[12:00] <JDahl> icu, are you using /usr/src/linux-xxx-headers or /usr/src/linux-xxx-source for header include files?
[12:00] <subterrific> gen: yes, or until ubuntu updates their packages
[12:00] <GnuHippy> I can't run any opengl stuff anymore with x.org and I have the latest nvidia driver installed
[12:00] <icu> JDahl: Whatever /lib/modules/2.6.8.1/build is linked to
[12:00] <gen> oh an by the way, i can only open 1.0 through the terminal script, is this normal?
[12:00] <lemsx1_> gen, not necessarily, if you are in a rush to use 1.0, you can simply put the stuff in /usr/local/firefox-1.0 and make a symlink /usr/local/firefox -> /usr/local/firefox-1.0
[12:00] <subterrific> gen: hyes
[12:00] <GnuHippy> main:rgstereo=0Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[12:00] <GnuHippy> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[12:00] <GnuHippy> Video mode set failed: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
[12:01] <gen> thanks guys
[12:01] <lemsx1_> gen, no, i have a .desktop that opens this for me just fine
[12:01] <jjh> unperson: I think if you were to delete the interface and then re-add it as a wireless device, then you could change those settings
[12:01] <gen> what command is used
[12:01] <lemsx1_> gen, i put the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications and it shows in Gnome's Appications->Internet menu
[12:01] <subterrific> GnuHippy: sounds like you aren't loading the nvidia drivers or something
[12:01] <GnuHippy> it is loaded
[12:01] <lemsx1_> gen, mv firefox /usr/local/firefox-1.0 && ln -s /usr/local/firefox-1.0 /usr/local/firefox
[12:02] <GnuHippy> I seen the splash screen when I booted up
[12:02] <subterrific> GnuHippy: is your xorg.conf file setup corrently?
[12:02] <lemsx1_> gen, ln -s /usr/local/firefox/firefox /usr/local/bin/firefox
[12:02] <GnuHippy> yes
[12:02] <GnuHippy> I added xcomposites though
[12:02] <subterrific> GnuHippy: it has glx in it?
[12:02] <bigt> question: can someone help me in networking linux with xp home? i created a share on my xp box but when i type smb://192.168.1.101 i can't access the box from linux
[12:02] <GnuHippy> yes
[12:02] <bigt> if there is a wiki on this or some other form could you please point me to it thanks
[12:02] <subterrific> did you upgrade to the newest nvidia drivers?
[12:02] <GnuHippy> yes
[12:02] <icu> JDahl: How do i go about setting it up to use the source?
[12:02] <GnuHippy> the latest ones on the site
[12:03] <x0563511> YAY
[12:03] <lemsx1_> gen, let me put the .desktop file in a place where you can get it
[12:03] <x0563511> i got multiverse to load
[12:03] <subterrific> then you need to use the AllowGLXWithComposite option or something like that
[12:03] <subterrific> gimmie a sec and i'll look it up
[12:03] <icu> Isn't the source we're provided unpatched and everything?
[12:03] <GnuHippy> ok thank you
[12:03] <britt_radiofree> so everyone's playing with xorg? :)
[12:03] <nimc> bigt, is it supposed to work in ubuntu without anything extra?
[12:03] <subterrific> GnuHippy:  Option      "RenderAccel" "true"
[12:03] <subterrific>     Option      "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
[12:03] <GnuHippy> thank you
[12:03] <subterrific> inside the nvidia Device section
[12:03] <subterrific> np
[12:03] <bigt> i'm not sure
[12:04] <lemsx1_> gen, http://www.latinomixed.com/media/firefox.desktop
[12:04] <GnuHippy> I already have RenderAccel
[12:04] <subterrific> k
[12:04] <britt_radiofree> subterrific, where'd you get xcompmgr?
[12:04] <bigt> never setup a network with linux before
[12:04] <subterrific> britt_radiofree: i don't have xcompmgr on ubuntu, but i use it on my gentoo box
[12:05] <skullbocks> night all
[12:05] <gen> lem i keep getting mv: when moving multiple files, last argument must be a directory
[12:05] <gen> Try `mv --help' for more information.
[12:05] <britt_radiofree> subterrific, so you're not actually using xcompmgr for fancy composite features in ubuntu yet?
[12:05] <subterrific> britt_radiofree: right, i use warty in ubuntu, which is still xfree
[12:05] <unperson> uman:  wireless-tools is installed already.
[12:06] <britt_radiofree> subterrific, ah, cool
[12:06] <cardador> britt_radiofree: i have it on ubuntu
[12:06] <britt_radiofree> cardador, did you just grab from cvs?
[12:06] <JDahl> icu - I will try it tonight, and let you know if it works..
[12:06] <lemsx1_> gen, where did you install firefox? firefox-installer ?
[12:06] <unperson> jjh, Yeah, my guess is that if I remove and re-add it in network settings that'd do it.  I was a bit afraid of messing something up, but I'll try it.  brb.
[12:06] <gen> was, then moved to home dir with the directory name firefox
[12:07] <lemsx1_> gen, if you did it like that, that's wrong :-)
[12:07] <lemsx1_> gen, ah ok, then use: sudo mv ~/firefox /usr/local/firefox-1.0
[12:07] <gen> mv: missing file argument
[12:07] <gen> Try `mv --help' for more information.
[12:07] <cardador> who was i talking with?
[12:07] <lemsx1_> gen, then you will need to make a symbolic link: sudo ln -s /usr/local/firefox-1.0 /usr/local/firefox ... the reason for this is that is simpler to upgrade later
[12:08] <lemsx1_> gen, can you paste here what command are you typing?
[12:08] <lemsx1_> gen, you should just copy/paste what i typed
[12:08] <icu> JDahl: I'm trying to apt-get source the kernel image see if that one's good
[12:09] <britt_radiofree> cardador, me
[12:09] <britt_radiofree> cardador, did you grab from cvs?
[12:09] <lemsx1_> gen, better yet, use the firefox-installer and when asked where to install it, just specify: /usr/local/firefox-1.0
[12:09] <cardador> britt_radiofree: add this to sources.list :) deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[12:09] <gen> lemsx1_: when i copied and pasted what you said, that worked, i must have typed it wrong
[12:09] <britt_radiofree> cardador, exactly what i was hoping! :)
[12:09] <gen> lemsx1_: when i tried that in the installer, said i didnt have permission
[12:09] <lemsx1_> gen, of course ;-)
[12:09] <cardador> britt_radiofree: it was provided by daniels, the guy that packaged xorg
[12:10] <lemsx1_> gen, you have to use sudo then (or add yourself to "staff": sudo adduser $USER staff)
[12:10] <lemsx1_> gen, then you will need to logout and log back in :-)...
[12:10] <gen> user being my login name
[12:11] <lemsx1_> gen, yes. and $USER does hold your username (same as $UID)
[12:11] <gen> oh so no need to type it
[12:11] <gen> k
[12:11] <lemsx1_> gen, but not the ID of course ;-)
[12:12] <Unfun> anyone get winbind to work on warty?
[12:12] <gen> ok
[12:12] <gen> so i need to relogin
[12:12] <lemsx1_> gen, if you add yourself to staff, yes
[12:12] <lemsx1_> gen, for now just use  sudo
[12:12] <jazzka> any visual tool or front-end for diff?
[12:12] <gen> ok
[12:13] <cardador> britt_radiofree: when you are done, try  xcompmgr -cCfF -r7 -o.65 -l-10 -t-8 -D7 &
[12:14] <gen> thanks for your help, linked an icon launcher to /usr/local/firefox-1.0/firefox and works fine now
[12:15] <lemsx1_> gen, the idea is that you should not have to modify the .desktop or your /usr/local/bin/firefox symlink whenever you upgrade again
[12:15] <Temet> hum, can someone tell me how I can modify de $PATH except un .bashrc .
[12:15] <Temet> ?
[12:15] <icu> How do I compile external modules for the standard ubuntu kernel?
[12:15] <lemsx1_> gen, or if you need to give it to somebody else, they don't need to change it
[12:15] <enabl> cardador: thats nice
[12:15] <lemsx1_> gen, but, it might launch the wrong version of firefox if you have the .deb package installed...
[12:15] <Temet> icu ... nvidia drivers ?
[12:15] <icu> Temet: ati drivers.
[12:16] <Temet> ousp
[12:16] <Temet> not for me icu
[12:16] <Temet> sorry
[12:16] <mjr> hmh, is linuxthreads used by default for the amd64 port instead of nptl?
[12:16] <GnuHippy> is anybody using xcompmgr?
[12:16] <icu> It's bitching about the source not being compatible
[12:16] <gen> lemsn1_ not sure i understand
[12:16] <cardador> GnuHippy: i am
[12:16] <GnuHippy> how did you get it compiled?
[12:17] <cardador> add this to sources.list :) deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[12:17] <GnuHippy> thanks
[12:17] <cardador> np
[12:17] <GnuHippy> is it stable?
[12:17] <IMSoP> Temet:  export PATH="$PATH:/some/extra/entry" ?
[12:17] <gen> lem, do you have aim
[12:17] <lemsx1_> gen, yep. same as my nick here (no underscores of course)
[12:18] <icu> How do I get a matching copy of the source with all the configs and everything for the running kernel?
[12:18] <cardador> GnuHippy: it crashed me once
[12:18] <gen> you aren't on?
[12:18] <GnuHippy> cool
[12:18] <GnuHippy> ill try it
[12:18] <pdaoust> hey, folks, just a quick question: is there any way to get Ubuntu to work with maildirs? I'm interested in using bogofilter, which I believe only works with maildirs, not mbox files.
[12:18] <IMSoP> icu:  I believe the config file is in /boot/ or somewhere
[12:19] <icu> so just copy that to the kernel source tree?
[12:19] <gen> lem, what is this .desktop for
[12:19] <pdaoust> icu: I don't know if there's a specific method for doing it, but you can find the current running kernel number by going:
[12:19] <pdaoust> cat /proc/sys/kernel
[12:19] <x0563511> you can do something similar
[12:19] <x0563511> that MIGHT let you get the current .config out
[12:19] <riffic> <3 hoary
[12:20] <icu> I know how to get that, I jsut need an identical copy of the source so that I can compile a module
[12:20] <gen> lemsx1_ what is this .desktop for
[12:20] <pdaoust> icu: what's the contents of your /proc/sys/kernel file?
[12:20] <IMSoP> icu:  well, if it's the same version of the source, the config should be all you need
[12:20] <icu> ok
[12:20] <IMSoP> unless, there's weird extra modules or something
[12:21] <lemsx1_> gen, .desktop is for GNOME/KDE to know what to launch... you can read about this from freedesktop.org
[12:21] <pdaoust> icu: have you installed the source package yet? It's under linux-source in the repository.
[12:21] <gen> where does it go lem
[12:21] <lemsx1_> gen, put the .desktop file wherever you want... the Desktop is a good place
[12:21] <icu> pdaoust: Isn't that just the vanilla source or is the patched source?
[12:21] <pdaoust> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[12:21] <pdaoust> icu: you know, I'm not quite sure ^_^
[12:21] <lemsx1_> gen, if you want other users of your computer to use firefox, you should copy it to /usr/share/applications/
[12:22] <pdaoust> icu: it's what I installed, assuming it was the Ubuntu kernel
[12:22] <gen> i'll be the only user
[12:22] <lemsx1_> gen, i'm always on all IMs
[12:22] <icu> i get the apt-get source of the kernel image package thinking that is the patched version
[12:22] <comfrey> hey all, are there ndiswrapper packages for the U?
[12:22] <lemsx1_> gen, in that case, then leave it in your desktop
[12:22] <gen> lemsx1, don't see on
[12:23] <comfrey> i am interested in getting the broadcom g wireless card working
[12:23] <smo> You shouldn't require the source to build a kernel .. just the linux-headers package to match your kernel  (apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`)
[12:23] <desp> audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[12:23] <desp> Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.
[12:23] <desp> any ideas why?
[12:23] <lemsx1_> gen, don't see your desktop?
[12:24] <desp> this happens when I try to play something in mplayer
[12:24] <gen> yes lem
[12:24] <gen> and made an empty file, named it firefox.desktop
[12:24] <comfrey> also i wonder if anyone has the wireless drivers up and running on the Al powerbooks
[12:24] <gen> and put that contents inside with gedit
[12:24] <gen> is this correct?
[12:24] <smo> desp: does "pidof esd"  return anything?  You most likely need to select esound as the audo output in mplayer's prefs
[12:24] <lemsx1_> smo, linux-heders- or kernel-headers ?
[12:24] <comfrey> i would switch to Ubuntu if there were wireless support
[12:25] <Zugwrack> Need some help..downloade the j2re<blah>.bin executable for linux...file shows it to be a Bourne shell text executable...but it don't execute
[12:25] <pdaoust> desp: you're running GNOME, which runs the Enlightened sound daemon, which keeps control of the soundcard at all times. You must have an onboard or bargain-counter sound card like me that doesn't accept multiple sounds at the same time.
[12:25] <gen> and it turned to the mozilla firefox link, with the correct icon, too
[12:25] <lemsx1_> gen, that's correct
[12:25] <jdub> comfrey: no linux distribution supports wireless on those.
[12:25] <smo> lemsx1: linux-headers ... kernel-image/source/headers are just there to provide a smooth upgrade from woody
[12:25] <desp> pdaoust: ahh, thanks
[12:25] <desp> smo: yup, it does
[12:25] <desp> smo: it returns 3273 -- a port number?
[12:25] <Zugwrack> I tried ./<filename> sudo ./<filename> <filename> none execute
[12:25] <gen> you're a big help lem
[12:25] <desp> er, doh, a PID.
[12:25] <desp> :D
[12:25] <desp> thx
[12:25] <lemsx1_> Zugwrack, chmod 0755 j2re*.bin
[12:25] <smo> desp: the process's ID .. it's just enough to show esd is running, so most likely using /dev/dsp
[12:25] <pdaoust> desp: you'll need to configure mplayer to use esd as its audio output... can you at least run the mplayer gui?
[12:26] <comfrey> jdub, that is what i was affraid of
[12:26] <Zugwrack> lemsxl_: Ok I'll try that...
[12:26] <Zugwrack> thanks
[12:26] <lemsx1_> Zugwrack, or sudo /bin/sh j2re....
[12:26] <lemsx1_> gen, no problem
[12:26] <mawa> hi
[12:26] <Zugwrack> lemsxl_: but shouldn't sh already be exported to $PATH?
[12:26] <gen> lemsx1_ still don't see you online haha, sure you don't have privacy set to bl only?
[12:26] <pdaoust> desp: it's been a while since I used mplayer (I fell in love with xine because it Just Worked for me), I don't remember where it is, but it's configurable from a menu somewhere (i.e., you don't have to go farting around in a config file)
[12:26] <desp> pdaoust: right, thanks
[12:26] <mawa> I don't seem to get my printer to work with Ubuntu... are there any standard tricks?
[12:27] <pdaoust> desp: no prob!
[12:27] <desp> although when I do mplayer -au help, I don't see esd in the list of available audio outputs
[12:27] <pdaoust> hmm
[12:27] <desp> perhaps it's not yet supported in 0.93?
[12:27] <pdaoust> oh, maybe not -- I used 1.0
[12:27] <desp> I know it's obsolete, but I can't compile the latest release for PPC/AltiVec -- there are bugs
[12:27] <Despair> Is xcompmgr packaged for amd64?
[12:27] <britt_radiofree> cardador, nice ... are window fades part of those params?
[12:27] <desp> I fixed two source files, but a hundred-line macro got me stumped
[12:27] <desp> it simply does not compile
[12:28] <gen> after i do the apt-get upgrade, dist-upgrade etc, how are the packages installed?
[12:28] <gen> after downloaded
[12:28] <pdaoust> desp: heh heh... you're obviously doing something above and beyond my level of knowledge ^_^ I believe that if you use alsa as an output, it won't conflict with esd
[12:28] <smo> desp: Did you have libesd0-dev installed when you built it?  It may not have compiled esound support if it couldn't find the required headers
[12:28] <IMSoP> Zugwrack:  if the file doesn't have an execute bit set, the #!/bin/sh line at the beginning will never have any effect
[12:28] <desp> pdaoust: thanks anyway, I just killed esd for now :D
[12:29] <desp> smo: ah, hm.
[12:29] <pdaoust> desp: hey, if it works, great!
[12:29] <gen> hey lem
[12:29] <x0563511> pdaoust, magic is nice, huh
[12:30] <pdaoust> heh heh
[12:30] <pdaoust> no doubt
[12:30] <x0563511> i love it when things just work
[12:30] <desp> smo: you're right, I didn't know I'd need that.
[12:30] <gen> after doing apt-get update, upgrade, dist-upgrade etc, for hoary packages, how are they installed after being received?
[12:30] <gen> anybody
[12:30] <x0563511> er
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> gen: what do you mean
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> it's all part of the same process
[12:30] <pdaoust> desp: I believe that, if you use alsa as an output, it will play nice with esd... if your card doesn't support hardware mixing, mplayer will take control of the sound card, but it'll give control back to esd when it's done. What platform are you using?
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> it downloads the packages
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> then installed them in a sensible order
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> the configures them
[12:30] <Zugwrack> IMSoP: I understand that...but the way it was put was a either or situation in my estimation...ergo my confusion ;-) thanks...
[12:31] <desp> can anyone tell me how to change the screen bitdepth in gnome?
[12:31] <mjr> desp, you don't
[12:31] <desp> pdaoust: I think I would need to have esd-alsa installed
[12:31] <gen> hrdwrbob: as in i edited sources.list to get hoary packages for the update, so i did those commands, but they only actually receive the files and not do anything with them correct?
[12:31] <x0563511> can we tell what depth is being used?
[12:31] <mjr> X doesn't have this capability
[12:31] <desp> ha
[12:31] <pdaoust> desp: ohhhh, you're using esd-oss?
[12:31] <HrdwrBoB> gen: no, upgrade will install new packages
[12:31] <desp> pdaoust: not by choice, that's what was installed for me with warty
[12:31] <x0563511> i know ive got 8, 16, and 24 in my x config
[12:32] <Zugwrack> How do I use dkpkg to check and see if sun java was installed?
[12:32] <x0563511> but can i tell whats being used?
[12:32] <HrdwrBoB> xdpyinfo
[12:32] <mjr> x0563511, xdpyinfo
[12:32] <HrdwrBoB> will tell you
[12:32] <desp> mjr: well...hm. I have garbled output with MPlayers xvidix driver
[12:32] <x0563511> command not found
[12:32] <pdaoust> desp: really?!? must be a difference between PPC and x86 -- ALSA works lovely for me.
[12:32] <desp> mjr: and I recognize it as a conflict with the screen bitdelth
[12:32] <desp> pdaoust: probably, yeah
[12:32] <x0563511> why is everything i need NOT installed by default?
[12:32] <x0563511> whois wasnt even installed!
[12:32] <mjr> desp, you need to much around with the config or pass the X server -bpp 16 (or somesuch)
[12:32] <desp> mjr: bitdepth
[12:32] <desp> aha, yucky
[12:33] <mjr> s/much/muck/
[12:33] <Zugwrack> pdaoust: I have yet to hear from anyone on how to correct the sound issue for PPC...xmms sounds like crud when streaming audio
[12:33] <IMSoP> Zugwrack: in case you're still uncleat, doing "/bin/sh ./filename" is technically executing "/bin/sh" with a parameter; just "./filename" is trying to execute the file "filename", which will fail if you don't have execute permissions for that file
[12:33] <x0563511> er, xpdyinfo isnt in synaptic, and its not installed. Ive got all the repositories installed...
[12:33] <pdaoust> Zugwrack: I wasn't aware of that; I thought Apples were supposed to 'Just Work' ;-)
[12:33] <HrdwrBoB> x0563511: xdpyinfo is installed by default
[12:33] <HrdwrBoB> it's not a package
[12:33] <x0563511> "command not found"
[12:34] <mjr> x0563511, you typoed it, then :
[12:34] <x0563511> DUR
[12:34] <pdaoust> so, folks... anyone ever heard of using maildirs in Ubuntu, or will I have to wait for a future release? (I've heard tell of Ubuntu using maildirs in Hoary, but I'm not sure if I'm right)
[12:34] <x0563511> i typed it wrong
[12:34] <HrdwrBoB> xbase-clients: /usr/X11R6/bin/xdpyinfo
[12:34] <mjr> ha ;)
[12:34] <x0563511> lol
[12:34] <Zugwrack> pdaoust: Well I suppose that is true...MDK 10.1 running ALSA had no sound problems...so I can only assume that it is something to do with Ubuntu..
[12:34] <HrdwrBoB> pdaoust: erm, what do you mean maildirs
[12:34] <HrdwrBoB> pdaoust: that's a server config issue
[12:34] <HrdwrBoB> and if you're setting up your own MTA
[12:35] <HrdwrBoB> you should be able to do that easily
[12:35] <RuffianSoldier> How do I configure X in debian?
[12:35] <pdaoust> HrdwrBoB: I came over from Gentoo, which I really liked for its package management system (but eventually got fed up with having to compile everything), and it used maildirs by default...
[12:35] <HrdwrBoB> pdaoust: for what
[12:35] <pdaoust> HrdwrBoB: Oh, I think I see what you're getting at...
[12:36] <unperson> jjh, You were right.  Removed my NIC entry in Network Settings and added it as a wireless card and all the options appeared.  I still wonder why it setup that way by default, though.
[12:36] <schifo> guys
[12:36] <umarmung> Does anyone here use totem-xine?
[12:36] <HrdwrBoB> RuffianSoldier: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:36] <schifo> im low on hdd space, how can i delete packaged i dont need, ie. openoffice ?
[12:36] <pdaoust> HrdwrBoB: to use as an alternative to /var/spool/mail or whatever Ubuntu uses by default
[12:36] <jjh> unperson: it did the same thing to me
[12:36] <Zugwrack> Is there a sun java package available for Ubuntu? My search finds nothing...I did the chmod and it let me execute it...but line 300 bombs out..
[12:36] <LifesizeKenDoll> Zugwrack: nope
[12:36] <LifesizeKenDoll> Zugwrack: you can make your own, though
[12:36] <pdaoust> HrdwrBoB: So this would be a postfix issue, right?
[12:36] <LifesizeKenDoll> umarmung: I do
[12:36] <HrdwrBoB> pdaoust: yep
[12:37] <LifesizeKenDoll> schifo: sudo apt-get remove openoffice
[12:37] <unperson> ok, gotta go
[12:37] <umarmung> LifesizeKenDoll, do you get sound when playing movies from quicktime.com ?
[12:37] <unperson> later
[12:37] <Zugwrack> LifesizeKenDoll: Wish I had the expertise....
[12:37] <LifesizeKenDoll> umarmung: you have to get the codec
[12:37] <schifo> lifesize, is there a sort of "add/remove programs" thing in ubuntu, i would like to remove things i dont need/use since im low on hdd space
[12:37] <umarmung> LifesizeKenDoll, i have w32codecs installed
[12:37] <HrdwrBoB> pdaoust: essentially running an MTA is not really a client side thing
[12:37] <Matt|> does anyone know how to get bash-completion working with man ***, apt-get install *** and other similar things?
[12:37] <Zugwrack> uma: Use synaptic....
[12:37] <umarmung> LifesizeKenDoll, i get video but no audio
[12:37] <LifesizeKenDoll> Zugwrack: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[12:38] <HrdwrBoB> and evolution is the mail client
[12:38] <vinic_> I just installed Ubuntu and was used with Mandrake KDE... I just can't figure out how to browse in same window instead of opening a new window... please help me, all those windows make me sick! :)
[12:38] <LifesizeKenDoll> umarmung: hrm, not sure I don't watch .mov files
[12:38] <Zugwrack> LifesizeKenDoll: Thank you..
[12:38] <HrdwrBoB> so postfix configuration is really up to the 'user'
[12:38] <HrdwrBoB> but there's no reason you can't change this
[12:38] <LifesizeKenDoll> vinic_: go to edit->preferences
[12:38] <pdaoust> HrdwrBoB: the setup I had in Gentoo, which I want to recreate, is this: fetchmail grabs messages from my POP3 server, delivers them to the MTA (i.e., postfix), which then deposits them in a folder called /home/paul/.maildir -- then I get my mail through Courier-IMAP (so I can access it from home and from other people's computers). Bogofilter, my fave spam filter, also works best with maildirs.
[12:38] <LifesizeKenDoll> vinic_: edit->preferences->Behavior->Always open in same window
[12:38] <HrdwrBoB> vinic_: Computer->Desktop Preferences-> File Manager
[12:39] <pdaoust> HrdwrBoB: when you say running an MTA is not a client-side thing, do you mean that it should be left up to my ISP (or network admin)?
[12:39] <bigt> question: how do you defrag in ubuntu? i used the synaptic to install defrag but i'm not sure how to run it any help would be great
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> vinic_: Behaviour
[12:39] <LifesizeKenDoll> bigt: there is no point to defrag
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> 'Always open in browser windows'
[12:39] <vinic_> OK, bad french translation there
[12:39] <pdaoust> bigt: are you trying to defrag a FAT32 partition?
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> pdaoust: yeah that's right
[12:39] <Matt|> bigt, you don't need to do that
[12:39] <vinic_> they forgot "same"
[12:39] <bigt> no i'm not
[12:39] <LifesizeKenDoll> bigt: ext2, ext3, reiserfs are not fragmented filesystems
[12:39] <bigt> just wondering why this thing is running so slow
[12:40] <bigt> ok wasn't sure its on reis..
[12:40] <HrdwrBoB> pdaoust: I'm not saying you can't, hell, go for it, but for most people running an MTA is entirely un-necessary
[12:40] <vinic_> thank you guys!
[12:40] <LifesizeKenDoll> bigt: default is ext3
[12:40] <pdaoust> bigt: reiserfs is wonderful in that it never needs defragging; it's built for speed
[12:40] <LifesizeKenDoll> vinic_: you're welcome
[12:40] <schifo> guys, i have 2 partitions on my hdd, 1 for windows, and 1 for linux, is there any way to make my linux partition larger, now that linux and windows are installed? im low in disk space on my linux partition
[12:40] <HrdwrBoB> vinic_: glad to help "D
[12:40] <HrdwrBoB> :D
[12:40] <bigt> ok cause i formated in reis... when i installed
[12:40] <mjr> schifo, ntfs or fat on windows?
[12:40] <vinic_> glad to be helped! :D
[12:40] <pdaoust> HrdwrBoB: are 'postfix/sendmail' and 'MTA' not perfectly synonymous then?
[12:40] <schifo> ntfs sir
[12:41] <bigt> question though i have yet ot figure the networking part out
[12:41] <LifesizeKenDoll> pdaoust: exim4 can be MTA
[12:41] <HrdwrBoB> pdaoust: postfix and sendmail are two MTAs
[12:41] <bigt> do you have to install samba to get it to work?
[12:41] <x0563511> how can i configure a samba server, btw?
[12:41] <LifesizeKenDoll> bigt: should work already
[12:41] <mjr> schifo, there's pretty much no free tools for ntfs resizing, you'd have to go with partition magic or something
[12:41] <IMSoP> does anyone know *how* filesystems avoid the need for defragging? I've always wondered...
[12:41] <LifesizeKenDoll> bigt: for client
[12:41] <HrdwrBoB> MTA is Mail Transfer Agent
[12:41] <vinic_> waoh, Ubuntu is kind of "closed" compared to Mandrake
[12:41] <theantix> mjr: you are dead wrong
[12:41] <LifesizeKenDoll> vinic_: how so?
[12:41] <vinic_> configurations
[12:41] <HrdwrBoB> vinic_: closed?
[12:41] <pdaoust> schifo: the safest route is to use a closed-source tool like Partition Magic; I don't know if fips (a Partition Magic type program) is 100% safe.
[12:41] <bigt> well i have a xp box setup with networking and i know it works cause i can put it to another xp box and it detects the shares fine
[12:41] <HrdwrBoB> oh
[12:42] <vinic_> see?
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> vinic_: yeah that's a KDE thing
[12:42] <x0563511> anyone? ive got a samba server installed, how do i open up the configurations?
[12:42] <bigt> but for some reason the smb://192.168.1.101 doesn't show it
[12:42] <vinic_> yep
[12:42] <pdaoust> schifo: (of course, no partition resizer is 100% safe)
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> KDE include about 3423482348 options
[12:42] <LifesizeKenDoll> x0563511: sudo apt-get install samba
[12:42] <vinic_> lol
[12:42] <theantix> schifo: anything with qtparted on it can safely resize ntfs
[12:42] <schifo> mjr, if i run partition magic in windows, will it see my linux parition (ext3), and will i have any problems booting into linux after i resized that ext3 partition do you think
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> GNOME is somewhat more.. streamlined
[12:42] <x0563511> samba and smbfs is installed already
[12:42] <mjr> schifo, no idea on that
[12:42] <vinic_> Hope it will be more stable then
[12:42] <mjr> schifo, have a bootdisk handy ;)
[12:42] <Matt|> schifo, yeah that will bugger it up
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> schifo: if you are using grub (which is the dfault) no.
[12:42] <bigt> ok then can someone help me to get it to detect please?
[12:42] <theantix> schifo: try the system rescue cd, sysresccd.org
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> Matt|: why
[12:42] <IMSoP> x0563511:  dpkg-reconfigure samba
[12:43] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, last time i resized a linux partition using partition magic it became unreadable
[12:43] <x0563511> IMSoP, i mean how do i choose shares, set user passwords for it, ect.
[12:43] <HrdwrBoB> Matt|: ouch
[12:43] <HrdwrBoB> schifo: better idea
[12:43] <HrdwrBoB> schifo: download LNX BBC
[12:43] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, np you expect these things
[12:43] <schifo> k
[12:43] <pdaoust> LifesizeKenDoll and HrdwrBoB: I knew that postfix and sendmail were only two of the many MTAs, but I'm wondering.... OH! I get it: I'm thinking of mda, which postfix can also function as, right? I want to use it as an MDA, not an MTA (anyway, SpamAsasssin often filters out messages sent from home computers, I guess because it thinks they're zombie relays)
[12:43] <HrdwrBoB> and use parted to resize it
[12:43] <LifesizeKenDoll> x0563511: sudo apt-get install swat
[12:43] <vinic_> Second thing: How to create a ROOT account? ... or : What's the initial root password?
[12:43] <mjr> ahh, qtparted uses ntfsresize; ok, I was wrong
[12:43] <Matt|> does anyone know how to get bash-completion working with man ***, apt-get install *** and other similar things?
[12:43] <x0563511> LifesizeKenDoll, ty
[12:44] <mjr> schifo, see http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/status.html#ntfstools for a free tool
[12:44] <HrdwrBoB> pdaoust: I imagine you're using fetchmail?
[12:44] <Matt|> vinic_, have a browse of the FAQ, listed in the topic
[12:44] <HrdwrBoB> and mutt?
[12:44] <mjr> dunno if it's any safe, but anyway ;)
[12:44] <IMSoP> x0563511:  sudo vi /etc/samba/smb.conf
[12:44] <HrdwrBoB> pdaoust: I just use evolution, it has built in spamassassin support :)
[12:44] <vinic_> online ? on Ubuntu website?
[12:44] <x0563511> IMSoP, i was hoping to do it graphically. Someone just mentioned swat for me
[12:44] <pdaoust> HrdwrBoB: yes, I'm using fetchmail, procmail, postfix, and bogofilter
[12:44] <x0563511> IMSoP, ty though
[12:44] <nimc> bigt, r u still here? i tried smb:// with my windows xp on another computer, ubuntu without anything extra here, and it worked great
[12:45] <HrdwrBoB> pdaoust: ahh yep
[12:45] <Matt|> vinic_, yes: the address is listed in the topic: under FAQ (frequently asked questions): it has loads of useful information
[12:45] <pdaoust> HrdwrBoB: I never could get SpamAssassin to work the way I wanted it to.
[12:45] <bigt> hmm i'm still here
[12:45] <vinic_> ty
[12:45] <Matt|> np
[12:45] <nimc> ok..
[12:45] <bigt> well i have xp setup for 192.168.1.101 255.255.255.0 and no gateway
[12:45] <pdaoust> my head is spinning; this conversation is going by too fast....
[12:45] <x0563511> CHAOS
[12:45] <pdaoust> I'm not used to chat rooms...
[12:45] <bigt> and then the linux box is 192.168.1.100
[12:45] <pdaoust> no kidding
[12:45] <volvoguy> I've been trying to configure Samba for two days and it's still not working for me - so don't feel bad.
[12:46] <IMSoP> "#I'm so DIZZY my head is spinning...#"
[12:46] <HrdwrBoB> pdaoust: this is pretty fast and big as far as IRC channels go :)
[12:46] <bigt> and i went computer/network then typed in the location of 192.168.1.101 and it can't connect
[12:46] <HrdwrBoB> pdaoust: if you sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[12:46] <HrdwrBoB> Password:
[12:46] <pdaoust> HrdwrBoB: no kidding
[12:46] <x0563511> ok, how do i use SWAT?
[12:46] <nimc> bigt, the ip that i have on the other computer is not local, it's assigned by the isp i think (using cable modem with one ethernet and one usb connection for each computer)
[12:46] <pdaoust> HrdwrBoB: Before I use that command, I just want to know -- what will it do for me?
[12:46] <StevenIT> hi! I just burn cdLive on cdrw: it boots but it hangs just before GDM. any idea?
[12:47] <nimc> so my ip looks like 80.230.129. etc
[12:47] <bigt> oh i was using direct connect
[12:47] <IMSoP> geez, I wish there was something better than SMB/samba for simple filesharing
[12:47] <bigt> with a crossover
[12:47] <nimc> ahh
[12:47] <x0563511> IMSoP, well, it IS remarkably like MS File/Print sharing....
[12:47] <nimc> IMSoP, why?? samba seems to work great when i just tried it now
[12:47] <pdaoust> IMSoP: yeah, it feels kinda dirty to use something that's so intimately connected with Windows... but rest assured that it wasn't originally their idea
[12:48] <bigt> it don't work for me
[12:48] <bigt> so don't ask me ;)
[12:48] <pdaoust> HrdwrBoB: what does 'dpkg-reconfigure postfix' do?
[12:48] <nimc> ahh you mean something better to use for sharing that doesnt involve windows?
[12:48] <IMSoP> nimc:  it's just so... hacky and weird. the way all the authentication works (or doesn't), and debugging anything not working is basically impossible
[12:49] <pdaoust> HrdwrBoB: oh, why didn't I just read the man page ^_^
[12:49] <volvoguy> IMSoP - it's about three clicks and a few words to get samba working in SuSE, but i've been hacking away at it forever and i can't get it to work in Ubuntu
[12:49] <bigt> nimc do you have yours setup with a crossover ca ble?
[12:49] <bigt> i can ping the other computer just fine
[12:49] <bigt> so its connected
[12:49] <IMSoP> volvoguy:  just getting a single share to work between two windows boxes is hard enough!
[12:49] <bigt> but i can't share jack
[12:49] <cardador> volvoguy: i have it working flawlessly. whats exactly the problem?
[12:49] <nimc> well, it worked great here, read/write, and fast, and nice browsing in nautilus
[12:49] <HrdwrBoB> pdaoust: heh
[12:49] <StevenIT> anybody helps me?
[12:49] <HrdwrBoB> pdaoust: I'm not sure if it wll configure maildirs
[12:50] <nimc> IMSoP, ok..... perhaps i was lucky:)
[12:50] <HrdwrBoB> pdaoust: I can't run it because I'm kinda using postfix on this box :)
[12:50] <x0563511> how do i use SWAT?
[12:50] <pdaoust> pdaoust: no prob.
[12:50] <pdaoust> HrdwrBoB: no prob.
[12:50] <pdaoust> :P
[12:50] <x0563511> how do i use SWAT??
[12:50] <volvoguy> cardador: not sure. installed ubuntu and samba on the server, added my share to smb.conf, restarted smbd and i still can't connect (multiply that by about 1000 times)
[12:51] <nimc> bigt, no crossover... both computers connected to the internet using my cable modem which has two connections, one usb, one ethernet
[12:51] <vinic_> ok! all figured out! thanx guys! catch you later
[12:51] <nimc> i once did crossover between 2 winxp computers without internet, that worked well too
[12:51] <bigt> oh ok
[12:51] <pdaoust> HrdwrBoB: don't know yet... I'm just at the part where it's configuring the MTA part
[12:52] <bigt> well ok i'm hearing worked i guess i need to hear how :)
[12:52] <bigt> cause its not working over here :(
[12:52] <nimc> how do i use samba to try to share a folder in ubuntu, so that the winxp computer can see it?
[12:53] <cardador> volvoguy: i can show you my smb.conf
[12:53] <bigt> yep thts my question :)
[12:53] <x0563511> please help someone, how do i use swat
[12:53] <nimc> so far i just shared a folder in winxp, with read/write permission, that worked good
[12:53] <cardador> volvoguy: its working very well on a windows network at my work
[12:53] <StevenIT> why does ubuntu Live hang before GDM ?
[12:53] <nimc> but how to share in ubuntu?
[12:53] <cardador> x0563511: on firefox write localhost:901
[12:53] <volvoguy> cardador: that'd be a good start! :-) how do you want to send it to me?
[12:54] <x0563511> cardador, connection refused. portscanner doesnt show 901 open
[12:54] <cardador> volvoguy: wait a moment...
[12:54] <bigt> so you have winxp shared documents with the share enabled
[12:54] <x0563511> cardador, either
[12:54] <bigt> and you can access thru linux?
[12:54] <cardador> x0563511: you have to edit /etc/inetd.conf and uncomment the swat line
[12:54] <goff> i need some help setting up a vnc server on my computer
[12:54] <x0563511> cardador, i just installed SWAT with synaptic. do i need to restart or anything?
[12:55] <nimc> bigt, yes, i picked a folder to share in winxp, and it works fine in ubuntu when i use smb://
[12:55] <cardador> x0563511: then, sudo /etc/init.d/inetd restart
[12:55] <nimc> bigt, do u know how to try it the other way around? so i'll see if that works too?
[12:55] <bigt> do you specify the ip though?
[12:55] <nimc> bigt, yes, i specify the ip....
[12:55] <bigt> with smb://
[12:55] <x0563511> cardador, ok. Netbios-ssn is also disabled... should i enable this too?
[12:55] <Matt|> hey ubuntu have started paid support?
[12:56] <bigt> you type smb://<ip>?
[12:56] <nimc> bigt, yes, smb://230.80.....
[12:56] <volvoguy> cardador: oh, here's one more snag. i can connect to the share on the server if i use gnome's "connect to server" dialog, but i can't mount it on the command line or w/fstab
[12:56] <bigt> damn
[12:56] <bigt> its not working
[12:56] <bigt> but like i say both ping each other
[12:56] <x0563511> cardador, er... line starts as #<off># swat
[12:56] <bigt> how did you setup your windows share?
[12:56] <x0563511> cardador, what should it start as?
[12:57] <cardador> x0563511: swat
[12:57] <x0563511> cardador, so just get rid of the whole #<off>#
[12:57] <nimc> hmm in folder properties / sharing / share and allow other users to change files
[12:57] <cardador> x0563511: yes
[12:57] <nimc> bigt, so u know how to try to share a folder in ubuntu ?
[12:57] <bigt> thats how i did it just makeing sure
[12:57] <bigt> no haven't a clue
[12:58] <x0563511> cardador, i forgot what netbios-ssn was... is that only needed on a netbios network?
[12:58] <bigt> 2nd day on linux
[12:58] <bigt> but trying to learn
[12:58] <nimc> ok... anyone else knows?
[12:58] <volvoguy> i'll throw out the issue i really came in here for though. i'm using hoary and i just smart-upgraded, but i don't seem to have X.org.
[12:58] <cardador> volvoguy: pm
[12:59] <volvoguy> cardador: i'm there.
[12:59] <trans_err> anyone having font render issues with xorg? All my fonts look a bit tall and fuzzy- any ideas?
[01:00] <trans_err> hmm- actually it's just the defalult gnome font- is it supposed to be sans?
[01:00] <x0563511> cardador, "* Restarting internet superserver...                                    [fail] "
[01:01] <trans_err> freesans is a bit better but it still looks off
[01:01] <x0563511> cardador, i stopped it, then started it. Both operations got [OK] 
[01:01] <cardador> x0563511: and then?
[01:01] <x0563511> cardador, and 901 is up. Am i done? Just go to 127.0.0.1:901 in firefox, right?
[01:02] <cardador> x0563511: just write localhost:901
[01:02] <bigt> aww
[01:02] <bigt> ok yeah it works i had one two many //s
[01:02] <x0563511> cardador, same thing... ok, it wants username/pass...
[01:02] <cardador> volvoguy: check if you have any upgradable package
[01:02] <x0563511> cardador, is this root it wants?
[01:02] <cardador> x0563511: yap
[01:03] <x0563511> cardador, root has no PW, its disabled. Will it take mine?
[01:03] <neighborlee> hi...anyone by chance have a multi-function printer working in linux ?
[01:03] <bigt> but yeah it would be cool to figure out how to share the other way around
[01:03] <cardador> x0563511: enable root user, it is explained in ubuntu faq i think
[01:03] <x0563511> cardador, ok, just wondering if i had to
[01:03] <x0563511> cardador, ok, its up
[01:03] <x0563511> ty
[01:03] <volvoguy> cardador:  i had a package like "x-server-core" or something like that that was marked as do not upgrade.
[01:04] <tvon> Does using xcompmgr/composite actually do anything at this point in hoary?
[01:04] <cardador> volvoguy: you have to upgrade it
[01:04] <cardador> tvon: at the moment i have shadows, fade in & out, etc
[01:05] <volvoguy> cardador: ok. synaptic isn't showing it anymore. i'll see if apt-get or aptitude show it as available.
[01:06] <tvon> cardador: oh?  enable composite in xorg and run xcompmgr?
[01:06] <cardador> tvon: yap
[01:06] <x0563511> cardador, can i remove the "home directories" share safely? Or will that bork something?
[01:07] <tvon> hrm
[01:07] <cardador> x0563511: dont know,  just try.
[01:07] <cardador> x0563511: after changing the settings, you need to restart samba
[01:07] <tvon> cardador: using gnome/metacity perchance?
[01:09] <cardador> anyone interested on having xcompmgr, should add this to sources.list: http://81.84.235.109/smb.conf
[01:09] <cardador> ups
[01:09] <cardador> anyone interested on having xcompmgr, should add this to sources.list: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[01:09] <tvon> cardador: yeah, using that
[01:09] <tvon> ah, there we go
[01:11] <tvon> works better than when I last tried
[01:13] <kensai> is ubuntu created with metadistros?
[01:13] <tvon> It's 80% water
[01:13] <jose__> x crashed :\ guess xcompmgr is still not usable
[01:13] <jdub> kensai: no
[01:14] <kensai> jdub: thanks a friend of mine told me that so I didn't knew how to answer
[01:14] <grendel> hello to everyone
[01:14] <grendel> does anyone know if ubuntu's gnome packages work for debian unstable ?
[01:15] <jdub> grendel: mixing repositories is not recommended
[01:15] <jdub> grendel: you may as well just use experimental's gnome
[01:15] <gen> hey guys, each time i open azureus, i HAVE to type "export PATH=/usr/local/j2sdk1.4.2/bin:$PATH" before i do "./azureus" to open it, is there an easier way to get around this
[01:16] <Pizbit> gen: Look to add it in .bashrc or .bash_profile (probably the former)
[01:16] <gen> not familiar pizbit
[01:16] <cardador> gen: edit the azureus script and change the java home to where you installed java
[01:16] <volvoguy> cardador: that got me a lot closer. thanks! when mounted, the root of the share is still owned by root
[01:17] <Pizbit> gen: Just put it at the end of .bashrc if you're not familar
[01:17] <grendel> jdub, I did that, those packages broke everything in my installation. I spent a whole day figuring out how to remove them.
[01:17] <gen> whats .bashrc?
[01:18] <cardador> tvon: xcompmgr -cCfF -r7 -o.65 -l-10 -t-8 -D7 & :)
[01:18] <srbaker> hey.
[01:18] <Chibi> Oooh! That reminds me.
[01:18] <srbaker> having some trouble with sound
[01:18] <tvon> cardador: ah, nice
[01:18] <srbaker> snd-ymfpci module on a tecra 8100
[01:18] <srbaker> all i get is static
[01:18] <volvoguy> so was the xserver-xorg package supposed to be pulled in during my hoary smart-upgrade today?
[01:18] <gen> what/where is .bashrc
[01:18] <gen> I'm an idiot :)
[01:18] <Pizbit> gen: It's a file in your home directory
[01:19] <cardador> tvon: saw it in some gentoo howto
[01:19] <Pizbit> . makes it hidden
[01:19] <jdub> grendel: in which case, i wouldn't recommend installing packages from an entirely different distribution release...
[01:19] <gen> pizbit: thank you very much
[01:19] <gen> worked
[01:20] <grendel> jdub, yep.. I do realize that.
[01:21] <tvon> cardador: its not bad, the window fade-in is a little slow on my laptop though
[01:22] <gen> quick question, how do i force quit an application if the window does not pop up to do so
[01:22] <jdub> grendel: then no need to ask ;)
[01:22] <jdub> gen: there's a little force quit icon you can add to your panel
[01:22] <gen> ah i see jdub, thanks
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> cardador: so pretty, and so slow :)
[01:23] <jin> hello
[01:24] <grendel> jdub, I just wanted to know how compatible the two distros where... but as you said, two complete diferent distros, I won't even risk it.. hehehe :D I'll stick to gnome 2.6 for the moment.
[01:24] <tvon> brb
[01:24] <jin> anyone? how to mount the ntfs partition in ubuntu?
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> jin: mount -t ntfs /dev/hdxx /mnt/location
[01:25] <cardador> HrdwrBoB: eheh
[01:25] <jin> hmmm
[01:26] <Zugwrack> LifesizeKenDoll: I can't seem to find the make-jpkg deb file to be able and get java 1.4 installed..which repository would I find this package in?
[01:26] <LifesizeKenDoll> Zugwrack: don't quite know
[01:26] <volvoguy> i figgered it out. i'm going to goof around with x.org stuff. see y'all later. :-)
[01:27] <LifesizeKenDoll> volvoguy: cya, xorg is fun
[01:27] <Zugwrack> LifesizeKenDoll: Ok thanks..just trying to follow your suggestion(s) ;-)
[01:28] <housetier> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/java-package
[01:28] <housetier> those *might* help
[01:28] <Zugwrack> Would someone be so kind as to explain .deb packages that say they are a "dummy" file? Sorry I come from a RPM based distro..but Ubuntu works on PPC
[01:28] <Temet> LifesizeKenDoll , are you using warty or hoarty ?
[01:32] <jdub> Zugwrack: they just provide dependencies
[01:32] <jdub> generally nothing useful of their own
[01:34] <Zugwrack> jdub: Ok so might you be able to help me figure out where to get make-jpkg? synaptic doesn't find it...I don't know for sure if I can use .deb files for "debian" linux..to compound the issue I am running PPC
[01:35] <jdub> Zugwrack: make-kpkg? -> kernel-package
[01:36] <nevyn> jdub: java-package
[01:36] <Zugwrack> jdub: no this is a explanaton on how to make Sun java into a .deb file...that is the command... on wiki
[01:36] <jdub> Zugwrack: afaik, it's in a separate repository
[01:36] <Zugwrack> nevyn: Synaptic doesn't know that package either
[01:37] <nevyn> jdub: is it in universe?
[01:37] <nevyn> it's in debian unstable..
[01:37] <jdub> might be in multiverse
[01:37] <nevyn> Zugwrack: make-jpkg isn't there either
[01:37] <housetier> java-package might
[01:37] <jdub> Filename: pool/multiverse/j/java-package/java-package_0.14_all.deb
[01:37] <jdub> (that's hoary, though)
[01:38] <Zugwrack> Dunno..guys..just reading the wiki how to do it..I am using Warty
[01:38] <Zugwrack> It does mention java-package though..
[01:38] <Zugwrack> I just can't find it..heh
[01:38] <housetier> the package for unstable needs tweaking to install java 1.5 (non-beta)
[01:38] <jdub> yes, it's also in multiverse on warty
[01:38] <Zugwrack> I just need 1.4
[01:38] <nevyn> housetier: url to the tweaks?
[01:39] <Zugwrack> Is there a wiki on how to add multiverse to Synaptic package manager?
[01:39] <x0563511> Zugwrack
[01:39] <x0563511> i can help, PM me
[01:39] <jdub> Zugwrack: just go into the repository editor and uncomment stuff :)
[01:39] <housetier> nevyn I could send you the changed script (make-jpkg calls it plugin)
[01:39] <x0563511> that works too, nevermind
[01:40] <housetier> I haven't bothered to diff it yet
[01:40] <Zugwrack> Sorry this if this is too n00b for ya..but where is the repository editor?
[01:41] <jdub> settings > repositories
[01:44] <Zugwrack> jdub: There isn't an entry for that bro
[01:44] <jdub> Zugwrack: add it to the end of the existing ones
[01:45] <Zugwrack> jdub: That is my point...where do I lookup the URL to add?
[01:45] <LifesizeKenDoll> for multiverse?
[01:45] <x0563511> Zugwrak ill get tehm
[01:45] <Zugwrack> Yes..thanks
[01:45] <jdub> Zugwrack: on the lines that have 'warty main universe'
[01:45] <jdub> Zugwrack: add multiverse
[01:45] <x0563511> multiverse URL is http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[01:46] <x0563511> distro stable
[01:46] <x0563511> section main
[01:46] <cardador> distro warty
[01:46] <x0563511> er, actually the URL is ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat
[01:46] <jdub> no it's not
[01:46] <jdub> yeesh, dude
[01:46] <x0563511> i just used that though!
[01:47] <x0563511> i got w32codecs from it
[01:47] <jdub> that's not 'ubuntu multiverse'
[01:47] <x0563511> thats what the ubuntu restrictedformats page said
[01:48] <nevyn> dude.
[01:48] <nevyn> see how it doesn't have ubuntu in the url?
[01:48] <x0563511> i know
[01:48] <nevyn> that means it's not an ubuntu source
[01:48] <x0563511> but the page on the ubuntu website gave me that
[01:49] <x0563511> hrm, maybe ill go change my repository, just to avoid headaches later...
[01:49] <nevyn> but it's nothing to do with ubuntu it's just some crazy french guy that distributes (useful but patented) stuff
[01:50] <Zugwrack> Ok so now just search java-package?
[01:50] <x0563511> ... whats the URL, distro, and section of the ubuntu multiverse?
[01:51] <cardador> x0563511: just add multiverse after main restricted and universe
[01:51] <x0563511> k
[01:51] <outcast_gr> hi, anyone knows how to change the default sound device? I got both AC97 + SB Live, but ubuntu uses AC97 (I want SB live)
[01:51] <cardador> x0563511: on the same line
[01:51] <x0563511> er, im using the synaptic GUI
[01:51] <cardador> x0563511: exactly, go to settings, repositories
[01:51] <x0563511> ok
[01:52] <x0563511> all those things are on seperate lines
[01:52] <cardador> you could have only one, having this on "section": main restricted universe multiverse
[01:52] <x0563511> oooh
[01:52] <x0563511> i see it
[01:52] <boodle> Greetings, I'm interested in Ubuntu and am currently using Debian-sid feed. Is there a migration path from Debian or do I really need to do a fresh install?
[01:53] <billytwowilly> anyone upgrade to xorg? problems?
[01:53] <jdub> boodle: migrating is not hugely optimal. doing a fresh install is recommended.
[01:54] <boodle> jdub, ok tks
[01:54] <x0563511> what!
[01:54] <x0563511> smart upgrade wants to remove SWAT
[01:54] <x0563511> but not replace it
[01:54] <cardador> billytwowilly: i had problems with xcompmgr
[01:55] <cardador> billytwowilly: but without it, im fine
[01:55] <binary_10> anyone got composite to work with xorg?
[01:55] <wasabi> yup.
[01:56] <binary_10> how did you do it?
[01:56] <binary_10> I added the line to xorg.conf
[01:56] <hsidhu> if i update grub menu.lst do i need to run grub-install again?
[01:56] <wasabi> enabled hte composite extension, compile xcompmgr, run it.
[01:56] <Despair> transset is mildly amusing as well.
[01:56] <outcast_gr> anyone knows how to change the default sound device? I got both AC97 + SB Live, but ubuntu uses AC97 (I want SB live). Both cards are recognised
[01:56] <cardador> wasabi: there is a compiled xcompmgr
[01:57] <wasabi> where at?
[01:57] <binary_10> where do you get xompmgr.. doesnt seem to be installed
[01:57] <x0563511> why does synaptic want swat to uninstall? i cant unmark it
[01:57] <Zugwrack> jdub,x0563511: Many thanks..finally got java-package...
[01:57] <wasabi> I enjoy compiling it though. ;)
[01:57] <kapputu> hi [Phaedrus] 
[01:57] <Zugwrack> Now back to wiki..heh
[01:57] <cardador> wasabi: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[01:57] <[Phaedrus] > hi kapputu
[01:57] <x0563511> is there something wrong with swat?
[01:57] <kapputu> hey sorry man
[01:58] <kapputu> forgot to send you the CD
[01:58] <andril> hello all again
[01:58] <[Phaedrus] > its okay. whenever you get to it
[01:58] <kapputu> probably tomm
[01:58] <andril> anyone have issues with installing Firefox 1.0 ????
[01:58] <kapputu> or do you want to wait for the pressed CDs ?
[01:58] <[Phaedrus] > sounds good
[01:58] <kapputu> I'm getting 10 of 'em
[01:59] <andril> I ordered 35 of 'em
[01:59] <kapputu> I want to encourage people to use it
[01:59] <[Phaedrus] > depends how long its going to be.... i guess if they started shipping, i can wait for mine to arrive
[02:00] <andril> I want to start a Ubuntu Street Team
[02:00] <kapputu> it's been three weeks since I installed Ubuntu and I haven't gone back to Windows
[02:00] <kapputu> [Phaedrus] , never mind, I'll send you a copy
[02:00] <[Phaedrus] > thanks kapputu
[02:00] <x0563511> i ordered 2.
[02:01] <kapputu> no probs
[02:01] <andril> kapputu: do you o any serving (FTP,HTTP or SMTP)?
[02:01] <kapputu> no
[02:01] <kapputu> something wrong with my router
[02:01] <x0563511> only because this is Maine, and hardly anyone can use windows, let alone learn linux
[02:01] <kapputu> port 22 is open and it's set to do port forwarding, but doesn't work
[02:01] <kapputu> i mean 21
[02:01] <x0563511> can i force synaptic to ignore a dependancy?
[02:02] <x0563511> its mad because swat wants an older samba than whats installed
[02:02] <smo> I believe you need to use dpkg itself for that .. "dpkg --force-help" will show you how you can create ugly messes
[02:03] <x0563511> reading that
[02:03] <andril> has anyone tried to install Firefox 1.0????
[02:03] <smo> (and I do mean ugly messes .. dependancies usually exist for good reasons)
[02:05] <x0563511> smo, swat needs "samba", and is complaining that "samba-ubuntuXXXXXXX-whatever" is installed
[02:05] <kapputu> try dpkg --force-remove
[02:05] <x0563511> smo, actually, its mad because it wants samba, but samba-ubuntu is in its place
[02:06] <x0563511> er...
[02:06] <x0563511> where can i get the package file itself?
[02:09] <smo> hmm I thought apt-get -d would do that, but it still wants to resolve dependencies first.  the filename/path should be in "apt-cache show swat | grep Filename" if you want to grab it yourself
[02:10] <x0563511> ty, found it
[02:12] <Mojo_Jojo> Hey, what was that option I can put in to xorg it was something like "RenderAccel"  "true"
[02:12] <x0563511> er, quastion
[02:12] <x0563511> theres a swat for 3.0.7-1ubuntu6 and 3.0.7-1ubuntu7
[02:12] <x0563511> which one should i grab?
[02:13] <labanux> i guess the default type of "home" (icon to launch file browser) is open every folder in new window...
[02:13] <labanux> can we make change to this..?
[02:13] <x0563511> nevermind
[02:13] <labanux> so i can open every folder still in it's windows
[02:13] <x0563511> theres a SWAT for my samba version, exactly
[02:14] <x0563511> but apt is being retarded
[02:14] <labanux> it's really difficult for me to using that file browser
[02:14] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo: Option "RenderAccel" "1"
[02:14] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo: I think
[02:14] <Chibi> True
[02:14] <Chibi> not 1 :o
[02:14] <smo> labanux: In nautilus's preferences there's an option labelled "Always open in browser windows".  That should acheive what you're looking for
[02:14] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo: or "On" instead of "1"
[02:14] <cardador> LifesizeKenDoll: i think its "True"
[02:14] <Chibi> True!! >O
[02:14] <LifesizeKenDoll> cardador: could be that
[02:15] <labanux> smo:so how can i make the change?
[02:15] <Chibi> http://grebowiec.net/archives/2004/09/xorg_68_final_x.html
[02:15] <Mojo_Jojo> ok thanks I put in True
[02:16] <smo> labanux: open a folder, go to Edit->Preferences .. on the Behaviour tab you'll find that option .. tick it, and you're done
[02:16] <x0563511> ok, i got it working
[02:16] <x0563511> thanks smo
[02:17] <x0563511> there was a swat version for my samba version, but APT wouldnt use it
[02:17] <x0563511> (samba-3.0.7-1ubuntu6.1, and a swat package named swat-3.0.7-1ubuntu6.1)
[02:17] <smo> I believe there's a way to give apt hints as to which version you want .. I just don't know the apropriate voodoo
[02:17] <labanux> smo: oh yeah..., thanx a lot smo...
[02:18] <x0563511> ok! now that i got samba working...
[02:18] <x0563511> term paper time! yay.
[02:18] <HrdwrBoB> LifesizeKenDoll: are you sure?
[02:19] <HrdwrBoB> my Xorg reports that it doesn't know abou that
[02:19] <HrdwrBoB> (RenderAccel)
[02:20] <elessar> Option "RenderAccel" "1" in your device section
[02:20] <elessar> using the binary nVidia driver
[02:20] <HrdwrBoB> ah
[02:20] <HrdwrBoB> device
[02:20] <HrdwrBoB> der :)
[02:20] <HrdwrBoB> cheers
[02:20] <elessar> just like the README says....
[02:21] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[02:21] <HrdwrBoB> I suck
[02:26] <Hoodster> Hi All!
[02:27] <LifesizeKenDoll> Hoodster: hello
[02:28] <wasabi_> How long does "Starting htoplug subsystem" usually take? It's going on a minute now.
[02:28] <Hoodster> I am using Ubunti Warty 4.1 Full Release and would like to browse a local file server running nfs. When I try to do this, an icon appears on the desktop and in the Computer | Network window, and when I double-click to browse, FireFox loads up. Is there a way to browse the nfs machine with nautilus or not in HTML?
[02:29] <wasabi_> Hoodster: mount the NFS volume using fstab.
[02:29] <wasabi_> Does nautilus let you do that without mounting it?
[02:29] <wasabi_> I didnt't hink it did...
[02:29] <wasabi_> maybe im wrong though. ;0
[02:29] <Hoodster> wasabi: Thank you for replying: I am a linux newbie. What entry do I make in fstab or can you point me to a webpage that will explain it?
[02:30] <wasabi_> I'd read any tutorial about NFS.
[02:30] <wasabi_> But, the line will look somewhat like "server:/export /mount/point nfs options 0 0
[02:32] <bigt> can someone tell me how to use the parted command to list a drive partition please?
[02:32] <bigt> isn't it parted /dev/hda print?
[02:33] <robertj> btw, where should I move /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to?
[02:33] <wasabi_> well sucks. ubuntu froze during boot up.
[02:34] <Mojo_Jojo> wasabi_ did you change your apt sources to hoary?
[02:34] <wasabi_> no.
[02:34] <Mojo_Jojo> ah ok I was just wondering
[02:34] <bigt> dang :( there has to be an easy way to find yoru drives on linux i woudl assume? only way i know how to find it is run the install disk and then view the partition table
[02:35] <wasabi_> does it have hal-device-manager installed?
[02:36] <mdz> robertj: /etc/X11/xorg.conf is what you're looking for
[02:36] <robertj> mdz: thanks
[02:36] <HrdwrBoB> hrm
[02:36] <mdz> robertj: you should not need to move anything
[02:36] <mdz> the packages handle the upgrade transparently
[02:36] <robertj> I don't have a xorg.conf, is that a bad thing?
[02:36] <Unfun> why does ATI suck with linux
[02:36] <robertj> I assumed it just looked for it at XFree86-4
[02:36] <mdz> robertj: yes, assuming you actually have xserver-xorg installed
[02:37] <wasabi_> Unfun: because ATI won't release good drivers?
[02:37] <wasabi_> eg open source
[02:37] <robertj> I guess I should have read that mail closer, I did a dist-upgrade and then did a smart upgrade to be sure (not sure if that's any different)
[02:37] <Unfun> my nvidia 32 meg card works 100x better than my 64eg ATI
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> wasabi_: no that's quite wrong :)
[02:38] <usual> bigg update in hoary
[02:38] <Mojo_Jojo> because ati is Unfun:P...i'm drunk btw :P
[02:38] <Unfun> DRUNKARD!
[02:39] <Unfun> when is hoary officially getting released?
[02:39] <LifesizeKenDoll> it'll be a while
[02:39] <Mojo_Jojo> :D
[02:39] <LifesizeKenDoll> I think it's a 6-month cycle
[02:39] <LifesizeKenDoll> and Warty just got released
[02:39] <Unfun> anyone get winbind/pam to work in ubuntu?
[02:40] <robertj> brb hopefully
[02:41] <SuperQ> does ubuntu come with a CD burning app?
[02:41] <Mojo_Jojo> w00t my ubuntu system is better then it was eariler today hahaha
[02:41] <LifesizeKenDoll> nautilus burns CD's
[02:41] <HrdwrBoB> SuperQ: nautilus has a CD burner built in
[02:41] <Mojo_Jojo> this is great :D:D:D:D
[02:41] <SuperQ> ok
[02:41] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo: how so?
[02:41] <Unfun> i have to say ubuntu is pretty nice
[02:42] <Mojo_Jojo> well this time once it wouldnt boot up I barrowed my gf 120gig hdd and backed up what I needed then I did a fresh install and right after a hoary upgrade :) and I took the time to read the tweaks at www.ubuntuforums.org :D
[02:42] <Mojo_Jojo> but I wont know if I still have the UT problem untill later :)
[02:42] <Hoodster> When I try to mount the nfs from the console, I get a message that the address cannot be gotten. How do I address the address?
[02:43] <Unfun> UT 2004?
[02:43] <LifesizeKenDoll> UT2k4 is fun
[02:43] <Mojo_Jojo> first one :(
[02:43] <Mojo_Jojo> gf wont give back 2k4 *cires*
[02:43] <Unfun> heh
[02:43] <Mojo_Jojo> *cries
[02:43] <SuperQ> hrm
[02:43] <Unfun> poor drunk Mojo_Jojo
[02:43] <SuperQ> hehe.. i normaly just use cd record
[02:43] <Mojo_Jojo> yeah, and in a few min going to the bar for an hour hahaha
[02:43] <robertj> alright
[02:43] <mtutty> anyone feel like helping an ubuntu noob?
[02:43] <robertj> we are rocking now
[02:44] <robertj> mtutty: ask your question
[02:44] <mtutty> I've got a prism-based 802.11b / 128MB flash drive.
[02:44] <mtutty> Works fine with Windows drivers under WinXP Pro.
[02:44] <SuperQ> hrm.. ok.. so i figured out how to add files to a burn
[02:44] <SuperQ> but how do i burn an ISO image
[02:44] <LifesizeKenDoll> open Nautilus
[02:44] <mtutty> I've read some about the prism drivers but can't seem to get them to work.
[02:44] <LifesizeKenDoll> right-click iso
[02:44] <LifesizeKenDoll> Write to CD...
[02:44] <robertj> SuperQ: right click the iso and select burn
[02:44] <SuperQ> yea
[02:44] <SuperQ> it wants to make an ISO of the ISO
[02:45] <SuperQ> Right-Click, write to disc
[02:45] <LifesizeKenDoll> you sure?
[02:45] <robertj> mtutty: sorry, I haven't done any wifi stuff in Ubuntu
[02:45] <mtutty> Does anyone know of a walkthrough, how-to, etc about enabling this kind of device?
[02:45] <SuperQ> Write to disc: File Image
[02:45] <SuperQ> hrm.. maybe ubuntu doesn't like my burner
[02:45] <Mojo_Jojo> HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!! I must be really drunk or i'm readin that my resolution is 1280x1024!!!!! I have never been able to get it that high before not even on windows...thisis frckin great
[02:45] <SuperQ> maybe it wants the burner to be pluged in on login
[02:46] <SuperQ> brb
[02:46] <mtutty> robertj: Thanks anyway. Maybe I'll post to a group.
[02:46] <Gmail> Mojo_Jojo: winbloat can be better than linux
[02:46] <Mojo_Jojo> yeah, but ony for games thats it :D
[02:47] <Mojo_Jojo> LOVE UBUNTU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:47] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo: You're really drunk
[02:47] <Mojo_Jojo> yeah
[02:47] <LifesizeKenDoll> Mojo_Jojo: lol
[02:47] <Mojo_Jojo> haha
[02:47] <Unfun> Mojo_Jojo what gfx card?
[02:47] <Mojo_Jojo> SOLTEK NVIDIA FX5200 AGP8X/128BIT/128MB DDR /DVI & TV-OUT
[02:47] <Unfun> Anyone here use ATI cards?
[02:49] <Mojo_Jojo> well i;m gonna go :) ttyl later...if i'm able to hahaha
[02:50] <robertj> I'm such a luser
[02:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> ?
[02:50] <robertj> Neato xorg and first thing I do is go and try to compile xcompmgr ;)
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> esp because you can download the package
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> :P
[02:50] <Xenguy> robertj: remember, the 'l' is silent ;-)
[02:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> there needs to be an xcompmgr.deb and transset.deb
[02:51] <tvon> there is an xcompmgr package
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[02:51] <tvon> It's not in the main archive yet, but a sources.list line was posted to the dev list
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> add that to your sources.list
[02:51] <tvon> no transset that I know of though
[02:53] <wasabi_> =( ubuntu doesn't work for me. =(
[02:53] <DanielSeuffert> wasabi_: why?
[02:54] <wasabi_> hotplug freezes at boot
[02:54] <wasabi_> "Starting hotplug subsystem", never moves beyond it.
[02:54] <robertj> actually the thing that makes me a luser is that I'm forcing stuff now to get it to work
[02:55] <SuperQ> ok
[02:55] <DanielSeuffert> wasabi_: hardware details?
[02:55] <usual> wasabi_, try hitting ctrl c
[02:55] <SuperQ> so nautilus doesn't detect my burner
[02:56] <wasabi_> amd64, running x86 version
[02:56] <SuperQ> do i have to have it pluged in on boot?
[02:56] <wasabi_> some via mobo
[02:56] <usual> wasabi_, try hitting ctrl c
[02:56] <wasabi_> ctrl-c does nothing.
[02:56] <wasabi_> enter doesn't even insert line feeds.
[02:56] <SuperQ> why run i386 on amd64?
[02:56] <SuperQ> :)
[02:56] <DanielSeuffert> wasabi_: Asus Sk8N or what?
[02:56] <usual> wasabi_, ok, i had similar prob and ctrl c stopped what was happening in the background
[02:56] <wasabi_> MSI... something
[02:56] <wasabi_> Works fine in debian. ;)
[02:56] <usual> i have an MSI also
[02:57] <DanielSeuffert> wasabi_: did you try it without ACPI in Bios?
[02:57] <kingsley> Is there an easier way to set up a virtual machine than User Mode Linux? xen?
[02:57] <wasabi_> not yet
[02:57] <wasabi_> works fine in debian heh.
[02:57] <wasabi_> with acpi
[02:57] <DanielSeuffert> ok, please give it a try...
[02:58] <wasabi_> boot option noacpi?
[02:58] <elessar> bios...
[02:58] <rushibhai> hi all
[02:58] <wasabi_> i cannot disbale acpi in bios.
[02:58] <wasabi_> just apm.
[02:58] <rushibhai> i know this has been asked a billion times today, but when is the firefox 1.0 package coming out?
[02:58] <DanielSeuffert> it already went out ;)
[02:58] <rushibhai> ubutu .deb?
[02:59] <DanielSeuffert> ah, sorry, I misunderstood
[02:59] <rushibhai> :) np
[03:00] <SuperQ> ok.. so i think the deal is ubuntu isn't recognising my USB2 external burner
[03:00] <SuperQ> ahhhh!
[03:00] <SuperQ> that's why
[03:00] <SuperQ> scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
[03:00] <SuperQ>   Vendor: Revoltec  Model: USB/IDE Bridge (  Rev: 0103
[03:00] <SuperQ>   Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 02
[03:00] <DanielSeuffert> wasabi_: I doubt that there is a modern Bios being unable to shut down ACPI...
[03:01] <SuperQ> it doesn't see it as a burner
[03:01] <SuperQ> interesting
[03:01] <wasabi_> um. well, other than mine, try every intel boxed board there is.
[03:02] <fader> wasabi_: just try pci=noacpi
[03:02] <Gmail> wow x.org is out
[03:02] <SuperQ> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[03:02] <SuperQ> wierd
[03:03] <Gmail> 1
[03:03] <SuperQ> Gmail: any idea why my external burner is not happy?
[03:03] <SuperQ> it worked when I had sarge
[03:03] <Gmail> SuperQ: any idea why my interal burner doesn't work
[03:04] <LifesizeKenDoll> Anybody know how to make maximize not maximize _all the way_? e.g. not maximize to the bottom 50 pixels
[03:04] <Gmail> LifesizeKenDoll: you got some gconf hacking to do
[03:05] <Gmail> and ask on irc.gimp.org #gnome
[03:05] <SuperQ> Gmail: heh
[03:06] <SuperQ> grrr.. maybe I'll just plug this thing into my sarge box
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> pl
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> ok
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> I will make a transset deb
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> give me a bit
[03:08] <SuperQ> oh wierd
[03:08] <SuperQ> when I plug it into a Fedora box
[03:08] <SuperQ> usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 3, frame# 671
[03:08] <SuperQ>   Vendor: LITE-ON   Model: DVDRW SOHW-832S   Rev: VS0A
[03:08] <SuperQ>   Type:   CD-ROM                             ANSI SCSI revision: 02
[03:08] <SuperQ> it shows up properly
[03:10] <billytwowilly> how would I find out what version of X is running?
[03:10] <LifesizeKenDoll> X -version
[03:11] <bur[n] er> anyone know how I can change the Hz not from within X?
[03:11] <billytwowilly> noOO! The update borked gnome terminal
[03:11] <bur[n] er> i got a new flat panel, but it can't do 85 Hz... only 75
[03:11] <SuperQ> wierd ass shit
[03:11] <SuperQ> stupid wireless AP
[03:13] <SuperQ> bur[n] er: eh.. you don't need fast refresh rates for LCD
[03:13] <LifesizeKenDoll> bur[n] er: not from within X, you just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:13] <usual> I think nautilus is broken in hoary
[03:13] <usual> it is trying to use fam
[03:13] <LifesizeKenDoll> usual: how so?
[03:13] <usual> but fam was removed
[03:13] <LifesizeKenDoll> I have fam
[03:13] <usual> the latest upgrade removed mine
[03:14] <wasabi_> i turned of acpi
[03:14] <wasabi_> and it's still not working
[03:14] <LifesizeKenDoll> usual: does it replace it with gamin?
[03:14] <usual> LifesizeKenDoll, is that the new replacement for fam?
[03:14] <LifesizeKenDoll> usual: yes
[03:15] <usual> LifesizeKenDoll, I never would have guessed, thanks
[03:15] <usual> LifesizeKenDoll, that fixed it
[03:15] <robertj> whee
[03:16] <Gmail> SuperQ: i am having problem with 2 lite-ons
[03:16] <robertj> mdz: congratulations! xorg has allowed me to make my gui horribly slow ;)
[03:16] <usual> anyonw know a utility that will convert wma files to mp3 or ogg
[03:16] <SuperQ> Gmail: huh
[03:16] <wasabi_> well this sucks.
[03:16] <usual> Gmail, I have a lite0n
[03:16] <robertj> mdz: next task: find out if my video card can be hardware accelerated in Xorg ;)
[03:17] <LifesizeKenDoll> robertj: what type is it?
[03:17] <SuperQ> Gmail: the drive worked fine on a fedora box
[03:17] <LifesizeKenDoll> arg, I want to have a Mac Dock - but maximize covers it up
[03:17] <SuperQ> Gmail: don't know why ubuntu hates it
[03:17] <robertj> WOrking on it
[03:18] <robertj> Sorry, drop shadows, slowing system to crawl
[03:18] <LifesizeKenDoll> robertj: why not turn those off?
[03:18] <robertj> its i810
[03:18] <robertj> Life: mustn't
[03:19] <robertj> too guirific
[03:19] <LifesizeKenDoll> robertj: did you compile xcompmgr?
[03:19] <robertj> Life: yeah ;P
[03:19] <wasabi_> argh
[03:20] <wasabi_> i didn't want to be arguing with ahrdware all night
[03:21] <robertj> It's a 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset
[03:22] <LifesizeKenDoll> robertj: where can I download xcompmgr?
[03:22] <Gmail> SuperQ: maybe you don't have the driver and fedora did?
[03:22] <robertj> Lifesize: CVS
[03:23] <LifesizeKenDoll> I can't use CVS
[03:23] <robertj> the required xorg extensions are packaged but require that you force overwrite some files
[03:23] <LifesizeKenDoll> ports blocked
[03:25] <Bartman> hi guys
[03:26] <Bartman> I'm trying ot finish up my ubuntu install for a poor friend. I need to get a wireless PCI card working but I can't find any drivers for it
[03:26] <Bartman> any idea where to start? I check the makers web site. It's a Hawking HWP102...
[03:26] <Gmail> Bartman: your going to have a lot of trubble
[03:26] <nomasteryoda> Bartman: what kind?
[03:26] <nomasteryoda> ok
[03:27] <Bartman> I've never setup up wireless in linux before
[03:27] <Bartman> I did get DRI working :)
[03:27] <nomasteryoda> Bartman: just trudge thru it
[03:27] <nomasteryoda> Bartman: SuSE makes it easier...using the gui
[03:28] <Bartman> trudge thru it?
[03:28] <nomasteryoda> yea
[03:28] <Bartman> I can't even tell if there are drivers for it and I'm not having much lucking
[03:28] <Bartman> guck
[03:28] <Bartman> luck
[03:28] <Bartman> so where should I start
[03:28] <nomasteryoda> linuxant?
[03:28] <LifesizeKenDoll> Bartman: what chipset do you have?
[03:29] <Bartman> I'm not sure.. I gues I could rip it apart and see
[03:29] <Bartman> let me google first
[03:29] <nomasteryoda> Bartman: no
[03:29] <Bartman> what is linuxant
[03:29] <nomasteryoda> google for it
[03:29] <nomasteryoda> linuxant is a way to use the windows driver
[03:30] <nomasteryoda> for certain cards
[03:30] <Bartman> oooh
[03:30] <nomasteryoda> or try
[03:30] <nomasteryoda> ndiswrapper
[03:30] <nomasteryoda> which is free
[03:30] <Bartman> I'm looking at the www site.. bu tI need to find the chipset first.. one sec
[03:30] <nomasteryoda> linuxant is $20
[03:30] <nomasteryoda> Bartman:
[03:30] <nomasteryoda> do a dmes
[03:30] <nomasteryoda> g
[03:30] <nomasteryoda> dmesg
[03:30] <|QuaD|> hey, i am normally a kde user but decided to give ubuntu/gnome a try. I was looking through the "configuration editor" (ie gconf-editor)... can i use that to edit any confic file? like apache?
[03:30] <Bartman> on the nux box?
[03:30] <nomasteryoda> yea
[03:30] <nomasteryoda> in the term
[03:30] <Bartman> one sec let me go in the basement
[03:30] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:30] <SmokingFire> is hoary better now? Last time I tried it synaptic had crashes
[03:31] <|QuaD|> iin the term?
[03:31] <nomasteryoda> mine's working
[03:31] <|QuaD|> SmokingFire: did you make it so there is a root account?
[03:31] <Bartman> it's for my room mates sister who is "slow" she keeps killing the XP install and I'm trying to get her set up with ubuntu
[03:31] <nomasteryoda> Bartman: excellent
[03:31] <wasabi_> got it.
[03:31] <nomasteryoda> dont' tell her she can use sudo
[03:32] <SmokingFire> |QuaD|: no, used default settings and did an upgrade by changing all references in sources.list from warty to hoarty.
[03:32] <nomasteryoda> hoary
[03:32] <|QuaD|> ohh... i am not using hoary
[03:32] <Bartman> dmesg spit out pages of stuff.. what am I looking for
[03:32] <|QuaD|> nomasteryoda: was that for me the "in the term"?
[03:32] <nomasteryoda> for bartman
[03:32] <nomasteryoda> srt
[03:32] <nomasteryoda> sry
[03:32] <|QuaD|> do you know the answer to my question?
[03:33] <SmokingFire> does hoary come with firefox 1.0RC?
[03:33] <robertj> Smoking: yeah
[03:33] <SmokingFire> robertj: anyother noticeable changes.
[03:33] <Bartman> what am I looking for in dmesg
[03:33] <nomasteryoda> just sec
[03:34] <robertj> Yes, the new find bar
[03:34] <robertj> the one that was in warty before it was reverted prior to release
[03:34] <nomasteryoda> Bartman: what card type again?
[03:34] <nomasteryoda> label that is
[03:34] <Bartman> hawking hwp102
[03:34] <nomasteryoda> ok
[03:34] <nomasteryoda> look for hwp102
[03:35] <nomasteryoda> you can grep it
[03:35] <SmokingFire> robertj: I'm wondering about the distro it self.
[03:35] <robertj> Oh, yeah
[03:35] <nomasteryoda> dmesg | grep hwp102
[03:36] <robertj> Evolution is majorly bork, X11 is replaced with Xorg, and you can't count on anything working at all in hoary
[03:36] <Bartman> nothing
[03:36] <robertj> everything that is broken will be fixed next week and everything that is fixed will be broken next week.
[03:36] <nomasteryoda> just sec
[03:37] <Bartman> prehaps I should just shut it down and pull the card
[03:37] <|QuaD|> also, another question, i have installed apache2 and ssh (those are the only daemons).... how come when i do a port scan ON MYSELF it shows ports 25(smtp), 111 (sunrpc), 631(ipp), and 930(unknown) open?
[03:37] <alka_trash> hello room
[03:37] <SmokingFire> robertj: ok, I will wait then.
[03:37] <Bartman> not much info on this card on the net
[03:37] <nomasteryoda> Bartman: is it PCI / PCMCIA or USB
[03:37] <Bartman> pci
[03:37] <nomasteryoda> Bartman: is it PCI, PCMCIA or USB
[03:38] <alka_trash> what's the best way to install the latest nvidia driver?
[03:38] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:38] <asdf_46> alka_trash, look in the wiki
[03:38] <alka_trash> oops, okay
[03:38] <asdf_46> alka_trash, binary driver install I think
[03:38] <|QuaD|> can anyone answer my question?
[03:38] <Bartman> alka_trash did you try using the Synaptic manager
[03:38] <nomasteryoda> QuaD
[03:39] <nomasteryoda> did you say hoarty
[03:39] <alka_trash> not for the one that was release yesterday
[03:39] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[03:39] <alka_trash> because it wasn't updated yet
[03:39] <|QuaD|> nope
[03:39] <HrdwrBoB> my first deb
[03:39] <nomasteryoda> ok
[03:39] <nomasteryoda> no clue
[03:39] <nomasteryoda> Gmail, can you help QuaD?
[03:39] <HrdwrBoB> http://kaos.vicnet.net.au/transset_0.1+cvs.20041110-1_i386.deb
[03:39] <Bartman> alka_trash does it really matter? What does the new driver fix
[03:40] <|QuaD|> Gmail: can you answer my quest?
[03:40] <alka_trash> it increases doom3 performance   :)
[03:40] <|QuaD|> one thing to remember is that it is on my computer i am doing the scan
[03:40] <Gmail> |QuaD|: whats the problem?
[03:40] <|QuaD|> "also, another question, i have installed apache2 and ssh (those are the only daemons).... how come when i do a port scan ON MYSELF it shows ports 25(smtp), 111 (sunrpc), 631(ipp), and 930(unknown) open?"
[03:40] <alka_trash> I can't help but want the latest and greatest
[03:40] <Bartman> my intel box has an ATI video card.. I've given up on gaming on linux :P
[03:40] <umarmung> |QuaD|, 25 is sendmail, 631 is cups, 111 and 930? is for fam
[03:41] <Gmail> alka_trash: hoary
[03:41] <alka_trash> okay
[03:41] <|QuaD|> sendmail comes configured?
[03:41] <alka_trash> Gmail: are you running it?
[03:41] <asdf_46> |QuaD|, I think it is postfix
[03:41] <nomasteryoda> Bartman: PCI ok
[03:41] <alka_trash> if so how is it?
[03:41] <nomasteryoda> googled it
[03:41] <Bartman> found it!
[03:42] <nomasteryoda> Bartman: in dmesg?
[03:42] <Bartman> dang.. I'm usually good googleing for info
[03:42] <|QuaD|> interesting... apt-get remove postfix/sendmail? would that break anything?
[03:42] <Bartman> I didn't find it in dmesg
[03:42] <umarmung> oops sorry, postfix
[03:42] <Bartman> oh wait a sec
[03:42] <nomasteryoda> Bartman: you can grep for PCI
[03:42] <Bartman> nomasteryoda I do see something refering to my wireless network name
[03:42] <nomasteryoda> ok
[03:42] <Bartman> nothing under pci
[03:43] <Cube-ness> does adding hoary stuff to apt-get work, as in, can you update from warty to hoary and is hoary in a working state?
[03:43] <Bartman> eth0 gives info about my wireless network name and stuff
[03:43] <Bartman> is that a good start?
[03:43] <nomasteryoda> Cube-ness: yes
[03:43] <Bartman> I have WEP enabled but don't know how to config the password in linux
[03:44] <alka_trash> damn, it's hard to change to hoary, warty is working so well
[03:45] <Bartman> I'm getting the BSSID and SSID of my network
[03:45] <adoyretsamon|utb> Bartman, look under System Configuration > Networking >
[03:45] <alka_trash> nomasteryoda: do you like hoary?
[03:45] <adoyretsamon|utb> man, you are almost there
[03:45] <adoyretsamon|utb> yea
[03:46] <LifesizeKenDoll> Hoary is nice
[03:46] <LifesizeKenDoll> seems to work out quite alright
[03:46] <Bartman> now I have 2 nics installed.. one ethernet and this wireless
[03:46] <adoyretsamon|utb> ok
[03:46] <SmokingFire> what will I notice about x.org vs xfree86? As an end user.
[03:46] <HrdwrBoB> SmokingFire: currently unless you want to play with stuff
[03:46] <Bartman> in the networking I see one card and it says ethernet lan card eth0, but with dmesg eth0 looks like the wireless one
[03:46] <HrdwrBoB> .. SFA
[03:46] <HrdwrBoB> http://kaos.vicnet.net.au/Screenshot-4.png  you can do that though
[03:47] <alka_trash> Thanks everyone, I'm updating my repositories to hoary
[03:47] <LifesizeKenDoll> alka_trash: good luck
[03:47] <LifesizeKenDoll> SmokingFire: X.org is faster
[03:47] <alka_trash> ;)
[03:48] <Unfun> how is X.org with ati?
[03:48] <adoyretsamon|utb> Bartman, disable the wired card
[03:48] <LifesizeKenDoll> Unfun: bad
[03:48] <SmokingFire> ok so not just eyecandy
[03:48] <adoyretsamon|utb> will make life easier
[03:48] <Unfun> yikes
[03:48] <Bartman> ok I'm trying to add a new wireless nic now
[03:48] <LifesizeKenDoll> alka_trash: `sed 's/warty/hoary' /etc/apt/sources.lst |sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list`
[03:48] <alka_trash> Thanks
[03:48] <adoyretsamon|utb> Bartman, on my suse box I had to delete all cards then plug one at a time
[03:49] <oddabe19> what package holds gnome-panel-screenshot?
[03:49] <LifesizeKenDoll> Unfun: yea, ATI hasn't released drivers in a while
[03:49] <LifesizeKenDoll> oddabe19: I want to know that too
[03:49] <oddabe19> cause mine broke today
[03:49] <oddabe19> when i upgraded
[03:49] <Bartman> adoyretsamon|utb I'm thinking that may be a good idea
[03:49] <LifesizeKenDoll> oddabe19: yea, I just use Gimp's screenshot for now
[03:49] <adoyretsamon|utb> Bartman, yes
[03:49] <adoyretsamon|utb> since she wants to go wireless
[03:49] <adoyretsamon|utb> and it is seeing your SSID
[03:50] <alka_trash> and it's off
[03:50] <eclipse> does anyone know how to change the splash screen in gnome?
[03:50] <Bartman> hmm.. it crashed the network window
[03:50] <adoyretsamon|utb> lol
[03:50] <adoyretsamon|utb> figures
[03:50] <adoyretsamon|utb> i have noticed that
[03:50] <eclipse> does anyone know how to change the splash screen in gnome?
[03:50] <adoyretsamon|utb> breaks the hostname relationship
[03:50] <SmokingFire> elessar: in gconf
[03:51] <SmokingFire> did it once but don't remember how
[03:51] <adoyretsamon|utb> will have to restartX
[03:51] <|QuaD|> how do i install sun java packages?
[03:51] <LifesizeKenDoll> eclipse: don't spam
[03:51] <Bartman> restarting X
[03:51] <nomasteryoda> QuaD, check the wiki
[03:51] <LifesizeKenDoll> |QuaD|: ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[03:51] <gabaug> how does Canonical make money from Ubuntu? How can they afford to burn and ship CDs to people?
[03:51] <Bartman> is there a way to make X auto login as a user
[03:51] <Bartman> OH FUCK IT WORKS!!!!
[03:51] <Bartman> :)))
[03:51] <adoyretsamon|utb> LOLK
[03:52] <LifesizeKenDoll> Bartman: sudo gdm-setup
[03:52] <adoyretsamon|utb> great
[03:52] <SmokingFire> elessar: goto www.gnome-look.org or kde-look.org (for gnomes themes off course) and then look at one splashscreen download and look for the howto install instructions.
[03:52] <Bartman> I never though it would
[03:52] <alka_trash> pie
[03:52] <Bartman> I thought I looked under that networking but I must have missed it
[03:52] <alka_trash> ez as pie
[03:52] <Bartman> I would have figured to add a new card like that..
[03:52] <Bartman> thanks so much doods
[03:52] <adoyretsamon|utb> np
[03:53] <eclipse> lifesizekendoll, u know how to change the splash screen?
[03:53] <SmokingFire> gabaug: as cannical is owned by an south african he illegally trades in diamonds, which he uses to fund his other enterprises or better said to launder his main business.
[03:53] <|QuaD|> i tried to follow the instructions on the wiki, synaptic won't let me add that
[03:53] <Bartman> LifesizeKenDoll gdm-setup dosn't do anything
[03:53] <Bartman> ?
[03:53] <jdub> SmokingFire: um, dude. please don't.
[03:54] <LifesizeKenDoll> Bartman: whoops, sudo gdmsetup
[03:54] <LifesizeKenDoll> eclipse: sorry, dunno
[03:55] <Bartman> hmm.. I already have it set to login as Amber at first boot.. I must be confused :)
[03:55] <adoyretsamon|utb> SmokingFire, yea, please don't
[03:55] <SmokingFire> ok
[03:55] <LifesizeKenDoll> and I just solved eclipse's problem
[03:55] <LifesizeKenDoll> lol
[03:55] <Bartman> I'll also set it to auto log her in after 1 sec
[03:55] <adoyretsamon|utb> good
[03:55] <adoyretsamon|utb> anything to make it simple for a noob
[03:55] <SmokingFire> how do you feel about the bookmarks in firefox being based on the filesystem? It would make it easier to manage.
[03:56] <adoyretsamon|utb> yea
[03:56] <adoyretsamon|utb> it would
[03:56] <alka_trash> I just had a deep thoght on how cool it is to be upgrade my distro
[03:56] <adoyretsamon|utb> but too much like IE
[03:56] <Bartman> you guys rock!
[03:56] <adoyretsamon|utb> lol
[03:56] <LifesizeKenDoll> Bartman: yay!
[03:56] <Bartman> when do you think Firefox 1 will be out in Synaptic
[03:56] <adoyretsamon|utb> glad i dropped in for a bit
[03:56] <LifesizeKenDoll> Bartman: a day or so for Hoary, I bet
[03:56] <GnuHippy> is anybody using XFCE 4.2 beta 2?
[03:56] <SmokingFire> adoyretsamon|utb: not all ideas from IE team are bad.
[03:56] <LifesizeKenDoll> Bartman: I hope
[03:56] <LifesizeKenDoll> GnuHippy: I used to
[03:56] <adoyretsamon|utb> SmokingFire, true
[03:56] <adoyretsamon|utb> just most of them
[03:56] <adoyretsamon|utb> =)
[03:57] <LifesizeKenDoll> IE team: let's tie the browser into the kernel!
[03:57] <LifesizeKenDoll> GnuHippy: Ubuntu's not really a place for XFCE
[03:57] <SmokingFire> adoyretsamon|utb: well, <my reply is better suited for off topic>
[03:57] <adoyretsamon|utb> Bartman, if you didn't notice, my other nick is nomasteryoda
[03:57] <adoyretsamon|utb> SmokingFire, true
[03:58] <Bartman> adoyretsamon|utb oh, was I talking to you both or something
[03:58] <Bartman> :)
[03:58] <HrdwrBoB> [1] +  Segmentation fault      xcompmgr -cCfF -r7 -o.65 -l-10 -t-8 -D7
[03:58] <SmokingFire> but in general do you think a filesystem based bookmarks is a good idea?
[03:58] <HrdwrBoB> excellent
[03:58] <LifesizeKenDoll> GnuHippy: I used to use XFCE-4.1.91 when I had Debian
[03:58] <robertj> Smoking: they are a wonderful idea
[03:58] <Lathiat> daniels: woo :)
[03:59] <SmokingFire> ok, I will see if I can request a feature request on mozilla, firefox bugzilla.
[03:59] <robertj> HrdwrBob: those settings work for me
[03:59] <robertj> it's soooo slow though
[03:59] <LifesizeKenDoll> SmokingFire: you do that
[03:59] <SmokingFire> LifesizeKenDoll: Doing it right now.
[04:00] <nomasteryoda> Bartman: yea, i'm toggling between my SuSE box and my Ubuntu
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> robertj: no it works
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> but after a while it segfaults
[04:00] <robertj> Hrdwr: how is spee?
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> it's slow, even on an 'accelerated' nvidia card
[04:00] <robertj> err speed?
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> well, it's useable
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> but it's noticably slower
[04:01] <Bartman> sweet guys she seems to like it
[04:01] <Bartman> I allready had her using firefox so it's not like it's much different
[04:01] <adoyretsamon|utb> good
[04:01] <adoyretsamon|utb> Bartman, tweak it up
[04:01] <robertj> HrdwrBoB: What chipset?
[04:02] <Bartman> tweak it? how
[04:02] <AlohaWolf> is there a way to speed up DNS in ubuntu?
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> robertj: gf440mx ugh
[04:02] <adoyretsamon|utb> oh, just pretty backgrounds
[04:02] <adoyretsamon|utb> themes
[04:02] <adoyretsamon|utb> for firefox
[04:02] <adoyretsamon|utb> etc
[04:02] <Bartman> done.. got  Dale jr. on the desktop for her
[04:02] <adoyretsamon|utb> sweet
[04:02] <robertj> SPeed is okay on small windows here
[04:03] <adoyretsamon|utb> so she is <30
[04:03] <Bartman> just over 30
[04:03] <labanux> How can we edit the configuration of grub..??
[04:03] <adoyretsamon|utb> wow
[04:03] <gabaug> jdub, adoyretsamon|utb: do either of you know the real story to my question, then? (how Canonical makes money)
[04:03] <labanux> i've tried looking for grub.conf,but there's no grub.conf
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> labanux: you can run sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:03] <LifesizeKenDoll> labanux: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:04] <adoyretsamon|utb> labanux: sudo vi /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:04] <labanux> oh.., so the configuration is in /boot/grub/menu.lst ..
[04:04] <adoyretsamon|utb> =)
[04:04] <labanux> thanx guys......
[04:04] <robertj> Hrdwr: ooh, make a real small window then click panel to minimize it
[04:04] <HrdwrBoB> labanux: it always has been
[04:04] <robertj> and it fades out purty
[04:04] <HrdwrBoB> labanux: grub.conf is a symlink
[04:04] <HrdwrBoB> robertj: yes :)
[04:04] <HrdwrBoB> robertj: try alt-tab
[04:05] <jdub> gabaug: professional services and support.
[04:05] <adoyretsamon|utb> that is sweet
[04:06] <oddabe19> LifesizeKenDoll, i've been googling all over the place for that package... you have any ideas?
[04:06] <robertj> the effect on that is a bit rough
[04:06] <adoyretsamon|utb> robertj, yea...kde's is smoother, but doesn't do the boxing
[04:06] <LifesizeKenDoll> oddabe19: sorry man, I suggest just use the Gimp
[04:07] <robertj> do any cards get mostly-seamless performance?
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> robertj: most of the slowness is architectural limitations
[04:07] <adoyretsamon|utb> nvidia in my book
[04:07] <Unfun> nvidia for sure
[04:08] <Unfun> my ati performs like shit
[04:08] <robertj> so the new nvidia stuff does well?
[04:08] <adoyretsamon|utb> but this ATI is good - but only on ubuntu
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> robertj: well enough
[04:09] <AlohaWolf> hmm.. installing bind speeds things up
[04:09] <Unfun> adoyretsamon|utb what ATI?
[04:09] <adoyretsamon|utb> just sec
[04:09] <robertj> is the i810 slowness drivers or hardware?
[04:10] <adoyretsamon|utb> Radeon 7200 R100
[04:10] <adoyretsamon|utb> 64mb
[04:10] <Unfun> hmm
[04:10] <adoyretsamon|utb> i have played bzflag
[04:10] <Unfun> adoyretsamon|utb can you send me your XFree86-4 config?
[04:10] <adoyretsamon|utb> with no problems
[04:10] <adoyretsamon|utb> sure
[04:10] <Unfun> i cant get my Radeon 7000 to work
[04:10] <Unfun> im assuming it's pretty much the same card
[04:11] <LifesizeKenDoll> Unfun: I don't get your name
[04:12] <Unfun> It's refernce to one of my favorites bands album
[04:12] <nimc> i couldnt get my radeon 7500 to work with ati's binary drivers.... it doesn't seem to be supported :(
[04:13] <LifesizeKenDoll> Unfun: which band?
[04:13] <labanux> nimc: radeon 7500?
[04:13] <robertj> btw, can XFCE be configured to ues dock-like behavior?
[04:13] <Unfun> Jawbreaker
[04:13] <LifesizeKenDoll> robertj: what do you mean dock-like?
[04:13] <nimc> labanux, yes
[04:13] <labanux> nimc: i'm using radeon 7000, but there's nothing wrong
[04:13] <LifesizeKenDoll> robertj: I used XFCE-4 a lot
[04:13] <robertj> Large Icons that activate/start an application, can be drug on and off the panel, etc
[04:13] <Unfun> hey labanux you get your 7000 to work?
[04:14] <labanux> nimc: have you make any change to X11 system?
[04:14] <robertj> and open programs automatically appear
[04:14] <LifesizeKenDoll> robertj: I don't think so
[04:14] <nimc> fglrx drivers won't work, i get struck on 'sudo modprobe fglrx' - says device not found
[04:14] <LifesizeKenDoll> robertj: it's planned for 4.4, not 4.2
[04:14] <labanux> Unfun: yeah.., my radeon 7000 work well
[04:14] <Unfun> labanux i have a 7000 card, tried fglrx and get the same error as nimc
[04:14] <Unfun> labanux what driver you using? ati or fglrx?
[04:15] <nimc> labanux, i assume that fglrx needs to be changed, not x11
[04:15] <adoyretsamon|utb> Unfun: it also helps to change the hdparm
[04:15] <adoyretsamon|utb> for your HD
[04:15] <adoyretsamon|utb> or DMA
[04:15] <adoyretsamon|utb> i do both
[04:15] <labanux> Unfun: sorry.., i'm ati radeon 7000
[04:15] <nimc> the ati driver that came builtin with ubuntu works fine
[04:15] <adoyretsamon|utb> nimc, that is the one I'm using
[04:15] <robertj> Lifesize: I really like Gnome
[04:16] <Unfun> i tried the built int driver but i get a huge virtual display instead of a usuable screen.
[04:16] <labanux> nimc: yeah..., i'm sorry i'm using ati radeon7000, not fglrx radeon 7000
[04:16] <robertj> I really wish there was a way to make a bigger task list
[04:16] <Unfun> i have a 7000 at work im trying to get going.
[04:16] <nimc> labanux, fglxrx is just the name of the linux driver
[04:16] <LifesizeKenDoll> robertj: I wish I could I have a real dock
[04:16] <nimc> fglrx
[04:16] <robertj> you can make it 41 px tall but if you make it 42 it splits your buttons up onto another row
[04:17] <adoyretsamon|utb> robertj, there has to be a conf file to mod that
[04:18] <bigt> question: anyone know of a way to get shockwave to work with firefox other than having to buy crossover?
[04:18] <adoyretsamon|utb> shell out the buckx
[04:18] <bigt> not a chance
[04:18] <adoyretsamon|utb> yea
[04:18] <adoyretsamon|utb> but crossover is nice
[04:18] <bborkk> Anyone know when we can expect libfreetype6 2.1.9 to appear in Ubuntu?  It's currently at 2.1.7.
[04:18] <adoyretsamon|utb> works well too
[04:18] <adoyretsamon|utb> i run Dreamweaver MX on it
[04:19] <bigt> well ill hav to steal it then :)
[04:19] <adoyretsamon|utb> hehe
[04:19] <adoyretsamon|utb> and all the apps run
[04:19] <adoyretsamon|utb> even flash
[04:19] <adoyretsamon|utb> but that is another topic
[04:19] <bigt> i assume you like spending money :)
[04:19] <adoyretsamon|utb> no
[04:19] <adoyretsamon|utb> that is at work
[04:20] <adoyretsamon|utb> here i just use linux
[04:20] <adoyretsamon|utb> if you want a good web editor
[04:20] <adoyretsamon|utb> nvu is great
[04:22] <bigt> adoy: question why are you using linux seriously since it appears alot of stuff don't work this is my 2nd day of using linux and i'm not sold yet
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> bigt, like what?
[04:25] <nomasteryoda> control
[04:26] <nomasteryoda> i like control
[04:26] <nomasteryoda> not being controlled
[04:26] <nomasteryoda> by MS
[04:26] <HrdwrBoB> bigt: I use linux all day everyday at home and work :)
[04:27] <Unfun> ALL DAY EVERY DAY
[04:27] <nomasteryoda> HrdwrBoB: me too... though I have to provide support at work for MS users
[04:27] <alka_trash> nice I'm trying to convince my boss, I was able to install linux as kiosk computer though
[04:27] <nomasteryoda> but my main box is linux
[04:27] <nomasteryoda> heck, I like it so much I have 6 distros on my work laptop
[04:29] <alka_trash> does anyone feel that linux will take over mac computers
[04:29] <nomasteryoda> bigt, look here... mgalug.org
[04:29] <Unfun> alka_trash no
[04:29] <nomasteryoda> lots of reasons to love linux
[04:29] <alka_trash> Unfun: even with adobe support
[04:29] <Unfun> yes.
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> alka_trash: I don't think so, however gnome especially is fast approaching the 'niceness' of OS X
[04:30] <nomasteryoda> i second that
[04:31] <alka_trash> I just don't know what mac has that's so special ( not trying to start war )
[04:31] <weasello> for some reason - when I left this morning, I had GAIM open, along with various web browsers and etc.; when I came home, it was just the desktop running. Nobody closed any windows, and logging in requires a password so that rules out crash/power outage/reboot. Any clues as to what happened?
[04:31] <alka_trash> other than hardware, and linux can run on it
[04:31] <nomasteryoda> coolness and ease for user
[04:31] <dewey> weasello: nope
[04:32] <AlohaWolf> is there a way to modify things so X starts in Init 3 instead of Init 2?
[04:33] <jdub> AlohaWolf: remove the symlink from rc2.d
[04:33] <jdub> AlohaWolf: that's not really 'the debian way' though :)
[04:34] <AlohaWolf> jdub, I know.. but I want X to be on a seperate runlevel from rest of the system
[04:34] <oddabe19> anyone else getting random logouts?
[04:34] <jdub> oddabe19: try switching the screensaver to 'blank screen only' and see if it does it again
[04:35] <oddabe19> is there a bug?
[04:36] <oddabe19> jdub, is there a bug in the screensaver daemon
[04:37] <jdub> oddabe19: it's usually a problem with the GL screensavers
[04:38] <bborkk> punkass: hey, how goes the pyfi?  seems like there's been some improvement in the latest gnome network admin tool.  still not what it should be, though.
[04:38] <oddabe19> I don't know... i've been runing hoary successfully for a while... this seemed like it started today
[04:38] <oddabe19> but i'll try what you said
[04:38] <dewey> weasello: I shut them all down while you were out. :)
[04:38] <bob2> Kamion: ah, oops, sorry; I couldn't remember the exact option so I googled
[04:38] <punkass> hey bborkk...havent done much with lately..damn life getting in the way
[04:39] <punkass> just doing a dist-upgrade to hoary
[04:39] <bborkk> punkass: yeah, funny how that happens.
[04:39] <gen> hey guys, ever since i got the hoary upgrades, xmms isn't working properly, vlc skips in dvd playing, after these occur, i freeze upon logout, this can't be normal, right?
[04:39] <punkass> yeah..its blows me away sometimes...
[04:39] <gen> (but it was fine on warty)
[04:39] <jdub> gen: WELCOME TO THE DEVELOPMENT BRANCH :-)
[04:40] <gen> haha
[04:40] <gen> :)
[04:40] <oddabe19> gen file bugs
[04:40] <punkass> i noticed that xorg is now in hoary eh
[04:40] <oddabe19> i personally haven't had the problems you're describing.
[04:40] <oddabe19> punkass, Hi, i'm 10 hrs ago... have we met?? ;-)
[04:40] <oddabe19> :-P
[04:40] <oddabe19> it's very nice
[04:41] <GnuHippy> it sounds like the problem I am having with not be able to enable DMA
[04:41] <oddabe19> composite is slow as hell though
[04:41] <oddabe19> even with renderaccel
[04:41] <GnuHippy> thats odd
[04:41] <GnuHippy> do you have the latest nvidia driver
[04:41] <GnuHippy> ?
[04:41] <punkass> yeah...any trick with getting rid of xfree before getting xorg?
[04:41] <oddabe19> punkass, no, it'll do it automatically
[04:41] <jdub> punkass: just upgrade.
[04:41] <jdub> punkass: otherwise you wouldn't be testing potential upgrade bugs...
[04:42] <adoyretsamon|utb> just use smart upgrade
[04:42] <punkass> i just did an dist-upgrade and didnt see it
[04:42] <punkass> hmm
[04:42] <SuperQ> *cri*
[04:42] <SuperQ> ubuntu doesn't detect my floppy drive
[04:42] <robertj> punk: I got the same thing,  install xserver-xorg
[04:42] <SuperQ> sad
[04:43] <punkass> robertj: ok thanks
[04:43] <punkass> oh i see an xorg-common but that is all
[04:44] <electricsheepdre> what would you guys suggest for a media player?
[04:44] <gen> mplayer and vlc
[04:44] <jdub> electricsheepdre: totem-xine
[04:44] <punkass> i just use totem and rhythmbox
[04:44] <electricsheepdre> is there a mplayer .deb package?
[04:44] <adoyretsamon|utb> upgrading this system right now
[04:44] <adoyretsamon|utb> to hoary
[04:44] <electricsheepdre> totam hasnt played anything yet
[04:44] <gen> adoy good luck
[04:44] <electricsheepdre> totem*
[04:44] <jdub> electricsheepdre: install totem-xine
[04:45] <punkass> get totem-xine
[04:45] <jdub> electricsheepdre: then get things like w32codecs and so on
[04:45] <adoyretsamon|utb> is there an easy autoconfigure script for grub?
[04:45] <electricsheepdre> where could I find a list of codecs I should get?
[04:46] <gen> should i expect these problems im having on hoary to work themselves out over the next few updates
[04:46] <gen> or should i go back to warty
[04:46] <punkass> w32codecs will get you most of them
[04:46] <electricsheepdre> cool
[04:46] <wasabi_> There a Amd64 howto?
[04:46] <punkass> and get libdvdcss will allow playing of dvds
[04:47] <adoyretsamon|utb> only 614 packages remaining
[04:47] <adoyretsamon|utb> lol
[04:47] <gen> that all?
[04:47] <punkass> only 237 for me :)
[04:47] <electricsheepdre> couldnt find package w32codecs
[04:47] <punkass> its not part of ubuntu for legal reasons
[04:49] <punkass> you need a different repository...pretty sure there is a howto on ubuntus site
[04:49] <jdub> it's in multiverse
[04:50] <jdub> (hrm, probably not for warty, never mind)
[04:50] <punkass> cool
[04:50] <punkass> what about libdvdcss?
[04:51] <electricsheepdre> couldnt find that either
[04:52] <punkass> For apt-get add in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:52] <punkass> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[04:52] <punkass> or you can use the gui of synaptic
[04:52] <punkass> to add them
[04:53] <electricsheepdre> w32codecs has no installation candidate
[04:54] <punkass> did you add the line to your sources.list file?
[04:54] <electricsheepdre> I used synaptic
[04:54] <punkass> did you do a refresh?
[04:54] <GnuHippy> tvtime in hoary isn't saving my settings
[04:55] <GnuHippy> damn I love the new dscaler plugins though
[04:55] <adoyretsamon|utb> yea
[04:55] <adoyretsamon|utb> how new?
[04:55] <electricsheepdre> yeah
[04:55] <GnuHippy> I think they just added some in the last 24 hours
[04:56] <GnuHippy> adaptive motion advance detect
[04:56] <adoyretsamon|utb> oh nice
[04:56] <adoyretsamon|utb> will have to get that
[04:56] <adoyretsamon|utb> been using them for a while now
[04:57] <gen> ok i narrowed down the problems i'm having in hoary, all relate to sound. after attempting to use xmms it will freeze, then i force quit it. even if i don't no sound will work in vlc or mplayer, will say that the sound device is in use. any ideas on whats the problem?
[04:57] <adoyretsamon|utb> switch xmms to alsa
[04:59] <gen> it says
[04:59] <gen> please check that: your soundcard is configured properly. you have the correct output plugin selected. no other program is blocking the soundcard.
[04:59] <gen> then i push ok and it does nothing
[05:00] <punkass> electricsheepdre: change the 'unstable' to 'stable'
[05:01] <punkass> for some reason it is in the stable list and not the unstable one
[05:01] <desp> jesus
[05:01] <gen> any ideas guys
[05:01] <desp> is there anyone here running on ppc that has succesfully gotten mplayer to work under warty?
[05:01] <adoyretsamon|utb> gen, thinking
[05:01] <adoyretsamon|utb> i had that year or 2 ago
[05:02] <desp> I have finally compiled the CVS version, but I'm unable to get the vidix drivers to work for some unknown reason, and they're the only ones that give me any performance
[05:02] <punkass> gen: you could try to use aplay to play a wav to make sure alsa is working
[05:03] <punkass> desp: just curious...why not just use totem-xine?
[05:03] <gen> i just tried the esound output, and now got xmms working
[05:03] <desp> because it's crappy performance-wise
[05:03] <gen> but vlc and mplayer still have movie playing sound issues
[05:03] <desp> mplayer has no issues with sound whatsoever
[05:04] <desp> however vlc and totem-xine do
[05:04] <bborkk> punkass: Does totem-xine have the functionality of mencoder?
[05:04] <punkass> ive havent had any probs with totem-xine is the only reason i ask
[05:04] <punkass> no idea
[05:04] <adoyretsamon|utb> gen, try # which alsamixer
[05:04] <gen> adoy: in what?
[05:04] <punkass> terminal
[05:04] <bborkk> Mencoder is the only reason I use Mplayer.
[05:04] <adoyretsamon|utb> terminal
[05:05] <punkass> what is mencoder for?
[05:05] <bborkk> desp: Did you install Mplayer as a .deb package or did you compile it yourself?
[05:05] <adoyretsamon|utb> punkass, check it out man
[05:05] <adoyretsamon|utb> its great
[05:05] <adoyretsamon|utb> decode DVDs, etc
[05:05] <adoyretsamon|utb> er to make AVIs
[05:05] <desp> bborkk: I made a .deb from the CVS sources using debian/rules
[05:05] <bborkk> punkass: I use it for stitching together images into movies.
[05:06] <punkass> ah i see
[05:06] <adoyretsamon|utb> bborkk, or the reverse
[05:06] <seek187> does anyone know what causes the hw_random FATAL error at bootup during hotplug ??? It makes my system not load sometimes!
[05:06] <stuNNed> is ubuntu in control of the gnoppix project nowadays?
[05:06] <bborkk> adoyretsamon|utb: True.  Seems like it can do just about anything if you know the right flags.
[05:06] <adoyretsamon|utb> bborkk, yea
[05:06] <adoyretsamon|utb> i found a new frontend
[05:06] <adoyretsamon|utb> yesterday
[05:06] <bborkk> what's that?
[05:07] <adoyretsamon|utb> on freshmeat
[05:07] <bborkk> which one?
[05:07] <adoyretsamon|utb> looking
[05:07] <bborkk> seek187: I have the same problem, but it doesn't prevent my system from loading.  I just ignore it.  :)
[05:08] <adoyretsamon|utb> http://freshmeat.net/projects/kmenc15/ - this is one...
[05:08] <Hikaru79> seek187, I've had the same problem since I first installed
[05:08] <adoyretsamon|utb> i know there's another
[05:08] <seek187> ok
[05:08] <Hikaru79> But again, doesn't affect my system in any way
[05:08] <Hikaru79> So I let it be
[05:08] <seek187> heh
[05:09] <seek187> I installed fedora but I don't really like it and I think i'll put ubuntu back on since that doesn't matter
[05:09] <icu> Has anyone installed the fglrx drivers off ati's site?
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> here http://it.geocities.com/fnt400/dvdkup/index.htm
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> DvdKup
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> great idea
[05:10] <bborkk> icu: nope, i just use the ones available in warty.
[05:10] <schifo> any tool to convert xvid to dvd format
[05:11] <schifo> so i can burn on dvd and play in dvd player
[05:11] <icu> bborkk: I did but ati released a new version today that is a huge improvement actually fixing graphical problems(doom 3 now works) rather than just adding support for new cards.
[05:12] <bborkk> icu: Ah, that changes everything.  Any luck?
[05:12] <wasabi> What was that apt source for xcompmgr?
[05:12] <icu> bborkk: Nope, I can't get it to compile even with both the kernel source and headers installed, says that there is something wrong with the kernel source
[05:12] <bborkk> Ugh.
[05:13] <bigt> i downloaded a rpm file how do you install it in ubuntu please?
[05:13] <wasabi> bigt, try to use alien.
[05:13] <wasabi> bigt, but, rpm files suck.
[05:13] <icu> cuase when you get the kernel source off ubuntu's mirrors the include dir doesn't even have a version.h in the include directory
[05:13] <bigt> just type apt-get install alien?
[05:13] <wasabi> it might already be installed.
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> bigt, yea
[05:13] <punkass> alien yourfile.rpm
[05:13] <gen> eh these sound problems are annoying
[05:13] <bigt> oh ok
[05:13] <bigt> one question
[05:14] <punkass> that will make a deb file
[05:14] <bigt> i marked samba for install but its already installed
[05:14] <punkass> which you can then install with dpkg -i yourfile.deb
[05:14] <bigt> so now when i go to to do my installs i always get a samba error now
[05:14] <bigt> is there a way to unmark it?
[05:14] <punkass> and you just right click it in synaptic and hit unmark
[05:14] <bigt> ok will try
[05:15] <bigt> thanks
[05:15] <punkass> np
[05:15] <seek187> Does warty get updated often?
[05:15] <GnuHippy> no only security related updates
[05:15] <wasabi> How does the amd64 version work? Is it multiarch?
[05:15] <seek187> ohhh
[05:15] <HrdwrBoB> wasabi: pure64
[05:16] <Lathiat> seek187: All work is being done in Hoary from now on
[05:16] <GnuHippy> no wasabi not yet
[05:16] <seek187> so how do you get like firefox 1.0 ?
[05:16] <wasabi> Okay. Is multiarch being worked on?
[05:16] <HrdwrBoB> wasabi: no
[05:16] <wasabi> And if so, which spec?
[05:16] <wasabi> =-( k
[05:16] <GnuHippy> they are adding greater compatibility in hoary
[05:16] <GnuHippy> I read it in the wiki
[05:17] <GnuHippy> everything that you can get for the i386 version you will be able to get for the amd64 version from the repository
[05:17] <bigt> what the heck is a sh file?
[05:18] <wasabi> a shell script.
[05:18] <gen> anyone know exactly what "esd" is
[05:18] <wasabi> yes
[05:18] <gen> when i "killall esd", it fixed my sound problems
[05:18] <HrdwrBoB> gen: the gnome sound daemon
[05:18] <wasabi> enlightenment sound daemon. It is a daemon which runs.
[05:18] <icu> enlightenment sound daemon
[05:18] <bigt> it says install-crossover-pro.3.0.0.sh
[05:18] <wasabi> And mixes multiple sound sources.
[05:18] <gen> i see
[05:18] <wasabi> Gnome right now requires it for gnome actions.
[05:18] <HrdwrBoB> bigt: run 'sh install-crossover-pro.3.0.0.sh'
[05:18] <wasabi> gen, your problem is you do not have a multichannel sound card.
[05:18] <bigt> so just type ./install.......
[05:18] <gen> theres a problem with it and alsa in hoary
[05:18] <wasabi> So esd uses your single channel.
[05:18] <bigt> ok let me try that
[05:18] <wasabi> No, it's your sound card.
[05:18] <gen> wasabi: this is true too
[05:18] <bigt> i'm learning so sorry to be a pest
[05:19] <gen> ok wasabi, but it worked fine in warty
[05:19] <wasabi> gen, dunno then. ;)
[05:19] <HrdwrBoB> bigt: or if it's executrable, you can use ./install ...
[05:19] <HrdwrBoB> bigt: that's ok
[05:19] <bigt> its working with the sh :)
[05:20] <HrdwrBoB> yeah both will work
[05:21] <bigt> what the hell it says must login as root i thought i was root i typed sudo -s
[05:21] <bigt> it says root@bigt:~
[05:22] <HrdwrBoB> that's .. odd
[05:22] <HrdwrBoB> oh, what's after the ~
[05:22] <wasabi> Where are the gstreamer plugins for mp3's?
[05:23] <bborkk> multiverse
[05:23] <jdub> wasabi: gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:23] <wasabi> and the other non-distributables.
[05:23] <wasabi> k
[05:23] <jdub> that one's in universe
[05:23] <bigt> hang ona  sec
[05:23] <bborkk> eh?
[05:23] <wasabi> i guess i don't understand multiverse
[05:23] <jdub> multiverse is non-free
[05:23] <wasabi> what, is it located offshore of the US or some stuff?
[05:23] <wasabi> ahh okay.
[05:23] <jdub> equivalent of contrib/non-free
[05:23] <jdub> universe is main
[05:23] <jdub> debian main
[05:23] <bigt> root@bigtony:~/.Azureus/downloads #
[05:23] <jdub> main == ubuntu supported
[05:24] <imnes> I'm using the amd64-k8 kernel I think I need to build the nvidia driver myself, but I'm getting an error in the installer about can't find configured kernel source, any ideas?
[05:24] <wasabi> There's another quesiton too. Is the amd64 bit kernel runnable with a 32 bit userspace?
[05:24] <wasabi> I never got around to trying a 64 bit kernel before... but if you guys have packages im all over it.
[05:25] <bigt> i got it
[05:25] <bigt> had to type su
[05:27] <gen> anyone know the latest discover package version
[05:29] <heavy> i have a new install and i'm running xchat now, evolution starts up, but i cannot get firefox to start
[05:29] <adoyretsamon|utb> hoary upgrade... lol Preconfiguring packages ...
[05:29] <adoyretsamon|utb> (Reading database ... 73818 files and directories currently installed.)
[05:30] <Lathiat> is that all? :)
[05:30] <adoyretsamon|utb> heavy, did you upgrade firefox?
[05:31] <heavy> adoyretsamon|utb, nope
[05:31] <adoyretsamon|utb> have not seen that error
[05:31] <adoyretsamon|utb> out of 20 installs
[05:31] <heavy> 0.99+1.0PR.1+revertedto0.9.3-0ubuntu3
[05:31] <heavy> rror: No running window found
[05:31] <heavy> auto selected locale: en-US
[05:32] <adoyretsamon|utb> follow directions on wiki
[05:32] <wasabi> How do I change the language to American? :)
[05:32] <adoyretsamon|utb> update using synaptic
[05:32] <wasabi> I can't stand Colour and Centred anymore. =/
[05:32] <adoyretsamon|utb> er, at login screen
[05:32] <bborkk> You just have to open the right dialogue.
[05:33] <adoyretsamon|utb> along the bar at the bottom of login screen
[05:34] <GammaRay> is there anyway to search in aptitude?
[05:34] <jjh>  /
[05:35] <GammaRay> thanks
[05:35] <jjh> np
[05:35] <gen> does anyone know the latest discover package
[05:35] <gen> v #
[05:36] <bigt> i assume you have to add firefox to cross over for shockwave sites to work ?
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> you already got it?
[05:37] <bigt> ok so i gues click on office setup
[05:37] <bigt> and then just add it?
[05:37] <gen> when i goto app->sys tools-> shares, and enter my root password it says its incorrect
[05:37] <bigt> yeah i got it to install
[05:37] <bigt> thanks for the help by the way guys
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> gen, no root password
[05:37] <gen> i leave it blank still wont let me in
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> sudo
[05:37] <Lathiat> gen: You need to type your password, not the root password
[05:38] <stuNNed> ok, i'm liking aptitude :)
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> right
[05:38] <gen> i typed mine
[05:38] <gen> im confusing myself because im tired
[05:38] <gen> but yea i typed mine to this account
[05:38] <gen> incorrect
[05:39] <Lathiat> umm well i dont have a shares so i cant try iot
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> capslock?
[05:39] <gen> nope
[05:39] <gen> OBVIOUSLY HURR
[05:39] <gen> :)
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:39] <tolstoy> has there been much pain installing the new xorg on hoary?
[05:39] <tolstoy> haven't seen anything on the mailing list
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> gen, you need some sleep
[05:39] <gen> nomasteryoda: i know :/
[05:39] <oddabe19> tolstoy, there was this morning, but it's great now
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> tolstoy: will know in about 30min here
[05:40] <gen> why can't i enter shares, arg ahoy
[05:40] <tolstoy> yeah, i shouldn't've put hoary on my only home desktop machine, but ah well.
[05:41] <gen> tolstoy: risk is fun
[05:41] <daculas> can i upgrade Warty to Hoary without reinstall all the systeM?
[05:41] <gen> daculas: yes
[05:41] <nomasteryoda> yes
[05:41] <tolstoy> yeap. I was thinking hoary was like debian unstable, not like rawhide.
[05:41] <oddabe19> i've had no problems really with hoary
[05:41] <gen> i had sound problems, now fixed
[05:41] <gen> and now no problems on hoary
[05:41] <wasabi> i wonder if they'res some sort of zeroconf spec for local static routes.
[05:41] <tolstoy> i had bad probs at work. newer machine, SMP, etc.  but it's okay here.  trash applet's broke.
[05:42] <daculas> so what's the basic operation should I take? I'm really new to ubuntu(or debian).
[05:42] <gen> i'm really new to linux, ubuntu being my first distro, and i got hoary 2 days after first install. risk is life.
[05:43] <nixman> anyone tell me how i can get my default gnome panels back ? i inadvertedly deleted the bottom one.
[05:43] <gen> well daculas
[05:43] <gen> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:43] <gen> change the warty strings
[05:43] <gen> to hoary
[05:43] <gen> save
[05:43] <daculas> then sudo apt-get update ?
[05:43] <GammaRay> nixman: I don't think you can delete all of them
[05:43] <gen> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:43] <bluewheel> i am using ppc, I was wondering if the cpu frequency scaling works in the default install, mine shows that it is supported but i can't get it lower than 100%
[05:44] <gen> then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:44] <bborkk> daculas: You can also do this through Synaptic.
[05:44] <bluewheel> anyone know ?
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> i also have the universe and multiverse and ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[05:44] <gen> bborkk: terminal is the funnest ya heard?
[05:44] <gen> funnest harr, ok im off to sleep
[05:44] <daculas> Thanks,gen
[05:44] <nixman> GammaRay, i deleted one of them. the bottom one. i just want to get it back
[05:44] <gen> daculas: np
[05:44] <daculas> snap time, cu all guys.
[05:45] <nixman> GammaRay, there is no configuration file that govern this ?
[05:45] <GammaRay> nixman: just add another panel and put the tasklist, showdesktop button and desktop pager on it
[05:45] <GammaRay> nixman: ~/.gconf
[05:45] <adoyretsamon|utb> gen
[05:46] <gen> yes adoy
[05:46] <adoyretsamon|utb> i get it too
[05:46] <adoyretsamon|utb> same error
[05:46] <adoyretsamon|utb> on shares
[05:46] <gen> yea doy, happened to me in warty too
[05:46] <gen> not sure why
[05:46] <GammaRay> is gnome-ppp in hoary? is anyone thinking out adding it? it's a pretty nice frontend for wvdial.
[05:47] <adoyretsamon|utb> gen
[05:47] <adoyretsamon|utb> let's try something
[05:47] <gen> ok adoy
[05:47] <GammaRay> -out +about
[05:47] <adoyretsamon|utb> $ sudo shares-admin
[05:47] <adoyretsamon|utb> that works
[05:47] <adoyretsamon|utb> menu must be broken
[05:48] <adoyretsamon|utb> still references the root account
[05:48] <gen> wow adoy
[05:48] <gen> <3
[05:48] <gen> marriage?
[05:48] <adoyretsamon|utb> lol
[05:48] <gen> does work, you're right.
[05:48] <bigt> crossover appears to be running very slow is there a way to control break it and start over ? its like its locked up
[05:48] <adoyretsamon|utb> might be a bug
[05:49] <adoyretsamon|utb> bigt,
[05:49] <adoyretsamon|utb> you can...
[05:49] <adoyretsamon|utb> but open console
[05:49] <adoyretsamon|utb> or terminal
[05:49] <adoyretsamon|utb> do a
[05:49] <bigt> well its laggin the system i can hardly move the mouse :(
[05:49] <adoyretsamon|utb> ps ax | grep cross
[05:49] <billytwowilly> wow. upgraded to xorg and no negative side effects other than loss of ati mobility radeon acceleration, which was expected. Nice.
[05:49] <adoyretsamon|utb> do a Ctrl+Alt+F2
[05:49] <adoyretsamon|utb> then login
[05:49] <adoyretsamon|utb> and run grep the ps list
[05:50] <adoyretsamon|utb> maybe just pkill crossover will work?
[05:50] <adoyretsamon|utb> er, pkill wine
[05:50] <adoyretsamon|utb> er, pkill wine-server
[05:50] <bigt> hang on
[05:50] <adoyretsamon|utb> i had to do this too
[05:50] <bigt> i'm doing as you type so if i don't reply thats why
[05:50] <adoyretsamon|utb> k
[05:51] <bigt> it says i hve new mail and crap but i get no prompt whats up with that
[05:52] <bigt> there i typed pkill wine-sever
[05:52] <adoyretsamon|utb> did it kill it
[05:52] <bigt> now resources are free at last :)
[05:52] <adoyretsamon|utb> ok
[05:52] <tolstoy> xorg stuff "just worked" for me, but I seem to be missing drop shadows and transparency.  hm.
[05:52] <tolstoy> :)
[05:52] <adoyretsamon|utb> make sure you close extra tasks
[05:52] <bigt> how di get out of this thing?
[05:52] <GnuHippy> why do they keep changing the colour scheme in xchat in hoary?
[05:52] <bigt> damn i hate being a noob
[05:52] <adoyretsamon|utb> bigt?
[05:53] <adoyretsamon|utb> out of what
[05:53] <Lathiat> tolstoy: do they need the composite extension: cus theyre disabled by default?
[05:53] <bigt> i'm at the console
[05:53] <bigt> isn't it exit
[05:53] <adoyretsamon|utb> Alt + F7
[05:53] <adoyretsamon|utb> ?
[05:53] <bigt> aww two commands i have to remember
[05:53] <bigt> great thanks
[05:53] <tolstoy> Lathiat, I know it's disabled. ;)  And I think I tried a version once: very slow on my poor old matrox.
[05:53] <Lathiat> heh
[05:53] <adoyretsamon|utb> To restart X, you can do this.... Ctrl+Alt+Bksp
[05:54] <bigt> x i what windows emulator?
[05:54] <adoyretsamon|utb> no
[05:54] <adoyretsamon|utb> that is the envrionment you are in
[05:54] <adoyretsamon|utb> Gnome runs on X
[05:54] <bigt> oh ok
[05:54] <adoyretsamon|utb> np
[05:54] <GnuHippy> x is the graphics subsystem for linux
[05:55] <adoyretsamon|utb> Ctrl+Alt+F1 or 2,...
[05:55] <bigt> i do appreciate your patience
[05:55] <adoyretsamon|utb> other terminals
[05:55] <adoyretsamon|utb> np
[05:55] <adoyretsamon|utb> like people moving to something better
[05:55] <adoyretsamon|utb> i have to patch too many winders systems all day long
[05:55] <bigt> yeah it seems better
[05:55] <Mojo_Jojo> ahhh what a night :D
[05:55] <seek187> how do I setup my fstab to mount my windows partition without being root?
[05:55] <adoyretsamon|utb> i love linux...
[05:55] <bigt> just kickin my ass configuring it
[05:56] <adoyretsamon|utb> how long have you had it running
[05:56] <adoyretsamon|utb> or have you used it?
[05:56] <tolstoy> Yikes! Broken synaptic, with horrible spelling in the message!
[05:56] <bigt> 2 days now
[05:56] <adoyretsamon|utb> wow
[05:56] <bigt> learning alot though
[05:56] <adoyretsamon|utb> will be partly old hat in a few weeks
[05:56] <bigt> had to figure out how to get my drives running
[05:56] <bigt> and all that
[05:56] <adoyretsamon|utb> our site has some info on Ubuntu ... mgalug.org
[05:56] <bigt> old hat?
[05:56] <adoyretsamon|utb> yea
[05:56] <adoyretsamon|utb> not a pro
[05:56] <bigt> whats that mean sorry
[05:57] <adoyretsamon|utb> but second nature
[05:57] <adoyretsamon|utb> lol
[05:57] <bigt> oh got you
[05:57] <bigt> damn its almost identical to windows
[05:57] <bigt> except it runs better :)
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> no
[05:57] <bigt> my old p3 450
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> only looks
[05:57] <bigt> runs faster
[05:57] <bigt> than it ever has
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> you were using XPeee
[05:58] <bigt> i'm talking about fast
[05:58] <bigt> haha
[05:58] <bigt> i was bout to throw it away
[05:58] <bborkk> Anyone here use matplotlib?
[05:59] <tolstoy> wow.  Nautilus is major broken after today's update.  Hm.
[06:00] <stuNNed> how do i tell which package owns a file in ubuntooz?
[06:01] <stuNNed> n/m figured it out, dpkg -S
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:01] <LifesizeKenDoll> tolstoy: how is Nautilus broken?
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> bigt: lots of stuff kinda flows this way in Linux
[06:02] <RageMax> has anyone tried to use the xcomposite extension in hoary?
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> like stuNNed's solution
[06:02] <tolstoy> LifesizeKenDoll, very, very slow
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> bigt, if you want to know the most useful tip for Linux... get to know the terminal/console
[06:03] <britt_radiofree> RageMax, yes
[06:03] <britt_radiofree> tolstoy, howso? I had a problem as well ... might be the same.
[06:03] <adoyretsamon|utb> will be restarting soon
[06:04] <RageMax> britt_radiofree: it's loaded, but it doesn't seem to be functioning
[06:04] <RageMax> I can't really test it either because of the lack of xcompmgr
[06:04] <adoyretsamon|utb> finally got my 600+ packages installed with a Default upgrade to hoary
[06:04] <tolstoy> britt_radiofree, I've set it to single click to open, it takes a long time for that to happen.
[06:04] <tolstoy> britt_radiofree, right-click menu seems to take its time
[06:05] <adoyretsamon|utb> maybe i need to install my philips/conexant based TV tuner
[06:05] <britt_radiofree> RageMax, sec ... there is a deb src for xcompmgr ... gotta dig i tup
[06:05] <adoyretsamon|utb> between boots
[06:05] <britt_radiofree> tolstoy, try apt-get install gamin
[06:05] <britt_radiofree> see if that fixes things
[06:05] <bigt> adoy: noob question how do i determine where mozilla is installed on my system?
[06:05] <bigt> the flash player is asking for the install dir
[06:06] <adoyretsamon|utb> which mozilla
[06:06] <adoyretsamon|utb> type in terminal
[06:06] <bigt> firefox
[06:06] <tolstoy> britt_radiofree, that did the trick.
[06:06] <adoyretsamon|utb> ok
[06:06] <tolstoy> britt_radiofree, i knew there was going to be an update, thought it was automatic. ;)
[06:06] <adoyretsamon|utb> command is "which firefox
[06:06] <adoyretsamon|utb> command is "which firefox"
[06:06] <bigt> haha
[06:06] <bigt> damn i like that
[06:07] <bigt> thanks
[06:07] <adoyretsamon|utb> bigt, try this
[06:07] <adoyretsamon|utb> apropos moz
[06:07] <bezak> are any of you guys PPC users?
[06:07] <stuNNed> does Ubuntu use NPTL in glibc?
[06:07] <adoyretsamon|utb> i have one,but it is too slow for ubuntu
[06:07] <britt_radiofree> tolstoy, yeah i'm not sure why that didn't get installed by default. I'm not that familiar with FAM though ... if anyone want's to explain or point towards some docs
[06:08] <bigt> ok
[06:08] <tolstoy> britt_radiofree, well, that's the quirks of apt-get, i bet.
[06:08] <bigt> it says /usr/bin/firefox
[06:08] <bigt> but when i type that it says invalid directory
[06:08] <adoyretsamon|utb> ok
[06:09] <britt_radiofree> tolstoy, well the xorg stuff is still very new and in testing, so ... :)
[06:09] <bigt> aww so maybe just usr/bin
[06:09] <bigt> cause firefox is the application
[06:10] <adoyretsamon|utb> yea if you type firefox
[06:10] <britt_radiofree> RageMax, http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xcompmgr
[06:10] <adoyretsamon|utb> your bash command interpreter
[06:10] <adoyretsamon|utb> looks for the file in the path
[06:10] <bigt> what the hell this thing doesn't like me at all
[06:10] <RageMax> britt_radiofree: thanks
[06:10] <britt_radiofree> RageMax, no problemo
[06:10] <adoyretsamon|utb> did you just type firefox in a terminal
[06:10] <bigt> it says please enter the installation path of the mozilla, netscape or opera browser
[06:11] <bigt> yeah i typed which firefox
[06:11] <adoyretsamon|utb> bigt, try
[06:12] <tolstoy> britt_radiofree, yeap. I ain't complainin.  So far, it's working great, or indistinguishable from the previous: but it does seem a bit snappier. Like painting a racing stripe on your car.
[06:12] <bigt> ?
[06:12] <adoyretsamon|utb> just sec
[06:12] <bigt> k
[06:12] <seek187> How do I get Rhythem box to play mp3s?
[06:13] <bigt> gstreamer has to be installed i believe
[06:13] <Lathiat> more to the point, gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:13] <seek187> hmm I thought it was
[06:13] <seek187> ah ok
[06:13] <seek187> thx
[06:13] <Lathiat> which is in universe
[06:13] <seek187> k
[06:14] <adoyretsamon|utb> bigt,
[06:14] <bigt> np
[06:14] <bigt> yeah
[06:14] <adoyretsamon|utb> what did "apropos firefox" return
[06:14] <bigt> hang on will have to type it
[06:14] <bezak> bigt: theres a multimedia tutorial like first hit on google
[06:15] <adoyretsamon|utb> bigt
[06:15] <adoyretsamon|utb> not type
[06:15] <adoyretsamon|utb> take mouse
[06:15] <bigt> i know
[06:15] <adoyretsamon|utb> drag over text
[06:15] <bigt> cut paste
[06:15] <adoyretsamon|utb> then
[06:15] <bigt> i'm not on a linux box :)
[06:15] <adoyretsamon|utb> middle click
[06:15] <adoyretsamon|utb> ok
[06:15] <adoyretsamon|utb> i see
[06:15] <bigt> i'm typing to you on windows :)
[06:15] <adoyretsamon|utb> ack
[06:15] <adoyretsamon|utb> i forgot
[06:15] <bigt> setting up linux
[06:15] <adoyretsamon|utb> late
[06:15] <adoyretsamon|utb> yup
[06:15] <bigt> but hang on
[06:15] <bigt> i will login to here with linux
[06:16] <adoyretsamon|utb> bigt, so it does have network connection?
[06:16] <adoyretsamon|utb> good
[06:16] <adoyretsamon|utb> run
[06:16] <adoyretsamon|utb> sudo synaptic
[06:16] <bigtony> ok
[06:16] <adoyretsamon|utb> and update package list
[06:17] <adoyretsamon|utb> then search for firefox
[06:17] <adoyretsamon|utb> and mozilla
[06:20] <Cube-ness> is there something special i have to do to get xorg? i just updated to hoary
[06:24] <defendguin> hey im trying to log into my other box via ssh and even though sshd is running on that box i cant connect
[06:24] <Pizbit> firewall?
[06:24] <defendguin> i nmapped the box and it says all 1000 something ports are blocked
[06:25] <Pizbit> You'll need to open up the ssh port then
[06:25] <defendguin> i checked iptables it says the firewall is stopped
[06:25] <wasabi> There any plans for a more decent Java system? Perhaps a global "default VM" option of some sort.
[06:26] <wasabi> Gentoo has some working stuff. Debian's java-package is a bit lacking.
[06:26] <nixman> is mozplugger still available ?
[06:26] <bborkk> I thought that was what Python was for.  :)
[06:27] <hypa7ia> nixman: i'm using it
[06:28] <nixman> hypa7ia, i cant install it for the life of me. is it not supposed to be in the std repository ?
[06:29] <nixman> hypa7ia, i have universe and multiverse in my apt/source
[06:32] <seek187> Ok is there anyway to get Firefox 1.0 installed?
[06:32] <Rene_S> Yeah download it and run the installer
[06:32] <Rene_S> I removed the deb file before I installed it
[06:32] <seek187> ok
[06:32] <Rene_S> You need to make menu entries
[06:33] <seek187> So I have to do that for any new software that there is??
[06:33] <Rene_S> It doesn't happen automagically
[06:33] <Rene_S> No just some things
[06:33] <nixman> hypa7ia, how did you install mozplugger ?
[06:33] <seek187> There no alternative repositories?
[06:33] <seek187> ok
[06:33] <Rene_S> No one has make a deb yet that I know off, but I could be wrong
[06:34] <defendguin> whats responsible for setting up all the ports on a linux box?
[06:34] <HrdwrBoB> defendguin: you
[06:35] <defendguin> HrdwrBoB, i know i dont have a firewall running but all the ports are closed
[06:36] <Lathiat> defendguin: Each program does it for itself
[06:36] <Lathiat> defendguin: perhaps your ISP has you firewalled or you are using a DSL/cable router that isnt NATting the port accesses
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> defendguin: correct
[06:36] <HrdwrBoB> defendguin: there are no ports open by default in ubuntu
[06:36] <defendguin> no the other box is a fedora core 2 box
[06:37] <defendguin> i have a router between my ubuntu box and the fc2 box
[06:37] <Lathiat> Well then thisisnt the place for help with fedora, nor your router :)
[06:37] <Rene_S> Woot, I think my wife finally left me
[06:37] <bborkk> Good news?
[06:37] <Pizbit> o_O?
[06:37] <defendguin> i know i was just asking general non distro specific questions
[06:37] <bezak> is mplayer in the universe repository?
[06:37] <Pizbit> bezak: no
[06:38] <bborkk> bezak: multiverse look for mplayer-custom or some such
[06:38] <Pizbit> bezak: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:38] <seek187> that was easy :)
[06:38] <Pizbit> Rene_S: And if she does come home?
[06:39] <bborkk> Rene_S: At least you have Ubuntu.
[06:39] <bezak> Pizbit: oh ok I thought that wouldn't apply to the player thats ok
[06:39] <Rene_S> Then I am gonna run like a Mother*&^%$#@
[06:39] <bezak> i'm downloading ubuntu now to install on the iMac hopefully everything works :P
[06:40] <Rene_S> How does one do the specific message chat thing in Xchat
[06:40] <bborkk> just type in the nic
[06:40] <Rene_S> Rene_S hi
[06:40] <Pizbit> Rene_S: You're not being very specific:)
[06:41] <bborkk> example: your name is Rene_S, so this should be highlighted.
[06:41] <Rene_S> Ok, try this I wanna know why my name is in red when you nice folks chat at me
[06:41] <bborkk> It's the devil.
[06:41] <Pizbit> Rene_S: Type the first few letters of their nick then hit tab.
[06:41] <Rene_S> bborkk, ah
[06:41] <bborkk> Or maybe you're Republican.
[06:42] <Rene_S> Can't Be ....
[06:42] <Rene_S> I AM CANADIAN !!!
[06:42] <Rene_S> hehe
[06:42] <The_Great_Mojo_J> I AM DRUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:42] <The_Great_Mojo_J> :P
[06:42] <bborkk> I always suspected Canadians were Republicans.
[06:42] <Treenaks> people, please keep it on-topic.
[06:42] <Treenaks> Political discussions should be in #politics
[06:42] <bborkk> Treenaks: Hey, we're talking about the Ubuntuness of the world.
[06:43] <Rene_S> ?
[06:43] <The_Great_Mojo_J> ...is that what the topic was haha
[06:43] <Rene_S> I was doing a Molson Canadian Beer ad
[06:43] <GotD0t> i have a BIG problem.... 5.6GB of my partition is unaccounted for
[06:43] <Pizbit> Rene_S: Consumer whore :D
[06:43] <Rene_S> Np, I have 5.6gb more on mine
[06:44] <bborkk> Speaking of which, any governments picking up on Ubuntu yet?
[06:44] <Rene_S> Who knows, maybe in time
[06:45] <bborkk> Treenaks?  Anyone famous (govs, movie stars, criminals) using Ubuntu yet?
[06:45] <Rene_S> Hmmm, hope the wife didn't wreck the car
[06:46] <Treenaks> bborkk: well, Mark Shuttleworth, apparently ;)
[06:46] <bborkk> Heh.
[06:46] <Lathiat> hmm
[06:47] <Lathiat> for me x-window-system-core was held back from upgrading
[06:47] <Lathiat> had to force it
[06:47] <britt_radiofree> Lathiat, apt-get install xserver-xorg
[06:47] <Lathiat> i just went apt-get install x-window-system-core and it did the magic
[06:47] <Lathiat> just wonder why it was held back in an ugprade
[06:47] <bezak> where do i get the non-free packages from guys is there a good repository?
[06:47] <Lathiat> bezak: "multiverse"
[06:47] <bezak> (i need ppc btw)
[06:47] <Lathiat> bezak: just like universe
[06:47] <Rene_S> Mark who ?
[06:48] <britt_radiofree> Lathiat, that didn't fix everything on mine ... but yeah just doing dist-upgrade doesn't handle all deps perfectly yet
[06:48] <Lathiat> cept it has non-free adn contrib in it
[06:48] <bezak> Lathiat: thanks
[06:48] <Lathiat> bezak: you want universe as well tho, so dont remove that
[06:48] <bborkk> Rene_S: Famous Tongan soccer player busted for cava abuse.
[06:48] <Lathiat> see hwo it is in xorg
[06:48] <Treenaks> Lathiat: maybe the kernel driver doesn't quite know how to suspend properly?
[06:49] <Rene_S> Ah, no idea, not up on Tongan's unless they wrestle or have 575 million dollars in there bank accounts
[06:49] <Lathiat> it did work a couple times, so it might be a bug in the resume code yeh
[06:49] <bborkk> Rene_S: Either that or billionaire IT Ubuntu backer.
[06:50] <Rene_S> bborkk, Didnt think he was a Billionaire yet
[06:50] <seek187> Where do I put the firefox folder after I ran the installer???
[06:50] <bborkk> Rene_S: Anyone with more money than they can fit in their wallet is a billionaire in my book.
[06:50] <AlohaWolf> how does one get java working under Mozilla?
[06:50] <Rene_S> seek187, wherever you like, I left mine in /home/funkydude/
[06:51] <seek187> ok
[06:51] <bborkk> AlohaWolf: Check the plugins FAQ on mozilla.org.
[06:53] <Lathiat> anyone using composite in xorg?
[06:53] <nixman> someone plz tell me if http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=13859#post13859 is erroneous. i am not able to install mozplugger. it says it cannot find it.
[06:53] <Lathiat> I added the config daniels said in his emails but it tells me that Enabled isnt a valid option fo rhte extensions section
[06:53] <Rene_S> nah, i read the instructions and the part where the guy said it was slow and buggy
[06:54] <Lathiat> yeh but i play with things :)
[06:54] <Rene_S> I can handle buggy, but slow I cant deal with
[06:55] <seek187> ok got that taken care of now for java
[06:56] <Rene_S> seek187, On the wiki there are instructions
[06:56] <seek187> ok
[06:57] <bborkk> nixman: mozplugger doesn't appear to be in ubuntu, at least that i can find.  however, it is available in debian unstable, as evidenced by searching the packages.debian.org page.  try adding another repository.
[06:58] <Lowry> hi
[06:58] <bezak> have any of you guys had experievce with ROX-filer?
[06:58] <bborkk> nixman: that said, you should be careful to only take packages you need from other repositories and not perform upgrades from them unless you know what you are doing.
[06:58] <bezak> or should i just use nautilus
[06:59] <Rene_S> I just use N personally
[07:00] <Rene_S> Only played with Rox once
[07:00] <GammaRay> bezak: it's quite good, worth a try
[07:00] <SuperL4g> any of you guys playing with Hoary yet?
[07:01] <Lathiat> damnit
[07:01] <Lathiat> xorg broke :)
[07:01] <Rene_S> Yes
[07:01] <Lathiat> breaks my keyboard too in console mode
[07:01] <Lathiat> (this is without composite)
[07:01] <bezak> yeah I used to have kde on my old x86 box and konqueror is too feature packed, rox seems small and simple
[07:01] <SuperL4g> Rene_S, how do you like it, thus far?
[07:01] <gen> superl4g: yea im on hoary
[07:01] <Rene_S> SuperL4g, Its ok, not as bad as I thought
[07:02] <gen> i had sound problems, but i worked them out
[07:02] <gen> running fine so far
[07:02] <Rene_S> SuperL4g, last upgrade it forgot to install the gnome panel but that was fixable
[07:02] <SuperL4g> Rene_S, what issues have you seen, so far?
[07:02] <shashi> hello, a friend of mine has enabled root on my ubuntu installation, how to undo it?
[07:03] <Rene_S> SuperL4g, fam is a thing of the past so ya need to install gamin or else its like pulling teeth
[07:03] <Rene_S> SuperL4g, things sloow down
[07:03] <SuperL4g> I'm not familiar with fam.
[07:03] <gen> rene_s: not for me
[07:03] <SuperL4g> Rene_S: so it's slower than warty?
[07:03] <gen> no super
[07:03] <Rene_S> No, not really
[07:04] <Rene_S> Just earlier it had an issue because of a missing file
[07:04] <Lowry> Upgrading to hoary - I am getting between 18-35 kB/s Is this normal?
[07:04] <gen> lowry: thats low
[07:04] <gen> i was pulling 200+ consistantly
[07:05] <Lowry> I am on cable - but via ethernet to a g4
[07:05] <Rene_S> SuperL4g, Evolution at least for me is wacked out
[07:05] <Rene_S> SuperL4g, refused to send emails so I am gonna use thunderbird for now
[07:06] <nixman> bborkk, i uncommented universe and it all seems fine. i still have no idea what the effects of upgrade would be.
[07:07] <Rene_S> I hope they put the services-admin thing back into system tools
[07:07] <Lowry> X.org would be included?
[07:07] <Lathiat> hmm x.org doesnt work if your using the synaptics driver
[07:07] <Lathiat> cus it doesnt have one and the config migration breaks :0
[07:08] <Lathiat> :) rather
[07:08] <bezak> does ubuntu have a control panel for admin stuff ala the drak tools in mandrake, or am i going to be getting my hands dirty in the text files
[07:08] <Lathiat> bezak: computer -> system tools
[07:08] <bezak> are they ubuntu native, or borrowed from somewhere else and are they nice to use?
[07:09] <Lathiat> They are the gnome system tools
[07:09] <Lathiat> i love them
[07:09] <bezak> oh ok sweet
[07:09] <bezak> im a complete gnome noob
[07:09] <bezak> haha
[07:10] <Lowry> Can ubuntu boot from firewire on ppc?
[07:11] <WW> Lathiat: Are you running hoary?
[07:11] <Lathiat> ww: yar
[07:12] <WW> Lathiat: I figured.  I don't have Computer -> System Tools
[07:12] <Lathiat> oh
[07:12] <Lathiat> the computer menu
[07:12] <Lathiat> not the desktop item
[07:12] <Rene_S> System Configuration
[07:12] <WW> Lathiat: Ah, it's Applications -> System Tools
[07:12] <Lathiat> theres also desktop preferences, depending on what your trying to do
[07:12] <Lathiat> Rene_S: oh right, my bad
[07:12] <Lathiat> i wasnt looking at it
[07:12] <Lathiat> was fixing my broken xorg :)
[07:13] <Rene_S> There used to be on for services or runlevels whichever ya prefer
[07:13] <Rene_S> Wow, the internet has killed my spelling
[07:14] <Lathiat> gah now my panel got all messed up
[07:14] <WW> Rene_S: rite, u ment witchever
[07:15] <Rene_S> WW, heheh ok
[07:15] <SuperL4g> Lathiat: I don't know if what applies in Gentoo applies here, but for Gentoo, we have to use the _external_ synaptics driver for it to work
[07:15] <hypa7ia> I HAVE WIFI!!!!!
[07:15] <Rene_S> I HAVE 8TRACK
[07:15] <HrdwrBoB> I got some bluetooth dongles that I bid for ina fit of craziness
[07:15] <hypa7ia> lol Rene_S
[07:15] <gen> I HAVE A TAPE DECK > *
[07:15] <HrdwrBoB> and the drivers load
[07:16] <WW> I gotta rock
[07:16] <hypa7ia> SuperL4g: synaptics tablet drivers?
[07:16] <Rene_S> I got a funky radio that is shapped like an oil filter i got when i was 13
[07:16] <SuperL4g> OKay.... too early for Hoary, but now I'm getting errors when I try to apt-get update
[07:16] <SuperL4g> hypa7ia: yep
[07:16] <gen> errors like what
[07:17] <hypa7ia> SuperL4g: mine worked out of the box in warty, did it break on upgrade to hoary?
[07:17] <gen> my hoary upgrade was smooth
[07:17] <davyd> where's my xcompmgr ?!?!
[07:17] <gen> ?!?!?!
[07:17] <Lathiat> i had to wget the package
[07:18] <Lathiat> the Packages files wrong
[07:18] <SuperL4g> gen: I didn't proceed, but hold on, I'll put it on my web server
[07:18] <Lathiat> dpkg -i it
[07:18] <Rene_S> I went from the CD right to Hoary, only stopped in Warty to pin Kaffeine
[07:18] <Lathiat> then apt-get -f install
[07:18] <Lathiat> to get the rest :)
[07:18] <Lathiat> but the hints to add to the config file didnt work for me
[07:18] <gen> superl4g: you'll put what on your webserver
[07:18] <Lathiat> tells me Enabled isnt a valid option
[07:18] <gen> the error?
[07:19] <Lowry> 16kB/sec
[07:19] <gen> haha
[07:19] <davyd> Lathiat: you're talking to me?
[07:19] <Lathiat> yar
[07:20] <seek187> geeze some of these pages in firefox the letters are soooooo small
[07:20] <davyd> hmm, is it going to get turned on by default at some point?
[07:20] <SuperL4g> gen: the errors
[07:20] <Lathiat> i also had to munge my config file cus the synaptics and xtt modules didnt exist that migrated, but it sounds like your xorg is working already
[07:20] <SuperL4g> gen: www.linuxlooney.com/aptgeterrors
[07:20] <Lathiat> davyd: well apparently its too slow and buggy at the moment, did you read the email daniel sent out?
[07:20] <MikeSander> Hello
[07:20] <davyd> Lathiat: don't think so
[07:20] <Lathiat> let me bounce it to you
[07:20] <MikeSander> I'm after a bit of assistance with ClamAV
[07:20] <davyd> Lathiat: cool thanks
[07:20] <Lathiat> done
[07:21] <Lathiat> blah@madel....id.au
[07:21] <davyd> hmm, perhaps I should turn it on, and then teach gnome-terminal and panel to use it if it's available
[07:21] <MikeSander> I got it using synaptic - which has clam version 0.73
[07:21] <MikeSander> The latest version is 0.8 and it won't do an automatic update without it - too old version
[07:21] <MikeSander> is anyone able to assist?
[07:22] <MikeSander> main problem, is that compiling from source will install to the wrong directories to the ubuntu package
[07:22] <Rene_S> maybe prefix=/path/path ?
[07:23] <Rene_S> not sure how the prefix command works
[07:23] <HrdwrBoB> davyd: http://kaos.vicnet.net.au/ubuntu has a transset deb
[07:23] <HrdwrBoB> gnome-terminal in ubuntu does not support it
[07:23] <HrdwrBoB> xcompmgr crashes
[07:23] <davyd> HrdwrBoB: I'm aware it doesn't
[07:23] <HrdwrBoB> and it's slow as hell
[07:23] <davyd> HrdwrBoB: that is something that should be fixed
[07:24] <davyd> I have been informed Konsole now can do translucency via composite
[07:24] <davyd> don't want to be behind the 8ball
[07:24] <davyd> Lathiat: how are exams?
[07:24] <MikeSander> Thankyou anyone Rene_S has anyone else got any ideas on ClamAV
[07:24] <gen> will ff1.0 come up in synaptic eventually
[07:25] <Lathiat> davyd: crap
[07:25] <Lathiat> i think i passed physics
[07:25] <Lathiat> big question i missede tho
[07:25] <Rene_S> gen, cant see why it wouldn't
[07:25] <Lathiat> english exam is tomorrow :9
[07:25] <Lathiat> :(
[07:25] <davyd> Lathiat: remember scaling ;)
[07:25] <davyd> Lathiat: yeah, I think my brother has english tomorrow
[07:25] <davyd> something else too I think
[07:26] <Lathiat> two exams in one day? unlucky
[07:26] <davyd> hmm, maybe that's Friday
[07:26] <Lathiat> only 150 or so students out of all the TEE sitters have two in one day
[07:26] <SuperL4g> gen: you see those error messages?
[07:26] <SuperL4g> gen: I figured rerunning apt-setup would fix the issue, but it doesn't
[07:26] <gen> what error messages
 gen: www.linuxlooney.com/aptgeterrors
[07:28] <gen> let's see your sources.list
[07:28] <SuperL4g> gen: what I did was s/warty/hoary in sources.list, apt-get update, changed my mind, and switched back to warty.
[07:29] <gen> switched back?
[07:29] <SuperL4g> yeah
[07:30] <SuperL4g> I never actually performed the upgrade
[07:30] <gen> so whats the question if you dont want hoary
[07:30] <SuperL4g> I cannot run an update now, without getting those errors.
[07:30] <Lathiat> hmmm.. are we supposd to file hoary bugs in bugzilla?
[07:31] <gen> do you have multiverse or universe enablked
[07:31] <gen> enabled*
[07:31] <Lathiat> seems to be no option for watrty/hoary and it sent my bug to warty-bugs@blah when i submitted it
[07:31] <Rene_S> Hmm i am confused how in the world does gnome system monitor take up 18.2 mb of mem when i just opened it ?
[07:31] <SuperL4g> gen: same domain /sources.list
[07:32] <gen> SuperL4g: i really don't know why those erros would be occuring
[07:34] <AlohaWolf> has anyone here managed to get java working in mozilla?
[07:34] <deFrysk> AlohaWolf, everyone here has managed that
[07:34] <hypa7ia> Rene_S: top :-(
[07:35] <Rene_S> hypa7ia, bottom :)
[07:35] <AlohaWolf> well.. I followed the peachy little directions, and everytime I navigate to a page that has Java on it in mozilla, mozilla promptly crashes
[07:35] <Rene_S> hypa7ia, hehe
[07:35] <GammaRay> Rene_S: top isn't accurate.. try xrestop
[07:36] <Rene_S> command not found ;(
[07:37] <Rene_S> top worked though
[07:37] <hypa7ia> Rene_S: side?
[07:37] <Rene_S> hypa7ia, back
[07:37] <GammaRay> well shucks.. it seems you are defeated
[07:37] <GammaRay> probably should give up
[07:37] <SuperL4g> How can I basically dump the existing apt config and start over?
[07:37] <SuperL4g> apt-setup alone isn't fixing the issue
[07:38] <Rene_S> Yep gonna go back and apologize to Uncle Billy and ask for his forgivness
[07:38] <SuperL4g> got it.
[07:39] <Rene_S> hehe I got 0 zombies on my computer.
[07:45] <MikeSander> exir
[07:46] <nomasteryoda> bigtony:
[07:46] <nomasteryoda> hey
[07:46] <nomasteryoda> over here
[07:50] <SuperL4g> any of you guys run KDE on your Ubuntu boxen?
[07:50] <nomasteryoda> bigtony:
[07:51] <Rene_S> Nope, just a couple of apps that use kde libs
[07:51] <hypa7ia> ibid.  just Scribus, at the moment.
[07:52] <Rene_S> Kaffeine and Apollon for me
[07:54] <adoyretsamon|utb> bigtony, going on hoary
[07:55] <adoyretsamon|utb> nice
[07:56] <punkass> where would i find the xcompmgr for xorg?
[07:59] <bezak> who decides that the plural of box is boxen?
[08:01] <ubll> bezak, some nerd :>
[08:01] <punkass> my rhythmbox decided not to work after an update to hoary..anyone else run into the same thing?
[08:01] <bezak> ubll: lol it just seems rediculous to me the plural of box is obv. boxes
[08:02] <hypa7ia> noooooo
[08:02] <hypa7ia> it's totally boxen
[08:02] <hypa7ia> :-)
[08:02] <ubll> lol
[08:02] <bezak> hypa7ia: what is that german or some shit haha :)
[08:02] <hypa7ia> ox:oxen::box:boxen
[08:02] <hypa7ia> lols
[08:03] <hypa7ia> hey, i got 800 on the verbal SAT.  i say it goes!
[08:03] <hypa7ia> mwahahaha
[08:03] <Rene_S> Hmm German should never be compared  to some shit .... its just not nice
[08:03] <bezak> haha i dont even know what an SAT is
[08:03] <bezak> in german plurals are usually formed by adding -en to the end of singular nouns
[08:04] <bezak> so box, would be boxen
[08:04] <hypa7ia> bezak: a stupid standardized test that middle class white kids do best on.  it's pretty worthless, but american college admissions are totally based on it.
[08:04] <hypa7ia> hah, cool
[08:04] <bezak> hypa7is: is that some shit like a cow is to a sheep like a car is to truck that stuff? *shows complete ignorance of US education system*
[08:05] <daniels> davyd: pong
[08:05] <Lathiat> daniels: boo
[08:05] <SuperL4g> any .debs for Firefox 1.0? :)
[08:05] <Lathiat> daniels: your packages file for xcompmgre is b0rked
[08:05] <davyd> daniels: hey!
[08:05] <hypa7ia> bezak: yeah, similar, it's like an IQ test.
[08:05] <hypa7ia> thus the blatant bias
[08:05] <hypa7ia> :-(
[08:05] <bezak> haha cool
[08:05] <hypa7ia> luckily up here it means nothing :-)
[08:06] <bezak> sweetness
[08:06] <hypa7ia> where are you at bezak?
[08:06] <bezak> melBORN
[08:06] <bezak> haah aus
[08:06] <daniels> Lathiat: in what way?
[08:06] <hypa7ia> cool!
[08:06] <Rene_S> Canada is not up here
[08:06] <Lathiat> well it couldnt find the package when it went to download it, so i assume its giving it the wrong URL
[08:07] <daniels> Lathiat: 'deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/' worked for me
[08:07] <Lathiat> ohhh
[08:07] <daniels> note that this is entirely different from deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xcompmgr/ ./
[08:07] <Lathiat> i did /xcompmgr/ ./
[08:07] <Rene_S> We left and went to Europe, and we are taking Alaska with us
[08:07] <Lathiat> rightio :)
[08:07] <daniels> yeah, don't do that
[08:07] <hypa7ia> Rene_S: hey, i'm north of you still :-)
[08:07] <hypa7ia> hey that;s my joke!
[08:07] <Lowry> what version of firefox is on horay?
[08:07] <Lathiat> also when i add the lines to load the compsite extension
[08:07] <davyd> Lowry: rc1 I think
[08:07] <Lathiat> X dribbles and says that Enabled isnt a valid option for that section
[08:08] <bezak> ive got an 80 gig hdd how much should i give linux (main system) and how much mac os x (for when shit wont work in linux) im thinkin 60/20 what do you guys think? anyone used Mac On Linux?
[08:08] <Rene_S> I should read up on gstreamers, no idea what they are
[08:09] <Lathiat> Rene_S: gstreamer is a library that provides audio/video playback/etc support
[08:09] <Lathiat> encoding, decoding, playing, streaming, etc
[08:09] <Rene_S> Lathiat, awww you wrecked my late night reading hehe, thanks for the info
[08:10] <Lathiat> Rene_S: oh thats only just a basic description, it does lots of cool stuff and more than that
[08:10] <Lathiat> its fun to play with
[08:10] <hypa7ia> bezak: i have an 80 gigger and kept 10 for winblows
[08:10] <Lathiat> especially the video effects
[08:10] <bezak> hypa7ia: yeah i think mac os x is a bit more of a hdd hog
[08:10] <Rene_S> My current dilema of the day is how to add a xmms skin to Beep Media Player
[08:10] <hypa7ia> well, my mac install was about 2 gigs
[08:10] <hypa7ia> when i had a mac *cries*
[08:11] <hypa7ia> bezak: go with 15 maybe?
[08:11] <ubll> Anyone tried PearPC lately?
[08:11] <bezak> is there any dvd compression software, like to fit dual layer dvds on a standard single layer dvd
[08:11] <bezak> hypa7ia: yeah sounds good
[08:11] <punkass> daniels: is this what i need to get transparencies etc working: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[08:11] <hypa7ia> ubll: no, but i hear CherryOS is mighty tasty :-p
[08:12] <punkass> ubll: i have, just install tiger on it
[08:12] <ubll> CherryOS eh?
[08:12] <hypa7ia> ubll: it was a scam...
[08:12] <punkass> well tiger beta
[08:12] <hypa7ia> long story.
[08:13] <Rene_S> I broke CherryOS when I was single and unmarried
[08:13] <ubll> XD
[08:13] <Lowry> I would give os x 10+
[08:14] <Lathiat> daniels: Any idea on the valid option thing?
[08:14] <daniels> Lathiat: s/Enabled/Enable/
[08:14] <daniels> punkass: yeah, then run xcompmgr
[08:15] <punkass> got it..thanks
[08:15] <Rene_S> hmm so technically PearPC is a mac emulator that will let me run Darwin
[08:15] <punkass> i have composite enable and everything seems fine..nothing is slow (yet)
[08:15] <hypa7ia> Rene_S: yup
[08:15] <Lathiat> daniels: ah right
[08:15] <Lowry> like power pc
[08:15] <bezak> Lowry: yeah not under 10
[08:16] <Rene_S> So this works on x86 boxes ?
[08:16] <bezak> Rene_S: no itll let you run Mac OS X
[08:16] <bezak> Rene-S: you can run darwin native on x86
[08:16] <Lowry> like a ppc chip but slow
[08:16] <Rene_S> Ahh I get it VMware for OSX
[08:17] <phin> hey,  i have the new xorg installed from hoary, how do i get xcompmgr and transset?  do i needs to compile them myself?
[08:17] <punkass> lol..ok running  xcompmgr -cfF makes it slow...doh
[08:17] <phin> punkass, did you just build your own xcompmgr?
[08:17] <Lowry> still at 24kB/sec
[08:17] <ubll> Rene_S, What is VMWare? I hear it mentioned a lot...
[08:17] <bezak> Rene_S: http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/
[08:17] <punkass> add this to your sources list:  deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[08:17] <phin> what about transset?
[08:17] <punkass> then install it
[08:18] <punkass> dunno what that is
[08:18] <phin> sets the transparency of the windows
[08:19] <ubll> Anyone care to explain to me what VMWare is?
[08:19] <phin> virtual machine
[08:19] <Rene_S> VMware is a program that will let ya run Windows
[08:19] <phin> lets you run windows in a box :P
[08:19] <davyd> vmware is your new god
[08:19] <Lowry> It is like virtual pc for the mac
[08:19] <phin> it can run other os's
[08:19] <nomasteryoda> phin
[08:19] <ubll> Can you run other OS'es in it?
[08:19] <nomasteryoda> qemu
[08:19] <nomasteryoda> can do that too
[08:19] <nomasteryoda> for free
[08:19] <Lowry> You have intel calls on a ppc chip
[08:19] <davyd> ubll: it's an x86 emulator
[08:19] <phin> sweet
[08:19] <davyd> so yes
[08:19] <phin> i got free vmware as well
[08:19] <phin> my work paid for it
[08:20] <phin> :-P
[08:20] <nomasteryoda> nice
[08:20] <phin> agreed
[08:20] <nomasteryoda> have it at work too
[08:20] <ubll> So could I run Ubuntu within this VMware?
[08:20] <Lathiat> ooh how much does composite suck on my 266mhz :0
[08:20] <davyd> ubll: yes
[08:20] <phin> no
[08:20] <nomasteryoda> but need tons more ram
[08:20] <phin> run windows
[08:20] <phin> withen vmware
[08:20] <phin> on top of ubuntu
[08:20] <phin> :P
[08:20] <nomasteryoda> ubll, yes
[08:20] <davyd> or what phin said, which I do
[08:20] <ubll> holy crap that is awesome
[08:20] <davyd> ubll: you can get a 30 day vmware trial from www.vmware.com
[08:20] <phin> i just have a side windows pc
[08:20] <phin> for photoshop
[08:20] <phin> and games
[08:20] <phin> hehe
[08:20] <Lathiat> any speccy demos for compositing?
[08:21] <davyd> then I think it's USD$180 ish for a license
[08:21] <nomasteryoda> lots of nesting therein
[08:21] <nomasteryoda> student license is cheaper
[08:21] <nomasteryoda> not sure how much
[08:21] <davyd> there's a student license? man...
[08:21] <ubll> davyd, which version is it I want to dl?
[08:21] <nomasteryoda> davyd, i think so
[08:21] <GammaRay> photoshop? pfft
[08:21] <davyd> ubll: vmWare Workstattion 4.5
[08:21] <ubll> davyd, thank you :)
[08:22] <nomasteryoda> davyd, be warned
[08:22] <nomasteryoda> it will slow your system some
[08:22] <nomasteryoda> even while not running
[08:22] <nomasteryoda> esp with only 512mb ram
[08:22] <phin> if its running at the same time
[08:22] <phin> yes it will
[08:22] <phin> and the host os runs much slower
[08:22] <phin> then if you where to run it nativly
[08:23] <nomasteryoda> sure
[08:23] <nomasteryoda> but otherwise...cool
[08:23] <phin> oh ya
[08:23] <phin> definitly cool
[08:23] <nomasteryoda> i had redhat, mdk, ubuntu, win98, winxp, win2000 image files
[08:23] <ubll> It'll slow my system even when not running??
[08:23] <nomasteryoda> phin, you can make
[08:23] <nomasteryoda> qemu convert them too
[08:23] <phin> how fast is qemu?
[08:23] <nomasteryoda> and use those in it
[08:23] <nomasteryoda> pretty fast
[08:23] <phin> ubll: no
[08:24] <davyd> nomasteryoda: put 1.5 gigs of ram in your machine ;)
[08:24] <nomasteryoda> it's not vmware, but a nice opensourceapp
[08:24] <nomasteryoda> davyd
[08:24] <nomasteryoda> yea
[08:24] <nomasteryoda> i would
[08:24] <phin> nom: i run netbsd as my workstation at work
[08:24] <nomasteryoda> but it is tha crappy RAMbux
[08:24] <nomasteryoda> bus
[08:24] <phin> with a nice little windows xp icon on my desktop for when my boss uses the pc
[08:24] <phin> he gets a chuckle out of it
[08:24] <phin> lol
[08:24] <nomasteryoda> very pricy
[08:24] <nomasteryoda> nite all
[08:24] <nomasteryoda> or morning
[08:24] <phin> nite
[08:24] <nomasteryoda> evening,etc
[08:25] <phin> im gonna test xcomp
[08:25] <phin> on this k6-2 300
[08:25] <phin> hehe
[08:26] <phin> its got a large amount of mem, 64 megs
[08:26] <phin> hehe
[08:26] <|QuaD|> xcomp?
[08:26] <GammaRay> hehe?
[08:26] <Lathiat> man how do you take a screenshot
[08:26] <Lathiat> theres no take screenshot in the menu of ubuntu like default gnome :)
[08:26] <|QuaD|> Lathiat: there isi n mine
[08:27] <GammaRay> Lathiat: you seem a little too happy about that
[08:27] <p0int> how bout them Xen..
[08:27] <Lathiat> GammaRay: yeh
[08:27] <Lathiat> heh
[08:27] <Lathiat> |QuaD|: where?
[08:27] <|QuaD|> under computer
[08:27] <davyd> Lathiat: use the gimp
[08:27] <hypa7ia> Lathiat: computer > take screenshot...
[08:27] <davyd> since screenshooter probably broke in the move to gnome-utils
[08:28] <punkass> i dont have it either
[08:28] <phin> whoa
[08:28] <phin> omg
[08:28] <phin> this is pimp
[08:28] <deFrysk> Lathiat, richtklick the panel , select add and choose the screensot-app
[08:28] <phin> these shadows
[08:28] <phin> ya know
[08:28] <phin> this isnt to bad on here
[08:28] <phin> lol
[08:28] <bigt> question: how do i a samba install i went to install samba without realizing it was already installed now everytime i use synaptic i get error processing samba? i tried apt-get -f install
[08:28] <bigt> it doesn't work
[08:28] <punkass> phin: yeah its not bad eh...a little slow tho
[08:29] <|QuaD|> Lathiat: are you using warty?
[08:29] <phin> haha
[08:29] <phin> well
[08:29] <Lathiat> |QuaD|: hoary
[08:29] <phin> i figure wtf
[08:29] <phin> this pc is a peice of crap
[08:29] <|QuaD|> that might be why
[08:29] <Lathiat> heh need to insall gnome-screenshot
[08:29] <|QuaD|> i am using warty
[08:29] <punkass> yeah i am hoary too
[08:29] <phin> k6-2 300, 64megs of mem with a neogeo onboard pci video, 2 megs of mem
[08:29] <phin> and its running the undershadows pretty nicely, better then i assumed
[08:29] <phin> the redraw is a little show
[08:30] <Lathiat> heh
[08:30] <phin> pretty cool
[08:30] <phin> well
[08:30] <bigt> dang i get mplayer to run for jack on my system :(
[08:30] <phin> its not much slower
[08:30] <phin> its like
[08:30] <punkass> phin: lol well i have the shadows goin on a 1.7 athlon with 512meg and a 5900xt and its still a little slow
[08:30] <phin> 5% slower
[08:30] <phin> if that
[08:30] <phin> far less then i expect
[08:31] <hypa7ia> this comic is the ultimate word on internet flame wars.
[08:31] <hypa7ia> http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-03-19
[08:31] <justdave> lifeless: you around?
[08:31] <daniels> yeah, guys, Composite is slow, seriousl
[08:31] <daniels> i wasn't lying when I said that
[08:31] <punkass> Lathiat: is there really a package called gnome-screenshot
[08:31] <TongMaster> justdave, he's busy atm
[08:31] <phin> hehe
[08:32] <phin> server side shadows suck
[08:32] <phin> i wish i could adjust em a bit
[08:32] <|QuaD|> wtf? i just did a free -m... doesn't show my full 1024 megs of ram... only 8 something
[08:32] <punkass> daniels: its not brutal..but its noticably slower
[08:32] <|QuaD|> why is that
[08:33] <justdave> TongMaster: k, thanks
[08:33] <phin> actually
[08:33] <phin> daniels: its not to bad on this pc
[08:33] <phin> its not much slower then it was already
[08:33] <punkass> i like this:  xcompmgr -c -r3 -o.5 -l0 -t0
[08:34] <Treenaks> daniels: did you notice that the Xorg manual pages contain "__appmansuffix__" in the 'See also' section?
[08:34] <phin> nice punkass!
[08:34] <phin> :)
[08:34] <phin> thats my new setup
[08:34] <smo> do nvidia's drivers work with xorg?
[08:34] <punkass> mine are
[08:34] <punkass> and im just using the ubuntu nivdia-glx package
[08:35] <daniels> Treenaks: phat
[08:35] <smo> that's what I'm using on warty too, so looks hopeful .. thanks
[08:35] <daniels> Treenaks: will fix that one later today if I get around to it, thanks
[08:36] <punkass> daniels: any word on transset?
[08:38] <alka_trash> I just upgraded to hoary :D
[08:39] <hypa7ia> alka_trash: what gfx card do you have?
[08:39] <alka_trash> nvidai
[08:39] <alka_trash> that one
[08:39] <Lowry> 10 more min to hoary ppc
[08:39] <king_arthur> alka does firefox work with you?
[08:39] <alka_trash> although nautilus is slow now
[08:39] <alka_trash> umm
[08:40] <alka_trash> yes, but it's slow
[08:40] <alka_trash> it's like I have a conflict
[08:40] <king_arthur> sine upgrading to hoary firefox stopped working
[08:40] <alka_trash> ouch
[08:40] <king_arthur> galeon and mozzila are OK
[08:41] <alka_trash> when clicking on nautilus home, it takes three seconds to come up, before upgrade it was almost instant
[08:41] <Telep> alka_trash: the nautilus issue can apparently be solved by "apt-get install gamin"
[08:41] <king_arthur> same with me
[08:41] <alka_trash> nice
[08:41] <king_arthur> windows take ages to pop up
[08:41] <Telep> worked for me
[08:42] <alka_trash> downloading now
[08:42] <king_arthur> does anybody use firefox with hoary
[08:42] <Telep> yes
[08:42] <punkass> i am
[08:43] <king_arthur> how does work no prob?
[08:43] <punkass> no prob
[08:43] <alka_trash> Telep: Your my best friend!
[08:43] <king_arthur> :-(
[08:43] <alka_trash> it's snappy again :)
[08:43] <alka_trash> king_arthur:  what's your error
[08:43] <Telep> alka_trash: the feeling is mutual, I'm sure :)
[08:43] <Skif> on the off chance anybody here knows, wtf is "Standard_Type.hxx", and is there any way to tell
[08:43] <Skif> what package provides it, if any
[08:44] <king_arthur> have to lcheck window onthe linuxbox
[08:44] <king_arthur> holdon one sec
[08:44] <punkass> what i do notice is that when i maximize a window now it covers and panels
[08:44] <daniels> punkass: yeah give me a bit, in the middle of fixing the bugs reported today
[08:44] <punkass> s/and/any/
[08:45] <punkass> daniels: no worries, just curious
[08:45] <daniels> punkass: i'll send the xorg package around for another build, then I'll get to transset and stuff while that's building
[08:45] <daniels> cool
[08:45] <punkass> almost time for my sleep anyways
[08:45] <Amaranth> daniels: You're the one working on xorg, right?
[08:46] <phin> heh
[08:46] <Lathiat> daniels: can we get a xserver-xorg component on bugzilla?
[08:46] <phin> i dunno why
[08:46] <phin> this is crazy, but xcompmgr runs about 99% the same speed running
[08:47] <phin> maybe cause is runs so friggin slow anyway, who knows
[08:47] <phin> lol
[08:47] <Amaranth> is xcompmgr available now?
[08:47] <king_arthur> alka_trash accesskey="@allowPopups.accesskey;"---------------------^
[08:47] <fabbione> Lathiat: use xfree86 in the meanwhile
[08:47] <Lathiat> fabbione: i have been
[08:47] <fabbione> and specify XOrg in the subject
[08:47] <king_arthur> alka that's the error message I get
[08:47] <Lathiat> fabbione: was just saying, be nice to get one
[08:47] <phin> only bug i have
[08:47] <king_arthur> any clues?
[08:47] <phin> is sometimes a window stays on top
[08:47] <Lathiat> fabbione: did that as well :) youve got two from me
[08:47] <phin> no matter what
[08:47] <fabbione> Lathiat: yes we knos :-)
[08:48] <fabbione> Lathiat: really?
[08:48] <Lathiat> yeh
[08:48] <Lathiat> one about synaptics the other about xtt
[08:48] <alka_trash>  king_arthur move your .mozilla foler to .mozilla.old
[08:48] <fabbione> synaptics is not an X.org problem
[08:48] <fabbione> read my answer
[08:48] <fabbione> and xtt is invalid
[08:48] <Lathiat> oh hadnt got that yet
[08:48] <fabbione> anything more?
[08:48] <fabbione> i just replied
[08:48] <king_arthur> alka from where?
[08:48] <king_arthur> alka home?
[08:48] <alka_trash> yep
[08:49] <king_arthur> OK try right now holdon
[08:49] <Lathiat> fabbione: i just did apt-get install x-window-system-something because it was being held back and xorg hadnt upgraded
[08:49] <Lathiat> and when i did that it pulled in and removed the required stuff
[08:49] <Lathiat> gues not all of it then
[08:49] <fabbione> Lathiat: did you read the announcement?
[08:49] <fabbione> and how to do the upgrade?
[08:50] <phin> i just replaced warty with hoary
[08:50] <fabbione> it's not like we write FAQ and documentation for nothing
[08:50] <phin> and did an apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:50] <phin> worked np
[08:50] <alka_trash> king_arthur: it's worth a shot, you'll loose all your settings too
[08:50] <bigt> can someone kindly help me with samba for some reason it keeps throwing errors every time i run synaptic
[08:51] <phin> man i cant believe i only see like a 5% performance drop, at most
[08:51] <fabbione> that's because we tested it :-)
[08:51] <punkass> hehe
[08:51] <phin> its probly cause this things so slow
[08:51] <phin> its able to draw at the same speed
[08:51] <phin> lol
[08:51] <king_arthur> alka_trash just tried, makes no difference :-(
[08:51] <punkass> well the fact that i and upgrade 612 packages and everything just works..is pretty impressive
[08:51] <alka_trash> hmm
[08:52] <punkass> tho esd seems to try and rule the sound world now..have to kill it before rhythmbox will play anything
[08:52] <king_arthur> alka does the erro message tell anything to you?
[08:52] <Lathiat> fabbione: i changed to hoary, did an update and a dist-upgrade, am i missing something in the email?
[08:53] <king_arthur> I have tried re-intsall,  remove and install again, no difference
[08:53] <fabbione> Lathiat: you said you did something else
[08:53] <GammaRay> punkass: sounds like rhythmbox's fault... esd does not "lock" your sound card like arts
 fabbione: i just did apt-get install x-window-system-something
[08:53] <Amaranth> What package is xcompmgr in?
[08:53] <Lathiat> oh right
[08:53] <Lathiat> like i said
[08:53] <Lathiat> it didnt upgrade
[08:53] <Lathiat> it was held back
[08:53] <fabbione> of course
[08:53] <fabbione> that's why you need a dist-upgrade
[08:53] <Lathiat> no
[08:53] <fabbione> otherwise it doesn't work
[08:53] <Lathiat> i did a dist-upgrade
[08:54] <Lathiat> and it had all done
[08:54] <Lathiat> and i did it again and it was still held back
[08:54] <Amaranth> you need to upgrade then dist-upgrade
[08:54] <volvoguy> you guys talking about the x.org packages? mine didn't upgrade with a dist-upgrade either.
[08:54] <punkass> oh thats right i had to install xserver-xorg after my dist-upgrade
[08:54] <Amaranth> Oh yeah, I guess I did too. :P
[08:54] <volvoguy> yep. me too punkass. (heh. that sounds funny)
[08:54] <fabbione> do you have ubuntu-desktop package installed?
[08:54] <bob2> volvoguy: punkass do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[08:55] <bob2> I bet you guys installed totem-xine or something
[08:55] <volvoguy> i don't have ubuntu-desktop installed.
[08:55] <volvoguy> yep
[08:55] <Amaranth> Not I.
[08:55] <Lathiat> hmm
[08:55] <punkass> i have totem-xine for sure
[08:55] <Lathiat> i dont either
[08:55] <Amaranth> I have ubuntu-desktop installed.
[08:55] <fabbione> volvoguy: than you are on your won :-)
[08:55] <Lowry> So you need to add x.org when dist upgrade is done?
[08:55] <Lathiat> ahh
[08:55] <fabbione> own even
[08:55] <Lathiat> i installed totem-xine
[08:55] <Lathiat> rightio
[08:55] <Lathiat> got the problem now :)
[08:55] <alka_trash> king_arthur: how about running it as root? or maybe downloading the latest and running it?
[08:55] <Amaranth> Is there a package for xcompmgr?
[08:55] <volvoguy> do you think that will cause other x.org problems other than missing that one package?
[08:56] <punkass> no i didnt have ubuntu-desktop installed
[08:56] <Lathiat> Amaranth: yes, deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[08:56] <bob2> volvoguy: you will not get future packages that the desktop requires
[08:56] <fabbione> volvoguy: ubuntu-desktop forces the dependency required to install x.org
[08:56] <volvoguy> maybe a message to the users mailing list is in order.
[08:56] <king_arthur> aka I just did distr-upgrade
[08:56] <bob2> it's always been the case that removing ubuntu-desktop put you out on your own
[08:56] <king_arthur> and the latest firefox IS installed
[08:57] <Lathiat> I'd forgotten that I had done that :)
[08:57] <Lathiat> my bad :)
[08:57] <punkass> bob2: i never knew that...installing it how
[08:57] <king_arthur> at least it was yesterdat :-)
[08:57] <punkass> s/how/now
[08:57] <volvoguy> yeah. i know bob. totem-xine just works so much better for me. :)
[08:57] <Lathiat> fabbione: sorry :)
[08:57] <Elwood> hi all
[08:57] <king_arthur> ciao elwood
[08:57] <Lowry> hi
[08:58] <Amaranth> brb
[08:58] <Elwood> so xorg in wharty?
[08:58] <volvoguy> i guess this teaches the lesson that if you're using an "in-progress" distro, it's best to use the suggested packages. :)
[08:58] <punkass> hmm so with ubuntu-desktop you can use totem-xine?
[08:58] <Lathiat> Elwood: no, in hoary
[08:58] <punkass> can = cant
[08:58] <Lathiat> punkass: yes
[08:58] <Lathiat> cus you stray away from the desktop, not using totem-gstreamer
[08:58] <punkass> hmm
[08:58] <Elwood> uhm hoary is stable?
[08:58] <phin> no
[08:59] <bob2> Elwood: hoary is unstable
[08:59] <phin> but some of us are daring ;)
[08:59] <punkass> i wouldnt care..its just nice to have the codecs etc
[08:59] <bob2> Elwood: warty will never get new packages
[08:59] <bob2> except for ecurity fixes, etcd
[08:59] <king_arthur> hoary works fine but irt is not stable
[08:59] <volvoguy> is the gnome menu slowness a byproduct of not having ubuntu-desktop also?
[08:59] <Elwood> ok
[08:59] <king_arthur> warty is for getting things done
[08:59] <Despair> volvoguy: have you done `apt-get install gamin` yet?
[08:59] <Elwood> for me is enough that works fine :)
[09:00] <phin> whats gamin?
[09:00] <king_arthur> vai elwood
[09:00] <volvoguy> despair: yes. that fixed it. i was just curious if that was a lack of ubuntu-desktop as well.
[09:00] <Despair> phin: less miserable replacement for fam.
[09:00] <phin> whats fam?
[09:00] <phin> lol
[09:00] <king_arthur> to dare or not to dare....
[09:00] <Lathiat> daemon that watches for alterations to files
[09:00] <phin> ah
[09:01] <volvoguy> hey, don't smack me for going off topic for a sec, but did anyone in north america see the northern lights tonight?
[09:01] <phin> ya
[09:01] <punkass> nope.
[09:01] <phin> the main downside to composite i have
[09:01] <jjh> nah
[09:02] <phin> is that it doesnt handle window placement well
[09:02] <punkass> far to cloudy here
[09:02] <deFrysk> bittornado-gui seems to use a lot of cpu-power with xorg
[09:02] <phin> like if i open a new window, it stays over all the windows
[09:02] <phin> no matter what
[09:02] <maxo> tommorow nights supposed to be prime northern lights viewing for the northwest US
[09:02] <phin> oh well thats testing for ya :P
[09:02] <volvoguy> they were amazing. i guess it's a big deal that they're being seen really far to the south - as far south as california.
[09:02] <punkass> really? well i am in BC canada
[09:03] <phin> i can see them from detroit!
[09:03] <phin> :)
[09:03] <volvoguy> i'm in detroit, michigan. :) i'm 30 and i've never seen them here.
[09:03] <punkass> so i should be able to see them if its not to cloudy
[09:03] <alka_trash> okay how does this ubuntu calendar thing work? I installed it but it doesn't show up. I must be missing something very simple :/
[09:03] <phin> i can see em from detroit :P
[09:03] <volvoguy> where are you phin?
[09:03] <phin> sterling heights
[09:03] <volvoguy> rochester here.
[09:03] <phin> i drove up over by stoney creek last night
[09:03] <volvoguy> small world.
[09:03] <phin> to see em good
[09:04] <phin> you know if you go up mound, to 28 mile, and take a left, theres the bridge right there?
[09:04] <phin> good spot to see em
[09:05] <king_arthur> alka_trash u still there?
[09:05] <alka_trash> yep
[09:06] <king_arthur> any other brilliant idea for my firefox problem?
[09:06] <king_arthur> :-)
[09:06] <alka_trash> really
[09:06] <alka_trash> what did you do
[09:06] <alka_trash> ?
[09:06] <king_arthur> I am usng it right now
[09:06] <king_arthur> on the iMac :-)
[09:06] <alka_trash> ?
[09:06] <king_arthur> but on the linuxbox nope
[09:07] <alka_trash> ubuntu on IMac?
[09:07] <alka_trash> oh
[09:07] <king_arthur> that is a possibility
[09:07] <Lowry> imac g5?
[09:07] <king_arthur> I mean I have that as well
[09:07] <Lowry> or g3?
[09:07] <RuffianSoldier> g4
[09:07] <king_arthur> works fine but makes no real sense
[09:07] <alka_trash> of coarse
[09:07] <king_arthur> g3
[09:07] <RuffianSoldier> im on a PowerPC G3
[09:07] <Lowry> should work'
[09:07] <RuffianSoldier> but im using stupid stupid 0s 9.2
[09:08] <king_arthur> has anybody airport active?
[09:08] <volvoguy> i have ubuntu on a G3 imac as well.
[09:08] <Lowry> this might help
[09:08] <Lowry> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=464
[09:08] <king_arthur> good volvoguy you are one of us :-)
[09:09] <volvoguy> i tend to stay on my 2.8Ghz P4 more often. it's a little faster. :-)
[09:09] <alka_trash> king_arthur: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=accesskey*allowPopups+firefox&btnG=Search
[09:10] <king_arthur> Alka I am looking :-)
[09:10] <alka_trash> king_arthur: I looked at a couple but there all in foreign languages
[09:11] <volvoguy> king_arthur: i think the wiki still reports that airport doesn't work at all.
[09:11] <king_arthur> may be it deepends on the language?
[09:11] <king_arthur> volvoguy that's not what I heard
[09:11] <king_arthur> somebody is using it
[09:12] <Lowry> hi
[09:15] <Lowry> Just started setting up - how long will the upgrade take?
[09:15] <volvoguy> one of the websites i run is buying me an iBook so i can keep updating the site after i have back surgery. i'll have to worry about about airport stuff in the near future. :)
[09:15] <Lowry> gl with your back
[09:15] <phin> i dont think airport works with linux
[09:15] <phin> cause of the chipset
[09:16] <volvoguy> thanks lowry!
[09:17] <Elwood> it's enough to change warthy with hoary in sources.list to change?
[09:17] <Elwood> i had to remove the security sources,tright?
[09:18] <MeAndU> I have just tried raythembox and when i import a folder this error pops "there is no plug in installed to handle a MP3 file" why
[09:18] <Treenaks> Elwood: keep the security ones
[09:18] <Elwood> ok
[09:18] <bigt> anyone bsides me having problems with mplayer not loading?
[09:18] <atropus> MeAndu: install mplayer and try with it
[09:19] <volvoguy> ok. bedtime. g'night everybody!
[09:19] <Lowry> later
[09:19] <bigt> mine says starting mplayer and then it just goes away :(
[09:20] <MeAndU> atropus, mplayer is installed and these files are playing well on other apps
[09:21] <MeAndU> atropus, I want to try raythembox
[09:23] <atropus> http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/src/gst-plugins/gst-plugins-0.8.1.tar.bz2
[09:23] <atropus> maybe it helps you
[09:23] <bigt> atropus when you get time can you help me with mplayer please?
[09:24] <atropus> i am not a guru but maybe i can help you
[09:24] <bigt> thats fine i'm a newbie on linux
[09:24] <bigt> when i run mplayer i get illegal instructino
[09:25] <bigt> and it will not start
[09:25] <atropus> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-127198.html
[09:25] <bigt> looking there now thanks
[09:25] <lifeless> window 29
[09:26] <atropus> bigt: I use this link
[09:26] <atropus> to install mplayer from source
[09:26] <bigt> ok let me try that
[09:26] <bigt> and i swear there must  be a bug in the samba pre-removal script
[09:26] <atropus> and it works fine
[09:26] <bigt> cause it simply will not go away no mater what i do
[09:27] <bigt> ok gonna try it
[09:29] <atropus> I have 60 Mbyte free space on my hdd and GNOME doesn't start. It is freezing.... Is it correct?
[09:30] <phin> well that was cool
[09:30] <phin> only complaint is that sometimes windows don't go over correctly with composite
[09:30] <bigt> can i paste something in here to see if anyone else gets this error?
[09:31] <bigt> with samba its annoying the piss out of me :)
[09:32] <elessar> http://nopaste.php-q.net/
[09:32] <bigt> ok
[09:32] <bigt> thanks
[09:34] <bigtony> http://rafb.net/paste/results/rQVWT553.html
[09:35] <pdaoust> wow, it's so quiet this time of night...
[09:36] <pdaoust> after midnight on the west coast
[09:36] <pdaoust> I'm talking to thin air; this is weird
[09:36] <Lowry> Need some upgrade help
[09:36] <pdaoust> if someone talks in a chat room and nobody's around to read it......
[09:36] <pdaoust> ?
[09:36] <pdaoust> Lowry, what's your problem?
[09:37] <pdaoust> hello?
[09:37] <Lowry> config file /ect/pbbuttonsd
[09:37] <pdaoust> hope you didn't take that in a rude way -- I meant what sort of help do you need?
[09:37] <pdaoust> oooo
[09:37] <pdaoust> never even heard of that one
[09:37] <pdaoust> what does it do? ^_^
[09:37] <Lowry> keep or replace>
[09:38] <pdaoust> what are you upgrading from/to?
[09:38] <pdaoust> Warty to Hoary, or from some other distro to Ubuntu?
[09:38] <Lowry> warty to hoary
[09:39] <pdaoust> ohhhhhhhh, you're on an Apple notebook, right?
[09:39] <Lowry> default is to keep my version
[09:39] <Lowry> yes ppc g3 powerbook
[09:39] <pdaoust> do you have a third option, to replace interactively (i.e., diff)?
[09:40] <Lowry> install maintainers
[09:40] <Lowry> keep current
[09:40] <Lowry> show differences
[09:40] <Lowry> or background
[09:40] <jin> hi everyone: how do i mount my ntfs drive in ubuntu?
[09:41] <pdaoust> jin: first create a directory like /windows
[09:41] <pdaoust> $ sudo mkdir /windows
[09:41] <pdaoust> jin: then go
[09:41] <jin> go where?
[09:43] <pdaoust> Lowry: try 'show differences'
[09:43] <atropus> Hi! Is there a graphical cd-writing stuff for ubuntu?
[09:43] <bigt> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1886&highlight=ntfs
[09:43] <bigt> thts how you mount ntfs drives
[09:43] <b_e_n_z> atropus, xcdroast, eroaster
[09:43] <atropus> tnx
[09:43] <Lowry> cpuload, netload
[09:44] <duke|ib> npo
[09:44] <Lowry> min max
[09:44] <pdaoust> Lowry: unless you've been reprogramming certain buttons/keys to do special things, I'd just use the new version
[09:45] <Lowry> thx
[09:45] <pdaoust> Lowry: no prob!
[09:45] <Lowry> how do i get back to the upgarde
[09:45] <Lowry> (END)
[09:47] <agenteo> hi I'm tring to change the default umask in ubuntu, I've looked in .bash_profile and I see # the default umask is set in /etc/login.defs but there is a umask even in /etc/profile. If I change /etc/profile when will I need to change /etc/login.defs?
[09:48] <pdaoust> lowry: this is where my expertise ends... I've only been using Ubuntu since yesterday morning ^_^
[09:48] <pdaoust> lowry: sorry
[09:49] <atropus> is there any ubuntu package to graphical cd-writing? I want install with apt-get
[09:50] <Lathiat> atropus: To burn what?
[09:50] <Lathiat> data cd, iso, music cd...
[09:50] <atropus> multi session data disk
[09:50] <pdaoust> good bye, folks; I'm off to bed.
[09:50] <Lathiat> no idea about that, but the nautilus cd burner does most things you want
[09:51] <Elwood> atropus,  xcdrecor
[09:51] <Elwood> atropus, or gcombust or xcdtoaster
[09:51] <atropus> ok i try it thanx
[09:51] <Elwood> atropus, try these on gnome or k3b on kde
[09:54] <pisuke> hi. I need a xvid codec for totem. any ideas? I installed the codec pack from the mplayer web, but xvid seems to be missing.
[09:55] <pisuke> also tried marillat repository but failed to install mplayer
[09:56] <Elwood> failed why?
[09:56] <Elwood> pisuke, try xine
[09:57] <pisuke> Elwood, it said broken packages
[09:57] <atropus> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-127198.html
[09:57] <pisuke> and i am using totem-xine
[09:57] <atropus> try with it
[09:57] <atropus> it works fine for me
[09:59] <pisuke> atropus, you can play xvid?
[09:59] <pisuke> because is installing essential codecs from mplayer
[10:00] <pisuke> I installed the all codecs packages
[10:00] <pisuke> but no xvid
[10:00] <Treenaks> pisuke: libxvid is in multiverse
[10:00] <pisuke> Treenaks, installed from marillat
[10:00] <Treenaks> pisuke: then it should work..
[10:00] <pisuke> but it's not working
[10:00] <Treenaks> pisuke: is your xvid file correct?
[10:01] <pisuke> yep
[10:01] <atropus> i don't try xvid, sorry
[10:01] <pisuke> gits2
[10:01] <pisuke> but totem says it has no codec for it
[10:02] <pisuke> even copied /usr/lib/libxvidcore4 to totem-addons
[10:02] <pisuke> but nopes
[10:02] <pisuke> nm
[10:03] <Treenaks> pisuke: do you have totem-xine or -gstreamer?
[10:03] <pisuke> totem-xine
[10:03] <pisuke> everything I was throwing was playing great
[10:06] <mjr> hmm, funny; my totem-xine plays xvid fine on amd64, with no marillat as there's no amd64 packages there
[10:07] <pisuke> mjr, where did you get the codecs?
[10:08] <mjr> well, I have the xvid codec from multiverse, but I actually tried moving it to another, non-lib directory and checking if xvid still played; it did
[10:09] <mjr> so I don't really know
[10:09] <pisuke> heh
[10:09] <Lowry> my upgrade has stopped
[10:10] <Lowry> I am back to #
[10:10] <bigt> atropus: did you have a problem with those wgets taking for ever to download? i have a fast connection but it seem slike the site is busy or something
[10:10] <fabbione> silbs: morning
[10:11] <Lowry> How do I return to the setting up pbbuttonsd ?
[10:12] <atropus> bigt: whats the problem?
[10:12] <bigt> site times out
[10:12] <mjr> pisuke, my guess would be that the codec that xine uses is embedded into xineplug_decode_ff.so which is included in libxine1; I guess this because it sounds like ffmpeg ;)
[10:13] <pisuke> mjr, could be
[10:13] <mjr> ah, the file does have symbols that point to ffmpeg and mpeg4 decoding
[10:13] <mjr> so yes, I think that's it
[10:14] <jin> help: I can't see / mount my NTFS drive
[10:14] <bigt> and i don't think anyone ever answered so i'll repeat is there an issue with samba and ubuntu or is it just me this error 102 pre-removing script crap is annoying everytime i type apt-get install in termal it says that for samba
[10:15] <bigt> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1886&highlight=ntfs
[10:16] <pisuke> mjr, have you installed ffmpeg, or it was installed by default?
[10:16] <jin> thanks bigt, trying out
[10:16] <bob2> ffmpeg is not installed by default
[10:16] <bigt> np
[10:17] <mjr> pisuke, no, I haven't, but I think it's pretty much statically linked into said plugin
[10:17] <pisuke> ok.thx
[10:18] <bigt> << takes a shotgun and shoots samba
[10:20] <Lowry> I seem to have lost my apt-get upgrade process
[10:20] <Lowry> I did ps -x
[10:21] <Lowry> How do I get back to the upgrade?
[10:25] <Treenaks> KarlosII: /always/ use packages
[10:25] <phin> well
[10:25] <KarlosII> :/
[10:25] <phin> you dont always have to
[10:25] <Elwood> Lowry,  restart it
[10:25] <phin> use whatever works best for you :)
[10:25] <Treenaks> pisuke: 99.99% of the time, it's better
[10:25] <Elwood> Lowry,  or killall apt-get and restart :)
[10:25] <phin> whys that?
[10:25] <phin> i build alot of my own stuff
[10:26] <KarlosII> Treenaks, not
[10:26] <KarlosII> Treenaks, I build all my my software from software using Gentoo
[10:26] <phin> i usually just use packages
[10:26] <Lowry> Do I have to dl from the start?
[10:26] <phin> but sometimes
[10:26] <KarlosII> err
[10:26] <Treenaks> KarlosII: yes, in ubuntu it is -- if you use packages all the time, upgrades will be way easier
[10:26] <phin> i need someything else
[10:26] <Treenaks> KarlosII: really, building from source is overrated
[10:26] <phin> why?
[10:26] <KarlosII> Treenaks, tbh I don't use ubuntu right now
[10:26] <phin> sometimes you need diffrent features
[10:27] <phin> or a newer version then what packages offer
[10:27] <KarlosII> Treenaks, to each his own opinion
[10:27] <phin> im not looking for speed opts or anything
[10:27] <StarScream> hey guys, i hear Xorg is in the repository now...whats the easiest way to replace my xfree and install xorg?
[10:27] <Elwood> StarScream,  apt-get install xserver-xorg
[10:27] <deFrysk> StarScream, apt-get dit-upgrade
[10:27] <KarlosII> xorg sweet, but xorg has major problems with ati
[10:27] <deFrysk> dist
[10:27] <jdub> StarScream: if you are comfortable using hoary, just upgrade
[10:28] <Treenaks> KarlosII: http://funroll-loops.org/
[10:28] <phin> um
[10:28] <KarlosII> StarScream, beware if you use ati
[10:28] <deFrysk> xorg seems to slow down bittornado-gui
[10:28] <jdub> StarScream: if you are not very familiar with debian, or running debian sid, don't run hoary
[10:28] <StarScream> jdub...hoary?
[10:28] <Lowry> killed
[10:28] <jdub> StarScream: the development branch for the next release
[10:28] <phin> treeaks: so thats a definitive source as to why building from source is wrong?
[10:28] <StarScream> ah.....
[10:28] <phin> i build my own php/apache/sql setup all the time
[10:28] <StarScream> KarlosII: why whats up with ATI?
[10:28] <phin> for my webservers
[10:29] <jdub> phin: it humorously demonstrates why it's generally misguided
[10:29] <hypa7ia> phin: that and this: http://www.eghetto.ca/~msviolet/Humour/gentoo.jpg
[10:29] <KarlosII> StarScream, what isn't those colosed source fools
[10:29] <phin> well duh, of course it is
[10:29] <phin> hehe
[10:29] <KarlosII> err
[10:29] <KarlosII> StarScream, what isn't with those closed source fools
[10:29] <phin> but it all depends on what your doing
[10:30] <phin> im not saying build evertying, but sometimes packages are not the best way, thou usually, they work quite well :)
[10:30] <Lowry> thx setting up
[10:30] <StarScream> Karlosll heh, i meant is there anything wrong with ati-xorg....i have a radeon 7500 or something, but its only running FB at the moment.
[10:30] <Elwood> i can put packages in hold with synaptic?
[10:30] <phin> it seems there's a new line between people who build and people who pacakge only, its a pointless arguement lol
[10:31] <fga> Hi, some of you are speaking of hoary the next ubuntu release do you know, or hava any idea, how warthy to hoary upgrade will be dealt for end users ?
[10:31] <daniels> fga: um, with synaptic?
[10:31] <Treenaks> fga: just edit /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade, basically
[10:31] <KarlosII> StarScream, ati on xorg 6.8+ is said to be very problemmatic for some
[10:31] <Treenaks> fga: (or the same in synaptic)
[10:31] <phin> fga: the normal dist-upgrade was flawless for me
[10:32] <Lowry> next year
[10:32] <fga> that was the answer I was hoping thanls
[10:32] <StarScream> KarlosII: hmm..best not update then
[10:32] <KarlosII> StarScream, yeah for now
[10:32] <KarlosII> imho
[10:33] <StarScream>  my fonts just look crap in xfree for some reason...my friends gentooPPC live cd uses xorg and it looks nice....i'm just not a gentoo type user
[10:33] <daniels> ati works fine
[10:33] <daniels> just as long as you don't the binary fglrx driver
[10:33] <phin> my fonts looked great in xfree and xorg
[10:33] <phin> its not a problem with the server
[10:33] <b_e_n_z> StarScream, just a matter of playing around with fontconfig
[10:33] <phin> its something else
[10:33] <StarScream> yeh they dont make ppc ati drivers i think
[10:33] <mvo_> Elwood: synaptic can "lock" a package
[10:33] <deFrysk> fonts are fine here too
[10:33] <daniels> fonts are little to do with xfree86 and xorg, and all to do with libfreetype6/fontconfig
[10:34] <phin> i liked ubuntus default font settings
[10:34] <seb128> dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[10:34] <phin> look great on lcd :)
[10:34] <seb128> to change the AA
[10:34] <b_e_n_z> phin, you got sub-pixel rendering on?
[10:34] <StarScream> b_e_n_z: i think its the way it displays fonts at 1024x768... it was the same on my desktop (slackware) until slack used xorg
[10:34] <phin> yes
[10:34] <StarScream> now its pretty
[10:34] <Lowry> how do you get sub pixel on?
[10:34] <b_e_n_z> phin, do you need to use DVI?
[10:35] <phin> its a laptop
[10:35] <phin> but i would assume so
[10:35] <b_e_n_z> phin, oh
[10:35] <phin> since its a cleaner signal
[10:35] <jdub> Lowry: computer > desktop preference > fonts
[10:35] <b_e_n_z> phin, perhaps i am not using latin fonts, enabling sub-pixeling creates a brownish edge on all the fonts...
[10:35] <phin> weird
[10:36] <jdub> b_e_n_z: you may have a different format screen
[10:36] <b_e_n_z> jdub, meaning...?
[10:36] <jdub> b_e_n_z: see the options down the bottom of the font preferences dialogue
[10:37] <b_e_n_z> jdub, you mean sub-pixel ordering?
[10:37] <jdub> yes
[10:38] <b_e_n_z> jdub, i tried RGB
[10:38] <bitserf> 6.8.1 is in hoary?
[10:38] <bitserf> (saw daniels' blog entry :P)
[10:38] <daniels> bitserf: yeah
[10:38] <bitserf> right, time to break my box :)
[10:38] <b_e_n_z> jdub, still a brownish edge on all the fonts (non latin)
[10:38] <b_e_n_z> jdub, i am using a laptop
[10:39] <Lowry> I now have an error with the upgrade - ppbuttonsd
[10:39] <Lowry> How dod I resume/restart or fix?
[10:40] <Lowry> Errors where encountered while processing
[10:40] <deFrysk> apt-get -f install
[10:40] <deFrysk> try that
[10:40] <Lowry> That will force the install?
[10:40] <deFrysk> Lowry, fix rather then force
[10:42] <Lowry> 13 permission denied
[10:42] <deFrysk> Lowry, sudo
[10:42] <Lowry> unable to lock the permission directory
[10:42] <Lowry> thx
[10:42] <deFrysk> use sudo
[10:42] <deFrysk> ;)
[10:42] <jdub> b_e_n_z: subpixel hinting works by abusing components of nearby pixels
[10:42] <jdub> b_e_n_z: if it's using the wrong order, it'll look like crap
[10:43] <deFrysk> Lowry, when done redo the apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:43] <jdub> b_e_n_z: if it's using the right order, there'll be a (difficult to perceive, by design) glow of colour on each side
[10:43] <cenerentola> hey ls: reading directory .: Input/output error in how many ways can i fix it
[10:43] <cenerentola> jdub: what about the ml?
[10:43] <jdub> b_e_n_z: generally, that can only be seen on CRTs, or on an LCD screen if it's the wrong order
[10:44] <Lowry> 0 upgrade 0 new 0 to remove 65 not upgraded
[10:44] <Lowry> thx
[10:44] <Lathiat> cenerentola: Well that could be a million things, need more specific information, what directory, is it a mount, of what, etc
[10:44] <jdub> cenerentola: you should have received a moderator password from me
[10:44] <Lathiat> usually happens if an NFS or USB mount goes awol
[10:44] <cenerentola> jdub: when? im sorry i didnt cenerentola@insiberia.net
[10:45] <cenerentola> lathiat: hi there.. its a general input/output
[10:45] <Lathiat> cenerentola: Thats not what we need to know
[10:46] <cenerentola> lathiat: i did a cp -r /* /media/warty
[10:46] <Lathiat> umm
[10:46] <Lathiat> that sounds like a bad idea
[10:46] <cenerentola> and it started to print input/output
[10:46] <Lathiat> What are you trying to do?>
[10:47] <cenerentola> nothing... just inputting and outputting in that partition
[10:47] <cenerentola> ...
[10:47] <Lathiat> No i mean what are you trying to do exactly
[10:47] <Lathiat> copying /* to /media/warty probably wont do anything you want it to
[10:47] <Lathiat> and those errors are because it runs into things like /proc, /dev, etc, which cant be read
[10:47] <cenerentola> no no.. well im not that stupid
[10:48] <cenerentola> it gives errors even in everyday-files
[10:49] <cenerentola> is it normal that if i "sudo fsck /dev/hda7" it only returns "fsck 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)"
[10:50] <jdub> cenerentola: if there's nothing to do, yes
[10:50] <bigtony> can someone please help me solve this samba error im having?
[10:51] <cenerentola> jdub: thx
[10:52] <deFrysk> firefox 1 looks good
[10:52] <deFrysk> :)
[10:53] <b_e_n_z> deFrysk, really?
[10:53] <deFrysk> it start up really fast
[10:53] <cenerentola> lathiat: so if i mkfs it should stop right?
[10:54] <Lathiat> cenerentola: no that would overwrite all your data
[10:54] <cenerentola> lathiat: i know...
[10:54] <Lathiat> your probably could be many things
[10:54] <Lathiat> it could be physical drive errors, filesystem corruption (which a mkfs would fix)
[10:54] <cenerentola> lathiat: what i mean is... input/output errors... is it and hw problem or a fs prob?
[10:54] <cenerentola> ...
[10:54] <cenerentola> mmm
[10:54] <Lathiat> it could be both
[10:54] <cenerentola> ok
[10:54] <Lathiat> look in dmesg, are you getting drive errors?
[10:55] <deFrysk> I hope firefox1  wil be in hoary soon
[10:55] <Lathiat> epiphany is fullscreening over the panel
[10:55] <bigtony> whats it mean when samba is highlighted yellow in synaptic?
[10:55] <Lathiat> in fact everything is
[10:55] <cenerentola> cenerentola@anotherworld:/media $ dmesg | grep hda7
[10:55] <cenerentola> XFS mounting filesystem hda7
[10:55] <cenerentola> Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem: hda7
[10:55] <cenerentola> xfs_force_shutdown(hda7,0x8) called from line 1088 of file fs/xfs/xfs_trans.c. Return address = 0xf09a6b19
[10:55] <cenerentola> Filesystem "hda7": Corruption of in-memory data detected.  Shutting down filesystem: hda7
[10:55] <cenerentola> xfs_force_shutdown(hda7,0x1) called from line 353 of file fs/xfs/xfs_rw.c.  Return address = 0xf09a6b19
[10:56] <Lathiat> i really have no idea about xfs
[10:56] <Lathiat> i recommend ext3, so if you reformat maybe you should use that
[10:56] <Lathiat> never given me any roubles
[10:56] <Lathiat> however
[10:56] <deFrysk> ext3 = safest way to go
[10:56] <Lathiat> the data corruption it mentions is bad
[10:56] <Lathiat> that could be a number of things
[10:56] <Lathiat> bad ram
[10:56] <Lathiat> bad disk
[10:56] <Lathiat> bad swap
[10:57] <deFrysk> I like xfs
[10:57] <Treenaks> StarScream: I stopped using reiser when it trashed my second disk
[10:58] <StarScream> Treenaks: really....i've used reiser since i started using linux, never had a problem with it....
[10:58] <Lathiat> i stopped using resier when it trashed well, all the filesystems ive had on it
[10:58] <Lathiat> ive never used it on my personal machine
[10:58] <phin> i just use ext3
[10:58] <Lathiat> but every time ive had it on machines its died
[10:58] <Lathiat> ext3 has never ever failed me once
[10:58] <phin> i had the same problem with xfs before that was just noted
[10:58] <Lathiat> so i stick with that
[10:58] <phin> and ive heard so many horror stories about reiser i wont touch it
[10:58] <Lathiat> phin: ive experienced the resier horror stories first hand several times :)
[10:59] <daniels> ok, filesystem holy wars, guys, we've all been there.  just let it go.
[10:59] <phin> lol
[10:59] <deFrysk> grub does not like xfs as /boot so need to make an seberate /boot with reiser-of ext3
[10:59] <phin> ive done that
[10:59] <deFrysk> b=p
[10:59] <Lathiat> daniels: but but...
[10:59] <phin> grub doesnt mind xfs as boot
[10:59] <deFrysk> phin, id does on my box
[10:59] <phin> weird
[11:00] <deFrysk> could be me tho
[11:00] <Lathiat> daniels: would messing aroudn with the composite extension possibly cause fullscreen windows to start going over the panel?
[11:00] <cenerentola> phin: how did manage it?
[11:01] <daniels> Lathiat: um, possibly.  there's an option to xcompmgr to not composite panels or other desktop windows.
[11:01] <Lathiat> daniels: yeh i was using that (dont to dropshadows etc)
[11:01] <Lathiat> its not activenow
[11:01] <Lathiat> guess ill find out when i restart x
[11:01] <phin> cene: reinstalled :(
[11:02] <phin> i like composite :)
[11:02] <phin> works great on this pc
[11:02] <phin> but one issue with windows staying on the bottem or on top
[11:02] <Treenaks> stupid question, but where can I find xcompmgr?
[11:02] <phin> :(
[11:03] <phin> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[11:03] <phin> add that to your sources
[11:04] <bigtony> whats the correct command to clean the cache? i try apt-get clean and i get invalid operation
[11:04] <Treenaks> phin: shouldn't I have an "XCOMP" extension or something as well?
[11:04] <llpamies> How can I add a LPD printer that send all data to a file ??  (print to text file)
[11:04] <llpamies>  ?
[11:04] <phin> treenaks
[11:04] <phin> yes
[11:05] <phin> its in the ubuntuforums.org post
[11:05] <phin> i dont recall it off hand
[11:05] <Tomcat_> bigtony: Did you do it with sudo or as regular user?
[11:05] <Treenaks> phin: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=13711&postcount=10 :)
[11:06] <bigtony> norm user
[11:06] <Tomcat_> bigtony: That might be a problem. :o
[11:06] <bigtony> its get clean right?
[11:06] <daniels> Treenaks: Section "Extensions"\n\tOption\t"Composite"\t"Enable"\nEndSection
[11:07] <llpamies> It is possible to add this printer, using only /etc/printcap ??
[11:07] <Treenaks> daniels: I found it on the forum, but thanks
[11:07] <bigtony> this blows
[11:07] <Tomcat_> bigtony: apt-get clean is correct... but do it as sudo... not sure if it works
[11:07] <bigtony> still the same &^%5 thing
[11:07] <bigtony> with samba
[11:08] <Treenaks> daniels: does just enabling xcomposite make X crashy and slow, or only using it?
[11:08] <bigtony> regardless of what i try to install samba always wants to install
[11:08] <phin> tree: it varies
[11:08] <phin> ive seen it work pretty damn good for some people
[11:08] <phin> and crap for others
[11:08] <daniels> i don't know if the optimisations are there or not to avoid using the off-screen buffer if there are no clients requesting compositing redirects, but probably not
[11:08] <phin> lol
[11:08] <crimsun> daniels: just a note: the migration of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 => /etc/X11/xorg.conf needs to change  Driver "keyboard"  to  Driver "kbd"
[11:09] <cenerentola> ciao a tutti
[11:09] <cenerentola> im off
[11:09] <daniels> crimsun: it doesn't *need* to, it just *should*
[11:09] <Treenaks> hey wow.. the CDs are being pressed in .nl? :)
[11:10] <crimsun> daniels: fair enough. I presume since the dexconf markers weren't present in my /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, that wasn't done.
[11:10] <crimsun> (rather the debconf markers)
[11:10] <deFrysk> Treenaks, saves shipping :)
[11:12] <Treenaks> deFrysk: yeah :)
[11:12] <Treenaks> whee.. CDs are shipping :)
[11:14] <bigtony> i have a broken package now every time i open synaptic how do i find which one and get rid of it?
[11:15] <deFrysk> bigtony, apt-get -f install
[11:15] <Treenaks> bigtony: just do what synaptic tells you?
[11:15] <Treenaks> deFrysk: doesn't synaptic do that itself?
[11:15] <deFrysk> sorry
[11:15] <bigtony> i have tried what it says
[11:16] <bigtony> but it doesn't work thats what i've had the problem with all day long
[11:16] <mvo_> try to use "fix broken" in the menu
[11:16] <bigtony> its like someting it screwed int he pre-removal script
[11:16] <bigtony> done that too
[11:16] <mvo_> bigtony: what package is it?
[11:16] <mrjive> is x.org already present in hoary?
[11:16] <bigtony> samba
[11:17] <deFrysk> mrjive, yup
[11:17] <mvo_> and what is the error message when you e.g. try to remove it?
[11:17] <mrjive> i mean, if i change my sources can i install x.org?
[11:17] <deFrysk> mrjive, yup
[11:17] <mrjive> deFrysk: tnx :)
[11:18] <bigtony> i would cut and paste what it says but it will not copy
[11:18] <daniels> crimsun: right
[11:18] <bigtony> process pre-removal script returned error exit status 102
[11:18] <bigtony> error processing samba --remove
[11:19] <mvo_> bigtony: that's all? no more information?
[11:19] <bigtony> is there a way to cut and past the synaptic error messages?
[11:20] <mvo_> bigtony: I used to think that this is possible :) If not, I'll file a bug about it
[11:21] <bigtony> dang it i can't get it to cut and paste
[11:21] <mvo_> bigtony: I suspect the error is shown inside the terminal window of synaptic? it should be possible to mark the text with the left button and paste it with the middle button
[11:21] <bigtony> it it 3.0.7-lubuntu6
[11:22] <bigtony> of samba thats giving me the problem
[11:22] <bigtony> it ried it doesn't work
[11:23] <atropu1> sorry my gnome has frozen
[11:23] <atropu1> :)
[11:24] <joolz> atropu1: isn't it more usual that they turn to stone? ;-)
[11:24] <bigtony> any other ideas?
[11:24] <mvo_> bigtony: I install it now and see if I can reproduce the problem
[11:25] <bigtony> ok
[11:25] <mvo_> give me a couple of minutes :)
[11:25] <bigtony> ok thanks
[11:26] <bigtony> here is exactly what i get
[11:26] <bigtony> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user/9807
[11:26] <bigtony> but i don't know how to fix it
[11:26] <nimc> is it a bug that some programs, like x-chat and synaptic, don't save the maximized state after you exit them (they save the maximized coords but without the small square button on top-right that says it's maximized), and other programs like firefox do save the maximized state?
[11:27] <z0mbi3> anyone got any success plugging an iPod to a x86 ubuntu system?
[11:27] <nimc> z0mbi3, i was going to try it soon..... you tried and it didnt work?
[11:29] <jobezone> bigtony, try deleting  /etc/rc2.d/K09samba and uninstall again samba
[11:29] <Fiik> hello,.. I am downloading 4.10 right now and was wondering what kernel ver it was?  I have heard 2.6.8.1?
[11:29] <bigtony> ok will try
[11:29] <Treenaks> Fiik: that's correct
[11:29] <z0mbi3> well, it does work.....when it wants to :p
[11:29] <bigtony> thank you guys for the help by the way
[11:29] <Fiik> Treenaks: Thanks for that
[11:30] <nimc> z0mbi3, elaborate...?:)
[11:30] <z0mbi3> I had to rebuild rhythmbox with the --with-ipod option in configure, but I'm having trouble mounting the ipod
[11:30] <jobezone> bigtony, it's just a symlink to samba, if samba was installed it would start when you booted your computer.
[11:30] <z0mbi3> the modules sometime work, other thimes don't work
[11:30] <z0mbi3> grunf!
[11:30] <bigtony> so stillr emove ?
[11:31] <jobezone> yes
[11:31] <z0mbi3> If I reboot, probably it will fix, until I unmount the ipod again.....
[11:31] <nimc> u use rhythmbox as an itunes clone? not something like gtkpod ?
[11:31] <Lowry> what is a good lcd font?
[11:31] <Fiik> not that it's an entirely ubuntu related question but what is the sil_sata driver status for 2.6.8.1?  any links?
[11:31] <bigtony> ok now try it again?
[11:31] <bigtony> as in a reinstall?
[11:31] <jobezone> bigtony, first uninstall
[11:31] <z0mbi3> I use it just to access my music on the iPod, my other computer is an iBook running MacOS X, so I'm actually using iTunes to fill the iPod up
[11:31] <bigtony> just hit mark unistall?
[11:32] <jobezone> bigtony, yes
[11:32] <bigtony> sorry new on this and obviously i'm doing somethign wrong ok
[11:32] <bigtony> let me try
[11:32] <nimc> ok
[11:32] <z0mbi3> to disconnect the iPod I must umount /mnt/ipod then rmmod sbp2
[11:33] <z0mbi3> If I reboot without disconnecting the iPod I'll have troubles after reconnecting it.....AFAIK this has been it's Modus Operandi
[11:34] <z0mbi3> my problems with rebooting (other than having to lose a bit os uptime) is that sometimes the machine doesn't boot....
[11:34] <jobezone> bigtony, you can also got to a console and type "sudo apt-get remove samba" (or substitute samba with another package name you want to uninstall)
[11:34] <z0mbi3> it freezes while running the hotplug init script
[11:35] <z0mbi3> after giving me a FATAL: hw_random module error (can't recall the actual text)
[11:35] <bigtony> ok that seemed to have worked
[11:35] <bigtony> now reinstall it?
[11:36] <nimc> z0mbi3, i'll try it a little later and tell u what i get if you're still here.... which instructions should i follow to install the ipod stuff? link?
[11:36] <jobezone> bigtony, yeah. I never installed samba (never had to), but at least it's uninstalled proper
[11:36] <jobezone> bigtony, it didn't give any more errors right?
[11:36] <z0mbi3> nimc, just a sec
[11:36] <bigtony> correct
[11:36] <z0mbi3> let me look for them
[11:36] <jobezone> bigtony, I would sugest that after you install samba
[11:36] <jobezone> you go to the directory /usr/share/doc/
[11:37] <jobezone> there should be a directory called samba there, with texts which probably can help you in using and configuring it.
[11:37] <bigtony> yeah i know how to do that the conf file?
[11:38] <jobezone> sorry?
[11:38] <z0mbi3> nimc, http://people.csail.mit.edu/people/adonovan/hacks/ipod.html
[11:38] <bigtony> i already did taht one time but then i got this error thing
[11:38] <bigtony> and it was pissing me off ;)
[11:38] <z0mbi3> nimc, http://neuron.com/~jason/ipod_archive.html
[11:38] <bigtony> thanks for your help
[11:38] <jobezone> :) ok
[11:38] <z0mbi3> nimc, http://www.cs.duke.edu/~geha/ipod/
[11:38] <jobezone> look for the directory I mentioned in your disk, it usually gives good hints
[11:38] <nimc> thanks.....
[11:40] <z0mbi3> well, gonna try to reboot...
[11:40] <z0mbi3> brb
[11:40] <bigtony> thanks again i'm goint to bed on that one :)
[11:41] <jobezone> ok:)
[11:41] <jobezone> bigtony, good luck. try searching the net using the error you got
[11:41] <bigtony> i did
[11:41] <bigtony> but i never could figure out how to solve it
[11:42] <bigtony> thats how i got that page i posted
[11:42] <jobezone> ah
[11:42] <bigtony> googles my friend
[11:42] <bigtony> but someone's he is a butt
[11:42] <jobezone> yes, it's mine also. Google groups also a good friend
[11:42] <jobezone> for error messages
[11:43] <bigtony> didn't try the groups
[11:43] <bigtony> will do that nextime
[11:43] <bigtony> thanks again
[11:43] <bigtony> next task is mplayer
[11:43] <jobezone> welcome
[11:43] <bigtony> fun fun fun
[11:43] <jobezone> I think I saw that
[11:43] <jobezone> on the forums
[11:43] <bigtony> yeah
[11:43] <bigtony> i have the url for it
[11:43] <bigtony> gonna try it after some sleep
[11:43] <bigtony> thank god no work today
[11:43] <jobezone> ah, ok
[11:43] <jobezone> me too
[11:44] <bigtony> this the one your refering to?
[11:44] <bigtony> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-127198.html
[11:44] <linux_mafia> god dosent exist
[11:44] <jobezone> yes:)
[11:44] <bigtony> hope your right when yoru burning in hell
[11:45] <bigtony> but i'm not getting into religious stuff cause personally i don't care one way or another :)
[11:45] <jobezone> wait a minute, isn't mplayer in Universe?
[11:45] <bigtony> i thought so
[11:45] <bigtony> here is the thing
[11:45] <bigtony> i installed it right
[11:46] <bigtony> with the mplayer-custom
[11:46] <bigtony> but it NEVER
[11:46] <jobezone> I think the only manual thing you have to do is get the codecs from mplayer's site
[11:46] <bigtony> opens
[11:46] <bigtony> let me show youw hat it does
[11:46] <jobezone> ok
[11:46] <bigtony> check your pm
[11:47] <Sandman> Does Ubunutu have its own repositories?
[11:47] <Mithrandir> Sandman: yes.
[11:47] <Sandman> Does it include software like mplayer, which Debian doesn't include?
[11:48] <daniels> it includes mplayer, but no codecs
[11:48] <daniels> we don't distribute anything illegal
[11:48] <Sandman> And will Ubuntu give Debian the shaft, like so many of its other offshoots? That is to say, will Ubuntu work with Debian, or will it basically fork?
[11:48] <Sandman> daniels: Of course
[11:49] <daniels> we will continue to work productively with debian, as we always have
[11:49] <linux_mafia> Sandman, definately work with
[11:49] <Sandman> I've just been very concerned about Debian lately; I still believe it is the Best Distribution (or at least, framework for distribution) on planet earth
[11:49] <linux_mafia> Sandman, many ubuntu devs are also debian devs, like the guy your talking to now
[11:49] <Sandman> And many distributions just basically copy Debian, and fork, which really hurts them.
[11:49] <Treenaks> debian has a lot of social problems that need to be solved, imho
[11:50] <Sandman> Treenaks: So mean, like removing packages for personal issues?
[11:50] <jdub> Sandman: ubuntu is a branch of sid
[11:50] <Treenaks> Sandman: no, "fighting" between developers, lots of flamewars
[11:50] <jdub> Sandman: not a fork
[11:51] <Sandman> Treenaks: How does Ubuntu propose to fix thse issues?
[11:51] <Sandman> Treenaks: these, rather
[11:51] <daniels> (note that we have a continuous sync with debian running, so that if we deeply forked, we'd be drowning in unfixable bugs)
[11:51] <Amaranth> Sandman: By forking. :P
[11:51] <Treenaks> Amaranth: branching
[11:51] <Amaranth> Treenaks: Fine line there.
[11:51] <Sandman> Treenaks: Branching, that is to say: You use Sid, but have different QA for how they trickle down into Stable?
[11:52] <jdub> Amaranth: look at hoary.
[11:52] <Sandman> My main issue with Debian is that they don't support their Testing distribtion.
[11:52] <Amaranth> I know, hoary is just pulling from sid.
[11:52] <Sandman> Someone could make an effective distribution by simply branching Testing, and offering security updates to it.
[11:52] <jdub> Sandman: each ubuntu release starts from sid, freezes, and comes out every six months
[11:52] <linux_mafia> Sandman, smaller team, tightly defined direction, etc
[11:52] <Sandman> Which is something a great many people want.
[11:52] <Treenaks> But I used to be a debian developer.. one of my reasons to stop (aside from lack of time..) was the way people try to make you do what THEY want, even if it's not the best thing for the project
[11:52] <jdub> Sandman: we've chosen to do that with sid, not testing.
[11:53] <Sandman> jdub: Which is fine. ALthough you'd probably require an even smaller staff if you chose to use Testing =) That's just my opinion though.
[11:53] <Sandman> jdub: I totally understand the purpose of Ubuntu now, though.
[11:53] <Amaranth> Treenaks: Not to mention all the people that hate debian devs.
[11:53] <Treenaks> Also, I've seen quite a few fixed-by-ubuntu entries in Debian changelogs on sid/testing
[11:53] <Sandman> jdub: There's definately still a need for it.
[11:53] <jdub> Sandman: not really; using testing just keeps you in the debian release box.
[11:53] <Treenaks> Amaranth: yes, even when I tried to be reasonable with them..
[11:53] <Sandman> jdub: Except that Debian only releases when it's ready, which could be as long as 2 years.
[11:53] <Amaranth> Treenaks: Lots of Debian devs seem to like to move files around to make them fit in and it causes things to break.
[11:54] <jdub> Sandman: that's why we branch off sid, not testing.
[11:54] <Amaranth> Like the monodevelop package.
[11:54] <Sandman> jdub: Understood.
[11:54] <Mithrandir> Sandman: the problem with Debian releases is not that they're infrequent, it's that they're unpredictable.
[11:54] <Sandman> jdub: The way Debian works right now is a method to effectively develop a rock-solid Stable distro. It's old, very secure, not necessarily totally bug-free.
[11:54] <Treenaks> Amaranth: mono is a broken hell by design, it seems.. executables named ".exe"? libraries named ".dll"?
[11:54] <Sandman> jdub: It's a great thing, Debian Stable, but it's not a solution for all things.
[11:54] <Treenaks> Amaranth: no standard GNU-ish build-trees for Mono packages..
[11:55] <Sandman> jdub: What Ubuntu is doing is something useful, and it's great that it has chosen to work with Debian, rather than away from it.
[11:55] <Amaranth> Treenaks: Hmm?
[11:55] <scandium> Treenaks: no one forces you to use mono, you could just look at DotGNU instead, too ;)
[11:55] <Sandman> Mithrandir: That, too.
[11:55] <Treenaks> Amaranth: no simple "gcc-ish" interface, ("gcc blah.c" generates "a.out" which works, there's no equal for mono)
[11:55] <Amaranth> Treenaks: mcs blah.cs generates blah.exe
[11:55] <Sandman> Mithrandir: But Debian's release policy still has its uses. It makes very very solid, dependable releases. Although it has its fair share of problems imho, but that's a whole other issue.
[11:55] <mlh> Treenaks, same as any interpreted language
[11:56] <Treenaks> Amaranth: yes, with loads of undefined references because of "Assembly not found"
[11:56] <Treenaks> mlh: even perl Just Works... mono doesn't
[11:56] <jdub> Treenaks: mono .exe/.dll are not a 'broken design' problem
[11:56] <Amaranth> With binfmt you can just run ./text.exe just like with something gcc created.
[11:57] <Gavrila> hi all
[11:57] <daniels> Treenaks: um, if you want to generate a complex C program, you need lots of flags
[11:58] <Gavrila> in ubuntu are updates to the stable version made even not waiting for next release?
[11:58] <daniels> Treenaks: look at any GNOME compilation -- starting with -lX11 and right up to bazillions of other utility library
[11:58] <Treenaks> jdub: not being able to create a simple GNU-like build tree in 2 seconds (like I can for C stuff)..
[11:58] <daniels> Treenaks: you cannot run 'gcc -o foo bar.c' on any modern program other than Hello World, period
[11:58] <Gavrila> I mean if I get ubuntu stable, will "stable" packages be freezed until next release? or will they be updated day by day?
[11:58] <Mithrandir> Gavrila: security updates only.
[11:58] <Treenaks> whats wrong with make?
[11:58] <Amaranth> daniels: bin2iso works like that ;)
[11:58] <Amaranth> Treenaks: You can use makefiles with mono.
[11:59] <Amaranth> Treenaks: Look at IronPython
[11:59] <Gavrila> Mithrandir: so for example Warty has been released with gnome-2.8
[11:59] <jdub> Treenaks: i don't think that's true.
[11:59] <daniels> Treenaks: exactly, what is wrong with make?  works just fine for the two mono projects I've made
[11:59] <Gavrila> Mithrandir: and there will be no uptade untill next 6 monthS?
[11:59] <jdub> Gavrila: stable releases are stable (unchanging)
[11:59] <Mithrandir> Gavrila: correct.
[11:59] <Mithrandir> Gavrila: unless one runs the development bracn, naturally.
[11:59] <Treenaks> daniels: I tried to use mono, but stopped at creating a source tree.. it's just impossible, compared to a Gnome-using-C tree
[11:59] <Gavrila> Mithrandir: but yet development is really unreliable
[12:00] <Elwood_Hawaii> and hoary?it will update every second?
[12:00] <Amaranth> Treenaks: I call PEBKAC.
[12:00] <Mithrandir> Gavrila: hm?  Unreliable in what regard?
[12:01] <daniels> Treenaks: worked fine for me
[12:01] <Gavrila> Mithrandir: I mean it will not assure that packages will work
[12:01] <Gavrila> am I wrong?
[12:01] <Mithrandir> Gavrila: that's right, you should not run it in a production system.
[12:01] <stvn> Gavrila: you can't have both a stable desktop and one that includes the newest of the newest, ubuntu made a nice compromise with warty and hoary IMHO
[12:01] <Mithrandir> Gavrila: but there won't be a stable release of gnome before March, at which point the hoary preview release goes out.
[12:02] <z0mbi3> back
[12:02] <Gavrila> Mithrandir: and what about gnome-2.8.1?
[12:02] <Amaranth> That reminds me, will hoary eventually be using GNOME 2.9?
[12:02] <Mithrandir> Gavrila: warty already includes a lot of the fixes in gnome 2.8.1
[12:02] <stvn> Amaranth: no, 2.9 = unstable
[12:02] <Mithrandir> Amaranth: I believe the stable release of gnome 2.9 is called gnome 2.10
[12:02] <Amaranth> stvn: Yes, just like hoary.
[12:02] <seb128> Amaranth: hoary already has 2.9.1
[12:02] <Amaranth> Oh?
[12:02] <jdub> Amaranth: hoary already includes the 2.9 development stuff
[12:03] <stvn> Amaranth: ah sorry, misread it :)
[12:03] <Amaranth> I've still got 2.8.1. :/
[12:03] <stvn> Amaranth: it will be 2.10 when hoary is released
[12:03] <seb128> the "about" says 2.8.1 because this module has no 2.9.1 tarball
[12:03] <Amaranth> stvn: I know.
[12:03] <seb128> Amaranth: dpkg -l gnome-applets ?
[12:03] <Sandman> I hope Ubuntu will work with UMSDOS =)
[12:03] <Gavrila> is hoary unstable as debian unstable is? or worse?
[12:04] <Sandman> Or rather, contribute to it, I mean.
[12:04] <Amaranth> seb128: 2.9.1, cool
[12:04] <Amaranth> Gavrila: hoary is like a mix of sid and experimental
[12:05] <Amaranth> Actually, so is warty (GNOME 2.8) but yeah.
[12:05] <Sandman> Given that Ubuntu is based on Debian, will one be able to apt-get upgrade when a new release is made, or must one download the ISOs again?
[12:05] <Amaranth> Sandman: apt-get works
[12:06] <jdub> Sandman: on-line upgrade is a feature we couldn't possibly nuke :)
[12:06] <stvn> heh
[12:06] <mjr> hmh, I try to change the WWW browser to Galeon and still gnome-terminal opens firefox
[12:06] <Lowry> night
[12:06] <Amaranth> mjr: You changed sensible-browser?
[12:06] <seb128> mjr: gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command ?
[12:07] <mjr> Amaranth, no, the gnome preferred browser
[12:08] <seb128> mjr: gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command ?
[12:08] <seb128> (again)
[12:08] <Amaranth> Oh, I just changed the symlink.
[12:09] <mjr> seb128, yes, that's galeon
[12:11] <stvn> Treenaks: voor 3D spelletjes is de nvidia driver anders wel prettig hoor
[12:11] <mjr> hmh, I rebooted gnome-terminal and now it works
[12:11] <Treenaks> stvn: ja.. dat bedoel ik..
[12:15] <mjr> hmh, and now, after restarting gnome-terminal, it recognizes the changes on the fly
[12:16] <mjr> it's a heisenbug
[12:21] <linux_mafia> anyone using current hoary, geting crashes with xmms?
[12:24] <deFrysk> linux_mafia, use esd as out[ut driver
[12:24] <deFrysk> out[ut
[12:24] <deFrysk> p
[12:24] <deFrysk> then it works fine
[12:25] <linux_mafia> deFrysk, ok
[12:25] <linux_mafia> deFrysk, meltdown with flash?
[12:27] <daniels> transset deb: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ transset/
[12:31] <deFrysk> linu
[12:32] <netmonk> I have a question, can someone help me, please!
[12:36] <deFrysk> netmonk, unless u ask noone can
[12:37] <netmonk> ;)
[12:38] <netmonk> i have a toshiba notebook, there's a module toshiba_acpi but it doesn't load automaticaly, How can I make it load?
[12:40] <netmonk> on my suse distro it loads as I start the computer, but with the ubunutu it doesn't
[12:41] <Despair> netmonk: add `toshiba_acpi` to /etc/modules
[12:44] <netmonk> 10x Despair
[12:46] <atropu1> I mount a floppy disk but I don't umount before I take it out and after I don't umount it: device is busy
[12:47] <atropu1> How can I use a new floppy after that?
[12:47] <Elwood_Hawaii> fuser /dev/fd0
[12:48] <atropu1> tnx
[12:49] <Elwood_Hawaii> atropu1,  kill the process
[12:50] <atropu1> what kind of process? ps -e
[12:51] <Elwood_Hawaii> atropu1,  the process number showed by fuser
[12:52] <Elwood_Hawaii> fuser  /dev/ttyLT0
[12:52] <Elwood_Hawaii> /dev/ttyLT0:          3152
[12:53] <atropu1> the fuser /dev/fd0 doesn't write it the pid
[12:53] <atropu1> for me
[12:54] <Elwood_Hawaii> atropu1, try mount whitout args and check what said
[12:54] <atropu1> with fuser -c /dev/fd0 its ok
[12:55] <atropu1> tnx
[12:59] <seek187> Is there a way to get the 'Computer' and 'Home' On the desktop like how it is in horay or whatever its called???
[12:59] <Treenaks> seek187: hoary
[01:00] <Treenaks> seek187: and, you can use gconf-editor for that I think
[01:00] <seek187> hmm ok thanks
[01:00] <Treenaks> seek187: wait a sec
[01:00] <seek187> ok
[01:00] <Treenaks> seek187: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.1393795212/view
[01:01] <seek187> ah cool thankyou :)
[01:11] <quazion> i am trying to configure the use of an lpr printer, is lpd the right choice in the new printer menu ?
[01:12] <Treenaks> Quazion: yes
[01:12] <b_e_n_z> Quazion: no, use cups
[01:12] <Treenaks> b_e_n_z: in the cups menu..
[01:12] <Quazion> hmmm
[01:13] <Treenaks> b_e_n_z: you can make cups print to lpd printers (and "lpd printer" is the same as an "lpr printer")
[01:13] <Quazion> if i type in the que name i get * (stars) instead of a name
[01:13] <b_e_n_z> Quazion: install cups, point your browser to http://localhost:631 to configure your printer
[01:14] <Quazion> Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu Computer > System configuration > Printing. ;-)
[01:14] <Treenaks> b_e_n_z: NO
[01:14] <Treenaks> b_e_n_z: that's disabled
[01:14] <Treenaks> b_e_n_z: in ubuntu...
[01:15] <Quazion> hehe ;-)
[01:15] <Quazion> the page works though
[01:15] <Treenaks> Quazion: exactly :) and you can choose for an "lpr" or "lpd" printer there, the 2 are the same thing
[01:15] <Treenaks> Quazion: did you enable a root password then? (if so, why?)
[01:15] <Quazion> no
[01:16] <Quazion> i just did a plain install
[01:16] <Treenaks> Quazion: and the web interface works?.. weird
[01:16] <Quazion> it says its disabled
[01:16] <Quazion> but does show the info
[01:16] <Quazion> Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu Computer > System configuration > Printing.
[01:16] <Quazion> thats what it says at the top of the screen
[01:16] <Quazion> i cant change anything tru the web interface
[01:16] <Treenaks> Quazion: ah ok, that's good..
[01:16] <Treenaks> Quazion: use the menu :)
[01:16] <Quazion> i think it is yes
[01:20] <Quazion> when i print it does nothing
[01:20] <Quazion> on the cups site it says:
[01:20] <Quazion>  Printer State: processing, accepting jobs.
[01:20] <Quazion> "unable to create temporary file: No such file or directory"
[01:20] <Treenaks> Quazion: hmm.. that's weird..
[01:20] <Quazion> Device URI: lpd://192.168.1.253/hp
[01:20] <Treenaks> any cups gurus around?
[01:20] <Quazion> *grins* :)
[01:21] <b_e_n_z> Quazion: you have an hp printer?
[01:21] <Quazion> yes
[01:21] <b_e_n_z> Quazion: you may want to install hpoj/hpij
[01:21] <Quazion> a hp psc 2110
[01:21] <Quazion> but its hooked to a lan print server
[01:21] <b_e_n_z> Quazion: and the hp foomatic drivers
[01:28] <pax82> how to run hat program witch i deafult statring after instalation ? (upgrade from interent)
[01:28] <daniels> pax82: try #redhat
[01:29] <pax82> I'm asking about ubuntu :>
[01:29] <thoreauputic> daniels: typos i think
[01:30] <thoreauputic> maybe language probs as well
[01:30] <b_e_n_z> i can understand a word he just said
[01:30] <b_e_n_z> can't
[01:30] <thoreauputic> pax82: do you mean the program for installing and updating?
[01:30] <b_e_n_z> he's gone
[01:30] <Despair> hmm, maybe "How to run that program which I default start after installation? (upgrade from internet)"
[01:30] <b_e_n_z> probably to #redhat
[01:31] <thoreauputic> too late :/ he left already
[01:32] <Quazion> the gnome cups manager is very borked
[01:32] <daniels> oh, i read 'run hat' as 'red hat'
[01:34] <b_e_n_z> Quazion: you want http://hpoj.sourceforge.net
[01:35] <Quazion> i had it working tru a windows smb server which shared the server
[01:35] <Quazion> but i want to dismantle the windows computer, so i bought a lpr printserver
[01:35] <b_e_n_z> Quazion: and http://hpinkjet.sf.net
[01:35] <Quazion> which works from my windows client
[01:38] <Quazion> my problem is not with the printer driver, cause it works b_e_n_z atleast tru smb printing, just lpr is not working, but thanks anyways :)
[01:44] <noda> Now that I've got x.org, how can I give my menus drop-shadows?
[01:45] <b_e_n_z> noda: xcompmgr
[01:45] <noda> I apt-cache searched for it and found nothing
[01:46] <fabbione> it's not in the archive yet
[01:46] <noda> oh :)
[01:46] <cenerentola> ciao
[01:46] <noda> That'd explain it :)
[01:46] <fabbione> it will be within today or tomorrow
[01:46] <fabbione> ciao
[01:46] <noda> And when I install it it'll just work?
[01:46] <b_e_n_z> i think metacity has some support for drop shadow... but i am not 100% sure
[01:46] <fabbione> noda: yes
[01:47] <noda> Next: nautilus is taking ages to open folders, and the file load/save dialogs are taking ages to open. Does anyone else have this problem (or a suggestion)?
[01:48] <noda> A quick test of "gnomevfs-cat" and "gnomevfs-ls" showed that they run quickly.
[01:49] <jdub> noda: using hoary?
[01:49] <noda> yup
[01:49] <jdub> have you upgraded, watched libgamin replace libfam, and not installed gamin?
[01:49] <noda> Yes, I have probably done exactly that :)
[01:49] <noda> I didn't realize I had to install a daemon :)
[01:49] <noda> Thanks :)
[01:49] <noda> Very fast now :)
[01:50] <noda> Wow, that's cool. jdub, you rock :)
[01:50] <jdub> ubuntu-desktop should depend on it
[01:50] <jdub> martink: ;)
[01:51] <noda> Wow, I don't have ubuntu-desktop installed. Maybe because I switched to totem-xine
[01:51] <port7> will ubuntu ever do tv adverts?
[01:51] <martink> jdub, and I didn't blame the terminal for the delay
[01:52] <jdub> martink: hahaha
[01:53] <cenerentola_> ...
[01:54] <noda> jdub: Thanks for your help. Later :)
[01:57] <n1teman> hi can anyone give me some info?
[01:58] <secretaris> I modified the username and password of the only sudoer on the system
[01:59] <n1teman> i was just wondering if there is an ubuntu distro for powerpc machines - common hardware reference platform?
[01:59] <secretaris> is there a way out of that?
[01:59] <robertj> anyone on hoary experiencing problems with burning cds?
[01:59] <Treenaks> secretaris: uh.. vi did visudo and passwd ?
[01:59] <robertj> niteman: yes, it's fully supported. Grab the ppc disk
[01:59] <n1teman> so it should work on my pegasos ppc machine?
[01:59] <Treenaks> secretaris: boot in recovery mode, and visudo, change the username
[01:59] <secretaris> ok, thx
[01:59] <secretaris> bye
[02:00] <linux_mafia> robertj, problems? specifics?
[02:00] <robertj> linux: right click and burning an iso causes a crash, cdrecord -scanbus shows nothing
[02:00] <robertj> xcdroast detects no burner
[02:01] <seek187> hmm is there a easy way to upgrade gaim
[02:01] <SmokingFire> robertj: to use cdrecord use cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom
[02:01] <lupus_> do only not removable IDE support smart?
[02:01] <linux_mafia> robertj, yes i have nautilus prob, running xcdroast under sudo?
[02:01] <cenerentola> ive got problems with hoary
[02:02] <Treenaks> linux_mafia: use gksudo
[02:02] <cenerentola> ive upgraded to hoary
[02:02] <linux_mafia> Treenaks, what for?
[02:02] <Treenaks> linux_mafia: to start X apps
[02:02] <cenerentola> and now i can use gdm only in 640*480
[02:02] <Treenaks> linux_mafia: s root
[02:02] <SmokingFire> robertj: linux2.6 or something doesn't support the scsi burner way of scanbus but using /dev/cdrom works arround this.
[02:02] <cenerentola> and if i try to install anything it gives an error, in synaptic, for eggdesktopentries.c line 2223
[02:03] <linux_mafia> Treenaks, oh, no, i was asking robertj if he is using xcdroast with sudo, because of 2.6.8.x cd burning bug/prob
[02:03] <Treenaks> linux_mafia: oh ah ok
[02:05] <cenerentola> who can help?
[02:05] <robertj> I used the disk utility which lists all your disks
[02:05] <robertj> it showed /dev/hddd to be the rw drive
[02:05] <robertj> and thats working
[02:06] <cenerentola> plz help.. ive got an instable connection i dont know for how much time i will be online
[02:07] <bezak> backing up mp3's to my ipod bout to do a format, the fear is setting in haha
[02:08] <bezak> cerentol: shouldve stuck to the stable install hehe
[02:09] <cenerentola> ... well yes.. but how can i change screen resolution?
[02:09] <cenerentola> its stuck in 640 even if it doesnt appear in xorg.config
[02:10] <bezak> cerentol: i'm sorry im no expert with gdm or xfree
[02:11] <cenerentola> no its xorg... ;)
[02:12] <jdub> cenerentola: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:12] <cenerentola> ive already checked it...
[02:12] <cenerentola> and it doesnt even appear 640*480
[02:12] <cenerentola> they are all higher resolutions
[02:12] <jdub> check the xorg logfiles, it's probably not working
[02:13] <cenerentola> they're in?
[02:14] <cenerentola> jdub: whats eggdesktopentries.c related to?
[02:15] <pao> Hi all! How do I control window placement strategy in metacity?
[02:15] <jdub> pao: you can't.
[02:16] <pao> jdub, I was fearing it :-)
[02:16] <pao> jdub, do you think I can get the same level of gnome integration with icewm?
[02:16] <jdub> perhaps, see if it supports the freedesktop.org window management standards
[02:17] <daniels> word up to ewmh
[02:17] <pao> jdub, thanks...
[02:18] <cenerentola> jdub: where are xorg logs located?
[02:18] <pao> daniels, enlightment?
[02:19] <jdub> cenerentola: /var/logs/
[02:21] <kensai> so cds are already shipping!
[02:22] <ghostrifle> hi, could anyone help me with getting sound juicer to encode mp3s ?? the mp3 option is disabled
[02:22] <kensai> anyone has enabled composite in xorg?
[02:22] <seek187> what all do I need to install to compile programs
[02:23] <cenerentola> jdub: youre right (EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (module does not exist, 0)
[02:23] <daniels> cenerentola: you're using the nvidia binary driver
[02:23] <cenerentola> yes
[02:23] <cenerentola> i was actually ;)
[02:24] <daniels> don't do that
[02:24] <cenerentola> too late...
[02:24] <daniels> or, if you do that, do it properly
[02:24] <cenerentola> how?;)
[02:24] <daniels> don't load the GLcore or dri modules
[02:24] <cenerentola> daniels: well what do you mean?
[02:25] <cenerentola> ahh.. and will it get all up working
[02:25] <cenerentola> ?
[02:25] <daniels> maybe, I don't know
[02:25] <daniels> i don't have any nvidia hardware
[02:25] <thoreauputic> seek187: sudo apt-get install build-essential gcc g++ make automake   (that should cover it I think)
[02:26] <pao> How do I check if my xchat support python?
[02:26] <ghostrifle> join /#gnome-de
[02:26] <thoreauputic> pao: it does
[02:27] <thoreauputic> pao: assuming you are using ubuntu
[02:27] <pao> thoreauputic, I do :-)
[02:28] <gen> morning guys
[02:28] <pao> 'evening gen :-)
[02:28] <gen> morning for me :)
[02:28] <gen> 7:30 heh
[02:28] <pao> 14:30 here... :-)
[02:29] <gen> europe?
[02:29] <pao> yep... Italy
[02:29] <pao> CET :-)
[02:29] <pao> Central European Time
[02:30] <gen> nice
[02:30] <Treenaks> run "TZ=CET date" in a shell :P
[02:33] <pao> bye all friends... back to work...
[02:33] <gen> bye
[02:33] <pao> CIAO!
[02:34] <LifesizeKenDoll> so how's everyone doing today?
[02:34] <gen> i'm good, and you?
[02:40] <cenerentola> daniels: quite the same
[02:42] <cenerentola> http://www.pastebin.com/118552
[02:43] <daniels> all I see is the authentication problems
[02:43] <daniels> which are probably caused by a crackful ~/.Xauthority
[02:43] <daniels> nothing to do with any actual server problems
[02:44] <cenerentola> so what should i do?
[02:45] <cenerentola> daniels: what should i do?
[02:45] <daniels> which problem are you actually trying to fix?
[02:45] <cenerentola> im stuck in 640*480
[02:47] <cenerentola> daniels: and it also complains with a eggdesktopentries.c line 2223
[02:47] <cenerentola> daniels: it=apt-get
[02:48] <daniels> cenerentola: yeah, that's not fatal
[02:49] <cenerentola> thx for the infos...
[02:49] <cenerentola> daniels: now how can i get over it?
[02:49] <daniels> dunno
[02:50] <cenerentola> can you ask in devel?
[02:50] <cenerentola> i mean over the resolution problem... thats vital
[02:51] <cenerentola> daniels: the eggdesk.. thing is less important
[02:52] <daniels> dunno
[02:52] <daniels> edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:52] <daniels> delete HorizSync/VertRefresh lines
[02:52] <cenerentola> in the monitor settings? only that?
[02:54] <LinuxJones> Good morning everybody :)
[02:54] <cenerentola> ... ill reboot
[02:54] <LifesizeKenDoll> rebooting is for losers
[02:54] <LifesizeKenDoll> LinuxJones: good morning
[02:59] <kvm> hi
[03:00] <kvm> how come the command "init 3" do nothing except freezing my pc?
[03:00] <kvm> is it something repairable?
[03:07] <Quazion> fixxed my printing problem :) somehow cups went wild and created a 100 lpd print jobs that hang,so my new settings didnt work until i reboted :)
[03:09] <daniels> cenerentola: oh well, then no idea, sorry
[03:10] <cenerentola> daniels: maybe ull like this alittle more http://www.pastebin.com/118558
[03:11] <daniels> cenerentola: dude
[03:11] <daniels> (WW) NVIDIA(0): config file hsync range 28-33kHz not within DDC hsync ranges.
[03:11] <daniels> (WW) NVIDIA(0): config file vrefresh range 43-72Hz not within DDC vrefresh ranges.
[03:11] <daniels> cenerentola: delete horizsync and vertrefresh from /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:11] <cenerentola> ive already done it
[03:11] <cenerentola> ...
[03:11] <cenerentola> ...
[03:11] <cenerentola> ...
[03:11] <cenerentola> sorry
[03:12] <gwildor_> morning (for me) room
[03:14] <Quazion> how do i add new fonts ?
[03:16] <jdub> Quazion: open nautilus, hit ctrl-l, type "fonts:///"
[03:16] <jdub> Quazion: drag stuff in there
[03:16] <Quazion> k thanks
[03:17] <Quazion> wonder why there isnt a link to it somewhere
[03:17] <jdub> there is, but somewhat hidden :)
[03:17] <Quazion> seems the fonts are locked
[03:17] <jdub> it's in computer > desktop preferences > font; then details, then 'go to fonts folder'
[03:17] <jdub> the fonts listed there already are system fonts
[03:18] <jdub> if you drag fonts in there, they'll be installed for your user only (in ~/.fonts)
[03:18] <Quazion> sounds logical
[03:22] <Quazion> seems to work, although it doesnt show in the fonts folder ;-)
[03:24] <Keybuk> jdub: yeah, that button should be under "Font Preferences" and not hidden under "Details"
[03:24] <Quazion> indeed, feels not logical :)
[03:27] <jdub> Keybuk: i've toyed with the idea of that view being the primary font preferences window, with the other bits as a bar at the top or something
[03:34] <edd> does hoary have a newer kernel?
[03:34] <jdub> only slightly
[03:34] <jdub> it fixes two configuration changes that crept into warty
[03:34] <edd> so no good for getting my hands on 2.6.9?
[03:35] <gholen> How do I install XMMS in ubuntu?
[03:35] <daniels> edd: mjg59 has a test 2.6.9 kernel with swsusp love, iirc
[03:35] <daniels> mjg59: OBNOXIOUS HIGHLIGHTING TRIGGER ^^
[03:35] <Deviled> ghoeln - open the console and type in "sudo apt-get install xmms"
[03:36] <edd> daniels: oh cool. see, i'm moving my main laptop to ubuntu in a fit of recklessness
[03:36] <daniels> edd: rad!
[03:36] <gholen> gonna try it
[03:37] <Deviled> maybe you should do "sudo apt-get update" first ;)
[03:37] <Elwood> ubuntu to all
[03:37] <mjg59> edd: http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/laptops/
[03:37] <Deviled> el, yeah, i removed my winxp partiotion yesterday ;)
[03:37] <Elwood> i have just get xorg from hoary but it crashes saying no core device, crash on keyboard...
[03:38] <edd> mjg59: cool. i'll likely bug you a little :)
[03:39] <gwildor_> hi guys
[03:39] <Elwood> EE) No Input driver matching `Keyboard'
[03:39] <Elwood> (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Mouse1" (type: MOUSE)
[03:39] <Elwood> (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "NVIDIA Event Handler" (type: Other)
[03:39] <Elwood> (II) Mouse1: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
[03:39] <Elwood> No core keyboard
[03:39] <Elwood> any idea?
[03:40] <daniels> nvidia event handler??
[03:40] <daniels> what did you do to your config file?
[03:40] <Elwood> daniels,  the config is ok..the same of xfree86
[03:41] <Elwood> it failed to initialize core  devices
[03:41] <daniels> where did nvidia event handler come from?
[03:41] <Elwood> i suppose from my nvdia driver?
[03:42] <daniels> try changing "keyboard" to "kbd"
[03:42] <daniels> but I don't know, dude
[03:42] <LinuxJones> hi gwildor_
[03:42] <gen> gwil dor as in masters of the universe?
[03:42] <gen> ahah
[03:42] <Rene_S> Bleh, its winter .... :(
[03:43] <LinuxJones> Rene_S, we got out first snow flurries yesterday :(
[03:43] <gholen> did not work, am i to change anything?
[03:43] <Elwood> daniels,  ok thnks
[03:43] <Rene_S> LinuxJones, yeah same here
[03:43] <bwlang> anybody know how to setup a usb key to be a home dir for the live cd of ubuntu?
[03:44] <LinuxJones> Rene_S, I see your on Rogers you poor soul :D
[03:44] <Rene_S> LinuxJones, well I am not a big fan of Sympatico
[03:45] <LinuxJones> Rene_S, Sympatico and Rogers are both garbage :)
[03:45] <gwildor_> gen, you know it  I HAVE THE POWER
[03:46] <Rene_S> LinuxJones, I have had rogers for 5 years now, got used to the level of service
[03:46] <Rene_S> LinuxJones, to lazy to switch
[03:46] <LinuxJones> Rene_S, heh I am surprised you not still running Microsoft products, J/K 8)
[03:47] <Rene_S> LinuxJones, Nah, Not even for gaming anymore, dont miss it at all
[03:47] <gwildor_> linuxjones, just so you know, I am that mirak noob that was here a few weeks ago, the mirak that hangs here now isnt me
[03:50] <nimc> what do i mount in /dev for firewire ?
[03:50] <Zindar> you never "mount" anything in /dev... from /dev perhaps.. but never in
[03:50] <nimc> ok:)
[03:50] <Deviled> hm, can somebody tell my how i get my AltGR button to work? it doesnt want to do the ..ahh... this thing to go to the home folder.... looks like a lyling s
[03:51] <Zindar> Deviled: usually it's enought to change from pc104 to pc105 in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[03:51] <nimc> webpage i'm looking at said /dev/sda2 - but there isn't such a thing hmm
[03:51] <mjg59> edd: The acpi-support scripts there ought to do suspend/resume on your machine, too
[03:51] <gholen> How do I install XMMS in ubuntu? did not work whit the atp-get
[03:51] <Zindar> at least that does it for swedish keyboards
[03:52] <Zindar> gholen: "sudo apt-get install xmms".. you MIGHT need to enable universe first
[03:52] <edd> mjg59: cool. i'll report back.
[03:52] <nimc> Zindar, do u know what i should use instead of /dev/sda2 ?
[03:52] <Quazion> How do i edit the menu's ?
[03:52] <Deviled> i'll try.. have a german keyboard
[03:52] <Zindar> nimc: no, are you sure you're firewire hardware is supported by linux...???
[03:52] <Zindar> nmic: it may not be
[03:52] <Zindar> nimc: that's the first thing to find out
[03:52] <gholen> univere are enabled!
[03:52] <nimc> Zindar, it's an ipod.... someone said here earlier that it is
[03:53] <Elwood>  Identifier  "Keyboard1"    Driver      "Keyboard"
[03:53] <Elwood> it should be keyboard0?
[03:53] <edd> mjg59: your packages are ok to use with warty?
[03:54] <nimc> Zindar, sorry, when i plug it in... /dev/sda2 appears
[03:54] <Zindar> nimc: ahh.. it is... however, the firewire hardware in your computer must be supported as well
[03:55] <Deviled> Zindar: could you say me where can i find pc104 in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ?
[03:55] <Zindar> nimc: alright.. that's good
[03:55] <Zindar> Deviled:         Option          "XkbModel"      "pc105"
[03:55] <LinuxJones> gwildor_, someone stole your nick ?
[03:56] <Deviled> Zindar: oh..k..found it..but it's already pc105 :/
[03:56] <Zindar> Deviled: than that's not the problem
[03:56] <nimc> Zindar, hmm now i get: mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[03:56] <Zindar> Deviled: sorry.. can't help you
[03:56] <mjg59> edd: Should be, yup
[03:56] <Zindar> nimc: are you running a windows ipod or a mac ipod?
[03:56] <gwildor_> linuxjones, he registered it, but didn't hang in this room, but he started coming here, and made me change it, pm's all day long
[03:56] <Zindar> nimc: I think it has to be converted to a windows ipod first...
[03:56] <Zindar> but I am not sure
[03:57] <LinuxJones> gwildor_, yikes
[03:57] <sjoerd> mac ipod should work fine
[03:57] <jono> hi all
[03:57] <nimc> Zindar, it's a windows formatted ipod
[03:57] <Zindar> nimc: I think you need help from someone who has a ipod.. I run iriver since it's better :)
[03:57] <LinuxJones> hi jono
[03:57] <jono> anyone use a palm with ubuntu?
[03:57] <Deviled> ah, ok, i have to press it twise..lol, should tried it out
[03:57] <gwildor_> LinuxJones, yeah, im not very happy with him
[03:57] <jono> I dont know which port is used in /dev - there is no /dev/pilot
[03:58] <nimc> i'll look at the websites in a little more detail.... if i don't get it i'll try to ask here some more...
[03:58] <Zindar> jono: probably a /dev/ttySx
[03:58] <Rene_S> /dev/co-pilot ?   hehe
[03:58] <Zindar> where x is a number
[03:58] <jono> it is a USB device though
[03:58] <Zindar> ahh
[03:58] <Zindar> than I have no idea
[03:58] <Treenaks> /dev/ttyUSBx ?
[03:58] <Treenaks> look in dmesg..
[03:59] <jono> there are no ttyUSB entries
[03:59] <jono> it doesnt say anything in /var/log/messages when I plug it in
[04:00] <Treenaks> jono: and in kern.log?
[04:00] <thoreauputic> ls /dev | grep -i usb  ?
[04:04] <britt_> hey
[04:04] <britt_> Got a question for you all
[04:04] <BrittMan914> hello
[04:05] <BrittMan914> can anybody help me
[04:05] <BrittMan914> ?
[04:05] <Zindar> BrittMan914: just ask
[04:05] <BrittMan914> alrigth
[04:06] <BrittMan914> anybody experience lockups in OpenOffice.Org when opening up multiple documents
[04:06] <BrittMan914> sorry
[04:06] <BrittMan914> i didnt know anybody was in here
[04:06] <deFrysk> 303 in here
[04:06] <gholen> okej, so now I've got the xmms and the plugin for greamer to play MP3's, but I can't install it, how do i du?
[04:06] <Quazion> more questions: i mounted an ftp server, how can other applications use that connection ?
[04:06] <Zindar> BrittMan914: nope.. never happened for me
[04:06] <BrittMan914> ok
[04:06] <BrittMan914> :0
[04:06] <BrittMan914> :)
[04:06] <Zindar> gholen: what do you mean "can't install"
[04:07] <BrittMan914> anybody know of a RealVNC client that is easy to install
[04:07] <gwildor_> gholen, where did you get it?, apt or synaptic should have installed them
[04:07] <deFrysk> gholen, just install the metapackage gstreamer-plugins to ge all plugins for gstreamer
[04:07] <wasabi> Where about is mplayer?
[04:07] <Zindar> BrittMan914: application -> internet -> terminal server client works for me with vnc
[04:07] <BrittMan914> cool
[04:07] <BrittMan914> let me try
[04:07] <deFrysk> gholen, meaning sudo apt-get install gstreamer-plugins
[04:07] <gwildor_> wasabi, marrilat, or ?multiverse?, if its universe ill get flamed
[04:08] <wasabi> what's the source for marrilat?
[04:08] <gholen> gnna try agian
[04:08] <gwildor_> wasabi, check "restrictedformats" on the wiki
[04:09] <gwildor_> if ogra|bot was here, he'd post the link
[04:09] <BrittMan914> alrigth
[04:09] <BrittMan914> tried that
[04:09] <BrittMan914> and i get a error
[04:10] <BrittMan914> libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 cannot be found
[04:10] <BrittMan914> what is that
[04:10] <BrittMan914> can i apt-get install those
[04:10] <BrittMan914> as a generic thing like libstdc?
[04:10] <gwildor_> BrittMan914, search in synaptic for it
[04:11] <BrittMan914> ok
[04:12] <BrittMan914> i think i did and i went down the list and installed all of them
[04:12] <BrittMan914> probly a bad thing
[04:12] <BrittMan914> hey how do you do that
[04:12] <gwildor_> "/me shrugs"
[04:12] <BrittMan914> cool
[04:12] <BrittMan914> :)
[04:12] <BrittMan914> thanks
[04:12] <gwildor_> :)
[04:12] <gholen> It gets the list, but then it complains abuot me not being ROOT, but I am
[04:12] <gwildor_> gholen, ??, when?
[04:13] <gwildor_> in synaptic?
[04:13] <gholen> no, in comandmode
[04:13] <gwildor_> didja sudo?
[04:13] <gholen> is say's like this..
[04:13] <gholen> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[04:14] <gwildor_> gholen, above me, sorry
[04:14] <Treenaks> gholen: well, maybe another process is using it (another apt/dpkg/synaptic running)
[04:14] <gholen> In yej i did suso
[04:14] <gwildor_> gholen, ogh yeah, is synaptic open anywhere?
[04:15] <gwildor_> treenaks, thnx
[04:15] <gholen> no, not in this time
[04:15] <Treenaks> gholen: really sure?
[04:16] <gwildor_> gholen, something has to be, what do you have open, check all desktops
[04:16] <thoreauputic> maybe another terminal
[04:16] <gholen> shall i reeboot my laptop and try again, yes, i'm positive..
[04:17] <gwildor_> thoreauputic, would another terminal open cause that?, I mean if was in the process of installing, sure, but I would think just sitting there
[04:17] <gwildor_> wouldnt*
[04:17] <gholen> okej, now, I'll start the synaptic
[04:17] <gwildor_> gholen, what do you have running?
[04:17] <thoreauputic> gwildor_: just wondering if the dir might be open somewhere else
[04:18] <gwildor_> thoreauputic, kk, I wasn't saying you were wrong, I was checking for myself, so I know
[04:18] <thoreauputic> gwildor_: in itself, of course, a terminal open is not important :)
[04:18] <gwildor_> thoreauputic, thnx :)
[04:19] <EfaistOs> hi
[04:19] <gwildor_> hi hi
[04:19] <LinuxJones> EfaistOs, hiya
[04:19] <EfaistOs> for the security updates it's ubuntu or debian who take care of this  ?
[04:19] <Matthew_I> so ubuntu is basically debian, but targeted for the desktop
[04:20] <gwildor_> I guess , in a way, kinda, sorta
[04:21] <gholen> now, I've reloaded the synaptic, and a bunch of uppgrades is shown
[04:21] <LinuxJones> EfaistOs, the Ubuntu devs will compile the updates against Warty and make them available to us, so Ubuntu I would guess.
[04:21] <Matthew_I> so basically you guys grab debian unstable, then fix it for distribution, add your utils and call it gravy
[04:21] <gwildor_> gholen, do em
[04:21] <Treenaks> Matthew_I: basically
[04:21] <jdub> Matthew_I: ubuntu isn't desktop specific, we just happen to have a really kickarse desktop :)
[04:22] <Matthew_I> has there been any effort to become an official part of the debian project?
[04:22] <Matthew_I> or is that not really of intrest?
[04:22] <jdub> there's not really any scope for it
[04:22] <dopey> i dont see how a project like ubuntu could become 'an official part' of debian
[04:23] <Matthew_I> one reason I am asking so many quesitons is because I currently use debian unstable for my desktop (I am thinking about switching to ubuntu)
[04:23] <fords> i really hate to ask this on such short notice, but i've got less than two days to figure ubuntu out before i give this system back to my sister and she moves away.  how do i install the kernel sources for the version i've got running (2.6.8.1-3-386)
[04:23] <EfaistOs> LinuxJones, and are ubuntu updates available quickly ?
[04:23] <gwildor_> Matthew_I, DO IT
[04:23] <Matthew_I> I have a seperate home partition so switching should not be too difficult...
[04:23] <Matthew_I> I have for a while now thought that something like this should be made, because debian releases way to slow
[04:23] <gwildor_> Matthew_I, I bielive you can just UPGRADE to ubuntu, but don't ask me how
[04:23] <LinuxJones> EfaistOs, you would have to ask the dev's about how quicky the Security Updates get released.
[04:24] <Matthew_I> I think they should have a server branch, a base branch, and a desktop branch all releasing seperatly...
[04:24] <netmonk> hello! what file must i modify in order to have a daemon start every time I start the computer? i tryed to find rc.local but I was not able. any ideas?
[04:24] <Matthew_I> so for extra packages not in ubuntu do I just pull those from debian?
[04:24] <Zindar> was fairly easy..
[04:24] <dopey> fords: apt-get kernel-source-2.6.8
[04:24] <gholen> thats just it, I cant, it shoows a huge amount of errors
[04:24] <Nafallo> netmonk: update-rc.d
[04:24] <dopey> fords: s/apt-get /apt-get install /
[04:24] <gwildor_> Matthew_I, you could, but ubuntu does not recommend or support it
[04:25] <Matthew_I> so where do I get stuff that I might need like mysql or something?
[04:25] <EfaistOs> LinuxJones, in comparaison to debian ... no idea ? when are the devs available here ?
[04:25] <gwildor_> gholen, what are the errors, maybe turn off the cd source
[04:25] <LinuxJones> EfaistOs, there are dev's here right now
[04:25] <Matthew_I> gwildor_: are the packages that heavily modified?
[04:25] <fords> dopey: couldn't find package kernel-source-2.6.8
[04:25] <gwildor_> Matthew_I, I have no idea
[04:25] <Nafallo> fords: linux-source-2.6.8
[04:25] <fords> dopey: and i figured the 'install' was implied.  i'm not completely stupid, just uneducated.  ;)
[04:25] <EfaistOs> LinuxJones, who ?
[04:26] <LinuxJones> EfaistOs, jdub
[04:26] <dopey> fords: check in synaptec for packages with a similar name, unfortunately i dont have an ubuntu machine accessable at present
[04:26] <Matthew_I> gwildor_: ubuntu must have a stragety for packages that are not there?
[04:26] <EfaistOs> jdub, present ?
[04:26] <fords> dopey, Nafallo, thanks.  i'll do that.
[04:26] <Zindar> linux-source-2.6.8.1
[04:26] <LinuxJones> EfaistOs, I don't know if he's on that team or not though
[04:26] <Nafallo> :-)
[04:26] <dopey> fords: apt-cache search ^kernel-source   (of course, i'm guessing..)
[04:26] <Despair> fords: `apt-cache search kernel-source` might be handy too
[04:26] <Matthew_I> so how do you pronounce ubuntu?  is it like ooo-boon-too?
[04:26] <Treenaks> I think so.. jdub?
[04:26] <thoreauputic> fords: try apt-cache search linux-source
[04:26] <gholen> cd suorce is of
[04:26] <gwildor_> Matthew_I, goona have to talk with a dev about it, im a noob,
[04:26] <Matthew_I> or ooo BOON too?
[04:26] <Nafallo> dopey: in ubuntu it's s/kernel/linux/g :-)
[04:27] <Matthew_I> gwildor_: oh... I figured as much...
[04:27] <MasterYoda> gwildor_: not a prob though
[04:27] <gwildor_> MasterYoda, thnx :)
[04:27] <fords> thoreauputic: already on it with synaptic.  give me a moment (trying to get this conexant winmodem working, but it required a kernel source tree to be present)
[04:27] <dopey> fords: no offense intended, just lowest-common-denominator
[04:27] <fords> give me a couple of minutes...
[04:27] <dopey> Nafallo: danke, i'll keep it in mind
[04:27] <lemsx1> Nafallo, in ubunto is linux!? nice! ... i like that
[04:27] <thoreauputic> fords: ah - catch 22
[04:27] <jdub> Matthew_I: yeah
[04:27] <lemsx1> Nafallo, ubuntu of course :-)
[04:27] <jdub> Matthew_I: ooh-ooh-ooh! ubuntu! :)
[04:27] <Nafallo> the correct way to pronounce ubuntu is written on the homepage somewhere.
[04:28] <MasterYoda> jdub: huh?
[04:28] <Nafallo> dopey: :-)
[04:28] <MasterYoda> jdub: so it's ooh-ooh-ooh? or are you just rhyming?
[04:28] <gwildor_> masteryoda, jdub is a dev, ask him your question about debian
[04:28] <netmonk> 10x Nafallo
[04:28] <jdub> MasterYoda: that's what the vowels sound like.
[04:29] <fords> thoreauputic: perhaps.  i'm kind of hoping not.  but then again... i've gotta try before i ask.  and i wouldn't ask (instead resorting to google for such information) but i have no prior ubuntu experience.  i have only a couple of days to get it up and running before she moves out.
[04:29] <MasterYoda> jdub: when I need packages not in ubuntu do I just install them from debian?
[04:29] <lemsx1> jdub, maybe somebody should make a .ogg for it :-)
[04:29] <Nafallo> netmonk: np :-)
[04:29] <dopey> jdub: what timezone are you in at the moment? :)
[04:29] <fords> ...after which point, i think i'm going to install it on my own laptop.  it kicks ass.
[04:29] <jdub> MasterYoda: no!
[04:29] <BrittMan914> how do you say ubuntu
[04:29] <MasterYoda> jdub: so it's like oooh-booh-tooh?
[04:29] <MasterYoda> jdub: where do I get them?
[04:29] <jdub> MasterYoda: you can install almost all the debian packages from universe or multiverse
[04:29] <BrittMan914> oh
[04:29] <gholen> error | libid3tag0 but it is not installable
[04:29] <jdub> MasterYoda: yes (pronounciation)
[04:30] <BrittMan914> ubuntu rocks
[04:30] <MasterYoda> jdub: is that like a copy of the debian repo?
[04:30] <BrittMan914> I love it
[04:30] <lemsx1> BrittMan914, ;-) that seems to be the trend
[04:30] <jdub> dopey: none, i'm having a lot of trouble sleeping in one session atm.
[04:30] <jdub> MasterYoda: no, it's fully rebuilt for ubuntu
[04:30] <MasterYoda> jdub: so this is a repo of debian packages tailored for ubuntu
[04:31] <MasterYoda> jdub: so are all of debian's packages in there?
[04:31] <Nafallo> from the FAQ, question 7.
[04:31] <Nafallo> Ubuntu, an African word from Zulu and Xhosa, is pronounced "oo-BOON-too".
[04:31] <jdub> MasterYoda: main is tailored for ubuntu, universe and multiverse are built against ubuntu (and sometimes patched/updated for fixes)
[04:31] <jdub> MasterYoda: as much as will build -> there's lots of stuff about this on the website, btw
[04:32] <MasterYoda> jdub: is it just another apt source in practice, but you guys call it the multiverse?
[04:32] <lemsx1> bbl
[04:32] <gwildor_> MasterYoda, there is main, universe, and multiverse
[04:32] <netmonk> Nafallo: /usr/sbin/update-rc.d or /usr/share/sysvint/update-rc.d, and how?
[04:32] <jdub> MasterYoda: it's the multiverse component
[04:32] <MasterYoda> jdub: yeah I have seen the site, I mentions this stuff but no specfics on exactly what it is
[04:32] <MasterYoda> jdub: so it's an apt source right?
[04:32] <Nafallo> netmonk: sudo update-rc.d
[04:33] <Nafallo> netmonk: it will print incstructions :-)
[04:33] <Nafallo> s/c//
[04:33] <jdub> MasterYoda: it's a component. like main, contrib and non-free in debian, we have main, restricted, universe and multiverse.
[04:33] <netmonk> Nafallo, 10x again ;)
[04:33] <Nafallo> :-)
[04:33] <LinuxJones> netmonk, here's a decent tutorial >> http://www.debianhelp.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3306
[04:34] <MasterYoda> jdub: so like deb http://http.us.ubuntulinux.org/ warty main restricted univers multiverse...
[04:34] <MasterYoda> jdub: something like that?
[04:34] <jdub> MasterYoda: look at your sources.list, dude!
[04:34] <MasterYoda> jdub: I use debian dude..
[04:34] <wm_eddie> yay firefoxs 1.0
[04:34] <netmonk> 10x LinuxJones
[04:34] <Despair> wm_eddie: boo.
[04:34] <Nafallo> jdub: hi there :-). you might now how much info we want on those HardwareSupport wikipages?
[04:35] <Nafallo> jdub: just rare things or the obvious to?
[04:35] <MasterYoda> jdub: I understand ubuntu contributes fixes back to the debian project, are there steps being taken to keep collobration between the projects high?
[04:35] <thoreauputic> MasterYoda: lots of info on the website - just go do some searching and you will find...
[04:35] <MasterYoda> thoreauputic: I have read lots of stuff on the website, now I am asking you guys about stuff I found slightly less clear
[04:36] <jdub> Nafallo: dunno :)
[04:36] <thoreauputic> MasterYoda: OK - I meant the sources are listed in various places on the site
[04:36] <Nafallo> jdub: well, then I add all my hardware later ;-)
[04:36] <Nafallo> jdub: and sees what happens :-P.
[04:36] <MasterYoda> thoreauputic: ahh ok
[04:36] <jdub> MasterYoda: we're a branch of sid, and we send fixes back - that's pretty close collaboration.
[04:37] <MasterYoda> jdub: sounds good
[04:37] <MasterYoda> so can one switch from debian to ubuntu without a reinstall?
[04:37] <gholen> okej, now, I'll start the synaptic
[04:37] <Nafallo> MasterYoda: I've done it ;-)
[04:37] <Treenaks> MasterYoda: in theory: yes, but it's not recommended or supported
[04:37] <MasterYoda> Nafallo: how is it done?
[04:37] <gholen> Hey!
[04:37] <jdub> MasterYoda: not recommended.
[04:37] <Elwood> MasterYoda,  change sources.list
[04:37] <mxpxpod> are there any plans to do a powerpc live cd?
[04:38] <Nafallo> MasterYoda: sed sources.list and manually fix every package installed in aptitude. that's how I do it anyway :-)
[04:38] <MasterYoda> Elwood: and that's it?  is there any special apt_preferences stuff I have to add so apt chooses packages from ubuntu?
[04:38] <jdub> mxpxpod: not strong plans, but if you want to help out...
[04:38] <thoreauputic> MasterYoda: I can dcc you a default sources.list if you are interested - got it from someone I was helping the other day
[04:38] <mxpxpod> jdub: if I had more time, I would
[04:38] <gholen> I have to ask, is there anyone in here that kan talk and write in swedish
[04:38] <mxpxpod> jdub: or if I was hired by canonical......
[04:39] <MasterYoda> thoreauputic: that's ok, im not going to try it right now, I will set up a fresh system first to play around with it before I try to convert
[04:39] <Nafallo> gholen: if you haden't left I would have told you ;-).
[04:39] <wm_eddie> so is firefox 1.0 going in to 4.10?
[04:39] <Nafallo> gholen: *nickar* == *nods*
[04:39] <MasterYoda> hey why did ubuntu start a 4 for it's version numbers?
[04:40] <Treenaks> wm_eddie: no
[04:40] <Nafallo> wm_eddie: probably not :-)
[04:40] <Mithrandir> MasterYoda: 4.10 == 2004-10, year-month.
[04:40] <gholen> Nafallo : bra, jag har trubbel som fan
[04:40] <wm_eddie> aww
[04:40] <Nafallo> MasterYoda: answer is on the FAQ :-P
[04:40] <Nafallo> gholen: /msg
[04:41] <wm_eddie> I'm going to have to upgrade manually. if I want the new industrial theme...
[04:41] <MasterYoda> how do you all abbreviate ubuntu?
[04:42] <gwildor_> ubuntu
[04:42] <wm_eddie> and the one that I have is seriously broken when it comes to downloading or playing some file types.
[04:42] <gwildor_> ubntu
[04:42] <wm_eddie> ubuntu...
[04:42] <jdub> MasterYoda: six letters is not a stretch for most of us... :-)
[04:43] <MasterYoda> no ub or anything? no ubt  or ubo or anything...
[04:43] <gwildor_> hahaha
[04:43] <wm_eddie> Ubuntu is relatively sort when compared to Fedora Core #
[04:43] <MasterYoda> it's just not a conventional name, I will have to get used to typing it... ubuntu... ubuntu....
[04:43] <MasterYoda> FC2
[04:43] <MasterYoda> but yeah other than that ubuntu owns fedora...
[04:43] <LinuxJones> MasterYoda, have you tried FC3 ?
[04:43] <MasterYoda> LinuxJones: no not really
[04:44] <MasterYoda> LinuxJones: never installed it, we have some customers using it though
[04:44] <wm_eddie> It's not so much that it owns fedora as it's a different approach to a distro.  And I like it.
[04:44] <LinuxJones> MasterYoda, it's getting fairly good review
[04:44] <LinuxJones> MasterYoda, I jsut find it very bogged down on the desktop
[04:44] <MasterYoda> LinuxJones: yeah, im sure it is... only cause peeps like to compare it to redhat, which it owns
[04:45] <MasterYoda> LinuxJones: if you ask me (most people don't) apt is much better than yum and debian is much eaiser to maintain than fedora
[04:45] <jdub> FC3 is pretty rad.
[04:46] <LinuxJones> MasterYoda, I have always despised rpm's even if you can use apt or yum with them :D
[04:46] <joolz> MasterYoda: in my experience FC2 with apt (NOT yum) was good
[04:46] <wm_eddie> I don't know U just isn't enough.
[04:46] <rom1> [help]  I'm stuck trying to install the new pwc module under ubuntu. Anyone has a clue?
[04:47] <wm_eddie> maybe Ubntu...
[04:47] <LinuxJones> It would be nice to have the redhat-config-tools ported to Debian/Ubuntu though :)
[04:47] <Despair> "Sit, Ubu, sit!"
[04:47] <joolz> wm_eddie: BNT :)
[04:47] <MasterYoda> joolz: I never switched to FC because being a debian user I did not feel the need...
[04:47] <sid77> cristian, great machine name ;)
[04:47] <wm_eddie> joolz: you need at least one u in there.
[04:48] <joolz> MasterYoda: neither did I, it was the other way round :)
[04:48] <rom1> When I try to compile the module, it displays /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build: no such file or directory
[04:48] <cristian> sid77, thanks ;)
[04:48] <MasterYoda> joolz: so why do you use ubu then?
[04:50] <joolz> partly curiosiry, partly because I run debian (stable) on servers and want some more uniformity and partly because FC was very big and very slow
[04:50] <wm_eddie> Man I need to do a dist-upgrade on my server but I'm afraid.
[04:50] <MasterYoda> joolz: so do you like ubu better then FC?
[04:50] <Unfun> wm_eddie never be afraid?
[04:51] <wm_eddie> since it's a UML server, and I can't mess too much with kernel...
[04:51] <joolz> MasterYoda: so far, yes. There are some glitches (no mplayer, rhythmbox not supporting wavs). A bit immature, but i like it
[04:51] <edd> mjg59: so S3 works nice with that kernel. is there anything i need to do specially to get swusp functioning?
[04:52] <joolz> and i feel confident that these glitches will be solved fast
[04:52] <MasterYoda> joolz: rhythmbox does not do wavs?  Guess I never tried to play any...
[04:52] <MasterYoda> joolz: maybe you don't have the right gstreamer plugin installed
[04:52] <Elwood> how was to put a package in hold?
[04:52] <MasterYoda> joolz: so why not debian then?
[04:52] <wm_eddie> The only problems I'm having with ubuntu is firefox.
[04:52] <mjg59> edd: You need to add a resume line to your kernel command line options
[04:52] <mjg59> After that, just hitting the power button should suspend
[04:53] <wm_eddie> and no mplayer, but I don't use it too much (only where there's something totem can't play.)
[04:53] <joolz> MasterYoda: on the desktop i want new features more then stability
[04:53] <MasterYoda> joolz: you ever tried debian unstable?
[04:53] <wm_eddie> joolz: Then you want Debian unstable.
[04:53] <MasterYoda> joolz: it's not as unstable as it sounds...
[04:53] <edd> mjg59: ok, done that but no luck. i'll look harder..
[04:54] <joolz> MasterYoda: I know, but is it a better choice than BNT? :)
[04:54] <wm_eddie> MasterYoda: I actually add debian unstable to my apt repositry temporarily for some things (Like Alexandria)
[04:54] <MasterYoda> joolz: in fact as you know its where ubu came from, but I see where you are coming from though
[04:55] <joolz> MasterYoda: good. And I see where i'm going to... Home :-) (5 o clock here)
[04:55] <joolz> cu guys later
[04:55] <Deviled> cu..
[04:55] <gwildor_> joolz, lucky you, ive still got 6 hours
[04:56] <wm_eddie> I have two tests today!
[04:56] <gwildor_> yay
[04:56] <wm_eddie> Well one and a half.  CS tests are a joke.
[04:56] <Deviled> lol
[04:57] <wm_eddie> I'm serious.  It's all pretty much, "play compiler"
[04:58] <Deviled> gl then ;)
[04:59] <wm_eddie> I'll need it for the discrete math test...
[04:59] <gruberman> Oh god I hate my router :/
[04:59] <Deviled> but i'm happy to write math tomorrow :D
[05:01] <wm_eddie> If it wasn't for Ubuntu I'd be using Novell linux right now.
[05:01] <rom1> [help]  Anyone can tell me how to get the /build directory and contents in the /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/ dir ? thx!
[05:01] <rom1> I need to build a module
[05:01] <gwildor_> wm_eddie, how is that novell stuff?
[05:02] <wm_eddie> It's pretty much ximian desktop.  on SuSe.
[05:02] <fords> thanks all
[05:02] <fords> it's not working, but i've got some direction now.  i'll be  back some day...
[05:02] <edd> mjg59: your kernel doesn't want to play well with vga16fb in the initrd (the 2.6.8.1 did) any ideas?
[05:03] <edd> mjg59: i also get a slew of "ERROR: removing 'module': Device or resource busy" at the beginning of the boot
[05:06] <rom1> [help]  Using synaptic I only see kernel-headers up to 2.6.7. My kernel 2.6.8 Any ideas?
[05:06] <Deviled> argh, why does skype use the qt lib :/
[05:07] <wm_eddie> Deviled: Perhaps it uses it for Windows?
[05:07] <edd> mjg59: modprobing fbcon fixes the console issue, tho i don't know why it differs between yr kernel and the previous one
[05:07] <Deviled> no, there's a linux version, and this one uses qt
[05:07] <mjg59> edd: Hrm. Afraid not - maybe it just insmods it?
[05:08] <mjg59> Yeah, the rmmod stuff is because you can't unload IDE modules in 2.6.9
[05:08] <wm_eddie> Deviled: yeah, but Maybe they like the overpriced cross-platfromness of Qt that way they only have to use one GUI.
[05:09] <gwildor_> they coulda used gtk
[05:10] <wm_eddie> gwildor_: I'm not sure but I think Qt has better win32 support (since it's more like win32)
[05:10] <gwildor_> oh
[05:10] <gwildor_> ok then
[05:10] <pisuke> I don't know why scribus was running superb in slackware and in ubutun stinks.
[05:11] <Deviled> more like win32? do you've user skype on win32 sys? this gui is confusing
[05:11] <Deviled> *used
[05:11] <wm_eddie> I've never used skype.
[05:11] <wm_eddie> or windows much.
[05:11] <gwildor_> skype=voip?
[05:11] <Deviled> yeah
[05:12] <gwildor_> never used windows much?, how old are you?
[05:12] <georgia> lo
[05:12] <Deviled> lol
[05:12] <andril> hello all -again
[05:12] <wm_eddie> Well I used to use Windows, but I don't use it much anymore.
[05:13] <gwildor_> kk
[05:13] <gwildor_> makes mor sence now
[05:13] <wm_eddie> like maybe once every couple of months to keep it up to date with Windows Update...
[05:13] <gwildor_> dual boot?
[05:14] <wm_eddie> Yeah, I have a 20 gig partition on my second hard drive with XP on it.
[05:14] <gwildor_> I teach a class on cumputer upgrade and maintenance based on windows, so I have to keep up with it
[05:14] <wm_eddie> I like OS X a little better than Windows though :)
[05:14] <gwildor_> well, DUH!
[05:15] <Nafallo> *s*
[05:17] <wm_eddie> But after all is said and done, OS X is just a pretty half-assed Unix with a very polished desktop.
[05:18] <gwildor_> wm_eddie, I don't use the *nix part, as a desktop it is WODERFUL, well I didn't use the *nix part, havent used osX in some years (2 I think)
[05:18] <gwildor_> <-----osX beta tester
[05:18] <rom1> Need help installing latest kernel headers(2.6.8) Anyone knows how to do it?
[05:19] <wm_eddie> rom1: have you tried just installing the 2.6.7 headers?
[05:19] <wm_eddie> gwildor_: I didn't like 10.2's that much.
[05:19] <gwildor_> what are kernal headers, what do they do/for, short answer
[05:20] <wm_eddie> gwildor_: They are like kernel-dev (like libgtk2-dev)
[05:20] <rom1> gwildor: Used to compile modules among other uses
[05:20] <gwildor_> wm_eddie, it happens, apple cant be perfect all the time
[05:21] <gwildor_> so a noob need not be concerned with kernal headers
[05:21] <rom1> gwildor > I'm trying to build a module from source.
[05:21] <edd> mjg59: swsusp appears to try and come out of suspend as soon as it's gone in, i get eth1: coming out of suspend... and then it stops. i can still view other VTs buutb aside from that the system seems hung
[05:21] <wm_eddie> gwildor_: Only if you want to build a module from source.
[05:22] <wm_eddie> gwildor_: I hope Ubuntu 5.03 comes with beagle :D
[05:22] <gwildor_> wm_eddie, beagle?
[05:22] <wm_eddie> then it'd be right up there with OS X tiger in terms of features.
[05:22] <gwildor_> wm_eddie, beagle?
[05:22] <wm_eddie> gwildor_: beagle is a search program, like OS X tiger's spotlight (and was made before)
[05:23] <wm_eddie> Miguel de Icaza made a presentation of Beagle about 4 hours before Steve Jobs presented Spotlight :p
[05:23] <gwildor_> wm_eddie, oh, kk, I remember when osX still used a re-vamped sherlock for searching
[05:23] <BrittMan914> I have a question
[05:24] <BrittMan914> which console command do i use to force a certain link speed
[05:24] <jdub> wm_eddie: nat friedman did, six hours.
[05:24] <mjg59> edd: Hrm.
[05:24] <Deviled> lol wm_eddie :D
[05:24] <BrittMan914> example 100BaseT-HD
[05:24] <mjg59> edd: How are you calling it?
[05:24] <wm_eddie> jdub: I have a bad memory...
[05:25] <edd> mjg59: echo disk >/sys/power/state
[05:25] <BrittMan914> I am trying to play a shoutcast stream
[05:25] <rom1> xmms
[05:25] <mjg59> edd: Is there a /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh script?
[05:25] <BrittMan914> and XMMS keeps on skipping
[05:25] <gwildor_> bad buffer, or systems too busy
[05:26] <rom1> BrittMan914 tweak the buffer size
[05:27] <edd> mjg59: hmm, i have warty's acpi-support for some reason, let me install yours
[05:27] <Elwood> uh and where is transset pack fro ubuntu?
[05:28] <BrittMan914> i have
[05:28] <BrittMan914> how far should i take it
[05:28] <BrittMan914> i had 2048
[05:28] <BrittMan914> and it took forever to cache
[05:28] <BrittMan914> and i tried 512
[05:29] <BrittMan914> I dont remember what was goign on
[05:29] <BrittMan914> but i think it did work
[05:29] <BrittMan914> esp. on the office windows box
[05:29] <Matthew_I> BrittMan914: you have enough bandwith for that?
[05:29] <edd> mjg59: ah, it complains that you're overwrting files also in acpid. i'll force your acpi-support in
[05:30] <mjg59> edd: Ah, right - that would explain it
[05:30] <BrittMan914> i'm on a college lan network
[05:30] <BrittMan914> and It even messed up with a 48k stream
[05:31] <BrittMan914> i'm trying 24k
[05:31] <BrittMan914> mono
[05:32] <BrittMan914> still alot of skippage
[05:32] <rom1> Can you tell whether it skips because of buffering?
[05:33] <gwildor_> is your system busy???, what else you got running?
[05:33] <oddabe19> What package holds gnome-panel-screenshot?
[05:33] <edd> mjg59: however... even with your stuff it still attempts resume rightgh away with that eth1 message. i'll try rmmod ipw2100 next...
[05:33] <Matthew_I> oddabe19: gnome-applets?
[05:33] <oddabe19> Matthew_I, no
[05:33] <oddabe19> it doesn't
[05:34] <Matthew_I> oddabe19: does ubu have a package search engine like packages.debian.org?
[05:34] <oddabe19> not that i know of
[05:34] <oddabe19> it broke yesterday when Hoary upgraded gnome-panel now, screenshots just don't exist
[05:35] <warty> server carme-irc.hispano.org
[05:35] <oddabe19> i don't know... anyway, i have to get into the shower before my class
[05:36] <warty> i dont speak english well but i need help
[05:36] <warty> i dont know how to install gnoppix 2.8 in hard drive
[05:36] <warty> can you help me
[05:36] <mjg59> edd: It ought to be rmmodding ipw2100 automatically, which is why I'm confused
[05:36] <oddabe19> warty, wrong channel you want #gnoppix
[05:37] <MFen> anybody do any high availability stuff?
[05:37] <mjg59> edd: You're running the hibernate.sh script?
[05:37] <MFen> i'm looking into buying some shared storage (e.g. fddi or scsi or something) that i can hook up to a couple of ubuntu boxes running heartbeat
[05:37] <MFen> anyone done something like this?
[05:38] <edd> mjg59: yeah, using your script linked to the power button. i just rmmod ipw2100 and it worked when i did things manually. i'll try calling hibernate.sh again...
[05:38] <warty> but ubuntu is not gnoppix
[05:38] <cg_all> hey does any one know if my nvidia 5900xt is compitable with ubuntu
[05:38] <Quazion> ubuntu supports ftpfs ?
[05:38] <warty> ?
[05:38] <Quazion> i want to mount a ftp server in the filesystem :)
[05:39] <LinuxJones> cg_all, yes
[05:39] <Quazion> trying ti use gnome-vfs atm, but it doesnt let me edit the files on remote server :)
[05:39] <cg_all> because i couldn't get to to work under redhat 9.0 or knoppix live cd
[05:40] <LinuxJones> cg_all, there is a pre-compiled nvidia driver available for download >> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:40] <Matthew_I> does ubu have a graphical splash?  I see some stuff about usplash on the wiki?  I was wondering if this was plans for horry or in warty as well?
[05:40] <edd> mjg59: running prepare.sh on its own does not remove ipw2100 here...
[05:41] <mjg59> edd: Hrm.
[05:41] <gwildor_> Matthew_I, you can search from synaptic, if that's what you were asking
[05:41] <mjg59> edd: Can you set -x it and see what it does?
[05:41] <Matthew_I> gwildor_: inother words no
[05:42] <crimsun> Matthew_I: usplash is being worked on for Hoary
[05:42] <edd> mjg59: PCINETWORK seems to be empty
[05:42] <Matthew_I> crimsun: who would I contact to collaborate with on that?
[05:42] <mjg59> edd: Ah, ok. Can you do lspci -n and /msg me the output ?
[05:43] <Matthew_I> crimsun: you ubu peeps are doing everything I ever wanted to do with debian
[05:44] <Deviled> hm, can someone tell me how to update the firefox to 1.0 final, without apt-get? 'cause there's only 1.0 rc1
[05:44] <gwildor_> deviled, firefox has a graphical installer
[05:45] <tim1> but that breaks package management ...
[05:46] <Deviled> hm..:/
[05:46] <tim1> i also wait for a .deb
[05:47] <deFrysk> made a launcher and added the symlinks for java and flash
[05:47] <deFrysk> and have it running next to the hoary one
[05:47] <netmonk> hey, does anyone have an idea if firfox will be updated through Synaptic or I have to install it manualy?
[05:47] <Unfun> for some reason my synaptic and pkg-get sources don't show a lot of packages
[05:47] <Unfun> how can i tell if i have the latest?
[05:47] <deFrysk> netmonk, it wil be probably updated
[05:48] <deFrysk> in hoary tht is
[05:48] <netmonk> how do i know if that includes me ;)
[05:49] <gwildor_>  say just wait, should be in hoary soon
[05:49] <deFrysk> as soon as it is in hoary you will here some cheering here netmonk
[05:49] <tim1> ok, just installed xorg ...
[05:49] <tim1> let's restart x
[05:49] <tim1> wish me luck ;)
[05:49] <deFrysk> hear
[05:49] <gwildor_> tim1, good luck
[05:49] <Deviled> gl ;)
[05:50] <netmonk> what do you call hoary?
[05:50] <mindjiver> is there a rescue-mode for the ubuntu install-cd? so I could boot a system whose bootloader wont work?
[05:50] <gwildor_> hoary
[05:50] <Deviled> hoary - next release of ubuntu
[05:50] <gwildor_> unstable?
[05:50] <gwildor_> testing?
[05:50] <gwildor_> idkk
[05:50] <deFrysk> gwildor_, untill release yes
[05:50] <Deviled> will be stable when its done ;)
[05:50] <gwildor_> oh, I was responding to netmonk, sorry
[05:51] <netmonk> aha
[05:51] <netmonk> ok
[05:51] <netmonk> 10x :)
[05:51] <gwildor_> :)_
[05:52] <gwildor_> is there a download accelerating program that is apt-getable?
[05:52] <gilligan_> hi
[05:52] <gwildor_> or atleast a .deb
[05:52] <stratus> gwildor_, are you using 'universe' ? if yes, you can try 'prozilla'
[05:53] <gwildor_> stratus, thnx, prozilla it is
[05:53] <Deviled> whats prozilla?
[05:53] <gilligan_> could someone tell me how to enable root / set root pw ?
[05:53] <stratus> gwildor_, oh no go with prozgui!
[05:53] <stratus> Deviled, you can say that it's a 'download accelerator' :)
[05:53] <gwildor_> stratus, will I need both, or just prozgui?
[05:53] <stratus> Deviled, it isn't on ubuntu 'main' or 'restricted', just 'universe'.
[05:54] <stratus> gwildor_, just prozgui.
[05:54] <gwildor_> stratus, kk, thnx
[05:54] <stratus> gwildor_, np you're welcome.
[05:54] <Deviled> i didnt ask where it is, i only wanted to know what it is :P
[05:54] <Deviled> but thx :D
[05:54] <stratus> Deviled, hmm but it's good to say that it isn't officialy supported by ubuntu!
[05:56] <Deviled> stratus, should i tell you first, i dont install everything which i ask what it is :P
[05:56] <stratus> Deviled, hah yes. :)
[06:00] <Deviled> but the annoying thing is, my onboard soundcard doenst want to work with ubuntu..was the same on fc2 :/ *has now a pci soundcard*
[06:03] <RuffianSoldier> neat
[06:03] <RuffianSoldier> its bob2
[06:03] <gwildor_> where is bob2?
[06:05] <daniels> gwildor_: it's 4:05am on the east coast of australia.
[06:06] <dieman> daniels: your x.org upload took a ton of time to sync
[06:06] <dieman> damn you!
[06:06] <Deviled> omfg! it's 6:05pm here, in germany :P
[06:06] <dieman> and its 11:05 am here.
[06:06] <gwildor_> its 12:06 here in eastern USA
[06:06] <dieman> 11:06 now...
[06:06] <gwildor_> 12:06 noon time
[06:07] <dieman> daniels: you ever sleep?
[06:07] <thoreauputic> Deviled: the world has this funny habit of rotating ...
[06:07] <dieman> lunch time!
[06:07] <atropus> and in Budapest 18:07pm
[06:07] <daniels> dieman: dude, it's 6pm in europe :)
[06:07] <Deviled> thore*, yeah, sure, :/
[06:08] <dieman> daniels: oh, right.
[06:08] <Deviled> not everywhere :P
[06:11] <susanne> Hi all
[06:12] <Deviled> hi
[06:12] <crimsun> hi.
[06:12] <susanne> Does sb. know the differnce between /etc/modutils and /etc/modprobe.d????
[06:13] <susanne> I want to add some module options and aliases for my soundcare
[06:14] <webmaven_> Has anyone here had success setting up Evolution to talk to Exhange?
[06:15] <susanne> Please tell me, where would a put some soundcard aliases and options? in a file under /etc/modutils or /etc/modprobe.d?
[06:16] <wm_eddie> susanne: I think you want to put it in /etc/modutils/alsa-base
[06:17] <kent> can some one tell me if pppoe is in universe? I need to tell my brother where he can download it, he needs it to configure his usb-modem i think..  He has no internet connection right now, so he has to download it at a friend..
[06:17] <nimc> did ubuntu came with a program to create and burn cds? where is it?
[06:17] <webmaven_> nimc, it's nautilus.
[06:17] <wm_eddie> kent: It's not only in universe.
[06:17] <atropus> nautilus can burn cd
[06:17] <wm_eddie> it's in main as well I think
[06:17] <wm_eddie> pppoeconf is the package.
[06:17] <nimc> how? (not .iso file)
[06:18] <Quazion> you want to burn an iso or not ?
[06:18] <wm_eddie> nimc: In a nautilus window go to Places > CD Creator
[06:18] <nimc> select files to put in the cd and burn it
[06:19] <kent> wm_eddie, but my brother was going to install eciadsl-usermode, and it said he needs pppoe. The eciadsl-usermode is from debian, so could he use dpkg force then?
[06:19] <nimc> wm_eddie, thanks
[06:19] <thoreauputic> kent: he would need dependencies as well
[06:19] <webmaven_> nimc, go to a nautilus window, copy the files you want to burn, go to Places > CD Creatro, paste the files, then go to Files > Write to disk
[06:19] <nimc> thanks
[06:20] <atropus> can i burn multisession disk too?
[06:20] <thoreauputic> kent: apt-cache depends pppoeconf
[06:20] <wm_eddie> kent: pppoe is in Universe too.
[06:20] <kent> thoreauputic, but pppoeconf does not come with a pppoe binary? When i run dpkg -L pppoeconf i only see the conf binary and some other stuff, no pppoe binary :(
[06:20] <wm_eddie> kent: Or he could just add the debian repository to his sources.list temporarily.
[06:20] <Unfun> what source list should i be using for the latest packages?
[06:21] <wm_eddie> Unfun: latest of the latest, the 5.03 branch?
[06:21] <wm_eddie> I forget the names.
[06:21] <Deviled> hoary
[06:21] <thoreauputic> kent: if you run apt-cache depends pppoeconf you will see pppoe
[06:22] <thoreauputic> seems pppoeconf pulls in that dependency
[06:22] <jono> hi all
[06:23] <thoreauputic> hi jono
[06:23] <hsidhu> what do i need to configure to connect other "X" programs on my local server?
[06:24] <jono> heya thoreauputic
[06:24] <thoreauputic> :)
[06:25] <rcaskey> is anyone else wishing for a install rootpass=blah runsshd format=freespace options?
[06:25] <Unfun> Package winbind is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:25] <Unfun> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[06:25] <Unfun> is only available from another source
[06:25] <Unfun> anyone have winbind in their source lists?
[06:26] <hsidhu> on a default ubuntu install xhost + should allow any foreign host/application to connect to my xserver right?
[06:26] <rcaskey> hsidhu: i think there is a gconf variable now
[06:26] <rcaskey> I think gdm plays some roll in that behavior these days
[06:27] <hsidhu> ohh ok
[06:27] <wasabi_> there a way to make synaptic show you the changelog differences like in debian?
[06:27] <thoreauputic> yeah there's a tcp no-listen in gdm's config file I think
[06:27] <Astharot> hi, i did a dist-upgrade in hoary and it installed x.org
[06:27] <jdub> wasabi_: apt-get install apt-listchanges
[06:27] <wasabi_> doh.
[06:27] <Astharot> now, how can i switch from xfree to x.org ?
[06:27] <wasabi_> haha last time I installed that was 2 years ago. i'd totally forgotten.
[06:28] <crimsun> apt-listchanges is a lifesaver
[06:29] <Astharot> canyou please answer me ? :P
[06:29] <thoreauputic> Astharot: /etc/init.d/gdm restart I think
[06:29] <seacyd> hi to all
[06:29] <thoreauputic> Astharot: but I may be wrong - someone confirm?
[06:29] <Astharot> thoreauputic: i tried to restsart X with CTRL ALT BACKSPACE
[06:30] <Astharot> but nothing changed
[06:30] <thoreauputic> Astharot: what does X -version say?
[06:30] <Astharot> X Window System Version 6.8.1 (Ubuntu 6.8.1-1ubuntu1 20041109183716 root@terranova.warthogs.hbd.com)
[06:30] <thoreauputic> I think you have X.org then
[06:31] <Astharot> mh... yes ?
[06:31] <crimsun> Astharot does, yes.
[06:31] <wasabi_> what did you expect to change?
[06:31] <Astharot> dunno... something cooler :)
[06:31] <deFrysk> :D
[06:31] <thoreauputic> he expected a shower of fireworks perhaps ;)
[06:31] <Astharot> but
[06:31] <wasabi_> that woulda been cool!
[06:31] <wasabi_> but no.
[06:31] <Astharot> /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7
[06:31] <Astharot> is that right ?
[06:31] <crimsun> like we've said, there aren't _that_ many external differences between Debian's XFree86 and X.Org
[06:31] <wasabi_> yes.
[06:31] <Astharot> X11R6/X ?
[06:32] <crimsun> (though there are and will be considerable differences)
[06:32] <wasabi_> One of these days that's going in /usr/bin, right? :)
[06:33] <Xenguy> Hi - are there any Ubuntu developers present?  I am a long-time Debian user who installed Ubuntu last night for the first time.  I'm wondering where would be the best place to offer some feedback about the install?
[06:33] <crimsun> wasabi_: what's going in /usr/bin/ ?
[06:33] <wasabi_> X.
[06:33] <crimsun> Xenguy: there are several (many) present.
[06:34] <Astharot> what can I do MORE with x.org? :P
[06:34] <wasabi_> Astharot: enable the composite extension
[06:34] <tim1> just in case you didn't know:
[06:34] <tim1> fglrx sucks
[06:34] <Xenguy> crimsun: where would you recommend I give feedback (here? a wiki page? other?) ?
[06:34] <tim1> however, xorg up & running
[06:35] <crimsun> Xenguy: here or the -users mailing list
[06:35] <crimsun> -user, rather
[06:35] <Xenguy> crimsun: OK, thanks.  I am at work now, so I will follow this up tonight then.  Good job - kudos to all you people :-)
[06:35] <crimsun> just to let you know, I'm a concurrent Sid and Hoary user
[06:35] <crimsun> and things work quite smoothly.
[06:36] <crimsun> thank goodness for apt_pinning
[06:42] <trans_err> i installed hoary but am now missing microsoft font support- fonts like new courier seem to be missing
[06:42] <trans_err> any idea?
[06:43] <TerminX> trans_err: install msttcorefonts from universe
[06:44] <MasterYoda> trans_err: apt-get install ttf.*
[06:44] <wasabi_> Where is the xcompmgr package at?
[06:44] <MasterYoda> trans_err: well don't really do that cause then you will get lots of fonts you don't want
[06:47] <susanne1729> It seems that in ubuntu gnome is the multimedia setting missing. Where can I configure what sound system gnome uses? alsa oss...
[06:47] <punkass> gstreamer-properties
[06:47] <punkass> change output to alsa
[06:48] <jdub> better to use esd.
[06:48] <jdub> or oss.
[06:48] <Xenguy> During an Ubu install, is it possible to tell GRUB *not* to install on the MBR?  If yes, how? (I've only done 1 Ubu install [last night] , but I don't recall it giving me that option)
[06:49] <susanne1729> thx punkass, but why is this setting no longer in the desktop property menu?
[06:49] <punkass> dont think it ever was :)
[06:49] <jdub> susanne1729: it was never in ubuntu's menus. it's not a dialogue that users should ever have to see (and if they do, it's easily accessed from the command line)
[06:50] <susanne1729> on gentoo there is an advanced settings menu where  "multimedia" leads to the gstreamer-properties
[06:50] <jdub> it's not displayed in ubuntu for the above reasons
[06:51] <susanne1729> ok, jdub, thanks for the explanation, i changed it now to oss
[06:52] <susanne1729> my problem is, that I own an old isa card.... after hours of module loading and unloading, i found out that the card works with "modprobe sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1"
[06:52] <susanne1729> and btw, I downloaded isapnptools and pnpdump could not find that card... :-(
[06:52] <susanne1729> but it works now with the above settings
[06:54] <susanne1729> What not works is the gnome sound adjuster (if thats the right word, i am german ;-) I cant control the sound power
[06:54] <jdub> you might need to load a mixer kernel module
[06:54] <jdub> don't remember with old sound cards like that one ;)
[06:55] <tim1> in my vlc sound doesn't work anymore
[06:56] <tim1> [00000252]  oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)
[06:56] <tim1> in totem and muine, sound is just fine
[07:01] <labanux> afasdfas
[07:01] <Deviled> lol
[07:02] <labanux> test
[07:02] <trans_err> anyone know why msttcorefonts doesn't work with xorg?
[07:02] <crimsun> trans_err: they sure do, actually.
[07:03] <labanux> kk
[07:04] <crimsun> trans_err: for instance, if they didn't, my X-Windows session would be quite unbearable presently.
[07:04] <Telep> hmm, is it normal for the cpu freq to jump up to max when resizing a window?
[07:04] <mjr> Telep, I wouldn't be too surprised about it
[07:04] <Telep> right, just checking :)
[07:04] <mjr> if you're using opaque resize, the app is probably constantly redrawing itself
[07:04] <crimsun> Telep: it occurs here with the binary Nvidia drivers (1.0-6629)
[07:05] <mjr> which is kinda time-consuming
[07:05] <Telep> mjr: yes tru
[07:05] <Telep> w
[07:05] <mjr> :)
[07:05] <Telep> aargh, "true". There, I typed it right.
[07:05] <labanux> hei..
[07:05] <Telep> hei hei
[07:06] <mjr> good boy
[07:06] <labanux> does anyone know how to make my printer could work in my ubuntu
[07:06] <labanux> does anyone know how to make my printer could work in my ubuntu?
[07:06] <Deviled> define "my printer"
[07:06] <labanux> i'm using hp deskjet 3535
[07:06] <nasdaq4088> what error does it give labanux?
[07:06] <labanux> it doesn't has any error message
[07:07] <labanux> but it wasn't detected
[07:07] <nasdaq4088> unable to print to lpt1
[07:07] <labanux> yeah.., unable to print
[07:07] <labanux> eh..
[07:07] <rcaskey_> devil: self(N), printer(X), owns(N,X)
[07:07] <labanux> i'mnot using lpt1
[07:07] <labanux> i'm usin gusb port
[07:07] <labanux> i'm usin gusb port
[07:08] <labanux> i'm using usb port
[07:08] <mjr> (dare I point out that "I" should be capital ;)
[07:09] <labanux> what should I do to make my printer work?
[07:09] <Deviled> lol
[07:09] <rcaskey_> hrm, or perhaps self(N), printer(X), owns(N,X), person(K), \+ K == X, \+ owns(K,X).
[07:10] <cenerentola> ciao
[07:10] <cenerentola> hi
[07:10] <Xenguy> hrm, no one knows whether Ubuntu will let me install GRUB somewhere else (i.e. not the Master Boot Record [MBR] ) ?
[07:10] <icu> How do I get a copy of the kernel source so I can compile modules external to the kernel tree?
[07:11] <Amaranth> Are there any programs available that will erase a CD-RW disc?
[07:11] <crimsun> Xenguy: you sure can.
[07:11] <crimsun> icu: install linux-source*
[07:11] <Xenguy> crimsun: I'm trying to recall the install last night - does the installer offer that choice?
[07:11] <crimsun> icu: ii  linux-source-2.6.8.1                         2.6.8.1-17
[07:11] <wulfbane> can anyone tell me how to stop my wireless card(prism54) from crashing my system
[07:11] <mjr> Amaranth, cdrecord. Look at the man page for the different blank=??? modes
[07:11] <icu> crimsun: is that the vanilla kernel or the patched version?
[07:12] <crimsun> icu: it's the version for the Ubuntu kernels
[07:12] <Xenguy> a
[07:12] <crimsun> icu: note that if you only want to compile external modules that haven't been Debian/-Ubuntuized, you only need linux-headers-`uname -r`
[07:12] <wulfbane> my system runs fine.... even connects to netwrks and then after a few minutes.  Lock (20secs) then reboot...
[07:13] <trans_err> crimsun, they absolutely don't on my box- new courier specifically does not show up at all
[07:13] <zk> What is root password?
[07:14] <icu> crimsun: I'm trying to compile ati's fglrx modules but I get an error saying that the drm version in the kernel source is incompatible
[07:14] <MasterYoda> icu: use the debian packages
[07:15] <MasterYoda> icu: just build them on ubuntu, I built them on debian last night, it worked well
[07:15] <zerokarmaleft> zk, use sudo with the password for the user account you created during install for anything you need to do with root privs
[07:16] <icu> MasterYoda: Ati released a new set yesterday that work with doom 3...
[07:16] <zk> ok ready is changed ok thx to all
[07:17] <Nafallo> mdz: hi there! are everything to be reported to the hardware project on the wiki or is it just problematic and/or rare hardware?
[07:17] <Amaranth> mjr: cdrecord looks like it needs SCSI emulation
[07:18] <mjr> Amaranth, its author only wants it to look that way
[07:18] <MasterYoda> icu: so the packages are not updated...
[07:18] <MasterYoda> icu: update the packages
[07:18] <icu> How can If I can't get the upstream source to compile on its own?
[07:19] <mjr> Pointing it to an ide device node does work
[07:19] <MasterYoda> icu: uhh... I think my mom is calling
[07:19] <MasterYoda> icu: give me a sec
[07:20] <MasterYoda> icu:  what kind of errors are you getting
[07:21] <icu> sec
[07:21] <fsmw_> is there any issue or something to clear why evolution is so unstable in hoary?
[07:21] <Nafallo> fsmw_: maybe the fact that hoary IS unstable in ubuntu? :-P
[07:22] <Nafallo> fsmw_: like sid is in debian. and hoary are linked against sid.
[07:22] <MasterYoda> icu: hopefully this update fixes problems with the sprongies screensaver and america's army
[07:22] <fsmw_> Nafallo, yep i know, any way the only one complain that i have in hoary is evo
[07:22] <icu> MasterYoda:  "XFree86 drm includes at /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/build/include/../drivers/char/drm do not fit this driver."
[07:22] <MasterYoda> icu: no idea
[07:22] <fsmw_> and there's a lot of updates but still i don't see nothing about evo
[07:23] <MasterYoda> icu: ill try my hand at updating the packages tonight if you wanna wait...
[07:25] <icu> I've got lots of time right now to do this so I don't mind trying to figure it out, I just want to know how to get an identical copy of the source code for the running ubuntu linux kernel.
[07:25] <icu> linux-source doesn't cut it neither does the source package for the kernel image package.
[07:26] <jdub> linux-source is it
[07:26] <icu> but that's missing version.h in include/
[07:28] <mdz> Nafallo: anything and everything that might be helpful to other users
[07:29] <MasterYoda> icu: is there a kernel-source-X.X.X-XXX package?
[07:29] <Nafallo> mdz: hmm, not things like that Realtek 8139 chipset wants 8139too then ;-)
[07:29] <MasterYoda> icu: or is it like linux-source-X.X.X-xxx?
[07:30] <icu> "linux-source-2.6.8.1"
[07:30] <MasterYoda> icu: that's what you need
[07:30] <icu> that's what doesn't work, it's missing version.h
[07:31] <JDahl> icu, you were talking about new ATI drivers yesterday, can you paste me a link?
[07:31] <crimsun> MasterYoda: Debian uses kernel-source*
[07:31] <crimsun> MasterYoda: Ubuntu uses linux-source*
[07:31] <MasterYoda> icu: apt-get install kernel-package
[07:31] <MasterYoda> crimsun: yeah I saw that eairler, why the change?
[07:31] <icu> MasterYoda: aleady installed
[07:32] <MasterYoda> icu: are you trying to use that?
[07:32] <icu> JDahl: just go to the ati site int he drivers section.
[07:32] <icu> MasterYoda: What do you mean?
[07:32] <crimsun> MasterYoda: linux-source better describes it. There's a long thread from November of last year on debian-devel concerning it.
[07:32] <Nafallo> MasterYoda: must be that the kernel is named linux ;-)
[07:32] <MasterYoda> crimsun: I guess...
[07:32] <MasterYoda> crimsun: is debian switching?
[07:32] <JDahl> icu, They only release binary RPMs dont they?
[07:32] <crimsun> MasterYoda: things stagnate in Debian at times
[07:32] <mdz> icu: linux-source-2.6.8.1 _is_ the source used to build the kernel
[07:33] <icu> JDahl: No, you have to compile the kernel module.
[07:33] <mdz> icu: version.h is a file generated during the build
[07:33] <MasterYoda> icu: copy your config from /proc/config.gz or /boot/config-kernelversion to .config in your kernel source dir, then run make-kpkg --append-to-version -versionstuff configure
[07:33] <MasterYoda> crimsun: yeah I know...
[07:33] <icu> mdz: Should I just copy files from the headers package  to the source treE?
[07:33] <MasterYoda> crimsun: part of the reason there is so much time between releases
[07:33] <JDahl> icu, you shouldnt have to
[07:34] <crimsun> MasterYoda: overall, I don't expect a swift migration to the new naming (that Ubuntu has adopted smartly imo)
[07:34] <MasterYoda> crimsun: I think debian should split into several branches, all pulling from the same unstable branch
[07:35] <MasterYoda> crimsun: like a base system, and a desktop and a server
[07:35] <Deviled> Karlos, the one has 59,the other one 6
[07:35] <Deviled> :D
[07:35] <Nafallo> KarlosII: have you tried to ask google or wikipedia? ;-)
[07:36] <mikel> hello
[07:36] <KarlosII> I am but haven't tried wikipedia yet
[07:36] <michael__> hi
[07:36] <Nafallo> mikel: hi there.
[07:36] <MasterYoda> crimsun: desk and serve would release after base, base would have longer release cycles
[07:36] <MasterYoda> crimsun: you get the idea
[07:36] <mikel> i need help
[07:36] <mikel> i have 2 ethernet cards
[07:37] <mikel> one is conected to inet
[07:37] <mikel> and the other ones is for the lan
[07:37] <mikel> but i can't configure the second card
[07:38] <mikel> can anybody help me?
[07:40] <MasterYoda> Mikel huh?
[07:40] <mikel> the ethernet card conected to internet works ok
[07:41] <MasterYoda> mikel: you can configure both cards in /etc/network/interfaces
[07:41] <Nafallo> mikel: is it the same type of card?
[07:41] <mikel> yes
[07:41] <mikel> but then i can't run it
[07:41] <MasterYoda> Mikel: what does ifconfig -a list? does it have both interfaces listed?
[07:42] <mikel> yes
[07:43] <JDahl> I really like how ubuntu automatically mounts usb devices.. I would like that on my Debian/Sarge machine also; what do I need to configure for that - discover?
[07:43] <mikel> i have eth0 without any address
[07:43] <mikel> and eth1 with inet ip address
[07:43] <shampoo> Hi everone
[07:43] <shampoo> er everyone
[07:43] <Oostburger> hi
[07:43] <shampoo> could someone please point me to a HOWTO which explains how to integrate gpg and Evolution ?
[07:44] <wasabi_> Just install both, go into the account settings, and set evo to use your gpg key
[07:44] <wasabi_> It's that simple.
[07:44] <stratus> JDahl, not discover but hotplug scripts.
[07:44] <shampoo> hmm ok cool.. what about verifying of keys of others ?
[07:44] <wasabi_> it does it automatically.
[07:44] <shampoo> can I get it to automatically download the public key to verify ?
[07:45] <JDahl> stratus, thanks..
[07:45] <shampoo> much like mutt does
[07:45] <wasabi_> no.
[07:45] <stratus> JDahl, np.
[07:45] <wasabi_> it doesn't do that.
[07:45] <shampoo> wasabi ok thanks
[07:45] <wasabi_> I'm kinda glad it doesn't. That' sa bit insecure.
[07:45] <mikel> how can i configure the second ethernet card to share my internet conection?
[07:45] <shampoo> _shrug_ I found it a nice feature
[07:46] <wasabi_> shampoo: how do you know the person who sent you the mail doesn't just put a fake key on the keyserver?
[07:46] <shampoo> i must say, I've been a Debian user now for about 5yrs or so, and I am really excited by Ubuntu
[07:47] <shampoo> wasabi_ I don't but it's a risk I am willing to take
[07:50] <Oostburger> I've got a problem:
[07:51] <Oostburger> I can't choose 1280*1024 as resolution
[07:52] <hsidhu> linux-686 package what kernel does it contian?
[07:52] <Oostburger> I can only choose 640*480, 600*800 and 1024*768
[07:52] <hsidhu> is it 2.6.X or something else?
[07:52] <Oostburger> how can I change that?
[07:54] <Nafallo> hsidhu: it doesn't. the package depends on the latest kernel for i686.
[07:54] <Nafallo> hsidhu: actually it depends on a package that depends on the latest i686 2.6 kernel :-P
[07:55] <Oostburger> can anyone help me?
[07:56] <Nafallo> hsidhu: I would believe that linux-i686 will depend on the latest i686 2.8 kernel in the future :-P.
[08:04] <Deviled> did i already say that i love the quit/join msgs? :D
[08:05] <MasterYoda> Oostburger: you need to edit your X config file
[08:06] <Oostburger> MasterYoda: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4?
[08:06] <MasterYoda> Oostburger: yes
[08:06] <Oostburger> I've done that
[08:06] <MasterYoda> Oostburger: you have to add extra modes to it in the screen section
[08:07] <MasterYoda> Oostburger: and now restart X
[08:07] <Oostburger> ehr
[08:07] <MasterYoda> Oostburger: and if it still does not work, somethign else is wrong, you will need to check your log to see what it is
[08:07] <Oostburger> I'm not sure if I've done it right
[08:07] <Oostburger> 	SubSection "Display"
[08:07] <Oostburger> 		Depth		1
[08:07] <Oostburger> 		Modes		"1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[08:08] <Oostburger> first there only stood: Modes    "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[08:09] <Oostburger> do you only have to change that?
[08:09] <MasterYoda> you have your extra mode in there
[08:09] <MasterYoda> if it still does not come up right
[08:09] <MasterYoda> check /var/log/XFree86.log or something for reasons why
[08:09] <Oostburger> and how do you restart X?
[08:10] <MasterYoda> Oostburger: could be your refresh rates are wrong, or you put it under Depth 1, make sure it is under your current depth as well
[08:10] <MasterYoda> Oostburger: use /etc/init.d/gdm restart to restart X
[08:10] <Ruffian|JANE|> Oooh, I love apt-get upgrades
[08:10] <Ruffian|JANE|> Ubuntu has soem upgrades out
[08:11] <susanne1729> no gaim-encryption plugin in ubuntu?
[08:11] <susanne1729> for me, gaim-encryption is a must have
[08:11] <Deviled> Ruffin, whih ones?
[08:12] <susanne1729> the newsreader pan is also not in the repository
[08:14] <MasterYoda> susanne1729: use the deb for gaim-encryption, a co-worker uses it and it seems to work ok, google for it
[08:15] <Deviled> is http://archive.ubuntulinux.com/ubuntu/ the default url for sources for apt-get? :/ i changed it somehow
[08:16] <icu> What command can I use to merge the files of two directories?
[08:19] <MasterYoda> icu: huh?
[08:19] <MasterYoda> icu: like diff -you? or like patch?
[08:20] <icu> MasterYoda: I just want to copy all the contents into a of a directory into another directory that shares the same tree structure but without erasing the contents within the destination folder.
[08:24] <MasterYoda> icu: read up on rsync
[08:24] <MasterYoda> icu: are you just trying to copy a directory tree or select files from a dir tree?
[08:24] <superted> i've followed the guide on the Wiki and forum, but i can't get java working in any browser. anyone experienced this?
[08:24] <icu> I just want to merge two directories
[08:25] <MasterYoda> icu: maybe cp -you
[08:25] <darksatanic> icu: Use cp?
[08:25] <MasterYoda> icu: cp - and the leter U
[08:25] <MasterYoda> icu: man cp and; look for --update
[08:25] <icu> ohhh, I see now, thanks
[08:26] <MasterYoda> icu: cp --update ... yeah you see
[08:26] <will_> superted: did you get java through apt-get?
[08:26] <superted> will_: no
[08:26] <jazzka> with ubuntu's default remote desktop tool
[08:27] <jazzka> can I connect from a win98 computer using vnc?
[08:27] <phin> did you try too?
[08:27] <phin> try to*
[08:28] <Deviled> hmm, can anyone give me the defualt /etc/apt/sources.list ? :/
[08:28] <superted> will_: should i?
[08:29] <will_> superted:its the easiest way! and it works, but you have to use Suns Java kit!
[08:30] <superted> will_: is there a problem with that?
[08:30] <Kev-> Hi... I'm using gnoppix warty livecd... I have no screen for the machine i'm trying to access, just network access... what is the default root password?
[08:30] <will_> superted: sudo apt-get install j2sdk
[08:30] <Kev-> Is the livecd dhcp default or what?
[08:31] <superted> will_: what rep do i need to add for that?
[08:31] <will_> superted:oh sorry, umm maybe just universe? i have so many...
[08:31] <Deviled> kev, ubuntu has the disabled root account per default, use sudo
[08:31] <Kev-> argh
[08:32] <superted> will_: doesn't seem to be in universe
[08:32] <Kev-> I don't have direct access to the box... i.e. other than being able to start/shutdown the machine...
[08:32] <will_> superted: let me have a look for you brb
[08:32] <superted> will_: thanks
[08:33] <superted> will_: this one ? http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian/
[08:33] <Deviled> kev, du sudo shutdown, and type in your user password
[08:33] <Deviled> *do
[08:33] <Kev-> I don't want to shutdown the machine
[08:33] <Deviled> or what ever ;)
[08:33] <Kev-> I need to access some stuff on the machine after a hd crashed
[08:34] <will_> superted: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[08:34] <Kev-> But I don't have a monitor connected to it so I need to ssh to the machine directly
[08:34] <will_> superted:im 99% sure!
[08:34] <superted> will_: i have that :)
[08:35] <will_> superted: deb http://debian.innovationsw.com/debian/ unstable/i386/
[08:35] <will_> deb http://debian.innovationsw.com/debian/ unstable/all/
[08:35] <LifesizeKenDoll> I want firefox :'(
[08:36] <Deviled> life*, sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[08:36] <LifesizeKenDoll> Deviled: I want 1.0
[08:36] <Deviled> life, me too :P
[08:36] <will_> LifesizeKenDoll: install it then!!! i have it running!!
[08:37] <thoreauputic> LifesizeKenDoll: then get a binary installer from mozilla.org
[08:37] <will_>  LifesizeKenDoll: install to /usr/local/firefox :)
[08:37] <LifesizeKenDoll> will_: what does it offer over 1.0RC1?
[08:37] <superted> will_: found it now, thanks
[08:38] <zerokarmaleft> bugfixes?
[08:38] <will_> superted: no problem !
[08:38] <zerokarmaleft> don't think they'd allow feature creep between RCs
[08:38] <iarne> hello, i have fatal errors at hotplug subsystem at startup ubuntu. can someone help me ?
[08:38] <will_> LifesizeKenDoll: umm.....a go button?
[08:39] <Deviled> will, theres already one in rc1
[08:39] <will_> LifesizeKenDoll: and maybe a bit more less 'cras-prone'
[08:39] <LifesizeKenDoll> will_: I have a go button
[08:39] <will_> deviled: never used RC1 then!
[08:40] <will_> LifesizeKenDoll: tell you one thing...nearly all of my extensions dont work now though :(
[08:41] <labanux> test
[08:41] <iarne> labanux, works
[08:41] <labanux> iarne: :D..., yeah.., thanx
[08:43] <iarne> someone german speaking, easier problem handling
[08:43] <Deviled> ich, bin aber kein profi
[08:45] <bigtony-away> question: whats the command to type to find the installation of path of say mozilla-firefox i tried which firefox but thats no the correct one i'm looking for the plugin dir so i can link it according to the java page )
[08:46] <superted> will_: tried to open a java appelet w/ firefox now, didn't work. do i need to do something else?
[08:47] <will_> iarne: no but i speak swedish...which is kinda german!
[08:47] <bigtony> superted i'm trying to the same thing you are probably
[08:47] <bigtony> i have java installed but the plugin is not linked
[08:47] <bigtony> i can't find the mozilla plugin dir
[08:47] <superted> bigtony: i've linked the plugin. doesn't work then either
[08:47] <bigtony> dang
[08:47] <will_> superted: you have to put the java plugin in the firefox dir
[08:47] <superted> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[08:47] <bigtony> how do you find the plugins dir?
[08:47] <joolz> i want to install java, but the docs are not very helpful
[08:48] <bigtony> or is it the same on all ubunutu computers?
[08:48] <superted> bigtony: sudo find / -name plugins
[08:48] <joolz> what should I add to my repository? and what package do i install?
[08:48] <brdweb> there's a great how-to on the forums about how to install java system-wide and also do the plugins
[08:48] <jcole> bigtony, superted: apt-get -y install java-common java-package; apt-get source sun-j2sdk1.5debian
[08:48] <bigtony> thankyou
[08:48] <joolz> brdweb: thanks, i'll checkt it out
[08:49] <bigtony> i have don that jcole :)
[08:49] <bigtony> just have to link the plugin now
[08:49] <bigtony> and thanks
[08:49] <superted> jcole: i didn't have java-package
[08:50] <will_> neither did i
[08:50] <bigtony> superted did you type this command ln -s /usr/java/j2re1.4.2_04/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32
[08:51] <superted> bigtony: yep
[08:51] <bigtony> ming is 05 though
[08:51] <bigtony> i assume yours is too
[08:51] <superted> probably
[08:51] <bigtony> j2re1.4.2_05
[08:52] <eboka> why the switch from kernel-headers to linux-headers?
[08:53] <jcole> bigtony, superted: ./make-jpkg ./jdk-1_5_0-beta2-linux-i586.bin
[08:53] <jcole> bigtony, superted: that creates a .deb
[08:53] <will_> eboka: dont know! strange, that eh?
[08:53] <counterfeitliver> Anyone wanna clue me in on how to disable acpi?  My system hangs at shutdown on "acpi_powerdown called" or something like that
[08:54] <eboka> will_: threw me for a second
[08:54] <bigtony> hold hang on let me catch up will try this again
[08:54] <will_> maybe its debian-sense
[08:54] <thoreauputic> I suppose technically linux *is* the kernel, after all
[08:54] <eboka> debian uses kernel-headers
[08:54] <eboka> must be to distinguish custom kernels
[08:54] <jcole> superted: check your sources.list and make sure you have restricted and universe
[08:54] <bigtony> doing now and thanks
[08:54] <superted> jcole: i have
[08:55] <superted> i just don't get it
[08:55] <eboka> custom ubuntu kernels, that is..
[08:55] <superted> i HAVE libjavaplugin_oji.so
[08:55] <jcole> superted: apt-get update ?
[08:55] <superted> in all the plugin dirs
[08:55] <superted> linked
[08:55] <superted> ill try to cp it instead of linking
[08:56] <jcole> superted: you are trying to get java plugin working in firefox or mozilla?
[08:56] <bigtony> o cam
[08:56] <superted> firefox
[08:56] <bigtony> i can't get the make to work right if i type sh it will convert it to a deb
[08:57] <will_> does anyone have the repositries for mplayer?
[08:57] <jcole> superted: /home/superted/.mozilla/firefox/default.{whatever}/plugins
[08:58] <joolz> ok, in order to install java i decided to follow the easy way, method 1 on http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/Java
[08:58] <gwildor_> will_, its on the wiki, search for restictedformats
[08:58] <joolz> but it doesn't tell met what to apt-get install
[08:58] <joolz> can anyone tell me plz?
[09:00] <bigtony> trying to link it now
[09:00] <gwildor_> joolz, java-package
[09:01] <bigtony> yeah enable java still doesn't sh ow up in advanced
[09:01] <jcole> bigtony: type "about:plugins" in firefox to see installed plugins
[09:01] <bigtony> ok hang on
[09:01] <eboka> kind of a pain getting the headers to match the kernel...
[09:01] <will_> superted: did you get it working?
[09:01] <superted> wtf
[09:01] <superted> on about:plugins it says that i have java enabled
[09:01] <joolz> gwildor_: E: Couldn't find package java-package
[09:02] <bigtony> nothing for java :(
[09:02] <eboka> this sucks, partway through an install, running kernel 2.6.8.1-2, and I can only find headers for 2.6.8.1-3 -- I cant very well change kernels right  now... is there a way to force the old headers?
[09:03] <bigtony> brb trying something
[09:03] <joolz> counterfeitliver: i want to try your idea, but that way i'll miss the apt/update functionality for java...
[09:03] <eboka> an install of 3rd party software that is..
[09:05] <xuzo_> hi, i have some problems upgrading xserver-org from the first version
[09:05] <GammaRay> eboka: those are the same version.. just different ubuntu releases. I'll bet most things could not tell the difference if you just renamed the folder.
[09:06] <joh_> hi
[09:06] <eboka> GammaRay: you don't think I should just abort my vmware install, upgraded the kernel and linux-sources, then start over?
[09:06] <eboka> vmware probably isnt most things..
[09:06] <joh_> is the new ati/nvidia drivers going into warty updates? Or do I have to wait for hoary?
[09:07] <LifesizeKenDoll> yea, does anyone know how to install vmware?
[09:07] <eboka> workin on it...
[09:07] <LifesizeKenDoll> joh_: it's not even in hoary
[09:07] <eboka> just gotta get the kernel straight.
[09:07] <GammaRay> eboka: I think you should probably check the changelog for the kernel.. they could have fixed a typo for all I know.
[09:07] <Keybuk> joh_: generally speaking, once a distro has been released it's sealed and nothing changes
[09:07] <Keybuk> (apart from security fixes, and oh-my-god-it's-full-of-core type bugs)
[09:08] <Keybuk> the new stuff goes into the next release
[09:08] <joh_> Keybuk: ok :)
[09:09] <joh_> thanks
[09:09] <eboka> GammaRay: yeah... it was like from version 6 to version 16...
[09:10] <Keybuk> heh, Rhythmbox has a sense of humour ... it just played me Tubular Bells followed by Damon Albarn - Closet Romantic
[09:10] <Keybuk> how odd
[09:10] <eboka> GammaRay: is there a way to jump into the new kernel I jsut installed?
[09:12] <sjoerd>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=136255
[09:12] <GammaRay> rebooting is the only way I know
[09:12] <GammaRay> how would I view a changelog for an installed package?
[09:13] <GammaRay> (I'm new)
[09:19] <mdz> GammaRay: /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.Debian.gz
[09:21] <WW> Could someone answer some questions about GAIM/Instant messaging/etc in #ubuntu-offtopic?
[09:21] <GammaRay> mdz: thanks
[09:22] <GammaRay> WW: what about #gaim?
[09:22] <FX|Laptop> Hello
[09:22] <thoreauputic> GammaRay: I thought that question was already answered in #debian?
[09:22] <GammaRay> thoreauputic: I asked here first
[09:22] <FX|Laptop> Wondering if anyone else is running hoary and having trouble with Enemy Territory?
[09:23] <thoreauputic> GammaRay: ah - yes - my mistake :)
[09:23] <benjanet> can i get Firegox 1.0 on my Ubuntu ?
[09:23] <hsidhu> how can I install kde 3.3.3?
[09:24] <thoreauputic> benjanet: go to mozilla.org and install their binary (it has an installer)
[09:24] <WW> GammaRay: I'm trying to catch up with the 21st century.  I am using GAIM now talk in channels like #ubuntu, but I have know idea how arrange a private chat with someone (other than telling them to join, say, #ubuntu, and then using /msg).
[09:25] <WW> GammaRay: ugh: s/now talk/now to talk, s/know idea/no idea/
[09:25] <GammaRay> WW: tried /query ?
[09:27] <benjanet> thoreauputic, thanks
[09:27] <GammaRay> I'm not really sure how gaim works w/ irc though
[09:27] <Challange> i guess I have installed the bluez-utilz
[09:28] <thoreauputic> WW: /ctcp <nick> chat  would also be possible
[09:28] <Challange> but I don't know where they are and I stiil can't connect my phone
[09:28] <Challange> can anyone help me?
[09:29] <Challange> another question
[09:30] <Challange> how can I use my other winchester?
[09:30] <Challange> :D
[09:30] <Challange> I've another hdd
[09:30] <Dekkard> wi whiprush
[09:30] <Challange> and I cant reach
[09:30] <Challange> "thats not mine"
[09:31] <Challange> it sais
[09:31] <bigtony> haha now evertime i run a page that has java on it firefox crashes haha
[09:32] <WW> thoreauputic: Quick question: in Gaim, how do a get a command prompt to enter the /ctcp command, without first joining a specific channel?  Is it possible?
[09:33] <thoreauputic> hmmm...I use xchat - I'd have to fire it up and look
[09:33] <bigtony> anyone successfully installed the java plugin for firefox yet?
[09:37] <stuNNed> how do i put an init script in /etc/rc2.d if it is in /etc/init.d ?
[09:40] <WW> thoreauputic: Do mind if I try an experiment with IM using your nick?
[09:41] <hsidhu> anyone know a mirror that i cant put in my sources.list to install kde 3.3.1
[09:41] <hsidhu> ?
[09:41] <Kev-> Are there any non-console dvd authoring programs on the livecd?
[09:41] <thoreauputic> WW: no go ahead
[09:41] <thoreauputic> WW: seems like gaim doesn't know about ctcp
[09:44] <hsidhu> why not just use an irc client?>] 
[09:44] <hsidhu> apt-get install irssi
[09:45] <Kev-> none?
[09:45] <Treenaks> the wiki is sloooow when I update..
[09:45] <FX|Laptop> hmm I got the game to start by killing esd any ideas why?
[09:47] <gwildor_> what game
[09:48] <netmonk> stuNNed, i think what you need is sudo update-rc.d <yourscirpt> start <giveanumber> 2 .
[09:50] <stuNNed> netmonk, thanks, new to debian... :)
[09:50] <netmonk> stuNNed, so am i, just asked the sam question today
[09:50] <netmonk> ;)
[09:50] <FX|Laptop> gwildor_, enemy territory. after upgrading to hoary it wouldn't start
[09:51] <gwildor_> FX|Laptop, how that play for you...a bit choppy for me
[09:51] <trans_err> FX|Laptop, hoary likes to start esd automatically
[09:51] <gwildor_> what is esd?
[09:51] <maus> oh dear I seem to have destroyed X
[09:51] <trans_err> a sound deamon
[09:51] <gwildor_> ah...kk
[09:51] <FX|Laptop> can I shut that down some how?
[09:51] <trans_err> it manages sound from different sources, but I havn't used it in a year or so
[09:51] <trans_err> FX|Laptop, you can in your Desktop Prefs under sound
[09:51] <FX|Laptop> Or what would be my fix.
[09:51] <gwildor_> trans_err, like sound from 2 app at the same time?
[09:51] <trans_err> turn off sound server
[09:52] <trans_err> gwildor_, yeah
[09:53] <FX|Laptop> Ok, I'll still have sound in gaim and stuff right?
[09:53] <FX|Laptop> yep I do thanks for the help
[09:53] <maus> does anybody know anything about how an attempt to compile a new kernel and a new nvidia module for said kernel and failing ends up making X very, very unhappy on the old, default kernel?
[09:55] <daniels> because you're using the nvidia driver
[09:55] <FX|Laptop> welp gotta go, again thanks for the help guys
[09:56] <maus> well, here's my problem: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3908
[09:57] <stuNNed> netmonk, what goes in the <givanumber> field?
[09:58] <maus> the big problem appears to be the "Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!" message I get when I run startx
[09:58] <trans_err> maus, have you tried nvidia's installer?
[09:59] <maus> yeah; it errors out, too. Let me get the exact message real quick here
[10:00] <maus> ahh, yes. I get the "please make sure you have configured kernel sources matching your kernel installed" etc etc. Problem is, I can't find sources for 2.8.6.1-3-386 anywhere, which is my non-custom kernel.
[10:02] <Kev-> Is there no sshd on the livecd??
[10:03] <maus> I suppose I could reboot into my 2.8.9 kernel and see what I get over there
[10:03] <maus> mainly I'm worried at all of the clutter I've accrued from the several kernel builds and nvidia-module builds.
[10:05] <gilligan_> anyone here running ubuntu on a powerbook ?
[10:09] <thoreauputic> gilligan_: I'm sure there would be - you might need to wait a bit
[10:15] <hsidhu> where can i add kde to gdm so that it shows up as an option on startup
[10:15] <gilligan_> hsidhu, actually that should happen automatically after kde packages have been installed/configured
[10:16] <WX> anyone here have nforce3 sound working?
[10:16] <WX> my sound just doesn't work
[10:17] <polytan> salut
[10:17] <hsidhu> gilligan_: thannks kde did confiure it
[10:18] <hsidhu> but its /usr/share/xsessions
[10:18] <hsidhu> for future reference
[10:18] <gilligan_> hsidhu, yes i just had that file opened in vim to check hehe
[10:19] <gilligan_> hm..seems like there is still no way to use the svideo-out on powerbooks under linux.. damn :/
[10:23] <Ruffian|JANE|> Anyone alive?
[10:23] <Ruffian|JANE|> in Ubuntu channel?
[10:23] <tim1> mmh
[10:24] <Ruffian|JANE|> ...............
[10:24] <Ruffian|JANE|> bob2, hows it going?
[10:25] <daniels> Ruffian|JANE|: it's still early in Australia
[10:26] <Ruffian|JANE|> ic
[10:28] <I|> download soft games web??
[10:30] <jeffreyb> Help please. I trying to decide between Ubuntu and Mepis. Ubuntu is leading.. but I need to find out how easy/difficult it is to install nVidia drivers and VMWARE. Can someone help shed some light on these issues with Ubuntu.
[10:31] <tvon> no clue about vmware, nvidia works for me fine
[10:32] <jeffreyb> did you simply need to run the nVidia driver script the was downloaded from nVidia?
[10:32] <TSWoodV> Hello!  Anyone know where I can get nmapfe for ubuntu?
[10:32] <spiv> jeffreyb: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:33] <jeffreyb> Sweet - thaks spiv!
[10:35] <jeffreyb> Now all I need is to find out about installing VMware.
[10:35] <lemsx1> jeffreyb, what do you need to know about vmware?
[10:36] <jeffreyb> are there any gottchas in installing on ubuntu?
[10:36] <jeffreyb> do i need to do any kernel stuff?
[10:36] <wasabi_> yeah.
[10:36] <jeffreyb> I just fount the ubuntu wiki on vmware.
[10:36] <wasabi_> you'll need the kernel headers.
[10:37] <wasabi_> yeah.
[10:37] <jeffreyb> Then there's the udev gottcha.
[10:37] <wasabi_> well that's working for me.
[10:39] <superted> can someone who has java working in a browser w/ ubuntu tell which method they used? i really have a need for it right now
[10:40] <counterfeitliver> superted:  i got it working with the directions at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[10:40] <Jojjnas> superted, well.. I don't know the "ubuntu way", just been using it fopr 2 days.. but if you just want java working download the JRE (Java Runtime Enviroment) for linux from sun
[10:42] <pucko> the install thought it was a good idea to setup grub without asking me, and now I got it on hda instead of sda.. argh.. anyone have an idea on how I move it?
[10:42] <superted> counterfeitliver: so wierd it doesn't work for me :\
[10:43] <RubenV> anybody here with knowledge about suspend?
[10:44] <mesut> anyone got ubuntu cds yet ?
[10:45] <bigtony> jojj: i'm with superted I have downloade the jre and installed and even linked the plugin it still doesn't work :(
[10:46] <TraceyTux> Which reminds me - I ordered one a few days after warty came out and I was wondering if anyone knew when I should get it...
[10:47] <superted> Jojjnas: what did you do after installling that?
[10:48] <Jojjnas> superted, well.. havn't tried it in ubuntu... wich browser are you using ?
[10:48] <ogra> mdz: grrr
[10:51] <superted> Jojjnas: moz,firefox,epiphany
[10:55] <bigtony> hey superted that method he posted works
[10:55] <bigtony> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[10:55] <bigtony> works just fine
[10:55] <bigtony> thanks counterfeit :)
[10:55] <Kev-> whhhyyyy oh why is there no compiler with the livecd :(
[10:56] <Kev-> This livecd seems to be missing everything I need to use
[10:56] <superted> bigtony: i've tried it. though i guess i can try it again to make sure
[10:56] <bigtony> yeah i had tried it too
[10:56] <bigtony> but try it again step by step
[10:56] <bigtony> it works fine
[10:56] <ben_> hi
[10:57] <gwildor_> OMG, work is finally OVER
[10:57] <gwildor_> 3 mins
[10:57] <Zugwrack> Howdy
[10:58] <Zugwrack> Hi Oli!
[10:59] <ogra> hi Zug
[11:05] <Zugwrack> ogra: Got a couple minutes to walk me through a couple things?
[11:06] <ogra> Zugwrack: wait a moment
[11:06] <Zugwrack> ogra: Ok
[11:06] <ogra> mdz: wiki merged.....
[11:06] <mdz> ogra: thanks
[11:07] <ogra> Zugwrack: ok... shoot
[11:07] <mdz> ogra: ack, where did the bullets go?
[11:07] <ogra> bullets ?
[11:08] <mdz> ogra: the list items had bullets before
[11:08] <ogra> mdz: there were none on you doc .... took me some effort to get my list like yours
[11:08] <ogra> mdz: i'll care....
[11:08] <mdz> they were there in the rendered output from my page
[11:09] <mdz> zwiki seems to be strange about lists
[11:09] <Zugwrack> Ok..sorry was away ogra
[11:09] <mdz> I have seen this happen before
[11:09] <ogra> Zugwrack: sorr....just some more mins....
[11:09] <ogra> +y
[11:09] <Zugwrack> ogra: K
[11:10] <ogra> mdz: what kind of editing method do you use ?
[11:10] <ogra> mdz: moin moin?
[11:10] <mdz> ogra: hmm, they are back now
[11:10] <mdz> yes
[11:10] <ogra> mdz: me too, so this shouldnt change.....
 ogra: hmm, they are back now
[11:11] <ogra> mdz: where ?
[11:12] <mdz> ogra: HardwareDatabase
[11:12] <ogra> mdz: hmm, i can see them in the editing perview, but not in the site
[11:13] <Zugwrack> question about dummy files...if a actual .deb file holds all the files and references to any dependencies why is it necessary to have a "dummy" file?
[11:13] <mdz> no idea what a dummy file is
[11:13] <ogra> mdz: oops edit conflict..... we should get jdub to manage us :)
[11:13] <Zugwrack> mdz: supposed to have something to do with dependencies..
[11:13] <thoreauputic> Zugwrack: do you mean a meta package?
[11:14] <mdz> ogra: jdub?
[11:14] <fga> Hi, I'm trying to have software suspend 2 to work with warty and have some problems
[11:14] <Zugwrack> thoreauputic: I am unsure since this is all new as far as the packaging system is concerned...I come from a rpm based world
[11:14] <ogra> mdz: does he release management for wiki pages ?
[11:14] <thoreauputic> Zugwrack: a meta package tells the system which other packages are required ( eg gnome is a meta package)
[11:14] <fga> is anyone familiar with software suspend ?
[11:15] <thoreauputic> Zugwrack: or kde or quite a few others
[11:15] <mdz> ogra: he does release management for Ubuntu
[11:15] <ogra> mdz: sorry, but i still got no bullets in the original page.....
[11:15] <mdz> ogra: well, I do, so I'm happy :-)
[11:15] <Zugwrack> thoreauputic: give me a sec and I'll see if I can find an example from Synaptic so you can look at it and see if this is the case..
[11:16] <ogra> mdz: i got them in the preview though
[11:16] <mdz> Zugwrack: are you referring to a dummy package? (rather than a file)
[11:16] <thoreauputic> apt-cache show gnome will demonstrate : you will see a "meta" line
[11:17] <Zugwrack> thoreauputic: check out this file in synaptic....evolution1.5-dev the desciption says it is a "dummy" file
[11:17] <Zugwrack> mdz: yes
[11:17] <mdz> Zugwrack: they are generally used in order to provide a smooth upgrade
[11:18] <Zugwrack> mdz: Sorry isn't a .deb file a "package"?
[11:18] <mdz> e.g., if you have package foo installed, and the package is renamed to foo-bar, a dummy 'foo' package is sometimes created, so that systems where' foo' was installed now receive 'bar'
[11:18] <thoreauputic> Zugwrack: I don't have that package - I'm on debian sarge
[11:18] <mdz> er, s/'bar'/'foo-bar'/
[11:18] <ogra> *g*
[11:18] <Zugwrack> mdz: Ok that makes total sense now..
[11:19] <Zugwrack> thor: Ok thanks for the education!
[11:19] <Zugwrack> mdz: You too!
[11:19] <HWolf> Can anyone help me see why Gdesklets is not working for me?
[11:20] <thoreauputic> Zugwrack: apt-cache search and apt-cache show can be quicker than firing up synaptic, too :)
[11:20] <Zugwrack> thoreauputic: Thanks...for making the transition easier to a debian style version of linux....
[11:21] <thoreauputic> Zugwrack: you're welcome - enjoy :)
[11:21] <ogra> mdz: lol, no bullets for me
[11:23] <ben_> how can i install firefox 1.0 from the .tar.gz ?
[11:23] <Zugwrack> Ok everyone..here is the next thing I need to understand..this is a general linux question...
[11:23] <ogra> HWolf: thanks....but you should hug mdz..... he wants bullets...but i see none.....
[11:24] <Zugwrack> I have a desire to run a program that requires j2re from Sun...I downloaded the .bin file from Sun, and also was advised to apt-get the java-package...
[11:24] <ben_> anyone?
[11:25] <ogra> so... who sees any bullets on this page ? : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareDatabase
[11:25] <Zugwrack> It installed java-package...there are different .sh files in there...I tried to execute one and passing the full path and file name of j2re..but nothing happened...even after chmod'ing the file under java-package
[11:26] <ben_> ack, the mozilla server is painfully slow atm
[11:26] <HWolf> LOL, that's to be expected ben_
[11:26] <ben_> anyway, how do i upgrade firefox from the download?
[11:26] <HWolf> run the firefox upload tool.
[11:27] <Zugwrack> Ben: I believe there is a wiki on how to do that..
[11:27] <ben_> HWolf, huh?
[11:27] <ben_> Zugwrack, ok, I'll check
[11:27] <HWolf> ben_ preferences > advanced check for updates now
[11:27] <netmonk> orga, it looks like plain text to me
[11:28] <HWolf> Anyone here very good at gdesklets?
[11:28] <Zugwrack> ogra: I see a couple of question marks with an underline below them...
[11:28] <ogra> netmonk: no bullet list ?
[11:28] <netmonk> no
[11:28] <ogra> mdz: you got bullets ?
[11:29] <netmonk> well, there are few lines that are inline, if that's what you mean
[11:29] <Zugwrack> ben_: Or maybe  is was a FAQ...
[11:29] <wasabi_> Hmm. my audio in a number of apps isn't working
[11:29] <ogra> netmonk: nope....there should be bulletsin front of the items....if i am in edit/preview i see them
[11:30] <ben_> brb
[11:30] <wasabi_> ahh. looks like my mixer isn't found.
[11:30] <wasabi_> probably udev
[11:30] <ogra> netmonk: but not on the saved site
[11:34] <mdz> ogra: now I see hyphens
[11:34] <ogra> lol
[11:34] <HWolf> ben_ firefox has an update tool built-in
[11:34] <Zugwrack> How do I get gnome to remember my console size after I re-size it?
[11:34] <Zugwrack> As well how does one do an upgrade from Warty to Hoary?
[11:34] <HWolf> zugwrak, open your sources.lst and replace warty by hoary, or so in synaptec
[11:34] <netmonk> ogra, if i open it in print preview it has bullets
[11:34] <nart> Hello, I seem to have ran into the 2.6 kernel dual boot issue with windows XP, I used to prevent it when installing something like Fedora using 'linux hda=xx,xx,xx' ... but it doesnt seem to work in ubuntu...
[11:34] <ogra> mdz: for me its a very well structured list but with no bullets hyphens or anything
[11:34] <ogra> mdz: GOT it !!!
[11:34] <netmonk> not, when i open it, ogra. no
[11:34] <SuperQ> hrm
[11:34] <ogra> mdz: the css seems not to load properly....changing form  normal font to small font and back helps :)
[11:34] <SuperQ> non-ubuntu question: anyone have reccomendation for a set-top mp3 player box?
[11:35] <ogra> netmonk: try the css....
[11:37] <tvon> Any aptitude wizards around?  I'm curious how I can list all packages in or not in a repository
[11:37] <tvon> In short, I want to figure out what cruft I have installed that isn't in the Ubuntu repositories
[11:37] <nart> does the 2.6 kernel dual boot issue with windows exist in ubuntu?
[11:38] <synapse> nart, i had no problems when dual-booting
[11:38] <synapse> it detects the winXP install and dual-boots it
[11:38] <synapse> and ive had no problems since
[11:39] <nart> hmmm... it actually happened with me... and trying to solve it in a manner i used to do with Fedora core isnt working with me now...
[11:39] <thoreauputic> nart: to be safe, set lba instead of auto in the bios
[11:41] <synapse> u want my grub cfg?
[11:41] <ben_> "firefox was not able to find any updates"
[11:41] <ben_> :(
[11:42] <synapse> ben_, the only way I got firefox 1.0 is to dload it from the website
[11:42] <lemsx1> ben_, that's a good thing
[11:42] <bigtony> i downloaded the codecs from mplayer and tar xjvf them but how do i get xine or torern to use those codecs?
[11:42] <synapse> as the one preinstalled is the ubuntu edited patched version
[11:42] <lemsx1> ben_, oh, i thought you had 1.0 already
[11:43] <nart> synapse, you did not add anything as adding options when installing like: 'linux hda=xx,xx,xx' i got this method from FC
[11:43] <ogra> bigt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:43] <bigtony> thank you
[11:44] <thoreauputic> nart: did you see my post? I gather some people have had success by tweaking their bios ^^^
[11:44] <ogra> mdz: should i file a bug against the wiki ??
[11:44] <synapse> no nart i didnt
[11:44] <mdz> ogra: I suppose, yes
[11:44] <nart> thoreauputic, i did, but with my previous experiences with Fedora that didnt fix things
[11:45] <ogra> mdz: k
[11:45] <ben_> synapse, how to i upgrade firefox after i've d/l'd the tar.gz ?
[11:45] <skar_away> hi, i've got a xml file with some strange chars like , how do i find the ascii value of this and eliminate these, using probably perl/sed/awk etc
[11:45] <thoreauputic> nart: OK - but might be worth a try with Ubuntu , don't know...
[11:45] <xuzo> skar_away: probabily it is encoding in utf8
[11:46] <thoreauputic> nart: I saw one guy fix it that way, anyway
[11:46] <Amaranth> skar: Doesn't the XML standard require you to use UTF-8?
[11:46] <nart> thoreauputic, okayz... thanks i'll give a try
[11:46] <thoreauputic> nart:  good luck, anyway :)
[11:46] <skar> Amaranth:isn't xml a text based one with any text encoding we choose to use just like html?
[11:47] <Amaranth> skar: Hmm, maybe that was Atom.
[11:47] <ben_> anyone?
[11:47] <Amaranth> I'm too tired to be of any help.
[11:47] <Amaranth> Been awake 20 hours.
[11:48] <hulett> ben_: Is the new Firefox not in the apt repository?
[11:48] <kensai> hulett: nope not yet
[11:48] <Desolate> does anyone happen to know where the pressed CDs are shipping from?
[11:49] <gen> hulett: just get manually, ff comes with a installer script
[11:49] <gen> simple
[11:49] <ben_> hulett, the apt repository doesn't changed dude, atleast no the warty one
[11:49] <ben_> and i don't think 1.0 final is in hoary yet
[11:49] <gen> hoary has rc1
[11:49] <kensai> I see constant updates of x in hoary. Thats good
[11:49] <lemsx1> wow. kernel 2.6.9 can burn CDs as regular users once again...
[11:49] <nomasteryoda> hulett was on here last night
[11:49] <kensai> but thats 90+ mb each update for the system
[11:50] <hulett> nomasteryoda: Yes?
[11:50] <nomasteryoda> was told latest firefox will be there
[11:50] <nomasteryoda> inside of 2-3 days
[11:50] <kensai> lemsx1: I'm doing that already in 2.6.8.
[11:50] <nomasteryoda> in hoary
[11:50] <ben_> so...how can i upgrade with the tar?
[11:50] <ogra> mdz: so lu has work now :)
[11:50] <ben_> lol
[11:50] <nomasteryoda> ben_
[11:50] <nomasteryoda> that is easy
[11:50] <nomasteryoda> extract
[11:50] <ben_> untar it and...then what?
[11:50] <hulett> nomasteryoda: I've not asked once about firefox.  In fact, this is the first I've commented here.  So, what then, are you talking about?
[11:50] <nomasteryoda> install to your dir of choice
[11:50] <nomasteryoda> using the installer
[11:51] <kensai> lemsx1: maybe it is in k3b only
[11:51] <nomasteryoda> hulett: sry
[11:51] <synapse> no hulett
[11:51] <synapse> as it has been frozen
[11:51] <synapse> ben_ pm me pls
[11:51] <synapse> and ill help ya
[11:51] <synapse> to put it simply.....
[11:51] <synapse> run the ff installer as root
[11:51] <synapse> chmod -R 777 the dir you put it in
[11:51] <synapse> then make new ln -s's
[11:51] <synapse> well it might get added
[11:51] <synapse> in hoary it will
[11:51] <synapse> as it isnt frozen
[11:52] <synapse> ben_, you dont _UPGRADE_
[11:52] <synapse> you do a fresh install
[11:52] <synapse> run the ff installer as root
[11:52] <synapse> chmod -R 777 the dir you put it in
[11:52] <synapse> then make new ln -s's
[11:52] <synapse> somple
[11:52] <synapse> simple*
[11:52] <bob2> 777?
[11:53] <synapse> :')
[11:53] <nomasteryoda> whoa
[11:53] <synapse> :P
[11:53] <nomasteryoda> synapse: i copied my plugins
[11:53] <synapse> o.O
[11:53] <synapse> good for you :P
[11:53] <nomasteryoda> to the desktop and then did a mv as root to put them back
[11:53] <synapse> they may not work
[11:53] <nomasteryoda> after the install
[11:53] <synapse> version conflict
[11:53] <nomasteryoda> yea they do
[11:53] <synapse> kk
[11:53] <nomasteryoda> extensions don't
[11:54] <synapse> nah
[11:54] <synapse> wouldnt expect them to
[11:54] <nomasteryoda> right
[11:54] <nomasteryoda> but plugins are great
[11:54] <nomasteryoda> mozplugger
[11:56] <nomasteryoda> in about a min i'm right back watching apple movie trailers
[11:56] <nomasteryoda> nice
[11:56] <bigtony> to kill aprocess isn't it pkill <process name>?
[11:56] <bigtony> xine froze on me
[11:56] <nomasteryoda> ya
[11:57] <nomasteryoda> it does that
[11:57] <nomasteryoda> hey bigton
[11:57] <Skif> So, I spent an insane amount of time last night porting lignumCAD to gcc3.3, and libxft2, and (hopefully) qt3... (not sure about the last).
[11:57] <bigtony> yo?
[11:57] <Skif> Anyhow, when I try to start it, I get "radeon_vtxfmt.c:1061: radeonVtxfmtUnbindContext: Assertion `vb.context == ctx' failed."
[11:57] <bigtony> i hit in terminal pkill xine it doens't do anything
[11:58] <bigtony> even with sudo
[11:58] <Skif> this looks like a dri-related bug, from what google tells me
[11:58] <lemsx1> kensai, perhaps k3b is installed as set-uid root
[11:58] <bob2> Skif: are you using firegl?
[11:58] <lemsx1> kensai, you mean 2.6.8.1 ?
[11:58] <ogra> bigtony: killall
[11:59] <ogra> bigtony: killall xine
[11:59] <bigtony> so its pkill -all?
[11:59] <Skif> bob2: no, radeon mobility m7
[11:59] <bigtony> ok thanks
[11:59] <usual> hoary seems alot snappier since the last update i did yesterday(the one with X and all that shit)
[11:59] <bob2> Skif: with the Free drivers?
[11:59] <Skif> bob2: with whatever ubuntu gave me
[11:59] <bob2> ok
[11:59] <bigtony> doesn't do anything
[11:59] <bigtony> just take sme back to root
[11:59] <bigtony> and xine is still there
[12:00] <ogra> bigtony: killall -9 xine