[12:01] <plovs_> i'm of to sleep, thanks ChrisH for not revoking my svn-pass yet, enrico for saving the day
[12:01] <enrico> plovs_: please sleep well: it wasn't your fault, I bet :)
[12:02] <ChrisH> plovs_: Why should I revoke anything? Kidding? :)
[12:02] <ChrisH> plovs_: That's the advantage of a repository. If anything breaks just go back to an earlier version.
[12:03] <ChrisH> plovs_: If you ever find me cancelling an account for such a poor reason I deserver to be banned from here!
[12:03] <plovs_> :-) night guys
[12:03] <ChrisH> renite...
[12:04] <ChrisH> . o O ( and if anything breaks seriouly just ask enrico :) ) O o .
[12:04] <sivang> enrico : are busy at the moment?
[12:05] <enrico> about to go to bed: can I be of last-minute help?
[12:06] <enrico> ChrisH: make a daily backup of the repository, just in case :)
[12:06] <sivang> enrico : I would like to start putting stuff into yelp, do you know anything of it?
[12:07] <sivang> I already thought about creating a ubuntnu-doc pacakge,
[12:07] <enrico> sivang: no, but I can study in the next days
[12:07] <enrico> maybe hornbeck knows about it, too
[12:07] <sivang> ok, I am also in contact with shaunm, it's author so we should be able to get help from him also..
[12:07] <sivang> however, as I am not that experienced I find it at times hard to understand his instructions :)
[12:11] <enrico> sivang: just pretend you know a lot and forward those instructions around :)
[12:12] <sivang> hahah
[12:12] <sivang> Good night enrico
[12:20] <plovs_> sivang, still awake?
[12:21] <sivang> yes , trying to get some work done after I've been pretty ill most of the day
[12:21] <sivang> :(
[12:21] <plovs_> too bad
[12:21] <plovs_> yelp just uses docbook
[12:22] <sivang> plovs_ : I know, I am thinking of creating a package that will hold our docs from our svn server,
[12:22] <plovs_> if you are interested in that, make a list of docs you would like t o have in yelp
[12:22] <sivang> and will just copy the docbook xml documentation to somwhere (/usr/share/ubuntu-doc) and then run update-scrollkeeper
[12:23] <sivang> so it would get registered
[12:23] <plovs_> we should see if we can get all the important docs in yelp
[12:23] <plovs_> including manpages
[12:23] <sivang> manpages...hmmm
[12:24] <plovs_> and we need to bug the author to fix searching
[12:24] <plovs_> some manpages are good
[12:24] <sivang> havn't given though to that, but I know there are several gtk tools which let you read man pages in gnome
[12:24] <sivang> yes they are..some aren't :)
[12:24] <plovs_> man pages are build from docbook
[12:24] <plovs_> at least they can be
[12:24] <sivang> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3353
[12:25] <plovs_> we want to get the faq in yelp as well
[12:25] <sivang> anyway, I am trying now to do some of the tasks up this backlog :)
[12:25] <sivang> after which I will go through my task list from the doc meeting summary
[12:25] <plovs_> nice!
[12:26] <sivang>  at least, I think I am feeling better 
[12:26] <sivang> btw, read the bug?
[12:26] <plovs_> btw i prefer info pages over doc pages
[12:26] <plovs_> yes
[12:27] <sivang> I never got along with info :)
[12:27] <plovs_> i spoke with mdz about help docs, we can just make packages
[12:27] <plovs_> for yelp i mean
[12:28] <plovs_> i found tickets btw, will order on monday
[12:30] <sivang> yes, I had that answer from him sometime ago, I think. however yelp is going to need some lovin for release:)
[12:30] <sivang> I have 3 pending orders which I can cancell..
[12:30] <sivang> I'm bargaining to get the lowest price I can :)
[12:30] <sivang> how much did you find?
[12:31] <plovs_> yes about yelp, cool about the tickets
[12:31] <sivang> I mean, what price? (you don't have to answer if you don't want too)
[12:31] <sivang> :)
[12:31] <plovs_> 350 euro
[12:32] <sivang> I see.. well mine's around 350-400$..still trying to get another discount :) It's kind'a acceptable here :)
[12:32] <sivang> but this is the price from europ I heared :)
[12:32] <sivang> it's kind'a expansive there
[12:32] <sivang> you in holland or something?
[12:32] <sivang> (if I recall right)
[12:33] <plovs_> i'm in latvia atm but from holland
[12:33] <sivang> ah right ;)
[12:33] <plovs_> and i'll fly over belgium
[12:34] <sivang> nice, you said your sister is there , right?
[12:34] <plovs_> prices are so weird, between 1 euro to 1000 euro a ticket
[12:34] <plovs_> yes, i'll be visiting her
[12:34] <sivang> that's nice :)
[12:35] <sivang> anyway, could you help me with some wiki catching up?
[12:35] <sivang> :)
[12:35] <sivang> I've basically avided ZWiki , until I could have a personal session with it's master :)
[12:35] <plovs_> well quickly before my eyes close by themselves :-)
[12:35] <plovs_> ok, shoot
[12:35] <sivang> how I should be adding pages?
[12:36] <sivang> (It's not the same as was in MoinMoin I remember)
[12:36] <plovs_> go to the bottom of the motherpage it has a box, add a name and add page
[12:37] <plovs_> pages are sorted in a tree
[12:37] <sivang> motherpage == fronpage ?
[12:37] <plovs_> no there should not be anything under FrontPage
[12:37] <plovs_> AllPages is the root
[12:38] <plovs_> and then by theme: HowTo Warty etc
[12:38] <sivang> ok, so if I want to add something to https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals
[12:38] <plovs_> another page?
[12:39] <sivang> I am adding our UDP list of hoary goald
[12:39] <sivang> goals
[12:39] <plovs_> if it for us, go to docteam, otherwise under https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog
[12:39] <sivang> strange, it shows me the source in ReST Of the UDP page
[12:40] <sivang> that was imported from MoinMOin
[12:40] <plovs_> if i touched it, then it is no longer in moin
[12:40] <sivang> :)
[12:43] <sivang> I am also thinking of adding yet another section to FP,
[12:43] <sivang> "I want to help"
[12:43] <sivang> devided to sections for, artwork, docs, development,advocacy
[12:44] <sivang> (another of my "good" ideas")
[12:44] <plovs_> What if you make a page for it and link to it from the frontpage
[12:44] <sivang> yes , better
[12:45] <plovs_> instead of many links
[12:45] <sivang> :)
[12:45] <sivang> yes to not clutter the main apge
[12:45] <sivang> that would mean that we remove the "Want to help?" at the top of page
[12:46] <plovs_> Maybe make it link to your new page
[12:46] <plovs_> WikiToDo is also under wiki
[12:46] <sivang> .. is remakr?
[12:46] <sivang> ok, great. not to add YASTFP
[12:46] <sivang> :)
[12:47] <sivang> Yet Another Section To Front Page
[12:47] <sivang> :)
[12:47] <plovs_> i had almost deciphered it :)
[12:47] <sivang> **How can you help? Check out the WikiToDo list**
[12:47] <plovs_> put https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocumentHowto on your page, it explains how to create wiki-pages
[12:47] <sivang> how does it know where to link ?
[12:47] <sivang> yes
[12:47] <plovs_>  WikiToDo is a WikiWord
[12:48] <plovs_> it automatically links
[12:48] <sivang> ah, at least that was kept in ReST :)
[12:48] <plovs_> so would SiVang if you would like it to
[12:50] <plovs_> i can't believe http://wiki.ubuntu.com still has not been fixed
[12:50] <plovs_> it's weeks now
[12:50] <sivang> How can you help? Check out the general TodoList? and for the blogger in nature, the WikiToDo list
[12:50] <sivang> this is ok?
[12:50] <sivang> provide a shortcut to the wiki to do list
[12:52] <plovs_> sure, you can make sections on the todo page as well
[12:52] <plovs_> and then add graphical work there as well
[12:52] <sivang> hmm..I leave the icons for you :)
[12:52] <sivang> you icons addcit!
[12:52] <sivang> addict
[12:53] <plovs_> i read how you can make videos as well, of your linux desktop
[12:53] <plovs_> :-)
[12:53] <sivang> :)
[12:53] <plovs_> i have one how jakub draws a new icon in gimp
[12:53] <plovs_> really nice
[12:54] <sivang> jakub?
[12:54] <plovs_> he makes lots of gnome icons
[12:54] <plovs_> he might make an icon for the wiki as well
[12:55] <plovs_> but we should get our text in order first
[12:55] <plovs_> text is more important then layout
[12:56] <sivang> great!
[12:56] <sivang> I always like some upstream lovin' :)
[12:58] <plovs_> speaking of late, it's almost 2 o'clock, i need to get some sleep
[12:58] <plovs_> cu tomorrow
[12:59] <sivang> night
[01:10] <sivang> hey skyrider!
[01:11] <skyrider> hey
[01:12] <skyrider> sivang: I've written some info about myself - you can find it at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AlexeyMolchanov
[01:14] <sivang> thanks! I am thinking of adding some internationalization section to the docteam page, so we would know about each lang community administrators and people.
[01:16] <skyrider> sounds good
[01:17] <sivang> However this may have some common parts with the Internationalization team..
[01:17] <sivang> so I am still not sure about it
[01:18] <skyrider> Probably it's better to discuss this on ubuntu-doc
[01:18] <skyrider> or ubuntu-translators
[01:19] <sivang> yes
[01:20] <skyrider> ok
[01:21] <skyrider> :)
[01:21] <sivang> I've seen you did some more wiki work, great.
[01:21] <sivang> http://kid.stu.cn.ua/~skyrider/ <== what's there ? :)
[01:21] <skyrider> yes
[01:21] <skyrider> "Nothing useful yet" ;)
[01:22] <skyrider> some random stuff I ever was interested in
[01:22] <sivang> ah nice. this is the uni webserver?
[01:22] <skyrider> Yes
[01:22] <sivang> http://kid.stu.cn.ua/~skyrider/docs/debian/apt/guide.html/ <== this is also on debian doc corner?
[01:23] <skyrider> Yes
[01:23] <skyrider> But it's only copy of standard debian docs
[01:24] <sivang> ok, you got them handy :)
[01:24] <skyrider> Our students usually don't have access to internet (*shame to the university*)
[01:24] <sivang> I am also learning packaging at the moment
[01:24] <sivang> yes , it is a shame
[01:24] <skyrider> so I've decide to make some useful docs available for them
[01:24] <sivang> great
[01:26] <skyrider> Today my good friend with my help translated one more HowTo
[01:26] <skyrider> Result here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToGetHelpRussian
[01:26] <sivang> superb!
[01:27] <skyrider> You are welcome :)
[01:27] <sivang> could you please have a list of all translated material under the russian community page / or somwehre on the wiki?
[01:27] <sivang> we must make sure no good work like yours slipps away
[01:28] <sivang> :)
[01:28] <sivang> I liked the icons
[01:28] <skyrider> it's already there: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RussianDocumentation
[01:28] <sivang> nice, yeah I found it now :)
[01:29] <skyrider> Some more restructurization of that page needed
[01:29] <sivang> no prob, just make sure everything will go there
[01:29] <skyrider> But it is task for the future
[01:29] <skyrider> sivang: Of course!
[01:29] <sivang> btw, you didn'
[01:29] <sivang> find me any links for you
[01:29] <sivang> arghh
[01:29] <sivang> that damn [ENTER]  :)
[01:30] <skyrider> :) What links?
[01:30] <sivang> you found any photos for where you are? :)
[01:30] <skyrider> Oops, sorry!
[01:30] <sivang> this is me : http://www.pbase.com/jsr2497/haifa
[01:30] <sivang> :)
[01:30] <skyrider> I have them. But I need to choose some nice for you
[01:30] <sivang> I hope this doesn't take too long to load on dialup
[01:31] <skyrider> It's loading................................ ;)
[01:31] <skyrider> Excellent!
[01:32] <skyrider> Very beautiful place
[01:32] <sivang> you might find this also useful :)))
[01:32] <sivang> http://www.pbase.com/ilanphoto/studance
[01:33] <skyrider> Oh, Bikini girl! ;)
[01:34] <sivang> yeah :)
[01:34] <sivang> haha
[01:35] <skyrider> Very interesting photos :) Thanks
[01:35] <sivang> no problem. I really like what Ubuntu is doing to us :)
[01:35] <sivang> making freinds all over the world,
[01:35] <sivang> sharing, getting to know each other.
[01:35] <sivang> it's amazing :)
[01:36] <skyrider> yes
[01:37] <sivang> I really support that
[01:37] <skyrider> sivang: I have a serious question: where I can find irc log of all Ubuntu channels?
[01:37] <skyrider> not on  http://irclog.workaround.org
[01:38] <skyrider> I'd like to see it splited but days
[01:38] <sivang> skyrider : ah! a very good one. This is something I am working on with mako, lulu and well, fabbione as he is the logger guy..:)
[01:38] <sivang> lemme see if I can get someone to talk to me on this,
[01:38] <skyrider> GRREEEEEEEEEAAAAAT!!!
[01:39] <sivang> We might be able to split days over irclogs.workaround.org
[01:39] <sivang> I'll check
[01:40] <skyrider> It wold be great if logs will be colorized by irclog2html.pl script by our famous :) Jeff Waugh
[01:40] <skyrider> I' look on it
[01:40] <sivang> he done that script? nice..
[01:41] <skyrider> yes
[01:41] <sivang> mail me at sivan@workaround.org , with a link to that script as well as bugging me on the log thingy so I won't forget, could you ? (sorry for asking, but I tend to have very shortem memory)
[01:41] <skyrider> I was surprised too
[01:41] <skyrider> Hey make have that script
[01:41] <sivang> ok
[01:42] <skyrider> look for example on commuity meeting logs: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/cc-meeting_log-20041109.html
[01:42] <skyrider> there is a link to it at the bottom of that page
[01:43] <skyrider> Ooops! You should read it like 'Hey _mako_ have that script'
[01:44] <sivang> yes
[01:44] <sivang> just found it..
[01:44] <sivang> :)
[01:44] <skyrider> :)
[01:44] <skyrider> I'll mail you tomorrow (today) anyway.
[01:46] <sivang> thanks
[01:48] <skyrider> "irclogs.workaround.org could not be found" WTF?
[01:48] <sivang> hmm lemme check
[01:51] <sivang> http://irclog.workaround.org/
[01:51] <sivang> :)
[01:52] <skyrider> :)))
[01:55] <sivang> I am going to get something to eat , ttl
[01:56] <skyrider> I'm going to sleep
[01:57] <skyrider> All this week I've slept no more than 3 hour/day. :(
[01:57] <skyrider> Good bye!
[02:47] <sivang> hi trickie
[03:10] <George^Deka> hi all
[03:14] <sivang> hey George^Deka
[03:14] <George^Deka> hi trickie, fellow ausie about time
[03:14] <George^Deka> hi sivang, shouldnt you be cathching up on sleep
[03:15] <sivang> I did some, then went out, then got some enregy back :) Now I'm trying to put up some more work :)
[03:18] <George^Deka> sivang: cool, in a week or 2 i will need more work, did what i said from doc meet just not done the fx doc.
[03:19] <trickie_> hi George^Deka
[03:19] <George^Deka> Has anyone here upgraded to fx1.0 - how did you go about it. - rem the package ? delete the dir ? symlink to the normal fx dir?
[03:20] <George^Deka> Cause there are so many ways about going about it, i want to know what people have done so i can workout what is the best
[03:20] <George^Deka> for myself and the fx howto
[03:24] <sivang> George^Deka : I just dist-upgraded to hoary, it was there
[03:25] <George^Deka> yeah thats one way, but if your staying on warty
[03:28] <sivang> Well, you might be able to add hoary sources, and install just about that package,
[03:28] <sivang> but if it depends on stuff from haory, that it might break stuf..:)
[03:28] <sivang> I have no other idea, then that.
[03:36] <George^Deka> yeah i know
[03:41] <sivang> hey Hoodster!
[03:41] <sivang> I see my nightly buddies start coming in ...:)
[03:41] <Hoodster> Hi sivang! I did it! I posted the wiki page we spoke about yesterday at Room101
[03:41] <sivang> great!
[03:42] <George^Deka> hoodster: ill have a look to you know off hand what the address for room101 is
[03:43] <sivang> Hoodster : 2 words = (superb,thank_you!) :)
[03:43] <Hoodster> George^Deka: Yes, it is https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Room101
[03:43] <George^Deka> also i had a problem installing last night was hotplug had to pyll out all usb devices and it worked, should that go in room101
[03:44] <Hoodster> sivang: No, thank you. I do think I was a bit wordy. I also don't know how it will be received. That makes me most nervous.
[03:44] <Hoodster> Before I forget, Hi George^Deka: It is good to see you again.
[03:44] <sivang> George^Deka : that can go there, plus I would recommend opening a bug against it
[03:45] <sivang> Hoodster : don't worry about it. However , I am not sure if the reboot is neccesary - if you had trouble with gnome, even logout --> login could help
[03:45] <sivang> check that..if you find it's ok, you could change the page in the future. And don't worry, we are very nice happy bunch of people here
[03:46] <Hoodster> sivang: Yeah, you are right. The reboot is left over from my windows days (hehe)
[03:46] <sivang> no prob :)
[03:47] <Hoodster> I didn't add my name to it, so I have no idea if anyone can really find out who posted it. Is it anonymous at the moment?
[03:48] <Hoodster> I also just noticed that I did not truly folllow the Room101 instructions in the white box. I did not name the hardware/software or anything like that...
[03:49] <sivang> well, this is basically a general issue , so I think that might be appropriate if you just mentioned something that this related to dual booting, pc system or something.
[03:49] <sivang> but hack, it would get corrected by Alex Poslavsky anyways I guess, if he find the need.
[03:49] <sivang> don't worry too much about it
[03:51] <Hoodster> I don't like to do it, if it isn't correct (LOL)
[03:52] <sivang> Just adopt the habit, of when you finish something on the wiki, post the list ask for comments etc..
[03:53] <sivang> this is the general way how we do stuff here, that would get attention by other memebrs and you would get comments and corrections :)
[03:53] <trickie_> Hoodster: i am getting something craziest thing when i look at that URL 
[03:54] <trickie_> Hoodster: a little window opens up titled 'Gecko' and '%pippkiDTD' as the text 
[03:54] <sivang> trickie_ : let us here it
[03:55] <trickie_> Hoodster: The main window doesn't load
[03:55] <Hoodster> trickie_: I don't know, the url link in XChat works for me. Does anyone else have a problem with it?
[03:56] <trickie_> Yeah i think it must be my firefox... looks like a rendering error
[03:56] <trickie_> hence 'Gecko' as the title of the little error window
[03:56] <Hoodster> trickie_: I am using Firfox 0.9.3.
[03:58] <trickie_> hmmm
[03:58] <trickie_> just opened it from a term and it worked ok...
[03:58] <trickie_> that was wierd
[03:59] <sivang> I didn't
[03:59] <sivang> I use 1.0 on hoary
[04:00] <trickie_> i am using RC1 on hoary
[04:00] <trickie_> every now and then i get some wierd stuff like but can't reproduce it
[04:02] <Hoodster> trickie_: Nothing like being on the cutting edge of technology (hehe). How is the Hoary experience?
[04:02] <trickie_> Hoodster: Great!
[04:03] <trickie_> Hoodster: i really like this distro... i must say it is the nicest linux experience i have had
[04:03] <trickie_> Hoodster: that why i hang out here... try to find something to help out on
[04:03] <Hoodster> trickie_: What did you use before Ubuntu?
[04:04] <trickie_> Hoodster: well i have a OSX laptop that i use at home and at work, and at work i got a dual boot WinXP/Fedora box
[04:05] <trickie_> Hoodster: buti just bought an new AMD64 CPU, so i thought i would try out ubuntu's AMD64 release...
[04:06] <trickie_> Hoodster: and it is fantastic!
[04:06] <Hoodster> trickie_: Like you, I am here to see how I can contribute. I just posted my first wiki page with the expert help of sivang and George^Deka. I am ready for more...
[04:06] <trickie_> Hoodster: So that is Room101?
[04:07] <Hoodster> trickie_: Good to hear Ubuntu works well with AMD64, I am going to recommend it to a co-worker that has this CPU.
[04:07] <sivang> ok guys, I'm currently working on the a more dignified TodoList for us..I will get it ready by sunday I guess :)
[04:08] <Hoodster> sivang: Okay. I will be out of town on Sunday and Monday. I probably view the new page Tuesday and show up here Tuesday night to see how I can contribute.
[04:08] <sivang> no problem Hoodster , that's cool :)
[04:08] <sivang> every help is blessed
[04:10] <George^Deka> thanks hoodster, i had not even reallised my issue
[04:10] <George^Deka> thanks hoodster, i had not even reallised i have the same issue
[04:11] <George^Deka> should it not be a howto ?
[04:12] <Hoodster> George^Deka: Your quite welcome. I love to help.... It is sort of a combination of a feature request and a workaround....
[04:12] <Hoodster> I am sure it can be described a couple of other ways. It is, what it is.... (hehe)
[04:14] <Hoodster> sivang: Without divulging the specifics of the updated ToDoList, will it be lengthy and span months or will it be short and specific with target dates within one to two weeks?
[04:15] <sivang> I am not sure about target dates, this might get more formal outlinening on the conf IMHO, but there is an ever growing list of stuff need get done that I am going to put there, and would keep short and pointy :)
[04:16] <sivang> basically the wish is to have 3 major things for hoary release:
[04:17] <George^Deka> sivang, is the updated list up yet (at least partway through completion ?) so i maybe able to take stuff
[04:18] <Hoodster> sivang: Will it be a requirement that I use Hoary? I am using Warty. I would hate to not be able to contribute because I am incompatible.
[04:18] <hornbeck> ChrisH: you around?
[04:18] <sivang> * Fix Ubuntu already shipping documentation, re bug https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3353
[04:19] <sivang> * Pacakge and deliver stuff from wiki / other sources to be available offline, through yelp (GNOME help browser) 
[04:20] <sivang> * Establish the infrastructure to allow broad community participationo in contributing.
[04:20] <sivang> this are high level ofcourse..
[04:20] <sivang> hornbeck : he's way in bed :)
[04:20] <hornbeck> damn
[04:20] <sivang> hornbeck : how the server going?
[04:21] <hornbeck> I am working on the svn right now
[04:21] <hornbeck> but I am getting a server error
[04:21] <hornbeck> I followed his instructions to the t
[04:21] <sivang> you'll just have to wait to (our) mornig :)
[04:21] <sivang> that is, UTC+2
[04:22] <trickie_> hornbeck: you need some help with svn?
[04:22] <hornbeck> trickie_ yes
[04:22] <trickie_> hornbeck: i know a little
[04:22] <hornbeck> I have apache set up
[04:22] <trickie_> hornbeck: whats the issue
[04:22] <hornbeck> I set up svn from ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Subversion
[04:23] <hornbeck> when I try to access it, it errors with "Alert!:HTTP/1.1 500 Internel Server Error
[04:23] <hornbeck> I am not sure what I am doing wrong
[04:24] <trickie_> hornbeck: ok... can you access the apache error log?
[04:24] <hornbeck> yeah
[04:25] <hornbeck> could not open the requested svn filesystem is the last one
[04:25] <trickie_> hornbeck: ok... give me too secs
[04:25] <hornbeck> ok
[04:27] <trickie_> hornbeck: have you got the filesystem location mapped to a web accessible URI?
[04:27] <hornbeck> 69.155.172.150/doc
[04:27] <hornbeck> try it
[04:28] <sivang> working
[04:28] <sivang> :)
[04:28] <sivang> <m:human-readable errcode="160029">
[04:28] <sivang> Could not open the requested SVN filesystem
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[04:28] <sivang> it couldn't open the file...
[04:28] <sivang> :(
[04:28] <hornbeck> right
[04:29] <sivang> but apache is running
[04:29] <sivang> :)
[04:29] <trickie_> has the filesystem path got priviledges for the apache user
[04:29] <trickie_> ?
[04:29] <hornbeck> but 69.155.172.150/index.html
[04:29] <hornbeck> that works
[04:29] <hornbeck> I don't know
[04:30] <trickie_> hornbeck: what are the privilesdges for the subversion repository on the filesystem
[04:30] <trickie_> ?
[04:30] <hornbeck> hornbeck: 777
[04:31] <hornbeck> all open
[04:31] <George^Deka> hornbeck: do you have ssh going on the machine ?
[04:31] <hornbeck> ssh will not work for some reason :-)
[04:31] <hornbeck> have never been able to get it to work
[04:33] <sivang> damn.. ReST is killing me, hornbeck could you help me ? I started changing something on the FrontPage, namely the link to the wiki to do list,
[04:33] <sivang> could you revert it ?
[04:33] <sivang> for some reason it's giving me System Message: WARNING/2 (<string>, line 28); backlink
[04:33] <sivang> Inline strong start-string without end-string.
[04:33] <sivang> or George^Deka ? any ReST guru here...
[04:34] <George^Deka> im trying to get to the frontpage first
[04:35] <George^Deka> ReST aint that bad, iv only been using it for 3 days, just read the doc and you cant go too wrong
[04:36] <sivang> why can't adding a link ? 'JUst work' ?? :)
[04:36] <George^Deka> based off the error you didnt end the bold
[04:36] <George^Deka> but ill have a look, loging in now
[04:36] <George^Deka> it can if you add it right
[04:36] <trickie_> hornbeck: hard to figure out what is without seeing how u set up the repository location the apache conf file
[04:39] <George^Deka> sivang, what was the link you were trying to add - location ?
[04:39] <sivang> just revert it back to the already 'WikiToDo'
[04:41] <sivang> which is already exsiting..
[04:42] <sivang> I will continue ReST tommorow :) it's not easy for late hours :)
[04:42] <George^Deka> well if you have the doc u wanna link, i can add the link easy enough
[04:43] <George^Deka> think i worked out what you did wrong you did **text ** and it should be **text** i think
[04:46] <George^Deka> fixed it, i have not reverted it for the time being
[04:50] <George^Deka> sivang, fixed
[04:50] <sivang> thanks!
[04:51] <George^Deka> sivang, i did not revert it though for now - see above i explained your error
[04:52] <sivang> sorry, I had some urgent irc convos
[04:59] <George^Deka> i understand
[05:00] <sivang> back
[05:01] <George^Deka> shit ddint even have my smoke, check the page now
[05:02] <sivang> ok
[05:03] <sivang> i see the old version..strange..
[05:06] <George^Deka> shift refresh
[05:07] <sivang> still the old line..
[05:07] <sivang> with the TodoList
[05:07] <sivang> not WikiToDO
[05:07] <sivang> not WikiToDo
[05:07] <trickie_> hornbeck, you still trying to get it working?
[05:09] <George^Deka> yeah i left it as todolist, i can change it to wikitodo if you want
[05:10] <trickie_> hornbeck, http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ has details about mod_dav_svn if you don't already have it
[05:10] <Hoodster> Thank you all for the help. I will return to see how else I can help. If I get some ideas, I will be sure to discuss them here first.
[05:12] <sivang> yes if you could, thanks :)
[05:19] <George^Deka> sivang will do
[05:19] <sivang> thanks..I'm nearly dropping :)
[05:20] <George^Deka> does anybody know how to set up junk email filtering in evolution ??? the faq does not make much sence - the places it tells you to go are not in evolution 2
[05:20] <George^Deka> sivang, dropping ?
[05:21] <sivang> eyes closing by themselves..
[05:23] <George^Deka> i know what you mean.
[05:25] <sivang> I'm off ...Zzzzz
[05:51] <hornbeck> I'm back
[05:52] <hornbeck> sorry it's my wifes birthday so I was doing stuff with her
[05:58] <hornbeck> trickie_ You around?
[06:01] <George^Deka> hornbeck: do you know how to install tomboy? these isn't a howto
[06:02] <hornbeck> sudo apt-get install tomboy
[06:02] <hornbeck> I use cvs though
[06:03] <hornbeck> oh wait
[06:03] <hornbeck> tomboy is in tseng's repos
[06:03] <hornbeck> let me find it
[06:03] <hornbeck> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[06:03] <hornbeck> the top repository 
[06:04] <trickie> hornbeck: sorry... doing a few things myself
[06:04] <hornbeck> ok
[06:04] <trickie> hornbeck, but yeah back
[06:04] <hornbeck> I can access the svn repos locally
[06:04] <George^Deka> thanks, ubuntu really needs mono etc in the universe atleast, should be supported though
[06:04] <hornbeck> just not through apache
[06:04] <hornbeck> mono is in universe
[06:04] <hornbeck> tomboy is not
[06:05] <trickie> hornbeck, ok... it must be in your httpd.conf file
[06:06] <hornbeck> well I have never setup apache before the day before yesterday
[06:06] <trickie> ok...
[06:06] <trickie> :)
[06:06] <hornbeck> if I gave it to you could you look at it?
[06:06] <trickie> yeah for sure..
[06:06] <trickie> wanna mail it?
[06:07] <hornbeck> I am putting it online for you
[06:07] <trickie> cool
[06:08] <hornbeck> try 69.155.172.150/hornbeck
[06:08] <hornbeck> see if that works
[06:08] <trickie> nah
[06:08] <trickie> 404 
[06:08] <hornbeck> ok, what is your mail address
[06:08] <trickie> error
[06:08] <trickie> nick@trickie.org
[06:09] <hornbeck> ok
[06:10] <hornbeck> on its way
[06:10] <trickie> cheers
[06:10] <hornbeck> thanks for the help
[06:12] <trickie> np
[06:12] <trickie> so what is the file system path to the repository?
[06:12] <hornbeck> /var/www/doc
[06:13] <hornbeck> should it be in my home directory?
[06:13] <hornbeck> I did not think of that
[06:15] <trickie> yeah... i think /var/www is the default sites document root
[06:15] <hornbeck> yeah
[06:15] <trickie> so apache would be getting confused about which way to server it
[06:15] <trickie> server it
[06:16] <trickie> yeah i would try moving it under your home dir
[06:16] <trickie> and make sure the apache2 user can access that directory
[06:17] <hornbeck> how do I do that(man that makes me seem like such a newb)
[06:17] <trickie> also... you needn't wrap the Location in a virtual host
[06:17] <hornbeck> I just want to make sure I am doing it right
[06:17] <hornbeck> ok
[06:17] <trickie> ok.. how about i write up some quick instructions and mail you back
[06:17] <hornbeck> please :-)
[06:18] <trickie> np... get it to you soon... just gotta keep an eye on some things here
[06:18] <hornbeck> ok
[06:19] <hornbeck> I kinda got it to work
[06:19] <hornbeck> yeeeeeee
[06:19] <trickie> awesome
[06:19] <trickie> so you still need a hand?
[06:20] <hornbeck> yes alittle, I am getting url not found on server now
[06:20] <hornbeck> but it knows its a svn 
[06:20] <trickie> cool
[06:20] <hornbeck> I can lynx to it now
[06:25] <trickie> ok
[06:25] <hornbeck> now I get could not open the requested svn filesystem
[06:26] <trickie> so now the default document root is not /var/www
[06:26] <trickie> ?
[06:26] <trickie> or did you move the repository?
[06:26] <hornbeck> it is now /home/hornbeck/docs
[06:26] <hornbeck> I moved it
[06:26] <hornbeck> and it started kinda working :-)
[06:26] <trickie> are you getting asked for the http auth?
[06:26] <hornbeck> no
[06:27] <hornbeck> I am if I try to go through the router
[06:27] <hornbeck> I got a authorization failed
[06:28] <trickie> ok
[06:28] <trickie> did you set up the password using htpasswd?
[06:28] <hornbeck> I think
[06:28] <hornbeck> let me try again
[06:29] <hornbeck> I just tried but it did not take it still
[06:31] <hornbeck> it will not authorize the passwords
[06:32] <hornbeck> does the password file need to be readable by more than root?
[06:32] <trickie> probably
[06:32] <hornbeck> www-user?
[06:32] <trickie> apache runs as root initally at start up then moves to the user apache2
[06:33] <trickie> yeah i would set it to 744
[06:33] <trickie> did you run htpasswd with sudo?
[06:33] <hornbeck> yes
[06:34] <hornbeck> should I not have?
[06:34] <trickie> doesn't matter really
[06:34] <trickie> as long as you change it so other users can read it
[06:35] <trickie> it doesn't store plaintext passwds or anythingh
[06:35] <hornbeck> it is not working :-(
[06:35] <hornbeck> closer though
[06:36] <trickie> run 'tail /var/log/apache2/error.log
[06:36] <trickie> '
[06:36] <trickie> any errors there?
[06:37] <hornbeck> file does not exist /var/www/favicon.ico
[06:37] <hornbeck> client denied by server configuration: /usr/share/doc
[06:38] <trickie> ok... you need to get rid of the virtual host i think
[06:38] <trickie> you only need the Location block
[06:38] <hornbeck> I did get rid of the virtual host
[06:38] <trickie> the default virtual host is serving your request first
[06:39] <trickie> oh ok
[06:39] <trickie> :(
[06:40] <trickie> try getting rid of the LimitExcept block
[06:40] <trickie> just have Require valid-user
[06:40] <trickie> by itself
[06:41] <trickie> could you send through your conf file again?
[06:41] <hornbeck> yeah
[06:42] <hornbeck> on its way
[06:46] <hornbeck> it is only failing on authorization
[06:55] <trickie> sent it back
[06:55] <hornbeck> ok
[06:55] <trickie> try that...
[06:55] <trickie> i'll be back a bit later if it odesn't work
[06:55] <trickie> doesn't
[06:55] <hornbeck> ok
[06:55] <trickie> :)
[07:13] <hornbeck> it still will not authorize
[07:24] <hornbeck> well I am off to bed, I will be back tomorrow evening
[07:24] <hornbeck> hehe its working :-)
[07:25] <hornbeck> http://69.155.172.150/svn
[07:25] <hornbeck> nothing there yet :)
[07:36] <hornbeck> the svn seems to work
[07:36] <hornbeck> for passwords please email me
[07:36] <hornbeck> goodnight
[07:44] <George^Deka> hornbeck, i cant be bothered emailing but i want one
[07:45] <George^Deka> hornbeck, what irc client do you use, i am getting sick of xcrap
[07:54] <trickie> hornbeck: any luck?
[07:54] <George^Deka> he said its working, think he went bed
[07:55] <trickie> cool
[08:41] <trickie> ciao
[12:29] <ChrisH> Morning gals... :)
[12:50] <sivang> howdy all
[02:12] <hornbeck> good morning
[02:15] <hornbeck> man, slow night, I can still see the stuff I wrote before bed
[02:17] <hornbeck> ChrisH: you around?
[02:17] <hornbeck> sivang: you around?
[02:18] <Hoodster> Hi all. I have a question about transferring useful information from the forums to the wiki. Is this a desirable thing to do?
[02:18] <hornbeck> ok
[02:18] <hornbeck> yes, any form of doc is desirable
[02:19] <Hoodster> horbeck: Thank you for replying. Has someone taken this task to heart? (hehe)
[02:19] <hornbeck> not that I know of
[02:22] <Hoodster> hehe, I am trying to think hard of ways I can contribute. Although I know HTML and I just yesterday began learning ReST, I am afraid that I don't have expertise for the more technical documentation. I am also interested in adding/improving documentation to the current release, because I don't use the next one. So, one I idea is to have someone actively read the forums for useful HowTo's information that would make the Ubuntu a really 
[02:22] <Hoodster> complete document.
[02:23] <hornbeck> that is a great idea
[02:23] <hornbeck> or transfering over the forums faq, and howto's
[02:26] <Hoodster> yes
[02:26] <Hoodster> I would be interested in helping do this. I think this would be an ideal task for me. 
[02:28] <ChrisH> hornbeck: hi :)
[02:28] <Hoodster> The way I would go about it, is not transfer anything until it had been tested by a minimal number of users with success. Then report that new HowTo/tip to this chat room and discuss its usefulness and uniqueness (no need to add multiple pages with the same information). If the document team agrees that it is good to add to the wiki, then I would create a new wiki page.
[02:29] <ChrisH> Hoodster: You could be a great help with the new FAQ!
[02:30] <ChrisH> Hoodster: We have collected the Wiki pages to write an FAQ in a single DocBook/XML document.
[02:30] <ChrisH> Hoodster: Help in what you propose would be desperately needed.
[02:30] <ChrisH> Hoodster: Someone who follows the forums and the mailing lists and who adds those entries to the docbook FAQ would be a great help.
[02:31] <Hoodster> ChrisH: How long will it take to get up to speed on xml?
[02:31] <ChrisH> Hoodster: Very quick. I have prepared a short introduction. Let me fetch the link...
[02:31] <hornbeck> Hoodster: docbook is easy stuff
[02:32] <ChrisH> Hoodster: All you need is a text editor (vim?) and "subversion" installed. So you can check the FAQ out and back in.
[02:32] <Hoodster> hornbeck: Easy compared to what? (hehe) python? fortran? HTML? (hehe)
[02:32] <ChrisH> Hoodster: It's very similar to HTML.
[02:32] <hornbeck> compared to eating icecream on a hot day
[02:32] <Hoodster> LOL
[02:32] <ChrisH> hornbeck: you may want to start here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocBook
[02:32] <Hoodster> ChrisH: I know HTML, so that is good.
[02:33] <ChrisH> Hoodster: It's like HTML with different tags.
[02:33] <hornbeck> ChrisH: I may want to start there?
[02:33] <ChrisH> Hoodster: The template is already complete. So all you had to do is write small articles in the sections where you think they fit.
[02:33] <Hoodster> ChrisH: Sounds easy enough. I will be interested in giving it a try.
[02:34] <hornbeck> Hoodster: it is pretty easy to understand
[02:34] <ChrisH> Hoodster: Great. We can create a repository account for you so you can upload your changes directly.
[02:34] <Hoodster> Do I do the actual editing offline or online?
[02:35] <hornbeck> Hoodster: offline
[02:36] <Hoodster> Do I upload the new files via local ftp client or is that uploading done through an HTML webpage?
[02:36] <hornbeck> through subversion
[02:36] <ChrisH> HTTP.
[02:36] <hornbeck> really
[02:36] <hornbeck> ?
[02:36] <hornbeck> nice
[02:36] <ChrisH> "apt-get install subversion" first
[02:36] <ChrisH> hornbeck: Well... it uses HTTP. Subversion knows a few schemes for data transmission.
[02:36] <Hoodster> What is subversion exactly?
[02:37] <ChrisH> Hoodster: A repository system like CVS.
[02:37] <plovs_> hi guys
[02:37] <hornbeck> hey
[02:37] <Hoodster> Hi
[02:37] <ChrisH> hornbeck: Looks like the repository on your site is now even read-protected?
[02:37] <ChrisH> plovs_: Hi, Alex!
[02:37] <hornbeck> plovs_: my repository is working
[02:37] <hornbeck> ChrisH: when did you check
[02:37] <Hoodster> ChrisH: I am not all that familiar with CVS, is this a content control mechanism?
[02:37] <plovs_> hornbeck, yes! 
[02:37] <ChrisH> hornbeck: 1 minute ago
[02:38] <ChrisH> Hoodster: Yes. But it's not really hard.
[02:38] <hornbeck> I just had someone check it and they said it was fine
[02:38] <ChrisH> Hoodster: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SubVersion
[02:38] <ChrisH> hornbeck: I can't access it. I get a username/password prompt on the web browser.
[02:38] <ChrisH> hornbeck: We should probably keep it free for all to read.
[02:38] <ChrisH> hornbeck: Didn't you take my sniplet for the apache config?
[02:38] <Hoodster> ChrisH: Do I install subversion with sudo?
[02:39] <ChrisH> Hoodster: yes "sudo apt-get install subversion"
[02:39] <hornbeck> ChrisH: I planned on it
[02:39] <hornbeck> ChrisH: brb, let me see whats wrong now
[02:40] <Hoodster> ChrisH: subversion is installed
[02:41] <Hoodster> How do I see the current status of the xml docs? Or do I need to wait for the repository account?
[02:42] <plovs_> ChrisH, 
[02:42] <plovs_> oeps
[02:43] <hornbeck> ChrisH: try it now
[02:45] <plovs_> hornbeck, ok, pulling out stuff now
[02:45] <hornbeck> nice
[02:46] <hornbeck> :-)
[02:46] <plovs_> now it stopped ??
[02:46] <hornbeck> :-(
[02:46] <plovs_> now it continued
[02:46] <hornbeck> :-)
[02:48] <plovs_> added the faq to the repo
[02:48] <hornbeck> nice
[02:48] <hornbeck> good deal
[02:49] <plovs_> added makefile and README as well
[02:50] <hornbeck> I still have to learn how to add things :-)
[02:50] <hornbeck> I guess with the add command
[02:50] <plovs_> svn add README Makefile
[02:50] <plovs_> svn ci
[02:51] <plovs_> i am a pro already
[02:51] <plovs_> i even managed to mess things up yesterday
[02:51] <hornbeck> good deal
[02:51] <plovs_> fortunetely enrico and ChrisH repaired it :-)
[02:52] <hornbeck> well, I am about to head off for  a yoyo comp, so I will be back this evening
[02:53] <Hoodster> ChrisH: When you have a moment, let me know how to get started. I glanced the XMLdoc HowTo, but I still don't know where to begin.
[02:54] <ChrisH> hornbeck: better
[02:54] <plovs_> ok, be back later as well
[02:54] <ChrisH> Hoodster: subversion installed?
[02:54] <Hoodster> ChrisH: yep!
[02:55] <ChrisH> Hoodster: try: svn co http://ubuntu.workaround.org:8080/faq
[02:55] <ChrisH> hornbeck: checkout worked
[02:55] <hornbeck> if I remove something how do I commit it
[02:56] <ChrisH> hornbeck: svn rm ...
[02:56] <hornbeck> ok
[02:56] <Hoodster> ChrisH: I did that and I have 5 lines tha begin with the letter A
[02:56] <ChrisH> hornbeck: so you have put all subproject into the same repository... hmm, ok
[02:57] <ChrisH> hornbeck: look at your current directory
[02:57] <hornbeck> ok
[02:57] <hornbeck> is it bad to have them all in the same repository?
[02:57] <hornbeck> or do they all need different <Location>
[02:58] <ChrisH> Hmmm.
[02:58] <ChrisH> I think different Locations would make sense.
[02:58] <ChrisH> If I only wanted to work on the FAQ I had to download all the gnome2-user-guide stuff also.
[02:59] <hornbeck> ok
[02:59] <hornbeck> so that all needs to be changed in the apache2.conf?
[02:59] <ChrisH> hornbeck: I assume you do backups regularly etc.
[02:59] <ChrisH> hornbeck: Yes.
[02:59] <hornbeck> ChrisH: yes I do
[02:59] <hornbeck> and going to even more so now
[03:01] <Hoodster> ChrisH: I apologize for needing beginner help. I read the SubVersion wiki at ubuntu, but I still don't know how to interact with subversion. Do you have any link I can go to read up on it so that I can be of use (hehe)?
[03:01] <ChrisH> Hoodster: That was the primer (the second half).
[03:02] <ChrisH> Hoodster: Usually all you need to do is just change what you want.
[03:02] <Hoodster> ChrisH: Do I need to create a password file?
[03:02] <ChrisH> Hoodster: Make sure they still work (e.g. run it with "yelp faq.xml" or run "make" and watch for errors
[03:02] <hornbeck> Hoodster no
[03:02] <ChrisH> Hoodster: Once you are happy with your changes you just run "svn ci" to check your changes back in.
[03:03] <ChrisH> Hoodster: more complete: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/ch03.html
[03:04] <Hoodster> ChrisH: I don't quite understand. I think the problem is that I don't quite understand the basics. Thank you for the link, I will check it out. What did the syn co command do?
[03:05] <Hoodster> I think the svn co probably copied files, but to where?
[03:06] <ChrisH> Hoodster: Do you know a /little/ about repositories? 
[03:06] <Hoodster> ChrisH: No, unfortunately, I don't. I suspect that a repository is a place were items are stored.
[03:07] <ChrisH> Hoodster: Exactly. Okay... let me put it like this...
[03:07] <Hoodster> Perhaps the svn co was a checkout command?
[03:08] <ChrisH> Yes. You get a copy of the files on the server.
[03:08] <ChrisH> You then just edit the files and upload your new files through "svn ci".
[03:08] <ChrisH> ci = check in
[03:08] <ChrisH> co = check out
[03:08] <Hoodster> I have used a program that uses the same concept.
[03:08] <ChrisH> The server will then magically "merge" your changes.
[03:09] <ChrisH> The magic is that different people can do changes to the files. And all can upload their changes which will be merged into a final document (if possible).
[03:09] <Hoodster> ChrisH: Where are these file? That is what I need to know first I think. I did the svn co command you gave above.
[03:09] <ChrisH> So if you work on part A and I work on part B of the same document we won't collide.
[03:11] <Hoodster> ChrisH: I get it. :) Now, where are these files? hehe
[03:12] <ChrisH> In your current directory.
[03:13] <ChrisH> And a copy is kept on the server (which is currently here with me).
[03:14] <hornbeck> can I svn commit file:///
[03:14] <Hoodster> ChrisH: Boy, was I dense on that one. I was looking in that directory, but just didn't see it. For some reason, I was looking for a directory called svn, not faq. My apologies.
[03:14] <hornbeck> if I try to go svn commit it errors out on authorization
[03:15] <ChrisH> Sorry if I'm stalling. Got my mother-in-law's PC in VNC for a quick help. :)
[03:15] <hornbeck> thats cool
[03:16] <Hoodster> ChrisH: There are two xml files, a makefile, ubuntu.xsl and a readme file.
[03:19] <Hoodster> Is there any way to see the output before I update the repository? I can't do it in my browser because of no styles.
[03:19] <ChrisH> Hoodster: either "yelp faq.xml" or "make" and then view the html file in your browser
[03:20] <hornbeck> it will suck if I cannot work on my own thing 
[03:20] <ChrisH> Hoodster: For the "make" you need to have these packages installed, too: docbook-xsl and xsltproc
[03:21] <Hoodster> ChrisH: The yelp command worked, but I suspect you knew it would (hehe)
[03:21] <Hoodster> ChrisH: oops! I forgot to say thanks!
[03:22] <Hoodster> ChristH: This is cool!
[03:22] <ChrisH> Hoodster: you are welcome :)
[03:22] <Hoodster> ChirsH: Sorry for spelling our name incorrectly.
[03:23] <Hoodster> Oops! I did it twice! I must be getting too excited over this subversion.
[03:23] <ChrisH> Hoodster: Well, at least I know who you mean.
[03:24] <Hoodster> Please correct me if I get this wrong. There is only one file to edit. The entire xml doc is this one file, unlike HTML.
[03:25] <ChrisH> Hoodster: Yes. The faq.xml is the FAQ we are working on. The Makefile (do you know "make"?) will create the html file for you (if you have the packages above installed).
[03:29] <Hoodster> I am installing them now and will test out the make command.
[03:29] <ChrisH> ok
[03:37] <alan__> ChrisH: My system froze and I had to reboot. I lost the make command. Is it svn make faq.xml?
[03:38] <alan__> This is Hoodster.
[03:39] <ChrisH> alan__: no... just run "make". See if you have the "make" package installed
[03:41] <alan__> ChrisH: I have make
[03:42] <alan__> ChrisH: I am not 'make' knowledgable. I tried make faq.xml but that didn't work. What is the command?
[03:42] <ChrisH> alan__: just run "make"
[03:42] <sivang> hey peopel, back for a while
[03:43] <alan__> ChrisH: Okay, I got it. I simply did a ls command and now see the newly created faq html file.
[03:45] <alan__> Hi sivang: I, with the help of ChrisH, is getting deep in the xml doc project. ChrisH has been very patient and get me up and going with subversion. I am so green, I am amazed he hasn't given up yet (hehe).
[03:45] <alan__> How do I change my nick back to what I had it to before?
[03:46] <Hoodster> I figured it out.
[03:46] <sivang> well, he will not give up. He is a very special AI robot, I have written during my last college semster , cool ha ?
[03:46] <Hoodster> LOL
[03:46] <sivang> he even responds to emotions, 
[03:46] <sivang> ChrisH : :-)
[03:47] <sivang> he is far more superior to dpkg and other, on freenode, which you might be familiar with from #debin
[03:47] <sivang> :)
[03:47] <Hoodster> ChrisH: Now that I am getting the basics, I just want to revisit my original idea.
[03:49] <sivang> could you remind me , Hoodster?
[03:49] <sivang> (about what)
[03:53] <hornbeck> ChrisH: all the repositories are by themselves now
[03:53] <hornbeck> I will do a wiki write up tonight
[03:54] <hornbeck> I am leaving for the day now though
[03:54] <sivang> hornbeck : server is ready?
[03:54] <hornbeck> sivang yes
[03:55] <ChrisH> hornbeck: very good
[03:55] <ChrisH> hornbeck: Let's try to migrate the contents when you are up again. :)
[03:55] <hornbeck> I should be up
[03:56] <Hoodster> This idea is to have someone (I will volunteer) to search the Ubuntu forums, and keep up on it, the HowTo forum would be suitable for transferring to Ubuntu Dcoumentation. ChrisH suggestion was to transfer some or all of this information to the new faq.
[03:56] <Hoodster> Is there still an interest in doing this?
[03:57] <hornbeck> well guys I am out
[03:57] <hornbeck> email me if something does not work and I will try to get it fixed
[03:57] <hornbeck> bye
[03:58] <Hoodster> What I mean is that I have an interest and this would be something that could suite my skill level. I regularly visit the forums and would be happy to add information to the faq or some other site.
[03:58] <Hoodster> Ubuntu page I mean.
[03:58] <Hoodster> See yeah hornbeck.
[04:01] <Hoodster> I don't want to make any specific suggestions now, because I suspect that there might be a lot of contributions already made that have not been updated to the repository. Is this correct?
[04:07] <ChrisH> Not really. :)
[04:07] <ChrisH> There have been two FAQ wiki pages on ubuntulinux.org. plovs and I have rearranged them into the docbook document.
[04:07] <ChrisH> The FAQ has been started a few days ago (3 or 4) and we planned to upload the current version this weekend for letting other people review it.
[04:09] <Hoodster> ChrisH: So, I noticed that the How do I install java is not complete. I know there is a HowTo at the forums and I have successfully installed java. However, I suspect that someone else might have completed this in the new FAQ. If not, then this might be a good place for me to start. What do you think?
[04:10] <ChrisH> Hoodster: Yes, do that. plovs and I have commited our changes already. Even if not: just change what you think should be changed.
[04:10] <ChrisH> Hoodster: There is no "chief editor". All contributions are welcome.
[04:12] <Hoodster> ChrisH: Okay, I will do that (update the java). It will be a good starter.
[04:13] <ChrisH> Hoodster: If you have questions about the docbook, then just ask.
[04:14] <Hoodster> I know I am full of questions, but they keep on coming. The new FAQ has one level of subtopics (i.e., the actual questions). Will there more more sublevels? In other words, will the organization change much as the FAQ grows?
[04:16] <ChrisH> plovs also asked about that. I think we should stay with sect1 and sect2 for the first. If you think that another sect1 category is needed - then add it.
[04:17] <ChrisH> There are a few entries that don't fit really into either "installation" or "configuration". Perhaps this should be the same category anyway.
[04:17] <ChrisH> Moving articles around is probably less work than writing it correctly.
[04:20] <Hoodster> Agreed.
[04:25] <Hoodster> I was also thinking that wouldn't it be useful to indicate which release of Ubuntu a particular page in the FAQ page applies or will there be completely different FAQ for the upcoming Hoary release?
[04:33] <plovs_> Hoodster, yes, there will be different faq's or we will indicate which parts are outdated
[04:33] <plovs_> ChrisH, so will we start using hornbeck's svn now or yours?
[04:37] <plovs_> sivang, ping!
[04:38] <sivang> plovs_ : pong!
[04:38] <plovs_> how much have you worked on the gnamo-manual?
[04:39] <sivang> I did alot of rebranding, fixed some desktop instructions etc..
[04:40] <sivang> I more people last night wanting to help on that, I think hornbeck did not do any changes since my version..I need to check out his and compare to my version.
[04:40] <plovs> sivang, some questions from the faq are answered in the gnome-doc -> gnome doc needs to be put on the web-site
[04:41] <sivang> like what?
[04:43] <plovs> html
[04:44] <sivang> no, what questions ? ;)
[04:44] <Hoodster> I noticed that there is text in the java section of the faq.xml file that does not show up. It seems this text is useful because it is a link of where an answer can be found. There is also a note to FAQ team members that also does not show up in the HTML file. Thus, it appears in the HTML file that java question was not answered, but I think it is. Am I doing something incorrectly?
[04:44] <plovs> sivang, ah, duh, about changing background etc
[04:45] <plovs> Hoodster, i had not yet made up my mind what to do with the java and mono-questions
[04:45] <sivang> ok, when are we expecting to replace the current FF (Fine Faq) with the docbook produced one
[04:46] <sivang> ?
[04:46] <sivang> I will add those to the main faq, and then produce it and upload to the main faq
[04:46] <sivang> it's a mess how it's now, I think we've alreayd agreed on that :)
[04:47] <plovs> sivang, we have to finish it, sb should finish up the order and fix loose ends
[04:47] <plovs> Hoodster, so those two questions still need to be answered
[04:47] <Hoodster> plovs: Well, my two cents worth is that the link will be useful. As it stands now, nothing appears under the java, thus appearing incomplete. I think having something is better than nothing (hehe).
[04:48] <Hoodster> plovs: Would it be okay if I modified that portion of the faq.xml?
[04:48] <plovs> Hoodster, we try to keep the number of outsie links as low as possible, if you *need* an outside link for the answer then the answer is wrong
[04:49] <plovs> Hoodster, logic: we want the faq in yelp for people without net-access (who will be upset if we have a lot of outside links)
[04:49] <plovs> Hoodster, so we need a full java answer in the faq, but i have no java -> eg no answer
[04:50] <Hoodster> plovs: No, I don't need an outside link. This is what I will do. I will add instructions that will set up the java as it appears here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713 (I will give credit to this poster as well, if desired).
[04:51] <Hoodster> I have followed those instructions and they work well I find.
[04:51] <plovs> Hoodster, good, you work on john's or chris's svn?
[04:51] <plovs> so we don't end up with 2 faqs
[04:52] <Hoodster> plovs: ChrisH got me started on the faq.xml this morning. I assume I have something compatible with his. Does this sound correct?
[04:55] <Hoodster> plovs: I can certainly understand the need to minimize the number of links when a link is used as the answer rather than posting the answer directly. What about posting the answer directly and then directing the reader to a link that provides additional information. I can see how this can be beneficial but also not wanted. Can you elaborate?
[04:57] <plovs> Hoodster, preferably not, if somebody has web-access he will be able to find answers on the site
[04:58] <plovs> you might add links remarked out though, and if we later change our mind, we can easily put it in
[04:58] <Hoodster> plovs: Good suggestion
[04:59] <plovs> Hoodster, we'll slowly work out what works best ;-)
[05:11] <plovs> sivang, many things have changed from 2.4/2.6 in gnome
[05:11] <sivang> I was working with 2.8
[05:12] <sivang> :)
[05:12] <sivang> the manual , that is
[05:12] <sivang> 2.8.1 to be more exact
[05:13] <plovs> is that what john has in his repo?
[05:15] <sivang> plovs : supposed to be, however I am not sure if he did any changes
[05:15] <sivang> he didn't have time to work on it, IMHO
[05:16] <plovs> sivang, what did you use as base?
[05:17] <sivang> plovs : 2.8.1 guide
[05:17] <plovs> could you send your stuff to me? in a tgz?
[05:18] <Hoodster> Okay, I added the instructions to the faq.xml file, but they don't showup. I have a couple of choices: I can just add it in and let someone else make it show up. Alternaively, I can try to figure out how to make it show up now. Which is preferred?
[05:19] <plovs> Hoodster did you upload the file?
[05:20] <plovs> Hoodster, with svn ci? I would like to take a look
[05:21] <sivang> plovs : are you going to put it into crish's snv repo?
[05:21] <Hoodster> plovs: Not yet. I have no idea what this will look like. I inserted tags that I could figure out pretty quickly. However, I am there is the more formatting that I would like to do. However, it would be helpful know how it currently looks (hehe). I am unfamiliar with xml code, so I am figuring things out as I go along.
[05:22] <Hoodster> plovs: Should I upload it now?
[05:22] <plovs> sivang, it?? gnome-doc? faq?
[05:23] <sivang> plovs : gnome-doc
[05:23] <plovs> Hoodster, dcc it to me then, i'll diff it to my faq and walk you through it
[05:24] <plovs> sivang, hornbeck has gnome-doc in his svn, but it doesn't yet work 100% (atm it is more MSsvn)
[05:24] <plovs> Hoodster, it doen't want to work :-(
[05:25] <sivang> ok, so ChrisH's
[05:25] <sivang> then
[05:25] <Hoodster> plovs: This is the first time I dcc in xchat. I probably don't have xchat setup correctly.
[05:25] <plovs> Hoodster let me send you a file
[05:27] <Hoodster> I think I know why dcc is not working. The 'DCC IP Address' in xchat is not filled in.
[05:27] <plovs> Hoodster, DCC GET plovs ?
[05:28] <plovs> Hoodster, send me again please
[05:28] <Hoodster> DCC GET plovs
[05:28] <Hoodster> Okay
[05:30] <plovs> Hoodster, /DCC GET plovs
[05:31] <plovs> sivang, could we maybe also try? dcc-ing is tricky sometimes
[05:31] <Hoodster> plovs: I see three file requests and the status are 'connect', but the % doesn't change.
[05:31] <plovs> Hoodster hmmm
[05:32] <plovs> Hoodster, do you have in preferences, file transfers, get ip-address from serer ticked?
[05:32] <Hoodster> plovs: one more try. I made a few changes.
[05:33] <plovs> Hoodster, DCC RECV connect attempt to Hoodster failed (err=No route to host)
[05:33] <plovs> Hoodster, try:  /DCC GET plovs
[05:33] <Hoodster> plovs: I will try again.
[05:34] <Hoodster> plovs: I have already initiated the dcc connect. It is thinking about it, but it isn't getting through.
[05:34] <plovs> Hoodster, your ip=192.168.1.1 ?
[05:34] <Hoodster> Sshhhh (hehe)
[05:35] <Hoodster> I am trying to see what works.
[05:35] <Hoodster> This is tough.
[05:35] <Hoodster> hehe
[05:35] <plovs> Hoodster, do you have in preferences, file transfers, get ip-address from serer ticked?
[05:35] <Hoodster> What File Transfer setting should I be using in xchat?
[05:36] <Hoodster> plovs: I just changed it to that.
[05:36] <Hoodster> The send ports in xchat are empty. Do these to be filled?
[05:37] <plovs> Hoodster, no, that is speed stuff
[05:37] <plovs> Hoodster, you only need to tick all the tick boxes afaik
[05:37] <plovs> sivang, can you help?
[05:38] <sivang> sorry, busy with something else, didn't see what went here. Help with what?
[05:38] <Hoodster> plovs: I ticked all the boxes at the bottom, even the 'Save nickname in filenames'
[05:38] <plovs> sivang, can you dcc me something?
[05:39] <sivang> ah ofcours! I am so sorry alex
[05:39] <Hoodster> What port is this information going over? Could I be blocking it. Right now, I only send traffic over port 80
[05:39] <sivang> I will try, see if my firewall does that.
[05:40] <plovs> not working either...
[05:40] <plovs> sivang, can you send to hoodster?
[05:41] <Hoodster> I am offering the file to sivang, see if it works.
[05:41] <plovs> sivang try:  /DCC GET plovs
[05:42] <plovs> Hoodster, sivang this is not such a smashing succes i must say
[05:42] <plovs> Hoodster can you just mail it to me then?
[05:42] <Hoodster> plovs: I know, I am thinking that my firewall is blocking.
[05:43] <plovs> or mine
[05:43] <plovs> or both
[05:43] <plovs> or all three
[05:43] <sivang> plovs : I will put it somewhere the web, and you could download it
[05:43] <sivang> :(
[05:43] <sivang> sorry
[05:43] <plovs> sivang, just mail it
[05:43] <Hoodster> plovs: quick question. I got a message stating 'faq.xml from 7512. Is the 7512 a port?
[05:43] <sivang> plovs : already tried that :(
[05:44] <sivang> I have a very bad upstream
[05:44] <plovs> sivang, you have a password to john's svn?
[05:44] <Hoodster> If that is the port, then I know that I must open it up because my firewall will block it.
[05:44] <Hoodster> plov: yes, I can email it to you.
[05:44] <plovs> Hoodster, try to open the port, who knows
[05:45] <plovs> Hoodster, alexander.poslavsky AT gmail.com
[05:45] <sivang> anyway guys, I am having some very bad network problem on top of everything else...
[05:46] <sivang> I am going for some network maintainance
[05:46] <sivang> see you in a couple of hours..:(
[05:46] <plovs> sivang, ok! see ya!
[05:47] <plovs> Hoodster, you have a password to hornbeck's svn?
[05:53] <alan__> plovs: I am reading the xchat FAQ and the dcc may not have worked because I had not restarted xchat, which appears to be required after setting the File Transfer setting.
[05:53] <plovs> alan__, i'll restart as well, brb
[05:55] <plovs> ok, let's try again
[05:57] <plovs> alan__, can't connect
[05:58] <plovs> ip addresses look ok now
[06:01] <plovs> Hoodster, either upload it to svn under a different name or mai lit
[06:02] <ChrisH> Hoodster: what is the exact message?
[06:02] <plovs> ChrisH, (err=Connection timed out) or no route to host
[06:03] <alan__> ChrisH: There really is no message. The DCC just times out. No data is sent or received.
[06:03] <plovs> ChrisH, can i send you something to test?
[06:03] <ChrisH> Ah. Okay. :)
[06:03] <ChrisH> plovs: sure
[06:03] <alan__> plov: I will up load with a slightly different name.
[06:03] <plovs> ChrisH, ok, waiting
[06:03] <plovs> alan__, on what server?
[06:04] <plovs> ChrisH, ? doesn't work 
[06:04] <ChrisH> 18:03  plovs GET: 0B of 611kB (0%) - 0.00kB/s - ETA (stalled) - boxes4.jpg
[06:04] <ChrisH> plovs: I'm not not sure where it is... I think it's hanging
[06:05] <alan__> plovs: not sure what server. I attempted a svn ci filename.xml and it did not work. It said that this file is not under version control.
[06:05] <ChrisH> Hoodster: did you add the file you wanted to upload? like "svn add filename.xml"?
[06:05] <plovs> Hoodster, :-) svn add ... -> then -> svn ci
[06:06] <Hoodster> ChrisH plovs: no, I will do that now.
[06:06] <plovs> ChrisH, time-out error
[06:09] <Hoodster> plovs ChrisH: I did the svn ci and I get a --This line, and those below, will be ignored--, what do I do to get back to a prompt. I don't know vi.
[06:09] <plovs> esc - : wq
[06:10] <plovs> first type something with i  <my message>
[06:10] <plovs> so: i<my message><esq>wq
[06:12] <Hoodster> plovs: I am now at a prompt that asks me about a log message and the options abort, continue or edit, which should I choose?
[06:13] <plovs> abort and try again
[06:14] <Hoodster> plovs: I didn't quite undertand the i <my message> part. When do I do this? Before press Esc key?
[06:15] <plovs> press the i, type your message, press escape, press w, press q
[06:16] <Hoodster> What message am I typing?
[06:18] <plovs> I am hoodster i am a very cool guy, or anything else you think is important to later understand you did
[06:20] <Hoodster> plovs: I added the message (a bit different though). It is now asking me for a password. What do I enter?
[06:20] <plovs> what server are you working on? 
[06:21] <Hoodster> plovs: I have no idea. ChrisH set me up.
[06:21] <plovs> did ChrisH give you a pasword?
[06:21] <Hoodster> ChrisH: Can you help?
[06:22] <Hoodster> plov: I don't recall if he did or didn't.
[06:25] <plovs> Hoodster, ChrisH might be offline atm, just send it by mail for now
[06:25] <Hoodster> ChrisH: How do I do that?
[06:25] <Hoodster> plovs: How do I do that?
[06:27] <plovs> Hoodster, mail the doc you wrote to me as attachement
[06:28] <Hoodster> plovs: What I mean is... Where do I find your email addresses? Are they at the Ubuntu website? I need a bit of orienting.
[06:29] <plovs> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AlexanderPoslavsky
[06:29] <plovs> alexander.poslavsky AT gmail.com
[06:29] <Hoodster> Okay, I think i found it. It is at the top of the FAQ page.
[06:29] <plovs> yes also :-)
[06:31] <Hoodster> plovs: I just sent it.
[06:32] <plovs> Hoodster, ok, got it
[06:34] <plovs> Hoodster, where did you make your changes
[06:36] <Hoodster> plovs: To the java section near the bottom.
[06:38] <Hoodster> plovs: I get to it quickly by doing a find for "How to install java"
[06:40] <Hoodster> plovs: I don't quite understand why the text does not show up. Is there a simple explanation? hehe
[06:45] <plovs> Hoodster, yes, you missed a couple of characters ;-)
[06:48] <Hoodster> plovs: Please educate me. Which ones? Useful info for me.
[06:49] <plovs> Hoodster, just send it
[06:49] <plovs> be back in a while
[07:12] <enrico> Ehi!
[07:12] <enrico> The only holy thing here is the Cow! :)
[07:12] <enrico> apt-get moo
[07:16] <cenerentola> enrico:
[07:17] <enrico> cenerentola: ? :)
[07:17] <plovs> hi enrico
[07:18] <plovs> Hoodster, well?
[07:19] <enrico> hi plovs !
[07:19] <cenerentola> sorry ppl but ill hijack enrico for a while
[07:33] <Hoodster> plovs: sorry for not responding, however, I have made signficant progress!
[07:34] <Hoodster> plovs: Can I send you my updated java portion now via email?
[07:43] <Hoodster> To All: I added a new file to the repository (if there is more than one, not sure which, hehe). This new file is called faq_hoodster.xml and contains updated portion on how to install java. I will be signing off for now, but I look forward to doing more work.
[10:18] <WW> Hello world.
[10:19] <Hoodster> Hey ww
[10:24] <WW> Hello again.
[10:26] <WW> I was going to check out the faq and experiment with xml, but "svn co http://169.155.172.150/faq" didn't work.
[10:26] <ChrisH> The FAQ is currently at http://ubuntu.workaround.org:8080/faq
[10:27] <WW> OK, I'll try that.  I got the other command from the mailing list.
[10:27] <ChrisH> It is 69 - not 169. And we will probably move the current archive there in the next days. John hat some trouble with his server so the respository is still on my server.
[10:28] <plovs> ChrisH, does ssh work now to john's server?
[10:28] <WW> ChrisH: Ah, that was an IRC typo; I used 69 when I gave the command.
[10:28] <ChrisH> plovs: haven't tried
[10:28] <ChrisH> plovs: Just tried. Nope. Same error.
[10:30] <plovs> ChrisH, could you take a look at what i wrote to the mailing-list? i would like to get everybodies opiniion on it
[10:31] <ChrisH> plovs: Just read it.
[10:32] <ChrisH> plovs: IIRC sivang was about to create a proper todo list. I don't like the Wiki approach that much as information is spread throughout the whole site.
[10:32] <ChrisH> plovs: We surely need more information for both writers and translators.
[10:32] <ChrisH> plovs: There will be probably an increasing number of people joining here and just asking "how can I help?"
[10:33] <plovs> ChrisH, that's why we need a proper answer for them, using those pages we have
[10:34] <ChrisH> plovs: IMHO all *organised* parts should be in DocBook. May it be the FAQ or whatever is to come.
[10:35] <ChrisH> plovs: The Wiki is a good place to plan the conference or to lists download mirrors.
[10:44] <plovs> ChrisH, i agree all real docs in docbook, i have been reading the docbook-book (partly) and really like it
[10:44] <plovs> i like the wiki for docs in progress
[10:46] <plovs> and working with docbook was surprisingly fast i must say
[10:47] <ChrisH> plovs: It just looks ugly. :)
[10:49] <plovs> only <screen> does, it really bugs me it does not line up
[10:50] <plovs> ChrisH why did you use article for the faq and not book?
[10:51] <ChrisH> No reason really. Is book better suited?
[10:53] <plovs> a book might be easier to cut in pieces, and subdivide
[10:53] <plovs> the faq is getting quite long
[10:53] <ChrisH> plovs: Ah, now I remember. <article> is what yelp expects.
[10:53] <plovs> hmm, the gnome docs are book afaik, no?
[10:54] <ChrisH> http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gdp/templates.html
[10:54] <ChrisH> It's either <legalnotice> or <article>
[10:58] <plovs> look in yelp desktop, userguide, it looks like <book>
[10:59] <ChrisH> plovs: I don't know for sure really. But you can use <sect1> <sect2> <sect3> in both. You could try out how the XHTML looks for a <book>
[11:00] <plovs> /usr/share/gnome/help/user-guide/C/user-guide.xml
[11:01] <plovs> is book, well the only difference i liked is the index on the left, we could add morecategories, would be a lot of work maybe
[11:01] <plovs> but i do not know enough about docbook to say anything more
[11:02] <ChrisH> plovs: In yelp that leads to a TOC with more levels! That would be great.
[11:02] <ChrisH> plovs: Shall I convert it to book?
[11:03] <plovs> try!
[11:04] <ChrisH> go, go, go... :)
[11:06] <ChrisH> Hmm. The TOC is gone in the XHTML output. Why that?
[11:09] <plovs> ChrisH, if you look at /usr/share/gnome/help/user-guide/C/gosbasic.xml you'll see all what we call <sect1> is called chapter
[11:09] <ChrisH> It does not appear as a chapter on html so...
[11:09] <plovs> maybe s/sect1/chapter/g and s/sect2/sect1/g ??
[11:09] <ChrisH> ah... i see...
[11:10] <ChrisH> probably... I'll try
[11:13] <WW> Hey, I've been experimenting with adding an index to the faq.
[11:13] <WW> In html, it works well.
[11:14] <WW> I mean the html output.
[11:14] <ChrisH> WW: which xsl params did you set for that?
[11:14] <WW> None.  I'm editing faq.xml
[11:15] <ChrisH> WW: A manual TOC?
[11:16] <plovs> ChrisH, no a ReST TOC
[11:17] <plovs> ChrisH, very nice btw
[11:17] <ChrisH> Huh? What now? FAQ? ReST? TOC?
[11:17] <WW> Take a look:  http://math.colgate.edu/~wweckesser/faq.html   Scroll down to "Index"
[11:17] <WW> I don't know why Index doesn't show up in the ToC
[11:18] <ChrisH> WW: nice
[11:18] <ChrisH> But how do you do a TOC in a <book>? That's the question.
[11:18] <WW> Oh, I see what you were asking... it's not a ToC, it's an index that I added.
[11:18] <ChrisH> Did you use <book>?
[11:18] <ggi> Is anybody running Hoary here? There seem to be problems with yelp.
[11:19] <WW> No, article.  I just added <index /> at the end, and then added lots of <indexterm><primary>keyword</primary></indexterm>
[11:19] <trickie> ggi, i am
[11:19] <ChrisH> WW: I also did that in <article>. But <book> seems to be suited better. I'm working on it having a TOC, too.
[11:20] <WW> ChrisH: Does book use the same keywords for the index? (I hope so.)
[11:21] <ChrisH> WW: I'm pretty sure it does.
[11:21] <trickie> ggi, i cannot load any docbook xml files with yelp
[11:21] <WW> If you like the index, I'd be happy to commit it.
[11:21] <ChrisH> WW: It looks a bit... chaotic... with the long strings.
[11:21] <ggi> trickie: Yeah, neither can I. I was trying to look through the GNOME docs.
[11:22] <sivang> hey ggi
[11:22] <sivang> trickie
[11:22] <sivang> all
[11:22] <sivang> :)
[11:22] <sivang> network up again :)
[11:22] <ChrisH> sivang: Back from getting cookies? :)
[11:22] <ggi> hi sivang
[11:22] <WW> ChrisH: That's the default for the index... It uses the question.  I think if the output were a printed book, they would be page numbers.
[11:22] <sivang> ChrisH : I got back from that already, had network done after ...didn't I tell you about it ? :)
[11:23] <sivang> arghh
[11:23] <sivang> down
[11:23] <ChrisH> WW: Perhaps we can fine-tune that?
[11:23] <sivang> not 'done'
[11:23] <ChrisH> sivang: Not really. :)
[11:24] <WW> ChrisH: I suspect tweaking xsl parameters would help, but I'm not sure which ones, or how to do that.
[11:25] <ChrisH> Ah! :)
[11:26] <ChrisH> Found it... :)
[11:29] <trickie> sivang, hello!
[11:30] <sivang> Hi Trickie! At least I'm catching you new comers at a reasonable time :)
[11:30] <trickie> ChrisH, http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/TOCcontrol.html - talks about TOC parameters for XSL
[11:30] <trickie> sivang, yeah... what is the time in your part of the world?
[11:30] <ChrisH> trickie: Thanks. That's the page I'm on currently. ;)
[11:30] <trickie> ChrisH, awesome!
[11:30] <ChrisH> Problem was: if there is a <sect1> but no <chapter> then no TOC will be generated. Argh.
[11:30] <sivang> 0:30am
[11:30] <sivang> :)
[11:31] <sivang> but last night it was around 6:00am, after a sleepless night 
[11:32] <trickie> sivang, 9.30am sunday morn here... nice and fresh-faced
[11:32] <sivang> where you at?
[11:34] <plovs> ChrisH, i found it
[11:34] <ChrisH> Okay... works.
[11:35] <ChrisH> I've just checked in a version of <book> with a changed .xsl definition file that generates a TOC.
[11:35] <trickie> sivang, melbourne australia
[11:35] <ChrisH> Check it out and check for yourself. :)
[11:35] <ChrisH> I just wonder why 'yelp' hangs on the faq.xml file. :(
[11:35] <plovs> ChrisH, ok! i'll check it out
[11:35] <sivang> ah! you could go to the sydney lug!
[11:35] <sivang> it looks like one of the nicest LUGs on earth :)
[11:36] <sivang> People, what is in the works currently? still on the faq?
[11:36] <ChrisH> Sure
[11:37] <WW> Hmm... the Index shows up in the ToC in yelp, but the actual index page is blank.
[11:37] <ChrisH> WW: I didn't yet include an index.
[11:37] <WW> ChrisH: That was about my copy... I haven't updated anything.
[11:38] <ChrisH> WW: ah, ok, sorry
[11:39] <trickie> ChrisH, works for me! I still can't load anything in yelp, but the html output looks nice
[11:39] <ChrisH> trickie: Cool.
[11:40] <ChrisH> The FAQ seems to become really large. We should chunk it into multiple pages. I'll try that tomorrow.
[11:40] <ChrisH> If you don't mind I'll go napping.
[11:40] <trickie> ggi, do you know if there is a bug report for what is happenning in yelp?
[11:41] <sivang> there is,
[11:41] <sivang> you talk about the 'document could not be process" ?
[11:41] <trickie> sivang, cool
[11:41] <sivang> I am already talking about it with yelp
[11:41] <sivang> 's author, the amazing shaun mckane
[11:41] <sivang> :)
[11:41] <sivang> McKane
[11:42] <trickie> sivang, ok... i get a xsl import error
[11:42] <ggi> trickie: bug number 3557
[11:42] <trickie> sivang, i'll have a look
[11:42] <sivang> yes that's the one
[11:42] <sivang> so FAQ is the main work now?
[11:42] <trickie> ChrisH, i can have a look at chunking it if you wan
[11:42] <ChrisH> trickie: Yes, thanks.
[11:44] <ggi> Is there anything in svn for the FAQ yet? I don't seem to be getting anything.
[11:45] <plovs> ChrisH, I'm chopping it up right now (the faq)
[11:45] <trickie> ggi, it is in ChrisH's svn... http://ubuntu.workaround.org:8080/faq
[11:46] <trickie> ggi, svn co http://ubuntu.workaround.org:8080/faq
[11:46] <ggi> Thanks trickie
[11:49] <sivang> plovs : seen your mail
[11:52] <plovs> sivang, it's partly what we already spoke about
[11:52] <sivang> yes I noticed...I am also going to *finally* add the goals list to HoaryHedgod page
[11:53] <plovs> sivang, :-)
[11:53] <plovs> sivang, please comment!
[11:53] <sivang> ah,, on the way!! :)
[11:53] <sivang> sorry for all my delays this weekend
[11:55] <plovs> sivang, how the  network? solved?
[11:56] <sivang> yes, for the time being :((
[11:56] <sivang> took me off for abour 2 hours, after which I had to go out to arrange some stuff
[11:57] <sivang> about 20 router reboots, one cable guy, and one cable singnal meter..
[11:57] <sivang> hopefully the gnome manual is going to be uploaded to ChrisH's svn server..
[11:59] <plovs> sivang, all's well that ends well
[12:00] <sivang> yes, however only for the time being. from my experience, when it starts , it keep bugging for about a week, after which things stabialize, then off to more 9 months without a problem, till 'see you next time!' :-/