d0gmazyeah :P12:00
TaurendilI upgraded to 1.0 though12:00
d0gmazits version0.9.312:00
Zimpeeyou don't help me again. how support channel is that?12:00
Nefarousspeaking of, is it avaiable as a package (firefox 1.0?)12:00
t17mhd0gmaz: I don't know if this is what makes firefox behave right, but there's a gnome setting to use emacs-like keybindings which makes C-a and C-e work in Entry and TextBox widgets everywhere in Gnome.12:01
Nefaroussrx33: let me look at my logs12:01
srx33Nefarous: ok12:01
Taurendildon't think so, I broke the .9.3 and had to do something12:01
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tuxxHiya kapputu12:01
thoreauputicZimpee: patience12:01
Taurendilgot it from the firefox website12:01
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d0gmazt17mh, you know how?12:01
d0gmazworth a try12:02
TaurendilI kept having profile issues12:02
t17mhd0gmaz: I'm looking around for it... hang on a sec (or you can start looking too -either through desktop prefs or through gconf :)12:02
Taurendilinstalled as root, and ran first, crating default profile with root permissions, then running as user it would have a cow at me12:02
Nefaroussrx33: nothign enlightening ... sorry ... need more detail I guess ... this gnoppix you're talking about ... hmmm, I guess I'm the wrong person :)12:03
Zimpeethoreauputic: you are working on it, or i just had to sit here and fall asleep in my chair? cos you had time to answer this, not to answer my question12:03
srx33Nefarous: hmm ok12:03
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thoreauputicZimpee: you are assuming I knew the answer12:03
StarScreamwhats the best java sdk for ppc?12:04
thoreauputicZimpee: and the help in this channel is by  volunteers, so please adjust your attitude12:04
ograwfx: i think its a rights prob.....12:04
Zimpeesorry. do you know the answer thoreauputic?12:04
wfxogra, i have set to owner12:05
ograwfx: have you loaded the @Config plugin ?12:05
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wfxogra, is up per default12:05
thoreauputicZimpee: I don't, sorry - someone in the channel might if you wait a while12:05
NefarousStarScream: I've only heard of yellowdog's java sdk for ppc ...12:05
Zimpeei have time thoreauputic:) thank you12:05
StarScreamhmm d?>o you have to have yellowdog for that12:06
ograwxf Error: You don't have the 'owner' capability.12:06
srx33Nefarous: Which file in a linux system contains which starts up when booting? deamons etc.. ?12:06
StarScreamfor that?12:06
t17mhd0gmaz: In gconf... desktop->gnome->interface->gtk_key_theme = Emacs12:06
t17mhThere's a nicer way to set it, but I can't find it now :(12:06
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Nefaroussrx33, it's debian based: it goes /etc/rcS.d/* and then /etc/rc2.d/* (all the files in there)12:07
d0gmazt17mh, great!12:07
d0gmazim happy man now :P12:07
t17mhd0gmaz: np. Hope it helps :) C-k works too :)12:07
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NefarousStarScream: sorry, haven't used it ... just heard about it12:07
StarScreamnp, thanks anyways12:08
Nefaroussrx33: of course the real scripts are in /etc/init.d ... the rc files are symlinks ...12:09
t17mhI screwed up my menu by editing applications-all-users:///  Anyone know how I can reset it to the default?12:09
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stuNNedholy cr*p, HoaryHedgehog isn't due out until April 4th!!12:10
t17mhstuNNed: ??? ubuntu has a regular release schedule, this shouldn't be a surprise :)12:10
srx33Nefarous: yeah..  I saw it sysklogd it says12:10
stuNNedt17mh, ok :)12:10
stuNNedt17mh, just upgraded both laptop and pc to HoaryHedgehog, a little suprised :)12:11
wfxogra, #1 you must identify12:11
ograi am12:11
Zimpeei am waiting patiently...12:12
fissyanyone tried to get a kodak 3500 to work in ubuntu?12:12
Nefaroussrx33: appears to be the first service in runlevel 2 ... bummer ... still a long way to go.12:12
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d0gmazwhere can i get x.org? or is it way too buggy?12:12
Nefarousfissy: I took the easy road, bought a USB card reader ...12:12
thoreauputicZimpee: maybe ask your question again in a few minutes :)12:13
Zimpeei did thoreauputic few times. thougt it is useful:)12:13
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Nefarousfissy: what path are you taking to read from the camera?12:13
Zimpee how to enlarge xmms's main menu's fonts? 'cos if i set the fonts in the setup menu, it increases only the playlist's and actually played filename's size.12:13
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fissyNefarous, its not detected by linux *at all*12:14
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srx33Nefarous: yes, because it isnt in the symbolik link dir  only in init.d  . I opened sysklogd.. hmm maybe I can edit it somehow.. what should I look for?12:14
thoreauputicZimpee: I once asked a question in #fluxbox and it was answered an hour later !! ;)12:14
Nefarousfissy: Is it a USB connection?  If so, have you tried lsusb?12:14
Zimpeethoreauputic lol:)12:14
fissyNefarous, two entries beginning bus12:15
fissybtw, i'm trying to use the dock as i don't have a cable, is that going to affect things?12:15
Nefarousfissy: have you tried gThumb, and forcing it to use your camera model?12:16
fissyyes, fails to auto detect it12:16
fissyand i've tried telling it the model12:16
Nefaroushmmm ... probably check the gThumbs support pages out there ... if any12:16
Nefarousfissy: is your dock usb?12:17
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fissyNefarous, yes12:17
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Nefarousfissy: if you do a lsmod do you see hotplug in there?12:18
ografissy: could be affecting...12:18
fissyAn error occurred in the io-library ('Bad parameters'): Could not find USB device (vendor 0x40a, product 0x500). Make sure this device is connected to the computer.12:19
fissythats from gthumb12:19
fissydavid@liebniz:~ $ lsmod | grep hotplug12:19
fissypci_hotplug            30640  012:19
suposhmm, "universe" is Debian Testing main, right? Then what is "multiverse"?12:19
Nefarousfissy: freaky, usually just inserting the usb device will give you a notification, do you see anything in dmesg when you plug/unplug it?12:19
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d0gmazwhere can i find the hoary mirrors?12:20
t17mhsupos: more like Debian Unstable, I believe. But ubuntu customized at any rate.12:20
Skifsupos: "universe" is "stuff in debian that ubuntu doesn't want to officially support"12:20
fissyi don't think so, is there a way of telling dmesg to wait while i plug and unplug?12:20
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ografissy: can you get a cable anywhere ?12:20
Skifmultiverse is like universe, but including non-free bits12:20
fissyogra, i just found that the docks cable is the same as the camera's, just tried... no cigar12:20
Nefarousfissy: sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog12:21
ograNefarous: doesnt need sudo ;)12:21
Nefarousfissy: another helpful application is usbview, but I doubt it's installed by default12:21
fissyNefarous, nothing happens12:21
t17mhHate to keep reiterating -- but is there anyone here who understands the menu system. I've now doubly messed up the menus trying to fix it by hand; all I really want is to fresh install whatever ubuntu would give me by default. The FAQ says the Ubuntu Computer menu is uncustomizable -- what do I do when it's messed up then? (and how did it get messed up?)12:21
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Nefarousfissy: sorry, I'm used to Debian :)12:22
usualif ya really wanna have fun apt-get install colorize and tail -f /var/log/syslog | colorize12:22
suposSkif: ok, thanks12:22
wfxogra, i do update to the last version12:22
Zimpee how to enlarge xmms's main menu's fonts? 'cos if i set the fonts in the setup menu, it increases only the playlist's and actually played filename's size.12:22
ograwfx: k12:23
Nefaroust17mh: sometimes it's just best to blow away all of your desktop directories and re-login :) ... or create a new user, or something similar ... copout answer12:23
ograZimpee: thake beep-media-player , its the gtk2 version of xmms12:23
t17mhNefarous: No, this is system-wide. I can create a new user and it's still messed up. Partly by my own stupidity, partly by my backasswards attempt to go directly from sid-to-ubuntu :)12:23
d0gmazwhere can i find the hoary mirrors?12:24
GammaRaybeep is A gtk2 fork of xmms12:24
Nefaroust17mh: oh my, so you're talking about surgery here :)12:24
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t17mhNefarous: Oh yeah.12:24
lifelessopen heart surgery12:24
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Nefaroust17mh: a thought, if you could find what packages the files are in, then maybe forcing a reinstall of those debs?12:24
Zimpeebut here i have to set a xmms, ogra, no way to get beep-media-player12:24
Nefaroust17mh: dpkg -S <filename> will let you know if it's part of a deb package ... and which one.12:25
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thoreauputicZimpee: why not?12:25
lifelesst17mh: did you go sid->warty or sid->hoary ?12:25
usualNov 13 16:09:28 localhost sshd[12015] : reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for adsl-131.103.46.info.com.ph failed - POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT!12:25
usualwtf lol12:25
pdaoustwill somebody permit me to whine.... both optical drives have a death-grip on their discs and won't let go... problem is, they won't mount, so I can't click on an icon and go 'eject'12:26
t17mhlifeless: warty12:26
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pdaoustany idea how I retrieve a disc that's been eaten in this fashion?12:26
Zimpeethoreauputic: they asked me to set xmms. dunno why. but their words are saint12:26
thoreauputicZimpee: ah, I see12:26
Nefarouspdaoust: a reboot usually does the trick, otherwise - power down and grab a paper clip12:26
t17mhNefarous: Yeah -- that's do-able. But I'm afraid I don't even know which files are responsible for the menus.12:26
lifelesst17mh: you've probably got a bunch of packages still at sid levels, that you need to roll back to warty versions.12:26
Skifpdaoust: most drives have a very small hole, about the size of a paperclip, right next to the eject button12:26
Skifpdaoust: stick the end of a paperclip in there, it should let go.12:26
t17mhlifeless: Right -- I've rolled back just about everything at this point. I finally got the Applications/Computer menu setup. But Computer->Desktop Preferences is empty (and Desktop Preferences is still under Applications)12:27
pdaoustNefarous: I figured that'd be the trick... the drives are quite okay (normally they will open), but the OS refuses to open them12:27
GammaRaySkif: is that safe while the drive is still powered?12:27
lifelesst17mh: also, their is a wiki page with describes the other manual things you need to do (like adding users to the plugdev group) to get everything happy.12:27
Skifpdaoust: however, if things are that seriously hosed, you'll probably want to reboot, because it's unlikely your computer will recognize new drives12:27
Nefarous(I second that)12:27
t17mhlifeless: Ah, that sounds useful -- on the ubuntulinux.org wiki?12:27
SkifGammaRay: it's safe physically-- you won't damage any hardware.  What happens if something tries to access those bits is probably not too happy, but you're already not happy, so it's not much worse, really.12:27
lifelesst17mh: yeah.12:27
pdaoustSkif and Nefarous: righty ho then12:27
pdaoustnot quite sure why they would bail so seriously on bad discs though12:28
pdaoustsee ya later, folks12:28
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t17mhlifeless: Would this be easier if I went to hoary?12:29
lifelesst17mh: I'm not sure :/. One of the devs would be a better bet to answer.12:29
blatchdoes sleep work on powerbooks in hoary?12:30
blatchor rather: how do i get sleep to work?12:30
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Gwildorread my post please, i will be afk, so respond in thread, if you could :)12:32
Gwildoror pm :)12:32
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billytwowillyIf i have 2 120 gig and 2 160 gig drives can I just partition the 160s into a 120 and a 40 and then software raid 5 the 2 120s and the 2 120 gig partitions?12:32
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ilmaribillytwowilly: sure12:33
NefarousGwildor: sorry, not a ATI user12:33
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Zimpeeso do you kno anything about it?12:33
billytwowillyilmari, got any links to setting up software raid with ubuntu?12:33
billytwowillyGwildor, what's wrong with your ati stuff?12:33
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Klownerif anyone is in need of a Christmas/Linux themed wallpaper, I just posted a fresh one on my site12:34
t17mhThis migration is a strange process... I swear it's been three or four times now that I've done an apt-get dist-upgrade and downgraded hundreds of packages...12:34
ilmaribillytwowilly: mdadm --create --level=5 --raid-disks=4 /dev/md0 /dev/hdXY ...12:35
aleriosKlowner, url?12:35
Klowneralerios: http://klowner.com12:35
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aleriosKlowner, thanks12:35
ilmaribillytwowilly: uh, --raid-devices, not --raid-disks12:35
Klowneralerios: very welcome12:36
billytwowillyilmari, I found the software raid howto;)12:36
billytwowillyilmari, thanks.12:36
billytwowillyilmari, one last question. Can I use softwar raid to setup a mirror of the boot partition, which would be those 40 gig partitions?12:37
Gwildorbillytwowilly, can i pm you?12:38
NefarousKlowner: newbie question, just how does one with an artsy gift go about drawing those wallpapers? (free hand mouse, pen, other?)12:38
billytwowillyGwildor, go ahead. I only have 3 minutes though12:39
KlownerNefarous: I use various methods, most of them I just use a mouse, I have a wacom tablet I use on occasion though12:39
NefarousKlowner: interesting, seems tedious, do you use freestrokes, or bend the lines to for arcs?12:40
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aleriosKlowner, hey great work on that site12:41
aleriosKlowner, congratulations12:41
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deninuxhi all12:43
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wfxbonobo, mp312:47
bonobowfx: Error: 'echo' is not a valid command.12:47
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wfxbonobo, mp312:48
ograyeah !!!12:49
wfxi must add  you and the ni teach you :)12:49
thoreauputicwfx: does it respond to ! or @ or similar? Like !mp3 ?12:49
yzsay what is the name of the ubuntu software to burn a cd ?12:50
wfxthoreauputic, no you must ask bonobo12:50
thoreauputicwfx: OK :)12:50
wfxbonobo, what is mp312:50
bonobowfx: Error: 'what' is not a valid command.12:50
ograbonobo: wfx12:50
bonoboogra: Error: 'wfx' is not a valid command.12:50
wfxbonobo, mp312:51
thoreauputicbonobo: google12:51
bonobothoreauputic: Error: 'google' is not a valid command.12:51
Nefarousyz: doesn't the file browser try to do that for you? otherwise a lot of people us k3b, but you have to grab it elsewhere (see Ubuntu FAQs/HOWTO)12:51
ograwfx: wfx should reply master ;)12:51
wfxwe need a better plugin (or write one) btw ...12:51
ograNefarous: its included in universe.....you dont grab it elsewhere12:52
wfxbonobo, wfx12:52
bonobothe claw is my master12:52
Nefarousogra: good to know, thanks for the correction12:52
Zimpee how to enlarge xmms's main menu's fonts? 'cos if i set the fonts in the setup menu, it increases only the playlist's and actually played filename's size.12:52
yzthanks nefarous12:53
Zimpeei will ask it for answer12:53
yzi'll lookin into filebrowser first12:53
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ograNefarous: btw, what are you guys building there ? sounds big....12:53
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Nefarousogra: confused ...12:53
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Nefarousyz: usually you just pop a blank CD in and it prompts you for the rest ...12:54
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ograNefarous: you and t17mh12:55
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t17mhogra: ?12:56
yznefarous that would be too cool12:56
Nefarousogra: t17mh was just trying to figure out how to restore his system wide menu ... so you're just confusing us now :)12:56
Nefarousyz: worked for me ... although I'm a bit of a command line guy  myself12:56
ograNefarous: oh, sorry didnt want that12:56
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KlownerNefarous: I bend lines.. takes a while to do01:02
thoreauputicNefarous: this is an *english* channel ;)01:02
dataw0lf|homeHey guys, I'm having a weird problem with a usb camera in Ubuntu, anybody mind helping me?01:02
Klowneralerios: thanks :)01:02
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dataw0lf|homeAnybody? I've tried everything I could think of to mount this usb camera, and it isn't working.01:03
dancan someone help me out with the default locations for where htdocs would be on a default install of apache2?01:03
Klownerdataw0lf|home: what cam?01:03
Bentleyhi all - has anyone here successfully installed the latest ATI driver (3.14.x) .. needed for doom3?01:03
ogradan below /var/www/01:03
dataw0lf|homeKlowner: Kodak EasyShare.. it shows up in /proc/bus/usb/devices01:04
t17mhLet's see -- what's the apt-cache/apt/dpkg? command to ask what package provides a given file?01:04
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dataw0lf|homeKlowner: and when I grep dmesg it gives me :01:04
dataw0lf|home Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...01:04
dataw0lf|homeusbcore: registered new driver usb-storage01:04
dataw0lf|homeUSB Mass Storage support registered.01:04
Klownerdataw0lf|home: hrm, my digital camera lives happily with gtkam01:04
ograt17mh: you must install apt-file01:05
danogra- it seems that location only works for localhost, as I modified index.html.en there, but from the net all I get is the apache default install page01:05
dataw0lf|homeKlowner: it just isn't giving me a /dev/ reference ( ie sda1 etc)01:05
ograt17mh: and run apt-file update afterwards01:05
t17mhogra: thanks.01:05
ograt17mh: or use dpkg -S /path/to/file01:05
Klownerdataw0lf|home: hrm, it might show up as a scsi device.. /dev/scsi or /dev/sda#01:05
t17mhogra: Ah -- that's even better.01:05
ograt17mh: if its alredy installed01:06
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dataw0lf|homeKlowner: I haven't tried /dev/scsi... but I've tried everything through /dev/sd*01:06
danim not exactly an expert on apache, but im trying it out, ubuntu makes everything be in different places than I am used to01:06
dataw0lf|homeone sec, lemme check /dev/scsi01:06
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danis anyone here using the apache2 deb?01:07
dataw0lf|homedan: yes, and multithreated enabled.01:07
dataw0lf|homeKlowner: nope, /dev/scsi isn't working either.01:07
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wfxbonobo, ogra01:08
bonobowfx: Error: 'ogra' is not a valid command.01:08
dandatawolf - am I asking in the wrong place or something? for help with the ubuntu packages of apache?01:08
Klownerdataw0lf|home: weird, I'm not sure01:08
dataw0lf|homedan: htdocs might be in /usr/local/apache/htdocs01:08
dataw0lf|homeAnyone else have any experience troubleshooting a usb camera?01:08
dataw0lf|homeit's a strange problem.01:08
danuse lsusb to check the bus01:09
ograbonobo: ogra01:09
bonobois here too01:09
danbut you need usbtools installed01:09
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dataw0lf|homehm, I didn't install usbtools.01:09
dataw0lf|homeBus 003 Device 005: ID 040a:0578 Kodak Co.01:10
dataw0lf|homewhere would that point at?01:10
once-named-danusually /dev/sd*01:10
dataw0lf|homeI can't find it.01:10
wfxbonobo, ndiwrapper01:10
bonoboubuntu with ndiswrapper, see here: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/view?searchterm=network/interfaces01:10
once-named-dando a lsmod01:10
ograbonobo: ndiswrapper01:10
bonoboubuntu with ndiswrapper, see here: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/view?searchterm=network/interfaces01:10
once-named-dando you have usb-storage module in there?01:11
dataw0lf|homeyeah, usb-storage, I modprobbed it its good.01:11
ironwolfin hoary is music player supposed to not come with a way to play mp3's?  if so what's a good alternative or how do I make it work?01:11
dataw0lf|homeMaybe if I rmmod it and insmod it back in? maybe?01:12
jordiironwolf: you probably want to install gstreamer0.8-mad?01:12
once-named-dandoubt it01:12
ograbonobo: mp301:12
ograironwolf read bonobo01:12
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ograbonobo: nvidia01:14
bonobofor nvidia see here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FinishInstallationHowto/01:14
ograhuh ?01:14
NefarousFYI: whomever mentioned the "this is an *english*" channel, my 1 yr old daughter got ahold of my laptop while I was away for a minute, thus the garbage on the screen.  She managed to rip two keys off my laptop, and wedging my backspace, thus locking up my terminal ... LOL!01:14
ograbonobo: nvidia ?01:15
bonobofor nvidia see here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FinishInstallationHowto/01:15
ograwxf: c'mon01:15
ograbonobo: nvidia ?01:15
bonoboubuntu with nvidia: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto01:15
ograbonobo: ati01:16
bonoboubuntu with ati: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto01:16
once-named-dandatawolf - my knowledge on usb-storage is outdated and only useful on 2.4 systems i guess, go check out a tutorial on google - all I can suggest, but it should show up and work as a simple usb-storage /dev/sda* in 2.401:16
wfxok now we need a better plugin for ;-)01:16
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=== wfx im not sure if the bot can remember the alias
ograwfx: which one ?01:18
ograbonobo: java01:19
bonobojava ubuntu: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats01:19
ograbonobo: java01:19
bonobojava on ubuntu: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats01:19
ograwfx: updates fine ;)01:19
wfxi must restart it in background (im login into my server from a terminal) and before i do this i like to know how do i save the aliases01:21
wfxand im sure ther are more users to add (some names?)01:22
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ograwfx: plovs i guess, he cares a lot for the wiki01:24
cyrus-tcwfx, write the aliases into your .bashrc file01:24
wfxcyrus-tc, thx but i meant the bot01:25
ogracyrus-tc: for the channelbot ?01:25
wfxplovs is add same pass :)01:25
ogracyrus-tc: type: bonobo: nvidia01:26
ogracyrus-tc: in the cannel ;)01:27
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ograbonobo: shaliases01:28
bonoboadd your aliases to the ~/.bashrc file01:28
wfx?! :)  shaliases this is the word for ?? :-)01:29
ograwfx: didnt want sh_aliases01:29
thoreauputicogra: bash-aliases maybe?01:29
ograthoreauputic: no dashes :(01:30
thoreauputicno  .  either?01:30
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plovswfx, what's up01:30
plovsogra, can i help?01:30
ograbonobo: bash.aliases01:30
bonoboadd your aliases to the ~/.bashrc file01:30
ograbonobo: java01:31
bonobojava on ubuntu: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats01:31
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cyrus-tcogra, haven't followed discussion01:31
wfxhi :)01:31
ograbonobo: plovs01:31
bonoboplovs: the greatest wiki writer around01:31
ograbonobo: bash.aliases01:31
bonoboadd your aliases to the ~/.bashrc file01:31
thoreauputicbonobo: nvidia01:31
bonoboubuntu with nvidia: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto01:31
cyrus-tcis there an interest in a guide how to get the 5+6 mouse buttons work? -> like windows forward and back in mozilla etc.01:32
plovsbonobo, atm learning docbook01:32
bonoboplovs: Error: 'atm' is not a valid command.01:32
usualhttp://colin.homeunix.org/g.jpg it's an apache access log....script kiddies? worm?01:32
plovsogra, yours?01:32
ograplovs: wxf01:32
ograplovs: wfx01:33
ograplovs: you got access01:33
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wfxplovs i have give you the right to do all thing with it01:33
ograplovs: so you can add your wikipages easily :)01:34
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plovswfx, thanks :-) ,but what is it?01:34
wfxa bot ;-)01:34
ograplovs: a python based bot :)01:34
plovswfx, ogra, nice!01:35
plovsbonobo, help01:35
bonoboplovs: (help [<plugin>]  <command>) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.01:35
wfxbonobo, wfx01:35
bonobothe artist of http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=1777601:35
ironwolfthanks bonobo and others.  that did it.01:35
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ograwfx: your drawig too ?01:36
cyrus-tcbonobo: plovs01:36
bonoboplovs: the greatest wiki writer around01:36
cyrus-tcbonobo: ati01:36
bonoboubuntu with ati: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto01:36
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wfxogra, yes it paint01:37
Nefarouswhere is this wiki you speak so highly of ...01:37
kapputua question for you guys01:37
ograwfx: wow01:37
kapputuhow does one get back to programming in C, C++ after programming in Perl, Java?01:37
wfxbonobo, wiki01:37
bonobothe wiki is on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/01:37
wfxogra, thx (i also work on teg.sf.net :)01:38
Nefarouskapputu: odd question, easiest answer is to just use them all as much as possible, I'm rusty on my perl, but I program in C/C++/Java daily ...01:38
ograbonobo: kapputu01:38
bonoboogra: Error: 'kapputu' is not a valid command.01:38
ograbonobo: kapputu01:38
bonobokapputu: always wants to know......01:38
plovsbonobo, faq01:38
bonoboplovs: Error: 'faq' is not a valid command.01:38
cyrus-tcbonobo: next saturday lottery numbers01:39
bonobocyrus-tc: Error: 'next' is not a valid command.01:39
wfxneeds to add01:39
kapputuno, every time I try to program in C, C++ these days, I feel frustrated and start thinking how easy this is in perl or java01:39
dataw0lf|homejava's gay.01:39
Nefarouskapputu: do you use STL for C++?01:39
kapputuespecially I have started to hate pointers01:39
kapputuno I haven't got down to serious coding in C++ yet but will start soon01:39
kapputuI started by learning C and C++ but01:40
ograkapputu: i'm just learning python ;) http://www.grawert.net/startup-settings.png01:40
kapputuyeah me too01:40
Nefarouskapputu: STL makes C++ a little easier, especially when you are used to just having a library/class for everything under the sun in Java/Perl.01:40
wfxnice the latter you can help with the pygame client port of teg :-)01:40
kapputuyeah I kinda have an idea of what STL is01:40
kapputubut I'm struggling to get back01:41
kapputuall the more since I'm working as a Perl developer01:41
Nefarouskapputu: for perl I just keep a book nearby :)01:41
kapputuogra: what's python's connection to Ubuntu01:41
kapputuwhen I was installing, I found that a lot of python libraries got installed01:41
lamont_rkapputu: Mark _really_ likes python01:42
ograkapputu: ubuntu is centralized around it01:42
lamont_rso ubuntu adopted it.01:42
Nefarouskapputu: do you find yourself choosing the language or being forced to use one or the other? (I guess this is all offtopic here)01:42
kapputuok, it's like I'm going to get involved in the Firefox project01:42
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lamont_rNefarous: for perl, I keep a wall nearby to hit my head on.01:43
wfxbonobo, nvidia01:43
bonoboubuntu with nvidia: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto01:43
kapputualso, I'll be starting work on a customized search engine involving gigabytes of data01:43
kapputuso C++ is definitely a better option, due to the speed01:43
Nefarous(oh gosh, don't start that flame war)01:43
Matt|hi i have a problem with gdm, I can't sort out my ~/.xsession file in order to make icewm work properly. Can someone help me out?01:44
thoreauputicbonobo: flamewar01:44
bonobothoreauputic: Error: 'flamewar' is not a valid command.01:44
thoreauputicah, that needs fixing ;-)01:44
kapputuif you are proficient in Perl, you can get a lot of things done in less time but it might not be very extensible or resuable or efficient01:44
Matt|oh you have put a bot on01:44
Matt|good idea01:44
LifesizeKenDollwhat is bonobo's point?01:44
ograMatt|: yeah !!01:44
Matt|ogra, ATI01:44
ograbobobo: ati01:44
Matt|ogra, help me out with gdm?01:45
kapputuhey what's up with this bonobo thing01:45
Matt|bonobo, mp301:45
ograbonobo: ati01:45
bonoboubuntu with ati: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto01:45
thoreauputicLifesizeKenDoll: once she's taught, she can give us lots of info01:45
LifesizeKenDollooh, fun01:45
LifesizeKenDollit's a she?01:45
LifesizeKenDollbut it ends in 'o'01:45
Matt|bonobo is a mans name01:45
bonoboMatt|: Error: 'is' is not a valid command.01:45
ogralifeless: for sure01:45
wfxits a ape a01:45
thoreauputicLifesizeKenDoll: look up bonobo :)01:45
ograits a female ape ;)01:45
wfxthe dna of this ape is ~99.4 similary to use01:46
NefarousMatt|: what's in your xsession file?01:46
wfxmice also :)01:46
LifesizeKenDollooh, ape-tastic01:46
Matt|ah thanks for replying Nefarous01:46
kapputuno I mean the error: not a valid command thing01:46
Matt|matt@kallisto:~ $ cat .xsession01:46
Matt|xscreensaver &01:46
Matt|nautilus -n &01:46
Matt|^^ Nefarous01:46
kapputuis it a bot or is it really someone acting funny ?01:46
thoreauputic$ dict bonobo bonobo01:46
thoreauputic       n : small chimpanzee of swamp forests in Zaire; a threatened01:46
thoreauputic           species [syn: {pygmy chimpanzee}, {Pan paniscus}] 01:46
Matt|bonobo is a program i thought01:47
bonoboMatt|: Error: 'is' is not a valid command.01:47
NefarousMatt|: any particular reason you're going that route? (this is Ununtu right?)01:47
Matt|Nefarous, what other route do I have?01:47
Matt|you HAVE to take off the Error message from that stupid bot01:47
thoreauputicMatt|: the program is named after the chimp :)01:47
wfxanyone how have the right should add bonobo to topic "first ask bonobo:keyword" or something like this :-)01:47
ograbonobo: plovs01:47
bonoboplovs: the greatest wiki and desktop doc writer around01:47
NefarousMatt|: well I can't look now, but usually you can choose your WM pref from the gdm dialog, but that might not help you with the default apps.01:47
lifelessogra: ???01:48
Matt|Nefarous, i can choose the WM from the gdm dialogue, but i want it to start with nautilus too, so I used the .xsession file01:48
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LifesizeKenDollbonobo sex01:48
bonoboLifesizeKenDoll: Error: 'sex' is not a valid command.01:48
ogralifeless: sorry autocompletion.....01:48
NefarousMatt|: what's it doing?01:48
dataw0lf|homebonobo version01:48
Matt|Nefarous, what is what doing?01:48
bonobodataw0lf|home: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.80.0pre2.  The newest version available online is 0.80.0pre2.01:48
thoreauputicbonobo: stfu01:48
bonobothoreauputic: Error: 'stfu' is not a valid command.01:48
NefarousMatt|: when you launch X ... is it hanging?01:48
dataw0lf|homebonobo: kick01:49
bonobodataw0lf|home: Error: You don't have the '#ubuntu,op' capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.01:49
Matt|Nefarous, oh sorry!!! no it works fine, but I cannot logout.01:49
kapputubonobo: ogra01:49
bonobois here too01:49
Matt|this bot is gonna be really annoying01:49
NefarousMatt|:  does it logout when you close all of your apps?01:49
dataw0lf|homebonobo google01:49
bonobodataw0lf|home: Error: 'google' is not a valid command.01:49
Matt|Nefarous, you mean if I kill nautilus and xscreensaver?01:49
dataw0lf|home!google ubuntu usb drive01:50
Matt|Nefarous, i'm not sure. Probably01:50
thoreauputicdataw0lf|home: nah, doesn't do !01:50
NefarousMatt|: yes ... I'm not an ICEwm user ... what's the normal process for logging out?>01:50
wfxgoggle plugin is avail must be load but i dont think we should do01:50
kapputubonobo google01:50
bonobokapputu: Error: 'google' is not a valid command.01:50
d0gmaznautilus reacts very very slow version 2.8.2 somebody maybe knows what it is?01:50
LifesizeKenDollbe back later, people01:50
kapputubonobo ogra01:50
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bonobois here too01:50
Matt|Nefarous, clicking the logout button normally does it. It works fine if I just start icewm from the gdm session menu. but that way I don't get nautilus01:50
kapputubonobo wxf01:50
bonobokapputu: Error: 'wxf' is not a valid command.01:50
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kapputubonobo wfx01:51
bonobothe artist of http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=1777601:51
Matt|stop it already01:51
kapputubonobo Matt|01:51
bonobokapputu: Error: 'Matt|' is not a valid command.01:51
kapputubonobo plovs01:51
bonoboplovs: the greatest wiki and desktop doc writer around01:51
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thoreauputicbonobo: bot_abuse01:51
bonobothoreauputic: Error: 'bot_abuse' is not a valid command.01:51
thoreauputicindeed not :)01:51
kapputubonobo thoreauputic01:52
bonobokapputu: Error: 'thoreauputic' is not a valid command.01:52
Matt|you guys are easily ammused01:52
kapputuno Matt|, it's over01:52
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suixdoes any one uses php? I have a problem when I try to make a  mysql_connect(), it gives me an error saying that Im trying to call to an undefined function :S I have php4-mysql installed :S01:52
Matt|can anyone else help me with this gdm thing?01:52
NefarousMatt|: haven't ditched ya, pondering01:53
ograMatt|: send your xsession (pm)01:53
Matt|ah kewl01:53
d0gmazit takes very long to open folders and open new screens in nautilus someone knows what to do?01:53
Matt|d0gmaz, hoary?01:53
d0gmazMatt|, yes01:54
Matt|d0gmaz, "sudo apt-get install gamin"01:54
d0gmazwhat is it?01:55
Matt|not sure01:55
ograd0gmaz: replacement for fam01:55
Matt|it is a replacement for fam01:55
d0gmazit worked01:55
Matt|good :)01:55
d0gmazbut i dont understand01:55
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d0gmazcuz it worked only slow now its fast01:56
d0gmazwhat is that gamin?01:56
NefarousMatt|: is that the normal way to start icewm? I believe you typed icewm-session? is that different than just launching ice-wm?01:56
Matt|Nefarous, sort of01:56
ograd0gmaz: fam = file-alternation-manager01:56
wfxogra, would be better http://supybot.sourceforge.net/docs/plugins/Utilities.html#re ?01:56
Lathiatsuix: need to add extension=mysql.so in /etc/apache/php4.ini or wherever it is01:56
Matt|Nefarous, the command icewm just launches the bare bones01:57
NefarousMatt|: the only other thing of note, in /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/examples/* they prefix the wm line with exec, i.e. "exec twm"01:57
JDahlI followed the wiki on installing ATI fglrx - Cudos to the author, that was easy!! I have an IBM thinkpad, and I dont seem to be able to run things in fullscreen; openGL applications pop in the lower left corner, e.g. a 800x600 window out of the 1400x1050 total resolution. Is this normal for laptops using openGL applications? (I havent installed games for quite awhile)01:57
Matt|Nefarous, true that is not a bad idea01:57
ograwfx: i'm fine as it is.....01:57
Matt|ogra, you are running the bot?01:57
ograwfx: but probably for fulltext questions......01:58
ograMatt|: wfx01:58
kapputuso anything new in the Ubuntu community?01:58
NefarousMatt|: trying to recall the diff btw .xsession and .xinitrc ... I think I've always used the latter ... but that's usually for borderless/noWM displays01:58
kapputuI miss Ubuntu at work :-(01:58
Matt|Nefarous, .xinitrc does not work with gdm01:59
Matt|Be RiGhT bAcK01:59
kapputuwhat's gdm01:59
ograbonobo: kapputu02:00
bonobokapputu: always wants to know......02:00
thoreauputickapputu: gnome display manager02:00
kapputubonobo gdm02:00
bonobokapputu: Error: 'gdm' is not a valid command.02:00
darklingGraphical login screen for Gnome.02:00
kapputudamn Ogra :-P02:00
kapputuwhat's .xinitrc got to do with gdm ?02:00
ograbonobo: gdm02:00
bonobothe graphical login screen of ubuntu02:00
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d0gmazhow do i turn on dropshadow in X.org?02:00
kapputuogra, Hoary has X.org?02:01
Lathiatkapputu: it does02:01
kapputuhow many switched to Hoary?02:01
kapputuomg, I'm being tempted02:01
Lathiatd0gmaz: get xcompmgr from deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/ -- install it and run xcompmgr -c; sleep 5; killall metacity02:02
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ograbonobo: hoary02:02
bonobothe unstable development branch of ubuntu use at your own risk02:02
kapputurisk is not a major factor02:02
kapputunot sure about the time I need to spend02:02
kapputubonobo warty02:03
bonobokapputu: Error: 'warty' is not a valid command.02:03
Matt|no luck02:03
ograbonobo: xcompmgr02:03
bonoboget xcompmgr from deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/02:03
kapputubonobo Matt|02:03
bonobokapputu: Error: 'Matt|' is not a valid command.02:03
NefarousMatt|: does icewm have it's own startup config file?02:04
kapputubonobo: Poor soul who is having difficulty02:04
bonobokapputu: Error: 'Poor' is not a valid command.02:04
Matt|Nefarous, nope02:04
kapputubonobo: "valid command"02:04
bonobokapputu: Error: 'valid command' is not a valid command.02:04
kapputuoh what a contradiction02:04
NefarousMatt|: hmmm, normally this is not rocket science, wonder what we're missing here ...02:05
wfxtime to sleep..... have fun02:05
ogragut nacht ;)02:05
kapputuwfx: can I get the access rights ?02:05
kapputugut nacht wfx02:05
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kapputuhow do you say 'hello' in german ?02:06
kapputuhow do you do ??02:06
ograwie geht es dir ??02:07
ograkapputu: topic :)02:07
Matt|if I kill nautilus, then I can logout ok02:07
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kapputuubuntu is a good OS, how do I say Fine, thank you02:07
d0gmazhow do i install a .deb package?02:07
Nefarousso do you just put a killall -TERM nautilus in you .xsession?02:07
mtld0gmaz: dpkg -i02:07
Matt|Nefarous, i don't think that would work02:08
ograMatt|: try adding: killall nautilus behind icewm-session02:08
kapputuhow do I say Ubuntu is a good OS in German?02:08
Matt|ogra, but I want nautilus to run when I login!!!! that's the whole point02:08
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ograMatt|: they are run one after another, if icewm-session killall nautilus is run02:09
Matt|oh you genius02:09
Matt|lemme try02:09
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ograi'm not sure though02:10
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ograso ?02:11
Matt|that would have been clever02:11
Matt|i tell ya what we need02:12
ograMatt|: then try this line: icewm-session && killall nautilus02:12
Matt|i think perhaps the problem is that nautilus has to die before icewm allows itself to end tho02:12
Matt|Be RiGhT bAcK02:13
Gwildorhow do i tell if i am using xorg or xfree?02:13
bob2we told you that last night02:13
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bob2"dpkg -l xserver-xorg xserver-xfree86 | tail -n2"02:13
Gwildorii  xserver-xorg   6.8.1-1ubuntu2 the X.Org X server02:14
Gwildorrc  xserver-xfree8 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 the XFree86 X server02:14
bob2you have xorg02:14
Gwildorhow to test 3d support?02:15
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ograMatt|: ?02:15
ograMatt|: hmm02:15
Matt|does anyone else have to wait about 20 seconds before logging into freenode?02:15
Matt|--- *** Looking up your hostname...02:16
Matt|--- *** Found your hostname, welcome back02:16
Matt|--- *** Checking ident02:16
ograMatt|: longer02:16
Matt|at that stage02:16
alindemanMatt|: You should REJECT (not DROP) packets coming at your identd port, if possible02:16
Matt|alindeman, drop?02:16
alindeman(port 113)02:16
Matt|i have port 113 closed02:16
alindemanIf you just DROP the packets, it takes longer to time out02:16
Matt|ah i c02:16
bob2"closed" doesn't mean anything02:17
alindemanThat's fine, but you should reject, not just drop them, if possible02:17
Matt|bob2, it does to my router interface02:17
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Matt|bob2, open/closed02:17
JDahlcould someone using the ATI flgrx driver check their results for "fgl_glxgears" for me? I get 284 fps, and I am not sure if that's good or not (and my previous question about OpenGL fullscreen mode is a well-known bug according to the debian docs)02:17
Matt|JDahl, i get around 400 with my crappy ati card with dri enabled02:18
Matt|bob2, hi02:18
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mjr284 sounds almost like software rendering02:18
mjr(with a fast computer, tho)02:18
bob2home router things and windoes "firewalls" have confused a generation of computer users02:18
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Matt|bob2, oh well i can live with it. Other networks are much quicker tho02:19
bob2Matt|: put your .xsession in #flood02:19
Matt|bob2, not necessary it's three lines02:19
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Matt|exec xscreensaver &02:19
Matt|exec nautilus -n &02:19
Matt|exec icewm-session02:19
bob2don't use exec02:19
Matt|i've also tried without the exec02:19
JDahlMatt|, how would a Radeon Mobility 9000 stack up against your card? I would expect more than 280fps02:19
Matt|no difference02:19
Matt|JDahl, yeah i'm thinking better, but I really don't know02:20
bob2heh, 898 in glxgears on my radeon with Free drivers02:20
Matt|bob2, if I kill nautilus then I can logout fine02:20
bob2Matt|: weren't you trying to kill nautilus after icewm-session?02:20
d0gmazi want to install this package http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xcompmgr/ how do i install a package manually?02:20
Matt|bob2, i was just trying it to see if it would help.02:21
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bob2did it?02:21
Matt|d0gmaz, you had the answer already ;) dpkg -i package02:21
Matt|bob2, nope02:21
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bob2d0gmaz: you don't, add the right deb line to /etc/apt/sources.list02:21
Matt|bob2, i guess it needs nautilus killed before icewm-session can die02:21
ograbonobo: manual.install02:21
bonobosudo dpkg -i <packagename.deb>02:21
d0gmazMatt|, but it has dependencies02:22
Matt|d0gmaz, ok do the way bob2 says02:22
ograd0gmaz: bob2 is right02:22
GFXstyLERi have a little problem, does someone have a minute for me ;) ?02:22
Matt|GFXstyLER, shoot02:22
GFXstyLERubuntu wont book02:22
Matt|thats not good02:22
Matt|why not?02:22
GFXstyLERafter grub it doesnt go further02:23
bob2d0gmaz: add "deb  http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xcompmgr/ ./" to /etc/apt/sources.list02:23
GFXstyLERgrub loading, please wait ...02:23
ograGFXstyLER: errors ?02:23
Matt|GFXstyLER, an error message would help02:23
bob2d0gmaz: run "apt-get update", then you can install xcompmgr from synaptic or apt or whatever02:23
GFXstyLERmaybe some problem with the notebook?02:23
bob2Matt|: can't you get icewm-session to run nautilus for you?02:23
d0gmazbob2, thanks02:23
GFXstyLERon pc it runs fine02:23
bob2but I'm pretty sure xcompmgr is in hoary now02:23
ograGFXstyLER: which brand/model02:23
GFXstyLERfujitsu amilo d 184002:24
ograbonobo: laptops02:24
bonoboubuntu on laptops: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops02:24
Matt|bob2, xcompmgr isn't there yet02:24
ograbonobo: xompmgr02:24
bonoboogra: Error: 'xompmgr' is not a valid command.02:24
GFXstyLERit isnt listed there :) but i guess ill try, though02:24
ograbonobo: xcompmgr02:24
bonoboget xcompmgr from deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/02:24
Matt|bob2, dunno if getting icewm-session to run nautilus for me would help, maybe it is worth a try02:24
bob2ah, you're right, just the libs are02:24
Matt|bonobo, do I need to just say xcompmgr or can you pick it out of a sentence?02:24
bonoboMatt|: Error: 'do' is not a valid command.02:24
bob2Matt|: I think it will02:24
Matt|bob2, ok i will try02:25
ograMatt|: not yet02:25
GFXstyLERcan i use another boot loader than grub? maybe that would help02:25
ograMatt|: wfx wants to implemet regex matching...02:25
XenguyGFXstyLER: yes - you run the 'expert' install I believe02:25
bob2oh dear02:26
ograGFXstyLER: try some boot options, like said on the laptops page i.e. noacpi nolapic noapic02:26
bob2who's running that bot?02:26
Matt|bob2, i don't know how to do it02:26
ograbob2 ?02:26
bob2ogra: bonobo02:26
ograbob2 wfx02:26
ograbob2 he is off currently....02:27
GFXstyLERhow do i run options :D ? im a little new to linux02:27
Matt|it would probably be good to have the bot off while testing02:27
ograbob2 whats wrong....02:27
bob2yeah, I know02:27
Matt|GFXstyLER, you can edit the grub menu by pressing escape when it starts, then pressing E for edit, and then adding the lines which you find on that page02:27
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XenguyGFXstyLER: when you begin the install, press F1 for help (it says so right on the screen)02:28
ograbob2 look, you complained about much typing....try bonobo: ati02:28
EfaistOsthe xorg server is by default in ubuntu in hoary ?02:28
Matt|ogra, yeah but it is not working well yet. it should be testing elsewhere in my opinion02:28
Matt|EfaistOs, yes02:28
GFXstyLERand then when i have pressed F1 i press escape and then E for edit and then adding the lines?02:29
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Matt|GFXstyLER, no my directions were if ubuntu is already installed. His directions were for running the cd02:29
bob2ogra: oh, not complaining, just curious02:29
GFXstyLERsorry *g*02:29
GFXstyLERthanks i will try that later02:29
ograbob2 oh, ok.....02:29
giardanyone know how to change your default language in ubuntu/gnome?02:30
EfaistOsMatt|, and is it better than the original X ?02:30
Matt|EfaistOs, dunno ;) it works ok02:30
EfaistOsand can we keep X if we dont want xorg02:30
bob2ogra: can anyone edit it's factoids?02:30
ograbob2 me,wfx and plovs currently02:31
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GFXstyLERdoes anyone know if the ati 3d accerleration works in ubuntu? because it doesnt work in other ditros for me, too02:31
bob2ogra: oh, suck02:31
bob2GFXstyLER: why doesn't it work in other distros?02:31
ograbob2 want to add something ?02:32
GFXstyLERdont know, it only works with SuSe, no others02:32
Matt|bob2, i'm doing some browsing: https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2003-January/msg00265.html02:32
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ograbonobo: ati02:32
bonoboubuntu with ati: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto02:32
Matt|GFXstyLER, i have the free ati drivers working ok here02:32
suposdoesn't Ubuntu have modconf (as the one in Debian) or a similar utility02:32
GFXstyLERoh that sounds good :D02:32
bob2ogra: well, I would like  to have access to add and modify things02:32
ograbob2: i dunno how to grant it, i think wfx has to do it....02:33
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bob2ogra: do you know his/her email address?02:34
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EfaistOsdoes xorg uses the same config files than X  ?02:35
scoonhey all, anyone have a TON of trouble with key mappings and xfree ?02:35
EfaistOsbob2, do u know what are they  ?02:35
moyogoEfaistOs: xorg uses /etc/X11/xorg.conf02:35
EfaistOsthanks moyogo02:36
ograbob2 ?02:36
bob2ogra: wfx's, so I can ask for access02:36
ograbob2: see my priv msg02:37
bob2I don't see one02:37
d0gmazthe x.org.conf wich is used by ubuntu is in /etc/X11 right?02:38
bob2if you need to edit it, tho, it's a bug02:38
d0gmazi want to enable composite but it wont wor02:39
d0gmazNo composite extension02:40
bob2there was a typo in daniel's announcement02:40
d0gmazit says02:40
bob2did you install it?02:40
GFXstyLERwow linux seems to be a lot faster on my pc than on my notebook, even they are close the same system02:40
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moyogobob2: what was the typo?02:41
cleeGFXstyLER: hard drive speed probably has a decent amount to do with that02:41
bob2enable instead of enabled02:42
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d0gmazbob2, i added these things to my xorg.conf http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Using%20the%20Composite%20extension02:42
cleebob2: did you hear the word? I spread about 30 Ubuntu CDs to my Red Hat peers.02:42
GFXstyLERyes the harddrive of the pc is much faster, maybe thats the reason02:43
bob2clee: hah, awesome.  any word back yet?02:43
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cleebob2: not yet. initial impressions of the packaging were very positive though.02:43
bob2clee: careful you don't get in trouble ;-)02:43
bob2d0gmaz: and what and where dod you get an error?02:44
cleebob2: heh, are you kidding me? dude, you guys are on Product Management's radar now ;)02:44
d0gmazwhen i run xcompmgr02:44
d0gmazNo composite extension02:44
ograclee: hehe02:44
Gwildori HAVE NOT installed the fglrx ati drivers, i am now on hoary, and xorg, is it too late to install them, the how to's are for xfree02:44
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bob2clee: haha02:45
cleebob2: I'm serious, btw. Donald Fischer, one of the guys in PM, actually has both a copy of your x86 Warty CD set and the PPC install disc02:45
bob2d0gmaz: can you put up your xorg.conf up somewhere?02:45
d0gmazyea gimme a sec02:46
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bob2clee: woah, wow02:46
bob2clee: do you think we're seen as up against fedora or rhel or both?02:46
cleebob2: right now? not sure. I'm willing to bet that I'll be called in on a meeting about it if it's deemed a threat to RHEL.02:47
cleebob2: I personally see you guys as the RHEL to Debian's Fedora02:47
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d0gmazbob2, http://www.pastebin.com/119702 here it is02:49
bob2clee: hmmmm, very interesting02:49
cleebob2: yeah, well, we'll see how it goes :)02:49
cleebob2: I handed them out yesterday, so maybe I'll have some feedback on Monday02:49
leonelhow can I get  hoary  ?02:49
usualchange warty in sources.list02:50
usualto hoary02:50
bob2leonel: install warty, move to haory.  or try out the alpha lpah lpha cds colin made last week02:50
cleebob2: of course, I'm sure you can't really say in detail, but would you agree more with my assessment? or would you say otherwise? re the RHEL/Fedora outlook.02:50
bob2clee: ah, right02:50
d0gmazpretty weird no gui ftp client on a standard install02:51
b_e_n_zd0gmaz, not weird02:51
mtlapt-get install gftp02:51
d0gmazyea i know02:51
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d0gmazbut you got a whole office suite but no ftp client02:52
b_e_n_zd0gmaz, you do know that there's firefox right?02:52
b_e_n_zd0gmaz, and in the URL you can type ftp://02:52
d0gmazbut i cant upload or can i?02:52
bob2clee: hm...ubuntu is going hard on the community side of things, too, to create a strong community as well.  but at the moment, debian is very much our backbone.02:53
jcsprayd0gmaz: nautilus can do ftp.02:55
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cleebob2: well, the thing is, Fedora is going that way. the problem really is that it was announced and forced out prematurely; the infrastructure for it being a community project was never in place02:56
cleebob2: but there's a CVS server which (if it hasn't been announced yet) is going to be made public soon02:57
ograd0gmaz: if you want it the "old" way sudo apt-get install gftp02:57
bob2clee: ah, that is a good start02:57
ograd0gmaz: but i would also suggest nautilus, its pretty cool02:57
bob2clee: there seems to have been a fair bit of disappointment with how fedora's community aspect has been delt with so far02:58
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cleeno more than from internally, trust me02:58
cleeI don't think that a lot of people grok this about RH02:58
cleebut we flame eachother and bitch and complain *way* more than the outside does about us02:58
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jcspraythere's all this neat stuff in nautilus that's too hidden.  Like, who's going to figure out that you have to open your home directory and click "Places -> CD Creator" to burn a CD?02:58
cleeyou should *see* the flamewars on the internal mailinglists about shit02:58
b_e_n_zjcspray, i find that nautilus is pretty cool that if i right click on an ISO and i can burn the image to disk02:59
b_e_n_zjcspray, cdr i imeant02:59
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cleebob2: seriously. and there have been plenty of flames directed at Gafton as far as the Fedora thing goes. But Fedora right now, at least within Red Hat, is mostly a one-man show. So it's amazing (to me anyway) just how far it's already come03:01
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jcsprayb_e_n_z: sure, it's useful, it's good functionality.  What I'm saying is that someone new to GNOME is going to scan through the applications menu for a cd burning app, not see one, and assume there isn't such functionality.03:03
Xenguythoreauputic: gloin_ ogra supos -- the 'vesa' driver worked (for X4 on S3 Trio vid card) !  Even more amazingly is that this GNOME desktop actually seems to run not badly on a P-233 with ~100Mb RAM (must be the 2.6 kernel?)03:03
Xenguyanyhow - w00t! :-)03:04
LathiatXenguy: Yeh i run GNOME on a P266 with 192mb ram (laptop)03:04
bob2clee: hrm, I didn't realise it was like that, it seemed it was intended as a major corporate thrust03:04
slightlyI'm dual-booting Ubuntu and OS X on a powerbook, and I want to delete the Ubuntu install and restart it. However, OS X can't read the Ubuntu volume. Any ideas how I rectify this?03:04
XenguyLathiat: I was expecting bloat-city, y'know?03:04
LathiatXenguy: its the roam that gets it03:04
cleebob2: heh. the rest of the company tends to take a while to catch up to the PR department.03:04
thoreauputicXenguy: :)03:04
Lathiatcus i have 192mb ram, its fine03:04
cleebob2: those guys have big mouths. :/03:04
XenguyThanks again you guys - success03:05
XenguyLathiat: yeah, RAM always helps03:05
bob2slightly: just reinstall it03:06
bob2slightly: tell the partition tool in ubuntu to format the existing ubuntu partition03:06
XenguyLathiat: time to change your password d00d :P03:06
bob2clee: hah, right03:06
LathiatXenguy: good thing it wasnt all of it, but yes :)03:06
Xenguyquick ;-)03:06
bob2clee: that lack is one of our advantages for now then ;-)03:06
slightlyhm, so I can reinstall Ubuntu from Ubuntu itself?03:06
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bob2slightly: no, when you boot the cd03:07
Lathiati blame jamesh03:07
slightlyah, I didn't do it from CD, I dl'edit03:07
Lathiatbecause i was editing gnome-autogen.sh to take --force out from automake03:07
Lathiatand needed my rootpw :)03:07
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usualwhat's up with this log entry03:07
usualNov 13 16:09:28 localhost sshd[12015] : reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for adsl-131.103.46.info.com.ph failed - POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT!03:07
Lathiatusual: ignore that, iirc it means the reverse/forward dns of an ip werent the same, could be wrong?03:08
usualLathiat, yea, i thought so also, but it see's it as a break in03:08
Lathiatusual: its just a warning03:08
Lathiati.e. if they arent the same someone coudl be doing dodgy things03:09
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ChibiFS:D Rawkin.03:09
=== gloin_ sees the highlight from Xenguy and is happy
gloin_ubuntu runs really lightweight on pretty much any hardware platform from what I see03:10
gloin_one of the reasons I like it =] 03:10
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littlegreenmanhow can i under ubuntu see what hardware I am running?03:10
gloin_cpu[Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz @ 2.666 GHz | Cache size: 512 KB] 03:10
LathiatChibiFS: are you running gnome2 tho :)03:10
bob2littlegreenman: which hardware?03:11
littlegreenmanbecause you guys are discussing on what machine you are running ubuntu03:11
ogralittlegreenman: deviace manager03:11
gloin_as a gamer, I've found that my framerate is astonishingly improved using ubuntu versus some of the commercial distros03:11
ChibiFSHell no, XFCE.03:11
littlegreenmanand i don't feel like going to xp to see what i have03:11
ChibiFSI hate gnome :/03:11
littlegreenmanok gona try that03:11
LathiatChibiFS: i love gnome, not on that hardware tho :)03:11
LathiatChibiFS: and yes xfce rocks, i ran it on my p133 laptop w/64mb ram03:11
XenguyChibiFS: woo, no way :-) Ahh XFCE - nice.  How much RAM (out of curiousity) ?03:12
gloin_littlegreenman: you could also download sysinfo.pl for xchat03:12
gloin_=] 03:12
Lathiatand on my 32mb laptop too03:12
Lathiatthat was p133 as wel03:12
ChibiFS30 megs03:12
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Lathiatim getting a nice new laptop soon, mmm 1.6ghz pentium-m :)03:12
Xenguyhahah this is sweet03:12
littlegreenmangloin: ok, you are way ahead of me....03:12
ChibiFSCompaq LTE 530003:12
littlegreenmanmaybe later03:12
Lathiatsick of this 266mhz slow piece of crap :)03:12
gloin_littlegreenman: google sysinfo.pl03:12
gloin_download that03:12
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ChibiFSI've been compiling a FB kenrel for it for the past... mmm.... 11 hours03:12
Lathiatlittlegreenman: http://lathiat.bur.st/sysinfo264.pls03:13
Lathiatsaved you the effort :)03:13
thoreauputiclittlegreenman: one command is ; cat /proc/cpuinfo03:13
littlegreenmanyes gloin, but then how do i make it run :D03:13
gloin_littlegreenman: when you've downloaded it, go to the X-Chat menu, and click "Load plugin or script"03:13
gloin_browse to the file03:13
gloin_click OK =] 03:13
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ograChibiFS: your only ubuntu system ?03:13
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Lathiatlittlegreenman: mv sysinfo264.pls sysinfo264.pl; chmod u+x sysinfo264.pl; ./sysinfo264.pl03:13
Lathiatlittlegreenman: (in a terminal)03:13
dargohi all03:13
ChibiFSNo. I run Ubuntu on my main desktop, too.03:13
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eclipsehow do you exit gdm?03:14
ograChibiFS: you could have compiled there.....03:14
Lathiateclipse: /etc/init.d/gdm stop03:14
LathiatChibiFS: each to his own03:14
eclipsethnx Lathiat03:14
ograChibiFS: and then just copy it over03:14
Lathiatanyone know what the *current* cvsroot for libburn is?03:14
ChibiFSHehe, Yes, I could have :P03:14
gloin_littlegreenman: the file Lathiat sent you to will have to have the file extension renamed from "pls" to "pl" in order for it to work03:14
ChibiFSBut this is more fun.03:14
Lathiatso many versions of all these projects elated to coaster03:14
eclipsethat will end Xserver, right?03:14
gloin_nice hack to get the file to download rather than execute on the webserver =] 03:14
Lathiatgloin_: i did say that :)03:14
littlegreenmanok, goona try ... :D03:15
dargosomebody uses rythymbox in UBUNTU?03:15
Lathiatdargo: i do03:15
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ogradargo: yep03:15
Lathiatdargo: wouldnt use anything else :)03:15
ChibiFSBy the by, I need to get rid of these install packages. Anyone remember the command to get rid of all ll03:15
ChibiFSthe debs that apt got?03:15
dargosorry for my english...:P03:15
gloin_SysInfo: Linux | Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz 2666.903 MHz | Bogomips: 5292.03 | Mem: 326/504M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 146.94G Free: 94.11G | Procs: 76 | Uptime: 8 hrs 19 mins 25 secs | Load: 0.05 0.05 0.01  | Vpenis: 52.7 cm | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV35 [GeForce FX 5900XT]  (rev a1) @ 1280x1024 (24 bpp) | eth0: In: 280.82M Out: 54.58M03:15
gloin_Sensors: HDD:03:15
gloin_it works!03:15
ograChibiFS: sudo apt-get clean03:15
gloin_sorry for the spam =[03:15
thoreauputicChibiFS: sudo apt-get clean03:15
eclipsehow do u exit X?03:15
dargoI have a problem with mp3, some work and other no03:15
gloin_eclipse: /etc/init.d/gdm stop03:16
ChibiFSdargo- apt-get install gstreamer-mad03:16
bob2ChibiFS: no03:16
ograbonobo: mp303:16
dargothere's not plugin installed to handle...03:16
ChibiFS:o ?03:16
eclipsei just type that and nothing happened03:16
ogradargo: look wht the bot said.....(bonobo)03:16
ChibiFSIsn't gstreamer-mad the mpeg libraries for GS?03:16
gloin_eclipse: did you prepend "sudo"?03:16
bob2ChibiFS: rhythmbox etc want gstreamer0.8-mad03:16
dargook ogra03:17
gloin_sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop03:17
ChibiFSHe said he was using rhythmbox03:17
ChibiFSDidn't he?03:17
dargoChibiFS, that package already I have installed it03:17
ChibiFSI can't scroll up. :P03:17
littlegreenmanok guys, help needed... I am obviously connected to the internet cause I am talking to you, but my internet is down anywhere else... firefox doesn't go anywhere, evolution doesn't fetch my POP email, and ping on the terminal does not work..... :(03:17
gloin_littlegreenman: how are you connected?03:17
eclipsegloin_, no :)03:17
Lathiatlittlegreenman: is this on separate machines?03:18
littlegreenmanno same machine03:18
gloin_eclipse: how did you start X?03:18
Lathiatthats odd03:18
gloin_littlegreenman: do you have a router in front of your computer?03:18
Lathiatdunno how you are ircing if you cant do anything else03:18
littlegreenmanyes gloin03:18
eclipseit's automatic03:18
ChibiFSkillall gdm03:18
gloin_Lathiat: I think his DNS server died03:18
littlegreenmani am using x-chat03:18
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gloin_littlegreenman: try this03:18
Lathiatlittlegreenman: ping on your terminal03:18
ogralittlegreenman: can you ping ip adresses03:18
littlegreenman64 bytes from icmp_seq=2 ttl=39 time=412 ms03:19
littlegreenmanyes i can03:19
gloin_littlegreenman: edit /etc/resolv.conf temporarily and add in the front "nameserver"03:19
usualanyone want a gmail invite?03:19
ograsudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf03:19
sirjackalotquestion: is there a good plugin for mozilla-firefox to play embedded avi's,mpgs and realplayer content? like from stupidvideos.com and so forth? i tried the mplayer-mozilla plugin but it doesn't do anything just sets there03:19
usualI got 6 new ones03:19
gloin_ogra: emacs owns gedit =P03:19
littlegreenmansec ogra03:19
ChibiFSOkay, I need to get out of here. This kernel isn't done yet. :/03:19
ChibiFSAnyone know of a good ncurses media player, by the way?03:20
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eclipseby the way, where is the dir that u install the cursors?03:20
gloin_there should be a vi VS emacs channel somewhere ogra03:20
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ogragloin_: i dont argue about that ;)03:21
gloin_no, because I'm right, ogra03:21
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thoreauputicogra, gloin_, http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/edistheeditor.txt03:22
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gloin_email dated 199103:23
gloin_=] 03:23
gloin_back when they used to say that EMACS stands for "Eight Megs And Constantly Swapping"03:24
cleeemacs. heh.03:24
gloin_'cause a hotrod box had 8M RAM lol03:24
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ograbonobo: pnp.mousemat03:25
cyrus-tcwhat do you think?03:25
eclipsewhere do i go to get gnome toaster?03:26
gloin_eclipse: you might be happier with k3b03:26
cleek3b RULES03:26
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suposIf a driver module was written for a 2.4 kernel, there are no chances of making it work in 2.6, right? (short of rewriting the thing of course)03:26
b_e_n_zeclipse, it is a bad cd burning program... still uses gtk (not gtk2)03:26
cleeand I'm not just saying that because I'm a KDE developer.03:26
ograbonobo: maxbuttons03:26
gloin_k3b is easier to use than pretty much anything for any OS I've found03:27
eclipsegloin_, but with k3b i can't burn ISO files03:27
gloin_clee: HUH?03:27
gloin_eclipse: yes you can03:27
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cleegloin_: ...03:27
b_e_n_zeclipse, nautilus can burn ISO... just right click on it03:27
cleegloin_: hi, I'm clee@kde.org, who are you? :)03:27
Lathiatsupos: drivers are portable, depending on the module, what it uses etc, with varying degrees of dificulty, alot has changed tho03:27
b_e_n_zeclipse, i mean right click on the ISO file03:27
eclipseok thnx03:27
gloin_eclipse: in k3b: tools menu, CD, burn CD Image03:28
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mojo_ I'm wondering whether the Font Viewer feature available in GNOME? I can view font using Ximian GNOME in NLD9.03:28
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gloin_opens a browse dialogue03:28
gloin_clee: I'm nobody special, just a KDE user from the 1.x days =] 03:28
ograbonobo: kde03:28
cleegloin_: :)03:28
bonoboK Desktop Environment03:28
eclipseanybody in here using ubuntu hoary?03:29
mojo_KDE is getting too stuff recently03:29
suposLathiat: It's a driver for an age old scanner. I've got the source, but before trying to compile it, I wanted to make sure it wasn't a hopeless project03:29
Lathiatsupos: you wont be able to directly compile it03:30
Lathiatsupos: there are quite a few changes, it wont be trivial03:31
ograbonobo: gnome03:32
bonoboGNU Network Object Model Environment03:32
suposLathiat: damn. I would have liked to make it work03:32
ograsupos: what kind of scanner ?03:32
Lathiatsupos: you could, just not that easily :)03:33
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suposogra: A hp scanjet 5p - probably 10-12 years old :)03:33
ograsupos: scsi ?03:33
suposogra: yeah03:33
suposogra: with an isa scsi controller and all :)03:34
ograoh, that gets hard03:34
suposogra: I've got the controller detected and set up, I think03:35
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littlegreenman:D finally!03:35
ograsupos: sounds good....dou you see it in the device manager ?03:36
ShadowHawkI'm working on Wine's installation script, and it uses su, but ubuntu doesn't play well with that.  I'd like to run sudo, but other systems don't play well with that.  Is there an environment variable that says whether a system has a root user?  That way, I could check it and then determine which one to run.03:36
suposogra: nope.03:37
ograsupos: the controller  ?03:37
suposogra: nope, not either03:37
LathiatShadowHawk: what it needs is distro detection03:37
suposogra: isapnp does find the controller though, and I've loaded the proper module03:38
LathiatShadowHawk: you can find out if a sysem is ubuntu by looking in /etc/lsb-release03:38
ShadowHawkLathiat: But aren't there other, non-ubuntu distros that get rid of the root user?  I'd like to not have to make a hack for each one.03:38
ograsupos: sudo modprobe sg ?03:39
LathiatShadowHawk: you dont have a hack, you have a list of checks for the dstribution, and afaik ubuntu is the only to do this so far03:39
LathiatShadowHawk: i mean you could check if the root user has a password, but you need to be root to do that :)03:40
ShadowHawkPerhaps there should be an addition to some standards base somewhere for distros like Ubuntu that don't have a root user, so I don't need to check for each one.03:40
ograsupos: man sane-hp says its supported :)03:40
suposogra: does nothing03:40
suposogra: I know03:40
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ograsupos: nothing in the device manager?03:41
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ShadowHawkLathiat: Can you help me with a shell command I can put in the script to check /etc/lsb-release?  The variables there aren't exported.03:43
suposogra: no, not in the device manager, but lsmod shows sg, scsi_mod and sym53c416 (the card module)03:43
LathiatShadowHawk: that doesnt matter03:44
suposogra: /var/log/messages shows: isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards...03:44
LathiatShadowHawk: http://lathiat.bur.st/ubuntu.shs03:44
suposogra: isapnp: Card 'SYM 53C416'03:44
ShadowHawkLathiat: broken link03:45
LathiatShadowHawk: try again (it was uploading)03:45
ograsupos: no devices while the driver is loaded ?03:46
ShadowHawkLathiat: Thanks.03:46
suposogra: nope03:46
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ograsupos: sudo modprobe scanner ?03:49
ograsupos: oh, and: ls /dev/sg* ?03:50
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mdzmojo_: applications, run application, fonts://03:52
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suposmodprobe scanner03:52
suposFATAL: Module scanner not found.03:52
suposogra: I've got /dev/sg003:53
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ograsupos: great..... cat /proc/scsi/scsi ?03:54
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suposwhat are the pasting rules in here?03:55
bob2more than ~5, try #flood or pastebin03:56
ograsupos: see topic03:56
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suposogra: see #flood03:59
ogralooks great03:59
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ograsupos: tried xsane ?04:00
suposogra: problem is this: http://www.kirchgessner.net/sanehpfaq.html numer 8.04:00
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suposogra: yeah, xsane says no available scanners04:00
chazwurthhey, can someone tell me how much hard drive space is needed for a 'default' install of ubuntu?04:01
bob21.2GB if you disable the archiv e copier04:01
chazwurthbob2: archive copier? what does that do?04:02
bob2it copies all the .debs off the cd to the hard drive04:02
bob2so they can (sometimes) be installed quicker04:02
chazwurthah, I see. thanks, I should have enough space then :)04:02
ograsupos: if its seen in /proc/scsi/scsi it should work.....04:04
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Gwildori HAVE NOT installed the fglrx ati drivers, i am now on hoary, and xorg, is it too late to install them, the how to's are for xfree04:07
bob2do they work with x.org at all?04:07
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gloin_Gwildor: they should be similar enough04:07
suposogra: Hey - it _is_ working, xsane just couldn't find it. I installed sane from universe and told it manually to us /dev/sg0 and it works!04:07
Lowryhi all04:07
Gwildorbo2, that is what i am asking04:07
gloin_fire-gl is a pain04:07
ograbob2: currently they still should04:07
Gwildorg;oin_, radeon 700004:08
ograsupos: ;)04:08
Gwildorgloin, radeon 700004:08
gloin_Gwildor: just use the default radeon module, you should be fine04:08
ograsupos: no need to compile in ubuntu04:08
suposogra: :)04:08
Gwildorgloin_, well my fps is a bit lower in xorg, just trying to fix it04:08
LowryLooking at http://geekounet.org/powerbook/driplusxv.html04:08
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gloin_Gwildor: it's hard to imagine anything BUT fps issues with a 7k04:09
LowryDid ppc users get the mach64 branch?04:09
Gwildorgloin_, well i was getting 4k+, now i getting around 2.5k04:09
Lathiatsupos: :)04:10
gloin_significant difference04:10
gloin_how about ingame?04:11
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Gwildoridk, havent tried any yet04:11
GFXstyLERhi again04:11
GwildorET is downloading atm04:11
gloin_speaking of which04:11
Gwildorgloin_, installin tuxracer to test atm04:11
GFXstyLERi have 2 problems04:12
GFXstyLER1. how can i change the text color of xchat? i cannot see anything when typing because the text is too bright04:12
suposnow I don't have to tell my parents that Linux couldn't make their scanner work, that would have been so humiliating, after I finally convinced them to switch to Linux from Windows :)04:12
ograGFXstyLER: look at the mirc colors option in the settings04:13
GFXstyLER2.i havent set a password to the root account, and i dont know how to login to root now :D very stupid of me04:13
GFXstyLERthx ogra04:13
ograGFXstyLER: foreground you wnt to change04:13
bob2GFXstyLER: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo04:14
bob2GFXstyLER: you don't need to login as root04:14
GFXstyLERfor the sources.list i have to login as root, otherwise i cannot edit it04:14
ograGFXstyLER: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SudoRoot04:14
ograbonobo: sudo04:15
Gwildoranyway to see my fps while playing tuxracer?, even if it is terminal output?04:15
suposogra: Now how should I set permissions on /dev/sg0 so that users can scan without sudoing?04:15
Lathiatsupos: you can add a ruel to udev04:15
GFXstyLER404 page does not exist ;)04:16
suposLathiat: udev04:16
Lathiatits what manages /dev04:16
Lathiatls -la /dev/sg04:16
ograsupos: look for the group sg0 is owned by04:16
Lathiatmigh tfind it has a group you can add users to or whatever04:16
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dopeyor sgid the application04:16
ogradopey: bah04:16
Lathiatdopey: ipv6 miniconf was rejected :(04:17
dopeyLathiat: ouch.04:17
Lathiatoh well be nice not to be running around and just attend as an attendee this year04:17
Lathiathopefully i can save up enough04:18
ograsupos: should be cdrom04:18
Lathiati doubt my papers will be accepted either04:18
Lathiatbut i kinda expected that04:18
Lathiathence me sayign it :)04:18
chazwurthhrm, so user accounts have sudo access to all commands on the system in ubuntu?04:18
leonelwhere can I get  a deb  or repository for   Firefox 1.0 for Ubuntu ?04:18
dopeyLathiat: why ?04:18
suposogra: disk04:18
Lathiatdopey: too many applications apparently, and i dont think they like me too much cus im not linux related enough04:18
ograsupos: sudo adduser supos disk04:18
nanotechi'm trying to complie some source and the output from ./configure states that i'm missing glib libraries; the package manager show that i have plenty of glib libraries installed (ie, libglib). What do i need to do?04:19
Lathiatdopey: not exactly a big figure in the community or anything, and at the time theyll be looking at it my project doesnt have a release (spent the last 2 weeks tackling linuxisms with multicast, gah)04:19
mdzchazwurth: no, only the initial user added during installation04:19
Lathiataltho my paper is more based around the howl project04:19
ograbonobo: sudo04:19
ograchazwurth: see this page04:19
Lathiatand how it works in general, why its cool, etc04:19
GFXstyLERbonobo the page is not existing :D04:20
bonoboGFXstyLER: Error: 'the' is not a valid command.04:20
dopeyLathiat: rough, mate.04:20
GFXstyLERhuh ? what?04:20
dopeyLathiat: on the other hand, more time for drinking :)\04:20
ograbonobo: sudo04:20
Lathiatdopey: i wont be legal but its never stopped me before :)04:20
nanotechanyone else running to my problem? has anyone else have this library installed? i don't see glib1.2.0 or higher on the package manager04:20
dopeyLathiat: 'cactly :)\04:20
Lathiatdopey: hel went on a pub crawl nearly 2 years ago when i was 14 with the LCA03 organisers :)04:20
Lathiatdopey: only got stopped at 1/7 places, a guy just said he was my father :)04:21
dopeywell, from what i recall, you are allowed various places with a guardian04:21
ograGFXstyLER: bonobo is a bot04:21
suposogra: done that, but still won't allow it. Will I need to log out and back in?04:21
Lathiatyour allowed anywhere usually04:21
Lathiatthere are some exceptions04:21
Lathiattheres a pub here my cousin works at that wouldnt let me in with my mother04:21
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Lathiata bit harsh...04:21
dopeyand if there are $lots of legal age, one person under is generally ignored04:21
ograsupos: try it04:21
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Lathiatdopey: yeh04:22
Gwildoranyway to see my fps while playing tuxracer?, even if it is terminal output?04:22
dopeybut then, the licencing laws are pretty odd04:22
Lathiatdopey: mmhmm04:22
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Lathiatman went to have dinner at a pub last night, restauant doesnt open saturday nights :( had to goto some dodgy asian place04:22
nanotechhas anyone been able to compile software with this distro?04:22
chazwurthokay, so is there an easy way to disable the first account's acces? is it just in /etc/sudoers, or does ubuntu do something different?04:22
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Lathiatchazwurth: just /etc/sudoers04:22
chazwurthLathiat: thanks04:23
dopeyedit it with the 'visudo' program04:23
ograchazwurth: will bring a lot of trouble with the config tools in gnome.....04:23
Lathiatdopey: mm i should remember that :)04:25
Lathiatdopey: so, ever done any multicast programming in linux? :004:25
chazwurthogra: that's allright. even if I decide to use those, I'd like to set things up such that the root password is prompted for rather than the user's. also, there are plenty of commands that would be available by default that have no gnome config tools.04:25
dopeyLathiat: so far, avoided it. closest i came was setting up ganglia04:25
Lathiatworks fine if you say i want all multicast traffic, as soon as you tell it what interface you want no traffic comes in anymore :( gah04:25
Lathiatand what i like, under ipv4 you tell it the IP of the interface, for ipv6 you tell it the interface index04:26
Lathiatgo consistency!04:26
Lathiatthis is so not going to be portable04:26
ograchazwurth: they all use gksudo, i heard your changes in the Computermenu get reverted04:26
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Ruffian|JANE|hey bob2, are you there?04:26
ograchazwurth: ...on next login04:27
chazwurthogra: hmm. I'll have to play around with it once I finally install ubuntu :) mostly, I just don't want the user account to have access to things like fdisk or mk[whatever] fs :)04:27
Lathiatchazwurth: They wont04:27
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Lathiatchazwurth: well, they can use mkfs, but it wont be much good on anything but a file04:27
Lathiatchazwurth: they cant write to system partitions, etc04:27
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ograchazwurth: they are only able to use the gnome tools or, if they know what sudo is use the command with sudo/passwd04:29
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chazwurthah, ok04:29
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ograchazwurth: and btw, only the first user got sudo access ;)04:29
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nanotechalso, i was wondering why during my apt-get upgrade that a few packages were held back04:30
Lathiatnanotech: you need to apt-get dist-upgrade, also if you have removed ubuntu-desktop (i.e. by installing totem-xine and other things), thatl also be part of it04:30
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chazwurthgotta run (finally done at work :) thanks for the information04:31
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nanotechi'm not following; when i installed totem, and xine (weren't these part of the package mamager) i removed the ubuntu desktop? what does this mean? the ubunutu desktop? link me to a doc plz04:32
zenwhenits a meta package that is of no real use and can be removed without harm04:34
nanotechthe ubuntu desktop?04:34
zenwhenthat package04:34
zenwhenit is not the ubuntu desktop04:34
nanotechi thought ubuntu installed the gnome desktop 2.804:35
zenwhenindeed it does04:35
nanotechare you telling me that ubuntu has it's own?04:35
zenwhenbut that is not what that package contains04:35
nanotechfully independant of gnome 2.8?04:35
zenwhenthat package contains some dependency info that is of no use04:35
zenwheni am speaking of that package04:35
wasabithis conversation is funny.04:35
wasabiubuntu-desktop is a PACKAGE04:35
stuNNedis 'ati' driver in xorg.conf same as 'radeon' driver?04:35
zenwhenhurts head04:35
wasabiPACKAGE. not "desktop".04:35
wasabiIt depends on everything that should be preinstalled.04:36
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wasabiIt is there to make it easier for the installer to install everything it should... it only installs "ubuntu-desktop", and everything else is pulled along.04:36
zenwhenmy head was gonna go atomic in a sec or two04:36
nanotechok, it's a package, and installing other software that may conflict with this removed it?04:37
zenwheni think that package should totally be hidden04:37
dopeyisnt 'ubuntu-desktop'04:37
dopeyisnt 'ubuntu-desktop' both a package and a task ?04:37
wasabiI think it's fine. Just deal with it.04:37
zenwheni think its a fine way of doing things but it confuses people.04:37
nanotechso when i install xine, and totem...i can't get mplayer in my apt-get calls?04:37
wasabipeople shouldn't be in synaptic dealing with packages directly imo04:38
wasabibut as of now, they are.04:38
wasabisomebody's got a Add/Remove type capplet in the works.04:38
zenwhenwhys that04:38
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wasabiVery simple. Lists nice names.04:38
wasabinot technical package and dependency info04:38
dopeynanotech: I believe mplayer has licencing problems/disputes, which currently restrict distribution04:38
zenwheni just popped into the debian unstable rpeos and grabbed it04:39
nanotechif you remove these functions from the distro, pwople can't learn how to use package management04:39
wasabinanotech, remove what?04:39
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nanotech"people shouldn't be in synaptic dealing with packages directly imo"04:39
wasabinanotech, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats04:39
wasabinanotech, never said remove anywhere in there.04:39
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nanotechthen clarify what you meant by that statement, if you could...why do you believe this? and what do you have planned on changing things for the furture04:41
wasabi*I* have nothing planned.04:41
nanotechao da04:41
nanotecher...so da04:41
wasabiANd I ment exactly what I said. General users should not be digging around in depedencies and apt-sources and the like, tracking down missing dependencys and resolving conflicts.04:42
nanotechok...would you mind letting the room in on why you feel that users should be in synaptic dealing with packages directly?04:42
LowrySo a mac os x update option?04:42
wasabiLowry, apt-get install update-manager upgrade-notifier04:43
wasabiTHere will be a nice friendly Add/Remove dialog.04:43
zenwhenwasabi, general users should be in synaptic breaking the hell out of their installs so they learn how not to do so04:44
wasabiWhere you select something like "Evolution Mail Client"04:44
nanotechwasabi, i felt that a major part of growing with your Linux box was breaking various dependencies and figuring out how to remedy the problems.04:44
zenwhenanyway... its not so easy to break your install04:44
zenwhenin synaptic04:44
nanotechi seriously love this shit, and want to learn more04:44
wasabiThen do so.04:44
wasabiMy mom has no want nor need to.04:44
zenwhenwasabi, is you mother in this channel?04:44
wasabiMy mother wouldn't be on IRC>04:45
wasabiBUt she is running ubuntu.04:45
zenwhenif so, is your mom nanotech?04:45
nanotechhell no.04:45
zenwhenbecause you sem to be telling him that he should youse his computer as your mother does.04:45
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zenwhentypo city04:45
wasabiDid I tell him anything?04:45
wasabiI don't remember doing so.04:45
zenwhen<wasabi> ANd I ment exactly what I said. General users should not be digging around in depedencies and apt-sources and the like, tracking down missing dependencys and resolving conflicts.04:46
zenwhenThen you were speaking of someone.04:46
wasabiYou consider him a general user?04:46
nanotechok...how can i complie source with this distro?04:46
zenwhenWhy should general users not actually learn linux?04:46
wasabinanotech, same as with any other distro. Specific question?04:46
zenwhennanotech, install build essential04:46
nanotechand install various packages not listed in the universe04:46
wasabizenwhen, because then they won't use it.04:46
LifesizeKenDollI'm trying out Fedora - and I have to say, I'm not fond of it compared to Ubuntu04:46
zenwhenwasabi, then they shouldnt use it04:46
nanotechwasabi, one sec04:46
nanotechlet me find the line i stated eairler in the room04:47
zenwhenLifesizeKenDoll, with good reason. It offers nothing over ubuntu but bloat.04:47
wasabizenwhen, I think you should read the About page on the web site.04:47
LifesizeKenDollUbuntu seemed to be a lot better integrated, simpler, better package management04:47
zenwhenwasabi, um... I dont see in there where it says that people shouldnt learn how to use linux.04:47
wasabiUbuntu is a Linux distribution that starts with the breadth of Debian and adds regular releases (every six months), a clear focus on the user and usability (it should "Just Work", TM)04:47
nanotech(12:19:07) nanotech: i'm trying to complie some source and the output from ./configure states that i'm missing glib libraries; the package manager show that i have plenty of glib libraries installed (ie, libglib). What do i need to do?04:47
LifesizeKenDollI am pro-Ubuntu04:47
zenwhenAre you assuming everyone but a select few is too stupid? Thats a pretty grim outlook on humanity.04:48
LifesizeKenDollI've been using it for about 2 weeks-ish04:48
wasabinanotech, you need the development headers.04:48
wasabinanotech, in packages postfixed with -dev04:48
wasabispecifcally, libglib2.0-dev04:48
Lathiatnanotech: apt-get install gnome-devel should get anything youd need for a gnome/glib/gtk program04:48
nanotechi believe that i have that installed...will double check04:48
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nanotechlathiat i'll do that04:48
suposLathiat: It works like a charm now---thanks for all the help04:49
nanotechi have libglib-dev2.0 installed04:49
nanotechpervious to the error04:49
Lathiatsupos: nps04:49
wasabiMy view of ubuntu, that I get by reading the web page, and having a general understanding of the software they are working on, is that a goal is to be usable by the masses.04:49
zenwhenI dont assume th masses are stupid.04:49
zenwhenThats where we differ.04:50
wasabiTHe vast majority of people do not use their computer to be taught something.04:50
LifesizeKenDollI can't believe I wasted 4 CD's *sigh*04:50
wasabiTHey use it to get a job done.04:50
LathiatLifesizeKenDoll: 4 cds on what?04:50
zenwhenHow hard is synaptic to use?04:50
wasabiYou know, browse the web, send email, write a document.04:50
wasabizenwhen, amazingly.04:50
LifesizeKenDollLathiat: I wanted to check out Fedora Core 304:50
zenwhenit requires a bare minimum of interaction.04:50
LifesizeKenDollLathiat: I miss my Ubuntu04:50
LathiatLifesizeKenDoll: heh04:50
wasabizenwhen, these vast majority I speak of double click on a .exe to install a program and have it walk them through it.04:50
wasabiStep by step.04:51
wasabiWithout any understanding of what is happening.04:51
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zenwhenSo in order for Linux to become useable by the masses, it must become Windows?04:51
nanotechthat spoonfeeding will be ubuntu's downfall04:51
Lowryburn - install - detect -work - like mac users have had for years04:51
nanotechpeople hate that shit04:51
wasabizenwhen, if I ment that, I would have said that.04:51
zenwhenThats a grim outlook on OSS.04:51
wasabiGrim outlook?04:51
nanotechand i can't stand working with people like that04:51
nanotechraise the bar for us a little04:52
wasabiThat we should try to cater to the population?04:52
zenwhenWell what you are speaking of would be moving Ubuntu towards being more and more Windows like.04:52
wasabiFooled me.04:52
wasabiI thought software was ment to be used.04:52
nanotechus=meaning that i've somehow taken the voice of these "masses" here04:52
wasabiI'm not going to compare it to anything else.04:52
zenwhenId just stop using it if they started hiding things like synaptic for fear that the "retarded lazy masses" might get confused.04:52
wasabiWindows or OS X or whatever.04:52
wasabiBut a focus is on usability.04:52
ogra_dogwalkbonobo: ubuntu04:53
bonoboUbuntu" is an ancient African word, meaning humanity to others . Ubuntu also means I am what I am because of who we all are . The Ubuntu Linux distribution brings the spirit of Ubuntu to the software world."04:53
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nanotechsurely windoze usebility models aren't the prime render for ubuntu's future...fucking ludicris04:53
LowryGetting work done on hardware you have - old or new04:53
LifesizeKenDollI heart my Ubuntu04:53
suposogra_dogwalk: It's working perfectly now--- thanks for all the help!04:53
mojo_Hi all ppl04:53
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mojo_I just pack all newest Industrial theme from NLD904:54
wasabiThis conversation is over. I won't have people putting words into my mouth.04:54
mojo_the file is 17MB04:54
mojo_I need a host04:54
mojo_anyone has one?04:54
ograsupos: youre welcome04:54
zenwhenI love Ubuntu the way it is. It doesnt need to be dumbed down. My complete computer newb cousin manages to use synaptic fine.04:54
suposogra: and now I'm off to bed, then it's the ancient isa sound card tomorrow :)04:54
zenwhenHe can barely use windows.04:54
wasabizenwhen, obviously you missed the part about GNome already being dumbed down.04:55
nanotechbonobo, i've read the desmond tutu text offered from the ubuntu site...there's no correlation between the FSF and the theology other than connanical's prime Mr. money bags lives in S. Africa04:55
bonobonanotech: Error: "i've" is not a valid command.04:55
ograsupos: id like to attend this one....04:55
ogrananotech: bonobo is our url bot04:55
nanotechand any other software philosophy04:55
zenwhenWasabi, it doesnt need to be dumbed down further. How about we disable right click?04:55
zenwhenDont want people getting confused.04:55
wasabizenwhen, read the GNome HIG.04:55
Qo-noSwasabi: that's what led to MS installs being so proned to virii/worm/trojan attacks along with the exploits i.e. dumbing down an OS to cater to one's perception of the "typically Stupid Joe/Mary Sixpack" allows for the germination of laziness and reliance on others to do what is really one's (i.e. the end-users' job i.e. basic housekeeping to securing one's install. User-Friendliness i.e. Dumbed-down user friendliness Vs Dilligence (mus04:56
Qo-noSt be equiiped with the KNOWLEDE i.e. POWER of KNOWLEDGE), I'll pick KNOWLEDGE/DILLIGENCE ;)04:56
wasabiPopup menus provide shortcuts to those menu items that are applicable only to the currently selected object. As such, they are sometimes known as "context menus" or "shortcut menus". A popup menu is shown when the user right-clicks on an object, or selects the object and presses Shift-F10.04:56
zenwhenI have. it didnt dsay anything about copying add/remove programs fom windows and hiding everything that reswmbles linux from the user.04:56
nanotechi agree qo-noS04:56
wasabiSince the user may not be aware of their presence, do not provide functions that are only accessible from popup menus unless you are confident that your target users will know how to use popup menus.04:56
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suposogra: yeah well, if you're hanging out in here tomorrow (or whatever time of day you have in about 6-7 hours) you just might04:57
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ograsupos: fine....04:57
ograsupos: think it will be a bit later though04:57
suposnight folks04:57
LifesizeKenDollOh blessed Human theme, how I missed thee in thy lack of craptacularness04:58
zenwhenwasabi, that doesnt point towards disabling right click.04:58
zenwhenThats common sense there in the HIG.04:58
wasabizenwhen, good. Because I never said to disable synaptic.04:58
wasabiI also never said remove.04:58
MoonSweepwan warty and hoary be mixed up like stable/testing/unstable in debian ?04:58
zenwhenI just think you give the "masses" too little credit.04:58
zenwhenThats all I am saying.04:59
wasabizenwhen, I work with the "masses" daily.04:59
ograMoonSweep: you shouldnt04:59
wasabiI am quite aware of them.04:59
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MoonSweepogra: why ?04:59
wasabiI work with people who LOOSE their taskbars.04:59
nanotechheh, wasabi's fucking greedy...he twists the perspectives of the gnome HIG, but never fesses up to the purposed inuendo he states.04:59
zenwhenAs am I.04:59
ograMoonSweep: rather hoary or warty04:59
zenwhenAnd I too work with them daily.04:59
MoonSweepis warty usable yet ?04:59
wasabizenwhen, so when XP had the ability to lock the taskbar, it was immediatly deployed across my company. :004:59
zenwhenMoonSweep, apparently not. You can still use the right mouse button.05:00
wasabiDoesn't mean the user can't unlock it. Just means he's not likely to do it accedently.05:00
ograMoonSweep: if you know how to fix breakages use hoary..... otherwise stick to warty and wait until april05:00
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zenwhenOk Im done with this. we dont see eye to eye.05:00
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zenwhenand wont05:01
wasabizenwhen, apt-get install gnome-app-install from hoary.05:01
MoonSweepogra: just some "breakages" like the ones in testing or unstable ? i think i can handle them :)05:01
bob2Ruffian|JANE|: ?05:01
zenwhenwasabi, Id rather not. Ive no use for it.05:01
wasabigood. see, you have that choice?05:01
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ograMoonSweep: nope maybe bigger, maybe smaller... i.e. all language strings get stripped in extra packages next...can break a lot05:02
mike_douglasWhen I run md5sum on /dev/dvd it ends with a input/output error. Does this mean my dvd drive has gone FUBAR?05:02
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GSA917does anyone here use ndiswrapper?05:03
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zenwhenyes but once the "masses" have the choice to never se the underpinnings of Linux, many new linux users will never dig under Gnome. I think it will hurt the community. Thats all I am saying. Unchallenged users become a liability, not a benifit.05:03
ograbonobo: ndiswrapper05:03
bonoboubuntu with ndiswrapper, see here: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/view?searchterm=network/interfaces05:03
MoonSweepogra: ok thanks05:03
ograGSA917: see what the bot said (bonobo)05:03
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GSA917yes, i know. i have an underlying question though. i need someone to compile ndiswrapper for me. in order to compile the file you need some updates, which requires an internet connection. so i cannot compile the file myself.. my only option is to find someone gracious enough to compile it for me, then put the compiled deb file to a disk so i can transfer it to my computer05:06
nanotechi fully agree with zenwhen; this goes totally against the ubuntu theology of community...one should have strong allies who'll help out withe their individual strengths when other can't necessarily call upon these strengths themselves,05:07
GSA917its like a never-ending loop. in order to have an internet connection i need ndiswrapper, and in order to compile ndiswrapper i need an internet connection05:07
ograGSA917: look at the website, you dont need to compile anything in ubuntu05:07
zenwhennanotech, exactly05:07
Ruffian|JANE|bob2, cant get my Mac to boot the OS 9.1 CD05:07
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Ruffian|JANE|I press C05:07
Ruffian|JANE|nothin happends05:08
nanotechwasabi, youre charecter seems to be very counterproductive, and detremental to ubuntu development05:08
nanotechi wish i could lend you a hand05:08
nanotechbut i'm such a noob05:08
nanotechall i've done so far is register bugs05:08
GSA917ogra: thanks i will check it out05:08
nanotechand hang out here05:08
zenwhenEventually those able to help will be so outnumbered in the community that quality help will not exist when you do manage to screw up your install. At least it wont exist for free. It goes completely against the ideas of OSS and community driven software development.05:08
ograGSA917: just get the package... on a floppy or so... to get it to your other pc05:09
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zenwhennanotech, you are the kind of new linux user that winds up being an asset. DOnt ever hesitate to ask for help.05:10
nanotechi am thankful fro ubuntu being a "door to linux" however, i want the flexibility to break things if i fuck shit up05:10
bob2Ruffian|JANE|: yes, it's an old world mac05:10
Ruffian|JANE|bob2, how do I get it to boot?05:10
zenwhenAnyway, I am cold.05:10
bob2Ruffian|JANE|: no idea, ask a mac os user05:11
GSA917ogra: once i get the package to a floppy, do i just double-click them to install them?05:11
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ograGSA917: nope....05:11
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GSA917ogra: i opologize for my lack of knowledge05:11
ograGSA917: copy it to your homedir and run im a terminal: sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb05:12
zenwhenGSA917, to install a .deb you .. oh well ogra is fast.05:12
wasabinanotech, nothing ever will limit that flexibility. After all it's open source.05:12
GSA917ogra: thanks for your patience.05:13
GSA917zenwhen: thanks05:13
nanotechi've ran apt-get install gnome-devel, and my ./configure is still displaying that i need glib1.2 or greater...05:13
ograzenwhen: i'm trained a bit ;)05:13
wasabinanotech, that's a gnome 1 program.05:13
wasabiyou need glib 1 to compile/use that.05:13
nanotechi also have the *dev packages installed from synaptic as well05:13
nanotechfor glib05:13
wasabiyou need the 1.2 packages.05:13
ogrananotech: what do you compile ?05:14
zenwhenogra, you are damn good at this being the channel ubuntu guru stuff. kudos05:14
nanotechso da05:14
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nanotechdoes libglib2.0 superceede the 1.2 packages?05:14
zenwhenI really like this channel. There lots of helpful people, lots of new people wiling to learn, and lots of people who totally disagree with me and are willing to have civil discussions of differences.05:15
zenwhenIm a slackware nut swimming in a sea of Debian.05:15
ogrananotech: they could reside together once.....05:15
ograzenwhen: didnt install yet ?05:16
zenwhenOh I did05:16
zenwhenAnd Have been using it for about a week and a half05:16
ograzenwhen: not fully convinced ?05:16
nanotechi have all the libglib 2.0 packages installed, why do i need to downgrade? or are these a diffrent family of packages?05:16
zenwhenits like... a vacation05:16
ogrananotech: this is a old world gtk 1.2 program05:17
zenwhenThats how I describe moving from Slack to ubuntu.05:17
ogrananotech: search for gtk1.2-dev05:17
ograzenwhen: hehe05:17
zenwhenThings just work. If they didnt I could fix them.05:17
zenwhenI keep wanting something to crap on itself so I can swing into savior mode.05:17
bob2nanotech: you want libgtk1.2-dev05:17
zenwhenI had to install a webcam the other day just to challenge myself05:18
zenwhenthen ubuntu had to go and make it work every time I booted05:18
nanotecharigato...this makes perfect sence05:18
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wasabiwhomever came up with the ubuntu login sound is a genious05:18
nanotechthe source i'm trying to compile and install is on an old tutorial site05:19
nanotechi disagree05:19
zenwhenIt makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.05:19
nanotechi find it anyoing05:19
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zenwhenI hated the little drumbeats at first.05:19
zenwhenBut then I got used to them.05:19
nanotechwe're talking about that cheesy african drum rool, right?05:19
wasabinanotech, you are compiling gtk1 code. Gnome 2 uses Gtk2.05:19
bigtonywhen i try to use like azureus to store content on another drive of mine it says permission denied. i did chmod 666 /media/winFat2  but it doesn't appear to effect anything :(05:19
wasabinanotech, gtk1 is on it's way to being dead.05:19
wasabibigtony, you need to mount the windows drive with the fmask and dmask options.05:20
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wasabibigtony, you need to mount the windows drive with the fmask and dmask options.05:20
nanotechunderstandable; like i said the source is snagged from an old "complie source for linux" site05:20
zenwhentoo bad gtk2 isnt quite as fast at rendering text05:20
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GSA917one other quick question..how can i download packages from ubuntu since i cannot use the package manager?05:20
bigtonycould you explain to me how to do that please?05:20
ograzne: but looks far better05:20
bob2nanotech: what are you building?05:20
bob2bigtony: mount it with the umask=002 option05:21
bigtonyok ill try05:21
zenwhenogra, I totally agree. Smooth and Industrial make me feel a bit funny down there.05:21
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bob2GSA917: why can't you use the package manager?05:21
nanotechbob2, the software is called "corewars"05:21
zenwhenBut its still a bit slower.05:22
nanotechi'll soon be compiling my box for more mulitimedia apps05:22
GSA917bob2: because i do not have an internet connection05:22
ograbob2: he needs to install ndiswrapper first....05:22
nanotechfor sound design and production05:22
bob2nanotech: ah, old school05:22
zenwhenI bet its worse dso for people without super fast systems. I should never say somehting is slow. I have no right.05:22
nanotechthere's a ton of software that's not available in the synaptic lists05:22
bob2nanotech: what multimedia programs aren't in Ubuntu?05:22
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bob2GSA917: um, ouch.05:23
ograbonobo: mplayer05:23
bonobomplayer on ubuntu: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats05:23
nanotechand i tried snagging from universe, but fucked this up...and really want to start learning how to compile since i feel that it's a needed linux trait to have in my tool kit05:23
GSA917ogra: so is there an ftp site or something05:23
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Agrajagnanotech: what's to learn05:23
bob2nanotech: what happened when you tried to get them from universe?05:24
Agrajagtar xvzf <package>.tar.gz05:24
Agrajagcd <package>05:24
bob2GSA917: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/05:24
nanotechbob2...there's quite a bit i'll be installing that not on the list, are you interested in any aspect inparticular?05:24
Agrajag./configure && make && sudo make install05:24
bob2GSA917: get the .deb and install with "dpkg -i foo.deb"05:24
bob2nanotech: yes, what isn't packaged that you want?05:24
zenwheni havent compiled anything but my kernel for a week05:25
zenwhenits like spring break in linux world05:25
nanotecheverything from c-sound development environments, to loop creation tools, to waveshapping, to mastering software05:25
bob2nanotech: which *exact* pieces of software05:25
nanotechi was hopeing you'd say that05:25
bigtonyin the fstab i have /dev/hdb5 /media/winFat2  vfat   ro,umask=002, fmask=0333  0 0 is that right?05:26
bob2bigtony: remove the space between, and fmask05:26
bob2but I'm not sure why you have fmask05:26
nanotechbob2, on a side note, i'd like to see silc a part of ubuntu's lists05:26
ograbigtony: ro ?05:26
bigtony<< a newbie05:27
bigtonydoen't know what he is doing05:27
ograbigtony: ro = read only05:27
bigtonyjust going by websites information trying to learn ;)05:27
ograbigtony: rw = read write05:27
bigtonyso put rw in there i assume05:27
Agrajagumask and fmask are kind of useless,  vfat can't really store permissions05:27
bob2it's rw by default05:27
bigtonylet me try05:27
bob2Agrajag: no, that's why umask is essential05:27
ograbigtony: and drop the fmask05:27
Agrajagis this for a desktop?05:28
bob2nanotech: silc the irc-ish protocol?05:28
Agrajagif som why any mask at all?05:28
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Agrajagif not, why vfat?05:28
bob2Agrajag: do you know what the umask option does?"05:28
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bigtonyok so its /dev/hdb5  /media/winFat2  vfat  umask=002 0 0 ?05:28
zenwhenAgrajag, have I seen you somewhere before? SA? #slackware?05:28
Agrajagdoesn't it just give you full permissions by default though?05:28
Agrajagzenwhen: what's an SA?05:28
bob2Agrajag: no05:29
ogra /dev/hdb5  /media/winFat2  vfat  rw,umask=002 0 005:29
zenwhenWas checking.05:29
bigtonyaww yeah forgot rw05:29
nanotechbob2, yes silc; the irc-ish protocol05:29
bob2nanotech: irssi supports it already05:29
bigtonyhow about on a ntfs drive?05:29
nanotechhere's a quick link to some of the interested software: http://linuxaudioblog.jawebada.de/software/recording-sequencing05:29
bigtonyand thanks by the way05:29
bigtonysame thing?05:29
bob2bigtony: you can't write to them from linux05:29
bob2bigtony: yes, ntfs instead of vfat05:29
Agrajagbob2: yes you can05:30
Agrajagwith captive05:30
bob2well, you can05:30
bob2but it needs captive-ntfs05:30
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nanotechi use this as a major refrence...now i need to hit sourceforge for the c-sound environments05:30
bob2which is not something anyoen can help with if it breaks05:30
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stuNNedwhat is captive-ntfs?05:30
bob2stuNNed: it loads the windows ntfs driver into the linux kernel05:30
stuNNedevilmegaman??? lol05:30
bigtonyso i take it leave it at what i have it as05:30
bob2ecaound is in universe05:30
bob2ardour is05:30
stuNNedbob2, but is very untested i take it05:31
bigtonyntfs ro,dmask=0222,fmask=0333 0 005:31
ograapt-cache search csound05:31
ogracecilia - graphic user interface for CSound05:31
ogracsound - powerful and versatile sound synthesis software05:31
ogracsound-doc - Documentation for Csound05:31
ogranyquist - a language for music composition and sound synthesis05:31
ograrosegarden4 - Music Editor and MIDI/Audio Sequencer05:31
evilmegamanWhy does the live cd work but when I try to use the regular install cd it says It can't find the cd drive >.<05:31
bob2stuNNed: how can it ever tested?05:31
bob2ogra: please don't paste so much05:31
evilmegamanI am in the live cd right now05:31
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ograbob2: sorry05:31
nanotechbob2; what's irrsi?05:31
bob2nanotech: an irc client that also does silc05:31
nanotechi did a search in synatic, and couldn't find it05:31
bob2evilmegaman: tried the usual noapic, acpi=off stuff?05:31
bob2perhaps not in warty05:32
bob2well, irssi is in warty with silc support05:32
Agrajagit's irssi not irrsi05:32
nanotechexcuse me05:32
evilmegamanbob2: can you explain? I am not noobie but more of a seminoob05:32
bigtonyok one last newbi question?05:33
nanotechso this is an irc client that has a silc plugin?05:33
bob2using the word "noob" makes people not want to help you05:33
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bigtonyi forget how to mount the drive in the terminal is there a website or something for noobs like me :(05:33
bob2nanotech: yes05:33
bob2bigtony: mount /mnt/whatever05:33
nanotechso is gaim, btw...05:33
bigtonyok ten nevermind i'm an expert :)05:33
Agrajagman mount05:33
bigtonythat better :)05:33
bob2(once you've edited fstab)05:33
bob2nanotech: so what more do you want?05:33
bigtonythanks again05:33
nanotechhowever, i recieve prob's with utiizing the silc protocol under gaim05:34
bob2nanotech: of all the software on that page, only xo wave and jack beat are not in ubuntu05:34
ograbigtony: with sudo in front......05:34
bob2nanotech: please file a bug05:34
dstateyou can use silky too05:34
dstateis a nice silc gui if you dont like gaim05:34
bigtonyok thanks trying now05:34
evilmegamanso what is the acpi thing? how should I use it and what is it?05:34
stuNNedwhat is silc?05:34
ograevilmegaman: its in the menu in the beginning05:34
bob2evilmegaman: boot the install cd with the option "noapic".  then the option "acpi=off"05:35
zenwhenwhats taters precious05:35
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bigtonysays its already mouned05:35
bob2stuNNed: a new protocol trying to be like irc but more secure05:35
bigtonyso i guess unmount /media/winFat2 ?05:35
evilmegaman:) thank you bob2 and ogra05:35
Agrajagumount, not unmount05:35
bob2bigtony: you're trying to change settings on an existing mounted partition?05:35
bigtonyjust so i can store stuff on it05:36
ograevilmegaman: i meant the menu on the livecd for install see bob205:36
bob2umount /media/blah, then mount again05:36
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evilmegamanoh ok05:36
nanotechbob2; "Wired" is not in synaptic05:36
nanotechit's not on that page05:36
nanotechbut it's formadable05:36
bob2is it Free?05:37
yohanneswhy cant i isssue a command: sudo export ......?05:37
yohannesanyone knows?05:37
nanotechshooooould be05:37
bob2yohannes: what are you trying to do?05:37
nanotechwill fidn out05:37
bob2nanotech: if it's Free, file a RFP bug on Debian (assuming no one else has)05:37
dopeyyohannes: export is a shell-builtin - sudo spawns a subshell, runs the command, then closes05:37
bob2or you can package itself05:37
GSA917bob2: ndiswrapper package is installed! now i need to install a linux-image- package. i tried looking under /L/ on that site you gave me but i could not find it05:37
yohannesi am trying to add java to my environ path05:38
bigtonydang thats crazy says drive is busy but i'm not using it :(05:38
dopeyyohannes: you shouldnt need sudo for that05:38
Agrajagbigtony: what directory are you in?05:38
bigtonyin my home dir05:38
bob2GSA917: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-
bob2bigtony: what does "lsof | grep /media/winFat2" print out?05:39
ograGSA917: better http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta/05:39
George_Dekadoes anyone know how to add items to the computer menu ?05:39
GSA917thankyou bob2 & ogra05:39
wasabidon't think you can05:39
bigtonytaes me back to the #05:39
yohannesthe thing is i am trying to install an app that i would like to put into /usr/local/bin but since the root does not have java path set to it, i cant do it05:39
bob2George_Deka: you can't05:39
Agrajagyohannes: just start a root shell05:40
Agrajagsudo su -05:40
bob2yohannes: export JAVAWHATEVER=blah, then run sudo whatever05:40
bob2Agrajag: you don't need to do that05:40
yohannesbob2: i did that already for myself, how can i set that path for the root?05:40
yohannesi tried sudo export... but it says the command is not recognized05:41
bob2yohannes: as dopey said, it's not a program05:41
crimsunyohannes: export JAVA_HOME in /etc/profile and also add $JAVA_HOME/bin to the beginning of $PATH05:41
Agrajagexport is a bash builtin05:41
bob2yohannes: set it in your ~/.bashrc05:41
yohanneswow i am lost to what you guys just said05:42
wasabiis /etc/profile sourced by the X session?05:42
bob2wasabi: no05:42
bob2yes, it sucks05:42
crimsunuse good ole login shells ;)05:42
wasabiGentoo has something they're doing for that.05:43
bob2yohannes: add "exporth WHATEVER=whatever" to /etc/bash.bashrc05:43
bob2that doesn't help at all05:43
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bob2there's /etc/environment already05:43
wasabithey are sourcing them from the X login05:43
ograyohannes: gedit ~/.bashrc05:43
bigtonyany idea how to get the drive unbusy ?05:43
bob2bigtony: paste exactly what you're running and the output to #flood05:44
Agrajagbigtony: find out what process has it locked05:44
Agrajaglsof is useful05:44
GSA917ogra: so "linux-image-" and "linux-image-686_2.6.8.1-13_i386.deb " are the same thing?05:44
bob2we did lsof already05:44
bob2GSA917: no05:44
bigtonyi use lsof it didn't d anything05:44
ograget the latter05:44
bob2GSA917: you want the one fro mthe dir I gave you05:44
wasabiHmm. I guess a amd64 kernel isn't installable with a 32 bit userspace?05:44
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ograbob2: thats the source05:45
bob2ogra: how sure are you?05:45
yohannesbob2: should i add the command to the EOF?05:45
elocalword on AMD64 ubuntu performance and package avaliability?05:45
bob2ogra: "apt-cqache show linux-image-686"05:45
bob2elocal: it has just about everything ppc and i386 have05:45
bob2yohannes: wherever05:45
bigtonyi assume there is a command to list the processes05:46
bob214:44:09           bob2 | bigtony: paste exactly what you're running and the output to #flood05:46
elocaldoes ubuntu support any debian AMD64 packages, or do they have to be compiled under ubuntu system?05:46
bob2from the mount command05:46
elocalbob2, nice05:46
ograbob2: will -16 comply with the ndiswrapper deps ?05:46
Agrajagps auxww for very verbose output05:46
bob2elocal: don't mix unless you know what you're doing and now how to fix it when you break it05:46
bob2ogra: don't know05:46
yohannesbob2: should i relogin for it to take effect?05:46
wasabiwhat about running a 64 bit kernel with a 32 bit userspac?05:46
bob2ogra: but you were pointing him at a empty meta package05:46
wasabiI notice the 64 bit kernels don't show up in my apt05:47
bigtonybob i undersand what you said i just don't know how to generate the process list05:47
bob2yohannes: no, restart your terminal05:47
elocalI will be trying it when I finish my AMD64 rig :D05:47
bob2bigtony: why do you want a process list?05:47
johnnybezakwhats the name of the gnome user admin tool?05:47
yohannesbob2: k thanks05:47
elocalbob2, tnx05:47
GSA917bob2: the most similar one i can find is "linux-image- "05:47
bigtonyyou just asked me what exactly i'm running and the output05:47
bob2bigtony: that's not what I said05:47
bob2bigtony: show me how you're trying to umount it and what it prints05:47
bigtonypaste exactly what your running and the output to flood05:47
bob2nevermind then05:48
GSA917bob2: was "nevermind then" referring to me or bigtony?05:48
ograbob2: youre right... i should get some sleep....05:48
wasabisomebody explain that05:49
wasabioh n/m got it05:49
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bob2GSA917: I dn't know what ndiswrapper depends on05:49
GSA917bob2: it says to install "linux-image-"05:49
bob2the one you found should work then05:50
GSA917alright, excellent. thanks.05:50
ograbob2: linux-image-* packages [default by installation]  do not include the needed ndiswrapper module.05:51
ograbob2: is this still true ?05:51
bob2ogra: I believe so05:51
ograbob2: the site is edited last  2004-10-0705:51
bob2I was under the impression that the module was in some other package05:51
ograbob2: i thought linux-image- was on the official cd05:52
GSA917bob2: so i still need this file or should i be installing something else?05:52
bob2GSA917: I don't know what you're trying to do, really05:52
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bob2just get ndis awrapper to work?05:52
bob2ogra: that is a good point05:52
Agrajaglinux-image doesn't include the modules anyway, does it?05:52
Lathiatim curious, does ndiswrapper suck performance wise?05:53
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crimsunAgrajag: sure it does.05:53
bob2it sucks evil-wise05:53
crimsunAgrajag: it doesn't include the restricted modules; those are in a separate package05:53
Lathiati was just curious if it sucked performance wise, like can you get 500k/s out of it?05:53
Agrajagi thought the image just had bzImage, and modules were in another package05:53
bob2Agrajag: no05:53
GSA917crap, so is this all useless? i am not allowed to buy a new wireless card and its either get this to work, or switch back to windowsXP05:53
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bob2GSA917: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.777315536305:54
bob2but seriously, it's not that hard to find wireless cards with useful linux support for next time05:54
Agrajagcisco aironets are great, assuming they still make them05:54
GSA917i am 16... :P. I got the wireless card from my dad05:54
ograbob2: hmm, i havent installed anything extra /lib/modules/
bob2that is pretty crackful05:56
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GSA917ogra: i have that folder too... so is i guess i have the ability to setup ndiswrapper now?05:59
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bob2GSA917: did you read that url?06:00
ograGSA917: the ndiswrapper-utils package should be enough....i think you should try the command: uname -a06:00
ograGSA917: to determine your kernel version06:00
GSA917bob2: yes, ive been following it up to this pt.06:01
GSA917ogra: ok06:01
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bob2you can go to step 4 now06:02
ograso just install the package06:02
lamont_ranybody know how to glue 100 .tif images into an mpg?06:02
lamont_rtrying various mencoder encantations on converted .jpgs, but that just gives a white screen in mplayer...06:02
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GSA917ogra: night06:04
GSA917thanks for your help06:04
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Gwildorcan i get OSS with XORG?06:07
bob2OSS is unrelated to your X server06:08
bob2ubuntu uses alsa almost exclusively, though06:08
Gwildori have oss ne ways, sorry, i just used to have oss and alsa, now i only have oss, and the volume control is different now06:09
Gwildori only have pcm, speaker, and in-gain06:09
bob2that's not a x.org issue06:09
bob2it might be related to the new version of gnome in hoary06:10
Gwildorjust assumed it was....sorry06:10
Gwildorbob2, that could be it06:10
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bob2nanotech: no need to /msg me06:18
GSA917bob2: i have done everything and now the "interfaces" section looks nothing like mine...i have no clue how i would go about changing it to look exactly like theirs.06:18
bob2make a new one06:19
bob2new section, not file06:19
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GSA917bob2: ok06:19
bob2nanhttp://freshmeat.net/projects/wired/, it's LGPL06:20
dstatethe website is down  thought for awhile now06:21
dstatebw limit06:21
wasabiIs there a way to make Gnome not startup on a second X display?06:22
GSA917bob2: it will not let me edit the file06:22
Gmailanyone know what happened to distrowatch.org its been died for a few days not06:23
bob2GSA917: you need to use sudo06:23
bob2Gmail: why don't you ask them?06:23
bob2wasabi: it wn't06:24
punkassis there a diff between .org and .com?06:24
bob2but it will start on both bits of a xinerama display06:24
bob2ideally, yes06:24
wasabino, it is.06:24
punkasscuz .com is working fine for me06:24
wasabiI have a dual head X. Xinerama disabled.06:24
wasabiAnd gnome is happily creating panels on the second head.06:24
bob2dual head then06:24
wasabiThe second head is a TV. I just play movies there.06:25
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wasabithe panels actually get in the way (since they stay on top)06:25
bob2mplayer -fs jumps on top of panels06:25
wasabi=/ still annoying06:26
GSA917bob: is there any way i can edit the interfaces file? like sudo /etc/network/interfaces?06:26
wasabiGSA917, with a text editor, exactly like that.06:26
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bob2GSA917: sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces06:27
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punkass sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces if you want a nice gui text editor06:27
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GSA917thx guys...linux is so confusing06:27
Gmailbob2: how there died06:27
punkassi alwasy use vi..but i know some my find that confusing06:28
bob2Gmail: ?06:28
wasabibob2, actually I am running mplayer with -fs06:28
wasabibut the panels still jump on top when mplayer looses focus06:28
wasabibecause I work on my primary display.06:28
billytwowillyIs there a way to install ubuntu onto a software raid 1 partition?06:29
bob2wasabi: ah06:29
wasabibillytwowilly, using what software to drive the raid?06:29
wasabiyou need a least one partition to load the kernel or initrd out of.06:30
billytwowillywasabi, linux. The software raid howto talks about how you can use software raid to boot from using the persistent superblock06:30
billytwowillyis the install setup to do this?06:30
MajesticWhat are the good things about Suse cmpared to other distros?06:31
wasabibillytwowilly, still have to load the kernel from someplace06:31
billytwowillyMajestic, wrong chan;)06:31
wasabithe persistant superblock only houses the raid configuration06:31
billytwowillywasabi, take a look at that page. It is possible to boot off of a software raid partition.06:31
wasabibillytwowilly, no, it's possible to mount a software raid partition as /. You still need to load the kernel out of something grub/lilo readable.06:32
bob2Majestic: #suse would be a better place to ask06:32
billytwowillywasabi, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-7.html#ss7.306:33
wasabiare you using raid 1?06:33
billytwowillyfor the boot partition I would be.06:33
wasabiokay, that's fine then.06:33
wasabishould handle it fine.06:34
wasabithe installer loads the raidtools at boot I believe.06:34
billytwowillyit would be setup like this: 2 * 120 gig drives and 2 * 160 gig drives. the 40 gig partitions (minus swap on both disks) would be raid 1'd06:34
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wasabiyou must however remember that that isn't AS failsafe as hard ware raid06:35
billytwowillywasabi, ok, I didn't see any obvious way to do it so that's why I'm asking. I'll have to take another look at the installer. I was hoping someone had done it before and there was a mini howto for ubuntu;)06:35
wasabiif the primary disk goes down, the system is unbootable without manual intervention06:35
wasabi(the bios will scan disks looking for a good drive, and neither will lilo)06:35
wasabis/will/will not/06:35
billytwowillyThat's fine. it's just a file server.06:36
wasabii've had such setups been bit by that during a power surge06:36
wasabiboom, drive fries, system reboots.06:36
wasabiand never comes back06:36
GSA917i have about given up u__u06:37
billytwowillyyah, but with the raid 1 I should just be able to throw in a new 120 or 160 gig drive, partition it properly and it'll get rebuilt right?06:37
bob2GSA917: why?06:37
genrmaybe use a ups from then on then, eh?06:37
GSA917linux is so damn hard, & nothing makes sense06:37
wasabibillytwowilly, yeah, the system will just be down until you do so.06:37
GSA917:P. ive been working since 1pm to get ethernet working, now it is 11:37 pm06:37
bob2GSA917: if you're using unsupported hardware, ti can be difficult, yes06:37
billytwowillyGSA917,  are you installing or are you in gnome and not liking it?06:37
wasabiI think he's playing with NDIS06:37
bob2GSA917: you're not getting ethernet working, you're configuring the kernel to load windows wireless drivers06:37
genrgsa, integrated?06:37
bob2billytwowilly: ndiswrapper06:38
billytwowillywasabi, That's fine and expected. I was really hoping someone had done this before though;)06:38
billytwowillyboo ndiswrapper.06:38
wasabibillytwowilly, never with ubuntu.06:38
wasabibillytwowilly, I did not that the ubuntu installer has software raid options06:38
billytwowillyoh well. there is probably a debian howto out there.06:38
bob2GSA917: if your card had a linux driver, you'd just boot and it would work06:38
GSA917ya :/06:38
wasabibillytwowilly, so I believe it is very possible the installer could do it all for you06:38
bob2billytwowilly: we gave him an ubuntu howto06:38
bob2wasabi: no06:38
genrgsa, just get a 10 dollar realtek based chipset nic(like a dlink)06:38
bob2the installer cannot include windows drivers06:38
wasabibob2, not talking about that.06:38
bob2and we cannot support ndiswrapper properly06:39
GSA917i took apart 3 other computers and they all had the same damn wireless cards XD06:39
billytwowillyheh. I'm confusing people;) I'll stop talking about my woes with ndiswrapper.06:39
bob2GSA917: where are you stuck?06:39
bob2GSA917: are you asure you have to use ndiswrapper for it?06:39
wasabii use a lovely orinoco06:39
wasabiworks like a champ06:39
GSA917bob2: trying to config the interface file06:39
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genryea i also have an orinoco06:39
wasabiGSA, what model is the card?06:40
genrsuper wide supported card06:40
GSA917WMP11 version 406:40
bob2GSA917: you don't know how to edit the file itself?06:40
bob2GSA917: or what to put there?06:40
billytwowillyexcept for the lame software radio turn on/off06:40
wasabithat should be fine.06:40
genryea thats linksys06:40
GSA917wasabi: correct06:40
wasabiit should be prism.06:40
wasabiI think that doens't require ndiswrapper.06:40
wasabiam i wrong?06:41
GSA917bob2: no, i know how to edit the file, it just keeps giving me errors when i do ifup wlan006:41
GSA917wasabi: it isn't prism, the old WMP11 is06:41
bob2GSA917: are you sure you need to use ndiswrapper?06:41
GSA917the new one is damn Broadcom based06:41
wasabii've never even touched ndiswrapper thank god.06:41
GSA917yeah. ew. :P06:41
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bob2GSA917: can you show us your interfaces file?06:42
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GSA917yeah, but it is long. how should i show it?06:42
billytwowillypastebin.com I think06:42
GSA917thx billytwowilly06:42
bob2or #flood, which is way less annoying06:43
wood1How do I receive Emails from Emacs ?06:43
billytwowillyheh. #ubuntu. all about choice06:43
bob2wood1: there are a few systems.  gnus is complicated but very powerful.06:43
wasabiim not touching the emacs question with a 10 foot pole.06:43
billytwowillywood1, evolution is pretty... emacs is ugly...06:43
billytwowillyor sylpheed06:43
bob2wow, such impartial advice guys06:44
wood1Yes evolution is goos06:44
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wood1But i want to setup my Emacs to receive mails too06:44
GSA917bob2: it will take a second, i have to put the file onto a floppy and send it over to the laptop. this is fun stuff06:44
bob2wood1: "receive emails"?06:44
bob2GSA917: hah, I bet06:44
wasabibob2, was impartiality required?06:44
bob2GSA917: the machine doesn't have an ethernet port?06:44
wood1sending mails from Emacs is easy but I can't receive emails from Emacs06:44
bob2wood1: you mean download via imap or pop?06:45
billytwowillyubuntu uses lilo right?06:45
wood1How do I set it in Emacs to receive incoming emails too?06:45
wood1Yes bob206:45
bob2wood1: you need to learn about gnus06:45
GSA917i dont have wires to connect, only a wireless router06:45
wasabigrub should be able to boot off of that too06:45
wasabiraid 1 should be readable just likea  normal partition06:46
wasabiunless it has some headers or something on it06:46
wood1Well is there any commands to setup a POP Account in Emacs using GNUS06:46
bob2wood1: it is not simple06:46
bob2wood1: http://my.gnus.org/06:46
bob2wood1: and then #emacs if you need more help06:46
bob2it's in the "gnus" package in ubuntu06:46
GSA917bob2: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4506:49
wood1Well I clicked on gnus but I can't set up a POP Account in Emacs06:49
kapputubonobo: kapputu06:49
bonobokapputu: always wants to know......06:49
kapputubonobo: bob206:49
bonobokapputu: Error: 'bob2' is not a valid command.06:49
kapputusome truth06:49
kapputubonobo: "invalid command"06:49
bonobokapputu: Error: 'invalid command' is not a valid command.06:49
bob2kapputu: enough06:49
bob2wood1: #emacs06:49
kapputuI'm sorry06:49
bob2GSA917: erm, that's nothing at all like the example I showed you06:50
GSA917i know06:50
dleon Deb. systems, the docroot is supposed to be owned by www-data, is that right?06:50
GSA917when i do the example u show me there is even more errors06:50
bob2dle: no06:50
bob2GSA917: well, delete all the stuff you added and start over06:51
GSA917bob2: that was the interface file w/o me touching it06:51
bob2that's not even close to working, whereas the example I showed will work with minor tweaking06:51
dlebob2, by whom then? :)06:51
bob2dle: root:root06:51
bob2dle: if it was owned by www-data then someone cracking apache can modify the website's it serves06:51
GSA917bob2: i pasted that so u could show me what needed to be changed in the example you showed me.06:52
bob2make a webmonkey group or something and add people to it06:52
GSA917bob2: cause that is one the system automatically made06:52
dlebob2, I'm used to it being 'nobody' on other distros.06:52
NewComeranyone knows if there's some bootsplash-ready kernel out there? not ready of compiling my own kernel06:52
bob2GSA917: read the url I gave you to begin with, that is completely wrong06:52
bob2GSA917: delete everything between "iface lo inet loopback" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp"06:53
bob2dle: the dir or the process?06:53
jdz`or just comment it out, for now :)06:53
GSA917bob2: i KNOW that it is completely wrong. but by showing you what it looked like before it would enable you to tell me what to fix06:53
bob2GSA917: the one you pasted is how it was after ubuntu installed?06:54
bob2something is very very very broken then06:54
bob2anyway, delete all those lines and open up the website in your browser again06:54
GSA917bob2: it was how it was after i added the ndiswrapper package06:54
wood1can anyone teach me some basic commands using:    dpkg06:55
bob2wood1: you don't need to use dpkg06:55
MoonSweepwood1: "man dpkg"06:55
bob2GSA917: ok, the ndis wrapper pacjage won't have editd, tho06:55
wood1Just a few very useful commands06:55
bob2if you need to use dpkg in warty, please file a bug on something06:55
wood1for example ?06:56
bob2-i and -r and -P are the only ones you might need to use, the manpage will tell you what they are06:56
GSA917bob2: really? i guess that means  i need to re-install ubuntu?06:56
wood1suppose I want to remove xmms from my system, how do I do that ?06:56
bob2GSA917: no06:56
bob2wood1: mark it for removal in synaptic, or aptitude or run "apt-get remove xmms"06:56
bob2GSA917: anyway06:57
GSA917bob2: i guess what i am getting at is that i dunno what the hell to edit in that url u gave me06:57
bob2GSA917: so why don't you say that?06:57
bob2GSA917: 15:53:03           bob2 | GSA917: delete everything between "iface lo inet loopback" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp"06:57
bob2do that, and tell me when you're done06:57
dle<bob2> dle: the dir or the process? || I meant, httpd runs as user 'nobody' on some other distros.06:58
wood1By the way, how do I run different Window Managers like fluxbox in Warty ?06:59
wood1How do I install fluxbox in the first place ?06:59
wood1Because my system is pretty old06:59
Agrajagapt-get install fluxbox06:59
bob2dle: right.  debian tries to run them under seperate users to reduce rthe effct of a compromise06:59
Agrajagit's probably in universe06:59
bob2it is06:59
GSA917bob2: completed.06:59
bob2GSA917: now, see the block starting with "auto wlan007:00
bob2what's the line after that?07:00
wood1So I have to add universe to install fluxbox ?07:00
bob2wood1: yes07:00
bob2well, you don't have to, but it's far easier than the alternative07:00
wood1I see07:01
GSA917bob2: if you are talking about the url you gave me the line after "auto wlan0" is "iface wlan0 inet dhcp"07:01
wood1thanks to bob2 and all the rest of you out there07:01
wood1Good bye from Nepal07:01
bob2GSA917: ok, cool07:02
bob2GSA917: now, copy those two lines to /etc/network/interfaces on the machine07:02
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GSA917bob2: done07:04
bob2now try "sudo ifup wlan0"07:04
GSA917a hella lot of errors07:05
bob2for example?07:05
GSA917Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A):07:05
GSA917wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device07:06
bob2have you loaded the ndiswrapper module?07:06
GSA917sit0: unknown hardware address type 77607:06
GSA917yes i have07:06
bob2what does "dmesg" say about it?07:06
GSA917what is the command i have to type in?07:06
GSA917woah that is a lot of lines, hang on lemme sort thru it07:07
lifelesstry sudo iwconfig07:07
GSA917lo  no wireless extensions, eth0  no wireless extensions,   sit0   no wireless extensions07:08
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bob2you did do all the other steps, right?07:11
bob2ie load the module, load the .inf file07:11
GSA917there were 3 inf files i had to load07:11
GSA917and when i try to load them again, it says "already loaded"07:12
bob2and the ndiswrapper module itself is loaded?07:12
GSA917when i type "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" nothing happens07:13
bob2what are the last few lines of the output of dmesg?07:14
GSA917so i assume it did something...cause if i type something like "sudo modprobe poop" it gives the error message: "FATAL: Module poop not found"07:15
GSA917how many lines do u want me to go?07:15
GSA917i gotta write each line 1 at a time, so dont type anything07:16
GSA917sda: write protect is off07:17
GSA917sda: mode sense: 0b 00 00 0007:17
GSA917sda: assuming drive cache: write through07:17
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GSA917[writing this so doesnt delete]  /dev/scsi/host6/bus0/target0/lun0: unknown partition table07:18
GSA917ndiswrapper version 0.10 loaded (preempt=yes,smp=no)07:18
joolzgood morning07:18
GSA917NET: registered protocol family 1707:19
joolztroubles here after apt-get update & upgrade07:19
joolzgaim won't do a lot of ptotocols07:19
GSA9175-2: USB disconnect, address 507:19
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joolzdoes anyone alse have this?07:19
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GSA917bob2: so, im guessing the line in question is "ndiswrapper version 0.10 loaded (preempt=yes,smp=no)"07:20
bob2well, it looks loaded07:21
farruinnthe ubuntu website says that oldworld macs aren't supported at all by ubuntu - would it be possible to boot from the cd via bootx?07:21
GSA917bob2: yeah... i dunno whats the problem. everything SEEMS fine07:21
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joolzoh, got it: apt-get -f install ; apt-get install gaim07:22
bob2farruinn: "not supported" as in "it may or may not work, but we can't fix it at this point"07:23
bob2farruinn: if you can get it installed, it should work fine07:23
farruinnok, well seeing as how I've already got the iso about half downloaded I'll test that out for ya ;-)07:25
GSA917*crosses fingers*07:25
farruinnwhen was ubuntu begun?  it doesn't really say on the website, yet it says that the first release is 4.10 Preview07:29
jdubfarruinn: the first people started around six months before 4.10 was released07:29
GSA917:(  i would love ubuntu forever if my network card & sound worked :(07:30
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nab_Can you tell me how to remove the window animation while minimizing?07:32
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GSA917bob2: thanks for your help & patience. i will try another day. goodnight07:34
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pdaousthey, question: does anyone know where to find a .config file that is identical to the configuration used to build the stock Ubuntu kernel?07:51
nessmukcan I get some help opening terminal? Desktop/mouse frozen after install.07:51
farruinnnessmuk, are virtual terminal's supported?  alt+ctrl+F1 etc?07:52
pdaoustnessmuk: in those situations, when control-alt-backspace and control-alt-F1 don't work, I usually try to find another computer and telnet into it myself07:52
nessmukfarr...yup, that worked.07:53
bob2pdaoust: /boot/07:53
pdaoustthanks, bob2!07:53
bob2pdaoust: but the ubuntu kernel source is very different to kernel.org's07:53
pdaoustI did install the ubuntu source package; would that make it okay?07:53
nessmukpdaoust....telnet also sounds cool. Gotta PPC here on the same router, but couldn't figure out how to set up AppleTalk during previous install (brok it removing Evolution/Office07:54
Agrajagwhy didn't they just enable config support so you could grab it out of /proc?07:54
bob2what's the point when it's in /boot/?07:54
pdaoustbob2: now you got me thinking... yeah, I do have linux-source-; that's just the stock kernel, right?07:55
bob2pdaoust: what are you trying to do?07:55
bob2it's the ubuntu kernel source07:55
nessmukthnx farr! 'nite....07:55
pdaousttrying to follow the LIRC installation instructions verbatim, and it tries to look for various header files in order to compile the kernel modules07:55
bob2you want linux-headers-$(uname -r)07:55
pdaoustbob2: coming from Gentoo where you'd 'roll your own' all the time, I'm not familiar with having a kernel image preinstalled :)07:56
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pdaoustwow, such a different world :)07:56
stuNNedpdaoust, :)07:57
bob2it's not considered improper07:57
Klownerat least it wasn't like redhat where it wouldn't boot with a vanilla kernel most of the time07:57
bob2just usually pointless07:57
pdaoustI'm just used to the hassle of rolling my own all the time :)07:57
pdaoustbob2: it's grabbing linux-headers- now07:57
stuNNedpdaoust, so you didn't use 'genkernel' in gentoo? ;)07:57
pdaouststuNNed: nope07:58
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pdaoustnever did bother07:58
nab_guys please.. i clicked on every menu i found, toggled every switch but i dont make it stop using those window animations. doesnt anyone have a plan?07:58
bob2nab_: google knew nothing?07:58
bob2wow, first hit07:58
nab_ah metacity, good word, thanks bob!07:59
Klowner:) not everyone knows that gnome uses metacity07:59
nab_i heard that before, but didnt think of it. i used "gnome windows animation" etc that lead to many pages without good infos08:00
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nab_damn, it seems there is no easy solution for it08:03
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punkassnab_: Gconf editor > apps > metacity > general08:06
punkassclick on Reduced Resources08:06
punkassthat will stop the minimizing effect08:07
nab_yes i found that already but to make animation stop i will have to use wireframe moving as well, and that sucks even more ;)08:07
punkassyeah was just going to say that08:07
nab_someone says the only solution is to compile a patch etc, thats too 1337 for me :\08:07
bob2you could just stop minimising08:08
bob2I have ten virtual desktops and never minimise anything08:08
punkassits funny i have never caught on to virtual desktops08:09
punkassi run dual monitors maybe that is why08:09
pdaoustokay, my head is swimming...08:09
punkassthey make sense tho...maybe just have to forcemy myself to get used to them08:09
pdaoustnobody's had any experience compiling and installing kernel modules (especially LIRC, have they?)08:09
pdaoustwhoa, that was a grammatical mess08:10
nab_by the way, my Totem player refuses to play mp3, and i would like to see why. is remember there is a special console command that lets you see internal (debug) information of the process when started from the console08:11
bob2you need to read the FAQ08:11
pdaoustnab_: are you using a default install?08:11
bob2then install gstreamer0.8-mad08:11
pdaoustnab_: in order to install that, you'll have to turn on the 'restricted' repository08:12
nab_ah yes i remember that from faq, i installed it and installed several other mpg related things from synaptic, but still no success08:12
punkassive had the same problem with rhythbox and i have gstreamer0.8-mad installed08:12
bob2it should work08:12
nab_totem doesnt play mp3 and doesnt play my funny videos which are .mpg08:12
pdaoustpunkass: now that's just weird -- any error messages?08:12
bob2and has for lots of people08:12
bob2gstreamer0.8-mad is not in restricted08:12
pdaoustis it in universe then?08:12
|trey|pdaoust: yes08:13
pdaoust(I installed it; forgot where I installed it from)08:13
punkassomg it just started working...that is bizarre08:13
pdaoustdon't you just love computers?08:13
pdaoustthey tell us computers don't think for themselves... but I know the truth08:14
pdaoustthey're sentient08:14
nab_thats why i wanted to see the debug innfos. there is that dmesg command that lets you see the output of some commands after execution. maybe there is one for normal apps and their output as well? i could see what totem requires to work08:14
pdaoustwell, I'm going to forget about this LIRC crap for tonight; I was so happy 'cuz I've just finished soldering my own homebrew receiver, but I don't know how on earth to compile modules and all that jazz.08:14
pdaoustnab_: some programs will log their stuff to /var/log/messages08:15
bob2nab_: dmesg is for kernel notes08:15
bob2nab_: run totem from a terminal and you can see it's output08:15
nab_ok i will look at that folder, thanks08:15
bob2pdaoust: you should just have to install kernel-package, lircs-modules-source (or whatever) and headers, then you're right08:15
bob2totem will not have printed anything to /var/log/messages08:16
pdaoustnab_: actually, it's a file -- if you go 'tail -f /var/log/messages' it'll give you a play-by-play of additions to the log08:16
pdaoustbob2: didn't think so, but tail -f /var/log/messages is always a great command to know ^_^08:16
nab_bob2, i already did that but its output isnt informative. btw totem just crashed. i think it doesnt find my output device..08:16
pdaoustbob2: so I don't necessarily have to compile anything?08:16
nab_okay thats a good topic, my soundcard :)08:17
bob2nab_: does sound work in general?08:17
bob2pdaoust: you do need to compile stuff, but only the modules08:17
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pdaousthello, Alberta08:17
nab_yes my sound works, BUT i have to chose if i wanna hear mp3/avi-audio OR if i wanna hear sounds from my tvcard (LINE-IN)08:17
nab_everytime i have to go to alsamixer and manually select the output (PCC-OUT or HW-1) for line-in or normal08:18
nab_that is very frustrating08:18
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pdaoustnab_: that is incredibly frustrating08:20
nab_yes, do you have the same problem?08:20
bob2you can blacklist the tv card module08:20
pdaoustnab_: no, but I can imagine it would drive you crazy (not wealthy enough to own things like TV tuners -- that's why I solder my own circuits ^_^)08:20
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nab_bob2, blacklist the tv card module? wouldnt that stop tv-card audio (line-in) working?08:24
bob2it's a bad solution indeed08:24
nab_but is that normal? i mean thats a bit weird, isnt it?08:25
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nab_is that only my soundcard/tvcard combo or is that a common problem?08:25
alka_trashdamn it, I borked my computer08:25
bob2it only affects people with multiple sound cards08:26
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alka_trashI have deiced that I'm just going to rebuild it and it's going to better this time, really08:26
nab_hmm.. i do have two soundcards, one internal (onboard) and an expensive pci one. but the onboard is deactivated by bios08:26
bob2the tv card acts like a sound card in this case08:27
nab_i see..08:27
nab_maybe the tvtime programm allows sounddevice as parameter so i could select the right one, what do you think08:28
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=== wfx good morning...
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yohannesanyone can recommend a dvd/cd burning app?08:34
Lathiatyohannes: To do what08:34
bob2for data? nautilus08:34
yohannesto backup music/data/etc08:35
Lathiatuse the nautilus cd creator08:35
yohannesany1 uses gnomebaker b4?08:35
netmonkyohannes, just installed it, haven't tryed it yet ;)08:35
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ik5pvxdirei che il doppio spegnimento era stato solo una coicidenza08:39
ik5pvxsolita sfiga08:39
bob2this is a english channel...08:39
bob2try #ubuntu-it08:40
bob2if it exists08:40
ik5pvxargh ... wrong channel obviously08:40
bob2no problem08:40
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yohannesnetmonk: did u get the readcd /*required by GB*/?08:40
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yohannesi find cdrecord, cdda2wav and mkisofs installed in my box, but readcd seems to be not available on synaptic08:41
bob2it's in the cdrecord package08:43
wfxhmmm muine use gstreamer, right?08:47
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Lathiatwfx: i have no idea, but i havent heard of any gstreamer c# bindings so i doubt it08:49
wfxLathiat, hmmm maybe my version does it not08:50
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yohannesis libgnomeui and libgnomeuimm the same?08:53
Lathiatyohannes: libgnomeuimm is the C++ bindings for libgnomeui08:53
Lathiat*mm are the C++ bindings08:53
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yohanneslathiat--> trying to install an app that requires libgnomeui-2.008:53
Lathiatyohannes: so apt-get install gnome-devel08:54
bob2what app?08:54
yohannesduring configure, it says libgnomeui is not present08:55
yohanneschecking on synaptic, libgnomeui-0 and libgnomeui-common are the only one installed08:55
bob2do you have to install libgnomeui-dev08:55
bob2if you're compiling anything, you need corresponding -dev packages08:55
yohannesi dont think so08:55
bob2erm, s/^do //08:56
yohannesdoes gnome-devel contains libgnomeui?08:56
bob2don't know, but you definitely need libgnomeui-dev08:56
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yohannesgosh it's so difficult to install an app08:58
Lathiatyes it does08:58
Lathiatso install gnome-devel and youll be right08:58
Lathiataltho it might need some other weird libraries, who knows08:58
yohannesu need all the library and stuffs like that just to install08:58
Lathiatread the README it probably tells you08:58
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Lathiatyohannes: if you want to compile something, eys08:58
yohannesapt-rep does not have gnomebaker as of yet, otherwise it's easy08:59
yohannesalso installing gnome-devel requires installing mozilla. how can i exclude mozilla from being installed automatically?08:59
Lathiatyou dont09:00
yohannesi mean in synaptic?09:00
Lathiatyou can go and try and install all the bits and pieces yourself09:00
Lathiatbut have fun09:00
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yohannesthere are so many things to learn in linux09:00
Lathiathey bdale :)09:01
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bob2yohannes: well, life is far easier if you use packaged software09:01
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JDahlalthough autoconf has made building from source easier... you dont to be a wizard to build big apps anymore09:03
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bdaleLathiat: howdy09:06
Lathiatbdale: how goes it09:06
wfxhttp://bashburn.sourceforge.net/ is also one opton09:06
bdaleLathiat: tired, frustrated with cdrecord vs 2.6.9, etc09:06
Lathiatbdale: yay :(09:06
Lathiatbdale: whats up with cdrecord?09:07
yohannescant imagine newbie like me installing gentoo09:07
wfxor this one http://alx14.free.fr/burncenter/09:07
danielsLathiat: jrg schilling writes it09:07
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Lathiatgod damnit i cleaned out my homedir today09:09
Lathiatits already a mess09:09
calclibburn is the future! :)09:13
calccdrecord will go the way of xfree8609:13
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LathiatAnyone know how to remove an archive in arch/tla09:14
danielsrm -rf09:14
Lathiatare you serious?09:14
bob2you don't delete them, generally09:14
Lathiatwell, i want to09:14
bob2especially if other people have branched from you09:14
Lathiatit was an error09:14
bob2then rm09:14
bob2after you deregister it09:15
Lathiatlike not so much out of my \{archives\}09:15
Lathiat it isnt there09:15
bob2"tla register-archive -d blah@blah"09:15
Lathiatthats the amgic i was looking for09:15
Lathiati was lookign for archive-delete or delete-archive or something :)09:15
Lathiatthanks bob209:15
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stuNNedhiyas tatude09:44
tatudehey, can you tell me where i can change the language in ubuntu?09:45
stuNNedtatude, i think this is how you do it, one sec09:45
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stuNNedi could be wrong though09:45
tatudei'm using finnish language and few of the words are actually in swedish :DD09:45
jdubtatude: dpkg-reconfigure locales09:46
jdubtatude: select the ones you want09:46
jdubtatude: then in gdm, you can choose your desktop session language09:46
stuNNedtatude, what jdub said was what i was looking up :)09:46
tatudek :)09:46
tatudeman, this channel rules!09:47
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tatudedoes that change the language for keyboard mapping also?09:51
tatudei would like to have finnish keymap though...09:51
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ATJtatude: I also did that failure that I choosed finnish as default languge for system.. I did deconfigure locales but still many programs are in swedish. :/09:52
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tatudeATJ, and that's something we don't like!09:53
ATJtatude: Very true :D09:53
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kokisGuys plz some help i cant compile my kernel i always get kernel panic fs09:54
wfxbonobo, jang09:54
bonobowfx: Error: 'jang' is not a valid command.09:54
wfxbonobo, lang09:54
bonobodpkg-reconfigure locales and select the ones you want09:54
stuNNedkokis, why do you need to recompile your kernel?09:55
tatudeATJ, do you have a finnish keymap and english language at the moment?09:55
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kokisstuNNed: i really need a custom one09:55
stuNNedkokis, special driver or?09:55
kokisstuNNed: drivers customization of cpu memories and more09:56
Ruffian|JANE|bob2 is awesome!09:56
ATJtatude: Umm.. basicly yes, but some programs are still in finnish/english.. But keymap does work right.09:56
kokisstuNNed: is there any hope to get it working?09:56
tatudeok, have to take a closer look09:56
ATJYeah. :)09:56
ATJMut igg ->09:56
tatudeoh, and another question: can you enable tv-out somewhere?09:57
stuNNedkokis, i choose not to compile a custom kernel in ubuntu, or haven't needed to yet at least, sorry.09:57
kokisAnybody else can help me compile a kernel in ubuntu?09:58
kokisplz guys its an emergency!09:59
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bob2chill dude09:59
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bob2why do you want to compile a kernel?09:59
kokisbob2: look a bit uper09:59
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bob2kokis: I'm not sure what "drivers customization of cpu memories " means10:00
tatudetv-out, enable, where? :)10:00
cleeso. I use Gossip, right. for Jabber.10:00
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bob2right. on.10:00
kokisbob2: ok just forget it and try help me compiling it plz!10:00
cleeand the fact that it doesn't save the window size properly on close annoys me.10:00
bob2kokis: why?10:00
kokisbob2: why what?10:00
cleeso... I dug around a bit10:00
cleeand came up with ...10:01
bob2kokis: why do you want to build a new kernel, urgently?10:01
cleesent it to Imendio from my @kde.org email10:01
cleewe'll see if they accept it10:01
kokisbob2: i got many to change on the config10:01
bob2clee: haha10:01
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kokisbob2: high memory support hyper-threading10:02
kokisi wanna install also a driver of a modem10:02
kokisand more.10:02
bob2the ubuntu kernels include just about all known Free drivers in the universe10:02
cleebob2: so, yeah, tonight has been fun10:02
bob2are you sure it's not supported already10:02
kokisbob2: np its a winmodem but got its non-free drivers10:03
bob2clee: I'm still waiting for daniels to get @gnome.org on his key10:03
kokisbob2: i really need it10:03
cleebob2: dude, I want to beat him to it10:03
cleebob2: because he's also got an @kde.org and an @fd.o10:03
kokisbob2: so have u ever tried it succesfully?10:03
stuNNedkokis, all of those things can be done w/out compiling a new kernel, afaik, you need to install build-essential for one10:03
cleeso now the race is on10:03
bob2kokis: you can build the modemo module for your existing kernel10:04
kokisbob2: np getting errors10:04
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bob2kokis: install build-essential, kernel-package and linux-headers-$(uname -r)10:04
Ruffian|JANE|hey bob2, you are prolly my favorite Ubuntu guru10:04
Ruffian|JANE|just thought ide let you know10:04
kokisbob2: i also dont have net there10:04
bob2clee: once he is part of those 3 pillars of the FS movement, it's all over10:04
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kokisi first must intall the kernel and then can connect10:04
cleebob2: I know. This is why I must beat him.10:04
bob2floods. plagues, etc10:04
kokisjust dont search for other ways i need it customed10:05
kokisis there any hope?10:05
bob2you really don't10:05
cleekokis: you do not need to compile custom10:05
cleekokis: seriously10:05
bob2if you want to buidl your own for no real reason, read http://newbiedoc.sf.net/10:05
cleeit's NOT necessary10:05
kokisi really cant understand why i get fs panic10:06
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nab_Does anyone in here have a snd1724 soundchip running?10:09
kokisis it possible just make the config and with a tool like make-kpkg do all it needs?10:11
nab_oops yeah i mean ice172410:13
crimsunkokis: certainly, that's normally the Debian method10:13
crimsun(and thus the Ubuntu method)10:13
holycow<Ruffian|JANE|> hey bob2, you are prolly my favorite Ubuntu guru <-- rofl10:13
holycowbob's awfully quiet in #debian however >_>10:13
Ruffian|JANE|took you long enough to pic up on that10:13
Ruffian|JANE|I hate #debian10:13
Ruffian|JANE|i got banned10:13
kokiscrimsun: ok ill do it throw chroot10:13
Ruffian|JANE|cuz they wouldnt help10:13
kokisof another machine10:14
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kokisi cd to kernelsources make the config and then make-kpkg kernelname?10:14
blatchis there an official ubuntu ppc chanel?10:14
dopeyRuffian|JANE|, i'm sure there is more to it than that.10:14
holycowRuffian|JANE|, you really gotta do something incredible to get banned from #debian10:14
kokiscrimsun: the question was for u? is the way right?10:14
Ruffian|JANE|ya, I cussed them out10:14
holycowseriously :)10:15
crimsunblatch: no, but this is the official Ubuntu users channel10:15
holycowlike you REALLY REALLY heveto want to get banned for example :)10:15
Ruffian|JANE|they were just making imature jokes instead of helping so I cussed em out and got banned10:15
nab_crimsun, youre running the ice1724?10:15
blatchwell, does anyone have any idea how to get mac-fdisk to read images that are larger than 2gb?10:15
crimsunnab_: no, snd-usb-audio (M-Audio Transit USB)10:15
nab_you should update to it ;)10:15
holycowehe, i'm getting 363k download via bittorrent on ubuntu live cd10:16
holycowis there an install script for ubuntu from live cd?10:16
crimsunnab_: my M-Audio does 24-bit @ 96 kHz just fine, thanks ;)10:16
nab_envy24ht does 190khz :P10:16
crimsunis the envy card credit card-sized?10:17
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Ruffian|JANE|My super fast 50Hz processor!10:17
crimsunkokis: essentially.10:17
nab_damnit.. all mixers i tried give alien looking sliders, like ADC and DAC, but none says LineIn etc10:18
crimsunnab_: read the alsa wiki. http://alsa.opensrc.org10:18
nab_hehe no its pci card sized, 1:1 ;)10:18
nab_ill have a look, thx10:18
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johaHi all!10:27
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TycheHello everyone.10:28
johaHow do I install the printer drivers from ftp://download.canon.jp/pub/driver/bj/linux/ in Ubuntu? I converted them to .debs and installed those, but there are no additional drivers showing up in the "Add Printer" dialog :-/10:28
TycheI'm new to Ubuntu and still learning...but is Ubuntu good enough to be my web server?10:28
johaTyche: of course it is.10:29
jkTyche: at least as good as other linux distro's10:29
Tychejoha: Okay, great. I wasn't sure if it was more just made to be a desktop client10:29
johaTyche: well it is. But that only means that you'll have to install the server software.10:30
TycheJoha: That isn't a problem.10:30
johaGood :)10:30
TycheI installed Webadmin, anyone know how to get to the admin console for that?10:30
bob2Ruffian|JANE|: you weren't banned "cuz they wouldnt help"10:31
bob2holycow: I currently know a lot more about ubuntu than debian, unfortunately10:31
Ruffian|JANE|bob2, they wouldnt help, they just cracked on me cuz i was a newb, so i cussed them out10:31
bob2I really doubt that10:31
Riddellclee: morning10:32
Ruffian|JANE|bob2, why you always dissin dog?  I respsect you! your a good guru, just quit the diss10:32
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holycowah, now i know why you got banned :P10:33
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johaThere's nobody in here who would call him or herself a guru, Ruffian|JANE|10:33
bob2I'm not dissing anyone, I'm just saying that you weren't banned "cuz they wouldnt help", you were banned because you were obnoxious10:33
Ruffian|JANE|they were obnoxious, i just cussed them out for it10:33
johaAaah okay! Solved my printer problem.10:33
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holycowno, i would ban you just for " why you always dissin dog?"10:34
holycowwhat are you, from the 'hood'?10:34
holycowjesus :)10:34
bob2holycow: chill10:34
cenerentolahi there...10:35
Ruffian|JANE|hello cenerentola10:35
cenerentolaive got some probs with the wifi interface10:35
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cenerentolai cant connect10:35
Ruffian|JANE|ya, we get that alot in Linux10:36
cenerentolaand even if i used ndis wrapper... the network card is recognized as eth1 and not wlan010:36
bob2cenerentola: that's not a problem10:36
bob2and if it has proper drivers, use them instead of ndiswrapper10:36
yohannesi forgot to ask this q. does anyone able to completely shutdown your box?10:37
cenerentolaIntel PRO/Wireless 210010:37
bob2yohannes: does it stop at "power down"?10:37
Lathiatcenerentola: http://ipw2100.sf.net10:37
bob2cenerentola: ubuntu includes those drivers, it's fine for it to show up as eth110:37
cenerentolathere are ipw2100 built in..10:37
Lathiatoh ok10:37
yohannesbob2: it says shutting everything down on the screen. that;s it10:37
cenerentolayep but if i use ipw210010:38
cenerentolatheres no signal10:38
bob2are you sure there is a signal?10:38
cenerentolayes now is 100%10:38
yohannesbut i have to "manually" press n hold the switch to shut it completely10:38
bob2yohannes: how old is the machine?10:38
yohannesbob2: quite old. P3 55010:39
bob2yohannes: "modprobe apm", then try shutting down10:39
yohannessomething to do w/ my acpi?10:39
bob2it should power off10:39
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aadis_fuhello folks10:39
cenerentolaok... bob2, lathiat, if ull assist me ill unistall ndisw/ and setup the old ipw...10:39
aadis_fuhow is the xorg in hoary?10:39
Ruffian|JANE|buggy :-p10:40
yohannesbob2: automatically? is it a command i should issue?10:40
aadis_fuRuffian|JANE|: c'mon ;)10:40
blatchdoes anyone have bluetooth working?10:40
bob2blatch: yes10:40
blatchusing the jdub repository?10:40
yohannesbob2: i mean issue on the terminal?10:40
bob2yohannes: you just need to have that module loaded10:40
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bob2yohannes: yes10:40
aadis_fui thought xorg was pretty stable10:40
bob2yohannes: sudo modprobe apm10:40
bob2aadis_fu: it's fine, ignore Ruffian|JANE|10:40
aadis_fusince it was forked from xfree 4.410:40
blatchi can't apt-get install gnome-bluetooth from jdub's repository!10:40
aadis_fubob2: ah, ok, thanx10:40
bob2aadis_fu: it was not forked from 4.410:40
Ruffian|JANE|aadis_fu, I was actually being sarcastic10:40
bob2blatch: can you be more vague?10:40
Ruffian|JANE|aadis_fu, meening its great10:40
bob2blatch: or paste the error from apt to #flood10:41
aadis_fuRuffian|JANE|: cool :)10:41
bob2cenerentola: just don't load the ndiswrapper module anymore10:41
blatchbob2, it's simple: E: Couldn't find package gnome-bluetooth10:41
Ruffian|JANE|aadis_fu, bob2 is always giving me a hard time :-(10:41
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bob2Ruffian|JANE|: I'm not giving you a hard time10:41
dopeyblatch: are you sure that repository includes that package?10:41
cenerentolanow rmmod or reboot?10:41
Ruffian|JANE|bob2, im suring having one though10:41
aadis_fuRuffian|JANE|: hmmm. cool :)10:41
blatchdopey, yes. if you browse to http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/warty it's right there.10:42
yohannesbob2: should i issue that command all the time i wanna shut down or only once?10:42
blatchbob2, did you use jdub's repository?10:42
aadis_fuwhich is the transparency manager? xcompmgr?10:42
bob2blatch: did you add the right sources.list line and run apt-get update?10:42
bob2aadis_fu: yes10:42
blatchbob2, yes.10:42
bob2yohannes: just try it once, please10:42
bob2blatch: well, it's there, you must have used the wrong sources.list line10:42
bob2Ruffian|JANE|: ok...10:43
blatchdeb http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/warty/ ./10:43
blatchis that not the right line?10:43
bob2warty not warty/10:43
Ruffian|JANE|bob2, you are allways dissin me10:43
dopeyare you using the command line, or synaptic ?10:43
bob2Ruffian|JANE|: I'm not dissing you10:43
dopeyblatch: ^10:43
bob2Ruffian|JANE|: I don't even talk to you unless you talk to me first10:43
blatchbob2, ok tried that, didn't work.10:43
yohannesk thanks10:43
aadis_fuman, hibernate now works. i'm like "w00! w00!"10:44
dopeyblatch: if you are using the command line / editing sources.list by hand, you need to run "apt-get update" after changing sources.list10:45
blatchdopey, holy shit, i'm not an idiot.10:45
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bob2blatch: please?10:45
blatchbob2, ?10:46
bob2blatch: please don't be a dick to people trying to help you10:46
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blatchsorry, i'm an ex-debian user :P10:46
bob2most debian users are far more polite than that10:46
blatchyou haven't spent very much time in their channel...10:46
Ruffian|JANE|blatch, HAHAHAHA! I indubedably agree10:46
dopeythe irony.10:47
bob2blatch: /msg chanserv access #debian list10:47
stuNNeddon't know what the fuss is about, #debian has always been nice to me10:47
dopeybob2: gold :)10:47
Lathiatdopey, bob2: :)10:48
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aadis_fustuNNed: really?10:48
Ruffian|JANE|#debian = noob hating nazis10:48
Ruffian|JANE|ok, that was harsh10:48
Ruffian|JANE|i take that back10:48
bob2deb-src http://people.no-name-yet.com/~jdub/warty ./10:48
aadis_fuRuffian|JANE|: nice taking pot shots and then suddenly retracting ;)10:48
bob2that works for me as a source repository10:48
dopeyguys - please, lets drop that train of discussion.10:49
Ruffian|JANE|aadis_fu, :-)10:49
bob2anyway, #debian is a terrible place, but off-topic10:49
aadis_fuok, which is the compositing manager10:49
Ruffian|JANE|bob2, I indubedably agree10:49
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blatchbob2, thanks.10:49
jdubRuffian|JANE|: you keep saying that word. i do not think it means what you think it means.10:50
Ruffian|JANE|i have no clue what it means10:50
Ruffian|JANE|to dictionary.com i go10:50
aadis_fuRuffian|JANE|: where i did not find it ;)10:50
cenerentolabob2: ive rebooted..10:50
lmlI have installed a cd writer in my Ubuntu machine but I am having trouble getting cdrecord to recognize it. Do I have to run some kind of hardware setup to make it work?10:51
aadis_fubob2: any idea which package provides it?10:51
cenerentola...and if i try to enable eth110:51
aadis_fubob2: xcompmgr i mean10:51
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bob2aadis_fu: it's in daniels' repository, not in hoary yet10:51
bob2cenerentola: ok10:51
cenerentolait doesnt stay enabled10:51
bob2lml: no10:51
bob2lml: just use cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc10:51
aadis_fubob2: ah, ok. which source line?10:51
bob2or whatever it is10:51
bob2cenerentola: "enable"?10:51
cenerentolayep using the gui...10:51
bob2aadis_fu: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xcompmgr/ ./10:51
lmlbob2: Oki, so no cdrecored -scanbus?10:51
bob2aadis_fu: on i386 only10:51
bob2lml: right10:51
lmlbob2: thx.10:52
cenerentolai think its "ifup eht1"10:52
bob2lml: you don't need that in 2.6, you just use the IDE device directly10:52
bob2cenerentola: what gui?10:52
bob2cenerentola: have you setup /etc/network/interfaces yet?10:52
blatchbob2, still not working.10:52
Ruffian|JANE|jdub, yup, it means what I thought.10:52
cenerentolaive done it through the gui..10:52
cenerentolanetwork config10:52
bob2cenerentola: so what errores does 'ifup eth1' print?10:52
bob2jdub: 'deb http://people.no-name-yet.com/~jdub/warty ./' works, right?10:53
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aadis_fuok, xcompmgr apt-get gets an 40410:55
aadis_fui guess i'll have to wait...10:55
bob2try dropping the second last /10:55
blatchoh. wait. he only has the i386 versions :(10:55
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Ruffian|JANE|hi d0gmaz10:56
jdubbob2: think so10:56
d0gmazwhen i start xorg i get the following error Error activating XKB configuration.10:56
d0gmazProbably internal X server problem.10:56
bob2jdub: the problem is your i386-fascism10:56
d0gmazwith an error code10:56
aadis_fuok, folks, time to test xorg server, brb10:56
jdubbob2: ah.10:57
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blatchoh my the dependencies for gnome-bluetooth :)11:01
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bob2wow, libbtct has a ton of warnings11:03
blatchi'm not even there yet. i have to download about 40 dependencies11:03
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cenerentola_bob3: aisb11:06
cenerentola_bob2: aisb there's no signal11:06
d0gmaznobody knows what i can do about the error popping up at staruo of xorg, Error activating XKB configuration. Probably internal X server problem.11:06
bob2d0gmaz: please file a bug11:06
d0gmazi saw other people having the same error on ubuntu forums11:07
bob2maybe one of them already reported it?11:07
linux_galorebye folks11:07
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bob2cenerentola_: ok11:08
bob2cenerentola_: try asking on ubuntu-user11:08
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blatchdoes apt-get source -b (packagename) also INSTALL the created binary package?11:09
blatchroger that11:09
bob2ok, downloaded and built and installed11:09
blatchbuilding gnome-bluetooth and gnome-phone-manager now :P11:11
dopeyapt-get build-dep may also be useful11:11
blatchdid you get an error saying something about librsvg?11:12
bob2apt-get build-dep, first11:12
bob2and install build-essential11:12
blatchE: Build-Depends dependency for gnome-phone-manager cannot be satisfied because the package libgnomebt0-dev cannot be found11:13
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blatchoh wait11:13
bob2you need to build libbtctl first11:13
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blatchcheck #flood to see my error11:14
blatchmake any sense of that?11:15
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bob2maybe there's a missing build-dep11:16
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yohannesbob2: i tried your given command, but it still not shutting down11:16
yohannesthese are the last 4 lines during shutdown:11:16
yohannesmd:stopping all md devices11:16
yohannespower downn11:16
yohannesthat's it. the funny thing is that when i hard shut it down. after a minute / 2, it will turn on by itself11:17
yohanneswhich is weird11:17
bob2are you sure you loaded the apm module?11:17
bob2really really sure?11:17
yohannesyes i did11:17
yohannessudo mopprobe apm11:17
bob2and it was loaded just before you shut down?11:17
yohannesit did not say anything on the terminal that it has been loaded but i was given a new prompt which i assume it did11:18
blatchit is a missing dep, it needs librsvg2-dev, i believe11:18
Ruffian|JANE|goodnight bob2.11:18
yohannesalso during boot up, there are 2 errors associated w/ modprobe11:18
blatchits working now11:19
yohannesthe first one: modprobe: error inserting shpchp: operation not permitted11:19
yohannesthe first one: modprobe: error inserting piciehp: operation not permitted11:19
bob2that's safe to ignore11:19
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bob2if you really care, you can blacklist it by naming those modules in /etc/hotplug/blacklist11:19
yohannesi read that those 2 errors are being fixed until the warthog release11:19
gorran out of input data system halted11:20
gordoes anyone know what this is??11:20
Ruffian|JANE|g'night bob211:20
bob2gor: you need to provide a lot more context11:20
johagor: This means you11:20
bob2Ruffian|JANE|: bye11:20
johagor: This means you're in serious trouble.11:20
johagor: Did you just do a fresh install of Ubuntu?11:21
wfxyohannes, you can ignore this errors11:21
gorof fedora11:21
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gorbut it's the same for all distros11:21
bob2gor: you're running fedora?11:21
gorwhy joha?11:21
gori'm trying to install it11:21
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gabryelladute nu mai spune11:22
gorbut when i press enter to begin the installation i get that error11:22
johagor: Because the kernel isn't even coming up. What kind of hardware are you using?11:22
bob2blatch: if you're using hoary, deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~rweir/gnome-bluetooth/ ./11:22
bob2in like 30 seconds11:22
gorp3 933 512 ram11:22
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blatchnot using hoary, but i've been thinking about it11:23
gori read at suse's site that that happens when you had another kernel running before11:23
blatchis it pretty stable for ppc?11:23
bob2ah, while they won't work then11:23
bob2works fine for me11:23
johagor: Sounds like a fairly recent machine; shouldn't cause any trouble. Can you verify the integrity of your installation CD?11:23
gorbut i only had run suse live eval11:23
yohannesis the hoary release good enough to try?11:23
bob2yohannes: do you want to help find bugs?11:23
johagor: If SuSE live eval runs, then Ubuntu should run as well.11:23
yohannesor is it too buggy11:23
gorjoha: when i test the media i get the same error11:23
blatchis hoary like testing, unstable, or experimental?11:23
blatchoh, well, sweet then.11:24
blatchi'll upgrade11:24
yohannesbob2: r u part of ubuntu's QA team?11:24
johagor: Do you have another Linux system available? Or can you do MD5-Summing under Windows?11:24
bob2yohannes: no11:24
blatchjust change "warty" to "hoary" in sources.list?11:24
gorso i can't advance until i fix this problem11:24
bob2blatch: yes11:24
bob2blatch: no going back, though11:24
wfxbonobo, pciehp11:24
bonobopciehp is the PCI Express Hot Plug Controller Driver11:24
gori don't know how to do md5 sum11:24
yohannesbut u r using it as we speak?11:24
wfxbonobo, shpchp11:24
bonoboshpchp is the Standard Hot Plug PCI Controller Driver11:24
bob2yohannes: hoary? yes.11:25
gori have ubuntu as well11:25
gorif you mean that11:25
joha(gor: The CD checking option also needs the kernel to be up and running first; so it doesn't work)11:25
gornot installed11:25
gorjoha you're right11:25
yohanneslet me change the rep source list11:25
bob2yohannes: you cannot go back to warty without reinstalling11:25
blatchand change to hoary-security?11:25
johagor: Well, what OS is the computer you're using right now running?11:26
bob2blatch: hoary has no security updates11:26
johagor: Hmm, I see. Just gimme a second.11:26
gorhey i just found a solution...11:27
yohannesbob2: i am testing this warty in any case cos i am learning linux. so if something goes south, np11:27
gorwell seems like it11:27
johagor: Does that machine have access to the .iso file you burned the CD from?11:27
yohannesbob2: simply change every instance of warty --> hoary, is this correct?11:27
gorwhat do you mean have access to the iso?11:27
suposanyone in here good with isapnp?11:27
gori burned the iso from win9811:27
johagor: Is the ISO file on that machine?11:27
johaAnd you still have the file?11:27
bob2yohannes: yes, but hoary has no security updates11:28
gorjoha: look at this http://www.morphix.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1637&forum=2&jump=111:28
blatchhere we go!11:28
yohannesoh well..11:28
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johagor: That doesn't help in your situation, unfortunately. You don't even have it installed yet, so there's no point in trying to boot a kernel off some other partition.11:29
gorwell it's the same problem11:29
gorwell if i boot with ubuntu or smt?11:30
gorbut anyway that solution is too advanced for me11:30
gordo you know how do i fix that error?11:31
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johagor: We need to make sure if your CD is okay11:33
gorit's ok11:33
gori had just burned it11:33
bob2hm, network manager built fine, too11:33
gorno scratches etc11:34
gori put it on the drive and selected boot from cd11:34
gorand then i press enter11:34
gorand i get that error11:34
gorand then nothing11:34
gorit crashes11:34
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johagor: Yes but you can't tell if the FILE is okay. So we're going to check that.11:34
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Tsjoklathi all11:35
gorhow can't it be ok11:35
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gori d/l straight from red hat's site11:35
yohannesbob2: i read in the forum that i might have to try adding "acpi=force"  to the /boot/grub/menu.1st11:35
gorand i can't check that cause it doesn't let me run a media test11:36
yohannesbob2: my q is, where should i put that expression?11:36
gorjoha:any ideas?11:38
bob2I really doubt you have acpi on a p3-55011:38
johagor: That`s why we're going to check the FILE, not the MEDIA.11:39
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johagor: Get the tool at http://www.pc-tools.net/win32/md5sums/ please11:39
danielsbob2: i had it on my hp11:39
yohannesthe forum also mentions other possiblity like updating the bios. i dont think any newer bios is released any longer for this mobi11:39
bob2daniels: that old?11:39
gorthe 27kb one?11:40
gorbut is it the same for ubuntu and fedora?11:40
danielsbob2: pii 65011:40
johagor: But you'll have to find out how to use it yourself. I have no Windows machine available to me to try out and tell you.11:40
danielsbob2: (but it was originally a 350 or 450)11:40
gorok i'm trying now11:41
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suposdoes ubuntu use oss or alsa? when I open the volume control, it shows both11:41
gormd5sums e:\11:42
bob2alsa with oss compatibility modules11:42
gorthat's what i'm supposed to do?11:42
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bob2you need to check the disk itself11:42
suposbob2: so which tab am I supposed to use to change volume?11:42
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cocozzHI , im trying to install MPLAYER with gui , first of all I do ./configure --enable-gui , at the end it says I dont have X11 !! :S11:43
d0gmazhow do i startup a tcl script?11:43
bob2cocozz: then mplayer is buggy11:45
d0gmazi installed tux racer but the startup file is .tcl how do i start it?11:45
bob2it should say "you don't have the X headers installed."11:45
cocozzoh :/11:45
bob2d0gmaz: no it's not11:45
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johagor: http://source.rfc822.org/pub/mirror/releases.ubuntu.com/4.10/MD5SUMS ... here's a file where you'll find the MD5 sum that your ISO should have.11:46
d0gmazbob2, thanks but isnt this just a shortcut?11:46
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bob2d0gmaz: linux doesn't have windows "shortcuts".  the binary in the ubuntu package for tuxracer is called /usr/games/tuxracer.11:47
d0gmazbob2, ok i thought there were things called symlinks or something11:47
d0gmazbut it just puts the binarie somewhere else11:48
bob2there are symlinks, yeah11:48
bob2but /usr/games/tuxracer is the actual binary, not a symlink11:48
gorjoha: should i do an md5 checksum on the iso file or on the burned image?11:48
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johagor: You can try both :)11:50
gori tried on the burned image11:50
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d0gmazis there something like you had in DOS called FastTrackerII a .xm music tracker but then for ubuntu?11:50
gorand it says unable to read file/directory E:/11:50
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johagor: Yeah, that woudln't surprise me much in Window. Better try tje file11:51
bob2there are lots of music trackers in ubuntu11:51
siimohi can anyone tell me how to share files so windows users can access it? i have samba but not sure how to set it up11:51
johaHEEELP! MSY GIrtlfrind isd i?kiollling n!+#11:51
danielsjoha: ask her to stop?11:52
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johashe doesngt11:52
johagor: Does the MD5sum work11:53
d0gmazi got this lines in my fstab11:53
d0gmaz/dev/hdb1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    defaults,ro,users,umask=0111    0 011:53
d0gmaz/dev/hda2       /mnt/windows1   ntfs    defaults,ro,users,umask=0111    0 011:53
gorit works!!!!!!11:54
d0gmazbut it wont mount my drives11:54
d0gmazsorry for the spam11:54
gorit's on 5%11:54
d0gmazit says mount: mount point /mnt/windows does not exist11:54
siimod0gmaz, mkdir /mnt/windows11:54
johagor: Oh :) ... see you next year then i guess11:55
d0gmazsiimo, wow that was easy11:55
suposHow do I find out which is the right port, irq etc for my isa sound card in isapnp.conf11:55
d0gmazsiimo, now it mounts but makes my windows dirs like /mp3 and /games became files no directorys11:57
wfxd0gmaz, check premissions11:57
d0gmazwfx, how?11:57
Falstiusdogmaz, you need to change your umask I think11:57
gorlol joha it's on 50%11:57
Falstiusumask=0111 will make directories non-executable which means you can get their contents11:58
d0gmazthey are on 011111:58
Falstiusyou want dmask=0,fmask=111 and no umask11:58
johamy gf is on 150%11:59
Falstiusd0gmaz: sorry, "which means you CAN'T get their contents"11:59
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d0gmazFalstius, thanks it worked12:00
gorwell if it's ok what do i do next?12:01
Falstiusd0gmaz: its in the man page but the fstab man page is ugly12:01
johagor: Then you try and burn it a second time, taking all security precautions one can possibly take for burning a CD.12:03
gorhey joha12:03
gorit's ok12:03
gorwell it says 100% and then it displays a long key12:03
johaOkay, now compare that to the key in that file  I told you12:04
johaAnd see if they're the same keys12:04
gorjoha it has to do with the fact that i had an older kernel befor12:04
gorthat's what i saw on google12:04
gornot the same12:05
gorwith the ones on the link12:05
johagor: That applies when you have Linux installed already.12:05
gori had12:06
gornot installed12:06
gorran from a live cd12:06
johabut that doesnt change your cmputer12:06
johaso how do these MD5 keys compare12:06
johaPost the one from your ISO file here in the channel12:06
gorwell i went there12:08
gorand the md5 checksum for cd1 isn't what i ge12:09
goroh wait12:09
gorthat's for core312:09
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johaYup :)12:09
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johagor: http://source.rfc822.org/pub/mirror/releases.ubuntu.com/4.10/MD5SUMS12:10
johaa491903a2d2197651864dec3836d85e0  warty-release-install-i386.iso12:10
johaThat's probably the one you haver12:10
gornope...mine isn't any of those12:11
gorbut how??12:11
Falstiusfedora is not good for beginners.12:11
gorwell i think i could handle it12:11
gorif the installation was done!12:12
gorbut i've got this error12:12
gorthat messes it all12:12
gorany ideas to fix this??12:21
johagor: Compare it to the MD5 sum I just gave you12:21
FalstiusGor, are you installing fedora or ubuntu?12:21
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gorjoha it's not the same12:23
johaWell maybe you should go to12:23
johaWell maybe you should go to #fedora then?12:23
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gorwell i got no answer in #fedora12:24
johaBecause obviously the key I gave you is NOT the one of the Fedora ISO12:24
johaI see12:24
xukunif I want to install LAMP with apt-get, which are the packages to install?12:24
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gorbut i checked with fedora's site md512:24
johaWell, you need the MD5 for your Fedora ISO then. And if that isn't the same as your ISO file, then you should download the Fedora ISO again12:24
gorand it's not the same12:24
FalstiusGor, which fedora, 1 2 or 3?12:24
bob2lamp is such a silly phrase12:24
bob2xukun: what do you actually want to install?12:24
gorjoha it's not the same12:24
bob2xukun: apache, the apapche php module and a mysql server?12:25
gorbut how can it be done?12:25
gori downloaded straight away from fedoras12:25
gor's site12:25
xukunbob2: that would be ok too12:25
bob2install libapache2-mod-php4, php4-mysql and apache2 and mysql-server12:25
FalstiusGor, Fedora is fairly broken.  It takes a lot of work to get it correct.  I'd suggest downloading Ubuntu instead :)12:26
xukunbob2: is there a good howto about that I,m bit new to this?12:26
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bob2xukun: which bit? instaling packages?12:26
johagor: There may be a thousand reasons why the file came through flawed.12:26
xukunbob2: no apache12:27
johagor: I'm sorry, all I can tell you is that your installation CD is broken and that is the reason for the installation not working.12:27
bob2xukun: it should be all setup after you install those packages12:27
xukunbob2: thanks bob212:27
johagor: Maybe the problem lies also on Fedora's server, so you could always try out Ubuntu.12:27
gorthe thing is that a friend of mine12:28
gorhas exactly the same problem12:28
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gorwith dsl12:28
gorubuntu is just 1 cd12:28
gorwhereas fedora is 412:28
johagor: Well, so isn't that good?12:30
fordsis it possible to set up ubuntu with OSS instead of ALSA?  i noticed that the kernel modules were installed for it, so i'm curious why it doesn't seem to work.  if i load the oss drivers, it should "just work," right?12:30
FalstiusGor, if you want something fancy, Yoper is nice too (and also only 1 CD)12:30
fordsif it should "just work," then i know i'm not loading all the drivers i need... so anything you can tell me would be great.12:31
fordsnever mind, seems to mostly work now12:32
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nico|mis there anything i have to keep in mind when upgrading debian sid to ubuntu warty? what do i have to change in apt.sources (to have it replace all packages)?12:43
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Austrondoes anyone use the program envy24control ?12:52
TheMusoAustron: yES.12:54
Austronunder ubunut?12:54
TheMusoYes, had to build it myself.12:54
Austronbuild it myself? argh that counts me out i guess :)12:54
TheMusoYou were wanting ot know where to get it?12:54
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Austronmuso, what soundcard do you have?12:55
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TheMusoAustron: I have two. A TerraTec DMX 6Fire 24/96, and a Delta 66.12:56
Austronah thats good i also have a terratec soundcard (ice1724)12:56
TheMusoAustron: Do you mean ice1712?12:56
{LSMF}SnIpAhi i want to set up oident on my Ubuntu but the oident map has te be in the map 'root' when i try to put it their i get the error : your not the owner of the map12:56
Austronno i have the aureon sky with ice172412:57
TheMusoAh right.12:57
TheMusoI have no experience with that module. That is probably the Envy24 HT chipset then. Does envy24control work with that?12:57
Austronyes i heard that it should work for it, but i dont have envy24control12:58
Austroni couldnt find a ubuntu package12:58
{LSMF}SnIpAhi i want to set up oident on my Ubuntu but the oident map has te be in the map 'root' when i try to put it their i get the error : your not the owner of the map how can i put the map in the root map now ? pls help12:58
TheMusoThat is because there doesn't seem to be one.12:58
Austrondo you also have the problem that all the sliders in the many mixers have stupid names? for example i have 20 or so sliders called DAC or ADC but none called LiniIn and so on12:59
TheMusoMine are called ADC etc, but are labeled front left, etc.12:59
_mattiany devs around? perlmagick seems broken in ubuntu? :)12:59
Austronare they named correct only in envy24control or in the other mixers too? (like alsamixer)01:00
Lathiathmm the battery applet is bug01:00
Treenaks_matti: what's the error message?01:00
_mattiThe following packages have unmet dependencies:01:00
_matti  perlmagick: Depends: libmagick6 (= 5: but 5: is to be installed01:00
_mattiE: Broken packages01:00
TheMusoAustron: If you want fine control over envy24-based cards, you will need to build envy24control01:00
Lathiati randomly get a vertical meter as well as a horizontal one01:00
Lathiatand sometimes none at all and fiddling with the settings doesnt get it anywhere :P heh01:00
Austronyes i think so too01:00
_mattiTree: nt sure but looks like a wrongly named dependency..01:00
Austronwas it difficult to build it01:00
{LSMF}SnIpAhi i want to set up oident on my Ubuntu but the oident map has te be in the map 'root' when i try to put it their i get the error : your not the owner of the map how can i put the map in the root map now ? pls help01:01
_mattinot, even01:01
TheMusoAustron: What you need to do is fetch the alsa-tools package from http://www.alsa-project.org01:01
Lathiatohh instead of a charging icon it shows a battery with the actual charge percentage, heh looks odd01:01
TreenaksTheMuso: uh. that's in ubuntu by default01:01
TreenaksTheMuso: never compile a package that's in a deb somewhere01:01
TheMusoTreenaks: Where is it then?01:01
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bob2{LSMF}SnIpA: what are you trying to do with an oident map?01:01
TreenaksTheMuso: apt-cache search alsa01:02
{LSMF}SnIpAput it in the root directory01:02
TheMusoTreenaks: But alsa-tools does NOT exist.01:02
{LSMF}SnIpAbut it won't let me01:02
TreenaksTheMuso: maybe it's named differently01:02
TheMusoTreenaks: Well if it was there, a search for envy24, or even envy should bring up someting. However nothing shows its head.01:03
Treenaksalsa-utils - ALSA utilities01:03
TheMusoTreenaks: Search for alsa-tools and you will get nothing.01:03
_mattiTree: any ideas on that?01:03
TreenaksTheMuso: it's called alsa-utils!01:03
bob2{LSMF}SnIpA: *what* are you trying to acheive?01:03
TheMusoTreenaks: If I knew of a package for envy24control, I would have pointed right at it.01:03
TreenaksTheMuso: have you filed a bug that this isn't packaged?01:04
{LSMF}SnIpAsetting up Psybnc but for that the map Oident of psybnc should be in the directory root01:04
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TheMusoTreenaks: it does NOT come in alsa-utils.01:04
bob2hah, psybnc01:04
TheMusoTreenaks: No, but I will.01:04
xukunbob2: I installed the packages, I can access my localhost, but is that all or is there some other configuration I need to do, or read first?01:05
bob2xukun: I'm not sure what you're trying to set up01:05
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_mattium, anyone else able to install perlmagick?01:07
{LSMF}SnIpAbob2 sow how can i put the map oident in the mpa root ?01:07
synapsehas anybody tried to install psybnc in ubuntu?01:08
synapsei just get segmentation errors01:08
AustronTheMuso, so after getting that alsa-utils package, what then?01:08
xukunbob2: maybe its a bit out of reach for me but I want to build my own database driven website using PHP & MySQL01:08
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bob2xukun: well, you have all the bits now, you just have to write the code :)01:08
synapsexutun: it is easy01:09
synapseapt-get install apache2 mysql-server libapache2-mod-php401:09
synapsei think :X01:09
TheMusoOk bug filed.01:09
xukunbob2: thanks a lot for your help01:10
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TheMusoAustron: For now, I suggest you fetch the alsa-tools package form the website as stated earlier. Then you need libgtk1.2-dev I think it is, and libasound2-dev. Then you shouldn't have a problem building it.01:10
bob2xukun: you're most welcome01:10
eimHello folks, anyone can give me some tips form where to get multisync for Warty? It's not in universe.01:10
Austronis there a good online tutorial for the whole process you know of?01:11
Austron(cause im using windows atm)01:11
TheMusoAustron: No, as I am experienced with building packages. :) I suggest you read the INSTALL file that comes with the alsa-tools/envy24control package.01:12
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bob2eim: build it from source to /usr/local/01:12
{LSMF}SnIpAbob2 sow how can i put the map oident in the mpa root ?01:12
bob2{LSMF}SnIpA: I don't understand your question, sorry01:13
Austroneh by the way.. hehe.. wouldnt it be possible to just copy your envy24control to my computer and run it? :)01:13
bob2{LSMF}SnIpA: if you just want to proxy IRC so you can have a leet hostname, irssi has a pretty cool proxy module01:13
{LSMF}SnIpAok ty :)01:13
TheMusoAustron: That is an option, but there are a few files to go with it, and I currently don't have access to that box.01:13
Austronah okay, no problem im not on my linux pc either ;)01:14
Austronthemuso, ill return to you when i failed in building it myself, i hope youre often in this channel!01:14
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TheMusoAustron: I am always in this channel, but not always at my machine. :)01:15
Austrongood to know, than thanks for the moment, and have a nice day! (im off, see you!)01:16
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WWDoes anyone know of applications similar to xvidcap (http://xvidcap.sourceforge.net/)?  Anything like this already packaged in Ubuntu?01:16
Austronbye people01:17
WWxvidcap captures screen activity and mouse movements, and makes a video.01:18
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eimbob2: ok, thanks.01:20
bob2(it wasn't mature enough for warty, iirc)01:20
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johaWhy does OpenOffice only print to an A5-region on my A4 paper? And each time I set it to A4, its immediately reset to A5!01:35
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Tsjoklathey pitti :)01:40
pittiHey Tsjoklat!01:40
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Muhahahhado you know why synaptic exist suddely when I choose a package?01:42
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thoreauputicMuhahahha: I think you meant 'exits" ?01:43
Muhahahhaexits sorry01:43
thoreauputicthat's a confusing typo :)01:43
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BrianB04Morning all01:43
MuhahahhaI have to isntall all via konsole and searching throught the packages is a pain01:44
thoreauputicMuhahahha: use apt-cache search <what-you-are-searching-for>01:45
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TsjoklatMuhahaha are you on hoary?01:45
Muhahahhai have the hoary repositories yeah01:46
Muhahahhaie isntalled xorg form there01:46
Tsjoklatit is a bug01:46
Tsjoklatin xorg01:46
suposAnyone here good with isapnp?01:46
bob2supos: try the list01:47
bob2the number of people using ubuntu on isa hardware is very very tiny01:47
Muhahahhacan i do anyothing to solve it?01:47
bob2read the bug report01:47
Muhahahhabob2 that's to me?01:48
suposbob2: yeah, but the number of people who has used isa hardware at some point probably isn't so small01:48
dlightsomeone knows how to change the default sound device if you have multiple sound cards?01:48
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bob2supos: in here it is miniscule, try the list01:48
bob2dlight: blacklist the other modules01:48
TsjoklatMuhahah I think there is not much else to do but wait for it to be fixed01:49
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dlightbob2, in /etc/modules ?01:49
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bob2dlight: /etc/hotplug/blacklist01:49
BrianB04Quick question: Is the plugin xmms-cdread available in the Ubuntu repos?01:49
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Muhahahhaok thanks Tsjoklat01:50
TsjoklatMuhahahha at least you can still do it through the console01:50
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TsjoklatMuhahahha you know how to search for packages?01:51
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dlightwhere can i see what my sound card's module name is?01:53
Echylohow to burn cd's in ubuntu01:53
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elgringohi. why can i send mails via telnet localhost 25 but not from outside? does postfix only transmit local mails?01:55
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arthurrHi. How do I install a language (for gnome) after ubunto is installed? The gdm login gives me an option to boot in english and dutch (the language i installed ubuntu in) but I want to add a third language. I can find translations with synaptic for openoffice and kde but not gnome01:56
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Echyloarthurr, kzou het ook graag wete ;)01:58
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{LSMF}SnIpAwhen i typ make in the psybnc folder i get this : Running Coversion Tool for older psyBNC data. make: gcc: Command not found, make: ***[all]  erorr 12702:01
arthurrKinda stange that translations after install are available for anything but gnome, the base desktop02:01
xukunhmm what does this message mean? Sorry, sudo must be setuid root02:02
mjrarthurr, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales02:02
Echylobtw how to burn iso's in ubuntu?02:03
mjrEchylo, easiest by right-clicking the iso in nautilus and choosing to burn it02:03
Echylooow ok :)02:04
Echyloit's still downloading :p02:04
mjrarthurr, you don't need any extra packages02:04
elgringois someone in mailing issues here? (smtp delivery)02:04
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Tsjoklatelgringo: evolution?02:05
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Naphello all02:05
elgringono, i want to receive mails on my server per smtp server02:06
Napto upgrade from warty to hoary, do I have to remove fam and install gamin ?02:06
cenerentoladoes someone know why if i use ipw2100 it doesnt get the signal and if i use ndis.. it does?02:06
suposanyone know if there is a tool like lsmod, that also show which parameters a certain module was loaded with?02:06
DespairNap: just install gamin, it'll kill fam for you.02:06
GeosBHallo danish user???02:06
Napok :)02:06
TsjoklatNap: apt-get dist-upgrade will fix it for you02:06
Napthank you02:06
TsjoklatNap: it will remove fam and install gamin and start it up02:07
Napno guys, it didn't removed fam02:07
{LSMF}SnIpAwhen i typ make in the psybnc folder i get this : Running Coversion Tool for older psyBNC data. make: gcc: Command not found, make: ***[all]  erorr 12702:08
TsjoklatNap: did you do an apt-get dist-upgrade? after you did an apt-get update?02:08
arthurrmjr: Thanks! it works02:08
xukunI think I have done something wrong, after I did chown -R root, withouw having a root user in ubuntu and know if I run a command with sudo I get: "Sorry, sudo must be setuid root"02:08
Tsjoklathave you changed your sources to hoary?02:08
cenerentolacan someone help me?02:08
Tsjoklatcenerentola: ask your question02:09
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NapTsjoklat, in fact I had done the update with synaptic, I believed taht it was the same as apt02:09
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cenerentolaive already done it: does someone know why if i use ipw2100 it doesnt get the signal and if i use ndis.. it does?02:09
TsjoklatNap did you change your sources to hoary? and then did reload and then smart upgrade?02:09
NapTsjoklat,  but it still keep fam02:09
Napyes I did it02:09
TsjoklatNap are you comfortable with using the console?02:10
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Napyes I am02:10
TsjoklatNap go to: cd /etc/apt02:10
Tsjoklatcould you open up : nano -w sources.list?02:10
arthurrmjr: it only configures the languages so i can select them. they are still not installed for gnome02:10
Tsjoklatand give me an example of one line in it?02:10
Napdeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe02:11
Napdeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe02:11
Napplus the security related lines02:11
Napthen marillat02:11
{LSMF}SnIpAwhen i typ make in the psybnc folder i get this : Running Coversion Tool for older psyBNC data. make: gcc: Command not found, make: ***[all]  erorr 12702:11
Tsjoklatok make it that it looks like this: hoary main restriccted universe multiverse02:11
Tsjoklatfour lines in total02:11
Napeven for security ?02:12
Tsjoklatdeb + deb-src archives deb + deb-src security02:12
Tsjoklatall four02:12
Tsjoklatwhen you want to change it, you have to use sudo nano -w sources.list02:12
Tsjoklatbut you probably know that :)02:12
Napyeah :)02:13
Tsjoklatand it is restricted .. sorry spelling02:13
Tsjoklatok after you  have done that... save and close .... do an apt-get update02:13
Napso no more hoary-security ?02:13
Naphoary instead ?02:13
Tsjoklatdeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted universe multiverse02:14
Tsjoklatlike that02:14
Tsjoklatdeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse02:15
Tsjoklatplus the deb-src ones02:15
Napok, I updated and dist-upgraded02:15
bob2{LSMF}SnIpA: install build-essential02:15
Napwith the right sources02:15
Tsjoklatdid it tell you anything?02:15
Napno fam removing02:15
Napno it seemed to be just all right02:15
Tsjoklatlet me look for a second here02:15
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{LSMF}SnIpAbob2 where can i download it ?02:16
Tsjoklatdpkg -l gamin02:16
mjrarthurr, then they are probably not supported under gnome02:16
Tsjoklatwhat does that tell you?02:16
Tsjoklatdoes it give you a double ii?02:16
Napii  gamin             0.0.16-1ubuntu1   File and directory monitoring system02:16
Tsjoklatthen you got gamin installed02:16
thoreauputic{LSMF}SnIpA: sudo apt-get install build-esential02:17
Napbut I still have fam02:17
Tsjoklatbut it will also tell you dpkg -l gam that it is still there02:17
TsjoklatI know02:17
TsjoklatI have it too02:17
Napis it a problem ?02:17
Tsjoklatdpkg -l fam sorry02:17
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TsjoklatI don't think so02:17
Tsjoklatthey probably going to remove it all together at one time02:17
Tsjoklatbut perhaps gamin is not bug free enough to run on it's own02:17
Tsjoklatyou got problems in Nautilus Nap?02:18
{LSMF}SnIpAthoreauputic thanks :)02:18
arthurrmjr: i tried french and i'm sure ubunto installs that language for gnome if you choose that language when you fist install ubuntu02:18
mjrarthurr, or wait, I'm not sure, but try removing the LANGUAGE line from /etc/environment02:18
mjrit's not a question of installing, but yes, french should be supported02:18
Napbecause some guys told me here gamin will kill/remove fam02:18
mjrarthurr, try the LANGUAGE thing, I think it might be overriding the gdm selection02:19
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TsjoklatNap it will eventually replace fam yes.... but it is something they want done by the time Hoary releases.. and that is in april02:19
Napokok :)02:19
arthurrLANGUAGE of LANG?02:19
Tsjoklatso we got a few months ahead of us :)02:19
Napso have I to remove it ?02:20
TsjoklatI wouldn't02:20
DespairNap: if you have gamin, you probably don't want fam. if you don't want it, you can do a `dpkg --purge fam libfam0c102`02:20
mjrarthurr, if it works after that, it's an Ubuntu bug and should be reported02:20
ermoTsjoklat, gamin replaces fam? What's the skinny?02:20
bob2gnome in hoary already uses gamin02:20
bob2fam is shitty, is the skinny02:20
Napok Despair02:20
Despairbe nice when ubuntu has a kernel in with inotify, too. :)02:20
Tsjoklatermo read the hoary release wiki02:20
Tsjoklatermo they want to replace fam with gamin by the release of Hoary02:21
ermoTsjoklat, aye captain!02:21
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{LSMF}SnIpAwhere can you download ncursers ?02:21
xukunis there a way to fix this error: "Sorry, sudo must be setuid root" I cant use my sudo user and I dont have a root user02:21
TsjoklatNap: I want fam gone too.. but I think I am going to wait for ubu to fix it themselves02:21
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bob2{LSMF}SnIpA: libncurses5-dev is the package you want02:22
Napwise decisionj02:22
bob2Despair: 'tis on the cards02:22
{LSMF}SnIpAok ty bob2 :)02:22
Napi will follow it02:22
TsjoklatNap got enough woes with Hoary as it is :)02:22
Tsjoklatdon't need more hehe02:22
xukunbob2: do you have any idea?02:22
TreenaksTsjoklat: oh yes you do ;)02:22
TsjoklatTreenaks you don't have enough time to hold my hand 24/7 :)02:23
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TreenaksTsjoklat: uhh02:23
TsjoklatTreenaks remember... we still have to strangle evolution lol02:23
TreenaksTsjoklat: strangle it?02:23
bob2xukun: show us the output of "mount"02:23
Tsjoklatj/k Treenaks... too early huh02:23
bob2I bet you made / nosuid02:24
TsjoklatTreenaks the encryption.. I would love to be able to read your e-mails02:24
bob2I'm guessing that because I did it last month02:24
TreenaksTsjoklat: ah that one02:24
xukunbob2:  mount02:24
xukun/dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)02:24
xukunproc on /proc type proc (rw)02:24
xukunsysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)02:24
xukundevpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)02:24
xukuntmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)02:24
TsjoklatTreenaks: told you... it is too early for you02:24
xukunusbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)02:24
TreenaksTsjoklat: nah I'm quite awake now02:24
TsjoklatTreenaks: time to tackle the blog thing you were working on heheh02:25
xukunbob2: sudo was working before, but I was fellowing some howto and had to do chmod -R root . soon after this I got that message02:26
mjrarthurr, how's it going?02:26
bob2xukun: oh god02:26
Tsjoklatxukun: second that02:26
bob2xukun: erm, how big a deal is reinstalling now?02:26
arthurrmjr: still working on it02:27
xukunso I,m fuckt02:27
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mjrarthurr, well, I'm off to see a movie anyways, hope it works out ;)02:27
stupidnick/ stupid02:27
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bob2xukun: what exact command did you run, and from what directory?02:28
idiothi bob2 its fish02:28
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idiotbob2, do you know where I can change my arch settings so I can compile stuff as i68602:29
arthurrmjr: thanks for the help, i think it's a bu. i'll install a stable version and report it when it still doesn't work02:29
idiotinstead of i48602:29
xukunbob2: /usr/bin $ sudo chown -R root .02:30
suposaaarghh, why won't this just work??02:30
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idiotdoes anybody knw how to change it from i48602:31
thoreauputicidiot: you don't need to, really02:32
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idiotthoreauputic, why?02:32
suposthoreauputic: you know if there is a way to find out with which parameters a module was loaded?02:33
thoreauputicidiot: why do you think you need to? optimisation or something?02:33
idiotthoreauputic, ya, so I can compile for my arch etc02:33
idiotthoreauputic, make use of my hardware02:34
thoreauputicidiot: are you an ex-gentoo person?02:34
idiotthoreauputic, no, im an x i686er02:34
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Lovechildthoreauputic, judging from the nick...02:35
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smurfixAnybody know how I can tell gnome to do page-by-page scrolling?02:35
smurfix(with the mouse wheel)02:35
thoreauputicidiot: when you compile, you are already compiling for your hardware etc02:35
xukunbob2: are u still here?02:35
LovechildBrianB04, so.. time to upgrade to Hoary :)02:36
BrianB04Is Hoary safe?02:36
idiotthoreauputic, it knows automatically then there is no make file? I see with apt-build there is one, but I want to use dpkg buile02:36
LovechildBrianB04, crossing the street isn't safe.. why would a development branch be?02:36
smurfixBrianB04: define "safe"02:36
BrianB04Not gonna blow up my computer02:36
BrianB04That's safe02:36
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thoreauputicidiot: umm.... I can't see the point of reaching for tiny improvements in performance02:37
BrianB04Okay, that's fine. It's an expensive laptop...don't want it melted. Now, if it blows up the OS, oh well, I try do that on occasion02:37
idiotthoreauputic, even so, do you know where i would look to change my settings/02:37
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LovechildBrianB04, how can you put a price on fun02:38
BrianB04Ummm, 1500 is more than fun is worth;)02:38
thoreauputicidiot: no, I've never bothered with that stuff and truthfully I think it's a waste of time02:38
LovechildBrianB04, true.. *it came out of the box like that..*02:38
idiotthoreauputic, have you used Yoper?02:39
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LovechildBrianB04, common spammers trick to keep it on the top of the pile02:39
Lovechildermo, well hello.. do I know you?02:40
BrianB04Now, to start playing with GNU arch, which is one the reasons I started trying Linux02:40
suposAnyone know where I would look for sound configuration files in Knoppix? Sound works in Knoppix, but not in Ubuntu, so I figured since they're both Debian based, I might be able to just copy the conf files...02:40
Falstiusidiot, compiling for generic 686 instead of generic 486 doesn't make much difference.  From what I've heard, Yoper gets most of its speed from using prelink02:41
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ermoLovechild, if you frequent aauug then yes, there's a fair chance that you do. Furthermore, if you are intrigued by GNUStep I'm almost certain that we've corresponded before.02:41
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Lovechildermo, aauug yes, GNUstep no, I'm strictly a GNOME guy02:41
bob2xukun: yes02:41
bob2idiot: there isn't one02:41
bob2idiot: if you want that, use gentoo02:42
ermoLovechild, hm. Let me check my archives02:42
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bob2idiot: if you want to use it occasionally on ubuntu, look at pentium-builder ( a package)02:42
idiotFalstius, unfortunately prelink seems to crash my box all the time, and others as well, but Im a free as in beer person for the most part and Yoper is going to start selling there services, and well theres alot of other reasons why im using Ubuntu02:42
bob2xukun: reinstalling is the simple solution02:42
FalstiusYoper sells support, not the distro02:42
xukunbob2: if I had root user this wouldnt be a prblem to fix yes?02:43
Falstiusprelink is supposed to be "safe"02:43
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idiotbob2, ya ive seen that, right now im using apt-fu. seems to do the job, but whats the point if im just compiling for 486 -0202:43
bob2xukun: no, it would still be really annoying to fix02:43
bob2idiot: what's the point of recompiling packages at all?02:43
Falstiusspeaking of which, I'm going to reboot to ubuntu so I can try prelinking it.02:44
bob2idiot: do you really know that any other setting will get you a useful performance boost?02:44
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xukunbob2: it see02:44
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bob2prelinking should not making anything crash02:44
bob2it's a grave bug at least if it does02:44
idiotFalstius, I may be wrong but I thought they were going to sell their distro soon, or a pro version, and they have a lot of missing packages and not as myany security or bug fixes as as Ubuntu02:44
bob2supos: this is with a ISA sound card?02:45
suposbob2: Yes02:45
jdubidiot: on the front page of the website, it makes it pretty clear that ubuntu will always be free of charge...02:45
BrianB04Dumb question: Does Hoary have Firefox 1?02:45
idiotbob2, ive seen others with same prob on google02:45
DespairBrianB04: still on a patched up RC, afaik.02:46
bob2idiot: then surely one of you have filed bug reports?02:46
BrianB04I'm almost tempted to just install Firefox, and then symlink it over the preexisting binaries...but....02:46
jdubdon't bother with prelink02:46
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idiotbob2, ya we have02:46
idiotbob2, at least I think they had02:46
bob2right, of course02:46
idiotjdub, Im talking about Yoper02:46
bob2and now it won't be fixed, and people will see random hits on google for "omg lolz prelink ate my system"02:47
idiotanyhow I dont car about Yoper, I just want to know how to change it in my system02:47
ermoLovechild, David *Nej, jeg fr ikke penge for at skamrose Fedora* Nielsen ring a bell?02:47
Lovechildermo, hehe...02:47
Despairbob2: I've gotten a noticable performance (and quality) boost by compiling my own OpenAL, but that's not the norm. (need to file a bug about the torn-speaker-emulation ubuntu openal is doing, heh)02:47
suposbob2: If I load the same modules in ubuntu as in knoppix, I do get sound, but it is _very_ choppy, and obviously something is wrong02:47
ermoLovechild, that ermo02:47
idiotFalstius, you need to compile your software for prelihk see Gentoos how to02:47
bob2idiot: no you don't02:48
idiotPrelink is alot of work02:48
BrianB04Gentoo == Pain in the butt.02:48
bob2idiot: you prelink binaries02:48
ermoBrianB04, in what language?02:48
bob2that's what it does02:48
Lovechildermo, okay then, Ubuntu and Fedora are both fine distros02:48
LovechildBrianB04, be nice..02:48
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bob2Despair: if it's a significant boost, it's possible for ubuntu (and/or debian) to provide versions compiled for i586 or 686 or whatever and have them automagically used02:48
BrianB04ermo, I think it's some weird language that comes from an island...somewhere in the pacific. All I mean, is that Gentoo seems to randomly break packages, which are then fixed like 2 days later. Too cutting edge for my taste.02:49
idiotbob2, im not pulling this out of my ass, just look at Gentoo's site its alot of work02:49
ermoBrianB04, hehe02:49
bob2idiot: well, I don't know what some random gentoo site says, but prelinking prelinks existing binaries02:49
Despairbob2: biggest problem is that they need to use a more recent cvs openal, there's been a lot of bugs fixed since the last release.02:49
bob2that's what it does02:50
BrianB04Plus, updating the system can be risky. Whereas with Debian...it just does it.02:50
bob2Despair: does sid have the newere version?02:50
Lovechildas an old Gentoo user I'll stay out of this02:50
BrianB04Man, I wish I could get my laptop's volume control to work under Ubuntu, but I don't even know where to begin to look for info02:50
idiotbob2, not some random site, the main homesite02:50
Despairbob2: I don't think so. I was playing with OpenAL and compiling it myself, when I used debian, so I stopped tracking the debian package...02:50
bob2idiot: well, that doesn't make them less wrong02:50
Lovechildjdub, so any more peice of pipka that needs fixing before the wedding?02:51
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BrianB04It works out of the box on Windows, so it's not some weird driver...02:51
gluonis anyone else having troubles with CUPS?02:51
bob2idiot: if you mean http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/prelink-howto.xml, then it doesn't seem to say you need to compile anything02:51
gluonit detects >10 USB ports on my computer02:52
bob2Despair: http://packages.debian.org/src:openal02:52
gluonand printing fails due to that02:52
bob2Despair: if unstable has the version you'd like, you can ask for it to be synced into hoary02:52
Falstiusbob2, prelink just adds some metainformation to binaries to let them know where to hook into .so files02:52
Falstiusno need to compile02:52
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BrianB04The way you do prelink under Gentoo, is add it to the USE make.conf opts, however...that's really dangerous cause it can break PAM02:53
BrianB04And I'm sure other packages.02:53
BrianB04PAM I know from experience though02:53
Despairbob2: hmm, the unstable one is probably in better shape, at least.02:53
idiotbob2,  like my name says, anyways, It would still be nice to know where to find these settings02:54
bob2Falstius: yes, I know, idiot is claiming you have to recompile everything02:54
bob2idiot: what settings?02:54
Despairbob2: there's some other gotchas. if you enable the assembly, openal used to conjure ominous electronic god-mosquitos of doom. :)02:54
idiotim wrong everybody sorry02:54
bob2Despair: haha02:54
Falstiusheh, gentoo, if it moves compile it. (I use gentoo)02:54
Despair(I made that comment to OpenAL's main developer, and he knew exactly what I was talking about :)02:54
LovechildFalstius, bringing a whole new meaning to the term a moving target02:55
BrianB04Now, to remember how to add items in the Gnome menu....02:55
xukunbob2: in the beginning when I started linux(few months ago) I started using knoppix, but I asked a quation in #debian then peaple shouted at me if I said I use knoppix, you where also there(very helpfull for me) now I see you here in #ubuntu. I wonder why?02:55
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bob2xukun: they shout at you because lots of people come in with knoppix-specific problems and ask for help, and then complain when they're asked to go to #knoppix instead02:56
FalstiusLovechild, thats just bad.02:56
bob2xukun: I apologise if I got annoyed at you for no reason02:56
bob2xukun: I've just been using ubuntu for a few months now and find this channel to be a great way to procrastinate ;-)02:57
Despairbob2: hmm, I'll check what fixes cvs OpenAL's had since then, if any...02:57
LovechildFalstius, then hit it with a club first.. hell my email is still provided by breakmygentoo - I'm a odd fella that way02:57
Falstiuswhat is bmg?  I saw that name for the first time today02:57
xukunbob2: read I wrote please U not annoyed me I said "you where very helpfull for me"02:57
bob2it's gentoo for the super-eleet02:57
LovechildFalstius, it's a project outside Gentoo that a few friends and I started to provide development packages and such02:58
bob2xukun: oh, I know, but I'm sometimes helpful while being annoyed :-)02:58
jcsprayon the subject of OpenAL, the latest cvs from opensource.creative.com works substantially better than the debian/ubuntu package for me.02:59
xukunbob2: :-)02:59
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bob2jcspray: so Despair is saying02:59
Falstiusspeaking of libraries, what is the command to display which libraries a binary depends on?03:01
bob2how far out fro ma release do you guys think they are?03:01
bob2Falstius: ldd /bin/blah03:01
jcspraythe deb package won't accept a dopplerfactor of 0.0, with 'interesting' results :-)03:01
Despairbob2: OpenAL does releases?03:01
idiotbob2, how long did it take you to know what your doing03:01
bob2Despair: hah03:02
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bob2Despair: that's not very encouraging03:02
bob2idiot: with linux or ubuntu?03:02
idiotbob2, lets say Debian in general03:02
idiotbob2, or linux03:02
bob2idiot: few months to be able to use it, 4 years to get where I am now03:03
bob2haven't really used anything else in 2 years or so03:03
BrianB04bob2: So you use only Linux?03:03
idiotbob2, well its been two year now for me and Im still nowhere03:03
idiotBrianB04, I do now, thats whats making me crazy03:04
bob2BrianB04: yes03:04
bob2idiot: using which distribution?03:04
BrianB04Right now, my laptop will be completly Linux for devel, my desktop, now that I don't game all that much, might slowly become Linux only.03:04
idiotbob2, BrianB04, thats because I still really know what IM doing, and I want everyhting to work, and if it doesnt Ill come ask you LOL!03:04
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idiotbob2, well first I decided on Fedora, removed that03:05
idiotbob2, anyway Ive decided on Ubuntu. or Debian to say the least03:06
idiotbob2, IVe tried them all practivally03:06
BrianB04Debian is a good distro. Easy to update, stable...and apt-get is a dream03:06
bob2Debian is not good for new users, tho03:07
bob2since the amount of work you have to put in to get a usable system is pretty high03:07
Treenaksbob2: yes it is03:07
idiotBrianB04, but Ubuntu is more bleeding edge support03:07
bob2and can be very frustrating03:07
Treenaksbob2: if the person is serious about learning03:07
BrianB04Ubuntu takes care of some of that.03:07
bob2Treenaks: s/tho/IMHO/03:07
FalstiusI wish apt-cache search was as nice as emerge -s03:07
idiotbob2, Redhat, Fedora is bloat,03:07
gluonI personally find Gentoo easier to use, but compiling everything is a waste of time & energy03:07
bob2Treenaks: I'm an enormous debian fanboy and I still think the curve is too steep for people brand new to linux03:07
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bob2Falstius: what doesn't it do?03:08
Despairbob2: I don't see anything critical that's changed, there's some removed headers and corrections in the headers, but 20040909 should work fine, as long as it's properly configured.03:08
idiotgentoo is to long to setup03:08
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idiotand you need a highspeed connectiohn03:08
jdubplease leave out the distro discussion03:08
jdubit's better left elsewhere03:08
Falstiusbob2, it doesn't have as many packages ;)  Seems like the descriptions aren't as complete and so its harder to search for things03:08
idiotdebian has more fixes than the niche distros03:08
bob2Despair: is there anything debian/ubuntu could improve in the default config?03:08
idiotlike Yoper03:08
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bob2Falstius: debian has more packages than any other OS, I'm not sure how universe stacks up against that03:09
Despairbob2: Dunno, hard for me to test right now, being on amd64 and not having gotten around to setting up an ia32 chroot yet... :)03:09
bob2Despair: ah03:10
idiotgentoo has alot in a package manager, slackware is decent, but no software compared to debian.03:10
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BrianB04Hmmm, maybe Ubuntu's packages don't have GNU arch...03:10
jdubBrianB04: tla03:10
BrianB04Oh, yea, tla03:11
jdubBrianB04: and see bazaar.canonical.com for packages of baz03:11
Despairbob2: main thing is to avoid `--enable-archasm` in the configure options. :)03:11
netmonkwhat do I use to erase w cd-rw?03:11
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Falstiusbob2, I only have anecdotal evidence but ubuntu-universe is relatively small.  Thats okay03:14
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deFryskDebian Sarge focuses on easy installation according to http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39173518,00.htm03:15
bob2Falstius: it contains 14 000 packages03:15
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deFryskwe'll see03:16
jdubFalstius: compared to? there's not much in there that hasn't built...03:16
LathiatdeFrysk: old news and ubuntu uses the same installer their talking about (more or less) :)03:17
Lathiatwith lots of extra stuff, but its absed off03:17
deFryskLathiat, I see03:17
bob2well, lots of less stuff03:17
Falstiusjdub, compared to Gentoo.  But I was just making a joke.  I just find apt-cache search disapointing.03:18
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bob2Falstius: gentoo has more than 14 000 packages?03:18
ElRatonI created #ubuntu-fr, and I'm subscribed to the ubuntu-fr mailing list...03:19
ElRatoni'm building http://ubuntu-fr.sitlib.org/wiki/, and i'd like to have a CNAME from fr.ubuntu.com to ubuntu-fr.sitlib.org03:20
ElRatonwho do I need to ask to ?03:20
Falstius7998 according to the gentoo site03:21
Falstiusso no, it doesn't have more.  Seems like when I check portage though I find the package I'm looking for and not when I check apt.03:21
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Falstiusbut as I said, my real complaint is the descriptions and not the number of packages.03:23
bob2ElRaton: I guess jdub03:23
scoonFalstius: did you run gentoo ? is so, why did you switch ?03:23
xukunI,m installing ubuntu, at what stage can I change the sources.lost to hoary?03:24
bob2xukun: you can try the alpha hoary install disks03:24
bob2xukun: or just finish the base install and switch then03:24
ElRatonbob2, thx03:24
ElRatonjdub, online please ?03:24
Falstiusscoon, I still run gentoo.  I haven't switched.  I'm just playing with Ubuntu and considering it for my parents.03:24
jdubElRaton: why a separate wiki?03:25
scoonFalstius; right on03:25
ElRatonjdub, it's the beginning of a complete portal03:25
FalstiusI gave them a rather nice computer which is not so clogged with virus and spam that it is now useless.  So instead I want to set them up with a nice linux03:25
ElRatonjdub, for the channel, for the mailing list, with blogs links, tips, ...03:25
FalstiusUbuntu is easy and not as cluttered (confusing) as other distros.03:26
jdubElRaton: probably the kind of thing that should be on the ubuntu website :)03:26
ElRatonjdub, I know03:26
ermoLovechild, I'm noticing a difference in what kind of questions are asked in #ubuntu vs. #fedora03:26
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Falstiuser, the computer is now so clogged03:26
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xukunbob2: that would changing warty to hoary in the sources.list?03:26
ElRatonjdub, but that's a good thing to show people take part of the Ubuntu distribution03:26
bob2xukun: yes, but hoary has no security fixes03:26
ElRatonjdub, not only the core team03:27
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yeah_rubyermo, so what's it? :)03:27
ElRatonjdub, and I think it's a way to have real communities03:27
ermoyeah_ruby, ahem.03:27
jdubElRaton: the ubuntu website is editable by non 'core team' people03:27
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ElRatonjdub, I mean, I can't include http://ubuntu-fr.sitlib.org/bot/ubuntu-fr-current.png on the main website ;)03:27
ermoyeah_ruby, let's not go there, ok?03:27
ElRatonjdub, yes, it is.03:27
xukunbob2: so I need the security fix then I should stick with warty?03:27
ElRatonjdub, but it is not in french ;)03:28
yeah_rubyalright :) thanks twice then03:28
jdubElRaton: it is fully translatable03:28
ElRatonjdub, and, i'd like to make a "your screenshots" part, ...03:28
bob2xukun: yes03:28
ElRatonjdub, to translate the wiki interface ?03:28
jdubElRaton: the rest of the site; the wiki itself isn't translatable yet (but there are non-english pages in there already)03:29
ElRatonjdub, I know them, of course03:29
jdubElRaton: please mail lu@canonical.com Louise McCance-Price about it03:29
ElRatonok, thx03:29
jdubElRaton: it's preferable that we have one location for this stuff03:29
ElRatonjdub, at this time, you don't agree with the idea ?03:29
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jdubi think it's better to use the ubuntu site instead of making too many separate sites, yes.03:30
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geccohi everybody03:33
geccocan anybody help me with a problem with ubuntu linux?03:34
bob2just ask03:34
geccoi want to mount a fat32-partition03:34
bob2/dev/hda-whatever /mnt/whatever vfat rw,umask=002 0 003:35
bob2replace the first two columns with appriroate values03:35
bob2put it in /etc/fstab03:35
bob2run "sudo mount /mnt/whatever"03:35
deFryskexample : /dev/hda5               /mnt/hda5               vfat    user,umask=000  0 003:36
deFrysksudo mkdir /mnt/hda503:36
deFryskmount /mnt/hda503:36
deFryskfirst line is for fstab03:37
Falstiusdmask=0,fmask=111 saves you from having a bunch of "executable" text files.03:37
geccook i will try03:37
deFryskgecco, have fun ;p03:37
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leonelfirefox  1.0 for ubuntu ?  where ?03:39
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deFryskleonel, nowhere03:40
bob2if you really want 1.0, get the tarball from mozilla.org and install it to /usr/local/03:40
lmlI am trying to get 2 bt878 cards working in Ubuntu, but I am having trouble with /dev/dsp devices. The video is working but there is only one /dev/dsp available.03:41
Treenakslml: /dev/dsp is deprecated03:41
scoonTreenaks: but alsa still offers oss paths for backwards compatibility03:42
Treenaksscoon: yes, for now..03:42
lmlTreenaks: what is the alternative?03:43
Treenakslml: ALSA03:43
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geccohow do i insert /home/gecco # /dev/hda5 /mnt/hda5 vfat rw, umask=002 0 0 in /etc/fstab?03:44
bob2sudo nano /etc/fstab03:44
bob2but you don't want a space between rw, and umask03:44
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lmltreenaks: how do ALSA present the dsp of the bt878 cards?03:45
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geccono space between?03:45
Treenakslml: I don't know03:45
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leonelbob2 , deFrysk : can I install from Debian Sid ?03:45
scoonlml: alsa creates a layer that masks as oss for things that need it03:45
leonelthere's on SID already03:46
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bob2leonel: yes, but if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces03:46
scoonlml: here is the best resource: http://www.alsa-project.org/03:46
bob2if it's in sid it'll be in hoary soon03:46
geccook now i see the following. What to do now?03:47
gecco# /etc/fstab: static file system information.03:47
gecco# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>03:47
geccoproc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       003:47
gecco/dev/hda5       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       103:47
gecco/dev/hda6       none            swap    sw              0       003:47
gecco/dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       003:47
thoreauputicgecco: you read the channel topic :/03:47
geccoyes.... it said support... ;-)03:48
geccoand i need support, because i'm new on linux03:48
Falstiusgecco, the bit about not pasting stuff into the channel.03:48
leonelbob2: so there won't be a firefox 1.0 for  ubuntu ?03:48
bob2leonel: of course ther will be03:49
bob2leonel: it won't go into warty, tho03:49
leonelthat's what I meant03:49
bob2warty doesn't get ne software03:49
bob2er, new03:49
geccosorry for pasting....... can anybody help me in a private chat session?03:49
bob2that's what stable means03:49
bob2gecco: keep it on-channel so everyon can hel pyou03:50
leonelbob2: I forgot je03:50
deFryskgecco paste it in pastebin.com03:50
deFryskand give the url03:50
bob2or #flood03:51
deFryskor what bob sayd03:51
Falstiusjoin #flood03:51
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deFryskbob2 even03:51
thoreauputicgecco: just use your arrow keys to go down to a new line, add your new line to /etc/fstab, then save and quit nano03:51
Falstiusheh, haven't used IRC for years.  out of practice with me /s ;)03:51
deFryskctrl-x saves03:51
deFryskotherwise use gedit03:52
thoreauputicdeFrysk: well, it prompts to save03:52
deFrysksudo gedit blah03:52
deFryskthoreauputic, agree03:52
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xukunwhen I shut the system down I still have to push the power to get it shut, is there a way to fix this?03:57
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Lathiatxukun: is it a computer or a laptop?03:58
Lathiatprobaly something weird not having acpi or apm support or something03:58
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Lathiatxukun: is it a newer computer? (some older computers dont have auto shut off..)03:58
xukuna P3 500mhz pc03:58
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bob2xukun: add "apm" on a line by itself to /etc/modules03:58
bob2it should power off after your next reboot03:59
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xukunbob2: I should vi /etc/modules and then add apm yes?04:02
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jindWhat is the largest partition size for vfat?04:05
bob2xukun: yes04:05
bob2jind: depends on if you want windows to be able to use it or not04:05
xukunbob2: thanks04:05
jindI need windows to use it yes04:06
neuro_FAT16 max partition size is 2GB, 4GB when using XP04:08
neuro_FAT32 theorietically is 8TB, but win2k can't write out larger than 32GB04:09
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jcsprayI had a 50 gig vfat partition that windows could see, that was created with parted.  YMMV.04:11
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xaerois Ubuntu/AMD64 easy to set up with an ia32-chroot I can run Cedega in?04:24
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cenerentolaHi there...04:27
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Mannyhi :)04:28
cenerentolacan someone tell me the meaning and the consequences.. of this report:04:28
cenerentolacenerentola@anotherworld:~ $ dmesg | grep ipw04:28
cenerentolaipw2100: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2100 Network Driver, 0.5304:28
cenerentolaipw2100: Copyright(c) 2003-2004 Intel Corporation04:28
cenerentolaipw2100: 0000:02:0a.0: Detected at mem: 0xC2005000-0xC2005FFF -> f0b23000, irq: 1104:28
cenerentolaipw2100: IRQ ignored04:28
cenerentolaipw2100: IRQ ignored04:28
cenerentolaipw2100: IRQ ignored04:28
cenerentolahi manny04:28
Mannyis there any alsa auto configuration script?04:28
Lathiatcenerentola: is it causing a problem?04:28
cenerentolawell i cant use the wifi04:29
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Mannywhile ubuntu seems to be pretty good at detecting hardware (hotplug etc.), my soundcard was installed after the installation and isn't used, although the relevant modules where modprobed automagically04:30
Lathiatcenerentola: well no idea then what the problem is04:30
Mannymy guess is that some alsa configuration file has to be written04:30
cenerentolalathiat: the fact is that with static conf or dhcp... it cant receive packets..04:31
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deFryskManny, run alsamixer , when done alsactr store04:31
Lathiatcenerentola: right so its broken, tought bickies04:32
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deFryskalsactl store , sorry04:32
cenerentolalathiat: it works with windows...04:32
Mannyalsactl: save_state:1061: No soundcards found...04:32
Lathiati was talking about the driver04:32
Lathiatuse ndiswrapper04:32
Lathiatif it works in indows that should work then04:32
deFryskManny, than you have a prob...04:33
Mannydunno what the criterion for detecting soundcards is04:33
scoonanyone here use xbindkeys04:33
cenerentolalathiat... ill try thx04:33
Mannyin my opinion, it writes some file to /etc/alsa. I've dpkg-reconfigured some packages as well04:33
Mannyalsa-base, alsa-utils that is04:33
Mannys^it writes^it should have written04:34
deFryskI have to make some food04:34
MannydeFrysk good idea04:34
joolzsmakelijk :)04:34
deFryskManny, good luck04:34
deFryskjoolz, dank je04:34
MannydeFrysk but remember: good food means tasteful food, neither much nor cheap food04:34
thoreauputicManny: have you tried running alsaconf ?04:35
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Mannythoreauputic no. None of the debs provided it04:35
Mannythoreauputic where is it?04:35
Mannyshould it be in alsa-utils?04:36
cenerentolathoreaupeutic: any hint for me?04:37
Mannylet me try sudo apt-get install --reinstall alsa-utils04:37
thoreauputicManny: yes, here it's in alsa-utils04:37
Mannyhopefully no disk breakage04:37
thoreauputicManny: but this is debian, not ubuntu04:37
Mannythoreauputic how can I traceback where a file came from with debian means? I used to use packages.debian.org.04:37
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thoreauputicManny: if it's installed, dpkg -S alsaconf will show it04:38
GFXstyLERjust tried to install debian  .. never felt like such a noob :D i guess ill use ubuntu, seems a lot of easier04:38
Mannythoreauputic thanks04:38
lemsx1$> dpkg -S /usr/sbin/alsaconf04:39
lemsx1alsa-utils: /usr/sbin/alsaconf04:39
MannyLANG=C dpkg -S alsaconf04:39
Mannydpkg: *alsaconf* not found.04:39
lemsx1Manny, install alsa-utils04:39
Mannylemsx1: I just did sudo apt-get install --reinstall alsa-utils04:39
Mannymy first guess was "it isn't in your path man"04:40
siulcaI am right now downloading Ubuntu installation CD. I'm going to replace Fedora C2. Any advice before I start installation?04:40
lemsx1Manny, :-) perhaps /usr/sbin is for root (and sudo uses it)04:40
lemsx1Manny, sudo alsaconf should work04:40
scoonanyone use xbindkeys ?04:40
Mannylemsx1: I know UNIX :)04:40
lemsx1scoon, you shouldn't use that04:40
Mannylemsx1: there simply is no /usr/sbin/alsaconf04:41
scoonlemsx1: how come04:41
lemsx1scoon, metacity does some keybindings for you04:41
thoreauputiclemsx1, no, dpkg -S shows he doesn't have it on his system :/04:41
lemsx1scoon, what do you want to "bind" ?04:41
scoonlemsx1: not enuff04:41
scoonlemsx1: i have a logitech mx900 and metacity does not bind enuff for me.04:41
lemsx1Manny, no offense, is that this is a "newbie" channel and people something don't know... :-) i always assume the worse here and be as explicit as possible04:42
Mannythis is very weird04:42
siulcano advice?04:42
scoonlemsx1: i need to use xmodmap to get keycodes mapped to the correct keys.04:42
thoreauputicManny: seems like alsa-utils is broken...04:42
lemsx1scoon, create a Xmodmap file and put it in /etc/X11/Xmodmap it will work04:42
Mannycould anybody who is on ubuntu please enter dpkg -S alsaconf in a shell?04:42
lemsx1scoon, you can use xkeycaps04:43
scoonhave an xmodmap file.  should NOT need to put it global, have and it does not work.04:43
lemsx1scoon, oops. not that. let me look it up04:43
GFXstyLERdoes there exist some kind of .mp3 plugin for ubuntu ?04:43
scoonlemsx1: the real crux of the problem is these kb operate in both blue tooth and ir modes.04:43
kentGFXstyLER, gstreamer-mad04:43
lemsx1Manny, that's weird indeed... i'm a debian user of course :-) (vanilla debian)04:43
kentGFXstyLER, read the homepage (its in the restricted section or something)04:44
lemsx1Manny, alsaconf used to be part of alsa-conf or something like that... (alsa-base?)04:44
Mannylemsx1: I used to be, until my system got more and more unstable (well, I was on unstable), but foo04:44
scoonlemsx1: i use bluetooth and the mappings change slightly.  i think that may have something to do with it.04:44
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lemsx1scoon, did you try the Gnome's keyboard control panel? it does some xmodmap for you04:45
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scoonand that is why i use xbindkyes04:45
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gendo you guys know of any unrar utility with a gui04:45
Mannygen: file-roller04:45
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Mannyfile-roller is a GUI to unrar, that is04:46
lemsx1scoon, indeed, the app is called xkeycaps04:46
scoonlemsx1: hopefully it will work better than xbindkeys04:46
scoonlemsx1: thanks04:46
lemsx1scoon, with it you can create a nice Xmodmap and place it in /etc/X11/Xmodmap (with the same case)04:46
genmanny: doesn't work correct for these rar packages04:46
scoonlemsx1: except i don't like installing globally04:46
lemsx1scoon, i do that for some of my keys to be used for all users of this system04:46
netmonkDoes anyone know how can change the login screen of ubuntu?04:46
scoonlemsx1: just my little thing that i prescribe to.04:46
Mannygen: if a rar archive is broken, the GUI won't help04:47
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Mannytry cp'ing and repairing it04:47
lemsx1netmonk, gdmsetup04:47
netmonk10x lemsx104:47
MannyI've never succeeded, but it's worth a try04:47
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Mannygen: copy04:47
arun--real player 8 is installed default in ubuntu, how do i know if the plugin for realplayer is installed for firefox?04:48
scoonlemsx1: thanks but that won't work for me either.  if xmodmap won't do it then neither will its gui frontend04:48
genmanny: copy what?04:48
Mannygen: the archive, before repairing it04:48
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Mannybecause repairing changes it04:48
Mannyand might damage it04:48
kentarun--,  type about:plugins  in the browser..04:48
Mannyarun-- kent is very much right04:48
gennot understanding, repair what though04:48
Mannykent is godlike :)04:48
Mannygen: the archive04:49
lemsx1scoon, i meant to create a global xmodmap ... if you don't want it global, then create one and call it ~/.xmodmap-mine and then have a startup script call: xmodmap ~/.xmodmap-mine04:49
Mannybecause it is very likely to be broken04:49
GFXstyLERthx guys it works04:49
GFXstyLERthank you very much ;)04:49
MannyGFXstyLER well, you could in turn design ubuntu artwork :)04:49
scoonlemsx1: i have done that already.  i think the problem is with the gnome-session manager and the fact that my keyboards are newer than what is in xfree04:49
arun--kent: thank yo :) libnullplugin.so only this is installed04:50
scoonlemsx1: this has been an ongoing problem for me w/ these kb's.  i had this problem with gentoo as well.04:50
GFXstyLERyes i have to get familiar with gimp204:50
scoonlemsx1: xorg makes them work a bit better but i will stick with stable ubuntu for a bit.04:50
GFXstyLERi know blender already ;) so if you want i try to make some artwork04:50
lemsx1scoon, k, good choice04:50
scoonlemsx1: thanks for your time04:51
amiroffHello dear Ubuntu users, I installed Ubuntu 2 days ago and I'll have some questions here04:51
amiroffmy main problem with ubuntu is localization04:51
amiroffhow do I enable Azeri locale? anyone has any advices?04:52
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deFrysksudo dpkg-reconfigure locales04:52
deFryskand see if its there04:52
deFryskon to my kitchen ;p04:52
amiroffdeFrysk: it doesn't seem so04:53
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GFXstyLERok i have my old problem with the notebook again ..04:54
GFXstyLERit hangs at boot: grub loading ,please wait ...04:54
lemsx1amiroff, if you know the letters for your locale, you can manually edit /etc/locale.gen and re-run localegen04:54
lemsx1amiroff, read /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED04:55
arun--what is this rpl8 in /usr/sbin dir, is it not realplayer 8?04:55
amiroffI run for example LANG=az nautilus, and it throws different errors in terminal saying that locale is not supported by C04:55
kentGFXstyLER, A friend of mine had that problem aswell. he could install it, but never got passed that bit. I dont know whats causing it.04:55
amirofflemsx1: ok, thanks04:55
GFXstyLERis there some workaround for this? maybe a special way to boot or something like that04:55
kentamiroff, perhaps there is no translation for your language?04:55
scoonlemsx1: so the funny problem that i have is that if i log out and log back in, the keys need to be remapped04:55
amiroffkent, I am the GNome translator and translations are 100% complete :)04:56
scoonlemsx1: a pain, but i will just remap them each time.04:56
XenguyGFXstyLER: I had a problem with GRUB (just took me to a GRUB 'prompt'); I re-installed, using 'expert' install, and used LILO instead -- that worked for me, but doesn't sound like exactly the same problem you're having04:56
lemsx1scoon, but a startup script works fine?04:56
kentGFXstyLER, if you could try another distribution (or another kernel) and see if it works, then you could file a bug in Ubuntu..04:56
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GFXstyLERi can use any other distribution04:56
lemsx1amiroff, in that case you don't need the locales04:56
GFXstyLERbut they always use lilo04:56
GFXstyLERi try that, thanks :D04:57
scoonlemsx1: the thing is, if i startup before metacity, gnome will not boot.  so when metacity starts, the keys are not mapped yet.04:57
lemsx1amiroff, all you need is to set your LANG and LANGUAGE environmental variables (gnome and gtk apps care about that variable only)04:57
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scoonlemsx1: it is all timing.  and a pain in the but04:57
kentGFXstyLER, then there is a problem with Ubuntu and you should file a bugreport.  I should have done it when my friends laptop refused to work, but i did not have the time.04:57
GFXstyLERok ill do that04:57
lemsx1scoon, ahh, i get it04:57
amirofflemsx1: when I do that, it throws error saying that specified locale is not supported by C library :)04:58
scoonlemsx1: annoying, huh.04:58
lemsx1amiroff, but the gtk apps show translated ?04:58
amirofflemsx1: no, they just show up in English04:59
amiroffwhen I try the same on say fedora or mandrake they show up in Azerbaijani04:59
amiroffbut somehow on Debian, Mepis and Ubuntu I cannot get it to work04:59
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lemsx1amiroff, you are definitely doing something wrong... you should be able to, from a terminal, do: LANG=xx gcalctool05:00
lemsx1and that should show in whatever language you choose in xx05:00
amirofflemsx1: just try it yourself, we have the same Ubuntu right?05:00
amirofflemsx1: say LANG=az gedit and see what happens05:00
lemsx1amiroff, oops, sorry, i ment LANGUAGE=xx05:00
lemsx1amiroff, it doesn't matter what you use, this is from gtk2 library which all distributions use05:01
lemsx1amiroff, LANGUAGE=az gedit05:01
amirofflemsx1: the result is same here, actually LANGUAGE is used by more recent apps, can you try it too please?05:02
amiroffif it shows ok there, I do something wrong :(05:02
lemsx1amiroff, i just did  LANGUAGE=ja gedit and everything was in japanese05:02
amiroffLOL :))))05:02
amiroffthis means japanese locales are installed ?05:02
lemsx1amiroff, i do this all the time. i'm project manager for Polidori, a DVD authoring app for Gnome that's work in progress05:03
amiroffcan you try LANGUAGE=az for me?05:03
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lemsx1amiroff, i don't have az locales here (i use localepurge which purges all locale files that are not in /etc/locale.gen)05:03
lemsx1amiroff, to save space in my computer :-)05:03
amirofflemsx1: cheater :))05:03
lemsx1amiroff,  ;-)05:04
amirofflemsx1: are you in Gnome right now?05:04
lemsx1amiroff, i can only remember a subset of all the world's knowledge... i have to skim the rest out of my life05:04
amirofflemsx1: sure :)05:05
lemsx1amiroff, always05:05
amirofflemsx1: so could you try adding "az" keyboard layout in addition to "en" and see if it gives error05:05
lemsx1amiroff, env var LANGUAGE is old stuff it works for very old code (even Perl :-) )05:05
amiroffI installed Ubuntu on 3 systems and all they give error about X server05:05
LinuxJoneslemsx1, what's the name of the dvd authoring app...what't the website ?05:05
otakgod>_< someone can help me? I get ubuntu this weekend and I want to install xvid codecs and a p2p like emule.. but everything I do , ubuntu say an error, and in synaptic  aren't nothing... can someone help me please?05:05
lemsx1amiroff, that's the xlib giving you errors... xlib is tricky when it doesn't understand your locales05:06
lemsx1LinuxJones, http://polidori.sf.net Polidori. i'm working on that as we speak ;-) adding some new stuff05:06
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lemsx1for all you to know, there is a new vulnerability in the linux kernel for all kernels older than 2.6.905:07
amirofflemsx1: is there any i18n channel I can visit and ask more people?05:07
lemsx1root exploit is possible for all local users :-) serious stuff05:07
Buzzzis there a new "official" ubuntu kernel?05:08
lemsx1amiroff, i'm not sure... i don't know much about i18n translations.. i'm just a C/C++ programmer who have to deal with this every now and then05:08
suposAny of you guys got abiword installed? I'm getting a _very_ strange bug, and it would be cool to find out if it's just me experiencing this...05:08
lemsx1Buzzz, not sure. i always compile the latest from kernel.org05:09
amirofflemsx1: it's ok, thanks you very much for your help05:09
Buzzzlemsx1, ok we have to wait and see then.05:09
lemsx1amiroff, no problem05:10
otakgod^^' gracias por la ayuda gente ^^'05:10
lemsx1Buzzz, waiting is not good if you have a multi-user system... you have to get the patch and patch your own ubuntu kernel sources... it should be simple05:10
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thoreauputicsupos: I have abiword, but probably an earlier version than yours05:11
amulemsx1: what i must do, in order to use this new expolit ?05:11
lemsx1Buzzz, http://securitytracker.com/alerts/2004/Nov/1012165.html05:11
lemsx1amu, :-D you are good uh05:11
thoreauputicsupos: what do you want to reproduce/check?05:11
lemsx1amu, don't worry i'm updating all my servers as we speak :-) i won't give you chance to try it05:12
lemsx1amu, lol05:12
amulemsx1: ? you say there's a new exploit in the kernel ? did you checked the ubuntu kernel ? how did you checked it ? a normal question ??05:12
lemsx1amu, j/k05:12
otakgod^^' well ja ne people... thanks for your attendece05:12
lemsx1amu, i didn't check the ubuntu kernel. i just know this is new (november 10) and it's possible it applies to all of you (not me, i have 2.6.9 for days already)05:13
suposthoreauputic: I open a new abiword, type any number of letters greater that 1, the press space. That makes abiword open a new instance of abiword...05:13
lemsx1amu, read: http://securitytracker.com/alerts/2004/Nov/1012165.html05:13
dstateyou'd think when someone says "ja ne" the rest of their line would be in japanese too05:13
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wasabiWhere is XKBstr.h in Xorg?05:14
thoreauputicsupos: bizarre05:14
lemsx1wasabi, find / XKBstr.h -print :-)05:14
suposthoreauputic: And that new instance produces the same behaviour. The first time it happened I ended up with four abiwords because I typed four words before I found out what was heppening05:15
suposthoreauputic: Very, and pretty much a show-stopper05:15
jcspraysupos: my default ubuntu abiword doesn't do that.05:15
thoreauputicsupos: oops05:15
wasabiwell for some reason a gtk+ compile isn't finding it05:15
suposjcspray: is it up to date?05:15
wasabiand it's not breaking on ./configure05:15
lemsx1you need -dev packages?05:15
wasabigot em.05:15
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LathiatAnyone here use tla/arch mirrored to a http repo?05:16
Lathiat(non webdav)05:16
jcspraysupos: 2.0.7+cvs.2004.05.05-1ubuntu305:16
suposjcspray: same as mine05:17
suposI'll try to purge then reinstall it05:17
supossee if it reproduces05:17
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GFXstyLERexpert mode install sure takes some time :D05:18
suposreinstalling didn't help :(05:20
suposAny ideas what might be wrong? Things to look for?05:21
jcsprayit doesn't do it if you type a space first?05:21
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suposjcspray: nope05:22
GFXstyLERHAHAHAHAA booting process of ubuntu works ;)05:22
jcsprayum, yes, HAHAHAHAA.05:23
amulemsx1: that is not sufficient, the developers are even in security teams, and know long before a nose become public. compare it with the debian kernel :)05:23
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jcspraysupos: that's deeply fucked up, I'd file a bug as major05:24
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arun--which software can play mpeg?05:25
danielswasabi: libxkbfile-dev, or xc/include/extensions05:25
GFXstyLERtotem ?05:25
ferry_supos: the same behaviour in abiword here, i did a fresh install yesterday05:25
arun--totem just crashed on me05:25
danielswasabi: you need to change the build-deps from xlibs-static-dev to libxkbfile-dev05:25
GFXstyLERi installed a few gstream additions and now it works05:25
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GFXstyLERor use xmms with mpeg plugin05:26
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suposferry_: I installed this one yesterday too05:26
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ferry_presing just spacebar in a new instance is enough to open another abiword here05:28
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suposWhat exactly is the universe repository? the buggy one is "abiword-gnome" from "main", whereas "abiword" from universe work fine05:29
Lathiatsupos: universe is packages built from debian main05:30
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suposLathiat: I thought it _was_ debian (testing) main, but it's only built from it?05:31
Lathiatit more or less is05:31
Lathiatbut theyre rebuilt05:31
Lathiatnot copied05:31
suposthe one that has the bug is pool/main/a/abiword/abiword-gnome_2.0.7+cvs.2004.05.05-1ubuntu3_i386.deb05:31
supospool/universe/a/abiword/abiword_2.0.7+cvs.2004.05.05-1ubuntu3_i386.deb is fine05:31
Lathiatso you can file a bug in bugzilla then05:31
suposLathiat: Will do that05:32
suposLathiat: I thought they were just copied05:32
xf_Lathiat: yo, hi05:32
Lathiatxf_: hey :)05:32
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xf_that laptop died05:33
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Lathiatwhat laptops that?05:33
xf_i ended up spilling coffee into it or something, i forget :p05:33
Lathiatthat one05:33
xf_the goat, the one you used @ lca05:33
Lathiatyou suck :P05:33
Lathiatim on a p266 now05:33
xf_not working with that company anymore05:33
xf_man, surely05:33
Lathiatgetting a nice new one for christmas tho :)05:33
xf_what do you do?05:33
Lathiatim finishing high school :)05:33
xf_somebody with your skills surely can get some contract work @ an isp or something05:33
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Lathiattwo more exams to go05:33
xf_fun, heh05:33
Lathiatxf_: i hope to in a couple weks05:33
Lathiatmy auntys buying me a nice new one tho :)05:33
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xf_ah, nice05:34
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xf_wish i had an aunty that did that :-p05:34
Lathiat1.6GHz Pentium-M, 512mb ram, bluetooth, intel wireless, 14.1" screen, light, 5-6 hours battery, dvd burner, etc :P05:34
Lathiatxf_: heh dont we all05:34
xf_closest thing was when i was like 12 my aunty had bigpond05:34
xf_i was on it all night one time at her house05:34
xf_didn't realise it was $8/hour or something05:34
GFXstyLERdoes anyone know how to use logitech eyetoy cam with linux? (works under win xp)05:34
Lathiatwell im living with my aunty05:34
xf_ah, i see05:34
Lathiatbasically my reward for not working this year and conetrating on school and finishing05:34
Lathiatif i had been working05:35
xf_what you doing after school?05:35
Lathiati would probably have one by now :)05:35
Lathiatuni, hopefully05:35
xf_ah, what course?05:35
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Lathiat(computer science & mathematics)05:35
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xf_cool, something specialised05:35
Lathiatfailing that just computer science05:35
xf_loads of people doing general it courses05:35
Lathiatand 3 different unis :)05:35
xf_seems pointless, they can't get jobs05:35
Lathiati want the maths cus im interested in it if nothing else05:35
Lathiati was doing 2nd/3rd year maths a couple weeks ago in my own time05:35
xf_do it, it'll mean more opportunities05:35
Lathiatlearning how various crypto algorithms work :)05:36
Lathiatand implementing them05:36
xf_yeah, did the same thing when i was at school05:36
xf_interesting stuff05:36
Lathiatmsh: woo my arch repo works now :)05:36
Lathiatgah wrong channel05:36
Lathiatxf_: whatcha been up to?05:37
xf_so much bloody work at the moment05:37
xf_which would be good if i could find decent employees05:37
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xf_stuck doing everything myself though atm05:38
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lemsx1amu, this is the patch: http://lwn.net/Articles/110898/05:38
littlegreenmanguys: i've installed ubuntu in english. Can I change the language now after the install?05:38
littlegreenmanif yes, how do i do that?05:39
xf_it'll be amusing in an ironic way if you get this laptop and it's got all these windows-only supported components :-p05:39
xf_some bizarre undocumented non-vesa compliant video card, for example05:39
Lathiatalread checked into that05:40
Lathiateven the modem works :)05:40
Lathiatonly clone on the vga out tho :(05:40
amulemsx1: that's pseudo security knowlegg05:40
xf_what brand?05:40
Lathiatdell (inspiron 510m)05:40
xf_& how much you paying, may i ask?05:40
xf_i can get toshibas cheap05:40
xf_ah, a dell05:40
Lathiat$2200 at the specs i want05:40
xf_i don't like dell's :)05:40
xf_what specs?05:40
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genibm is where its at05:41
lemsx1amu, why pseudo?05:41
xf_yeah, but ibm have nice price tags05:41
genthis is true05:41
xf_nice, as in, high :-)05:41
xf_you get what you pay for, i guess05:41
genyes, i know05:41
Lathiat1.6GHz Pentium-M (725, 400Mhz, 512k), 512MB RAM, DVD+/-RW, extra capacity primary battery, modular battery, bluetooth, intel 2100 wireless, 60GB HDD05:41
xf_i like toshiba for x86, cheap, sturdy, tends to work well in oss os's05:41
xf_hmm. shoot me an email, i'm positive i can get a toshiba that's the same/better than that for less05:42
Lathiatless would be good05:42
Lathiatwhat im really looking for is05:42
Lathiat<15", good battery life and bluetooth05:42
Lathiatif you can find that for less than 2200 id be interested05:42
xf_yeah, easy05:42
Lathiat(internal, bluetooth)05:42