=== hornbeck 's back [12:08] ChrisH you around? [12:53] anyway people, I'm off to bed [12:53] been a wreck of a day on the code front..mostly perlish === hornbeck [~hornbeck@adsl-69-155-172-150.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:52] anyone around? === zippy_ [~justin@adsl-67-115-135-242.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WW [~wweckesse@67-138-154-142.dsl1.nor.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:14] Anyone here? [04:22] Well, someone will eventually read the logs, so I'll just talk to myself for a bit. [04:23] Take a look at WikiSandBox. I think there may be a bug in how ReST processes literal blocks. === WW makes one last wave to the log readers, and quits. === WW [~wweckesse@67-138-154-142.dsl1.nor.ny.frontiernet.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [06:14] anyone around tonight? [06:35] good morning [06:46] hey [06:47] hi! [06:47] man the server is running great :-) [06:47] ok! [06:47] I still have no svn working [06:47] so what are u running? apache? [06:47] but I have my blog up, and have the book hosted, and a few other things [06:47] apache [06:47] svn needs apache2 though [06:48] I tried to get it to work but threw all kinds of errors at me [06:48] really? [06:48] you can run both at the same time or not? [06:48] I hear you can, but I don't know how [06:48] I would not mind moving to apache2 but I would have to know how to reset everything [06:49] all docs are for regular apache [06:49] ah well, in time [06:49] yeah [06:49] mono moved to svn today [06:49] i had very troubles with it... [06:49] btw have you seen ChrisH svn? [06:49] no? [06:50] runs nicely, we have the faq in it, runs great in yelp [06:50] good deal [06:51] i put the old faq in it, now we have to clean it up [06:51] http://torf.workaround.org:8080/faq/ [06:51] so you are going to the conference [06:51] faq.xml -> yelp faq.xml [06:51] probably yes [06:51] thats cool [06:51] some last details, but i hope to go [06:52] lulu emailed me saying they could pay for me to go [06:52] still need a laptop [06:52] hornbeck, cool! [06:52] and? [06:52] but it takes 6-8 weeks for me to get a passport :-( [06:52] so those dreams died fast [06:52] hornbeck, aarhh, so long? [06:52] yeah [06:53] here we all have one, the countries are so small [06:53] you cross borders 20 times a day [06:53] yeah, I never travel so I never got one [06:53] so I am going to get one that way I have it [06:53] in the states you can travel a lot without ever leaving the states [06:53] also I would be gone all of December if I went [06:54] holland is < 2 hours wide [06:54] :-) [06:54] nice [06:54] I bet it is alot nicer there though [06:54] the USA sucks [06:54] to many people, to much polution, to much hate [06:54] depends, some places here suck as well, if not harder [06:55] but the hate, you've got a lot yeah [06:55] people here are just stupid :-) [06:55] an polution, get used to it, 4 more yers of bushisms ahead [06:55] yeah [06:55] :-( [06:56] I did not like Kerry either though [06:56] he was nothing but a liar just like the rest of them [06:56] choice between two evils [06:56] I choose neither [06:56] voted "none of the above" [06:56] i liked *that* movie [06:56] brusters millions [06:57] :-) bing! [06:57] haha [06:57] Richard Pryor was amazing [06:57] back in the days [06:57] well he can't really even talk anymore [06:57] he might rattle [06:58] haha [06:58] have you ever seen stir crazy? [06:58] that is funny [06:58] ok, got to run to work, i'll be back onine in 3 hours [06:58] no, not yet, must see [06:58] ok I will be in bed then [06:58] ok, good night! [06:58] bye [06:58] sleep tight! [06:58] bye! [07:04] hmm, yelp in hoary will not open these docbook files === skyrider [~skyrider@kid.stu.cn.ua] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:41] hey [07:41] I have to go in a sec [07:41] its almost 1am here [07:42] you can create pages that are translations and add the word Russian to the beginning of the title [07:42] we need that pretty bad if you are interested [07:42] but I have to run, thanks for helping if you decide to [07:43] ok. I'll try === skyrider [~skyrider@kid.stu.cn.ua] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sid77 [~sid77@host98-44.pool8020.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sid77 ciao [09:11] Moin... === mercurus [~mercurus@144.134.201.84] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:37] hi guys === ChrisH has just set up a mirror server :) => 6 MB/sec! [09:50] woah [09:50] Could you try? http://ubuntu-mirror.workaround.org [09:51] ChrisH, ok! [09:51] ChrisH, yep, works ok [09:52] ChrisH, can you take a look at the faq? is my indention etc ok? [09:52] plovs_work: did you reiterate my comments from yesterday? [09:52] i *think* i did, take a look and comment [09:53] ChrisH, blast, i forgot my password at home, can you change it [09:53] plovs_work: sure [09:57] ChrisH i started at the end [10:01] btw i spoke with mdz, he said if we want to we can create an additional package for yelp in yelp, eg the faq etc, then offer it, it will get in [10:02] Good. [10:04] checkout: /usr/share/gnome/help/zenity/C/zenity.xml it has more tags then we use eg to be used together with [10:10] Hmmm... yes. === lulu [~lu@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:19] Mornin', lulu... :) [10:20] ChrisH: Good morning :o) [10:20] and all! [10:24] plovs_work: I'm reviewing the faq now... all changed checked in? [10:31] Hmm. We should decide whether we use the english (s) or american (z) spelling of words. I tend to use 's'. :) [10:37] ChrisH: we decided on British English for Ubuntu :o) [10:44] ChrisH, formatting ok? [10:45] ChrisH, lulu: yes, sir! :) [10:52] ChrisH: ;) [10:52] plovs_work: Sure. Icons, graphics... whatever. In the future we will probably have an installation CD and an FAQ CD (codename "plovs"). [10:53] plovs_work: I'm fixing a few minor things. "CONFIGURATION" was all in caps. Some empty sections. Nothing big. [10:54] plovs_work: We need to keep in mind that either we use ... or if it spans multiple lines the verbatim block must begin in column 1 (even if it looks ugly in the XML). [10:54] ChrisH, yess it did look ugly [10:55] installation CD and an FAQ CD (codename "plovs"), sounds nice [10:55] Perhaps we can even add high-res video. :) [10:56] actually yesterday i saw how to make video demos's ... [10:56] and i was wondering ... [10:56] since i agreed with you last time ... [10:57] Changes checked in... [10:58] ChrisH, ok, what about: ? [10:59] ChrisH, is used in zenity calendar for longer listings, might be better for eg XFREE-stuff ? [10:59] plovs_work: programlisting is visually the same thing as [11:01] ChrisH, but in docbook it lines up correctly afaik (see zenity.xml) I have no preference just telling what i read [11:01] ok, off to eat, be back in 30 minutes [11:15] a question: how are the pages organized under the wiki? [11:16] I've to submit italian translations: I made new ones under / or can I move under a "subfolder" (if this concept exists) [11:22] sid77Away: No, Wikis arrange all pages on the same leve. [11:22] sid77Away: We definitely need to figure out how translations are handled. [11:22] ok, thanks, noticed reading german translations [11:23] sid77Away: I wonder if the wiki has the possibility to say "this part is for browsers that are set to 'italian'" [11:23] is there a policy for naming? [11:23] I'm going to create something following the german style [11:23] like: ItalianDocumentationInstallationHowTo-x86 [11:24] well [11:24] how awful 8/ [11:24] InstallationHowTo-x86-it sounds nicer ;) [11:26] lulu: Do you know how we can mark parts of the wiki as being of a certain language? [11:27] sid77Away: You should probably call it anything and just link it to https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ItalianDocumentation [11:27] yes, sure that was my plan [11:28] ChrisH: nope :o( but why don't u ping simon michael, Zwiki guru! and I'm sure he can help. [11:30] lulu: k === ChrisH is out for lunch === trickie [~trickie@203-173-44-76.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sivang [~sivang@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:28] Morning all / or should I say good afternoon? [12:28] :) [12:35] sivang: Say what you want. My brain says "night". :) [12:35] ChrisH : haha :) === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.147] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:00] ok, back for a sec [01:01] ChrisH, yelp complains: Use of deprecated SAXv1 function endElement [01:01] sivang, hi [01:03] first set of italian howto are up, going to lunch, bye! [01:09] sid77Away, well done! === mercurus_ [~mercurus@PIPP-p-144-134-201-235.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:29] plovs_work: I see that warning, too. No idea what that means. [01:37] hey plovs_work [01:37] whas'up all? [01:38] plovs_work: The FAQ looks good so far. What's next... would you include the other Wiki FAQ page? I would later (when I'm at home) "invent" some more general FAQs that I wrote down when I started with Ubuntu. [01:38] ah , website is speedy, wiki is [01:38] wonderful [01:38] ! [01:39] plovs_work: I'm thinking about: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions [01:43] good morning [01:48] moring hornbeck, [01:48] how was your night? :) [01:48] hornbeck: Hey... [01:48] hornbeck: Any news on your server/network trouble? [01:49] my night was full of exciting sleep [01:49] the server should be working fine [01:49] svn did not work from your instructions though [01:49] I now have ftp access set up to [01:50] hornbeck: What went wrong? [01:50] when I would try to connect it would have internel server errros [01:50] errors [01:51] hornbeck: Shall we fix that now? [01:51] sure, I have about a half hour [01:51] is that enough time? [01:51] hornbeck: Let's try. [01:51] ok [01:51] I am running apache 1 right now [01:51] Why not 2? [01:52] because typeing sudo apt-get apache gave me one :-) [01:52] also I could not find much docs for two [01:52] I suggest installing "apache2". The svn/dav implementation is much easier there. [01:52] ok [01:52] I have started with apache2 a few day ago. It's really not that hard. [01:52] so do I need to uninstall apache1? [01:54] You better do. [01:54] ok, svn and apache2 are now installed [01:55] Okay... now let's try from my quick wiki page. [01:56] I am at the page [01:56] now the /home/svn/faq do I need to mkdir that before anything else? [01:57] Not necessary. [01:57] svnadmin... [01:59] hornbeck: Like a hand? (ssh access?) I could help setting up the apache. [01:59] I don't know if my ssh is working [01:59] you can try [01:59] ssh 69.155.172.150 [01:59] you remember your login? [02:02] hornbeck, good morning! [02:02] good morning [02:06] hornbeck : not working, the ssh that is [02:07] hornbeck: morning :o) [02:07] morning lulu [02:07] hornbeck : but I do get your ping. [02:07] yeah I know ssh is not working sivang :-) [02:10] ChrisH, i can work on the rest of the faq tonight [02:10] ChrisH, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions that is [02:11] plovs_work: Cool. I could imagine that we publish the first version on the Wiki somewhere (lulu is actually finding a place for us). [02:12] ChrisH, nice, so i'll incorperate the rest tonight, and then some more cleaning up [02:12] plovs_work: Good work, Sir. [02:12] ChrisH, i would like to use this opportunity to congratulte you as well [02:13] me too! :o) [02:13] plovs_work: Why's that? :) [02:13] ChrisH, it's a healty 8 pound faq! [02:13] plovs_work: Oh, no, not another baby. === hornbeck [~hornbeck@adsl-69-155-172-150.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:30] ChrisH, what do you think, the wiki-faq has many links to wiki-pages, remove the entry or incorporate the info, i prefer the latter, just the faq will become quite big [02:31] I second that. Don't worry about size. The yelp version will be included as a zipped package. And the XHTML page can be automatically split into multiple pages. [02:32] ChrisH will we add to further reading? messy, but convenient, hmm [02:33] huh? [02:33] ChrisH, "click this link to go the wiki, to learn how to use nano..." [02:35] I'd like to try to get everything useful into the XML file itself without too many external links. [02:36] ChrisH, might be more convenient yes === sid77 [~sid77@host98-44.pool8020.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sid77 re === sid77 [~sid77@host98-44.pool8020.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sid77 re === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:00] hi enrico! [04:01] Finally configured irssi to join here by default! [04:01] Hello all! [04:01] haha [04:01] lol [04:01] were you always been using irssi? [04:02] I was using BitchX and I was too lazy to do anything advanced with it; then someone told me irssi is better [04:02] So now I use irssi, and I'm too lazy to do anything advanced with it [04:02] But irssi's defaults are better :) [04:02] I want a preferences dialog :) [04:04] haha [04:04] you console devil...asking for dialogs.. [04:05] When I have the time to learn a new language, I prefer python or german instead of IRC commands === enrico is not 31337 enough [04:07] 31337 ? [04:07] ahahahahahahahahaha [04:07] sivang: elite, but written in an elite way [04:07] oh.. [04:08] :) [04:08] everybody on ubuntu are elite, right? and even those who just joined us :) [04:08] BTW, for computer jargon I suggest installing most of the dict-* packages [04:09] noted. [04:09] then you just "dict elite" or "dict heisenbug" or "dict tla" and so on [04:09] Once you get the habit of using dict, you become omniscent and everyone respects you ;) [04:09] enrico: Hi, boss. :) [04:10] enrico: Actually you can configure irssi until it looks good enough and then run /saveconf [04:10] ChrisH: Hi! But I'm a servant, not a boss! [04:11] ChrisH: ah, ok. What I have problem is remembering the sequence of commands to add channels that keep being around when I restart irssi, and also to remove such channel and reorder them [04:11] ChrisH: my problem is that if you tell me now, then I forget next time [04:11] enrico: "enrico" who? :) === enrico needs a cheat sheet [04:12] ChrisH: I'm Enrico Zini === sivang is the boss :))) [04:12] enrico: I figured that. Are you from GER, too? [04:12] ChrisH: GER? [04:12] ChrisH : hint - he can teach you how to make good pasta [04:12] :) [04:12] ChrisH: ah, Germany. No, I'm Italian [04:13] lol [04:13] enrico: If you want to learn German: I can speak it quite well. I'm just a lousy teacher. But I'm teaching it to my son currently so if you like to join... :) [04:13] ChrisH : you already have one student for the conference..:) [04:13] ChrisH: ja! Das would be gut [04:13] enrico: Na, fein. :) === enrico dicts fein [04:14] Found! Dict is great! [04:14] ChrisH: Das would be fein! [04:16] enrico: Regarding irssi... in your ~/.irssi/config you probably have a channels = () section. Add an entry like: { name = "#ubuntu-doc"; chatnet = "freenode"; autojoin = "yes"; }, [04:17] ChrisH: so you don't do it with IRC commands either. I edited the config file as well [04:18] enrico: I don't think that autojoin can be configured while being online. [04:18] enrico: It's like a .bashrc, .zshrc or .vimrc... you take a whole day to customise it and never care about it again. [04:18] ChrisH: I think "/channel add -auto ircnet channelname" would do for adding. I don't know about moving and removing [04:18] enrico: Ah. [04:19] enrico: Oh, well, the documentation on irssi is really bad. === sid77 [~sid77@host100-44.pool8020.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sid77 re === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.147] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:45] I'm catching up on open issues after brasil: has everything been sorted out wrt #ubuntu-doc channel ownership? [05:10] enrico: Not publicly yet. During the #ubuntu-meeting I openend up the channel and had the Chanserv register it. Is there an issue? [05:18] ChrisH: no, not really: I just wanted to check if everything is right or if there is something else to do. Someone raised the issue of channel ownership during the meeting [05:18] I actually don't know precisely what channel ownership means [05:18] However, it's my role of getting things sorted out, so I was checking if there was something left to do [05:18] enrico: If you enter a channel which not exists yet, the channel will be created and you become the operator. [05:19] I also see 'ubuntulog' hanging around [05:19] enrico: As you probably want to sleep sometimes you don't want to loose the op. [05:19] ChrisH: ah, so "channel ownership" means the registering with chanserv thing [05:19] enrico: So you can register yourself with Nickserv and the channel with Chanserv and thus get the op permissions back. [05:20] ChrisH: cool. But how come Chanserv is not on che channel at the moment? [05:21] enrico: Chanserv is a special user (bot) from the freenode.net system. It does not need to be in a channel. [05:21] enrico: "/msg Chanserv help" if you are curious [05:22] enrico: Currently sivang and I have signed up as operators. But we tend to stay on "normal" permissions unless there is really something bad going on (kiddies flooding the channel with useless junk just for the fun of it). [05:22] Sure [05:22] Cool, then, everything is sorted out. Thanks, guys! [06:40] anyone still around? [06:52] yup! howzit going? [06:52] hey [06:52] have you ever used arch before? [06:53] do you know how to pull a archive? === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.147] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:12] well I am off to work again [07:12] Ah... pizza has arrived. :) [07:14] hey [07:14] hornbeck: Nah, haven't used arch before. [07:14] ChrisH I get webdav errors from my server [07:14] what could cause that [07:14] hornbeck: Let's see... [07:15] hornbeck: The subdirectory is still /faq ? [07:15] hornbeck: Hey, I get an SSH connection! [07:15] hornbeck: ...just not for long. Your server kicks me out...: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host [07:16] nice, but you can get through? [07:16] weeeeeee [07:16] how can I fix that [07:17] I have a arch repos set up [07:17] So we are silently switching to arch? [07:17] well I am going to set one up [07:17] are we? [07:18] we can use what ever but the devs us arch [07:18] I thought we were happy with svn. :) [07:18] that is what Ubuntu uses overall [07:18] we can use svn [07:18] The devs use arch for _some_ purpose. Many parts are still in CVS. [07:18] svn is fine [07:18] And nobody is really urged to use anything special. :) [07:18] calm down [07:18] I plan a svn server for us [07:18] I'm not enraged. I promise. [07:19] I still would like a arch server though [07:19] when you used ssh for me, did you log in with your username? [07:19] I'd like to try it out, too, once. Just was surprised. [07:19] I wasn't even asked for a username. The connection was interrupted. What does your auth.log say? [07:20] try ssh chrish@69.155.172.150 [07:20] ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host [07:20] hmm [07:21] sorry [07:21] can i speak? [07:21] yes please do [07:21] hi then... [07:22] with UbuntuLinux ITALIA we are now [07:23] ChrisH I know the problem, I will fix in a bit [07:23] making some hominid-proof how-tos... since theyre referred to clerks, or where-did-solitaire-go-ppl [07:23] you will be able to log in by tomorrow [07:23] hornbeck: ok [07:23] I have to run [07:23] later guys [07:23] as we are porting ubuntu in our local public administration... [07:24] are you interested in this how-tos... [07:24] ? [07:24] the only difference between normal how-tos.. is that every mouse-movement is specified [07:24] cenerentola: Sounds interesting. What kind of howtos are those really? Introductions for migrations from Windows? [07:24] both [07:25] sorry but mummy is calling for dinner.. and she gets crossed easily at dinner-time... will i find you in 20 min? [07:26] cenerentola: Sure. Bon appetit. [07:26] grazie [07:26] im itaian... not french...;) [07:26] cenerentola: I'm none of both. :) [07:37] ChrisH try to login now [07:37] k [07:37] same story [07:38] ... [07:38] try again [07:41] nope [07:41] hmmm [07:41] what ip are you coming from [07:41] I need to add you to my hosts.allow [07:42] crish: ill come back later.. [07:42] hornbeck: 212.12.58.130 [07:43] ChrisH: ok, now try [07:43] maybe that was it [07:43] night all :o) [07:43] night lulu [07:43] hornbeck: sorry :( [07:43] damn [07:43] hornbeck: But it sounds a little like hosts.allow. === lulu [~lu@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [07:44] well one last try [07:47] hornbeck: :( [07:47] damn [07:47] I guess I will have to do some more research [07:47] ok, sorry about that [07:48] It's a little hard to help from the remote... :( [07:48] yeah, I know [07:48] once I figure out the ssh stuff the rest will be easy [07:49] Probably. [07:50] Wow... mirroring the archive takes ages. [07:53] ?? ???? [07:53] hi guys [07:54] hey plovs [07:54] hornbeck, how are things on the server front? === WW [~wweckesse@67-138-154-142.dsl1.nor.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:55] hi ww [07:55] The server does not like us. [07:55] Hey there [07:55] did you nmap? [07:55] I get a port 22 connection but get thrown out later. Sounds like hosts.allow/hosts.deny. [07:56] I have sshd: ALL in hosts.allow [07:56] Dumb question... the program that runs when I click on the life preserver icon is yelp, right? [07:56]