[12:01] i'm of to sleep, thanks ChrisH for not revoking my svn-pass yet, enrico for saving the day [12:01] plovs_: please sleep well: it wasn't your fault, I bet :) [12:02] plovs_: Why should I revoke anything? Kidding? :) [12:02] plovs_: That's the advantage of a repository. If anything breaks just go back to an earlier version. [12:03] plovs_: If you ever find me cancelling an account for such a poor reason I deserver to be banned from here! [12:03] :-) night guys [12:03] renite... [12:04] . o O ( and if anything breaks seriouly just ask enrico :) ) O o . === sivang LOLs [12:04] enrico : are busy at the moment? [12:05] about to go to bed: can I be of last-minute help? [12:06] ChrisH: make a daily backup of the repository, just in case :) [12:06] enrico : I would like to start putting stuff into yelp, do you know anything of it? [12:07] I already thought about creating a ubuntnu-doc pacakge, [12:07] sivang: no, but I can study in the next days [12:07] maybe hornbeck knows about it, too [12:07] ok, I am also in contact with shaunm, it's author so we should be able to get help from him also.. [12:07] however, as I am not that experienced I find it at times hard to understand his instructions :) === sivang tries to show that he is doing _something_ :) [12:11] sivang: just pretend you know a lot and forward those instructions around :) [12:12] hahah === enrico goes to bed [12:12] Good night enrico [12:20] sivang, still awake? [12:21] yes , trying to get some work done after I've been pretty ill most of the day [12:21] :( [12:21] too bad [12:21] yelp just uses docbook [12:22] plovs_ : I know, I am thinking of creating a package that will hold our docs from our svn server, [12:22] if you are interested in that, make a list of docs you would like t o have in yelp [12:22] and will just copy the docbook xml documentation to somwhere (/usr/share/ubuntu-doc) and then run update-scrollkeeper [12:23] so it would get registered [12:23] we should see if we can get all the important docs in yelp [12:23] including manpages [12:23] manpages...hmmm [12:24] and we need to bug the author to fix searching [12:24] some manpages are good [12:24] havn't given though to that, but I know there are several gtk tools which let you read man pages in gnome [12:24] yes they are..some aren't :) [12:24] man pages are build from docbook [12:24] at least they can be [12:24] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3353 [12:25] we want to get the faq in yelp as well [12:25] anyway, I am trying now to do some of the tasks up this backlog :) [12:25] after which I will go through my task list from the doc meeting summary [12:25] nice! [12:26] at least, I think I am feeling better [12:26] btw, read the bug? [12:26] btw i prefer info pages over doc pages [12:26] yes [12:27] I never got along with info :) [12:27] i spoke with mdz about help docs, we can just make packages [12:27] for yelp i mean [12:28] i found tickets btw, will order on monday [12:30] yes, I had that answer from him sometime ago, I think. however yelp is going to need some lovin for release:) [12:30] I have 3 pending orders which I can cancell.. [12:30] I'm bargaining to get the lowest price I can :) [12:30] how much did you find? [12:31] yes about yelp, cool about the tickets [12:31] I mean, what price? (you don't have to answer if you don't want too) [12:31] :) [12:31] 350 euro [12:32] I see.. well mine's around 350-400$..still trying to get another discount :) It's kind'a acceptable here :) [12:32] but this is the price from europ I heared :) [12:32] it's kind'a expansive there [12:32] you in holland or something? [12:32] (if I recall right) [12:33] i'm in latvia atm but from holland [12:33] ah right ;) [12:33] and i'll fly over belgium [12:34] nice, you said your sister is there , right? [12:34] prices are so weird, between 1 euro to 1000 euro a ticket [12:34] yes, i'll be visiting her [12:34] that's nice :) [12:35] anyway, could you help me with some wiki catching up? [12:35] :) [12:35] I've basically avided ZWiki , until I could have a personal session with it's master :) [12:35] well quickly before my eyes close by themselves :-) [12:35] ok, shoot [12:35] how I should be adding pages? [12:36] (It's not the same as was in MoinMoin I remember) [12:36] go to the bottom of the motherpage it has a box, add a name and add page [12:37] pages are sorted in a tree [12:37] motherpage == fronpage ? [12:37] no there should not be anything under FrontPage [12:37] AllPages is the root [12:38] and then by theme: HowTo Warty etc [12:38] ok, so if I want to add something to https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals [12:38] another page? [12:39] I am adding our UDP list of hoary goald [12:39] goals [12:39] if it for us, go to docteam, otherwise under https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog [12:39] strange, it shows me the source in ReST Of the UDP page [12:40] that was imported from MoinMOin [12:40] if i touched it, then it is no longer in moin [12:40] :) [12:43] I am also thinking of adding yet another section to FP, [12:43] "I want to help" [12:43] devided to sections for, artwork, docs, development,advocacy [12:44] (another of my "good" ideas") [12:44] What if you make a page for it and link to it from the frontpage [12:44] yes , better [12:45] instead of many links [12:45] :) [12:45] yes to not clutter the main apge [12:45] that would mean that we remove the "Want to help?" at the top of page [12:46] Maybe make it link to your new page [12:46] WikiToDo is also under wiki [12:46] .. is remakr? [12:46] ok, great. not to add YASTFP [12:46] :) [12:47] Yet Another Section To Front Page [12:47] :) [12:47] i had almost deciphered it :) [12:47] **How can you help? Check out the WikiToDo list** [12:47] put https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocumentHowto on your page, it explains how to create wiki-pages [12:47] how does it know where to link ? [12:47] yes [12:47] WikiToDo is a WikiWord [12:48] it automatically links [12:48] ah, at least that was kept in ReST :) [12:48] so would SiVang if you would like it to [12:50] i can't believe http://wiki.ubuntu.com still has not been fixed [12:50] it's weeks now === cenerentola [~cenerento@host34-170.pool8290.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:50] How can you help? Check out the general TodoList? and for the blogger in nature, the WikiToDo list [12:50] this is ok? [12:50] provide a shortcut to the wiki to do list [12:52] sure, you can make sections on the todo page as well [12:52] and then add graphical work there as well [12:52] hmm..I leave the icons for you :) [12:52] you icons addcit! [12:52] addict [12:53] i read how you can make videos as well, of your linux desktop [12:53] :-) === sivang hides [12:53] :) [12:53] i have one how jakub draws a new icon in gimp [12:53] really nice [12:54] jakub? [12:54] he makes lots of gnome icons [12:54] he might make an icon for the wiki as well [12:55] but we should get our text in order first [12:55] text is more important then layout [12:56] great! [12:56] I always like some upstream lovin' :) [12:58] speaking of late, it's almost 2 o'clock, i need to get some sleep [12:58] cu tomorrow [12:59] night === skyrider [~skyrider@ppp3.pool.123.com.ua] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:10] hey skyrider! [01:11] hey [01:12] sivang: I've written some info about myself - you can find it at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AlexeyMolchanov [01:14] thanks! I am thinking of adding some internationalization section to the docteam page, so we would know about each lang community administrators and people. [01:16] sounds good [01:17] However this may have some common parts with the Internationalization team.. [01:17] so I am still not sure about it [01:18] Probably it's better to discuss this on ubuntu-doc [01:18] or ubuntu-translators [01:19] yes === sivang reminds himself to subscribe to the translators list [01:20] ok [01:21] :) [01:21] I've seen you did some more wiki work, great. [01:21] http://kid.stu.cn.ua/~skyrider/ <== what's there ? :) [01:21] yes [01:21] "Nothing useful yet" ;) [01:22] some random stuff I ever was interested in [01:22] ah nice. this is the uni webserver? [01:22] Yes [01:22] http://kid.stu.cn.ua/~skyrider/docs/debian/apt/guide.html/ <== this is also on debian doc corner? [01:23] Yes [01:23] But it's only copy of standard debian docs [01:24] ok, you got them handy :) [01:24] Our students usually don't have access to internet (*shame to the university*) [01:24] I am also learning packaging at the moment [01:24] yes , it is a shame [01:24] so I've decide to make some useful docs available for them [01:24] great [01:26] Today my good friend with my help translated one more HowTo [01:26] Result here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToGetHelpRussian [01:26] superb! [01:27] You are welcome :) [01:27] could you please have a list of all translated material under the russian community page / or somwehre on the wiki? [01:27] we must make sure no good work like yours slipps away [01:28] :) [01:28] I liked the icons [01:28] it's already there: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RussianDocumentation [01:28] nice, yeah I found it now :) === sivang is releived :) [01:29] Some more restructurization of that page needed [01:29] no prob, just make sure everything will go there [01:29] But it is task for the future [01:29] sivang: Of course! [01:29] btw, you didn' [01:29] find me any links for you [01:29] arghh [01:29] that damn [ENTER] :) [01:30] :) What links? [01:30] you found any photos for where you are? :) [01:30] Oops, sorry! [01:30] this is me : http://www.pbase.com/jsr2497/haifa [01:30] :) [01:30] I have them. But I need to choose some nice for you [01:30] I hope this doesn't take too long to load on dialup [01:31] It's loading................................ ;) [01:31] Excellent! [01:32] Very beautiful place [01:32] you might find this also useful :))) [01:32] http://www.pbase.com/ilanphoto/studance [01:33] Oh, Bikini girl! ;) [01:34] yeah :) [01:34] haha [01:35] Very interesting photos :) Thanks [01:35] no problem. I really like what Ubuntu is doing to us :) [01:35] making freinds all over the world, [01:35] sharing, getting to know each other. [01:35] it's amazing :) [01:36] yes [01:37] I really support that [01:37] sivang: I have a serious question: where I can find irc log of all Ubuntu channels? [01:37] not on http://irclog.workaround.org [01:38] I'd like to see it splited but days [01:38] skyrider : ah! a very good one. This is something I am working on with mako, lulu and well, fabbione as he is the logger guy..:) [01:38] lemme see if I can get someone to talk to me on this, [01:38] GRREEEEEEEEEAAAAAT!!! [01:39] We might be able to split days over irclogs.workaround.org [01:39] I'll check [01:40] It wold be great if logs will be colorized by irclog2html.pl script by our famous :) Jeff Waugh [01:40] I' look on it [01:40] he done that script? nice.. [01:41] yes [01:41] mail me at sivan@workaround.org , with a link to that script as well as bugging me on the log thingy so I won't forget, could you ? (sorry for asking, but I tend to have very shortem memory) [01:41] I was surprised too [01:41] Hey make have that script [01:41] ok [01:42] look for example on commuity meeting logs: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/cc-meeting_log-20041109.html [01:42] there is a link to it at the bottom of that page [01:43] Ooops! You should read it like 'Hey _mako_ have that script' [01:44] yes [01:44] just found it.. [01:44] :) [01:44] :) [01:44] I'll mail you tomorrow (today) anyway. [01:46] thanks [01:48] "irclogs.workaround.org could not be found" WTF? [01:48] hmm lemme check [01:51] http://irclog.workaround.org/ [01:51] :) [01:52] :))) [01:55] I am going to get something to eat , ttl [01:56] I'm going to sleep [01:57] All this week I've slept no more than 3 hour/day. :( [01:57] Good bye! === trickie [~trickie@203-217-43-161.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:47] hi trickie === George^Deka [~george@205.b.011.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:10] hi all === trickie_ [~trickie@203-217-43-161.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:14] hey George^Deka [03:14] hi trickie, fellow ausie about time [03:14] hi sivang, shouldnt you be cathching up on sleep [03:15] I did some, then went out, then got some enregy back :) Now I'm trying to put up some more work :) [03:18] sivang: cool, in a week or 2 i will need more work, did what i said from doc meet just not done the fx doc. [03:19] hi George^Deka [03:19] Has anyone here upgraded to fx1.0 - how did you go about it. - rem the package ? delete the dir ? symlink to the normal fx dir? [03:20] Cause there are so many ways about going about it, i want to know what people have done so i can workout what is the best [03:20] for myself and the fx howto [03:24] George^Deka : I just dist-upgraded to hoary, it was there === trickie_ [~trickie@203-217-43-161.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:25] yeah thats one way, but if your staying on warty [03:28] Well, you might be able to add hoary sources, and install just about that package, [03:28] but if it depends on stuff from haory, that it might break stuf..:) [03:28] I have no other idea, then that. [03:36] yeah i know === Hoodster [~alan@adsl-11-179-21.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:41] hey Hoodster! [03:41] I see my nightly buddies start coming in ...:) [03:41] Hi sivang! I did it! I posted the wiki page we spoke about yesterday at Room101 [03:41] great! === sivang is having a look [03:42] hoodster: ill have a look to you know off hand what the address for room101 is [03:43] Hoodster : 2 words = (superb,thank_you!) :) [03:43] George^Deka: Yes, it is https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Room101 [03:43] also i had a problem installing last night was hotplug had to pyll out all usb devices and it worked, should that go in room101 [03:44] sivang: No, thank you. I do think I was a bit wordy. I also don't know how it will be received. That makes me most nervous. [03:44] Before I forget, Hi George^Deka: It is good to see you again. [03:44] George^Deka : that can go there, plus I would recommend opening a bug against it [03:45] Hoodster : don't worry about it. However , I am not sure if the reboot is neccesary - if you had trouble with gnome, even logout --> login could help [03:45] check that..if you find it's ok, you could change the page in the future. And don't worry, we are very nice happy bunch of people here [03:46] sivang: Yeah, you are right. The reboot is left over from my windows days (hehe) [03:46] no prob :) [03:47] I didn't add my name to it, so I have no idea if anyone can really find out who posted it. Is it anonymous at the moment? [03:48] I also just noticed that I did not truly folllow the Room101 instructions in the white box. I did not name the hardware/software or anything like that... [03:49] well, this is basically a general issue , so I think that might be appropriate if you just mentioned something that this related to dual booting, pc system or something. [03:49] but hack, it would get corrected by Alex Poslavsky anyways I guess, if he find the need. [03:49] don't worry too much about it [03:51] I don't like to do it, if it isn't correct (LOL) [03:52] Just adopt the habit, of when you finish something on the wiki, post the list ask for comments etc.. [03:53] this is the general way how we do stuff here, that would get attention by other memebrs and you would get comments and corrections :) [03:53] Hoodster: i am getting something craziest thing when i look at that URL [03:54] Hoodster: a little window opens up titled 'Gecko' and '%pippkiDTD' as the text [03:54] trickie_ : let us here it [03:55] Hoodster: The main window doesn't load [03:55] trickie_: I don't know, the url link in XChat works for me. Does anyone else have a problem with it? [03:56] Yeah i think it must be my firefox... looks like a rendering error [03:56] hence 'Gecko' as the title of the little error window [03:56] trickie_: I am using Firfox 0.9.3. [03:58] hmmm [03:58] just opened it from a term and it worked ok... [03:58] that was wierd [03:59] I didn't [03:59] I use 1.0 on hoary [04:00] i am using RC1 on hoary [04:00] every now and then i get some wierd stuff like but can't reproduce it [04:02] trickie_: Nothing like being on the cutting edge of technology (hehe). How is the Hoary experience? [04:02] Hoodster: Great! [04:03] Hoodster: i really like this distro... i must say it is the nicest linux experience i have had [04:03] Hoodster: that why i hang out here... try to find something to help out on [04:03] trickie_: What did you use before Ubuntu? [04:04] Hoodster: well i have a OSX laptop that i use at home and at work, and at work i got a dual boot WinXP/Fedora box [04:05] Hoodster: buti just bought an new AMD64 CPU, so i thought i would try out ubuntu's AMD64 release... [04:06] Hoodster: and it is fantastic! [04:06] trickie_: Like you, I am here to see how I can contribute. I just posted my first wiki page with the expert help of sivang and George^Deka. I am ready for more... [04:06] Hoodster: So that is Room101? [04:07] trickie_: Good to hear Ubuntu works well with AMD64, I am going to recommend it to a co-worker that has this CPU. [04:07] ok guys, I'm currently working on the a more dignified TodoList for us..I will get it ready by sunday I guess :) [04:08] sivang: Okay. I will be out of town on Sunday and Monday. I probably view the new page Tuesday and show up here Tuesday night to see how I can contribute. [04:08] no problem Hoodster , that's cool :) [04:08] every help is blessed [04:10] thanks hoodster, i had not even reallised my issue [04:10] thanks hoodster, i had not even reallised i have the same issue [04:11] should it not be a howto ? [04:12] George^Deka: Your quite welcome. I love to help.... It is sort of a combination of a feature request and a workaround.... [04:12] I am sure it can be described a couple of other ways. It is, what it is.... (hehe) [04:14] sivang: Without divulging the specifics of the updated ToDoList, will it be lengthy and span months or will it be short and specific with target dates within one to two weeks? [04:15] I am not sure about target dates, this might get more formal outlinening on the conf IMHO, but there is an ever growing list of stuff need get done that I am going to put there, and would keep short and pointy :) [04:16] basically the wish is to have 3 major things for hoary release: [04:17] sivang, is the updated list up yet (at least partway through completion ?) so i maybe able to take stuff [04:18] sivang: Will it be a requirement that I use Hoary? I am using Warty. I would hate to not be able to contribute because I am incompatible. [04:18] ChrisH: you around? [04:18] * Fix Ubuntu already shipping documentation, re bug https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3353 [04:19] * Pacakge and deliver stuff from wiki / other sources to be available offline, through yelp (GNOME help browser) [04:20] * Establish the infrastructure to allow broad community participationo in contributing. [04:20] this are high level ofcourse.. [04:20] hornbeck : he's way in bed :) [04:20] damn [04:20] hornbeck : how the server going? [04:21] I am working on the svn right now [04:21] but I am getting a server error [04:21] I followed his instructions to the t [04:21] you'll just have to wait to (our) mornig :) [04:21] that is, UTC+2 [04:22] hornbeck: you need some help with svn? [04:22] trickie_ yes [04:22] hornbeck: i know a little [04:22] I have apache set up [04:22] hornbeck: whats the issue [04:22] I set up svn from ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Subversion [04:23] when I try to access it, it errors with "Alert!:HTTP/1.1 500 Internel Server Error [04:23] I am not sure what I am doing wrong [04:24] hornbeck: ok... can you access the apache error log? [04:24] yeah [04:25] could not open the requested svn filesystem is the last one [04:25] hornbeck: ok... give me too secs [04:25] ok [04:27] hornbeck: have you got the filesystem location mapped to a web accessible URI? [04:27] 69.155.172.150/doc [04:27] try it [04:28] working [04:28] :) [04:28] [04:28] Could not open the requested SVN filesystem [04:28] [04:28] it couldn't open the file... [04:28] :( [04:28] right [04:29] but apache is running [04:29] :) [04:29] has the filesystem path got priviledges for the apache user [04:29] ? [04:29] but 69.155.172.150/index.html [04:29] that works [04:29] I don't know [04:30] hornbeck: what are the privilesdges for the subversion repository on the filesystem [04:30] ? [04:30] hornbeck: 777 [04:31] all open [04:31] hornbeck: do you have ssh going on the machine ? [04:31] ssh will not work for some reason :-) [04:31] have never been able to get it to work [04:33] damn.. ReST is killing me, hornbeck could you help me ? I started changing something on the FrontPage, namely the link to the wiki to do list, [04:33] could you revert it ? [04:33] for some reason it's giving me System Message: WARNING/2 (, line 28); backlink [04:33] Inline strong start-string without end-string. [04:33] or George^Deka ? any ReST guru here... [04:34] im trying to get to the frontpage first [04:35] ReST aint that bad, iv only been using it for 3 days, just read the doc and you cant go too wrong [04:36] why can't adding a link ? 'JUst work' ?? :) [04:36] based off the error you didnt end the bold [04:36] but ill have a look, loging in now [04:36] it can if you add it right [04:36] hornbeck: hard to figure out what is without seeing how u set up the repository location the apache conf file [04:39] sivang, what was the link you were trying to add - location ? [04:39] just revert it back to the already 'WikiToDo' [04:41] which is already exsiting.. [04:42] I will continue ReST tommorow :) it's not easy for late hours :) [04:42] well if you have the doc u wanna link, i can add the link easy enough [04:43] think i worked out what you did wrong you did **text ** and it should be **text** i think [04:46] fixed it, i have not reverted it for the time being === hornbeck [~hornbeck@adsl-69-155-172-150.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:50] sivang, fixed === George^Deka brb smoke time [04:50] thanks! [04:51] sivang, i did not revert it though for now - see above i explained your error [04:52] sorry, I had some urgent irc convos [04:59] i understand [05:00]