r7 -o.65 -l-10 -t-8 -D7 &12:13
genthanks for your help, linked an icon launcher to /usr/local/firefox-1.0/firefox and works fine now12:14
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lemsx1_gen, the idea is that you should not have to modify the .desktop or your /usr/local/bin/firefox symlink whenever you upgrade again12:15
Temethum, can someone tell me how I can modify de $PATH except un .bashrc .12:15
Temet?12:15
icuHow do I compile external modules for the standard ubuntu kernel?12:15
lemsx1_gen, or if you need to give it to somebody else, they don't need to change it12:15
enablcardador: thats nice12:15
lemsx1_gen, but, it might launch the wrong version of firefox if you have the .deb package installed...12:15
Temeticu ... nvidia drivers ?12:15
icuTemet: ati drivers.12:15
Temetousp12:16
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Temetnot for me icu12:16
Temetsorry12:16
mjrhmh, is linuxthreads used by default for the amd64 port instead of nptl?12:16
GnuHippyis anybody using xcompmgr?12:16
icuIt's bitching about the source not being compatible12:16
genlemsn1_ not sure i understand12:16
cardadorGnuHippy: i am12:16
GnuHippyhow did you get it compiled?12:16
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cardadoradd this to sources.list :) deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/12:17
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GnuHippythanks12:17
cardadornp12:17
GnuHippyis it stable?12:17
IMSoPTemet:  export PATH="$PATH:/some/extra/entry" ?12:17
genlem, do you have aim12:17
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lemsx1_gen, yep. same as my nick here (no underscores of course)12:17
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icuHow do I get a matching copy of the source with all the configs and everything for the running kernel?12:18
cardadorGnuHippy: it crashed me once12:18
genyou aren't on?12:18
GnuHippycool12:18
GnuHippyill try it12:18
pdaousthey, folks, just a quick question: is there any way to get Ubuntu to work with maildirs? I'm interested in using bogofilter, which I believe only works with maildirs, not mbox files.12:18
IMSoPicu:  I believe the config file is in /boot/ or somewhere12:18
icuso just copy that to the kernel source tree?12:19
genlem, what is this .desktop for12:19
pdaousticu: I don't know if there's a specific method for doing it, but you can find the current running kernel number by going:12:19
pdaoustcat /proc/sys/kernel12:19
x0563511you can do something similar12:19
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x0563511that MIGHT let you get the current .config out12:19
riffic<3 hoary12:19
icuI know how to get that, I jsut need an identical copy of the source so that I can compile a module12:20
genlemsx1_ what is this .desktop for12:20
pdaousticu: what's the contents of your /proc/sys/kernel file?12:20
IMSoPicu:  well, if it's the same version of the source, the config should be all you need12:20
icuok12:20
IMSoPunless, there's weird extra modules or something12:20
lemsx1_gen, .desktop is for GNOME/KDE to know what to launch... you can read about this from freedesktop.org12:21
pdaousticu: have you installed the source package yet? It's under linux-source in the repository.12:21
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genwhere does it go lem12:21
lemsx1_gen, put the .desktop file wherever you want... the Desktop is a good place12:21
icupdaoust: Isn't that just the vanilla source or is the patched source?12:21
pdaoustohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh12:21
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pdaousticu: you know, I'm not quite sure ^_^12:21
lemsx1_gen, if you want other users of your computer to use firefox, you should copy it to /usr/share/applications/12:21
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pdaousticu: it's what I installed, assuming it was the Ubuntu kernel12:22
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geni'll be the only user12:22
lemsx1_gen, i'm always on all IMs12:22
icui get the apt-get source of the kernel image package thinking that is the patched version12:22
comfreyhey all, are there ndiswrapper packages for the U?12:22
lemsx1_gen, in that case, then leave it in your desktop12:22
genlemsx1, don't see on12:22
comfreyi am interested in getting the broadcom g wireless card working12:23
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smoYou shouldn't require the source to build a kernel .. just the linux-headers package to match your kernel  (apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`)12:23
despaudio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy12:23
despCould not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.12:23
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despany ideas why?12:23
lemsx1_gen, don't see your desktop?12:23
despthis happens when I try to play something in mplayer12:24
genyes lem12:24
genand made an empty file, named it firefox.desktop12:24
comfreyalso i wonder if anyone has the wireless drivers up and running on the Al powerbooks12:24
genand put that contents inside with gedit12:24
genis this correct?12:24
smodesp: does "pidof esd"  return anything?  You most likely need to select esound as the audo output in mplayer's prefs12:24
lemsx1_smo, linux-heders- or kernel-headers ?12:24
comfreyi would switch to Ubuntu if there were wireless support12:24
ZugwrackNeed some help..downloade the j2re<blah>.bin executable for linux...file shows it to be a Bourne shell text executable...but it don't execute12:25
pdaoustdesp: you're running GNOME, which runs the Enlightened sound daemon, which keeps control of the soundcard at all times. You must have an onboard or bargain-counter sound card like me that doesn't accept multiple sounds at the same time.12:25
genand it turned to the mozilla firefox link, with the correct icon, too12:25
lemsx1_gen, that's correct12:25
jdubcomfrey: no linux distribution supports wireless on those.12:25
smolemsx1: linux-headers ... kernel-image/source/headers are just there to provide a smooth upgrade from woody12:25
desppdaoust: ahh, thanks12:25
despsmo: yup, it does12:25
despsmo: it returns 3273 -- a port number?12:25
ZugwrackI tried ./<filename> sudo ./<filename> <filename> none execute12:25
genyou're a big help lem12:25
desper, doh, a PID.12:25
desp:D12:25
despthx12:25
lemsx1_Zugwrack, chmod 0755 j2re*.bin12:25
smodesp: the process's ID .. it's just enough to show esd is running, so most likely using /dev/dsp12:25
pdaoustdesp: you'll need to configure mplayer to use esd as its audio output... can you at least run the mplayer gui?12:25
comfreyjdub, that is what i was affraid of12:26
Zugwracklemsxl_: Ok I'll try that...12:26
Zugwrackthanks12:26
lemsx1_Zugwrack, or sudo /bin/sh j2re....12:26
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lemsx1_gen, no problem12:26
mawahi12:26
Zugwracklemsxl_: but shouldn't sh already be exported to $PATH?12:26
genlemsx1_ still don't see you online haha, sure you don't have privacy set to bl only?12:26
pdaoustdesp: it's been a while since I used mplayer (I fell in love with xine because it Just Worked for me), I don't remember where it is, but it's configurable from a menu somewhere (i.e., you don't have to go farting around in a config file)12:26
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desppdaoust: right, thanks12:26
mawaI don't seem to get my printer to work with Ubuntu... are there any standard tricks?12:26
pdaoustdesp: no prob!12:27
despalthough when I do mplayer -au help, I don't see esd in the list of available audio outputs12:27
pdaousthmm12:27
despperhaps it's not yet supported in 0.93?12:27
pdaoustoh, maybe not -- I used 1.012:27
despI know it's obsolete, but I can't compile the latest release for PPC/AltiVec -- there are bugs12:27
DespairIs xcompmgr packaged for amd64?12:27
britt_radiofreecardador, nice ... are window fades part of those params?12:27
despI fixed two source files, but a hundred-line macro got me stumped12:27
despit simply does not compile12:27
genafter i do the apt-get upgrade, dist-upgrade etc, how are the packages installed?12:28
genafter downloaded12:28
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pdaoustdesp: heh heh... you're obviously doing something above and beyond my level of knowledge ^_^ I believe that if you use alsa as an output, it won't conflict with esd12:28
smodesp: Did you have libesd0-dev installed when you built it?  It may not have compiled esound support if it couldn't find the required headers12:28
IMSoPZugwrack:  if the file doesn't have an execute bit set, the #!/bin/sh line at the beginning will never have any effect12:28
desppdaoust: thanks anyway, I just killed esd for now :D12:28
despsmo: ah, hm.12:29
pdaoustdesp: hey, if it works, great!12:29
genhey lem12:29
x0563511pdaoust, magic is nice, huh12:29
pdaoustheh heh12:30
pdaoustno doubt12:30
x0563511i love it when things just work12:30
despsmo: you're right, I didn't know I'd need that.12:30
genafter doing apt-get update, upgrade, dist-upgrade etc, for hoary packages, how are they installed after being received?12:30
genanybody12:30
x0563511er12:30
HrdwrBoBgen: what do you mean12:30
HrdwrBoBit's all part of the same process12:30
pdaoustdesp: I believe that, if you use alsa as an output, it will play nice with esd... if your card doesn't support hardware mixing, mplayer will take control of the sound card, but it'll give control back to esd when it's done. What platform are you using?12:30
HrdwrBoBit downloads the packages12:30
HrdwrBoBthen installed them in a sensible order12:30
HrdwrBoBthe configures them12:30
ZugwrackIMSoP: I understand that...but the way it was put was a either or situation in my estimation...ergo my confusion ;-) thanks...12:30
despcan anyone tell me how to change the screen bitdepth in gnome?12:31
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mjrdesp, you don't12:31
desppdaoust: I think I would need to have esd-alsa installed12:31
genhrdwrbob: as in i edited sources.list to get hoary packages for the update, so i did those commands, but they only actually receive the files and not do anything with them correct?12:31
x0563511can we tell what depth is being used?12:31
mjrX doesn't have this capability12:31
despha12:31
pdaoustdesp: ohhhh, you're using esd-oss?12:31
HrdwrBoBgen: no, upgrade will install new packages12:31
desppdaoust: not by choice, that's what was installed for me with warty12:31
x0563511i know ive got 8, 16, and 24 in my x config12:31
ZugwrackHow do I use dkpkg to check and see if sun java was installed?12:32
x0563511but can i tell whats being used?12:32
HrdwrBoBxdpyinfo12:32
mjrx0563511, xdpyinfo12:32
HrdwrBoBwill tell you12:32
despmjr: well...hm. I have garbled output with MPlayers xvidix driver12:32
x0563511command not found12:32
pdaoustdesp: really?!? must be a difference between PPC and x86 -- ALSA works lovely for me.12:32
despmjr: and I recognize it as a conflict with the screen bitdelth12:32
desppdaoust: probably, yeah12:32
x0563511why is everything i need NOT installed by default?12:32
x0563511whois wasnt even installed!12:32
mjrdesp, you need to much around with the config or pass the X server -bpp 16 (or somesuch)12:32
despmjr: bitdepth12:32
despaha, yucky12:32
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mjrs/much/muck/12:33
Zugwrackpdaoust: I have yet to hear from anyone on how to correct the sound issue for PPC...xmms sounds like crud when streaming audio12:33
IMSoPZugwrack: in case you're still uncleat, doing "/bin/sh ./filename" is technically executing "/bin/sh" with a parameter; just "./filename" is trying to execute the file "filename", which will fail if you don't have execute permissions for that file12:33
x0563511er, xpdyinfo isnt in synaptic, and its not installed. Ive got all the repositories installed...12:33
pdaoustZugwrack: I wasn't aware of that; I thought Apples were supposed to 'Just Work' ;-)12:33
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HrdwrBoBx0563511: xdpyinfo is installed by default12:33
HrdwrBoBit's not a package12:33
x0563511"command not found"12:33
mjrx0563511, you typoed it, then :12:34
x0563511DUR12:34
pdaoustso, folks... anyone ever heard of using maildirs in Ubuntu, or will I have to wait for a future release? (I've heard tell of Ubuntu using maildirs in Hoary, but I'm not sure if I'm right)12:34
x0563511i typed it wrong12:34
HrdwrBoBxbase-clients: /usr/X11R6/bin/xdpyinfo12:34
mjrha ;)12:34
x0563511lol12:34
Zugwrackpdaoust: Well I suppose that is true...MDK 10.1 running ALSA had no sound problems...so I can only assume that it is something to do with Ubuntu..12:34
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HrdwrBoBpdaoust: erm, what do you mean maildirs12:34
HrdwrBoBpdaoust: that's a server config issue12:34
HrdwrBoBand if you're setting up your own MTA12:34
HrdwrBoByou should be able to do that easily12:35
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RuffianSoldierHow do I configure X in debian?12:35
pdaoustHrdwrBoB: I came over from Gentoo, which I really liked for its package management system (but eventually got fed up with having to compile everything), and it used maildirs by default...12:35
HrdwrBoBpdaoust: for what12:35
pdaoustHrdwrBoB: Oh, I think I see what you're getting at...12:35
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unpersonjjh, You were right.  Removed my NIC entry in Network Settings and added it as a wireless card and all the options appeared.  I still wonder why it setup that way by default, though.12:36
schifoguys12:36
umarmungDoes anyone here use totem-xine?12:36
HrdwrBoBRuffianSoldier: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8612:36
schifoim low on hdd space, how can i delete packaged i dont need, ie. openoffice ?12:36
pdaoustHrdwrBoB: to use as an alternative to /var/spool/mail or whatever Ubuntu uses by default12:36
jjhunperson: it did the same thing to me12:36
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ZugwrackIs there a sun java package available for Ubuntu? My search finds nothing...I did the chmod and it let me execute it...but line 300 bombs out..12:36
LifesizeKenDollZugwrack: nope12:36
LifesizeKenDollZugwrack: you can make your own, though12:36
pdaoustHrdwrBoB: So this would be a postfix issue, right?12:36
LifesizeKenDollumarmung: I do12:36
HrdwrBoBpdaoust: yep12:36
LifesizeKenDollschifo: sudo apt-get remove openoffice12:37
unpersonok, gotta go12:37
umarmungLifesizeKenDoll, do you get sound when playing movies from quicktime.com ?12:37
unpersonlater12:37
ZugwrackLifesizeKenDoll: Wish I had the expertise....12:37
LifesizeKenDollumarmung: you have to get the codec12:37
schifolifesize, is there a sort of "add/remove programs" thing in ubuntu, i would like to remove things i dont need/use since im low on hdd space12:37
umarmungLifesizeKenDoll, i have w32codecs installed12:37
HrdwrBoBpdaoust: essentially running an MTA is not really a client side thing12:37
Matt|does anyone know how to get bash-completion working with man ***, apt-get install *** and other similar things?12:37
Zugwrackuma: Use synaptic....12:37
umarmungLifesizeKenDoll, i get video but no audio12:37
LifesizeKenDollZugwrack: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java12:37
HrdwrBoBand evolution is the mail client12:38
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vinic_I just installed Ubuntu and was used with Mandrake KDE... I just can't figure out how to browse in same window instead of opening a new window... please help me, all those windows make me sick! :)12:38
LifesizeKenDollumarmung: hrm, not sure I don't watch .mov files12:38
ZugwrackLifesizeKenDoll: Thank you..12:38
HrdwrBoBso postfix configuration is really up to the 'user'12:38
HrdwrBoBbut there's no reason you can't change this12:38
LifesizeKenDollvinic_: go to edit->preferences12:38
pdaoustHrdwrBoB: the setup I had in Gentoo, which I want to recreate, is this: fetchmail grabs messages from my POP3 server, delivers them to the MTA (i.e., postfix), which then deposits them in a folder called /home/paul/.maildir -- then I get my mail through Courier-IMAP (so I can access it from home and from other people's computers). Bogofilter, my fave spam filter, also works best with maildirs.12:38
LifesizeKenDollvinic_: edit->preferences->Behavior->Always open in same window12:38
HrdwrBoBvinic_: Computer->Desktop Preferences-> File Manager12:38
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pdaoustHrdwrBoB: when you say running an MTA is not a client-side thing, do you mean that it should be left up to my ISP (or network admin)?12:39
bigtquestion: how do you defrag in ubuntu? i used the synaptic to install defrag but i'm not sure how to run it any help would be great12:39
HrdwrBoBvinic_: Behaviour12:39
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LifesizeKenDollbigt: there is no point to defrag12:39
HrdwrBoB'Always open in browser windows'12:39
vinic_OK, bad french translation there12:39
pdaoustbigt: are you trying to defrag a FAT32 partition?12:39
HrdwrBoBpdaoust: yeah that's right12:39
Matt|bigt, you don't need to do that12:39
vinic_they forgot "same"12:39
bigtno i'm not12:39
LifesizeKenDollbigt: ext2, ext3, reiserfs are not fragmented filesystems12:39
bigtjust wondering why this thing is running so slow12:39
bigtok wasn't sure its on reis..12:40
HrdwrBoBpdaoust: I'm not saying you can't, hell, go for it, but for most people running an MTA is entirely un-necessary12:40
vinic_thank you guys!12:40
LifesizeKenDollbigt: default is ext312:40
pdaoustbigt: reiserfs is wonderful in that it never needs defragging; it's built for speed12:40
LifesizeKenDollvinic_: you're welcome12:40
schifoguys, i have 2 partitions on my hdd, 1 for windows, and 1 for linux, is there any way to make my linux partition larger, now that linux and windows are installed? im low in disk space on my linux partition12:40
HrdwrBoBvinic_: glad to help "D12:40
HrdwrBoB:D12:40
bigtok cause i formated in reis... when i installed12:40
mjrschifo, ntfs or fat on windows?12:40
vinic_glad to be helped! :D12:40
pdaoustHrdwrBoB: are 'postfix/sendmail' and 'MTA' not perfectly synonymous then?12:40
schifontfs sir12:40
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bigtquestion though i have yet ot figure the networking part out12:41
LifesizeKenDollpdaoust: exim4 can be MTA12:41
HrdwrBoBpdaoust: postfix and sendmail are two MTAs12:41
bigtdo you have to install samba to get it to work?12:41
x0563511how can i configure a samba server, btw?12:41
LifesizeKenDollbigt: should work already12:41
mjrschifo, there's pretty much no free tools for ntfs resizing, you'd have to go with partition magic or something12:41
IMSoPdoes anyone know *how* filesystems avoid the need for defragging? I've always wondered...12:41
LifesizeKenDollbigt: for client12:41
HrdwrBoBMTA is Mail Transfer Agent12:41
vinic_waoh, Ubuntu is kind of "closed" compared to Mandrake12:41
theantixmjr: you are dead wrong12:41
LifesizeKenDollvinic_: how so?12:41
vinic_configurations12:41
HrdwrBoBvinic_: closed?12:41
pdaoustschifo: the safest route is to use a closed-source tool like Partition Magic; I don't know if fips (a Partition Magic type program) is 100% safe.12:41
bigtwell i have a xp box setup with networking and i know it works cause i can put it to another xp box and it detects the shares fine12:41
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HrdwrBoBoh12:41
vinic_see?12:42
HrdwrBoBvinic_: yeah that's a KDE thing12:42
x0563511anyone? ive got a samba server installed, how do i open up the configurations?12:42
bigtbut for some reason the smb://192.168.1.101 doesn't show it12:42
vinic_yep12:42
pdaoustschifo: (of course, no partition resizer is 100% safe)12:42
HrdwrBoBKDE include about 3423482348 options12:42
LifesizeKenDollx0563511: sudo apt-get install samba12:42
vinic_lol12:42
theantixschifo: anything with qtparted on it can safely resize ntfs12:42
schifomjr, if i run partition magic in windows, will it see my linux parition (ext3), and will i have any problems booting into linux after i resized that ext3 partition do you think12:42
HrdwrBoBGNOME is somewhat more.. streamlined12:42
x0563511samba and smbfs is installed already12:42
mjrschifo, no idea on that12:42
vinic_Hope it will be more stable then12:42
mjrschifo, have a bootdisk handy ;)12:42
Matt|schifo, yeah that will bugger it up12:42
HrdwrBoBschifo: if you are using grub (which is the dfault) no.12:42
bigtok then can someone help me to get it to detect please?12:42
theantixschifo: try the system rescue cd, sysresccd.org12:42
HrdwrBoBMatt|: why12:42
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IMSoPx0563511:  dpkg-reconfigure samba12:42
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Matt|HrdwrBoB, last time i resized a linux partition using partition magic it became unreadable12:43
x0563511IMSoP, i mean how do i choose shares, set user passwords for it, ect.12:43
HrdwrBoBMatt|: ouch12:43
HrdwrBoBschifo: better idea12:43
HrdwrBoBschifo: download LNX BBC12:43
Matt|HrdwrBoB, np you expect these things12:43
schifok12:43
pdaoustLifesizeKenDoll and HrdwrBoB: I knew that postfix and sendmail were only two of the many MTAs, but I'm wondering.... OH! I get it: I'm thinking of mda, which postfix can also function as, right? I want to use it as an MDA, not an MTA (anyway, SpamAsasssin often filters out messages sent from home computers, I guess because it thinks they're zombie relays)12:43
HrdwrBoBand use parted to resize it12:43
LifesizeKenDollx0563511: sudo apt-get install swat12:43
vinic_Second thing: How to create a ROOT account? ... or : What's the initial root password?12:43
mjrahh, qtparted uses ntfsresize; ok, I was wrong12:43
Matt|does anyone know how to get bash-completion working with man ***, apt-get install *** and other similar things?12:43
x0563511LifesizeKenDoll, ty12:43
mjrschifo, see http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/status.html#ntfstools for a free tool12:44
HrdwrBoBpdaoust: I imagine you're using fetchmail?12:44
Matt|vinic_, have a browse of the FAQ, listed in the topic12:44
HrdwrBoBand mutt?12:44
mjrdunno if it's any safe, but anyway ;)12:44
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IMSoPx0563511:  sudo vi /etc/samba/smb.conf12:44
HrdwrBoBpdaoust: I just use evolution, it has built in spamassassin support :)12:44
vinic_online ? on Ubuntu website?12:44
x0563511IMSoP, i was hoping to do it graphically. Someone just mentioned swat for me12:44
pdaoustHrdwrBoB: yes, I'm using fetchmail, procmail, postfix, and bogofilter12:44
x0563511IMSoP, ty though12:44
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nimcbigt, r u still here? i tried smb:// with my windows xp on another computer, ubuntu without anything extra here, and it worked great12:44
HrdwrBoBpdaoust: ahh yep12:45
Matt|vinic_, yes: the address is listed in the topic: under FAQ (frequently asked questions): it has loads of useful information12:45
pdaoustHrdwrBoB: I never could get SpamAssassin to work the way I wanted it to.12:45
bigthmm i'm still here12:45
vinic_ty12:45
Matt|np12:45
nimcok..12:45
bigtwell i have xp setup for 192.168.1.101 255.255.255.0 and no gateway12:45
pdaoustmy head is spinning; this conversation is going by too fast....12:45
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x0563511CHAOS12:45
pdaoustI'm not used to chat rooms...12:45
bigtand then the linux box is 192.168.1.10012:45
pdaoustno kidding12:45
volvoguyI've been trying to configure Samba for two days and it's still not working for me - so don't feel bad.12:45
IMSoP"#I'm so DIZZY my head is spinning...#"12:46
HrdwrBoBpdaoust: this is pretty fast and big as far as IRC channels go :)12:46
bigtand i went computer/network then typed in the location of 192.168.1.101 and it can't connect12:46
HrdwrBoBpdaoust: if you sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix12:46
HrdwrBoBPassword:12:46
pdaoustHrdwrBoB: no kidding12:46
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x0563511ok, how do i use SWAT?12:46
nimcbigt, the ip that i have on the other computer is not local, it's assigned by the isp i think (using cable modem with one ethernet and one usb connection for each computer)12:46
pdaoustHrdwrBoB: Before I use that command, I just want to know -- what will it do for me?12:46
StevenIThi! I just burn cdLive on cdrw: it boots but it hangs just before GDM. any idea?12:46
nimcso my ip looks like 80.230.129. etc12:47
bigtoh i was using direct connect12:47
IMSoPgeez, I wish there was something better than SMB/samba for simple filesharing12:47
bigtwith a crossover12:47
nimcahh12:47
x0563511IMSoP, well, it IS remarkably like MS File/Print sharing....12:47
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nimcIMSoP, why?? samba seems to work great when i just tried it now12:47
pdaoustIMSoP: yeah, it feels kinda dirty to use something that's so intimately connected with Windows... but rest assured that it wasn't originally their idea12:47
bigtit don't work for me12:48
bigtso don't ask me ;)12:48
pdaoustHrdwrBoB: what does 'dpkg-reconfigure postfix' do?12:48
nimcahh you mean something better to use for sharing that doesnt involve windows?12:48
IMSoPnimc:  it's just so... hacky and weird. the way all the authentication works (or doesn't), and debugging anything not working is basically impossible12:48
pdaoustHrdwrBoB: oh, why didn't I just read the man page ^_^12:49
volvoguyIMSoP - it's about three clicks and a few words to get samba working in SuSE, but i've been hacking away at it forever and i can't get it to work in Ubuntu12:49
bigtnimc do you have yours setup with a crossover ca ble?12:49
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bigti can ping the other computer just fine12:49
bigtso its connected12:49
IMSoPvolvoguy:  just getting a single share to work between two windows boxes is hard enough!12:49
bigtbut i can't share jack12:49
cardadorvolvoguy: i have it working flawlessly. whats exactly the problem?12:49
nimcwell, it worked great here, read/write, and fast, and nice browsing in nautilus12:49
HrdwrBoBpdaoust: heh12:49
StevenITanybody helps me?12:49
HrdwrBoBpdaoust: I'm not sure if it wll configure maildirs12:49
nimcIMSoP, ok..... perhaps i was lucky:)12:50
HrdwrBoBpdaoust: I can't run it because I'm kinda using postfix on this box :)12:50
x0563511how do i use SWAT?12:50
pdaoustpdaoust: no prob.12:50
pdaoustHrdwrBoB: no prob.12:50
pdaoust:P12:50
x0563511how do i use SWAT??12:50
volvoguycardador: not sure. installed ubuntu and samba on the server, added my share to smb.conf, restarted smbd and i still can't connect (multiply that by about 1000 times)12:50
nimcbigt, no crossover... both computers connected to the internet using my cable modem which has two connections, one usb, one ethernet12:51
vinic_ok! all figured out! thanx guys! catch you later12:51
nimci once did crossover between 2 winxp computers without internet, that worked well too12:51
bigtoh ok12:51
pdaoustHrdwrBoB: don't know yet... I'm just at the part where it's configuring the MTA part12:51
bigtwell ok i'm hearing worked i guess i need to hear how :)12:52
bigtcause its not working over here :(12:52
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nimchow do i use samba to try to share a folder in ubuntu, so that the winxp computer can see it?12:52
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cardadorvolvoguy: i can show you my smb.conf12:53
bigtyep thts my question :)12:53
x0563511please help someone, how do i use swat12:53
nimcso far i just shared a folder in winxp, with read/write permission, that worked good12:53
cardadorvolvoguy: its working very well on a windows network at my work12:53
StevenITwhy does ubuntu Live hang before GDM ?12:53
nimcbut how to share in ubuntu?12:53
cardadorx0563511: on firefox write localhost:90112:53
volvoguycardador: that'd be a good start! :-) how do you want to send it to me?12:53
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x0563511cardador, connection refused. portscanner doesnt show 901 open12:54
cardadorvolvoguy: wait a moment...12:54
bigtso you have winxp shared documents with the share enabled12:54
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x0563511cardador, either12:54
bigtand you can access thru linux?12:54
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cardadorx0563511: you have to edit /etc/inetd.conf and uncomment the swat line12:54
goffi need some help setting up a vnc server on my computer12:54
x0563511cardador, i just installed SWAT with synaptic. do i need to restart or anything?12:54
nimcbigt, yes, i picked a folder to share in winxp, and it works fine in ubuntu when i use smb://12:55
cardadorx0563511: then, sudo /etc/init.d/inetd restart12:55
nimcbigt, do u know how to try it the other way around? so i'll see if that works too?12:55
bigtdo you specify the ip though?12:55
nimcbigt, yes, i specify the ip....12:55
bigtwith smb://12:55
x0563511cardador, ok. Netbios-ssn is also disabled... should i enable this too?12:55
Matt|hey ubuntu have started paid support?12:55
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bigtyou type smb://<ip>?12:56
nimcbigt, yes, smb://230.80.....12:56
volvoguycardador: oh, here's one more snag. i can connect to the share on the server if i use gnome's "connect to server" dialog, but i can't mount it on the command line or w/fstab12:56
bigtdamn12:56
bigtits not working12:56
bigtbut like i say both ping each other12:56
x0563511cardador, er... line starts as #<off># swat12:56
bigthow did you setup your windows share?12:56
x0563511cardador, what should it start as?12:56
cardadorx0563511: swat12:57
x0563511cardador, so just get rid of the whole #<off>#12:57
nimchmm in folder properties / sharing / share and allow other users to change files12:57
cardadorx0563511: yes12:57
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nimcbigt, so u know how to try to share a folder in ubuntu ?12:57
bigtthats how i did it just makeing sure12:57
bigtno haven't a clue12:57
x0563511cardador, i forgot what netbios-ssn was... is that only needed on a netbios network?12:58
bigt2nd day on linux12:58
bigtbut trying to learn12:58
nimcok... anyone else knows?12:58
volvoguyi'll throw out the issue i really came in here for though. i'm using hoary and i just smart-upgraded, but i don't seem to have X.org.12:58
cardadorvolvoguy: pm12:58
volvoguycardador: i'm there.12:59
trans_erranyone having font render issues with xorg? All my fonts look a bit tall and fuzzy- any ideas?12:59
trans_errhmm- actually it's just the defalult gnome font- is it supposed to be sans?01:00
x0563511cardador, "* Restarting internet superserver...                                    [fail] "01:00
trans_errfreesans is a bit better but it still looks off01:01
x0563511cardador, i stopped it, then started it. Both operations got [OK] 01:01
cardadorx0563511: and then?01:01
x0563511cardador, and 901 is up. Am i done? Just go to 127.0.0.1:901 in firefox, right?01:01
cardadorx0563511: just write localhost:90101:02
bigtaww01:02
bigtok yeah it works i had one two many //s01:02
x0563511cardador, same thing... ok, it wants username/pass...01:02
cardadorvolvoguy: check if you have any upgradable package01:02
x0563511cardador, is this root it wants?01:02
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cardadorx0563511: yap01:02
x0563511cardador, root has no PW, its disabled. Will it take mine?01:03
neighborleehi...anyone by chance have a multi-function printer working in linux ?01:03
bigtbut yeah it would be cool to figure out how to share the other way around01:03
cardadorx0563511: enable root user, it is explained in ubuntu faq i think01:03
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x0563511cardador, ok, just wondering if i had to01:03
x0563511cardador, ok, its up01:03
x0563511ty01:03
volvoguycardador:  i had a package like "x-server-core" or something like that that was marked as do not upgrade.01:03
tvonDoes using xcompmgr/composite actually do anything at this point in hoary?01:04
cardadorvolvoguy: you have to upgrade it01:04
cardadortvon: at the moment i have shadows, fade in & out, etc01:04
volvoguycardador: ok. synaptic isn't showing it anymore. i'll see if apt-get or aptitude show it as available.01:05
tvoncardador: oh?  enable composite in xorg and run xcompmgr?01:06
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cardadortvon: yap01:06
x0563511cardador, can i remove the "home directories" share safely? Or will that bork something?01:06
tvonhrm01:07
cardadorx0563511: dont know,  just try.01:07
cardadorx0563511: after changing the settings, you need to restart samba01:07
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tvoncardador: using gnome/metacity perchance?01:07
cardadoranyone interested on having xcompmgr, should add this to sources.list: http://81.84.235.109/smb.conf01:09
cardadorups01:09
cardadoranyone interested on having xcompmgr, should add this to sources.list: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/01:09
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tvoncardador: yeah, using that01:09
tvonah, there we go01:09
tvonworks better than when I last tried01:11
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kensaiis ubuntu created with metadistros?01:13
tvonIt's 80% water01:13
jose__x crashed :\ guess xcompmgr is still not usable01:13
jdubkensai: no01:13
kensaijdub: thanks a friend of mine told me that so I didn't knew how to answer01:14
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grendelhello to everyone01:14
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grendeldoes anyone know if ubuntu's gnome packages work for debian unstable ?01:14
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jdubgrendel: mixing repositories is not recommended01:15
jdubgrendel: you may as well just use experimental's gnome01:15
genhey guys, each time i open azureus, i HAVE to type "export PATH=/usr/local/j2sdk1.4.2/bin:$PATH" before i do "./azureus" to open it, is there an easier way to get around this01:15
Pizbitgen: Look to add it in .bashrc or .bash_profile (probably the former)01:16
gennot familiar pizbit01:16
cardadorgen: edit the azureus script and change the java home to where you installed java01:16
volvoguycardador: that got me a lot closer. thanks! when mounted, the root of the share is still owned by root01:16
Pizbitgen: Just put it at the end of .bashrc if you're not familar01:17
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grendeljdub, I did that, those packages broke everything in my installation. I spent a whole day figuring out how to remove them.01:17
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genwhats .bashrc?01:17
cardadortvon: xcompmgr -cCfF -r7 -o.65 -l-10 -t-8 -D7 & :)01:18
srbakerhey.01:18
ChibiOooh! That reminds me.01:18
srbakerhaving some trouble with sound01:18
tvoncardador: ah, nice01:18
srbakersnd-ymfpci module on a tecra 810001:18
srbakerall i get is static01:18
volvoguyso was the xserver-xorg package supposed to be pulled in during my hoary smart-upgrade today?01:18
genwhat/where is .bashrc01:18
genI'm an idiot :)01:18
Pizbitgen: It's a file in your home directory01:18
cardadortvon: saw it in some gentoo howto01:19
Pizbit. makes it hidden01:19
jdubgrendel: in which case, i wouldn't recommend installing packages from an entirely different distribution release...01:19
genpizbit: thank you very much01:19
genworked01:19
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grendeljdub, yep.. I do realize that.01:20
tvoncardador: its not bad, the window fade-in is a little slow on my laptop though01:21
genquick question, how do i force quit an application if the window does not pop up to do so01:22
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jdubgrendel: then no need to ask ;)01:22
jdubgen: there's a little force quit icon you can add to your panel01:22
genah i see jdub, thanks01:22
HrdwrBoBcardador: so pretty, and so slow :)01:23
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jinhello01:23
grendeljdub, I just wanted to know how compatible the two distros where... but as you said, two complete diferent distros, I won't even risk it.. hehehe :D I'll stick to gnome 2.6 for the moment.01:24
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tvonbrb01:24
jinanyone? how to mount the ntfs partition in ubuntu?01:24
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HrdwrBoBjin: mount -t ntfs /dev/hdxx /mnt/location01:24
cardadorHrdwrBoB: eheh01:25
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jinhmmm01:25
ZugwrackLifesizeKenDoll: I can't seem to find the make-jpkg deb file to be able and get java 1.4 installed..which repository would I find this package in?01:26
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LifesizeKenDollZugwrack: don't quite know01:26
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volvoguyi figgered it out. i'm going to goof around with x.org stuff. see y'all later. :-)01:26
LifesizeKenDollvolvoguy: cya, xorg is fun01:27
ZugwrackLifesizeKenDoll: Ok thanks..just trying to follow your suggestion(s) ;-)01:27
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housetierhttp://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/java-package01:28
housetierthose *might* help01:28
ZugwrackWould someone be so kind as to explain .deb packages that say they are a "dummy" file? Sorry I come from a RPM based distro..but Ubuntu works on PPC01:28
TemetLifesizeKenDoll , are you using warty or hoarty ?01:28
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jdubZugwrack: they just provide dependencies01:32
jdubgenerally nothing useful of their own01:32
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Zugwrackjdub: Ok so might you be able to help me figure out where to get make-jpkg? synaptic doesn't find it...I don't know for sure if I can use .deb files for "debian" linux..to compound the issue I am running PPC01:34
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jdubZugwrack: make-kpkg? -> kernel-package01:35
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nevynjdub: java-package01:36
Zugwrackjdub: no this is a explanaton on how to make Sun java into a .deb file...that is the command... on wiki01:36
jdubZugwrack: afaik, it's in a separate repository01:36
Zugwracknevyn: Synaptic doesn't know that package either01:36
nevynjdub: is it in universe?01:37
nevynit's in debian unstable..01:37
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jdubmight be in multiverse01:37
nevynZugwrack: make-jpkg isn't there either01:37
housetierjava-package might01:37
jdubFilename: pool/multiverse/j/java-package/java-package_0.14_all.deb01:37
jdub(that's hoary, though)01:37
ZugwrackDunno..guys..just reading the wiki how to do it..I am using Warty01:38
ZugwrackIt does mention java-package though..01:38
ZugwrackI just can't find it..heh01:38
housetierthe package for unstable needs tweaking to install java 1.5 (non-beta)01:38
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jdubyes, it's also in multiverse on warty01:38
ZugwrackI just need 1.401:38
nevynhousetier: url to the tweaks?01:38
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ZugwrackIs there a wiki on how to add multiverse to Synaptic package manager?01:39
x0563511Zugwrack01:39
x0563511i can help, PM me01:39
jdubZugwrack: just go into the repository editor and uncomment stuff :)01:39
housetiernevyn I could send you the changed script (make-jpkg calls it plugin)01:39
x0563511that works too, nevermind01:39
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housetierI haven't bothered to diff it yet01:40
ZugwrackSorry this if this is too n00b for ya..but where is the repository editor?01:40
jdubsettings > repositories01:41
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Zugwrackjdub: There isn't an entry for that bro01:44
jdubZugwrack: add it to the end of the existing ones01:44
Zugwrackjdub: That is my point...where do I lookup the URL to add?01:45
LifesizeKenDollfor multiverse?01:45
x0563511Zugwrak ill get tehm01:45
ZugwrackYes..thanks01:45
jdubZugwrack: on the lines that have 'warty main universe'01:45
jdubZugwrack: add multiverse01:45
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x0563511multiverse URL is http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/01:45
x0563511distro stable01:46
x0563511section main01:46
cardadordistro warty01:46
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x0563511er, actually the URL is ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat01:46
jdubno it's not01:46
jdubyeesh, dude01:46
x0563511i just used that though!01:46
x0563511i got w32codecs from it01:47
jdubthat's not 'ubuntu multiverse'01:47
x0563511thats what the ubuntu restrictedformats page said01:47
nevyndude.01:48
nevynsee how it doesn't have ubuntu in the url?01:48
x0563511i know01:48
nevynthat means it's not an ubuntu source01:48
x0563511but the page on the ubuntu website gave me that01:48
x0563511hrm, maybe ill go change my repository, just to avoid headaches later...01:49
nevynbut it's nothing to do with ubuntu it's just some crazy french guy that distributes (useful but patented) stuff01:49
ZugwrackOk so now just search java-package?01:50
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x0563511... whats the URL, distro, and section of the ubuntu multiverse?01:50
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cardadorx0563511: just add multiverse after main restricted and universe01:51
x0563511k01:51
outcast_grhi, anyone knows how to change the default sound device? I got both AC97 + SB Live, but ubuntu uses AC97 (I want SB live)01:51
cardadorx0563511: on the same line01:51
x0563511er, im using the synaptic GUI01:51
cardadorx0563511: exactly, go to settings, repositories01:51
x0563511ok01:51
x0563511all those things are on seperate lines01:52
cardadoryou could have only one, having this on "section": main restricted universe multiverse01:52
x0563511oooh01:52
x0563511i see it01:52
boodleGreetings, I'm interested in Ubuntu and am currently using Debian-sid feed. Is there a migration path from Debian or do I really need to do a fresh install?01:52
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billytwowillyanyone upgrade to xorg? problems?01:53
jdubboodle: migrating is not hugely optimal. doing a fresh install is recommended.01:53
boodlejdub, ok tks01:54
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x0563511what!01:54
x0563511smart upgrade wants to remove SWAT01:54
x0563511but not replace it01:54
cardadorbillytwowilly: i had problems with xcompmgr01:54
cardadorbillytwowilly: but without it, im fine01:55
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binary_10anyone got composite to work with xorg?01:55
wasabiyup.01:55
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binary_10how did you do it?01:56
binary_10I added the line to xorg.conf01:56
hsidhuif i update grub menu.lst do i need to run grub-install again?01:56
wasabienabled hte composite extension, compile xcompmgr, run it.01:56
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Despairtransset is mildly amusing as well.01:56
outcast_granyone knows how to change the default sound device? I got both AC97 + SB Live, but ubuntu uses AC97 (I want SB live). Both cards are recognised01:56
cardadorwasabi: there is a compiled xcompmgr01:56
wasabiwhere at?01:57
binary_10where do you get xompmgr.. doesnt seem to be installed01:57
x0563511why does synaptic want swat to uninstall? i cant unmark it01:57
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Zugwrackjdub,x0563511: Many thanks..finally got java-package...01:57
wasabiI enjoy compiling it though. ;)01:57
kapputuhi [Phaedrus] 01:57
ZugwrackNow back to wiki..heh01:57
cardadorwasabi: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/01:57
[Phaedrus] hi kapputu01:57
x0563511is there something wrong with swat?01:57
kapputuhey sorry man01:57
kapputuforgot to send you the CD01:58
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andrilhello all again01:58
[Phaedrus] its okay. whenever you get to it01:58
kapputuprobably tomm01:58
andrilanyone have issues with installing Firefox 1.0 ????01:58
kapputuor do you want to wait for the pressed CDs ?01:58
[Phaedrus] sounds good01:58
kapputuI'm getting 10 of 'em01:58
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andrilI ordered 35 of 'em01:59
kapputuI want to encourage people to use it01:59
[Phaedrus] depends how long its going to be.... i guess if they started shipping, i can wait for mine to arrive01:59
andrilI want to start a Ubuntu Street Team02:00
kapputuit's been three weeks since I installed Ubuntu and I haven't gone back to Windows02:00
kapputu[Phaedrus] , never mind, I'll send you a copy02:00
[Phaedrus] thanks kapputu02:00
x0563511i ordered 2.02:00
kapputuno probs02:01
andrilkapputu: do you o any serving (FTP,HTTP or SMTP)?02:01
kapputuno02:01
kapputusomething wrong with my router02:01
x0563511only because this is Maine, and hardly anyone can use windows, let alone learn linux02:01
kapputuport 22 is open and it's set to do port forwarding, but doesn't work02:01
kapputui mean 2102:01
x0563511can i force synaptic to ignore a dependancy?02:01
x0563511its mad because swat wants an older samba than whats installed02:02
smoI believe you need to use dpkg itself for that .. "dpkg --force-help" will show you how you can create ugly messes02:02
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x0563511reading that02:03
andrilhas anyone tried to install Firefox 1.0????02:03
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smo(and I do mean ugly messes .. dependancies usually exist for good reasons)02:03
x0563511smo, swat needs "samba", and is complaining that "samba-ubuntuXXXXXXX-whatever" is installed02:05
kappututry dpkg --force-remove02:05
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x0563511smo, actually, its mad because it wants samba, but samba-ubuntu is in its place02:05
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x0563511er...02:06
x0563511where can i get the package file itself?02:06
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smohmm I thought apt-get -d would do that, but it still wants to resolve dependencies first.  the filename/path should be in "apt-cache show swat | grep Filename" if you want to grab it yourself02:09
x0563511ty, found it02:10
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Mojo_JojoHey, what was that option I can put in to xorg it was something like "RenderAccel"  "true"02:12
x0563511er, quastion02:12
x0563511theres a swat for 3.0.7-1ubuntu6 and 3.0.7-1ubuntu702:12
x0563511which one should i grab?02:12
labanuxi guess the default type of "home" (icon to launch file browser) is open every folder in new window...02:13
labanuxcan we make change to this..?02:13
x0563511nevermind02:13
labanuxso i can open every folder still in it's windows02:13
x0563511theres a SWAT for my samba version, exactly02:13
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x0563511but apt is being retarded02:14
labanuxit's really difficult for me to using that file browser02:14
LifesizeKenDollMojo_Jojo: Option "RenderAccel" "1"02:14
LifesizeKenDollMojo_Jojo: I think02:14
ChibiTrue02:14
Chibinot 1 :o02:14
smolabanux: In nautilus's preferences there's an option labelled "Always open in browser windows".  That should acheive what you're looking for02:14
LifesizeKenDollMojo_Jojo: or "On" instead of "1"02:14
cardadorLifesizeKenDoll: i think its "True"02:14
ChibiTrue!! >O02:14
LifesizeKenDollcardador: could be that02:14
labanuxsmo:so how can i make the change?02:15
Chibihttp://grebowiec.net/archives/2004/09/xorg_68_final_x.html02:15
Mojo_Jojook thanks I put in True02:15
smolabanux: open a folder, go to Edit->Preferences .. on the Behaviour tab you'll find that option .. tick it, and you're done02:16
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x0563511ok, i got it working02:16
x0563511thanks smo02:16
x0563511there was a swat version for my samba version, but APT wouldnt use it02:17
x0563511(samba-3.0.7-1ubuntu6.1, and a swat package named swat-3.0.7-1ubuntu6.1)02:17
smoI believe there's a way to give apt hints as to which version you want .. I just don't know the apropriate voodoo02:17
labanuxsmo: oh yeah..., thanx a lot smo...02:17
x0563511ok! now that i got samba working...02:18
x0563511term paper time! yay.02:18
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HrdwrBoBLifesizeKenDoll: are you sure?02:18
HrdwrBoBmy Xorg reports that it doesn't know abou that02:19
HrdwrBoB(RenderAccel)02:19
elessarOption "RenderAccel" "1" in your device section02:20
elessarusing the binary nVidia driver02:20
HrdwrBoBah02:20
HrdwrBoBdevice02:20
HrdwrBoBder :)02:20
HrdwrBoBcheers02:20
elessarjust like the README says....02:20
HrdwrBoByeah02:21
HrdwrBoBI suck02:21
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HoodsterHi All!02:26
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LifesizeKenDollHoodster: hello02:27
wasabi_How long does "Starting htoplug subsystem" usually take? It's going on a minute now.02:28
HoodsterI am using Ubunti Warty 4.1 Full Release and would like to browse a local file server running nfs. When I try to do this, an icon appears on the desktop and in the Computer | Network window, and when I double-click to browse, FireFox loads up. Is there a way to browse the nfs machine with nautilus or not in HTML?02:28
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wasabi_Hoodster: mount the NFS volume using fstab.02:29
wasabi_Does nautilus let you do that without mounting it?02:29
wasabi_I didnt't hink it did...02:29
wasabi_maybe im wrong though. ;002:29
Hoodsterwasabi: Thank you for replying: I am a linux newbie. What entry do I make in fstab or can you point me to a webpage that will explain it?02:29
wasabi_I'd read any tutorial about NFS.02:30
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wasabi_But, the line will look somewhat like "server:/export /mount/point nfs options 0 002:30
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bigtcan someone tell me how to use the parted command to list a drive partition please?02:32
bigtisn't it parted /dev/hda print?02:32
robertjbtw, where should I move /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to?02:33
wasabi_well sucks. ubuntu froze during boot up.02:33
Mojo_Jojowasabi_ did you change your apt sources to hoary?02:34
wasabi_no.02:34
Mojo_Jojoah ok I was just wondering02:34
bigtdang :( there has to be an easy way to find yoru drives on linux i woudl assume? only way i know how to find it is run the install disk and then view the partition table02:34
wasabi_does it have hal-device-manager installed?02:35
mdzrobertj: /etc/X11/xorg.conf is what you're looking for02:36
robertjmdz: thanks02:36
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HrdwrBoBhrm02:36
mdzrobertj: you should not need to move anything02:36
mdzthe packages handle the upgrade transparently02:36
robertjI don't have a xorg.conf, is that a bad thing?02:36
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Unfunwhy does ATI suck with linux02:36
robertjI assumed it just looked for it at XFree86-402:36
mdzrobertj: yes, assuming you actually have xserver-xorg installed02:36
wasabi_Unfun: because ATI won't release good drivers?02:37
wasabi_eg open source02:37
robertjI guess I should have read that mail closer, I did a dist-upgrade and then did a smart upgrade to be sure (not sure if that's any different)02:37
Unfunmy nvidia 32 meg card works 100x better than my 64eg ATI02:37
HrdwrBoBwasabi_: no that's quite wrong :)02:38
usualbigg update in hoary02:38
Mojo_Jojobecause ati is Unfun:P...i'm drunk btw :P02:38
UnfunDRUNKARD!02:38
Unfunwhen is hoary officially getting released?02:39
LifesizeKenDollit'll be a while02:39
Mojo_Jojo:D02:39
LifesizeKenDollI think it's a 6-month cycle02:39
LifesizeKenDolland Warty just got released02:39
Unfunanyone get winbind/pam to work in ubuntu?02:39
robertjbrb hopefully02:40
SuperQdoes ubuntu come with a CD burning app?02:41
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Mojo_Jojow00t my ubuntu system is better then it was eariler today hahaha02:41
LifesizeKenDollnautilus burns CD's02:41
HrdwrBoBSuperQ: nautilus has a CD burner built in02:41
Mojo_Jojothis is great :D:D:D:D02:41
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SuperQok02:41
LifesizeKenDollMojo_Jojo: how so?02:41
Unfuni have to say ubuntu is pretty nice02:41
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Mojo_Jojowell this time once it wouldnt boot up I barrowed my gf 120gig hdd and backed up what I needed then I did a fresh install and right after a hoary upgrade :) and I took the time to read the tweaks at www.ubuntuforums.org :D02:42
Mojo_Jojobut I wont know if I still have the UT problem untill later :)02:42
HoodsterWhen I try to mount the nfs from the console, I get a message that the address cannot be gotten. How do I address the address?02:42
UnfunUT 2004?02:43
LifesizeKenDollUT2k4 is fun02:43
Mojo_Jojofirst one :(02:43
Mojo_Jojogf wont give back 2k4 *cires*02:43
Unfunheh02:43
Mojo_Jojo*cries02:43
SuperQhrm02:43
Unfunpoor drunk Mojo_Jojo02:43
SuperQhehe.. i normaly just use cd record02:43
Mojo_Jojoyeah, and in a few min going to the bar for an hour hahaha02:43
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robertjalright02:43
mtuttyanyone feel like helping an ubuntu noob?02:43
robertjwe are rocking now02:43
robertjmtutty: ask your question02:44
mtuttyI've got a prism-based 802.11b / 128MB flash drive.02:44
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mtuttyWorks fine with Windows drivers under WinXP Pro.02:44
SuperQhrm.. ok.. so i figured out how to add files to a burn02:44
SuperQbut how do i burn an ISO image02:44
LifesizeKenDollopen Nautilus02:44
mtuttyI've read some about the prism drivers but can't seem to get them to work.02:44
LifesizeKenDollright-click iso02:44
LifesizeKenDollWrite to CD...02:44
robertjSuperQ: right click the iso and select burn02:44
SuperQyea02:44
SuperQit wants to make an ISO of the ISO02:44
SuperQRight-Click, write to disc02:45
LifesizeKenDollyou sure?02:45
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robertjmtutty: sorry, I haven't done any wifi stuff in Ubuntu02:45
mtuttyDoes anyone know of a walkthrough, how-to, etc about enabling this kind of device?02:45
SuperQWrite to disc: File Image02:45
SuperQhrm.. maybe ubuntu doesn't like my burner02:45
Mojo_JojoHOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!! I must be really drunk or i'm readin that my resolution is 1280x1024!!!!! I have never been able to get it that high before not even on windows...thisis frckin great02:45
SuperQmaybe it wants the burner to be pluged in on login02:45
SuperQbrb02:46
mtuttyrobertj: Thanks anyway. Maybe I'll post to a group.02:46
GmailMojo_Jojo: winbloat can be better than linux02:46
Mojo_Jojoyeah, but ony for games thats it :D02:46
Mojo_JojoLOVE UBUNTU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!02:47
LifesizeKenDollMojo_Jojo: You're really drunk02:47
Mojo_Jojoyeah02:47
LifesizeKenDollMojo_Jojo: lol02:47
Mojo_Jojohaha02:47
UnfunMojo_Jojo what gfx card?02:47
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Mojo_JojoSOLTEK NVIDIA FX5200 AGP8X/128BIT/128MB DDR /DVI & TV-OUT02:47
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UnfunAnyone here use ATI cards?02:47
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Mojo_Jojowell i;m gonna go :) ttyl later...if i'm able to hahaha02:49
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robertjI'm such a luser02:50
LifesizeKenDoll?02:50
robertjNeato xorg and first thing I do is go and try to compile xcompmgr ;)02:50
HrdwrBoByeah02:50
HrdwrBoBesp because you can download the package02:50
HrdwrBoB:P02:50
Xenguyrobertj: remember, the 'l' is silent ;-)02:50
LifesizeKenDollthere needs to be an xcompmgr.deb and transset.deb02:50
tvonthere is an xcompmgr package02:51
HrdwrBoBdeb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/02:51
tvonIt's not in the main archive yet, but a sources.list line was posted to the dev list02:51
HrdwrBoBadd that to your sources.list02:51
tvonno transset that I know of though02:51
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wasabi_=( ubuntu doesn't work for me. =(02:53
DanielSeuffertwasabi_: why?02:53
wasabi_hotplug freezes at boot02:54
wasabi_"Starting hotplug subsystem", never moves beyond it.02:54
robertjactually the thing that makes me a luser is that I'm forcing stuff now to get it to work02:54
SuperQok02:55
DanielSeuffertwasabi_: hardware details?02:55
usualwasabi_, try hitting ctrl c02:55
SuperQso nautilus doesn't detect my burner02:55
wasabi_amd64, running x86 version02:56
SuperQdo i have to have it pluged in on boot?02:56
wasabi_some via mobo02:56
usualwasabi_, try hitting ctrl c02:56
wasabi_ctrl-c does nothing.02:56
wasabi_enter doesn't even insert line feeds.02:56
SuperQwhy run i386 on amd64?02:56
SuperQ:)02:56
DanielSeuffertwasabi_: Asus Sk8N or what?02:56
usualwasabi_, ok, i had similar prob and ctrl c stopped what was happening in the background02:56
wasabi_MSI... something02:56
wasabi_Works fine in debian. ;)02:56
usuali have an MSI also02:56
DanielSeuffertwasabi_: did you try it without ACPI in Bios?02:57
kingsleyIs there an easier way to set up a virtual machine than User Mode Linux? xen?02:57
wasabi_not yet02:57
wasabi_works fine in debian heh.02:57
wasabi_with acpi02:57
DanielSeuffertok, please give it a try...02:57
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wasabi_boot option noacpi?02:58
elessarbios...02:58
rushibhaihi all02:58
wasabi_i cannot disbale acpi in bios.02:58
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wasabi_just apm.02:58
rushibhaii know this has been asked a billion times today, but when is the firefox 1.0 package coming out?02:58
DanielSeuffertit already went out ;)02:58
rushibhaiubutu .deb?02:58
DanielSeuffertah, sorry, I misunderstood02:59
rushibhai:) np02:59
SuperQok.. so i think the deal is ubuntu isn't recognising my USB2 external burner03:00
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SuperQahhhh!03:00
SuperQthat's why03:00
SuperQscsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices03:00
SuperQ  Vendor: Revoltec  Model: USB/IDE Bridge (  Rev: 010303:00
SuperQ  Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 0203:00
DanielSeuffertwasabi_: I doubt that there is a modern Bios being unable to shut down ACPI...03:00
SuperQit doesn't see it as a burner03:01
SuperQinteresting03:01
wasabi_um. well, other than mine, try every intel boxed board there is.03:01
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faderwasabi_: just try pci=noacpi03:02
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Gmailwow x.org is out03:02
SuperQcdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.03:02
SuperQwierd03:02
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SuperQGmail: any idea why my external burner is not happy?03:03
SuperQit worked when I had sarge03:03
GmailSuperQ: any idea why my interal burner doesn't work03:03
LifesizeKenDollAnybody know how to make maximize not maximize _all the way_? e.g. not maximize to the bottom 50 pixels03:04
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GmailLifesizeKenDoll: you got some gconf hacking to do03:04
Gmailand ask on irc.gimp.org #gnome03:05
SuperQGmail: heh03:05
SuperQgrrr.. maybe I'll just plug this thing into my sarge box03:06
HrdwrBoBpl03:07
HrdwrBoBok03:07
HrdwrBoBI will make a transset deb03:07
HrdwrBoBgive me a bit03:07
SuperQoh wierd03:08
SuperQwhen I plug it into a Fedora box03:08
SuperQusb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 3, frame# 67103:08
SuperQ  Vendor: LITE-ON   Model: DVDRW SOHW-832S   Rev: VS0A03:08
SuperQ  Type:   CD-ROM                             ANSI SCSI revision: 0203:08
SuperQit shows up properly03:08
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billytwowillyhow would I find out what version of X is running?03:10
LifesizeKenDollX -version03:10
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bur[n] eranyone know how I can change the Hz not from within X?03:11
billytwowillynoOO! The update borked gnome terminal03:11
bur[n] eri got a new flat panel, but it can't do 85 Hz... only 7503:11
SuperQwierd ass shit03:11
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SuperQstupid wireless AP03:11
SuperQbur[n] er: eh.. you don't need fast refresh rates for LCD03:13
LifesizeKenDollbur[n] er: not from within X, you just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf03:13
usualI think nautilus is broken in hoary03:13
usualit is trying to use fam03:13
LifesizeKenDollusual: how so?03:13
usualbut fam was removed03:13
LifesizeKenDollI have fam03:13
usualthe latest upgrade removed mine03:13
wasabi_i turned of acpi03:14
wasabi_and it's still not working03:14
LifesizeKenDollusual: does it replace it with gamin?03:14
usualLifesizeKenDoll, is that the new replacement for fam?03:14
LifesizeKenDollusual: yes03:14
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usualLifesizeKenDoll, I never would have guessed, thanks03:15
usualLifesizeKenDoll, that fixed it03:15
robertjwhee03:15
GmailSuperQ: i am having problem with 2 lite-ons03:16
robertjmdz: congratulations! xorg has allowed me to make my gui horribly slow ;)03:16
usualanyonw know a utility that will convert wma files to mp3 or ogg03:16
SuperQGmail: huh03:16
wasabi_well this sucks.03:16
usualGmail, I have a lite0n03:16
robertjmdz: next task: find out if my video card can be hardware accelerated in Xorg ;)03:16
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LifesizeKenDollrobertj: what type is it?03:17
SuperQGmail: the drive worked fine on a fedora box03:17
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LifesizeKenDollarg, I want to have a Mac Dock - but maximize covers it up03:17
SuperQGmail: don't know why ubuntu hates it03:17
robertjWOrking on it03:17
robertjSorry, drop shadows, slowing system to crawl03:18
LifesizeKenDollrobertj: why not turn those off?03:18
robertjits i81003:18
robertjLife: mustn't03:18
robertjtoo guirific03:19
LifesizeKenDollrobertj: did you compile xcompmgr?03:19
robertjLife: yeah ;P03:19
wasabi_argh03:19
wasabi_i didn't want to be arguing with ahrdware all night03:20
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robertjIt's a 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset03:21
LifesizeKenDollrobertj: where can I download xcompmgr?03:22
GmailSuperQ: maybe you don't have the driver and fedora did?03:22
robertjLifesize: CVS03:22
LifesizeKenDollI can't use CVS03:23
robertjthe required xorg extensions are packaged but require that you force overwrite some files03:23
LifesizeKenDollports blocked03:23
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Bartmanhi guys03:25
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BartmanI'm trying ot finish up my ubuntu install for a poor friend. I need to get a wireless PCI card working but I can't find any drivers for it03:26
Bartmanany idea where to start? I check the makers web site. It's a Hawking HWP102...03:26
GmailBartman: your going to have a lot of trubble03:26
nomasteryodaBartman: what kind?03:26
nomasteryodaok03:26
BartmanI've never setup up wireless in linux before03:27
BartmanI did get DRI working :)03:27
nomasteryodaBartman: just trudge thru it03:27
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nomasteryodaBartman: SuSE makes it easier...using the gui03:27
Bartmantrudge thru it?03:28
nomasteryodayea03:28
BartmanI can't even tell if there are drivers for it and I'm not having much lucking03:28
Bartmanguck03:28
Bartmanluck03:28
Bartmanso where should I start03:28
nomasteryodalinuxant?03:28
LifesizeKenDollBartman: what chipset do you have?03:28
BartmanI'm not sure.. I gues I could rip it apart and see03:29
Bartmanlet me google first03:29
nomasteryodaBartman: no03:29
Bartmanwhat is linuxant03:29
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nomasteryodagoogle for it03:29
nomasteryodalinuxant is a way to use the windows driver03:29
nomasteryodafor certain cards03:30
Bartmanoooh03:30
nomasteryodaor try03:30
nomasteryodandiswrapper03:30
nomasteryodawhich is free03:30
BartmanI'm looking at the www site.. bu tI need to find the chipset first.. one sec03:30
nomasteryodalinuxant is $2003:30
nomasteryodaBartman:03:30
nomasteryodado a dmes03:30
nomasteryodag03:30
nomasteryodadmesg03:30
|QuaD|hey, i am normally a kde user but decided to give ubuntu/gnome a try. I was looking through the "configuration editor" (ie gconf-editor)... can i use that to edit any confic file? like apache?03:30
Bartmanon the nux box?03:30
nomasteryodayea03:30
nomasteryodain the term03:30
Bartmanone sec let me go in the basement03:30
nomasteryodalol03:30
SmokingFireis hoary better now? Last time I tried it synaptic had crashes03:30
|QuaD|iin the term?03:31
nomasteryodamine's working03:31
|QuaD|SmokingFire: did you make it so there is a root account?03:31
Bartmanit's for my room mates sister who is "slow" she keeps killing the XP install and I'm trying to get her set up with ubuntu03:31
nomasteryodaBartman: excellent03:31
wasabi_got it.03:31
nomasteryodadont' tell her she can use sudo03:31
SmokingFire|QuaD|: no, used default settings and did an upgrade by changing all references in sources.list from warty to hoarty.03:32
nomasteryodahoary03:32
|QuaD|ohh... i am not using hoary03:32
Bartmandmesg spit out pages of stuff.. what am I looking for03:32
|QuaD|nomasteryoda: was that for me the "in the term"?03:32
nomasteryodafor bartman03:32
nomasteryodasrt03:32
nomasteryodasry03:32
|QuaD|do you know the answer to my question?03:32
SmokingFiredoes hoary come with firefox 1.0RC?03:33
robertjSmoking: yeah03:33
SmokingFirerobertj: anyother noticeable changes.03:33
Bartmanwhat am I looking for in dmesg03:33
nomasteryodajust sec03:33
robertjYes, the new find bar03:34
robertjthe one that was in warty before it was reverted prior to release03:34
nomasteryodaBartman: what card type again?03:34
nomasteryodalabel that is03:34
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Bartmanhawking hwp10203:34
nomasteryodaok03:34
nomasteryodalook for hwp10203:34
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nomasteryodayou can grep it03:35
SmokingFirerobertj: I'm wondering about the distro it self.03:35
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robertjOh, yeah03:35
nomasteryodadmesg | grep hwp10203:35
robertjEvolution is majorly bork, X11 is replaced with Xorg, and you can't count on anything working at all in hoary03:36
Bartmannothing03:36
robertjeverything that is broken will be fixed next week and everything that is fixed will be broken next week.03:36
nomasteryodajust sec03:36
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Bartmanprehaps I should just shut it down and pull the card03:37
|QuaD|also, another question, i have installed apache2 and ssh (those are the only daemons).... how come when i do a port scan ON MYSELF it shows ports 25(smtp), 111 (sunrpc), 631(ipp), and 930(unknown) open?03:37
alka_trashhello room03:37
SmokingFirerobertj: ok, I will wait then.03:37
Bartmannot much info on this card on the net03:37
nomasteryodaBartman: is it PCI / PCMCIA or USB03:37
Bartmanpci03:37
nomasteryodaBartman: is it PCI, PCMCIA or USB03:37
alka_trashwhat's the best way to install the latest nvidia driver?03:38
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nomasteryodalol03:38
asdf_46alka_trash, look in the wiki03:38
alka_trashoops, okay03:38
asdf_46alka_trash, binary driver install I think03:38
|QuaD|can anyone answer my question?03:38
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Bartmanalka_trash did you try using the Synaptic manager03:38
nomasteryodaQuaD03:38
nomasteryodadid you say hoarty03:39
alka_trashnot for the one that was release yesterday03:39
HrdwrBoBhaha03:39
alka_trashbecause it wasn't updated yet03:39
|QuaD|nope03:39
HrdwrBoBmy first deb03:39
nomasteryodaok03:39
nomasteryodano clue03:39
nomasteryodaGmail, can you help QuaD?03:39
HrdwrBoBhttp://kaos.vicnet.net.au/transset_0.1+cvs.20041110-1_i386.deb03:39
Bartmanalka_trash does it really matter? What does the new driver fix03:39
|QuaD|Gmail: can you answer my quest?03:40
alka_trashit increases doom3 performance   :)03:40
|QuaD|one thing to remember is that it is on my computer i am doing the scan03:40
Gmail|QuaD|: whats the problem?03:40
|QuaD|"also, another question, i have installed apache2 and ssh (those are the only daemons).... how come when i do a port scan ON MYSELF it shows ports 25(smtp), 111 (sunrpc), 631(ipp), and 930(unknown) open?"03:40
alka_trashI can't help but want the latest and greatest03:40
Bartmanmy intel box has an ATI video card.. I've given up on gaming on linux :P03:40
umarmung|QuaD|, 25 is sendmail, 631 is cups, 111 and 930? is for fam03:40
Gmailalka_trash: hoary03:41
alka_trashokay03:41
|QuaD|sendmail comes configured?03:41
alka_trashGmail: are you running it?03:41
asdf_46|QuaD|, I think it is postfix03:41
nomasteryodaBartman: PCI ok03:41
alka_trashif so how is it?03:41
nomasteryodagoogled it03:41
Bartmanfound it!03:41
nomasteryodaBartman: in dmesg?03:42
Bartmandang.. I'm usually good googleing for info03:42
|QuaD|interesting... apt-get remove postfix/sendmail? would that break anything?03:42
BartmanI didn't find it in dmesg03:42
umarmungoops sorry, postfix03:42
Bartmanoh wait a sec03:42
nomasteryodaBartman: you can grep for PCI03:42
Bartmannomasteryoda I do see something refering to my wireless network name03:42
nomasteryodaok03:42
Bartmannothing under pci03:42
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Cube-nessdoes adding hoary stuff to apt-get work, as in, can you update from warty to hoary and is hoary in a working state?03:43
Bartmaneth0 gives info about my wireless network name and stuff03:43
Bartmanis that a good start?03:43
nomasteryodaCube-ness: yes03:43
BartmanI have WEP enabled but don't know how to config the password in linux03:43
alka_trashdamn, it's hard to change to hoary, warty is working so well03:44
BartmanI'm getting the BSSID and SSID of my network03:45
adoyretsamon|utbBartman, look under System Configuration > Networking >03:45
alka_trashnomasteryoda: do you like hoary?03:45
adoyretsamon|utbman, you are almost there03:45
adoyretsamon|utbyea03:45
LifesizeKenDollHoary is nice03:46
LifesizeKenDollseems to work out quite alright03:46
Bartmannow I have 2 nics installed.. one ethernet and this wireless03:46
adoyretsamon|utbok03:46
SmokingFirewhat will I notice about x.org vs xfree86? As an end user.03:46
HrdwrBoBSmokingFire: currently unless you want to play with stuff03:46
Bartmanin the networking I see one card and it says ethernet lan card eth0, but with dmesg eth0 looks like the wireless one03:46
HrdwrBoB.. SFA03:46
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HrdwrBoBhttp://kaos.vicnet.net.au/Screenshot-4.png  you can do that though03:46
alka_trashThanks everyone, I'm updating my repositories to hoary03:47
LifesizeKenDollalka_trash: good luck03:47
LifesizeKenDollSmokingFire: X.org is faster03:47
alka_trash;)03:47
Unfunhow is X.org with ati?03:48
adoyretsamon|utbBartman, disable the wired card03:48
LifesizeKenDollUnfun: bad03:48
SmokingFireok so not just eyecandy03:48
adoyretsamon|utbwill make life easier03:48
Unfunyikes03:48
Bartmanok I'm trying to add a new wireless nic now03:48
LifesizeKenDollalka_trash: `sed 's/warty/hoary' /etc/apt/sources.lst |sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list`03:48
alka_trashThanks03:48
adoyretsamon|utbBartman, on my suse box I had to delete all cards then plug one at a time03:48
oddabe19what package holds gnome-panel-screenshot?03:49
LifesizeKenDollUnfun: yea, ATI hasn't released drivers in a while03:49
LifesizeKenDolloddabe19: I want to know that too03:49
oddabe19cause mine broke today03:49
oddabe19when i upgraded03:49
Bartmanadoyretsamon|utb I'm thinking that may be a good idea03:49
LifesizeKenDolloddabe19: yea, I just use Gimp's screenshot for now03:49
adoyretsamon|utbBartman, yes03:49
adoyretsamon|utbsince she wants to go wireless03:49
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adoyretsamon|utband it is seeing your SSID03:49
alka_trashand it's off03:50
eclipsedoes anyone know how to change the splash screen in gnome?03:50
Bartmanhmm.. it crashed the network window03:50
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adoyretsamon|utblol03:50
adoyretsamon|utbfigures03:50
adoyretsamon|utbi have noticed that03:50
eclipsedoes anyone know how to change the splash screen in gnome?03:50
adoyretsamon|utbbreaks the hostname relationship03:50
SmokingFireelessar: in gconf03:50
SmokingFiredid it once but don't remember how03:51
adoyretsamon|utbwill have to restartX03:51
|QuaD|how do i install sun java packages?03:51
LifesizeKenDolleclipse: don't spam03:51
Bartmanrestarting X03:51
nomasteryodaQuaD, check the wiki03:51
LifesizeKenDoll|QuaD|: ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java03:51
gabaughow does Canonical make money from Ubuntu? How can they afford to burn and ship CDs to people?03:51
Bartmanis there a way to make X auto login as a user03:51
BartmanOH FUCK IT WORKS!!!!03:51
Bartman:)))03:51
adoyretsamon|utbLOLK03:51
LifesizeKenDollBartman: sudo gdm-setup03:52
adoyretsamon|utbgreat03:52
SmokingFireelessar: goto www.gnome-look.org or kde-look.org (for gnomes themes off course) and then look at one splashscreen download and look for the howto install instructions.03:52
BartmanI never though it would03:52
alka_trashpie03:52
BartmanI thought I looked under that networking but I must have missed it03:52
alka_trashez as pie03:52
BartmanI would have figured to add a new card like that..03:52
Bartmanthanks so much doods03:52
adoyretsamon|utbnp03:52
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eclipselifesizekendoll, u know how to change the splash screen?03:53
SmokingFiregabaug: as cannical is owned by an south african he illegally trades in diamonds, which he uses to fund his other enterprises or better said to launder his main business.03:53
|QuaD|i tried to follow the instructions on the wiki, synaptic won't let me add that03:53
BartmanLifesizeKenDoll gdm-setup dosn't do anything03:53
Bartman?03:53
jdubSmokingFire: um, dude. please don't.03:53
LifesizeKenDollBartman: whoops, sudo gdmsetup03:54
LifesizeKenDolleclipse: sorry, dunno03:54
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Bartmanhmm.. I already have it set to login as Amber at first boot.. I must be confused :)03:55
adoyretsamon|utbSmokingFire, yea, please don't03:55
SmokingFireok03:55
LifesizeKenDolland I just solved eclipse's problem03:55
LifesizeKenDolllol03:55
BartmanI'll also set it to auto log her in after 1 sec03:55
adoyretsamon|utbgood03:55
adoyretsamon|utbanything to make it simple for a noob03:55
SmokingFirehow do you feel about the bookmarks in firefox being based on the filesystem? It would make it easier to manage.03:55
adoyretsamon|utbyea03:56
adoyretsamon|utbit would03:56
alka_trashI just had a deep thoght on how cool it is to be upgrade my distro03:56
adoyretsamon|utbbut too much like IE03:56
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Bartmanyou guys rock!03:56
adoyretsamon|utblol03:56
LifesizeKenDollBartman: yay!03:56
Bartmanwhen do you think Firefox 1 will be out in Synaptic03:56
adoyretsamon|utbglad i dropped in for a bit03:56
LifesizeKenDollBartman: a day or so for Hoary, I bet03:56
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GnuHippyis anybody using XFCE 4.2 beta 2?03:56
SmokingFireadoyretsamon|utb: not all ideas from IE team are bad.03:56
LifesizeKenDollBartman: I hope03:56
LifesizeKenDollGnuHippy: I used to03:56
adoyretsamon|utbSmokingFire, true03:56
adoyretsamon|utbjust most of them03:56
adoyretsamon|utb=)03:56
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LifesizeKenDollIE team: let's tie the browser into the kernel!03:57
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LifesizeKenDollGnuHippy: Ubuntu's not really a place for XFCE03:57
SmokingFireadoyretsamon|utb: well, <my reply is better suited for off topic>03:57
adoyretsamon|utbBartman, if you didn't notice, my other nick is nomasteryoda03:57
adoyretsamon|utbSmokingFire, true03:57
Bartmanadoyretsamon|utb oh, was I talking to you both or something03:58
Bartman:)03:58
HrdwrBoB[1] +  Segmentation fault      xcompmgr -cCfF -r7 -o.65 -l-10 -t-8 -D703:58
SmokingFirebut in general do you think a filesystem based bookmarks is a good idea?03:58
HrdwrBoBexcellent03:58
LifesizeKenDollGnuHippy: I used to use XFCE-4.1.91 when I had Debian03:58
robertjSmoking: they are a wonderful idea03:58
Lathiatdaniels: woo :)03:58
SmokingFireok, I will see if I can request a feature request on mozilla, firefox bugzilla.03:59
robertjHrdwrBob: those settings work for me03:59
robertjit's soooo slow though03:59
LifesizeKenDollSmokingFire: you do that03:59
SmokingFireLifesizeKenDoll: Doing it right now.03:59
nomasteryodaBartman: yea, i'm toggling between my SuSE box and my Ubuntu04:00
HrdwrBoBrobertj: no it works04:00
HrdwrBoBbut after a while it segfaults04:00
robertjHrdwr: how is spee?04:00
HrdwrBoBit's slow, even on an 'accelerated' nvidia card04:00
robertjerr speed?04:00
HrdwrBoBwell, it's useable04:00
HrdwrBoBbut it's noticably slower04:00
Bartmansweet guys she seems to like it04:01
BartmanI allready had her using firefox so it's not like it's much different04:01
adoyretsamon|utbgood04:01
adoyretsamon|utbBartman, tweak it up04:01
robertjHrdwrBoB: What chipset?04:01
Bartmantweak it? how04:02
AlohaWolfis there a way to speed up DNS in ubuntu?04:02
HrdwrBoBrobertj: gf440mx ugh04:02
adoyretsamon|utboh, just pretty backgrounds04:02
adoyretsamon|utbthemes04:02
adoyretsamon|utbfor firefox04:02
adoyretsamon|utbetc04:02
Bartmandone.. got  Dale jr. on the desktop for her04:02
adoyretsamon|utbsweet04:02
robertjSPeed is okay on small windows here04:02
adoyretsamon|utbso she is <3004:03
Bartmanjust over 3004:03
labanuxHow can we edit the configuration of grub..??04:03
adoyretsamon|utbwow04:03
gabaugjdub, adoyretsamon|utb: do either of you know the real story to my question, then? (how Canonical makes money)04:03
labanuxi've tried looking for grub.conf,but there's no grub.conf04:03
HrdwrBoBlabanux: you can run sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst04:03
LifesizeKenDolllabanux: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst04:03
adoyretsamon|utblabanux: sudo vi /boot/grub/menu.lst04:04
labanuxoh.., so the configuration is in /boot/grub/menu.lst ..04:04
adoyretsamon|utb=)04:04
labanuxthanx guys......04:04
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robertjHrdwr: ooh, make a real small window then click panel to minimize it04:04
HrdwrBoBlabanux: it always has been04:04
robertjand it fades out purty04:04
HrdwrBoBlabanux: grub.conf is a symlink04:04
HrdwrBoBrobertj: yes :)04:04
HrdwrBoBrobertj: try alt-tab04:04
jdubgabaug: professional services and support.04:05
adoyretsamon|utbthat is sweet04:05
oddabe19LifesizeKenDoll, i've been googling all over the place for that package... you have any ideas?04:06
robertjthe effect on that is a bit rough04:06
adoyretsamon|utbrobertj, yea...kde's is smoother, but doesn't do the boxing04:06
LifesizeKenDolloddabe19: sorry man, I suggest just use the Gimp04:06
robertjdo any cards get mostly-seamless performance?04:07
HrdwrBoBrobertj: most of the slowness is architectural limitations04:07
adoyretsamon|utbnvidia in my book04:07
Unfunnvidia for sure04:07
Unfunmy ati performs like shit04:08
robertjso the new nvidia stuff does well?04:08
adoyretsamon|utbbut this ATI is good - but only on ubuntu04:08
HrdwrBoBrobertj: well enough04:09
AlohaWolfhmm.. installing bind speeds things up04:09
Unfunadoyretsamon|utb what ATI?04:09
adoyretsamon|utbjust sec04:09
robertjis the i810 slowness drivers or hardware?04:09
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adoyretsamon|utbRadeon 7200 R10004:10
adoyretsamon|utb64mb04:10
Unfunhmm04:10
adoyretsamon|utbi have played bzflag04:10
Unfunadoyretsamon|utb can you send me your XFree86-4 config?04:10
adoyretsamon|utbwith no problems04:10
adoyretsamon|utbsure04:10
Unfuni cant get my Radeon 7000 to work04:10
Unfunim assuming it's pretty much the same card04:10
LifesizeKenDollUnfun: I don't get your name04:11
UnfunIt's refernce to one of my favorites bands album04:12
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nimci couldnt get my radeon 7500 to work with ati's binary drivers.... it doesn't seem to be supported :(04:12
LifesizeKenDollUnfun: which band?04:13
labanuxnimc: radeon 7500?04:13
robertjbtw, can XFCE be configured to ues dock-like behavior?04:13
UnfunJawbreaker04:13
LifesizeKenDollrobertj: what do you mean dock-like?04:13
nimclabanux, yes04:13
labanuxnimc: i'm using radeon 7000, but there's nothing wrong04:13
LifesizeKenDollrobertj: I used XFCE-4 a lot04:13
robertjLarge Icons that activate/start an application, can be drug on and off the panel, etc04:13
Unfunhey labanux you get your 7000 to work?04:13
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labanuxnimc: have you make any change to X11 system?04:14
robertjand open programs automatically appear04:14
LifesizeKenDollrobertj: I don't think so04:14
nimcfglrx drivers won't work, i get struck on 'sudo modprobe fglrx' - says device not found04:14
LifesizeKenDollrobertj: it's planned for 4.4, not 4.204:14
labanuxUnfun: yeah.., my radeon 7000 work well04:14
Unfunlabanux i have a 7000 card, tried fglrx and get the same error as nimc04:14
Unfunlabanux what driver you using? ati or fglrx?04:14
nimclabanux, i assume that fglrx needs to be changed, not x1104:15
adoyretsamon|utbUnfun: it also helps to change the hdparm04:15
adoyretsamon|utbfor your HD04:15
adoyretsamon|utbor DMA04:15
adoyretsamon|utbi do both04:15
labanuxUnfun: sorry.., i'm ati radeon 700004:15
nimcthe ati driver that came builtin with ubuntu works fine04:15
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adoyretsamon|utbnimc, that is the one I'm using04:15
robertjLifesize: I really like Gnome04:15
Unfuni tried the built int driver but i get a huge virtual display instead of a usuable screen.04:16
labanuxnimc: yeah..., i'm sorry i'm using ati radeon7000, not fglrx radeon 700004:16
robertjI really wish there was a way to make a bigger task list04:16
Unfuni have a 7000 at work im trying to get going.04:16
nimclabanux, fglxrx is just the name of the linux driver04:16
LifesizeKenDollrobertj: I wish I could I have a real dock04:16
nimcfglrx04:16
robertjyou can make it 41 px tall but if you make it 42 it splits your buttons up onto another row04:16
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adoyretsamon|utbrobertj, there has to be a conf file to mod that04:17
bigtquestion: anyone know of a way to get shockwave to work with firefox other than having to buy crossover?04:18
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adoyretsamon|utbshell out the buckx04:18
bigtnot a chance04:18
adoyretsamon|utbyea04:18
adoyretsamon|utbbut crossover is nice04:18
bborkkAnyone know when we can expect libfreetype6 2.1.9 to appear in Ubuntu?  It's currently at 2.1.7.04:18
adoyretsamon|utbworks well too04:18
adoyretsamon|utbi run Dreamweaver MX on it04:18
bigtwell ill hav to steal it then :)04:19
adoyretsamon|utbhehe04:19
adoyretsamon|utband all the apps run04:19
adoyretsamon|utbeven flash04:19
adoyretsamon|utbbut that is another topic04:19
bigti assume you like spending money :)04:19
adoyretsamon|utbno04:19
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adoyretsamon|utbthat is at work04:19
adoyretsamon|utbhere i just use linux04:20
adoyretsamon|utbif you want a good web editor04:20
adoyretsamon|utbnvu is great04:20
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bigtadoy: question why are you using linux seriously since it appears alot of stuff don't work this is my 2nd day of using linux and i'm not sold yet04:22
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nomasteryodabigt, like what?04:25
nomasteryodacontrol04:25
nomasteryodai like control04:26
nomasteryodanot being controlled04:26
nomasteryodaby MS04:26
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HrdwrBoBbigt: I use linux all day everyday at home and work :)04:26
UnfunALL DAY EVERY DAY04:27
nomasteryodaHrdwrBoB: me too... though I have to provide support at work for MS users04:27
alka_trashnice I'm trying to convince my boss, I was able to install linux as kiosk computer though04:27
nomasteryodabut my main box is linux04:27
nomasteryodaheck, I like it so much I have 6 distros on my work laptop04:27
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alka_trashdoes anyone feel that linux will take over mac computers04:29
nomasteryodabigt, look here... mgalug.org04:29
Unfunalka_trash no04:29
nomasteryodalots of reasons to love linux04:29
alka_trashUnfun: even with adobe support04:29
Unfunyes.04:29
HrdwrBoBalka_trash: I don't think so, however gnome especially is fast approaching the 'niceness' of OS X04:29
nomasteryodai second that04:30
alka_trashI just don't know what mac has that's so special ( not trying to start war )04:31
weasellofor some reason - when I left this morning, I had GAIM open, along with various web browsers and etc.; when I came home, it was just the desktop running. Nobody closed any windows, and logging in requires a password so that rules out crash/power outage/reboot. Any clues as to what happened?04:31
alka_trashother than hardware, and linux can run on it04:31
nomasteryodacoolness and ease for user04:31
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deweyweasello: nope04:31
AlohaWolfis there a way to modify things so X starts in Init 3 instead of Init 2?04:32
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jdubAlohaWolf: remove the symlink from rc2.d04:33
jdubAlohaWolf: that's not really 'the debian way' though :)04:33
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AlohaWolfjdub, I know.. but I want X to be on a seperate runlevel from rest of the system04:34
oddabe19anyone else getting random logouts?04:34
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jduboddabe19: try switching the screensaver to 'blank screen only' and see if it does it again04:34
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oddabe19is there a bug?04:35
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oddabe19jdub, is there a bug in the screensaver daemon04:36
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jduboddabe19: it's usually a problem with the GL screensavers04:37
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bborkkpunkass: hey, how goes the pyfi?  seems like there's been some improvement in the latest gnome network admin tool.  still not what it should be, though.04:38
oddabe19I don't know... i've been runing hoary successfully for a while... this seemed like it started today04:38
oddabe19but i'll try what you said04:38
deweyweasello: I shut them all down while you were out. :)04:38
bob2Kamion: ah, oops, sorry; I couldn't remember the exact option so I googled04:38
punkasshey bborkk...havent done much with lately..damn life getting in the way04:38
punkassjust doing a dist-upgrade to hoary04:39
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bborkkpunkass: yeah, funny how that happens.04:39
genhey guys, ever since i got the hoary upgrades, xmms isn't working properly, vlc skips in dvd playing, after these occur, i freeze upon logout, this can't be normal, right?04:39
punkassyeah..its blows me away sometimes...04:39
gen(but it was fine on warty)04:39
jdubgen: WELCOME TO THE DEVELOPMENT BRANCH :-)04:39
genhaha04:40
gen:)04:40
oddabe19gen file bugs04:40
punkassi noticed that xorg is now in hoary eh04:40
oddabe19i personally haven't had the problems you're describing.04:40
oddabe19punkass, Hi, i'm 10 hrs ago... have we met?? ;-)04:40
oddabe19:-P04:40
oddabe19it's very nice04:40
GnuHippyit sounds like the problem I am having with not be able to enable DMA04:41
oddabe19composite is slow as hell though04:41
oddabe19even with renderaccel04:41
GnuHippythats odd04:41
GnuHippydo you have the latest nvidia driver04:41
GnuHippy?04:41
punkassyeah...any trick with getting rid of xfree before getting xorg?04:41
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oddabe19punkass, no, it'll do it automatically04:41
jdubpunkass: just upgrade.04:41
jdubpunkass: otherwise you wouldn't be testing potential upgrade bugs...04:41
adoyretsamon|utbjust use smart upgrade04:42
punkassi just did an dist-upgrade and didnt see it04:42
punkasshmm04:42
SuperQ*cri*04:42
SuperQubuntu doesn't detect my floppy drive04:42
robertjpunk: I got the same thing,  install xserver-xorg04:42
SuperQsad04:42
punkassrobertj: ok thanks04:43
punkassoh i see an xorg-common but that is all04:43
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electricsheepdrewhat would you guys suggest for a media player?04:44
genmplayer and vlc04:44
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jdubelectricsheepdre: totem-xine04:44
punkassi just use totem and rhythmbox04:44
electricsheepdreis there a mplayer .deb package?04:44
adoyretsamon|utbupgrading this system right now04:44
adoyretsamon|utbto hoary04:44
electricsheepdretotam hasnt played anything yet04:44
genadoy good luck04:44
electricsheepdretotem*04:44
jdubelectricsheepdre: install totem-xine04:44
punkassget totem-xine04:45
jdubelectricsheepdre: then get things like w32codecs and so on04:45
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adoyretsamon|utbis there an easy autoconfigure script for grub?04:45
electricsheepdrewhere could I find a list of codecs I should get?04:45
genshould i expect these problems im having on hoary to work themselves out over the next few updates04:46
genor should i go back to warty04:46
punkassw32codecs will get you most of them04:46
electricsheepdrecool04:46
wasabi_There a Amd64 howto?04:46
punkassand get libdvdcss will allow playing of dvds04:46
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adoyretsamon|utbonly 614 packages remaining04:47
adoyretsamon|utblol04:47
genthat all?04:47
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punkassonly 237 for me :)04:47
electricsheepdrecouldnt find package w32codecs04:47
punkassits not part of ubuntu for legal reasons04:47
punkassyou need a different repository...pretty sure there is a howto on ubuntus site04:49
jdubit's in multiverse04:49
jdub(hrm, probably not for warty, never mind)04:50
punkasscool04:50
punkasswhat about libdvdcss?04:50
electricsheepdrecouldnt find that either04:51
punkassFor apt-get add in your /etc/apt/sources.list04:52
punkassdeb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main04:52
punkassor you can use the gui of synaptic04:52
punkassto add them04:52
electricsheepdrew32codecs has no installation candidate04:53
punkassdid you add the line to your sources.list file?04:54
electricsheepdreI used synaptic04:54
punkassdid you do a refresh?04:54
GnuHippytvtime in hoary isn't saving my settings04:54
GnuHippydamn I love the new dscaler plugins though04:55
adoyretsamon|utbyea04:55
adoyretsamon|utbhow new?04:55
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electricsheepdreyeah04:55
GnuHippyI think they just added some in the last 24 hours04:55
GnuHippyadaptive motion advance detect04:56
adoyretsamon|utboh nice04:56
adoyretsamon|utbwill have to get that04:56
adoyretsamon|utbbeen using them for a while now04:56
genok i narrowed down the problems i'm having in hoary, all relate to sound. after attempting to use xmms it will freeze, then i force quit it. even if i don't no sound will work in vlc or mplayer, will say that the sound device is in use. any ideas on whats the problem?04:57
adoyretsamon|utbswitch xmms to alsa04:57
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genit says04:59
genplease check that: your soundcard is configured properly. you have the correct output plugin selected. no other program is blocking the soundcard.04:59
genthen i push ok and it does nothing04:59
punkasselectricsheepdre: change the 'unstable' to 'stable'05:00
punkassfor some reason it is in the stable list and not the unstable one05:01
despjesus05:01
genany ideas guys05:01
despis there anyone here running on ppc that has succesfully gotten mplayer to work under warty?05:01
adoyretsamon|utbgen, thinking05:01
adoyretsamon|utbi had that year or 2 ago05:01
despI have finally compiled the CVS version, but I'm unable to get the vidix drivers to work for some unknown reason, and they're the only ones that give me any performance05:02
punkassgen: you could try to use aplay to play a wav to make sure alsa is working05:02
punkassdesp: just curious...why not just use totem-xine?05:03
geni just tried the esound output, and now got xmms working05:03
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despbecause it's crappy performance-wise05:03
genbut vlc and mplayer still have movie playing sound issues05:03
despmplayer has no issues with sound whatsoever05:03
desphowever vlc and totem-xine do05:04
bborkkpunkass: Does totem-xine have the functionality of mencoder?05:04
punkassive havent had any probs with totem-xine is the only reason i ask05:04
punkassno idea05:04
adoyretsamon|utbgen, try # which alsamixer05:04
genadoy: in what?05:04
punkassterminal05:04
bborkkMencoder is the only reason I use Mplayer.05:04
adoyretsamon|utbterminal05:04
punkasswhat is mencoder for?05:05
bborkkdesp: Did you install Mplayer as a .deb package or did you compile it yourself?05:05
adoyretsamon|utbpunkass, check it out man05:05
adoyretsamon|utbits great05:05
adoyretsamon|utbdecode DVDs, etc05:05
adoyretsamon|utber to make AVIs05:05
despbborkk: I made a .deb from the CVS sources using debian/rules05:05
bborkkpunkass: I use it for stitching together images into movies.05:05
punkassah i see05:06
adoyretsamon|utbbborkk, or the reverse05:06
seek187does anyone know what causes the hw_random FATAL error at bootup during hotplug ??? It makes my system not load sometimes!05:06
stuNNedis ubuntu in control of the gnoppix project nowadays?05:06
bborkkadoyretsamon|utb: True.  Seems like it can do just about anything if you know the right flags.05:06
adoyretsamon|utbbborkk, yea05:06
adoyretsamon|utbi found a new frontend05:06
adoyretsamon|utbyesterday05:06
bborkkwhat's that?05:06
adoyretsamon|utbon freshmeat05:07
bborkkwhich one?05:07
adoyretsamon|utblooking05:07
bborkkseek187: I have the same problem, but it doesn't prevent my system from loading.  I just ignore it.  :)05:07
adoyretsamon|utbhttp://freshmeat.net/projects/kmenc15/ - this is one...05:08
Hikaru79seek187, I've had the same problem since I first installed05:08
adoyretsamon|utbi know there's another05:08
seek187ok05:08
Hikaru79But again, doesn't affect my system in any way05:08
Hikaru79So I let it be05:08
seek187heh05:08
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seek187I installed fedora but I don't really like it and I think i'll put ubuntu back on since that doesn't matter05:09
icuHas anyone installed the fglrx drivers off ati's site?05:09
nomasteryodahere http://it.geocities.com/fnt400/dvdkup/index.htm05:10
nomasteryodaDvdKup05:10
nomasteryodagreat idea05:10
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bborkkicu: nope, i just use the ones available in warty.05:10
schifoany tool to convert xvid to dvd format05:10
schifoso i can burn on dvd and play in dvd player05:11
icubborkk: I did but ati released a new version today that is a huge improvement actually fixing graphical problems(doom 3 now works) rather than just adding support for new cards.05:11
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bborkkicu: Ah, that changes everything.  Any luck?05:12
wasabiWhat was that apt source for xcompmgr?05:12
icubborkk: Nope, I can't get it to compile even with both the kernel source and headers installed, says that there is something wrong with the kernel source05:12
bborkkUgh.05:12
bigti downloaded a rpm file how do you install it in ubuntu please?05:13
wasabibigt, try to use alien.05:13
wasabibigt, but, rpm files suck.05:13
icucuase when you get the kernel source off ubuntu's mirrors the include dir doesn't even have a version.h in the include directory05:13
bigtjust type apt-get install alien?05:13
wasabiit might already be installed.05:13
nomasteryodabigt, yea05:13
punkassalien yourfile.rpm05:13
geneh these sound problems are annoying05:13
bigtoh ok05:13
bigtone question05:13
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punkassthat will make a deb file05:14
bigti marked samba for install but its already installed05:14
punkasswhich you can then install with dpkg -i yourfile.deb05:14
bigtso now when i go to to do my installs i always get a samba error now05:14
bigtis there a way to unmark it?05:14
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punkassand you just right click it in synaptic and hit unmark05:14
bigtok will try05:14
bigtthanks05:15
punkassnp05:15
seek187Does warty get updated often?05:15
GnuHippyno only security related updates05:15
wasabiHow does the amd64 version work? Is it multiarch?05:15
seek187ohhh05:15
HrdwrBoBwasabi: pure6405:15
Lathiatseek187: All work is being done in Hoary from now on05:16
GnuHippyno wasabi not yet05:16
seek187so how do you get like firefox 1.0 ?05:16
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wasabiOkay. Is multiarch being worked on?05:16
HrdwrBoBwasabi: no05:16
wasabiAnd if so, which spec?05:16
wasabi=-( k05:16
GnuHippythey are adding greater compatibility in hoary05:16
GnuHippyI read it in the wiki05:16
GnuHippyeverything that you can get for the i386 version you will be able to get for the amd64 version from the repository05:17
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bigtwhat the heck is a sh file?05:17
wasabia shell script.05:18
genanyone know exactly what "esd" is05:18
wasabiyes05:18
genwhen i "killall esd", it fixed my sound problems05:18
HrdwrBoBgen: the gnome sound daemon05:18
wasabienlightenment sound daemon. It is a daemon which runs.05:18
icuenlightenment sound daemon05:18
bigtit says install-crossover-pro.3.0.0.sh05:18
wasabiAnd mixes multiple sound sources.05:18
geni see05:18
wasabiGnome right now requires it for gnome actions.05:18
HrdwrBoBbigt: run 'sh install-crossover-pro.3.0.0.sh'05:18
wasabigen, your problem is you do not have a multichannel sound card.05:18
bigtso just type ./install.......05:18
gentheres a problem with it and alsa in hoary05:18
wasabiSo esd uses your single channel.05:18
bigtok let me try that05:18
wasabiNo, it's your sound card.05:18
genwasabi: this is true too05:18
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bigti'm learning so sorry to be a pest05:18
genok wasabi, but it worked fine in warty05:19
wasabigen, dunno then. ;)05:19
HrdwrBoBbigt: or if it's executrable, you can use ./install ...05:19
HrdwrBoBbigt: that's ok05:19
bigtits working with the sh :)05:19
HrdwrBoByeah both will work05:20
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bigtwhat the hell it says must login as root i thought i was root i typed sudo -s05:21
bigtit says root@bigt:~05:21
HrdwrBoBthat's .. odd05:22
HrdwrBoBoh, what's after the ~05:22
wasabiWhere are the gstreamer plugins for mp3's?05:22
bborkkmultiverse05:23
jdubwasabi: gstreamer0.8-mad05:23
wasabiand the other non-distributables.05:23
wasabik05:23
jdubthat one's in universe05:23
bigthang ona  sec05:23
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bborkkeh?05:23
wasabii guess i don't understand multiverse05:23
jdubmultiverse is non-free05:23
wasabiwhat, is it located offshore of the US or some stuff?05:23
wasabiahh okay.05:23
jdubequivalent of contrib/non-free05:23
jdubuniverse is main05:23
jdubdebian main05:23
bigtroot@bigtony:~/.Azureus/downloads #05:23
jdubmain == ubuntu supported05:23
imnesI'm using the amd64-k8 kernel I think I need to build the nvidia driver myself, but I'm getting an error in the installer about can't find configured kernel source, any ideas?05:24
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wasabiThere's another quesiton too. Is the amd64 bit kernel runnable with a 32 bit userspace?05:24
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wasabiI never got around to trying a 64 bit kernel before... but if you guys have packages im all over it.05:24
bigti got it05:25
bigthad to type su05:25
genanyone know the latest discover package version05:27
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heavyi have a new install and i'm running xchat now, evolution starts up, but i cannot get firefox to start05:29
adoyretsamon|utbhoary upgrade... lol Preconfiguring packages ...05:29
adoyretsamon|utb(Reading database ... 73818 files and directories currently installed.)05:29
Lathiatis that all? :)05:30
adoyretsamon|utbheavy, did you upgrade firefox?05:30
heavyadoyretsamon|utb, nope05:31
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adoyretsamon|utbhave not seen that error05:31
adoyretsamon|utbout of 20 installs05:31
heavy0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu305:31
heavyrror: No running window found05:31
heavyauto selected locale: en-US05:31
adoyretsamon|utbfollow directions on wiki05:32
wasabiHow do I change the language to American? :)05:32
adoyretsamon|utbupdate using synaptic05:32
wasabiI can't stand Colour and Centred anymore. =/05:32
adoyretsamon|utber, at login screen05:32
bborkkYou just have to open the right dialogue.05:32
adoyretsamon|utbalong the bar at the bottom of login screen05:33
GammaRayis there anyway to search in aptitude?05:34
jjh /05:34
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GammaRaythanks05:35
jjhnp05:35
gendoes anyone know the latest discover package05:35
genv #05:35
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bigti assume you have to add firefox to cross over for shockwave sites to work ?05:36
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nomasteryodayea05:37
nomasteryodayou already got it?05:37
bigtok so i gues click on office setup05:37
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bigtand then just add it?05:37
genwhen i goto app->sys tools-> shares, and enter my root password it says its incorrect05:37
bigtyeah i got it to install05:37
bigtthanks for the help by the way guys05:37
nomasteryodagen, no root password05:37
geni leave it blank still wont let me in05:37
nomasteryodasudo05:37
Lathiatgen: You need to type your password, not the root password05:37
stuNNedok, i'm liking aptitude :)05:38
nomasteryodaright05:38
geni typed mine05:38
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genim confusing myself because im tired05:38
genbut yea i typed mine to this account05:38
genincorrect05:38
Lathiatumm well i dont have a shares so i cant try iot05:39
nomasteryodacapslock?05:39
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gennope05:39
genOBVIOUSLY HURR05:39
gen:)05:39
nomasteryodalol05:39
tolstoyhas there been much pain installing the new xorg on hoary?05:39
tolstoyhaven't seen anything on the mailing list05:39
nomasteryodagen, you need some sleep05:39
gennomasteryoda: i know :/05:39
oddabe19tolstoy, there was this morning, but it's great now05:39
nomasteryodatolstoy: will know in about 30min here05:40
genwhy can't i enter shares, arg ahoy05:40
tolstoyyeah, i shouldn't've put hoary on my only home desktop machine, but ah well.05:40
gentolstoy: risk is fun05:41
daculascan i upgrade Warty to Hoary without reinstall all the systeM?05:41
gendaculas: yes05:41
nomasteryodayes05:41
tolstoyyeap. I was thinking hoary was like debian unstable, not like rawhide.05:41
oddabe19i've had no problems really with hoary05:41
geni had sound problems, now fixed05:41
genand now no problems on hoary05:41
wasabii wonder if they'res some sort of zeroconf spec for local static routes.05:41
tolstoyi had bad probs at work. newer machine, SMP, etc.  but it's okay here.  trash applet's broke.05:41
daculasso what's the basic operation should I take? I'm really new to ubuntu(or debian).05:42
geni'm really new to linux, ubuntu being my first distro, and i got hoary 2 days after first install. risk is life.05:42
nixmananyone tell me how i can get my default gnome panels back ? i inadvertedly deleted the bottom one.05:43
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genwell daculas05:43
gensudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list05:43
genchange the warty strings05:43
gento hoary05:43
gensave05:43
daculasthen sudo apt-get update ?05:43
GammaRaynixman: I don't think you can delete all of them05:43
genthen sudo apt-get upgrade05:43
bluewheeli am using ppc, I was wondering if the cpu frequency scaling works in the default install, mine shows that it is supported but i can't get it lower than 100%05:43
genthen sudo apt-get dist-upgrade05:44
bborkkdaculas: You can also do this through Synaptic.05:44
bluewheelanyone know ?05:44
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nomasteryodai also have the universe and multiverse and ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/05:44
genbborkk: terminal is the funnest ya heard?05:44
genfunnest harr, ok im off to sleep05:44
daculasThanks,gen05:44
nixmanGammaRay, i deleted one of them. the bottom one. i just want to get it back05:44
gendaculas: np05:44
daculassnap time, cu all guys.05:44
nixmanGammaRay, there is no configuration file that govern this ?05:45
GammaRaynixman: just add another panel and put the tasklist, showdesktop button and desktop pager on it05:45
GammaRaynixman: ~/.gconf05:45
adoyretsamon|utbgen05:45
genyes adoy05:46
adoyretsamon|utbi get it too05:46
adoyretsamon|utbsame error05:46
adoyretsamon|utbon shares05:46
genyea doy, happened to me in warty too05:46
gennot sure why05:46
GammaRayis gnome-ppp in hoary? is anyone thinking out adding it? it's a pretty nice frontend for wvdial.05:46
adoyretsamon|utbgen05:47
adoyretsamon|utblet's try something05:47
genok adoy05:47
GammaRay-out +about05:47
adoyretsamon|utb$ sudo shares-admin05:47
adoyretsamon|utbthat works05:47
adoyretsamon|utbmenu must be broken05:47
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adoyretsamon|utbstill references the root account05:48
genwow adoy05:48
gen<305:48
genmarriage?05:48
adoyretsamon|utblol05:48
gendoes work, you're right.05:48
bigtcrossover appears to be running very slow is there a way to control break it and start over ? its like its locked up05:48
adoyretsamon|utbmight be a bug05:48
adoyretsamon|utbbigt,05:49
adoyretsamon|utbyou can...05:49
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adoyretsamon|utbbut open console05:49
adoyretsamon|utbor terminal05:49
adoyretsamon|utbdo a05:49
bigtwell its laggin the system i can hardly move the mouse :(05:49
adoyretsamon|utbps ax | grep cross05:49
billytwowillywow. upgraded to xorg and no negative side effects other than loss of ati mobility radeon acceleration, which was expected. Nice.05:49
adoyretsamon|utbdo a Ctrl+Alt+F205:49
adoyretsamon|utbthen login05:49
adoyretsamon|utband run grep the ps list05:49
adoyretsamon|utbmaybe just pkill crossover will work?05:50
adoyretsamon|utber, pkill wine05:50
adoyretsamon|utber, pkill wine-server05:50
bigthang on05:50
adoyretsamon|utbi had to do this too05:50
bigti'm doing as you type so if i don't reply thats why05:50
adoyretsamon|utbk05:50
bigtit says i hve new mail and crap but i get no prompt whats up with that05:51
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bigtthere i typed pkill wine-sever05:52
adoyretsamon|utbdid it kill it05:52
bigtnow resources are free at last :)05:52
adoyretsamon|utbok05:52
tolstoyxorg stuff "just worked" for me, but I seem to be missing drop shadows and transparency.  hm.05:52
tolstoy:)05:52
adoyretsamon|utbmake sure you close extra tasks05:52
bigthow di get out of this thing?05:52
GnuHippywhy do they keep changing the colour scheme in xchat in hoary?05:52
bigtdamn i hate being a noob05:52
adoyretsamon|utbbigt?05:52
adoyretsamon|utbout of what05:53
Lathiattolstoy: do they need the composite extension: cus theyre disabled by default?05:53
bigti'm at the console05:53
bigtisn't it exit05:53
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adoyretsamon|utbAlt + F705:53
adoyretsamon|utb?05:53
bigtaww two commands i have to remember05:53
bigtgreat thanks05:53
tolstoyLathiat, I know it's disabled. ;)  And I think I tried a version once: very slow on my poor old matrox.05:53
Lathiatheh05:53
adoyretsamon|utbTo restart X, you can do this.... Ctrl+Alt+Bksp05:53
bigtx i what windows emulator?05:54
adoyretsamon|utbno05:54
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adoyretsamon|utbthat is the envrionment you are in05:54
adoyretsamon|utbGnome runs on X05:54
bigtoh ok05:54
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adoyretsamon|utbnp05:54
GnuHippyx is the graphics subsystem for linux05:54
adoyretsamon|utbCtrl+Alt+F1 or 2,...05:55
bigti do appreciate your patience05:55
adoyretsamon|utbother terminals05:55
adoyretsamon|utbnp05:55
adoyretsamon|utblike people moving to something better05:55
adoyretsamon|utbi have to patch too many winders systems all day long05:55
bigtyeah it seems better05:55
Mojo_Jojoahhh what a night :D05:55
seek187how do I setup my fstab to mount my windows partition without being root?05:55
adoyretsamon|utbi love linux...05:55
bigtjust kickin my ass configuring it05:55
adoyretsamon|utbhow long have you had it running05:56
adoyretsamon|utbor have you used it?05:56
tolstoyYikes! Broken synaptic, with horrible spelling in the message!05:56
bigt2 days now05:56
adoyretsamon|utbwow05:56
bigtlearning alot though05:56
adoyretsamon|utbwill be partly old hat in a few weeks05:56
bigthad to figure out how to get my drives running05:56
bigtand all that05:56
adoyretsamon|utbour site has some info on Ubuntu ... mgalug.org05:56
bigtold hat?05:56
adoyretsamon|utbyea05:56
adoyretsamon|utbnot a pro05:56
bigtwhats that mean sorry05:56
adoyretsamon|utbbut second nature05:57
adoyretsamon|utblol05:57
bigtoh got you05:57
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bigtdamn its almost identical to windows05:57
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bigtexcept it runs better :)05:57
nomasteryodalol05:57
nomasteryodano05:57
bigtmy old p3 45005:57
nomasteryodaonly looks05:57
bigtruns faster05:57
bigtthan it ever has05:57
nomasteryodayea05:58
nomasteryodayou were using XPeee05:58
bigti'm talking about fast05:58
bigthaha05:58
bigti was bout to throw it away05:58
bborkkAnyone here use matplotlib?05:58
tolstoywow.  Nautilus is major broken after today's update.  Hm.05:59
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stuNNedhow do i tell which package owns a file in ubuntooz?06:00
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stuNNedn/m figured it out, dpkg -S06:01
nomasteryodalol06:01
LifesizeKenDolltolstoy: how is Nautilus broken?06:01
nomasteryodabigt: lots of stuff kinda flows this way in Linux06:01
RageMaxhas anyone tried to use the xcomposite extension in hoary?06:02
nomasteryodalike stuNNed's solution06:02
tolstoyLifesizeKenDoll, very, very slow06:02
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nomasteryodabigt, if you want to know the most useful tip for Linux... get to know the terminal/console06:03
britt_radiofreeRageMax, yes06:03
britt_radiofreetolstoy, howso? I had a problem as well ... might be the same.06:03
adoyretsamon|utbwill be restarting soon06:03
RageMaxbritt_radiofree: it's loaded, but it doesn't seem to be functioning06:04
RageMaxI can't really test it either because of the lack of xcompmgr06:04
adoyretsamon|utbfinally got my 600+ packages installed with a Default upgrade to hoary06:04
tolstoybritt_radiofree, I've set it to single click to open, it takes a long time for that to happen.06:04
tolstoybritt_radiofree, right-click menu seems to take its time06:04
adoyretsamon|utbmaybe i need to install my philips/conexant based TV tuner06:05
britt_radiofreeRageMax, sec ... there is a deb src for xcompmgr ... gotta dig i tup06:05
adoyretsamon|utbbetween boots06:05
britt_radiofreetolstoy, try apt-get install gamin06:05
britt_radiofreesee if that fixes things06:05
bigtadoy: noob question how do i determine where mozilla is installed on my system?06:05
bigtthe flash player is asking for the install dir06:05
adoyretsamon|utbwhich mozilla06:06
adoyretsamon|utbtype in terminal06:06
bigtfirefox06:06
tolstoybritt_radiofree, that did the trick.06:06
adoyretsamon|utbok06:06
tolstoybritt_radiofree, i knew there was going to be an update, thought it was automatic. ;)06:06
adoyretsamon|utbcommand is "which firefox06:06
adoyretsamon|utbcommand is "which firefox"06:06
bigthaha06:06
bigtdamn i like that06:06
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bigtthanks06:07
adoyretsamon|utbbigt, try this06:07
adoyretsamon|utbapropos moz06:07
bezakare any of you guys PPC users?06:07
stuNNeddoes Ubuntu use NPTL in glibc?06:07
adoyretsamon|utbi have one,but it is too slow for ubuntu06:07
britt_radiofreetolstoy, yeah i'm not sure why that didn't get installed by default. I'm not that familiar with FAM though ... if anyone want's to explain or point towards some docs06:07
bigtok06:08
tolstoybritt_radiofree, well, that's the quirks of apt-get, i bet.06:08
bigtit says /usr/bin/firefox06:08
bigtbut when i type that it says invalid directory06:08
adoyretsamon|utbok06:08
britt_radiofreetolstoy, well the xorg stuff is still very new and in testing, so ... :)06:09
bigtaww so maybe just usr/bin06:09
bigtcause firefox is the application06:09
adoyretsamon|utbyea if you type firefox06:10
britt_radiofreeRageMax, http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xcompmgr06:10
adoyretsamon|utbyour bash command interpreter06:10
adoyretsamon|utblooks for the file in the path06:10
bigtwhat the hell this thing doesn't like me at all06:10
RageMaxbritt_radiofree: thanks06:10
britt_radiofreeRageMax, no problemo06:10
adoyretsamon|utbdid you just type firefox in a terminal06:10
bigtit says please enter the installation path of the mozilla, netscape or opera browser06:10
bigtyeah i typed which firefox06:11
adoyretsamon|utbbigt, try06:11
tolstoybritt_radiofree, yeap. I ain't complainin.  So far, it's working great, or indistinguishable from the previous: but it does seem a bit snappier. Like painting a racing stripe on your car.06:12
bigt?06:12
adoyretsamon|utbjust sec06:12
bigtk06:12
seek187How do I get Rhythem box to play mp3s?06:12
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bigtgstreamer has to be installed i believe06:13
Lathiatmore to the point, gstreamer0.8-mad06:13
seek187hmm I thought it was06:13
seek187ah ok06:13
seek187thx06:13
Lathiatwhich is in universe06:13
seek187k06:13
adoyretsamon|utbbigt,06:14
bigtnp06:14
bigtyeah06:14
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adoyretsamon|utbwhat did "apropos firefox" return06:14
bigthang on will have to type it06:14
bezakbigt: theres a multimedia tutorial like first hit on google06:14
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adoyretsamon|utbbigt06:15
adoyretsamon|utbnot type06:15
adoyretsamon|utbtake mouse06:15
bigti know06:15
adoyretsamon|utbdrag over text06:15
bigtcut paste06:15
adoyretsamon|utbthen06:15
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bigti'm not on a linux box :)06:15
adoyretsamon|utbmiddle click06:15
adoyretsamon|utbok06:15
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adoyretsamon|utbi see06:15
bigti'm typing to you on windows :)06:15
adoyretsamon|utback06:15
adoyretsamon|utbi forgot06:15
bigtsetting up linux06:15
adoyretsamon|utblate06:15
adoyretsamon|utbyup06:15
bigtbut hang on06:15
bigti will login to here with linux06:15
adoyretsamon|utbbigt, so it does have network connection?06:16
adoyretsamon|utbgood06:16
adoyretsamon|utbrun06:16
adoyretsamon|utbsudo synaptic06:16
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bigtonyok06:16
adoyretsamon|utband update package list06:16
adoyretsamon|utbthen search for firefox06:17
adoyretsamon|utband mozilla06:17
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Cube-nessis there something special i have to do to get xorg? i just updated to hoary06:20
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defendguinhey im trying to log into my other box via ssh and even though sshd is running on that box i cant connect06:24
Pizbitfirewall?06:24
defendguini nmapped the box and it says all 1000 something ports are blocked06:24
PizbitYou'll need to open up the ssh port then06:25
defendguini checked iptables it says the firewall is stopped06:25
wasabiThere any plans for a more decent Java system? Perhaps a global "default VM" option of some sort.06:25
wasabiGentoo has some working stuff. Debian's java-package is a bit lacking.06:26
nixmanis mozplugger still available ?06:26
bborkkI thought that was what Python was for.  :)06:26
hypa7ianixman: i'm using it06:27
nixmanhypa7ia, i cant install it for the life of me. is it not supposed to be in the std repository ?06:28
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nixmanhypa7ia, i have universe and multiverse in my apt/source06:29
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seek187Ok is there anyway to get Firefox 1.0 installed?06:32
Rene_SYeah download it and run the installer06:32
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Rene_SI removed the deb file before I installed it06:32
seek187ok06:32
Rene_SYou need to make menu entries06:32
seek187So I have to do that for any new software that there is??06:33
Rene_SIt doesn't happen automagically06:33
Rene_SNo just some things06:33
nixmanhypa7ia, how did you install mozplugger ?06:33
seek187There no alternative repositories?06:33
seek187ok06:33
Rene_SNo one has make a deb yet that I know off, but I could be wrong06:33
defendguinwhats responsible for setting up all the ports on a linux box?06:34
HrdwrBoBdefendguin: you06:34
defendguinHrdwrBoB, i know i dont have a firewall running but all the ports are closed06:35
Lathiatdefendguin: Each program does it for itself06:36
Lathiatdefendguin: perhaps your ISP has you firewalled or you are using a DSL/cable router that isnt NATting the port accesses06:36
HrdwrBoBdefendguin: correct06:36
HrdwrBoBdefendguin: there are no ports open by default in ubuntu06:36
defendguinno the other box is a fedora core 2 box06:36
defendguini have a router between my ubuntu box and the fc2 box06:37
LathiatWell then thisisnt the place for help with fedora, nor your router :)06:37
Rene_SWoot, I think my wife finally left me06:37
bborkkGood news?06:37
Pizbito_O?06:37
defendguini know i was just asking general non distro specific questions06:37
bezakis mplayer in the universe repository?06:37
Pizbitbezak: no06:37
bborkkbezak: multiverse look for mplayer-custom or some such06:38
Pizbitbezak: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats06:38
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seek187that was easy :)06:38
PizbitRene_S: And if she does come home?06:38
bborkkRene_S: At least you have Ubuntu.06:39
bezakPizbit: oh ok I thought that wouldn't apply to the player thats ok06:39
Rene_SThen I am gonna run like a Mother*&^%$#@06:39
bezaki'm downloading ubuntu now to install on the iMac hopefully everything works :P06:39
Rene_SHow does one do the specific message chat thing in Xchat06:40
bborkkjust type in the nic06:40
Rene_SRene_S hi06:40
PizbitRene_S: You're not being very specific:)06:40
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bborkkexample: your name is Rene_S, so this should be highlighted.06:41
Rene_SOk, try this I wanna know why my name is in red when you nice folks chat at me06:41
bborkkIt's the devil.06:41
PizbitRene_S: Type the first few letters of their nick then hit tab.06:41
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Rene_Sbborkk, ah06:41
bborkkOr maybe you're Republican.06:41
Rene_SCan't Be ....06:42
Rene_SI AM CANADIAN !!!06:42
Rene_Shehe06:42
The_Great_Mojo_JI AM DRUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!06:42
The_Great_Mojo_J:P06:42
bborkkI always suspected Canadians were Republicans.06:42
Treenakspeople, please keep it on-topic.06:42
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TreenaksPolitical discussions should be in #politics06:42
bborkkTreenaks: Hey, we're talking about the Ubuntuness of the world.06:42
Rene_S?06:43
The_Great_Mojo_J...is that what the topic was haha06:43
Rene_SI was doing a Molson Canadian Beer ad06:43
GotD0ti have a BIG problem.... 5.6GB of my partition is unaccounted for06:43
PizbitRene_S: Consumer whore :D06:43
Rene_SNp, I have 5.6gb more on mine06:43
bborkkSpeaking of which, any governments picking up on Ubuntu yet?06:44
Rene_SWho knows, maybe in time06:44
bborkkTreenaks?  Anyone famous (govs, movie stars, criminals) using Ubuntu yet?06:45
Rene_SHmmm, hope the wife didn't wreck the car06:45
Treenaksbborkk: well, Mark Shuttleworth, apparently ;)06:46
bborkkHeh.06:46
Lathiathmm06:46
Lathiatfor me x-window-system-core was held back from upgrading06:47
Lathiathad to force it06:47
britt_radiofreeLathiat, apt-get install xserver-xorg06:47
Lathiati just went apt-get install x-window-system-core and it did the magic06:47
Lathiatjust wonder why it was held back in an ugprade06:47
bezakwhere do i get the non-free packages from guys is there a good repository?06:47
Lathiatbezak: "multiverse"06:47
bezak(i need ppc btw)06:47
Lathiatbezak: just like universe06:47
Rene_SMark who ?06:47
britt_radiofreeLathiat, that didn't fix everything on mine ... but yeah just doing dist-upgrade doesn't handle all deps perfectly yet06:48
Lathiatcept it has non-free adn contrib in it06:48
bezakLathiat: thanks06:48
Lathiatbezak: you want universe as well tho, so dont remove that06:48
bborkkRene_S: Famous Tongan soccer player busted for cava abuse.06:48
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Lathiatsee hwo it is in xorg06:48
TreenaksLathiat: maybe the kernel driver doesn't quite know how to suspend properly?06:48
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Rene_SAh, no idea, not up on Tongan's unless they wrestle or have 575 million dollars in there bank accounts06:49
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Lathiatit did work a couple times, so it might be a bug in the resume code yeh06:49
bborkkRene_S: Either that or billionaire IT Ubuntu backer.06:49
Rene_Sbborkk, Didnt think he was a Billionaire yet06:50
seek187Where do I put the firefox folder after I ran the installer???06:50
bborkkRene_S: Anyone with more money than they can fit in their wallet is a billionaire in my book.06:50
AlohaWolfhow does one get java working under Mozilla?06:50
Rene_Sseek187, wherever you like, I left mine in /home/funkydude/06:50
seek187ok06:51
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bborkkAlohaWolf: Check the plugins FAQ on mozilla.org.06:51
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Lathiatanyone using composite in xorg?06:53
nixmansomeone plz tell me if http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=13859#post13859 is erroneous. i am not able to install mozplugger. it says it cannot find it.06:53
LathiatI added the config daniels said in his emails but it tells me that Enabled isnt a valid option fo rhte extensions section06:53
Rene_Snah, i read the instructions and the part where the guy said it was slow and buggy06:53
Lathiatyeh but i play with things :)06:54
Rene_SI can handle buggy, but slow I cant deal with06:54
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seek187ok got that taken care of now for java06:55
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Rene_Sseek187, On the wiki there are instructions06:56
seek187ok06:56
bborkknixman: mozplugger doesn't appear to be in ubuntu, at least that i can find.  however, it is available in debian unstable, as evidenced by searching the packages.debian.org page.  try adding another repository.06:57
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Lowryhi06:58
bezakhave any of you guys had experievce with ROX-filer?06:58
bborkknixman: that said, you should be careful to only take packages you need from other repositories and not perform upgrades from them unless you know what you are doing.06:58
bezakor should i just use nautilus06:58
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Rene_SI just use N personally06:59
Rene_SOnly played with Rox once07:00
GammaRaybezak: it's quite good, worth a try07:00
SuperL4gany of you guys playing with Hoary yet?07:00
Lathiatdamnit07:01
Lathiatxorg broke :)07:01
Rene_SYes07:01
Lathiatbreaks my keyboard too in console mode07:01
Lathiat(this is without composite)07:01
bezakyeah I used to have kde on my old x86 box and konqueror is too feature packed, rox seems small and simple07:01
SuperL4gRene_S, how do you like it, thus far?07:01
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gensuperl4g: yea im on hoary07:01
Rene_SSuperL4g, Its ok, not as bad as I thought07:01
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geni had sound problems, but i worked them out07:02
genrunning fine so far07:02
Rene_SSuperL4g, last upgrade it forgot to install the gnome panel but that was fixable07:02
SuperL4gRene_S, what issues have you seen, so far?07:02
shashihello, a friend of mine has enabled root on my ubuntu installation, how to undo it?07:02
Rene_SSuperL4g, fam is a thing of the past so ya need to install gamin or else its like pulling teeth07:03
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Rene_SSuperL4g, things sloow down07:03
SuperL4gI'm not familiar with fam.07:03
genrene_s: not for me07:03
SuperL4gRene_S: so it's slower than warty?07:03
genno super07:03
Rene_SNo, not really07:03
Rene_SJust earlier it had an issue because of a missing file07:04
LowryUpgrading to hoary - I am getting between 18-35 kB/s Is this normal?07:04
genlowry: thats low07:04
geni was pulling 200+ consistantly07:04
LowryI am on cable - but via ethernet to a g407:05
Rene_SSuperL4g, Evolution at least for me is wacked out07:05
Rene_SSuperL4g, refused to send emails so I am gonna use thunderbird for now07:05
nixmanbborkk, i uncommented universe and it all seems fine. i still have no idea what the effects of upgrade would be.07:06
Rene_SI hope they put the services-admin thing back into system tools07:07
LowryX.org would be included?07:07
Lathiathmm x.org doesnt work if your using the synaptics driver07:07
Lathiatcus it doesnt have one and the config migration breaks :007:07
Lathiat:) rather07:08
bezakdoes ubuntu have a control panel for admin stuff ala the drak tools in mandrake, or am i going to be getting my hands dirty in the text files07:08
Lathiatbezak: computer -> system tools07:08
bezakare they ubuntu native, or borrowed from somewhere else and are they nice to use?07:08
LathiatThey are the gnome system tools07:09
Lathiati love them07:09
bezakoh ok sweet07:09
bezakim a complete gnome noob07:09
bezakhaha07:09
LowryCan ubuntu boot from firewire on ppc?07:10
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WWLathiat: Are you running hoary?07:11
Lathiatww: yar07:11
WWLathiat: I figured.  I don't have Computer -> System Tools07:12
Lathiatoh07:12
Lathiatthe computer menu07:12
Lathiatnot the desktop item07:12
Rene_SSystem Configuration07:12
WWLathiat: Ah, it's Applications -> System Tools07:12
Lathiattheres also desktop preferences, depending on what your trying to do07:12
LathiatRene_S: oh right, my bad07:12
Lathiati wasnt looking at it07:12
Lathiatwas fixing my broken xorg :)07:12
Rene_SThere used to be on for services or runlevels whichever ya prefer07:13
Rene_SWow, the internet has killed my spelling07:13
Lathiatgah now my panel got all messed up07:14
WWRene_S: rite, u ment witchever07:14
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Rene_SWW, heheh ok07:15
SuperL4gLathiat: I don't know if what applies in Gentoo applies here, but for Gentoo, we have to use the _external_ synaptics driver for it to work07:15
hypa7iaI HAVE WIFI!!!!!07:15
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Rene_SI HAVE 8TRACK07:15
HrdwrBoBI got some bluetooth dongles that I bid for ina fit of craziness07:15
hypa7ialol Rene_S07:15
genI HAVE A TAPE DECK > *07:15
HrdwrBoBand the drivers load07:15
WWI gotta rock07:16
hypa7iaSuperL4g: synaptics tablet drivers?07:16
Rene_SI got a funky radio that is shapped like an oil filter i got when i was 1307:16
SuperL4gOKay.... too early for Hoary, but now I'm getting errors when I try to apt-get update07:16
SuperL4ghypa7ia: yep07:16
generrors like what07:16
hypa7iaSuperL4g: mine worked out of the box in warty, did it break on upgrade to hoary?07:17
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genmy hoary upgrade was smooth07:17
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davydwhere's my xcompmgr ?!?!07:17
gen?!?!?!07:17
Lathiati had to wget the package07:17
Lathiatthe Packages files wrong07:18
SuperL4ggen: I didn't proceed, but hold on, I'll put it on my web server07:18
Lathiatdpkg -i it07:18
Rene_SI went from the CD right to Hoary, only stopped in Warty to pin Kaffeine07:18
Lathiatthen apt-get -f install07:18
Lathiatto get the rest :)07:18
Lathiatbut the hints to add to the config file didnt work for me07:18
gensuperl4g: you'll put what on your webserver07:18
Lathiattells me Enabled isnt a valid option07:18
genthe error?07:18
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Lowry16kB/sec07:19
genhaha07:19
davydLathiat: you're talking to me?07:19
Lathiatyar07:19
seek187geeze some of these pages in firefox the letters are soooooo small07:20
davydhmm, is it going to get turned on by default at some point?07:20
SuperL4ggen: the errors07:20
Lathiati also had to munge my config file cus the synaptics and xtt modules didnt exist that migrated, but it sounds like your xorg is working already07:20
SuperL4ggen: www.linuxlooney.com/aptgeterrors07:20
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Lathiatdavyd: well apparently its too slow and buggy at the moment, did you read the email daniel sent out?07:20
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MikeSanderHello07:20
davydLathiat: don't think so07:20
Lathiatlet me bounce it to you07:20
MikeSanderI'm after a bit of assistance with ClamAV07:20
davydLathiat: cool thanks07:20
Lathiatdone07:20
Lathiatblah@madel....id.au07:21
davydhmm, perhaps I should turn it on, and then teach gnome-terminal and panel to use it if it's available07:21
MikeSanderI got it using synaptic - which has clam version 0.7307:21
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MikeSanderThe latest version is 0.8 and it won't do an automatic update without it - too old version07:21
MikeSanderis anyone able to assist?07:21
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MikeSandermain problem, is that compiling from source will install to the wrong directories to the ubuntu package07:22
Rene_Smaybe prefix=/path/path ?07:22
Rene_Snot sure how the prefix command works07:23
HrdwrBoBdavyd: http://kaos.vicnet.net.au/ubuntu has a transset deb07:23
HrdwrBoBgnome-terminal in ubuntu does not support it07:23
HrdwrBoBxcompmgr crashes07:23
davydHrdwrBoB: I'm aware it doesn't07:23
HrdwrBoBand it's slow as hell07:23
davydHrdwrBoB: that is something that should be fixed07:23
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davydI have been informed Konsole now can do translucency via composite07:24
davyddon't want to be behind the 8ball07:24
davydLathiat: how are exams?07:24
MikeSanderThankyou anyone Rene_S has anyone else got any ideas on ClamAV07:24
genwill ff1.0 come up in synaptic eventually07:24
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Lathiatdavyd: crap07:25
Lathiati think i passed physics07:25
Lathiatbig question i missede tho07:25
Rene_Sgen, cant see why it wouldn't07:25
Lathiatenglish exam is tomorrow :907:25
Lathiat:(07:25
davydLathiat: remember scaling ;)07:25
davydLathiat: yeah, I think my brother has english tomorrow07:25
davydsomething else too I think07:25
Lathiattwo exams in one day? unlucky07:26
davydhmm, maybe that's Friday07:26
Lathiatonly 150 or so students out of all the TEE sitters have two in one day07:26
SuperL4ggen: you see those error messages?07:26
SuperL4ggen: I figured rerunning apt-setup would fix the issue, but it doesn't07:26
genwhat error messages07:26
SuperL4g<SuperL4g> gen: www.linuxlooney.com/aptgeterrors07:27
genlet's see your sources.list07:28
SuperL4ggen: what I did was s/warty/hoary in sources.list, apt-get update, changed my mind, and switched back to warty.07:28
genswitched back?07:29
SuperL4gyeah07:29
SuperL4gI never actually performed the upgrade07:30
genso whats the question if you dont want hoary07:30
SuperL4gI cannot run an update now, without getting those errors.07:30
Lathiathmmm.. are we supposd to file hoary bugs in bugzilla?07:30
gendo you have multiverse or universe enablked07:31
genenabled*07:31
Lathiatseems to be no option for watrty/hoary and it sent my bug to warty-bugs@blah when i submitted it07:31
Rene_SHmm i am confused how in the world does gnome system monitor take up 18.2 mb of mem when i just opened it ?07:31
SuperL4ggen: same domain /sources.list07:31
genSuperL4g: i really don't know why those erros would be occuring07:32
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AlohaWolfhas anyone here managed to get java working in mozilla?07:34
deFryskAlohaWolf, everyone here has managed that07:34
hypa7iaRene_S: top :-(07:34
Rene_Shypa7ia, bottom :)07:35
AlohaWolfwell.. I followed the peachy little directions, and everytime I navigate to a page that has Java on it in mozilla, mozilla promptly crashes07:35
Rene_Shypa7ia, hehe07:35
GammaRayRene_S: top isn't accurate.. try xrestop07:35
Rene_Scommand not found ;(07:36
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Rene_Stop worked though07:37
hypa7iaRene_S: side?07:37
Rene_Shypa7ia, back07:37
GammaRaywell shucks.. it seems you are defeated07:37
GammaRayprobably should give up07:37
SuperL4gHow can I basically dump the existing apt config and start over?07:37
SuperL4gapt-setup alone isn't fixing the issue07:37
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Rene_SYep gonna go back and apologize to Uncle Billy and ask for his forgivness07:38
SuperL4ggot it.07:38
Rene_Shehe I got 0 zombies on my computer.07:39
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MikeSanderexir07:45
nomasteryodabigtony:07:46
nomasteryodahey07:46
nomasteryodaover here07:46
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SuperL4gany of you guys run KDE on your Ubuntu boxen?07:50
nomasteryodabigtony:07:50
Rene_SNope, just a couple of apps that use kde libs07:51
hypa7iaibid.  just Scribus, at the moment.07:51
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Rene_SKaffeine and Apollon for me07:52
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adoyretsamon|utbbigtony, going on hoary07:54
adoyretsamon|utbnice07:55
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punkasswhere would i find the xcompmgr for xorg?07:56
bezakwho decides that the plural of box is boxen?07:59
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ubllbezak, some nerd :>08:01
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punkassmy rhythmbox decided not to work after an update to hoary..anyone else run into the same thing?08:01
bezakubll: lol it just seems rediculous to me the plural of box is obv. boxes08:01
hypa7ianoooooo08:02
hypa7iait's totally boxen08:02
hypa7ia:-)08:02
ublllol08:02
bezakhypa7ia: what is that german or some shit haha :)08:02
hypa7iaox:oxen::box:boxen08:02
hypa7ialols08:02
hypa7iahey, i got 800 on the verbal SAT.  i say it goes!08:03
hypa7iamwahahaha08:03
Rene_SHmm German should never be compared  to some shit .... its just not nice08:03
bezakhaha i dont even know what an SAT is08:03
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bezakin german plurals are usually formed by adding -en to the end of singular nouns08:03
bezakso box, would be boxen08:04
hypa7iabezak: a stupid standardized test that middle class white kids do best on.  it's pretty worthless, but american college admissions are totally based on it.08:04
hypa7iahah, cool08:04
bezakhypa7is: is that some shit like a cow is to a sheep like a car is to truck that stuff? *shows complete ignorance of US education system*08:04
danielsdavyd: pong08:05
Lathiatdaniels: boo08:05
SuperL4gany .debs for Firefox 1.0? :)08:05
Lathiatdaniels: your packages file for xcompmgre is b0rked08:05
davyddaniels: hey!08:05
hypa7iabezak: yeah, similar, it's like an IQ test.08:05
hypa7iathus the blatant bias08:05
hypa7ia:-(08:05
bezakhaha cool08:05
hypa7ialuckily up here it means nothing :-)08:05
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bezaksweetness08:06
hypa7iawhere are you at bezak?08:06
bezakmelBORN08:06
bezakhaah aus08:06
danielsLathiat: in what way?08:06
hypa7iacool!08:06
Rene_SCanada is not up here08:06
Lathiatwell it couldnt find the package when it went to download it, so i assume its giving it the wrong URL08:06
danielsLathiat: 'deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/' worked for me08:07
Lathiatohhh08:07
danielsnote that this is entirely different from deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xcompmgr/ ./08:07
Lathiati did /xcompmgr/ ./08:07
Rene_SWe left and went to Europe, and we are taking Alaska with us08:07
Lathiatrightio :)08:07
danielsyeah, don't do that08:07
hypa7iaRene_S: hey, i'm north of you still :-)08:07
hypa7iahey that;s my joke!08:07
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Lowrywhat version of firefox is on horay?08:07
Lathiatalso when i add the lines to load the compsite extension08:07
davydLowry: rc1 I think08:07
LathiatX dribbles and says that Enabled isnt a valid option for that section08:07
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bezakive got an 80 gig hdd how much should i give linux (main system) and how much mac os x (for when shit wont work in linux) im thinkin 60/20 what do you guys think? anyone used Mac On Linux?08:08
Rene_SI should read up on gstreamers, no idea what they are08:08
LathiatRene_S: gstreamer is a library that provides audio/video playback/etc support08:09
Lathiatencoding, decoding, playing, streaming, etc08:09
Rene_SLathiat, awww you wrecked my late night reading hehe, thanks for the info08:09
LathiatRene_S: oh thats only just a basic description, it does lots of cool stuff and more than that08:10
Lathiatits fun to play with08:10
hypa7iabezak: i have an 80 gigger and kept 10 for winblows08:10
Lathiatespecially the video effects08:10
bezakhypa7ia: yeah i think mac os x is a bit more of a hdd hog08:10
Rene_SMy current dilema of the day is how to add a xmms skin to Beep Media Player08:10
hypa7iawell, my mac install was about 2 gigs08:10
hypa7iawhen i had a mac *cries*08:10
hypa7iabezak: go with 15 maybe?08:11
ubllAnyone tried PearPC lately?08:11
bezakis there any dvd compression software, like to fit dual layer dvds on a standard single layer dvd08:11
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bezakhypa7ia: yeah sounds good08:11
punkassdaniels: is this what i need to get transparencies etc working: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/08:11
hypa7iaubll: no, but i hear CherryOS is mighty tasty :-p08:11
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punkassubll: i have, just install tiger on it08:12
ubllCherryOS eh?08:12
hypa7iaubll: it was a scam...08:12
punkasswell tiger beta08:12
hypa7ialong story.08:12
Rene_SI broke CherryOS when I was single and unmarried08:13
ubllXD08:13
LowryI would give os x 10+08:13
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Lathiatdaniels: Any idea on the valid option thing?08:14
danielsLathiat: s/Enabled/Enable/08:14
danielspunkass: yeah, then run xcompmgr08:14
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punkassgot it..thanks08:15
Rene_Shmm so technically PearPC is a mac emulator that will let me run Darwin08:15
punkassi have composite enable and everything seems fine..nothing is slow (yet)08:15
hypa7iaRene_S: yup08:15
Lathiatdaniels: ah right08:15
Lowrylike power pc08:15
bezakLowry: yeah not under 1008:15
Rene_SSo this works on x86 boxes ?08:16
bezakRene_S: no itll let you run Mac OS X08:16
bezakRene-S: you can run darwin native on x8608:16
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Lowrylike a ppc chip but slow08:16
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Rene_SAhh I get it VMware for OSX08:16
phinhey,  i have the new xorg installed from hoary, how do i get xcompmgr and transset?  do i needs to compile them myself?08:17
punkasslol..ok running  xcompmgr -cfF makes it slow...doh08:17
phinpunkass, did you just build your own xcompmgr?08:17
Lowrystill at 24kB/sec08:17
ubllRene_S, What is VMWare? I hear it mentioned a lot...08:17
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bezakRene_S: http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/08:17
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punkassadd this to your sources list:  deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/08:17
phinwhat about transset?08:17
punkassthen install it08:17
punkassdunno what that is08:18
phinsets the transparency of the windows08:18
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ubllAnyone care to explain to me what VMWare is?08:19
phinvirtual machine08:19
Rene_SVMware is a program that will let ya run Windows08:19
phinlets you run windows in a box :P08:19
davydvmware is your new god08:19
LowryIt is like virtual pc for the mac08:19
phinit can run other os's08:19
nomasteryodaphin08:19
ubllCan you run other OS'es in it?08:19
nomasteryodaqemu08:19
nomasteryodacan do that too08:19
nomasteryodafor free08:19
LowryYou have intel calls on a ppc chip08:19
davydubll: it's an x86 emulator08:19
phinsweet08:19
davydso yes08:19
phini got free vmware as well08:19
phinmy work paid for it08:19
phin:-P08:20
nomasteryodanice08:20
phinagreed08:20
nomasteryodahave it at work too08:20
ubllSo could I run Ubuntu within this VMware?08:20
Lathiatooh how much does composite suck on my 266mhz :008:20
davydubll: yes08:20
phinno08:20
nomasteryodabut need tons more ram08:20
phinrun windows08:20
phinwithen vmware08:20
phinon top of ubuntu08:20
phin:P08:20
nomasteryodaubll, yes08:20
davydor what phin said, which I do08:20
ubllholy crap that is awesome08:20
davydubll: you can get a 30 day vmware trial from www.vmware.com08:20
phini just have a side windows pc08:20
phinfor photoshop08:20
phinand games08:20
phinhehe08:20
Lathiatany speccy demos for compositing?08:20
davydthen I think it's USD$180 ish for a license08:21
nomasteryodalots of nesting therein08:21
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nomasteryodastudent license is cheaper08:21
nomasteryodanot sure how much08:21
davydthere's a student license? man...08:21
ublldavyd, which version is it I want to dl?08:21
nomasteryodadavyd, i think so08:21
GammaRayphotoshop? pfft08:21
davydubll: vmWare Workstattion 4.508:21
ublldavyd, thank you :)08:21
nomasteryodadavyd, be warned08:22
nomasteryodait will slow your system some08:22
nomasteryodaeven while not running08:22
nomasteryodaesp with only 512mb ram08:22
phinif its running at the same time08:22
phinyes it will08:22
phinand the host os runs much slower08:22
phinthen if you where to run it nativly08:22
nomasteryodasure08:23
nomasteryodabut otherwise...cool08:23
phinoh ya08:23
phindefinitly cool08:23
nomasteryodai had redhat, mdk, ubuntu, win98, winxp, win2000 image files08:23
ubllIt'll slow my system even when not running??08:23
nomasteryodaphin, you can make08:23
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nomasteryodaqemu convert them too08:23
phinhow fast is qemu?08:23
nomasteryodaand use those in it08:23
nomasteryodapretty fast08:23
phinubll: no08:23
davydnomasteryoda: put 1.5 gigs of ram in your machine ;)08:24
nomasteryodait's not vmware, but a nice opensourceapp08:24
nomasteryodadavyd08:24
nomasteryodayea08:24
nomasteryodai would08:24
phinnom: i run netbsd as my workstation at work08:24
nomasteryodabut it is tha crappy RAMbux08:24
nomasteryodabus08:24
phinwith a nice little windows xp icon on my desktop for when my boss uses the pc08:24
phinhe gets a chuckle out of it08:24
phinlol08:24
nomasteryodavery pricy08:24
nomasteryodanite all08:24
nomasteryodaor morning08:24
phinnite08:24
nomasteryodaevening,etc08:24
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phinim gonna test xcomp08:25
phinon this k6-2 30008:25
phinhehe08:25
phinits got a large amount of mem, 64 megs08:26
phinhehe08:26
|QuaD|xcomp?08:26
GammaRayhehe?08:26
Lathiatman how do you take a screenshot08:26
Lathiattheres no take screenshot in the menu of ubuntu like default gnome :)08:26
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|QuaD|Lathiat: there isi n mine08:26
GammaRayLathiat: you seem a little too happy about that08:27
p0inthow bout them Xen..08:27
LathiatGammaRay: yeh08:27
Lathiatheh08:27
Lathiat|QuaD|: where?08:27
|QuaD|under computer08:27
davydLathiat: use the gimp08:27
hypa7iaLathiat: computer > take screenshot...08:27
davydsince screenshooter probably broke in the move to gnome-utils08:27
punkassi dont have it either08:28
phinwhoa08:28
phinomg08:28
phinthis is pimp08:28
deFryskLathiat, richtklick the panel , select add and choose the screensot-app08:28
phinthese shadows08:28
phinya know08:28
phinthis isnt to bad on here08:28
phinlol08:28
bigtquestion: how do i a samba install i went to install samba without realizing it was already installed now everytime i use synaptic i get error processing samba? i tried apt-get -f install08:28
bigtit doesn't work08:28
punkassphin: yeah its not bad eh...a little slow tho08:28
|QuaD|Lathiat: are you using warty?08:29
phinhaha08:29
phinwell08:29
Lathiat|QuaD|: hoary08:29
phini figure wtf08:29
phinthis pc is a peice of crap08:29
|QuaD|that might be why08:29
Lathiatheh need to insall gnome-screenshot08:29
|QuaD|i am using warty08:29
punkassyeah i am hoary too08:29
phink6-2 300, 64megs of mem with a neogeo onboard pci video, 2 megs of mem08:29
phinand its running the undershadows pretty nicely, better then i assumed08:29
phinthe redraw is a little show08:29
Lathiatheh08:30
phinpretty cool08:30
phinwell08:30
bigtdang i get mplayer to run for jack on my system :(08:30
phinits not much slower08:30
phinits like08:30
punkassphin: lol well i have the shadows goin on a 1.7 athlon with 512meg and a 5900xt and its still a little slow08:30
phin5% slower08:30
phinif that08:30
phinfar less then i expect08:30
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hypa7iathis comic is the ultimate word on internet flame wars.08:31
hypa7iahttp://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-03-1908:31
justdavelifeless: you around?08:31
danielsyeah, guys, Composite is slow, seriousl08:31
danielsi wasn't lying when I said that08:31
punkassLathiat: is there really a package called gnome-screenshot08:31
TongMasterjustdave, he's busy atm08:31
phinhehe08:31
phinserver side shadows suck08:32
phini wish i could adjust em a bit08:32
|QuaD|wtf? i just did a free -m... doesn't show my full 1024 megs of ram... only 8 something08:32
punkassdaniels: its not brutal..but its noticably slower08:32
|QuaD|why is that08:32
justdaveTongMaster: k, thanks08:33
phinactually08:33
phindaniels: its not to bad on this pc08:33
phinits not much slower then it was already08:33
punkassi like this:  xcompmgr -c -r3 -o.5 -l0 -t008:33
Treenaksdaniels: did you notice that the Xorg manual pages contain "__appmansuffix__" in the 'See also' section?08:34
phinnice punkass!08:34
phin:)08:34
phinthats my new setup08:34
smodo nvidia's drivers work with xorg?08:34
punkassmine are08:34
punkassand im just using the ubuntu nivdia-glx package08:34
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danielsTreenaks: phat08:35
smothat's what I'm using on warty too, so looks hopeful .. thanks08:35
danielsTreenaks: will fix that one later today if I get around to it, thanks08:35
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punkassdaniels: any word on transset?08:36
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alka_trashI just upgraded to hoary :D08:38
hypa7iaalka_trash: what gfx card do you have?08:39
alka_trashnvidai08:39
alka_trashthat one08:39
Lowry10 more min to hoary ppc08:39
king_arthuralka does firefox work with you?08:39
alka_trashalthough nautilus is slow now08:39
alka_trashumm08:39
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alka_trashyes, but it's slow08:40
alka_trashit's like I have a conflict08:40
king_arthursine upgrading to hoary firefox stopped working08:40
alka_trashouch08:40
king_arthurgaleon and mozzila are OK08:40
alka_trashwhen clicking on nautilus home, it takes three seconds to come up, before upgrade it was almost instant08:41
Telepalka_trash: the nautilus issue can apparently be solved by "apt-get install gamin"08:41
king_arthursame with me08:41
alka_trashnice08:41
king_arthurwindows take ages to pop up08:41
Telepworked for me08:41
alka_trashdownloading now08:42
king_arthurdoes anybody use firefox with hoary08:42
Telepyes08:42
punkassi am08:42
king_arthurhow does work no prob?08:43
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punkassno prob08:43
alka_trashTelep: Your my best friend!08:43
king_arthur:-(08:43
alka_trashit's snappy again :)08:43
alka_trashking_arthur:  what's your error08:43
Telepalka_trash: the feeling is mutual, I'm sure :)08:43
Skifon the off chance anybody here knows, wtf is "Standard_Type.hxx", and is there any way to tell08:43
Skifwhat package provides it, if any08:43
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king_arthurhave to lcheck window onthe linuxbox08:44
king_arthurholdon one sec08:44
punkasswhat i do notice is that when i maximize a window now it covers and panels08:44
danielspunkass: yeah give me a bit, in the middle of fixing the bugs reported today08:44
punkasss/and/any/08:44
punkassdaniels: no worries, just curious08:45
danielspunkass: i'll send the xorg package around for another build, then I'll get to transset and stuff while that's building08:45
danielscool08:45
punkassalmost time for my sleep anyways08:45
Amaranthdaniels: You're the one working on xorg, right?08:45
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phinheh08:46
Lathiatdaniels: can we get a xserver-xorg component on bugzilla?08:46
phini dunno why08:46
phinthis is crazy, but xcompmgr runs about 99% the same speed running08:46
phinmaybe cause is runs so friggin slow anyway, who knows08:47
phinlol08:47
Amaranthis xcompmgr available now?08:47
king_arthuralka_trash accesskey="@allowPopups.accesskey;"---------------------^08:47
fabbioneLathiat: use xfree86 in the meanwhile08:47
Lathiatfabbione: i have been08:47
fabbioneand specify XOrg in the subject08:47
king_arthuralka that's the error message I get08:47
Lathiatfabbione: was just saying, be nice to get one08:47
phinonly bug i have08:47
king_arthurany clues?08:47
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phinis sometimes a window stays on top08:47
Lathiatfabbione: did that as well :) youve got two from me08:47
phinno matter what08:47
fabbioneLathiat: yes we knos :-)08:47
fabbioneLathiat: really?08:48
Lathiatyeh08:48
Lathiatone about synaptics the other about xtt08:48
alka_trash king_arthur move your .mozilla foler to .mozilla.old08:48
fabbionesynaptics is not an X.org problem08:48
fabbioneread my answer08:48
fabbioneand xtt is invalid08:48
Lathiatoh hadnt got that yet08:48
fabbioneanything more?08:48
fabbionei just replied08:48
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king_arthuralka from where?08:48
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king_arthuralka home?08:48
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alka_trashyep08:48
king_arthurOK try right now holdon08:49
Lathiatfabbione: i just did apt-get install x-window-system-something because it was being held back and xorg hadnt upgraded08:49
Lathiatand when i did that it pulled in and removed the required stuff08:49
Lathiatgues not all of it then08:49
fabbioneLathiat: did you read the announcement?08:49
fabbioneand how to do the upgrade?08:49
phini just replaced warty with hoary08:50
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fabbioneit's not like we write FAQ and documentation for nothing08:50
phinand did an apt-get dist-upgrade08:50
phinworked np08:50
alka_trashking_arthur: it's worth a shot, you'll loose all your settings too08:50
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bigtcan someone kindly help me with samba for some reason it keeps throwing errors every time i run synaptic08:50
=== punkass did the same as phin and it worked fine
phinman i cant believe i only see like a 5% performance drop, at most08:51
fabbionethat's because we tested it :-)08:51
punkasshehe08:51
phinits probly cause this things so slow08:51
phinits able to draw at the same speed08:51
phinlol08:51
king_arthuralka_trash just tried, makes no difference :-(08:51
punkasswell the fact that i and upgrade 612 packages and everything just works..is pretty impressive08:51
alka_trashhmm08:51
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punkasstho esd seems to try and rule the sound world now..have to kill it before rhythmbox will play anything08:52
king_arthuralka does the erro message tell anything to you?08:52
Lathiatfabbione: i changed to hoary, did an update and a dist-upgrade, am i missing something in the email?08:52
king_arthurI have tried re-intsall,  remove and install again, no difference08:53
fabbioneLathiat: you said you did something else08:53
GammaRaypunkass: sounds like rhythmbox's fault... esd does not "lock" your sound card like arts08:53
fabbione<Lathiat> fabbione: i just did apt-get install x-window-system-something08:53
AmaranthWhat package is xcompmgr in?08:53
Lathiatoh right08:53
Lathiatlike i said08:53
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Lathiatit didnt upgrade08:53
Lathiatit was held back08:53
fabbioneof course08:53
fabbionethat's why you need a dist-upgrade08:53
Lathiatno08:53
fabbioneotherwise it doesn't work08:53
Lathiati did a dist-upgrade08:53
Lathiatand it had all done08:54
Lathiatand i did it again and it was still held back08:54
Amaranthyou need to upgrade then dist-upgrade08:54
volvoguyyou guys talking about the x.org packages? mine didn't upgrade with a dist-upgrade either.08:54
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punkassoh thats right i had to install xserver-xorg after my dist-upgrade08:54
AmaranthOh yeah, I guess I did too. :P08:54
volvoguyyep. me too punkass. (heh. that sounds funny)08:54
fabbionedo you have ubuntu-desktop package installed?08:54
bob2volvoguy: punkass do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?08:54
bob2I bet you guys installed totem-xine or something08:55
volvoguyi don't have ubuntu-desktop installed.08:55
volvoguyyep08:55
AmaranthNot I.08:55
Lathiathmm08:55
punkassi have totem-xine for sure08:55
Lathiati dont either08:55
AmaranthI have ubuntu-desktop installed.08:55
fabbionevolvoguy: than you are on your won :-)08:55
LowrySo you need to add x.org when dist upgrade is done?08:55
Lathiatahh08:55
fabbioneown even08:55
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Lathiati installed totem-xine08:55
Lathiatrightio08:55
Lathiatgot the problem now :)08:55
alka_trashking_arthur: how about running it as root? or maybe downloading the latest and running it?08:55
AmaranthIs there a package for xcompmgr?08:55
volvoguydo you think that will cause other x.org problems other than missing that one package?08:55
punkassno i didnt have ubuntu-desktop installed08:56
LathiatAmaranth: yes, deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/08:56
bob2volvoguy: you will not get future packages that the desktop requires08:56
fabbionevolvoguy: ubuntu-desktop forces the dependency required to install x.org08:56
volvoguymaybe a message to the users mailing list is in order.08:56
king_arthuraka I just did distr-upgrade08:56
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bob2it's always been the case that removing ubuntu-desktop put you out on your own08:56
king_arthurand the latest firefox IS installed08:56
LathiatI'd forgotten that I had done that :)08:57
Lathiatmy bad :)08:57
punkassbob2: i never knew that...installing it how08:57
king_arthurat least it was yesterdat :-)08:57
punkasss/how/now08:57
volvoguyyeah. i know bob. totem-xine just works so much better for me. :)08:57
Lathiatfabbione: sorry :)08:57
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Elwoodhi all08:57
king_arthurciao elwood08:57
Lowryhi08:57
Amaranthbrb08:58
Elwoodso xorg in wharty?08:58
volvoguyi guess this teaches the lesson that if you're using an "in-progress" distro, it's best to use the suggested packages. :)08:58
punkasshmm so with ubuntu-desktop you can use totem-xine?08:58
LathiatElwood: no, in hoary08:58
punkasscan = cant08:58
Lathiatpunkass: yes08:58
Lathiatcus you stray away from the desktop, not using totem-gstreamer08:58
punkasshmm08:58
Elwooduhm hoary is stable?08:58
phinno08:58
bob2Elwood: hoary is unstable08:59
phinbut some of us are daring ;)08:59
punkassi wouldnt care..its just nice to have the codecs etc08:59
bob2Elwood: warty will never get new packages08:59
bob2except for ecurity fixes, etcd08:59
king_arthurhoary works fine but irt is not stable08:59
volvoguyis the gnome menu slowness a byproduct of not having ubuntu-desktop also?08:59
Elwoodok08:59
king_arthurwarty is for getting things done08:59
Despairvolvoguy: have you done `apt-get install gamin` yet?08:59
Elwoodfor me is enough that works fine :)08:59
phinwhats gamin?09:00
king_arthurvai elwood09:00
volvoguydespair: yes. that fixed it. i was just curious if that was a lack of ubuntu-desktop as well.09:00
Despairphin: less miserable replacement for fam.09:00
phinwhats fam?09:00
phinlol09:00
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king_arthurto dare or not to dare....09:00
Lathiatdaemon that watches for alterations to files09:00
phinah09:00
volvoguyhey, don't smack me for going off topic for a sec, but did anyone in north america see the northern lights tonight?09:01
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phinya09:01
punkassnope.09:01
phinthe main downside to composite i have09:01
jjhnah09:01
phinis that it doesnt handle window placement well09:02
punkassfar to cloudy here09:02
deFryskbittornado-gui seems to use a lot of cpu-power with xorg09:02
phinlike if i open a new window, it stays over all the windows09:02
phinno matter what09:02
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maxotommorow nights supposed to be prime northern lights viewing for the northwest US09:02
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phinoh well thats testing for ya :P09:02
volvoguythey were amazing. i guess it's a big deal that they're being seen really far to the south - as far south as california.09:02
punkassreally? well i am in BC canada09:02
phini can see them from detroit!09:03
phin:)09:03
volvoguyi'm in detroit, michigan. :) i'm 30 and i've never seen them here.09:03
punkassso i should be able to see them if its not to cloudy09:03
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alka_trashokay how does this ubuntu calendar thing work? I installed it but it doesn't show up. I must be missing something very simple :/09:03
phini can see em from detroit :P09:03
volvoguywhere are you phin?09:03
phinsterling heights09:03
volvoguyrochester here.09:03
phini drove up over by stoney creek last night09:03
volvoguysmall world.09:03
phinto see em good09:03
phinyou know if you go up mound, to 28 mile, and take a left, theres the bridge right there?09:04
phingood spot to see em09:04
king_arthuralka_trash u still there?09:05
alka_trashyep09:05
king_arthurany other brilliant idea for my firefox problem?09:06
king_arthur:-)09:06
alka_trashreally09:06
alka_trashwhat did you do09:06
alka_trash?09:06
king_arthurI am usng it right now09:06
king_arthuron the iMac :-)09:06
alka_trash?09:06
king_arthurbut on the linuxbox nope09:06
alka_trashubuntu on IMac?09:07
alka_trashoh09:07
king_arthurthat is a possibility09:07
Lowryimac g5?09:07
king_arthurI mean I have that as well09:07
Lowryor g3?09:07
RuffianSoldierg409:07
king_arthurworks fine but makes no real sense09:07
alka_trashof coarse09:07
king_arthurg309:07
RuffianSoldierim on a PowerPC G309:07
Lowryshould work'09:07
RuffianSoldierbut im using stupid stupid 0s 9.209:07
king_arthurhas anybody airport active?09:08
volvoguyi have ubuntu on a G3 imac as well.09:08
Lowrythis might help09:08
Lowryhttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46409:08
king_arthurgood volvoguy you are one of us :-)09:08
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volvoguyi tend to stay on my 2.8Ghz P4 more often. it's a little faster. :-)09:09
alka_trashking_arthur: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=accesskey*allowPopups+firefox&btnG=Search09:09
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king_arthurAlka I am looking :-)09:10
alka_trashking_arthur: I looked at a couple but there all in foreign languages09:10
volvoguyking_arthur: i think the wiki still reports that airport doesn't work at all.09:11
king_arthurmay be it deepends on the language?09:11
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king_arthurvolvoguy that's not what I heard09:11
king_arthursomebody is using it09:11
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Lowryhi09:12
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LowryJust started setting up - how long will the upgrade take?09:15
volvoguyone of the websites i run is buying me an iBook so i can keep updating the site after i have back surgery. i'll have to worry about about airport stuff in the near future. :)09:15
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Lowrygl with your back09:15
phini dont think airport works with linux09:15
phincause of the chipset09:15
volvoguythanks lowry!09:16
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Elwoodit's enough to change warthy with hoary in sources.list to change?09:17
Elwoodi had to remove the security sources,tright?09:17
MeAndUI have just tried raythembox and when i import a folder this error pops "there is no plug in installed to handle a MP3 file" why09:18
TreenaksElwood: keep the security ones09:18
Elwoodok09:18
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bigtanyone bsides me having problems with mplayer not loading?09:18
atropusMeAndu: install mplayer and try with it09:18
volvoguyok. bedtime. g'night everybody!09:19
Lowrylater09:19
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bigtmine says starting mplayer and then it just goes away :(09:19
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MeAndUatropus, mplayer is installed and these files are playing well on other apps09:20
MeAndUatropus, I want to try raythembox09:21
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atropushttp://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/src/gst-plugins/gst-plugins-0.8.1.tar.bz209:23
atropusmaybe it helps you09:23
bigtatropus when you get time can you help me with mplayer please?09:23
atropusi am not a guru but maybe i can help you09:24
bigtthats fine i'm a newbie on linux09:24
bigtwhen i run mplayer i get illegal instructino09:24
bigtand it will not start09:25
atropushttp://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-127198.html09:25
bigtlooking there now thanks09:25
lifelesswindow 2909:25
atropusbigt: I use this link09:26
atropusto install mplayer from source09:26
bigtok let me try that09:26
bigtand i swear there must  be a bug in the samba pre-removal script09:26
atropusand it works fine09:26
bigtcause it simply will not go away no mater what i do09:26
bigtok gonna try it09:27
atropusI have 60 Mbyte free space on my hdd and GNOME doesn't start. It is freezing.... Is it correct?09:29
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phinwell that was cool09:30
phinonly complaint is that sometimes windows don't go over correctly with composite09:30
bigtcan i paste something in here to see if anyone else gets this error?09:30
bigtwith samba its annoying the piss out of me :)09:31
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elessarhttp://nopaste.php-q.net/09:32
bigtok09:32
bigtthanks09:32
bigtonyhttp://rafb.net/paste/results/rQVWT553.html09:34
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pdaoustwow, it's so quiet this time of night...09:35
pdaoustafter midnight on the west coast09:36
pdaoustI'm talking to thin air; this is weird09:36
LowryNeed some upgrade help09:36
pdaoustif someone talks in a chat room and nobody's around to read it......09:36
pdaoust?09:36
pdaoustLowry, what's your problem?09:36
pdaousthello?09:37
Lowryconfig file /ect/pbbuttonsd09:37
pdaousthope you didn't take that in a rude way -- I meant what sort of help do you need?09:37
pdaoustoooo09:37
pdaoustnever even heard of that one09:37
pdaoustwhat does it do? ^_^09:37
Lowrykeep or replace>09:37
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pdaoustwhat are you upgrading from/to?09:38
pdaoustWarty to Hoary, or from some other distro to Ubuntu?09:38
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Lowrywarty to hoary09:38
pdaoustohhhhhhhh, you're on an Apple notebook, right?09:39
Lowrydefault is to keep my version09:39
Lowryyes ppc g3 powerbook09:39
pdaoustdo you have a third option, to replace interactively (i.e., diff)?09:39
Lowryinstall maintainers09:40
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Lowrykeep current09:40
Lowryshow differences09:40
Lowryor background09:40
jinhi everyone: how do i mount my ntfs drive in ubuntu?09:40
pdaoustjin: first create a directory like /windows09:41
pdaoust$ sudo mkdir /windows09:41
pdaoustjin: then go09:41
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jingo where?09:41
pdaoustLowry: try 'show differences'09:43
atropusHi! Is there a graphical cd-writing stuff for ubuntu?09:43
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bigthttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1886&highlight=ntfs09:43
bigtthts how you mount ntfs drives09:43
b_e_n_zatropus, xcdroast, eroaster09:43
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atropustnx09:43
Lowrycpuload, netload09:43
duke|ibnpo09:44
Lowrymin max09:44
pdaoustLowry: unless you've been reprogramming certain buttons/keys to do special things, I'd just use the new version09:44
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Lowrythx09:45
pdaoustLowry: no prob!09:45
Lowryhow do i get back to the upgarde09:45
Lowry(END)09:45
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agenteohi I'm tring to change the default umask in ubuntu, I've looked in .bash_profile and I see # the default umask is set in /etc/login.defs but there is a umask even in /etc/profile. If I change /etc/profile when will I need to change /etc/login.defs?09:47
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pdaoustlowry: this is where my expertise ends... I've only been using Ubuntu since yesterday morning ^_^09:48
pdaoustlowry: sorry09:48
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atropusis there any ubuntu package to graphical cd-writing? I want install with apt-get09:49
Lathiatatropus: To burn what?09:50
Lathiatdata cd, iso, music cd...09:50
atropusmulti session data disk09:50
pdaoustgood bye, folks; I'm off to bed.09:50
Lathiatno idea about that, but the nautilus cd burner does most things you want09:50
Elwoodatropus,  xcdrecor09:51
Elwoodatropus, or gcombust or xcdtoaster09:51
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atropusok i try it thanx09:51
Elwoodatropus, try these on gnome or k3b on kde09:51
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pisukehi. I need a xvid codec for totem. any ideas? I installed the codec pack from the mplayer web, but xvid seems to be missing.09:54
pisukealso tried marillat repository but failed to install mplayer09:55
Elwoodfailed why?09:56
Elwoodpisuke, try xine09:56
pisukeElwood, it said broken packages09:57
atropushttp://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-127198.html09:57
pisukeand i am using totem-xine09:57
atropustry with it09:57
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atropusit works fine for me09:57
pisukeatropus, you can play xvid?09:59
pisukebecause is installing essential codecs from mplayer09:59
pisukeI installed the all codecs packages10:00
pisukebut no xvid10:00
Treenakspisuke: libxvid is in multiverse10:00
pisukeTreenaks, installed from marillat10:00
Treenakspisuke: then it should work..10:00
pisukebut it's not working10:00
Treenakspisuke: is your xvid file correct?10:00
pisukeyep10:01
atropusi don't try xvid, sorry10:01
pisukegits210:01
pisukebut totem says it has no codec for it10:01
pisukeeven copied /usr/lib/libxvidcore4 to totem-addons10:02
pisukebut nopes10:02
pisukenm10:02
Treenakspisuke: do you have totem-xine or -gstreamer?10:03
pisuketotem-xine10:03
pisukeeverything I was throwing was playing great10:03
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mjrhmm, funny; my totem-xine plays xvid fine on amd64, with no marillat as there's no amd64 packages there10:06
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pisukemjr, where did you get the codecs?10:07
mjrwell, I have the xvid codec from multiverse, but I actually tried moving it to another, non-lib directory and checking if xvid still played; it did10:08
mjrso I don't really know10:09
pisukeheh10:09
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Lowrymy upgrade has stopped10:09
LowryI am back to #10:10
bigtatropus: did you have a problem with those wgets taking for ever to download? i have a fast connection but it seem slike the site is busy or something10:10
fabbionesilbs: morning10:10
LowryHow do I return to the setting up pbbuttonsd ?10:11
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atropusbigt: whats the problem?10:12
bigtsite times out10:12
mjrpisuke, my guess would be that the codec that xine uses is embedded into xineplug_decode_ff.so which is included in libxine1; I guess this because it sounds like ffmpeg ;)10:12
pisukemjr, could be10:13
mjrah, the file does have symbols that point to ffmpeg and mpeg4 decoding10:13
mjrso yes, I think that's it10:13
jinhelp: I can't see / mount my NTFS drive10:14
bigtand i don't think anyone ever answered so i'll repeat is there an issue with samba and ubuntu or is it just me this error 102 pre-removing script crap is annoying everytime i type apt-get install in termal it says that for samba10:14
bigthttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1886&highlight=ntfs10:15
pisukemjr, have you installed ffmpeg, or it was installed by default?10:16
jinthanks bigt, trying out10:16
bob2ffmpeg is not installed by default10:16
bigtnp10:16
mjrpisuke, no, I haven't, but I think it's pretty much statically linked into said plugin10:17
pisukeok.thx10:17
bigt<< takes a shotgun and shoots samba10:18
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LowryI seem to have lost my apt-get upgrade process10:20
LowryI did ps -x10:20
LowryHow do I get back to the upgrade?10:21
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TreenaksKarlosII: /always/ use packages10:25
phinwell10:25
KarlosII:/10:25
phinyou dont always have to10:25
ElwoodLowry,  restart it10:25
phinuse whatever works best for you :)10:25
Treenakspisuke: 99.99% of the time, it's better10:25
ElwoodLowry,  or killall apt-get and restart :)10:25
phinwhys that?10:25
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phini build alot of my own stuff10:25
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KarlosIITreenaks, not10:26
KarlosIITreenaks, I build all my my software from software using Gentoo10:26
phini usually just use packages10:26
LowryDo I have to dl from the start?10:26
phinbut sometimes10:26
KarlosIIerr10:26
TreenaksKarlosII: yes, in ubuntu it is -- if you use packages all the time, upgrades will be way easier10:26
phini need someything else10:26
TreenaksKarlosII: really, building from source is overrated10:26
phinwhy?10:26
KarlosIITreenaks, tbh I don't use ubuntu right now10:26
phinsometimes you need diffrent features10:26
phinor a newer version then what packages offer10:27
KarlosIITreenaks, to each his own opinion10:27
phinim not looking for speed opts or anything10:27
StarScreamhey guys, i hear Xorg is in the repository now...whats the easiest way to replace my xfree and install xorg?10:27
ElwoodStarScream,  apt-get install xserver-xorg10:27
deFryskStarScream, apt-get dit-upgrade10:27
KarlosIIxorg sweet, but xorg has major problems with ati10:27
deFryskdist10:27
jdubStarScream: if you are comfortable using hoary, just upgrade10:27
TreenaksKarlosII: http://funroll-loops.org/10:28
phinum10:28
KarlosIIStarScream, beware if you use ati10:28
deFryskxorg seems to slow down bittornado-gui10:28
jdubStarScream: if you are not very familiar with debian, or running debian sid, don't run hoary10:28
StarScreamjdub...hoary?10:28
Lowrykilled10:28
jdubStarScream: the development branch for the next release10:28
phintreeaks: so thats a definitive source as to why building from source is wrong?10:28
StarScreamah.....10:28
phini build my own php/apache/sql setup all the time10:28
StarScreamKarlosII: why whats up with ATI?10:28
phinfor my webservers10:28
jdubphin: it humorously demonstrates why it's generally misguided10:29
hypa7iaphin: that and this: http://www.eghetto.ca/~msviolet/Humour/gentoo.jpg10:29
KarlosIIStarScream, what isn't those colosed source fools10:29
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phinwell duh, of course it is10:29
phinhehe10:29
KarlosIIerr10:29
KarlosIIStarScream, what isn't with those closed source fools10:29
phinbut it all depends on what your doing10:29
phinim not saying build evertying, but sometimes packages are not the best way, thou usually, they work quite well :)10:30
Lowrythx setting up10:30
StarScreamKarlosll heh, i meant is there anything wrong with ati-xorg....i have a radeon 7500 or something, but its only running FB at the moment.10:30
Elwoodi can put packages in hold with synaptic?10:30
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phinit seems there's a new line between people who build and people who pacakge only, its a pointless arguement lol10:30
fgaHi, some of you are speaking of hoary the next ubuntu release do you know, or hava any idea, how warthy to hoary upgrade will be dealt for end users ?10:31
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danielsfga: um, with synaptic?10:31
Treenaksfga: just edit /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade, basically10:31
KarlosIIStarScream, ati on xorg 6.8+ is said to be very problemmatic for some10:31
Treenaksfga: (or the same in synaptic)10:31
phinfga: the normal dist-upgrade was flawless for me10:31
Lowrynext year10:32
fgathat was the answer I was hoping thanls10:32
StarScreamKarlosII: hmm..best not update then10:32
KarlosIIStarScream, yeah for now10:32
KarlosIIimho10:32
StarScream my fonts just look crap in xfree for some reason...my friends gentooPPC live cd uses xorg and it looks nice....i'm just not a gentoo type user10:33
danielsati works fine10:33
danielsjust as long as you don't the binary fglrx driver10:33
phinmy fonts looked great in xfree and xorg10:33
phinits not a problem with the server10:33
b_e_n_zStarScream, just a matter of playing around with fontconfig10:33
phinits something else10:33
StarScreamyeh they dont make ppc ati drivers i think10:33
mvo_Elwood: synaptic can "lock" a package10:33
deFryskfonts are fine here too10:33
danielsfonts are little to do with xfree86 and xorg, and all to do with libfreetype6/fontconfig10:33
phini liked ubuntus default font settings10:34
seb128dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig10:34
phinlook great on lcd :)10:34
seb128to change the AA10:34
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b_e_n_zphin, you got sub-pixel rendering on?10:34
StarScreamb_e_n_z: i think its the way it displays fonts at 1024x768... it was the same on my desktop (slackware) until slack used xorg10:34
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phinyes10:34
StarScreamnow its pretty10:34
Lowryhow do you get sub pixel on?10:34
b_e_n_zphin, do you need to use DVI?10:34
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phinits a laptop10:35
phinbut i would assume so10:35
b_e_n_zphin, oh10:35
phinsince its a cleaner signal10:35
jdubLowry: computer > desktop preference > fonts10:35
b_e_n_zphin, perhaps i am not using latin fonts, enabling sub-pixeling creates a brownish edge on all the fonts...10:35
phinweird10:35
jdubb_e_n_z: you may have a different format screen10:36
b_e_n_zjdub, meaning...?10:36
jdubb_e_n_z: see the options down the bottom of the font preferences dialogue10:36
b_e_n_zjdub, you mean sub-pixel ordering?10:37
jdubyes10:37
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b_e_n_zjdub, i tried RGB10:38
bitserf6.8.1 is in hoary?10:38
bitserf(saw daniels' blog entry :P)10:38
danielsbitserf: yeah10:38
bitserfright, time to break my box :)10:38
b_e_n_zjdub, still a brownish edge on all the fonts (non latin)10:38
b_e_n_zjdub, i am using a laptop10:38
LowryI now have an error with the upgrade - ppbuttonsd10:39
LowryHow dod I resume/restart or fix?10:39
LowryErrors where encountered while processing10:40
deFryskapt-get -f install10:40
deFrysktry that10:40
LowryThat will force the install?10:40
deFryskLowry, fix rather then force10:40
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Lowry13 permission denied10:42
deFryskLowry, sudo10:42
Lowryunable to lock the permission directory10:42
Lowrythx10:42
deFryskuse sudo10:42
deFrysk;)10:42
jdubb_e_n_z: subpixel hinting works by abusing components of nearby pixels10:42
jdubb_e_n_z: if it's using the wrong order, it'll look like crap10:42
deFryskLowry, when done redo the apt-get dist-upgrade10:43
jdubb_e_n_z: if it's using the right order, there'll be a (difficult to perceive, by design) glow of colour on each side10:43
cenerentolahey ls: reading directory .: Input/output error in how many ways can i fix it10:43
cenerentolajdub: what about the ml?10:43
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jdubb_e_n_z: generally, that can only be seen on CRTs, or on an LCD screen if it's the wrong order10:43
Lowry0 upgrade 0 new 0 to remove 65 not upgraded10:44
Lowrythx10:44
Lathiatcenerentola: Well that could be a million things, need more specific information, what directory, is it a mount, of what, etc10:44
jdubcenerentola: you should have received a moderator password from me10:44
Lathiatusually happens if an NFS or USB mount goes awol10:44
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cenerentolajdub: when? im sorry i didnt cenerentola@insiberia.net10:44
cenerentolalathiat: hi there.. its a general input/output10:45
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Lathiatcenerentola: Thats not what we need to know10:45
cenerentolalathiat: i did a cp -r /* /media/warty10:46
Lathiatumm10:46
Lathiatthat sounds like a bad idea10:46
cenerentolaand it started to print input/output10:46
LathiatWhat are you trying to do?>10:46
cenerentolanothing... just inputting and outputting in that partition10:47
cenerentola...10:47
LathiatNo i mean what are you trying to do exactly10:47
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Lathiatcopying /* to /media/warty probably wont do anything you want it to10:47
Lathiatand those errors are because it runs into things like /proc, /dev, etc, which cant be read10:47
cenerentolano no.. well im not that stupid10:47
cenerentolait gives errors even in everyday-files10:48
cenerentolais it normal that if i "sudo fsck /dev/hda7" it only returns "fsck 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)"10:49
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jdubcenerentola: if there's nothing to do, yes10:50
bigtonycan someone please help me solve this samba error im having?10:50
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cenerentolajdub: thx10:51
deFryskfirefox 1 looks good10:52
deFrysk:)10:52
b_e_n_zdeFrysk, really?10:53
deFryskit start up really fast10:53
cenerentolalathiat: so if i mkfs it should stop right?10:53
Lathiatcenerentola: no that would overwrite all your data10:54
cenerentolalathiat: i know...10:54
Lathiatyour probably could be many things10:54
Lathiatit could be physical drive errors, filesystem corruption (which a mkfs would fix)10:54
cenerentolalathiat: what i mean is... input/output errors... is it and hw problem or a fs prob?10:54
cenerentola...10:54
cenerentolammm10:54
Lathiatit could be both10:54
cenerentolaok10:54
Lathiatlook in dmesg, are you getting drive errors?10:54
deFryskI hope firefox1  wil be in hoary soon10:55
=== Lathiat puzzles
Lathiatepiphany is fullscreening over the panel10:55
bigtonywhats it mean when samba is highlighted yellow in synaptic?10:55
Lathiatin fact everything is10:55
cenerentolacenerentola@anotherworld:/media $ dmesg | grep hda710:55
cenerentolaXFS mounting filesystem hda710:55
cenerentolaEnding clean XFS mount for filesystem: hda710:55
cenerentolaxfs_force_shutdown(hda7,0x8) called from line 1088 of file fs/xfs/xfs_trans.c. Return address = 0xf09a6b1910:55
cenerentolaFilesystem "hda7": Corruption of in-memory data detected.  Shutting down filesystem: hda710:55
cenerentolaxfs_force_shutdown(hda7,0x1) called from line 353 of file fs/xfs/xfs_rw.c.  Return address = 0xf09a6b1910:55
Lathiati really have no idea about xfs10:56
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Lathiati recommend ext3, so if you reformat maybe you should use that10:56
Lathiatnever given me any roubles10:56
Lathiathowever10:56
deFryskext3 = safest way to go10:56
Lathiatthe data corruption it mentions is bad10:56
Lathiatthat could be a number of things10:56
Lathiatbad ram10:56
Lathiatbad disk10:56
Lathiatbad swap10:56
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deFryskI like xfs10:57
TreenaksStarScream: I stopped using reiser when it trashed my second disk10:57
StarScreamTreenaks: really....i've used reiser since i started using linux, never had a problem with it....10:58
Lathiati stopped using resier when it trashed well, all the filesystems ive had on it10:58
Lathiative never used it on my personal machine10:58
phini just use ext310:58
Lathiatbut every time ive had it on machines its died10:58
Lathiatext3 has never ever failed me once10:58
phini had the same problem with xfs before that was just noted10:58
Lathiatso i stick with that10:58
phinand ive heard so many horror stories about reiser i wont touch it10:58
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Lathiatphin: ive experienced the resier horror stories first hand several times :)10:58
danielsok, filesystem holy wars, guys, we've all been there.  just let it go.10:59
phinlol10:59
deFryskgrub does not like xfs as /boot so need to make an seberate /boot with reiser-of ext310:59
phinive done that10:59
deFryskb=p10:59
Lathiatdaniels: but but...10:59
phingrub doesnt mind xfs as boot10:59
deFryskphin, id does on my box10:59
phinweird10:59
deFryskcould be me tho11:00
Lathiatdaniels: would messing aroudn with the composite extension possibly cause fullscreen windows to start going over the panel?11:00
cenerentolaphin: how did manage it?11:00
danielsLathiat: um, possibly.  there's an option to xcompmgr to not composite panels or other desktop windows.11:01
Lathiatdaniels: yeh i was using that (dont to dropshadows etc)11:01
Lathiatits not activenow11:01
Lathiatguess ill find out when i restart x11:01
phincene: reinstalled :(11:01
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phini like composite :)11:02
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phinworks great on this pc11:02
phinbut one issue with windows staying on the bottem or on top11:02
Treenaksstupid question, but where can I find xcompmgr?11:02
phin:(11:02
phindeb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/11:03
phinadd that to your sources11:03
bigtonywhats the correct command to clean the cache? i try apt-get clean and i get invalid operation11:04
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Treenaksphin: shouldn't I have an "XCOMP" extension or something as well?11:04
llpamiesHow can I add a LPD printer that send all data to a file ??  (print to text file)11:04
llpamies ?11:04
phintreenaks11:04
phinyes11:04
phinits in the ubuntuforums.org post11:05
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phini dont recall it off hand11:05
Tomcat_bigtony: Did you do it with sudo or as regular user?11:05
Treenaksphin: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=13711&postcount=10 :)11:05
bigtonynorm user11:06
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Tomcat_bigtony: That might be a problem. :o11:06
bigtonyits get clean right?11:06
danielsTreenaks: Section "Extensions"\n\tOption\t"Composite"\t"Enable"\nEndSection11:06
llpamiesIt is possible to add this printer, using only /etc/printcap ??11:07
Treenaksdaniels: I found it on the forum, but thanks11:07
bigtonythis blows11:07
Tomcat_bigtony: apt-get clean is correct... but do it as sudo... not sure if it works11:07
bigtonystill the same &^%5 thing11:07
bigtonywith samba11:07
Treenaksdaniels: does just enabling xcomposite make X crashy and slow, or only using it?11:08
bigtonyregardless of what i try to install samba always wants to install11:08
phintree: it varies11:08
phinive seen it work pretty damn good for some people11:08
phinand crap for others11:08
danielsi don't know if the optimisations are there or not to avoid using the off-screen buffer if there are no clients requesting compositing redirects, but probably not11:08
phinlol11:08
crimsundaniels: just a note: the migration of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 => /etc/X11/xorg.conf needs to change  Driver "keyboard"  to  Driver "kbd"11:08
cenerentolaciao a tutti11:09
cenerentolaim off11:09
danielscrimsun: it doesn't *need* to, it just *should*11:09
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Treenakshey wow.. the CDs are being pressed in .nl? :)11:09
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crimsundaniels: fair enough. I presume since the dexconf markers weren't present in my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, that wasn't done.11:10
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crimsun(rather the debconf markers)11:10
deFryskTreenaks, saves shipping :)11:10
TreenaksdeFrysk: yeah :)11:12
Treenakswhee.. CDs are shipping :)11:12
bigtonyi have a broken package now every time i open synaptic how do i find which one and get rid of it?11:14
deFryskbigtony, apt-get -f install11:15
Treenaksbigtony: just do what synaptic tells you?11:15
TreenaksdeFrysk: doesn't synaptic do that itself?11:15
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deFrysksorry11:15
bigtonyi have tried what it says11:15
bigtonybut it doesn't work thats what i've had the problem with all day long11:16
mvo_try to use "fix broken" in the menu11:16
bigtonyits like someting it screwed int he pre-removal script11:16
bigtonydone that too11:16
mvo_bigtony: what package is it?11:16
mrjiveis x.org already present in hoary?11:16
bigtonysamba11:16
deFryskmrjive, yup11:17
mvo_and what is the error message when you e.g. try to remove it?11:17
mrjivei mean, if i change my sources can i install x.org?11:17
deFryskmrjive, yup11:17
mrjivedeFrysk: tnx :)11:17
bigtonyi would cut and paste what it says but it will not copy11:18
danielscrimsun: right11:18
bigtonyprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 10211:18
bigtonyerror processing samba --remove11:18
mvo_bigtony: that's all? no more information?11:19
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bigtonyis there a way to cut and past the synaptic error messages?11:19
mvo_bigtony: I used to think that this is possible :) If not, I'll file a bug about it11:20
bigtonydang it i can't get it to cut and paste11:21
mvo_bigtony: I suspect the error is shown inside the terminal window of synaptic? it should be possible to mark the text with the left button and paste it with the middle button11:21
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bigtonyit it 3.0.7-lubuntu611:21
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bigtonyof samba thats giving me the problem11:22
bigtonyit ried it doesn't work11:22
atropu1sorry my gnome has frozen11:23
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atropu1:)11:23
joolzatropu1: isn't it more usual that they turn to stone? ;-)11:24
bigtonyany other ideas?11:24
mvo_bigtony: I install it now and see if I can reproduce the problem11:24
bigtonyok11:25
mvo_give me a couple of minutes :)11:25
bigtonyok thanks11:25
bigtonyhere is exactly what i get11:26
bigtonyhttp://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user/980711:26
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bigtonybut i don't know how to fix it11:26
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nimcis it a bug that some programs, like x-chat and synaptic, don't save the maximized state after you exit them (they save the maximized coords but without the small square button on top-right that says it's maximized), and other programs like firefox do save the maximized state?11:26
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z0mbi3anyone got any success plugging an iPod to a x86 ubuntu system?11:27
nimcz0mbi3, i was going to try it soon..... you tried and it didnt work?11:27
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jobezonebigtony, try deleting  /etc/rc2.d/K09samba and uninstall again samba11:29
Fiikhello,.. I am downloading 4.10 right now and was wondering what kernel ver it was?  I have heard 2.6.8.1?11:29
bigtonyok will try11:29
TreenaksFiik: that's correct11:29
z0mbi3well, it does work.....when it wants to :p11:29
bigtonythank you guys for the help by the way11:29
FiikTreenaks: Thanks for that11:29
nimcz0mbi3, elaborate...?:)11:30
z0mbi3I had to rebuild rhythmbox with the --with-ipod option in configure, but I'm having trouble mounting the ipod11:30
jobezonebigtony, it's just a symlink to samba, if samba was installed it would start when you booted your computer.11:30
z0mbi3the modules sometime work, other thimes don't work11:30
z0mbi3grunf!11:30
bigtonyso stillr emove ?11:30
jobezoneyes11:31
z0mbi3If I reboot, probably it will fix, until I unmount the ipod again.....11:31
nimcu use rhythmbox as an itunes clone? not something like gtkpod ?11:31
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Lowrywhat is a good lcd font?11:31
Fiiknot that it's an entirely ubuntu related question but what is the sil_sata driver status for 2.6.8.1?  any links?11:31
bigtonyok now try it again?11:31
bigtonyas in a reinstall?11:31
jobezonebigtony, first uninstall11:31
z0mbi3I use it just to access my music on the iPod, my other computer is an iBook running MacOS X, so I'm actually using iTunes to fill the iPod up11:31
bigtonyjust hit mark unistall?11:31
jobezonebigtony, yes11:32
bigtonysorry new on this and obviously i'm doing somethign wrong ok11:32
bigtonylet me try11:32
nimcok11:32
z0mbi3to disconnect the iPod I must umount /mnt/ipod then rmmod sbp211:32
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z0mbi3If I reboot without disconnecting the iPod I'll have troubles after reconnecting it.....AFAIK this has been it's Modus Operandi11:33
z0mbi3my problems with rebooting (other than having to lose a bit os uptime) is that sometimes the machine doesn't boot....11:34
jobezonebigtony, you can also got to a console and type "sudo apt-get remove samba" (or substitute samba with another package name you want to uninstall)11:34
z0mbi3it freezes while running the hotplug init script11:34
z0mbi3after giving me a FATAL: hw_random module error (can't recall the actual text)11:35
bigtonyok that seemed to have worked11:35
bigtonynow reinstall it?11:35
nimcz0mbi3, i'll try it a little later and tell u what i get if you're still here.... which instructions should i follow to install the ipod stuff? link?11:36
jobezonebigtony, yeah. I never installed samba (never had to), but at least it's uninstalled proper11:36
jobezonebigtony, it didn't give any more errors right?11:36
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z0mbi3nimc, just a sec11:36
bigtonycorrect11:36
z0mbi3let me look for them11:36
jobezonebigtony, I would sugest that after you install samba11:36
jobezoneyou go to the directory /usr/share/doc/11:36
jobezonethere should be a directory called samba there, with texts which probably can help you in using and configuring it.11:37
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bigtonyyeah i know how to do that the conf file?11:37
jobezonesorry?11:38
z0mbi3nimc, http://people.csail.mit.edu/people/adonovan/hacks/ipod.html11:38
bigtonyi already did taht one time but then i got this error thing11:38
bigtonyand it was pissing me off ;)11:38
z0mbi3nimc, http://neuron.com/~jason/ipod_archive.html11:38
bigtonythanks for your help11:38
jobezone:) ok11:38
z0mbi3nimc, http://www.cs.duke.edu/~geha/ipod/11:38
jobezonelook for the directory I mentioned in your disk, it usually gives good hints11:38
nimcthanks.....11:38
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z0mbi3well, gonna try to reboot...11:40
z0mbi3brb11:40
bigtonythanks again i'm goint to bed on that one :)11:40
jobezoneok:)11:41
jobezonebigtony, good luck. try searching the net using the error you got11:41
bigtonyi did11:41
bigtonybut i never could figure out how to solve it11:41
bigtonythats how i got that page i posted11:42
jobezoneah11:42
bigtonygoogles my friend11:42
bigtonybut someone's he is a butt11:42
jobezoneyes, it's mine also. Google groups also a good friend11:42
jobezonefor error messages11:42
bigtonydidn't try the groups11:43
bigtonywill do that nextime11:43
bigtonythanks again11:43
bigtonynext task is mplayer11:43
jobezonewelcome11:43
bigtonyfun fun fun11:43
jobezoneI think I saw that11:43
jobezoneon the forums11:43
bigtonyyeah11:43
bigtonyi have the url for it11:43
bigtonygonna try it after some sleep11:43
bigtonythank god no work today11:43
jobezoneah, ok11:43
jobezoneme too11:43
bigtonythis the one your refering to?11:44
bigtonyhttp://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-127198.html11:44
linux_mafiagod dosent exist11:44
jobezoneyes:)11:44
bigtonyhope your right when yoru burning in hell11:44
bigtonybut i'm not getting into religious stuff cause personally i don't care one way or another :)11:45
jobezonewait a minute, isn't mplayer in Universe?11:45
bigtonyi thought so11:45
bigtonyhere is the thing11:45
bigtonyi installed it right11:45
bigtonywith the mplayer-custom11:46
bigtonybut it NEVER11:46
jobezoneI think the only manual thing you have to do is get the codecs from mplayer's site11:46
bigtonyopens11:46
bigtonylet me show youw hat it does11:46
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jobezoneok11:46
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bigtonycheck your pm11:46
SandmanDoes Ubunutu have its own repositories?11:47
MithrandirSandman: yes.11:47
SandmanDoes it include software like mplayer, which Debian doesn't include?11:47
danielsit includes mplayer, but no codecs11:48
danielswe don't distribute anything illegal11:48
SandmanAnd will Ubuntu give Debian the shaft, like so many of its other offshoots? That is to say, will Ubuntu work with Debian, or will it basically fork?11:48
Sandmandaniels: Of course11:48
danielswe will continue to work productively with debian, as we always have11:49
linux_mafiaSandman, definately work with11:49
SandmanI've just been very concerned about Debian lately; I still believe it is the Best Distribution (or at least, framework for distribution) on planet earth11:49
linux_mafiaSandman, many ubuntu devs are also debian devs, like the guy your talking to now11:49
SandmanAnd many distributions just basically copy Debian, and fork, which really hurts them.11:49
Treenaksdebian has a lot of social problems that need to be solved, imho11:49
SandmanTreenaks: So mean, like removing packages for personal issues?11:50
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jdubSandman: ubuntu is a branch of sid11:50
TreenaksSandman: no, "fighting" between developers, lots of flamewars11:50
jdubSandman: not a fork11:50
SandmanTreenaks: How does Ubuntu propose to fix thse issues?11:51
SandmanTreenaks: these, rather11:51
daniels(note that we have a continuous sync with debian running, so that if we deeply forked, we'd be drowning in unfixable bugs)11:51
AmaranthSandman: By forking. :P11:51
TreenaksAmaranth: branching11:51
AmaranthTreenaks: Fine line there.11:51
SandmanTreenaks: Branching, that is to say: You use Sid, but have different QA for how they trickle down into Stable?11:51
jdubAmaranth: look at hoary.11:52
SandmanMy main issue with Debian is that they don't support their Testing distribtion.11:52
AmaranthI know, hoary is just pulling from sid.11:52
SandmanSomeone could make an effective distribution by simply branching Testing, and offering security updates to it.11:52
jdubSandman: each ubuntu release starts from sid, freezes, and comes out every six months11:52
linux_mafiaSandman, smaller team, tightly defined direction, etc11:52
SandmanWhich is something a great many people want.11:52
TreenaksBut I used to be a debian developer.. one of my reasons to stop (aside from lack of time..) was the way people try to make you do what THEY want, even if it's not the best thing for the project11:52
jdubSandman: we've chosen to do that with sid, not testing.11:52
Sandmanjdub: Which is fine. ALthough you'd probably require an even smaller staff if you chose to use Testing =) That's just my opinion though.11:53
Sandmanjdub: I totally understand the purpose of Ubuntu now, though.11:53
AmaranthTreenaks: Not to mention all the people that hate debian devs.11:53
TreenaksAlso, I've seen quite a few fixed-by-ubuntu entries in Debian changelogs on sid/testing11:53
Sandmanjdub: There's definately still a need for it.11:53
jdubSandman: not really; using testing just keeps you in the debian release box.11:53
TreenaksAmaranth: yes, even when I tried to be reasonable with them..11:53
Sandmanjdub: Except that Debian only releases when it's ready, which could be as long as 2 years.11:53
AmaranthTreenaks: Lots of Debian devs seem to like to move files around to make them fit in and it causes things to break.11:53
jdubSandman: that's why we branch off sid, not testing.11:54
AmaranthLike the monodevelop package.11:54
Sandmanjdub: Understood.11:54
MithrandirSandman: the problem with Debian releases is not that they're infrequent, it's that they're unpredictable.11:54
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Sandmanjdub: The way Debian works right now is a method to effectively develop a rock-solid Stable distro. It's old, very secure, not necessarily totally bug-free.11:54
TreenaksAmaranth: mono is a broken hell by design, it seems.. executables named ".exe"? libraries named ".dll"?11:54
Sandmanjdub: It's a great thing, Debian Stable, but it's not a solution for all things.11:54
TreenaksAmaranth: no standard GNU-ish build-trees for Mono packages..11:54
Sandmanjdub: What Ubuntu is doing is something useful, and it's great that it has chosen to work with Debian, rather than away from it.11:55
AmaranthTreenaks: Hmm?11:55
scandiumTreenaks: no one forces you to use mono, you could just look at DotGNU instead, too ;)11:55
SandmanMithrandir: That, too.11:55
TreenaksAmaranth: no simple "gcc-ish" interface, ("gcc blah.c" generates "a.out" which works, there's no equal for mono)11:55
AmaranthTreenaks: mcs blah.cs generates blah.exe11:55
SandmanMithrandir: But Debian's release policy still has its uses. It makes very very solid, dependable releases. Although it has its fair share of problems imho, but that's a whole other issue.11:55
mlhTreenaks, same as any interpreted language11:55
TreenaksAmaranth: yes, with loads of undefined references because of "Assembly not found"11:56
Treenaksmlh: even perl Just Works... mono doesn't11:56
jdubTreenaks: mono .exe/.dll are not a 'broken design' problem11:56
AmaranthWith binfmt you can just run ./text.exe just like with something gcc created.11:56
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Gavrilahi all11:57
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danielsTreenaks: um, if you want to generate a complex C program, you need lots of flags11:57
Gavrilain ubuntu are updates to the stable version made even not waiting for next release?11:58
danielsTreenaks: look at any GNOME compilation -- starting with -lX11 and right up to bazillions of other utility library11:58
Treenaksjdub: not being able to create a simple GNU-like build tree in 2 seconds (like I can for C stuff)..11:58
danielsTreenaks: you cannot run 'gcc -o foo bar.c' on any modern program other than Hello World, period11:58
GavrilaI mean if I get ubuntu stable, will "stable" packages be freezed until next release? or will they be updated day by day?11:58
MithrandirGavrila: security updates only.11:58
Treenakswhats wrong with make?11:58
Amaranthdaniels: bin2iso works like that ;)11:58
AmaranthTreenaks: You can use makefiles with mono.11:58
AmaranthTreenaks: Look at IronPython11:59
GavrilaMithrandir: so for example Warty has been released with gnome-2.811:59
jdubTreenaks: i don't think that's true.11:59
danielsTreenaks: exactly, what is wrong with make?  works just fine for the two mono projects I've made11:59
GavrilaMithrandir: and there will be no uptade untill next 6 monthS?11:59
jdubGavrila: stable releases are stable (unchanging)11:59
MithrandirGavrila: correct.11:59
MithrandirGavrila: unless one runs the development bracn, naturally.11:59
Treenaksdaniels: I tried to use mono, but stopped at creating a source tree.. it's just impossible, compared to a Gnome-using-C tree11:59
GavrilaMithrandir: but yet development is really unreliable11:59
Elwood_Hawaiiand hoary?it will update every second?12:00
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AmaranthTreenaks: I call PEBKAC.12:00
MithrandirGavrila: hm?  Unreliable in what regard?12:00
danielsTreenaks: worked fine for me12:01
GavrilaMithrandir: I mean it will not assure that packages will work12:01
Gavrilaam I wrong?12:01
MithrandirGavrila: that's right, you should not run it in a production system.12:01
stvnGavrila: you can't have both a stable desktop and one that includes the newest of the newest, ubuntu made a nice compromise with warty and hoary IMHO12:01
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MithrandirGavrila: but there won't be a stable release of gnome before March, at which point the hoary preview release goes out.12:01
z0mbi3back12:02
GavrilaMithrandir: and what about gnome-2.8.1?12:02
AmaranthThat reminds me, will hoary eventually be using GNOME 2.9?12:02
MithrandirGavrila: warty already includes a lot of the fixes in gnome 2.8.112:02
stvnAmaranth: no, 2.9 = unstable12:02
MithrandirAmaranth: I believe the stable release of gnome 2.9 is called gnome 2.1012:02
Amaranthstvn: Yes, just like hoary.12:02
seb128Amaranth: hoary already has 2.9.112:02
AmaranthOh?12:02
jdubAmaranth: hoary already includes the 2.9 development stuff12:02
stvnAmaranth: ah sorry, misread it :)12:03
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AmaranthI've still got 2.8.1. :/12:03
stvnAmaranth: it will be 2.10 when hoary is released12:03
seb128the "about" says 2.8.1 because this module has no 2.9.1 tarball12:03
Amaranthstvn: I know.12:03
seb128Amaranth: dpkg -l gnome-applets ?12:03
SandmanI hope Ubuntu will work with UMSDOS =)12:03
Gavrilais hoary unstable as debian unstable is? or worse?12:03
SandmanOr rather, contribute to it, I mean.12:04
Amaranthseb128: 2.9.1, cool12:04
AmaranthGavrila: hoary is like a mix of sid and experimental12:04
AmaranthActually, so is warty (GNOME 2.8) but yeah.12:05
SandmanGiven that Ubuntu is based on Debian, will one be able to apt-get upgrade when a new release is made, or must one download the ISOs again?12:05
AmaranthSandman: apt-get works12:05
jdubSandman: on-line upgrade is a feature we couldn't possibly nuke :)12:06
stvnheh12:06
mjrhmh, I try to change the WWW browser to Galeon and still gnome-terminal opens firefox12:06
Lowrynight12:06
Amaranthmjr: You changed sensible-browser?12:06
seb128mjr: gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command ?12:06
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mjrAmaranth, no, the gnome preferred browser12:07
seb128mjr: gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command ?12:08
seb128(again)12:08
AmaranthOh, I just changed the symlink.12:08
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mjrseb128, yes, that's galeon12:09
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stvnTreenaks: voor 3D spelletjes is de nvidia driver anders wel prettig hoor12:11
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mjrhmh, I rebooted gnome-terminal and now it works12:11
Treenaksstvn: ja.. dat bedoel ik..12:11
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mjrhmh, and now, after restarting gnome-terminal, it recognizes the changes on the fly12:15
mjrit's a heisenbug12:16
linux_mafiaanyone using current hoary, geting crashes with xmms?12:21
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deFrysklinux_mafia, use esd as out[ut driver12:24
deFryskout[ut12:24
deFryskp12:24
deFryskthen it works fine12:24
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linux_mafiadeFrysk, ok12:25
linux_mafiadeFrysk, meltdown with flash?12:25
danielstransset deb: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ transset/12:27
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deFrysklinu12:31
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netmonkI have a question, can someone help me, please!12:32
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deFrysknetmonk, unless u ask noone can12:36
netmonk;)12:37
netmonki have a toshiba notebook, there's a module toshiba_acpi but it doesn't load automaticaly, How can I make it load?12:38
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netmonkon my suse distro it loads as I start the computer, but with the ubunutu it doesn't12:40
Despairnetmonk: add `toshiba_acpi` to /etc/modules12:41
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netmonk10x Despair12:44
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atropu1I mount a floppy disk but I don't umount before I take it out and after I don't umount it: device is busy12:46
atropu1How can I use a new floppy after that?12:47
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Elwood_Hawaiifuser /dev/fd012:47
atropu1tnx12:48
Elwood_Hawaiiatropu1,  kill the process12:49
atropu1what kind of process? ps -e12:50
Elwood_Hawaiiatropu1,  the process number showed by fuser12:51
Elwood_Hawaiifuser  /dev/ttyLT012:52
Elwood_Hawaii/dev/ttyLT0:          315212:52
atropu1the fuser /dev/fd0 doesn't write it the pid12:53
atropu1for me12:53
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Elwood_Hawaiiatropu1, try mount whitout args and check what said12:54
atropu1with fuser -c /dev/fd0 its ok12:54
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atropu1tnx12:55
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seek187Is there a way to get the 'Computer' and 'Home' On the desktop like how it is in horay or whatever its called???12:59
Treenaksseek187: hoary12:59
Treenaksseek187: and, you can use gconf-editor for that I think01:00
seek187hmm ok thanks01:00
Treenaksseek187: wait a sec01:00
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seek187ok01:00
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Treenaksseek187: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.1393795212/view01:00
seek187ah cool thankyou :)01:01
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quazioni am trying to configure the use of an lpr printer, is lpd the right choice in the new printer menu ?01:11
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TreenaksQuazion: yes01:12
b_e_n_zQuazion: no, use cups01:12
Treenaksb_e_n_z: in the cups menu..01:12
Quazionhmmm01:12
Treenaksb_e_n_z: you can make cups print to lpd printers (and "lpd printer" is the same as an "lpr printer")01:13
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Quazionif i type in the que name i get * (stars) instead of a name01:13
b_e_n_zQuazion: install cups, point your browser to http://localhost:631 to configure your printer01:13
QuazionAdministrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu Computer > System configuration > Printing. ;-)01:14
Treenaksb_e_n_z: NO01:14
Treenaksb_e_n_z: that's disabled01:14
Treenaksb_e_n_z: in ubuntu...01:14
Quazionhehe ;-)01:15
Quazionthe page works though01:15
TreenaksQuazion: exactly :) and you can choose for an "lpr" or "lpd" printer there, the 2 are the same thing01:15
TreenaksQuazion: did you enable a root password then? (if so, why?)01:15
Quazionno01:15
Quazioni just did a plain install01:16
TreenaksQuazion: and the web interface works?.. weird01:16
Quazionit says its disabled01:16
Quazionbut does show the info01:16
QuazionAdministrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu Computer > System configuration > Printing.01:16
Quazionthats what it says at the top of the screen01:16
Quazioni cant change anything tru the web interface01:16
TreenaksQuazion: ah ok, that's good..01:16
TreenaksQuazion: use the menu :)01:16
Quazioni think it is yes01:16
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Quazionwhen i print it does nothing01:20
Quazionon the cups site it says:01:20
Quazion Printer State: processing, accepting jobs.01:20
Quazion"unable to create temporary file: No such file or directory"01:20
TreenaksQuazion: hmm.. that's weird..01:20
QuazionDevice URI: lpd://192.168.1.253/hp01:20
Treenaksany cups gurus around?01:20
Quazion*grins* :)01:20
b_e_n_zQuazion: you have an hp printer?01:21
Quazionyes01:21
b_e_n_zQuazion: you may want to install hpoj/hpij01:21
Quaziona hp psc 211001:21
Quazionbut its hooked to a lan print server01:21
b_e_n_zQuazion: and the hp foomatic drivers01:21
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pax82how to run hat program witch i deafult statring after instalation ? (upgrade from interent)01:28
danielspax82: try #redhat01:28
pax82I'm asking about ubuntu :>01:29
thoreauputicdaniels: typos i think01:29
thoreauputicmaybe language probs as well01:30
b_e_n_zi can understand a word he just said01:30
b_e_n_zcan't01:30
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thoreauputicpax82: do you mean the program for installing and updating?01:30
b_e_n_zhe's gone01:30
Despairhmm, maybe "How to run that program which I default start after installation? (upgrade from internet)"01:30
b_e_n_zprobably to #redhat01:30
thoreauputictoo late :/ he left already01:31
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Quazionthe gnome cups manager is very borked01:32
danielsoh, i read 'run hat' as 'red hat'01:32
b_e_n_zQuazion: you want http://hpoj.sourceforge.net01:34
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Quazioni had it working tru a windows smb server which shared the server01:35
Quazionbut i want to dismantle the windows computer, so i bought a lpr printserver01:35
b_e_n_zQuazion: and http://hpinkjet.sf.net01:35
Quazionwhich works from my windows client01:35
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Quazionmy problem is not with the printer driver, cause it works b_e_n_z atleast tru smb printing, just lpr is not working, but thanks anyways :)01:38
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nodaNow that I've got x.org, how can I give my menus drop-shadows?01:44
b_e_n_znoda: xcompmgr01:45
nodaI apt-cache searched for it and found nothing01:45
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fabbioneit's not in the archive yet01:46
nodaoh :)01:46
cenerentolaciao01:46
nodaThat'd explain it :)01:46
fabbioneit will be within today or tomorrow01:46
fabbioneciao01:46
nodaAnd when I install it it'll just work?01:46
b_e_n_zi think metacity has some support for drop shadow... but i am not 100% sure01:46
fabbionenoda: yes01:46
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nodaNext: nautilus is taking ages to open folders, and the file load/save dialogs are taking ages to open. Does anyone else have this problem (or a suggestion)?01:47
nodaA quick test of "gnomevfs-cat" and "gnomevfs-ls" showed that they run quickly.01:48
jdubnoda: using hoary?01:49
nodayup01:49
jdubhave you upgraded, watched libgamin replace libfam, and not installed gamin?01:49
nodaYes, I have probably done exactly that :)01:49
nodaI didn't realize I had to install a daemon :)01:49
nodaThanks :)01:49
nodaVery fast now :)01:49
nodaWow, that's cool. jdub, you rock :)01:50
jdububuntu-desktop should depend on it01:50
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jdubmartink: ;)01:50
nodaWow, I don't have ubuntu-desktop installed. Maybe because I switched to totem-xine01:51
port7will ubuntu ever do tv adverts?01:51
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martinkjdub, and I didn't blame the terminal for the delay01:51
jdubmartink: hahaha01:52
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cenerentola_...01:53
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nodajdub: Thanks for your help. Later :)01:54
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n1temanhi can anyone give me some info?01:57
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secretarisI modified the username and password of the only sudoer on the system01:58
n1temani was just wondering if there is an ubuntu distro for powerpc machines - common hardware reference platform?01:59
secretarisis there a way out of that?01:59
robertjanyone on hoary experiencing problems with burning cds?01:59
Treenakssecretaris: uh.. vi did visudo and passwd ?01:59
robertjniteman: yes, it's fully supported. Grab the ppc disk01:59
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n1temanso it should work on my pegasos ppc machine?01:59
Treenakssecretaris: boot in recovery mode, and visudo, change the username01:59
secretarisok, thx01:59
secretarisbye01:59
linux_mafiarobertj, problems? specifics?02:00
robertjlinux: right click and burning an iso causes a crash, cdrecord -scanbus shows nothing02:00
robertjxcdroast detects no burner02:00
seek187hmm is there a easy way to upgrade gaim02:01
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SmokingFirerobertj: to use cdrecord use cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom02:01
lupus_do only not removable IDE support smart?02:01
linux_mafiarobertj, yes i have nautilus prob, running xcdroast under sudo?02:01
cenerentolaive got problems with hoary02:01
Treenakslinux_mafia: use gksudo02:02
cenerentolaive upgraded to hoary02:02
linux_mafiaTreenaks, what for?02:02
Treenakslinux_mafia: to start X apps02:02
cenerentolaand now i can use gdm only in 640*48002:02
Treenakslinux_mafia: s root02:02
SmokingFirerobertj: linux2.6 or something doesn't support the scsi burner way of scanbus but using /dev/cdrom works arround this.02:02
cenerentolaand if i try to install anything it gives an error, in synaptic, for eggdesktopentries.c line 222302:02
linux_mafiaTreenaks, oh, no, i was asking robertj if he is using xcdroast with sudo, because of 2.6.8.x cd burning bug/prob02:03
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Treenakslinux_mafia: oh ah ok02:03
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cenerentolawho can help?02:05
robertjI used the disk utility which lists all your disks02:05
robertjit showed /dev/hddd to be the rw drive02:05
robertjand thats working02:05
cenerentolaplz help.. ive got an instable connection i dont know for how much time i will be online02:06
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bezakbacking up mp3's to my ipod bout to do a format, the fear is setting in haha02:07
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bezakcerentol: shouldve stuck to the stable install hehe02:08
cenerentola... well yes.. but how can i change screen resolution?02:09
cenerentolaits stuck in 640 even if it doesnt appear in xorg.config02:09
bezakcerentol: i'm sorry im no expert with gdm or xfree02:10
cenerentolano its xorg... ;)02:11
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jdubcenerentola: /etc/X11/xorg.conf02:12
cenerentolaive already checked it...02:12
cenerentolaand it doesnt even appear 640*48002:12
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cenerentolathey are all higher resolutions02:12
jdubcheck the xorg logfiles, it's probably not working02:12
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cenerentolathey're in?02:13
cenerentolajdub: whats eggdesktopentries.c related to?02:14
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paoHi all! How do I control window placement strategy in metacity?02:15
jdubpao: you can't.02:15
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paojdub, I was fearing it :-)02:16
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=== sid77 bye all
paojdub, do you think I can get the same level of gnome integration with icewm?02:16
jdubperhaps, see if it supports the freedesktop.org window management standards02:16
danielsword up to ewmh02:17
paojdub, thanks...02:17
cenerentolajdub: where are xorg logs located?02:18
paodaniels, enlightment?02:18
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jdubcenerentola: /var/logs/02:19
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kensaiso cds are already shipping!02:21
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ghostriflehi, could anyone help me with getting sound juicer to encode mp3s ?? the mp3 option is disabled02:22
kensaianyone has enabled composite in xorg?02:22
seek187what all do I need to install to compile programs02:22
cenerentolajdub: youre right (EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (module does not exist, 0)02:23
danielscenerentola: you're using the nvidia binary driver02:23
cenerentolayes02:23
cenerentolai was actually ;)02:23
danielsdon't do that02:24
cenerentolatoo late...02:24
danielsor, if you do that, do it properly02:24
cenerentolahow?;)02:24
danielsdon't load the GLcore or dri modules02:24
cenerentoladaniels: well what do you mean?02:24
cenerentolaahh.. and will it get all up working02:25
cenerentola?02:25
danielsmaybe, I don't know02:25
danielsi don't have any nvidia hardware02:25
thoreauputicseek187: sudo apt-get install build-essential gcc g++ make automake   (that should cover it I think)02:25
paoHow do I check if my xchat support python?02:26
ghostriflejoin /#gnome-de02:26
thoreauputicpao: it does02:26
thoreauputicpao: assuming you are using ubuntu02:27
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paothoreauputic, I do :-)02:27
genmorning guys02:28
pao'evening gen :-)02:28
genmorning for me :)02:28
gen7:30 heh02:28
pao14:30 here... :-)02:28
geneurope?02:29
paoyep... Italy02:29
paoCET :-)02:29
paoCentral European Time02:29
gennice02:30
Treenaksrun "TZ=CET date" in a shell :P02:30
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paobye all friends... back to work...02:33
genbye02:33
paoCIAO!02:33
LifesizeKenDollso how's everyone doing today?02:34
geni'm good, and you?02:34
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cenerentoladaniels: quite the same02:40
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cenerentolahttp://www.pastebin.com/11855202:42
danielsall I see is the authentication problems02:43
danielswhich are probably caused by a crackful ~/.Xauthority02:43
danielsnothing to do with any actual server problems02:43
cenerentolaso what should i do?02:44
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cenerentoladaniels: what should i do?02:45
danielswhich problem are you actually trying to fix?02:45
cenerentolaim stuck in 640*48002:45
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cenerentoladaniels: and it also complains with a eggdesktopentries.c line 222302:47
cenerentoladaniels: it=apt-get02:47
danielscenerentola: yeah, that's not fatal02:48
cenerentolathx for the infos...02:49
cenerentoladaniels: now how can i get over it?02:49
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danielsdunno02:49
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cenerentolacan you ask in devel?02:50
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cenerentolai mean over the resolution problem... thats vital02:50
cenerentoladaniels: the eggdesk.. thing is less important02:51
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danielsdunno02:52
danielsedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf02:52
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danielsdelete HorizSync/VertRefresh lines02:52
cenerentolain the monitor settings? only that?02:52
LinuxJonesGood morning everybody :)02:54
cenerentola... ill reboot02:54
LifesizeKenDollrebooting is for losers02:54
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LifesizeKenDollLinuxJones: good morning02:54
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kvmhi02:59
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kvmhow come the command "init 3" do nothing except freezing my pc?03:00
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kvmis it something repairable?03:00
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Quazionfixxed my printing problem :) somehow cups went wild and created a 100 lpd print jobs that hang,so my new settings didnt work until i reboted :)03:07
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danielscenerentola: oh well, then no idea, sorry03:09
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cenerentoladaniels: maybe ull like this alittle more http://www.pastebin.com/11855803:10
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danielscenerentola: dude03:11
daniels(WW) NVIDIA(0): config file hsync range 28-33kHz not within DDC hsync ranges.03:11
daniels(WW) NVIDIA(0): config file vrefresh range 43-72Hz not within DDC vrefresh ranges.03:11
danielscenerentola: delete horizsync and vertrefresh from /etc/X11/xorg.conf03:11
cenerentolaive already done it03:11
cenerentola...03:11
cenerentola...03:11
cenerentola...03:11
cenerentolasorry03:11
gwildor_morning (for me) room03:12
Quazionhow do i add new fonts ?03:14
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jdubQuazion: open nautilus, hit ctrl-l, type "fonts:///"03:16
jdubQuazion: drag stuff in there03:16
Quazionk thanks03:16
Quazionwonder why there isnt a link to it somewhere03:17
jdubthere is, but somewhat hidden :)03:17
Quazionseems the fonts are locked03:17
jdubit's in computer > desktop preferences > font; then details, then 'go to fonts folder'03:17
jdubthe fonts listed there already are system fonts03:17
jdubif you drag fonts in there, they'll be installed for your user only (in ~/.fonts)03:18
Quazionsounds logical03:18
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Quazionseems to work, although it doesnt show in the fonts folder ;-)03:22
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Keybukjdub: yeah, that button should be under "Font Preferences" and not hidden under "Details"03:24
Quazionindeed, feels not logical :)03:24
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jdubKeybuk: i've toyed with the idea of that view being the primary font preferences window, with the other bits as a bar at the top or something03:27
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edddoes hoary have a newer kernel?03:34
jdubonly slightly03:34
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jdubit fixes two configuration changes that crept into warty03:34
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eddso no good for getting my hands on 2.6.9?03:34
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gholenHow do I install XMMS in ubuntu?03:35
danielsedd: mjg59 has a test 2.6.9 kernel with swsusp love, iirc03:35
danielsmjg59: OBNOXIOUS HIGHLIGHTING TRIGGER ^^03:35
Deviledghoeln - open the console and type in "sudo apt-get install xmms"03:35
edddaniels: oh cool. see, i'm moving my main laptop to ubuntu in a fit of recklessness03:36
danielsedd: rad!03:36
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gholengonna try it03:36
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Deviledmaybe you should do "sudo apt-get update" first ;)03:37
Elwoodubuntu to all03:37
mjg59edd: http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/laptops/03:37
Deviledel, yeah, i removed my winxp partiotion yesterday ;)03:37
Elwoodi have just get xorg from hoary but it crashes saying no core device, crash on keyboard...03:37
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eddmjg59: cool. i'll likely bug you a little :)03:38
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gwildor_hi guys03:39
ElwoodEE) No Input driver matching `Keyboard'03:39
Elwood(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Mouse1" (type: MOUSE)03:39
Elwood(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "NVIDIA Event Handler" (type: Other)03:39
Elwood(II) Mouse1: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded03:39
ElwoodNo core keyboard03:39
Elwoodany idea?03:39
danielsnvidia event handler??03:40
danielswhat did you do to your config file?03:40
Elwooddaniels,  the config is ok..the same of xfree8603:40
Elwoodit failed to initialize core  devices03:41
danielswhere did nvidia event handler come from?03:41
Elwoodi suppose from my nvdia driver?03:41
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danielstry changing "keyboard" to "kbd"03:42
danielsbut I don't know, dude03:42
LinuxJoneshi gwildor_03:42
gengwil dor as in masters of the universe?03:42
genahah03:42
Rene_SBleh, its winter .... :(03:42
LinuxJonesRene_S, we got out first snow flurries yesterday :(03:43
gholendid not work, am i to change anything?03:43
Elwooddaniels,  ok thnks03:43
Rene_SLinuxJones, yeah same here03:43
bwlanganybody know how to setup a usb key to be a home dir for the live cd of ubuntu?03:43
LinuxJonesRene_S, I see your on Rogers you poor soul :D03:44
Rene_SLinuxJones, well I am not a big fan of Sympatico03:44
LinuxJonesRene_S, Sympatico and Rogers are both garbage :)03:45
gwildor_gen, you know it  I HAVE THE POWER03:45
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Rene_SLinuxJones, I have had rogers for 5 years now, got used to the level of service03:46
Rene_SLinuxJones, to lazy to switch03:46
LinuxJonesRene_S, heh I am surprised you not still running Microsoft products, J/K 8)03:46
Rene_SLinuxJones, Nah, Not even for gaming anymore, dont miss it at all03:47
gwildor_linuxjones, just so you know, I am that mirak noob that was here a few weeks ago, the mirak that hangs here now isnt me03:47
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nimcwhat do i mount in /dev for firewire ?03:50
Zindaryou never "mount" anything in /dev... from /dev perhaps.. but never in03:50
nimcok:)03:50
Deviledhm, can somebody tell my how i get my AltGR button to work? it doesnt want to do the ..ahh... this thing to go to the home folder.... looks like a lyling s03:50
ZindarDeviled: usually it's enought to change from pc104 to pc105 in /etc/X11/XF86Config-403:51
nimcwebpage i'm looking at said /dev/sda2 - but there isn't such a thing hmm03:51
mjg59edd: The acpi-support scripts there ought to do suspend/resume on your machine, too03:51
gholenHow do I install XMMS in ubuntu? did not work whit the atp-get03:51
Zindarat least that does it for swedish keyboards03:51
Zindargholen: "sudo apt-get install xmms".. you MIGHT need to enable universe first03:52
eddmjg59: cool. i'll report back.03:52
nimcZindar, do u know what i should use instead of /dev/sda2 ?03:52
QuazionHow do i edit the menu's ?03:52
Deviledi'll try.. have a german keyboard03:52
Zindarnimc: no, are you sure you're firewire hardware is supported by linux...???03:52
Zindarnmic: it may not be03:52
Zindarnimc: that's the first thing to find out03:52
gholenunivere are enabled!03:52
nimcZindar, it's an ipod.... someone said here earlier that it is03:52
Elwood Identifier  "Keyboard1"    Driver      "Keyboard"03:53
Elwoodit should be keyboard0?03:53
eddmjg59: your packages are ok to use with warty?03:53
nimcZindar, sorry, when i plug it in... /dev/sda2 appears03:54
Zindarnimc: ahh.. it is... however, the firewire hardware in your computer must be supported as well03:54
DeviledZindar: could you say me where can i find pc104 in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ?03:55
Zindarnimc: alright.. that's good03:55
ZindarDeviled:         Option          "XkbModel"      "pc105"03:55
LinuxJonesgwildor_, someone stole your nick ?03:55
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DeviledZindar: oh..k..found it..but it's already pc105 :/03:56
ZindarDeviled: than that's not the problem03:56
nimcZindar, hmm now i get: mount: you must specify the filesystem type03:56
ZindarDeviled: sorry.. can't help you03:56
mjg59edd: Should be, yup03:56
Zindarnimc: are you running a windows ipod or a mac ipod?03:56
gwildor_linuxjones, he registered it, but didn't hang in this room, but he started coming here, and made me change it, pm's all day long03:56
Zindarnimc: I think it has to be converted to a windows ipod first...03:56
Zindarbut I am not sure03:56
LinuxJonesgwildor_, yikes03:57
sjoerdmac ipod should work fine03:57
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jonohi all03:57
nimcZindar, it's a windows formatted ipod03:57
Zindarnimc: I think you need help from someone who has a ipod.. I run iriver since it's better :)03:57
LinuxJoneshi jono03:57
jonoanyone use a palm with ubuntu?03:57
Deviledah, ok, i have to press it twise..lol, should tried it out03:57
gwildor_LinuxJones, yeah, im not very happy with him03:57
jonoI dont know which port is used in /dev - there is no /dev/pilot03:57
nimci'll look at the websites in a little more detail.... if i don't get it i'll try to ask here some more...03:58
Zindarjono: probably a /dev/ttySx03:58
Rene_S/dev/co-pilot ?   hehe03:58
Zindarwhere x is a number03:58
jonoit is a USB device though03:58
Zindarahh03:58
Zindarthan I have no idea03:58
Treenaks/dev/ttyUSBx ?03:58
Treenakslook in dmesg..03:58
jonothere are no ttyUSB entries03:59
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jonoit doesnt say anything in /var/log/messages when I plug it in03:59
Treenaksjono: and in kern.log?04:00
thoreauputicls /dev | grep -i usb  ?04:00
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britt_hey04:04
britt_Got a question for you all04:04
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BrittMan914hello04:04
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BrittMan914can anybody help me04:05
BrittMan914?04:05
ZindarBrittMan914: just ask04:05
BrittMan914alrigth04:05
BrittMan914anybody experience lockups in OpenOffice.Org when opening up multiple documents04:06
BrittMan914sorry04:06
BrittMan914i didnt know anybody was in here04:06
deFrysk303 in here04:06
gholenokej, so now I've got the xmms and the plugin for greamer to play MP3's, but I can't install it, how do i du?04:06
Quazionmore questions: i mounted an ftp server, how can other applications use that connection ?04:06
ZindarBrittMan914: nope.. never happened for me04:06
BrittMan914ok04:06
BrittMan914:004:06
BrittMan914:)04:06
Zindargholen: what do you mean "can't install"04:06
BrittMan914anybody know of a RealVNC client that is easy to install04:07
gwildor_gholen, where did you get it?, apt or synaptic should have installed them04:07
deFryskgholen, just install the metapackage gstreamer-plugins to ge all plugins for gstreamer04:07
wasabiWhere about is mplayer?04:07
ZindarBrittMan914: application -> internet -> terminal server client works for me with vnc04:07
BrittMan914cool04:07
BrittMan914let me try04:07
deFryskgholen, meaning sudo apt-get install gstreamer-plugins04:07
gwildor_wasabi, marrilat, or ?multiverse?, if its universe ill get flamed04:07
wasabiwhat's the source for marrilat?04:08
gholengnna try agian04:08
gwildor_wasabi, check "restrictedformats" on the wiki04:08
gwildor_if ogra|bot was here, he'd post the link04:09
BrittMan914alrigth04:09
BrittMan914tried that04:09
BrittMan914and i get a error04:09
BrittMan914libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 cannot be found04:10
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BrittMan914what is that04:10
BrittMan914can i apt-get install those04:10
BrittMan914as a generic thing like libstdc?04:10
gwildor_BrittMan914, search in synaptic for it04:10
BrittMan914ok04:11
BrittMan914i think i did and i went down the list and installed all of them04:12
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BrittMan914probly a bad thing04:12
BrittMan914hey how do you do that04:12
gwildor_"/me shrugs"04:12
BrittMan914cool04:12
BrittMan914:)04:12
BrittMan914thanks04:12
gwildor_:)04:12
gholenIt gets the list, but then it complains abuot me not being ROOT, but I am04:12
gwildor_gholen, ??, when?04:12
gwildor_in synaptic?04:13
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gholenno, in comandmode04:13
gwildor_didja sudo?04:13
gholenis say's like this..04:13
gholenE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?04:13
gwildor_gholen, above me, sorry04:14
Treenaksgholen: well, maybe another process is using it (another apt/dpkg/synaptic running)04:14
gholenIn yej i did suso04:14
gwildor_gholen, ogh yeah, is synaptic open anywhere?04:14
gwildor_treenaks, thnx04:15
gholenno, not in this time04:15
Treenaksgholen: really sure?04:15
gwildor_gholen, something has to be, what do you have open, check all desktops04:16
thoreauputicmaybe another terminal04:16
gholenshall i reeboot my laptop and try again, yes, i'm positive..04:16
gwildor_thoreauputic, would another terminal open cause that?, I mean if was in the process of installing, sure, but I would think just sitting there04:17
gwildor_wouldnt*04:17
gholenokej, now, I'll start the synaptic04:17
gwildor_gholen, what do you have running?04:17
thoreauputicgwildor_: just wondering if the dir might be open somewhere else04:17
gwildor_thoreauputic, kk, I wasn't saying you were wrong, I was checking for myself, so I know04:18
thoreauputicgwildor_: in itself, of course, a terminal open is not important :)04:18
gwildor_thoreauputic, thnx :)04:18
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EfaistOshi04:19
gwildor_hi hi04:19
LinuxJonesEfaistOs, hiya04:19
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EfaistOsfor the security updates it's ubuntu or debian who take care of this  ?04:19
Matthew_Iso ubuntu is basically debian, but targeted for the desktop04:19
gwildor_I guess , in a way, kinda, sorta04:20
gholennow, I've reloaded the synaptic, and a bunch of uppgrades is shown04:21
LinuxJonesEfaistOs, the Ubuntu devs will compile the updates against Warty and make them available to us, so Ubuntu I would guess.04:21
Matthew_Iso basically you guys grab debian unstable, then fix it for distribution, add your utils and call it gravy04:21
gwildor_gholen, do em04:21
TreenaksMatthew_I: basically04:21
jdubMatthew_I: ubuntu isn't desktop specific, we just happen to have a really kickarse desktop :)04:21
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Matthew_Ihas there been any effort to become an official part of the debian project?04:22
Matthew_Ior is that not really of intrest?04:22
jdubthere's not really any scope for it04:22
dopeyi dont see how a project like ubuntu could become 'an official part' of debian04:22
Matthew_Ione reason I am asking so many quesitons is because I currently use debian unstable for my desktop (I am thinking about switching to ubuntu)04:23
fordsi really hate to ask this on such short notice, but i've got less than two days to figure ubuntu out before i give this system back to my sister and she moves away.  how do i install the kernel sources for the version i've got running (2.6.8.1-3-386)04:23
EfaistOsLinuxJones, and are ubuntu updates available quickly ?04:23
gwildor_Matthew_I, DO IT04:23
Matthew_II have a seperate home partition so switching should not be too difficult...04:23
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Matthew_II have for a while now thought that something like this should be made, because debian releases way to slow04:23
gwildor_Matthew_I, I bielive you can just UPGRADE to ubuntu, but don't ask me how04:23
LinuxJonesEfaistOs, you would have to ask the dev's about how quicky the Security Updates get released.04:23
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Matthew_II think they should have a server branch, a base branch, and a desktop branch all releasing seperatly...04:24
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netmonkhello! what file must i modify in order to have a daemon start every time I start the computer? i tryed to find rc.local but I was not able. any ideas?04:24
Matthew_Iso for extra packages not in ubuntu do I just pull those from debian?04:24
Zindarwas fairly easy..04:24
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dopeyfords: apt-get kernel-source-2.6.804:24
gholenthats just it, I cant, it shoows a huge amount of errors04:24
Nafallonetmonk: update-rc.d04:24
dopeyfords: s/apt-get /apt-get install /04:24
gwildor_Matthew_I, you could, but ubuntu does not recommend or support it04:24
Matthew_Iso where do I get stuff that I might need like mysql or something?04:25
EfaistOsLinuxJones, in comparaison to debian ... no idea ? when are the devs available here ?04:25
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gwildor_gholen, what are the errors, maybe turn off the cd source04:25
LinuxJonesEfaistOs, there are dev's here right now04:25
Matthew_Igwildor_: are the packages that heavily modified?04:25
fordsdopey: couldn't find package kernel-source-2.6.804:25
gwildor_Matthew_I, I have no idea04:25
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Nafallofords: linux-source-2.6.804:25
fordsdopey: and i figured the 'install' was implied.  i'm not completely stupid, just uneducated.  ;)04:25
EfaistOsLinuxJones, who ?04:25
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LinuxJonesEfaistOs, jdub04:26
dopeyfords: check in synaptec for packages with a similar name, unfortunately i dont have an ubuntu machine accessable at present04:26
Matthew_Igwildor_: ubuntu must have a stragety for packages that are not there?04:26
EfaistOsjdub, present ?04:26
fordsdopey, Nafallo, thanks.  i'll do that.04:26
Zindarlinux-source-2.6.8.104:26
LinuxJonesEfaistOs, I don't know if he's on that team or not though04:26
Nafallo:-)04:26
dopeyfords: apt-cache search ^kernel-source   (of course, i'm guessing..)04:26
Despairfords: `apt-cache search kernel-source` might be handy too04:26
Matthew_Iso how do you pronounce ubuntu?  is it like ooo-boon-too?04:26
TreenaksI think so.. jdub?04:26
thoreauputicfords: try apt-cache search linux-source04:26
gholencd suorce is of04:26
gwildor_Matthew_I, goona have to talk with a dev about it, im a noob,04:26
Matthew_Ior ooo BOON too?04:26
Nafallodopey: in ubuntu it's s/kernel/linux/g :-)04:26
Matthew_Igwildor_: oh... I figured as much...04:27
MasterYodagwildor_: not a prob though04:27
gwildor_MasterYoda, thnx :)04:27
fordsthoreauputic: already on it with synaptic.  give me a moment (trying to get this conexant winmodem working, but it required a kernel source tree to be present)04:27
dopeyfords: no offense intended, just lowest-common-denominator04:27
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fordsgive me a couple of minutes...04:27
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dopeyNafallo: danke, i'll keep it in mind04:27
lemsx1Nafallo, in ubunto is linux!? nice! ... i like that04:27
thoreauputicfords: ah - catch 2204:27
jdubMatthew_I: yeah04:27
lemsx1Nafallo, ubuntu of course :-)04:27
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jdubMatthew_I: ooh-ooh-ooh! ubuntu! :)04:27
Nafallothe correct way to pronounce ubuntu is written on the homepage somewhere.04:27
MasterYodajdub: huh?04:28
Nafallodopey: :-)04:28
MasterYodajdub: so it's ooh-ooh-ooh? or are you just rhyming?04:28
gwildor_masteryoda, jdub is a dev, ask him your question about debian04:28
netmonk10x Nafallo04:28
jdubMasterYoda: that's what the vowels sound like.04:28
fordsthoreauputic: perhaps.  i'm kind of hoping not.  but then again... i've gotta try before i ask.  and i wouldn't ask (instead resorting to google for such information) but i have no prior ubuntu experience.  i have only a couple of days to get it up and running before she moves out.04:29
MasterYodajdub: when I need packages not in ubuntu do I just install them from debian?04:29
lemsx1jdub, maybe somebody should make a .ogg for it :-)04:29
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Nafallonetmonk: np :-)04:29
dopeyjdub: what timezone are you in at the moment? :)04:29
fords...after which point, i think i'm going to install it on my own laptop.  it kicks ass.04:29
jdubMasterYoda: no!04:29
BrittMan914how do you say ubuntu04:29
MasterYodajdub: so it's like oooh-booh-tooh?04:29
MasterYodajdub: where do I get them?04:29
jdubMasterYoda: you can install almost all the debian packages from universe or multiverse04:29
BrittMan914oh04:29
gholenerror | libid3tag0 but it is not installable04:29
jdubMasterYoda: yes (pronounciation)04:29
BrittMan914ubuntu rocks04:30
MasterYodajdub: is that like a copy of the debian repo?04:30
BrittMan914I love it04:30
lemsx1BrittMan914, ;-) that seems to be the trend04:30
jdubdopey: none, i'm having a lot of trouble sleeping in one session atm.04:30
jdubMasterYoda: no, it's fully rebuilt for ubuntu04:30
MasterYodajdub: so this is a repo of debian packages tailored for ubuntu04:30
MasterYodajdub: so are all of debian's packages in there?04:31
Nafallofrom the FAQ, question 7.04:31
NafalloUbuntu, an African word from Zulu and Xhosa, is pronounced "oo-BOON-too".04:31
jdubMasterYoda: main is tailored for ubuntu, universe and multiverse are built against ubuntu (and sometimes patched/updated for fixes)04:31
jdubMasterYoda: as much as will build -> there's lots of stuff about this on the website, btw04:31
MasterYodajdub: is it just another apt source in practice, but you guys call it the multiverse?04:32
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lemsx1bbl04:32
gwildor_MasterYoda, there is main, universe, and multiverse04:32
netmonkNafallo: /usr/sbin/update-rc.d or /usr/share/sysvint/update-rc.d, and how?04:32
jdubMasterYoda: it's the multiverse component04:32
MasterYodajdub: yeah I have seen the site, I mentions this stuff but no specfics on exactly what it is04:32
MasterYodajdub: so it's an apt source right?04:32
Nafallonetmonk: sudo update-rc.d04:32
Nafallonetmonk: it will print incstructions :-)04:33
Nafallos/c//04:33
jdubMasterYoda: it's a component. like main, contrib and non-free in debian, we have main, restricted, universe and multiverse.04:33
netmonkNafallo, 10x again ;)04:33
Nafallo:-)04:33
LinuxJonesnetmonk, here's a decent tutorial >> http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=330604:33
MasterYodajdub: so like deb http://http.us.ubuntulinux.org/ warty main restricted univers multiverse...04:34
MasterYodajdub: something like that?04:34
jdubMasterYoda: look at your sources.list, dude!04:34
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MasterYodajdub: I use debian dude..04:34
wm_eddieyay firefoxs 1.004:34
netmonk10x LinuxJones04:34
Despairwm_eddie: boo.04:34
Nafallojdub: hi there :-). you might now how much info we want on those HardwareSupport wikipages?04:34
Nafallojdub: just rare things or the obvious to?04:35
MasterYodajdub: I understand ubuntu contributes fixes back to the debian project, are there steps being taken to keep collobration between the projects high?04:35
thoreauputicMasterYoda: lots of info on the website - just go do some searching and you will find...04:35
MasterYodathoreauputic: I have read lots of stuff on the website, now I am asking you guys about stuff I found slightly less clear04:35
jdubNafallo: dunno :)04:36
thoreauputicMasterYoda: OK - I meant the sources are listed in various places on the site04:36
Nafallojdub: well, then I add all my hardware later ;-)04:36
Nafallojdub: and sees what happens :-P.04:36
MasterYodathoreauputic: ahh ok04:36
jdubMasterYoda: we're a branch of sid, and we send fixes back - that's pretty close collaboration.04:36
MasterYodajdub: sounds good04:37
MasterYodaso can one switch from debian to ubuntu without a reinstall?04:37
gholenokej, now, I'll start the synaptic04:37
NafalloMasterYoda: I've done it ;-)04:37
TreenaksMasterYoda: in theory: yes, but it's not recommended or supported04:37
MasterYodaNafallo: how is it done?04:37
gholenHey!04:37
jdubMasterYoda: not recommended.04:37
ElwoodMasterYoda,  change sources.list04:37
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mxpxpodare there any plans to do a powerpc live cd?04:37
NafalloMasterYoda: sed sources.list and manually fix every package installed in aptitude. that's how I do it anyway :-)04:38
MasterYodaElwood: and that's it?  is there any special apt_preferences stuff I have to add so apt chooses packages from ubuntu?04:38
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jdubmxpxpod: not strong plans, but if you want to help out...04:38
thoreauputicMasterYoda: I can dcc you a default sources.list if you are interested - got it from someone I was helping the other day04:38
mxpxpodjdub: if I had more time, I would04:38
gholenI have to ask, is there anyone in here that kan talk and write in swedish04:38
mxpxpodjdub: or if I was hired by canonical......04:38
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MasterYodathoreauputic: that's ok, im not going to try it right now, I will set up a fresh system first to play around with it before I try to convert04:39
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Nafallogholen: if you haden't left I would have told you ;-).04:39
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wm_eddieso is firefox 1.0 going in to 4.10?04:39
Nafallogholen: *nickar* == *nods*04:39
MasterYodahey why did ubuntu start a 4 for it's version numbers?04:39
Treenakswm_eddie: no04:40
Nafallowm_eddie: probably not :-)04:40
MithrandirMasterYoda: 4.10 == 2004-10, year-month.04:40
gholenNafallo : bra, jag har trubbel som fan04:40
wm_eddieaww04:40
NafalloMasterYoda: answer is on the FAQ :-P04:40
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Nafallogholen: /msg04:40
wm_eddieI'm going to have to upgrade manually. if I want the new industrial theme...04:41
MasterYodahow do you all abbreviate ubuntu?04:41
gwildor_ubuntu04:42
wm_eddieand the one that I have is seriously broken when it comes to downloading or playing some file types.04:42
gwildor_ubntu04:42
wm_eddieubuntu...04:42
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jdubMasterYoda: six letters is not a stretch for most of us... :-)04:42
MasterYodano ub or anything? no ubt  or ubo or anything...04:43
gwildor_hahaha04:43
wm_eddieUbuntu is relatively sort when compared to Fedora Core #04:43
MasterYodait's just not a conventional name, I will have to get used to typing it... ubuntu... ubuntu....04:43
MasterYodaFC204:43
MasterYodabut yeah other than that ubuntu owns fedora...04:43
LinuxJonesMasterYoda, have you tried FC3 ?04:43
MasterYodaLinuxJones: no not really04:43
MasterYodaLinuxJones: never installed it, we have some customers using it though04:44
wm_eddieIt's not so much that it owns fedora as it's a different approach to a distro.  And I like it.04:44
LinuxJonesMasterYoda, it's getting fairly good review04:44
LinuxJonesMasterYoda, I jsut find it very bogged down on the desktop04:44
MasterYodaLinuxJones: yeah, im sure it is... only cause peeps like to compare it to redhat, which it owns04:44
MasterYodaLinuxJones: if you ask me (most people don't) apt is much better than yum and debian is much eaiser to maintain than fedora04:45
jdubFC3 is pretty rad.04:45
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LinuxJonesMasterYoda, I have always despised rpm's even if you can use apt or yum with them :D04:46
joolzMasterYoda: in my experience FC2 with apt (NOT yum) was good04:46
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wm_eddieI don't know U just isn't enough.04:46
rom1[help]  I'm stuck trying to install the new pwc module under ubuntu. Anyone has a clue?04:46
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wm_eddiemaybe Ubntu...04:47
LinuxJonesIt would be nice to have the redhat-config-tools ported to Debian/Ubuntu though :)04:47
Despair"Sit, Ubu, sit!"04:47
joolzwm_eddie: BNT :)04:47
MasterYodajoolz: I never switched to FC because being a debian user I did not feel the need...04:47
sid77cristian, great machine name ;)04:47
wm_eddiejoolz: you need at least one u in there.04:47
joolzMasterYoda: neither did I, it was the other way round :)04:48
rom1When I try to compile the module, it displays /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build: no such file or directory04:48
cristiansid77, thanks ;)04:48
MasterYodajoolz: so why do you use ubu then?04:48
joolzpartly curiosiry, partly because I run debian (stable) on servers and want some more uniformity and partly because FC was very big and very slow04:50
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wm_eddieMan I need to do a dist-upgrade on my server but I'm afraid.04:50
MasterYodajoolz: so do you like ubu better then FC?04:50
Unfunwm_eddie never be afraid?04:50
wm_eddiesince it's a UML server, and I can't mess too much with kernel...04:51
joolzMasterYoda: so far, yes. There are some glitches (no mplayer, rhythmbox not supporting wavs). A bit immature, but i like it04:51
eddmjg59: so S3 works nice with that kernel. is there anything i need to do specially to get swusp functioning?04:51
joolzand i feel confident that these glitches will be solved fast04:52
MasterYodajoolz: rhythmbox does not do wavs?  Guess I never tried to play any...04:52
MasterYodajoolz: maybe you don't have the right gstreamer plugin installed04:52
Elwoodhow was to put a package in hold?04:52
MasterYodajoolz: so why not debian then?04:52
wm_eddieThe only problems I'm having with ubuntu is firefox.04:52
mjg59edd: You need to add a resume line to your kernel command line options04:52
mjg59After that, just hitting the power button should suspend04:52
wm_eddieand no mplayer, but I don't use it too much (only where there's something totem can't play.)04:53
joolzMasterYoda: on the desktop i want new features more then stability04:53
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MasterYodajoolz: you ever tried debian unstable?04:53
wm_eddiejoolz: Then you want Debian unstable.04:53
MasterYodajoolz: it's not as unstable as it sounds...04:53
eddmjg59: ok, done that but no luck. i'll look harder..04:53
joolzMasterYoda: I know, but is it a better choice than BNT? :)04:54
wm_eddieMasterYoda: I actually add debian unstable to my apt repositry temporarily for some things (Like Alexandria)04:54
MasterYodajoolz: in fact as you know its where ubu came from, but I see where you are coming from though04:54
joolzMasterYoda: good. And I see where i'm going to... Home :-) (5 o clock here)04:55
joolzcu guys later04:55
Deviledcu..04:55
gwildor_joolz, lucky you, ive still got 6 hours04:55
wm_eddieI have two tests today!04:56
gwildor_yay04:56
wm_eddieWell one and a half.  CS tests are a joke.04:56
Deviledlol04:56
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wm_eddieI'm serious.  It's all pretty much, "play compiler"04:57
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Deviledgl then ;)04:58
wm_eddieI'll need it for the discrete math test...04:59
grubermanOh god I hate my router :/04:59
Deviledbut i'm happy to write math tomorrow :D04:59
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wm_eddieIf it wasn't for Ubuntu I'd be using Novell linux right now.05:01
rom1[help]  Anyone can tell me how to get the /build directory and contents in the /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/ dir ? thx!05:01
rom1I need to build a module05:01
gwildor_wm_eddie, how is that novell stuff?05:01
wm_eddieIt's pretty much ximian desktop.  on SuSe.05:02
fordsthanks all05:02
fordsit's not working, but i've got some direction now.  i'll be  back some day...05:02
eddmjg59: your kernel doesn't want to play well with vga16fb in the initrd (the 2.6.8.1 did) any ideas?05:02