[12:00] <thoreauputic> tigmore: which link?
[12:00] <hypa7ia> camden: it's TEH ELEET GOODNESS
[12:00] <hypa7ia> camden: also, you get to bugtest
[12:00] <mirak> hi
[12:00] <hypa7ia> and there's composite, of course
[12:00] <camden> hypa7ia: hmmm....
[12:00] <Keybuk> eclipse: aptitude upgrade x-window-system-core
[12:00] <ogra> hypa7ia: doesnt work yet
[12:00] <jdub> Riddell: ahr.
[12:00] <camden> composite?
[12:00] <sladen> Kirsch: can you  grep name /proc/cpuinfo  ?
[12:00] <hypa7ia> no composite?  *cries*
[12:01] <jdub> Riddell: was hoping to find an industrial/human like theme for kde, and set that as the default for ubuntu
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> hypa7ia: it works
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> it's just.. slow.. and xcompmgr crashes
[12:01] <camden> but what is composite?
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> camden: off screen compositing
[12:01] <Keybuk> camden: shiny transparent windows, etc.
[12:01] <ogra> hypa7ia: way to go for this....with composite enabled my desktop feels faster via vnc then on the screen itself ;)
[12:01] <HrdwrBoB> allows shadows, transparency and all sorts of things
[12:02] <camden> ohh... but it sound like it's not quite ready for a production env.
[12:02] <sladen> hypa7ia: you can enable Composite in the xorg.conf, but it has issues
[12:02] <Kirsch> sladen: cat /proc/cpu | grep name --> model name       : Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 2.20GHz
[12:02] <eclipse> keybuk, it needs to download like 242MB to install everything
[12:02] <eclipse> that's too much
[12:02] <HrdwrBoB> camden: this is why it's in hoary
[12:02] <hypa7ia> cool, sladen.
[12:02] <Riddell> jdub: is that the theme used by GTK in ubuntu?
[12:02] <camden> hrdwrbob: that makes a hell of a lot of sense. :)
[12:02] <tigmore> this one i need to find a ppc im program for ubuntu that will alow voice conversation to my visually impaired friend thought someone here might have a sugestion thoreauputic but i never got an answer until you
[12:02] <keknehv> how do I remove files after I copy them?
[12:02] <ogra> hypa7ia: no gksudo ..... so no graphical sysmanagement with composite right now
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> tigmore: gnome meeting
[12:03] <socomm> tigmore: festival
[12:03] <hypa7ia> gotcha ogra
[12:03] <Keybuk> eclipse: I'm guessing you're on warty, and want to just cherry-pick xorg from hoary?  or are on hoary and just trying to reduce your download?
[12:03] <neighborlee> is anyone else seeing problems changing download directory ( from dialog not menu ) in firefox 1.0 ?
[12:03] <tigmore> gnome meeting does it allow crossover to yahoo im
[12:03] <eclipse> i just want to cherry-pick xorg from hoary
[12:04] <thoreauputic> tigmore: I don't know an answer
[12:04] <Keybuk> eclipse: basically that figure is "right" for picking x-window-system-core and all of its dependencies from hoary
[12:04] <Keybuk> but that's things like the libc and everything else :)
[12:04] <keknehv> how do I CUT files instead of COPY them?
[12:04] <epod> can you upgrade firefox that comes with warty to 1.0 yet?
[12:04] <Gwildor> eclipse, change to hoary, grab xorg, then switch back to warty, your source.list that is
[12:04] <ogra> keknehv: rightclick
[12:04] <sladen> Kirsch: what modules do you have loaded for it?  -acpi, or speedstep-centrino ?
[12:04] <jdub> Riddell: industrial is the gtk+ engine, human is the 'metatheme' in use and gtkrc mods to industrial
[12:04] <eclipse> ok, so it won't upgrade my gnome 2.8 to 2.9.1?
[12:05] <ogra> keknehv: or middleclick and move
[12:05] <Gwildor> eclipse, no idea :)
[12:05] <Keybuk> eclipse: probably will :)
[12:05] <eclipse> Gwildor, i tried that but it didn't work
[12:05] <tigmore> thank you all that answered i will find the links offered and see give me a few more days with warty and i should be able to return the favor on something else
[12:05] <sladen> Riddell: is there a hack to qt to make it use the GTK theme engine, so that KDE stuff will look the same?
[12:05] <Gwildor> eclipse, idk then
[12:05] <Ruffian|Q|> Why upgrade to hoary when its not even released :-p
[12:06] <socomm> tigmore: no gnome-meeting doesn't work with yahoo, or MSN
[12:06] <eclipse> i guess keybuk is right
[12:06] <Lowry> hi all
[12:06] <eclipse> well it's downloading tons of shit...i hope everything will be fine after the installation
[12:06] <tigmore> l8ter all thanks
[12:06] <Rene_S> Ruffian|Q|, Because it offers a great oppurtunity to learn linux and troubleshooting skills at the same time
[12:06] <Riddell> sladen: nice idea but you have it the wrong way around http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/gtk-qt
[12:07] <eclipse> i hope it won't ruin my linux box
[12:07] <ogra> Riddell: bah
[12:07] <Keybuk> eclipse: if you're worried about that ... you shouldn't touch *anything* from a development release
[12:07] <keknehv> I'm trying to move stuff on a usb disk to a different directory (it's fat16), but gnome thinks my directories are files...
[12:07] <Towny> is there someplace to view on the web what is available through the "universal" repository on ubuntu
[12:07] <keknehv> And once I right click on something, it dissapears!
[12:09] <sabdfl> Towny: we'll have a web based archive viewer up in a few weeks
[12:09] <sladen> Riddell: how big a project do you think the opposite would be (qt-gtk) and do you think it'd be a project worth doing for Ubuntu
[12:09] <thoreauputic> keknehv: on commandline you could use the mv command to move stuff
[12:09] <sabdfl> night all
[12:09] <Towny> sabdfl, is it just a snapshot of the debian unstable repository?
[12:09] <ogra> night sabdfl....
[12:09] <sabdfl> Towny: no, there are a few extra packages in there
[12:09] <sladen> Riddell: eg, applications like  k3b  for which I don't know a GTK version appear to fit in fairly well if people installed them
[12:10] <sabdfl> and we are figuring out how to allow more uploads to univers and multiverse
[12:10] <ogra> Towny: you can look in here: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[12:10] <eclipse> is there a hoary.iso file that i can download?
[12:10] <Matt|> eclipse, nope
[12:10] <Rene_S> I personally dont care if K3B is pretty, it needs to work and thats it
[12:10] <Keybuk> sladen: it still wouldn't be HIGgy though :(
[12:10] <sabdfl> eclipse: coming tomorrow, i think
[12:10] <ogra> Towny: for the contents
[12:10] <Matt|> oh really
[12:10] <Matt|> kewl
[12:10] <eclipse> lol...serious?
[12:10] <Riddell> sladen: well it takes that rare thing of someone who knows the internals to both qt and gtk
[12:10] <sabdfl> eclipse: try cdimage.ubuntulinux.org
[12:10] <sladen> Keybuk: well, this is the general downside of KDE stuff ;-)
[12:10] <sabdfl> you're looking for "array cd 1"
[12:10] <eclipse> ok, thnx sabfl
[12:10] <sabdfl> array is the new sounder
[12:11] <eclipse> ok, thnx sabdfl
[12:11] <Matt|> yep it's there
[12:11] <Matt|> good one
[12:11] <Riddell> sladen: but otherwise it can't be that hard, you just map the relevant gtk calls to qt calls, don't need to play around with eventloops or anything
[12:11] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/hoary/array-1/
[12:11] <sabdfl> erm... it's brand new. thank kamion, and backup :-)
[12:11] <Matt|> eclipse, it isn't risky to update from warty tho
[12:11] <sabdfl> Matt|: hoary could break in glorious ways between now and the freeze though
[12:11] <ogra> Kanion annonced it very nice ;)
[12:11] <Matt|> sabdfl, np
[12:12] <ogra> Kamion
[12:12] <Matt|> sabdfl, what ways do you have in mind?
[12:12] <eclipse> sabdfl, they do have a hoary.iso file
[12:12] <Riddell> Keybuk: well you can flip the relevent switch in kde libs to have the OK and Cancel buttons the wrong way around if you want to make it like gnome
[12:12] <sabdfl> hmm... x.org is in already, so that one's past
[12:12] <Keybuk> Riddell: that's not just what the HIG says though
[12:12] <sabdfl> we have a few major changes going in
[12:13] <Matt|> sabdfl, where is firefox 1?
[12:13] <sabdfl> check the wiki for details... HoaryHedgehog i think
[12:13] <Keybuk> KDE apps always stick out like a sore thumb on GNOME, and vice-versa
[12:13] <eclipse> i'm gonna download that... thx sabdfl
[12:13] <sabdfl> cheers
[12:13] <Keybuk> personally I prefer it if they *do* look jarringly different, then you don't expect them to behave the same way
[12:13] <bigt> whats the command to restart networking and samba i thought it was sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[12:13] <Towny> thanks
[12:13] <Matt|> sabdfl, you seem to be a developer so I wanted to ask you something. if I'm having random screenblanks with xorg, should i file a bug? prob is that I have no idea when it is provoked!! :p
[12:13] <jdub> Riddell: 'flipping' the "ok" and "cancel" buttons won't make it anything like gnome :)
[12:14] <eclipse> ubuntu 5.04 is hoary
[12:14] <Matt|> eclipse, yes
[12:14] <keknehv> How do I add disks to the disk section?
[12:14] <subterrific> there is a gtk theme that uses the colors and such from your current Qt theme, it makes gtk apps look pretty decent under KDE
[12:14] <sabdfl> s/is/will be/
[12:14] <HrdwrBoB> the problem is not making K3b look like gnome
[12:14] <subterrific> its a freedesktop.org thing
[12:14] <HrdwrBoB> the problem is making a gnome CD writing application which doesn't suck.
[12:14] <Matt|> *laughs*
[12:14] <ogra> the problem is to get rid of k2b
[12:14] <Riddell> subterrific: we know, http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/gtk-qt is already mentioned
[12:14] <sabdfl> Matt|: do the screenblanks go away when you press a key?
[12:15] <Matt|> sabdfl, *laughs*
[12:15] <mirak> what exactly is setting something suid ?
[12:15] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: currently testing coaster, which may go straight to hoary.
[12:15] <Matt|> sabdfl, no
[12:15] <sabdfl> so its a lockup?
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> jdub: excellent
[12:15] <ogra> HrdwrBoB: so go on, help: http://www.grawert.net/software/mrburns/
[12:15] <Matt|> sabdfl, they last 1-2 seconds and go back to screen fine
[12:15] <epod> mirak: chmod +s, but that doesn't work properly in 2.6.8
[12:15] <sabdfl> oh, so it freezes for a while, then comes back>
[12:15] <sabdfl> ?
[12:15] <Keybuk> mirak: suid = setuid ... running the binary makes you "become" the user that owns it
[12:15] <Matt|> sabdfl, daniels mentioned when he announced xorg that there would be some random screen blanks
[12:15] <ogra> jdub: is audio working in coaster ?
[12:15] <hypa7ia> the big burning things that are missing are encoded music > cd and video > cd/dvd, right?
[12:15] <Matt|> sabdfl, yeah the screen just seems to go away
[12:15] <sabdfl> then it's a known issue
[12:16] <sabdfl> i haven't seen it
[12:16] <epod> hypa7ia: yep
[12:16] <sabdfl> but im still running warty
[12:16] <Matt|> sabdfl, yeah so i should leave it? dunno if he would appreciate bug reports
[12:16] <Keybuk> sabdfl: coward ;)
[12:16] <jdub> ogra: don't think so
[12:16] <sabdfl> anyhow, time to crash, night all, night jdub
[12:16] <Matt|> nite
[12:16] <jdub> night sabdfl
[12:16] <sabdfl> Keybuk: hoary on the desktop :-)
[12:16] <Matt|> jdub, what do you think? i should file bugs under xorg for screen blanks or just leave it?
[12:16] <hypa7ia> i guess i'm lucky, haven't had to do either yet
[12:16] <jdub> sabdfl: good interview in mail&guardian, btw
[12:16] <ogra> jdub: do you know a timeframe ? or will the slow development just go on...
[12:17] <Matt|> jdub, mail/guardian??? link pls
[12:17] <sabdfl> jdub: missed that one, url?
[12:17] <mirak> Keybuk: so if an application is suid , you are considered as root using it or is there something else ?
[12:17] <jdub> http://www.mg.co.za/Content/l3.asp?cg=Insight-TenQuestions&ao=125244
[12:17] <subterrific> f i'm not mistaken audio is almost working in coaster, i think i've seen the developer in the gstreamer irc channel getting people to test
[12:17] <Keybuk> mirak: pretty much, yes ... assuming is setuid root
[12:17] <jdub> ogra: well, for now it works with nautilus-cd-burner. that's a start.
[12:17] <ogra> jdub: yay, finally....
[12:18] <ogra> jdub: thats totally enough....
[12:18] <mirak> Keybuk: so I want to use shfsmount as a user, so I setted it as suid whith dpkg-reconfigure, that's ok ?
[12:18] <Keybuk> common setuid binaries you will find on your system include "su", "sudo", etc.
[12:18] <jdub> not that it's working on my test system yet, but i think that is a more general problem with my cd burner atm :)
[12:18] <ogra> *g*
[12:18] <Keybuk> mirak: it's ok, provided that binary doesn't have any security holes, yes
[12:19] <Keybuk> generally one keeps their number to a minimum and plays it safe with defaulting them to not-setuid
[12:19] <ogra> jdub: i'm gonna test it.....
[12:19] <tseng> jdub: blame bryan anyway, its more fun
[12:19] <Keybuk> also not all binaries work anyway, it doesn't *actually* run them as root, it makes their "effective" user root -- the binary needs to do something else to properly "become" root
[12:19] <jdub> Keybuk: dude, what was the ATAPI incantation for cdrecord?
[12:20] <Keybuk> the general side-effect of that is if the binary runs anything else, what it runs *doesn't* run as root
[12:20] <jdub> tseng: don't want to make him cry
[12:20] <Keybuk> jdub: how the hell should I know?  I don't even own a CD *player* :p
[12:20] <epod> funky article.  That Mark person is lucky if he gets to go into space.
[12:20] <Matt|> *grins*
[12:20] <Matt|> lucky...
[12:20] <epod> don't own a cd player? ehhh?
[12:20] <Mithrandir> jdub: dev=ATAPI:0:1:0 or something, I think.
[12:20] <jdub> epod: he's been. :-)
[12:21] <jdub> Mithrandir: mm, tried dev=ATAPI, but get:
[12:21] <epod> jdub: really? Ok, now I'm envious.  Ah well.  I'm just a ground-dwelling person ;) No spaceflight for me
[12:21] <thoreauputic> epod: with a name like Shuttleworth, hey....
[12:21] <jdub> (well, lots of spew, but two informative bits)
[12:21] <jdub> Warning: Using ATA Packet interface.
[12:21] <epod> good point thoreauputic
[12:21] <jdub> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '0:1:0'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[12:21] <jdub> bong!
[12:21] <Mithrandir> jdub: try cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus?
[12:21] <jdub> Mithrandir: that's what i'm doing ;)
[12:22] <Matt|> epod, you need to make some serious money, then you can go to space
[12:22] <ogra> jdub: just dev=/dev/hdX
[12:22] <Matt|> epod, soon they will be doing commercial trips :)
[12:22] <jdub> ogra: aha!
[12:22] <ogra> ;)
[12:22] <jdub> ogra: aaaaaha!
[12:22] <jdub> that works :)
[12:22] <eclipse> by the way, did u guys notice that Flash on warty is not smooth...for example try to play this flash game and u know what i mean http://www.totebo.com/monkeylander/lander.html
[12:22] <epod> Matt|: yeah, it's the whole 'making serious money' bit that is the hang up, but I'm working on it. ;)
[12:23] <Matt|> eclipse, flash is not smooth in linux
[12:23] <Matt|> eclipse, it's worse if you go to hoary :[
[12:23] <eclipse> is hoary the same as warty when using flash?
[12:23] <Mithrandir> jdub: it's supposed to work that way, but I can't check, I don't have any IDE burners. :)
[12:23] <epod> flash is nice and smooth for me
[12:23] <eclipse> lol...damn
[12:23] <Matt|> epod, i don't believe you :p
[12:24] <eclipse> epod, try this link http://www.totebo.com/monkeylander/lander.html
[12:24] <epod> Matt|: no, really, I haven't noticed any issues, lol
[12:24] <epod> eclipse: I'm in XP at the moment, so it would be moot.
[12:24] <epod> Matt|: all I do is watch Foamy and Strongbad though.
[12:24] <eclipse> ok
[12:24] <epod> flash-wise
[12:24] <HrdwrBoB> oh look.. the bank is laughing at me
[12:24] <eclipse> epod, try that when ur on linux
[12:24] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, laughing in delight or in despair?
[12:25] <epod> or mockery?
[12:25] <HrdwrBoB> mocking mostly :)
[12:25] <Matt|> is the bank manager rubbing his hands or his head?
[12:25] <eclipse> i have win server 2k3 so i know it's smooth on there
[12:25] <Matt|> eclipse, yeah the flash plugin is rubbish in linux, even since v 7
[12:25] <Rene_S> Ok I have a technical problem, I embedded Ubuntu into my Microwave and now I cant reboot it any ideas ?
[12:25] <epod> eclipse: did you install flashplayer-mozilla ?
[12:25] <Matt|> *laughs*
[12:25] <eclipse> is there a patch for that?
[12:25] <jdub> cdrecord: Drive does not support TAO recording.
[12:25] <jdub> ^ wtf!
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> ouch
[12:26] <epod> Rene_S: Pop your XP cd in that badboy and put it on high for 30 seconds
[12:26] <eclipse> no i got it from macromedia
[12:26] <hypa7ia> i should try putting it on my old airport router
[12:26] <Matt|> eclipse, it's the same thing
[12:26] <hypa7ia> it's got a 486 in it :-p
[12:26] <eclipse> i know
[12:26] <Rene_S> Finally i got a laugh
[12:26] <eclipse> so there is no patch for that?
[12:26] <epod> for some odd reason mplayer *only* works with vo=gl2 on my ATI card.
[12:26] <epod> stupid ati.
[12:26] <Matt|> eclipse, no afaik nothing
[12:26] <ogra> jdub: thats weird
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> eclipse: flash has ALWAYS been slow on linux
[12:27] <eclipse> is that right?
[12:27] <HrdwrBoB> jdub: try forcing the device
[12:27] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, on my machine it is ridiculously fast, but real jerky
[12:27] <Matt|> (flash)
[12:27] <epod> Matt|: what is your system, processor wise?
[12:27] <eclipse> yes that's what i mean...jerky
[12:28] <eclipse> the jerkiness is driving me crazy
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> cdrecord driver=help
[12:28] <Matt|> epod, actually
[12:28] <Matt|> ( Computer Stats ) [ CPU Model: Mobile Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.00GHz Speed: 1993.059 MHz Cache: 256 KB ]  | RAM Usage: 71/191M [||||||||||]  | [ HD Model: TOSHIBA MK2023GAS Size: 17G with 10G Free ]  | Number of process: 66
[12:28] <cardador> eclipse: by jerky you mean turning black as you scroll the page?
[12:28] <Matt|> cardador, *grins*
[12:28] <jdub> Device seems to be: Generic CD-ROM.
[12:28] <jdub> cdrecord: Warning: controller returns wrong size for CD capabilities page.
[12:28] <jdub> cdrecord: Sorry, no CD/DVD-Recorder or unsupported CD/DVD-Recorder found on this target.
[12:28] <Matt|> cardador, he is on warty
[12:28] <jdub> ^ bong!
[12:28] <cardador> Matt|: ok
[12:29] <eclipse> well...r u using linux right now, cardador?
[12:29] <Matt|> cardador, that bug STILL has not been assigned grrrrrrrr
[12:29] <HrdwrBoB> jdub: yeah try using device=mmc_cdr
[12:29] <cardador> eclipse: always
[12:29] <epod> Matt|: hm, okay :)
[12:29] <HrdwrBoB> I had that with a DVD burner I bought
[12:29] <jdub> HrdwrBoB: yeah? ick.
[12:29] <eclipse> ok go to this link and u tell me http://www.totebo.com/monkeylander/lander.html
[12:29] <HrdwrBoB> though it would work for CDs
[12:29] <jdub> cdrecord: Bad Option: device=mmc_cdr.
[12:29] <jdub> hrm
[12:29] <HrdwrBoB> er
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> driver
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> not device
[12:30] <jdub> oh
[12:30] <jdub> erm
[12:30] <jdub> cdrecord: WARNING: Trying to use other driver on known device.
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> it's still 10:30am, need more coffee
[12:30] <jdub> cdrecord: Cannot attach driver for CD/DVD-Recorder.
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> hm
[12:30] <jdub> with lots of capabilities errors
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> sounds broken
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> what is the drive?
[12:30] <cardador> eclipse: nice monkey game... works fine for me
[12:30] <jdub> Identifikation : 'COB-2K5216      '
[12:30] <jdub> Revision       : 'NKG3'
[12:30] <Matt|> cardador, flash videos don't play jerky on your setup?
[12:31] <Matt|> cardador, try http://www.yetisports.org --> online games --> game of your choice
[12:31] <cardador> Matt|: not the videos, only static figures
[12:31] <cardador> Matt|: let me try
[12:31] <Matt|> cardador, also if you have a windows box, that website has the BEST online games :)
[12:31] <eclipse> yeah but pay close attention that the game will stop for like 1 sec and continue
[12:31] <eclipse> it's a loop
[12:32] <Rene_S> Trying to Use Linux without at least 13 cups of Coffee voids the Warranty
[12:32] <Keybuk> Rene_S: THERE IS NO WARRANTY
[12:32] <Keybuk> :p
[12:32] <HrdwrBoB> Keybuk: either express or implied
[12:33] <cardador> Matt|: tried the first game, baseball with pinguin, and works ok
[12:33] <ogra> jdub: so how about -dao ?
[12:33] <Matt|> cardador, not jerky?
[12:33] <Rene_S> There was on mine
[12:33] <Matt|> you must have an awesome rig
[12:33] <cardador> Matt|: no
[12:33] <Rene_S> You all got robbed
[12:33] <eclipse> damn...linux is truely a multitask OS...cause apt-get is installing tons of files and i'm running other apps and there's no slow down
[12:33] <ogra> jdub: the spec says it knows tao, but it seems the driver doesnt with this drive
[12:33] <hypa7ia> eclipse: rocktacular, eh?
[12:33] <socomm> Most OS are multi taking OS :^/
[12:34] <eclipse> i know with windows server 2003 i need to stop other apps when a big install like this
[12:34] <cardador> Matt|: p4 2.4, 1024 ram, gforcerTi4200
[12:35] <Matt|> /kick cardador grrrrrrr
[12:35] <eclipse> so cardador, did u notice that?
[12:35] <Matt|> guys, how to use update-rc.d to change scripts at startup?
[12:35] <cardador> eclipse: no, i dont have slowdowns
[12:35] <epod> I am stuck with ati.. mobile radeon 9600 128mb
[12:35] <epod> cardador: me either
[12:36] <stuNNed> i have two copies of libsmb.so, one from libgnomevfs2-common other from gnome-vfs-extras how do i know which one to use?
[12:36] <cardador> Matt|: so did you install xcompmgr?
[12:36] <Matt|> cardador, nope
[12:36] <Matt|> guys, how to use update-rc.d to change scripts at startup?
[12:36] <eclipse> not slow down but the game would stop for like 1 sec and continue and then stop for 1 sec...it's a loop
[12:37] <Matt|> eclipse, its just jerky
[12:37] <Matt|> eclipse, his system is too l33t to notice i guess
[12:37] <eclipse> can't be
[12:37] <oddabe19> firefox 1.0 final in Hoary yet?
[12:37] <eclipse> r u running haory, cardador?
[12:37] <Matt|> oddabe19, nope
[12:37] <eclipse> hoary
[12:37] <oddabe19> damn... any idea when
[12:37] <marco> is there someone who can help me, please?
[12:37] <epod> I just want to update firefox in warty to 1.0, heh
[12:38] <oddabe19> cause it's in debian repos
[12:38] <eclipse> epod, just go to firefox.com and download the file
[12:38] <Matt|> oddabe19, guess it should be soon then
[12:38] <eclipse> it's easy
[12:38] <Matt|> marco, shoot
[12:38] <cardador> eclipse: yes horay,  dist-upgrade every day
[12:38] <epod> eclipse: I have this aversion to anything I can't apt-get install, because getting it back out is often a pain
[12:38] <eclipse> u don't have to depend on apt-get to install all ur software
[12:39] <Rene_S> I got a question :  Does anyone know some nice settings for xcompmgr, I cant make heads or tails out of the --help
[12:39] <cardador> Rene_S:  xcompmgr -cCfF -r7 -o.65 -l-10 -t-8 -D7 &
[12:39] <eclipse> to uninstall firefox, all u have to do is delete all firefox dirs and files
[12:40] <cardador> Rene_S: i dont use xcompmgr too much cause it freezes X often
[12:40] <ogra> Rene_S: its very slow
[12:40] <eclipse> cause it's not like windows where they store it in the registry
[12:40] <cardador> ogra: the problem for me is not the speed but the stability
[12:41] <cardador> ogra: make sure you turn on render accell and all that stuff
[12:41] <ogra> cardador: for me its both....on my matrox g400 its not usable in the current state :(
[12:41] <xuzo> cardador: how to turn on render accell?
[12:41] <seek187> Ahh those xcompmgr setting slow my machine wayyy down
[12:41] <Rene_S> render accell ?  crap i need to add that
[12:42] <cardador> xuzo: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, on section "devices" add Option "RenderAccel" "True"
[12:42] <ogra> cardador: do gksudo things work for you with xcompmanager ?
[12:42] <ogra> cardador: i.e. synaptic....
[12:42] <cardador> ogra: when i run synaptic, X freezes
[12:43] <ogra> cardador: yes :(
[12:43] <cardador> ogra: maybe that is the problem
[12:43] <xuzo> cardador: any other tweaks for better performance of xcompmng?
[12:43] <ogra> cardador: synaptic or X ?
[12:43] <eclipse> ok i got x.org installed....yay
[12:43] <Simira> Mithrandir darling! ;)
[12:43] <Matt|> who knows how to use update-rc.d?
[12:43] <cardador> xuzo: make sure you add a section "Extensios" with Option "Composite" and Option "RENDER" "Enable"
[12:43] <Matt|> or is there an easier tool in ubuntu?
[12:44] <cardador> xuzo: "Extensions"
[12:44] <xuzo> cardador: I got it :)
[12:44] <ogra> Matt|: rm and ln :)
[12:44] <cardador> ogra: X
[12:44] <xuzo> xcompmng needs some type of accel (from fglrx or nvidia)?
[12:44] <Matt|> ogra, is there no better tool?
[12:44] <cardador> ogra: my X just locks up and i have to restart it or kill it
[12:44] <cardador> xuzo: i guess
[12:45] <ogra> Matt|: i think its the best, so i never use update-rc.d
[12:45] <Matt|> ogra, in hoary last week there was a lovely GUI "services-admin" or something, but it's gone again now
[12:45] <xuzo> no clues about when fglrx will work again with xorg ?
[12:45] <bigt> question: i'm trying to install a driver or my isa nic and it says use doscp I can't find doscp anywhere any ideas on this please and thanks
[12:45] <ogra> Matt|: it will come back i think.....
[12:45] <eclipse> by the way, does aptitude work the same as apt-get?
[12:45] <Matt|> ogra, was there something on the list about it?
[12:45] <Matt|> ogra, i hope it comes back
[12:46] <Matt|> ogra, i'm trying to help a warty user to add a script to start his adsl modem at boot. If I don't succeed, will you help im out with me?
[12:46] <ogra> Matt|: nope, but it belongs to the system tools, its just buggy .... i think they solve it till hoary gets stable
[12:46] <Matt|> k
[12:46] <cardador> Matt|: is it usb?
[12:47] <spacey`ki> Matt|, why not put a script in /etc/init.d and link to it from /etc/rcx.d/
[12:47] <Matt|> cardador, no idea
[12:47] <Matt|> spacey`ki, yeah that is what we're trying
[12:47] <spacey`ki> Matt|, just do it then:)
[12:47] <Matt|> spacey`ki, whether it will work or not is another matter
[12:47] <spacey`ki> you can test the script right
[12:47] <spacey`ki> if it works
[12:48] <spacey`ki> and you add symlinks it will work at boot
[12:48] <Matt|> spacey`ki, not necessarily
[12:48] <Matt|> spacey`ki, it might not work when called from another directory
[12:48] <redemption> if I have a bash variable that has a new line at the end, how could I remove that?
[12:48] <redemption> in a script?
[12:48] <spacey`ki> Matt|, just write it the same way as the other startup scripts
[12:48] <spacey`ki> they work
[12:49] <Matt|> spacey`ki, i'm not sure if he has written it by hand or not
[12:49] <spacey`ki> well you can always edit:)
[12:49] <Matt|> spacey`ki, for example I had a complicated script which i did not write, and the links in it were all relative (../../): it didn't work when copied to /etc/init.d, nor when linked from /etc/rc#.d
[12:49] <spacey`ki> and there is only one way to find out for sure ;)
[12:49] <Matt|> spacey`ki, yeah i believe he is trying
[12:50] <spacey`ki> Matt|, thats not a good script. but you can easily spot such things if you edit the file
[12:51] <seek187> does fglrx work with xorg in hoary?
[12:51] <Matt|> spacey`ki, heh. The script was written by the team that do the acx100 package on sourceforge. But i take your point. it was long and I was too lazy to edit
[12:51] <xuzo> re
[12:51] <spacey`ki> i dont blame you ;p
[12:52] <Matt|> spacey`ki, it is annoying because it works much better than the /etc/init.d/networking script
[12:52] <Matt|> spacey`ki, maybe i will take the time to edit it
[12:53] <ogra> Matt|: add persist to /etc/ppp/options and make sure /etc/init.d/ppp start is run on startup....that should be enough
[12:53] <tim1> good night everybody
[12:53] <spacey`ki> ah a wifi card:p
[12:53] <Matt|> ogra, for what?
[12:53] <ogra> Matt|: for your friend with the dsl modem
[12:54] <Matt|> ogra, i assume the ppp script didn't work for him
[12:54] <Matt|> not sure
[12:54] <Matt|> he sounds quite competent
[12:54] <ogra> Matt|: configure with pppoeconf
[12:54] <spacey`ki> what kind of dsl modem is t
[12:54] <Matt|> ogra, spacey`ki i do not know
[12:54] <Matt|> he just asked me to help him add a script
[12:55] <Matt|> it might not even be pppoe
[12:55] <spacey`ki> never heard of dsl modem using pppeo
[12:55] <spacey`ki> kind of crappy to use
[12:55] <ogra> Matt|: if its dsl its some kind of ppp....
[12:55] <Matt|> spacey`ki, most of em do
[12:55] <socomm> Most DSL providers use PPPoE.
[12:55] <epod> ogra: no, the DSL here is static IP
[12:55] <Matt|> socomm, yup
[12:56] <spacey`ki> dsl modems i show up as a lan connection for the pc
[12:56] <ogra> oh....i'm used to european standars :\
[12:56] <ogra> +d
[12:56] <Matt|> ogra, the best ones
[12:56] <ogra> Matt|: sometimes :)
[12:57] <Matt|> argh, a euro-sceptic!! /me lynches ogra
[12:57] <spacey`ki> and the dsl providers work mostly with PPPoA or RFC1483  here
[12:57] <Matt|> mine is PPPoA but most in the uk are E
[12:57] <ogra> still a ppp varinat....
[12:57] <ogra> ant
[12:57] <Matt|> pppoa really sucks
[12:57] <Matt|> took me 2 weeks to get my modem working with linux
[12:58] <Matt|> nearly as long as it took for a router to arrive
[12:58] <spacey`ki> Matt|, entirely depends on the modem i think?
[12:58] <Matt|> spacey`ki, yes mostly
[12:58] <Matt|> spacey`ki, but there is no pppoaconfig
[12:58] <spacey`ki> hmz
[12:58] <Matt|> spacey`ki, pppoa works out of the box with ubuntu?
[12:58] <spacey`ki> your talking about connection pc <> modem or modem<>dslprovider
[12:58] <Matt|> i haven't tried it
[12:59] <ogra> Matt|: try pppoeconf i think it manages all of them....
[12:59] <Matt|> spacey`ki, well both have to work for a connection
[12:59] <Matt|> ogra, i've put my modem in the bottom of a draw
[12:59] <spacey`ki> Matt|, yes but they are 2 different things
[12:59] <Matt|> spacey`ki, well in my case, both were difficult :0
[12:59] <Rene_S> Is there a way to make the channel list in xchat sort alphabetically ?
[12:59] <ogra> Matt|: secret modem ?
[12:59] <Matt|> Rene_S, should be default
[01:00] <Rene_S> It looks nasty
[01:00] <spacey`ki> most modems i know connect to provider with PPPoA or RFC1483 and connect to the pc with ethernet
[01:00] <Matt|> spacey`ki, yeah so in that case, the second option would be the difficult part
[01:00] <spacey`ki> why difficult/
[01:00] <spacey`ki> ethernet is simple
[01:00] <Matt|> spacey`ki, sorry misunderstood me
[01:01] <cardador> Matt|: if it connects by usb, you have to modprobe usbnet
 your talking about connection pc <> modem or modem<>dslprovider <-- THAT second part
[01:01] <Matt|> :0
[01:01] <spacey`ki> ah
[01:01] <Matt|> sorry!
[01:01] <spacey`ki> Matt|, ok;)
[01:01] <ogra> spacey: eth to modem is cool, my company does this too with its cable modems :)
[01:01] <Matt|> yeah that's much better
[01:01] <Matt|> usb modems are the worst thing ever
[01:01] <spacey`ki> np. but you don't have to configure that in linux i think. you configure that in the modem
[01:02] <spacey`ki> ogra, i work at helpdesk of a dutch dsl provider
[01:02] <ogra> spacey: there is a usb port too on the modem....the only issues we got are usb based.....
[01:02] <Matt|> spacey`ki, oh i din know that
[01:02] <spacey`ki> Matt|, at least that how it works in .nl or maybe we just misunderstand each other:)
[01:02] <ogra> sapce: i ran a installer helpdesk at a german cable provider *g*
[01:02] <Rene_S> hmm i think i need to find me a nicer irc client
[01:02] <Matt|> spacey`ki, with my usb modem I had to setup the modem-->isp in linux
[01:03] <Matt|> Rene_S, xchat is great
[01:03] <ogra> spacey: ish ....you probably know it.....
[01:03] <spacey`ki> Matt|, but that are just configure options for the modem right. not that you have to use PPP stuff from linux
[01:03] <Rene_S> Matt|, I thought so too just cant sort anything
[01:03] <spacey`ki> ogra, ish?
[01:03] <Matt|> spacey`ki, no you have to use PPP stuff from linux on mine
[01:03] <Matt|> Rene_S, settings --> preferences --> user list --> sort alphabeticaly
[01:03] <ogra> sapcey`: yep
[01:04] <spacey`ki> ogra, whats that?
[01:04] <Matt|> *laughs*
[01:04] <Matt|> ish means "sort of"
[01:04] <Matt|> i'm hungry-ish
[01:04] <gen> where does xmms keep the skins
[01:04] <ogra> spacey`ki: the cable company you look at if you turn east ;)
[01:04] <Matt|> gen, right click --> skin browser
[01:05] <Matt|> oh sorry
[01:05] <gen> matt:| im asking where to put a skin you get
[01:05] <redemption> anyone know how to remove a newline character from a bash variable?
[01:05] <spacey`ki> ogra, i have not a clue
[01:05] <Matt|> gen, .xmms/Skins
[01:05] <ogra> spacey`ki: i'm in germany 150km from maastricht...
[01:05] <Matt|> gen, ~/.xmms/Skins
[01:05] <gen> thanks
[01:05] <pitti> redemption: you can filter it through tr or sed
[01:05] <spacey`ki> ogra, whats there?
[01:05] <spacey`ki> oh you
[01:05] <spacey`ki> hehe
[01:05] <spacey`ki> but
[01:05] <ogra> spacey`ki: lol
[01:05] <spacey`ki> whats with the cable company :p
[01:06] <spacey`ki> where is that frankfurt?
[01:06] <Matt|> ogra, you can't call a cable company ish
[01:06] <ogra> spacey`ki: i work for them
[01:06] <erik> hey, doom3 seems unable to run in this amd64 ubuntu install with the nvidia-glx drivers installed .. anyone know how to fix that?
[01:06] <pitti> redemption: XNEW="`echo $X | tr -d \"\n\"`"
[01:06] <redemption> pitti: thanks.
[01:06] <ogra> Matt|: tell this to our PR group ;)
[01:06] <pitti> redemption: (untested)
[01:06] <erik> it claims my video card / driver combination isn't up to snuff
[01:06] <spacey`ki> i helpdesk for zonnet/versatel
[01:06] <Matt|> ogra, what does it mean in german?
[01:06] <ogra> spacey`ki: nope....kerpen....
[01:06] <spacey`ki> ogra, never heard of it:p
[01:07] <ogra> Matt|: nothing....not even a slang word
[01:07] <Matt|> abbreviation?
[01:07] <spacey`ki> ogra, frankfurt is not even close?:p
[01:07] <ogra> Matt|: no
[01:07] <ogra> spacey`ki: nope
[01:07] <Matt|> well tell em what it means in english :p
[01:07] <ogra> spacey`ki: masstricht is nearer.... or venlo
[01:07] <spacey`ki> hehe damn my geographical skills
[01:07] <Matt|> *grins*
[01:07] <Matt|> mine are bad too
[01:07] <spacey`ki> kolhn then
[01:08] <Matt|> i've heard of maastricht tho
[01:08] <Matt|> :0
[01:08] <Matt|> damn shift button
[01:08] <Matt|> ;)
[01:08] <ogra> Matt|: they had a american PR consulter.....
[01:08] <Matt|> ogra, ouch
[01:08] <spacey`ki> i live in groningen :P
[01:08] <ogra> Matt|: lol
[01:08] <spacey`ki> up north in .nl
[01:08] <redemption> Pitti: THANK YOU ever so much!  I'd been banging my head on a script I wrote for kde for hours befare I even realized thet enviroment variables set by gnome were newline delimited.
[01:09] <ogra> spacey`ki: i know groningen....never been there though
[01:09] <spacey`ki> ogra, its a nice place. i like it here
[01:09] <stuNNed> mang, wish firefox 1.0 would be released for warty :D
[01:09] <Matt|> stuNNed, not a chance
[01:09] <Matt|> :(
[01:09] <sladen> spacey`ki: was there about 12hours a fortnight ago;  went  london->Brussels->Leuvin->Leige->Masstricth->Utrecht->Groningen->Rotterdam->Antwerp->Gent->Brussels->London
[01:09] <stuNNed> Matt|, you're on warty as well?
[01:09] <ogra> stuNNed: nope.... wont....
[01:09] <Lowry> Reading http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3952
[01:09] <Matt|> sladen, nice trip
[01:09] <Matt|> stuNNed, no
[01:09] <spacey`ki> sladen, your on some euro trip or something
[01:09] <Lowry> Is ppc firewire hd supported?
[01:10] <stuNNed> ogra, dang, oh well
[01:10] <Matt|> stuNNed, its easy to install
[01:10] <Matt|> go to the website and download, read instructions, :)
[01:10] <sladen> Matt|: Eurostar London->Brussels, it only costs 15 EUR extra to get an undated, undestinated ticket to 'ANY DUTCH STATION' and back
[01:10] <stuNNed> Matt|, yes...so just remove firefox installed with warty and install from mozilla.org?
[01:10] <Matt|> sladen, i need to go to brussels
[01:10] <Matt|> stuNNed, yeah
[01:11] <Matt|> sladen, whereabouts in london do ya live?
[01:11] <sladen> Matt|: Seven Sister, between Finsbury Park and Tottenham
[01:11] <spacey`ki> maybe your neigbours
[01:11] <Matt|> *grins*
[01:11] <Matt|> not too bad
[01:11] <Matt|> i'm in docklands
[01:12] <TrasMontano> hello everybody
[01:12] <TrasMontano> i've a problem booting my nex kernel
[01:12] <TrasMontano> my new kernel
[01:13] <TrasMontano> do i have to make a initrd ??
[01:13] <Matt|> TrasMontano, yes
[01:13] <ogra> TrasMontano: why did you recompile ?
[01:13] <Matt|> *laughs*
[01:13] <TrasMontano> ok because on the wki howto they don't tell
[01:13] <TrasMontano> ogra: for supporting High memory
[01:13] <seek187> does apt-get keep every upgrade package?? I mean does it delete the older ones? my disk space is getting low
[01:13] <TrasMontano> 1 Go
[01:14] <Matt|> seek187, apt-get clean
[01:14] <seek187> ah ok
[01:14] <seek187> thx
[01:14] <epod> eh? I use linux-686-smp and it works with my 1gb tam
[01:14] <epod> *ram
[01:14] <ogra> TrasMontano: isnt in by default ?
[01:14] <TrasMontano> ogra: no :-(
[01:14] <TrasMontano> 906 Mo regonized
[01:14] <Matt|> TrasMontano, anyway, make your initrd
[01:14] <seek187> ah that's better
[01:15] <ogra> TrasMontano: x86 ?
[01:15] <TrasMontano> Matt|: ok, how can i do this? i used the howto in wiki
[01:15] <TrasMontano> ogra: yes
[01:15] <Matt|> TrasMontano, it doesn't tell you to make an initrd?
[01:15] <Matt|> TrasMontano, we need to add that
[01:15] <TrasMontano> i made the dpkg -i ***.deb
[01:15] <TrasMontano> Matt|: a second i give u the link
[01:16] <Matt|> "mkinitrd -o /boot/name_of_your_initrd 2.6.8_or_whatever"
[01:16] <TrasMontano> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto
[01:16] <Matt|> don't forget to add it to your grub configu
[01:16] <ogra> TrasMontano: you could use the smp kernel....should also work on uni processors
[01:16] <stuNNed> Matt|, ogra: fsck it, i'm installing firefox 1.0 :D
[01:17] <epod> TrasMontano: smp kernel has support for 1gb ram
[01:17] <TrasMontano> Matt|: i've to make mkinitrd in my /usr/src/linux?
[01:17] <Matt|> TrasMontano, oh, it says that the deb should install your initrd for ya. if it isn't there, then make it
[01:17] <Matt|> TrasMontano, nope
[01:17] <Matt|> in /boot
[01:17] <redemption> pitti: out of curiousity, XNEW="`echo $X | tr -d \"\n\"`", could I replace the ` with '? and if not, how is ` special and to what program is it special?
[01:17] <Matt|> just do that command
[01:18] <TrasMontano> ogra: epod: thx but problem is the same with initrd
[01:18] <ogra> TrasMontano: is it really not there ? have you looked after dpkg -i ?
[01:18] <TrasMontano> ogra: no
[01:18] <epod> TrasMontano: eh? apt-get install linux-686-smp
[01:18] <Matt|> interesting
[01:18] <bigt> question i have a driver for my nic what command do i use to install it? is it netconfig ? if so i can't get it to work anyone willing to help that would be great thanks
[01:18] <TrasMontano> ogra: only the old one
[01:18] <epod> TrasMontano: no need to muck around with anything
[01:18] <Matt|> ogra, i came across another person with this problem last week
[01:19] <Matt|> ogra, howto is obviously wrong
[01:19] <ogra> TrasMontano: it should be in the .deb, it should read /etc/kernel-img.conf
[01:19] <Lowry> later
[01:19] <ogra> TrasMontano: while building the deb
[01:19] <nonmon> i installed wine using apt-get now i cant find it
[01:19] <Matt|> ogra, see last line of howto
[01:20] <Matt|> god they should seriously tell people to create their kernels by hand
[01:20] <Matt|> instead of with debs
[01:20] <gen> stupid question, how do i take an ss
[01:20] <TrasMontano> Matt|: u made it by hand? think it's better?
[01:20] <TrasMontano> it look so simple with the deb
[01:21] <Matt|> TrasMontano, for you the best way is to do as epod says and get the package
[01:21] <Kal_Zakath> TrasMontano : of course it's better
[01:21] <Matt|> but if you HAVE to make one, it's better to do it by hand
[01:21] <nonmon> where does apt-get install stuff im new to ubuntu
[01:21] <Matt|> nonmon, what do you mean?
[01:21] <Kal_Zakath> I always compile my own kernels
[01:21] <gen> how do i take a screenshot
[01:21] <thoreauputic> nonmon: it installs where it's supposed to go :)
[01:21] <bigt> nonmad what did you install?
[01:21] <bigt> example xine
[01:21] <TrasMontano> Matt|: if a made one now it don't work with my .deb installed?
[01:22] <bigt> you would do find / |grep xine
[01:22] <Matt|> TrasMontano, what is wrong with the smb package?
[01:22] <bigt> thats how i do it i'ms ure there is a better way
[01:22] <Kal_Zakath> gen : computer - take a screenshot
[01:22] <ogra> Matt|: why.... its not upgradeable in a clean way to use non .deb kernels
[01:22] <nonmon> in suse, which i used to use, it put it in the applications.
[01:22] <gen> kal_zakath: not an option in hoary
[01:22] <thoreauputic> bigt: that's the slowest possible way
[01:22] <Kal_Zakath> or qomething
[01:22] <nonmon> with ubuntu you have to find what to put there and i cant find wine
[01:22] <bigt> whats the fastest way which <application>
[01:22] <bigt> ?
[01:22] <Matt|> ogra, if you're upgrading kernels there are new options so you need to recompile anyhow
[01:22] <bigt> like which xine?
[01:23] <ogra> Matt|: you should always use make-kpkg ....
[01:23] <Kal_Zakath> why do people use hoary if they aren't developpers ??????
[01:23] <thoreauputic> nonmon: type `which wine` or `whereis wine`
[01:23] <Matt|> Kal_Zakath, for testing it
[01:23] <bigt> ok so it is which :)
[01:23] <TrasMontano> ogra: the .deb way so?
[01:23] <Matt|> hey the screenshot command is gone from the hoary computer menu
[01:23] <Kal_Zakath> Matt|  yeah, at least power users
[01:23] <TrasMontano> and after mkinitrd
[01:23] <thoreauputic> nonmon: type <command> is even better
[01:23] <Rene_S> Because its a nice way to learn about troubleshooting linux
[01:23] <Matt|> and help test for the release
[01:23] <Kal_Zakath> for power users I can understand
[01:24] <Matt|> Kal_Zakath, it's nice to get involved and mebbe submit bugs
[01:24] <Kal_Zakath> but usual user should stay at wraty
[01:24] <Rene_S> I am far from a power user. as a matter of fact I only started in Linux in June
[01:24] <thoreauputic> nonmon: bigt,  e.g. type mozilla
[01:24] <thoreauputic> mozilla is /usr/bin/mozilla
[01:24] <Matt|> TrasMontano, make your initrd, add the correct line to /boot/grub/menu.lst and reboot
[01:24] <TrasMontano> Matt|: oki i try
[01:24] <thoreauputic> from the `type` command
[01:24] <ogra> TrasMontano: make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 --initrd kernel_imag
[01:25] <Kal_Zakath> Rene_S : well I can consider myself as a power user, but I use warty
[01:25] <ogra> TrasMontano: make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 --initrd kernel_image
[01:25] <Matt|> TrasMontano, be careful about getting the correct address in your grub config
[01:25] <Matt|> ogra, *winces*
[01:25] <epod> Okay, so can anyone provide any insight as to why only 1 app can access my soundcard at a time under Linux, but under windows if I want to run 4 audio players with 4 different mp3s at once I can?
[01:25] <bigt> thor: you good with installing drivers?
[01:25] <nonmon> sorry i found it with whereis
[01:25] <epod> and, how I fix that issue?
[01:25] <nonmon> thanx
[01:25] <Rene_S> Kal_Zakath, dont get me wrong there is nothing wrong with Warty that I couldn't use it, I am just a glutton for punishment
[01:25] <Matt|> :)
[01:26] <Kal_Zakath> Rene_S :D
[01:26] <ogra> ;)
[01:26] <xuzo> mmmm
[01:26] <xuzo> Matt|: not only icon
[01:26] <epod> I freebsd I'd create extra /dev/dsp devices...
[01:26] <epod> (in
[01:26] <bigt> and thanks thore for the tip
[01:26] <epod> there must be something like that in linux
[01:26] <Matt|> xuzo, hmm?
[01:26] <TrasMontano> ogra: ok good way but if a make the mkinitd after it'll don't work?
[01:26] <Matt|> TrasMontano, it's one or the other
[01:26] <xuzo> Matt|:  screenshot command on computer menu
[01:27] <Matt|> xuzo, it is gone from hoary
[01:27] <xuzo> icon and command gone away together
[01:27] <Rene_S> Kal_Zakath, I spent years doing Window's Beta Tests, I swear I never ran a finished version in my life
[01:27] <xuzo> yes, why?
[01:27] <ogra> TrasMontano: the initrd will be in the deb, so apt can care for it....
[01:27] <Matt|> xuzo, they tend to go together
[01:27] <xuzo> its a bug?
[01:27] <Kal_Zakath> TrasMontano : I only use initrd for bootsplash, it's isn't really needed
[01:27] <Matt|> xuzo, although i don't have icons on my menu
[01:27] <Matt|> xuzo, no they've removed it
[01:28] <Matt|> what screensaver prog is ubuntu using?
[01:28] <TrasMontano> Kal_Zakath: without initrd i've VFS unable to mount
[01:28] <Kal_Zakath> Matt| : xscreensaver, as usual
[01:28] <Matt|> *screenshot
[01:28] <ogra> Matt|: xscreensaver
[01:28] <Matt|> sorry
[01:28] <Matt|> ouch i suck
[01:28] <Matt|> *screenshot
[01:28] <TrasMontano> ok i made the initrd
[01:28] <ogra> Matt|: gnome-screenshot
[01:28] <TrasMontano> i try to reboot.....
[01:28] <Kal_Zakath> TrasMontano : diddn't had any pb..
[01:28] <Matt|> ogra, haven't got it
[01:28] <Matt|> ogra, it's been force removed ?!?
[01:29] <Kal_Zakath> TrasMontano : did you configured you kernel by yourself ?
[01:29] <ogra> Matt|: gnome-panel-screenshot sorry
[01:29] <Matt|> ogra, np i haven't got that either
[01:30] <ogra> Matt|: hoary, hehe
[01:30] <Matt|> ogra, weird huh?
[01:30] <jdub> Matt|: it doesn't exist on hoary atm.
[01:30] <Matt|> E: Couldn't find package gnome-panel-screenshot
[01:30] <jdub> it was moved into gnome-utils, which hasn't had a release
[01:30] <Matt|> jdub, np
[01:30] <jdub> it was in gnome-panel
[01:30] <Matt|> apt-get install scrot ;)
[01:30] <TrasMontano> Kal_Zakath: yes i configure by myself
[01:31] <Matt|> thanks jdub
[01:31] <ogra> jdub: did you mean n-c-b in hoary could create audio ??
[01:31] <TrasMontano> Kal_Zakath: maybe i forgot something
[01:31] <xuzo> jdub: that move is in gnome releases or in ubuntu packaging?
[01:31] <jdub> ogra: no
[01:31] <Kal_Zakath> TrasMontano : then something's wrong with your config
[01:31] <ogra> jdub: oh....
[01:31] <Matt|> jdub, can you advise me of whether to submit bugs under xorg for screen blanking? I know that it is a known issue but I was wondering that maybe they would appreciate bugs filed by hardware
[01:31] <jdub> the screenshot thing is in gnome
[01:31] <Kal_Zakath> TrasMontano : think so
[01:31] <jdub> Matt|: it's a bug, may as well file
[01:32] <jdub> don't think there are xorg components yet though
[01:32] <ogra> jdub: got two fine data Cds now ... one with mp3, one with ogg *g*
[01:32] <Matt|> jdub, ok will do, only i won't be able to give much info :)
[01:32] <TrasMontano> Kal_Zakath: i can show u but i think it was made serously, after a make oldconfig
[01:32] <Kal_Zakath> huh
[01:32] <Matt|> TrasMontano, we assure you that if you install the package linux-686-smb, your troubles will go away, and you won't need to build the kernel
[01:32] <TrasMontano> Kal_Zakath: only removing some drivers (video, network) and adding hi memory support
[01:33] <Kal_Zakath> make oldconfig is generally a good idea, but if you know what you're doing you can configure it buy yourself
[01:33] <ogra> TrasMontano: take the smp image
[01:33] <Kal_Zakath> TrasMontano : how much RAM do you have ?
[01:33] <TrasMontano> linux-686-smb i look to it
[01:33] <TrasMontano> ogra: it'll be the other way thx
[01:33] <Matt|> sorry smp
[01:33] <TrasMontano> Kal_Zakath: 1 Go
[01:33] <ryan> heh
[01:34] <ryan> the installation of ubuntu onto an ibm thinkpad 600 was less than painless
[01:34] <ryan> thanks developers!
[01:34] <Kal_Zakath> ryan : cool to hear it, 'll buy a tp 600 soon
[01:34] <TrasMontano> I REBOOT see u soon !
[01:34] <borgmeister> how does one get into ubuntu without a password or bootble media? its just a friend broke into my laptop at work today, and i want to know how he did it
[01:34] <TrasMontano> i try
[01:35] <ryan> the only issue i saw was 1. by default, x sets up to start with 24bpp
[01:35] <ryan> this made the lcd screen only use 800x600
[01:35] <Kal_Zakath> k
[01:35] <ryan> which was distorted, esp fonts
[01:35] <ryan> and slow as hell
[01:35] <ryan> so set it back to 16bpp
[01:35] <ogra> borgmeister: press escape on boot and enter the rescue mode
[01:35] <Kal_Zakath> not really an issue
[01:35] <ryan> and its 1024x768
[01:35] <ryan> and its much much quicker
[01:35] <ryan> yeah
[01:35] <ryan> and then the sound wasn't detected
[01:35] <Kal_Zakath> easily fixed
[01:35] <ryan> and alsa was a headache
[01:35] <ryan> but hey
[01:35] <ryan> the oss module worked fine
[01:35] <borgmeister> does that bypass the passwords?
[01:36] <gen> ryan, we arent on aol
[01:36] <Kal_Zakath> yeah
[01:36] <ryan> modprobe cs4232
[01:36] <ogra> borgmeister: you are root the....with no pw
[01:36] <borgmeister> i have a password
[01:36] <Kal_Zakath> it's signle user mode, init 1
[01:36] <Matt|> i've off
[01:36] <Matt|> bye dudes
[01:36] <ryan> gen: what
[01:36] <borgmeister> oh
[01:36] <borgmeister> heh
[01:36] <bigt> does ubuntu support 'custom' ?
[01:36] <borgmeister> cheers ogra
[01:37] <ogra> ;)
[01:37] <borgmeister> the litte....
[01:37] <borgmeister> guess whos getting a beating tommorow
[01:37] <GammaRay> borgmeister: you?
[01:37] <borgmeister> no thankfully
[01:38] <Kal_Zakath> lol
[01:38] <borgmeister> nvm
[01:38] <Kal_Zakath> give a slap to you friend from me borgmeister :)
[01:39] <borgmeister> i shall
[01:39] <borgmeister> well, it was my fault
[01:39] <TrasMontano> Hi i'm back :-(
[01:39] <Kal_Zakath> TrasMontano : a marche ? (does it work ?)
[01:39] <borgmeister> we were having an argument
[01:39] <borgmeister> over linux vs mac osx
[01:39] <TrasMontano> Kal_Zakath: non a marche pas :-(
[01:39] <TrasMontano> NO
[01:39] <Kal_Zakath> erf
[01:39] <Kal_Zakath> TrasMontano : what happended ?
[01:39] <ogra> TrasMontano: smp.....
[01:39] <TrasMontano> Kal_Zakath: i has the same problem whith debian
[01:40] <TrasMontano> ogra: the only way :-(
[01:40] <ogra> TrasMontano: the better way ;)
[01:40] <Kal_Zakath> and what's the pb exactly ?
[01:40] <ogra> TrasMontano: the upgradeable way
[01:40] <TrasMontano> Kal_Zakath: VFS unable to mount unknown block (0,0)
[01:40] <ogra> TrasMontano: the painless one
[01:40] <Kal_Zakath> ogra : doesn't agree
[01:40] <borgmeister> and he said hed break into my system faster than i could his
[01:40] <ogra> Kaloz: why ?
[01:41] <borgmeister> ive never used mac osx
[01:41] <Kal_Zakath> unless you know what you are doing
[01:41] <bigt> dang i can't get terminal to open :(
[01:41] <borgmeister> anyway, im buying the beer
[01:41] <TrasMontano> SMP is not slower than i386 in uniprocessor?
[01:41] <ogra> Kal_Zakath: so you know how all the bits and pieces in ubuntu work together and know what you can en/disable ?
[01:42] <ogra> TrasMontano: nope
[01:42] <Kal_Zakath> ogra : at least, I have a compiled kernel that works perfectly
[01:42] <ogra> Kaloz: so what will you do if you upgrade to the next release ?
[01:42] <ogra> argh
[01:43] <ogra> Kal_Zakath
[01:43] <Kal_Zakath> I'll recompile another one :)
[01:43] <TrasMontano> Kal_Zakath: i think i know what i do but 2.6.8 (compiled by me) never work in my computer, vmware too....
[01:43] <TrasMontano> debian or ubuntu now
[01:43] <TrasMontano> the same problem
[01:43] <Kal_Zakath> TrasMontano : you can't get vmware to work ?
[01:43] <ogra> Kal_Zakath: ok....if you like the extra work....
[01:43] <TrasMontano> VFS ....
[01:44] <Kal_Zakath> ogra : yeah, I'm workless at the moment, so I have plety of time :)
[01:44] <TrasMontano> Kal_Zakath: no 2.6.8 kernel compiled by me in vmware
[01:44] <Kal_Zakath> ok
[01:44] <ogra> TrasMontano: install the smp kernel ... will work fine
[01:44] <TrasMontano> vmware work perfectlcy
[01:44] <Kal_Zakath> ok ok
[01:44] <TrasMontano> ogra: i dl the smp, but u agree with me normaly it should work
[01:45] <TrasMontano> ogra: and smp will boot? it's my real problem, the support of high memory is other thing
[01:45] <sladen> Keybuk: re HIG;  would a wrapped Qt app be any worse than OOo ?  (Eg.  A re-skin with some effort towards bringing it closer to HIG) ?
[01:46] <ogra> TrasMontano: i dunno what or how you compiled (and dont want to know) but its useless....if it doesnt work, thats why there are prepackaged kernels
[01:46] <Keybuk> sladen: nope, but OOo are actually trying
[01:46] <ogra> TrasMontano: as long as you dont fiddle around with your menu.lst everything is automatic in ubuntu
[01:46] <TrasMontano> ok... i understand u want i install a prepaged kernel and don't compile mine
[01:47] <TrasMontano> ogra: yes i saw, but you don't clean the kernel? it's all enabled by default
[01:48] <ogra> Kal_Zakath: i only compile kernels for servers, as i  want it monolithic there with only the needed options, but i think its useless for desktops
[01:48] <ogra> TrasMontano: yep... for desktop use its ok....
[01:48] <spacey`ki> ogra, i think exactly the same
[01:49] <TrasMontano> what is monolithic??
[01:49] <spacey`ki> no module support
[01:49] <TrasMontano> oki !
[01:49] <ogra> TrasMontano: if you plug in anything on a deafult ubuntu kernel, the module will get loaded fine.... if the module is missing you have to recompile....you loose comfort....
[01:50] <TrasMontano> ogra: but it boot slower
[01:50] <ogra> TrasMontano: so i stay with the default and ipress my friends with sticking in their usb cams without installing a driver ;)
[01:51] <spacey`ki> TrasMontano, don't shut it down ;p
[01:51] <TrasMontano> ogra: LOL !!
[01:51] <ogra> TrasMontano: how much slower (in minutes) ?
[01:51] <TrasMontano> ogra: no in minutes lol
[01:51] <TrasMontano> ok i exmplaim what i want to do really
[01:51] <ogra> trat: so you cant afford some seconds for comfort ?
[01:52] <TrasMontano> ubuntu is more for my desktop but i want to make un gateway (firewall, proxy)
[01:52] <TrasMontano> ogra: you are right i know
[01:54] <TrasMontano> i want to make a gateway with a debian or debian like distribution, optimizing it, securing it, for doing only its job
[01:54] <ogra> TrasMontano: dont tell my GF
[01:54] <TrasMontano> ogra: GF?
[01:54] <ogra> GirlFriend
[01:55] <TrasMontano> lol
[01:55] <seek187> wow enemy-territory runs like crap
[01:55] <cardador> seek187: whats your graphic card?
[01:55] <seek187> radeon 9200
[01:56] <ryan> poor poor ati users
[01:56] <ryan> the shit they have to put up with :(
[01:56] <gen> ryan, stop being a fanboy
[01:56] <TrasMontano> so for making my gateway i've to stay on 2.4.XX kernel?? (i know it's not the topic of the chan) i just want youre advise
[01:56] <seek187> does fglrx work with xorg in hoary?
[01:56] <ryan> gen: shut up.
[01:56] <gen> fanboy
[01:56] <seek187> or can I even use it with a 9200?
[01:56] <ryan> idiot
[01:56] <Mithrandir> ryan, gen: please calm down.
[01:57] <gen> no problem
[01:59] <ogra> night guys......
[01:59] <ryan> heh
[01:59] <ryan> night
[01:59] <gen> night ogra
[01:59] <TrasMontano> night ogra just a question
[01:59] <gen> too late tras
[01:59] <TrasMontano> lol
[01:59] <TrasMontano> no pb
[01:59] <TrasMontano> but maybe anybody know the solution
[02:01] <TrasMontano> why when i dl the smp-k7-image il download the linux-image-2.6-k7-smp it download the linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-k7-smp too???????
[02:01] <TrasMontano> sorry
[02:01] <HrdwrBoB> TrasMontano: linux-image-2.6-k7-smp is a meta package
[02:01] <HrdwrBoB> it simply points to the latest version
[02:01] <robertj> if you play mpgs and they are showing up as all black, but you have audio, what's the likely solution?
[02:02] <TrasMontano> what is meta package?
[02:02] <HrdwrBoB> it's a package that has no real contents
[02:02] <ryan> robertj: video output plugin?
[02:02] <HrdwrBoB> it's use is depending on other packages
[02:02] <ryan> robertj: which player are you using?
[02:02] <spacey`ki> see it like a symlink
[02:02] <robertj> tried totem with gstreamer and xine
[02:02] <HrdwrBoB> spacey`ki: kinda yeah
[02:02] <TrasMontano> HrdwrBoB: thx i understood
[02:02] <robertj> both give the same result (well xine is blue screen instead of black)
[02:02] <ryan> robertj: you may have much better luck with mplayer
[02:02] <spacey`ki> anyway good night /me zzzz
[02:03] <TrasMontano> robertj: try to get xine-ui
[02:03] <robertj> The selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec.
[02:03] <robertj> VDecoder init failed :(
[02:03] <robertj> Opening video decoder: [libmpeg2]  MPEG 1/2 Video decoder libmpeg2-v0.3.1
[02:03] <TrasMontano> spacey night ;-)
[02:03] <robertj> that's from mplayer
[02:03] <HrdwrBoB> robertj: what does mplayer -vo sdl give you
[02:04] <robertj> Hrd: I dont see anything really abnormal
[02:04] <gen> vlc solves all problems :)
[02:05] <robertj> Hrd: what would I be looking for
[02:06] <ryan> has anyone had the chance to try out the new nvidia drivers
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> robertj: nono, mplayer -vo sdl file.mpg
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> run it with file.mpg as the file you want to play
[02:06] <Exasparilla> Hi - I just switched over from Debian, and I have a question:  I own a ZCom XI-325 802.11b card (I think it's prism2).  The orinoco_cs modules get loaded.  No wlan0 shows up in my /dev.  What do I need to do to get wireless working?
[02:06] <robertj> HrdwrBoB: i did that
[02:06] <HrdwrBoB> did it work?
[02:07] <robertj> complains about not finding a matching colorspace
[02:07] <robertj> Could not find matching colorspace - retrying with -vf scale...
[02:07] <robertj> Opening video filter: [scale] 
[02:07] <HrdwrBoB> what is your video card
[02:08] <robertj> i810
[02:10] <Gwildor> ogra, do you remember what Matt| told me to install after i upgraded to hoary?
[02:12] <Gwildor> ogra, nvm found it
[02:13] <bigt> what does this mean ? could not look up internet address for bigtony.example.com This will prevent GNOME from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problme by adding bigtony.example.com to the file /etc/hosts.
[02:13] <bigt> it just started happening :(
[02:18] <logic> bigt: did you just apt-get upgrade? I got the same after I upgraded ... hasn't caused me problems but its annoying
[02:18] <bigt> yeah
[02:18] <nomasteryoda> did you add - bigtony.example.com to the file /etc/hosts ??
[02:18] <bigt> i don't know what the deal is
[02:18] <bigt> no i haven't
[02:18] <nomasteryoda> it will fix it
[02:19] <bigt> just put it like that ?
[02:19] <nomasteryoda> yea
[02:19] <bigt> with the local loopback or what?
[02:19] <nomasteryoda> the localhost needs a name
[02:19] <bigt> ok
[02:19] <nomasteryoda> and that update must have given it one
[02:19] <bigt> let me try
[02:19] <Gmail> when is the .deb firefox 1 final coming into the responsories>
[02:19] <nomasteryoda> k
[02:22] <Kamion> Exasparilla: you shouldn't expect to see network interface names appear in /dev; they never do in Linux
[02:22] <Kamion> Exasparilla: the interface should be eth0 rather than wlan0, I'd expect
[02:23] <supos> Gmail: which repository? It's in debian unstable now
[02:23] <Kamion> Gmail: when it's done
[02:23] <Kamion> shouldn't expect it to be long
[02:25] <Gmail> Kamion: every what does debian merge to ubuntu?
[02:25] <Kamion> when developers have time
[02:25] <Kamion> it's a semi-manual process
[02:26] <Kamion> it's part of our standard work day, but that doesn't mean that the merge of something as large and complicated as mozilla-firefox is easy or quick
[02:27] <sysop> just curious...anyone know a Ubuntu shipped CD eta?
[02:27] <jdub> this month
[02:27] <sysop> sweet! :-)
[02:28] <Gmail> sysop: rumer are that some of the first order to australia arre in australia as of yesterday
[02:30] <sysop> Gmail: Makes sense if they're being shipped from South Africa I guess. The states will probably take much longer! :-) USPS sux sometimes.
[02:31] <Kamion> I wouldn't imagine that they're being shipped from SA
[02:31] <Kamion> Canonical isn't based there
[02:31] <sysop> UK then?
[02:32] <Kamion> I'm not privy to the details, but the UK seems a rather more likely candidate given that all our admin stuff is here
[02:32] <Keybuk> Kamion: NL isn't it?
[02:32] <Gmail> sysop: i said the first lot not all
[02:32] <Kamion> Keybuk: is it? ok
[02:32] <Keybuk> I seem to recall mako saying something about it
[02:32] <Kamion> ah, well mako would certainly know better than I :)
[02:32] <mako> i know
[02:32] <mako> :)
[02:32] <Keybuk> mako: so where are they coming from? :)
[02:32] <mako> the cds are coming from the netherlands
[02:32] <mako> they started shipping this week
[02:33] <mako> the high priority ultra urgent orders went out wednesday
[02:33] <mako> ergh.. monday
[02:33] <Keybuk> who's are "high priority ultra urgent"? :)
[02:33] <mako> Keybuk: people who responded to teh mail to say "this is ultra urgent"
[02:33] <robertj> Any big companies asking for cds?
[02:33] <Keybuk> heh
[02:34] <gen> anyone know any good stats display programs? such as cpu usage, disk space left, temps, etc..
[02:34] <mako> robertj: we sent a a bunch to redhat :)
[02:34] <gen> to display(desktop)
[02:34] <mako> and threw in a little display box!
[02:34] <robertj> mako: I'm really glad Ubuntu came along when it did
[02:34] <sysop> redhat! huh :-)
[02:34] <Kal_Zakath> gen : gkrellm
[02:34] <robertj> otherwise I really believe Novel could have done naughty things to Linux
[02:34] <mako> clee: did you get your cd's yet?
[02:34] <gen> thanks kal
[02:35] <Kal_Zakath> gen : ork gdesklet if you are more courageaous :)
[02:35] <sysop> robertj: I agree...thankful for ubuntu now!
[02:35] <gen> why would i need to be corageous for something so simple?
[02:35] <mako> it will take a couple weeks for everything to leave the factory and then some time for it make its way in the mail :)
[02:35] <gen> as in, it should be simple
[02:36] <robertj> Hehe, is there anything we can do to shake more money out of your sugar daddy?
[02:36] <robertj> Write him letters, send him flowers ;)
[02:37] <tolstoya> what nasty things would novel have done?
[02:44] <Gwildor> SWeeT, i made it guys
[02:45] <clee> mako: Not as far as I know
[02:45] <clee> mako: I wasn't at the office today though
[02:57] <mako> clee: ok, it probably came today
[02:58] <mako> clee: the other US packages i know of did
[02:58] <mako> clee: they're great looking
[02:58] <Keybuk> mako: should I expect CDs tomorrow UK then?
[02:58] <mako> Keybuk: if you were on the high priority lisy, you should already have it
[02:59] <mako> Keybuk: otherwise, i don't know but you're at teh top of the list and it's only coming from the nl so i'd expect is soon
[02:59] <mako> Keybuk: as long as they are shipping in the order that i gave it to them (in the order it went into the DB) which you would put you in the first 30 packages
[03:00] <Keybuk> *nods*
[03:00] <Keybuk> so it should arrive before I'm not here then :p
[03:00] <clee> mako: well, thanks :)
[03:02] <kingkevbo> Greetings everyone, I have a question on how security updates work in Ubuntu
[03:02] <Keybuk> kingkevbo: what is your question?  (and I'm trying to resist giving "because we don't let thom near them" as the answer already <g>)
[03:03] <kingkevbo> I know that main gets security updates, and that universal is "not supported
[03:03] <HrdwrBoB> universe
[03:03] <HrdwrBoB> but yes
[03:03] <kingkevbo> But does that mean that noone updates universe?
[03:04] <bob2> universe does not get security fixes
[03:04] <bob2> nor does it change after a release
[03:04] <bob2> the development branch of universe gets updates from sid
[03:05] <Bernhard> but they have to be extra-compiled for umbuntu?
[03:05] <Bernhard> -m
[03:05] <bob2> "extra-compiled"?
[03:05] <bob2> they're binaries
[03:05] <kingkevbo> oic, so no new versions in universe once the snapshot is taken of Sid
[03:05] <Bernhard> but not the same binaries as in Sid?
[03:06] <Foxfyre> Howdy folks
[03:06] <bob2> Bernhard: they're rebuilt, yes
[03:06] <Bernhard> bob2, thanks
[03:06] <billytwowilly> When buying an addon PCI IDE card is there anything I should look out for? Should they all just work with linux?
[03:06] <bob2> www.linux-ide.org has a list of supported ones, iirc
[03:06] <billytwowilly> nice
[03:07] <Foxfyre> So I got a new wireless card today for my laptop, and Ubuntu is not recognizing it immediately. Where do I go to add hardware?
[03:07] <bob2> is it supported by linux?
[03:07] <bob2> if so, it should Just Work
[03:08] <Foxfyre> I'm double checking now
[03:08] <billytwowilly> Foxfyre, what did you get?
[03:09] <kingkevbo> Thanks for answering my question bob2
[03:09] <Foxfyre> Trendware, cheapo card. As it turns out it's not supposed to work with Linux. Boy do I feel like an idiot.
[03:10] <kingkevbo> Ugh, I've had so many headaches w/ wifi cards, finally I just got an Orinoco Classic Gold
[03:10] <hypa7ia> lol kingkevbo, that's what i did too
[03:10] <hypa7ia> but i finally got my internal card working
[03:11] <kingkevbo> I love it when manufacturers change chipsets and they can't even tell you what's under the hood
[03:11] <Foxfyre> I'm on a tight budget so this is what I got for now
[03:11] <kingkevbo> I can sympathize Foxfyre
[03:12] <billytwowilly> gah
[03:12] <Foxfyre> Alright, well thanks, seeya all later
[03:13] <kingkevbo> yw
[03:14] <kingkevbo> I would really like to use Ubuntu on a server I am planning to colo.... Any suggestions on dealing w/ security?
[03:14] <HrdwrBoB> kingkevbo: use only stuff in main :)
[03:14] <billytwowilly> woot! found one and it's cheap1
[03:14] <billytwowilly> !
[03:14] <billytwowilly> bob2, thanks for the info
[03:15] <bob2> kingkevbo: use supported stuff and subscribe to debian-security-announce, which will have advisories for some more stuff from universe
[03:15] <bob2> of course the versions differ, etc, but it's something
[03:16] <billytwowilly> hhmm. Ok, this says it has a 40 -pin connector. I thought IDE used 80 pins??
[03:16] <grelli> billytwowilly no
[03:16] <billytwowilly> hey!
[03:16] <kingkevbo> Should I compile from source for non-main?
[03:16] <billytwowilly> grelli is in here!
[03:16] <grelli> IDE is a 40pin connector, but ata100/133 cables have 80 conductors
[03:16] <bob2> ata-100 uses 80-pins 40 are extra ground conductors
[03:17] <bob2> kingkevbo: that won't help...
[03:17] <grelli> and yes, I am in here
[03:17] <billytwowilly> wow.
[03:17] <kingkevbo> I'd still have to keep up w/ advisories, of course
[03:17] <billytwowilly> A fellow Edmontonian in #ubuntu. That's neat
[03:18] <bob2> kingkevbo: what'
[03:18] <bob2> s  the advntage of compiling yourself then?
[03:19] <kingkevbo> Well, the packages wouldn't be updated, so why not download tarballs directly when an advisory hits?
[03:20] <bob2> or get the source from sid and rebuild
[03:20] <grelli> anywho
[03:20] <kingkevbo> Ah, yup, I could :-P
[03:21] <kingkevbo> duh ;-)
[03:21] <JDahl> bob2, we were talking about a wiki for openAFS/Ubuntu yesterday: after testing it more I am putting it on hold - the kernel module is still much to buggy, even crashes linux occasionally
[03:21] <bob2> JDahl: ah, that sucks
[03:21] <ben> hi
[03:22] <ben> is there a way to de-uglify qt?
[03:22] <ben> i installed it from apt-get and it's so ugly
[03:22] <ben> in skype, all the icons are cut off and stuff like that
[03:23] <kingkevbo> Thanks for the advice bob2 :-)
[03:24] <ben> anyone?
[03:25] <bob2> kingkevbo: you're welcome
[03:28] <ben> ?
[03:29] <bob2> I guess no one is using it
[03:29] <bob2> try the list
[03:29] <asdf_46> ben, I have never messed with that, but there is probibly a hidden directory in your home folder with kde stuff you could change the theme.
[03:32] <hypa7ia> hey, i have to either do some crazy bios hacking or apply a patch to the kernel and recompile it.  are there any advantages to running a custom kernel?
[03:32] <HrdwrBoB> hypa7ia: not overly
[03:33] <sladen> <Riddell > epod: install kdeartwork-styles and put widgetStyle=plastik in ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals
[03:33] <ben> asdf_46, ok, i'll look
[03:33] <asdf_46> hypa7ia, depends on who you ask
[03:33] <asdf_46> :)
[03:33] <sladen> hypa7ia: what are you having to do crazy hackery for?
[03:33] <hypa7ia> lol asdf_46
[03:34] <hypa7ia> sladen: it involves decompiling the DSDT and patching it
[03:34] <ben> asdf_46, I see a .qt folder, but it's just got a single plugin file thing
[03:34] <ben> no themes :(
[03:34] <hypa7ia> there;s a bug in the acpi in my notebook
[03:34] <asdf_46> hypa7ia, what kind of notebook?
[03:34] <ben> hypa7ia, dude, same with me i think, ubuntu won't recognize my acpi, even though the bios says that's what my laptop is running
[03:35] <Rene_S> Close the pages really fast and squish the bug
[03:35] <ben> Rene_S, rofl
[03:35] <hypa7ia> <-- not a dude :-)
[03:35] <ben> dudette ;)
[03:35] <hypa7ia> asdf_46: ASUS M6N laptop
[03:36] <ben> i have a compaq
[03:36] <hypa7ia> ben, what kind do you have?
[03:36] <hypa7ia> ahh
[03:36] <ben> which are none to store bios on the harddrive
[03:36] <hypa7ia> mine's the one that LinuxCertified is selling :-)
[03:36] <ben> which is the stupidest thing i've ever seen, but w/e
[03:36] <ben> *known
[03:36] <hypa7ia> ibought it barebones and didn't pay the M$ tax :-)
[03:36] <ben> not none
[03:38] <eclipse> after i upgraded to x.org when i try to move the icons on my desktop it shows the border line of my desktop...so is there a way to disable that feature?
[03:38] <bob2> has someone filed a bug?
[03:38] <eclipse> lol
[03:38] <noneus1st> are there any problems with new x.org and firegl?
[03:38] <eclipse> is that a bug?
[03:38] <eclipse> well i'm using nvidia driver
[03:38] <sladen> noneus1st: I don't know.  Have you found one?
[03:39] <bob2> eclipse: it sounds like it to me
[03:39] <bob2> noneus1st: it won't work
[03:39] <sladen> eclipse: what do you mean 'border line' ?
[03:39] <noneus1st> bob2, thanks. so no xorg update
[03:39] <eclipse> lol, u have the same thing/bug?
[03:40] <ryan> eclipse: i believe that is nautilus...
[03:40] <ryan> and i believe its just to let you know where the icon will be dropped
[03:40] <ryan> open the computer window, for example
[03:40] <eclipse> well for example, if i move an icon to a different area on my desktop it shows the 4 lines from 4 angles
[03:40] <ryan> and drag an icon over it
[03:40] <ryan> and the border will go from the root window to the computer window
[03:40] <eclipse> like a box of a desktop
[03:41] <eclipse> ryan: but i never had that before
[03:41] <eclipse> i don't like that feature/bug
[03:41] <ryan> eclipse: yeah well i think it might be a new 'feature'
[03:41] <eclipse> it could be a bug or something
[03:42] <ryan> since nautilus got updated
[03:42] <noneus1st> nice i have to update 151 packages. my last update was last week
[03:42] <ryan> let me locate a changelog
[03:42] <eclipse> well, i think it's nautilus cause it's on the desktop
[03:42] <eclipse> well, i think it's NOT nautilus cause it's on the desktop
[03:43] <ryan> ...nautilus draws the desktop
[03:43] <asdf_46> Any ideas on a ndis wrapper wireless card not getting a dhcp address?
[03:43] <bob2> the ndiswrapper people would probably be a better source of info
[03:43] <eclipse> ok
[03:43] <labanux> did someone know how to turn off the ubuntu
[03:44] <eclipse> ryan, do u know a way to disable that feature?
[03:44] <asdf_46> bob2, thanks, i'll chek it ouy/
[03:44] <ryan> eclipse: no; i'm looking for the changelog though to determine if its a bug or feature
[03:45] <labanux> i try : computer .>logout >turn off, but it doesn't work
[03:45] <labanux> then i try halt -p
[03:45] <labanux> it still got the same
[03:45] <labanux> i try again shutdown -h now
[03:45] <bob2> labanux: does running "modprobe apm" first help?
[03:45] <labanux> but my ubuntu still can't turned off
[03:45] <nessmuk> anybody know how to set up English Dvorak in Ubuntu?
[03:46] <labanux> modprobe apm?
[03:46] <bob2> labanux: assuming you mean "I tell my computer to shutdown, but it doesn't power off"
[03:46] <labanux> wait a minute.., i'll try it
[03:46] <labanux> bob2: yeah.., exactly like what you said..
[03:46] <ryan> gmm
[03:47] <ryan> eclipse: unfortunately according to the NEWS file `nautilus 2.8.2 was updated without a news entry'
[03:47] <labanux>  sudo modprobe apm
[03:47] <labanux> Password:
[03:47] <labanux> FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device
[03:47] <eclipse> ryan: so it's a bug?
[03:47] <labanux> that's the error message..
[03:47] <ryan> eclipse: still don't know.
[03:47] <eclipse> man i think it;s a bug
[03:47] <kingkevbo> labanux:  Is APM turned off in your BIOS?
[03:48] <eclipse> plus i don't like that when i move an icon
[03:48] <bob2> you probably need some acpi thing then
[03:48] <bob2> no idea which one, ask on the list
[03:48] <labanux> eh..??
[03:48] <labanux> i don't know..
[03:48] <ryan> i suppose you could try filing it and see if a developer clarifies the situation
[03:49] <eclipse> ryan: it was fine before i upgrade from xfree to x.org
[03:49] <ryan> eclipse: yes, but when you upgraded to x.org, i'm sure your nautilus was updated as well
[03:49] <bob2> labanux: ask which ACPI modules you need to load to be able to powerdown, on the list
[03:50] <eclipse> but i didn't upgrade gnome
[03:50] <labanux> kingkevbo: so.., i must turn on the apm on my bios setting..?
[03:50] <sladen> mjg59: acpi module to be able to poweroff ?
[03:51] <eclipse> ryan: well, r u having the same problem as me?
[03:51] <labanux> bob2: what list did you mean..??
[03:51] <ryan> i get a border yes
[03:51] <ryan> but i don't consider it a problem :)
[03:51] <bob2> labanux: erm, the ubuntu-users one
[03:51] <kingkevbo> labanux:  Well, it could be that APM is turned off in the BIOS, or like bob2 said, your BIOS could be ACPI-compliant
[03:52] <eclipse> r u running hoary or warty?
[03:52] <labanux> kingkevbo: acpi compliant..??
[03:53] <labanux> but the  system say "load_acpi_module"
[03:53] <labanux> but then the computer was stalled
[03:53] <labanux> and nothing happend
[03:53] <ryan> eclipse: i'm running hoary
[03:54] <eclipse> ok
[03:54] <nessmuk> anybody know how to set up English Dvorak in Ubuntu?
[03:54] <kingkevbo> labanux:  There are 2 types of power management used by PCs:  APM and ACPI
[03:55] <labanux> kingkevbo: so how can i know which type does my computer use?
[03:55] <eclipse> ryan: r ur animated cursors flickering when browsing the web?
[03:55] <bob2> dude
[03:55] <bob2> if you're using animated cursors, you have already lost
[03:55] <eclipse> bob2: what do u mean?
[03:57] <kingkevbo> labanux:  Check in your BIOS..... Usually there will be a place where you can turn on APM/ACPI.....That will tell you which one you have
[03:57] <labanux> ok..
[03:57] <labanux> i'll try it first..
[03:57] <MoonSweep> labanux: type "lspci" and see if you have an APM or ACPI system
[03:57] <labanux> if it's succes.., i'll tell you
[03:58] <ben> how do i check my bios?
[03:58] <kingkevbo> Much better idea MoonSweep :-)
[03:59] <MoonSweep> kingkevbo: yes but too late... he left :-/
[03:59] <visor> hi people
[03:59] <eclipse> ryan: do your animated cursors flicker when ur online?
[04:00] <labanux> MoonSweep : i've try using lspci..
[04:00] <visor> i have a question, maybe a stupid one, but as long as only in ubuntu i saw this working well...
[04:01] <labanux> MoonSweep : and this is the output 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8377 [KT400/KT600 AGP]  Host Bridge (rev 80)
[04:01] <labanux> 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 PCI Bridge
[04:01] <labanux> 0000:00:0f.0 RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA VT6420 SATA RAID Controller (rev 80)
[04:01] <labanux> 0000:00:0f.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
[04:01] <labanux> 0000:00:10.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81)
[04:01] <labanux> 0000:00:10.1 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81)
[04:01] <labanux> 0000:00:10.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81)
[04:01] <labanux> 0000:00:10.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 81)
[04:01] <labanux> 0000:00:10.4 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 86)
[04:01] <labanux> 0000:00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 ISA bridge [K8T800 South] 
[04:01] <labanux> 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
[04:01] <labanux> 0000:00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II]  (rev 78)
[04:01] <tseng> easy there champ!
[04:01] <labanux> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE] 
[04:01] <MoonSweep> flood
[04:01] <bob2> labanux: please don't do that again
[04:01] <visor> when you open a remote uri in nautilus like smb:// or sftp:// it is suppossed to access them through gnome-vfs2, doesnt it?
[04:02] <visor> well thing is, if you play a mp3 file say, within nautilus but this file is located in a remote smb server, this is all done by gnome-vfs2 backend?
[04:03] <bob2> if you mean, "can I use non-gnome apps to play it", then no
[04:03] <kingkevbo> labanux:  looks as if your power management has been turned off in the BIOS
[04:03] <bob2> unless it does something dodgy like copying to /tmp
[04:03] <bob2> which it might do
[04:03] <labanux> bob2: hah..??? what's up..??
[04:03] <labanux> bob2: what's my mistake..??
[04:03] <bob2> labanux: don't paste lots of stuff like that again
[04:03] <visor> bob2: actually, i know maybe this is not the channel to do so, but... i can play anything or open anything in ubuntu
[04:03] <AndyFitz> I broke my XF86Config-4 file.  any idea how to execute the ubuntu wizard that sets it up ?
[04:04] <bob2> AndyFitz: read the top of the file
[04:04] <AndyFitz> I managed to run something through aptitude but it didnt save it anywher
[04:04] <visor> bob2: but i just installed suse gnome rpms and i cannot do the same (i need suse... business things)
[04:04] <hypa7ia> AndyFitz: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:04] <Keybuk> adnans: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:04] <hypa7ia> lol
[04:04] <bob2> visor: did you read wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?
[04:04] <AndyFitz> hypa7ia:  cheers heaps.  thanks buddy
[04:05] <visor> bob2: the odd thing is that i can open say an image, or a document remotely within nautilus but not the mp3, video and so, it says theres no plugin toplay, but thats not the reason because if i copy the remote file i can open it locally
[04:05] <labanux> bob2: oh..., i;m sorry .., i don't know about that
[04:05] <hypa7ia> no problemo AndyFitz
[04:06] <erik> hey, is there a good email checker applet?
[04:06] <erik> or how does one monitor for new email in gnome2.8?
[04:06] <visor> bob2: and yeah, as i said, i have no problems for this with ubuntu, just in suse unofficial gnome, so i thought maybe someone had a hint
[04:06] <erik> I'm used to wmbiff in wmaker
[04:06] <visor> erik: i think there is one within applets in the panel area
[04:06] <erik> visor: can't find one
[04:06] <erik> then again i'm using hoary so maybe it's taken out
[04:07] <bob2> it's not in hoary, indeed
[04:07] <visor> erik: just click in "Add to panel" -> "Inbox monitor" and youre done
[04:07] <visor> uhmm i see
[04:07] <erik> hm
[04:07] <erik> guess I'll go hunting
[04:07] <erik> thanks
[04:07] <Keybuk> it's not in upstream either
[04:07] <visor> i have warthy
[04:07] <Keybuk> there's a bounty for one that uses evolution to do it
[04:08] <bob2> visor: it's been removed from upstream gnome 2.9
[04:08] <Keybuk> (a GNOME bounty, that is)
[04:08] <erik> down with evolution!
[04:08] <erik> hypa7ia: can evolution do threading?
[04:08] <visor> bob2: i didnt know
[04:08] <HrdwrBoB> evolution is good
[04:08] <Keybuk> erik: sure.
[04:08] <erik> Keybuk: how?
[04:08] <HrdwrBoB> lol Keybuk
[04:08] <Keybuk> erik: Ctrl+T
[04:09] <kingkevbo> True erik
[04:09] <bob2> Keybuk: KONTACT
[04:09] <ben> where's the file with the acpi=off stuff?
[04:09] <erik> ben: /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[04:09] <ben> yeah, thanks :)
[04:10] <erik> evolution seems to have issues with my ISAP box
[04:10] <erik> IMAP box
[04:10] <kingkevbo> Keybuk:  so Evolution will do threading?
[04:10] <Keybuk> kingkevbo: yes.
[04:10] <erik> C-t doesn't seem to do any threading
[04:10] <BrittBS> erik, yeah ... i'm actually filing a bugreport about that right now
[04:10] <kingkevbo> w00t :-)
[04:10] <ben> uh, i couldn't seem to find anything about acpi in my bios
[04:10] <erik> BrittBS: about IMAP?
[04:10] <ben> i did find something about speedsetp settings
[04:10] <Keybuk> erik: is View -> Threaded Message List  ticked?
[04:10] <BrittBS> erik, yes
[04:10] <visor> bob2: so i can deduct that if totem its not able to play (in suse... not ubuntu :P)  remote files complaining about plugins (wich i have) and being able to play locally those very same kind of files, and opening remote files (like images) works the problem is in totem itself not in gnome-vfs2/nautilus, doesnt it?
[04:10] <erik> Keybuk: yes
[04:11] <ben> i can set speedstep settings from my bios, is it supposed to be that way
[04:11] <Pariente> can some one tell me how to install a live of ubuntu
[04:11] <bob2> visor: hrm, I don't really know, but it sounds reasonable :)
[04:11] <Keybuk> erik: then it should be threading away
[04:11] <ben> isn't cpufreq and powernowd supposed to control that?
[04:11] <kingkevbo> I haven't gotten a chance to play much w/ evolution.... nice
[04:11] <erik> Keybuk: nope :(
[04:11] <Keybuk> erik: *shrug* works fine for me
[04:11] <erik> Keybuk: using warty or hoary
[04:11] <erik> ?
[04:11] <AndyFitz> oh bummer., hyp7ia: its not creating or modifying any files in /etc/X11
[04:11] <visor> bob2: well then, lets start tracking the thingie in totem code, thanks anyway :)
[04:11] <Keybuk> erik: both
[04:11] <erik> I'm using evolution 2.1.0 from hoary
[04:11] <erik> hm, weird
[04:11] <Keybuk> actually, I don't think I've actualled tried 2.1 yet
[04:11] <hypa7ia> AndyFitz: you did it sudo, right?
[04:12] <AndyFitz> this is on hoary btw
[04:12] <erik> at any rate all the nice emacs keybindings don't work so I don't thin kI'm going to be able to use evo :p
[04:12] <ben> how can i know if i have acpi?
[04:12] <AndyFitz> I was sudo while executing it
[04:12] <erik> ben: sniff around in /proc/acpi ?
[04:12] <ben> isn't there a quick command that tells u?
[04:12] <ben> like lspci or something?
[04:12] <Keybuk> erik: well, yes, it's not emacs *shock*
[04:13] <AndyFitz> ps -e
[04:13] <AndyFitz> oops :P
[04:13] <bob2> ben: read your motherboard manual
[04:13] <erik> Keybuk: ok this is weird
[04:13] <hypa7ia> AndyFitz: that's really weird
[04:13] <erik> Keybuk: evo DOES thread *some* messages
[04:13] <hypa7ia> yeah, the threading is kinda lame
[04:13] <erik> Keybuk: but not all threads for some reason ... its as if it only does microsoft threading hints or something
[04:13] <Keybuk> erik: it threads on References/In-Reply-To only (ie properly)
[04:13] <hypa7ia> and new messages don't bring threads to the top chronologically
[04:14] <Keybuk> mails with just the same/similar subject don't get threaded (because it doesn't know where to put them in the tree)
[04:14] <AndyFitz> hypa7ia: I'm running hoary
[04:14] <Keybuk> hypa7ia: sort it by date ...
[04:14] <hypa7ia> AndyFitz: are you maybe using xorg then?
[04:14] <AndyFitz> with main universe multiverse restricted etc
[04:15] <Pariente> my eth0 is not working in ubuntu.......
[04:15] <Pariente> can some one help
[04:15] <Keybuk> erik: turn on the subject-thread plugin :)
[04:15] <AndyFitz> I didnt notice it change to xorg  but sometimes I apt-get without looking
[04:15] <erik> Keybuk: I've got a "References" header here and it's not threading on it
[04:15] <erik> AND an In-Reply-To
[04:16] <Keybuk> erik: you sure you've got the parents ?
[04:16] <hypa7ia> AndyFitz: that might have something to do with it, but i don't really know... plus i'm running hoary
[04:16] <erik> it didn't Keybuk yep
[04:16] <erik> er
[04:16] <Keybuk> it works fine in 2.0
[04:16] <erik> Keybuk: yep
[04:16] <hypa7ia> err warty rather
[04:16] <Keybuk> it could be a 2.1 bug, of course
[04:16] <erik> yeah
[04:16] <erik> must be ... it's very clear
[04:16] <hypa7ia> Keybuk: i do have it sorted by date
[04:16] <erik> the messages are even right next to eachother in the list because they were chronologically next to each other
[04:16] <erik> but it didn't hook em
[04:16] <bob2> erik: do you have the parent?
[04:16] <erik> bob2: yeah
[04:17] <hypa7ia> the sorting by date should be by the most recent message in the thread
[04:17] <erik> hang on
[04:17] <erik> screenshot coming
[04:17] <AndyFitz> see I was editing XF86config-4 and the backup was overwritten.  I think its just a configuration error .  but for some reason  dpkg-reconfigure wont replace my problem
[04:17] <erik> ... after an incredibly long "Opening folder imap4://......"
[04:17] <AndyFitz> and the file made by Xfree86 -configure
[04:18] <AndyFitz> doesnt work :-/
[04:18] <bob2> AndyFitz: did you read the top of the file or not?
[04:18] <bob2> it explains exactly how to get debconf to touch it again
[04:18] <noneus> so i updated to xorg. my fglrx stuff still works.
[04:18] <bob2> hm, I thought someone said the ABI changhed
[04:18] <scoon> hey all
[04:19] <scoon> great distro
[04:19] <AndyFitz> the top of what file . XF86Config-4 ?
[04:19] <GotD0t> does anybody know an app that i can open a WPS file with
[04:19] <scoon> i am coming from gentoo and I bet someone has heard this before
[04:19] <bob2> AndyFitz: yes
[04:19] <visor> is it _sane_ to add unstable sources to apt just to update say, gaim?
[04:19] <scoon> how do you get a script to load up during boot ?
[04:19] <visor> me not being a debian guru.. you know i dont want to break the system
[04:19] <AndyFitz> the top says Section "ServerLayout"
[04:19] <bob2> visor: debian unstable or hoary?
[04:20] <bob2> AndyFitz: erm, so you nuked the file completely?
[04:20] <AndyFitz> that file is toast
[04:20] <bob2> bah
[04:20] <hypa7ia> scoon: obligatory gentoo joke :-) http://www.eghetto.ca/~msviolet/Humour/gentoo.jpg
[04:20] <visor> bob2: does hoary has updates packages for gaim?
[04:20] <AndyFitz> I need to make a new one
[04:20] <bob2> visor: I don't know
[04:20] <bob2> it has 1.0.2
[04:20] <erik> http://ebourget.net/~erik/child.png <- gnus displaying the child    http://ebourget.net/~erik/parent.png <-- gnus displaying the parent  http://ebourget.net/~erik/bzzt.png <-- evolution not threading
[04:21] <visor> then it does... well, i think ill try that one
[04:21] <bob2> scoon: copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/whatever, edit it, run "update-rc.d whatever defaults" or so
[04:22] <AndyFitz> bob2: is there a way to recreate the file.  since reconfigure doesnt do this
[04:22] <erik> Keybuk: you agree that evo should be threading that one?
[04:22] <erik> if so, I'll go bugreport evo about it
[04:22] <bob2> AndyFitz: yes, but I don't know it
[04:23] <bob2> ask on the list
[04:23] <spiv> AndyFitz: The instructions at the top of the file you nuked say:
[04:23] <seek187> whats a good cd buring app in hoary?
[04:23] <erik> seek187: nautilus burns CDs
[04:23] <spiv> # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
[04:23] <spiv> # again, run the following commands as root:
[04:23] <spiv> #
[04:23] <spiv> #   cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom
[04:23] <spiv> #   md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
[04:23] <spiv> #   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:23] <hypa7ia> heh nice conspiracy header erik
[04:23] <seek187> it does?
[04:23] <erik> hypa7ia: :D
[04:23] <erik> seek187: yeah
[04:23] <erik> seek187: go to burn://
[04:23] <seek187> what about isos?
[04:23] <erik> seek187: or right-click on an ISO and hit "burn to cd"
[04:23] <seek187> nice
[04:23] <seek187> cool thx
[04:24] <erik> alternatively a lot of people like k3b and i'm sure it's in universe ... it's kde-requiring though
[04:24] <GotD0t> does anybody know how to open a .wps file?
[04:24] <AndyFitz> thansk spiv
[04:24] <erik> GotD0t: sounds like wordperfect ... openoffice?
[04:24] <ben> "ACPI disabled because your bios is from 2000 and too old
[04:24] <ben> "
[04:24] <ben> why does it do that?
[04:24] <Keybuk> erik: indeed, how curious
[04:24] <hypa7ia> no WP filters in OOo
[04:24] <GotD0t> erik: nah... its MS Works
[04:24] <hypa7ia> alas
[04:24] <erik> hypa7ia: :(
[04:24] <bob2> ben: because almost all old acpi motherboards were unusably buggy
[04:24] <bob2> ben: it's possible to force it on
[04:24] <bob2> (if you think it will work)
[04:24] <spiv> AndyFitz: no worries
[04:24] <ben> bob2, it worked on mandrake
[04:25] <ben> without having to force anything
[04:25] <Gmail> oooh my mail box is full i hope its the cds well i need to wait till my dad opens it
[04:25] <bob2> ben: with the same kernel version?
[04:25] <GotD0t> gmail... you cant get the mail yourself?
[04:25] <erik> hey, does ubuntu do ACPI laptop suspension?  if so, how?
[04:26] <bob2> it works a lot better in hoary
[04:26] <bob2> it depends on the laptop a lot
[04:26] <Gmail> GotD0t: goot r00t? no my dad has the key (we got a new mail box a few days a go)
[04:26] <ben> bob2: oh, i'm not sure about that...
[04:26] <erik> bob2: how do I uh make it happen?
[04:26] <Rene_S> Does no one use a desktop computer anymore ?
[04:26] <erik> assuming my laptop is supported
[04:26] <hypa7ia> now THAT would make me want to update to hoary
[04:26] <erik> Rene_S: nope
[04:26] <ben> Rene_S, nope
[04:26] <ben> lol
[04:26] <hypa7ia> nope :-)
[04:26] <Rene_S> Damn i feel out dated
[04:26] <hypa7ia> actualy i'm gonna be putting ubu on a desktop tomorrow
[04:26] <ben> lol
[04:27] <erik> I just put ubuntu-amd64 on a desktop today
[04:27] <erik> ... TOTALLY AWESOME
[04:27] <Rene_S> Im too clumsy to have a laptop
[04:27] <ben> i want to put ubuntu on my desktop, but my parents would reak out
[04:27] <ben> Rene_S, rofl
[04:27] <kingkevbo> Rene_S:  I do, but I have the laptop too :-)
[04:27] <hypa7ia> mine's an old dell, 900 mhz i think
[04:27] <ben> bob2, what were u saying about hoary being better with laptops?
[04:27] <erik> where the jesus do I report a bug for "novell evolution"?
[04:27] <bob2> ben: no, I didn't say that
[04:27] <ben> hypa7ia, mines an older compaq, 600mhz :p
[04:27] <bob2> erik: ubuntu's bugzilla, /topic
[04:27] <ben> bob2, what did u say?
[04:28] <hypa7ia> laptop is like 2x better than the desktop
[04:28] <bob2> ben: I said ACPI suspend will work a lot better on hoary
[04:28] <ben> oh
[04:28] <BrittBS> erik, or http://bugzilla.ximian.com/ if you know it is evo specific
[04:28] <erik> Ah
[04:28] <erik> yeah
[04:28] <erik> ximian sounds good :p
[04:28] <ben> well, i'm gonna tray acpi forced on and hope for the best
[04:28] <Rene_S> its bad enough I gotta compete with the digital camera freaks, soon I am gonna need a laptop anyhow
[04:28] <hypa7ia> bob2: is that "will" as in "doesn't yet"
[04:29] <bob2> hypa7ia: "will" as in "when it releases"
[04:29] <hypa7ia> Rene_S: ASUS
[04:29] <hypa7ia> ahh, gotcha bob2 :-)
[04:29] <bob2> it probably does now if you're running a mjg59-special-edition kernel
[04:29] <kingkevbo> I'm running a mighty 500MHz Celeron .... woo hoo
[04:29] <Rene_S> hypa7ia, prolly there is a nice little Korean place I get all my comp stuff at on Queen St
[04:31] <hypa7ia> Rene_S: which one?
[04:31] <hypa7ia> i got mine at canada computers
[04:31] <hypa7ia> NO WINDOZE
[04:31] <hypa7ia> :-)
[04:31] <hypa7ia> was very excited about that.
[04:31] <seek187> Anyone know where the download site is for the live cd?
[04:31] <Rene_S> hypa7ia, trying to find the card someplace, i dont go there that often so the name escapes me
[04:31] <bob2> seek187: same as the download site for the non-live cd
[04:31] <bob2> releases.ubuntu.com
[04:31] <seek187> ok thx
[04:32] <kingkevbo> Well, it's been fun, thanks again bob2 for the advice, see ya later
[04:33] <Rene_S> hypa7ia, hmm can't find the card at the moment
[04:33] <hypa7ia> no worries
[04:33] <Rene_S> hypa7ia, wife cleaned up my piles
[04:33] <The_Real_Rya> www.cleftintherock.net 24/7 Christian Rock mp3pro stream, follow directions on bottom left of page to listen in :-P
[04:34] <ben> well acpi half works
[04:34] <ben> it recognizes when it's plugged in
[04:34] <AndyFitz> problem fixed !!
[04:34] <hypa7ia> lol, we got irc-spammed
[04:34] <seek187> lol
[04:34] <AndyFitz> thaks hypa7ia, spiv
[04:35] <AndyFitz> thanks LOL
[04:35] <hypa7ia> :-)
[04:35] <scoon> anyone: how do i get a script to load at boot
[04:38] <Ruffian|JANE|> www.google.com you will find you answer there :-p
[04:38] <visor> soon: put it under /etc/init.d with +x permissions and do links to it in /etc/rc3.d /etc/rc4.d and so on
[04:39] <bob2> scoon: I told you already
[04:39] <scoon> Ruffian|JANE|: thanks for the obvious.  but I am really looking for something like rc-update in gentoo
[04:39] <scoon> visor: so that is the only way ? no runlevel editor
[04:39] <Ruffian|JANE|> ic
[04:39] <bob2> scoon: which part of my answer was confusing?
[04:39] <tseng> man update-rc.d
[04:39] <bob2> scoon: of course there is, update-rc.d, gnome-system-tools in hoary, sysv-rc-conf
[04:40] <visor> scoon: thats the "standard way" i guess
[04:40] <Rene_S> Ok i been running this xcompmgr all night and I dont see anything different
[04:42] <scoon> thatnks for all the help: but can someone tell me when /etc/inittab gets exec'd
[04:42] <bob2> scoon: during boot
[04:42] <bob2> scoon: you don't need to edit it
[04:43] <AndyFitz> okay . now xorg is being installed :)
[04:44] <AndyFitz> feels like I fixed it to uninstall it
[04:46] <hypa7ia> okay.  should i go hoary?
[04:46] <hypa7ia> i have to go do dishes anyway :-)
[04:46] <noneus> i have hoary works fine. bt one thing. dvd playback is lagging.
[04:46] <hypa7ia> oh, that doesn't bug me too much
[04:46] <RobLinux> anyone here knows the difference with Libranet and Ubuntu?
[04:47] <hypa7ia> RobLinux: different philosophy, different release cycles
[04:47] <kensai> RobLinux: Ubuntu rocks
[04:47] <hypa7ia> that too :-)
[04:47] <RobLinux> True
[04:47] <noneus> i switched from crux to ubuntu. ubuntu is easy to use and fast.
[04:47] <kensai> anyone can give me a good fstab line for my dvd rom?
[04:47] <RobLinux> What's Ubuntu Philosophy :)
[04:48] <noneus> read at ubuntulinux.org
[04:48] <RobLinux> I'm going to the website dont worry ;)
[04:48] <kensai> RobLinux: everythiong is free and will stay free
[04:48] <bob2> kensai: you don't need one
[04:48] <kensai> bob2: why?
[04:48] <hypa7ia> RobLinux: ubuntu is an Nguni wrord meaning "humanity towards others"
[04:48] <scoon> so, inittab exec order anyone ?
[04:48] <RobLinux> ya
[04:48] <bob2> scoon: what are you trying to do?
[04:49] <bob2> scoon: you don't ever need to edit inittab
[04:49] <kensai> bob2: cdrom has a line in fstab
[04:49] <hypa7ia> and you can prolly see that the community is pretty friendly :-)
[04:49] <noneus> i have a question to ubuntu-calendar. is there every month an update for a new wallpaper?
[04:49] <bob2> kensai: gnome-volume-manager will handle it
[04:49] <bob2> noneus: yes
[04:49] <kensai> bob2: so i just put a dvd and magic it starts?
[04:49] <noneus> i use alsamixer anyway. i don't like gnome-mixer
[04:49] <RobLinux> Ubuntu can use other windows manager? kde, xfce ?
[04:49] <bob2> kensai: you don't need to mount it to play it
[04:49] <noneus> kensai, that's it.
[04:49] <bob2> RobLinux: yes, but they're not supported
[04:50] <Rene_S> Friendly, You can all rot in eternal damnation
[04:50] <noneus> RobLinux, Yes but ubuntu installs gnome by default.
[04:50] <bob2> kensai: when you install it, totem will start
[04:50] <noneus> totem is one shitty appication. that totem-gstreamer never worked here.
[04:50] <Rene_S> hypa7ia, beats throwing a fry pan at me
[04:51] <bob2> it works fine, but it won't play your pirated movies or mp3
[04:51] <bob2> or dvds
[04:51] <hypa7ia> lol Rene_S
[04:51] <kensai> noneus: hehe it is totem sucks
[04:51] <hypa7ia> now bob2, many of my mp3's are perfectly legal
[04:51] <kensai> noneus: mplayer rules
[04:51] <hypa7ia> at least 10% of them :-)
[04:52] <Rene_S> gxine does a better job of front ending than that totem thing
[04:52] <bob2> scoon: what are you trying to do?
[04:52] <RobLinux> bob2: their not support meaning no support if something doesnt work or  ?
[04:52] <bob2> or are you doing some sort of bizarro gentoo mind-game-troll?
[04:52] <RobLinux> bob2: yes I know I used it before gnome is default :) I was here before I dont know if anyone remembers me
[04:52] <bob2> RobLinux: only things in the "supported" section of ubuntu gets security updates, etc
[04:53] <RobLinux> bob2: got'cha
[04:53] <bob2> RobLinux: lots and lots more stuff is in universe, but it doesn't get security updates until the next release
[04:53] <memer> uh-oh. trying to try ubuntu...got the disc in but it seems to be hanging at "loading module ide-cd"  for the last. like, 10 mins?
[04:53] <bob2> memer: sure the cd burnt ok?
[04:53] <hypa7ia> memer: livecd or install?
[04:53] <ryan> bob2: in other words, totem doesn't work for anything useful ;)
[04:53] <RobLinux> anyone knows if i can run it via vmware ?
[04:54] <bob2> RobLinux: ubuntu?  sure...
[04:54] <bob2> there are some notes in the wiki about it
[04:54] <memer> hm. right. y'know, ive never had a problem with that as i do it on my wife's mac (which i think has a checker built in or something. could be talkin out by a** tho).  this is the install disc
[04:54] <RobLinux> ya cool
[04:54] <Rene_S> A viewmaster has a better chance of working than totem
[04:55] <memer> uh, is there  a quickie tutorial on how to check the burn? *ducks as he surfs to ubuntu site*
[04:55] <hypa7ia> does upgrading to hoary break anything?
[04:55] <RobLinux> I'm gonna run it on my laptop which is fast .. right now i'm on my linux box (im a newbie) by the way... and im dual-booting here on my desktop celeron 634mhz 256mbsdram 20gb Yoper & Libranet ... my laptop is amd athlon xp-m 2800+ 768mb ddr 30gb so it should better :)
[04:55] <Rene_S> Depends, didnt break anything on mine
[04:55] <WW> Hello world.
[04:55] <Rene_S> But I use a real computer
[04:55] <tseng> Rene_S: you should see the restricted media page on the wiki before spreading a bunch of FUD
[04:55] <hypa7ia> Rene_S: :-p
[04:56] <bob2> memer: "md5sum /dev/hdc" or so
[04:56] <bob2> Rene_S: please try to stay helpful
[04:56] <hypa7ia> all i care about as far as breakage goes is evolution and firefox
[04:56] <Rene_S> tseng, I did, and I tryed actually using it, it doesnt play anything on my comp ever,  Just hangs
[04:56] <WW> A quick poll for the channel regulars: What are the top five most frequently asked questions here?  ("What is the root password?" is already on the list!)
[04:57] <tseng> WW: luckily there is also an faq on the wiki (see topic)
[04:57] <memer> bob2: um, i've found the page with the checksum things, but not sure what to do with it. i'm on a windows computer right now, btw. do i have to go back to my wife's mac where i burned it?
[04:57] <ryan> i've had totem playing useful things before
[04:57] <ryan> but its not very reliable
[04:57] <memer> (mdsums)
[04:57] <tseng> memer: you can compare your md5sum with the one on the mirror
[04:57] <tseng> for that cd image
[04:57] <ryan> i was hoping to be able to just view the online clips and such without hassle but that is unfortunately not possible with totem in the least
[04:57] <tseng> memer: if they are not identical, you have corrupted image or media
[04:58] <bob2> WW: "I broke my X config file, how do I get it back"
[04:58] <memer> how do i nkow what md5sum is on the disc?
[04:58] <WW> tseng: Yup, but I'm curious what about which ones are really the _most_ frequently asked.
[04:58] <bob2> memer: there's a md5sum.exe program for windows
[04:58] <Rene_S> tseng, it wont even allow me to load a file or anything it just loads the nice gui and freezes so my remark about the viewmaster is valid, in my experience.
[04:58] <bob2> memer: don't know if it can check the actual cd tho
[04:58] <tseng> WW: those are really
[04:58] <memer> oh, cool. thanks, i'll give it a whirl
[04:58] <memer> oh.
[04:58] <bob2> ryan: not with totem-xine?
[04:58] <tseng> Rene_S: not in mine, so i hope you are trying to file useful bug reports
[04:59] <ryan> bob2: totem-xine was the one that was hit and miss
[04:59] <kensai> bob2: It does not started my dvd
[04:59] <ryan> bob2: gstreamer has never worked at all for me, with totem
[04:59] <ryan> bob2: video-wise
[04:59] <Rene_S> tseng, I will, and I will try and keep my viewmaster comment out of it :)
[04:59] <bob2> kensai: computer -> desktop -> removable media
[04:59] <tseng> gstreamer only currently supports fairly open and well known codecs
[04:59] <bob2> kensai: is it enabled?
[04:59] <bob2> kensai: do you havea working dvd player installed?
[05:00] <tseng> unfortunately there isnt a lot of good open source support for windows media and the like
[05:00] <AndyFitz> w00t!! 320x240 ubuntu gnome
[05:00] <ryan> AndyFitz: that sounds hot.
[05:00] <bob2> ryan: yeah, it only plays a very limited number of video formats
[05:00] <bob2> tseng: they can all use windows dlls on i386
[05:00] <ryan> bob2: have they ever considered using mplayer as the backend instead
[05:00] <tseng> bob2: gstreamer can?
[05:00] <ryan> or is there just huge legal issues
[05:00] <bob2> ryan: no way
[05:00] <kensai> bob2: nope it doesn't appear there as I don't have an fstab line for it
[05:00] <bob2> tseng: no, not gstreamer
[05:00] <tseng> right
[05:00] <AndyFitz> http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/gtkrc   - small modification to the gtkrc and  the gnome font properties and its sweet
[05:00] <bob2> kensai: ignore fstab
[05:01] <kensai> bob2: OK
[05:01] <bob2> tseng: the dlls are not distributable anyway, ubuntu can never ship them
[05:01] <kensai> bob2: i'll keep trying thanks
[05:01] <ryan> so whats wrong with mplayer
[05:01] <ryan> it ..works
[05:01] <bob2> ryan: mplayer is a huge bucket of legal problems
[05:01] <Protege61894> I need help installing some drivers. Specifically Nvidia NFORCE and ATI Radeon 9600 drivers.
[05:01] <bob2> Protege61894: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:01] <ryan> bob2: but only in certain countries, no?
[05:01] <Protege61894> ty
[05:01] <bob2> kensai: you don't see anything about dvds drives in that config box?
[05:01] <AndyFitz> all menu's panels and toolbars with 16x16 pixel icons  . makes it look like a PDA could run gnome easily
[05:02] <bob2> ryan: yes, but the patents are actively enforced
[05:02] <ryan> ah
[05:03] <AndyFitz> yet I can't take a screenshot. for somereason its nolonger in the computer menu and when  I use the panel screenshot applet  I get an error " cannot execute gnome-screenshot'
[05:03] <tseng> AndyFitz: its moving to gnome-utils
[05:03] <tseng> AndyFitz: but that module hasnt been released yet
[05:03] <tseng> it will be back soon
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> ryan: it will continue to be used by the community though, as it's the only really functional choice  =)
[05:03] <hypa7ia> to confirm, ati binary drivers are broken with xorg right?  so i should hold it backif going to hoary?
[05:04] <bob2> well, someone claimed it worked today
[05:04] <AndyFitz> tseng.  thanks for the info I can wait
[05:04] <bob2> but I was sure daniel said it wouldn't
[05:04] <tseng> AndyFitz: gimp can take screenshots in the meantime
[05:04] <tseng> hypa7ia: last i checked ati binary drivers conflicted with xorg > 6.8
[05:04] <bob2> or "import -window root" from imagemagick
[05:04] <tseng> hypa7ia: but the ati oss driver is very good these days
[05:05] <tseng> has decent 3d support with dri on my card
[05:05] <AndyFitz> thanks tseng, I always thought it was funny that gnome-panel was the package that handled screenshots
[05:05] <hypa7ia> tseng: should i then just remove fglrx before going to hoary?
[05:06] <tseng> AndyFitz: i also like a package called scrot
[05:06] <tseng> hypa7ia: sounds like a decent plan
[05:06] <tseng> hypa7ia: change "Driver" back to "ati"
[05:06] <hypa7ia> ahh yes
[05:06] <Rene_S> Odd I wonder why they removed the services-admin tool out of the gnome sytem tools
[05:06] <bob2> "they" = "gnome system tools upstream"
[05:06] <bob2> and "they" reenabled it recently
[05:07] <memer> ok, thanks guys. i went back and checked the md5sums and it seems to be waay off from what it should be. bloody hell.  any tricks to avoid that, or is it just luck o the draw?
[05:07] <bob2> burning at a slower speed often helps
[05:07] <Rene_S> how recently because as far as i can see i have all the updates till 7pm est and I can not find em
[05:07] <tseng> memer: also confirm that the iso you are burning from the is whole thing
[05:07] <bob2> Rene_S: it's enabled in the version in hoary
[05:07] <tseng> memer: and matches the md5.. otherwise download/rsync it again
[05:08] <memer> bob2, tseng, many thanks.
[05:08] <Rene_S> Cannot display location 'file://service-admin'
[05:08] <Rene_S> Details: The specified location is invalid.
[05:12] <memer> uh, just before i burn this again, what's a recommended 'safe' speed for burning? 8x?
[05:13] <tseng> memer: depends on your burner, but 8x sounds pretty safe if youre in no hurry
[05:13] <Rotund> you don't have burnproof on your burner?
[05:13] <memer> burnproof? it seems to go up to 16x speed
[05:14] <RobLinux> when are other window manager gonna be supported with ubuntu?
[05:17] <Rotund> RobLinux: Supported, never.  available, already
[05:17] <Rotund> that's my guess at least
[05:18] <bob2> please don't make statements like that unless you're sure :-)
[05:20] <Rene_S> The sky is falling !!! The sky is falling !!!
[05:21] <Protege61894> i keep getting a   No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel; this means
[05:21] <Protege61894>   that the installer will need to compile a new kernel interface.
[05:21] <Protege61894> when i try to install nvidia drivers
[05:21] <nomasteryoda> it is all the time
[05:21] <Rotund> Okay.  I'll reword it.  This distro is heavily geared toward GNOME.  My guess is they will stick with the one that currently best supports GNOME.
[05:21] <bob2> Protege61894: read the instructions again...
[05:21] <bob2> Protege61894: you need to install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[05:21] <bob2> (dunno if the wiki says that or not)
[05:21] <Rotund> bob2: is that better?
[05:22] <bob2> heh, yeah :)
[05:22] <Protege61894> bob2: sudo: nvidia-glx-config: command not found
[05:23] <bob2> erm, that's weird
[05:23] <bob2> I hope some idiot hasn't modified the wiki to only work with hoary
[05:23] <bob2> erm, "hlepful soul"
[05:23] <Rotund> okay.  gstreamer has issues keeping the audio and video from a wmv synced
[05:23] <Rotund> Yet mplayer and gxine (which both use ffmpeg to decode it, I believe) do fine
[05:24] <bob2> gstreamer can play wmv at all?
[05:24] <Rotund> bob2: w/ gst-ffmpeg it can
[05:24] <bob2> ah
[05:24] <Rotund> and I think you need w32codecs
[05:24] <bob2> yeah
[05:25] <Rotund> ftp://cipherfunk.org/pub/packages/ubuntu/, warty, main
[05:25] <bob2> sounds like a bug in gstreamer, I think they use the gnome bugzilla now?
[05:25] <Xenguy> hello all - still struggling with pppoe on a new Ubu install...
[05:25] <Rotund> yeah.  I'll probably try to look into it a bit more
[05:25] <bob2> Xenguy: I thought you fixed it?
[05:25] <Rotund> find other things that would render via ffmpeg and see how they do
[05:25] <Xenguy> bob2: no, that was someone else; my problem remains...
[05:26] <bob2> Xenguy: you removed them both from /etc/network/interfaces and pon still didn't work?
[05:27] <Xenguy> bob2: I am not sure I actually have a 'pppoe' package installed :-/  pppoeconfig *is* installed tho -- my question: do others here have any "*pppoe*" packages installed (e.g. rp-pppoe, or pppoe, or ... ?)  ?
[05:27] <Xenguy> what does Ubu use for pppoe by default - Roaring Penguins software?
[05:28] <Drago> anyone wouldn't know about building the zc030x webcamera driver from the cvs under ubuntu would they?
[05:28] <bob2> Xenguy: yes
[05:28] <bob2> Xenguy: install it then
[05:28] <Xenguy> bob2: what is the package name for that then?
[05:28] <bob2> pppoe
[05:29] <bob2> or maybe it uses the kernel one now
[05:29] <Xenguy> bob2: hrm, I believe I tried to install that, but I got an error of some kind -- I will try again to make sure
[05:29] <bob2> ok
[05:30] <punkass> any one running the quake2 package?
[05:30] <RobLinux> bob2: how much gb should i have for ubuntu via vmware?
[05:30] <bob2> RobLinux: to install you need 1.8GB of disk or so
[05:30] <Xenguy> RobLinux: you need 1.8-2Gb for just Ubu AFAIK
[05:30] <bob2> go 2GB to be safe
[05:30] <Xenguy> heh
[05:31] <Xenguy> biab then
[05:31] <RobLinux> default is 4, i put 6 just incase
[05:35] <noneus> hey guys
[05:35] <noneus> i have a problem with mldonkey
[05:35] <noneus> when i change allowed_ips mldonkey sets this var to its default after every start
[05:43] <tom_> how can i see the log of exactly what appeared on the screen during bootup
[05:44] <tseng> the kernel log can been seen by running dmesg
[05:44] <tom_> tseng ty does that show exactly all the init boot messages as shown on the screen?
[05:45] <crimsun> tom_: change BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=No to BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes in /etc/default/bootlogd
[05:45] <tom_> crimsun ty
[05:47] <Se7h> man
[05:47] <Se7h> im stillwith this wierdo problem
[05:48] <tom_> any short solutions to the Device 'i823650' does not have a release() function, it is broken and must be fixed
[05:50] <Rene_S> yeah uninstall pcmcia-cs
[05:50] <hypa7ia> pcmcia_cs, no?
[05:50] <bob2> no package in debian or ubuntu has _ in the name
[05:53] <tom_> so that is loaded by default by ubuntu even though i have no pcmcia on my desktop pc?
[05:54] <bob2> it shouldn'e
[05:54] <bob2> but sometimes it can't tell
[05:54] <tom_> bob2 ok ty guys
[05:54] <bob2> like on my ibook
[05:55] <Rene_S> or something to that effect
[05:55] <Rene_S> I dont memorize 10 000 package names
[05:55] <tom_> ok thats removed
[05:56] <Rene_S> try rebooting
[05:56] <Rene_S> if i am wrong you can sue me
[05:56] <tom_> rene_s yep will just do that bootlog change and give it a run
[05:58] <Xenguy> bob2: here's what I found out about 'pppoe' package...
[05:58] <Xenguy> bob2: synaptic sees only 'pppoeconf' -- no 'pppoe'...
[05:58] <Se7h> ./setup.sh: line 88: /home/seth/.setup21082: Permission denied
[05:58] <Se7h> The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1
[05:58] <Se7h> can anyone help on this ?
[05:59] <Xenguy> bob2: apt-cache search pppoe  <- lists only pppeoconf...
[05:59] <bob2> well, it's in universe
[05:59] <bob2> Se7h: what are you trying to do?
[05:59] <Se7h> in this case
[05:59] <Se7h> install a game
[05:59] <Se7h> but it gives me that
[06:00] <Se7h> each time i try to run a .run file
[06:00] <bob2> .run is meaningless
[06:00] <thoreauputic> Xenguy: that would be because pppoe is pulled in by pppoeconf (apt-cache depends pppoeconf)
[06:00] <bob2> tho in this case it seems to be a shell script
[06:00] <bob2> Se7h: is /home mounte noexec or user?
[06:01] <Xenguy> bob2: dpkg -l *pppoe*  <- gives 'pppoe' [ un   pppoe   <none>   (no desc. avail.)]  and pppoeconf [ ii   pppoeconf   1.0.8ubuntu2  <description>] 
[06:01] <bob2> Xenguy: ok...
[06:01] <thoreauputic> *sigh*
[06:01] <Se7h> le' me check
[06:01] <bob2> thoreauputic: if apt-cache search doesn't see it, it can't be pulled in as a dependency
[06:01] <noneus> hi there. my mldonkey stinks. i've set allowed_ips too the right value. but i still cannot connect from my laptop.
[06:01] <Xenguy> bob2: also I see some reference to rp-pppoe.so on boot up (something about Roaring Penguin's stuff)...
[06:02] <Se7h> dam
[06:02] <thoreauputic> bob2: well it's in apt-cache depends pppoeconf
[06:02] <Se7h> i cant remember the file
[06:02] <Rene_S> If your donkey stinks can i suggest some Dove, it smells nice and has 1/4 moisterizing cream :)
[06:02] <seek187> does nautilus always take a year preparing to write a cd before it actualy writes the disk?
[06:02] <thoreauputic> bob2: however, I'm using sarge so I guess it could differ
[06:02] <Xenguy> thoreauputic: I'm trying to verify that I actually have pppoe installed
[06:03] <bob2> thoreauputic: yes
[06:03] <thoreauputic> Xenguy: what does `type pppoe`  say?
[06:03] <bob2> Xenguy: if "dpkg -l pppoe" doesn't list it, it's not installed
[06:03] <Xenguy> bob2: so I guess I'm left wondering if I need package 'pppoe', and if so, how I can get it?
[06:03] <bob2> Xenguy: if you need it, it's in universe, which (of course, haha) requires network access
[06:04] <Xenguy> thoreauputic: I'm in debian now (for net connectivity); I can only check questions like that if I disconnect, then reboot into Ubu :-)
[06:04] <Xenguy> bob2: heh
[06:04] <Xenguy> catch-22
[06:04] <bob2> it only needs libc and ppp installed, tho
[06:04] <thoreauputic> Xenguy: ah - sorry I jumped in ignorantly - I'll stfu :)
[06:04] <Xenguy> bob2: should I re-install I wonder (why wasn't it installed to begin with)
[06:05] <Xenguy> thoreauputic: all input is appreciated actually :-)
[06:05] <bob2> Xenguy: well, since it wasn't installed by default, I suspect it's not neccessary, but I have no other idea
[06:05] <bob2> I've never setup dsl on a linux machine before, so I'm just guessing
[06:06] <Xenguy> bob2: does synaptic for example show you 'pppoe' as installed?
[06:06] <Xenguy> oh
[06:06] <bob2> I do not have it installed
[06:06] <Xenguy> Does anyone here who uses DSL/pppoe have package 'pppoe' show up in synaptic?
[06:07] <bob2> hrm, weirdly, it says it needs ppp or pppoe
[06:07] <bob2> what error do you get in your logs when you run "pon"?
[06:07] <Rene_S> noneus, If your donkey stinks try some Dove. it smells nice and has 1/4 Moisterizing creme  :)
[06:07] <hypa7ia> i have pppoeconf and pppoe
[06:08] <Xenguy> hypa7ia: this is warty then, and from a CD install ?
[06:08] <Xenguy> bob2: I'll check the logs next time I try 'pon' then
[06:08] <hypa7ia> yuppers Xenguy
[06:08] <hypa7ia> pppoeconf is in main, even
[06:09] <hypa7ia> have you tried the network setup tool?
[06:09] <Xenguy> OK, so I think there is something foobar'd with my install somehow :-/
[06:09] <Xenguy> hypa7ia: pppoeconf, yep (but if pppoe is not showing up, that explains why the config ain't working ;-)
[06:10] <hypa7ia> pppoe is in universe i think
[06:10] <Xenguy> damn, Ubu looks so promising -- I just want to get on the Net with it ;-)
[06:10] <hypa7ia> at least it doesn'thave the littleubu symbol next to it
[06:11] <Xenguy> hypa7ia: wha? If pppoe is in universe, does that mean it is not on the CD?  (But that would make no sense)
[06:11] <bob2> yes
[06:11] <Xenguy> Are there any 'universe' packages on the install CD then?
[06:11] <tom_> well that was a cleaner boot
[06:11] <bob2> if you look at the dependencies of pppoeconf, it says it needs a recent version of ppp or pppoe
[06:12] <bob2> Xenguy: no
[06:12] <AndyFitz> 400x300 gnome : http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/shot01.png  http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/shot02.png  http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/shot03.png
[06:12] <Rene_S> tom_, did that solve your issue ?
[06:12] <Xenguy> bob2: I am now officially confused
[06:12] <tom_> rene_s i no longer get one of the eroors yes ty but i still have some more
[06:12] <Xenguy> bob2: I don't understand - are you saying that pppoe is not on the install CD?
[06:13] <Rene_S> tom_,  yeah i get em too, mostly related to laptop stuff
[06:13] <tom_> crimsun i chnaged that setting for bootlog .... where do i look now for the messages that are displayed?
[06:13] <supos> Xenguy: ppp troubles?
[06:13] <Xenguy> supos: yes
[06:13] <bob2> Xenguy: yes, I'm almost certain of that
[06:13] <crimsun> tom_: /var/log/boot*
[06:13] <bob2> I'll check
[06:13] <Xenguy> bob2: tx
[06:14] <supos> hold on a sec, I saw something about that in a review
[06:14] <Rene_S> tom_,  when i get a new install i normally take out pcmcia, raid, evms, and mdadm
[06:14] <hypa7ia> oh, yup, ppp was there
[06:14] <Xenguy> supos: tx a lot
[06:14] <hypa7ia> is there.  in main.
[06:14] <Rene_S> tom_,  and ppp stuff because I am a cable user
[06:14] <tom_> i will learn rene but slowly lol
[06:14] <supos> Xenguy: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8407&page=4
[06:14] <Xenguy> supos: how is anyone connecting via pppoe if that package is not on the install CD - that makes no sense to me
[06:14] <tom_> i use adsl
[06:15] <Xenguy> tom_: do you use pppoe ?
[06:15] <Rene_S> then dont play with the ppp or ppoe stuff
[06:15] <supos> Xenguy: that is a review of the preview relaese, but the issues may remain
[06:15] <bob2> Xenguy: right, pppoe is not on the cd
[06:15] <supos> isn't pppconfig on the cd?
[06:15] <bob2> supos: it is
[06:16] <bob2> see, this makes me think you just need ppp
[06:16] <Xenguy> supos: yes
[06:16] <thoreauputic> supos: pppconfig is for dialup, I think - pppoeconf is a different matter
[06:16] <supos> Xenguy: and that won't do the trick?
[06:17] <supos> oh sorry then - I just assumed it was the same
[06:17] <tom_> crimsun no luck on that file .....
[06:17] <supos> Never mind me then :)
[06:17] <bob2> Xenguy: ok, just pppoeconf on a default system should work
[06:17] <bob2> ie without pppoe
[06:17] <Xenguy> supos: well so far I haven't been able to connect, but it could be another unknown issue -- I had thought maybe it was the fact that pppoe wasn't installed on my system
[06:17] <tom_> i just checked bootlogd again and the yes is ok
[06:17] <Xenguy> bob2: ahhh
[06:19] <Xenguy> bob2: so you have it on good authority that I don't need pppoe to get connected to the net via a default install, yes?
[06:20] <bob2> the pppoe package, yes
[06:20] <tom_> Xenguy i am on a router/modem so no i dont need pppoe on my pc as such
[06:20] <wasabi_> so where can I order a boxed copy of ubuntu? :)
[06:21] <hypa7ia> wasabi_: no boxes yet, but pressed cds at http://shipit.ubuntulinux.com
[06:21] <wasabi_> yeah already got some.
[06:21] <Xenguy> wasabi_: Yer too late for the free ones AFAIK, but perhaps there are commercial alternatives?
[06:22] <wasabi_> Just, when I feel like it's worht it, I tend to put money down for it. ;)
[06:22] <hypa7ia> no, they're still shipping out the free ones
[06:22] <Witigonen> Hey all.  I have a pretty basic question about grub.
[06:22] <Xenguy> bob2: thanks for clearing up this issue - now I just have to figure out what the real problem is :-)
[06:22] <Witigonen> So, I've got an XP install on an IDE drive when my primary drive is SATA.  So, its (hd0,0).  What's my IDE drive, then?
[06:23] <Rene_S> Basic answers, Yes, No, Maybe
[06:23] <wasabi_> Witigonen, for grub, it should be hd1
[06:23] <wasabi_> grub is numbered consecutively
[06:23] <bob2> Witigonen: windows doesn't like booting off anything but the first disk
[06:23] <Witigonen> bob2, in Windows' view, it is the first disk since it doesnt' recognize the SATA drive without third-party drivers.
[06:23] <wasabi_> bob2, first disk on any given controller.
[06:23] <Xenguy> hypa7ia: shipping yes, but stopped taking orders for free delivery on the 11th or 12th (check the web site, maybe there is still time, but the deadline is like *now*)
[06:24] <wasabi_> well, somehow it works with sata.;)
[06:24] <bob2> Witigonen: hah
[06:24] <crimsun> tom_: see the bottom response here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=232569
[06:24] <bob2> wasabi_: hrm, ok
[06:24] <bob2> long time since I'vae had windows installed
[06:24] <wasabi_> bob2, yeah, im not 100% what the rules are anymore.
[06:24] <wasabi_> But somehow it will boot off a secondary Sata controller
[06:25] <neighborlee> just wondering have their been any updates in last two weeks or so ...synaptic isn't showing ( just ran mark all upgrades) anything to 'apply' so I wanted to verify...??
[06:25] <wasabi_> hit refresh in synaptic.
[06:26] <tom_> crimsun ty looks like it dioesn't work here the
[06:26] <tom_> *then
[06:26] <hypa7ia> oh, Xenguy, i stand corrected.  i ordered mine like a week ago :-)
[06:27] <tom_> crimsun just have to get a 6 foot high monitor ;-)
[06:27] <bob2> neighborlee: warty only gets updates for security fixes
[06:28] <neighborlee> bob2, oh ok
[06:29] <jwagler> Anyone know if you can install from the live cd?
[06:30] <gardion_> Hello, anyone know if you can boot of the live cd?
[06:31] <bob2> jwagler: no, you can't
[06:31] <bob2> gardion_: yes, that's kinda the point
[06:31] <neighborlee> sigh...okay this is weird..trying to run ( just installed latest firefox 1.0 ) firefox and its bringing up a 2x4 window saying: title="&mainWindow.title;"_________________________^ < ??? ;-))sigh
[06:31] <bob2> restart firefox
[06:31] <neighborlee> tried with no effect
[06:31] <neighborlee> only way it works is as root
[06:31] <neighborlee> which is kinda bad LOL
[06:31] <bob2> does it work for other users?
[06:32] <neighborlee> not sure other than root
[06:32] <bob2> are you sure you restarted it completely?
[06:32] <Rene_S> Firefox 1.0 works fine for me
[06:32] <neighborlee> no other users here than root atm anyway
[06:32] <neighborlee> 7yes
[06:32] <jwagler> So then the live cd is only meant as a demo
[06:32] <bob2> jwagler: yes
[06:32] <neighborlee> bob2, its been doing it but I thought installing the latest firefox would have fixed it
[06:33] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: did you install it as root? you don't need to you know ( I assume you used the mozilla.org installer)
[06:33] <dstahan> Are the nvidia drivers easy to install for ubuntu?
[06:33] <tom_> i will try rebooting and see if i can catcha a glimpse of what its objecting to
[06:33] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, I hope I didn't LOL...yeah I used the installer
[06:34] <mbb> just noticed my laptop (hoary), been sitting unused for a couple of hours - hard drive activity every few seconds. What would that be?
[06:35] <bob2> mbb: disk syncing
[06:35] <bob2> neighborlee: you installed it as root?
[06:35] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, to be safe i'll reinstall
[06:35] <neighborlee> bob2, if I did it certainly was not on purpose :(
[06:35] <bob2> reinstall firefox, right?
[06:35] <neighborlee> yes
[06:35] <Rene_S> Hmmm my wife hasnt stopped by any of your houses has she ?
[06:35] <wasabi_> I seem to be unable to get libpng12-dev installed. It seems to want to downgrade libpng12-0.
[06:36] <thoreauputic> Rene_S: yeah she's right here and says hi ;)
[06:36] <KingShawn> i think im bout to check out ubuntu guys
[06:36] <neighborlee> KingShawn, kewl ;-=)
[06:36] <KingShawn> it better then redhat?
[06:36] <KingShawn> ;P
[06:36] <Rene_S> thoreauputic, keep her, she's fired
[06:37] <neighborlee> KingShawn, heh well..IMNSHO..'yes'
[06:37] <thoreauputic> Rene_S: heheh
[06:37] <KingShawn> whats that mean?
[06:37] <mbb> bob2: thanks. is there a way to stop that, other than hibernate/suspend (which doesn't work well on this old machine)?
[06:37] <neighborlee> KingShawn, I could give you a raft of reasons why but that would be crude LOL ( PM me if you want some)
[06:37] <KingShawn> i want some reasons
[06:37] <KingShawn> im curious before i install
[06:37] <bitserf> interesting...xorg with drop shadows is slower on my radeon 9600xt than it is with the onboard i810 at work :)
[06:38] <neighborlee> KingShawn, well one I dont feel bad giving you is I never found it completely stable...
[06:38] <mbb> bob2: and, if it's not too deep a subject, what is actually being done by disk syncing?
[06:38] <KingShawn> ya its not stable already
[06:38] <neighborlee> KingShawn, which to no surprise really as its a testbed of sorts for RHEE
[06:38] <KingShawn> only been using it for 1 day
[06:38] <KingShawn> Redhat*
[06:38] <KingShawn> i mean its stable to an extent
[06:38] <Gmail> neighborlee: delete your profile
[06:38] <Gmail> neighborlee: if you want to back up your password i'll tell ya which files they are
[06:39] <KingShawn> but as for windows crashing etc
[06:39] <Gmail> neighborlee: delete your profile
[06:39] <Gmail> neighborlee: if you want to back up your password i'll tell ya which files they are
[06:39] <Gmail> am i online??
[06:39] <neighborlee> KingShawn, and I really dont much like 'yum
[06:39] <bob2> mbb: hdparm -S20 /dev/hda (or whatever)
[06:39] <bob2> Gmail: duh
[06:39] <Gmail> neighborlee: delete your profile
[06:39] <Gmail> neighborlee: if you want to back up your password i'll tell ya which files they are
[06:39] <bob2> Gmail: stop it
[06:39] <Gmail> sorry if flooded the same message a few times
[06:39] <thoreauputic> Gmail: that's 3 times...
[06:39] <Gmail> bob2: sorry my connnection stuffed up
[06:40] <Gmail> and i resent it not sure if it will send
[06:40] <bob2> mbb: when programs write data out, the kernel doesn't actually write it to disk straight away, it just stores it in memory...I meant to say flushing, which is when the kernel writes out all those stored bits so they're actually on the disk
[06:40] <neighborlee> Gmail, i've tried that ( profile erasure) but it doesn't seem to matter....
[06:40] <Rene_S> Wanted : New Wife, must know how to tell time ....
[06:41] <neighborlee> bob2, k I just reinstalled as regular user and still it does that ....shrug dunno ...is anyone else seeing this ? ;(
[06:41] <Gmail> neighborlee: i had that same error when i upgraded firefox and they told me to delete my whole .mozilla folder and it helped
[06:41] <daculas> anyone tried install ubuntu from the harddisk here?
[06:41] <mbb> bob2: thanks2. (man hdparm coming up...) This happens even tho the machine has not done anything for a couple of hours, eh? What would be an example of what it needs to write?
[06:42] <bob2> mbb: I'm not sure
[06:42] <daculas> I want to ask some question about loop device, help?
[06:42] <bob2> just ask
[06:42] <bob2> mbb: the -S option controls how often it gets written out
[06:42] <bob2> iirc
[06:43] <neighborlee> Gmail, hmm lemme try that then
[06:43] <daculas> ok, first I boot from grub using vmlinz and initrd extracted from the iso
[06:43] <Gmail> oh crap am i still online?
[06:44] <bob2> Gmail: stop it
[06:44] <bob2> are you capable of not being annoying?
[06:44] <daculas> goes to the mini shell
[06:44] <Xenguy> hypa7ia: I ordered 10 just under the deadline wire -- wonder if they'll arrive before Xmas ? :-)
[06:44] <Gmail> bob2: i am having mager connections problems huge lag...
[06:44] <neighborlee> Gmail, whew ...thx that did the trick..whoda thunk poor .mozilla was getting in the way LOL
[06:44] <Gmail> neighborlee: np
[06:44] <neighborlee> Gmail, makes no sense as firefox should be using its OWN prefs file but hey..main thing is its working ;-)))heh
[06:45] <daculas> mount the partition where iso located. but when I tried to mount iso file with mount -o loop command. ERROR appear!
[06:45] <bob2> daculas: sudo modprobe loop
[06:46] <daculas> mount : could not find any device /dev/loop
[06:46] <daculas> so that modprobe will install the loop device for me, right?
[06:47] <bob2> it will load the module, and then udev will create the device nodes
[06:48] <daculas> maybe that's why I can not find loop device, it wasn't be created. I just trid to create by myself, sure failed.
[06:48] <bob2> yes, you need to load the module
[06:48] <daculas> I will test it, thanks, bob!
[06:49] <noneus> wow mldonkey remote adiminstration really rocks
[06:49] <stuNNed> any ideas why java plugin takes so long to load?
[06:49] <crimsun> stuNNed: java 1.4?
[06:49] <desp> hello
[06:49] <stuNNed> crimsun, yes
[06:49] <Gmail> hmm when will real player upgrade to version 10 it still on version 8 and that 3 years old
[06:49] <crimsun> stuNNed: java 1.5 loads _much_ faster
[06:49] <noneus> i have 1.5 and ni problems.
[06:50] <desp> can someone tell my why the application icons in the workspace switcher disappear when I'm using certain themes?
[06:50] <stuNNed> crimsun, noneus: how can i get 1.5 is there a .deb somewhere?
[06:50] <crimsun> stuNNed: not yet.
[06:50] <stuNNed> crimsun, noneus: is this blackdown or sun?
[06:50] <crimsun> Sun.
[06:50] <noneus> desp, because the theme don't have these specific app-icons
[06:50] <crimsun> IBM's port of 1.5 will be out next year.
[06:50] <stuNNed> crimsun, did you install just the jre?
[06:50] <noneus> stuNNed, sun
[06:51] <stuNNed> noneus, ok thanks
[06:51] <desp> noneus: ahh. thanks
[06:51] <crimsun> stuNNed: I use IBM's 1.4.2
[06:51] <noneus> crimsun, hmm i like ibm. are they good at java?
[06:51] <crimsun> stuNNed: (jdk, because I do globus development)
[06:51] <Rene_S> Dunno but Maxwell House is ok at it :)
[06:51] <desp> can someone point me to a good, concise web resource on developing my own theme for Ubuntu's whatever (Gnome 2.8?)
[06:52] <crimsun> noneus: the IBM port runs on more platforms and has jvm tuning in addition to security extensions
[06:52] <stuNNed> crimsun, ah ok then, i'll give it a try, does IBM have a standard jre with plugin?
[06:52] <crimsun> stuNNed: yes
[06:52] <agsansoo> noneus
[06:52] <desp> I've just finished making my own color scheme for vim, and I love it
[06:52] <noneus> agsansoo, ???
[06:52] <stuNNed> crimsun, thanks, i'll try that, screwed up and tried to upgrade firefox/java on my own now java takes real long time to load
[06:53] <noneus> crimsun, thanks. i'll try it when i'm bored by sun's.
[06:53] <neighborlee> bob2, wouldn't there have been upgrades for someone going from warty preview though to warty-release ? ( or were there any significant fixes/changes)
[06:53] <crimsun> noneus: for most users, 1.5 is the way to go
[06:53] <crimsun> granted if you're ppc, it's moot
[06:54] <agsansoo> noneus, oops
[06:55] <noneus> crimsun, especially for me. i use it for a mldonkey gui and as a browser plugin. sun should be good enough
[06:55] <DeviantDog> is there any service control for ubuntu?
[06:55] <crimsun> DeviantDog: man update-rc.d
[06:55] <crimsun> DeviantDog: to control services, man invoke-rc.d
[06:56] <DeviantDog> does anyone know if ppc version supports airport extreme?
[06:57] <bob2> DeviantDog: no linux system supprted that
[06:57] <bob2> neighborlee: yes, mainly bug fixes, tho
[06:57] <stuNNed> crimsun, can't seem to find an ibm jre package, would you happen to have a url?
[06:57] <DeviantDog> how bout pcmcia linksys card?
[06:58] <brdweb> anybody having problems with hotplug after switching to hoary?
[06:58] <neighborlee> bob2, oh ok..which I can get I take it in the patch repository..or should I be upgrading via a direct download of the new release I wonder...
[06:59] <crimsun> stuNNed: https://www6.software.ibm.com/dl/lxdk/lxdk-p
[06:59] <crimsun> stuNNed: you have to create a login.
[06:59] <DeviantDog> ok new to this versioning system of ubuntu, hoary is? next version?
[06:59] <crimsun> DeviantDog: yes.
[06:59] <stuNNed> crimsun, much appreciated
[06:59] <DeviantDog> not available yet?
[07:00] <crimsun> it's being tested right now.
[07:00] <bob2> neighborlee: I don't know what you mean
[07:00] <crimsun> you can help test it.
[07:00] <DeviantDog> how bout ppc version?
[07:00] <neighborlee> bob2, well I mean for the 'fixex' you mentioned
[07:00] <neighborlee> fixes < grrr
[07:01] <crimsun> DeviantDog: what about it?
[07:01] <neighborlee> sounds like m$ is in denail LOL >>> ie: firefox not threat to IE...hahahah
[07:01] <DeviantDog> where to find info on hoary on ppc?
[07:01] <HrdwrBoB> hahaha
[07:01] <neighborlee> denial sorry ( damn fingers)
[07:02] <crimsun> DeviantDog: same as hoary on i386 ;-)
[07:02] <brdweb> DeviantDog: if you want to test, just replace all instances of 'warty' with 'hoary' in your /etc/apt/sources.list file and then to apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:03] <DeviantDog> I see ok thanks
[07:03] <bob2> neighborlee: between the preview and release, it was mainly only buxfixes that were uploaded
[07:06] <neighborlee> bob2, ok..which I get where though..;-)
[07:07] <DigDug> So I installed Ubuntu... is it ok to grab packages from Debian sarge if they aren't in ubuntu?
[07:07] <DigDug> I mean, is it safe as far as stability and whatnot
[07:07] <neighborlee> doubtful anyway would install
[07:07] <aokaze> Hello everyone
[07:07] <neighborlee> hi
[07:07] <crimsun> DigDug: sure, but it'd be "better" to use packages from universe or multiverse.
[07:07] <noneus> i installed torcs debian packages successfully
[07:07] <crimsun> DigDug: but they're all unsupported
[07:08] <crimsun> when things break, you keep all the pieces.
[07:08] <neighborlee> noneus, ;-)
[07:08] <DigDug> universe or multiverse??
[07:08] <brakrl> hey all, just installed ubuntu 8oP
[07:08] <HrdwrBoB> DigDug: I would recommend *not* using deb packages
[07:08] <neighborlee> noneus, is there a editor yet for linux for torcs ? ( or i'm thinking of wrong racing game )
[07:08] <neighborlee> brakrl, kewl ;-)
[07:08] <brakrl> how do i exit to cli mode
[07:08] <DigDug> HrdwarBob: yeah? I should plan on compiling stuff that isn't in Ubuntu?
[07:09] <brakrl> i tried telinit 3, killall -9 gdm, killall -9 X
[07:09] <aokaze> I have ordered the free Ubuntu CDs and I am waiting for them to come.  Anyone can tell me how different it is from Debian Sarge?
[07:09] <noneus> neighborlee, no idea. i just play the game.
[07:09] <crimsun> brakrl: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[07:09] <neighborlee> brakrl, Ctrl-Alt F1 will also do it
[07:09] <HrdwrBoB> DigDug: no, universe is a lot of packages :)
[07:09] <neighborlee> noneus, oh ok no biggir
[07:09] <neighborlee> ie
[07:09] <DigDug> aokaze: seems to be the same installer as sarge but it doesn't ask as many questions.
[07:09] <brakrl> crimsun: thanks
[07:09] <noneus> mainly in university if my professor talks shit again.
[07:09] <brakrl> neighborlee: thanks
[07:09] <neighborlee> np
[07:09] <stuNNed> crimsun, 1.42 is latest IBM java?
[07:09] <DigDug> HwdwrBob: hehe
[07:10] <crimsun> stuNNed: yes.
[07:10] <neighborlee> DigDug, yup..much easier
[07:10] <crimsun> stuNNed: for certain arches
[07:10] <brakrl> thanks again, peace
[07:10] <aokaze> It will run the same packages as Sarge right?
[07:10] <HrdwrBoB> DigDug: are you digdug of qdb fame
[07:10] <stuNNed> crimsun, do you have j2se-common installed in ubuntu as well is ibm's java?
[07:11] <DigDug> aokazae: seems to. I installed the PAN newsreader out of sarge and it pulled its dependancies from ubuntu
[07:11] <DigDug> Nrdwr: no.
[07:11] <crimsun> stuNNed: I do not.
[07:11] <HrdwrBoB> ah ok
[07:11] <HrdwrBoB> cool
[07:11] <stuNNed> crimsun, ok, got it
[07:12] <DigDug> Right now I am trying to figure out why I don't just run Debian. ;-)
[07:12] <aokaze> I currently have Sarge installed here so I am just wondering if there is anything I should know before switching
[07:12] <DeviantDog> huh?
[07:12] <neighborlee> we're #13 at distrowatch ;-00
[07:12] <crimsun> DigDug: are you looking for reasons to run Ubuntu (Warty|Hoary) instead of Debian Sarge?
[07:13] <deFrysk> pan is in universe
[07:13] <DigDug> crimsun: well, i hadn't planned on asking so directly, but yeah, I guess.
[07:13] <aokaze> I am just wanting to know what to expect and how to transfer over if I decide to go over
[07:13] <erik> DigDug: I'm totally a ubuntu convert from debian ... not a gnome/desktoppy fan but it's a more stable sid :p
[07:13] <crimsun> DigDug: Ubuntu is focused on a streamlined GNOME 2.8+-based desktop distribution; its base is from Debian Sid.
[07:14] <neighborlee> aokaze, well for starters most things you'll be doing everyday just 'work' ..if that helps <G>
[07:14] <DigDug> aokaze: Transfer.. like move data? I keep 3 OS partitions on my computer and one data partition. That way I can play with all the distribtuions I want and have all my data in one place.
[07:14] <DigDug> crimsun: I'm used to XFCE4, myself.
[07:14] <cef_work> ubuntu has a smaller focus than debian.. it helps in all manner of ways
[07:14] <crimsun> DigDug: the menu structure for Ubuntu's GNOME is much more sane.
[07:14] <seek187> yeah it is!
[07:15] <neighborlee> yup ;-)indeed
[07:15] <aokaze> hmmm I dont use GNOME
[07:15] <erik> I like how ubuntu separates the ssh-server and ssh-client packages too.
[07:15] <erik> that was always a debian pet peeve
[07:15] <crimsun> DigDug: that's fine; I use Benny's xfce4.2beta2+cvs debs on a Ubuntu Hoary+Debian Sid/experimental mix.
[07:15] <erik> aokaze: don't have to
[07:15] <neighborlee> I think kde was to be added to universe but not sure when...?
[07:15] <rodney_> I am new to Linux and Ubuntu.
[07:15] <erik> it would have been *CRAZY COOL* if ubuntu had gone with runit as its init system
[07:15] <crimsun> rodney_: welcome.
[07:15] <neighborlee> rodney_, hi there ;-)
[07:15] <erik> but that would be too much to ask I guess :(
[07:15] <DigDug> crimsun: thats xfce4 from sid?
[07:15] <rodney_> Only used it for a few hours.
[07:15] <brdweb> one thing that bugs me is when package maintainers don't add menu entries.. happens quite often with ubuntu packages. No huge deal as I just add them myself but still.....
[07:16] <crimsun> DigDug: no, Sid only has 4.0.6
[07:16] <neighborlee> brdweb, yeah I agree with that..but hey I bet in time they will
[07:16] <DigDug> Ahh, crimsun do you have apt source list for that package?
[07:16] <aokaze> hmmm so Ubuntu is from Sid and not Sarge?
[07:16] <erik> aokaze: yes
[07:16] <DigDug> packages
[07:16] <crimsun> aokaze: it's based on a Sid snapshot
[07:16] <rodney_> It was a pain to figure out how to connect to my cable internet connection. Really hard. Besides that, everything is great!
[07:16] <crimsun> heavily stabilized/tweaked
[07:17] <aokaze> oh...  I was told it was Sarge from someone who was installing it before
[07:17] <cef_work> aokaze: sort of.. some packages are from sid, some from sarge.. depends how broken things are at the time of choice
[07:17] <neighborlee> rodney_, odd it should have detected it straight away ;(
[07:17] <crimsun> aokaze: well...packages migrate from Sid->Sarge, so...
[07:17] <neighborlee> rodney_, but kewl on the other fronts ;-)
[07:17] <stuNNed> crimsun, i don't know what's up, no matter what java plugin i use, it takes a really long time to load a java applet
[07:17] <crimsun> DigDug: careful, you can break stuff.
[07:17] <brakrl> thanks for the help all
[07:17] <aokaze> it will use Sarge packages fine then?
[07:18] <brakrl> does ubuntu solely use apt-get or does it have its own package manager?
[07:18] <cef_work> ie: if say there is a severe problem in sid with a particular package, then usually it's the sarge version that gets chosen, unless it's deemed important to fix the problem (because of other dependencies)
[07:18] <neighborlee> brakrl, apt-get/synaptic
[07:18] <deFrysk> very dissapointing
[07:18] <erik> brakrl: apt-get.  there are other frontends but it's all debian package management
[07:18] <brakrl> neighborlee: whats synaptic?
[07:18] <crimsun> DigDug: http://www.os-cillation.de/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=deb-news
[07:18] <Se7h> remind me
[07:18] <neighborlee> brakrl, just a front-end to apt-get ;-)
[07:18] <neighborlee> brakrl, nicely integrated ;-)
[07:18] <Se7h> what/where's the partitions file ?
[07:18] <brakrl> neighborlee: ah okay, im a total ubuntu/debian virgin
[07:19] <neighborlee> brakrl, np
[07:19] <mgoose> hello all
[07:19] <rodney_> While looking through the programs in Synaptic, I noticed something called pppoeconf so I ran it in the admin terminal and got it going.
[07:19] <mgoose> is there a quick way to login and reset my passwd
[07:19] <hypa7ia> evenin' mgoose
[07:19] <cef_work> aokaze: depends on the dependancies.. especially since sarge is a moving target still
[07:19] <brakrl> has anyone else tried fc3?
[07:19] <mgoose> being the idiot that i am i somehow set it during the install but cant login in gdm
[07:19] <mgoose> lol
[07:19] <DA-MAN> i tried fc3 and thought it was a piece of shit
[07:20] <neighborlee> brakrl, ;-) I think many of us have in search for that one distro <wink>...
[07:20] <deFrysk> brakrl, I did but went straight back to ubuntu
[07:20] <DA-MAN> slow, bloated and cluttered
[07:20] <aokaze> hmmm....  I think I might just experiment with it but I only have 5gb HD
[07:20] <crimsun> DA-MAN: no need to trash-talk other distros ;-)
[07:20] <deFrysk> DA-MAN, in a nutshell :)
[07:20] <DA-MAN> crimsun, not trash talking, just giving my opinion
[07:20] <mgoose> arch, try arch linux
[07:20] <mgoose> no extra bs installed
[07:21] <rodney_> can the file extractor on ubuntu extract .sit files?
[07:21] <cef_work> erm, no distro wars please.. we've chosen a distro for the channel..;
[07:21] <mgoose> agreed
[07:21] <DA-MAN> cef_work, it's not a distro war. it's an opinion
[07:21] <mgoose> which brings me back to my question, how do i reset the passwd
[07:22] <mgoose> any ideas plz?
[07:22] <DA-MAN> mgoose, single user mode
[07:22] <cef_work> DA-MAN: I could comment about opinions.. but lets just drop things here.. *grin*
[07:22] <Xenguy> bob2, greetings from the Net, via Ubuntu :-)
[07:22] <DA-MAN> cef_work, ok
[07:23] <rodney_> when is firefox 1.0 going to added to synaptic?
[07:23] <mgoose> never!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[07:23] <seek187> lol
[07:23] <mgoose> haha jk
[07:23] <seek187> I just downloaded mine and ran the installer
[07:23] <DA-MAN> lookslike it was reverted, who knows when
[07:23] <crimsun> rodney_: probably within the next couple days
[07:23] <rodney_> it installs cleanly seek197?
[07:23] <mgoose> its probably in experimental, no?
[07:23] <crimsun> rodney_: it just went into Sid yesterday
[07:23] <seek187> rodney_, yeah
[07:23] <brakrl> how do i get the libs for rhtyhmbox to play mp3's?
[07:24] <deFrysk> apt-get install gstreamer-plugins
[07:24] <rodney_> scuse me, im stupid, what's Sid?
[07:24] <deFrysk> to get them all
[07:24] <brakrl> deFrysk: thanks
[07:24] <Xenguy> rodney_, debian 'unstable'
[07:24] <mgoose> oh btw DA-MAN how do i login to single user mode?
[07:24] <crimsun> rodney_: Debian Sid. That's where the majority of Ubuntu packages are culled from (unless they're GNOME-related)
[07:24] <mgoose> or anybody, for that matter
[07:25] <Xenguy> bob2, it was a stupid 'username' mistake on my part - duh
[07:25] <rodney_> Since I'm new I'll play it safe and wait for Firefox 1.0 to appear on Synaptic.
[07:26] <deFrysk> rodney_, in warty ?
[07:26] <mgoose> be brave, man
[07:26] <Xenguy> rodney_, warty's default version works just fine AFAIK
[07:26] <mgoose> its fun
[07:26] <mgoose> lol
[07:26] <seek187> lol
[07:26] <neighborlee> heh
[07:26] <seek187> yeah it will come to hoary not warty... I think anyway
[07:26] <rodney_> Yeah deFrysk
[07:26] <deFrysk> hoary runs pretty good here
[07:26] <seek187> yup runs fine for me too
[07:26] <deFrysk> rodney_, it will not appear in warty
[07:27] <rodney_> Xenguy, warty's firefox displays some websites strangely then in 1.0.
[07:27] <crimsun> I like the stability of 0.9.3
[07:27] <brakrl> deFrysk: i tried gsteramer-plugins and it wasnt a package so i searched and found libgstreamer-plugins, but it says i have it, and i dont have mp3 support for rhythmbox
[07:27] <Gmail> warty is frozzen no update at all!!!
[07:27] <Se7h> i cant run .run files
[07:27] <Se7h> :|
[07:28] <Xenguy> rodney_, avoid such (stupid) web sites ;-)
[07:28] <Se7h> im stuck
[07:28] <crimsun> brakrl: it's a faq, but you need to enable universe and install gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:28] <deFrysk> brakrl,  not sure why it does not work
[07:28] <rodney_> Ok. Guess I'll be waiting until April 2005. lol
[07:28] <Gmail> hoary will be frozzen in 4?months
[07:28] <deFrysk> brakrl, what crimsun said
[07:28] <Se7h> brakrl use xine
[07:28] <Gmail> Se7h: gxine
[07:28] <brakrl> crimsun: how do i enable universe?
[07:29] <deFrysk> brakrl, add it to /etc/sources.list
[07:29] <Gmail> rodney_: hoary is already open
[07:29] <Se7h> ./setup.sh: line 88: /home/seth/.setup2349: Permission denied
[07:29] <Se7h> The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1
[07:29] <deFrysk> uncomment the line wich includer universe
[07:29] <Se7h> :(
[07:29] <crimsun> brakrl: select it in Synaptic, then update
[07:29] <deFrysk> or what crimsun  said
[07:29] <deFrysk> ;p
[07:29] <crimsun> brakrl: or edit /etc/apt/sources.list manually as deFrysk said. ;-)
[07:29] <deFrysk> :D
[07:30] <crimsun> (I'm a conffile guy; it's a Debian holdover)
[07:30] <brakrl> crimsun: thanks
[07:30] <crimsun> np
[07:31] <stuNNed> crimsun, are you using warty or hoary?  and firefox .9 or 1.0?
[07:31] <brakrl> crimsun: if i edit the /etc/apt.sources.list to have universe will it automatically search there?
[07:31] <crimsun> stuNNed: Hoary (kernel from Warty) mixed with Debian Sid+experimental. mozilla-firefox 1.0-2 from Sid.
[07:31] <deFrysk> hoary runst 1.0rc1
[07:31] <stuNNed> crimsun, eh, i dare not to go there :)
[07:32] <seek187> lol
[07:32] <rodney_> I need to make sure I'm using a stable release because my Powerbook with Ubuntu is gonna be a 'mission critical' computer. i.e. I need to make sure my sermons don't go missing.
[07:32] <stuNNed> crimsun, where'd you get that mozilla-firefox from sid? ;)
[07:32] <crimsun> rodney_: Warty is perfect
[07:32] <crimsun> stuNNed: it's in Sid's pool
[07:32] <stuNNed> crimsun, i can get the .deb on the web?
[07:32] <deFrysk> should be in hoary soon then
[07:33] <crimsun> stuNNed: sure, but I'd wait a couple days. It'll probably be in Hoary within days.
[07:33] <crimsun> Hoary syncs with Sid very often.
[07:33] <stuNNed> crimsun, but...Hoary...isn't that unstable?
[07:33] <deFrysk> unstable as in untested
[07:33] <crimsun> it's stable in my experience.
[07:33] <deFrysk> not as in unusable
[07:34] <Xenguy> ahhh, irssi  :-)
[07:34] <wm_eddie> I must get firefox 1.0
[07:34] <deFrysk> why must ?
[07:34] <wm_eddie> because 0.9 is broken!
[07:34] <deFrysk> where ?
[07:34] <crimsun> wm_eddie: you're still using 0.9?
[07:34] <Xenguy> wm_eddie: define broken
[07:34] <crimsun> 0.9.3 seems "ok" here.
[07:35] <wm_eddie> crimsun: http://wm-eddie.info/~wm_eddie/stilldisabled.png
[07:35] <stuNNed> crimsun, how did you hold back and keep Warty kernel?
[07:35] <wm_eddie> That happens to me all the time and it's really pissing me off.
[07:35] <wm_eddie> the OK button is always disabled.
[07:36] <crimsun> stuNNed: I use apt-pinning to keep the linux-* (well, kernel-related) packages pinned to warty-security
[07:37] <crimsun> my configuration is complicated, because I pin between warty-security, hoary, sid, and experimental
[07:37] <KingShawn> im diggin it
[07:37] <Gmail> why am i banned from #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:37] <KingShawn> i liked it before i ever even saw the interface
[07:38] <deFrysk> Gmail, ask there
[07:38] <rodney_> On my powerbook I've lost the ability to 'right click.' In OS X I just had to hold the command button. Now that doesn't work.
[07:38] <thoreauputic> Gmail: heh - that's quite an achievement
[07:38] <wm_eddie> Actually I think maybe it's a problem with the real player plug in now that I think about it.
[07:38] <Gmail> deFrysk: i am banned from there?
[07:38] <deFrysk> Gmail, no clue
[07:38] <KingShawn> aww dood
[07:38] <KingShawn> Ubunut is awesome
[07:38] <KingShawn> ubuntu
[07:38] <crimsun> Gmail: were you flooding in privmsg?
[07:38] <Gmail> is bob2 here?
[07:39] <deFrysk> Ubunut , lol
[07:39] <crimsun> Gmail: or otherwise being obnoxious?
[07:39] <KingShawn> im liking this better then any distro
[07:39] <thoreauputic> Gmail: /whois bob2
[07:39] <Gmail> crimsun: one guy in #freenode i pm and figlet looped it self hence flooding him
[07:39] <seek187> Gmail, you're the only one on the ban list there lol
[07:40] <rodney_> Ever notice how on the Ubuntu website the login screen has pretty people, but on the os itself the login screen is plain?
[07:40] <seek187> rodney_, you can change it
[07:40] <crimsun> rodney_: yes. The splash screen was reverted/changed at the last moment.
[07:40] <seek187> its included
[07:40] <Gmail> rodney_: NOOOO DON'T GIVE THEM IDEA OF PUTTING THE GAY PEOPLE ON THE DISTRO IT SELF NOOOOOOOOOOOO
[07:40] <neighborlee> so...guys where again do I get the fixes ?
[07:40] <Gmail> sorry for caps
[07:40] <seek187> lol
[07:40] <deFrysk> gay ?
[07:41] <deFrysk> who?
[07:41] <Gmail> the happy people
[07:41] <thoreauputic> Gmail: get over your homophobia
[07:41] <deFrysk> :D
[07:41] <crimsun> all right, let's kill this discussion about the older splash right now, thanks :-)
[07:41] <neighborlee> yeah its like so old school
[07:41] <rodney_> where can I put the older splash screen back?
[07:42] <rodney_> haha
[07:42] <KingShawn> man
[07:42] <KingShawn> this is nice
[07:42] <KingShawn> as heck
[07:42] <crimsun> rodney_: HumanCircle GDM theme, I believe?
[07:42] <deFrysk> gdmsetup
[07:42] <seek187> rodney_, Computer > System Config > Logon Screen Setup
[07:43] <deFrysk> and what seek187 said
[07:43] <stuNNed> crimsun, ok so far IBM's java is pretty clean, fast, and seems stable (so far) :D
[07:43] <crimsun> stuNNed: indeed.
[07:43] <erik> is there any JRE/JDK in ubuntu universe/multiverse/main?
[07:44] <deFrysk> nope
[07:44] <erik> tux.org work?
[07:44] <rodney_> That's the trick seek187. Thanks.
[07:44] <deFrysk> flashplugin-nonfree is there though
[07:44] <erik> neat
[07:44] <crimsun> erik: yes. The ones from Sun and IBM work, too.
[07:44] <brakrl> does anyone know how i can update a specific package through apt-get
[07:44] <erik> crimsun: cool
[07:44] <seek187> erik, might want to read this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[07:45] <seek187> robertj, n/p
[07:45] <seek187> er rodney
[07:45] <seek187> IBMs java works better than suns?
[07:46] <rodney_> what can we use for p2p on this thing?
[07:47] <mercurus> xmule or amule ... both work
[07:48] <erik> thanks seek187
[07:48] <seek187> np
[07:49] <Xenguy>  /q
[07:49] <rodney_> i see xmule or amule is not in synaptic. looks like i get to 'try' my first linux program install
[07:50] <hypa7ia> rodney_: they're in universe
[07:50] <hypa7ia> both of em
[07:50] <hypa7ia> :-)
[07:50] <tuxakka> I wonder what cause ubuntu gnome-2.8 to display large X in the middle? It ain't mouse cursor cause it is arrow and moves correctly, this X stays still, looks bit similar than in old twm where mouse cursor was X
[07:51] <rodney_> I'm sorry for being such a dumb ass and asking all these questions. I'm new.
[07:51] <rodney_> how do i access 'universe
[07:51] <crimsun> rodney_: there's no need to apologize.
[07:51] <seek187> rodney_, in synaptic go to Settings > Repositories and check universe then Reload button
[07:52] <hypa7ia> they're the greyed out entried in synaptics
[07:52] <hypa7ia> and don't worry rodney_, i only learned that last week :-)
[07:52] <seek187> me to :P
[07:52] <JDahl> speaking of universe: whoever moved xemacs there should be punished - badly
[07:53] <crimsun> tuxakka: are you able to switch to a console to more the X server output?
[07:53] <rodney_> got it. thanks!
[07:53] <tuxakka> crimsun yes what should I check?
[07:54] <JIMC> hi i have installed ubuntu in a software raid is it possible to boot the system any suggestions?
[07:54] <crimsun> tuxakka: where does the logfile end?
[07:54] <neighborlee> crimsun, I'm feeling rather dumbbutt atm myself LOL..where do I get 'fixes' for ubuntu if not through synaptic ?
[07:54] <Gmail> JDahl: universe means its from debian sid
[07:54] <tuxakka> crimsun which log, x log?
[07:54] <JDahl> Gmail, doesnt it also mean that ubuntu wont support it?
[07:55] <mdz> tuxakka: regarding the "large X", the answer is in the FAQ
[07:55] <tuxakka> mdz thanks
[07:56] <crimsun> mdz: ah, thanks.
[07:56] <crimsun> neighborlee: you can get them through Synaptic.
[07:56] <Gmail> JDahl: it means if there is a problem we don't support but debian does
[07:57] <bob2> Gmail: ?
[07:57] <stuNNed> so to upgrade to Hoary just change names 'warty' in sources.list to 'horay' ?
[07:58] <deFrysk> stuNNed, yup
[07:58] <deFrysk> stuNNed, but i would keep the warty lines in also
[07:58] <Gmail> bob2: why i am banned from #ubuntu-offtopic?
[07:58] <stuNNed> deFrysk, and watch the breakage in real action? ;)
[07:58] <deFrysk> stuNNed, :D
[07:58] <stuNNed> real time even :|
[07:58] <neighborlee> crimsun, well
[07:58] <mdz> stuNNed: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog has instructions
[07:59] <Gmail> deFrysk: why leave them edited out?
[07:59] <neighborlee> crimsun, i tried but mark upgrades doesn't seem to be pulling anything in..that or i have themall..which I doubt but...
[07:59] <thoreauputic> stuNNed: if you *really* put 'horay', you'd break it before you started ;)
[07:59] <mdz> there are a couple of additional steps at this time
[07:59] <stuNNed> mdz, got it, muchos gracias
[07:59] <stuNNed> thoreauputic, ;)
[07:59] <thoreauputic> stuNNed: :)
[07:59] <deFrysk> Gmail, I kept the warty lines in not commented out
[07:59] <neighborlee> crimsun, i've been out of linux for a week or two and figured surely there were updates i'd missed but maybe NOT
[08:00] <Gmail> deFrysk: did you also pin hoary? or you might have some problems
[08:00] <crimsun> neighborlee: updates to Warty or Hoary?
[08:00] <deFrysk> Gmail, no probs whatsoever
[08:00] <neighborlee> crimsun, warty
[08:01] <crimsun> neighborlee: Warty doesn't receive updates, only warty-security and hoary do presently.
[08:01] <seek187> where the heck do you download IBMs javavm at anyway I cant find it
[08:01] <neighborlee> crimsun, hmm odd...whats the reasoning behind that
[08:02] <crimsun> neighborlee: it's stable. The only updates are security fixes.
[08:02] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: stable= not changing
[08:02] <neighborlee> crimsun, hmmm well ..LOL I should have known it was that simple...
[08:02] <neighborlee> sigh
[08:03] <crimsun> seek187: https://www6.software.ibm.com/dl/lxdk/lxdk-p
[08:04] <seek187> thanks
[08:04] <rodney_> well a mule sucks! it always crashes on me
[08:04] <acecase-win> what should i add to /etc/apt/sources.list to get new packages then universe?
[08:04] <seek187> rodney_, I know I just tried installing both of them and they both crashed on me :/
[08:04] <Gmail> deFrysk: do you know what pin is??? please edit out warty
[08:04] <deFrysk> Gmail, ?
[08:05] <rodney_> seek187, guess that's why ubuntu didn't include them on the official downloads
[08:05] <stuNNed> bash:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales <-do i run this after hoary upgrade or before?
[08:06] <Gmail> deFrysk: is warty there still is xfree in haory there is only xorg now you will couse problem if you don't know what you are doing but you have another option and that is to pin hoary
[08:06] <deFrysk> stuNNed, after ,
[08:06] <stuNNed> deFrysk, thanks
[08:06] <deFrysk> also run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:06] <deFrysk> to set xorg up
[08:06] <deFrysk> Gmail, ;)
[08:07] <rodney_> Well I have been using Ubuntu for about 5 hours now and I have to say it's really cool.
[08:08] <stuNNed> deFrysk, crimsun, thoreauputic: here goes, upgrading to hoary!
[08:08] <deFrysk> stuNNed, good-luck
[08:08] <stuNNed> deFrysk, i see xorg is held back, well guess with install that later :)
[08:08] <deFrysk> stuNNed, use dist-upgrade
[08:09] <stuNNed> deFrysk, yep :)
[08:09] <punkass> dist-upgrade didnt work for me with xorg...after that i had to do a apt-get install xserver-xorg
[08:09] <punkass> that removed xfree and put in xorg
[08:09] <bob2> punkass: yes, because you removed ubuntu-desktop
[08:10] <deFrysk> punkass, nut sure if it is still like that with the 3rd update of xorg
[08:10] <punkass> yes correct
[08:10] <deFrysk> oic
[08:10] <punkass> when i changed to totem-xine it removed it
[08:10] <deFrysk> punkass, yup , me too
[08:11] <stuNNed> bob2, is there a way to have totem-xine and not have evolution but have ubuntu-desktop? ;)
[08:11] <KingShawn> can anyone help me with ubuntu?
[08:11] <bob2> if you want a custom system, you get a custom system
[08:12] <stuNNed> bob2, so a custom system is w/out ubuntu-desktop?
[08:12] <bur[n] er> but evolution is so cool
[08:12] <Xenguy> bob2: did I remember to thank you for all your help?  :-)
[08:12] <bob2> stuNNed: if you remove it, you're saying "I don't want the defaults anymore and I know what that means"
[08:13] <Xenguy> KingShawn: that is the purpose of this channel
[08:13] <bob2> Xenguy: heh, cool
[08:13] <Xenguy> bob2: finally - joy :-)
[08:15] <JDahl> just curious... roughly how many people were involved in making Warty?
[08:15] <Xenguy> JDahl: 42
[08:15] <Xenguy> ;-)
[08:16] <Xenguy> j/k - I don't actually know
[08:16] <punkass> 42...hehe
[08:16] <KingShawn> ok
[08:16] <KingShawn> well it seems
[08:16] <KingShawn> i can sudo to root
[08:16] <KingShawn> but if i try to acces synaptic
[08:16] <KingShawn> it wont let me
[08:16] <bob2> KingShawn: please try to put a complete sentence on one line
[08:16] <KingShawn> like the pword is different or soemthing
[08:16] <KingShawn> ?
[08:16] <bob2> if you run synaptic from the menu, it will ask for your user password
[08:17] <punkass> what happens if you try: sudo synaptic
[08:17] <Xenguy> KingShawn: there should be only one password AFAIK
[08:17] <Xenguy> KingShawn: unless you have done custom setup for a root user
[08:18] <KingShawn> thank you
[08:18] <KingShawn> ya synaptic is nice
[08:19] <KingShawn> i like this distro better then any others so far
[08:19] <neighborlee> KingShawn, my feelings too ;-)
[08:19] <acecase-win> ima ubuntu newb so I don't know how to say this but, what is the word for the newer package set then universe?
[08:20] <Xenguy> acecase-win: your question is a bit unclear
[08:20] <seek187> multiverse?
[08:20] <KingShawn> thats alot of packages
[08:21] <acecase-win> i have ( deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe ) in /etc/apt/sources.list but i want new packages then what i get with that
[08:21] <daniels> sjoerd: see benh's comments in #freedesktop
[08:21] <seek187> oh
[08:21] <acecase-win> yeah sorry im a total apt newb :)
[08:21] <seek187> That's about as new as that get
[08:22] <acecase-win> been using gentoo for a couple years now
[08:22] <corbob> if i have updated to hoary, to go back to warty would i just change my sources.list file back?
[08:22] <bob2> corbob: you can't go back
[08:22] <sjoerd> daniels: hmm nice :)
[08:22] <Xenguy> mwuhaha
[08:22] <bob2> acecase-win: universe has nothing to do with the newness of software
[08:22] <corbob> :(
[08:22] <bob2> acecase-win: if you're using hoary main and universe, you have the newest of everything
[08:23] <deFrysk> hoary=unstable (newer)
[08:23] <seek187> horay is newest
[08:23] <seek187> er hoary
[08:23] <acecase-win> it allows the "unstable" packages dosn't it?
[08:23] <KingShawn> so are all the packages listed in synaptic what come on the install + update?
[08:23] <deFrysk> hoary allowes that
[08:23] <KingShawn> ?
[08:23] <bob2> acecase-win: what are you really trying to do?
[08:23] <KingShawn> oh i see
[08:23] <KingShawn> i found some that i dont have
[08:23] <acecase-win> i want a newer webmin at the moment
[08:24] <acecase-win> i can't install any of the modules cause it sais i have an old version
[08:24] <bob2> acecase-win: 1.160 is the newest version in ubuntu
[08:24] <acecase-win> thats the one i want but thats not what im getting
[08:25] <bob2> well, I don't know what you did to your sources.list then
[08:25] <bob2> well, I do, but I don't know how  you want to fix it
[08:25] <bob2> you want to run the most unstable version of ubuntu?
[08:25] <acecase-win> of everything :)
[08:26] <acecase-win> i want the equiv. of useing ~x86 for gentoo
[08:26] <stuNNed> acecase-win, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[08:26] <bob2> well, this isn't #gentoo, so I can only guess ~x86 means "I want to submit patches to fix bugs"
[08:27] <bob2> oh, a wiki page, neat
[08:27] <bob2> I hope it has a big fat warning
[08:27] <corbob> ~x86 basically says use expirimental ebuilds
[08:30] <acecase-win> yeah sorry ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" allows portage (emerge's apt-get) to install the newest possible packages "expiremental packages"
[08:30] <|^JaMeS^|> is there an LDAP package for ubuntu?
[08:31] <JDahl> I cant seem to find latex2html... anyone happens to know what package it is in? (apt-cache search didnt show anything)
[08:31] <kremlyn> apt-cach search ldap
[08:31] <bob2> JDahl: it's non-free
[08:31] <acecase-win> thank you stuNNed. multiverse is the word i was looking for :)
[08:31] <|^JaMeS^|> thanks
[08:31] <Xenguy> JDahl: what about -> dpkg -S latex2html
[08:31] <bob2> Xenguy: that tells you which package it's in if you have it installed
[08:32] <bob2> multiverse does not contain newer software
[08:32] <stuNNed> acecase-win, np yw :)
[08:32] <Xenguy> bob2: ahh, OK so it is apt-file then?
[08:32] <stuNNed> bob2, i'm excited about using a distro so close to debian
[08:32] <bob2> Xenguy: yes
[08:33] <frog1298> this is a newbie question: just installed ubuntu and I am having a really hard time adding to the PATH env variable.  I have changed the .bash_profile and still nothing.  Any suggestions?
[08:33] <Xenguy> JDahl: if you can find the 'apt-file' package, install that -- it will enable you to track which package contains latex2html even if you don't have the package installed
[08:33] <|^JaMeS^|> source .bash_profile
[08:34] <Xenguy> stuNNed: me too
[08:34] <corbob> will firefox 1.0 be making it into the hoary repository any time soon?
[08:34] <Xenguy> stuNNed: basically it is debian (but a desktop, user-friendly Debian :-)
[08:34] <frog1298> ~/.bash_profile
[08:35] <stuNNed> Xenguy, :D
[08:38] <JDahl> isnt it called "non-free", e.g., deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe non-free ?
[08:39] <thoreauputic> frog1298: do `less /etc/profile` - you will see the PATH for "system wide". You can add to that, although there are other ways
[08:39] <stuNNed> bob2, to get P4 HT support i need to be running an SMP kernel?
[08:39] <frog1298> thoreauptic thanks!
[08:41] <lrn> Morning all.
[08:42] <lrn> I just installed apache2 at my box
[08:42] <lrn> Where i can see the files of it?
[08:42] <lrn> i mean the index.html etc..
[08:42] <ironwolf> how does one turn on SHMConfig in xorg?
[08:42] <stuNNed> lrn, dpkg -L apache2
[08:43] <daniels> ironwolf: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, in the section with 'Driver "synaptics"', add 'Option "SHMConfig"'
[08:43] <lrn> stuNNed nop
[08:43] <lrn> can`t find the good one
[08:44] <tewny> anyone running a athlon64 system with ubuntu ?
[08:44] <stuNNed> lrn, `find / -name index.html` ?
[08:44] <lrn> ok
[08:44] <lrn> found it here /usr/local/apache2/conf/httpd.conf
[08:45] <KingShawn> im just loving the doc debs
[08:46] <tewny> there is no hcl for ubuntu ?
[08:46] <ironwolf> 'Driver "synaptics" isn't a part of the xorg.conf  How do I get xorg to rediscover stuff?
[08:48] <ironwolf> daniels: should I change the Driver "mouse" to Driver "synaptics" ?
[08:50] <bluewheel> a quick query, how does one get usb audio to work, My stock speakers are being picked up and used. Any ideas ?
[08:51] <stuNNed> which locale should i use if in u.s. english ?
[08:51] <lamont_r> damn that was a cool noise.
[08:52] <stuNNed> n/m figured it out
[08:52] <stuNNed> en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
[08:53] <lamont_r> daniels: why does restarting X on ironwolf's laptop make sounds like an aborted drum beat?
[08:53] <daniels> lamont_r: ...
[08:53] <lamont_r> and how did you compress the entire screen down to just that cursor in the top left? :-)
[08:53] <daniels> lamont_r: have you just come back from a long night? :
[08:53] <daniels> :P, even
[08:53] <daniels> um, what's the aborted drum beat sound coming from?  the monitor?
[08:54] <lamont_r> well, laptop.. so it's hard to tell if it's from the speakers, or somethign else...
[08:54] <lamont_r> ah, now (after killing more gnome crap), it's bitching about a bad config... guess that's progress
[08:57] <daniels> weeeiiirrrrd ...
[08:58] <lamont_r> and vt switching is either slow or non-existant
[09:01] <stuNNed> do enable p4 ht support do i need an smp kernel?
[09:02] <Witigonen> Having trouble with my grub.
[09:04] <Witigonen> So, the line should read, 'kernel (hd0,0)/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda5 ((where Ubuntu is installed))?  What am I missing, what's wrong?
[09:10] <deFrysk> man does the mplayerplugin ever Rock!!
[09:11] <Treenaks> deFrysk: if you like that, try mozplugger ;)
[09:13] <deFrysk> k
[09:14] <seek187> is there a command line way of turning the volume up and down??
[09:15] <Xenguy> seek187: aumix ?
[09:15] <seek187> mmm don't think that will work
[09:15] <seek187> well maybe it will
[09:15] <seek187> I'm trying to map the volume wheel on my keyboard
[09:15] <deFrysk> gnome-volume-control
[09:15] <deFrysk> its in the panel
[09:15] <daniels> great.  every time I try to post something with Pan, it hangs, and the stack trace is EIGHYT-EIGHT FUNCTIONS DEEP
[09:16] <seek187> hmm
[09:16] <Xenguy> daniels: excellent :-)
[09:16] <Xenguy> daniels: is that universe?
[09:17] <Treenaks> seek187: alsamixer
[09:17] <Treenaks> daniels: use evolution ;)
[09:17] <seek187> yeah aumix isnt going to work
[09:17] <seek187> ok ill try that now
[09:17] <wm_eddie> seek187: Have you tried Computer > Desktop Preferences > Keyboard shortcuts?
[09:18] <wm_eddie> it should have Sound: Volume Up and Volume Down
[09:18] <seek187> wm_eddie, no im using lineakd the keys are all mapped just need to figure out the command for up one notch and down one notch
[09:19] <seek187> hmm
[09:19] <wm_eddie> lineakd?
[09:19] <seek187> good idea
[09:19] <Treenaks> seek187: lineakd? why not just use the gnome shortcut key thingy?
[09:19] <ironwolf> daniels: What exactly should I change in Driver "mouse" to make it synaptics and happy?
[09:19] <seek187> cause I wanted my volume wheel on my keyboard to work lol
[09:19] <Treenaks> ironwolf: "synaptics" :)
[09:20] <wm_eddie> It doesn't work with gnome Keyboard shortcuts?
[09:20] <seek187> I dunno let me see
[09:20] <stuNNed> ironwolf, might need to install xorg-driver-synaptics
[09:20] <Treenaks> seek187: what kind of keyboard do you have?
[09:20] <seek187> Ohhhh!
[09:20] <seek187> Well that was a waste of time
[09:20] <Treenaks> seek187: what kind of keyboard do you have?
[09:20] <wm_eddie> GNOME: sometimes too simple.
[09:20] <seek187> HP2506
[09:21] <seek187> it works with the gnome thing
[09:21] <seek187> cool didnt know I could do that
[09:21] <Treenaks> seek187: is it like the 2505 ?
[09:21] <ironwolf> stuNNed: xorg-driver-synaptics is installed.
[09:21] <seek187> Treenaks, not sure
[09:21] <seek187> 23 key
[09:21] <stuNNed> ironwolf, ok, n/m then
[09:21] <ironwolf> Treenaks: here goes everything... might be back.
[09:22] <Treenaks> seek187: change "pc104" or "pc105" in your xorg.conf or XF86Config-4 to "hp5105"
[09:22] <labanux> is someone cna help me how to turn off the ubuntu
[09:22] <labanux> my ubuntu can't turned off..
[09:22] <seek187> Treenaks, what for?
[09:22] <wm_eddie> like as in power button turn off?
[09:22] <Treenaks> seek187: that way X will recognise your "special" keys by name (the "WWW" button will be XF86WWW, etc.)
[09:22] <labanux> it's all stalled when getting the message acpi_module_called
[09:22] <seek187> ohhh
[09:23] <Treenaks> seek187: so if you assign them in the gnome shortcut manager, you'll see the name of the key instead of some code
[09:23] <labanux> wm_eddie: even using power button .., it still doesn't work..
[09:23] <seek187> let me look at the config for the 5105
[09:23] <wm_eddie> Hows that possible....
[09:23] <Treenaks> seek187: /etc/X11/skb/symbols/inet
[09:23] <Xenguy> labanux: pull the plug, man :-)
[09:23] <labanux> can anyone give me the solutions for this..?
[09:24] <seek187> Mines the SK-2506
[09:24] <labanux> Xenguy: pull the plug..??? What this mean?? i don't understand..., explain please
[09:24] <Treenaks> seek187: oh wait
[09:24] <Xenguy> labanux: unplug your computer :-)
[09:25] <Xenguy> labanux: that should turn things off
[09:25] <labanux> Xenguy: Weeekkkkkkkkkssssssssss..................
[09:25] <Xenguy> hehe
[09:25] <deFrysk> new firofox in hoary
[09:25] <labanux> Xenguy: then i'm turned off myself.. too
[09:25] <seek187> is it?
[09:25] <wm_eddie> labanux: The actual solution is to either fix ACPI or try APM, or APIC...
[09:25] <deFrysk> yes
[09:25] <seek187> yay
[09:26] <deFrysk> its not 1 ;p
[09:26] <seek187> lol oh
[09:26] <punkass> on a dell laptop i had to use   nolapic  on the grub kernel boot line
[09:26] <seek187> well i'll keep my 1.0 then :P
[09:27] <w0t> why i can`t see movies?
[09:27] <w0t> i installed the w32codecs
[09:27] <punkass> are you using totem-xine?
[09:27] <w0t> can`t install totem-xine
[09:28] <w0t> look
[09:28] <w0t> punkass http://pastebin.com/119136
[09:29] <punkass> whoa...never seen that before
[09:29] <chemaja> i cant find the doco for a floppy boot + ftp install of ubuntu... please help!
[09:29] <w0t> help me in this!
[09:30] <Treenaks> w0t: are you getting totem-xine from ubuntu, or do you have debian repositories in your sources.list?
[09:30] <ironwolf> chemaja: not currently available that I'm aware of.
[09:30] <w0t> Treenaks i followd by the wiki guide about it
[09:31] <ironwolf> chemaja: it's better this way.... :)
[09:32] <thoreauputic> w0t: you have all the required repositories in your /etc/apt/sources.list , uncommented?
[09:32] <w0t> yes
[09:32] <deFrysk> does anyone know why realplayer does not work ? (nvidia-driver? )
[09:32] <BugS> why is the firefox version so old? havent somebody packaged 1.0 ?
[09:33] <wm_eddie> deFrysk: the nvidia-driver shouldn't have anything to do with realplayer...
[09:33] <thoreauputic> w0t: because it looks like some of the repositories are out of synch (wrong versions)
[09:33] <deFrysk> wm_eddie, so why does it not startup then ?
[09:33] <wm_eddie> deFrysk: What's it printing?
[09:33] <ironwolf> hurray! bug 2153 is fixed in hoary. :)
[09:33] <thoreauputic> BugS: if you want 1.0, it's easily installed with the mozilla.org installer
[09:34] <deFrysk> realplay
[09:34] <deFrysk> (realplay.bin:12457): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib
[09:34] <deFrysk> (realplay.bin:12457): Gdk-WARNING **: cannot set locale modifiers
[09:34] <deFrysk> wm_eddie, that where it ends
[09:34] <thoreauputic> BugS: and it's only been out for a few days!
[09:34] <fabbione> deFrysk: that's a harmless warning
[09:34] <BugS> which means that i should remove the ubuntu version?
[09:34] <wm_eddie> LANG=C realplay try that.
[09:34] <deFrysk> fabbione, thats what i thought
[09:35] <deFrysk> wm_eddie, get no autput but also no realplayer
[09:35] <deFrysk> it just hangs
[09:35] <wm_eddie> hmm...
[09:36] <wm_eddie> I can't remember the name of the program that tells you what system calls a program is making...
[09:37] <thoreauputic> wm_eddie: strace?
[09:37] <ironwolf> I'm seeing a non-functional battery monitor in hoary with xorg.  What do I check?
[09:37] <wm_eddie> yup
[09:37] <deFrysk> yes
[09:37] <seek187> Treenaks, is there a list somewhere for keyboards for xorg.conf?
[09:38] <ironwolf> sorry, by non-functional I mean it's sitting at 0% all the time. even when on battery
[09:38] <b_e_n_z> ironwolf, in your kernel, is the ACPI battery module present?
[09:38] <b_e_n_z> ironwolf, is that module loaded if it's present in the kernel?
[09:38] <Treenaks> seek187: uh yes, but I usually look around in /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/inet (if it's an internet keyboard, otherwise just stick with pc104 or pc105)
[09:38] <seek187> ok
[09:40] <ironwolf> b_e_n_z: standard hoary kernel, I don't see it in lsmod.  How would I check?
[09:41] <deFrysk> wm_eddie, http://www.pastebin.com/119138
[09:42] <punkass> deFrysk: i just installed realplayer and it seems fine
[09:42] <punkass> i am watching a vid with audio
[09:42] <deFrysk> stange
[09:42] <deFrysk> +r even
[09:42] <punkass> ?
[09:43] <deFrysk> must be hoary then
[09:43] <punkass> i am using hoary
[09:43] <seek187> hmm my keyboard isnt in there... oh well most of the buttons work and the only ones I really care about work
[09:44] <deFrysk> could it be my utf8 setting ?
[09:44] <punkass> sweet even the firefox real plugin works
[09:44] <wm_eddie> deFrysk: I see waitpid(-1, and then the window shows up.
[09:44] <wm_eddie> deFrysk: I'm using UTF-8
[09:44] <deFrysk> @euro ?
[09:44] <deFrysk>  ?
[09:44] <wm_eddie> punkass: untill you need to open or save a .ram file...
[09:45] <punkass> then i just use realplayer and paste in the url
[09:48] <deFrysk> it even shows up in my menu
[09:48] <deFrysk> silly realplayer
[09:54] <ironwolf> anybody?  If the battery indicator doesn't work by default, what do I check before filing a bug?
[09:55] <wm_eddie> ironwolf: For my laptop, I switched to a 2.4 kernel and APM.  but it's really old...
[09:55] <wm_eddie> pre 1999
[09:56] <Treenaks> wm_eddie: don't switch to 2.4 and APM
[09:57] <_axel> hi, im setting up a laptop for my mom, i cant seem to find the way to set firefox to show menus and dialogs in spanish...
[09:57] <_axel> is that some language pack i must install myself or can it be done via ffox options?
[09:57] <b_e_n_z> _axel, you need to install a language pack like you do in mozilla
[09:58] <_axel> cool
[09:58] <_axel> thanks
[09:58] <wm_eddie> Treenaks: Well you see, it's a laptop with no ACPI support.
[09:58] <Treenaks> wm_eddie: you can disable ACPI, and ACPI can disable itself if it detects your PC is too old
[09:58] <Treenaks> wm_eddie: in 2.6
[09:59] <_axel> and also, i noticed warty has ffox 0.93 or something, should i install 1.0 myself from the mozilla.org packages or the ubuntu one is ok?
[09:59] <seek187> how do you "clean" your old debs thats taking up space?
[09:59] <Treenaks> spt-get clean
[09:59] <bluewheel> apt-get clean
[09:59] <Treenaks> apt-get
[10:00] <wm_eddie> Treenaks: I tried that.  2.6s APM doesn't work.
[10:00] <Treenaks> wm_eddie: file a bug..
[10:00] <Treenaks> wm_eddie: 2.4 is not supported at all for ubuntu
[10:00] <seek187> ohhh I kept thinking it was apt-cache clean
[10:00] <seek187> ok thanks
[10:00] <bob2> _axel: the one in ubuntu works fine
[10:01] <wm_eddie> Other than sound (which is another monster of a problem) 2.4 works fine.
[10:01] <_axel> hmm, hwere are those damn language packs
[10:02] <ironwolf> Treenaks: how do I verify ACPI is running?
[10:02] <Treenaks> ironwolf: dmesg | less
[10:03] <Treenaks> ironwolf: it tells you "ACPI Disabled" if it's disabled
[10:03] <Treenaks> (or something like that)
[10:04] <wm_eddie> > I found that there were power management issues with my
[10:04] <wm_eddie> > ThinkPad 600e and Debian 2.6.8.1-686. In my case, APM was dead, dead,
[10:04] <wm_eddie> > dead. 2.6.8.4 is the fix for that.
[10:04] <wm_eddie> hmmm
[10:04] <bob2> .4?
[10:04] <Treenaks> 2.6.8.4 does not exist, it must be debian-specific patching
[10:04] <bob2> -4, perhaps
[10:05] <wm_eddie> well I must go to bed.
[10:05] <wm_eddie> it's 4am...
[10:05] <ironwolf> treenaks: if ACPI is disabled is it reasonable to assume the battery monitor won't work?
[10:06] <wm_eddie> "I don't see such a thing. Perhaps you mean 2.6.9-rc4?"
[10:06] <wm_eddie> probably if I upgrade to that kernel it might work.
[10:07] <wm_eddie> also I need to get the thinkpad control program working.
[10:07] <wm_eddie> I think the sound problem I'm having is because of something in the bios.  and I can't enter the bios because of a keyboard error.
[10:09] <wm_eddie> http://ibm-acpi.sourceforge.net/
[10:10] <wm_eddie> interesting
[10:10] <bitserf> argghhhhh
[10:11] <Treenaks> ooh.. IBM acpi "specials"
[10:11] <bitserf> anyone else here have an ipod that occasionally just stops working with the ubuntu kernels? works fine with win32/freebsd
[10:11] <bitserf> :(
[10:11] <bitserf> ieee1394: Node added: ID:BUS[0-01:1023]   GUID[000a270002762d57] 
[10:11] <bitserf> ieee1394: The root node is not cycle master capable; selecting a new root node and resetting...ieee1394: Node changed: 0-01:1023 -> 0-00:1023
[10:11] <bitserf> thats all i get when i plug it in, no matter how many times i reset, or reformat the ipod. but sometimes it works.
[10:14] <Lowry> Anyone with a powerbook/ibook?
[10:14] <bluewheel> Lowry, Yep
[10:14] <Lowry> Could you try turning on subpixels in fonts
[10:15] <bluewheel> yea ...
[10:15] <Lowry> Do you get a blue problem around your text?
[10:15] <bob2> yes
[10:16] <Lowry> I get a very thin blue blur around all text
[10:16] <Lowry> Is this a reported bug?
[10:16] <NanoTek> hey everybody
[10:16] <bluewheel> yea same problem for me, interresting, i've never tried this before
[10:17] <Lowry> I sent it in a a png file - no feedback yet
[10:18] <Mr_Smiley> i'm just wondering.. if there's a new release of ubuntu can i just use apt-get to bring me up to date or do i have to reinstall?
[10:19] <bob2> apt-get, of course
[10:19] <ironwolf> Mr_Smiley: my understanding is that when hoary goes live apt-get will do the job.
[10:19] <bob2> this isn't some half-arses redhat derivative ;-)
[10:20] <bob2> even now apt-get will do the job
[10:20] <Lowry> Anyone know if ubuntu supports firewire booting?
[10:20] <Mr_Smiley> hehe
[10:21] <bob2> does your bios?
[10:21] <Mr_Smiley> yeah just making sure :)
[10:21] <Lowry> Mac user
[10:21] <Lowry> Open firmware
[10:29] <the_grey_ghost> OK can I post a newbie question here. I have vague linux familiarity but am Largely Windows Based.
[10:30] <the_grey_ghost> Can Ubuntu Read NTFS drives?
[10:30] <b_e_n_z> the_grey_ghost, yes
[10:30] <subterrific> the_grey_ghost: yes, but not write to them
[10:30] <the_grey_ghost> Okay, What about fat 32
[10:30] <NanoTek> you have to create your own kernel to write on it
[10:30] <NanoTek> the_grey_ghost, no problem
[10:30] <subterrific> the_grey_ghost: fat32 yes, and read/write works
[10:31] <NanoTek> you can xrite on ntfs but it is expermimental and you have to compile your kernel
[10:31] <the_grey_ghost> Okay so if I wanted to transfer data between NTFS and Ubuntu then all I would need would be a FAT 32 buffer
[10:31] <NanoTek> it is the best choice
[10:31] <the_grey_ghost> or is there a problem there?
[10:31] <subterrific> NanoTek: the NTFS write support is really sketchy. last time i tried it a few months ago, you could only modify files, not create any new ones and you couldn't mkae files any bigger
[10:32] <NanoTek> subterrific, that's why i said it is experimental :D (very exp.)
[10:33] <tweek_> hello?
[10:34] <the_grey_ghost> ok, my next question is worse. can ubuntu communicate with other windows machines ranging from XP onwards.
[10:34] <bob2> communicate?
[10:34] <bob2> how do you mean?
[10:35] <the_grey_ghost> over a tcp/ip network. Ie could an internet connection be shared easily enough providing I told it a gateway
[10:35] <the_grey_ghost> or could it print to a Windows Print server?
[10:35] <trukulo> yep
[10:35] <trukulo> yep, with samba
[10:35] <the_grey_ghost> Cool I know samba
[10:35] <trukulo> first one, proxy or masquerade
[10:36] <tweek_> my freind recomended me ubuntu linux can anyone giveme a rundown on burning the .iso?
[10:36] <the_grey_ghost> proxy
[10:36] <Lowry> Mac or pc burn?
[10:36] <bob2> tweek_: from linux?
[10:36] <tweek_> pc
[10:36] <tweek_> from windows
[10:36] <the_grey_ghost> u got nero?
[10:36] <tweek_> no
[10:36] <Elwood> aloha
[10:37] <Lowry> Try the forums http://www.ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=5
[10:37] <Lowry> They have apps and burn reports from many users
[10:37] <tweek_> wow im so blind thanks alot
[10:41] <the_grey_ghost> does ubuntu come with any windows emulators, I have heard that they are reasonable as far as emulators go
[10:41] <bob2> wine.
[10:42] <bob2> tho it's not an emulatore ;-)
[10:42] <trukulo> jdub, hei, i'vew found your trousers, come to #ubuntu-offtopic jdub
[10:43] <the_grey_ghost> ok I vaguely remember Wine or Winlix or something. They don;t support direct X 9 do they
[10:43] <bob2> Cedega does (www.trangaming.com), but it costs money
[10:43] <trukulo> the_grey_ghost, i don't know
[10:44] <the_grey_ghost> ok, getting too far in. thanks guys i will have to try wine.
[10:48] <tweek_> would nero burn the ubuntu .iso corectly?
[10:48] <bob2> yes
[10:48] <bob2> if it burns it as an iso
[10:48] <tweek_> ok
[10:49] <the_grey_ghost> yea Nero burns ISO's good
[10:49] <the_grey_ghost> I burnt about 1,000 of them that way
[10:49] <tweek_> so just download the i386.iso and burn with nero?
[10:49] <NanoTek> yes
[10:49] <NanoTek> but as an image
[10:49] <the_grey_ghost> yea load it as an image just don't add it to the compilation
[10:50] <NanoTek> before check your iso file with md5sum
[10:50] <tweek_> ok il try brb
[10:50] <Lowry> have the cdr verified
[10:51] <tweek_> i love fast mirrors
[10:51] <the_grey_ghost> does Ubuntu come with mono the .net emulator. I have a few VB.net programs that I want to run (yes I hate VB as a language, but thats what they are written in )
[10:52] <seek187> the_grey_ghost, it's in my package list
[10:52] <bob2> the_grey_ghost: it's available for warty
[10:52] <skelll> hello
[10:52] <the_grey_ghost> thanks seek187
[10:52] <the_grey_ghost> thanks guys
[10:53] <bob2> I don't know hos usable winforms is
[10:53] <skelll> after the installation the boot hangup when it try too load the e100 module
[10:54] <skelll> pci.agent seem segfault :/
[10:55] <skelll> any tips ?
[10:55] <Treenaks> skelll: are you overclocking?
[10:55] <skelll> no
[10:55] <bob2> skelll: does "dmesg" show an oops?
[10:56] <skelll> bob i can't dmesg the comp is freezed
[10:56] <bob2> erm, wow
[10:57] <skelll> i had debian sid on this computer so it should work (my HD just crashed)
[10:58] <tweek_> md5sum.exe crashes after start what could  cause this?
[10:59] <bob2> you'd need to find a windows support channel
[10:59] <Lowry> Try a different app mb?
[11:00] <the_grey_ghost> ok one more question, but a relevant one (slap me if there is an explanation on the site but I can;t find it) What is the difference between warty-install-i386 and Warty-live-i386
[11:00] <tweek_> would missing dlls cause it?
[11:00] <Treenaks> dlls?
[11:00] <Treenaks> in linux?
[11:01] <tweek_> im on windows
[11:01] <bob2> the_grey_ghost: do you want to install ubuntu?
[11:01] <skelll> tweek go ask in windows channel
[11:01] <Lowry> End user reply - boot and run vs install?
[11:01] <tweek_> want to check the iso before burning
[11:01] <skelll> most people here don't know windows
[11:01] <bob2> Lowry: right
[11:01] <skelll> (i don't)
[11:01] <deFrysk> windows crashes on anything
[11:02] <Treenaks> tweek_: maybe there are other md5 programs?
[11:02] <seek187> lol
[11:02] <the_grey_ghost> bob2- Yes. I am currently downloading both warty-install-i386 and warty-live-i386
[11:02] <bob2> the_grey_ghost: the -install one is what you use to install ubuntu
[11:02] <deFrysk> does warty cd have a media-check ?
[11:02] <the_grey_ghost> ok what is the live one then?
[11:02] <Lowry> live will run from the cdr
[11:02] <the_grey_ghost> okay. Thanks heaps
[11:02] <Lowry> install will only install from the cdr
[11:03] <schnizzle> anyone need help with a pxe install??
[11:03] <bob2> the_grey_ghost: you boot the cd and can get a taste of ubuntu
[11:03] <the_grey_ghost> cool\
[11:03] <Mr_Smiley> I can get xsane to work when i run it as root, why doesnt it work as a user? I suspect it is something to do with permissions..
[11:03] <skelll> ok i try to reinstall then , what is the prefered file system on ubuntu ? (i installed reiserfs)
[11:03] <Lowry> live will let you look and try but might be slow if on a cdr
[11:03] <schnizzle> and.. how do i get rid of the x in the middle of my screen??
[11:04] <bob2> schnizzle: what sort of video card do you have?
[11:04] <schnizzle> bob2: its a savage on a toshiba laptop
[11:05] <bob2> heh, it's always a savage
[11:05] <schnizzle> i see an x cursor...
[11:05] <schnizzle> but my arrow or whatever moves around fine
[11:05] <bob2> you need to enable SWcursor
[11:06] <schnizzle> bob2: how
[11:06] <schnizzle> ?
[11:07] <Mr_Smiley> wow everything works in ubuntu i have gotten scannner :O and printer working fine..
[11:08] <tweek_> does ubuntu come with a media player?
[11:09] <schnizzle> bob2: SWcursor??? wheres it at?? how do i enable...??
[11:10] <elwood> schnizzle,  in your xconfig
[11:10] <tweek_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/hwcursor
[11:10] <Lowry> My powerbook went to sleep and will not wake up
[11:10] <tweek_> that it?
[11:11] <spacey`ki> RIP
[11:11] <Lowry> had to reset
[11:11] <Lowry> Would there be a log ?
[11:11] <ryan> daniels: are you in?
[11:13] <bob2> Lowry: is it a g4 with nvidia/
[11:13] <bob2> ?
[11:14] <Lowry> ati 8 meg pro lt
[11:15] <Lowry> g3
[11:16] <tweek_> is installing ubuntu harder or easier than redhat?
[11:16] <b_e_n_z> tweek_, much easier
[11:16] <Lowry> Like os x
[11:17] <Lowry> Just a few questions
[11:17] <tweek_> wow thats awesome
[11:17] <bob2> Lowry: it should work
[11:17] <tweek_> im burning now :)
[11:18] <tweek_> under nero data>make data cd?
[11:18] <Lowry> Do you have an iso option?
[11:19] <tweek_> no i dont : /
[11:19] <the_grey_ghost> NO not through make data
[11:19] <the_grey_ghost> Tweek_ are u using express or the full version?
[11:19] <tweek_> demo >.<
[11:20] <Lowry> Burn image mb?
[11:20] <the_grey_ghost> ok run nero express and go disk image or saved project
[11:20] <the_grey_ghost> or
[11:21] <tweek_> burn image to disc refers to iso image?
[11:21] <the_grey_ghost> From full go CD, Create CD, Other cd formats and then Create a cd from an image file
[11:21] <Adrenal> how do i enable a root account?
[11:22] <Adrenal> anyone, help a brother out?
[11:22] <bob2> Adrenal: please read the FAQ
[11:22] <Adrenal> oh sorry
[11:22] <Adrenal> whats the site?
[11:22] <Chibi> ...
[11:22] <bob2> Adrenal: please read the /topic
[11:22] <Chibi> Topic
[11:23] <Adrenal> again, sorry
[11:23] <Adrenal> cheerio
[11:23] <Lowry> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[11:24] <the_grey_ghost> tweek_ if that dosen't work go file>burn image>  then just open the iso
[11:25] <tweek_> i dont have nero express and ive hade nero 5 mins and my demo has expired  : /
[11:25] <tweek_> so im looking for a fullversion
[11:25] <the_grey_ghost> ok
[11:26] <the_grey_ghost> that is just weird. Do you have any of the CD's that came with your CD burner?
[11:26] <Lowry> Is there no open or shareware option for win?
[11:27] <tweek_> im just looking for a torrent but i hate when suprnova dies everyonce and a while
[11:31] <letheus> I have just ripped a cd with 'Grip'. But i have no idea where it stored the tracks? Can anyone help me? Probably a stupid question :)
[11:31] <NanoTek> maybe in .grip
[11:31] <NanoTek> in your HOME
[11:31] <letheus> Where is Grip?
[11:31] <letheus> It?s not in HOME
[11:31] <NanoTek> cd ~/.grip
[11:32] <tweek_> LOL
[11:32] <tweek_> nero has no keygen protection
[11:32] <NanoTek> nautilus --browser ~/;grip
[11:32] <NanoTek> oups
[11:32] <NanoTek> nautilus --browser ~/.grip
[11:33] <NanoTek> or you can make an updatedb & locate xxxx if the name of the file is xxxxx
[11:34] <tweek_> winrar displays the iso as aziped folder should i unzip or burn as is
[11:35] <letheus> i tried nautilus --browser ~/.grip, but it just opens Abiword snd shows alot of weird code.
[11:35] <letheus> snd = and
[11:36] <NanoTek> log in root
[11:36] <NanoTek> make updatedb
[11:36] <NanoTek> and then locate your file with the name as an arg
[11:36] <letheus> NanoTek, ok
[11:38] <Lowry> CDRDAO for xp?
[11:38] <NanoTek> ??
[11:44] <letheus> NanoTek, okay, i have found the tracks. Thank you :)
[11:45] <NanoTek> you're welcome
[11:47] <tweek_> i jsut tried boting my ubuntu disc it said press enter or press f1 for help
[11:47] <tweek_> but it just kept loadibng 2 files and rebooting
[11:47] <tweek_> what might cause this
[11:48] <Treenaks> lots of things
[11:48] <Treenaks> what kind of PC is it?
[11:48] <tweek_> compaq
[11:48] <trukulo> tweek_, try append nolapic
[11:48] <tweek_> whats that?
[11:49] <Treenaks> tweek_: read the help (F1, F2, etc.)
[11:49] <Treenaks> tweek_: it'll have a short explanation
[11:49] <tweek_>  i did
[11:49] <trukulo> yep
[11:49] <tweek_> f1 linux enter
[11:49] <tweek_> and it looped
[11:49] <Treenaks> tweek_: nonono
[11:49] <Treenaks> tweek_: read the help there
[11:49] <tweek_> ok
[11:49] <Treenaks> tweek_: and act accordingly
[11:49] <trukulo> try: linux nolapic (then enter)
[11:49] <tweek_> ok
[11:49] <tweek_>  thanks
[11:50] <tweek_> ill return if it doesnt work :p
[11:57] <tweek_> ok the message i got when i tried noapic is kernel image not found
[11:58] <Treenaks> tweek_: put it after linux
[11:58] <Treenaks> tweek_: so linux noapic
[11:59] <Treenaks> tweek_: not just noapic
[11:59] <tweek_> tried that also
[11:59] <tweek_> it just did the same thing as before
[11:59] <Treenaks> maybe it isn't called "linux", the name is on the first page
[12:06] <tweek_> is that the error you think the kernel image is missing?
[12:43] <Hikaru79> If I have a CD I want to burn, how can I make an image of the whole CD's contents so that I can burn that?
[12:44] <jdub> Hikaru79: on the command line, or with a gui?
[12:44] <Hikaru79> jdub, either
[12:44] <stvn> Hikaru79: do you need it to be bootable, or is it just a data cd?
[12:44] <Hikaru79> Just a data cd
[12:44] <stvn> Hikaru79: why not use the nauilus-CD burner facility?
[12:44] <jdub> Hikaru79: on your nautilus window, click Places > CD Creator
[12:45] <jind> To burn iso: cdrecord -v -dev 0,0,0 -speed 24 -driveropts=burnproof fil.iso - Find right device with cdrecord -scanbus
[12:45] <jdub> Hikaru79: that will pop up a window you can copy files to
[12:45] <jdub> Hikaru79: then do File > Write to CD...
[12:45] <jdub> Hikaru79: it's really easy :)
[12:45] <stvn> :)
[12:45] <Hikaru79> Well, I know i can just copy the files to the new CD and then burn
[12:45] <jdub> Hikaru79: that window should pop up if you insert a blank disc, too
[12:45] <Hikaru79> But if it's a software that has to be installed, etc., is that enough?
[12:45] <mark__> Does anyone know how to add the debian menu to the bottom of the gnome menu?
[12:46] <stvn> Hikaru79: how do you mean software to be installed, like packagers and executables or like linux install CDs
[12:47] <Hikaru79> Windows software, actually
[12:47] <Hikaru79> Just two CD's with a Windows program'
[12:47] <stvn> Hikaru79: normally you can just put the .exe on the CD via nautilus, unless you need it to be installed before windows is started
[12:47] <Hikaru79> Oh, OK
[12:47] <Hikaru79> =) Then that's enough
[12:56] <svenl> jind: what is the benefit of -driveropts=burnproof ?
[12:56] <challange> re
[12:56] <challange> can anybody help me
[12:56] <Lowry> hi
[12:56] <challange> I have a partition
[12:57] <challange> where windows xp is located
[12:57] <challange> and I want to make a boot menu or sth
[12:57] <challange> to use xp too
[12:57] <jind> svenl,  You enable the burnproof function so the burning does not get buffer underruns - if your burner supports it
[12:57] <svenl> jind: ah, thanks.
[12:58] <challange> and when I installed windows
[12:58] <challange> then I had to install ubuntu again cause there is no chance to install the grub only
[12:58] <challange> i dont know WHY
[12:58] <challange> i have to install the hole system
[12:59] <svenl> challange: don't install windows then.
[12:59] <challange> windows overwrites the boot record
[12:59] <challange> yeah well that can be a solution:D
[12:59] <challange> but I need to
[12:59] <svenl> challange: you just have to rerun grub, so it installs itself in the boot record.
[01:00] <challange> how?
[01:00] <challange> when I boot from install cd
[01:00] <challange> ?
[01:00] <challange> or when I boot from windows?:D
[01:00] <svenl> no idea, i never installed ubuntu, but it is based on the debian-installer, so probably you could install the grub .udeb in the initrd, and call it from there.
[01:00] <svenl> not sure though.
[01:00] <challange> cause win can't see linux partition
[01:01] <challange> there is no chance
[01:01] <svenl> challange: best idea is to create the partition table, reboot, install windows, and then install linux (ubuntu or debian or whatever).
[01:01] <NanoTek> challange, exp2fs
[01:02] <challange> svenl, yeah I did that but when I wanted to install ubuntu it halted and said it can't install grub
[01:02] <challange> d installer asked me
[01:02] <fords> my profound apologies for asking such a stupid question, but i'm sure other people have had this same problem.  i'd gladly look it up if i could, but i've spent the last half hour trying to find TFM.
[01:02] <fords> that said, is there a forum/bbs/newsgroup for users?
[01:02] <challange> if I want to use windows as well
[01:02] <challange> i said yes
[01:02] <challange> and installation has failed
[01:03] <challange> i dont really understand
[01:03] <challange> :D
[01:07] <svenl> challange: fill a bug report, it should work.
[01:08] <svenl> challange: at least debian-installer works for this kind of stuff, so ...
[01:14] <plfiorini> hello
[01:15] <plfiorini> do you plan to hack debian-installer adding a gnome gui?
[01:15] <fabbione> plfiorini: no
[01:15] <Kamion> fabbione: ?
[01:15] <fabbione> there will be a GUI but it will be gtk based
[01:16] <fabbione> oh well
[01:16] <jordi> fabbione: not even as a medium term goal?
[01:16] <Kamion> that's not clear
[01:16] <fabbione> if you want to consider gnome = gtk
[01:16] <fabbione> than yws
[01:16] <fabbione> yes
[01:16] <Kamion> fabbione: it's entirely possible that it will have at least some GNOME components
[01:16] <jordi> ok, I guess we all understood gnome=gtk in this case :)
[01:16] <fabbione> Kamion: ah
[01:16] <jordi> Kamion: like what?
[01:16] <Kamion> well, certainly glade
[01:16] <jdub> fabbione: same thing these days :)
[01:16] <fabbione> jordi: heh
[01:16] <fabbione> jdub: i am purist :P
[01:16] <Kamion> I could imagine that HIGgy dialogs would be valuable too
[01:17] <jdub> soon, there will not be a libgnome(ui)
[01:17] <jdub> hoorah!
[01:17] <xukun> did anybody updated to Hoary?
[01:17] <jdub> Kamion: (all gtk+ level)
[01:17] <daniels> x is fine, just not in the installer :P
[01:17] <fabbione> xukun: yes..
[01:17] <Kamion> jdub: ah, ok
[01:17] <jdub> daniels: what about tinyx and friends?
[01:17] <fabbione> daniels: let's all go back to ConsoleFB!
[01:17] <NanoTek> fabbione, you can use the framebuffer if ou wnat
[01:18] <fabbione> NanoTek: yes i am aware of that ;)
[01:18] <jdub> daniels: would be much nicer to be able to use X :)
[01:18] <daniels> jdub: i dunno, just seems more sensible to use gtk's native framebuffer stuff
[01:18] <jordi> Is gtkfb usable at all?
[01:18] <jdub> jordi: not these days
[01:18] <daniels> if we're only going to use x for like one window to wrap the framebuffer anyway ;)
[01:18] <jdub> daniels: can't do a11y and friends
[01:18] <jordi> too bad :|
[01:18] <daniels> jdub: problem is that framebuffer detection fails once every never
[01:18] <daniels> jdub: hm
[01:18] <jdub> daniels: and all the X stuff is very easily retargetable, etc.
[01:18] <hw-tPh> Soo...will I be flamed if I ask something about Hoary? :-o
[01:18] <daniels> i suppose if we could beat the resolution and crap out of the fb, we could wrap x around the framebuffer
[01:18] <jordi> hw-tPh: why would you?
[01:19] <fabbione> hw-tPh: well.. it depends..
[01:19] <daniels> for a11y
[01:19] <NanoTek> fabbione, but if you use it and it crash evetything is crashed
[01:19] <NanoTek> kernel too
[01:19] <jdub> daniels: that'd be ideal.
[01:19] <daniels> jdub: mmm
[01:19] <xukun> fabbione:  I,m asking becouse I just installed Warty on my system I,m not wondering if I should update to Hoary
[01:19] <jdub> daniels: of course, we can always just fail for stupid hardware and make users use the text-based one
[01:19] <hw-tPh> I was just wondering if XFT has changed significantly? I can't use my Proggy fonts anymore.
[01:19] <daniels> jdub: hmm, true
[01:20] <fabbione> xukun: hoary is the unstable branch. if you can deal with random breakage, yes.. you can update.. otherwise wait
[01:20] <jdub> Kamion: is it possible to use normal debs in the installer?
[01:21] <fabbione> NanoTek: my "rant" was a joke..
[01:21] <xukun> fabbione: thanks I will take a chance. any tips before I hit the road?
[01:21] <hw-tPh> I can deal with it, and I'm not complaining - just asking a little question.
[01:21] <fabbione> NanoTek: zless /usr/share/xorg-common/changelog.Debian.gz and scroll a bunch of lines down ;)
[01:21] <fabbione> xukun: apt-get dist-upgrade or use dselect or synaptic
[01:21] <fabbione> xukun: don't do partial upgrade
[01:22] <fabbione> hw-tPh: it should still be there and working...
[01:22] <xukun> fabbione: what about the sources.list, no changes needed in there?
[01:23] <hw-tPh> fabbione: Yes, it appears to be working for most fonts but just not these ones. Perhaps they are screwed. I'll have to look that up.
[01:24] <seek187> xukun, just change "warty" to "hoary" in all the lines in sources.list and apt-get update
[01:24] <xukun> seek187: thanks
[01:25] <seek187> np
[01:25] <Lowry> then apt-get upgrade
[01:25] <seek187> apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:25] <Lowry> I have a font question
[01:26] <Lowry> What is needed to get smooth fonts on the ppc?
[01:27] <Kamion> jdub: no
[01:27] <Kamion> jdub: what do you need to do?
[01:27] <Lowry> Is there more to download or is it set up?
[01:27] <Kamion> jordi: gtk/directfb works fine
[01:28] <jdub> Kamion: just thinking about the a11y stuff and depends, and fearing the number of udeb recipes required :)
[01:29] <Kamion> the majority of them are done already
[01:29] <jdub> bonobo...
[01:29] <Kamion> normal .debs aren't an option :)
[01:29] <Kamion> apart from anything else you generally want to build them differently for the installer: -Os, that sort of thing
[01:29] <jdub> yeah
[01:31] <eazel7> hi
[01:31] <eazel7> isn't there a basedebs.tar for warty?
[01:31] <Kamion> no
[01:31] <eazel7> :(
[01:31] <Kamion> use debootstrap
[01:32] <eazel7> I have debootstrap
[01:32] <eazel7> I'm on gentoo
[01:32] <Treenaks> eazel7: why not just install using the CD?
[01:32] <Kamion> oh, you want to do the "download just one file and stick it on a disk somewhere" thing?
[01:32] <eazel7> can't burn it
[01:32] <eazel7> kinda
[01:32] <Kamion> you should be able to cross-install using a localish mirror nonetheless
[01:33] <eazel7> 'install&configure in a chroot jail'
[01:33] <Kamion> there's documentation for that
[01:33] <eazel7> that's what I'm searching now
[01:34] <Kamion> eazel7: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/release/doc/manual/en/apcs03.html
[01:34] <Kamion> it's a bit rough, but should give you the idea
[01:35] <eazel7> thanks
[01:36] <xukun> which gcc version is there in warty?
[01:37] <Elwood> 3.3.4
[01:39] <eazel7> if I have downloaded the warty cd, should I download the 'basedebs' from web again?
[01:40] <eazel7> I mean, are they differents?
[01:40] <Treenaks> eazel7: they're not different, and if they are, it'll be fixed by the aptitude step later on
[01:40] <ermo> I'm currently sampling warty. How's the progress with integrating X.Org coming along in hoary?
[01:40] <eazel7> Treenaks: thanks
[01:41] <jdub> ermo: done. it's great.
[01:41] <ermo> jdub, really? Kewl!
[01:41] <jdub> ermo: (well, there are always things to do in a devel branch...)
[01:41] <ermo> jdub, hehe
[01:41] <hw-tPh> ermo: I just upgraded to Hoary. It works very well for me.
[01:41] <mjr> yep, X.org in hoary works fine; I upgraded my gaming ubuntu install to it ;)
[01:41] <ermo> mjr, say again 'your gaming ubuntu install'? Could you elaborate a bit?
[01:42] <ermo> (if it's okay in here, I mean)
[01:42] <eazel7> is the i8xx issue solved in horay?
[01:42] <Treenaks> eazel7: i8xxs issue?
[01:42] <eazel7> (well, the problem is with X.org 6.8.x)
[01:42] <mjr> well, my main system is Warty/amd64, but I have a small Hoary/x86 partition for 32-bit DRI games
[01:42] <eazel7> Treenaks: some crashes
[01:42] <mjr> DRI didn't support 32-bit clients on the 64-bit kernel at least out of the box
[01:42] <ermo> jdub, is the X.Org integration running 'in parallel' with debian unstable? Or are you going seperate ways for now?
[01:43] <eazel7> Treenaks: you must disable some accel to make it work better
[01:43] <ermo> mjr, I'm totally n00b when it comes to linux gaming. I'm one of those play it safe types who has an xp box just for gaming.
[01:44] <ermo> mjr, could you perhpas point me to a ressource, where I might learn more about the current state of gaming on linux?
[01:45] <Treenaks> ermo: linuxgames.org ?
[01:45] <ermo> btw, great job on warty, folks! Like I said, I've only sampled it, but it seems to be great :D
[01:45] <Treenaks> no that's a spammer
[01:45] <mjr> ermo, ok; To put it more simply, basically, 3d acceleration only works for 64 bit apps on the stock 64-bit kernel. This is being corrected, but I don't know about the progress really. Meanwhile, I need that 32-bit partition for mostly Neverwinter Nights.
[01:45] <Treenaks> ermo: linuxgames.com
[01:45] <ermo> Treenaks, thx. I knew I would look like an idiot when asking ;)
[01:45] <mjr> and yeah, linuxgames.com
[01:46] <ermo> mjr, Treenaks: Thanks. I'll scamper off and read up on it and ask smarter questions from now on...
[01:48] <Treenaks> ermo: :)
[01:49] <xukun> if gcc is installed in warty, then way is this? sudo dpkg -s gcc Package `gcc' is not installed and no info is available.
[01:49] <xukun> I must be doing something wrong
[01:49] <Treenaks> xukun: it's not installed by default
[01:49] <Treenaks> xukun: you should install build-essential
[01:49] <Treenaks> xukun: it could also be that the package is called gcc-3.3 or something
[01:50] <ermo> One more q: How does Fedora Core and Ubuntu compare technically (not philosophically)? Anyone here who have experience w/both?
[01:50] <Kamion> xukun: gcc isn't installed by default
[01:50] <ermo> (I've never tried fedora)
[01:50] <seek187> I've tried it for about 10 minutes :P
[01:51] <ermo> seek187, heh
[01:51] <hw-tPh> Comparing Redhat and Debian, eh? Apples and oranges...
[01:51] <xukun> Treenaks: apt-get install build-essential?
[01:51] <Treenaks> ermo: most rpm-based distributions have a problem with trying to decide what's best for you.. I want to edit the config and be done.. not edit the config, then edit the default config and then hope it isn't stored elsewhere
[01:52] <Treenaks> xukun: yes
[01:52] <ermo> Treenaks, that's a good point.
[01:53] <ermo> Treenaks, do you mind if I quote you on that?
[01:53] <plfiorini> ermo, fc 3 doesn't even install here
[01:53] <Treenaks> ermo: where?
[01:54] <jdub> ermo: ubuntu branches from debian sid
[01:54] <jdub> ermo: sometimes ahead, sometimes behind :)
[01:54] <plfiorini> ermo, and ubuntu is more polished
[01:54] <ermo> Treenaks, eh, in my local danish AAUUG. I found that it somehow 'rings true'?
[01:54] <seek187> and faster
[01:54] <Treenaks> ermo: ok :)
[01:54] <ermo> so much for a biased opinion ;)
[01:55] <xukun> what is the story about ati cards and hoary?
[01:55] <plfiorini> seek187, yep - redhat/fedora always loaded too much in their init scripts and i don't want to know how many patches they do for gcc and glibc
[01:55] <xukun> or should I say X.org and ati
[01:56] <ermo> Don't the open source drivers (for <R300) work well with X.Org? *holds breath*
[01:56] <plfiorini> seek187, hoary has also xrender 0.9 which is better - my r250 works better with shadows now although it still suck with translucent windows
[01:56] <hw-tPh> It's not so much the ATI cards but the drivers ATI supply.
[01:56] <ryan> daniels: are you in?
[01:56] <plfiorini> ermo, afaik fglrx doesn't run with xorg so you have to use the OSS drivers that are not the same :-/
[01:56] <seek187> Yeah my shadows work well too but I took them off cause after awhile it started getting boggy
[01:57] <seek187> Yeah ATI needs to build a new driver
[01:57] <xukun> so as long as I use the the open source driver I would be save?
[01:57] <plfiorini> seek187, hehe xcomposite is still not stable
[01:57] <ryan> rats, missed him by about half an hour :/
[01:57] <seek187> I can barly play ET
[01:57] <seek187> plfiorini, heh nope
[01:57] <plfiorini> seek187, but it's good to see that xfree is dead
[01:57] <ryan> heh
[01:58] <seek187> I know
[01:58] <ryan> xcomp is kindof annoying
[01:58] <ryan> each setting has its share of bugs
[01:58] <ermo> plfiorini, you sound like the guy to ask: I bought a <$100 radeon RV280 card specifically for use with the OSS drivers for my ubuntu box. How do well do the OSS drivers work (I assume you've tried them)
[01:58] <ermo> ?
[01:58] <plfiorini> ermo, is rv280 the radeon 9200 just like the ibook g4 1.1 onboard?
[01:58] <ryan> server side only has weird issues when i scroll with the mouse wheel, it leaves garbage in gaim im windows and the nautilus desktop wallpaper selector
[01:59] <ryan> and with -c, for example, resizing the nautilus windows leaves LOTS of garbage
[01:59] <ryan> but the other bugs don't appear
[01:59] <ryan> heh
[01:59] <plfiorini> ryan, luminocity should be good, using opengl but i haven't tried it yet
[01:59] <ronalde> goodday, anybody any clues on how to get my Plextor SATA DVD-writer working?
[01:59] <plfiorini> it's owen's WM
[02:00] <ermo> plfiorini, it's a 9250. I believe it's an 'improvement' (die shrink? consolidation/integration)?
[02:00] <ryan> i find it funny that with the 6111 nvidia drivers i was able to use both xcomposite and gl apps at the same time
[02:00] <ryan> i just upgraded to the 6629 drivers
[02:00] <ryan> and now i can't use gl with the xcomposite extension loaded
[02:00] <Mithrandir> ronalde: I don't think SATA DVD burners are supported by the kernel yet. :/
[02:00] <hw-tPh> ryan: The 6229 drivers are crap. They don't work with most widescreen LCD's.
[02:01] <hw-tPh> ryan: I'm sticking with 6111.
[02:01] <plfiorini> ermo, i installed warty rc on my ibook (it's the only decent distro out ther for PPC, maybe gentoo is good too but i haven't tried)
[02:01] <ronalde> Mithrandir: ic ;(
[02:01] <ermo> plfiorini, oh ok. Would you care to relate your experience?
[02:01] <plfiorini> ermo, the OSS drivers work good anyway i had problems with xcomposite (i compiled xorg 6.8.1 by hand)
[02:02] <Mithrandir> ronalde: if somebody gets me one, I can surely test. ;)
[02:02] <plfiorini> ermo, i had problems with metacity that caused a xserver crash and using xfwm i managed to get xorg running with shadows but it was really slow
[02:03] <plfiorini> ermo, anyway radeons work good using the xorg drivers, but i want to try them playing quake 3 :)
[02:03] <ermo> plfiorini, :D
[02:03] <ronalde> Mithrandir: well maybe this output from dmesg makes sense to you (3 lines):
[02:03] <seek187> plfiorini, I tried on my 9200 its so choppy I couldn't play it
[02:03] <ronalde> ata2: dev 0 cfg 49:0f00 82:0000 83:0000 84:0000 85:0000 86:0000 87:0000 88:0407
[02:03] <ronalde> ata2: dev 0 ATAPI, max UDMA/33
[02:03] <ronalde> ata2: dev 0 configured for UDMA/33
[02:03] <plfiorini> ermo, glxgears give me 5329 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1065.800 FPS
[02:03] <Kamion> plfiorini: why the rc?
[02:04] <plfiorini> ermo, it's glxgears running on my rv250 (radeon 9000) using hoary
[02:04] <ermo> plfiorini, ok.
[02:05] <plfiorini> ermo, have you got some glxgears output to compare?
[02:05] <xukun> ronalde: S-ATA is common kernel subsystem now, so it is supposed to work - but I don't have any first
[02:05] <ermo> plfiorini, no. Not yet.
[02:05] <plfiorini> ermo, k
[02:05] <ermo> plfiorini, sorry :/
[02:05] <ronalde> xukun: where to post a bug, debian, ubuntu or kernel
[02:06] <plfiorini> gotta study something, i have an exam :(
[02:06] <xukun> ronalde: I,m not sure
[02:09] <ermo> pl_study, but thx for your input.
[02:10] <eazel7> could someone paste the sources.list for me, please?
[02:10] <Kamion> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[02:10] <Kamion> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[02:11] <eazel7> thx
[02:19] <mwh_> hi
[02:20] <seek187> hi
[02:20] <mwh_> umh im having trouble getting sound on my laptop, its an Acer TravelMate 2000
[02:20] <mwh_> I read somewhere that it uses the sound module atiixp and I can load it but still get no sound
[02:21] <mwh_> what can I do?
[02:21] <daniels> this may sound like a stupid question, but is there a hardware mute button on there?
[02:23] <ermo^away> daniels: I recently heard someone jokingly comment: 'There are no stupid questions, only idiots who don't know how to shut up!' (btw, your question was quite sound, IMHO)
[02:23] <mwh_> umh I cant change the volumen with the gnome volume applet
[02:23] <ermo^away> daniels, ;)
[02:23] <mwh_> and I cant change the settings, its says no mixer is available
[02:24] <daniels> mwh_: ok
[02:26] <xukun> how can I choose a different resolution than 800x600?
[02:27] <xukun> by Screen Resolution there is only 800x600 and 640x480
[02:27] <mwh_> xukun, you will have to change the XF86Config file
[02:27] <mwh_> im not sure if there is a tool for it
[02:28] <mwh_> you can search the file its in /etc/X11
[02:28] <mwh_> for 800x600
[02:28] <mwh_> then just put some other resolution in there
[02:28] <mwh_> 1024x768 for example
[02:28] <xukun> mwh_: I see thanks
[02:35] <MitchXbox> hello
[02:35] <seek187> hi
[02:37] <SMut> Hello! Great distro so far - the first one which worked fine with my JVC MP XV-941 laptop neatly together!
[02:38] <SMut> Unfortunately I'm a KDE user normally so I'd like to know if it will be possible to get KDE running?
[02:39] <mjr> SMut, it is possible; kde is available in the (unsupported) universe repository
[02:39] <mjr> ...or you can see if you'll get used to gnome ;)
[02:39] <Riddell> SMut: I have some KDE 3.3 packages
[02:40] <SMut> mjr, THX - Gnome isn't that bad, really :-)
[02:40] <Riddell> SMut: "deb http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/ubuntu/ unstable main
[02:40] <Riddell> SMut: requried hoary
[02:43] <SMut> Riddell, THX I'll check it out!
[02:46] <_axel> hi, im trying to setup sound on a laptop, alsamixer shows a detected device 'Via 8235 Realtek ALC202 Rev 0' but the gnome mixer shows no sound devices found
[02:46] <linux_mafia> omfg, the banner ads at www.linuxsecurity.com are those "get the facts" microsoft ones that say linux is more expensive than MS server, lol
[02:47] <daniels> linux_mafia: yes, and also at linuxtoday.com
[02:47] <_axel> and i cant get any sound, and alsaconf does not seem to be installed... any hints?
[02:47] <linux_mafia> haha
[02:47] <mjr> _axel, hmm, might you not have snd-mixer-oss loaded?
[02:47] <mjr> (and snd-pcm-oss)
[02:48] <_axel> mjr: they seem to be loaded
[02:48] <_axel> i have snd-
[02:48] <mjr> ok, well, I'm out of guesses
[02:48] <_axel> snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss
[02:48] <xukun> !nis
[02:48] <_axel> and snd_pcm
[02:49] <LifesizeKenDoll> just like sex, software is better when it's free - it just has a higher TCO
[02:49] <ermo> lol
[02:50] <ninehrcoma> _axel: you have a problem with sound?
[02:50] <_axel> ninehrcoma, yup
[02:51] <ninehrcoma> what is the prob
[02:51] <_axel> ninehrcoma, alsamixer shows it found the card but the gnome mixer cant find any
[02:51] <ninehrcoma> no tabs in the mixer?
[02:51] <_axel> yup
[02:51] <_axel> rather, an error popup
[02:51] <Lowry> later
[02:52] <_axel> no mixer devices found when clicking on 'open volume control'
[02:52] <ninehrcoma> what do you have in /etc/modutils/alsa
[02:53] <_axel> ninehrcoma, i have /etc/modutils/alsa-base which contains 'above snd-pcm snd-pcm-oss'
[02:54] <ninehrcoma> try this
[02:54] <ninehrcoma> vi /etc/discover.conf
[02:54] <ninehrcoma> add a line that says
[02:54] <ninehrcoma> wait
[02:54] <ninehrcoma> what audio card do you have
[02:54] <_axel> i think the card IS detected actually
[02:54] <Treenaks> ninehrcoma: not /etc/modules and/or /etc/hotplug/blacklist ?
[02:55] <_axel> via 8235 realtek alc202 or so
[02:55] <ninehrcoma> is this a 2.6 kernel?
[02:55] <_axel> thats a question for me?
[02:55] <Xenguy> ninehrcoma: yes
[02:55] <ninehrcoma> i added to discover.conf
[02:55] <ninehrcoma> skip i810_audio
[02:55] <Xenguy> ninehrcoma: er, by default
[02:55] <ninehrcoma> that is the oss driver for my card
[02:56] <ninehrcoma> Xenguy: exactly, so I don't ever use /etc/modules
[02:56] <ninehrcoma> then I add a file in /etc/modutils called alsa
[02:56] <ninehrcoma> should I paste what i have in mine?
[02:57] <ninehrcoma> keeping in mind it is for an intel i810 card, you simply replace the module specific stuff with the alsa modules for the via card
[02:57] <xukun> Hmm after upgrading to hoary, I get this error every time I restart X. "No volume control elements and/or deveces found
[02:57] <xukun> anybody know what this means
[02:57] <_axel> i wish
[02:58] <Treenaks> ninehrcoma: never load oss drivers
[02:58] <ninehrcoma> i dont, but initially it did
[02:58] <ninehrcoma> and i had to stop it so that alsa would work properly
[02:58] <_axel> so the prob is oss getting in the way?
[02:58] <ninehrcoma> _axel: would you like me to email you what i did?
[02:58] <ninehrcoma> not sure that people want me cutting and pasting into the chat here
[02:59] <_axel> ninehrcoma, please
[03:01] <mwh_> Hi, im having problem getting sound on my laptop, I updated ubuntu and now it seems to load the correct module, im getting a click-sound from the speaker at least, umh but when alsactl wants to restore its soundsettings it says no soundcard was found
[03:01] <mwh_> can it be that the chipset is only supported by OSS and not by Alsa?
[03:02] <mwh_> how can I use oss instead of alsa?
[03:05] <xukun> How can I bring old onboard sound card and network to life in ubuntu?
[03:07] <vincent> hi! I have a problem compiling gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:07] <jdub> why are you compiling it?
[03:08] <BugS> hi
[03:08] <vincent> cannot exec cc1plus : No such file....
[03:08] <vincent> to get mp3 working!
[03:08] <BugS> i cant start openoffice on my fresh installed ubuntu
[03:08] <jdub> vincent: install it
[03:08] <Treenaks> vincent: you can just install it..
[03:08] <vincent> is it in synaptic?
[03:08] <Treenaks> vincent: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:08] <vincent> ooh
[03:08] <Treenaks> vincent: always look for packages first
[03:08] <BugS>  $ openoffice
[03:08] <BugS> OpenOffice.org for Debian - see /usr/share/doc/openoffice.org/README.Debian.gz
[03:08] <BugS> running openoffice.org setup...
[03:08] <BugS> setup failed (code 0).. abort
[03:08] <BugS> ---- Please read /usr/share/doc/openoffice.org/README.Debian.gz for known problems -----
[03:08] <Treenaks> vincent: you might need to enable the 'universe' repository
[03:09] <vincent> I'm not used with apt-get
[03:09] <vincent> ok
[03:09] <vincent> where?
[03:09] <BugS> i saw the readme, and i couldnt find a sollution
[03:09] <Treenaks> vincent: apt-get is the same as synaptic, but for command line people
[03:09] <Treenaks> vincent: you can also search for it in synaptic
[03:09] <vincent> I understood
[03:09] <xukun> I even can see my onboard sound and network card in lspci(old system)
[03:09] <vincent> conflict error when running both! ;)
[03:09] <xukun> any idea's?
[03:10] <Treenaks> vincent: no conflict.. it's just that some people prefer one, and some the other
[03:10] <vincent> when you run apt-get, if synaptic is opened, there's a error message!
[03:10] <vincent> ;)
[03:11] <mvo_> you can't run both at the same time :)
[03:11] <vincent> yep
[03:11] <mvo_> but otherwise they mix fine
[03:11] <vincent> :)
[03:11] <vincent> yep
[03:11] <Kal_Zakath> hi
[03:12] <xukun> I think I need isapnptools, but apt-get does not show, where can I find this?
[03:13] <vincent> how to enable 'universe'?
[03:13] <BugS> can anyone help me?
[03:14] <vincent> not me... i'm so noob
[03:14] <vincent> :)
[03:15] <thoreauputic> BugS: you installed with synaptic or apt-get?
[03:15] <seek187> vincent, in synapic go to  Settings > Repositories and check both the greyed out entries
[03:15] <seek187> then hit the reload button
[03:15] <BugS> thoreauputic: installed it by default, from the cdrom.. then it didnt worked and i tried to dpkg-reconfigure it
[03:16] <BugS> but still the same problem
[03:17] <xukun> seek187: do you how I can install my isa sound card?
[03:17] <seek187> mmm, not sure sorry
[03:17] <TrasMontano> Hello evby !!
[03:17] <thoreauputic> what happens if you run    oowriter  ?
[03:17] <thoreauputic> BugS: ^^^^
[03:18] <BugS> same:
[03:18] <BugS> $ oowriter
[03:18] <BugS> OpenOffice.org for Debian - see /usr/share/doc/openoffice.org/README.Debian.gz
[03:18] <BugS> running openoffice.org setup...
[03:18] <BugS> setup failed (code 0).. abort
[03:18] <BugS> ---- Please read /usr/share/doc/openoffice.org/README.Debian.gz for known problems -----
[03:18] <TrasMontano> anybody as compiled his kernel succefully ???????
[03:18] <TrasMontano> I386 !
[03:18] <Treenaks> TrasMontano: one question mark is enough, and please don't shout
[03:18] <xukun> seek187: I need isapnptools I think but apt-get cant find it, this is becouse of the sources.list I think
[03:18] <Treenaks> TrasMontano: and yes, poeple have successfully compiled their kernels
[03:19] <Treenaks> TrasMontano: please take the time to read up on "kernel-package" (the Debian and Ubuntu way of building kernels)
[03:19] <seek187> xukun, , yes thats why just do what I had vincent do
[03:19] <mwh_> hi, its me again, im still having trouble with my sound
[03:20] <thoreauputic> BugS: try sudo apt-get install --reinstall openoffice.org
[03:20] <mwh_> I dont have an /dev/dsp
[03:20] <BugS> thoreauputic: did that, twice
[03:20] <thoreauputic> BugS: :(
[03:20] <Treenaks> mwh_: /dev/dsp is OSS, ubuntu uses ALSA and ESD
[03:21] <wu_ming> hi anyone know how to get chinese inputing to work?
[03:21] <mwh_> Treenaks, okay, alsa cant find my soundcard
[03:21] <TrasMontano> Treenaks: thx it's the emocion...Sorry.  I read the kernel-package, i configured and compiled, but after reboot "kernel panic VFS unable to mount"
[03:21] <jdub> although generally via the oss compat interface, rather than alsa directly
[03:21] <Treenaks> mwh_: tried to figure out?
[03:21] <mwh_> Treenaks, do you know how to enable oss instead of alsa?
[03:21] <xukun> mwh_: which sound card do you have
[03:21] <mwh_> Treenaks, I get a click-sound when the driver for my soundcard is loaded
[03:21] <Treenaks> mwh_: you don't want  that
[03:22] <mwh_> xukun, two secs
[03:22] <Treenaks> TrasMontano: did you select the driver for your root device to be compiled in? if not, did you build the initrd?
[03:22] <mwh_> IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller
[03:22] <Treenaks> TrasMontano: (and, what's wrong with the stock kernels?)
[03:22] <mwh_> snd_atiixp sound driver loaded
[03:23] <mrjive> when i do a dpkg-reconfigure xsever-xfree86 questions about monitor and resolution are not asked anymore, anybody knows why?
[03:23] <TrasMontano> Treenaks: i compiled the driver and i tryied with a initrd, same problem
[03:23] <mwh_> Treenaks, but if oss works with the card?
[03:23] <tseng> mrjive: because ubuntu is modified to probe the monitor instead where possible
[03:23] <TrasMontano> unregonized block (0,0)
[03:23] <mrjive> tseng: is there a way to re-probe monitor?
[03:23] <Treenaks> mwh_: you want alsa, really
[03:24] <mrjive> since i moved this pc to another place with a better monitor...
[03:24] <Treenaks> TrasMontano: well, don't know
[03:24] <Treenaks> TrasMontano: just use a stock kernel then
[03:24] <tseng> mrjive: xresprobe
[03:24] <mwh_> Treenaks, how to get it to recognize my snd-card then?
[03:24] <mrjive> tseng: ok thx
[03:25] <TrasMontano> Treenaks: what is a stock kernel ?? precompiled?
[03:25] <Treenaks> TrasMontano: yes the one ubuntu came with
[03:25] <Treenaks> mwh_: well, the driver loaded, so it is recognised
[03:25] <Treenaks> mwh_: maybe you're having an interrupt problem? (cat /proc/interrupts, look for your sound card)
[03:25] <TrasMontano> ok i want High memory support and ntfs writing
[03:26] <xukun> mwh_: what does cat /proc/asound/cards show?
[03:26] <mwh_> --- no soundcards ---
[03:27] <mwh_> Treenaks, cant seem to find my snd-card there
[03:28] <mrjive> tseng: where can i find doc about xresprobe? if i launch it: Driver must be specified.
[03:28] <xukun> mwh_: try alsaconf
[03:28] <jdub> mrjive: what kind of card do you have?
[03:29] <Treenaks> mwh_: what does dmesg say? /proc/interrupts?
[03:29] <vincent> Thank you Seek187 !!!!
[03:29] <Treenaks> mwh_: what kind of motherboard?
[03:29] <vincent> ;)
[03:29] <seek187> vincent, np :)
[03:29] <mrjive> jdub: i'm trying it on another machine now... i was just testing how it works
[03:29] <vincent> MUSIC!!!!
[03:29] <vincent> :D
[03:29] <jdub> mrjive: what's your video card?
[03:30] <mrjive> jdub: anyway the videocard i have to use it is a ati 9200
[03:30] <jdub> mrjive: ok, type 'xresprobe radeon'
[03:30] <jdub> if you have the proprietary driver installed,
[03:30] <daniels> 'sudo xresprobe radeon'
[03:30] <jdub> 'xresprobe fglrx'
[03:30] <daniels> jdub: ... even if he does
[03:30] <jdub> yeah, sudo helps )
[03:30] <jdub> ;)
[03:30] <daniels> jdub: sudo xresprobe radeon is still good
[03:30] <jdub> daniels: oh? handy
[03:30] <mrjive> jdub: do you know ati radeon 9200 to work fine with ati video drivers?
[03:31] <jdub> they do
[03:31] <mrjive> jdub: i did not find radeon among modules, only ati or vesa ,,,
[03:31] <mrjive> i mean proprietary drivers
[03:33] <daniels> jdub: yeah
[03:34] <daniels> jdub: it's just used if you need to do a panel probe or something equally non-ddc that involves starting x
[03:34] <daniels> jdub: something you can do without 3d ;)
[03:34] <daniels> mrjive: yeah, it works fine with the proprietary drivers, but also works fine with the free driver called 'ati'
[03:35] <mrjive> daniels: but with ati it has no 3d...?!
[03:35] <mrjive> ehi mako :)
[03:35] <daniels> mrjive: should work fine
[03:36] <mwh_> xukun, I dont have alsaconf installed it seems
[03:36] <mrjive> another thing: my HD seems to go to sleep very very often... can i disable this?
[03:36] <Treenaks> mwh_: alsaconf is deprecated, hotplug should load everything
[03:36] <Treenaks> mwh_: try booting with noapic
[03:36] <mwh_> Treenaks, I will
[03:37] <mwh_> Treenaks, how can I find out what motherboard im using .. is it the chipset you want?
[03:37] <mwh_> Treenaks, its from ati thats for sure
[03:38] <xukun> I can see a lot of info after doing pnpdump but I dont know which modules to use for my sound and network cad
[03:38] <Treenaks> mwh_: paste the output of lspci -v on pastebin.com
[03:38] <Treenaks> xukun: those shuold have loaded automatically
[03:39] <Zimpee_t> so
[03:39] <mrjive> Elwood: :P
[03:39] <Elwood> yes
[03:39] <Elwood> me
[03:39] <xukun> Treenaks: I have no sound and my second 3com network card is not there?
[03:39] <mwh_> Treenaks, it should be posted now
[03:40] <Treenaks> xukun: IRQ problems?
[03:40] <Treenaks> mwh: it seems to be on irq 169
[03:40] <mwh_> pci -v Fri 12th Nov 14:39
[03:40] <mwh_> aha
[03:40] <Treenaks> mwh_: so maybe the ati driver is broken for those APIC-interrupt-stuff things
[03:41] <xukun> Treenaks: cat /proc/interrupts does not show anything
[03:41] <mwh_> Treenaks, same as cardbus
[03:41] <xukun> is reboot reeded after installing isapnptools
[03:41] <Treenaks> mwh_: ah it's a laptop?
[03:41] <mwh_> Treenaks, yes
[03:41] <Treenaks> xukun: you don't need isapnptools anymore, that's 2.2 kernel work
[03:41] <Treenaks> xukun: new drivers should just hotplug
[03:42] <Treenaks> mwh_: ah.. ok
[03:42] <Treenaks> mwh_: those are notoriously harder.. don't know :(
[03:42] <Zimpee_t> i have tried to install mplayer with Gui, ./configure --enable-gui says:  ... Checking for GUI ... yes Error: PNG support required for GUI compilation, please install libpng and libpng-dev packages... But they are installed. but have different versions. i tried to install each, it said, that it will remove 450mb, the whole system i think. I can do nothing. help
[03:42] <mwh_> Treenaks, is there something I should take care of then?
[03:42] <xukun> Treenaks: that is what everybody is saying but then where is my sound card and network which are onboard?
[03:43] <Treenaks> mwh_: try booting with noapic
[03:43] <mwh_> ok bbl
[03:43] <xukun> Treenaks: its an old p3 system
[03:43] <Treenaks> xukun: what does 'lspnp' tell you?
[03:43] <Treenaks> xukun: does it show the cards?
[03:43] <xukun> Treenaks: sec
[03:44] <Treenaks> uh
[03:46] <Zimpee_t> somebody? mplayer?
[03:48] <Treenaks> Zimpee_t: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:49] <ironwolf> Zipmpee_t: I hear mplayer is in multiverse, though I haven't apt-get'd it yet.
[03:49] <Zimpee_t> apt-get doesn't work i think
[03:50] <Zimpee_t> ironwolf, synaptic can't see it
[03:51] <Zimpee_t> Treenaks, i can't see help for this problem
[03:51] <Treenaks> Zimpee_t: it explains how to install mplayer.
[03:51] <Treenaks> Zimpee_t: really, reat it.
[03:53] <ironwolf> In Hoary if I don't have ACPI does it mean I can't get the battery monitor (laptop)?
[03:53] <Kal_Zakath> yeah
[03:53] <Treenaks> ironwolf: yes
[03:54] <stodge> Anyone aware of an Ubuntu package for wxGlade?
[03:54] <ironwolf> treenaks: thanks.
[03:54] <mwh_> umh pci=noacpi did not help?
[03:54] <mwh_> neither did noacpi
[03:54] <Treenaks> acpi != apic
[03:55] <Treenaks> it's noapic or pci=noacpi
[03:55] <stodge> noapic nolapic?
[03:55] <Zimpee_t> Treenaks, can you show me, where they solve my problem?
[03:56] <mwh_> Treenaks, eh I did a pci=noacpi I think
[03:56] <Treenaks> Zimpee_t: "How do I install DVDCSS/etc. or other legally questionable packages?"
[03:56] <mwh_> Treenaks, and one just with noacpi
[03:56] <Treenaks> mwh_: pci=noacpi is not the same as noapic.. try booting with noapic nolapic
[03:56] <Treenaks> mwh_: "a p i c" vs "a c p i"
[03:57] <mwh_> nolapic?
[03:57] <spiritz> I messed up with synaptic and hoary updates. Grub do not find my kernel anymore. How can I go back in my system to reinstall the kernel properly? I tried to type 'rescue' with warty's cd but nothing happens. What would u do?
[03:58] <stodge> noapic disables "buggy APIC" code apparently, and is sometimes recommended when trying to install with older or fussier hardware. THat's what I read anyway!
[03:58] <Treenaks> mwh_: it disables the local apic as well
[03:58] <Treenaks> mwh_: wikipedia has definitions if you want them
[03:59] <mwh_> Treenaks, okay so its liek this noapic nolapic
[03:59] <mwh_> not pci=noapic
[03:59] <Treenaks> mwh_: yes
[03:59] <mwh_> ok ill try
[03:59] <clee> mako_: so the CDs are here
[03:59] <clee> mako_: and they are indeed sexy
[04:00] <jujimufu> hey
[04:00] <jujimufu> i have a problem with ubuntu.
[04:00] <Treenaks> clee: they've arrived? where on the planet are you? :)
[04:00] <clee> Treenaks: Westford, MA, USA
[04:00] <Treenaks> clee: USA would've been enough :)
[04:00] <Zimpee_t> Treenaks, it doesn't mean any in connection with gui and libpng. and the trouble is that i have different versions of libpng and libpng-dev
[04:00] <Treenaks> clee: anyway.. I hope my CDs will be there as well (.nl)
[04:00] <jujimufu> I can't install it.
[04:00] <jujimufu> I can't install ubuntu linux 4.10
[04:00] <Treenaks> Zimpee_t: you wanted mplayer right?
[04:00] <Zimpee_t> Treenaks, yes
[04:00] <Treenaks> jujimufu: please be more specific
[04:01] <jujimufu> it stops at 40%
[04:01] <jujimufu> It didn't actually stop, but it wouldn't continue.
[04:01] <spiritz> None of you is able to help me with my kernel? I'm clueless
[04:01] <jujimufu> It was still, at 40% for about 3 hours...
[04:01] <stodge> CAn anyone view the Ubuntuforums site properly? All I see is HTML code and not the site contents.
[04:01] <spiritz> jujimufu : you should check the cdrom integrity with md5 files
[04:02] <daniels> stodge: works for me
[04:02] <jujimufu> i got the cdrom from a magazine.
[04:02] <xukun> ok this are my network card and sound card: Crystal WDM Audio
[04:02] <stodge> Hmmm odd
[04:02] <spiritz> swith to the console with ctrl+alt+f1/2/3/4/... and look what's being installed
[04:02] <spiritz> and what's the error
[04:03] <spiritz> Is there no "rescue" mode in Ubuntu?
[04:03] <mwh_> nolapic and noapic, did not make a difference :(
[04:03] <jujimufu> i dunno.
[04:03] <mwh_> alsa still cant find my snd-card
[04:03] <Kamion> jujimufu: 40% of what?
[04:03] <Kamion> jujimufu: i.e. what dialog?
[04:03] <mwh_> spiritz, yes I think there is
[04:03] <jujimufu> So, after I find the exact error ,what should I do?
[04:03] <mwh_> spiritz, linux single
[04:03] <spiritz> mwh_ : how do you get use it?
[04:03] <Kamion> jujimufu: tell me what it is
[04:03] <stodge> Damn I must have screwed up my file associations in Konq
[04:04] <mwh_> spiritz, when yoiu but up you can boot into single mode
[04:04] <Kamion> spiritz: not really unfortunately
[04:04] <spiritz> mwh_ : then I should type linux single in grub configuration ?
[04:04] <George^Deka> Hi all
[04:05] <Kamion> spiritz: as said, there's a recovery mode once you have an installed system (press Escape, you'll see it on the menu); using the CD as a rescue disk is *possible* but really requires you to be an installer part-expert
[04:05] <mwh_> Treenaks, do you have some good ideas I could try out?
[04:05] <jujimufu> 40% of the installation.
[04:05] <jujimufu> the one called "installing the ubuntu base"
[04:05] <jujimufu> or something like that.
[04:05] <Kamion> you mean "Installing the Ubuntu base system"
[04:06] <Kamion> jujimufu: alt-f3 should show you what it's currently doing
[04:06] <erik> hey, is the warty X server capable of non-cloned dualhead?
[04:06] <Kamion> and what's the text below the progress bar? it should say "unpacking <package name>" or something similar
[04:06] <erik> I'm having a bitch of a time getting it going
[04:06] <erik> on a dual-head matrox g400
[04:06] <spiritz> Kamion : ok thanks for ur answer. I saw the Recovery Mode in the grub list but since I broke the kernel it won't start neither (it says it can't find the kernel file). Is there a tutorial somewhere to get in the rescue mode with the CD?
[04:07] <mjr> erik, it is
[04:07] <spiritz> erik : sure, it's XFREE.
[04:07] <erik> hm
[04:07] <mwh_> spiritz, I think ubuntu should have added a rescue target to grub
[04:07] <erik> I'm using a config file from a debian box that had dualhead working :/
[04:07] <mjr> erik, if you're still around in an hour or two, I can send you my old dual-head G450 config for reference
[04:07] <erik> mjr: that'd be pretty sweet
[04:07] <George^Deka> trying to install warty when i am booting into the second step i get the following errors:   modprobe: FATAL: error inserting pciehp (path to pciehp.ko) Operation not permitted   - modprobe: FATAL: error inserting shpchp (path to shpchp.ko) Operation not permitted
[04:08] <erik> I'll probably clobber it into working before then but if not I'll be desperate :)
[04:08] <mwh_> spiritz, try knoppix
[04:08] <mjr> or well, just gimme an e-mail address and I'll send it when I get where the box is
[04:08] <mjr> yea, can't hurt to have a backup ;)
[04:08] <spiritz> mwh_ : as a rescue boot disk?
[04:08] <erik> msg sent
[04:08] <Kamion> spiritz: approximately: run through the installer UI up to the *beginning* of the partitioning stage (at which point nothing has yet been written to the disk), switch to tty2, create whatever mount points you want, mount the partitions you want, chroot into them
[04:09] <spiritz> Kamion : awesome, thank you I'll that
[04:10] <spiritz> do that
[04:10] <George^Deka> Can anyone please shead any light on my issue
[04:10] <George^Deka> trying to install warty when i am booting into the second step i get the following errors:   modprobe: FATAL: error inserting pciehp (path to pciehp.ko) Operation not permitted   - modprobe: FATAL: error inserting shpchp (path to shpchp.ko) Operation not permitted
[04:10] <stvn> George^Deka: nothing to worry about
[04:11] <George^Deka> well it wont boot past that
[04:11] <stvn> odd
[04:11] <Treenaks> George^Deka: it could take some time to go past that
[04:12] <George^Deka> its been sitting there for like 5 minutes
[04:12] <Kamion> George^Deka: boot in the way I mentioned to spiritz above, add those two modules to /etc/hotplug/blacklist in the filesystem you just installed
[04:12] <George^Deka> ill reboot it, this time may have been in recovery mode hoping that might get it
[04:13] <Kamion> oh, you can boot with init=/bin/sh too
[04:13] <mwh_> spiritz, yes
[04:13] <mwh_> bbl
[04:18] <George^Deka> Kamion: how do i boot with init=/bin/sh
[04:21] <spiritz> press E when you see grub
[04:21] <Kamion> George^Deka: get to the grub menu (press Escape to do that if necessary), move the cursor to the Ubuntu option, press e, follow the on-screen instructions to edit the kernel command line, add " init=/bin/sh" to the end, press b to boot
[04:21] <George^Deka> so i edit the kernel line
[04:22] <spiritz> ye
[04:22] <spiritz> s
[04:22] <spiritz> Kamion : I made it and mounted the partition. Now you told me 'chroot' into them, I didn't get that, what does that mean?
[04:26] <George^Deka> Kamion: how do i get the permisions to edit the blacklist file ?
[04:28] <spiritz> sudo vi blacklist?
[04:29] <George^Deka> did not seem to work spiritz cause i have not got passed the 2nd stage
[04:30] <xukun> why cant I do alsaconf in ubuntu?
[04:31] <Gwildor> anyone here today?
[04:36] <Kamion> George^Deka: you're root, you should have them already. make sure the partition is mounted read-write ('mount -n -o remount,rw /')
[04:36] <Kamion> spiritz: well, it kinda depends what kind of rescue task you're trying to perform ...
[04:36] <dewey> Gwildor: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx we all sleeping
[04:40] <George^Deka> Kamion: thanks for that but it still gets no where - now the last thing i see is hotplug
[04:41] <lemsx1> hello all
[04:41] <George^Deka> Now when booting i get nothing after starting hotplug
[04:43] <mirak> I just realised that the ati drivers where removed because they depends of Xfree86
[04:43] <mirak> can this drivers work with xorg ? or is it just a dependcies problem ?
[04:46] <mjr> probably a dep problem
[04:48] <mirak> mjr: you mean I can fix the deps from the source package ?
[04:49] <mrjive> is there a way to know if cds i ordered have already been shipped?
[04:50] <eclipse> anyone knows the password to su?
[04:50] <mirak> eclipse: sudo -s
[04:51] <mirak> eclipse: or sudo passwd root
[04:51] <eclipse> i know but i'm trying to run k3bsetup and it wants the password to su
[04:51] <Kamion> eclipse: it'd be pretty silly of us to ship a distribution with a default root password that everyone knew, wouldn't it? :)
[04:51] <daniels> eclipse: so run 'sudo k3bsetup'
[04:51] <Kamion> eclipse: there isn't one unless you set it yourself.
[04:51] <daniels> eclipse: but run 'touch ~/.ICEauthority' first
[04:52] <eclipse> ok thnx
[04:53] <eclipse> daniels, what does "touch ~/.ICEauthority" do?
[04:53] <mirak> is someone good in autmount ?
[04:53] <deFrysk> man touch
[04:53] <daniels> eclipse: it will make your desktop actually work and let you log in after you've run sudo k3bsetup
[04:54] <daniels> provided you run it before you run sudo k3bsetup
[04:57] <eclipse> by the way, anyone knows if there's a patch for Flash?
[04:59] <spacey`ki> eclipse, what kind of patch?
[05:00] <eclipse> well, flash is jerky when i try to run a game
[05:02] <eclipse> try this game and see what happens http://www.totebo.com/monkeylander/lander.html
[05:04] <George^Deka> i stuffed up installing the packages, does anyone know what packages get installed on the standard system - is there a meta-package to install
[05:04] <noda> I installed xcompmgr from http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xcompmgr. Now my X (on an ATI Radeon mobility 9000) runs very slowly. Is there anything I can do?
[05:05] <noda> Oh, and how do I get drop-shadows? :)
[05:06] <ironwolf> for irda support, I modprobe irda ircomm ircomm-tty, then I was trying to irdadummp to find my palm and it's not finding anything. hints/howto?
[05:06] <daniels> noda: um, you can rewrite X's acceleration architecture to make it quick
[05:06] <daniels> short of that, nothing
[05:07] <eclipse> how come i can't install kcontrol?
[05:08] <noda> daniels: Damn :(. Would it be better if ATI's binary drivers worked with x.org?
[05:10] <supos> uhm, anyone know what's the deal with Gnoppix and the Ubuntu live cd?
[05:11] <ironwolf> supos: huh?
[05:13] <supos> ironwolf: yeah, on the gnoppix page it says that gnoppix is based on ubuntu lcd, and that gnoppix and ubuntu is working together
[05:16] <eclipse> how do u disable some of the start-up processes?
[05:17] <ironwolf> ubuntu live cd = gnoppix currently for all intents and purposes.
[05:17] <agenteo> is there a translation tool (or plugin) in Ubuntu? Like a babelfish... but on my desktop
[05:17] <xuzo> hi
[05:17] <xuzo> there is any ubuntu live cd for ppc arch?
[05:17] <daniels> noda: nope
[05:18] <lamont_r> xuzo: patches welcome. :-)
[05:18] <lamont_r> xuzo: seriously though, I understand that's a feature goal for hoary
[05:18] <daniels> noda: aside from the fact the 9200 isn't a screamingly quick card, using Composite guarantees you the slowest possible path through X's acceleration architecture
[05:19] <xuzo> lamont: i have access to some g3/g4/g5 ppc machines
[05:19] <xuzo> lamont_r: some to "tool" to build it?
[05:19] <lamont_r> xuzo: that'd be the part that needs to be hashed out, I believe.
[05:19] <VoodooTux> sorry in advance for lowering the level of discussion in here, but does Ubuntu install with a default root password, or have I just entered a root password at some point and then forgotten about it?
[05:19] <lamont_r> the actual packages are the same as the ones on the install CD
[05:20] <ironwolf> VoodooTux: ubuntu disables root by default, it uses sudu.
[05:20] <xuzo> lamont_r: are you on development team?
[05:20] <VoodooTux> how do i make use of sudu?
[05:21] <lamont_r> xuzo: yes
[05:21] <lamont_r> ironwolf: sudo, dammit
[05:21] <eclipse> how do u disable some of the start-up processes?
[05:21] <ironwolf> VoodooTux "sudo command to be run" or "sudo -s"
[05:21] <noda> daniels: Oh, I was under the impression Composite was meant to make things fast and pretty :)
[05:21] <xuzo> lamont_r: then if I can build some CD, can I contact you?
[05:21] <spiritz> is there an ATI video card owner using X.org around?
[05:21] <VoodooTux> ok, thanks guys
[05:21] <noda> spiritz: Aye. Works great except when xcompmgr is installed :)
[05:21] <lamont_r> I'm not actually the liveCD guy, but I am the buildd guy...
[05:22] <spiritz> noda : which ati driver driver are u using?
[05:22] <lamont_r> so the liveCD build process will eventually run on "my" machines.
[05:22] <noda> spiritz: Whatever the default is
[05:22] <arthurr> X.org crashed on my 9200
[05:22] <ironwolf> shouldn't buildd generate the LiveCD? ;)
[05:22] <xuzo> lamont_r: ok, next week I will try to do some tests
[05:22] <spiritz> noda : well, I tried to get one from ATI.com but it seems that they only support XFREE
[05:23] <noda> spiritz: I don't use hardware acceleration. X.org's 2d drivers are fine
[05:23] <spiritz> hehe ok, since I paid for a nice video card I'd like to use it a little bit
[05:23] <xuzo> noda: I have an ati card, and new features like shadows seems to be very slow without 3d accel
[05:24] <lamont_r> ironwolf: that's why I build it... :-)
[05:24] <noda> xuzo: How do you make shadows show up? :)
[05:24] <xuzo> noda: xcompmng
[05:24] <xuzo> xcompmgr sorry
[05:24] <noda> xuzo: I installed it but I see now shadows (and it's very slow)
[05:24] <spiritz> xuzo : so you've been unable to install ATI drivers too?
[05:25] <noda> spiritz: Those won't work until ATI releases them.
[05:25] <xuzo> spiritz: yes, drives compile, but X.org crashes
[05:25] <xuzo> they say something like: incompatible module
[05:25] <sanitario> *whine* when is the ubuntu-calendar-november due?
[05:26] <spiritz> damn Ati sucks, because of their stupid policy I must stick to Xfree or get a slow xwindow with X.org
[05:26] <hussein> hello
[05:26] <Despair> ATI claims they'll have xorg support in their next release.
[05:26] <hussein> is anyone around?
[05:26] <spiritz> Despair : how long ago did they claim that?
[05:26] <hussein> I have a comment about ubuntu's installation process...
[05:26] <Despair> spiritz: yesterday.
[05:26] <spiritz> sounds good
[05:27] <hussein> I was wondering if any developers were here...
[05:27] <spiritz> Does ati release new drivers every week or so like nvidia detonators?
[05:27] <hussein> and...uhm....
[05:27] <wasabi> ubuntu is awesome. period.
[05:27] <hussein> but...
[05:27] <Despair> spiritz: They've not done a great job of living up to claims, particularly about their OpenGL support. So as usual, it's a wait and see.
[05:27] <Despair> spiritz: no, about every 1-2 months.
[05:27] <stvn> hussein: there are, but if you really want you comment to be heard it's better to file a bug
[05:27] <Kamion> hussein: yes?
[05:28] <hussein> well, I was installing ubuntu on a pc on my uni LAN
[05:28] <hussein> and I only have a 10.x.x.x IP
[05:28] <hussein> when asking whether I wanted to download stuff from the internet
[05:28] <hussein> It didn't ask me whether I wanted to use a proxy for apt
[05:28] <hussein> debian doesn't do this
[05:29] <hussein> so it just hung
[05:29] <xuzo> lamont_r: packages in x86 liveCD have any tweak for... laptop support ?
[05:29] <hussein> I guess it tried to do an apt download
[05:29] <Kamion> hussein: yeah, there are some proxy glitches, there are some bug filed about it
[05:29] <Kamion> bugs
[05:29] <lamont_r> hussein: if you cannot talk to archive.ubuntu.com, then it asks for a proxy, or should
[05:30] <hussein> well it was taking an awfully long time to timeout...
[05:30] <Kamion> hussein: I suggest running at a lower debconf priority level
[05:30] <lamont_r> xuzo: don't think they do
[05:30] <hussein> Kamion, uhm, how?
[05:30] <Kamion> backing up to the second stage main menu should do it, I imagine
[05:30] <eclipse> can u install .rpm files under ubuntu?
[05:30] <Kamion> eclipse: not directly; use alien
[05:30] <eclipse> alien?
[05:31] <lamont_r> apt-get install alien
[05:31] <Kamion> hussein: I think the problem is that whoever configured your network made things timeout rather than just rejecting them, which basically sucks
[05:31] <eclipse> how come there's no mplayer in ubuntu?
[05:31] <Kamion> lamont_r: it's installed by default
[05:31] <lamont_r> eclipse: hoary multiverse
[05:31] <Kamion> eclipse: we prefer not to get sued
[05:31] <lamont_r> Kamion: ah, even better
[05:32] <xuzo> last question :P, can ubuntu install directly on a firewire disk?
[05:32] <hussein> Kamion : my whole network sucks, as do my sysadmins, though there is little I can do with either
[05:32] <eclipse> lol...thanx lamont_r
[05:32] <Kamion> hussein: unfortunately we lost the proxy battle to the "thou shalt have fewer installer questions" rule :)
[05:33] <Kamion> xuzo: not on powerpc, because yaboot's ofpath program doesn't understand them; not sure about other architectures
[05:34] <xuzo> ok
[05:34] <hussein> sigh
[05:34] <hussein> it sucks to have third-world internet
[05:34] <arthurr> Is there an way to integrate the computer menu into the applications menu? I have a small screen and it takes up a unnecessary big part of my only panel
[05:34] <hussein> debian pretty much dies on sucky internet
[05:34] <Kamion> we'll try to fix that proxy bug for hoary, it's an annoying one
[05:35] <scumle1> does anybody know how to setup an aztech1008 sound card?
[05:36] <scumle1> any guide? help? advice?
[05:36] <sanitario> Kamion: do you know anything about when ubuntu-calender-november will appear?
[05:36] <Kamion> sanitario: I thought it already had
[05:37] <sanitario> Kamion: hm... weirdness...
[05:37] <Kamion> sanitario: note that addressing individual developers about stuff you don't know to be in their sphere of interest is generally a bad idea, though :)
[05:37] <Kamion> sanitario: I think it's in warty-updates, which may not be in your sources.list by default
[05:37] <sanitario> Kamion: yeah, I know, sorry
[05:38] <sanitario> Kamion: oh, thanks for the tip
[05:39] <eclipse> anyone in here knows a lot about mplayer?
[05:39] <hussein> eclipse, I do
[05:40] <eclipse> great
[05:40] <hussein> (hehe, well, not "a lot")
[05:40] <hussein> but I'll try to help
[05:40] <eclipse> ok, i have amd cpu and when i run mplayer it says 3DNow is supported but disabled
[05:40] <eclipse> how to i enable it?
[05:40] <hussein> how'd you compile it
[05:41] <eclipse> ok, how do i do it?
[05:41] <hussein> did you get the binary from someone?
[05:41] <hussein> or did you compile it yourself?
[05:41] <eclipse> no i got the binary thru apt-ge
[05:41] <hussein> oh
[05:41] <eclipse> apt-get
[05:41] <hussein> then it won't optimize for your cpu
[05:42] <eclipse> cause i want full performance out of mplayer
[05:42] <eclipse> so i should download the source and compile it?
[05:42] <lamont_r> eclipse: actually, if you have a P4 machine, warty multiverse has an mplayer that'll work.  any other i386 cpu, and well, life sucks
[05:43] <maz1977> hi all
[05:43] <eclipse> damn...that suc
[05:43] <eclipse> sucks
[05:43] <maz1977> shuld I post some questions?
[05:43] <eclipse> well, can u enable it in the conf file?
[05:43] <lamont_r> eclipse: that was what got fixed in hoary. :-(
[05:43] <hussein> well eclipse, you can compile it yourself
[05:44] <eclipse> ok
[05:44] <eclipse> maybe i should do that
[05:44] <lamont_r> probably best
[05:44] <eclipse> can u give the command to compile it for amd cpu?
[05:44] <hussein> uhmmmmm
[05:44] <hussein> unpack the source
[05:44] <eclipse> ok
[05:44] <hussein> ./configure --help should show you the options available
[05:44] <WW> maz1977: Just ask
[05:45] <hussein> usually you'll want --enable-gui
[05:45] <eclipse> ok
[05:45] <hussein> ./configure --enable-gui
[05:45] <hussein> there are others too, you might want to look at
[05:45] <hussein> after that it's just make and make install
[05:46] <Gavrila> hi there
[05:46] <maz1977> It's the first time I use a debian dist, I work with redhat normally
[05:46] <Chewie> Hi
[05:46] <maz1977> I have some question about debian packages
[05:46] <scumle1> maz1977: and how do you feel?
[05:47] <scumle1> maz1977: I mean, how are you managing it?
[05:47] <Gavrila> how would you set up your home email system having many accounts to deal with, and only one pc for everyday use?
[05:47] <Chewie> Do you know if the X.org packages work on a Debian sid?
[05:48] <maz1977> I'm try to find where files are
[05:48] <scumle1> maz1977: for example?
[05:49] <aitrus> will the nVidia drivers be updated for Warty?
[05:49] <Kamion> nothing will be updated for warty apart from security fixes
[05:49] <maz1977> list of installed packages?
[05:50] <scumle1> maz1977: I think you should install Aptitude package, it will help you
[05:51] <maz1977> ok. right. Install aptitude. mmm how? apt-get install aptitude?
[05:51] <mustang03> Hello all...quick ubuntu question: With the default apache2 install, what config file has the redirect to /apache2-default?
[05:51] <scumle1> obviously :-)
[05:51] <Kamion> maz1977: aptitude is installed by default.
[05:51] <scumle1> marvellous
[05:51] <scumle1> maz1977: just run aptitude, then
[05:52] <mustang03> I want to access the root of my server at http://localhost/ but it redirects to http://localhost/apache2-default/ and I can't find the config file that points to that
[05:52] <maz1977> ok find
[05:52] <WW> In gFTP, is the "FTP" protocol actually secure FTP?  I.e. like running sftp from the command line?
[05:52] <bratsche> We keep getting all these non-1.0 updates for Firefox.
[05:52] <Kamion> it's in Debian, so shouldn't take long now
[05:53] <scumle1> mustang03: I think it was in httpd.conf, if I'm not wrong
[05:53] <bratsche> All these 0.99+PR1.0 versions are really broken on amd64.  That's why I want the 1.0 release.
[05:53] <Kamion> they've been working fine for me on amd64
[05:53] <maz1977> scumle1: I have download a .deb file. How can I install it?
[05:53] <Kamion> is there a particular fix in 1.0 you know about?
[05:54] <mustang03> scum...I checked there....in apache2, httpd.conf is only a placeholder
[05:54] <mustang03> any other thoughts?
[05:54] <bratsche> I've been told that 1.0 doesn't have all these amd64 crashers.
[05:54] <scumle1> maz1977: dpkg -i package.deb
[05:54] <bratsche> I guess I could just install from tarball and find out.
[05:54] <tmp> anybody having problems listening to radio on rhythmbox?
[05:54] <bratsche> tmp: Yes.
[05:55] <maz1977> scumle1: thanks
[05:55] <scumle1> ;-)
[05:55] <bratsche> tmp: Rhythmbox just freezes, yes?
[05:55] <tmp> bratsche: yeah m8
[05:55] <WW> Anybody?  gFTP = secure FTP?
[05:55] <tmp> bratsche: is there any fix for that?
[05:56] <bratsche> tmp: I don't know yet.
[05:56] <xuzo> WW: with secure FTP are you telling sftp?
[05:56] <bratsche> tmp: Are you on x86 or amd64?
[05:56] <maz1977> ALL: why root is disabled?
[05:56] <Kamion> bratsche: we support three architectures, not just two ... :)
[05:56] <Kamion> maz1977: see the FAQ
[05:56] <tmp> bratsche: ubuntu-ppc
[05:56] <WW> xuzo: I'm using gFTP, and it has an FTP option. I'd like to know if that is "secure" FTP, like running sftp from the command line.
[05:57] <bratsche> Sorry.
[05:57] <mustang03> Has anyone managed to remove the redirect to /apache2-default?
[05:57] <Kamion> sftp really doesn't have much to do with FTP
[05:57] <xuzo> WW: nautilus can use sftp protocol
[05:57] <tmp> bratsche: thx anyways, atleast i'm not just me
[05:58] <WW> I guess my question is about gFTP.  Is the FTP protocol in gFTP secure?
[05:58] <bratsche> tmp: I'll try to ask around.
[05:59] <Xenguy> WW: AFAIK gftp has a secure 'sftp' option - but you should get a 2nd opinion on this to make sure :-)
[06:00] <bratsche> tmp: Someone told me there was an issue with this, but they thought it turned out to be gnome-vfs related.
[06:01] <tmp> bratsche: cheers m8. is there beep, the xmms gtk2, available? i don't know its pkg name
[06:01] <Kamion> beep-media-player I think
[06:02] <tmp> aha, cheers buddy.
[06:04] <bratsche> I'm getting debugging information to the rhythmbox guys to see if they can help us out here.
[06:04] <[Miles] > hi
[06:05] <Telep> I'm trying to install Monkey Journal (from source), and the configure script complains that it cannot find "pygtk-2.0"... what can I do? I checked that the python-gtk stuff should be installed
[06:05] <tmp> bratsche: nice, can i help in anyway?
[06:06] <bratsche> I got a gdb bt now and I'm trying to figure out what to do with it.
[06:07] <bratsche> Like who to send it to or whatever.
[06:08] <scumle1> Telep: and it's the right version? the one that your source package is looking for?
[06:10] <tmp> bratsche: i 'm looking through the bugzilla now ...
[06:10] <bratsche> Anything interesting?
[06:11] <tmp>  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140355
[06:13] <maz1977> who needs help to apache2 default?
[06:14] <NanoTek> re
[06:16] <tmp> bratsche: i think its a gstreamer related problem , rhythmbox has problems syncing with an online radio playlist
[06:17] <bratsche> tmp: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156789 might be the same bug we are experiencing.
[06:17] <tmp> bratsche: i would look into the code if i could , but ... :P all those C programs scare the hell outta me :P
[06:17] <bratsche> No, that's not the same bug we have.
[06:17] <wasabi> I'm having a problem with my clcok applet.The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_ClockApplet". Details: Failed to resolve, or exten ... continued
[06:19] <tmp> bratsche: nope , its not the smae
[06:21] <cocaxx> hi
[06:21] <bohrbug> Does anyone have experience using ubuntu as server only? I consider upgrading from Debian Woody
[06:21] <cocaxx> does ubuntu use x.org as the default X?
[06:22] <wasabi> cocaxx: not yet.
[06:22] <cocaxx> wah
[06:22] <cocaxx> okay
[06:22] <wasabi> cocaxx: it is available in Hoary. It's apt-get installable.
[06:22] <wasabi> But, it's not part of Warty.
[06:22] <cocaxx> hmm
[06:22] <tmp> bratsche: i installed streamtuner and beep-media-player, now i can listen to radio , yay
[06:23] <tmp> streamtuner uses xmms by default, but just replace that in preferences
[06:23] <JDahl> bohrbug, I would stick with kernel 2.4 for a server
[06:24] <JDahl> bohrbug, and ubuntu is a great desktop distro - but (in my opinion) debian/testing is better for a server
[06:24] <bohrbug> JDahl: I see, but I have been waiting and waiting for Sarge to come out
[06:24] <scumle1> has anybody been able to setup a aztech1008 sound card?
[06:25] <maz1977> some great software to burn dvd?
[06:25] <bohrbug> JDahl: I could do that of course, just use Testing
[06:25] <Kamion> wasabi: X.org is the default in Hoary, mind you.
[06:25] <tmp> bratsche6666666666666666666666666666666: i installed streamtuner and beep-media-player, now i can listen to radio , yay
[06:26] <tmp> shit , sry
[06:26] <bratsche> tmp: Cool.
[06:26] <bratsche> I'll try it out.
[06:26] <bratsche> I still want to see rhythmbox get fixed, of course.
[06:26] <tmp> bratsche: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153393 . "Bug 153393: Rythmbox crashes when trying to play any radio station"
[06:27] <bratsche> tmp: That is not our bug though.
[06:27] <tmp> yeah??
[06:27] <bratsche> No.
[06:27] <mbb> I noticed that my laptop does a hard disk access every few seconds, even when it's been just sitting for a while. Why, and how do I stop that?
[06:28] <bratsche> tmp: Ours doesn't crash, it freezes.  That's why I thought that other bug (the one that says infinite loop) was ours.
[06:28] <tmp> bratsche: yeah, u r right!
[06:28] <bratsche> tmp: But if you run "rhythmbox -d" then we get different output from the infinite loop bug I posted earlier.  That's how I knew it wasn't ours.
[06:28] <Zugwrack> Guys I used synaptic to install the smp kernel for my G4...dmesg now has this message...device-mapper: error adding target to table
[06:28] <Zugwrack> device-mapper: : dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[06:29] <eclipse> damn it's so easy to compile mplayer under ubuntu
[06:30] <tmp> bratsche: i tried it, it stops here ... "[0x100d8788]  [rb_player_sync_pipeline]  rb-player-gst.c:627 (17:13:50): syncing pipeline, [0x100d8788]  [rb_player_sync_pipeline]  rb-player-gst.c:669 (17:13:50): PAUSING pipeline"
[06:32] <bratsche> tmp: It doesn't actually crash though.  The program is still running, and if you get the PID from ps then you can use gdb to attach to the process.
[06:33] <lamont_r> daniels: hehe - ironwolf wants to have your love child... :-)
[06:33] <Protege6181984> I need help installing Nvidia Nforce drivers
[06:34] <NanoTek> you have a howto on ubuntuforums.org
[06:34] <zez> hello
[06:34] <Protege6181984> ty
[06:35] <NanoTek> Protege6181984, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[06:35] <NanoTek> Section 2
[06:35] <zez> I'm trying to install xcdroast and I can't seem to find it with apt-get.  what is the package called or what is another way to burn a cd?
[06:36] <mbb> has anyone here played with 'gparted' on ubuntu?
[06:38] <Bader> hi
[06:38] <Mirv> any idea if this's a known problem: hda=120GB, hdc=DVD-ROM, hdd=80GB.. hdd gives 30 seconds of errors while booting and mounting /dev/hdd1 hangs. booting from SUSE boot disk (kernel 2.6.5) works fine, as it worked with the SUSE 9.1 over which I installed Ubuntu?
[06:38] <Protege6181984> I need help installing Nvidia NFORCE drivers, the motherboard drivers NOT the video drivers. Can anyone help?
[06:38] <Bader> how to specify to the instal program to use my actual partitions, and only formatting them?
[06:39] <zez> Bader, just delect the partition and it willgive you options as to what you want to do.  It confused me too
[06:39] <zez> select
[06:39] <Mirv> I mean, accessing /dev/hdd(1) works fine with others in non-Ubuntu. Anyway, disconnecting the DVD and placing the 80GB drive to /dev/hdc (master) gets the hdd working again.
[06:40] <Bader> zez: but he says me to delete them...
[06:40] <skar> hi, is there any good rss reader software with minimize to tray feature?
[06:40] <Mirv> it's a bit scary that a hard disk stops working after installing Ubuntu
[06:41] <Mirv> (i'm searching the forums etc. at the same time here)
[06:41] <tmp> zez, apt-get install xcdroast
[06:41] <Bader> zez: thx, I'll try it..
[06:41] <zez> tmp:  I did and it said it doesn't exist
[06:41] <skar> and after changing /etc/environment, how do i apply it without restarting?
[06:41] <zez> Package xcdroast is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:42] <Zugwrack> How do I go about finding out what is causing this output from dmesg? device-mapper: error adding target to table
[06:42] <Zugwrack> zez: Do you have the repository that the file comes from enabled?
[06:42] <Mirv> the errors were things like this: kernel: hdd: status error: status=0x7f { DriveReady DeviceFault SeekComplete DataRequest CorrectedError Index Error }
[06:45] <eclipse> where do i go to get <libpng>?
[06:45] <pdaoust> quick question: does anybody know the environment variable that sets the system's default text editor? I went 'crontab -e' and it brought up VIM, which I'm still completely confused about.
[06:46] <xuzo> pdaoust: EDITOR
[06:46] <pdaoust> xuzo: thanks!
[06:46] <zez> ahhh!!!  i guess that would be universe
[06:46] <LifesizeKenDoll> pdaoust: update-alternatives
[06:46] <pdaoust> eclipse: libpng can be found in the Ubuntu repository
[06:47] <pdaoust> eclipse: it's not called libpng tho; it's called libpng2, libpng3, libpng10-0, and libpng12-0
[06:47] <pdaoust> eclipse: kinda confusing, but hey... ^_^
[06:49] <pdaoust> LifeSizeKenDoll: wow, this is a confusing command. does it allow me to specify an editor like nano instead of vim, or does it just allow me to specify a different location for vim?
[06:49] <pdaoust> LifeSizeKenDoll: (i.e., does the replacement program have to be VI-compatible?)
[06:51] <pdaoust> oho! I see... I took a look in the /etc/alternatives directory and it has a bunhc of symlinks... so I use update-alternatives to change the location of those symlinks, eh?
[06:51] <xuzo> pdaoust: update-alternatives sets the destination of /etc/alternatives/editor symlink, it can be used to set sistem wide editor.
[06:51] <ermo> pdaoust, yes.
[06:51] <pdaoust> funky. thanks for the help!
[06:51] <pdaoust> (new to Debian)
[06:51] <ermo> pdaoust, oooh. In for a treat (and some frustration initially)
[06:52] <Zugwrack> Is there a wiki on getting and installing rythmbox?
[06:52] <ermo> pdaoust, you owe yourself to check the debian documentation. There's a policy document, which gives a lot of background info
[06:52] <pdaoust> ermo: I like it already. Moved from Gentoo, which I stuck with for so long because of its lovely package manager. But after a hard drive crash, I had to get everything up and running as quickly as possible. So I checked out Ubuntu, because it was all the rave and I wanted something apt-based (it was a toss-up between Fedora and Ubuntu)
[06:52] <pdaoust> ermo: I sure like not having to compile my packages ^_^
[06:53] <ermo> pdaoust, funny. Sounds like we have the same pattern of usage.
[06:53] <pdaoust> ermo: really? are you an ex-Gentooer?
[06:53] <ermo> pdaoust, was considering fedora too. Haven't used gentoo for a while...
[06:53] <ermo> pdaoust, yes.
[06:53] <pdaoust> Zugwrack: it does come with the default install of Ubuntu; what sort of problems are you having?
[06:53] <pdaoust> ermo: cool. So why did you choose Ubuntu over Fedora?
[06:54] <Zugwrack> pdaoust: Hmmm..lemme see didn't know it installed default
[06:54] <ermo> pdaoust, I've used debian on my servers for years.
[06:54] <pdaoust> Zugwrack: it's just called 'Music Player' in the GNOME menu.
[06:54] <pdaoust> ermo: so it was just more familiar then.
[06:54] <ermo> pdaoust, i'm used to the layout, the package tools, the administration model.
[06:54] <ermo> pdaoust, in a sense yes.
[06:55] <pdaoust> ermo: so here's another question: why did you choose Ubuntu over, say, MEPIS? (I guess the real question here is: do you prefer GNOME over KDE?)
[06:55] <Zugwrack> pdaoust: Thanks...let me plugin my iPod and see what happens...heh
[06:55] <ermo> pdaoust, I'm a gnomer, yes. Ever since I grasped the vision of gnome2 and the people dedicated to that project, I was a goner.
[06:56] <wasabi> Does synaptic let you add hoary to the repositories, and monitor for upgrades from hoary, for the stuff you installed... but never automatically upgrade warty to hoary?
[06:56] <zez> I'm a longtime black/fluxbox user and switched to KDE a while ago and now want to try gnome.  gnome isn't bad but you can't beat K3B for burning cd's
[06:57] <ermo> pdaoust, guess you could say that the gnome philosophy appeals to me.
[06:57] <Bader> hmm, how force the installer to recognize my partitions?
[06:57] <zez> plus I'm having a hell of a time connecting to my NT server
[06:58] <pdaoust> zez: yep, K3B is still the best
[06:58] <Zugwrack> pdaoust: Have any experince with importing folders with rythmbox using an iPod? I don't see any choices for a device related to the iPod in rythmbox..
[06:59] <pdaoust> ermo: yeah, same here... I like the 'Just Works' philosophy (if I had the money, I'd buy a Mac)... I guess I'm sick and tired of thirteen zillion different tools for the job.
[06:59] <ermo> pdaoust, lol. I could've said that, verbatim.
[06:59] <pdaoust> Zugwrack: gee, I wish I could say I've had the privilege of using an iPod...
[06:59] <pdaoust> Zugwrack: no such luck though ^_^
[07:00] <Zugwrack> pdaoust: Ok
[07:00] <Zugwrack> BTW I love Ubuntu on my mac
[07:01] <pdaoust> Zugwrack: heh, that's cool. what about Mac OS? prefer Ubuntu?
[07:02] <zez> I love my dual 450 G4 mac but the old powermac SUCKS
[07:02] <pdaoust> Zugwrack: ah, so you have Ubuntu instead of Mac OS 8 or 9 or whatever?
[07:02] <pdaoust> (on the PowerBook)
[07:04] <Zugwrack> At this point it is still dual boot...I am a newcomer to debian linux...although I have played with mandrake 10.1 on PC
[07:05] <Zugwrack> I like your previous comments love the "just works" attitude
[07:05] <pdaoust> Zugwrack: yessir. Sometimes you just don't want to be a guru -- you just wanna get your work done.
[07:05] <Zugwrack> PPC installs are a nightmare due to limited development
[07:05] <pdaoust> Zugwrack: yeah, my heart goes out to you. I used to use Gentoo, and their PPC packages would always be a little behind their x86 packages too.
[07:06] <Zugwrack> However...Ubuntu was the easiest install I have ever had on PC or PPC....first impression is that the repository(ies) are quite adequate for my needs
[07:07] <wasabi> What tools are used to build ubuntu stock kernels?
[07:07] <Zugwrack> pdaoust: If you ever do buy a mac you won't want to own a PC :->))
[07:07] <wasabi> I notice they are linux-* and not kernel-*
[07:07] <wasabi> So, it's not kernel-package.
[07:08] <daniels> lamont_r: heh
[07:08] <pdaoust> Zugwrack: yeah, I was impressed with the installation too. It automatically discovered my funky keyboard and screen's default resolution (have a flat panel) and a host of other things... let's see, what really surprised me... it was some exotic piece of hardware
[07:08] <pdaoust> Zugwrack: If I ever do buy a Mac I won't have the money for a PC :-))
[07:08] <foie> hi
[07:09] <foie> how can i make a gnome-panel shortcut for the alt-TAB command?
[07:09] <Zugwrack> pdaoust: Depends on what you buy...if you consider the Mac OS X operating system pretty much has all the tools you need...plus you have the Darwin layer(BSD) so it integrates with Linux just fine...
[07:09] <pdaoust> foie: what sort of shortcut do you want to create?
[07:10] <pdaoust> foie: oh, you just want to remap alt-tab to something else?
[07:10] <foie> yep, to a panel button
[07:10] <xuzo> mmm, the egg-like G3 ppc, blue & grey, are supported?
[07:10] <foie> i installed expoctiy and would like to use it with the mouse, too
[07:10] <pdaoust> Zugwrack: yeah, I'm also really enticed by Objective C and stuff like that
[07:11] <pdaoust> foie: oh boy, I guess first you'd have to remap task switching to something other than alt-tab, otherwise GNOME will complain
[07:11] <pdaoust> foie: what's the panel button you want to remap it to? (does expocity have a panel button?)
[07:11] <rcaskey> hehe, if you ever own a mac, and spend all your time doing *nixy stuff on OS X, you will hate OS X
[07:12] <hypa7ia> hear hear
[07:12] <zez> I just use my mac for editing video of my baby
[07:12] <foie> i c, thats sad, no it replaces the normal task switch with an macosx style sxpose
[07:12] <foie> expose
[07:12] <Badcel> hi, how can i find out if samba is running?
[07:12] <rcaskey> no it doesn
[07:12] <rcaskey> OS X has apple+tab
[07:12] <rcaskey> which is pretty and fully functional
[07:13] <zez> Bad: ps ax | grep smbd
[07:13] <Badcel> thx :)
[07:13] <pdaoust> bloody hell.... I'm trying to edit my crontab file (using vixie-cron, seeing as it's the default cron daemon)... anyone know how to make an entry run every five minutes? I've got */5 * * * * * fetchmail -as but it complains about a misformed entry
[07:13] <pdaoust> foie: sorry, I was thinking about something else. So do you want to remap alt-tab to expocity?
[07:13] <foie> i just wana create a custom panel starter, cant translate it direct, im german
[07:14] <pdaoust> foie: oh, so you want to have alt-tab launch expocity?
[07:14] <Zugwrack> rcaskey: Guess that must be why I am booted into Ubuntu ;-)
[07:14] <pdaoust> foie: now that I don't know how to do... sorry...
[07:15] <foie> it already goes that way, i just wanna have a button or shell command that functions the same way as the alt-tab command
[07:15] <foie> hope that explains it better
[07:15] <foie> are there any shell expressions that simulate this 2 keys
[07:15] <foie> ?
[07:16] <Zugwrack> Anyone feel up to the task of helping me get Sun java installed? I have the .bin downloaded and java-package installed...the wiki used a different method to install it..so I am stuck
[07:16] <hypa7ia> Zugwrack: there are 4 different methods on the wiki, one of them involves the .bin i think
[07:17] <pdaoust> foie: oh!!! I understand
[07:17] <pdaoust> foie: hmmmmmmm...
[07:17] <Zugwrack> hypa7ia: Yes...sorry I wasn't clear...they used a different script to get it converted to .deb
[07:18] <Zugwrack> Which I could not locate..
[07:18] <hypa7ia> oh, darn.  hmm
[07:18] <Bader> is the weekly cd installable?
[07:18] <crimsun> Zugwrack: very quickly, extract the .bin in /usr/local, then create the symlinks in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[07:19] <crimsun> Zugwrack: if you downloaded the jdk instead of the jre, there's one additional step of prepending $JAVA_HOME/bin to your $PATH
[07:19] <Zugwrack> crimsun: No I have jre2*.bin
[07:19] <crimsun> Zugwrack: 1.4.2 or 1.5.0?
[07:19] <Zugwrack> 1.4.2
[07:20] <crimsun> k.
[07:20] <pdaoust> foie: I'm not sure; I was hoping expocity would have some sort of command-line thingy that would make the windows expose... that would be easy, but it doesn't look like it does.
[07:20] <crimsun> Zugwrack: go ahead and extract the .bin in /usr/local
[07:20] <pdaoust> foie: sorry
[07:20] <Zugwrack> crimsun: K wait one..
[07:21] <foie> np, i try my look in reading some manpages, thx
[07:21] <pdaoust> foie: cool
[07:24] <Zugwrack> crimsun: Here is a problem... yes
[07:24] <Zugwrack> Unpacking...Checksumming...Extracting..../j2re-1_4_2_06-linux-i586.bin: line 364: ./install.sfx.21571: cannot execute binary file
[07:25] <Zugwrack> I did it as sudo
[07:25] <Zugwrack> Of course
[07:25] <crimsun> Zugwrack: hmm, odd, since it was marked executable before, correct?
[07:26] <Zugwrack> crimsun: Yes that is true...maybe it got corrupted on the download..don't know...it created the directory though..
[07:27] <Zugwrack> crimsun: Let me try downloading again from Sun..
[07:28] <billytwowilly> acerhk suddenly stopped turning on my wifi card.
[07:28] <billytwowilly> if I rmmod acerhk and I get the error that it is in use how would I find out what is using it and unload it?
[07:38] <ziggy> evolution is broken in hoary
[07:38] <ziggy> how can I revert back to 2.0?
[07:39] <Zugwrack> crimsun:Just dawned on me what is going on...it is setup for i586....since I am running PPC there is a problem executing the binary
[07:40] <Zugwrack> Crud...
[07:41] <Zugwrack> crimsun: thanks for the offer to help though..
[07:41] <brakrl> hey all :-)
[07:41] <ziggy> is their a development channel? maybe that would be a better place to field this question
[07:45] <LifesizeKenDoll> brakrl: hi
[07:46] <brakrl> whats up all?
[07:46] <LifesizeKenDoll> not much here
[07:46] <LifesizeKenDoll> on break between classes
[07:46] <brakrl> same
[07:47] <LifesizeKenDoll> alright
[07:47] <crimsun> Zugwrack: all is not lost. Go to https://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/iwm/web/preLogin.do?source=lxdk and download the jre for PPC
[07:47] <LifesizeKenDoll> where you go to school?
[07:47] <brakrl> Bucknell University, you?
[07:47] <LifesizeKenDoll> Illinois Math and Science Academy
[07:47] <brakrl> cool
[07:47] <LifesizeKenDoll> where is Bucknell?
[07:48] <xaero> hello
[07:49] <LifesizeKenDoll> xaero: hey, man
[07:49] <xaero> anybody know if cedega works in 64bit
[07:49] <xaero> or do i have to run it in a 32bit chroot
[07:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> xaero: never tried it in 64-bit
[07:50] <xaero> okay
[07:50] <xaero> i'm running debian-amd64 now
[07:50] <Zugwrack> crimsun: Already done that... ;-)
[07:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> xaero: I doubt it, as the programs are made for ia32
[07:50] <xaero> i think i'll change to ubuntu due to debian-amd64's crappy support
[07:51] <Zugwrack> crimsun: One thing though the example I am reading is creating the symlink like this...
[07:51] <oddabe19> LifesizeKenDoll, bucknell is in PA
[07:52] <Zugwrack> ln -s ./j2re1.3.1/plugin/ppc/mozilla/javaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[07:52] <Zugwrack> crimsun: Is this correct for firefox?
[07:52] <xaero> LifesizeKenDoll: I have ia32-emulation enabled
[07:52] <LifesizeKenDoll> xaero: ah, ok
[07:52] <Zugwrack> Hell guess I could quit being lazy and check huh? ...
[07:52] <xuzo> where are the md5sum files for isos?
[07:54] <christopher_> hello?
[07:54] <xaero> hi
[07:54] <Zugwrack> crimsun: I made the symlink to firefox-mozilla..that was correct no?
[07:55] <christopher_> wow, it worked
[07:55] <christopher_> never used irc before
[07:55] <bratsche> christopher_: Now you're trapped.. you'll never leave!
[07:56] <christopher_> ah, the same as happend with the knoppix cd and now i'm running mdk and ubuntu?
[07:57] <christopher_> can I start an argument? KDE or Gnome?
[07:58] <christopher_> i'm not sure which i prefer thats all
[07:58] <crimsun> Zugwrack: no, you'll want to use the full path
[07:58] <tom_> not with me ..... kde tries to be all things to all men imho
[07:58] <crimsun> Zugwrack: and make sure you're using the gcc3-compiled version of the plugin
[07:58] <ploum> Hi, anyone in Hoary and testing X.org here ?
[07:58] <crimsun> ploum: yep.
[07:59] <ziggy> ploum I am looking for that help
[07:59] <ploum> crimsun, have you installed transset from the daniel repository ?
[07:59] <crimsun> ploum: no.
[07:59] <ploum> it seems that the package contain no binary and I want to be sure
[07:59] <ziggy> crimsun is their a channel limited to hoary?
[07:59] <crimsun> ziggy: no
[07:59] <tom_> has ayone else had a printing prob such as this? .... it prints fine but never leaves the job queue and i have to delete printed jobs manually to get the next one to print
[07:59] <ploum> ziggy, none, AFAIK
[08:00] <ploum> tom_, never seen that :-(
[08:00] <ploum> ziggy, what's your problem ?
[08:00] <ziggy> ploum Evolution 2.1 in Hoary eats my mail off the pop3 server
[08:01] <ztonzy> hey folks :)
[08:01] <ziggy> I would like to revert back to 2.0 in warty which works
[08:01] <ziggy> Evolution in hoary isn't functioning correctlty
[08:01] <ploum> ziggy, and what's the problem when you try to revert it back ?
[08:01] <ReddoC> Is some one using ubuntu with a nvdia video card ?
[08:01] <ploum> ReddoC, me
[08:01] <crimsun> ReddoC: I am.
[08:02] <christopher_> yup
[08:02] <tom_> yes
[08:02] <ReddoC> and you have no problem ?
[08:02] <tom_> no
[08:02] <ionte> hey, what's up with the dbus-1-dev and dbus-glib-1-dev packages?
[08:02] <crimsun> I have no problems in that regard, no.
[08:02] <ploum> no
[08:02] <christopher_> untill i tried the NVIDIA drivers
[08:02] <ReddoC> I can't install Xfree86 !
[08:02] <crimsun> ReddoC: Warty or Hoary?
[08:02] <ReddoC> Warty
[08:02] <tom_> crimsun .... good distinction :)
[08:02] <ztonzy> ReddoC, I tried to upgrade to nvidia's latest drivers...no luck , all black screen...but 6111 is working
[08:02] <ploum> ReddoC, have you followed the binary install howto on the ubuntu website ?
[08:03] <ziggy> ploum, I just hadn't edited my sources
[08:03] <ReddoC> no, i have installed frome cd live in simple mode and then in expert mode
[08:04] <ReddoC> when it start preconfiguring packages, it block on xserver-xfree86
[08:04] <brakrl> hey all
[08:04] <ploum> ziggy, so it you've downgraded now ?
[08:04] <christopher_> actualy, i do have a slight problem with my gfx, when i'm running @ 1600 (21" monitor) i get white flikers on the screen.
[08:04] <brakrl> im on kernel 2.6.8, and how do i get the kernel-source for that
[08:04] <ploum> But my advise is really to keep Warty
[08:04] <ziggy> ploum, I hear you
[08:05] <ReddoC> What could block the preconfiguring script for Xfree86 ??
[08:05] <ploum> Nobody that must work has to use Hoary ;)
[08:05] <brakrl> cuz apt-get doesnt seem to have the kernel-source for anything past 2.5.7
[08:05] <brakrl> *2.6.7
[08:05] <ziggy> ploum, simple as just editing the sources back to warty
[08:05] <ziggy> and apt-get dist-upgrade?
[08:05] <ziggy> or I am stuck
[08:06] <ziggy> in warty land
[08:06] <ReddoC> i have tried apt-get install xserver-xfree86. and it's blocking
[08:06] <ziggy> i mean hoary land
[08:06] <Ruffian|JANE|> Xorg is better
[08:07] <Swad> how safe is hoary land?  relative to Debian unstable as a compare point
[08:07] <Ruffian|JANE|> Sorry to go off topic, but I would like to know: How many other folks here use Ubuntu and KDE
[08:07] <ziggy> ploum, can I have both dists in the sources list?
[08:08] <ReddoC> Why using ubuntu with kde ?
[08:08] <Ruffian|JANE|> Im using KDE with Ubuntu, I just want to know who else does. P.S.  I love Gnome also!
[08:09] <ploum> ziggy, you can
[08:09] <ploum> and then, check if Default-Release is well set on "Warty" in /etc/apt/apt.conf
[08:12] <tom_> next printing problem .... i cant see the printer on other pcs on my network
[08:12] <ReddoC> Is someone has a problem to install xserver-xfree86 ?! i have already installed many others distrib with no problem ! even with kernel 2.6.8 (suse9.2, Kanotix live cd, ....)
[08:12] <ReddoC> And i can't get over this problem with ubuntu
[08:14] <wasabi> ReddoC: what is the problem?
[08:15] <ReddoC> wasabi: Can't install xserver-xfree !
[08:15] <Cred> Ok, is DVD playing really this hard.. I can't select anything from the menus (Fahrenheit 9/11). I've tried Totem and gxine, both with same problems.
[08:15] <Cred> From the DVD menu
[08:16] <will> Ruffian|JANE|:do you have any problems at all?
[08:16] <neighborlee> what version of SDL does ubuntu use..I can't tell from apt-cache nor synaptic oddly enough which it is..I need to know if itws 1.2.5 or 1.2.6 ???
[08:17] <Ruffian|JANE|> will, nope..... Everything is perfect.  Stable as a metel table
[08:17] <neighborlee> dain i'm not awake yet..please NM last question <doh>
[08:18] <Eblis> hi
[08:18] <Eblis> can i ask some questions here ?
[08:18] <Eblis> about bugs (or what i think are bugs)
[08:18] <pdaous1> hey, all you server gurus out there! any idea how to set up postfix on an MX server?
[08:19] <tom_> is there any reason why the printer would not be accessible from another pc?
[08:19] <pdaous1> My home box is listed as the MX record in my DNS records, and receives any mail sent to my domain...
[08:19] <tom_> .... i have ubuntu on one of them and mandrake 9.2 on the other ....
[08:19] <pdaous1> buuuuut... no messages sent to my domain appear in users' mailboxes.
[08:20] <will> Ruffian|JANE|: can you keep gnome too?
[08:20] <pdaous1> (I'm suspecting I have the interfaces set up wrong in main.cf)
[08:20] <Ruffian|JANE|> will, Ya, I use Gnome alot.  I think I like Gnome and KDE equally
[08:20] <zez> is there a way to search for a package name, if i don't know whats it is?
[08:21] <zez> Ruffian:  what do you use for burning cds in gnome?
[08:21] <pdaous1> zez: are you using apt-get or Synaptic?
[08:22] <zez> apt  whats synaptic?
[08:22] <Ruffian|JANE|> ahahahahahhahaahahah
[08:22] <Eblis> does anyone have a problem where the computer doesn't power down ? when i do a poweroff it does everything it's supposed to do except shut down - it prints acpi_power_off called and then it hangs. I have the same problem in Fedora Core 3
[08:22] <will> Ruffian|JANE|:how big is the KDE install?
[08:22] <Ruffian|JANE|> zez, I use Nautilus for burning CDs,  I prefer K3B
[08:22] <Ruffian|JANE|> will, not sure, its got alot of apps.......
[08:22] <pdaous1> zez: oh, you're in for a treat. If your Ubuntu is set up correctly, go to 'Computer' > System Configuration > Synaptic Package Manager
[08:22] <Ruffian|JANE|> will, a bunch of great apps
[08:22] <pdaous1> zez: it's a graphical front-end to apt-get, and it rocks
[08:22] <zez> ruffian: what about music cds
[08:23] <tom_> synaptic is the gui for apt .... you get to it through Computer/System Configuration .... once there use the search button on program name or description
[08:23] <pdaous1> zez: then you can search in package descriptions as well as names
[08:23] <zez> cool thanks
[08:23] <pdaous1> np!
[08:23] <ReddoC> Eblis, me at work
[08:23] <Ruffian|JANE|> zez, i hear bad things about Ubuntu and CD burning =(
[08:23] <ReddoC> Eblis, don't know why
[08:23] <woody> How do I install Fluxbox in Ubuntu ?
[08:24] <Eblis> i've read a lot of stuff about it lately
[08:24] <pdaous1> wfx: very cool wallpaper. simple and smooth, in the grand tradition of other Ubuntu artwork :)
[08:24] <pdaous1> wfx: you should submit it to gnome-look.org
[08:24] <Eblis> seems it happened to a lot of guys. It may be a kernel thing i think. It occures in newer ones, 2.6.8 or 2.6.9
[08:24] <pdaous1> (so everyone can share the simian goodness)
[08:24] <zez> ruffian: right now it can't find my burner but i really haven't messed with it much
[08:24] <tom_> the biggest prob with cd burning in any distro is not using the pad option .... google coasterless
[08:24] <Eblis> but it worked for me in fedora core 2 (with kernel 2.6.8.1)
[08:25] <woody> Anyone, please give me some ideas for installing Window Managers in Ubuntu ?
[08:25] <ReddoC> Eblis, I have a completly different problem at home, I can't install the xfree86 server :(
[08:26] <pdaous1> woody: no idea; I'm new to Ubuntu myself
[08:26] <ziggy> ploum, apt-get install evolution1.5 won't do anything?
[08:26] <wfx> Eblis, i have fixed it for me maybe it does also work for you:
[08:26] <pdaous1> woody: you could add the debian repositories to your apt repository list.
[08:26] <zez> woody: there should be a package for flux
[08:26] <ziggy> apt-get install evolution will install 2.1
[08:26] <wfx> pdaous1, thx ok i will do :-)
[08:27] <woody> Well can't I just use the commands: apt-get install ....... to install Window Managers ?
[08:27] <brakrl> does anyone know how to get the kernel-source for 2.6.8?
[08:27] <woody> Well I don't know
[08:27] <woody> sorry
[08:28] <Eblis> wft, how did you fix it ?
[08:28] <wfx> Eblis, add in /boot/grub/menu.lst somthing like this http://www.pastebin.com/119246
[08:29] <tom_> brakl http://www.kernel.org/
[08:29] <ploum> ziggy, there's no more evolution 1.5
[08:29] <pdaous1> woody: should be able to.
[08:29] <wfx> Eblis, and add to /etc/modules apm
[08:29] <pdaous1> woody: as long as you have the Ubuntu 'universe' repository turned on
[08:29] <zez> woody: you probaby need to uncomment the additional sources from /etc/apt/sources  i had the same problem installing stuff
[08:29] <wfx> Eblis, thats it.
[08:30] <woody> I can't login from the Login to GNOME using other accounts other than the ROOT account ?
[08:30] <wfx> Eblis, wfx not wft :-)
[08:30] <pdaous1> woody: if you're using Synaptic package manager, it's under 'Settings' > 'Repositories'
[08:30] <wfx> Eblis, again: add in /boot/grub/menu.lst http://www.pastebin.com/119246 and to
[08:31] <woody> It gives an Error indicating that my x-session lasted less than 10 seconds and returns back to the Login Screen
[08:31] <wfx> Eblis, /etc/modules apm
[08:31] <will> question: who here uses a firewall with linux here?
[08:31] <woody> That's for my Office PC
[08:31] <lemsx1> will, firestarter is a very nice easy to use firewall
[08:31] <Eblis> i use a firewall in Fedora core
[08:31] <Riddell> will: depends how much of it you install
[08:31] <will> woody: have you installed/used K3B??
[08:31] <wfx> will, i have a second pc (my for all server) with a firewall
[08:32] <Eblis> i configured the iptables
[08:32] <Riddell> Ruffian|JANE|: I also use KDE with ubuntu
[08:32] <will> ridell: what do you mean?
[08:32] <Eblis> wfx, so what it really does is it disables acpi and installs another module for power management, apm
[08:32] <ziggy> ploum, I know it won't let me revert back to the other evolution 2.0
[08:33] <Riddell> will: how big the KDE install is depends on what you install
[08:33] <ziggy> i thought 1.5 was the dummy package for 2.0
[08:33] <Matt|> anyone know when firefox 1 is coming?
[08:34] <wfx> Eblis, yes it use apm, it works for me(my mainboard) maybe also for you ;-)
[08:34] <xukun> can please anybody tell me why this is: sudo pump -c > /etc/isapnp.conf
[08:34] <xukun> -bash: /etc/isapnp.conf: Permission denied
[08:34] <will> ridell: ahh, sorry thought you were talking about firewalls!! haha
[08:34] <woody> How do I install KDE from Ubuntu ?
[08:34] <Riddell> woody: either use the KDE 3.2 packages in the universe repository or use my packages
[08:35] <Eblis> i don't really know all the functions of acpi. Am i disabling something important, does apm have the same functionality ?
[08:35] <burner> is 'hoary' as bleeding edge as it gets?
[08:35] <xukun> sudo is the only option I have in ubuntu yes, sudo works for everything else except this
[08:35] <Matt|> burner, it is the development tree of ubuntu
[08:35] <Riddell> woody: for KDE 3.3 (required hoary) "deb http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/ubuntu/ unstable main"
[08:35] <will> woody: through synaptic
[08:35] <Eblis> You can make the su command work ;) just open the root terminal and try to change the password
[08:35] <xukun> there is not root in ubuntu or not
[08:35] <xukun> ?
[08:35] <ReddoC> I someone know what can block the installation of xserver-xfree ?
[08:36] <Eblis> this way you can set the root password and you'll be able to login with root from now on (not really a good thing mind you ;) )
[08:36] <xukun> Eblis: was that meant for me?
[08:36] <Eblis> yes xukun
[08:36] <woody> I don't see KDE in synaptic
[08:36] <burner> hrm... ok, just checkin... where can i participate in adding programs to the tree?  ie 'debinstaller' and 'leafpad' and 'gphpedit' and 'coaster' ??
[08:36] <Eblis> and for anyone else interested
[08:37] <Ruffian|JANE|> woody, apt-get install kde or kdebase
[08:37] <will> who uses NANO here to edit?
[08:37] <wfx> Eblis, some info about acpi at http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&oi=defmore&q=define:ACPI
[08:37] <lemsx1> ReddoC, why do you want to do that?
[08:37] <woody> How big is the downloaded files for KDE ?
[08:37] <xukun> Eblis: more help please I,m login a remote ubuntu system, so how can I open a root terminal?
[08:38] <ReddoC> lemsxl, when i try to install xserver-xfree86 whith apt-get install, it download the package and the preconfiguring script block. nothing else happend
[08:38] <Eblis> oh, forgot to ask wfx. Do you have a working Ubuntu (or any other distribution). What i mean is : do you have a linux distribution with kernel > 2.6.8 that does shutdown when you tell it to (and doesn't freeze at the end)
[08:39] <Eblis> i don't know
[08:39] <Eblis> sorry
[08:39] <will> woody: dl/around 150mib install/350MiB
[08:39] <Eblis> you could try a sudo bash
[08:39] <Ruffian|JANE|> woody, how fast is your connection
[08:39] <Eblis> and a passwd then
[08:39] <Eblis> maybe that will change the root password
[08:39] <burner> will, i use nano... why you ask?
[08:39] <woody> From the root terminal typing: apt-get install kde
[08:39] <will> burner: good to hear it! :)
[08:39] <woody> Will it install KDE ?
[08:39] <Ruffian|JANE|> woody, sudo apt-get install kde
[08:39] <Ruffian|JANE|> you gotta be root
[08:39] <woody> that's it
[08:40] <xukun> Eblis: ok then can you tell me why this dont workt: sudo pump -c > /etc/isapnp.conf
[08:40] <xukun> -bash: /etc/isapnp.conf: Permission denied
[08:40] <burner> will, why are you asking?
[08:40] <Eblis> i don't know xukun, sorry
[08:40] <will> burner:i use it too, but i heard it was crap
[08:40] <wfx> Eblis, my ubuntu poweroff
[08:41] <Eblis> you said that you have the same problem at work. do you have an ubuntu system at home ?
[08:41] <Eblis> that does work ?
[08:41] <Eblis> or is that the only ubuntu you have (at work) ?
[08:41] <woody> sudo apt-get install kde gives an error that package kde is not available
[08:41] <burner> it's 'simple'
[08:41] <billytwowilly> add universe
[08:41] <billytwowilly> and metaverse
[08:42] <woody> add that to where ???
[08:42] <eclipse> how come i can't log in as root?
[08:42] <daniels> eclipse: http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+root
[08:42] <Ruffian|JANE|> woody: apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[08:42] <tim1> got some sound problem here: /dev/dsp doesn't seem to exist anymore
[08:42] <Ruffian|JANE|> I apt-get KDE just fine
[08:42] <epod> I'm having an issue, namely, I uninstalled Firefox with Synpatic so that I could install firefox 1.0, and then I installed mozilla-mplayer which for some reason installed mozilla browser, so I want to remove mozilla browser, but synaptic insists on removing mozilla mplayer as well... how can I make it not do that?
[08:43] <ploum> ziggy, the easiest way is to uninstall reinstall
[08:43] <ploum> or to apt-get install evolution=x.x.xx
[08:43] <tim1> totem-xine and muine work fine, but vlc and some others not
[08:43] <ploum> where x.x.xx is the exact number of the version
[08:43] <ploum> Of, well, easier :
[08:43] <eclipse> how do u enable root account?
[08:43] <ploum> apt-get install evolution -t warty
[08:44] <ReddoC> eclipse, sudo passwd
[08:44] <xukun> I cant get my sound working, damm thing
[08:44] <eclipse> i did that but i can't log in as "root"
[08:44] <woody> What is the best configuration in the "sources.list" file?
[08:44] <ReddoC> eclipse, and enter a new password
[08:44] <eclipse> it won't take username as root
[08:44] <woody> Mine is: ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch updated software from the network
[08:44] <woody> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[08:44] <woody> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[08:44] <woody> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[08:44] <woody> ## repository.
[08:44] <woody> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[08:44] <tim1> no idea anybody ?
[08:44] <woody> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[08:44] <woody> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[08:44] <eclipse> i did that
[08:44] <woody> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[08:44] <woody> ## team.
[08:45] <woody> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[08:45] <ReddoC> eclipse, then you can use > su root
[08:45] <woody> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[08:45] <woody> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[08:45] <woody> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted
[08:45] <eclipse> what does that do?
[08:45] <woody> What is the best configuration for the sources.list file ?
[08:46] <will> woody: have a look on the internet
[08:46] <xukun> anyone know how to get onboard sound card to get working?
[08:47] <woody> Will, I can't install KDE in my System
[08:47] <woody> It's not that I don't like GNOME
[08:47] <woody> GNOME is better than KDE but I want more choices
[08:49] <epod> I'm having an issue, namely, I uninstalled Firefox with Synpatic so that I could install firefox 1.0, and then I installed mozilla-mplayer which for some reason installed mozilla browser, so I want to remove mozilla browser, but synaptic insists on removing mozilla mplayer as well... how can I make it not do that?
[08:49] <tim1> my anybody: my /dev/dsp doesn't seem to exist anymore, totem-xine and muine work fine, but vlc and some others not
[08:50] <woody> Can anyone help me install KDE , please ?
[08:50] <Matt|> epod, i have no idea how you might do that
[08:51] <Matt|> you may have to install the mplayer plugin manually as well
[08:51] <Matt|> woody, sure
[08:51] <Matt|> woody, sudo apt-get install kde
[08:52] <Matt|> wfx, that's more of a screenshot than a wallpaper huh?
[08:53] <wfx> Matt|, ? i have add also the svg?
[08:53] <Matt|> wfx, ok. that link was too the screenshot tho
[08:53] <wfx> Matt|, you can get it via the download button
[08:54] <Matt|> oh my bad
[08:54] <Matt|> sorry
[08:54] <wfx> Matt|, why :-)
[08:55] <xiximkopp> has anybody started working on usplash yet?
[08:56] <woody> sudo apt-get install kde gives errors
[08:56] <Ruffian|JANE|> what are they?
[08:56] <Ruffian|JANE|> unmet depencies
[08:57] <woody> No packages for KDE
[08:57] <eclipse> where is the system startup script?
[08:57] <iminj> test: first time here w/ x-chat
[08:57] <Eblis> you have to add the universe packages
[08:57] <Eblis> (woody)
[08:57] <iminj> coool
[08:58] <eclipse> does any know where the system startup script is?
[08:58] <Eblis> run synaptic
[08:58] <Eblis> and go to repositories
[08:58] <woody> Doesn't that produce duplicate packages
[08:58] <Matt|> eclipse, which one?
[08:58] <Eblis> and check the box that says universe under section(s)
[08:58] <Eblis> deb, not deb-src
[08:59] <iminj> Question: How do I do a file search (system wide) ? Ubuntu' file search seems to only search the specifc folder, but not all folders
[08:59] <xiximkopp> eclipse: do u mean /etc/init.d/ ???
[08:59] <ben_> anyone wanna help me find and install a driver for my sound card?
[08:59] <Eblis> iminj: try to do a locate from a terminal
[08:59] <Eblis> if it says that it cannot find the database, do a updatedb and then a locate
[08:59] <iminj> locate filename from root?
[09:00] <xiximkopp> ben_: what sound card do u hav?
[09:00] <woody> Can anyone give me some ideas for setting up Emacs to receive emails ?
[09:00] <Eblis> you don't need do be root
[09:00] <iminj> ok Eblis .. thankx
[09:00] <Eblis> just type 'locate [something] ' in a terminal
[09:01] <woody> I can send emails from Emacs but I can't receive emails
[09:01] <Matt|> emacs can do email?
[09:01] <ben_> xiximkopp, ESS Solo 1 something...
[09:02] <ben_> it's giving me alot of pops and static, when i'm not even doing anything
[09:02] <ben_> so i think it might be the driver
[09:04] <woody> Emacs can send emails easily: Press Ctrl+x space m
[09:04] <xiximkopp> ben_: i had also some problems with my sound because both alsa and oss drivers were loaded... you could check this.
[09:04] <woody> Ctrl+c space s
[09:04] <woody> sends the email
[09:04] <woody> in Emacs
[09:05] <epod> okay, I have installed Firefox 1.0 as root to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/ but now I can *only* run firefox as root...
[09:06] <epod> how can I make it so I can run it as a user?
[09:06] <Eblis> wfx, can you 'modprobe apm' when in ubuntu
[09:06] <Eblis> cause for me it says that it can't find it
[09:06] <wfx> Eblis, yes
[09:06] <ben_> xiximkopp, how do i check?
[09:06] <RubenV> epod: chmod it :)
[09:06] <RubenV> chmod 755 the executable
[09:06] <ben_> and would i want alsa or oss?
[09:08] <Eblis> do you know how the package with apm is called so i can do an apt-get ? (it's not apm :) )
[09:08] <epod> RubenV, trying that
[09:08] <xukun> could this be my sound card: CSC6835
[09:08] <epod> RubenV, no luck
[09:08] <ben_> Eblis, I'm pretty sure you already have apm
[09:09] <Eblis> i can't do a modprobe apm
[09:09] <ben_> you just need to turn it on in grub and add it to /etc/modules
[09:10] <ben_> anyway, xiximkopp, where'd u go?
[09:10] <Eblis> i see that i have apmd installed but i can't do a modprobe apm. is that normal ?
[09:10] <xiximkopp> ben_: try lsmod in a terminal
[09:10] <Eblis> i think i should be able to load it, no ?
[09:11] <epod> This is insane, why can I run firefox as root, but not as a user?
[09:11] <xiximkopp> ben_: but i dont know how the oss module for ur sound card is called...
[09:11] <xiximkopp> let me do some research
[09:11] <ben_> ok, thanks
[09:15] <xiximkopp> ben_: i think the easiest way is to type:  lsmod | grep sound
[09:15] <xiximkopp> and tell me what the output is
[09:16] <ben_> soundcore              10112  3 snd
[09:16] <ben_> i think you want lsmod | grep snd
[09:16] <xiximkopp> so its just alsa
[09:18] <xukun> guys this my sound card. "CSC6835" any help would be welcome
[09:20] <rebirth> anyone aware of why you don't get the php command when you apt-get install php4 ??
[09:21] <wfx> xukun, maybe the right module is cs423x
[09:21] <CraHan> has anyone experienced a serious slowdown on nautilus in the hoary version?
[09:21] <CraHan> opening a folder takes like 10 seconds and more
[09:21] <burner> nope
[09:21] <burner> mine is fine
[09:21] <CraHan> dang
[09:22] <LifesizeKenDoll> CraHan: mine's good
[09:22] <CraHan> I already created a new user to check if it might a setting, but it had no effect
[09:22] <CraHan> strange
[09:23] <xukun> wfx:  sudo modprobe cs4232
[09:23] <xukun> FATAL: Error inserting cs4232 (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/sound/oss/cs4232.ko): No such device
[09:23] <wfx> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/sound/isa/
[09:24] <wfx> xukun, do you have it in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/sound/isa/ ?
[09:24] <rebirth> anyone aware of why you don't get the php command when you apt-get install php4 ?? :E
[09:26] <epod> okay firefox 1.0 is aggrivating me.  Can anyone help me get it installed in Warty without mozilla-browser thinking it needs to be installed?
[09:28] <xukun> wfx: I have only this in there: cs423x
[09:28] <JDahl> epod, can you use aptitude and just deselect mozilla-browser (as long as it doesnt break any dependencies)?
[09:29] <JDahl> s/can/cant/
[09:29] <epod> JDahl, when I use Synaptic to remove mozilla-browser, it insists on removing mplayer-mozilla
[09:29] <wfx> xukun, im not an expert but i think this is the right one (in the sourcecode i read that it support the CSC6835 chip)
[09:30] <xukun> wfx: then what I,m doing wrong
[09:30] <xukun> wfx: then what I,m doing wrong  sudo modprobe cs423x
[09:30] <xukun> FATAL: Module cs423x not found.
[09:31] <wfx> sorry i dont know but.
[09:31] <JDahl> epod, you could manually break dependencies, but what's so bad about installing mozilla-browser?
[09:31] <epod> JDahl, when GAIM tells me I have mail, it opens that instead of firefox
[09:32] <Nart> somewhat similar to xukun prob, i have the same issue with speedtch.ko
[09:33] <Eblis> wfx, i tried your method (disabling acpi and enabling apm) but it doens't work
[09:33] <Eblis> and my mouse stopped working (???)
[09:33] <JDahl> xukun, can you insert the module manually with insmod using the full filename of the module?
[09:34] <Eblis> but maybe it didn't work because i can't modprobe apm now, and you said that you can
[09:34] <xukun> JDahl: I will try that
[09:34] <wfx> Eblis, so noacpi and acpi=off as kernel option on boot and apm in moudles not work for you. hmmm.
[09:35] <Eblis> yes
[09:35] <Eblis> maybe it didn't find apm
[09:35] <wfx> Eblis, take a look in youre bios maybe there is any interesting option to turn off/on.
[09:35] <Eblis> like i said before, i can't load it with modprobe
[09:35] <Eblis> it worked in fedora core just 2 days ago
[09:35] <wfx> Eblis, im sorry, i say it hase work for me :-)
[09:35] <Eblis> it only stopped working in ubuntu and FC3 :)
[09:36] <xukun> JDahl:  sudo insmod /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x yes?
[09:36] <Eblis> and your method also killed my mouse
[09:36] <JDahl> xukun, include .ko extension
[09:36] <Eblis> it stopped working, and a reload of uhci_hcd didn't restore it
[09:37] <Eblis> in fact, it gave me some error - when i tried to add uhci_hcd (after removing it) ...
[09:37] <Eblis> i have another question ... the hotplug thing is giving me some error
[09:37] <wfx> shcp and pciehp?
[09:37] <Eblis> modprobe fatal, can't load pciehp (i think that's the name) - when i boot
[09:38] <Eblis> yes, those two :) (shcp, pcihp)
[09:38] <wfx> this one you can ignore pciehp is pci enhance
[09:38] <Eblis> i don't intend to hotplug any pci stuff anyway
[09:38] <xukun> JDahl:  sudo insmod /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x.ko
[09:38] <xukun> insmod: can't read '/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x.ko': No such file or directory
[09:38] <Eblis> but what's shcp ?
[09:38] <CraHan> found why nautilus is so slow at opening folders
[09:39] <CraHan> gamin wasn't installed
[09:39] <CraHan> which provides gam_server
[09:39] <LifesizeKenDoll> ah
[09:39] <wfx> Eblis, i dont know, hmmm ... i go read
[09:39] <CraHan> my question now is: why isn't nautilus dependent on gamin?
[09:39] <Eblis> i've read about it for 2 days now
[09:39] <Eblis> now i'm trying itc
[09:39] <Eblis> *irc
[09:39] <Eblis> :)
[09:39] <JDahl> xukun, but the library is there, right (with the .ko extension)? weird..
[09:39] <CraHan> shouldn't the nautilis package have a dependency to the gamin package?
[09:40] <xukun> JDahl: no there is only cs423x. there is no .ko extension
[09:40] <will> does anyone know how i can change the UNICODE to allow swedish letters in nautilus etc?
[09:41] <JDahl> xukun, ok... my bad. Then just use that filename (although the kernel libraries ought have a .ko extension)
[09:42] <LifesizeKenDoll> CraHan: there's no good reason
[09:42] <xukun> JDahl: sudo insmod /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x insmod: can't read '/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x': Is a directory
[09:42] <xukun> aaaar
[09:42] <CraHan> LifesizeKenDoll: well installing gamin made nautilus react again
[09:42] <LifesizeKenDoll> CraHan: yea, I know, there's no good reason why not to make it a dependency
[09:42] <CraHan> aah ic :)
[09:43] <CraHan> should I file a bugreport ?
[09:43] <LifesizeKenDoll> CraHan: really, fam should be a dependency, gamin is just a replacement
[09:43] <LifesizeKenDoll> CraHan: I say yes
[09:43] <CraHan> ok... doing that now
[09:45] <will> does anyone know how to stop the INVALID UNICODE errors (in files) in nautilus (i have swedish letters in filenames)
[09:45] <CraHan> done
[09:46] <LifesizeKenDoll> CraHan: yay!
[09:47] <CraHan> always happy to help improve a good distro :)
[09:47] <Nart> is anyone using Ubuntu with a SpeedTouch USB alcatel modem?
[09:48] <wfx> Eblis, other question do you have update youre kernel? do you have make a depmode -a?
[09:48] <oober> when was ubunto released?
[09:49] <oober> umm ubuntu
[09:50] <ZlinxE> Does this channel also support gnoppix?
[09:50] <xukun> ok it seems that if I want to do sudo pnpdump -c > /etc/isapnp.conf that I have to be root, how do I do that from console?
[09:51] <wfx> Eblis, btw, shpchp is for motherboard with a SHPC PCI Hotplug controller
[09:51] <wfx> Eblis, whatever this is ;-)
[09:52] <supos> ZlinxE, You use Gnoppix?
[09:52] <ZlinxE> Yes, but I have problems with it
[09:52] <ZlinxE> the installer doesnt seem to work
[09:53] <ZlinxE> But I've installed it to HD, and now I can't boot into the syste,.. seems like grub is messed up
[09:53] <supos> ZlinxE, I was just wondering, I was actually considering trying out Gnoppix
[09:54] <ZlinxE> supos: its great, and its based on ubuntu
[09:54] <supos> ZlinxE, yeah well, the Ubuntu live cd isnt working so great for me :(
[09:55] <supos> ZlinxE, what are the advantages of Gnoppix over the Ubuntu live cd?
[09:56] <ZlinxE> I'm just a novice
[09:56] <ZlinxE> havent tried ubuntu live cd either
[09:56] <supos> ok
[09:57] <supos> Well, better reboot and try to make it work properly. Im in failsafe mode now :(
[09:58] <Eblis> wtf, i don't want to update my kernel to 2.6.9 cause i won't be able to run twin view anymore
[09:58] <Eblis> apparently nvidia 6111 doesn't work with the new kernel
[09:58] <Eblis> and my twin view doesn't work with 6629
[09:58] <Eblis> :)
[09:58] <Eblis> sorry, not wtf but wfx
[09:58] <Eblis> ooops
[09:58] <wfx> :-)
[09:59] <wfx> Eblis, i use 2.6.8.1-3-386
[10:00] <edulix> hey!
[10:00] <LifesizeKenDoll> hey!
[10:00] <Eblis> that's what i have too
[10:01] <edulix> I have a D-Link ADSL-504T modem/router, and because of that I have to disable ipv6 in order to be able to surf the web...how can I disable ipv6 in Ubuntu ?
[10:01] <wfx> this modprobe fault is strange
[10:02] <Eblis> i don't care that much
[10:02] <Eblis> there' a kernel bug about this
[10:02] <Eblis> there's also a fedora core bug about this
[10:03] <Eblis> i didn't check for ubuntu
[10:03] <wfx> Eblis, modinfo apm does work right?
[10:03] <edulix> oh man this modem-router is a piece of crap
[10:03] <Eblis> yes
[10:03] <Eblis> that's strage ...
[10:03] <wfx> Eblis, hmmm do have /etc/init.d/apmd start?
[10:04] <Eblis> yes
[10:04] <Eblis> it started
[10:04] <Eblis> or so it said
[10:04] <Eblis> i tried to reload and force-reload it earlier
[10:04] <Eblis> i didn't try it this session
[10:04] <tolstoy> Folks: is there a system-wide RC script I can place stuff in?  Seems like redhat had one, but I can't find rc.init, or whatever, on ubuntu.
[10:04] <edulix> pelase can someone tell me ? I just can't RTF, as the web doesn't work here :P
[10:05] <edulix> s/RTF/RTFM/
[10:05] <Swad> anyone here running the latest hoary and use the evolution exchange plugin/
[10:05] <Eblis> tolstoy: when do you want to start them ?
[10:05] <wfx> edulix, no one here does say somthing like rtfm
[10:05] <Eblis> there is a rcS.d that's executed when the computer starts
[10:05] <edulix> wtx: that's good to know ;-)
[10:06] <tolstoy> Eblis, I don't want to start a service, I just need to "rmmod psmouse ; modprobe psmouse" because the smp kernel on hoary on my machine is flakey in that way.
[10:07] <tolstoy> Eblis, is the only way to do this to create an init.d script?
[10:07] <Eblis> i have an usb mouse
[10:07] <Eblis> in fc2 i had to modprobe -r (rmmod) uhci_hcd and then modprobe uhci_hcd
[10:07] <Eblis> then the mouse would work again
[10:07] <Eblis> oh
[10:07] <Eblis> sorry
[10:08] <Eblis> i thought i was talking to someone else
[10:08] <Eblis> i should get some sleep
[10:08] <Eblis> :((
[10:08] <tolstoy> Eblis, yeah, I get weird probs.   I have to do that with the psmouse module to get my KEYBOARD working.
[10:08] <edulix> uhm, I think I know how to do it. let's reboot to be sure
[10:08] <Eblis> and when do you want to call that tolstoy ?
[10:09] <tolstoy> Eblis, when the machine boots.  You know, an autoexec.bat (shudder) type of thing. ;)
[10:09] <tolstoy> Hm. Here's this /etc/init.d/rc script...
[10:09] <Eblis> then rcS
[10:09] <wfx> Eblis, use pastepin
[10:09] <Eblis> that's executed when the machine boots
[10:09] <Eblis> pastepin ???
[10:09] <tolstoy> Eblis, Ah, okay.  That's independent of any runlevel?
[10:10] <wfx> Eblis, sorry i was thinking you post the hole rcS :-)
[10:11] <tolstoy> wfx, hopefully not!
[10:11] <wfx> tolstoy, ;-)
[10:12] <tolstoy> Eblis, "man init" says about rcS:  Runlevel S is not really meant to be used directly, but more for the  scripts that  are  executed when entering runlevel 1.
[10:12] <leonel> any repository for  mozilla-firefox 1.0 for  ubuntu ?
[10:12] <Eblis> i read the readme in there
[10:13] <Eblis> rcS.d
[10:13] <Eblis> and there it says that those are loaded everywhere, even when booting in runlevel1
[10:13] <Eblis> i didn't read man init
[10:13] <Eblis> :)
[10:14] <tolstoy> Oh. Hm.
[10:14] <wfx> Eblis, how need man, info etc. we have irc ;-)
[10:14] <Exasparilla> What's a cheap 802.11g pcmcia or usb adapter that works out-of-the-box with ubuntu?
[10:14] <Eblis> what that directed at me ?
[10:14] <Eblis> the irc part
[10:15] <NanoTek> i think netgear hardware
[10:15] <wfx> Eblis, i joke.
[10:15] <Exasparilla> NanoTek: k.
[10:15] <Eblis> i didn't read it recently because i didn't need to
[10:15] <Eblis> yeah, sorry
[10:15] <Eblis> i just got some reply from #fedora
[10:15] <Eblis> that i should google
[10:15] <Eblis> after i googled for 2 days
[10:15] <Eblis> and searched everywhere
[10:15] <Eblis> this was my last resort :(
[10:16] <wfx> goggle is no more was it was
[10:16] <malasious> i just burned my ubuntu.iso to a disk and tryed booting i then tried noapic and linux noapic
[10:16] <malasious> it still wont boot corectly any ideas
[10:22] <Exasparilla> So, does ubuntu handle pcmcia cards any differently than Debian?
[10:22] <schnizzle> it doesnt automagickally detect my wifi card when i put it in like debian did
[10:23] <encryptio> what's so great about xorg over xfree?
[10:23] <schnizzle> freedom
[10:23] <encryptio> to a simple-minded user, i mean.
[10:23] <LifesizeKenDoll> question - why did Ubuntu start out with 4.10 instead of 1.0?
[10:24] <encryptio> it's based on debian, so they just started with that version
[10:24] <Exasparilla> schnizzle: what wifi card do you have?
[10:24] <schnizzle> buffalo
[10:24] <schnizzle> thin
[10:24] <schnizzle> b
[10:24] <Matt|> hi all, I can't play dvds. I have installed libdvdcss2 (from marillat)and totem-xine but no good. What do i need to do?
[10:24] <Exasparilla> thx
[10:24] <thoreauputic> encryptio: er - no I think 4.10 is a date reference
[10:24] <schnizzle> orinoco
[10:25] <Matt|> 4.10 is date yeah
[10:25] <thoreauputic> encryptio: Debian is at 3.1 latest
[10:25] <LifesizeKenDoll> that makes sense
[10:25] <Matt|> he
[10:25] <Matt|> h
[10:25] <encryptio> baah
[10:25] <Matt|> anyone good with dvd?
[10:26] <weasello> Ubuntu rocks
[10:26] <encryptio> ripping/playing?
[10:26] <schnizzle> it was wierd, it detected the wifi during install (pxe) but got stuck on the hardwire connection now...
[10:26] <LifesizeKenDoll> weasello: agreed
[10:28] <LifesizeKenDoll> it's Gman!
[10:28] <Matt|> encryptio, playing
[10:29] <encryptio> it just works for me (vlc)
[10:29] <encryptio> i play my video with vlc, just because i'm used to it
[10:30] <socomm> mplayer is `teh' r0x0rz.
[10:30] <Gman> hello
[10:30] <socomm> Hello.
[10:30] <Matt|> i'm trying to use totem-xine
[10:30] <encryptio> good luck
[10:30] <Matt|> when i put in the dvd it makes strange noises
[10:30] <Matt|> i can't mount it
[10:31] <encryptio> have you washed the dvd?
[10:31] <socomm> Washing DVD's usually doesn't solve many problems. ;^)
[10:32] <encryptio> i'm serious, just put a little water on the data side, spin it in your hand, and dry it with a soft cloth hub to the outside.
[10:32] <encryptio> it's saved many dvds and cds for me
[10:32] <marcus|> Toothpaste usually works.
[10:32] <encryptio> damnit why does someone always say that?
[10:32] <dstahan> Hi, has anyone experienced slow tcp/ip performance with ubuntu? when I try to load a web page it does not work. I can ping things fine though.
[10:33] <encryptio> dstahan: is it only firefox that slows down?
[10:33] <dstahan> yeah it seems that way
[10:33] <encryptio> yeah, there's a fix, just a sec
[10:33] <dstahan> I haven't used linux in half a year on that machine, but the last time I had SUSE on this thing it was fine.
[10:34] <dstahan> Encryptio: Thanks
[10:34] <encryptio> go to "about:config" and filter "ipv6" and set network.dns.disableIPv6 to "true" and restart firefox
[10:34] <wfx> dstahan, my last and first suse was 4.2
[10:34] <Matt|> anyone help me with the dvd problem?
[10:34] <wfx> :-)
[10:35] <dstahan> Enryptio: so its ipv6 that is causing the problem.
[10:35] <encryptio> just that it has to try that first
[10:35] <encryptio> rather than going immediatley to ipv4
[10:35] <encryptio> biiig speedup
[10:36] <dstahan> Ok I'll have to reinstall ubuntu and give it ago. Fedora Core 3 is being a pain. I'd rather have a deb based system.
[10:36] <shaver> apt-rpm makes FC3 much more livable
[10:36] <encryptio> fedora...
[10:36] <dstahan> indeed
[10:36] <dstahan> Cheers encryptio :)
[10:36] <socomm> You gotta use toothpaste work it in with a soft cloth then use a thin layer of vaseline to coat your disc.
[10:37] <encryptio> hmm... never heard of that one.
[10:37] <socomm> Google CD repair.
[10:37] <shaver> man, google repairs CDs now?!? they do everything!
[10:37] <encryptio> heh
[10:39] <socomm> Yes, right next to froogle. Pop in a disc into your CD-Rom drive and click CD Repair.
[10:40] <lemsx1> shaver, lol ... i guess he meant: google for "cd repair"
[10:40] <shaver> yeah, seems likely
[10:40] <lemsx1> shaver, but after seeing local.google.com you can assume anything
[10:40] <encryptio> local...
[10:40] <lemsx1> shaver, google knows your neighborhood better than you
[10:41] <encryptio> whoa
[10:41] <encryptio> dang
[10:41] <encryptio> cool
[10:41] <encryptio> <insert other four-letter word>
[10:41] <lemsx1> encryptio, yep. it's a nice way to look for, say "a burrito restaurant pronto"
[10:41] <encryptio> moes
[10:41] <encryptio> ^_^
[10:41] <encryptio> goood food
[10:42] <encryptio> "Moe's Southwest Grill"
[10:42] <lemsx1> encryptio, you are going to get kicked off to #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:42] <lemsx1> :-)
[10:42] <encryptio> sry
[10:42] <clee> haha
[10:43] <clee> today has been fun
[10:43] <clee> mako: you around?
[10:43] <defendguin> punkass, how is pyfi going?
[10:44] <xukun> ubuntu is very strange
[10:44] <hypa7ia> xukun: strange?
[10:44] <clee> well, anybody from Canonical will do
[10:44] <clee> any of you bastards awake?
[10:44] <encryptio> meep
[10:45] <xukun> I cant get few things to work, like now when I try to connect ubuntu nxserver all I get is a dark screen after the login
[10:45] <sm-afk> hi all
[10:46] <sm-afk> does anyone *here* know how to do tail -f and grep and the same time ?
[10:46] <clee> sm-afk: um, what do you mean?
[10:46] <encryptio> tail -f | grep
[10:46] <olly|home> sm-afk: tail -f filename | grep 'for something'
[10:46] <sm-afk> clee, eg for live filtering of webserver hits
[10:46] <clee> sm-afk: yeah, sure
[10:46] <sm-afk> er.. that works ??
[10:46] <clee> encryptio's method works
[10:46] <sm-afk> whoa :)
[10:46] <clee> yep
[10:46] <spacey`ki> sm-afk, yes should work
[10:47] <lemsx1> sm-afk, also: less +F file | grep
[10:47] <lemsx1> :-)
[10:48] <sm-afk> dang! thanks you all! :)
[10:49] <olly|home> np. hello folks, by the way :)
[10:51] <encryptio> "or someone that regularly posts screen links to a torrent they didnt' post" <= sounds like a job for me
[10:51] <encryptio> crap
[10:51] <encryptio> wrong channel
[10:51] <clee> so... nobody? jdub, mako, thom, daniels, sabdfl?
[10:52] <daniels> clee: the what now?
[10:52] <clee> daniels: see Jabber.
[10:53] <clee> daniels: I have spread your warty warthog to many of my coworkers.
[10:53] <daniels> heh :)
[10:53] <clee> so, the synopsis, if anybody else is listening
[10:53] <clee> started off with: 50 x86, 10 amd64, 10 ppc
[10:54] <clee> now have: 23 x86, 7 amd64, 6 ppc
[10:54] <LinuxJones> Howdy all :)
[10:55] <LifesizeKenDoll> Hello LinuxJones
[10:55] <olly|home> hi
[10:55] <schifo> guys
[10:55] <schifo> i cant get my wireless card to connect
[10:55] <schifo> its detected and everything
[10:55] <schifo> but when i do ifup eth0, it says: Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on devive eth0 ; Invalid argument.
[10:56] <Lord_ZealOFF> hi
[10:56] <Lord_ZealOFF> somebody can help me with my ipaq?
[10:56] <daniels> holy god, I really need to learn to read danish better
[10:56] <jdub> clee: first number is total, second number is machines remaining to be ubuntised?
[10:56] <daniels> clee: i ended up with a steak pizza
[10:56] <daniels> jdub: yah
[10:57] <daniels> clee: cheese, onions, tomato sauce, basil
[10:57] <daniels> clee: and a huge chunk of steak
[10:57] <jdub> clee: in the office?
[10:57] <daniels> (complete with juice.)
[10:57] <clee> jdub: yes.
[10:57] <jdub> clee: did you get your cds yet?
[10:57] <Lord_ZealOFF> i have a hp ipaq 4150, but whe synce connect, then disconnect and i can't use ir
[10:57] <clee> jdub: I handed out almost half of them here at RH today. :)
[10:57] <jdub> clee: what was the response to the packaging?
[10:57] <clee> jdub: very impressed overall
[10:57] <clee> jdub: (not just me, everyone)
[10:58] <jdub> clee: good, good. :)
[10:58] <daniels> ill
[10:58] <clee> jdub: :)
[10:58] <t17mh> Howdy -- I clean installed ubuntu on a box yesterday & am a big fan. I'd like to migrate another: is it possible to just add ubuntu sources to my /etc/apt/sources and upgrade from debian unstable to ubuntu?
[10:58] <bur[n] er> t17mh: daring move... it's tricky.. sometimes flawless... sometimes plagued
[10:59] <bur[n] er> depends on how your system is configured
[10:59] <xukun> t17mh: I think that is possible
[10:59] <clee> jdub: so - no, the numbers were: first part, number of CDs I started with, second part, number of CDs I still have
[10:59] <jdub> clee: *oh*
[10:59] <labanux> how can we add font type in ubuntu..................???/
[10:59] <t17mh> bur[n] er: Sounds like something I'd try then :)
[10:59] <clee> jdub: make more sense now? :)
[11:00] <clee> (and you guys didn't think I'd actually *do* anything with 70 CDs.)
[11:00] <labanux> may we just copy the ".ttf" file to the font firektori??
[11:00] <labanux> may we just copy the ".ttf" file to the font direktori??
[11:00] <socomm> labanux: worked for me.
[11:01] <t17mh> bur[n] er: Hmm, this post from Mark S. suggests it might be a bad idea... http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=127048&cid=10622839
[11:02] <encryptio> has anyone here had success uppgrading warty to hoary w/o a reinstall (from deb sources)
[11:02] <encryptio> ?
[11:02] <jdub> encryptio: that's how it's done, yes
[11:02] <encryptio> you've done it?
[11:02] <labanux> socomm: in what directori we should copy the font type?
[11:02] <bur[n] er> i dunno
[11:02] <labanux> socomm: in what directori we should copy the font type?
[11:02] <bur[n] er> worked for me
[11:03] <xukun> anybody get freenx working on ubuntu
[11:03] <bur[n] er> but i did a lot of tinkering
[11:03] <xukun> ?
[11:03] <djtansey_> is there a way to do a net install? or is there a U.S. mirror of the install image? it's taking forever.
[11:03] <encryptio> forever?
[11:03] <daniels> there's no need to do a reinstall to move from warty->hoary, it's pointless
[11:03] <clee> bittorrent!
[11:03] <socomm> lamont: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF
[11:03] <clee> encryptio: dude, I've done it like three times
[11:03] <socomm> labanux: that was meant for you, sorry.
[11:04] <clee> well, in the middle of the third one
[11:04] <encryptio> i'm still a little leery of it
[11:04] <daniels> encryptio: why?
[11:04] <clee> encryptio: dude, debian's been doing it with the exact same tech for *years*
[11:04] <clee> encryptio: trust us, it's safe
[11:04] <encryptio> cause powerpc stuff is a bit different
[11:04] <daniels> encryptio: no, not that different
[11:04] <daniels> encryptio: and many ubuntu developers have powerpc
[11:04] <encryptio> ubuntu did a damn good job
[11:04] <socomm> labanux:  /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF
[11:05] <encryptio> and i have to "killall gdm" before i can truly get X killed, right?
[11:05] <t17mh> encryptio: Or /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[11:05] <clee> probably '/etc/init.d/gdm stop'
[11:05] <locutus1976> can ubuntu read mp3 files?
[11:05] <encryptio> just "apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade" after enabling warty?
[11:05] <t17mh> locutus1976: Sure can. ogg too.
[11:05] <encryptio> plus that
[11:06] <clee> uh, after enabling hoary
[11:06] <clee> not warty :)
[11:06] <encryptio> yeah, that
[11:06] <locutus1976> t17mh: Great! :) How about divx?
[11:06] <encryptio> yep, it can play that too
[11:06] <djtansey_> clee: what is the benefit of getting hoary presently?
[11:06] <encryptio> with other players...
[11:06] <encryptio> xorg!
[11:06] <clee> djtansey_: newer packages!
[11:06] <encryptio> that's about it
[11:06] <djtansey_> clee: i know. but what has changed significantly?
[11:06] <clee> djtansey_: um, xorg.
[11:06] <clee> djtansey_: that's the Big One right now.
[11:07] <djtansey_> clee: xorg is in hoary?
[11:07] <clee> djtansey_: yep.
[11:07] <daniels> (and is a painless upgrade, I might add)
[11:07] <clee> (you can all thank daniels for that, btw)
[11:07] <encryptio> what about the Evolution problems peeps have had?
[11:07] <clee> well, daniels and fabbione
[11:07] <clee> encryptio: thunderbird, dude.
[11:07] <clee> screw evolution.
[11:07] <encryptio> hmm...
[11:07] <Swad> evolution is ok if you want the exchange connector--when it works
[11:07] <Swad> heh
[11:08] <socomm> Thuderbird .... sucks.
[11:08] <clee> socomm: yes. unfortunately, for me at least, it's the one that sucks the least.
[11:08] <clee> which is fucking pathetic.
[11:08] <t17mh> Well, it's stupid, but I'm going to go ahead and try this debian-to-ubuntu thing.
[11:08] <t17mh> Worst comes to worse, I wipe /usr/ and start over )
[11:08] <clee> t17mh: heh. :)
[11:08] <socomm> clee: mutt sucks the least.
[11:09] <t17mh> clee: here come the archive.ubuntu.com packages...
[11:09] <encryptio> is there a way to install xorg on warty?
[11:09] <clee> socomm: uh, mutt sucks for IMAP.
[11:09] <lemsx1> before upgrading, do glxgears and write it down. then after upgrade compare glxgears values...
[11:09] <socomm> "The Mutt E-Mail Client "All mail clients suck. This one just sucks less." -me, circa 1995 "
[11:09] <lemsx1> i want to see if xorg is faster :-)
[11:09] <lemsx1> then post your findings here
[11:10] <lemsx1> (i tested xorg from source on vanilla debian and was dissapointed)
[11:10] <socomm> clee: if it's on the internet, it must be true.
[11:10] <lemsx1> (so i downgraded)
[11:10] <clee> socomm: heh.
[11:10] <clee> socomm: still, mutt lacks imap header caching.
[11:10] <clee> socomm: which is fairly important to me since I have IMAP mailboxes with thousands of messages
[11:10] <clee> socomm: so... using mutt on them remotely is *painful*
[11:11] <clee> encryptio: heh.
[11:11] <daniels> encryptio: ideally, you won't notice it
[11:11] <encryptio> ideally i'll be able to use xcompmgr
[11:11] <daniels> we tested the upgrade path like hell
[11:11] <daniels> yeah, you can, if you don't mind quite incredible slowness
[11:12] <sm> lemsx1: still trying to get my head around less +F
[11:12] <sm> I think you meant to put it after the grep
[11:12] <encryptio> i'm not doing anything real video-intensive
[11:12] <sm> it doesn't seem to be working right here though
[11:12] <socomm> encryptio: xcompmgr is a pig.
[11:13] <lemsx1> sm, less +F filename.txt ?? same like tail -f
[11:13] <memer> ok, guys, i've burned three discs now and i still can't get ubuntu installed :-( ...keeps hanging at the same place (irritatingly, around the 85% mark checking h/w "loading module ide-ce..."  any workarounds you can suggest?
[11:13] <encryptio> i'm used to osx's graphics, so that's where i got the idea
[11:13] <daniels> encryptio: um
[11:13] <lemsx1> sm, but less is nicer because you can say: less +F file1.txt file2.txt file3.txt ... fileN-1.txt fileN.txt :-)
[11:13] <sm> tail -f access.log |less +F gives a blank screen.. then ctrl c shows one line.. then F shows a bunch.. thereafter, ctrl c and F show no change
[11:13] <daniels> encryptio: let me assure you, having transparent clocks and doing all the crazy blends and whizzing visual effects is not cheap
[11:14] <daniels> (it obviously consumes a lot more resources than, say, not)
[11:14] <clee> it's not that it's expensive
[11:14] <daniels> i was just thinking that
[11:14] <socomm> memer: have you checksumed your download?
[11:14] <lemsx1> sm, that's wrong!
[11:14] <clee> it's that 1) xcompmgr sucks and 2) None of the drivers work properly with it yet
[11:14] <daniels> it's not really like a cinderella effect
[11:14] <sm> yes it is isn't it
[11:14] <lemsx1> sm, less +F is exactly the same as tail -f
[11:14] <memer> yeah (finally figured out how to do that on a mac os x)
[11:14] <daniels> you don't suddenly go from an ugly, slow 2d desktop to some amazingly gorgeous 3d desktop with whizzing graphics
[11:14] <socomm> clee: good points.
[11:14] <sm> but that's what it's doing..
[11:14] <daniels> you get some alpha blends and that makes it a lot slower
[11:14] <lemsx1> sm, but less lets you tail more files at once
[11:14] <encryptio> sm: tail -f access.log|grep <whatever> >OR< less +F access.log|grep <whatever>
[11:14] <daniels> clee: um, radeon and nvidia both accelerate xrender (the main problem aiui is xaa)
[11:15] <clee> daniels: well, no, the main problem is that the xaa shit sucks
[11:15] <lemsx1> sm, see what encryptio said
[11:15] <daniels> clee: 'the main problem aiui is xaa'
[11:15] <clee> daniels: but this is out of my league, I'm just parroting things that I hear from ajax and anholt
[11:15] <daniels> heh
[11:15] <socomm> memer: does your download check sum okay?
[11:15] <daniels> to be fair, ajax and anholt are both quite stupendously intelligent
[11:15] <tom_> quit
[11:16] <memer> socomm: i think so (i squinted at the mac os x checksum checker thing pretty hard)
[11:16] <lemsx1> encryptio, if you do upgrade. test glxgears before and after and post it here :-D
[11:16] <sm> ok.. I don't want to less through the 500M access log, that's why I'm starting with tail -f
[11:16] <encryptio> lemsx1, i'll do that
[11:16] <sm> but encryptio are you really putting grep *after* less ?
[11:16] <lemsx1> sm, tail only does 10 lines... -f one line
[11:16] <memer> i've never had problems burning before (and i gave it 3 tries)
[11:16] <socomm> memer: it could be that your download is fubared.
[11:16] <encryptio> sm: yes, so you give grep  tail's (or less's) ouutput
[11:17] <sm> if I do grep after less, I lose the paging advantage of less
[11:17] <lemsx1> sm, the pipe | allows programs to talk to e/a other
[11:17] <sm> yes
[11:17] <sm> I have | down :)
[11:17] <lemsx1> sm, tail -f file | grep something
[11:17] <encryptio> sm:
[11:17] <schifo> guys
[11:17] <schifo> can anyone help me with my wireless card
[11:17] <memer> oh yeah? i did it from the UK primary link. and it seems to be the full 522.8mb? sghould i just try a diff link? is that possible problem? i do have cable hookup
[11:17] <encryptio> tail -f FILE | grep <whatever> | less
[11:17] <sm> encryptio: that is what I"m doing
[11:17] <sm> so why: tail -f access.log |less +F gives a blank screen.. then ctrl c shows one line.. then F shows a bunch.. thereafter, ctrl c and F show no change
[11:17] <lemsx1> sm, no need for | less really
[11:17] <sm> (I took the grep out to simplify)
[11:18] <encryptio> because less -F is pointless after tail -f
[11:18] <lemsx1> sm, you are doing it wrong! lol
[11:18] <encryptio> you do the same thing twice
[11:18] <corbob> is there any reason firefox isn
[11:18] <encryptio> tail -f FILE | grep <whatever> | less (NO +F)
[11:18] <corbob> 't getting upgraded to 1.0 in hoary...
[11:18] <sm> tail -f should give me an updating stream
[11:18] <lemsx1> sm, you only need less if the output will scroll pass one window
[11:18] <sm> which less +F should stay attached to and keep showing me the latest from
[11:19] <olly|home> encryptio: are you sure about the -F switch to less? I thought it made less quit if the output was less than a screenful, not follow the file. ICBW.
[11:19] <sm> no ?
[11:19] <lemsx1> sm, tail -f file | grep something is all you need
[11:19] <encryptio> olly|home, not if it's a pipe
[11:19] <sm> olly|home: +F is different
[11:19] <socomm> memer: don't know. You could try another server, that may solve your problem.
[11:19] <sm> it's hard to see from the man page
[11:19] <tortoise_> does anyone know where i can find a gstreamer-xvid deb??
[11:19] <lemsx1> sm, you can also do: less +F /var/log/syslog /var/log/messages /var/log/boot | grep hackers
[11:19] <sm> lemsx1: yes tail | grep is all I need, and very useful
[11:19] <lemsx1> sm, oops, i forgot: /var/log/auth.log
[11:20] <lemsx1> sm, :-D
[11:20] <olly|home> ahh, +F. ok :)
[11:20] <socomm> tortoise_: try http://packages.debian.org or http://www.google.com/linux
[11:20] <sm> I'd like to understand why tail -f|less +F doesn't work for me though, as described
[11:20] <locutus1976> I just installed ubuntu warty on my laptop and I am finding that browsing the web in firefow is really slow. Anyone know how to fix this?
[11:20] <wulle> does anybody know where i can find the deb package for Mondo
[11:20] <memer> ok, socomm, i'll give it another go. can one do a hardrive install from teh live cd too?
[11:20] <lemsx1> sm, perhaps it doesn't work because tail +F doesn't read from STDIN
[11:21] <socomm> memer: I think so, haven't really tried it myself. Most LiveCD's do have that option though.
[11:21] <lemsx1> sm, oops, not tail, less!
[11:21] <memer> okee doke. ubuntu is worth one last burn :/ thanks
[11:21] <sm> that makes sense
[11:21] <socomm> memer: good luck.
[11:21] <sm> you can pipe into less, but the +F feature doesn't cover that case
[11:22] <Hikaru79> I just bought a DVD Writer (HP DVD Writer dvd630i)... can it be run on Linux? Is there a linux driver for it?
[11:22] <tolstoy> Hikaru79, does it not work?  I'm curious about that device also.
[11:23] <sm> ok, I see what I can & can't do, thx again
[11:23] <Hikaru79> tolstoy, I don't know I haven't tried it yet
[11:23] <Hikaru79> I have to install the driver first
[11:23] <Hikaru79> But the CD they give is Windows-only
[11:23] <tolstoy> Hikaru79, seems like I heard it had something to do with "LiteOn" as an underlying technology.
[11:23] <socomm> Hikaru79: most vendors don't provide GNU/Linux drivers.
[11:23] <mako> clee: whats up?
[11:24] <Hikaru79> socomm, does that mean that there AREN'T any, or that you just have to find ones made independently from the vendor?
[11:24] <clee> mako: You guys shipped me 50 x86, 10 amd64, and 10 ppc CDROMs
[11:24] <tolstoy> Hikaru79, can you not just install it, start your machine and have it work?  Hm. In redhat, you'd run Kudzu.
[11:24] <clee> mako: I only have 22 x86, 7 amd64, and 5 ppc ones left :)
[11:24] <clee> mako: they're going like hotcakes :)
[11:24] <Hikaru79> So there's a chance it'll work without any driver that I have to install personally?
[11:24] <socomm> Hikaru79: no it just means that they don't support GNU/Linux, but GNU/Linux may have a driver for it though.
[11:24] <tolstoy> Hikaru79, yes, there's a chance.
[11:25] <Hikaru79> Sweet =D
[11:25] <encryptio> xorg q: nothing should change except the packages if i just install xorg-common and xserver-xorg, right?
[11:25] <Hikaru79> socomm or tolstoy, any ideas on where I might find drivers on the net?
[11:25] <encryptio> brb
[11:25] <corbob> Hikaru79, google might be able to help
[11:25] <Hikaru79> I've tried, corbob
[11:25] <socomm> Hikaru79: http://www.google.com/linux
[11:25] <locutus1976> Anyone know how to speed up net browsing? It is painfully slow.
[11:25] <Cube-ness> hey.. i just updated using the hoary stuff.. all works fine, but the sound system is all weird now...
[11:25] <tolstoy> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686-smp/kernel/drivers/media/dvb
[11:26] <mtl> does ubuntu work with 2.6.9 kernel?
[11:26] <tolstoy> Maybe dvb is DVD Burner?
[11:26] <mtl> warty
[11:26] <Cube-ness> like anything that uses oss no longer works
[11:26] <clee> mako: so, yeah, things are going well over here. your CDs are spreading throughout Red Hat.
[11:26] <Cube-ness> or alsa really..
[11:26] <thoreauputic> locutus1976: is it faster if you enter an IP instead of a URL?
[11:26] <Hikaru79> socomm, I ran 'dvd630i' through that engine and I get nothing
[11:26] <socomm> Hikaru79: usually you can just drop the drive into your machine and ubuntu will load up the appropriate kernel module for you.
[11:26] <socomm> Hikaru79: have you tried that?
[11:26] <zez> where can I point sources to get win32 codecs?
[11:26] <Hikaru79> OK, I'll try that
[11:26] <tolstoy> Hikaru79, a few weeks ago, I didn't find much on that particular drive.
[11:26] <Hikaru79> Not yet
[11:26] <pdaoust> socomm: what was that link you just sent us?
[11:26] <corbob> you might see if it works under knoppix and go from there...
[11:27] <Hikaru79> Oh, good idea T_T
[11:27] <locutus1976> thoreauputic: yeah, it appears to be faster if I use an ip address.
[11:27] <tolstoy> Hikaru79, via Google, that is.  Too new, I'm thinking.
[11:27] <corbob> knoppix is about the best i've seen for hardware detection
[11:27] <socomm> pdaoust: what were we talking about?
[11:27] <Hikaru79> OK I'll give that a shot
[11:27] <thoreauputic> locutus1976: check your /etc/resolv.conf (nameservers)
[11:27] <pdaoust> socomm: http://google.com/linux -- does it implicitly add 'Linux' to all your searches?
[11:27] <NanoTek> bye
[11:27] <thoreauputic> locutus1976: probably a dns problem
[11:27] <tolstoy> Hikaru79, but the luck factor is that the drive is just a rebranded version of one the kernel does support, and i believe dvd-burners all support some sort of standard.
[11:27] <mako> clee: awesome :)
[11:27] <clee> mako: :)
[11:27] <socomm> pdaoust: something like that.
[11:27] <mako> clee: how many did you get again?
[11:28] <clee> mako: 50 x86, 10 amd64, 10 ppc
[11:28] <pdaoust> socomm: cool. thanks!
[11:28] <clee> mako: I have about half of them left
[11:28] <mako> i dropped off a pile at thing.net last night :)
[11:28] <Lord_ZealON> somebody have a pocketpc and can use them with ubuntu?
[11:28] <corbob> locutus1976, do you have support for ipv6, or do you need support for it?
[11:29] <wm_eddie> When do the CDs ship?
[11:30] <locutus1976> thoreauputic: I am looking at the resolv.conf and it says nameserver 206.47.244.53 and 206.47.244.137. Those are my dns servers. Looks ok to me
[11:30] <t17mh> alrightee... ubuntu sources are all here, the experiment is ready to roll :)
[11:30] <corbob> locutus1976, are the pages loading slowly...
[11:30] <corbob> and are you on the 2.6 kernel...
[11:31] <thoreauputic> locutus1976: also , does it vary with browser ? e.g. if you onstall, say, dillo, is it significantly faster?
[11:31] <thoreauputic> *install
[11:31] <locutus1976> I am using the default firefox
[11:31] <zez> there is ubuntu for mac?
[11:31] <thoreauputic> locutus1976: yes, but my question is diagnostic
[11:32] <locutus1976> I don't know how to install anything on my machine
[11:32] <sm> or maybe I don't see
[11:32] <corbob> locutus1976, it is probably an issue with firefox first looking for the ipv6 info...
[11:32] <thoreauputic> locutus1976: if another browser is faster, then you know it's a firefox issue
[11:32] <corbob> it is not needed in most cases and causes it to go slow
[11:32] <sm> I see in that case less kind of goes into F mode automatically
[11:32] <corbob> if you disable ipv6 support in the kernel you should notice a speed increase
[11:33] <sm> but there is still some weirdness, with or without grep
[11:33] <sm> slow display of newoutput, or confusion about whether it's in following/scrolling mode
[11:33] <encryptio> that's just because of less
[11:33] <encryptio> you can leave less if you want
[11:34] <Cube-ness> weird
[11:34] <lemsx1> sm, you do not need the last | less
[11:34] <Cube-ness> oss is like, no worky
[11:34] <corbob> locutus1976, look in /etc/modules.conf and see if there's a line that says alias net-pf-10 off # IPv6...
[11:34] <encryptio> or you can pipe the output of your tail-f|grep and use less +F to read that file
[11:34] <encryptio> like:
[11:34] <lemsx1> sm, because what that says is: if the output of the two previous arguments is longer than whatever the size of my screen, then page it one at a time
[11:34] <corbob> comment that line, and after a reboot firefox should run at a decent speed
[11:34] <sm> lemsx1: no, except to scroll nicely through what I'm filtering
[11:35] <sm> search it, etc
[11:35] <encryptio> tail -f FILE | grep <word> > /tmp/thisismylog & less +F /tmp/thisismylog
[11:35] <lemsx1> sm, in that case, then use tee
[11:35] <encryptio> that'll spawn
[11:35] <encryptio> so if you want to kill it you have to type "fg" and ctrl-c from there
[11:35] <lemsx1> encryptio, that should be grep <word> >& /tmp/this... & less +F /tmp/this...
[11:36] <encryptio> yeah, that
[11:36] <thoreauputic> locutus1976: well, read the wiki about synaptic (to find out about installing) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto/view?searchterm=synaptic
[11:36] <sm> encryptio: I see, that might work more smoothly
[11:37] <corbob> locutus1976, http://mandrakeusers.org/lofiversion/index.php/t15720.html describes the same issue, in fact there's a FAQ entry on the fedora site, and numerous other pages when you search google for slow firefox
[11:37] <encryptio> switch to bitchx...
[11:38] <oldfish> where is the make.conf file for ubuntu?
[11:38] <eclipse> how to enable drop shadow when using x.org?
[11:38] <encryptio> use xcompmgr
[11:38] <encryptio> i don't know details
[11:39] <eclipse> encryptio, use xcompmgr?
[11:39] <encryptio> yeah
[11:39] <encryptio> check the manpage after you've installed it
[11:39] <eclipse> i don't have that app
[11:39] <encryptio> i'm gonna get xorg working
[11:40] <lemsx1> eclipse, the new metacity should detect xorg automatically and allow you to setup some of the new things: like shadows
[11:40] <encryptio> what's the command to kill gdm nicely?
[11:40] <oldfish> hey mates, do you know if there is a make.conf file for ubuntu?
[11:40] <lemsx1> encryptio, update-rc.d gdm stop
[11:40] <t17mh> encryptio: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[11:40] <eclipse> ok, where do i go to get it working
[11:40] <corbob> locutus1976, are you still there?
[11:41] <eclipse> lemsx1, how do i do it?
[11:41] <eclipse> i can't find on the menu
[11:41] <oldfish> i want to compile kde, but i want to have my march settings and etc right
[11:42] <lemsx1> eclipse, from the command line in the case of xcompmgr
[11:42] <locutus1976> sorry phone rang
[11:42] <eclipse> it says command not found
[11:43] <spacey`ki> killall -9 :p
[11:43] <locutus1976> sorry phone rang
[11:43] <corbob> locutus1976, you were complaining of slow page load times in firefox correct...
[11:43] <thoreauputic> encryptio: echo "false" >  /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[11:43] <lemsx1> eclipse, did you install xorg from a package?
[11:43] <locutus1976> phone rang
[11:43] <corbob> oh that's what he meant:|
[11:43] <eclipse> i used apt-get
[11:44] <Riddell> oldfish: what do you mean by march settings?
[11:44] <corbob> sheesh these people that aren't on broadband
[11:44] <lemsx1> eclipse, you might need more tools then... i'm not using xorg from ubuntu. sorry
[11:44] <lemsx1> eclipse, i'm one of those impatients who compile things from source
[11:44] <eclipse> damn that sucks
[11:44] <lemsx1> eclipse, you could wait for encryptio to finish :-)
[11:45] <encryptio> eclipse: i got you, just give me a minute
[11:45] <corbob> hmmmm
[11:45] <eclipse> so what should i do to get it working?
[11:45] <eclipse> cool, ok
[11:45] <locutus1976> sorry I got disconnected
[11:45] <encryptio> eclipse: enable Composite and RENDER extensions in xorg.conf
[11:45] <encryptio> restart x
[11:46] <eclipse> huh?
[11:46] <daniels> render is enabled already
[11:46] <oldfish> Riddell, I mean my settings are i686, athlonxp -02, sorry my brain is dead today, I usually have it in a make file in etc
[11:46] <encryptio> get xcompmgr from here: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[11:47] <oldfish> I just don't want to compile it as i486 that ubuntu is compiled as...
[11:47] <locutus1976> Could ipv6 be the slowing down my web browsing/network performance?
[11:47] <Chibi> Someone really needs to put xcompmgr in the distro. :/
[11:47] <encryptio> that's directions from bitserf, completely untested by me
[11:47] <Chibi> xorg doesn't work well without it.
[11:48] <oldfish> also will HAL work with KDE?
[11:48] <Cube-ness> hmm.. why are oss apps dying?
[11:48] <Cube-ness> hehe
[11:49] <thoreauputic> Cube-ness: Only the *BSDs ;-)
[11:49] <eclipse> encryptio, how do i enable Composite and RENDER extensions in xorg.conf?
[11:49] <thoreauputic> Cube-ness: aha - sorry you meant sound ! (I thought it was a joke)
[11:50] <Cube-ness> heh.. yes.. sound
[11:50] <thoreauputic> Cube-ness: hehe... I thought it was like the famous /. troll (Netcraft confirms - BSD is dying)
[11:51] <daniels> Chibi: xorg works better without xcompmgr -- it's not unusably slow
[11:51] <Riddell> oldfish: HAL bits for KDE are still in development, should be in KDE 3.4
[11:51] <daniels> Chibi: but yes, I'm going to upload it to hoary soon
[11:51] <encryptio> oh shit
[11:51] <bitserf> eclipse: if you have an ATI card, xcompmgr may slow down things quite a bit. not guaranteed that ATI will accelerate it in their next driver release (that support Xorg) either: http://www.rage3d.com/index.php?node=getarticle&u=content%2Finterviews%2FATIChats%2F&p=4
[11:51] <Chibi> daniels, what are you talking about? o_O
[11:51] <oldfish> Thanks Riddell,
[11:51] <encryptio> how do i know what driver i was using in xfree86?
[11:51] <Chibi> xcompmgr makes xorg FASTER >O
[11:51] <daniels> Chibi: compositing stuff makes it very very slow
[11:51] <sm> so most has only a small fraction of less's power and I should stop using it, right
[11:51] <wfx> must go, have fun
[11:51] <daniels> Chibi: ...
[11:51] <oldfish> any idea on my other q?
[11:52] <Cube-ness> this is weird though.. anything that needs OSS totally dies.. fails to init, etc..
[11:52] <Chibi> daniels- You don't need to have anything on. :/
[11:52] <Cube-ness> didnt do this on my other computer
[11:52] <Riddell> oldfish: nope sorry, I just use whatever compile settings it gives me
[11:52] <thoreauputic> sm, less is more , more or less ;)
[11:52] <Chibi> Just run xcompmgr without any options. :o
[11:52] <daniels> Chibi: even enabling the extension causes a massive slowdown because of the way in which the composite extension is implemented currently
[11:52] <oldfish> Riddell: right
[11:53] <Riddell> oldfish: you set CXXFLAGS don't you?
[11:53] <Chibi> daniels- You've lost me. Compositing only increases speed for me. :/
[11:53] <eclipse> damn...then i'm not going to install xcompmgr
[11:53] <sm> thoreauputic: I was speaking of most :)
[11:53] <oldfish> Riddell, I dont really know, Its usually auto for me in Onebase Linux, I mean it asks during the install
[11:54] <sm> I like it's status line.. but it seems limited now
[11:54] <oldfish> Ridell, what about using apt-get to install from source, ever done that?
[11:54] <thoreauputic> sm, well most is more than less, and more is less than most, and more is less thn less ;-)
[11:54] <Riddell> oldfish: I've downloaded source packages
[11:54] <encryptio> guys how do i start xorg without rebooting?
[11:54] <encryptio> oh, gdm
[11:54] <scoon> Can I get some wireless help from anyone here ?
[11:55] <sm> most seems to be less than less
[11:55] <oldfish> Ridell, thats all it does, not like emerge?
[11:55] <Chibi> ctrl+alt+backspace, encryptio
[11:55] <scoon> I am having a difficulty setting up my card w/ a static ip and getting the essid to work out correctly.
[11:55] <Chibi> GDM will automatically restart X for you.
[11:55] <Riddell> oldfish: well then you run dpkg-source -x foo.dsc   to unpack source and debuild -us -uc to build, there may be a way to do all that automatically but it's fairly simple
[11:56] <thoreauputic> sm, most is nice for man pages
[11:56] <oldfish> Riddell: cool!
[11:56] <corbob> hmmm
[11:56] <Riddell> oldfish: it will complain about any dependencies you don't have but you have to download those yourself, won't do it automatically
[11:56] <corbob> some of my cds don't show up in sound juicer...
[11:56] <corbob> but they show up in grip...
[11:58] <encryptio_> my screen is fucked