[12:00] <Nart> hello, my ubuntu install takes forever on boot on 'Configuring Network Interfaces', and after it boots, my onboard LAN doesnt work... I'm running an Athlon64 with Giabit Lan of an nForce3 250gb chipset... anyone ran through this?
[12:01] <IOStorm> <---- UBER NOOB!
[12:01] <IOStorm> Sorry
[12:02] <Nart> installed nForce drivers, enabled it, moved forcedeth into blacklist and still nothing :(
[12:02] <LifesizeKenDoll> Nart: what blacklist?
[12:03] <LifesizeKenDoll> IOStorm: hehe
[12:03] <Riddell> oldfish: incidently you could just use my KDE packages
[12:04] <sm> yay, -M option
[12:05] <Nart> LifesizeKenDoll, sorry /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[12:05] <oldfish> Riddell, I just apt-get -b source xmms, and its doing automatically, however it installed dependancies binary only, I will have to see if I can have everything compiled next, and btw it is compiling it for i686
[12:08] <encryptio__> hey guys.
[12:08] <t17mh> hrmph -- so, I'm well along with my debian-to-ubuntu conversion. The only tricky part are packages I have to "downgrade" to the ubuntu version -- can anyone thing of a quick way to tell aptitude to select all versions with "ubuntu" in the name?
[12:08] <encryptio__> xorg is screwed.
[12:09] <encryptio__> how do i boot to init3 with yaboot?
[12:10] <t17mh> nevermind -- figured it out. synaptic lets you filter by words in version... once I've done that it's pretty easy to do manual (though if someone has a fast way...)
[12:10] <encryptio__> hello?
[12:10] <alexeijh> same with aptitude, limit and put "~Vubuntu"
[12:11] <scumler> does anybody know how to make Ubuntu recognize an aztech1008 isa-pnp sound card?
[12:11] <sm> hmm grep --line-buffered maybe good for realtime stuff
[12:11] <crimsun> t17mh: there's an even faster way.
[12:12] <crimsun> t17mh: force apt to consider anything in the ubuntu repositories at higher priority than anything in debian
[12:12] <crimsun> t17mh: man apt_preferences
[12:12] <t17mh> crimsun: Now that's what I'm talking about :)
[12:13] <amathis> if I hooked up a slave WinXP (bleh) HD, would ubuntu detect it and give me a purrty dual boot, or would I need to edit /etc/lilo.conf   ?
[12:14] <crimsun> add it to grub's menu.lst
[12:14] <amathis> oops, that is right >D ubuntu uses grub
[12:14] <amathis> crimsun~ how
[12:15] <amathis> ?
[12:15] <t17mh> crimsun: will aptitude follow /etc/apt/preferences automatically or should I use apt-get?
[12:16] <crimsun> amathis: if you don't feel comfortable editing menu.lst manually, you'll have to generate a new menu.lst using grub-install
[12:16] <amathis> crimsun~ ah, so grub install will reinstall grub WITH linux and windows?
[12:16] <crimsun> t17mh: I've used apt-get; not certain about aptitude
[12:18] <t17mh> crimsun: It's easy enough to do it that way then.
[12:19] <thoreauputic> t17mh: learning apt's command set is always worthwhile anyway
[12:20] <sjoerd> daniels: can mergeFB do no-square setups ?
[12:20] <sjoerd> my lcd screen has a huge virtual size now :(
[12:20] <daniels> not to my knowledge, sorry
[12:20] <daniels> it's sort of difficult to make a non-rectangular fb
[12:21] <sjoerd> ah well, at least it works.. that's the most important
[12:22] <Nart> anyone running nForce 3 based gigabit onboard lan with ubuntu?
[12:35] <amathis> ok, I hooked up my second HD, how can I configure GRUB to dual boot?
[12:36] <epod> Can anyone help me set up firefox 1.0 on warty?  It will only run as root once I install it
[12:36] <socomm> amathis: add an entry to your /boot/grub/menu.list
[12:36] <socomm> epod: where did you install it?
[12:37] <socomm> epod: under which directory?
[12:38] <epod> in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/
[12:39] <socomm> epod: have you linked it to /usr/bin/firefox?
[12:39] <amathis> socomm~ hmm, if it is the second HD, what would the 'root' be? (hdb, 0) ?
[12:40] <epod> socomm, yes
[12:40] <nimc> when will firefox 1.0 be available on synaptic ?
[12:40] <socomm> amathis: most likely hdb.
[12:40] <socomm> nimc: it's available on hoary.
[12:40] <amathis> socomm~ do I need to have a 'kernel' and 'initrd' ??
[12:40] <amathis> or is that just for linux boots?
[12:41] <nimc> how come its not available on warty then?
[12:41] <epod> socomm, I installed it as root, since my user account can't write to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox - and I used the installer, btw
[12:42] <socomm> amathis: linux only, other OSes don't need that.
[12:42] <thoreauputic> nimc: because warty is the stable (read "frozen") version, and the release cycle is about 6 months
[12:42] <amathis> socomm~ ok, wish me luch >_^
[12:42] <socomm> amathis: good luck.
[12:42] <nimc> thoreauputic, so whats the point of the synaptic updates ?
[12:43] <socomm> epod: run `ln -s /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox /usr/bin/firefox'
[12:43] <thoreauputic> nimc: security, mainly
[12:43] <amathis> socomm~ heh, forgot to ask.. with lilo, you gotta re run 'lilo'
[12:43] <amathis> same for grub?
[12:43] <socomm> amathis: grub you don't need that.
[12:43] <epod> socomm, I did that.
[12:43] <amathis> ok
[12:43] <amathis> thanks
[12:44] <nimc> i don't understand why not have firefox 1.0 upgrade there? just because no one think it's important enough to bother and do it, unlike security ?
[12:44] <socomm> epod: now alt+f2 and type firefox.
[12:44] <epod> socomm, it doesn't work
[12:44] <epod> socomm, you already asked me if I'd linked it.
[12:44] <encryptio__> help me! i've got a corrupted gdm display -- my cursor is fine, I can log in, but all I see is sheared images.
[12:44] <socomm> whoops.
[12:44] <cardador> debian unstable already have the new nvidia driver 66.29. Will it be released for Ubuntu?
[12:45] <thoreauputic> epod: you didn't need to install in that dir, and you didn't need to install as root either - your permissions are now foo-barred
[12:45] <socomm> epod: so what's the error?
[12:45] <jind> Hi pk_cen :)
[12:45] <epod> socomm, one second and I'll tell you
[12:45] <epod> I have to reinstall it
[12:45] <epod> should I install as sudo or in a root shell?
[12:45] <socomm> thoreauputic: he probably wanted a global installation.
[12:46] <epod> thoreauputic, I want a global installation.  How ought I to be installing it?
[12:46] <socomm> epod: shouldn't matter.
[12:46] <sm> more about less
[12:46] <thoreauputic> socomm: the package manager is probably totally confused now
[12:46] <sm> it shows initial results right away - don't have to wait for piped-in command to finish
[12:46] <xaero> does Ubuntu have better AMD64 support than Debian does?
[12:46] <epod> thoreauputic, I didn't install it with dpkg, since it's an installer
[12:47] <socomm> thoreauputic: yes, but it will probably overwrite whatever you install by hand.
[12:47] <nimc> why not add firefox 1.0 to synaptic for warty users? it must be very popular....
[12:47] <socomm> xaero: ubuntu == debian unstable.
[12:47] <mjr> xaero, well, yes, since Debian doesn't have official amd64 support :)
[12:47] <mjr> (though there is the as yet unofficial port)
[12:47] <xaero> yeah, that's what i'm running now
[12:48] <sm> and, it's perfectly happy to let me page my entire half-gig logfile as well as following the latest data, highlighting search patterns and even numbering the 3 million lines if I want
[12:48] <xaero> I have to set up stuff in chroots and shit =/
[12:48] <sm> clearly I should have been using this pager from-the-future a long time ago
[12:48] <thoreauputic> epod: I'm aware of that
[12:48] <sm> thanks :)
[12:49] <mjr> xaero, for running 32-bit software? That's pretty much the same over here.
[12:49] <xaero> like openoffice
[12:49] <xaero> and cdega
[12:49] <xaero> *cedega
[12:50] <mjr> well, in ubuntu, you don't need that for openoffice
[12:50] <mjr> but that's probably 'cause there's a special ia32-libs-openoffice.org package
[12:50] <mjr> for cedega, you'd probably have to do chroot magic, yes
[12:51] <xaero> well the problem is, i can't get direct rendering in the chroot =(
[12:51] <amathis> ok
[12:51] <mjr> xaero, no, that's not actually the problem
[12:51] <amathis> socomm~ grub gave error when I chose the windows one
[12:51] <amathis> socomm~ is there a fail safe way for me ? ^_^
[12:51] <socomm> amathis: what's the exact error.
[12:51] <xaero> mjr: oh no?
[12:51] <amathis> socomm~ could not parse (hdb, 0)
[12:52] <socomm> amathis: hdb is probably the wrong device.
[12:52] <amathis> socomm~ how can I look at the devices then?
[12:52] <mjr> xaero, I'd wager that your version of the DRI kernel driver doesn't actually support 32-bit clients on a 64-bit kernel at all
[12:52] <mjr> which seems to be the case for my ubuntu 2.6.8.1 kernel, anyway
[12:52] <xaero> I don't use DRI
[12:53] <xaero> I use nvidia
[12:53] <socomm> amathis: cd /dev/ && ls hd*
[12:53] <mjr> are they supposed to support it?
[12:53] <socomm> amathis: should be /dev or /.dev
[12:53] <xaero> mjr: dunno
[12:53] <xaero> but i know other ppl got this working with nvidia
[12:53] <xaero> a guy in the debian/amd64 chan
[12:54] <mjr> *shrug*
[12:54] <socomm> amathis: hd1, maybe?
[12:54] <mjr> you do have /dev inside the chroot too, and access to the nvidia device nodes there?
[12:54] <socomm> hd0 is the first disk, hd1 should be the second/slave.
[12:54] <amathis> hda  hda1  hda2  hda5  hda6  hda7  hdb  hdb1  hdc  hdd
[12:55] <amathis> it is hdb
[12:55] <robust> hmm .. what is the default admin password in ubuntu , my xf86config isnt correct and i need to edit it ;(
[12:55] <mjr> robust, there is none, use sudo
[12:55] <socomm> amathis: yeah, but you'll need something like `root (hd1,0)'
[12:56] <amathis> socomm~ will try
[12:56] <robust> mjr: can you explain howto use sudo really quick ;> ?
[12:56] <robust> be a pal..
[12:56] <socomm> amathis: wait.
[12:56] <mjr> sudo command
[12:56] <mjr> (runs command as root, after you enter your own password)
[12:56] <t17mh> robust: often I type the command first so I can use tab completion, then C-a to the beginning of the line and type sudo :)
[12:57] <socomm> amathis: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Multiboot-with-GRUB.html
[12:57] <mjr> xaero, hmh, 1.0-6106 does seem to support 32-bit clients; check that yours is up to date
[12:57] <xaero> i have 6629
[12:57] <t17mh> robust: You can also open a root terminal, or just sudo sh to get a root terminal.
[12:57] <mjr> righto, then the dev stuff
[12:58] <Lowry> hi all
[12:58] <thoreauputic> t17mh: sudo -s works for a root shell, too
[12:58] <socomm> amathis: try `root (hd1, 0).
[12:58] <robust> well..
[12:58] <robust> if i use sudo sh it asks me for a password ...
[12:58] <shaver> yes
[12:58] <shaver> your password
[12:58] <t17mh> robust: that's *your* password, not the admin password.
[12:58] <shaver> not root's
[12:58] <robust> well .. i've tried mine a couple of times ..
[12:58] <robust> ill try again
[12:58] <robust> *sigh*
[12:58] <robust> it worked ;>
[12:59] <t17mh> So actually... I'm in the midst of this debian-to-ubuntu migration. If I wanted to eliminate the root account for completeness and do it the ubuntu way, how would I go about it...?
[01:00] <dle> I just installed Warty onto a system with a Radeon 9200se vid card.  on boot-up, it gets as far as starting GDM, then the screen turns into colour noise.  i can't get to a console either.  Any ideas?
[01:00] <xaero> t17mh: debian-to-ubuntu?
[01:02] <mjr> dle, hmh. I'll guess: boot into recovery mode and change /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to use the radeon driver instead of ati; probably won't work for you, but I had a problem with that (though it only prevented X startup, which is why I don't believe you have the same problem)
[01:02] <t17mh> xaero: yup. just switched to ubuntu sources :)
[01:02] <mjr> but just in case
[01:03] <dle> mjr: thanks.  recovery mode is an optionat the boot prompt?
[01:03] <amathis> ok, now it says... Filesystem Unknown
[01:03] <mjr> dle, yes
[01:03] <amathis> is there a way that grub can just search and do it for me?
[01:03] <xaero> t17mh: ok
[01:04] <nimc> which driver is supposed to be faster, ati or radeon ?
[01:04] <xaero> t17mh: so u can change to ubuntu without reinstalling :D?
[01:04] <robust> i have another questions does someone know what hor and vert sync i should have (im using a lg 1915s)
[01:04] <socomm> amathis: no, but there are ways you can pass arguments to it.
[01:04] <t17mh> xaero: I'll find out :)
[01:04] <xaero> what gcc are the amd64 packages with?
[01:04] <socomm> s/arguments/commands.
[01:04] <xaero> *compiled with
[01:04] <amathis> socomm~ could you elaborate please?
[01:04] <mjr> nimc, the ati driver is supposed to start the radeon driver when needed (but it bugged out on me, hence the manual change)
[01:05] <nimc> mjr, ok... and what are the drawbacks of just using the radeon driver in xf86config-4 ?
[01:05] <socomm> amathis: grub lets you entercommands before you boot, I think it's escape or something to get into it's command line.
[01:05] <mjr> nimc, well, it won't automatically work if you switch your card to a non-radeon ati? ;)
[01:05] <socomm> amathis: what is the exact entry you have for your second hard disk
[01:06] <nimc> hehe ok
[01:06] <amathis> let me pastebin it.
[01:06] <robust> can someone be super kind and find out what horizontal and vertical sync i have to use on a lg1915s ?
[01:06] <nimc> could anyone help me with getting direct rendering in glxinfo to work ?
[01:07] <amathis> socomm~ http://pastebin.com/119343
[01:07] <mjr> nimc, there's a vague chance, what's your card?
[01:07] <zez> where could I find some info on ho wto install the official ATI drivers?
[01:08] <socomm> amathis: xp?
[01:08] <amathis> socomm~ yessa
[01:08] <nimc> mjr, radeon 7800 (which is about the same as 7500) in a31p ibm thinkpad laptop
[01:08] <zez> cool, some other people are working with readon cards
[01:09] <mjr> nimc, ok, I happen to have a thinkpad with 7500, so I'll recommend that you first limit your resolution to 800x600 and see if it offers dri then
[01:09] <socomm> amathis: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Multiboot-with-GRUB.html
[01:09] <socomm> amathis: I think you need to add `rootnoverify (hd1,0) before `chainloader +1'
[01:09] <nimc> mjr, before that, another question... is there any way that might get the fglrx binary driver to work?
[01:09] <zez> epod: how did you install the drivers?  They are rpms
[01:09] <epod> zez: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:10] <socomm> amathis: and move makeactive to be the last part of your win xp entry.
[01:10] <mjr> nimc, I don't know about that
[01:10] <zez> epod: thanks
[01:10] <epod> mjr: my 9600 has issues with tuxracer, works fine with postal2, haven't tried nwn yet
[01:10] <epod> zez: np
[01:10] <t17mh> zez: as a rule, you can install rpms with alien, but it's not ideal.
[01:10] <nimc> mjr, so just to change the resolution now and try glxinfo ? or do i need a reboot ?
[01:11] <epod> nimc: you'll need to restart x
[01:11] <mjr> epod, well, I'm using the free dri driver
[01:11] <mjr> nimc, just
[01:11] <epod> mjr: ohh, I'm using fglrx
[01:11] <nimc> ok i'll try just...
[01:11] <mjr> thing is, at least the 7500 had too little video memory for dri to even bother with high resolutions
[01:12] <mjr> nimc, umm, except it won't do if you just change the res with ctrl-alt-+ or whatnot
[01:12] <mjr> you have to actually free up video mem, that is, configure X to use a 800x600 resolution from the start, and restart X
[01:12] <nimc> oh
[01:12] <nimc> well it didnt work by changing res in gnome
[01:13] <mjr> I'll note that I haven't actually gotten around to trying this on Ubuntu, this is based on my experience with Debian and installing DRI drivers on that
[01:13] <mjr> yes, it's not "supposed" to work
[01:13] <mjr> though it'd sure be nice if it did ;)
[01:13] <nimc> so what to do, changing res in gnome and rebooting is not enough ?
[01:13] <epod> I hate this.  My internet connection here at work keeps dropping
[01:14] <nimc> and if it works in 800x600, what next? i'm not planning to stay at 800x600....
[01:14] <mjr> nimc, if it works in 800x600, you make serverlayouts in the XF86Config-4 for a full-res server and for a 800x600 server, and start a separate 800x600 server if you want 3d; cumbersome, but them's the breaks as I know them
[01:15] <mjr> and you need to limit the resolution in said /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:15] <dle> ls
[01:15] <nimc> mjr, ahh so its not supposed to help for getting it to work in 1600x1200 ?
[01:15] <mjr> nimc, no, it's not
[01:16] <nimc> ok...
[01:16] <mjr> but try it anyway, at least it might tell you where the problem is
[01:17] <nimc> yes i want to try anyway...
[01:17] <nimc> so what to do, changing res in gnome and rebooting is not enough ?
[01:17] <mjr> how much video memory does your box have?
[01:17] <nimc> i think 32meg...
[01:17] <mjr> as I said, edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and restart the X server
[01:17] <cenerentola> hi there...
[01:17] <cenerentola> can someone tell me how can i disconnect a user?
[01:18] <thoreauputic> cenerentola: you mean delete a user account?
[01:18] <mjr> and by the way, in case you weren't aware of this, you can run multiple X servers at once, so if that's the issue, you could probably run your desktop at full resolution and switch to another server and back for games and such
[01:18] <nimc> hmm what to edit ? i see 4 section with 1600x1200 with different depth ?
[01:19] <cenerentola> no... lets say im root.. and i want to disconnect an hacker who has logged in
[01:19] <mjr> nimc, check the defaultdepth and change the corresponding section's Modes line to just say "800x600"
[01:20] <nimc> ahhh right... i see
[01:20] <nimc> ok, gonna do it and reboot, brb
[01:20] <cenerentola> thoreauputic:
[01:20] <thoreauputic> cenerentola: kill his shell, I guess
[01:22] <socomm> cenerentola: traceroute + gps + shotgun.
[01:23] <Hashar> hello :o) I am wondering, since ubuntu is based on debian can I migrate to it just by changing the apt sources ? :o)
[01:24] <cenerentola> socomm: chaingun
[01:24] <cenerentola> thx guys
[01:25] <Hashar> given I am under debian actually :p
[01:25] <mjr> Hashar, you might have to get your hands dirty a bit in places, but in principle yes, though the results are not guaranteed
[01:25] <cenerentola> bye
[01:25] <mjr> I first upgraded from sid
[01:26] <mjr> I hear that upgrades from sid have become less... automatic recently, as it's progressed
[01:26] <robust> how can i make the cursor move faster when i'm using no mouse , only numpad on keyboard..
[01:26] <mjr> now I run a fresh install, tho
[01:27] <Hashar> well I will probably make a copy of my hard disk, remove most package and then try an upgrade :p
[01:27] <shampoo> Hi everyone
[01:27] <shampoo> is there a way to enable ldap in evolution ?
[01:27] <Chibi> shampoo :o
[01:28] <t17mh> Hashar: I'm in the middle of an debian-to-ubuntu. I have a fresh install on the other box in the room :) In addition to updating sources, I'd add a line to /etc/apt/preferences to make it choose ubuntu sources over others -- I used release a=warty myself.
[01:28] <sanitario> Chibi: the multicolor nicknames?
[01:28] <Chibi> Yes. The colors always match the person's name. It's madness.
[01:28] <mjr> nimc, how's things?
[01:28] <nimc> mjr, it was totally messed up, i got a 1600x1200 display that had 4 quarter-of-the-screen mirrors, each 800x600
[01:28] <sanitario> Chibi: you know you can turn it off?
[01:28] <mjr> nimc, funny
[01:28] <Chibi> Yes, That's not what I mean, though.
[01:28] <dle> mjr: i did as you suggested.  now X won't start at all, but at least it drops me to a shell.
[01:28] <nimc> mjr, and glxinfo still said direct rendering: no
[01:29] <sanitario> Chibi: ok, that's good
[01:29] <mjr> dle, well, that's progress then ;)
[01:29] <Hashar> t17mh> going to try that. Do you have any url for the apt repository ?  :o)
[01:29] <mjr> nimc, righto. Then I'm out of ideas really.
[01:29] <Chibi> The colors always match the user on a subliminal level. It's like Gaim has some sort of built in... o_o... thing... for freaking you out.
[01:29] <nimc> i had to reboot, it was messed up. now back in normal 1600x1200
[01:29] <dle> mjr: it blinks several time when trying to start.
[01:29] <Hashar> download site on ubuntu.org only point to .iso :(
[01:29] <robust> is it possible to get xorg in ubuntu with the use of apt-get ?
[01:29] <dle> mjr: is there a config utility i could run in the shell?
[01:29] <nimc> ok...
[01:29] <sanitario> Chibi: ah, I see... weirdness...
[01:29] <mjr> nimc, I might have a look at my own 7500 laptop under ubuntu this weekend, might learn something new then
[01:30] <mojo_> good morning every1
[01:30] <nimc> cool...
[01:30] <mojo_> how re u guys today??
[01:30] <Chibi> I've gotten Debian with X onto my 133 pentium. :D
[01:30] <thoreauputic> dle: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:30] <Chibi> With 30 megs of ram.
[01:30] <t17mh> Hashar: I grabbed archive.ubuntu.com warty main restricted universe multiverse... then two others for warty-security and warty-updates
[01:30] <dle> thoreauputic: htanks.
[01:30] <mjr> come to think of it, I'm not even actually sure that 7x00's have support in ubuntu, I just kinda assumed since my 9250 works too ;)
[01:30] <Chibi> It runs rather nice for the circumstances. I might attempt to put ubuntu over it today.
[01:30] <nimc> mjr, there wasn't supposed to be any extra action needed when it's in 800x600 for dri ?
[01:31] <Hashar> t17mh> thanks :) Will try that next week :o)
[01:31] <mjr> nimc, nah. But, there's one more thing. See /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[01:31] <nimc> ok
[01:31] <t17mh> Hashar: np -- if you stick around irc, I'll let you know how mine works out later tonight.
[01:31] <mjr> nimc, and see if there's some mention on why DRI/DRM wouldn't be enabled
[01:32] <mjr> dle, well, you can pretty much edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. Recommend seeing that log I just mentioned too, it might tell you something on why it won't start
[01:32] <nimc> mjr, i dont see anything special there
[01:33] <t17mh> Hashar etc. Okay -- the install is done. I'm going to reboot just to be sure I kill all active processes and see how it goes with the new ubuntu stuff.
[01:33] <Hashar> good luck !
[01:33] <mjr> nimc, hm, just checking, but /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 does have a line saying 'Load    "dri"' in it, doesn't it? :)
[01:34] <dle> mjr: editing the X config file is not likely to be useful to me.  I wouldn't know what to substitute/remove/etc.
[01:34] <nimc> mjr, doesn't seem so
[01:35] <mjr> nimc, ah. I see. This might mean that Ubuntu doesn't actually support it out-of-the-box, but let's try anyway; add, in Section "Module" that line, and also Load "glx" and Load "GLcore"
[01:36] <robust> sorry for asking but how do i search for packets with apt-get ?
[01:36] <mjr> apt-cache search
[01:36] <robust> ok ;=
[01:36] <Chibi> Does anyone have one of those little dot in the middle of your keyboard mice? :o
[01:37] <nimc> mjr, i have glx glcore and dri in xf86config-4 - but not in /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[01:37] <robust> mjr: but that just finds packages that have been installed right? how about things that havent beeen installed ?
[01:37] <mjr> robust, no, it searches the whole database
[01:37] <mjr> (the one that you have apt-get updated)
[01:37] <nimc> mjr, sorry i misread what u said... looked for load dri in the log file.... sorry
[01:37] <mjr> nimc, oh, okay then
[01:38] <robust> so mplayer and centericq doesnt exist .. that's not good ;(
[01:38] <dle> mjr: editing the X config file is not likely to be useful to me.  I wouldn't know what to substitute/remove/etc.
[01:38] <mjr> dle, I don't think there's a useful setup tool in this situation
[01:39] <mjr> dle, you might try to catch some of the nice Ubuntu folk and ask more from them
[01:39] <mjr> or the mailing lists
[01:40] <Lowry> Hi
[01:41] <Lowry> Any ppc users have suggestions for getting dri to work on a powerbook g3?
[01:41] <Lowry> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3723
[01:44] <cef> well, glad I didn't have anything important on that machine I tried upgrading to hoary.. ho hum
[01:45] <rjek> Err, stupid question time: What package are the libc manpages in?
[01:46] <dle> mjr: phooey, the reconfigure didn't help at all.
[01:46] <mjr> well, I did say I didn't think it was that
[01:48] <robust> can someone recommend a command line music player that can handle shoutcast servers ?
[01:48] <robust> that is available in apt-get ofcourse .
[01:49] <discord> can ubuntu use debian packages?
[01:49] <LifesizeKenDoll> discord: yes
[01:49] <LifesizeKenDoll> discord: but it's recommended to use Ubuntu's if available
[01:49] <discord> thanks
[01:49] <NJperson> Can someone help with connecting via dialup. I have a PCMCIA modem that I can connect to an iSP but Firebird, mail, ping, etc  dont work
[01:50] <cef> discord: depends on the depenancies really
[01:50] <discord> oh im having trouble with the nvidia-glx package
[01:50] <discord> it says
[01:50] <discord> To enable the driver, run "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"
[01:50] <discord> which i did
[01:50] <discord> do i need to change XF86-4config myself?
[01:50] <nimc> mjr, do u remember what should be about normal glxgears fps numbers for radeon 7500 with and without dri ? i get 200 fps without dri
[01:51] <cef> discord: no you don't .. did you log out and restart X?
[01:51] <robust> soon i dont feel like playing with ubuntu anymore ... gentoo wait for me ! ;P
[01:51] <discord> yeah
[01:51] <discord> but i didnt see the nvidia logo
[01:51] <dle> mjr: Do you know what the fundamental problem might be?  Is it that the card is just not well supported?
[01:51] <discord> so i dont think its working
[01:51] <discord> well
[01:51] <discord> hmm maybe i didnt log out
[01:51] <discord> brb
[01:51] <cef> discord: did you actually restart X?
[01:51] <jcole> does anyone here have the deb-src entries enabled in sources.list?
[01:53] <parax> hi!
[01:53] <discord> something about glx driver not found
[01:53] <discord> but according to synaptic it is there
[01:53] <cef> hrm... do you have restricted in your sources?
[01:54] <mjr> nimc, I don't, but I'm guessing maybe some 500 with
[01:54] <discord> ?
[01:54] <nimc> ok
[01:54] <parax> a quick question: I will go to upgrade to hoary... what do you recommend me, to use dist-upgrade or simply upgrade? the first one upgrades more packages, but deletes trashapplet and blt-common
[01:54] <mjr> dle, 9200 cards _should_ be well supported and should work out of the box
[01:54] <cef> discord: when you installed nvidia-glx, did you follow the faq?
[01:55] <nimc> mjr, i do see some errors in the log... drmOpenDevice: Open failed
[01:57] <cef> discord: restricted contains stuff that isn't 100% free (eg: the nvidia module).. and without that, you can't run the nvidia driver
[01:58] <discord> i didn't know there was a faq
[01:58] <discord> but i think i installed that restricted yesterday
[01:58] <mjr> dle, though I think it probably won't help, you might try to add to the Device section the line: ChipId    0x5964
[01:58] <discord> let me check
[01:58] <mjr> and restart X
[01:58] <cef> aha.. hold a sec
[01:58] <discord> is their a package for kernel sources
[01:59] <bob2> you don't need the kernel source
[01:59] <cef> do you really need the kernel source?
[01:59] <discord> but is their a package for them
[01:59] <discord> ?
[01:59] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:59] <cef> bob2: thanks
[01:59] <bob2> yes, there is a a package for the kernel source
[01:59] <mjr> nimc, hmh, the dri device node in /dev either doesn't exist or you don't have permissions for it
[01:59] <zenwhen> I compiled the driver for my webcam and insmodded it
[01:59] <zenwhen> and when I plugged it in
[01:59] <zenwhen> it worked
[01:59] <zenwhen> lol
[02:00] <zenwhen> Im boring
[02:00] <zenwhen> ;-;
[02:00] <mjr> nimc, but I shan't at this time speculate further on that
[02:00] <cef> bob2: upgraded my desktop to hoary.. it now fails to boot.. I blame daniels
[02:01] <bob2> cef: hah, worked fine for me, which is lucky for daniels
[02:01] <cef> bob2: grub has lost the kernel.. *sigh*
[02:01] <cef> bob2: and an older kernel cant find the rootfs
[02:01] <discord> where is that package at i could not find the sources last night
[02:01] <Deviled> could somebody tell me which software should i use for get my webcam working? i mean, its found and installed, but i dont know the app-name which i should use.. lol
[02:02] <bob2> cef: hm, that older thing sounds like a initrd issue
[02:02] <bob2> discord: you do not need the kernel source to get the nvidia driver working
[02:02] <bob2> why do people end sentences with "lol"?
[02:03] <cef> Deviled: tried gtkam?
[02:03] <Deviled> bob2, not everytime :)
[02:03] <cef> bob2: the older kernel used to boot though, which is the problem
[02:04] <cef> bob2: oh well.. was thinking of reinstalling anyway. wanna set the drive with lvm
[02:05] <Deviled> cef, "gtkam" is not found, andapt-get knows nothing about apt-get.. :/
[02:05] <Deviled> ahh, i mean about gtkam
[02:05] <bob2> gtkam - GTK+ application for digital still cameras
[02:06] <bob2> it's in universe
[02:06] <cef> ahh.. wrong app anyway
[02:07] <cef> can't remember what the webcam app I used to use was... hrm
[02:10] <wasabi_> So. I'm trying to pin Hoary down, and have Synaptic still work as expected, but im not having much luck.
[02:10] <bluefoxicy> is it yet possible to order LiveCDs?
[02:10] <bluefoxicy> my cd burner is being a bitch
[02:10] <bob2> wasabi_: "pin hoary down"?
[02:10] <bluefoxicy> and I'm low on CDs anyway
[02:10] <bob2> bluefoxicy: the i386 warty cds include a livecd
[02:10] <wasabi_> bob2, using apt pinning. Just like stable/testing
[02:10] <wasabi_> .
[02:10] <wasabi_> bob2, i want updates on currently installed hoary pacakges tracked, but new installs to come from warty
[02:10] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  and they're free?  I have no money :P
[02:10] <Deviled> cef, thx anyway :)
[02:10] <bob2> wasabi_: gah
[02:11] <wasabi_> bob2, yeah.
[02:11] <bob2> bluefoxicy: yes
[02:11] <bob2> wasabi_: well, I don't know if synaptic supports that, but, erm, good luck
[02:11] <wasabi_> bob2, apparently it doesn't. ;)
[02:11] <wasabi_> Since it ain't workin!
[02:12] <bob2> pinning will be fun
[02:12] <bob2> and by fun I mean "going to break"
[02:12] <wasabi_> hehe.
[02:12] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  any recommendation for how many should be ordered at once?  The CDs I understand are relatively cheap, whereas the shipping has significantly (within scope) more cost.  What woud be the most ample balance where the Ubuntu project is not inconvenienced, but where the shipment is not a financial waste due to the abnoxious cost of shipping?
[02:13] <bob2> bluefoxicy: erm, the more you order, the more it costs
[02:13] <bluefoxicy> heh
[02:13] <bob2> bluefoxicy: order as many as you think you need, but I think you might be too late
[02:13] <bob2> orders closed on 12th, iirc
[02:13] <bob2> there might be time, depending on timezones
[02:13] <bluefoxicy> bob2: "Since shipping will often be more than the cost of the CDs, please feel free to request multiple CDs to give away and share with friends."  <-- Just worried about that :)
[02:14] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  I'm not worried right now
[02:14] <bluefoxicy> I'm waiting for Hoary before I do any ordering of anything
[02:14] <bob2> hoary is 5 months away
[02:14] <bluefoxicy> I usually burn liveCDs of gnoppix (which as i understand is now just the Ubuntu Release LiveCD) whenever it comes out; but my CD burner. . well, cdrecord just hangs
[02:15] <bluefoxicy> I've still got ~8 Gnoppix 0.8.1beta5 CDs left to just hand out to random people, and they go very slow :)
[02:15] <bluefoxicy> I only handed 2 out to my Unix class for chrissake.
[02:15] <cef> bob2: yeah re: 12th.. I have no idea if it closed.. I amended my order after the first lot had shipped.. the new lot haven't been marked as shipped yet, so nfi if I'll actually get all the amended cd's
[02:16] <bob2> ah, yeah, it was 12th, so you might have time if you do it now
[02:16] <bob2> cef: ah, right
[02:17] <cef> bob2: yeah re: 12th.. I have no idea if it closed.. I amended my order after the first lot had shipped.. the new lot haven't been marked as shipped yet, so nfi if I'll actually get all the amended cd's
[02:17] <cef> argh!
[02:17] <cef> DAMN UP ARROWS
[02:17] <bob2> hah
[02:17] <cef> later ppl
[02:18] <discord> will i take a preformance hit if i use a smp kernel on a uniprocessor machine?
[02:20] <Matt|> evening. Can someone tell me how to add a command to my window manager startup script, if I am logging in through gdm?
[02:20] <Chibi> Yay!
[02:20] <Chibi> Got the mouse working :D
[02:20] <bob2> discord: yes
[02:21] <discord> the package manager will not let me remove the smp kernel sense i am running it
[02:21] <bob2> Matt|: you can add it to your gnome session, it depends what you're trying to do
[02:21] <bob2> discord: why did you install the smp one to begin with?
[02:21] <bob2> discord: but just select the UP one without removing the other
[02:21] <discord> it must have happened by accident
[02:21] <discord> i did
[02:21] <discord> but
[02:21] <Matt|> bob2, ok i'll explain a bit better. I want to start nautilus when starting my window manager from gdm, in order to use it to draw the desktop
[02:22] <discord> do i need to press a key to have grub let me select the kernel
[02:22] <discord> cause i saw no option to do so
[02:22] <bob2> Matt|: the easiest way is to create a ~/.xsession and run everything from there
[02:22] <Matt|> bob2, that would involve disposing of gdm right?
[02:22] <bob2> Matt|: no
[02:23] <discord> ?
[02:23] <Matt|> discord, normally the escape key
[02:23] <discord> okay
[02:23] <Matt|> discord, you can set a particular kernel as defaul
[02:23] <Matt|> t
[02:23] <discord> i will reboot again
[02:23] <discord> yeah
[02:23] <bob2> Matt|: select the "debian session" or custom or something from gdm
[02:23] <discord> how do i do that
[02:23] <Matt|> bob2, oh i c
[02:23] <bob2> the one that's not named after a wm ;)
[02:23] <Matt|> bob2, i'll give that a try
[02:23] <discord> Matt|
[02:24] <Matt|> discord, you could try running "sudo boot-admin"
[02:24] <Matt|> discord, if not, you'll have to edit your grub configuration file
[02:27] <Matt|> Be RiGhT bAcK
[02:27] <discord> Matt| , is boot-admin a package i have to install?
[02:29] <mirak> my gnome is dead
[02:29] <JanneM> services will be held next friday
[02:29] <lemsx1> mirak, get a midget then
[02:29] <Rene_S> I killed my Gnome last night
[02:29] <Rene_S> I am now on the run in KDE
[02:29] <LifesizeKenDoll> Rene_S: tis an evil beast you toy with
[02:30] <mirak> Rene_S:  me too I installed kde
[02:30] <discord> n/m ill edit the menu.lst file
[02:30] <LifesizeKenDoll> how'd your gnomes die?
[02:30] <Rene_S> I am being Harboured by Mepis until the heats off
[02:30] <mirak> I can't log into gnome but nothing happens
[02:30] <lemsx1> just remove all .gnome* directories and .gconf
[02:30] <mirak> taskbars are empty
[02:30] <mirak> lemsx1: the poor really didsn't make it
[02:30] <lemsx1> .gconf* of course
[02:30] <Rene_S> I did nasty things to mine, installed a bunch of odd things
[02:31] <mirak> lemsx1: that's not enough
[02:31] <lemsx1> mirak, man, that's sad... what does .xsession-erros say?
[02:31] <lemsx1> mirak, ~/.xsession-errors
[02:31] <Rene_S> I am going back to Ubuntu as soon as I wake up a little more
[02:32] <mirak> lemsx1: I don't know
[02:33] <mirak> kde reseted it
[02:33] <mirak> I checked in but I don't remmeber
[02:33] <Rene_S> Think i am gonna stick with Warty too, dunno what happened but everytime  I opened a window all my windows would open and close
[02:33] <lemsx1> mirak, if you kill gdm (/etc/init.d/gdm stop) and then run gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /
[02:33] <lemsx1> mirak, that should effectively make all defaults available
[02:33] <mirak> ok
[02:33] <lemsx1> mirak, kde hurts my eyes
[02:34] <mirak> gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /
[02:34] <mirak> why a / ?
[02:34] <Rene_S> Mine looks like gnome now
[02:34] <mirak> in fact I like both
[02:34] <lemsx1> mirak, / means "the root of the tree"
[02:34] <mirak> what I don't like in gnome is the poor applications menu
[02:34] <lemsx1> mirak, don't worry is not your filesystem :-D just your XML keys
[02:34] <mirak> lemsx1: yes by
[02:34] <Rene_S> Mepis is almost like Ubuntu, only in KDE
[02:34] <mirak> ah ok
[02:35] <lemsx1> mirak, poor? that's in ubuntu. not in vanilla debian
[02:35] <mirak> lemsx1: I don't remember how it is in debian
[02:35] <lemsx1> mirak, in ubuntu you get a newbie's menu (nice, but limited)
[02:35] <mirak> how can I have all the apps ?
[02:36] <lemsx1> mirak, in debian you have the most useful things in the menus and then another menu with everything possible under a special "Debian" submenu (powerful, but cluttered)
[02:36] <Temet> yop
[02:36] <mirak> lemsx1: yes, like in kde
[02:36] <Temet> guys
[02:36] <Rene_S> I get that in Mepis too
[02:36] <lemsx1> mirak, i have no idea how you do this in ubuntu... perhaps if you install gnome 2.8 from Debian :-D
[02:36] <Temet> can someone tell me how can i use "fuser" to know which process is using a file ?
[02:36] <hypa7i1> hey all, i'm trying to use the ubu cd to do a memtest, if it goes straight back to the boot menu (text menu even) when i choose memtest is it safe to say that my ram is shot?
[02:37] <lemsx1> mirak, don't worry too much about those other apps since you might never really launch them
[02:37] <bob2> Temet: fuser -v /path/to/file
[02:37] <hypa7i1> i was hoping it would be a little more informative than just going back to the menu
[02:37] <mirak> lemsx1: I have mixed source with sid ...
[02:37] <Temet> thaks a lot bob2
[02:37] <bob2> hypa7i1: does booting it off a floppy work?
[02:37] <mirak> lemsx1: I am really sure to not launch them if they are not in the menu
[02:37] <Rene_S> Hmm dunno girl, might wanna check that out
[02:38] <visor> do you people have problems with rhythmbox taking too much time to load the songs and build the playlist?
[02:38] <LifesizeKenDoll> visor: mine seems fine, it takes about 5 seconds for 11 gigs
[02:38] <Rene_S> No i dont have anyproblems with rythmbox
[02:38] <hypa7i1> haven't tried that, bob2
[02:38] <hypa7i1> oooh and i am able to boot into the full livecd but it dies after like 2 minutes
[02:39] <lemsx1> mirak, lol. i get your point... ... you might be able to do a simple script that creates a .desktop file for all files in /usr/bin :-) and then put the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications ;-)
[02:40] <hypa7i1> like, gnome loads, i open firefox, i open the terminal, poof, it reboots
[02:40] <visor> LifesizeKenDoll: uhmm then i shall figure it has something to do with either samba or characters in spanish :S
[02:40] <LifesizeKenDoll> visor: how long does it take you?
[02:40] <visor> i had the same once, with some other distros and different versions
[02:41] <visor> LifesizeKenDoll: it had like 10 minutes and it even didnt loaded the half of the music (about 3gb)
[02:41] <LifesizeKenDoll> visor: strange
[02:41] <visor> so i deleted the xml db playlist and tried again, but as i said, i guess it has something to do with special characters in song names maybe
[02:42] <Temet> hey, hi LifesizeKenDoll ! ;)
[02:42] <visor> and i noticed too that when rhythmbox was actually gathering the info and loading the files the cpu gone wild and the laptop felt really really warm, temp got like about 75 degree (celsius)
[02:42] <LifesizeKenDoll> Hey Temet
[02:42] <LifesizeKenDoll> how's it going?
[02:43] <Temet> well, thanks LifesizeKenDoll
[02:43] <LifesizeKenDoll> I didn't compliment you?
[02:43] <visor> but well, totem does it, its just you know, its better to have a playlist, and since xmms wont load music from remote well...
[02:43] <Temet> why are there so many peoples with nicks starting with "life" ?
[02:44] <Temet> that's boring
[02:44] <gen> you're boring
[02:44] <Temet> mdr
[02:44] <LifesizeKenDoll> cause I'm a Lifesize Ken Doll
[02:44] <visor> because they can
[02:44] <Rene_S> BB in a bit gotta re Ubuntu
[02:44] <visor> because.... just because
[02:44] <visor> xD
[02:44] <gen> there are two
[02:44] <gen> how is that a lot?
[02:44] <hypa7i1> hey LifesizeKenDoll i hear barbie dumped you
[02:44] <Temet> lol LifesizeKenDoll , i don't understand what it means
[02:44] <hypa7i1> she's with that surfer dude now
[02:45] <Temet> ahhhhhhh
[02:45] <Temet> Key Doll ....
[02:45] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet: Ken is Barbie's boyfriend
[02:45] <Temet> yep, allright LifesizeKenDoll
[02:45] <LifesizeKenDoll> hey everyone: It's Divorced Barbie - comes with half of Ken's stuff
[02:45] <hypa7i1> not anymore!
[02:45] <hypa7i1> lol
[02:45] <Temet> sorry, I'm not a great fan LifesizeKenDoll
[02:46] <LifesizeKenDoll> neither am I, but whatever
[02:46] <visor> btw i didnt know that there was a .deb of guifications for gaim so if any's interested... you can grab it on guifications.sf.net
[02:46] <visor> it works with ubuntu like a charm
[02:46] <visor> and you dont have to break nor install thousand of deps to have it working
[02:46] <mirak> gnome is crap
[02:47] <visor> yeah, i like crap i guess
[02:47] <visor> brb guys
[02:47] <mirak> it's really dead now
[02:47] <LifesizeKenDoll> I like Gnome
[02:47] <hypa7i1> argh!  this computer is messinated
[02:48] <bob2> an eRezer of love
[02:48] <mirak> I can't log
[02:48] <mirak> it's dead
[02:48] <bluefoxicy> hmm
[02:48] <mirak> I can log in fact
[02:48] <bluefoxicy> I wonder
[02:48] <mirak> but I can't do somthing
[02:48] <Temet> hey LifesizeKenDoll , i have a great plugin for xmms on me FC2 , that allows me to use some keyboard shortcuts. Do you know if it's possible with ubuntu ?
[02:48] <bluefoxicy> Could you get the Debian Installer to use a Gnome interface?
[02:48] <gen> why don't you get the plugin and see
[02:49] <Temet> gen , it's not in synaptic
[02:49] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet: yea it is
[02:49] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet: it's called xmms-itouch
[02:49] <bob2> bluefoxicy: you could get it to use gtkfb
[02:49] <Temet> o_O
[02:49] <gen> oh shit, so if it's not there, it won't be anywhere amirite
[02:49] <Temet> oups
[02:49] <Temet> sorry
[02:49] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  what about full net install?  Only the bare minimum needed for the net installer is there, everything taht can be downloaded is
[02:49] <lemsx1> mirak, what you mean you can login but not do crap?
[02:49] <mirak> yes
[02:49] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet: sudo apt-get install xmms-xf86audio
[02:49] <mirak> I have a up panel with nothing
[02:49] <bob2> bluefoxicy: yes, debian already does that
[02:49] <LifesizeKenDoll> that's the one in apt
[02:50] <bob2> and has for years
[02:50] <mirak> and a bottom panel with just clear the dekstop and kill a window
[02:50] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  Take the Ubuntu LiveCDs, put this on them, have them come up, load Gnome, bring up the Install process, run you through it, begin the install, then background
[02:50] <mirak> kill window doesn't work
[02:50] <lemsx1> once you are login you can, say, switch to CTRL+ALT+F1 and then from a console (logged as yourself): xterm -display :0
[02:50] <Temet> yeah LifesizeKenDoll , i'va got that one, but i can configure it :/
[02:50] <bob2> bluefoxicy: I suppose so
[02:50] <bob2> I really don't get this whole "we have to install from a livecd!" thing
[02:50] <wasabi_> I have yet to get any debian netinstall working how I want it to.
[02:50] <mirak> lemsx1: that won't get me far
[02:50] <wasabi_> Always too much to set up.
[02:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> Computer->Desktop Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts
[02:50] <lemsx1> mirak, my guess is that you are missing tons of stuff
[02:50] <Temet> sorry LifesizeKenDoll , I can't
[02:51] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet: why not?
[02:51] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  Just a passing thought, rather than sitting through the installer, maybe actually boot into a usable system and install leasurely
[02:51] <bob2> wasabi_: that's debian, not anything to do with the netinst side of it
[02:51] <wasabi_> I want to plop the ubuntu cd into the server, run a command which asks me config questions, and have clients work instantly. ;)
[02:51] <lemsx1> mirak, once you have a terminal the possibilities are limitless
[02:51] <Temet> configure button in xmms is not active LifesizeKenDoll
[02:51] <wasabi_> bob2, i mean setup of the net install process.
[02:51] <wasabi_> actually, i know little about d-i
[02:51] <wasabi_> it might be easier.
[02:51] <bob2> a ubuntu netinst would be exactly the same as a cd install, except that it downloads a lot of stuff
[02:51] <mirak> lemsx1: nautilus won't even run
[02:51] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet: on the top menu in gnome
[02:51] <bob2> wasabi_: huh? the netinst install is identical to the cd install
[02:52] <wasabi_> bob2, last I tried debian, i used fai.
[02:52] <wasabi_> and I was very disappointed with it
[02:52] <lemsx1> mirak, from a terminal you can: gconftool2 --recursive-unset /
[02:52] <wasabi_> bob2, need unattended.
[02:52] <mirak> lemsx1: I have don it it won't gelp
[02:52] <bob2> ok
[02:52] <LifesizeKenDoll> Temet: `gnome-keybinding-properties`
[02:52] <Temet> lol
[02:52] <Temet> oki
[02:52] <lemsx1> mirak, then you can call nautilus from the terminal also: nautilus
[02:52] <Temet> wait a minute
[02:52] <Temet> lol
[02:52] <mirak> lemsx1: and I can't run nautilus even in kde
[02:52] <mirak> without nautilus you can't do much in gnome
[02:52] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  yes, it would; except that also you don't need a big CD full of installation data.  I prefer the concept of LiveCD with Installation Process available so the user can keep one CD around.
[02:53] <mirak> lemsx1: nautilus don't work
[02:53] <bob2> bluefoxicy: ok
[02:53] <lemsx1> mirak, you have to first get to gnome (gnome-session) and then from a session you will be able to fix gnome completely... don't worry too much... its simple
[02:53] <wasabi_> bluefoxicy, you'd have to package the software on one CD twice. Once as packages for the install, and again for the bootable os.
[02:53] <bluefoxicy> wasabi:  net install.
[02:53] <wasabi_> oh. it can already do that.
[02:53] <lemsx1> mirak, get to gnome, open a terminal, open xchat (xchat &) and then talk from there
[02:53] <bob2> wasabi_: no, the install packages are downloaded
[02:53] <wasabi_> well, i assumed he wanted more than it already did. :0
[02:54] <bob2> the livecd has no installer
[02:54] <wasabi_> it don't? how sad.
[02:54] <bob2> it's a livecd
[02:55] <bob2> if you want to install, you use the install cd
[02:55] <bluefoxicy> Imagine that the Ubuntu LiveCDs gave two main:  "Ubuntu LiveCD," "Ubuntu Installer."  The Ubuntu Installer would be a Curses (or X11 if you fancy) Debian-Installer doing Net-install; while the "Ubuntu LiveCD" would be a LiveCD from which you could either do liveCD things or run a GUI based Debian-Installer.
[02:55] <bluefoxicy> One CD to download and keep track for both needs, plus the ability to kick off the install and then go google for shit
[02:55] <gen> uhm
[02:55] <bluefoxicy> if you have a problem in the install, you can get right into the IRC channel or read the Wiki
[02:55] <hypa7i1> i personally am pretty happy having separate ones
[02:55] <gen> as am i
[02:56] <mirak> I am back
[02:56] <lemsx1> mirak, from gnome-session now?
[02:56] <Adrenal> how do i install evolution version 2
[02:56] <lemsx1> mirak, kill the panel: pkill gnome-panel
[02:56] <Adrenal> cos the command on the website won't work
[02:56] <wasabi_> I thought warty came with evo 2.
[02:56] <bob2> Adrenal: "won't work"?
[02:56] <Adrenal> no rpm
[02:57] <Adrenal> in ubuntu
[02:57] <bob2> Adrenal: lordy
[02:57] <wasabi_> oh jeeze.
[02:57] <gen> you are lost adrenal
[02:57] <bob2> Adrenal: evolution in warty is version 2.0, and is installed by default
[02:57] <Adrenal> its a download command
[02:57] <bob2> you already have it
[02:57] <Adrenal> no
[02:57] <bob2> yes
[02:57] <Adrenal> its 1.5
[02:57] <Adrenal> and i want the sweet fedora one
[02:57] <bob2> /mnt/pool/main/e/evolution/evolution_2.0.2-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[02:57] <Adrenal> with weather and what not
[02:57] <bob2> that's from my ubuntu cd
[02:57] <Adrenal> ic
[02:58] <wasabi_> and um.
[02:58] <Adrenal> nooe
[02:58] <Adrenal> not on mine
[02:58] <wasabi_> don't immediatly try to install rpm's on ubuntu.
[02:58] <wasabi_> unless you know what you're doing.
[02:58] <mirak> lemsx1: then ?
[02:58] <bluefoxicy> hypa7i1, gen:  Alright, but consider the LiveCD just being augmented.  It would gain possibly 20-40M in its image size, correct?  This could be ignored if you prefer a separate CD (you may want to just download the 20-40M netinstall CD for example, or you may want CD based installs); but it would follow the "Swiss Army Knife" philosophy: you may just be interested in a knife, but there's a saw and a screwdriver there if you need
[02:58] <bluefoxicy> it.
[02:58] <lemsx1> mirak, k, did the panels came back? if so, try adding things to it (like the Gnome menu)
[02:58] <Adrenal> even on the datebase for synaptic
[02:58] <Adrenal> its only the 1.5 install
[02:59] <wasabi_> Adrenal, dpkg -l evolution
[02:59] <lemsx1> mirak, also, try launching gnome-terminal (since that has tabs)
[02:59] <mirak> lemsx1: the panels where already present
[02:59] <Adrenal> oh, i c, it is the 2 version
[02:59] <bluefoxicy> the two questions here are, 1.  Is this easy to implement; and 2.  is the trade-off (size of the LiveCD increases, and somebody has to do this) worth the benefits?
[02:59] <wasabi_> uh huh
[02:59] <mirak> but I can't do anything on them
[02:59] <Adrenal> but how do i make it like the fedora version
[02:59] <Adrenal> with weather and what not?
[02:59] <wasabi_> what does that mean.
[03:00] <bob2> bluefoxicy: are you offering to implement it?
[03:00] <bob2> Adrenal: use fedora
[03:00] <lemsx1> mirak, the panels are "hunged up" ?
[03:00] <bluefoxicy> bob2:  no, just getting the idea out and bouncing it off your heads :P
[03:00] <bob2> if that's all you care about, just use fedora
[03:00] <lemsx1> mirak, if you click on them, they don't work
[03:00] <Adrenal> no, i prefer ubuntu
[03:00] <Adrenal> fixes dependiecies atomatically etc
[03:00] <bob2> Adrenal: well, then use ubuntu's evolution
[03:01] <bob2> Adrenal: it is possible to install rpms, but you will break things
[03:01] <Adrenal> but is there anyway to make eolution like fedora's?
[03:01] <hypa7i1> bob2, Adrenal, you can do weather in ubu Evolution
[03:01] <lemsx1> mirak, what was the last thing you did before this happen? did you mismatch libraries or something?
[03:01] <mirak> lemsx1: no they don't
[03:01] <hypa7i1> they're just rss feeds
[03:01] <bob2> hypa7i1: hah, I thought so
[03:01] <Adrenal> i relised that
[03:01] <mirak> lemsx1: I don't know
[03:01] <lemsx1> mirak, like, did you use binaries from two different repositories
[03:01] <mirak> lemsx1: I add the same problem on mandrake
[03:01] <Adrenal> meh, i'll try it myself
[03:01] <mirak> lemsx1: yes but I add this problem on mandrake also
[03:01] <lemsx1> mirak, are you using the same $HOME as when you had mandrake?
[03:01] <gen> Do you guys know of anyway to check hotmail via thunderbird
[03:01] <mirak> lemsx1: yes, but I removed .kde and .gnome stuffs
[03:02] <hypa7i1> may i msg you bob2?
[03:02] <lemsx1> gen, you can use a proxy
[03:02] <bob2> hypa7i1: er, ok...
[03:02] <gen> didn't think of that
[03:02] <mirak> that's a gnome bug
[03:02] <gen> only way?
[03:02] <lemsx1> mirak, that might not be enough, you still need to remove other things like: .gtkrc's and what have you
[03:02] <mirak> I have heard somebody saying he have this problem
[03:02] <mirak> lemsx1: I have removed it
[03:02] <lemsx1> mirak, that's not a bug. that's a problem with your installation
[03:02] <bob2> gen: there are some packages in debian that let you access hotmail like a pop3 account
[03:02] <bob2> gen: you could set one of them up
[03:03] <gen> packages such as..
[03:03] <lemsx1> mirak, why don't you try moving your $HOME to other place, say mv /home/mirak /home/mirak2
[03:03] <mirak> lemsx1: I tried creating another user and log in it and result is the same : gnome is dead
[03:03] <mirak> living dead
[03:03] <bob2> gen: such as the oens found by "apt-cache search hotmail"
[03:03] <lemsx1> mirak, and then re-create your $HOME and leave it blank :-)
[03:04] <mirak> I have tried with a new user, what I can I do more ?
[03:04] <gen> thank you bob
[03:04] <lemsx1> mirak, that's not enough. you need to be able to login with a user tha thas a blank directory
[03:05] <lemsx1> mirak, your /etc/skel might be messed up also
[03:05] <lemsx1> mirak, /etc/skel gets copied to e/a new user $HOME dir
[03:05] <mirak> lemsx1: lemsx1 a new user nececarily have a blanck folder
[03:05] <Lowry>  any ppc users have ocr suggestions?
[03:05] <lemsx1> mirak, not true
[03:06] <mirak> lemsx1: so what do I do with skel stuff ?
[03:06] <lemsx1> mirak, did you create the new user using an application? say adduser, useradd, or whatever? then it's not blank
[03:06] <lemsx1> mirak, first things first. rule out that with a blank dir you can login fine
[03:07] <mirak> lemsx1: mmm I am thinkin to something, maybe my PATH is not set up corectly
[03:08] <lemsx1> mirak, if you messed up gdm.conf's PATH, that's possible... also your /etc/profile
[03:08] <lemsx1> mirak, you should NEVER touch those files
[03:08] <lemsx1> what do you get from echo $PATH ?
[03:08] <Temet> oki LifesizeKenDoll , i had a trouble with a f*cking key that didn't want to configure!
[03:08] <lemsx1> mirak, /bin and /usr/bin should be there
[03:08] <Matt|> hi there. I've just installed icewm and there are a couple of problems. Can you guys help me with it? Prob 1 is that the logout command does not work. Prob 2 is that the icons have disappeared from nautilus.
[03:08] <mirak> /home/karim/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[03:09] <lemsx1> mirak, also, gdm.conf define's a path for gnome's binaries
[03:09] <lemsx1> mirak, that's fine
[03:10] <lemsx1> mirak, mv yoru home dir /home/karim to karim2, recreate karim (mkdir karim; chmod 0700 karim; chown karim:users karim) and
[03:10] <Temet> LifesizeKenDoll , do you know how to modify the $PATH except by modifying .bashrc?
[03:10] <lemsx1> mirak, and then re-login
[03:12] <Matt|> hi there. I've just installed icewm and there are a couple of problems. Can you guys help me with it? Prob 1 is that the logout command does not work. Prob 2 is that the icons have disappeared from nautilus.
[03:15] <Xenguy> If I want to try installing Ubu on an older box, and in case it becomes necessary, how easy would it be to ditch Gnome and substitute a leaner WM like, say, windowmaker?
[03:15] <Matt|> Xenguy, that is what i have done too
[03:15] <Matt|> Xenguy, not too difficult
[03:16] <Burgundavia> Xenguy: how old is the box?
[03:16] <Xenguy> Matt|: can you offer any tips on an easy method then?
[03:16] <bob2> remember that things other than gnome have less magic
[03:16] <Matt|> Xenguy, just install the pacakges no problem
[03:16] <bob2> like automounting and such won't work
[03:16] <Xenguy> Burgundavia: it' a pentium 233 I think
[03:16] <Matt|> less magic *laughs*
[03:16] <Burgundavia> Xenguy: ouch
[03:16] <Xenguy> Burgundavia: hehe
[03:17] <Burgundavia> Xenguy: I have a Duron 750, and I have no problems with Gnome, but your 233 might
[03:17] <Matt|> bob2, do you have any suggestions for those 2 problems i'm having ^^ ??
[03:17] <Xenguy> Burgundavia: I have debian with wmaker on it now, and it actually works for my wife (she's a student ATM)
[03:17] <bob2> Matt|: no, sorry
[03:17] <Matt|> bob2, k
[03:18] <Matt|> bob2, i reckon the logout button not working must be a bug
[03:18] <bob2> sounds like it
[03:18] <bob2> depending on how you started things in ~/.xsession
[03:18] <Matt|> bob2, icewm-session
[03:18] <bob2> that's all?
[03:18] <Xenguy> Matt|: so how do you 'deactivate' Gnome -- just 'apt-get uninstall gnome', or ... ?
[03:18] <Matt|> bob2,
[03:18] <Matt|> matt@kallisto:~ $ cat .xsession
[03:18] <Matt|> xscreensaver &
[03:18] <Matt|> nautilus -n &
[03:18] <Matt|> icewm-session
[03:19] <Matt|> Xenguy, you can leave gnome on if you like
[03:19] <Matt|> Xenguy, just select a different window manager when you log on
[03:20] <zez_> This is a new problem for me.  since I installed the fglrx drivers, my screen is too tall for my display
[03:20] <bob2> use your monitor controls to adjust it
[03:20] <Xenguy> Matt|: I'm not clear on your method, but I'll figure it out, if and when I have to
[03:20] <zez_> bob2: thats not the problem
[03:21] <zez_> if I mouse up and down, the screen scrolls so I can see it all
[03:21] <Matt|> bob2, that .xsession looks ok to you?
[03:21] <bob2> yeah
[03:21] <bob2> tho I've never run nautilus outside gnome
[03:21] <Matt|> Xenguy, when you boot, you get a login screen. From that screen you can choose which desktop environment to use
[03:21] <Matt|> bob2, me neither :)
[03:22] <bob2> heh
[03:22] <Xenguy> Matt|: hrm, sounds good -- I didn't know that option existed.  Thanks :-)
[03:22] <Matt|> bob2, it's nice because I can get transparency in my terminal and xchat if I use nautilus to draw the desktop
[03:22] <bob2> ah, right
[03:22] <bob2> you can use Esetroot for that, too
[03:22] <Matt|> hmm maybe better
[03:23] <Matt|> but i'll stick with it for now
[03:23] <Matt|> it can't be the cause of the logout problem
[03:23] <bob2> no filemanager, of course
[03:23] <Matt|> is icewm supported by ubuntu?
[03:24] <Matt|> maybe i can't even file a bug
[03:24] <bob2> no, it's in universe
[03:24] <Matt|> bah
[03:25] <Matt|> bob2, does that mean there might be a debian bug on this?
[03:25] <bob2> there might be
[03:26] <Matt|> wtf
[03:26] <Matt|> where is debian bugzilla
[03:26] <bob2> bugs.debian.org/icewm
[03:26] <lemsx1> mirak, any good news?
[03:27] <bob2> debian's bts is love
[03:27] <moosehead> ne1 want to help a newbie setup an airport card on a powerbook???
[03:27] <hypa7ia> moosehead: airport or airport extreme?
[03:27] <mirak> lemsx1:
[03:27] <moosehead> airport
[03:27] <mirak> I am in gnome
[03:27] <Matt|> mirak, did you cure your xserver?
[03:27] <mirak> I removed .bash_profile
[03:27] <mirak> I don't know why this file is a problem, I never modified it
[03:27] <mike_douglas> hey, I've upgraded to Hoary, and following the guide on the wiki, I changed my locale to a UTF-8 one. Now I'm getting a bunch of warnings like: locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[03:27] <mirak> Matt|: I put back xfree86
[03:28] <mirak> but I failed to make work xorg
[03:28] <lemsx1> mirak, you simply removed .bash_profile and it worked?
[03:28] <mirak> lemsx1: yes
[03:28] <lemsx1> mirak, i guess some wrong variable being setup from that?
[03:28] <bob2> mirak: did you generate the locale?
[03:28] <lemsx1> mirak, so no Gnome bug after all uh?
[03:28] <hypa7ia> moosehead: doesn't autodetect?
[03:28] <mirak> mmm bob2 wich locale ?
[03:29] <bob2> erk, sorry, not you
[03:29] <bob2> mike_douglas: did you ghenerate the locale?
[03:29] <Matt|> *grins*
[03:29] <moosehead> I just installed the card. ubuntu was already installed
[03:29] <Matt|> bob2, can't see a bug there
[03:29] <Matt|> must be something wrong with me
[03:30] <hypa7ia> mooshead, can you paste your lspci to me?
[03:30] <mirak> bob2: what are the locale ?
[03:30] <mike_douglas> bob2: ya
[03:31] <Matt|> i'm off to bed
[03:31] <Matt|> i'll sort it out another time
[03:31] <Matt|> nite nite
[03:31] <lemsx1> mirak, locales are the translation for programs. that was for somebody else
[03:35] <mirak> lemsx1: how can I know what is wrong in .bash_profile ?
[03:36] <lemsx1> cat it here
[03:37] <lemsx1> cat .bash_profile_old > xchat :-)
[03:37] <lemsx1> put it somewhere or put the whole thing in #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:38] <lemsx1> to cut the noise here a bit :-)
[03:42] <Cyzada> hey
[03:42] <Cyzada> I have a problem with my install... anyone willing to help plz?
[03:42] <lemsx1> Cyzada, post your problem
[03:42] <hypa7ia> sure Cyzada, ask away
[03:42] <zenwhen> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/13/0036243&tid=133&tid=201&tid=109&tid=1
[03:43] <lemsx1> Cyzada, you will find an "hear"
[03:43] <hypa7ia> zenwhen: awesome, eh?
[03:43] <zenwhen> ya
[03:43] <zenwhen> hopefully they will be sued hard
[03:43] <hypa7ia> i <3 the broken windows icon
[03:43] <hypa7ia> seriously :-)
[03:43] <lemsx1> zenwhen, what's soundforge? gpl app?
[03:43] <Cyzada> Well... when I start it up... it says that the XServer could not start because of an invalid config and it just leaves me at a command line I can't even use...
[03:44] <hypa7ia> lemsx1: worse, proprietary
[03:44] <lemsx1> hypa7ia, oh lord
[03:44] <hypa7ia> Cyzada: is it saying invalid or wrong permissions?
[03:44] <Cyzada> invalid
[03:44] <hypa7ia> lemsx1: yeah, eh.  chickens, home, roost, all that
[03:44] <zenwhen> lemsx1, no
[03:45] <zenwhen> commercial audio editing app
[03:45] <hypa7ia> Cyzada: darn.  because i know how to fix the permissions from the command line :-/
[03:45] <Cyzada> hmm.. can you teach me that so I can try it?
[03:46] <hypa7ia> well, if the error message didn't involve ICEauthority then it's got nothing to do with my fix :-/
[03:46] <Cyzada> oh, dam
[03:47] <hypa7ia> yeah:-/
[03:47] <hypa7ia> anyone else know about x config errors?
[03:47] <Cyzada> brb, I'll reboot and copy down the exact message
[03:47] <hypa7ia> okay
[03:48] <r3> does the default install CD include gcc?
[03:48] <hypa7ia> no, r3
[03:49] <hypa7ia> i think it may be on the cd, but it's not included by default
[03:52] <electricsheepdre> for some reason I can't see the side pane in nautilus
[03:53] <electricsheepdre> the help file says to select view > side pane
[03:53] <electricsheepdre> but there is no side pane option under view, or anywhere else that I can see
[03:53] <wasabi_> Browse mode.
[03:53] <visor> electricsheepdre: browse mode
[03:53] <Cyzada> k, it says "We cannot seem to start the X Server (your graphical interface). This is most likely because it is not configured properly." then some stuff and it tells me its temporarily disabled the X server... before that when its booting up tho... it does say something about Permission Denied
[03:54] <hypa7ia> what file is permission denied?
[03:54] <Cyzada> dunno... want me to restart and check?
[03:54] <electricsheepdre> how to I set it to browse mode?
[03:54] <Cyzada> it passes really quick tho...
[03:55] <hypa7ia> hmm, Cyzada, was it XFree86 something?
[03:56] <Cyzada> yea
[03:56] <electricsheepdre> how to I set nautilus to browse mode?
[03:56] <hypa7ia> okay, i'll msg with how to fix the permissions issue in text mode :-)
[03:56] <Cyzada> kk :)
[03:57] <r3> ok, found gcc .deb file on CD.  how do i install?
[03:57] <hypa7ia> r3: are you in gnome?
[03:58] <r3> yep
[03:58] <GammaRay> electricsheepdre: the prefs
[03:59] <robust> does someone know how toget a mx1000 mouse to work in ubunuty ?
[03:59] <robust> ubuntu .. sorry
[04:00] <GammaRay> why.. I otta knock your An introduction to Unix designed for students who will continue on in the Unix series or who will need to use Unix after transferring to a four-year institution.
[04:00] <mirak> lemsx1: thanks
[04:00] <GammaRay> Topics include:
[04:00] <GammaRay> damn
[04:00] <mirak> you were the right person
[04:00] <mirak> lemsx1: but this problems comes from ubuntu, not the users
[04:00] <mirak> I didnt not changed
[04:02] <hypa7ia> r3: sorry to disappear there.  you should be able to install it with synaptics
[04:02] <hypa7ia> lemme find the right package
[04:02] <lemsx1> mirak, ?
[04:02] <lemsx1> mirak, no problem
[04:02] <hypa7ia> r3: install build-essential
[04:03] <lemsx1> mirak, perhaps remainder files from mandrake (yikes!)
[04:03] <Lowry> I have an ati rage mach64 card on a PPC g3 bronze
[04:03] <lemsx1> mirak, i had a million problems with mdk also
[04:03] <hypa7ia> robust: there should be logitech drivers for it around
[04:03] <Lowry> XFree86-DRI is missing
[04:03] <hypa7ia> google your model and linux :-)
[04:04] <Lowry> Can I install it?
[04:04] <encryptio> reinstallation complete
[04:04] <robust> hypa7ia: according to some people in the gentoo forum it shouldnt need any special drivers to work ;/
[04:04] <r3> i don't even appear to have synaptics installed.  heh.
[04:04] <hypa7ia> hmm, then maybe go through the x config and redo it
[04:04] <hypa7ia> r3: computer -> system -> synaptics
[04:05] <hypa7ia> robust: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:05] <Lowry> Ye/No/mb?
[04:05] <hypa7ia> robust: backup your f config first tho
[04:05] <robust> omg !!
[04:05] <hypa7ia> whatwhat?
[04:05] <robust> what a fucking noob i am.. there was an little on/off switch on the bottom of the mouse
[04:06] <hypa7ia> LOL
[04:06] <robust> ;>>
[04:06] <robust> it's 03.00 here .. so im tired ok ? ;>
[04:06] <hypa7ia> hey, i did that earlier, monitor wasn't plugged in :-)
[04:06] <hypa7ia> "why's it not booting"?
[04:06] <encryptio> i forgot my ethernet cable
[04:06] <robust> hehe ..
[04:06] <hypa7ia> lol
[04:07] <robust> i'll be back.. im going to start everything in x instead
[04:07] <hypa7ia> in our hearts, even the most leet of us are noobs.
[04:08] <lemsx1> encryptio, what happened??
[04:08] <encryptio> xorg rendered my system useless...
[04:08] <lemsx1> encryptio, :-D that's why it's better installed from source to /usr/local/xorg :-D
[04:08] <encryptio> and my "leetness" made me unable to enable wireless in single user mode, so i was unable to recover anything
[04:09] <encryptio> damn you
[04:09] <lemsx1> encryptio, lol
[04:09] <jind> single user mode does not support networking :P
[04:09] <lemsx1> encryptio, i mean, i thought ubuntu dev's got the packages down
[04:09] <ben_> yay
[04:09] <lemsx1> encryptio, debian people are still trying to packge it
[04:09] <encryptio> not in powerpc, apparently
[04:09] <ben_> i built an antenna (sp?) for my wireless hub
[04:10] <ben_> and now i can get a signal in my room
[04:10] <ben_> yay
[04:10] <ben_> go me
[04:10] <lemsx1> encryptio, ohhhh, ppc is always "special"
[04:10] <lemsx1> encryptio, in ppc use macos x :-D
[04:10] <encryptio> yeah...
[04:10] <lemsx1> encryptio, or gentoo
[04:10] <r3> hypa7ia:  thanks for the help
[04:10] <burntash> i just installed ubuntu on my ibook
[04:10] <encryptio> gentoo... gawd
[04:10] <lemsx1> encryptio, i'm a mac user. i know your feelings :-)
[04:10] <encryptio> i couldn't get it to boot
[04:10] <encryptio> i already tried.. and failed
[04:10] <lemsx1> encryptio, gentoo???
[04:10] <hypa7ia> np r3 :-)
[04:11] <burntash> its runnin great, cept my apple key doesnt bring up the menus that you should get from right clicking
[04:11] <lemsx1> encryptio, good lord... you need help
[04:11] <burntash> and the cdplayer wont get any sound even though every other app does
[04:11] <burntash> :(
[04:11] <burntash> anyone experience this?
[04:11] <encryptio> burntash: F12
[04:11] <hypa7ia> burntash: try using the kb config tool
[04:11] <Gwildor> guys, i just upgraded to hoary (and installed gamin), then restarted to be sure all was still good, and i have a question about xfree86, err, xorg, i really am not sure, can any one help
[04:11] <burntash> ah Fn-F12 thanks
[04:11] <encryptio> heh
[04:11] <encryptio> yeah
[04:11] <burntash> do you know about the cd issue?
[04:12] <encryptio> it's called "3 button emulation" (F11 is middle click)
[04:12] <encryptio> nope, never tried to "play" a cd. only rip them
[04:12] <Lowry> Time to spin up? on your ibook?
[04:12] <Lowry> Or not working?
[04:13] <burntash> i put a cd in and the cdplayer opens and plays, but i get no sound from it
[04:13] <encryptio> oh, that.
[04:13] <Gwildor> burntash, dont that happen on all macs?
[04:13] <encryptio> yeah, i had that on yellowdog
[04:13] <encryptio> never fixed it... but it plays in xmms fine
[04:13] <lemsx1> Gwildor, what's your prob?
[04:13] <Gwildor> burntash, i think you just need to use something other thatn CDPLAYER, to listen to it
[04:13] <burntash> so far this is running better than genpoo
[04:14] <burntash> havent tried yd4.0 yet
[04:14] <Lowry> Tried Mandrake 10.1 ppc?
[04:14] <Lowry> With firewire booting?
[04:14] <burntash> nope, havent been much of a mandy fan
[04:14] <Gwildor> lemsxl, i am not sure if i am using xorg or xfree gut since i updated to hoary glxgears gives a new strange message
[04:15] <Gwildor> lemsx1, can i paste to you?
[04:15] <GammaRay> burntash: mandy?
[04:15] <mirak> is there a way to have nautilus always in --browse mode ?
[04:15] <lemsx1> Gwildor, cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf  :-)
[04:15] <burntash> GammaRay, mandrake
[04:15] <lemsx1> Gwildor, go ahead
[04:15] <Gwildor> lemsx1, what do i do there
[04:15] <lemsx1> mirak, go to Preferences and set nautilus to always use browser mode
[04:16] <GammaRay> burntash: yea.. but where did you get "mandy"? :-P
[04:16] <lemsx1> mirak, or go to latinomixed.com and search for that, i put an article their when 2.6 came out
[04:16] <burntash> GammaRay, i dunno, just heard people sayin it for short, like slack :P
[04:16] <lemsx1> mirak, in spanish, but you only need to know the gconf keys
[04:16] <Gwildor> lemsx1, search for .....?
[04:16] <burntash> ill plug that slackware is the shit btw =P~~
[04:16] <mirak> lemsx1: I alaways forget where is this option :p
[04:17] <GammaRay> burntash: terrible.. just terrible
[04:17] <burntash> hehe sorry
[04:17] <GammaRay> burntash: mdk is all I have heard
[04:17] <burntash> synaptic is pretty sweet
[04:17] <lemsx1> Gwildor, that was for mirak. to search for "nautilus spatial"
[04:18] <lemsx1> Gwildor, what video card/driver you have?
[04:18] <Gwildor> lemsxl, mirak, i just realized that, im still not used to being Gwildor, sorry mirak
[04:18] <mirak> Gwildor: ah yes it's you, I had forgotten
[04:19] <lemsx1> Gwildor, lol... that's odd
[04:19] <GammaRay> burntash: would be nice if you could search and apply filters though
[04:19] <mirak> how can I have a full of applications gnome menu ?
[04:20] <Gwildor> lemsx1, i used to be called MIRAK but it is the mirak that is here now's name, i had to switch, sorry mirak
[04:20] <hypa7ia> burntash: http://www.eghetto.ca/~msviolet/Humour/gentoo.jpg
[04:20] <lemsx1> Gwildor, ahhh, ok... np
[04:21] <lemsx1> mirak, to get a "full" menu depends on what you want to see there...
[04:21] <burntash> hypa7ia: thats pretty much head on
[04:21] <lemsx1> mirak, if you really want to start tweaking the menu, use vanilla debian's gnome packages....
[04:22] <hypa7ia> i know eh burntash
[04:22] <GammaRay> it's pretty simple to edit the stock menu
[04:22] <hypa7ia> i lost a day of my life to gentoo.  that's a day i'll never get back :-(
[04:23] <burntash> but theres a day you installed ubuntu, a day youll never forget
[04:23] <GammaRay> uh-huh
[04:23] <burntash> lets see how she handles the pr0n
[04:23] <GammaRay> sea food?
[04:24] <burntash> =(
[04:25] <hypa7ia> burntash: might need some codecs for your pr0n viewing
[04:25] <burntash> some you might need the beer goggle codec
[04:26] <usual> i am drunk
[04:26] <usual> speaking of beer
[04:26] <burntash> i got drunk last night, playin Circle of Death
[04:26] <burntash> thats one of the best drinking games ive learned at college yet
[04:26] <usual> i like mexican
[04:27] <GammaRay> ever play infinate loop?
[04:27] <GammaRay> not fun
[04:27] <usual> no
[04:27] <burntash> usual: just dont hit rm -rf
[04:27] <usual> heh
[04:28] <burntash> hm runnin gnome-cd doesnt spit out any errors while i play, still get no sound though
[04:28] <kensai> where is the atke screenshot app in Hoary. Is it removed because of gnome 2.9.1?
[04:29] <kensai> take*
[04:29] <mirak> lemsx1: wich package ?
[04:29] <GammaRay> burntash: missing the analog cable?
[04:29] <ubuntu-geek> kensai: i think its moved to gnome-utils in 2.9.1 and i think i heard someone mention that isnt out yet..
[04:29] <burntash> what analog cable, this is a laptop
[04:29] <GammaRay> hmm ic
[04:29] <burntash> ya, ibook g4
[04:30] <kensai> ubuntu-geek: Now you answered why whne I hit print screen in my keyboard it says there is no app for this
[04:31] <burntash> gnome-cd you suck
[04:32] <GammaRay> burntash: take a look at the last patch on this page http://www.geekounet.org/patches/
[04:32] <kensai> I saw in a new that debian developers are looking to ubuntu to see how they can improve debian. I think the two cooperate and compliment eachother.
[04:33] <GammaRay> burntash: if that has been merged into gnome-cd, you might have to recompile w/ support
[04:33] <lemsx1> mirak, what do you mean which package??
[04:33] <hypa7ia> kensai: yeah, ubu is feeding patches back into debian
[04:34] <lemsx1> mirak, i meant the gnome packages (plural) from debian's experimental repository
[04:34] <burntash> GammaRay: how would i do that with synaptic
[04:34] <lemsx1> mirak, i use them everyday in all my work stations ... they are not unstable at all. just not allowed to go into unstable or testing for now
[04:34] <kensai> hypa7ia: this is going to be good for both as debian will be one of the best distros now for newbies also.
[04:35] <hypa7ia> yupyup kensai
[04:35] <mirak> lemsx1: ok I will test that tomorrow
[04:35] <mirak> good night
[04:37] <GammaRay> burntash: not sure.. but on teh command line something like this:
[04:37] <lemsx1> mirak, no problem...
[04:37] <lemsx1> mirak, night?
[04:37] <GammaRay> burntash: apt-get source gnome-cd; cd gnome-cd*/; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b
[04:37] <kensai> maybe there is not much change from RC to Firefox Final
[04:37] <GammaRay> burntash: you would have to chnage the ./configure option somewhere in there and perhaps patch the source
[04:38] <GammaRay> burntash: I'm not really sure how to the do the former
[04:38] <burntash> hm
[04:39] <kensai> anybody has used metadistros in Ubuntu?
[04:39] <Chibi> metadistros? o.o
[04:39] <kensai> Chibi: it is for creating distributions
[04:39] <Chibi> Oh. I thought you meant something else. :P
[04:40] <kensai> Chibi: ;)
[04:40] <Chibi> Because my laptop is running Slackware and Ubuntu on the same partition. :o
[04:40] <kensai> Chibi: which your liking more? I have used slackware
[04:41] <Lowry> I have found this re mach64 and dri on powerbook g3's http://www.geekounet.org/powerbook/driplusxv.html
[04:41] <Chibi> Slackware was my very first, I always fall back to it. Ubuntu is looking to change that.
[04:41] <burntash> slack :)
[04:41] <Lowry> How old/new/useful is the info?
[04:41] <kensai> Chibi: Kool
[04:42] <Chibi> My previous gripes with Debian have been kernel compiles/easy breakage
[04:42] <Chibi> Haven't had that problem with ubuntu.
[04:43] <Lowry> Would adding "DMAMode"       "mmio" to the XF86Config-4 file help/work?
[04:43] <burntash> hm xmms isnt playing my cd either
[04:43] <burntash> shitballs, no player will get sound from it
[04:43] <kensai> Chibi: are you in warty or hoary?
[04:43] <Chibi> Hoary.
[04:43] <Lowry> Or do I need the DRI cvs mach64-branch?
[04:44] <kensai> Chibi: Good decision ;)
[04:44] <Chibi> All distros I use, I always use the bleeding edge. :P
[04:45] <GammaRay> nothing ever working is boring
[04:45] <Chibi> Oh, I never have that problem :P
[04:45] <Chibi> Slackware and Ubuntu have fairly stable currents.
[04:45] <kensai> I have that problem sometimes that's what makes it interesting
[04:45] <Chibi> Hotplug.
[04:45] <Chibi> Don't update hotplug.
[04:46] <kensai> Chibi: I always do
[04:46] <Chibi> Don't! o.o
[04:46] <Chibi> It's very broken-prone.
[04:47] <kensai> Chibi: I always do until something bad happens to me and I loose everything :)
[04:47] <Chibi> Hotplug is a very critical thing to break, though. :/
[04:48] <kensai> yeah
[04:48] <Chibi> I have it locked, and intend to keep it that way. No network=hard to recover.
[04:48] <kensai> Chibi: hehe
[04:49] <kensai> I'm looking for a distro to customize right now and make one of my own, I have installed 3 distros today in my second HDD ;)
[04:49] <Chibi> Slackware!
[04:49] <kensai> none of them I liked
[04:50] <Chibi> Slackware is the ultimate start. :P
[04:50] <GammaRay> ubuntu?
[04:50] <GammaRay> mandrake (-;
[04:50] <kensai> I can't get eth0 to work in slackware
[04:50] <Chibi> 10?
[04:50] <kensai> and ubuntu is too great for me to base something on it I respect it ;)
[04:51] <Chibi> Try resetting your modem once. Your dhcp cert might not have expired. I had to do that when I did debian off the net.
[04:52] <kensai> Ohh
[04:52] <kensai> I'll search for the slackware 10 cds
[04:53] <GammaRay> when I shut down, instead of powering off I get the message "power down". How do I fix that?
[04:55] <Lowry> Why would my lcd screen be "Generic Monitor" and not "powerbook g3 lcd"?
[04:56] <sladen> Lowry: you can rename if you want
[04:56] <Chibi> All things are Generic Monitor! o_o
[04:57] <sladen> it's like saying ''Monitor number 1''
[04:57] <kensai> Chibi: Ok I found my slackware cds ;)
[04:57] <Chibi> Though I was surprised to see it pick up my P110 as HP P110 rather than Compaq P1100
[04:57] <kensai> is there a #slackware in irc.freenodes.net
[04:57] <Lowry> Just wondering if it was detected re "mach64"
[04:58] <hypa7ia> kensai: i'm sure there is
[04:58] <Chibi> The HP label is just for refurbishing. :o
[04:58] <kensai> hypa7ia: hehe there is thanks
[04:58] <Chibi> kensai- Don't root there, they'll ban you for life. :P
[04:58] <kensai> Chibi: root?
[04:58] <Chibi> Run as a su. :o
[04:59] <r3> how come installer only allocated 250M swap space when i have 512M RAM?
[04:59] <kensai> Chibi: hehe I never do that
[04:59] <Lowry> and the Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:59] <Chibi> r3- Don't let installer manage it for you :/
[05:00] <kensai> guys thanks for everything Bye!
[05:00] <Chibi> It gave my laptop 3x the ram.
[05:00] <r3> so i guess i'm hosed, or can i resize partitions without initializing?
[05:00] <noneus1st> i love transcode ^^
[05:03] <r3> but i am loving the flaming head of Dobbs on the xflame screensave...
[05:03] <tseng> big brother, eh
[05:08] <Gwildor> any alternative to gamespy arcade for linux?
[05:09] <bur[n] er> does ubuntu have a vpn client in it?
[05:09] <hypa7ia> Gwildor: what's that?
[05:10] <bob2> bur[n] er: for what system?
[05:12] <Gwildor> hypa7ia, windows game server browser, basically
[05:14] <hypa7ia> ahh, i nkow not these thigns Gwildor
[05:14] <r3> gnome think this ATI card can only do 800x600, and i know it can do at least 10x7.  any way to tweak it?
[05:15] <Seq> r3: it's likely not gnome, but your X server using incorrect settings for your monitor
[05:23] <George^Deka> does anyone know how to setup junk mail filtering in evolution, i cannot follow the faq because the menus are different
[05:24] <bcaesar> Help, Xserver won't let my laptop display 1024x768.  I've looked at the ubuntu wiki, posted a bug on the ubuntu bugzilla, scoured the net for possible fixes, updated my bios, and tinkered with the XF86 config file; all with no success.  My X log shows no errors, it just won't start at 1024x768.  I'm running out of ideas and patience.
[05:24] <encryptio> you've messed with the refresh rates to set them right, right?
[05:26] <bcaesar> encryptio: I've tried changing the horz sync rate and vert refresh rate, with no change; although honestly I'm not sure what the proper settings for my laptop's lcd are.
[05:27] <George^Deka> does anyone know how to setup junk mail filtering in evolution, i cannot follow the faq because the menus are different
[05:27] <encryptio> most lcds max out at 60Hz/60KHz (at least, mine does)
[05:29] <bob2> George^Deka: you don't need to repeeat over and over
[05:29] <bcaesar> encryptio: my lcd is set to 60Hz right now (and as far as I know it should be), but I still can't go above 800x600
[05:29] <bob2> George^Deka: have you follows the SA part of the FAQ?
[05:30] <encryptio> bcaesar, i'm out of ideas then.
[05:30] <billytwowilly> where do I find the boot scripts? How would I make ubuntu boot into init 3?
[05:30] <bcaesar> encryptio: oh well, thanks anyway
[05:30] <GotD0t> how can i get an MD5 sum of a string
[05:31] <encryptio> GotD0t, in a shell: echo -n "The string" | md5sum
[05:31] <GotD0t> thanks
[05:32] <bob2> billytwowilly: why?
[05:32] <George^Deka> bob2: i have installed spamassasin
[05:32] <p00p> hello, how can i add a mount option to a usb thumbdrive that is auto-mounted when i plug it in? (i believe hotplug is the term?)
[05:32] <billytwowilly> bob2, I want init 2 to be no gdm. So I set that up, but it appears as if ubuntu boots into init 2 because now I have no gdm on startup
[05:33] <hypa7ia> p00p it should automount
[05:33] <bob2> billytwowilly: yes, 2 is the default on Debian (and Ubuntu)
[05:33] <hypa7ia> p00p: have you tried it?
[05:33] <p00p> hypa7ia, it does automount, but i want to add noatime
[05:33] <bob2> billytwowilly: /etc/inittab determines the default runlevel
[05:33] <billytwowilly> bob2, thanks
[05:33] <hypa7ia> ohh, p00p, i don't know that :-/
[05:33] <p00p> hypa7ia, thanks anyway
[05:33] <hypa7ia> no problemo
[05:34] <stuNNed> what's the proper way to restart a daemon in ubuntu?
[05:34] <bob2> p00p: ask on the list and hopefully martin will reply
[05:34] <p00p> thanks
[05:34] <p00p> i haven't scoped the list out yet
[05:34] <p00p> i will do that
[05:34] <bob2> cool
[05:34] <billytwowilly> bob2, thanks. If I wanted to hack around with the network startup script where would I find that?
[05:34] <bob2> (he's pitti on IRC, but not around atm)
[05:35] <bob2> billytwowilly: /etc/network/interfaces
[05:35] <bob2> billytwowilly: if you want to do fancy stuff, it letys you hook scripts in at various points
[05:36] <billytwowilly> bob2,  I want to make it check if a cable is plugged into eth0, then use dhcp to get an ip on that first. If no cable, then connect to my access point with essid chris. If no chris, then try and associate with any access point available
[05:36] <bob2> billytwowilly: heh, sounds like you want network manager
[05:37] <billytwowilly> bob2, network manager doesn't appear to be able to do what I want. Attleast it doesn't look that way.
[05:37] <billytwowilly> bob2, I'd love for you to show me how though;)
[05:37] <bob2> hm, I still haven't built it on ppc
[05:37] <bob2> I thought it basically did just that, tho...use ethernet if available,m then connect to an AP if not
[05:38] <Seq> what actually uses postfix in ubuntu-base ?
[05:40] <stuNNed> bob2, how goes?
[05:40] <billytwowilly> bob2,  hmm. theres this other tool installed called network tools. Is that what you mean?
[05:41] <burntash> how do you play a cd in digital mode?
[05:42] <bob2> billytwowilly: no
[05:42] <burntash> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=265221
[05:42] <bob2> billytwowilly: gnome's network manager thing, which isn't in ubuntu yet
[05:42] <oldfishs> hey mates
[05:42] <bob2> burntash: xmms-cdread
[05:42] <bob2> stuNNed: not too shabby
[05:42] <billytwowilly> bob2, oh. I thought you meant the thing at computer -> system config _> networking
[05:42] <bob2> no
[05:43] <oldfishs> I have the strangest quirk, I dont seem to have a working chdir??? Can everyone else use chdir?
[05:43] <burntash> burntash@ubuntu:~ $ xmms-cdread
[05:43] <burntash> bash: xmms-cdread: command not found
[05:43] <billytwowilly> bob2,  do you mean GxSNMP?
[05:43] <burntash> oops
[05:43] <bob2> burntash: it's a plugin package for xmms, install it
[05:43] <burntash> xmms -cdread
[05:43] <bob2> billytwowilly: no
[05:44] <burntash> didnt work though
[05:44] <bob2> billytwowilly: http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager/
[05:44] <bob2> first hit for networkmanager
[05:44] <bob2> burntash: are you just guessing as to how to use it?
[05:44] <bob2> you need to install it, then run xmms, then select the audio tracks.
[05:44] <defendguin> ok i just did a rm -rf ~/ there isnt any way to undo that is there?
[05:45] <defendguin> ok im fucked
[05:45] <bob2> what filesystem?
[05:45] <defendguin> ext3
[05:45] <bob2> (and remount it ro, NOW)
[05:45] <bob2> ext3, you're probably boned
[05:45] <defendguin> id have to reboot
[05:45] <burntash> when i try gnome-cd i get
[05:45] <burntash> ** (gnome-cd:21589): WARNING **: Generic IO error
[05:45] <billytwowilly> bob2, thansk
[05:46] <oldfishs> I have the strangest quirk, I dont seem to have a working chdir??? Can everyone else use chdir?
[05:46] <defendguin> bob2, please help in serious trouble
[05:46] <defendguin> school projects
[05:46] <defendguin> everything
[05:46] <bob2> burntash: gnome-cd won't play cds digitally
[05:46] <burntash> xmms and gnome-cd wont give any sound, they can access the cd and get tracklisting but no sound
[05:46] <bob2> burntash: as I said, use xmms with xmms-cdread
[05:46] <burntash> i get sound in my other apps though
[05:46] <bob2> oldfishs: what do you mean that it doesn't work?
[05:47] <defendguin> bob2, please help
[05:47] <bob2> defendguin: remount it ro, 5 minutes ago
[05:47] <oldfishs> bob2, it doesn't work, thats it, ? I dont know why?
[05:47] <SepheeBear> ouch I had the same rm -r ~/ problem with someone, anyone know if reiserfs is supposed to handle recovery better than ext3 in that case?
[05:47] <bob2> then the best you can hope for is "strings"
[05:47] <bob2> SepheeBear: you're screwed on both
[05:47] <bob2> oldfishs: what do you mean "doesn't work"?
[05:47] <bob2> oldfishs: it doesn't change the directory?
[05:48] <SepheeBear> that answers that question, kinda thought so, thanks bob2
[05:48] <defendguin> bob2, how can i unmount /?
[05:48] <defendguin> its all one partition isnt it?
[05:48] <oldfishs> bob2, eg chdir command not found
[05:48] <defendguin> fuck im gonna fail school
[05:48] <bob2> oldfishs: then use "cd"
[05:48] <bob2> d	I don't know, I can't see your fstab
[05:48] <the_grey_ghost> does anyone know how to support a Serial Mouse in Ubuntu?
[05:48] <bob2> sudo mount -o ro,remount /
[05:49] <oldfishs> bob2, the thing is im using apt-build and it uses chdir
[05:49] <the_grey_ghost> or at least how to use keyboard to navigate the menu in absence of a mouse
[05:49] <bob2> oldfishs: did you play with the default shell?
[05:49] <burntash> how do i install the xmms-cdread.deb package after i download it
[05:50] <oldfishs> bob2, maybe by accident, im trying to install packages by source
[05:50] <bob2> oldfishs: does it look like this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=216135 ?
[05:50] <bob2> burntash: apt-get install xmms-cdread
[05:50] <defendguin> bob2, its busy
[05:50] <bob2> defendguin: with the exact command I gave you?
[05:50] <SepheeBear> cant alias chdir to cd? is it not the same thing?
[05:50] <oldfishs> bob2, at least not to my knowing, does it work for you, are you using ubuntu?
[05:50] <defendguin> yeah
[05:50] <oldfishs> mmm Ubuntu
[05:50] <SepheeBear> only chdir i know is in dos
[05:50] <bob2> oldfishs: I've never bothered with apt-build
[05:50] <defendguin>  / is busy
[05:50] <bob2> oldfishs: does it look like that error?
[05:51] <oldfishs> bob2, ya cause it bombs after extracting the package and the it chdir, and gives an error no such directory
[05:51] <defendguin> please stop bothering bob2
[05:51] <oldfishs> bob2, and now I see that chdir doesnt work, maybe it never did.
[05:52] <bob2> oldfishs: so it matches the bug I showed you?
[05:52] <defendguin> im gonna kill myself if i dont get info back no
[05:52] <defendguin> w
[05:52] <bob2> defendguin: there isn't much you can do, sorry
[05:52] <bob2> defendguin: do you still have an editor open or something?
[05:52] <oldfishs> bob2, sorry i missed that hold n a sec
[05:52] <defendguin> no
[05:52] <defendguin> i need to commit suicide now
[05:52] <gen> do it
[05:53] <bob2> gen: shut up
[05:53] <r3> defendguin ar eyou trying to unmount / or ~/?
[05:53] <bob2> defendguin: talk to your teacher
[05:53] <defendguin> semester is almost over
[05:53] <defendguin> fuck
[05:53] <kapputu> hi all
[05:53] <koko775> hey, i've managed to mount /dev/sda1 onto /mnt/SATA1 (ro,user,users), but only root can read it, and when ubuntu pops up a window, it says i don't have the permissions necessary
[05:54] <bob2> koko775: add umask=002 to the options field in fstab
[05:54] <oldfishs> bob2, no thats not it, plus its from 2003
[05:54] <koko775> thanks
[05:54] <kapputu> bob2: how do I get my DVD-R recognized under Ubuntu
[05:54] <bob2> oldfishs: the error is not the same?
[05:54] <oldfishs> bob2, do you have chdir, or what package is that in?
[05:55] <bob2> oldfishs: why does the year it was reported matter?
[05:55] <oldfishs> bob2, no not at all
[05:55] <bob2> oldfishs: well, paste your error to #flood
[05:55] <oldfishs> bob2, I figured Debian would of fixed it
[05:55] <defendguin> there must be someway to recover this info
[05:55] <oldfishs> bob2,  no offence bob2
[05:56] <koko775> niiiiice, thanks
[05:56] <oldfishs> bob2, do you know if theres a package i could reinstall>
[05:56] <jml> hello
[05:56] <hypa7ia> defendguin: are you still on the system you just nuked?
[05:56] <defendguin> where can i find some file system experts?
[05:56] <defendguin> hypa7ia, yeah
[05:56] <bob2> oldfishs: debian is a group of people...note the maintainer's replies where he's trying to fix it
[05:56] <bob2> oldfishs: paste the error to #flood
[05:56] <hypa7ia> you need to get off of it now
[05:56] <hypa7ia> boot off a livecd
[05:56] <bob2> koko775: it doesn't just work?
[05:56] <oldfishs> bob2, right then
[05:56] <hypa7ia> so that you're not writing to the drive
[05:57] <hypa7ia> ext3 is journaled, no?
[05:57] <bob2> yup
[05:57] <the_grey_ghost> Can Serial Mouses work on Ubuntu (live)? also can I use the computer without a mouse only a keyboard?
[05:57] <bob2> the_grey_ghost: don't know about live, but they workl with some manual fiddling in normal ubuntnu
[05:57] <jml> Under warty, the line in on my audigy card doesn't work at all
[05:58] <the_grey_ghost> ok, I was going to try it but I can't navigate the menu system via Keyboard interface yet. Any tips?
[05:58] <defendguins_dead> hypa7ia, ok nowwhat?
[05:58] <jml> I've tried tweaking all of the mixer settings, and I have checked that I'm using the right plug.
[05:58] <bob2> the_grey_ghost: ctrl-f1 drops down the Applications menu
[05:58] <hypa7ia> you're off the drive?
[05:58] <hypa7ia> defendguin
[05:58] <defendguins_dead> yeah
[05:59] <hypa7ia> okay.  the computer is off?
[05:59] <defendguins_dead> yeah
[05:59] <defendguins_dead> i did a hard poweroff
[05:59] <hypa7ia> kay
[05:59] <hypa7ia> msg me, i;ll see if i can help
[05:59] <the_grey_ghost> cool
[05:59] <kapputu> hi
[05:59] <kapputu> how do I play DVDs in Ubuntu ?
[05:59] <bob2> kapputu: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:00] <jml> normally, there's a setting which indicates whether "record" is enabled for a particular mixer channel
[06:00] <jml> aumix does not show that setting at all
[06:01] <r3> how do i get my xserver to drive my video > 800x600 ?
[06:01] <bob2> r3: sure your hardware can do more?
[06:01] <r3> yeah
[06:01] <bob2> wiki.ubunu.com, what do to do when X autoconfig fails
[06:01] <oldfishs> bob2, it will be a sec Im apt-build package, so I have to wait
[06:02] <r3> and way higher refresh rates too
[06:02] <r3> 8x6 at 60Hz is a drag
[06:02] <r3> oh my aching ayeballs
[06:03] <bob2> please follow those steps
[06:03] <r3> thanks
[06:03] <billytwowilly> I'm trying to compile NetworkManager and I get an error from running ./configure  configure: error: iwlib.h not found. Install wireless-tools. wireless-tools is installed.
[06:03] <billytwowilly> Any suggestions?
[06:03] <stuNNed> bob2, network-admin in warty seems buggy, haven't really tried yet with warty, is this a known issue?
[06:03] <bob2> I don't know
[06:04] <stuNNed> bob2, sorry, the latter being hoary
[06:04] <bob2> I don't think g-s-t is all that usable in warty, tho
[06:04] <stuNNed> bob2, g-s-t?
[06:04] <burntash> burntash@ubuntu:~ $ sudo apt-get install beep-media-player-dev_0.9.6.1-3_powerpc.deb
[06:04] <burntash> Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:04] <burntash> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:04] <burntash> E: Couldn't find package beep-media-player-dev_0.9.6.1-3_powerpc.deb
[06:04] <bob2> burntash: install libiw-dev
[06:04] <oldfishs> build-dir = /var/cache/apt-build/build
[06:04] <oldfishs> repository-dir = /var/cache/apt-build/repository
[06:04] <oldfishs> Olevel = -O2
[06:04] <oldfishs> march = -march=athlon-xp
[06:04] <oldfishs> mcpu = -mcpu=athlon-xp
[06:04] <oldfishs> options =
[06:04] <bob2> stuNNed: gnome-system-tools
[06:04] <bob2> oldfishs: please don't
[06:04] <bob2> burntash: yes, you can't use apt to install single files
[06:05] <bob2> burntash: your ubuntu machine doesn't have any network access?
[06:05] <burntash> bob2: i configured the cd plugin in xmms to play digital extraction instead of dialog and i work now
[06:05] <stuNNed> bob2, me neither, i've written simple scripts to connect at different places however hsf modem seems to crap out on me whether warty or hoary
[06:05] <burntash> im hooked up to a cable modem right now
[06:05] <bob2> burntash: so why are you manually downloading .deb files?
[06:05] <burntash> because i didnt see BMP in synaptic
[06:05] <oldfishs> bob2, well I did find an error, I shouldnt have mcpu and march, so I deleted mcpu, im still waiting for the error to come up again though
[06:05] <burntash> so i didnt know how else to install it
[06:05] <kapputu> bob2: doesn't work in mplayer and totem
[06:05] <kapputu> totem says that movie could not be read
[06:06] <kapputu> mplayer says that seek failed
[06:06] <bob2> burntash: so, now you have xmms working, you want to install beep as well?
[06:06] <bob2> kapputu: did you read that page completely?
[06:06] <bob2> oldfishs: ok
[06:06] <kapputu> yes I did
[06:06] <Tsjoklat> hi all
[06:06] <burntash> bob2: yes, never tried it, says it looks better cause of the gtk
[06:06] <kapputu> except libdvdcss I have all other packages
[06:06] <bob2> kapputu: and you install libdvdcss?
[06:07] <kapputu> i did
[06:07] <nate> I am having difficulty copying photos off a USB 1.1 camera
[06:07] <bob2> the right version?
[06:07] <kapputu> they are .VOB files
[06:07] <oldfishs> bob2, I got the error now if your free in #flood let me know and I will post
[06:07] <kapputu> what do you mean by right version
[06:07] <bob2> kapputu: erm, don't mount it
[06:07] <bob2> kapputu: mplayer -dvd /dev/hdc dvd://
[06:07] <bob2> orso
[06:07] <bob2> oldfishs: ok
[06:07] <bob2> burntash: ok
[06:07] <nate> I keep getting 'usb 2-2: control timeout on ep0in' in /var/log/messages and lockups
[06:07] <nate> any ideas?
[06:08] <kapputu> why /dev/hdc ?
[06:08] <bob2> oldfishs: um, that's the *exact* error in the bug report I showed you
[06:08] <billytwowilly> is there a wireless-tools devel package?
[06:08] <bob2> kapputu: replace it with wherever your drive is
[06:08] <bob2> billytwowilly: yes, libiw-dev, as I said
[06:08] <oldfishs> bob2, your kiddin?
[06:09] <kapputu> what does dvd://N do ?
[06:09] <kapputu> what is N ?
[06:09] <bob2> billytwowilly: erm, but my tab completion fucked up and I said it to someone else
[06:09] <billytwowilly> bob2, sorry, I'm doing three things at once. I missed it because it wan't tagged with my nick.
[06:09] <bob2> kapputu: read the manpage (hint, it's the chapter)
[06:09] <billytwowilly> bob2, no worries, thanks for the help
[06:09] <bob2> billytwowilly: my mistake, sorry
[06:09] <kapputu> mplayer manpage ?
[06:09] <bob2> kapputu: yes
[06:09] <nate> if this keeps up I may have to go back to Fedora
[06:09] <bob2> oldfishs: it looks very very much the same
[06:09] <nate> pity
[06:09] <nate> it was looking nice up to now
[06:09] <LifesizeKenDoll> nate: what's your problem?
[06:09] <kapputu> bob2: I don't mind reading the manpage
[06:09] <bob2> nate: threats are stupid
[06:10] <bob2> nate: did you try disabling apic, lapic, acpi, etc?
[06:10] <kapputu> but it's 12 at night and have had a few beers
[06:10] <kapputu> all I want to do is to watch a movie
[06:10] <oldfishs> bob2, shi4 your right
[06:10] <bob2> kapputu: xine is easier then
[06:10] <r3> so i should do this? http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XautoconfigurationDebug
[06:10] <bob2> since it brings up the menu by default
[06:10] <bob2> r3: yes
[06:10] <Tsjoklat> bad timing huh kapputu
[06:10] <nate> LivesizeKenDoll: Copying files off a USB camera hangs.
[06:10] <oldfishs> bob2, didn't see that before i just searched the bugreport for chdir and seen it. damn
[06:11] <kapputu> yep
[06:11] <kapputu> I rarely watch movies
[06:11] <oldfishs> bob2, so what do you figure I do?
[06:11] <Tsjoklat> did you try totem-xine?
[06:11] <kapputu> and very rarely watch movies on my laptop
[06:11] <burntash> how do i go about installing BMP
[06:11] <Tsjoklat> and what sort of movies do you wish to watch?
[06:11] <nate> bob2: is there a bugzilla bug I should be searching on?
[06:11] <Tsjoklat> the extension?
[06:11] <kapputu> comedy
[06:11] <kapputu> .VOB
[06:11] <kapputu> dvd
[06:12] <Tsjoklat> did you get the w32codecs?
[06:12] <Tsjoklat> and libdvdread?
[06:12] <kapputu> I din't get libdvdread
[06:12] <nate> bob2: so far I have tried disabling gpilotd, in case that was conflicting. Doesn't seem to have helped.
[06:12] <bob2> burntash: use synaptic to install the beep-media-player package
[06:12] <bob2> nate: I don't know, but I would certainly try the apic stuff
[06:13] <burntash> bob2: i tried to search for it but i cant find it in synaptic
[06:13] <bob2> oldfishs:not use it?  apply the patch?
[06:13] <nate> bob2: Hmm. What is apic?
[06:13] <bob2> burntash: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto, it's in universe
[06:13] <kapputu> yeah I have libdvdread tpp
[06:13] <nate> bob2: I take it you don't mean ACPI?
[06:13] <kapputu> too
[06:13] <Tsjoklat> kapputu didn you read the wiki about what you need for restricted formats?
[06:13] <kapputu> I did
[06:13] <kapputu> I have all of it
[06:13] <Tsjoklat> and still no go?
[06:14] <bob2> you don't need w32codecs to watch dvds
[06:14] <Tsjoklat> and you tried the xine version of totem?
[06:14] <Tsjoklat> I never said he did
[06:14] <kapputu> yeah I did
[06:14] <Tsjoklat> I am trying to figure out what he installed and what he didn't install
[06:15] <Tsjoklat> and mplayer doesn't like it either?
[06:15] <bob2> nate: try booting with the "noapic" kernel command line option
[06:15] <kapputu> nope
[06:15] <kapputu> Seek failed
[06:15] <kapputu> totem - movie could not be read
[06:16] <Tsjoklat> and you installed mplayer?
[06:16] <Tsjoklat> to see if that might work?
[06:16] <kapputu> yep
[06:16] <kapputu> and it has worked fine
[06:16] <kapputu> I watched a few clips too
[06:16] <stuNNed> same dvd has worked before?
[06:16] <kapputu> no
[06:16] <kapputu> first time I'm watching a DVD in ubuntu
[06:16] <kapputu> used to work in FC 2
[06:17] <Tsjoklat> so you tried mplayer and it worked? or it worked on FC2?
[06:17] <Tsjoklat> and never worked on ubu
[06:17] <kapputu> it worked on FC 2
[06:17] <kapputu> mplayer worked with other formats
[06:17] <kapputu> not DVD
[06:17] <kapputu> first time with a DVD on Ubuntu
[06:17] <nate> bob2: ok, will try
[06:18] <stuNNed> kapputu, clean the dvd with asotropic alcohol?
[06:18] <kapputu> it's a brand new DVD
[06:18] <kapputu> got it from the library
[06:20] <tom-cat> hi folks!
[06:20] <burntash> bob2: thank
[06:20] <burntash> bob2: thanks
[06:20] <kapputu> last thing I want to do is to go to windows and watch it
[06:20] <Tsjoklat> I am out of options to offer kapputu... I got totem working great with xine so I never had to try to fix it
[06:20] <Tsjoklat> hi tom
[06:20] <tom-cat> bob2, I can not rip music from streamtuner :-(
[06:21] <bob2> erm, ok
[06:21] <bob2> I geuss not being able to violate copyright is bad
[06:21] <tom-cat> x-terminal crash !
[06:21] <tom-cat> hi Tsjoklat
[06:21] <oldfishs> bob2, what about this here, im trying to install and I get this see #flood, is my system totalled?
[06:22] <bob2> no
[06:22] <bob2> it means you're not running it as root, or you left dpkg/apt running somewhere else
[06:23] <oldfishs> bob2, should I reboot then?
[06:23] <bob2> why?
[06:24] <bob2> just run it as root or close the other process
[06:24] <oldfishs> bob2, can't figure out why I dont have chdir still?
[06:24] <bob2> huh?
[06:24] <bob2> you still haven't read the bug report
[06:24] <bob2> the problem is that it's trying to chdir to the wrong directory
[06:24] <eazel7> hi
[06:24] <bob2> not that chdir doesn't exiwst
[06:24] <oldfishs> bob2, have, but how do I add the perl?
[06:24] <bob2> what are you asking?
[06:24] <oldfishs> bob2, it doesnt for me, i cnat us it in the bash
[06:25] <bob2> yes, but that's not the point
[06:25] <bob2> it's a perl function called chdir
[06:25] <oldfishs> oldfishs, listhening
[06:25] <bob2> is your question "How do I apply the fix from the bug report?"?
[06:26] <oldfishs> bob2, ok, no how do I apply the fix?
[06:26] <oldfishs> bob2,  in the bug report
[06:26] <Tsjoklat> wb zenwhen
[06:27] <oldfishs> bob2, and how do I kill the process of apt running somewhere. Like I know where somewhere is LOL come on!
[06:27] <bob2> um, ok
[06:27] <oldfishs> im use to winbloze reboot, or ctrl alt del
[06:28] <bob2> yes, rebooting is almost never the right thing to do on linux
[06:28] <oldfishs> bob2, see thats the thing im trying to use my tech support from winbloze in Ubuntu
[06:28] <zenwhen> thanks
[06:28] <bob2> is /usr/bin/apt-build a perl script?
[06:28] <zenwhen> damn webcam didnt work after I rebooted
[06:28] <zenwhen> I guess I was happy too quickly
[06:28] <zenwhen> lol
[06:29] <oldfishs> bob2, lol i haven't the slightest clue
[06:29] <bob2> oldfishs: look at it
[06:29] <oldfishs> bob2, i guess cauase thats what the patch is
[06:29] <bob2> does it start with a line like #!/bin/perl?
[06:29] <bob2> yes, I know the patch is perl, but it doesn't say what file to apply it to
[06:29] <oldfishs> bob2, right in , hold on my cats at the door
[06:29] <bob2> so we're confirming the probably guess that it's just against apt-build itself
[06:30] <mojo_> good afternoon all Ubuntu fellows!
[06:30] <eazel7> how should I add the warty-updates rep to my sources.list?
[06:30] <oldfishs> I thought it was code for apt-build, in perl
[06:30] <chris__> anyone got a minute to help me with a wireless card problem?
[06:30] <eazel7> (I'm in a clean and normal install)
[06:30] <bob2> oldfishs: it's a patch
[06:31] <bob2> chris__: just ask your question
[06:31] <oldfishs> bob2, or is perl a way of patching code, c I would imagine
[06:31] <bob2> the code is a patch for some perl code
[06:31] <oldfishs> bob2, so I could paste that into my shell
[06:31] <bob2> no
[06:31] <chris__> just installed ubuntu on my IBM t42 and the wireless card is not detected. according to the wiki notes, others have gotten it to work with no problems but mine isnt
[06:31] <mojo_> To have the latest Industrial theme and icons, please install Novell Linux Desktop on a PC, then copy all /opt/gnome/share/themes and /opt/gnome/share/icons to equivalent folder in your /usr/share/
[06:32] <oldfishs> bob2, right, so I was right in my guess
[06:32] <bob2> oldfishs: is apt-builld itself perl?
[06:32] <Tsjoklat> what kind of webcam do you have zenwhen?
[06:32] <t17mh> Howdy -- well, I'm just about done w/ my debian-to-ubuntu migration. Does anyone know where the ubuntu menu stuff is installed from? I've got most of the Ubuntu stuff installed but still don't have the ubuntu menu configuration.
[06:32] <Tsjoklat> mojo_ it only takes tree cds of 700mb lol
[06:32] <oldfishs> bob2, like I said I really have no clue, how would I know?
[06:32] <chris__> in the device manager, I see AR5212 802.11abg NIC listed, but ubuntu apparently doesnt know what it is
[06:32] <Tsjoklat> I would love to have the files but my modem will have a stroke
[06:33] <bob2> oldfishs: 15:29:26           bob2 | does it start with a line like #!/bin/perl?
[06:33] <mojo_> Tsjoklat: I wish I can the right to package the Industrial theme and redistribute it
[06:33] <Lowry> later
[06:34] <Tsjoklat> tell me this mojo_ is it really as cool as they say?
[06:34] <Tsjoklat> have you installed the distro itself?
[06:34] <chris__> anyone got any ideas on how to make ubuntu realize that I have a wireless card
[06:34] <bob2> mojo_: you can check that out yourself
[06:34] <mojo_> Tsjoklat: yes, it's so cool!!
[06:34] <mojo_> Tsjoklat: BUT!!
[06:34] <mojo_> Tsjoklat: it's quite slow compare to our Ubuntu
[06:34] <bob2> chris__: please file a bug with the output of "dmesg", "lsmod", "lspci" and "lspci -n'
[06:35] <oldfishs> bob2, right, well nautilus has a icon saying its perl
[06:35] <bob2> oldfishs: ok
[06:35] <oldfishs> so i could add the patch to the perl in usr bin
[06:35] <bob2> oldfishs: you an capply the patch to /usr/bin/apt-build, yes
[06:35] <Tsjoklat> I was looking at the screenshots and yes it does look fantastic
[06:36] <oldfishs> bob2, cool I tell you how it goes LOL
[06:36] <bob2> oldfishs: do you know how to apply patches?
[06:39] <mojo_> For anyone here who loves to discover new Industrial theme on Ubuntu, please private chat with me!
[06:40] <bob2> mojo_: why don't you just find out if it's distributable and then package it?
[06:43] <mojo_> bob2: I did, and it's not, you're only allowed to use the old Industrial theme, so I just write some tutorial how to grab the theme from NLD9
[06:44] <bob2> ew, that's sick
[06:47] <mojo_> bob2: their wallpapers are sick pretty, I just love them so much, I put one on each day
[06:48] <oldfishs> bob2, no and I think im messing up my apt-build
[06:50] <spacey`ki> mojo_, give us a screenshot:)
[06:50] <mojo_> okay
[06:50] <mojo_> I will
[06:50] <mojo_> but let me find a host first
[06:50] <mojo_> then I show all ppl here
[06:52] <arun--> where do you guys get the realplayer package
[06:53] <t17mh> Hrmph... so does anybody know where the beautiful menus come from. Even what I log in as a brand new user, I still have my old (sid) Applications/Actions menus.
[06:54] <bob2> olly|home: you can remove and reinstall apt-build to undo your changes
[06:54] <bob2> hrm
[06:55] <mojo_> got in
[06:56] <zenwhen> hey
[06:56] <zenwhen> how do I add an init script to ubuntu's startup
[06:57] <zenwhen> I made a little shellscript to insmod my webcam driver on boot
[06:57] <zenwhen> in slackware I would have just added the command to rc.local and saved it
[06:57] <zenwhen> how do i add a command like that to ubuntu's init
[06:58] <Xenguy> zenwhen: in debian there is a file in /etc/init.d called bootmisc.sh
[06:58] <zenwhen> oh
[06:58] <Xenguy> zenwhen: no idea whether this applies to Ubu also
[06:58] <bob2> copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/whatever
[06:58] <bob2> edit it
[06:58] <bob2> "update-rc.d whatever defaults"
[06:58] <bob2> all done
[06:58] <zenwhen> um
[06:58] <zenwhen> what do whatever
[06:58] <bob2> ?
[06:58] <zenwhen> and defaults stand for
[06:59] <Xenguy> aha - the Ubu way
[06:59] <bob2> it's also the Debian way
[06:59] <zenwhen> Im used to just adding commands to a text file
[06:59] <bob2> whatever is whatever you want
[06:59] <bob2> defaults is the word defaults
[06:59] <zenwhen> but... i dont know what i want
[06:59] <bob2> yes, there's no text file to edit now, this is a proper sysV system
[06:59] <zenwhen> thanks anyway
[06:59] <Xenguy> bob2: AFAIK bootmisc.sh is the debian way <shrug>
[07:00] <GammaRay> when I shut down, instead of powering off I get the message "power down". How do I fix that?
[07:00] <Xenguy> bob2: I see no /etc/init.d/skeleton on my debian system BTW
[07:00] <Xenguy> GammaRay: that is normal
[07:01] <bob2> Xenguy: I see it in woody and sarge
[07:01] <GammaRay> Xenguy: ok.. so then how do I make it abnormal?
[07:01] <jml> my hunch is that I'm going to have to investigate at the alsa level.
[07:01] <Xenguy> bob2: my mistake - it is there (sid)
[07:02] <spacey`ki> GammaRay, maybe use some form of powermanagement?
[07:02] <Xenguy> GammaRay: I don't know (and I don't see it as particularly worthwhile to bother finding out ;-)
[07:03] <dust-puppy> is firefox 1.0 available for ubuntu ?
[07:03] <bob2> dust-puppy: it's not in warty or hoary, no
[07:03] <bob2> ubuntu is leet, sorry
[07:03] <GammaRay> Xenguy: well maybe you should have kept quiet then
[07:03] <Xenguy> dust-puppy: currently 0.93 or so
[07:03] <Xenguy> GammaRay: maybe you should learn some manners
[07:03] <bob2> GammaRay: Xenguy chill
[07:04] <bob2> GammaRay: if it's a APM machine, load the "apm" module
[07:04] <bob2> GammaRay: if it's acpi, you need to find out which module you need, since I don't know
[07:04] <zenwhen> Xenguy, bootmisc.sh was just what I was looking for. Thanks buddy.
[07:05] <zenwhen> I like straight-forward config file editing.
[07:05] <zenwhen> cam works perfectly now.
[07:05] <Xenguy> zenwhen: sure thing, altho I'm now looking at that 'skeleton' file that bob2 mentioned ;-)
[07:05] <zenwhen> Oh Im sure it would work.
[07:05] <bob2> well, either way is fine
[07:06] <Xenguy> whatever works, as I always say
[07:06] <zenwhen> If I cared to evolve towards some level of debian enlightnment. :p
[07:06] <Xenguy> zenwhen: hehe
[07:06] <zenwhen> I have to say one thing though
[07:06] <zenwhen> I think thats the second config file Ive had to edit, maybe the third.
[07:06] <zenwhen> Since I installed ubuntu.
[07:07] <Gwildor> can anyone help me with a .run file?
[07:07] <zenwhen> Installing slack is quite a different story.
[07:07] <bob2> Gwildor: what are you trying to do?
[07:07] <Gwildor> bob2, install ET
[07:07] <GammaRay> bob2: thanks.. the apm module did the trick
[07:07] <Xenguy> zenwhen: I personally have no problem with that, but I guess the goal is to require no such thing of newbie users
[07:07] <zenwhen> Oh
[07:07] <bob2> GammaRay: add apm on it's own line to /etc/modules
[07:07] <Gwildor> bob2, Enemy Territory
[07:07] <zenwhen> I never said that was an issue.
[07:08] <zenwhen> It makes the system great for computer newbies.
[07:08] <zenwhen> Not just linux newbies.
[07:08] <Xenguy> zenwhen: nod
[07:08] <bob2> Gwildor: I don't know what that is, but I assume it's some binary-only proprietary thing.  it has no instructions?
[07:08] <Gwildor> bob2, it is a game
[07:08] <Tsjoklat> testy mood in here tonight
[07:08] <Tsjoklat> full moon?
[07:08] <Xenguy> Tsjoklat: new moon ;-)
[07:08] <GammaRay> bob2: it's a desktop btw.. why would I need a power management module?
[07:08] <zenwhen> I like that apt sets up config files when it installs packages as well. I also like not hearing people in #slackware bitch every time i mention apt.
[07:08] <zenwhen> :P
[07:08] <bob2> GammaRay: so the kernel can manage the power enough to turn it off
[07:09] <spacey`ki> zenwhen, well maybe its not hard. but if you don't know it you can't do it the easy way:P with all those tools n stuff
[07:09] <GammaRay> bob2: ic.. something I guess mandrake took case of for me
[07:09] <zenwhen> Oh
[07:09] <bob2> GammaRay: could have
[07:09] <Xenguy> zenwhen: they bitch about apt?  Green with jealousy I imagine ;-)
[07:09] <GammaRay> -case +care
[07:10] <bob2> I'm not sure if it's possible to detect it automatically
[07:10] <zenwhen> Well, I know it. Im an ex slackware user. Im just saying its nice to know it, and know you dont need to anymore.
[07:10] <zenwhen> :D
[07:10] <Xenguy> hehe
[07:10] <tweek> can anyone help em with an error ive been getting when trying to boot ubuntu
[07:10] <tweek> ?
[07:11] <Xenguy> tweek: which error?
[07:11] <Tsjoklat> ppl must be having their periods
[07:11] <pepsi> hrm
[07:11] <zenwhen> seeing red?
[07:11] <Xenguy> Tsjoklat: new and full moons - look out =)
[07:11] <tweek> i tried booting and it said no kernel found so i tried linux noapic and noapic
[07:11] <tweek> and i got the same error
[07:11] <bob2> they won't help with that
[07:11] <Gwildor> bob2, i think i got it ./<filename>.run
[07:11] <bob2> what did you do to your system after installing it?
[07:11] <Xenguy> Tsjoklat: the nethack game knows that too (you get funny messages around the new moon time)
[07:12] <tweek> it didnt install
[07:12] <arun--> i am not using gnome, i am running blackbox, how to check what is my volume setting
[07:12] <Tsjoklat> I'll stay low lol
[07:12] <bob2> Tsjoklat: how do I politely explain to someone that they could ask questions a lot better?
[07:12] <bob2> arun--: "alsamixer" in a terminal
[07:12] <bob2> arun--: or gmixer, iirc
[07:13] <tweek> bob2: would a damaged iso cause this?
[07:13] <Xenguy> arun--: aumix may work also
[07:13] <bob2> tweek: have you checked that?
[07:13] <tweek> i cant
[07:13] <bob2> why?
[07:13] <tweek> i tried md5
[07:13] <tweek> but it keeps crashing
[07:13] <bob2> md5sum.xe on windows?
[07:13] <tweek> exe
[07:13] <tweek> yea
[07:14] <bob2> well, you'll have to find some other way.
[07:14] <arun--> thankyou
[07:14] <tweek> what other options would there be
[07:14] <tweek> i tried google
[07:14] <Tsjoklat> suggest how to ask bob2?
[07:15] <tom__> tweek maybe u need to instal md5sum.exe in windows
[07:15] <tweek> install,? it crashes every time its ran.
[07:16] <Majestic> Ubuntu is going higher and higher on the polls! ;)
[07:16] <tom__> no i mean to check the md5sum of your iso in windows is md5sum.exe installed there?
[07:16] <zenwhen> what polls
[07:16] <George^Deka> tweek: it does not crash it just takes a very very long time to give you the md5sum
[07:16] <Majestic> Distrowatch, etc
[07:16] <zenwhen> well ubuntu is the only newbie friendly distro thats worth a crap
[07:17] <zenwhen> its not a big surprise
[07:17] <Tsjoklat> give me a few minutes and I'll be in here helping who ever needs help.. new/full moon or not
[07:17] <Tsjoklat> trying to figure something out and me head is spinning
[07:17] <zenwhen> everything else is a windows clone kde based pile of bloat
[07:17] <zenwhen> hell
[07:17] <zenwhen> FC3 has a dvd iso
[07:18] <zenwhen> how big of a joke is that?
[07:18] <bob2> Tsjoklat: hm people have taken that the wrong way in the past
[07:18] <zenwhen> a 3GB one
[07:18] <Gwildor> bob2, could you help me with ati stuff?
[07:18] <bob2> Gwildor: you need to be a lot more specific
[07:18] <Gwildor> or can anyone here help me with ati stuff?
[07:18] <bob2> just ask your question
[07:19] <Gwildor> bob2, well, i have learned that some ppl know nvidia only, so i was just tryin to sort out some who know ati
[07:20] <tom__> gwildor ask away you never know ... eg i have ubuntu running on atu here
[07:20] <bob2> Gwildor: to do what?
[07:20] <Gwildor> bob2, since i upgraded to hoary, i am unsure if i am using xfree or xorg, and i have a strange (new) output from glxgears
[07:20] <tom__> *ati
[07:20] <bob2> really, just ask your question
[07:20] <Gwildor> i was working on it :)
[07:20] <bob2> Gwildor: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 xserver-xorg | tail -n2
[07:20] <bob2> what does that print out?
[07:21] <Gwildor> ii  xserver-xfree8 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 the XFree86 X server
[07:21] <Gwildor> un  xserver-xorg   <none>         (no description available)
[07:21] <Tsjoklat> you're using XFree
[07:21] <bob2> presumably b ecause you removed ubunut-desktop
[07:21] <bob2> to install totem-xine or something
[07:22] <LinuxJones> Gwildor, you need to dist-upgrade maybe ?
[07:22] <Gwildor> linixjones, well im more concerned with my new glxgears output, than getting xorg
[07:23] <Gwildor> i will post it on #flood, take a look if you could plz?
[07:23] <LinuxJones> Gwildor, if you running hoary why not run xorg ?
[07:24] <Gwildor> linuxjones, i really dont want x to break atm, if x breaks i am bumming, have to re-install
[07:24] <bob2> you don't have to reinstall
[07:24] <Gwildor> bob2, i dont know what to do without x
[07:24] <Gwildor> bob2, err, how to fix it on my own
[07:25] <johnnybezak> cd #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:26] <johnnybezak> lol
[07:26] <johnnybezak> too much time in terminal
[07:26] <JDahl> what do I need to add to sources.list to include the equivalent of non-free?
[07:26] <bob2> JDahl: multiverse
[07:27] <JDahl> thanks... how about restricted, what's that?
[07:27] <JDahl> non-US?
[07:28] <tweek> guys i found a nice easy to use program called digestit would that work in the place of md5sum.exe?
[07:28] <Tsjoklat> JDahl.. what is says: restricted
[07:28] <Tsjoklat> such as: jave, mp3, wincodecs etc.
[07:29] <JDahl> Tsjoklat, ok.. so it has no debian-counterpart?
[07:29] <Tsjoklat> a what?
[07:30] <JDahl> I am just trying to figure out what the debian repositories I am used to are called under Ubuntu
[07:31] <desp> is anyone using fluxbox with ubuntu?
[07:31] <Gwildor> desp, from time to time
[07:31] <Tsjoklat> they are not debian reps
[07:31] <bob2> JDahl: restricted has no counterpart in Debian
[07:31] <Tsjoklat> you are running ubu
[07:31] <Tsjoklat> not debian
[07:31] <bob2> JDahl: it's non-free drivers
[07:31] <bob2> Tsjoklat: yes, you don't understand his question
[07:32] <Tsjoklat> bob2: no I don't
[07:32] <desp> Gwildor: what would be the easiest way to get it installed under warty?
[07:32] <hypa7ia> I GOT THE CRAPPY DELL WORKING
[07:32] <Tsjoklat> JDahl.. could you be more specific about your question?
[07:32] <Tsjoklat> hypa!!!!
[07:32] <bob2> Tsjoklat: he's asking what the names of the debian repositores are in ubuntu
[07:32] <hypa7ia> heyo Tsjoklat :-)
[07:32] <bob2> Tsjoklat: main = main, multiverse = non-free
[07:32] <Tsjoklat> :)
[07:32] <joolz> morning :-)
[07:32] <Tsjoklat> ah right
[07:32] <Tsjoklat> sorry JDahl... I read your question wrong
[07:33] <Tsjoklat> hi joolz :) hypa hypa :)
[07:33] <Gwildor> desp, sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[07:33] <Tsjoklat> hypa gets me hyper :P
[07:33] <desp> hrm
[07:33] <Tsjoklat> I shouldn't be doing ten times at once
[07:34] <Tsjoklat> as I said me head is spinning
[07:34] <desp> Gwildor: it's not in any repository I have
[07:34] <Tsjoklat> wha crappy Dell hypa?
[07:34] <Tsjoklat> what even
[07:34] <joolz> i'm still on warty, but i would like to apt the latest firefox and gaim. Does anyone know where i can download debs for that?
[07:34] <desp> not universe, not multiverse...
[07:34] <Tsjoklat> from ubu joolz
[07:34] <Tsjoklat> lol
[07:34] <Tsjoklat> joolz read other window
[07:34] <Gwildor> desp, tis in universe
[07:35] <desp> Gwildor: perhaps only the i386 .deb is?
[07:35] <Gwildor> desp, ahh, perhaps, ppc?
[07:35] <desp> yup
[07:35] <LinuxJones> gwildor :D
[07:36] <hypa7ia> i have another machine to install ubu on now!
[07:36] <hypa7ia> yay!
[07:36] <Tsjoklat> huh huh
[07:36] <desp> Gwildor: I was looking at the page of the fluxbox .deb maintainer, but there was no source offered, only the i386 bins
[07:36] <Tsjoklat> seems I am not the only one hyper hahah
[07:36] <Tsjoklat> you should try NLD hypa
[07:36] <mslade> ahem
[07:37] <bob2> it's very very unlikely that fluxbox FTBFS on ppc
[07:37] <bob2> and it's in hoary
[07:37] <hypa7ia> Tsjoklat: NLD?
[07:37] <Tsjoklat> Novel Linux Desktop
[07:38] <bob2> he's pimping Novell's linux distro for some reason
[07:38] <Tsjoklat> she
[07:38] <Tsjoklat> SHE
[07:38] <Tsjoklat> and I am not pimping shit
[07:38] <bob2> sorry, my mistake
[07:38] <hypa7ia> i'm gonna stick with ubu for now :-)
[07:38] <hypa7ia> since it's what i know and all
[07:39] <hypa7ia> gonna update the new machine to hoary tho
[07:39] <Tsjoklat> yeah me too but I am going to give it a go on my test box
[07:39] <Tsjoklat> want to see beagle
[07:39] <bob2> hm, beagle shouldn't be too hard to get going on ubuntu
[07:39] <bob2> does nld ship with it?
[07:39] <Tsjoklat> yes
[07:39] <Tsjoklat> I read the wiki on beagle in ubu
[07:40] <Tsjoklat> but I want to see it first
[07:40] <bob2> hm, neat
[07:40] <Tsjoklat> and you'll like hoary hypa... I'm loving it
[07:41] <hypa7ia> woot
[07:41] <hypa7ia> this machine is gonna be running headless
[07:41] <Tsjoklat> I am not going to change my distro
[07:41] <Tsjoklat> besides ... to pay fifty bucks...
[07:41] <Tsjoklat> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeagleInstallHowto
[07:42] <desp> bob2: what is the default wm in ubuntu, metacity?
[07:42] <JDahl> is there a heavy python user among staff here? The python documentation tools are broken (as are they on debian, but the maintainer brushed me off)
[07:43] <bob2> desp: yes
[07:43] <Tsjoklat> JDahl: you asked a Debian maintainer?
[07:43] <bob2> JDahl: how so?
[07:45] <dopey> bob2: i know fluxbox doesnt ftbfs on ppc.
[07:45] <Chris1954> hi, I'm looking around at various distros and have been told ubuntu is good, is anyone prepared to give me some feed back, and comparisons with other distros like, Redhat, mandrake, and Xandros
[07:45] <dopey> desp: the source packages are there, just not linked.
[07:45] <Tsjoklat> Xandros: limited packages (read none you want)
[07:45] <Tsjoklat> Redhat: pay
[07:45] <Tsjoklat> Mandrake: no comment
[07:46] <Tsjoklat> Suse: if you are suicidal
[07:46] <Tsjoklat> Debian: great, just forget the maintainers.. they invinted the word arsehole
[07:46] <JDahl> bob2, you cannot build documention with latex2html (e.g., try cd /usr/lib/python2.3/doc/templates; sudo ../tools/mkhowto howto.tex). For that to work you need to manually copy the "html" directory from the python source to /usr/lib/python2.3/docs
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> want more Chris? :)
[07:47] <JDahl> bob2, I had the same problem with testing and filed a report, which was largely ignored
[07:47] <bob2> Tsjoklat: most debian maintainers are nice people
[07:47] <dopey> Tsjoklat: please tone it down a little.
[07:47] <bob2> like dopey here
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> bob2: I  haven't met one
[07:47] <dopey> damn, you blew my cover.
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> dopey: I feel for you
[07:48] <bob2> haha
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> and don't tell me to tone it down
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> I don't take crap from debian maintainers anymore thank you very much
[07:48] <Chris1954> Tsjoklat: I see you have tried a few. Up till now I have tried about 6 but only been successfully able to load 3 and have found Xandros to be the best  .................. so far
[07:48] <bob2> Tsjoklat: chill out, please, and don't make unfair generalisations
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> Xandros is good Chris.. but not a lot of packages
[07:48] <bob2> Tsjoklat: I'm sorry you've had troubles with some maintainers, but the vast majority are nice people
[07:48] <Lathiat> dopey: haha
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> bob2: I never said they are not nice people
[07:49] <bob2> 16:46:35       Tsjoklat |  Debian: great, just forget the maintainers.. they invinted the word arsehole
[07:49] <dopey> hey Lathiat - havent see you around for a while.
[07:49] <Lathiat> Tsjoklat: wtf dude? lose the attitude
[07:49] <Lathiat> dopey: :)
[07:49] <bob2> JDahl: hrm, is that related to latex2html not being in Debian anymore?
[07:49] <Tsjoklat> Lathiat: get your facts straight: I am not a dude nor a chick
[07:49] <Lathiat> Tsjoklat: Yeh sure you get some bad people around but most of them are good guys, i know plenty of them
[07:49] <dopey> Lathiat: you be around in april ?
[07:49] <Tsjoklat> happy for you Lathiat
[07:49] <Chris1954> I suppose it's what you want really, do you play games write programs or just chat and email
[07:49] <Lathiat> dopey: hopefully
[07:49] <dopey> ace
[07:49] <Lathiat> dopey: partially depends on if my CFP was submitted
[07:49] <Lathiat> s/submitted/accepted
[07:50] <dopey> Lathiat: what topic ?
[07:50] <Lathiat> dopey: multicast dns service discovery
[07:50] <Lathiat> (rendezvous/opentalk)
[07:50] <dopey> interesting
[07:50] <Lathiat> mm
[07:50] <Lathiat> have i mentioned linux has lots of quirks that annoyed me? :)
[07:50] <dopey> desp: still around ?
[07:50] <JDahl> bob2, no - the packager simply forgot to include the "html" directory - and I expect he has a link to the python source html directory (or setup and environment var), that's why it works for him
[07:50] <Lathiat> getting interface specific multicast to work is unpossible
[07:50] <Lathiat> so far anyway
[07:50] <Lathiat> i must be doing something stupid
[07:51] <dopey> JDahl: is there a bug report ?
[07:51] <bob2> JDahl: which bug #?
[07:51] <JDahl> dopey, hang on.. I filed one a few months bag
[07:51] <JDahl> back
[07:51] <Lathiat> dopey: also depends on if my miniconf is accepted, which im in doubts about -- the committee expressed concerns its not "linux related" even tho ive run it for the past 2 years, its mostly been linux related etc (i have told them all this)
[07:51] <Lathiat> guess if i go not doing either itl be nice to be an antendee and not a presenter or organiser
[07:51] <dopey> Lathiat: i had fun, needed to turn on multicasting for a cluster monitoring tool.. didnt find much in the way of docs or tips about it. kinda blackmagick
[07:52] <mojo_> Anyone that wants newest Novell Ximian theme, please contact Tsjoklat, he got the link to get the package!
[07:52] <mojo_> Anyone that wants newest Novell Ximian theme, please contact Tsjoklat, he got the link to get the package!
[07:52] <Lathiat> dopey: heh multicast routing on linux is broken too, you can make it work on freebsd with some black magic
[07:52] <mirak_> linuxjones, you still here
[07:52] <Tsjoklat> she
[07:52] <Tsjoklat> hypa tattoe me a she on my head
[07:53] <mirak_> mirak, if you are here, i am sorry, my x broke, this is my default name, i kinda hafta use this name for a bit
[07:53] <mirak_> can anyone help me fix x?
[07:53] <hypa7ia> lol, Tsjoklat
[07:53] <mirak_> xfree
[07:53] <bob2> you can trivially change your nick
[07:53] <bob2>  /nick blahblah
[07:54] <Gwildor> bob2, thnx
[07:54] <koko775> hello again
[07:54] <JDahl> bob2, dopey: it seems to have been deleted. The maintainer just said "look, it works on my machine, bug report closed"
[07:54] <bob2> kkbugs aren't deleted
[07:54] <bob2> what number was it?
[07:54] <koko775> i'm running hoary, and i can't seem to get the nvidia binaries to work on my amd64 system
[07:55] <koko775> i followed the wiki's instructions
[07:55] <koko775> Xorg starts up fine
[07:55] <bob2> are there non-free nvidia drivers for amd64 in ubuntu?
[07:55] <koko775> but
[07:55] <koko775> glxinfo is weird
[07:55] <koko775> i used nvidia-glx
[07:55] <dopey> JDahl: you can't delete bugs - do you have the bug # ?
[07:56] <koko775> which (i think) required the linux-restricted-modules which was built for AMD64, yes
[07:56] <JDahl> dopey, bob2: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=274173&archive=yes
[07:57] <hypa7ia> hey anyone know of any quick ram check apps?
[07:57] <hypa7ia> i don't need to do a full check, just a "it's sufficiently hosed for me to get a return at the store" kinda check
[07:57] <koko775> there's a boot disk which does that with memtest86 or something
[07:57] <koko775> google for it i guess?
[07:57] <hypa7ia> memtest86 seems to take forever
[07:57] <koko775> well, that's the only way to be sure eh?
[07:58] <desp> dopey: yeah?
[07:58] <Lathiat> hypa7ia: memtest86 loops forever, it does take along time to do one test tho
[07:58] <desp> dopey: ah...are "there"? can you be a little more specific? :)
[07:58] <Lathiat> generally if you leave it running for 24-48 hours and it doesnt find an error your probably right
[07:58] <Lathiat> just one cycle doesnt prove its dodgy
[07:59] <koko775> anyway, about the nvidia-glx thing, any suggestions on what might be wrong when it gives me the following: name of display: :0.0
[07:59] <koko775> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:59] <koko775> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:59] <koko775> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:59] <koko775> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual
[07:59] <koko775> Segmentation Fault
[07:59] <bob2> koko775: did your kernel oops?
[07:59] <dopey> desp: they exist in the repostory, just arent linked from the webpage
[07:59] <koko775> what do you mean?
[08:00] <dopey> JDahl: interesting, nothing in debian seems to provide /usr/lib/python2.3/doc/
[08:00] <dopey> desp: one sec, i'll poke it
[08:00] <koko775> XOrg and Ubuntu boot up fine...there's a short delay before i get the login screen, but no nvidia logo
[08:00] <koko775> and i didn't have the delay before
[08:00] <desp> dopey: ahh, I see, it's your page :)
[08:00] <JDahl> dopey: /usr/lib/python2.3/doc/html, you mean?
[08:01] <koko775> it's a GF FX 5900 so the nvidia-glx should work :/
[08:01] <koko775> but isn't
[08:02] <Rene_S> Well that was the longest hour of my life
[08:02] <hypa7ia> lol, welcome back Rene_S
[08:02] <koko775> i tried commenting out the GLCore thing, etc as per the README.Debian instructions, and changing the driver from nv to nvidia with the same result
[08:02] <JDahl> I am pretty sure that my bugreport is solid... I use latex2html with python alot - and I have a completely standard python installation from testing (on my machine at work, at least)
[08:03] <desp> dopey: I tried adding the http://logicvortex.net/dists/ sid main repository, but synaptic complains about not having found the powerpc packages list .gz file
[08:04] <dopey> desp: i dont currently have access to a powerpc computer, thus cannot build packages
[08:05] <desp> dopey: so how can I get the source? add the rep as deb-src?
[08:05] <desp> sorry if that's a silly question, I'm new to all this
[08:06] <dopey> one second, please
[08:07] <koko775> nobody has any suggestions?
[08:07] <koko775> hmm, i'll go and try fixing it on my own another few times
[08:08] <dopey> desp: reload that page. the deb-src though should work, as well
[08:10] <Rene_S> hypa7ia, thanks, damned upgrade,  somehow i managed to install Ubuntu without an xserver
[08:10] <hypa7ia> eeek!
[08:10] <hypa7ia> that;s craaazy
[08:10] <hypa7ia> i otoh have half a gig of dead ram
[08:10] <sap> to get quicktime working within firefox do i install mozilla-plugin-vlc
[08:11] <Rene_S> I would be returning that for sure
[08:11] <dopey> desp: if you still have problems, i could build you a ppc package
[08:12] <desp> dopey: thanks, I'll try it myself first
[08:12] <dopey> desp: no problems.
[08:13] <dopey> Rene_S: somehow an install i did at work managed the same, i had to pull in the ubuntu-desktop task by hand, then all was well
[08:14] <Rene_S> dopey, thanks, for telling me that now I feel like a smuck as much :)
[08:14] <Dee> Hello!
[08:14] <Rene_S> dont feel like a shmuck as much
[08:15] <Rene_S> apparently my english went with the x server, awol
[08:20] <Rene_S> Wow land of the dead in here this evening
[08:21] <Tsjoklat> new moon Rene
[08:22] <Rene_S> What ? everyone off there meds or did they turn into pumpkins ?
[08:24] <JDahl> speaking of pumpkins: here's a funny slashdot link (since you're bored), http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=123410&cid=10367845
[08:26] <Rene_S> Call me dense, but I failed to see the humour in that post
[08:26] <JDahl> you did?
[08:27] <koko775> okay, i solved the problem
[08:27] <koko775> turns out nvidia-glx only modifies the XFree config file
[08:27] <koko775> not the xorg.conf
[08:27] <koko775> so i changed it
[08:27] <desp> is anyone using GGV (the gnome .ps viewer)?  it doesn't seem to support my mouse scrollwheel correctly (i.e. as other programs do)
[08:27] <koko775> lots of weird stuff happened
[08:27] <koko775> and finally i just modified both
[08:27] <koko775> and rebooted once or twice
[08:27] <koko775> and it worked
[08:27] <Rene_S> Yeah, it could be one of them time delayed jokes and around 4 in the morning I will wake up my neighbours with hysterical laugher. or not.
[08:28] <JDahl> I guess only time will tell...
[08:28] <koko775> glxgears 7194 fps. oh yes.
[08:29] <Rene_S> Don't mind me I am just old, and I think I am going senile
[08:29] <desp> 261 fps :(
[08:30] <desp> is this how it should be on an ATI Radeon 7000?
[08:30] <hypa7ia> Desp: nos
[08:30] <hypa7ia> err no
[08:30] <desp> hypa7ia: any ideas what should I do, then?
[08:30] <Rene_S> 16667 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3333.400 FPS
[08:31] <Rene_S> 49581 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9916.200 FPS
[08:32] <Rene_S> Yeah like i will ever see that in a game
[08:32] <koko775> how do i install java?
[08:32] <koko775> <--trying to get azureus installed
[08:32] <fabbione> glxgear is not a reliable benchmark
[08:32] <fabbione> plus
[08:32] <fabbione> your eye can't see more than 25? fps
[08:32] <fabbione> so even if you get 250 fps
[08:32] <Rene_S> 30
[08:32] <koko775> the computer can certainly tell
[08:32] <fabbione> or 7000
[08:32] <JDahl> koko775, you can go to blackdown.org or get a binary build from java.sun.com
[08:32] <koko775> it isn't a comprehensive test, of course
[08:33] <koko775> i went to java.sun.com
[08:33] <fabbione> it makes no difference for your brain reception speed of images
[08:33] <koko775> but i'm not sure how to install it
[08:33] <koko775> the bin just extracted stuff
[08:33] <Rene_S> Oh no, I believe everything my computer tells me is fair, reliable and objective
[08:33] <JDahl> koko775, extract it to where you want it... that's it (as far as I remember)
[08:34] <visor> koko775: just install the bin, symlink the java binary and the plugin to the mozilla plugin directory and youre done
[08:34] <koko775> if i want to run it from anywhere, where do i put the man, lib, and bin files?
[08:34] <koko775> er, to run azureus?
[08:34] <visor> koko775: by default jre 1.5 installs on /usr/java so that'll do it
[08:35] <visor> koko775: i did that
[08:35] <visor> koko775: i run azureus very well
[08:35] <visor> koko775: with jre 1.5
[08:36] <koko775> not /usr/local?
[08:37] <visor> koko775: i guess you can pass something to the installer, for me /usr/java is better
[08:38] <koko775> root@ip-216-117-219-153:/home/andy/azureus # /usr/java/bin/java Azureus2
[08:38] <koko775> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Azureus2
[08:39] <visor> uhmm well what jre do you have?
[08:40] <koko775> jre1.5.0
[08:40] <Treenaks> why are you messing with azureus? there's bittornado, which works fine without java
[08:40] <visor> oddabe19, i just installed some days ago azureus and jre 1.5.0 and everything went fine
[08:40] <gen> azureus > *
[08:40] <punkass> i installed java-package and got the jre1.5.0 file and it makes a deb for you that you can install then java works system wide
[08:41] <koko775> i'd like to install azureus, not out of ignorance but by choice, Treenaks
[08:41] <visor> koko775: hey, did you installed it in the default prefix?
[08:41] <punkass> i use azureus..works well
[08:42] <arun--> you have to add the bin directory of java in $PATH
[08:42] <koko775> ah
[08:42] <arun--> and create a new env variable $CLASSPATH  which will have the current working dir in it
[08:42] <arun--> that is  '.'
[08:42] <koko775> will that be persistent?
[08:42] <koko775> if i change $PATH
[08:42] <koko775> and reboot
[08:42] <bob2> no
[08:42] <arun--> it depends
[08:43] <koko775> where do i change $PATH?
[08:43] <arun--> if you run gdm
[08:43] <koko775> which I do
[08:43] <punkass> use java-package it works great
[08:43] <arun--> then it will be /etc/gdm/gdm.conf something like it
[08:43] <arun--> i dot use gdm
[08:43] <arun--> so i use /etc/profile
[08:43] <arun--> dont
[08:44] <visor> koko775: i did nothing and azureus ran well
[08:44] <punkass> could you just but a symlink in /usr/bin to the java binary
[08:44] <koko775> visor: well
[08:44] <koko775> it's still not working doing nothing
[08:44] <visor> koko775: azureus has a shell script wich looks for the java bin in /usr/java
[08:44] <visor> koko775: what file youre opening?
[08:44] <koko775> Azureus2.jar
[08:45] <arun--> what is the error you get? NoClassDefFound?
[08:45] <koko775> right
[08:46] <visor> nopo
[08:46] <visor> haha
[08:46] <visor> koko775: thats not
[08:46] <visor> koko775: the one
[08:46] <koko775> running just "azureus" tells me i need 1.4 or newer
[08:46] <visor> koko775: you should open the shell script, not the jar directly
[08:46] <visor> mmm
[08:46] <visor> wich version of ubuntu youre running?
[08:47] <koko775> hoary
[08:47] <djtansey_> is there a way to do a network install of ubuntu? preferably a network install CD -- i have no floppy and don't wnat to download all the stuff i don't need. thanks
[08:48] <hypa7ia> djtansey_: not at the moment afaik
[08:48] <visor> koko775: well something maybe that has to do with libraries, i have warthy
[08:48] <arun--> koko775: if you want to execute the application from anywhere, you need to define a $CLASSPATH env and add the jar file ot the classpath
[08:48] <hypa7ia> for now i'd just grab the iso djtansey_
[08:48] <punkass> if u wanna use java-package here is a great little howto
[08:48] <punkass> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/251593
[08:48] <koko775> how do i define those?
[08:48] <punkass> that sets up all your paths etc
[08:49] <djtansey_> hypa7ia: i am... again. PITA -- downloaded it from the primary UK site and the iso was corrupted! quit after recording just a bit of it. happen to know any good US mirrors?
[08:49] <Treenaks> djtansey_: take the "broken" ISO and use rsync to fix it
[08:49] <djtansey_> hypa: that can get more than the 115 K/s i'm getting from using archive.ubuntu.com's jigdo file
[08:49] <Treenaks> djtansey_: or use the .torrent
[08:50] <djtansey_> Tree: tried the torrent. after a few hours it was only downloading at 2.5 K/s
[08:50] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks: torrent junkie :P
[08:50] <Treenaks> djtansey_: I'll seed :)
[08:50] <punkass> koko775: at the bottom of the page is the one you want
[08:50] <hypa7ia> i found the spain mirror to be good
[08:50] <djtansey_> Tree: how might i do rsync? would it just rewrite the file? how does it fix it?
[08:50] <koko775> gtg
[08:50] <hypa7ia> djtansey_: rsync syncs only the different bits
[08:50] <Tsjoklat> I usually use the German ones
[08:50] <djtansey_> Treenaks: if you feel like it. can i just use the regular torrent?
[08:50] <Treenaks> djtansey_: afaik it does checksums of chunks or something
[08:51] <Treenaks> djtansey_: uh.. if it's still the same yes
[08:51] <Tsjoklat> <-- hogs Treenaks bw
[08:51] <Treenaks> warty-install-i386.iso.torrent
[08:51] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: I have 100mbit.. you have a modem 8)
[08:51] <Tsjoklat> you would NOT mention that ever again
[08:51] <Tsjoklat> lol
[08:51] <Tsjoklat> and what are you using? glas kabel?
[08:52] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: ethernet
[08:52] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: colocated machine
[08:52] <Tsjoklat> misselijk
[08:52] <Tsjoklat> got a room to spare Tree?
[08:53] <hypa7ia> i got 8MB/s from york u to u of toronto
[08:53] <hypa7ia> yay debian mirror
[08:53] <djtansey_> Tree: i'm using the torrent from archives.ubuntu.com
[08:53] <Treenaks> djtansey_: I got it there as well, but I don't know if it's changed
[08:53] <Rene_S> Bandwidth thief
[08:54] <Tsjoklat> I feel like I am in the dark ages
[08:54] <hypa7ia> hey, it was perfectly legit Rene_S
[08:54] <Rene_S> Sure sure
[08:54] <Skif> Tsjoklat: hey, so did I... I had DSL before I moved here, and when I got here, no DSL, no cable modem, nothing...
[08:54] <Treenaks> this is not working ("Seeding at 1kb/s")
[08:54] <Sepero> I got 10k/s over dialup a couple times before
[08:54] <Tsjoklat> isn't that horrible Skif?
[08:54] <Skif> I never realized how badly I was suffering with dialup until I had alternatives!
[08:54] <Rene_S> I'll believe ya, millions would'nt but I will :)
[08:54] <Tsjoklat> I had cable modem, then DSL and now dial-up
[08:55] <Tsjoklat> the word alone should be forbidden
[08:55] <gen> dialup haha
[08:55] <Skif> Tsjoklat: well, I hooked up with cwx.net, a local 802.11 co-op ISP
[08:55] <hypa7ia> it was!  i was installing debian on a box for a campus club
[08:55] <hypa7ia> 2.5 gigs in 15 minutes :-)
[08:55] <djtansey_> Tree: running rsync now. also running bt. getting 2 K/s.
[08:55] <Tsjoklat> hypa does clubs?
[08:55] <hypa7ia> tronical: not many
[08:55] <Rene_S> There's no one at the sex ed centre
[08:55] <Skif> And now Comcast is offering cable modem now... I'm tempted, but it might screw up my IPSec tunnel to work :-\
[08:56] <Tsjoklat> I'll settle for sex ed hypa since that will be the closest to sex I'll ever get
[08:56] <tronical> hypa7ia: hm, that's not too much :)
[08:56] <Rene_S> its Friday, there out having sex
[08:56] <Tsjoklat> I d/l from a friend who has DSL
[08:56] <Tsjoklat> just have to drive over there to burn it
[08:56] <Tsjoklat> thanks for reminding me of that Rene
[08:56] <Tsjoklat> praise the Lord hypa is too busy with setting up her sex club to be out there
[08:57] <Rene_S> Your welcome, look at it this way, I am in the same boat
[08:57] <Tsjoklat> you're married
[08:57] <Tsjoklat> last time I checked
[08:57] <Rene_S> I am never having sex again, because of that
[08:57] <Tsjoklat> oh knock up
[08:57] <Tsjoklat> traumatized Rene
[08:58] <Rene_S> I used to have sex, now I just read about it in the papers
[08:58] <Tsjoklat> should have gone to hypa's club Rene
[08:58] <Treenaks> Rene_S: so you're one of the gene pool life guards 8)
[08:58] <Rene_S> LOL
[08:58] <Rene_S> I like that
[08:58] <Rene_S> Gonna remember that one
[08:58] <Tsjoklat> Tree: original :)
[08:58] <Tsjoklat> it sounds better then having to say you don't do it Rene
[08:58] <Tsjoklat> heck I am going to put it in my signature
[08:59] <djtansey_> who here has used hoary? i saw it had evolution 2.1.0 -- can you not install the devel version? i need my email to be accessible, after all (thinking of doing an upgrade to hoary before reinstalling. have this odd sound problem that just won't go away -- all sound is now considerably more quiet than it was a couple weeks ago. i don't think i did anything to cause it)
[08:59] <Tsjoklat> ta Tree
[08:59] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: np :)
[08:59] <Tsjoklat> :)
[08:59] <Tsjoklat> that site you directed me to Tree is hilarious
[08:59] <Tsjoklat> I like the Ikea one
[08:59] <hypa7ia> that's super weird djtansey_
[08:59] <Rene_S> I deleted Evolution entirely, using Thunderbird
[09:00] <Tsjoklat> I am still batling with gpg
[09:00] <gen> yea hoary has 2.1.0 evo, but i use thunderbird also
[09:00] <Tsjoklat> evo hates it
[09:00] <Tsjoklat> TB uses it just fine
[09:00] <Tsjoklat> that reminds me Tree... I still can't read any of your mails
[09:00] <Tsjoklat> are you sure you typed something? :P
[09:00] <Rene_S> I just found 2.1 to not work as I would have expected
[09:00] <defendguin> ubuntu uses ext3 by default dont they?
[09:00] <gen> yea
[09:00] <djtansey_> hypa: yup. i found someone else in #ubuntu who said it happened to them. they just reinstalled. i've tried reinstalling gstreamer, rhythmbox, using different kernels. don't know what happened. but now it's so quiet i have ot have PCM on 100 just to really hear it decently (though with PCM at 100 you get cracks)
[09:00] <jml> Sorry to repeat the question. Does anyone have any experience with using an Audigy on ubuntu, particularly w/ using Line In?
[09:00] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: yeah, quite sure
[09:01] <defendguin> fuck
[09:01] <hypa7ia> nope jml, sorry
[09:01] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: what does enigmail say about the message? does it crash? beep? burn?
[09:01] <Tsjoklat> would you be mighty upset if I flooded you  next week with more emails?
[09:01] <jml> hypa7ia: np
[09:01] <Tsjoklat> no... none of that but it basicly tells me to F off
[09:01] <Tsjoklat> you sit in my inbox
[09:01] <Tsjoklat> all nice but you don't say nothing
[09:02] <Tsjoklat> have no clue what you are talking about jml sorry
[09:02] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: go right ahead
[09:02] <Tsjoklat> I really need to fix it... but I am getting really discouraged
[09:02] <Lathiat> djtansey_: what sound card is this?
[09:02] <Lathiat> djtansey_: sometimes they have a master and PCM channel, have to turn master up as well
[09:02] <Tsjoklat> I think I'll try again on monday Tree... a bit peeved with my email right now
[09:03] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: ok
[09:03] <Patric1> good morning
[09:03] <mojo_> Check out new Industrial theme for Ubuntu at: http://opax.swin.edu.au/~2529386/ABC.png
[09:03] <Tsjoklat> btw.. which one do you like better? straw/liferea or blam!
[09:03] <Sepero> Anyone know why ubuntu doesn't use reiser as default?
[09:03] <Patric1> somebody can help me confiure TV out?
[09:03] <djtansey_> Lathiat: intel integrated
[09:04] <djtansey_> Lathiat: and have had master up to 100 as well
[09:04] <Patric1> got a quistion about adding the lines in Xfree
[09:04] <hypa7ia> mojo_: that theme is awesome
[09:04] <Lathiat> djtansey_: works fine for me, sure your using headphone out and not line out?
[09:05] <mojo_> thx
[09:05] <djtansey_> Lathiat: only have one line-out. it worked fine for me while using the preview and for weeks after that. then one weekend poof!
[09:05] <Lathiat> also gstreamer apps have their own volume control as well
[09:05] <Lathiat> try cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp, to see if its an application/gstreamer thing?
[09:05] <djtansey_> Lathiat: tried it with gmplayer and a bunch of other things.
[09:06] <Lathiat> odd
[09:06] <Lathiat> so was your kernel upgraded?
[09:06] <djtansey_> lathiat: nope. at least not consciously. tried 2.6.7 from 2.8.1
[09:06] <Patric1> anybody can help me a little bit?
[09:06] <djtansey_> 2.6.8.1
[09:06] <Lathiat> try another kernel
[09:06] <Lathiat> hand compile one
[09:06] <Lathiat> see if that fixes it
[09:07] <Lathiat> i know 2.6.8 to work
[09:07] <djtansey_> Lathiat: may try that. but 2.6.7 and 2.6.8.1 didn't work. and some ubuntu one did before. so i don't know what's up
[09:09] <Lathiat> woo, just realised that the synaptics driver in xorg doesnt break on resume
[09:09] <hypa7ia> nice Lathiat
[09:10] <hypa7ia> the synaptics driver is so amazing
[09:10] <hypa7ia> it's like 100x better than the windoze one
[09:15] <Patric1> can somebody give me a good howto to configure xfree to watch movies on the tv
[09:15] <Lathiat> Patric1: well it depends on your video card among other things
[09:15] <Patric1> Nvidia FX5600
[09:16] <Patric1> i'm a little config edditing scared :-)
[09:19] <Patric1> i found one in german, but my german ends at coursing
[09:20] <Lathiat> heh
[09:20] <Lathiat> just google around, should be one
[09:20] <Skif> that's about all, but really, isn't that enough for most purposes?
[09:20] <Tsjoklat> that's super handy Skif
[09:20] <Tsjoklat> what more do you need
[09:21] <Buzzz> is it possible to get a newser version of firefox in warty?
[09:21] <Buzzz> newer
[09:23] <Lathiat> hrm... i ordered 140 ubuntu cds and the sie reports it only mailed me 50, gah
[09:23] <Lathiat> oh well
[09:26] <punkass> Lathiat: how do did u find that out?
[09:29] <Lathiat> punkass: it tells you when you login to shipit
[09:29] <tronical> Lathiat: maybe there's a quota on much you can buy ;-)
[09:30] <Lathiat> yeh possibly
[09:30] <Lathiat> i did have a reason for requesting that many tho
[09:30] <punkass> hmm not for me..just lets me change my info
[09:30] <Lathiat> i mean i assume lots of people went stupid so they probably toned them down
[09:30] <Lathiat> punkass: that means your order hasnt started shipping yet
[09:30] <punkass> ah
[09:30] <Lathiat> mine has, so ner :)
[09:31] <punkass> heeh
[09:34] <thx1138> Hi, i've discovered a minor bug in passepartout (in Universe). Can I make a bugreport via bugzilla, even if it's in Universe ?
[09:35] <Lathiat> thx1138: is it an actual program bug?
[09:36] <thx1138> it's a packaging bug : the launcher doesn't show up in GNOME menu, even after delogging/relogging
[09:36] <Lathiat> ah right
[09:37] <Lathiat> quite a few packages dont have launchers
[09:37] <bob2> thx1138: that's not a bug
[09:37] <bob2> and no, don't report universe bugs in our bugzilla
[09:37] <thx1138> ok
[09:38] <thx1138> that's why i asked, before doing a silly thing ;)
[09:38] <thx1138> thanks guys
[09:38] <bob2> you're welcome
[09:49] <Buzzz> is it possible to get a newer version of firefox in warty?
[09:49] <daniels> no
[09:49] <Buzzz> daniels, ok.
[09:50] <Lathiat> heh
[09:50] <tronical> moin daniels
[09:50] <Tsjoklat> daniels.. I read that going to xorg could bust your synaptic... is closing synaptic with a child error one of those things?
[09:52] <mvo_> Tsjoklat: what was the exact error and did it happen inside the synaptic terminal? or did it made synaptic crash?
[09:53] <Tsjoklat> mvo_ it didn't crash, it didn't happen in the synaptic terminal but after I closed it it popped up
[09:53] <daniels> Tsjoklat: not that I'm aware of, only 'oh crap libx11 hates your locale'
[09:53] <Tsjoklat> with that error saying: child error etc.
[09:53] <daniels> tronical: hey dude, sup?
[09:53] <mvo_> Tsjoklat: was that a message from gksudo maybe?
[09:53] <Tsjoklat> could be mvo_
[09:53] <Tsjoklat> synaptic runs fine... just when I close it
[09:53] <tronical> daniels: pondering to play around with ubuntu. _very_ attractive, seeing all the debian core devels working on it :)
[09:54] <daniels> tronical: you should give it a shot.  i hear it's really cool!
[09:54] <Tsjoklat> but ubu is changing to another su right?
[09:54] <mvo_> Tsjoklat: does it happen all the time or only sometimes?
[09:54] <tronical> daniels: you hear? don't play the innocent ;-)
[09:54] <Tsjoklat> mvo_ sometimes
[09:54] <shoey> how do you start the gui in ubuntu because "startx" doesnt work
[09:55] <moyogo> shoey: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[09:55] <shoey> thanks
[09:55] <daniels> tronical: apparently the X packages rock :P
[09:55] <Tsjoklat> mvo_ it is not bothering the crap out of me, I just wondered if it was a known bug
[09:55] <tronical> daniels: what's your experience with upgrading testing machines to warty?
[09:55] <mvo_> Tsjoklat: it would be nice if you could submit a bugreport with the exact error message then. I have seen it here, but only very rarely
[09:56] <Tsjoklat> alright next time it does it again, I'll write down the exact wording and file it
[09:56] <daniels> tronical: given I've never run a sarge machine -- none
[09:56] <mvo_> Tsjoklat: if you are lazy just make a screenshot of the window ;)
[09:56] <daniels> tronical: should work fine though
[09:56] <Treenaks> daniels: how many people have promised to give you alcoholic beverages? :)
[09:56] <Tsjoklat> mvo_ that is okay to do?
[09:57] <mvo_> yes
[09:57] <tronical> daniels: ok, that sounds optimistic
[09:57] <mvo_> you should be able to get only the error message with gimp :)
[09:57] <Tsjoklat> so you have to make a screenshot through gimp
[09:57] <Tsjoklat> since screenshot is removed/not working
[09:57] <daniels> Treenaks: a fair few.  there's even an offer of red wine in there, to mix it up with the beer
[09:57] <mvo_> Tsjoklat: oh yeah, the joy of hoary ...
[09:58] <Tsjoklat> mvo_ gotta love it
[09:58] <Treenaks> daniels: so you'll be drunk all the time at the conference? :)
[09:58] <Tsjoklat> pictures Tree... loads of it
[09:58] <Tsjoklat> I want to see daniels loaded and doing table dances
[09:58] <Skif> Treenaks: don't be silly.  He'll have to sleep sometime.
[09:58] <Skif> Tsjoklat: No.  You don't.
[09:58] <Skif> Trust me on this.
[09:58] <Tsjoklat> he can sleep on his way home Skif?
[09:59] <Tsjoklat> I can do with a laugh Skif
[09:59] <daniels> Treenaks: good god dude, I need to get some work done too
[09:59] <Skif> Don't say I didn't warn you :)
[09:59] <daniels> Skif: ... i never danced on any tables.
[09:59] <Skif> daniels: and now's not the time to start :)
[09:59] <Tsjoklat> you  haven't been loaded enough yet daniels.. that's all
[10:00] <daniels> Skif: exactly.
[10:00] <Tsjoklat> but thanks for the warning Skif lol
[10:00] <shoey> moyogo: i must be missing something because i dont have that gdm file
[10:00] <moyogo> shoey: hmmm
[10:01] <Tsjoklat> whoever fixed Alexandria: thanks!
[10:01] <moyogo> shoey: do you have the package "gdm" installed?
[10:02] <shoey> not sure
[10:02] <moyogo> shoey: what does "dpkg-query -s gdm" show?
[10:02] <Tsjoklat> next bibshelf
[10:02] <moyogo> shoey: that's really weird, if it's not installed, it should be by default
[10:03] <shoey> installing now
[10:03] <shoey> sorry i went starght to apt-get
[10:03] <shoey> straight
[10:04] <Tsjoklat> is there any news about the trash appelt?
[10:04] <Tsjoklat> applet too
[10:04] <moyogo> shoey: whatever works ;)
[10:05] <JDahl> I'm gonna risk going off-topic: anyone compiled xemacs from cvs and got buffer-taps working?
[10:07] <shoey> no kde ?
[10:08] <moyogo> shoey: kde is available, but on universe i believe
[10:09] <moyogo> shoey: the default desktop is gnome
[10:13] <shoey> i got gnome to nearly start but got an error
[10:14] <] Cyphre[> Hi all, I'm an Ubuntu newbie...and I have a problem
[10:15] <hypa7ia> what's up ] 
[10:15] <hypa7ia> err ] Cyphre[
[10:15] <Tsjoklat> hey Ruffian
[10:15] <Ruffian|JANE|> hi
[10:15] <] Cyphre[> I installed the system from CD but when I reboot it says "GRUB, loading please wait..." one second after this message i got "Error 18" message..anyon could help me with this?
[10:15] <VileScum> Hi, I've been mirroring ubuntu in Australia for a whil enow and have listed my mirror on th ewiki, how do I go about getting it listed on the mirror page, I've emailed the address listed but have had no response
[10:16] <Ruffian|JANE|> ] Cyphre[  what distro did you have installed before?
[10:16] <hypa7ia> VileScum: check in ubuntu-devel, they might know
[10:16] <VileScum> ta
[10:16] <hypa7ia> ] Cyphre[: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/003145.html
[10:17] <] Cyphre[> Ruffian: I installed the latest 4.10 version from the downloaded ISO image
[10:17] <Ruffian|JANE|> ] Cyphre[ what did you have installed before Ubuntu
[10:18] <] Cyphre[> Ah thanks for the link! I'll try it and let you know...
[10:18] <Tsjoklat> hypa do you use UTF8?
[10:18] <hypa7ia> Tsjoklat: yup
[10:18] <] Cyphre[> There was Win2K system before..but I select erase whole disk during the ubuntu instalation
[10:19] <Tsjoklat> I am a tad confused... I read that using UTF isn't that great
[10:19] <Tsjoklat> so why would ubu want to go all the way UTF
[10:19] <hypa7ia> Tsjoklat: i think it's great, there's space for kanji and such
[10:19] <hypa7ia> it makes internationalization easier Tsjoklat
[10:19] <Tsjoklat> for what?
[10:19] <Tsjoklat> what is kanji hypa?
[10:19] <hypa7ia> kanji == japanese chars
[10:20] <Tsjoklat> oh hai
[10:20] <Skif> and arabic, korean, cryllic....
[10:20] <Tsjoklat> well I still have issues with my funky characters
[10:20] <Tsjoklat> it sometimes does it... and sometimes it doesn't
[10:20] <Tsjoklat> plus it is hard to do with a dual windows box
[10:20] <Skif> I don't remember if it has tengwar or not.
[10:20] <Tsjoklat> windows does not like utf8
[10:21] <] Cyphre[> cool..I changed in the BIOS from LBA to NORMAL and it look it boots ;) Thanks for the help!
[10:21] <Skif> windows is all utf, eh
[10:21] <hypa7ia> yay ] Cyphre[!
[10:21] <Skif> your font may not have glyphs for what you're seeing, but that's a different problem.
[10:22] <Tsjoklat> I am mostly talking about French letters
[10:22] <Tsjoklat> and the baggage on top of them
[10:22] <hypa7ia> yeah, for some reason i have issues with them too
[10:22] <hypa7ia> on devrait bugreporter ca, eh Tsjoklat?
[10:22] <Tsjoklat> can't even type my own name lol
[10:23] <Tsjoklat> since it is French
[10:23] <hypa7ia> lol
[10:23] <Tsjoklat> hamana hypa?
[10:23] <Tsjoklat> I hope not Skif
[10:23] <Ruffian|JANE|> Whats your Router IP hypa7ia??
[10:23] <Skif> cat's asleep on my other hand
[10:23] <Tsjoklat> devrait?
[10:23] <moyogo> shoey: what's the error?
[10:23] <hypa7ia> Ruffian|JANE|: 67.71.87.38
[10:23] <Ruffian|JANE|> ok
[10:23] <Tsjoklat> I am lost with you hypa
[10:23] <hypa7ia> pourquoi?
[10:23] <Tsjoklat> what do you mean by devrait bugreporter ca?
[10:24] <hypa7ia> nous devrons je voulais dire
[10:24] <muhahaha> i think i need xorg-devel to compile an app, im using hoary repos, but xorg-devel is not there... any ideas?
[10:24] <moyogo> y'a #ubuntu-fr pour les francophiles
[10:24] <hypa7ia> muhahaha: got universe enabled?
[10:25] <hypa7ia> lol moyogo, i was just teasing Tsjoklat really :-)
[10:25] <Tsjoklat> eventually hypa
[10:25] <muhahaha> yes hypa7ia
[10:25] <Tsjoklat> yes me be pissing pole tonight :P
[10:26] <Skif> well daniels would be the guy to ask, but he's sightseeing right now
[10:26] <daniels> (not quite yet)
[10:26] <Tsjoklat> for beer?
[10:26] <daniels> Tsjoklat: i've been threatened with death if I don't come back with lots of photos
[10:26] <Skif> no, for photos
[10:26] <daniels> Tsjoklat: i answer to a higher master than #ubuntu
[10:27] <Tsjoklat> which is?
[10:27] <hypa7ia> photos of what?
[10:27] <daniels> muhahaha: which app are you trying to compile?
[10:27] <daniels> hypa7ia: copenhagen, while I'm visiting
[10:27] <daniels> Tsjoklat: guess
[10:27] <Tsjoklat> does this mean you are going to send us pics of you daniels?
[10:27] <Skif> daniels: leave! you'll be here all day, otherwise!
[10:27] <daniels> heh, ni
[10:27] <daniels> Skif: almost
[10:27] <Tsjoklat> I am so lost
[10:27] <hypa7ia> cool, daniels
[10:27] <hypa7ia> lol
[10:27] <daniels> Skif: just waiting to drag all the photos off the cf card on to my laptop before I go, so I have room
[10:27] <Tsjoklat> hypa do you know how to set epiphany as default browser for opening in abi etc.?
[10:28] <Tsjoklat> ta hyap I so needed that
[10:28] <Skif> good plan
[10:28] <Tsjoklat> hypa too
[10:28] <Tsjoklat> if I didn't know better I would expect my period to arrive any second
[10:28] <Tsjoklat> so dense today
[10:28] <daniels> Skif: yeah, 256MB's the objective here
[10:28] <Tsjoklat> their too
[10:29] <muhahaha> daniels, baghira 0.6
[10:29] <Skif> Tsjoklat: eh, not like I haven't heard the word before or anything
[10:29] <hypa7ia> Tsjoklat: dunno squat about epiphany, sorry :-/
[10:29] <Tsjoklat> oh I don't have doubts you haven't but men tend to fear the event more then being circumsized
[10:29] <Tsjoklat> anyhuuu
[10:30] <Tsjoklat> don't mean epiph.. just how to set it to be the default browser
[10:30] <Tsjoklat> I should really give up for today lol
[10:30] <daniels> muhahaha: try xlibs-dev
[10:30] <daniels> Skif: yeah, that's aboot right, eh? :)
[10:30] <daniels> (bloody usb 1.1)
[10:30] <GammaRay> anyone know where I can find the gdm wm scripts?
[10:31] <Skif> I never got that; I'm always happy when my SO has yer period.  Sure beats the alternative. :)
[10:31] <Skif> daniels: too right, mate! :)
[10:31] <Tsjoklat> which is?
[10:31] <Skif> s/yer/her/
[10:31] <muhahaha> daniels,  do yo know if repositoresof hoary ar working? then give me an error qhen i do apt-get udapte
[10:31] <Tsjoklat> oh
[10:31] <Tsjoklat> being preggers
[10:31] <daniels> muhahaha: yes, they're working fine.  what error do you get?
[10:31] <Tsjoklat> ding dong
[10:31] <muhahaha> Err http://archive.ubuntu.org hoary-updates/main Release
[10:32] <muhahaha>   Connection failed
[10:32] <Tsjoklat> hypa you got some stamps I can lick for your club? it might be the only thing I am good for as of now
[10:32] <hypa7ia> lol
[10:33] <hypa7ia> alas, i'm just the accountant + IT person, don't get to do any of the exciting stuff
[10:33] <Adrenal> um, my panel, is gone
[10:33] <Adrenal> how can i create a new one
[10:33] <hypa7ia> like OMG give talks in high schools :-)
[10:33] <Tsjoklat> as in giving examples? :P
[10:33] <Adrenal> with nothing to click on?
[10:33] <daniels> muhahaha: just a transient problem, it'll fix itself sooner or later
[10:33] <Tsjoklat> oh I want to do that
[10:33] <Tsjoklat> give talks
[10:33] <daniels> muhahaha: probably something between your isp and where archive.ubuntu.com is hosted
[10:33] <hypa7ia> Adrenal: are the top and bottom ones gone?
[10:33] <Adrenal> yes
[10:33] <muhahaha> ok daniels so i better wait
[10:33] <Adrenal> i made it so i only have one
[10:33] <muhahaha> yesterday they worked
[10:33] <Adrenal> but when i booted uo
[10:34] <Adrenal> it was gone
[10:34] <Adrenal> restarting doesn't help
[10:34] <Adrenal> is there any command?
[10:34] <Skif> Tsjokolat: http://www.countyoursheep.com/d/20041001.html
[10:35] <hypa7ia> Adrenal: just poiking around, give me a sec
[10:35] <Skif> er, Tsjoklat, even
[10:35] <Tsjoklat> same deal Skif
[10:35] <Adrenal> hypa7ia:thanls
[10:35] <Tsjoklat> nice one Skif :)
[10:35] <will> anyone tried KDE on ubuntu?
[10:36] <Skif> Count Your Sheep is my hero.
[10:36] <Adrenal> thats like asking if anyone has tried linux on a dell
[10:36] <hypa7ia> Adrenal: can you launch stuff?
[10:36] <Adrenal> no
[10:36] <visor> not me, but im thinking on installing k3b, i have no decent burning software on it :(
[10:36] <Adrenal> i can only get into gaim because i set it to autostart(thank God)
[10:36] <Skif> It's like The Incredibles-- nice, family-friendly, and rather subversive when you think about it. :)
[10:36] <will> Using anything KDE has bought me problems!!
[10:36] <hypa7ia> lol
[10:36] <visor> anyone has tried some gnome recording aplication?
[10:37] <Tsjoklat> I like it Skif :)
[10:37] <hypa7ia> oooh i know Adrenal.
[10:37] <will> just fully removed all packages to do with kde* kdesk* etc etc
[10:37] <Adrenal> wait a min, if the panels make files, could someone save theres, send it to me, and i launch it?
[10:37] <Adrenal> or doesn't it work that way?
[10:37] <hypa7ia> Adrenal: i bet that gnome-panel the application isn't running, is all
[10:37] <hypa7ia> we need to get it running
[10:37] <Skif> Adrenal: try logging out, and back in.
[10:37] <Adrenal> kk
[10:38] <Adrenal> wait a sec
[10:38] <Adrenal> how do i log out?
[10:38] <Skif> gnome-session should kick in and start it again
[10:38] <hypa7ia> Skif: he already tried that
[10:38] <Skif> Oh, okay, I missed that, soryr.
[10:38] <Adrenal> i tried changing sessions
[10:38] <hypa7ia> that's the same thing
[10:38] <hypa7ia> Adrenal: can you create a launcher on the desktop?
[10:38] <Adrenal> yes
[10:38] <Skif> Adrenal: try starting a terminal and running "gnome-panel" in it
[10:39] <Skif> see if you get any errors
[10:39] <Adrenal> command not found
[10:39] <Skif> yeah, that's a problem.
[10:39] <Adrenal> i just typed in 'gnome-panel'
[10:39] <Adrenal> and launcher doesn't seem to work either
[10:39] <hypa7ia> darn
[10:39] <hypa7ia> hmm
[10:39] <Skif> try installing "gnome-panel"
[10:39] <Adrenal> seems like a problem in the window manager
[10:40] <Tsjoklat> next the box explodes
[10:40] <Skif> Or rather, first do 'dpkg -l gnome-panel'
[10:40] <hypa7ia> Adrenal: run this:
[10:40] <stvn> hoezo?
[10:40] <Tsjoklat> wrong channel stv :P
[10:40] <hypa7ia> err argh, how to tell if something is installed from the command line with apt
[10:41] <Tsjoklat> dpkg -l filename
[10:41] <Adrenal> never mind
[10:41] <Tsjoklat> dpkg -L filename
[10:41] <hypa7ia> how about sudo apt-get install gnome-panel Adrenal
[10:41] <Tsjoklat> either or
[10:41] <Adrenal> i'll just install the cd
[10:41] <Tsjoklat> I can't think nomore
[10:41] <Adrenal> as the terminal is telling me to do
[10:41] <hypa7ia> Adrenal: are you in the livecd?
[10:41] <Adrenal> no
[10:42] <muhahaha> they are working fine now daniels lot of thanks
[10:42] <mojo_> damm it
[10:42] <hypa7ia> try the apt-get i mentioned, Adrenal
[10:42] <Adrenal> kk
[10:42] <Tsjoklat> wb mojo_
[10:42] <Adrenal> installing gnome panels
[10:42] <Adrenal> thanks guys
[10:42] <hypa7ia> yay!
[10:42] <mojo_> it takes too long for FireFox 1.0 debianized
[10:42] <Adrenal> when the world is mine, ur death will be quick and painless
[10:42] <hypa7ia> lol
[10:42] <hypa7ia> first against the wall!
[10:42] <Skif> 'guy' is frequently (but not always) gender-neutral :)
[10:43] <Lathiat> same as dude
[10:43] <Skif> don't call me dude, dude
[10:43] <Skif> (name THAT quote)
[10:43] <Adrenal> aww
[10:43] <Tsjoklat> you did it for me girl
[10:43] <hypa7ia> and this is a sufficiently gendered environment for me to feel the need to contest that label :-)
[10:43] <Adrenal> no weather:(
[10:43] <mojo_> hooray, I just succeed compiling VBA with GTK GUI, any one need it? pls raise hand!
[10:43] <hypa7ia> no weather?  you can add it...
[10:43] <Lathiat> "The cow says blank, three letters | Dude | Dude! (proceeds to write it down"
[10:43] <Lathiat> whats that off :)
[10:43] <Adrenal> nah, the applet is missing
[10:43] <hypa7ia> VBA?  WTF?
[10:44] <mojo_> VisualBoy Advance -
[10:44] <mojo_> Gameboy Advance emulator
[10:44] <Tsjoklat> VBA hypa come on
[10:44] <hypa7ia> Adrenal: might need to install it
[10:44] <Tsjoklat> you knew that one
[10:44] <Tsjoklat> *cough*
[10:44] <Skif> SHE, eh?  Hrm, you must read H. Rider Haggard before you use all upper-case again. :)
[10:44] <Adrenal> how?
[10:44] <hypa7ia> oooh i thought you meant visual basic for applications
[10:44] <Dougels> hi folks
[10:44] <hypa7ia> hence the WTF
[10:44] <hypa7ia> :-)
[10:44] <Tsjoklat> well hypa and I are usually named dudes
[10:44] <hypa7ia> lol
[10:44] <mojo_> lol
[10:44] <Tsjoklat> and when we say we are not dudes we are chickens
[10:44] <mojo_> dude, happy news
[10:44] <Skif> tweet tweet
[10:45] <mojo_> I just play around and remove all old dep in GNOME
[10:45] <Tsjoklat> pretty soon I am going to grow something extra...
[10:45] <Tsjoklat> baaaaah
[10:45] <mojo_> now all packages uses GCC 3.4
[10:45] <mojo_> all new lib
[10:45] <mojo_> hehe
[10:45] <mojo_> but it's still buggy
[10:45] <hypa7ia> Adrenal: not sure what you need to install to get it tho
[10:45] <Adrenal> meh
[10:45] <Adrenal> no biggy
[10:45] <Adrenal> firefox ext does it better anyway
[10:45] <hypa7ia> weird cuz i have it
[10:45] <hypa7ia> apparently it's sunny and -1
[10:45] <Tsjoklat> I am not happy with FF as of late
[10:46] <Tsjoklat> went to epip
[10:46] <hypa7ia> tho it's the middle of the night so sunny == wtf?
[10:46] <Tsjoklat> they are being optimistic hypa
[10:46] <hypa7ia> i guess so
[10:46] <Adrenal> ok
[10:46] <hypa7ia> gah, so cold in here
[10:46] <Adrenal> while i'm here
[10:46] <Tsjoklat> just like BBC always claims England is mostly cloudy
[10:46] <Tsjoklat> they don't do sun there
[10:46] <Adrenal> is there anyway to change gaim's colour scheme
[10:46] <Tsjoklat> or snow
[10:46] <Adrenal> ie-black background?
[10:46] <Adrenal> white text?
[10:48] <Tsjoklat> lol it is sunny and -1 here too hypa
[10:48] <Tsjoklat> you must be contagious
[10:48] <b_e_n_z> is jamie oliver famous in the UK?
[10:48] <Tsjoklat> he is benz
[10:48] <b_e_n_z> i saw his book at the bookstore
[10:49] <Tsjoklat> he is a cook
[10:49] <Tsjoklat> he does great things
[10:49] <hypa7ia> where are you at Tsjoklat?
[10:49] <Tsjoklat> but watching him on the tube is painful... use subtitles and remove the sound
[10:49] <Tsjoklat> right here hypa :)
[10:49] <Tsjoklat> CA right now
[10:49] <hypa7ia> Adrenal: not sure, poked around in the prefs and couldn't find it.  maybe check out gaim.sf.net
[10:49] <hypa7ia> coolcool
[10:50] <hypa7ia> i wanna go to CA for law school
[10:50] <Tsjoklat> Dutch lived mostly in the UK now in CA
[10:50] <Tsjoklat> you do? what city are you thinking about?
[10:50] <hypa7ia> well, whereever new college of cali is
[10:51] <Tsjoklat> new college?
[10:51] <Tsjoklat> is that a brand?
[10:51] <hypa7ia> :-p
[10:51] <hypa7ia> no, it's a university :-)
[10:51] <Tsjoklat> try Chico
[10:51] <hypa7ia> san fran apparently
[10:51] <Tsjoklat> SF is fabio
[10:51] <Tsjoklat> big though
[10:51] <hypa7ia> same size as toronto i think
[10:52] <Tsjoklat> I don't like the bridges
[10:52] <Tsjoklat> gives me hives
[10:52] <hypa7ia> lol
[10:52] <Tsjoklat> takes like forever to get over one
[10:52] <hypa7ia> wherever i end up :-)
[10:52] <will> who runs ubuntu here on anything less than a 500Mhz machine?
[10:52] <Tsjoklat> become an attorney?
[10:52] <b_e_n_z> used to commute over the dumbarton bridge daily
[10:52] <Lathiat> me
[10:52] <Lathiat> 266mhz
[10:52] <Lathiat> will:
[10:52] <hypa7ia> be the larry lessig of canada :-)
[10:53] <hypa7ia> http://www.newcollege.edu/law/
[10:53] <Ruffian|JANE|> Umm, take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:53] <Ruffian|JANE|> because I want to talk about Ubuntu
[10:53] <Tsjoklat> we were waiting for that Ruffian
[10:53] <hypa7ia> lol, okay Ruffian|JANE| :-)
[10:53] <Tsjoklat> you have been too silent
[10:53] <Ruffian|JANE|> =)
[10:53] <Tsjoklat> :)
[10:53] <Ruffian|JANE|> :-)
[10:54] <Tsjoklat> hypa are you going there?
[10:54] <Ruffian|JANE|> will, I had it running fine on my 224MHz test box, but I have Debian and Vector on it now
[10:54] <Lathiat> 224? odd number :)
[10:55] <Ruffian|JANE|> 225 then
[10:55] <Skif> Only to a computer geek would 224 be an odd number. :)
[10:55] <Ruffian|JANE|> its 225MHz
[10:55] <Ruffian|JANE|> actually
[10:55] <Lathiat> its still an odd number
[10:55] <theatro> lol
[10:55] <Ruffian|JANE|> its a Cyrix..............
[10:55] <Tsjoklat> one more comment Ruffian, do forgive me: hypa sounds like an ubu UNI
[10:55] <Lathiat> 33, 66, 100, 133, 166, 200, 233, 266, 300, 333, 400
[10:55] <Lathiat> oh
[10:55] <Lathiat> it could be 250mhz
[10:55] <Lathiat> cyrix do 250s
[10:56] <hypa7ia> i'm a what Tsjoklat? :-)
[10:56] <Ruffian|JANE|> no, its a 225MHz
[10:56] <Ruffian|JANE|> i checked
[10:56] <Skif> I think she called you an institute of higher learning.
[10:56] <Ruffian|JANE|> i got it clocked
[10:56] <Lathiat> Ruffian|JANE|: thats so remarkably odd
[10:56] <Lathiat> Ruffian|JANE|: its cool :)
[10:56] <Lathiat> Ruffian|JANE|: overclocked?
[10:56] <Ruffian|JANE|> lol
[10:56] <Ruffian|JANE|> no, I clocked it at 225MHz
[10:56] <Tsjoklat> that school sounds like an UNI for ubu peeps
[10:56] <Tsjoklat> their credo
[10:57] <theatro> is there a package with skins for xmms or should I get the ones i like myself ?
[10:57] <hypa7ia> mmm, brains
[10:57] <Ruffian|JANE|> ya
[10:58] <Ruffian|JANE|> there delicious
[10:58] <Tsjoklat> good school, nice credo, go for it hypa
[10:58] <Ruffian|JANE|> ok. food time
[10:58] <Ruffian|JANE|> brb
[10:58] <Tsjoklat> is it safe?
[10:58] <will> it could be an overclock on a 200!
[10:59] <hypa7ia> it's very, very safe Tsjoklat :-)
[10:59] <hypa7ia> >kaboom<
[10:59] <Tsjoklat> she's always after my brains
[10:59] <hypa7ia> lol
[10:59] <Tsjoklat> no wonder I am as dense as I am as of late
[10:59] <Skif> Hey, at least she respects you for your mind!
[10:59] <will> i run on a 500celeron with a little cache, but gnome can be pig slow :( especially scrolling
[10:59] <Ruffian|JANE|> "Who needs wheight lifting when you have steroids?"  --Qoute from worlds best personal trainer
[10:59] <hypa7ia> so yeah, new college it totally the hippy social justice ubunterific university of my dreams, Tsjoklat
[10:59] <Tsjoklat> LOL
[11:00] <hypa7ia> eww eww.
[11:00] <hypa7ia> steroids == gross
[11:00] <Tsjoklat> yes I wish I could go too hypa.. I'll fit right in...
[11:00] <hypa7ia> this guy from toronto 2600 who's been totally hitting on me for a good 2 weeks does them.  i'm totally grossed out.
[11:00] <Tsjoklat> at least something is hitting on you hypa
[11:01] <hypa7ia> paf, i get enough attention as is :-)
[11:01] <Tsjoklat> lucky twat :)
[11:01] <Ruffian|JANE|> isnt there a channel called #ubuntu-offtopic?
[11:01] <Tsjoklat> ah shit she is back
[11:01] <Ruffian|JANE|> she?
[11:01] <Tsjoklat> wb Ruffian :)
[11:01] <Tsjoklat> he/she/it
[11:01] <Tsjoklat> I give up on gender in here
[11:01] <Ruffian|JANE|> lol
[11:03] <hypa7ia> webby Adrenal
[11:03] <Adrenal> hey
[11:03] <hypa7ia> any luck with the panel?
[11:03] <Adrenal> yeh
[11:03] <Adrenal> got it
[11:03] <Skif> Adrenal: what did the trick?
[11:03] <Adrenal> just restarted to test it
[11:03] <Adrenal> reinstalling
[11:03] <Adrenal> and she's working fine
[11:03] <Skif> thoght so.
[11:03] <Adrenal> sorrry if i didn't thank u guys before
[11:04] <Adrenal> think i may of found extensions to solve my colours problem
[11:04] <hypa7ia> no worries, that's what we;re here for
[11:04] <hypa7ia> rockin
[11:04] <Adrenal> but how do i change the terminals dictory?
[11:04] <Skif> It's *sniff* all right *sniff*... we don't expect a *sniffle* reward.
[11:04] <Tsjoklat> guys/girls/sheep
[11:04] <Adrenal> *directory
[11:04] <Adrenal> lol skif
[11:04] <Adrenal> oh yeh, good news for all you gmail guys, pop3 is coming soon
[11:05] <Skif> Old news, Adrenal; it's been rolling out for what, almost a week now? :)
[11:05] <Adrenal> well *sniff* excuse me
[11:05] <Adrenal> anyway
[11:05] <Adrenal> how do i change the terminals dictory
[11:05] <Tsjoklat> you gotta fix that cold Skif
[11:06] <Adrenal> cos found some awesome gui notification ext as well
[11:06] <Skif> cd $newdir
[11:06] <Adrenal> ah ta
[11:07] <will> okay everyone: can you try and see if you have this bug? its to do with synaptic : https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3689
[11:07] <Ruffian|JANE|> night all
[11:07] <Tsjoklat> night Ruffian
[11:08] <will> its morning here :)
[11:09] <Adrenal> dammit
[11:09] <Adrenal> can't change to the folder on my desktop
[11:10] <hypa7ia> Adrenal: cd Desktop/folder?
[11:10] <Adrenal> tried that
[11:10] <will> adrenal: do you have a lock symbol on it?
[11:10] <Adrenal> no
[11:10] <Adrenal> it says there is no such file or directory
[11:10] <will> in windows or linux?
[11:10] <Adrenal> linux
[11:10] <will> hehe
[11:10] <hypa7ia> weeeeird Adrenal
[11:10] <hypa7ia> and the panel is working?
[11:10] <Adrenal> it is now
[11:11] <hypa7ia> hmm
[11:11] <Adrenal> hey
[11:11] <Adrenal> i got it
[11:12] <hypa7ia> what did you do Adrenal?
[11:12] <Adrenal> just typed it in again
[11:12] <Adrenal> too tired to really be bothered about the logic right now
[11:12] <llpamies> I'm using hoary, I installed composite extension for xorg, and added it to xorg.conf.  Now how can I use transparences in gnome ?
[11:12] <mvo_> will: looks like a bug, thanks for reporting
[11:13] <Tsjoklat> brb'
[11:13] <hypa7ia> will: didn't crash on me
[11:13] <mvo_> will: what charackter is this? it does not crash for me ...
[11:14] <mvo_> can you reproduce it on your system?
[11:14] <will> its the character ?
[11:14] <Adrenal> ok
[11:14] <Adrenal> i've compressed them both
[11:15] <will> it is NOT a '
[11:15] <Adrenal> if i send them back
[11:15] <will> its is a ?
[11:15] <Adrenal> *to someone
[11:15] <Adrenal> could they tell me how to install them?
[11:15] <mvo_> will: <will> its is a ?. I assume I have a encoding problem here :)
[11:16] <hypa7ia> what are you trying to install?
[11:16] <llpamies> Anybody have transparent windows in hoary ?
[11:16] <mvo_> will: I think I can reproduce it now
[11:16] <mvo_> will: thanks
[11:16] <will> yeah its like in the french alphabet you have for example an 'e' with an acute over it
[11:16] <Adrenal> just some gaim ext
[11:16] <Adrenal> guifications and extended prefs
[11:16] <will> in swewdish we have ?
[11:17] <will> `
[11:17] <nuRock> How can I switch to root?
[11:17] <hypa7ia> Adrenal: is it in synaptics?
[11:17] <will> also it can go in the other direction so ? and `
[11:17] <Adrenal> i'll check
[11:17] <plovs_> how do i start a program in a different language? from commandline?
[11:18] <Treenaks> plovs_: LC_MESSAGES=zh_CN gnome-control-center
[11:18] <plovs_> Treenaks ah, yes, thanks
[11:18] <Adrenal> hypa7ia:no
[11:18] <will> it only crashes with ? as opposed to ` with wich there is no problem
[11:19] <will> plovs_: set up your keyboard correctly
[11:19] <Adrenal> could we try my idea?
[11:19] <will> Adrenal: whats that?
[11:20] <nuRock> Does Warty autodetect even internal modems?
[11:20] <Adrenal> i send the zip of both tarballs to someone
[11:20] <Adrenal> they install them
[11:20] <Adrenal> and tell me what to do
[11:20] <Adrenal> cos i can't understand the directions
[11:20] <Adrenal> i know, n00b
[11:21] <Adrenal> well, i gtg, thanks anyway
[11:22] <nuRock> ?
[11:23] <will> be back soon ppl
[11:23] <Echylo> I have th e same question as llpamies, how to achieve full transparancy of windows?
[11:23] <Echylo> not the windows
[11:23] <Echylo> but ubuntu windows
[11:23] <Echylo> :p
[11:24] <hypa7ia> llpamies, Echylo: i'm not 100% sure that that's working yet
[11:24] <hypa7ia> but don't take my word for it :-)
[11:24] <Echylo> lol
[11:25] <nuRock> HOw do I set my root password?
[11:25] <Echylo> sudo passwd root
[11:25] <nuRock> ah.
[11:26] <Skif> but that's not really the ubuntu model of doing things; as long as you know what you're doing, you probably will be okay.
[11:26] <Echylo> ?
[11:26] <Echylo> philosophic explosion?
[11:27] <Skif> I guess the exigesis was too much for him.
[11:27] <Skif> IHNTA, IJLTS "exigesis"
[11:27] <Echylo> hmm
[11:34] <nuRock> Does warty detect internal modems?
[11:34] <Skif> real or winmodem?
[11:35] <nuRock> both.
[11:36] <hypa7ia> warty didn't detect it, but i got a smartlink winmodem working under ubu with the sl-modem package from universe
[11:36] <Echylo> think, he has troubles with winmodems?
[11:36] <Skif> real, probably.  Winmodem, prolly not (exceptions on both sides notwithstanding)
[11:36] <hypa7ia> i was mucho proud :-)
[11:37] <Skif> w00+
[11:37] <Skif> and all that jazz
[11:38] <hypa7ia> had to run gnome-ppp as root tho
[11:38] <hypa7ia> bleh.  winmodems == death.
[11:38] <nuRock> Yeah. Total liablility
[11:39] <Skif> nah, but definitely winmodems==teh suck
[11:39] <Skif> actually, they're kinda neat-- basically, they're raw DSPs with all the controlling logic in software
[11:39] <Skif> you could do all sorts of fun with them, if you had the API
[11:40] <Skif> the problem with most winmodems is not that they do stuff in software, but that we don't have the api to fake it ourselves
[11:41] <nuRock> I'm trying to install Ubuntu on my friend's computer. His computer was attacked by a virus a year ago, Since he's a non gamer, is it okay to introduce Ubuntu to him?
[11:41] <Treenaks> nuRock: it's always OK to introduce ubuntu to pleople
[11:41] <Treenaks> people too
[11:41] <Skif> Nope, sorry, ubuntu is only for gamers
[11:41] <muhahaha> i think so Treenaks
[11:41] <Skif> JOKE
[11:42] <muhahaha> uops, sorry, that was for nuRock
[11:43] <hypa7ia> nuRock: i'm putting all the noobs i can on ubu
[11:43] <hypa7ia> keeping them safe from what ails them :-)
[11:44] <sladen> nuRock: yup, you don't need permission---spread Ubuntu freely, and with love
[11:45] <nuRock> Now to get that modem working.
[11:45] <hypa7ia> peace love and ubuntu :-)
[11:45] <Echylo> :-)
[11:45] <hypa7ia> nuRock: what kind of mode, do you know?
[11:46] <sladen> hypa7ia: you shouldn't have to run ppp as root.  (and please tell me you used sudo if you did :-)  check that the SL modem device is in the dialer group or change it with  sudo chown
[11:46] <Tomcat_> pppd runs as root on my box. :o
[11:46] <nuRock> I'll look.
[11:47] <hypa7ia> sladen: uhh, actually i logged into gnome as root </kidding>
[11:48] <sladen> Skif: sound-card on the end of your phone-line.  You're responsible for making the squeaks yourself
[11:49] <Skif> sladen: true, but you have to hack the rj11 connection yourself (admittedly, if you're talking about doing your own squawking, this isn't a huge deal)
[11:49] <sladen> :-)
[11:50] <Skif> but I haven't looked at it very hard
[11:51] <will> oh god, i just tried linspire live cd and was shocked!
[11:51] <will> it crashed with screen corruption everywhere :(
[11:52] <muhahaha> hum i've to say that ubuntu is the better distro i've ever try
[11:53] <aadis_fu> hello all
[11:53] <hypa7ia> glad tohear it muhahaha :-)
[11:53] <hypa7ia> hey aadis_fu
[11:54] <hypa7ia> will, what do you expect, they're imitating that other os :-)
[11:54] <muhahaha> do you know ig there is any kde (or gnome I dont mind) app to turn up/down the sound via keyboard?
[11:54] <aadis_fu> any way of getting firefox 1.0 in warty?
[11:55] <hypa7ia> muhahaha: you should be able to assign a keystroke for it, not sure how to
[11:55] <muhahaha> I haven't see it
[11:55] <nuRock> What does this mean: GRUB loading, please wait...
[11:55] <nuRock> error 18
[11:56] <hypa7ia> aadis_fu: change your sources to hoary, grab it, change back real quick
[11:56] <stvn> muhahaha: it's in keyboard settigns
[11:56] <hypa7ia> nuRock: gimme a sec, that error just came up
[11:56] <stvn> muhahaha: sorry, keyboard shortcuts
[11:56] <muhahaha> ok thanks stvn i will give it alook ;)
[11:57] <aadis_fu> hypa7ia: ok, thanks :)
[11:57] <aadis_fu> the dirty hack, eh
[11:57] <hypa7ia> yuppers
[11:57] <hypa7ia> alas :-/
[11:57] <Echylo> somebody who uses bittornado?
[11:57] <Echylo> and can tell me how to launch gui?
[11:58] <hypa7ia> nuRock: fix is here http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/003145.html
[11:58] <sladen> Echylo: if nothing else, bring up a command prompt, and type 'bittornado &'
[11:59] <Echylo> already founded it
[11:59] <Echylo> on a ubuntuforum
[12:03] <aadis_fu> is 1.0 in hoary?
[12:03] <muhahaha> i can't find it stvn :_(
[12:04] <muhahaha> there are plennty of sohrcuts, but none for the volume
[12:05] <hypa7ia> aadis_fu: it is
[12:05] <aadis_fu> hypa7ia: apt-get install mozilla-firefox tries to pull  0.99+1.0RC1-4ubuntu1 for me though
[12:06] <hypa7ia> aadis_fu: note the 1.0RC1 in that :-)
[12:06] <aadis_fu> aaaah :D
[12:06] <aadis_fu> RC1?
[12:06] <aadis_fu> isn't 1.0 final out?
[12:07] <hypa7ia> it is, but it takes the maintainers more than 3 days to get it into the distro :-)
[12:07] <Gmail> it sat 13 nov
[12:07] <Gmail> i am fixing the topic
[12:08] <xukun> hi @all
[12:08] <hypa7ia> thank you Gmail!
[12:09] <aadis_fu> hypa7ia: ok then, i shall hold on till 1.0 makes it in :)
[12:09] <aadis_fu> though i got the acpi-support package today. w00t! hibernate support!
[12:09] <hypa7ia> i'm doing the same, aadis_fu
[12:09] <Gmail> aadis_fu: firefox 1 is in hoary just rc1-4
[12:09] <hypa7ia> Gmail: yup, we just went over that :-)
[12:10] <Gmail> hypa7ia: i just got here didn't read above
[12:10] <xukun> when I log in to ubuntu system using nxlient everything goes well but ater that all I get is a dark screen of remote system without any icons, this is only when I log to ubuntu, is this becouse a fonts problem or I,m missing someting here?
[12:13] <hypa7ia> Gmail: no worries, just trying to spare you having to explain
[12:14] <Kristanna> raspundeti mance-va metzala
[12:15] <hypa7ia> xukun: sorry, what's nxclient?
[12:15] <xukun> hypa7ia: uups, sec
[12:15] <Kristanna> da cine stie ce tot ciripesti tu acolo?
[12:17] <Kristanna> asa mereti toti pe pluta
[12:17] <Kristanna> pe aici nu sunt si romani dragutzi :) ?
[12:18] <hypa7ia> Kristanna: #ubuntu-it perhaps?
[12:20] <xukun> hypa7ia: its like vnc, but much much faster and secure, http://www.nomachine.com/
[12:20] <hypa7ia> rockin, i'll check it out
[12:20] <hypa7ia> can't really help you tho at this point, alas
[12:21] <will> Kristanna:please only speak english in here
[12:21] <will> or BASIC hahah!
[12:22] <hypa7ia> lol
[12:22] <hypa7ia> is python okay?
[12:23] <will> well, that sounds good to me
[12:23] <will> what was gnome coded in again?
[12:23] <will> was it c?
[12:24] <hypa7ia> c/c++ i'd guess
[12:24] <hypa7ia> sec, will ask my pocket guru
[12:24] <Gmail> c
[12:25] <will> anyone had any sorrow with their parallel port here?
[12:26] <xukun> hypa7ia: mybe you can help me confugure my sound card?
[12:26] <hypa7ia> xukun: if only... haven;t gotten mine working well at all
[12:26] <Kristanna> mai greu dc vreau vorbesc dc nu nu k?
[12:26] <hypa7ia> pocket guru says c as well, will
[12:27] <hypa7ia> Kristanna: what language are you speaking?
[12:27] <hypa7ia> s/speaking/writing in/
[12:27] <pepsi> heh
[12:27] <will> Kristanna: NO
[12:27] <Kristanna> guess smiily
[12:27] <will> thought it was C
[12:27] <pepsi> did he just call you smelly?
[12:28] <will> maybe
[12:28] <xukun> well then who is the guru here, no irc can do it without one?
[12:28] <will> Kristanna:pratar du svenska?
[12:28] <deFrysk> mogen we alleen maar engels praten ?
[12:28] <Kristanna> lasa mai ca si eu stiu limbi din astea
[12:28] <pepsi> thats bs
[12:28] <deFrysk> jeetje zeg
[12:28] <pepsi> too many 2 letter words yo
[12:29] <pepsi> i dont believe it
[12:29] <will> lasa may mean read
[12:29] <Kristanna> speak for your self
[12:29] <pepsi> heh
[12:29] <will> and something about your ass
[12:29] <pepsi> who claimed to speak for the group?
[12:29] <Kristanna> no way try again
[12:30] <will> ah, good english
[12:30] <will> Kristanna:thanku
[12:30] <Kristanna> invatza engleza mai ca tu vb mai nashpa k mine
[12:30] <pepsi> vb and dc are words?
[12:31] <Kristanna> yes
[12:31] <will> Kristanna:you will be kicked if you continue spouting non-ubuntu things mate
[12:31] <Kristanna> nu ma nebuni
[12:31] <Buzzzz> romanian?
[12:31] <pepsi> !
[12:31] <Kristanna> so what you are all borryng
[12:32] <pepsi> eh?
[12:32] <Kristanna> yes roumanian?
[12:32] <Kristanna> so?
[12:32] <pepsi> are you getting defensive?
[12:32] <will> romanska
[12:32] <hypa7ia> my romanian is a little rusty, alas
[12:32] <Kristanna> nu am auzit de nici o romanska:))
[12:33] <Kristanna> sa vedem dc este asa
[12:33] <Kristanna> speak that rusty romanian
[12:34] <edulix> hello !
[12:35] <edulix> I know it's strange but now I cannot herar any sound, and mixer volume are to 100%
[12:35] <edulix> it just stopped working some days ago
[12:35] <edulix> where should look for logs/problems ?
[12:36] <will> edulix:are your speakers plugged in and/or turned on?
[12:36] <hypa7ia> oop, no more romanian for us :-)
[12:36] <will> good
[12:36] <hypa7ia> lol
[12:39] <hypa7ia> okay, sleep for me
[12:39] <hypa7ia> nite all!
[12:39] <parax> hypa7ia, good night!
[12:39] <parax> (late)
[12:39] <will> anyone had problems getting mplayer setup?
[12:39] <will> gnite!"
[12:39] <edulix> will: oh, I forgot to mention: this is a laptop, and it has speakers attached of course ;)
[12:40] <edulix> BTW, it works in suse
[12:40] <tuxta2> An Xandros User asks, how is the user friendlyness of Ubuntu?
[12:40] <will> edulix: try restarting the sound daemon
[12:41] <edulix> my laptop is a Dell Inspiron 4150. in order to get sound I had to append "acpi_irq_isa=7 nolapic" in grub
[12:41] <edulix> will: ok I'l try..
[12:41] <tuxta2> Is ubuntu suitable for the newbie?
[12:41] <will> edulix: ok, maybe it is IRQ sharing problem.....have u checked ubuntu bugzilla?
[12:42] <parax> I can't get usb-storage devices to automount on my ubuntu system
[12:42] <will> tuxta2: it was for me, i started about 3 months ago with ubuntu :)
[12:42] <Muhahahaha> hi
[12:42] <Muhahahaha>  I've installed via apt "gtk2-engines-gtk-qt" know how I apply it?I mean, the gtk apps loke the same than before install it
[12:42] <tuxta2> thanks will
[12:43] <edulix> will: I found the solution in bugzilla, it seems that dell laptops have some problems with that
[12:43] <tuxta2> Is ubuntu fully compatible with debian apt repositories?
[12:44] <edulix> will: anyway, as I said, after using that, it worked... till some days ago
[12:46] <pepsi> parax, is this a stock kernel?
[12:48] <parax> pepsi, what do you mean with "stock kernel" ?
[12:48] <pepsi> did you recompile the kernel?
[12:49] <parax> no
[12:49] <will> edulix:that is strange sorry, what have u installed before it stopped working/what configuration changes did u make?
[12:49] <parax> my current kernel is linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-k7
[12:49] <pepsi> can you mount them manually?
[12:49] <pepsi> i assume you mean thumb drives?
[12:49] <parax> yes, it's a camera that mounts as a usb-storage device
[12:50] <parax> let me check
[12:50] <pepsi> well then that could be different than a thumb drive
[12:51] <agwibowo> hello
[12:51] <pepsi> olleh
[12:51] <agwibowo> does anyone have any problem in connecting to msn using gaim in ubuntu?
[12:51] <parax> pepsi, ok, when I plug in, I get this on /var/log/messages: http://www.pastebin.com/119433
[12:51] <Mithrandir> agwibowo: worked fine for me yesterday, at least.
[12:51] <Echy|Schoolwork> bleh
[12:52] <parax> pepsi, odisea:/# mount /dev/sdb1 mnt/
[12:52] <parax> mount: No medium found
[12:52] <parax> :-?
[12:52] <] Cyphre[> guys, I just succesfully installed Ubuntu 4.10. I need to install USB ADSL modem so I can conect to internet. Any ideas how to do it? (I'm Ubuntu/Linux newbie)
[12:52] <agwibowo> mine always say "error reading from Notification server"
[12:52] <parax> normally, I could mount it manually on my old Debian system
[12:52] <pepsi> hrm
[12:53] <pepsi> its not listed in mount?
[12:54] <edulix> will: I really don't know, how can I check that?
[12:54] <parax> pepsi, actually I'm on hoary, but didn't work on warty also
[12:54] <parax> pepsi, no
[12:54] <pepsi> it knows its ntfs though..
[12:54] <pepsi> wait a second
[12:55] <parax> the device fs format is vfat
[12:55] <parax> ok
[12:55] <will> edulix: unfortunatly you have to keep it in your mind !
[12:55] <Matt|> hi: I have installed icewm and am starting it from GDM: the logout button does not work for going back to gdm, how can I logout? I assume that the problem is that I am starting icewm from gdm and not from startx
[12:55] <parax> hal recognizes it, but look at this: volume.mount_point = ''  (string)
[12:55] <pepsi> fun
[12:56] <pepsi> ive never had problems with my thumb drive before.. as long as hal sees it i can mount it
[12:56] <parax> maybe a hal problem then?
[12:56] <pepsi> no clue
[12:57] <_axel> hi, im trying to setup fetchmail on my system, i think i got it mostly sorted out and it collects the messages and etc but they're simply not delivered to /var/mail/axel... i have a fetchmailrc which simply says 'poll bla.com with proto pop3 user foo there is baz here'... am i missing something
[12:57] <edulix> will: this is what I can see in my /root/.bash_history that could be related :
[12:57] <_axel> do i have to pass another line for the local mda or what?
[12:57] <pepsi> fdisk /dev/sdb
[12:57] <pepsi> and p
[12:57] <parax> I did it
[12:58] <edulix> http://www.pastebin.com/119436
[12:58] <parax> odisea:~# fdisk /dev/sdb
[12:58] <parax> Unable to open /dev/sdb
[12:58] <pepsi> and partition 1 is what you want?
[12:58] <plaidinum> Hi
[12:58] <pepsi> oh
[12:58] <parax> brw-rw----  1 root disk 8, 16 Nov 13 12:50 /dev/sdb
[12:58] <pepsi> well i notice sometims my removable drives get assigned different things all the time
[12:59] <mojo_> hi all ppl
[12:59] <pepsi> sda, sdb, sdc
[12:59] <parax> humm... this is really strange
[12:59] <pepsi> is it sdb at the moment?
[12:59] <mojo_> let check out new Industrial theme (stolen from NLD9) for Ubuntu
[12:59] <parax> sda is a sata drive on my system
[12:59] <parax> yes, at the moment it's sdb
[12:59] <mojo_> http://opax.swin.edu.au/~2529386/ABC.png
[12:59] <parax> at least, it's what I could see on /var/log/messages
[12:59] <parax> pepsi, this may be useful: lshal dump: http://www.pastebin.com/119435
[01:00] <pepsi> did you sudo fdisk /dev/sdb?
[01:00] <Matt|> hi: I have installed icewm and am starting it from GDM: the logout button does not work for going back to gdm, how can I logout? I assume that the problem is that I am starting icewm from gdm and not from startx
[01:00] <parax> pepsi, look at the # ;-)
[01:00] <pepsi> oh
[01:00] <mojo_> Matt: Ctrl-Alt F1 - reboot
[01:01] <Matt|> mojo_, but I want to logout, as in go back to the gdm login screen
[01:01] <parax> pepsi, it's really strange, because it seems that udev recognize my partitions on sdb
[01:01] <mojo_> Matt: I think your icewm breaks some part of GDM, there's no such better way to do so
[01:01] <parax> pepsi, odisea:~# ls -l /dev/sdb*
[01:01] <parax> brw-rw----  1 root disk 8, 16 Nov 13 12:50 /dev/sdb
[01:01] <parax> brw-rw----  1 root disk 8, 17 Nov 13 12:50 /dev/sdb1
[01:01] <Matt|> mojo_, ah do you have the same problem?
[01:01] <mojo_> Matt: please reboot by that way and reinstall icewm
[01:01] <Matt|> reinstall?
[01:01] <edulix> well I'm going to reboot and start trying configurations: nolapic, noapic, acpi_irq_isa=7 ...
[01:01] <Matt|> its a clean install from yesterday
[01:02] <mojo_> Matt: I did, b/c icewm is not designed for Ubuntu, it's for Debian generally
[01:02] <mojo_> Matt: therefore pls dun expect icewm works perfectly, y dun u use xfce4??
[01:02] <Matt|> mojo_, well I guess it is designed to be distro independent?
[01:02] <kensai> If I enter cfdisk and the drive shown on top is hda is there anyway to change from within cfdisk to hdb?
[01:02] <Matt|> mojo_, *grins* i like icewm
[01:03] <Matt|> mojo_, i don't expect it to work out of the box with ubuntu but i'd like to get it working :)
[01:03] <mojo_> Matt: then I can't help u here, but I think GNOME is the best with Industrial theme http://opax.swin.edu.au/~2529386/ABC.png
[01:03] <bunbury> Hello. I tried to change my PATH environment variable by editing /etc/profile, but this has no effect, even after rebooting. How do I do this in Ubuntu, please?
[01:03] <Matt|> mojo_, gnome is a bit slow on my comp.
[01:03] <pepsi> id kind of strange that it says NTFS, as you said its vfat
[01:03] <pepsi> but you should still be able to look at it with fdisk
[01:03] <mojo_> Matt: then BlackBox is alternative
[01:03] <pepsi> so i dunno :(
[01:04] <parax> pepsi, why you say that it's NTFS?
[01:04] <Matt|> mojo_, i am happy with icewm, I just want it to work to gdm
[01:04] <pepsi> your log says NTFS in there
[01:04] <Matt|> mojo_, there must be a command I can run to get back to gdm
[01:04] <pepsi> a second later though
[01:04] <mojo_> Matt: let me check
[01:04] <] Cyphre[> I connected the USB SpeedTouch adls modem...I can see it in the device manager app. How can I setup it for internet connection? anyone? thanks
[01:05] <Matt|> ] Cyphre[, it took me 2 weeks to get speedtouch working with linux :)
[01:05] <edulix> in bthe wiki, talking about a dell inspiron laptop support, I can read: "#No trouble with the onboard sound after I installed all the apt updates."
[01:05] <parax> pepsi, hum, I see... /var/log/messages says that it's NFTS
[01:05] <mojo_> Matt: sorri but i think there is no cmd,
[01:05] <Matt|> ] Cyphre[, which one do you have?
[01:05] <parax> NTFS
[01:05] <edulix> how can I install that updates?
[01:05] <parax> but... I'm pretty sure it's a vfat drive
[01:05] <Matt|> mojo_, ok i'm gonna keep looking tho
[01:05] <mojo_> Matt: use CDE instead
[01:05] <pepsi> yeah, it cant be ntfs.. itd be pretty weird to be ntfs.. but STILL... fdisk should work no?
[01:06] <parax> anyway... you're right, at least it must allow to look at the partition table with fdisk
[01:06] <Matt|> mojo_, no!
[01:06] <Matt|> mojo_, i've decided to use icewm
[01:06] <] Cyphre[> Matt:not a good news for me :/ I need it setup till tommorow.
[01:06] <Matt|> ] Cyphre[, i'll help you quickly
[01:06] <mojo_> Matt: Alcatel SpeedTouch is a *****, I messed up with the firmware a bit then I took me 2 months to fix up I've done
[01:06] <] Cyphre[> Matt: i have SpeedTouch USB ISDN
[01:06] <edulix> let's reboot, brb
[01:06] <parax> pepsi, I have a /sys/block/sdb entry
[01:06] <Matt|> ] Cyphre[, which one is it? what colour? is it like a cycle helmet shape?
[01:06] <pepsi> parax, i dunno what that is
[01:06] <mojo_> USB type heh? I hate that model!!
[01:07] <] Cyphre[> I found some SpeedBundel package but I don't know hot tu use it
[01:07] <pepsi> usb internet connectivity of any sort makes no sense at all to me :P
[01:07] <Matt|> ] Cyphre[, I will help you but you must answer my questions
[01:07] <parax> pepsi, it's a new /proc like system for k2.6
[01:07] <] Cyphre[> ok, go ahead
[01:07] <Matt|> ] Cyphre[, i've asked already twice ;)
[01:08] <parax> pepsi, Ubuntu must mount any new device like this automatically, is that true?
[01:08] <] Cyphre[> Matt: ah, sorry...I have the green one..flat shape
[01:08] <Matt|> green huh
[01:08] <Matt|> damn
[01:08] <parax> pepsi, because I'm thinking in opening a bug report
[01:09] <pepsi> it always does for me, at least once i compiled the usb mass-storage modules
[01:09] <pepsi> but again, im just using a thumb drive
[01:09] <pepsi> not a camera
[01:09] <parax> pepsi, it must be the same
[01:09] <parax> pepsi, the camera uses usb-storage also
[01:09] <] Cyphre[> Matt: what's wrong on green colour? ;)
[01:09] <Matt|> ] Cyphre[, download this: http://www.hystedjp.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/speedtouch/latest/KQD6both.eni <-- that is the firmware for your modem, it needs to be uploaded to the modem every time you want it to work
[01:10] <pepsi> parax, yeah thats why it seems odd
[01:10] <Matt|> ] Cyphre[, nothings wrong with it, it just isn't the same one I have ;)
[01:10] <pepsi> cause it knows damn well that its a disk
[01:10] <parax> :-/
[01:10] <pepsi> sorry :(
[01:10] <parax> ok, opening a new bug
[01:11] <parax> pepsi, no! thanks a lot for your help ;-)
[01:11] <] Cyphre[> Matt: downloading...(I'm on GPRS connection so it will take some time ;))
[01:11] <Matt|> ] Cyphre[, here are the detailed instructions of how to get it working. I do not know if you will need ALL the sections (for example the ubuntu kernel might be properly configured already). I can't help any further because I have to go out now, but I can tell you that those instructions _will_ work if you follow em. Use the FIRMWARE you've just downloaded.
[01:12] <Matt|> http://linux-usb.sourceforge.net/SpeedTouch/docs/sargehowto.html
[01:12] <Matt|> ] Cyphre[, http://linux-usb.sourceforge.net/SpeedTouch/docs/sargehowto.html <-- instructions
[01:12] <Matt|> ] Cyphre[, if you are not familiar with linux, you are gonna have a few problems
[01:12] <] Cyphre[> Matt: thanks, I'll try it
[01:14] <Matt|> ] Cyphre[, before you follow that guide, just try copying the firmware to /lib/hotplug/firmware/: it is JUST possible that it may work straight away
[01:14] <] Cyphre[> Matt: ok
[01:15] <Matt|> ] Cyphre[, after you've copied it, make another copy in that folder called "firmware.bin"
[01:15] <Matt|> ] Cyphre[, then run pppoeconfig and set up your info, then pray
[01:16] <Matt|> ] Cyphre[, got to go now: best of luck.
[01:16] <] Cyphre[> yep, just downloaded the firmware..so now I'll try the first attemp..thanks anyway
[01:16] <Matt|> np
[01:16] <Matt|> bye
[01:16] <] Cyphre[> bye for now
[01:21] <parax> pepsi, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3691
[01:22] <parax> pepsi, thanks again! it's good to know that some people are there to try to help you :-)
[01:22] <edulix> now it works ! I just had to use the gnome mixer instead of alsamixer :P
[01:26] <parax> I must go... see you
[01:28] <mirak> lemsx1|gone: I can't find the vanilla packages
[01:31] <Thijs> Hey everybody, anybody know where I can find how to set true transperency in hoary? I've been looking, but i can only find detailed gentoo documentation
[01:31] <bob2> in what?
[01:31] <bob2> aka "it's not a general setting, each app has to support it"
[01:31] <Thijs> in gnome
[01:32] <bob2> more specific
[01:32] <Thijs> i've seen some cool screenshots of firefox being transperant, and filebrowsers etc.
[01:33] <Thijs> I was wondering how to do that, but couldn't find any info :(
[01:33] <sjoerd> you can use transset to make whole windows transparent
[01:33] <sjoerd> don't know if it's package for hoarty yet
[01:33] <Thijs> yes, but where do I get transset?
[01:33] <Thijs> no it's not i suppose, apt-cache search doesn't spit out anything
[01:33] <bob2> it won't be packaged
[01:34] <bob2> since x.org only entered ubuntu 7 days ago
[01:34] <Thijs> so can it be installed from sourdce?
[01:34] <sjoerd> you can always get it from X cvs.. but it's just a toy to make nice screenshots :)
[01:34] <will> is it beneficial to use x.org instead of xfree86?
[01:34] <bob2> it supports some hardware better
[01:35] <bob2> it's probably not worth upgrading from warty for it
[01:35] <Thijs> its just to look cool really, I suppose its still too unstable to call it benificial
[01:36] <Thijs> i've been running hoary for about 3 days now, but no complaints yet, just had to do some tweaking while doing the distupgrade, and some Xconfig stuff got messed up
[01:36] <bob2> please file bugs
[01:36] <bob2> it should upgrade seamlessly
[01:37] <Thijs> yes, still not sure how to though
[01:37] <Thijs> i'm sorry, still a bit new to linuix
[01:37] <bob2> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[01:38] <will> how did u upgrade to hoary?
[01:39] <graham> I've held off upgrading as I heard somebody had problems getting ooffice to run. Is that common, or shall I just do it?
[01:39] <bob2> will: wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[01:39] <Thijs> I changed all instances in sources.list from warty to hoary and did apt-get update, apt-get upgrade
[01:39] <bob2> you need to use dist-upgrade, not upgrade
[01:40] <Thijs> even if your sources.list contains hoary already?
[01:40] <bob2> if you're moving from warty to hoary, you need to use dist-upgrade
[01:41] <Thijs> right, well, i've got it going anyway ;)
[01:42] <Thijs> there was this strange error in the console-data .deb file, where it echoed "NONE" to the screen, and right after that Usage: install-keymap [KERNEL | NONE | something] 
[01:42] <Thijs> there is a post on the forum on ubuntu site with the exact same problem, but no answes yet
[01:43] <bob2> it would be good if someone could file a bug
[01:43] <bob2> so it can be fixed
[01:44] <Thijs> i'll try :)
[01:44] <bob2> cool, thanks
[01:45] <xaero> anybody know how to get direct rendering to work in my ia32-chroot?
[01:46] <Thijs> ohw, I still have to register
[01:46] <Mithrandir> xaero: it only works if you use the nvidia binary drivers.
[01:46] <tweek_> hi, i just finished runing my md5sum.exe and got md5sum: WARNING: 18 of 1094 listed files could not be read but it doesnt say what ones couldnt be read ~.O
[01:46] <mirak> pan is crap
[01:46] <xaero> Mithrandir: I do.
[01:46] <Bader> hi
[01:46] <xaero> Mithrandir: Works great ouside the chroot
[01:46] <Mithrandir> xaero: in 32 bit apps as well?
[01:47] <xaero> Haven't run any 32bit apps outside the chroot
[01:47] <Bader> is there a faq on how burning from Ubuntu, because I didn't succeed in making cdrecord working and nautilus-cd-burner crash...
[01:47] <Mithrandir> you probably need to bind-mount /tmp
[01:47] <xaero> I've only tried one game so far on this system, World of Warcraft in Cedega
[01:47] <xaero> Bader: try using k3b :)
[01:47] <xaero> it's just a cdrecord GUI
[01:47] <Bader> k3b is KDE, I don't ant kde
[01:48] <Bader> xaero: which one?
[01:48] <xaero> You don't need KED
[01:48] <Bader> xaero: I try with eroaster, gcombust, burn and so on, no one works.
[01:48] <xaero> KED
[01:48] <xaero> KDE
[01:48] <xaero> Just KDE-base
[01:48] <Bader> k3b come alone?
[01:48] <xaero> Well, maybe you need KDE-base. I'm not sure
[01:48] <Bader> it's needed I think...
[01:48] <xaero> Just try. ;)
[01:48] <xaero> I have K3b without KDE
[01:48] <Bader> actually I'm sure it's needed
[01:49] <tweek_> how do i make md5sum display what files where messed up?
[01:49] <Bader>   jackd k3b k3blibs kcontrol kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data kdelibs4 libarts1 libflac++2c102 libjack0.80.0-0 libopenexr2 libqt3c102-mt
[01:49] <Bader>   libsndfile1 menu-xdg perl-suid
[01:49] <xaero> just do 'apt-cache show k3b', it will show you the dependencies.
[01:49] <xaero> yup, KDE-base.
[01:49] <Bader> I don't want them..
[01:49] <xaero> why not?
[01:49] <Bader> I've only 2gig free with one day of use...
[01:50] <xaero> dude, KDE-base is not big
[01:50] <Bader> and I don't need KDE, I don't want it at all :)
[01:50] <Thijs> bob2: what kind of severity does this bug have?
[01:50] <xaero> Then don't.
[01:50] <Bader> xaero: in addition, cdrecord should work.
[01:50] <bob2> Thijs: just the default, I guess
[01:50] <Bader> xaero: I don't understand why he didn't
[01:50] <xaero> Bader: 'man cdrecord' please
[01:51] <Bader> xaero: ....
[01:51] <Bader> xaero: 97,9Mo is really big for me for a simple burning too.
[01:51] <Bader> tool
[01:51] <xaero> K3b is good for backing up your stuff, burn ISOs, everything
[01:51] <Bader> cdrecord -scanbus don't work.
[01:51] <Bader> xaero: I simply don't need it :)
[01:51] <xaero> man cdrecord, please. ;)
[01:52] <deFrysk> isos kan be right clicked in nautulus to burn
[01:52] <xaero> deFrysk: he doesn't want nautilius
[01:52] <deFrysk> ow
[01:52] <deFrysk> sorry , didnt follow the conversation
[01:52] <Bader> xaero: simply say me what's the device of a cd burner ?
[01:52] <Bader> xaero: /dev/XXX ?
[01:52] <xaero> guess.
[01:52] <xaero> it's most likely either /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd
[01:53] <xaero> its /dev/{cd,dvd}*
[01:53] <xaero> i have
[01:53] <xaero> my dvd-burner is /dev/cdrom
[01:54] <tweek_> can anyone give me some pointers with md5sum.exe?
[01:55] <bob2> tweek_: you really need to find a windows support channel
[01:55] <Bader> xaero: it's /dev/cdrw, thx, I was searching something complicated when something simple is available :)
[01:55] <xaero> =P
[01:55] <tweek_> *sigh*
[01:56] <tweek_> i got the thing to run but it wont display errora
[01:56] <Bader> by the way, nautilus-cd-burner crash without any error message, any suggestion?
[01:56] <tweek_> errors*
[01:56] <xaero> are the packages in AMD64 optimized for AMD64?
[01:56] <xaero> "All Ubuntu packages are compiled using the i486 instruction set, with instruction choices based on the Pentium 4 processor. This combination provides benefits for modern processors without sacrificing compatibility with older and embedded devices."
[01:57] <Thijs> bob2: bug submitted, i've worked around it by doing an "apt-get dselect-upgrade" instead of "apt-get upgrade"
[01:57] <bob2> xaero: that's refering to the i3386 port
[01:57] <Bader> xaero: just check your kernel compilation options
[01:57] <bob2> xaero: the amd64 port is obviously compiled for x86-64
[01:57] <xaero> good ;)
[01:57] <bob2> I don't know whether there's any point optimising beyond that on amd64 yet
[01:57] <xaero> I run Debian-AMD64 now, but I think I'm switching to Ubuntu/AMD64
[01:58] <bob2> and god it sucks that intel left *one* instruction unimplemented on their version
[01:58] <xaero> is there a newer version than "warty"?
[01:59] <bob2> hoary is under development
[01:59] <bob2> it's more or less equivalent to debian's unstable
[01:59] <xaero> ok
[01:59] <xaero> and warty?
[01:59] <bob2> = debian stable
[01:59] <bob2> but actually releasing every now and then :-p
[01:59] <xaero> k
[02:00] <xaero> are the packages as old as in debian stable?
[02:00] <xaero> i want sid :>
[02:00] <bob2> hoary is more modern than sid
[02:00] <Mithrandir> xaero: warty is a stabilized snapshot of sid from late june with updates pulled in.
[02:01] <bob2> from a gnome perspective, at least
[02:01] <xaero> okay
[02:01] <xaero> does it have xorg?
[02:02] <bob2> hoary, yes
[02:02] <xaero> =(
[02:02] <Mithrandir> warty has xfree86
[02:02] <xenonite> hi, has someone tried to enable RSYNCD ?
[02:03] <xaero> that sucks
[02:03] <xaero> doesnt it have an xorg package?
[02:03] <Mithrandir> xaero: warty? no.
[02:03] <bob2> hoary has an xorg package, warty does not
[02:04] <bob2> warty will not be updated with x.org, either
[02:04] <xaero> cant i just use hoary's xorg package? ;)
[02:04] <bob2> you can if you want
[02:04] <bob2> it'd pull in a buttload of hoary packages, though
[02:05] <bob2> and if you want random translucent stuff, you'll be disappointed
[02:05] <cardador> xaero: its easier if you install hoary
[02:07] <ploum> Hi,
[02:07] <ploum> I cannot burn a cd :-(
[02:07] <ploum> it says that my system is too slow
[02:07] <bob2> what sort of system is it?
[02:07] <xenonite> hi, has someone tried to enable RSYNCD ?
[02:08] <ploum> bob2, a Athlon 2500XP with 512Mo of Ram and a 52x burner
[02:08] <ploum> (it burns very well in Debian)
[02:08] <bob2> xenonite: it'd be easier if you just asked your question
[02:08] <bob2> ploum: using an ubuntu kernel?
[02:08] <ploum> bob2, yes
[02:08] <xenonite> :) can someone help me to enable the rsync-daemon? i started inetd but no success
[02:09] <bob2> xenonite: are you sure it uses inetd?
[02:09] <xenonite> bob2: with yoper-linux i used xinetd for it
[02:10] <bob2> xenonite: this isn't yoper.  edit /etc/default/rsync and then "sudo invoke-rc.d rsync restart"
[02:11] <ploum> bob2, DMA speed too slow (OK for 17x). Cannot write at speed 40x.
[02:13] <xenonite> bob2: whow thank you! that helped exactly!
[02:14] <xenonite> bob2: btw what is the difference of using ``invoke-rc.d rsync restart'' or ``/etc/init.d/rsync restart'' ?
[02:15] <bob2> xenonite: no difference
[02:15] <xenonite> bob2: ok thank you!
[02:15] <bob2> xenonite: you're welcome
[02:16] <ploum> Mmm.. strange. When burning in 16x, all my system is slowed down. It seems that DMA is broken
[02:17] <bob2> it worked under 2.6 on Debian?
[02:18] <ploum> bob2, yes fine
[02:19] <mirak> how to add all the available applications in the gnome menu ?
[02:20] <ogra> mirak: hit ctrl-l in nautilus...type applications:///
[02:20] <mirak> ogra: and what do I do ?
[02:20] <ogra> mirak: create folders.....or create launchers as you like....
[02:22] <mirak> ogra: I want to script that
[02:22] <mirak> ogra: anyway I don't want to add them manually
[02:22] <mirak> I would like to have the normal gnome menu
[02:23] <mirak> where is the applications:/// menu located ?
[02:23] <bob2> you don't mean normal gnome menu
[02:24] <bob2> you mean "Debian's menu stuck on the bottom of the gnome one"
[02:24] <mirak> bob2: I mean a menu where I can acces graphically to the applications I just installed
[02:25] <mirak> like debian menu yes
[02:25] <seb128> you miss some entries in the GNOME menu ?
[02:25] <mirak> or just a menu where I could drag and drop the icons instead of having to crate the laucnhers
[02:25] <seb128> just go in applications:///
[02:25] <thoreauputic> this seems to be a continuing complaint - particularly with people who aren't used to editing menus and launchers
[02:25] <seb128> to create the entries
[02:26] <mirak> thoreauputic: it's more about not beeing used to waste time on this
[02:26] <thoreauputic> mirak: that wasn't directed at you - it was a general observation :)
[02:26] <mirak> in kde when you install an app, most of the time it's in the menu. debian menu whatever
[02:27] <seb128> mirak: don't start a troll thanks
[02:27] <mirak> seb128: a troll about what
[02:27] <bob2> mirak: this is an ubuntu issue, not a gnome thing
[02:27] <bob2> mirak: it was deliberately setup like that
[02:27] <seb128> mirak: in KDE blablabla
[02:27] <mirak> bob2: ok
[02:27] <thoreauputic> seb128: erm- it's a fair question
[02:27] <thoreauputic> seb128: chill
[02:27] <mirak> seb128: it's a usability question.
[02:27] <bob2> seb128: everything still has .menu files, right? so installing the menu package and some hackery can get the Debian menu back?
[02:27] <bob2> mirak: it was disabled for usability reasons
[02:28] <seb128> mirak: nothing to do with KDE/GNOME/whatever
[02:28] <bob2> mirak:most  everything in supported will show up in the menus
[02:28] <seb128> bob2: no, we need a gnome-panel code change for this
[02:28] <Tsjoklat> seb: thanks for filing the trash applet bug
[02:29] <seb128> Tsjoklat: no problem
[02:29] <bob2> seb128: ah, suck
[02:29] <Tsjoklat> hopefully it will be fixed before april :)
[02:30] <seb128> Tsjoklat: the trashapplet problem is fixed with the new gtk+, but gdm doesn't start with it ...
[02:31] <ogra> Kamion ?
[02:31] <Thijs> anyone know how I can obtain the xcomposite.pc file?
[02:31] <mirak> bob2: so I have to create all the laucnher manually ?
[02:31] <Thijs> needed for the cvs version of xapps
[02:32] <mirak> bob2: launcher
[02:32] <Thijs> or actually xcompmgr
[02:32] <seb128> Thijs: probably in libxcomposite-dev
[02:33] <ogra> Thijs:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/
[02:34] <ogra> Thijs: but it will bring your system to the performance edge.....
[02:34] <Tsjoklat> so is there a way that I can man fix it seb?
[02:35] <Thijs> ogra: thanks, i'll check is out
[02:35] <bob2> mirak: yes
[02:35] <bob2> but please recognise that it's considered a feature, not a bug
[02:36] <Thijs> ogra: can I just add this to my source.list?
[02:36] <ogra> Thijs: you use hoary ?
[02:36] <Thijs> ogra: yes
[02:36] <ogra> Thijs: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[02:36] <thoreauputic> bob2: will installing the menu package get a debian menu, or is it necessary to fool around to get it to work?
[02:36] <mirak> bob2: lol, so where I can report anoying features ? :)
[02:36] <Thijs> ogra: , can I do the same for transset?
[02:36] <bob2> thoreauputic: seb128 says it needs a patch to gnome-panel
[02:37] <bob2> (and he would know)
[02:37] <ogra> Thijs: is there a package ?
[02:37] <Thijs> yeah
[02:37] <Thijs> ogra: yeah
[02:37] <bob2> mirak: you can discuss it on the -devel list if you think it's a serious issue
[02:37] <Tsjoklat> seb: is there a fix for gdm to start up with it?
[02:37] <bob2> but it was discussed before release
[02:37] <seb128> Tsjoklat: ?
[02:37] <ogra> Thijs: oooooh.... i havent looked for some days....
[02:38] <ogra> Thijs: i think you can
[02:38] <seb128> bob2: the issue is "we should add .desktop file for the apps which need it"
[02:38] <Thijs> ogra: :)
[02:38] <Tsjoklat> seb: <seb128> Tsjoklat: the trashapplet problem is fixed with the new gtk+, but gdm doesn't start with it ...
[02:38] <thoreauputic> I think it's kind of interesting to consider it a 'feature' when I've had puzzled newbies asking me where the menu entry for their newly installed app has gone :/
[02:38] <bob2> seb128: = all packages providng user-runnable programs?
[02:38] <seb128> Tsjoklat: yeah, that's a devel version of gtk+ released yesterday with some problems (static build doesn't work and gdm doesn't start)
[02:38] <Tsjoklat> seb: so I wonder if there is a fix
[02:38] <seb128> Tsjoklat: if you want to fix it feel free, patches are welcome
[02:39] <mirak> bob2: well, I see the point of ubuntu, wich is to provide a set of well supported applications etcetera, but what is nice in linux is to have "options". But I agree that for the basic end user target, he doesn't have to be bloated with unecessary stuff. That's what debian menu is made for isn't it ? end of the rant :)
[02:39] <Thijs> ogra: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/, is that all i have to write?
[02:39] <seb128> bob2: that's a sensible question. We don't want to reacreate the mess of the debian menu ...
[02:39] <bob2> mirak: yes, you obviously have options, gnome in debian uses the debian menu
[02:39] <seb128> bob2: so not easy to know which app has its place in the menu or not :)
[02:39] <bob2> seb128: hehe, right
[02:39] <ogra> Thijs: thats the sources.list entry, yes.....
[02:40] <bob2> mirak: maybe the work being done on a new version of "menu" for Debian would be a good place to start?
[02:40] <Thijs> ogra: why do I get "ign: http://... transset/ release
[02:40] <ogra> Thijs: for transset add another line and replace xcompmgr/ with transset/
[02:40] <seb128> mirak: just read the debian list is enough to understand than the debian menu is a problem for a part of the users
[02:40] <agwibowo> does anyone know how to make gnome not opening new window everytime i click a folder? i want to open in the same window
[02:40] <Thijs> same error though
[02:40] <ogra> Thijs: as long as ther Package.gz gets downloaded...everything is ok....
[02:41] <mirak> seb128: I don't understand how it can be a problem, since it's a sub menu
[02:41] <bob2> agwibowo: isn't that a option in nautilus' preferences?
[02:41] <Thijs> ogra: oh never mind, i got it working! thanks!
[02:41] <ogra> Thijs: ;)
[02:41] <seb128> mirak: but it's even if you don't understand why
[02:41] <agwibowo> bob2: how to set it?
[02:41] <Thijs> ogra: you know anymore of these "hidden" repositorys?
[02:41] <Tsjoklat> seb: I'll give it a try
[02:41] <mirak> seb128: the explain the why. if you have some time
[02:41] <seb128> mirak: some users feel lost in it, and don't get why there is a menu in the menu, the differences, etc
[02:42] <mirak> seb128: so what ? why do they open it ?
[02:42] <ogra> Thijs: look here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[02:42] <seb128> mirak: the fact is we get regular mail/bug reports about this
[02:42] <seb128> mirak: you can deny that if you want but the facts are here
[02:42] <ogra> Thijs: and from the ubuntu-users mailing list
[02:42] <bob2> god, they actually made a page called "breakmyubuntu"
[02:43] <agwibowo> bob2: how to set it?
[02:43] <mirak> seb128: I totally agree it's messy, but I am happy to find in it, the lauchers I can't see in the basic menu. that's only what it's made for
[02:43] <Tsjoklat> just like breakmygentoo
[02:43] <ogra> bob2: lol
[02:43] <mirak> I think
[02:43] <ogra> bob2: is this so bad ?
[02:43] <Tsjoklat> mirak: are you talking about wanting the debian menu back in?
[02:43] <bob2> agwibowo: I can't see it, sorry
[02:43] <seb128> mirak: if the app is an user one and should have a menu entry then we should add the desktop file to improve the situation, just fill a bug report
[02:43] <agwibowo> it's quite annoying that it opens a new window everytime
[02:43] <mirak> Tsjoklat: no, I am trolling about it ;)
[02:43] <Tsjoklat> mirak: you don't want it? :)
[02:44] <mirak> Tsjoklat: yes, you can consider it as a request :)
[02:44] <seb128> mirak: but we'll not add stuff like "xdvi"
[02:44] <mirak> Tsjoklat: I want it
[02:44] <Tsjoklat> mirak: I hope you don't succeed sorry
[02:44] <seb128> mirak: the debian menu will be removed in GNOME/Debian too in fact since upstream have removed the code to create it in 2.9
[02:44] <mirak> Tsjoklat: succeed to what ? to trolling ?
[02:44] <xf_> hi, i'm noticing some applications i'm installing aren't showing up under the gnome/ubuntu menu.  i assume there's something like debian's submenu for these; how would i enable it? is this normal?
[02:44] <Tsjoklat> mirak: in getting the debian menu back in
[02:44] <xf_> installing via apt-get, of course
[02:45] <Tsjoklat> mirak: was one of the main reason for me to install ubuntu
[02:45] <Tsjoklat> mirak: for not having it
[02:45] <agwibowo> anyone knows how to make gnome not opening new window everytime i click a folder???
[02:45] <mirak> I don't see the point in having to create all the icons manually, sorry that's dumb and a waste of time
[02:45] <bob2> agwibowo: it's the "always use browser" option, I think
[02:45] <thoreauputic> seb128: there you go, another puzzled punter ( xf_)
[02:45] <bob2> xf_: no, there's not
[02:45] <xf_> mirak: i'm assuming you're having the same problem i am?
[02:45] <Tsjoklat> agwibo it is in gconfeditor: always use browser
[02:45] <Thijs> ogra: I installed transset, no errors, but i cant find it anywhere :) only documentation and a .deb file
[02:45] <bob2> xf_: add launchers for things you want
[02:45] <agwibowo> ok...
[02:45] <xf_> ugh, you have to create them /manually/?
[02:46] <bob2> ogra: it just seems like a really stupid way to list external repositories
[02:46] <mirak> bob2: I will not take 2 hours to add 20 laucnhers, that's totally dumb
[02:46] <xf_> i'm trying to encourage ubuntu for newbies, this is a kick in the teeth usability wise
[02:46] <bob2> mirak: then don't
[02:46] <bob2> mirak: if you care that much, use debian
[02:46] <agwibowo> Tsjoklat: where about in gconfeditor ???
[02:46] <Tsjoklat> agwibowo: let me take a look
[02:46] <ogra> bob2: at least it is a way to list them.... should be no prob to rename the site
[02:46] <xf_> are there menu entries created anywhere when i install packages?
[02:46] <bob2> xf_: most everything in supported has launchers included
[02:46] <bob2> xf_: no
[02:46] <Thijs> ogra: grrr, wrong button
[02:46] <mirak> bob2: I consider this as a really small feature
[02:47] <Tsjoklat> mirak: ubu has been pretty good with adding launchers.. so far I only had to add one
[02:47] <xf_> ok, i assume things in universe don't create menu items, then?
[02:47] <seb128> xf_: if you think than an app should have a menu entry fill a bug report about it (the app has to provide a desktop file)
[02:47] <bob2> ogra: why not call it "External apt repositories" instead of trying to make it sound "cool"?
[02:47] <mirak> bob2: a feature that could even be optional
[02:47] <Thijs> ogra: where should the executable be installed? i'm guess /usr/bin/?
[02:47] <thoreauputic> bob2: perhaps the debian menu could be made "optional" (click to include?)
[02:47] <ogra> bob2: ask plovs.....he created it, i wont change  the name.....
[02:47] <mirak> Tsjoklat: well when I tried, they did not appeared in the list, or not even in the applications:// menus
[02:47] <xf_> x11 applications /should/ create menu items
[02:48] <ogra> This: try: locate transset
[02:48] <seb128> xf_: do you have a list of the app missing a menu entry ?
[02:48] <xf_> they do in debian, why don't they in ubuntu? i don't understand the mindset, care to clarify?
[02:48] <xf_> ok, a bunch of games i just installed from universe
[02:48] <bob2> thoreauputic: that sounds reasonable to me, dunno how feasible it is, code-wise
[02:48] <xf_> almost none installed menu items
[02:48] <seb128> xf_: the debian menu is a mess, too much useles stuff for the standard users
[02:48] <Thijs> ogra: I did, came up with only some /usr/share/doc and /var/lib/apt things
[02:48] <mirak> seb128: I am a standart user
[02:48] <xf_> i agree, but that's why i liked the fact debian had two menus
[02:48] <seb128> xf_: the standard user doesn't want "xdvi" in his menu
[02:48] <xf_> and it put the 'mess' inside a submenu
[02:48] <ogra> This: try: or dpkg --listfiles transset|grep bin
[02:49] <xf_> sure, but a standard user is going to get lost if they install something via synaptic and then they can't find it
[02:49] <seb128> mirak: and you probably don't want xdvi in the menu :)
[02:49] <mirak> seb128: soon you will see standart users bitch about having to manually create icons to applications they just installed
[02:49] <Thijs> ogra: nothing
[02:49] <xf_> mirak: 100% agree
[02:49] <mirak> seb128: probably, but if I install amarok or umbrello or eclipse, I want to have them in the menu
[02:49] <seb128> mirak: that's a transition to a common menu in the freedesktop standard between GNOME/KDE/..., we just need to provide .desktop files for apps which need it
[02:49] <ogra> Thijs: probably its not ready yet.....i will try it on my hoary box later today....
[02:49] <Thijs> ogra without the grep I only get /usr/share/doc
[02:49] <seb128> mirak: transitions need work and bug reports to point the problems
[02:49] <thoreauputic> seb128: the problem is the "standard user" expects to find a menu entry, and thinks something is broken when he/she doesn't
[02:50] <Thijs> ogra: right, ok.
[02:50] <Tsjoklat> agwibowo: apps
[02:50] <bob2> seb128: can we just get debian to include the desktop files and then get menu items for free in ubuntu?
[02:50] <agwibowo> uh huh..
[02:50] <Tsjoklat> agwibowo: apps nautilus preferences first box check
[02:50] <Tsjoklat> sorry
[02:50] <Tsjoklat> had to type
[02:50] <xf_> apps /need/ to install menu items, somewhere.  not having them at all is not a solution to cleaning mess, seriously
[02:51] <seb128> bob2: that's the plan
[02:51] <Thijs> gotta jet! I'll talk to you later :) this chanel helps :D
[02:51] <mirak> seb128: can I ask you some technical questions, about how it works ?
[02:51] <JanneM> isn't the menu specification such that an app can list several alternative menu placements, and the users system will place it where it fits best?
[02:51] <Tsjoklat> so far only Alexandria didn't get in the menu
[02:51] <Tsjoklat> but easy fixed I say
[02:52] <seb128> mirak: that's easy, all the file in /usr/share/applications/*.desktop are added to the menu according to the Category used in the .desktop
[02:52] <seb128> xf_: I disagree, I don't want "xdvi" in my menu
[02:52] <JanneM> so in principle there is no obstacle to have one .desktop file that will place the app correctly across several desktops and distributions
[02:52] <agwibowo> Tsjoklat: thx!
[02:52] <xf_> seb128: is a standard user going to install xdvi?
[02:52] <JanneM> seb128: but if you installed, it, why not?
[02:52] <Tsjoklat> agwibowo: fixed I take it?
[02:52] <xf_> as an experienced user, removing that menu item isn't a huge fuss
[02:53] <xf_> as an inexperienced user, they're oging to think the app isn't there if a menu item isn't there
[02:53] <Tsjoklat> wb zenwhen
[02:53] <bob2> xf_: but as a normal user, it's hard
[02:53] <zenwhen> hi there, thanks for the welcome
[02:53] <seb128> JanneM: because I've not installed it
[02:53] <xf_> sure, i agree, there's a problem there that needs to be solved
[02:53] <xf_> but not installing the menu item at all is a bizarre and wrong way to solve it, imho
[02:53] <JanneM> seb128: then it's a bug if it shows up in the menu
[02:53] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen: greeter job today
[02:53] <mirak> seb128: I don't want either, however, having a menu with all apps that you just drag and drop in the menu would be nice. I though it was the purpose of the debian menu. I talk about the concept, not how it's implemented. I don't know how it is handled in debian menu, but *.desktop files seems a nice way to do that
[02:54] <seb128> JanneM: it's installed because of some depends
[02:54] <JanneM> still a bug, I'd think
[02:54] <seb128> JanneM: why ? the binary is installed
[02:54] <Tsjoklat> mirak: I find the debian menu rather hidious.. it tosses everything and anything in it
[02:54] <JanneM> an app that needs a dvi viewer should have dependencies that can be satisfied by whichever one you happen to have installed
[02:55] <RubenV> anyone else experiencing freezes when modprobing ndiswrapper on boot?
[02:55] <seb128> xf_: you think that the debian menu is nice ?
[02:55] <thoreauputic> seb128: I guess if you installed, say, lyx, you would end up with xdvi in the menu, right?
[02:55] <xf_> seb128: it's not, but it's better than not having the menu item there
[02:55] <JanneM> but once it is on the system, it should of course be in the menus by default
[02:55] <bob2> RubenV: you need to talk to the ndiswrapper people
[02:55] <seb128> xf_: so we disagree on this
[02:55] <seb128> xf_: I've no problem at all with the current menu
[02:55] <xf_> seb128: cool, disagreement is healthy
[02:55] <seb128> xf_: but I agree than some apps out of main need a desktop file
[02:56] <RubenV> bob2: ok, but i was wondering if it's an ubuntu thing
[02:56] <RubenV> off to the ndis channel then
[02:56] <seb128> xf_: I just don't want all the entries you can find in the debian menu
[02:56] <mirak> Tsjoklat: me too. But as I said what I like is that I can just drag launcher items, and put them in the normal menu. KDE have this kind of menu handling system, and that's usable.
[02:56] <JanneM> seb128: there is no way for the xdvi package to magically know if you want to have it in the menu or not - but it is a lot easier to remove a menu entry than to add one
[02:56] <xf_> seb128: me either
[02:56] <Tsjoklat> mirak: that is true
[02:56] <seb128> mirak: I've said that 10 times before, just use applications:///
[02:56] <xaero> how do i install a package without its deps?
[02:56] <Tsjoklat> seb128: I like the menu too
[02:56] <bob2> xaero: what are you trying to do?
[02:56] <seb128> xaero: you can't
[02:56] <JanneM> xaero: preferably not at all
[02:56] <mirak> seb128: IF the menu debian was available in debian:/// and that you could just drag the icons, in applications:/// , would you find this acceptable ?
[02:56] <xaero> bob2: install nvidia-glx in my ia32-chroot
[02:56] <bob2> xaero: the dependencies are there because it really really needs them
[02:57] <xf_> seb128: applications /should/ create menu items by default, like in debian, though.  a bug should be filed if you don't really want the app there, imho
[02:57] <Tsjoklat> but I did find the older way of setting prefences in gnome nicer
[02:57] <xf_> it seems the mentality is the reverse right now
[02:57] <RubenV> i think the debian menu is the most horrible thing ever
[02:57] <bob2> xaero: why do you need to force dependencies?
[02:57] <xf_> lots of users are going to get lost
[02:57] <Tsjoklat> I think it vanished in version 2.8? or 2.6?
[02:57] <JanneM> it is easy to see something you don'
[02:57] <xaero> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:57] <xaero>   nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-1.0.6629 but it is not installable
[02:57] <mirak> seb128: this way you won't hear about the debian menu, since it would not be accessible from the main menu
[02:57] <JanneM> t want in a menu and right-click to get rid of it
[02:57] <seb128> xf_: we are not going to revert that, at this point just fill bug report to get missing .desktop files
[02:57] <xf_> ok, assuming that most packages in universe have been built from debian packages, it means they're putting things where the old debian menu was, right?
[02:58] <liuser> hi, somebody knows as it is possible to be entered like root ubuntu?
[02:58] <JanneM> it is much harder to add a menu entry for an app that you may not even know the name of the binary for
[02:58] <seb128> mirak: debian menu entries and GNOME ones don't have the same format
[02:58] <mirak> RubenV: I think to, but nothing forces you to enter this menu
[02:58] <Tsjoklat> liuser: ubuntu uses sudo
[02:58] <bob2> xf_: as was dicussed before you joined, you can't get the debian menu to appear in ubuntu
[02:58] <bob2> xf_: it needs patches to gnome-panel
[02:58] <xf_> oh, ok, i see
[02:58] <mirak> seb128: ok
[02:58] <bob2> liuser: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[02:58] <xf_> ok, alternatively, where the hell is the debian menu normally anyway, i assume it's human readable?
[02:58] <johnnybezak> how many of you guys use the spatial nautilus?
[02:58] <seb128> xf_: upstreams have dropped the distribution menu in 2.9, it'll be removed in debian too
[02:58] <Treenaks> johnnybezak: I do
[02:58] <mjr> johnnybezak, I do
[02:59] <bob2> johnnybezak: I do
[02:59] <xf_> see, i've just installed about 50 games and now i don't know what i installed apart from what showed up in /usr/share/games
[02:59] <mvo_> johnnybezak: I do
[02:59] <bob2> as much as I use any file manager
[02:59] <wfx> hi, totem plays movies extremly quick same with audio and the best i have no sound with totem?
[02:59] <johnnybezak> hehe
[02:59] <mjr> (I don't use Nautilus a lot though, but when I do, it's spatial)
[02:59] <RubenV> johnnybezak: yes
[02:59] <mirak> xf_: lol, that's what I was wondering. maybe a script could convert it ;)
[02:59] <xf_> making launchers isn't a problem, but i don't know what for
[02:59] <ogra> bob2: that wiki is out of date.....
[02:59] <stvn> johnnybezak: I do
[02:59] <bob2> ogra: how so?
[02:59] <bob2> ogra: oh, riught
[02:59] <bob2> but the new urls suck
[02:59] <seb128> xf_, mirak: there is a discussion about the debian menu and GNOME on the debian-gtk-gnome list, it's about one month old ... just read that for details
[02:59] <johnnybezak> is there a way to open new window inside the old window? on mac os 9 where i suppose the finder was "spatial" you could option click and it would open inside the old window, can you do this with nautilus?
[03:00] <xaero> bob2: isnt there a way to get direct rendering in my ia32-chroot (i run amd64) so i can play games in cedega in the chroot =(
[03:00] <ogra> bob2: i pull them from firefox typeahead ;)
[03:00] <JanneM> johnnybezak: I didn't even use a graphical filemanager until s0patial nautilus
[03:00] <mjr> johnnybezak, I don't think so, but you can do shift-doubleclick or doubleclick with middle button, and the old window is closed simultaneously
[03:00] <johnnybezak> JanneM: yeah its nice and basic, ive only used kde up till now but gnome is pretty nice: simple and effective
[03:00] <stvn> johnnybezak: you could either use the browse mode or use shift-click/middle-button-click this will close the parent window
[03:00] <Tsjoklat> johnnybezak: gconfeditor: apps: nautilus: preferences: check first box
[03:00] <JanneM> johnnybezak: nope. Sort of contradicts the point of spatial nautilus. Depending on why you want that, however, there are ways to solve it
[03:01] <ogra> bob2: you just have to have used them one time before.....
[03:01] <bob2> ogra: more typing on IRC, I mean
[03:01] <wfx> a video clip with 3:56 is played in 38sec. without sound ?
[03:01] <ogra> bob2: hmm, copy n paste .....
[03:01] <bob2> xaero: why don't you just install it?
[03:01] <xaero> bob2: its not available o_o
[03:01] <johnnybezak> ok thanks guys, i think the finder used to just get rid of old window too
[03:01] <JanneM> johnnybezak: either do an open that will close the previous window, use ctrl-shift-w to close all but the focused window
[03:01] <xf_> wow, when this happens to debian, there's going to be lots of pissed off users
[03:01] <johnnybezak> yeah ok thanks guys
[03:02] <wfx> mplayer plays it normal and with sound?
[03:02] <johnnybezak> its just when your getting deep into the file system its windows galore
[03:02] <JanneM> johnnybezak: or, if it's the same couple of windows every time, just move the new one on top of the old one
[03:02] <xf_> i agree the debian menu is messy, but dropping it altogether is bizarre, imho
[03:02] <liuser> thanks at all ufff..
[03:02] <bob2> xf_: well, you can dpkg --force-depends it
[03:02] <bob2> xaero: ^
[03:02] <xf_> force depends what, the old panel deb?
[03:02] <wfx> also gxine only totem make some strange thing
[03:02] <xf_> oh, heh
[03:02] <JanneM> johnnybezak: I just do the ctrl-shift-w now and again, when it gets too cluttered
[03:02] <xf_> wondered what you ment :p
[03:02] <seb128> xf_: if you don't remove it you don't move forward
[03:02] <johnnybezak> JanneM: yeah i use flux as my WM so i just tab them
[03:02] <mirak> seb128: is that you ebastien Bacher ?
[03:02] <seb128> mirak: yes
[03:03] <xf_> seb128: i guess the mentality is to force package maintainers to add the new freedesktop .desktop files?
[03:03] <seb128> xf_: sort of yes
[03:03] <mjr> johnnybezak, oh, and of course, there's the browse option in the file menu
[03:03] <seb128> xf_: at least to get bug report if stuff are missing for user and to add them
[03:03] <ogra> does anybody think its worth to follow this path ? --> http://www.grawert.net/startup-settings.png
[03:03] <xf_> ok, understand that, but i'm sure there's still a better solution to the problem
[03:03] <seb128> xf_: the freedesktop standards should give a common menu between desktops
[03:03] <JanneM> I had no idea that debian hadn't already moved to the freedesktop menus long time ago
[03:03] <xf_> with debian it won't matter a whole lot because unstable is a moving target, and i'm guessing sarge will be frozen before this happens
[03:04] <xf_> but this affects you guys for the next 6 months, at least
[03:04] <bob2> xf_: there really aren't that many people complaining
[03:04] <seb128> JanneM: the debian menu has moved to the freedesktop format now IIRC
[03:04] <bob2> at least judging from here and the user list
[03:04] <mirak> seb128: where is located the content of applications:// ?
[03:04] <xf_> you probably will once adoption rates increase
[03:04] <seb128> mirak: that's a real mess, you don't want to know :p
[03:04] <JanneM> heh
[03:04] <xf_> and it'll probably scare off users. i'm already installing fedora core 3 on a machine i was installing ubuntu on now, for example
[03:04] <mirak> seb128: yes I want :)
[03:05] <bob2> xf_: really, most people don't care
[03:05] <RubenV> ogra: if it uses the debian kernel things correctly, yes, looks great
[03:05] <johnnybezak> xf_: cos of the menu?
[03:05] <bob2> xf_: and I hope you filed bugs on the packages you think should have .desktop files
[03:05] <JanneM> xf_: I have fc3 on one machine as well. It feels good to be spoiled with excellent gnome-based distros :)
[03:05] <johnnybezak> debian must have one hell of a menu
[03:05] <ogra> RubenV: thanks....:)
[03:05] <xf_> johnnybezak: yes. it sounds stupid, i'm still sticking with ubuntu on my 2nd desktop machine, but this is for an install where users will drive the package manager to install things
[03:05] <xf_> yet they're not adept enough to use the command line, or find binaries
[03:05] <seb128> mirak: /usr/share/applications/, /usr/share/control-center-2.0/capplets/ and gnomevfs vfolders in ~/.gnome2/vfolder/
[03:05] <RubenV> if the debian menu makes it's way into ubuntu then i'm back off to gentoo
[03:05] <xf_> JanneM: heh, choice is good :)
[03:05] <johnnybezak> xf_: do these linux users actually exist?
[03:06] <bob2> RubenV: why?
[03:06] <JanneM> xf_: really, the only surefire way is really for you to babysit the installations
[03:06] <Tsjoklat> RubenV: so am I
[03:06] <xf_> sure do, clients of mine
[03:06] <RubenV> the debian menu is imho a perfect example of a horrible menu
[03:06] <ogra> RubenV: the menu will be dropped in debian also :)
[03:06] <JanneM> johnnybezak: yes - I have a couple too
[03:06] <xf_> installation isn't a problem, it's the users wanting to add new software later
[03:06] <seb128> xf_: how does fedora handle that ? they have a sort of debian menu ?
[03:06] <xf_> most users can drive synaptic fine
[03:06] <RubenV> usability below zero :)
[03:06] <wfx> hmmm, totem and rhythmbox makes always pobs...
[03:06] <mirak> huh -> /usr/share/applications/kde
[03:06] <JanneM> seb128: they handle it the same way - ie. not at all, really
[03:06] <bob2> RubenV: a single submenu at the bottom of the gnome menu is enough to make you switch operating systems?
[03:07] <xf_> seb128: well, no, but they've ensured packages do actually add menu items
[03:07] <Tsjoklat> bob2: yes for me it will be.. going straight back to gentoo
[03:07] <johnnybezak> JanneM: i only did it on my one house mates comp, but it scared him too much hehe (i was sick of fixing windows for him :P)
[03:07] <seb128> xf_: as we do
[03:07] <bob2> Tsjoklat: why?
[03:07] <mirak> seb128: how can I add a new menu entry into the applciation menu ?
[03:07] <xf_> yeah, but not for universe
[03:07] <seb128> xf_: the supported part has meny entries
[03:07] <Tsjoklat> having no menu; no locked menu was for me the reason to go to ubu
[03:07] <seb128> xf_: that's not the supported part ...
[03:07] <RubenV> bob2: that and the slow release/development kept me away from debian
[03:07] <JanneM> xf_: since my users are friends and coworkers, I have conditioned them to check with me when they want to add something
[03:07] <Tsjoklat> RubenV: are you my twin?
[03:07] <agwibowo> is that Ubuntu CD delivery for real?
[03:07] <xf_> seb128: sure, but there's plenty of software there that people will want to use
[03:07] <bob2> agwibowo: of course
[03:08] <johnnybezak> agwibowo:yup
[03:08] <seb128> mirak: open a applications:/// window in nautilus and create launcher here or drag&drop existant ones
[03:08] <xf_> and there's stuff in there that fedora ships, or one of the well known third party repo's maintain
[03:08] <agwibowo> i have ordered it, but haven't received it yet... almost 2 weeks now...
[03:08] <bob2> agwibowo: it's canonical's way of saying sharing the love
[03:08] <Tsjoklat> bob2:  I don't like it to be force fed something
[03:08] <xf_> yes, i realise it's a different angle, but i'm talking from the end user's perspective there
[03:08] <agwibowo> ic...
[03:08] <xf_> it sounds stupid, but not having menu items for applications will scare off users
[03:08] <RubenV> Tsjoklat: possibly although it seems very unlikely :)
[03:08] <bob2> agwibowo: yes, they're on their way
[03:08] <agwibowo> oh
[03:08] <bob2> agwibowo: or will be soon
[03:08] <agwibowo> has anyone got it?
[03:08] <bob2> agwibowo: yes, some high priority orders have already arrived
[03:08] <seb128> xf_: we have menu items for useful apps (ie: the main part) and for some apps in universe
[03:09] <bob2> agwibowo: if you ordered after the first batch, you'll get yours mi-december or so
[03:09] <Tsjoklat> RubenV: you named all the reason that made me leave too.. ex gentoo yourself?
[03:09] <JanneM> remember, this "not knowledgeable, but enthusiastic" user is only going to become more and more common
[03:09] <agwibowo> i see..
[03:09] <bob2> Tsjoklat: what are you being force-fed?  the existence of the submenu?
[03:09] <agwibowo> looking forward to give them to my friends..
[03:09] <seb128> xf_: ubuntu is not that old, we didn't have time to go through universe to add menu entries now but you could help on this instead of running away to an another distro :p
[03:09] <agwibowo> convert them from micro$oft product to ubuntu
[03:09] <bob2> JanneM: some people need to balance those a bit ;-)
[03:09] <RubenV> gentoo for a long time, but tired of the build problems and the slow development of gnome packages
[03:09] <mirak> seb128: how to apply the modifications ? I must restart a session ?
[03:09] <Tsjoklat> bob2: yes... I mailed numerous ppl at debian and they told me they locked it on purpose so ppl couldn't mess with it anymore and they didn't have to deal with 'bug' reports...
[03:09] <JanneM> bob2: yep. people like us.
[03:09] <xf_> seb128: said in here before i'm more than happy to help, where do i sign up?
[03:10] <xf_> hmm, are universe packages 'frozen' like they are with the main distro?
[03:10] <Tsjoklat> RubenV: same here
[03:10] <xf_> i.e. would adding a .desktop file be constituted as a change outside of that freeze?
[03:10] <seb128> xf_: yes, in warty but hoary is active
[03:10] <Tsjoklat> bob2: do a google about locked submenu.. you'll be amazed
[03:10] <JanneM> is there a good document on how to build .deps for ubuntu?
[03:10] <seb128> xf_: just filling bug report with a desktop file attached should be a good start to help :)
[03:10] <bob2> Tsjoklat: well, ok, but you seem to be biased against debian to begin with
[03:10] <RubenV> JanneM: looking for that one too
[03:10] <bob2> JanneM: you mean packaging software?
[03:10] <seb128> xf_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/participate too
[03:11] <xf_> seb128: guess so. cheers.
[03:11] <JanneM> I tried to read a couple of debian docs on it, and I couldn't sleep without a light that night
[03:11] <Tsjoklat> bob2: why do you think I am???????
[03:11] <wfx> hmmm, also gnome-system sound are gone ???
[03:11] <Tsjoklat> bob2: after screwing around for two weeks.. being tosses around for another two weeks... wouldn't you be???
[03:11] <RubenV> bob2: nothing wrong with a bias against debian, as long as its justified
[03:11] <bob2> Tsjoklat: because you refered to all Debian developer's as "assholes"
[03:11] <bob2> RubenV: erm, whatever
[03:11] <agwibowo> by the way... i forgotten my login in ubuntu website, and their password reminder page is broken...
[03:11] <Tsjoklat> bob2: and for your information I run Sid and Sarge on two machines.. and I said arseholes not assholes
[03:12] <Tsjoklat> bob2: and that doesn't include all of them
[03:12] <JanneM> i was (and still am) pretty negative towards debian after a couple of failed attempts to install it, but ubuntu rocks my world, really.
[03:12] <bob2> JanneM: you want to learn how to create packages?
[03:12] <JanneM> how to package them
[03:12] <RubenV> although i must say, apt is the most mature package system i've seen yet
[03:12] <RubenV> same as the debian base system
[03:12] <bob2> JanneM: www.debian.org/devel/, new maintainer's guide
[03:12] <RubenV> so i have a pro ubuntu bias, it combines good stuff with good development :)
[03:12] <JanneM> bob2: I think I've looked there already
[03:12] <johnnybezak> RubenV: mb its just cos im a deb. newb but i liked urpmi and portage better, but i'm sure apt has its advantages
[03:12] <bob2> JanneM: well, there's the guide.  that and policy.
[03:13] <JanneM> RubenV: Fedora uses apt as well
[03:13] <gorlist> i get ran out of input data system halted
[03:13] <JanneM> bob2: but that is more politics than technical info
[03:13] <RubenV> johnnybezak: portage is way less integrated then apt
[03:13] <bob2> JanneM: no it's not
[03:13] <gorlist> does anyone know what that means?
[03:13] <bob2> JanneM: it's all technical info
[03:13] <johnnybezak> RubenV: how do you mean?
[03:13] <RubenV> look at the way eg kernel installs happen
[03:13] <bob2> Debian (and Ubuntu's) secret weapon is not apt
[03:13] <bob2> it's Debian Policy
[03:14] <JanneM> bob2: I'll take another look. I'm probably mistaken then.
[03:14] <RubenV> or look at all the update-* scripts
[03:14] <bob2> yeah, exactly
[03:14] <Tsjoklat> mirak: wb
[03:14] <RubenV> anyway, i'm back off studying
[03:15] <mirak> seb128: I have lost the toolbars
[03:15] <seb128> which toolbars ?
[03:16] <JanneM> bob2: thanks. I never thought about looking at the new maintainer thing
[03:16] <johnnybezak> what command when you launch gnome tells it what theme you are using, like what initialises gnome themes?
[03:16] <JanneM> bob2: but you have to admit, when you look at the developer's corner, it is pretty heavy on the politics
[03:16] <mirak> seb128: upper and bottom. I created a folder in applications:/// but it seems to lock everything
[03:17] <ogra> mirak: why did you do this ?
[03:17] <mirak> ogra: to add a menu in the applications menu
[03:17] <bob2> JanneM: well, debian is a big bloody bunch of people, there are a bunch of rules you need to learn to participate effectively
[03:17] <bob2> the "packaging" column is all tech stuff, tho
[03:18] <xukun> hi guys and girls, this my sound card think.""CSC6835/-1[0] {WSS/SB" I dont know how to configure it,  any help would realy welcome!
[03:18] <xukun> bob2: hi bob2 I thought I will see you here, nice
[03:18] <mirak> ogra: but obviously you can't
[03:18] <ogra> mairak: you just create a folder in nautils applications:/// location...!
[03:19] <JanneM> bob2: yep. But perhaps the main secondary benefit of ubuntu (beyond the technical chokolaty goodness) is the lack of all that superstructure
[03:19] <SmokingFir1> question: to play I a dvd, it works when I do autoplay but when I want to open the dvd manually from totem it just shows a bunch of files.
[03:19] <bob2> JanneM: well, we're accumulating beaureacracy
[03:19] <Rene_S> Is slashdot nothing more than a forum for the racists, and ignorant of the world ?
[03:19] <b_e_n_z> Rene_S, yes it is
[03:19] <bob2> Rene_S: try #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:20] <xukun> bob2: do you think you could help me configuring my onboard sound card in ubuntu?
[03:20] <SmokingFir1> how do I play a dvd manually?
[03:20] <johnnybezak> Rene_S: just change your filter to nothing less than 4 and you won't have to listen to it
[03:20] <bob2> xukun: it should Just Work
[03:21] <JanneM> bob2: _everything_ is accumulating bureacracy. At one point in the far future, the universe is going to collapse because all matter has been converted to meeting minutes. In triplicate.
[03:21] <bob2> johnnybezak: lots of idiots get to +4
[03:21] <johnnybezak> dammit, mplayer didnt compile
[03:21] <bob2> JanneM: hehehehehe
[03:21] <johnnybezak> bob2: haha 5 then :P
[03:21] <EfaistOs> hi
[03:21] <EfaistOs> there is no transcode pkg in ubuntu  ?
[03:21] <xukun> bob2: well bob2 its not
[03:21] <bob2> EfaistOs: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:22] <Rene_S> johnnybezak, hehe, withought my morning coffee the little things bother me.
[03:22] <bob2> xukun: do you know which module it needs?
[03:23] <johnnybezak> Rene_S:hehe
[03:24] <JanneM> Rene_S: actually, I find just keeping it at 2 is enough to get rid of the malicious. The morons are still visible, which is amysing.
[03:24] <johnnybezak> whats the mp3 support package called?
[03:24] <johnnybezak> JanneM: yeah but you have to read way more crap
[03:24] <bob2> for gstreamer apps? gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:25] <johnnybezak> ok
[03:25] <EfaistOs> bob2, and what about transcod e?
[03:25] <Rene_S> JanneM, I will try that, maybe first thing in the AM is not a good time to head there.  Maybe I will start by day with a rousing game of bejeweled or something
[03:25] <EfaistOs> bob2, nothinb about it on the page you gave me ...
[03:26] <johnnybezak> bob2: what does xmms use?
[03:27] <ogra> EfaistOs: its also there...in the marillat repository
[03:27] <bob2> EfaistOs: good point
[03:27] <bob2> johnnybezak: it includes it's own
[03:27] <johnnybezak> ok
[03:27] <johnnybezak> thanks
[03:27] <LinuxJones> Cd burning seems to be broken for me after upgrading to Hoary. Is it just me or are others having the same problem ?
[03:27] <bob2> EfaistOs: it's in marillat's reposotuiroy, as ogra says
[03:27] <Rene_S> awww someone changed breakout to version 2 and wrecked it :(
[03:28] <mat> transcode in marillat's repositery won't install
[03:28] <JanneM> Rene_S: I start with five newspapers from different parts of the world. After that, whatever is eating people at slashdot doesn't feel all that bad anymore.
[03:28] <mat> (on warty that is)
[03:28] <ogra> oh, thanks mat
[03:28] <mat> it needs libjasper, which is nowhere to be found, and libquicktime 0.9.3
[03:28] <mat> and warty has 0.9.2 only.
[03:28] <bob2> ouch
[03:28] <ogra> mat: did you try marillat stable ?
[03:28] <bob2> someone brave needs to rebuild them and host them
[03:28] <mat> ogra: not yet, only testing/main right now
[03:28] <johnnybezak> gotta love when sound works straight out of the box ahh yeah
[03:29] <ogra> bob2: stable should be fine
[03:29] <mat> I'll try stable.
[03:29] <johnnybezak> what is marillat?
[03:29] <JanneM> a repository
[03:29] <JanneM> with debian packages of stuff like mplayer
[03:29] <thoreauputic> also a person...
[03:30] <bob2> wow, and someone is editing the wiki page without checking things carefully
[03:30] <JanneM> thoreauputic: no, that would be Marillat
[03:30] <mat> anyway someone need to update the wiki about this
[03:30] <Rene_S> JanneM, If I were smart enough to read newspapers from 5 different parts of the world I am sure no one at slashdot would even phase me
[03:30] <thoreauputic> JanneM: heh - OK - proper nouns and all that....
[03:30] <johnnybezak> JanneM: will it break ubuntu on me?
[03:30] <mirak> hi
[03:31] <Gcc> guys where can i find the ubuntu cd kernel sources ?
[03:31] <bob2> Gcc: linux-source-2.6
[03:31] <thoreauputic> JanneM: Christian Marillat, from memory
[03:31] <bob2> Gcc: but what are you trying to do?
[03:31] <mat> marillat / stable wants libstdc++-2.10-glibc2.2 for mplayer. hum.
[03:31] <Gcc> bob2: to apt-get them
[03:32] <bob2> Gcc: why do you want the kernel source?
[03:32] <Gcc> bob2: driver etc
[03:32] <Gcc> *s
[03:32] <bob2> Gcc: to compile drivers?
[03:32] <Gcc> i cant find the package damit
[03:32] <Gcc> bob2: yes
[03:32] <bob2> Gcc: which driver?
[03:33] <bob2> ubuntu's kernel includes almost every driver in the universe
[03:33] <bob2> also, you don't need kernel sources to build drivers [0] 
[03:33] <bob2> [0]  except for shit drivers
[03:33] <johnnybezak> so will marillat kill ubuntu?
[03:33] <Gcc> bob2: ok just say i want them can i have the pack name?
[03:33] <bob2> johnnybezak: no
[03:34] <bob2> Gcc: what are you trying to do?>
[03:34] <johnnybezak> bob2: ok thanks dude
[03:34] <bob2> which driver are you trying to build?
[03:34] <mat> marillat/stable transcode has even more failed dependencies
[03:34] <thoreauputic> johnnybezak: no, just cripple it slightly if you are unluky ;)
[03:34] <Gcc> bob2: damit i just want the sources can i have them
[03:34] <Sandman> How to use experimental source repositories? I Just want to grab the sources
[03:34] <gorlist> "run out of input data system halted" how do i fix that?
[03:34] <Sandman> oops
[03:34] <ogra> updated: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:34] <bob2> Gcc: yes, what are you trying to build?
[03:35] <mat> ogra: read a few lines up, stable doesn't work better for transcode.
[03:35] <Gcc> bob2: plz just tell me the pack name
[03:35] <JanneM> Rene_S: well, actually, only three languiages
[03:35] <bob2> Gcc: it depends on what you're trying to do
[03:36] <bob2> Gcc: why don't you just say what you're doing?
[03:36] <Gcc> bob2: i wanna hack them now just tell me the pack name
[03:36] <bob2> Gcc: hack what?
[03:36] <JanneM> johnnybezak: in my experience, Marillat's repo works fine with ubuntu
[03:36] <Gcc> bob2: EDIT
[03:36] <mat> testing was nearly usable, I suspect it would install fine if I injected libjasper and the up-to-date libquicktime, but stable has a lot more problems, mainly because it's wanting old stuff I suppose
[03:36] <bob2> Gcc: edit *what*?
[03:36] <thoreauputic> Gcc: you heard of "please" ?
[03:36] <bob2> Gcc: you're a kernel hacker and want to modify the kernel?
[03:37] <xukun> bob2: its ok now, you know the sound card!
[03:37] <twids> Does anyone know if layout "2 pages to 1" works in the gnome print dialogue in gpdf?
[03:37] <bob2> Gcc: I don't know what is it you want
[03:37] <Gcc> bob2: plz stop asking i just want the kernel sources pack
[03:37] <bob2> xukun: oh, what was the problem?
[03:37] <thoreauputic> Gcc: go away and learn some manners
[03:37] <bob2> Gcc: linux-source-2.6.8.1
[03:37] <bob2> Gcc: but it's really annoying when people are rude and obstructive like that
[03:37] <johnnybezak> does marillat have ppc packages?
[03:38] <Gcc> bob2: i think its not in synaptic
[03:38] <bob2> Gcc: whereas if you'd just say what you're trying to do, we can actually help you instead of you going off and breaking things
[03:38] <Gcc> bob2: ive found 2.6.7 but not 2.6.8
[03:38] <johnnybezak> gcc: wheres the ubuntu man :)
[03:38] <xukun> bob2: I didnt knew the module name for my sound card: CS4236B!
[03:38] <bob2> Gcc: read what I said again
[03:38] <bob2> Gcc: you're looking at kernel-source-2.6.7
[03:38] <bob2> you want 00:37:41           bob2 | Gcc: linux-source-2.6.8.1
[03:39] <bob2> xukun: loading the moduel manually works?
[03:39] <bob2> johnnybezak: there is, but it doesn't *quite* work on warty
[03:39] <johnnybezak> bob2: does it work it all? all i want is mplayer, it wont compile :P
[03:39] <xukun> bob2: its loads but I didnt test yet for hearing sound!
[03:39] <bob2> xukun: it loaded automatically?
[03:40] <bob2> johnnybezak: yes, but it needs a package from sid
[03:40] <bob2> I forget which
[03:40] <bob2> zxy_: please fix your connection
[03:40] <xukun> bob2: not this one, I had to figure it doing pnpdump first
[03:40] <Gcc> bob2: right now synaptic is in use uname said i have 2.6.8 kernel im searching for its kernel sources damit can u understand me?
[03:40] <bob2> oh, isa?
[03:40] <ogra> mat: could you try : deb http://apt.cerkinfo.be/ unstable main contrib non-free
[03:40] <xukun> bob2: onboard
[03:40] <ogra> mat: for transcode
[03:41] <Tsjoklat> Gcc: pretty soon nobody will be willing to help you with the way you are asking for help
[03:41] <bob2> Gcc: I don't really understand what you're trying to do, no, since you refuse to tell us
[03:41] <bob2> Gcc: as I said, 00:38:55           bob2 | you want 00:37:41           bob2 | Gcc: linux-source-2.6.8.1
[03:41] <thoreauputic> Gcc: I think by now you are on /ignore for half the people here
[03:42] <bob2> erm, was I wrong?
[03:42] <Tsjoklat> bob2: no
[03:42] <bob2> I'm 99.9% certain linux-source-2.6.8.1 is the kernel source in ubuntu
[03:42] <mat> ogra: was about to. I just hope this won't induce any problems since it includes packages I have installed from elsewhere (like marillat for instance, which I need for libdvdcss)
[03:43] <thoreauputic> bob2: the guy really didn't deserve any help - you were extremely patient
[03:43] <ogra> mat: may be....libdvdcss2 is in the repo.....
[03:44] <JanneM> johnnybezak: when I got mplayer, I had Marillat's repo and universe in my repo list.
[03:44] <bob2> JanneM: on ppc, it's harder
[03:44] <bob2> JanneM: since they're only built for unstable
[03:44] <deFrysk> bob2, I'll ad that .01% for you to make it a 100
[03:44] <bob2> deFrysk: yay, thanks
[03:44] <JanneM> bob2: ahh, didn't realize it was a different arch
[03:44] <deFrysk> ;p
[03:45] <JanneM> sorry
[03:45] <mat> ogra: same problems that marillat unstable, plus it wants some libpng that I don't have.
[03:45] <bob2> np
[03:45] <bob2> it's not too hard to rebuild, but I'm far too paranoid to distribute them
[03:45] <ogra> mat: so no transcode...hmm
[03:45] <bob2> mayeb someone can convince christian marillat to use ubuntu, then he can build and host them for us ;-)
[03:45] <mat> eheh
[03:45] <johnnybezak> hmmm didnt work gave me no ppc love
[03:45] <stvn> good idea
[03:45] <ogra> mat: there are sources though....
[03:46] <ogra> mat: on cerkinfo
[03:46] <bob2> johnnybezak: you found the honk source?
[03:46] <bob2> honk being the only part of the url I remember, of course ;-)
[03:46] <johnnybezak> bob2: haha lol sounds promising no whats with the honk
[03:46] <mat> ogra: I have never used deb-src foo before though, so a binary package would be nice :)
[03:46] <housetier> the techno-honks?
[03:47] <bob2> johnnybezak: it's linked from christian's site
[03:47] <bob2> but, it's entirely too late for an "early night", so adios, y'all
[03:48] <LinuxJones> Cd burning seems to be broken for me after upgrading to Hoary. Is it just me or are others having the same problem ?
[03:48] <JanneM> I have lots of problems in Hoary
[03:48] <JanneM> it's to be expected, of course
[03:49] <LinuxJones> I think I will go back to warty, I jsut can't leave good dnough alone :D
[03:49] <JanneM> mm
[03:49] <JanneM> I only went to Hoary on one machine because I don't actually depend on anything on that one
[03:50] <JanneM> for me, neither keyboard, not japanese input method works anymore
[03:50] <mirak> seb128: a marche pas
[03:50] <RubenV> is the cannadic already in apt somewhere?
[03:50] <johnnybezak> how do i install debs outside the package manager
[03:50] <ogra> LinuxJones: he is not alone ;)
[03:51] <RubenV> dpkg - i debfile.deb
[03:51] <johnnybezak> thanks ruben
[03:51] <BenZ|ZzZzZ> I accidently killed my top gnome taskbar. anyway to reset it to defaults?
[03:51] <LinuxJones> ogra, you know if it's possible to downgrade back to Warty, It will probably be easier just to re-install I guess :(
[03:51] <BenZ|ZzZzZ> er. panel
[03:52] <JanneM> RubenV: I use UIM and Anthy
[03:52] <ogra> LinuxJones: jdub said no....the right answer is reinstall......
[03:52] <RubenV> JanneM: yes, i had it too
[03:52] <LinuxJones> ogra, ya I kind of figured :D
[03:52] <RubenV> but you had to install the cannadic for anthy manually
[03:52] <JanneM> works really, really well in warty
[03:52] <RubenV> or has that changed already?
[03:52] <JanneM> no
[03:52] <JanneM> well
[03:52] <JanneM> I installed anthy from source
[03:53] <LinuxJones> ok bbiab
[03:53] <RubenV> i know debian.org has a cannadic package for anthy
[03:53] <BenZ|ZzZzZ> anyone know how?
[03:53] <johnnybezak> does anyone here know what initializes the gnome themes on login?
[03:53] <RubenV> weird debian doesn't include it
[03:53] <JanneM> it didn't install from universe when I first tried it
[03:53] <JanneM> on the other hand, uim+anthy worked better out of the box for me than iiim did after six months of tweaking in FC2
[03:54] <ogra> johnnybezak: gconfd
[03:54] <ogra> johnnybezak: with gnome-settings-daemon
[03:54] <johnnybezak> ogra: thanks
[03:57] <JanneM> RubenV: also, from what I see, iiim is either a very closed project or all but dead, while UIM is very active
[03:58] <eazel7> hi
[03:58] <eazel7> how can I make a .deb?
[03:58] <zenwhen> are there any ubuntu devs in here?
[03:59] <eazel7> I mean, I want to package something, how can do I?
[03:59] <zenwhen> currently?
[03:59] <zenwhen> eazel7, you could use checkinstall
[03:59] <zenwhen> check to see if its in synaptic
[03:59] <JanneM> eazel7: I just got this link pointed out to me myself: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[04:00] <zenwhen> then you would just configure your source, make it, and use the checkinstall command
[04:00] <eazel7> thanks
[04:00] <thoreauputic> zenwhen: sometimes works, sometimes not, in my (limited) experience
[04:00] <zenwhen> oh
[04:01] <zenwhen> I was basing my love of it from slackware.
[04:01] <zenwhen> Is it not as good in debian based distros?
[04:01] <thoreauputic> I tried to use checkinstall with gimp 2, and it refused to work...
[04:01] <thoreauputic> but then, gimp is a fairly complex compile I guess
[04:01] <JanneM> gimp is a pretty nontrivial package
[04:02] <dopey> thoreauputic: i'd love to hear the problems you had with checkinstall.
[04:02] <johnnybezak> i'm trying to install mplayer ppc from a source called honk, and its not giving a version number, can i force synaptic to install it anyway
[04:02] <thoreauputic> it compiled fine, but I eneded up putting it in /usr/local
[04:02] <JanneM> johnnybezak: you really sure you'd want to install anything from a source named "Honk"? :)
[04:03] <thoreauputic> dopey: well, it just couldn't quite put the package together , it seems - this was a few months ago so I forget the exact details
[04:04] <thoreauputic> dopey: it has worked on other things I've built, though mostly
[04:05] <johnnybezak> JanneM: haha yeah not particurlarly, but its linked off the chrisitan marrillat site, and i would certainly like mplayer
[04:05] <lhb> has anyone builded multisync packages that will work with evolution 2
[04:05] <thoreauputic> dopey: looks like it was version checkinstall 1.5.3 - maybe there are newer ones?
[04:06] <johnnybezak> ok i'm off to bed, these problems can wait till later
[04:06] <johnnybezak> night guys
[04:08] <dopey> thoreauputic: 1.5.3 is the latest, aside from a 'beta' release
[04:09] <thoreauputic> dopey: ah, OK. I wish I could tell you more, but I didn't see it as a bug since i knew it was expecting a lot to have it work with a build like gimp - it took about 45 minutes to buid, I think
[04:09] <thoreauputic> *build
[04:09] <mirak> seb128: it doesn't work
[04:12] <mirak> seb128: ok, I managed to add it
[04:13] <mirak> seb128: with just Categories=Application;Development;
[04:13] <seb128> ok, nice
[04:13] <mirak> seb128: adding just GNOME;developpement wasn't enough
[04:13] <mirak> seb128: pplciation is the key
[04:13] <oly_mk2> okay, been trying to set up net access on my lappy with ubuntu can anyone give me a hand ?
[04:13] <seb128> sure, you need "Application" for the Applications menu ...
[04:13] <oly_mk2> i think i need pcmcia drivers or something
[04:13] <mirak> yep
[04:14] <mirak> seb128: this requite a relog also
[04:14] <mirak> require
[04:14] <seb128> should not
[04:14] <seb128> if that happens "killall gnome-panel" does the trick
[04:15] <oly_mk2> can i tell if my pcmcia controller is working any way?
[04:15] <oly_mk2> its detected as a OZ6933 Cardbus controller in the device manager
[04:17] <mirak> seb128: yes this works
[04:22] <wfx> gnome sound events does not work, totem play movies without audio and to (extrem)fast. gxine and mplayer works fine. What is going wrong, where should i search?
[04:22] <mirak> seb128: welll it seems that .desktop files of kde are compatible. they just miss Application, and maybe an absolute path to the icon
[04:24] <tweek_> does anyone have a verified md5sum # for i383 i can use o.0
[04:24] <usual> I swear, in all my years of using linux (mostly debian) I have never been completely satisfied with a dist until ubuntu, it's everything I want so far
[04:25] <seb128> mirak: oh ok
[04:25] <mjr> well, that's a usual opinion here ;)
[04:26] <usual> mjr, I can imagine :) but seriously...I just feel the need to share ...it's a pleasure
[04:26] <usual> :)
[04:26] <kensai> If I install a distro on hdb I can use a swap partition in the other disk hda?
[04:27] <mjr> yes
[04:27] <kensai> thanks
[04:27] <mjr> and in fact, that may be faster
[04:27] <wfx> ?
[04:27] <kensai> Kool
[04:27] <usual> yup
[04:27] <tweek_> where can i find a pre-verified md5sum number ?
[04:28] <Riddell> mirak: why would they need an absolute path to the icon, that would go against the icon spec and good practice
[04:29] <mirak> Riddell: ask gnome devs, it's gnome that uses absolute path
[04:30] <mirak> Riddell: hum no sorry
[04:30] <xaero> does ubuntu have its own amd64 support chan?
[04:30] <mirak> Riddell: eclipse.desktop have absolute path to the icon
[04:31] <Tsjoklat> seb128: under applications; system tools: shares I think there should be the gksudo command
[04:31] <Riddell> mirak: that's crazy and I refuse to believe the spec allows or encourages it, it should be an icon name and the icon loader looks in the relevant paths to find it
[04:32] <ogra> mat: hard task :)
[04:32] <mirak> Riddell: amarok could find is icon
[04:32] <mirak> Riddell: so I put the absolute path ad it workd
[04:33] <Riddell> mirak: what did it have before and what did it have after?
[04:33] <mat> ogra: I had to change a few things in the dependancies to get it to build
[04:33] <ogra> mat: jep, i thought so
[04:33] <xenonite> tweek_: of the iso?
[04:34] <mat> now I've got a .deb, going to install it
[04:34] <tweek_> yes
[04:34] <mat> I have no idea how to test if transcode is fully working though
[04:34] <ogra> mat: yay
[04:34] <mirak> Riddell: just amarok
[04:34] <ogra> mat: lol, me neither
[04:34] <mirak> Riddell: and now the full path
[04:34] <xenonite> tweek_: look in the same folder on the ftp-server. there is a file MD5SUMS
[04:34] <tweek_> ok
[04:34] <tweek_> thanks
[04:35] <mirak> Riddell: anyway I don't like how ubuntu handle aliens applications to gnome
[04:35] <mat> mmm let's see if dvdrip works
[04:35] <Tsjoklat> night all
[04:35] <ogra> night
[04:38] <mat> * trying dvdrip ... if anyone has some basic testcases to check if transcode is working tell me :] 
[04:39] <Riddell> mirak: what is the full path?
[04:40] <Foxtrot> hello !
[04:41] <bert_> Hi
[04:41] <bert_> can I ask a question here about my ubuntu installation?
[04:41] <Foxtrot> i have a small question too ask
[04:43] <StarScream> q, did the ubuntu crew do anything to the debian installer to do the automagic xconfiguration etc.. or is it just like that naturally?
[04:44] <daniels> that was our modification
[04:44] <_matti> hey's... I'm having some problems with ubuntu and this usb media panel that goes into a 5.25" slot... basically it identifies itself as a mass storage device cos it has the card reader things, but for some reason ubuntu freezes at boot at the hot plug stage... any ideas?
[04:45] <Foxtrot> sorry to ask a really silly question how can i load a small script that execute the following during the startup " echo 0 > /proc/acpi/fan/FAN0/state"
[04:45] <bert_> does anyone know how I can install my kernel source files?
[04:48] <StarScream> daniels nice mod :)
[04:48] <daniels> thankyou
[04:48] <skallen> Hi
[04:50] <Foxtrot> anybody can help me out ?
[04:50] <mat> transcode now *seems* to work. at least dvdrip doesn't complain
[04:51] <StarScream> Foxtrot whats ur prob?
[04:51] <Echylo> of course we can help you out
[04:52] <Echylo> Humanity for others ? :P
[04:52] <Foxtrot> how can i load a small script that execute the following during the startup " echo 0 > /proc/acpi/fan/FAN0/state"
[04:52] <usual> StarScream, what mod
[04:52] <restrex> ubuntu linux rocks heavy metal
[04:52] <restrex> :D
[04:52] <StarScream> usual...the whole automagically configure everything on installation...
[04:52] <usual> ahh ok
[04:53] <StarScream> i had heaps of issues installing anything on my ibook
[04:53] <StarScream> but ubuntu was awesome
[04:53] <StarScream> it just worked
[04:53] <Echylo> yea
[04:53] <Echylo> same here
[04:53] <Echylo> only my scanner
[04:54] <StarScream> and i have been using slackware for about 3 years so i don't count my self as a novice
[04:54] <usual> I have a veryyyy simple bash script that basically email's me my ip address when executed, I added it as a cron job...when I execute it from a shell myself it works, when cron executes it, it emails me but doesn't add the text it's supposed to...any idea why
[04:54] <Foxtrot> so anybody can help me out are what ?
[04:54] <Echylo> hmm
[04:54] <KingShawn> ubuntu
[04:54] <KingShawn> ruguntu
[04:55] <Echylo> you have something usefull to say?
[04:55] <KingShawn> no
[04:55] <KingShawn> should i leave?
[04:55] <Echylo> no
[04:55] <Echylo> but sssst:)
[04:56] <Foxtrot> Echylo can u help me out ?
[04:56] <Echylo> Well, actually no
[04:56] <Echylo> but
[04:56] <Echylo> somebody will
[04:56] <Echylo> HEY
[04:56] <Echylo> help Foxtrot :p
[04:56] <KingShawn> what yo uneed
[04:56] <KingShawn> i may be able to help
[04:56] <Echylo> Foxtrot> how can i load a small script that execute the following during the startup " echo 0 > /proc/acpi/fan/FAN0/state"
[04:56] <paulproteus> Foxtrot: Maybe if you ask a question someone will answer. :)
[04:56] <Echylo> maybe if you would read
[04:56] <Echylo> ;)
[04:57] <KingShawn> you have anything useful to say?
[04:57] <KingShawn> obviously not
[04:57] <Echylo> who?
[04:57] <paulproteus> Echylo: Yeah, My typing was a bit slow. :)
[04:57] <Echylo> :p
[04:57] <KingShawn> yermamskee
[04:57] <wfx> paulproteus, i have ask and no one here can help... :-)
[04:58] <xukun> is there some one who manage to log ubuntu nxserver from non other than other ubuntu, say from debian or M$ box?
[04:58] <Echylo> hmm
[04:58] <Foxtrot> so
[04:58] <thoreauputic> Foxtrot: the easy way (not really the "Debian way" but it would work) is to add it at the bottom of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[05:00] <thoreauputic> Foxtrot: but not as a script - just put the line in as you want it
[05:01] <Foxtrot> thoreauputic i am trying it as we speak !
[05:01] <xukun> If log in a ubuntu nxserver all I get is a dark screen without any icons!
[05:02] <Foxtrot> thoreauputic can I ask you another question in the mean time ?
[05:02] <thoreauputic> Foxtrot: sure, but I might not be able to answer it - just ask the channel :)
[05:03] <Foxtrot> well it's not a ubuntu problem, ever since I change my videocard to a gf3, I can't see grub or the starting console text, anybody can help out ?
[05:05] <xukun> Foxtrot: maybe that you to schange vga=normal in /menu.lst
[05:05] <xukun> or vga=791
[05:07] <Foxtrot> how can i get mplayer in ubuntu ?
[05:07] <skallen> Is there any known issues installing x86_64 on an MSI K8N Neo2-54g card and WD Raptor SATA drives? I get the error message: An error was returned while trying to install kernel to the target system.
[05:08] <LinuxJones> Foxtrot, I think you might have to re-seat that video card. Check the connection on the video card as well.
[05:08] <wfx> Foxtrot, do you want mplayer?
[05:09] <mat> mmm, my transcode seems to be half-working: video stuff works, audio is b0rken, dunno if it's dvdrip's or transcode's fault
[05:10] <Foxtrot> LinuxJones it works in X
[05:10] <mat> I'll upload my package somewhere, it's better than nothing
[05:10] <wfx> Foxtrot, is on ubuntus website: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/
[05:10] <LinuxJones> Foxtrot, ohhh
[05:11] <usual> does anyone here use bittorrent
[05:12] <usual> http://www.sury.org/ubuntu/
[05:12] <usual> awseome
[05:14] <usual> how can I burn mp3's to an audio CD in ubuntu?
[05:15] <usual> without installing k3b
[05:15] <Treenaks> usual: make wavs out of them and use cdrecord
[05:15] <usual> Treenaks, too bad it's that involved
[05:15] <Treenaks> usual: next version it'll work from rhythmbox
[05:15] <usual> Treenaks, that would be great, coaster was released in beta
[05:16] <usual> Treenaks, can't get it to compile without bakery 2.4
[05:16] <wfx> usual, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/MP3-CD-Burning/intro.html
[05:16] <ogra> Treenaks: or help me testing http://www.grawert.net/software/mrburns/
[05:16] <usual> ty
[05:16] <Treenaks> ogra: I don't have a burner
[05:16] <Treenaks> used to though
[05:17] <wfx> Treenaks, this software does not rely run for me
[05:17] <Treenaks> wfx: which software? cdrecord?
[05:17] <Treenaks> wfx: you should use /dev/hdc (or whereever your CD-ROM is)
[05:17] <ogra> Treenaks: sorry, was inattentive.....i menat usual
[05:17] <wfx> Treenaks, rhythmbox
[05:17] <Treenaks> wfx: (/dev/sr0, something like that)
[05:17] <usual> k
[05:17] <Treenaks> wfx: rhythmbox can't burn CDs yet, but it works fine for playing music
[05:18] <Treenaks> wfx: you just have to install a plugin to be able to play mp3 files
[05:18] <wfx> Treenaks, not for me it kills the smb mountpoint or something like that nautilus hangs etc...
[05:19] <Treenaks> wfx: it's broken for smb, that's known
[05:19] <wfx> Treenaks, and so it not work for me (i have all my song on a share)
[05:19] <kapputu> hello all
[05:20] <Treenaks> wfx: you could make it a NFS mount
[05:21] <wfx> Treenaks, my wife use windows nfs does not work with windows or im wrong?
[05:22] <kapputu> how do I record streaming media ?
[05:22] <ogra> kapputu: streamripper
[05:22] <kapputu> hey ogra, how are u
[05:22] <ogra> fine, thanks
[05:22] <wfx> Treenaks, maybe a ln -s from nfs to the smb share will work but all this stuff for on prog?
[05:23] <thoreauputic> wfx: it's possible to use nfs with windows - a pain I believe though (I haven't tried it)
[05:24] <kapputu> hmm what about real audio files ?
[05:24] <kapputu> is Streamripper compatible with that too ?
[05:24] <thoreauputic> googling nfs windows XP brings up quite a few hits
[05:25] <paulproteus> There are payware programs that let you.
[05:26] <paulproteus> I think one is made by Hummingbird Software.
[05:26] <kapputu> I used TotalRecorder in windows
[05:26] <kapputu> I was thinking of something open-source for starters
[05:26] <Treenaks> wfx: You can share a directory over samba and nfs at the same time from a linux server...
[05:27] <Treenaks> wfx: so you can mount it as NFS on your linux machine, or as smb on your windows machine
[05:42] <xaero> is "warty-release-live-i386.iso" a net install cd?
[05:42] <xaero> similar to debian's netinst?
[05:44] <thoreauputic> xaero: no, I think that's the live CD ( gnoppix type CD)
[05:44] <xaero> okay
[05:51] <claus> i have a question about configuring my printer, I have a epson stylus c82. this printer isnt named in the printer setup wizard. i tried new-stylus-color-series, but printing a test site resulted in an empty page. what can i do?
[05:53] <claus> to be honest, it had to shut off the printer to stop producing more empty pages.
[05:53] <Treenaks> claus: there is a solution
[05:53] <Treenaks> wait
[05:54] <wfx> Treenaks, this is a way but i have more then this one share and i dont like to change it all to nfs (but i rethink over it)
[05:55] <Treenaks> claus: install cupsys-driver-gimpprint-data and the right printer will appear in the list
[05:56] <claus> thanks, can i install it using synaptics?
[05:56] <wfx> claus, youre printer should work http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Epson-Stylus_C82
[05:57] <wfx> printing to a cups server also not working (but this must be realy my fault ;-)
[06:02] <eclipse> can someone help me with something?
[06:02] <eclipse> can someone help me with something?
[06:02] <wfx> :-)
[06:02] <wfx> can someone do somehting...
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[06:03] <wfx> nice question ;-)
[06:03] <mirak> I can't play an audio cd
[06:03] <mirak> anyone have an idea how to do that ?
[06:03] <eclipse> ---
[06:03] <wfx> the best i save it
[06:03] <jono> hi all
[06:03] <eclipse> hh
[06:03] <jono> anyone use bluetooth with linux here?
[06:04] <scoon> yes
[06:04] <eclipse> gg
[06:04] <scoon> jono: yes, i do
[06:04] <scoon> jono: use the logitech mx900 kb & mouse
[06:05] <eclipse> ddd\\
[06:05] <eclipse> this
[06:06] <wfx> ?
[06:06] <eclipse> gg
[06:07] <eclipse> how come i can't change the text color?
[06:07] <eclipse> iffg
[06:07] <eclipse> ghfgh
[06:08] <L|nu}{> lol
[06:08] <ben913> hi
[06:08] <lhb> what is the command to get all gnome development packages?
[06:08] <ben913> what's so special about xorg being in hoary?
[06:09] <jono> cool
[06:09] <eclipse> fggf
[06:09] <eclipse> fgfg
[06:09] <ben913> eclipse, what are u doing?
[06:09] <wfx> fgfg???
[06:09] <xaero> how do i get direct rendering in an ia32-chroot?
[06:10] <eclipse> lol...just testing
[06:10] <ben913> where's the gnome config file?
[06:10] <hns> iz?
[06:10] <wfx> eclipse, open youre on chanel for testing
[06:11] <eclipse> gf
[06:11] <eclipse> gfh
[06:11] <scoon> jono: good luck with it
[06:11] <scoon> jono: its not that hard to set up
[06:11] <wfx> eclipse, please make youre test not here
[06:11] <eclipse> (process:5533): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not can someone explain this to me please!!! "supported by Xlib
[06:11] <eclipse> (process:5533): Gdk-WARNING **: cannot set locale modifiers
[06:11] <eclipse> "
[06:12] <eclipse> dsf
[06:12] <ben913> where's the gnome config file?
[06:13] <eclipse> dsfg
[06:13] <eclipse> fdg
[06:13] <wfx> ben913, what you are search?
[06:13] <wfx> ben913, what will you change?
[06:13] <eclipse> fdg
[06:13] <eclipse> fd
[06:13] <claus> thank you treenaks, my printer was recognized (#1usb-printer). But i cant get the test-page. He told me, he is printing, but no printout shows up. Can someone  show me my mistake?
[06:14] <vincent> hi! I get error running ./configure :   /lib/cpp fails sanity check
[06:14] <eclipse> how do u change the text color in xchat?
[06:14] <stuNNed_> eclipse, for that nautilus error i think you need to `apt-get install gamin`
[06:14] <eclipse> what is gamin?
[06:15] <stuNNed_> eclipse, subset of fam (file alteration monitor)
[06:15] <daniels> eclipse: this channel has modes set which prevent colour setting
[06:15] <wfx> vincent, no c++ compiler?
[06:16] <vincent> yes, gcc
[06:16] <d-b> Is it possible to remove Grub from the install CD?
[06:16] <stuNNed_> vincent, did you `apt-get install build-essential` ?
[06:16] <vincent> i check....
[06:16] <eclipse> i know but i'm talking about my text...it's supposed to be white but it's like dark gray and i can't change it to white
[06:17] <vincent> no i havent!
[06:17] <claus> ok problem solved, i had forgotten to install cupsys-driver-gimpprint. Sorry. stupid me.
[06:18] <wfx> vincent, yiu say gcc but you want g++! or not?
[06:19] <wfx> gcc is Gnu C Compiler
[06:19] <eclipse> fdg
[06:19] <eclipse> fd
[06:19] <eclipse> gfd
[06:19] <eclipse> g
[06:19] <eclipse> fdg
[06:19] <eclipse> fd
[06:19] <stuNNed_> eclipse, stop spewing crap into the channel
[06:19] <wfx> stuNNed i have set it to ignore...
[06:19] <jono> anyone here have a knowledge of localisation for linux?
[06:19] <vincent> dont know! all i want is to install! ;)
[06:20] <vincent> it works now!
[06:20] <eclipse> damn i can't figure this out
[06:20] <wfx> vincent, :-)
[06:20] <eclipse> i can't change the my text color
[06:20] <daniels> eclipse: you will not get colours in this channel, as I explained
[06:20] <daniels> eclipse: no, this is a conscious decision.  any channel with mode +c will have all its colours stripped.  please stop.
[06:21] <eclipse> then my default text is white, right?
[06:21] <eclipse> dude, i know there's something wrong here
[06:21] <d-b> Is it possible to remove grub using the installation CD?
[06:21] <vincent> sudo make install
[06:21] <vincent> sorry...
[06:22] <ogra> eclipse: look for the mirc colors in the xchat settings....
[06:22] <ogra> oops
[06:22] <d-b> ?
[06:23] <veran> hallo
[06:23] <ogra> daniels: he was looking for the client settings, they are in the xchat settings....
[06:23] <ogra> lol
[06:23] <ogra> hallo veran
[06:24] <veran> just trying out my first ubuntu install
[06:24] <wfx> d-b, go switch the terminal [alt] +[f2]  an type dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 count=1 to remove it from dev hda
[06:25] <veran> already told fabbione he did a great job on the X config
[06:25] <ogra> veran: daniels too
[06:25] <d-b> i'll try.
[06:25] <ogra> veran: teamwork ;)
[06:25] <wfx> d-b, stop!!
[06:26] <wfx> ups this copy it to fd0 ;-)
[06:26] <ogra> hehe
[06:26] <veran> team work is a good thing
[06:26] <ogra> wont work without a floppy
[06:26] <d-b> wfx, ?
[06:27] <ogra> veran: teamwork is ubuntu ;)
[06:27] <veran> I could get used to this, the remote access works fine, typing this from a remote machine
[06:27] <wfx> hmmm hase linux fdisk also the mbr option
[06:27] <d-b> wfx, what do you mean?
[06:28] <wfx> d-b, forget what im say
[06:28] <discord> does ubuntu have some non free packages like java?
[06:28] <wfx> d-b, it copy the mbr to a floppy and do not remove it
[06:28] <vincent> I have 2 versions of Glib and it returs an conflict error for installing atk... How can I remove the oldest Glib installation?
[06:28] <ogra> discord: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:29] <ben913> what's so special about xorg in hoary?
[06:29] <d-b> wfx, Now how do I do that? I just want to get rid of grub.
[06:29] <wfx> please add it to the topic! https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:30] <d-b> wfx, Ah. Thanks problem solved.
[06:30] <wfx> d-b, whitout it you cant boot linux, you know?
[06:31] <ogra> wfx: there are about 10 wiki pages you will see here during a night.....that would swell the topic a lot ;)
[06:31] <d-b> wfx, I can't boot anyways. Error 18
[06:32] <d-b> wfx, But, somehow its fixed now.
[06:32] <wfx> ogra, but i read very often how do i install : dvd, mp3 etc... ;-)
[06:32] <ogra> wfx: how do i install nvidia drivers......
[06:32] <wfx> :-)
[06:32] <ogra> wfx: how do i add repos to synaptic
[06:33] <ogra> ect ect
[06:33] <wfx> and so one ..... ;-)
[06:33] <ogra> yep :)
[06:33] <pdaoust> okay, here's a REALLY good one, for anyone with postfix experience
[06:33] <pdaoust> my postfix program is set for local delivery after fetchmail sends all my POP3 mail there, but the postfix log is saying:
[06:34] <pdaoust> postfix: config variable inet_interfaces: host not found: 127.0.0.0/8
[06:34] <pdaoust> can't find 127.0.0.0/8?!?
[06:34] <wfx> ogra, and i alway answer but no one can help me....
[06:34] <StarScream> pdaoust is it in your /etc/hosts?
[06:34] <pdaoust> StarScream: does 127.0.0.0/8 need to be in /etc/hosts?!?
[06:34] <ogra> pdaoust: you really want 127.0.0.1 or dont you ?
[06:35] <StarScream> pdaoust well its normally in there to begin with...
[06:35] <ogra> pdaoust: try: ping localhost
[06:35] <pdaoust> ogra: 127.0.0.0/8 is a euphemism for (127.0.0.1 - 127.254.254.254)
[06:35] <StarScream> also check loopback is enables
[06:35] <StarScream> -d + d
[06:35] <wfx_haveabreak> :)
[06:35] <pdaoust> ogra: I'm getting great stats on pinging 127.0.0.1 ^_^
[06:36] <pdaoust> StarScream: sorry for my ignorance, but where would loopback be enabled? as in, the lo interface?
[06:36] <ogra> pdaoust: doesnt  127.0.0.0/8 include the network address i.e. 127.0.0.0 ?
[06:36] <StarScream> yeh
[06:36] <StarScream> ok erm...lemme think
[06:37] <pdaoust> ogra: yeah, all IPs in the 127.*.*.* class are all loopback
[06:37] <ogra> pdaoust: i know :)
[06:37] <StarScream> post your main.cf to a pastebin somewhere
[06:37] <pdaoust> k, sorry
[06:37] <StarScream> let me have a looks at it
[06:39] <pdaoust> StarScream: /etc/postfix/main.cf is in #flood
[06:39] <pdaoust> StarScream: pretty simple config
[06:39] <pdaoust> StarScream: I'm using transport_maps instead of relayhost
[06:39] <lamont_r> pdaoust: 127/8, aka 127.0.0.0/8 is 127.0.0.0-127.255.255.255, btw
[06:40] <polytan> salut
[06:40] <pdaoust> lamont_r: oh, I thought it stopped at 254, and 255 is broadcast?
[06:40] <lamont_r> 127.255.255.254 /8 is the highest address usable in that network
[06:41] <lamont_r> a hosts component of all 1's is broadcast.  in a /8, that's 24 bits of 1, not 254.254.254
[06:41] <pdaoust> lamont_r: ah, I get it
[06:41] <maswan> lamont_r: hmm.. can't you (in theory) use .255 and have broadcast somewhere else (like .13)?
[06:41] <pdaoust> so 255 can be used for the subnets, but not for the actual host
[06:41] <StarScream> ah found it
[06:41] <ogra> pdaoust: home_mailbox = .maildir/ ??
[06:41] <pdaoust> ya did?!?
[06:41] <maswan> lamont_r: or is that hardwired
[06:41] <StarScream> k yer mynetworks
[06:41] <StarScream> its an ip addy
[06:41] <ogra> pdaoust: ??? ~/.maildir/
[06:41] <pdaoust> StarScream: not supposed to be?
[06:41] <StarScream> you have to tell postfix to accept ips for it
[06:41] <StarScream> you can have it as an ip
[06:41] <lamont_r> of course, many network admins don't realize that, meaning that there are almost always snatchable IP's on anything larger than /24...
[06:42] <StarScream> but you have to tell postfix that you are going to afaik
[06:42] <pdaoust> ogra: yeah, I don't like mbox, mainly because I like using bogofilter through procmail
[06:42] <StarScream> i dont have my postfix book on my though
[06:42] <StarScream> my/me
[06:42] <lamont_r> maswan: most modern OS"s allow you to redefine the broadcast address.  Some hardwire it to all 1's.
[06:42] <maswan> lamont_r: ACK
[06:42] <StarScream> so i can't remember the exact flag
[06:42] <pdaoust> StarScream: I think I'll do that
[06:42] <lamont_r> in the deep dark past, some hardwired it to all zeros, which is why that one is reserved too
[06:42] <ogra> pdaoust: no, i meant does this work without ~/
[06:43] <jono> anyone here know how to convert mbox to maildir and back and fancy writing it as a hack for an O'Reilly book?
[06:43] <StarScream> pdaoust...i think its permit_ip or something like that
[06:43] <pdaoust> ogra: apparently; it was working fine yesterday, and it was something I grabbed directly from a Postfix HOWTO
[06:43] <lamont_r> pdaoust: what are you trying to configure in postfix?
[06:43] <ogra> pdaoust: ok, was just wondering...
[06:44] <pdaoust> jono: you could conceivably set up a POP3 server on your mbox files, use fetchmail to feed all the messages through a (newly configured for maildirs) postfix
[06:44] <pdaoust> jono: that is a little hacky tho
[06:45] <veran> hallo again
[06:45] <jono> pdaoust, is that the only way to do it ?
[06:45] <StarScream> jono i think there are scripts to do it..
[06:45] <pdaoust> lamont_r: not trying to configure anything in particular; it's just that my mail was working fine with my setup yesterday, and today it stopped
[06:45] <StarScream> hang on i'll see if i can find it
[06:45] <pdaoust> jono: yeah, I'm sure there are much simpler ways to do it.
[06:45] <lamont_r> for converting mboxes to maildirs, one could conceivably just use stuff in the mh? package to do the breakup.
[06:45] <jono> pdaoust, have you done it?
[06:45] <veran> heheh going to suspend works, just not coming out of it
[06:46] <StarScream> jono: http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/mb2md/
[06:46] <lamont_r> veran: I've noticed some interesting pain that way too
[06:46] <pdaoust> jono: never have.
[06:46] <ogra> veran: so half the way is done already....great !!
[06:46] <jono> I need someone to write how to do it for a hack for the book
[06:47] <pdaoust> jono: wait, that's not true. I set up two accounts in Evolution: one pointing to my mbox file, and one pointing to my maildir, and just dragged all the messages over ^_^
[06:47] <veran> yep
[06:47] <pdaoust> jono: sorry, no time to write anything down :)
[06:47] <StarScream> jono..do we get royalties ;-)
[06:47] <ogra> :)
[06:47] <jono> no royalties I am afraid
[06:47] <jono> no probs
[06:47] <StarScream> jono what book is it for...?
[06:48] <jono> Linux Desktop Hacks by O'Reilly
[06:48] <jono> I need contributors to write hacks ASAP
[06:48] <jono> on different areas
[06:49] <ogra> jono: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NautilusScriptsHowto
[06:49] <StarScream> jono what hacks do you have so far?
[06:49] <jono> StarScream, we have tons of hacks, but there are still some other things we need contributors for - if you are interesed, /msg me and I will give you some of the things we need contributors for
[06:51] <jono> ogra, cool, have you used those scripts?
[06:52] <ogra> jono: nope, but there are several users, they get tested through the mailing list people mostly
[06:52] <ogra> jono: you will probably find people to contribute there.....
[06:53] <jono> cool
[06:53] <jono> thanks :)
[06:54] <xaero> we had a tset at school, i saved it on a floppy, forgot to unmount
[06:54] <xaero> =.
[06:54] <xaero> =(
[06:55] <vincent> how can I change the environnement variable? 'export' doesnt work
[06:55] <xaero> export VAR="something"
[06:56] <veran> then "env" to check it
[06:57] <xaero> yea, or 'echo $VAR'
[06:57] <vincent> thanks
[06:57] <skelll> hello
[06:59] <flumen> hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu on my old compaq - 16mb ram - is that enough?
[06:59] <veran> nope
[07:00] <veran> 16 mb is enough for a nice console only system
[07:00] <skelll> i have a strange bug when trying to (first) boot the ubuntu i get bunch error on modules loading  and the boot hang up forever
[07:00] <veran> or a VERY basic X setup
[07:00] <[Siff] > speaking of console only systems, does anyone know of a good console only music player?
[07:00] <veran> like twm and all xlib apps
[07:00] <flumen> I'm new to this what distro would you reccomend?
[07:00] <veran> regular debian would be fine
[07:01] <veran> easier to work with on that hardware
[07:01] <skelll> i don't know if that can help but i have same stuff with the yoper
[07:01] <veran> nab a sarge installer cd
[07:01] <d-b> I'm reinstalling Ubuntu, the problem is when the first stage is complete it can't pass grub. it always shows error 18
[07:01] <flumen> I can dl sarge?
[07:01] <veran> you can do alot w/ vim, mc, links
[07:01] <veran> flumen: yeah
[07:02] <veran> get the netinstaller cd
[07:02] <veran> its 110 megs
[07:02] <veran> gives you a base sarge install
[07:02] <veran> OR you could try a floppy based distro
[07:02] <veran> for something even smaller
[07:02] <wfx> what you are plan todo with this small system
[07:03] <flumen> I want to run Squeak
[07:03] <pdaoust> StarScream and ogra: thanks for the help; it turned out the interfaces were connected properly, but my /etc/postfix/transport wasn't
[07:04] <pdaoust> but I did lose 60 messages (probably all spam)
[07:04] <StarScream> pdaoust...ouch
[07:04] <flumen> thanks for the suggections ppl
[07:04] <ben913> hi
[07:04] <ben913> yay, i just upgraded xchat
[07:04] <pdaoust> yep
[07:05] <ben913> and gaim
[07:05] <[Siff] > no console only music players? anyone? anyone?
[07:05] <skelll> no idea why the module loading hang up ?
[07:06] <veran> [Siff] : www.freshmeat.net is your friend
[07:06] <skelll> this computer had debian on it for a while so that is not a incompatibility prob
[07:06] <veran> skelll: what module is locking up?
[07:07] <skelll> veran in eepro100  (missing kernel or user mode driver) but there is bunch of module errors first
[07:08] <veran> hrmmm
[07:08] <wfx> sorry but i must spleep ;-) cua
[07:08] <skelll> after the agp-intel everything seems buggy
[07:08] <veran> this is on an ubuntu install?
[07:08] <skelll> intel-agp
[07:08] <skelll> first boot after the install
[07:09] <zenwhen_> oh
[07:09] <skelll> i have the same on yoper
[07:09] <zenwhen> If you have intel-agp loaded
[07:09] <skelll> exactly same error
[07:09] <veran> betcha your card don't like the fbcon
[07:09] <skelll> rage128
[07:09] <veran> hrmm
[07:10] <zenwhen> If you ahve intel-agp loaded make sure you are using   Option      "NvAGP" "2"
[07:10] <zenwhen> in your XF86Config
[07:10] <veran> since I have only been using ubuntu for 30 minutes, I don't know if you can specify a nofbcon on boot
[07:10] <zenwhen> else, things will be screwy
[07:10] <skelll> zen how?
[07:11] <veran> is that on boot or after gdm starts to load?
[07:11] <Rene_S> hmm, this kinda sucks, after using Ubuntu for the last month turns out I dont like Gnome all that much... Has nothing to do with Ubuntu either, that part impresses me
[07:12] <skelll> veran i don't go to gdm just to module loading so i don't see gdm :)
[07:12] <skelll> Rene_S, get xfce4
[07:13] <Rene_S> skelll, I could try that
[07:13] <michaelz> Anybody knows if evolution 2.1.0 in hoary is broken? I get strange I/O erros on imap connections...?
[07:14] <skelll> Rene_S, xfce4 + rox (the xfce file manager kinda suck)
[07:14] <skelll> i personnaly use bash :)
[07:14] <veran> use the os-cillation debs for xfce4
[07:14] <pdaoust> StarScream: that was weird; I got all my messages back (twice) -- looks like they were spooled!
[07:15] <pdaoust> so 's all good
[07:15] <Rene_S> thanks I was just reading there site
[07:17] <Rene_S> Allrighty then I am off to give XFce4 a whirl
[07:17] <LifesizeKenDoll> Rene_S: deb http://www.os-cillation.de/debian binary/
[07:17] <ben913> Rene_S, xfce sucks
[07:17] <LifesizeKenDoll> Rene_S: deb-src http://www.os-cillation.de/debian source/
[07:17] <pdaoust> Rene_S: It's pretty nice; you'll like it (although I think the file manager is nasty)
[07:17] <eclipse> anyone knows how to change the cursors?
[07:17] <LifesizeKenDoll> ben913: 4.2 is nice
[07:17] <LifesizeKenDoll> I like Gnome, though
[07:17] <skelll> ben913, no it don't
[07:17] <Rene_S> Ok, I will try that with Rox
[07:17] <ben913> nothing compared to metacity on gnome
[07:18] <Rene_S> Rox looks interesting
[07:18] <ben913> all the menus are gone
[07:18] <ben913> and it's pooey
[07:18] <skelll> you don't like it that's quite different
[07:18] <LifesizeKenDoll> Rene_S: put those two repositories in apt, then apt-get install xfld
[07:18] <ben913> skelll, i don't like that the menus are gone
[07:18] <LifesizeKenDoll> Rene_S: that gets you Rox and a whole bunch of other things
[07:18] <pdaoust> eclipse: give me one sec; I know the answer to this one!!! (it'll just take a bit of research)
[07:18] <Rene_S> LifesizeKenDoll, thanks, I will try that
[07:19] <skelll> ben913, wich version ? i was using sid one and there all menu on it
[07:19] <ben913> i dunno, it's the one that's in the warty universe/multiverse
[07:19] <Rene_S> ok i shall return, hopefully hehe
[07:19] <ben913> i meant that all my menus like applications and computer are gone
[07:20] <skelll> oh i don't use the desktop
[07:20] <pdaoust> okay, eclipse, here ya go
[07:21] <zez> getting java to work in ubuntu seems complicated
[07:21] <ben913> skelll, huh? your trying to convince me that xfce is good even though you've never used it?
[07:21] <pdaoust> cursors go into /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons, in their own directory
[07:21] <veran> xfce4.2 is very nice
[07:21] <veran> I run it on my wks and at home
[07:21] <skelll> ben i use it but not the desktop part
[07:21] <pdaoust> eclipse: e.g., if you had a set of cursors called 'osx' they'd go into /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/osx
[07:22] <skelll> ben913, xfce4 is modular
[07:22] <veran> and maybe on this laptop, if metacity irks me as much as it used to
[07:22] <ben913> veran, but it gets rid of the applications and computer menus and i have to remake all my shorcut icons >:-(
[07:22] <veran> I don't use icons
[07:22] <ben913> well i do :p
[07:22] <veran> gimmee an aterm and screen and I am good to go
[07:23] <pdaoust> eclipse: then you want to create a file in /etc/X11/cursors called 'osx.theme'
[07:23] <dlrs> i am a beginer with Ubuntu
[07:23] <ben913> veran, and that's why i don't like xfce
[07:23] <dlrs> who can help me on private for something
[07:23] <pdaoust> eclipse: the contents of 'osx.theme' should be
[07:23] <pdaoust> [Icon Theme] 
[07:23] <pdaoust> Inherits=osx
[07:24] <veran> off to try some gdm themes
[07:26] <skelll> zenwhen, you NvAGP 2 seems for xfree not for the kernel
[07:27] <zenwhen> yes
[07:27] <zenwhen> thats what I said
[07:27] <skelll> that wasn't what i asked for tought
[07:27] <skelll> ;)
[07:32] <|progenic|> excuse me, how to set proxy on the bashrc, what is the syntax
[07:33] <ogra> |progenic|: export http_proxy=http://proxy.xyz.foo:8080
[07:33] <poin__t> ogra: what programs make use of that var?
[07:34] <ogra> apt-get
[07:34] <skelll> nice tip
[07:34] <poin__t> ogra: anything else?
[07:34] <ogra> lynx too i think (didnt try it lately)
[07:35] <poin__t> if i'm not mistaken wget also
[07:35] <ogra> pooin_: these are the only ones i'm using it for......so i cant confirm any others, but i guess a lot of them will use it
[07:37] <skelll> hey i get a Oops (just saw it)
[07:38] <skelll> Oops: 0002 [#1] 
[07:40] <vincent> Hi! which package provides GDK-2.0 or higher?
[07:41] <vincent> anyone knows?
[07:42] <skelll> vincent, apt-get install aptitude
[07:42] <skelll> and type / on it to search
[07:42] <skelll> aptitude is a nice apt frontend
[07:43] <vincent> I'll try, ty
[07:44] <vincent> already installed
[07:44] <vincent> and then?...
[07:44] <vincent> :)
[07:45] <thoreauputic> skelll: he can search in synaptic - doesn't really need aptitude
[07:45] <vincent> yep... it looks the same
[07:45] <RubenV> is there a program to see what files a deb installed?
[07:45] <RubenV> kinda like qpkg --list in gentoo
[07:46] <ogra> dpkg --listfiles
[07:46] <RubenV> great, thanks :)
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[07:46] <skelll> tho i don't know/use synaptic
[07:47] <scoon> anyone know how to change the DocumentRoot in apache2
[07:47] <scoon> it doesn't appear to be resettable with ubuntu ?!
[07:48] <pdaoust> scoon: it's... let's see... I just looked at this the other day...
[07:48] <vincent> ok... I didnt see there where a "supplied-package" search option in synaptic
[07:48] <scoon> pdaoust: thank you, i am having the dardest.
[07:48] <scoon> pdaoust: already created a different .conf file in conf.d, not working.
[07:49] <pdaoust> scoon: it's in a file called /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default
[07:49] <scoon> pdaoust: already added DocumentRoot to apache2.conf, still noting
[07:49] <fissy> anyone know how to get a kodak camera working in ubuntu and linux in general?
[07:49] <scoon> pdaoust: sweet, thank you.  btw, is there docs on this.  gentoo was a bit different than this.
[07:49] <fissy> scoon, i've found that you need to give the new directory a <Directory> definition allowing the pages to be viewed
[07:50] <pdaoust> scoon: no problem. Yeah, it is a little different from Gentoo. Nice path though; I hated typing in 'cd /var/www/localhost/htdocs' :)
[07:50] <mirak_> hey guys will xorg give me tcl support?
[07:50] <pdaoust> scoon: no idea if there's any documentation on it
[07:50] <robertj> is Evolution broken in hoary or do I just need to rm some dot files?
[07:51] <pdaoust> hey, folks, anyone had experience installing any kernel-patch-* packages? do they patch the binary kernel, or do they only touch the source?
[07:51] <pdaoust> wait, I could answer that myself; they don't depend on any linux-source package
[07:51] <pdaoust> wait, I'm totally wrong
[07:52] <pdaoust> maybe I am; maybe I'm not -- now I'm totally confused!!!
[07:53] <StarScream> pdaoust you need to patch the source
[07:53] <|progenic|> excuse me, i cannot see the folder and anything after i mount my fat32 system file, what should i do ?
[07:54] <StarScream> patch -p1 < patchfile.diff
[07:54] <|progenic|> i did "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/C
[07:54] <scoon> can someone test this please: http://66.92.234.243/desktop.png
[07:54] <pdaoust> StarScream: that's what I was worried about
[07:54] <StarScream> pdaoust...what are ya trying to patch
[07:55] <pdaoust> scoon: looks spiffy!
[07:55] <ogra> pdaoust: why do you patch ?
[07:55] <StarScream> scoon testing now
[07:55] <scoon> thanks all
[07:55] <scoon> it's cool, then i am almost there.
[07:55] <scoon> thx
[07:55] <pdaoust> StarScream: I'm trying to help out a person set up PPTP, and I'm not sure if they need something called the 'MPPE' patch
[07:55] <vincent> scoon it works
[07:55] <pdaoust> StarScream and ogra: hopefully they don't need it; hopefully pptp-linux will be sufficient
[07:56] <StarScream> pdaoust...erm..just check and see if its installed and just needs to be loaded as a module
[07:56] <dablitz> can I get some help trying to shutdown a deamon. I am trying to do an irrecord for lirc, and the system won't let me
[07:56] <ogra> soon....i see java
[07:56] <vincent> I cant find where to get GDK-2.0... help please!
[07:56] <dablitz> killall just does not seem to work
[07:56] <ogra> scoon
[07:56] <scoon> dablitz:  /etc/init.d/the-name-of-the-daemon stop
[07:56] <scoon> orga: yes ?
[07:57] <dablitz> did that already
[07:57] <ogra> scoon....i said above ... i see java
[07:57] <dablitz> but when I do an irrecord lircd.conf i cannot seem to get anywhere
[07:57] <scoon> dablitz: ps aux | grep daemon-name ?
[07:57] <scoon> orga: yes, SCJP
[07:57] <scoon> orga: eclipse-3
[07:57] <dablitz> i will try that
[07:57] <ogra> scoon ah
[07:58] <dablitz> ok what am I looking at scoon
[07:58] <dablitz> 4405  0.0  0.2  1816  556 pts/0    R+   13:58   0:00 grep lircd
[07:58] <scoon> dablitz: is that it ?
[07:58] <StarScream> anyone managed to get a silver speedtouch dsl modem working under ubuntu?
[07:59] <scoon> dablitz: if so that means that the lircd daemon is NOT running
[07:59] <ogra> StarScream: what should be the prob with that ?
[07:59] <mirak_> hey guys will xorg give me tcl support?
[07:59] <dablitz> ok i will now try a irrecord
[07:59] <scoon> dablitz: if it were, you would see another line with lircd
[08:00] <|progenic|> excuse me, i cannot see the folder and anything after i mount my fat32 system file, what should i do ?
[08:00] <ogra> mirak: what do you mean ?
[08:00] <dablitz> scoon this is what I get -->>irrecord: could not init hardware (lircd running ? --> close it, check permissions)
[08:00] <ogra> |progenic|: says: mount in a terminal its mounted ?
[08:00] <fissy> anyone here use a kodak digital camera?
[08:00] <mirak_> ogra, when i run glxgears it says "disabling TCL support"
[08:01] <scoon> dablitz: that is prolly just a suggestion.  look for something else to be wrong.  unfortunately, i have never used lirc.
[08:01] <scoon> dablitz: so i won't be that much help to you prolly.
[08:01] <mirak_> ogra, and after i upgraded to hoary(still xfree) i got a new strange message
[08:01] <dablitz> thanks so far scoon
[08:01] <ogra> mirak: what is tcl suooprt? what do you need it for.....does it slow down glxgears ?
[08:01] <scoon> dablitz: np
[08:02] <scoon> TO ALL: everyone here is so nice.  much diff than what i am used to.  thank you ubuntu.
[08:02] <ogra> fissy: whats the prob ?
[08:02] <mirak_> ogra, idk, never had it enabled
[08:02] <ogra> mirak: so why do you worry ?
[08:03] <eclipse> does anyone know how to change cursors?
[08:03] <wood1> Help, How do I install KDE ?
[08:03] <fissy> ogra, when i plug in my kodak dx3500 camera, nothing happens - nothing shows up in my log files, nothing in /proc.../usb/, nothing pops up on the desktop
[08:04] <|progenic|> ogra, i've mounted, but when i browse using nautilus, i can't differentiate which one is folder, all file with the icon foot of gnome logo
[08:04] <mirak_> ogra, hmmm, i guess your right, but give me a bit to get back to hoary,(x broke yesterday, had to re-install), and maybe you can help me with my new message
[08:04] <ogra> |progenic|: show your mount line again
[08:04] <fissy> wood1, use synaptic
[08:04] <wood1> Synaptic gives me errors
[08:05] <|progenic|> mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/C
[08:05] <scoon> so does anyone roll their own kernels, or do they just use what is in synaptic ?
[08:05] <mirak_> ogra, what is the best way to go hoary? apt-get upgrade, dist-upgrade, synaptic smart?
[08:05] <JDahl> fissy, first try "lspci" and "ls /dev/proc/scsi*" to see if the device is recognized
[08:05] <wood1> How to I update firefox 0.9.3 to 1.0 ?
[08:05] <ogra> mount -t vfat -o umask=000 /dev/hda1 /mnt/C
[08:06] <ogra> or
[08:06] <ogra> mount -t vfat -o rw,umask=000 /dev/hda1 /mnt/C
[08:06] <fissy> JDahl, not in lspci or /dev/proc/scsi*
[08:06] <fissy> i don't think it uses usb mass storage though
[08:06] <fissy> so it perhaps wouldn't show up ni the second of thsoe
[08:06] <JDahl> fissy, ok... then I am out if ideas
[08:06] <ogra> fissy: is it in you device manager ?
[08:06] <fissy> nada
[08:07] <ogra> thats bad....
[08:07] <fissy> yes
[08:07] <fissy> does the ubuntu kernel have usbfs compiled in?
[08:07] <ogra> fissy: pitti....could help probably
[08:07] <pitti> fissy: yes
[08:07] <StarScream> ogra: i am just having trouble making a connection with it
[08:08] <mirak_> what is the best way to go hoary? apt-get upgrade, dist-upgrade, synaptic smart?
[08:08] <pitti> fissy: at least it's available by default in /proc/filesystems
[08:08] <ogra> StarScream: what did you try ?
[08:08] <StarScream> ogra was wondering if anyone had managed to get it working. I have followed all of the speedtouch howto's i can find on googole
[08:08] <StarScream> google even :)
[08:08] <fissy> pitti, yes its in there
[08:08] <JDahl> fissy, I am using a usb harddrive and a digital camery with usb flash access, without problems or configuration
[08:09] <StarScream> most of them are for 2.4 kernels too which doesn't help
[08:09] <ogra> pitti: its about a kodak dx3500 camera (usb)
[08:09] <fissy> JDahl, yes, i'm using a sony digital camera and a 120GB hard drive on another computer with ubuntu without problems, its just this camera :(
[08:09] <fissy> its listed in the devices gthumb supports
[08:09] <fissy> but it doesn't seem to be detected at all
[08:10] <StarScream> fissy: does dmesg give anything when you plug it in?
[08:11] <fissy> i don't think so
[08:11] <ogra> StarScream: /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/drivers/usb/misc/speedtch.ko
[08:11] <fissy> does dmesg output things in chronological order or do i need to go through it all?
[08:11] <ogra> StarScream: did you use this driver ?
[08:11] <eclipse> does Synaptic work with Federo Core?
[08:12] <fissy> wb JDahl
[08:12] <StarScream> ogra i don't think i tried that one, didn't even know about it.  i will have a look thank you
[08:12] <ogra> ;)
[08:12] <JDahl> xchat is playing tricks with me..
[08:12] <RubenV> scoon: are you using java-gnome?
[08:12] <ogra> StarScream: sudo modprobe speedtch should do it  :)
[08:13] <scoon> RubenV: i have been trying to get it compiled, but to now avail.
[08:13] <StarScream> ogra: cheers, i'll let you know how it goes
[08:13] <scoon> RubenV: i used it when i was running gentoo, but haven't had much luck getting going in the last couple of days.
[08:13] <giard> does anyone know when firefox 1.0 is going to make it in?
[08:13] <Gwildor> isnt it already?
[08:13] <scoon> RubenV:: the really long answer is yes/no
[08:14] <eclipse> giard, u mean in ubuntu CD?
[08:14] <giard> I mean when you apt-get
[08:14] <RubenV> scoon: i'm looking at it too now
[08:14] <eclipse> oh, not yet
[08:14] <giard> when I update I always get 0.9.3
[08:14] <JDahl> Gwildor, not in Warty
[08:14] <RubenV> but i need some example code to compile
[08:14] <giard> how do you switch to hoary?
[08:14] <scoon> RubenV: well the way i used to get it was thru cvs.
[08:14] <giard> just change the name?
[08:14] <Gwildor> jdahl, think maybe someone should start #ubuntu-hoary?
[08:15] <eclipse> giard, just apt-get remove mozilla-firefox and then go to firefox.com and d/l the latest file
[08:15] <RubenV> i'm using the 2.8 experimental debs from debian experimental
[08:15] <scoon> RubenV: ah.
[08:15] <JDahl> Gwildor, then I would be lonely here
[08:15] <giard> eclipse: I could do that.  Was hoping to keep a clean system :(
[08:15] <Gwildor> jdahl, hahaha
[08:15] <RubenV> but i'm not sure if it compiles
[08:15] <eclipse> lol...trust me it's ok
[08:15] <scoon> RubenV: i may end up needing to go that route
[08:15] <RubenV> looking for docs/example code first
[08:16] <eclipse> by the way, i was running ubuntu hoary and it's wicked unstable
[08:16] <scoon> RubenV: there is a ton in the source
[08:16] <RubenV> not anymore it seems
[08:16] <RubenV> atleast not in the 2.8  deb
[08:16] <ogra> eclipse: its supposed to be...its dev ;)
[08:16] <eclipse> lol...i know
[08:17] <eclipse> but i was hoping for something for reliable
[08:17] <scoon> CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous\@anoncvs.gnome.org:/cvs/gnome cvs -z3 co -r MAINT_2_8 java-gnome
[08:17] <scoon> RubenV: that will get you the STABLE 2.8 source
[08:17] <eclipse> ogra, u know if federo core works with synaptic?
[08:17] <RubenV> maybe we should build our own debs
[08:17] <RubenV> ubuntu based
[08:17] <usual> orga I tried mrburns
[08:18] <usual> orga, it didn't work at all
[08:18] <ogra> eclipse: i dont kow what fedora uses for package management.... never touched fedora ;)
[08:18] <usual> ogra, sorry for the typo
[08:18] <eclipse> it's rpm-based
[08:18] <ogra> usual: what kind of burner ?
[08:18] <RubenV> eclipse: fedora has up2date
[08:18] <RubenV> which sucks
[08:18] <eclipse> i know
[08:18] <usual> ogra, liteon, it saw the burner
[08:19] <michael315> it uses up2date/yum/apt
[08:19] <ogra> usual: any special chars in the filenames ? its not string safe yet....
[08:19] <giard> has anyone heard anything about some CD-R drives only being recognized to burn only cd-rw?  I seem to be having that problem with warty
[08:19] <scoon> so now i have a PHP ?
[08:19] <usual> ogra, spaces and dashes
[08:20] <eclipse> michael, but does fedora have synaptic?
[08:20] <usual> ogra, also ogg, if that matters
[08:20] <ogra> usual: nothing unusual so....
[08:20] <scoon> i use apache2 and want php to go w/ it.  if i and apt php4, i get stuck with old apache
[08:20] <RubenV> scoon: there's a package for apache2 php
[08:20] <ogra> usual: is it a ide device ?
[08:20] <RubenV> libapache2-mod-php4
[08:21] <usual> ogra, yes
[08:21] <michael315> eclipse: yes, but it is currently broken
[08:21] <RubenV> no php5 unfortunately
[08:21] <usual> ogra, it listed the device, and brought a term up
[08:21] <eclipse> ok
[08:21] <usual> ogra, it said starting in 5 seconds
[08:21] <ogra> usual: and then ?
[08:21] <usual> ogra, then the term dissapeared
[08:21] <scoon> RubenV: thanks.  my eyes are slow.
[08:21] <michael315> apt for rpm is a lot slower than this apt
[08:22] <eclipse> well, maybe i just stick with ubuntu....by the way, is there a another distro that is similar to ubuntu?
[08:22] <ogra> usual: where are your files located, local disk ?
[08:22] <FallenHitokiri> eclipse: debian is similar to ubuntu
[08:22] <ogra> eclipse: nothing is similar to ubuntu
[08:23] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: debian is 3 years old
[08:23] <eclipse> ok i guess i'm sticking w/ubuntu then
[08:23] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: you cant say its similar
[08:23] <michael315> you are on a good thing, i am sticking with it too
[08:23] <FallenHitokiri> orga: than I take Sarge and have a "new Debian"
[08:23] <RubenV> debian has slow release cycles and bloody old software
[08:23] <StarScream> yeh ubuntu really is unique
[08:24] <eclipse> i guess i'm going to apt-get dist-upgrade to see if some of the bugs r gone
[08:24] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: not a stable one ;)
[08:24] <fissy> if anyone works out my kodak problem, please pm me :)
[08:24] <d-b> How can I get a serial mouse to work?
[08:24] <FallenHitokiri> orga: Sarge is more stable than SuSE ;)
[08:24] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: lol
[08:24] <FallenHitokiri> and ubuntu did enough trouble on my system
[08:24] <eclipse> d-b: damn u r still using serial mouse?
[08:24] <StarScream> fissy, sorry i had to go cook, was it in dmesg?
[08:24] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: huh ?
[08:24] <d-b> eclipse, yup.
[08:25] <FallenHitokiri> orga: first it worte a wrong fstab so I could not use my scsi.devices
[08:25] <fissy> StarScream, nadad
[08:25] <fissy> nada
[08:25] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: real scsi ? or usb
[08:25] <FallenHitokiri> and k3b doesn't work. It crashes while starting. the strace-file is 2.5mb big ;)
[08:25] <eclipse> serial is so slow compared to ps/2 and usb
[08:25] <FallenHitokiri> orga: real scsi
[08:25] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: oh
[08:25] <d-b> eclipse, I know.
[08:25] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: k3b isnt supported.....
[08:25] <d-b> I just want to know how I can get it to work.
[08:25] <Azzam> hello
[08:25] <RubenV> d-b: it's not that hard
[08:25] <StarScream> ok i'm off to try my speedtouch :)
[08:25] <eclipse> d-b, y don't u just upgrade to a usb mouse?
[08:26] <Azzam> how does ubuntu compare with the other distros?
[08:26] <RubenV> just set the device to /dev/ttyS0
[08:26] <RubenV> and restart X
[08:26] <d-b> eclipse, Because my computer doesn't have a USB port.
[08:26] <FallenHitokiri> orga: I know but I need a programm to burn my cds and I don't like xcdroast
[08:26] <d-b> eclipse, I'd like to work on something that I have right now.
[08:26] <eclipse> u can the usb pci adapter
[08:26] <eclipse> get^
[08:26] <FallenHitokiri> Azzam: ubuntu has a big advantage.. it hast got apt
[08:26] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: nautilus is great for burning though
[08:26] <RubenV> d-b: you know where you should edit your X config?
[08:27] <d-b> RubenV, Yeah. in etc/X11
[08:27] <FallenHitokiri> orga: not for burning video dvds and stuff like that. and nautilus doesn't work with my scsi-devices
[08:27] <FallenHitokiri> i can only write an image
[08:27] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: sudo modprobe sg
[08:27] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: should work....
[08:28] <RubenV> d-b: ok, put the Device of Mouse to /dev/ttyS0
[08:28] <FallenHitokiri> orga: i allready did load sg and it doesn't work
[08:28] <RubenV> or whatever port it's connected to
[08:28] <RubenV> and try that
[08:28] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: crazy
[08:28] <d-b> RubenV, What about the "imps2" attribute? What'll I replace it with?
[08:28] <wza> ne1 managed to use mscorefonts on ubuntu?
[08:28] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: cdrecord --scanbus sess them ?
[08:28] <eclipse> anyone tried out the new nvidia driver yet?
[08:28] <RubenV> erm, good question
[08:28] <FallenHitokiri> orga: yes
[08:28] <RubenV> lemme think for a sec
[08:29] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: so nautils should do too , weird
[08:29] <scoon> ah nice
[08:29] <scoon> php is now on the working side
[08:29] <FallenHitokiri> orga: yeah.. weird... i thought that too
[08:29] <scoon> thanks again everyone
[08:29] <RubenV> well, you could try IMPS2 first
[08:30] <RubenV> else i'd try Microsoft
[08:30] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: german ?
[08:30] <ulisse> hi, folks
[08:30] <RubenV> (yes, i know, sound horrible eh ;))
[08:30] <FallenHitokiri> orga: yes (is my english so bad tonight? )
[08:30] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: just saw your ip....from where, i sit in the eifel
[08:31] <ulisse> does anyone uses gxmame?
[08:31] <FallenHitokiri> orga: hessen / near heidelberg or mannheim
[08:31] <scoon> eclipse: i am running 6.111
[08:31] <eclipse> that's what i'm running but i'm talking about the newer one i think it's like 6299 or something
[08:32] <eclipse> just came out for a few weeks now
[08:32] <scoon> eclipse: nah, i use the nvidia installer.  that is the def that it gave me.
[08:32] <moyote> I have a problem playing audio cds. If someone is willing to help?
[08:32] <ulisse> does anyone uses gxmame?
[08:33] <eclipse> moyote: no sound?
[08:33] <FallenHitokiri> is the partitontool the same as the one in debian?
[08:33] <moyote> eclipse, well, yes and no. I can see the cd spinning and it's playing but no output sound to speakers.
[08:34] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: yu mean the installer tool ?
[08:34] <Protege61894> I need help installing Nvidia NFORCE drivers.
[08:34] <eclipse> moyote: so no sound
[08:34] <FallenHitokiri> orga: yes
[08:34] <ulisse> moyote: did you ckeck the mixer settings for CD?
[08:34] <moyote> no, system sounds and such
[08:34] <eclipse> ok u r not using digital output jack, right?
[08:34] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: i think so....
[08:35] <moyote> no, i've checked that.
[08:35] <eclipse> try this command alsamixer
[08:35] <FallenHitokiri> is there a way to use the old one that came with woody ?
[08:35] <moyote> eclipse, yes alsamixer
[08:35] <ogra> moyogo: what kind of system are you at ?
[08:35] <moyote> Master is 100 and so is PCM
[08:36] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: nope....
[08:36] <eclipse> moyote, check and make sure everything is ok and it's muted
[08:36] <moyote> ubuntu is on my slow box amd duron 800 and onboard sis sound
[08:36] <moyote> you mean unmuted
[08:36] <moyote> ?
[08:36] <ogra> moyote: laptop ? or desktop ?
[08:36] <Gwildor> moyote, i have to make sure that VIA DXS is turned up
[08:37] <FallenHitokiri> thats bad.. I don't trust this new stuff...
[08:37] <moyote> desktop
[08:37] <eclipse> ok...then u need to switch to ac'97 tab to adjust the settings
[08:37] <moyote> how?
[08:37] <StarScream> it worked!!!
[08:37] <eclipse> ur using ubuntu, right?
[08:37] <StarScream> i'm on the net under ubuntu
[08:37] <ogra> FallenHitokiri: why, works great normally did you file a bug for the scsi stuff ?
[08:37] <ulisse> moyote: in the top of mixer window
[08:37] <StarScream> with my carp ass speedtouch
[08:37] <moyote> eclipse, yes
[08:37] <ogra> StarScream: congrats
[08:38] <StarScream> thanks for yer help
[08:38] <ogra> youre welcome ;)
[08:38] <Gwildor> moyote, right click on the speaker thing, and OPEN VOLUME CONTROL
[08:38] <FallenHitokiri> orga: I wasn't able to make a swap. And I thing the old one was better to handle
[08:38] <eclipse> that volume control on the panel doesn't work at all
[08:39] <moyote> ok open speaker
[08:39] <Gwildor> eclipse, ??
[08:39] <ogra> eclipse: ??
[08:39] <eclipse> Gwilder, vol. control doesn't work for me
[08:40] <vincent> I cant find where to get GDK-2.0...(Gtk2-dev installed) help please!
[08:40] <eclipse> i have to use alsamixer
[08:40] <Gwildor> moyote, you have an asla tab?
[08:40] <eclipse> cause i'm using the digital output jack
[08:40] <Gwildor> eclipse, oh, ok, sorry
[08:40] <ogra> eclipse: yep, ok
[08:40] <moyote> alsatab, where is that?
[08:41] <Gwildor> moyote, you are in volume control?
[08:41] <ogra> moyote: in the mixer are normally two tabs
[08:41] <ulisse> I'll repeat my question: does anyone uses (or knows) gxmame?
[08:41] <eclipse> moyote, type alsamixer and tell me what u see?
[08:41] <moyote> Gwildor, you mean alsamixer, yes
[08:41] <Gwildor> moyote, i have 2 tabs one for oss and 1 for alsa
[08:41] <moyote> i see the mixer controls
[08:41] <eclipse> ogra, true
[08:41] <eclipse> there r 2 tabs
[08:41] <moyote> Gwildor, yes I have that
[08:41] <Gwildor> moyote, go all the way to the right and see if you have VIA DXS
[08:42] <Gwildor> moyote, turn those up
[08:42] <moyote> Gwildor, ok doing it now
[08:42] <Gwildor> moyote, kk
[08:42] <eclipse> make sure everything is all the way up and it's not muted
[08:42] <moyote> Gwildor, all the way to the right i don't see via dxs
[08:43] <Gwildor> moyote, anything over there?
[08:43] <moyote> External amplifier
[08:43] <Gwildor> moyote, sorry, can help no more :(
[08:44] <Gwildor> i tried
[08:44] <eclipse> moyote, i think ur on the wrong tab
[08:44] <moyote> Gwildor, thanks
[08:44] <Gwildor> eclipse, oss tab ends at VIDEO
[08:44] <moyote> Well, I just unmuted Master on the Volume control. let me try to play a cd and see what happens. Give me a few minutes.
[08:45] <Xenguy> Hello, I need some advice from someone who knows hardware (video cards) better than I do...
[08:45] <eclipse> lol...it better work
[08:45] <Gwildor> eclipse, and external amplifier is right before the VIA DXS stuff
[08:45] <Gwildor> moyote, that mute is a problem
[08:45] <Xenguy> I tried an Ubu install last night on an old P-233 that has a 'S3 Trio' video card...
[08:45] <eclipse> so moyote, did it work for u?
[08:45] <Protege61894> Does anyone know how to fix this error?   ERROR: Unable to find the kernel source tree for the currently running
[08:45] <Protege61894>          kernel.  Please make sure you have installed the kernel source files
[08:45] <Protege61894>          for your kernel; on Red Hat Linux systems, for example, be sure you
[08:45] <Protege61894>          have the 'kernel-source' rpm installed.  If you know the correct
[08:45] <Protege61894>          kernel source files are installed, you may specify the kernel source
[08:45] <Protege61894>          path with the '--kernel-source-path' commandline option.
[08:46] <Protege61894> I get it when I try to install Nvidia NFORCE Drivers.
[08:46] <StarScream> hey is the latest version of firefox included in ubuntu...apt-get update mozilla-firefox doesnt seem to update
[08:46] <Xenguy> While I was able to complete the install, Ubu was unable to setup X :-(  ...
[08:46] <Gwildor> startscream, i bielive in hoary
[08:46] <Rene_S> Ok, this is funky
[08:47] <StarScream> ah furry muff
[08:47] <Gwildor> lol
[08:47] <Xenguy> I am getting the impression that the 'S3 Trio' video cards are problematic, and perhaps have no drivers in X v4.x -- can anyone confirm whether there is any way to get X going with this video card?
[08:47] <ulisse> still nothing about gxmame?
[08:47] <Gwildor> ulisse, i dont use it...have no roms
[08:47] <ogra> Protege61894: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:48] <Gwildor> ulisse, maybe just ask neways
[08:48] <eclipse> ulisse, u don't know how to use mame or something?
[08:49] <ulisse> no, I installed GXMAME, but it seems that cannot crate games.ini
[08:49] <d-b> What's Ubuntu's equivalent to KPPP?
[08:49] <Protege61894> Ogra: will the Nvidia Graphics card drivers work for NFORCE? NFORCE are the motherboard drivers not the graphics card.
[08:49] <ulisse> when I refresh gamelist, I can't see anything in the window
[08:49] <Treenaks> Protege61894: though you can plug a GForce card in your NForce motherboard
[08:50] <ulisse> but if I audit all games, i found 10 working games
[08:50] <eclipse> ulisse, maybe it's a bug so u need to go to their website and get the latest one
[08:50] <Gwildor> ulisse, maybe your default game directory is not pointing to the correct place?
[08:50] <Xenguy> d-b: pppconfig  ?
[08:50] <z0mbi3> anyone here uses qemu to run windows?
[08:50] <d-b> thanks.
[08:50] <alka_trash> can anyone recommend a ftp program for setting up a server?
[08:50] <ogra> Protege61894: nope, but the nforce drivers should already be there....
[08:51] <Xenguy> d-b: double-check that (I'm not in Ubu ATM)
[08:51] <ulisse> eclipse: I tried with the last version either in .deb or in src package,
[08:51] <ogra> Protege61894: afaik: i2c-nforce2
[08:51] <ulisse> eclipse: the same for xmame
[08:51] <eclipse> ok
[08:51] <moyote> eclipse, no it's not working, you know, I think this mobo is just too old. Works well, but I had trouble with this in other distros too.
[08:51] <ulisse> but still no working.
[08:51] <Xenguy> alka_trash: vsftp has a good reputation from what I hear
[08:52] <eclipse> moyote, ok
[08:52] <alka_trash> ok I'll look it up, thanks
[08:52] <moyote> Alsa doesn't recognize the onboard sound, at least that's what dmesg tells me
[08:52] <eclipse> then it doesn't work for u
[08:52] <ulisse> If I run a game from console (EG: xmame mslug.zip) it works normally
[08:52] <Xenguy> alka_trash: yw (there are others too of course)
[08:52] <moyote> What command do I use in debian to check for the sound card grep -i audio /proc/pci doesn't work.
[08:52] <eclipse> after using gnome for a while i think it renders text much better than kde
[08:53] <ogra> moyote: is it probably a ISA card ?
[08:53] <eclipse> fonts r so smooth
[08:53] <alka_trash> Xenguy: just not sure where start looking
[08:53] <ogra> moyote: many onboard cards are
[08:53] <moyote> it;s on board sound chip
[08:53] <Xenguy> alka_trash: nod
[08:54] <JDahl> jeez, ubuntu is a hog - my install takes 3.5GB
[08:54] <moyote> ok, but I would need to recompile the kernel, something I don't do well in Debian with. I always recompile the kernel with my other distros. but I plead stupidity here in Debian.
[08:55] <ogra> moyote: what for ?
[08:55] <Gwildor> kk, just finished my hoary upgrade, can anyone help me get Xorg working....ATI
[08:55] <moyote> so alsa can recognize the sound chip????
[08:55] <t17mh> Howdy -- so I've installed ubuntu the backasswards way -- as an upgrade from sid -- and am almost functional. One problem: Computer->Desktop Preferences is empty. (they still show up under Applications, though). Any idea how I could fix this?
[08:55] <ogra> moyote: nope.... you just need the right driver
[08:55] <eclipse> Gwildor, what do u need?
[08:56] <ogra> moyote: do you know what soundchip it is ?
[08:56] <Gwildor> eclipse, im a newb, i would like to get Xorg working, i dont have the slightest idea what to do/ where to start
[08:56] <moyote> ogra wait one
[08:56] <moyote> Sis chip, I think
[08:56] <eclipse> and ur using ATI?
[08:56] <ogra> moyote: a bit more....?
[08:57] <Gwildor> eclipse, also, you should know the wiki binaryhowto breaks my X
[08:57] <eclipse> i know a lot about nvidia but not sure what to do with ati
[08:57] <ogra> moyote: a number or something
[08:57] <mirak> eclipse: don't use xorg
[08:57] <Gwildor> eclipse, but i get 4k+ fps with default drivers
[08:57] <ulisse> exit
[08:57] <eclipse> gwildor, it breaks ur x?
[08:57] <mirak> Gwildor: if you have an ati
[08:57] <moyote> Well Alsa Mixer shows Sis SI7018
[08:57] <moyote> Does that mean that that is the chip I have on the mobo?
[08:57] <mirak> Gwildor: reinstall xfree86 and the fglrx-driver
[08:58] <ogra> moyote: nope, but ots a start.... wait
[08:58] <eclipse> ok look in ur xorg.conf and it shows u the command to configure x
[08:58] <Gwildor> mirak, im trying to get xorg working
[08:58] <eclipse> mirak, he's using x.org not xfree86
[08:58] <Gwildor> eclipse, where is that located?
[08:58] <mirak> Gwildor: forget xorg ATI drivers doesn' work on xorg
[08:58] <eclipse> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:58] <Gwildor> eclipse, i am still using xfree, i want to start using xorg
[08:58] <eclipse> oh
[08:59] <mirak> Gwildor: ARE YOU LISTENING TO ME ?
[08:59] <mirak> Gwildor: I told you will not have hardware acceleration with xorg
[08:59] <eclipse> just do sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core
[08:59] <eclipse> but u have to change the sources.list to hoary
[08:59] <Gwildor> mirak, well i dont get it with xfree either
[09:00] <mirak> Gwildor: that's because you must run fglrxconfig script
[09:00] <Gwildor> eclipse, sources are changed
[09:00] <ogra> moyote: do in a terminal: lsmod|grep trident
[09:00] <Gwildor> mirak, can you help me with this?
[09:00] <mirak> Gwildor: and of course install fglrx-driver package, and fglrx-control
[09:00] <eclipse> mirak, i have hardware accel with xorg
[09:00] <mirak> eclipse: on ATI ?
[09:00] <eclipse> but i'm using nvidia
[09:00] <RubenV> ain't it just adding a line to the config?
[09:00] <eclipse> oh ok
[09:00] <mirak> eclipse: pfff
[09:00] <RubenV> eclipse: me too, how?
[09:01] <Gwildor> mirak, fglrx-drivers render my X unusable
[09:01] <moyote> yes, ogra I get some results with that What are you lookin for?
[09:01] <eclipse> i guess ati sux
[09:01] <ogra> moyote: proper loaded modules....
[09:01] <mirak> Gwildor: have you run fglrxconfig ?
[09:01] <RubenV> eclipse: what did you add to your config to get the accell working?
[09:01] <ogra> moyote: your souldmodule is snd-trident
[09:01] <moyote> snd_trident
[09:02] <mirak> Gwildor: I guess no, so do that, answer the question restartx
[09:02] <eclipse> RubenV, r u running nvidia?
[09:02] <moyote> so, how do I let alsa know that
[09:02] <Gwildor> mirak, this is what happens, i do the wiki binaryhowto, restart x, and it doenst start, so i re-install
[09:02] <StolenShoeBox> can anyone help me i want to duel boot ubuntu and windows
[09:02] <ogra> moyote: lsmod|grep oss
[09:02] <RubenV> eclipse: on my laptop, yes
[09:02] <moyote> ogra, yes 4 modules there
[09:03] <Gwildor> mirak, so i need to do the binary howto, restartx then from terminal do fglrxconfig
[09:03] <mirak> Gwildor: no !
[09:03] <ogra> moyote: pcm and mixer ?
[09:03] <moyote> snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss
[09:03] <moyote> ogra, yes
[09:03] <Xenguy> StolenShoeBox: I have a friend who wants to also - there must be a FAQ on the wiki, have you checked that yet?
[09:03] <Gwildor> mirak, then what should i do?
[09:03] <scoon> anyone here use PEAR and php ?
[09:03] <StolenShoeBox> Xenguy: no i should thow. =)
[09:03] <mirak> Gwildor: apt-get install fglrx-driver fglrx-control
[09:03] <Gwildor> fglrxconfig before the restart?
[09:03] <mirak> Gwildor: fglrxconfig
[09:03] <eclipse> RubenV, after installing nvidia driver...the ubuntu says to run nvidia-glr but it doesn't work
[09:03] <mirak> Gwildor: and restartx
[09:03] <StolenShoeBox> Xenguy: just tought id try here first =P
[09:04] <Gwildor> mirak, kk, i will try
[09:04] <RubenV> i've switched my X config to use the nvidia driver
[09:04] <eclipse> RubenV, all u have to do is edit the xorg.conf file
[09:04] <Xenguy> StolenShoeBox: I'm working on another problem (bum video card) but I'll get to it eventually
[09:04] <RubenV> and i've put renderaccell to 1
[09:04] <RubenV> anything more i should do?
[09:04] <StolenShoeBox> Xenguys: i c. well thx for the help im checkin out the wiki =)
[09:04] <scoon> RubenV: do you use pear ?
[09:04] <eclipse> no, RenderAccel should be "on" or "off"
[09:05] <ogra> moyote: show me your complete lsmod|grep snd output in #flood please
[09:05] <RubenV> scoon: for PHP? yes, all the time
[09:05] <eclipse> not "1" or "0"
[09:05] <RubenV> aha, i'll put it to On
[09:05] <scoon> RubenV: i found the .deb and apt'd it, but it is not showing up as an installed mod in phpinfo() ?
[09:05] <RubenV> pear ain't a php module
[09:06] <Gwildor> mirak, i have radeon 7000, the wiki howto say this will work for it, fglrxconfig doesnt show my card, what should i do?
[09:06] <eclipse> RubenV, but that's not the way to turn ur hardware accel on
[09:06] <RubenV> pear is a set of PHP classes
[09:06] <Xenguy> So no one knows whether my crappy S3 Trio video card will work with X/Ubu?
[09:06] <mirak> Gwildor: I have radeon8500
[09:06] <mirak> Gwildor: I don't know about 7000
[09:06] <RubenV> eclipse: i thought i missed something
[09:06] <eclipse> all u do is edit the line "nv" to "nvidia"
[09:06] <RubenV> done that
[09:06] <eclipse> that's the main key to turn hardware accel on
[09:06] <scoon> RubenV: yes, i know.  but i used to just have it included w/ php and it just worked, like for phpmyadmin
[09:06] <ogra> eclipse: but thats not xorg
[09:07] <eclipse> ogra, what do u mean?
[09:07] <ogra> eclipse: you said you would get xorg accel running with nvidia
[09:07] <ogra> eclipse: nvidia-glx is not an xorg driver
[09:08] <RubenV> ogra: it does work however ;)
[09:08] <ogra> RubenV: sure....
[09:08] <moyote> ogra, how do I paste that in #flood. sorry for being stupid here.
[09:08] <eclipse> ogra, nvidia-glr is just command to turn your "nv" to "nvidia" in xorg.conf
[09:09] <Gwildor> mirak, do i want  xfree86-dga enabled?
[09:09] <ogra> moyote: mark it in the terminal.....switch to #flood and press the middlemouse
[09:09] <moyote> ty
[09:09] <ogra> moyote: over the input field
[09:09] <eclipse> was i right, ogra?
[09:10] <ogra> eclipse: nvidia-glx is the driver from nvidia for xfree86
[09:10] <moyote> ogra, that doesn't seem to work.
[09:10] <RubenV> ogra: works in Xorg too
[09:10] <wza> ne1 know how to adjust volume with ksmp3play?
[09:10] <RubenV> else my X wouldn't start anymore
[09:10] <ogra> RubenV: sure.., but now its xfree
[09:10] <RubenV> ogra: I'm pretty sure i'm on Xorg
[09:10] <eclipse> ogra, nvidia is a small program to enable X to use hardware acceleration, ok?
[09:10] <ogra> Ruben
[09:10] <RubenV> I nuked XFree 2 hours ago and rebooted
[09:11] <ogra> eclipse: nvidia-glx is a binary driver that causes lots of troubles because you cant recompile it its built against xfree86
[09:11] <eclipse> that's y i don't run that command
[09:12] <eclipse> all u have to do is edit the xorg.conf file
[09:12] <ogra> eclipse: nvidia-glx-config is a shellsript that comes with this driver to enable the config...
[09:13] <mirak_> does a logout restart x?
[09:13] <RubenV> mirak sometimes
[09:13] <eclipse> duh, like i didn't know that
[09:13] <RubenV> but a zap is more effective
[09:13] <RubenV> ctrl alt backspace
[09:13] <ogra> eclipse: nvidia-glx-config edits your XFree86Config-4
[09:13] <Amaranth> mirak_: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[09:13] <moyote> where is xorg.conf located?
[09:13] <Treenaks> /etc/X11/
[09:13] <mirak_> rubenv, i just upgraded to hoary, and did the wiki binaryhowto for ati, is logout sufficient?
[09:14] <eclipse> ogra: man, ur a dumb kid...u shouldn't even try to use linux period
[09:14] <RubenV> restart it or zap it
[09:14] <RubenV> zap is most simple way :)
[09:14] <moyote> does ubuntu use xorg or xfree?
[09:14] <Amaranth> ogra: Note: xorg and xfree86 are the same thing.
[09:14] <ogra> eclipse: i'm working with linux since 8 years :)
[09:14] <ogra> Amaranth: yep yet....
[09:14] <Amaranth> moyote: xfree86 in warty, xorg in hoary
[09:14] <thoreauputic> moyote: warty uses xfree
[09:14] <Gwildor> rubenv, how to ZAP it?
[09:14] <eclipse> but it seems to be u don't even know what ur talking about
[09:14] <moyote> ty
[09:15] <RubenV> ctrk alt backspace
[09:15] <ogra> Amaranth: thats why RubenV is still able to use the binary nvidia xfree86 driver
[09:15] <Amaranth> ogra: Yes.
[09:15] <Amaranth> ogra: You are making it sound like you can't do that.
[09:15] <eclipse> ogra: that's what i thought
[09:15] <RubenV> erm, what's the problem again?
[09:15] <thoreauputic> eclipse: his spelling appears to be better, on the other hand
[09:15] <Gwildor> well, it looks like i am ok
[09:16] <RubenV> this sounds like a pointless discussion
[09:16] <Gwildor> mirak, thnx so much, my x didnt break this itme
[09:16] <Gwildor> time*
[09:16] <ogra> Amaranth: you will run into problems sooner or later with that
[09:16] <eclipse> thoreauputic, it's shortcut boy
[09:16] <RubenV> glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"
[09:16] <RubenV> try this to see if your driver works correctly
[09:16] <ogra> Amaranth: the libs will change, but the binary driver cant get recompiled i.e.
[09:16] <Amaranth> ogra: I don't see how, xfree86 + some updates == xorg
[09:17] <RubenV> Amaranth: it's a fork
[09:17] <Amaranth> ogra: That's down the line.
[09:17] <Amaranth> RubenV: I know.
[09:17] <StarScream> how do i bump my cpu frequency up?
[09:17] <|progenic|> excuse me, i have installed webmin, but here i need my root password to get login into it, any idea how ?
[09:17] <ogra> Amaranth: they wil drift apart
[09:17] <eclipse> thoreauputic, that's what thought too
[09:17] <Amaranth> ogra: nvidia will have binary drivers for xorg instead of xfree86 by then
[09:17] <RubenV> Xorg is the way to go anyway
[09:17] <Gwildor> rubenv, i get "direct rendering: No"
[09:17] <ogra> Amaranth: youre sure ?
[09:17] <RubenV> XFree has about no support ;)
[09:17] <RubenV> ogra: check the XFree site
[09:17] <Amaranth> ogra: They've already said they will.
[09:17] <scoon> RubenV: got it thanks.
[09:17] <RubenV> look what distros support it
[09:17] <ogra> Amaranth: k
[09:18] <RubenV> you'll see why they'll support Xorg
[09:18] <ogra> Amaranth: i just was a little upset because eclipse said he would get accelerated xorg which is simply wrong...
[09:19] <Gwildor> mirak, those drivers i just installed made my graphics card worse
[09:19] <RubenV> ogra: we have accelerated xorg
[09:19] <Gwildor> rubenv, ati?
[09:19] <RubenV> the driver works on both X-es
[09:19] <Amaranth> ogra: I have accelerated xorg.
[09:19] <ogra> RubenV: you have no xorg...as i said, you have nvidi
[09:19] <ogra> a
[09:19] <eclipse> ogra: i didn't say "i would"
[09:19] <RubenV> well, I recall my X working with ati on my desktop
[09:20] <RubenV> and that's an ATI xorg
[09:20] <ogra> i talk about nvidia here
[09:20] <eclipse> ogra: check your sentence structure while at it
[09:20] <RubenV> can't check it now though, I'm at home, during the week while i'm at university i can access that pc
[09:20] <Amaranth> The nVidia driver works with xorg.
[09:20] <Gwildor> is there anyway to go back to the default ubuntu ati drivers?
[09:20] <mirak> Gwildor: for me it works
[09:20] <ogra> eclipse: i'm german point me to a good grammar, i will read it :)
[09:21] <RubenV> Gwildor: i had accellerated ATI Xorg too
[09:21] <usual> where can I get the ubuntu palette?
[09:21] <RubenV> usual: from your local ubuntu install cd
[09:21] <RubenV> just push it in and boot it ;)
[09:21] <thoreauputic> ogra: you're doing fine - better than some I won't name :)
[09:21] <ogra> usual: in the wiki
[09:21] <eclipse> ogra, no wonder you don't even what you're talking about
[09:21] <usual> ogra, thanks
[09:21] <ogra> thoreauputic: thanks :)
[09:21] <Gwildor> mirak, well, i did what you said, it doesnt work for me, do "glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"
[09:21] <eclipse> know^
[09:22] <thoreauputic> eclipse: if you can't be civil, then say nothing or leave, please
[09:22] <eclipse> well i gotta go play my Dawn of War game
[09:23] <wza> do that
[09:23] <usual> ogra, is there one I can download and use in the gimp
[09:23] <eclipse> thoreauputic, shut up u don't even know what u r talking about boy
[09:23] <|progenic|> excuse me, i have installed webmin, but here i need my root password to get login into it, any idea how ?
[09:23] <ogra> usual: look for artwork with the search function
[09:23] <eclipse> lol....what's i thought
[09:23] <usual> ogra, i found the pallete, but it's just the #'s
[09:23] <wza> progenic, use the tar o install from
[09:23] <eclipse> i bet u can't even log in ubuntu with a root ID
[09:24] <pdaous1> |progenic|: have you tried using your regular password?
[09:24] <RubenV> sudo su and set a root password
[09:24] <RubenV> but webmin is evil ;)
[09:24] <pdaous1> |progenic|: if you're new to Ubuntu, you'll be surprised to find it doesn't use a root acount by default
[09:25] <eclipse> RubenV: WRONG!!!
[09:25] <pdaous1> eclipse: who are you trying to impress, if anyone?
[09:25] <ogra> usual: so what do you need else ?
[09:25] <usual> ogra, i got it, nm...wasn't thinking
[09:25] <RubenV> eclipse: nothing wrong with that
[09:25] <RubenV> if you know what you're doing
[09:26] <JDahl> one thing I miss here is for dpkg to crack down on leet talk
[09:26] <eclipse> pdaous1: i just thought most of you knew what ur talking about
[09:26] <tmp> so how do i use my news server with evolution?? i can't get it to work?
[09:26] <ogra> RubenV: but you have to use sudo anyways in x ..... what do you gain with a root pw ?
[09:26] <pdaous1> eclipse: I think a lot of us are intermediate users; had some experience and trying to help others who don't have as much
[09:26] <tmp> any help would be apreciated ... :)
[09:27] <RubenV> ogra: running unstable gnome-system-tools ;)
[09:27] <eclipse> pdaous1: i agree with u but some people here r just freaking dumb
[09:27] <RubenV> eclipse: where's the ubuntu man
[09:27] <pdaous1> eclipse: ogra has helped me out on a number of occasions
[09:27] <ogra> RubenV: not the ubuntu ones , ah
[09:27] <pdaous1> eclipse: we can't be perfectly knowledgeable 100% of the time
[09:28] <RubenV> pdaous1: true
[09:28] <RubenV> but we can be nice to eachother
[09:28] <eclipse> i guess ur right on that ...so i'm sorry that i called u dumd, ogra
[09:28] <ogra> eclipse: and i ejoy a good discussion if both know what they talk about.....
[09:29] <eclipse> i guess pdaous1 is a peacekeeper in here
[09:29] <pdaous1> aw shucks
[09:29] <ogra> eclipse: dont worry, as we germans say (to get the grammar right) ich hab ein dickes fell
[09:29] <pdaous1> /pdaous1 wonders why on earth his name is pdaous1 when it's supposed to be pdaoust
[09:29] <RubenV> i have an elephant skin for the non german speaking ;)
[09:30] <ogra> lol
[09:30] <tmp> specifically, anyone got an idea how to subscribe to a newsgroup in evolution?
[09:30] <ogra> didnt know this
[09:30] <pdaous1> RubenV: thanks for translating; I thought it might have been something about erectile dysfunction ^_^
[09:30] <thoreauputic> pdaous1: I was referring to someone else :)
[09:30] <RubenV> for the record: i don't understand german either ;)
[09:30] <RubenV> tmp: yes
[09:30] <eclipse> ok i gotta play my Dawn of War game
[09:30] <pdaous1> thoreauputic: ohhhhhhhhhh kay :)
[09:30] <ogra> tmp: i never tried, sorry
[09:30] <RubenV> add a new mail account
[09:30] <RubenV> and choose NNTP
[09:30] <eclipse> later people
[09:30] <pdaous1> adios!
[09:30] <ogra> ciao
[09:30] <StarScream> whats the best way to make sure my apt-cache is up to date?
[09:30] <eclipse> peace out!!!
[09:30] <cardador> StarScream: apt-get update
[09:31] <pdaous1> StarScream: automatically?
[09:31] <ogra> StarScream: apt-get update
[09:31] <RubenV> cron :)
[09:31] <ogra> heh
[09:31] <StarScream> hmm ok, i did that but kde still has unmet deps
[09:31] <pdaous1> StarScream and RubenV: that's what I was gonna suggest -- cron :)
[09:31] <pdaous1> 'course, if you use Synaptic, it checks for updates automatically, I b'lieve
[09:31] <RubenV> pdaous1: no
[09:32] <RubenV> it warns you if you haven't pushed reload for 48 hours :)
[09:32] <pdaous1> RubenV: no? oh, okay then... it just
[09:32] <pdaous1> ah, that's what it was
[09:32] <tmp> RubenV: i did m8, but how do i subscribe to a newsgroup??
[09:32] <RubenV> hmmm
[09:32] <RubenV> maybe through subscribe to folder :)
[09:32] <RubenV> no idea
[09:32] <RubenV> lemme try it out :)
[09:32] <StarScream> can i use the debian sid kde packages? or is that going to break something?
[09:33] <tmp> RubenV: cheers m8
[09:33] <thoreauputic> tmp: usually your isp will have a news server like   news.yourisp.com
[09:34] <thoreauputic> tmp: if that was part of your doubts
[09:35] <RubenV> tmp: sry, can't access the news server outside of the university network
[09:35] <tmp> thoreauputic: i figured it out, you have to "subscribe to folder" on the news server
[09:36] <thoreauputic> aha
[09:40] <thoreauputic> wfx: sleep is over-rated :)
[09:40] <tiago> hi there, anybody has some experience in Ubuntu on Vmware? I have a problem while installing, the installer stops in 20% (Retrieving libc6-udev)
[09:41] <wfx> ;-)
[09:41] <Gwildor> is there any way for me to revert to the ubuntu default ati drivers?
[09:41] <cardador> Gwildor: uninstall the ones you have?
[09:41] <will> has anyone here upgraded to hoary here?
[09:42] <Gwildor> cardador, thats it?
[09:42] <Gwildor> will, i have
[09:42] <wfx> Gwildor, take a look:  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3567.html
[09:42] <cardador> Gwildor: and then install the ones from the repository
[09:42] <Gwildor> cardador, from the wiki binaryhowto???........those are the ones i want to get rid of
[09:42] <will> Gwildor: do you find the nautilus file manager very slow?
[09:42] <ogra> lol
[09:43] <ogra> Gwildor: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:44] <Gwildor> will, ehh....seems fine
[09:44] <tiago> Maybe to disable some options before load the image?
[09:44] <ogra> Gwildor: change fglrx back to ati in the Drivers section
[09:44] <wfx> do we have abot in this chanel?
[09:44] <Gwildor> ogra, i think im gonna try to do what wfx said to do, but if that doesnt work ill do what you sad, thnx
[09:45] <Gwildor> wfx, just ogra|bot
[09:45] <ogra> Gwildor: remove fglrx from /etc/modules
[09:45] <ogra> *g*
[09:45] <amathis> anyone been able to get .m4a support with beep media player?
[09:45] <will> gwildor: its pig slow on my celeron 500! and i went to display the contents of a folder, and i got the root!
[09:45] <ogra> Gwildor: you run hoary ?
[09:46] <Gwildor> ogra, yup
[09:46] <cardador> will: apt-get install gamin
[09:46] <ogra> Gwildor: then edit /etc/xorg.conf
[09:46] <wfx> i think this chanel need a bot that we can teach with some keywords: mp3 -> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-302.html ...
[09:46] <Gwildor> ogra, im still using xfree
[09:46] <ogra> Gwildor: then edit /etc/xorg.conf , sorry
[09:47] <wfx> or any other resource
[09:47] <Gwildor> ogra, ^^
[09:47] <ogra> Gwildor: on hoary ??
[09:47] <Treenaks> wfx: or www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:47] <wfx> yes ;-)
[09:47] <Gwildor> ogra, yup, i hear that xorg will be worse for my raeon 7000
[09:47] <Gwildor> radeon*
[09:47] <ogra> Gwildor: oh
[09:48] <Gwildor> ogra, is this true?
[09:48] <ogra> Gwildor: what ?
[09:48] <Gwildor> ogra or should i go Xorg?
[09:48] <Gwildor> ogra, is it tru that XORG will be worse for my radeon 7000
[09:48] <ogra> Gwildor: dunno, ask daniels if he is around
[09:48] <Gwildor> ogra, kk
[09:48] <Gwildor> daniels, you around?
[09:48] <ogra> Gwildor: seems away....greyed out here
[09:48] <GammaRay> if I wanted to add another window manager to gdm, where would i put the script?
[09:49] <Gwildor> ogra, seeing that now as well
[09:49] <will> cardador: thanx!
[09:49] <amathis> wfx: was that directed toward me?
[09:50] <will> xorg seems to be slightly faster on my 500celeron than xfree86 if its any help :)
[09:50] <wfx> amathis, sorry what?
[09:50] <amathis> wfx: I asked about .m4a support, and you posted a mp3 link..
[09:50] <amathis> wfx: dunno if that was for me or not
[09:51] <wfx> no it wasnt
[09:51] <ogra> Gwildor: fabbione could tell you too...
[09:51] <StarScream> hey is there any way to enable a click when i touch my laptops trackpad. I can do it in OSX but i gost no idea where to even start looking in linux
[09:51] <billytwowilly> StarScream, synaptics
[09:52] <wfx> amathis, is m4a == aac?
[09:52] <billytwowilly> atleast that's what I think the package is called
[09:52] <amathis> wfx: install aac and I should be fine?
[09:52] <amathis> *tries*
[09:53] <billytwowilly> StarScream, xorg-driver-synaptics or switch xorg with xfree I think
[09:53] <wfx> amathis, when it is the same. yes i think so but im not sure
[09:53] <d0gmaz> wich kernel ships ubuntu warty?
[09:53] <Gwildor> ogra, x is broken again
[09:53] <ogra> Gwildor: what did you do so ?
[09:54] <Gwildor> ogra, i cant remember his name, but someone pointed me to a forum thread, i did that, x is broke
[09:54] <ogra> ugh
[09:54] <ogra> k
[09:54] <wfx> d0gmaz, uname -r show me 2.6.8.1-3-386
[09:54] <Gwildor> ogra, evertime i try to use the wiki binaryhowto drivers x breaks
[09:55] <Gwildor> ogra, i must say i got a bit further this time
[09:55] <ogra> Gwildor: lsmod | grep fglrx ?
[09:55] <wfx> hmmm, do i have warty??
[09:55] <Gwildor> ogra, if you could tell me how to edit my xfree file from terminal, i think i can get it back
[09:56] <oddabe19> Gwildor, nano -w /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:56] <ogra> Gwildor: sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:56] <d0gmaz> why xfree? i downloaded ubuntu and discovered xfree is used why?
[09:56] <oddabe19> that's the one ;-)
[09:56] <oddabe19> d0gmaz, cause Xorg wasn't ported yet
[09:56] <ogra> d0gmaz: wasnt ready
[09:56] <oddabe19> it is now in hoary
[09:57] <ogra> d0gmaz: its in the development branch
[09:57] <will> who has hoary here and what do you think about it??
[09:57] <d0gmaz> wich version 6.8.1?
[09:57] <oddabe19> yep
[09:57] <oddabe19> hoary is great
[09:57] <oddabe19> little unstable at first
[09:57] <oddabe19> but it's pretty level now
[09:58] <oddabe19> for the most part
[09:58] <Gwildor> will, other than i keep breaking my x, (not really hoary), i think its fine
[09:58] <Gwildor> exit
[09:58] <Gwildor> ogra, how do i get back to terminal from this irc chat?
[09:58] <d0gmaz> :P
[09:59] <ogra> Gwil: ctrl-alt-f1 to edit in the console ctrl-alt-f7 to get back
[09:59] <GammaRay> og: he
[09:59] <tiago> anybody installed Ubuntu on Vmware 4.5?
[09:59] <GammaRay> og: he's too far gone
[09:59] <ogra> oops
[10:00] <Gwildor> ogra, can you give me that path again
[10:00] <Gwildor> what i tried gave me a blank document
[10:01] <ogra> Gwildor: sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ??
[10:01] <Gwildor> ogra, thnx
[10:01] <ogra> Gwil: or this one ? ctrl-alt-f1 to edit in the console ctrl-alt-f7 to get back
[10:01] <ogra> lol
[10:02] <gloin_> hey, I can't seem to find a deb package for rarutils... am I just doing something stupid?  (entirely possible)
[10:02] <ogra> rarutils ? whats that ?
[10:02] <gloin_> tools to create and extract .rar files
[10:02] <ogra> unrar-nonfree ?
[10:02] <gloin_> ?
[10:02] <ogra> its in multiverse
[10:02] <thoreauputic> gloin_: that's the package
[10:03] <gloin_> odd
[10:03] <gloin_> I thought I had multiverse setup
[10:03] <ogra> what ?
[10:03] <ogra> oh
[10:03] <tiago> How can I install ubuntu via NFS?
[10:03] <gloin_> I have universe
[10:03] <ogra> so add multiverse
[10:03] <gloin_> so universe does not include all multi packages?
[10:03] <gloin_> ahh!
[10:03] <ogra> right behind it with a space
[10:04] <ogra> multiverse holds all legal suspicious packages
[10:04] <gloin_> ok
[10:04] <gloin_> what does universe hold then?
[10:04] <ogra> all unsupported software
[10:05] <gloin_> a distinction too fine for my thick head apparently
[10:05] <gloin_> hmm
[10:05] <ogra> not really true....thogh.... its expected that the community sends patches for universe pkgs
[10:05] <amathis> ok, is it possible for me to conver .m4a to .mp3?
[10:06] <gloin_> I'm surprised that Firefox is still at 0.9.x
[10:07] <GammaRay> amathis: try mplayer. it should be able to convert them to wav
[10:09] <GammaRay> amathis: mplayer "$file" -ao pcm -aofile "${file/.m4a/.wav/}"
[10:11] <blatch> is there anything like testing or unstable for ubuntu?
[10:11] <blatch> i mean, i'm using firefox .9.3 here! and ettercap 6.b?
[10:11] <ogra> blatch: hoary.....
[10:11] <blatch> :(
[10:11] <blatch> how would i change my apt repository to that?
[10:12] <ogra> blatch: but its actively developed, so things can break
[10:12] <blatch> ah
[10:12] <ogra> :)
[10:12] <blatch> is that what you use?
[10:12] <ogra> wfx: write one ;)
[10:12] <ogra> blatch: nope, i use wrty and wait
[10:12] <ogra> warty
[10:12] <gloin_> heh
[10:12] <blatch> ah, cool
[10:13] <ogra> blatch: i have an hoary box to play artound though
[10:13] <gloin_> anyone have an ETA for firefox 1.0 hitting warty?  I'm about ready to fight through a hand-install just because it is that much better.
[10:13] <ogra> gloin_: wont happen
[10:14] <lamont_r> gloin_: warty?  won't happen
[10:14] <gloin_> wha??!
[10:14] <lamont_r> hoary, definitely
[10:14] <ogra> gloin_: warty is stable
[10:14] <gloin_> why the heck not?
[10:14] <lamont_r> warty is, like, done.
[10:14] <gloin_> so is Firefox 1.0
[10:14] <gloin_> err
[10:14] <lamont_r> yeah - but warty will not change.
[10:14] <gloin_> sorry
[10:14] <will> im using hoary
[10:14] <gloin_> getting a bit emotional
[10:14] <gloin_> lol
[10:14] <ogra> gloin_: stable means it stays as it is  in this case
[10:14] <gloin_> gotcha
[10:14] <gloin_> well
[10:14] <GammaRay> blatch: you could probably mix in a few hoary packages
[10:14] <thoreauputic> gloin_: stable == not changing  in this context
[10:14] <ogra> GammaRay: bah
[10:14] <gloin_> anone have a link to the .deb package from hoary for firefox?
[10:15] <lamont_r> warty-updates or warty-securty, if it was a big-bad-bug in what's in warty, but I doubt that for firefox 1.;0
[10:15] <gloin_> I don't want to go to the hoary repository because I like most things to remain stable
[10:15] <will> they will only release serious security patches
[10:15] <thoreauputic> gloin_: just use the mozilla.org binary :)
[10:15] <gloin_> yeah, they do release security packages, thankfully =] 
[10:16] <will> can you go back from hoary to warty?
[10:16] <ogra> nope
[10:16] <ogra> reinstall
[10:16] <gloin_> thoreauputic: yeah, I just don't want to lose the integration that I have with the overall ubuntu system
[10:16] <lamont_r> will: warty-updates has slightly less stringent requirements than warty-security, but still not a wide open thing...
[10:16] <WW> ogra: Is it not possible to pin to warty in order to revert?
[10:16] <will> so am i stuck with hoary now?
[10:16] <ogra> WW: i thought that too, but jdub sopped me with this words ;) and i belive him :)
[10:17] <ogra> #t
[10:17] <lamont_r> downgrades can be interesting in debian packages...
[10:17] <WW> ogra: OK.  I never tried it, but I thought was asking about it here several days ago, and did it by using a pin priority > 1000.
[10:17] <lamont_r> it's _supposed_ to work, but frequently doesn't.
[10:17] <WW> s/thought was/though someone was/
[10:18] <Rene_S> LifesizeKenDoll, I installed Xfce 4.2, its a little funky but seems to work well
[10:18] <GammaRay> you guys kinda make me miss my urpmi/rpm :-P
[10:18] <lamont_r> WW: it's doable, but not all packages like you to do it...
[10:18] <ogra> WW: i think its possoble, but i wouldnt test this assumption ;)
[10:18] <will> well, if i ever try, i will let you all know!
[10:19] <lamont_r> generally speaking, if you cause a lower version of a package to be installed (downgrade), it _should_ do the right thing.  In practice, many packages do.  Some, uh, don't.
[10:19] <ogra> WW: would probably break a lot of configs
[10:20] <blatch> what's a good gnome-bluetooth manager in universe? and also, what's the apt package to install gcc (and all the required and helpful things?)
[10:20] <will> WINE is very slow now in hoary
[10:20] <ogra> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:20] <ogra> wfx.......
[10:20] <blatch> ogra, thx
[10:21] <thoreauputic> gloin_: re. firefox installer - if you install it in your home dir and just link to it, then you can uninstall anytime and not affect the ubuntu packaging system
[10:21] <gloin_> yah
[10:21] <gloin_> but that's lame
[10:21] <ogra> gloin_: hoary is stable in april.....
[10:21] <wfx> :) yes
[10:21] <gloin_> does anyone have a link to the hoary repository?  I'd like to grab a single package from there...
[10:21] <thoreauputic> gloin_: it works - it's no lamer than compiling something :)
[10:22] <gloin_> true
[10:22] <gloin_> I'd just as soon grab the mozilla installer from the hoary repository =] 
[10:22] <gloin_> since I'm assuming it's more current
[10:22] <wfx> ogra, i searching for some faq-bots :-)
[10:22] <thoreauputic> gloin_: grabbing single packages, on the other hand, is almost asking to break things
[10:22] <ogra> wfx: hehe
[10:22] <gloin_> either that or I'm going to figure out how to build the .deb package myself and post it somewhere
[10:23] <gloin_> the improvements in firefox going toward 1.0 are significant and worth having
[10:23] <thoreauputic> gloin_: good luck - compiling firefox is a nightmare
[10:23] <gloin_> lol
[10:23] <gloin_> I've done it
[10:23] <gloin_> takes a couple days
[10:23] <will> fiiiiiiiire!!!!FOX!
[10:23] <gloin_> but
[10:23] <gloin_> I was thinking of basing it on their binary package
[10:23] <gloin_> getting all the ubuntu integration working
[10:23] <thoreauputic> ah I see
[10:23] <gloin_> and making a .deb of that
[10:24] <ogra> gloin_: i guess you will need more then one package....there are certainly dependencys
[10:24] <gloin_> kind of like what you see with packman for SuSE (3rd-party RPM maintainer)
[10:25] <gloin_> or does anyone happen to know of a 3rd-party ubuntu package maintainer allready out there?
[10:27] <darksatanic> I doubt this is Ubuntu-specific, but it's on an ubuntu box...
[10:27] <darksatanic> Anyone know what causes this:
[10:27] <darksatanic> root@selene:~ # mount /dev/hdc3 /media/selene-disk2/
[10:27] <darksatanic> mount: /dev/hdc3 already mounted or /media/selene-disk2/ busy
[10:27] <Treenaks> darksatanic: /dev/hdc3 is already mounted
[10:27] <darksatanic> No, it isn't.
[10:27] <Xenguy> darksatanic: use fuser or lsof to find out what/who is using the mounted filesystem
[10:28] <darksatanic> Nothing in /proc/mounts or /etc/mtab
[10:28] <gloin_> darksatanic: I've encountered that before, nothing worked short of a reboot
[10:28] <darksatanic> lsof reports nothing using the directory
[10:28] <darksatanic> I've just rebooted the machine.
[10:28] <Xenguy> hrm
[10:28] <gloin_> seems that cdrom automount is a but nutty still
[10:28] <wfx> darksatanic, hmmm, i miss the -t FILESYSTEM
[10:28] <darksatanic> hdc is a hard disk.
[10:28] <Xenguy> darksatanic: using NFS at all?
[10:28] <darksatanic> Xenguy: Yes.
[10:28] <darksatanic> wfx: Makes no difference.
[10:29] <wfx> cat /proc/partition show you hdc3
[10:29] <Xenguy> darksatanic: that may explain it - I found NFS to be pretty flakey that way, but this was years ago on Sun boxen
[10:29] <darksatanic> Xenguy: Is this a known bad interaction with NFS, then?
[10:29] <darksatanic> The disk in question is nowhere near an FNS mount, though.
[10:29] <thoreauputic> darksatanic: it's slightly messy, but umount -l usually works (lazy umount)
[10:29] <Xenguy> darksatanic: possibly - something to keep in mind as you monitor in the future
[10:29] <zenwhen> hi there
[10:30] <darksatanic> wfx: Yes, that's there. I can fsck it, I just can't mount it.
[10:30] <darksatanic> wfx: All three partitions on that drive do the same.
[10:30] <StarScream> Xenguy have you tried AFS i find it more stable than nfs
[10:30] <zenwhen> pleas do not cuss i am on office network thank you darkersatanic
[10:30] <darksatanic> zenwhen: Eh? That was a technical term.
[10:30] <Xenguy> StarScream: I try not to go anywhere near NFS, but that's just me - thanks for the tip tho
[10:31] <StarScream> Xenguy yeh i dont really like NFS either :)
[10:31] <zenwhen> lol
[10:31] <claus> i want to install eclipse, does someone know an apt source where i can get it
[10:31] <StarScream> zenwhen fsck is what you do to check your file systems...
[10:31] <zenwhen> wtf is ecipse
[10:31] <zenwhen> I know i was joking
[10:31] <zenwhen> lol
[10:31] <StarScream> zenwhen its an IDE
[10:31] <wfx> darksatanic, hmmm, i think anyone block it (maybe gnome/nautilus)...
[10:31] <zenwhen> Oh
[10:31] <Xenguy> StarScream: AFAIK NFS is pretty insecure, or at least it was way back when
[10:32] <zenwhen> Isnt it written in JAVA?
[10:32] <claus> i dont know what ecipse is.
[10:32] <StarScream> Xenguy yeh it is, but then again NFS isn't the most secure either :) although i think you can use it with kerberos
[10:32] <GammaRay> zenwhen: ok then.. (-: fuck fuck fuck
[10:32] <darksatanic> wfx: No gnome running. No nautilus. No autofs. No fam.
[10:32] <StarScream> not an NFS expert btw
[10:32] <zenwhen> O:
[10:32] <zenwhen> that an offer? ;)
[10:33] <Xenguy> StarScream: me neither - far from it
[10:33] <wfx> darksatanic, :) oh you use it as server (or something like that)
[10:33] <GammaRay> zenwhen: just making the mating calls of some very perverted ducks
[10:33] <zenwhen> o;
[10:33] <darksatanic> wfx: Actually, it's my desktop box, but I don't run a desktop environment -- just a plain old window manager (sawfish)
[10:33] <georgia> genr: did you just /version everyone?
[10:34] <Xenguy> Should I throw out my S3 Trio video card folks?  ;-)
[10:34] <zenwhen> yes
[10:34] <darksatanic> wfx: Might it be an LVM thing? If so, how do I go about working out what?
[10:35] <zenwhen> get a 6600GT
[10:35] <gloin_> Xenguy: no, give it to me
[10:35] <zenwhen> 8)
[10:35] <Xenguy> zenwhen: no way to get it to work with Ubu then?
[10:35] <wfx> darksatanic, you say hdc im sure it is on the sam controller as hda (from where you boot), hmmm is it a new disk?
[10:35] <Xenguy> gloin_: heh
[10:35] <georgia> Xenguy: no, it never hurts to have a spare kicking around, just in case
[10:35] <gloin_> I build LTSP clients out of old crap and the S3 Trio is a fine card for that
[10:35] <wfx> darksatanic, you use lvm?
[10:35] <zenwhen> Xenguy, oh you might, but why would you? o;
[10:35] <sm> hi all.. any tips for splitting a 600M access.log by month ?
[10:35] <sm> manual is ok
[10:35] <Xenguy> gloin_: I can't seem to get it going with X4 :-/
[10:35] <darksatanic> wfx: Yes, I use LVM. The drive is the secondary master -- on its own controller.
[10:36] <gloin_> Xenguy: you'll need to use the X3 package
[10:36] <darksatanic> wfx: The drive was working in another machine a while ago. It's an 18-month-old 80GiB Seagate 7200.7
[10:36] <Xenguy> gloin_: hrm, weird that it is not supported in X4
[10:37] <gloin_> usually I have to make a specific lts.conf entry for those cards and I can't remember the driver I select
[10:37] <gloin_> it does work
[10:37] <Xenguy> gloin_: in X3 (not X4) you mean?
[10:37] <thoreauputic> I have an old S3 - it works with Xfree86 - 4 but only with a generic vesa or something similar
[10:37] <Xenguy> thoreauputic: hrm, IC
[10:37] <thoreauputic> X3 is recommended
[10:37] <gloin_> Xenguy: I'm specifically talking about setting the card up as an LTSP client.
[10:38] <gloin_> and X3 is the only way to get it to work
[10:38] <Xenguy> gloin_: ahh, OK
[10:38] <gloin_> but it >does< work =] 
[10:38] <Xenguy> thoreauputic: thanks, I guess I can set that up via Ubu without a problem
[10:39] <thoreauputic> Xenguy: hmm - I don't know: my old S3 is on a Debian woody box but it's running as we speak with XFree86-4.3.0
[10:39] <wfx> darksatanic, i never have used lvm but im not sure if hdc3 the right dev for lvm
[10:40] <darksatanic> wfx: Sorry, I should have made it clearer. *This* disk has nothing to do with LVM. The LVM is on a different disk.
[10:40] <ogra> Xenguy: try S3virge as the driver.....workae dfor all my S3
[10:40] <ogra> cards
[10:41] <Xenguy> thoreauputic: ogra: jeez, really -- thanks guys, if this works, it the kind of tips I've been searching for
[10:41] <wfx> darksatanic, ok, and it have 3partition and it is formated with any filesystem (xfs, ext3, etc...)
[10:41] <Xenguy> thoreauputic: do you know what driver by any chance?
[10:41] <ogra> Xenguy: but it should get set up automatically anyway ;)
[10:41] <thoreauputic> ogra: S3virge doesn't seem to work with my trio card
[10:41] <wfx> darksatanic, if the module for this filesystem loaded
[10:42] <wfx> is
[10:42] <Xenguy> ogra: nope, Ubuntu install last night couldn't set up X  :-(
[10:42] <ogra> thoreauputic: what do you use then ? vesa :/
[10:42] <thoreauputic> Xenguy: hold on while I lsmod...
[10:42] <Xenguy> thoreauputic: TIA :-)
[10:42] <ogra> thoreauputic: its not a kernel mod.... look in your XFreee86Config-4
[10:42] <ogra> -e
[10:43] <thoreauputic> ogra: yes - I just realised lsmod won't help :)
[10:43] <ogra> thoreauputic: in "Drivers" :)
[10:43] <ogra> thoreauputic: i think vesa or svga is used.....
[10:43] <darksatanic> wfx: Yes, it's got three partitions, and the filesystem (reiserfs) is supported in the kernel.
[10:43] <darksatanic> wfx: It has to be -- it's my root filesystem, too. :)
[10:44] <thoreauputic> vesa
[10:44] <thoreauputic> says vesa in XF86COnfig-4
[10:44] <ogra> thoreauputic: svga could work too work
[10:45] <Xenguy> My sincere thanks guys - I'll let you know if any of those work
[10:45] <wfx> darksatanic, hmmm, ide cable often bad do you test a other one
[10:45] <thoreauputic> ogra: quite - I just accepted the default
[10:45] <ogra> Xenguy: vesa is safest, as it works for thoreauputic
[10:46] <darksatanic> wfx: I should have one round here. However, I don't think that's it -- as I said, I can fsck the partition without a problem.
[10:46] <thoreauputic> ogra: it isn't bad, either - for an old machine: even xscreensaver copes OK ;)
[10:46] <ogra> Xenguy: svga could support 2d accel probably though
[10:46] <Xenguy> ogra: OK, I'll see what happens then (can I get away with just changing that one line in XF86Config-4 then?)
[10:46] <supos> ubuntu-desktop is just a dummy package that's perfectly safe to remove, right?
[10:47] <ogra> Xenguy: should work...if not:
[10:47] <ogra> Xenguy: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:47] <supos> and they love it :)
[10:47] <ogra> hehe
[10:47] <ogra> great
[10:48] <cenerentola> ogra: ciao
[10:48] <cenerentola> can someone tell were can i find kernel-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386
[10:48] <cenerentola> ?
[10:48] <ogra> ciao cenerentola
[10:48] <Xenguy> ogra: alright - I'll let you guys know how this goes (later tonight I'll try)
[10:48] <ogra> cenerentola: linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386 ?? ;)
[10:48] <supos> Xenguy: messing with XF86Config?
[10:49] <cenerentola> i need them to install wifi's kernel module..
[10:49] <cenerentola> but i cant find the
[10:49] <cenerentola> m
[10:49] <Xenguy> supos: installed Ubu last nite on a box with a (crappy) S3 Trio vid card - Ubu was unable to set up X...
[10:49] <LucidVisions> exelent
[10:49] <ogra> cenerentola: search linux-headers in synaptic
[10:49] <supos> Xenguy: This is an s3trio too :)
[10:50] <Xenguy> supos: sounds like I need to manually config a driver (or may even need to use X3 instead of X4)
[10:50] <cenerentola> ogra: ok im stupid..
[10:50] <ogra> cenerentola: ahh no, dont say that
[10:50] <supos> Xenguy: I used the s3virge driver and everything was fine
[10:50] <crimsun> cenerentola: no, you're not. It's often confusing. Debian uses kernel-*; Ubuntu uses linux-*
[10:50] <thoreauputic> hmm.. mine is actually S3trio dx/gx
[10:50] <cenerentola> crimsun: ahhh
[10:50] <Xenguy> supos: hrm
[10:51] <cenerentola> crimsun, ogra: i didnt know that... am i forgiven?
[10:51] <cenerentola> ;)
[10:51] <ogra> :)
[10:51] <crimsun> heh, nothing to forgive :)
[10:51] <supos> Xenguy: What kind of s3 trio?
[10:51] <Drago> how do I check to see if I have scsi_mod and sg modules loaded.
[10:51] <ogra> Drago: lsmod|grep s
[10:52] <Drago> k
[10:52] <Drago> thanks
[10:52] <Xenguy> supos: if I do 'lspci' it give this output -> VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86c764/765 [Trio32/64/64V+]  (rev 53)
[10:52] <ogra> Drago: leave grep s, doesnt filter too much *g*
[10:53] <xaero> *hm*
[10:53] <ogra> Xenguy: i think the V means Virge
[10:53] <supos> Xenguy: Pretty similar to mine: VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. Trio 64 3D (rev 01)
[10:54] <Xenguy> thoreauputic: ogra: supos: can you guys do 'lspci' ?
[10:54] <thoreauputic> Xenguy: 00:0f.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. Trio 64V2/DX or /GX (rev 16)
[10:54] <supos> :)
[10:54] <supos> Xenguy: Did you try the s3virge driver?
[10:54] <ogra> Xenguy: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Neomagic Corporation NM2230 [MagicGraph 256AV+]  (rev 30)
[10:54] <ogra> Xenguy:  hehe
[10:55] <supos> ogra: wow, that one I've never even heard of
[10:55] <Xenguy> supos: I haven't tried anything since the fresh Ubu install last night, but I did try a bunch of stuff a few months ago when I was setting up Debian -- I'd like to get it going on Ubu
[10:55] <Drago> okay. I think I may have figured out my problem. I don't appear to have the sg modules loaded.
[10:55] <wfx> su pawn
[10:55] <wfx> oh worng window :-)
[10:55] <ogra> supos: sony laptop.... really crap for 3D but ok for 2D
[10:56] <ogra> Drago: sudo modprobe sg
[10:56] <Xenguy> thanks again (/me wonders if I'm logging this channel ;-)
[10:56] <supos> Xenguy: are You irc-ing from your Ubuntu box?
[10:56] <Xenguy> supos: no, this is debian/sid
[10:57] <ogra> Drago: echo sg | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[10:57] <Xenguy> supos: the Ubu install is on another box (actually I pulled the HD this morning, so have to reconnect that later tonight :-)
[10:57] <supos> Xenguy: If you go the dpkg-reconfigure route, just remember to run sudo dexconf afterwards
[10:57] <Xenguy> supos: dexconf, OK
[10:57] <humanfellow> How do I get more fonts for OpenOffice?
[10:58] <Drago> ogra: that was it my scanner works now. needed the sg module loaded.
[10:58] <Xenguy> supos: hrm, what is dexconf
[10:58] <Xenguy> ?
[10:58] <cenerentola> can anyone help: http://pastebin.com/119634
[10:58] <cenerentola> ...someone
[10:58] <ogra> Drago: thats funny, mine works without
[10:58] <gloin_> oy crikey
[10:58] <Drago> yeah the microtek usb scanners are weird appearently
[10:58] <gloin_> cenerentola: I speak zero Italian
[10:58] <gloin_> sorry
[10:59] <supos> Xenguy: dexconf applies the changes you made using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to your actual XF86Config-4 file
[10:59] <darksatanic> wfx: I've found someone else with the same problem, but no solution: http://www.netsys.com/suse-linux-e/2004/08/msg03101.html
[10:59] <Xenguy> supos: hrm, that is different from Debian me thinks
[10:59] <ogra> Drago: but important to know....
[10:59] <Drago> yes
[10:59] <Xenguy> supos: tx for the tip
[10:59] <kensai> How does one make a folder invisible on Gnome?
[10:59] <ogra> hmm, broken pipe
[11:00] <thoreauputic> kensai: put a dot in front of the name
[11:00] <Nefarous> Question: What is the appropriate way to remove services like mdadm (RAID) from startup?
[11:00] <kensai> just that kool
[11:00] <will> whats a typical syntax for the make program?
[11:00] <ogra> cenerentola: where does this package come from ?
[11:00] <supos> Xenguy: Not different to debian unstable. I have no clue why it's required, but if you don't run it, the XF86Config-4 file won't be changed
[11:00] <thoreauputic> kensai: not just gnome - that's how you make "hidden" dirs in Linux
[11:00] <cenerentola> http://pastebin.com/119636
[11:01] <cenerentola> translated version
[11:01] <ogra> cenerentola: where does this package come from ?
[11:01] <kensai> thoreauputic: Kool and I was wondering about all the dots in the hidden files LOL
[11:01] <cenerentola> ogra:  sudo module-assistant a-i ipw2100
[11:01] <thoreauputic> supos: only if you've manually edited the file, I think
[11:01] <Xenguy> supos: I don't recall ever having to run it in SID, but I'll keep it in mind definitely
[11:01] <ogra> cenerentola: why dont you use the driver in your modules dir ?
[11:02] <ogra> cenerentola: it says it cant overwrite /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2100/ipw2100.ko
[11:02] <ogra> cenerentola: so its already there
[11:02] <humanfellow> Question, where can I get more fonts for OpenOffice.org
[11:02] <cenerentola> ogra: wifi is not working
[11:02] <supos> thoreauputic: ahh, that might be it. I run a dual-head setup, so I've never tried with an unmodified config file
[11:02] <d0gmaz> hi, i just installed ubuntu and downloaden my nvidia drivers how do i get out of X?
[11:02] <cenerentola> ogra: youre right but *
[11:03] <ogra> d0gmaz: followed: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto ??
[11:03] <thoreauputic> supos: the XF86Config file has a message at the top as a warning about manual editing :)
[11:03] <d0gmaz> ogra, thanks
[11:03] <Nefarous> humanfellow: I believe there is a sourceforge.org side for MS fonts ... don't recall off hand ...
[11:04] <Nefarous> humanfellow: I mean sf.net
[11:04] <supos> thoreauputic: Anyone actually read those ;)
[11:04] <ogra> cenerentola: you can force the overwrite, but i gess the kernel will forbid the loading....
[11:04] <cenerentola> ok... ill check net config
[11:05] <ogra> cenerentola: what happens if you load the module ? sudo modprobe ipw2100
[11:05] <thoreauputic> supos: they do after they have been larted in #debian for not doing so ;-)
[11:06] <Nefarous> humanfellow: Is this what you're looking for? http://packages.debian.org/unstable/graphics/msttcorefonts.html
[11:06] <ogra> supos: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 isnt that hard
[11:06] <supos> thoreauputic: lol. I'm glad I exposed my ignorance in here then, where the atmosphere is a bit warmer :)
[11:06] <Nefarous> humanfellow: it appears they are in the ubuntu package listing, apt-cache search msttcorefonts
[11:07] <thoreauputic> supos: indeed ;)
[11:07] <humanfellow> ok. thanks Nefarous
[11:07] <d0gmaz> nvidia-glx drivers are those the same as the origonal from nvidia?
[11:07] <ogra> d0gmaz: yep
[11:07] <ogra> d0gmaz: and tested with ubuntu ;)
[11:07] <d0gmaz> cool
[11:07] <Nefarous> Question: What is the appropriate way to remove services like mdadm (RAID) from startup?
[11:07] <thoreauputic> supos: I've had some interesting experiences in #debian from time to time ;)
[11:07] <d0gmaz> ogra, i though they didnt give out the source?
[11:07] <d0gmaz> *thought
[11:08] <ogra> d0gmaz: do step one and two and you are done ;)
[11:08] <ogra> d0gmaz: oh, they are binary+
[11:08] <d0gmaz> ah
[11:08] <ogra> d0gmaz: but tested with the x tree used in warty
[11:08] <dle> I installed Ubuntu without a network connection.  Now that I have one, I was expecting to have to d/l a lot of updated packages, but Synaptic shows none.  Do I need to do something else?
[11:08] <supos> thoreauputic: Yeah, I've been hanging out there from time to time too, but it's generally too much bickering for my taste
[11:09] <thoreauputic> dle: have you enabled your souces and reloaded in synaptic?
[11:09] <thoreauputic> supos: the trick is not to take it seriously
[11:10] <thoreauputic> supos: it's an interesting spactator blood sport :)
[11:10] <supos> anyway, did anyone know if it's safe to remove ubuntu-desktop? It depends on just about everything, including stuff like Emacs, which I assume my parents won't need
[11:10] <Nefarous> Are there any good post-ubuntu install tuning websites? (i.e. tweaking your default install)
[11:10] <dle> thoreauputic: Yeah.  I have the warty rep. at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ enabled.
[11:10] <supos> thoreauputic: true
[11:10] <thoreauputic> dle: you would probably only get a few security related updates anyway
[11:11] <will> people, how do you cd a dir with a space in it?
[11:11] <thoreauputic> dle: you might want to enable universe and security
[11:11] <dle> thoreauputic: I'd like to get those. -- ah.
[11:11] <Nefarous> will: quote or escape \; cd "my dir" or cd my\ dir
[11:12] <x4m> sleep
[11:12] <will> nefarous: thx
[11:13] <thoreauputic> supos: I think ubuntu-desktop is a dummy package - check with apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop
[11:14] <ogra> hehe
[11:14] <littlegreenman> :D
[11:15] <littlegreenman> man
[11:15] <littlegreenman> i am a long time windows user....
[11:15] <littlegreenman> but am i happy with ubuntu
[11:15] <gloin_> don't do it littlegreenman!  DON'T!
[11:15] <ogra> great to hear !
[11:15] <littlegreenman> this is one cool system
[11:15] <LifesizeKenDoll> littlegreenman: what does Ubuntu not offer you?
[11:16] <littlegreenman> i have tried others before... but left me furstrated cause i am not that good....
[11:16] <littlegreenman> like a programmer
[11:16] <littlegreenman> and ubuntu just has it all!!!
[11:16] <littlegreenman> and easy
[11:16] <littlegreenman> and fine, it was tricky to get the movies going...
[11:16] <Nefarous> Heck, I am a programmer, and I love ubuntu :)
[11:16] <d0gmaz> thanks to everyone who worked on ubuntu its the most flawless installation ive ever seen
[11:16] <littlegreenman> but called my brother and he did that...
[11:16] <littlegreenman> i love it man...
[11:16] <littlegreenman> really
[11:16] <littlegreenman> :D
[11:16] <littlegreenman> i am sooooo amazed of how easy and preety it all is...
[11:17] <d0gmaz> i tried alot of distro's but this is by far most the best
[11:17] <littlegreenman> I haven't been to XP in 2 days!!!!
[11:17] <d0gmaz> i liked slackware also though
[11:18] <littlegreenman> you know what I liked most about this thing?
[11:18] <Nefarous> I agree, once I got wireless working in Ubuntu, I have 0 need for XP
[11:18] <wfx> hi bonobo
[11:18] <littlegreenman> I installed it... no problem... but then I log in, and it's so clean... so clear.....
[11:18] <littlegreenman> so easy.....
[11:18] <littlegreenman> no mess, no confusion...
[11:18] <littlegreenman> i remember my brothers installed debian in my system a few months ago... it had like....
[11:18] <littlegreenman> 10,000 programs
[11:18] <wfx> ogra, bonobo is a bot :-) supybot
[11:19] <d0gmaz> i never had a working distro without recompiling the kernel
[11:19] <littlegreenman> the menu was like <---------------> this huge
[11:19] <gloin_> argh
[11:19] <xaero> i really need help getting direct rendering to work in ia32-chroot
[11:19] <gloin_> mplayer was compiled WITHOUT gui support?
[11:19] <littlegreenman> and ubuntu... is great... anyway.... i am going to be quiet... just wanted to express my happiness....
[11:19] <xaero> why do you need gui? ;)
[11:19] <ogra> wfx: so what do i have to ask ?
[11:19] <stuNNed> gloin_, yep
[11:19] <gloin_> argh
[11:19] <Taurendil> Does anyone know how to reduce hotplug startup time?
[11:19] <Taurendil> it takes 45 seconds!
[11:20] <wfx> ogra, i dont know i must read the doc :-) -> http://supybot.sourceforge.net
[11:20] <ogra> wfx: ;)
[11:20] <will> ahh!
[11:20] <StarScream> ah i love ubuntu :), so much better than OSX ....i dont regret buying my ibook now
[11:20] <will> better then osx?
[11:20] <Nefarous> Taurendil: do you get any error messages, I added the following to my blacklist: hw_random, pciehp, shpchp
[11:20] <StarScream> will, well for me anyway
[11:21] <StarScream> i know lots of people like OSX
[11:21] <will> never uesd osx
[11:21] <gloin_> I use both
[11:21] <gloin_> and like both
[11:21] <gloin_> and hate both
[11:21] <will> but i will never use XP again :)
[11:21] <gloin_> for different reasons =] 
[11:21] <littlegreenman> :D
[11:21] <Nefarous> Taurendil: blacklist file is located in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[11:21] <Taurendil> I don't have any errors no, but I looked in the messages log and those were the only two that showed up, so I blacklisted them, no chagne
[11:21] <d0gmaz> well i like osx but only with X11 instead of the memory eating eyecandy gui
[11:21] <Taurendil> yeah, the only error I ever got was floppy, don't have one, so I blacklisted that
[11:22] <littlegreenman> actually, there is ONE reason I would use XP, I can't find a grammar checker for staroffice for my language (portuguese)
[11:22] <xaero> d0gmaz: can u run x11 on mac osx? X_X
[11:22] <StarScream> yeh i think OSX would be good if i could use KDE/gnome
[11:22] <will> can you run x11 with osx?
[11:22] <d0gmaz> xaero, yeah
[11:22] <StarScream> will, yeh you can but not the way you want to
[11:22] <d0gmaz> yes x11 runs fine
[11:22] <StarScream> you have to run it on top of aqua
[11:22] <will> emulate it huh
[11:22] <d0gmaz> no
[11:22] <gloin_> will: nope
[11:22] <StarScream> nah
[11:22] <gloin_> it's a full build
[11:22] <StarScream> not emulation
[11:22] <gloin_> rootless X
[11:22] <StarScream> its just you still have to use aqua
[11:23] <StarScream> which is ok, if you dont use many x11 apps
[11:23] <d0gmaz> no you can boot without aqua
[11:23] <StarScream> d0gmaz, do tell
[11:23] <will> does anyone know how to cd back one dir?
[11:23] <daniels> will: um, 'cd ..'
[11:23] <gloin_> I generally use it to load evolution off my linux box via x-forwarded SSH
[11:23] <thoreauputic> will: cd ..
[11:23] <Nefarous> Is there any way to make gnome windows sticky like KDE, where they snap to the edge?
[11:23] <gloin_> since entourage sucks ass
[11:23] <daniels> will: or, if you mean 'go to the last directory I was in', cd -
[11:23] <Taurendil> ooh, I didn't know the "cd -"
[11:24] <Taurendil> that will be handy
[11:24] <will> thoreauputic: thx, i was trying cd..!
[11:24] <thoreauputic> will: you need the spaces :)
[11:24] <will> there is so much for me to still learn at the command line :)
[11:24] <d0gmaz> StarScream, http://www.opendarwin.org/pipermail/hackers/2004-January/004028.html
[11:25] <supos> thoreauputic: I've searched around, and ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop are indeed only meta packages, but will this be a problem If
[11:25] <wfx> bonobo, list
[11:25] <bonobo> wfx: Admin, Channel, Config, Misc, Owner, and User
[11:25] <will> does anyone know a good online doc about general unix/linux directory structures?
[11:25] <Taurendil> Nefarous: do you know if there's any way to put hotplug into verbose mode, so I can see what takes so long?
[11:25] <StarScream> d0gmaz, thanks..
[11:25] <supos> ooops, if I wish to upgrade to Hoary at some point, and it uses ubuntu-desktop to keep track of dependencies?
[11:25] <d0gmaz> StarScream, at work i have a tool for it to switch
[11:26] <thoreauputic> will: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/cli.html
[11:26] <d0gmaz> but i cant remember the name
[11:26] <Nefarous> Taurendil: not off hand ...
[11:26] <will> thoreauputic: ta
[11:26] <supos> if Hoary requires some additional packages, and the way the system specifies this is to make ubuntu-desktop depend on those new packages?
[11:27] <daniels> supos: correct
[11:27] <d0gmaz> now on the ubuntu live cd it mount my ntfs partitions how can i manage this on the normal distro?
[11:27] <supos> daniels: So, what is my conclusion? That I can't safely uninstall anything if I want to dist-upgrade at some point?
[11:28] <Nefarous> d0gmax: by adding an entry in your fstab (although that's the backend way, ubuntu may have a nicer front end)
[11:28] <wfx> bonobo, was is mp3
[11:28] <bonobo> wfx: Error: 'was' is not a valid command.
[11:29] <littlegreenman> question for a friend: if I partion my HD that has xp installed into two partitions. the fist in nsft with xp, and the second in vfat for ubuntu
[11:29] <littlegreenman> will ubuntu install no problem in that partition?
[11:30] <ogra> oh, daniels... someone asked if his ati 7200 would be slower with xorg...he had read it somewhere.... is this true ?
[11:31] <d0gmaz> rhythmbox crashes as soon as i open a internet stream .pls
[11:32] <ogra> d0gmaz: have you got gstreamer0.8-mad installed ?
[11:32] <d0gmaz> ogra, no idea lemme see
[11:33] <d0gmaz> ogra, i dont see it in the list
[11:33] <wfx> bonobo, add mp3 http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/
[11:33] <bonobo> wfx: Error: 'add' is not a valid command.
[11:33] <wfx> ?
[11:33] <ogra> wfx....
[11:33] <d0gmaz> ogra, sure its gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[11:34] <wfx> ogra, :) hmmm do you have also take a look on the doc?
[11:34] <ogra> d0gmaz: follow the wiki link from wfx
[11:34] <wfx> it mathc very often :-)
[11:34] <Zimpee> hi
[11:35] <wfx> bonobo, list add
[11:35] <bonobo> wfx: Error: No such plugin 'add' exists.
[11:35] <wfx> bonobo, list alias
[11:35] <bonobo> wfx: Error: No such plugin 'alias' exists.
[11:35] <wfx> bonobo, list
[11:35] <bonobo> wfx: Admin, Channel, Config, Misc, Owner, and User
[11:35] <Zimpee> why i can't change the permissions on my devices mount directory? e.g. /mnt/e ca't be readable by normal users. why?
[11:36] <wfx> bonobo, list Misc
[11:36] <bonobo> wfx: action, apropos, help, hostmask, last, list, logfilesize, more, notice, plugin, private, revision, seconds, source, tell, and version
[11:36] <gloin_> ten naked men would cause a heap of trouble just walking down the road...
[11:36] <d0gmaz> ogra, wich link?
[11:36] <gloin_> oops
[11:36] <daniels> ogra: only if he enables and uses composite
[11:36] <daniels> supos: if you remove core desktop apps, yes
[11:36] <ogra> bonobo learn mp3 http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/
[11:36] <bonobo> ogra: Error: 'learn' is not a valid command.
[11:36] <ogra> bonobo learn mp3 as http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/
[11:36] <bonobo> ogra: Error: 'learn' is not a valid command.
[11:36] <ogra> bonobo admin learn mp3 as http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/
[11:36] <bonobo> ogra: Error: You don't have the 'admin' capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[11:36] <ogra> hrm...
[11:37] <gloin_> you broke it
[11:37] <wfx> bonobo,  identified ogra
[11:37] <bonobo> wfx: Error: 'identified' is not a valid command.
[11:37] <ogra> daniels: is there _any_ card where xcompmgr isnt slow ?
[11:38] <daniels> ogra: not really
[11:38] <LifesizeKenDoll> ogra: my nVidia 4200 works fine with it
[11:38] <ogra> LifesizeKenDoll: xcompmgr ? in hoary ?
[11:38] <LifesizeKenDoll> ogra: yep
[11:38] <daniels> ogra: for two reasons -- one, the acceleration architecture wasn't designed for that sort of thing, so it needs reworking; two, the current xcompmgr code could do with some serious optimisation
[11:38] <LifesizeKenDoll> ogra: you have RenderAccel on?
[11:38] <enabl> works ok for me too on a 5700
[11:39] <LifesizeKenDoll> It's smooth, it's not lightning fast
[11:39] <Zimpee> why i can't change the permissions on my devices mount directory? e.g. /mnt/e ca't be readable by normal users. why?
[11:39] <ogra> LifesizeKenDoll: i use warty... hoary for playing around only....
[11:40] <Nefarous> d0gmaz: did you figure out how to mount your NTFS partition?
[11:40] <d0gmaz> ogra, it worked thanks
[11:40] <ogra> daniels: it was very fast when i used it with kdrive last year at this time *g*
[11:40] <d0gmaz> Nefarous, no
[11:40] <daniels> ogra: kdrive has a totally different acceleration architecture
[11:40] <Nefarous> d0gmaz: Add the following entry (or similar) to your /etc/fstab file: /dev/hda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    defaults,ro,users,umask=0111    0 0
[11:40] <daniels> ogra: one that was basically designed around composite :)
[11:40] <thoreauputic> whose bot is bonobo ?
[11:40] <daniels> ogra: xaa, on the other hand, was designed pre-xfree86 4.0
[11:40] <ogra> daniels: i know, thus the *g*
[11:41] <ogra> thoreauputic: wfx
[11:41] <Nefarous> d0gmaz: then you can type mount /mnt/windows (or if you want it to auto mount when you boot, then you can add the auto flag)
[11:41] <thoreauputic> ogra: thanks
[11:42] <d0gmaz> Nefarous, only thing i need to change in that line is the hda1 ?
[11:42] <Zimpee> why don't you help me?
[11:42] <Nefarous> d0gmaz: yes, if your NTFS partition is someplace else ...
[11:42] <srx33> Hi, I just installed gnoppix in harddrive, but when it boots, the system freezes when starting the syslogd. How can I fix this?
[11:42] <d0gmaz> Nefarous, thanks man
[11:42] <Nefarous> d0gmaz: this mounts it read only so it will keep you from messing things up
[11:42] <ogra> wfx: its a python bot ??
[11:42] <LifesizeKenDoll> Zimpee: you might want a umask=000
[11:43] <d0gmaz> Nefarous, is ntfs still risky if its readable?
[11:43] <wfx> ogra, yes
[11:43] <d0gmaz> writable i mean
[11:43] <thoreauputic> bonobo identify ogra
[11:43] <bonobo> thoreauputic: (identify <name> <password>) -- Identifies the user as <name>. This command (and all other commands that include a password) must be sent to the bot privately, not in a channel.
[11:43] <wfx> i search the way to give you admin right
[11:44] <Nefarous> d0gmaz: I don't think it's any risk, read only NTFS is ... oh writable ... yes ... you have to look elsewhere for rw support (unless things hav echanged)
[11:44] <wfx> maybe i must it restart
[11:44] <ogra> bonobo identify ogra test
[11:44] <bonobo> ogra: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
[11:44] <ogra> hehe
[11:44] <LifesizeKenDoll> bonobo how are you?
[11:44] <bonobo> LifesizeKenDoll: Error: 'how' is not a valid command.
[11:44] <Zimpee> LifesizeKenDoll: thank you
[11:44] <LifesizeKenDoll> bonobo help
[11:44] <bonobo> LifesizeKenDoll: (help [<plugin>]  <command>) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
[11:44] <thoreauputic> ogra: maybe /msg bonobo ....
[11:45] <ogra> thoreauputic: i just tried....
[11:45] <thoreauputic> ogra: no good?
[11:45] <ogra> thoreauputic: Error: Your hostmask doesn't match or your password is wrong.
[11:45] <d0gmaz> Nefarous, wich flag to set for automount?
[11:45] <thoreauputic> ogra: heh - ah well
[11:46] <ogra> bonobo learn mp3 as http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/
[11:46] <bonobo> ogra: Error: 'learn' is not a valid command.
[11:46] <ogra> heh
[11:46] <wfx> ?
[11:46] <srx33> Could someone help me please
[11:46] <wfx> bonobo learn mp3 as http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/
[11:46] <bonobo> wfx: Error: 'learn' is not a valid command.
[11:46] <Nefarous> d0gmaz: see the following for rw support: http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/, as for auto flag, just add ,auto to the ... hmm, actually auto is part of defaults
[11:46] <thoreauputic> bonobo: commands
[11:46] <bonobo> thoreauputic: Error: 'commands' is not a valid command.
[11:46] <thoreauputic> hahah
[11:46] <wfx> http://supybot.sourceforge.net/
[11:46] <thoreauputic> bonobo: list commands
[11:46] <bonobo> thoreauputic: Error: No such plugin 'commands' exists.
[11:46] <dle> why, if I want to install totem-xine, does ubuntu-desktop have to be removed?
[11:46] <wfx> bonobo, list
[11:46] <bonobo> wfx: Admin, Channel, Config, Misc, Owner, and User
[11:47] <wfx> bonobo, list Misc
[11:47] <bonobo> wfx: action, apropos, help, hostmask, last, list, logfilesize, more, notice, plugin, private, revision, seconds, source, tell, and version
[11:47] <thoreauputic> bonobo: apropos ls
[11:47] <bonobo> thoreauputic: channels
[11:47] <d0gmaz> Nefarous, thanks for the searching
[11:47] <srx33> Hi, I just installed gnoppix in harddrive, but when it boots, the system freezes when starting the syslogd. How can I fix this?
[11:47] <LifesizeKenDoll> srx33: dunno - this is a Ubuntu forum, I thought
[11:47] <thoreauputic> bonobo: apropos plugin
[11:47] <bonobo> thoreauputic: defaultplugin and plugin
[11:48] <thoreauputic> bonobo: defaultplugin
[11:48] <bonobo> thoreauputic: Error: You don't have the 'owner' capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[11:48] <srx33> no but in gnoppix.org  when I click on support it directs me to the ubuntulinux homepage!
[11:48] <srx33> thats why I came here! to get help!
[11:48] <Zimpee> one more question. how to enlarge xmms's menu's fonts? 'cos if i set the fonts in the setup menu, it increases only the playlist's and actually played filename's size.
[11:48] <wfx> bonobo, defaultplugin
[11:48] <bonobo> wfx: Error: You don't have the 'owner' capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[11:48] <thoreauputic> wfx: oops
[11:48] <wfx> :) im youre maste!
[11:49] <thoreauputic> wfx: it doesn't recognise you! It has a mind of its own! :))
[11:49] <Zimpee> LifesizeKenDoll maybe you can help me ^\
[11:49] <Nefarous> Can't get my wlan0 if to come up on boot, ever since I switched to the ndiswrapper driver, any thoughts?
[11:50] <wfx> thoreauputic, always the sam with ai :-)
[11:51] <thoreauputic> wfx: Is it because you have trouble with your life that you say "always the same with ai :-) ?
[11:51] <thoreauputic> :D
[11:51] <thoreauputic> bonobo: eliza
[11:51] <bonobo> thoreauputic: Error: 'eliza' is not a valid command.
[11:51] <thoreauputic> ;)
[11:51] <ogra> lol
[11:51] <srx33> could someone help me please?
[11:51] <Nefarous> hahaah
[11:52] <Nefarous> srx33: what is your question?
[11:52] <ogra> Nefarous: followed this ? https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/view?searchterm=network/interfaces
[11:52] <srx33> Hi, I just installed gnoppix in harddrive, but when it boots, the system freezes when starting the syslogd. How can I fix this?
[11:52] <wfx> i shtu it down
[11:52] <wfx> shut
[11:52] <StarScream> why does apt-cache search java come up with php-odbc?
[11:53] <thoreauputic> wfx: hehe - show it who the boss is!
[11:53] <ogra> wfx ohhh
[11:53] <Nefarous> srx33: I had that problem on my other worstation, it locked up in hotplug, I had to remove all my connections to my usb hub in my Monitor, try eliminating connections to see if that helps.
[11:53] <wfx> :)
[11:53] <GammaRay> StarScream: probably because it searches the descriptions also
[11:53] <ogra> wfx i was just talking so nice to her in priv ;)
[11:53] <StarScream> hmm, ok
[11:53] <srx33> Nefarous: ok.. now grub. e2fs_stage1_5 is for ext3 right?
[11:54] <Taurendil> is there a way to make hotplug not scan in boot, but run?
[11:54] <wfx> she come back ;-)
[11:54] <Nefarous> srx33: not sure why you're asking that question, why are you dealing with things at that low a level? (I haven't used gnoppix myself)
[11:54] <ogra> hehe
[11:55] <thoreauputic> welcome back, bonobo
[11:55] <Nefarous> ogra: thanks for the ndiswrapper link, but my wireless works, I just have to ifup it when I boot, even though the auto flag is in the script file.
[11:55] <wfx> bonobo, list
[11:55] <bonobo> wfx: Admin, Channel, Config, Misc, Owner, and User
[11:55] <d0gmaz> wine is not ported yet?
[11:56] <wfx> bonobo, list Admin
[11:56] <bonobo> wfx: addcapability, channels, disable, enable, ignore, ignores, join, nick, part, removecapability, reportbug, and unignore
[11:56] <wfx> bonobo, list Admin enable
[11:56] <bonobo> wfx: Error: No such plugin 'adminenable' exists.
[11:56] <srx33> Nefarous: The system doesnt seem to boot right, in the boot messeges I see that hda3 mounts as ext2  but it is ext3, I thought maybe this has to do with it freezing when starting the syslogd deamon, and by that.. I was wondering if e2fs_stage is the correct file for ext3 system... Any ideas how I can fix all this?
[11:57] <GammaRay> srx33: it seems gnoppix is merging into ubuntu (or already has). Did you download warty-release-live-i386.iso?
[11:57] <srx33> I have already installed gnoppix
[11:57] <Nefarous> srx33: a little too much grub for me, sorry I don't have any suggestions - other than the fact that your initrd may not include support for ext3 ... and thus it was expecting a ext2 fs for boot ... but that's just a guess.
[11:58] <srx33> ok
[11:58] <srx33> I dont have a initrd line in menu.1st .. but I dont think thats necassary, or?
[11:58] <sjoerd> srx33: you can mount and use your ext3 as an ext2 file system without problems, if it was shutdown correctly
[11:58] <Zimpee> one more question. how to enlarge xmms's menu's fonts? 'cos if i set the fonts in the setup menu, it increases only the playlist's and actually played filename's size.
[11:58] <Nefarous> srx33: do you get a kernel panic on boot, or does it just stop?
[11:59] <Zimpee> nah
[11:59] <Zimpee> talltam megoldst, erre nem megy
[11:59] <srx33> sjoerd: yes it shutdown correctnly, but I dont know why it freezes when loading deamon syslogd
[11:59] <wfx> ogra, contact bonobo by msg you have the same right as i have (but it doesnt help)
[11:59] <d0gmaz> argh control-a does not work in firefox adress bar
[11:59] <Nefarous> what does control a do?
[11:59] <ogra> wfx: i'm playing.....
[11:59] <d0gmaz> select all
[11:59] <srx33> Nefarous: everything loads untill it starts the syslogd deamon
[11:59] <Nefarous> doube click ... :)
[12:00] <Taurendil> works for me