| dilys | Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: Must specify both project name and product name to identify a distinct product (patch-774) | 03:17 |
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| dilys | Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: changed bug listing to list package/product assignments, with corresponding status, severity, priority, etc. (patch-775) | 03:24 |
| stub | BradB: If you are still around, give me a ping when everything you want has been merged - I'm doing a dogfood update today. | 03:36 |
| BradB | oh, pqm stopped hanging... | 04:02 |
| BradB | s,hanging,looping, | 04:03 |
| BradB | i guess i have to resubmit my last merge request though | 04:03 |
| BradB | oh, shit, i didn't want to resubmit | 04:04 |
| BradB | patch-775 is what i wanted in there | 04:04 |
| BradB | stub: by tomorrow i'm hoping to land a few of the search widgets on the bug listing. i banged my head for a while on trying to figure out how to make a search form using a schema. something like browser:schemadisplay, but Zope 3 certainly wasn't trying to help me out on this task. | 04:06 |
| stub | Did you work it out? I haven't tried generating or handling forms from schemas apart form using the addform/editform gumf. | 04:08 |
| BradB | no. i gave up. i might putzky around when i get back from the grocery store though. a mix of actually trying to make things work slash grokking more of zope 3. | 04:09 |
| BradB | stub: oh, that reminds me. | 04:11 |
| BradB | stub: i was going to ask...i think we need to add owners to assignments. | 04:11 |
| BradB | the bug listing now shows assignments, but since there's no assignment/owner/displayname, all the user'll see in that column is "-" for now | 04:12 |
| stub | If you have found a use case, sure (or even if you havn't - nice information to have even if it is never displayed or used) | 04:12 |
| BradB | stub: it's always displayed. check the bug listing (which is really a listing of assignments) | 04:12 |
| stub | So who should become the owner of all the existing assignments? I might set them to the owner of the bug. | 04:14 |
| BradB | stub: i think setting them to the bug submitter (i.e. bug "owner" :) is sufficient at this early stage. | 04:15 |
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| BradB | stub: hm, i guess Zope 3 is missing a browser:form directive. | 05:26 |
| BradB | i want a directive where i can say: for this name, on this object, render a form using this schema. | 05:28 |
| stub | Similar to registering vocabularies by name? Love those flat namespaces ;) | 05:28 |
| stub | oic - used to attach views to objects | 05:28 |
| stub | That would be cool | 05:28 |
| BradB | well, to make a form that does something that isn't adding or editing. | 05:29 |
| BradB | i'm not sure what browser:schemadisplay does, because i haven't actually implemented an small example to try it out, but at best, it's very oddly named. | 05:29 |
| stub | editform sort of works similarly to what you want already | 05:29 |
| stub | display indicates render-only to me, although that would be pointless because a normal boring view attached to that interface would be just as good... | 05:30 |
| stub | (unless it provides a standard template) | 05:31 |
| BradB | stub: it's possible that browser:addform, browser:editform and browser:form could be collapsed into one directive. from the perspective of someone with a human-sized brain, i really hate when five different variations are given for doing the same conceptual thing, due to implementation details bubbling up to the UI. | 05:31 |
| BradB | for me those are all "creating a form" | 05:32 |
| stub | addform and editform would be difficult to collapse, because one is a view on an object that already exists and the other is a view on something else that lets you create an object. They both would benefit from having an abstracted out 'form' though. | 05:32 |
| BradB | i don't really give an ass that one happens to add an object, one happens to make changes to an object, and one submits a form to be emailed | 05:33 |
| BradB | it was slightly to discouraging to see /Stephan Richter/ saying earlier that Zope 3 is too hard. :) | 05:35 |
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| stub | I suspect it might be - way too much abstraction in all those interfaces. Too many tiny chunks that nobody uses make the bigger chunks you want to use more confusing. | 05:39 |
| stub | (IVocabulary is defined in IBaseVocabulary, IIterableVocabulary and some others - but nobody uses anything by IVocabulary) | 05:40 |
| BradB | stub: not enough development going on by the people that use it to deliver things that work on billable time, i fear. | 05:41 |
| stub | Mmm... | 05:42 |
| BradB | but somehow it still feels no worse than what i've developed web apps with before (e.g. webware is not much more fun when you realize, "oh crap, i need to write my own perms system") | 05:45 |
| BradB | and, well, WRT the complaints stephan himself has, 1. we've known for a long time that TTW schemas are on the way and 2. if stephan's not happy with something, that probably means it'll be improved soonish. | 05:46 |
| stub | Its more fun than Zope2 anyway ;) | 05:48 |
| BradB | hell yeah | 05:48 |
| BradB | as complex as it sometimes feels, i'm hooked | 05:49 |
| stub | I've lived a pretty isolated life and only really played with CGI, Zope2, Zope3 and some Java servelet stuff | 05:50 |
| BradB | i've done CGI, HTML::Mason, Webware, Zope 2, Zope 3, mod_perl. i think that's all of them. | 05:51 |
| stub | Oh - a small stint maintaining embedded perl, which was real scarey ;) | 05:56 |
| BradB | heh | 05:56 |
| BradB | hm, what's the name of an adapter factory that creates an adapter that does nothing? | 05:56 |
| stub | eh? | 05:57 |
| BradB | i want to adapter I1 to I2, I2 is a subset of the attributes of I2, so nothing is needed to actually adapt. | 05:57 |
| BradB | s/attributes of I2/attributes of I1/ | 05:58 |
| stub | There is an implicit adapter, in that if you IFoo(obj) and obj already provides IFoo then you just get obj back | 05:58 |
| BradB | yeah, but this is with b:schemadisplay | 05:58 |
| BradB | it's telling me it can't adapt my I1 to an I2 | 05:58 |
| BradB | so i have to say that I1 provides I2, I guess | 05:59 |
| BradB | instead of registering a "null" adapter to achieve that | 05:59 |
| stub | yes. Or have the l1 interface inherit from the l2 one | 05:59 |
| stub | oh fuck off | 06:01 |
| === stub kicks pqm | ||
| BradB | heh, that was me. i love that bug. | 06:02 |
| stub | pqm is not a labomized monkey, it is an autistic one that like to sit in the corner banging its head against the wall ;-( | 06:02 |
| BradB | heh | 06:02 |
| stub | lifeless: pqm ping | 06:02 |
| stub | elmo: pqm ping | 06:03 |
| BradB | stub: i thought you killed the pqm infinite loop earlier? because earlier it was looping on your merge. | 06:03 |
| stub | not me. Just happened that the patch I submitted before I went to bed got processed just after I had my morning coffee. | 06:03 |
| stub | I don't have that sort of access to chinstrap | 06:04 |
| BradB | so yeah, b:schemadisplay simply displays those fields. | 06:04 |
| BradB | wee | 06:05 |
| stub | I think you can build what you want using editform to render and validate a form, which can later be wired up into a .zcml directive. | 06:05 |
| BradB | yeah, i was thinking of doing it that way earlier. a bit of a dirty workaround until browser:form is implemented, but it'll do, i suppose. | 06:07 |
| stub | form = SchemaForm(IFoo, default_ifoo) | 06:07 |
| stub | form.render(request) | 06:07 |
| stub | result = form.handle(request) # returns an object() providing IFoo with attributes all set | 06:08 |
| BradB | sweeeet. | 06:08 |
| stub | The zcml directive would just register a SchemaForm with a givenname and template | 06:08 |
| stub | Oh... need a form.validate in there, and request can be passed into the constructor | 06:09 |
| BradB | is this science fiction, or you giving an example of what to put in the view? | 06:10 |
| stub | It is science fiction, but I think it can be worked up fairly easily using the existing editform | 06:11 |
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| BradB | yeah, it would seem that way | 06:11 |
| stub | But not this weekend ;) | 06:13 |
| stub | Oops... need to head off before the shops close... | 06:13 |
| stub | There is a patch in the queue to add owners to *BugAssignment and the Malone & test case fallout btw. | 06:24 |
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| dilys | Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--production--1.3: cherry pick fixed ArchiveLocation instantiation (patch-1) | 11:44 |
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| SteveA | don't forget to put on your lens | 11:52 |
| sabdfl | morning, ish | 12:51 |
| SteveA | hi | 12:57 |
| SteveA | a couple of python wizards are arriving at my place today, to stay in the spare room for a week or two. | 12:58 |
| SteveA | There's a pypy (python-in-python) sprint in vilnius. | 12:58 |
| sabdfl | cool | 01:18 |
| SteveA | If my ubuntu CDs arrive before they leave, I'll spread a few around, and give some to Laura Crighton to take back to Strakt. | 01:49 |
| SteveA | if not, POV have a cd burner. | 01:49 |
| dilys | Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: *BugAssignment.owner (patch-776) | 03:52 |
| dilys | Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: polish malone (patch-777) | 04:02 |
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| BradB | morning | 05:07 |
| BradB | SteveA: ping | 05:07 |
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| SteveA | hi Brad | 10:24 |
| BradB | hi | 10:24 |
| BradB | on phone :) | 10:26 |
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| BradB | back! | 10:34 |
| BradB | maybe i should take this to #zope3-dev | 10:34 |
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| SteveA | BradB: I reckon I can look at doing this form thing early next week. Do you think it would speed up development? | 11:26 |
| BradB | SteveA: yes. e.g. for the bug search form, it takes too much effort to hand-code HTML widgets + validation. | 11:27 |
| SteveA | yeah | 11:27 |
| SteveA | I did do something a bit like this for my first zope3 project | 11:27 |
| SteveA | but it was what I ended up near, after hacking / customizing / forking edit-form | 11:28 |
| SteveA | and it was a mess | 11:28 |
| BradB | eek | 11:28 |
| SteveA | so, I think your ideas of doing it afresh, and simply, are better | 11:28 |
| BradB | in the abscense of this, i'll probably have to hand-code HTML, but it'll just cost more money to maintain until a make-my-life-easier browser:form directive exists | 11:28 |
| SteveA | it would be useful to me if you hand-code this one in HTML. then, it becomes the first candidate for replacement | 11:29 |
| SteveA | but it provides a real first example | 11:29 |
| BradB | yes, i will, because i want something working this weekend no matter what. | 11:29 |
| BradB | (e.g. even if hand-coding is necessary, which for now it is) | 11:29 |
| SteveA | ok. let's talk about it more next week, when you've done the form, and I've emptied some of my todo list | 11:29 |
| BradB | sure | 11:30 |
| BradB | thanks | 11:30 |
| SteveA | thanks for bringing this up! | 11:30 |
| BradB | no prob :) | 11:30 |
| SteveA | I think this might lead to more sane add/edit forms eventually too | 11:30 |
| BradB | i hope so. | 11:30 |
| SteveA | if you get an example with more than one form on a page, let me know | 11:30 |
| BradB | ok | 11:31 |
| SteveA | I'd rather work from a real-life requirement than a kind of "it would be neat", of course | 11:31 |
| BradB | yes | 11:31 |
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