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| sjoerd | daniels: mwoah, dualhead works ! :) | 12:17 |
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| daniels | sjoerd: sweet! with the benh patch, or? | 12:17 |
| sjoerd | yeah | 12:18 |
| sjoerd | there are some issues.. but basically it works | 12:18 |
| daniels | awesome | 12:19 |
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| tseng | oh my, rich burridge has taken planet gnome by storm | 12:55 |
| chrisa | Looks like most of his semi recent posts are being shown | 12:59 |
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| mojo_ | arg.. | 01:25 |
| mojo_ | hope u guys release a beta disk soon | 01:26 |
| mojo_ | cause sometimes when I test the program | 01:26 |
| mojo_ | or update new program | 01:26 |
| mojo_ | whole thing breaks (I know it will break) | 01:26 |
| mojo_ | then I reinstall the Ubuntu Warty and update all over again | 01:26 |
| mojo_ | it consumes lots of time | 01:26 |
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| bob2 | erm | 01:57 |
| bob2 | the reinstall step sounds like your problem there... | 01:58 |
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| tseng | yeah im not sure what the point of that is | 02:31 |
| tseng | but there is a beta installer posted to the ml | 02:32 |
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| mojo_ | tseng: beta installer ??? where? can u pls show me? | 02:57 |
| mojo_ | I just have Novell Linux Desktop installed, it runs much slower compare to Ubuntu but I still love its theme. Is there any chance we adopt their Industrial theme for GDM, bootsplash and other stuff? | 02:59 |
| bob2 | it's certainly possible, but I don't think looking identical to Novell is in the plan | 02:59 |
| mojo_ | bob2: while developing Human theme, i think we can use Novell Industrial as default theme | 03:01 |
| bob2 | why? | 03:02 |
| tseng | mojo_: no, you can find the mailing list archives for yourself | 03:03 |
| tseng | the subject is Array CD 1 | 03:05 |
| bob2 | if hoary is making your system unusable, tho, make sure you're filing bugs :) | 03:06 |
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| sivang | darn, hoary-changes is getting spam alreayd ? | 03:58 |
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| sladen | bob2: jdub's Ubuntu theme was(?) called 'indubstrial' IIRC | 04:11 |
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| bob2 | hm, sure iit's not a TYPO? | 05:03 |
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| mojo_ | hehe, hi all ppl | 06:25 |
| mojo_ | I just copy all theme and artwork files from Novell Desktop to Ubuntu | 06:26 |
| mojo_ | it works perfectly | 06:26 |
| mojo_ | and the theme is so so so called master piece of art | 06:26 |
| mojo_ | is it possible to use Novell theme in Hoary without encountering any legal issues?? | 06:27 |
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| fabbione | morning guys | 07:45 |
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| mojo_ | good monring | 08:10 |
| mojo_ | how's ur progress fabbi? | 08:10 |
| fabbione | mojo_: progress about what? | 08:11 |
| mojo_ | X.org | 08:17 |
| fabbione | it's in hoary | 08:18 |
| fabbione | since a almost a week | 08:18 |
| mojo_ | i know | 08:18 |
| mojo_ | it runs well | 08:18 |
| fabbione | well there is not much more than xfree86 | 08:18 |
| fabbione | they are the same sources' | 08:18 |
| mojo_ | true | 08:18 |
| mojo_ | true | 08:19 |
| fabbione | we are just waiting for people to realize that :-) | 08:19 |
| mojo_ | yeah | 08:19 |
| mojo_ | can u explain to me this: | 08:19 |
| fabbione | "hey i updated to X.org but nothing changed.. is that normal?" | 08:19 |
| bob2 | fabbione: composite is too slow! | 08:19 |
| mojo_ | as I read in the Linux Certification Book by HaddyLo Publisher | 08:19 |
| fabbione | bob2: known problem. | 08:20 |
| fabbione | bob2: composite is a) buggy b) slow | 08:20 |
| mojo_ | they said Xfree86 was created as GNU to server all Linux community | 08:20 |
| fabbione | bob2: that's an upstream very well known issue | 08:20 |
| mojo_ | and to do same thing as another X server | 08:20 |
| bob2 | xfree86 was not created by gnu | 08:20 |
| bob2 | gnu adopted it as their window system, tho | 08:21 |
| bob2 | but continue to argue about the license | 08:21 |
| mojo_ | but how come recently they announce not to be free at some point anymore? | 08:21 |
| fabbione | xfree86 was born at the MIT. | 08:21 |
| bob2 | (mit/x11 one, not the BRaVe New License idiocy) | 08:21 |
| mojo_ | do Xfre886 want to kill themselve? | 08:21 |
| bob2 | mojo_: apparently they do | 08:21 |
| fabbione | mojo_: it's all written in the FAQ | 08:21 |
| mojo_ | i c | 08:21 |
| bob2 | mojo_: people.debian.org/~branden/xsf/ | 08:21 |
| mojo_ | poor little pathetic Xfree86 | 08:21 |
| fabbione | it's in the packages too | 08:21 |
| fabbione | no it's not xfree86 fault | 08:22 |
| fabbione | it's fault of Dawe >something> | 08:22 |
| fabbione | /usr/share/doc/xorg-common/FAQ.xhtml.gz | 08:22 |
| bob2 | ah | 08:22 |
| fabbione | it should be updated enough to report all the crap that happened to xfree86 | 08:22 |
| mojo_ | i understand now | 08:23 |
| mojo_ | thx | 08:23 |
| mojo_ | fabbione: I just grab the latest Industrial theme from Novell Linux Desktop | 08:26 |
| mojo_ | fabbione: I want to pack it up but I'm not really sure whether Ubuntu allow to use it or not | 08:26 |
| fabbione | mojo_: it depends from the licence | 08:28 |
| mojo_ | fabbione: I don't find any documents related to this | 08:30 |
| mojo_ | fabbione: but I think if Industrial is used in Ubuntu then new Industrial theme is OK too | 08:30 |
| fabbione | iirc we had to revert to an older version because of licence issues | 08:30 |
| fabbione | you need to talk with... | 08:30 |
| mojo_ | ? | 08:31 |
| mojo_ | pitt? | 08:31 |
| fabbione | probably jdub | 08:31 |
| mojo_ | jdub | 08:31 |
| mojo_ | ok | 08:31 |
| mojo_ | thx | 08:32 |
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| jblack | Am I the only guy that has a problem with firefox getting stuck for 20-30 seconds at a time, and crashing every few dozen forms? | 08:46 |
| bob2 | hh | 08:47 |
| mojo_ | http://opax.swin.edu.au/~2529386/ABC.png | 09:03 |
| bob2 | heh, swinburne | 09:08 |
| mojo_ | yeh | 09:08 |
| daniels | unimelb pride | 09:09 |
| daniels | fabbione: David Dawes | 09:09 |
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| VileScum | Hi, I've been mirroring ubuntu in Australia for a while now and have listed my mirror on the wiki, how do I go about getting it listed on the mirror page, I've emailed the address listed but have had no response | 10:17 |
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| mojo_ | what version OOo is that of Novell Linux Desktop? I mean the one that has some GTKFileChoose conversion code. I want to see that version in Hoary. | 10:31 |
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| mojo_ | where are u pitti??? | 01:04 |
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| trulux | hey | 02:54 |
| trulux | does anybody hear for the meeting on #debian-hardened? | 03:06 |
| mvo_ | any arch gurus available? | 03:09 |
| bob2 | mvo_: jah | 03:09 |
| mvo_ | cool! | 03:10 |
| mvo_ | here's my questions: | 03:10 |
| mvo_ | if I branch of say apt--MAIN--0 (branchname: apt--mvo--0) | 03:10 |
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| mvo_ | and now I'm in apt--mvo--0, how do I get the missing patch ? tla missing? | 03:10 |
| bob2 | "tla missing apt--MAIN--0" will show what's missing | 03:11 |
| bob2 | star-merge is how you bring them | 03:11 |
| bob2 | in | 03:11 |
| mvo_ | is there a way to make "apt--MAIN--0" the default param for tla misssing? | 03:11 |
| bob2 | not in baz or tla, unfortunately | 03:12 |
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| mvo_ | can I request a whishlist item for this ;) ? | 03:13 |
| bob2 | hehe, sure | 03:13 |
| mvo_ | ok, tla misssing apt--MAIN--0 tells me: "not a directory ($PATH/{arch}/apt--MAIN--0) | 03:14 |
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| mvo_ | but apt--MAIN--0 lives on apt@arch.ubuntu.com | 03:14 |
| mvo_ | is there something wrong with my branch :( ? | 03:14 |
| bob2 | tla missing apt@arch.ubuntu.com/apt--MAIN--0 | 03:14 |
| mvo_ | that's a pretty long name ... | 03:14 |
| bob2 | yeah | 03:15 |
| bob2 | this is the sort of thing we're looking at for baz | 03:15 |
| mvo_ | I'm pretty new to arch, but do people really type all this in? no shortcuts? | 03:15 |
| bob2 | well, I use my shell history | 03:15 |
| mvo_ | ok :) | 03:16 |
| bob2 | probably just "ctrl-r apt@a<enter>" for me | 03:16 |
| mvo_ | thanks! | 03:16 |
| bob2 | you might want to start creating shell aliases :-) | 03:16 |
| mvo_ | yeah :) | 03:16 |
| bob2 | but yeah, it does suck, sorry :-/ | 03:16 |
| mvo_ | I'll proably need help resolving conflicts in a minute, stay tuned :P | 03:17 |
| bob2 | heh, sure | 03:17 |
| mvo_ | does a arch branch always has exactly one ancestor? or can you have more than one? | 03:18 |
| bob2 | well...it's kinda complicated | 03:18 |
| bob2 | you can create a tree that is made up of two branches on top of each other | 03:18 |
| bob2 | and you can branch *into* one branch more than once | 03:19 |
| bob2 | but normally, yes, they only have one ancestor | 03:19 |
| === mvo_ mind boggles | ||
| bob2 | heh | 03:19 |
| bob2 | in the common case, "yes, only one ancestor" :-) | 03:19 |
| mvo_ | well, I was wondering if the default for "tla missing" should be the ancestor then :) | 03:20 |
| bob2 | ah | 03:20 |
| bob2 | well, good point, but another common use is the current default, "what am I missing from the current branch" | 03:20 |
| bob2 | tho I'd bet your suggestion is more common | 03:20 |
| mvo_ | the other variant is used when you just check out a branch? | 03:21 |
| mvo_ | maybe a shortcut command like "tla missing-ancestor" (none will notice one more command ;) | 03:22 |
| bob2 | hahaa | 03:22 |
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| mvo_ | anyway, I have a bunch of conlicts of in po files. with svn I usually just delete them and check them out again. can I do that with tla as well? | 03:22 |
| bob2 | there're a few commands that could do with defaulting to the ancestor | 03:22 |
| mvo_ | cool! go for it :) | 03:23 |
| bob2 | hm, no, deleting files will not get tla to revert them | 03:23 |
| bob2 | which side of the merge do you want to keep? | 03:23 |
| mvo_ | the upstream branch side | 03:24 |
| === RubenV would like to request a resync on ndiswrapper | ||
| RubenV | latest in universe is .10, release is .11 | 03:26 |
| RubenV | build files are in the release so it shouldn't be a problem | 03:26 |
| bob2 | RubenV: is it in sid yet? | 03:26 |
| RubenV | my laptop freezes when probing ndis on boot, hopefully .11 fixes it | 03:26 |
| bob2 | mvo_: hrm | 03:26 |
| RubenV | absolutely no idea | 03:26 |
| bob2 | packages.debian.org/ndiswrapper | 03:26 |
| bob2 | "resync" = "pull from debian" | 03:26 |
| RubenV | it's called ndiswrapper-utils i think | 03:28 |
| RubenV | sec :) | 03:28 |
| RubenV | seems like it's nowhere around :) | 03:28 |
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| mvo_ | bob2: so this is a problem :) ? | 03:40 |
| bob2 | mvo_: yeah, I'm trying to find a simple solution :-/ | 03:40 |
| mvo_ | oh, thanks a lot | 03:40 |
| mvo_ | IIRC I read something about it on the wiki | 03:41 |
| mvo_ | https://www.warthogs.hbd.com/ArchGripes#head-ff25fda502c4401e3f6240b17111ec50f623aa84 | 03:42 |
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| mojo_ | yay! Novell Edition of OOo is awesome! | 04:37 |
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| RubenV | Package esound was not found in the pkg-config search path. | 05:52 |
| RubenV | Perhaps you should add the directory containing `esound.pc' | 05:52 |
| RubenV | is there an esound-dev pkg of some kind? | 05:52 |
| paulproteus | libesd0-dev ? | 05:53 |
| azeem | RubenV: which package are you building? | 05:53 |
| RubenV | i'm checking out the vu meter work by rodney dawes | 05:54 |
| RubenV | paulproteus: aha, i was searching for esound | 05:54 |
| RubenV | thanks | 05:54 |
| paulproteus | RubenV: Sure thing. The Enlightened Sound Daemon's internal name is esd; Debian calls it esound. | 05:54 |
| azeem | or try polypaudio | 05:55 |
| RubenV | gentoo calls it esound too :) | 05:55 |
| paulproteus | Yes, polypaudio does a lot less sucking than esd a lot of the time. | 05:55 |
| paulproteus | There's another package called esd; I can't remember what it is off the top of my head. | 05:55 |
| RubenV | azeem: i try to stay close to the main ubuntu dist | 05:55 |
| azeem | RubenV: hoary switched to polypaudio, AFAIK | 05:56 |
| RubenV | i'm on hoary and i'm not having any polyp* installed yet | 05:57 |
| azeem | hmm | 05:57 |
| RubenV | weird :) | 05:57 |
| azeem | what about libpolyp*? | 05:57 |
| RubenV | nothing | 05:58 |
| mjg59 | It's in universe | 05:58 |
| mjg59 | Not in supported | 05:58 |
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| Mitario | lo all | 06:07 |
| mvo_ | hi Mitario | 06:17 |
| mvo_ | I uploaded a new version of the update-manager | 06:17 |
| mvo_ | some small tweaks, like desktop file and icon and a small bugfix | 06:17 |
| mvo_ | you may want to sync it with your repository | 06:17 |
| mvo_ | :) | 06:17 |
| Mitario | yeah indeed :) | 06:18 |
| Mitario | any word from kerneljanitors? :) | 06:18 |
| mvo_ | the icon is not uebernice, if you have a cool idea, just change it | 06:18 |
| mvo_ | unfortunatelly not yet :( | 06:18 |
| Mitario | :( | 06:18 |
| mvo_ | gustavo was not onlne all day | 06:18 |
| Mitario | ok np | 06:19 |
| Mitario | * tree is already up to date :) | 06:19 |
| mvo_ | otherwise I would have nagged him :) | 06:19 |
| mvo_ | tla? | 06:19 |
| Mitario | yeah | 06:19 |
| mvo_ | give me a second | 06:19 |
| Mitario | ok | 06:19 |
| === mvo_ calls tla archive-mirror | ||
| Mitario | :) | 06:20 |
| mvo_ | arrgggs, mirrored wrong repostitory | 06:22 |
| === mvo_ calls tla update-mirror again :) | ||
| mvo_ | can you please tla update? | 06:22 |
| Mitario | done | 06:24 |
| mvo_ | everything ok? no missing files? | 06:28 |
| mvo_ | I keep forgetting to tla add s.th. usually ;) | 06:28 |
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| lamont_r | morning | 06:35 |
| paulproteus | Good morning. | 06:35 |
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| Mitario | re | 07:27 |
| === wasabi_ thinking about offline desktop operation for a nfs mounted ~ and ldap/kerberos based network. | ||
| RubenV | you need something like coda | 07:30 |
| wasabi_ | Yeah. Mostly im thinking about the desktop experience right now. What the user would see. | 07:31 |
| wasabi_ | and pam/nss. | 07:31 |
| RubenV | well, it should be transparently actually | 07:32 |
| wasabi_ | It cannot be. | 07:32 |
| wasabi_ | There are simply things that need to be known. | 07:32 |
| RubenV | like what? | 07:32 |
| wasabi_ | Well, I refuse to believe that the synchronization at reconnection is possible without some level of user interaction | 07:33 |
| wasabi_ | In all cases. | 07:33 |
| wasabi_ | I think the user should know when he's not logged into his network (has a kerberos ticket), and should be able to plug in his cable and be prompted for it. | 07:33 |
| wasabi_ | He needs to know he's "offline" | 07:34 |
| === infinity tries to remember if NT warns you that you're offline when it can't find a domain controller, or if it just falls back to cached creds and assumes you knwo what's going on... | ||
| wasabi_ | it falls back, and sometimes things break. | 07:35 |
| wasabi_ | Like synchronized shares. | 07:35 |
| wasabi_ | and those damned roaming profies. | 07:36 |
| wasabi_ | profiles | 07:36 |
| wasabi_ | i think the easiest place to start is with altering NSCD to do long term caching in the case of a connection error in nss_ldap or whatever. | 07:39 |
| wasabi_ | and after that, some sort of pam_cache module to do login caching. | 07:39 |
| paulproteus | pam_cache - http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-May/msg00382.html | 07:40 |
| paulproteus | Hmm, that sounds really ugly. Here's hoping you do it in a saner manner, and then release it. ;) | 07:40 |
| wasabi_ | heh. Yeah. Well, the idea is similar. | 07:42 |
| RubenV | is there a program to see what files a deb installed? | 07:44 |
| RubenV | apt ain't in my fingers yet | 07:44 |
| RubenV | hmmm, this question belonged on the main channel, sry | 07:45 |
| wasabi_ | RubenV, dpkg -L | 07:53 |
| RubenV | thx, appearantly, it has the same interface as qpkg on gentoo | 07:57 |
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| lamont_r | mjg59: commenting out the screen blanking fixes the issue.!! | 09:51 |
| mjg59 | lamont_r: Weird. Sounds like an X bug of some sort. | 09:53 |
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| Keybuk | X bug? shocking | 09:56 |
| lamont_r | mjg59: well, it could be some interaction with the bios and blanking - only shows up if you leave the lid closed > 10 minutes or so.. | 10:00 |
| lamont_r | I'll see if I can reproduceit with xorg when I get home | 10:00 |
| Keybuk | I think I have a known X.org bug ... it randomly blanks the screen even when typing | 10:02 |
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| Nafallo | hi ppl. | 10:20 |
| Nafallo | guess what. warty just died on me. or more correctly... gnome's nautilus and all panels. | 10:21 |
| Nafallo | I got the weather panel and the hide desktop left :-P | 10:22 |
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| Nafallo | anyway. I'm moving over to hoary :-). | 10:28 |
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| Kyaneos | hi | 10:31 |
| Nafallo | Kyaneos: hi | 10:32 |
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| daniels | Keybuk: yeah, known issue | 10:57 |
| daniels | Keybuk: unfortunately it's XFree86 4.4 and I've seen the code | 10:57 |
| daniels | Keybuk: so I've posted a plain-English description for someone to cleanroom. it's dead simple. you wanna do it? :) | 10:57 |
| Keybuk | sure | 10:57 |
| thom | yeah, i see the weird blanking thing | 10:59 |
| daniels | it's not weird at all | 11:00 |
| daniels | some clown refactored the dpms code and forgot to put the 'when there's input, reset the timer' code in | 11:00 |
| daniels | i'd say it's perfectly normal behaviour for that sort of code :P | 11:00 |
| Keybuk | tsk | 11:01 |
| Keybuk | have you withdrawn you^Whis commit access? :) | 11:02 |
| daniels | daniel@tycho:~% ssh gabe.freedesktop.org getent passwd dawes | 11:02 |
| daniels | Enter passphrase for key '/home/daniel/.ssh/tycho-gabe': | 11:02 |
| daniels | daniel@tycho:~% | 11:02 |
| daniels | there's better reason than the dpms crap to not give him access | 11:03 |
| Keybuk | heh | 11:04 |
| x4m | sleep | 11:12 |
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