[12:09] sivang, that's networking for ye! === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.174] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:14] Argh... anyone who writes more than 5 lines of XSLT code without comments should be taken out and... well, I won't say what horrible punishments they should suffer. [12:17] shot on site, as they like to say on #debian [12:17] :) [12:21] (Just to be clear... my previous comment was triggered while reading autoidx.xsl and other DocBook xsl files, not by something written by someone here :) [12:25] yes, got the faq in book form, with index etc, looks really good! === sivang is working on the yelp bug..seems it has something to do with packaging [12:26] :) [12:26] what yelp bug? [12:27] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3653 [12:30] sivang, your running hoary? [12:30] ye [12:30] yes :-( [12:31] sivang: It's not that bad, surely? [12:31] :) [12:31] kidding [12:31] well not, but many things break occasinally, and it's worse then sid, because ubuntu is advancing much faster :) [12:31] Though I do see what you meant about Evolution being a bit... unstable. [12:32] plovs: By "index", do you mean index or Table of Contents. [12:32] ? [12:32] evo tends to crash [12:32] thank god for mutt === ggi clicks randomly on Evolution... *boom* [12:32] :) [12:32] ggi, I am preparing the gnome-user-manual repo btw [12:33] so shortly, anyone interested would be able to do work on it [12:33] Well, as I said, I'm kind of busy with essays right now, but in a week or so I'll be able to start properly. [12:34] Speaking of which, I'm off to drink sugary stimulant drinks and write some essays. Bye all! [12:34] WW, table of contents === ggi [~ggi@ggi.base.supporter.pdpc] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Essay-me-do"] === WW [~wweckesse@67-138-154-142.dsl1.nor.ny.frontiernet.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.174] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] [01:31] sivang, still awake? [01:31] plovs : yes buddy, present and accountet for :) [01:31] got my mail? [01:31] could you do an svn up in ChrisH svn? [01:32] up the /C folder of the gnome manual? [01:32] what's the address again? [01:32] svn.work... ? [01:34] looking [01:37] did it [01:37] it 'just worked' [01:37] http://ubuntu.workaround.org:8080/faq [01:37] strange [01:37] configuration.xml faq_hoodster.xml Makefile part3.xml trouble.xml unsorted.xml [01:37] contributing.xml faq.xml part1.xml README ubuntu.xml [01:37] faq-guide.xml install-issue.xml part2.xml test.xml ubuntu.xsl [01:37] this is what I got [01:37] try faq-guide.xml [01:37] yelp faq-guide.xml [01:38] or is your yelp still dead [01:38] dead, I will have to have it from cvs [01:39] I will grab one form warty [01:44] i asked ogra t otest it as well [01:45] nice [01:45] have some stranege idents [01:46] sivang, still needs a lot of work, the faq [01:46] but a bunch of small ones is easier [01:46] this is after the devision to small files? [01:46] ok, obvisously there is something I want to fix right away [01:46] faq-guide.xml is yes [01:46] it says "GNOME 2.8 desktop guide" [01:46] haha [01:47] going to change it, [01:47] how do I commit my changes afterwards? [01:47] that's where i ripped it from [01:47] svn ci [01:47] the templates? [01:48] all in all looks very promising [01:48] i hope this is what our docs will be like [01:51] did you update? [01:52] not yet, still looking at it [01:53] so the old faq.xml is obsolete by now? [01:54] yes, it has been cut in pieces [01:57] sivang, what kind of packages are you planning to make? [01:57] from your mail [01:58] Hi guys, I am back for a bit to do a bit more work on the FAQ. A quick question. What exactly does the 'honorific' refer to exactly? [01:59] Hoodster, hi! [01:59] Hoodster, no idea [01:59] plovs: Hi, What does Dipl.-Inform mean? (hehe) [01:59] Hoodster, check out the faq from the repo with svn up [01:59] Hoodster, dressed diplomats? [01:59] :-) [02:00] Hoodster, i cut the faq in smaller pieces [02:00] Hoodster you'll have to put your changes in by hand [02:00] plovs: okay [02:01] sivang, what is NM work? [02:14] hey plovs [02:14] can you readd the faq stuff to the svn server [02:16] hornbeck, hi! sure [02:18] ok [02:18] did you see the address change? [02:18] 69.155.172.150/faq [02:22] hornbeck my password fails [02:22] oh, let's try the address [02:24] no, password refused [02:28] Hey guys, I am having trouble opening the new (just updated) faq.xml file with gedit. Is there something I am doing wrong? [02:29] What I mean by updated is that I did a svn up command [02:29] Hoodster mkdir old ; mv * old (in the correct dir) ; svn up [02:30] plovs : ubuntu-docs package would contain all our production quality docs that we want to have available offline, like the faq, STJ , FirstSteps etc.. would install this docs in an appropriate place, and call up the scrollkeeper thingy to register all the docs. [02:32] sivang, super! [02:32] Hoodster, ok? [02:33] plovs: No, However, I spoke incorrectly. The problem I am having is with yelp. Yelp crashes when opening faq.xml. Is this expected? [02:33] plovs : I inted to also maintain other software that relates to docs, yelp on of them. :) [02:35] Hoodster, if faq.xml is not correct then yes it is suposed to do it, try yelp from Applications [02:35] sivang, nice, so you yelp-maintainer, we want search! now! :-) [02:35] plovs: Please forgive me, but I don't understand 'yelp from applications'. What does this mean? hehe [02:36] haha! Well, if I through yet another feature request at shaunm, he would just make me a yelp hacker..he has this inent :) [02:36] plovs: I don't see yelp in the application menu. I think this is what was meant, but I don't see it. [02:36] you can run yelp by pressing the application-menu in the left upper corner of the screen [02:36] Hoodster, it's called help [02:37] sivang, would be nice to have though [02:37] Hoodster, does it work? [02:38] plovs : yes, I think he's working on something that would be done by hoary's release, that is gnome 2.10 [02:38] sivang, good [02:38] sivang, did you install a backported yelp, yet? or not today? [02:39] going for dinner [02:39] plovs : installed yelp from warty, yes. [02:39] but I am now going to test the fix I think I have for the current bug [02:39] ok, hornbeck needs to do that as well i suppose [02:39] Hoodster, well? does it work? [02:39] LOl, I am getting confused, but loving it. However, my confusion might be clearing. What will running Help help me (hehe). I did launch 'Help' from the Applications menu, but I can't tell it to open a specific file. [02:40] Hoodster, but it works? [02:40] plovs: Oh, yes, the Help program does work. [02:40] then faq.xml is broken [02:41] Hoodster, try: svn checkout http://69.155.172.150/faq (in another folder) [02:41] plovs: For instance, I can successfully run 'yelp trouble.xml' [02:42] yelp faq-guide.xml [02:43] plovs: That did the trick! [02:47] sivang, how could i install the wart version of yelp? [02:47] sivang, i am currently running hoary [02:47] and i just can't seem to get yelp running [02:49] sivang, trickie, put it in the wiki as well! [02:52] I am using a dirty workaround, [02:53] I changed my /etc/apt/sources.list lines to have 'warty' instead of 'hoary' [02:53] then, apt-get update [02:53] apt-get remove yelp [02:53] apt-get install yelp [02:53] and I have the warty version... [02:53] but this comes without warranty :) [02:54] yeah [02:54] i might just wait... the rest of my haory install works well [02:55] hoary rather [02:56] i don't have access to the svn repos, but i have a change to the ubuntu.xsl file in the FAQ that chunks the 'book' up into multiple files [02:56] should i just send a diff out on the mailing-list? [02:56] trickie, sure, that would be good [02:57] sivang, you can do this with pinning as well [02:58] Hi guys! I made a few more additions to the java section of the install-issue.xml file. I am ready to upload. Should I give it a go? I did not change the file name this time. [03:01] do you have a password? [03:01] plovs: Yes, thanks to ChrisH. [03:03] Hoodster, sure, try it [03:05] Hoodster, well? [03:06] plovs: I tried it and I got the message 'commit failed (details follow)' then 'MKACTIVITY of /faq/..... [03:06] plovs: Not sure if it worked. [03:06] failed is always bad... [03:06] Hoodster, you only changed install-issue.xml, right? [03:07] plovs: No, I also changed the faq-guide.xml by adding my name to the author list. [03:07] plovs: Do I have to upload both files at once? [03:08] ok, copy those two files somewhere safe, rm * in the faq dir and do svn up, then copy paste your changes back in [03:08] i also made changes, maybe that is why it did not work [03:11] plovs : pinning? [03:13] sivang, http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html [03:14] sivang, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html 3.10 [03:14] plovs: No that did not work. I will go ahead and email the files. [03:14] Hoodster, no wait [03:15] Hoodster did you do svn up? [03:17] plovs : you use pinning? [03:17] plovs : and the second doc I didn't see where it talks about it too. [03:17] sivang, i used to on debian [03:18] plovs : ah nice, we should modify this for ubuntu also :) [03:18] plovs: Yes I did, I did do svn up [03:18] you use pinning if you want debs from woody and sarge [03:19] Hoodster, now just open the files and copy/paste your changes back in, then svn ci [03:19] anyway, am headed to bed, night all! [03:19] plovs: I did exactly that.... [03:19] sivang, night! [03:19] Night sivang! [03:19] night fellow doccers ! [03:19] Hoodster, and what did svn ci do? [03:20] night sivang [03:21] plovs: First, it asked me to add a message. I did that. Then, it asked me for a password, but it defaults to my local login name, but that is not correct. So, I simply press enter. It asks me for a username, so I type the name that ChrisH gave me. Then it asks for the password, which I type it in. Then, strangely, it asks for the username and password again. Then the fault error message. [03:22] what if you type the password after your login name? [03:24] plovs: I did that once and I recall that svn kicks back to the cursor with a difference error message (can't remember exactly what it was though). [03:26] Hoodster, just mail the diff then, i'll put it in [03:27] plovs: Okay, I sure wish I could get it to work. I wonder if my username and password is no longer current. Was there a major change earlier in the day? Just trying to think of all possibilities. [03:28] Hoodster, we have been using svn only a couple of days, my password at hornbeck does not work either :( [03:28] later it will be ok [03:29] i hope [03:29] plovs: I sent it. [03:30] got it [03:31] plovs: I have a question. I was wondering if it would be desirable to add to the top of the install-issue.xml file that not only does the page increase ones skill in installing apps, but it will increase the functionality of the OS. My point is that it is more than just an educational exercise. A minor consideration I know. [03:33] plovs: oops! I just re-read that page and it doesn't seem to have the beginning statement about skill. [03:35] plovs: One last question and then I will stop for a few days (hehe). Will there be a way to search the FAQ? [03:39] plovs, you get my patch on the mailing-list? [03:40] Hoodster, sivang said they are working on it for 2.10 [03:40] plovs, i initially sent it from the wrong address [03:40] Plovs: Thanks. [03:40] trickie, yep, on the doc-list [03:40] trickie, thanks [03:40] Hoodster, how many changes did you make? [03:40] i added your name and java [03:41] Plovs: Not much. That was all. Just the section under java and the name. [03:42] plovs: Actually, there is quite a bit to the java section, but it all in consecutive lines, so it is an easy cut-n-paste. [03:42] Hoodster, ok, do svn up and check it out! [03:42] dedicated to the hoodster === George^Deka [~george@128.b.008.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:47] hi all, so lots been happening while i have been away i see [03:48] plovs: Thanks for the recognition! However, when I did a complete checkout, I don't see the added java section. Perhaps I am checking out from a different repository? [03:48] Hi George^Deka! [03:49] plovs: I sorry, but I gots to get some sleep. [03:51] George^Deka, hi [03:53] hi hoodster, plovs [03:53] so how to i setup svn access, i have never used svn or the like [03:59] George^Deka, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SubVersion [04:12] goodnight all [04:12] good night plovs [04:12] hello George^Deka [04:12] well i am outta here also... [04:12] take it easy guys [04:23] chrish: noticed your subversion wiki page does not have how to install svn for repo users [04:24] i take it that it is -- apt-get install subversion ??? just for the end user stuff [04:29] sudo apt-get install subversion [04:29] yes [04:32] thought so, was just thinking there may have been sep packages for client and host [04:49] nope [04:49] all the same package === George_Deka [~george@243.b.011.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:14] i cant get svn to work, what is the repo ? [05:14] what are you trying to pull? [05:14] the faq? [05:18] yep [05:22] hornbeck: yep the faq [05:25] svn co http://69.155.172.150/faq [05:26] that will pull it down for you [05:31] thanks [05:48] no problem === George^Deka [~george@243.b.011.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:45] hey [07:55] hey hornbeck [07:55] whats going on? [08:00] I am off to bed, goodnight [08:04] cya all [09:54] morning! [09:56] anybody awake? [10:09] hi... === ChrisH has a terrible headache... [10:13] Hey Chris, I've also risen up today feeling mostly unwell, what will be the end of this flues... [10:13] No idea. A coworker also told about that. Perhaps I shouldn't have gone to the gym on friday. :( === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.242] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.242] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:50] ???? ??????? [10:51] oj, good morning [10:54] ChrisH, did you checkout thefaq? [10:54] Jau [10:54] Even the patch from Nick Loeve... [10:56] so what do you think doing it like this? all in little pieces? [10:57] what about the divisions? [10:57] more/less? [10:58] i find it easier to work on smaller docs [11:00] ChrisH, what about hornbeck's svn? i can't upload to it anymore, i could yesterday, once? [11:01] ChrisH, i'll continue using yours until this is sorted out === cenerentola_ [~cenerento@84.222.38.242] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:44] plovs: Yes, I sorted that out with hornbeck already. We are using my repository until everything works fine there. [11:46] ChrisH, ok [11:50] plovs: I'm completely happy with the chunks like this. [12:55] ChrisH, do you have axperience with glosterm entries? [12:58] Not really. [12:59] ChrisH, i'll ask enrico then, i added a glossary, and would like to cross-link === Hoodster [~alan@adsl-11-171-240.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:22] Hoodster, hi! [01:23] Hi Plovs [01:23] Hoodster, you might ask for a password from chris then you can apply yourself [01:23] I am about to leave for my business trip, but I wanted to come back and congratulate you and the rest of the doc team on the great work being done on the FAQ [01:25] plovs: I will do that before I leave. I take it that the username/password might have changed, thus I am no longer authenticated. When I do a svn up, nothing is updated and it returns At revision 2 message. It could also be that nothing new has been uploaded. Not sure which. [01:26] Hoodster, you might be looking at the wrong address, we still use http://ubuntu.workaround.org:8080/faq [01:28] Hoodster, At revision 43. it should say [01:29] plovs: Okay, I will do a full check out. [01:29] ChrisH, did you ever look at trac? http://www.edgewall.com/trac/ [01:29] plovs: not yet [01:31] plovs: I did a full checkout but the yelp does not like the faq.xml file. It crashes for some reason. It is at revision 43. [01:35] Hoodster, faq-guide [01:38] Hoodster, ? [01:45] plovs: That is not what is checked out. [01:46] From the ubuntu.workaround.org url [01:47] Hoodster, svn checkout http://ubuntu.workaround.org:8080/faq [01:47] should give you: [01:47] [white 149] faq > svn ls [01:47] IconUbuntu.png [01:47] Makefile [01:47] README [01:47] configuration.xml [01:47] contributing.xml [01:47] faq-guide.xml [01:47] faq.xml [01:47] faq_hoodster.xml [01:47] glossary.xml [01:47] install-issue.xml [01:47] part1.xml [01:47] part2.xml [01:47] part3.xml [01:47] test.xml [01:48] trouble.xml [01:48] ubuntu.xml [01:48] ubuntu.xsl [01:48] unsorted.xml [01:49] A faq/ubuntu.xml [01:49] A faq/part1.xml [01:49] A faq/part2.xml [01:49] A faq/ubuntu.xsl [01:49] A faq/part3.xml [01:49] A faq/install-issue.xml [01:49] A faq/README [01:50] A faq/faq-guide.xml [01:50] A faq/glossary.xml [01:50] A faq/unsorted.xml [01:50] A faq/contributing.xml [01:50] A faq/faq.xml [01:50] A faq/configuration.xml [01:50] A faq/trouble.xml [01:50] A faq/faq_hoodster.xml [01:50] A faq/Makefile [01:50] A faq/test.xml [01:50] A faq/IconUbuntu.png [01:50] plovs: I try again. [01:50] Hoodster, ok, now cd faq ; yelp faq-guide.xml [01:51] plovs: It works now! [01:51] Hoodster, ok! [01:52] plovs: I will try the upload [01:55] The upload seemed to work that time. [01:55] hehe [01:56] I got both files to upload. It seems working now. [01:58] Hoodster, ok, now you can start working on the normal faq [01:59] Hoodster, we will use faq-guide.xml and all files it references [01:59] plovs: Okay, I won't be available until Tuesday evening. I hope I can contribute then. [02:00] Hoodster, great! [02:00] plovs: I have to go now. I feel like I have accomplished something, with your and Chris's help. Thank you so much. I have done only a little bit, but hope to do more. [02:00] Have a good time all! === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.39.7] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:05] I have a fixed pacakge for yelp, [02:05] could people help me test? [02:06] this fixes all navigational problems, still a problem is there when you click the 'title page' on the left side [02:10] sivang, i can help, but in a ouple of hours, i'm of shopping [02:10] couple [02:11] plovs : ok, gemme you email, I'll send you the .deb there [02:11] alexander.poslavsky AT gmail.com [02:17] plovs : you still able to reproduce that bug? [03:56] ChrisH, plovs: either of you around? [03:56] sivang: you here? [03:57] hornbeck: jau... [04:01] I borked the passwd file on the server [04:01] hornbeck: eek [04:01] I was using the -c everytime with htpasswd2 [04:01] so it would overwrite the whole thing [04:01] :) [04:01] Sooooooo, I need everyone's passwords again :-) [04:02] everything else is fine, I am able to commit locally now [04:02] hornbeck: Nothing in the backup? ;) [04:03] I borked it right before last night's back up [04:03] so I am backing up twice a day now [04:04] then it will probably break three times a day :) [04:05] yeah [04:05] how often do you do backups? [04:05] I use afbackup with an incremental once a day and full once a week (at 4:30 CET). [04:06] ok, so I am not doing it wrong with a twice a day [04:06] Every quarter I run a full backup of core parts (documents, emails, repositories, web site) on DVD. [04:06] Once a day should be completely sufficient. [04:06] That reminds me... I should retire the current set of DAT tapes before they break. [04:06] I must say, running a server is fun, but alot more work than I thought [04:07] Indeed. Security. Configuration. Users... [04:07] I never gave you guys the credit you deserve [04:12] Do you run Hoary? [04:18] :) [04:18] No [04:22] yelp seems to be broken [04:22] hornbeck: What about the DNS entry? A repository with just an IP address is boring. :) [04:22] haha [04:22] do you have access to dns? [04:23] I have not gotten that far in figuring things out yet :-) [04:26] DNS is really weird. I already offered a hostname in the .workaround.org domain. [04:26] I have opensoftdesign.org [04:26] how would I make subdomains [04:27] like faq.opensoftdesign.org [04:27] or gnome-docs.opensoftdesign.org === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.39.52] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:27] those are really long though [04:27] Is the DNS server running on your machine? [04:27] no [04:27] good god, I have to learn DNS now to :-) [04:29] Don't mean to scare you but DNS is a little tricky [04:29] I am sure I could get it [04:29] Who is authoritative for that domain? Cause if it's your ISP you either need to change the domain information or at least set up a hidden primary server. [04:30] I set them up at freebsdportal.com [04:30] like three years ago [04:30] I used to have off site hosting [04:31] If you can let others do the DNS stuff. It can break a lot of things. And without a decent secondary server a single line problem can make the domain "unknown". [04:32] ahh [04:32] It took me quite a while to get it working. And as you remember just a week ago the secondary server failed which already cause a little chaos. [04:33] I've lost countless mails in the beginning until everything was set up fine. [04:33] man [04:33] If it wouldn't be such a hassle I'd probably do hidden-primary again. [04:33] I will have to research it [04:34] Have someone near you who is a little familiar with bind. [04:34] I could not get subversion working till I sat down and read a good deal of docs myself [04:34] I think I have someone [04:34] I have to go get my daughter from my wife real quick [04:34] be back in a bit [04:53] sivang, what bug? [05:11] the yelp hoary bug when browsing docs [05:12] yelp seems to be very broken in hoary [05:13] sivang, i do not have hoary yet [05:14] hornbeck, you might investigate copying to a remote server, automatically [05:14] horbeck : you willing to be my test subject ? I have a supposed to be fixed package I created. [05:14] yes I will check it out [05:14] hornbeck, i so much hate tape (on windows) [05:15] I might look into coping to remote server [05:15]