[12:00] <Slackman> kde available in PPC yet?
[12:00] <bigtony> that worked
[12:00] <bigtony> thanks
[12:00] <lemsx1> bigt, pkill -9 xine it's better :-)
[12:00] <Skif> bob2: if this is fixed in dri-upstream, I can try to drop it in and see what happens
[12:00] <bigtony> what does the 9 do?
[12:00] <borgmeister> does anybody know the command for restarting the enlightenment sound daemon?
[12:00] <lemsx1> bigtony, murders the app
[12:00] <ogra> bigtony: tels it to quit in any case
[12:00] <ogra> +l
[12:00] <bigtony> good deal thanks
[12:01] <bob2> Slackman: yes
[12:01] <bob2> Slackman: it has been for weeks
[12:01] <Slackman> bob2 erm. i get unresolved deps
[12:01] <Slackman> i am running warty
[12:01] <bigtony> oh one thing while i'm at it
[12:01] <bob2> Slackman: in warty?
[12:01] <magneto> can i remove the contents of /var/cache/archives without hurting anything
[12:01] <bigtony> i know you can hit control alt f2 to go to shell
[12:01] <bigtony> if it locks up
[12:01] <bob2> magneto: man apt-get, look at "clean" and "autoclean"
[12:02] <bigtony> how do you restart? other than the obvious reset button
[12:02] <magneto> bob2: kool
[12:02] <Slackman> bob2 yeh running warty...and i just upgraded everything today to make sure
[12:02] <bigtony> its control alt f?
[12:02] <Slackman> what am i doing wrong?
[12:02] <ogra> bigt: control-alt-del in the console
[12:02] <bigtony> oh ok
[12:02] <bigtony> thought it was something different
[12:02] <theweb|sleeping> Hey all, is there someone who is using mason?
[12:02] <bigtony> thanks for the help
[12:02] <LinuxJones> bigtony, you probably don't have to re-boot unless your dual booting :)
[12:03] <bigtony> one day i might know how to spell my name :)
[12:03] <bigtony> yeah i was just trying to learn the commands is all thanks
[12:03] <MoisesC> hi there
[12:03] <MoisesC> someone with hoary?
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> yo
[12:03] <Drago> hmmm....
[12:04] <kensai> MoisesC: 60% of all
[12:04] <Drago> should I have a /dev/usb?
[12:04] <MoisesC> after the last update, my nautilus runs slooowly :/
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> MoisesC: install gamin
[12:04] <MoisesC> ok
[12:04] <MoisesC> thanks
[12:04] <Drago> I'm trying to get my scanner working with sane.
[12:04] <ogra> Drago: nope....i got none
[12:05] <kensai> MoisesC: upgrade the ubuntu-desktop it will install gamin and remove something that is not needed
[12:05] <Drago> can anyone help
[12:05] <billytwowilly> how do the debian init levels work again? 3-5 are the same, 2 is no X, 1 is single user, 6 is reboot 0 is off?
[12:05] <Drago> it's a scanner supported by sane
[12:05] <MoisesC> oh ok
[12:05] <ben_> is there a way to make gkrellm go to the system tray, i hate it taking up space on the taskbar
[12:05] <ogra> Drago: type: groups
[12:05] <bob2> billytwowilly: no, 2-5 is the same, 1 is single-user, 6 is reboot
[12:05] <MoisesC> i removed it by the totem-xine stuff
[12:05] <ogra> Drago: is scanner in the list ?
[12:05] <Drago> yes
[12:05] <Drago> it's ausb scanner
[12:05] <ogra> k
[12:05] <billytwowilly> bob2, how do I get to an init level with no X?
[12:06] <MoisesC> (excuse my english)
[12:06] <bob2> billytwowilly: make one
[12:06] <ogra> Drago: model ?
[12:06] <bob2> billytwowilly: rm /etc/rc3.d/*gdm
[12:06] <Drago> Microtek Slimscan C6
[12:06] <billytwowilly> do that for /etc/rc2.d/ if I want it to be init 2 right?
[12:06] <bob2> yes
[12:06] <ogra> Drago: is it shown in the device manager ?
[12:06] <Drago> yes
[12:06] <Drago> it works when I boot off my live cd of knoppix
[12:07] <Drago> just not in ubuntu
[12:07] <ben_> anyone?
[12:07] <cuga> Hey for some reason i can't have files bigger then 2GB , anybody know why?
[12:07] <ogra> Drago: what happens?
[12:07] <Drago> hmm?
[12:07] <bob2> ben_: I'm almost certain you can't
[12:07] <ogra> Drago: if you startxsane
[12:07] <bob2> cuga: it depends what program you're using
[12:07] <Drago> it says no scanner found
[12:07] <ogra> Drago: are you on ppc ?
[12:08] <ben_> bob2, booo, lol. you can't minimize programs to the tray?
[12:08] <cuga> bob2: it was a download from firefox that I let go over night, was supposed to be 2.5GB but it cut off at exacly 2GB
[12:08] <Drago> it shows up as Phantom C6 in device manager.
[12:08] <Drago> no I'm on a AMD
[12:08] <ogra> Drago: 64?
[12:08] <Drago> XP
[12:08] <magneto> ben: try gdesklets
[12:08] <usual> hmmm
[12:08] <usual> wonder why Xorg is being updated again
[12:09] <cuga> bob2: does it make sense that firefox cut it off?
[12:09] <Keybuk> usual: bugs, bugs and more bugs
[12:09] <Drago> my proc is a AMD 1700 XP
[12:09] <Keybuk> did I mention THE BUGS?
[12:09] <ogra> Drago: what says: sane-find-scanner
[12:10] <Desolate> bleh
[12:10] <magneto> bob2: thanks wasnt sure how package data was kept in apt-get
[12:10] <Drago> no usb scanners found'
[12:10] <Desolate> well, I've burned the .iso onto a cd, put it in the drive, and changed the boot options
[12:10] <Desolate> yet I still get an error
[12:10] <ogra> Drago: what says: sudo sane-find-scanner
[12:11] <Drago> the exact same thing
[12:11] <bob2> ben_: there is no "tray" in gnome
[12:11] <bob2> ben_: there's a "notification area", and no you can't minimize random programs to it
[12:11] <bob2> cuga: I'd have thought firefox would support large files
[12:11] <ben_> aw
[12:11] <Keybuk> bob2: everyone calls it the "tray" :)
[12:11] <bob2> cuga: you could use wget -c on it
[12:11] <ben_> there should be a tray :p
[12:12] <bob2> heh, true
[12:12] <Keybuk> bob2: even the API is eggtrayicon :p
[12:12] <bob2> hahaha
[12:12] <Keybuk> but no, you can't minimize to it because that would be "stupid"
[12:12] <cuga> bob2: yeah i just read up on it, it is firefox's problem :( night of downloading down the crapper
[12:12] <Keybuk> what's wrong with the usual minimisation?
[12:13] <Drago> someone said before it may be fasely busy.
[12:13] <Drago> could that be true?
[12:13] <Drago> if it is I wouldn't have a clue how to fix it.
[12:13] <ogra> Drago: replug it
[12:13] <Drago> did that about 50 times
[12:14] <bob2> cuga: you can use wget to resume it
[12:14] <Drago> different ports
[12:14] <Drago> turned it off then on
[12:15] <ogra> Drago: i think filing a bug would be best here....
[12:15] <Drago> with who?
[12:16] <ogra> Drago: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:17] <ben_> is there an arial equivilant in open office
[12:17] <usual> gmail is a big lie
[12:17] <usual> pop support my ass
[12:17] <ben_> usual: u are stupid, they said that they are phasing it in
[12:18] <ogra> Drago: package xsane
[12:18] <ben_> before you dis a great service, look around for a few minutes ;)
[12:18] <usual> ben_, I wouldn't say I am stupid
[12:18] <ben_> usual: fine, misinformed/ignorant :p
[12:18] <ben_> j/k, lol
[12:18] <usual> ben_, misinformed
[12:18] <will_> why is it so bad?
[12:19] <usual> I was just told about it and given the help link
[12:19] <usual> no info
[12:19] <ben_> it was on slashdot
[12:19] <usual> oh
[12:19] <usual> this is what I got
[12:19] <usual> http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13273&query=pop&topic=0&type=f
[12:20] <ben_> anyways
[12:20] <ben_> is there an arial-type font in OpenOffice?
[12:20] <Drago> damn...
[12:20] <Drago> I want to scan...
[12:21] <ben_> anyone?
[12:21] <fga> can anyone help troubleshooting software suspend ?
[12:21] <bob2> ben_: you can get arial
[12:22] <bob2> fga: ask on the list and use a subject interesting enough to draw in matthew ;-)
[12:22] <ogra> Drago: sorry no idea.... you scanner is detected, xsane is working ..... its no permission problem as sudo changes nothing.....
[12:23] <Drago> I don't know if this is useful but... I use vmware. and when I try to get the scanner to be used in vmware it says it "specified device seems to be claimed by another driver (microtekX6) on host operating system)(ubuntu)
[12:23] <fga> bob2: i'll try this... hope i didn't just do something wrong :)
[12:24] <Drago> it's like something is using it
[12:24] <Drago> but not telling me.
[12:24] <bob2> Drago: you're running all this inside vmware?
[12:24] <Drago> no
[12:24] <Drago> I run VMware in Ubuntu
[12:25] <Drago> I was gonna see if I could get it to work under vmware
[12:25] <Drago> but vmware can't take control of the USB because it says something else has it claimed.
[12:25] <Drago> I run windows in vmware
[12:26] <Ruffian|JANE|> Ubuntu controlls you!
[12:27] <Ruffian|JANE|> im gonna make a background that says that
[12:27] <Drago> my main OS is Ubuntu I have VMware installed running windows 2003 server
[12:28] <|trey|> Drago:  you have w2k3 server as a guest OS? that doesn't seem smart  :o
[12:28] <Drago> |trey|: it's fun.
[12:28] <Drago> I also have windows xp installed too.
[12:28] <ogra> Drago: do you ahve added any kernel options (noacpi/noapic etc )?
[12:29] <Drago> ummm I have the default kernel.
[12:29] <|trey|> Drago:  I have to get around to installing w2k3 server, seems decent, but on my hardware its gonna be a pain :(
[12:29] <|trey|> Drago:  XP sucks imo  :(
[12:29] <ben_> bob2, where do i get arial, and what folder should it go in?
[12:29] <Drago> |trey| yes it does, 2k3 is nice
[12:30] <bob2> ben_: corefonts.sf.net
[12:30] <bob2> ben_: ~/.fonts/
[12:30] <bob2> which I assume OO uses
[12:30] <Drago> ogra, how do I find out.
[12:30] <|trey|> Drago:  yes, want to learn some more about it   :)
[12:30] <ogra> Drago: if you didnt add it....its not there
[12:30] <|trey|> Spent all of like a couple weeks with it, thats not enough time to know it  :(
[12:31] <Drago> someone said something about hotplug causing the problem
[12:31] <seek187> Is there any way to upgrade gaim? there isn't any software repos for this  type of thing?
[12:31] <ogra> Drago: nope, hotplug loads the module....
[12:31] <Drago> I mean hotplug crashed once and made me like not be able to use my usb till it turned off the computer and powersupply.
[12:31] <|trey|> seek187:  umm... I'm @ 1.0.2 ... this isn't in warty?
[12:32] <Lowry> hi all
[12:32] <ogra> Drago: its obviously there, you can see the scanner in the dev manager
[12:32] <Drago> yeah
[12:32] <seek187> |trey| Mine is only 1.0.0
[12:32] <ogra> Drago: on which event crashed your hotplug ?
[12:33] <ogra> Drago: did you plug in anything?
[12:33] <|trey|> seek187:  add warty-updates to your sources.list
[12:33] <seek187> ok
[12:33] <Rotund> yup.  GAIM is only 1.0.0 in warty
[12:33] <Drago> it was booting up
[12:34] <Drago> it got to hotplug loading
[12:34] <Drago> and then it just stopped
[12:34] <Drago> I waited 15 min
[12:34] <Drago> it still didn't move
[12:34] <ogra> Drago: hmm....
[12:34] <Drago> so I restarted
[12:34] <seek187> |trey|, in which line in my sources.list?
[12:34] <Lowry> Any ppc users with hoary?
[12:34] <Drago> nothing in my usb worked
[12:34] <Drago> which at the time had my KB and Mouse plugged in to
[12:34] <|trey|> seek187:  umm, anywere... its like 'warty' or 'warty-security'...
[12:35] <Drago> the bios couldn't even find them
[12:35] <seek187> ohh ok
[12:35] <seek187> thx
[12:35] <ogra> Drago: do you use a hub ?
[12:35] <Drago> yes
[12:35] <Lowry> When I select lcd in fonts- text forms a thin blue edge around it
[12:36] <ogra> Drago: could you trythe scanner without ?
[12:36] <Drago> cord won't reach
[12:37] <Drago> I'd need about another 7 feet or wire.
[12:37] <stuNNed_> what samba packages does network-admin use to connect to windows shares?
[12:37] <|trey|> stuNNed:  smbclient
[12:37] <ogra> Drago: the symptoms look like your hub is your problem
[12:37] <Drago> hmmm
[12:37] <Rotund> gaim is still at 1.0.0 in the updates
[12:37] <Drago> if that was true, why when I load knoppix off the CD does my scanner work.
[12:38] <ogra> Drago: hmm, how many meters of usb wire do you have attached?
[12:38] <|trey|> Rotund: hmm.. ok.. that sucks for warty users  8)
[12:38] <Rotund> |trey|: which are you using?
[12:38] <Rotund> you doing hoary?
[12:38] <Drago> ogra: the 4 foot wire to the scanner from the hub
[12:38] <grape> ogra: i had the same problem the other night when I installed warty for a friend
[12:38] <|trey|> Rotund: yes.
[12:38] <Drago> the 3 foot wire from the hub to the computer
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: it's unlikely to break
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: eg: gamin, etc
[12:39] <grape> usb registered in when I tailed messages, but just that it existed
[12:39] <Rotund> |trey|: is it pretty stable (usable)
[12:39] <ogra> Drago grape: one of you should file a bug....really.....
[12:39] <stuNNed_> |trey|, and smbclient doesn't need samba installed to work, is this right?
[12:39] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: I've had no gamin or xorg probs so far  :/
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: I know, but if you need a machine to work
[12:39] <Drago> grape, did you get it to work?
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> anbd it already does what you need
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> why screw with it?
[12:39] <Drago> that link won't load.
[12:40] <grape> well, I have got to get it resolved tonight - usb stuff works fine on my thinkpad, but not an i810.... which is juat wacky
[12:40] <|trey|> stuNNed: yes...
[12:40] <ogra> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[12:40] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: I've used Sid in an enterprise environment with little problems...
[12:40] <grape> will do :-)
[12:40] <seek187> Hmmm there is no warty-updates Error 404
[12:40] <Rotund> what is in the multiverse that isn't in the universe?
[12:41] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: yes, we use it here as well, but the point is, when you NEED it to work
[12:41] <Drago> hmmm is there anyway to scan my usb ports through terminal?
[12:41] <chibifs> o_o
[12:41] <HrdwrBoB> and you don't want to change
[12:41] <HrdwrBoB> eg: you run warty
[12:41] <|trey|> Rotund: flash plugins, mplayer etc...
[12:41] <HrdwrBoB> then when you need a new package
[12:41] <ogra> Drago lsusb
[12:41] <chibifs> Gah. BitchX is evil. ;_;
[12:41] <ben_> can i just copy over a whole bunch of windows true type fonts? will that work?
[12:41] <HrdwrBoB> .. you just install it
[12:41] <grape> ogra, can you tell me if sda1 would pop up on the desktop by default, or would I have had to configure that?
[12:41] <HrdwrBoB> you don't need to update your syttem
[12:41] <ben_> i have a windows box downstairs
[12:41] <HrdwrBoB> chibifs: use irssi
[12:41] <Xenguy> chibifs: yes it is - kill it now! :-)
[12:41] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: You're a pretty lousy sys admin if you don't plan for upgrades :/
[12:41] <chibifs> Is it anything like xchat? I'm building a console only machine. :/
[12:42] <ogra> grape: it should appear by default..... but sometimes the fam process doesnt rcognize.....
[12:42] <Drago> hmmm Bus 002 Device 024: ID 05da:009a Microtek International, Inc. Phantom C6 there it is... is there anyway yo link that to /dev/usbscannerxxx like sane looks for?
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: um.. no, but say one day you're doing some troublshooting and you need an app that's not installed
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> if you are tracking an unstable version
[12:42] <grape> ogra: ok cool, thanks :-)
[12:42] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: the BEST thing about apt is that you can easily upgrade a running system with little problems...
[12:42] <Xenguy> chibifs: irrsi is good
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> you may have to upgrade core system libraries
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> which MAY break things
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> and I don't want to break things on a production server for stupid reasons
[12:42] <ogra> grape: so its mounted, but not shown,....
[12:42] <Drago> wait... I think I found something out...
[12:43] <Drago> okay
[12:43] <Drago> I have libusb installed.
[12:43] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: I guess... but then, enless you are paying for Warty support, you are owed no support anyways...
[12:43] <Drago> but I just noticed sane-find-scanner is saying libusb not availible.
[12:43] <ogra> Drago: you have anything sane needs to work by default installed :)
[12:43] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: that's not the point, the point is, it works
[12:43] <Drago> I have all the sane and dependencies installed
[12:43] <Drago> libusb is the most current.
[12:44] <HrdwrBoB> then you PLAN your upgrade to the latest stable after however long
[12:44] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: that IS my point though... and hoary works...  :/
[12:44] <HrdwrBoB> and you migrate to that
[12:44] <Drago> so why is sane not finding it.
[12:44] <Drago> hmmmm
[12:44] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: yes hoary works, but it a) constantly changes
[12:44] <Chibi> Hm :/
[12:44] <HrdwrBoB> and b) *MIGHT* not work
[12:44] <bob2> Ruffian|JANE|: please turn that off
[12:44] <HrdwrBoB> I'm not willing to stake my job
[12:44] <ogra> Drago: you did install something extra ?
[12:44] <HrdwrBoB> on the constant workingness of unstable packages
[12:45] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: ok...
[12:45] <Rotund> grrr.  I want gstreamer-ffmpeg
[12:45] <HrdwrBoB> on my desktop, it's ok, if I break it, I can fix it, and no-one else is disadvantaged
[12:45] <Drago> only thing I installed was vmware.
[12:45] <Drago> hmmm perhaps I should try building libusb?
[12:45] <HrdwrBoB> or on a test server, whatever
[12:46] <ogra> Drago: no
[12:46] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: just for the record... I recently installed 30 or so Ubuntu Hoary boxes on my campus, why? Because the teacher insisted on xorg...
[12:46] <Drago> ogra: why not?
[12:47] <kensai> what does composite really do in xorg?
[12:47] <Drago> hmmm is there a libusb package on the ubuntu servers?
[12:47] <Slackman> kensai...slows it down :P
[12:47] <|trey|> kensai: hardware acceleration...
[12:47] <bob2> slow things down a lot
[12:47] <bob2> hah
[12:47] <ogra> Drago: my scanner works, as a lot of others do too, lets find the problem ....
[12:47] <bob2> |trey|: no, it does not
[12:47] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: yeah but they are end user systems
[12:47] <HrdwrBoB> one person per machine?
[12:47] <|trey|> bob2: umm... thats its purpose...
[12:48] <HrdwrBoB> also, unchanging environment
[12:48] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: yes...
[12:48] <HrdwrBoB> you can test upgrades on one machine
[12:48] <ogra> Drago: and not break your install....
[12:48] <HrdwrBoB> that is the point
[12:48] <kensai> |trey|, Slackman, which one is corect?
[12:48] <bob2> |trey|: no, the composite extension does not do " hardware acceleration"
[12:48] <Slackman> |trey| er..its purpose is to render off screen..
[12:48] <bob2> it's purpose is off-screen composition
[12:48] <Slackman> this can be used for opengl later to make it faster
[12:48] <Slackman> but at the moment
[12:48] <Slackman> its software
[12:48] <Slackman> and slow as shit
[12:48] <kensai> Slackman, I don't see any difference not even slow things down
[12:48] <HrdwrBoB> Slackman: nvidia drivers accelerate it
[12:48] <Slackman> but it will, in future allow for a flickerless x
[12:48] <HrdwrBoB> it's still slow
[12:48] <|trey|> ok.. I don't get why so many people care then?
[12:49] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: pretty shadows!
[12:49] <bob2> |trey|: they want pointless transparent stuff
[12:49] <sjoerd> kensai: you probably use something like xcompmgr then
[12:49] <HrdwrBoB> TRULY transparent backgrounds
[12:49] <Slackman> kensai: it depends, nvidia cards work well
[12:49] <ogra> Drago: install libsane-extras
[12:49] <|trey|> I was under the impression from peoples comments that it did indeed use your graphics card etc... else it seems pointless  :/
[12:49] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: if you have an nvidia card, are using the nvidia drivers, and enable it in the config, it does
[12:49] <Slackman> HrdwrBoB yeh true, nvidia does accel it, but its not really any faster
[12:49] <HrdwrBoB> and it WILL in other cards.. later
[12:50] <HrdwrBoB> Slackman: it's an order of magnitude faster
[12:50] <Slackman> it will be faster when they fix it more
[12:50] <kensai> sjoerd: I dont have that
[12:50] <Slackman> its pretty much the same on my system
[12:50] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB: thats kinda what I had gathered... makes a lot more sense...
[12:50] <mjr> the point is that the composite manager can render the windows any way it seems fit, so that should include any hw-accelerated ways too; just a matter of coding
[12:50] <Drago> installed.
[12:50] <kensai> Slackman: I am usnig Nvidia
[12:50] <sjoerd> kensai: then there is no difference, because your not really using it
[12:50] <|trey|> Making the GUI prettier, but slower is not useful...
[12:51] <grape> ogra and Drago: I am going to grab a shower and head off to my friend's house - will file the bug report on the usb from there if need be. I'd rather have the system in front of me before I go and make assumptions...
[12:51] <Slackman> kensai, just give it a go and see how it goes..its flickerless, for me its about the same, but on anything other than nvidia its horribly slow
[12:51] <kensai> sjoerd: how I install it?
[12:51] <grape> catch you guys in an hour or so
[12:51] <ogra> Drago: retry sane
[12:51] <Slackman> kensai, google for it, you dont need ot install it, just enable it
[12:51] <Drago> ogra: still says "libusb not available" in the sane-find-scanner
[12:51] <ogra> Drago: retry sane
[12:51] <Drago> reinstalled it's the same
[12:52] <Drago> also reinstalled libusb too.
[12:52] <Drago> same outcome.
[12:52] <grape> Drago: "fix broken packages" or "ldconfig" maybe? just thinking of things I didn't do ;-)
[12:53] <|trey|> 'fix broken packages' = apt-get -f install?
[12:53] <ogra> grape: not on a default install with nothing tweaked.....except.....
[12:53] <ogra> Drago: please stop vmware and make sure the vmware modules are unloaded
[12:53] <Drago> just a FYI: it didn't work before vmware was installed.
[12:54] <ogra> lol
[12:54] <ogra> k
[12:54] <grape> |trey|: fix broken packages in synaptics..
[12:54] <Drago> I did that.
[12:54] <Drago> nothings broken
[12:54] <|trey|> grape: umm, I gathered that, just seeing what it actually does...
[12:54] <grape> that's what they all say ;-)
[12:54] <grape> hehe
[12:54] <grape> lol oh ok
[12:54] <grape> it just "fixes" things ;-)
[12:54] <cuga> the header files for my running kernel should be in my /lib/modules/kernerversion right?
[12:55] <|trey|> grape: so does -f for apt-get...
[12:55] <Drago> it just looks like sane does not want to find libusb
[12:55] <ogra> Drago: and you did not install sane or anything extra except libsane-extras ?
[12:56] <seek187> hmmm no gaim in warty-updates either :(
[12:56] <Drago> umm hmm I installed a few extra packages from synaptic.
[12:57] <ogra> Drago: do a search for sane in synaptic
[12:57] <ogra> Drago: uninstall all packages without a logo in the found packages.....
[12:58] <Drago> okay
[12:59] <ben_> wtf
[12:59] <ben_> wtf
[12:59] <ben_> wtf
[12:59] <seek187> ?
[12:59] <ben_> unbuntu crashed on me
[12:59] <ben_> the whole thing
[12:59] <ben_> mouse would move but nothing responded
[12:59] <Drago> removed.
[12:59] <ben_> not cool
[12:59] <Drago> still the same.
[12:59] <Drago> well the ones found with sane
[01:00] <ben_> i switched to linux so it would be more stable than windows 98, not so it would crash >:(
[01:00] <bob2> you're running warty?
[01:00] <ben_> how can i look at the sys log to see why it crashed?
[01:00] <ben_> bob2: yeah
[01:00] <Drago> no change
[01:00] <bob2>  /var/log/syslog
[01:00] <ogra> Drago: replugged ?
[01:01] <Drago> yep
[01:01] <Drago> scan-find-scanner still says libusb not found
[01:01] <Drago> err availible
[01:02] <ogra> Drago: you uninstalled the packages like i told you??
[01:02] <Drago> yes I uninstalled all sane packages with out the ubuntu logo next to them
[01:03] <ogra> Drago: funnyly you just installed sane-find-scanner  ...... why is it there ?
[01:03] <ogra> uninstalled
[01:04] <Drago> sane-find-scanner is part of sane
[01:04] <fga> i built a custom kernel and would need to manually add some modules to the initrd file... how can i mount it in read/write mode ?
[01:04] <ben_> what does a crash look like in the logs?
[01:04] <ogra> Drago: and sane has a logo in front ?
[01:04] <Drago> it's needed for sane to run.
[01:04] <ogra> Drago: nope
[01:04] <ogra> Drago: xsane has the logo
[01:05] <Agrajag-> does the ubuntu installer happen to come with a tool for resizing parititions?
[01:05] <ogra> Drago: not sane
[01:05] <HrdwrBoB> Agrajag-: yes
[01:05] <Agrajag-> HrdwrBoB: ta
[01:06] <Drago> I only have xsane xsane-common libsane pyton2.3-imaging-sane and python-imaging-sane installed
[01:06] <Drago> one of those packages have to have sane-find-scanner in it then
[01:07] <nixman> is there a howto on playing all media files with mplayer ? right now i got mozplugger and it defaults to using realplayer for certain things
[01:07] <ben_> "Nov 10 18:51:20 localhost kernel: hermes @ IO 0x100: Error -16 issuing command."
[01:07] <ben_> did that crash it?
[01:08] <ben_> if so, uh, what's that mean?
[01:08] <ogra> Drago: copy n paste: dpkg -S `which sane-find-scanner`
[01:08] <ben_> it repeats that error a couple times
[01:09] <ben_> "Nov 10 18:51:19 localhost kernel: hermes @ IO 0x100: Timeout waiting for command completion.
[01:09] <ben_> Nov 10 18:51:19 localhost kernel: hermes @ IO 0x100: Error -16 issuing command."
[01:09] <ben_> anyone?
[01:09] <ben_> c'mon, warty crashed, isn't that important :p
[01:09] <HrdwrBoB> ben_: it's broken
[01:09] <Drago> dpkg: /usr/local/bin/sane-find-scanner not found.
[01:09] <ben_> HrdwrBoB, what's broken?
[01:10] <Drago> it still runs when I type it.
[01:10] <ogra> Drago: uninstall whatever you compiled yourself for the scanner
[01:11] <ben_> anyone?
[01:11] <Zugwrack> ogra: How do I upgrade from Warty to Hoary?
[01:11] <Drago> and how would I do that.
[01:11] <Zugwrack> Hi ben_:
[01:11] <ben_> hi :)
[01:11] <ben_> lol
[01:12] <ben_> warty crashed, but no one will explain why :(
[01:12] <ben_> scroll up
[01:12] <ogra> Drago: make uninstall in the source tree....if this isnt implemented....no idea
[01:12] <kapputu> hi all
[01:12] <ogra> Zugwrack: sure you want to do this ?
[01:12] <LinuxJones> ben, a search on google reveals that's a network card problem
[01:12] <Drago> there.
[01:13] <Zugwrack> ogra: No..but I still have the PPC cd if I need to reinstall...I have /dev/hdb just for linux ;->))
[01:13] <ben_> LinuxJones, and that can crash the whole system?
[01:13] <JDahl> ben_, rest assured - if I knew why your machine crashed I would tell you. I am not at all like the other secretive bastards in here
[01:13] <Drago> ogra: done
[01:13] <LinuxJones> ben, I don't think that's you problem no
[01:13] <JDahl> they all know - but they're not telling you :S
[01:13] <ogra> Drago: type sane-find-scanner
[01:13] <ben_> the network card was working fine though, i even took it out and put it back in to try and unfreeze it and the wireless network applet detected it
[01:13] <Drago> it's not there.
[01:13] <LinuxJones> ben, but stranger things have been known to happen :D
[01:13] <kapputu> what's been happening with ubuntu ?
[01:13] <ogra> Drago: great
[01:13] <kapputu> haven't followed in a while
[01:13] <ogra> Drago: xsane
[01:14] <Drago> still can't find it.
[01:14] <seek187> Is Hoary broken really bad? im thinking of upgrading to it
[01:14] <Drago> my friend sam was tryingt o figure it out yesterday he must of compiled it.
[01:14] <ogra> Drago: what else did you compile??
[01:14] <HrdwrBoB> Drago: must have compiled it
[01:14] <HrdwrBoB> not of
[01:15] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: his friend.....argh
[01:15] <Drago> only thing 'I' compiled was vmware.
[01:15] <Drago> well installed
[01:15] <kapputu> ogra, how r u
[01:16] <ogra> Drago: you dont need to compile anything in ubuntu.....if it doesnt work its a bug.... report it  and it will be fixed
[01:16] <ben_> brb
[01:16] <Zugwrack> Ok is there a Hoary PPC cd for download?
[01:16] <ogra> Zugwrack: no need for this ;)
[01:16] <Drago> there is stuff you need to compile in ubuntu simply because of the fact that it is not part of ubuntu
[01:16] <Drago> like vmware
[01:16] <seek187> can I just put hoary in my sources list in place and warty and upgrade that way?
[01:16] <Zugwrack> ogra: So how to do it?
[01:17] <ogra> Zugwrack: if you want to upgrade just change warty to hoary insynaptic.....
[01:18] <ogra> Zugwrack: and do a smart upgrade (mark all upgrades)
[01:18] <Zugwrack> Ahhh..just change the line that says Warty to Hoary...wow that was too hard...duh...then synaptic will take over and upgrade?(after apply?)
[01:18] <ogra> Zugwrack: leave out security......
[01:18] <Zugwrack> Ok
[01:18] <kapputu> hey ogra, do you know when the CDs were shipped?\
[01:18] <Drago> thats the only thing I made
[01:18] <Zugwrack> universe, multiverse, etc?
[01:19] <Drago> there is no other source code on my computer besides vmware
[01:19] <ogra> kapputu: look at shipit.ubuntu.com
[01:19] <kapputu> do they give you the dates when they were shipped ?
[01:19] <ogra> Zugwrack: yep
[01:19] <Drago> and sane-backend which I asked and sam compiled trying ot get it to work.
[01:19] <ogra> kapputu: yep
[01:19] <Drago> but that is not uninstalled.
[01:20] <Zugwrack> ogra: I was asking earlier about when I open terminal...that I always have to resize it...I haven't been able to figure out how to tell the terminal to save the size I have re-sized to?
[01:20] <ogra> Drago: look in /usr/local...there should be noting in /lib or /bin ....
[01:20] <kapputu> they were sent the day before
[01:20] <kapputu> how long does it take to reach?
[01:20] <ogra> Zugwrack: me neither ;)
[01:21] <ogra> Zugwrack: but its a often requested thing i notice....
[01:21] <ben_> firefox 1.0 is so much better than what warty comes with
[01:21] <Drago> nothing there.
[01:22] <Zugwrack> ogra: Another terminal might allow this? or is it related to gnome desktop itself?
[01:22] <Zugwrack> ben_: So you got it upgraded eh?
[01:22] <kapputu> hmm is there a way to install firefox 1.0 on top of ubuntu's ?
[01:24] <Zugwrack> How do I disable pbbuttonsd?
[01:25] <Zugwrack> What is the script name used to load extras at the end of bootstrap?
[01:25] <Drago> ogra: still doesn't change the fact that xsane doesn't find my scanner.
[01:25] <Pariente> can some one tell me how to configure a motorola cable model in ubuntu 4.10??????
[01:26] <Pariente> surpricingly the eth0 didnt work now matter what i do
[01:26] <Hoodster> HI All. I have a question about mounting nfs. I want to be able to browse a nfs machine on my local network. I try to do a mount command but I get a permission denied, which I don't understand because I can browse the nfs server from a different machine running (KDE). Any suggestion?
[01:26] <RageMax> the clock applet and evolution is broken in hoary right now
[01:26] <RageMax> just a note to anyone who hasn't upgraded yet
[01:26] <Lowry> I am sharing internet from my G4 to my powerbook - what a a good way to copy a file from my hoary powerbook to the g4?
[01:26] <Zugwrack> hoodster: you have hosts and hosts.allow setup on box machines?
[01:27] <Zugwrack> Lowry: smb://<g4 name or ip> it should ask for username password...
[01:27] <Hoodster> Zugwrack: Not sure. How do I find out? On the NFS server I am running NFS-Lite, which is very basic and should not restrict users from accessing it.
[01:28] <Zugwrack> Hoodster: First off you need some basic things done on both machines...I assume both are *nix?
[01:28] <Lowry> thx
[01:28] <Zugwrack> Lowry: NP
[01:28] <Lowry> os x
[01:28] <kapputu> hmm, when I do a About firefox, it shows it as version 0.93
[01:28] <kapputu> can someone verify ?
[01:29] <Lowry> I was using a flash drive
[01:29] <Lowry> But it was change to read only
[01:29] <Hoodster> Zugwrack: What are these basic things? The NFS server should be setup already.
[01:29] <stuNNed_> man
[01:29] <stuNNed_> Ubuntu just works :D
[01:30] <Zugwrack> Hoodster: What operating systems are you running first off...even M$ has a hosts file
[01:30] <ben_> if i just paste a .ttf file in the fonts folder, will it show up in open office?
[01:30] <kapputu> stuNNed, I can see you still are ...
[01:30] <Hoodster> Zugwrack: I apologize for not specifying. The NFS server is running NFS-Lite, which is linux, and the client is running Ubuntu Warty 4.10
[01:31] <Drago> ogra, anyclue what else may be causing it?
[01:31] <jdub> Hoodster: see /etc/default/portmap
[01:32] <kapputu> firefox 1.0 kicks ass !!
[01:32] <Zugwrack> Hoodster: Ok then you will need to have at least setup a username the same on both boxes..then edit hosts and hosts.allow to make sure you can map using the hostname, or ip(this will let each of them know about the other)
[01:32] <Hoodster> jdub: I edited /etc/default/portmap and commented out the only entry. I did not reboot after I did that.
[01:32] <jdub> Hoodster: /etc/init.d/portmap restart
[01:33] <kensai> Oh I never knew how great xfce was
[01:33] <kensai> it is by far the best lightweight desktop IMHO
[01:33] <ben_> anyone?
[01:33] <ben_> can i just paste a .ttf file into the fonts folder and open office will pick it up?
[01:34] <stuNNed_> in yours opinions  what do you think has the better ms office filters?  abiword/gnumeric or OOo?
[01:34] <cypher-> give it a try and find out
[01:34] <cypher-> you can always safly remove it afterwards
[01:34] <Hoodster> jdub: Thanks, I will try it.
[01:34] <ben_> cypher-, was that to me?
[01:34] <cypher-> yes
[01:34] <ben_> i can't seem to find where all the fonts are held though..
[01:34] <ogra> Drago: could you try again: sudo xsane
[01:35] <cypher-> /usr/lib/X11/fonts/
[01:35] <Drago> nothing
[01:36] <Drago> I reinstalled the sane packages and it detects scanners...
[01:36] <Drago> 3 of them
[01:36] <ogra> Drago ARGH.....
[01:36] <ogra> Drago why did you do this
[01:36] <valeria> hi all
[01:36] <Drago> it's the sane package.
[01:36] <ogra> Drago its from universe and its not needed...
[01:37] <valeria> i have nvidia geforce 4 mx and i've installed nvidia drivers from ubuntu
[01:37] <Drago> fine. I uninstalled it.
[01:37] <stuNNed_> how do i turn off autocompletion in open office writer?
[01:37] <ogra> Drago: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3306
[01:37] <ogra> Drago: seems related
[01:37] <valeria> when i launch an application with 3d i got:  xlib: extension  "xfree86-dri" missing on display
[01:38] <Hoodster> Zugwrack and jdub: I can connect to the nfs server by clicking on Computer | Network, Then click on File | Connect to server... I then select "Custom Location". I enter the IP address and a server name. An icon appears in the Network window and desktop and when I click on it, my browser launches and I can see the contents of the NFS-Lite fileserver, but I can't really interact with the files. There must be a different way to access it.
[01:38] <valeria> any hint
[01:38] <cypher-> valeria, what graphics card do you have ?
[01:38] <ben_> what's the command to copy files?
[01:38] <ogra> Drago: tryteh differentbootoptions mentioned there
[01:39] <ogra> ben_: cp
[01:39] <valeria> ge force 4 mx480
[01:39] <cypher-> ben_, cp
[01:39] <ben_> is there a way to copy files from the clipboard?
[01:40] <Drago> no see theres a difference between his and mine... xsane finds it. xsane doesn't even remotely says it finds a scanner.
[01:41] <ogra> Drago: please try the bootoptions mentioned there
[01:41] <cypher-> valeria, the only thing i can think of is commenting out 'DRI' in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:41] <cypher-> and then restarting x
[01:42] <cypher-> ben_, ctrl+c and ctrl+v will work if you have the permissions to move to the folder
[01:43] <valeria> ok i try
[01:43] <Mojo_Jojo> Hi, how do I change the user/group permissions of a folder and its subdirectories?
[01:44] <rouslan> Mojo_Jojo: read 'man chmod' and 'man chown'
[01:44] <Mojo_Jojo> ok
[01:44] <rouslan> i think recursive option is -R
[01:44] <ogra> valeria: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:45] <Mojo_Jojo> I tired this sudo chown -R $USERS <folder> but it didnt work
[01:45] <valeria> got same error even disabling it
[01:45] <valeria> ogra i used that howto
[01:45] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: folder/*
[01:45] <valeria> maybe i did some wrong
[01:45] <valeria> recheck the url
[01:46] <ogra> valeria: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[01:46] <ben_> grrr, didn't work
[01:47] <Mojo_Jojo> ohthis is correct right? sudo chown -R $USERS enemy-territory/*
[01:48] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: if you wnatthe users takeover the enemy territory, yes
[01:48] <ben_> oh well
[01:48] <Mojo_Jojo> ok, if thats right why this error chown: `enemy-territory/CHANGES': invalid user
[01:48] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: sudo ?
[01:49] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: oh.... no
[01:49] <ogra> Mojo_Jojo: not $USERS..... $USER
[01:49] <desp> sudo chown -R $USER enemy-territory/
[01:49] <desp> no star
[01:49] <Mojo_Jojo> yeah I uses sudo...???what??
[01:49] <Mojo_Jojo> ahh ok
[01:49] <Mojo_Jojo> ah there we go it worked :D thanks :D
[01:51] <Drago> ogra: none of those options would let me boot
[01:51] <Drago> I tried all 3
[01:51] <Drago> noapic, pci=noacpi & acpi=off
[01:51] <jazzka> I need to configure ubuntu so I can connect remotelly with vnc
[01:51] <valeria> ogra the file seemed altered
[01:52] <jazzka> any help?
[01:52] <valeria> and i made the md5sum...
[01:52] <desp> any ideas when Firefox 1.0 is gonna show up for warty>
[01:52] <desp> ?
[01:52] <valeria> the Xf86config-4 had nvidia before
[01:52] <valeria> as driver i mean
[01:52] <jdub> desp: warty is released and frozen.
[01:52] <ogra> Drago: a boot with each of them ?
[01:53] <Mojo_Jojo> has anyone have problems with games?? like enemy-territory
[01:53] <Drago> yes
[01:53] <Temet> Hello every body
[01:53] <kensai> is there a good wysiwyg creator in linux like frontpage?
[01:53] <Drago> i got a error and it would fall back to grub
[01:53] <Drago> and then I would try another
[01:53] <Mojo_Jojo> kensai, nvu is ok
[01:53] <Drago> and it would do the same thing
[01:54] <Temet> which soft do you use to burn cds under gnome ?
[01:54] <Amaranth> kensai: nvu or mozilla composer
[01:54] <kensai> Mojo_Jojo: thanks
[01:54] <Mojo_Jojo> np
[01:54] <ogra> Drago: how did you add the options?
[01:54] <kensai> Amaranth: is mozilla composer in apt?
[01:54] <Amaranth> Temet: Sadly the best program I've found is for KDE, k3b.
[01:54] <Drago> grub at boot.
[01:54] <Amaranth> kensai: It's a part of the mozilla suite.
[01:54] <Desolate> hiya, need some help connecting my linux pc to a windows wireless network
[01:54] <Drago> like it said.
[01:55] <Temet> Amaranth , and it runs well with gnome ?
[01:55] <Drago> I edited the grub option
[01:55] <rouslan> Temet: cdrecord is console based but works
[01:55] <ogra> Drago: in edit mode at the end of the kernel line
[01:55] <Amaranth> Temet: It looks totally out of place, but it runs fine.
[01:55] <Temet> rouslan ... yeah, console ...
[01:55] <Temet> thanks Amaranth
[01:55] <Drago> yeah let me try again
[01:55] <kapputu> Desolate: have you setup your wireless connection ?
[01:56] <Drago> maybe I typed wrong
[01:56] <Desolate> the network is running, yes
[01:56] <ogra> Temet: you can use your filemanager (nautilus)
[01:56] <Mojo_Jojo> how come when I open enemy-territory I just get a black screen and if I move the mouse I see my desktop?
[01:56] <Desolate> as I'm currently on it (on an XP laptop)
[01:56] <Drago> let me double check what I have written
[01:56] <ogra> Drago: with a space.....
[01:56] <kensai> Amaranth: nvu isn't in apt right?
[01:56] <Desolate> but I have no idea how to make the linux pc recognize that network
[01:56] <Temet> hum ogra ... i don't like ;)
[01:56] <Drago> noapic pci=noacpi and acpi=off
[01:56] <kapputu> Desolate: you need to set the workgroup of your machine to be the same name as the other windows machines
[01:56] <ogra> Temet: oh, why.....
[01:57] <Drago> are those all right?
[01:57] <Temet> ogra : because ! LOL
[01:57] <Desolate> kapputu: I assume I need to enable windows networking in Network Settings first though, right?
[01:57] <ogra> Drago: yep..... with a space at the end of the kernel line
[01:57] <kapputu> yeah
[01:57] <Drago> okay let me try that I don't think they had a space.
[01:57] <kapputu> wasn't sure which stage you were in
[01:58] <ogra> Drag: start with acpi=off
[01:58] <Desolate> well right now, ubuntu isn't even recognizing any wireless devices
[01:58] <Lowry> Is the shares folder working in hoary ppc?  My password is rejected
[01:58] <kapputu> ok
[01:58] <kapputu> what wireless card do you have ?
[01:59] <Desolate> it's not a card, it's an external wireless adapter
[01:59] <kapputu> oh
[01:59] <jdub> Lowry: run 'sudo shares-admin' at the command line
[01:59] <kapputu> hmm I don't have much experience with that
[01:59] <Desolate> a microsoft one at that :p
[01:59] <jdub> Lowry: that's new, hasn't had sudo integration
[01:59] <kapputu> you might want to ask someone else, I'm sorry
[01:59] <Desolate> alright, np
[02:00] <kapputu> also try to stay away from Microsoft products in the future
[02:00] <Desolate> yeah, why do you think I'm installing linux? :p
[02:00] <Desolate> I've learned my lesson :)
[02:00] <kapputu> good
[02:00] <kapputu> everyone does !!
[02:00] <kapputu> I learnt mine three weeks back
[02:01] <Lowry> thx
[02:01] <kapputu> haven't gone back to windows ever since I installed ubuntu
[02:01] <kapputu> hmm actually I did once and got infected with a blaster worm
[02:01] <kapputu> so good reason not to go back at all
[02:01] <jazzka> what about vnc + ubuntu? there's nothing on the web
[02:02] <jdub> jazzka: what are you looking for?
[02:03] <ogra> jazzka: integrated already ;)
[02:03] <jazzka> jdub, I would like to connect to my ubuntu pc, from other linuxes and windows
[02:03] <jazzka> ogra, but how can I start the server?
[02:03] <jdub> jazzka: computer > desktop preferences > remote desktop
[02:05] <valeria> ogra now it works thank you
[02:05] <jdub> ogra: yes.
[02:05] <ogra> valeria: thanlk jdub
[02:06] <ogra> jdub: ouch
[02:06] <ogra> jdub: should be blocked....
[02:06] <wasabi> Upgrading from evolution in Warty to Evolution in Hoary invalidates any panel launchers for it. (/usr/bin/evolution-2.0 -> /usr/bin/evolution).
[02:07] <mat|work> is there a graphical tool to manage runlevel services in ubuntu warty? I thought I could do it with gnome-system-tools but there is no services-admin
[02:07] <jdub> wasabi: only one is broken
[02:07] <jdub> mat|work: no, it's not supported or included
[02:07] <wasabi> to be or not to be?
[02:08] <Drago> ogra, no luck
[02:08] <mat|laptop> jdub: and is this planned ? :)
[02:08] <ogra> Drago: but you could boot now ?
[02:08] <Drago> yeah
[02:08] <ogra> Drago: did you try all three....
[02:08] <Drago> yes
[02:08] <jdub> mat|laptop: ideally, we won't have the standard g-s-t services editor
[02:09] <Drago> I'm currently booted under pci=noacpi
[02:10] <ogra> Drago: so i'm really at the end now......if neither of them help, please file a bug, i dont know what else your friend did to your system....so i have no idea how to help
[02:10] <Drago> he said he only installed sane-backend
[02:11] <Drago> but it didn't work straight from a fresh install cause that was one of the things I tried to do first
[02:11] <ogra> Darg: it should work out of the box, if it doesnt it is a bug and must get fixed....but now you tweaked your system.....
[02:12] <ogra> Drago: i dont know if he changed _any_ config ....created devices and so on ...... we could run this task for ages and wouldnt come to an end
[02:12] <Drago> I'm talking to him as we speak
[02:13] <mat|laptop> jdub: related question: is rcconf supported / will it work at all ?
[02:13] <ogra> Drago: make sure your system is in a state as it was after install, then file a bug please
[02:14] <jdub> mat|laptop: rcconf is in universe now, no one's proposed it for supported
[02:15] <bob2> rcconf has some serious issues
[02:15] <bob2> sysv-rc-conf is the replacement in debian, iirc
[02:16] <mat|laptop> ah
[02:16] <mat|laptop> I haven' usedmk
[02:16] <mat|laptop> err
[02:16] <mat|laptop> I haven't used debian for years :)
[02:19] <Desolate> does anyone happen to have any experience with connecting a linux pc to a wireless windows network?
[02:20] <hypa7ia> Desolate: i'm on that setup right now
[02:20] <Desolate> alright, cool
[02:20] <Desolate> well, I have a bit of a dillema
[02:20] <hypa7ia> err, scratch that, minus the windows
[02:20] <Desolate> ah :p
[02:20] <hypa7ia> but might still be able to help
[02:20] <hypa7ia> what's the dilemma?
[02:21] <Desolate> ok
[02:21] <Desolate> well, I have a linksys router running the network
[02:21] <Desolate> and a (yes, I know, it's sad) microsoft wireless adapter (USB port)
[02:21] <Desolate> now the problem is, that wireless adapter requires a certain software to be installed
[02:22] <Desolate> but being microsoft, there's no way that software can be installed on a linux plataform
[02:22] <Desolate> ergo, I'm mostly screwed :P
[02:22] <hypa7ia> Desolate: have you had a look at ndiswrapper?
[02:23] <seek187> Ahhh how to get fix nautilus from going slow in hoary?
[02:23] <Desolate> not as far as I know
[02:23] <Desolate> what is it?
[02:23] <jdub> seek187: when you upgraded, did you install gamin?
[02:23] <seek187> dont know let me see
[02:24] <seek187> no just libgamin0
[02:24] <hypa7ia> Desolate: it's a wrapper for windows drivers
[02:24] <punkass> install it..should fix the slow problem
[02:24] <seek187> ok
[02:25] <Desolate> and what exactly does that do?
[02:25] <seek187> brb
[02:26] <punkass> you use it to load the windows inf file for your wireless card...
[02:26] <Desolate> ah
[02:26] <Desolate> it's not a wireless card per se
[02:26] <Desolate> but I guess it'll do
[02:27] <punkass> nope thats why hypa7ia called it a wrapper
[02:27] <punkass> it can run quite a few different wireless cards
[02:27] <seek187> ahhh that's much better thanks!
[02:27] <punkass> you just need the correct inf file
[02:27] <Desolate> and how do I know which one is the correct?
[02:27] <punkass> read.. :)
[02:28] <punkass> i believe the ndiswrapper site has a list of cards it works with
[02:28] <hypa7ia> Desolate: is it a usb adapter, or an ethernet adapter?
[02:28] <Desolate> usb adapter
[02:29] <amathis> is quake in apt-get?
[02:29] <amathis> and does it work?
[02:29] <punkass> quake2 is and not sure if it works
[02:30] <hypa7ia> Desolate: gimme the model and i'll have a poke around for you :-)
[02:30] <ogra> night
[02:30] <punkass> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/List
[02:30] <punkass> that is the list of cards it works with
[02:31] <Desolate> hypa7ia: http://www.microsoft.com/products/info/product.aspx?view=22&pcid=6743a1c0-7f1c-4e73-ac65-25250ea0b14f&type=ovr
[02:31] <Desolate> punkass: as I said, it's not a card...
[02:31] <punkass> well they make refernce to chipsets aswell
[02:32] <grape> Drago: any luck with usb?
[02:35] <Drago> grape: nope.
[02:37] <punkass> Desolate: well from what i can see so far you need the linux-wlan-ng package
[02:37] <Desolate> hmm
[02:37] <hypa7ia> Desolate: give that a try, if it doesn't work maybe look at the linuxant driverloader
[02:37] <hypa7ia> http://www.linuxant.com/driverloader/
[02:38] <Desolate> got an url handy for linux-wlan-ng?
[02:38] <punkass> its in apt-get
[02:38] <punkass> just use synaptic to install
[02:39] <punkass> looks like the mn-510 uses the prism2 chipset set and i believe that its pretty well supported
[02:40] <Desolate> hmm, can't find linux-wlan-ng in synaptic package manager
[02:40] <punkass> ah you may need universe
[02:40] <punkass> yeah its in universe
[02:40] <punkass> have to add that to your repository list
[02:41] <Desolate> that's gonna be hard without an internet connection :P
[02:41] <punkass> just add universe after main restriced
[02:41] <Desolate> oh
[02:41] <grape> oooh there is "badness" in this box!! eek!!
[02:41] <punkass> well you are going to have to get it to your comp somehow
[02:42] <punkass> can you not use a lan cable for now?
[02:42] <Desolate> believe it or not, the pc doesn't have an ethernet port :P
[02:42] <punkass> doh
[02:42] <gen> blasphemy
[02:42] <hypa7ia> that's crazy :-p
[02:42] <grape> that's badness
[02:42] <Desolate> lol, yeah
[02:42] <grape> hehe
[02:43] <Desolate> it's not even that old either
[02:43] <hypa7ia> yeah, i tried installing ubu without a net connection.  it didn't work out.
[02:43] <Desolate> has 4 years or so
[02:43] <gen> my p133 has a eth card
[02:43] <hypa7ia> Desolate: is buying a 10$ eth card an option? :-)
[02:43] <Desolate> myeah, I guess
[02:43] <punkass> well dont know what to tell ya..except for hya7ia suggestion
[02:43] <Desolate> but even then, I'm nowhere near close to the router
[02:44] <punkass> well you could get the deb off the web via this comp
[02:44] <punkass> stick it on a disk
[02:44] <Desolate> ah
[02:44] <punkass> then copy it over
[02:44] <Desolate> could I connect the ubuntu pc to this laptop via an ethernet cable?
[02:44] <Desolate> or would that not work?
[02:45] <punkass> you need a straight through lan cable i believe
[02:45] <Desolate> hmm
[02:45] <punkass> instead of a crossover cable, which is normal (i think :)
[02:45] <Desolate> alright, well I'll try getting universe into this pc
[02:45] <Desolate> and transfering it
[02:45] <punkass> one sec
[02:45] <Desolate> is that possible?
[02:45] <punkass> oh are u running ubuntu on this laptop?
[02:45] <Desolate> no
[02:46] <punkass> ok one sec..ill fire you a link
[02:46] <Desolate> thanks
[02:46] <seek187> can the radeon drivers do opengl?
[02:47] <punkass> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux-wlan-ng/linux-wlan-ng_0.2.0-15_i386.deb
[02:47] <cuga> seek187: thats about all it can do ;)
[02:47] <calc> seek187: nope only directx
[02:47] <cuga> lol
[02:48] <seek187> lol
[02:48] <Desolate> great, thanks punkass
[02:48] <seek187> so could it play quake3?
[02:48] <punkass> np
[02:48] <gen> q3 is 20 yrs old
[02:48] <zenwhen> um
[02:48] <mjg59> seek187: Depends on the Radeon
[02:49] <mjg59> seek187: Newer Radeons need you to use the fgrlx drivers from ATI
[02:49] <zenwhen> What card are we talking about?
[02:49] <mjg59> They're included with Ubuntu, but less well tested than the free drivers
[02:49] <seek187> mjg59, ok thx
[02:49] <seek187> 9200
[02:49] <zenwhen> oh
[02:49] <calc> any card up to 9200 will work with the free drivers
[02:49] <mjg59> 9200 will work fine with the free drivers
[02:49] <zenwhen> fglrx then
[02:49] <punkass> Desolate: you need to have wireless tools installed too...might want to check that out
[02:49] <seek187> ok
[02:49] <calc> 9500+ need fglrx
[02:49] <seek187> so 9200 will work?
[02:49] <Desolate> got a link? :)
[02:49] <zenwhen> i thought it was 8500+
[02:49] <mjg59> Just install ubuntu and you ought to get openGL immediately
[02:49] <mjg59> zenwhen: No
[02:49] <zenwhen> Oh
[02:49] <punkass> that one should be on the install cd
[02:49] <zenwhen> Why would you use the free drivers
[02:49] <gen> 8500 brings bad memories to mind
[02:50] <punkass> or maybe already installed
[02:50] <seek187> yeah glxgears work fine
[02:50] <zenwhen> If oyu wanted to play a game
[02:50] <mjg59> zenwhen: Because we have the source code to debug them
[02:50] <zenwhen> you*
[02:50] <calc> the 8500 i had hardware issues
[02:50] <zenwhen> Well
[02:50] <calc> i returned it and got a 7500
[02:50] <seek187> im just wanted to play ET
[02:50] <gen> calc: is my point
[02:50] <zenwhen> I know why the distro would use them
[02:50] <Desolate> ok
[02:50] <zenwhen> I wonder why a user would use them.
[02:50] <gen> 8500 had many many many issues upon arrival
[02:50] <mjg59> zenwhen: For laptops, this is going to be much more of an issue when we start supporting suspend/resume
[02:50] <mjg59> The fgrlx drivers are probably not going to work
[02:50] <zenwhen> Oh
[02:50] <calc> gen: on mine the video had EMI issues, lots of pixel shake at high res, etc
[02:50] <mjg59> The ATI ones will, because we can fix them to
[02:50] <Desolate> now, punkass, I've got linux-wlan-ng_0.2.0-15_i386.deb on the linux pc
[02:50] <zenwhen> Oh
[02:50] <Desolate> what's next?
[02:51] <Desolate> it's just sitting on the desktop atm :P
[02:51] <zenwhen> I hope oyu dont make it too hard to use the fglrx drivers
[02:51] <punkass> have to run it from command line
[02:51] <zenwhen> because oyu will put off a lot of users
[02:51] <punkass> so open a terminal
[02:51] <zenwhen> you*
[02:51] <Desolate> uhuh
[02:51] <calc> i have a 9600 now but don't use 3d
[02:51] <Desolate> and then? :P
[02:51] <zenwhen> Thats nice, but plenty of people do.
[02:51] <punkass> then: sudo dpkg -i Desktop/yourfile.deb
[02:52] <mjg59> zenwhen: No, we won't make it hard
[02:52] <zenwhen> Oh alright
[02:52] <mjg59> It just probably won't be the default, because it's harder for us to support
[02:52] <zenwhen> Thats what I was wondering.
[02:52] <punkass> yourfile.deb of course = the wlan file
[02:52] <nimc> calc, u used radeon 7500 with ubuntu ?? i cannot get fglrx to work with it.....
[02:52] <zenwhen> I dont even have an ATi card anymore.
[02:52] <zenwhen> But I set up a lot of folks on ubuntu with Radeons
[02:52] <gen> im using a old geforce 2 gts right now heh
[02:52] <zenwhen> Its really a great OS for computer newbs
[02:53] <ben> wo
[02:53] <mjg59> nimc: Do they support the 7500?
[02:53] <zenwhen> free yes
[02:53] <zenwhen> non-free no
[02:53] <ben> go into firefox, type about:config and turn off the ipv6 dns stuff
[02:53] <ben> holy moley it makes things faster
[02:53] <zenwhen> oh
[02:53] <zenwhen> yeah
[02:53] <zenwhen> whrere did you see thta tip
[02:53] <encryptio> that's why my browsing was so slow...
[02:53] <ben> on the boards
[02:53] <zenwhen> where*
[02:53] <nimc> mjg59, officially on ati it doesnt seem so, but ubuntu wiki imply that they do
[02:53] <zenwhen> Yeah
[02:53] <mjg59> nimc: The fglrx drivers don't work with the 7500, as far as I know
[02:53] <zenwhen> did you get the tip from a screenshot?
[02:54] <mjg59> nimc: The performance of the free drivers is about as good as you'll get on a Radeon that old
[02:54] <ben> zenwhen, no...it's a topic on the boards, the post-installation how-to, i believe
[02:54] <zenwhen> Oh
[02:54] <zenwhen> lol
[02:54] <calc> nimc: no i got rid of my 7500 a few years ago
[02:54] <nimc> mjg59, on windows the radeon 7500 with good drivers does pretty well...
[02:54] <calc> nimc: i have a 9600 in my desktop and laptop now
[02:54] <nimc> calc ok
[02:55] <encryptio> whoa, thx ben o_O
[02:55] <mjg59> nimc: The free drivers will be pretty good as well
[02:55] <ben> welcome ;)
[02:55] <punkass> ben is it just the one setting?
[02:55] <ben> punkass, yeah
[02:55] <punkass> cool thanks
[02:55] <nimc> i'd love to try ati binary drivers.... but it gets stuck on 'sudo modprobe fglrx' with device not found
[02:55] <encryptio> just filter for "ipv
[02:55] <encryptio> "
[02:55] <ben> it's network.dns.disableIPv6 and set it to 'true
[02:55] <ben> '
[02:56] <nimc> mjg59, i'm using the free driver... i get like 200 fps in glxgears
[02:56] <punkass> yeah got it
[02:57] <mjg59> nimc: Hrm. That's less than I'd expect. If you run glxinfo, does it say that it's using direct rendering?
[02:57] <nimc> hmm it doesnt say anything, just give fps lines in the terminal
[02:58] <tolstoya> anyone else have troubles with the smp kernel for hoary?
[02:59] <nimc> it's on ibm a31p laptop, which is 2ghz pentium4 and radeon7800 (which has same cheap as 7500, perhaps clocked higher)
[02:59] <nimc> mjg59, how to get it to use direct rendering ?
[02:59] <mjg59> nimc: glxinfo, not glxgears
[02:59] <nimc> ahh ooooops
[03:00] <nimc> direct rendering: No
[03:00] <mjg59> Ah :)
[03:00] <mjg59> That would be why it's slow, then
[03:00] <mjg59> I'm afraid I'm just going to bed, so I can't track that down now
[03:00] <mjg59> 2AM here...
[03:00] <nimc> oh :(
[03:01] <nimc> ok.... thanks
[03:01] <Lowry> later
[03:03] <WX> anyone here using a WMP54G PCI card for wireless?
[03:14] <tom_> hello
[03:15] <tom_> is anyone actually here???
[03:15] <seek187> ?
[03:15] <occy> anyone here use KDE on Ubuntu?
[03:16] <HrdwrBoB> occy: you can do it
[03:16] <tom_> not me atm but i would love to get some kde games on it if nothing else
[03:16] <HrdwrBoB> but it's not recommended
[03:16] <jdub> it's not discouraged...
[03:16] <occy> HrdwrBoB, heh
[03:16] <occy> You can walk into that boobie trap, but I wouldn't recommend it.
[03:17] <occy> heyaz Safari_Al
[03:17] <occy> I've been meaning to run for the Gnome Board for years.
[03:17] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[03:18] <occy> part of knowing how to make gnome better is always keeping an eye on what other desktops are doing :)
[03:18] <occy> :P
[03:19] <occy> I'm guessing there aren't any meta packages for kde 3.3 then.
[03:20] <Safari_Al> occy, hi mate!
[03:20] <occy> Safari_Al, ltns :)
[03:20] <Safari_Al> occy, didn't expect to see you here.  How's it been going?
[03:21] <occy> going great bubba
[03:21] <Safari_Al> Fantastic.
[03:21] <occy> Safari_Al, don't know if you know... but I'm training for a Marathon
[03:21] <occy> less than 90 days away
[03:21] <occy> did my first 17 mile run last Sunday :)
[03:22] <occy> http://occy.net/schedule2.html
[03:22] <Safari_Al> occy, nice work.  Marathon is 40 miles, right?
[03:22] <occy> 26.2 miles
[03:22] <Safari_Al> Ah.  Probably 40km then.
[03:22] <occy> 10k = 6.2 miles
[03:22] <occy> too much math for me. :)
[03:22] <Safari_Al> occy, I used to be into middle/long-distance running,  not much beyond about 10km though.
[03:23] <occy> Safari_Al, ahh, right on.  10k's are super fun.
[03:23] <occy> great distance.
[03:23] <Safari_Al> occy, what sort average time per km are you doing atm?
[03:23] <occy> hmmm
[03:23] <Safari_Al> oh crap
[03:23] <Safari_Al> that will probably require maths :P
[03:23] <occy> yeah...
[03:23] <occy> hehe
[03:23] <occy> I can pull off an 8min/mile
[03:24] <occy> but need to keep it to around 10min/mile
[03:24] <occy> hehe
[03:24] <Safari_Al> 8min mile.
[03:24] <Safari_Al> ok
[03:24] <occy> silly metric people.
[03:25] <occy> I've done my mile in 6mins before
[03:25] <occy> heh
[03:25] <occy> but I can't hold that pace for very long.
[03:25] <Safari_Al> I went for my first run in about 4 years a couple of weeks ago
[03:25] <Safari_Al> averaged a tad over 4min/km over about 6km
[03:25] <occy> sweet
[03:25] <Safari_Al> got me pretty tired out :>
[03:26] <occy> I'm more about finishing the distances now than I am actually trying to race.
[03:26] <Safari_Al> yeah
[03:26] <occy> I'm also signed up for my first Ironman.
[03:26] <Safari_Al> Is that a swim & run?
[03:26] <occy> 2.4 mile swim,  112 mile bike ride, 26.2 mile run
[03:26] <occy> in under 17hrs
[03:26] <Safari_Al> ooh triathalon
[03:26] <Safari_Al> but
[03:26] <Safari_Al> what are these "miles" of which you speak?
[03:26] <occy> hehehe
[03:27] <Safari_Al> How are you at swimming?
[03:27] <occy> http://fitgeek.org/
[03:27] <occy> Pretty good...
[03:27] <occy> I'm up to a 2 mile swim so far
[03:27] <occy> not one word on the kings measurement
[03:27] <occy> ;)
[03:28] <occy> err s/on/about/
[03:28] <occy> let's just put it this way....  it's a buttload of work.
[03:28] <Safari_Al> yeah no doubt about that.
[03:28] <desp> any ideas why gvim refuses to remember the font/color scheme settings?
[03:28] <occy> you are essentially(mortals) going straight at it for anywhere from 14hrs to 17hrs
[03:29] <occy> 14hrs is an insane time.
[03:29] <Safari_Al> Certainly.
[03:29] <occy> I'd be happy to make it in around 16hrs (well, as long as it's under 16hrs 59 mins and 59 seconds.
[03:29] <occy> the cut off is 17hrs
[03:29] <Safari_Al> ah
[03:29] <occy> anyhoo... other than that, not doing too much
[03:30] <occy> desp, sorry, no clue there.
[03:30] <Safari_Al> occy, where are you working atm?
[03:30] <occy> ugh
[03:30] <occy> oh
[03:30] <occy> Well, I've been sorta out of work still.
[03:30] <occy> heh
[03:30] <Safari_Al> Too bad.
[03:30] <occy> over 2 1/2 years now.
[03:31] <occy> I'm doing some contract stuff that is helping keep our head above water.  (that and living on savings)
[03:31] <occy> but... need to find full-time employement soon.
[03:31] <amathis> occy~ how is ti ?
[03:31] <marcdm> Hail to all
[03:31] <occy> All I seem to be talented for these days though is building websites.
[03:31] <Safari_Al> occy, come to .au.  we're looking for new linux system engineers :P
[03:31] <marcdm> I need some major help installing ubuntu
[03:31] <occy> Safari_Al, heh
[03:32] <occy> amathis, what's that bub?
[03:32] <amathis> occy~ how is the band?
[03:32] <occy> ahhhh
[03:32] <marcdm> I'm get a failure when it tries to install initrd
[03:32] <occy> I thought you were saying that.... but didn't know if it was:   s/ti/it/
[03:32] <occy> heh
[03:32] <occy> http://theinterference.com/ </pimp>
[03:32] <amathis> :P
[03:32] <occy> still going.
[03:32] <occy> lost our old drummer, picked up a new one.
[03:32] <marcdm> already tried with....
[03:33] <Safari_Al> occy, so you are using ubuntu a bit now?
[03:33] <marcdm> could the fact that lilo was installed in the MBR have anything to do with it?
[03:33] <occy> Safari_Al, for desktop... it wouldn't install on my laptop.  Need to retry the final release version.
[03:34] <occy> amathis, thanks for asking.
[03:34] <occy> amathis, and caring :)
[03:34] <amathis> occy~ amathis == pyrobunny, BTW
[03:34] <robertj> is Evolution broke for other hoary users?
[03:34] <occy> amathis, ahhhh, man of 1000 nicks
[03:34] <amathis> occy~ heh.
[03:34] <bob2> robertj: they'd have reported it to the bts if it was :)
[03:35] <occy> Ubuntu is nice, Jdub+crew has done some great work.
[03:35] <occy> if they had a clue though, they'd hire me on full-time to make it the most kick ass distro on the planet.
[03:35] <occy> I know I could.
[03:35] <occy> :)
[03:35] <occy> I could take out Tuomas, Garrett, and Jakub in one swoop
[03:35] <occy> *chuckle*
[03:35] <bob2> there are bounties on offer
[03:35] <bob2> have a shot and prove your awesomeness
[03:36] <occy> bob2, heh, shush ;)
[03:36] <occy> bob2, and howdy ;)
[03:36] <Safari_Al> occy, I have to get back to the study now.  but it was good to catch up.  all the best for the 'thon :)
[03:36] <occy> Safari_Al, okies bud.  You take care.  ttfn.
[03:38] <marcdm> Help.. :(
[03:38] <occy> amathis, good "seeing" you again bud.  I still love those Songs you gave me.  Great stuff.  I listen to em' at least once a week or so.
[03:38] <occy> marcdm, let me read.
[03:38] <amathis> occy~ I didn't give you any songs... *wink wink*
[03:38] <occy> amathis, nod nod
[03:38] <occy> marcdm, :/  Seems a bit over my head.  :(
[03:38] <bob2> marcdm: you're doing a default install?
[03:38] <seek187> Anyone ever tried installing enemy-territory?
[03:39] <marcdm> I"m trying to install Warthog on a machine that previously had slackware 10 with lilo installed in the MBR
[03:39] <occy> night night gang.
[03:39] <marcdm> I'm doing nothing fancy with the WW install
[03:39] <marcdm> actually, I'm duplicating the install that I did 3 days ago in VMWare
[03:39] <bob2> marcdm: defaults for everythig?
[03:39] <marcdm> using the same ISO that I downloaded. this is before I burnt it to CD
[03:40] <marcdm> everything except country.
[03:40] <marcdm> I select Jamaica for country.
[03:40] <marcdm> everything else is default
[03:41] <marcdm> pretty basic machine. AMD K62 500, SIS900 NIC, CMedia Sound, Sis or trident video. (don't remember)
[03:41] <overflow> Hey, Is not ubuntu looking for developers ? I would love to be paid for build a distro :)
[03:41] <marcdm> I want to work with Ubuntu.... except Fedora (buggy) it's the only other GNome Distro I've liked
[03:43] <marcdm> on my machine I use Suse with Gnome 2.8. I prefer ubuntu. But I need this machine up and running tonite...
[03:43] <gen> tonite
[03:44] <marcdm> I'm just thinking now that maybe it's Lilo in the MBR making trouble. So I'm going to run over and execute fdisk /mbr and see what happens
[03:44] <bob2> ubuntu will nuke the mbr
[03:44] <bob2> and install gnome
[03:45] <Rotund> ubuntu need gstreamer-ffmpeg
[03:45] <robertj> hrmm, I really like Disk Manager, it would be great if it had a "Copy" button for each disk too
[03:45] <Rotund> I can't find any .deb packages for it
[03:45] <gen> what exactly does gstreamer do
[03:46] <marcdm> when you say it will Nuke it, when exactly does this happen?
[03:46] <Rotund> it's like directshow on Windows
[03:46] <gen> marcdm: after install, before first reboot
[03:46] <marcdm> the last 4 times I tried the install with different variations of CDs, CD-Rom drives, and RAM it failed when installing initrd
[03:46] <robertj> gen: it's a multimedia framework which converts between different formats and allows you to redirect audio into filters, over the net, or whatever, and eventually out into speakers/screen
[03:46] <robertj> mac: check your disk
[03:52] <seek187> would anyone know why I get a blank screen when trying to run enemy-territory?
[04:05] <Ruffian|Q|> Hmmm, im thinking of running Ubuntu on my PPC,  but i dont want to overwrite OS9.2
[04:07] <Ruffian|Q|> does anyone talk in this channel anymore?
[04:07] <amathis> Ruffian|Q|~ yes you do.
[04:07] <amathis> you do want to overwrite OS9.2
[04:07] <amathis> :)
[04:07] <grape> hehe
[04:07] <Ruffian|Q|> no, I dont
[04:07] <grape> :-P
[04:07] <Ruffian|Q|> as much as I hate it, I dont
[04:07] <Ruffian|Q|> im thinking about it actually
[04:07] <amathis> don't think first.
[04:08] <Ruffian|Q|> I dont know how to even boot from CD
[04:08] <amathis> do first, think later.
[04:08] <Ruffian|Q|> in Mac
[04:08] <grape> thinking bad
[04:08] <grape> beer first
[04:08] <grape> then wipe disk
[04:08] <amathis> call your padre.
[04:08] <amathis> pray for it.
[04:09] <Ruffian|Q|> hmmm, I think I might
[04:09] <Ruffian|Q|> Will Ubuntu detect my ZIP drive?
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> usb?
[04:10] <Ruffian|Q|> nope
[04:10] <Ruffian|Q|> Its internal
[04:10] <Ruffian|Q|> its on my PPC
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> ide
[04:10] <Ruffian|Q|> i think
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> yea, it should
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> would mount
[04:10] <Ruffian|Q|> good
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> under '/mnt/sda1
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> or similar
[04:10] <Ruffian|Q|> just mount it like a floppy?
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> it should do that
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> yea
[04:11] <grape> anyone know where a config file for ez-ipupdate is?
[04:11] <Ruffian|Q|> and what about my monitor?  Mac OS 9.2 would only let it go to 640x480......... Is taht the only Resolution I can have on it with Ubuntu PPC?
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> Ruffian|Q|: er.. what resolution is it running it
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> in
[04:12] <Ruffian|Q|> 640x480
[04:12] <Ruffian|Q|> I cant change it
[04:12] <Ruffian|Q|> OS 9.2 wont let me
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> in ubuntu
[04:12] <HrdwrBoB> install it and you will know
[04:12] <Ruffian|Q|> aaaaah
[04:13] <seek187> what package would artsdsp be in?
[04:13] <Ruffian|Q|> lol, What about my single button mouse?  Like, how will I do stuff
[04:13] <marcdm> ubuntu Runs on a Mac?
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> F11 and F12
[04:13] <tom_> ruffian its always a good idea to begin with a live cd version if one is available
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> middle and second button
[04:13] <HrdwrBoB> marcdm: yes
[04:13] <marcdm> I absolutely love the look and feel of the Powerbook
[04:13] <bob2> marcdm: of course
[04:13] <seek187> nevermind figured it out :)
[04:13] <marcdm> but I don't use many apps that Run on a Mac
[04:14] <marcdm> I really should read some more.
[04:14] <Ruffian|Q|> tom_, no PPC Live version
[04:14] <wasabi> Does Ubuntu have gst-python anywhere?
[04:14] <billytwowilly> upgrading to xorg messed up my touch pad. The right hand side no longer acts as a scroll bar
[04:14] <marcdm> anywho... update on my current problem.. (HwBob, maybe you can help)
[04:14] <bob2> wasabi: I think it requires a newer version of gst than is currently in sid
[04:14] <marcdm> I'm trying to replace a slackware 10 system with a warthog
[04:15] <bob2> billytwowilly: did you install the synaptics module for x.org?
[04:15] <wasabi> bob2, darn.
[04:15] <tom_> ruff if there is no lice cd ubuntu for ppc then see if another distro has one and check out your system that way ... its a cheap way of finding out stuff painlessly
[04:15] <billytwowilly> bob2, probably not. Thanks
[04:15] <crimsun> wasabi: you can always pull deb-src from sid and recompile
[04:15] <marcdm> I think I forgot Lilo in the MBR that caused ubuntu install to fail when installing initrd
[04:15] <wasabi> Yeah.
[04:15] <bob2> wasabi: (it should be on the top of jdub's things to do list)
[04:15] <bob2> marcdm: no, ubuntu installs grub to the mbr
[04:15] <jdub> bob2: your mum?
[04:16] <marcdm> now I'm not entirely sure because I just restarted the install after booting with floppy and executing fdisk /mbr
[04:16] <jdub> wasabi: it's in hoary
[04:16] <bob2> oh
[04:16] <marcdm> bob2: it doesn't get to the point of installing grub
[04:16] <wasabi> horreigh!
[04:16] <nomasteryoda> any idea why Ubuntu warty would see my atheros, let me configure it with the gui yet Die at the end?
[04:16] <marcdm> it stops when installing initrd
[04:18] <marcdm> additionally (bob2 you listen), when I was rebooting to run fdisk, I noticed that the bios was reporting the 10GB Hard drive as 541MB
[04:18] <marcdm> so I changed the User setting in the Bios to AUTO and AUTO for mode (the last column in AWARD bios)
[04:19] <marcdm> let's see if it fails this time...
[04:19] <marcdm> going to check on the progress. back in 5
[04:19] <wasabi> configure: error: You need to recompile gst-python with gst.interfaces support Argh.
[04:21] <grape> anyone know how to start sshd on ubuntu?
[04:22] <bob2> install openssh-server
[04:22] <grape> DOH
[04:22] <grape> thanks
[04:23] <marcdm> went into the office next door to see a beautiful RED screen saying failure with unbuntu-base install
[04:24] <carger314> whenever i try to play a dvd with mplayer (in the terminal) it keeps giving me this: libdvdread: Can't stat /dev/dvd
[04:24] <carger314> what in the world does that mean?
[04:24] <marcdm> it failed when installing initrd-tools
[04:25] <bob2> carger314: mplayer -dvd /dev/hdWHATEVER
[04:25] <bob2> probably, WHATEVER = "c"
[04:25] <bob2> marcdm: did you make sure the cd burnt ok?
[04:25] <marcdm> I went to terminal 3 and .. it doesn't say much. Just says everything else worked up to initrd-tools
[04:25] <GotD0t> carger314: it means mplayer is looking at a nonexistant drive
[04:25] <carger314> ah
[04:25] <grape> if I can ssh into this box, should I be able to get a remote desktop?
[04:25] <marcdm> well, I used k3b with data verification. And I've used the ubuntu "verify cd" option in the menu
[04:26] <GotD0t> anybody know how i can burn a DVD image?
[04:26] <grape> i never did that live gui stuff before ;-)
[04:26] <marcdm> nothing failed
[04:26] <desp> does gmail work in firefox?
[04:26] <GotD0t> yea
[04:26] <marcdm> is there any way to install accross the network?
[04:26] <alakdan> anybody here with ubuntu packages for enlightenment 0.16.7 ?
[04:26] <marcdm> bob2:is there any way to install accross the network?
[04:26] <bob2> marcdm: check the md5sum of the cd
[04:26] <bluewheel> desp : yep I use it
[04:27] <bob2> desp: yes
[04:27] <bluewheel> but they are now going to roll out POP3, maybe IMAP even
[04:27] <desp> strange. I can't see the login/pass fields on the entry page
[04:27] <tom_> marcdm you probably ought at this stage to do an md5sum on that cd rather than relying on gui
[04:27] <bob2> desp: wait for a bit
[04:27] <desp> bluewheel: yeah I am reading /.
[04:27] <marcdm> ok kool. How do I do that?
[04:27] <bob2> alakdan: has ljlane packaged it for sid yet?
[04:27] <marcdm> (sorry to sound dumb)
[04:27] <bob2> marcdm: "md5sum /dev/cdrom"
[04:27] <GotD0t> bluewheel: im certain that POP3 support wont be around for long... unless they can figure out how to deliver the ads through that
[04:27] <marcdm> forget it, I'll search
[04:27] <tom_> do you have the correct md5sum value?
[04:27] <desp> bob2: I've been waiting for a bit already, firefox seems stuck at the "Connecting to google.com..." phase
[04:27] <bob2> where is this gmail pop3 thing everyone is talking about?
[04:28] <HrdwrBoB> pop3 would only be offered if the messages had ads tacked on
[04:28] <HrdwrBoB> I daresay
[04:28] <desp> is there an easy way to upgrade to firefox 1.0 in warty?
[04:28] <bob2> desp: works for me now
[04:28] <HrdwrBoB> the money has to come from SOMEWHERE
[04:28] <desp> bob2: are you using 1.0?
[04:28] <bob2> desp: get the tarball from mozilla.org, install to ~/ or /usr/local/
[04:28] <bob2> desp: no
[04:29] <alakdan> bob2: you mean for debian? will it be ok to include unstable sources list to ubuntus apt-sources list?
[04:29] <desp> I see. okay
[04:29] <bob2> alakdan: no, it won't
[04:29] <bob2> alakdan: are there packages in sid or not?
[04:30] <alakdan> bob2: not sure. but someone from #e referred me to this link deb http://soulmachine.net/debian unstable/
[04:32] <Keybuk> hmm?  packages built for Debian unstable should largely work on Ubuntu
[04:32] <Xenguy> feedback for developers (as promised) for any Ubuntu developers who happen to be listening (based on 2 separate installs, last night and tonight)...
[04:32] <Keybuk> the problem is putting Debian *itself* in the sources.list -- because APT doesn't know which packages to pick when they're the same version
[04:32] <Keybuk> from other non-Debian/non-Ubuntu sources, it's ok
[04:32] <bluewheel> does anyone know if the stock ubuntu kernels work with cpu frequency scaling, it seems to be supported but i am not able to change the scaling_min_freq or even set it when i use usersapce, same for powersave
[04:32] <bluewheel> i am trying it by echoing in the values
[04:33] <bluewheel> and root does have write access to the files
[04:33] <Keybuk> bluewheel: it works ok here ... do you have the right module for your CPU loaded ?
[04:33] <seek187> How come in linux firefox the middle mouse will open tabs but when you try to close tabs with the middle mouse it goes back or something?
[04:33] <bluewheel> Keybuk, yea powermac
[04:33] <Xenguy> Networking: I have a feeling Ubu would perform like a champ with DHCP, but my setup at home is static IP.  For some reason I've been unable to get a working net connection established (tried pppoeconfig, and manual config file tweaking)...
[04:34] <arun--> what are the good big screen laptops, big i mean by resolution, i am tired of 1024x768
[04:34] <Keybuk> bluewheel: no idea about mac, speedstep-centrino works ok for me
[04:34] <Keybuk> (on a P-M, obviously :p)
[04:34] <bluewheel> Keybuk, ok thanks :-)
[04:34] <bluewheel> i'll keep looking
[04:34] <Xenguy> this in spite of the fact that I have a working debian/sid 2 box network up and running with firewall and NAT (tho I admit I am no networking expert by any means)...
[04:35] <tom_> Xenguy dfe works a charm with dhcp
[04:35] <arun--> bluewheel, i think the CPU should support frequency scaling
[04:35] <Xenguy> Networking (cont) So I think that the networking for static IP's is weak currently and could use some work...
[04:35] <arun--> my centrino works fine
[04:36] <tom_> Xenguy if you have not seen this its worth a look http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm
[04:37] <Xenguy> Grub: With install #1 I overwrote my MBR with grub's configuration (it 'saw' the existing Debian/sid install on the other hard drive) - the only problem was that when I tried to boot the existing debian install, grub failed with 'error 21' or some such -- I think grub installation procedure maybe needs to be smoothed out a bit...
[04:37] <Xenguy> brb...
[04:37] <arun--> does any one have any idea regarding freebsd if it still has the 1023 cylinder problem?
[04:38] <bob2> Xenguy: how many hard drives do you have?
[04:38] <bob2> arun--: #freebsd would know
[04:39] <bob2> Xenguy: if you're behind NAT at home, you need to set static settings in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:40] <Xenguy> back
[04:40] <marcdm> now back to my second original question...
[04:40] <marcdm> is there anyway to install ubuntu accross the network?
[04:40] <bob2> pxe, yes
[04:40] <bob2> did you check the md5sum of the cd?
[04:40] <marcdm> bob2: md5sum of the iso checked out but the cd gave a r/w error
[04:40] <Xenguy> That's my main feedback for now, except for the fact that Ubuntu is amazing work, and I say kudos to you all! :-)
[04:41] <marcdm> md5sum: /dev/cdrom: Input/output error
[04:41] <alakdan> to get the 0.16.7 version of enligthenment, I have added deb http://soulmachine.net/debian unstable/, problem is I now have two versions of enlightenment packages (the other one the ubuntu packages). How do i specifically install the 0.16.7 version using apt-get?
[04:41] <marcdm> pxe install?
[04:41] <crimsun> alakdan: apt-get -tunstable install enlightenment
[04:42] <alakdan> crimsun: thank you
[04:42] <marcdm> bob2: I don't think I need pxe. If it's a cdrom prob. I just want to be able to tell the installer to get the files from an nfs mount
[04:42] <alakdan> :)
[04:43] <bezak> hey guys, i'm having trouble getting my dsl working (an enuriating little problem) I think I know what is wrong im just not sure how to fix it, I connect fine, (i set it up with pppoeconf) and when I type plog (i think thats the command) heres what i get (amongst other stuff but this is the important bit)
[04:43] <bob2> marcdm: that's bad, try another cd
[04:43] <alakdan> crimsun: it does not work :(
[04:43] <bob2> alakdan: it will install the highest-versioned one automatically
[04:43] <bezak> not replacing default rout eth0 (192.168.0.1)
[04:43] <bob2> bezak: get rid of your default route
[04:43] <tom_> marcdm and if writing another cd make sure you use the pad option
[04:43] <crimsun> alakdan: looks like you need to pin.
[04:43] <bob2> bezak: ie don't have a "gateway" line in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:43] <bezak> bob2: how do i do that?
[04:43] <Xenguy> tom_: re URL above: nice :-)
[04:43] <x0563511> Can i ask a question? (has to do with nvidia)
[04:44] <alakdan> crimsun: pin?
[04:44] <bob2> x0563511: just ask
[04:44] <tom_> xenguy ... you good ol plain english :)
[04:44] <WW> marcdm: FYI: that r/w error sounds like the error I get when I try to burn ISO with Nautilus. See bug #2751 in bugzilla.
[04:44] <tom_> *yeah
[04:44] <bezak> bob2: so just remove any gateway in /etc/network/interfaces should do the trick?
[04:44] <x0563511> OK, apparently ubuntu comes with the nvidia kernel drivers... they were in synaptic. Ive installed them all (nvglx, nvidia-kernel, ect)
[04:44] <Xenguy> bob2: 2 HD's; yes, I was messing with /etc/network/interfaces, but didn't get something just right - not a problem in this case
[04:44] <bob2> bezak: yes
[04:44] <x0563511> but my XF86config is still the default
[04:45] <Xenguy> tom_: hmm?
[04:45] <x0563511> Do i need to do anything except change the nv module to nvidia?
[04:45] <bob2> Xenguy: "man interfaces", then edit it
[04:45] <bezak> bob2: thanks, ill give that a spin *reboots out of os x* :)
[04:45] <bob2> x0563511: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:45] <Xenguy> bob2: nod
[04:45] <x0563511> The readme for the nvidia drivers (on the nvidia site) say to remove some of the extensions...
[04:45] <bob2> Xenguy: your bios may not be able to boot the second one, if that's where ubuntu is
[04:45] <bob2> x0563511: ignore that readme
[04:45] <marcdm> WW: I don't know if Nautilus has anything to do with it. Used k3b on a Suse 9.1/Gnome 2.8 system
[04:45] <tom_> Xenguy ... i found that URL directly helpful without it leading to a fortnight of basic research
[04:45] <bob2> x0563511: read the url I gave you
[04:45] <x0563511> ok
[04:46] <marcdm> burn another CD, I doubt that's a good idea.
[04:46] <crimsun> alakdan: like bob2 said, it installs the highest version available. You need to pin if you want a different version. man 5 apt_preferences
[04:46] <bob2> alakdan: or apt-get install enlightenment=VERSION
[04:46] <bob2> "apt-cache policy enlightenment" will list available versions
[04:46] <marcdm> I'm somewhat of a believer in the "same action" = "same result" principle
[04:46] <bob2> marcdm: except your cd is fucked
[04:46] <bob2> marcdm: or the cd drive
[04:46] <WW> marcdm: Hmmm, maybe it's not related then.  Nevermind :)
[04:46] <marcdm> exactly.
[04:47] <Xenguy> bob2: I don't think that is a problem now - on install #2 I put grub on /dev/hdc1 (instead of the MBR) and then modifed LILO on HD#1 to include HD#2 as an 'other' OS.  So basically HD1/lilo now points to HD2/grub (if that is what you meant)
[04:47] <bob2> Xenguy: is hda2 hdb?
[04:47] <marcdm> bob2: yeah I kinda thought so too. But I think the burner is more fucked than the CD.
[04:47] <Xenguy> bob2: not that I am aware of, no
[04:47] <marcdm> bob2: that's why I don't want to waste anymore blank CDs
[04:48] <x0563511> bob2, ok, thanks. The readme would have had me remove DRI.
[04:48] <x0563511> bob2, the wiki said to leave it there, but remove GLCore
[04:48] <tom_> marcdm if you have not seen this then you should before trying reburning a cd ... i agree dont just do exactly what you did last time ... do it as this guy says ... it fixed my inconsistent burns
[04:48] <tom_> http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/coasterless.htm
[04:48] <Xenguy> tom_: I see what you mean now - yep :-)
[04:49] <Xenguy> So guys - I'm thinking seriously of doing a 'stealth install' of Ubu at work, and I need yer help on a couple of points =)
[04:50] <Xenguy> I'm thinking of bringing in a 2nd hard drive and adding it to the box at work.  The main thing I don't want to happen is to screw up the NTLDR (W2kPro's bootloader on the MBR)...
[04:50] <alakdan> bob2 crimsun; hmm. apt-cache policy enligthenment  I get the ff: ubuntu based = 1:0.16.6-1 0 and debian unstable from soulmachine.net 0.16.7.2-0cvs20041022
[04:51] <Xenguy> Does anyone here have W2K and Ubu playing nice with each other's boot loaders?
[04:51] <alakdan> it seems apt always choose the old one because of the '1:0' prefix in ubuntu
[04:51] <alakdan> version
[04:51] <florofila> hello =)
[04:51] <bob2> Xenguy: which disk is it then?
[04:51] <tom_> Xenguy its a free universe but stealth linux activuty in a production situation is not gonna endear you to anyone
[04:52] <bob2> Xenguy: does it have a floppy drive?
[04:52] <bob2> alakdan: yes
[04:52] <bob2> alakdan: do the =VERSION thing I said
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> Xenguy: most workplaces dislike you bringing storage devices onsite
[04:52] <alakdan> bob2: did it, thanks a lot!!! :)
[04:53] <Xenguy> bob2: W2K is already installed on HD1 (at work); I want to install Ubu to HD2, *without* f***ing up the W2K boot loader/MBR
[04:53] <HrdwrBoB> especially large storage devices
[04:53] <florofila> nobody says hello =(
[04:53] <bob2> alakdan: ah, cool
[04:53] <bob2> Xenguy: hd1 is not a disk in linux
[04:53] <bob2> Xenguy: you need to fidn the device names if you want help with the grub problem
[04:53] <Xenguy> tom_ HrdwrBoB : yep I know - but I *think* I know what I am doing in this case -- thanks for the warnings tho
[04:53] <bob2> Xenguy: as for work, if you really want to subvert your admins, you can boot a usb key or cd or floppy disk and run it from the hard disk
[04:54] <bob2> florofila: one person joins every 20 seconds, if everyone got a hello and goodbye, that's all there would be :)
[04:54] <Xenguy> bob2: sorry for the confusing shorthand (HD == hard drive != hd?)
[04:55] <tom_> bye guys thanks for the company
[04:55] <Ruffian|Q|> Ill prolly use Ubuntu PPC
[04:55] <Xenguy> bob2: as for usb key/cd/floppy -- I'm not sure how to do that -- I really want to install Ubu honestly...
[04:56] <Xenguy> bob2: as for the device names, let's assume it would be something like W2K == /dev/hda1, and Ubu == /dev/hdb1 (is that what you mean?)
[04:57] <florofila> bob2, but nobody say hello
[04:57] <bezak> hi again guys, still no love with the pppoe
[04:57] <florofila> burp nevermind
[04:57] <Xenguy> bob2: yes there is a floppy drive
[04:57] <JDahl> Does fixing openAFS have any priority for Ubuntu?
[04:58] <bezak> i took the gateway out of my /etc/network/interfaces but it didnt make a difference, should there be some reference to ppp0 in my interfaces file?
[04:58] <bob2> Xenguy: you can install ubuntu to a disk, but boot it from a floppy/usb thing.  it's just so yuou don't have to fiddle the windows bootloader
[04:58] <bob2> florofila: as I said...
[04:58] <bob2> JDahl: do you want to help :)
[04:58] <Xenguy> bezak: I was wrestling with the same kind of problem earlier tonight
[04:58] <Xenguy> bezak: no luck here either so far
[04:58] <florofila> is there a channel about ubuntu on spanish?
[04:58] <bob2> bezak: pon should generate it
[04:58] <bob2> florofila: #ubuntu-us
[04:58] <bob2> er, es
[04:59] <JDahl> bob2, atleast I finally got it working... so I wouldnt mind passing on whatever I know
[04:59] <bezak> bob2: hmmm it doesnt seem to have
[04:59] <Xenguy> bob2: ahh, now I see what you are saying -- OK.  usb is out (I don't have one); but floppy would probably work alright
[04:59] <florofila> thanks
[04:59] <bob2> JDahl: cool, could you create a wiki page explaining what you did?
[04:59] <florofila> is ubuntu-es no us =)
[04:59] <bezak> woops
[04:59] <JDahl> bob2, sure
[04:59] <marcdm> tom_: been reading the page you sent me...
[05:00] <bezak> auto eth0 iface eth0 intet static name Ethernet LAN card address 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 network 192.168.0.0
[05:00] <marcdm> tom_: however, cdrecord returns an error...
[05:01] <marcdm> I feel like such a bother.
[05:01] <florofila> alguien habla espaol?
[05:01] <gen> negative
[05:01] <Xenguy> marcdm: I think tom_ is gone (?)
[05:01] <bob2> florofila: this is an english-speaking channel
[05:01] <bezak> un poco :P
[05:01] <florofila> i know
[05:01] <bob2> bezak: is eth0 the one plugged into your dsl modem?
[05:02] <florofila> but in ubuntu-es nobody speak
[05:02] <bezak> bob2: certainly is
[05:02] <bezak> speak louder mb they can't hear you :)
[05:02] <florofila> buta la wea
[05:02] <bob2> florofila: please?
[05:02] <bob2> florofila: there's a spanish mailing list and forum, too
[05:02] <jdub> florofila: estoy buscando mis pantalones
[05:04] <bezak> bob2: is there a way i can manually put my ppp0 in there?
[05:05] <bob2> bezak: do you need to?
[05:05] <Xenguy> bezak: I was wondering the same - ppp0 should hold the IP address, not eth0
[05:05] <bezak> bob2: haha ive got no idea, I just want it to work
[05:06] <Ruffian|Q|> How do I make the Apple key = mouse button 2  on Ubuntu PPC?
[05:06] <bezak> hmm its time to order pizza i think
[05:06] <Xenguy> bezak: you would have to mention food wouldn't you :P
[05:06] <florofila> anyway, bye bad guys i think you're more friendly
[05:07] <bezak> ciao
[05:07] <bezak> Xenguy: I can see this takin a while
[05:07] <Xenguy> bezak: patience is everything :-)
[05:07] <Xenguy> and once it's set up (finally) -- it's done :-)
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> anyone here know why the network-admin tool complains about my WEP key?
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> they match
[05:08] <bezak> yeah its just when the internet doesnt work its sooo annoying
[05:08] <bezak> i had this problem on a gentoo box one time
[05:08] <bezak> i just installed mandrake haha
[05:08] <gen> you broken my intarweb!!
[05:08] <gen> mandrake is a bloat fest
[05:09] <bezak> urpmi is sweet though
[05:09] <Xenguy> bezak: http://turnofftheinternet.com/  ;-)
[05:09] <bezak> Xenguy: lol
[05:09] <Xenguy> bezak: darn, doesn't work too well with popup-blocker browsers ;-)
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> gen, too true
[05:10] <bezak> Xenguy: safari let it through
[05:10] <Xenguy> hehe
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> bezak: apt is better
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> and i was a staunch supporter of Mandrake for 4 years
[05:10] <bezak> nomasteryo: yeah i havent really used it, except with Fink on the mac.
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:10] <Xenguy> bezak: urpmi is MDK finally catching up to debian, years later ;-)
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:10] <bezak> haha
[05:11] <bezak> mdk control center is nice too
[05:11] <bob2> bezak: how did you get it working under gentoo?
[05:11] <bezak> bob2: lol i didnt i just gave up
[05:11] <bob2> erm, ok
[05:11] <bezak> bob2: im not sure if its the same problem though
[05:11] <bezak> hence the mandrake install
[05:12] <punkass> anyone know why in hoary, when u maximize a window in now covers the panels
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> i ask again, why would my wep key generate an error ("Set Encode" (8B2A) : invalid argument "my_wep_key".)
[05:12] <bob2> nomasteryoda: does it work if you set it in /etc/network/interfaces?
[05:12] <bob2> punkass: has anyone reported that as a bug yet?
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> er, isn't the interface for that
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> gui
[05:13] <punkass> not sure..just thought i would ask here first
[05:13] <bob2> nomasteryoda: is that a no?
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> er, not looked at that file ...will
[05:13] <bob2> ah
[05:13] <punkass> not sure where my_wep_key is from.. isnt it supposed to be: wireless_key
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> mine is wep
[05:14] <bezak> alright im off to try one more thing before i get pizza
[05:14] <bezak> bbl
[05:14] <nomasteryoda> but yea in the file
[05:14] <gen> PIZZZZ
[05:14] <gen> A
[05:14] <punkass> i know but in interfaces file it is: wireless_key 12341344 or whatever your key is
[05:14] <gen> i had pizza tonight
[05:14] <gen> rocked my world
[05:14] <punkass> hmm about to have a nice big burrito
[05:18] <johnnybezak> the bezak attack is back
[05:18] <johnnybezak> heres how i fixed my little pppoe problem
[05:18] <johnnybezak> route del default
[05:19] <bob2> right
[05:19] <johnnybezak> route add default ppp0
[05:19] <bob2> oh
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> bob2: what if my WEP key is there in the file?
[05:19] <johnnybezak> could someone tell me what that actually does
[05:19] <nomasteryoda> it still throws error
[05:19] <bob2> nomasteryoda: what throws an error?
[05:19] <bob2> johnnybezak: it tells your computer to use the ppp interface as it's default way of accessing the internet
[05:20] <Ruffian|Q|> How do I make the Apple key = mouse button 2  on Ubuntu PPC?
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> er, error ("Set Encode" (8B2A) : invalid argument "kojak
[05:20] <johnnybezak> bob2: do you know how i can make this happen on boot, ie automagically
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> where kojak is the WEP key
[05:20] <johnnybezak> bob2: so i dont have to do it all the time
[05:20] <bob2> nomasteryoda: don't you need ti give it as hex or something?
[05:20] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: hopefully my fix can help you
[05:20] <bob2> johnnybezak: paste your /etc/network/interfaces to #flood
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> er, in suse i didn'
[05:20] <nomasteryoda> not
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> ok... will try that
[05:22] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: i fixed the pppoe problem
[05:22] <johnnybezak> bob2: done
[05:22] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: hrm, interesting
[05:23] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: see above
[05:23] <johnnybezak> brb guys goin to pick up pizza
[05:23] <bob2> johnnybezak: erm, that's odd
[05:23] <bob2> I'm not sure why you're having problems then
[05:24] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: if there are any ubuntu developers listening, then they would probably be interested in this -- obviously this kind of hack shouldn't be necessary to get a basic pppoe connection going
[05:24] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: but hack or not, well done ;-)
[05:27] <bob2> it'd be great if one of you two can file a bug
[05:27] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: could you paste to #flood again by any chance (I'm there now)
[05:28] <Xenguy> bob2: tx for the paste
[05:29] <stuNNed_> man, network-admin is giving me troubles, seems buggy
[05:29] <stuNNed_> and there is no gnome-ppp in warty :(
[05:29] <HrdwrBoB> that's because modems are obsolete
[05:29] <bob2> Xenguy: you used pppoeconf, right?
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> bob2, thanks
[05:30] <HrdwrBoB> I mean.. yeah sucks
[05:30] <Xenguy> bob2: yes
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> brainblock or something
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> actual hex key made it work
[05:30] <nasdaq4088> arafat is dead
[05:30] <bob2> nomasteryoda: ah
[05:30] <bob2> nasdaq4088: yeah :/
[05:30] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, gives me troubles with wifi as well, is that obsolete?
[05:30] <Xenguy> nasdaq4088: :-(
[05:31] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, i know many folks who still use dialup modems...
[05:34] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: i just typed route del default then route add default ppp0 then pon
[05:35] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: got it - thanks.  I'm just cross-checking your paste to #flood with my own working debian 'interfaces' file
[05:36] <bob2> do you have ppp0 in your interfaces file?
[05:36] <johnnybezak> bob2: me?
[05:36] <bob2> Xenguy: you
[05:38] <Xenguy> bob2: it seems all my 'eth0' entries are commented out - there are only references to eth1 (my 2nd NIC in the gateway box)
[05:38] <bob2> ahhh
[05:38] <bob2> eth0 is the ppp one?
[05:39] <Xenguy> bob2: yes (if I understand correctly) -- ppp0 uses eth0
[05:39] <Xenguy> bob2: does that make sense?
[05:40] <bob2> yes
[05:41] <Xenguy> bob2: I think you know more about this issue than I do right now :-)
[05:42] <bob2> johnnybezak: try commenting out eth0 completely
[05:43] <Xenguy> bob2: to answer your original question: no I have no references to ppp0 in the interfaces file
[05:43] <johnnybezak> bob2: yeah ill give it a go, but for the moment ill go with "if it aint broke dont fix it" hehe time to play with some fun stuff
[05:43] <bob2> Xenguy: cool, thanks
[05:43] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: OK, but it would be nice to solve this issue too (rather than just relax with a workaround), yes?  :-)
[05:44] <bob2> I suspect the key is to not have either listed, and to jyst let pon sort it out
[05:44] <bob2> can one of you check that?
[05:44] <Xenguy> bob2: I can test that, but I will disappear from here for a while if I do :-)
[05:44] <bob2> heh
[05:44] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: haha you guys are obviously less lazy than me
[05:45] <bob2> well, when you don't mind dropping off, that would be great
[05:45] <johnnybezak> bob2: what do you want to try?
[05:45] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: I'm lazy too, but when the scent is fresh, y'know ... ;-)
[05:45] <johnnybezak> :)
[05:45] <NetSurfAU> I'm a complete novice with Linux.  I'm trying to set Ubuntu up on a L/top that has only a PCMCIA CD Rom & I can't find the right set of floppy's to install Ubuntu from this CD Rom.  HELP!!!  :)
[05:46] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: < bob2> I suspect the key is to not have either listed, and to jyst let pon sort it
[05:46] <Xenguy>               out
[05:46] <bob2> NetSurfAU: erm, are you sure there are any ubuntu install floppies at all?
[05:46] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: do you want to test this (are you in Ubu right now?), or shall I?
[05:46] <hypa7ia_> i don't think that there are
[05:47] <tseng> there surely arent, since its on the list for hoary
[05:47] <tseng> why talk about fixing something that isnt broken :)
[05:47] <bob2> yeah, that's what I thought
[05:47] <NetSurfAU> The documentation mentions something about using Debian one's, but I can't find the correct ones there either.
[05:47] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: haha you can :)
[05:48] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: damn, you *are* a lazy bastard ;-)
[05:48] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: hehehe
[05:49] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: are you in ubu now?>
[05:50] <johnnybezak> guys when i try and use the graphical sreen res tool it doesnt have the right screen res, is there anyway to add an option or am i editing xf86.conf??
[05:51] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: nope, debian
[05:51] <bob2> "graphical screen res tool"?
[05:52] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: ok ill do it then
[05:52] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: I take back all those nasty things I said  =)
[05:52] <bob2> the gnome randr applet?
[05:52] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: so comment out eth0 in my interfaces config
[05:52] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: yep
[05:53] <Xenguy> (man, Stairway to Heaven still works for me)
[05:53] <marcdm> bob2: Hey
[05:53] <marcdm> wazzup?
[05:53] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: look in flood is this what he means
[05:54] <marcdm> I just got our little red-error screen again. trying to install Ubu
[05:54] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: K, sec
[05:54] <bob2> marcdm: did you burn a non-broken cd yet?
[05:55] <marcdm> actually, I didn't test this one because md5sum in Winxp was fighting the CD... but I just burned this CD with nero
[05:55] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: I think we want to ask bob2 if that is what he means
[05:55] <bob2> johnnybezak: no, the last lines, too
[05:55] <bob2> everythign except the two lo lines
[05:55] <johnnybezak> bob2: ok
[05:56] <johnnybezak> alright
[05:56] <johnnybezak> i saved it
[05:56] <johnnybezak> and poffed
[05:56] <johnnybezak> then poned
[05:57] <johnnybezak> and the net works
[05:57] <bob2> cool
[05:57] <johnnybezak> should i try a restart to if everything is ok?
[05:57] <marcdm> bob2: I burned a new CD using nero 6.0.11 in WinXP. It stopped in the same place
[05:57] <marcdm> I'm beginning to think it's a problem with the hard drive
[05:57] <bob2> johnnybezak: if you can, that would be great, but I'm pretty sure it's all good now
[05:58] <johnnybezak> bob2: ill give it a restart
[05:58] <bob2> marcdm: you verified the md5sum of the iso?
[05:58] <johnnybezak> brb
[05:58] <bob2> erm, cd, not iso
[06:00] <Xenguy> marcdm: where does it freeze?
[06:00] <seek187> Where is my local mail located?
[06:00] <marcdm> iso's MD5 checks out.
[06:00] <marcdm> it freezes when it tries to install initrd-tools
[06:01] <Xenguy> marcdm: does it do a 'flashing' routine when it freezes?
[06:01] <johnnybezak> bob2: all systems are go
[06:01] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: woohoo
[06:02] <johnnybezak> hehe
[06:02] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: tx for the lessons learned :-)
[06:02] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: i was just going along for the ride
[06:03] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: had no real idea what i was doing
[06:03] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: every little bit helps - truly
[06:03] <johnnybezak> haha
[06:03] <johnnybezak> now to fix X
[06:03] <johnnybezak> in my x config it has the right resolution but that is being overridden by the GUI tool in the computer menu
[06:04] <johnnybezak> anyone know how that thing owrks?
[06:04] <marcdm> Xenguy: no flashing. That was before I changed the cdrom drive
[06:05] <Xenguy> marcdm: OK, I had a problem getting the installation to proceed the first few times I tried -- finally it started to work (I swapped a CD-ROM drive at one point too)
[06:06] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: see you around (booting back into Ubu momentarily)
[06:06] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: yeah catcha man good luck
[06:09] <weasello> when ubuntu is looking for my hostname, that's .. like... google.com, right? (Except my own address)
[06:14] <Tyche> Ubuntu is the BEST AROUND!
[06:14] <crimsun> weasello: yep
[06:15] <GnuHippy> apt-get is broken for me
[06:15] <Rene_S> Hmm, I keep hearing how Windows is the best around, sad really.  No one can seem to agree on anything anymore.
[06:15] <GnuHippy> no I hear it is OS X
[06:16] <GnuHippy> Apple is the self-proclaimed bestest
[06:16] <Rene_S> In the pre Window's 95 era, I thought Dos was pretty good.
[06:17] <GnuHippy> you didn't use Windows 95?
[06:17] <Rene_S> I used OS/2 then
[06:17] <GnuHippy> ic
[06:17] <Rene_S> IBM shipped out free CD's of that
[06:17] <GnuHippy> it's too bad nobody really wants to take on M$ that way anymore
[06:18] <johnnybezak> hey guys i have an X problem the resolution in X 1440/900 is right but for some reason ubu is using the gnome resolution tool instead of the x config file, and the gnome tool doesnt have 1440/900 anyone know a solution?
[06:18] <Rene_S> It's expensive
[06:18] <Rene_S> Add a modeline
[06:18] <Rene_S> there is program on your comp called gtf
[06:19] <johnnybezak> Rene_s: was that to me?
[06:19] <Rene_S> so you add gtf 1440 900 85  and paste that into your xorg or Xfree86 file
[06:19] <zenwhen> Eventually the average joe is going to care about Open Source software. Not soon, but one day. Not the way we do, but he may care enough to run a Linux based OS that just works when he installs it and can do so for free.
[06:19] <zenwhen> Ubuntu s a huge leap towards that.
[06:20] <Rene_S> the 85 can be replaced by whatever resolution you want
[06:20] <Witigonen> So, is it possible to watch streaming quicktime movies with sound in Ubuntu?
[06:20] <zenwhen> I switched my mom from windows to ubuntu and she loves it.
[06:20] <zenwhen> all she needs is a web broswer and email client
[06:20] <Lowry> hi all
[06:20] <zenwhen> she has them and is happy
[06:21] <Lowry> I crashed gnome-help - what does it list under in Bug Buddy?
[06:22] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, did you get that ?
[06:23] <wm_eddie> Witigonen: Have you checked out VLC?
[06:23] <encryptio> mmm... vlc
[06:23] <wm_eddie> Although it's GTK+ only it's pretty good.
[06:23] <encryptio> is 0.8 in hoary yet?
[06:24] <billytwowilly> 0.8 what?
[06:24] <Lowry> anyone?
[06:25] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: sort of
[06:26] <encryptio> 0.8 of vlc.
[06:26] <Chibi> Would anyone appreciate it if I put together some more recent XFCE packages than the ones in universe? :o
[06:26] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: i typed
[06:27] <Witigonen> wm_eddie, I'm trying to watch this streaming video content on PBS' website (Commanding Heights).  So I don't really know where exactly the file is to try and get it for VLC.
[06:27] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, hmm, I wonder if there is a web page that can explain it better. lemme see
[06:27] <Witigonen> wm_eddie, I do have VLC, though :)
[06:27] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: gtf 1440 900 70
[06:27] <johnnybezak> and it said   # 1440x900 @ 70.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 65.59 kHz; pclk: 126.98 MHz
[06:27] <johnnybezak>   Modeline "1440x900_70.00"  126.98  1440 1536 1688 1936  900 901 904 937  -HSync +Vsync
[06:27] <johnnybezak> now what do i do?
[06:28] <GnuHippy> remove the comment tag
[06:28] <GnuHippy> the #
[06:28] <johnnybezak> GnuHippy: i didnt put it there
[06:28] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, ok go hear and follow the directions there pretty straight forward  http://sh.nu/nvidia/modeline_howto.html
[06:30] <Chibi> Okay, I suppose not. :/
[06:30] <johnnybezak> its wierd there is no mention anywhere in my xconfig of the resolution I am running now, only the proper one but its not the one im running now
[06:30] <treason^> anyone installed ubuntu on a intel motherboard with integrated graphics/sound?
[06:30] <Rene_S> Does your config have the proper horizontal and vertical number s in the monitor section ?
[06:32] <GnuHippy> apt-get is broken for me
[06:32] <GnuHippy> I can't get it working again
[06:32] <Rene_S> broken ?
[06:32] <GnuHippy> sec
[06:33] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: ok i put that modeline info in should i restart X
[06:33] <johnnybezak> Rene_S:?
[06:33] <Rene_S> yeah
[06:33] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, just like windows hehe restart x
[06:33] <GnuHippy> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:33] <GnuHippy>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kcontrol_4%3a3.2.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb
[06:33] <GnuHippy> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:34] <Rene_S> oh, mine does that 2
[06:34] <GnuHippy> but it won't let me install anything
[06:34] <Rene_S> you need to fix that
[06:34] <Ruffian|JANE|> Hi Roblinux
[06:34] <Rene_S> I know in synaptic I can choose fix
[06:34] <RobLinux> Hi Ruffian
[06:34] <RobLinux> what you doing here
[06:35] <Rene_S> not sure how it would be done on the command line
[06:35] <GnuHippy> I got it working
[06:35] <GnuHippy> I removed k3b
[06:36] <GnuHippy> I can't wait till hoary is more stable!!
[06:36] <Ruffian|JANE|> lol, your using Hoary
[06:36] <GnuHippy> yeah
[06:36] <Ruffian|JANE|> it will be more stable wne ITS ACTUALLY RELEASED!
[06:36] <Ruffian|JANE|> =)
[06:36] <Rene_S> I cant wait till I dont need to rely on KDE apps
[06:36] <Ruffian|JANE|> I love KDE
[06:37] <zenwhen> I am looking forward to that as well
[06:37] <hypa7ia_> Rene_S, what kde apps are you using?
[06:37] <GnuHippy> I gotta have all the latest stuff :)
[06:37] <zenwhen> I would REALLY like to remove everything related ot kde from ym system right now
[06:37] <zenwhen> to my*
[06:37] <GnuHippy> I don't like KDE or Gnome ATM they both have their quirks
[06:37] <Xenguy> bob2: bummer, I commented out the eth0 references in /etc/network/interfaces but I still get no ppp0 interface showing up via pppoeconf and when I run ifconfig, or pon :-/
[06:37] <GnuHippy> I like explorer!!
[06:37] <encryptio> ...
[06:37] <Rene_S> hypa7ia_, Kaffeine for my porn, k3b more music burning and apollon to get my porn .... hehe
[06:37] <gen> explorer lol
[06:38] <zenwhen> I use K3b.
[06:38] <GnuHippy> Totem-xine is good for pr0n
[06:38] <zenwhen> Thats it.
[06:38] <zenwhen> lol
[06:38] <pdaoust> GnuHippy: don't use expletives in this room
[06:38] <Xenguy> bob2: I really don't know what I am doing wrong, but I think this means the networking interface needs to be improved
[06:38] <RobLinux> you can use different enviornment with ubuntu?
[06:38] <pdaoust> GnuHippy: like 'explorer'
[06:38] <zenwhen> Xenguy, dialup?
[06:38] <encryptio> yeah, it's "unsupported" though
[06:38] <gen> roblinux: of course
[06:38] <Xenguy> zenwhen: DSL/pppoe
[06:38] <zenwhen> Oh
[06:38] <zenwhen> nevermind
[06:39] <Rene_S> For some reason the Totem-xine front end always dies on me
[06:39] <RobLinux> gen: I'm dual-booting Yoper and Libranet, and Libranet is family with Ubuntu,
[06:39] <Xenguy> RobLinux: what does that mean?
[06:39] <pdaoust> Rene_S: when you run it from the console, do you get any error messages?
[06:39] <GnuHippy> Yoper.... It is stable for you?
[06:40] <RobLinux> that means that I'm wondering what I'm gonna do when Libranet 3 comes out is not gonna be free and I wanna stay with a free good sitro debian based
[06:40] <Rene_S> Hmm dunno never tried running it from a console before hehe odd considering i use that method for all my other misbehaving apps
[06:40] <RobLinux> Yes it is its nice!!! I'm using a celeron 634mhz 256mb 20gb
[06:40] <RobLinux> LInux Box
[06:40] <pdaoust> Rene_S: :-)
[06:40] <RobLinux> Stronger, Faster, Stable it must be yoper! thats what it says on the logging :)
[06:40] <Xenguy> RobLinux: go free - there's no real dilemma there
[06:41] <RobLinux> yea I'm gonna stay with Yoper and might go with Ubuntu ;) since ... Ubuntu and Libranet are the best support I ever gotten
[06:42] <GnuHippy> if only I could get DMA working on my drives...
[06:42] <Rene_S> I am gonna wait till Andreas gets his website up and releases 2.2 for Gnome
[06:42] <RobLinux> Yea I cant wait for San Andreas either!!!
[06:42] <seek187> anyone know how to get the computer icon on the desktop to open with thte command line??\
[06:42] <GnuHippy> I am helping with Yoper64
[06:43] <GnuHippy> lol @ rob
[06:43] <pdaoust> seek187: nautilus computer:///
[06:43] <seek187> ah thanks!
[06:43] <pdaoust> seek187: that is, if you're wanting to do it in Nautilus. If you just want to find the folder in the filesystem, it's actually a magical virtual folder that doesn't exist outside of gnome-vfs
[06:44] <Rene_S> hypa7ia_, I was only kidding about the porn btw.
[06:44] <seek187> perfect! thats what I wanted
[06:44] <RobLinux> GnuHippy: what you mean you helping with Yoper64?
[06:45] <pdaoust> seek187: glad I could help!
[06:45] <hypa7ia_> suuuure Rene_S :-)
[06:45] <seek187> :)
[06:45] <GnuHippy> packaging and artwork
[06:45] <RobLinux> oh you mean for Yoper?
[06:45] <GnuHippy> yeah
[06:45] <RobLinux> Yoper64 for AMd Athlon 64?
[06:45] <GnuHippy> but only the 64 bit build
[06:45] <Rene_S> hypa7ia_, Honest, I only watch porn on my tv.  My computer is a Virgin
[06:45] <GnuHippy> yes
[06:46] <RobLinux> ya ;)
[06:46] <hypa7ia_> lol
[06:46] <GnuHippy> porn on ur tv??? You buy porn?
[06:46] <Rene_S> No, I steal it off Satellite like other folks
[06:46] <encryptio> nooooo!
[06:46] <encryptio> good man
[06:46] <GnuHippy> ic
[06:46] <RobLinux> Nice I'll be getting a amd 64 laptop in the near future (few months) so I can have 3 computers :)
[06:47] <RobLinux> All you folks using Ubuntu ?
[06:47] <Rene_S> I am
[06:47] <GnuHippy> I am
[06:47] <hypa7ia_> i am, on a laptop
[06:47] <pdaoust> RobLinux: I am; I just switched from Gentoo on MOnday
[06:47] <RobLinux> GnuHippy let me ask you, Yoper is ok for a intel celeron 634mhz ?
[06:47] <GnuHippy> yes
[06:47] <RobLinux> pdaoust: Coool how you like ubuntu?
[06:47] <hypa7ia_> RobLinux, think twice before getting an amg64 laptop... you're not gonna have any batt life
[06:47] <Rene_S> Lapdance ?  What does linux have to do with Lapdance ?
[06:48] <GnuHippy> it is really good on older machines down to p2s
[06:48] <pdaoust> RobLinux: (hard drive crashed, and it's my work computer, so I had to get things up and running quick -- none of this three days of compiling anymore ;-)
[06:48] <nab_> hello!
[06:48] <Tyche> I have it installed on laptop and also 700
[06:48] <RobLinux> hypa7ia : I thought it was better
[06:48] <Tyche> RobLinux: I think you would be fine with that.
[06:48] <nab_> i love ubuntu :)
[06:48] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, did that work for ya you were away awhile ?
[06:48] <pdaoust> RobLinux: my bad Gentoo habits are hard to get rid of, though; I'm already installing all sorts of fun unstable packages.
[06:48] <wm_eddie> Xenguy: everything needs a gentoosmite functions :)
[06:48] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: hmm i tried putting that into my config file, which worked but it doesnt actually affect my screen res
[06:49] <pdaoust> what the hell is gentoosmite?
[06:49] <Xenguy> nab_: if I could get a working net connection, I'd be real happy ;-)
[06:49] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: still not working?
[06:49] <Xenguy> pdaoust: a bot function that 'smites' gentoo users ;-)
[06:49] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, odd
[06:49] <RobLinux> what unstable means?
[06:49] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, thats how i do mine all the time
[06:49] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: its being overridden by this little gnome system config tool
[06:49] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: nah, fucked up -- it's probably something stupid, but it still pisses me off
[06:49] <pdaoust> xenguy: that's just bloody not fair. what's wrong with us?!?
[06:50] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: yeah
[06:50] <pdaoust> xenguy: oh yeah, I forgot, we're 'ricers'
[06:50] <pdaoust> ^_^
[06:50] <Xenguy> pdaoust: this is ubuntu, I'm not running away from gentoo users here, OK ? ;-)
[06:50] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: do you know where this gnome program gets its screen res numbers from
[06:50] <Dekkard> www.funroll-loops.org
[06:50] <pdaoust> heh heh
[06:50] <pdaoust> dekkard: yes, yes, I've seen it
[06:50] <pdaoust> :-D
[06:50] <[Quackers] > hmmm... hello guys
[06:50] <hypa7ia_> RobLinux, no, you're definitely gonna have far worse batt life on an amd64 than on a pentium-m
[06:51] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, its supposed to get it from you Xorg or Xfree86 config file
[06:51] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: can i show you my X config file?
[06:51] <nab_> hehe xen my connection works but im a noob so i cannot help you ;)
[06:51] <wm_eddie> what's newer hoary or warty?
[06:51] <[Quackers] > I need some help
[06:51] <[Quackers] > I'm getting the error "Error loading operating system" after installing ubuntu. The installation process was really smooth, but on reboot my computer wouldn't boot.
[06:51] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, sure if ya want
[06:51] <GnuHippy> although AMD64 is much better than regular p4 mobile chips
[06:51] <johnnybezak> ok ill post it in flood
[06:51] <Xenguy> nab_: just tell me how you set it up :-)
[06:51] <pdaoust> wm_eddie: warty is the first release; hoary is the second
[06:51] <wm_eddie> ok
[06:52] <wm_eddie> hoary is going to have firefox 1.0 soon right?
[06:52] <Xenguy> nab_: pppoeconf?
[06:52] <nab_> i already set it up during installation when it aksed for ip,dns,etc
[06:52] <gen> wm_eddie: just get it yourself, it's a simple install
[06:52] <wm_eddie> I think I'll add hoary to my sources list just to get it.
[06:52] <pdaoust> wm_eddie: I've already installed firefox 1.0 RC1 from hoary
[06:52] <Rene_S> Hmm does no one dl Firefox from mozilla anymore ?
[06:52] <Xenguy> nab_: hrm
[06:52] <gen> pdaoust: he means 1.0 not an rc
[06:52] <wm_eddie> Rene_S: The point of apt it to not have to roll your own packages.
[06:52] <nab_> xen its easy for me cause im using a LAN (NAT)
[06:52] <pdaoust> gen: ohhhh
[06:52] <pdaoust> k
[06:53] <Rene_S> wm_eddie, I dont mozilla makes a nice installer :)
[06:53] <wm_eddie> Rene_S: Yeah but it still installs to /usr/local/firefox/ doesn't it?
[06:53] <RobLinux> you folks know whats the difference between apt-get install ... and apt-get -t testing install ?
[06:53] <pdaoust> (to whoever is interested) I think the reason I liked Gentoo so much was not the whole compiling crap... I quickly became enamored with simply installing binaries as soon as I installed Ubuntu... I liked Gentoo because of the package manager (that's the reason most like Gentoo). I think deb/apt is quite lovely.
[06:53] <wm_eddie> that's like not cool.
[06:54] <Rene_S> No I install mine in /home/idiotuser/
[06:54] <hypa7ia_> obligatory gentoo flame: http://www.eghetto.ca/~msviolet/Humour/gentoo.jpg
[06:54] <gen> rene_s: you should put in /usr/local/
[06:54] <nab_> Is here anyone who can tell me why the hell im only getting 75hz when my monitor makes 100hz? i entered the correct values at frglxconfig
[06:54] <Xenguy> nab_: yeah, I was thinking DHCP would be a snap (but I'm on static IP at home)
[06:54] <nab_> im using static ip myself
[06:55] <Rene_S> Nah, Its only there till there is a deb file :)
[06:55] <pdaoust> hypa7ia_: harsh!!!!!
[06:55] <hypa7ia_> i know :-)
[06:55] <Rene_S> then i do what everyone esle does and apt-get
[06:55] <pdaoust> so, guys, tell me: what do people not like about Gentooists?
[06:55] <hypa7ia_> i only tease because i love :-)
[06:55] <[Quackers] > someone help me please, I'm getting the error "Error loading operating system" after installing ubuntu. The installation process was really smooth, but on reboot my computer wouldn't boot.
[06:55] <pdaoust> heh heh
[06:55] <gabriel82> has anyone here installed ubuntu on a powerbook?
[06:55] <pdaoust> [Quackers] : are you in Windows right now?
[06:55] <hypa7ia_> well, pdaoust, the attitude is annoying as !@#$
[06:55] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: i just pasted it into flood
[06:55] <trans_err> gabriel82, yeah?
[06:55] <gen> quackers, you from sa?
[06:56] <gabriel82> trans_err: how's it?
[06:56] <[Quackers] > pdaoust, im currently on another computer
[06:56] <[Quackers] > yeah gen
[06:56] <wm_eddie> pdaoust: the main reason I think is that a few have sent bogus bug reports to countless projects.
[06:56] <gen> knew it
[06:56] <pdaoust> hypa71a_: are they, like, stuck up and elitist or something?
[06:56] <trans_err> every works except sleep and 3d accel
[06:56] <Xenguy> hypa7ia_: heheh
[06:56] <stuNNed> now i can see why hsfmodem was pulled from the repo's, cuz it is the suxor, who should i file a bug with?  ubuntu?  linuxant?  or both? :D
[06:56] <pdaoust> wm_eddie: I'm one of those ^_^ mind you, I submitted a bug to the Gentoo bugzilla, not the... oh wait, no, I sent the bug to the Evo bugzilla too. oops.
[06:57] <Xenguy> nab_: (please preface your lines with my nick) What you have a static IP and it works for you?! /me wonders what is wrong
[06:57] <wm_eddie> pdaoust: And other than that, many have a "3y3m t3h l33t h4x0rz" feeling... if you know what I mean.
[06:57] <pdaoust> wm_eddie: yeah, I can appreciate that, I guess ^_^
[06:58] <pdaoust> wm_eddie: the bug report I filed turned out not to be an Evo bug at all, but a bug in one of the themes I'd installed off the 'Net. erg. I should go and close it.
[06:58] <Rene_S> crap missed the top section
[06:58] <Rene_S> can you repaste that for me please ?
[06:58] <hypa7ia_> pdaoust, yeah, what wm_eddie said.
[06:59] <wm_eddie> pdaoust: gentoo made me realize the importance of submitting but reports to the proper maintainer of your distro, instead of directly to upstream.
[06:59] <pdaoust> wm_eddie: are you a convert from Gentoo?
[07:00] <encryptio> am i stupid or a linux man? i just upgraded most of my system to hoary (except gnome, kernels, and apt/dpkg stuff).
[07:00] <Rene_S> Only half an upgrade ?
[07:00] <pdaoust> encryptio: you're just a bleeding-edge freak like most of us ^_^
[07:00] <Rene_S> You missing out on the buggy parts
[07:00] <wm_eddie> The last straw was when I needed a VNC client to help my sister with some computer programs... and none would compile.
[07:01] <encryptio> only kde and most of the rest of my stuff i installed from universe
[07:01] <hypa7ia_> lol
[07:01] <pdaoust> wm_eddie: I really loved Gentoo, but I just couldn't afford to have my computer down for so long anymore. And also I'm really appreciating a distro that 'Just Works'.
[07:01] <wm_eddie> Then I thought to myself what the fuck is the point of a package manager that doesn't work!  I was very very angry.
[07:01] <encryptio> well, i like missing the buggy parts! :)
[07:01] <hypa7ia_> wm_eddie, i stopped way before you... when in the install i was told to write my own grub script.  i think not.
[07:01] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, can you repaste the top half of your x file i missed it
[07:02] <pdaoust> wm_eddie: I had very few problems with the package manager. It worked for me.
[07:02] <johnnybezak> ok but the top half doesnt really matter does it?
[07:02] <Rene_S> yeah
[07:02] <wm_eddie> pdaoust: I'd always find stupid packages that wouldn't build.
[07:02] <Rene_S> it tells me how your monitor is configured
[07:02] <Rene_S> the bottom part looks right
[07:02] <johnnybezak> Rene_S ok
[07:03] <pdaoust> heh heh
[07:03] <Rene_S> That was my fear in using FreeBSD
[07:04] <hypa7ia_> my fear with freebsd as just drivers.  drivers are the bane of my existence
[07:04] <fhobia> how do i install mozilla-suite ?
[07:05] <Adrenal> that inbox monitor for the panel
[07:05] <Adrenal> is there anyway to make it check more then one pop3 account?
[07:05] <Rene_S> Women are the bane of my existance
[07:05] <Adrenal> cos gmail is about to get pop3
[07:05] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: there you go
[07:05] <pdaoust> I dunno, Rene, they're kinda cute ^_^
[07:06] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, merci
[07:06] <pdaoust> anyway, folks, I have to go to bed -- cya
[07:06] <Rene_S> Cute ?
[07:06] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: de rien
[07:06] <Adrenal> anyone?
[07:06] <pdaoust> Rene_S: yep, cute
[07:06] <Rene_S> After 37 years there not cute anymore
[07:06] <Rene_S> there old
[07:06] <pdaoust> Rene_S: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh... my condolences :D
[07:07] <hondo_san> Stupid question from a KDE on FreeBSD person, but after I install packages from either CLI or gui, should I expect to immediately see them in the applications menu, or is there some GNome MoJo I need
[07:07] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, that parts ok, next part has the monitor and vid card peice
[07:07] <Adrenal> GNOME SUCKS
[07:07] <Rene_S> thats the critical part
[07:07] <Adrenal> now that i have your attention
[07:08] <hypa7ia_> hondo_san, sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't
[07:08] <Adrenal> can i make the mail check check more then one account?
[07:08] <pdaoust> Adrenal: hush, such language
[07:08] <pdaoust> and blaspheny
[07:08] <hypa7ia_> Adrenal, tried synaptic?
[07:08] <Adrenal> looked there, but way too many apps to scroll through
[07:08] <pdaoust> Adrenal: what mail checker are you using? GNOME mail checker?
[07:08] <pdaoust> xbiff?
[07:08] <Adrenal> was wondering if anyone could send me in the right direction
[07:08] <Adrenal> yeh, using the gnome
[07:09] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, Your horizontal and vertical refresh dont go as high as 85
[07:09] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: there you go
[07:10] <hypa7ia_> Adrenal, it's in synaptics, just search for mozilla
[07:10] <pdaoust> Adrenal: doesn't look like it; what I'd do is just use multiple instances of the applet and configure each one for a different account...
[07:10] <Adrenal> yeh
[07:10] <pdaoust> Adrenal: kinda cheesy solution, but hey -- it works!
[07:10] <Adrenal> thats what i was thinking
[07:10] <Adrenal> is there anyway to put in custom animations then?
[07:10] <Rene_S> thats the problem, your modeline is set for 85 hz and neither you vertical or you horizontal support that
[07:10] <Rene_S> are you sure your monitor settings are correct ?
[07:11] <johnnybezak> the refresh rates?
[07:11] <seek187> wow gdesklets takes up lots of ram
[07:11] <Rene_S> yeah look at them 28-72 and 43-60
[07:11] <pdaoust> Adrenal: I think all you hafta do is drop the custom animations into /usr/share/pixmaps/mailcheck
[07:12] <Adrenal> thanks
[07:12] <pdaoust> Adrenal: then they'll appear in your list, under Preferences
[07:12] <johnnybezak> ok so i have to make the hz to what 60?
[07:12] <Rene_S> Dunno whatever you monitor supports, do you have the book for it or something telling you what the specs are ?
[07:13] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: im on a mac, so no manual, but I could have a look on the net
[07:13] <Adrenal> thanks everyone
[07:13] <encryptio> johnny: what computer?
[07:14] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, yeah  try and find the spec for horizontal and vertical .  plugging in the wrong values can hurt the monitor
[07:14] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, for instance i know mine is 32-92 and 55-160
[07:15] <encryptio> and mine 30-180, 30-180
[07:15] <encryptio> (lcd)
[07:15] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: hmm i think there wrong
[07:15] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: i found some other ones on the net ill give them a go
[07:15] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, k
[07:15] <RobLinux> what program is there to download music with linux ? ubuntu/libranet?
[07:16] <encryptio> gtk-gnutella is my choice, but giftui is good too
[07:16] <encryptio> ^@roblinux
[07:16] <RobLinux> hmm let me try them both i havent heard of them
[07:16] <RobLinux> encyptio?
[07:16] <bitserf> is there an xcompmgr package?
[07:16] <Rene_S> I use Apollon
[07:16] <Rene_S> Its has all 3 networks i like
[07:16] <encryptio> yeah, roblinux?
[07:17] <RobLinux> oh you said ^@ me :-p
[07:17] <hypa7ia_> RobLinux, try soulseek
[07:17] <Lathiat_> bitserf: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[07:17] <Rene_S> or Nicotene
[07:17] <Rotund> does anyone know if there will be a release in ubuntu for the new nvidia drivers?
[07:17] <bitserf> lathiat: thanks muchly :)
[07:17] <bigtony> question: anyone using an old isa card with ubuntu. I can't get my isa nic to link
[07:18] <johnnybezak> agh copy paste arent workin what the crap
[07:18] <encryptio> another idea for you bigtony: have you tried a different crossover cable?
[07:18] <Rene_S> hmm Gnome sucks for cut and paste
[07:18] <bigtony> crossover cable works
[07:18] <bigtony> if i put it in pci card
[07:19] <bigtony> pci to pci worksfine
[07:19] <bigtony> same here all i can think of is pnp mode needs to be disabled
[07:19] <bigtony> but i don't know how
[07:19] <Ruffian|JANE|> Cant I add debian repositories in synaptic??
[07:19] <bigtony> you add it to the sources.list as far as i know
[07:20] <Rene_S> Here is a new idea for ya encryptio -- sharks with lasers on there heads :)
[07:20] <encryptio> settings->repositories for a gui method
[07:20] <Ruffian|JANE|> well, there is a menu in synaptic wher ou can add repositories
[07:20] <Rotund> I use the menu it works
[07:20] <RobLinux> who here is a heavy windows user that just transfered into linux ? (ubuntu)
[07:21] <hypa7ia_> Rene_S, nicotine is a frontend for soulseek
[07:21] <encryptio> Ruffian|JANE|, you caan, but it's "unsupported". and it might trash your install as well.
[07:21] <Ruffian|JANE|> RobLinux, I am
[07:21] <RobLinux> I am and I wanted to know what are the things  I need to get to make my linux as complete as possible and leave my windows behind
[07:21] <RobLinux> oh yea Ruffian ;) I know you :-p
[07:21] <Ruffian|JANE|> lol
[07:21] <Rotund> RobLinux: mplayer w/ w32codecs
[07:21] <gen> roblinux: i got vlc, mplayer, azureus, first day i installed..basically everything i need heh
[07:21] <RobLinux> how do I get that rotund
[07:21] <Rene_S> hypa7ia_, oh, and are trying to call me dumb then ??? Hehe
[07:22] <RobLinux> yea I need codecs
[07:22] <gen> do a google rob
[07:22] <gen> plenty of guides
[07:22] <encryptio> bigtony: keep trying different days and hours.. you might find a guy that knows the answer. that's how i got my 3ddesktop fixed.
[07:22] <Rotund> RobLinux: In synaptic, enable universe and add multiverse to it
[07:22] <bigtony> good deal
[07:22] <bigtony> i gotta fix this monitor i think its tube is screwed
[07:22] <hypa7ia_> lol, Rene_S, no :-p
[07:22] <gen> crt's are so 1980's
[07:23] <Rene_S> that may be but mine still works
[07:23] <bigtony> enabl: whats a good font to use in here
[07:23] <bigtony> err
[07:23] <bigtony> encryptio
[07:23] <Rotund> RobLinux: Add "ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/" "testing" "main" to the repositories and w32codecs is in there
[07:23] <RobLinux> ROtund I'm liking console better :) i do apt-get -t testing install
[07:23] <RobLinux> thanks
[07:24] <RobLinux> lets see how i learn to add it :-p
[07:24] <Rotund> there one called flash-nonfree, get that
[07:24] <Rotund> (flash support)
[07:24] <Rotund> mplayerplug-in is good
[07:24] <Rene_S> hypa7ia_, Ok, cause if you were I would tell ya to get in line there are plenty of folks ahead of ya that call me dumb :)
[07:24] <gen> roblinux: can add by, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:24] <bitserf> yes! drop shadow windows :)
[07:25] <Rotund> I'm sorry.  mozilla-mplayer
[07:25] <RobLinux> Rotund, I'm using Libranet at the moment but im also a ubuntu user :)
[07:25] <encryptio> yea, bigt?
[07:25] <Rotund> RobLinux: okay
[07:25] <bigtony> whats a good font combo to use in here
[07:25] <bigtony> my eyes are going retarded :)
[07:26] <bitserf> don't suppose there are accelerated ATI drivers for 6.8 yet?
[07:26] <Rotund> RobLinux: I don't know what sort of stuff you normally use.  Ubuntu hit most of the basics outside the illegal video players
[07:27] <hypa7ia_> bigtony, try the Bitstream Vera ones
[07:27] <bigtony> what font size ?
[07:27] <bigtony> and thanks
[07:27] <encryptio> i stick with the default monospace-thing, but just experiment. and remember this: the current (warty) xchat has to show a new line before it changes the font
[07:27] <Rene_S> They work for me
[07:27] <Rene_S> I use 11 or 12
[07:27] <encryptio> 9.. here
[07:28] <Rotund> RobLinux: It sounds like mplayer-custom includes the w32codecs... dunno if this is true
[07:28] <stuNNed> bigtony, MonoSpace 14 here
[07:28] <Rene_S> at 9 my eyes would jsut go retarded
[07:28] <bigtony> yeah let me try monospace 14
[07:28] <bigtony> this isn't cuttin it
[07:28] <Chibi> 8. :/
[07:28] <Chibi> I used 6pt when I was using windows. :o
[07:28] <bigtony> yeah that much better
[07:28] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: Ok that worked
[07:28] <bigtony> i can see again ;)
[07:29] <Chibi> I'm a 2 inch from monitor kinda person.
[07:29] <RobLinux> anyone here tried Yoper, Libranet, Mandrake 10.1, SLackware 10.0, Ubuntu ? and can help me compare them to see which 1 has more goods than bad, because to my conclusion each distro has its good and bad things, which would fit best for a home/personal user
[07:29] <Rotund> RobLinux: Nope.  it's not
[07:29] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, cool ill send ya my bill in the mail hehe
[07:29] <RobLinux> Thanks ROtund let me try
[07:29] <bigtony> so your that guy that makes the artwork on the head of a nail
[07:29] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: haha
[07:29] <Rene_S> I used Yoper Mandrake and this one
[07:29] <Chibi> RobLinux - Slackware probably isn't comparable as a desktop to the rest.
[07:29] <johnnybezak> well at least it changed, the numbers are wrong though
[07:29] <gen> roblinux: you'll find a biased view in here
[07:29] <gen> bad place to ask
[07:29] <Rotund> RobLinux: I definitely prefer Ubuntu to all except LibraNet (which I haven't useD)
[07:29] <Rene_S> Yoper is fast but short on packages
[07:29] <Chibi> I've used slackware since I started Linux
[07:29] <johnnybezak> because my screen has warped sideways
[07:29] <johnnybezak> haha
[07:30] <bitserf> bigtony: ProFont is a nice monospace font
[07:30] <Rene_S> Mandrake is bloated but good support
[07:30] <bitserf> bigtone: i find the .pcf version much clearer at 1600x1200 tho
[07:30] <bigtony> alright thanks will try that
[07:30] <Rene_S> this is nice but gnome based
[07:30] <RobLinux> what you mean CHibi, slackware isnt comparable?
[07:30] <johnnybezak> Mandrake is good, control center works well
[07:30] <Rene_S> not everyone likes gnome
[07:30] <bitserf> bigtony: google for "ProFont", should be the first hit
[07:30] <Rotund> RobLinux: Mandrake has really nice guis for setups.  Ubuntu and Libranet have apt-get and a huge repository (I assume libra net does)
[07:30] <Chibi> You don't want slackware unless everyone in your house is used to text-editing settings. :P
[07:30] <bigtony> alright
[07:30] <Chibi> It isn't fine tuned for desktop use.
[07:30] <RobLinux> ya
[07:30] <holycow> chibi?
[07:31] <holycow> chibi?
[07:31] <holycow> chibifont?
[07:31] <Chibi> ? o_o
[07:31] <Rotund> RobLinux: I'm personally a GNOME guy that wants bleeding edge w/o wasting time compiling everything (Gentoo)
[07:31] <holycow> not the shame chibi from efnet i guess :)
[07:31] <holycow> ehe
[07:31] <holycow> sorry
[07:31] <RobLinux> Libranet and Ubuntu should be cousins, only that Ubuntu might get more users since its free and its gonna get me
[07:31] <Chibi> On efnet I'm ChibiCng
[07:31] <holycow> ever run into chibifont?
[07:31] <Chibi> No.
[07:31] <holycow> well obviously your not the same dude
[07:31] <holycow> ehe sorry about that :)
[07:32] <Chibi> HolyCOW!
[07:32] <holycow> <-- right here
[07:32] <holycow> >_>
[07:32] <Rotund> RobLinux: biggest issue I've seen w/ Mandrake is the RPM system (have they gotten it better yet?) and the all gui editing of settings means that when the GUI messes up a setting, you have no idea how to fix it.
[07:32] <RobLinux> WEll I'm a newbie so I needed something I can change around as my knowledge increases, so right now I'm liking Ubuntu (havent done much there), but been with Libranet more and YOper its nice and whatever but nobody to ask for help there ... Mandrake/Slackware problems with isntallation
[07:32] <bitserf> bigtony: http://xeraph.org/profont.png (had to show off drop-shadows :P)
[07:33] <Rene_S> I only ever tried Minislack once and when none of my main hd was detected  i gave up
[07:33] <Chibi> Slackware's installation is EASY. >.>
[07:33] <bigtony> haha
[07:33] <bigtony> ok let me get it there
[07:33] <holycow> bitserf, running xorg i guess?
[07:33] <RobLinux> I dont like all that gui stuff especially with my slow system celeron 634mhz 256mb gui 24/7 is gonna slow it down once in a while its fine i'm using x system right now ,
[07:33] <bitserf> hell yeah :)
[07:33] <holycow> i like plain jane debian
[07:33] <GammaRay> RobLinux: "the RPM system"? I've seen nothing wrong w/ it.
[07:33] <encryptio> bitserf: how'd you get that drop shadow thing?
[07:33] <holycow> its slow but stable and steady
[07:33] <GammaRay> Rotund: "the RPM system"? I've seen nothing wrong w/ it.
[07:33] <encryptio> i want osx stuff
[07:34] <GammaRay> I meant Rotund
[07:34] <holycow> slow development time i mean!
[07:34] <holycow> doh!
[07:34] <RobLinux> slackware installation wasnt that hard but when it ended it would jus come up in a GRUB_ screen maybe I should of saved the boot to a floppy
[07:34] <Chibi> Slackware uses LILO.
[07:34] <gen> lilo blows
[07:34] <Rene_S> debian isnt the only thing with slow development time, look at MS 25 years and still no OS that works.
[07:35] <Chibi> There's nothing wrong with Lilo.
[07:35] <holycow> Rene_S, rofl :)
[07:35] <Chibi> :/
[07:35] <holycow> thats a damn good point there
[07:35] <Lathiat_> Rene_S: heh
[07:35] <bitserf> encryptio: upgrade to hoary, enable Composite and RENDER extensions in xorg.conf, restart x, and then run xcompmgr -c &
[07:35] <encryptio> hoary...
[07:35] <encryptio> no wway to do in in xf86?
[07:36] <bitserf> encryptio: xcompmgr from here: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[07:36] <Rene_S> Oh oh Uncle Billy is gonna take away my Office certification now ...
[07:36] <bitserf> encryptio: nope
[07:36] <Chibi> You will. :P
[07:36] <Rene_S> Maybe its just me but I find Hoary not that bad
[07:36] <encryptio> but.. but..
[07:36] <Lathiat_> if you want non sucky drop shadows (i.e. off the bottom edge not all around) "xcompmgr -c -l 0 -t 0 -r 5 -f" and add -C if you dont want shadows on the panel, but then maximizing windows cover the panel, its a trade-off.
[07:37] <Rene_S> mind you i dont run wierd hardware either
[07:37] <Chibi> 75% chance a dist-upgrade will screw you. :P
[07:37] <encryptio> heh
[07:37] <stuNNed> Chibi, lol
[07:37] <encryptio> i've had my knowledge to stay clear of dist-upgrade
[07:37] <gen> dist-upgrade was fine for me
[07:37] <encryptio> unless i'm only warty main
[07:38] <Rene_S> If you arent reinstalling every day your not worthy of being Leet hehe
[07:38] <encryptio> which i'm not
[07:38] <bitserf> lathiat: hmm, i guess the WM needs to know about the compmgr before panel won't be maximized over any more?
[07:38] <encryptio> i could give a crap about being "leet"
[07:38] <seek187> where is the xorg.conf at?
[07:38] <Chibi> Rene_S- It's about once a week, for me. I get in moods where I like to distrobution flop alot. :o
[07:39] <encryptio> bitserf: is there a way to, store my current setup?
[07:39] <holycow> encryptio, you may not want to be "leet" but sure you want to be "l33t"?
[07:39] <Rene_S> I was only being funny, every one has there own comfort level, I know nothing about linux and I dont mind crapping out my system
[07:39] <holycow> >_>
[07:39] <bitserf> hmm, i've still not quite figured out where to put commands for gnome to run every time i log in... :|
[07:39] <JDahl> just curious... Warty was just released, runs smoothly with a lot of new packages. What does hoary offer that you cannot live without?
[07:39] <encryptio> holycow: not even "l33t" or even "1337"
[07:39] <holycow> /etc/init.d i think bitserf ?
[07:40] <encryptio> that's startup
[07:40] <bitserf> holycow: no, thats for system services
[07:40] <Chibi> JDahl- There are times when I miss xorg. :/
[07:40] <encryptio> there are  times i want to just fuck up linux
[07:40] <Rene_S> Hoary offers me the chance to break something and then come in here and whine about it
[07:40] <encryptio> it pisses me off a lot
[07:40] <encryptio> heh
[07:40] <Lathiat_> bitserf: well really the compositing stuff should be in the window manager
[07:40] <Lathiat_> bitserf: xcompmgr is more of a demo
[07:40] <Chibi> I get angry at myself for borking things sometimes
[07:41] <encryptio> baah. it works.
[07:41] <holycow> encryptio, oh thats like ?ber1337
[07:41] <Chibi> Because I always forget to backup my /very/ tweaked wine install :/
[07:42] <encryptio> i've backed up a total of 0 times in my life
[07:42] <holycow> encryptio, look into bacul
[07:42] <holycow> bacula even
[07:42] <holycow> its fairly sophisticated, client for win, lin, osx i think
[07:42] <encryptio> whoa
[07:42] <Chibi> encrytptio - put a ~ in front of the folders you want to keep. :P
[07:42] <encryptio> cool
[07:42] <JDahl> Chibi, back when I was younger I also forgot to have /home (or /usr/local) on a separate partition, so I wouldnt lose all my stuff when I upgraded
[07:42] <RobLinux> brb folks
[07:43] <Chibi> I don't like seperate partitions.
[07:43] <encryptio> well what if i don't want to get another iso to burn?
[07:43] <gen> whats the command to change current user to root access, such as not having to use sudo all the time
[07:43] <Lathiat_> gen: sudo -s
[07:43] <JDahl> gen, you just add "nopasswd" to /etc/sudoers
[07:43] <encryptio> whoa.. scary
[07:43] <Chibi> To me, another partition only exists for a completely diffrent operating system.
[07:44] <encryptio> JDahl: you're a  windows convert, rihgt?
[07:44] <Chibi> I deal with too many large files.
[07:44] <encryptio> like dvds
[07:44] <JDahl> encryptio, what gave me away?
[07:44] <encryptio> ?
[07:44] <seek187> Why don't I have a xorg.conf file?
[07:44] <encryptio> JDahl: you're amazing concern for security.
[07:44] <Chibi> Yeah. I keep backups of all of my discs :/
[07:44] <holycow> bitserf, ohhhh okay thanks for the tip, i didn't know that
[07:44] <gen> encry: it's your
[07:44] <gen> :)
[07:45] <Chibi> My box is a shuttle, and I don't like to carry extra crap around with me.
[07:45] <JDahl> encryptio, adding nopasswd to sudoers doesnt disable it for all users, just for me...
[07:45] <encryptio> i know... but still
[07:45] <encryptio> root access needs to be at least password protected, no matter what (in my mind)
[07:46] <hypa7ia_> encryptio: not enabled != no password
[07:47] <encryptio> eh?
[07:47] <encryptio> i'm thinking nopasswd means "don't ask for a password"
[07:47] <holycow> chibi i agree with you, i don't see the need for separate partitions either, unless its a large serve with many users
[07:48] <hypa7ia_> the way ubuntu is setup, where you need to enable the root account....
[07:48] <holycow> otherwise a simple backup of home dir saves the hassle of getting yoru partition 'guess' wrong, cuz i can never guess right how much os space i really need
[07:48] <Chibi> root account seriously isn't /needed/
[07:48] <holycow> i beg to differ there :)
[07:48] <holycow> ehe
[07:48] <JDahl> encryptio, did you change ubuntu to ask for password every time you use it?
[07:48] <JDahl> sudo, I mean
[07:48] <Chibi> You can just have a sudo terminal open. :o
[07:49] <holycow> i consider root as a failsafe
[07:49] <encryptio> JDahl: only if sudo hasn't been used in the last minute
[07:49] <holycow> of course one ought to rename root to something else as the uid of 0 or whatever will retain root priviledges still
[07:49] <encryptio> successfully, at least
[07:49] <Chibi> Can't you extend sudo's life?
[07:49] <encryptio> or shorten it
[07:49] <encryptio> either way
[07:49] <encryptio> yes
[07:50] <nab_> hello again
[07:51] <stuNNed> JDahl, you can `sudo -s` to stay in a root shell as long as you like.
[07:52] <nab_> i wanna access some shared folders on a windows(xp) pc, but ubuntu tells me i dont have the rights to do so. but why doesnt ask it for the password+username??
[07:52] <JDahl> encryptio, how about using ssh with pgp to avoid typing password when connecting to a different machine... that's a bad windows habit also?
[07:52] <stuNNed> nab_, i get the same error with smbclient and gnome-vfs_whatever :\
[07:52] <nab_> :(
[07:52] <encryptio> JDahl: if it's root, yeah
[07:53] <stuNNed> shared keys for normal user works with ssh
[07:53] <nab_> i also tried smb://myname:mypass@192.168.xx.xx/ but that doesnt work either
[07:53] <stuNNed> like irc, imho never ssh as root
[07:53] <JDahl> I wasnt talking about root
[07:54] <JDahl> but anyway, I agree security matters - Im just lazy
[07:56] <NetSurfAU> bob2: (Sorry for long delay - had unexpected visitors) The documentation on the CD (burned from ISO) mentions something about using some floppy images from the Debian download site(s).  I searched through the Debian "floppy image" directories, but couldn't work out which was the one that would alow me to get Ubu to load from my PCMCIA CD-ROM drive.
[07:56] <DeepSeaAnt> is hoary using X.ORG yet?
[07:57] <crimsun> yes, as of two days ago
[07:57] <DeepSeaAnt> nice
[07:57] <Rene_S> yes, yes it is
[07:57] <stuNNed> nab_, we could file a bug, what type of windows machine are you trying to connect to?
[07:57] <DeepSeaAnt> ill need to update it
[07:57] <DeepSeaAnt> hmm
[07:58] <nab_> windowsxp
[07:58] <nab_> i heard it should wokr with the linneighborhood program
[07:58] <nab_> im installing it right now
[07:59] <hypa7ia_> hey, anyone using gnupg?
[07:59] <crimsun> hypa7ia_: yes.
[07:59] <hypa7ia_> is there a gui for it anywhere?  last time i set it up a friend walked me through it, and i'm kinda lost :-/
[08:01] <hypa7ia_> gnupg
[08:01] <hypa7ia_> oops
[08:10] <nab_> yeah it does work with linneighborhood
[08:10] <stuNNed> nab_, did you install samba or just smbmount and samba-common?
[08:12] <nab_> i selected linneigborhood from the synaptic install list, one click thats all :))
[08:12] <stuNNed> nab_, with linneighborhood selecting smbfs, ah ok than :)
[08:13] <muyloko> did anyone recieve the cd?
[08:13] <stuNNed> nab_, did you 'Enable Windows Networking' in network-admin?
[08:13] <|trey|> Would the fact that Applications > System Tools > Shares doesn't run with sudo be classified as a bug?
[08:13] <|trey|> (This is hoary...)
[08:14] <muyloko> will wireless work with ubuntu?
[08:14] <nab_> i didnt enable anything hehe
[08:14] <|trey|> muyloko: more then likely, yes
[08:14] <hypa7ia_> muyloko: the first print run was just shipped
[08:14] <hypa7ia_> muyloko: it's working for me :-)
[08:14] <encryptio> how do i perrmanently kill the x server? like to kill and not come back?
[08:14] <|trey|> Anyone know about the "Shares" tool? (share-admin)?
[08:14] <muyloko> cool
[08:15] <gen> what about it trey
[08:15] <muyloko> mandrake sucks in wireless
[08:15] <|trey|> encryptio: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:15] <|trey|> gen: doesn't run with sudo, would this be a bug?
[08:15] <|trey|> muyloko: cool, this isn't mandrake...
[08:15] <gen> did you do sudo shares-admin
[08:15] <|trey|> gen: I had to change the command to that to use the tool yes...
[08:15] <JDahl> encryptio, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop, even ;)
[08:15] <|trey|> gen: by default it doesn't issue sudo though...
[08:16] <seek187> Where do I get xcompmgr at?
[08:16] <crimsun> hypa7ia_: usually a program will call gnupg as necessary, like mutt does when you configure it thusly
[08:16] <gen> yes, it's a bug
[08:16] <|trey|> JDahl: bah, I always forget to add that part  ;)
[08:16] <gen> doesnt in the menu
[08:16] <muyloko> other question: when i set a new partition in ubuntu installation, will delete the current information stored in the other partitions
[08:16] <crimsun> 01:36 < bitserf> encryptio: xcompmgr from here: deb
[08:16] <crimsun>           http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[08:16] <|trey|> gen: its already reported?
[08:16] <seek187> thanks
[08:16] <gen> not sure trey
[08:16] <gen> needs to be
[08:16] <gen> its in warty and hoary
[08:17] <Ruffian|JANE|> Whory Hedgehog =)
[08:20] <seek187> crimsun, can I put that in my sources.list or will it work?
[08:25] <seek187> n/m
[08:36] <volvoguy> hi everybody
[08:37] <pepsi> hi
[08:40] <volvoguy> hey, there were a few people recommending SWAT for configuring Samba the other day. in the warty, the SWAT package says that it depends on an older version of Samba and therefore won't install. Matt Z. said the package could be updated if somebody changes the dependencies (as it's in universe). this is my official plea if there's anyone here that knows how to do that. :-)
[08:41] <matson> hello
[08:42] <volvoguy> hi matson
[08:42] <matson> i have broblem with ntpd..
[08:43] <matson> can i get somehelp with it?
[08:43] <volvoguy> i don't think i can help with that one matson.
[08:43] <matson> ok..
[08:47] <nab_> nuja, adios
[08:49] <JDahl> matson, just ask your question... otherwise how do we know if we can help?
[08:52] <seek187> After enabling xcompmgr -c in xorg now all the windows go over my gnome panels... Is there any way to stop that?
[08:52] <oddabe19> killall gnome-panel
[08:53] <Lathiat> seek187: yes, dont use xcompmgr
[08:53] <Lathiat> you have to restart X to make it go away as well
[08:53] <oddabe19> Lathiat, no you don't
[08:53] <Lathiat> yes you do
[08:53] <matson> i made this: apt-get install ntp -> ok then i tried to start ntpd but it dosent work
[08:53] <seek187> Ahhh the killall thing worked :)
[08:54] <Lathiat> oh restarting gnomepanel
[08:54] <Lathiat> yeh guess that would work
[08:54] <oddabe19> like i said... you don't HAVE to
[08:54] <oddabe19> :-P
[08:54] <seek187> Nice now how do I get it to start up before the gnome panels load?
[08:54] <oddabe19> seek187, go into sessions and add program
[08:55] <seek187> in the startup?
[08:55] <oddabe19> no
[08:55] <alakdan> tried installing enligthenment, how do I put it on gdm sessions choice?
[08:55] <oddabe19> Computer => Desktop Preferences => sessions
[08:55] <jdub> no, that's not it
[08:55] <seek187> ohh and ad a session?
[08:55] <oddabe19> seek187, no, goto startup programs
[08:56] <seek187> lol
[08:56] <seek187> k
[08:56] <oddabe19> add xcompmgr -c and set the number to like 40
[08:56] <oddabe19> but composite and xcompmgr are extremely shady and buggy right now
[08:56] <JDahl> matson, do you get any error messsages when you start ntpd? (and are you running Warty?)
[08:56] <seek187> ok
[08:56] <matson> bash: ntpd: command not found
[08:56] <seek187> well if it gets to bad I will take it off
[08:57] <seek187> pretty neat tho
[08:57] <JDahl> matson: I think you need to install ntpserver also... (you probably used apt-get and didnt install recommended packages, right?)
[08:58] <matson> yes warty...what is the name of that package?
[08:59] <alakdan> where does gdm look for available window managers ?
[08:59] <Heisenberg> evening: could I get a helping hand regarding the network setup?
[08:59] <nevyn> alakdan: umm it's probably managed by alternatives... why?
[09:00] <alakdan> nevyn: I installed enlightenment and its not showing on gdm sessions
[09:00] <matson> JDahl, i did not find ntpd or similar package...
[09:00] <JDahl> matson, I dont think you're supposed to run ntpd yourself... try "sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart"
[09:01] <JDahl> matson, I was probably wrong - but I remember installing ntp + ntpserver on debian
[09:01] <oddabe19> alakdan, go into .xsession and add 'exec enlightenment'
[09:02] <JDahl> matson, then do "ps -ef | grep ntpd" to see if it is running
[09:03] <Heisenberg> my machine starts up DHCP and automatically gets a IP number assigned. Unfortunately it also gets a DNS server IP assigned that equals the gateway. Now, I have changed /etc/resolv.conf a couple of times, but Ubuntu always boots up using the wrong DNS number. Any ideas??
[09:03] <Treenaks> Heisenberg: two options: fix the DHCP server, or edit /etc/dhclient.conf
[09:03] <matson> JDahl, this:
[09:04] <matson> oops..root@ubuntu:/home/mika # ps -ef | grep ntpd
[09:04] <matson> root     23380 17071  0 10:03 pts/4    00:00:00 grep ntpd
[09:04] <alakdan> oddabe19: enlightenment is already there. does it mean on gdm sessions it will be listed?
[09:04] <Heisenberg> what does dhclient.conf do?
[09:04] <oddabe19> yes
[09:05] <oddabe19> alakdan, just log out
[09:05] <alakdan> ok, ill try that.
[09:06] <JDahl> matson, then I am out of ideas - you installed ntp and ntpdate?
[09:07] <oddabe19> matson, try this sudo ntpdate subitaneous.cpsc.ucalgary.ca
[09:07] <matson> JDahl, yes..i hawe done this many times in mdk and debian...
[09:07] <oddabe19> and see if it works
[09:08] <matson> JDahl, does it work in your computer?
[09:08] <matson> with ubuntu
[09:09] <JDahl> matson, yes, from the basic installation
[09:09] <oddabe19> alakdan, did that work
[09:09] <oddabe19> ?
[09:10] <alakdan> oddabe19: nope, enlightenment is not listed on the sessions , only xfce and the default Gnome
[09:10] <matson> JDahl, strange...ok thanks...i have to take maybe base-config again..
[09:10] <oddabe19> hmmm.... beats the hell outa me then... if you added exec enlightenment to .xsession it should be there
[09:28] <Taurendil> I love ubuntu, it has converted me from W!nD@w$, but my bootup is taking forever
[09:28] <Taurendil> it catches on the network interfaces and on the hotplug and each takes about a minute or more
[09:29] <Taurendil> anyone have any thoughts?
[09:30] <hypa7ia_> that sucks, Taurendil.  i'm having a few issues with hotplug too... maybe ask on the mailing list?
[09:31] <Taurendil> I may have to try that
[09:31] <mercurus> gretings all
[09:31] <Taurendil> hello
[09:31] <Taurendil> do you know much about slow boot times mercurus?
[09:31] <b_e_n_z> Taurendil, what is your cpu
[09:31] <Taurendil> I have issues iwth hotplug and network
[09:32] <Taurendil> 1.8 GHz P4 notebook
[09:32] <b_e_n_z> Taurendil, hyperthreading capable?
[09:32] <Taurendil> no
[09:32] <b_e_n_z> Taurendil, are you using the stock kernel?
[09:32] <Taurendil> about 2 years old
[09:32] <Taurendil> whatever comes in the automatic install
[09:33] <b_e_n_z> Taurendil, ok
[09:33] <punkass> have you got wireless set to auto..so it tries to find a dhcp server to connect to?
[09:33] <b_e_n_z> Taurendil, just want to say that if you want hyperthreading/smp, you need to download the smp kernel
[09:33] <punkass> that will hang the networking thing..till it times out the search
[09:34] <Taurendil> it's set to use my specific SiteID I believe
[09:34] <Taurendil> how should I check that?
[09:35] <punkass> open a terminal and do: cat /etc/network/interfaces
[09:35] <punkass> and if u see: auto wlan0 or auto eth0 that means its going to look on boot up
[09:35] <Taurendil> Do I just edit out that line?
[09:36] <Taurendil> it is there
[09:36] <punkass> if you dont want it to start your network on boot up then yes you can comment that line out
[09:36] <punkass> or on boot up you can just Ctrl-C past it i believe
[09:37] <Taurendil> well, I want it to start, just not to take forever, and to use my site instead of searching
[09:37] <punkass> do u have wireless and lan on our notebook?
[09:37] <punkass> our=your
[09:37] <Taurendil> yup
[09:37] <Taurendil> and that's what I use
[09:38] <punkass> i meant wireless and wired
[09:38] <Taurendil> yes, I have both, but usually use the wireless
[09:38] <punkass> ok so comment out the eth0 so that it doesnt search for your wired network on boot up
[09:39] <punkass> just the auto eth0 line tho
[09:39] <Taurendil> Oh, I see, I was confused, eth0 is my wireless, and eth1 wired, but that makes sense, I'll take  out the eth1 auto
[09:39] <punkass> or you can use Computer > System Config > Networking
[09:39] <punkass> and just uncheck "Activate when the computer starts"
[09:40] <punkass> sometimes i forget about the gui way to do thing :)
[09:40] <Taurendil> LOL
[09:40] <Taurendil> thanks a million
[09:40] <punkass> np
[09:40] <Taurendil> I should have figured that out
[09:40] <punkass> so if you want to use wired you can just go there...and hit Activate
[09:40] <Taurendil> I'm a computer networking major, sometimes I'm a little slow
[09:41] <punkass> hehe
[09:41] <punkass> just not used to gui tools like that in linux
[09:41] <Taurendil> any clue on the hotplug delay?
[09:41] <punkass> hmm not really...can u tell what hotplug is trying to do when it hangs?
[09:42] <Taurendil> nope it gave one error on the floppy i don't have, but I put that in the blacklist
[09:42] <Taurendil> it didn't help any
[09:42] <Taurendil> it's just when it's booting
[09:42] <nab_> hi me.. again..
[09:42] <Taurendil> hello
[09:43] <punkass> maybe try and track it down in /var/log/messages?
[09:43] <Taurendil> I'll check
[09:43] <nab_> im totally confused about the kernels. i wanna update it using synaptic but im not sure what kernel i need. i have a amd_xp_2800+, is that k7 or 686?? :(
[09:43] <punkass>  cat /var/log/messages|grep hotplug gives me a few results
[09:44] <punkass> i thought ubuntu only had one kernel
[09:44] <nab_> is there a tool that tells me what version my cpu is?
[09:44] <deFrysk> nab , get linux-k7
[09:44] <nab_> Roger that!
[09:44] <Taurendil> it is just pci_hotplug and cpci_hotplug
[09:44] <deFrysk> sudo apt-get install linux-k7
[09:45] <nab_> i hope thats giving me a bit improvement over the default 386 build ;))
[09:45] <punkass> yeah thats all i have too
[09:45] <deFrysk> nab_, hardly , but some
[09:45] <Taurendil> is yours slow at boot there?
[09:46] <nab_> mine? no
[09:46] <deFrysk> nab_, its the thought that counts ;)
[09:46] <nab_> hehe
[09:46] <punkass> no that i noticed
[09:46] <punkass> no=not
[09:46] <Taurendil> hmm... are those just used for hotplugging, or do some devices rely on them?
[09:46] <Taurendil> and does the usb rely on them
[09:46] <nab_> but anyway, is there a tool or something that exactly tells me the cpus name/title/etc ?
[09:46] <deFrysk> Kernel: Linux 2.6.8.1-3-k7 | Distro: Debian/GNU 3.1 | CPU: AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2200+ @ 1801 Mhz | Mem usage: 139.9/250.8 MB (56%) | Swap usage: 0.3/478.4 MB (0%) | Disk usage(ST340016A): 21.7/31.7 GB (68%) | Uptime: 1 hr 30 mins 22 secs
[09:46] <deFrysk> like so ?
[09:47] <spacey`ki> Hostname: ki - OS: Linux 2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic/x86_64 - CPU: AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3000+ (797.949 MHz) - Processes: 133 - Uptime: 1d 19h 55m - Load Average: 0.00 - Memory Usage: 378.53MB/496.12MB (76.30%) - Disk Usage: 31.86GB/44.90GB (70.96%)
[09:47] <spacey`ki> :p
[09:47] <deFrysk> :D
[09:47] <nab_> because i found this one on ubuntu forum: sudo apt-get install linux-686 for newer Intel/AthlonXP
[09:47] <punkass> Taurendil: to be honest i am not really sure..havent looked much into hotplug
[09:48] <deFrysk> nab_, xp processors use k-7
[09:48] <spacey`ki> but they also run 686
[09:48] <punkass> deFrysk: what was that command?
[09:48] <deFrysk>  /sinfo
[09:48] <Taurendil> thank you for your help, the network edit will cut my boot time in half
[09:48] <spacey`ki>  /sysinfo ;)
[09:48] <punkass> no prob
[09:48] <nab_> but 686 isnt much better than k7, right? just wanna be sure hehe
[09:48] <punkass> deFrysk: thanks
[09:48] <spacey`ki> nab_, if you have athlon take k7
[09:49] <nab_> okay then, thanks!
[09:49] <deFrysk> not sysinfo
[09:49] <punkass> ok where is sinfo
[09:49] <spacey`ki> doesn't seem to matter much
[09:49] <spacey`ki> i just got mine from scripts page of xchat.org
[09:50] <deFrysk> http://www.xs4all.nl/~masterpe/Perl/sinfo.pl
[09:50] <punkass> ah thanks..thought it was a system command
[09:50] <deFrysk> X.org: 6.8.0 | Monitor: C1770NSL/NST | Videocard: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro]  | Res: 1280x1024, 16-bits | X-chat: 2.4.0
[09:50] <deFrysk> nice eh ?
[09:50] <deFrysk> ;p
[09:50] <Treenaks> deFrysk: only 16-bit ?
[09:51] <nab_> alrighty, im getting the kernel update and will be right back, cya!
[09:51] <b_e_n_z> tnt2??? still working???
[09:51] <deFrysk> Treenaks, plenty fot my old card ;0
[09:51] <punkass> Kernel: Linux 2.6.8.1-2-386 | Distro: Debian/GNU 3.1 | CPU: AMD Athlon(tm)  @ 1666 Mhz | Mem usage: 242.3/504.5 MB (48%) | Swap usage: 2.7/488.2 MB (1%) | Disk usage(Maxtor 6E040L0): 5.2/37.2 GB (14%) | Uptime: 1 day 5 hrs 31 mins 50 secs
[09:52] <deFrysk> ok nuff flooding 4 2day :D
[09:54] <punkass> how did u do the video stuff?
[09:55] <bluewheel> punkass, what video stuff ?
[09:56] <punkass> deFrysk: just showed some video specs with the sinfo.pl script
[09:56] <thrift> Does anyone here have a hpt374 controller working under ubuntu?
[09:58] <punkass> ah got it
[10:01] <punkass> X.org: 6.8.0 | Monitor: BenQ FP731 | Videocard: nVidia Corporation NV35 [GeForce FX 5900XT]  | Res: 2304x1024, 24-bits |
[10:01] <punkass> :)
[10:02] <Treenaks> 2304x1024 ???
[10:02] <punkass> dual monitors...and 17"lcd and 17"crt
[10:02] <punkass> one is 1280x1024 other is 1024x768
[10:02] <sid77> omg, the weirdest thing I've ever seen
[10:03] <Treenaks> sid77: ?
[10:03] <sid77> dual monitor 17"
[10:03] <sid77> incredible! :)
[10:03] <punkass> lol..well i got a new 17"lcd so i figured why let this other monitor sit around
[10:04] <b_e_n_z> punkass, twinview?
[10:04] <punkass> yeah ive been eyein up some wide screen laptops...they are ppretty nice
[10:04] <punkass> yup
[10:04] <sid77> lol, the funniest thing is also combining an lcd and a crt
[10:04] <punkass> yeah the lcd makes my crt look like ass
[10:04] <sid77> ahahhahaha
[10:05] <punkass> but it will soon go and be replaced with a new lcd
[10:05] <punkass> hopefully sooner than later
[10:05] <Elwood> i used two monitor...not so funny :)
[10:05] <punkass> i could never go back to one
[10:06] <pepsi> but a crt has builtin theft prevention
[10:06] <Elwood> mmmh i need an i -book
[10:06] <punkass> why..cuz of there tank like weight
[10:06] <pepsi> yes
[10:06] <punkass> hehe
[10:06] <punkass> we have some huge 19's at work..man they are big
[10:06] <pepsi> 19" lcds?
[10:06] <pepsi> er wait
[10:07] <pepsi> 19'?
[10:07] <sid77> hope they won't be 19" crt
[10:07] <punkass> well those to..but 19" crts...weight a ton
[10:07] <sid77> aaargh
[10:07] <calc> i have a 21" crt that thing is pretty deep
[10:07] <pepsi> how much would an lcd that gives me 1600x1200 cost?
[10:07] <calc> pepsi: samsung 213T can be found for ~ $900 USD
[10:08] <pepsi> heh
[10:08] <calc> its pretty good and does 1600x1200
[10:08] <ttikk> i am trying to install os x
[10:08] <ttikk> it freezes
[10:08] <pepsi> hrm
[10:08] <calc> if i had a job i would have already bought one
[10:08] <ttikk> do i need to clear up the linux partitions first ?
[10:08] <bluewheel> ttikk ? what version of OSX ?
[10:08] <pepsi> id like to go past 1600x1200 too.. sigh
[10:08] <ttikk> 10.3
[10:08] <bluewheel> yea 10.2.8 has issues with linux partitions
[10:08] <ttikk> panther
[10:08] <sid77> ttikk, no you shouldn't
[10:08] <pepsi> every time i get a bigger monitor, i get used to the higher resolution and then want more
[10:08] <bluewheel> you need to make partitions under OSX
[10:08] <calc> pepsi: above 1600x1200 is expensive
[10:08] <pepsi> blah
[10:08] <calc> pepsi: see apple 30" lcd for example ;)
[10:09] <pepsi> yeah
[10:09] <pepsi> screw that
[10:09] <ttikk> my entire disk is ubuntu right now. i want to replace it with os x
[10:09] <bluewheel> then split it when you install ubuntu
[10:09] <calc> or the 1920x1200 lcds for ~ $2000
[10:09] <ttikk> disk freeses on bot
[10:09] <ttikk> what is the tool for managing partitions ?
[10:09] <bluewheel> parted
[10:09] <ttikk> thnx
[10:09] <bluewheel> np
[10:09] <pepsi> 1920x1200 could be okay
[10:09] <ttikk> where is it located ?
[10:09] <sid77> err... isn't it mac-cfdisk?
[10:09] <pepsi> i could see 2 facing pages on a pdf
[10:10] <calc> pepsi: but you could buy two 1600x1200 lcds for cheaper than one 1920x1200
[10:10] <pepsi> but then you have 2 lcds
[10:10] <bluewheel> yea mac-fdisk
[10:10] <punkass> 23" Wide W UXGA 1920x1200
[10:10] <punkass> benq
[10:11] <calc> pepsi: and a lot more screen space :)
[10:11] <ttikk> where is mac-fdisk located ?
[10:11] <calc> two 1600x1200 is roughly 65% bigger than a more expensive single 1920x1200
[10:11] <pepsi> i want 2024x1536
[10:11] <pepsi> :)
[10:12] <punkass> whoa that benq is 2266 canadian
[10:12] <calc> pepsi: why not just a 9MP display ;)
[10:12] <pepsi> where can i get one?
[10:12] <ttikk> is mac-cfdisk decompressed on the cd
[10:12] <calc> ibm and viewsonic make them, probably other companies too
[10:12] <pepsi> er i meant 2048x1536
[10:13] <pepsi> thats 3MP
[10:13] <sid77> ttikk, what do you have on your disk?
[10:13] <pepsi> crap
[10:13] <sid77> ttikk, only linux? many partitions?
[10:13] <ttikk> on the ramdisk for the cd
[10:13] <ttikk> only linux
[10:13] <ttikk> i am trying to remove all linux partitions
[10:13] <calc> IBM T221
[10:13] <pepsi> my 19" crt will have to do for a couple more years :(
[10:13] <sid77> ttikk, and how is the partition table setted up?
[10:13] <calc> only around $8000
[10:13] <pepsi> hrm
[10:13] <sid77> set up
[10:13] <pepsi> lemme check my wallet
[10:13] <ttikk> via the default ubuntu installer
[10:13] <spacey`ki> i want dual 19" TFT setup :P
[10:14] <sid77> ok
[10:14] <ttikk> entire disk
[10:14] <sid77> ok
[10:14] <pepsi> hrm
[10:14] <pepsi> all i have are receipts showing that i USED to have money
[10:14] <ttikk> sid77, any advice ?
[10:14] <sid77> ttikk, I was answering the phone
[10:14] <sid77> sorry
[10:15] <ttikk> np
[10:15] <punkass> anyone havin problems when a window is maximized it covers the gnome-panels?
[10:15] <calc> pepsi: plus it requires a special video card since no desktop cards can drive anything near that big
[10:15] <sid77> ttikk, so do you want dual boot: os x a nd linux?
[10:15] <punkass> im using hoary.
[10:15] <ttikk> nah
[10:15] <pepsi> calc, same with the large apple display
[10:15] <seek187> punkass,  I did
[10:15] <ttikk> i just want to reinstall mac os x on the entire disk
[10:15] <ttikk> but it freezes when the CD loads
[10:15] <punkass> seek187: did u get it fixed?
[10:15] <calc> pepsi: yep, but the apple display is only about half the ibm resolution, heh ;)
[10:15] <calc> and ibm's is only ~ 20"
[10:15] <ttikk> so i was thinking i should remove all linux partitions
[10:16] <stuNNed> ttikk, think you can boot from apple install cd and run mac fdisk or something
[10:16] <pepsi> 9MP in 20"?!
[10:16] <ttikk> apple install cd stalls on boot
[10:16] <calc> ah 22" 9.2MP
[10:16] <pepsi> how is that useful at all?
[10:16] <pepsi> hrm
[10:16] <calc> pepsi: very detailed spy maps
[10:16] <sid77> uhmmm
[10:16] <seek187> punkass, yes just killall gnome-panel
[10:16] <sid77> ttikk, at which stage it freeze?
[10:16] <pepsi> can you even see 1 pixel?
[10:16] <seek187> it fixed mine
[10:16] <pepsi> its pretty hard to see a single pixel right now
[10:16] <ttikk> when the apple logo is on the screen
[10:16] <ttikk> the graphic gets slightly fucked up
[10:17] <ttikk> and it freezes
[10:17] <seek187> mine did it because of xcompmgr
[10:17] <Treenaks> xcompmgr makes everything _slow_
[10:18] <punkass> ah yes i think mine to...thanks
[10:18] <daniels> Treenaks: surprise surprise
[10:18] <punkass> but not as slow as i was expecting
[10:18] <Treenaks> daniels: oh I was prepared for slowness
[10:18] <bluewheel> ttikk, what model are you installing onto ?
[10:18] <ttikk> latest one
[10:18] <ttikk> 1.33ghz
[10:18] <seek187> punkass, do you have xcompmgr in Sessions?
[10:18] <ttikk> 12"
[10:18] <Treenaks> daniels: but I didn't think it would be as extreme as it is..
[10:18] <ttikk> powerbook
[10:18] <calc> pepsi: its 3840x2400 iirc four times the size of a 1920x1200 in a single 22" screen
[10:18] <punkass> no..i just havent logged out since i ran it
[10:18] <ttikk> i am not using my original disks though. i borrowed some disks from a friend
[10:18] <seek187> ah ok
[10:19] <calc> so no you probably can't see a single pixel without a magnifying glass
[10:19] <ttikk> seek187, any ideas ?
[10:19] <bluewheel> ttikk, what is the partition map on the machine at the moment ?
[10:19] <pepsi> thats pretty crazy
[10:19] <pepsi> buy me one, calc :)
[10:19] <seek187> ok it won't run again tho
[10:19] <bluewheel> does it have the origional apple ones ?
[10:19] <ttikk> bluewheel, how do i find out?
[10:19] <sid77> ttikk, open a terminal and run "sudo mac-fdisk -r -l"
[10:19] <ttikk> no, it has ubuntu entire disk partition
[10:19] <punkass> thanks seek187 worked like a charm
[10:19] <ttikk> sid77, i am booted from the ubuntu cd
[10:20] <seek187> ttikk, that's over my head :P
[10:20] <seek187> punkass, n/p
[10:20] <ttikk> i can't find mac-fdisk
[10:20] <bluewheel> sudo parted /dev/hda
[10:20] <bluewheel> then press p[return] 
[10:20] <ttikk> sudo not found
[10:20] <ttikk> i am on the ubuntu boot cd
[10:20] <sid77> woah
[10:20] <ttikk> not on the installed version
[10:20] <sid77> try with parted only
[10:20] <bluewheel> oh your on the cd, sorry
[10:20] <ttikk> parted not found
[10:21] <ttikk> bluewheel, is parted on the cd ?
[10:21] <bluewheel> i don't know, only used it once
[10:21] <ttikk> can't seem to find it
[10:21] <sid77> which partitioning tool is on the cd?
[10:21] <ttikk> my disk might still be bootable
[10:21] <ttikk> let me try
[10:21] <punkass> daniels: is there a reason that only part of transset is available?
[10:22] <ttikk> my disk is not bootable
[10:22] <ttikk> how do i restore the partitions using the cd ?
[10:22] <sid77> can you run fdisk?
[10:22] <ttikk> i can't imagine why mac os x installer would die when encountering linux partitions
[10:22] <sid77> well, it shouldn't
[10:23] <bluewheel> ttikk, i had a simmilar problem a while back
[10:23] <sid77> afaik it should just ignore them and boot off the cd
[10:23] <bluewheel> think i used the OS 9 cd, or a 10.2 installer
[10:23] <ttikk> i am encountering the prob with 10.3 installer
[10:24] <sid77> have you any 10.2 cds as bluewheel suggested?
[10:24] <bluewheel> yea it was 10.3 that didn't work for me, but 10.2 did
[10:24] <ttikk> oh
[10:24] <ttikk> no, i dont
[10:24] <ttikk> can i exit the installer into a shell
[10:24] <ttikk> once parted has been loaded from pacakge
[10:25] <bluewheel> do you know anyone else with a powerbok or new ibook ? you could do a dd (pretty hacky, but worth a try if nothing else works)
[10:25] <ttikk> the installer wont let me continue with no partitions on the disk
[10:26] <sid77> wait, which installer?
[10:26] <sid77> os x or ubuntu?
[10:26] <daniels> Treenaks: you hit by far the slowest path through the acceleration architecture
[10:26] <ttikk> ubuntu
[10:26] <sid77> (I'm getting a bit lost)
[10:26] <sid77> ok
[10:26] <ttikk> why can't i run parted from the ubuntu cd
[10:26] <daniels> punkass: yes -- it was late, I was in the middle of getting kicked out of an internet cafe because they wee closing, and I was tired
[10:26] <sid77> from the installer can you choose "manually partitioning your disk"
[10:26] <sid77> ?
[10:27] <punkass> hehe..ah ok..no worries
[10:27] <seek187> lol
[10:28] <ttikk> sid77, that's what i did
[10:28] <seek187> how do you use transset?
[10:28] <ttikk> sid77, but it won't let me proceed with an empty disk
[10:28] <punkass> not sure yet
[10:28] <sid77> but can you save the partition table and reboot?
[10:28] <sid77> or it simply do not let you do it?
[10:29] <ttikk> i don't think it saves the partition table
[10:29] <ttikk> seems not to
[10:29] <sid77> what does it say?
[10:29] <ttikk> can i exit the installer
[10:29] <ttikk> or get a term somehow
[10:30] <ttikk> it say "no root filesystem is defined. please correct this from the partitioning menu:
[10:30] <ttikk> continue or go back
[10:30] <sid77> uh
[10:30] <ttikk> both take me to the same plce
[10:30] <ttikk> i got a shell
[10:30] <ttikk> but my keyboard doesn't work now
[10:31] <ttikk> oh
[10:31] <ttikk> numlock was on
[10:31] <ttikk> lol
[10:31] <sid77> -.-
[10:31] <sid77> lol
[10:31] <ttikk> so
[10:31] <ttikk> now i have parted
[10:31] <sid77> lol
[10:32] <ttikk> mac-fdisk -r -l should do the trick ?
[10:32] <sid77> that should print the partition table
[10:32] <ttikk> returns nothing
[10:32] <sid77> do it, please
[10:32] <sid77> what?!?
[10:33] <sid77> ah, yes
[10:33] <ttikk> what is the device location
[10:33] <sid77> mac-fdisk -r -l /dev/hda
[10:33] <sid77> forgot it ;D
[10:33] <ttikk> there is no dev/hda
[10:33] <sid77> dhu
[10:33] <ttikk> there are subdirectories in /dev
[10:33] <sid77> mac-fdisk -r -l /dev/disk0
[10:33] <sid77> or something similar?
[10:34] <ttikk> mac-fdisk -r -l /dev/discs/disc0/disc
[10:34] <ttikk> ok
[10:34] <sid77> yatta!
[10:34] <ttikk> i have a linux native, linux swap, partition map, and newworld bootblock
[10:34] <sid77> ok
[10:35] <ttikk> should i delete all of them ?
[10:35] <sid77> this could be a try
[10:35] <sid77> I really do not know how os x react
[10:35] <sid77> but you could try it
[10:35] <ttikk> or should i just delete the 2 linux partitions ?
[10:36] <ttikk> how do i remove partitions ?
[10:36] <sid77> try only with swap and /
[10:36] <sid77> leave partition map and bootblock
[10:37] <ttikk> oh
[10:37] <ttikk> fdisk
[10:37] <ttikk> i've used this in openbsd
[10:37] <sid77> yeah
[10:37] <sid77> afterall is just mac-... fdisk
[10:37] <sid77> !
[10:38] <sid77> when you are finished reboot os x, if it will not work delete also the bootblock
[10:38] <ttikk> so partition map and newworld bootblock are supposed to stay ?
[10:38] <sid77> yes
[10:38] <sid77> partitionmap is important
[10:38] <ttikk> os x should boot on a blank disk, right ?.
[10:38] <ttikk> oh
[10:38] <sid77> sure
[10:38] <arun--> exit
[10:38] <ttikk> what is partition map ?
[10:38] <ttikk> something i have to run
[10:39] <sid77> afaik it should describe the partitions which are present onto your disk
[10:40] <ttikk> still froze
[10:40] <ttikk> looks like i need to get rid of newworld
[10:40] <sid77> ?
[10:41] <sid77> yes, try removing bootblock
[10:44] <x0563511> can anyone help me get MPlayer going? Ive tried installing the mplayer-custom package, but the program wouldnt run (somehting about invalid instruction). I have purged the packaged, so i can start clean again...
[10:45] <sid77> ttikk, how is going?
[10:45] <ttikk> trying
[10:45] <ttikk> erased bootblock
[10:45] <ttikk> fuck
[10:45] <ttikk> now i get a circle with a line through it
[10:46] <ttikk> maybe i should erase the partition map partition too ?
[10:46] <ttikk> the CD should be able to boot onto an empty disk
[10:46] <x0563511> can anyone help me?
[10:46] <daniels> sjoerd: hm
[10:46] <daniels> sjoerd: does Option IgnoreEDID help?
[10:46] <ttikk> when i boot holding down the 'c' key
[10:46] <ttikk> it still freezes
[10:47] <ttikk> sid77, should i delete the partition map ?
[10:47] <sid77> really do not know
[10:47] <ttikk> can't hurt right
[10:47] <ttikk> what happens if your disk dies
[10:47] <ttikk> and you install a new one
[10:47] <ttikk> and want to install os x
[10:47] <|trey|> x0563511: just install mplayer-(nogui,586,k6,etc) and search for a package called "w32codecs" from www.apt-get.org, and install that...
[10:48] <sid77> have you ant other mac here?
[10:48] <ttikk> no
[10:48] <sid77> uh
[10:48] <sid77> if anything will not work
[10:48] <sid77> you could also boot the pbook with t pressed
[10:48] <ttikk> what is T ?
[10:48] <ttikk> clears the disk ?
[10:48] <|trey|> Stupid question... what package contains the Applications > System Tools > Shares in Ubuntu, I don't know what to file a bug on  (got disconnected earlier, this is a continuation..)
[10:48] <sid77> it will act as a "big" firewire disk
[10:49] <sid77> Target mode
[10:49] <x0563511> |trey|, i have w32codecs in. The only mplayer packages i have listed are: mozilla-mplayer; mplayer-custom; mplayer-doc; mplayer-fonts; xmms-xmmplayer
[10:49] <ttikk> but that requires another computer ?
[10:49] <sid77> so you can format it from another mac
[10:49] <sid77> yes
[10:49] <Treenaks> |trey|: the bug already exists (it should use sudo, not su)
[10:49] <|trey|> x0563511: hmm... you should have more  :(
[10:49] <ttikk> why would the disk need to be formatted though
[10:49] <ttikk> the installer should be able to do it
[10:49] <|trey|> Treenaks: ahh, I searched, didn't see it  :(
[10:49] <ttikk> lame..
[10:49] <x0563511> |trey|, i have the main, restricted, security, universe, and multiverse repositories up
[10:49] <Nafallo> x0563511: mplayer-custom, mplayer-fonts and mozilla-mplayer would do.
[10:50] <sid77> ttikk, last step could also be resetting the nvram
[10:50] <x0563511> ok, ill report back after install
[10:50] <Nafallo> |trey|: this is multiverse, not debian-marillat repository :-)
[10:50] <ttikk> sid: do you think ubuntu touched the nvram ?
[10:50] <sid77> sure
[10:50] <ttikk> what the fuck
[10:50] <ttikk> why ?
[10:50] <sid77> yaboot use it
[10:50] <ttikk> oh shit
[10:50] <ttikk> that must be the problem
[10:50] <ttikk> how do i restore the nvram ?
[10:51] <x0563511> Nafallo, should i add the marilllat repos? i have it, its just switched off
[10:51] <sid77> it is not ubuntu fault however
[10:51] <ttikk> ?
[10:51] <Nafallo> x0563511: naah, it's not needed :-)
[10:51] <sid77> www.apple.com
[10:51] <ttikk> huh ?
[10:51] <|trey|> Nafallo: I am aware... his packages were in Multiverse last I checked though  :/
[10:51] <sid77> under documentation
[10:51] <x0563511> Nafallo, only for w32codecs, in my case
[10:51] <sid77> search for "resetting the nvram"
[10:51] <x0563511> ok, install is complete
[10:51] <ttikk> wait, how is it not ubuntu's fault /
[10:51] <x0563511> what should i run?
[10:51] <sid77> every model has is own method
[10:51] <Nafallo> |trey|: yepp, and the mplayerpackage from him is mplayer-custom :-)
[10:52] <sid77> ttikk, because yaboot is the only boot manager avalaible for new world mac
[10:52] <|trey|> Nafallo: currently, I am seeing NO mplayer packages... only thing returned when searching for mplayer is mga-vid-source
[10:52] <Nafallo> |trey|: or mplayer-amd64 in my case ;-)
[10:52] <sid77> ttikk, every linux distro use it
[10:52] <ttikk> sid: can yaboot restore the original nvrame ?
[10:52] <Nafallo> |trey|: are you sure you have added multiverse and updated packagelists?
[10:52] <sid77> ttikk, do not think so
[10:52] <|trey|> Nafallo: umm, yeah...
[10:52] <x0563511> what do i do now? Synaptic just finished
[10:53] <sid77> ttikk, it is just a combo done with keyboard
[10:53] <Nafallo> |trey|: then you should find them :-).
[10:53] <ttikk> k
[10:53] <sid77> ttikk, search it under apple website
[10:53] <ttikk> cool
[10:53] <sid77> ttikk, I will also look for it
[10:53] <ttikk> i found it
[10:53] <Nafallo> x0563511: start it :-). It's in the Multimedia menu...
[10:53] <sid77> ttikk, you're faster :)
[10:53] <x0563511> Nafallo, nothing shows up in my menus untill i restart X
[10:53] <x0563511> for some reason
[10:54] <x0563511> can i manually refresh the list?
[10:55] <ttikk> dude
[10:55] <Nafallo> x0563511: not sure. otherwize just Run... gmplayer :-)
[10:55] <ttikk> i still get that fucking circle with a line through it
[10:55] <ttikk> how can i search to find the meaning
[10:55] <sjoerd> daniels: same problem for the second head and the primary fades to white when using that..
[10:55] <|trey|> ttikk: what are you trying to do?
[10:55] <ttikk> install mac os x
[10:55] <daniels> sjoerd: bah, crap
[10:55] <x0563511> Nafallo, "Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[10:55] <x0563511> Illegal instruction
[10:55] <x0563511> "
[10:55] <|trey|> ttikk: ok, thats offtopic, please don't continue
[10:56] <sid77> |trey|, err... is reinstalling os x after ubuntu
[10:56] <|trey|> sid77: umm, yes.
[10:56] <ttikk> ubuntu fucked something up
[10:56] <Nafallo> x0563511: weird :-/
[10:56] <ttikk> trying to restore defaults
[10:56] <|trey|> ttikk: no, you fucked something up...
[10:57] <|trey|> ttikk: #MacMorons
[10:57] <daniels> language, dude.
[10:57] <daniels> Treenaks: be polite.
[10:57] <|trey|> daniels: I repeated his words, sorry...
[10:57] <daniels> s/Treenaks/|trey|/
[10:57] <daniels> yeah, and MacMorons was overly harsh
[10:57] <x0563511> Nafallo, im looking through the conf file, anything i should look for?
[10:57] <|trey|> daniels: sorry... just bothers me that he blame software... software does nothing its not told to do...
[10:58] <sid77> come on guys be quiet
[10:58] <Nafallo> x0563511: dunno actually. I haven't got any troubles :-).
[10:58] <ttikk> i am trying to understand what the circle with line through it means
[10:58] <x0563511> :/ can you upload the "/etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf" file somewhere so i can compare it to mine?
[10:59] <Nafallo> x0563511: sure :-)
[10:59] <|trey|> ttikk: We are not here to help with Mac OS X issues... sorry...
[10:59] <sid77> ttikk, does ubuntu boot at least?
[10:59] <ttikk> |trey|, is it OS X ?
[10:59] <ttikk> or it is firmware ?
[10:59] <|trey|> ttikk: either way, its not Ubuntu...
[11:00] <x0563511> |trey|, thats kind of closed minded. You should try to help if you can
[11:00] <sid77> ttikk, does ubuntu boot at least?
[11:00] <|trey|> x0563511: I help with Ubuntu issues... this isn't one...
[11:00] <Nafallo> x0563511: http://ogre.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/mplayer.conf
[11:00] <ttikk> ubuntu doesn't boot from disk
[11:00] <ttikk> ubuntu boots from cd
[11:00] <sid77> ttikk, from CD
[11:00] <|trey|> He is asking us to support him leaving Ubuntu... this is kinda the wrong place for that...
[11:01] <ttikk> |trey|, why? i am moving it to my PC?
[11:01] <|trey|> ttikk: ...and we will be more then willing to help with any issue you might have with that process...
[11:01] <Nafallo> |trey|: you can't seem to understand that some ppl want dual-boot?
[11:01] <|trey|> ttikk: most here have NEVER ran OS X... its kinda pointless asking here...
[11:02] <|trey|> Nafallo: oh, I can, thats not what he's trying to do though...
[11:02] <ttikk> i can dual boot
[11:02] <x0563511> Nafallo, hmm, nothing different (except im 4:3, different size disk cache)
[11:02] <ttikk> how ?
[11:02] <|trey|> Nafallo: I am multi-booting 5 OS's currently...
[11:02] <Nafallo> |trey|: hmm, oki. misunderstanding here then :-).
[11:02] <ttikk> |trey|, help me dual boot
[11:02] <x0563511> Nafallo, maybe the skin is bad?
[11:02] <Nafallo> x0563511: the things I did edit in my then ;-).
[11:03] <Nafallo> x0563511: ahh! right!
[11:03] <|trey|> ttikk: not familier with yaboot, sorry... else I would  ;)
[11:03] <sid77> ttikk, for dual boot you need ubuntu and os x
[11:03] <x0563511> Nafallo, it may have not installed a default skin...
[11:03] <Nafallo> x0563511: you should be able to run mplayer from console though.
[11:03] <|trey|> ttikk: look at some yellow dog docs, they are the Apple specialists in the Linux business  :)
[11:03] <sid77> ttikk, right now we have some problems getting one of them out ;)
[11:03] <x0563511> Nafallo, same error when launching "mplayer"
[11:03] <ttikk> i understand
[11:04] <sid77> ttikk, I really do not know the symbol displayed at boot time, for now you should run with ubuntu only
[11:04] <x0563511> Nafallo, arg! last install i compiled it all myself and it worked. Of course, the files were all in the wrong places and such...
[11:04] <Lowry> hi all
[11:04] <|trey|> ttikk: seriously, most OS X folks migrate to Yellow Dog first, so thats the best place to look first for answers, they've experienced and worked around everything that can come up  :)
[11:04] <ttikk> my wifi doesnt work in ubuntu
[11:05] <Nafallo> x0563511: yea, I compiled it to :-)
[11:05] <|trey|> Nafallo: too*
[11:05] <|trey|> ;)
[11:05] <sid77> ttikk, extreme will not work under linux
[11:05] <Lowry> I hope I followed all the instructions on http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3723
[11:05] <x0563511> Nafallo, ! it means invalid _PROCESSOR_ instruction!
[11:05] <|trey|> Nafallo: you go to the store... he came too...  :)
[11:06] <Lowry> When I tested the result with grep "direct rendering"
[11:06] <|trey|> x0563511: what kind of processor you have?
[11:06] <x0563511> Nafallo, no wonder its not working right..
[11:06] <Nafallo> |trey|: hehe :-)
[11:06] <x0563511> |trey|, athlon 900mhz (i686 kernel and modules)
[11:06] <|trey|> x0563511: apt-get install mplayer-k6
[11:06] <Nafallo> i686?
[11:06] <x0563511> yep
[11:06] <x0563511> running fine
[11:06] <Nafallo> x0563511: well, k7?
[11:06] <Lowry> I got Xlib: extension "Xfree86-DRI" missing on display ":0,0"
[11:07] <|trey|> x0563511: you should be running kernel k7, mplayer has no k7 package though, so k6
[11:07] <x0563511> ive always had problems with kernels i compiled for K6/K7. usually using i686 worked fine though
[11:07] <sid77> ttikk, leave ubuntu for now and serach apple documentation for meaning of that symbol
[11:07] <ttikk> that's what i'm trying
[11:07] <Nafallo> |trey|: you're still in debian-marillat are you? ;-)
[11:07] <ttikk> i don't know what it's called
[11:07] <Lowry> 0.0".
[11:07] <ttikk> it's the circle and line around the no smoking sign
[11:07] <|trey|> Nafallo: damnit, no...
[11:08] <x0563511> is there an mplayer-i686? (or mplayer-i386 even?)
[11:08] <|trey|> x0563511: 686, yes
[11:08] <sid77> ttikk, sorry but my knowledge finish here
[11:08] <x0563511> ill try that one
[11:08] <|trey|> x0563511: mplayer-686
[11:08] <Nafallo> |trey|: oki. it might be my server that haven't got the updates then :-P
[11:08] <x0563511> should i purge mplayer-custom or just remove it?
[11:09] <|trey|> Nafallo: mplayer-686 - transitional dummy package which can be safely removed
[11:09] <|trey|> blah
[11:09] <jono> anyone interested in writing something for a book about the framebuffer?
[11:09] <x0563511> is there an apt-search?
[11:09] <x0563511> kind of thing?
[11:09] <|trey|> Nafallo: Depends: mplayer-586  ... blah
[11:10] <|trey|> x0563511: apt-cache search
[11:10] <|trey|> x0563511: apt-cache show is useful too  :)
[11:11] <x0563511> arg
[11:11] <x0563511> i think im going to have to get it from the pool manually
[11:11] <x0563511> JUST like i did swat
[11:11] <ttikk> maybe because this isn't the disc that came with my computer
[11:11] <ttikk> that could be it
[11:11] <|trey|> ttikk: I could be sooooo mean to you  :(
[11:12] <ttikk> |trey|, you were gonna kick me ?
[11:12] <x0563511> i found this in the pool:
[11:12] <x0563511> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mplayer/mplayer-686_1.0-pre5-0.6ubuntu3_i386.deb
[11:12] <|trey|> Physically, if it were possible, I would have by now... I don't have the power here though, you're lucky  ;)
[11:12] <x0563511> would this work?
[11:13] <|trey|> x0563511: would be a waste... -686 is a transitional package only, depends on -586
[11:13] <x0563511> how bout this one?
[11:13] <x0563511> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mplayer/mplayer-386_1.0-pre5-0.6ubuntu3_i386.deb
[11:13] <x0563511> theres a 586 one too
[11:14] <|trey|> Nafallo: oh, just for kicks... apt-cache show mplayer-586 and look at the maintainer   ;)
[11:14] <|trey|> x0563511: pay attention dude... get the 586 package.
[11:14] <Nafallo> I'm on amd64, and my server doesn't have multiverse in sources.list ;-)
[11:14] <x0563511> sorry, its 5:15 am here, and i havent slept yet
[11:15] <x0563511> omg
[11:15] <x0563511> mplayer586 is whining because the libs i have are newer
[11:15] <|trey|> Nafallo: from the packages in multiverse: Maintainer: Christian Marillat <marillat.christian@wanadoo.fr>
[11:16] <|trey|> x0563511: such things are the reason I run hoary  8)
[11:16] <Nafallo> |trey|: I do know that. BUT. zcat ubuntu/dists/warty/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz | grep mplayer- only finds mplayer-custom, fonts, docs.
[11:17] <x0563511> arg
[11:17] <x0563511> synaptic says theres a broken package
[11:17] <x0563511> use the "broken" filter to find it
[11:17] <Nafallo> |trey|: you SHOULD have said you do run hoary though ;-)
[11:17] <x0563511> ... how exactly do these filters work?
[11:17] <|trey|> Nafallo: uhh, why?
[11:18] <Lowry> Is xlibmesa3 a solution to my error message?
[11:18] <Nafallo> |trey|: in hoary's multiverse all packages shows up.
[11:18] <Lowry> xserver-xfree86-dri-trunk
[11:18] <|trey|> Lowry: depends, whats the error message say?
[11:18] <Nafallo> |trey|: warty's multiverse has got mplayer-custom only :-)
[11:18] <Lowry> "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"
[11:19] <Lowry> From trying http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3723
[11:19] <x0563511> er
[11:20] <x0563511> i need a library of a higher version than what synaptic has listed
[11:20] <|trey|> Lowry: ahh... can't help, not running xfree  :/
[11:20] <x0563511> can i use apt to grab a specific version?
[11:21] <Nafallo> x0563511: well. you are probably running warty and are trying to run packages from hoary ;-).
[11:21] <|trey|> x0563511: apt-get -t hoary
[11:21] <Lowry> I have hoary installed
[11:21] <x0563511> Nafallo, but im in the warty distro section?!
[11:21] <x0563511> |trey|, thats not the whole command...
[11:21] <|trey|> x0563511: gets complicated though... need to know how to pin, and yeah.. I don't wanna explain...
[11:21] <Nafallo> x0563511: nope. you're in pool.
[11:22] <Nafallo> x0563511: in pool packages you got packages for all releases :-)
[11:22] <x0563511> :/ if i go get the tarball, can you tell me what prefixes to pass to config so the files go where they should?
[11:22] <|trey|> x0563511: umm... heh... 'apt-get -t hoary install libblah1 libfoo2'  :/
[11:23] <x0563511> wait a min...
[11:23] <x0563511> ive got warty installed... but if i switch my synaptic repos to hoary, can i upgrade to it?
[11:23] <|trey|> x0563511: /j #debian-bots and type /msg dpkg pinning
[11:23] <x0563511> or will that bork stuff?
[11:24] <|trey|> x0563511: you should add hoary listings to /etc/apt/sources.list and set warty to a higher priority...
[11:24] <seek187> In mplayer when I open it it says im missing subfont.tff? and I don't have it on my system how do I find it?
[11:24] <mirak> how to enable numerical extraction of audio cd in linux ?
[11:24] <Treenaks> seek187: that's normal
[11:24] <seek187> oh
[11:24] <|trey|> mirak: use sound-juicer
[11:24] <Nafallo> well, gone now
[11:24] <x0563511> |trey|, can i do that in synaptic? im trying to avoid editing config files by hand
[11:24] <seek187> Treenaks, is there any way to make it quit saying that?
[11:25] <|trey|> x0563511: no
[11:25] <Treenaks> seek187: yes, reading the manual
[11:25] <|trey|> seek187: install mplayer-fonts
[11:25] <seek187> k
[11:25] <x0563511> |trey|, would i have a hard time understanding the file's syntax?
[11:25] <seek187> thanks
[11:25] <|trey|> x0563511: it took me about 5 secs to figure it out  :/
[11:26] <x0563511> wow that is simple
[11:26] <x0563511> so, what determines priority?
[11:26] <|trey|> x0563511: did you read the faq?
[11:26] <|trey|> factoid*
[11:26] <x0563511> all it does is yak about the universe repos
[11:27] <|trey|> eh, actually its not that clear... just the size of the number...
[11:27] <x0563511> what number?
[11:27] <|trey|> x0563511: s/sid/hoary
[11:27] <x0563511> ?
[11:28] <|trey|> and ignore what it says about testing...
[11:28] <x0563511> all im seeing are lines like this:
[11:28] <x0563511> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[11:28] <x0563511> no numbers, no helpful comments
[11:28] <|trey|> x0563511: "Package: *\nPin: release a=hoary\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n"
[11:28] <|trey|> put that in the file
[11:29] <x0563511> ok, what does that do?
[11:29] <x0563511> and are those \n newlines, or do i leave them as escape codes?
[11:29] <|trey|> x0563511: makes it pick warty packages first, but will look in hoary if the package doesn't exist in warty...
[11:30] <x0563511> usefull
[11:30] <x0563511> do i convert the \ns into CRs?
[11:30] <|trey|> x0563511: so it will use the new libs in hoary because warty equivs don't satisfy deps...
[11:31] <|trey|> x0563511: uhh... what I said will work  :/
[11:31] <jono> anyone here know about bluetooth?
[11:31] <x0563511> "Package: *\nPin: release a=hoary\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n"
[11:31] <x0563511> exactly like that?
[11:31] <polytan> bonjour
[11:32] <|trey|> x0563511: should, yeah... man apt_preferences if you want to be sure...
[11:32] <|trey|> I haven't read it in a while  :/
[11:32] <x0563511> synaptic yelled at me about package:
[11:33] <|trey|> x0563511: Package: should be for instance mplayer-686:
[11:33] <|trey|> I think you can do *, but not sure  :/
[11:33] <x0563511> so i cant just have hoary as part of the Repository list...
[11:34] <|trey|> x0563511: it won't work at all if you don't specify hoary in sources.list...
[11:34] <pepsi> whorey
[11:34] <x0563511> now im really confused. Is there something else im supposed to add?
[11:34] <|trey|> x0563511: haha, I told you it was complicated  :)
[11:35] <x0563511> ok, ive added:
[11:35] <x0563511> Package: *
[11:35] <x0563511> Pin: release a=hoary
[11:35] <x0563511> Pin-Priority: 900
[11:35] <|trey|> x0563511: just add hoary sources to your sources.list, and put that stuff into /etc/apt/preferences...
[11:35] <mirak> hi
[11:35] <|trey|> x0563511: no... package should be the package name...
[11:36] <mirak> can I use the cedega debian package on ubuntu ?
[11:37] <|trey|> x0563511: here, 'APT::Default-Release "warty"' replace the pinning thing with that... and set hoary and warty in /etc/sources.list...
[11:37] <|trey|> x0563511: ahh, actually, you were right  :o
[11:38] <x0563511> what?
 Package: *
 Pin: release a=hoary
 Pin-Priority: 900
[11:38] <x0563511> so... what exactly should i do now? from the start
[11:38] <|trey|> Those values will work...
[11:38] <x0563511> that goes in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70apt<something>?
[11:38] <mirak> can I use debian packages ?
[11:38] <|trey|> x0563511: I've said 2 different things that should do the same thing... which are you more comfortable with?
[11:38] <Echylo> heey, is there a good torrent client for ubuntu in synaptic?
[11:38] <|trey|> mirak: its not recommended
[11:38] <x0563511> neither...
[11:39] <x0563511> ive got the pinning part already in halfway though
[11:39] <|trey|> x0563511: haha... ok... ignore what I said about Default-Release, pinning will handle that...
[11:40] <|trey|> x0563511: seriously, read the man page, its written by people that wrote the features in...  :)
[11:40] <|trey|> x0563511: pinning is good to get down though, useful  :)
[11:40] <x0563511> so do i want to add the distro "hoary" from archive.ubuntulinux.org?
[11:40] <x0563511> and hoary-security from security.ubuntulinux.org?
[11:40] <x0563511> * ubuntu.com in both
[11:41] <|trey|> x0563511: yes... they will be the same as warty, only with 'hoary' instead...
[11:41] <x0563511> Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf:6: Extra junk at end of file
 * ubuntu.com in both  <-- not this though..
[11:42] <x0563511> WHERE is the pinning stuff supposed to go?
[11:42] <|trey|> x0563511: in /etc/apt/preferences
[11:42] <x0563511> nonexistant
[11:42] <Treenaks> create it then
[11:42] <|trey|> x0563511: then make it...
[11:42] <x0563511> wait a tick
[11:42] <x0563511> the pinning you gave me adds "debian" at -10 priority?
[11:43] <|trey|> Should be hoary...
[11:43] <x0563511> theres 2
[11:43] <x0563511> hoary
[11:43] <x0563511> and then a debian one
[11:43] <|trey|> Default priority = 0... this makes it less important then warty...
[11:44] <x0563511> this is what you told me to enter:
[11:44] <x0563511> Package: *
[11:44] <x0563511> Pin: release a=hoary
[11:44] <x0563511> Pin-Priority: 900
[11:44] <x0563511> Package: *
[11:44] <x0563511> Pin: release o=Debian
[11:44] <x0563511> Pin-Priority: -10
[11:45] <|trey|> x0563511: I can't find what -o means  :(
[11:45] <|trey|> x0563511: just get rid of that... hoary needs to be -10 though..
[11:45] <x0563511> so, disregard the whole second section... and set hoary's priority to -10?
[11:45] <x0563511> ok
[11:46] <|trey|> yes... if you want, you can even set the 'debian' entry to 'warty, and make it 900 though... just to make sure its seen as default  :)
[11:46] <x0563511> but what did the o=Debian mean? Hoary had an a=
[11:47] <|trey|> x0563511: I'm not entirely sure, I don't see it mentioned  :(
[11:47] <x0563511> use a=?
[11:48] <|trey|> x0563511: sure... just make sure the number is a lot higher for warty then hoary, and nothing else should really matter  :)
[11:48] <x0563511> hey! mplayer actually shows up in the list now
[11:48] <x0563511> ty
[11:48] <x0563511> and sorry for all the trouble
[11:48] <Adrenal> i installed firefox
[11:48] <|trey|> x0563511: next time you see mdz around though, you can pick his brain on the subject, he wrote apt afaik  :)
[11:48] <Adrenal> whats the apt-get command to install firefox 1.0?
[11:49] <|trey|> Adrenal: the final release hasn't gotten in yet... you can use the installer though... my instructor said it worked for him...
[11:49] <Adrenal> kk
[11:49] <Adrenal> which folder do i install it to?
[11:49] <Adrenal> like, which is ff normally installed to
[11:49] <Adrenal> don't want clutter
[11:49] <|trey|> Adrenal: doesn't matter...
[11:49] <x0563511> hrm
[11:49] <Adrenal> i know
[11:50] <Adrenal> meh, thanks
[11:50] <x0563511> if i uninstall all of the linux-686 packages, and replace them with linux-k7 packages... would that break stuff?
[11:50] <|trey|> x0563511: umm, if you take a long time to reboot, it might...
[11:51] <x0563511> |trey|, what do you mean?
[11:52] <|trey|> x0563511: right now, everything is in ram... modules, everything... if it starts to replace things there for whatever reason, and the modules are gone, it can't reload them, best case scenario your sys freezes...
[11:52] <|trey|> its just a bad thing though...
[11:52] <Treenaks> |trey|: uh.. it doesn't need to reload them, it won't freeze
[11:53] <|trey|> x0563511: so, once the 686 packages are gone, and the k7 packages are installed and configured (in grub, done automatically), just reboot
[11:53] <Treenaks> |trey|: and if it needs to reload, but the driver is gone, it'll just put an error in the log and continue
[11:53] <Treenaks> |trey|: the k7 packages put the modules in different dirs..
[11:53] <|trey|> Treenaks: I'm just saying... it even pops up a message when you try to remove the current kernel about it...
[11:53] <x0563511> so i can install the k7 packages without removing the 686 ones?
[11:53] <|trey|> x0563511: sure...
[11:54] <Treenaks> |trey|: that's also about the kernel (hotplug for example) trying to load modules that don't exist anymore..
[11:54] <x0563511> then reboot into k7, then remove the 686 (provided everything works)
[11:54] <Treenaks> |trey|: freezing is very, very unlikely
[11:54] <|trey|> x0563511: grub doesn't know about the differences in the kernels, it just does what its told  :)
[11:54] <x0563511> k, ill try that
[11:54] <|trey|> Treenaks: sure... its unlikely... but the longer you wait to reboot, the higher the chance...
[11:55] <Treenaks> |trey|: no.
[11:55] <|trey|> Treenaks: I've kept a system running without a kernel being installed for about a week just to see what happens... trust me its ugly...
[11:55] <Treenaks> |trey|: it won't crash if you remove the modules or kernel image <period>
[11:56] <Treenaks> |trey|: I've run a kernel-less system for a year.. I noticed when I had a power failure
[11:56] <x0563511> question...
[11:57] <x0563511> there are linux-image-2.6-k7, and kernel-image-2.6-k7
[11:57] <x0563511> whats the difference? the description is the same
[11:57] <|trey|> x0563511: get linux...
[11:57] <x0563511> k
[11:57] <mawa> hi
[11:57] <|trey|> x0563511: not sure why they are both there... Ubuntu appeared to change the name to linux-image though... debian's way is kernel...
[11:58] <mawa> I can't get my printer to work with Ubuntu, maybe someone of you can help me?
[11:58] <|trey|> mawa: www.LinuxPrinting.org
[11:59] <|trey|> mawa: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Printing-HOWTO/
[12:00] <x0563511> so, am i going to get anything noticable from switching from 686 to k7?
[12:00] <x0563511> and, more importantly, will programs ive compiled be incompatible?
[12:01] <|trey|> x0563511: hmm, actually... linux-image = warty, kernel-image = hoary... safer to go with linux-image though...
[12:01] <x0563511> well, the description and version tags are identical
[12:01] <mawa> |trey|: thanks. that's a lot of information, though... at first, I'd simply like to have some debugging output from gnome-cups-manager because it silently fails each time I try to add the printer
[12:01] <x0563511> but ill stick with the linux ones
[12:01] <|trey|> x0563511: you should notice your system is more smooth feeling etc... it should feel faster due to actually being for your hardware...
[12:02] <x0563511> i _have_ noticed occasional hiccups
[12:02] <x0563511> what about graphics preformance?
[12:03] <|trey|> x0563511: Hoary is currently merging with Sid, thats the reason for the name change... they will likely become kernel-image for release...
[12:03] <x0563511> wtf.
[12:03] <x0563511> Do you wish to stop now? [y/n] n
[12:03] <x0563511> OK, aborting
[12:03] <x0563511> ... does that make much sense?
[12:03] <|trey|> x0563511: hah... do it again... it sometimes argues with you  ;)
[12:04] <|trey|> x0563511: you can outsmart software  ;)
[12:04] <x0563511> there, it worked this time
[12:04] <x0563511> lol
[12:04] <mawa> when I try to install the printer by hand, I get "server-error-internal-error"
[12:04] <|trey|> x0563511: told you you could do it  8)
[12:05] <x0563511> Thats almost as bad as the classic MS "Drive out of space, try deleting some files first" when you try to delete something
[12:05] <x0563511> ok, ill be back. rebooting
[12:08] <x0563511> wow! much faster
[12:10] <jono> anyone here use distcc?
[12:12] <x0563511> wth!
[12:12] <x0563511> Package mplayer-586 has no available version, but exists in the database.
[12:13] <x0563511> aha!
[12:14] <x0563511> debian-marillat has it, along with 386, 686, k6, and k7
[12:14] <nevyn> yeah.
[12:15] <x0563511> omg
[12:15] <x0563511> mplayer-386:
[12:15] <x0563511>  Depends: libarts but it is not installable or
[12:15] <x0563511>  	libarts-alsa but it is not installable
[12:15] <x0563511>  Depends: libdirectfb8 but it is not installable
[12:15] <x0563511>  Depends: libdvdread2 but it is not installable
[12:15] <x0563511>   Depends: libfaad2-0 but 2.0.0-0.1 is to be installed
[12:15] <x0563511>  Depends: libvorbis0 but it is not installable
[12:15] <nevyn> umm libvorbis isn't installable?
[12:16] <marcdm> Hey anyone ever have a prob with Warthog installer?
[12:16] <StarScream> marcdm: more specific?
[12:16] <marcdm> I'm trying to replace a slackware system with Ubuntu but it fails when it gets to installing initrd-tools
[12:17] <Treenaks> marcdm: please check if the MD5 of the CD and image are the same as the one listed on the site
[12:17] <Treenaks> marcdm: if they don't match, that's the problem
[12:18] <alexeijh> is anyone elses mplayer-custom from multiverse not working?
[12:18] <marcdm> Treenaks: The md5 of the image is the same
[12:18] <Treenaks> marcdm: and of the CD itself?
[12:18] <StarScream> bob2: are you there?
[12:19] <marcdm> then I used Both K3b and nero to burn the CD.
[12:19] <x0563511> hmm i think apt is having a cramp, i can install the missing libs one by one fine
[12:19] <Treenaks> marcdm: (have you tryied burning at a lower speed)
[12:19] <marcdm> 2 different CDs both the same error....
[12:19] <marcdm> lower speed....
[12:19] <marcdm> hmmm. no I have tried that.
[12:23] <x0563511> HOLY messed up deps
[12:23] <x0563511> that maintainer has to be beaten with a stick
[12:23] <pepsi> my farts smell really bad
[12:24] <pepsi> im ashamed
[12:24] <Treenaks> pepsi: off-topic, use another channel
[12:24] <pepsi> kma
[12:24] <Treenaks> pepsi: or post it to grouphug.us
[12:25] <marcdm> Treenaks: I'm booting knoppix on the machine now to check the CD.  Since the other linux box on my network refuses to read the WW cd
[12:26] <Treenaks> that's strange
[12:26] <pepsi> Treenaks, off-topic, use another channel
[12:26] <pepsi> :P
[12:26] <x0563511> sigh... marillot's dependencies are way off kilter
[12:28] <marcdm> when I execute md4sum /dev/cdrom I get i/o error
[12:28] <Treenaks> marcdm: then the CD is mis-burned..
[12:28] <Treenaks> (md5sub I hope..)
[12:28] <marcdm> md5sum
[12:29] <x0563511> can i force apt-get to ignore deps?
[12:29] <Treenaks> uh yes
[12:29] <Treenaks> x0563511: no
[12:29] <Gmail> where is kernel 2.6.9??
[12:29] <x0563511> then i can just dl the deb file and use dpkg
[12:29] <Treenaks> Gmail: on ftp.kernel.org
[12:29] <Gmail> why hasn't it apeared in hoary yet?
[12:29] <Treenaks> x0563511: yes, but dpkg looks at dependancies as well
[12:29] <Treenaks> Gmail: why should it
[12:30] <Gmail> Treenaks: why shouldn't it?
[12:30] <Treenaks> Gmail: bugs..
[12:30] <x0563511> Treenaks, dpkg --force-help
[12:32] <Gmail> Treenaks: not all of us have a nvidia gfx card
[12:33] <Gmail> is kernel.org down??
[12:34] <StarScream> how can i fix broken pacakges from the command line?
[12:34] <Elwood> Gmail, it seems
 Gmail: on ftp.kernel.org <<< that much for this idea
[12:35] <StarScream> i tried apt-get kde and it depends on quanta et al, if i do apt-get quanta it says to use quanta-data becuase quanta has no installation candidate
[12:35] <StarScream> so i installed quanta-data
[12:36] <StarScream> but kde still list quanta as a dep
[12:36] <Gmail> StarScream: its apt-get INSTALL <package>
[12:36] <Gmail> StarScream: warty or hoary?
[12:36] <StarScream> Gmail: sorry it was a typo..i forgot the install... warty
[12:37] <Gmail> and kde is part of universe its not supported
[12:37] <StarScream> i have universe available
[12:37] <StarScream> in my apt sources
[12:38] <Gmail> StarScream: it was merged from debian sid and then frozen this type of stuff is common to happen in sid
[12:38] <StarScream> Gmail: k, but i was speaking to bob2 last night who said he was running it on PPC and that it worked fine
[12:38] <Gmail> StarScream: can't you use the better screem?
[12:39] <StarScream> i will for you
[12:39] <Gmail> StarScream: yes but in sid and ppc version of a package is normally behide a i386 version and in rear times ahead
[12:40] <StarScreem> sorry, too am using ppc
[12:40] <Gmail> StarScreem: or you can use hoary but we will not support you
[12:40] <StarScreem> i too rather
[12:40] <Gmail> StarScreem: hmmm
[12:41] <Gmail> StarScreem: well screem is better imho
[12:41] <StarScreem> k
[12:42] <StarScreem> should i do a re-install of the OS, or is there a way i can fix my machine
[12:42] <Gmail> StarScreem: did you install from a curruted cd?
[12:43] <Gmail> did you install from an early weekly image that had a marge bug??
[12:43] <StarScreem> Gmail: nah, dont think so, everything else works perfectly...i used the release cd
[12:43] <StarScreem> i can apt-get anything gnome related...xfce works find
[12:43] <StarScreem> fine
[12:44] <StarScreem> erm...i can't fault it in any way
[12:44] <StarScreem> aside from the kde thing
[12:45] <Gmail> hmmm even a curruted package list wound have such a probblem it woundn't work and anyway apt does a md5sum check
[12:48] <StarScreem> Gmail: i mean once i did apt-get install quanta-data it worked fine.....but then apt doesn't recognize that quanta is installed when i do apt-get install kde
[12:48] <StarScreem> it still lists it as a dep
[12:48] <Gmail> do apt-get install quanta
[12:50] <StarScreem> Package quanta has no installation candidate
[12:50] <StarScreem> However the following package replace it
[12:50] <StarScreem> quanta-data
[12:50] <StarScreem> so i apt-get install quanta-data and its already installed
[12:56] <Tiboz> hey all
[12:56] <Gmail> hey
[12:56] <Tiboz> is it easy and safe to switch to xorg ?
[12:56] <Tiboz> i am in hoary
[12:57] <Despair> safe? xorg is just a brunch now, there's nothing "safe"
[12:57] <Tiboz> if i only do apt-get install xserver-xorg it will work ?
[12:57] <sanitario> yes
[12:57] <Despair> ahh, men hoary
[12:57] <Despair> *meant
[12:58] <Tiboz> oki great
[12:58] <Tiboz> i'll try this then
[12:58] <sanitario> it will probably complain if you use UTF-8 though
[12:58] <Tiboz> i don't use it
[12:58] <Echylo> somebody knows a xmms script/xchat
[12:58] <Echylo> that displays the current song in a channel
[12:59] <Tiboz> Echylo:  http://abednarz.net/xmms-tool.html
[12:59] <Treenaks> sanitario: yeah, why's that..
[12:59] <Echylo> k I'll check it
[01:00] <Echylo> Tiboz, those links for downloading don't work
[01:01] <Gmail> Tiboz: i am using x.org right now
[01:01] <Gmail> i was since it came into the responsory there is already been 2 updates to it since then
[01:01] <Tiboz> Echylo: strange
[01:01] <Tiboz> Gmail: oki
[01:02] <Tiboz> Gmail: works fine ?
[01:02] <Tiboz> Echylo: http://rousse.pm.org/~georgi/xmms/xmms-tool.tar.gz
[01:02] <Echylo> tiboz you have that file?
[01:02] <Tiboz> this one work
[01:02] <Echylo> ok
[01:02] <Echylo> lemme see
[01:02] <Echylo> ok
[01:04] <Echylo> error compiling script
[01:04] <Echylo> :|
[01:04] <Echylo> http://www.pastebin.com/118878
[01:05] <Gmail> tim: works better than xfree86
[01:06] <huttan> Gmail, what does?
[01:08] <vincent_> Hi all! Is there a CD burner tool in ubuntu?
[01:09] <Gmail> huttan: what?
[01:10] <Gmail> sorry the message i said to tim was for tiboz
[01:10] <vincent> vincent_:  nautilus-cd-burner for files/iso and k3b or the command line for audio
[01:10] <StarScreem> anyone here managed to get kde working in warty for PPC?
[01:10] <Gmail> StarScreem: gnome is better than kde
[01:10] <huttan> kk
[01:10] <StarScreem> Gmail: each to their own
[01:10] <Gmail> with gnome they never want you to see a terminal
[01:11] <Gmail> with kde they do
[01:11] <Gmail> that makes gnome more user friendly
[01:11] <mjr> this is indeed good, but I'd feel better if they fixed the more annoying bugs in the terminal nevertheless
[01:12] <vincent> Gmail: how do you burn audio cd with gnome ?
[01:12] <StarScreem> Gmail: i dont really mind that much about user friendlyness , i'd just like my kde desktop if its possible
[01:12] <vincent_> K3B isnt coming wit ubuntu? is it?
[01:12] <vincent> vincent_ : in the universe source
[01:13] <Gmail> vincent: gnome-baker
[01:13] <Gmail> look on gnome-files.org
[01:13] <vincent> Gmail: yep but it's not a gnome app
[01:14] <Gmail> vincent: yes it is
[01:14] <vincent> Gmail: non it's a gtk app
[01:14] <Gmail> it will make it in gnome 2.10
[01:14] <mjr> " GnomeBaker requires a recent version of cdtools (cdrecord, readcd, cdda2wav and mkisofs), version 2 or greater should be okay. It also requires the libs libgnomeui-2.0 gtk+-2.0 libglade-2.0."
[01:14] <Echylo> how to install perl-xmms in ubuntu?
[01:15] <mjr> apparently it requires gnome libs at least
[01:15] <Gmail> vincent: is going to be in gnome 2.9 it you use the unstable branch too
[01:15] <vincent_> ohh ok
[01:15] <vincent> Gmail: there is discussion for inclusion of this app in gnome 2.10 ?
[01:16] <Gmail> vinceeeeeent
[01:16] <Gmail> its alpha right now
[01:17] <mjr> hmpf, apparently no dvd support
[01:17] <mjr> ah well, there's nautilus
[01:18] <Tiboz> x.org apparently works fine
[01:18] <Gmail> Tiboz: i said so
[01:18] <vincent_> what's the command line instruction for burning?
[01:18] <seek187> yup it does :)
[01:18] <Tiboz> yeah
[01:19] <Gmail> Tiboz: wy shound there be any problems?
[01:19] <Tiboz> but why is fglrx-driver conflicting with xorg packets ?
[01:19] <Gmail> vincent_: can you stick to one nick
[01:19] <Treenaks> Tiboz: because they don't work together
[01:19] <Gmail> vincent_: what do you want to burn?
[01:19] <Tiboz> oki so there's no way using fglrx with xorg
[01:20] <vincent_> my house!
[01:20] <vincent_> ;o)
[01:20] <vincent_> audio
[01:20] <vincent_> datas
[01:20] <vincent_> all things tou burn
[01:20] <vincent_> you*
[01:20] <vinic> vincent_ > vinic
[01:23] <Gmail> ROOT HAS LANDED
[01:23] <Tiboz> tssss
[01:23] <Tiboz> never do irc in root
[01:23] <Gmail> vinic: data you can already do
[01:24] <mirak> __root___: lol
[01:24] <mirak> you know what
[01:24] <mirak> in my university there is a linux administrator
[01:24] <Treenaks> __root___: do you auto-accept DDCs as well?
[01:24] <mirak> that handle the 100 computers parc
[01:24] <seek187> LoL
[01:24] <Gmail> vinic: in the next version of rhythmbox you can burn audio from it
[01:24] <Treenaks> Gmail: w00t!
[01:25] <mirak> the other day, I was in computer room, and I realised that the back ground of the admin was red
[01:25] <mirak> the admin log in kde as root
[01:25] <Gmail> Treenaks: well thats acording to footnotes
[01:25] <Treenaks> Gmail: *dance*
[01:25] <mirak> I though maybe it was exeptionnal but no
[01:25] <Gmail> mirak: its like that in gnome too
[01:25] <mirak> this moron and incompetent loser always log as root
[01:25] <dany> nickserv
[01:25] <nevyn> sigh.
[01:25] <vinic> yep, data is ok...
[01:26] <hectorlinux> hola
[01:26] <hectorlinux> hay alguien ahi???
[01:27] <Gmail> can someone answer this stupid n00bs question http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=14762&posted=1#post14762 it the one above mine
[01:27] <Treenaks> hectorlinux: you might want to go to a language-specific channel
[01:28] <Gmail> i am going crazy ubuntu atracked so many n00bs that don't know a thing and the act like they know everything in the world
[01:28] <Despair> *whine* i want a firefox 1.0 final deb :/
[01:28] <Gmail> Despair: heh rc1-4 is as good as the final
[01:29] <Despair> yeah, sure, but i want it....;) *like a child* :S
[01:29] <Gmail> Despair: mozilla.org
[01:32] <Despair> final or rc1 from hoary?
[01:33] <Gmail> its not in hoary
[01:33] <seek187> final
[01:33] <mirak> when I run the mixer in the multimedia panel I get this error : No volume control elements and/or devices found.
[01:33] <Gmail> but i only did a apt-get update an 1hr ago
[01:33] <mirak> what's the problem ?
[01:34] <Treenaks> mirak: what kind of sound card do you have
[01:36] <mirak> Treenaks: sblive 5.1
[01:37] <mirak> Treenaks: I use alsa
[01:37] <Treenaks> mirak: no TV cards ,etc. ?
[01:37] <mirak> Treenaks: yes bt878
[01:37] <Treenaks> mirak: USB audio device?
[01:37] <mirak> nope
[01:37] <Treenaks> mirak: ah, then you should probably change the order in which they're loaded
[01:37] <mirak> ok
[01:38] <mirak> in /etc/modules ?
[01:38] <Treenaks> mirak: uh, yes.. put the snd- module first, then the bt module
[01:38] <mirak> or in hotplug ?
[01:38] <mirak> Treenaks: is that normal ?
[01:38] <Treenaks> mirak: in /etc/modules
[01:38] <mirak> I mean is that a ubuntu issue or a linux issue ?
[01:39] <Treenaks> mirak: it happens...
[01:39] <Treenaks> mirak: it's just the order in which the drivers are loaded, nothing serious.. people are trying to fix the problem
[01:39] <mirak> ok
[01:39] <mirak> I also have a problem with my scanner
[01:40] <mirak> bt878 is detected as my capture device
[01:40] <mirak> it's a scsi scanner
[01:41] <mirak> Treenaks: the problem is that my sound card driver is already in /etc/modules, so I exept it to be loaded first already isn't it ?
[01:41] <ddaa> What is the recommended Python IDE on Warty?
[01:42] <Treenaks> mirak: it should be, yes
[01:42] <nevyn> vim ;)
[01:42] <johnnybezak> hey guys, im looking to install fluxbox, am i safe to use the debian package on the flux site, and how do i use it (ie install it?)
[01:42] <nevyn> johnnybezak: that'd be a bad idea.
[01:42] <nevyn> unless they're built for ubuntu.
[01:42] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: use the universe repository, and just apt-get install it
[01:42] <johnnybezak> nevyn: so i should build it from source
[01:42] <nevyn> fluxbox is almost certainly in universe install it from there
[01:42] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: no, you should use the version in universe
[01:42] <nevyn> DO NOT COMPILE STUFF that's in universe..
[01:43] <Treenaks> nevyn: "this is not gentoo" :P
[01:43] <mirak> Treenaks: is the module you are talking about  snd_bt87x ?
[01:43] <johnnybezak> Treenaks: hmm i thought i had universe in my sources, but i'll look
[01:43] <mirak> or bttv ?
[01:43] <johnnybezak> ok how come installing from source is a bad idea?
[01:43] <nevyn> johnnybezak: cause most people f!@# it up?
[01:44] <Treenaks> mirak: snd_bt87x = the tv card driver.. put that one last in /etc/modules, and put the snd_ driver for your sblive (don't know which one..) above that
[01:44] <johnnybezak> nevyn: haha
[01:44] <nevyn> cause it's impossible to support?
[01:44] <mirak> ok
[01:44] <johnnybezak> nevyn: i'd prolly fuck it up too but I want flux!
[01:44] <nevyn> johnnybezak: cause you always to do --enable-option I uses
[01:44] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: it's in universe.
[01:44] <nevyn> johnnybezak: I'm sure it's in universe it's in debain.
[01:44] <johnnybezak> what version
[01:44] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: apt-cache show!
[01:45] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: do we have to do everything for you?
[01:45] <johnnybezak> haha sorry guys im not an experienced debianer
[01:45] <johnnybezak> (and im half pissed)
[01:45] <johnnybezak> i've just used the synaptic tool
[01:45] <johnnybezak> and it hasn't given me any flux love
[01:45] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: (pissed as in alcohol or pissed as in angry)
[01:46] <nevyn> alcohol if he's only half pissed.
[01:46] <johnnybezak> Treenaks: the former
[01:46] <nevyn> see us australians know about being drunk ;)
[01:46] <johnnybezak> am i alright to post my etc/apt/sources list here?
[01:47] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: use www.pastebin.com
[01:47] <johnnybezak> can i just paste to #flood?
[01:47] <Treenaks> I'm not on #flood
[01:47] <johnnybezak> ok
[01:48] <johnnybezak> http://pastebin.com/118885
[01:49] <Treenaks> you only have the sources for universe in it..
[01:49] <Gmail> Treenaks: we need a paste bin bot
[01:49] <mirak> Treenaks: how can I force unload of modules ?
[01:49] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: hey, you don't even have anything but security!
[01:49] <johnnybezak> hold on i think i missed stuff (sorry to be a pain guys)
[01:49] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: duplicate the first line, and change "deb-src" to "deb", then run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[01:50] <Jimbo> hi, I have a problem while installing my ubuntu on a laptop
[01:50] <Jimbo> is it here i can ask for help?
[01:50] <johnnybezak> http://pastebin.com/118886 try that
[01:50] <Treenaks> Jimbo: if you want help in English stay here, if you want help in Dutch, try #ubuntu-nl
[01:51] <Treenaks> Jimbo: yes, then run apt-get update; apt-cache show fluxbox
[01:51] <Treenaks> +sudo
[01:51] <Treenaks> (only for apt-get not for apt-show)
[01:51] <johnnybezak> me or jimbo?
[01:51] <mirak> is there a way to force unloading of modules supposed to be in use ?
[01:51] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: uh you
[01:51] <johnnybezak> Treenaks: so those lines are right
[01:51] <Treenaks> mirak: rebooting.. or making sure they're not in use
[01:51] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: basically
[01:51] <Jimbo> ok thanks, the problem come from hardware detection
[01:52] <mirak> Treenaks: how can I know they are in use ?
[01:52] <Treenaks> Jimbo: what was the problem?
[01:52] <Jimbo> the keyboard et the mouse aren't recognize
[01:52] <Treenaks> mirak: try to unload them..
[01:52] <Treenaks> Jimbo: what kind of laptop?
[01:52] <johnnybezak> Treenaks: I get nothing it just goes to next prompt
[01:52] <Jimbo> a toshiba A30-901
[01:52] <fsmw> hi all, i'm running xorg on ubuntu and xcompmgr with composite enable, but i can't get shadows any idea?
[01:52] <mirak> Treenaks: that's crap :))
[01:52] <Treenaks> Toshibas have lots of problems.. have you looked on the web page?
[01:53] <Treenaks> mirak: or lsmod, there's a number there, if it's not 0 it's in use
[01:53] <Jimbo> yes but i haven't found anything on it
[01:53] <mirak> Treenaks: ah ok
[01:53] <Treenaks> Jimbo: have you tried booting without ACPI?
[01:53] <daniels> fsmw: run xcompmgr --help
[01:54] <Treenaks> Jimbo: (I think there's a howto for that on the wiki)
[01:54] <fsmw> thanks daniels -c was the answer
[01:54] <Jimbo> no i haven't try without ACPI and i'll check the wiki then i'll comme back to say my result, thanks
[01:54] <johnnybezak> would someone be able to give me there sources list so i can copy paste it
[01:55] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: I would, but I kind of broke my wireless connection remotely this morning :(
[01:55] <johnnybezak> :)
[01:55] <johnnybezak> ah well
[01:56] <mirak> No volume control elements and/or devices found.
[01:57] <jeffreyb> Need help.. I did fresh install of Ubuntu... Uncommented the ubuntu and univers repos in sources.list and did update upgrade. Now I don't have my gnome toolbars (top or bottom). Any ideas?
[01:58] <mirak> jeffreyb: rm your .gnome directories
[01:58] <jeffreyb> ok - will try that
[01:58] <mirak> jeffreyb: or create new ones if you can
[01:58] <jeffreyb> ok -thanks man :)
[01:59] <johnnybezak> hmm still no flux i got an apt.sources off the net could someone please check that flux is in there just in case im bashing my haid against a brick wall?
[02:02] <ddaa> johnnybezak: apt-file and apt-get.org are your friends
[02:02] <ddaa> note that apt-file uses a different database than apt-get, so you have to run "apt-file update" separatedly.
[02:03] <ddaa> * separately
[02:04] <fsmw> i don't have gnome-screenshot on my hoary?
[02:04] <sid77> I'm going to switch to hoary, what should I read?
[02:05] <sid77> (or: what should I do?)
[02:08] <marcdm> Treenaks: Hail. Just verified... CD = ISO = md5sum from ubuntu site... still getting install errors
[02:08] <Treenaks> marcdm: strange.. that shouldn't be happening, is your partition large enough?
[02:08] <Treenaks> marcdm: sure there are no read errors on the CD?
[02:09] <marcdm> I'm still convinced that this error has something to do with Lilo being the MBR
[02:09] <Treenaks> no
[02:09] <seek187> sid77, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list replace the word warty with hoary
[02:10] <johnnybezak> echo deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:10] <johnnybezak> sudo apt-get update
[02:10] <johnnybezak> lol thought this was terminal sorry guys
[02:10] <marcdm> I went a got a different CD-RW drive and did the md5sum /dev/cdrom, the CD checked out ok
[02:10] <sid77> ahahha
[02:10] <marcdm> it gave me the same sum as the iso did and as the one I got from the site.
[02:11] <sid77> seek187, should fam and portmap be removed? (as noted down in the wiki)
[02:11] <marcdm> however, it still installs and fails when it reaches the point of installing initrd-tools
[02:11] <Treenaks> marcdm: maybe your CD player just can't read this specific disc very well
[02:11] <Treenaks> try using a CD-ROM
[02:11] <Kev-> What's up with the livecd not having any compiler?
[02:11] <marcdm> Treenaks: I'm sure. I'm using a brand new DVD-RW drive. This is the 4th drive I'm trying to use.
[02:12] <Treenaks> marcdm: disc. not drive.
[02:12] <seek187> hmmm I didn't but not sure
[02:12] <marcdm> 2 CD-ROMS, 1 CD-RW and this Pioneer Drive.
[02:12] <sid77> seek187, ok I'll give it a try, thanks!
[02:13] <marcdm> Treenaks: it fails at the same place with 3 different disks burnt on 3 different drives using 3 different machines
[02:13] <johnnybezak> hey guys, seeing as i think ive broken my sources.list, does anyone have a vanilla list here?
[02:13] <Treenaks> marcdm: don't know, sorry.. it always worked fine for me
[02:14] <seek187> but nautilus will probablly break on you when you upgrade..
[02:14] <seek187> I think the file was gamin that you install afterwards that fixes it
[02:14] <marcdm> anyone here ever complete a network install?
[02:15] <logic> Technical q: Is Ubuntu pronounced Ewwbuntu or Yoobuntu?
[02:15] <Treenaks> logic: oo-boon-too
[02:15] <logic> Nice, thanks
[02:16] <Jimbo> linux acpi=off is OK, the keyboard is now recognize (i don't know yet for the mouse)
[02:16] <Jimbo> but is ther a mean to configure acpi after installation?
[02:18] <alakdan> anybody using enlightenment and engage here?
[02:19] <BrianB04> Hey all
[02:19] <seek187> hi
[02:19] <Treenaks> alakdan: wasn't enlightenment abandoned years ago?
[02:20] <alakdan> Treenaks, nope, the window manager is quite coool
[02:20] <nevyn> nah rasterman's been doing e17 and evas stuff.
[02:20] <thoreauputic> Treenaks: hardly. It just is taking forever to get to E17 ;)
[02:20] <Treenaks> thoreauputic: R16 was released in 1999!
[02:21] <thoreauputic> Treenaks: NEWS FLASH! E17 will be ready before Longhorn... err... well ... it *could* be.. stay tuned *g*
[02:22] <pisuke> www.rasterman.com there are even videos of what will be E17 ;-)
[02:22] <thoreauputic> E17 will be ready when the HURD is stable !
[02:24] <mirak> Treenaks: the bt878 is still loaded first
[02:24] <Treenaks> mirak: strange
[02:26] <mirak> and it take the place of my scanner
[02:26] <mirak> I will block this module I think
[02:33] <AndyFitz> anyone else getting that fam error in warty ?
[02:34] <AndyFitz> eg . when loading up gedit as sudo in gnome-terminal
[02:34] <AndyFitz> failed to find gam_server
[02:34] <AndyFitz> failed to exec (null)
[02:35] <Quazion> seems to wrok fine here
[02:35] <Quazion> ah as sudo
[02:35] <Quazion> let me try again ;-)
[02:36] <Quazion> AndyFitz, seems to work fine with sudo gedit filename
[02:38] <AndyFitz> things like the gtk file dialog and nautilus are taking much longer to load
[02:38] <johnnybezak> well i gave up, i'm compiling flux from source :) heres to breaking things you can't understand
[02:38] <johnnybezak> :)
[02:38] <AndyFitz> failed to find gam server .  this could be my fault
[02:39] <AndyFitz> why has the services editor disappeared ?
[02:39] <nevyn> johnnybezak: umm just run apt-cache search flux in a terminal and check if it comes up.
[02:39] <AndyFitz> it showed up between updates and I had a play with it .  now its not there anymore and I cant remember uninstalling it .. or what package it was in
[02:40] <thoreauputic> AndyFitz: debs for fluxbox: http://logicvortex.net/debian/fluxbox/
[02:40] <thoreauputic> AndyFitz: the development versions are much nicer - transparent menus etc
[02:42] <johnnybezak> nevyn: yeah i did and it didnt work, it's ok it compiled no worries
[02:43] <AndyFitz> thanks thoreauputic
[02:43] <AndyFitz> I'll be right back !
[02:43] <easybuddy> Hi
[02:43] <thoreauputic> AndyFitz: no worries
[02:43] <easybuddy> um...  hello room
[02:44] <Sepero> Anyone here frequent JL.com?
[02:46] <Sepero> oook....
[02:46] <Sepero> I've never tried Ubuntu, but I'm downloading it now.
[02:46] <nevyn> johnnybezak: how didn't it work?
[02:46] <johnnybezak> nevyn: flux just didnt show up
[02:47] <Sepero> I love Debian, but I hate how unstable has no security updates and there are regular updates everyday.
[02:48] <nevyn> Sepero: unstable can't have security updates pretty much by definition.
[02:48] <bagpuss> Sepero: umm, unstable gets updates every day...they get security updates as soon as they are uploaded
[02:48] <nevyn> johnnybezak: so you didn't get any result?
[02:48] <nevyn> at all?
[02:49] <nevyn> if it's in universe and you can't find it that's bad and should be fixed.
[02:49] <johnnybezak> no it just didnt say anything
[02:49] <Sepero> Everyday updates are unrealistic for me because I'm on dialup. :(
[02:49] <johnnybezak> yeah well i think i had my sources fixed but it just didn't show up
[02:49] <bagpuss> Sepero: ah, that's a different matter then :)
[02:50] <bagpuss> get decent connectivity
[02:50] <johnnybezak> now ive just got to get it to start hehe
[02:50] <Sepero> Not an option in my area, only dialup
[02:50] <thoreauputic> bagpuss: not everyone can afford it anyway
[02:50] <edwood> hi
[02:51] <Sepero> But I read that Ubuntu only releases once every 6 months though. I can definitely handle that kind of upgrade cycle.
[02:52] <bagpuss> thoreauputic: hmm, I guess.  Although or me DSL is cheaper than dialup.  I tend to forget everywhere isn't like that
[02:52] <Sepero> must be nice. ;)
[02:53] <thoreauputic> bagpuss: yeah, in many parts of the world dialup (and sloow dialup at that) is the only option.
[02:53] <Sepero> I'm talking to you guys through gaim. This is the first time I've used it for IRC in a LONG time. I must say that it appears very nice. :)
[02:54] <Sepero> What clients are you guys using?
[02:54] <nevyn> irssi
[02:54] <Treenaks> irssi
[02:54] <daniels> irssi
[02:54] <nevyn> heh
[02:55] <Sepero> A common favorite, apparently  :D
[02:55] <nevyn> irssi + screen is the bomb.
[02:55] <thoreauputic> Sepero: for a GUI, xchat is nice - irssi is good for console
[02:55] <RubenV> thoreauputic: i second that
[02:55] <thoreauputic> some prefer it at all times... :)
[02:55] <Treenaks> nevyn: I've had uptimes of 90 days (and then it went down with the system reboot ;)
[02:56] <nevyn> my freebsdbox is well into 400 days... ;)
[02:56] <edwood> :)
[02:56] <Sepero> I don't think I've ever had a uptime of more than 30 days. Usually because of power failure.  heheheh
[02:56] <Quazion> Sepero, i am using X-Chat since i had no time to install irssi and configure it yet ;-)
[02:56] <Sepero> heh
[02:56] <Quazion> Sepero, where you live then ?
[02:57] <Sepero> I live in Tampa, Florida, usa
[02:57] <Treenaks> they don't have broadband there?
[02:57] <Sepero> Yeah, but not here. I live on the outskirts.
[03:00] <Sepero> How long has everyone in here been using *n*x?
[03:00] <shelldos> What is the difference betweeen warty-release-live and the other one that is lesss than 600mb?
[03:00] <Treenaks> shelldos: one is the Live CD, the other the install CD, I guess
[03:01] <Sepero> I started my adventure about 2000.
[03:01] <shelldos> so Live cd means I can us it without installing to harddrive? and also I can install it to harddrive if I wish so? (from live cd)
[03:01] <Treenaks> shelldos: I don't think you can install from the live CD, but you can use it..
[03:02] <thoreauputic> shelldos: I don't think the live CD has an installer
[03:02] <shelldos> hmm
[03:02] <shelldos> ok, I have a amd k6-2 350mhz with 128mb ram. Which iso file should I get?
[03:02] <shelldos> (want to install ubuntu on the machine)
[03:03] <Sepero> I'm downloading the warty-release over dialup.
[03:03] <Treenaks> shelldos: warty-i386-install.iso (or something like that)
[03:03] <Treenaks> Sepero: 8)
[03:03] <thoreauputic> shelldos: might be a litlle sluggish on that machine
[03:03] <Sepero> Don't give me those eyes. :D
[03:03] <shelldos> hmm
[03:04] <shelldos> thoreauputic: really?
[03:04] <Gmail> Sepero: get it sent to ya
[03:04] <Echylo> what is the default partition prog in ubuntu?
[03:04] <b_e_n_z> Sepero: still living in the 3rd world huh?
[03:04] <Sepero> I would have them send me the CD's, but I've heard that some people have been waiting over a month now for them.
[03:04] <thoreauputic> shelldos: well, it should work Ok
[03:04] <Sepero> lol
[03:04] <Gmail> Sepero: for free from shipit.ubuntulinux.org
[03:05] <shelldos> thoreauputic: doesnt ubuntu have fluxbox or something? or can I install it later on?
[03:05] <bagpuss> Sepero: I believe they will be shipped soon
[03:05] <Gmail> Se7h: they are going to be sent tomz QUICKLY ORDER
[03:05] <Sepero> It'll only take about 50hrs to download over dialup
[03:05] <Echylo> I think cd's are shipped already
[03:05] <thoreauputic> shelldos: you can install it, sure
[03:05] <Sepero> 50hrs = a little over two days
[03:05] <Gmail> Echylo: some of them i hear have been
[03:05] <thoreauputic> shelldos: or any other wm for that matter
[03:05] <Gmail> Sepero: yes non stop
[03:05] <edwood> yes Gmail
[03:05] <Echylo> my status
[03:06] <Gmail> Sepero: where do you live?
[03:06] <Echylo> there are shipped for my on 8th november
[03:06] <Echylo> they*
[03:06] <Echylo> me*
[03:06] <tim1> is there any photo how the cds look like ?
[03:06] <daniels> Gmail: you're too late for the first shipment
[03:06] <daniels> second shipment happens later
[03:06] <Sepero> yeah, we have a dedicated phoneline here for inet
[03:06] <Sepero> tampa, florida, usa
[03:07] <daniels> the first shipment was finalised a long time ago
[03:07] <Gmail> daniels: i order mine there in australia already from some rumer i heard from friends
[03:07] <thoreauputic> tim1: well, they are kind of round, thin and flat :D
[03:07] <daniels> Gmail: depends how early you ordered them
[03:07] <daniels> Gmail: mine have already turned up in Australia, apparently
[03:07] <tim1> round ?
[03:07] <Gmail> daniels: i ordered them from the first day
[03:07] <tim1> mh
[03:07] <tim1> ;)
[03:08] <tim1> no what dows the artwork on it look like ?
[03:08] <thoreauputic> tim1: *grin*
[03:08] <Sepero> I think my CD's are hovering somewhere around the bramuta triangle.
[03:08] <Gmail> Sepero: i am sure you can find someone who order 1 extra which will send it to ya
[03:08] <shelldos> where can I find the complete feature list for ubuntu? (apps etc)
[03:09] <Sepero> I don't go to the local LUGs
[03:09] <Sepero> They are all actually a pretty distant drive for me.
[03:09] <Gmail> Sepero: still quickly order one
[03:09] <Sepero> LOL, NO!  :D
[03:10] <Gmail> Sepero: there free
[03:10] <Gmail> give ma your address and i can do it for ya
[03:11] <Gmail> daniels: i hear there going to be at my door tomz
[03:11] <Sepero> :p
[03:11] <daniels> Gmail: it depends from region to region, order to order
[03:11] <Gmail> Sepero: free beer
[03:11] <Sepero> LOL,  I don't like beer
[03:11] <daniels> Gmail: in some cases they were sent in large groups and exploded per-city, per-state, per-country.  it's highly variable.  if they arrive tomorrow, good.  if not, don't stress.
[03:12] <Sepero> How long have you guys been using Ubuntu?
[03:12] <Gmail> daniels: we order early we both heard the same rumers
[03:12] <daniels> four or five months
[03:12] <Sepero> I first heard about it on the Gnoppix website.
[03:12] <daniels> Gmail: it's highly variable.  really, I'm not lying.
[03:12] <Treenaks> daniels: you'll be in Mataro too, right?
[03:12] <daniels> Gmail: there's no secret list of guaranteed delivery dates with your name on that I'm withholding for fun
[03:12] <daniels> Treenaks: fo'shizzle
[03:13] <Treenaks> daniels: dope!
[03:13] <shelldos> Sepero: have you tried gnoppix? is it good?
[03:13] <daniels> Treenaks: ill
[03:14] <Sepero> No I haven't. It's just that I like Knoppix, but dislike KDE. So I was just checking out the Gnoppix website.
[03:15] <Sepero> I guess Gnoppix is based on Ubuntu.
[03:15] <Echylo> lol
[03:15] <jazzka> hi!
[03:15] <Gmail> daniels: well its probbly going to be hear tomz rather than next week
[03:15] <thoreauputic> Sepero: no, gnoppix has been around for a while :)
[03:15] <daniels> Gmail: that's great
[03:15] <Gmail> Sepero: ROTFL
[03:16] <jazzka> I've got amsn installed by ubuntu's reposotory, but a new version is available from amsn web
[03:16] <jazzka> how can I upload it? correctly I mean
[03:16] <Gmail> jazzka: are you using warty or hoary?
[03:16] <jazzka> Gmail, waty
[03:16] <jazzka> warty
[03:17] <Echylo> what is a partition prog for ubuntu????
[03:17] <Gmail> warty is frozzen there no new updates to it
[03:17] <Echylo> what is the default one?
[03:17] <Sepero> From the gnoppix website: "Gnoppix is a linux live cd based upon Ubuntu Linux. It can be compared to Knoppix but GNOPPIX uses GNOME as desktop environmen"
[03:17] <Gmail> Echylo: there is one is gnome 2.9 it cool
[03:17] <Echylo> what name?
[03:17] <Gmail> Sepero: LOL
[03:17] <Gmail> Echylo: its part of gnome-system-tools
[03:17] <Echylo> k
[03:17] <Sepero> I'm not joking, see for yourself http://www.gnoppix.org/
[03:18] <jazzka> Gmail, so until hoary is released, no new software for warty?
[03:18] <thoreauputic> Sepero: well, Gnoppix may now be so based, but it has existed for some time - probably it has changed
[03:18] <thoreauputic> Sepero: that's interesting
[03:18] <Echylo> can't find it Gmail
[03:19] <daniels> jazzka: no, warty is a release.  that means it only gets security updates.
[03:19] <Sepero> If it wasn't for that, I would have not heard of ubuntu
[03:19] <daniels> jazzka: release means we stop changing stuff
[03:19] <Gmail> Echylo: it in hoary
[03:19] <Echylo> ?
[03:19] <Gmail> jazzka: hoary is open already
[03:20] <Echylo> I can't follow
[03:20] <Echylo> ow
[03:20] <Echylo> you mean
[03:20] <Echylo> there are partition programs in the final one?
[03:20] <Gmail> ooops
[03:21] <Gmail> it in haory and under gnome its called disks-admin
[03:22] <jazzka> ok bye!
[03:23] <Sepero> GNOPPIX Warty  (2004-10-15)                 				There have been some big developments in regards to Gnoppix that I'm excited to report. Recently, I've been contacted by developers working on the new Debian derivative "Ubuntu" about collaboration between Ubuntu and Gnoppix.
[03:24] <Sepero> I guess that was half way through last month.
[03:24] <mirak> how can I install eclipse ?
[03:24] <jono> anyone in here hacked around with localisation in Linux?
[03:24] <thoreauputic> Sepero: nice - looks like Ubuntu kind of resurrected the Gnoppix project (it wasn't doing a lot before, I seem to recall)
[03:25] <Sepero> That's good.
[03:25] <Sepero> I like to be able to choose Gnome\
[03:25] <thoreauputic> jono: no more than ` dpkg-reconfigure locales` *g*
[03:26] <jono> hehe
[03:26] <jono> ok, anyone written an FDI file?
[03:26] <Gmail> maybe ubuntu-live should be a merge of gnoopix and ubuntu-live
[03:27] <Gmail> btw why can't ubuntu use gnoppix's installer it looks quite nice
[03:28] <johnnybezak> hey guys is there anyway i can find out where on the filesystem all these handy shortcuts that are in the computer menu are (like the network or disks one for example)?
[03:28] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: home is always ~, computer has no equivalent in the filesystem.. network doesn't either
[03:28] <thoreauputic> Gmail: the ubuntu installer is the new debian-installer, I believe ( the sarge installer)
[03:28] <mirak> why is there eclipse sources , but not the binary package ?
[03:29] <shelldos> hmm
[03:29] <shelldos> so gnoppix is ubuntu
[03:29] <mirak> in hoary
[03:29] <shelldos> basically
[03:29] <Echylo> what is hoary?
[03:29] <Sepero> Interesting anout the installer
[03:29] <thoreauputic> mirak: java license issues?
[03:29] <johnnybezak> Treenaks: I want to use flux instead of gnome, is there anyway i can use these shortcuts do you think?
[03:29] <Sepero> The girl next door
[03:29] <Sepero> heheheh
[03:29] <tidalwav> okay, I have a question...how can I compile linux-wlan-ng on Ubuntu without kernel sources?
[03:29] <mirak> thoreauputic: there wouldn't be the sources either
[03:29] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: uh, I don't think so
[03:30] <mirak> eclipse is open sourc
[03:30] <mirak> e
[03:30] <marcdm> Echylo: Hoary Hedgehog = next Ubuntu release
[03:30] <johnnybezak> Treenaks: ok thanks
[03:30] <johnnybezak> Treenaks: it's a pity there not somewhere on the filesystem
[03:30] <mirak> thoreauputic: maybe the package need java to be build
[03:30] <jono> anyone know how to upgrade from ext2 to a journalled filesystem?
[03:30] <Gmail> thoreauputic: i was talking about for hoary the wiki says not to promiss a gfx installer
[03:31] <khwarizmi> johnnybezak: I believe these shortcuts are oart of Nautilus, the GNOME file manager.
[03:31] <Gmail> well you can if there is already one you can use
[03:31] <khwarizmi> s/oart/part
[03:31] <mirak> jono you can upgrade to ext3 without repartitioning
[03:31] <shelldos> nice theme gnoppix uses --> http://www.gnoppix.org/pages/screenshots/gnoppix07beta/gnoppix_installer.png
[03:31] <johnnybezak> khwarizmi: how can i access them through nautilus, not through the menu do you know?
[03:31] <johnnybezak> khwarizmi: because i like nautilus, i just prefer flux for a WM
[03:32] <thoreauputic> jono mke2fs -j  (for journal) from memory
[03:33] <mjr> thoreauputic, well, no.
[03:33] <mirak> are the packagers of ubuntu available on this channel or is it only users ?
[03:33] <thoreauputic> jono: you don't even have to unmount
[03:33] <mjr> tune2fs -j adds a journal to an existing ext2
[03:33] <thoreauputic> mjr: no?
[03:33] <martink> johnnybezak: nautilus computer: and nautilus network:
[03:33] <johnnybezak> i tell you what though ubuntu is impressive, for such a young distro
[03:33] <vincent> where can I found my usb HDD order to mount it? I can't find /dev/sda_
[03:33] <thoreauputic> mjr: ah - sorry - quite right
[03:33] <johnnybezak> martink: ok thanks, i suppose i can find the rest in man nautilus?
[03:34] <johnnybezak> cos were all too dumb
[03:34] <jono> I need someone to write about it for a book
[03:34] <jono> anyone interested?
[03:34] <johnnybezak> :_
[03:34] <johnnybezak> )
[03:35] <johnnybezak> whats the run application program called, how can i find out program names when they just have their user friendly name?
[03:35] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: just press <tab> in a terminal :)
[03:36] <johnnybezak> Treenaks: hehe
[03:36] <tidalwav> well does anyone know if there are debian packages for linux-wlan-ng? I can't download the packages on that box because there is no internet connection (yet).
[03:36] <Treenaks> linux-wlan-ng? what's that?
[03:36] <gwildor_> canonical employees, or anyone, what is bazaar?
[03:36] <johnnybezak> martink: that doesnt work unfortunately man
[03:36] <daniels> gwildor_: http://bazaar.canonical.com
[03:37] <gwildor_> daniels, been there done that, it doesn't tell me what it does/is
[03:37] <IRCMonkey> Could someone tell me a good audio cd copying program for gnome ?
[03:37] <martink> johnnybezak: hmm, works here. Maybe run nautilus computer://
[03:37] <johnnybezak> k3b
[03:37] <LinuxJones> jono, tune2fs -j /dev/xxx but umount the directory 1st or boot to mainienance mode
[03:37] <tidalwav> linux-wlan-ng is drivers for prism2 based USB wireless lan adapters, I think
[03:37] <daniels> gwildor_: a friendly fork of tla to improve its ui
[03:37] <Treenaks> tidalwav: prism2 is supported by the installer... afaik
[03:37] <tidalwav> I need it to make my d-link DWL-122 802.11b adapter work
[03:38] <johnnybezak> *ducks*
[03:38] <tidalwav> teenacks:it's not working :)
[03:38] <gwildor_> daniels, tla?
[03:38] <Treenaks> tim1: USB?
[03:38] <johnnybezak> martink: thats it man thanks
[03:38] <Treenaks> tidalwav: USB ?
[03:38] <daniels> gwildor_: the most popular implementation of arch
[03:38] <tidalwav> when I plug the thing in I do lsmod | grep prism
[03:38] <Echylo> can somebody help me with 3ddesk
[03:38] <tidalwav> and it automatically loads prism2_usb and p80211
[03:38] <Echylo> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/3ddesktopHowto
[03:39] <Echylo> it gives me an error , hardware related
[03:39] <tidalwav> but it won't recognize the thing as a device
[03:39] <tidalwav> like eth0 or wlan0 or something
[03:40] <Echylo> http://www.pastebin.com/118905
[03:40] <Echylo> can somebody heeelp meee :p
[03:40] <tidalwav> and I think you need to use linux-wlan-ng to configure it but it won't compile
[03:40] <tidalwav> hence my problem
[03:41] <Echylo> do I need drivers or?
[03:41] <Sepero> Does irssi come preloaded with ubuntu?
[03:42] <johnnybezak> where is the config for the applications and computer menu?
[03:42] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: it's all gnome-specific
[03:42] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: but the menu is just a directory full of .desktop files in /usr/share somewhere I think
[03:42] <johnnybezak> Treenaks: is there a tool to configure it? i just need to find out actual program names
[03:42] <IRCMonkey> how much does it take to the CDs to deliver?
[03:43] <johnnybezak> Treenaks: thnx ill have a look
[03:43] <gwildor_> IRCMonkey, incomplete sentence
[03:43] <tidalwav> monkey: dunno, I ordered some too and they haven't come yet :p
[03:43] <Treenaks> IRCMonkey: several days to weeks
[03:43] <IRCMonkey> thanks
[03:43] <Treenaks> IRCMonkey: (i.e. "unknown"()
[03:43] <thoreauputic> Sepero: re irssi:  sudo apt-get inastall irssi-text
[03:44] <thoreauputic> 8install
[03:44] <thoreauputic> aargh
[03:44] <mjr> ls
[03:44] <mjr> or not
[03:44] <vincent> help! I can't see my USB external HDD (iOmega)
[03:45] <vincent> how can I reach it?
[03:46] <gwildor_> I wonder how many cd's they had to press
[03:46] <Sepero> Is there anywhere I can go to see screenshots of ubuntu?
[03:46] <Treenaks> vincent: is it partitioneD?
[03:46] <vincent> yes
[03:46] <vincent> fat
[03:46] <gwildor_> sepero, maybe the ubuntu website
[03:46] <Treenaks> vincent: partitioned != formatted, but it's  formatted as well .. hmm
[03:47] <vincent> I used to see it under Mandrake 9.1
[03:47] <vincent> /dev/sda
[03:47] <vincent> but nothing with ubuntu
[03:47] <thoreauputic> Sepero: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/screenshots/document_view
[03:47] <vincent> :/
[03:47] <Sepero> thnx
[03:48] <tidalwav> vincent: you may need to add it to /etc/fstab
[03:48] <tidalwav> manuall
[03:48] <tidalwav> *manually
[03:49] <vincent> yeh I know but no device appears!
[03:49] <tidalwav> well did you add it?
[03:50] <Sepero> Is Ubuntu made to be a single user system? I keep hearing people talk about sudo this and that.
[03:50] <Treenaks> Sepero: no, you can make multiple users, and give those sudo rights (or not)
[03:50] <Treenaks> Sepero: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:51] <jono> anyone know how to control the mouse with the cursor keys?
[03:51] <Sepero> You're quick :)
[03:51] <Rotund> you have to turn it on in mouse settings I believe
[03:51] <Treenaks> Sepero: I have a huge memory ;)
[03:51] <vincent> If I had the /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 ...... in fstab, will it force ubuntu ti detect sdc?
[03:51] <Treenaks> vincent: no
[03:51] <vincent> ok
[03:52] <vincent> so how can I detect this HDD
[03:52] <Treenaks> vincent: type 'dmesg', see if it's detected at all
[03:52] <vincent> it is detected in /proc/usb0
[03:52] <zenwhen> whoa
[03:52] <Treenaks> vincent: no, it's not.
[03:52] <vincent> I'll try
[03:52] <Treenaks> vincent: /proc/usb0 is not a place for that
[03:52] <zenwhen> it doesnt automatically mount?
[03:53] <shelldos> when installing ubuntu  in the partition step.. how do I exit it ??
[03:53] <zenwhen> My mp3 player just mounts up and even pops up in a window
[03:53] <shelldos> it keeps getting back to the partiitioning menu
[03:53] <shelldos> I already know where I want to install the system
[03:54] <vincent> scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
[03:54] <vincent>   Vendor: HDS72258  Model: 0VLAT20           Rev: V32O
[03:54] <vincent>   Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 02
[03:54] <vincent> SCSI device sda: 160836481 512-byte hdwr sectors (82348 MB)
[03:54] <vincent> sda: assuming drive cache: write through
[03:54] <vincent>  /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 p3 p4
[03:54] <vincent> Attached scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[03:54] <vincent> USB Mass Storage device found at 2
[03:54] <vincent> usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage
[03:54] <vincent> USB Mass Storage support registered.
[03:55] <thoreauputic> vincent: /topic  re pasting in channel
[03:55] <vincent> ????
[03:55] <thoreauputic> vincent: read the channel topic :)
[03:56] <vincent> ooops
[03:56] <vincent> sorry! ;o)
[03:56] <jono> what do I use to book from the network?
[03:56] <thoreauputic> vincent: :)
[03:56] <shelldos> thoreauputic: I don't understand why I must write partition table to disk to get to the next step, if I already have all the partitions ready
[03:56] <shelldos> ??
[03:56] <mirak> is there a ubuntu developpement channel ?
[03:57] <tim1> mirak: ubuntu-devel
[04:00] <vincent> /dev/scsi doesnt exist... :/
[04:00] <SurveR> hi
[04:00] <vincent> hi
[04:01] <SurveR> i want enable root user
[04:01] <SurveR> i speak very little english :(
[04:01] <shelldos> SurveR: sudo su
[04:01] <vincent> french?
[04:01] <SurveR> vincent: spanish
[04:01] <vincent> ok
[04:02] <vincent> SurveR: or do: $ sudo passwd root
[04:03] <SurveR> but sudo passwd root as user or root?
[04:03] <Treenaks> SurveR: and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:03] <vincent> as user
[04:03] <vincent> then you'll be able to enter root password
[04:03] <shelldos> Treenaks : I don't understand why I must write partition table to disk to get to the next step, if I already have all the partitions ready
[04:03] <Treenaks> SurveR: you most likely do not want a root account enabled
[04:04] <Treenaks> shelldos: eh? what are you doing?
[04:04] <shelldos> Treenaks: installing ubuntu
[04:04] <Treenaks> shelldos: well.. just choose which partition you want to use for what.. then save it to disk and go
[04:04] <khwarizmi> vincent: There is also considerable material available in Spanish. Look here for example: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SpanishDocumentation. Read the section "Personalizacin del sistema".
[04:05] <vincent> me french... SurveR spanish ;o)
[04:05] <SurveR> :D
[04:05] <shelldos> Treenaks: why should I write partition table to disk? When I already have all the partitions set ready to go.. But when I got to menu "installing the base system" it keeps getting back to the partitioning window
[04:05] <SurveR> but don't speak english
[04:05] <SurveR> ehehehe
[04:06] <vincent> no esta importante
[04:06] <Treenaks> SurveR: you should select which partitions you want to use for what, then save to disk, and then go on
[04:06] <shelldos> Treenaks: ok
[04:06] <Treenaks> shelldos: don't forget to mark partitions you don't want to format as "do not format" :)
[04:07] <SurveR> one question more
[04:07] <vincent> ok
[04:08] <SurveR> ubuntu have some problem with mp3?
[04:08] <gwildor_> till you enable them
[04:08] <vincent> I didnt try mp3 yet
[04:08] <SurveR> what?
[04:09] <vincent> I could if i could mount that f*!/$+@ sda
[04:09] <SurveR> i try to install xmms but i can't starting
[04:09] <SurveR> start*
[04:10] <SurveR> or is: i try to install xmms but i can't start it
[04:10] <SurveR> ?
[04:10] <SurveR> hehehehe
[04:10] <vincent> try Rythmbox
[04:10] <SurveR> have problem with mp3
[04:10] <SurveR> wait
[04:10] <eazel7> where are the apt repositories?
[04:11] <vincent> Applications>Multimedia
[04:11] <vincent> ...for Rythmbox!
[04:11] <SurveR> eazel7: i think /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:11] <eazel7> SuperL4g: I'm doing a debootstrapped install
[04:11] <shelldos> surver: doesnt ubuntu come with xmms?
[04:11] <eazel7> I need to know the URLs to add them to sources.list
[04:12] <kent> SurveR, you have problems with mp3?
[04:12] <SurveR> shelldos: i dont understand u
[04:12] <SurveR> sorry
[04:12] <shelldos> ok
[04:12] <SurveR> kent: yes
[04:12] <|trey|> eazel7: deb archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu warty main restricted universe multiverse .. install ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop
[04:12] <kent> SurveR, you need gstreamer-mad or something. Ubuntu has no support for mp3 in the default install.
[04:13] <SurveR> shelldos: no, ubuntu doesnt come with xmms
[04:13] <eazel7> |trey|: thanks!
[04:13] <kent> SurveR, read the FAQ and other places on the ubuntu homepage. It tells you what to do.
[04:13] <Treenaks> SurveR: yes it does come with xmms, in universal
[04:13] <SurveR> kent thx
[04:13] <Treenaks> uh
[04:13] <Treenaks> universe
[04:13] <|trey|> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse even
[04:13] <|trey|> I'm drunk  :(
[04:13] <SurveR> but not in warty
[04:13] <vincent> Surver: sudo synaptic
[04:13] <Treenaks> |trey|: don't drink and irc 8)
[04:13] <|trey|> warty*
[04:13] <Treenaks> vincent: gksudo, or use the menu
[04:13] <|trey|> Treenaks: good advice  ;)
[04:13] <vincent> then valid xmms
[04:13] <SurveR> look
[04:13] <SurveR> wait
[04:14] <|trey|> eazel7: but yeah, that is a copy and paste job... yup... if you are comfortable with sid, hoary has xorg + newer packages such as gnome 2.9  :)
[04:15] <Gmail> hmmm
[04:15] <gwildor_> imma try and go hoary tonite, good idea or bad idea??
[04:15] <Treenaks> gwildor_: only if you know what you're doing
[04:16] <|trey|> gwildor_: good idea... if you install apt-listbugs...
[04:16] <sid77> gwildor_, I'm doing it atm
[04:16] <gwildor_> well, I know how to upgrade to it
[04:16] <Treenaks> |trey|: apt-listchanges too
[04:16] <BrianB04> Is it a good idea to dist-upgrade with Debian testing into the apt sources?:)
[04:16] <|trey|> Treenaks: eh... that isn't really helpful...
[04:17] <Treenaks> |trey|: well, it lists the changelogs..
[04:17] <theine> I saw that linux-image-2.6 is obselete now. what is the official ubuntu kernel-image package called now?
[04:18] <Treenaks> theine: obsolete? where did you see that?
[04:18] <theine> in synaptic
[04:18] <eazel7> thanks
[04:18] <eazel7> bbl
[04:18] <theine> Treenaks: I'm using Hoary by the way
[04:18] <|trey|> Treenaks: so does /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.gz etc...
[04:18] <Treenaks> |trey|: basically (changelog.Debian.gz then..)
[04:19] <|trey|> Treenaks: apt-listchanges is only useful if you have cron handle upgrades imo
[04:19] <SurveR> re
[04:19] <SurveR> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[04:19] <Treenaks> |trey|: no, I've aborted upgrades because I read it :)
[04:19] <daniels> SurveR: nvidia proprietary drivers
[04:19] <Kal_Zakath> hi
[04:20] <SurveR> ?
[04:20] <SurveR> nvidia proprietary?
[04:20] <daniels> SurveR: have you installed the nvidia-glx package or whatever?
[04:20] <daniels> the nvidia drivers
[04:20] <SurveR> yes
[04:21] <daniels> that's their problem, we don't know to fix it because we don't have the source code
[04:21] <SurveR> aham
[04:21] <SurveR> some app equals xmms?
[04:21] <Treenaks> daniels: yay for legal issues :|
[04:21] <kent> totem.
[04:21] <vincent> Rythmbox
[04:21] <vincent> iTunes like
[04:22] <mirak> SurveR: amarok
[04:23] <mirak> if you install it you need to run amarokapp first
[04:23] <thoreauputic> also beep-media-player  :)
[04:23] <SurveR> but really... i want xmms
[04:23] <SurveR> hehehehehe
[04:23] <vincent> lol
[04:25] <thoreauputic> apt-cache show beep-media-player
[04:25] <thoreauputic>  A player that supports Winamp skins, with a customizable interface based on
[04:25] <thoreauputic>  GTK2. It has various output plugins and can read various audio formats.
[04:26] <Gmail|SLEEP> lol wimamp is dead and clones are just appearing
[04:26] <Gmail|SLEEP> night
[04:27] <SurveR> mmm
[04:27] <SurveR> how update menus when i install some program?
[04:27] <Diavolo> hello people, im trying to mount a fat32 partition, so i add "
[04:28] <SurveR> lol
[04:28] <netmonk> is there someone from Bulgaria aroun here?!
[04:28] <Kal_Zakath> SurveR : well, if it isn't updated, maybe you have to add it manually, or try a killall gnome-panel in a term
[04:28] <SurveR> lol, it's a radical solution
[04:29] <Kal_Zakath> it's what I always did
[04:29] <vincent> help! I can't see my USB external HDD (iOmega) in /dev/sda whereas it is detected in /proc/scsi/usb-storege
[04:29] <SurveR> hehehe ;)
[04:29] <Kal_Zakath> gnoma-panel will reload by it self
[04:30] <mxpxpod> is anyone here using hoary on ppc?
[04:30] <shelldos> I get error msg saying /var doesnt have enough space. When installing the remaining packeges during installation. ??
[04:31] <vincent> Is your CD ok?
[04:31] <SurveR> thoreauputic: i'm using beep-media-player
[04:32] <SurveR> i see well
[04:32] <SurveR> some people caa say my nick?
[04:32] <thoreauputic> SurveR: any good? I haven't tried it
[04:32] <SurveR> thx
[04:32] <SurveR> yes
[04:32] <SurveR> its good
[04:33] <SurveR> it's equals winamp or xmms
[04:33] <thoreauputic> SurveR: ah - good to know
[04:33] <mxpxpod> SurveR: the only thing that's bad is that it can't read flacs
[04:33] <SurveR> flacs?
[04:33] <crimsun> I'll ask Scott to touch up his flac plugin for bmp
[04:34] <mxpxpod> crimsun: awesome
[04:34] <mxpxpod> SurveR: flac.sf.net
[04:34] <SurveR> am ok
[04:34] <netmonk> anyone with ideas on suspend for toshiba laptop? under suse it works with 'echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep' but under Ubuntu the screen just goes blank and then comes back in 1 second. pls, help!
[04:34] <SurveR> i see for add all directory
[04:34] <SurveR> but.... :D
[04:38] <shelldos> I get error msg saying /var doesnt have enough space. When installing the remaining packeges during installation. ??
[04:41] <thoreauputic> shelldos: how much space did you allocate for ubuntu? Sounds like not enough... ?
[04:41] <shelldos> thoreauputic: tha partition is 5gb
[04:42] <thoreauputic> hmm... should be plenty. Don't know then
[04:53] <supos> Is this way cool or what: My parents asked me (!) if I could please install GNU/Linux on their computer, as they were growing sick and tired of Windows!
[04:54] <supos> Only problem is that it's an old celeron 333 with only 64 megs of ram, and I was wondering how Ubuntu would run on this?
[04:54] <mirak> supos: a bit short on ram maybe
[04:54] <mirak> but it will work for sure
[04:54] <mirak> kde will maybe be a bit laggy
[04:55] <mirak> ah sorry there is not kde on ubuntu :D
[04:55] <supos> lol
[04:55] <mirak> I installed debian on a power mac 120mhz 64mo of ram
[04:55] <mxpxpod> is anyone here that uses hoary on ppc?
[04:55] <mirak> mxpxpod: why ?
[04:56] <aim1159> are there any russina-speaking users here?
[04:56] <supos> I'm running Debian myself, but I figured Ubuntu might be a bit easier for my computer illiterate parents
[04:56] <mxpxpod> mirak: I'd like to know if xorg works well on it
[04:56] <mirak> mxpxpod: why not ?
[04:56] <mxpxpod> mirak: just checking
[04:57] <mirak> mxpxpod: I have debian on a G3, and there is no visible difference in usage in fact
[04:57] <mirak> than from a PC
[04:57] <mxpxpod> mirak: ok
[04:57] <aim1159> mirak: what the sense to use debian on G3 instead of Classic MacOS 9?
[04:58] <mxpxpod> mirak: I've got an ibook g4, so I don't know how well drm works on it with xorg
[05:00] <heavy> how do i setup an nfs client in ubuntu?
[05:01] <mirak> aim1159: ???
[05:01] <mirak> aim1159: if you would have suggested OS X instead of OS 9 well maybe
[05:01] <mirak> but OS 9
[05:01] <mirak> duh
[05:02] <mirak> aim1159: in fact the official reason is that I don't have OS 9 licence
[05:02] <mirak> aim1159: nor OS X
[05:02] <heavy> i have nfs-common installed but it doesn't start
[05:02] <mirak> aim1159: because my neighoburg gave the mac
[05:02] <shaver> and they kept the license?
[05:03] <shaver> interesting choice
[05:03] <mirak> aim1159: so I installed linux on it first. Then I recently installed OS X.
[05:03] <crimsun> heavy: http://www.metaconsultancy.com/whitepapers/nfs.htm
[05:03] <mirak> shaver: in fact I think I have OS 9 orignal CD
[05:03] <mirak> but OS 9 is not supported anymore anyway
[05:03] <mirak> using linux on a mac is like using linux on a pc
[05:03] <mirak> you avoid proprietary OS
[05:04] <mirak> and have tons of free applications
[05:04] <mirak> and applications not available elsewhere anyway
[05:05] <heavy> crimsun, thanks, i'll take a look
[05:05] <mirak> mxpxpod: ibooks are really jewels of technology and design
[05:05] <mirak> :D
[05:07] <aim1159> mirak: mmm... it's strange. I though all Mac hardware came with MacOS pre-installed with the licence of cause. And the licence could not be separete from the installed os...
[05:08] <khwarizmi> I have a question: after doing some research, I still didn't find a solution about the "burning VCDs with Ubuntu"-issue. Does anybody know a solution for it?
[05:08] <crimsun> what type of file(s) are you trying to burn?
[05:09] <mirak> aim1159: I had this discussion on #macosx
[05:09] <aim1159> mirak: and?
[05:09] <mirak> aim1159: I have licence for OS 9 then
[05:09] <mirak> but not OS X
[05:09] <aim1159> of cause.
[05:09] <mirak> or well if you are right that's fine
[05:09] <mirak> by the way I downloaded OS X
[05:10] <aim1159> it's stupid, I think, to set up os x on g3 - it's not a good hardware for mac os x
[05:10] <mirak> and installed it
[05:10] <mirak> there is no copy protection
[05:10] <Chibi> o_O
[05:10] <mirak> there is no key protection
[05:10] <Echylo> maybe it was disabled already :)
[05:10] <Chibi> Fun. I wish I had a powerpc laying around. :o
[05:10] <mirak> aim1159: how do you know ?
[05:10] <mirak> aim1159: os x runs fine on it, I don't see the problem
[05:11] <khwarizmi> crimsun: Well, I have MPEGs.
[05:11] <mirak> aim1159: even expose is working
[05:11] <crimsun> khwarizmi: do you have a cue sheet as well?
[05:11] <aim1159> mirak: mmm... it's too slow for me. osx on g4 runs much smoother
[05:11] <mirak> aim1159: that's not as fluid than on a G5, but that's still better than any expose like on windows or linux
[05:11] <mirak> aim1159: then give me your g4
[05:11] <mirak> lol
[05:12] <aim1159> mirak: it's not mine. it's a spbu's mac
[05:12] <aim1159> both of them
[05:12] <khwarizmi> crimsun: No, I don't. But do I need that? In Windows times one wasn't neccesary. I just used Nero, I chose "VCD", specified the MPEG file, and there I went.
[05:12] <mirak> aim1159: anyway I run linux on it most of the time. I installed OS X not as a necessity, but more to just try it
[05:13] <thoreauputic> mirak: is OS X simple to install? and easy for dual-boot etc (I'm not a mac user, but I've been considering it)
[05:13] <crimsun> khwarizmi: I've only used cdrdao w/ cue sheets. K3b may offer functionality to burn as vcd, but I'm uncertain.
[05:13] <mirak> thoreauputic: it's very easy to install yes.
[05:14] <mirak> thoreauputic: for the dualboot some cautions must be taken
[05:14] <thoreauputic> mirak: partitioning?
[05:14] <mirak> thoreauputic: in fact you should try to install linux first, with a separated /home partition that you format i hfsplus
[05:14] <mirak> in
[05:14] <thoreauputic> I see
[05:15] <thoreauputic> mirak: and do you use grub/lilo. or is it yaboot or whatever it's called?
[05:15] <mirak> thoreauputic: ok so I would suggest you to install linux on a 5G partition, then keep a free 5G partition for OS X (it installs on 2,5G without apps)
[05:15] <mirak> thoreauputic: and the rest for home in hfsplus
[05:16] <jimi> hi
[05:16] <mirak> thoreauputic: that's yaboot, but it's similar to lilo
[05:16] <mirak> thoreauputic: you must use mac-fdisk instead of fdisk
[05:16] <thoreauputic> mirak: OK - thanks for the information
[05:16] <mirak> thoreauputic: #debianppc have good support
[05:17] <mirak> thoreauputic: there is also #gentoo-ppc
[05:17] <a_> i am thinking about running ubuntu.  my only concern is what happens if i use a package from universe, and at some point a vulnerability in that package is discovered.  am i stuck with the vulnerability if i need that package?
[05:17] <thoreauputic> mirak: heh - I'll stick with debian :)
[05:17] <khwarizmi> crimsun: K3b doesn't offer it, I checked. It offers data CDs, audio CDs, DVDs and that's it.
[05:18] <mirak> thoreauputic: there is a bootstrap partition also to put before the other ones
[05:18] <khwarizmi> crimsun: well, then let me ask this way: can I create a CUE sheet in order to burn it with cdrdao?
[05:18] <mirak> thoreauputic: mac-fdisk can do that for you
[05:20] <Echylo> question about ubuntu!
[05:20] <Echylo> how to shut down x server?
[05:20] <Echylo> cause init 3, init 5 doesn't really helps
[05:21] <khwarizmi> Echoylo: CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE, I think.
[05:21] <EfaistOs> do u know how to install vmware when the 2.6.8-3 kernel headers are not availble yet ? apparently vmware checks if the headers and the version of kernel are the same ...
[05:22] <shelldos> I get error msg saying /var doesnt have enough space. When installing the remaining packeges during installation. ??
[05:23] <shelldos> confugaration of xserver etc didnt even come up!
[05:23] <shelldos> stupid installation
[05:25] <supos> shelldos: how much space do you have on /var
[05:25] <jimi> i dont have bugzilla account, but have lots of information about bug #3196 (instllation process crash)
[05:25] <jimi> who should i give the logs
[05:26] <a_> are there any experienced ubuntu users here?
[05:26] <trans_err> woo- drop shadows in hoary :D
[05:27] <jimi> is there a hoary iso somewhere? cool... my warty crashes at install process :s
[05:30] <Mayday> jimi: why not make a bugzilla account?
[05:30] <tvon> Anyone having memory issues using Hoary?
[05:31] <tvon> actually I had them with warty too
[05:31] <jimi> i dont know... i am forced to use knoppix right now, i dont feel like making accounts and so
[05:31] <tvon> basically something is sucking up my ram
[05:32] <tvon> jimi: check the mailing lists, there are daily hoary snapshots up somewhere
[05:32] <occy> how do I get jre2 on ubuntu?
[05:32] <jimi> ok thank you
[05:32] <tvon> hrm, might be spamd
[05:33] <occy> apt-cache search jre doesn't show anything useful.
[05:33] <pisuke> occy, look at the wiki, but it's a bit messy for me. I jus't got it from java.sun.com, it was less pain for me.
[05:33] <lrn> i have some questions
[05:33] <lrn> how i get XORG to my ubuntu
[05:33] <occy> pisuke, hmmm
[05:33] <occy> ok
[05:33] <lrn> and i want to install kmldonkey
[05:34] <lrn> and i need non free apt-get source for that
[05:34] <thoreauputic> lrn: upgrade to hoary for X.org
[05:34] <pisuke> lrn, for xorg upgrade to horay
[05:34] <EfaistOs> nobody can answers me about the headers ?!
[05:34] <lrn> thoreauputic apt-get upgrade ?
[05:35] <thoreauputic> lrn: err - no you need hoary souces and an apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:35] <jimi> i have all logs for bug #3196 (a "need info" bug...) please some ubuntu dev take them T_T
[05:35] <thoreauputic> *sources
[05:35] <jimi> i cant make bugzilla account right now
[05:35] <lrn> thoreauputic from where can i get them?
[05:36] <LinuxJones> EfaistOs, do apt-cache search linux-headers they are there
[05:36] <kensai> lrn, remove from /etc/apt/sources.list that says warty to hoary
[05:36] <thoreauputic> lrn: just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change warty -> hoary
[05:36] <lrn> ok
[05:36] <Kal_Zakath> lrn : then perform apt-get update
[05:37] <lrn> also i need to change that
[05:37] <lrn> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[05:37] <lrn> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[05:37] <lrn> ?
[05:37] <Kal_Zakath> and after update perform apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:37] <kensai> lrn: if you want change that too
[05:37] <occy> heh, pretty crappy when you can't easily find JRE2 on Sun's page.
[05:37] <EfaistOs> LinuxJones, and what is the difference between kernel-headers and linux-headers N
[05:38] <kensai> lrn, change warty-security to hoary-security
[05:38] <theweb|sleeping> Hello, can't print to connected Epson Stylus C60 printer, cups says "Printer not connected; will retry in 30 seconds...".
[05:38] <LinuxJones> EfaistOs, just a name change
[05:38] <theweb|sleeping> He is connected, cause when starting suse he can print!?
[05:38] <EfaistOs> LinuxJones, why they cant put the same name ? weird ...
[05:39] <LinuxJones> EfaistOs, I dunno just a Ubuntuisim I guess
[05:39] <theweb> Have search in Ubuntu's FAQ and wiki, couldn't find a reason for this behavior?
[05:39] <lrn> any one here got KLMdonkey ?
[05:40] <eclipse> can someone tell how to upgrade XFree86 to X.org on ubuntu?
[05:41] <kensai> eclipse, remove from /etc/apt/sources.list everything that says warty to hoary
[05:41] <eclipse> then apt-get install x.org?
[05:41] <pisuke> eclipse, xorg is in horay, but it's a development version.
[05:41] <eclipse> it's ok
[05:41] <kensai> eclipse: apt-get update $$ apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:42] <eclipse> ok
[05:42] <kensai> eclipse: warning: you'll get as unstable as hell
[05:42] <eclipse> really?
[05:42] <kensai> eclipse: you will have even the gnome 2.9.1 which is buggy
[05:43] <eclipse> well, can i just upgrade x.org only?
[05:43] <kensai> eclipse: if you need something stable
[05:43] <kensai> eclipse;stay with warty
[05:43] <kensai> eclipse, but if you don't need to have 100% stability then move to hoary
[05:43] <eclipse> reason i want to upgrade to x.org is because my animated cursors keep on flicking
[05:44] <kensai> eclipse, hoary is like 80% less unstable only
[05:44] <eclipse> damn...so maybe it's my nvidia driver then?
[05:44] <kensai> eclipse, but I'm in hoary without probs
[05:45] <eclipse> what about ur animated cursors...r they flickering?
[05:45] <LinuxJones> kensai, so hoary is fairly stable ?
[05:45] <Chibi> Hmm, are you implying today is a good day to dist-upgrade?
[05:45] <kensai> eclipse: nope
[05:45] <kensai> LinuxJones: yes
[05:45] <kensai> LinuxJones: I say 80% stable
[05:45] <LinuxJones> kensai, I think I'll upgrade for something to do :D
[05:45] <eclipse> then i need to upgrade to x.org
[05:46] <kensai> eclipse: xorg is only obtained with hoary
[05:46] <kensai> so change your sources.list
[05:46] <tseng> the only major problem with hoary ive noticed is, evolution 2.1 is a bit flakey
[05:46] <kensai> tseng: It gets constant upgades
[05:47] <kensai> tseng: but your right
[05:47] <eclipse> kensai, i only want x.org not gnome 2.9.1
[05:48] <eclipse> can i do that?
[05:48] <mirak> yes
[05:48] <mirak> wait
[05:48] <mirak> I have just done something similar
[05:48] <eclipse> mirak, i can do that?
[05:49] <kensai> eclipse: well it is almost possible almost imposible
[05:49] <eclipse> kensai, what do u mean?
[05:49] <mirak> eclipse: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf you edit this file and add the line APT::Default-Release warty;
[05:50] <kensai> eclipse: youll need to work more by doing it but you can do it
[05:50] <eclipse> so all i have to do is edit 70debconf?
[05:50] <mirak> then you copy the appropriate source to hoary in sources.list
[05:50] <mirak> you had the hoary mirors in fact
[05:51] <mirak> then you do something like
[05:51] <mirak> apt-get -t hoary install "thenameofthepackagewithxorg"
[05:51] <kensai> eclipse: anyways the only problem with the new gnome is that you need to log out and in again to emty trash
[05:52] <mchang> greets
[05:52] <mirak> eclipse: I did that to install eclipse from a sid
[05:52] <kensai> eclipse,which isn't much of a prob
[05:52] <eclipse> well, i'm not going to upgrade to gnome 2.9
[05:52] <|trey|> mirak: can't do that, there are like 10 packages that pertain to xorg...
[05:52] <mchang> I've never used apt-proxy - any hints on what lines I should add to the conf file?
[05:53] <mirak> |trey|: they should be replaced then
[05:53] <eclipse> damn...this confusing
[05:53] <kensai> eclipse: take what trey says
[05:53] <eclipse> well, thnx kensai and mirak
[05:53] <|trey|> mirak: umm, why?
[05:53] <eclipse> gotta run now
[05:53] <mirak> |trey|: because of the deps !
[05:53] <thoreauputic> eclipse: basically, if you have to ask, I wouldn't
[05:54] <mchang> no takers?
[05:55] <Deurges> hello
[05:56] <Deurges> I'm getting the error "Error loading operating system" after installing ubuntu. The installation process was really smooth, but on reboot my computer wouldn't boot
[05:56] <Echylo> is your bootloader working?
[05:57] <Deurges> nope
[05:57] <LinuxJones> Deurges, sounds like grub got borked
[05:57] <Echylo> hmm
[05:57] <Deurges> I dont get any prompts at all
[05:57] <Echylo> Deurges, have you checked it would install your bootloader?
[05:57] <Deurges> just the Error loading operating system, which is a windows error
[05:57] <Echylo> Deurges, not necessary I guess
[05:57] <thoreauputic> Deurges: reset your BIOS to defaults - I've seen this happen when the BIOS is protected
[05:57] <Deurges> the installation went flawless, it supposedly installed everything
[05:58] <Echylo> do what thoreauputic said :)
[05:58] <LinuxJones> If I need to configure xorg in hoary the command would be dpkg-reconfigure xorg or something else ?
[05:58] <Deurges> ok... im trying it...
[05:59] <Challange> re
[05:59] <|trey|> LinuxJones: xserver-xorg
[05:59] <Challange> hi all
[05:59] <LinuxJones> |trey|, thanks
[05:59] <Deurges> no... doesnt help
[05:59] <mchang> anyone set up an ubuntu apt-proxy server?
[06:00] <Echylo> lemme think Deurges
[06:00] <Challange> can anybody help me with partitioning?
[06:00] <thoreauputic> Deurges: hmm  :(
[06:00] <|trey|> mchang: ahh, you still don't have that configured?  :(
[06:00] <britishseapower> unbuntu uses gnome...is that right? is there any way to use it with alternative WMs eg...fluxbox?
[06:00] <Echylo> yes
[06:00] <Echylo> install it ;)
[06:00] <mchang> |trey|, didn't bother yet... :)
[06:00] <thoreauputic> britishseapower: of course
[06:00] <Deurges> my mobo is an Asus p4pe, my primary HD is a seagate SATA disk running off the Promise 376 that is built in the mobo.
[06:00] <Challange> i need to make a new partition, but my mine uses all the space so I have to make itt smaller..
[06:00] <Challange> or whatever
[06:00] <mchang> |trey|, setting up the proxy first, then moving to debinst on usb key... should be a go soon.
[06:01] <|trey|> mchang: yay  :)
[06:01] <mchang> |trey|, and it will get written up, eventually :)
[06:01] <britishseapower> thoreauputic, sorry if this is a noobn question, i have booted the livecd of ubuntu and its V nice,fine on my desktop, but my laptop would stand no chance...its an IBM thinkpad 600
[06:01] <mchang> |trey|, the apt-proxy package has the debian stuff set up already... these lines look right to you?
[06:01] <Deurges> after searching google a little bit earlier today, I think it might be because some strange problem with CHS getting used instead of LBA
[06:01] <|trey|> mchang: post it to the wiki  :)   there is a document on there about how to submit it  :)
[06:01] <mchang> add_backend /ubuntu/                                    \
[06:01] <mchang>         $APT_PROXY_CACHE/ubuntu                         \
[06:01] <mchang>         http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[06:01] <|trey|> mchang: is very useful info  :)
[06:02] <mchang> add_backend /security/                                  \
[06:02] <mchang>         $APT_PROXY_CACHE/security/
[06:02] <mchang>         http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[06:02] <Deurges> but I cant force LBA on the drive in the bios, since the HD is connected to the promise controller
[06:02] <britishseapower> whats so special about ubuntu? I am a gentoo user on my other machines...thinking of jumping ship as gentoo can be a right hastle to install...
[06:02] <Deurges> and I don't see how I can change in the fasttrack configuration
[06:03] <mchang> Deurges, sometimes the fasttrack has it's own bios that will show up after the first POST.
[06:03] <Deurges> yeah mchang, but it only lets me set up the array, it doesnt let me manually put LBA
[06:04] <Deurges> at least I haven't found how
[06:04] <JDahl> britishseapower, it works beautifully without any configuration... I was thinking like you do, but I dont regret switching from debian/unstable for a second
[06:04] <bigtony> question: anyone know how to get an old isa networkcard to work with ubuntu ?
[06:05] <britishseapower> JDahl, well the livecd has worked beautifully on my desktop....must admit.
[06:05] <Chibi> Find drivers for it. :P
[06:05] <britishseapower> JDahl, didnt like my laptop though, and i cant get more than 1024x768 out of it...well i can but then i lose sound...wierd...suppose i need to take the plunge and put it on the HDD
[06:05] <JDahl> britishseapower, especially for home use - there I like all the bells and whistles to work (but I am not changing my work machine, I have to many critical applications already running on it)
[06:05] <bigtony> i assume just look at the card and do a search for the driver? makes sense didn't know if there was a command to type or something
[06:06] <counterfeitliver> can i burn a DVD iso the same way as a CDROM iso in nataulis?
[06:06] <britishseapower> JDahl, it would be better for me if it wasnt gnome, dont like gnome...its too heavy
[06:06] <lrn> I can`t install Kde on my system
[06:06] <mirak> yes
[06:07] <mirak> me either
[06:07] <britishseapower> got to admit, it seemed to configure the printer...and i was like wow, this is gonna print in linux without 3 weeks of hastle...then it didnt...not in firefox at least :-(
[06:07] <mirak> lrn: there is a trick but it's complicated
[06:07] <JDahl> britishseapower, I am sure that will help. My homemachine is an IBM t40p, and ubuntu managed to get more features working correctly that I had in unstable - without a homebuild kernel... amazing
[06:07] <lrn> how?
[06:07] <|trey|> lrn: add universe... apt-get install kde-core
[06:07] <lrn> i have it
[06:08] <mirak> it doesn't work |trey|
[06:08] <|trey|> mirak: hmm, why?
[06:08] <mirak> well you can install a base kde
[06:08] <mirak> but not the full kde
[06:08] <mirak> at least I couldn't some days ago
[06:08] <lrn> http://www.pastebin.com/118935
[06:08] <lrn> here
[06:08] <lrn> |trey| http://www.pastebin.com/118935
[06:08] <mirak> because kdepasswd is missing
[06:08] <|trey|> mirak: atleast 2 kde maintainers are in here... would have thought they would ensure it would work...
[06:09] <Deurges> thoreauputic, any other ideas?
[06:09] <mirak> |trey|: apt-get instal kde
[06:09] <mirak> kde: Dpend: kdeaddons mais ne sera pas install
[06:09] <mirak>        Dpend: kdeutils mais ne sera pas install
[06:10] <mirak> some package are missing
[06:10] <lrn> |trey| http://www.pastebin.com/118935
[06:10] <lrn> |trey| http://www.pastebin.com/118935
[06:10] <lrn> |trey| http://www.pastebin.com/118935
[06:10] <mirak> lrn: don't do that
[06:10] <Rene_S> Does anyone know what all the Gnustep apps in the repository are for ?
[06:10] <|trey|> lrn: the packages that say depends blah but isn't going to be installed... apt-get those idividually and tell me the error...
[06:10] <britishseapower> what are the lowest specs for ubuntu
[06:10] <lrn> damn it
[06:10] <britishseapower> or are there any tips for it on lowspec hardware
[06:11] <britishseapower> how is it at detecting wifi PCI cards.....
[06:11] <Rene_S> I dunno, but it detected my microwave yestrday :)
[06:12] <kensai> Rene_S: LOL
[06:12] <ynef> britishseapower: since ubuntu's a desktop distro, i might recommend you try something a "slimmer" for a low spec machine
[06:13] <Deurges> should I just try to use the XP repair console to rebuild my mbr?
[06:13] <britishseapower> ynef, will it run on 128mb ram?
[06:14] <ynef> britishseapower: probably, but i guess that it'll be pretty slow
[06:14] <Sepero> british: you might want to try archlinux
[06:14] <britishseapower> Sepero, ok i will check it out
[06:14] <kensai> britishseapower: you might want to try ubuntu with xfce installed
[06:16] <britishseapower> Sepero, i need basically a solution for student pcs at a language school, the pcs run 98 at the moment and are constantly getting viruses and what not...i would like to turn the 4 machines into basci browsing terminals (maybe give them GAIM for IM as well), and i must have sshd on them so i can remotely administrate...all the nics in them are el cheapo, wifi PCI..and i wont be there to install it, need to do it over the phone and
[06:16] <britishseapower>  remtoe!
[06:16] <webmaven_> I'm looking for a desktop RSS aggregator for Ubuntu.
[06:16] <mirak> hem in fact ubuntu doesn't install a full gnome desktop isn't it ?
[06:16] <webmaven_> I like Straw, but it doesn't seem to be available.
[06:16] <Twiggy> How do I set the root pass after an install?
[06:16] <britishseapower> kensai, thats sounds good, i like xfce4, can i do that install remotely...
[06:17] <Sepero> passwd root
[06:17] <Sepero> sudo passwd root
[06:17] <webmaven_> I've installed Liferea, but it doesn't seem to work right.
[06:17] <mirak> sudo apasswd root
[06:17] <Sepero> sorry :)
[06:17] <mirak> or sudo -s
[06:17] <Twiggy> ahhh
[06:17] <mirak> to have a root consol
[06:17] <Twiggy> thanks
[06:18] <webmaven_> Does anyone have a recommendation? My preference would be installing Straw.
[06:19] <im_ka> good evening
[06:19] <Rene_S> RSSowl
[06:19] <mirak> in synaptic, what means the orange circle of people near some packages ?
[06:19] <sect2k> hi, i'm having some problems with nautilus-burn (or rather system as a whole) not detecting blank CDs, any insights?
[06:19] <Rene_S> Syndigator
[06:19] <shaver> sect2k: check the /etc/cdrecord.conf file, perhaps?
[06:19] <Rene_S> or Snow News if ya like ncurses
[06:19] <im_ka> "Texasinstrument PCI-1225 Card Bus Controller" <- that's a pcmcia card, isn't it?
[06:19] <Keybuk> mirak: it means it's an Ubuntu supported package
[06:19] <shaver> it's a card bus controller, not a card itself
[06:20] <mirak> Keybuk: ok
[06:20] <mirak> Keybuk: why isn't the gnome package not supproted by ubuntu ???
[06:20] <im_ka> shaver so i can plug in my pcmcia ethernet card if i buy that laptop, right?
[06:20] <thoreauputic> webmaven, evolution can do rss
[06:20] <Keybuk> mirak: it's just a meta-package
[06:20] <shaver> im_ka: I would presume so, yes
[06:20] <Keybuk> mirak: it contains no files, and just drags various other packages in via dependencies
[06:21] <mirak> ok
[06:21] <webmaven_> thoreauputic, Oh? What do I need to do?
[06:21] <Rene_S> Firefox can do rss too, just in tabs
[06:21] <mirak> Keybuk: can I install it ?
[06:21] <Keybuk> mirak: the supported set of GNOME packages are already depended on by ubuntu-desktop
[06:21] <Keybuk> mirak: if you like.
[06:21] <im_ka> ok it wasn't clear to me that pcmcia actually means pci card bus controller
[06:21] <webmaven_> Rene_S, I tried Sage, it didn't work the way I wanted it to.
[06:22] <britishseapower> how is ubuntus wifi support ? (specifically for el cheapo pci cards).
[06:22] <thoreauputic> webmaven, just aff your rss feeds in summary >> news feeds
[06:22] <thoreauputic> *add
[06:22] <Rene_S> WebMaven, Thunderbird can do RSS feeds if you download it from Mozilla
[06:23] <Rene_S> WebMaven, you add an account to it that says rss news and blogs
[06:23] <thoreauputic> webmaven, in settings >> preferences IIRC
[06:24] <thoreauputic> webmaven, in Evo, I mean
[06:25] <britishseapower> how is ubuntus wifi support ? (specifically for el cheapo pci cards). anyone shed any light?
[06:25] <webmaven_> thoreauputic, No such place in Evo 2, as far as I can tell.
[06:25] <webmaven_> Rene_S, Thunderbird, huh? I'll guve that a shot.
[06:26] <Rene_S> WebMaven, You set up your subscriptions with that, dunno what you need but you can look into that
[06:27] <Kal_Zakath> britishseapower : it's quite good as far as I know
[06:28] <britishseapower> Kal_Zakath, ok thanks...so if i booted a machine with a livecd it might find the nic and dhcp it for an IP ?
[06:29] <britishseapower> i am on a livecd now...can i install extra apps? (i assume not without anywhere for them to go)
[06:29] <sect2k> shaver: i'm kind of lost here, but CDR_DEVICE=yamaha, i don't have that a yamaha recorder
[06:29] <webmaven_> I'd still like to install Straw, if at all possible, but it isn't in universe.
[06:29] <Challange> can anybody help me?
[06:29] <Rene_S> WebMaven, check there website or google straw debian
[06:30] <Challange> i want to make a new size for my ext3 partition and make a new partition too
[06:30] <webmaven_> how will the debian package help? won't that just screw up the dependencies?
[06:30] <thoreauputic> webmaven, possibly in multiverse - don't know
[06:30] <tom_> Howdy -- I've just installed ubuntu and am trying to get my iomega drives running. dmesg | grep 'IOMEGA' shows the two drives as hdb and hdd, but mount -t vfat hdb /media/zip/ doesn't work (nor does hdb1 or hdb4): "special device /dev/hdd does not exist"
[06:30] <Challange> i donno how to resize a partition
[06:30] <Rene_S> WebMaven, chances are someone made a package because mepis has it in there distro
[06:30] <shaver> sect2k: yeah, I think you want to put your recorder info in there, and set CDR_DEVICE to the name you use for your recorder
[06:30] <webmaven_> multiverse?
[06:31] <thoreauputic> Rene_S: straw has some tricky dependencies
[06:31] <Kal_Zakath> britishseapower : can't tell you, but all my wireless nic have been detected and canfigured with ubuntu
[06:31] <webmaven_> Rene_S, In fact, I know there *is* a debian package, but I thought installing debial packages was a no-no.
[06:31] <tom_> sect2k: the bottom of the /etc/cdrom file has the key -- it shows what yamaha points to.
[06:31] <tom_> sect2k: ~s/cdrom/cdrecord/cdrecord
[06:31] <mirak> If I try to install gnome, it ask to remove ubuntu-desktop , is it ok to do that ?
[06:32] <webmaven_> thoreauputic, what is 'multiverse'?
[06:32] <Rene_S> WebMaven, I think if you add 3rd party apps it should be ok provided the deps arent gonna mess up any ubuntu packages
[06:32] <mirak> Keybuk: If I try to install gnome, it ask to remove ubuntu-desktop , is it ok to do that ?
[06:32] <britishseapower> Kal_Zakath, thats godo news...interesting
[06:32] <Rene_S> mirak, yes you can
[06:33] <thoreauputic> webmaven  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[06:33] <Rene_S> mirak, its a dummy package doesnt uninstall anything other than itself
[06:33] <thoreauputic> webmaven, add to sources.list
[06:33] <zenwhen> ubuntu-desktop should be named something like ubuntu-desktop-its-ok-to-remove-this
[06:34] <zenwhen> hey
[06:34] <zenwhen> is firefox 1.0 in any repo
[06:34] <zenwhen> ?
[06:34] <mirak> Rene_S: ok
[06:34] <Keybuk> mirak: sure, but it means when you upgrade to hoary later it won't automatically install any new packages
[06:34] <sect2k> tom: there is no /etc/cdrom file
[06:34] <webmaven_> thoreauputic, added via Synaptic
[06:35] <tom_> sect2: I know -- I meant /etc/cdrecord/cdrecord
[06:35] <thoreauputic> webmaven_: OK - whatever works for you :)
[06:37] <sect2k> tom: it points to device 1,6,0 , but cdrecord -scanbus -dev=ATA reports my device as 0,0,0
[06:37] <Rene_S> WebMaven, whats wrong with liferea that it doenst work for ya, i just installed it and it runs fine
[06:38] <rapha> Hi all!
[06:38] <bigtony> i'm gonna ask a really stupid question so please laugh if you must: i downloaded off of driverguide.com a 3c509b driver for the isa nic that says its for linux but its an exe question how do i install it do i use wine?
[06:38] <tom_> sect2k: Okay, so you want to change it then to point to 0,0,0. You can either change yamaha or create another line with a different name and then put that same name up top as CDR_DEVICE=newdevicename
[06:38] <rapha> Could somebody try going to ebay.de? Each time I try, firefox hangs...
[06:39] <tom_> rapha: no problem going to the page from here.
[06:39] <Rene_S> rapha,  works fine for me
[06:39] <sect2k> tom: did that, still doesn't work, asks for blank cd, but one is already in the drive
[06:39] <Rene_S> http://wohnen.ebay.de/
[06:40] <rapha> Wierd.
[06:40] <rapha> Do you guys have flash installed?
[06:40] <sect2k> tom: also upon insterting a blank cd in the drive nothing happens
[06:40] <webmaven_> thoreauputic, apparently Straw isn't in multiverse either.
[06:40] <rapha> Hmm
[06:40] <Rene_S> rapha,  I do
[06:40] <thoreauputic> webmaven, :(
[06:40] <rapha> Really wierd
[06:40] <rapha> wohnen.ebay.de starts loading then also hangs.
[06:41] <tom_> rapha: I don't -- I just installed, and about:plugins reveals that ubuntu includes no plugins by default.
[06:41] <Rene_S> Hmm try reinstalling firefox
[06:41] <sect2k> also automounting of CD doesn't work, it use to, but stoped at some point
[06:41] <tom_> sect2k: hrmph. That's not good.
[06:41] <rapha> tom_: Well I was just asking because this happens with some flash sites. But since Rene_S has flash installed...
[06:41] <thoreauputic> webmaven_: well, short of compiling it, you may be out of luck - and I would guess it's tricky to compile, judging by the dependencies etc
[06:41] <shaver> do you see this problem with a stock build from mozilla.org?
[06:42] <rapha> shaver: Well, I'm using the standard Ubuntu build.
[06:42] <shelldos> is it possible to install a distrubtion using vmware? install whole system to a virtual disk (file) ?
[06:42] <rapha> Sure she
[06:42] <rapha> Sure shelldos
[06:42] <shelldos> hmm
[06:42] <shelldos> How?
[06:42] <shaver> rapha: OK, it'd be interesting to see if that happens with a real 1.0 build
[06:42] <shelldos> I tried but it didnt really work
[06:42] <Rene_S> There is nothing wrong with the stock build of Firefox 1.0 from Mozilla
[06:43] <Rene_S> been using it since the 9th
[06:43] <sect2k> tom: tell me about it, it sucks, now i have to boot back to winxp just to burn cds
[06:43] <rapha> shaver: I'll go and download it right away
[06:43] <mirak> Keybuk: I am already in hoary
[06:43] <tom_> sect2k: so cdrecord -scanbus tells you 0,0,0.  What does dmesg tell you about your cdrom drive?
[06:44] <mirak> Keybuk: why can't gnome and ubuntu-desktop coexists ?
[06:44] <shelldos> rapha?
[06:44] <Keybuk> mirak: gnome probably depends on totem-xine
[06:45] <Keybuk> ubuntu-desktop depends on totem-gstreamer
[06:45] <bigtony> is there no way to install an exe of a driver? or anyone know where i can find the driver for a 3c509b isa card? as i mentioned i have on that is suppose to work but its in exe format :(
[06:45] <rapha> shelldos: Well, WHAT didn't really work?
[06:45] <webmaven_> Rene_S, Liferea doesn't seem to be able to import or export OPML properly.
[06:45] <sect2k> tom: runing dmesg by itself produces a list of SCSI errors, any special opitons just for cdrom?
[06:45] <supos> mirak: bigtony that card should be supported by default
[06:45] <shelldos> rapha: I used vidalinux iso image to boot with vmware. And I tried to install it, and it says no harddrives were found!
[06:45] <Rene_S> I think Ubuntu-desktop is more like 'guidelines'  click it make sure you have the basics
[06:45] <thoreauputic> bigtony: erm...exe is windows, this is LInux?
[06:46] <bigtony> well i can't get it to link
[06:46] <bigtony> thoreauputic: i know that
[06:46] <webmaven_> Rene_S, also, it crashes when I mouse over a mailto: link.
[06:46] <bigtony> i'm just going by what the driverguide.com said
[06:46] <tom_> sect2k: well, you can look at what it tells you about your cdrom by running dmesg | grep -i 'cdrom'
[06:46] <bigtony> it says linux/unix
[06:46] <Ninko> how do i change really specific preferences in GNOME, e.g., autohide delay for panels
[06:46] <rapha> shelldos: Then most likely your virtual machine isn't set up correctly, or permissions to your /dev/hd* files are insufficient.
[06:46] <gass> hi there
[06:46] <rapha> Ninko: Try the "gconf-editor" tool.
[06:46] <Ninko> okey dokey
[06:46] <sect2k> tom_: nothing
[06:46] <bigtony> supos any command to type to get it to link?
[06:47] <tom_> sect2k: Actually, scratch that -- run dmesg | grep -i 'cd'
[06:47] <rapha> Ninko: It's also in the menu under "System Tools" > "Configuration Editor".
[06:47] <gass> where can i find the packages, or a list of the packages shipped with ubuntu?
[06:47] <Ninko> and an opinion question: which font do you use in GNOME?
[06:47] <Ninko> rapha: i thought i had already checked through all the menus, but thanks
[06:47] <sect2k> tom_:still nothing
[06:47] <supos> bigtony: you sure the card is working, and that it is properly connected to the network
[06:47] <Rene_S> WebMaven, your right mine does it too
[06:47] <pisuke> Ninko bitstream vera ;-)
[06:47] <rapha> Ninko: np. And personally I'm using the "Bitstream Vera" fonts.
[06:48] <Ninko> ohhh is gconf-editor similar to regeit
[06:48] <thoreauputic> bigtony: maybe have a look for isapnptools
[06:48] <Ninko> haha ok
[06:48] <shelldos> rapha: when setting up a virtual machine.. should I chose scsi harddrive or ide?
[06:48] <thoreauputic> bigtony: apt-cache search isapnptools
[06:48] <bigtony> ok let me try and thanks
[06:48] <webmaven_> Rene_S, go to the 'Online Help' feed, select the 'Quickstart' posting, scroll down to the 'What do you think?' section, and mouse over the 'Mail me' link.
[06:48] <gass> does anyone know where to find the list of the packages shipped with ubuntu?
[06:48] <bigtony> the card works on a windows machine i tested it
[06:48] <rapha> shelldos: The same as your physical machine has, naturally.
[06:48] <tom_> sect2k: Are you sure you ran it right? It seems strange that nothing in dmesg had the letters "cd" in it.
[06:49] <Rene_S> WebMaven, eeks what a POS app this is turning out to be hehe
[06:49] <webmaven_> A feed reader that can't import subscriptions without hanging is pretty useless to me, I am not going to add 200 feeds back in manually.
[06:49] <sect2k> tom_: i copy / pasted, run with sudo also, nothing
[06:49] <bigtony> thoreauputic: i did the search and it found it install it now?
[06:50] <bigtony> << new to linux sorry
[06:50] <gass> jdub: do you know where to find the list of the packages shipped with ubuntu?
[06:50] <thoreauputic> bigtony: yeah, give it a try I guess
[06:50] <webmaven_> Rene_S, and it doesn't even *export* properly.
[06:50] <Ninko> i know it's almost sacreligious to the linux crowd, but i wanted to use redmond95/microsoft sans serif
[06:50] <Ninko> but since GTK uses the same font for all applications (including the message text in GAIM)...
[06:50] <bigtony> installing now
[06:50] <bigtony> will let you know and thanks
[06:51] <thoreauputic> no worries
[06:51] <webmaven_> How do I get Straw into warty? There is a debian package.
[06:51] <webmaven_> who do I talk to?
[06:51] <tom_> sect2k: Very odd. I'm pretty stuck at this point. I guess the ubuntu way to look would be to use the nice graphical interface to devices: Computer->System Configuration->Device Manager and see if it says anything about a CDROM
[06:51] <thoreauputic> bigtony: isa on linux can be a pain, I'm afraid
[06:51] <bigtony> question i installed it how do i get the tools to run? i tried isapnptools
[06:51] <rapha> WTF!!!
[06:51] <rapha> Now FireFox also hangs trying to download the latest FireFox!
[06:52] <webmaven_> there is no information on the site except a reference to an otherwise hidden 'Package Nomination Process', or some such.
[06:52] <bigtony> see whats funny is this though there is a driver as i stated on driverguide.com like 9 people say it works fine on linux but it doesn't appear to be a linux driver haha who knows
[06:52] <rapha> I'm gonna strace this fucker!
[06:52] <Ninko> =-o rapha: i just use debian unstable repository to download firefox
[06:52] <tom_> rapha: You could try moving your config files out of the way temporarily and see if that helps (~/.firefox, I believe)
[06:52] <rapha> Ninko: what's the URL of that?
[06:53] <webmaven_> sorry, I meant 'Package Selection Proposal' process.
[06:53] <sect2k> tom_: it list my cd-rw drive (LITEON), everything looks fine
[06:53] <rapha> tom_: good idea, but I'd first like to see if it's version related. I can use links for the download.
[06:53] <Ninko> oh yeah, is there really a big difference between packages with "ubuntu" in their version names and normal debian packages?
[06:53] <sect2k> tom_: thanks for your help, I guess i'm off to bugzilla to report a bug
[06:53] <Ninko> rapha: ummm you don't use synaptic?
[06:53] <Rene_S> WebMaven, in your apt-sources.list file add multiverse
[06:53] <rapha> Ninko: Yes I do, but a URL is still needed.
[06:53] <Ninko> rapha: http://http.us.debian.org/debian
[06:53] <rapha> Thanks.
[06:53] <Ninko> iirc
[06:53] <Rene_S> WebMaven,  you can get straw from tehre
[06:54] <Ninko> oops i forgot debian stuff wasn't there by default :)
[06:54] <Ninko> sorry
[06:54] <rapha> :-)
[06:54] <labanux> why i can't shutdown my Ubuntu?
[06:54] <webmaven_> Rene_S, I *did* add multiverse.
[06:54] <labanux> i've run halt -p command
[06:54] <labanux> then the system show shutdown message
[06:54] <Rene_S> WebMaven,  apt-get update
[06:55] <Rene_S> WebMaven,  :)
[06:55] <labanux> but.., then it's stalled
[06:55] <Quazion> any gui tools to burn an iso ?
[06:55] <Chibi> k3b
[06:55] <labanux> and doesn't
[06:55] <Chibi> :o
[06:55] <labanux> and doesn't get power off
[06:55] <webmaven_> Rene_S, does adding multiverse through Synaptic not work?
[06:55] <labanux> is there something wrong with my ubuntu?
[06:55] <tom_> Quazion: I think that burning an ISO should theoretically be possible/simple from nautilus, but I've never done it.
[06:55] <Rene_S> WebMaven,  yeah, but you need to update it
[06:55] <thoreauputic> webmaven_: you need to run reload/refresh
[06:55] <sect2k> Quaizon: right click on iso file, select write to disc
[06:56] <Quazion> Chibi, oke thats needs kde, too much...
[06:56] <Chibi> I know. :/
[06:56] <Quazion> sect2k, nice i shall try :)
[06:56] <Ninko> what are some good cd-burning tools in linux....last time i tried gnome's write cd feature in nautilus, it just sort of hung
[06:56] <Chibi> It's the best unix has got, though. :/
[06:56] <Ninko> and i'm not used to using cdrecord
[06:56] <kent> Nink, k3b?
[06:56] <Ninko> ok...
[06:56] <Quazion> i think i will use cdrecord if nautilus disappoints me :)
[06:57] <agsansoo> Ninko - k3b
[06:57] <tom_> Ninko: If you like a convenient commandline tool, I highly recommend the "burn" python script. It works pretty magically and can handle most of what I'd want to do.
[06:57] <Ninko> i'm not uncomfortable with command-line but i prefer gui for ease of use and for my family to use it easily (i'm an immigrant from windows!)
[06:57] <webmaven_> Rene_S, thoreauputic, ok, running Reload.
[06:57] <sect2k> Quazion: nautilus is cool for burning data CDs, DVDs and iso images, anything else is not possible ATM
[06:58] <webmaven_> Rene_S, thoreauputic, no difference. Still no Straw.
[06:58] <Rene_S> Hmm
[06:58] <labanux> is there some on can help me..??
[06:58] <labanux> why i can't shutdown my Ubuntu?
[06:58] <labanux> i've run halt -p command
[06:58] <labanux> then the system show shutdown message
[06:58] <Quazion> sect2k, nice i will try once i get an iso of my smb share :)
[06:58] <labanux> but.., then it's stalled
[06:58] <Ninko> okay, thanks for all the help =) much faster and more personable responses than the forums, haha
[06:58] <tom_> Ninko: looking through aptitude, I see "eroaster" and "xcdroast". eroaster says it supports direct burning of ogg or mp3 -> audio, which is pretty nice (similar to what the burn script does, but with a gui)
[06:58] <Rene_S> WebMaven,  did you add multiverse to the same line as universe ?
[06:59] <Ninko> see you later
[06:59] <labanux> and doesn't get power off
[06:59] <thoreauputic> labanux: try sudo shutdown -h now
[06:59] <webmaven_> Rene_S, no, I added a new line.
[06:59] <labanux> ok i'll try it
[06:59] <fga> can someone tell me how to customize gnome menu ?
[06:59] <Rene_S> WebMaven,  try that i do that and it found it,
[07:00] <Rene_S> Straw 0.25.1
[07:01] <webmaven_> Rene_S, are you on Warty or Hoary?
[07:01] <Rene_S> both
[07:02] <Rene_S> but i did multiverse on warty only
[07:02] <webmaven_> I'm using Warty, I don't know what I could be doing wrong.
[07:04] <mirak> how do I avoid this error ? No volume control elements and/or devices found.
[07:04] <Rene_S> oh my bad its in hoary
[07:04] <Quazion> sect2k, thanks seems to work perfectly :)
[07:04] <Rene_S> crap
[07:04] <webmaven_> Rene_S, oh, ok, I'm not insane then.
[07:04] <Rene_S> WebMaven, sorry dude, i messed that up by not looking first
[07:05] <HWolf> I am dying to upgrade to hoary, but I'm waiting. I want to worst breakage with X resolved before I go. :-)
[07:05] <webmaven_> OK, so How do I get Straw into warty?
[07:05] <HWolf> warty is closed, isn't it?
[07:06] <agsansoo> Where can I get the Kernel-source package for 2.6.8.1-2-386 ?
[07:06] <Rene_S> straw_0.25.1-2_i386.deb  do a google search its in debian unstable
[07:06] <HWolf> agsansoo, it's in the repostories.
[07:06] <Rene_S> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl
[07:06] <webmaven_> is it *safe* to add the debian package?
[07:06] <Rene_S> should be
[07:06] <HWolf> maven, sure is.
[07:06] <Chibi> Ubuntu is debian. :P
[07:07] <HWolf> Pretty much, yeah.
[07:07] <webmaven_> I thought mixing packages from debian was a non-no.
[07:07] <HWolf> Exept ubuntu does the polish and the marketing right. :-)
[07:07] <agsansoo> It's not 2.6.8
[07:07] <Chibi> It's not recommended because debian sucks. :o
[07:07] <Chibi> Hehe
[07:07] <webmaven_> HWolf, I don't speak Polish. ;-)
[07:07] <tom_> Chibi: Sure thing! Just finished installing my own debian package or my own recipe app on my fresh ubuntu box.
[07:07] <HWolf> Neither do I.
[07:08] <webmaven_> Rene_S, ok, I'll giv that a try.
[07:08] <Chibi> apt checks dependancies. If it's not going to work, it won't install it.
[07:09] <mirak> I get this error "No volume control elements and/or devices found." when running gnome-volume-control
[07:09] <rapha> Okay. Firefox 1.0 is severely broken here.
[07:09] <HWolf> OMG, I got a responce to my rant to ATI about their sucky drivers. :-)
[07:09] <HWolf> (6)
[07:10] <sabdfl> rapha: on hoary?
[07:10] <rapha> sabdfl: Still on Warty.
[07:10] <rapha> the 1.0 is the one I got from mozilla.org
[07:10] <sabdfl> ah
[07:10] <rapha> .tar.gz
[07:10] <tom_> rapha: I hope you just moved it -- no need to delete :)
[07:11] <rapha> tom_: sure :)
[07:11] <rapha> Not gonna throw all my bookmarks and passwords away...
[07:11] <Chibi> rapha- The official mozilla build it for /opt or /home install. :/
[07:11] <shaver> we what?
[07:11] <rapha> But after moving ~/.mozilla away it is even more broken.
[07:11] <webmaven_> Rene_S, ok, downloaded the package, how do I get Synaptic to see it?
[07:11] <rapha> This situation needs to be remedied.
[07:11] <Chibi> Did you have any plugins in it?
[07:11] <shaver> rapha: what is "broken", exactly?
[07:11] <marcdm> Hail to all in the land of Ubuntu channel
[07:11] <Espectro> hey i solicited some CD's some weeks ago, but i haven't got contacted in the email, and the faq said to login to the page to see if it has shipped, and i did but saw nothing
[07:11] <Rene_S> WebMaven, open a terminal
[07:12] <rapha> sabdfl: Just got the Hoary package list into Synaptic; no Firefox 1.0 there
[07:12] <marcdm> I have given up on trying to install ubuntu the regular way
[07:12] <Rene_S> WebMaven, goto where you downloaded the file
[07:12] <Espectro> how do i know if my order has been shipped?
[07:12] <marcdm> I need help.... I want to bypass the installation of initrd-tools during the installation process
[07:12] <rapha> shaver: Well, before moving my prefs away "Opens a window, none of the controls being accessible" and now "Does not even open a window, just the name of one showing up in the taskbar for a microsecond every second or so"
[07:12] <webmaven_> Rene_S, ok.
[07:12] <marcdm> is this possible?
[07:13] <rapha> rapha@proactivity:~ $ sudo firefox
[07:13] <rapha> Error: No running window found
[07:13] <rapha> auto selected locale: en-US
[07:13] <rapha> *** nsExtensionManager::_disableObsoleteExtensions - failure, catching exception so finalize window can close
[07:13] <Rene_S> WebMaven, then type sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[07:13] <shaver> don't sudo
[07:13] <shaver> just unpack it as yourself
[07:13] <shaver> and run it as yourself
[07:13] <shaver> and see if it works
[07:14] <webmaven_> Rene_S, shaver, should I use sudo or not?
[07:14] <marcdm> hmmm, I hate walking into a room where I know no-one.
[07:14] <shaver> I was talking to rapha
[07:14] <shaver> about firefrox
[07:14] <shaver> firefox
[07:14] <webmaven_> shaver, ah, OK.
[07:14] <Rene_S> WebMaven, you have to dpkg only works as root
[07:14] <thoreauputic> webmaven, you need sudo to run dpkg -i
[07:14] <marcdm> Hey out there. Can someone please tell me who to bother with my Ubuntu install problem ?
[07:14] <rapha> shaver: I've moved away /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/* now, redid the installation and it works :) -- thanks
[07:15] <webmaven_> Rene_S, Aha, had to exit synaptic.
[07:15] <Rene_S> WebMaven, hehe i do that all the time
[07:15] <tom_> Grargh -- can anyone explain why dmesg shows my IOMEGA ZIP drives at hdb and hdd, but neither /dev/hdb nor /dev/hdd exist?
[07:15] <rapha> shaver: But what's that green arrow icon to the right of the "Help" menu?
[07:16] <shaver> rapha: for checking for updates
[07:16] <tom_> There must be something in udev I don't understand :(
[07:16] <marcdm> tom_: do you know of a way to remove initrd-tools from the ubuntu install?
[07:16] <rapha> shaver: It only appears when I run as `rapha', but not when I run it as root.
[07:16] <rapha> shaver: And it doesn't do anything
[07:16] <shaver> don't run it as root
[07:16] <webmaven_> Rene_S, thanks! it works and importes the OPML correctly.
[07:16] <shaver> well
[07:16] <shaver> don't run it via sudo
[07:16] <lamont_r> hi ironwolf
[07:16] <Rene_S> WebMaven, ill send ya my bill in the mail
[07:16] <shaver> you end up with root using your homedir
[07:16] <tom_> marcdm: Why would you want to do that?
[07:17] <shaver> and your profile gets bad ownerships and permissions
[07:17] <rapha> shaver: Well, I just tried. I'm pretty well aware what I should and shouldn't do with a program when it is running as root.
[07:17] <marcdm> tom_: well, the last 12 times I tried to install it failed installing that
[07:17] <rapha> Oh, now I know what you mean
[07:17] <shaver> I'm talking about firefox, specifically, and what it does based on the environment
[07:17] <rapha> sudo chown -R rapha:users .mozilla/
[07:17] <webmaven_> Rene_S, uninstalling Liferea now.
[07:17] <rapha> shaver: That also got me rid of the green icon.
[07:17] <Ninko> hello again
[07:17] <rapha> Now let's see if eBay works...
[07:17] <rapha> Nope.
[07:18] <Rene_S> WebMaven, yeah thats nothing but a hunk of crap in my opinion
[07:18] <shaver> what page?
[07:18] <rapha> shaver: FireFox 1.0, default mozilla.org release, still hangs at loading ebay.de
[07:18] <Ninko> alright, now i'm running ubuntu instead of windows :) and i can't find the setting for gnome-panel's autohide delay in gconf-editor
[07:18] <marcdm> tom_ : I've tried various combinations of cds and cd-rom drives. I've changed RAM, but not hard drive.
[07:18] <webmaven_> Rene_S, makes no sense for Lifrea to be in Warty but not Straw.
[07:18] <rapha> Ninko: Then there might not be one for that. But since this ISN'T Windows, you are free to go and change the source code!
[07:18] <shaver> rapha: like, the UI locks up?
[07:18] <Rene_S> rapha, did you do something funny to your linux ?
[07:19] <webmaven_> Especially since Straw is written in Python.
[07:19] <marcdm> tom_: I've verified the md5sum of the iso and the CD on 2 different machines.
[07:19] <rapha> shaver: Yes.
[07:19] <shaver> rapha: or the page just doesn't load quickly?
[07:19] <marcdm> it still fails in the same place
[07:19] <rapha> Rene_S: Nope. Not to my knowledge.
[07:19] <shaver> rapha: does it unlock if you wait?
[07:19] <shaver> or is it permanent?
[07:19] <rapha> shaver: I waited for, like, 10 minutes.
[07:19] <shaver> hrm
[07:19] <Rene_S> rapha, thats just odd
[07:19] <shaver> what plugins do you have installed, if any?
[07:19] <rapha> And Metacity says the window doesn't respond when I click the close button.
[07:19] <shaver> (check about:plugins)
[07:19] <thoreauputic> Ninko: I don't think you need gconf for that - you can change it in properties for the panels IIRC
[07:19] <tom_> marcdm: Sounds bad. But I think your solution will be figuring out why/how it's failing -- look for any error messages you see. You can't really get a working system without the initrd stuff.
[07:19] <Ninko> rapha: http://www.fifi.org/doc/gnome-panel-data/html/panel/C/globalpanelprefs.html  <-- there's no menu like that in ubuntu?
[07:20] <rapha> QuickTime Plug-in 6.0, Windows Media Player Plugin are supported by mplayerplug-in
[07:20] <kent> is there a way to make ubuntu reconfihure the network?
[07:20] <ironwolf> hi lamont
[07:20] <Ninko> thoreauputic: no, there's only an option to enable autohide; no option for delay time
[07:20] <nomasteryoda> kent, sudo network-admin ?
[07:20] <rapha> Ninko: That control center is VEEERY old.
[07:20] <marcdm> tom_: I checked the virtual terminal 3 and it doesn't say anything more than what the installer said
[07:20] <marcdm> nothing.
[07:20] <thoreauputic> Ninko: ah, I see
[07:20] <Ninko> rapha: haha, okay, but it still has auto-hide delay!
[07:21] <shaver> rapha: can you remove those plugins and see if it hangs?
[07:21] <Ninko> i can't find that setting anywhere....does gnome even support it any more? it should
[07:21] <kent> nomasteryoda, welll, i thought maybe there is a non-gnome way?
[07:21] <marcdm> tom_: what I'm wanting to know is if there is some other way to install ubuntu apart from the CD
[07:21] <Rene_S> only thing on ebay.de i recognize is cool bikini's
[07:21] <rapha> shaver: Yes, a second
[07:21] <shaver> I can't reproduce the hang here
[07:21] <HWolf> *g* Actually, I got a personal responce from ATI. :-)
[07:21] <Rene_S> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44448&item=5331305237&rd=1#ebayphotohosting
[07:22] <Ninko> hmmmm bitstream vera is nice :) but i was trying to avoid having to use antialiasing
[07:22] <Ninko> for some reason i don't like antialiasing...probably all that time in win98
[07:22] <Rene_S> i dont like autohinting on fonts
[07:22] <rapha> Ninko: In gconf-editor, go to apps/panel/profiles/defailt/toplevels/<the panel you want to change>/ and find there "hide_delay".
[07:22] <Rene_S> something about rainbow color fonts that turns me oof
[07:23] <Ninko> whoa! thanks rapha
[07:23] <Ninko> guess i'm super n000b
[07:24] <rapha> No problem Ninko :-) ... the gconf system does take a little getting used to.
[07:25] <Rene_S> Dear ATI User, Sorry our drivers suck, please goto www.nvidia.com and check out there quality products, thanks for shopping ATI
[07:25] <netmonk> anyone with advise on suspend for toshiba laptop, with suse i used 'echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep' but with Ubuntu the srean just goes blank for a second and then comes back again. any ideas?
[07:26] <Ninko> yeah i just don't have a feeling of where to actually look for values
[07:26] <Ninko> thanks :)
[07:26] <tom_> netmonk: Don't know much, but you can Ctl-Alt-arrow over to the virtual screen where suspend does its thing and see what error messages are there. Often there's a problem module or something that needs to be removed to fix it.
[07:26] <Piovra> hi
[07:27] <nonajme> hi Piovra
[07:27] <Ninko> k3b is for kde....is there a better gnome gui cd burning tool?
[07:28] <rapha> shaver: Okay, seems to be related to the mplayerplug-in. I tried with a startrek.com video. But why is this? mplayerplug-in has always worked; I specifically installed it for startrek.com.
[07:28] <pdaoust> Ninko: there's a reason people recommend k3b so often.... there's not really anything great for GNOME.
[07:28] <nomasteryoda> kent: yea there is
[07:28] <shaver> rapha: I don't know
[07:28] <Ninko> hahaha thanks
[07:28] <Ninko> seeya later
[07:28] <pdaoust> Ninko: nautilus-cd-burner works okay for basic burning, but dat's about it :)
[07:28] <nomasteryoda> kent, gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[07:28] <shaver> rapha: I don't know enough about mplayer plugin
[07:28] <pdaoust> oh, he's gone
[07:29] <rapha> shaver: Okay, thanks anyway
[07:29] <Piovra> a little question, i have xorg on my hoary...i don't find xcompmgr for transparency....what package i must install?
[07:31] <rapha> shaver: Hmm wait... I _thought_ I had it. But after removing the mplayerplug-in, ebay still does not load :-/
[07:31] <punkass> Piovra: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[07:31] <punkass> has to be in your sources list
[07:31] <shaver> rapha: what's in about:plugins now?
[07:31] <Piovra> cooooool :)
[07:31] <nomasteryoda> rapha, is it flash?
[07:31] <Piovra> thanks punkass
[07:31] <rapha> shaver: Just flash, which I had overseen before. But macromedia.com works just fine.
[07:31] <punkass> no prob
[07:32] <shaver> not all flash pokings are alike
[07:32] <shaver> but this sounds like something more odd
[07:32] <rapha> Okay, about:plugins is empty now and it STILL doesn't work.
[07:32] <nomasteryoda> my ebay.de page has error rendering the header graphic... the guy's head is chopped off
[07:32] <shaver> OK
[07:33] <shaver> can you file that bug in bugzilla.mozilla.org?
[07:33] <nomasteryoda> rapha, you need the null plugin
[07:33] <rapha> shaver: Okay
[07:33] <rapha> nomasteryoda: Yeah well, I'm not dumb :-) -- I left that one in
[07:33] <shaver> thanks
[07:33] <nomasteryoda> ok
[07:33] <nomasteryoda> just checkn
[07:33] <Piovra> ok boys...i try transparency, see you later
[07:33] <shaver> you don't need the null plugin, really
[07:33] <Piovra> bye
[07:33] <rapha> If it helps:
[07:33] <rapha> read(33, "# This file contains user readab"..., 131072) = 853
[07:33] <rapha> close(33)                               = 0
[07:33] <rapha> munmap(0x43b34000, 131072)              = 0
[07:33] <rapha> socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_TCP) = 33
[07:33] <rapha> getpid()                                = 30297
[07:33] <rapha> bind(33, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(793), sin_addr=inet_addr("0.0.0.0")}, 16) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
[07:33] <rapha> connect(33, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(111), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16
[07:34] <rapha> OH!
[07:34] <rapha> Permission denied
[07:34] <rapha> Sounds as if I still had the problem with running it as root.
[07:35] <shaver> that doesn't really help, but I do wonder why it's trying to bind to 793
[07:35] <rapha> But then again, no.
[07:35] <rapha> su
[07:35] <rapha> ********
[07:35] <rapha> firefox
[07:35] <rapha> ebay.de
[07:35] <shaver> no
[07:35] <rapha> Also doesn't work.
[07:35] <rapha> Hmm
[07:35] <shaver> running as root with your env will corrupt your profile
[07:35] <shaver> I keep trying to tell you that
[07:35] <rapha> I just installed a new ADSL router. Had a plain modem before...
[07:35] <Chibi> Whee. ::prays that the dist-upgrade doesn't break computer today, isn't in the mood to re-install.
[07:35] <rapha> shaver: I amended my environment
[07:36] <nico_> hi
[07:37] <nico_> i'm considering switching to ubuntu from debian sid. how do i do that best, e.g. how much trouble do i have to expect when i just "switch" the apt sources.list?
[07:37] <rapha> (shaver: "su -" shouldn't leave any of my `rapha' environment intact iiru?)
[07:38] <Chibi> nico_ - It's been quite random
[07:38] <ironwolf> Synaptics touch pad on a Sager laptop, I can use the buttons, but not tapping the pad for left click.  Any clues how to remedy this?
[07:39] <pdaoust> whoa, that's weird -- has anybody ever had a problem with 'hald' not being started?
[07:39] <Chibi> nico_ - You'll /probably/ succeed, warty and sarge are almost the same other than gnome 2.8, and ubuntu-desktop
[07:40] <Rene_S> Does all xcompmgr do is make windows transparent ?
[07:40] <punkass> xcompmgr creates shawdows
[07:40] <pdaoust> Rene_S: no, you can also
[07:40] <punkass> transset does the transparency
[07:40] <pdaoust> beat me to it
[07:40] <Chibi> Rene_S- It can also do shadows, fade in/out
[07:40] <punkass> hehe
[07:41] <Chibi> Fade in/out is my favorite function of it. :P
[07:41] <Rene_S> ah .  I dont need invisible desktop items that bad then, I am already blind :)
[07:41] <nico_> Chibi: ok, thanks, as soon as i find some spare time (and i'm brave enough) i'll give it a try. i tested ubuntu last week, and i'm really impressed, good work guys!
[07:41] <pdaoust> Rene_S: I think xcompmgr, run without shadows, also double-buffers the screen or something funky like that -- the advantage of this is, when you move a window across the screen, the windows underneath don't get redrawn. It's very slick (as long as you have 2D hardware acceleration)
[07:42] <pdaoust> hey folks, do you have any idea why hald isn't running when I start the computer? I had to start it manually
[07:42] <Chibi> Hald sucks. :P
[07:42] <pdaoust> ?!?
[07:42] <pdaoust> I think it rocks
[07:42] <Rene_S> pdaoust, thanks for the info
[07:42] <pdaoust> (when it works -- I never did get Project Utopia to work with Gentoo)
[07:42] <pdaoust> Rene_S: hey, no prob!
[07:43] <tom_> BTW, I got some help in #debian and got my iomega drive working: I had to modprobe ide-floppy (I'll add it to /etc/modules now)
[07:43] <punkass> pdaoust: i thought thats what xDamage did?
[07:43] <punkass> the window redrawing thing
[07:44] <pdaoust> punkass: now I'm not quite sure (actually, as I pressed Enter I had a shadow of a doubt)
[07:45] <pdaoust> punkass: I thought XDamage only helped out with things like VNC and remote X sessions...
[07:45] <Rene_S> the rest of the instructions for xcomp are on the wiki then ?
[07:45] <punkass> could be...tho i am not sure either :)
[07:46] <pdaoust> punkass: I guess it was just so bloody fast that I never even noticed redraws, even tho they were there
[07:46] <punkass> xcompmgr --help should tell you what u need to know
[07:46] <pdaoust> whatever does it, it rocks :)
[07:46] <punkass> or: man xcompmgr
[07:46] <punkass> hehe
[07:46] <pdaoust> if only it worked... I seem to be missing the gdk dev libraries that xcompmgr needs to compile
[07:47] <pdaoust> is there a Debian package for xcompmgr somewhere, that anyone knows about?
[07:47] <punkass> yeah there is one here
[07:47] <punkass> one sec
[07:47] <punkass> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[07:47] <punkass> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ transset/ <<<this will be coming sometime soon too
[07:48] <pdaoust> punkass: rockin' -- thanks!
[07:48] <punkass> no prob
[07:49] <pdaoust> punkass: sorry to bother you again, but I'm really new to the Debian world -- can I use this link you sent me as an apt repository, and if so, what do I use as the 'distribution' string?
[07:49] <punkass> URI: http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/
[07:50] <punkass> Dis: xcompmgr/
[07:50] <punkass> Section: leave it empty
[07:50] <pdaoust> cool. Thanks!
[07:50] <punkass> np
[07:50] <pdaoust> I assume transset is set up similarly?
[07:50] <punkass> yup
[07:50] <cenerentola> is it safe to use hoary universe?
[07:50] <punkass> i would assume as safe as using hoary in general :)
[07:51] <punkass> since hoary is a development release anyways
[07:52] <cenerentola> punkass: so explain me the difference between them
[07:52] <punkass> well warty is there stable release
[07:52] <punkass> the official hoary release will not be till april of 2005
[07:52] <rcaskey__> what package should I install for very basic c compilation tasks
[07:53] <punkass> so all packages from hoary are considered 'development'
[07:53] <punkass> so hoary is the latest greatest stuff..but it may cause more problems than warty
[07:53] <HWolf> Definatly so.
[07:53] <punkass> as they work out all the bugs etc
[07:53] <sanitario> ah, so *now* I get the release versions! *doh*
[07:54] <netmonk> does anyone know what in the world is '0000:00:1d.7'?
[07:54] <thoreauputic> rcaskey__: sudo apt-get install build-essential gcc g++ make automake
[07:54] <thoreauputic> rcaskey__: that should cover it
[07:55] <punkass> that should definatly cover it :)
[07:55] <sanitario> netmonk: try: lspci -b | grep 0000:00:1d.7
[07:55] <cenerentola> but is there any difference in hoary's and warty's multiverse?
[07:56] <sanitario> netmonk: a wild guess says it's the usb controller
[07:56] <netmonk> sanitario, it says 'spci command not found'
[07:56] <rcaskey__> gcc depends on build essentials
[07:57] <sanitario> netmonk: that should be lspci
[07:57] <sanitario> you missed the 'l'
[07:58] <netmonk> ic
[07:58] <netmonk> sanitario, you were right 0000:00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) USB2 EHCI Controller (re v 03)
[07:59] <ircleuser> I was wondering if it was possible to install ubuntu ppc to an external usb hard drive?
[07:59] <punkass> cenerentola: well they have different package lists for each..if the packages are different as well i am not sure
[07:59] <sanitario> it's good to right
[07:59] <punkass> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ you can click around here and few the packages and version for each
[07:59] <cenerentola> yeah but until sarge got officially released, i used its packages without problems...
[08:00] <Quazion> anyone an idea about how i can get some sort of notification in the panel when there is new mail in evolution ?
[08:01] <pdaoust> Quazion: don't think you can hook it specifically to evolution, but the GNOME e-mail checker panel can be configured for POP3, IMAP, and local mailboxes
[08:01] <pdaoust> Quazion: meant to say the GNOME e-mail checker panel *applet*
[08:01] <sanitario> anyone got problems with nautilus in hoary?
[08:01] <WW> pdaoust: So that would run as a separate app, polling the mail server?
[08:01] <Quazion> yeah, but when after evolution downloads the email, the pop3 account has no more new mail so the inbox monitor will go off again i guess
[08:02] <pdaoust> WW: that's right; it's just a little applet that sits in your panel -- no connection to Evo
[08:02] <Quazion> and i have multiple inboxxes, dont need 4 applets ;-)
[08:02] <cardador> sanitario: sudo apt-get install gamin
[08:02] <pdaoust> Quazion: ohhhhhhhh... that's right.
[08:02] <Quazion> maybe it just isnt there
[08:02] <cenerentola> sorry but will packages be added to warty repository or theyre freezed?
[08:02] <sanitario> cardador: yeah, I've done that... and removed fam...
[08:02] <pdaoust> Quazion: how about this: (sorry, it'll take a sec until I can see if it works)
[08:02] <Quazion> maybe i should write a feature request at the evolution coders :)
[08:03] <cardador> sanitario: is your nautilus still slow?
[08:03] <sanitario> cardador: actually, the problem is that when I go to Computer -> Disks
[08:03] <cardador> sanitario: what happens?
[08:03] <sanitario> I get Cd-rom%201.drive Filesystem.desktop Network.desktop etc
[08:04] <pdaoust> Quazion: here you go.... okay, in the Inbox Monitor prefs panel, under the Inbox Settings tab, you'll find
[08:04] <sanitario> and nautilus says it doesn't know how to handle those files
[08:04] <pdaoust> Quazion: Mailbox resides on: Local mailspool
[08:04] <pdaoust> Quazion: Mail spool file should point to /home/yourname/.evolution/mail/local/Inbox
[08:05] <punkass> should DMA be enabled for HDs and DVDroms etc?
[08:05] <Quazion> where do i find the local mailspool file settings, or is it default at the .evolution/mail.... file ?
[08:06] <Quazion> ah found it
[08:06] <Quazion> its in the settings of the inbox monitor
[08:06] <cenerentola> quazion:sorry but will packages be added to warty repository or theyre freezed?
[08:06] <pdaoust> Quazion: here's where it gets confusing; your local mailspool file is /var/spool/mail/yourname, but not if you're using Evolution
[08:06] <pdaoust> Quazion: Evolution has its own mailspool under ~/.evolution/mail/local/Inbox
[08:06] <cardador> sanitario: sorry cant help you. maybe post it in the forum/mail list?
[08:07] <sanitario> cardador: yeah, I probably should...
[08:07] <Quazion> pdaoust, i saw, i understand now. Thanks. still since evolution is the default client maybe they should change it
[08:07] <Quazion> cenerentola, i really have no idea.
[08:07] <counterfeitliver> how do I determine my ethernet cards MAC address?
[08:07] <pdaoust> Quazion: no kidding. I circumvented the whole mess by using maildirs and Courier-IMAP
[08:07] <cardador> sanitario: but it seems that your ubuntu instalation is not standard. maybe you mixed some repostories?
[08:08] <mdz> counterfeitliver: "ip link"
[08:08] <sanitario> cardador: how do you figure that?
[08:08] <mdz> cenerentola: no new packages will be added to Warty, it is released
[08:08] <counterfeitliver> mdz: thanks
[08:09] <cenerentola> mdz: i knew that...
[08:10] <mdz> cenerentola: then why did you ask it twice?
[08:10] <cenerentola> mdz: so hoary multiverse... is like a sarge non-free?
[08:10] <cenerentola> mdz: because i didnt understand what punkass said
[08:10] <cardador> sanitario: have you changed your repositories to non-ubuntu ones?
[08:10] <mdz> cenerentola: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/components/
[08:11] <cenerentola> mdz: so?
[08:13] <mdz> cenerentola: the answers to your questions are already on the website
[08:13] <cenerentola> mdz: i cant find the answer there...
[08:13] <mdz> Releases explains the release process, and Components explains what main/restricted/universe/multiverse are
[08:13] <cenerentola> mdz: thats not the first time i visit the website... since im translating it;)... maybe im just stupid
[08:15] <mdz> cenerentola: your question about updates to Warty is answered in the first section on the Releases page
[08:15] <mdz> cenerentola: your question about multiverse is answered in the very last section on the Components page
[08:15] <mdz> cenerentola: does that help?
[08:15] <cenerentola> mdz:.. sorry no..
[08:16] <cenerentola> mdz: all my questions arose, after i was asked how to install nvu
[08:16] <cenerentola> mdz: if a package is released today, and its stable... itll go in hoary's multiverse
[08:16] <sanitario> cardador: not for anything that should affect nautilus...
[08:17] <mdz> cenerentola: the component in which it will be placed depends on its license, and has nothing to do with its age or stability
[08:17] <mdz> I don't see what is unclear about the Components page
[08:17] <cenerentola> mdz: now...im not supposed to use hoary because in hoary are present things that could get my system "out of order", as happened yesterday
[08:18] <cenerentola> ok, lets make an example: a new multiverse package, that's bulletproof: there's no way to get it into warty's multiverse
[08:18] <mdz> cenerentola: you are free to run hoary if you are willing to accept the risk; I wouldn't say that you are not supposed to
[08:18] <cenerentola> even if its stable.. itll go with unstable packages
[08:18] <mdz> I think you have a different idea about what it means to be stable
[08:19] <cenerentola> mdz: now among those unstable packages, with my stable-new-package, there are lots of things that could break my system
[08:19] <mdz> when we talk about "stable" in Ubuntu, we are talking about the distribution as a whole
[08:19] <cenerentola> sorry ill do a practical example
[08:19] <mdz> everything is built and tested together
[08:19] <mdz> you cannot change one piece and say "this piece is stable"
[08:19] <mdz> because they are interdependent
[08:19] <cenerentola> but multiverse are not?
[08:20] <cenerentola> so how can i get latest multiverse?
[08:20] <mdz> by running hoary
[08:20] <mdz> multiverse is a part of Ubuntu
[08:20] <punkass> anyone using acroread?
[08:20] <mdz> it is not a separate thing
[08:20] <cenerentola>  so i cannot use a hoary's multiverse in warty?
[08:21] <cenerentola> so a package released after a release wont be usable in that release?
[08:21] <cenerentola> ...well wont be findable?
[08:21] <mdz> it is possible in general to install individual hoary packages on warty
[08:21] <gwildor_> if you use hoarys multiverse in warty, you will now be using hoary
[08:22] <mdz> cenerentola: once a release is made, obviously things which happen after the release are not part of the release
[08:22] <cenerentola> but using hoarys repository theres the possibility to accidentally install sth that could break my system
[08:22] <im_ka> how much would y'all pay for a 233mhz, 64mb ram, cdrom, fd, 12", pcmcia, soundcard... etc laptop in good condition, with bag???
[08:22] <cenerentola> mdz: i perfectly know what youre saying.. but i cant find it logical
[08:22] <mdz> there is warty, which has various components (main, restricted, universe, multiverse) and then hoary, which has components (main, restricted, universe, multiverse)
[08:23] <gwildor_> mdz, I think it being sofware makes it confusing, tell them to pretend its a car, if a new car comes out after you bought yours, your car doesn't turn in to it
[08:23] <Ruffian|JANE|> Riddle me this Batman, why is Ubuntu the best Distro?
[08:23] <Rene_S> Because its mean, lean and works
[08:23] <mdz> RuffianSoldier: try it and make that decision for yourself
[08:23] <Ruffian|JANE|> thats not even a riddle mister Ridler.  Its common sence!
[08:23] <cenerentola> is there a package search engine?
[08:23] <WW> Ruffian|JANE|: No.
[08:23] <Ruffian|JANE|> =)
[08:23] <im_ka> anyone?
[08:23] <mdz> cenerentola: synaptic
[08:23] <im_ka> how much would y'all pay for a 233mhz, 64mb ram, cdrom, fd, 12", pcmcia, soundcard... etc laptop in good condition, with bag???
[08:23] <WW> Ruffian|JANE|: "Best" is subjective.
[08:23] <a_> is a ubuntu user screwed if there is a security hole in a universe package that they need?
[08:24] <ReddoC> Hello ! I have a problem during installing Ubuntu on my home desktop. It 's seam to freeze at the start of the configuration script of Xfreee-server86-4.3.0..... I have an nvidia card. any idea ??
[08:24] <mdz> im_ka: that's not relevant to ubuntu
[08:24] <im_ka> mdz i thought i ask "my" community?
[08:24] <ReddoC> XServer-Xfree sorry
[08:24] <thoreauputic> mdz: chill - that's really pedantic
[08:25] <WW> Is #ubuntu-offtopic still out there?
[08:25] <gwildor_> im_ka, that's about 100-200 dollars, maybe more
[08:25] <im_ka> it's @ 101. 4 minutes left
[08:26] <mdz> im_ka, thoreauputic: there's no rule about off-topic chatter, but no need to push the issue if no one responds to an off-topic comment
[08:26] <im_ka> 101  which is about 101 $
[08:26] <gwildor_> im_ka, just go and get one from www.retrobox.com
[08:26] <Rene_S> Does anyone know how this xcompmgr thing works, I installed it, added the extensions section to my xorg file but i am not sure what happens after that
[08:26] <im_ka> i've been helping a lot of users on the ubuntu forums. i thought i can ask an "irrelevant" question
[08:27] <ReddoC> where is the ubuntu forums ?
[08:27] <punkass> you added Comosite  Enabled
[08:27] <Rene_S> yeah to my xorg config
[08:27] <punkass> then you have to run: xcompmgr --help
[08:27] <Rene_S> cool
[08:27] <punkass> that will tell you all the stuff you can do
[08:27] <Rene_S> thanks
[08:27] <punkass> no prob
[08:27] <im_ka> www.ubuntuforums.org
[08:28] <punkass> or u can just run xcompmgr for default settings
[08:28] <im_ka> 1 minute left :)
[08:28] <punkass> s/for/with/
[08:28] <a_> noone seems to be able to answer this: is a ubuntu user screwed if there is a security hole in a universe package that they need?
[08:28] <gwildor_> im_ka, take that deal
[08:28] <Rene_S> around 200 dollard cdn
[08:28] <Rene_S> around 200 dollars
[08:28] <cenerentola> mdz: sorry i was on the phone: what im trying to say is that if i upgrade synaptic repositories there's no way back
[08:28] <mdz> ReddoC: seems to freeze? does the entire system hang?
[08:29] <gwildor_> centerola, you can revert them
[08:29] <mdz> cenerentola: you asked if there were a package search faciilty. synaptic lets you search for packages.
[08:29] <counterfeitliver> im using an athlonXP 3000+, should I stick with the i386 kernel or install the 686 one (or K7?)
[08:29] <Rene_S> k7 one
[08:29] <cenerentola> mdz: but to search ive got tu update the packages list
[08:29] <punkass> is there a noticable difference between the k7 and i386?
[08:29] <ReddoC> no i don't realy freeze. i can break the command and carry on, but then i don't have a xserver
[08:30] <Rene_S> and dont forget the restricted mod too
[08:30] <mdz> cenerentola: not really; the warty package list is static, so you can search what you already have
[08:30] <ReddoC> When i try to install it via aptitude, i have the same problem
[08:30] <im_ka> i've got it for 133 euros. i hope i won't regret it :)
[08:30] <cenerentola> mdz: but if i add hoarys, some entry will get doubled
[08:30] <mdz> cenerentola: don't add hoary unless you want to run hoary
[08:31] <cenerentola> i want to run a program that is in hoary multiverse...
[08:31] <punkass> sounds like he just wants one or two packages out of hoarys multiverse
[08:31] <cenerentola> punkass: you got it
[08:31] <gwildor_> centerola, just add hoary, grab the app, then remove hoary, just understand that there is a risk
[08:31] <punkass> exactly what i was going to say
[08:32] <gwildor_> :)
[08:32] <cenerentola> gwildor: that was what i was trying to make mdz say
[08:32] <mdz> cenerentola: I don't recommend installing packages from hoary if you aren't running hoary
[08:32] <cenerentola> ...but this is not very user friendly
[08:32] <gwildor_> lol
[08:32] <Rene_S> ewww funky on defaults it full screened me
[08:33] <mdz> it is possible to have access to all warty and hoary packages at the same time, and yet not upgrade to hoary, but this is not a straightforward configuration and is only suitable for experienced users
[08:33] <cenerentola> that cuts warty's legs
[08:33] <gwildor_> cenerentola, RISK IS INVOLVED, it may break, it may not.....not really recommended, im a newb, id do it, but it only takes me about an hour to get my ssystem back to how I want it
[08:34] <cenerentola> yeah but im thinking of hominides
[08:34] <gwildor_> hominides?
[08:34] <Rene_S> Im on day 5 of a hoary install, it runs great so far,  keep in mind though i dont have any funky hardware or wifi or bluetooth stuff
[08:34] <gwildor_> yeah, I think im gonna go hoary tonite
[08:34] <cenerentola> yep the one that panic if the print icon changes position
[08:35] <WW> a_: Any official sounding answers yet? I'm guessing your options are (1) try getting just that package from hoary (following the current conversation :); (2) Get the updated source and compile it yourself; (3) Ignore it and hope the security risk is small.
[08:35] <mdz> cenerentola: people who panic if an icon changes position should run Warty.  Full stop.
[08:35] <gwildor_> quick question, Xorg will work with the default settings?, if my X breaks, I am screwed, and have to re-install
[08:36] <cenerentola> but if they need nvu?
[08:36] <mdz> gwildor_: so far, reports are very positive
[08:36] <mdz> cenerentola: then they wait
[08:36] <gwildor_> mdz, ill give it a wirl then
[08:36] <WW> a_: Or maybe (4) drum up enough community demand to have the package updated (?)
[08:36] <cenerentola> mdz: not very user friendly
[08:36] <gwildor_> centerola, just use mozilla composer for the time being, 6 months isnt too long
[08:37] <mdz> 3 months, on average
[08:37] <WW> Doh! a_ left.
[08:37] <mdz> cenerentola: your argument is not consistent
[08:37] <mdz> cenerentola: if the user needs stability and consistency, they don't want to install new and untested software
[08:37] <punkass> whats wrong with bluefish?
[08:38] <Rene_S> they dont taste the same as whitefish
[08:38] <punkass> hehe
[08:38] <aquarius> I'm running an up-to-date warty. Networking is started in rcS.d, but pcmcia doesn't start until rc2.d, meaning that my PCMCIA wireless network card isn't started on bootup (because it's not available when networking is started). How should I fix this?
[08:38] <Gavrila> hi all
[08:38] <cenerentola> nvu... is not untested
[08:38] <mdz> cenerentola: you have a choice between stability and newer software
[08:38] <thoreauputic> punkass: nothing wrong with it - but composer is easier for beginners
[08:38] <Gavrila> ciao cenerentola O_O
[08:38] <mdz> cenerentola: you cannot have both the latest software and a stable, well-tested system.  It simply doesn't work that way.
[08:38] <cenerentola> gavrila: ciao
[08:38] <Rene_S> nvu is ok, i just dont see much difference in that and composer or bluefish
[08:39] <punkass> i know but cenerentola wants nvu...but bluefish looks very similar
[08:39] <punkass> and its available in warty
[08:39] <cenerentola> ...i dont want anything.. its just an example..
[08:39] <gwildor_> bluefish is in warty?
[08:39] <punkass> oh..lol
[08:39] <cenerentola> :;)
[08:40] <NanoTek> hey all
[08:40] <punkass> oh i thought it was..maybe i am wrong
[08:40] <mdz> cenerentola: nvu, whatever it is, seems like a poor example, since it isn't packaged at all
[08:40] <mdz> not in warty, not in hoary, not in sid
[08:40] <gwildor_> punkass, I was asking, I may try it out
[08:40] <Rene_S> I know screem is, but i dont know anyone who uses it
[08:40] <thoreauputic> cenerentola: you have a choice, as always: use the available stuff, or take a risk and do some work
[08:40] <cenerentola> mdz: youve looked for it: didnt you
[08:40] <punkass> i am hoary now..so i am not sure
[08:40] <mdz> cenerentola: yes
[08:40] <gwildor_> punkass, lol, guess it doesn't really matter, im going hoary as soon as I get home
[08:40] <cenerentola> ;/
[08:40] <woody> can someone help me configure my sound card ?
[08:40] <punkass> its in hoary..
[08:41] <Gavrila> ok ppl I kno I'm gonna ask FAQs but please don't kick me away
[08:41] <punkass> pretty sure its in warty too
[08:41] <cenerentola> ok... NEW UBUNTULINUX TASK: testing software and set up a repository of tested software...
[08:41] <mdz> punkass: yes, screem is in warty
[08:41] <Rene_S> woody, what kind of sound card is it ?
[08:41] <cenerentola> so ill have my nvu: btw i, going to package it tonite
[08:41] <Gavrila> is universe the whole debian repository?
[08:41] <NanoTek> Did someone have a complete working TV card on ubuntu ? and espcially the TV 2000 Deluxe of winfast because i can't make working mine despite the fact that it works fine on Fedora with the same settings (modprobe bttv card=34 tuner=3 radio=0) thx
[08:41] <mdz> cenerentola: ok, I look forward to it
[08:41] <punkass> mdz: hehe..i was just going to say i like screem better
[08:41] <woody> It's a built-in sound card from a Intel 815 chipset
[08:42] <cenerentola> sorry i meanT NEW UBUNTULINUX ITALIA' TASK
[08:42] <Rene_S> woody, hmm I dont have any experience with those, perhaps some one else here does.
[08:43] <woody> The sounds are there but I can't open the Volume Control
[08:43] <mdz> woody: should work out of the box, what's wrong?
[08:43] <Rene_S> sofar xcompmgr gives me full screen apps
[08:43] <Rene_S> that in and of itself is nice
[08:44] <woody> How do I disable HotPlug during my boot up process ?
[08:44] <mdz> you should not do that
[08:44] <NanoTek> you cannot it is needed by devfs
[08:44] <mdz> that is how drivers are loaded for your hardware
[08:44] <woody> and how do I disable FreeNetV6 at startup ?
[08:44] <mdz> NanoTek: ubuntu does not use devfs during normal operation
[08:44] <mdz> woody: just don't install it
[08:44] <cardador> Rene_S: xcompmgr doesnt freeze X sometimes?
[08:45] <NanoTek> mdz, not devfs but ... (i can't remember its name)
[08:45] <dablitz> I was wondering if anyone here could tell me how to fix or remove samba, I cannot seem to install anything since I have samba as a broken package
[08:45] <mdz> NanoTek: udev?
[08:45] <aquarius> How can I add a new applet to the Gnome panel in the top right hand corner? There's no "panel background" there to click; it's all taken up with the notification area and the clock.
[08:45] <NanoTek> yeah
[08:45] <Rene_S> cardador, dunno only have been running it 10 mins and only on defaults
[08:45] <mdz> dablitz: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/2492 perhaps?
[08:45] <dablitz> ok thanks
[08:46] <Rene_S> cardador, I am an xcompmgr newbie
[08:46] <mdz> dablitz: this seems to be a problem caused by some software that is not in Ubuntu, can you help to track it down?
[08:46] <drew__> are there security updates for packages outside of main?
[08:46] <gen> rene_s: you are a new of everything, yes?
[08:46] <gen> hurr
[08:46] <gen> i said new hurr
[08:46] <dablitz> i would if I knew how
[08:46] <gen> you said knew hurr
[08:46] <sanitario> now evolution won't allow me to authenticate to my e-mail server...
[08:46] <gen> k im done
[08:46] <mdz> drew__: sometimes
[08:46] <mdz> drew__: http;//www.ubuntulinux.org/components/
[08:46] <Rene_S> new of everything ?  No, I am an expert in Windows.  I got diploma's on the wall
[08:46] <Gavrila> does ubuntu use devfs by default?
[08:46] <Rene_S> I also know about women
[08:47] <gen> expert and windows don't go together by the way
[08:47] <Rene_S> Linux however i am unsure of
[08:47] <gen> contradiction
[08:47] <khronic> Anyone had any success running Crossover Office in ubuntu?
[08:47] <punkass> Rene-S: no one knows about women ;)
[08:47] <mdz> gen: easy
[08:47] <drew__> mdz: that link seems to send me to altavista.com
[08:47] <desp> any Vim users here?  when I open a file in split-mode, Vim displays a nice status line underneath each split, with the file name, and stats.  when I have only one file open, it display a different status line, without the file name.  how can I get it to display the same status line in single file mode as it does in split mode?
[08:47] <gen> mdz: i'm too easy
[08:47] <woody> Does anyone give me some idea for setting up a Mail Account in Emacs ?
[08:47] <Rene_S> I beg to differ, for 10 years I have gotten one woman to take care of all my needs.
[08:47] <mdz> drew__: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/components/
[08:48] <punkass> hehe..well congrats
[08:48] <woody> I can send emails from Emacs but how to I set it up to receive emails too ?
[08:48] <khronic> Your mom doesn't count
[08:48] <mdz> woody: if you aren't familiar with emacs, I recommend evolution or thunderbird instead
[08:48] <punkass> haha
[08:48] <Rene_S> I am gonna publish my research in a paper soon
[08:48] <cardador> khronic: ahahah
[08:48] <desp> khronic: rotfl
[08:48] <woody> Well I have already used both evolution and thunderbird
[08:48] <Gavrila> does ubuntu use devfs by default?
[08:48] <woody> Just Emacs
[08:49] <Rene_S> Man i love the wallpapers that Venezualan guy did
[08:49] <labanux> is there someone who knows how to turn off the Ubuntu?
[08:49] <gwildor_> post link?
[08:49] <woody> Also please give me some ideas for opening an Access Database using some kind of application in Ubuntu ?
[08:50] <khronic> mdz: Do you use evolution?
[08:50] <labanux> i use command "halt -p" and "shutdown -r"
[08:50] <Rene_S> wine
[08:50] <woody> Yes I do
[08:50] <labanux> but it's still hvae the same error condition
[08:50] <drew__> mdz: so there is no way to find out about security holes in these other packages directly from ubuntu, correct?
[08:50] <cardador> labanux: computer > log off > shut down?
[08:50] <labanux> the system says that it's going to power down
[08:50] <labanux> but.., then the computer was stalled
[08:50] <labanux> and show this message;
[08:50] <mdz> khronic: I use mutt
[08:51] <labanux> md:stopping all md devices
[08:51] <mdz> drew__: no, there are many sources of security information
[08:51] <gwildor_> labanux, shutdown from gnome.......
[08:51] <labanux> shutdown :hda
[08:51] <khronic> just wondering if anyone has had luck with Evolution 2.0's "junk" filters
[08:51] <labanux> gwildor: shutdown from gnome isn't work too...
[08:51] <trans_err> I installed hoary and now new courier doesn't display when I go to websites... any idea?
[08:51] <drew__> mdz: i use ethereal.  if there is a hole, ubuntu will inform me but may not fix it?
[08:51] <labanux> it shows this message;
[08:52] <labanux> md:stopping all md devices
[08:52] <labanux> shutdown :hda
[08:52] <Rene_S> only time i had success with evol's junk filter is when i used it in conjuntion with spamassassin
[08:52] <labanux> power down
[08:52] <mdz> drew__: the core team does not track security issues in unsupported software, you will not be informed by Ubuntu
[08:52] <woody> Any alternatives for Microsoft Access ?
[08:52] <labanux> acpi_power_off called
[08:52] <Rene_S> mysql
[08:52] <trans_err> woody, evolution
[08:52] <Rene_S> db4
[08:52] <labanux> then..., nothing  happend...........
[08:52] <gwildor_> woody, you against using wine for it?
[08:52] <khronic> Rene_S: using evol 2.0?
[08:52] <punkass> woody: i know open office can open access stuff ( i think :)
[08:52] <labanux> it's really confusing..
[08:52] <woody> Really
[08:52] <drew__> mdz: ok thank you
[08:53] <gwildor_> punkass, you know (you think)...............lol
[08:53] <punkass> gwildor idea probably the way to go
[08:53] <Rene_S> khronic, yeah.  I read someplace on the ubuntu forums that it worked and i found that to be true
[08:53] <punkass> haha yeah i was laughin as i hit enter
[08:53] <labanux> everytime i want to shtu down my computer i should give this command "reboot" or "shutdown -r now"
[08:53] <gwildor_> hahahahaha
[08:53] <khronic> Rene_S: Is there configuration needed?  It seems to me it is supposed to work out of the box..however, its not the case for me
[08:53] <labanux> it's really tragic that Ubuntu can be turned off.......................................................................................
[08:54] <supos> labanux: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8407&page=4
[08:54] <supos> labanux: the chapter titled "Managing a Newfound Power"
[08:54] <gwildor_> supos, whered you pull that from?
[08:54] <labanux> supos:wait a minute.., i'll read it
[08:54] <supos> labanux: Sounds a bit like what you're describing
[08:54] <Rene_S> khronic, I never did any.  I just made sure that the junk filter was on in evolution and i checked off the other option as well
[08:55] <quique> woody: try kexi, but it is still alpha
[08:55] <Rene_S> khronic, you can still train it as well
[08:55] <quique> woody: a mature alternative, not exactly like kexi, is rekall
[08:56] <khronic> Rene_S: interesting...I have it turned on..and I have been Junking all my spam..but none is ever auto filtered into Junk
[08:56] <Rene_S> khronic, hmmm
[08:56] <erik_> hey, is there an amd64 port to ubuntu?
[08:56] <Rene_S> khronic,  I know on hoary i cant make it do that anymore
[08:56] <woody> Is there a way to use a dial-up modem besides using pon ?
[08:56] <supos> gwildor_: I'm considering switching to ubuntu, so I've read a few reviews
[08:56] <Rene_S> khronic,  but on warty it worked fine
[08:57] <khronic> Yeah, it's strange..
[08:57] <supos> gwildor_: Well, actually my parents asked me to install GNU/Linux on their computer, and I figured Ubuntu might do the trick. I'm a Debian man myself
[08:57] <Rene_S> khronic,  if all else fails thunderbird works ok if you train it
[08:57] <punkass> erik_: yes there is a amd64 release
[08:58] <erik_> punkass, excellent
[08:58] <punkass> when you go to download, you will see it there
[08:58] <Gavrila> how can I disable system bell?
[08:58] <dablitz> ok thanks that fixed it
[08:58] <gwildor_> supos, you parents ASKED for linux, lol, my parents ask me to turn theres on
[08:58] <Gavrila> I don't want that beep at 3 am in the morning
[08:58] <grelli> I just want to thank everyone in here that contributes to the ubuntu project
[08:58] <khronic> Rene_S: Yeah I've been playing with thunderbird lately.  Looks decent enough
[08:58] <erik_> punkass, is it as nice as the i386 release?
[08:58] <grelli> you guys have done an amazing job, and it's been a joy using ubuntu on my desktop machine
[08:59] <SuperQ> grelli: yay!
[08:59] <Gavrila> hey am I not nice? :(
[08:59] <punkass> not sure i only have 32bit...but i am assuming it is one in the same
[08:59] <khronic> Rene_S: Though the way firefox has been acting on my warty install..I'd be hesitant to use TB
[08:59] <Rene_S> I almost have my wife convinced to switch. one more Windows Protection error and i think i can make her use it
[08:59] <punkass> lol
[08:59] <gwildor_> Rene_S, just drop her a virus
[08:59] <grelli> Rene_S would it not be a sweeter victory if she chooses to use it?
[08:59] <grelli> instead of you making her?
[08:59] <erik_> I just upgraded my laptop here to hoary .. is there an xcompmgr package?
[09:00] <dablitz> ok now has anyone here ver configure an ati remote wonder 2 with lirc?
[09:00] <woody> what is xcompmgr ?
[09:00] <Rene_S> Well, i am not really "making" her, Uncle Billy is
[09:00] <erik_> woody, the thing that makes Xorg composite rendering work
[09:00] <sanitario> erik_: yes, daniels has a package
[09:00] <woody> I see
[09:00] <punkass> add this to your sources.list
[09:00] <erik_> Sandman, where can I find that?
[09:00] <punkass> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[09:00] <erik_> ah
[09:00] <erik_> excellent, thanks
[09:00] <punkass> np
[09:00] <woody> How do I setup Xorg instead of XFree86 ?
[09:01] <Rene_S> Im not so sure that xcompmgr is all that great
[09:01] <NanoTek> apt-get install xorg
[09:01] <erik_> woody, you have to upgrade to hoary, which might not be a great plan
[09:01] <erik_> ..
[09:01] <erik_> warty has xorg?
[09:01] <gwildor_> punkass, remember to give me that list later plz?, when I get home that is
[09:01] <Rene_S> I could be old fashioned though
[09:01] <Gavrila> So are u all having that silly system b(uzz?)ell during the night? O_O
[09:01] <ben_> hi
[09:01] <erik_> Rene_S, the shadowing etc is kind of lame but the SMOOTHness of it is excellent
[09:01] <ben_> anyone know how to install skype?
[09:01] <punkass> sure thing
[09:01] <NanoTek> Gavrila, you can cut the cable :p
[09:01] <khronic> What is xcompmgr?
[09:02] <Gavrila> NanoTek, pretty rough
[09:02] <sanitario> erik_:  deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[09:02] <woody> How big is the file ?
[09:02] <Gavrila> Gavrila, I'm a gentle boy
[09:02] <crimsun> erik_: no, Hoary does.
[09:02] <erik_> haha i opened the floodgates
[09:02] <ben_> anyone, installing skype?
[09:02] <NanoTek> Ben_ juste go on the website and download the softwaire
[09:02] <crimsun> erik_: Warty will not get anything new.
[09:02] <erik_> crimsun, ah.
[09:02] <cardador> khronic: shadown, transparency on your desktop
[09:02] <erik_> crimsun, that's what I thought
[09:02] <cardador> shadows
[09:02] <Gavrila> please help me :(
[09:02] <khronic> ah
[09:02] <ben_> NanoTek, i did, but it said i need the qt library or something
[09:02] <dablitz> brb
[09:02] <erik_> mostly the nice thing about it is  a "backing store" that works
[09:02] <crimsun> ben_: just download the file and extract it in your home directory
[09:02] <punkass> Gavrila can you not go to Computer >Desktop prefs > sounds
[09:02] <erik_> like the X backing store never did
[09:02] <punkass> and uncheck system sounds
[09:02] <khronic> if i want pretty i'll buy a Mac
[09:02] <ben_> crimsun, i said i did that, and it gave me that error
[09:03] <NanoTek> ben_, the best thing to do it's to use apt-get to install the dependences
[09:03] <erik_> some of the tools sometimes ask me for my root password.  I thought that ubuntu didn't have a root password?
[09:03] <ben_> k
[09:03] <erik_> my user password doesn't work in such circumstances
[09:03] <Rene_S> I sofar like the fullscreen thing
[09:03] <woody> Is the difference between Xorg and XFree86 very distinguished ?
[09:03] <crimsun> woody: no
[09:03] <punkass> erik_: wierd cuz your userpassword should alwasy work for root
[09:03] <erik_> woody, only if you're running xcompmgr, really
[09:04] <gwildor_> erik_, that is because it is asking for ROOT, ubuntu doesn't have root enabled by default
[09:04] <punkass> cuz it is just a sudo command
[09:04] <erik_> gwildor_, yeah
[09:04] <erik_> gwildor_, why does ubuntu have stuff that asks for root?
[09:04] <erik_> if there's no root user
[09:04] <erik_> let me find specifically what it was
[09:04] <siimo> hi can someone please tell me how to flush DNS like in windows
[09:04] <punkass> erik_ its a sudo call
[09:04] <woody> If I upgrade to Hoary, will Xorg be updated automatically ?
[09:04] <erik_> punkass, this isn't one of those though
[09:04] <erik_> woody, yes
[09:04] <woody> Will Xorg replace XFree
[09:04] <erik_> ok
[09:05] <NanoTek> of course
[09:05] <erik_> I go into Applications -> System Tools -> Shares
[09:05] <gwildor_> erik_, if I run into something like that, I just run it from command, with a sudo in front
[09:05] <erik_> and it ask fro a root password
[09:05] <woody> Well something strange happened
[09:05] <erik_> gwildor_, yeah, I can get around it easy enough but I was wondering if I was doing something wrong
[09:05] <sanitario> gah, waiting for upgrades are horrible and a bit exciting.
[09:05] <punkass> oh..hmm...wierd, just never come across one where my userpw doesnt work
[09:05] <NanoTek> erik_, just tape your pass
[09:05] <erik_> NanoTek, no workie
[09:05] <gwildor_> erik_, I don't have ubuntu with me here, I cannot help anymore....sorry
[09:05] <erik_> gwildor_, 's okay, thanks
[09:05] <crimsun> ben_: use Synaptic to install libqt3c102 and libqt3c102-mt
[09:05] <punkass> erik_: what are u trying to run?
[09:05] <woody> When I updated to Hoary, the GNOME terminal version was 2.7.6
[09:06] <erik_> punkass; APplications -> System Tools -> Shares
[09:06] <gen> erik: do sudo shares-admin
[09:06] <crimsun> woody: Hoary has 2.9.1-0ubuntu1
[09:06] <woody> I guess my update is not complete
[09:06] <erik_> gen, so this is a broken behavior of ubuntu?
[09:06] <gen> the menu has a borken sudo link
[09:06] <gen> yes
[09:06] <erik_> ok
[09:06] <punkass> ah yes erik_ same problem here
[09:06] <erik_> that clears it up
[09:06] <erik_> thanks gen
[09:06] <gen> np
[09:06] <pdaous1> hey, folks, I'm coming back to the board with tail between legs... I think I've messed something up seriously.
[09:07] <gwildor_> haah
[09:07] <gen> pdaous1: what'd you do?
[09:07] <pdaous1> I uninstalled something and deleted other things... now they won't install properly 9_9
[09:07] <pdaous1> specifically, I'd installed the courier-imap and courier-authdaemon packages.
[09:07] <erik_> gen, what should I type to make it a good sudo launcher?
[09:07] <Rene_S> Anyone wanna goto work for me tommorow, you spend all day photographing toilets for a brochure ?
[09:07] <crimsun> how and what did you uninstall/delete?
[09:07] <pdaous1> then I uninstalled them, deleted the config files in /etc/courier
[09:07] <gen> erik: what do you mean?
[09:08] <erik_> gen, I can edit the launcher to make it ask for a sudo password instead of the root pass, no?
[09:08] <punkass> gksudo will give you a gui sudo box
[09:08] <woody> On my other PC, I have just installed the Base for Ubuntu console, how do I update to get all the necessary applications and libraries to run X Windows
[09:08] <erik_> ahh
[09:08] <gen> your root pass should be sudo pass
[09:08] <erik_> gksudo shares-whatever
[09:08] <erik_> excellent
[09:08] <erik_> tahnks
[09:08] <woody> without a CD
[09:08] <pdaous1> and when I try to re-install/uninstall/whatever those packages, it complains about a file that's missing
[09:08] <pdaous1> (a file that I deleted... oops)
[09:09] <erik_> I really like gentoo's no-root-user concept, i'm surprised that nobody has really done it before
[09:09] <erik_> er
[09:09] <erik_> ubuntu's
[09:09] <woody> will apt-get update install all the necessary files to run X Windows
[09:09] <woody> from a console ?
[09:10] <woody> I don't have access to a CD ROM
[09:10] <mirak> where can I find kernel-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386 from hoary ?
[09:10] <erik_> woody, apt-get update doesn't install anything, it just refreshes the package lists.  If you're trying to upgrade, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade will replace XFree86 with Xorg and X will work in the end, yes.
[09:10] <crimsun> mirak: Hoary does not have kernel-headers*; instead use linux-headers-`uname -r`
[09:10] <erik_> assuming you s/warty/hoary/'d the sources.list
[09:10] <pdaous1> hooray! I did it; never mind.
[09:10] <ben_> why is skype so ugly, did i mess something up?
[09:10] <pdaous1> Fortunately, I'd made a backup of the /etc/courier folder before I uninstalled everything.
[09:11] <woody> No I just installed the Warty base system
[09:11] <Matt|> hi, hoary question: is it safe to remove python2.3-genetic from my system and install python-genetic???
[09:11] <pdaous1> ben_: do you have all sorts of little boxes and Chinese characters?
[09:11] <crimsun> ben_: Qt can be pretty, too
[09:11] <kingsley> Yazston: Do you happen to know what either "TUN" or "TAP" are an abbreviation for?
[09:11] <erik_> is there any way in gnome2.8/ubuntu to make a keyboard shortcut launch a program?
[09:11] <crimsun> Matt|: python-genetic installs python2.3-genetic
[09:11] <ben_> pdaous1, i have ugly aliased boxyness
[09:11] <crimsun> do not remove python2.3-genetic unless you want that lib support to disappear
[09:11] <ben_> and the icons are overlapping and squished and stuff
[09:12] <Matt|> crimsun, hmm. python-genetic is kept from updating by synaptic. I assumed it was clashing with the other one, which is listed as having been installed "locally"
[09:12] <punkass> erik_: computer > desktop prefs > Keyboard shortcuts ;)
[09:12] <woody> Which packages do I have to install to run X Windows from a Warty console ?
[09:12] <pdaous1> ben_: yeah, I have that too. I believe it's due to the fact that KDE isn't installed
[09:12] <SporcusPorcus> hmm 295 very close to 300
[09:12] <erik_> punkass, I looked there but I can't see how to launch a program
[09:12] <Matt|> woody, apt-get install gnome
[09:12] <Rene_S> I should find a site that explains what the xcompmgr settings mean
[09:12] <woody> That's it
[09:12] <ben_> pdaous1, i have some funny lookin box thing too...that sits in the corner and it has a cut off icon
[09:12] <erik_> i mean, I can "launch a terminal"
[09:12] <erik_> but not an arbitrary program
[09:12] <punkass> ah i see
[09:13] <mirak> crimsun: ok
[09:13] <pdaous1> ben_: that's supposed to be the tray icon; it should be in your GNOME tray but sometimes it doesn't work.
[09:13] <ben_> pdaous1, oh
[09:13] <woody> apt-get install gnome will install X Windows?
[09:13] <woody> from a console
[09:13] <ben_> pdaous1, how do i add skype to the menus?
[09:13] <Matt|> crimsun, what should I do with that upgradeable python-genetic package then do you think?
[09:13] <pdaous1> ben_: where have you installed Skype? is it still in your home directory?
[09:14] <ben_> i installed it in /opt
[09:14] <ben_> someone told me /opt is for optional software, so i put it there
[09:14] <Matt|> ben_, right click inside the menu you want to put it, and click "add new item"
[09:14] <mirak> crimsun: hum, module-assistant wants kernel-header package
[09:14] <woody> Matt, will apt-get install gnome install the GNOME X Windows ?
[09:14] <Matt|> woody, yes
[09:15] <pdaous1> ben_: okay, skype the program itself should be in /opt or /usr/local/bin or whatever you want it to be, and all the other files should be copied into a /usr/local/skype directory (I had to create it myself)
[09:15] <woody> thanks man
[09:15] <crimsun> Matt|: according to the output of apt-cache policy python2.3-genetic, it's no longer in any pool. So remove it and install python-genetic.
[09:15] <supos> woody: apt-get install gnome will install Gnome, and all the packages Gnome depends on, which includes the X window system
[09:15] <woody> Wow, that's great
[09:15] <erik_> is hoary running gnome 2.9?
[09:15] <supos> woody: That's kindda the whole idea of apt
[09:15] <woody> I see
[09:15] <crimsun> erik_: bits & pieces, yes.
[09:15] <woody> I really have to learn a lot in Linux
[09:15] <pdaous1> ben_: next thing I did was just right-click in the 'Internet' section of my Applications menu, go to the 'Entire menu' submenu, and choose 'add new item to this menu'
[09:16] <crimsun> keep in mind the 'gnome' metapackage exists only in Debian Sid.
[09:16] <ben_> pdaous1, huh? so just the "skype" executable should be in opt?
[09:16] <erik_> crimsun, ah
[09:16] <Matt|> crimsun, thanks
[09:16] <ben_> pdaous1, i just put the whole thing in /opt
[09:16] <Matt|> bye all
[09:16] <Matt|> laters
[09:16] <pdaous1> ben_: that's what I did, mainly because that's what the README file told me to do. If Skype works for you without moving all the other files in /usr/share/skype, hey -- it works, right? ^_^
[09:16] <woody> bye Matt
[09:17] <ben_> pdaous1, lol, yup. but wat's the point of moving the other files?
[09:17] <woody> Can anybody help me to setup my shorewall firewall ?
[09:17] <pdaous1> ben_: no idea; I think Skype looks for them there
[09:17] <woody> It gives an error during bootup
[09:17] <pdaous1> ben_: let me check
[09:18] <ben_> can i test it with you pdaous1?
[09:18] <ben_> i gotta get my mic
[09:18] <ben_> hold on
[09:18] <ben_> and what's ur username?
[09:18] <pdaous1> ben_: The README sez Skype searches for the file "call_in.wav" and additional language files in both the current directory (in your case, /opt/skype) *and* the /usr/share/skype directory -- so you're fine
[09:18] <woody> Does xcompmgr work in XFree86 ?
[09:19] <pdaous1> ben_: my username is pdaoust
[09:19] <cardador> woody: no
[09:19] <Gavrila> does anyone know what the option write-cache=off does in hdparm?
[09:19] <Chibi> Whee, that was messy. :P
[09:19] <woody> How do I get the Services list in my System Tools in Warty?
[09:20] <Chibi> Anyone who's planning on a hoary upgrade, my one peice of advice is to NOT upgrade hotplug.
[09:20] <punkass> doesnt skype require QT?
[09:20] <pdaous1> ben_: I just like to throw extra program data into the /usr/share directory just because that's how most of the programs in Ubuntu are also set up -- I just like to keep it consistent.
[09:20] <Chibi> yes, Skype is QT
[09:20] <pdaous1> punkass: does, but you can get a statically linked version if you don't have Qt
[09:20] <woody> How do I get the Services in my System Tools in Warty ?
[09:20] <punkass> ah i see
[09:21] <Chibi> punkass- You might want to look at PhoneGaim
[09:21] <pdaous1> punkass: makes for some ugly fonts
[09:21] <punkass> hehe
[09:21] <pdaous1> :)
[09:21] <pdaous1> ben_: how are things coming along? still looking for your mic? :)
[09:21] <woody> How do I stop services I don't neeed in Ubuntu Warty ?
[09:21] <_axel> hi, im trying to install ubuntu on a acer a353LM laptop, and after the boot splash the display gets corrupted and i cant see $%&"!, is that a known issue or what?
[09:21] <ben_> pdaous1, yeah, i got my mic, what's ur username?
[09:22] <ben_> oh wait, nvm
[09:22] <ben_> i saw it
[09:22] <ben_> lol
[09:22] <Chibi> _axel - How much memory does it have?
[09:22] <pdaous1> :)
[09:22] <_axel> Chibi: 512 mb
[09:22] <Chibi> Resolution?
[09:22] <_axel> Chibi: or you mean the video card?
[09:22] <Chibi> No, just the main.
[09:22] <GnuHippy> does anybody know how I can format a drive with fat32 from linux?
[09:22] <cenerentola> hi
[09:22] <Chibi> What's the res, though?
[09:22] <_axel> Chibi: i didnt specify any but it looks like 800x600
[09:22] <cenerentola> mdz: are with me?
[09:22] <cenerentola> mdz: are *you* with me?
[09:22] <Chibi> Hmmmm..
[09:23] <Chibi> Well, that sounds like it shouldn't have problems. :/
[09:23] <_axel> i mean, the splash looks ok -- things get corrupt when starting the ncurses part
[09:23] <ogra> GnuHippy: mkfs.vfat
[09:23] <GnuHippy> thanks ogra
[09:24] <Chibi> Oh, Like.... weirdly stretched?
[09:24] <_axel> Chibi: yup
[09:24] <_axel> exactly
[09:24] <oddabe19> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.8.1-3-k7 |  AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+ 1644.136 MHz | Bogomips: 3260.41 | Mem: 616/1012M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 64.70G Free: 26.02G | Procs: 86 | Uptime: 1 day 17 hrs 48 mins 54 secs | Load: 0.72 0.63 0.43  | Vpenis: 2814 cm | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV28 [GeForce4 Ti 4800 SE]  (rev a1) @ 1280x1024 (24 bpp) | eth0: In: 450.77M Out: 68.17M
[09:24] <oddabe19> Sensors: HDD:
[09:24] <Chibi> You'll need to boot with a vga= tag.
[09:24] <oddabe19> wh00ps wrong channel
[09:24] <oddabe19> sorry
[09:24] <GnuHippy> Is there anybody else out there using hoary?
[09:24] <woody> What is the best configuration for the sources.list in Warty ?
[09:24] <_axel> vga=what
[09:24] <Chibi> That matches your Laptop's resolution.
[09:24] <_axel> ah
[09:24] <Chibi> GnuHippy- I am.
[09:25] <GnuHippy> is gnome buggy for you?
[09:25] <_axel> so i pass vga=800x600 to the kernel?
[09:25] <Chibi> No no.
[09:25] <Chibi> Lemme grab a thing for you.
[09:25] <SuperQ> _axel: there is a special format
[09:25] <_axel> ah
[09:25] <woody> What is the best configuration for the sources.list in Warty ?
[09:25] <Chibi> I'm pretty sure it's vga=785
[09:25] <GnuHippy> well the volume app crashes on me a lot and sometimes icons on my desktop won't show up when I make new ones until I restart gnome
[09:26] <Chibi> But I could be wrong
[09:26] <_axel> k
[09:26] <Chibi> So just a sec. :P
[09:26] <GnuHippy> and opengl stuff screws up and I eventually have to restart x
[09:26] <Rene_S> Im not gonna ask about the Vpenis: 2814 cm  part in that sysinfo
[09:26] <Gavrila> I don't understand a thing
[09:26] <ogra> GnuHippy: got gamin installed ?
[09:26] <GnuHippy> yes
[09:26] <Chibi> GnuHippy- Use openbox. :P
[09:27] <Gavrila> I've done apt-get dist-upgrade, and it wanted to upgrade gettext-base from main
[09:27] <_axel> whoa, silly laptop, i cant find how to type =
[09:27] <Gavrila> so it comes that there are "stable" updates even if not about security?
[09:27] <_axel> must be some weird keymap
[09:27] <GnuHippy> XFCE 4.2 is nice but I am having similar problems with it
[09:27] <Chibi> XFCE4.2 won't run correctly in hoary.
[09:27] <GnuHippy> the menu freezes to the desktop and I get graphical errors
[09:27] <Chibi> Yeah.
[09:27] <Chibi> It's a GTK problem.
[09:28] <cenerentola> ogra: hello my friend
[09:28] <ogra> wow, xcompmanager feels really fast.......
[09:28] <ogra> via vnc ;)
[09:28] <ogra> hey cenerentola
[09:28] <GnuHippy> and I have loaded every via kernel module and I can't get dma enabled on my SATA drive
[09:28] <Chibi> _axel - Give vga=785 a shot, I'm pretty sure that's 800x600x24
[09:28] <woody> Does anyone give me some ideas for setting up a Mail Account in Emacs ?
[09:28] <_axel> hmm
[09:28] <_axel> the screen went blank
[09:28] <Gavrila> cenerentola mi caghi un secondo almeno te ;__;
[09:28] <Chibi> :/
[09:28] <Gavrila> ci sono delle cose che non capisco
[09:29] <GnuHippy> why emacs woody?
[09:29] <woody> Can anyone give me some ideas for setting up a Mail Account in Emacs ?
[09:29] <cenerentola> gavrila: query
[09:29] <Chibi> 788.
[09:29] <erik_> woody, #emacs or #gnus can help
[09:29] <Chibi> vga=788
[09:29] <erik_> because gnus is the superior mail client!!
[09:29] <erik_> SUPERIOR.
[09:29] <Chibi> http://www.antlinux.com/staticwiki/VgaModes.html
[09:29] <erik_> :)
[09:29] <GnuHippy> Thunderbird is the best
[09:29] <Chibi> Thunderbird blows. :P
[09:29] <Chibi> Gmail, straight up
[09:29] <Chibi> :o
[09:29] <GnuHippy> blows everything away
[09:29] <_axel> Chibi: so linux vga=788
[09:29] <GnuHippy> I use thunderbird with Gmail
[09:29] <sladen> woody: some people like VM.  But it's really an Emacs-specific question
[09:30] <_axel> hey, works now
[09:30] <Chibi> You need to add it on to the line that says kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-k7 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash or whatnot
[09:30] <woody> How do I use gnus in Emacs ?
[09:30] <_axel> Chibi: in grub.conf you mean?
[09:31] <Chibi> in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:31] <_axel> ah yes
[09:32] <ironwolf> Using a Synaptics Touch Pad on a Sager notebook, the buttons work, but touching the pad does not left click.  Any clues how to remedy?
[09:32] <wasabi_> Does ubuntu auto detect pppoe networks?
[09:32] <ogra> _axel: run update-grub afterwards
[09:32] <erik_> what's the section in xorg.conf I need to put to enable Composite?
[09:32] <sladen> ironwolf: left click by tapping it
[09:33] <SuperQ> ogra: why would you need to run anything after editing menu.lst
[09:33] <tritium> I can't get gpdf to respond to my .Xresources settings (e.g. Gpdf.geometry: 800x600)
[09:33] <sladen> ironwolf: is that what you mean?
[09:33] <punkass> erik_: i just stuck this near the bottom
[09:33] <punkass> Section "Extensions"
[09:33] <punkass>         Option        "Composite"        "Enable"
[09:33] <punkass> EndSection
[09:33] <SuperQ> ogra: menu.lst is dynamicaly read by grub each boot
[09:33] <erik_> punkass, excellent, thank
[09:33] <punkass> np
[09:33] <woody> How do I receive emails from Emacs ?
[09:33] <erik_> woody, what exactly do you mean?
[09:33] <GnuHippy> also when I log out of gnome or it crashes sometimes I have to delete my .ICEauthority file
[09:33] <ironwolf> sladen: yes, and it's not currently working.
[09:33] <ogra> SuperQ: youre right...sorry....
[09:34] <erik_> woody, you mean, set up an emacs-based mail client?
[09:34] <woody> Yes
[09:34] <erik_> woody, I think #emacs or #gnus would really be better suited to answer your questions
[09:34] <SuperQ> ogra: :) np
[09:34] <erik_> woody, also, http://www.emacswiki.org
[09:34] <Chibi> ::coughemacs=texteditorcough::
[09:34] <erik_> Chibi, quiet, you
[09:34] <erik_> :p
[09:34] <ogra> SuperQ: wron support always it a problem ...:)
[09:34] <ogra> +g
[09:35] <tritium> How can I get gdpf and gedit to remember their last geometry, or set a default one?
[09:35] <Rene_S> Emacs does mail ?
[09:35] <punkass> Chibi: u used that phonegaim?
[09:35] <Chibi> No, never have.
[09:35] <Chibi> Just heard about it. :P
[09:35] <punkass> looks pretty good
[09:36] <punkass> no bad it cant call skype users
[09:36] <sladen> Rene_S: Emacs can do anything, just getting it to do "anything" is probably outside the scope of this particular IRC channel
[09:36] <punkass> s/no/to
[09:36] <punkass> what is wrong with mutt or pine..
[09:36] <sladen> ironwolf: do you have left/right buttons aswell?
[09:36] <Chibi> Linspire is trying to merge their code into the main gaim tree.
[09:36] <ironwolf> sladen: yes, and they work well.
[09:36] <punkass> yeah i was reading that..that be cool
[09:36] <Rene_S> sladen, hehe your probably right, hell i didnt know it did mail so ...
[09:36] <Matt|> hiya. Another hoary question: what does one do about screen blanking? I know it is a known issue with the new xorg packages. Should these be reported? if so, how?
[09:37] <erik_> can the ubuntu installer coexist with a windows XP installation?
[09:37] <sladen> ironwolf: so it's just the 'tapping' that doesn't?
[09:37] <Matt|> erik_, yup
[09:37] <erik_> Matt|, ok, great
[09:37] <ironwolf> sladen: correct.
[09:37] <erik_> just custom partition, I assume
[09:37] <erik_> wanted to make sure heh
[09:39] <GnuHippy> mkfs.vfat: Attempting to create a too large file system
[09:39] <Matt|> is there a systray icon for evolution? ;)
[09:39] <Chibi> No. :/
[09:39] <Chibi> Evolution is poo.
[09:39] <woody> Any alternatives for MS-Access ?
[09:39] <GnuHippy> I am having a problem converting a drive to fat32
[09:39] <Matt|> Chibi, whatever
[09:39] <Chibi> It runs extra useless daemons. :/
[09:40] <Matt|> well that depends how you define useless i guess
[09:40] <GnuHippy> is there anyway I can make an NTFS partition from linux?
[09:40] <erik_> Chibi, e-d-s isn't useless
[09:40] <Matt|> Chibi, any idea about that hoary question ^^
[09:40] <Chibi> What question now? o.o;
[09:40] <Matt|> GnuHippy, probably not a good idea
[09:40] <Matt|> Another hoary question: what does one do about screen blanking? I know it is a known issue with the new xorg packages. Should these be reported? if so, how?
[09:41] <GnuHippy> I need to get my mp3 collection back to a windows partition
[09:41] <GnuHippy> it is too big for even a dvd
[09:41] <Matt|> GnuHippy, use fat then
[09:41] <GnuHippy> mkfs.vfat: Attempting to create a too large file system
[09:41] <GnuHippy> thats what I get
[09:41] <Matt|> GnuHippy, ok. the solution is to fix that rather than try and make an ntfs partition tho
[09:41] <GnuHippy> ok
[09:42] <woody> Does Ubuntu work with a PI-133 with 64 MB RAM and 2 BG PC ?
[09:42] <GnuHippy> I seem to remember be able to make up to 120gb fat32 partitions in the past
[09:42] <erik_> woody, might be kinda slow
[09:42] <woody> 2 BG
[09:42] <GnuHippy> is vfat fat32 or just fat16??
[09:42] <Matt|> Chibi, see the question?
[09:42] <erik_> gnome isn't THAT lean heh
[09:42] <Chibi> Not a clue on it. :P
[09:42] <Matt|> woody, you could run a leaner system though
[09:42] <Matt|> Chibi, k
[09:42] <gwildor_> woody, after installation  of ubuntu, you might wanna grab fluxbox or xfce4
[09:43] <gwildor_> woody. both are apt-getable
[09:43] <woody> what are fluxbox and xfce4 ?
[09:43] <erik_> gwildor_, does ubuntu's gdm respect ~/.xsession ?
[09:43] <gwildor_> woody, like gnome, but alternatives
[09:43] <erik_> woody, alternative window managers that are a lot leaner
[09:43] <Chibi> xfce4 is an awesome light GTK envireonment
[09:43] <gwildor_> woody, they are lighter, (use less ram)
[09:43] <erik_> I use xfce4 on my tablet, it's great
[09:44] <ironwolf> sladen: any ideas?
[09:44] <Chibi> XFCE == God :D
[09:44] <woody> Is the installaton process easy ?
[09:44] <gwildor_> woody, xfce4 is really nice, youd prob like it better than fluxbox
[09:44] <gwildor_> woody, sudo apt-get install xfce4
[09:44] <Matt|> woody, none easier
[09:44] <sladen> ironwolf: I googled for  synaptics configure tap  and you need to set MaxTapTime to something non-zero.  I've no idea where though
[09:44] <Chibi> woody - Are you using warty or hoary?
[09:44] <erik_> yes but how does one set xfce4 to be the default environment?
[09:44] <gwildor_> woody, and its installed
[09:44] <woody> Well thank you to all of you out there
[09:44] <gwildor_> erik_, at the log in screen
[09:44] <erik_> oh
[09:44] <woody> It's great chatting with all of you
[09:44] <erik_> haha excellent
[09:44] <erik_> good luck woody
[09:44] <Rene_S> I dont understand the attraction to fuxbox and xfce and windowmaker
[09:45] <Matt|> *laughs*
[09:45] <woody> and thanks for all the tips and advice
[09:45] <Chibi> If you're going to get XFCE, I recommend getting 4.2 from os-cillation.de
[09:45] <Matt|> icewm is the best
[09:45] <ironwolf> sladen: thanks, I'll poke around for it.
[09:45] <woody> OK
[09:45] <woody> thanks to you all
[09:45] <gwildor_> woody, np :)
[09:45] <woody> have a nice time and good night from my side in Nepal
[09:46] <Matt|> wow nepalese user! kewl
[09:46] <sladen> ironwolf: I'm not sure whether the kernel drivers are being used, or the XF ones
[09:46] <Matt|> Another hoary question: what does one do about screen blanking? I know it is a known issue with the new xorg packages. Should these be reported? if so, how?
[09:47] <Matt|> Another hoary question: what does one do about screen blanking? I know it is a known issue with the new xorg packages. Should these be reported? if so, how? <-- If you know the answer, please PM me with it: I'm going afk for a little while. THANKS!!!!
[09:48] <grelli> GnuHippy still having issues?
[09:50] <grelli> damn
[09:51] <sladen> ironwolf: try  synclient
[09:52] <ironwolf> sladen: what's synclient ?
[09:55] <Chibi> Hrmm.. I need a root window manager. :P
[09:55] <sladen> ironwolf: it appears to might be the tool to configure the synaptics!
[09:55] <Chibi> I don't like xi. :/
[09:57] <L3th3M> hi to all!
[09:57] <L3th3M> how to install windows 98 on ubuntu?
[09:58] <L3th3M> I tried with vmware and win4lin, but I cannot do it
[09:58] <L3th3M> somebody alive?
[09:58] <Deviled> and why you cant?
[09:58] <Rene_S> nap time
[09:59] <L3th3M> vmware: error with a dictory
[09:59] <ed_gein> what would cause a working system to suddenly start having problems with "starting usb subsystem"
[09:59] <pgavin> wow, ubuntu is very imressive
[09:59] <pgavin> ermm, impressive
[10:00] <ironwolf> sladen: running synclient I get "Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?" where's SHMConfig set ?
[10:00] <pgavin> just installed it yesterday
[10:00] <L3th3M> and win4lin: not compatible kernel
[10:00] <sladen> ironwolf: there's a bug about it.  2153  (where I found the reference to synclient)
[10:00] <L3th3M> what can I do?
[10:00] <ed_gein> install win2000/xp?
[10:01] <L3th3M> windows 98
[10:01] <ReddoC> I can not install xserver-xfree86. when i make apt-get install xserver-xfree86, i can see configure package and then nothing else. i have to break the command.  any help ?
[10:01] <ed_gein> ReddoC:is this a fresh install?
[10:01] <ReddoC> yes
[10:02] <L3th3M> exist somethink for create virtual machine, but free?
[10:02] <ReddoC> i has block during install the first time
[10:02] <ed_gein> was this an expert install?
[10:02] <ReddoC> no
[10:02] <ed_gein> hmmm
[10:02] <ReddoC> it was a normal install
[10:03] <ed_gein> it didn't install and configure x automagically for you?
[10:03] <ReddoC> no, i wait a long time and then it my break key and it pass thruw
[10:03] <ReddoC> so i have every thing installed. but no xserver
[10:04] <Deviled> hm, can somebody tell me how can i change the file rights from root to my default user?
[10:04] <HWolf> Sweet, my question is the first to be awnsered in rage3d's chat with ATI developers about linux drivers.
[10:05] <ironwolf> sladen: many thanks.
[10:05] <L3th3M> what is plex86?
[10:05] <ed_gein> Deviled:look into chown
[10:05] <sladen> L3th3M: linux on linux.  You probably want Qemu
[10:05] <L3th3M> qemu?
[10:06] <ReddoC> ed_gein: I have a nvidia video card
[10:07] <L3th3M> I going to try with qemu
[10:07] <kingsley> Does any of the "/proc" hierarchy reveal network traffic, and, if so, which path?
[10:10] <Deviled> thx :)
[10:10] <ReddoC> Is there a alternative way than apt-get to install xserver-xfree ?
[10:11] <gwildor_> synaptic?
[10:11] <Desolate> anyone here got experience with connecting a linux pc to a windows wireless network?
[10:11] <hypa7ia> Desolate: still trying to get the adapter working?
[10:11] <ReddoC> gwildor: but you need xserver-xfree86 to run synaptic
[10:12] <Chibi> http://gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=17748&file1=17748-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=linux+for+human+beings+%28ubuntu%29 Oooh.
[10:12] <Chibi> Gnome-Look loves us.
[10:12] <gwildor_> ReddoC, was only half paying attention.....sorry
[10:12] <hypa7ia> ooooh so pwetty
[10:12] <Desolate> heh, hypa7ia, I got the pc to recognize the router (and the network) but I'm not sure if it's connected to it. In any case, if it is, I can't get the actual inet connection to work
[10:13] <Echylo> can somebody help me with this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/3ddesktopHowto
[10:13] <hypa7ia> Desolate: can you put whatever iwconfig and ifconfig returns into http://pastebin.com for me?
[10:14] <Desolate> yeah
[10:14] <hypa7ia> rawk
[10:14] <Echylo> http://www.pastebin.com/119021
[10:14] <Echylo> this is the error
[10:14] <Echylo> when I try to launch 3ddesk
[10:15] <gwildor_> echylo, im a newb, I can try, seems you just need to cop & paste from the wikki though
[10:15] <L3th3M> qemu cannot install windows 98
[10:15] <Echylo> I did
[10:15] <Echylo> but check the error
[10:15] <gwildor_> kk
[10:15] <Matt|> Another hoary question: what does one do about screen blanking? I know it is a known issue with the new xorg packages. Should these be reported? if so, how? <-- If you know the answer, please PM me with it: I'm going afk for a little while. THANKS!!!!
[10:15] <sladen> L3th3M: dunno about install, but qemu on here boots Windows 98 okay
[10:15] <L3th3M> and how to install?
[10:16] <sladen> Matt|: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[10:16] <gwildor_> sladen, pm that too him
[10:17] <gwildor_> echylo, does it work now?
[10:17] <Echylo> gwildor no :)
[10:17] <Desolate> hypa7ia: http://pastebin.com/119022
[10:17] <Deviled> hm, can anyone say me how to rebuild the firefox profile? f###ed it up, and when i restrat firefox, it doesnt rebuilt it itself :/
[10:17] <sladen> Deviled: make sure firefox is completely dead and killed
[10:18] <sladen> Deviled: eg,  killall firefox-bin
[10:18] <Matt|> sladen, prob with filing a bug is that i have no idea what provokes the screen blank, it seems quite random
[10:18] <hypa7ia> interesting, Desolate.  seems you're associated with the AP and everything
[10:18] <Deviled> sladen: it's dead
[10:18] <Desolate> so I am connected to the router, correct?
[10:18] <erik_> does anyone know what the schedule of firefox1.0 getting into hoary is?
[10:18] <hypa7ia> Desolate: yes
[10:18] <Desolate> the only problem is that I can't access the internet
[10:19] <erik_> 1.0pre has that annoying typeahead find bug
[10:19] <hypa7ia> can you ping the router?
[10:19] <sladen> Deviled: do   ps aux | grep firefox
[10:19] <Matt|> Desolate, have you pinged a website from the command line?
[10:19] <hypa7ia> oh man, erik_, that's the worst thing ever
[10:19] <gwildor_> erik_, should be soon, one could assume
[10:19] <Desolate> nope, haven't tried that Matt|
[10:19] <Deviled> "despair  31854  0.0  0.2  1864  672 pts/0    R+   22:19   0:00 grep firefox"
[10:19] <erik_> hypa7ia, yeah it is
[10:19] <Matt|> Desolate, if it doesn't work, trying pinging an actual ip address of a website rather than the name
[10:19] <hypa7ia> Desolate: here's an ip 142.150.240.71
[10:20] <erik_> wow you can rightclick-burn iso in gnome28
[10:20] <Matt|> team work
[10:20] <erik_> that's unexpected and nice
[10:20] <wasabi_> Anybody know much about Cups? Why can't I see things in my queue printed by other people?
[10:20] <Desolate> Network is unreachable
[10:20] <Matt|> erik_, :)
[10:20] <hypa7ia> haha, um, let me give you another ip.... apparently my router isn't givng off pings
[10:20] <Matt|> Desolate, are you connecting to us through your wlan?
[10:21] <Desolate> yeah, right now I'm on a laptop connected through the established network
[10:21] <hypa7ia> Desolate: 66.193.231.186
[10:21] <Desolate> so the network is up and running
[10:21] <Matt|> Desolate, google.com (216.239.37.99)
[10:21] <Matt|> Desolate, so the wireless card is working?
[10:21] <Desolate> well, it's an usb wireless adapter
[10:21] <Desolate> but yes
[10:22] <hypa7ia> Matt|: he's associated with his AP, so it should be
[10:22] <hypa7ia> could you ping the router Desolate
[10:22] <hypa7ia> Matt|: http://pastebin.com/119022
[10:22] <Desolate> I'm getting network is unreachable for all those
[10:23] <hypa7ia> maybe try doing ifdown then ifup?
[10:23] <Deviled> sladen: what now?
[10:23] <Desolate> alright, I've got one PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 56(84) bytes of data
[10:23] <Desolate> rest are Destination Host Unreachable
[10:24] <zerokarmaleft> erik_, too bad rhythmbox doesn't have a burn playlist feature a la iTunes too :\
[10:24] <Matt|> Desolate, are you using a wire connection at the same time?
[10:24] <erik_> zerokarmaleft, yeah heh
[10:24] <erik_> I want ipod support in RB dammit
[10:24] <Matt|> RB?
[10:24] <erik_> rhythmbox
[10:24] <Desolate> nope Matt|
[10:24] <Matt|> Desolate, so you are connecting to us from a DIFFERENT computer?
[10:25] <Desolate> yes, I just said that :P
[10:25] <Desolate> [16:21]  <Desolate> yeah, right now I'm on a laptop connected through the established network
[10:25] <Desolate> I can't use the other pc, obviously
[10:25] <Desolate> the one that's running linux
[10:25] <Matt|> ok
[10:26] <Matt|> how are you getting an ip address?
[10:26] <hypa7ia> Desolate: if you are able to ping the router but not past it, is something maybe wrong witht he routher?
[10:26] <Desolate> automatically DHCP
[10:26] <sladen> Deviled: so your screen just randomly goes black
[10:26] <Matt|> k
[10:26] <Desolate> hypa7ia: I'm using it right now...
[10:26] <sladen> Deviled: if you turn the brightness up and peer closely (if it's a TFT), can you see anything?
[10:26] <Matt|> Desolate, you are using the wireless function of the router?
[10:27] <Desolate> yes
[10:27] <Desolate> let me paste what I got with ifup
[10:27] <Matt|> Desolate, have you got mac filtering enabled?
[10:27] <Desolate> sec
[10:27] <Deviled> sladen, no, it doesnt create a firefox profile, firefox starts, but i cant to nothing
[10:27] <dablitz> does anyone here know the correct way to add a splash screen to grub, I have looked around and found may different ways, but none seem to work
[10:27] <Deviled> sladen, *cant do anything
[10:28] <Matt|> dablitz, it is not supported yet in ubuntu i don't think. I've also tried but it didn't work
[10:28] <KingShawn> hello] 
[10:28] <sladen> Deviled: does  Ctrl-Alt-BackSpace  or  Ctrl-Alt-Del  do anything?
[10:28] <KingShawn> does ubuntu have an installer?
[10:28] <KingShawn> the warty release
[10:28] <KingShawn> i just picke dit up
[10:28] <sladen> Deviled: does  Ctrl-Alt-F1  do anything?
[10:28] <gwildor_> KingShawn, yup
[10:29] <KingShawn> awesome
[10:29] <KingShawn> im gonna try it
[10:29] <tolstoya> folks: my kbd & mouse aren't properly loaded on hoary, smp.  I looked at modules.conf, it says, "man update-modules", but that page says update-modules is obsolete.  Where to look?
[10:29] <sladen> KingShawn: yes, Ubuntu has an installer.  It'd be hard to get on your system otherwise ;-)
[10:29] <KingShawn> sladen
[10:29] <KingShawn> well
[10:29] <KingShawn> try gentoo
[10:29] <KingShawn> ;P
[10:29] <gwildor_> sladen, haha
[10:29] <Matt|> sladen, gentoo
[10:29] <KingShawn> slackware
[10:29] <KingShawn> etc
[10:29] <KingShawn> netbsd
[10:29] <hypa7ia> KingShawn: http://www.eghetto.ca/~msviolet/Humour/gentoo.jpg
[10:29] <siimo> my root partition seems to have stuffed up can someone please help? i cannot boot :( fsck /dev/hda9 Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks...
[10:29] <Matt|> sladen, crux
[10:29] <hypa7ia> anyway, it's a great installer KingShawn
[10:29] <siimo> fsck.ext2: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/hda9
[10:29] <siimo> :-(
[10:30] <KingShawn> that mean i should switch to ubuntu?
[10:30] <KingShawn> ;P
[10:30] <Matt|> KingShawn, give it a try
[10:30] <KingShawn> i will
[10:30] <KingShawn> i dont feel like installing my own stuff
[10:30] <Matt|> yeh
[10:30] <KingShawn> even though the portage is r0xor with gentoo
[10:30] <hypa7ia> ah, but apt is apt
[10:31] <hypa7ia> at what it does
[10:31] <Matt|> KingShawn, apt is much better
[10:31] <KingShawn> ya
[10:31] <KingShawn> easier too im sure
[10:31] <Matt|> portage really sucks for removing packages
[10:31] <KingShawn> ya thats why im looking to switch
[10:31] <KingShawn> i started with mandrake
[10:31] <pdaoust> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SPITE! does anyone have experience with courier-imap on Debian or Ubuntu?!?
[10:31] <sladen> hypa7ia: I thought that was going to be the picture of the motorbike, with a childs bicycle as the back wheel
[10:31] <KingShawn> now im addicted to trying every distro
[10:31] <hypa7ia> sladen: lol
[10:31] <Matt|> KingShawn, snap
[10:32] <hypa7ia> KingShawn: been there :-/
[10:32] <Matt|> KingShawn, it's better to pick one and learn tho
[10:32] <KingShawn> ya
[10:32] <hypa7ia> this laptop has seen:
[10:32] <KingShawn> well mandrake is easy
[10:32] <KingShawn> i just want something more
[10:32] <KingShawn> plus io had 9.1
[10:32] <wasabi_> I'm having a sound problem of some kind
[10:32] <KingShawn> which may not offer as much as 10
[10:32] <KingShawn> i dunno
[10:32] <hypa7ia> debian sarge, mandrake 10.1, suse 9.1, gentoo, FC2, and  now ubu
[10:32] <Matt|> KingShawn, mandrake is ok
[10:32] <xbill> Anyone had installed the last Nvidia package under Ubuntu ? 6629
[10:32] <wasabi_> My sound card isn't usable apparently.
[10:32] <pdaoust> Iiiiiii'm guessing that's a "no"...
[10:33] <hypa7ia> pdaoust: sorry :-/
[10:33] <pdaoust> :)
[10:33] <pdaoust> np
[10:33] <KingShawn> i definately dont want a knoppix base ddistro
[10:33] <KingShawn> i have several of those
[10:33] <Desolate> meh
[10:33] <KingShawn> ds
[10:33] <KingShawn> knoppix 3.2
[10:33] <erik_> hm
[10:33] <pdaoust> xbill: don't have an nVidia card myself; you having problems?
[10:33] <Matt|> Desolate, mac filtering?
[10:33] <KingShawn> feather
[10:33] <erik_> the gnome CD burner thing seems to be crap
[10:33] <erik_> two coasters now
[10:33] <Desolate> did you get that last paste, Matt| / hypa7ia?
[10:33] <gwildor_> erik_, what are you burning?
[10:34] <erik_> gwildor_, amd64 ubuntu iso
[10:34] <Matt|> no
[10:34] <Desolate> http://pastebin.com/119024 <-- ifup output
[10:34] <erik_> I assume the file is good because I downloaded it via torrent
[10:34] <KingShawn> so ubuntu is only 1 iso file right?
[10:34] <pdaoust> erik_: are you running the burning program as root?
[10:34] <gwildor_> KingShawn, yup
[10:34] <Desolate> and no, afaik mac filtering is not enabled
[10:34] <Matt|> Desolate, ouch that's out of my league
[10:34] <erik_> pdaoust, I just right clicked on the ISO and hit "burn"
[10:34] <erik_> so ... maybe?
[10:34] <erik_> I'm trying again with sudo cdrecord now
[10:35] <xbill> No, but I want to uppgrad eto the latest NVIDIA driver ... for DOOM3 increase performance :)
[10:35] <Desolate> mmh
[10:35] <KingShawn> koolness
[10:35] <KingShawn> i dont see the point of 3 isos
[10:35] <KingShawn> if you can fit it all in 1
[10:35] <KingShawn> ;)
[10:35] <pdaoust> erik_: hmmm, yeah, if you want to use Nautilus' ISO burner, it'd probably be best to go sudo nautilus /location/of/path
[10:35] <pdaoust> erik: and *then* right-click and "burn"
[10:35] <erik_> pdaoust, that's too bad
[10:35] <Desolate> hypa7ia?
[10:36] <Desolate> any ideas?
[10:36] <erik_> why is cd burning as non-root unstable?
[10:36] <gwildor_> to the person with the wireless problem, (im probably wrong ) maybe it isnt wlan0
[10:36] <pdaoust> erik_: it's less stable than root because root can renice the burning process to whatever it wants, thereby avoiding buffer underruns.
[10:36] <hypa7ia> Desolate: does iwconfig look similar to what it did before
[10:37] <pdaoust> erik_: (i.e., change the process priority)
[10:37] <erik_> pdaoust, ah.  didn't know cdrecord would renice itself
[10:38] <pdaoust> erik_: actually, I'm not sure if it does; maybe it just starts out with a high-priority value
[10:38] <Desolate> err, no, it doesn't hypa7ia :/
[10:38] <pdaoust> anyway, chaps, I'm off
[10:38] <hypa7ia> hrm.  i'd bet you
[10:38] <hypa7ia> erk
[10:39] <hypa7ia> you're not associated with the AP this time
[10:39] <Desolate> doesn't look like it
[10:40] <hypa7ia> le boo!
[10:40] <hypa7ia> Desolate: might be time to ask on the list.  they Know Stuff.
[10:40] <xaero> does Ubuntu have better AMD64 support than Debian-AMD64? More updated packages?
[10:40] <Desolate> alright
[10:40] <Desolate> will do
[10:40] <xaero> What gcc flags are used on the AMD64 packages?
[10:40] <Desolate> thanks for the help :)
[10:40] <gwildor_> erik_, burn ok now?
[10:41] <Kyaneos> hi
[10:41] <gwildor_> hihi
[10:41] <Matt|> Desolate, what did you change since it was associating before?
[10:41] <Desolate> well I did ifdown and ifup
[10:41] <hypa7ia> no problemo Desolate, sorry i couldn't do more
[10:41] <ben_> is there a way to make a "guest" account on ubuntu; so you don't need a password to use it?
[10:41] <dablitz> i can post my menu.lst, if someone can give me a hand
[10:42] <gwildor_> ?
[10:42] <Matt|> Desolate, "sudo /etc/init.d/network restart"
[10:42] <Matt|> gwildor_, he wants a splash screen with grub
[10:43] <gwildor_> Matt|, kk, I just didn't see any recent posts from him, soory
[10:43] <Matt|> np
[10:43] <wasabi_> My sound card isn't usable apparently. Things say no mixer elements found. I suspect it is somehow udev related
[10:43] <Matt|> gwildor_, it was a while ago
[10:43] <gwildor_> Matt|, I remember now
[10:43] <gwildor_> :)
[10:44] <xaero> Ordering Ubuntu CDs are 100% free, right?
[10:45] <Matt|> xaero, yes
[10:45] <gwildor_> yup
[10:45] <Chibi> Yes
[10:45] <xaero> good :)
[10:45] <gwildor_> I win
[10:45] <Matt|> someone help out wasabi!!
[10:45] <Chibi> I win >O
[10:45] <wasabi_> I figured it out
[10:45] <gwildor_> <---newb
[10:45] <Chibi> I was first!
[10:45] <wasabi_> reporting bug. ;)
[10:45] <Matt|> we were all in the same second
[10:45] <Matt|> wasabi, oh thanks!
[10:45] <Chibi> Well, true.
[10:45] <Matt|> good on ya
[10:45] <Chibi> >.>;
[10:45] <xaero> LOL i'm gonna order Ubuntu to Redmond ;)
[10:45] <Matt|> obviously everyone sees their own first
[10:45] <xaero> (MS)
[10:45] <Matt|> xaero, you live there?
[10:45] <gwildor_> Matt|, really?
[10:46] <Chibi> xaero- We're funded by a rich guy. :P
[10:46] <xaero> Matt|: to microsoft ;)
[10:46] <hypa7ia> yay mark!
[10:46] <Matt|> xaero, you work there?
[10:46] <xaero> no. -.-
[10:46] <xaero> no way
[10:46] <gwildor_> lol
[10:46] <xaero> you're hurting my feelings ;)
[10:46] <Matt|> aw come on. They pay well, and treat their employees well
[10:46] <xaero> well, dont u think Gates would be happy to have a shitload of Ubuntu CDs? =)
[10:47] <Matt|> he can download em
[10:47] <gwildor_> wonder what ms uses for servers, being as there stuff is so insecure
[10:47] <CoryK> gwildor_ they use windows
[10:47] <xaero> hehe
[10:47] <Matt|> gwildor_, obviously they use their own stuff
[10:47] <CoryK> twice in a week or 2 they had to take their ftp servers down
[10:47] <hypa7ia> gwildor_: remember when hotmail moved from FreeBSD to windows?
[10:47] <gwildor_> lol
[10:47] <Desolate> ok, I'm reconnected to the router, Matt|
[10:47] <Matt|> Desolate, jolly good
[10:47] <CoryK> after internal accounting files made their way to public ftp
[10:47] <gwildor_> Matt|, joke :)
[10:47] <Desolate> yeah, still no inet connection though :p
[10:48] <redemption> Hello
[10:48] <Matt|> Desolate, what is in /etc/network/interfaces?
[10:48] <hypa7ia> hey redemption, how goes?
[10:50] <Desolate> Matt|: http://pastebin.com/119034
[10:50] <Desolate> oh and there's an "auto lo / iface lo inet loopback" above that
[10:51] <Matt|> Desolate, that is all fine
[10:51] <Matt|> you are getting an ip address, and you can ping the router... must be something wrong with the router
[10:52] <Desolate> sure about that first part?
[10:52] <redemption> Pretty good, yourself, Hypa7ia?
[10:52] <Desolate> where's the IP?
[10:52] <Matt|> Desolate, thought so
[10:52] <ogra> Daeso: ifconfig
[10:52] <Matt|> Desolate, ifconfig wlan-
[10:52] <Matt|> *0
[10:52] <Desolate> ah
[10:52] <Desolate> right
[10:52] <Matt|> Desolate, you can't ping 216.239.57.99?
[10:52] <Matt|> hi ogra
[10:53] <ogra> Matt|: did you check /etc/resolv.conf ?
[10:53] <ogra> hi ;)
[10:53] <Desolate> nope, I can't
[10:53] <Matt|> ogra, he can't ping ip address either apparently
[10:53] <hypa7ia> i'm rockin', redemption.  had some issues with a bunch of my domain names, got it sorted.  and got my internal wifi card working!
[10:53] <gwildor_> ogra, hello, bot
[10:53] <ogra> hi all
[10:53] <Matt|> yo
[10:53] <gwildor_> lol
[10:53] <redemption> hypa7ia: SWeet!  I know wifi cards can be a pain in the ass on linux.
[10:54] <Matt|> Desolate, gimme the url for ifconfig again?
[10:54] <hypa7ia> redemption: yeah :-/  it's one of the new intel ones, they;re actually making a driver for it... was just not mature enough last time i tried it
[10:54] <Desolate> http://pastebin.com/119022
[10:54] <Matt|> *laughs*
[10:54] <Matt|> no way
[10:55] <Matt|> he is just a silly hippy
[10:55] <Matt|> i'd like a word with Matt though
[10:55] <hypa7ia> silly hippy, no blunt for you
[10:55] <gwildor_> hehe
[10:55] <hypa7ia> heh, when i get my bot running, that's going in it :-)
[10:55] <redemption> hehe.
[10:55] <gwildor_> omg 5 mins
[10:56] <Matt|> Desolate, yeah looks all fine
[10:56] <Desolate> so, by all accounts, I should be able to connect to the internet via the linux machine
[10:56] <ogra> Desolate: route -n
[10:56] <hypa7ia> yuppers
[10:57] <Matt|> Desolate, i've compared it with mine: identical
[10:58] <Desolate> Kernel IP routing table
[10:58] <Desolate> Destination    Gateway    Genmask    Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[10:58] <Desolate> that's the route -n output
[10:58] <ogra> thats all ? lol
[10:58] <Desolate> yep
[10:59] <Matt|> that's not good
[10:59] <Echylo> can you set different backgrounds for different desktops?
[10:59] <ogra> Desolate: try if this workd.... sudo route add default wlan0
[10:59] <ogra> s
[10:59] <Matt|> Echylo, you mean different workspaces? don't think so
[10:59] <Echylo> ok
[10:59] <Desolate> aha
[11:00] <Echylo> nope
[11:00] <Matt|> Desolate, :)?
[11:00] <Echylo> other question
[11:00] <Echylo> how to launch another session :|
[11:00] <xenonite> hi, how can I manually set the DNS-Server-IP?
[11:00] <xenonite> oops i found it
[11:01] <Matt|> Echylo, what do you mean?
[11:01] <gwildor_> bye bye.......] 
[11:01] <Echylo> well like 2 graphical sessions
[11:01] <Echylo> that you can tab with alt F*
[11:01] <pdaoust> xenonite: not sure; dhcp has always worked for me, so I'm a little weak in the world of networking ^_^
[11:01] <Matt|> oh
[11:01] <Desolate> http://pastebin.com/119035
[11:01] <Matt|> good question
[11:01] <xenonite> thanx!
[11:02] <ogra> Echylo: Applications->Systemtools-> New Login
[11:02] <Matt|> Echylo, try logging in in alt F2 and then starting your xserver
[11:02] <thoreauputic> Echylo: dive into a console ( ctrl-alt-F2 ) , login , startx -- :1
[11:02] <wasabi_> totem shoud not show a video area when it's playing music.
[11:02] <ogra> Desolate: sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1
[11:02] <ogra> Desolate: guessing your router is 192.168.1.1
[11:02] <Matt|> ogra, nice one with the login
[11:03] <Desolate> yes, it is
[11:03] <ogra> Matt|: install xnest *G*
[11:03] <Matt|> what is that?
[11:03] <ogra> Matt|: "New Login in Window"
[11:03] <Desolate> alright, well now the second line has 192.168.1.1 for Gateway and UG for flags
[11:03] <Desolate> Destination is still 1.0
[11:04] <ogra> ping it
[11:04] <Echylo> thoreauputic, are you sure?
[11:04] <Echylo> startx --:1 ?
[11:04] <xaero> are the amd64 packages optimized for amd64?
[11:04] <wasabi_> Does Ubuntu have any sort of DDNS system for updating a DDNS supporting dns server when the address changes?
[11:04] <thoreauputic> Echylo: startx -- :1  (spaces important)
[11:04] <wasabi_> not that dyndns crap, but real tsig
[11:04] <Desolate> PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 56(84) bytes of data, rest are destination host unreachable
[11:04] <teleyinex> hi
[11:04] <Echylo> is that a one?
[11:04] <HrdwrBoB> wasabi_: I daresay that you would have to set that up yourself
[11:04] <teleyinex> i want to try the livecd
[11:05] <wasabi_> suck.
[11:05] <thoreauputic> Echylo: yep
[11:05] <HrdwrBoB> teleyinex: then download it:)
[11:05] <ogra> Desolate: does pinging yourself work ?
[11:05] <teleyinex> i have burned it, and when im going to try i get this error: grub loading, please wait
[11:05] <thoreauputic> Echylo: I don't use gdm here, so ymmv
[11:05] <teleyinex> error 21
[11:05] <teleyinex> what could be?
[11:05] <Echylo> now it works :)
[11:05] <xbill> IS there a clean installation of the latest NVIDIA 6629 f=driver under Ubuntu ... I don't want to destroy my linuxette with the NVIDIA-6629-SH installer
[11:05] <Desolate> ogra: 127.0.0.1?
[11:05] <teleyinex> cause with knoppix i dont have any problems
[11:05] <Desolate> works fine
[11:05] <ogra> Desolate: nope, the 192 address
[11:06] <Desolate> ah
[11:06] <ogra> wlan0
[11:06] <thoreauputic> Echylo: ctrl-alt-F7 to return
[11:06] <Desolate> works fine too
[11:06] <HrdwrBoB> xbill: the nvidia drivers package is 6111 atm
[11:06] <ogra> Desolate: tge ESSID is right ?
[11:06] <ogra> h
[11:06] <Desolate> yes
[11:07] <Desolate> I'm connected to the router...
[11:07] <Matt|> the key?
[11:07] <Matt|> what card is it btw?
[11:07] <Desolate> it isn't
[11:07] <Desolate> :P
[11:07] <teleyinex> someone could help me?
[11:07] <SuperLag> teleyinex: 42
[11:07] <socomm> Is there a way of up grading to hoary via apt?
[11:07] <SuperLag> teleyinex: the answer is 4
[11:07] <Matt|> Desolate, ?
[11:07] <Desolate> it's a Wireless USB Adapter MN-510 (Microsoft)
[11:07] <SuperLag> 42, that is :)
[11:07] <Desolate> the router is a linksys though
[11:07] <teleyinex> what?
[11:07] <teleyinex> what do you mean with 4?
[11:07] <teleyinex> 4 what?
[11:07] <Matt|> Desolate, maybe WEP isn't supported yet?
[11:07] <SuperLag> teleyinex: I'm just  being silly.  What's up?
[11:08] <teleyinex> ok
[11:08] <teleyinex> sry
[11:08] <thoreauputic> teleyinex: HGTG joke
[11:08] <SuperLag> socomm: edit /etc/apt/sources.list s/warty/hoary
[11:08] <teleyinex> so no one have had this problem, no?
[11:08] <Desolate> Matt|: well the network is running fine...
[11:09] <socomm> SuperL4g: Thanks.
[11:09] <Matt|> Desolate, sometimes the linux drivers for some cards do not support wep. But i assume that isn't the problem: you can access the router and are given an ip so...
[11:09] <ogra> Desolate: how do you know if you cant ping ?
[11:09] <Matt|> he can ping the router
[11:09] <xenonite> hi timmi
[11:09] <ogra> i thought he cant ?
[11:09] <timmi> hi
[11:09] <Desolate> I'm connected to the router itself...
[11:10] <Desolate> I just can't access the internet
[11:10] <Matt|> ogra, earlier he pinged the router
[11:10] <ogra> Desolate: how ?
[11:10] <Desolate> wirelessly?
[11:10] <ogra> Desolate: so its a prob with the router
[11:10] <Matt|> yeh
[11:10] <Desolate> hmm
[11:10] <Matt|> ogra, router is working on his other pc
[11:10] <teleyinex> well gnoppix has the same problem, so is a fucking bug in grub
[11:10] <teleyinex> i know why i dont like grub
[11:10] <ogra> Desolate: post again the output of route -n in pastebin
[11:11] <teleyinex> the problem its that i cant try it
[11:11] <teleyinex> cya!
[11:11] <ogra> Desolate: whats your other system running ?
[11:11] <Desolate> windows
[11:11] <Desolate> xp
[11:11] <Desolate> actually, it might not be xp
[11:12] <Desolate> I think it's ME, since it's an older pc
[11:12] <Matt|> *laughs*
[11:12] <Desolate> yeah :P
[11:12] <Matt|> ouch
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> step a) remove windows ME
[11:12] <HrdwrBoB> step b) install *ANY* other OS
[11:12] <Matt|> *laughs*
[11:12] <Matt|> windows ME rocks
[11:12] <Desolate> lol
[11:12] <socomm> step 1) get a preist
[11:13] <ogra> Desolate: compare the output of: route print
[11:13] <socomm> step 2) perform an excorsizm [sp?]  on your hdd.
[11:13] <ogra> Desolate: of your xp box
[11:13] <thoreauputic> socomm: step 3) ? step 4) Profit!!
[11:13] <ogra> Desolate: of your ME box ....
[11:14] <thoreauputic> socomm: oops typo step 4) Prophet !!!
[11:15] <Desolate> err, route print?
[11:15] <socomm> thoreauputic: haha.
[11:15] <hypa7ia> ME???!
[11:15] <Desolate> yes, ME :P
[11:15] <Desolate> lol
[11:15] <wasabi_> So what are the policy's on teh Ubuntu wiki? I have a very detailed application proposal i'd like to get immortalized someplace. Wondering if I can just plop it on the Wiki on an unlinked page and not get yelled at. ;)
[11:16] <HrdwrBoB> wasabi_: that's what wikis are for :)
[11:16] <Bernhard> hi
[11:16] <wasabi_> Well, then i'll put it up. ;)
[11:16] <Matt|> wasabi, is it a requet for an application?
[11:16] <socomm> wasabi: wiki's are usually a public space where anyone can read write to it.
[11:17] <wasabi_> Matt|: no, it's a proposal.
[11:17] <Matt|> *request
[11:17] <wasabi_> Matt|: technical in nature.
[11:17] <Desolate> oh my bad
[11:17] <Matt|> wasabi, you're gonna write one?
[11:17] <wasabi_> Matt|: in fact i'll be working on it... but I want the idea out there.
[11:17] <Desolate> it's xp, not ME
[11:17] <Matt|> wasabi, ah k
[11:17] <Desolate> I forgot I uninstalled ME :P
[11:17] <hypa7ia> wasabi_: what's the idea?
[11:17] <ogra> Desolate: routeprint in a dos box
[11:17] <thoreauputic> wasabi_: one policy is not allowing anyone to post who uses unecessary apostrophes or spells "the" as "teh" </joke>
[11:17] <wasabi_> Heh.
[11:17] <ogra> Desolate: route print  sorry
[11:17] <socomm> wasabi: Why not post it on some sort of mailing list?
[11:18] <Matt|> wasabi, or ask in #ubuntu-devel
[11:18] <HrdwrBoB> thoreauputic: teh is the new black
[11:18] <wasabi_> socomm: Not sure of an appropiate mailing lists. ;)
[11:18] <socomm> xchat won't let me spell the `teh' :(
[11:18] <HrdwrBoB> socomm: haha yes
[11:18] <Matt|> socomm, remove it from autoreplace
[11:18] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: the old black was white, I believe ;)
[11:19] <Matt|> teh
[11:19] <Matt|> w00t
[11:19] <HrdwrBoB> http://www.icculus.org/~chunky/images/random/haxorpc.jpg
[11:20] <wasabi_> hypa7ia: https://jack.feedbackplusinc.com/JSPWiki/Wiki.jsp?page=DomainConfigurationUtility
[11:20] <Matt|> http://carcino.gen.nz/images/index.php/42e23aa3/63ed627e
[11:20] <thoreauputic> HrdwrBoB: heheh
[11:20] <redemption> anyone here fairly familiar with sed and bash scripting?
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> redemption: somewhat
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> ask the question
[11:21] <socomm> http://www.icculus.org/~chunky/images/random/2004election_by_iq.jpg
[11:21] <HrdwrBoB> socomm: yeah that image is enlightening
[11:22] <Desolate> ogra: http://pastebin.com/119038
[11:22] <redemption> here is a script I have located in ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts/
[11:22] <redemption> #! /bin/bash
[11:22] <redemption> DIRECTORY=${NAUTILUS_SCRIPT_CURRENT_URI#file://}/
[11:22] <redemption> BOOKNAME=${NAUTILUS_SCRIPT_SELECTED_URIS#$NAUTILUS_SCRIPT_CURRENT_URI/}
[11:22] <redemption> BOOK=${BOOKNAME/.rtf/}
[11:22] <redemption> cd $DIRECTORY
[11:22] <redemption> sed -e "s/\\\emdash /--/g" "$BOOKNAME" > "tmp.rtf"
[11:22] <redemption> sed -e "s/\\\rquote /'/g" "tmp.rtf" > "tmp1.rtf"
[11:22] <redemption> rtfreader "tmp1.rtf" > "joe.txt"
[11:22] <redemption> sed -e "s/3\([^34] *\)4/\"\1\"/g" "joe.txt" > "joe.1txt"
[11:22] <redemption> txt2pdbdoc "$BOOK" "joe.txt" "$BOOK.pdb"
[11:23] <redemption> #rm -f "$BOOK.txt" "$BOOK.1txt" "tmp.rtf" "tmp1.rtf"
[11:23] <redemption> #mv "$BOOK.pdb" ~/ms/PALM/PROGRAMS/Docs/
[11:23] <ogra> Desolate: try sudo route del default wlan0
[11:23] <thoreauputic> redemption: read the topic, please!
[11:23] <ogra> Desolate: my fault, there is one too much
[11:23] <redemption> ah, sorry.
[11:23] <Desolate> ok
[11:23] <Desolate> and then?
[11:24] <ogra> Desolate: you should be able to ping...
[11:24] <jdub> hypa7ia: btw... oddly enough, the registered 'hypatia' is the significant other of one of the canonical hackers :-)
[11:24] <hypa7ia> jdub: really?  who?
[11:25] <jdub> spiv's girlfriend == hypatia
[11:25] <ogra> hey jdub...nice OOo decision ;)
[11:25] <Matt|> man you guys have weird name
[11:25] <hypa7ia> spiv.... *reveals ignorance*
[11:25] <Matt|> s
[11:25] <jdub> Matt|: andrew bennetts, not on the ubuntu team.
[11:25] <jdub> but hangs around here - hi spiv! :)
[11:25] <redemption> http://www.pastebin.com/119041  is the location for the script
[11:26] <redemption> When I run this script, it creates two empty files tmp.rtf and tmp1.rtf
[11:26] <Matt|> does anyone play supertux?
[11:26] <redemption> Though, they shouldn't be empty.  It's like sed doesn't want to output to a file.
[11:27] <Matt|> jdub, hey do you guys at canonical employ lawyers?
[11:27] <Desolate> ogra: Destination is now .1.0 though
[11:27] <Desolate> and there's no gateway
[11:27] <thoreauputic> hypa7ia: you a mathematician? :)
[11:27] <ogra> Desolate: only one line ? or two ?
[11:28] <hypa7ia> thoreauputic: nope, a historian of science :-)
[11:28] <Hikaru79> Are there any linux programs that can read .lit files? (Ebook reader)
[11:28] <jdub> Matt|: no lawyers-by-job-description on staff as yet.
[11:28] <Matt|> *laughs*
[11:28] <Matt|> jdub, some wannabe lawyers huh
[11:28] <Matt|> jdub, all you GPL people are lawyers at heart
[11:28] <thoreauputic> hypa7ia: ah - but not from Alexandria, evidently :)
[11:28] <redemption> Hikaru79: there is a program called openclit that can kinda decode it to html
[11:28] <Desolate> ogra: there's two lines
[11:28] <jdub> i don't know if there's any lawyers-by-education on the team, there might be
[11:28] <Desolate> one is all 0.0.0.0
[11:29] <thoreauputic> openclit??
[11:29] <socomm> Matt|: BSD for ever!!!!1
[11:29] <Matt|> socomm, ok
[11:29] <redemption> openConvertLit.
[11:29] <Hikaru79> Thanks, redemption
[11:29] <Hikaru79> :)
[11:29] <ogra> Desolate: that one is wrong....
[11:29] <redemption> *shrugs* what they nameed it.
[11:29] <Matt|> jdub, i'll come and apply for a job as a lawyer in a couple of years :)
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> Matt|: yeah but a actual Legal Advice carries a hell of a lot more weight than even a well researched IANAL opinion
[11:30] <Matt|> IANAL?
[11:30] <thoreauputic> redemption: yeah clit = key more or less
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> I Am Not A Lawyer
[11:30] <Matt|> :)
[11:30] <Matt|> you think?
[11:30] <Desolate> ogra: how do I get rid of it? and how do I change the destination to .1.1
[11:30] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[11:31] <Matt|> i'm not sure
[11:31] <HrdwrBoB> I can give you a lot of advice for instance, on the legalities of modifying cars in victoria and the laws that revolve around that
[11:31] <ogra> Desolate: sudo route del default gw 192.168.1.1
[11:31] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, *laughs*
[11:31] <ogra> Desolate: sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1
[11:31] <HrdwrBoB> but I don't have an intimate understanding of the law, nor an easy reference for the particulars
[11:31] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, i guess the skill of lawyers really lies in the ability to research topics rather than actual knowledge
[11:31] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[11:31] <redemption> anyone know why sed would not want to output to a file with "> file.txt" when run as a nautilus script
[11:31] <mirak> is there something similar to pmount but for non device block file systems ?
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> but the main thing is accountability
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> a lawyer has to be SURE
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> he's paid to be sure
[11:32] <ogra> Desolate: there should be two lines:
[11:32] <Bernhard> Is there any documentation about main, restricted and universe?
[11:32] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, you're scaring me...
[11:32] <ogra> 192.168.1.0      0.0.0.0       255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 wlan0
[11:32] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, the law is not always sure :)
[11:32] <Matt|> otherwise there would be no court cases
[11:32] <ogra> and second:
[11:32] <ogra> 0.0.0.0          192.168.1.1   0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 wlan0
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> Matt|: yes, but a lawyer has to be :)
[11:32] <Desolate> nope
[11:32] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, not possible
[11:32] <Desolate> second says 0.0.0.0 for gw
[11:32] <HrdwrBoB> Matt|: even if he says he's not sure if it'll work, he has to be sure about that
[11:33] <ogra> Desolate: try sudo route del default
[11:33] <ogra> Desolate: does that complain ?
[11:33] <HrdwrBoB> essentially the burden of worrying about whether something is illegal or not (or whatever) is shifted onto the lawyer
[11:33] <Desolate> done, ogra
[11:33] <Desolate> now it looks like that
[11:34] <Desolate> but brb
[11:35] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, you're being cryptic
[11:35] <Matt|> :p
[11:35] <hypa7ia> HrdwrBoB: that's why i'm gonna make such a great lawyer.  my elite google skillz :-)
[11:35] <Matt|> *laughs*
[11:35] <Matt|> hypa7ia, that is actually really important
[11:35] <hypa7ia> Matt|: i knoe
[11:35] <hypa7ia> knoW
[11:36] <Matt|> not google, but search terms
[11:36] <iZm> Anybody got the mplayer plugin for firefox in multiverse on warty working? It seems to get to 99% and then just stop there.
[11:36] <HrdwrBoB> Matt|: cryptic is also an important legal skill
[11:36] <HrdwrBoB> otherwise, people might understand what you mean
[11:36] <hypa7ia> both my parents are lawyers, mum's a federal judge.  i've thought like a lawyer since like age 10
[11:36] <Matt|> *laughs*
[11:36] <Matt|> damn cynic
[11:36] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[11:36] <HrdwrBoB> that said, IANAL
[11:36] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, is that election table for real?
[11:37] <HrdwrBoB> Matt|: yes
[11:37] <Matt|> *laughs*
[11:37] <Matt|> omg
[11:37] <Rene_S> asrgg what  crappy nap
[11:37] <Matt|> i've lost all respect for mississipi
[11:37] <Matt|> ppi
[11:37] <Towny> hey, i'm just d/l'ing Ubuntu for the first time.. what can I expect?
[11:38] <Matt|> Towny, r0x0rs
[11:38] <subterrific> you had some to begin with? you must have never been there
[11:38] <hypa7ia> Towny: well, it does the dishes and is potty-trained
[11:38] <Rene_S> You can expect a nice smooth dl
[11:38] <hypa7ia> Towny: ever installed debian?
[11:38] <Rene_S> and after i tells you how good i am
[11:40] <Rene_S> So how is everybody this evening ?
[11:41] <ogra> Rene_S: so how good are you ? my ubuntu missed this one....
[11:41] <Simira> relieved over my new Ubuntu now with mailserver working perfectly
[11:41] <Rene_S> ogra,  i was typing in the wrong window on that one
[11:41] <ogra> lol
[11:42] <Rene_S> just was hoping it would slide on bye
[11:42] <Simira> hehe
[11:42] <ogra> *g*
[11:42] <Simira> anyone here going to Matar?
[11:42] <ogra> yep
[11:43] <Rene_S> I chartered a dingy
[11:43] <JDahl> bob2, I was discussing writing an openAFS wiki with you yesterday - I am going to put that on hold until it matures a bit: after testing the 2.6.8 client more thorougly I decided to stop using it... it crashes quite frequently - the kernel module even crashes linux occasionally
[11:43] <Towny> hypa7ia, not exactly.. I've installed KNoppix to my hard drive before, does that count?
[11:44] <hypa7ia> Towny: yup
[11:44] <hypa7ia> this is about that easy
[11:44] <ogra> JDahl: he's away
[11:44] <hypa7ia> if not easier
[11:44] <Towny> hypa7ia, does it have development tools? or can I just get that from synaptic?
[11:44] <epod> Hey, I'm having issues with CD burning, k3b, and warty.. anyone who can perhaps direct me to instructions on how to make it work?
[11:44] <Desolate> alright, back
[11:44] <eclipse> how do u upgrade from XFree86 to X.org?
[11:44] <ogra> Towny: buteverything is integrated a bit better.....feels smoother
[11:45] <Desolate> ogra: the route -n shows what it's supposed to now...
[11:45] <Matt|> eclipse, with difficulty
[11:45] <ogra> Desolate: can you ping ?
[11:45] <hypa7ia> Towny: you can grab them from synaptics
[11:45] <eclipse> well, can u show me how matt|
[11:45] <eclipse> ?
[11:45] <Matt|> eclipse, i meant, with REAL serious difficulty
[11:45] <Desolate> same as before, ogra
[11:46] <Rene_S> nice Ubuntu didnt choke on the 685 000 item newsgroup like other linux's have
[11:46] <eclipse> well can u show me how?
[11:46] <Matt|> eclipse, are you running hoary?
[11:46] <ogra> Desolate: ping 192.168.1.100
[11:46] <tigmore> hello
[11:46] <eclipse> just changed to that recently
[11:46] <Desolate> desination host unreachable
[11:46] <Matt|> eclipse, ah ok that makes it a lot easier
[11:47] <Matt|> eclipse, "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[11:47] <eclipse> i just did apt-get install x.org-common
[11:47] <Matt|> eclipse, no don't do that
[11:47] <ogra> Desolate: and the 192.168.1.1 as well ?
[11:47] <Towny> is eclipse 3.x in synaptic?
[11:47] <subterrific> epod: use gksudo k3b to burn as root
[11:47] <eclipse> no?
[11:47] <Matt|> eclipse, you need to upgrade the whole system
[11:47] <Gwildor> taking a poll, should i go hoary or not?
[11:47] <eclipse> the whole system?
[11:47] <Matt|> Gwildor, what do you use your pc for?
[11:47] <tigmore> gaim for ubuntu could sure use voice im capabilities is anyone working on this
[11:47] <Matt|> eclipse, yeah
[11:47] <subterrific> epod: its a bug in the 2.6.8 kernel
[11:48] <ogra> Gwildor: can you handle breakages ?
[11:48] <eclipse> is it stable?
[11:48] <Matt|> eclipse, you said you were on hoary already??!?
[11:48] <ogra> eclipse: development branch
[11:48] <Desolate> correct, ogra
[11:48] <Gwildor> Matt|, everything, but nothing is on here important to me, i can have it back to the way it is after an install in about an hour
[11:48] <Towny> is there someplace to view on the web what is available through the "universal" repository on ubuntu
[11:48] <Gwildor> ogra, is it for sure gonna break, or just a maybe?
[11:48] <eclipse> well, no i just changed the sources.list to hoary
[11:48] <Rene_S> hypa7ia, Guess WHO ?
[11:48] <HrdwrBoB> Gwildor: stuff might break, but everything works for me
[11:48] <Matt|> eclipse, oh you haven't upgraded it yet?
[11:49] <eclipse> no
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> Gwildor: just make sure you install gamin
[11:49] <epod> subterrific: is there a patch or something I can apply? Anything I can do about it?
[11:49] <epod> subterrific: apt-get install linux-686-smp-2.9 or something? :)
[11:49] <eclipse> r u using hoary?
[11:49] <Matt|> eclipse, yes
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[11:49] <Gwildor> HrdwrBoB,  what is that...and why?
[11:49] <ogra> Gwildor: it _must_ not but it also can _heavy_
[11:49] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, is that not added yet?
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> Gwildor: it is a replacement for FAM
[11:49] <subterrific> epod: i think you just have to use sudo to burn as root :\
[11:49] <hypa7ia> Rene_S: who who
[11:49] <Gwildor> ogram i am aware that it may,  what are the chances?
[11:49] <epod> subterrific: hm I see.  Ok.
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> Matt|: it's not a direct dependancy, so you have to make sure you install it
[11:49] <Gwildor> HrdwrBoB, what is fam?
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> Gwildor: file alteration monitor
[11:49] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, surely they should add that as a dependency
[11:49] <Rene_S> hypa7ia, wth, you turn into a owl overnight ?
[11:50] <Gwildor> HrdwrBoB, kk, thnx :)
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> it looks at dirs that are open and updats them when files change
[11:50] <ogra> Gwildor: god knows.... or jdub perhaps :)
[11:50] <Matt|> Gwildor, you don't need to know, just install gamin after you update to hoary
[11:50] <epod> subterrific: don't suppose you know how I can make K3b not look like crap, eh? ;)  I don't have KDE installed (just the default gnome) and man is k3b uggglly
[11:50] <subterrific> epod: i'm not really sure, this is just what i've gathered from other people. i don't have a burner in my ubuntu machine
[11:50] <tigmore> i just switched from fedoracore yellowdog and darwin i would like to see some communication variety in gaim
[11:50] <epod> subterrific: ok then, thanks :)
[11:50] <Gwildor> k, guys....here i go
[11:50] <eclipse> well, is hoary stable or it is buggy?
[11:50] <Matt|> buggy
[11:50] <subterrific> stable
[11:50] <epod> I'm gonna guess buggy
[11:50] <Matt|> :p
[11:50] <Rene_S> Its a bit of bother
[11:50] <ogra> depends
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> eclipse: hoary is neither stable, nor bug ridden
[11:50] <Rene_S> both
[11:51] <tigmore> im a ppc user noone seems to have voice chat capabilities for ppc
[11:51] <Matt|> eclipse, it is fine
[11:51] <eclipse> so warty is more stable?
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[11:51] <Matt|> eclipse, a bit more
[11:51] <eclipse> ok
[11:51] <ogra> eclipse: warty is stable, hoary is dev
[11:51] <epod> hoary is always changing, I am guessing
[11:51] <eclipse> but all i want is to upgrade to x.org
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> eclipse: correct
[11:51] <tigmore> warty is cool
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> warty will not change
[11:52] <Matt|> eclipse, either go to hoary or compile and install xorg from source.
[11:52] <eclipse> is there a way i can do that without upgrading other packages?
[11:52] <keknehv> ls
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> but that means also it wil not get updated
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> eclipse: you can change the sources.list
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> update to xorg
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> then change them back
[11:52] <epod> is there a hoary iso? if so grab that.
[11:52] <Gwildor> ogra, i want dist-upgrade, or synaptic smart...correct?
[11:52] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, risky as hell surely
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> Matt|: not really
[11:52] <Matt|> Gwildor, yep
[11:52] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: what do you gain with newer software ?
[11:52] <keknehv> How do I remove whole directories without going in and removing each one individually?
[11:52] <ogra> Gwildor: right
[11:52] <Gwildor> Matt|, kk, what i thought, thnx
[11:52] <Matt|> ogra, kudos
[11:52] <Rene_S> Here is how i explain it : If you have a standard pc, not running anything too funky like wifi, or bizarro pcmcia, or star wars defence apps then hoary should be ok to run
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> ogra: whatever is in the newer software :)
[11:52] <keknehv> (each file)
[11:52] <Matt|> keknehv, -R
[11:52] <epod> keknehv: rm -R
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> ogra: including new features, and also new bugs!
[11:53] <eclipse> HrdwrBoB: can u help me?
[11:53] <keknehv> OH
[11:53] <Matt|> keknehv, -r sorry
[11:53] <thoreauputic> keknehv: rm -rf
[11:53] <epod> no,-R ;)
[11:53] <Matt|> keknehv, to be used CAREFULLY
[11:53] <tigmore> anyone familiar with ubuntu on imacs
[11:53] <ben_> anyone good with rig? i need help with math hw
[11:53] <epod> yeah, don't sudo rm -rf /
[11:53] <epod> it'd bad :P
[11:53] <ben_> *trig
[11:53] <camden> epod: have you ever done that to a working system?
[11:53] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: i use my system to work with them....i cant bear any outages because of bugs.....
[11:53] <Gwildor> HrdwrBoB, can i install gamin along with the upgrade, or do i need to wait?, i am using synaptic?
[11:53] <Matt|> epod, i thought it was -R ;P
[11:53] <epod> camden: yes, they don't remain working.
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> ogra: precisely, this is why you use warty! :)
[11:53] <epod> Matt|: I'm dumb.
[11:54] <epod> :)
[11:54] <ogra> yep
[11:54] <camden> epod: it's actually pretty interesting how far it'll go.
[11:54] <Riddell> epod: install kdeartwork-styles and put widgetStyle=plastik in ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals  (to make k3b look sensible)
[11:54] <Kirsch> how do u change the increment steps for powernowd?
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> Gwildor: it might be depended on now, just upgrade, then check it
[11:54] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: in fact i got a hoary playground here....
[11:54] <epod> camden: /. had a thing on that the other day
[11:54] <epod> Riddell: ahhh nice, thanks :)
[11:54] <Gwildor> HrdwrBoB, kk
[11:54] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: but pretty unused
[11:54] <Keybuk> Kirsch: I think it just uses whatever step your processor can do
[11:54] <epod> Riddell: I can do that even w/o KDE installed?
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> cool
[11:54] <camden> epod: oh, really? I used to read /. every day but I miss most of the stuff on there now.
[11:54] <Riddell> epod: don't see why not
[11:54] <Kirsch> Keybuk: well i know that my processor can do more than 1.20GHz and 2.20GHz
[11:55] <Keybuk> syndicate scott% cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
[11:55] <Keybuk> 1600000 1400000 1200000 1000000 800000 600000
[11:55] <epod> Riddell: excellent :)
[11:55] <Keybuk> and those are the frequencies I see powernowd cycle through
[11:55] <eclipse> Matt| r u running hoary?
[11:55] <tigmore> if you need help for gaim on ubuntu for the visual impaired who can help
[11:56] <Kirsch> it only says 2.2 and 1.2.. i know it can do more tho
[11:56] <Keybuk> Kirsch: that file?
[11:56] <Kirsch> ya
[11:56] <Keybuk> what processor type is it?
[11:56] <Matt|> eclipse, if you are trying just to update to xorg from the hoary sources.list, then the package you need to update is x-window-system-core
[11:56] <thoreauputic> tigmore: probably more a question for the gaim developers?
[11:56] <Keybuk> it's not a powernowd issue then, it's the kernel that thinks you just have a flip/flop processor
[11:56] <jdub> Riddell: what's the global location for that default?
[11:56] <Matt|> eclipse, yes i'm running hoary
[11:56] <Matt|> Be BaCk LaTeR
[11:56] <eclipse> ok
[11:57] <eclipse> so apt-get x-window-system-core will update my xfree86 to x.org?
[11:57] <Gwildor> jeez, in 35 mins ill have hoary
[11:57] <Kirsch> Keybuk: P4M
[11:57] <Keybuk> Kirsch: P4-M and not P-M ?  that *might* only be able to do the two frequencies, then
[11:58] <tigmore> im very dissapointed in this link
[11:58] <Kirsch> yea, it's the P4-M, not the P-M
[11:58] <Keybuk> eclipse: it'll just install xserver-xorg ... it won't upgrade any already installed xfree86 libraries to xorg
[11:59] <eclipse> Keybuk, so how do i install xfree86 libraries to x.org?
[11:59] <Riddell> jdub: not sure if there is one, it's set in kdelibs/kdefx/kstyle.cpp  (and it's set to plastik by default in KDE 3.4)
[11:59] <camden> what are the benifits of upgrading to xorg?