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Slackmankde available in PPC yet?12:00
bigtonythat worked12:00
bigtonythanks12:00
lemsx1bigt, pkill -9 xine it's better :-)12:00
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Skifbob2: if this is fixed in dri-upstream, I can try to drop it in and see what happens12:00
bigtonywhat does the 9 do?12:00
borgmeisterdoes anybody know the command for restarting the enlightenment sound daemon?12:00
lemsx1bigtony, murders the app12:00
ograbigtony: tels it to quit in any case12:00
ogra+l12:00
bigtonygood deal thanks12:00
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bob2Slackman: yes12:01
bob2Slackman: it has been for weeks12:01
Slackmanbob2 erm. i get unresolved deps12:01
Slackmani am running warty12:01
bigtonyoh one thing while i'm at it12:01
bob2Slackman: in warty?12:01
magnetocan i remove the contents of /var/cache/archives without hurting anything12:01
bigtonyi know you can hit control alt f2 to go to shell12:01
bigtonyif it locks up12:01
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bob2magneto: man apt-get, look at "clean" and "autoclean"12:01
bigtonyhow do you restart? other than the obvious reset button12:02
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magnetobob2: kool12:02
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Slackmanbob2 yeh running warty...and i just upgraded everything today to make sure12:02
bigtonyits control alt f?12:02
Slackmanwhat am i doing wrong?12:02
ograbigt: control-alt-del in the console12:02
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bigtonyoh ok12:02
bigtonythought it was something different12:02
theweb|sleepingHey all, is there someone who is using mason?12:02
bigtonythanks for the help12:02
LinuxJonesbigtony, you probably don't have to re-boot unless your dual booting :)12:02
bigtonyone day i might know how to spell my name :)12:03
bigtonyyeah i was just trying to learn the commands is all thanks12:03
MoisesChi there12:03
MoisesCsomeone with hoary?12:03
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HrdwrBoByo12:03
Dragohmmm....12:03
kensaiMoisesC: 60% of all12:04
Dragoshould I have a /dev/usb?12:04
MoisesCafter the last update, my nautilus runs slooowly :/12:04
HrdwrBoBMoisesC: install gamin12:04
MoisesCok12:04
MoisesCthanks12:04
DragoI'm trying to get my scanner working with sane.12:04
ograDrago: nope....i got none12:04
kensaiMoisesC: upgrade the ubuntu-desktop it will install gamin and remove something that is not needed12:05
Dragocan anyone help12:05
billytwowillyhow do the debian init levels work again? 3-5 are the same, 2 is no X, 1 is single user, 6 is reboot 0 is off?12:05
Dragoit's a scanner supported by sane12:05
MoisesCoh ok12:05
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ben_is there a way to make gkrellm go to the system tray, i hate it taking up space on the taskbar12:05
ograDrago: type: groups12:05
bob2billytwowilly: no, 2-5 is the same, 1 is single-user, 6 is reboot12:05
MoisesCi removed it by the totem-xine stuff12:05
ograDrago: is scanner in the list ?12:05
Dragoyes12:05
Dragoit's ausb scanner12:05
ograk12:05
billytwowillybob2, how do I get to an init level with no X?12:05
MoisesC(excuse my english)12:06
bob2billytwowilly: make one12:06
ograDrago: model ?12:06
bob2billytwowilly: rm /etc/rc3.d/*gdm12:06
DragoMicrotek Slimscan C612:06
billytwowillydo that for /etc/rc2.d/ if I want it to be init 2 right?12:06
bob2yes12:06
ograDrago: is it shown in the device manager ?12:06
Dragoyes12:06
Dragoit works when I boot off my live cd of knoppix12:06
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Dragojust not in ubuntu12:07
ben_anyone?12:07
cugaHey for some reason i can't have files bigger then 2GB , anybody know why?12:07
ograDrago: what happens?12:07
Dragohmm?12:07
bob2ben_: I'm almost certain you can't12:07
ograDrago: if you startxsane12:07
bob2cuga: it depends what program you're using12:07
Dragoit says no scanner found12:07
ograDrago: are you on ppc ?12:07
ben_bob2, booo, lol. you can't minimize programs to the tray?12:08
cugabob2: it was a download from firefox that I let go over night, was supposed to be 2.5GB but it cut off at exacly 2GB12:08
Dragoit shows up as Phantom C6 in device manager.12:08
Dragono I'm on a AMD12:08
ograDrago: 64?12:08
DragoXP12:08
magnetoben: try gdesklets12:08
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usualhmmm12:08
usualwonder why Xorg is being updated again12:08
cugabob2: does it make sense that firefox cut it off?12:09
Keybukusual: bugs, bugs and more bugs12:09
Dragomy proc is a AMD 1700 XP12:09
Keybukdid I mention THE BUGS?12:09
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ograDrago: what says: sane-find-scanner12:09
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Desolatebleh12:10
magnetobob2: thanks wasnt sure how package data was kept in apt-get12:10
Dragono usb scanners found'12:10
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Desolatewell, I've burned the .iso onto a cd, put it in the drive, and changed the boot options12:10
Desolateyet I still get an error12:10
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ograDrago: what says: sudo sane-find-scanner12:10
Dragothe exact same thing12:11
bob2ben_: there is no "tray" in gnome12:11
bob2ben_: there's a "notification area", and no you can't minimize random programs to it12:11
bob2cuga: I'd have thought firefox would support large files12:11
ben_aw12:11
Keybukbob2: everyone calls it the "tray" :)12:11
bob2cuga: you could use wget -c on it12:11
ben_there should be a tray :p12:11
bob2heh, true12:12
Keybukbob2: even the API is eggtrayicon :p12:12
bob2hahaha12:12
Keybukbut no, you can't minimize to it because that would be "stupid"12:12
cugabob2: yeah i just read up on it, it is firefox's problem :( night of downloading down the crapper12:12
Keybukwhat's wrong with the usual minimisation?12:12
Dragosomeone said before it may be fasely busy.12:13
Dragocould that be true?12:13
Dragoif it is I wouldn't have a clue how to fix it.12:13
ograDrago: replug it12:13
Dragodid that about 50 times12:13
bob2cuga: you can use wget to resume it12:14
Dragodifferent ports12:14
Dragoturned it off then on12:14
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ograDrago: i think filing a bug would be best here....12:15
Dragowith who?12:15
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ograDrago: bugzilla.ubuntu.com12:16
ben_is there an arial equivilant in open office12:17
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usualgmail is a big lie12:17
usualpop support my ass12:17
ben_usual: u are stupid, they said that they are phasing it in12:17
ograDrago: package xsane12:18
ben_before you dis a great service, look around for a few minutes ;)12:18
usualben_, I wouldn't say I am stupid12:18
ben_usual: fine, misinformed/ignorant :p12:18
ben_j/k, lol12:18
usualben_, misinformed12:18
will_why is it so bad?12:18
usualI was just told about it and given the help link12:19
usualno info12:19
ben_it was on slashdot12:19
usualoh12:19
usualthis is what I got12:19
usualhttp://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13273&query=pop&topic=0&type=f12:19
ben_anyways12:20
ben_is there an arial-type font in OpenOffice?12:20
Dragodamn...12:20
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DragoI want to scan...12:20
ben_anyone?12:21
fgacan anyone help troubleshooting software suspend ?12:21
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bob2ben_: you can get arial12:21
bob2fga: ask on the list and use a subject interesting enough to draw in matthew ;-)12:22
ograDrago: sorry no idea.... you scanner is detected, xsane is working ..... its no permission problem as sudo changes nothing.....12:22
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DragoI don't know if this is useful but... I use vmware. and when I try to get the scanner to be used in vmware it says it "specified device seems to be claimed by another driver (microtekX6) on host operating system)(ubuntu)12:23
fgabob2: i'll try this... hope i didn't just do something wrong :)12:23
Dragoit's like something is using it12:24
Dragobut not telling me.12:24
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bob2Drago: you're running all this inside vmware?12:24
Dragono12:24
DragoI run VMware in Ubuntu12:24
DragoI was gonna see if I could get it to work under vmware12:25
Dragobut vmware can't take control of the USB because it says something else has it claimed.12:25
DragoI run windows in vmware12:25
Ruffian|JANE|Ubuntu controlls you!12:26
Ruffian|JANE|im gonna make a background that says that12:27
Dragomy main OS is Ubuntu I have VMware installed running windows 2003 server12:27
|trey|Drago:  you have w2k3 server as a guest OS? that doesn't seem smart  :o12:28
Drago|trey|: it's fun.12:28
DragoI also have windows xp installed too.12:28
ograDrago: do you ahve added any kernel options (noacpi/noapic etc )?12:28
Dragoummm I have the default kernel.12:29
|trey|Drago:  I have to get around to installing w2k3 server, seems decent, but on my hardware its gonna be a pain :(12:29
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|trey|Drago:  XP sucks imo  :(12:29
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ben_bob2, where do i get arial, and what folder should it go in?12:29
Drago|trey| yes it does, 2k3 is nice12:29
bob2ben_: corefonts.sf.net12:30
bob2ben_: ~/.fonts/12:30
bob2which I assume OO uses12:30
Dragoogra, how do I find out.12:30
|trey|Drago:  yes, want to learn some more about it   :)12:30
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ograDrago: if you didnt add it....its not there12:30
|trey|Spent all of like a couple weeks with it, thats not enough time to know it  :(12:30
Dragosomeone said something about hotplug causing the problem12:31
seek187Is there any way to upgrade gaim? there isn't any software repos for this  type of thing?12:31
ograDrago: nope, hotplug loads the module....12:31
DragoI mean hotplug crashed once and made me like not be able to use my usb till it turned off the computer and powersupply.12:31
|trey|seek187:  umm... I'm @ 1.0.2 ... this isn't in warty?12:31
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Lowryhi all12:32
ograDrago: its obviously there, you can see the scanner in the dev manager12:32
Dragoyeah12:32
seek187|trey| Mine is only 1.0.012:32
ograDrago: on which event crashed your hotplug ?12:32
ograDrago: did you plug in anything?12:33
|trey|seek187:  add warty-updates to your sources.list12:33
seek187ok12:33
Rotundyup.  GAIM is only 1.0.0 in warty12:33
Dragoit was booting up12:33
Dragoit got to hotplug loading12:34
Dragoand then it just stopped12:34
DragoI waited 15 min12:34
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Dragoit still didn't move12:34
ograDrago: hmm....12:34
Dragoso I restarted12:34
seek187|trey|, in which line in my sources.list?12:34
LowryAny ppc users with hoary?12:34
Dragonothing in my usb worked12:34
Dragowhich at the time had my KB and Mouse plugged in to12:34
|trey|seek187:  umm, anywere... its like 'warty' or 'warty-security'...12:34
Dragothe bios couldn't even find them12:35
seek187ohh ok12:35
seek187thx12:35
ograDrago: do you use a hub ?12:35
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Dragoyes12:35
LowryWhen I select lcd in fonts- text forms a thin blue edge around it12:35
ograDrago: could you trythe scanner without ?12:36
Dragocord won't reach12:36
DragoI'd need about another 7 feet or wire.12:37
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stuNNed_what samba packages does network-admin use to connect to windows shares?12:37
|trey|stuNNed:  smbclient12:37
ograDrago: the symptoms look like your hub is your problem12:37
Dragohmmm12:37
Rotundgaim is still at 1.0.0 in the updates12:37
Dragoif that was true, why when I load knoppix off the CD does my scanner work.12:37
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ograDrago: hmm, how many meters of usb wire do you have attached?12:38
|trey|Rotund: hmm.. ok.. that sucks for warty users  8)12:38
Rotund|trey|: which are you using?12:38
Rotundyou doing hoary?12:38
Dragoogra: the 4 foot wire to the scanner from the hub12:38
grapeogra: i had the same problem the other night when I installed warty for a friend12:38
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|trey|Rotund: yes.12:38
Dragothe 3 foot wire from the hub to the computer12:38
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HrdwrBoB|trey|: it's unlikely to break12:39
HrdwrBoB|trey|: eg: gamin, etc12:39
grapeusb registered in when I tailed messages, but just that it existed12:39
Rotund|trey|: is it pretty stable (usable)12:39
ograDrago grape: one of you should file a bug....really.....12:39
stuNNed_|trey|, and smbclient doesn't need samba installed to work, is this right?12:39
|trey|HrdwrBoB: I've had no gamin or xorg probs so far  :/12:39
HrdwrBoB|trey|: I know, but if you need a machine to work12:39
Dragogrape, did you get it to work?12:39
HrdwrBoBanbd it already does what you need12:39
HrdwrBoBwhy screw with it?12:39
Dragothat link won't load.12:39
grapewell, I have got to get it resolved tonight - usb stuff works fine on my thinkpad, but not an i810.... which is juat wacky12:40
|trey|stuNNed: yes...12:40
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ograhttps://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/12:40
|trey|HrdwrBoB: I've used Sid in an enterprise environment with little problems...12:40
grapewill do :-)12:40
seek187Hmmm there is no warty-updates Error 40412:40
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Rotundwhat is in the multiverse that isn't in the universe?12:40
HrdwrBoB|trey|: yes, we use it here as well, but the point is, when you NEED it to work12:41
Dragohmmm is there anyway to scan my usb ports through terminal?12:41
chibifso_o12:41
HrdwrBoBand you don't want to change12:41
HrdwrBoBeg: you run warty12:41
|trey|Rotund: flash plugins, mplayer etc...12:41
HrdwrBoBthen when you need a new package12:41
ograDrago lsusb12:41
chibifsGah. BitchX is evil. ;_;12:41
ben_can i just copy over a whole bunch of windows true type fonts? will that work?12:41
HrdwrBoB.. you just install it12:41
grapeogra, can you tell me if sda1 would pop up on the desktop by default, or would I have had to configure that?12:41
HrdwrBoByou don't need to update your syttem12:41
ben_i have a windows box downstairs12:41
HrdwrBoBchibifs: use irssi12:41
Xenguychibifs: yes it is - kill it now! :-)12:41
|trey|HrdwrBoB: You're a pretty lousy sys admin if you don't plan for upgrades :/12:41
chibifsIs it anything like xchat? I'm building a console only machine. :/12:41
ogragrape: it should appear by default..... but sometimes the fam process doesnt rcognize.....12:42
Dragohmmm Bus 002 Device 024: ID 05da:009a Microtek International, Inc. Phantom C6 there it is... is there anyway yo link that to /dev/usbscannerxxx like sane looks for?12:42
HrdwrBoB|trey|: um.. no, but say one day you're doing some troublshooting and you need an app that's not installed12:42
HrdwrBoBif you are tracking an unstable version12:42
grapeogra: ok cool, thanks :-)12:42
|trey|HrdwrBoB: the BEST thing about apt is that you can easily upgrade a running system with little problems...12:42
Xenguychibifs: irrsi is good12:42
HrdwrBoByou may have to upgrade core system libraries12:42
HrdwrBoBwhich MAY break things12:42
HrdwrBoBand I don't want to break things on a production server for stupid reasons12:42
ogragrape: so its mounted, but not shown,....12:42
Dragowait... I think I found something out...12:42
Dragookay12:43
DragoI have libusb installed.12:43
|trey|HrdwrBoB: I guess... but then, enless you are paying for Warty support, you are owed no support anyways...12:43
Dragobut I just noticed sane-find-scanner is saying libusb not availible.12:43
ograDrago: you have anything sane needs to work by default installed :)12:43
HrdwrBoB|trey|: that's not the point, the point is, it works12:43
DragoI have all the sane and dependencies installed12:43
Dragolibusb is the most current.12:43
HrdwrBoBthen you PLAN your upgrade to the latest stable after however long12:44
|trey|HrdwrBoB: that IS my point though... and hoary works...  :/12:44
HrdwrBoBand you migrate to that12:44
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Dragoso why is sane not finding it.12:44
Dragohmmmm12:44
HrdwrBoB|trey|: yes hoary works, but it a) constantly changes12:44
ChibiHm :/12:44
HrdwrBoBand b) *MIGHT* not work12:44
bob2Ruffian|JANE|: please turn that off12:44
HrdwrBoBI'm not willing to stake my job12:44
ograDrago: you did install something extra ?12:44
HrdwrBoBon the constant workingness of unstable packages12:44
|trey|HrdwrBoB: ok...12:45
Rotundgrrr.  I want gstreamer-ffmpeg12:45
HrdwrBoBon my desktop, it's ok, if I break it, I can fix it, and no-one else is disadvantaged12:45
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Dragoonly thing I installed was vmware.12:45
Dragohmmm perhaps I should try building libusb?12:45
HrdwrBoBor on a test server, whatever12:45
ograDrago: no12:46
|trey|HrdwrBoB: just for the record... I recently installed 30 or so Ubuntu Hoary boxes on my campus, why? Because the teacher insisted on xorg...12:46
Dragoogra: why not?12:46
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kensaiwhat does composite really do in xorg?12:47
Dragohmmm is there a libusb package on the ubuntu servers?12:47
Slackmankensai...slows it down :P12:47
|trey|kensai: hardware acceleration...12:47
bob2slow things down a lot12:47
bob2hah12:47
ograDrago: my scanner works, as a lot of others do too, lets find the problem ....12:47
bob2|trey|: no, it does not12:47
HrdwrBoB|trey|: yeah but they are end user systems12:47
HrdwrBoBone person per machine?12:47
|trey|bob2: umm... thats its purpose...12:47
HrdwrBoBalso, unchanging environment12:48
|trey|HrdwrBoB: yes...12:48
HrdwrBoByou can test upgrades on one machine12:48
ograDrago: and not break your install....12:48
HrdwrBoBthat is the point12:48
kensai|trey|, Slackman, which one is corect?12:48
bob2|trey|: no, the composite extension does not do " hardware acceleration"12:48
Slackman|trey| er..its purpose is to render off screen..12:48
bob2it's purpose is off-screen composition12:48
Slackmanthis can be used for opengl later to make it faster12:48
Slackmanbut at the moment12:48
Slackmanits software12:48
Slackmanand slow as shit12:48
kensaiSlackman, I don't see any difference not even slow things down12:48
HrdwrBoBSlackman: nvidia drivers accelerate it12:48
Slackmanbut it will, in future allow for a flickerless x12:48
HrdwrBoBit's still slow12:48
|trey|ok.. I don't get why so many people care then?12:48
HrdwrBoB|trey|: pretty shadows!12:49
bob2|trey|: they want pointless transparent stuff12:49
sjoerdkensai: you probably use something like xcompmgr then12:49
HrdwrBoBTRULY transparent backgrounds12:49
Slackmankensai: it depends, nvidia cards work well12:49
ograDrago: install libsane-extras12:49
|trey|I was under the impression from peoples comments that it did indeed use your graphics card etc... else it seems pointless  :/12:49
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HrdwrBoB|trey|: if you have an nvidia card, are using the nvidia drivers, and enable it in the config, it does12:49
SlackmanHrdwrBoB yeh true, nvidia does accel it, but its not really any faster12:49
HrdwrBoBand it WILL in other cards.. later12:49
HrdwrBoBSlackman: it's an order of magnitude faster12:50
Slackmanit will be faster when they fix it more12:50
kensaisjoerd: I dont have that12:50
Slackmanits pretty much the same on my system12:50
|trey|HrdwrBoB: thats kinda what I had gathered... makes a lot more sense...12:50
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mjrthe point is that the composite manager can render the windows any way it seems fit, so that should include any hw-accelerated ways too; just a matter of coding12:50
Dragoinstalled.12:50
kensaiSlackman: I am usnig Nvidia12:50
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sjoerdkensai: then there is no difference, because your not really using it12:50
|trey|Making the GUI prettier, but slower is not useful...12:50
grapeogra and Drago: I am going to grab a shower and head off to my friend's house - will file the bug report on the usb from there if need be. I'd rather have the system in front of me before I go and make assumptions...12:51
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Slackmankensai, just give it a go and see how it goes..its flickerless, for me its about the same, but on anything other than nvidia its horribly slow12:51
kensaisjoerd: how I install it?12:51
grapecatch you guys in an hour or so12:51
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ograDrago: retry sane12:51
Slackmankensai, google for it, you dont need ot install it, just enable it12:51
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Dragoogra: still says "libusb not available" in the sane-find-scanner12:51
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ograDrago: retry sane12:51
Dragoreinstalled it's the same12:51
Dragoalso reinstalled libusb too.12:52
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Dragosame outcome.12:52
grapeDrago: "fix broken packages" or "ldconfig" maybe? just thinking of things I didn't do ;-)12:52
|trey|'fix broken packages' = apt-get -f install?12:53
ogragrape: not on a default install with nothing tweaked.....except.....12:53
ograDrago: please stop vmware and make sure the vmware modules are unloaded12:53
Dragojust a FYI: it didn't work before vmware was installed.12:53
ogralol12:54
ograk12:54
grape|trey|: fix broken packages in synaptics..12:54
DragoI did that.12:54
Dragonothings broken12:54
|trey|grape: umm, I gathered that, just seeing what it actually does...12:54
grapethat's what they all say ;-)12:54
grapehehe12:54
grapelol oh ok12:54
grapeit just "fixes" things ;-)12:54
cugathe header files for my running kernel should be in my /lib/modules/kernerversion right?12:54
|trey|grape: so does -f for apt-get...12:55
Dragoit just looks like sane does not want to find libusb12:55
ograDrago: and you did not install sane or anything extra except libsane-extras ?12:55
seek187hmmm no gaim in warty-updates either :(12:56
Dragoumm hmm I installed a few extra packages from synaptic.12:56
ograDrago: do a search for sane in synaptic12:57
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ograDrago: uninstall all packages without a logo in the found packages.....12:57
Dragookay12:58
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ben_wtf12:59
ben_wtf12:59
ben_wtf12:59
seek187?12:59
ben_unbuntu crashed on me12:59
ben_the whole thing12:59
ben_mouse would move but nothing responded12:59
Dragoremoved.12:59
ben_not cool12:59
Dragostill the same.12:59
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Dragowell the ones found with sane12:59
ben_i switched to linux so it would be more stable than windows 98, not so it would crash >:(01:00
bob2you're running warty?01:00
ben_how can i look at the sys log to see why it crashed?01:00
ben_bob2: yeah01:00
Dragono change01:00
bob2 /var/log/syslog01:00
ograDrago: replugged ?01:00
Dragoyep01:01
Dragoscan-find-scanner still says libusb not found01:01
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Dragoerr availible01:01
ograDrago: you uninstalled the packages like i told you??01:02
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Dragoyes I uninstalled all sane packages with out the ubuntu logo next to them01:02
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ograDrago: funnyly you just installed sane-find-scanner  ...... why is it there ?01:03
ograuninstalled01:03
Dragosane-find-scanner is part of sane01:04
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fgai built a custom kernel and would need to manually add some modules to the initrd file... how can i mount it in read/write mode ?01:04
ben_what does a crash look like in the logs?01:04
ograDrago: and sane has a logo in front ?01:04
Dragoit's needed for sane to run.01:04
ograDrago: nope01:04
ograDrago: xsane has the logo01:04
Agrajag-does the ubuntu installer happen to come with a tool for resizing parititions?01:05
ograDrago: not sane01:05
HrdwrBoBAgrajag-: yes01:05
Agrajag-HrdwrBoB: ta01:05
DragoI only have xsane xsane-common libsane pyton2.3-imaging-sane and python-imaging-sane installed01:06
Dragoone of those packages have to have sane-find-scanner in it then01:06
nixmanis there a howto on playing all media files with mplayer ? right now i got mozplugger and it defaults to using realplayer for certain things01:07
ben_"Nov 10 18:51:20 localhost kernel: hermes @ IO 0x100: Error -16 issuing command."01:07
ben_did that crash it?01:07
ben_if so, uh, what's that mean?01:08
ograDrago: copy n paste: dpkg -S `which sane-find-scanner`01:08
ben_it repeats that error a couple times01:08
ben_"Nov 10 18:51:19 localhost kernel: hermes @ IO 0x100: Timeout waiting for command completion.01:09
ben_Nov 10 18:51:19 localhost kernel: hermes @ IO 0x100: Error -16 issuing command."01:09
ben_anyone?01:09
ben_c'mon, warty crashed, isn't that important :p01:09
HrdwrBoBben_: it's broken01:09
Dragodpkg: /usr/local/bin/sane-find-scanner not found.01:09
ben_HrdwrBoB, what's broken?01:09
Dragoit still runs when I type it.01:10
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ograDrago: uninstall whatever you compiled yourself for the scanner01:10
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ben_anyone?01:11
Zugwrackogra: How do I upgrade from Warty to Hoary?01:11
Dragoand how would I do that.01:11
ZugwrackHi ben_:01:11
ben_hi :)01:11
ben_lol01:11
ben_warty crashed, but no one will explain why :(01:12
ben_scroll up01:12
ograDrago: make uninstall in the source tree....if this isnt implemented....no idea01:12
kapputuhi all01:12
ograZugwrack: sure you want to do this ?01:12
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LinuxJonesben, a search on google reveals that's a network card problem01:12
Dragothere.01:12
Zugwrackogra: No..but I still have the PPC cd if I need to reinstall...I have /dev/hdb just for linux ;->))01:13
ben_LinuxJones, and that can crash the whole system?01:13
JDahlben_, rest assured - if I knew why your machine crashed I would tell you. I am not at all like the other secretive bastards in here01:13
Dragoogra: done01:13
LinuxJonesben, I don't think that's you problem no01:13
JDahlthey all know - but they're not telling you :S01:13
ograDrago: type sane-find-scanner01:13
ben_the network card was working fine though, i even took it out and put it back in to try and unfreeze it and the wireless network applet detected it01:13
Dragoit's not there.01:13
LinuxJonesben, but stranger things have been known to happen :D01:13
kapputuwhat's been happening with ubuntu ?01:13
ograDrago: great01:13
kapputuhaven't followed in a while01:13
ograDrago: xsane01:13
Dragostill can't find it.01:14
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seek187Is Hoary broken really bad? im thinking of upgrading to it01:14
Dragomy friend sam was tryingt o figure it out yesterday he must of compiled it.01:14
ograDrago: what else did you compile??01:14
HrdwrBoBDrago: must have compiled it01:14
HrdwrBoBnot of01:14
ograHrdwrBoB: his friend.....argh01:15
Dragoonly thing 'I' compiled was vmware.01:15
Dragowell installed01:15
kapputuogra, how r u01:15
ograDrago: you dont need to compile anything in ubuntu.....if it doesnt work its a bug.... report it  and it will be fixed01:16
ben_brb01:16
ZugwrackOk is there a Hoary PPC cd for download?01:16
ograZugwrack: no need for this ;)01:16
Dragothere is stuff you need to compile in ubuntu simply because of the fact that it is not part of ubuntu01:16
Dragolike vmware01:16
seek187can I just put hoary in my sources list in place and warty and upgrade that way?01:16
Zugwrackogra: So how to do it?01:16
ograZugwrack: if you want to upgrade just change warty to hoary insynaptic.....01:17
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ograZugwrack: and do a smart upgrade (mark all upgrades)01:18
ZugwrackAhhh..just change the line that says Warty to Hoary...wow that was too hard...duh...then synaptic will take over and upgrade?(after apply?)01:18
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ograZugwrack: leave out security......01:18
ZugwrackOk01:18
kapputuhey ogra, do you know when the CDs were shipped?\01:18
Dragothats the only thing I made01:18
Zugwrackuniverse, multiverse, etc?01:18
Dragothere is no other source code on my computer besides vmware01:19
ograkapputu: look at shipit.ubuntu.com01:19
kapputudo they give you the dates when they were shipped ?01:19
ograZugwrack: yep01:19
Dragoand sane-backend which I asked and sam compiled trying ot get it to work.01:19
ograkapputu: yep01:19
Dragobut that is not uninstalled.01:19
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Zugwrackogra: I was asking earlier about when I open terminal...that I always have to resize it...I haven't been able to figure out how to tell the terminal to save the size I have re-sized to?01:20
ograDrago: look in /usr/local...there should be noting in /lib or /bin ....01:20
kappututhey were sent the day before01:20
kapputuhow long does it take to reach?01:20
ograZugwrack: me neither ;)01:20
ograZugwrack: but its a often requested thing i notice....01:21
ben_firefox 1.0 is so much better than what warty comes with01:21
Dragonothing there.01:21
Zugwrackogra: Another terminal might allow this? or is it related to gnome desktop itself?01:22
Zugwrackben_: So you got it upgraded eh?01:22
kapputuhmm is there a way to install firefox 1.0 on top of ubuntu's ?01:22
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ZugwrackHow do I disable pbbuttonsd?01:24
ZugwrackWhat is the script name used to load extras at the end of bootstrap?01:25
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Dragoogra: still doesn't change the fact that xsane doesn't find my scanner.01:25
Parientecan some one tell me how to configure a motorola cable model in ubuntu 4.10??????01:25
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Parientesurpricingly the eth0 didnt work now matter what i do01:26
HoodsterHI All. I have a question about mounting nfs. I want to be able to browse a nfs machine on my local network. I try to do a mount command but I get a permission denied, which I don't understand because I can browse the nfs server from a different machine running (KDE). Any suggestion?01:26
RageMaxthe clock applet and evolution is broken in hoary right now01:26
RageMaxjust a note to anyone who hasn't upgraded yet01:26
LowryI am sharing internet from my G4 to my powerbook - what a a good way to copy a file from my hoary powerbook to the g4?01:26
Zugwrackhoodster: you have hosts and hosts.allow setup on box machines?01:26
ZugwrackLowry: smb://<g4 name or ip> it should ask for username password...01:27
HoodsterZugwrack: Not sure. How do I find out? On the NFS server I am running NFS-Lite, which is very basic and should not restrict users from accessing it.01:27
ZugwrackHoodster: First off you need some basic things done on both machines...I assume both are *nix?01:28
Lowrythx01:28
ZugwrackLowry: NP01:28
Lowryos x01:28
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kapputuhmm, when I do a About firefox, it shows it as version 0.9301:28
kapputucan someone verify ?01:28
LowryI was using a flash drive01:29
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LowryBut it was change to read only01:29
HoodsterZugwrack: What are these basic things? The NFS server should be setup already.01:29
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stuNNed_man01:29
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stuNNed_Ubuntu just works :D01:29
ZugwrackHoodster: What operating systems are you running first off...even M$ has a hosts file01:30
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ben_if i just paste a .ttf file in the fonts folder, will it show up in open office?01:30
kapputustuNNed, I can see you still are ...01:30
HoodsterZugwrack: I apologize for not specifying. The NFS server is running NFS-Lite, which is linux, and the client is running Ubuntu Warty 4.1001:30
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Dragoogra, anyclue what else may be causing it?01:31
jdubHoodster: see /etc/default/portmap01:31
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kapputufirefox 1.0 kicks ass !!01:32
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ZugwrackHoodster: Ok then you will need to have at least setup a username the same on both boxes..then edit hosts and hosts.allow to make sure you can map using the hostname, or ip(this will let each of them know about the other)01:32
Hoodsterjdub: I edited /etc/default/portmap and commented out the only entry. I did not reboot after I did that.01:32
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jdubHoodster: /etc/init.d/portmap restart01:32
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kensaiOh I never knew how great xfce was01:33
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kensaiit is by far the best lightweight desktop IMHO01:33
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ben_anyone?01:33
ben_can i just paste a .ttf file into the fonts folder and open office will pick it up?01:33
stuNNed_in yours opinions  what do you think has the better ms office filters?  abiword/gnumeric or OOo?01:34
cypher-give it a try and find out01:34
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cypher-you can always safly remove it afterwards01:34
Hoodsterjdub: Thanks, I will try it.01:34
ben_cypher-, was that to me?01:34
cypher-yes01:34
ben_i can't seem to find where all the fonts are held though..01:34
ograDrago: could you try again: sudo xsane01:34
cypher-/usr/lib/X11/fonts/01:35
Dragonothing01:35
DragoI reinstalled the sane packages and it detects scanners...01:36
Drago3 of them01:36
ograDrago ARGH.....01:36
ograDrago why did you do this01:36
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valeriahi all01:36
Dragoit's the sane package.01:36
ograDrago its from universe and its not needed...01:36
valeriai have nvidia geforce 4 mx and i've installed nvidia drivers from ubuntu01:37
Dragofine. I uninstalled it.01:37
stuNNed_how do i turn off autocompletion in open office writer?01:37
ograDrago: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=330601:37
ograDrago: seems related01:37
valeriawhen i launch an application with 3d i got:  xlib: extension  "xfree86-dri" missing on display01:37
HoodsterZugwrack and jdub: I can connect to the nfs server by clicking on Computer | Network, Then click on File | Connect to server... I then select "Custom Location". I enter the IP address and a server name. An icon appears in the Network window and desktop and when I click on it, my browser launches and I can see the contents of the NFS-Lite fileserver, but I can't really interact with the files. There must be a different way to access it.01:38
valeriaany hint01:38
cypher-valeria, what graphics card do you have ?01:38
ben_what's the command to copy files?01:38
ograDrago: tryteh differentbootoptions mentioned there01:38
ograben_: cp01:39
valeriage force 4 mx48001:39
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cypher-ben_, cp01:39
ben_is there a way to copy files from the clipboard?01:39
Dragono see theres a difference between his and mine... xsane finds it. xsane doesn't even remotely says it finds a scanner.01:40
ograDrago: please try the bootoptions mentioned there01:41
cypher-valeria, the only thing i can think of is commenting out 'DRI' in /etc/X11/XF86Config-401:41
cypher-and then restarting x01:41
cypher-ben_, ctrl+c and ctrl+v will work if you have the permissions to move to the folder01:42
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valeriaok i try01:43
Mojo_JojoHi, how do I change the user/group permissions of a folder and its subdirectories?01:43
rouslanMojo_Jojo: read 'man chmod' and 'man chown'01:44
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Mojo_Jojook01:44
rouslani think recursive option is -R01:44
ogravaleria: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto01:44
Mojo_JojoI tired this sudo chown -R $USERS <folder> but it didnt work01:45
valeriagot same error even disabling it01:45
valeriaogra i used that howto01:45
ograMojo_Jojo: folder/*01:45
valeriamaybe i did some wrong01:45
valeriarecheck the url01:45
ogravaleria: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable01:46
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ben_grrr, didn't work01:46
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Mojo_Jojoohthis is correct right? sudo chown -R $USERS enemy-territory/*01:47
ograMojo_Jojo: if you wnatthe users takeover the enemy territory, yes01:48
ben_oh well01:48
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Mojo_Jojook, if thats right why this error chown: `enemy-territory/CHANGES': invalid user01:48
ograMojo_Jojo: sudo ?01:48
ograMojo_Jojo: oh.... no01:49
ograMojo_Jojo: not $USERS..... $USER01:49
despsudo chown -R $USER enemy-territory/01:49
despno star01:49
Mojo_Jojoyeah I uses sudo...???what??01:49
Mojo_Jojoahh ok01:49
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Mojo_Jojoah there we go it worked :D thanks :D01:49
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Dragoogra: none of those options would let me boot01:51
DragoI tried all 301:51
Dragonoapic, pci=noacpi & acpi=off01:51
jazzkaI need to configure ubuntu so I can connect remotelly with vnc01:51
valeriaogra the file seemed altered01:51
jazzkaany help?01:52
valeriaand i made the md5sum...01:52
despany ideas when Firefox 1.0 is gonna show up for warty>01:52
desp?01:52
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valeriathe Xf86config-4 had nvidia before01:52
valeriaas driver i mean01:52
jdubdesp: warty is released and frozen.01:52
ograDrago: a boot with each of them ?01:52
Mojo_Jojohas anyone have problems with games?? like enemy-territory01:53
Dragoyes01:53
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TemetHello every body01:53
kensaiis there a good wysiwyg creator in linux like frontpage?01:53
Dragoi got a error and it would fall back to grub01:53
Dragoand then I would try another01:53
Mojo_Jojokensai, nvu is ok01:53
Dragoand it would do the same thing01:53
Temetwhich soft do you use to burn cds under gnome ?01:54
Amaranthkensai: nvu or mozilla composer01:54
kensaiMojo_Jojo: thanks01:54
Mojo_Jojonp01:54
ograDrago: how did you add the options?01:54
kensaiAmaranth: is mozilla composer in apt?01:54
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AmaranthTemet: Sadly the best program I've found is for KDE, k3b.01:54
Dragogrub at boot.01:54
Amaranthkensai: It's a part of the mozilla suite.01:54
Desolatehiya, need some help connecting my linux pc to a windows wireless network01:54
Dragolike it said.01:54
TemetAmaranth , and it runs well with gnome ?01:55
DragoI edited the grub option01:55
rouslanTemet: cdrecord is console based but works01:55
ograDrago: in edit mode at the end of the kernel line01:55
AmaranthTemet: It looks totally out of place, but it runs fine.01:55
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Temetrouslan ... yeah, console ...01:55
Temetthanks Amaranth01:55
Dragoyeah let me try again01:55
kapputuDesolate: have you setup your wireless connection ?01:55
Dragomaybe I typed wrong01:56
Desolatethe network is running, yes01:56
ograTemet: you can use your filemanager (nautilus)01:56
Mojo_Jojohow come when I open enemy-territory I just get a black screen and if I move the mouse I see my desktop?01:56
Desolateas I'm currently on it (on an XP laptop)01:56
Dragolet me double check what I have written01:56
ograDrago: with a space.....01:56
kensaiAmaranth: nvu isn't in apt right?01:56
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Desolatebut I have no idea how to make the linux pc recognize that network01:56
Temethum ogra ... i don't like ;)01:56
Dragonoapic pci=noacpi and acpi=off01:56
kapputuDesolate: you need to set the workgroup of your machine to be the same name as the other windows machines01:56
ograTemet: oh, why.....01:56
Dragoare those all right?01:57
Temetogra : because ! LOL01:57
Desolatekapputu: I assume I need to enable windows networking in Network Settings first though, right?01:57
ograDrago: yep..... with a space at the end of the kernel line01:57
kapputuyeah01:57
Dragookay let me try that I don't think they had a space.01:57
kapputuwasn't sure which stage you were in01:57
ograDrag: start with acpi=off01:58
Desolatewell right now, ubuntu isn't even recognizing any wireless devices01:58
LowryIs the shares folder working in hoary ppc?  My password is rejected01:58
kapputuok01:58
kapputuwhat wireless card do you have ?01:58
Desolateit's not a card, it's an external wireless adapter01:59
kapputuoh01:59
jdubLowry: run 'sudo shares-admin' at the command line01:59
kapputuhmm I don't have much experience with that01:59
Desolatea microsoft one at that :p01:59
jdubLowry: that's new, hasn't had sudo integration01:59
kapputuyou might want to ask someone else, I'm sorry01:59
Desolatealright, np01:59
kapputualso try to stay away from Microsoft products in the future02:00
Desolateyeah, why do you think I'm installing linux? :p02:00
DesolateI've learned my lesson :)02:00
kapputugood02:00
kapputueveryone does !!02:00
kapputuI learnt mine three weeks back02:00
Lowrythx02:01
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kapputuhaven't gone back to windows ever since I installed ubuntu02:01
kapputuhmm actually I did once and got infected with a blaster worm02:01
kapputuso good reason not to go back at all02:01
jazzkawhat about vnc + ubuntu? there's nothing on the web02:01
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jdubjazzka: what are you looking for?02:02
ograjazzka: integrated already ;)02:03
jazzkajdub, I would like to connect to my ubuntu pc, from other linuxes and windows02:03
jazzkaogra, but how can I start the server?02:03
jdubjazzka: computer > desktop preferences > remote desktop02:03
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valeriaogra now it works thank you02:05
jdubogra: yes.02:05
ogravaleria: thanlk jdub02:05
ograjdub: ouch02:06
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ograjdub: should be blocked....02:06
wasabiUpgrading from evolution in Warty to Evolution in Hoary invalidates any panel launchers for it. (/usr/bin/evolution-2.0 -> /usr/bin/evolution).02:06
mat|workis there a graphical tool to manage runlevel services in ubuntu warty? I thought I could do it with gnome-system-tools but there is no services-admin02:07
jdubwasabi: only one is broken02:07
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jdubmat|work: no, it's not supported or included02:07
wasabito be or not to be?02:07
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Dragoogra, no luck02:08
mat|laptopjdub: and is this planned ? :)02:08
ograDrago: but you could boot now ?02:08
Dragoyeah02:08
ograDrago: did you try all three....02:08
Dragoyes02:08
jdubmat|laptop: ideally, we won't have the standard g-s-t services editor02:08
DragoI'm currently booted under pci=noacpi02:09
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ograDrago: so i'm really at the end now......if neither of them help, please file a bug, i dont know what else your friend did to your system....so i have no idea how to help02:10
Dragohe said he only installed sane-backend02:10
Dragobut it didn't work straight from a fresh install cause that was one of the things I tried to do first02:11
ograDarg: it should work out of the box, if it doesnt it is a bug and must get fixed....but now you tweaked your system.....02:11
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ograDrago: i dont know if he changed _any_ config ....created devices and so on ...... we could run this task for ages and wouldnt come to an end02:12
DragoI'm talking to him as we speak02:12
mat|laptopjdub: related question: is rcconf supported / will it work at all ?02:13
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ograDrago: make sure your system is in a state as it was after install, then file a bug please02:13
jdubmat|laptop: rcconf is in universe now, no one's proposed it for supported02:14
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bob2rcconf has some serious issues02:15
bob2sysv-rc-conf is the replacement in debian, iirc02:15
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mat|laptopah02:16
mat|laptopI haven' usedmk02:16
mat|laptoperr02:16
mat|laptopI haven't used debian for years :)02:16
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Desolatedoes anyone happen to have any experience with connecting a linux pc to a wireless windows network?02:19
hypa7iaDesolate: i'm on that setup right now02:20
Desolatealright, cool02:20
Desolatewell, I have a bit of a dillema02:20
hypa7iaerr, scratch that, minus the windows02:20
Desolateah :p02:20
hypa7iabut might still be able to help02:20
hypa7iawhat's the dilemma?02:20
Desolateok02:21
Desolatewell, I have a linksys router running the network02:21
Desolateand a (yes, I know, it's sad) microsoft wireless adapter (USB port)02:21
Desolatenow the problem is, that wireless adapter requires a certain software to be installed02:21
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Desolatebut being microsoft, there's no way that software can be installed on a linux plataform02:22
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Desolateergo, I'm mostly screwed :P02:22
hypa7iaDesolate: have you had a look at ndiswrapper?02:22
seek187Ahhh how to get fix nautilus from going slow in hoary?02:23
Desolatenot as far as I know02:23
Desolatewhat is it?02:23
jdubseek187: when you upgraded, did you install gamin?02:23
seek187dont know let me see02:23
seek187no just libgamin002:24
hypa7iaDesolate: it's a wrapper for windows drivers02:24
punkassinstall it..should fix the slow problem02:24
seek187ok02:24
Desolateand what exactly does that do?02:25
seek187brb02:25
punkassyou use it to load the windows inf file for your wireless card...02:26
Desolateah02:26
Desolateit's not a wireless card per se02:26
Desolatebut I guess it'll do02:26
punkassnope thats why hypa7ia called it a wrapper02:27
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punkassit can run quite a few different wireless cards02:27
seek187ahhh that's much better thanks!02:27
punkassyou just need the correct inf file02:27
Desolateand how do I know which one is the correct?02:27
punkassread.. :)02:27
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punkassi believe the ndiswrapper site has a list of cards it works with02:28
hypa7iaDesolate: is it a usb adapter, or an ethernet adapter?02:28
Desolateusb adapter02:28
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amathisis quake in apt-get?02:29
amathisand does it work?02:29
punkassquake2 is and not sure if it works02:29
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hypa7iaDesolate: gimme the model and i'll have a poke around for you :-)02:30
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ogranight02:30
punkasshttp://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/List02:30
punkassthat is the list of cards it works with02:30
Desolatehypa7ia: http://www.microsoft.com/products/info/product.aspx?view=22&pcid=6743a1c0-7f1c-4e73-ac65-25250ea0b14f&type=ovr02:31
Desolatepunkass: as I said, it's not a card...02:31
punkasswell they make refernce to chipsets aswell02:31
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grapeDrago: any luck with usb?02:32
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Dragogrape: nope.02:35
punkassDesolate: well from what i can see so far you need the linux-wlan-ng package02:37
Desolatehmm02:37
hypa7iaDesolate: give that a try, if it doesn't work maybe look at the linuxant driverloader02:37
hypa7iahttp://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/02:37
Desolategot an url handy for linux-wlan-ng?02:38
punkassits in apt-get02:38
punkassjust use synaptic to install02:38
punkasslooks like the mn-510 uses the prism2 chipset set and i believe that its pretty well supported02:39
Desolatehmm, can't find linux-wlan-ng in synaptic package manager02:40
punkassah you may need universe02:40
punkassyeah its in universe02:40
punkasshave to add that to your repository list02:40
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Desolatethat's gonna be hard without an internet connection :P02:41
punkassjust add universe after main restriced02:41
Desolateoh02:41
grapeoooh there is "badness" in this box!! eek!!02:41
punkasswell you are going to have to get it to your comp somehow02:41
punkasscan you not use a lan cable for now?02:42
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Desolatebelieve it or not, the pc doesn't have an ethernet port :P02:42
punkassdoh02:42
genblasphemy02:42
hypa7iathat's crazy :-p02:42
grapethat's badness02:42
Desolatelol, yeah02:42
grapehehe02:42
Desolateit's not even that old either02:43
hypa7iayeah, i tried installing ubu without a net connection.  it didn't work out.02:43
Desolatehas 4 years or so02:43
genmy p133 has a eth card02:43
hypa7iaDesolate: is buying a 10$ eth card an option? :-)02:43
Desolatemyeah, I guess02:43
punkasswell dont know what to tell ya..except for hya7ia suggestion02:43
Desolatebut even then, I'm nowhere near close to the router02:43
punkasswell you could get the deb off the web via this comp02:44
punkassstick it on a disk02:44
Desolateah02:44
punkassthen copy it over02:44
Desolatecould I connect the ubuntu pc to this laptop via an ethernet cable?02:44
Desolateor would that not work?02:44
punkassyou need a straight through lan cable i believe02:45
Desolatehmm02:45
punkassinstead of a crossover cable, which is normal (i think :)02:45
Desolatealright, well I'll try getting universe into this pc02:45
Desolateand transfering it02:45
punkassone sec02:45
Desolateis that possible?02:45
punkassoh are u running ubuntu on this laptop?02:45
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Desolateno02:45
punkassok one sec..ill fire you a link02:46
Desolatethanks02:46
seek187can the radeon drivers do opengl?02:46
punkasshttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux-wlan-ng/linux-wlan-ng_0.2.0-15_i386.deb02:47
cugaseek187: thats about all it can do ;)02:47
calcseek187: nope only directx02:47
cugalol02:47
seek187lol02:48
Desolategreat, thanks punkass02:48
seek187so could it play quake3?02:48
punkassnp02:48
genq3 is 20 yrs old02:48
zenwhenum02:48
mjg59seek187: Depends on the Radeon02:48
mjg59seek187: Newer Radeons need you to use the fgrlx drivers from ATI02:49
zenwhenWhat card are we talking about?02:49
mjg59They're included with Ubuntu, but less well tested than the free drivers02:49
seek187mjg59, ok thx02:49
seek187920002:49
zenwhenoh02:49
calcany card up to 9200 will work with the free drivers02:49
mjg599200 will work fine with the free drivers02:49
zenwhenfglrx then02:49
punkassDesolate: you need to have wireless tools installed too...might want to check that out02:49
seek187ok02:49
calc9500+ need fglrx02:49
seek187so 9200 will work?02:49
Desolategot a link? :)02:49
zenwheni thought it was 8500+02:49
mjg59Just install ubuntu and you ought to get openGL immediately02:49
mjg59zenwhen: No02:49
zenwhenOh02:49
punkassthat one should be on the install cd02:49
zenwhenWhy would you use the free drivers02:49
gen8500 brings bad memories to mind02:49
punkassor maybe already installed02:50
seek187yeah glxgears work fine02:50
zenwhenIf oyu wanted to play a game02:50
mjg59zenwhen: Because we have the source code to debug them02:50
zenwhenyou*02:50
calcthe 8500 i had hardware issues02:50
zenwhenWell02:50
calci returned it and got a 750002:50
seek187im just wanted to play ET02:50
gencalc: is my point02:50
zenwhenI know why the distro would use them02:50
Desolateok02:50
zenwhenI wonder why a user would use them.02:50
gen8500 had many many many issues upon arrival02:50
mjg59zenwhen: For laptops, this is going to be much more of an issue when we start supporting suspend/resume02:50
mjg59The fgrlx drivers are probably not going to work02:50
zenwhenOh02:50
calcgen: on mine the video had EMI issues, lots of pixel shake at high res, etc02:50
mjg59The ATI ones will, because we can fix them to02:50
Desolatenow, punkass, I've got linux-wlan-ng_0.2.0-15_i386.deb on the linux pc02:50
zenwhenOh02:50
Desolatewhat's next?02:50
Desolateit's just sitting on the desktop atm :P02:51
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zenwhenI hope oyu dont make it too hard to use the fglrx drivers02:51
punkasshave to run it from command line02:51
zenwhenbecause oyu will put off a lot of users02:51
punkassso open a terminal02:51
zenwhenyou*02:51
Desolateuhuh02:51
calci have a 9600 now but don't use 3d02:51
Desolateand then? :P02:51
zenwhenThats nice, but plenty of people do.02:51
punkassthen: sudo dpkg -i Desktop/yourfile.deb02:51
mjg59zenwhen: No, we won't make it hard02:52
zenwhenOh alright02:52
mjg59It just probably won't be the default, because it's harder for us to support02:52
zenwhenThats what I was wondering.02:52
punkassyourfile.deb of course = the wlan file02:52
nimccalc, u used radeon 7500 with ubuntu ?? i cannot get fglrx to work with it.....02:52
zenwhenI dont even have an ATi card anymore.02:52
zenwhenBut I set up a lot of folks on ubuntu with Radeons02:52
genim using a old geforce 2 gts right now heh02:52
zenwhenIts really a great OS for computer newbs02:52
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benwo02:53
mjg59nimc: Do they support the 7500?02:53
zenwhenfree yes02:53
zenwhennon-free no02:53
bengo into firefox, type about:config and turn off the ipv6 dns stuff02:53
benholy moley it makes things faster02:53
zenwhenoh02:53
zenwhenyeah02:53
zenwhenwhrere did you see thta tip02:53
encryptiothat's why my browsing was so slow...02:53
benon the boards02:53
zenwhenwhere*02:53
nimcmjg59, officially on ati it doesnt seem so, but ubuntu wiki imply that they do02:53
zenwhenYeah02:53
mjg59nimc: The fglrx drivers don't work with the 7500, as far as I know02:53
zenwhendid you get the tip from a screenshot?02:53
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mjg59nimc: The performance of the free drivers is about as good as you'll get on a Radeon that old02:54
benzenwhen, no...it's a topic on the boards, the post-installation how-to, i believe02:54
zenwhenOh02:54
zenwhenlol02:54
calcnimc: no i got rid of my 7500 a few years ago02:54
nimcmjg59, on windows the radeon 7500 with good drivers does pretty well...02:54
calcnimc: i have a 9600 in my desktop and laptop now02:54
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nimccalc ok02:54
encryptiowhoa, thx ben o_O02:55
mjg59nimc: The free drivers will be pretty good as well02:55
benwelcome ;)02:55
punkassben is it just the one setting?02:55
benpunkass, yeah02:55
punkasscool thanks02:55
nimci'd love to try ati binary drivers.... but it gets stuck on 'sudo modprobe fglrx' with device not found02:55
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encryptiojust filter for "ipv02:55
encryptio"02:55
benit's network.dns.disableIPv6 and set it to 'true02:55
ben'02:55
nimcmjg59, i'm using the free driver... i get like 200 fps in glxgears02:56
punkassyeah got it02:56
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mjg59nimc: Hrm. That's less than I'd expect. If you run glxinfo, does it say that it's using direct rendering?02:57
nimchmm it doesnt say anything, just give fps lines in the terminal02:57
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tolstoyaanyone else have troubles with the smp kernel for hoary?02:58
nimcit's on ibm a31p laptop, which is 2ghz pentium4 and radeon7800 (which has same cheap as 7500, perhaps clocked higher)02:59
nimcmjg59, how to get it to use direct rendering ?02:59
mjg59nimc: glxinfo, not glxgears02:59
nimcahh ooooops02:59
nimcdirect rendering: No03:00
mjg59Ah :)03:00
mjg59That would be why it's slow, then03:00
mjg59I'm afraid I'm just going to bed, so I can't track that down now03:00
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mjg592AM here...03:00
nimcoh :(03:00
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nimcok.... thanks03:01
Lowrylater03:01
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WXanyone here using a WMP54G PCI card for wireless?03:03
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tom_hello03:14
tom_is anyone actually here???03:15
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seek187?03:15
occyanyone here use KDE on Ubuntu?03:15
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HrdwrBoBoccy: you can do it03:16
tom_not me atm but i would love to get some kde games on it if nothing else03:16
HrdwrBoBbut it's not recommended03:16
jdubit's not discouraged...03:16
occyHrdwrBoB, heh03:16
occyYou can walk into that boobie trap, but I wouldn't recommend it.03:16
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=== occy missed the danged Gnome Elections, again.
occyheyaz Safari_Al03:17
occyI've been meaning to run for the Gnome Board for years.03:17
HrdwrBoBheh03:17
occypart of knowing how to make gnome better is always keeping an eye on what other desktops are doing :)03:18
occy:P03:18
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occyI'm guessing there aren't any meta packages for kde 3.3 then.03:19
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Safari_Aloccy, hi mate!03:20
occySafari_Al, ltns :)03:20
Safari_Aloccy, didn't expect to see you here.  How's it been going?03:20
occygoing great bubba03:21
Safari_AlFantastic.03:21
occySafari_Al, don't know if you know... but I'm training for a Marathon03:21
occyless than 90 days away03:21
occydid my first 17 mile run last Sunday :)03:21
occyhttp://occy.net/schedule2.html03:22
Safari_Aloccy, nice work.  Marathon is 40 miles, right?03:22
occy26.2 miles03:22
Safari_AlAh.  Probably 40km then.03:22
occy10k = 6.2 miles03:22
occytoo much math for me. :)03:22
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Safari_Aloccy, I used to be into middle/long-distance running,  not much beyond about 10km though.03:22
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occySafari_Al, ahh, right on.  10k's are super fun.03:23
occygreat distance.03:23
Safari_Aloccy, what sort average time per km are you doing atm?03:23
occyhmmm03:23
Safari_Aloh crap03:23
Safari_Althat will probably require maths :P03:23
occyyeah...03:23
occyhehe03:23
occyI can pull off an 8min/mile03:23
occybut need to keep it to around 10min/mile03:24
occyhehe03:24
Safari_Al8min mile.03:24
Safari_Alok03:24
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occysilly metric people.03:24
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occyI've done my mile in 6mins before03:25
occyheh03:25
occybut I can't hold that pace for very long.03:25
Safari_AlI went for my first run in about 4 years a couple of weeks ago03:25
Safari_Alaveraged a tad over 4min/km over about 6km03:25
occysweet03:25
Safari_Algot me pretty tired out :>03:25
occyI'm more about finishing the distances now than I am actually trying to race.03:26
Safari_Alyeah03:26
occyI'm also signed up for my first Ironman.03:26
Safari_AlIs that a swim & run?03:26
occy2.4 mile swim,  112 mile bike ride, 26.2 mile run03:26
occyin under 17hrs03:26
Safari_Alooh triathalon03:26
Safari_Albut03:26
Safari_Alwhat are these "miles" of which you speak?03:26
occyhehehe03:26
Safari_AlHow are you at swimming?03:27
occyhttp://fitgeek.org/03:27
occyPretty good...03:27
occyI'm up to a 2 mile swim so far03:27
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occynot one word on the kings measurement03:27
occy;)03:27
occyerr s/on/about/03:28
occylet's just put it this way....  it's a buttload of work.03:28
Safari_Alyeah no doubt about that.03:28
despany ideas why gvim refuses to remember the font/color scheme settings?03:28
occyyou are essentially(mortals) going straight at it for anywhere from 14hrs to 17hrs03:28
occy14hrs is an insane time.03:29
Safari_AlCertainly.03:29
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occyI'd be happy to make it in around 16hrs (well, as long as it's under 16hrs 59 mins and 59 seconds.03:29
occythe cut off is 17hrs03:29
Safari_Alah03:29
occyanyhoo... other than that, not doing too much03:29
occydesp, sorry, no clue there.03:30
Safari_Aloccy, where are you working atm?03:30
occyugh03:30
occyoh03:30
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occyWell, I've been sorta out of work still.03:30
occyheh03:30
Safari_AlToo bad.03:30
occyover 2 1/2 years now.03:30
occyI'm doing some contract stuff that is helping keep our head above water.  (that and living on savings)03:31
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occybut... need to find full-time employement soon.03:31
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amathisoccy~ how is ti ?03:31
marcdmHail to all03:31
occyAll I seem to be talented for these days though is building websites.03:31
Safari_Aloccy, come to .au.  we're looking for new linux system engineers :P03:31
marcdmI need some major help installing ubuntu03:31
occySafari_Al, heh03:31
occyamathis, what's that bub?03:32
amathisoccy~ how is the band?03:32
occyahhhh03:32
marcdmI'm get a failure when it tries to install initrd03:32
occyI thought you were saying that.... but didn't know if it was:   s/ti/it/03:32
occyheh03:32
occyhttp://theinterference.com/ </pimp>03:32
amathis:P03:32
occystill going.03:32
occylost our old drummer, picked up a new one.03:32
marcdmalready tried with....03:32
Safari_Aloccy, so you are using ubuntu a bit now?03:33
marcdmcould the fact that lilo was installed in the MBR have anything to do with it?03:33
occySafari_Al, for desktop... it wouldn't install on my laptop.  Need to retry the final release version.03:33
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occyamathis, thanks for asking.03:34
occyamathis, and caring :)03:34
amathisoccy~ amathis == pyrobunny, BTW03:34
robertjis Evolution broke for other hoary users?03:34
occyamathis, ahhhh, man of 1000 nicks03:34
amathisoccy~ heh.03:34
bob2robertj: they'd have reported it to the bts if it was :)03:34
occyUbuntu is nice, Jdub+crew has done some great work.03:35
occyif they had a clue though, they'd hire me on full-time to make it the most kick ass distro on the planet.03:35
occyI know I could.03:35
occy:)03:35
occyI could take out Tuomas, Garrett, and Jakub in one swoop03:35
occy*chuckle*03:35
bob2there are bounties on offer03:35
bob2have a shot and prove your awesomeness03:35
occybob2, heh, shush ;)03:36
occybob2, and howdy ;)03:36
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Safari_Aloccy, I have to get back to the study now.  but it was good to catch up.  all the best for the 'thon :)03:36
occySafari_Al, okies bud.  You take care.  ttfn.03:36
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marcdmHelp.. :(03:38
occyamathis, good "seeing" you again bud.  I still love those Songs you gave me.  Great stuff.  I listen to em' at least once a week or so.03:38
occymarcdm, let me read.03:38
amathisoccy~ I didn't give you any songs... *wink wink*03:38
occyamathis, nod nod03:38
occymarcdm, :/  Seems a bit over my head.  :(03:38
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bob2marcdm: you're doing a default install?03:38
seek187Anyone ever tried installing enemy-territory?03:38
marcdmI"m trying to install Warthog on a machine that previously had slackware 10 with lilo installed in the MBR03:39
occynight night gang.03:39
marcdmI'm doing nothing fancy with the WW install03:39
marcdmactually, I'm duplicating the install that I did 3 days ago in VMWare03:39
bob2marcdm: defaults for everythig?03:39
marcdmusing the same ISO that I downloaded. this is before I burnt it to CD03:39
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marcdmeverything except country.03:40
marcdmI select Jamaica for country.03:40
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marcdmeverything else is default03:40
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marcdmpretty basic machine. AMD K62 500, SIS900 NIC, CMedia Sound, Sis or trident video. (don't remember)03:41
overflowHey, Is not ubuntu looking for developers ? I would love to be paid for build a distro :)03:41
marcdmI want to work with Ubuntu.... except Fedora (buggy) it's the only other GNome Distro I've liked03:41
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marcdmon my machine I use Suse with Gnome 2.8. I prefer ubuntu. But I need this machine up and running tonite...03:43
gentonite03:43
marcdmI'm just thinking now that maybe it's Lilo in the MBR making trouble. So I'm going to run over and execute fdisk /mbr and see what happens03:44
bob2ubuntu will nuke the mbr03:44
bob2and install gnome03:44
Rotundubuntu need gstreamer-ffmpeg03:45
robertjhrmm, I really like Disk Manager, it would be great if it had a "Copy" button for each disk too03:45
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RotundI can't find any .deb packages for it03:45
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genwhat exactly does gstreamer do03:45
marcdmwhen you say it will Nuke it, when exactly does this happen?03:46
Rotundit's like directshow on Windows03:46
genmarcdm: after install, before first reboot03:46
marcdmthe last 4 times I tried the install with different variations of CDs, CD-Rom drives, and RAM it failed when installing initrd03:46
robertjgen: it's a multimedia framework which converts between different formats and allows you to redirect audio into filters, over the net, or whatever, and eventually out into speakers/screen03:46
robertjmac: check your disk03:46
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seek187would anyone know why I get a blank screen when trying to run enemy-territory?03:52
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Ruffian|Q|Hmmm, im thinking of running Ubuntu on my PPC,  but i dont want to overwrite OS9.204:05
Ruffian|Q|does anyone talk in this channel anymore?04:07
amathisRuffian|Q|~ yes you do.04:07
amathisyou do want to overwrite OS9.204:07
amathis:)04:07
grapehehe04:07
Ruffian|Q|no, I dont04:07
grape:-P04:07
Ruffian|Q|as much as I hate it, I dont04:07
Ruffian|Q|im thinking about it actually04:07
amathisdon't think first.04:07
Ruffian|Q|I dont know how to even boot from CD04:08
amathisdo first, think later.04:08
Ruffian|Q|in Mac04:08
grapethinking bad04:08
grapebeer first04:08
grapethen wipe disk04:08
amathiscall your padre.04:08
amathispray for it.04:08
Ruffian|Q|hmmm, I think I might04:09
Ruffian|Q|Will Ubuntu detect my ZIP drive?04:09
nomasteryodausb?04:10
Ruffian|Q|nope04:10
Ruffian|Q|Its internal04:10
Ruffian|Q|its on my PPC04:10
nomasteryodaide04:10
Ruffian|Q|i think04:10
nomasteryodayea, it should04:10
nomasteryodawould mount04:10
Ruffian|Q|good04:10
nomasteryodaunder '/mnt/sda104:10
nomasteryodaor similar04:10
Ruffian|Q|just mount it like a floppy?04:10
nomasteryodait should do that04:11
nomasteryodayea04:11
grapeanyone know where a config file for ez-ipupdate is?04:11
Ruffian|Q|and what about my monitor?  Mac OS 9.2 would only let it go to 640x480......... Is taht the only Resolution I can have on it with Ubuntu PPC?04:11
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HrdwrBoBRuffian|Q|: er.. what resolution is it running it04:11
HrdwrBoBin04:12
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Ruffian|Q|640x48004:12
Ruffian|Q|I cant change it04:12
Ruffian|Q|OS 9.2 wont let me04:12
HrdwrBoBin ubuntu04:12
HrdwrBoBinstall it and you will know04:12
Ruffian|Q|aaaaah04:12
seek187what package would artsdsp be in?04:13
Ruffian|Q|lol, What about my single button mouse?  Like, how will I do stuff04:13
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marcdmubuntu Runs on a Mac?04:13
HrdwrBoBF11 and F1204:13
tom_ruffian its always a good idea to begin with a live cd version if one is available04:13
HrdwrBoBmiddle and second button04:13
HrdwrBoBmarcdm: yes04:13
marcdmI absolutely love the look and feel of the Powerbook04:13
bob2marcdm: of course04:13
seek187nevermind figured it out :)04:13
marcdmbut I don't use many apps that Run on a Mac04:13
marcdmI really should read some more.04:14
Ruffian|Q|tom_, no PPC Live version04:14
wasabiDoes Ubuntu have gst-python anywhere?04:14
billytwowillyupgrading to xorg messed up my touch pad. The right hand side no longer acts as a scroll bar04:14
marcdmanywho... update on my current problem.. (HwBob, maybe you can help)04:14
bob2wasabi: I think it requires a newer version of gst than is currently in sid04:14
marcdmI'm trying to replace a slackware 10 system with a warthog04:14
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bob2billytwowilly: did you install the synaptics module for x.org?04:15
wasabibob2, darn.04:15
tom_ruff if there is no lice cd ubuntu for ppc then see if another distro has one and check out your system that way ... its a cheap way of finding out stuff painlessly04:15
billytwowillybob2, probably not. Thanks04:15
crimsunwasabi: you can always pull deb-src from sid and recompile04:15
marcdmI think I forgot Lilo in the MBR that caused ubuntu install to fail when installing initrd04:15
wasabiYeah.04:15
bob2wasabi: (it should be on the top of jdub's things to do list)04:15
bob2marcdm: no, ubuntu installs grub to the mbr04:15
jdubbob2: your mum?04:15
marcdmnow I'm not entirely sure because I just restarted the install after booting with floppy and executing fdisk /mbr04:16
jdubwasabi: it's in hoary04:16
bob2oh04:16
marcdmbob2: it doesn't get to the point of installing grub04:16
wasabihorreigh!04:16
nomasteryodaany idea why Ubuntu warty would see my atheros, let me configure it with the gui yet Die at the end?04:16
marcdmit stops when installing initrd04:16
marcdmadditionally (bob2 you listen), when I was rebooting to run fdisk, I noticed that the bios was reporting the 10GB Hard drive as 541MB04:18
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marcdmso I changed the User setting in the Bios to AUTO and AUTO for mode (the last column in AWARD bios)04:18
marcdmlet's see if it fails this time...04:19
marcdmgoing to check on the progress. back in 504:19
wasabiconfigure: error: You need to recompile gst-python with gst.interfaces support Argh.04:19
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grapeanyone know how to start sshd on ubuntu?04:21
bob2install openssh-server04:22
grapeDOH04:22
grapethanks04:22
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marcdmwent into the office next door to see a beautiful RED screen saying failure with unbuntu-base install04:23
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carger314whenever i try to play a dvd with mplayer (in the terminal) it keeps giving me this: libdvdread: Can't stat /dev/dvd04:24
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carger314what in the world does that mean?04:24
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marcdmit failed when installing initrd-tools04:24
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bob2carger314: mplayer -dvd /dev/hdWHATEVER04:25
bob2probably, WHATEVER = "c"04:25
bob2marcdm: did you make sure the cd burnt ok?04:25
marcdmI went to terminal 3 and .. it doesn't say much. Just says everything else worked up to initrd-tools04:25
GotD0tcarger314: it means mplayer is looking at a nonexistant drive04:25
carger314ah04:25
grapeif I can ssh into this box, should I be able to get a remote desktop?04:25
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marcdmwell, I used k3b with data verification. And I've used the ubuntu "verify cd" option in the menu04:25
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GotD0tanybody know how i can burn a DVD image?04:26
grapei never did that live gui stuff before ;-)04:26
marcdmnothing failed04:26
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despdoes gmail work in firefox?04:26
GotD0tyea04:26
marcdmis there any way to install accross the network?04:26
alakdananybody here with ubuntu packages for enlightenment 0.16.7 ?04:26
marcdmbob2:is there any way to install accross the network?04:26
bob2marcdm: check the md5sum of the cd04:26
bluewheeldesp : yep I use it04:26
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bob2desp: yes04:27
bluewheelbut they are now going to roll out POP3, maybe IMAP even04:27
despstrange. I can't see the login/pass fields on the entry page04:27
tom_marcdm you probably ought at this stage to do an md5sum on that cd rather than relying on gui04:27
bob2desp: wait for a bit04:27
despbluewheel: yeah I am reading /.04:27
marcdmok kool. How do I do that?04:27
bob2alakdan: has ljlane packaged it for sid yet?04:27
marcdm(sorry to sound dumb)04:27
bob2marcdm: "md5sum /dev/cdrom"04:27
GotD0tbluewheel: im certain that POP3 support wont be around for long... unless they can figure out how to deliver the ads through that04:27
marcdmforget it, I'll search04:27
tom_do you have the correct md5sum value?04:27
despbob2: I've been waiting for a bit already, firefox seems stuck at the "Connecting to google.com..." phase04:27
bob2where is this gmail pop3 thing everyone is talking about?04:27
HrdwrBoBpop3 would only be offered if the messages had ads tacked on04:28
HrdwrBoBI daresay04:28
despis there an easy way to upgrade to firefox 1.0 in warty?04:28
bob2desp: works for me now04:28
HrdwrBoBthe money has to come from SOMEWHERE04:28
despbob2: are you using 1.0?04:28
bob2desp: get the tarball from mozilla.org, install to ~/ or /usr/local/04:28
bob2desp: no04:28
alakdanbob2: you mean for debian? will it be ok to include unstable sources list to ubuntus apt-sources list?04:29
despI see. okay04:29
bob2alakdan: no, it won't04:29
bob2alakdan: are there packages in sid or not?04:29
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alakdanbob2: not sure. but someone from #e referred me to this link deb http://soulmachine.net/debian unstable/04:30
Keybukhmm?  packages built for Debian unstable should largely work on Ubuntu04:32
Xenguyfeedback for developers (as promised) for any Ubuntu developers who happen to be listening (based on 2 separate installs, last night and tonight)...04:32
Keybukthe problem is putting Debian *itself* in the sources.list -- because APT doesn't know which packages to pick when they're the same version04:32
Keybukfrom other non-Debian/non-Ubuntu sources, it's ok04:32
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bluewheeldoes anyone know if the stock ubuntu kernels work with cpu frequency scaling, it seems to be supported but i am not able to change the scaling_min_freq or even set it when i use usersapce, same for powersave04:32
bluewheeli am trying it by echoing in the values04:32
bluewheeland root does have write access to the files04:33
Keybukbluewheel: it works ok here ... do you have the right module for your CPU loaded ?04:33
seek187How come in linux firefox the middle mouse will open tabs but when you try to close tabs with the middle mouse it goes back or something?04:33
bluewheelKeybuk, yea powermac04:33
XenguyNetworking: I have a feeling Ubu would perform like a champ with DHCP, but my setup at home is static IP.  For some reason I've been unable to get a working net connection established (tried pppoeconfig, and manual config file tweaking)...04:33
arun--what are the good big screen laptops, big i mean by resolution, i am tired of 1024x76804:34
Keybukbluewheel: no idea about mac, speedstep-centrino works ok for me04:34
Keybuk(on a P-M, obviously :p)04:34
bluewheelKeybuk, ok thanks :-)04:34
bluewheeli'll keep looking04:34
Xenguythis in spite of the fact that I have a working debian/sid 2 box network up and running with firewall and NAT (tho I admit I am no networking expert by any means)...04:34
tom_Xenguy dfe works a charm with dhcp04:35
arun--bluewheel, i think the CPU should support frequency scaling04:35
XenguyNetworking (cont) So I think that the networking for static IP's is weak currently and could use some work...04:35
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arun--my centrino works fine04:35
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tom_Xenguy if you have not seen this its worth a look http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm04:36
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XenguyGrub: With install #1 I overwrote my MBR with grub's configuration (it 'saw' the existing Debian/sid install on the other hard drive) - the only problem was that when I tried to boot the existing debian install, grub failed with 'error 21' or some such -- I think grub installation procedure maybe needs to be smoothed out a bit...04:37
Xenguybrb...04:37
arun--does any one have any idea regarding freebsd if it still has the 1023 cylinder problem?04:37
bob2Xenguy: how many hard drives do you have?04:38
bob2arun--: #freebsd would know04:38
bob2Xenguy: if you're behind NAT at home, you need to set static settings in /etc/network/interfaces04:39
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Xenguyback04:40
marcdmnow back to my second original question...04:40
marcdmis there anyway to install ubuntu accross the network?04:40
bob2pxe, yes04:40
bob2did you check the md5sum of the cd?04:40
marcdmbob2: md5sum of the iso checked out but the cd gave a r/w error04:40
XenguyThat's my main feedback for now, except for the fact that Ubuntu is amazing work, and I say kudos to you all! :-)04:40
marcdmmd5sum: /dev/cdrom: Input/output error04:41
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alakdanto get the 0.16.7 version of enligthenment, I have added deb http://soulmachine.net/debian unstable/, problem is I now have two versions of enlightenment packages (the other one the ubuntu packages). How do i specifically install the 0.16.7 version using apt-get?04:41
marcdmpxe install?04:41
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crimsunalakdan: apt-get -tunstable install enlightenment04:41
alakdancrimsun: thank you04:42
marcdmbob2: I don't think I need pxe. If it's a cdrom prob. I just want to be able to tell the installer to get the files from an nfs mount04:42
alakdan:)04:42
bezakhey guys, i'm having trouble getting my dsl working (an enuriating little problem) I think I know what is wrong im just not sure how to fix it, I connect fine, (i set it up with pppoeconf) and when I type plog (i think thats the command) heres what i get (amongst other stuff but this is the important bit)04:43
bob2marcdm: that's bad, try another cd04:43
alakdancrimsun: it does not work :(04:43
bob2alakdan: it will install the highest-versioned one automatically04:43
bezaknot replacing default rout eth0 (192.168.0.1)04:43
bob2bezak: get rid of your default route04:43
tom_marcdm and if writing another cd make sure you use the pad option04:43
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crimsunalakdan: looks like you need to pin.04:43
bob2bezak: ie don't have a "gateway" line in /etc/network/interfaces04:43
bezakbob2: how do i do that?04:43
Xenguytom_: re URL above: nice :-)04:43
x0563511Can i ask a question? (has to do with nvidia)04:43
alakdancrimsun: pin?04:44
bob2x0563511: just ask04:44
tom_xenguy ... you good ol plain english :)04:44
WWmarcdm: FYI: that r/w error sounds like the error I get when I try to burn ISO with Nautilus. See bug #2751 in bugzilla.04:44
tom_*yeah04:44
bezakbob2: so just remove any gateway in /etc/network/interfaces should do the trick?04:44
x0563511OK, apparently ubuntu comes with the nvidia kernel drivers... they were in synaptic. Ive installed them all (nvglx, nvidia-kernel, ect)04:44
Xenguybob2: 2 HD's; yes, I was messing with /etc/network/interfaces, but didn't get something just right - not a problem in this case04:44
bob2bezak: yes04:44
x0563511but my XF86config is still the default04:44
Xenguytom_: hmm?04:45
x0563511Do i need to do anything except change the nv module to nvidia?04:45
bob2Xenguy: "man interfaces", then edit it04:45
bezakbob2: thanks, ill give that a spin *reboots out of os x* :)04:45
bob2x0563511: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto04:45
Xenguybob2: nod04:45
x0563511The readme for the nvidia drivers (on the nvidia site) say to remove some of the extensions...04:45
bob2Xenguy: your bios may not be able to boot the second one, if that's where ubuntu is04:45
bob2x0563511: ignore that readme04:45
marcdmWW: I don't know if Nautilus has anything to do with it. Used k3b on a Suse 9.1/Gnome 2.8 system04:45
tom_Xenguy ... i found that URL directly helpful without it leading to a fortnight of basic research04:45
bob2x0563511: read the url I gave you04:45
x0563511ok04:45
marcdmburn another CD, I doubt that's a good idea.04:46
crimsunalakdan: like bob2 said, it installs the highest version available. You need to pin if you want a different version. man 5 apt_preferences04:46
bob2alakdan: or apt-get install enlightenment=VERSION04:46
bob2"apt-cache policy enlightenment" will list available versions04:46
marcdmI'm somewhat of a believer in the "same action" = "same result" principle04:46
bob2marcdm: except your cd is fucked04:46
bob2marcdm: or the cd drive04:46
WWmarcdm: Hmmm, maybe it's not related then.  Nevermind :)04:46
marcdmexactly.04:46
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Xenguybob2: I don't think that is a problem now - on install #2 I put grub on /dev/hdc1 (instead of the MBR) and then modifed LILO on HD#1 to include HD#2 as an 'other' OS.  So basically HD1/lilo now points to HD2/grub (if that is what you meant)04:47
bob2Xenguy: is hda2 hdb?04:47
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marcdmbob2: yeah I kinda thought so too. But I think the burner is more fucked than the CD.04:47
Xenguybob2: not that I am aware of, no04:47
marcdmbob2: that's why I don't want to waste anymore blank CDs04:47
x0563511bob2, ok, thanks. The readme would have had me remove DRI.04:48
x0563511bob2, the wiki said to leave it there, but remove GLCore04:48
tom_marcdm if you have not seen this then you should before trying reburning a cd ... i agree dont just do exactly what you did last time ... do it as this guy says ... it fixed my inconsistent burns04:48
tom_http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/coasterless.htm04:48
Xenguytom_: I see what you mean now - yep :-)04:48
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XenguySo guys - I'm thinking seriously of doing a 'stealth install' of Ubu at work, and I need yer help on a couple of points =)04:49
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XenguyI'm thinking of bringing in a 2nd hard drive and adding it to the box at work.  The main thing I don't want to happen is to screw up the NTLDR (W2kPro's bootloader on the MBR)...04:50
alakdanbob2 crimsun; hmm. apt-cache policy enligthenment  I get the ff: ubuntu based = 1:0.16.6-1 0 and debian unstable from soulmachine.net 0.16.7.2-0cvs2004102204:50
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XenguyDoes anyone here have W2K and Ubu playing nice with each other's boot loaders?04:51
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alakdanit seems apt always choose the old one because of the '1:0' prefix in ubuntu04:51
alakdanversion04:51
florofilahello =)04:51
bob2Xenguy: which disk is it then?04:51
tom_Xenguy its a free universe but stealth linux activuty in a production situation is not gonna endear you to anyone04:51
bob2Xenguy: does it have a floppy drive?04:52
bob2alakdan: yes04:52
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bob2alakdan: do the =VERSION thing I said04:52
HrdwrBoBXenguy: most workplaces dislike you bringing storage devices onsite04:52
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alakdanbob2: did it, thanks a lot!!! :)04:52
Xenguybob2: W2K is already installed on HD1 (at work); I want to install Ubu to HD2, *without* f***ing up the W2K boot loader/MBR04:53
HrdwrBoBespecially large storage devices04:53
florofilanobody says hello =(04:53
bob2alakdan: ah, cool04:53
bob2Xenguy: hd1 is not a disk in linux04:53
bob2Xenguy: you need to fidn the device names if you want help with the grub problem04:53
Xenguytom_ HrdwrBoB : yep I know - but I *think* I know what I am doing in this case -- thanks for the warnings tho04:53
bob2Xenguy: as for work, if you really want to subvert your admins, you can boot a usb key or cd or floppy disk and run it from the hard disk04:53
bob2florofila: one person joins every 20 seconds, if everyone got a hello and goodbye, that's all there would be :)04:54
Xenguybob2: sorry for the confusing shorthand (HD == hard drive != hd?)04:54
tom_bye guys thanks for the company04:55
Ruffian|Q|Ill prolly use Ubuntu PPC04:55
Xenguybob2: as for usb key/cd/floppy -- I'm not sure how to do that -- I really want to install Ubu honestly...04:55
Xenguybob2: as for the device names, let's assume it would be something like W2K == /dev/hda1, and Ubu == /dev/hdb1 (is that what you mean?)04:56
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florofilabob2, but nobody say hello04:57
bezakhi again guys, still no love with the pppoe04:57
florofilaburp nevermind04:57
Xenguybob2: yes there is a floppy drive04:57
JDahlDoes fixing openAFS have any priority for Ubuntu?04:57
bezaki took the gateway out of my /etc/network/interfaces but it didnt make a difference, should there be some reference to ppp0 in my interfaces file?04:58
bob2Xenguy: you can install ubuntu to a disk, but boot it from a floppy/usb thing.  it's just so yuou don't have to fiddle the windows bootloader04:58
bob2florofila: as I said...04:58
bob2JDahl: do you want to help :)04:58
Xenguybezak: I was wrestling with the same kind of problem earlier tonight04:58
Xenguybezak: no luck here either so far04:58
florofilais there a channel about ubuntu on spanish?04:58
bob2bezak: pon should generate it04:58
bob2florofila: #ubuntu-us04:58
bob2er, es04:58
JDahlbob2, atleast I finally got it working... so I wouldnt mind passing on whatever I know04:59
bezakbob2: hmmm it doesnt seem to have04:59
Xenguybob2: ahh, now I see what you are saying -- OK.  usb is out (I don't have one); but floppy would probably work alright04:59
florofilathanks04:59
bob2JDahl: cool, could you create a wiki page explaining what you did?04:59
=== bezak bob2: this is what my interfaces looks like
florofilais ubuntu-es no us =)04:59
bezakwoops04:59
JDahlbob2, sure04:59
marcdmtom_: been reading the page you sent me...04:59
bezakauto eth0 iface eth0 intet static name Ethernet LAN card address 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 network 192.168.0.005:00
marcdmtom_: however, cdrecord returns an error...05:00
marcdmI feel like such a bother.05:01
florofilaalguien habla espaol?05:01
gennegative05:01
Xenguymarcdm: I think tom_ is gone (?)05:01
bob2florofila: this is an english-speaking channel05:01
bezakun poco :P05:01
florofilai know05:01
bob2bezak: is eth0 the one plugged into your dsl modem?05:01
florofilabut in ubuntu-es nobody speak05:02
bezakbob2: certainly is05:02
bezakspeak louder mb they can't hear you :)05:02
florofilabuta la wea05:02
bob2florofila: please?05:02
bob2florofila: there's a spanish mailing list and forum, too05:02
jdubflorofila: estoy buscando mis pantalones05:02
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bezakbob2: is there a way i can manually put my ppp0 in there?05:04
bob2bezak: do you need to?05:05
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Xenguybezak: I was wondering the same - ppp0 should hold the IP address, not eth005:05
bezakbob2: haha ive got no idea, I just want it to work05:05
Ruffian|Q|How do I make the Apple key = mouse button 2  on Ubuntu PPC?05:06
bezakhmm its time to order pizza i think05:06
Xenguybezak: you would have to mention food wouldn't you :P05:06
florofilaanyway, bye bad guys i think you're more friendly05:06
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bezakciao05:07
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bezakXenguy: I can see this takin a while05:07
Xenguybezak: patience is everything :-)05:07
Xenguyand once it's set up (finally) -- it's done :-)05:07
nomasteryodaanyone here know why the network-admin tool complains about my WEP key?05:08
nomasteryodathey match05:08
bezakyeah its just when the internet doesnt work its sooo annoying05:08
bezaki had this problem on a gentoo box one time05:08
bezaki just installed mandrake haha05:08
genyou broken my intarweb!!05:08
genmandrake is a bloat fest05:08
bezakurpmi is sweet though05:09
Xenguybezak: http://turnofftheinternet.com/  ;-)05:09
bezakXenguy: lol05:09
Xenguybezak: darn, doesn't work too well with popup-blocker browsers ;-)05:09
nomasteryodagen, too true05:09
bezakXenguy: safari let it through05:10
Xenguyhehe05:10
nomasteryodabezak: apt is better05:10
nomasteryodaand i was a staunch supporter of Mandrake for 4 years05:10
bezaknomasteryo: yeah i havent really used it, except with Fink on the mac.05:10
nomasteryodayea05:10
Xenguybezak: urpmi is MDK finally catching up to debian, years later ;-)05:10
nomasteryodalol05:10
bezakhaha05:10
bezakmdk control center is nice too05:11
bob2bezak: how did you get it working under gentoo?05:11
bezakbob2: lol i didnt i just gave up05:11
bob2erm, ok05:11
bezakbob2: im not sure if its the same problem though05:11
bezakhence the mandrake install05:11
punkassanyone know why in hoary, when u maximize a window in now covers the panels05:12
nomasteryodai ask again, why would my wep key generate an error ("Set Encode" (8B2A) : invalid argument "my_wep_key".)05:12
bob2nomasteryoda: does it work if you set it in /etc/network/interfaces?05:12
bob2punkass: has anyone reported that as a bug yet?05:12
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nomasteryodaer, isn't the interface for that05:13
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nomasteryodagui05:13
punkassnot sure..just thought i would ask here first05:13
bob2nomasteryoda: is that a no?05:13
nomasteryodaer, not looked at that file ...will05:13
bob2ah05:13
punkassnot sure where my_wep_key is from.. isnt it supposed to be: wireless_key05:13
nomasteryodamine is wep05:13
bezakalright im off to try one more thing before i get pizza05:14
bezakbbl05:14
nomasteryodabut yea in the file05:14
genPIZZZZ05:14
genA05:14
punkassi know but in interfaces file it is: wireless_key 12341344 or whatever your key is05:14
geni had pizza tonight05:14
genrocked my world05:14
punkasshmm about to have a nice big burrito05:14
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johnnybezakthe bezak attack is back05:18
johnnybezakheres how i fixed my little pppoe problem05:18
johnnybezakroute del default05:18
bob2right05:19
johnnybezakroute add default ppp005:19
bob2oh05:19
nomasteryodabob2: what if my WEP key is there in the file?05:19
johnnybezakcould someone tell me what that actually does05:19
nomasteryodait still throws error05:19
bob2nomasteryoda: what throws an error?05:19
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bob2johnnybezak: it tells your computer to use the ppp interface as it's default way of accessing the internet05:19
Ruffian|Q|How do I make the Apple key = mouse button 2  on Ubuntu PPC?05:20
nomasteryodaer, error ("Set Encode" (8B2A) : invalid argument "kojak05:20
johnnybezakbob2: do you know how i can make this happen on boot, ie automagically05:20
nomasteryodawhere kojak is the WEP key05:20
johnnybezakbob2: so i dont have to do it all the time05:20
bob2nomasteryoda: don't you need ti give it as hex or something?05:20
johnnybezakXenguy: hopefully my fix can help you05:20
bob2johnnybezak: paste your /etc/network/interfaces to #flood05:20
nomasteryodaer, in suse i didn'05:20
nomasteryodanot05:20
nomasteryodaok... will try that05:21
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johnnybezakXenguy: i fixed the pppoe problem05:22
johnnybezakbob2: done05:22
Xenguyjohnnybezak: hrm, interesting05:22
johnnybezakXenguy: see above05:23
johnnybezakbrb guys goin to pick up pizza05:23
bob2johnnybezak: erm, that's odd05:23
bob2I'm not sure why you're having problems then05:23
Xenguyjohnnybezak: if there are any ubuntu developers listening, then they would probably be interested in this -- obviously this kind of hack shouldn't be necessary to get a basic pppoe connection going05:24
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Xenguyjohnnybezak: but hack or not, well done ;-)05:24
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bob2it'd be great if one of you two can file a bug05:27
Xenguyjohnnybezak: could you paste to #flood again by any chance (I'm there now)05:27
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Xenguybob2: tx for the paste05:28
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stuNNed_man, network-admin is giving me troubles, seems buggy05:29
stuNNed_and there is no gnome-ppp in warty :(05:29
HrdwrBoBthat's because modems are obsolete05:29
bob2Xenguy: you used pppoeconf, right?05:29
nomasteryodabob2, thanks05:30
HrdwrBoBI mean.. yeah sucks05:30
Xenguybob2: yes05:30
nomasteryodabrainblock or something05:30
nomasteryodaactual hex key made it work05:30
nasdaq4088arafat is dead05:30
bob2nomasteryoda: ah05:30
bob2nasdaq4088: yeah :/05:30
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, gives me troubles with wifi as well, is that obsolete?05:30
Xenguynasdaq4088: :-(05:30
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, i know many folks who still use dialup modems...05:31
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johnnybezakXenguy: i just typed route del default then route add default ppp0 then pon05:34
Xenguyjohnnybezak: got it - thanks.  I'm just cross-checking your paste to #flood with my own working debian 'interfaces' file05:35
bob2do you have ppp0 in your interfaces file?05:36
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johnnybezakbob2: me?05:36
bob2Xenguy: you05:36
Xenguybob2: it seems all my 'eth0' entries are commented out - there are only references to eth1 (my 2nd NIC in the gateway box)05:38
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bob2ahhh05:38
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bob2eth0 is the ppp one?05:38
Xenguybob2: yes (if I understand correctly) -- ppp0 uses eth005:39
Xenguybob2: does that make sense?05:39
bob2yes05:40
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Xenguybob2: I think you know more about this issue than I do right now :-)05:41
bob2johnnybezak: try commenting out eth0 completely05:42
Xenguybob2: to answer your original question: no I have no references to ppp0 in the interfaces file05:43
johnnybezakbob2: yeah ill give it a go, but for the moment ill go with "if it aint broke dont fix it" hehe time to play with some fun stuff05:43
bob2Xenguy: cool, thanks05:43
Xenguyjohnnybezak: OK, but it would be nice to solve this issue too (rather than just relax with a workaround), yes?  :-)05:43
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bob2I suspect the key is to not have either listed, and to jyst let pon sort it out05:44
bob2can one of you check that?05:44
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Xenguybob2: I can test that, but I will disappear from here for a while if I do :-)05:44
bob2heh05:44
johnnybezakXenguy: haha you guys are obviously less lazy than me05:44
bob2well, when you don't mind dropping off, that would be great05:45
johnnybezakbob2: what do you want to try?05:45
Xenguyjohnnybezak: I'm lazy too, but when the scent is fresh, y'know ... ;-)05:45
johnnybezak:)05:45
NetSurfAUI'm a complete novice with Linux.  I'm trying to set Ubuntu up on a L/top that has only a PCMCIA CD Rom & I can't find the right set of floppy's to install Ubuntu from this CD Rom.  HELP!!!  :)05:45
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Xenguyjohnnybezak: < bob2> I suspect the key is to not have either listed, and to jyst let pon sort it05:46
Xenguy              out05:46
bob2NetSurfAU: erm, are you sure there are any ubuntu install floppies at all?05:46
Xenguyjohnnybezak: do you want to test this (are you in Ubu right now?), or shall I?05:46
hypa7ia_i don't think that there are05:46
tsengthere surely arent, since its on the list for hoary05:47
tsengwhy talk about fixing something that isnt broken :)05:47
bob2yeah, that's what I thought05:47
NetSurfAUThe documentation mentions something about using Debian one's, but I can't find the correct ones there either.05:47
johnnybezakXenguy: haha you can :)05:47
Xenguyjohnnybezak: damn, you *are* a lazy bastard ;-)05:48
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johnnybezakXenguy: hehehe05:48
johnnybezakXenguy: are you in ubu now?>05:49
johnnybezakguys when i try and use the graphical sreen res tool it doesnt have the right screen res, is there anyway to add an option or am i editing xf86.conf??05:50
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Xenguyjohnnybezak: nope, debian05:51
bob2"graphical screen res tool"?05:51
johnnybezakXenguy: ok ill do it then05:52
Xenguyjohnnybezak: I take back all those nasty things I said  =)05:52
bob2the gnome randr applet?05:52
johnnybezakXenguy: so comment out eth0 in my interfaces config05:52
Xenguyjohnnybezak: yep05:52
Xenguy(man, Stairway to Heaven still works for me)05:53
marcdmbob2: Hey05:53
marcdmwazzup?05:53
johnnybezakXenguy: look in flood is this what he means05:53
marcdmI just got our little red-error screen again. trying to install Ubu05:54
Xenguyjohnnybezak: K, sec05:54
bob2marcdm: did you burn a non-broken cd yet?05:54
marcdmactually, I didn't test this one because md5sum in Winxp was fighting the CD... but I just burned this CD with nero05:55
Xenguyjohnnybezak: I think we want to ask bob2 if that is what he means05:55
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bob2johnnybezak: no, the last lines, too05:55
bob2everythign except the two lo lines05:55
johnnybezakbob2: ok05:55
johnnybezakalright05:56
johnnybezaki saved it05:56
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johnnybezakand poffed05:56
johnnybezakthen poned05:56
johnnybezakand the net works05:57
bob2cool05:57
johnnybezakshould i try a restart to if everything is ok?05:57
marcdmbob2: I burned a new CD using nero 6.0.11 in WinXP. It stopped in the same place05:57
marcdmI'm beginning to think it's a problem with the hard drive05:57
bob2johnnybezak: if you can, that would be great, but I'm pretty sure it's all good now05:57
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johnnybezakbob2: ill give it a restart05:58
bob2marcdm: you verified the md5sum of the iso?05:58
johnnybezakbrb05:58
bob2erm, cd, not iso05:58
Xenguymarcdm: where does it freeze?06:00
seek187Where is my local mail located?06:00
marcdmiso's MD5 checks out.06:00
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marcdmit freezes when it tries to install initrd-tools06:00
Xenguymarcdm: does it do a 'flashing' routine when it freezes?06:01
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johnnybezakbob2: all systems are go06:01
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Xenguyjohnnybezak: woohoo06:01
johnnybezakhehe06:02
Xenguyjohnnybezak: tx for the lessons learned :-)06:02
johnnybezakXenguy: i was just going along for the ride06:02
johnnybezakXenguy: had no real idea what i was doing06:03
Xenguyjohnnybezak: every little bit helps - truly06:03
johnnybezakhaha06:03
johnnybezaknow to fix X06:03
johnnybezakin my x config it has the right resolution but that is being overridden by the GUI tool in the computer menu06:03
johnnybezakanyone know how that thing owrks?06:04
marcdmXenguy: no flashing. That was before I changed the cdrom drive06:04
Xenguymarcdm: OK, I had a problem getting the installation to proceed the first few times I tried -- finally it started to work (I swapped a CD-ROM drive at one point too)06:05
Xenguyjohnnybezak: see you around (booting back into Ubu momentarily)06:06
johnnybezakXenguy: yeah catcha man good luck06:06
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weasellowhen ubuntu is looking for my hostname, that's .. like... google.com, right? (Except my own address)06:09
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=== Rene_S can't find his Hoary Helper Hat ,,,,
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TycheUbuntu is the BEST AROUND!06:14
crimsunweasello: yep06:14
GnuHippyapt-get is broken for me06:15
Rene_SHmm, I keep hearing how Windows is the best around, sad really.  No one can seem to agree on anything anymore.06:15
GnuHippyno I hear it is OS X06:15
GnuHippyApple is the self-proclaimed bestest06:16
Rene_SIn the pre Window's 95 era, I thought Dos was pretty good.06:16
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GnuHippyyou didn't use Windows 95?06:17
Rene_SI used OS/2 then06:17
GnuHippyic06:17
Rene_SIBM shipped out free CD's of that06:17
GnuHippyit's too bad nobody really wants to take on M$ that way anymore06:17
johnnybezakhey guys i have an X problem the resolution in X 1440/900 is right but for some reason ubu is using the gnome resolution tool instead of the x config file, and the gnome tool doesnt have 1440/900 anyone know a solution?06:18
Rene_SIt's expensive06:18
Rene_SAdd a modeline06:18
Rene_Sthere is program on your comp called gtf06:18
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johnnybezakRene_s: was that to me?06:19
Rene_Sso you add gtf 1440 900 85  and paste that into your xorg or Xfree86 file06:19
zenwhenEventually the average joe is going to care about Open Source software. Not soon, but one day. Not the way we do, but he may care enough to run a Linux based OS that just works when he installs it and can do so for free.06:19
zenwhenUbuntu s a huge leap towards that.06:19
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Rene_Sthe 85 can be replaced by whatever resolution you want06:20
WitigonenSo, is it possible to watch streaming quicktime movies with sound in Ubuntu?06:20
zenwhenI switched my mom from windows to ubuntu and she loves it.06:20
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zenwhenall she needs is a web broswer and email client06:20
Lowryhi all06:20
zenwhenshe has them and is happy06:20
LowryI crashed gnome-help - what does it list under in Bug Buddy?06:21
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Rene_Sjohnnybezak, did you get that ?06:22
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wm_eddieWitigonen: Have you checked out VLC?06:23
encryptiommm... vlc06:23
wm_eddieAlthough it's GTK+ only it's pretty good.06:23
encryptiois 0.8 in hoary yet?06:23
billytwowilly0.8 what?06:24
Lowryanyone?06:24
johnnybezakRene_S: sort of06:25
encryptio0.8 of vlc.06:26
ChibiWould anyone appreciate it if I put together some more recent XFCE packages than the ones in universe? :o06:26
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johnnybezakRene_S: i typed06:26
Witigonenwm_eddie, I'm trying to watch this streaming video content on PBS' website (Commanding Heights).  So I don't really know where exactly the file is to try and get it for VLC.06:27
Rene_Sjohnnybezak, hmm, I wonder if there is a web page that can explain it better. lemme see06:27
Witigonenwm_eddie, I do have VLC, though :)06:27
johnnybezakRene_S: gtf 1440 900 7006:27
johnnybezakand it said   # 1440x900 @ 70.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 65.59 kHz; pclk: 126.98 MHz06:27
johnnybezak  Modeline "1440x900_70.00"  126.98  1440 1536 1688 1936  900 901 904 937  -HSync +Vsync06:27
johnnybezaknow what do i do?06:27
GnuHippyremove the comment tag06:28
GnuHippythe #06:28
johnnybezakGnuHippy: i didnt put it there06:28
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Rene_Sjohnnybezak, ok go hear and follow the directions there pretty straight forward  http://sh.nu/nvidia/modeline_howto.html06:28
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ChibiOkay, I suppose not. :/06:30
johnnybezakits wierd there is no mention anywhere in my xconfig of the resolution I am running now, only the proper one but its not the one im running now06:30
treason^anyone installed ubuntu on a intel motherboard with integrated graphics/sound?06:30
Rene_SDoes your config have the proper horizontal and vertical number s in the monitor section ?06:30
GnuHippyapt-get is broken for me06:32
GnuHippyI can't get it working again06:32
Rene_Sbroken ?06:32
GnuHippysec06:32
johnnybezakRene_S: ok i put that modeline info in should i restart X06:33
johnnybezakRene_S:?06:33
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Rene_Syeah06:33
Rene_Sjohnnybezak, just like windows hehe restart x06:33
GnuHippyErrors were encountered while processing:06:33
GnuHippy /var/cache/apt/archives/kcontrol_4%3a3.2.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb06:33
GnuHippyE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)06:33
Rene_Soh, mine does that 206:34
GnuHippybut it won't let me install anything06:34
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Rene_Syou need to fix that06:34
Ruffian|JANE|Hi Roblinux06:34
Rene_SI know in synaptic I can choose fix06:34
RobLinuxHi Ruffian06:34
RobLinuxwhat you doing here06:34
Rene_Snot sure how it would be done on the command line06:35
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GnuHippyI got it working06:35
GnuHippyI removed k3b06:35
GnuHippyI can't wait till hoary is more stable!!06:36
Ruffian|JANE|lol, your using Hoary06:36
GnuHippyyeah06:36
Ruffian|JANE|it will be more stable wne ITS ACTUALLY RELEASED!06:36
Ruffian|JANE|=)06:36
Rene_SI cant wait till I dont need to rely on KDE apps06:36
Ruffian|JANE|I love KDE06:36
zenwhenI am looking forward to that as well06:37
hypa7ia_Rene_S, what kde apps are you using?06:37
GnuHippyI gotta have all the latest stuff :)06:37
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zenwhenI would REALLY like to remove everything related ot kde from ym system right now06:37
zenwhento my*06:37
GnuHippyI don't like KDE or Gnome ATM they both have their quirks06:37
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Xenguybob2: bummer, I commented out the eth0 references in /etc/network/interfaces but I still get no ppp0 interface showing up via pppoeconf and when I run ifconfig, or pon :-/06:37
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GnuHippyI like explorer!!06:37
encryptio...06:37
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Rene_Shypa7ia_, Kaffeine for my porn, k3b more music burning and apollon to get my porn .... hehe06:37
genexplorer lol06:37
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zenwhenI use K3b.06:38
GnuHippyTotem-xine is good for pr0n06:38
zenwhenThats it.06:38
zenwhenlol06:38
pdaoustGnuHippy: don't use expletives in this room06:38
Xenguybob2: I really don't know what I am doing wrong, but I think this means the networking interface needs to be improved06:38
RobLinuxyou can use different enviornment with ubuntu?06:38
pdaoustGnuHippy: like 'explorer'06:38
zenwhenXenguy, dialup?06:38
encryptioyeah, it's "unsupported" though06:38
genroblinux: of course06:38
Xenguyzenwhen: DSL/pppoe06:38
zenwhenOh06:38
zenwhennevermind06:38
Rene_SFor some reason the Totem-xine front end always dies on me06:39
RobLinuxgen: I'm dual-booting Yoper and Libranet, and Libranet is family with Ubuntu,06:39
XenguyRobLinux: what does that mean?06:39
pdaoustRene_S: when you run it from the console, do you get any error messages?06:39
GnuHippyYoper.... It is stable for you?06:39
RobLinuxthat means that I'm wondering what I'm gonna do when Libranet 3 comes out is not gonna be free and I wanna stay with a free good sitro debian based06:40
Rene_SHmm dunno never tried running it from a console before hehe odd considering i use that method for all my other misbehaving apps06:40
RobLinuxYes it is its nice!!! I'm using a celeron 634mhz 256mb 20gb06:40
RobLinuxLInux Box06:40
pdaoustRene_S: :-)06:40
RobLinuxStronger, Faster, Stable it must be yoper! thats what it says on the logging :)06:40
XenguyRobLinux: go free - there's no real dilemma there06:40
RobLinuxyea I'm gonna stay with Yoper and might go with Ubuntu ;) since ... Ubuntu and Libranet are the best support I ever gotten06:41
GnuHippyif only I could get DMA working on my drives...06:42
Rene_SI am gonna wait till Andreas gets his website up and releases 2.2 for Gnome06:42
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RobLinuxYea I cant wait for San Andreas either!!!06:42
seek187anyone know how to get the computer icon on the desktop to open with thte command line??\06:42
GnuHippyI am helping with Yoper6406:42
GnuHippylol @ rob06:43
pdaoustseek187: nautilus computer:///06:43
seek187ah thanks!06:43
pdaoustseek187: that is, if you're wanting to do it in Nautilus. If you just want to find the folder in the filesystem, it's actually a magical virtual folder that doesn't exist outside of gnome-vfs06:43
Rene_Shypa7ia_, I was only kidding about the porn btw.06:44
seek187perfect! thats what I wanted06:44
RobLinuxGnuHippy: what you mean you helping with Yoper64?06:44
pdaoustseek187: glad I could help!06:45
hypa7ia_suuuure Rene_S :-)06:45
seek187:)06:45
GnuHippypackaging and artwork06:45
RobLinuxoh you mean for Yoper?06:45
GnuHippyyeah06:45
RobLinuxYoper64 for AMd Athlon 64?06:45
GnuHippybut only the 64 bit build06:45
Rene_Shypa7ia_, Honest, I only watch porn on my tv.  My computer is a Virgin06:45
GnuHippyyes06:45
RobLinuxya ;)06:46
hypa7ia_lol06:46
GnuHippyporn on ur tv??? You buy porn?06:46
Rene_SNo, I steal it off Satellite like other folks06:46
encryptionooooo!06:46
encryptiogood man06:46
GnuHippyic06:46
RobLinuxNice I'll be getting a amd 64 laptop in the near future (few months) so I can have 3 computers :)06:46
RobLinuxAll you folks using Ubuntu ?06:47
Rene_SI am06:47
GnuHippyI am06:47
hypa7ia_i am, on a laptop06:47
pdaoustRobLinux: I am; I just switched from Gentoo on MOnday06:47
RobLinuxGnuHippy let me ask you, Yoper is ok for a intel celeron 634mhz ?06:47
GnuHippyyes06:47
RobLinuxpdaoust: Coool how you like ubuntu?06:47
hypa7ia_RobLinux, think twice before getting an amg64 laptop... you're not gonna have any batt life06:47
Rene_SLapdance ?  What does linux have to do with Lapdance ?06:47
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GnuHippyit is really good on older machines down to p2s06:48
pdaoustRobLinux: (hard drive crashed, and it's my work computer, so I had to get things up and running quick -- none of this three days of compiling anymore ;-)06:48
nab_hello!06:48
TycheI have it installed on laptop and also 70006:48
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RobLinuxhypa7ia : I thought it was better06:48
TycheRobLinux: I think you would be fine with that.06:48
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nab_i love ubuntu :)06:48
Rene_Sjohnnybezak, did that work for ya you were away awhile ?06:48
pdaoustRobLinux: my bad Gentoo habits are hard to get rid of, though; I'm already installing all sorts of fun unstable packages.06:48
wm_eddieXenguy: everything needs a gentoosmite functions :)06:48
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johnnybezakRene_S: hmm i tried putting that into my config file, which worked but it doesnt actually affect my screen res06:48
pdaoustwhat the hell is gentoosmite?06:49
Xenguynab_: if I could get a working net connection, I'd be real happy ;-)06:49
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johnnybezakXenguy: still not working?06:49
Xenguypdaoust: a bot function that 'smites' gentoo users ;-)06:49
Rene_Sjohnnybezak, odd06:49
RobLinuxwhat unstable means?06:49
Rene_Sjohnnybezak, thats how i do mine all the time06:49
johnnybezakRene_S: its being overridden by this little gnome system config tool06:49
Xenguyjohnnybezak: nah, fucked up -- it's probably something stupid, but it still pisses me off06:49
pdaoustxenguy: that's just bloody not fair. what's wrong with us?!?06:49
johnnybezakXenguy: yeah06:50
pdaoustxenguy: oh yeah, I forgot, we're 'ricers'06:50
pdaoust^_^06:50
Xenguypdaoust: this is ubuntu, I'm not running away from gentoo users here, OK ? ;-)06:50
johnnybezakRene_S: do you know where this gnome program gets its screen res numbers from06:50
Dekkardwww.funroll-loops.org06:50
pdaoustheh heh06:50
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pdaoustdekkard: yes, yes, I've seen it06:50
pdaoust:-D06:50
[Quackers] hmmm... hello guys06:50
hypa7ia_RobLinux, no, you're definitely gonna have far worse batt life on an amd64 than on a pentium-m06:50
Rene_Sjohnnybezak, its supposed to get it from you Xorg or Xfree86 config file06:51
johnnybezakRene_S: can i show you my X config file?06:51
nab_hehe xen my connection works but im a noob so i cannot help you ;)06:51
wm_eddiewhat's newer hoary or warty?06:51
[Quackers] I need some help06:51
[Quackers] I'm getting the error "Error loading operating system" after installing ubuntu. The installation process was really smooth, but on reboot my computer wouldn't boot.06:51
Rene_Sjohnnybezak, sure if ya want06:51
GnuHippyalthough AMD64 is much better than regular p4 mobile chips06:51
johnnybezakok ill post it in flood06:51
Xenguynab_: just tell me how you set it up :-)06:51
pdaoustwm_eddie: warty is the first release; hoary is the second06:51
wm_eddieok06:51
wm_eddiehoary is going to have firefox 1.0 soon right?06:52
Xenguynab_: pppoeconf?06:52
nab_i already set it up during installation when it aksed for ip,dns,etc06:52
genwm_eddie: just get it yourself, it's a simple install06:52
wm_eddieI think I'll add hoary to my sources list just to get it.06:52
pdaoustwm_eddie: I've already installed firefox 1.0 RC1 from hoary06:52
Rene_SHmm does no one dl Firefox from mozilla anymore ?06:52
Xenguynab_: hrm06:52
genpdaoust: he means 1.0 not an rc06:52
wm_eddieRene_S: The point of apt it to not have to roll your own packages.06:52
nab_xen its easy for me cause im using a LAN (NAT)06:52
pdaoustgen: ohhhh06:52
pdaoustk06:52
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Rene_Swm_eddie, I dont mozilla makes a nice installer :)06:53
wm_eddieRene_S: Yeah but it still installs to /usr/local/firefox/ doesn't it?06:53
RobLinuxyou folks know whats the difference between apt-get install ... and apt-get -t testing install ?06:53
pdaoust(to whoever is interested) I think the reason I liked Gentoo so much was not the whole compiling crap... I quickly became enamored with simply installing binaries as soon as I installed Ubuntu... I liked Gentoo because of the package manager (that's the reason most like Gentoo). I think deb/apt is quite lovely.06:53
wm_eddiethat's like not cool.06:53
Rene_SNo I install mine in /home/idiotuser/06:54
hypa7ia_obligatory gentoo flame: http://www.eghetto.ca/~msviolet/Humour/gentoo.jpg06:54
genrene_s: you should put in /usr/local/06:54
nab_Is here anyone who can tell me why the hell im only getting 75hz when my monitor makes 100hz? i entered the correct values at frglxconfig06:54
Xenguynab_: yeah, I was thinking DHCP would be a snap (but I'm on static IP at home)06:54
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nab_im using static ip myself06:54
Rene_SNah, Its only there till there is a deb file :)06:55
pdaousthypa7ia_: harsh!!!!!06:55
hypa7ia_i know :-)06:55
Rene_Sthen i do what everyone esle does and apt-get06:55
pdaoustso, guys, tell me: what do people not like about Gentooists?06:55
hypa7ia_i only tease because i love :-)06:55
[Quackers] someone help me please, I'm getting the error "Error loading operating system" after installing ubuntu. The installation process was really smooth, but on reboot my computer wouldn't boot.06:55
pdaoustheh heh06:55
gabriel82has anyone here installed ubuntu on a powerbook?06:55
pdaoust[Quackers] : are you in Windows right now?06:55
hypa7ia_well, pdaoust, the attitude is annoying as !@#$06:55
johnnybezakRene_S: i just pasted it into flood06:55
trans_errgabriel82, yeah?06:55
genquackers, you from sa?06:55
gabriel82trans_err: how's it?06:56
[Quackers] pdaoust, im currently on another computer06:56
[Quackers] yeah gen06:56
wm_eddiepdaoust: the main reason I think is that a few have sent bogus bug reports to countless projects.06:56
genknew it06:56
pdaousthypa71a_: are they, like, stuck up and elitist or something?06:56
trans_errevery works except sleep and 3d accel06:56
Xenguyhypa7ia_: heheh06:56
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stuNNednow i can see why hsfmodem was pulled from the repo's, cuz it is the suxor, who should i file a bug with?  ubuntu?  linuxant?  or both? :D06:56
pdaoustwm_eddie: I'm one of those ^_^ mind you, I submitted a bug to the Gentoo bugzilla, not the... oh wait, no, I sent the bug to the Evo bugzilla too. oops.06:56
Xenguynab_: (please preface your lines with my nick) What you have a static IP and it works for you?! /me wonders what is wrong06:57
wm_eddiepdaoust: And other than that, many have a "3y3m t3h l33t h4x0rz" feeling... if you know what I mean.06:57
pdaoustwm_eddie: yeah, I can appreciate that, I guess ^_^06:57
pdaoustwm_eddie: the bug report I filed turned out not to be an Evo bug at all, but a bug in one of the themes I'd installed off the 'Net. erg. I should go and close it.06:58
Rene_Scrap missed the top section06:58
Rene_Scan you repaste that for me please ?06:58
hypa7ia_pdaoust, yeah, what wm_eddie said.06:58
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wm_eddiepdaoust: gentoo made me realize the importance of submitting but reports to the proper maintainer of your distro, instead of directly to upstream.06:59
pdaoustwm_eddie: are you a convert from Gentoo?06:59
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=== wm_eddie has used gentoo for almost half a year, and hated every second of it.
encryptioam i stupid or a linux man? i just upgraded most of my system to hoary (except gnome, kernels, and apt/dpkg stuff).07:00
Rene_SOnly half an upgrade ?07:00
pdaoustencryptio: you're just a bleeding-edge freak like most of us ^_^07:00
Rene_SYou missing out on the buggy parts07:00
wm_eddieThe last straw was when I needed a VNC client to help my sister with some computer programs... and none would compile.07:00
encryptioonly kde and most of the rest of my stuff i installed from universe07:01
hypa7ia_lol07:01
pdaoustwm_eddie: I really loved Gentoo, but I just couldn't afford to have my computer down for so long anymore. And also I'm really appreciating a distro that 'Just Works'.07:01
wm_eddieThen I thought to myself what the fuck is the point of a package manager that doesn't work!  I was very very angry.07:01
encryptiowell, i like missing the buggy parts! :)07:01
hypa7ia_wm_eddie, i stopped way before you... when in the install i was told to write my own grub script.  i think not.07:01
Rene_Sjohnnybezak, can you repaste the top half of your x file i missed it07:01
pdaoustwm_eddie: I had very few problems with the package manager. It worked for me.07:02
johnnybezakok but the top half doesnt really matter does it?07:02
Rene_Syeah07:02
wm_eddiepdaoust: I'd always find stupid packages that wouldn't build.07:02
Rene_Sit tells me how your monitor is configured07:02
Rene_Sthe bottom part looks right07:02
johnnybezakRene_S ok07:02
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pdaoustheh heh07:03
Rene_SThat was my fear in using FreeBSD07:03
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hypa7ia_my fear with freebsd as just drivers.  drivers are the bane of my existence07:04
fhobiahow do i install mozilla-suite ?07:04
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Adrenalthat inbox monitor for the panel07:05
Adrenalis there anyway to make it check more then one pop3 account?07:05
Rene_SWomen are the bane of my existance07:05
Adrenalcos gmail is about to get pop307:05
johnnybezakRene_S: there you go07:05
pdaoustI dunno, Rene, they're kinda cute ^_^07:05
Rene_Sjohnnybezak, merci07:06
pdaoustanyway, folks, I have to go to bed -- cya07:06
Rene_SCute ?07:06
johnnybezakRene_S: de rien07:06
Adrenalanyone?07:06
pdaoustRene_S: yep, cute07:06
Rene_SAfter 37 years there not cute anymore07:06
Rene_Sthere old07:06
pdaoustRene_S: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh... my condolences :D07:06
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hondo_sanStupid question from a KDE on FreeBSD person, but after I install packages from either CLI or gui, should I expect to immediately see them in the applications menu, or is there some GNome MoJo I need07:07
Rene_Sjohnnybezak, that parts ok, next part has the monitor and vid card peice07:07
AdrenalGNOME SUCKS07:07
Rene_Sthats the critical part07:07
Adrenalnow that i have your attention07:07
hypa7ia_hondo_san, sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't07:08
Adrenalcan i make the mail check check more then one account?07:08
pdaoustAdrenal: hush, such language07:08
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pdaoustand blaspheny07:08
hypa7ia_Adrenal, tried synaptic?07:08
Adrenallooked there, but way too many apps to scroll through07:08
pdaoustAdrenal: what mail checker are you using? GNOME mail checker?07:08
pdaoustxbiff?07:08
Adrenalwas wondering if anyone could send me in the right direction07:08
Adrenalyeh, using the gnome07:08
Rene_Sjohnnybezak, Your horizontal and vertical refresh dont go as high as 8507:09
johnnybezakRene_S: there you go07:09
hypa7ia_Adrenal, it's in synaptics, just search for mozilla07:10
pdaoustAdrenal: doesn't look like it; what I'd do is just use multiple instances of the applet and configure each one for a different account...07:10
Adrenalyeh07:10
pdaoustAdrenal: kinda cheesy solution, but hey -- it works!07:10
Adrenalthats what i was thinking07:10
Adrenalis there anyway to put in custom animations then?07:10
Rene_Sthats the problem, your modeline is set for 85 hz and neither you vertical or you horizontal support that07:10
Rene_Sare you sure your monitor settings are correct ?07:10
johnnybezakthe refresh rates?07:11
seek187wow gdesklets takes up lots of ram07:11
Rene_Syeah look at them 28-72 and 43-6007:11
pdaoustAdrenal: I think all you hafta do is drop the custom animations into /usr/share/pixmaps/mailcheck07:11
Adrenalthanks07:12
pdaoustAdrenal: then they'll appear in your list, under Preferences07:12
johnnybezakok so i have to make the hz to what 60?07:12
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Rene_SDunno whatever you monitor supports, do you have the book for it or something telling you what the specs are ?07:12
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johnnybezakRene_S: im on a mac, so no manual, but I could have a look on the net07:13
Adrenalthanks everyone07:13
encryptiojohnny: what computer?07:13
Rene_Sjohnnybezak, yeah  try and find the spec for horizontal and vertical .  plugging in the wrong values can hurt the monitor07:14
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Rene_Sjohnnybezak, for instance i know mine is 32-92 and 55-16007:14
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encryptioand mine 30-180, 30-18007:15
encryptio(lcd)07:15
johnnybezakRene_S: hmm i think there wrong07:15
johnnybezakRene_S: i found some other ones on the net ill give them a go07:15
Rene_Sjohnnybezak, k07:15
RobLinuxwhat program is there to download music with linux ? ubuntu/libranet?07:15
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encryptiogtk-gnutella is my choice, but giftui is good too07:16
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encryptio^@roblinux07:16
RobLinuxhmm let me try them both i havent heard of them07:16
RobLinuxencyptio?07:16
bitserfis there an xcompmgr package?07:16
Rene_SI use Apollon07:16
Rene_SIts has all 3 networks i like07:16
encryptioyeah, roblinux?07:16
RobLinuxoh you said ^@ me :-p07:17
hypa7ia_RobLinux, try soulseek07:17
Lathiat_bitserf: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/07:17
Rene_Sor Nicotene07:17
Rotunddoes anyone know if there will be a release in ubuntu for the new nvidia drivers?07:17
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bitserflathiat: thanks muchly :)07:17
=== encryptio wonders if it's safe to upgrade the compiler to hoary
bigtonyquestion: anyone using an old isa card with ubuntu. I can't get my isa nic to link07:17
johnnybezakagh copy paste arent workin what the crap07:18
encryptioanother idea for you bigtony: have you tried a different crossover cable?07:18
Rene_Shmm Gnome sucks for cut and paste07:18
bigtonycrossover cable works07:18
bigtonyif i put it in pci card07:18
bigtonypci to pci worksfine07:19
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bigtonysame here all i can think of is pnp mode needs to be disabled07:19
bigtonybut i don't know how07:19
Ruffian|JANE|Cant I add debian repositories in synaptic??07:19
bigtonyyou add it to the sources.list as far as i know07:19
Rene_SHere is a new idea for ya encryptio -- sharks with lasers on there heads :)07:20
encryptiosettings->repositories for a gui method07:20
Ruffian|JANE|well, there is a menu in synaptic wher ou can add repositories07:20
RotundI use the menu it works07:20
RobLinuxwho here is a heavy windows user that just transfered into linux ? (ubuntu)07:20
hypa7ia_Rene_S, nicotine is a frontend for soulseek07:21
encryptioRuffian|JANE|, you caan, but it's "unsupported". and it might trash your install as well.07:21
Ruffian|JANE|RobLinux, I am07:21
RobLinuxI am and I wanted to know what are the things  I need to get to make my linux as complete as possible and leave my windows behind07:21
RobLinuxoh yea Ruffian ;) I know you :-p07:21
Ruffian|JANE|lol07:21
RotundRobLinux: mplayer w/ w32codecs07:21
genroblinux: i got vlc, mplayer, azureus, first day i installed..basically everything i need heh07:21
RobLinuxhow do I get that rotund07:21
Rene_Shypa7ia_, oh, and are trying to call me dumb then ??? Hehe07:21
RobLinuxyea I need codecs07:22
gendo a google rob07:22
genplenty of guides07:22
encryptiobigtony: keep trying different days and hours.. you might find a guy that knows the answer. that's how i got my 3ddesktop fixed.07:22
RotundRobLinux: In synaptic, enable universe and add multiverse to it07:22
bigtonygood deal07:22
bigtonyi gotta fix this monitor i think its tube is screwed07:22
hypa7ia_lol, Rene_S, no :-p07:22
gencrt's are so 1980's07:22
Rene_Sthat may be but mine still works07:23
bigtonyenabl: whats a good font to use in here07:23
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bigtonyerr07:23
bigtonyencryptio07:23
RotundRobLinux: Add "ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/" "testing" "main" to the repositories and w32codecs is in there07:23
RobLinuxROtund I'm liking console better :) i do apt-get -t testing install07:23
RobLinuxthanks07:23
RobLinuxlets see how i learn to add it :-p07:24
Rotundthere one called flash-nonfree, get that07:24
Rotund(flash support)07:24
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Rotundmplayerplug-in is good07:24
Rene_Shypa7ia_, Ok, cause if you were I would tell ya to get in line there are plenty of folks ahead of ya that call me dumb :)07:24
genroblinux: can add by, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list07:24
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bitserfyes! drop shadow windows :)07:24
RotundI'm sorry.  mozilla-mplayer07:25
RobLinuxRotund, I'm using Libranet at the moment but im also a ubuntu user :)07:25
encryptioyea, bigt?07:25
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RotundRobLinux: okay07:25
bigtonywhats a good font combo to use in here07:25
bigtonymy eyes are going retarded :)07:25
bitserfdon't suppose there are accelerated ATI drivers for 6.8 yet?07:26
RotundRobLinux: I don't know what sort of stuff you normally use.  Ubuntu hit most of the basics outside the illegal video players07:26
hypa7ia_bigtony, try the Bitstream Vera ones07:27
bigtonywhat font size ?07:27
bigtonyand thanks07:27
encryptioi stick with the default monospace-thing, but just experiment. and remember this: the current (warty) xchat has to show a new line before it changes the font07:27
Rene_SThey work for me07:27
Rene_SI use 11 or 1207:27
encryptio9.. here07:27
RotundRobLinux: It sounds like mplayer-custom includes the w32codecs... dunno if this is true07:28
stuNNedbigtony, MonoSpace 14 here07:28
Rene_Sat 9 my eyes would jsut go retarded07:28
bigtonyyeah let me try monospace 1407:28
bigtonythis isn't cuttin it07:28
Chibi8. :/07:28
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ChibiI used 6pt when I was using windows. :o07:28
bigtonyyeah that much better07:28
johnnybezakRene_S: Ok that worked07:28
bigtonyi can see again ;)07:28
ChibiI'm a 2 inch from monitor kinda person.07:29
RobLinuxanyone here tried Yoper, Libranet, Mandrake 10.1, SLackware 10.0, Ubuntu ? and can help me compare them to see which 1 has more goods than bad, because to my conclusion each distro has its good and bad things, which would fit best for a home/personal user07:29
RotundRobLinux: Nope.  it's not07:29
Rene_Sjohnnybezak, cool ill send ya my bill in the mail hehe07:29
RobLinuxThanks ROtund let me try07:29
bigtonyso your that guy that makes the artwork on the head of a nail07:29
johnnybezakRene_S: haha07:29
Rene_SI used Yoper Mandrake and this one07:29
ChibiRobLinux - Slackware probably isn't comparable as a desktop to the rest.07:29
johnnybezakwell at least it changed, the numbers are wrong though07:29
genroblinux: you'll find a biased view in here07:29
genbad place to ask07:29
RotundRobLinux: I definitely prefer Ubuntu to all except LibraNet (which I haven't useD)07:29
Rene_SYoper is fast but short on packages07:29
ChibiI've used slackware since I started Linux07:29
johnnybezakbecause my screen has warped sideways07:29
johnnybezakhaha07:29
bitserfbigtony: ProFont is a nice monospace font07:30
Rene_SMandrake is bloated but good support07:30
bitserfbigtone: i find the .pcf version much clearer at 1600x1200 tho07:30
bigtonyalright thanks will try that07:30
Rene_Sthis is nice but gnome based07:30
RobLinuxwhat you mean CHibi, slackware isnt comparable?07:30
johnnybezakMandrake is good, control center works well07:30
Rene_Snot everyone likes gnome07:30
bitserfbigtony: google for "ProFont", should be the first hit07:30
RotundRobLinux: Mandrake has really nice guis for setups.  Ubuntu and Libranet have apt-get and a huge repository (I assume libra net does)07:30
ChibiYou don't want slackware unless everyone in your house is used to text-editing settings. :P07:30
bigtonyalright07:30
ChibiIt isn't fine tuned for desktop use.07:30
RobLinuxya07:30
holycowchibi?07:30
holycowchibi?07:31
holycowchibifont?07:31
Chibi? o_o07:31
RotundRobLinux: I'm personally a GNOME guy that wants bleeding edge w/o wasting time compiling everything (Gentoo)07:31
holycownot the shame chibi from efnet i guess :)07:31
holycowehe07:31
holycowsorry07:31
RobLinuxLibranet and Ubuntu should be cousins, only that Ubuntu might get more users since its free and its gonna get me07:31
ChibiOn efnet I'm ChibiCng07:31
holycowever run into chibifont?07:31
ChibiNo.07:31
holycowwell obviously your not the same dude07:31
holycowehe sorry about that :)07:31
ChibiHolyCOW!07:32
holycow<-- right here07:32
holycow>_>07:32
RotundRobLinux: biggest issue I've seen w/ Mandrake is the RPM system (have they gotten it better yet?) and the all gui editing of settings means that when the GUI messes up a setting, you have no idea how to fix it.07:32
RobLinuxWEll I'm a newbie so I needed something I can change around as my knowledge increases, so right now I'm liking Ubuntu (havent done much there), but been with Libranet more and YOper its nice and whatever but nobody to ask for help there ... Mandrake/Slackware problems with isntallation07:32
bitserfbigtony: http://xeraph.org/profont.png (had to show off drop-shadows :P)07:32
Rene_SI only ever tried Minislack once and when none of my main hd was detected  i gave up07:33
ChibiSlackware's installation is EASY. >.>07:33
bigtonyhaha07:33
bigtonyok let me get it there07:33
holycowbitserf, running xorg i guess?07:33
RobLinuxI dont like all that gui stuff especially with my slow system celeron 634mhz 256mb gui 24/7 is gonna slow it down once in a while its fine i'm using x system right now ,07:33
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bitserfhell yeah :)07:33
holycowi like plain jane debian07:33
GammaRayRobLinux: "the RPM system"? I've seen nothing wrong w/ it.07:33
encryptiobitserf: how'd you get that drop shadow thing?07:33
holycowits slow but stable and steady07:33
GammaRayRotund: "the RPM system"? I've seen nothing wrong w/ it.07:33
encryptioi want osx stuff07:33
GammaRayI meant Rotund07:34
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holycowslow development time i mean!07:34
holycowdoh!07:34
RobLinuxslackware installation wasnt that hard but when it ended it would jus come up in a GRUB_ screen maybe I should of saved the boot to a floppy07:34
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ChibiSlackware uses LILO.07:34
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genlilo blows07:34
Rene_Sdebian isnt the only thing with slow development time, look at MS 25 years and still no OS that works.07:34
ChibiThere's nothing wrong with Lilo.07:35
holycowRene_S, rofl :)07:35
Chibi:/07:35
holycowthats a damn good point there07:35
Lathiat_Rene_S: heh07:35
bitserfencryptio: upgrade to hoary, enable Composite and RENDER extensions in xorg.conf, restart x, and then run xcompmgr -c &07:35
encryptiohoary...07:35
encryptiono wway to do in in xf86?07:35
bitserfencryptio: xcompmgr from here: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/07:36
Rene_SOh oh Uncle Billy is gonna take away my Office certification now ...07:36
bitserfencryptio: nope07:36
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ChibiYou will. :P07:36
Rene_SMaybe its just me but I find Hoary not that bad07:36
encryptiobut.. but..07:36
Lathiat_if you want non sucky drop shadows (i.e. off the bottom edge not all around) "xcompmgr -c -l 0 -t 0 -r 5 -f" and add -C if you dont want shadows on the panel, but then maximizing windows cover the panel, its a trade-off.07:36
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Rene_Smind you i dont run wierd hardware either07:37
Chibi75% chance a dist-upgrade will screw you. :P07:37
encryptioheh07:37
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stuNNedChibi, lol07:37
encryptioi've had my knowledge to stay clear of dist-upgrade07:37
gendist-upgrade was fine for me07:37
encryptiounless i'm only warty main07:37
Rene_SIf you arent reinstalling every day your not worthy of being Leet hehe07:38
encryptiowhich i'm not07:38
bitserflathiat: hmm, i guess the WM needs to know about the compmgr before panel won't be maximized over any more?07:38
encryptioi could give a crap about being "leet"07:38
seek187where is the xorg.conf at?07:38
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ChibiRene_S- It's about once a week, for me. I get in moods where I like to distrobution flop alot. :o07:38
encryptiobitserf: is there a way to, store my current setup?07:39
holycowencryptio, you may not want to be "leet" but sure you want to be "l33t"?07:39
Rene_SI was only being funny, every one has there own comfort level, I know nothing about linux and I dont mind crapping out my system07:39
holycow>_>07:39
bitserfhmm, i've still not quite figured out where to put commands for gnome to run every time i log in... :|07:39
JDahljust curious... Warty was just released, runs smoothly with a lot of new packages. What does hoary offer that you cannot live without?07:39
encryptioholycow: not even "l33t" or even "1337"07:39
holycow/etc/init.d i think bitserf ?07:39
encryptiothat's startup07:40
bitserfholycow: no, thats for system services07:40
ChibiJDahl- There are times when I miss xorg. :/07:40
encryptiothere are  times i want to just fuck up linux07:40
Rene_SHoary offers me the chance to break something and then come in here and whine about it07:40
encryptioit pisses me off a lot07:40
encryptioheh07:40
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Lathiat_bitserf: well really the compositing stuff should be in the window manager07:40
Lathiat_bitserf: xcompmgr is more of a demo07:40
ChibiI get angry at myself for borking things sometimes07:40
encryptiobaah. it works.07:41
holycowencryptio, oh thats like ?ber133707:41
ChibiBecause I always forget to backup my /very/ tweaked wine install :/07:41
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encryptioi've backed up a total of 0 times in my life07:42
holycowencryptio, look into bacul07:42
holycowbacula even07:42
holycowits fairly sophisticated, client for win, lin, osx i think07:42
encryptiowhoa07:42
Chibiencrytptio - put a ~ in front of the folders you want to keep. :P07:42
encryptiocool07:42
JDahlChibi, back when I was younger I also forgot to have /home (or /usr/local) on a separate partition, so I wouldnt lose all my stuff when I upgraded07:42
RobLinuxbrb folks07:42
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ChibiI don't like seperate partitions.07:43
encryptiowell what if i don't want to get another iso to burn?07:43
genwhats the command to change current user to root access, such as not having to use sudo all the time07:43
Lathiat_gen: sudo -s07:43
JDahlgen, you just add "nopasswd" to /etc/sudoers07:43
encryptiowhoa.. scary07:43
ChibiTo me, another partition only exists for a completely diffrent operating system.07:43
encryptioJDahl: you're a  windows convert, rihgt?07:44
ChibiI deal with too many large files.07:44
encryptiolike dvds07:44
JDahlencryptio, what gave me away?07:44
encryptio?07:44
seek187Why don't I have a xorg.conf file?07:44
encryptioJDahl: you're amazing concern for security.07:44
ChibiYeah. I keep backups of all of my discs :/07:44
holycowbitserf, ohhhh okay thanks for the tip, i didn't know that07:44
genencry: it's your07:44
gen:)07:44
ChibiMy box is a shuttle, and I don't like to carry extra crap around with me.07:45
JDahlencryptio, adding nopasswd to sudoers doesnt disable it for all users, just for me...07:45
encryptioi know... but still07:45
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encryptioroot access needs to be at least password protected, no matter what (in my mind)07:45
=== encryptio doesn't want linux to be the windows-security-model
hypa7ia_encryptio: not enabled != no password07:46
encryptioeh?07:47
encryptioi'm thinking nopasswd means "don't ask for a password"07:47
holycowchibi i agree with you, i don't see the need for separate partitions either, unless its a large serve with many users07:47
hypa7ia_the way ubuntu is setup, where you need to enable the root account....07:48
holycowotherwise a simple backup of home dir saves the hassle of getting yoru partition 'guess' wrong, cuz i can never guess right how much os space i really need07:48
Chibiroot account seriously isn't /needed/07:48
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holycowi beg to differ there :)07:48
holycowehe07:48
JDahlencryptio, did you change ubuntu to ask for password every time you use it?07:48
JDahlsudo, I mean07:48
ChibiYou can just have a sudo terminal open. :o07:48
holycowi consider root as a failsafe07:49
encryptioJDahl: only if sudo hasn't been used in the last minute07:49
holycowof course one ought to rename root to something else as the uid of 0 or whatever will retain root priviledges still07:49
encryptiosuccessfully, at least07:49
ChibiCan't you extend sudo's life?07:49
encryptioor shorten it07:49
encryptioeither way07:49
encryptioyes07:49
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nab_hello again07:50
stuNNedJDahl, you can `sudo -s` to stay in a root shell as long as you like.07:51
nab_i wanna access some shared folders on a windows(xp) pc, but ubuntu tells me i dont have the rights to do so. but why doesnt ask it for the password+username??07:52
JDahlencryptio, how about using ssh with pgp to avoid typing password when connecting to a different machine... that's a bad windows habit also?07:52
stuNNednab_, i get the same error with smbclient and gnome-vfs_whatever :\07:52
nab_:(07:52
encryptioJDahl: if it's root, yeah07:52
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stuNNedshared keys for normal user works with ssh07:53
nab_i also tried smb://myname:mypass@192.168.xx.xx/ but that doesnt work either07:53
stuNNedlike irc, imho never ssh as root07:53
JDahlI wasnt talking about root07:53
JDahlbut anyway, I agree security matters - Im just lazy07:54
NetSurfAUbob2: (Sorry for long delay - had unexpected visitors) The documentation on the CD (burned from ISO) mentions something about using some floppy images from the Debian download site(s).  I searched through the Debian "floppy image" directories, but couldn't work out which was the one that would alow me to get Ubu to load from my PCMCIA CD-ROM drive.07:56
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DeepSeaAntis hoary using X.ORG yet?07:56
crimsunyes, as of two days ago07:57
DeepSeaAntnice07:57
Rene_Syes, yes it is07:57
stuNNednab_, we could file a bug, what type of windows machine are you trying to connect to?07:57
DeepSeaAntill need to update it07:57
DeepSeaAnthmm07:57
nab_windowsxp07:58
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nab_i heard it should wokr with the linneighborhood program07:58
nab_im installing it right now07:58
hypa7ia_hey, anyone using gnupg?07:59
crimsunhypa7ia_: yes.07:59
hypa7ia_is there a gui for it anywhere?  last time i set it up a friend walked me through it, and i'm kinda lost :-/07:59
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hypa7ia_gnupg08:01
hypa7ia_oops08:01
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nab_yeah it does work with linneighborhood08:10
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stuNNednab_, did you install samba or just smbmount and samba-common?08:10
nab_i selected linneigborhood from the synaptic install list, one click thats all :))08:12
stuNNednab_, with linneighborhood selecting smbfs, ah ok than :)08:12
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muylokodid anyone recieve the cd?08:13
stuNNednab_, did you 'Enable Windows Networking' in network-admin?08:13
|trey|Would the fact that Applications > System Tools > Shares doesn't run with sudo be classified as a bug?08:13
|trey|(This is hoary...)08:13
muylokowill wireless work with ubuntu?08:14
nab_i didnt enable anything hehe08:14
|trey|muyloko: more then likely, yes08:14
hypa7ia_muyloko: the first print run was just shipped08:14
hypa7ia_muyloko: it's working for me :-)08:14
encryptiohow do i perrmanently kill the x server? like to kill and not come back?08:14
|trey|Anyone know about the "Shares" tool? (share-admin)?08:14
muylokocool08:14
genwhat about it trey08:15
muylokomandrake sucks in wireless08:15
|trey|encryptio: /etc/init.d/gdm stop08:15
|trey|gen: doesn't run with sudo, would this be a bug?08:15
|trey|muyloko: cool, this isn't mandrake...08:15
gendid you do sudo shares-admin08:15
|trey|gen: I had to change the command to that to use the tool yes...08:15
JDahlencryptio, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop, even ;)08:15
|trey|gen: by default it doesn't issue sudo though...08:15
seek187Where do I get xcompmgr at?08:16
crimsunhypa7ia_: usually a program will call gnupg as necessary, like mutt does when you configure it thusly08:16
genyes, it's a bug08:16
|trey|JDahl: bah, I always forget to add that part  ;)08:16
gendoesnt in the menu08:16
muylokoother question: when i set a new partition in ubuntu installation, will delete the current information stored in the other partitions08:16
crimsun01:36 < bitserf> encryptio: xcompmgr from here: deb08:16
crimsun          http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/08:16
|trey|gen: its already reported?08:16
seek187thanks08:16
gennot sure trey08:16
genneeds to be08:16
genits in warty and hoary08:16
Ruffian|JANE|Whory Hedgehog =)08:17
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seek187crimsun, can I put that in my sources.list or will it work?08:20
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seek187n/m08:25
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volvoguyhi everybody08:36
pepsihi08:37
volvoguyhey, there were a few people recommending SWAT for configuring Samba the other day. in the warty, the SWAT package says that it depends on an older version of Samba and therefore won't install. Matt Z. said the package could be updated if somebody changes the dependencies (as it's in universe). this is my official plea if there's anyone here that knows how to do that. :-)08:40
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matsonhello08:41
volvoguyhi matson08:42
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matsoni have broblem with ntpd..08:42
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matsoncan i get somehelp with it?08:43
volvoguyi don't think i can help with that one matson.08:43
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matsonok..08:43
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nab_nuja, adios08:47
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JDahlmatson, just ask your question... otherwise how do we know if we can help?08:49
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seek187After enabling xcompmgr -c in xorg now all the windows go over my gnome panels... Is there any way to stop that?08:52
oddabe19killall gnome-panel08:52
Lathiatseek187: yes, dont use xcompmgr08:53
Lathiatyou have to restart X to make it go away as well08:53
oddabe19Lathiat, no you don't08:53
Lathiatyes you do08:53
matsoni made this: apt-get install ntp -> ok then i tried to start ntpd but it dosent work08:53
seek187Ahhh the killall thing worked :)08:53
Lathiatoh restarting gnomepanel08:54
Lathiatyeh guess that would work08:54
oddabe19like i said... you don't HAVE to08:54
oddabe19:-P08:54
seek187Nice now how do I get it to start up before the gnome panels load?08:54
oddabe19seek187, go into sessions and add program08:54
seek187in the startup?08:55
oddabe19no08:55
alakdantried installing enligthenment, how do I put it on gdm sessions choice?08:55
oddabe19Computer => Desktop Preferences => sessions08:55
jdubno, that's not it08:55
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seek187ohh and ad a session?08:55
oddabe19seek187, no, goto startup programs08:55
seek187lol08:56
seek187k08:56
oddabe19add xcompmgr -c and set the number to like 4008:56
oddabe19but composite and xcompmgr are extremely shady and buggy right now08:56
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JDahlmatson, do you get any error messsages when you start ntpd? (and are you running Warty?)08:56
seek187ok08:56
matsonbash: ntpd: command not found08:56
seek187well if it gets to bad I will take it off08:56
seek187pretty neat tho08:57
JDahlmatson: I think you need to install ntpserver also... (you probably used apt-get and didnt install recommended packages, right?)08:57
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matsonyes warty...what is the name of that package?08:58
alakdanwhere does gdm look for available window managers ?08:59
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Heisenbergevening: could I get a helping hand regarding the network setup?08:59
nevynalakdan: umm it's probably managed by alternatives... why?08:59
alakdannevyn: I installed enlightenment and its not showing on gdm sessions09:00
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matsonJDahl, i did not find ntpd or similar package...09:00
JDahlmatson, I dont think you're supposed to run ntpd yourself... try "sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart"09:00
JDahlmatson, I was probably wrong - but I remember installing ntp + ntpserver on debian09:01
oddabe19alakdan, go into .xsession and add 'exec enlightenment'09:01
JDahlmatson, then do "ps -ef | grep ntpd" to see if it is running09:02
Heisenbergmy machine starts up DHCP and automatically gets a IP number assigned. Unfortunately it also gets a DNS server IP assigned that equals the gateway. Now, I have changed /etc/resolv.conf a couple of times, but Ubuntu always boots up using the wrong DNS number. Any ideas??09:03
TreenaksHeisenberg: two options: fix the DHCP server, or edit /etc/dhclient.conf09:03
matsonJDahl, this:09:03
matsonoops..root@ubuntu:/home/mika # ps -ef | grep ntpd09:04
matsonroot     23380 17071  0 10:03 pts/4    00:00:00 grep ntpd09:04
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alakdanoddabe19: enlightenment is already there. does it mean on gdm sessions it will be listed?09:04
Heisenbergwhat does dhclient.conf do?09:04
oddabe19yes09:04
oddabe19alakdan, just log out09:05
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alakdanok, ill try that.09:05
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JDahlmatson, then I am out of ideas - you installed ntp and ntpdate?09:06
oddabe19matson, try this sudo ntpdate subitaneous.cpsc.ucalgary.ca09:07
matsonJDahl, yes..i hawe done this many times in mdk and debian...09:07
oddabe19and see if it works09:07
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matsonJDahl, does it work in your computer?09:08
matsonwith ubuntu09:08
JDahlmatson, yes, from the basic installation09:09
oddabe19alakdan, did that work09:09
oddabe19?09:09
alakdanoddabe19: nope, enlightenment is not listed on the sessions , only xfce and the default Gnome09:10
matsonJDahl, strange...ok thanks...i have to take maybe base-config again..09:10
oddabe19hmmm.... beats the hell outa me then... if you added exec enlightenment to .xsession it should be there09:10
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TaurendilI love ubuntu, it has converted me from W!nD@w$, but my bootup is taking forever09:28
Taurendilit catches on the network interfaces and on the hotplug and each takes about a minute or more09:28
Taurendilanyone have any thoughts?09:29
hypa7ia_that sucks, Taurendil.  i'm having a few issues with hotplug too... maybe ask on the mailing list?09:30
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TaurendilI may have to try that09:31
mercurusgretings all09:31
Taurendilhello09:31
Taurendildo you know much about slow boot times mercurus?09:31
b_e_n_zTaurendil, what is your cpu09:31
TaurendilI have issues iwth hotplug and network09:31
Taurendil1.8 GHz P4 notebook09:32
b_e_n_zTaurendil, hyperthreading capable?09:32
Taurendilno09:32
b_e_n_zTaurendil, are you using the stock kernel?09:32
Taurendilabout 2 years old09:32
Taurendilwhatever comes in the automatic install09:32
b_e_n_zTaurendil, ok09:33
punkasshave you got wireless set to auto..so it tries to find a dhcp server to connect to?09:33
b_e_n_zTaurendil, just want to say that if you want hyperthreading/smp, you need to download the smp kernel09:33
punkassthat will hang the networking thing..till it times out the search09:33
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Taurendilit's set to use my specific SiteID I believe09:34
Taurendilhow should I check that?09:34
punkassopen a terminal and do: cat /etc/network/interfaces09:35
punkassand if u see: auto wlan0 or auto eth0 that means its going to look on boot up09:35
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TaurendilDo I just edit out that line?09:35
Taurendilit is there09:36
punkassif you dont want it to start your network on boot up then yes you can comment that line out09:36
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punkassor on boot up you can just Ctrl-C past it i believe09:36
Taurendilwell, I want it to start, just not to take forever, and to use my site instead of searching09:37
punkassdo u have wireless and lan on our notebook?09:37
punkassour=your09:37
Taurendilyup09:37
Taurendiland that's what I use09:37
punkassi meant wireless and wired09:38
Taurendilyes, I have both, but usually use the wireless09:38
punkassok so comment out the eth0 so that it doesnt search for your wired network on boot up09:38
punkassjust the auto eth0 line tho09:39
TaurendilOh, I see, I was confused, eth0 is my wireless, and eth1 wired, but that makes sense, I'll take  out the eth1 auto09:39
punkassor you can use Computer > System Config > Networking09:39
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punkassand just uncheck "Activate when the computer starts"09:39
punkasssometimes i forget about the gui way to do thing :)09:40
TaurendilLOL09:40
Taurendilthanks a million09:40
punkassnp09:40
TaurendilI should have figured that out09:40
punkassso if you want to use wired you can just go there...and hit Activate09:40
TaurendilI'm a computer networking major, sometimes I'm a little slow09:40
punkasshehe09:41
punkassjust not used to gui tools like that in linux09:41
Taurendilany clue on the hotplug delay?09:41
punkasshmm not really...can u tell what hotplug is trying to do when it hangs?09:41
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Taurendilnope it gave one error on the floppy i don't have, but I put that in the blacklist09:42
Taurendilit didn't help any09:42
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Taurendilit's just when it's booting09:42
nab_hi me.. again..09:42
Taurendilhello09:42
punkassmaybe try and track it down in /var/log/messages?09:43
TaurendilI'll check09:43
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nab_im totally confused about the kernels. i wanna update it using synaptic but im not sure what kernel i need. i have a amd_xp_2800+, is that k7 or 686?? :(09:43
punkass cat /var/log/messages|grep hotplug gives me a few results09:43
punkassi thought ubuntu only had one kernel09:44
nab_is there a tool that tells me what version my cpu is?09:44
deFrysknab , get linux-k709:44
nab_Roger that!09:44
Taurendilit is just pci_hotplug and cpci_hotplug09:44
deFrysksudo apt-get install linux-k709:44
nab_i hope thats giving me a bit improvement over the default 386 build ;))09:45
punkassyeah thats all i have too09:45
deFrysknab_, hardly , but some09:45
Taurendilis yours slow at boot there?09:45
nab_mine? no09:46
deFrysknab_, its the thought that counts ;)09:46
nab_hehe09:46
punkassno that i noticed09:46
punkassno=not09:46
Taurendilhmm... are those just used for hotplugging, or do some devices rely on them?09:46
Taurendiland does the usb rely on them09:46
nab_but anyway, is there a tool or something that exactly tells me the cpus name/title/etc ?09:46
deFryskKernel: Linux 2.6.8.1-3-k7 | Distro: Debian/GNU 3.1 | CPU: AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2200+ @ 1801 Mhz | Mem usage: 139.9/250.8 MB (56%) | Swap usage: 0.3/478.4 MB (0%) | Disk usage(ST340016A): 21.7/31.7 GB (68%) | Uptime: 1 hr 30 mins 22 secs09:46
deFrysklike so ?09:46
spacey`kiHostname: ki - OS: Linux 2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic/x86_64 - CPU: AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3000+ (797.949 MHz) - Processes: 133 - Uptime: 1d 19h 55m - Load Average: 0.00 - Memory Usage: 378.53MB/496.12MB (76.30%) - Disk Usage: 31.86GB/44.90GB (70.96%)09:47
spacey`ki:p09:47
deFrysk:D09:47
nab_because i found this one on ubuntu forum: sudo apt-get install linux-686 for newer Intel/AthlonXP09:47
punkassTaurendil: to be honest i am not really sure..havent looked much into hotplug09:47
deFrysknab_, xp processors use k-709:48
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spacey`kibut they also run 68609:48
punkassdeFrysk: what was that command?09:48
deFrysk /sinfo09:48
Taurendilthank you for your help, the network edit will cut my boot time in half09:48
spacey`ki /sysinfo ;)09:48
punkassno prob09:48
nab_but 686 isnt much better than k7, right? just wanna be sure hehe09:48
punkassdeFrysk: thanks09:48
spacey`kinab_, if you have athlon take k709:48
nab_okay then, thanks!09:49
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deFrysknot sysinfo09:49
punkassok where is sinfo09:49
spacey`kidoesn't seem to matter much09:49
spacey`kii just got mine from scripts page of xchat.org09:49
deFryskhttp://www.xs4all.nl/~masterpe/Perl/sinfo.pl09:50
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punkassah thanks..thought it was a system command09:50
deFryskX.org: 6.8.0 | Monitor: C1770NSL/NST | Videocard: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro]  | Res: 1280x1024, 16-bits | X-chat: 2.4.009:50
deFrysknice eh ?09:50
deFrysk;p09:50
TreenaksdeFrysk: only 16-bit ?09:50
nab_alrighty, im getting the kernel update and will be right back, cya!09:51
b_e_n_ztnt2??? still working???09:51
deFryskTreenaks, plenty fot my old card ;009:51
punkassKernel: Linux 2.6.8.1-2-386 | Distro: Debian/GNU 3.1 | CPU: AMD Athlon(tm)  @ 1666 Mhz | Mem usage: 242.3/504.5 MB (48%) | Swap usage: 2.7/488.2 MB (1%) | Disk usage(Maxtor 6E040L0): 5.2/37.2 GB (14%) | Uptime: 1 day 5 hrs 31 mins 50 secs09:51
deFryskok nuff flooding 4 2day :D09:52
punkasshow did u do the video stuff?09:54
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bluewheelpunkass, what video stuff ?09:55
punkassdeFrysk: just showed some video specs with the sinfo.pl script09:56
thriftDoes anyone here have a hpt374 controller working under ubuntu?09:56
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punkassah got it09:58
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punkassX.org: 6.8.0 | Monitor: BenQ FP731 | Videocard: nVidia Corporation NV35 [GeForce FX 5900XT]  | Res: 2304x1024, 24-bits |10:01
punkass:)10:01
Treenaks2304x1024 ???10:02
punkassdual monitors...and 17"lcd and 17"crt10:02
punkassone is 1280x1024 other is 1024x76810:02
sid77omg, the weirdest thing I've ever seen10:02
Treenakssid77: ?10:03
sid77dual monitor 17"10:03
sid77incredible! :)10:03
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punkasslol..well i got a new 17"lcd so i figured why let this other monitor sit around10:03
b_e_n_zpunkass, twinview?10:04
punkassyeah ive been eyein up some wide screen laptops...they are ppretty nice10:04
punkassyup10:04
sid77lol, the funniest thing is also combining an lcd and a crt10:04
punkassyeah the lcd makes my crt look like ass10:04
sid77ahahhahaha10:04
punkassbut it will soon go and be replaced with a new lcd10:05
punkasshopefully sooner than later10:05
Elwoodi used two monitor...not so funny :)10:05
punkassi could never go back to one10:05
pepsibut a crt has builtin theft prevention10:06
Elwoodmmmh i need an i -book10:06
punkasswhy..cuz of there tank like weight10:06
pepsiyes10:06
punkasshehe10:06
punkasswe have some huge 19's at work..man they are big10:06
pepsi19" lcds?10:06
pepsier wait10:06
pepsi19'?10:07
sid77hope they won't be 19" crt10:07
punkasswell those to..but 19" crts...weight a ton10:07
sid77aaargh10:07
calci have a 21" crt that thing is pretty deep10:07
pepsihow much would an lcd that gives me 1600x1200 cost?10:07
calcpepsi: samsung 213T can be found for ~ $900 USD10:07
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pepsiheh10:08
calcits pretty good and does 1600x120010:08
ttikki am trying to install os x10:08
ttikkit freezes10:08
pepsihrm10:08
calcif i had a job i would have already bought one10:08
ttikkdo i need to clear up the linux partitions first ?10:08
bluewheelttikk ? what version of OSX ?10:08
pepsiid like to go past 1600x1200 too.. sigh10:08
ttikk10.310:08
bluewheelyea 10.2.8 has issues with linux partitions10:08
ttikkpanther10:08
sid77ttikk, no you shouldn't10:08
pepsievery time i get a bigger monitor, i get used to the higher resolution and then want more10:08
bluewheelyou need to make partitions under OSX10:08
calcpepsi: above 1600x1200 is expensive10:08
pepsiblah10:08
calcpepsi: see apple 30" lcd for example ;)10:08
pepsiyeah10:09
pepsiscrew that10:09
ttikkmy entire disk is ubuntu right now. i want to replace it with os x10:09
bluewheelthen split it when you install ubuntu10:09
calcor the 1920x1200 lcds for ~ $200010:09
ttikkdisk freeses on bot10:09
ttikkwhat is the tool for managing partitions ?10:09
bluewheelparted10:09
ttikkthnx10:09
bluewheelnp10:09
pepsi1920x1200 could be okay10:09
ttikkwhere is it located ?10:09
sid77err... isn't it mac-cfdisk?10:09
pepsii could see 2 facing pages on a pdf10:09
calcpepsi: but you could buy two 1600x1200 lcds for cheaper than one 1920x120010:10
pepsibut then you have 2 lcds10:10
bluewheelyea mac-fdisk10:10
punkass23" Wide W UXGA 1920x120010:10
punkassbenq10:10
calcpepsi: and a lot more screen space :)10:11
ttikkwhere is mac-fdisk located ?10:11
calctwo 1600x1200 is roughly 65% bigger than a more expensive single 1920x120010:11
pepsii want 2024x153610:11
pepsi:)10:11
punkasswhoa that benq is 2266 canadian10:12
calcpepsi: why not just a 9MP display ;)10:12
pepsiwhere can i get one?10:12
ttikkis mac-cfdisk decompressed on the cd10:12
calcibm and viewsonic make them, probably other companies too10:12
pepsier i meant 2048x153610:12
pepsithats 3MP10:13
sid77ttikk, what do you have on your disk?10:13
pepsicrap10:13
sid77ttikk, only linux? many partitions?10:13
ttikkon the ramdisk for the cd10:13
ttikkonly linux10:13
ttikki am trying to remove all linux partitions10:13
calcIBM T22110:13
pepsimy 19" crt will have to do for a couple more years :(10:13
sid77ttikk, and how is the partition table setted up?10:13
calconly around $800010:13
pepsihrm10:13
sid77set up10:13
pepsilemme check my wallet10:13
ttikkvia the default ubuntu installer10:13
spacey`kii want dual 19" TFT setup :P10:13
sid77ok10:14
ttikkentire disk10:14
sid77ok10:14
pepsihrm10:14
pepsiall i have are receipts showing that i USED to have money10:14
ttikksid77, any advice ?10:14
sid77ttikk, I was answering the phone10:14
sid77sorry10:14
ttikknp10:15
punkassanyone havin problems when a window is maximized it covers the gnome-panels?10:15
calcpepsi: plus it requires a special video card since no desktop cards can drive anything near that big10:15
sid77ttikk, so do you want dual boot: os x a nd linux?10:15
punkassim using hoary.10:15
ttikknah10:15
pepsicalc, same with the large apple display10:15
seek187punkass,  I did10:15
ttikki just want to reinstall mac os x on the entire disk10:15
ttikkbut it freezes when the CD loads10:15
punkassseek187: did u get it fixed?10:15
calcpepsi: yep, but the apple display is only about half the ibm resolution, heh ;)10:15
calcand ibm's is only ~ 20"10:15
ttikkso i was thinking i should remove all linux partitions10:15
stuNNedttikk, think you can boot from apple install cd and run mac fdisk or something10:16
pepsi9MP in 20"?!10:16
ttikkapple install cd stalls on boot10:16
calcah 22" 9.2MP10:16
pepsihow is that useful at all?10:16
pepsihrm10:16
calcpepsi: very detailed spy maps10:16
sid77uhmmm10:16
seek187punkass, yes just killall gnome-panel10:16
sid77ttikk, at which stage it freeze?10:16
pepsican you even see 1 pixel?10:16
seek187it fixed mine10:16
pepsiits pretty hard to see a single pixel right now10:16
ttikkwhen the apple logo is on the screen10:16
ttikkthe graphic gets slightly fucked up10:16
ttikkand it freezes10:17
seek187mine did it because of xcompmgr10:17
Treenaksxcompmgr makes everything _slow_10:17
punkassah yes i think mine to...thanks10:18
danielsTreenaks: surprise surprise10:18
punkassbut not as slow as i was expecting10:18
Treenaksdaniels: oh I was prepared for slowness10:18
bluewheelttikk, what model are you installing onto ?10:18
ttikklatest one10:18
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ttikk1.33ghz10:18
seek187punkass, do you have xcompmgr in Sessions?10:18
ttikk12"10:18
Treenaksdaniels: but I didn't think it would be as extreme as it is..10:18
ttikkpowerbook10:18
calcpepsi: its 3840x2400 iirc four times the size of a 1920x1200 in a single 22" screen10:18
punkassno..i just havent logged out since i ran it10:18
ttikki am not using my original disks though. i borrowed some disks from a friend10:18
seek187ah ok10:18
calcso no you probably can't see a single pixel without a magnifying glass10:19
ttikkseek187, any ideas ?10:19
bluewheelttikk, what is the partition map on the machine at the moment ?10:19
pepsithats pretty crazy10:19
pepsibuy me one, calc :)10:19
seek187ok it won't run again tho10:19
bluewheeldoes it have the origional apple ones ?10:19
ttikkbluewheel, how do i find out?10:19
sid77ttikk, open a terminal and run "sudo mac-fdisk -r -l"10:19
ttikkno, it has ubuntu entire disk partition10:19
punkassthanks seek187 worked like a charm10:19
ttikksid77, i am booted from the ubuntu cd10:19
seek187ttikk, that's over my head :P10:20
seek187punkass, n/p10:20
ttikki can't find mac-fdisk10:20
bluewheelsudo parted /dev/hda10:20
bluewheelthen press p[return] 10:20
ttikksudo not found10:20
ttikki am on the ubuntu boot cd10:20
sid77woah10:20
ttikknot on the installed version10:20
sid77try with parted only10:20
bluewheeloh your on the cd, sorry10:20
ttikkparted not found10:20
ttikkbluewheel, is parted on the cd ?10:21
bluewheeli don't know, only used it once10:21
ttikkcan't seem to find it10:21
sid77which partitioning tool is on the cd?10:21
ttikkmy disk might still be bootable10:21
ttikklet me try10:21
punkassdaniels: is there a reason that only part of transset is available?10:21
ttikkmy disk is not bootable10:22
ttikkhow do i restore the partitions using the cd ?10:22
sid77can you run fdisk?10:22
ttikki can't imagine why mac os x installer would die when encountering linux partitions10:22
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sid77well, it shouldn't10:22
bluewheelttikk, i had a simmilar problem a while back10:23
sid77afaik it should just ignore them and boot off the cd10:23
bluewheelthink i used the OS 9 cd, or a 10.2 installer10:23
ttikki am encountering the prob with 10.3 installer10:23
sid77have you any 10.2 cds as bluewheel suggested?10:24
bluewheelyea it was 10.3 that didn't work for me, but 10.2 did10:24
ttikkoh10:24
ttikkno, i dont10:24
ttikkcan i exit the installer into a shell10:24
ttikkonce parted has been loaded from pacakge10:24
bluewheeldo you know anyone else with a powerbok or new ibook ? you could do a dd (pretty hacky, but worth a try if nothing else works)10:25
ttikkthe installer wont let me continue with no partitions on the disk10:25
sid77wait, which installer?10:26
sid77os x or ubuntu?10:26
danielsTreenaks: you hit by far the slowest path through the acceleration architecture10:26
ttikkubuntu10:26
sid77(I'm getting a bit lost)10:26
sid77ok10:26
ttikkwhy can't i run parted from the ubuntu cd10:26
danielspunkass: yes -- it was late, I was in the middle of getting kicked out of an internet cafe because they wee closing, and I was tired10:26
sid77from the installer can you choose "manually partitioning your disk"10:26
sid77?10:26
punkasshehe..ah ok..no worries10:27
seek187lol10:27
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ttikksid77, that's what i did10:28
seek187how do you use transset?10:28
ttikksid77, but it won't let me proceed with an empty disk10:28
punkassnot sure yet10:28
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sid77but can you save the partition table and reboot?10:28
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sid77or it simply do not let you do it?10:28
ttikki don't think it saves the partition table10:29
ttikkseems not to10:29
sid77what does it say?10:29
ttikkcan i exit the installer10:29
ttikkor get a term somehow10:29
ttikkit say "no root filesystem is defined. please correct this from the partitioning menu:10:30
ttikkcontinue or go back10:30
sid77uh10:30
ttikkboth take me to the same plce10:30
ttikki got a shell10:30
ttikkbut my keyboard doesn't work now10:30
ttikkoh10:31
ttikknumlock was on10:31
ttikklol10:31
sid77-.-10:31
sid77lol10:31
ttikkso10:31
ttikknow i have parted10:31
sid77lol10:31
ttikkmac-fdisk -r -l should do the trick ?10:32
sid77that should print the partition table10:32
ttikkreturns nothing10:32
sid77do it, please10:32
sid77what?!?10:32
sid77ah, yes10:33
ttikkwhat is the device location10:33
sid77mac-fdisk -r -l /dev/hda10:33
sid77forgot it ;D10:33
ttikkthere is no dev/hda10:33
sid77dhu10:33
ttikkthere are subdirectories in /dev10:33
sid77mac-fdisk -r -l /dev/disk010:33
sid77or something similar?10:33
ttikkmac-fdisk -r -l /dev/discs/disc0/disc10:34
ttikkok10:34
sid77yatta!10:34
ttikki have a linux native, linux swap, partition map, and newworld bootblock10:34
sid77ok10:34
ttikkshould i delete all of them ?10:35
sid77this could be a try10:35
sid77I really do not know how os x react10:35
sid77but you could try it10:35
ttikkor should i just delete the 2 linux partitions ?10:35
ttikkhow do i remove partitions ?10:36
sid77try only with swap and /10:36
sid77leave partition map and bootblock10:36
ttikkoh10:37
ttikkfdisk10:37
ttikki've used this in openbsd10:37
sid77yeah10:37
sid77afterall is just mac-... fdisk10:37
sid77!10:37
sid77when you are finished reboot os x, if it will not work delete also the bootblock10:38
ttikkso partition map and newworld bootblock are supposed to stay ?10:38
sid77yes10:38
sid77partitionmap is important10:38
ttikkos x should boot on a blank disk, right ?.10:38
ttikkoh10:38
sid77sure10:38
arun--exit10:38
ttikkwhat is partition map ?10:38
ttikksomething i have to run10:38
sid77afaik it should describe the partitions which are present onto your disk10:39
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ttikkstill froze10:40
ttikklooks like i need to get rid of newworld10:40
sid77?10:40
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x0563511can anyone help me get MPlayer going? Ive tried installing the mplayer-custom package, but the program wouldnt run (somehting about invalid instruction). I have purged the packaged, so i can start clean again...10:44
sid77ttikk, how is going?10:45
ttikktrying10:45
ttikkerased bootblock10:45
ttikkfuck10:45
ttikknow i get a circle with a line through it10:45
ttikkmaybe i should erase the partition map partition too ?10:46
ttikkthe CD should be able to boot onto an empty disk10:46
x0563511can anyone help me?10:46
danielssjoerd: hm10:46
danielssjoerd: does Option IgnoreEDID help?10:46
ttikkwhen i boot holding down the 'c' key10:46
ttikkit still freezes10:46
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ttikksid77, should i delete the partition map ?10:47
sid77really do not know10:47
ttikkcan't hurt right10:47
ttikkwhat happens if your disk dies10:47
ttikkand you install a new one10:47
ttikkand want to install os x10:47
|trey|x0563511: just install mplayer-(nogui,586,k6,etc) and search for a package called "w32codecs" from www.apt-get.org, and install that...10:47
sid77have you ant other mac here?10:48
ttikkno10:48
sid77uh10:48
sid77if anything will not work10:48
sid77you could also boot the pbook with t pressed10:48
ttikkwhat is T ?10:48
ttikkclears the disk ?10:48
|trey|Stupid question... what package contains the Applications > System Tools > Shares in Ubuntu, I don't know what to file a bug on  (got disconnected earlier, this is a continuation..)10:48
sid77it will act as a "big" firewire disk10:48
sid77Target mode10:49
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x0563511|trey|, i have w32codecs in. The only mplayer packages i have listed are: mozilla-mplayer; mplayer-custom; mplayer-doc; mplayer-fonts; xmms-xmmplayer10:49
ttikkbut that requires another computer ?10:49
sid77so you can format it from another mac10:49
sid77yes10:49
Treenaks|trey|: the bug already exists (it should use sudo, not su)10:49
|trey|x0563511: hmm... you should have more  :(10:49
ttikkwhy would the disk need to be formatted though10:49
ttikkthe installer should be able to do it10:49
|trey|Treenaks: ahh, I searched, didn't see it  :(10:49
ttikklame..10:49
x0563511|trey|, i have the main, restricted, security, universe, and multiverse repositories up10:49
Nafallox0563511: mplayer-custom, mplayer-fonts and mozilla-mplayer would do.10:49
sid77ttikk, last step could also be resetting the nvram10:50
x0563511ok, ill report back after install10:50
Nafallo|trey|: this is multiverse, not debian-marillat repository :-)10:50
ttikksid: do you think ubuntu touched the nvram ?10:50
sid77sure10:50
ttikkwhat the fuck10:50
ttikkwhy ?10:50
sid77yaboot use it10:50
ttikkoh shit10:50
ttikkthat must be the problem10:50
ttikkhow do i restore the nvram ?10:50
x0563511Nafallo, should i add the marilllat repos? i have it, its just switched off10:51
sid77it is not ubuntu fault however10:51
ttikk?10:51
Nafallox0563511: naah, it's not needed :-)10:51
sid77www.apple.com10:51
ttikkhuh ?10:51
|trey|Nafallo: I am aware... his packages were in Multiverse last I checked though  :/10:51
sid77under documentation10:51
x0563511Nafallo, only for w32codecs, in my case10:51
sid77search for "resetting the nvram"10:51
x0563511ok, install is complete10:51
ttikkwait, how is it not ubuntu's fault /10:51
x0563511what should i run?10:51
sid77every model has is own method10:51
Nafallo|trey|: yepp, and the mplayerpackage from him is mplayer-custom :-)10:51
sid77ttikk, because yaboot is the only boot manager avalaible for new world mac10:52
|trey|Nafallo: currently, I am seeing NO mplayer packages... only thing returned when searching for mplayer is mga-vid-source10:52
Nafallo|trey|: or mplayer-amd64 in my case ;-)10:52
sid77ttikk, every linux distro use it10:52
ttikksid: can yaboot restore the original nvrame ?10:52
Nafallo|trey|: are you sure you have added multiverse and updated packagelists?10:52
sid77ttikk, do not think so10:52
|trey|Nafallo: umm, yeah...10:52
x0563511what do i do now? Synaptic just finished10:52
sid77ttikk, it is just a combo done with keyboard10:53
Nafallo|trey|: then you should find them :-).10:53
ttikkk10:53
sid77ttikk, search it under apple website10:53
ttikkcool10:53
sid77ttikk, I will also look for it10:53
ttikki found it10:53
Nafallox0563511: start it :-). It's in the Multimedia menu...10:53
sid77ttikk, you're faster :)10:53
x0563511Nafallo, nothing shows up in my menus untill i restart X10:53
x0563511for some reason10:53
x0563511can i manually refresh the list?10:54
ttikkdude10:55
Nafallox0563511: not sure. otherwize just Run... gmplayer :-)10:55
ttikki still get that fucking circle with a line through it10:55
ttikkhow can i search to find the meaning10:55
sjoerddaniels: same problem for the second head and the primary fades to white when using that..10:55
|trey|ttikk: what are you trying to do?10:55
ttikkinstall mac os x10:55
danielssjoerd: bah, crap10:55
x0563511Nafallo, "Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf10:55
x0563511Illegal instruction10:55
x0563511"10:55
|trey|ttikk: ok, thats offtopic, please don't continue10:55
sid77|trey|, err... is reinstalling os x after ubuntu10:56
|trey|sid77: umm, yes.10:56
ttikkubuntu fucked something up10:56
Nafallox0563511: weird :-/10:56
ttikktrying to restore defaults10:56
|trey|ttikk: no, you fucked something up...10:56
|trey|ttikk: #MacMorons10:57
danielslanguage, dude.10:57
danielsTreenaks: be polite.10:57
|trey|daniels: I repeated his words, sorry...10:57
danielss/Treenaks/|trey|/10:57
danielsyeah, and MacMorons was overly harsh10:57
x0563511Nafallo, im looking through the conf file, anything i should look for?10:57
|trey|daniels: sorry... just bothers me that he blame software... software does nothing its not told to do...10:57
sid77come on guys be quiet10:58
Nafallox0563511: dunno actually. I haven't got any troubles :-).10:58
ttikki am trying to understand what the circle with line through it means10:58
x0563511:/ can you upload the "/etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf" file somewhere so i can compare it to mine?10:58
Nafallox0563511: sure :-)10:59
|trey|ttikk: We are not here to help with Mac OS X issues... sorry...10:59
sid77ttikk, does ubuntu boot at least?10:59
ttikk|trey|, is it OS X ?10:59
ttikkor it is firmware ?10:59
|trey|ttikk: either way, its not Ubuntu...10:59
x0563511|trey|, thats kind of closed minded. You should try to help if you can11:00
sid77ttikk, does ubuntu boot at least?11:00
|trey|x0563511: I help with Ubuntu issues... this isn't one...11:00
Nafallox0563511: http://ogre.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/mplayer.conf11:00
ttikkubuntu doesn't boot from disk11:00
ttikkubuntu boots from cd11:00
sid77ttikk, from CD11:00
|trey|He is asking us to support him leaving Ubuntu... this is kinda the wrong place for that...11:00
ttikk|trey|, why? i am moving it to my PC?11:01
|trey|ttikk: ...and we will be more then willing to help with any issue you might have with that process...11:01
Nafallo|trey|: you can't seem to understand that some ppl want dual-boot?11:01
|trey|ttikk: most here have NEVER ran OS X... its kinda pointless asking here...11:01
|trey|Nafallo: oh, I can, thats not what he's trying to do though...11:02
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ttikki can dual boot11:02
x0563511Nafallo, hmm, nothing different (except im 4:3, different size disk cache)11:02
ttikkhow ?11:02
|trey|Nafallo: I am multi-booting 5 OS's currently...11:02
Nafallo|trey|: hmm, oki. misunderstanding here then :-).11:02
ttikk|trey|, help me dual boot11:02
x0563511Nafallo, maybe the skin is bad?11:02
Nafallox0563511: the things I did edit in my then ;-).11:02
Nafallox0563511: ahh! right!11:03
|trey|ttikk: not familier with yaboot, sorry... else I would  ;)11:03
sid77ttikk, for dual boot you need ubuntu and os x11:03
x0563511Nafallo, it may have not installed a default skin...11:03
Nafallox0563511: you should be able to run mplayer from console though.11:03
|trey|ttikk: look at some yellow dog docs, they are the Apple specialists in the Linux business  :)11:03
sid77ttikk, right now we have some problems getting one of them out ;)11:03
x0563511Nafallo, same error when launching "mplayer"11:03
ttikki understand11:03
sid77ttikk, I really do not know the symbol displayed at boot time, for now you should run with ubuntu only11:04
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x0563511Nafallo, arg! last install i compiled it all myself and it worked. Of course, the files were all in the wrong places and such...11:04
Lowryhi all11:04
|trey|ttikk: seriously, most OS X folks migrate to Yellow Dog first, so thats the best place to look first for answers, they've experienced and worked around everything that can come up  :)11:04
ttikkmy wifi doesnt work in ubuntu11:04
Nafallox0563511: yea, I compiled it to :-)11:05
|trey|Nafallo: too*11:05
|trey|;)11:05
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sid77ttikk, extreme will not work under linux11:05
LowryI hope I followed all the instructions on http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=372311:05
x0563511Nafallo, ! it means invalid _PROCESSOR_ instruction!11:05
|trey|Nafallo: you go to the store... he came too...  :)11:05
LowryWhen I tested the result with grep "direct rendering"11:06
|trey|x0563511: what kind of processor you have?11:06
x0563511Nafallo, no wonder its not working right..11:06
Nafallo|trey|: hehe :-)11:06
x0563511|trey|, athlon 900mhz (i686 kernel and modules)11:06
|trey|x0563511: apt-get install mplayer-k611:06
Nafalloi686?11:06
x0563511yep11:06
x0563511running fine11:06
Nafallox0563511: well, k7?11:06
LowryI got Xlib: extension "Xfree86-DRI" missing on display ":0,0"11:06
|trey|x0563511: you should be running kernel k7, mplayer has no k7 package though, so k611:07
x0563511ive always had problems with kernels i compiled for K6/K7. usually using i686 worked fine though11:07
sid77ttikk, leave ubuntu for now and serach apple documentation for meaning of that symbol11:07
ttikkthat's what i'm trying11:07
Nafallo|trey|: you're still in debian-marillat are you? ;-)11:07
ttikki don't know what it's called11:07
Lowry0.0".11:07
ttikkit's the circle and line around the no smoking sign11:07
|trey|Nafallo: damnit, no...11:07
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x0563511is there an mplayer-i686? (or mplayer-i386 even?)11:08
|trey|x0563511: 686, yes11:08
sid77ttikk, sorry but my knowledge finish here11:08
x0563511ill try that one11:08
|trey|x0563511: mplayer-68611:08
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Nafallo|trey|: oki. it might be my server that haven't got the updates then :-P11:08
x0563511should i purge mplayer-custom or just remove it?11:08
|trey|Nafallo: mplayer-686 - transitional dummy package which can be safely removed11:09
|trey|blah11:09
jonoanyone interested in writing something for a book about the framebuffer?11:09
x0563511is there an apt-search?11:09
x0563511kind of thing?11:09
|trey|Nafallo: Depends: mplayer-586  ... blah11:09
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|trey|x0563511: apt-cache search11:10
|trey|x0563511: apt-cache show is useful too  :)11:10
x0563511arg11:11
x0563511i think im going to have to get it from the pool manually11:11
x0563511JUST like i did swat11:11
ttikkmaybe because this isn't the disc that came with my computer11:11
ttikkthat could be it11:11
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|trey|ttikk: I could be sooooo mean to you  :(11:11
ttikk|trey|, you were gonna kick me ?11:12
x0563511i found this in the pool:11:12
x0563511http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mplayer/mplayer-686_1.0-pre5-0.6ubuntu3_i386.deb11:12
|trey|Physically, if it were possible, I would have by now... I don't have the power here though, you're lucky  ;)11:12
x0563511would this work?11:12
|trey|x0563511: would be a waste... -686 is a transitional package only, depends on -58611:13
x0563511how bout this one?11:13
x0563511http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mplayer/mplayer-386_1.0-pre5-0.6ubuntu3_i386.deb11:13
x0563511theres a 586 one too11:13
|trey|Nafallo: oh, just for kicks... apt-cache show mplayer-586 and look at the maintainer   ;)11:14
|trey|x0563511: pay attention dude... get the 586 package.11:14
NafalloI'm on amd64, and my server doesn't have multiverse in sources.list ;-)11:14
x0563511sorry, its 5:15 am here, and i havent slept yet11:14
x0563511omg11:15
x0563511mplayer586 is whining because the libs i have are newer11:15
|trey|Nafallo: from the packages in multiverse: Maintainer: Christian Marillat <marillat.christian@wanadoo.fr>11:15
|trey|x0563511: such things are the reason I run hoary  8)11:16
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Nafallo|trey|: I do know that. BUT. zcat ubuntu/dists/warty/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz | grep mplayer- only finds mplayer-custom, fonts, docs.11:16
x0563511arg11:17
x0563511synaptic says theres a broken package11:17
x0563511use the "broken" filter to find it11:17
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Nafallo|trey|: you SHOULD have said you do run hoary though ;-)11:17
x0563511... how exactly do these filters work?11:17
|trey|Nafallo: uhh, why?11:17
LowryIs xlibmesa3 a solution to my error message?11:18
Nafallo|trey|: in hoary's multiverse all packages shows up.11:18
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Lowryxserver-xfree86-dri-trunk11:18
|trey|Lowry: depends, whats the error message say?11:18
Nafallo|trey|: warty's multiverse has got mplayer-custom only :-)11:18
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Lowry"XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"11:18
LowryFrom trying http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=372311:19
x0563511er11:19
x0563511i need a library of a higher version than what synaptic has listed11:20
|trey|Lowry: ahh... can't help, not running xfree  :/11:20
x0563511can i use apt to grab a specific version?11:20
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Nafallox0563511: well. you are probably running warty and are trying to run packages from hoary ;-).11:21
|trey|x0563511: apt-get -t hoary11:21
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LowryI have hoary installed11:21
x0563511Nafallo, but im in the warty distro section?!11:21
x0563511|trey|, thats not the whole command...11:21
|trey|x0563511: gets complicated though... need to know how to pin, and yeah.. I don't wanna explain...11:21
Nafallox0563511: nope. you're in pool.11:21
Nafallox0563511: in pool packages you got packages for all releases :-)11:22
x0563511:/ if i go get the tarball, can you tell me what prefixes to pass to config so the files go where they should?11:22
|trey|x0563511: umm... heh... 'apt-get -t hoary install libblah1 libfoo2'  :/11:22
x0563511wait a min...11:23
x0563511ive got warty installed... but if i switch my synaptic repos to hoary, can i upgrade to it?11:23
|trey|x0563511: /j #debian-bots and type /msg dpkg pinning11:23
x0563511or will that bork stuff?11:23
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|trey|x0563511: you should add hoary listings to /etc/apt/sources.list and set warty to a higher priority...11:24
seek187In mplayer when I open it it says im missing subfont.tff? and I don't have it on my system how do I find it?11:24
mirakhow to enable numerical extraction of audio cd in linux ?11:24
Treenaksseek187: that's normal11:24
seek187oh11:24
|trey|mirak: use sound-juicer11:24
Nafallowell, gone now11:24
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x0563511|trey|, can i do that in synaptic? im trying to avoid editing config files by hand11:24
seek187Treenaks, is there any way to make it quit saying that?11:24
|trey|x0563511: no11:25
Treenaksseek187: yes, reading the manual11:25
|trey|seek187: install mplayer-fonts11:25
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seek187k11:25
x0563511|trey|, would i have a hard time understanding the file's syntax?11:25
seek187thanks11:25
|trey|x0563511: it took me about 5 secs to figure it out  :/11:25
x0563511wow that is simple11:26
x0563511so, what determines priority?11:26
|trey|x0563511: did you read the faq?11:26
|trey|factoid*11:26
x0563511all it does is yak about the universe repos11:26
|trey|eh, actually its not that clear... just the size of the number...11:27
x0563511what number?11:27
|trey|x0563511: s/sid/hoary11:27
x0563511?11:27
|trey|and ignore what it says about testing...11:28
x0563511all im seeing are lines like this:11:28
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x0563511deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe11:28
x0563511no numbers, no helpful comments11:28
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|trey|x0563511: "Package: *\nPin: release a=hoary\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n"11:28
|trey|put that in the file11:28
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x0563511ok, what does that do?11:29
x0563511and are those \n newlines, or do i leave them as escape codes?11:29
|trey|x0563511: makes it pick warty packages first, but will look in hoary if the package doesn't exist in warty...11:29
x0563511usefull11:30
x0563511do i convert the \ns into CRs?11:30
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|trey|x0563511: so it will use the new libs in hoary because warty equivs don't satisfy deps...11:30
|trey|x0563511: uhh... what I said will work  :/11:31
jonoanyone here know about bluetooth?11:31
x0563511"Package: *\nPin: release a=hoary\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n"11:31
x0563511exactly like that?11:31
polytanbonjour11:31
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|trey|x0563511: should, yeah... man apt_preferences if you want to be sure...11:32
|trey|I haven't read it in a while  :/11:32
x0563511synaptic yelled at me about package:11:32
|trey|x0563511: Package: should be for instance mplayer-686:11:33
|trey|I think you can do *, but not sure  :/11:33
x0563511so i cant just have hoary as part of the Repository list...11:33
|trey|x0563511: it won't work at all if you don't specify hoary in sources.list...11:34
pepsiwhorey11:34
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x0563511now im really confused. Is there something else im supposed to add?11:34
|trey|x0563511: haha, I told you it was complicated  :)11:34
x0563511ok, ive added:11:35
x0563511Package: *11:35
x0563511Pin: release a=hoary11:35
x0563511Pin-Priority: 90011:35
|trey|x0563511: just add hoary sources to your sources.list, and put that stuff into /etc/apt/preferences...11:35
mirakhi11:35
|trey|x0563511: no... package should be the package name...11:35
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mirakcan I use the cedega debian package on ubuntu ?11:36
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|trey|x0563511: here, 'APT::Default-Release "warty"' replace the pinning thing with that... and set hoary and warty in /etc/sources.list...11:37
|trey|x0563511: ahh, actually, you were right  :o11:37
x0563511what?11:38
|trey|<x0563511> Package: *11:38
|trey|<x0563511> Pin: release a=hoary11:38
|trey|<x0563511> Pin-Priority: 90011:38
x0563511so... what exactly should i do now? from the start11:38
|trey|Those values will work...11:38
x0563511that goes in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70apt<something>?11:38
mirakcan I use debian packages ?11:38
|trey|x0563511: I've said 2 different things that should do the same thing... which are you more comfortable with?11:38
Echyloheey, is there a good torrent client for ubuntu in synaptic?11:38
|trey|mirak: its not recommended11:38
x0563511neither...11:38
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x0563511ive got the pinning part already in halfway though11:39
|trey|x0563511: haha... ok... ignore what I said about Default-Release, pinning will handle that...11:39
|trey|x0563511: seriously, read the man page, its written by people that wrote the features in...  :)11:40
|trey|x0563511: pinning is good to get down though, useful  :)11:40
x0563511so do i want to add the distro "hoary" from archive.ubuntulinux.org?11:40
x0563511and hoary-security from security.ubuntulinux.org?11:40
x0563511* ubuntu.com in both11:40
|trey|x0563511: yes... they will be the same as warty, only with 'hoary' instead...11:41
x0563511Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf:6: Extra junk at end of file11:41
|trey|<x0563511> * ubuntu.com in both  <-- not this though..11:42
x0563511WHERE is the pinning stuff supposed to go?11:42
|trey|x0563511: in /etc/apt/preferences11:42
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x0563511nonexistant11:42
Treenakscreate it then11:42
|trey|x0563511: then make it...11:42
x0563511wait a tick11:42
x0563511the pinning you gave me adds "debian" at -10 priority?11:42
|trey|Should be hoary...11:43
x0563511theres 211:43
x0563511hoary11:43
x0563511and then a debian one11:43
|trey|Default priority = 0... this makes it less important then warty...11:43
x0563511this is what you told me to enter:11:44
x0563511Package: *11:44
x0563511Pin: release a=hoary11:44
x0563511Pin-Priority: 90011:44
x0563511Package: *11:44
x0563511Pin: release o=Debian11:44
x0563511Pin-Priority: -1011:44
|trey|x0563511: I can't find what -o means  :(11:45
|trey|x0563511: just get rid of that... hoary needs to be -10 though..11:45
x0563511so, disregard the whole second section... and set hoary's priority to -10?11:45
x0563511ok11:45
|trey|yes... if you want, you can even set the 'debian' entry to 'warty, and make it 900 though... just to make sure its seen as default  :)11:46
x0563511but what did the o=Debian mean? Hoary had an a=11:46
|trey|x0563511: I'm not entirely sure, I don't see it mentioned  :(11:47
x0563511use a=?11:47
|trey|x0563511: sure... just make sure the number is a lot higher for warty then hoary, and nothing else should really matter  :)11:48
x0563511hey! mplayer actually shows up in the list now11:48
x0563511ty11:48
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x0563511and sorry for all the trouble11:48
Adrenali installed firefox11:48
|trey|x0563511: next time you see mdz around though, you can pick his brain on the subject, he wrote apt afaik  :)11:48
Adrenalwhats the apt-get command to install firefox 1.0?11:48
|trey|Adrenal: the final release hasn't gotten in yet... you can use the installer though... my instructor said it worked for him...11:49
Adrenalkk11:49
Adrenalwhich folder do i install it to?11:49
Adrenallike, which is ff normally installed to11:49
Adrenaldon't want clutter11:49
|trey|Adrenal: doesn't matter...11:49
x0563511hrm11:49
Adrenali know11:49
Adrenalmeh, thanks11:50
x0563511if i uninstall all of the linux-686 packages, and replace them with linux-k7 packages... would that break stuff?11:50
|trey|x0563511: umm, if you take a long time to reboot, it might...11:50
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x0563511|trey|, what do you mean?11:51
|trey|x0563511: right now, everything is in ram... modules, everything... if it starts to replace things there for whatever reason, and the modules are gone, it can't reload them, best case scenario your sys freezes...11:52
|trey|its just a bad thing though...11:52
Treenaks|trey|: uh.. it doesn't need to reload them, it won't freeze11:52
|trey|x0563511: so, once the 686 packages are gone, and the k7 packages are installed and configured (in grub, done automatically), just reboot11:53
Treenaks|trey|: and if it needs to reload, but the driver is gone, it'll just put an error in the log and continue11:53
Treenaks|trey|: the k7 packages put the modules in different dirs..11:53
|trey|Treenaks: I'm just saying... it even pops up a message when you try to remove the current kernel about it...11:53
x0563511so i can install the k7 packages without removing the 686 ones?11:53
|trey|x0563511: sure...11:53
Treenaks|trey|: that's also about the kernel (hotplug for example) trying to load modules that don't exist anymore..11:54
x0563511then reboot into k7, then remove the 686 (provided everything works)11:54
Treenaks|trey|: freezing is very, very unlikely11:54
|trey|x0563511: grub doesn't know about the differences in the kernels, it just does what its told  :)11:54
x0563511k, ill try that11:54
|trey|Treenaks: sure... its unlikely... but the longer you wait to reboot, the higher the chance...11:54
Treenaks|trey|: no.11:55
|trey|Treenaks: I've kept a system running without a kernel being installed for about a week just to see what happens... trust me its ugly...11:55
Treenaks|trey|: it won't crash if you remove the modules or kernel image <period>11:55
Treenaks|trey|: I've run a kernel-less system for a year.. I noticed when I had a power failure11:56
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x0563511question...11:56
x0563511there are linux-image-2.6-k7, and kernel-image-2.6-k711:57
x0563511whats the difference? the description is the same11:57
|trey|x0563511: get linux...11:57
x0563511k11:57
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mawahi11:57
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|trey|x0563511: not sure why they are both there... Ubuntu appeared to change the name to linux-image though... debian's way is kernel...11:57
mawaI can't get my printer to work with Ubuntu, maybe someone of you can help me?11:58
|trey|mawa: www.LinuxPrinting.org11:58
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|trey|mawa: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Printing-HOWTO/11:59
x0563511so, am i going to get anything noticable from switching from 686 to k7?12:00
x0563511and, more importantly, will programs ive compiled be incompatible?12:00
|trey|x0563511: hmm, actually... linux-image = warty, kernel-image = hoary... safer to go with linux-image though...12:01
x0563511well, the description and version tags are identical12:01
mawa|trey|: thanks. that's a lot of information, though... at first, I'd simply like to have some debugging output from gnome-cups-manager because it silently fails each time I try to add the printer12:01
x0563511but ill stick with the linux ones12:01
|trey|x0563511: you should notice your system is more smooth feeling etc... it should feel faster due to actually being for your hardware...12:01
x0563511i _have_ noticed occasional hiccups12:02
x0563511what about graphics preformance?12:02
|trey|x0563511: Hoary is currently merging with Sid, thats the reason for the name change... they will likely become kernel-image for release...12:03
x0563511wtf.12:03
x0563511Do you wish to stop now? [y/n] n12:03
x0563511OK, aborting12:03
x0563511... does that make much sense?12:03
|trey|x0563511: hah... do it again... it sometimes argues with you  ;)12:03
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|trey|x0563511: you can outsmart software  ;)12:04
x0563511there, it worked this time12:04
x0563511lol12:04
mawawhen I try to install the printer by hand, I get "server-error-internal-error"12:04
|trey|x0563511: told you you could do it  8)12:04
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x0563511Thats almost as bad as the classic MS "Drive out of space, try deleting some files first" when you try to delete something12:05
x0563511ok, ill be back. rebooting12:05
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x0563511wow! much faster12:08
jonoanyone here use distcc?12:10
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x0563511wth!12:12
x0563511Package mplayer-586 has no available version, but exists in the database.12:12
x0563511aha!12:13
x0563511debian-marillat has it, along with 386, 686, k6, and k712:14
nevynyeah.12:14
x0563511omg12:15
x0563511mplayer-386:12:15
x0563511 Depends: libarts but it is not installable or12:15
x0563511 libarts-alsa but it is not installable12:15
x0563511 Depends: libdirectfb8 but it is not installable12:15
x0563511 Depends: libdvdread2 but it is not installable12:15
x0563511  Depends: libfaad2-0 but 2.0.0-0.1 is to be installed12:15
x0563511 Depends: libvorbis0 but it is not installable12:15
nevynumm libvorbis isn't installable?12:15
marcdmHey anyone ever have a prob with Warthog installer?12:16
StarScreammarcdm: more specific?12:16
marcdmI'm trying to replace a slackware system with Ubuntu but it fails when it gets to installing initrd-tools12:16
Treenaksmarcdm: please check if the MD5 of the CD and image are the same as the one listed on the site12:17
Treenaksmarcdm: if they don't match, that's the problem12:17
alexeijhis anyone elses mplayer-custom from multiverse not working?12:18
marcdmTreenaks: The md5 of the image is the same12:18
Treenaksmarcdm: and of the CD itself?12:18
StarScreambob2: are you there?12:18
marcdmthen I used Both K3b and nero to burn the CD.12:19
x0563511hmm i think apt is having a cramp, i can install the missing libs one by one fine12:19
Treenaksmarcdm: (have you tryied burning at a lower speed)12:19
marcdm2 different CDs both the same error....12:19
marcdmlower speed....12:19
marcdmhmmm. no I have tried that.12:19
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x0563511HOLY messed up deps12:23
x0563511that maintainer has to be beaten with a stick12:23
pepsimy farts smell really bad12:23
pepsiim ashamed12:24
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Treenakspepsi: off-topic, use another channel12:24
pepsikma12:24
Treenakspepsi: or post it to grouphug.us12:24
marcdmTreenaks: I'm booting knoppix on the machine now to check the CD.  Since the other linux box on my network refuses to read the WW cd12:25
Treenaksthat's strange12:26
pepsiTreenaks, off-topic, use another channel12:26
pepsi:P12:26
x0563511sigh... marillot's dependencies are way off kilter12:26
marcdmwhen I execute md4sum /dev/cdrom I get i/o error12:28
Treenaksmarcdm: then the CD is mis-burned..12:28
Treenaks(md5sub I hope..)12:28
marcdmmd5sum12:28
x0563511can i force apt-get to ignore deps?12:29
Treenaksuh yes12:29
Treenaksx0563511: no12:29
Gmailwhere is kernel 2.6.9??12:29
x0563511then i can just dl the deb file and use dpkg12:29
TreenaksGmail: on ftp.kernel.org12:29
Gmailwhy hasn't it apeared in hoary yet?12:29
Treenaksx0563511: yes, but dpkg looks at dependancies as well12:29
TreenaksGmail: why should it12:29
GmailTreenaks: why shouldn't it?12:30
TreenaksGmail: bugs..12:30
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x0563511Treenaks, dpkg --force-help12:30
GmailTreenaks: not all of us have a nvidia gfx card12:32
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Gmailis kernel.org down??12:33
StarScreamhow can i fix broken pacakges from the command line?12:34
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ElwoodGmail, it seems12:34
Gmail<Treenaks> Gmail: on ftp.kernel.org <<< that much for this idea12:35
StarScreami tried apt-get kde and it depends on quanta et al, if i do apt-get quanta it says to use quanta-data becuase quanta has no installation candidate12:35
StarScreamso i installed quanta-data12:35
StarScreambut kde still list quanta as a dep12:36
GmailStarScream: its apt-get INSTALL <package>12:36
GmailStarScream: warty or hoary?12:36
StarScreamGmail: sorry it was a typo..i forgot the install... warty12:36
Gmailand kde is part of universe its not supported12:37
StarScreami have universe available12:37
StarScreamin my apt sources12:37
GmailStarScream: it was merged from debian sid and then frozen this type of stuff is common to happen in sid12:38
StarScreamGmail: k, but i was speaking to bob2 last night who said he was running it on PPC and that it worked fine12:38
GmailStarScream: can't you use the better screem?12:38
StarScreami will for you12:39
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GmailStarScream: yes but in sid and ppc version of a package is normally behide a i386 version and in rear times ahead12:39
StarScreemsorry, too am using ppc12:40
GmailStarScreem: or you can use hoary but we will not support you12:40
StarScreemi too rather12:40
GmailStarScreem: hmmm12:40
GmailStarScreem: well screem is better imho12:41
StarScreemk12:41
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StarScreemshould i do a re-install of the OS, or is there a way i can fix my machine12:42
GmailStarScreem: did you install from a curruted cd?12:42
Gmaildid you install from an early weekly image that had a marge bug??12:43
StarScreemGmail: nah, dont think so, everything else works perfectly...i used the release cd12:43
StarScreemi can apt-get anything gnome related...xfce works find12:43
StarScreemfine12:43
StarScreemerm...i can't fault it in any way12:44
StarScreemaside from the kde thing12:44
Gmailhmmm even a curruted package list wound have such a probblem it woundn't work and anyway apt does a md5sum check12:45
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StarScreemGmail: i mean once i did apt-get install quanta-data it worked fine.....but then apt doesn't recognize that quanta is installed when i do apt-get install kde12:48
StarScreemit still lists it as a dep12:48
Gmaildo apt-get install quanta12:48
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StarScreemPackage quanta has no installation candidate12:50
StarScreemHowever the following package replace it12:50
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StarScreemquanta-data12:50
StarScreemso i apt-get install quanta-data and its already installed12:50
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Tibozhey all12:56
Gmailhey12:56
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Tibozis it easy and safe to switch to xorg ?12:56
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Tibozi am in hoary12:56
Despairsafe? xorg is just a brunch now, there's nothing "safe"12:57
Tibozif i only do apt-get install xserver-xorg it will work ?12:57
sanitarioyes12:57
Despairahh, men hoary12:57
Despair*meant12:57
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Tibozoki great12:58
Tibozi'll try this then12:58
sanitarioit will probably complain if you use UTF-8 though12:58
Tibozi don't use it12:58
Echylosomebody knows a xmms script/xchat12:58
Echylothat displays the current song in a channel12:58
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TibozEchylo:  http://abednarz.net/xmms-tool.html12:59
Treenakssanitario: yeah, why's that..12:59
Echylok I'll check it12:59
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EchyloTiboz, those links for downloading don't work01:00
GmailTiboz: i am using x.org right now01:01
Gmaili was since it came into the responsory there is already been 2 updates to it since then01:01
TibozEchylo: strange01:01
TibozGmail: oki01:01
TibozGmail: works fine ?01:02
TibozEchylo: http://rousse.pm.org/~georgi/xmms/xmms-tool.tar.gz01:02
Echylotiboz you have that file?01:02
Tibozthis one work01:02
Echylook01:02
Echylolemme see01:02
Echylook01:02
Echyloerror compiling script01:04
Echylo:|01:04
Echylohttp://www.pastebin.com/11887801:04
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Gmailtim: works better than xfree8601:05
huttanGmail, what does?01:06
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vincent_Hi all! Is there a CD burner tool in ubuntu?01:08
Gmailhuttan: what?01:09
Gmailsorry the message i said to tim was for tiboz01:10
vincentvincent_:  nautilus-cd-burner for files/iso and k3b or the command line for audio01:10
StarScreemanyone here managed to get kde working in warty for PPC?01:10
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GmailStarScreem: gnome is better than kde01:10
huttankk01:10
StarScreemGmail: each to their own01:10
Gmailwith gnome they never want you to see a terminal01:10
Gmailwith kde they do01:11
Gmailthat makes gnome more user friendly01:11
mjrthis is indeed good, but I'd feel better if they fixed the more annoying bugs in the terminal nevertheless01:11
vincentGmail: how do you burn audio cd with gnome ?01:12
StarScreemGmail: i dont really mind that much about user friendlyness , i'd just like my kde desktop if its possible01:12
vincent_K3B isnt coming wit ubuntu? is it?01:12
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vincentvincent_ : in the universe source01:12
Gmailvincent: gnome-baker01:13
Gmaillook on gnome-files.org01:13
vincentGmail: yep but it's not a gnome app01:13
Gmailvincent: yes it is01:14
vincentGmail: non it's a gtk app01:14
Gmailit will make it in gnome 2.1001:14
mjr" GnomeBaker requires a recent version of cdtools (cdrecord, readcd, cdda2wav and mkisofs), version 2 or greater should be okay. It also requires the libs libgnomeui-2.0 gtk+-2.0 libglade-2.0."01:14
Echylohow to install perl-xmms in ubuntu?01:14
mjrapparently it requires gnome libs at least01:15
Gmailvincent: is going to be in gnome 2.9 it you use the unstable branch too01:15
vincent_ohh ok01:15
vincentGmail: there is discussion for inclusion of this app in gnome 2.10 ?01:15
Gmailvinceeeeeent01:16
Gmailits alpha right now01:16
mjrhmpf, apparently no dvd support01:17
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mjrah well, there's nautilus01:17
Tibozx.org apparently works fine01:18
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GmailTiboz: i said so01:18
vincent_what's the command line instruction for burning?01:18
seek187yup it does :)01:18
Tibozyeah01:18
GmailTiboz: wy shound there be any problems?01:19
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Tibozbut why is fglrx-driver conflicting with xorg packets ?01:19
Gmailvincent_: can you stick to one nick01:19
TreenaksTiboz: because they don't work together01:19
Gmailvincent_: what do you want to burn?01:19
Tibozoki so there's no way using fglrx with xorg01:19
vincent_my house!01:20
vincent_;o)01:20
vincent_audio01:20
vincent_datas01:20
vincent_all things tou burn01:20
vincent_you*01:20
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vinicvincent_ > vinic01:20
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GmailROOT HAS LANDED01:23
Tiboztssss01:23
Tiboznever do irc in root01:23
Gmailvinic: data you can already do01:23
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mirak__root___: lol01:24
mirakyou know what01:24
mirakin my university there is a linux administrator01:24
Treenaks__root___: do you auto-accept DDCs as well?01:24
mirakthat handle the 100 computers parc01:24
seek187LoL01:24
Gmailvinic: in the next version of rhythmbox you can burn audio from it01:24
TreenaksGmail: w00t!01:24
mirakthe other day, I was in computer room, and I realised that the back ground of the admin was red01:25
mirakthe admin log in kde as root01:25
GmailTreenaks: well thats acording to footnotes01:25
TreenaksGmail: *dance*01:25
mirakI though maybe it was exeptionnal but no01:25
Gmailmirak: its like that in gnome too01:25
mirakthis moron and incompetent loser always log as root01:25
danynickserv01:25
nevynsigh.01:25
vinicyep, data is ok...01:25
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hectorlinuxhola01:26
hectorlinuxhay alguien ahi???01:26
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Gmailcan someone answer this stupid n00bs question http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=14762&posted=1#post14762 it the one above mine01:27
Treenakshectorlinux: you might want to go to a language-specific channel01:27
Gmaili am going crazy ubuntu atracked so many n00bs that don't know a thing and the act like they know everything in the world01:28
Despair*whine* i want a firefox 1.0 final deb :/01:28
GmailDespair: heh rc1-4 is as good as the final01:28
Despairyeah, sure, but i want it....;) *like a child* :S01:29
GmailDespair: mozilla.org01:29
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Gmailits not in hoary01:33
seek187final01:33
mirakwhen I run the mixer in the multimedia panel I get this error : No volume control elements and/or devices found.01:33
Gmailbut i only did a apt-get update an 1hr ago01:33
mirakwhat's the problem ?01:33
Treenaksmirak: what kind of sound card do you have01:34
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mirakTreenaks: sblive 5.101:36
mirakTreenaks: I use alsa01:37
Treenaksmirak: no TV cards ,etc. ?01:37
mirakTreenaks: yes bt87801:37
Treenaksmirak: USB audio device?01:37
miraknope01:37
Treenaksmirak: ah, then you should probably change the order in which they're loaded01:37
mirakok01:37
mirakin /etc/modules ?01:38
Treenaksmirak: uh, yes.. put the snd- module first, then the bt module01:38
mirakor in hotplug ?01:38
mirakTreenaks: is that normal ?01:38
Treenaksmirak: in /etc/modules01:38
mirakI mean is that a ubuntu issue or a linux issue ?01:38
Treenaksmirak: it happens...01:39
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Treenaksmirak: it's just the order in which the drivers are loaded, nothing serious.. people are trying to fix the problem01:39
mirakok01:39
mirakI also have a problem with my scanner01:39
mirakbt878 is detected as my capture device01:40
mirakit's a scsi scanner01:40
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mirakTreenaks: the problem is that my sound card driver is already in /etc/modules, so I exept it to be loaded first already isn't it ?01:41
ddaaWhat is the recommended Python IDE on Warty?01:41
Treenaksmirak: it should be, yes01:42
nevynvim ;)01:42
johnnybezakhey guys, im looking to install fluxbox, am i safe to use the debian package on the flux site, and how do i use it (ie install it?)01:42
nevynjohnnybezak: that'd be a bad idea.01:42
nevynunless they're built for ubuntu.01:42
Treenaksjohnnybezak: use the universe repository, and just apt-get install it01:42
johnnybezaknevyn: so i should build it from source01:42
nevynfluxbox is almost certainly in universe install it from there01:42
Treenaksjohnnybezak: no, you should use the version in universe01:42
nevynDO NOT COMPILE STUFF that's in universe..01:42
Treenaksnevyn: "this is not gentoo" :P01:43
mirakTreenaks: is the module you are talking about  snd_bt87x ?01:43
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johnnybezakTreenaks: hmm i thought i had universe in my sources, but i'll look01:43
mirakor bttv ?01:43
johnnybezakok how come installing from source is a bad idea?01:43
nevynjohnnybezak: cause most people f!@# it up?01:43
Treenaksmirak: snd_bt87x = the tv card driver.. put that one last in /etc/modules, and put the snd_ driver for your sblive (don't know which one..) above that01:44
johnnybezaknevyn: haha01:44
nevyncause it's impossible to support?01:44
mirakok01:44
johnnybezaknevyn: i'd prolly fuck it up too but I want flux!01:44
nevynjohnnybezak: cause you always to do --enable-option I uses01:44
Treenaksjohnnybezak: it's in universe.01:44
nevynjohnnybezak: I'm sure it's in universe it's in debain.01:44
johnnybezakwhat version01:44
Treenaksjohnnybezak: apt-cache show!01:44
Treenaksjohnnybezak: do we have to do everything for you?01:45
johnnybezakhaha sorry guys im not an experienced debianer01:45
johnnybezak(and im half pissed)01:45
johnnybezaki've just used the synaptic tool01:45
johnnybezakand it hasn't given me any flux love01:45
Treenaksjohnnybezak: (pissed as in alcohol or pissed as in angry)01:45
nevynalcohol if he's only half pissed.01:46
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johnnybezakTreenaks: the former01:46
nevynsee us australians know about being drunk ;)01:46
johnnybezakam i alright to post my etc/apt/sources list here?01:46
Treenaksjohnnybezak: use www.pastebin.com01:47
johnnybezakcan i just paste to #flood?01:47
TreenaksI'm not on #flood01:47
johnnybezakok01:47
johnnybezakhttp://pastebin.com/11888501:48
Treenaksyou only have the sources for universe in it..01:49
GmailTreenaks: we need a paste bin bot01:49
mirakTreenaks: how can I force unload of modules ?01:49
Treenaksjohnnybezak: hey, you don't even have anything but security!01:49
johnnybezakhold on i think i missed stuff (sorry to be a pain guys)01:49
Treenaksjohnnybezak: duplicate the first line, and change "deb-src" to "deb", then run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"01:49
Jimbohi, I have a problem while installing my ubuntu on a laptop01:50
Jimbois it here i can ask for help?01:50
johnnybezakhttp://pastebin.com/118886 try that01:50
TreenaksJimbo: if you want help in English stay here, if you want help in Dutch, try #ubuntu-nl01:50
TreenaksJimbo: yes, then run apt-get update; apt-cache show fluxbox01:51
Treenaks+sudo01:51
Treenaks(only for apt-get not for apt-show)01:51
johnnybezakme or jimbo?01:51
mirakis there a way to force unloading of modules supposed to be in use ?01:51
Treenaksjohnnybezak: uh you01:51
johnnybezakTreenaks: so those lines are right01:51
Treenaksmirak: rebooting.. or making sure they're not in use01:51
Treenaksjohnnybezak: basically01:51
Jimbook thanks, the problem come from hardware detection01:51
mirakTreenaks: how can I know they are in use ?01:52
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TreenaksJimbo: what was the problem?01:52
Jimbothe keyboard et the mouse aren't recognize01:52
Treenaksmirak: try to unload them..01:52
TreenaksJimbo: what kind of laptop?01:52
johnnybezakTreenaks: I get nothing it just goes to next prompt01:52
Jimboa toshiba A30-90101:52
fsmwhi all, i'm running xorg on ubuntu and xcompmgr with composite enable, but i can't get shadows any idea?01:52
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mirakTreenaks: that's crap :))01:52
TreenaksToshibas have lots of problems.. have you looked on the web page?01:52
Treenaksmirak: or lsmod, there's a number there, if it's not 0 it's in use01:53
Jimboyes but i haven't found anything on it01:53
mirakTreenaks: ah ok01:53
TreenaksJimbo: have you tried booting without ACPI?01:53
danielsfsmw: run xcompmgr --help01:53
TreenaksJimbo: (I think there's a howto for that on the wiki)01:54
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fsmwthanks daniels -c was the answer01:54
Jimbono i haven't try without ACPI and i'll check the wiki then i'll comme back to say my result, thanks01:54
johnnybezakwould someone be able to give me there sources list so i can copy paste it01:54
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Treenaksjohnnybezak: I would, but I kind of broke my wireless connection remotely this morning :(01:55
johnnybezak:)01:55
johnnybezakah well01:55
mirakNo volume control elements and/or devices found.01:56
jeffreybNeed help.. I did fresh install of Ubuntu... Uncommented the ubuntu and univers repos in sources.list and did update upgrade. Now I don't have my gnome toolbars (top or bottom). Any ideas?01:57
mirakjeffreyb: rm your .gnome directories01:58
jeffreybok - will try that01:58
mirakjeffreyb: or create new ones if you can01:58
jeffreybok -thanks man :)01:58
johnnybezakhmm still no flux i got an apt.sources off the net could someone please check that flux is in there just in case im bashing my haid against a brick wall?01:59
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ddaajohnnybezak: apt-file and apt-get.org are your friends02:02
ddaanote that apt-file uses a different database than apt-get, so you have to run "apt-file update" separatedly.02:02
ddaa* separately02:03
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fsmwi don't have gnome-screenshot on my hoary?02:04
sid77I'm going to switch to hoary, what should I read?02:04
sid77(or: what should I do?)02:05
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marcdmTreenaks: Hail. Just verified... CD = ISO = md5sum from ubuntu site... still getting install errors02:08
Treenaksmarcdm: strange.. that shouldn't be happening, is your partition large enough?02:08
Treenaksmarcdm: sure there are no read errors on the CD?02:08
marcdmI'm still convinced that this error has something to do with Lilo being the MBR02:09
Treenaksno02:09
seek187sid77, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list replace the word warty with hoary02:09
johnnybezakecho deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list02:10
johnnybezaksudo apt-get update02:10
johnnybezaklol thought this was terminal sorry guys02:10
marcdmI went a got a different CD-RW drive and did the md5sum /dev/cdrom, the CD checked out ok02:10
sid77ahahha02:10
marcdmit gave me the same sum as the iso did and as the one I got from the site.02:10
sid77seek187, should fam and portmap be removed? (as noted down in the wiki)02:11
marcdmhowever, it still installs and fails when it reaches the point of installing initrd-tools02:11
Treenaksmarcdm: maybe your CD player just can't read this specific disc very well02:11
Treenakstry using a CD-ROM02:11
Kev-What's up with the livecd not having any compiler?02:11
marcdmTreenaks: I'm sure. I'm using a brand new DVD-RW drive. This is the 4th drive I'm trying to use.02:11
Treenaksmarcdm: disc. not drive.02:12
seek187hmmm I didn't but not sure02:12
marcdm2 CD-ROMS, 1 CD-RW and this Pioneer Drive.02:12
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sid77seek187, ok I'll give it a try, thanks!02:12
marcdmTreenaks: it fails at the same place with 3 different disks burnt on 3 different drives using 3 different machines02:13
johnnybezakhey guys, seeing as i think ive broken my sources.list, does anyone have a vanilla list here?02:13
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Treenaksmarcdm: don't know, sorry.. it always worked fine for me02:13
seek187but nautilus will probablly break on you when you upgrade..02:14
seek187I think the file was gamin that you install afterwards that fixes it02:14
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marcdmanyone here ever complete a network install?02:14
logicTechnical q: Is Ubuntu pronounced Ewwbuntu or Yoobuntu?02:15
Treenakslogic: oo-boon-too02:15
logicNice, thanks02:15
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Jimbolinux acpi=off is OK, the keyboard is now recognize (i don't know yet for the mouse)02:16
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Jimbobut is ther a mean to configure acpi after installation?02:16
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alakdananybody using enlightenment and engage here?02:18
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BrianB04Hey all02:19
seek187hi02:19
Treenaksalakdan: wasn't enlightenment abandoned years ago?02:19
alakdanTreenaks, nope, the window manager is quite coool02:20
nevynnah rasterman's been doing e17 and evas stuff.02:20
thoreauputicTreenaks: hardly. It just is taking forever to get to E17 ;)02:20
Treenaksthoreauputic: R16 was released in 1999!02:20
thoreauputicTreenaks: NEWS FLASH! E17 will be ready before Longhorn... err... well ... it *could* be.. stay tuned *g*02:21
pisukewww.rasterman.com there are even videos of what will be E17 ;-)02:22
thoreauputicE17 will be ready when the HURD is stable !02:22
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mirakTreenaks: the bt878 is still loaded first02:24
Treenaksmirak: strange02:24
mirakand it take the place of my scanner02:26
mirakI will block this module I think02:26
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AndyFitzanyone else getting that fam error in warty ?02:33
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AndyFitzeg . when loading up gedit as sudo in gnome-terminal02:34
AndyFitzfailed to find gam_server02:34
AndyFitzfailed to exec (null)02:34
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Quazionseems to wrok fine here02:35
Quazionah as sudo02:35
Quazionlet me try again ;-)02:35
QuazionAndyFitz, seems to work fine with sudo gedit filename02:36
AndyFitzthings like the gtk file dialog and nautilus are taking much longer to load02:38
johnnybezakwell i gave up, i'm compiling flux from source :) heres to breaking things you can't understand02:38
johnnybezak:)02:38
AndyFitzfailed to find gam server .  this could be my fault02:38
AndyFitzwhy has the services editor disappeared ?02:39
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nevynjohnnybezak: umm just run apt-cache search flux in a terminal and check if it comes up.02:39
AndyFitzit showed up between updates and I had a play with it .  now its not there anymore and I cant remember uninstalling it .. or what package it was in02:39
thoreauputicAndyFitz: debs for fluxbox: http://logicvortex.net/debian/fluxbox/02:40
thoreauputicAndyFitz: the development versions are much nicer - transparent menus etc02:40
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johnnybezaknevyn: yeah i did and it didnt work, it's ok it compiled no worries02:42
AndyFitzthanks thoreauputic02:43
AndyFitzI'll be right back !02:43
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easybuddyHi02:43
thoreauputicAndyFitz: no worries02:43
easybuddyum...  hello room02:43
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SeperoAnyone here frequent JL.com?02:44
Seperooook....02:46
SeperoI've never tried Ubuntu, but I'm downloading it now.02:46
nevynjohnnybezak: how didn't it work?02:46
johnnybezaknevyn: flux just didnt show up02:46
SeperoI love Debian, but I hate how unstable has no security updates and there are regular updates everyday.02:47
nevynSepero: unstable can't have security updates pretty much by definition.02:48
bagpussSepero: umm, unstable gets updates every day...they get security updates as soon as they are uploaded02:48
nevynjohnnybezak: so you didn't get any result?02:48
nevynat all?02:48
nevynif it's in universe and you can't find it that's bad and should be fixed.02:49
johnnybezakno it just didnt say anything02:49
SeperoEveryday updates are unrealistic for me because I'm on dialup. :(02:49
johnnybezakyeah well i think i had my sources fixed but it just didn't show up02:49
bagpussSepero: ah, that's a different matter then :)02:49
bagpussget decent connectivity02:50
johnnybezaknow ive just got to get it to start hehe02:50
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SeperoNot an option in my area, only dialup02:50
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thoreauputicbagpuss: not everyone can afford it anyway02:50
edwoodhi02:50
SeperoBut I read that Ubuntu only releases once every 6 months though. I can definitely handle that kind of upgrade cycle.02:51
bagpussthoreauputic: hmm, I guess.  Although or me DSL is cheaper than dialup.  I tend to forget everywhere isn't like that02:52
Seperomust be nice. ;)02:52
thoreauputicbagpuss: yeah, in many parts of the world dialup (and sloow dialup at that) is the only option.02:53
SeperoI'm talking to you guys through gaim. This is the first time I've used it for IRC in a LONG time. I must say that it appears very nice. :)02:53
SeperoWhat clients are you guys using?02:54
nevynirssi02:54
Treenaksirssi02:54
danielsirssi02:54
nevynheh02:54
SeperoA common favorite, apparently  :D02:55
nevynirssi + screen is the bomb.02:55
thoreauputicSepero: for a GUI, xchat is nice - irssi is good for console02:55
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RubenVthoreauputic: i second that02:55
thoreauputicsome prefer it at all times... :)02:55
Treenaksnevyn: I've had uptimes of 90 days (and then it went down with the system reboot ;)02:55
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nevynmy freebsdbox is well into 400 days... ;)02:56
edwood:)02:56
SeperoI don't think I've ever had a uptime of more than 30 days. Usually because of power failure.  heheheh02:56
QuazionSepero, i am using X-Chat since i had no time to install irssi and configure it yet ;-)02:56
Seperoheh02:56
QuazionSepero, where you live then ?02:56
SeperoI live in Tampa, Florida, usa02:57
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Treenaksthey don't have broadband there?02:57
SeperoYeah, but not here. I live on the outskirts.02:57
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SeperoHow long has everyone in here been using *n*x?03:00
shelldosWhat is the difference betweeen warty-release-live and the other one that is lesss than 600mb?03:00
Treenaksshelldos: one is the Live CD, the other the install CD, I guess03:00
SeperoI started my adventure about 2000.03:01
shelldosso Live cd means I can us it without installing to harddrive? and also I can install it to harddrive if I wish so? (from live cd)03:01
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Treenaksshelldos: I don't think you can install from the live CD, but you can use it..03:01
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thoreauputicshelldos: I don't think the live CD has an installer03:02
shelldoshmm03:02
shelldosok, I have a amd k6-2 350mhz with 128mb ram. Which iso file should I get?03:02
shelldos(want to install ubuntu on the machine)03:02
SeperoI'm downloading the warty-release over dialup.03:03
Treenaksshelldos: warty-i386-install.iso (or something like that)03:03
TreenaksSepero: 8)03:03
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thoreauputicshelldos: might be a litlle sluggish on that machine03:03
SeperoDon't give me those eyes. :D03:03
shelldoshmm03:03
shelldosthoreauputic: really?03:04
GmailSepero: get it sent to ya03:04
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Echylowhat is the default partition prog in ubuntu?03:04
b_e_n_zSepero: still living in the 3rd world huh?03:04
SeperoI would have them send me the CD's, but I've heard that some people have been waiting over a month now for them.03:04
thoreauputicshelldos: well, it should work Ok03:04
Seperolol03:04
GmailSepero: for free from shipit.ubuntulinux.org03:04
shelldosthoreauputic: doesnt ubuntu have fluxbox or something? or can I install it later on?03:05
bagpussSepero: I believe they will be shipped soon03:05
GmailSe7h: they are going to be sent tomz QUICKLY ORDER03:05
SeperoIt'll only take about 50hrs to download over dialup03:05
EchyloI think cd's are shipped already03:05
thoreauputicshelldos: you can install it, sure03:05
Sepero50hrs = a little over two days03:05
GmailEchylo: some of them i hear have been03:05
thoreauputicshelldos: or any other wm for that matter03:05
GmailSepero: yes non stop03:05
edwoodyes Gmail03:05
Echylomy status03:05
GmailSepero: where do you live?03:06
Echylothere are shipped for my on 8th november03:06
Echylothey*03:06
Echylome*03:06
tim1is there any photo how the cds look like ?03:06
danielsGmail: you're too late for the first shipment03:06
danielssecond shipment happens later03:06
Seperoyeah, we have a dedicated phoneline here for inet03:06
Seperotampa, florida, usa03:06
danielsthe first shipment was finalised a long time ago03:07
Gmaildaniels: i order mine there in australia already from some rumer i heard from friends03:07
thoreauputictim1: well, they are kind of round, thin and flat :D03:07
danielsGmail: depends how early you ordered them03:07
danielsGmail: mine have already turned up in Australia, apparently03:07
tim1round ?03:07
Gmaildaniels: i ordered them from the first day03:07
tim1mh03:07
tim1;)03:07
tim1no what dows the artwork on it look like ?03:08
thoreauputictim1: *grin*03:08
SeperoI think my CD's are hovering somewhere around the bramuta triangle.03:08
GmailSepero: i am sure you can find someone who order 1 extra which will send it to ya03:08
shelldoswhere can I find the complete feature list for ubuntu? (apps etc)03:08
SeperoI don't go to the local LUGs03:09
SeperoThey are all actually a pretty distant drive for me.03:09
GmailSepero: still quickly order one03:09
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SeperoLOL, NO!  :D03:09
GmailSepero: there free03:10
Gmailgive ma your address and i can do it for ya03:10
Gmaildaniels: i hear there going to be at my door tomz03:11
Sepero:p03:11
danielsGmail: it depends from region to region, order to order03:11
GmailSepero: free beer03:11
SeperoLOL,  I don't like beer03:11
danielsGmail: in some cases they were sent in large groups and exploded per-city, per-state, per-country.  it's highly variable.  if they arrive tomorrow, good.  if not, don't stress.03:11
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SeperoHow long have you guys been using Ubuntu?03:12
Gmaildaniels: we order early we both heard the same rumers03:12
danielsfour or five months03:12
SeperoI first heard about it on the Gnoppix website.03:12
danielsGmail: it's highly variable.  really, I'm not lying.03:12
Treenaksdaniels: you'll be in Mataro too, right?03:12
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danielsGmail: there's no secret list of guaranteed delivery dates with your name on that I'm withholding for fun03:12
danielsTreenaks: fo'shizzle03:12
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Treenaksdaniels: dope!03:13
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shelldosSepero: have you tried gnoppix? is it good?03:13
danielsTreenaks: ill03:13
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SeperoNo I haven't. It's just that I like Knoppix, but dislike KDE. So I was just checking out the Gnoppix website.03:14
SeperoI guess Gnoppix is based on Ubuntu.03:15
Echylolol03:15
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jazzkahi!03:15
Gmaildaniels: well its probbly going to be hear tomz rather than next week03:15
thoreauputicSepero: no, gnoppix has been around for a while :)03:15
danielsGmail: that's great03:15
GmailSepero: ROTFL03:15
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jazzkaI've got amsn installed by ubuntu's reposotory, but a new version is available from amsn web03:16
jazzkahow can I upload it? correctly I mean03:16
Gmailjazzka: are you using warty or hoary?03:16
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jazzkaGmail, waty03:16
jazzkawarty03:16
Echylowhat is a partition prog for ubuntu????03:17
Gmailwarty is frozzen there no new updates to it03:17
Echylowhat is the default one?03:17
SeperoFrom the gnoppix website: "Gnoppix is a linux live cd based upon Ubuntu Linux. It can be compared to Knoppix but GNOPPIX uses GNOME as desktop environmen"03:17
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GmailEchylo: there is one is gnome 2.9 it cool03:17
Echylowhat name?03:17
GmailSepero: LOL03:17
GmailEchylo: its part of gnome-system-tools03:17
Echylok03:17
SeperoI'm not joking, see for yourself http://www.gnoppix.org/03:17
jazzkaGmail, so until hoary is released, no new software for warty?03:18
thoreauputicSepero: well, Gnoppix may now be so based, but it has existed for some time - probably it has changed03:18
thoreauputicSepero: that's interesting03:18
Echylocan't find it Gmail03:18
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danielsjazzka: no, warty is a release.  that means it only gets security updates.03:19
SeperoIf it wasn't for that, I would have not heard of ubuntu03:19
danielsjazzka: release means we stop changing stuff03:19
GmailEchylo: it in hoary03:19
Echylo?03:19
Gmailjazzka: hoary is open already03:19
EchyloI can't follow03:20
Echyloow03:20
Echyloyou mean03:20
Echylothere are partition programs in the final one?03:20
Gmailooops03:20
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Gmailit in haory and under gnome its called disks-admin03:21
jazzkaok bye!03:22
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SeperoGNOPPIX Warty  (2004-10-15)                 There have been some big developments in regards to Gnoppix that I'm excited to report. Recently, I've been contacted by developers working on the new Debian derivative "Ubuntu" about collaboration between Ubuntu and Gnoppix.03:23
SeperoI guess that was half way through last month.03:24
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mirakhow can I install eclipse ?03:24
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jonoanyone in here hacked around with localisation in Linux?03:24
thoreauputicSepero: nice - looks like Ubuntu kind of resurrected the Gnoppix project (it wasn't doing a lot before, I seem to recall)03:24
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SeperoThat's good.03:25
SeperoI like to be able to choose Gnome\03:25
thoreauputicjono: no more than ` dpkg-reconfigure locales` *g*03:25
jonohehe03:26
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jonook, anyone written an FDI file?03:26
Gmailmaybe ubuntu-live should be a merge of gnoopix and ubuntu-live03:26
Gmailbtw why can't ubuntu use gnoppix's installer it looks quite nice03:27
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johnnybezakhey guys is there anyway i can find out where on the filesystem all these handy shortcuts that are in the computer menu are (like the network or disks one for example)?03:28
Treenaksjohnnybezak: home is always ~, computer has no equivalent in the filesystem.. network doesn't either03:28
thoreauputicGmail: the ubuntu installer is the new debian-installer, I believe ( the sarge installer)03:28
mirakwhy is there eclipse sources , but not the binary package ?03:28
shelldoshmm03:29
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shelldosso gnoppix is ubuntu03:29
mirakin hoary03:29
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shelldosbasically03:29
Echylowhat is hoary?03:29
SeperoInteresting anout the installer03:29
thoreauputicmirak: java license issues?03:29
johnnybezakTreenaks: I want to use flux instead of gnome, is there anyway i can use these shortcuts do you think?03:29
SeperoThe girl next door03:29
Seperoheheheh03:29
tidalwavokay, I have a question...how can I compile linux-wlan-ng on Ubuntu without kernel sources?03:29
mirakthoreauputic: there wouldn't be the sources either03:29
Treenaksjohnnybezak: uh, I don't think so03:29
mirakeclipse is open sourc03:30
mirake03:30
marcdmEchylo: Hoary Hedgehog = next Ubuntu release03:30
johnnybezakTreenaks: ok thanks03:30
johnnybezakTreenaks: it's a pity there not somewhere on the filesystem03:30
mirakthoreauputic: maybe the package need java to be build03:30
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jonoanyone know how to upgrade from ext2 to a journalled filesystem?03:30
Gmailthoreauputic: i was talking about for hoary the wiki says not to promiss a gfx installer03:30
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khwarizmijohnnybezak: I believe these shortcuts are oart of Nautilus, the GNOME file manager.03:31
Gmailwell you can if there is already one you can use03:31
khwarizmis/oart/part03:31
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mirakjono you can upgrade to ext3 without repartitioning03:31
shelldosnice theme gnoppix uses --> http://www.gnoppix.org/pages/screenshots/gnoppix07beta/gnoppix_installer.png03:31
johnnybezakkhwarizmi: how can i access them through nautilus, not through the menu do you know?03:31
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johnnybezakkhwarizmi: because i like nautilus, i just prefer flux for a WM03:31
thoreauputicjono mke2fs -j  (for journal) from memory03:32
mjrthoreauputic, well, no.03:33
mirakare the packagers of ubuntu available on this channel or is it only users ?03:33
thoreauputicjono: you don't even have to unmount03:33
mjrtune2fs -j adds a journal to an existing ext203:33
thoreauputicmjr: no?03:33
martinkjohnnybezak: nautilus computer: and nautilus network:03:33
johnnybezaki tell you what though ubuntu is impressive, for such a young distro03:33
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vincentwhere can I found my usb HDD order to mount it? I can't find /dev/sda_03:33
thoreauputicmjr: ah - sorry - quite right03:33
johnnybezakmartink: ok thanks, i suppose i can find the rest in man nautilus?03:33
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johnnybezakcos were all too dumb03:34
jonoI need someone to write about it for a book03:34
jonoanyone interested?03:34
johnnybezak:_03:34
johnnybezak)03:34
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johnnybezakwhats the run application program called, how can i find out program names when they just have their user friendly name?03:35
Treenaksjohnnybezak: just press <tab> in a terminal :)03:35
johnnybezakTreenaks: hehe03:36
tidalwavwell does anyone know if there are debian packages for linux-wlan-ng? I can't download the packages on that box because there is no internet connection (yet).03:36
Treenakslinux-wlan-ng? what's that?03:36
gwildor_canonical employees, or anyone, what is bazaar?03:36
johnnybezakmartink: that doesnt work unfortunately man03:36
danielsgwildor_: http://bazaar.canonical.com03:36
gwildor_daniels, been there done that, it doesn't tell me what it does/is03:37
IRCMonkeyCould someone tell me a good audio cd copying program for gnome ?03:37
martinkjohnnybezak: hmm, works here. Maybe run nautilus computer://03:37
johnnybezakk3b03:37
LinuxJonesjono, tune2fs -j /dev/xxx but umount the directory 1st or boot to mainienance mode03:37
tidalwavlinux-wlan-ng is drivers for prism2 based USB wireless lan adapters, I think03:37
danielsgwildor_: a friendly fork of tla to improve its ui03:37
Treenakstidalwav: prism2 is supported by the installer... afaik03:37
tidalwavI need it to make my d-link DWL-122 802.11b adapter work03:37
johnnybezak*ducks*03:38
tidalwavteenacks:it's not working :)03:38
gwildor_daniels, tla?03:38
Treenakstim1: USB?03:38
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johnnybezakmartink: thats it man thanks03:38
Treenakstidalwav: USB ?03:38
danielsgwildor_: the most popular implementation of arch03:38
tidalwavwhen I plug the thing in I do lsmod | grep prism03:38
Echylocan somebody help me with 3ddesk03:38
tidalwavand it automatically loads prism2_usb and p8021103:38
Echylohttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/3ddesktopHowto03:38
Echyloit gives me an error , hardware related03:39
tidalwavbut it won't recognize the thing as a device03:39
tidalwavlike eth0 or wlan0 or something03:39
Echylohttp://www.pastebin.com/11890503:40
Echylocan somebody heeelp meee :p03:40
tidalwavand I think you need to use linux-wlan-ng to configure it but it won't compile03:40
tidalwavhence my problem03:40
Echylodo I need drivers or?03:41
SeperoDoes irssi come preloaded with ubuntu?03:41
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johnnybezakwhere is the config for the applications and computer menu?03:42
Treenaksjohnnybezak: it's all gnome-specific03:42
Treenaksjohnnybezak: but the menu is just a directory full of .desktop files in /usr/share somewhere I think03:42
johnnybezakTreenaks: is there a tool to configure it? i just need to find out actual program names03:42
IRCMonkeyhow much does it take to the CDs to deliver?03:42
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johnnybezakTreenaks: thnx ill have a look03:43
gwildor_IRCMonkey, incomplete sentence03:43
tidalwavmonkey: dunno, I ordered some too and they haven't come yet :p03:43
TreenaksIRCMonkey: several days to weeks03:43
IRCMonkeythanks03:43
TreenaksIRCMonkey: (i.e. "unknown"()03:43
thoreauputicSepero: re irssi:  sudo apt-get inastall irssi-text03:43
thoreauputic8install03:44
thoreauputicaargh03:44
mjrls03:44
mjror not03:44
vincenthelp! I can't see my USB external HDD (iOmega)03:44
vincenthow can I reach it?03:45
gwildor_I wonder how many cd's they had to press03:46
SeperoIs there anywhere I can go to see screenshots of ubuntu?03:46
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Treenaksvincent: is it partitioneD?03:46
vincentyes03:46
vincentfat03:46
gwildor_sepero, maybe the ubuntu website03:46
Treenaksvincent: partitioned != formatted, but it's  formatted as well .. hmm03:46
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vincentI used to see it under Mandrake 9.103:47
vincent/dev/sda03:47
vincentbut nothing with ubuntu03:47
thoreauputicSepero: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/screenshots/document_view03:47
vincent:/03:47
Seperothnx03:47
tidalwavvincent: you may need to add it to /etc/fstab03:48
tidalwavmanuall03:48
tidalwav*manually03:48
vincentyeh I know but no device appears!03:49
tidalwavwell did you add it?03:49
SeperoIs Ubuntu made to be a single user system? I keep hearing people talk about sudo this and that.03:50
TreenaksSepero: no, you can make multiple users, and give those sudo rights (or not)03:50
TreenaksSepero: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo03:50
jonoanyone know how to control the mouse with the cursor keys?03:51
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SeperoYou're quick :)03:51
Rotundyou have to turn it on in mouse settings I believe03:51
TreenaksSepero: I have a huge memory ;)03:51
vincentIf I had the /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 ...... in fstab, will it force ubuntu ti detect sdc?03:51
Treenaksvincent: no03:51
vincentok03:51
vincentso how can I detect this HDD03:52
Treenaksvincent: type 'dmesg', see if it's detected at all03:52
vincentit is detected in /proc/usb003:52
zenwhenwhoa03:52
Treenaksvincent: no, it's not.03:52
vincentI'll try03:52
Treenaksvincent: /proc/usb0 is not a place for that03:52
zenwhenit doesnt automatically mount?03:52
shelldoswhen installing ubuntu  in the partition step.. how do I exit it ??03:53
zenwhenMy mp3 player just mounts up and even pops up in a window03:53
shelldosit keeps getting back to the partiitioning menu03:53
shelldosI already know where I want to install the system03:53
vincentscsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices03:54
vincent  Vendor: HDS72258  Model: 0VLAT20           Rev: V32O03:54
vincent  Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 0203:54
vincentSCSI device sda: 160836481 512-byte hdwr sectors (82348 MB)03:54
vincentsda: assuming drive cache: write through03:54
vincent /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 p3 p403:54
vincentAttached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 003:54
vincentUSB Mass Storage device found at 203:54
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vincentusbcore: registered new driver usb-storage03:54
vincentUSB Mass Storage support registered.03:54
thoreauputicvincent: /topic  re pasting in channel03:55
vincent????03:55
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thoreauputicvincent: read the channel topic :)03:55
vincentooops03:56
vincentsorry! ;o)03:56
jonowhat do I use to book from the network?03:56
thoreauputicvincent: :)03:56
shelldosthoreauputic: I don't understand why I must write partition table to disk to get to the next step, if I already have all the partitions ready03:56
shelldos??03:56
mirakis there a ubuntu developpement channel ?03:56
tim1mirak: ubuntu-devel03:57
vincent/dev/scsi doesnt exist... :/04:00
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SurveRhi04:00
vincenthi04:00
SurveRi want enable root user04:01
SurveRi speak very little english :(04:01
shelldosSurveR: sudo su04:01
vincentfrench?04:01
SurveRvincent: spanish04:01
vincentok04:01
vincentSurveR: or do: $ sudo passwd root04:02
SurveRbut sudo passwd root as user or root?04:03
TreenaksSurveR: and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo04:03
vincentas user04:03
vincentthen you'll be able to enter root password04:03
shelldosTreenaks : I don't understand why I must write partition table to disk to get to the next step, if I already have all the partitions ready04:03
TreenaksSurveR: you most likely do not want a root account enabled04:03
Treenaksshelldos: eh? what are you doing?04:04
shelldosTreenaks: installing ubuntu04:04
Treenaksshelldos: well.. just choose which partition you want to use for what.. then save it to disk and go04:04
khwarizmivincent: There is also considerable material available in Spanish. Look here for example: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SpanishDocumentation. Read the section "Personalizacin del sistema".04:04
vincentme french... SurveR spanish ;o)04:05
SurveR:D04:05
shelldosTreenaks: why should I write partition table to disk? When I already have all the partitions set ready to go.. But when I got to menu "installing the base system" it keeps getting back to the partitioning window04:05
SurveRbut don't speak english04:05
SurveRehehehe04:05
vincentno esta importante04:06
TreenaksSurveR: you should select which partitions you want to use for what, then save to disk, and then go on04:06
shelldosTreenaks: ok04:06
Treenaksshelldos: don't forget to mark partitions you don't want to format as "do not format" :)04:06
SurveRone question more04:07
vincentok04:07
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SurveRubuntu have some problem with mp3?04:08
gwildor_till you enable them04:08
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vincentI didnt try mp3 yet04:08
SurveRwhat?04:08
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vincentI could if i could mount that f*!/$+@ sda04:09
SurveRi try to install xmms but i can't starting04:09
SurveRstart*04:09
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SurveRor is: i try to install xmms but i can't start it04:10
SurveR?04:10
SurveRhehehehe04:10
vincenttry Rythmbox04:10
SurveRhave problem with mp304:10
SurveRwait04:10
eazel7where are the apt repositories?04:10
vincentApplications>Multimedia04:11
vincent...for Rythmbox!04:11
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SurveReazel7: i think /etc/apt/sources.list04:11
eazel7SuperL4g: I'm doing a debootstrapped install04:11
shelldossurver: doesnt ubuntu come with xmms?04:11
eazel7I need to know the URLs to add them to sources.list04:11
kentSurveR, you have problems with mp3?04:12
SurveRshelldos: i dont understand u04:12
SurveRsorry04:12
shelldosok04:12
SurveRkent: yes04:12
|trey|eazel7: deb archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu warty main restricted universe multiverse .. install ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop04:12
kentSurveR, you need gstreamer-mad or something. Ubuntu has no support for mp3 in the default install.04:12
SurveRshelldos: no, ubuntu doesnt come with xmms04:13
eazel7|trey|: thanks!04:13
kentSurveR, read the FAQ and other places on the ubuntu homepage. It tells you what to do.04:13
TreenaksSurveR: yes it does come with xmms, in universal04:13
SurveRkent thx04:13
Treenaksuh04:13
Treenaksuniverse04:13
|trey|deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse even04:13
|trey|I'm drunk  :(04:13
SurveRbut not in warty04:13
vincentSurver: sudo synaptic04:13
Treenaks|trey|: don't drink and irc 8)04:13
|trey|warty*04:13
Treenaksvincent: gksudo, or use the menu04:13
|trey|Treenaks: good advice  ;)04:13
vincentthen valid xmms04:13
SurveRlook04:13
SurveRwait04:13
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|trey|eazel7: but yeah, that is a copy and paste job... yup... if you are comfortable with sid, hoary has xorg + newer packages such as gnome 2.9  :)04:14
Gmailhmmm04:15
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gwildor_imma try and go hoary tonite, good idea or bad idea??04:15
Treenaksgwildor_: only if you know what you're doing04:15
|trey|gwildor_: good idea... if you install apt-listbugs...04:16
sid77gwildor_, I'm doing it atm04:16
gwildor_well, I know how to upgrade to it04:16
Treenaks|trey|: apt-listchanges too04:16
BrianB04Is it a good idea to dist-upgrade with Debian testing into the apt sources?:)04:16
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|trey|Treenaks: eh... that isn't really helpful...04:16
Treenaks|trey|: well, it lists the changelogs..04:17
theineI saw that linux-image-2.6 is obselete now. what is the official ubuntu kernel-image package called now?04:17
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Treenakstheine: obsolete? where did you see that?04:18
theinein synaptic04:18
eazel7thanks04:18
eazel7bbl04:18
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theineTreenaks: I'm using Hoary by the way04:18
|trey|Treenaks: so does /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.gz etc...04:18
Treenaks|trey|: basically (changelog.Debian.gz then..)04:18
|trey|Treenaks: apt-listchanges is only useful if you have cron handle upgrades imo04:19
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SurveRre04:19
SurveRInconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!04:19
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Treenaks|trey|: no, I've aborted upgrades because I read it :)04:19
danielsSurveR: nvidia proprietary drivers04:19
Kal_Zakathhi04:19
SurveR?04:20
SurveRnvidia proprietary?04:20
danielsSurveR: have you installed the nvidia-glx package or whatever?04:20
danielsthe nvidia drivers04:20
SurveRyes04:20
danielsthat's their problem, we don't know to fix it because we don't have the source code04:21
SurveRaham04:21
SurveRsome app equals xmms?04:21
Treenaksdaniels: yay for legal issues :|04:21
kenttotem.04:21
vincentRythmbox04:21
vincentiTunes like04:21
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mirakSurveR: amarok04:22
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mirakif you install it you need to run amarokapp first04:23
thoreauputicalso beep-media-player  :)04:23
SurveRbut really... i want xmms04:23
SurveRhehehehehe04:23
vincentlol04:23
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thoreauputicapt-cache show beep-media-player04:25
thoreauputic A player that supports Winamp skins, with a customizable interface based on04:25
thoreauputic GTK2. It has various output plugins and can read various audio formats.04:25
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Gmail|SLEEPlol wimamp is dead and clones are just appearing04:26
Gmail|SLEEPnight04:26
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SurveRmmm04:27
SurveRhow update menus when i install some program?04:27
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Diavolohello people, im trying to mount a fat32 partition, so i add "04:27
SurveRlol04:28
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netmonkis there someone from Bulgaria aroun here?!04:28
Kal_ZakathSurveR : well, if it isn't updated, maybe you have to add it manually, or try a killall gnome-panel in a term04:28
SurveRlol, it's a radical solution04:28
Kal_Zakathit's what I always did04:29
vincenthelp! I can't see my USB external HDD (iOmega) in /dev/sda whereas it is detected in /proc/scsi/usb-storege04:29
SurveRhehehe ;)04:29
Kal_Zakathgnoma-panel will reload by it self04:29
mxpxpodis anyone here using hoary on ppc?04:30
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shelldosI get error msg saying /var doesnt have enough space. When installing the remaining packeges during installation. ??04:30
vincentIs your CD ok?04:31
SurveRthoreauputic: i'm using beep-media-player04:31
SurveRi see well04:32
SurveRsome people caa say my nick?04:32
thoreauputicSurveR: any good? I haven't tried it04:32
SurveRthx04:32
SurveRyes04:32
SurveRits good04:32
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SurveRit's equals winamp or xmms04:33
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thoreauputicSurveR: ah - good to know04:33
mxpxpodSurveR: the only thing that's bad is that it can't read flacs04:33
SurveRflacs?04:33
crimsunI'll ask Scott to touch up his flac plugin for bmp04:33
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mxpxpodcrimsun: awesome04:34
mxpxpodSurveR: flac.sf.net04:34
SurveRam ok04:34
netmonkanyone with ideas on suspend for toshiba laptop? under suse it works with 'echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep' but under Ubuntu the screen just goes blank and then comes back in 1 second. pls, help!04:34
SurveRi see for add all directory04:34
SurveRbut.... :D04:34
shelldosI get error msg saying /var doesnt have enough space. When installing the remaining packeges during installation. ??04:38
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thoreauputicshelldos: how much space did you allocate for ubuntu? Sounds like not enough... ?04:41
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shelldosthoreauputic: tha partition is 5gb04:41
thoreauputichmm... should be plenty. Don't know then04:42
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suposIs this way cool or what: My parents asked me (!) if I could please install GNU/Linux on their computer, as they were growing sick and tired of Windows!04:53
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suposOnly problem is that it's an old celeron 333 with only 64 megs of ram, and I was wondering how Ubuntu would run on this?04:54
miraksupos: a bit short on ram maybe04:54
mirakbut it will work for sure04:54
mirakkde will maybe be a bit laggy04:54
mirakah sorry there is not kde on ubuntu :D04:55
suposlol04:55
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mirakI installed debian on a power mac 120mhz 64mo of ram04:55
mxpxpodis anyone here that uses hoary on ppc?04:55
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mirakmxpxpod: why ?04:55
aim1159are there any russina-speaking users here?04:56
suposI'm running Debian myself, but I figured Ubuntu might be a bit easier for my computer illiterate parents04:56
mxpxpodmirak: I'd like to know if xorg works well on it04:56
mirakmxpxpod: why not ?04:56
mxpxpodmirak: just checking04:56
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mirakmxpxpod: I have debian on a G3, and there is no visible difference in usage in fact04:57
mirakthan from a PC04:57
mxpxpodmirak: ok04:57
aim1159mirak: what the sense to use debian on G3 instead of Classic MacOS 9?04:57
mxpxpodmirak: I've got an ibook g4, so I don't know how well drm works on it with xorg04:58
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heavyhow do i setup an nfs client in ubuntu?05:00
mirakaim1159: ???05:01
mirakaim1159: if you would have suggested OS X instead of OS 9 well maybe05:01
mirakbut OS 905:01
mirakduh05:01
mirakaim1159: in fact the official reason is that I don't have OS 9 licence05:02
mirakaim1159: nor OS X05:02
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heavyi have nfs-common installed but it doesn't start05:02
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mirakaim1159: because my neighoburg gave the mac05:02
shaverand they kept the license?05:02
shaverinteresting choice05:03
mirakaim1159: so I installed linux on it first. Then I recently installed OS X.05:03
crimsunheavy: http://www.metaconsultancy.com/whitepapers/nfs.htm05:03
mirakshaver: in fact I think I have OS 9 orignal CD05:03
mirakbut OS 9 is not supported anymore anyway05:03
mirakusing linux on a mac is like using linux on a pc05:03
mirakyou avoid proprietary OS05:03
mirakand have tons of free applications05:04
mirakand applications not available elsewhere anyway05:04
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heavycrimsun, thanks, i'll take a look05:05
mirakmxpxpod: ibooks are really jewels of technology and design05:05
mirak:D05:05
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aim1159mirak: mmm... it's strange. I though all Mac hardware came with MacOS pre-installed with the licence of cause. And the licence could not be separete from the installed os...05:07
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khwarizmiI have a question: after doing some research, I still didn't find a solution about the "burning VCDs with Ubuntu"-issue. Does anybody know a solution for it?05:08
crimsunwhat type of file(s) are you trying to burn?05:08
mirakaim1159: I had this discussion on #macosx05:09
aim1159mirak: and?05:09
mirakaim1159: I have licence for OS 9 then05:09
mirakbut not OS X05:09
aim1159of cause.05:09
mirakor well if you are right that's fine05:09
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mirakby the way I downloaded OS X05:09
aim1159it's stupid, I think, to set up os x on g3 - it's not a good hardware for mac os x05:10
mirakand installed it05:10
mirakthere is no copy protection05:10
Chibio_O05:10
mirakthere is no key protection05:10
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Echylomaybe it was disabled already :)05:10
ChibiFun. I wish I had a powerpc laying around. :o05:10
mirakaim1159: how do you know ?05:10
mirakaim1159: os x runs fine on it, I don't see the problem05:10
khwarizmicrimsun: Well, I have MPEGs.05:11
mirakaim1159: even expose is working05:11
crimsunkhwarizmi: do you have a cue sheet as well?05:11
aim1159mirak: mmm... it's too slow for me. osx on g4 runs much smoother05:11
mirakaim1159: that's not as fluid than on a G5, but that's still better than any expose like on windows or linux05:11
mirakaim1159: then give me your g405:11
miraklol05:11
aim1159mirak: it's not mine. it's a spbu's mac05:12
aim1159both of them05:12
khwarizmicrimsun: No, I don't. But do I need that? In Windows times one wasn't neccesary. I just used Nero, I chose "VCD", specified the MPEG file, and there I went.05:12
mirakaim1159: anyway I run linux on it most of the time. I installed OS X not as a necessity, but more to just try it05:12
thoreauputicmirak: is OS X simple to install? and easy for dual-boot etc (I'm not a mac user, but I've been considering it)05:13
crimsunkhwarizmi: I've only used cdrdao w/ cue sheets. K3b may offer functionality to burn as vcd, but I'm uncertain.05:13
mirakthoreauputic: it's very easy to install yes.05:13
mirakthoreauputic: for the dualboot some cautions must be taken05:14
thoreauputicmirak: partitioning?05:14
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mirakthoreauputic: in fact you should try to install linux first, with a separated /home partition that you format i hfsplus05:14
mirakin05:14
thoreauputicI see05:14
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thoreauputicmirak: and do you use grub/lilo. or is it yaboot or whatever it's called?05:15
mirakthoreauputic: ok so I would suggest you to install linux on a 5G partition, then keep a free 5G partition for OS X (it installs on 2,5G without apps)05:15
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mirakthoreauputic: and the rest for home in hfsplus05:15
jimihi05:16
mirakthoreauputic: that's yaboot, but it's similar to lilo05:16
mirakthoreauputic: you must use mac-fdisk instead of fdisk05:16
thoreauputicmirak: OK - thanks for the information05:16
mirakthoreauputic: #debianppc have good support05:16
mirakthoreauputic: there is also #gentoo-ppc05:17
a_i am thinking about running ubuntu.  my only concern is what happens if i use a package from universe, and at some point a vulnerability in that package is discovered.  am i stuck with the vulnerability if i need that package?05:17
thoreauputicmirak: heh - I'll stick with debian :)05:17
khwarizmicrimsun: K3b doesn't offer it, I checked. It offers data CDs, audio CDs, DVDs and that's it.05:17
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mirakthoreauputic: there is a bootstrap partition also to put before the other ones05:18
khwarizmicrimsun: well, then let me ask this way: can I create a CUE sheet in order to burn it with cdrdao?05:18
mirakthoreauputic: mac-fdisk can do that for you05:18
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Echyloquestion about ubuntu!05:20
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Echylohow to shut down x server?05:20
Echylocause init 3, init 5 doesn't really helps05:20
khwarizmiEchoylo: CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE, I think.05:21
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EfaistOsdo u know how to install vmware when the 2.6.8-3 kernel headers are not availble yet ? apparently vmware checks if the headers and the version of kernel are the same ...05:21
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shelldosI get error msg saying /var doesnt have enough space. When installing the remaining packeges during installation. ??05:22
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shelldosconfugaration of xserver etc didnt even come up!05:23
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shelldosstupid installation05:23
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suposshelldos: how much space do you have on /var05:25
jimii dont have bugzilla account, but have lots of information about bug #3196 (instllation process crash)05:25
jimiwho should i give the logs05:25
a_are there any experienced ubuntu users here?05:26