=== ggi [~ggi@ggi.base.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:23] hi ggi [01:30] Oh, hello. [01:33] Not much going on just now, it seems. [01:34] well, [01:35] it's kind late for us .. although hornbeck should be here somwhere :) [01:35] as he is in the states, and has opposite timezone compared to everyone else. [01:35] are you interested in helping out the doc project? [01:35] :) === sivang smiles evilly :) [01:36] Yes, at least I will be in a couple of weeks' time. I'm kind of busy with essay writing just now, so I'm just... observing. [01:41] I see. nice. Are you already familiar with DocBook ? [01:42] No, I don't think so. I'll go look it up. [01:43] I have some a task that would only require somebody going over a manual in it's xml docbook source form, do what it says and fix it to fit Ubuntu :) [01:43] more specifically, I am referring to the gnome user manual which needs updated for Ubuntu. [01:43] as quite some desktop elements are modified [01:45] Well, I suppose I can have a look. Where will I get it from? [01:46] actually, this is not yet hosted on some central server, but I have a version I already started modifying locally.. We are working on setting up a server to do svn/arch at the moment, and when we have it - we'd put it there [01:48] Do you have a list of things that need to be fixed? [01:49] well, I can send you the file, so you could pick up where I started.. [01:49] when you get tired of this, [01:49] I will take over again.. [01:50] it could use a rework, so you would just need to read it section by section, [01:50] try and follow the instructions, [01:50] and fix where ever you think it deservs on. We could be having diffs , so we'll see what we've done. [01:50] other then that, [01:51] take a look at the new doc team page : lemme know if it's anyway useful in helping you find out what you want, [01:52] it's in : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/teams/documentation [01:53] or was it that brough you here the first place? [01:53] Well, I've looked at it before. [01:54] ok, then we have a wiki todo list, === skyrider [~skyrider@ppp2.pool.123.com.ua] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:55] depends what you best prefer to do, do you have any preferences with regard to documentation work? would you like me to send you the user manual so you could take a glance? [01:56] hi skyrider! (ggi, no I'm not a welcome bot :) [01:56] hi ;) [01:56] I would like to welcome you to the wonderful doc team channel [01:56] for Ubuntu, the human linux distro :) [01:57] Yeah, you could do that. It's getting late (or early) where I am, so I probably won't look at it until morning. I'm finding it hard to focus just now. [01:57] sivang: I know what Ubuntu is [01:57] What size is the file? [01:57] nothing biggy.. It's a snapshot of the CVS head of the 2.6 manual.. [01:58] only the C dir is there, for the C locale , meaning english in the meanwhile. translations should come afterwards. [01:58] skyrider : didn't mean in in an offense, sorry :) [01:58] Ok. Well, you can send it to ggi@btinternet.com. [01:59] sivang: ;) [01:59] ok, thanks. have a look, you can mail me back sivan@workaround.org about it, [01:59] also make sure you subscribe to the mailing list [02:00] we have a very nice set of jokes going htere :) [02:00] there's a link from the docteam main page I before pasted. [02:02] Subscribed. :) [02:03] Where are you from ggi ? [02:03] Bonny Scotland, as they say. [02:04] Where are you from sivang? [02:04] skyrider : Israel, and you? [02:04] I'm from Ukraine [02:04] But my native language is Russian [02:04] ah! It's probably dead cold by now ...:-/ [02:04] and of cource I know Ukrainian :) [02:04] Nice! [02:05] Not so much === Hoodster [~alan@adsl-11-179-21.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:05] In Israel, I have many Russian immigrants freinds :) [02:05] It's pretty cold in Scotland too. It might snow tomorrow, or so I'm told. [02:05] It is about +5 C right now [02:05] ah, well being Israeli, that is enough cold for me :) [02:06] Hey Hoodster ! [02:06] Hi All? Is there a Scotsman in this group? I lived in Scotland for a while and loved it! [02:06] Hi sivang! [02:06] yes there is, [02:06] ggi is :) [02:06] sivang: we all have to much Russian immigrant friends there :) [02:06] haha [02:07] I really like to hear Russian, Germen.. would love to learn those sometime [02:07] :) [02:07] so , are all new people that just joined just accidently reach here? or did you visit some web page? :) [02:08] I found out about this IRC channel from the Ubuntu forums just a minute or two ago. [02:08] I've already knew about this chanell for few weeks. [02:09] form mail lists [02:09] i'm subscribed to ubuntu-doc too [02:09] oh and btw, we have some pending job of working out the gnome-user-manual for anybody interested....:) [02:09] I just nagged at ggi fro that :) [02:10] Please forgive me for asking noobie questions. Doesn't gnome have a user manual? [02:10] skyrider : would love photos of your place if you could send, especially in the snow ;) [02:10] Mailing lists as well. Why, I remember when this team's inception on the -devel list. [02:10] Hoodster : noobie questions are welcomed here! Sheeesh, that's a secret, [02:10] I came to this channel to see what activity there is in the doc and I have an interest in contributing to the Ubuntu cause. [02:10] this channel follows the tradition of #gnome-love.. [02:10] :) [02:11] I mean "documentation department" [02:11] yes no problem. [02:11] sivang: I don't have winter photos [02:11] skyrider : non would also be great :) [02:11] sivang: Actually I don't have too much summer photos too :) [02:11] ok, then *any* photo would do :) Russia is beautiful I know [02:12] sivang: Did you send that file? [02:12] ok, for the sake of my new 3 nice people here, here goes (I should make it a wiki page) [02:12] sivang: I'm in Ukraine! :) But it's neighbourgh of Russia. [02:13] A wiki page about Russia? [02:13] nono ggi, about the gnome manual task :) [02:13] sec. [02:13] I see. [02:13] sivang: I have to search a little for photos actually. [02:13] no prob, take you time! no hurry :) [02:13] sivang: Give me your e-mail and I'll mail you some links. [02:14] Probably tomorrow because it's 3:14am now [02:16] skyrider : no prob, sivang@gmail.com [02:16] ggi : it's 3M ...oops [02:16] it that ok? [02:16] Yeah, it should be fine. [02:17] Are you all the main documentation people for Ubuntu? [02:17] Maybe I should start using my Gmail account, now that they've apparently added POP and SMTP support. [02:18] ggi: really? [02:18] Great news from gmail! [02:18] tha have???? [02:18] ! === sivang is stunned [02:19] I think so. It may not be active on all accounts yet. I saw it on Slashdot yesterday, I think. I'll go look for a link. [02:21] trying to send you... [02:21] but my evo is buggy, using ubuntu unstable :) [02:21] Well, I can't find the /. link, but here's the story on ZDNet: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/0,39020369,39173340,00.htm [02:23] I *would* be using Hoary, but I can't seem to get a working installation from the recently released Array CD. GRUB keeps just hanging. I attribute it to laptop flakiness though. [02:27] sivang: Is it not working? I haven't received anything anyway. [02:27] sending... [02:27] i have a very bad upstream.. [02:27] :( [02:27] Ah. [02:28] 96kbits... [02:28] bad bad bad israeli ISP!!!! [02:28] :) [02:29] Hey, it could be worse. [02:30] sivang: You don't know anything about Ukrainian ISP [02:30] how bad is it? [02:30] dial-up [02:30] 33600 [02:30] bad phone lines [02:30] oh... [02:30] :( [02:30] man, I thought those went of the world [02:30] And (surprise) high costs [02:30] skyrider : are you using such connection now? [02:31] sivang: yeah :((( [02:31] ggi : you also on dial up? I have some irish freind who only 2 weeks ago got broadband..:-/ [02:32] No, I'm on regular British 512/128 ADSL. [02:33] I can't dream about nothing except 115k DSL here. :( [02:35] ggi : nice [02:35] skyrider, nevermind.. It should hold you from helping the doc project , if you like. [02:36] shout your name on the -doc list, I think there's translation work to get done.. [02:36] although the translation framework is at it's dawn, [02:36] that is why I cannot tell exactly [02:37] ok [02:37] right now I'm working on something like Ubuntu post-install guide for russian-peaking users [02:38] Is the doc mail list the best way to get involved in contributing? [02:40] Well, I'm going to give up trying to fix this GRUB thing for now. Night all! [02:40] Hoodster : well, you could always hang out here and see what's going, but the mailing list should be used for offering new ideas, and also consulted before making drastic changes. [02:40] nigh ggi! [02:40] sivang: I'll expect your e-mail to have uploaded by morning :P [02:41] ggi : btw, I would stay with warty at the mean whiel ... hoary is not so stable :) [02:41] ggi : I sure do hope so [02:41] :) [02:41] it still sending.. === ggi [~ggi@ggi.base.supporter.pdpc] has left #ubuntu-doc [""Goodnight!""] [02:42] Hoodster : you should also take a look at the documetnation project / team realted wiki pages, the ubuntu main documentation section etc. [02:42] this should be a good starting point. [02:42] we also have a wiki todo list, [02:42] and there that task that needs done for the next release, [02:42] modifying the gnome-user-maunal to fit ubuntu's quirks [02:43] however, we need to first set up the svn/arch server, so it could be worked collaboritly .. [02:43] sivang: I reviewed the todo list and there was only a limited I thought I could take on at this moment (due to inexperience with creating wiki's) and interaction in a community like Ubuntu. So, I need to start with something small or in conjunction with someone else, perhaps. [02:44] To get my feet wet. [02:45] no problem, there is planty of stuff to do, however this task ir rather big, and is merely reading a document explaining how to do stuff in the gnome desktop, the source looks like html (nothing special really) [02:45] and one should just follow the instructions, and say / modify where it needs it to suit Ubuntu desktop. [02:45] :) [02:45] but not a problem, [02:46] tell me what you would like on contribing, or even better mail the list about it [02:46] :) [02:47] I know HTML, quite well. If that will help. [02:47] I am confortable with editing raw HTML code, rather than a GUI editor. [02:47] it will help you greatly.. [02:48] docbook is xml [02:48] :) [02:48] hehe [02:48] Well, if xml is like html, then I could pick it up quick. [02:51] yes, you could. you could also read about this, [02:51] sivang: One idea I had for contributing at the wiki site was a description of how to create mount points for those Ubuntu users that dual boot with MSWindows. I saw a wiki page on how to mount a MSWindows share over a network, but not on the same machine. This was something I had to do when I first installed Ubuntu. However, it might be covered someplace and I missed it or it is too noobieish. [02:51] Hoodster : find something called Room101 on the wiki, add it there ok ? :) [02:53] sivang: I read something about Room101 but I hadn't actually been there. [02:53] sivang: Thank you for the suggestion. [02:54] no problem, you see this si something that should get automated in the future versions of Ubuntu , and room101 is for those nasty hacks that need to disappear [02:56] sivang: Just for your information: I've created https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RussianDocumentation wiki page [02:56] sivang: Thank you for the explanation. I just found the Room101 page. Now I have to figure out how to add content to it (hehe) [02:56] and written https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuRussianLocalizationHOWTO [02:56] skyrider : :) [02:56] ;) [02:56] it's a work in progress... [02:57] skyrider : ah! this is SUPERB! [02:57] just saw the howto, amazing [02:57] thanks! [02:57] looks very promising, thank you ! (although I cannot read all of this) [02:59] I can't work on it today anymore (4:00 am here). I'll continue writing tomorrow. === George^Deka [~deka@203-173-44-118.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:00] skyrider : have you looked at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/local/ ? [03:00] skyrider : was it you who added the ru section there? [03:00] sivang: yes [03:00] :) [03:00] hi all [03:01] I'm admin of russian mailing list and #ubuntu-ru [03:01] ah! [03:01] finally we meet, why didn [03:01] you say in the first place? [03:01] :) [03:01] Hey George^Deka! I'm nearly fainting.. [03:01] :) [03:02] Why I should start conversation with such words? ;) [03:02] didn't sleep at all.. [03:02] hey sivang why you nearly fainting [03:02] remember last time you been here? [03:02] didn [03:02] get no sleep since :) [03:02] skyrider : :) [03:02] i'm about 24 hours awake [03:02] almost [03:02] sivang: what time is it there [03:03] some nice new people dropped by, so I couldn't leave them to an sleepy channel :) [03:03] and I had some mainpage works etc.. [03:03] sivang: do a world of good for the newbies [03:03] I do! I just can't resist them! [03:03] :) [03:03] sivang: i will finally install ubuntu onto my main machine 2nite or 2morrow [03:04] no problem, make sure you stick to warty the meanwhile..it's getting icky ont he desktop for hoary [03:04] skyrider : make sure you add anything you finished to the main section, thanks [03:05] Quick question: I am in Room101 and logged in. To add an entry at the bottom of the page, I need to fill in the two white boxes (subject and content) and click the 'add a comment' link. correct? [03:05] George^Deka , say hello to Hoodster [03:05] Hoodster : lemme get there also [03:05] sivang: i only got dialup anyway [03:05] Hey George^Deka! You from the Ukraine too? [03:05] sivang: with x.o getting in and everything [03:06] yes.. [03:06] I can see... [03:06] hi Hoodster - no im for australia, how are you [03:06] sivang: What about that last white box at the very bottom? Do I need to anything with that? [03:06] room101 ? [03:06] Hoodster : sec. [03:07] Hoodster : just click on the "edit" tab, to edit the doc source. [03:07] George^Deka: I am okay. Getting my feet wet with Ubuntu documentation. How many people are part of the Ubuntu documentation team? Is it many contributing equally or are there a main 10 or 20 people doing most of the work? [03:09] Hoodster: i am only new too, getting my feet wet (but sivang correct me if i am wrong i have been fairly active and quite vocal) in my first week. There is about 10 people really at a guess. [03:09] Hoodster: how familiar are you with firefox ? [03:09] sivang: The edit page looks like the main page, which I don't want to edit really. But rather, I want to add a new page that links at the bottom of the Room101 page. Am I missing something? [03:10] I use firefox at home and at work. [03:10] George^Deka : I just realized I know nothing of the international community :) skyrider came here, and I jumped on him with my stipid newbie welcoming commette ! [03:10] Hoodster: wheres room 101 page never heard of it [03:10] Hoodster: sec, sorry be with you in a sec. [03:10] sivang: it happens [03:10] sivang: :) [03:11] sivang: get hoodster on ReST and he can add to my firefox howto [03:11] its got ages to go still [03:11] good place to learn a reall active document [03:11] George^Deka: see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Room101 [03:12] ohh i thought room101 must of meant teaching but its bug workarounds hey [03:13] George^Deka : yes, it's the place for the nasty hacks which need get automated in future version of Ubuntu [03:13] sivang: cool now i get it [03:13] I have small question: can I mark some text bold _and_ italic same time using ReST? [03:14] George^Deka: Tell me more about your Firefox HowTo... [03:14] Hoodster: to add a subpage to room101, use the bottom textbox marked new parent, name, replacement, subtopic: then click create [03:15] Hoodster: its just very basic now, if you go into edit you will see comments for things i want to add [03:15] Hoodster: if you know how to upgrade from 0.9.3 to 1.0 your more than welcome to add that [03:15] as long as it is instructions from binaries [03:15] Hoodster : to create a new page, just use the www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MyPage url [03:16] Hoodster : and create the new page, then you would need to add a link to it by editing the room101 page. [03:16] sivang: Okay, I am getting it.. I will check it out. Never done a wiki before.... [03:16] all in all, I am _very_ poor at ReST (I prefer MOinMOin much better) and plovs should be the authority on this. [03:17] Alexander Poslavsky, if I am not mistaken :) [03:17] Hoodster: follow my instructions they are easier [03:17] come to think of it, I do not know ReST at all [03:17] George^Deka : I will leave you too to work out now, [03:17] :) [03:18] Hoodster : George^Deka's might be easier, I have a tendency to do things in awkward ways :) [03:18] So kids, nanny is going to sleep ..:))) [03:18] sivang: bad. Thanks anyway [03:18] sivang: See yea. Get some zzzzz... [03:18] skyrider : why bad? [03:18] sivang: Good night! [03:18] sivang: you don't know ReST [03:19] no I dont :) [03:19] it's bad ;) [03:19] yes it is, however I am going to do stuff in DocBook, so it's not that bad after all [03:19] :) [03:19] I would even feel much better in plain HTML [03:19] but that rest...ah! [03:19] :) [03:19] DocBook is great [03:19] yes, I rally love XML [03:20] But I don't have time to earn it :( [03:20] learn it [03:20] George^Deka : Love them newbies for me will ya? :) [03:20] when I'm away [03:20] George^Deka: I didn't notice the bubble help that pops up when the mouse cursor is over those links (reparent, rename, delete! and create). Thank you for the tip! [03:21] skyrider : basically, it's not that ahrd to get the hang of it, and then you would be okay with only few tags. take a look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocBook [03:21] I've already read that and much more actually [03:21] But I don't feel comfortable with it [03:22] skyrider : ah ok...no prob [03:22] anyway, people this is really good night now! [03:22] :) [03:22] George^Deka: Do I need still need to fill in the two other white boxes (subject and content) or will a new page appear after I click on the 'create' link that I edit? [03:23] no leave them empty [03:23] cya sivang - ill take over for you [03:23] George^Deka: Thanks! [03:23] new wiki page will appear [03:24] hmm, I don't snore that much [03:24] Good bye everybody [03:24] night skyrider [03:24] Hoodster: i started with ReST because of plovs, but your choice really ReST is more powerful [03:25] cya skyrider [03:25] George^Deka: Could you please explain what ReST is? [03:25] hehe [03:26] Hoodster: there are many different langauges you can write the wiki, the 2 preffered ones are ReST and MoinMoin [03:26] George^Deka: I am intrigued to know more about ReST [03:26] Hoodster: wait 1 second [03:26] George^Deka: Do I need to read up on ReST before attempting to create a wiki page? [03:27] I just copied the template and started that way [03:27] but a little reading does not hurt [03:27] ill point you in the right direction === sivang_sleep is for moinmoin [03:29] George^Deka: I am starting to get it. ReST stands for RestructuredText. [03:30] yes [03:31] https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocumentHowto [03:31] there is a link there to a specific page on ReST for more info and tutorials [03:32] George^Deka: Thank you for the links. [03:33] took me forever to find it [03:33] bloody hidden [03:33] plovs_: i think the documentation team area needs a cleanup etc.. [03:34] George^Deka: Documentation Team? [03:35] George^Deka : yes it does, however we do have a new page by now on the main site for the team [03:35] Hoodster: there is a wiki page called documentationteam [03:36] Hoodster: dont worry about it now [03:36] sivang_sleep: really, never knew [03:36] George^Deka : how do I make a link in rest? [03:37] 'what i want the link to say ` [03:37] this are backticks??!?! [03:37] I thought they were for shell use only..:) [03:38] it was writen by perl or python (forget which one) fanatics [03:38] it may even have __ after the end backtick [03:39] dang! in the first tick is plain? or back also? [03:39] George^Deka sivang_sleep: I thank you for the documentation instruction and encouragement. I will try to add that wiki page and will return to this forum because I am highly motivated to contribute to the Ubuntu community. I must go now. Thanks again! [03:39] I mean, here 'wha.... ? [03:40] they are the things on the tilde key next to the 1 key [03:40] ok thanks [03:41] here is a example [03:41] `look on Google `__ [03:41] you do need those __ afterwards [03:42] yes, it killed me for the moment, and in this late/early hour.. [03:42] I must say moin moin is bettter.. [03:42] for new people also wanting to contribute [03:43] http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickref.html [03:43] i know its not the easiest to start off with - but its like python [03:44] cya Hoodster [03:44] i better go too [03:45] cya all [03:45] quite possibley be back on 2nite [03:45] my time 6 or 10 hours away [04:10] back [04:52] gone [06:32] anyone around? [06:42] you guys are always asleep when I am awake [06:42] morning! [06:43] good morning [06:43] how's it going with the server? [06:44] its running [06:44] I switched it to debian sarge [06:44] would you mind checking my ssh for me? [06:44] ssh 69.155.172.150 [06:44] do you have icq/gaim? [06:44] yeah [06:44] emudork99 on aol === dadehoog [~dadehoog@pipp-p-144-138-229-174.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mercurus [~mercurus@pipp-p-144-138-229-174.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:36] I hate ssh :-) [07:36] I am going to bed [07:36] goodnight === mercurus_ [~mercurus@pipp-p-144-138-229-23.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:28] Moin... [09:36] hi! [09:54] Just booking the flight. [09:55] :) === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:41] Okay... found a flight and hotel room. Looks like I will book the whole story in an hour. Sorry guys... I'll be with you. :) [10:43] ChrisH, very nice [10:46] plovs_work: Same days as you btw. :) [10:52] nice, how will you fly? [10:56] In a plane. [10:56] :) Nah... Lufthansa direct flight from Hamburg to BCN. [10:57] I managed to keep the costs under 1000 EUR. Expensive though. [11:16] ChrisH: tried Ryan from Hahn to Girona? [11:16] ChrisH: www.skyscanner.net [11:21] They only offer Germany -> UK. [11:22] That website seems to display trash. [11:46] ChrisH, http://www.bookryanair.com Reus -> Frankfurt 14,99Euro [11:48] ChrisH, or over london, 1 euro hamburg - london! [12:01] plovs_: 1 euro plus taxes, visa fees, extra whatevers... it will be like 25 euros [12:04] ChrisH: Well, ryanair has Hahn->Gerona for like 16GBP+18GBP =~ 34GBP =~ 50EUR return [12:04] Then you need a train to Frankfurt, the bus to hahn (frankfurt to hahn was 11euro one way an year ago) [12:04] So it's 50+22+train to frankfurt [12:05] plus, of course, girona<->matar [12:05] But it should all be much less than 1000eur [12:05] The problem is, Ryanair leaves hahn at 6.25 in the morning [12:05] Ah, no, also at 19:35 [12:08] i'm trying to find flights from riga-barcelona, straight connection, nothing under 800$ (a nice one 2021$, return ticket) [12:09] what online companies have you tried? http://www.vueling.com/ http://www.finnair.com http://www.bookryanair.com [12:15] plovs_: The only low cost from Riga that I see goes to Frankfurt hahn [12:15] plovs_: you can then get another low-cost from hahn, but you'll probably have to spend the night in the airport [12:16] enrico, yes, that's no fun [12:16]