[12:00] <d0gmaz> yeah :P
[12:00] <Taurendil> I upgraded to 1.0 though
[12:00] <d0gmaz> its version0.9.3
[12:00] <Zimpee> you don't help me again. how support channel is that?
[12:00] <Nefarous> speaking of, is it avaiable as a package (firefox 1.0?)
[12:01] <t17mh> d0gmaz: I don't know if this is what makes firefox behave right, but there's a gnome setting to use emacs-like keybindings which makes C-a and C-e work in Entry and TextBox widgets everywhere in Gnome.
[12:01] <Nefarous> srx33: let me look at my logs
[12:01] <srx33> Nefarous: ok
[12:01] <Taurendil> don't think so, I broke the .9.3 and had to do something
[12:01] <tuxx> Hiya kapputu
[12:01] <thoreauputic> Zimpee: patience
[12:01] <Taurendil> got it from the firefox website
[12:01] <d0gmaz> t17mh, you know how?
[12:02] <d0gmaz> worth a try
[12:02] <Taurendil> I kept having profile issues
[12:02] <t17mh> d0gmaz: I'm looking around for it... hang on a sec (or you can start looking too -either through desktop prefs or through gconf :)
[12:02] <Taurendil> installed as root, and ran first, crating default profile with root permissions, then running as user it would have a cow at me
[12:03] <Nefarous> srx33: nothign enlightening ... sorry ... need more detail I guess ... this gnoppix you're talking about ... hmmm, I guess I'm the wrong person :)
[12:03] <Zimpee> thoreauputic: you are working on it, or i just had to sit here and fall asleep in my chair? cos you had time to answer this, not to answer my question
[12:03] <srx33> Nefarous: hmm ok
[12:03] <thoreauputic> Zimpee: you are assuming I knew the answer
[12:04] <StarScream> whats the best java sdk for ppc?
[12:04] <thoreauputic> Zimpee: and the help in this channel is by  volunteers, so please adjust your attitude
[12:04] <ogra> wfx: i think its a rights prob.....
[12:04] <Zimpee> sorry. do you know the answer thoreauputic?
[12:05] <wfx> ogra, i have set to owner
[12:05] <ogra> wfx: have you loaded the @Config plugin ?
[12:05] <wfx> ogra, is up per default
[12:05] <thoreauputic> Zimpee: I don't, sorry - someone in the channel might if you wait a while
[12:05] <Zimpee> ok
[12:05] <Nefarous> StarScream: I've only heard of yellowdog's java sdk for ppc ...
[12:05] <Zimpee> i have time thoreauputic:) thank you
[12:06] <StarScream> hmm d?>o you have to have yellowdog for that
[12:06] <ogra> wxf Error: You don't have the 'owner' capability.
[12:06] <StarScream> bah
[12:06] <srx33> Nefarous: Which file in a linux system contains which starts up when booting? deamons etc.. ?
[12:06] <StarScream> for that?
[12:06] <t17mh> d0gmaz: In gconf... desktop->gnome->interface->gtk_key_theme = Emacs
[12:06] <t17mh> There's a nicer way to set it, but I can't find it now :(
[12:07] <Nefarous> srx33, it's debian based: it goes /etc/rcS.d/* and then /etc/rc2.d/* (all the files in there)
[12:07] <d0gmaz> t17mh, great!
[12:07] <d0gmaz> im happy man now :P
[12:07] <t17mh> d0gmaz: np. Hope it helps :) C-k works too :)
[12:07] <Nefarous> StarScream: sorry, haven't used it ... just heard about it
[12:08] <StarScream> np, thanks anyways
[12:09] <Nefarous> srx33: of course the real scripts are in /etc/init.d ... the rc files are symlinks ...
[12:09] <t17mh> I screwed up my menu by editing applications-all-users:///  Anyone know how I can reset it to the default?
[12:10] <stuNNed> holy cr*p, HoaryHedgehog isn't due out until April 4th!!
[12:10] <t17mh> stuNNed: ??? ubuntu has a regular release schedule, this shouldn't be a surprise :)
[12:10] <srx33> Nefarous: yeah..  I saw it sysklogd it says
[12:10] <stuNNed> t17mh, ok :)
[12:11] <stuNNed> t17mh, just upgraded both laptop and pc to HoaryHedgehog, a little suprised :)
[12:11] <wfx> ogra, #1 you must identify
[12:11] <ogra> i am
[12:12] <Zimpee> i am waiting patiently...
[12:12] <fissy> anyone tried to get a kodak 3500 to work in ubuntu?
[12:12] <Nefarous> srx33: appears to be the first service in runlevel 2 ... bummer ... still a long way to go.
[12:12] <d0gmaz> where can i get x.org? or is it way too buggy?
[12:12] <Nefarous> fissy: I took the easy road, bought a USB card reader ...
[12:12] <fissy> hmm
[12:13] <thoreauputic> Zimpee: maybe ask your question again in a few minutes :)
[12:13] <fissy> money
[12:13] <Zimpee> i did thoreauputic few times. thougt it is useful:)
[12:13] <Nefarous> fissy: what path are you taking to read from the camera?
[12:13] <Zimpee>  how to enlarge xmms's main menu's fonts? 'cos if i set the fonts in the setup menu, it increases only the playlist's and actually played filename's size.
[12:14] <fissy> Nefarous, its not detected by linux *at all*
[12:14] <srx33> Nefarous: yes, because it isnt in the symbolik link dir  only in init.d  . I opened sysklogd.. hmm maybe I can edit it somehow.. what should I look for?
[12:14] <thoreauputic> Zimpee: I once asked a question in #fluxbox and it was answered an hour later !! ;)
[12:14] <Nefarous> fissy: Is it a USB connection?  If so, have you tried lsusb?
[12:14] <Zimpee> thoreauputic lol:)
[12:15] <fissy> Nefarous, two entries beginning bus
[12:15] <fissy> btw, i'm trying to use the dock as i don't have a cable, is that going to affect things?
[12:16] <Nefarous> fissy: have you tried gThumb, and forcing it to use your camera model?
[12:16] <fissy> yes, fails to auto detect it
[12:16] <fissy> and i've tried telling it the model
[12:16] <Nefarous> hmmm ... probably check the gThumbs support pages out there ... if any
[12:17] <Nefarous> fissy: is your dock usb?
[12:17] <fissy> Nefarous, yes
[12:18] <Nefarous> fissy: if you do a lsmod do you see hotplug in there?
[12:18] <ogra> fissy: could be affecting...
[12:19] <fissy> An error occurred in the io-library ('Bad parameters'): Could not find USB device (vendor 0x40a, product 0x500). Make sure this device is connected to the computer.
[12:19] <fissy> thats from gthumb
[12:19] <fissy> david@liebniz:~ $ lsmod | grep hotplug
[12:19] <fissy> pci_hotplug            30640  0
[12:19] <supos> hmm, "universe" is Debian Testing main, right? Then what is "multiverse"?
[12:19] <Nefarous> fissy: freaky, usually just inserting the usb device will give you a notification, do you see anything in dmesg when you plug/unplug it?
[12:20] <d0gmaz> where can i find the hoary mirrors?
[12:20] <t17mh> supos: more like Debian Unstable, I believe. But ubuntu customized at any rate.
[12:20] <Skif> supos: "universe" is "stuff in debian that ubuntu doesn't want to officially support"
[12:20] <fissy> i don't think so, is there a way of telling dmesg to wait while i plug and unplug?
[12:20] <ogra> fissy: can you get a cable anywhere ?
[12:20] <Skif> multiverse is like universe, but including non-free bits
[12:20] <fissy> ogra, i just found that the docks cable is the same as the camera's, just tried... no cigar
[12:21] <Nefarous> fissy: sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog
[12:21] <ogra> Nefarous: doesnt need sudo ;)
[12:21] <Nefarous> fissy: another helpful application is usbview, but I doubt it's installed by default
[12:21] <fissy> Nefarous, nothing happens
[12:21] <t17mh> Hate to keep reiterating -- but is there anyone here who understands the menu system. I've now doubly messed up the menus trying to fix it by hand; all I really want is to fresh install whatever ubuntu would give me by default. The FAQ says the Ubuntu Computer menu is uncustomizable -- what do I do when it's messed up then? (and how did it get messed up?)
[12:22] <Nefarous> fissy: sorry, I'm used to Debian :)
[12:22] <usual> if ya really wanna have fun apt-get install colorize and tail -f /var/log/syslog | colorize
[12:22] <usual> heh
[12:22] <supos> Skif: ok, thanks
[12:22] <wfx> ogra, i do update to the last version
[12:22] <Zimpee>  how to enlarge xmms's main menu's fonts? 'cos if i set the fonts in the setup menu, it increases only the playlist's and actually played filename's size.
[12:23] <ogra> wfx: k
[12:23] <Nefarous> t17mh: sometimes it's just best to blow away all of your desktop directories and re-login :) ... or create a new user, or something similar ... copout answer
[12:23] <ogra> Zimpee: thake beep-media-player , its the gtk2 version of xmms
[12:23] <t17mh> Nefarous: No, this is system-wide. I can create a new user and it's still messed up. Partly by my own stupidity, partly by my backasswards attempt to go directly from sid-to-ubuntu :)
[12:24] <d0gmaz> where can i find the hoary mirrors?
[12:24] <GammaRay> beep is A gtk2 fork of xmms
[12:24] <Nefarous> t17mh: oh my, so you're talking about surgery here :)
[12:24] <t17mh> Nefarous: Oh yeah.
[12:24] <lifeless> open heart surgery
[12:24] <Nefarous> t17mh: a thought, if you could find what packages the files are in, then maybe forcing a reinstall of those debs?
[12:24] <Zimpee> but here i have to set a xmms, ogra, no way to get beep-media-player
[12:25] <Nefarous> t17mh: dpkg -S <filename> will let you know if it's part of a deb package ... and which one.
[12:25] <thoreauputic> Zimpee: why not?
[12:25] <lifeless> t17mh: did you go sid->warty or sid->hoary ?
[12:25] <usual> Nov 13 16:09:28 localhost sshd[12015] : reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for adsl-131.103.46.info.com.ph failed - POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT!
[12:25] <usual> wtf lol
[12:26] <pdaoust> will somebody permit me to whine.... both optical drives have a death-grip on their discs and won't let go... problem is, they won't mount, so I can't click on an icon and go 'eject'
[12:26] <t17mh> lifeless: warty
[12:26] <pdaoust> any idea how I retrieve a disc that's been eaten in this fashion?
[12:26] <Zimpee> thoreauputic: they asked me to set xmms. dunno why. but their words are saint
[12:26] <thoreauputic> Zimpee: ah, I see
[12:26] <Nefarous> pdaoust: a reboot usually does the trick, otherwise - power down and grab a paper clip
[12:26] <t17mh> Nefarous: Yeah -- that's do-able. But I'm afraid I don't even know which files are responsible for the menus.
[12:26] <lifeless> t17mh: you've probably got a bunch of packages still at sid levels, that you need to roll back to warty versions.
[12:26] <Skif> pdaoust: most drives have a very small hole, about the size of a paperclip, right next to the eject button
[12:26] <Skif> pdaoust: stick the end of a paperclip in there, it should let go.
[12:27] <t17mh> lifeless: Right -- I've rolled back just about everything at this point. I finally got the Applications/Computer menu setup. But Computer->Desktop Preferences is empty (and Desktop Preferences is still under Applications)
[12:27] <pdaoust> Nefarous: I figured that'd be the trick... the drives are quite okay (normally they will open), but the OS refuses to open them
[12:27] <GammaRay> Skif: is that safe while the drive is still powered?
[12:27] <lifeless> t17mh: also, their is a wiki page with describes the other manual things you need to do (like adding users to the plugdev group) to get everything happy.
[12:27] <Skif> pdaoust: however, if things are that seriously hosed, you'll probably want to reboot, because it's unlikely your computer will recognize new drives
[12:27] <Nefarous> (I second that)
[12:27] <t17mh> lifeless: Ah, that sounds useful -- on the ubuntulinux.org wiki?
[12:27] <Skif> GammaRay: it's safe physically-- you won't damage any hardware.  What happens if something tries to access those bits is probably not too happy, but you're already not happy, so it's not much worse, really.
[12:27] <lifeless> t17mh: yeah.
[12:27] <pdaoust> Skif and Nefarous: righty ho then
[12:28] <pdaoust> not quite sure why they would bail so seriously on bad discs though
[12:28] <pdaoust> see ya later, folks
[12:29] <t17mh> lifeless: Would this be easier if I went to hoary?
[12:29] <lifeless> t17mh: I'm not sure :/. One of the devs would be a better bet to answer.
[12:30] <blatch> does sleep work on powerbooks in hoary?
[12:30] <blatch> or rather: how do i get sleep to work?
[12:32] <Gwildor> read my post please, i will be afk, so respond in thread, if you could :)
[12:32] <Gwildor> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4306
[12:32] <Gwildor> or pm :)
[12:32] <billytwowilly> If i have 2 120 gig and 2 160 gig drives can I just partition the 160s into a 120 and a 40 and then software raid 5 the 2 120s and the 2 120 gig partitions?
[12:33] <ilmari> billytwowilly: sure
[12:33] <Nefarous> Gwildor: sorry, not a ATI user
[12:33] <Zimpee> so do you kno anything about it?
[12:33] <billytwowilly> ilmari, got any links to setting up software raid with ubuntu?
[12:33] <billytwowilly> Gwildor, what's wrong with your ati stuff?
[12:34] <Klowner> if anyone is in need of a Christmas/Linux themed wallpaper, I just posted a fresh one on my site
[12:34] <t17mh> This migration is a strange process... I swear it's been three or four times now that I've done an apt-get dist-upgrade and downgraded hundreds of packages...
[12:35] <ilmari> billytwowilly: mdadm --create --level=5 --raid-disks=4 /dev/md0 /dev/hdXY ...
[12:35] <alerios> Klowner, url?
[12:35] <Klowner> alerios: http://klowner.com
[12:35] <alerios> Klowner, thanks
[12:35] <ilmari> billytwowilly: uh, --raid-devices, not --raid-disks
[12:36] <Klowner> alerios: very welcome
[12:36] <billytwowilly> ilmari, I found the software raid howto;)
[12:36] <billytwowilly> ilmari, thanks.
[12:37] <billytwowilly> ilmari, one last question. Can I use softwar raid to setup a mirror of the boot partition, which would be those 40 gig partitions?
[12:38] <Gwildor> billytwowilly, can i pm you?
[12:38] <Nefarous> Klowner: newbie question, just how does one with an artsy gift go about drawing those wallpapers? (free hand mouse, pen, other?)
[12:39] <billytwowilly> Gwildor, go ahead. I only have 3 minutes though
[12:39] <Klowner> Nefarous: I use various methods, most of them I just use a mouse, I have a wacom tablet I use on occasion though
[12:40] <Nefarous> Klowner: interesting, seems tedious, do you use freestrokes, or bend the lines to for arcs?
[12:41] <alerios> Klowner, hey great work on that site
[12:41] <alerios> Klowner, congratulations
[12:43] <deninux> hi all
[12:47] <wfx> bonobo, mp3
[12:47] <bonobo> wfx: Error: 'echo' is not a valid command.
[12:48] <wfx> bonobo, mp3
[12:48] <bonobo> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/
[12:48] <wfx> :)
[12:49] <ogra> yeah !!!
[12:49] <wfx> i must add  you and the ni teach you :)
[12:49] <ogra> yay
[12:49] <thoreauputic> wfx: does it respond to ! or @ or similar? Like !mp3 ?
[12:50] <thoreauputic> !mp3
[12:50] <thoreauputic> nah
[12:50] <thoreauputic> :(
[12:50] <yz> say what is the name of the ubuntu software to burn a cd ?
[12:50] <wfx> thoreauputic, no you must ask bonobo
[12:50] <thoreauputic> wfx: OK :)
[12:50] <wfx> bonobo, what is mp3
[12:50] <bonobo> wfx: Error: 'what' is not a valid command.
[12:50] <wfx> :/
[12:50] <ogra> bonobo: wfx
[12:50] <bonobo> ogra: Error: 'wfx' is not a valid command.
[12:51] <wfx> bonobo, mp3
[12:51] <bonobo> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/
[12:51] <thoreauputic> bonobo: google
[12:51] <bonobo> thoreauputic: Error: 'google' is not a valid command.
[12:51] <Nefarous> yz: doesn't the file browser try to do that for you? otherwise a lot of people us k3b, but you have to grab it elsewhere (see Ubuntu FAQs/HOWTO)
[12:51] <ogra> wfx: wfx should reply master ;)
[12:51] <wfx> we need a better plugin (or write one) btw ...
[12:52] <ogra> Nefarous: its included in universe.....you dont grab it elsewhere
[12:52] <wfx> bonobo, wfx
[12:52] <bonobo> the claw is my master
[12:52] <wfx> :)
[12:52] <ogra> hehe
[12:52] <Nefarous> ogra: good to know, thanks for the correction
[12:52] <Zimpee>  how to enlarge xmms's main menu's fonts? 'cos if i set the fonts in the setup menu, it increases only the playlist's and actually played filename's size.
[12:53] <yz> thanks nefarous
[12:53] <Zimpee> i will ask it for answer
[12:53] <Zimpee> :)
[12:53] <yz> i'll lookin into filebrowser first
[12:53] <ogra> Nefarous: btw, what are you guys building there ? sounds big....
[12:53] <Nefarous> ogra: confused ...
[12:54] <Nefarous> yz: usually you just pop a blank CD in and it prompts you for the rest ...
[12:55] <ogra> Nefarous: you and t17mh
[12:56] <t17mh> ogra: ?
[12:56] <yz> nefarous that would be too cool
[12:56] <Nefarous> ogra: t17mh was just trying to figure out how to restore his system wide menu ... so you're just confusing us now :)
[12:56] <Nefarous> yz: worked for me ... although I'm a bit of a command line guy  myself
[12:56] <ogra> Nefarous: oh, sorry didnt want that
[01:01] <Nefarous> ] {] +P['p-'
[01:02] <Klowner> Nefarous: I bend lines.. takes a while to do
[01:02] <thoreauputic> Nefarous: this is an *english* channel ;)
[01:02] <dataw0lf|home> Hey guys, I'm having a weird problem with a usb camera in Ubuntu, anybody mind helping me?
[01:02] <Klowner> alerios: thanks :)
[01:03] <dataw0lf|home> Anybody? I've tried everything I could think of to mount this usb camera, and it isn't working.
[01:03] <dan> can someone help me out with the default locations for where htdocs would be on a default install of apache2?
[01:03] <Klowner> dataw0lf|home: what cam?
[01:03] <Bentley> hi all - has anyone here successfully installed the latest ATI driver (3.14.x) .. needed for doom3?
[01:03] <ogra> dan below /var/www/
[01:04] <dataw0lf|home> Klowner: Kodak EasyShare.. it shows up in /proc/bus/usb/devices
[01:04] <t17mh> Let's see -- what's the apt-cache/apt/dpkg? command to ask what package provides a given file?
[01:04] <dataw0lf|home> Klowner: and when I grep dmesg it gives me :
[01:04] <dataw0lf|home>  Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
[01:04] <dataw0lf|home> usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage
[01:04] <dataw0lf|home> USB Mass Storage support registered.
[01:04] <Klowner> dataw0lf|home: hrm, my digital camera lives happily with gtkam
[01:05] <ogra> t17mh: you must install apt-file
[01:05] <dan> ogra- it seems that location only works for localhost, as I modified index.html.en there, but from the net all I get is the apache default install page
[01:05] <dataw0lf|home> Klowner: it just isn't giving me a /dev/ reference ( ie sda1 etc)
[01:05] <ogra> t17mh: and run apt-file update afterwards
[01:05] <t17mh> ogra: thanks.
[01:05] <ogra> t17mh: or use dpkg -S /path/to/file
[01:05] <Klowner> dataw0lf|home: hrm, it might show up as a scsi device.. /dev/scsi or /dev/sda#
[01:05] <t17mh> ogra: Ah -- that's even better.
[01:06] <ogra> t17mh: if its alredy installed
[01:06] <ogra> +a
[01:06] <dataw0lf|home> Klowner: I haven't tried /dev/scsi... but I've tried everything through /dev/sd*
[01:06] <dan> im not exactly an expert on apache, but im trying it out, ubuntu makes everything be in different places than I am used to
[01:06] <dataw0lf|home> one sec, lemme check /dev/scsi
[01:07] <dan> is anyone here using the apache2 deb?
[01:07] <dataw0lf|home> dan: yes, and multithreated enabled.
[01:07] <dataw0lf|home> Klowner: nope, /dev/scsi isn't working either.
[01:08] <wfx> bonobo, ogra
[01:08] <bonobo> wfx: Error: 'ogra' is not a valid command.
[01:08] <dan> datawolf - am I asking in the wrong place or something? for help with the ubuntu packages of apache?
[01:08] <Klowner> dataw0lf|home: weird, I'm not sure
[01:08] <dataw0lf|home> dan: htdocs might be in /usr/local/apache/htdocs
[01:08] <dataw0lf|home> Anyone else have any experience troubleshooting a usb camera?
[01:08] <dan> nope
[01:08] <dataw0lf|home> it's a strange problem.
[01:09] <dan> use lsusb to check the bus
[01:09] <ogra> bonobo: ogra
[01:09] <bonobo> is here too
[01:09] <dan> but you need usbtools installed
[01:09] <ogra> yay
[01:09] <dataw0lf|home> hm, I didn't install usbtools.
[01:10] <dataw0lf|home> Bus 003 Device 005: ID 040a:0578 Kodak Co.
[01:10] <dataw0lf|home> where would that point at?
[01:10] <once-named-dan> usually /dev/sd*
[01:10] <dataw0lf|home> I can't find it.
[01:10] <once-named-dan> hangon
[01:10] <wfx> bonobo, ndiwrapper
[01:10] <bonobo> ubuntu with ndiswrapper, see here: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/view?searchterm=network/interfaces
[01:10] <wfx> :)
[01:10] <once-named-dan> do a lsmod
[01:10] <ogra> bonobo: ndiswrapper
[01:10] <bonobo> ubuntu with ndiswrapper, see here: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/view?searchterm=network/interfaces
[01:11] <once-named-dan> do you have usb-storage module in there?
[01:11] <dataw0lf|home> yeah, usb-storage, I modprobbed it its good.
[01:11] <ironwolf> in hoary is music player supposed to not come with a way to play mp3's?  if so what's a good alternative or how do I make it work?
[01:12] <dataw0lf|home> Maybe if I rmmod it and insmod it back in? maybe?
[01:12] <jordi> ironwolf: you probably want to install gstreamer0.8-mad?
[01:12] <once-named-dan> doubt it
[01:12] <ogra> bonobo: mp3
[01:12] <bonobo> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/
[01:12] <ogra> ironwolf read bonobo
[01:13] <wfx> nvidia!
[01:14] <ogra> bonobo: nvidia
[01:14] <bonobo> for nvidia see here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FinishInstallationHowto/
[01:14] <ogra> huh ?
[01:14] <wfx> :)
[01:14] <ogra> lol
[01:14] <Nefarous> FYI: whomever mentioned the "this is an *english*" channel, my 1 yr old daughter got ahold of my laptop while I was away for a minute, thus the garbage on the screen.  She managed to rip two keys off my laptop, and wedging my backspace, thus locking up my terminal ... LOL!
[01:15] <ogra> bonobo: nvidia ?
[01:15] <bonobo> for nvidia see here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FinishInstallationHowto/
[01:15] <ogra> wxf: c'mon
[01:15] <ogra> bonobo: nvidia ?
[01:15] <bonobo> ubuntu with nvidia: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:15] <ogra> thx
[01:15] <ogra> ;)
[01:15] <wfx> :)
[01:16] <ogra> bonobo: ati
[01:16] <bonobo> ubuntu with ati: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:16] <once-named-dan> datawolf - my knowledge on usb-storage is outdated and only useful on 2.4 systems i guess, go check out a tutorial on google - all I can suggest, but it should show up and work as a simple usb-storage /dev/sda* in 2.4
[01:16] <wfx> ok now we need a better plugin for ;-)
[01:18] <ogra> wfx: which one ?
[01:19] <ogra> bonobo: java
[01:19] <bonobo> java ubuntu: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:19] <ogra> bonobo: java
[01:19] <bonobo> java on ubuntu: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:19] <ogra> wfx: updates fine ;)
[01:20] <wfx> :)
[01:21] <wfx> i must restart it in background (im login into my server from a terminal) and before i do this i like to know how do i save the aliases
[01:22] <wfx> and im sure ther are more users to add (some names?)
[01:24] <ogra> wfx: plovs i guess, he cares a lot for the wiki
[01:24] <cyrus-tc> wfx, write the aliases into your .bashrc file
[01:25] <wfx> cyrus-tc, thx but i meant the bot
[01:25] <ogra> cyrus-tc: for the channelbot ?
[01:25] <wfx> plovs is add same pass :)
[01:26] <ogra> cyrus-tc: type: bonobo: nvidia
[01:27] <ogra> cyrus-tc: in the cannel ;)
[01:28] <ogra> bonobo: shaliases
[01:28] <bonobo> add your aliases to the ~/.bashrc file
[01:28] <ogra> hehe
[01:29] <wfx> ?! :)  shaliases this is the word for ?? :-)
[01:29] <ogra> wfx: didnt want sh_aliases
[01:29] <thoreauputic> ogra: bash-aliases maybe?
[01:30] <ogra> thoreauputic: no dashes :(
[01:30] <thoreauputic> ah
[01:30] <thoreauputic> no  .  either?
[01:30] <ogra> trying
[01:30] <plovs> wfx, what's up
[01:30] <plovs> ogra, can i help?
[01:30] <ogra> bonobo: bash.aliases
[01:30] <bonobo> add your aliases to the ~/.bashrc file
[01:31] <ogra> bonobo: java
[01:31] <bonobo> java on ubuntu: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:31] <cyrus-tc> ogra, haven't followed discussion
[01:31] <wfx> hi :)
[01:31] <cyrus-tc> ;)
[01:31] <ogra> bonobo: plovs
[01:31] <bonobo> plovs: the greatest wiki writer around
[01:31] <ogra> bonobo: bash.aliases
[01:31] <bonobo> add your aliases to the ~/.bashrc file
[01:31] <thoreauputic> bonobo: nvidia
[01:31] <bonobo> ubuntu with nvidia: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:31] <thoreauputic> cool
[01:32] <ogra> yay
[01:32] <cyrus-tc> is there an interest in a guide how to get the 5+6 mouse buttons work? -> like windows forward and back in mozilla etc.
[01:32] <plovs> bonobo, atm learning docbook
[01:32] <bonobo> plovs: Error: 'atm' is not a valid command.
[01:32] <ogra> hehe
[01:32] <usual> http://colin.homeunix.org/g.jpg it's an apache access log....script kiddies? worm?
[01:32] <plovs> ogra, yours?
[01:32] <ogra> plovs: wxf
[01:33] <ogra> plovs: wfx
[01:33] <ogra> sorry
[01:33] <ogra> plovs: you got access
[01:33] <wfx> plovs i have give you the right to do all thing with it
[01:34] <ogra> plovs: so you can add your wikipages easily :)
[01:34] <plovs> wfx, thanks :-) ,but what is it?
[01:34] <wfx> a bot ;-)
[01:34] <ogra> plovs: a python based bot :)
[01:35] <plovs> wfx, ogra, nice!
[01:35] <plovs> bonobo, help
[01:35] <bonobo> plovs: (help [<plugin>]  <command>) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
[01:35] <wfx> bonobo, wfx
[01:35] <bonobo> the artist of http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=17776
[01:35] <wfx> :)
[01:35] <ironwolf> thanks bonobo and others.  that did it.
[01:36] <ogra> wfx: your drawig too ?
[01:36] <cyrus-tc> bonobo: plovs
[01:36] <bonobo> plovs: the greatest wiki writer around
[01:36] <wfx> yes
[01:36] <wfx> :)
[01:36] <cyrus-tc> hehe
[01:36] <ogra> lol
[01:36] <cyrus-tc> bonobo: ati
[01:36] <bonobo> ubuntu with ati: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:37] <ogra> loool
[01:37] <wfx> ogra, yes it paint
[01:37] <Nefarous> where is this wiki you speak so highly of ...
[01:37] <kapputu> a question for you guys
[01:37] <ogra> wfx: wow
[01:37] <kapputu> how does one get back to programming in C, C++ after programming in Perl, Java?
[01:37] <wfx> bonobo, wiki
[01:37] <bonobo> the wiki is on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[01:38] <wfx> ogra, thx (i also work on teg.sf.net :)
[01:38] <Nefarous> kapputu: odd question, easiest answer is to just use them all as much as possible, I'm rusty on my perl, but I program in C/C++/Java daily ...
[01:38] <ogra> bonobo: kapputu
[01:38] <bonobo> ogra: Error: 'kapputu' is not a valid command.
[01:38] <wfx> :)
[01:38] <ogra> bonobo: kapputu
[01:38] <bonobo> kapputu: always wants to know......
[01:38] <ogra> ;)
[01:38] <plovs> bonobo, faq
[01:38] <bonobo> plovs: Error: 'faq' is not a valid command.
[01:39] <cyrus-tc> bonobo: next saturday lottery numbers
[01:39] <bonobo> cyrus-tc: Error: 'next' is not a valid command.
[01:39] <wfx> needs to add
[01:39] <kapputu> no, every time I try to program in C, C++ these days, I feel frustrated and start thinking how easy this is in perl or java
[01:39] <cyrus-tc> dmn
[01:39] <cyrus-tc> ;)
[01:39] <dataw0lf|home> java's gay.
[01:39] <Nefarous> kapputu: do you use STL for C++?
[01:39] <kapputu> especially I have started to hate pointers
[01:39] <kapputu> no I haven't got down to serious coding in C++ yet but will start soon
[01:40] <kapputu> I started by learning C and C++ but
[01:40] <ogra> kapputu: i'm just learning python ;) http://www.grawert.net/startup-settings.png
[01:40] <kapputu> yeah me too
[01:40] <Nefarous> kapputu: STL makes C++ a little easier, especially when you are used to just having a library/class for everything under the sun in Java/Perl.
[01:40] <kapputu> ic
[01:40] <wfx> nice the latter you can help with the pygame client port of teg :-)
[01:40] <kapputu> yeah I kinda have an idea of what STL is
[01:41] <kapputu> but I'm struggling to get back
[01:41] <kapputu> all the more since I'm working as a Perl developer
[01:41] <Nefarous> kapputu: for perl I just keep a book nearby :)
[01:41] <kapputu> ogra: what's python's connection to Ubuntu
[01:41] <kapputu> when I was installing, I found that a lot of python libraries got installed
[01:42] <lamont_r> kapputu: Mark _really_ likes python
[01:42] <ogra> kapputu: ubuntu is centralized around it
[01:42] <lamont_r> so ubuntu adopted it.
[01:42] <Nefarous> kapputu: do you find yourself choosing the language or being forced to use one or the other? (I guess this is all offtopic here)
[01:42] <kapputu> ok, it's like I'm going to get involved in the Firefox project
[01:43] <lamont_r> Nefarous: for perl, I keep a wall nearby to hit my head on.
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[01:43] <wfx> bonobo, nvidia
[01:43] <bonobo> ubuntu with nvidia: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:43] <kapputu> also, I'll be starting work on a customized search engine involving gigabytes of data
[01:43] <kapputu> so C++ is definitely a better option, due to the speed
[01:43] <Nefarous> (oh gosh, don't start that flame war)
[01:44] <Matt|> hi i have a problem with gdm, I can't sort out my ~/.xsession file in order to make icewm work properly. Can someone help me out?
[01:44] <thoreauputic> bonobo: flamewar
[01:44] <bonobo> thoreauputic: Error: 'flamewar' is not a valid command.
[01:44] <ogra> heh
[01:44] <thoreauputic> ah, that needs fixing ;-)
[01:44] <kapputu> if you are proficient in Perl, you can get a lot of things done in less time but it might not be very extensible or resuable or efficient
[01:44] <Matt|> oh you have put a bot on
[01:44] <Matt|> good idea
[01:44] <LifesizeKenDoll> what is bonobo's point?
[01:44] <ogra> Matt|: yeah !!
[01:44] <Matt|> ogra, ATI
[01:44] <ogra> bobobo: ati
[01:45] <ogra> hey
[01:45] <Matt|> ogra, help me out with gdm?
[01:45] <kapputu> hey what's up with this bonobo thing
[01:45] <Matt|> bonobo, mp3
[01:45] <bonobo> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/
[01:45] <ogra> bonobo: ati
[01:45] <bonobo> ubuntu with ati: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:45] <Matt|> *laughs*
[01:45] <thoreauputic> LifesizeKenDoll: once she's taught, she can give us lots of info
[01:45] <LifesizeKenDoll> ooh, fun
[01:45] <LifesizeKenDoll> it's a she?
[01:45] <Matt|> nah
[01:45] <LifesizeKenDoll> but it ends in 'o'
[01:45] <Matt|> bonobo is a mans name
[01:45] <bonobo> Matt|: Error: 'is' is not a valid command.
[01:45] <ogra> lifeless: for sure
[01:45] <wfx> its a ape a
[01:45] <ogra> oops
[01:45] <thoreauputic> LifesizeKenDoll: look up bonobo :)
[01:45] <ogra> its a female ape ;)
[01:46] <wfx> the dna of this ape is ~99.4 similary to use
[01:46] <Nefarous> Matt|: what's in your xsession file?
[01:46] <wfx> mice also :)
[01:46] <LifesizeKenDoll> ooh, ape-tastic
[01:46] <Matt|> ah thanks for replying Nefarous
[01:46] <kapputu> no I mean the error: not a valid command thing
[01:46] <Matt|> matt@kallisto:~ $ cat .xsession
[01:46] <Matt|> xscreensaver &
[01:46] <Matt|> nautilus -n &
[01:46] <Matt|> icewm-session
[01:46] <Matt|> ^^ Nefarous
[01:46] <kapputu> is it a bot or is it really someone acting funny ?
[01:46] <thoreauputic> $ dict bonobo bonobo
[01:46] <thoreauputic>        n : small chimpanzee of swamp forests in Zaire; a threatened
[01:46] <thoreauputic>            species [syn: {pygmy chimpanzee}, {Pan paniscus}] 
[01:46] <LifesizeKenDoll> bot
[01:47] <Matt|> bonobo is a program i thought
[01:47] <bonobo> Matt|: Error: 'is' is not a valid command.
[01:47] <Nefarous> Matt|: any particular reason you're going that route? (this is Ununtu right?)
[01:47] <Matt|> Nefarous, what other route do I have?
[01:47] <Matt|> you HAVE to take off the Error message from that stupid bot
[01:47] <thoreauputic> Matt|: the program is named after the chimp :)
[01:47] <wfx> anyone how have the right should add bonobo to topic "first ask bonobo:keyword" or something like this :-)
[01:47] <ogra> bonobo: plovs
[01:47] <bonobo> plovs: the greatest wiki and desktop doc writer around
[01:47] <Matt|> *laughs*
[01:47] <Nefarous> Matt|: well I can't look now, but usually you can choose your WM pref from the gdm dialog, but that might not help you with the default apps.
[01:48] <lifeless> ogra: ???
[01:48] <kapputu> bonobo:plovs
[01:48] <Matt|> Nefarous, i can choose the WM from the gdm dialogue, but i want it to start with nautilus too, so I used the .xsession file
[01:48] <LifesizeKenDoll> bonobo sex
[01:48] <bonobo> LifesizeKenDoll: Error: 'sex' is not a valid command.
[01:48] <LifesizeKenDoll> aw
[01:48] <ogra> lifeless: sorry autocompletion.....
[01:48] <Nefarous> Matt|: what's it doing?
[01:48] <dataw0lf|home> bonobo version
[01:48] <Matt|> Nefarous, what is what doing?
[01:48] <bonobo> dataw0lf|home: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.80.0pre2.  The newest version available online is 0.80.0pre2.
[01:48] <thoreauputic> bonobo: stfu
[01:48] <bonobo> thoreauputic: Error: 'stfu' is not a valid command.
[01:48] <Nefarous> Matt|: when you launch X ... is it hanging?
[01:49] <dataw0lf|home> bonobo: kick
[01:49] <bonobo> dataw0lf|home: Error: You don't have the '#ubuntu,op' capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[01:49] <Matt|> Nefarous, oh sorry!!! no it works fine, but I cannot logout.
[01:49] <kapputu> bonobo: ogra
[01:49] <bonobo> is here too
[01:49] <ogra> hehe
[01:49] <Matt|> this bot is gonna be really annoying
[01:49] <wfx> :)
[01:49] <Nefarous> Matt|:  does it logout when you close all of your apps?
[01:49] <dataw0lf|home> bonobo google
[01:49] <bonobo> dataw0lf|home: Error: 'google' is not a valid command.
[01:49] <dataw0lf|home> !google
[01:49] <Matt|> Nefarous, you mean if I kill nautilus and xscreensaver?
[01:50] <dataw0lf|home> !google ubuntu usb drive
[01:50] <Matt|> Nefarous, i'm not sure. Probably
[01:50] <thoreauputic> dataw0lf|home: nah, doesn't do !
[01:50] <dataw0lf|home> damn.
[01:50] <Nefarous> Matt|: yes ... I'm not an ICEwm user ... what's the normal process for logging out?>
[01:50] <wfx> goggle plugin is avail must be load but i dont think we should do
[01:50] <kapputu> bonobo google
[01:50] <bonobo> kapputu: Error: 'google' is not a valid command.
[01:50] <d0gmaz> nautilus reacts very very slow version 2.8.2 somebody maybe knows what it is?
[01:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> be back later, people
[01:50] <kapputu> bonobo ogra
[01:50] <bonobo> is here too
[01:50] <Matt|> Nefarous, clicking the logout button normally does it. It works fine if I just start icewm from the gdm session menu. but that way I don't get nautilus
[01:50] <kapputu> bonobo wxf
[01:50] <bonobo> kapputu: Error: 'wxf' is not a valid command.
[01:50] <suix> hi
[01:51] <kapputu> bonobo wfx
[01:51] <bonobo> the artist of http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=17776
[01:51] <Matt|> omg
[01:51] <Matt|> stop it already
[01:51] <wfx> ;-)
[01:51] <kapputu> bonobo Matt|
[01:51] <bonobo> kapputu: Error: 'Matt|' is not a valid command.
[01:51] <kapputu> bonobo plovs
[01:51] <bonobo> plovs: the greatest wiki and desktop doc writer around
[01:51] <thoreauputic> bonobo: bot_abuse
[01:51] <bonobo> thoreauputic: Error: 'bot_abuse' is not a valid command.
[01:51] <thoreauputic> indeed not :)
[01:52] <kapputu> bonobo thoreauputic
[01:52] <bonobo> kapputu: Error: 'thoreauputic' is not a valid command.
[01:52] <Matt|> omg
[01:52] <kapputu> good
[01:52] <Matt|> you guys are easily ammused
[01:52] <kapputu> no Matt|, it's over
[01:52] <wfx> sometimes
[01:52] <suix> does any one uses php? I have a problem when I try to make a  mysql_connect(), it gives me an error saying that Im trying to call to an undefined function :S I have php4-mysql installed :S
[01:52] <Matt|> can anyone else help me with this gdm thing?
[01:53] <Nefarous> Matt|: haven't ditched ya, pondering
[01:53] <ogra> Matt|: send your xsession (pm)
[01:53] <Matt|> ah kewl
[01:53] <d0gmaz> it takes very long to open folders and open new screens in nautilus someone knows what to do?
[01:53] <Matt|> d0gmaz, hoary?
[01:54] <d0gmaz> Matt|, yes
[01:54] <Matt|> d0gmaz, "sudo apt-get install gamin"
[01:55] <d0gmaz> what is it?
[01:55] <Matt|> not sure
[01:55] <ogra> d0gmaz: replacement for fam
[01:55] <Matt|> it is a replacement for fam
[01:55] <d0gmaz> it worked
[01:55] <Matt|> good :)
[01:55] <d0gmaz> but i dont understand
[01:56] <d0gmaz> cuz it worked only slow now its fast
[01:56] <d0gmaz> what is that gamin?
[01:56] <Nefarous> Matt|: is that the normal way to start icewm? I believe you typed icewm-session? is that different than just launching ice-wm?
[01:56] <Matt|> Nefarous, sort of
[01:56] <ogra> d0gmaz: fam = file-alternation-manager
[01:56] <wfx> ogra, would be better http://supybot.sourceforge.net/docs/plugins/Utilities.html#re ?
[01:56] <Lathiat> suix: need to add extension=mysql.so in /etc/apache/php4.ini or wherever it is
[01:57] <Matt|> Nefarous, the command icewm just launches the bare bones
[01:57] <Nefarous> Matt|: the only other thing of note, in /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/examples/* they prefix the wm line with exec, i.e. "exec twm"
[01:57] <JDahl> I followed the wiki on installing ATI fglrx - Cudos to the author, that was easy!! I have an IBM thinkpad, and I dont seem to be able to run things in fullscreen; openGL applications pop in the lower left corner, e.g. a 800x600 window out of the 1400x1050 total resolution. Is this normal for laptops using openGL applications? (I havent installed games for quite awhile)
[01:57] <Matt|> Nefarous, true that is not a bad idea
[01:57] <ogra> wfx: i'm fine as it is.....
[01:57] <Matt|> ogra, you are running the bot?
[01:58] <ogra> wfx: but probably for fulltext questions......
[01:58] <ogra> Matt|: wfx
[01:58] <kapputu> so anything new in the Ubuntu community?
[01:58] <Nefarous> Matt|: trying to recall the diff btw .xsession and .xinitrc ... I think I've always used the latter ... but that's usually for borderless/noWM displays
[01:58] <kapputu> I miss Ubuntu at work :-(
[01:59] <Matt|> Nefarous, .xinitrc does not work with gdm
[01:59] <Matt|> Be RiGhT bAcK
[01:59] <kapputu> what's gdm
[01:59] <kapputu> ?
[02:00] <ogra> bonobo: kapputu
[02:00] <bonobo> kapputu: always wants to know......
[02:00] <thoreauputic> kapputu: gnome display manager
[02:00] <kapputu> bonobo gdm
[02:00] <bonobo> kapputu: Error: 'gdm' is not a valid command.
[02:00] <darkling> Graphical login screen for Gnome.
[02:00] <kapputu> damn Ogra :-P
[02:00] <kapputu> what's .xinitrc got to do with gdm ?
[02:00] <ogra> bonobo: gdm
[02:00] <bonobo> the graphical login screen of ubuntu
[02:00] <d0gmaz> how do i turn on dropshadow in X.org?
[02:01] <kapputu> ogra, Hoary has X.org?
[02:01] <Lathiat> kapputu: it does
[02:01] <ogra> yep
[02:01] <kapputu> how many switched to Hoary?
[02:01] <kapputu> omg, I'm being tempted
[02:02] <Lathiat> d0gmaz: get xcompmgr from deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/ -- install it and run xcompmgr -c; sleep 5; killall metacity
[02:02] <ogra> bonobo: hoary
[02:02] <bonobo> the unstable development branch of ubuntu use at your own risk
[02:02] <kapputu> risk is not a major factor
[02:02] <kapputu> not sure about the time I need to spend
[02:03] <kapputu> bonobo warty
[02:03] <bonobo> kapputu: Error: 'warty' is not a valid command.
[02:03] <kapputu> boo
[02:03] <Matt|> no luck
[02:03] <ogra> bonobo: xcompmgr
[02:03] <bonobo> get xcompmgr from deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[02:03] <kapputu> bonobo Matt|
[02:03] <bonobo> kapputu: Error: 'Matt|' is not a valid command.
[02:04] <Nefarous> Matt|: does icewm have it's own startup config file?
[02:04] <kapputu> bonobo: Poor soul who is having difficulty
[02:04] <bonobo> kapputu: Error: 'Poor' is not a valid command.
[02:04] <kapputu> :-)
[02:04] <Matt|> Nefarous, nope
[02:04] <kapputu> bonobo: "valid command"
[02:04] <bonobo> kapputu: Error: 'valid command' is not a valid command.
[02:04] <kapputu> oh what a contradiction
[02:05] <ogra> lol
[02:05] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:05] <Nefarous> Matt|: hmmm, normally this is not rocket science, wonder what we're missing here ...
[02:05] <wfx> time to sleep..... have fun
[02:05] <ogra> gut nacht ;)
[02:05] <kapputu> wfx: can I get the access rights ?
[02:05] <kapputu> gut nacht wfx
[02:06] <kapputu> how do you say 'hello' in german ?
[02:06] <ogra> hallo
[02:06] <kapputu> how do you do ??
[02:07] <ogra> wie geht es dir ??
[02:07] <Matt|> erm
[02:07] <ogra> kapputu: topic :)
[02:07] <Matt|> if I kill nautilus, then I can logout ok
[02:07] <kapputu> ubuntu is a good OS, how do I say Fine, thank you
[02:07] <d0gmaz> how do i install a .deb package?
[02:07] <Nefarous> so do you just put a killall -TERM nautilus in you .xsession?
[02:07] <mtl> d0gmaz: dpkg -i
[02:08] <Matt|> Nefarous, i don't think that would work
[02:08] <ogra> Matt|: try adding: killall nautilus behind icewm-session
[02:08] <kapputu> how do I say Ubuntu is a good OS in German?
[02:08] <Matt|> ogra, but I want nautilus to run when I login!!!! that's the whole point
[02:09] <ogra> Matt|: they are run one after another, if icewm-session killall nautilus is run
[02:09] <ogra> +ends
[02:09] <Matt|> oh you genius
[02:09] <Matt|> lemme try
[02:09] <ogra> yep
[02:10] <ogra> i'm not sure though
[02:11] <ogra> so ?
[02:11] <Matt|> nah
[02:11] <Matt|> shame
[02:11] <Matt|> that would have been clever
[02:12] <Matt|> i tell ya what we need
[02:12] <ogra> Matt|: then try this line: icewm-session && killall nautilus
[02:12] <Matt|> ok
[02:12] <Matt|> i think perhaps the problem is that nautilus has to die before icewm allows itself to end tho
[02:13] <Matt|> Be RiGhT bAcK
[02:13] <Gwildor> how do i tell if i am using xorg or xfree?
[02:13] <bob2> we told you that last night
[02:13] <bob2> "dpkg -l xserver-xorg xserver-xfree86 | tail -n2"
[02:14] <Gwildor> ii  xserver-xorg   6.8.1-1ubuntu2 the X.Org X server
[02:14] <Gwildor> rc  xserver-xfree8 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 the XFree86 X server
[02:14] <bob2> you have xorg
[02:14] <Gwildor> hmmm
[02:14] <Gwildor> thnx
[02:15] <Gwildor> how to test 3d support?
[02:15] <ogra> Matt|: ?
[02:15] <Matt|> nope
[02:15] <ogra> Matt|: hmm
[02:15] <Matt|> does anyone else have to wait about 20 seconds before logging into freenode?
[02:16] <Matt|> --- *** Looking up your hostname...
[02:16] <Matt|> --- *** Found your hostname, welcome back
[02:16] <Matt|> --- *** Checking ident
[02:16] <ogra> Matt|: longer
[02:16] <Matt|> at that stage
[02:16] <alindeman> Matt|: You should REJECT (not DROP) packets coming at your identd port, if possible
[02:16] <Matt|> alindeman, drop?
[02:16] <alindeman> (port 113)
[02:16] <Matt|> i have port 113 closed
[02:16] <alindeman> If you just DROP the packets, it takes longer to time out
[02:16] <Matt|> ah i c
[02:17] <bob2> "closed" doesn't mean anything
[02:17] <alindeman> That's fine, but you should reject, not just drop them, if possible
[02:17] <Matt|> bob2, it does to my router interface
[02:17] <Matt|> bob2, open/closed
[02:17] <JDahl> could someone using the ATI flgrx driver check their results for "fgl_glxgears" for me? I get 284 fps, and I am not sure if that's good or not (and my previous question about OpenGL fullscreen mode is a well-known bug according to the debian docs)
[02:17] <bob2> haha
[02:17] <ogra> heh
[02:18] <Matt|> JDahl, i get around 400 with my crappy ati card with dri enabled
[02:18] <Matt|> bob2, hi
[02:18] <bob2> hey
[02:18] <mjr> 284 sounds almost like software rendering
[02:18] <mjr> (with a fast computer, tho)
[02:18] <bob2> home router things and windoes "firewalls" have confused a generation of computer users
[02:19] <Matt|> bob2, oh well i can live with it. Other networks are much quicker tho
[02:19] <bob2> Matt|: put your .xsession in #flood
[02:19] <Matt|> bob2, not necessary it's three lines
[02:19] <Matt|> exec xscreensaver &
[02:19] <Matt|> exec nautilus -n &
[02:19] <Matt|> exec icewm-session
[02:19] <bob2> don't use exec
[02:19] <Matt|> i've also tried without the exec
[02:19] <JDahl> Matt|, how would a Radeon Mobility 9000 stack up against your card? I would expect more than 280fps
[02:19] <Matt|> no difference
[02:20] <Matt|> JDahl, yeah i'm thinking better, but I really don't know
[02:20] <bob2> heh, 898 in glxgears on my radeon with Free drivers
[02:20] <Matt|> bob2, if I kill nautilus then I can logout fine
[02:20] <bob2> Matt|: weren't you trying to kill nautilus after icewm-session?
[02:20] <d0gmaz> i want to install this package http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xcompmgr/ how do i install a package manually?
[02:21] <Matt|> bob2, i was just trying it to see if it would help.
[02:21] <bob2> did it?
[02:21] <Matt|> d0gmaz, you had the answer already ;) dpkg -i package
[02:21] <Matt|> bob2, nope
[02:21] <bob2> d0gmaz: you don't, add the right deb line to /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:21] <GFXstyLER> hi
[02:21] <Matt|> bob2, i guess it needs nautilus killed before icewm-session can die
[02:21] <ogra> bonobo: manual.install
[02:21] <bonobo> sudo dpkg -i <packagename.deb>
[02:22] <ogra> heh
[02:22] <d0gmaz> Matt|, but it has dependencies
[02:22] <Matt|> d0gmaz, ok do the way bob2 says
[02:22] <ogra> d0gmaz: bob2 is right
[02:22] <GFXstyLER> i have a little problem, does someone have a minute for me ;) ?
[02:22] <Matt|> GFXstyLER, shoot
[02:22] <GFXstyLER> ubuntu wont book
[02:22] <GFXstyLER> boot
[02:22] <Matt|> thats not good
[02:22] <Matt|> why not?
[02:23] <GFXstyLER> after grub it doesnt go further
[02:23] <bob2> d0gmaz: add "deb  http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xcompmgr/ ./" to /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:23] <GFXstyLER> grub loading, please wait ...
[02:23] <ogra> GFXstyLER: errors ?
[02:23] <GFXstyLER> nope
[02:23] <Matt|> GFXstyLER, an error message would help
[02:23] <Matt|> oh
[02:23] <bob2> d0gmaz: run "apt-get update", then you can install xcompmgr from synaptic or apt or whatever
[02:23] <GFXstyLER> maybe some problem with the notebook?
[02:23] <bob2> Matt|: can't you get icewm-session to run nautilus for you?
[02:23] <d0gmaz> bob2, thanks
[02:23] <GFXstyLER> on pc it runs fine
[02:23] <bob2> but I'm pretty sure xcompmgr is in hoary now
[02:23] <ogra> GFXstyLER: which brand/model
[02:24] <GFXstyLER> fujitsu amilo d 1840
[02:24] <ogra> bonobo: laptops
[02:24] <bonobo> ubuntu on laptops: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[02:24] <Matt|> bob2, xcompmgr isn't there yet
[02:24] <ogra> bonobo: xompmgr
[02:24] <bonobo> ogra: Error: 'xompmgr' is not a valid command.
[02:24] <GFXstyLER> it isnt listed there :) but i guess ill try, though
[02:24] <ogra> bonobo: xcompmgr
[02:24] <bonobo> get xcompmgr from deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[02:24] <Matt|> bob2, dunno if getting icewm-session to run nautilus for me would help, maybe it is worth a try
[02:24] <bob2> ah, you're right, just the libs are
[02:24] <Matt|> bonobo, do I need to just say xcompmgr or can you pick it out of a sentence?
[02:24] <bonobo> Matt|: Error: 'do' is not a valid command.
[02:24] <bob2> Matt|: I think it will
[02:25] <Matt|> bob2, ok i will try
[02:25] <ogra> Matt|: not yet
[02:25] <GFXstyLER> can i use another boot loader than grub? maybe that would help
[02:25] <ogra> Matt|: wfx wants to implemet regex matching...
[02:25] <Xenguy> GFXstyLER: yes - you run the 'expert' install I believe
[02:26] <bob2> oh dear
[02:26] <ogra> GFXstyLER: try some boot options, like said on the laptops page i.e. noacpi nolapic noapic
[02:26] <bob2> who's running that bot?
[02:26] <Matt|> bob2, i don't know how to do it
[02:26] <ogra> bob2 ?
[02:26] <bob2> ogra: bonobo
[02:26] <ogra> bob2 wfx
[02:27] <ogra> bob2 he is off currently....
[02:27] <GFXstyLER> how do i run options :D ? im a little new to linux
[02:27] <Matt|> it would probably be good to have the bot off while testing
[02:27] <ogra> bob2 whats wrong....
[02:27] <bob2> yeah, I know
[02:27] <Matt|> GFXstyLER, you can edit the grub menu by pressing escape when it starts, then pressing E for edit, and then adding the lines which you find on that page
[02:28] <Xenguy> GFXstyLER: when you begin the install, press F1 for help (it says so right on the screen)
[02:28] <EfaistOs> hi
[02:28] <ogra> bob2 look, you complained about much typing....try bonobo: ati
[02:28] <EfaistOs> the xorg server is by default in ubuntu in hoary ?
[02:28] <Matt|> ogra, yeah but it is not working well yet. it should be testing elsewhere in my opinion
[02:28] <Matt|> EfaistOs, yes
[02:29] <GFXstyLER> and then when i have pressed F1 i press escape and then E for edit and then adding the lines?
[02:29] <Matt|> GFXstyLER, no my directions were if ubuntu is already installed. His directions were for running the cd
[02:29] <GFXstyLER> oh
[02:29] <bob2> ogra: oh, not complaining, just curious
[02:29] <GFXstyLER> sorry *g*
[02:29] <GFXstyLER> thanks i will try that later
[02:29] <ogra> bob2 oh, ok.....
[02:30] <giard> anyone know how to change your default language in ubuntu/gnome?
[02:30] <EfaistOs> Matt|, and is it better than the original X ?
[02:30] <Matt|> EfaistOs, dunno ;) it works ok
[02:30] <EfaistOs> and can we keep X if we dont want xorg
[02:30] <bob2> ogra: can anyone edit it's factoids?
[02:31] <ogra> bob2 me,wfx and plovs currently
[02:31] <GFXstyLER> does anyone know if the ati 3d accerleration works in ubuntu? because it doesnt work in other ditros for me, too
[02:31] <bob2> ogra: oh, suck
[02:31] <bob2> GFXstyLER: why doesn't it work in other distros?
[02:32] <ogra> bob2 want to add something ?
[02:32] <GFXstyLER> dont know, it only works with SuSe, no others
[02:32] <Matt|> bob2, i'm doing some browsing: https://listman.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2003-January/msg00265.html
[02:32] <ogra> bonobo: ati
[02:32] <bonobo> ubuntu with ati: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:32] <Matt|> GFXstyLER, i have the free ati drivers working ok here
[02:32] <supos> doesn't Ubuntu have modconf (as the one in Debian) or a similar utility
[02:32] <GFXstyLER> oh that sounds good :D
[02:32] <bob2> ogra: well, I would like  to have access to add and modify things
[02:32] <GFXstyLER> thanks
[02:33] <ogra> bob2: i dunno how to grant it, i think wfx has to do it....
[02:34] <bob2> ogra: do you know his/her email address?
[02:35] <EfaistOs> does xorg uses the same config files than X  ?
[02:35] <bob2> no
[02:35] <scoon> hey all, anyone have a TON of trouble with key mappings and xfree ?
[02:35] <EfaistOs> bob2, do u know what are they  ?
[02:35] <moyogo> EfaistOs: xorg uses /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:36] <EfaistOs> thanks moyogo
[02:36] <ogra> bob2 ?
[02:36] <bob2> ogra: wfx's, so I can ask for access
[02:37] <ogra> bob2: see my priv msg
[02:37] <bob2> I don't see one
[02:38] <d0gmaz> the x.org.conf wich is used by ubuntu is in /etc/X11 right?
[02:38] <bob2> yes
[02:38] <bob2> if you need to edit it, tho, it's a bug
[02:39] <d0gmaz> i want to enable composite but it wont wor
[02:39] <d0gmaz> work
[02:40] <d0gmaz> No composite extension
[02:40] <bob2> there was a typo in daniel's announcement
[02:40] <d0gmaz> it says
[02:40] <bob2> did you install it?
[02:40] <GFXstyLER> wow linux seems to be a lot faster on my pc than on my notebook, even they are close the same system
[02:40] <d0gmaz> yes
[02:41] <moyogo> bob2: what was the typo?
[02:41] <clee> GFXstyLER: hard drive speed probably has a decent amount to do with that
[02:42] <bob2> enable instead of enabled
[02:42] <bob2> iirc
[02:42] <d0gmaz> bob2, i added these things to my xorg.conf http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Using%20the%20Composite%20extension
[02:42] <clee> bob2: did you hear the word? I spread about 30 Ubuntu CDs to my Red Hat peers.
[02:43] <GFXstyLER> yes the harddrive of the pc is much faster, maybe thats the reason
[02:43] <bob2> clee: hah, awesome.  any word back yet?
[02:43] <clee> bob2: not yet. initial impressions of the packaging were very positive though.
[02:43] <bob2> clee: careful you don't get in trouble ;-)
[02:44] <bob2> d0gmaz: and what and where dod you get an error?
[02:44] <clee> bob2: heh, are you kidding me? dude, you guys are on Product Management's radar now ;)
[02:44] <d0gmaz> when i run xcompmgr
[02:44] <d0gmaz> No composite extension
[02:44] <ogra> clee: hehe
[02:44] <Gwildor> i HAVE NOT installed the fglrx ati drivers, i am now on hoary, and xorg, is it too late to install them, the how to's are for xfree
[02:45] <bob2> clee: haha
[02:45] <clee> bob2: I'm serious, btw. Donald Fischer, one of the guys in PM, actually has both a copy of your x86 Warty CD set and the PPC install disc
[02:45] <bob2> d0gmaz: can you put up your xorg.conf up somewhere?
[02:46] <d0gmaz> yea gimme a sec
[02:46] <ogra> bob2 /join #ogra
[02:46] <bob2> clee: woah, wow
[02:46] <bob2> clee: do you think we're seen as up against fedora or rhel or both?
[02:47] <clee> bob2: right now? not sure. I'm willing to bet that I'll be called in on a meeting about it if it's deemed a threat to RHEL.
[02:47] <clee> bob2: I personally see you guys as the RHEL to Debian's Fedora
[02:49] <d0gmaz> bob2, http://www.pastebin.com/119702 here it is
[02:49] <bob2> clee: hmmmm, very interesting
[02:49] <clee> bob2: yeah, well, we'll see how it goes :)
[02:49] <clee> bob2: I handed them out yesterday, so maybe I'll have some feedback on Monday
[02:49] <leonel> how can I get  hoary  ?
[02:50] <usual> change warty in sources.list
[02:50] <usual> to hoary
[02:50] <leonel> thanks
[02:50] <bob2> leonel: install warty, move to haory.  or try out the alpha lpah lpha cds colin made last week
[02:50] <clee> bob2: of course, I'm sure you can't really say in detail, but would you agree more with my assessment? or would you say otherwise? re the RHEL/Fedora outlook.
[02:50] <bob2> clee: ah, right
[02:51] <d0gmaz> pretty weird no gui ftp client on a standard install
[02:51] <mtl> hmm
[02:51] <b_e_n_z> d0gmaz, not weird
[02:51] <mtl> apt-get install gftp
[02:51] <d0gmaz> yea i know
[02:52] <d0gmaz> but you got a whole office suite but no ftp client
[02:52] <b_e_n_z> d0gmaz, you do know that there's firefox right?
[02:52] <d0gmaz> yes
[02:52] <b_e_n_z> d0gmaz, and in the URL you can type ftp://
[02:52] <d0gmaz> but i cant upload or can i?
[02:53] <bob2> clee: hm...ubuntu is going hard on the community side of things, too, to create a strong community as well.  but at the moment, debian is very much our backbone.
[02:55] <jcspray> d0gmaz: nautilus can do ftp.
[02:56] <clee> bob2: well, the thing is, Fedora is going that way. the problem really is that it was announced and forced out prematurely; the infrastructure for it being a community project was never in place
[02:57] <clee> bob2: but there's a CVS server which (if it hasn't been announced yet) is going to be made public soon
[02:57] <ogra> d0gmaz: if you want it the "old" way sudo apt-get install gftp
[02:57] <bob2> clee: ah, that is a good start
[02:57] <ogra> d0gmaz: but i would also suggest nautilus, its pretty cool
[02:58] <bob2> clee: there seems to have been a fair bit of disappointment with how fedora's community aspect has been delt with so far
[02:58] <clee> no more than from internally, trust me
[02:58] <clee> I don't think that a lot of people grok this about RH
[02:58] <clee> but we flame eachother and bitch and complain *way* more than the outside does about us
[02:58] <jcspray> there's all this neat stuff in nautilus that's too hidden.  Like, who's going to figure out that you have to open your home directory and click "Places -> CD Creator" to burn a CD?
[02:58] <clee> you should *see* the flamewars on the internal mailinglists about shit
[02:58] <bob2> haha
[02:59] <b_e_n_z> jcspray, i find that nautilus is pretty cool that if i right click on an ISO and i can burn the image to disk
[02:59] <b_e_n_z> jcspray, cdr i imeant
[03:01] <clee> bob2: seriously. and there have been plenty of flames directed at Gafton as far as the Fedora thing goes. But Fedora right now, at least within Red Hat, is mostly a one-man show. So it's amazing (to me anyway) just how far it's already come
[03:03] <slightly> Hello
[03:03] <jcspray> b_e_n_z: sure, it's useful, it's good functionality.  What I'm saying is that someone new to GNOME is going to scan through the applications menu for a cd burning app, not see one, and assume there isn't such functionality.
[03:03] <Xenguy> thoreauputic: gloin_ ogra supos -- the 'vesa' driver worked (for X4 on S3 Trio vid card) !  Even more amazingly is that this GNOME desktop actually seems to run not badly on a P-233 with ~100Mb RAM (must be the 2.6 kernel?)
[03:04] <Xenguy> anyhow - w00t! :-)
[03:04] <ogra> hehe
[03:04] <Lathiat> Xenguy: Yeh i run GNOME on a P266 with 192mb ram (laptop)
[03:04] <bob2> clee: hrm, I didn't realise it was like that, it seemed it was intended as a major corporate thrust
[03:04] <slightly> I'm dual-booting Ubuntu and OS X on a powerbook, and I want to delete the Ubuntu install and restart it. However, OS X can't read the Ubuntu volume. Any ideas how I rectify this?
[03:04] <Xenguy> Lathiat: I was expecting bloat-city, y'know?
[03:04] <Lathiat> Xenguy: its the roam that gets it
[03:04] <Lathiat> *ram
[03:04] <clee> bob2: heh. the rest of the company tends to take a while to catch up to the PR department.
[03:04] <thoreauputic> Xenguy: :)
[03:04] <Lathiat> cus i have 192mb ram, its fine
[03:04] <clee> bob2: those guys have big mouths. :/
[03:05] <Xenguy> Thanks again you guys - success
[03:05] <Xenguy> Lathiat: yeah, RAM always helps
[03:05] <Lathiat> n13AxX
[03:06] <Lathiat> gah
[03:06] <bob2> slightly: just reinstall it
[03:06] <bob2> slightly: tell the partition tool in ubuntu to format the existing ubuntu partition
[03:06] <Xenguy> Lathiat: time to change your password d00d :P
[03:06] <bob2> clee: hah, right
[03:06] <Lathiat> Xenguy: good thing it wasnt all of it, but yes :)
[03:06] <usual> haha
[03:06] <Xenguy> quick ;-)
[03:06] <bob2> clee: that lack is one of our advantages for now then ;-)
[03:06] <slightly> hm, so I can reinstall Ubuntu from Ubuntu itself?
[03:07] <bob2> slightly: no, when you boot the cd
[03:07] <Lathiat> i blame jamesh
[03:07] <slightly> ah, I didn't do it from CD, I dl'edit
[03:07] <Lathiat> because i was editing gnome-autogen.sh to take --force out from automake
[03:07] <slightly> biab
[03:07] <Lathiat> and needed my rootpw :)
[03:07] <usual> what's up with this log entry
[03:07] <usual> Nov 13 16:09:28 localhost sshd[12015] : reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for adsl-131.103.46.info.com.ph failed - POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT!
[03:08] <Lathiat> usual: ignore that, iirc it means the reverse/forward dns of an ip werent the same, could be wrong?
[03:08] <usual> Lathiat, yea, i thought so also, but it see's it as a break in
[03:08] <Lathiat> usual: its just a warning
[03:09] <Lathiat> i.e. if they arent the same someone coudl be doing dodgy things
[03:09] <ChibiFS> :D Rawkin.
[03:10] <gloin_> ubuntu runs really lightweight on pretty much any hardware platform from what I see
[03:10] <gloin_> one of the reasons I like it =] 
[03:10] <littlegreenman> how can i under ubuntu see what hardware I am running?
[03:10] <gloin_> cpu[Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz @ 2.666 GHz | Cache size: 512 KB] 
[03:10] <gloin_> heh
[03:10] <Lathiat> ChibiFS: are you running gnome2 tho :)
[03:11] <bob2> littlegreenman: which hardware?
[03:11] <littlegreenman> because you guys are discussing on what machine you are running ubuntu
[03:11] <ogra> littlegreenman: deviace manager
[03:11] <gloin_> as a gamer, I've found that my framerate is astonishingly improved using ubuntu versus some of the commercial distros
[03:11] <ChibiFS> Hell no, XFCE.
[03:11] <ogra> -a
[03:11] <littlegreenman> and i don't feel like going to xp to see what i have
[03:11] <ChibiFS> I hate gnome :/
[03:11] <littlegreenman> ok gona try that
[03:11] <Lathiat> ChibiFS: i love gnome, not on that hardware tho :)
[03:11] <Lathiat> ChibiFS: and yes xfce rocks, i ran it on my p133 laptop w/64mb ram
[03:12] <Xenguy> ChibiFS: woo, no way :-) Ahh XFCE - nice.  How much RAM (out of curiousity) ?
[03:12] <gloin_> littlegreenman: you could also download sysinfo.pl for xchat
[03:12] <gloin_> =] 
[03:12] <Lathiat> and on my 32mb laptop too
[03:12] <Lathiat> that was p133 as wel
[03:12] <ChibiFS> 30 megs
[03:12] <Lathiat> im getting a nice new laptop soon, mmm 1.6ghz pentium-m :)
[03:12] <Xenguy> hahah this is sweet
[03:12] <littlegreenman> gloin: ok, you are way ahead of me....
[03:12] <ChibiFS> Compaq LTE 5300
[03:12] <littlegreenman> maybe later
[03:12] <Lathiat> sick of this 266mhz slow piece of crap :)
[03:12] <gloin_> littlegreenman: google sysinfo.pl
[03:12] <gloin_> download that
[03:12] <ChibiFS> I've been compiling a FB kenrel for it for the past... mmm.... 11 hours
[03:13] <gloin_> ok
[03:13] <ogra> lol
[03:13] <Lathiat> littlegreenman: http://lathiat.bur.st/sysinfo264.pls
[03:13] <Lathiat> saved you the effort :)
[03:13] <thoreauputic> littlegreenman: one command is ; cat /proc/cpuinfo
[03:13] <littlegreenman> yes gloin, but then how do i make it run :D
[03:13] <gloin_> littlegreenman: when you've downloaded it, go to the X-Chat menu, and click "Load plugin or script"
[03:13] <gloin_> browse to the file
[03:13] <gloin_> click OK =] 
[03:13] <ogra> ChibiFS: your only ubuntu system ?
[03:13] <Lathiat> littlegreenman: mv sysinfo264.pls sysinfo264.pl; chmod u+x sysinfo264.pl; ./sysinfo264.pl
[03:13] <Lathiat> littlegreenman: (in a terminal)
[03:13] <dargo> hi all
[03:13] <ChibiFS> No. I run Ubuntu on my main desktop, too.
[03:14] <eclipse> how do you exit gdm?
[03:14] <ogra> ChibiFS: you could have compiled there.....
[03:14] <Lathiat> eclipse: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:14] <Lathiat> ChibiFS: each to his own
[03:14] <eclipse> thnx Lathiat
[03:14] <ogra> ChibiFS: and then just copy it over
[03:14] <Lathiat> anyone know what the *current* cvsroot for libburn is?
[03:14] <ChibiFS> Hehe, Yes, I could have :P
[03:14] <gloin_> littlegreenman: the file Lathiat sent you to will have to have the file extension renamed from "pls" to "pl" in order for it to work
[03:14] <ChibiFS> But this is more fun.
[03:14] <Lathiat> so many versions of all these projects elated to coaster
[03:14] <eclipse> that will end Xserver, right?
[03:14] <gloin_> nice hack to get the file to download rather than execute on the webserver =] 
[03:14] <Lathiat> gloin_: i did say that :)
[03:15] <littlegreenman> ok, goona try ... :D
[03:15] <ogra> *grins*
[03:15] <gloin_> oh
[03:15] <gloin_> lol
[03:15] <dargo> somebody uses rythymbox in UBUNTU?
[03:15] <Lathiat> dargo: i do
[03:15] <ogra> dargo: yep
[03:15] <Lathiat> dargo: wouldnt use anything else :)
[03:15] <ChibiFS> By the by, I need to get rid of these install packages. Anyone remember the command to get rid of all ll
[03:15] <ChibiFS> the debs that apt got?
[03:15] <dargo> sorry for my english...:P
[03:15] <gloin_> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.8.1-3-686 | Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz 2666.903 MHz | Bogomips: 5292.03 | Mem: 326/504M [||||||||||]  | Diskspace: 146.94G Free: 94.11G | Procs: 76 | Uptime: 8 hrs 19 mins 25 secs | Load: 0.05 0.05 0.01  | Vpenis: 52.7 cm | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV35 [GeForce FX 5900XT]  (rev a1) @ 1280x1024 (24 bpp) | eth0: In: 280.82M Out: 54.58M
[03:15] <gloin_> Sensors: HDD:
[03:15] <gloin_> wow
[03:15] <gloin_> it works!
[03:15] <ogra> ChibiFS: sudo apt-get clean
[03:15] <gloin_> sorry for the spam =[
[03:15] <thoreauputic> ChibiFS: sudo apt-get clean
[03:15] <eclipse> how do u exit X?
[03:15] <dargo> I have a problem with mp3, some work and other no
[03:16] <gloin_> eclipse: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:16] <ChibiFS> dargo- apt-get install gstreamer-mad
[03:16] <bob2> ChibiFS: no
[03:16] <ogra> bonobo: mp3
[03:16] <bonobo> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/
[03:16] <dargo> there's not plugin installed to handle...
[03:16] <ChibiFS> :o ?
[03:16] <eclipse> i just type that and nothing happened
[03:16] <ogra> dargo: look wht the bot said.....(bonobo)
[03:16] <ChibiFS> Isn't gstreamer-mad the mpeg libraries for GS?
[03:16] <gloin_> eclipse: did you prepend "sudo"?
[03:16] <bob2> ChibiFS: rhythmbox etc want gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:17] <dargo> ok ogra
[03:17] <gloin_> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:17] <ChibiFS> He said he was using rhythmbox
[03:17] <ChibiFS> Didn't he?
[03:17] <dargo> ChibiFS, that package already I have installed it
[03:17] <ChibiFS> I can't scroll up. :P
[03:17] <littlegreenman> ok guys, help needed... I am obviously connected to the internet cause I am talking to you, but my internet is down anywhere else... firefox doesn't go anywhere, evolution doesn't fetch my POP email, and ping on the terminal does not work..... :(
[03:17] <gloin_> littlegreenman: how are you connected?
[03:17] <eclipse> gloin_, no :)
[03:18] <Lathiat> littlegreenman: is this on separate machines?
[03:18] <eclipse> ok
[03:18] <littlegreenman> no same machine
[03:18] <gloin_> eclipse: how did you start X?
[03:18] <littlegreenman> broadband
[03:18] <Lathiat> thats odd
[03:18] <gloin_> littlegreenman: do you have a router in front of your computer?
[03:18] <Lathiat> dunno how you are ircing if you cant do anything else
[03:18] <littlegreenman> yes gloin
[03:18] <eclipse> it's automatic
[03:18] <ChibiFS> killall gdm
[03:18] <gloin_> Lathiat: I think his DNS server died
[03:18] <littlegreenman> i am using x-chat
[03:18] <ChibiFS> :
[03:18] <gloin_> littlegreenman: try this
[03:18] <Lathiat> littlegreenman: ping 130.95.13.25 on your terminal
[03:18] <littlegreenman> sec
[03:18] <ogra> littlegreenman: can you ping ip adresses
[03:19] <littlegreenman> 64 bytes from 130.95.13.25: icmp_seq=2 ttl=39 time=412 ms
[03:19] <gloin_> yeah
[03:19] <gloin_> ok
[03:19] <littlegreenman> yes i can
[03:19] <ogra> heh
[03:19] <gloin_> littlegreenman: edit /etc/resolv.conf temporarily and add in the front "nameserver 198.237.124.24"
[03:19] <usual> anyone want a gmail invite?
[03:19] <ogra> sudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf
[03:19] <sirjackalot> question: is there a good plugin for mozilla-firefox to play embedded avi's,mpgs and realplayer content? like from stupidvideos.com and so forth? i tried the mplayer-mozilla plugin but it doesn't do anything just sets there
[03:19] <usual> I got 6 new ones
[03:19] <gloin_> ogra: emacs owns gedit =P
[03:19] <littlegreenman> sec ogra
[03:19] <ChibiFS> Okay, I need to get out of here. This kernel isn't done yet. :/
[03:20] <ChibiFS> Anyone know of a good ncurses media player, by the way?
[03:20] <gloin_> lol
[03:20] <eclipse> by the way, where is the dir that u install the cursors?
[03:20] <ogra> workman
[03:20] <gloin_> there should be a vi VS emacs channel somewhere ogra
[03:21] <ogra> gloin_: i dont argue about that ;)
[03:21] <gloin_> no, because I'm right, ogra
[03:22] <thoreauputic> ogra, gloin_, http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/edistheeditor.txt
[03:22] <ogra> heh
[03:23] <ogra> :)
[03:23] <gloin_> lol
[03:23] <gloin_> email dated 1991
[03:23] <gloin_> =] 
[03:23] <thoreauputic> :D
[03:24] <gloin_> back when they used to say that EMACS stands for "Eight Megs And Constantly Swapping"
[03:24] <clee> emacs. heh.
[03:24] <gloin_> 'cause a hotrod box had 8M RAM lol
[03:25] <ogra> bonobo: pnp.mousemat
[03:25] <bonobo> http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/9804.0/0930.html
[03:25] <cyrus-tc> hey
[03:25] <cyrus-tc> ;)
[03:25] <cyrus-tc> what do you think?
[03:25] <cyrus-tc> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MouseButtonsExtended
[03:26] <eclipse> where do i go to get gnome toaster?
[03:26] <gloin_> eclipse: you might be happier with k3b
[03:26] <clee> k3b RULES
[03:26] <supos> If a driver module was written for a 2.4 kernel, there are no chances of making it work in 2.6, right? (short of rewriting the thing of course)
[03:26] <b_e_n_z> eclipse, it is a bad cd burning program... still uses gtk (not gtk2)
[03:26] <clee> and I'm not just saying that because I'm a KDE developer.
[03:26] <ogra> bonobo: maxbuttons
[03:27] <bonobo> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MouseButtonsExtended
[03:27] <gloin_> k3b is easier to use than pretty much anything for any OS I've found
[03:27] <ogra> heh
[03:27] <eclipse> gloin_, but with k3b i can't burn ISO files
[03:27] <gloin_> clee: HUH?
[03:27] <gloin_> eclipse: yes you can
[03:27] <eclipse> how?
[03:27] <clee> gloin_: ...
[03:27] <b_e_n_z> eclipse, nautilus can burn ISO... just right click on it
[03:27] <clee> gloin_: hi, I'm clee@kde.org, who are you? :)
[03:27] <Lathiat> supos: drivers are portable, depending on the module, what it uses etc, with varying degrees of dificulty, alot has changed tho
[03:27] <eclipse> ok
[03:27] <b_e_n_z> eclipse, i mean right click on the ISO file
[03:27] <eclipse> ok thnx
[03:28] <gloin_> eclipse: in k3b: tools menu, CD, burn CD Image
[03:28] <mojo_>  I'm wondering whether the Font Viewer feature available in GNOME? I can view font using Ximian GNOME in NLD9.
[03:28] <gloin_> opens a browse dialogue
[03:28] <gloin_> clee: I'm nobody special, just a KDE user from the 1.x days =] 
[03:28] <ogra> bonobo: kde
[03:28] <clee> gloin_: :)
[03:28] <bonobo> K Desktop Environment
[03:29] <eclipse> anybody in here using ubuntu hoary?
[03:29] <mojo_> KDE is getting too stuff recently
[03:29] <supos> Lathiat: It's a driver for an age old scanner. I've got the source, but before trying to compile it, I wanted to make sure it wasn't a hopeless project
[03:30] <Lathiat> supos: you wont be able to directly compile it
[03:31] <Lathiat> supos: there are quite a few changes, it wont be trivial
[03:32] <ogra> bonobo: gnome
[03:32] <bonobo> GNU Network Object Model Environment
[03:32] <supos> Lathiat: damn. I would have liked to make it work
[03:32] <ogra> supos: what kind of scanner ?
[03:33] <Lathiat> supos: you could, just not that easily :)
[03:33] <supos> ogra: A hp scanjet 5p - probably 10-12 years old :)
[03:33] <ogra> supos: scsi ?
[03:33] <supos> ogra: yeah
[03:34] <supos> ogra: with an isa scsi controller and all :)
[03:34] <ogra> oh, that gets hard
[03:35] <supos> ogra: I've got the controller detected and set up, I think
[03:35] <littlegreenman> :D finally!
[03:36] <ogra> supos: sounds good....dou you see it in the device manager ?
[03:36] <ogra> -u
[03:36] <ShadowHawk> I'm working on Wine's installation script, and it uses su, but ubuntu doesn't play well with that.  I'd like to run sudo, but other systems don't play well with that.  Is there an environment variable that says whether a system has a root user?  That way, I could check it and then determine which one to run.
[03:37] <supos> ogra: nope.
[03:37] <ogra> supos: the controller  ?
[03:37] <supos> ogra: nope, not either
[03:37] <Lathiat> ShadowHawk: what it needs is distro detection
[03:38] <supos> ogra: isapnp does find the controller though, and I've loaded the proper module
[03:38] <Lathiat> ShadowHawk: you can find out if a sysem is ubuntu by looking in /etc/lsb-release
[03:38] <ShadowHawk> Lathiat: But aren't there other, non-ubuntu distros that get rid of the root user?  I'd like to not have to make a hack for each one.
[03:39] <ogra> supos: sudo modprobe sg ?
[03:39] <Lathiat> ShadowHawk: you dont have a hack, you have a list of checks for the dstribution, and afaik ubuntu is the only to do this so far
[03:40] <Lathiat> ShadowHawk: i mean you could check if the root user has a password, but you need to be root to do that :)
[03:40] <ShadowHawk> Perhaps there should be an addition to some standards base somewhere for distros like Ubuntu that don't have a root user, so I don't need to check for each one.
[03:40] <ogra> supos: man sane-hp says its supported :)
[03:40] <supos> ogra: does nothing
[03:40] <supos> ogra: I know
[03:41] <ogra> supos: nothing in the device manager?
[03:43] <ShadowHawk> Lathiat: Can you help me with a shell command I can put in the script to check /etc/lsb-release?  The variables there aren't exported.
[03:43] <supos> ogra: no, not in the device manager, but lsmod shows sg, scsi_mod and sym53c416 (the card module)
[03:44] <Lathiat> ShadowHawk: that doesnt matter
[03:44] <supos> ogra: /var/log/messages shows: isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards...
[03:44] <Lathiat> ShadowHawk: http://lathiat.bur.st/ubuntu.shs
[03:44] <supos> ogra: isapnp: Card 'SYM 53C416'
[03:45] <ShadowHawk> Lathiat: broken link
[03:45] <Lathiat> ShadowHawk: try again (it was uploading)
[03:46] <ogra> supos: no devices while the driver is loaded ?
[03:46] <ShadowHawk> Lathiat: Thanks.
[03:46] <supos> ogra: nope
[03:49] <ogra> supos: sudo modprobe scanner ?
[03:50] <ogra> supos: oh, and: ls /dev/sg* ?
[03:52] <mdz> mojo_: applications, run application, fonts://
[03:52] <supos> modprobe scanner
[03:52] <supos> FATAL: Module scanner not found.
[03:53] <supos> ogra: I've got /dev/sg0
[03:54] <ogra> supos: great..... cat /proc/scsi/scsi ?
[03:55] <supos> what are the pasting rules in here?
[03:56] <bob2> more than ~5, try #flood or pastebin
[03:56] <ogra> supos: see topic
[03:59] <supos> ogra: see #flood
[03:59] <ogra> looks great
[04:00] <ogra> supos: tried xsane ?
[04:00] <supos> ogra: problem is this: http://www.kirchgessner.net/sanehpfaq.html numer 8.
[04:00] <supos> ogra: yeah, xsane says no available scanners
[04:01] <chazwurth> hey, can someone tell me how much hard drive space is needed for a 'default' install of ubuntu?
[04:01] <bob2> 1.8GB
[04:01] <bob2> 1.2GB if you disable the archiv e copier
[04:02] <chazwurth> bob2: archive copier? what does that do?
[04:02] <bob2> it copies all the .debs off the cd to the hard drive
[04:02] <bob2> so they can (sometimes) be installed quicker
[04:02] <chazwurth> ah, I see. thanks, I should have enough space then :)
[04:04] <ogra> supos: if its seen in /proc/scsi/scsi it should work.....
[04:07] <Gwildor> i HAVE NOT installed the fglrx ati drivers, i am now on hoary, and xorg, is it too late to install them, the how to's are for xfree
[04:07] <bob2> do they work with x.org at all?
[04:07] <gloin_> Gwildor: they should be similar enough
[04:07] <supos> ogra: Hey - it _is_ working, xsane just couldn't find it. I installed sane from universe and told it manually to us /dev/sg0 and it works!
[04:07] <Lowry> hi all
[04:07] <Gwildor> bo2, that is what i am asking
[04:07] <gloin_> fire-gl is a pain
[04:07] <ogra> bob2: currently they still should
[04:08] <Gwildor> g;oin_, radeon 7000
[04:08] <ogra> supos: ;)
[04:08] <Gwildor> gloin, radeon 7000
[04:08] <gloin_> Gwildor: just use the default radeon module, you should be fine
[04:08] <ogra> supos: no need to compile in ubuntu
[04:08] <supos> ogra: :)
[04:08] <Gwildor> gloin_, well my fps is a bit lower in xorg, just trying to fix it
[04:08] <gloin_> heh
[04:08] <Lowry> Looking at http://geekounet.org/powerbook/driplusxv.html
[04:09] <gloin_> Gwildor: it's hard to imagine anything BUT fps issues with a 7k
[04:09] <Lowry> Did ppc users get the mach64 branch?
[04:09] <Gwildor> gloin_, well i was getting 4k+, now i getting around 2.5k
[04:10] <Lathiat> supos: :)
[04:10] <gloin_> yikes...
[04:10] <Gwildor> ?
[04:10] <gloin_> significant difference
[04:10] <Gwildor> yes
[04:11] <gloin_> how about ingame?
[04:11] <Gwildor> idk, havent tried any yet
[04:11] <GFXstyLER> hi again
[04:11] <Gwildor> ET is downloading atm
[04:11] <gloin_> aye
[04:11] <gloin_> speaking of which
[04:11] <Gwildor> gloin_, installin tuxracer to test atm
[04:11] <gloin_> bbl
[04:12] <GFXstyLER> i have 2 problems
[04:12] <GFXstyLER> 1. how can i change the text color of xchat? i cannot see anything when typing because the text is too bright
[04:12] <supos> now I don't have to tell my parents that Linux couldn't make their scanner work, that would have been so humiliating, after I finally convinced them to switch to Linux from Windows :)
[04:13] <ogra> GFXstyLER: look at the mirc colors option in the settings
[04:13] <GFXstyLER> 2.i havent set a password to the root account, and i dont know how to login to root now :D very stupid of me
[04:13] <GFXstyLER> thx ogra
[04:13] <ogra> GFXstyLER: foreground you wnt to change
[04:14] <ogra> +a
[04:14] <bob2> GFXstyLER: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:14] <bob2> GFXstyLER: you don't need to login as root
[04:14] <GFXstyLER> for the sources.list i have to login as root, otherwise i cannot edit it
[04:14] <ogra> GFXstyLER: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SudoRoot
[04:14] <littlegreenman> :D
[04:14] <GFXstyLER> thx
[04:15] <ogra> bonobo: sudo
[04:15] <bonobo> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SudoRoot
[04:15] <Gwildor> anyway to see my fps while playing tuxracer?, even if it is terminal output?
[04:15] <ogra> heh
[04:15] <supos> ogra: Now how should I set permissions on /dev/sg0 so that users can scan without sudoing?
[04:15] <Lathiat> supos: you can add a ruel to udev
[04:16] <GFXstyLER> 404 page does not exist ;)
[04:16] <supos> Lathiat: udev
[04:16] <supos> ?
[04:16] <Lathiat> its what manages /dev
[04:16] <Lathiat> ls -la /dev/sg
[04:16] <ogra> supos: look for the group sg0 is owned by
[04:16] <Lathiat> migh tfind it has a group you can add users to or whatever
[04:16] <dopey> or sgid the application
[04:16] <ogra> dopey: bah
[04:17] <Lathiat> dopey: ipv6 miniconf was rejected :(
[04:17] <dopey> Lathiat: ouch.
[04:17] <Lathiat> oh well be nice not to be running around and just attend as an attendee this year
[04:18] <Lathiat> hopefully i can save up enough
[04:18] <ogra> supos: should be cdrom
[04:18] <Lathiat> i doubt my papers will be accepted either
[04:18] <Lathiat> but i kinda expected that
[04:18] <Lathiat> hence me sayign it :)
[04:18] <chazwurth> hrm, so user accounts have sudo access to all commands on the system in ubuntu?
[04:18] <leonel> where can I get  a deb  or repository for   Firefox 1.0 for Ubuntu ?
[04:18] <dopey> Lathiat: why ?
[04:18] <supos> ogra: disk
[04:18] <Lathiat> dopey: too many applications apparently, and i dont think they like me too much cus im not linux related enough
[04:18] <ogra> supos: sudo adduser supos disk
[04:19] <nanotech> i'm trying to complie some source and the output from ./configure states that i'm missing glib libraries; the package manager show that i have plenty of glib libraries installed (ie, libglib). What do i need to do?
[04:19] <Lathiat> dopey: not exactly a big figure in the community or anything, and at the time theyll be looking at it my project doesnt have a release (spent the last 2 weeks tackling linuxisms with multicast, gah)
[04:19] <mdz> chazwurth: no, only the initial user added during installation
[04:19] <Lathiat> altho my paper is more based around the howl project
[04:19] <ogra> bonobo: sudo
[04:19] <bonobo> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SudoRoot
[04:19] <ogra> chazwurth: see this page
[04:19] <Lathiat> and how it works in general, why its cool, etc
[04:20] <GFXstyLER> bonobo the page is not existing :D
[04:20] <bonobo> GFXstyLER: Error: 'the' is not a valid command.
[04:20] <dopey> Lathiat: rough, mate.
[04:20] <GFXstyLER> huh ? what?
[04:20] <dopey> Lathiat: on the other hand, more time for drinking :)\
[04:20] <ogra> bonobo: sudo
[04:20] <bonobo> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:20] <ogra> sorry
[04:20] <Lathiat> dopey: i wont be legal but its never stopped me before :)
[04:20] <nanotech> anyone else running to my problem? has anyone else have this library installed? i don't see glib1.2.0 or higher on the package manager
[04:20] <dopey> Lathiat: 'cactly :)\
[04:20] <Lathiat> dopey: hel went on a pub crawl nearly 2 years ago when i was 14 with the LCA03 organisers :)
[04:21] <Lathiat> dopey: only got stopped at 1/7 places, a guy just said he was my father :)
[04:21] <dopey> heh
[04:21] <dopey> well, from what i recall, you are allowed various places with a guardian
[04:21] <ogra> GFXstyLER: bonobo is a bot
[04:21] <Lathiat> yeh
[04:21] <supos> ogra: done that, but still won't allow it. Will I need to log out and back in?
[04:21] <Lathiat> your allowed anywhere usually
[04:21] <Lathiat> there are some exceptions
[04:21] <Lathiat> theres a pub here my cousin works at that wouldnt let me in with my mother
[04:21] <Lathiat> a bit harsh...
[04:21] <dopey> and if there are $lots of legal age, one person under is generally ignored
[04:21] <ogra> supos: try it
[04:21] <dopey> odd
[04:22] <Lathiat> dopey: yeh
[04:22] <Gwildor> anyway to see my fps while playing tuxracer?, even if it is terminal output?
[04:22] <dopey> but then, the licencing laws are pretty odd
[04:22] <Lathiat> dopey: mmhmm
[04:22] <Lathiat> man went to have dinner at a pub last night, restauant doesnt open saturday nights :( had to goto some dodgy asian place
[04:22] <nanotech> has anyone been able to compile software with this distro?
[04:22] <chazwurth> okay, so is there an easy way to disable the first account's acces? is it just in /etc/sudoers, or does ubuntu do something different?
[04:22] <Lathiat> chazwurth: just /etc/sudoers
[04:23] <chazwurth> Lathiat: thanks
[04:23] <dopey> edit it with the 'visudo' program
[04:23] <ogra> chazwurth: will bring a lot of trouble with the config tools in gnome.....
[04:25] <Lathiat> dopey: mm i should remember that :)
[04:25] <Lathiat> dopey: so, ever done any multicast programming in linux? :0
[04:25] <chazwurth> ogra: that's allright. even if I decide to use those, I'd like to set things up such that the root password is prompted for rather than the user's. also, there are plenty of commands that would be available by default that have no gnome config tools.
[04:25] <dopey> Lathiat: so far, avoided it. closest i came was setting up ganglia
[04:25] <Lathiat> works fine if you say i want all multicast traffic, as soon as you tell it what interface you want no traffic comes in anymore :( gah
[04:26] <Lathiat> and what i like, under ipv4 you tell it the IP of the interface, for ipv6 you tell it the interface index
[04:26] <Lathiat> go consistency!
[04:26] <Lathiat> this is so not going to be portable
[04:26] <ogra> chazwurth: they all use gksudo, i heard your changes in the Computermenu get reverted
[04:26] <Ruffian|JANE|> hey bob2, are you there?
[04:27] <ogra> chazwurth: ...on next login
[04:27] <chazwurth> ogra: hmm. I'll have to play around with it once I finally install ubuntu :) mostly, I just don't want the user account to have access to things like fdisk or mk[whatever] fs :)
[04:27] <Lathiat> chazwurth: They wont
[04:27] <Lathiat> chazwurth: well, they can use mkfs, but it wont be much good on anything but a file
[04:27] <Lathiat> chazwurth: they cant write to system partitions, etc
[04:29] <ogra> chazwurth: they are only able to use the gnome tools or, if they know what sudo is use the command with sudo/passwd
[04:29] <chazwurth> ah, ok
[04:29] <ogra> chazwurth: and btw, only the first user got sudo access ;)
[04:30] <iminj> exit
[04:30] <nanotech> also, i was wondering why during my apt-get upgrade that a few packages were held back
[04:30] <Lathiat> nanotech: you need to apt-get dist-upgrade, also if you have removed ubuntu-desktop (i.e. by installing totem-xine and other things), thatl also be part of it
[04:31] <chazwurth> gotta run (finally done at work :) thanks for the information
[04:32] <nanotech> i'm not following; when i installed totem, and xine (weren't these part of the package mamager) i removed the ubuntu desktop? what does this mean? the ubunutu desktop? link me to a doc plz
[04:34] <zenwhen> its a meta package that is of no real use and can be removed without harm
[04:34] <nanotech> the ubuntu desktop?
[04:34] <zenwhen> yes
[04:34] <zenwhen> that package
[04:34] <zenwhen> it is not the ubuntu desktop
[04:35] <nanotech> i thought ubuntu installed the gnome desktop 2.8
[04:35] <zenwhen> indeed it does
[04:35] <nanotech> are you telling me that ubuntu has it's own?
[04:35] <zenwhen> but that is not what that package contains
[04:35] <nanotech> fully independant of gnome 2.8?
[04:35] <zenwhen> that package contains some dependency info that is of no use
[04:35] <zenwhen> no
[04:35] <zenwhen> i am speaking of that package
[04:35] <wasabi> this conversation is funny.
[04:35] <zenwhen> yes
[04:35] <wasabi> ubuntu-desktop is a PACKAGE
[04:35] <stuNNed> is 'ati' driver in xorg.conf same as 'radeon' driver?
[04:35] <zenwhen> hurts head
[04:35] <zenwhen> ;-;
[04:35] <wasabi> PACKAGE. not "desktop".
[04:36] <wasabi> It depends on everything that should be preinstalled.
[04:36] <zenwhen> thx
[04:36] <wasabi> It is there to make it easier for the installer to install everything it should... it only installs "ubuntu-desktop", and everything else is pulled along.
[04:36] <zenwhen> my head was gonna go atomic in a sec or two
[04:36] <zenwhen> ;-;
[04:37] <nanotech> ok, it's a package, and installing other software that may conflict with this removed it?
[04:37] <zenwhen> i think that package should totally be hidden
[04:37] <wasabi> correct.
[04:37] <nanotech> ok.
[04:37] <dopey> isnt 'ubuntu-desktop'
[04:37] <dopey> isnt 'ubuntu-desktop' both a package and a task ?
[04:37] <wasabi> I think it's fine. Just deal with it.
[04:37] <zenwhen> i think its a fine way of doing things but it confuses people.
[04:37] <nanotech> so when i install xine, and totem...i can't get mplayer in my apt-get calls?
[04:38] <wasabi> people shouldn't be in synaptic dealing with packages directly imo
[04:38] <wasabi> but as of now, they are.
[04:38] <zenwhen> oh
[04:38] <wasabi> somebody's got a Add/Remove type capplet in the works.
[04:38] <zenwhen> whys that
[04:38] <wasabi> Very simple. Lists nice names.
[04:38] <wasabi> not technical package and dependency info
[04:38] <zenwhen> cool.
[04:38] <dopey> nanotech: I believe mplayer has licencing problems/disputes, which currently restrict distribution
[04:39] <zenwhen> i just popped into the debian unstable rpeos and grabbed it
[04:39] <zenwhen> lol
[04:39] <nanotech> if you remove these functions from the distro, pwople can't learn how to use package management
[04:39] <wasabi> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:39] <zenwhen> repos*
[04:39] <wasabi> nanotech, remove what?
[04:39] <nanotech> "people shouldn't be in synaptic dealing with packages directly imo"
[04:39] <wasabi> nanotech, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:39] <wasabi> nanotech, never said remove anywhere in there.
[04:41] <nanotech> then clarify what you meant by that statement, if you could...why do you believe this? and what do you have planned on changing things for the furture
[04:41] <wasabi> *I* have nothing planned.
[04:41] <nanotech> ao da
[04:41] <nanotech> er...so da
[04:42] <wasabi> ANd I ment exactly what I said. General users should not be digging around in depedencies and apt-sources and the like, tracking down missing dependencys and resolving conflicts.
[04:42] <nanotech> ok...would you mind letting the room in on why you feel that users should be in synaptic dealing with packages directly?
[04:42] <nanotech> nm
[04:42] <Lowry> So a mac os x update option?
[04:43] <wasabi> Lowry, apt-get install update-manager upgrade-notifier
[04:43] <wasabi> Hoary.
[04:43] <wasabi> THere will be a nice friendly Add/Remove dialog.
[04:44] <zenwhen> wasabi, general users should be in synaptic breaking the hell out of their installs so they learn how not to do so
[04:44] <wasabi> Where you select something like "Evolution Mail Client"
[04:44] <nanotech> wasabi, i felt that a major part of growing with your Linux box was breaking various dependencies and figuring out how to remedy the problems.
[04:44] <zenwhen> anyway... its not so easy to break your install
[04:44] <zenwhen> in synaptic
[04:44] <nanotech> i seriously love this shit, and want to learn more
[04:44] <wasabi> Then do so.
[04:44] <wasabi> My mom has no want nor need to.
[04:44] <zenwhen> wasabi, is you mother in this channel?
[04:45] <wasabi> My mother wouldn't be on IRC>
[04:45] <wasabi> BUt she is running ubuntu.
[04:45] <zenwhen> if so, is your mom nanotech?
[04:45] <nanotech> hell no.
[04:45] <zenwhen> because you sem to be telling him that he should youse his computer as your mother does.
[04:45] <zenwhen> seem*
[04:45] <zenwhen> use*
[04:45] <zenwhen> arg
[04:45] <zenwhen> typo city
[04:45] <wasabi> Did I tell him anything?
[04:45] <wasabi> I don't remember doing so.
 ANd I ment exactly what I said. General users should not be digging around in depedencies and apt-sources and the like, tracking down missing dependencys and resolving conflicts.
[04:46] <zenwhen> Then you were speaking of someone.
[04:46] <wasabi> You consider him a general user?
[04:46] <nanotech> ok...how can i complie source with this distro?
[04:46] <zenwhen> Why should general users not actually learn linux?
[04:46] <wasabi> nanotech, same as with any other distro. Specific question?
[04:46] <zenwhen> nanotech, install build essential
[04:46] <nanotech> and install various packages not listed in the universe
[04:46] <wasabi> zenwhen, because then they won't use it.
[04:46] <LifesizeKenDoll> I'm trying out Fedora - and I have to say, I'm not fond of it compared to Ubuntu
[04:46] <zenwhen> wasabi, then they shouldnt use it
[04:46] <nanotech> wasabi, one sec
[04:47] <nanotech> let me find the line i stated eairler in the room
[04:47] <zenwhen> LifesizeKenDoll, with good reason. It offers nothing over ubuntu but bloat.
[04:47] <wasabi> zenwhen, I think you should read the About page on the web site.
[04:47] <LifesizeKenDoll> Ubuntu seemed to be a lot better integrated, simpler, better package management
[04:47] <zenwhen> wasabi, um... I dont see in there where it says that people shouldnt learn how to use linux.
[04:47] <wasabi> Ubuntu is a Linux distribution that starts with the breadth of Debian and adds regular releases (every six months), a clear focus on the user and usability (it should "Just Work", TM)
[04:47] <nanotech> (12:19:07) nanotech: i'm trying to complie some source and the output from ./configure states that i'm missing glib libraries; the package manager show that i have plenty of glib libraries installed (ie, libglib). What do i need to do?
[04:47] <LifesizeKenDoll> I am pro-Ubuntu
[04:48] <zenwhen> Are you assuming everyone but a select few is too stupid? Thats a pretty grim outlook on humanity.
[04:48] <LifesizeKenDoll> I've been using it for about 2 weeks-ish
[04:48] <wasabi> nanotech, you need the development headers.
[04:48] <wasabi> nanotech, in packages postfixed with -dev
[04:48] <wasabi> specifcally, libglib2.0-dev
[04:48] <Lathiat> nanotech: apt-get install gnome-devel should get anything youd need for a gnome/glib/gtk program
[04:48] <nanotech> i believe that i have that installed...will double check
[04:48] <nanotech> lathiat i'll do that
[04:49] <supos> Lathiat: It works like a charm now---thanks for all the help
[04:49] <nanotech> i have libglib-dev2.0 installed
[04:49] <nanotech> pervious to the error
[04:49] <Lathiat> supos: nps
[04:49] <wasabi> My view of ubuntu, that I get by reading the web page, and having a general understanding of the software they are working on, is that a goal is to be usable by the masses.
[04:49] <zenwhen> I dont assume th masses are stupid.
[04:50] <zenwhen> the*
[04:50] <wasabi> Stupid?
[04:50] <wasabi> Unconcerned.
[04:50] <zenwhen> Thats where we differ.
[04:50] <wasabi> THe vast majority of people do not use their computer to be taught something.
[04:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> I can't believe I wasted 4 CD's *sigh*
[04:50] <wasabi> THey use it to get a job done.
[04:50] <Lathiat> LifesizeKenDoll: 4 cds on what?
[04:50] <zenwhen> How hard is synaptic to use?
[04:50] <wasabi> You know, browse the web, send email, write a document.
[04:50] <wasabi> zenwhen, amazingly.
[04:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> Lathiat: I wanted to check out Fedora Core 3
[04:50] <zenwhen> it requires a bare minimum of interaction.
[04:50] <LifesizeKenDoll> Lathiat: I miss my Ubuntu
[04:50] <Lathiat> LifesizeKenDoll: heh
[04:50] <wasabi> zenwhen, these vast majority I speak of double click on a .exe to install a program and have it walk them through it.
[04:51] <wasabi> Step by step.
[04:51] <wasabi> Without any understanding of what is happening.
[04:51] <zenwhen> So in order for Linux to become useable by the masses, it must become Windows?
[04:51] <nanotech> that spoonfeeding will be ubuntu's downfall
[04:51] <Lowry> burn - install - detect -work - like mac users have had for years
[04:51] <nanotech> people hate that shit
[04:51] <wasabi> zenwhen, if I ment that, I would have said that.
[04:51] <zenwhen> Thats a grim outlook on OSS.
[04:51] <wasabi> Grim outlook?
[04:51] <nanotech> and i can't stand working with people like that
[04:52] <nanotech> raise the bar for us a little
[04:52] <wasabi> That we should try to cater to the population?
[04:52] <zenwhen> Well what you are speaking of would be moving Ubuntu towards being more and more Windows like.
[04:52] <wasabi> Geeze.
[04:52] <wasabi> Fooled me.
[04:52] <wasabi> I thought software was ment to be used.
[04:52] <nanotech> us=meaning that i've somehow taken the voice of these "masses" here
[04:52] <wasabi> I'm not going to compare it to anything else.
[04:52] <zenwhen> Id just stop using it if they started hiding things like synaptic for fear that the "retarded lazy masses" might get confused.
[04:52] <wasabi> Windows or OS X or whatever.
[04:52] <wasabi> But a focus is on usability.
[04:53] <ogra_dogwalk> bonobo: ubuntu
[04:53] <bonobo> Ubuntu" is an ancient African word, meaning humanity to others . Ubuntu also means I am what I am because of who we all are . The Ubuntu Linux distribution brings the spirit of Ubuntu to the software world."
[04:53] <nanotech> surely windoze usebility models aren't the prime render for ubuntu's future...fucking ludicris
[04:53] <Lowry> Getting work done on hardware you have - old or new
[04:53] <LifesizeKenDoll> I heart my Ubuntu
[04:53] <supos> ogra_dogwalk: It's working perfectly now--- thanks for all the help!
[04:53] <mojo_> Hi all ppl
[04:54] <mojo_> I just pack all newest Industrial theme from NLD9
[04:54] <wasabi> This conversation is over. I won't have people putting words into my mouth.
[04:54] <mojo_> the file is 17MB
[04:54] <mojo_> I need a host
[04:54] <mojo_> anyone has one?
[04:54] <ogra> supos: youre welcome
[04:54] <ogra> ;)
[04:54] <zenwhen> I love Ubuntu the way it is. It doesnt need to be dumbed down. My complete computer newb cousin manages to use synaptic fine.
[04:54] <supos> ogra: and now I'm off to bed, then it's the ancient isa sound card tomorrow :)
[04:54] <zenwhen> He can barely use windows.
[04:55] <wasabi> zenwhen, obviously you missed the part about GNome already being dumbed down.
[04:55] <nanotech> bonobo, i've read the desmond tutu text offered from the ubuntu site...there's no correlation between the FSF and the theology other than connanical's prime Mr. money bags lives in S. Africa
[04:55] <bonobo> nanotech: Error: "i've" is not a valid command.
[04:55] <ogra> supos: id like to attend this one....
[04:55] <supos> lol
[04:55] <ogra> nanotech: bonobo is our url bot
[04:55] <nanotech> and any other software philosophy
[04:55] <zenwhen> Wasabi, it doesnt need to be dumbed down further. How about we disable right click?
[04:55] <nanotech> :P
[04:55] <nanotech> oh
[04:55] <zenwhen> Dont want people getting confused.
[04:55] <wasabi> zenwhen, read the GNome HIG.
[04:56] <Qo-noS> wasabi: that's what led to MS installs being so proned to virii/worm/trojan attacks along with the exploits i.e. dumbing down an OS to cater to one's perception of the "typically Stupid Joe/Mary Sixpack" allows for the germination of laziness and reliance on others to do what is really one's (i.e. the end-users' job i.e. basic housekeeping to securing one's install. User-Friendliness i.e. Dumbed-down user friendliness Vs Dilligence (mus
[04:56] <Qo-noS> t be equiiped with the KNOWLEDE i.e. POWER of KNOWLEDGE), I'll pick KNOWLEDGE/DILLIGENCE ;)
[04:56] <wasabi> zenwhen,
[04:56] <wasabi> Popup menus provide shortcuts to those menu items that are applicable only to the currently selected object. As such, they are sometimes known as "context menus" or "shortcut menus". A popup menu is shown when the user right-clicks on an object, or selects the object and presses Shift-F10.
[04:56] <zenwhen> I have. it didnt dsay anything about copying add/remove programs fom windows and hiding everything that reswmbles linux from the user.
[04:56] <nanotech> i agree qo-noS
[04:56] <wasabi> Since the user may not be aware of their presence, do not provide functions that are only accessible from popup menus unless you are confident that your target users will know how to use popup menus.
[04:57] <supos> ogra: yeah well, if you're hanging out in here tomorrow (or whatever time of day you have in about 6-7 hours) you just might
[04:57] <ogra> supos: fine....
[04:57] <ogra> supos: think it will be a bit later though
[04:57] <supos> night folks
[04:57] <ogra> night
[04:58] <LifesizeKenDoll> Oh blessed Human theme, how I missed thee in thy lack of craptacularness
[04:58] <zenwhen> wasabi, that doesnt point towards disabling right click.
[04:58] <zenwhen> Thats common sense there in the HIG.
[04:58] <wasabi> zenwhen, good. Because I never said to disable synaptic.
[04:58] <wasabi> I also never said remove.
[04:58] <MoonSweep> wan warty and hoary be mixed up like stable/testing/unstable in debian ?
[04:58] <MoonSweep> s/wan/can
[04:58] <zenwhen> I just think you give the "masses" too little credit.
[04:59] <zenwhen> Thats all I am saying.
[04:59] <wasabi> zenwhen, I work with the "masses" daily.
[04:59] <ogra> MoonSweep: you shouldnt
[04:59] <wasabi> I am quite aware of them.
[04:59] <MoonSweep> ogra: why ?
[04:59] <wasabi> I work with people who LOOSE their taskbars.
[04:59] <nanotech> heh, wasabi's fucking greedy...he twists the perspectives of the gnome HIG, but never fesses up to the purposed inuendo he states.
[04:59] <zenwhen> As am I.
[04:59] <wasabi> LOSE
[04:59] <ogra> MoonSweep: rather hoary or warty
[04:59] <zenwhen> And I too work with them daily.
[04:59] <MoonSweep> is warty usable yet ?
[04:59] <wasabi> zenwhen, so when XP had the ability to lock the taskbar, it was immediatly deployed across my company. :0
[05:00] <zenwhen> MoonSweep, apparently not. You can still use the right mouse button.
[05:00] <zenwhen> lol
[05:00] <wasabi> Doesn't mean the user can't unlock it. Just means he's not likely to do it accedently.
[05:00] <ogra> MoonSweep: if you know how to fix breakages use hoary..... otherwise stick to warty and wait until april
[05:00] <zenwhen> Ok Im done with this. we dont see eye to eye.
[05:01] <zenwhen> and wont
[05:01] <wasabi> zenwhen, apt-get install gnome-app-install from hoary.
[05:01] <MoonSweep> ogra: just some "breakages" like the ones in testing or unstable ? i think i can handle them :)
[05:01] <bob2> Ruffian|JANE|: ?
[05:01] <zenwhen> wasabi, Id rather not. Ive no use for it.
[05:01] <wasabi> good. see, you have that choice?
[05:02] <ogra> MoonSweep: nope maybe bigger, maybe smaller... i.e. all language strings get stripped in extra packages next...can break a lot
[05:02] <mike_douglas> When I run md5sum on /dev/dvd it ends with a input/output error. Does this mean my dvd drive has gone FUBAR?
[05:03] <GSA917> does anyone here use ndiswrapper?
[05:03] <zenwhen> yes but once the "masses" have the choice to never se the underpinnings of Linux, many new linux users will never dig under Gnome. I think it will hurt the community. Thats all I am saying. Unchallenged users become a liability, not a benifit.
[05:03] <ogra> bonobo: ndiswrapper
[05:03] <bonobo> ubuntu with ndiswrapper, see here: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/view?searchterm=network/interfaces
[05:03] <MoonSweep> ogra: ok thanks
[05:03] <ogra> GSA917: see what the bot said (bonobo)
[05:06] <GSA917> yes, i know. i have an underlying question though. i need someone to compile ndiswrapper for me. in order to compile the file you need some updates, which requires an internet connection. so i cannot compile the file myself.. my only option is to find someone gracious enough to compile it for me, then put the compiled deb file to a disk so i can transfer it to my computer
[05:07] <nanotech> i fully agree with zenwhen; this goes totally against the ubuntu theology of community...one should have strong allies who'll help out withe their individual strengths when other can't necessarily call upon these strengths themselves,
[05:07] <GSA917> its like a never-ending loop. in order to have an internet connection i need ndiswrapper, and in order to compile ndiswrapper i need an internet connection
[05:07] <ogra> GSA917: look at the website, you dont need to compile anything in ubuntu
[05:07] <zenwhen> nanotech, exactly
[05:07] <Ruffian|JANE|> bob2, cant get my Mac to boot the OS 9.1 CD
[05:07] <Ruffian|JANE|> I press C
[05:08] <Ruffian|JANE|> nothin happends
[05:08] <nanotech> wasabi, youre charecter seems to be very counterproductive, and detremental to ubuntu development
[05:08] <nanotech> i wish i could lend you a hand
[05:08] <nanotech> but i'm such a noob
[05:08] <nanotech> all i've done so far is register bugs
[05:08] <GSA917> ogra: thanks i will check it out
[05:08] <nanotech> and hang out here
[05:08] <zenwhen> Eventually those able to help will be so outnumbered in the community that quality help will not exist when you do manage to screw up your install. At least it wont exist for free. It goes completely against the ideas of OSS and community driven software development.
[05:09] <ogra> GSA917: just get the package... on a floppy or so... to get it to your other pc
[05:09] <GFXstyLER> hi
[05:10] <zenwhen> nanotech, you are the kind of new linux user that winds up being an asset. DOnt ever hesitate to ask for help.
[05:10] <nanotech> i am thankful fro ubuntu being a "door to linux" however, i want the flexibility to break things if i fuck shit up
[05:10] <bob2> Ruffian|JANE|: yes, it's an old world mac
[05:10] <nanotech> arigato
[05:10] <Ruffian|JANE|> bob2, how do I get it to boot?
[05:10] <zenwhen> Anyway, I am cold.
[05:10] <zenwhen> brrrrrrr
[05:11] <bob2> Ruffian|JANE|: no idea, ask a mac os user
[05:11] <GSA917> ogra: once i get the package to a floppy, do i just double-click them to install them?
[05:11] <ogra> GSA917: nope....
[05:11] <GSA917> ogra: i opologize for my lack of knowledge
[05:12] <ogra> GSA917: copy it to your homedir and run im a terminal: sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb
[05:12] <zenwhen> GSA917, to install a .deb you .. oh well ogra is fast.
[05:12] <wasabi> nanotech, nothing ever will limit that flexibility. After all it's open source.
[05:13] <GSA917> ogra: thanks for your patience.
[05:13] <GSA917> zenwhen: thanks
[05:13] <nanotech> i've ran apt-get install gnome-devel, and my ./configure is still displaying that i need glib1.2 or greater...
[05:13] <ogra> zenwhen: i'm trained a bit ;)
[05:13] <zenwhen> np
[05:13] <wasabi> nanotech, that's a gnome 1 program.
[05:13] <wasabi> you need glib 1 to compile/use that.
[05:13] <nanotech> i also have the *dev packages installed from synaptic as well
[05:13] <nanotech> for glib
[05:13] <wasabi> you need the 1.2 packages.
[05:14] <ogra> nanotech: what do you compile ?
[05:14] <zenwhen> ogra, you are damn good at this being the channel ubuntu guru stuff. kudos
[05:14] <nanotech> so da
[05:14] <ogra> thanks
[05:14] <nanotech> does libglib2.0 superceede the 1.2 packages?
[05:15] <zenwhen> I really like this channel. There lots of helpful people, lots of new people wiling to learn, and lots of people who totally disagree with me and are willing to have civil discussions of differences.
[05:15] <zenwhen> Im a slackware nut swimming in a sea of Debian.
[05:15] <zenwhen> :P
[05:15] <ogra> nanotech: they could reside together once.....
[05:15] <ogra> lol
[05:16] <ogra> zenwhen: didnt install yet ?
[05:16] <zenwhen> Oh I did
[05:16] <zenwhen> And Have been using it for about a week and a half
[05:16] <ogra> zenwhen: not fully convinced ?
[05:16] <zenwhen> Completely
[05:16] <nanotech> i have all the libglib 2.0 packages installed, why do i need to downgrade? or are these a diffrent family of packages?
[05:16] <zenwhen> its like... a vacation
[05:17] <ogra> nanotech: this is a old world gtk 1.2 program
[05:17] <zenwhen> Thats how I describe moving from Slack to ubuntu.
[05:17] <ogra> nanotech: search for gtk1.2-dev
[05:17] <ogra> zenwhen: hehe
[05:17] <zenwhen> Things just work. If they didnt I could fix them.
[05:17] <zenwhen> I keep wanting something to crap on itself so I can swing into savior mode.
[05:17] <bob2> nanotech: you want libgtk1.2-dev
[05:18] <zenwhen> I had to install a webcam the other day just to challenge myself
[05:18] <zenwhen> then ubuntu had to go and make it work every time I booted
[05:18] <nanotech> arigato...this makes perfect sence
[05:18] <zenwhen> :mad:
[05:18] <wasabi> whomever came up with the ubuntu login sound is a genious
[05:18] <wasabi> genius
[05:18] <zenwhen> yeah
[05:19] <nanotech> the source i'm trying to compile and install is on an old tutorial site
[05:19] <nanotech> i disagree
[05:19] <zenwhen> It makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
[05:19] <nanotech> i find it anyoing
[05:19] <zenwhen> lol
[05:19] <zenwhen> I hated the little drumbeats at first.
[05:19] <zenwhen> But then I got used to them.
[05:19] <nanotech> we're talking about that cheesy african drum rool, right?
[05:19] <wasabi> nanotech, you are compiling gtk1 code. Gnome 2 uses Gtk2.
[05:19] <bigtony> when i try to use like azureus to store content on another drive of mine it says permission denied. i did chmod 666 /media/winFat2  but it doesn't appear to effect anything :(
[05:19] <wasabi> nanotech, gtk1 is on it's way to being dead.
[05:20] <wasabi> (amen)
[05:20] <nanotech> :P
[05:20] <wasabi> bigtony, you need to mount the windows drive with the fmask and dmask options.
[05:20] <wasabi> bigtony, you need to mount the windows drive with the fmask and dmask options.
[05:20] <nanotech> understandable; like i said the source is snagged from an old "complie source for linux" site
[05:20] <zenwhen> too bad gtk2 isnt quite as fast at rendering text
[05:20] <GSA917> one other quick question..how can i download packages from ubuntu since i cannot use the package manager?
[05:20] <bigtony> could you explain to me how to do that please?
[05:20] <ogra> zne: but looks far better
[05:20] <bob2> nanotech: what are you building?
[05:20] <ogra> zenwhen
[05:21] <bob2> bigtony: mount it with the umask=002 option
[05:21] <bigtony> ok ill try
[05:21] <zenwhen> ogra, I totally agree. Smooth and Industrial make me feel a bit funny down there.
[05:21] <zenwhen> lol
[05:21] <ogra> heh
[05:21] <bob2> GSA917: why can't you use the package manager?
[05:21] <nanotech> bob2, the software is called "corewars"
[05:22] <zenwhen> But its still a bit slower.
[05:22] <nanotech> i'll soon be compiling my box for more mulitimedia apps
[05:22] <GSA917> bob2: because i do not have an internet connection
[05:22] <ogra> bob2: he needs to install ndiswrapper first....
[05:22] <nanotech> for sound design and production
[05:22] <bob2> nanotech: ah, old school
[05:22] <zenwhen> I bet its worse dso for people without super fast systems. I should never say somehting is slow. I have no right.
[05:22] <nanotech> there's a ton of software that's not available in the synaptic lists
[05:22] <bob2> nanotech: what multimedia programs aren't in Ubuntu?
[05:23] <bob2> GSA917: um, ouch.
[05:23] <zenwhen> mplayer?
[05:23] <ogra> bonobo: mplayer
[05:23] <bonobo> mplayer on ubuntu: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:23] <bob2> bah
[05:23] <nanotech> and i tried snagging from universe, but fucked this up...and really want to start learning how to compile since i feel that it's a needed linux trait to have in my tool kit
[05:23] <GSA917> ogra: so is there an ftp site or something
[05:23] <Agrajag> nanotech: what's to learn
[05:24] <bob2> nanotech: what happened when you tried to get them from universe?
[05:24] <Agrajag> tar xvzf <package>.tar.gz
[05:24] <Agrajag> cd <package>
[05:24] <bob2> GSA917: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/
[05:24] <nanotech> bob2...there's quite a bit i'll be installing that not on the list, are you interested in any aspect inparticular?
[05:24] <Agrajag> ./configure && make && sudo make install
[05:24] <bob2> GSA917: get the .deb and install with "dpkg -i foo.deb"
[05:24] <bob2> nanotech: yes, what isn't packaged that you want?
[05:25] <zenwhen> i havent compiled anything but my kernel for a week
[05:25] <zenwhen> its like spring break in linux world
[05:25] <zenwhen> 8)
[05:25] <nanotech> everything from c-sound development environments, to loop creation tools, to waveshapping, to mastering software
[05:25] <bob2> nanotech: which *exact* pieces of software
[05:25] <nanotech> i was hopeing you'd say that
[05:25] <nanotech> brb
[05:26] <zenwhen> lol
[05:26] <bigtony> in the fstab i have /dev/hdb5 /media/winFat2  vfat   ro,umask=002, fmask=0333  0 0 is that right?
[05:26] <bob2> bigtony: remove the space between, and fmask
[05:26] <bigtony> ok
[05:26] <bob2> but I'm not sure why you have fmask
[05:26] <nanotech> bob2, on a side note, i'd like to see silc a part of ubuntu's lists
[05:26] <ogra> bigtony: ro ?
[05:27] <bigtony> << a newbie
[05:27] <bigtony> doen't know what he is doing
[05:27] <ogra> bigtony: ro = read only
[05:27] <bigtony> just going by websites information trying to learn ;)
[05:27] <ogra> bigtony: rw = read write
[05:27] <bigtony> ok
[05:27] <bigtony> so put rw in there i assume
[05:27] <Agrajag> umask and fmask are kind of useless,  vfat can't really store permissions
[05:27] <bob2> it's rw by default
[05:27] <bigtony> let me try
[05:27] <bob2> Agrajag: no, that's why umask is essential
[05:27] <ogra> bigtony: and drop the fmask
[05:28] <Agrajag> huh
[05:28] <Agrajag> is this for a desktop?
[05:28] <bob2> nanotech: silc the irc-ish protocol?
[05:28] <Agrajag> if som why any mask at all?
[05:28] <Agrajag> if not, why vfat?
[05:28] <bob2> Agrajag: do you know what the umask option does?"
[05:28] <Agrajag> yes
[05:28] <bigtony> ok so its /dev/hdb5  /media/winFat2  vfat  umask=002 0 0 ?
[05:28] <zenwhen> Agrajag, have I seen you somewhere before? SA? #slackware?
[05:28] <Agrajag> doesn't it just give you full permissions by default though?
[05:28] <Agrajag> zenwhen: what's an SA?
[05:29] <bob2> Agrajag: no
[05:29] <zenwhen> ok
[05:29] <ogra>  /dev/hdb5  /media/winFat2  vfat  rw,umask=002 0 0
[05:29] <zenwhen> Was checking.
[05:29] <bigtony> aww yeah forgot rw
[05:29] <nanotech> bob2, yes silc; the irc-ish protocol
[05:29] <bob2> nanotech: irssi supports it already
[05:29] <bigtony> how about on a ntfs drive?
[05:29] <nanotech> here's a quick link to some of the interested software: http://linuxaudioblog.jawebada.de/software/recording-sequencing
[05:29] <bigtony> and thanks by the way
[05:29] <bigtony> same thing?
[05:29] <bob2> bigtony: you can't write to them from linux
[05:29] <bob2> bigtony: yes, ntfs instead of vfat
[05:30] <Agrajag> bob2: yes you can
[05:30] <Agrajag> with captive
[05:30] <bob2> well, you can
[05:30] <bob2> but it needs captive-ntfs
[05:30] <nanotech> i use this as a major refrence...now i need to hit sourceforge for the c-sound environments
[05:30] <bob2> which is not something anyoen can help with if it breaks
[05:30] <stuNNed> what is captive-ntfs?
[05:30] <bob2> stuNNed: it loads the windows ntfs driver into the linux kernel
[05:30] <stuNNed> evilmegaman??? lol
[05:30] <bigtony> so i take it leave it at what i have it as
[05:30] <bob2> ecaound is in universe
[05:30] <bob2> ardour is
[05:31] <stuNNed> bob2, but is very untested i take it
[05:31] <bigtony> ntfs ro,dmask=0222,fmask=0333 0 0
[05:31] <ogra> apt-cache search csound
[05:31] <ogra> cecilia - graphic user interface for CSound
[05:31] <ogra> csound - powerful and versatile sound synthesis software
[05:31] <ogra> csound-doc - Documentation for Csound
[05:31] <ogra> nyquist - a language for music composition and sound synthesis
[05:31] <ogra> rosegarden4 - Music Editor and MIDI/Audio Sequencer
[05:31] <evilmegaman> Why does the live cd work but when I try to use the regular install cd it says It can't find the cd drive >.<
[05:31] <bob2> stuNNed: how can it ever tested?
[05:31] <bob2> ogra: please don't paste so much
[05:31] <evilmegaman> I am in the live cd right now
[05:31] <ogra> bob2: sorry
[05:31] <nanotech> bob2; what's irrsi?
[05:31] <bob2> nanotech: an irc client that also does silc
[05:31] <nanotech> i did a search in synatic, and couldn't find it
[05:31] <bob2> evilmegaman: tried the usual noapic, acpi=off stuff?
[05:32] <bob2> perhaps not in warty
[05:32] <nanotech> fuuck
[05:32] <evilmegaman> Nope
[05:32] <bob2> well, irssi is in warty with silc support
[05:32] <Agrajag> it's irssi not irrsi
[05:32] <nanotech> excuse me
[05:32] <evilmegaman> bob2: can you explain? I am not noobie but more of a seminoob
[05:33] <bigtony> ok one last newbi question?
[05:33] <nanotech> so this is an irc client that has a silc plugin?
[05:33] <bob2> using the word "noob" makes people not want to help you
[05:33] <evilmegaman> ah
[05:33] <bigtony> i forget how to mount the drive in the terminal is there a website or something for noobs like me :(
[05:33] <bob2> nanotech: yes
[05:33] <bob2> bigtony: mount /mnt/whatever
[05:33] <nanotech> so is gaim, btw...
[05:33] <bigtony> ok ten nevermind i'm an expert :)
[05:33] <Agrajag> man mount
[05:33] <bigtony> that better :)
[05:33] <bob2> (once you've edited fstab)
[05:33] <bob2> nanotech: so what more do you want?
[05:33] <bigtony> thanks again
[05:34] <nanotech> however, i recieve prob's with utiizing the silc protocol under gaim
[05:34] <bob2> nanotech: of all the software on that page, only xo wave and jack beat are not in ubuntu
[05:34] <ogra> bigtony: with sudo in front......
[05:34] <bob2> nanotech: please file a bug
[05:34] <dstate> you can use silky too
[05:34] <dstate> is a nice silc gui if you dont like gaim
[05:34] <bigtony> ok thanks trying now
[05:34] <evilmegaman> so what is the acpi thing? how should I use it and what is it?
[05:34] <stuNNed> what is silc?
[05:34] <ogra> evilmegaman: its in the menu in the beginning
[05:35] <bob2> evilmegaman: boot the install cd with the option "noapic".  then the option "acpi=off"
[05:35] <zenwhen> whats taters precious
[05:35] <bigtony> says its already mouned
[05:35] <bob2> stuNNed: a new protocol trying to be like irc but more secure
[05:35] <bigtony> so i guess unmount /media/winFat2 ?
[05:35] <evilmegaman> :) thank you bob2 and ogra
[05:35] <Agrajag> umount, not unmount
[05:35] <bob2> bigtony: you're trying to change settings on an existing mounted partition?
[05:35] <bigtony> yes
[05:36] <bigtony> just so i can store stuff on it
[05:36] <ogra> evilmegaman: i meant the menu on the livecd for install see bob2
[05:36] <bob2> umount /media/blah, then mount again
[05:36] <bigtony> ok
[05:36] <evilmegaman> oh ok
[05:36] <nanotech> bob2; "Wired" is not in synaptic
[05:36] <nanotech> it's not on that page
[05:36] <bob2> ok
[05:36] <nanotech> but it's formadable
[05:37] <bob2> is it Free?
[05:37] <yohannes> why cant i isssue a command: sudo export ......?
[05:37] <yohannes> anyone knows?
[05:37] <nanotech> shooooould be
[05:37] <bob2> yohannes: what are you trying to do?
[05:37] <nanotech> will fidn out
[05:37] <bob2> nanotech: if it's Free, file a RFP bug on Debian (assuming no one else has)
[05:37] <dopey> yohannes: export is a shell-builtin - sudo spawns a subshell, runs the command, then closes
[05:37] <bob2> or you can package itself
[05:37] <GSA917> bob2: ndiswrapper package is installed! now i need to install a linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386 package. i tried looking under /L/ on that site you gave me but i could not find it
[05:38] <yohannes> i am trying to add java to my environ path
[05:38] <bigtony> dang thats crazy says drive is busy but i'm not using it :(
[05:38] <dopey> yohannes: you shouldnt need sudo for that
[05:38] <Agrajag> bigtony: what directory are you in?
[05:38] <bigtony> in my home dir
[05:38] <bob2> GSA917: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.8.1/
[05:39] <bob2> bigtony: what does "lsof | grep /media/winFat2" print out?
[05:39] <ogra> GSA917: better http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta/
[05:39] <George_Deka> does anyone know how to add items to the computer menu ?
[05:39] <GSA917> thankyou bob2 & ogra
[05:39] <wasabi> don't think you can
[05:39] <bigtony> nothing
[05:39] <bigtony> taes me back to the #
[05:39] <yohannes> the thing is i am trying to install an app that i would like to put into /usr/local/bin but since the root does not have java path set to it, i cant do it
[05:39] <bob2> George_Deka: you can't
[05:40] <Agrajag> yohannes: just start a root shell
[05:40] <Agrajag> sudo su -
[05:40] <bob2> yohannes: export JAVAWHATEVER=blah, then run sudo whatever
[05:40] <bob2> Agrajag: you don't need to do that
[05:40] <yohannes> bob2: i did that already for myself, how can i set that path for the root?
[05:41] <yohannes> i tried sudo export... but it says the command is not recognized
[05:41] <bob2> yohannes: as dopey said, it's not a program
[05:41] <crimsun> yohannes: export JAVA_HOME in /etc/profile and also add $JAVA_HOME/bin to the beginning of $PATH
[05:41] <Agrajag> export is a bash builtin
[05:41] <bob2> yohannes: set it in your ~/.bashrc
[05:42] <yohannes> wow i am lost to what you guys just said
[05:42] <wasabi> is /etc/profile sourced by the X session?
[05:42] <bob2> wasabi: no
[05:42] <wasabi> shucks.
[05:42] <bob2> yes, it sucks
[05:42] <crimsun> use good ole login shells ;)
[05:43] <wasabi> Gentoo has something they're doing for that.
[05:43] <bob2> yohannes: add "exporth WHATEVER=whatever" to /etc/bash.bashrc
[05:43] <wasabi> /etc/env.d
[05:43] <bob2> that doesn't help at all
[05:43] <bob2> there's /etc/environment already
[05:43] <wasabi> they are sourcing them from the X login
[05:43] <ogra> yohannes: gedit ~/.bashrc
[05:43] <bigtony> any idea how to get the drive unbusy ?
[05:44] <bob2> bigtony: paste exactly what you're running and the output to #flood
[05:44] <Agrajag> bigtony: find out what process has it locked
[05:44] <Agrajag> lsof is useful
[05:44] <GSA917> ogra: so "linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386" and "linux-image-686_2.6.8.1-13_i386.deb " are the same thing?
[05:44] <bob2> we did lsof already
[05:44] <bob2> GSA917: no
[05:44] <bigtony> i use lsof it didn't d anything
[05:44] <ogra> get the latter
[05:44] <bob2> GSA917: you want the one fro mthe dir I gave you
[05:44] <wasabi> Hmm. I guess a amd64 kernel isn't installable with a 32 bit userspace?
[05:45] <elocal> hey
[05:45] <ogra> bob2: thats the source
[05:45] <bob2> ogra: how sure are you?
[05:45] <yohannes> bob2: should i add the command to the EOF?
[05:45] <elocal> word on AMD64 ubuntu performance and package avaliability?
[05:45] <bob2> ogra: "apt-cqache show linux-image-686"
[05:45] <bob2> elocal: it has just about everything ppc and i386 have
[05:45] <bob2> yohannes: wherever
[05:46] <bigtony> i assume there is a command to list the processes
[05:46] <bob2> 14:44:09           bob2 | bigtony: paste exactly what you're running and the output to #flood
[05:46] <Agrajag> ps
[05:46] <elocal> does ubuntu support any debian AMD64 packages, or do they have to be compiled under ubuntu system?
[05:46] <bob2> from the mount command
[05:46] <elocal> bob2, nice
[05:46] <ogra> bob2: will -16 comply with the ndiswrapper deps ?
[05:46] <Agrajag> ps auxww for very verbose output
[05:46] <bob2> elocal: don't mix unless you know what you're doing and now how to fix it when you break it
[05:46] <bob2> ogra: don't know
[05:46] <yohannes> bob2: should i relogin for it to take effect?
[05:46] <elocal> aighty
[05:46] <wasabi> what about running a 64 bit kernel with a 32 bit userspac?
[05:46] <bob2> ogra: but you were pointing him at a empty meta package
[05:47] <wasabi> I notice the 64 bit kernels don't show up in my apt
[05:47] <bigtony> bob i undersand what you said i just don't know how to generate the process list
[05:47] <bob2> yohannes: no, restart your terminal
[05:47] <elocal> I will be trying it when I finish my AMD64 rig :D
[05:47] <bob2> bigtony: why do you want a process list?
[05:47] <johnnybezak> whats the name of the gnome user admin tool?
[05:47] <yohannes> bob2: k thanks
[05:47] <elocal> bob2, tnx
[05:47] <GSA917> bob2: the most similar one i can find is "linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386_2.6.8.1-16_i386.deb "
[05:47] <bigtony> you just asked me what exactly i'm running and the output
[05:47] <bob2> bigtony: that's not what I said
[05:47] <bob2> bigtony: show me how you're trying to umount it and what it prints
[05:47] <bigtony> paste exactly what your running and the output to flood
[05:48] <bob2> nevermind then
[05:48] <GSA917> bob2: was "nevermind then" referring to me or bigtony?
[05:48] <ogra> bob2: youre right... i should get some sleep....
[05:48] <bob2> bigtony:
[05:49] <wasabi> linux-image-2.6-amd64-xeon_2.6.8.1-13_amd64.deb
[05:49] <wasabi> somebody explain that
[05:49] <wasabi> oh n/m got it
[05:49] <bob2> GSA917: I dn't know what ndiswrapper depends on
[05:49] <GSA917> bob2: it says to install "linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386"
[05:49] <bob2> ok
[05:50] <bob2> the one you found should work then
[05:50] <GSA917> alright, excellent. thanks.
[05:51] <ogra> bob2: linux-image-2.6.8.1-2* packages [default by installation]  do not include the needed ndiswrapper module.
[05:51] <ogra> bob2: is this still true ?
[05:51] <bob2> ogra: I believe so
[05:51] <ogra> bob2: the site is edited last  2004-10-07
[05:51] <bob2> I was under the impression that the module was in some other package
[05:52] <ogra> bob2: i thought linux-image-2.6.8.1-3 was on the official cd
[05:52] <GSA917> bob2: so i still need this file or should i be installing something else?
[05:52] <bob2> GSA917: I don't know what you're trying to do, really
[05:52] <bob2> just get ndis awrapper to work?
[05:52] <bob2> ogra: that is a good point
[05:52] <Agrajag> linux-image doesn't include the modules anyway, does it?
[05:53] <Lathiat> im curious, does ndiswrapper suck performance wise?
[05:53] <crimsun> Agrajag: sure it does.
[05:53] <bob2> it sucks evil-wise
[05:53] <crimsun> Agrajag: it doesn't include the restricted modules; those are in a separate package
[05:53] <Lathiat> i was just curious if it sucked performance wise, like can you get 500k/s out of it?
[05:53] <Agrajag> i thought the image just had bzImage, and modules were in another package
[05:53] <Agrajag> oh
[05:53] <bob2> Agrajag: no
[05:53] <GSA917> crap, so is this all useless? i am not allowed to buy a new wireless card and its either get this to work, or switch back to windowsXP
[05:54] <bob2> GSA917: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363
[05:54] <bob2> but seriously, it's not that hard to find wireless cards with useful linux support for next time
[05:54] <Agrajag> cisco aironets are great, assuming they still make them
[05:54] <GSA917> i am 16... :P. I got the wireless card from my dad
[05:56] <ogra> bob2: hmm, i havent installed anything extra /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper
[05:56] <bob2> that is pretty crackful
[05:59] <GSA917> ogra: i have that folder too... so is i guess i have the ability to setup ndiswrapper now?
[06:00] <bob2> GSA917: did you read that url?
[06:00] <ogra> GSA917: the ndiswrapper-utils package should be enough....i think you should try the command: uname -a
[06:00] <ogra> GSA917: to determine your kernel version
[06:01] <GSA917> bob2: yes, ive been following it up to this pt.
[06:01] <GSA917> ogra: ok
[06:01] <GSA917> ogra: 2.6.8.1-3-386
[06:01] <ogra> yay
[06:02] <bob2> you can go to step 4 now
[06:02] <GSA917> woo!
[06:02] <ogra> so just install the package
[06:02] <lamont_r> anybody know how to glue 100 .tif images into an mpg?
[06:02] <lamont_r> trying various mencoder encantations on converted .jpgs, but that just gives a white screen in mplayer...
[06:04] <ogra> night
[06:04] <GSA917> ogra: night
[06:04] <GSA917> thanks for your help
[06:07] <Gwildor> can i get OSS with XORG?
[06:08] <Agrajag> what
[06:08] <bob2> OSS is unrelated to your X server
[06:08] <bob2> ubuntu uses alsa almost exclusively, though
[06:09] <Gwildor> i have oss ne ways, sorry, i just used to have oss and alsa, now i only have oss, and the volume control is different now
[06:09] <Gwildor> i only have pcm, speaker, and in-gain
[06:09] <bob2> that's not a x.org issue
[06:10] <bob2> it might be related to the new version of gnome in hoary
[06:10] <Gwildor> just assumed it was....sorry
[06:10] <Gwildor> bob2, that could be it
[06:18] <bob2> nanotech: no need to /msg me
[06:18] <GSA917> bob2: i have done everything and now the "interfaces" section looks nothing like mine...i have no clue how i would go about changing it to look exactly like theirs.
[06:19] <bob2> make a new one
[06:19] <bob2> new section, not file
[06:19] <GSA917> bob2: ok
[06:20] <bob2> nanhttp://freshmeat.net/projects/wired/, it's LGPL
[06:21] <dstate> the website is down  thought for awhile now
[06:21] <dstate> bw limit
[06:22] <wasabi> Is there a way to make Gnome not startup on a second X display?
[06:22] <GSA917> bob2: it will not let me edit the file
[06:23] <Gmail> anyone know what happened to distrowatch.org its been died for a few days not
[06:23] <Gmail> *now
[06:23] <bob2> GSA917: you need to use sudo
[06:23] <GSA917> thx
[06:23] <bob2> Gmail: why don't you ask them?
[06:24] <bob2> wasabi: it wn't
[06:24] <punkass> is there a diff between .org and .com?
[06:24] <bob2> but it will start on both bits of a xinerama display
[06:24] <bob2> ideally, yes
[06:24] <wasabi> no, it is.
[06:24] <punkass> cuz .com is working fine for me
[06:24] <wasabi> I have a dual head X. Xinerama disabled.
[06:24] <wasabi> And gnome is happily creating panels on the second head.
[06:24] <bob2> dual head then
[06:25] <wasabi> The second head is a TV. I just play movies there.
[06:25] <wasabi> the panels actually get in the way (since they stay on top)
[06:25] <bob2> mplayer -fs jumps on top of panels
[06:26] <wasabi> =/ still annoying
[06:26] <GSA917> bob: is there any way i can edit the interfaces file? like sudo /etc/network/interfaces?
[06:26] <wasabi> GSA917, with a text editor, exactly like that.
[06:27] <bob2> GSA917: sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[06:27] <punkass>  sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces if you want a nice gui text editor
[06:27] <GSA917> thx guys...linux is so confusing
[06:27] <Gmail> bob2: how there died
[06:28] <punkass> i alwasy use vi..but i know some my find that confusing
[06:28] <bob2> Gmail: ?
[06:28] <wasabi> bob2, actually I am running mplayer with -fs
[06:28] <wasabi> but the panels still jump on top when mplayer looses focus
[06:28] <wasabi> because I work on my primary display.
[06:29] <billytwowilly> Is there a way to install ubuntu onto a software raid 1 partition?
[06:29] <bob2> wasabi: ah
[06:29] <wasabi> billytwowilly, using what software to drive the raid?
[06:30] <wasabi> you need a least one partition to load the kernel or initrd out of.
[06:30] <billytwowilly> wasabi, linux. The software raid howto talks about how you can use software raid to boot from using the persistent superblock
[06:30] <billytwowilly> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.9
[06:30] <billytwowilly> is the install setup to do this?
[06:31] <Majestic> What are the good things about Suse cmpared to other distros?
[06:31] <wasabi> billytwowilly, still have to load the kernel from someplace
[06:31] <billytwowilly> Majestic, wrong chan;)
[06:31] <wasabi> the persistant superblock only houses the raid configuration
[06:31] <Majestic> oop
[06:31] <Majestic> s
[06:31] <Majestic> lol
[06:31] <billytwowilly> wasabi, take a look at that page. It is possible to boot off of a software raid partition.
[06:32] <wasabi> billytwowilly, no, it's possible to mount a software raid partition as /. You still need to load the kernel out of something grub/lilo readable.
[06:32] <bob2> Majestic: #suse would be a better place to ask
[06:33] <billytwowilly> wasabi, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-7.html#ss7.3
[06:33] <wasabi> are you using raid 1?
[06:33] <billytwowilly> for the boot partition I would be.
[06:33] <wasabi> okay, that's fine then.
[06:34] <wasabi> should handle it fine.
[06:34] <wasabi> the installer loads the raidtools at boot I believe.
[06:34] <billytwowilly> it would be setup like this: 2 * 120 gig drives and 2 * 160 gig drives. the 40 gig partitions (minus swap on both disks) would be raid 1'd
[06:35] <wasabi> you must however remember that that isn't AS failsafe as hard ware raid
[06:35] <billytwowilly> wasabi, ok, I didn't see any obvious way to do it so that's why I'm asking. I'll have to take another look at the installer. I was hoping someone had done it before and there was a mini howto for ubuntu;)
[06:35] <wasabi> if the primary disk goes down, the system is unbootable without manual intervention
[06:35] <wasabi> (the bios will scan disks looking for a good drive, and neither will lilo)
[06:35] <wasabi> s/will/will not/
[06:36] <billytwowilly> That's fine. it's just a file server.
[06:36] <wasabi> i've had such setups been bit by that during a power surge
[06:36] <wasabi> boom, drive fries, system reboots.
[06:36] <wasabi> and never comes back
[06:37] <GSA917> i have about given up u__u
[06:37] <billytwowilly> yah, but with the raid 1 I should just be able to throw in a new 120 or 160 gig drive, partition it properly and it'll get rebuilt right?
[06:37] <bob2> GSA917: why?
[06:37] <genr> maybe use a ups from then on then, eh?
[06:37] <GSA917> linux is so damn hard, & nothing makes sense
[06:37] <wasabi> billytwowilly, yeah, the system will just be down until you do so.
[06:37] <GSA917> :P. ive been working since 1pm to get ethernet working, now it is 11:37 pm
[06:37] <bob2> GSA917: if you're using unsupported hardware, ti can be difficult, yes
[06:37] <billytwowilly> GSA917,  are you installing or are you in gnome and not liking it?
[06:37] <wasabi> I think he's playing with NDIS
[06:37] <bob2> GSA917: you're not getting ethernet working, you're configuring the kernel to load windows wireless drivers
[06:37] <wasabi> ?
[06:37] <genr> gsa, integrated?
[06:38] <bob2> billytwowilly: ndiswrapper
[06:38] <billytwowilly> wasabi, That's fine and expected. I was really hoping someone had done this before though;)
[06:38] <billytwowilly> boo ndiswrapper.
[06:38] <wasabi> billytwowilly, never with ubuntu.
[06:38] <wasabi> billytwowilly, I did not that the ubuntu installer has software raid options
[06:38] <billytwowilly> oh well. there is probably a debian howto out there.
[06:38] <bob2> GSA917: if your card had a linux driver, you'd just boot and it would work
[06:38] <GSA917> ya :/
[06:38] <wasabi> billytwowilly, so I believe it is very possible the installer could do it all for you
[06:38] <bob2> billytwowilly: we gave him an ubuntu howto
[06:38] <bob2> wasabi: no
[06:38] <wasabi> ?
[06:38] <genr> gsa, just get a 10 dollar realtek based chipset nic(like a dlink)
[06:38] <bob2> the installer cannot include windows drivers
[06:38] <wasabi> bob2, not talking about that.
[06:39] <bob2> and we cannot support ndiswrapper properly
[06:39] <GSA917> i took apart 3 other computers and they all had the same damn wireless cards XD
[06:39] <billytwowilly> heh. I'm confusing people;) I'll stop talking about my woes with ndiswrapper.
[06:39] <bob2> GSA917: where are you stuck?
[06:39] <bob2> GSA917: are you asure you have to use ndiswrapper for it?
[06:39] <wasabi> i use a lovely orinoco
[06:39] <wasabi> works like a champ
[06:39] <GSA917> bob2: trying to config the interface file
[06:39] <genr> yea i also have an orinoco
[06:40] <wasabi> GSA, what model is the card?
[06:40] <genr> super wide supported card
[06:40] <GSA917> WMP11 version 4
[06:40] <bob2> GSA917: you don't know how to edit the file itself?
[06:40] <wasabi> linksys?
[06:40] <bob2> GSA917: or what to put there?
[06:40] <billytwowilly> except for the lame software radio turn on/off
[06:40] <wasabi> that should be fine.
[06:40] <genr> yea thats linksys
[06:40] <GSA917> wasabi: correct
[06:40] <wasabi> it should be prism.
[06:40] <wasabi> ?
[06:40] <wasabi> I think that doens't require ndiswrapper.
[06:41] <wasabi> am i wrong?
[06:41] <GSA917> bob2: no, i know how to edit the file, it just keeps giving me errors when i do ifup wlan0
[06:41] <GSA917> wasabi: it isn't prism, the old WMP11 is
[06:41] <bob2> GSA917: are you sure you need to use ndiswrapper?
[06:41] <bob2> ah
[06:41] <GSA917> the new one is damn Broadcom based
[06:41] <wasabi> buh.
[06:41] <bob2> ew
[06:41] <wasabi> i've never even touched ndiswrapper thank god.
[06:41] <GSA917> yeah. ew. :P
[06:42] <bob2> GSA917: can you show us your interfaces file?
[06:42] <GSA917> yeah, but it is long. how should i show it?
[06:42] <billytwowilly> pastebin.com I think
[06:42] <GSA917> thx billytwowilly
[06:43] <bob2> or #flood, which is way less annoying
[06:43] <wood1> How do I receive Emails from Emacs ?
[06:43] <billytwowilly> heh. #ubuntu. all about choice
[06:43] <billytwowilly> ;)
[06:43] <bob2> wood1: there are a few systems.  gnus is complicated but very powerful.
[06:43] <wasabi> im not touching the emacs question with a 10 foot pole.
[06:43] <billytwowilly> wood1, evolution is pretty... emacs is ugly...
[06:43] <billytwowilly> or sylpheed
[06:44] <bob2> wow, such impartial advice guys
[06:44] <wood1> Yes evolution is goos
[06:44] <wood1> good
[06:44] <wasabi> gedit.
[06:44] <billytwowilly> ewe.
[06:44] <wood1> But i want to setup my Emacs to receive mails too
[06:44] <GSA917> bob2: it will take a second, i have to put the file onto a floppy and send it over to the laptop. this is fun stuff
[06:44] <bob2> wood1: "receive emails"?
[06:44] <bob2> GSA917: hah, I bet
[06:44] <wasabi> bob2, was impartiality required?
[06:44] <bob2> GSA917: the machine doesn't have an ethernet port?
[06:44] <wood1> sending mails from Emacs is easy but I can't receive emails from Emacs
[06:45] <bob2> wood1: you mean download via imap or pop?
[06:45] <billytwowilly> ubuntu uses lilo right?
[06:45] <wood1> How do I set it in Emacs to receive incoming emails too?
[06:45] <wasabi> grub.
[06:45] <wood1> Yes bob2
[06:45] <billytwowilly> darn.
[06:45] <bob2> wood1: you need to learn about gnus
[06:45] <GSA917> i dont have wires to connect, only a wireless router
[06:45] <wasabi> grub should be able to boot off of that too
[06:46] <wasabi> raid 1 should be readable just likea  normal partition
[06:46] <wasabi> unless it has some headers or something on it
[06:46] <wood1> Well is there any commands to setup a POP Account in Emacs using GNUS
[06:46] <bob2> wood1: it is not simple
[06:46] <bob2> wood1: http://my.gnus.org/
[06:46] <bob2> wood1: and then #emacs if you need more help
[06:46] <bob2> it's in the "gnus" package in ubuntu
[06:49] <GSA917> bob2: http://channels.debian.net/paste/45
[06:49] <wood1> Well I clicked on gnus but I can't set up a POP Account in Emacs
[06:49] <kapputu> bonobo: kapputu
[06:49] <bonobo> kapputu: always wants to know......
[06:49] <kapputu> bonobo: bob2
[06:49] <bonobo> kapputu: Error: 'bob2' is not a valid command.
[06:49] <kapputu> some truth
[06:49] <kapputu> bonobo: "invalid command"
[06:49] <bonobo> kapputu: Error: 'invalid command' is not a valid command.
[06:49] <bob2> kapputu: enough
[06:49] <bob2> wood1: #emacs
[06:49] <kapputu> I'm sorry
[06:50] <bob2> GSA917: erm, that's nothing at all like the example I showed you
[06:50] <GSA917> i know
[06:50] <dle> on Deb. systems, the docroot is supposed to be owned by www-data, is that right?
[06:50] <GSA917> when i do the example u show me there is even more errors
[06:50] <bob2> dle: no
[06:51] <bob2> GSA917: well, delete all the stuff you added and start over
[06:51] <GSA917> bob2: that was the interface file w/o me touching it
[06:51] <bob2> that's not even close to working, whereas the example I showed will work with minor tweaking
[06:51] <dle> bob2, by whom then? :)
[06:51] <bob2> dle: root:root
[06:51] <dle> hrm.
[06:51] <bob2> dle: if it was owned by www-data then someone cracking apache can modify the website's it serves
[06:52] <GSA917> bob2: i pasted that so u could show me what needed to be changed in the example you showed me.
[06:52] <bob2> make a webmonkey group or something and add people to it
[06:52] <GSA917> bob2: cause that is one the system automatically made
[06:52] <dle> bob2, I'm used to it being 'nobody' on other distros.
[06:52] <NewComer> anyone knows if there's some bootsplash-ready kernel out there? not ready of compiling my own kernel
[06:52] <bob2> GSA917: read the url I gave you to begin with, that is completely wrong
[06:53] <bob2> GSA917: delete everything between "iface lo inet loopback" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
[06:53] <bob2> dle: the dir or the process?
[06:53] <jdz`> or just comment it out, for now :)
[06:53] <GSA917> bob2: i KNOW that it is completely wrong. but by showing you what it looked like before it would enable you to tell me what to fix
[06:54] <bob2> GSA917: the one you pasted is how it was after ubuntu installed?
[06:54] <bob2> something is very very very broken then
[06:54] <bob2> anyway, delete all those lines and open up the website in your browser again
[06:54] <GSA917> bob2: it was how it was after i added the ndiswrapper package
[06:55] <wood1> can anyone teach me some basic commands using:    dpkg
[06:55] <bob2> wood1: you don't need to use dpkg
[06:55] <MoonSweep> wood1: "man dpkg"
[06:55] <bob2> GSA917: ok, the ndis wrapper pacjage won't have editd, tho
[06:55] <bob2> blah
[06:55] <wood1> Just a few very useful commands
[06:55] <bob2> if you need to use dpkg in warty, please file a bug on something
[06:56] <wood1> for example ?
[06:56] <bob2> -i and -r and -P are the only ones you might need to use, the manpage will tell you what they are
[06:56] <GSA917> bob2: really? i guess that means  i need to re-install ubuntu?
[06:56] <wood1> suppose I want to remove xmms from my system, how do I do that ?
[06:56] <bob2> GSA917: no
[06:56] <bob2> wood1: mark it for removal in synaptic, or aptitude or run "apt-get remove xmms"
[06:57] <bob2> GSA917: anyway
[06:57] <GSA917> bob2: i guess what i am getting at is that i dunno what the hell to edit in that url u gave me
[06:57] <bob2> GSA917: so why don't you say that?
[06:57] <bob2> GSA917: 15:53:03           bob2 | GSA917: delete everything between "iface lo inet loopback" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
[06:57] <bob2> do that, and tell me when you're done
[06:57] <GSA917> alright
 dle: the dir or the process? || I meant, httpd runs as user 'nobody' on some other distros.
[06:59] <wood1> By the way, how do I run different Window Managers like fluxbox in Warty ?
[06:59] <wood1> How do I install fluxbox in the first place ?
[06:59] <wood1> Because my system is pretty old
[06:59] <Agrajag> apt-get install fluxbox
[06:59] <bob2> dle: right.  debian tries to run them under seperate users to reduce rthe effct of a compromise
[06:59] <Agrajag> it's probably in universe
[06:59] <bob2> it is
[06:59] <GSA917> bob2: completed.
[07:00] <bob2> GSA917: now, see the block starting with "auto wlan0
[07:00] <bob2> "?
[07:00] <GSA917> yes
[07:00] <bob2> what's the line after that?
[07:00] <wood1> So I have to add universe to install fluxbox ?
[07:00] <bob2> wood1: yes
[07:00] <bob2> well, you don't have to, but it's far easier than the alternative
[07:01] <wood1> I see
[07:01] <GSA917> bob2: if you are talking about the url you gave me the line after "auto wlan0" is "iface wlan0 inet dhcp"
[07:01] <wood1> thanks to bob2 and all the rest of you out there
[07:01] <wood1> Good bye from Nepal
[07:02] <bob2> GSA917: ok, cool
[07:02] <bob2> GSA917: now, copy those two lines to /etc/network/interfaces on the machine
[07:04] <GSA917> bob2: done
[07:04] <bob2> now try "sudo ifup wlan0"
[07:05] <GSA917> a hella lot of errors
[07:05] <bob2> for example?
[07:05] <GSA917> Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A):
[07:06] <GSA917> wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[07:06] <bob2> have you loaded the ndiswrapper module?
[07:06] <GSA917> sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
[07:06] <GSA917> yes i have
[07:06] <bob2> what does "dmesg" say about it?
[07:06] <GSA917> what is the command i have to type in?
[07:07] <bob2> dmesg
[07:07] <GSA917> woah that is a lot of lines, hang on lemme sort thru it
[07:07] <lifeless> try sudo iwconfig
[07:08] <GSA917> lo  no wireless extensions, eth0  no wireless extensions,   sit0   no wireless extensions
[07:11] <bob2> you did do all the other steps, right?
[07:11] <bob2> ie load the module, load the .inf file
[07:11] <GSA917> yep
[07:11] <GSA917> everything
[07:11] <GSA917> there were 3 inf files i had to load
[07:12] <GSA917> and when i try to load them again, it says "already loaded"
[07:12] <bob2> and the ndiswrapper module itself is loaded?
[07:13] <GSA917> when i type "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" nothing happens
[07:14] <bob2> what are the last few lines of the output of dmesg?
[07:15] <GSA917> so i assume it did something...cause if i type something like "sudo modprobe poop" it gives the error message: "FATAL: Module poop not found"
[07:15] <GSA917> how many lines do u want me to go?
[07:16] <bob2> 5
[07:16] <GSA917> i gotta write each line 1 at a time, so dont type anything
[07:17] <GSA917> sda: write protect is off
[07:17] <GSA917> sda: mode sense: 0b 00 00 00
[07:17] <GSA917> sda: assuming drive cache: write through
[07:18] <GSA917> [writing this so doesnt delete]  /dev/scsi/host6/bus0/target0/lun0: unknown partition table
[07:18] <GSA917> ndiswrapper version 0.10 loaded (preempt=yes,smp=no)
[07:18] <joolz> good morning
[07:19] <GSA917> NET: registered protocol family 17
[07:19] <joolz> troubles here after apt-get update & upgrade
[07:19] <joolz> gaim won't do a lot of ptotocols
[07:19] <GSA917> 5-2: USB disconnect, address 5
[07:19] <joolz> does anyone alse have this?
[07:20] <GSA917> bob2: so, im guessing the line in question is "ndiswrapper version 0.10 loaded (preempt=yes,smp=no)"
[07:21] <bob2> yeah
[07:21] <bob2> well, it looks loaded
[07:21] <farruinn> the ubuntu website says that oldworld macs aren't supported at all by ubuntu - would it be possible to boot from the cd via bootx?
[07:21] <GSA917> bob2: yeah... i dunno whats the problem. everything SEEMS fine
[07:22] <joolz> oh, got it: apt-get -f install ; apt-get install gaim
[07:23] <bob2> farruinn: "not supported" as in "it may or may not work, but we can't fix it at this point"
[07:23] <bob2> farruinn: if you can get it installed, it should work fine
[07:25] <farruinn> ok, well seeing as how I've already got the iso about half downloaded I'll test that out for ya ;-)
[07:25] <GSA917> *crosses fingers*
[07:29] <farruinn> when was ubuntu begun?  it doesn't really say on the website, yet it says that the first release is 4.10 Preview
[07:29] <jdub> farruinn: the first people started around six months before 4.10 was released
[07:30] <GSA917> :(  i would love ubuntu forever if my network card & sound worked :(
[07:31] <nab_> hello!
[07:32] <nab_> Can you tell me how to remove the window animation while minimizing?
[07:34] <GSA917> bob2: thanks for your help & patience. i will try another day. goodnight
[07:34] <bob2> 'night
[07:36] <joshua__> hello
[07:51] <pdaoust> hey, question: does anyone know where to find a .config file that is identical to the configuration used to build the stock Ubuntu kernel?
[07:51] <nessmuk> can I get some help opening terminal? Desktop/mouse frozen after install.
[07:52] <farruinn> nessmuk, are virtual terminal's supported?  alt+ctrl+F1 etc?
[07:52] <pdaoust> nessmuk: in those situations, when control-alt-backspace and control-alt-F1 don't work, I usually try to find another computer and telnet into it myself
[07:53] <nessmuk> farr...yup, that worked.
[07:53] <bob2> pdaoust: /boot/
[07:53] <pdaoust> thanks, bob2!
[07:53] <bob2> pdaoust: but the ubuntu kernel source is very different to kernel.org's
[07:53] <pdaoust> I did install the ubuntu source package; would that make it okay?
[07:54] <Agrajag> eerrgh
[07:54] <bob2> linux-source-2.6.8.1?
[07:54] <nessmuk> pdaoust....telnet also sounds cool. Gotta PPC here on the same router, but couldn't figure out how to set up AppleTalk during previous install (brok it removing Evolution/Office
[07:54] <Agrajag> why didn't they just enable config support so you could grab it out of /proc?
[07:54] <bob2> what's the point when it's in /boot/?
[07:55] <pdaoust> bob2: now you got me thinking... yeah, I do have linux-source-2.6.8.1; that's just the stock kernel, right?
[07:55] <bob2> pdaoust: what are you trying to do?
[07:55] <bob2> it's the ubuntu kernel source
[07:55] <nessmuk> thnx farr! 'nite....
[07:55] <pdaoust> trying to follow the LIRC installation instructions verbatim, and it tries to look for various header files in order to compile the kernel modules
[07:55] <bob2> no
[07:55] <bob2> you want linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:56] <pdaoust> bob2: coming from Gentoo where you'd 'roll your own' all the time, I'm not familiar with having a kernel image preinstalled :)
[07:56] <pdaoust> wow, such a different world :)
[07:57] <stuNNed> pdaoust, :)
[07:57] <bob2> it's not considered improper
[07:57] <Klowner> at least it wasn't like redhat where it wouldn't boot with a vanilla kernel most of the time
[07:57] <bob2> just usually pointless
[07:57] <pdaoust> I'm just used to the hassle of rolling my own all the time :)
[07:57] <pdaoust> bob2: it's grabbing linux-headers-2.6.8.1 now
[07:57] <stuNNed> pdaoust, so you didn't use 'genkernel' in gentoo? ;)
[07:58] <pdaoust> stuNNed: nope
[07:58] <pdaoust> never did bother
[07:58] <nab_> guys please.. i clicked on every menu i found, toggled every switch but i dont make it stop using those window animations. doesnt anyone have a plan?
[07:58] <bob2> nab_: google knew nothing?
[07:58] <bob2> wow, first hit
[07:58] <bob2> http://www.google.com.au/search?q=metacity+disable+window+animation&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
[07:59] <nab_> ah metacity, good word, thanks bob!
[07:59] <Klowner> :) not everyone knows that gnome uses metacity
[08:00] <nab_> i heard that before, but didnt think of it. i used "gnome windows animation" etc that lead to many pages without good infos
[08:03] <nab_> damn, it seems there is no easy solution for it
[08:06] <punkass> nab_: Gconf editor > apps > metacity > general
[08:06] <punkass> click on Reduced Resources
[08:07] <punkass> that will stop the minimizing effect
[08:07] <nab_> yes i found that already but to make animation stop i will have to use wireframe moving as well, and that sucks even more ;)
[08:07] <punkass> yeah was just going to say that
[08:07] <nab_> someone says the only solution is to compile a patch etc, thats too 1337 for me :\
[08:07] <punkass> hehe
[08:08] <bob2> you could just stop minimising
[08:08] <bob2> I have ten virtual desktops and never minimise anything
[08:09] <punkass> its funny i have never caught on to virtual desktops
[08:09] <punkass> i run dual monitors maybe that is why
[08:09] <pdaoust> okay, my head is swimming...
[08:09] <nab_> hehe
[08:09] <punkass> they make sense tho...maybe just have to forcemy myself to get used to them
[08:09] <pdaoust> nobody's had any experience compiling and installing kernel modules (especially LIRC, have they?)
[08:10] <pdaoust> whoa, that was a grammatical mess
[08:11] <nab_> by the way, my Totem player refuses to play mp3, and i would like to see why. is remember there is a special console command that lets you see internal (debug) information of the process when started from the console
[08:11] <bob2> you need to read the FAQ
[08:11] <pdaoust> nab_: are you using a default install?
[08:11] <bob2> then install gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:12] <pdaoust> nab_: in order to install that, you'll have to turn on the 'restricted' repository
[08:12] <nab_> ah yes i remember that from faq, i installed it and installed several other mpg related things from synaptic, but still no success
[08:12] <punkass> ive had the same problem with rhythbox and i have gstreamer0.8-mad installed
[08:12] <bob2> it should work
[08:12] <nab_> totem doesnt play mp3 and doesnt play my funny videos which are .mpg
[08:12] <pdaoust> punkass: now that's just weird -- any error messages?
[08:12] <bob2> and has for lots of people
[08:12] <bob2> gstreamer0.8-mad is not in restricted
[08:12] <pdaoust> 'snot?
[08:12] <pdaoust> is it in universe then?
[08:13] <bob2> yes
[08:13] <|trey|> pdaoust: yes
[08:13] <pdaoust> ah
[08:13] <pdaoust> (I installed it; forgot where I installed it from)
[08:13] <punkass> omg it just started working...that is bizarre
[08:13] <pdaoust> :)
[08:13] <pdaoust> don't you just love computers?
[08:13] <punkass> hehe
[08:14] <pdaoust> they tell us computers don't think for themselves... but I know the truth
[08:14] <pdaoust> they're sentient
[08:14] <nab_> thats why i wanted to see the debug innfos. there is that dmesg command that lets you see the output of some commands after execution. maybe there is one for normal apps and their output as well? i could see what totem requires to work
[08:14] <pdaoust> well, I'm going to forget about this LIRC crap for tonight; I was so happy 'cuz I've just finished soldering my own homebrew receiver, but I don't know how on earth to compile modules and all that jazz.
[08:15] <pdaoust> nab_: some programs will log their stuff to /var/log/messages
[08:15] <bob2> nab_: dmesg is for kernel notes
[08:15] <bob2> nab_: run totem from a terminal and you can see it's output
[08:15] <nab_> ok i will look at that folder, thanks
[08:15] <bob2> pdaoust: you should just have to install kernel-package, lircs-modules-source (or whatever) and headers, then you're right
[08:16] <bob2> totem will not have printed anything to /var/log/messages
[08:16] <pdaoust> nab_: actually, it's a file -- if you go 'tail -f /var/log/messages' it'll give you a play-by-play of additions to the log
[08:16] <pdaoust> bob2: didn't think so, but tail -f /var/log/messages is always a great command to know ^_^
[08:16] <bob2> true
[08:16] <nab_> bob2, i already did that but its output isnt informative. btw totem just crashed. i think it doesnt find my output device..
[08:16] <pdaoust> bob2: so I don't necessarily have to compile anything?
[08:17] <nab_> okay thats a good topic, my soundcard :)
[08:17] <bob2> nab_: does sound work in general?
[08:17] <bob2> pdaoust: you do need to compile stuff, but only the modules
[08:17] <pdaoust> mmkay
[08:17] <pdaoust> hello, Alberta
[08:17] <pdaoust> :)
[08:17] <nab_> yes my sound works, BUT i have to chose if i wanna hear mp3/avi-audio OR if i wanna hear sounds from my tvcard (LINE-IN)
[08:18] <bob2> right
[08:18] <nab_> everytime i have to go to alsamixer and manually select the output (PCC-OUT or HW-1) for line-in or normal
[08:18] <nab_> that is very frustrating
[08:20] <pdaoust> nab_: that is incredibly frustrating
[08:20] <nab_> yes, do you have the same problem?
[08:20] <bob2> you can blacklist the tv card module
[08:20] <pdaoust> nab_: no, but I can imagine it would drive you crazy (not wealthy enough to own things like TV tuners -- that's why I solder my own circuits ^_^)
[08:24] <nab_> bob2, blacklist the tv card module? wouldnt that stop tv-card audio (line-in) working?
[08:24] <bob2> yes
[08:24] <bob2> it's a bad solution indeed
[08:25] <nab_> but is that normal? i mean thats a bit weird, isnt it?
[08:25] <nab_> is that only my soundcard/tvcard combo or is that a common problem?
[08:25] <alka_trash> damn it, I borked my computer
[08:26] <bob2> it only affects people with multiple sound cards
[08:26] <alka_trash> I have deiced that I'm just going to rebuild it and it's going to better this time, really
[08:26] <nab_> hmm.. i do have two soundcards, one internal (onboard) and an expensive pci one. but the onboard is deactivated by bios
[08:27] <bob2> the tv card acts like a sound card in this case
[08:27] <nab_> i see..
[08:28] <nab_> maybe the tvtime programm allows sounddevice as parameter so i could select the right one, what do you think
[08:34] <yohannes> anyone can recommend a dvd/cd burning app?
[08:34] <Lathiat> yohannes: To do what
[08:34] <bob2> for data? nautilus
[08:35] <yohannes> to backup music/data/etc
[08:35] <Lathiat> use the nautilus cd creator
[08:35] <yohannes> any1 uses gnomebaker b4?
[08:35] <netmonk> yohannes, just installed it, haven't tryed it yet ;)
[08:39] <ik5pvx> boh
[08:39] <ik5pvx> direi che il doppio spegnimento era stato solo una coicidenza
[08:39] <ik5pvx> solita sfiga
[08:39] <bob2> this is a english channel...
[08:40] <bob2> try #ubuntu-it
[08:40] <bob2> if it exists
[08:40] <ik5pvx> argh ... wrong channel obviously
[08:40] <ik5pvx> sorry
[08:40] <bob2> no problem
[08:40] <bob2> hehe
[08:40] <yohannes> netmonk: did u get the readcd /*required by GB*/?
[08:41] <yohannes> i find cdrecord, cdda2wav and mkisofs installed in my box, but readcd seems to be not available on synaptic
[08:43] <bob2> it's in the cdrecord package
[08:46] <netmonk> hm..
[08:47] <wfx> hmmm muine use gstreamer, right?
[08:49] <Lathiat> wfx: i have no idea, but i havent heard of any gstreamer c# bindings so i doubt it
[08:50] <wfx> Lathiat, hmmm maybe my version does it not
[08:53] <yohannes> is libgnomeui and libgnomeuimm the same?
[08:53] <Lathiat> yohannes: libgnomeuimm is the C++ bindings for libgnomeui
[08:53] <Lathiat> *mm are the C++ bindings
[08:53] <yohannes> lathiat--> trying to install an app that requires libgnomeui-2.0
[08:54] <Lathiat> yohannes: so apt-get install gnome-devel
[08:54] <bob2> what app?
[08:54] <yohannes> gnomebaker
[08:55] <bob2> hah
[08:55] <yohannes> during configure, it says libgnomeui is not present
[08:55] <yohannes> checking on synaptic, libgnomeui-0 and libgnomeui-common are the only one installed
[08:55] <bob2> do you have to install libgnomeui-dev
[08:55] <bob2> if you're compiling anything, you need corresponding -dev packages
[08:55] <yohannes> i dont think so
[08:56] <bob2> erm, s/^do //
[08:56] <yohannes> does gnome-devel contains libgnomeui?
[08:56] <bob2> don't know, but you definitely need libgnomeui-dev
[08:58] <yohannes> gosh it's so difficult to install an app
[08:58] <Lathiat> yes it does
[08:58] <Lathiat> so install gnome-devel and youll be right
[08:58] <Lathiat> altho it might need some other weird libraries, who knows
[08:58] <yohannes> u need all the library and stuffs like that just to install
[08:58] <Lathiat> read the README it probably tells you
[08:58] <Lathiat> yohannes: if you want to compile something, eys
[08:58] <Lathiat> *yes
[08:59] <yohannes> apt-rep does not have gnomebaker as of yet, otherwise it's easy
[08:59] <yohannes> also installing gnome-devel requires installing mozilla. how can i exclude mozilla from being installed automatically?
[09:00] <Lathiat> you dont
[09:00] <yohannes> i mean in synaptic?
[09:00] <Lathiat> you can go and try and install all the bits and pieces yourself
[09:00] <Lathiat> but have fun
[09:00] <yohannes> hahahahaah
[09:00] <yohannes> there are so many things to learn in linux
[09:01] <Lathiat> hey bdale :)
[09:01] <bob2> yohannes: well, life is far easier if you use packaged software
[09:03] <JDahl> although autoconf has made building from source easier... you dont to be a wizard to build big apps anymore
[09:06] <bdale> Lathiat: howdy
[09:06] <Lathiat> bdale: how goes it
[09:06] <wfx> http://bashburn.sourceforge.net/ is also one opton
[09:06] <bdale> Lathiat: tired, frustrated with cdrecord vs 2.6.9, etc
[09:06] <Lathiat> bdale: yay :(
[09:07] <Lathiat> bdale: whats up with cdrecord?
[09:07] <yohannes> cant imagine newbie like me installing gentoo
[09:07] <yohannes> lol
[09:07] <wfx> or this one http://alx14.free.fr/burncenter/
[09:07] <daniels> Lathiat: jrg schilling writes it
[09:07] <bob2> haha
[09:09] <Lathiat> god damnit i cleaned out my homedir today
[09:09] <Lathiat> its already a mess
[09:13] <calc> libburn is the future! :)
[09:13] <calc> cdrecord will go the way of xfree86
[09:14] <Lathiat> Anyone know how to remove an archive in arch/tla
[09:14] <daniels> rm -rf
[09:14] <Lathiat> are you serious?
[09:14] <bob2> you don't delete them, generally
[09:14] <Lathiat> well, i want to
[09:14] <bob2> especially if other people have branched from you
[09:14] <Lathiat> it was an error
[09:14] <bob2> then rm
[09:15] <bob2> after you deregister it
[09:15] <Lathiat> like not so much out of my \{archives\}
[09:15] <Lathiat>  it isnt there
[09:15] <Lathiat> oh
[09:15] <bob2> "tla register-archive -d blah@blah"
[09:15] <Lathiat> ohh
[09:15] <Lathiat> thats the amgic i was looking for
[09:15] <Lathiat> i was lookign for archive-delete or delete-archive or something :)
[09:15] <Lathiat> thanks bob2
[09:15] <bob2> np
[09:44] <tatude> hi
[09:44] <stuNNed> hiyas tatude
[09:45] <tatude> hey, can you tell me where i can change the language in ubuntu?
[09:45] <stuNNed> tatude, i think this is how you do it, one sec
[09:45] <stuNNed> i could be wrong though
[09:45] <tatude> i'm using finnish language and few of the words are actually in swedish :DD
[09:46] <jdub> tatude: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[09:46] <jdub> tatude: select the ones you want
[09:46] <jdub> tatude: then in gdm, you can choose your desktop session language
[09:46] <stuNNed> tatude, what jdub said was what i was looking up :)
[09:46] <tatude> k :)
[09:47] <tatude> man, this channel rules!
[09:51] <tatude> does that change the language for keyboard mapping also?
[09:51] <tatude> i would like to have finnish keymap though...
[09:52] <ATJ> tatude: I also did that failure that I choosed finnish as default languge for system.. I did deconfigure locales but still many programs are in swedish. :/
[09:53] <tatude> ATJ, and that's something we don't like!
[09:53] <ATJ> tatude: Very true :D
[09:54] <kokis> Guys plz some help i cant compile my kernel i always get kernel panic fs
[09:54] <wfx> bonobo, jang
[09:54] <bonobo> wfx: Error: 'jang' is not a valid command.
[09:54] <wfx> bonobo, lang
[09:54] <bonobo> dpkg-reconfigure locales and select the ones you want
[09:55] <stuNNed> kokis, why do you need to recompile your kernel?
[09:55] <tatude> ATJ, do you have a finnish keymap and english language at the moment?
[09:55] <kokis> stuNNed: i really need a custom one
[09:55] <stuNNed> kokis, special driver or?
[09:56] <kokis> stuNNed: drivers customization of cpu memories and more
[09:56] <Ruffian|JANE|> bob2 is awesome!
[09:56] <ATJ> tatude: Umm.. basicly yes, but some programs are still in finnish/english.. But keymap does work right.
[09:56] <kokis> stuNNed: is there any hope to get it working?
[09:56] <tatude> ok, have to take a closer look
[09:56] <ATJ> Yeah. :)
[09:56] <ATJ> Mut igg ->
[09:57] <tatude> oh, and another question: can you enable tv-out somewhere?
[09:57] <stuNNed> kokis, i choose not to compile a custom kernel in ubuntu, or haven't needed to yet at least, sorry.
[09:58] <kokis> Anybody else can help me compile a kernel in ubuntu?
[09:59] <kokis> plz guys its an emergency!
[09:59] <bob2> chill dude
[09:59] <bob2> why do you want to compile a kernel?
[09:59] <kokis> bob2: look a bit uper
[10:00] <bob2> kokis: I'm not sure what "drivers customization of cpu memories " means
[10:00] <tatude> tv-out, enable, where? :)
[10:00] <clee> so. I use Gossip, right. for Jabber.
[10:00] <bob2> right. on.
[10:00] <kokis> bob2: ok just forget it and try help me compiling it plz!
[10:00] <clee> and the fact that it doesn't save the window size properly on close annoys me.
[10:00] <bob2> kokis: why?
[10:00] <kokis> bob2: why what?
[10:00] <clee> so... I dug around a bit
[10:01] <clee> and came up with ...
[10:01] <clee> http://c133.org/tmp/gossip-chat-window-save-size.diff
[10:01] <bob2> kokis: why do you want to build a new kernel, urgently?
[10:01] <clee> sent it to Imendio from my @kde.org email
[10:01] <clee> we'll see if they accept it
[10:01] <kokis> bob2: i got many to change on the config
[10:01] <bob2> clee: haha
[10:02] <kokis> bob2: high memory support hyper-threading
[10:02] <kokis> i wanna install also a driver of a modem
[10:02] <kokis> ethernet
[10:02] <kokis> and more.
[10:02] <bob2> the ubuntu kernels include just about all known Free drivers in the universe
[10:02] <clee> bob2: so, yeah, tonight has been fun
[10:02] <bob2> are you sure it's not supported already
[10:03] <kokis> bob2: np its a winmodem but got its non-free drivers
[10:03] <bob2> clee: I'm still waiting for daniels to get @gnome.org on his key
[10:03] <kokis> bob2: i really need it
[10:03] <clee> bob2: dude, I want to beat him to it
[10:03] <clee> bob2: because he's also got an @kde.org and an @fd.o
[10:03] <kokis> bob2: so have u ever tried it succesfully?
[10:03] <stuNNed> kokis, all of those things can be done w/out compiling a new kernel, afaik, you need to install build-essential for one
[10:03] <clee> so now the race is on
[10:04] <bob2> kokis: you can build the modemo module for your existing kernel
[10:04] <kokis> bob2: np getting errors
[10:04] <bob2> kokis: install build-essential, kernel-package and linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[10:04] <Ruffian|JANE|> hey bob2, you are prolly my favorite Ubuntu guru
[10:04] <Ruffian|JANE|> just thought ide let you know
[10:04] <kokis> bob2: i also dont have net there
[10:04] <bob2> clee: once he is part of those 3 pillars of the FS movement, it's all over
[10:04] <kokis> i first must intall the kernel and then can connect
[10:04] <clee> bob2: I know. This is why I must beat him.
[10:04] <bob2> floods. plagues, etc
[10:05] <kokis> just dont search for other ways i need it customed
[10:05] <kokis> is there any hope?
[10:05] <bob2> you really don't
[10:05] <clee> kokis: you do not need to compile custom
[10:05] <clee> kokis: seriously
[10:05] <bob2> if you want to buidl your own for no real reason, read http://newbiedoc.sf.net/
[10:05] <clee> it's NOT necessary
[10:06] <kokis> i really cant understand why i get fs panic
[10:09] <nab_> Does anyone in here have a snd1724 soundchip running?
[10:09] <nab_> (Envy24HT)
[10:11] <crimsun> ice1724?
[10:11] <kokis> is it possible just make the config and with a tool like make-kpkg do all it needs?
[10:13] <nab_> oops yeah i mean ice1724
[10:13] <crimsun> kokis: certainly, that's normally the Debian method
[10:13] <crimsun> (and thus the Ubuntu method)
 hey bob2, you are prolly my favorite Ubuntu guru <-- rofl
[10:13] <holycow> bob's awfully quiet in #debian however >_>
[10:13] <Ruffian|JANE|> took you long enough to pic up on that
[10:13] <Ruffian|JANE|> I hate #debian
[10:13] <Ruffian|JANE|> i got banned
[10:13] <kokis> crimsun: ok ill do it throw chroot
[10:13] <Ruffian|JANE|> cuz they wouldnt help
[10:14] <kokis> of another machine
[10:14] <kokis> i cd to kernelsources make the config and then make-kpkg kernelname?
[10:14] <blatch> is there an official ubuntu ppc chanel?
[10:14] <dopey> Ruffian|JANE|, i'm sure there is more to it than that.
[10:14] <holycow> Ruffian|JANE|, you really gotta do something incredible to get banned from #debian
[10:14] <kokis> crimsun: the question was for u? is the way right?
[10:14] <Ruffian|JANE|> ya, I cussed them out
[10:15] <holycow> seriously :)
[10:15] <crimsun> blatch: no, but this is the official Ubuntu users channel
[10:15] <blatch> ah.
[10:15] <holycow> like you REALLY REALLY heveto want to get banned for example :)
[10:15] <Ruffian|JANE|> they were just making imature jokes instead of helping so I cussed em out and got banned
[10:15] <nab_> crimsun, youre running the ice1724?
[10:15] <blatch> well, does anyone have any idea how to get mac-fdisk to read images that are larger than 2gb?
[10:15] <crimsun> nab_: no, snd-usb-audio (M-Audio Transit USB)
[10:15] <nab_> you should update to it ;)
[10:16] <holycow> ehe, i'm getting 363k download via bittorrent on ubuntu live cd
[10:16] <holycow> nifty
[10:16] <holycow> is there an install script for ubuntu from live cd?
[10:16] <jdub> no
[10:16] <crimsun> nab_: my M-Audio does 24-bit @ 96 kHz just fine, thanks ;)
[10:16] <nab_> envy24ht does 190khz :P
[10:16] <nab_> 192
[10:16] <crimsun> 192
[10:17] <crimsun> is the envy card credit card-sized?
[10:17] <Ruffian|JANE|> My super fast 50Hz processor!
[10:17] <crimsun> kokis: essentially.
[10:18] <nab_> damnit.. all mixers i tried give alien looking sliders, like ADC and DAC, but none says LineIn etc
[10:18] <crimsun> nab_: read the alsa wiki. http://alsa.opensrc.org
[10:18] <nab_> hehe no its pci card sized, 1:1 ;)
[10:18] <nab_> ill have a look, thx
[10:27] <joha> Hi all!
[10:28] <Tyche> Hello everyone.
[10:28] <joha> How do I install the printer drivers from ftp://download.canon.jp/pub/driver/bj/linux/ in Ubuntu? I converted them to .debs and installed those, but there are no additional drivers showing up in the "Add Printer" dialog :-/
[10:28] <Tyche> I'm new to Ubuntu and still learning...but is Ubuntu good enough to be my web server?
[10:29] <joha> Tyche: of course it is.
[10:29] <jk> Tyche: at least as good as other linux distro's
[10:29] <Tyche> joha: Okay, great. I wasn't sure if it was more just made to be a desktop client
[10:30] <joha> Tyche: well it is. But that only means that you'll have to install the server software.
[10:30] <Tyche> Joha: That isn't a problem.
[10:30] <joha> Good :)
[10:30] <Tyche> I installed Webadmin, anyone know how to get to the admin console for that?
[10:31] <bob2> Ruffian|JANE|: you weren't banned "cuz they wouldnt help"
[10:31] <bob2> holycow: I currently know a lot more about ubuntu than debian, unfortunately
[10:31] <Ruffian|JANE|> bob2, they wouldnt help, they just cracked on me cuz i was a newb, so i cussed them out
[10:31] <bob2> I really doubt that
[10:32] <Riddell> clee: morning
[10:32] <Ruffian|JANE|> bob2, why you always dissin dog?  I respsect you! your a good guru, just quit the diss
[10:33] <holycow> ah, now i know why you got banned :P
[10:33] <joha> There's nobody in here who would call him or herself a guru, Ruffian|JANE|
[10:33] <bob2> I'm not dissing anyone, I'm just saying that you weren't banned "cuz they wouldnt help", you were banned because you were obnoxious
[10:33] <Ruffian|JANE|> they were obnoxious, i just cussed them out for it
[10:33] <joha> Aaah okay! Solved my printer problem.
[10:34] <holycow> no, i would ban you just for " why you always dissin dog?"
[10:34] <holycow> what are you, from the 'hood'?
[10:34] <holycow> jesus :)
[10:34] <bob2> holycow: chill
[10:34] <Ruffian|JANE|> ........
[10:35] <Ruffian|JANE|> :-(
[10:35] <cenerentola> hi there...
[10:35] <Ruffian|JANE|> hello cenerentola
[10:35] <cenerentola> ive got some probs with the wifi interface
[10:35] <cenerentola> i cant connect
[10:36] <Ruffian|JANE|> ya, we get that alot in Linux
[10:36] <cenerentola> and even if i used ndis wrapper... the network card is recognized as eth1 and not wlan0
[10:36] <bob2> cenerentola: that's not a problem
[10:36] <bob2> and if it has proper drivers, use them instead of ndiswrapper
[10:37] <yohannes> i forgot to ask this q. does anyone able to completely shutdown your box?
[10:37] <cenerentola> Intel PRO/Wireless 2100
[10:37] <bob2> yohannes: does it stop at "power down"?
[10:37] <Lathiat> cenerentola: http://ipw2100.sf.net
[10:37] <bob2> cenerentola: ubuntu includes those drivers, it's fine for it to show up as eth1
[10:37] <cenerentola> there are ipw2100 built in..
[10:37] <Lathiat> oh ok
[10:37] <Lathiat> heh
[10:37] <yohannes> bob2: it says shutting everything down on the screen. that;s it
[10:38] <cenerentola> yep but if i use ipw2100
[10:38] <cenerentola> theres no signal
[10:38] <bob2> are you sure there is a signal?
[10:38] <cenerentola> yes now is 100%
[10:38] <yohannes> but i have to "manually" press n hold the switch to shut it completely
[10:38] <bob2> yohannes: how old is the machine?
[10:39] <yohannes> bob2: quite old. P3 550
[10:39] <dopey> hahaha
[10:39] <bob2> yohannes: "modprobe apm", then try shutting down
[10:39] <yohannes> something to do w/ my acpi?
[10:39] <bob2> it should power off
[10:39] <aadis_fu> hello folks
[10:39] <cenerentola> ok... bob2, lathiat, if ull assist me ill unistall ndisw/ and setup the old ipw...
[10:39] <Ruffian|JANE|> hi
[10:39] <aadis_fu> how is the xorg in hoary?
[10:40] <Ruffian|JANE|> buggy :-p
[10:40] <yohannes> bob2: automatically? is it a command i should issue?
[10:40] <aadis_fu> Ruffian|JANE|: c'mon ;)
[10:40] <blatch> does anyone have bluetooth working?
[10:40] <bob2> blatch: yes
[10:40] <blatch> using the jdub repository?
[10:40] <yohannes> bob2: i mean issue on the terminal?
[10:40] <bob2> yohannes: you just need to have that module loaded
[10:40] <bob2> yohannes: yes
[10:40] <aadis_fu> i thought xorg was pretty stable
[10:40] <bob2> yohannes: sudo modprobe apm
[10:40] <bob2> aadis_fu: it's fine, ignore Ruffian|JANE|
[10:40] <aadis_fu> since it was forked from xfree 4.4
[10:40] <blatch> i can't apt-get install gnome-bluetooth from jdub's repository!
[10:40] <aadis_fu> bob2: ah, ok, thanx
[10:40] <bob2> aadis_fu: it was not forked from 4.4
[10:40] <Ruffian|JANE|> aadis_fu, I was actually being sarcastic
[10:40] <bob2> blatch: can you be more vague?
[10:40] <Ruffian|JANE|> aadis_fu, meening its great
[10:41] <bob2> blatch: or paste the error from apt to #flood
[10:41] <aadis_fu> Ruffian|JANE|: cool :)
[10:41] <bob2> cenerentola: just don't load the ndiswrapper module anymore
[10:41] <blatch> bob2, it's simple: E: Couldn't find package gnome-bluetooth
[10:41] <Ruffian|JANE|> aadis_fu, bob2 is always giving me a hard time :-(
[10:41] <bob2> Ruffian|JANE|: I'm not giving you a hard time
[10:41] <cenerentola> done...
[10:41] <dopey> blatch: are you sure that repository includes that package?
[10:41] <cenerentola> now rmmod or reboot?
[10:41] <Ruffian|JANE|> bob2, im suring having one though
[10:41] <aadis_fu> Ruffian|JANE|: hmmm. cool :)
[10:42] <blatch> dopey, yes. if you browse to http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/warty it's right there.
[10:42] <yohannes> bob2: should i issue that command all the time i wanna shut down or only once?
[10:42] <blatch> bob2, did you use jdub's repository?
[10:42] <aadis_fu> which is the transparency manager? xcompmgr?
[10:42] <bob2> blatch: did you add the right sources.list line and run apt-get update?
[10:42] <bob2> aadis_fu: yes
[10:42] <blatch> bob2, yes.
[10:42] <bob2> yohannes: just try it once, please
[10:42] <bob2> blatch: well, it's there, you must have used the wrong sources.list line
[10:43] <bob2> Ruffian|JANE|: ok...
[10:43] <blatch> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/warty/ ./
[10:43] <blatch> is that not the right line?
[10:43] <bob2> warty not warty/
[10:43] <Ruffian|JANE|> bob2, you are allways dissin me
[10:43] <dopey> are you using the command line, or synaptic ?
[10:43] <bob2> Ruffian|JANE|: I'm not dissing you
[10:43] <dopey> blatch: ^
[10:43] <bob2> Ruffian|JANE|: I don't even talk to you unless you talk to me first
[10:43] <blatch> bob2, ok tried that, didn't work.
[10:43] <yohannes> k thanks
[10:44] <aadis_fu> man, hibernate now works. i'm like "w00! w00!"
[10:45] <dopey> blatch: if you are using the command line / editing sources.list by hand, you need to run "apt-get update" after changing sources.list
[10:45] <blatch> dopey, holy shit, i'm not an idiot.
[10:45] <bob2> blatch: please?
[10:46] <blatch> bob2, ?
[10:46] <bob2> blatch: please don't be a dick to people trying to help you
[10:46] <blatch> sorry, i'm an ex-debian user :P
[10:46] <bob2> most debian users are far more polite than that
[10:46] <blatch> you haven't spent very much time in their channel...
[10:46] <Ruffian|JANE|> blatch, HAHAHAHA! I indubedably agree
[10:47] <dopey> Haha.
[10:47] <dopey> the irony.
[10:47] <Ruffian|JANE|> lol
[10:47] <bob2> blatch: /msg chanserv access #debian list
[10:47] <stuNNed> don't know what the fuss is about, #debian has always been nice to me
[10:47] <dopey> bob2: gold :)
[10:48] <Lathiat> dopey, bob2: :)
[10:48] <blatch> ah.
[10:48] <aadis_fu> stuNNed: really?
[10:48] <Ruffian|JANE|> #debian = noob hating nazis
[10:48] <Ruffian|JANE|> ok, that was harsh
[10:48] <Ruffian|JANE|> i take that back
[10:48] <bob2> deb-src http://people.no-name-yet.com/~jdub/warty ./
[10:48] <aadis_fu> Ruffian|JANE|: nice taking pot shots and then suddenly retracting ;)
[10:48] <bob2> that works for me as a source repository
[10:49] <dopey> guys - please, lets drop that train of discussion.
[10:49] <Ruffian|JANE|> aadis_fu, :-)
[10:49] <bob2> anyway, #debian is a terrible place, but off-topic
[10:49] <aadis_fu> ok, which is the compositing manager
[10:49] <Ruffian|JANE|> bob2, I indubedably agree
[10:49] <bob2> xcompmgr
[10:49] <blatch> bob2, thanks.
[10:50] <jdub> Ruffian|JANE|: you keep saying that word. i do not think it means what you think it means.
[10:50] <Ruffian|JANE|> i have no clue what it means
[10:50] <Ruffian|JANE|> to dictionary.com i go
[10:50] <aadis_fu> Ruffian|JANE|: where i did not find it ;)
[10:50] <cenerentola> bob2: ive rebooted..
[10:51] <lml> I have installed a cd writer in my Ubuntu machine but I am having trouble getting cdrecord to recognize it. Do I have to run some kind of hardware setup to make it work?
[10:51] <aadis_fu> bob2: any idea which package provides it?
[10:51] <cenerentola> ...and if i try to enable eth1
[10:51] <aadis_fu> bob2: xcompmgr i mean
[10:51] <bob2> aadis_fu: it's in daniels' repository, not in hoary yet
[10:51] <bob2> cenerentola: ok
[10:51] <cenerentola> it doesnt stay enabled
[10:51] <bob2> lml: no
[10:51] <bob2> lml: just use cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc
[10:51] <aadis_fu> bob2: ah, ok. which source line?
[10:51] <bob2> or whatever it is
[10:51] <bob2> cenerentola: "enable"?
[10:51] <cenerentola> yep using the gui...
[10:51] <bob2> aadis_fu: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xcompmgr/ ./
[10:51] <lml> bob2: Oki, so no cdrecored -scanbus?
[10:51] <bob2> aadis_fu: on i386 only
[10:51] <bob2> lml: right
[10:52] <lml> bob2: thx.
[10:52] <cenerentola> i think its "ifup eht1"
[10:52] <bob2> lml: you don't need that in 2.6, you just use the IDE device directly
[10:52] <bob2> cenerentola: what gui?
[10:52] <bob2> cenerentola: have you setup /etc/network/interfaces yet?
[10:52] <blatch> bob2, still not working.
[10:52] <Ruffian|JANE|> jdub, yup, it means what I thought.
[10:52] <cenerentola> ive done it through the gui..
[10:52] <cenerentola> network config
[10:52] <bob2> cenerentola: so what errores does 'ifup eth1' print?
[10:53] <bob2> jdub: 'deb http://people.no-name-yet.com/~jdub/warty ./' works, right?
[10:55] <aadis_fu> ok, xcompmgr apt-get gets an 404
[10:55] <aadis_fu> i guess i'll have to wait...
[10:55] <bob2> try dropping the second last /
[10:55] <blatch> oh. wait. he only has the i386 versions :(
[10:55] <blatch> durrr
[10:55] <bob2> yes
[10:56] <Ruffian|JANE|> hi d0gmaz
[10:56] <d0gmaz> hi
[10:56] <blatch> n/m
[10:56] <jdub> bob2: think so
[10:56] <d0gmaz> when i start xorg i get the following error Error activating XKB configuration.
[10:56] <d0gmaz> Probably internal X server problem.
[10:56] <bob2> jdub: the problem is your i386-fascism
[10:56] <d0gmaz> with an error code
[10:56] <aadis_fu> ok, folks, time to test xorg server, brb
[10:57] <jdub> bob2: ah.
[11:01] <blatch> oh my the dependencies for gnome-bluetooth :)
[11:03] <bob2> wow, libbtct has a ton of warnings
[11:03] <Ruffian|JANE|> lol
[11:03] <blatch> i'm not even there yet. i have to download about 40 dependencies
[11:06] <cenerentola_> bob3: aisb
[11:06] <cenerentola_> bob2: aisb there's no signal
[11:06] <d0gmaz> nobody knows what i can do about the error popping up at staruo of xorg, Error activating XKB configuration. Probably internal X server problem.
[11:06] <bob2> d0gmaz: please file a bug
[11:06] <d0gmaz> how?
[11:06] <bob2> bugzilla.ubuntu.coim
[11:06] <d0gmaz> ok
[11:07] <d0gmaz> i saw other people having the same error on ubuntu forums
[11:07] <bob2> maybe one of them already reported it?
[11:07] <linux_galore> bye folks
[11:08] <bob2> cenerentola_: ok
[11:08] <bob2> cenerentola_: try asking on ubuntu-user
[11:09] <blatch> does apt-get source -b (packagename) also INSTALL the created binary package?
[11:09] <bob2> no
[11:09] <blatch> roger that
[11:09] <bob2> ok, downloaded and built and installed
[11:11] <blatch> building gnome-bluetooth and gnome-phone-manager now :P
[11:11] <dopey> apt-get build-dep may also be useful
[11:11] <bob2> yeah
[11:12] <blatch> did you get an error saying something about librsvg?
[11:12] <bob2> no
[11:12] <blatch> hmm
[11:12] <bob2> apt-get build-dep, first
[11:12] <bob2> and install build-essential
[11:13] <blatch> E: Build-Depends dependency for gnome-phone-manager cannot be satisfied because the package libgnomebt0-dev cannot be found
[11:13] <blatch> oh wait
[11:13] <bob2> you need to build libbtctl first
[11:13] <blatch> n/m
[11:14] <blatch> check #flood to see my error
[11:15] <blatch> make any sense of that?
[11:16] <bob2> odd
[11:16] <bob2> maybe there's a missing build-dep
[11:16] <yohannes> bob2: i tried your given command, but it still not shutting down
[11:16] <yohannes> these are the last 4 lines during shutdown:
[11:16] <yohannes> md:stopping all md devices
[11:16] <yohannes> shutdown:hdb
[11:16] <yohannes> shutdown:hda
[11:16] <yohannes> power downn
[11:17] <yohannes> that's it. the funny thing is that when i hard shut it down. after a minute / 2, it will turn on by itself
[11:17] <yohannes> which is weird
[11:17] <bob2> are you sure you loaded the apm module?
[11:17] <bob2> really really sure?
[11:17] <yohannes> yes i did
[11:17] <yohannes> sudo mopprobe apm
[11:17] <bob2> and it was loaded just before you shut down?
[11:17] <yohannes> *modprobe
[11:18] <yohannes> it did not say anything on the terminal that it has been loaded but i was given a new prompt which i assume it did
[11:18] <blatch> it is a missing dep, it needs librsvg2-dev, i believe
[11:18] <Ruffian|JANE|> goodnight bob2.
[11:18] <yohannes> also during boot up, there are 2 errors associated w/ modprobe
[11:19] <blatch> its working now
[11:19] <yohannes> the first one: modprobe: error inserting shpchp: operation not permitted
[11:19] <yohannes> and
[11:19] <yohannes> the first one: modprobe: error inserting piciehp: operation not permitted
[11:19] <bob2> that's safe to ignore
[11:19] <bob2> if you really care, you can blacklist it by naming those modules in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[11:19] <yohannes> i read that those 2 errors are being fixed until the warthog release
[11:20] <gor> ran out of input data system halted
[11:20] <gor> does anyone know what this is??
[11:20] <Ruffian|JANE|> g'night bob2
[11:20] <bob2> gor: you need to provide a lot more context
[11:20] <joha> gor: This means you
[11:20] <bob2> Ruffian|JANE|: bye
[11:20] <joha> gor: This means you're in serious trouble.
[11:21] <joha> gor: Did you just do a fresh install of Ubuntu?
[11:21] <wfx> yohannes, you can ignore this errors
[11:21] <gor> of fedora
[11:21] <gor> but it's the same for all distros
[11:21] <bob2> gor: you're running fedora?
[11:21] <gor> why joha?
[11:21] <gor> i'm trying to install it
[11:22] <gabryella> dute nu mai spune
[11:22] <gor> but when i press enter to begin the installation i get that error
[11:22] <joha> gor: Because the kernel isn't even coming up. What kind of hardware are you using?
[11:22] <bob2> blatch: if you're using hoary, deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~rweir/gnome-bluetooth/ ./
[11:22] <bob2> in like 30 seconds
[11:22] <gor> p3 933 512 ram
[11:22] <joha> Hmm
[11:23] <blatch> not using hoary, but i've been thinking about it
[11:23] <gor> i read at suse's site that that happens when you had another kernel running before
[11:23] <blatch> is it pretty stable for ppc?
[11:23] <bob2> ah, while they won't work then
[11:23] <bob2> works fine for me
[11:23] <joha> gor: Sounds like a fairly recent machine; shouldn't cause any trouble. Can you verify the integrity of your installation CD?
[11:23] <gor> but i only had run suse live eval
[11:23] <yohannes> is the hoary release good enough to try?
[11:23] <bob2> yohannes: do you want to help find bugs?
[11:23] <joha> gor: If SuSE live eval runs, then Ubuntu should run as well.
[11:23] <yohannes> or is it too buggy
[11:23] <gor> joha: when i test the media i get the same error
[11:23] <blatch> is hoary like testing, unstable, or experimental?
[11:24] <bob2> unstable
[11:24] <blatch> oh, well, sweet then.
[11:24] <blatch> i'll upgrade
[11:24] <yohannes> bob2: r u part of ubuntu's QA team?
[11:24] <joha> gor: Do you have another Linux system available? Or can you do MD5-Summing under Windows?
[11:24] <bob2> yohannes: no
[11:24] <blatch> just change "warty" to "hoary" in sources.list?
[11:24] <gor> so i can't advance until i fix this problem
[11:24] <bob2> blatch: yes
[11:24] <bob2> blatch: no going back, though
[11:24] <wfx> bonobo, pciehp
[11:24] <bonobo> pciehp is the PCI Express Hot Plug Controller Driver
[11:24] <gor> i don't know how to do md5 sum
[11:24] <yohannes> but u r using it as we speak?
[11:24] <wfx> bonobo, shpchp
[11:24] <bonobo> shpchp is the Standard Hot Plug PCI Controller Driver
[11:25] <bob2> yohannes: hoary? yes.
[11:25] <gor> i have ubuntu as well
[11:25] <gor> if you mean that
[11:25] <joha> (gor: The CD checking option also needs the kernel to be up and running first; so it doesn't work)
[11:25] <gor> not installed
[11:25] <yohannes> tempting
[11:25] <gor> joha you're right
[11:25] <yohannes> let me change the rep source list
[11:25] <bob2> yohannes: you cannot go back to warty without reinstalling
[11:25] <blatch> and change to hoary-security?
[11:26] <joha> gor: Well, what OS is the computer you're using right now running?
[11:26] <bob2> blatch: hoary has no security updates
[11:26] <blatch> ah
[11:26] <blatch> k
[11:26] <gor> 98se
[11:26] <joha> gor: Hmm, I see. Just gimme a second.
[11:27] <gor> hey i just found a solution...
[11:27] <yohannes> bob2: i am testing this warty in any case cos i am learning linux. so if something goes south, np
[11:27] <gor> well seems like it
[11:27] <gor> http://www.morphix.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1637&forum=2&jump=1
[11:27] <joha> gor: Does that machine have access to the .iso file you burned the CD from?
[11:27] <yohannes> bob2: simply change every instance of warty --> hoary, is this correct?
[11:27] <gor> what do you mean have access to the iso?
[11:27] <supos> anyone in here good with isapnp?
[11:27] <gor> i burned the iso from win98
[11:27] <joha> gor: Is the ISO file on that machine?
[11:27] <joha> Okay
[11:27] <joha> And you still have the file?
[11:28] <gor> yes
[11:28] <bob2> yohannes: yes, but hoary has no security updates
[11:28] <gor> joha: look at this http://www.morphix.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1637&forum=2&jump=1
[11:28] <blatch> here we go!
[11:28] <yohannes> oh well..
[11:29] <joha> gor: That doesn't help in your situation, unfortunately. You don't even have it installed yet, so there's no point in trying to boot a kernel off some other partition.
[11:29] <gor> well it's the same problem
[11:30] <gor> well if i boot with ubuntu or smt?
[11:30] <gor> but anyway that solution is too advanced for me
[11:31] <gor> do you know how do i fix that error?
[11:32] <joha> Maybe
[11:33] <joha> gor: We need to make sure if your CD is okay
[11:33] <gor> it's ok
[11:33] <gor> i had just burned it
[11:33] <bob2> hm, network manager built fine, too
[11:34] <gor> no scratches etc
[11:34] <gor> i put it on the drive and selected boot from cd
[11:34] <gor> and then i press enter
[11:34] <gor> and i get that error
[11:34] <gor> and then nothing
[11:34] <gor> it crashes
[11:34] <joha> gor: Yes but you can't tell if the FILE is okay. So we're going to check that.
[11:35] <Tsjoklat> hi all
[11:35] <gor> how can't it be ok
[11:35] <gor> i d/l straight from red hat's site
[11:35] <yohannes> bob2: i read in the forum that i might have to try adding "acpi=force"  to the /boot/grub/menu.1st
[11:36] <gor> and i can't check that cause it doesn't let me run a media test
[11:36] <yohannes> bob2: my q is, where should i put that expression?
[11:38] <gor> joha:any ideas?
[11:38] <bob2> I really doubt you have acpi on a p3-550
[11:39] <yohannes> really?
[11:39] <bob2> yes
[11:39] <joha> gor: That`s why we're going to check the FILE, not the MEDIA.
[11:39] <joha> gor: Get the tool at http://www.pc-tools.net/win32/md5sums/ please
[11:39] <daniels> bob2: i had it on my hp
[11:39] <yohannes> the forum also mentions other possiblity like updating the bios. i dont think any newer bios is released any longer for this mobi
[11:39] <bob2> daniels: that old?
[11:39] <yohannes> shoot
[11:40] <gor> the 27kb one?
[11:40] <joha> Yes
[11:40] <gor> but is it the same for ubuntu and fedora?
[11:40] <daniels> bob2: pii 650
[11:40] <joha> gor: But you'll have to find out how to use it yourself. I have no Windows machine available to me to try out and tell you.
[11:40] <daniels> bob2: (but it was originally a 350 or 450)
[11:40] <bob2> ah
[11:41] <gor> ok i'm trying now
[11:41] <supos> does ubuntu use oss or alsa? when I open the volume control, it shows both
[11:42] <gor> md5sums e:\
[11:42] <bob2> alsa with oss compatibility modules
[11:42] <gor> that's what i'm supposed to do?
[11:42] <bob2> you need to check the disk itself
[11:42] <supos> bob2: so which tab am I supposed to use to change volume?
[11:43] <cocozz> HI , im trying to install MPLAYER with gui , first of all I do ./configure --enable-gui , at the end it says I dont have X11 !! :S
[11:43] <bob2> alsa
[11:43] <d0gmaz> how do i startup a tcl script?
[11:45] <bob2> cocozz: then mplayer is buggy
[11:45] <d0gmaz> i installed tux racer but the startup file is .tcl how do i start it?
[11:45] <bob2> it should say "you don't have the X headers installed."
[11:45] <cocozz> oh :/
[11:45] <bob2> d0gmaz: no it's not
[11:46] <bob2> /usr/games/tuxracer
[11:46] <d0gmaz> hmm
[11:46] <joha> gor: http://source.rfc822.org/pub/mirror/releases.ubuntu.com/4.10/MD5SUMS ... here's a file where you'll find the MD5 sum that your ISO should have.
[11:46] <d0gmaz> bob2, thanks but isnt this just a shortcut?
[11:47] <bob2> d0gmaz: linux doesn't have windows "shortcuts".  the binary in the ubuntu package for tuxracer is called /usr/games/tuxracer.
[11:47] <d0gmaz> bob2, ok i thought there were things called symlinks or something
[11:48] <d0gmaz> but it just puts the binarie somewhere else
[11:48] <bob2> there are symlinks, yeah
[11:48] <bob2> but /usr/games/tuxracer is the actual binary, not a symlink
[11:48] <gor> joha: should i do an md5 checksum on the iso file or on the burned image?
[11:50] <joha> gor: You can try both :)
[11:50] <gor> i tried on the burned image
[11:50] <d0gmaz> is there something like you had in DOS called FastTrackerII a .xm music tracker but then for ubuntu?
[11:50] <gor> and it says unable to read file/directory E:/
[11:51] <joha> gor: Yeah, that woudln't surprise me much in Window. Better try tje file
[11:51] <bob2> there are lots of music trackers in ubuntu
[11:51] <siimo> hi can anyone tell me how to share files so windows users can access it? i have samba but not sure how to set it up
[11:51] <joha> HEEELP! MSY GIrtlfrind isd i?kiollling n!+#
[11:52] <daniels> joha: ask her to stop?
[11:52] <joha> she doesngt
[11:53] <joha> Ooof
[11:53] <joha> finally
[11:53] <joha> gor: Does the MD5sum work
[11:53] <d0gmaz> i got this lines in my fstab
[11:53] <d0gmaz> /dev/hdb1       /mnt/windows    ntfs    defaults,ro,users,umask=0111    0 0
[11:53] <d0gmaz> /dev/hda2       /mnt/windows1   ntfs    defaults,ro,users,umask=0111    0 0
[11:54] <gor> it works!!!!!!
[11:54] <gor> lol
[11:54] <d0gmaz> but it wont mount my drives
[11:54] <d0gmaz> sorry for the spam
[11:54] <gor> it's on 5%
[11:54] <gor> now
[11:54] <d0gmaz> it says mount: mount point /mnt/windows does not exist
[11:54] <siimo> d0gmaz, mkdir /mnt/windows
[11:55] <joha> gor: Oh :) ... see you next year then i guess
[11:55] <d0gmaz> siimo, wow that was easy
[11:55] <supos> How do I find out which is the right port, irq etc for my isa sound card in isapnp.conf
[11:57] <d0gmaz> siimo, now it mounts but makes my windows dirs like /mp3 and /games became files no directorys
[11:57] <wfx> d0gmaz, check premissions
[11:57] <d0gmaz> wfx, how?
[11:57] <Falstius> dogmaz, you need to change your umask I think
[11:57] <gor> lol joha it's on 50%
[11:58] <Falstius> umask=0111 will make directories non-executable which means you can get their contents
[11:58] <d0gmaz> they are on 0111
[11:58] <Falstius> you want dmask=0,fmask=111 and no umask
[11:58] <d0gmaz> ok
[11:59] <joha> my gf is on 150%
[11:59] <Falstius> d0gmaz: sorry, "which means you CAN'T get their contents"
[12:00] <gor> haha
[12:00] <d0gmaz> Falstius, thanks it worked
[12:01] <gor> 94!
[12:01] <gor> well if it's ok what do i do next?
[12:01] <Falstius> d0gmaz: its in the man page but the fstab man page is ugly
[12:03] <joha> gor: Then you try and burn it a second time, taking all security precautions one can possibly take for burning a CD.
[12:03] <gor> hey joha
[12:03] <gor> it's ok
[12:03] <gor> well it says 100% and then it displays a long key
[12:04] <joha> Okay, now compare that to the key in that file  I told you
[12:04] <joha> And see if they're the same keys
[12:04] <gor> joha it has to do with the fact that i had an older kernel befor
[12:04] <gor> ew
[12:04] <gor> that's what i saw on google
[12:05] <gor> not the same
[12:05] <gor> with the ones on the link
[12:05] <joha> gor: That applies when you have Linux installed already.
[12:06] <gor> i had
[12:06] <gor> not installed
[12:06] <gor> ran from a live cd
[12:06] <joha> yes
[12:06] <joha> but that doesnt change your cmputer
[12:06] <joha> so how do these MD5 keys compare
[12:06] <joha> Post the one from your ISO file here in the channel
[12:08] <gor> well i went there
[12:08] <gor> http://fedora.redhat.com/download/
[12:09] <gor> and the md5 checksum for cd1 isn't what i ge
[12:09] <gor> t
[12:09] <gor> oh wait
[12:09] <gor> that's for core3
[12:09] <joha> Yup :)
[12:10] <joha> gor: http://source.rfc822.org/pub/mirror/releases.ubuntu.com/4.10/MD5SUMS
[12:10] <joha> a491903a2d2197651864dec3836d85e0  warty-release-install-i386.iso
[12:10] <joha> That's probably the one you haver
[12:10] <joha> -r
[12:10] <gor> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/2/i386/iso/MD5SUM
[12:11] <gor> nope...mine isn't any of those
[12:11] <gor> :(
[12:11] <gor> but how??
[12:11] <Falstius> fedora is not good for beginners.
[12:11] <gor> well i think i could handle it
[12:12] <gor> if the installation was done!
[12:12] <gor> but i've got this error
[12:12] <gor> that messes it all
[12:21] <gor> any ideas to fix this??
[12:21] <joha> gor: Compare it to the MD5 sum I just gave you
[12:21] <joha> a491903a2d2197651864dec3836d85e0
[12:21] <Falstius> Gor, are you installing fedora or ubuntu?
[12:23] <gor> fedora
[12:23] <joha> Oooh!
[12:23] <gor> joha it's not the same
[12:23] <joha> Well maybe you should go to
[12:23] <joha> Well maybe you should go to #fedora then?
[12:24] <xukun> hi
[12:24] <gor> well i got no answer in #fedora
[12:24] <joha> Because obviously the key I gave you is NOT the one of the Fedora ISO
[12:24] <joha> I see
[12:24] <gor> yeah
[12:24] <xukun> if I want to install LAMP with apt-get, which are the packages to install?
[12:24] <gor> but i checked with fedora's site md5
[12:24] <joha> Well, you need the MD5 for your Fedora ISO then. And if that isn't the same as your ISO file, then you should download the Fedora ISO again
[12:24] <gor> and it's not the same
[12:24] <Falstius> Gor, which fedora, 1 2 or 3?
[12:24] <gor> 2
[12:24] <bob2> lamp is such a silly phrase
[12:24] <bob2> xukun: what do you actually want to install?
[12:24] <gor> joha it's not the same
[12:25] <bob2> xukun: apache, the apapche php module and a mysql server?
[12:25] <xukun> Xampp
[12:25] <gor> but how can it be done?
[12:25] <gor> i downloaded straight away from fedoras
[12:25] <gor> 's site
[12:25] <xukun> bob2: that would be ok too
[12:25] <bob2> install libapache2-mod-php4, php4-mysql and apache2 and mysql-server
[12:26] <Falstius> Gor, Fedora is fairly broken.  It takes a lot of work to get it correct.  I'd suggest downloading Ubuntu instead :)
[12:26] <xukun> bob2: is there a good howto about that I,m bit new to this?
[12:26] <bob2> xukun: which bit? instaling packages?
[12:26] <joha> gor: There may be a thousand reasons why the file came through flawed.
[12:27] <xukun> bob2: no apache
[12:27] <joha> gor: I'm sorry, all I can tell you is that your installation CD is broken and that is the reason for the installation not working.
[12:27] <bob2> xukun: it should be all setup after you install those packages
[12:27] <xukun> bob2: thanks bob2
[12:27] <joha> gor: Maybe the problem lies also on Fedora's server, so you could always try out Ubuntu.
[12:28] <gor> the thing is that a friend of mine
[12:28] <gor> has exactly the same problem
[12:28] <gor> with dsl
[12:28] <gor> ubuntu is just 1 cd
[12:28] <gor> whereas fedora is 4
[12:30] <joha> gor: Well, so isn't that good?
[12:30] <fords> is it possible to set up ubuntu with OSS instead of ALSA?  i noticed that the kernel modules were installed for it, so i'm curious why it doesn't seem to work.  if i load the oss drivers, it should "just work," right?
[12:30] <Falstius> Gor, if you want something fancy, Yoper is nice too (and also only 1 CD)
[12:31] <fords> if it should "just work," then i know i'm not loading all the drivers i need... so anything you can tell me would be great.
[12:32] <fords> never mind, seems to mostly work now
[12:42] <nico|m> hi
[12:43] <nico|m> is there anything i have to keep in mind when upgrading debian sid to ubuntu warty? what do i have to change in apt.sources (to have it replace all packages)?
[12:52] <Austron> does anyone use the program envy24control ?
[12:54] <TheMuso> Austron: yES.
[12:54] <Austron> under ubunut?
[12:54] <TheMuso> Yes, had to build it myself.
[12:54] <Austron> build it myself? argh that counts me out i guess :)
[12:54] <TheMuso> You were wanting ot know where to get it?
[12:54] <TheMuso> s/ot/to/
[12:55] <Austron> muso, what soundcard do you have?
[12:56] <TheMuso> Austron: I have two. A TerraTec DMX 6Fire 24/96, and a Delta 66.
[12:56] <Austron> ah thats good i also have a terratec soundcard (ice1724)
[12:56] <TheMuso> Austron: Do you mean ice1712?
[12:56] <{LSMF}SnIpA> hi i want to set up oident on my Ubuntu but the oident map has te be in the map 'root' when i try to put it their i get the error : your not the owner of the map
[12:57] <Austron> no i have the aureon sky with ice1724
[12:57] <TheMuso> Ah right.
[12:57] <TheMuso> I have no experience with that module. That is probably the Envy24 HT chipset then. Does envy24control work with that?
[12:58] <Austron> yes i heard that it should work for it, but i dont have envy24control
[12:58] <Austron> i couldnt find a ubuntu package
[12:58] <{LSMF}SnIpA> hi i want to set up oident on my Ubuntu but the oident map has te be in the map 'root' when i try to put it their i get the error : your not the owner of the map how can i put the map in the root map now ? pls help
[12:58] <TheMuso> That is because there doesn't seem to be one.
[12:59] <Austron> do you also have the problem that all the sliders in the many mixers have stupid names? for example i have 20 or so sliders called DAC or ADC but none called LiniIn and so on
[12:59] <Austron> *LineIn
[12:59] <TheMuso> Mine are called ADC etc, but are labeled front left, etc.
[12:59] <_matti> any devs around? perlmagick seems broken in ubuntu? :)
[01:00] <Austron> are they named correct only in envy24control or in the other mixers too? (like alsamixer)
[01:00] <Lathiat> hmm the battery applet is bug
[01:00] <Treenaks> _matti: what's the error message?
[01:00] <_matti> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:00] <_matti>   perlmagick: Depends: libmagick6 (= 5:6.0.2.5-1ubuntu1) but 5:6.0.2.5-1ubuntu1.1 is to be installed
[01:00] <_matti> E: Broken packages
[01:00] <TheMuso> Austron: If you want fine control over envy24-based cards, you will need to build envy24control
[01:00] <Lathiat> i randomly get a vertical meter as well as a horizontal one
[01:00] <Lathiat> and sometimes none at all and fiddling with the settings doesnt get it anywhere :P heh
[01:00] <Austron> yes i think so too
[01:00] <_matti> Tree: nt sure but looks like a wrongly named dependency..
[01:00] <Austron> was it difficult to build it
[01:01] <{LSMF}SnIpA> hi i want to set up oident on my Ubuntu but the oident map has te be in the map 'root' when i try to put it their i get the error : your not the owner of the map how can i put the map in the root map now ? pls help
[01:01] <_matti> not, even
[01:01] <TheMuso> Austron: What you need to do is fetch the alsa-tools package from http://www.alsa-project.org
[01:01] <Lathiat> ohh instead of a charging icon it shows a battery with the actual charge percentage, heh looks odd
[01:01] <Treenaks> TheMuso: uh. that's in ubuntu by default
[01:01] <Treenaks> TheMuso: never compile a package that's in a deb somewhere
[01:01] <TheMuso> Treenaks: Where is it then?
[01:01] <bob2> {LSMF}SnIpA: what are you trying to do with an oident map?
[01:02] <Treenaks> TheMuso: apt-cache search alsa
[01:02] <{LSMF}SnIpA> put it in the root directory
[01:02] <TheMuso> Treenaks: But alsa-tools does NOT exist.
[01:02] <{LSMF}SnIpA> but it won't let me
[01:02] <Treenaks> TheMuso: maybe it's named differently
[01:03] <TheMuso> Treenaks: Well if it was there, a search for envy24, or even envy should bring up someting. However nothing shows its head.
[01:03] <Treenaks> alsa-utils - ALSA utilities
[01:03] <TheMuso> Treenaks: Search for alsa-tools and you will get nothing.
[01:03] <_matti> Tree: any ideas on that?
[01:03] <Treenaks> TheMuso: it's called alsa-utils!
[01:03] <bob2> {LSMF}SnIpA: *what* are you trying to acheive?
[01:03] <TheMuso> Treenaks: If I knew of a package for envy24control, I would have pointed right at it.
[01:04] <Treenaks> TheMuso: have you filed a bug that this isn't packaged?
[01:04] <{LSMF}SnIpA> setting up Psybnc but for that the map Oident of psybnc should be in the directory root
[01:04] <TheMuso> Treenaks: it does NOT come in alsa-utils.
[01:04] <bob2> hah, psybnc
[01:04] <TheMuso> Treenaks: No, but I will.
[01:05] <xukun> bob2: I installed the packages, I can access my localhost, but is that all or is there some other configuration I need to do, or read first?
[01:05] <bob2> xukun: I'm not sure what you're trying to set up
[01:07] <_matti> um, anyone else able to install perlmagick?
[01:07] <{LSMF}SnIpA> bob2 sow how can i put the map oident in the mpa root ?
[01:08] <synapse> has anybody tried to install psybnc in ubuntu?
[01:08] <synapse> i just get segmentation errors
[01:08] <Austron> TheMuso, so after getting that alsa-utils package, what then?
[01:08] <xukun> bob2: maybe its a bit out of reach for me but I want to build my own database driven website using PHP & MySQL
[01:08] <bob2> xukun: well, you have all the bits now, you just have to write the code :)
[01:09] <synapse> xutun: it is easy
[01:09] <synapse> apt-get install apache2 mysql-server libapache2-mod-php4
[01:09] <synapse> i think :X
[01:09] <TheMuso> Ok bug filed.
[01:09] <synapse> http://skullbocks.ath.cx
[01:10] <xukun> bob2: thanks a lot for your help
[01:10] <TheMuso> Austron: For now, I suggest you fetch the alsa-tools package form the website as stated earlier. Then you need libgtk1.2-dev I think it is, and libasound2-dev. Then you shouldn't have a problem building it.
[01:10] <bob2> xukun: you're most welcome
[01:10] <TheMuso> s/form/from/
[01:10] <eim> Hello folks, anyone can give me some tips form where to get multisync for Warty? It's not in universe.
[01:11] <Austron> is there a good online tutorial for the whole process you know of?
[01:11] <Austron> (cause im using windows atm)
[01:12] <TheMuso> Austron: No, as I am experienced with building packages. :) I suggest you read the INSTALL file that comes with the alsa-tools/envy24control package.
[01:12] <bob2> eim: build it from source to /usr/local/
[01:12] <{LSMF}SnIpA> bob2 sow how can i put the map oident in the mpa root ?
[01:13] <bob2> {LSMF}SnIpA: I don't understand your question, sorry
[01:13] <Austron> eh by the way.. hehe.. wouldnt it be possible to just copy your envy24control to my computer and run it? :)
[01:13] <bob2> {LSMF}SnIpA: if you just want to proxy IRC so you can have a leet hostname, irssi has a pretty cool proxy module
[01:13] <{LSMF}SnIpA> ok ty :)
[01:13] <TheMuso> Austron: That is an option, but there are a few files to go with it, and I currently don't have access to that box.
[01:14] <Austron> ah okay, no problem im not on my linux pc either ;)
[01:14] <Austron> themuso, ill return to you when i failed in building it myself, i hope youre often in this channel!
[01:15] <Austron> =)
[01:15] <TheMuso> Austron: I am always in this channel, but not always at my machine. :)
[01:16] <Austron> good to know, than thanks for the moment, and have a nice day! (im off, see you!)
[01:16] <WW> Does anyone know of applications similar to xvidcap (http://xvidcap.sourceforge.net/)?  Anything like this already packaged in Ubuntu?
[01:17] <Austron> bye people
[01:18] <WW> xvidcap captures screen activity and mouse movements, and makes a video.
[01:20] <eim> bob2: ok, thanks.
[01:20] <bob2> (it wasn't mature enough for warty, iirc)
[01:22] <GFXstyLER> hi
[01:35] <joha> Why does OpenOffice only print to an A5-region on my A4 paper? And each time I set it to A4, its immediately reset to A5!
[01:40] <Tsjoklat> hey pitti :)
[01:40] <pitti> Hey Tsjoklat!
[01:40] <Tsjoklat> :)
[01:41] <Muhahahha> hi
[01:42] <Muhahahha> do you know why synaptic exist suddely when I choose a package?
[01:43] <thoreauputic> Muhahahha: I think you meant 'exits" ?
[01:43] <Muhahahha> yeah
[01:43] <Muhahahha> exits sorry
[01:43] <thoreauputic> that's a confusing typo :)
[01:43] <BrianB04> Morning all
[01:44] <Muhahahha> I have to isntall all via konsole and searching throught the packages is a pain
[01:45] <thoreauputic> Muhahahha: use apt-cache search <what-you-are-searching-for>
[01:45] <Tsjoklat> Muhahaha are you on hoary?
[01:46] <Muhahahha> i have the hoary repositories yeah
[01:46] <Muhahahha> ie isntalled xorg form there
[01:46] <Tsjoklat> it is a bug
[01:46] <Tsjoklat> in xorg
[01:46] <supos> Anyone here good with isapnp?
[01:47] <bob2> supos: try the list
[01:47] <bob2> the number of people using ubuntu on isa hardware is very very tiny
[01:47] <Muhahahha> haha!
[01:47] <Muhahahha> can i do anyothing to solve it?
[01:47] <bob2> read the bug report
[01:48] <Muhahahha> bob2 that's to me?
[01:48] <supos> bob2: yeah, but the number of people who has used isa hardware at some point probably isn't so small
[01:48] <dlight> someone knows how to change the default sound device if you have multiple sound cards?
[01:48] <bob2> supos: in here it is miniscule, try the list
[01:48] <bob2> dlight: blacklist the other modules
[01:49] <Tsjoklat> Muhahah I think there is not much else to do but wait for it to be fixed
[01:49] <dlight> bob2, in /etc/modules ?
[01:49] <bob2> dlight: /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[01:49] <BrianB04> Quick question: Is the plugin xmms-cdread available in the Ubuntu repos?
[01:49] <bob2> yes
[01:50] <Muhahahha> ok thanks Tsjoklat
[01:50] <Tsjoklat> Muhahahha at least you can still do it through the console
[01:51] <Muhahahha> yeah
[01:51] <dlight> thanks
[01:51] <Tsjoklat> Muhahahha you know how to search for packages?
[01:53] <dlight> where can i see what my sound card's module name is?
[01:53] <Echylo> how to burn cd's in ubuntu
[01:55] <elgringo> hi. why can i send mails via telnet localhost 25 but not from outside? does postfix only transmit local mails?
[01:56] <arthurr> Hi. How do I install a language (for gnome) after ubunto is installed? The gdm login gives me an option to boot in english and dutch (the language i installed ubuntu in) but I want to add a third language. I can find translations with synaptic for openoffice and kde but not gnome
[01:58] <Echylo> arthurr, kzou het ook graag wete ;)
[02:01] <{LSMF}SnIpA> when i typ make in the psybnc folder i get this : Running Coversion Tool for older psyBNC data. make: gcc: Command not found, make: ***[all]  erorr 127
[02:01] <arthurr> Kinda stange that translations after install are available for anything but gnome, the base desktop
[02:02] <xukun> hmm what does this message mean? Sorry, sudo must be setuid root
[02:02] <mjr> arthurr, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[02:03] <Echylo> btw how to burn iso's in ubuntu?
[02:03] <mjr> Echylo, easiest by right-clicking the iso in nautilus and choosing to burn it
[02:04] <Echylo> oow ok :)
[02:04] <Echylo> it's still downloading :p
[02:04] <mjr> arthurr, you don't need any extra packages
[02:04] <elgringo> is someone in mailing issues here? (smtp delivery)
[02:05] <Tsjoklat> elgringo: evolution?
[02:05] <Nap> hello all
[02:06] <elgringo> no, i want to receive mails on my server per smtp server
[02:06] <Nap> to upgrade from warty to hoary, do I have to remove fam and install gamin ?
[02:06] <cenerentola> does someone know why if i use ipw2100 it doesnt get the signal and if i use ndis.. it does?
[02:06] <supos> anyone know if there is a tool like lsmod, that also show which parameters a certain module was loaded with?
[02:06] <Despair> Nap: just install gamin, it'll kill fam for you.
[02:06] <GeosB> Hallo danish user???
[02:06] <Nap> ok :)
[02:06] <Tsjoklat> Nap: apt-get dist-upgrade will fix it for you
[02:06] <Nap> ok
[02:06] <Nap> thank you
[02:07] <Tsjoklat> Nap: it will remove fam and install gamin and start it up
[02:07] <Nap> no guys, it didn't removed fam
[02:08] <{LSMF}SnIpA> when i typ make in the psybnc folder i get this : Running Coversion Tool for older psyBNC data. make: gcc: Command not found, make: ***[all]  erorr 127
[02:08] <Tsjoklat> Nap: did you do an apt-get dist-upgrade? after you did an apt-get update?
[02:08] <arthurr> mjr: Thanks! it works
[02:08] <xukun> I think I have done something wrong, after I did chown -R root, withouw having a root user in ubuntu and know if I run a command with sudo I get: "Sorry, sudo must be setuid root"
[02:08] <Tsjoklat> have you changed your sources to hoary?
[02:08] <cenerentola> can someone help me?
[02:09] <Tsjoklat> cenerentola: ask your question
[02:09] <Nap> Tsjoklat, in fact I had done the update with synaptic, I believed taht it was the same as apt
[02:09] <cenerentola> ive already done it: does someone know why if i use ipw2100 it doesnt get the signal and if i use ndis.. it does?
[02:09] <Tsjoklat> Nap did you change your sources to hoary? and then did reload and then smart upgrade?
[02:09] <Nap> Tsjoklat,  but it still keep fam
[02:09] <Nap> yes
[02:09] <Nap> yes I did it
[02:10] <Tsjoklat> Nap are you comfortable with using the console?
[02:10] <Nap> yes I am
[02:10] <Tsjoklat> Nap go to: cd /etc/apt
[02:10] <Nap> ok
[02:10] <Tsjoklat> could you open up : nano -w sources.list?
[02:10] <arthurr> mjr: it only configures the languages so i can select them. they are still not installed for gnome
[02:10] <Tsjoklat> and give me an example of one line in it?
[02:11] <Nap> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe
[02:11] <Nap> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe
[02:11] <Nap> plus the security related lines
[02:11] <Nap> then marillat
[02:11] <{LSMF}SnIpA> when i typ make in the psybnc folder i get this : Running Coversion Tool for older psyBNC data. make: gcc: Command not found, make: ***[all]  erorr 127
[02:11] <Tsjoklat> ok make it that it looks like this: hoary main restriccted universe multiverse
[02:11] <Tsjoklat> four lines in total
[02:12] <Nap> even for security ?
[02:12] <Tsjoklat> deb + deb-src archives deb + deb-src security
[02:12] <Tsjoklat> yes
[02:12] <Nap> ok
[02:12] <Tsjoklat> all four
[02:12] <Tsjoklat> when you want to change it, you have to use sudo nano -w sources.list
[02:12] <Tsjoklat> but you probably know that :)
[02:13] <Nap> yeah :)
[02:13] <Tsjoklat> and it is restricted .. sorry spelling
[02:13] <Tsjoklat> ok after you  have done that... save and close .... do an apt-get update
[02:13] <Nap> so no more hoary-security ?
[02:13] <Nap> hoary instead ?
[02:14] <Nap> updating...
[02:14] <Tsjoklat> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted universe multiverse
[02:14] <Tsjoklat> like that
[02:15] <Tsjoklat> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[02:15] <Tsjoklat> plus the deb-src ones
[02:15] <Nap> ok, I updated and dist-upgraded
[02:15] <bob2> {LSMF}SnIpA: install build-essential
[02:15] <Nap> with the right sources
[02:15] <Tsjoklat> did it tell you anything?
[02:15] <Nap> no fam removing
[02:15] <Nap> no it seemed to be just all right
[02:15] <Tsjoklat> let me look for a second here
[02:16] <Nap> ok
[02:16] <{LSMF}SnIpA> bob2 where can i download it ?
[02:16] <Tsjoklat> dpkg -l gamin
[02:16] <mjr> arthurr, then they are probably not supported under gnome
[02:16] <Tsjoklat> what does that tell you?
[02:16] <Tsjoklat> does it give you a double ii?
[02:16] <Nap> ii  gamin             0.0.16-1ubuntu1   File and directory monitoring system
[02:16] <Nap> yeah
[02:16] <Tsjoklat> then you got gamin installed
[02:17] <thoreauputic> {LSMF}SnIpA: sudo apt-get install build-esential
[02:17] <Nap> but I still have fam
[02:17] <Tsjoklat> but it will also tell you dpkg -l gam that it is still there
[02:17] <Tsjoklat> I know
[02:17] <Tsjoklat> I have it too
[02:17] <thoreauputic> *essential
[02:17] <Nap> is it a problem ?
[02:17] <Tsjoklat> dpkg -l fam sorry
[02:17] <Tsjoklat> I don't think so
[02:17] <Tsjoklat> they probably going to remove it all together at one time
[02:17] <Tsjoklat> but perhaps gamin is not bug free enough to run on it's own
[02:18] <Tsjoklat> you got problems in Nautilus Nap?
[02:18] <{LSMF}SnIpA> thoreauputic thanks :)
[02:18] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:18] <arthurr> mjr: i tried french and i'm sure ubunto installs that language for gnome if you choose that language when you fist install ubuntu
[02:18] <Nap> ok
[02:18] <mjr> arthurr, or wait, I'm not sure, but try removing the LANGUAGE line from /etc/environment
[02:18] <mjr> it's not a question of installing, but yes, french should be supported
[02:18] <Nap> because some guys told me here gamin will kill/remove fam
[02:19] <mjr> arthurr, try the LANGUAGE thing, I think it might be overriding the gdm selection
[02:19] <Tsjoklat> Nap it will eventually replace fam yes.... but it is something they want done by the time Hoary releases.. and that is in april
[02:19] <Nap> okok :)
[02:19] <arthurr> LANGUAGE of LANG?
[02:19] <mjr> LANGUAGE
[02:19] <Tsjoklat> so we got a few months ahead of us :)
[02:20] <Nap> so have I to remove it ?
[02:20] <Tsjoklat> I wouldn't
[02:20] <Despair> Nap: if you have gamin, you probably don't want fam. if you don't want it, you can do a `dpkg --purge fam libfam0c102`
[02:20] <mjr> arthurr, if it works after that, it's an Ubuntu bug and should be reported
[02:20] <ermo> Tsjoklat, gamin replaces fam? What's the skinny?
[02:20] <bob2> gnome in hoary already uses gamin
[02:20] <bob2> fam is shitty, is the skinny
[02:20] <Nap> ok Despair
[02:20] <Despair> be nice when ubuntu has a kernel in with inotify, too. :)
[02:20] <Tsjoklat> ermo read the hoary release wiki
[02:21] <Tsjoklat> ermo they want to replace fam with gamin by the release of Hoary
[02:21] <ermo> Tsjoklat, aye captain!
[02:21] <{LSMF}SnIpA> where can you download ncursers ?
[02:21] <xukun> is there a way to fix this error: "Sorry, sudo must be setuid root" I cant use my sudo user and I dont have a root user
[02:21] <Tsjoklat> Nap: I want fam gone too.. but I think I am going to wait for ubu to fix it themselves
[02:22] <Nap> ok
[02:22] <bob2> {LSMF}SnIpA: libncurses5-dev is the package you want
[02:22] <Nap> wise decisionj
[02:22] <bob2> Despair: 'tis on the cards
[02:22] <Nap> decision
[02:22] <{LSMF}SnIpA> ok ty bob2 :)
[02:22] <Nap> i will follow it
[02:22] <Tsjoklat> Nap got enough woes with Hoary as it is :)
[02:22] <Tsjoklat> don't need more hehe
[02:22] <Nap> :)
[02:22] <xukun> bob2: do you have any idea?
[02:22] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: oh yes you do ;)
[02:23] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks you don't have enough time to hold my hand 24/7 :)
[02:23] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: uhh
[02:23] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks remember... we still have to strangle evolution lol
[02:23] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: strangle it?
[02:23] <bob2> xukun: show us the output of "mount"
[02:23] <Tsjoklat> j/k Treenaks... too early huh
[02:24] <bob2> I bet you made / nosuid
[02:24] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks the encryption.. I would love to be able to read your e-mails
[02:24] <bob2> I'm guessing that because I did it last month
[02:24] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: ah that one
[02:24] <xukun> bob2:  mount
[02:24] <xukun> /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[02:24] <xukun> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[02:24] <xukun> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[02:24] <xukun> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[02:24] <xukun> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[02:24] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks: told you... it is too early for you
[02:24] <xukun> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[02:24] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: nah I'm quite awake now
[02:25] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks: time to tackle the blog thing you were working on heheh
[02:26] <xukun> bob2: sudo was working before, but I was fellowing some howto and had to do chmod -R root . soon after this I got that message
[02:26] <mjr> arthurr, how's it going?
[02:26] <bob2> xukun: oh god
[02:26] <Tsjoklat> xukun: second that
[02:26] <bob2> xukun: erm, how big a deal is reinstalling now?
[02:27] <arthurr> mjr: still working on it
[02:27] <xukun> so I,m fuckt
[02:27] <mjr> arthurr, well, I'm off to see a movie anyways, hope it works out ;)
[02:27] <stupid> nick/ stupid
[02:28] <bob2> xukun: what exact command did you run, and from what directory?
[02:28] <idiot> hi bob2 its fish
[02:29] <idiot> bob2, do you know where I can change my arch settings so I can compile stuff as i686
[02:29] <arthurr> mjr: thanks for the help, i think it's a bu. i'll install a stable version and report it when it still doesn't work
[02:29] <idiot> instead of i486
[02:30] <xukun> bob2: /usr/bin $ sudo chown -R root .
[02:30] <supos> aaarghh, why won't this just work??
[02:31] <idiot> does anybody knw how to change it from i486
[02:32] <thoreauputic> idiot: you don't need to, really
[02:32] <idiot> thoreauputic, why?
[02:33] <supos> thoreauputic: you know if there is a way to find out with which parameters a module was loaded?
[02:33] <thoreauputic> idiot: why do you think you need to? optimisation or something?
[02:33] <idiot> thoreauputic, ya, so I can compile for my arch etc
[02:34] <idiot> thoreauputic, make use of my hardware
[02:34] <thoreauputic> idiot: are you an ex-gentoo person?
[02:34] <idiot> thoreauputic, no, im an x i686er
[02:35] <Lovechild> thoreauputic, judging from the nick...
[02:35] <supos> lol
[02:35] <smurfix> Anybody know how I can tell gnome to do page-by-page scrolling?
[02:35] <smurfix> (with the mouse wheel)
[02:35] <thoreauputic> idiot: when you compile, you are already compiling for your hardware etc
[02:35] <xukun> bob2: are u still here?
[02:36] <Lovechild> BrianB04, so.. time to upgrade to Hoary :)
[02:36] <BrianB04> Is Hoary safe?
[02:36] <idiot> thoreauputic, it knows automatically then there is no make file? I see with apt-build there is one, but I want to use dpkg buile
[02:36] <Lovechild> BrianB04, crossing the street isn't safe.. why would a development branch be?
[02:36] <smurfix> BrianB04: define "safe"
[02:36] <BrianB04> Not gonna blow up my computer
[02:36] <smurfix> yes
[02:36] <BrianB04> That's safe
[02:37] <smurfix> physically
[02:37] <thoreauputic> idiot: umm.... I can't see the point of reaching for tiny improvements in performance
[02:37] <BrianB04> Okay, that's fine. It's an expensive laptop...don't want it melted. Now, if it blows up the OS, oh well, I try do that on occasion
[02:37] <idiot> thoreauputic, even so, do you know where i would look to change my settings/
[02:37] <idiot> ?
[02:38] <Lovechild> BrianB04, how can you put a price on fun
[02:38] <BrianB04> Ummm, 1500 is more than fun is worth;)
[02:38] <thoreauputic> idiot: no, I've never bothered with that stuff and truthfully I think it's a waste of time
[02:38] <Lovechild> BrianB04, true.. *it came out of the box like that..*
[02:39] <idiot> thoreauputic, have you used Yoper?
[02:39] <Lovechild> BrianB04, common spammers trick to keep it on the top of the pile
[02:40] <Lovechild> ermo, well hello.. do I know you?
[02:40] <BrianB04> Now, to start playing with GNU arch, which is one the reasons I started trying Linux
[02:40] <supos> Anyone know where I would look for sound configuration files in Knoppix? Sound works in Knoppix, but not in Ubuntu, so I figured since they're both Debian based, I might be able to just copy the conf files...
[02:41] <Falstius> idiot, compiling for generic 686 instead of generic 486 doesn't make much difference.  From what I've heard, Yoper gets most of its speed from using prelink
[02:41] <ermo> Lovechild, if you frequent aauug then yes, there's a fair chance that you do. Furthermore, if you are intrigued by GNUStep I'm almost certain that we've corresponded before.
[02:41] <Lovechild> ermo, aauug yes, GNUstep no, I'm strictly a GNOME guy
[02:41] <bob2> xukun: yes
[02:41] <bob2> idiot: there isn't one
[02:42] <bob2> idiot: if you want that, use gentoo
[02:42] <ermo> Lovechild, hm. Let me check my archives
[02:42] <bob2> idiot: if you want to use it occasionally on ubuntu, look at pentium-builder ( a package)
[02:42] <idiot> Falstius, unfortunately prelink seems to crash my box all the time, and others as well, but Im a free as in beer person for the most part and Yoper is going to start selling there services, and well theres alot of other reasons why im using Ubuntu
[02:42] <bob2> xukun: reinstalling is the simple solution
[02:42] <Falstius> Yoper sells support, not the distro
[02:43] <xukun> bob2: if I had root user this wouldnt be a prblem to fix yes?
[02:43] <Falstius> prelink is supposed to be "safe"
[02:43] <idiot> bob2, ya ive seen that, right now im using apt-fu. seems to do the job, but whats the point if im just compiling for 486 -02
[02:43] <bob2> xukun: no, it would still be really annoying to fix
[02:43] <bob2> idiot: what's the point of recompiling packages at all?
[02:44] <Falstius> speaking of which, I'm going to reboot to ubuntu so I can try prelinking it.
[02:44] <bob2> idiot: do you really know that any other setting will get you a useful performance boost?
[02:44] <xukun> bob2: it see
[02:44] <bob2> prelinking should not making anything crash
[02:44] <bob2> it's a grave bug at least if it does
[02:44] <idiot> Falstius, I may be wrong but I thought they were going to sell their distro soon, or a pro version, and they have a lot of missing packages and not as myany security or bug fixes as as Ubuntu
[02:45] <bob2> supos: this is with a ISA sound card?
[02:45] <supos> bob2: Yes
[02:45] <jdub> idiot: on the front page of the website, it makes it pretty clear that ubuntu will always be free of charge...
[02:45] <BrianB04> Dumb question: Does Hoary have Firefox 1?
[02:45] <idiot> bob2, ive seen others with same prob on google
[02:46] <Despair> BrianB04: still on a patched up RC, afaik.
[02:46] <bob2> idiot: then surely one of you have filed bug reports?
[02:46] <BrianB04> I'm almost tempted to just install Firefox, and then symlink it over the preexisting binaries...but....
[02:46] <jdub> don't bother with prelink
[02:46] <idiot> bob2, ya we have
[02:46] <idiot> bob2, at least I think they had
[02:46] <bob2> right, of course
[02:46] <idiot> jdub, Im talking about Yoper
[02:47] <bob2> and now it won't be fixed, and people will see random hits on google for "omg lolz prelink ate my system"
[02:47] <idiot> anyhow I dont car about Yoper, I just want to know how to change it in my system
[02:47] <ermo> Lovechild, David *Nej, jeg fr ikke penge for at skamrose Fedora* Nielsen ring a bell?
[02:47] <Lovechild> ermo, hehe...
[02:47] <Despair> bob2: I've gotten a noticable performance (and quality) boost by compiling my own OpenAL, but that's not the norm. (need to file a bug about the torn-speaker-emulation ubuntu openal is doing, heh)
[02:47] <supos> bob2: If I load the same modules in ubuntu as in knoppix, I do get sound, but it is _very_ choppy, and obviously something is wrong
[02:47] <ermo> Lovechild, that ermo
[02:47] <idiot> Falstius, you need to compile your software for prelihk see Gentoos how to
[02:48] <bob2> idiot: no you don't
[02:48] <idiot> Prelink is alot of work
[02:48] <BrianB04> Gentoo == Pain in the butt.
[02:48] <bob2> idiot: you prelink binaries
[02:48] <ermo> BrianB04, in what language?
[02:48] <bob2> that's what it does
[02:48] <Lovechild> ermo, okay then, Ubuntu and Fedora are both fine distros
[02:48] <Lovechild> BrianB04, be nice..
[02:48] <bob2> Despair: if it's a significant boost, it's possible for ubuntu (and/or debian) to provide versions compiled for i586 or 686 or whatever and have them automagically used
[02:49] <BrianB04> ermo, I think it's some weird language that comes from an island...somewhere in the pacific. All I mean, is that Gentoo seems to randomly break packages, which are then fixed like 2 days later. Too cutting edge for my taste.
[02:49] <idiot> bob2, im not pulling this out of my ass, just look at Gentoo's site its alot of work
[02:49] <ermo> BrianB04, hehe
[02:49] <bob2> idiot: well, I don't know what some random gentoo site says, but prelinking prelinks existing binaries
[02:49] <Despair> bob2: biggest problem is that they need to use a more recent cvs openal, there's been a lot of bugs fixed since the last release.
[02:50] <bob2> that's what it does
[02:50] <BrianB04> Plus, updating the system can be risky. Whereas with Debian...it just does it.
[02:50] <bob2> Despair: does sid have the newere version?
[02:50] <Lovechild> as an old Gentoo user I'll stay out of this
[02:50] <BrianB04> Man, I wish I could get my laptop's volume control to work under Ubuntu, but I don't even know where to begin to look for info
[02:50] <idiot> bob2, not some random site, the main homesite
[02:50] <Despair> bob2: I don't think so. I was playing with OpenAL and compiling it myself, when I used debian, so I stopped tracking the debian package...
[02:50] <bob2> idiot: well, that doesn't make them less wrong
[02:51] <Lovechild> jdub, so any more peice of pipka that needs fixing before the wedding?
[02:51] <BrianB04> It works out of the box on Windows, so it's not some weird driver...
[02:51] <gluon> is anyone else having troubles with CUPS?
[02:51] <bob2> idiot: if you mean http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/prelink-howto.xml, then it doesn't seem to say you need to compile anything
[02:52] <gluon> it detects >10 USB ports on my computer
[02:52] <bob2> Despair: http://packages.debian.org/src:openal
[02:52] <gluon> and printing fails due to that
[02:52] <bob2> Despair: if unstable has the version you'd like, you can ask for it to be synced into hoary
[02:52] <Falstius> bob2, prelink just adds some metainformation to binaries to let them know where to hook into .so files
[02:52] <Falstius> no need to compile
[02:53] <BrianB04> The way you do prelink under Gentoo, is add it to the USE make.conf opts, however...that's really dangerous cause it can break PAM
[02:53] <BrianB04> And I'm sure other packages.
[02:53] <BrianB04> PAM I know from experience though
[02:53] <Despair> bob2: hmm, the unstable one is probably in better shape, at least.
[02:54] <idiot> bob2,  like my name says, anyways, It would still be nice to know where to find these settings
[02:54] <bob2> Falstius: yes, I know, idiot is claiming you have to recompile everything
[02:54] <bob2> idiot: what settings?
[02:54] <Despair> bob2: there's some other gotchas. if you enable the assembly, openal used to conjure ominous electronic god-mosquitos of doom. :)
[02:54] <idiot> im wrong everybody sorry
[02:54] <bob2> Despair: haha
[02:54] <Falstius> heh, gentoo, if it moves compile it. (I use gentoo)
[02:54] <Despair> (I made that comment to OpenAL's main developer, and he knew exactly what I was talking about :)
[02:55] <Lovechild> Falstius, bringing a whole new meaning to the term a moving target
[02:55] <BrianB04> Now, to remember how to add items in the Gnome menu....
[02:55] <xukun> bob2: in the beginning when I started linux(few months ago) I started using knoppix, but I asked a quation in #debian then peaple shouted at me if I said I use knoppix, you where also there(very helpfull for me) now I see you here in #ubuntu. I wonder why?
[02:56] <bob2> xukun: they shout at you because lots of people come in with knoppix-specific problems and ask for help, and then complain when they're asked to go to #knoppix instead
[02:56] <Falstius> Lovechild, thats just bad.
[02:56] <bob2> xukun: I apologise if I got annoyed at you for no reason
[02:57] <bob2> xukun: I've just been using ubuntu for a few months now and find this channel to be a great way to procrastinate ;-)
[02:57] <Despair> bob2: hmm, I'll check what fixes cvs OpenAL's had since then, if any...
[02:57] <Lovechild> Falstius, then hit it with a club first.. hell my email is still provided by breakmygentoo - I'm a odd fella that way
[02:57] <Falstius> what is bmg?  I saw that name for the first time today
[02:57] <xukun> bob2: read I wrote please U not annoyed me I said "you where very helpfull for me"
[02:57] <bob2> it's gentoo for the super-eleet
[02:58] <Lovechild> Falstius, it's a project outside Gentoo that a few friends and I started to provide development packages and such
[02:58] <bob2> xukun: oh, I know, but I'm sometimes helpful while being annoyed :-)
[02:59] <jcspray> on the subject of OpenAL, the latest cvs from opensource.creative.com works substantially better than the debian/ubuntu package for me.
[02:59] <xukun> bob2: :-)
[02:59] <bob2> jcspray: so Despair is saying
[03:01] <Falstius> speaking of libraries, what is the command to display which libraries a binary depends on?
[03:01] <bob2> how far out fro ma release do you guys think they are?
[03:01] <bob2> Falstius: ldd /bin/blah
[03:01] <jcspray> the deb package won't accept a dopplerfactor of 0.0, with 'interesting' results :-)
[03:01] <Despair> bob2: OpenAL does releases?
[03:01] <Falstius> danke.
[03:01] <idiot> bob2, how long did it take you to know what your doing
[03:02] <bob2> Despair: hah
[03:02] <bob2> Despair: that's not very encouraging
[03:02] <bob2> idiot: with linux or ubuntu?
[03:02] <idiot> bob2, lets say Debian in general
[03:02] <idiot> bob2, or linux
[03:03] <bob2> idiot: few months to be able to use it, 4 years to get where I am now
[03:03] <bob2> haven't really used anything else in 2 years or so
[03:03] <BrianB04> bob2: So you use only Linux?
[03:03] <idiot> bob2, well its been two year now for me and Im still nowhere
[03:04] <idiot> BrianB04, I do now, thats whats making me crazy
[03:04] <bob2> BrianB04: yes
[03:04] <bob2> idiot: using which distribution?
[03:04] <BrianB04> Right now, my laptop will be completly Linux for devel, my desktop, now that I don't game all that much, might slowly become Linux only.
[03:04] <idiot> bob2, BrianB04, thats because I still really know what IM doing, and I want everyhting to work, and if it doesnt Ill come ask you LOL!
[03:05] <idiot> bob2, well first I decided on Fedora, removed that
[03:06] <idiot> bob2, anyway Ive decided on Ubuntu. or Debian to say the least
[03:06] <idiot> bob2, IVe tried them all practivally
[03:06] <BrianB04> Debian is a good distro. Easy to update, stable...and apt-get is a dream
[03:07] <bob2> Debian is not good for new users, tho
[03:07] <bob2> since the amount of work you have to put in to get a usable system is pretty high
[03:07] <Treenaks> bob2: yes it is
[03:07] <idiot> BrianB04, but Ubuntu is more bleeding edge support
[03:07] <bob2> and can be very frustrating
[03:07] <Treenaks> bob2: if the person is serious about learning
[03:07] <BrianB04> Ubuntu takes care of some of that.
[03:07] <bob2> Treenaks: s/tho/IMHO/
[03:07] <Falstius> I wish apt-cache search was as nice as emerge -s
[03:07] <idiot> bob2, Redhat, Fedora is bloat,
[03:07] <gluon> I personally find Gentoo easier to use, but compiling everything is a waste of time & energy
[03:07] <bob2> Treenaks: I'm an enormous debian fanboy and I still think the curve is too steep for people brand new to linux
[03:08] <bob2> Falstius: what doesn't it do?
[03:08] <Despair> bob2: I don't see anything critical that's changed, there's some removed headers and corrections in the headers, but 20040909 should work fine, as long as it's properly configured.
[03:08] <idiot> gentoo is to long to setup
[03:08] <jdub> dudes
[03:08] <idiot> and you need a highspeed connectiohn
[03:08] <jdub> please leave out the distro discussion
[03:08] <jdub> it's better left elsewhere
[03:08] <Falstius> bob2, it doesn't have as many packages ;)  Seems like the descriptions aren't as complete and so its harder to search for things
[03:08] <idiot> debian has more fixes than the niche distros
[03:08] <bob2> Despair: is there anything debian/ubuntu could improve in the default config?
[03:08] <idiot> like Yoper
[03:09] <idiot> or some other
[03:09] <bob2> Falstius: debian has more packages than any other OS, I'm not sure how universe stacks up against that
[03:09] <Despair> bob2: Dunno, hard for me to test right now, being on amd64 and not having gotten around to setting up an ia32 chroot yet... :)
[03:10] <bob2> Despair: ah
[03:10] <idiot> gentoo has alot in a package manager, slackware is decent, but no software compared to debian.
[03:10] <BrianB04> Hmmm, maybe Ubuntu's packages don't have GNU arch...
[03:10] <jdub> BrianB04: tla
[03:11] <BrianB04> Oh, yea, tla
[03:11] <jdub> BrianB04: and see bazaar.canonical.com for packages of baz
[03:11] <Despair> bob2: main thing is to avoid `--enable-archasm` in the configure options. :)
[03:11] <netmonk> what do I use to erase w cd-rw?
[03:14] <Falstius> bob2, I only have anecdotal evidence but ubuntu-universe is relatively small.  Thats okay
[03:15] <deFrysk> Debian Sarge focuses on easy installation according to http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39173518,00.htm
[03:15] <bob2> Falstius: it contains 14 000 packages
[03:16] <deFrysk> we'll see
[03:16] <jdub> Falstius: compared to? there's not much in there that hasn't built...
[03:17] <Lathiat> deFrysk: old news and ubuntu uses the same installer their talking about (more or less) :)
[03:17] <Lathiat> with lots of extra stuff, but its absed off
[03:17] <deFrysk> Lathiat, I see
[03:17] <bob2> well, lots of less stuff
[03:18] <Falstius> jdub, compared to Gentoo.  But I was just making a joke.  I just find apt-cache search disapointing.
[03:18] <ElRaton> hello
[03:18] <bob2> Falstius: gentoo has more than 14 000 packages?
[03:19] <ElRaton> I created #ubuntu-fr, and I'm subscribed to the ubuntu-fr mailing list...
[03:20] <ElRaton> i'm building http://ubuntu-fr.sitlib.org/wiki/, and i'd like to have a CNAME from fr.ubuntu.com to ubuntu-fr.sitlib.org
[03:20] <ElRaton> who do I need to ask to ?
[03:21] <Falstius> 7998 according to the gentoo site
[03:21] <Falstius> so no, it doesn't have more.  Seems like when I check portage though I find the package I'm looking for and not when I check apt.
[03:23] <Falstius> but as I said, my real complaint is the descriptions and not the number of packages.
[03:23] <bob2> ElRaton: I guess jdub
[03:23] <scoon> Falstius: did you run gentoo ? is so, why did you switch ?
[03:24] <xukun> I,m installing ubuntu, at what stage can I change the sources.lost to hoary?
[03:24] <bob2> xukun: you can try the alpha hoary install disks
[03:24] <bob2> xukun: or just finish the base install and switch then
[03:24] <ElRaton> bob2, thx
[03:24] <ElRaton> jdub, online please ?
[03:24] <Falstius> scoon, I still run gentoo.  I haven't switched.  I'm just playing with Ubuntu and considering it for my parents.
[03:25] <jdub> ElRaton: why a separate wiki?
[03:25] <scoon> Falstius; right on
[03:25] <ElRaton> jdub, it's the beginning of a complete portal
[03:25] <Falstius> I gave them a rather nice computer which is not so clogged with virus and spam that it is now useless.  So instead I want to set them up with a nice linux
[03:25] <ElRaton> jdub, for the channel, for the mailing list, with blogs links, tips, ...
[03:26] <Falstius> Ubuntu is easy and not as cluttered (confusing) as other distros.
[03:26] <jdub> ElRaton: probably the kind of thing that should be on the ubuntu website :)
[03:26] <ElRaton> jdub, I know
[03:26] <ermo> Lovechild, I'm noticing a difference in what kind of questions are asked in #ubuntu vs. #fedora
[03:26] <Falstius> er, the computer is now so clogged
[03:26] <xukun> bob2: that would changing warty to hoary in the sources.list?
[03:26] <ElRaton> jdub, but that's a good thing to show people take part of the Ubuntu distribution
[03:26] <bob2> xukun: yes, but hoary has no security fixes
[03:27] <ElRaton> jdub, not only the core team
[03:27] <yeah_ruby> ermo, so what's it? :)
[03:27] <ElRaton> jdub, and I think it's a way to have real communities
[03:27] <ermo> yeah_ruby, ahem.
[03:27] <jdub> ElRaton: the ubuntu website is editable by non 'core team' people
[03:27] <ElRaton> jdub, I mean, I can't include http://ubuntu-fr.sitlib.org/bot/ubuntu-fr-current.png on the main website ;)
[03:27] <ermo> yeah_ruby, let's not go there, ok?
[03:27] <ElRaton> jdub, yes, it is.
[03:27] <xukun> bob2: so I need the security fix then I should stick with warty?
[03:28] <ElRaton> jdub, but it is not in french ;)
[03:28] <yeah_ruby> alright :) thanks twice then
[03:28] <jdub> ElRaton: it is fully translatable
[03:28] <ElRaton> jdub, and, i'd like to make a "your screenshots" part, ...
[03:28] <bob2> xukun: yes
[03:28] <ElRaton> jdub, to translate the wiki interface ?
[03:29] <jdub> ElRaton: the rest of the site; the wiki itself isn't translatable yet (but there are non-english pages in there already)
[03:29] <ElRaton> jdub, I know them, of course
[03:29] <jdub> ElRaton: please mail lu@canonical.com Louise McCance-Price about it
[03:29] <ElRaton> ok, thx
[03:29] <jdub> ElRaton: it's preferable that we have one location for this stuff
[03:29] <ElRaton> jdub, at this time, you don't agree with the idea ?
[03:30] <jdub> i think it's better to use the ubuntu site instead of making too many separate sites, yes.
[03:33] <gecco> hi everybody
[03:34] <gecco> can anybody help me with a problem with ubuntu linux?
[03:34] <bob2> just ask
[03:34] <gecco> i want to mount a fat32-partition
[03:35] <bob2> /dev/hda-whatever /mnt/whatever vfat rw,umask=002 0 0
[03:35] <bob2> replace the first two columns with appriroate values
[03:35] <bob2> put it in /etc/fstab
[03:35] <bob2> run "sudo mount /mnt/whatever"
[03:36] <deFrysk> example : /dev/hda5               /mnt/hda5               vfat    user,umask=000  0 0
[03:36] <deFrysk> sudo mkdir /mnt/hda5
[03:36] <deFrysk> mount /mnt/hda5
[03:36] <deFrysk> done
[03:37] <deFrysk> first line is for fstab
[03:37] <Falstius> dmask=0,fmask=111 saves you from having a bunch of "executable" text files.
[03:37] <gecco> ok i will try
[03:37] <gecco> :-)
[03:37] <deFrysk> gecco, have fun ;p
[03:39] <leonel> firefox  1.0 for ubuntu ?  where ?
[03:40] <deFrysk> leonel, nowhere
[03:40] <bob2> if you really want 1.0, get the tarball from mozilla.org and install it to /usr/local/
[03:41] <lml> I am trying to get 2 bt878 cards working in Ubuntu, but I am having trouble with /dev/dsp devices. The video is working but there is only one /dev/dsp available.
[03:41] <Treenaks> lml: /dev/dsp is deprecated
[03:42] <scoon> Treenaks: but alsa still offers oss paths for backwards compatibility
[03:42] <Treenaks> scoon: yes, for now..
[03:43] <lml> Treenaks: what is the alternative?
[03:43] <Treenaks> lml: ALSA
[03:44] <zenwhen> indeed
[03:44] <gecco> how do i insert /home/gecco # /dev/hda5 /mnt/hda5 vfat rw, umask=002 0 0 in /etc/fstab?
[03:44] <bob2> sudo nano /etc/fstab
[03:44] <bob2> but you don't want a space between rw, and umask
[03:45] <lml> treenaks: how do ALSA present the dsp of the bt878 cards?
[03:45] <gecco> no space between?
[03:45] <Treenaks> lml: I don't know
[03:45] <leonel> bob2 , deFrysk : can I install from Debian Sid ?
[03:45] <scoon> lml: alsa creates a layer that masks as oss for things that need it
[03:46] <leonel> there's on SID already
[03:46] <bob2> leonel: yes, but if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces
[03:46] <scoon> lml: here is the best resource: http://www.alsa-project.org/
[03:46] <bob2> if it's in sid it'll be in hoary soon
[03:47] <gecco> ok now i see the following. What to do now?
[03:47] <gecco> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[03:47] <gecco> #
[03:47] <gecco> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[03:47] <gecco> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[03:47] <gecco> /dev/hda5       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[03:47] <gecco> /dev/hda6       none            swap    sw              0       0
[03:47] <gecco> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[03:47] <thoreauputic> gecco: you read the channel topic :/
[03:48] <gecco> yes.... it said support... ;-)
[03:48] <gecco> and i need support, because i'm new on linux
[03:48] <Falstius> gecco, the bit about not pasting stuff into the channel.
[03:48] <leonel> bob2: so there won't be a firefox 1.0 for  ubuntu ?
[03:49] <bob2> leonel: of course ther will be
[03:49] <bob2> leonel: it won't go into warty, tho
[03:49] <leonel> that's what I meant
[03:49] <leonel> ok
[03:49] <leonel> thanks
[03:49] <bob2> warty doesn't get ne software
[03:49] <bob2> er, new
[03:49] <gecco> sorry for pasting....... can anybody help me in a private chat session?
[03:49] <bob2> that's what stable means
[03:50] <bob2> gecco: keep it on-channel so everyon can hel pyou
[03:50] <leonel> bob2: I forgot je
[03:50] <bob2> ah
[03:50] <deFrysk> gecco paste it in pastebin.com
[03:50] <deFrysk> and give the url
[03:51] <deFrysk> here
[03:51] <bob2> or #flood
[03:51] <deFrysk> or what bob sayd
[03:51] <deFrysk> said
[03:51] <Falstius> join #flood
[03:51] <deFrysk> bob2 even
[03:51] <thoreauputic> gecco: just use your arrow keys to go down to a new line, add your new line to /etc/fstab, then save and quit nano
[03:51] <Falstius> heh, haven't used IRC for years.  out of practice with me /s ;)
[03:51] <deFrysk> ctrl-x saves
[03:52] <deFrysk> otherwise use gedit
[03:52] <thoreauputic> deFrysk: well, it prompts to save
[03:52] <deFrysk> sudo gedit blah
[03:52] <deFrysk> thoreauputic, agree
[03:57] <xukun> when I shut the system down I still have to push the power to get it shut, is there a way to fix this?
[03:58] <Lathiat> xukun: is it a computer or a laptop?
[03:58] <Lathiat> probaly something weird not having acpi or apm support or something
[03:58] <Lathiat> xukun: is it a newer computer? (some older computers dont have auto shut off..)
[03:58] <xukun> a P3 500mhz pc
[03:58] <bob2> xukun: add "apm" on a line by itself to /etc/modules
[03:59] <bob2> it should power off after your next reboot
[04:02] <xukun> bob2: I should vi /etc/modules and then add apm yes?
[04:05] <jind> What is the largest partition size for vfat?
[04:05] <bob2> xukun: yes
[04:05] <bob2> jind: depends on if you want windows to be able to use it or not
[04:05] <xukun> bob2: thanks
[04:06] <jind> I need windows to use it yes
[04:08] <neuro_> FAT16 max partition size is 2GB, 4GB when using XP
[04:09] <neuro_> FAT32 theorietically is 8TB, but win2k can't write out larger than 32GB
[04:11] <jcspray> I had a 50 gig vfat partition that windows could see, that was created with parted.  YMMV.
[04:24] <xaero> is Ubuntu/AMD64 easy to set up with an ia32-chroot I can run Cedega in?
[04:24] <GFXstyLER> hi
[04:27] <cenerentola> Hi there...
[04:28] <Manny> hi :)
[04:28] <cenerentola> can someone tell me the meaning and the consequences.. of this report:
[04:28] <cenerentola> cenerentola@anotherworld:~ $ dmesg | grep ipw
[04:28] <cenerentola> ipw2100: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2100 Network Driver, 0.53
[04:28] <cenerentola> ipw2100: Copyright(c) 2003-2004 Intel Corporation
[04:28] <cenerentola> ipw2100: 0000:02:0a.0: Detected at mem: 0xC2005000-0xC2005FFF -> f0b23000, irq: 11
[04:28] <cenerentola> ipw2100: IRQ ignored
[04:28] <cenerentola> ipw2100: IRQ ignored
[04:28] <cenerentola> ipw2100: IRQ ignored
[04:28] <cenerentola> hi manny
[04:28] <Manny> is there any alsa auto configuration script?
[04:28] <Lathiat> cenerentola: is it causing a problem?
[04:29] <cenerentola> well i cant use the wifi
[04:30] <Manny> while ubuntu seems to be pretty good at detecting hardware (hotplug etc.), my soundcard was installed after the installation and isn't used, although the relevant modules where modprobed automagically
[04:30] <Lathiat> cenerentola: well no idea then what the problem is
[04:30] <Manny> my guess is that some alsa configuration file has to be written
[04:31] <cenerentola> lathiat: the fact is that with static conf or dhcp... it cant receive packets..
[04:31] <deFrysk> Manny, run alsamixer , when done alsactr store
[04:32] <Lathiat> cenerentola: right so its broken, tought bickies
[04:32] <deFrysk> alsactl store , sorry
[04:32] <cenerentola> lathiat: it works with windows...
[04:32] <Manny> alsactl: save_state:1061: No soundcards found...
[04:32] <Lathiat> i was talking about the driver
[04:32] <Lathiat> use ndiswrapper
[04:32] <Lathiat> if it works in indows that should work then
[04:33] <deFrysk> Manny, than you have a prob...
[04:33] <Manny> dunno what the criterion for detecting soundcards is
[04:33] <scoon> anyone here use xbindkeys
[04:33] <cenerentola> lathiat... ill try thx
[04:33] <Manny> in my opinion, it writes some file to /etc/alsa. I've dpkg-reconfigured some packages as well
[04:33] <Manny> alsa-base, alsa-utils that is
[04:34] <Manny> s^it writes^it should have written
[04:34] <Manny> ^
[04:34] <deFrysk> I have to make some food
[04:34] <Manny> deFrysk good idea
[04:34] <deFrysk> ;)
[04:34] <joolz> smakelijk :)
[04:34] <deFrysk> Manny, good luck
[04:34] <deFrysk> joolz, dank je
[04:34] <Manny> deFrysk but remember: good food means tasteful food, neither much nor cheap food
[04:35] <thoreauputic> Manny: have you tried running alsaconf ?
[04:35] <Manny> (and tastes great as well :)
[04:35] <Manny> thoreauputic no. None of the debs provided it
[04:35] <Manny> thoreauputic where is it?
[04:35] <thoreauputic> :(
[04:36] <Manny> should it be in alsa-utils?
[04:37] <cenerentola> thoreaupeutic: any hint for me?
[04:37] <Manny> let me try sudo apt-get install --reinstall alsa-utils
[04:37] <thoreauputic> Manny: yes, here it's in alsa-utils
[04:37] <Manny> hopefully no disk breakage
[04:37] <thoreauputic> Manny: but this is debian, not ubuntu
[04:37] <Manny> thoreauputic how can I traceback where a file came from with debian means? I used to use packages.debian.org.
[04:38] <thoreauputic> Manny: if it's installed, dpkg -S alsaconf will show it
[04:38] <GFXstyLER> just tried to install debian  .. never felt like such a noob :D i guess ill use ubuntu, seems a lot of easier
[04:38] <Manny> thoreauputic thanks
[04:39] <lemsx1> $> dpkg -S /usr/sbin/alsaconf
[04:39] <lemsx1> alsa-utils: /usr/sbin/alsaconf
[04:39] <Manny> LANG=C dpkg -S alsaconf
[04:39] <Manny> dpkg: *alsaconf* not found.
[04:39] <lemsx1> Manny, install alsa-utils
[04:39] <Manny> lemsx1: I just did sudo apt-get install --reinstall alsa-utils
[04:40] <Manny> my first guess was "it isn't in your path man"
[04:40] <siulca> I am right now downloading Ubuntu installation CD. I'm going to replace Fedora C2. Any advice before I start installation?
[04:40] <lemsx1> Manny, :-) perhaps /usr/sbin is for root (and sudo uses it)
[04:40] <lemsx1> Manny, sudo alsaconf should work
[04:40] <scoon> anyone use xbindkeys ?
[04:40] <Manny> lemsx1: I know UNIX :)
[04:40] <lemsx1> scoon, you shouldn't use that
[04:41] <Manny> lemsx1: there simply is no /usr/sbin/alsaconf
[04:41] <scoon> lemsx1: how come
[04:41] <lemsx1> scoon, metacity does some keybindings for you
[04:41] <thoreauputic> lemsx1, no, dpkg -S shows he doesn't have it on his system :/
[04:41] <lemsx1> scoon, what do you want to "bind" ?
[04:41] <scoon> lemsx1: not enuff
[04:41] <scoon> lemsx1: i have a logitech mx900 and metacity does not bind enuff for me.
[04:41] <siulca> :|
[04:42] <lemsx1> Manny, no offense, is that this is a "newbie" channel and people something don't know... :-) i always assume the worse here and be as explicit as possible
[04:42] <Manny> this is very weird
[04:42] <siulca> no advice?
[04:42] <scoon> lemsx1: i need to use xmodmap to get keycodes mapped to the correct keys.
[04:42] <thoreauputic> Manny: seems like alsa-utils is broken...
[04:42] <lemsx1> scoon, create a Xmodmap file and put it in /etc/X11/Xmodmap it will work
[04:42] <Manny> could anybody who is on ubuntu please enter dpkg -S alsaconf in a shell?
[04:43] <lemsx1> scoon, you can use xkeycaps
[04:43] <scoon> have an xmodmap file.  should NOT need to put it global, have and it does not work.
[04:43] <lemsx1> scoon, oops. not that. let me look it up
[04:43] <GFXstyLER> does there exist some kind of .mp3 plugin for ubuntu ?
[04:43] <scoon> lemsx1: the real crux of the problem is these kb operate in both blue tooth and ir modes.
[04:43] <kent> GFXstyLER, gstreamer-mad
[04:43] <lemsx1> Manny, that's weird indeed... i'm a debian user of course :-) (vanilla debian)
[04:44] <GFXstyLER> thx
[04:44] <kent> GFXstyLER, read the homepage (its in the restricted section or something)
[04:44] <lemsx1> Manny, alsaconf used to be part of alsa-conf or something like that... (alsa-base?)
[04:44] <Manny> lemsx1: I used to be, until my system got more and more unstable (well, I was on unstable), but foo
[04:44] <scoon> lemsx1: i use bluetooth and the mappings change slightly.  i think that may have something to do with it.
[04:45] <lemsx1> scoon, did you try the Gnome's keyboard control panel? it does some xmodmap for you
[04:45] <scoon> yes
[04:45] <scoon> and that is why i use xbindkyes
[04:45] <gen> do you guys know of any unrar utility with a gui
[04:45] <Manny> :q
[04:45] <gen> :)
[04:45] <Manny> gen: file-roller
[04:45] <Manny> ?
[04:46] <Manny> file-roller is a GUI to unrar, that is
[04:46] <lemsx1> scoon, indeed, the app is called xkeycaps
[04:46] <scoon> lemsx1: hopefully it will work better than xbindkeys
[04:46] <scoon> lemsx1: thanks
[04:46] <lemsx1> scoon, with it you can create a nice Xmodmap and place it in /etc/X11/Xmodmap (with the same case)
[04:46] <gen> manny: doesn't work correct for these rar packages
[04:46] <scoon> lemsx1: except i don't like installing globally
[04:46] <lemsx1> scoon, i do that for some of my keys to be used for all users of this system
[04:46] <netmonk> Does anyone know how can change the login screen of ubuntu?
[04:46] <scoon> lemsx1: just my little thing that i prescribe to.
[04:47] <Manny> gen: if a rar archive is broken, the GUI won't help
[04:47] <Manny> try cp'ing and repairing it
[04:47] <lemsx1> netmonk, gdmsetup
[04:47] <netmonk> 10x lemsx1
[04:47] <gen> cp?
[04:47] <Manny> I've never succeeded, but it's worth a try
[04:47] <Manny> gen: copy
[04:48] <arun--> real player 8 is installed default in ubuntu, how do i know if the plugin for realplayer is installed for firefox?
[04:48] <scoon> lemsx1: thanks but that won't work for me either.  if xmodmap won't do it then neither will its gui frontend
[04:48] <gen> manny: copy what?
[04:48] <Manny> gen: the archive, before repairing it
[04:48] <Manny> because repairing changes it
[04:48] <Manny> and might damage it
[04:48] <kent> arun--,  type about:plugins  in the browser..
[04:48] <Manny> arun-- kent is very much right
[04:48] <gen> not understanding, repair what though
[04:48] <Manny> kent is godlike :)
[04:49] <Manny> gen: the archive
[04:49] <lemsx1> scoon, i meant to create a global xmodmap ... if you don't want it global, then create one and call it ~/.xmodmap-mine and then have a startup script call: xmodmap ~/.xmodmap-mine
[04:49] <Manny> because it is very likely to be broken
[04:49] <GFXstyLER> thx guys it works
[04:49] <GFXstyLER> thank you very much ;)
[04:49] <Manny> GFXstyLER well, you could in turn design ubuntu artwork :)
[04:49] <scoon> lemsx1: i have done that already.  i think the problem is with the gnome-session manager and the fact that my keyboards are newer than what is in xfree
[04:50] <arun--> kent: thank yo :) libnullplugin.so only this is installed
[04:50] <scoon> lemsx1: this has been an ongoing problem for me w/ these kb's.  i had this problem with gentoo as well.
[04:50] <GFXstyLER> yes i have to get familiar with gimp2
[04:50] <scoon> lemsx1: xorg makes them work a bit better but i will stick with stable ubuntu for a bit.
[04:50] <GFXstyLER> i know blender already ;) so if you want i try to make some artwork
[04:50] <lemsx1> scoon, k, good choice
[04:51] <scoon> lemsx1: thanks for your time
[04:51] <amiroff> Hello dear Ubuntu users, I installed Ubuntu 2 days ago and I'll have some questions here
[04:51] <amiroff> my main problem with ubuntu is localization
[04:52] <amiroff> how do I enable Azeri locale? anyone has any advices?
[04:52] <deFrysk> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[04:52] <deFrysk> and see if its there
[04:52] <deFrysk> on to my kitchen ;p
[04:53] <amiroff> deFrysk: it doesn't seem so
[04:54] <GFXstyLER> ok i have my old problem with the notebook again ..
[04:54] <GFXstyLER> it hangs at boot: grub loading ,please wait ...
[04:54] <lemsx1> amiroff, if you know the letters for your locale, you can manually edit /etc/locale.gen and re-run localegen
[04:55] <lemsx1> amiroff, read /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED
[04:55] <arun--> what is this rpl8 in /usr/sbin dir, is it not realplayer 8?
[04:55] <amiroff> I run for example LANG=az nautilus, and it throws different errors in terminal saying that locale is not supported by C
[04:55] <kent> GFXstyLER, A friend of mine had that problem aswell. he could install it, but never got passed that bit. I dont know whats causing it.
[04:55] <amiroff> lemsx1: ok, thanks
[04:55] <GFXstyLER> is there some workaround for this? maybe a special way to boot or something like that
[04:55] <kent> amiroff, perhaps there is no translation for your language?
[04:55] <scoon> lemsx1: so the funny problem that i have is that if i log out and log back in, the keys need to be remapped
[04:56] <amiroff> kent, I am the GNome translator and translations are 100% complete :)
[04:56] <scoon> lemsx1: a pain, but i will just remap them each time.
[04:56] <Xenguy> GFXstyLER: I had a problem with GRUB (just took me to a GRUB 'prompt'); I re-installed, using 'expert' install, and used LILO instead -- that worked for me, but doesn't sound like exactly the same problem you're having
[04:56] <lemsx1> scoon, but a startup script works fine?
[04:56] <kent> GFXstyLER, if you could try another distribution (or another kernel) and see if it works, then you could file a bug in Ubuntu..
[04:56] <GFXstyLER> i can use any other distribution
[04:56] <lemsx1> amiroff, in that case you don't need the locales
[04:56] <GFXstyLER> but they always use lilo
[04:57] <GFXstyLER> i try that, thanks :D
[04:57] <scoon> lemsx1: the thing is, if i startup before metacity, gnome will not boot.  so when metacity starts, the keys are not mapped yet.
[04:57] <lemsx1> amiroff, all you need is to set your LANG and LANGUAGE environmental variables (gnome and gtk apps care about that variable only)
[04:57] <scoon> lemsx1: it is all timing.  and a pain in the but
[04:57] <kent> GFXstyLER, then there is a problem with Ubuntu and you should file a bugreport.  I should have done it when my friends laptop refused to work, but i did not have the time.
[04:57] <GFXstyLER> ok ill do that
[04:57] <lemsx1> scoon, ahh, i get it
[04:58] <amiroff> lemsx1: when I do that, it throws error saying that specified locale is not supported by C library :)
[04:58] <scoon> lemsx1: annoying, huh.
[04:58] <lemsx1> amiroff, but the gtk apps show translated ?
[04:59] <amiroff> lemsx1: no, they just show up in English
[04:59] <amiroff> when I try the same on say fedora or mandrake they show up in Azerbaijani
[04:59] <amiroff> but somehow on Debian, Mepis and Ubuntu I cannot get it to work
[05:00] <lemsx1> amiroff, you are definitely doing something wrong... you should be able to, from a terminal, do: LANG=xx gcalctool
[05:00] <lemsx1> and that should show in whatever language you choose in xx
[05:00] <amiroff> lemsx1: just try it yourself, we have the same Ubuntu right?
[05:00] <amiroff> lemsx1: say LANG=az gedit and see what happens
[05:00] <lemsx1> amiroff, oops, sorry, i ment LANGUAGE=xx
[05:01] <lemsx1> amiroff, it doesn't matter what you use, this is from gtk2 library which all distributions use
[05:01] <lemsx1> amiroff, LANGUAGE=az gedit
[05:02] <amiroff> lemsx1: the result is same here, actually LANGUAGE is used by more recent apps, can you try it too please?
[05:02] <amiroff> if it shows ok there, I do something wrong :(
[05:02] <lemsx1> amiroff, i just did  LANGUAGE=ja gedit and everything was in japanese
[05:02] <amiroff> LOL :))))
[05:02] <amiroff> this means japanese locales are installed ?
[05:03] <lemsx1> amiroff, i do this all the time. i'm project manager for Polidori, a DVD authoring app for Gnome that's work in progress
[05:03] <amiroff> can you try LANGUAGE=az for me?
[05:03] <lemsx1> amiroff, i don't have az locales here (i use localepurge which purges all locale files that are not in /etc/locale.gen)
[05:03] <lemsx1> amiroff, to save space in my computer :-)
[05:03] <amiroff> lemsx1: cheater :))
[05:04] <lemsx1> amiroff,  ;-)
[05:04] <amiroff> lemsx1: are you in Gnome right now?
[05:04] <lemsx1> amiroff, i can only remember a subset of all the world's knowledge... i have to skim the rest out of my life
[05:05] <amiroff> lemsx1: sure :)
[05:05] <lemsx1> amiroff, always
[05:05] <amiroff> lemsx1: so could you try adding "az" keyboard layout in addition to "en" and see if it gives error
[05:05] <lemsx1> amiroff, env var LANGUAGE is old stuff it works for very old code (even Perl :-) )
[05:05] <amiroff> I installed Ubuntu on 3 systems and all they give error about X server
[05:05] <LinuxJones> lemsx1, what's the name of the dvd authoring app...what't the website ?
[05:05] <otakgod> >_< someone can help me? I get ubuntu this weekend and I want to install xvid codecs and a p2p like emule.. but everything I do , ubuntu say an error, and in synaptic  aren't nothing... can someone help me please?
[05:06] <lemsx1> amiroff, that's the xlib giving you errors... xlib is tricky when it doesn't understand your locales
[05:06] <lemsx1> LinuxJones, http://polidori.sf.net Polidori. i'm working on that as we speak ;-) adding some new stuff
[05:07] <lemsx1> for all you to know, there is a new vulnerability in the linux kernel for all kernels older than 2.6.9
[05:07] <amiroff> lemsx1: is there any i18n channel I can visit and ask more people?
[05:07] <lemsx1> root exploit is possible for all local users :-) serious stuff
[05:08] <Buzzz> is there a new "official" ubuntu kernel?
[05:08] <lemsx1> amiroff, i'm not sure... i don't know much about i18n translations.. i'm just a C/C++ programmer who have to deal with this every now and then
[05:08] <supos> Any of you guys got abiword installed? I'm getting a _very_ strange bug, and it would be cool to find out if it's just me experiencing this...
[05:09] <lemsx1> Buzzz, not sure. i always compile the latest from kernel.org
[05:09] <amiroff> lemsx1: it's ok, thanks you very much for your help
[05:09] <Buzzz> lemsx1, ok we have to wait and see then.
[05:10] <lemsx1> amiroff, no problem
[05:10] <otakgod> ^^' gracias por la ayuda gente ^^'
[05:10] <lemsx1> Buzzz, waiting is not good if you have a multi-user system... you have to get the patch and patch your own ubuntu kernel sources... it should be simple
[05:11] <thoreauputic> supos: I have abiword, but probably an earlier version than yours
[05:11] <amu> lemsx1: what i must do, in order to use this new expolit ?
[05:11] <lemsx1> Buzzz, http://securitytracker.com/alerts/2004/Nov/1012165.html
[05:11] <lemsx1> amu, :-D you are good uh
[05:11] <thoreauputic> supos: what do you want to reproduce/check?
[05:12] <lemsx1> amu, don't worry i'm updating all my servers as we speak :-) i won't give you chance to try it
[05:12] <lemsx1> amu, lol
[05:12] <amu> lemsx1: ? you say there's a new exploit in the kernel ? did you checked the ubuntu kernel ? how did you checked it ? a normal question ??
[05:12] <lemsx1> amu, j/k
[05:12] <otakgod> ^^' well ja ne people... thanks for your attendece
[05:13] <lemsx1> amu, i didn't check the ubuntu kernel. i just know this is new (november 10) and it's possible it applies to all of you (not me, i have 2.6.9 for days already)
[05:13] <supos> thoreauputic: I open a new abiword, type any number of letters greater that 1, the press space. That makes abiword open a new instance of abiword...
[05:13] <lemsx1> amu, read: http://securitytracker.com/alerts/2004/Nov/1012165.html
[05:13] <dstate> you'd think when someone says "ja ne" the rest of their line would be in japanese too
[05:14] <wasabi> Where is XKBstr.h in Xorg?
[05:14] <thoreauputic> supos: bizarre
[05:14] <lemsx1> wasabi, find / XKBstr.h -print :-)
[05:15] <supos> thoreauputic: And that new instance produces the same behaviour. The first time it happened I ended up with four abiwords because I typed four words before I found out what was heppening
[05:15] <supos> thoreauputic: Very, and pretty much a show-stopper
[05:15] <jcspray> supos: my default ubuntu abiword doesn't do that.
[05:15] <thoreauputic> supos: oops
[05:15] <wasabi> well for some reason a gtk+ compile isn't finding it
[05:15] <supos> jcspray: is it up to date?
[05:15] <wasabi> and it's not breaking on ./configure
[05:15] <lemsx1> you need -dev packages?
[05:15] <wasabi> got em.
[05:16] <Lathiat> Anyone here use tla/arch mirrored to a http repo?
[05:16] <Lathiat> (non webdav)
[05:16] <jcspray> supos: 2.0.7+cvs.2004.05.05-1ubuntu3
[05:17] <supos> jcspray: same as mine
[05:17] <supos> I'll try to purge then reinstall it
[05:17] <supos> see if it reproduces
[05:18] <GFXstyLER> expert mode install sure takes some time :D
[05:20] <supos> reinstalling didn't help :(
[05:21] <supos> Any ideas what might be wrong? Things to look for?
[05:21] <jcspray> it doesn't do it if you type a space first?
[05:22] <supos> jcspray: nope
[05:22] <GFXstyLER> HAHAHAHAA booting process of ubuntu works ;)
[05:23] <jcspray> um, yes, HAHAHAHAA.
[05:23] <amu> lemsx1: that is not sufficient, the developers are even in security teams, and know long before a nose become public. compare it with the debian kernel :)
[05:24] <jcspray> supos: that's deeply fucked up, I'd file a bug as major
[05:25] <arun--> which software can play mpeg?
[05:25] <daniels> wasabi: libxkbfile-dev, or xc/include/extensions
[05:25] <GFXstyLER> totem ?
[05:25] <ferry_> supos: the same behaviour in abiword here, i did a fresh install yesterday
[05:25] <arun--> totem just crashed on me
[05:25] <daniels> wasabi: you need to change the build-deps from xlibs-static-dev to libxkbfile-dev
[05:25] <GFXstyLER> i installed a few gstream additions and now it works
[05:26] <GFXstyLER> or use xmms with mpeg plugin
[05:26] <supos> ferry_: I installed this one yesterday too
[05:28] <ferry_> presing just spacebar in a new instance is enough to open another abiword here
[05:29] <supos> What exactly is the universe repository? the buggy one is "abiword-gnome" from "main", whereas "abiword" from universe work fine
[05:30] <Lathiat> supos: universe is packages built from debian main
[05:31] <supos> Lathiat: I thought it _was_ debian (testing) main, but it's only built from it?
[05:31] <Lathiat> it more or less is
[05:31] <Lathiat> but theyre rebuilt
[05:31] <Lathiat> not copied
[05:31] <supos> the one that has the bug is pool/main/a/abiword/abiword-gnome_2.0.7+cvs.2004.05.05-1ubuntu3_i386.deb
[05:31] <supos> pool/universe/a/abiword/abiword_2.0.7+cvs.2004.05.05-1ubuntu3_i386.deb is fine
[05:31] <Lathiat> so you can file a bug in bugzilla then
[05:32] <supos> Lathiat: Will do that
[05:32] <supos> Lathiat: I thought they were just copied
[05:32] <Lathiat> nope
[05:32] <xf_> Lathiat: yo, hi
[05:32] <Lathiat> xf_: hey :)
[05:33] <xf_> that laptop died
[05:33] <Lathiat> what laptops that?
[05:33] <xf_> i ended up spilling coffee into it or something, i forget :p
[05:33] <Lathiat> oh
[05:33] <Lathiat> that one
[05:33] <Lathiat> haha
[05:33] <xf_> the goat, the one you used @ lca
[05:33] <Lathiat> you suck :P
[05:33] <Lathiat> man
[05:33] <Lathiat> im on a p266 now
[05:33] <Lathiat> 192mbram
[05:33] <xf_> not working with that company anymore
[05:33] <xf_> man, surely
[05:33] <Lathiat> getting a nice new one for christmas tho :)
[05:33] <xf_> what do you do?
[05:33] <Lathiat> im finishing high school :)
[05:33] <xf_> somebody with your skills surely can get some contract work @ an isp or something
[05:33] <Lathiat> two more exams to go
[05:33] <xf_> ah
[05:33] <xf_> fun, heh
[05:33] <Lathiat> xf_: i hope to in a couple weks
[05:33] <Lathiat> my auntys buying me a nice new one tho :)
[05:34] <xf_> ah, nice
[05:34] <xf_> wish i had an aunty that did that :-p
[05:34] <Lathiat> 1.6GHz Pentium-M, 512mb ram, bluetooth, intel wireless, 14.1" screen, light, 5-6 hours battery, dvd burner, etc :P
[05:34] <Lathiat> xf_: heh dont we all
[05:34] <xf_> closest thing was when i was like 12 my aunty had bigpond
[05:34] <xf_> i was on it all night one time at her house
[05:34] <Lathiat> haha
[05:34] <xf_> didn't realise it was $8/hour or something
[05:34] <xf_> ;-(
[05:34] <Lathiat> lol
[05:34] <GFXstyLER> does anyone know how to use logitech eyetoy cam with linux? (works under win xp)
[05:34] <Lathiat> well im living with my aunty
[05:34] <xf_> ah, i see
[05:34] <Lathiat> basically my reward for not working this year and conetrating on school and finishing
[05:35] <Lathiat> if i had been working
[05:35] <xf_> what you doing after school?
[05:35] <Lathiat> i would probably have one by now :)
[05:35] <Lathiat> uni, hopefully
[05:35] <xf_> ah, what course?
[05:35] <Lathiat> BCM
[05:35] <xf_> BCM?
[05:35] <Lathiat> (computer science & mathematics)
[05:35] <xf_> ah
[05:35] <xf_> cool, something specialised
[05:35] <Lathiat> failing that just computer science
[05:35] <xf_> loads of people doing general it courses
[05:35] <Lathiat> and 3 different unis :)
[05:35] <xf_> seems pointless, they can't get jobs
[05:35] <Lathiat> i want the maths cus im interested in it if nothing else
[05:35] <Lathiat> i was doing 2nd/3rd year maths a couple weeks ago in my own time
[05:35] <xf_> do it, it'll mean more opportunities
[05:36] <Lathiat> learning how various crypto algorithms work :)
[05:36] <Lathiat> and implementing them
[05:36] <xf_> yeah, did the same thing when i was at school
[05:36] <xf_> interesting stuff
[05:36] <Lathiat> indeed
[05:36] <Lathiat> msh: woo my arch repo works now :)
[05:36] <Lathiat> gah wrong channel
[05:37] <Lathiat> xf_: whatcha been up to?
[05:37] <xf_> working
[05:37] <xf_> so much bloody work at the moment
[05:37] <xf_> which would be good if i could find decent employees
[05:38] <xf_> stuck doing everything myself though atm
[05:38] <lemsx1> amu, this is the patch: http://lwn.net/Articles/110898/
[05:38] <littlegreenman> guys: i've installed ubuntu in english. Can I change the language now after the install?
[05:39] <littlegreenman> if yes, how do i do that?
[05:39] <xf_> it'll be amusing in an ironic way if you get this laptop and it's got all these windows-only supported components :-p
[05:39] <xf_> some bizarre undocumented non-vesa compliant video card, for example
[05:40] <Lathiat> haha
[05:40] <Lathiat> alread checked into that
[05:40] <Lathiat> even the modem works :)
[05:40] <xf_> heh
[05:40] <Lathiat> only clone on the vga out tho :(
[05:40] <xf_> damn
[05:40] <amu> lemsx1: that's pseudo security knowlegg
[05:40] <xf_> what brand?
[05:40] <Lathiat> dell (inspiron 510m)
[05:40] <xf_> & how much you paying, may i ask?
[05:40] <xf_> i can get toshibas cheap
[05:40] <xf_> ah, a dell
[05:40] <Lathiat> $2200 at the specs i want
[05:40] <xf_> i don't like dell's :)
[05:40] <Lathiat> heh
[05:40] <xf_> what specs?
[05:41] <gen> ibm is where its at
[05:41] <lemsx1> amu, why pseudo?
[05:41] <xf_> yeah, but ibm have nice price tags
[05:41] <gen> this is true
[05:41] <xf_> nice, as in, high :-)
[05:41] <xf_> you get what you pay for, i guess
[05:41] <gen> yes, i know
[05:41] <Lathiat> 1.6GHz Pentium-M (725, 400Mhz, 512k), 512MB RAM, DVD+/-RW, extra capacity primary battery, modular battery, bluetooth, intel 2100 wireless, 60GB HDD
[05:41] <xf_> i like toshiba for x86, cheap, sturdy, tends to work well in oss os's
[05:42] <xf_> hmm. shoot me an email, i'm positive i can get a toshiba that's the same/better than that for less
[05:42] <Lathiat> less would be good
[05:42] <Lathiat> what im really looking for is
[05:42] <Lathiat> <15", good battery life and bluetooth
[05:42] <Lathiat> if you can find that for less than 2200 id be interested
[05:42] <xf_> yeah, easy
[05:42] <Lathiat> (internal, bluetooth)
[05:42] <gen> i'd go the powernotebooks.com route for a 15
[05:43] <gen> (only if you live in us, though)
[05:44] <nico|m> i just upgraded debian sid to ubuntu hoary. works great after some package troube :-)  but now i need some help with grub, can anyone send me the "original" ubuntu /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[05:45] <farruinn> I'm trying to burn my iso with cdrecord but am having some problems:
[05:45] <cyrus-tc> any of the documentation guys here?
[05:45] <littlegreenman> can u see me?
[05:46] <farruinn> cdrecord -scanbus reports the cd-rw at 1,1,0 but when I run cdrecord speed=4 dev=1,1,0 warty-release-install-powerpc.iso it gives me errors
[05:46] <gen> nico|m, get my file send accept?
[05:46] <nico|m> gen: i think my firewall won't let me accept dcc...
[05:46] <gen> have aim?
[05:47] <gen> nico|m, have aim?
[05:47] <farruinn> the error is Cannot open SCSI driver...
[05:47] <nico|m> gen: yes. NicoKaiser
[05:47] <cyrus-tc> ok, i ve written a wiki howto tonight - but two days ago somebody posted a tutorial with the same subject
[05:47] <supos> ferry_: This is very strange, now I can no longer reproduce it
[05:48] <cyrus-tc> littlegreenman: ok, i ve written a wiki howto tonight - but two days ago somebody posted a tutorial with the same subject
[05:48] <cyrus-tc> :/
[05:48] <littlegreenman> cyrus-tc: location or name?
[05:52] <Xenguy> Hi - I'm trying to improve the screen resolution (it is currently defaulted to 61Hz - blechh), so I've edited /etc/X11/XFConfig-4 and increased the values for Horizontal and Vertical refresh rate (I tried to adjust the 'Screen Resolution' via the GNOME GUI tool, but it had only 1 value -- 61 -- and would not allow me to change anything).  Is the approach I'm taking correct?
[05:52] <littlegreenman> hi guys... can u read me?
[05:53] <littlegreenman> i've installed ubuntu in english
[05:53] <Xenguy> littlegreenman: yes
[05:53] <littlegreenman> wanted to switch to portuguese...
[05:53] <littlegreenman> can i do that now?
[05:53] <diogo> so i seen what needs to be translated or not....
[05:54] <ironwolf> Is there such a beast as a Hoary install CD?
[05:54] <ironwolf> Xenguy: most of us sleep sometime. :)
[05:54] <Xenguy> I guess people have to sleep sometime ;-)
[05:54] <Xenguy> ironwolf: heh, yep
[05:55] <Xenguy> OK, I'll try again later
[05:55] <supos> Xenguy: one sec
[05:57] <zenwhen_> Caan other DE's be added to the gdm in Ubuntu?
[05:57] <mirak> hi
[05:57] <zenwhen_> Like fluxbox?
[05:57] <supos> hullo mirak
[05:57] <mirak> when trying to run soud juicer, it says that a module necessary to playing CD isn't available
[05:58] <seb128> weird, sound juicer is not a cd player
[05:58] <mirak> it's a ripper though
[05:58] <seb128> yes, but it doesn't play any CD
[05:58] <seb128> so the message is weird
[05:58] <mirak> seb128: and your crap menu doesn't show me grip
[05:58] <mirak> :)
[05:58] <seb128> grip ? that old gtk1.2 stuff ?
[05:59] <seb128> :)
[06:00] <kent> It could be that sound juicer uses gstreamer (or another library) and one of them is missing. Should not be, since it is installed by default.
[06:08] <mirak> what is gstreamer ?
[06:08] <mirak> kent: I don't have gstreamer
[06:08] <Lathiat> you will
[06:09] <lemsx1> seb128, grip is gtk2 app now
[06:09] <seb128> lemsx1: oh ok, I've not used it for a while
[06:09] <lemsx1> seb128, uhh, ok... i use it all the time
[06:10] <lemsx1> mirak, gstreamer is a multimedia library for linux (especially gnome)
[06:10] <lemsx1> mirak, it's work-in-progress (buggy) but promises a ton of things
[06:11] <jcspray> mirka: what's the exact error you get from sound juicer?
[06:11] <jcspray> *mirak
[06:12] <mirak> gstreamerImpossible de dmarrer Sound Juicer
[06:12] <mirak> Raison: Le module ncessaire  l'accs au CD n'a pas t trouv.
[06:12] <mirak> Veuillez consulter la documentation pour plus d'aide.
[06:12] <mirak> jcspray: that's exact error
[06:12] <mirak> without gstreamer at the begging
[06:12] <mirak> begining
[06:12] <lemsx1> mirak, do you have /dev/cdrom ?
[06:13] <lemsx1> mirak, also, install all gstreamer-plugins
[06:13] <lemsx1> mirak, they don't take much space
[06:13] <mirak> I am doing that
[06:14] <mirak> I /dev/cdrom yes
[06:14] <mirak> I can acces cd
[06:14] <timaaah> apt-get the best package management system for debian ?
[06:15] <tseng> timaaah: you might say it is "most popular"
[06:16] <timaaah> tseng, mmkay
[06:16] <tseng> "best" isnt a fair comparison
[06:16] <joha> Hi all
[06:16] <joha> How do you properly set up /dev/parport0 under Ubuntu?
[06:16] <HaRDaWaY> hi
[06:26] <Gwildor> ogra, you around?
[06:26] <Gwildor> can anyone help with a XORG question
[06:28] <kent> Gwildor, well.. Ubuntu does not use XORG, does it?
[06:29] <Agrajag> hoary does.
[06:29] <Agrajag> so yes, it does.
[06:30] <daniels> we could probably help better if you asked ...
[06:31] <DeiniolJ> hi, I have a question
[06:32] <Agrajag> don't be silly, this is a linux help room, nobody ever asks questions, they just ask if they can ask questions, then that's answered by some smart-aleck remark so they give up on their original question.
[06:32] <Agrajag> geez, don't you people know how these things work
[06:32] <DeiniolJ> I've just installed Ubuntu but I don't know how to connect to the internet.
[06:33] <DeiniolJ> (i'm using someone else's computer at the moment)
[06:33] <Agrajag> well, what do you normally use? dialup? DSL? cable?
[06:33] <DeiniolJ> DSL. but I don't have the correct driver so need to use dialup.
[06:33] <Agrajag> huh?
[06:34] <Agrajag> what network card is it?
[06:34] <DeiniolJ> dunno, the one that came with the laptop. that's fine- I just don't know where to input the connection details so I can log on to my ISP.
[06:35] <DeiniolJ> something like window's "internet connection wizard" or similar- I'm a complete newb when it comes to linux- this is my first time.
[06:35] <Agrajag> well, you're probably out of luck on that, most internal modems are a huge painin the ass to set up.
[06:36] <Agrajag> I think wvdial comes installed by default; there's a guide on tldp.org on setting up a dialup connection with wvdial.
[06:36] <DeiniolJ> ooh, cool, cheers.
[06:36] <Agrajag> You're better off finding out what network cars you have and finding out if you can make it work
[06:36] <Agrajag> s/cars/card/
[06:37] <DeiniolJ> is it "AC'97 Modem Controller?"
[06:38] <Agrajag> no, that's your modem
[06:38] <Majestc|Linux> Ubuntu needs to be open to other window manager, I noticed a lot of folks telling me they are kde fan so thats why they dont use ubuntu, or they wanna use diff. window manager at different given time, is ubuntu gonna be only gnome?
[06:38] <Agrajag> Majestc|Linux: you can install kde if you want
[06:38] <clee> yeah, but it's not in SupportedSeed.
[06:38] <Agrajag> so
[06:39] <Agrajag> the point of this distro is simplicity
[06:39] <supos> he went quick :)
[06:39] <Agrajag> once they get a good gui installer, someone with no previous linux knowledge should be able to install it without haveing to askfor help
[06:40] <Agrajag> if it asks "do you want KDE or GNOME?" anyone with no experience is going to have to goasksomeone else
[06:40] <GFXstyLER> hi guys
[06:40] <GFXstyLER> i have a very serious problem
[06:41] <GFXstyLER> just installed ubuntu, configured, everything, took me a long tim
[06:41] <GFXstyLER> but now it seems that i crashed the xserver
[06:41] <GFXstyLER> what should i do know?
[06:41] <wasabi> how did you crash it?
[06:41] <GFXstyLER> i installed the ati fglrx drivers
[06:41] <wasabi> heh
[06:42] <Gwildor> GFXstyLER, same thing happened to me......3 times
[06:42] <GFXstyLER> because of 3d support
[06:42] <GFXstyLER> do i have to install ubuntu again?
[06:42] <Gwildor> GFXstyLER, i always did
[06:42] <GFXstyLER> damn :D
[06:42] <Gwildor> lol
[06:42] <wasabi> GFXstyLER, just unstall the drivers
[06:43] <GFXstyLER> how do i do that?
[06:43] <wasabi> get to the console.
[06:43] <Agrajag> he can't easily do that if it crashes as soon as X loads
[06:43] <wasabi> uh. linux requires X?
[06:43] <wasabi> fooled me
[06:43] <Agrajag> when it boots, get to the grub menu
[06:43] <Agrajag> wasabi: it boots to X, by default.
[06:43] <GFXstyLER> i dont have grub
[06:43] <Agrajag> which causes the crash
[06:43] <Agrajag> lilo then
[06:43] <GFXstyLER> but iam in console know
[06:43] <Agrajag> oh, it doesn't crash whenever it starts?
[06:44] <GFXstyLER> nope, only when i type "startx" then it crashes
[06:44] <wasabi> I've never used hte flgwhatever drivers, so I dont know how to remove them. But I imagine it's just a reverse of what you did to install them
[06:44] <wasabi> GFXstyLER, when it crashes, what happens?
[06:44] <wasabi> system lock up?
[06:44] <wasabi> or X crashes?
[06:44] <GFXstyLER> no it throws me back to the console
[06:44] <wasabi> take a look at the log file for X.
[06:44] <wasabi> /var/log/XFree.0.log
[06:45] <wasabi> /var/log/XFree86.0.log I mean
[06:45] <Muhahahahha> hi
[06:45] <Muhahahahha> I know this is not the right place, but in #kde no body said anything... Do you know how to recompile only kwin and not all kdebase?
[06:47] <GFXstyLER> first error is drmOpenDevice: Open failed
[06:47] <GFXstyLER> then DRI initialization failed
[06:47] <GFXstyLER> then No Core Pointer
[06:47] <wasabi> buh. I know nothing about ATI's drivers. Anyways, to change back to the normal drives, edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, look for the Driver line for your device, and change it to ati
[06:47] <GFXstyLER> and then Fatal server error: failed to initializize core devices
[06:48] <GFXstyLER> ok
[06:48] <wasabi> sounds to me like it's not crashing, it's just set up wrong.
[06:48] <GFXstyLER> hmm....does anybody know how to get out of vim ;) ?
[06:49] <wasabi> ESC
[06:49] <wasabi> :q
[06:49] <GFXstyLER> nope
[06:49] <wasabi> yup.
[06:51] <counterfeitliver> Is there anything special I have to do durring the install to get a GUI-less server install of ubuntu
[06:54] <GFXstyLER> how do i delete files per console? del?
[06:54] <GFXstyLER> oh found it
[06:54] <GFXstyLER> rm
[06:54] <zenwhen> rm
[06:54] <zenwhen> o
[06:54] <GFXstyLER> :D
[06:58] <wasabi> get it workin?
[06:59] <GFXstyLER> nope
[07:00] <GFXstyLER> damn i dont want to install ubuntu again :D too lazy
[07:00] <dcm_> Can you install local packages?
[07:01] <GFXstyLER> me?
[07:01] <dcm_> Like from apt-get
[07:01] <dcm_> Anyone I guess ._.
[07:01] <GFXstyLER> yes
[07:02] <dcm_> Is it just 'apt-get install <package dir>'?
[07:02] <GFXstyLER> sudo apt-get install <package>
[07:02] <jimerich> How do I turn on Samba
[07:03] <jdz`> Well you can just use dpkg to install local packages
[07:03] <jdz`> sudo apt-get install smbclient (for the client) or samba (for the server)
[07:03] <jimerich> tnx
[07:04] <GFXstyLER> how do i save files in vim?
[07:05] <dcm_> It can't find the package
[07:05] <marcus|> GFXstyLER: :w
[07:05] <GFXstyLER> thx
[07:05] <marcus|> GFXstyLER: :wq to save and exit
[07:05] <|progenic|> i have this message E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:05] <|progenic|> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:05] <|progenic|> how can i fix this ?
[07:05] <kent_> GFXstyLER,  for newbies usually nano is a better editor.  But what do i know, you might like vim :)
[07:06] <GFXstyLER> no i just didnt know of any other editor :D
[07:06] <kent_> |progenic|, another program that use dpkg is running, or your not running with sudo.
[07:06] <jimerich> When trying to set my windows workgroup I get "You don't have SMB support installed"
[07:06] <jimerich> what am I missing?
[07:07] <kent_> GFXstyLER, nano is more intuative (or what ever its called) its more userfriendly, for a terminal texteditor.
[07:07] <|progenic|> actually i'm running apt-get install then i cancel it using ctrl-c, so how to fix this ?
[07:07] <|progenic|> ctrl-z
[07:07] <GFXstyLER> ok im rebooting ubuntu, if this doesnt work then i guess i have to reinstall it again
[07:08] <GFXstyLER> man this is gonna be a long night :D
[07:08] <kent_> |progenic|, run "ps aux" and later "kill -9 PID" where pid is the process-number. Or run program->system tools> and then click on the program that can list programs thats running (not sure of its name)
[07:09] <kent_> |progenic|,   running "fg" will bring the program back, and running ctrl-c then  will terminate it.  I think that might be easier if you dont understand how to kill the process
[07:09] <|progenic|> i've killed it
[07:09] <|progenic|> thx
[07:09] <|progenic|> :)
[07:10] <|progenic|> i only forget the way to kill it :P
[07:10] <|progenic|> hahaha
[07:10] <|progenic|> i've done this before in unix but forget how to do it
[07:10] <kent_> ctrl+z might be a problem, its easy to miss that you only put it in the background..
[07:11] <GFXstyLER> a question: if a boot manager is already installed in the mbr, do i have to install it again if reinstalling ubuntu?
[07:11] <GFXstyLER> because lilo is installed right now for the current ubuntu and i dont want to go through this loooooong expert installation again ;)
[07:11] <kent_> GFXstyLER, what bootmanager do you have there now?    (Dont know if you can make Ubuntu not install a new bootmanager, could be possibile)
[07:12] <GFXstyLER> lilo (yes you can tell him to not install a boot manager i guess)
[07:12] <GFXstyLER> grub wont work on the notebook
[07:12] <kent_> GFXstyLER, perhaps you could not install a bootmanager, and later add the new Ubuntu installation to the old lilo-configuration.
[07:12] <kent_> That should work.
[07:12] <GFXstyLER> ok ill try it
[07:13] <GFXstyLER> thx :)
[07:13] <sAlTaIr> gnoppix == ubuntu livecd ???
[07:17] <supos> Lathiat: which priority do you think I should put for the abiword bug?
[07:17] <Chibi> Who'da thunk it.
[07:18] <Chibi> 13 hour kernel compile FAILURE :D
[07:18] <JDahl> sAlTaIr, gnoppix != ubuntu livecd
[07:20] <sAlTaIr> GNOPPIX 0.8.2 Warty RC2 == ubuntu warty livecd
[07:21] <JDahl> sAlTaIr, I was thinking of knoppix, sorry
[07:22] <Chibi> What does our live cd run on again?
[07:22] <sAlTaIr> ^_^
[07:22] <sAlTaIr> www.gnoppix.org
[07:22] <Chibi> I thought we /didn't/ use knoppix.
[07:23] <sAlTaIr> knoppix is better than gnoppix
[07:23] <amu> Chibi: morphix a knoppix like
[07:23] <Chibi> They're all the same core. :P
[07:23] <sAlTaIr> :)
[07:24] <amu> Chibi: nope, some of them are different, from the technical view
[07:24] <GFXstyLER> hmm... but what do i need a notebook for if i dont have 3d acceleration ? ;)  (as 3d programmer)
[07:24] <sAlTaIr> I try best 2 booting from my usb hd
[07:24] <amu> sAlTaIr: ?
[07:24] <Chibi> Anyway, I need to find a remote host for my kernel. x_X.. I don't know how to hook two computers together with a single ethernet cable.
[07:25] <Chibi> I'm not compiling ANOTHER kernel on that peice of junk. :P
[07:25] <sAlTaIr> I try to boot from my usb harddisk
[07:25] <sAlTaIr> custom initrd.img
[07:26] <amu> sAlTaIr: and ? i does't work ? it works ? what you're telling us :)
[07:26] <sAlTaIr> now can boot from IBM T30 notebook
[07:26] <sAlTaIr> but false in Dell D600
[07:27] <JDahl> sAlTaIr, I could never get that working (booting from a USB harddrive), but I didnt make a custom initrd.img
[07:27] <Chibi> Blah. :P I'm working ubuntu on an LTE 5300
[07:28] <|progenic|> I'm running ubuntu on Fujitsu laptop and can run USB 2.0 harddisk which is connected from PCMCIA card
[07:28] <GFXstyLER> running ubuntu on fujitsu amilo d 1840
[07:29] <JDahl> my usb hardrive works fine with IBM t40p, just cant boot from the USB hd
[07:29] <amu> sAlTaIr: means your liveCD works on a t30 but not on your delld600 ?
[07:29] <GFXstyLER> but without 3d acceleration, without wlan and lilo instead grub
[07:30] <GFXstyLER> WTF IS THAT?
[07:30] <GFXstyLER> grub is working ?!
[07:30] <sAlTaIr> my custom ubuntu usb hd can boot & working better in my IBM T30 but dell d600
[07:30] <sAlTaIr> grub both working
[07:30] <PenguinBoy> hey guys!
[07:31] <JDahl> sAlTaIr, what extra modules did you load using your custom initrd, compared to the stock one? I think it's a problem SATA in my case, some modules are not loaded rendering / access broken
[07:31] <amu> sAlTaIr: oh what did you changed ?
[07:32] <sAlTaIr>  at  /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf
[07:32] <sAlTaIr> delay=5
[07:32] <sAlTaIr>  at  /etc/mkinitrd/modules
[07:34] <xukun> hi
[07:34] <GFXstyLER> hi
[07:34] <amu> sAlTaIr: hmm thats all ?
[07:34] <sAlTaIr> usbcore usb...
[07:34] <sAlTaIr> and some change in linuxrc
[07:34] <JDahl> c'mon c'mon tell us!
[07:34] <xukun> bob2: adding apm in modules worked for me. thanks
[07:34] <amu> sAlTaIr: you speak about the liveCD ?
[07:35] <sAlTaIr> no
[07:35] <sAlTaIr> i use morph-install install livecd to my usb hd
[07:35] <amu> sAlTaIr: *evil* ;)
[07:36] <sAlTaIr> but I think can use poor man install 2 copy livecd'all to hd
[07:36] <sAlTaIr> than use grub 2 boot
[07:36] <neill> hi folks.
[07:36] <JDahl> sAlTaIr, I remember playing with along time ago, but I dont remember the details... you can mount the stock initrd.img, and make the changes to it directly, right?
[07:37] <sAlTaIr> I use livecd first and then chroot to my usb hd to change initrd.img
[07:37] <amu> JDahl: correct, the initrd from the liveCD is ext2, while installed version it is cramfs, you need a new initrd in the installed version
[07:38] <neill> I'm trying to attempt to install directly to a disk Image rather than using the installer. Is there some equivalent of debootstrap in ubuntu?
[07:39] <amu> sAlTaIr: please could send me a summary of your changes ?
[07:39] <sAlTaIr> because usb need some time to initialize, 3 seconds
[07:39] <amu> neill: debootstrap :)
[07:39] <sAlTaIr> so need initrd.img
[07:39] <neill> amu: I'll give it a go....
[07:40] <amu> sAlTaIr: oh, please could you send me a mail about it
[07:40] <JDahl> amu, I can boot linux from a small hd partition, but I want to move everything to my usb hd... To clarify it, I just mount initrd (on the usb harddrive) and make changes there?
[07:40] <sAlTaIr> amu, sorry, i lost my usb hd in my workroom, u may leave ur mail and I send 2 u tomorrow
[07:40] <sAlTaIr> ok?
[07:41] <amu> JDahl: as i said, the filesys of the installed version is cramfs ...
[07:41] <sAlTaIr> sorry 4 my poor english ;p
[07:41] <amu> sAlTaIr: big thanks
[07:42] <amu> JDahl: cramfs is read-only, you cannot change it, you must create a new one
[07:43] <sAlTaIr> the article may help all of u , <Boot Linux from a FireWire device> http://www-900.ibm.com/developerworks/cn/linux/l-fireboot_eng.shtml
[07:43] <StolenShoeBox> hey. I was wonder how to install firefox 1.0 on ubuntu?
[07:43] <StolenShoeBox> wondering*
[07:43] <dcm> Yeh me too
[07:43] <sAlTaIr> ok I must take a rest now, bye all
[07:43] <mirak> not me
[07:44] <mirak> I have a real problem with cd
[07:44] <mirak> audio
[07:44] <mirak> I mean playing them I hear no sound
[07:44] <StolenShoeBox> hah ya i cant play cds either =P
[07:44] <StolenShoeBox> mirak: me 2 =(
[07:44] <mirak> and even when I rip them, I rip blank wav files !
[07:44] <StolenShoeBox> mirak: just rip the cd and listen 2 it on your computer =)
[07:45] <StolenShoeBox> mirak: hmmm
[07:45] <StolenShoeBox> mirak: do you ahve sound juicer?
[07:45] <mirak> StolenShoeBox: aren't you listening to me ?
[07:45] <StolenShoeBox> have*
[07:45] <nico|m> can somebody help me with GRUB and a 3ware RAID controller?
[07:45] <StolenShoeBox> mirak: ya lol sorry
[07:45] <mirak> I said that ripping produce blank wav files
[07:45] <StolenShoeBox> mirak: what are you useing to rip?
[07:45] <mirak> and sound juiver won't launch
[07:45] <mirak> grip
[07:46] <StolenShoeBox> mirak: one sec im going to get you a few links
[07:46] <dcm> petition to change from 'Ubuntu Linux' to 'Ultra Linux'
[07:47] <StolenShoeBox> mirak: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:47] <dcm> And get rid of the black guy in the ring of friends
[07:47] <gen> dcm, hush
[07:47] <JDahl> amu, thanks.. I will give it try
[07:47] <mirak> dcm: ?
[07:47] <mirak> lol
[07:47] <dcm> why, gen?
[07:48] <mirak> dcm: why do you say that ?
[07:48] <centurion> dcm: wtf
[07:48] <dcm> Everyone pretty much knows negroes can't use Linux anyways
[07:48] <gen> mirak: because he is racist obviously
[07:48] <centurion> i fuck aryn fucking racist bastards up
[07:48] <centurion> trailer trash muthafucka
[07:48] <dcm> I don't even know what aryn is.
[07:48] <centurion> get the fuck outta here dcm
[07:49] <dcm> Please watch your language
[07:49] <centurion> dcm: psmd
[07:49] <centurion> dcm: yrmf
[07:49] <thoreauputic> dcm: look up the word ubuntu and examine yourself
[07:49] <dataw0lf|home> centurion: its 'aryan' at least learn the terminology if you're going to get pissed.
[07:49] <scoopex> hi
[07:50] <StolenShoeBox> scoopex: hello
[07:50] <centurion> dataw0lf: sure, thanks for the grammatical insight
[07:50] <gen> dataw0ld|home: it's != its
[07:50] <scoopex> already installed ubuntu ......an i like it :-)
[07:50] <scoopex> s/an/and/
[07:50] <mirak> gen: yeah now that's obvious
[07:50] <gen> hurr
[07:50] <dcm> Is anyone with me on this petition?
[07:50] <mirak> dcm: loser
[07:50] <centurion> aryan=mediocrity
[07:50] <StolenShoeBox> scoopex: ubuntus great =)
[07:50] <supos> dcm: would you please leave, you're not welcome in here
[07:50] <gen> dcm, shut the fuck up
[07:50] <mirak> dcm: LOL*
[07:51] <dcm> ?
[07:51] <mirak> dcm: you are a fucking idiot lol
[07:51] <xukun> how do I know which repositories I need to add in sources.list if file which I need to install in case "libapache2-mod-php4" is not to be vind with apt-get?
[07:51] <centurion> dcm: where ya from "bro" (sic)
[07:51] <mirak> dcm: ubuntu is an african word
[07:51] <dataw0lf|home> you guys are fucking idiots for even arguing with him, that's what he wants.
[07:51] <dcm> That is why I want it changed
[07:51] <dataw0lf|home> Ever heard of a troll??
[07:51] <dcm> Yes, they live under bridges.
[07:52] <centurion> .................zzz
[07:52] <mirak> dcm: haven't you realised that the design of the distro is a bit "brown"
[07:52] <centurion> later on
[07:52] <dcm> Yes
[07:52] <dcm> That is why I changed my theme and such
[07:52] <dataw0lf|home> rofl
[07:52] <mirak> dcm: ok, then create your own heil hittler distro then
[07:52] <mirak> lol
[07:52] <dcm> It's spelled H-I-T-L-E-R
[07:52] <thoreauputic> dcm: with your views, you are a hypocrite for even using the distro
[07:53] <mirak> dcm: ytlair if you want
[07:53] <dcm> Err no
[07:53] <Drago> you lose.
[07:53] <dcm> I'm just trying out different distros then I came across this one
[07:53] <mirak> dcm: where are you from ?
[07:54] <dcm> Missouri
[07:54] <lancelott> hi
[07:54] <dcm> Where are you from, Africa?
[07:54] <jnk> hi
[07:54] <mirak> dcm: france
[07:54] <xinel> australia
[07:54] <dcm> Almost as bad
[07:54] <xinel> booyah :P
[07:54] <gen> dcm, you fucking redneck
[07:54] <mirak> dcm: well, I am black also
[07:55] <xinel> haha
[07:55] <dcm> All I'm asking for is some people to sign my petition
[07:55] <mirak> so I have probably all wrong
[07:55] <arc__> how do I configure the second button in my iBook?
[07:55] <xinel> dcm: what is the petition about?
[07:55] <mirak> dcm: give me it, I want to go to the toilet
[07:55] <thoreauputic> dcm: you're pissing in the wind
[07:55] <mirak> I need some paper
[07:55] <dcm> Changing the name of Ubuntu to Ultra Linux and removing the black guy from the circle of friends
[07:55] <xinel> haha
[07:55] <lancelott> xd
[07:55] <dataw0lf|home> hehe
[07:55] <xinel> trust an american to have problems with a name
[07:56] <mirak> thoreauputic: here, it's "pisser dans un violon" wich is tranlasted by "pissing in a violin"
[07:56] <supos> dcm: this is _way_ offtopic for the channel, please take it somewhere else
[07:56] <dataw0lf|home> I'm a nigger, but I'm not a FRENCH nigger.
[07:56] <lancelott> hey, xinel, shut up
[07:56] <lancelott> plz
[07:56] <xinel> why?
[07:56] <lancelott> fux u
[07:56] <dcm> Still a smelly nigger
[07:56] <mirak> lol
[07:56] <xukun> Guys why cant I apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4. it does not find the package?
[07:56] <xinel> ouch
[07:56] <dataw0lf|home> probably.
[07:56] <clee> dcm: dude, could you be any more retarded?
[07:57] <mirak> that's even funny in fact
[07:57] <thoreauputic> guys, don't let the idiot stir up the channel
[07:57] <thoreauputic> ignore him
[07:57] <xinel> lancelott: whats up?
[07:57] <mirak> can't anyone ban him, that's anoying
[07:57] <lancelott> nothing
[07:57] <scoopex> hi again....
[07:57] <dataw0lf|home> you can't respond to someone like that.
[07:57] <dcm> You guys make me sad
[07:57] <mirak> such a retard
[07:57] <supos> Hey, I have a suggestion, everybody who doesn't agree with dcm stop talking. Let him talk to himself for a couple of minutes, and he'll get bored
[07:57] <dataw0lf|home> just /ignore ALL him
[07:57] <mirak> yes
[07:57] <dcm> Awww
[07:58] <dcm> I come in here to share my views about this distro and I get the silent treatment
[07:58] <dcm> That makes a saaaaaaad panda
[07:59] <scoopex> i have a brand-new ubuntu-installation....everything works nice....but on my keyboard the key for the pipe does not work......
[07:59] <lancelott> lol
[07:59] <mirak> so anyone can help me ? I have a blank sound when ripping a CD in wav ?
[07:59] <arc__> how do I configure the mouse's second button in my iBook?
[07:59] <xinel> hee
[07:59] <xinel> hehe
[07:59] <xinel> my whole pc is dying w00t
[07:59] <clee> damn, irssi rules.
[07:59] <dcm> Good
[07:59] <jdz`> arc__: it's in the faq :)  f11 and f12 let you get 2nd and 3rd buttons
[08:00] <dataw0lf|home> mirak: how you ripping it?
[08:00] <mirak> dataw0lf|home: with grip
[08:00] <arc__> jdz`, thanks a lot
[08:00] <xinel> mebey its time to upgrade to hoary
[08:00] <mirak> dataw0lf|home: sound juicer won't run, there is an error
[08:00] <dataw0lf|home> mirak: what type of error?
[08:00] <jnk> How can I update the ipw2200 drivers? Newest is 0.13, ubuntu provides 0.11 in the linux-image package and just compiling the debian package, then installing ipw2200-modules-2.6.8.1-3-386_0.13-1_i386.deb doesn't work, it conflicts with ubuntu's version
[08:00] <clee> jnk: using Hoary?
[08:01] <jnk> no warthy
[08:01] <lancelott> what's so good about ubuntu?
[08:01] <clee> lancelott: it's like Debian without the suck
[08:01] <lancelott> oh
[08:01] <Treenaks> lancelott: what's not :)
[08:01] <clee> jnk: warty isn't going to get new package versions
[08:01] <jdz`> Warty will only get securety updates.  Either use Hoary or download the packages yourself
[08:01] <lancelott> what version is it based on?
[08:01] <xinel> we have nekkid ppl during the install
[08:01] <clee> jnk: if you want current packages, you should upgrade to hoary
[08:01] <jnk> clee: hoary is just like debian sid ?
[08:01] <jdz`> xinel: isn't the install text only? :P
[08:01] <clee> jnk: for now, it is
[08:02] <xinel> ummm on the web page or sumfin
[08:02] <clee> jnk: in a few months it'll freeze and be turned into another stable release
[08:02] <xinel> point is we have nekkid ppl
[08:02] <clee> xinel: heh. jamesh stated that the Canonical business plan is to give away the CDs but charge for the pr0n
[08:02] <xinel> makes sence to me
[08:02] <jnk> clee: ok. Can I take one or two packages from hoary and stay with warthy ?
[08:03] <clee> jnk: probably, if you know how to do that from debian.
[08:03] <clee> jnk: you can add the Hoary source and do some apt-pinning, I'm sure
[08:03] <mirak> dataw0lf|home: in french
[08:03] <clee> it's easier
[08:03] <jnk> clee: ok, thanks!
[08:03] <xinel> clee: does it rock?
[08:03] <clee> jnk: no problem :)
[08:03] <dataw0lf|home> mirak: eh... hehe can't help you bro.
[08:03] <clee> xinel: does what rock?
[08:03] <mirak> dataw0lf|home: "the module to the cd acces wasn't found"
[08:04] <dcm> Ciao
[08:04] <xinel> hoary
[08:04] <dataw0lf|home> mirak: ah.
[08:04] <clee> xinel: I'm having a great time with it
[08:04] <mirak> dataw0lf|home: oh
[08:04] <d0gmaz> what is the best video player for ubuntu?
[08:05] <clee> d0gmaz: apt-get install totem-xine
[08:05] <clee> or compile mplayer yourself
[08:05] <xinel> bah to that
[08:05] <xinel> gxine rox
[08:06] <wfx> hi
[08:06] <d0gmaz> xinel, gxine?
[08:06] <rip024> hello
[08:06] <xinel> yes
[08:06] <xinel> it am winnah
[08:06] <JDahl> I am trying to mount the initrd.img frin non-different partion: "sudo mount -o loop /media/sda1/boot/initrd.img xxx", but I get "mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#" - that's a new error for me... why is there no /dev/loop, and how do I populate it?
[08:07] <rip024> I burned ubuntu to a disk and set bios to 1st boot from cd and then started computer well it did not boot ubuntu
[08:07] <rip024> any help
[08:08] <lhb_> i installed videolan, which seems to work well
[08:08] <xenonite> rip024: did you try to boot another cd? windows for example?
[08:08] <xinel> all i gotta do to upgrade to hoary is change were ever i see warty to hoary? yes?
[08:08] <rip024> no xenonite I did not
[08:09] <d0gmaz> rip024, you burned it as an disc image not as a data file right?
[08:09] <rip024> no I burned it as a data file
[08:10] <d0gmaz> rip024, wich software do u use?
[08:10] <maskie> rip024, then it will not boot ... must be a disc image
[08:11] <d0gmaz> rip024, do you use nero? or something similar?
[08:11] <MeAndU> how to load an mp3 file in rythembox
[08:11] <rip024> I have nero 6
[08:11] <RubenV> MeAndU: it's on the wiki
[08:11] <RubenV> install gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:12] <wfx> bonobo, mp3
[08:12] <bonobo> wfx: Error: 'mp3' is not a valid command.
[08:12] <d0gmaz> rip024, follow this tutorial http://members.home.nl/lsnoek/iso.htm#Nero%20Burning%20ROM
[08:12] <thoreauputic> rip024: burning as a data file won't produce an ISO
[08:13] <JDahl> I am betting some you dont have /dev/loop either... you get it by "cd /dev; sudo MAKEDEV loop"
[08:13] <maskie> rip024, in nero 6 use burn image to disc to burn the ISO to CD
[08:14] <d0gmaz> how do i set permissions to read and write of an folder including content?
[08:14] <XinUpgradin> chmod --help
[08:14] <d0gmaz> :P
[08:14] <MeAndU> when i rc on mp3 file and select add to library it gives no plug in for mp3 file ?
[08:14] <rip024> d0gmaz I have had trouble before buring ISO so I have saved my self some pain by using ISObuster and then buring disk as data
[08:15] <rip024> I'll try ISO burn with nero  cd's are cheap
[08:15] <d0gmaz> rip024, yeah but you wont extract the boot sector that way
[08:16] <d0gmaz> rip024, if you use the fancy eyecandy nero wizard choose "burn disc image"
[08:16] <kent_> MeAndU, you need the gstreamer-mad plugin.  Read about it on the homepage.
[08:16] <rip024> d0gmaz it's buring now
[08:17] <rip024> hey is ubuntu a good version for a newbi to try
[08:17] <JDahl> hmmm.. this is beyond weird, still no /dev/loop (although MAKEDEV -v loop tells me it created them). Do any of have /dev/loop?
[08:17] <d0gmaz> rip024, yes
[08:18] <cskater> X_X
[08:18] <cskater> GAY EMOTICON TIME!
[08:20] <rip024> cool I'm getting tried of windows crap.  right now my other computer has windows 98se and windows media center 5 I 98se is about out dated
[08:20] <XinUpgradin> rip024: it takes a bit of getting used to but linux is worth the change
[08:21] <JDahl> to get /dev/loop, you need to do "modprobe loop" - then it's created automatically
[08:21] <rip024> I have an older ATI all in wonder pro 32mb video card I hope it will work
[08:22] <d0gmaz> chmod -R rw Quake\ III\ whats wrong with my command?
[08:22] <Chibi> Use ""
[08:22] <crimsun> you didn't specify owner/group/other
[08:22] <crimsun> or +/-
[08:22] <Chibi> 777!
[08:22] <Chibi> :D
[08:23] <crimsun> ugh.
[08:23] <d0gmaz> i still dont get it
[08:23] <Chibi> chmod -R 777 /
[08:23] <Chibi> :P
[08:23] <XinUpgradin> hrmms
[08:23] <d0gmaz> where can i find what 777 does?
[08:23] <XinUpgradin> failed to get some shizzle
[08:23] <RubenV> man chmod
[08:23] <XinUpgradin> does hoary have a page on what lists we need?
[08:24] <Chibi> 7 - all users can read 7 - all users can write 7 - all users can execute
[08:24] <thoreauputic> d0gmaz: be creful with chmod and chown - know what they do before using them!
[08:24] <d0gmaz> Chibi, aight thanks
[08:24] <RubenV> Chibi: wrong :)
[08:24] <Chibi> Wrong? o.o
[08:24] <RubenV> 777 equals rwxrwxrwx
[08:24] <d0gmaz> thoreauputic, thats why i asked
[08:24] <RubenV> first  being rwx for owner
[08:24] <RubenV> second 7 being rwx fr group
[08:24] <Chibi> Oh. Okay, I'm silly. :P
[08:25] <RubenV> third 7 being rwx for world
[08:25] <BeanDip> d0gmaz, the first digit sets the permissions for owner, the second for group, and the third for everyone else.
[08:25] <RubenV> 7 equals 1 + 2 + 4
[08:25] <RubenV> 1 = execute
[08:25] <RubenV> 2 = write
[08:25] <RubenV> 4 = read
[08:25] <d0gmaz> heh cool
[08:25] <BeanDip> you can add those together to get any combo you need
[08:25] <thoreauputic> Chibi: 4 is "read" 2 is "write" 1 is "execute"  thus 1+2+4 = 7 == all permissions
[08:25] <Hikaru79> When trying to turn on my vsftpd server, I get the error "Could not bind listening IPv4 sockets" ... any idea what could be causing this? :(
[08:26] <Chibi> Well, I'm not a linux geek. I was taught linux by someone tossing a slackware cd at me, and a peice of paper that said http://www.google.com
[08:26] <Chibi> :P
[08:26] <d0gmaz> lol
[08:26] <BeanDip> therefore, if you want owner alll permissons, group read and execute, and everyone else no access you would do a chmod 750
[08:26] <thoreauputic> Chibi: heheh
[08:26] <d0gmaz> well im the only use so
[08:27] <d0gmaz> user
[08:27] <rip024> going to try ubuntu
[08:27] <Chibi> Which honestly, I think was the best way to go at learning it. o_O
[08:27] <XinUpgradin> y0 any idea on those repositories?
[08:27] <BeanDip> you can use chown to change ownership and group on a file " chown owner:group filename"
[08:27] <Chibi> Because now, when there's a problem, I can fix it. :P
[08:28] <BeanDip> if you still can't figure out permissions, heres a handy-dandy tool http://www.robolink.com/calculators10.htm
[08:28] <d0gmaz> Chibi, why dont you use slackware anymore?
[08:29] <Chibi> Slackware is my backup, but I'm getting comfortable with Ubuntu, because I dream of the day that Linux is sitting alongside Windows on the racks in the store with a penny pricetag. :P
[08:30] <d0gmaz> dream on :P
[08:30] <Chibi> Slackware is very good, But I can't give slackware to a friend and expect them to use it without calling me every 5 minutes asking a question. :o
[08:31] <Chibi> Aside from that, I'm banned from all of the slackware channels out there for rooting. :P
[08:31] <BeanDip> and chibi passing that question along on irc
[08:31] <BeanDip> :P
[08:34] <Xenguy> Chibi: for "rooting" ?
[08:34] <d0gmaz> hehe
[08:34] <Chibi> Doing everything as root. :P
[08:35] <Xenguy> Chibi: ahh
[08:35] <Xenguy> supos: hi - back
[08:35] <d0gmaz> he rooted newbs like me with stupid questions :P
[08:35] <Chibi> Nah, no stupid questions.
[08:36] <Chibi> Can't ask a question when you're instantly banned.
[08:38] <dasenjo> Im getting "A system error occurred." using the forgotten password web page ..
[08:38] <XinUpgradin> bloody hell
[08:38] <XinUpgradin> need to get 412mb of new shizzle for hoary
[08:40] <dasenjo> Who can check https://www.ubuntulinux.org/forgottenpassword ..? It is not working!
[08:41] <ploggin> hi, anyone knows any good tutorial i can take a look at to mount my windows XP hard disk on ubuntu?
[08:42] <bvc> dasenjo: worked here
[08:42] <xukun> ist normal that /etc/apache2/httpd.conf is empty after installing apache?
[08:43] <joolz> xukun: geen flauw idee, wat zegt de manpage daarover?
[08:43] <dasenjo> bvc: sorry .. there is a bug report.
[08:43] <dasenjo> bvc, I really dont want to create a new account ..
[08:45] <thoreauputic> ploggin: do you have a line for that partition in your /etc/fstab file?
[08:45] <carlos> dasenjo: I think there is already a bug report about it at bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[08:45] <bvc> ploggin: add /dev/hdX?       /give_it_a_name vfat umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850 0 0 the mkdir -p /give_it_a_name
[08:45] <Ruffian|JANE|> hey all
[08:45] <dasenjo> carlos, yes, sorry.
[08:45] <carlos> dasenjo: no problem
[08:45] <bvc> ploggin: then mkdir -p /give_it_a_name
[08:45] <thoreauputic> bvc: not if he has ntfs
[08:45] <bvc> true
[08:45] <ploggin> i do have NTFS
[08:46] <ploggin> and no line in etc/fstab file
[08:47] <thoreauputic> ploggin: mine looks like this -
[08:47] <thoreauputic> /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs noauto,users,exec,ro,uid=myuser,gid=mygroup 0 0
[08:48] <shaya> is there any way to directly install hoary?
[08:48] <shaya> or does one have to first install warty?
[08:48] <thoreauputic> substitute your username and group
[08:49] <thoreauputic> ploggin: sorry that was for you
[08:49] <crimsun> shaya: I believe it's easiest to install warty and dist-upgrade to hoary.
[08:49] <bvc> shaya: current hoary fried my setup.....go warty
[08:49] <shaya> crimsun: is hoary equivalent to debian unstable in stableness or less stable
[08:50] <crimsun> about the same if not more stable
[08:50] <shaya> i.e. my laptop has tracked unstable for a few years
[08:50] <crimsun> not _every_ single package update from sid makes it to hoary
[08:50] <bvc> debian unstable never freaked my gnome, hoary did
[08:51] <crimsun> heh
[08:51] <Ruffian|JANE|> freaked?
[08:51] <Ruffian|JANE|> what do you mean by freaked?
[08:51] <shaya> I'm currently running 2.8 from experimental
[08:51] <crimsun> I've never had anything but good experiences with GNOME on Ubuntu*
[08:51] <crimsun> I'm running 2.9.1 (essentially) from hoary
[08:51] <ploggin> ok, thoreauputic, do you think that should make it?
[08:51] <crimsun> everything else is from experimental
[08:52] <bvc> extremely slow.....5 minute login and outs...created new users....same thing...'can't find /tmp/fam-user-
[08:52] <Ruffian|JANE|> that  is  strange
[08:52] <thoreauputic> ploggin: should do it for you - of course you also need to have a /mnt/hda1 and it assumes your XP is in /dev/hda1
[08:52] <crimsun> bvc: famd running?
[08:53] <bvc> can not connect to socket..../tmp/fam-user ....error exec gam_server
[08:53] <bvc> yes
[08:53] <seb128> bvc: in hoary ? apt-get install gamin
[08:53] <thoreauputic> ploggin: also of course substitute your username where relevant
[08:53] <bvc> I also rebooted
[08:53] <ploggin> /mnt/hda1 ????
[08:53] <seb128> you need gamin
[08:53] <ploggin> what do you mean?
[08:53] <bvc> gamin?
[08:53] <thoreauputic> ploggin: do you have a /mnt directory ?
[08:53] <crimsun> bvc: gamin - File and directory monitoring system
[08:53] <Ruffian|JANE|> I want Ubuntu updates
[08:54] <crimsun> bvc: that's why.
[08:54] <seb128> bvc: the fam replacement
[08:54] <ploggin> yes, but no elements in it
[08:54] <bvc> so is fam removed?
[08:54] <seb128> bvc: replaced with gamin
[08:54] <thoreauputic> ploggin: well, create a directory in it called hda1
[08:54] <bvc> thX! I'll boot out of mandrake and give it a go
[08:54] <ploggin> ok
[08:55] <ploggin> and just one last thing
[08:55] <ploggin> i know the user name to put, but group??
[08:55] <thoreauputic> ploggin: it isn't magic - your fstab entry needs to match the mount point (/mnt/hda1)
[08:56] <ploggin> ok
[08:56] <ploggin> but i don't know what group to put in there
[08:56] <thoreauputic> ploggin: you can call it xp or windows if you want to, but it has to be the same in fstab
[08:56] <ploggin> ok
[08:56] <thoreauputic> /mnt/hda1 is just simpler
[08:56] <ploggin> i can't create a new folder in /mnt
[08:56] <ploggin> shall i create it from root terminal?
[08:57] <thoreauputic> ploggin: you need sudo mkdir /mnt/hda1
[08:57] <thoreauputic> ploggin: got it?
[08:57] <ploggin> ok
[08:57] <ploggin> thanks
[08:57] <thoreauputic> no worries
[08:58] <sivang> ploggin : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[08:59] <sivang> ploggin : if you comment on it if ti worked or not, that would be great. :)
[09:00] <kent_> thoreauputic, he should use /media  not /mnt
[09:00] <thoreauputic> kent_: hmm.... OK whatever - I use /mnt but either will work I guess
[09:01] <ploggin> ok sivang, i will thanks
[09:01] <ploggin> thoreauputic, thanks you too! ;)
[09:01] <kent_> thoreauputic, i think ubuntu uses /media as default and i belive its to comming standard.
[09:01] <thoreauputic> kent_: really, he could use /foobar for that matter ;)
[09:01] <thoreauputic> ploggin: :)
[09:02] <thoreauputic> kent_: yeah, I expect you're right
[09:02] <Ruffian|JANE|> anyone know why distrowatch is still down
[09:02] <Chibi> Because it's down. :P
[09:02] <thoreauputic> kent_: I have nfs mount points and stuff that don't conform to any known "standard" but still work fine :)
[09:03] <usual> where do truetype fonts go in ubuntu and do I have to run anything after I place them there?
[09:03] <wasabi> .fonts. no.
[09:04] <aaroncuk> hi all
[09:04] <usual> i have no .fonts
[09:04] <Hikaru79> What would I have to do if I wanted to boot into Ubuntu through command-line, so that it doesn't go to GNOME?
[09:04] <wasabi> well make one
[09:04] <sebast123> As anyone received their CDs?
[09:04] <usual> ok
[09:04] <kent_> usual, then create it?
[09:05] <aaroncuk> can some one help me with samba and windows shares?
[09:05] <bur[n] er> aaroncuk: problem?
[09:05] <ploggin> thoreauputic, how can i know my group id?
[09:05] <aaroncuk> i can see my ubuntu server from windows but i cant log into it.
[09:05] <aaroncuk> wont accept my username and password
[09:06] <bur[n] er> aaroncuk: open a term... type "smbpasswd -a username"
[09:06] <Xenguy> Is anyone else having trouble reaching www.ubuntulinux.org ?
[09:06] <bur[n] er> "sudo smbpasswd -a <username>" to be more exact
[09:06] <bur[n] er> Xenguy: .com :P
[09:07] <Xenguy> bur[n] er: I don't think so :-/
[09:07] <ploggin> thoreauputic, how can i know my group id?
[09:07] <aaroncuk> hmm it keeps adding the windows machine name and a slash, ie windowsmachine\username
[09:07] <ploggin> thoreauputic, how can i know my group id?
[09:07] <thoreauputic> ploggin: type id
[09:07] <Xenguy> OK I'm good, must have been a hiccup
[09:08] <thoreauputic> it will give you all the group id numbers as well
[09:08] <crimsun> ploggin: getent passwd $USER |awk -F: '{print $4}'
[09:08] <thoreauputic> ploggin: the first two are the ones you want (probably 1000)
[09:09] <adam_> can anyone tell me how to install edonkeyclc-1.0.2-1.i386.rpm  on ubuntu
[09:09] <Xenguy> No I'm not - can't reach certain wiki pages - grrr
[09:09] <Hikaru79> Sorry to repeat, but what would I have to do if I wanted to boot into Ubuntu through command-line, so that it doesn't go to GNOME?
[09:09] <thoreauputic> crimsun: impressive, but unecessary ;)
[09:09] <bur[n] er> aaroncuk: no worries
[09:09] <usual> Hikaru79, change the runlevel
[09:09] <bur[n] er> aaroncuk: u on a domain?
[09:09] <aaroncuk> nah
[09:09] <Hikaru79> In initrd?
[09:10] <usual> Hikaru79, sudo /etc/inittab
[09:10] <usual> oops
[09:10] <XinUpgradin> thoreauputic, ctrl alt F6
[09:10] <usual> Hikaru79, sudo editor /etc/inittab
[09:10] <thoreauputic> XinUpgradin: ?
[09:10] <ploggin> thanks everyone!
[09:10] <ploggin> going to logout to see
[09:10] <XinUpgradin> ur command line then :P
[09:11] <bvc> yup...just needed gamin. Thx!
[09:11] <thoreauputic> XinUpgradin: sorry did I miss something?
[09:11] <aaroncuk> the user needed enabling
[09:12] <XinUpgradin> thoreauputic, soz my eyes are fuzzy, didn't someone want to know how to get into command line?
[09:13] <XinUpgradin> ah yups it wasn't u
[09:13] <XinUpgradin> soz
[09:13] <XinUpgradin> tis 4:13am here
[09:13] <thoreauputic> XinUpgradin: wrong nick :)
[09:13] <XinUpgradin> yah :P
[09:13] <Ruffian|JANE|> XinUgradin: XinUpgradin
[09:14] <Xenguy> If there are any Ubuntu webmasters present, the web site/wiki seems really slow right now, FYI -- I'm wondering if this is an issuing with Plone scaling?  Just a thought.
[09:14] <im_ka> hi
[09:14] <XinUpgradin> Ruffian|JANE|, yeah?
[09:14] <Xenguy> s/issuing/issue
[09:14] <Ruffian|JANE|> ooops
[09:14] <Ruffian|JANE|> sorry
[09:14] <XinUpgradin> hahaha
[09:14] <XinUpgradin> np
[09:14] <im_ka> how can i "pass on" my internet connection to my gf's laptop running winblows?
[09:15] <im_ka> or better say: share
[09:15] <im_ka> ?
[09:15] <Xenguy> im_ka: you need a gateway box with 'IP masq' or 'NAT' setup basically
[09:16] <im_ka> are there any good howto's on NAT?
[09:16] <im_ka> i've been googling but nothing useful.
[09:16] <Xenguy> im_ka: I did this by setting up 'Shorewall' firewall on my gateway, and taking care of the NAT stuff that way
[09:17] <im_ka> Xenguy my gateway would be my ubuntu box i assume
[09:17] <Xenguy> im_ka: you choose a '2 box' or '3 box' setup and then customize the files to your network - worked well for me, and good documentation.
[09:17] <im_ka> thanks. let's see
[09:17] <Xenguy> im_ka: that's the best way I would think (linux/gateway)
[09:19] <XinUpgradin> adsl + router = winnah
[09:19] <im_ka> it's supported by ubuntu :)
[09:20] <XinUpgradin> yay nvidia tricked work
[09:20] <XinUpgradin> no more crashes for me
[09:20] <Hikaru79> What runlevel do I have to set so that Ubuntu will boot into command-line rather than GNOME?
[09:21] <Xenguy> im_ka: apt-get'able, yes :-)
[09:21] <{Fah-Q}> Hey, where can I find out more about the distinction between the various ubuntu releases and what packages are in which?
[09:21] <Xenguy> im_ka: see http://www.shorewall.net/shorewall_quickstart_guide.htm  <-- look for links 'Two-interface' and/or 'Three-interface'
[09:21] <{Fah-Q}> I'm an ex-debian/current gentoo user and ubuntu sounds exactly like what would make me go back to apt-get/debian.
[09:22] <{Fah-Q}> I switched to gentoo mainly due to the dated nature of stable.
[09:22] <{Fah-Q}> A desktop oriented debian would be terrific
[09:22] <XinUpgradin> im a fan boi {Fah-Q}
[09:23] <jdz`> {Fah-Q}: It's all on the website.  Explore a bit, lots of great info there :)
[09:23] <{Fah-Q}> is hoary roughly the same as sid?
[09:23] <jdz`> {Fah-Q}: I'm also ex-Gentoo/Debian, and am very happy. :)
[09:23] <{Fah-Q}> actually, I did look for a package list on the website.
[09:23] <jdz`> Sorta.  Hoary is more like Sarge.
[09:23] <Hikaru79> What runlevel do I have to set so that Ubuntu will boot into command-line rather than GNOME?
[09:24] <{Fah-Q}> jdz`: yeah, I'm about to try the live cd. The single thing that drove me from debian was the release cycle
[09:24] <{Fah-Q}> cool, thanks
[09:24] <Hikaru79> You won't be dissappointed, {Fah-Q}
[09:24] <Hikaru79> =)
[09:24] <{Fah-Q}> guess I'll go try out the live cd
[09:24] <{Fah-Q}> I'm sure I wont. Gentoo's package management isn't nearly as robust as apt IMHO
[09:25] <{Fah-Q}> I mean, portage is great and all but I've spent a lot of time fighting with upgrades
[09:25] <jdz`> {Fah-Q}: Ubuntu releases about every 6 months (twice a year).  The current relese is Warty.  Next release, currently in development, is Hoary -- should be released in early April 2005.
[09:25] <{Fah-Q}> That is perfect. And I see x.org is going to be in there as well. Terrific
[09:25] <Cube-ness> how the heck do i add stuff to the $PATH? as in, so i dont have to do export when i want to use something in some path not in $PATH
[09:25] <Xenguy> Hikaru79: Can you just uninstall gdm?
[09:25] <{Fah-Q}> Cube-ness: .bash_profile
[09:25] <Hikaru79> Xenguy, I don't want to uninstall GDM, I just want to boot straight into command line once or twice
[09:25] <jdz`> Infact, the version numbers work like this: Warty is 4.10 because it was released in 200*4*, 10th month (October)
[09:26] <{Fah-Q}> brb
[09:26] <jdz`> So Hoary, if it's released on time, should be 5.4 :)
[09:26] <XinUpgradin> night all
[09:26] <Xenguy> Hikaru79: there are different ways, but you could just uninstall, then re-install when yer done
[09:27] <{Fah-Q}> cool. I look forward to faster upgrades. I HATE compiling everything.
[09:27] <{Fah-Q}> I mean, I can use apt-build and put packages on hold if I really need to, but someimes... I'm sure you know what I mean
[09:27] <Xenguy> Hikaru79: or, I'm not sure if just temporarily doing cd /etc/init.d ; mv gdm gdm.OFF    would work or not ?
[09:27] <dcm_> nig
[09:27] <jdz`> *laughs*  Yeah.  Actually the computer I'm on now (my desktop machine) is still Gentoo.  It's goten out of date though, and I think I'm just going to upgrade it to Hoary next year.
[09:27] <no-use> I can't see my partitions in the partioner when installing ubuntu; what causes this ?
[09:28] <Cube-ness> thanks {Fah-Q}
[09:28] <{Fah-Q}> Hikaru79: you want to boot to single user mode? Or you just dont want gdm to start?
[09:28] <{Fah-Q}> you could remove gdm from the run level temporarily
[09:28] <Xenguy> no-use: an alternative might be to hit 'Alt-F2' and fire up 'cfdisk'
[09:28] <jdz`> I think init-level 3 won't have gdm.
[09:28] <no-use> tnx Xenguy
[09:29] <Xenguy> no-use: yw
[09:29] <{Fah-Q}> IIRC debiannn doesn't associate *dm to a specific run level in /etc/inittab like redhat does/did
[09:29] <{Fah-Q}> *dm is started from /etc/init.d/ like any other service
[09:29] <thoreauputic> {Fah-Q}: that's right
[09:29] <Xenguy> Hikaru79: what {Fah-Q} said, and there's a little tool I think you can apt-get called 'rcconf' that will help with managing services.
[09:31] <{Fah-Q}> hrm, the livecd can't find a morphix filesystem?
[09:32] <no-use> Xenguy: what would be in ubuntu my hda in the /dev dir ?
[09:32] <Ruffian|JANE|> How long does it take for me to get this Ubuntu CDs?  It never asked me for Credit card info, and after it said "The CDs will be shipped to (My address)" so im guessing I did not need to pay
[09:32] <Xenguy> no-use: not sure that question is clear
[09:33] <daniels> Ruffian|JANE|: when did you order?  (no, you do not need to pay)
[09:33] <thoreauputic> Ruffian|JANE|: correct - they are free as in beer :)
[09:33] <no-use> I need to fire up cfdisk with the location of my hd after it
[09:33] <Xenguy> Ruffian|JANE|: and they are free as in freedom also :-)
[09:34] <thoreauputic> Xenguy: :)
[09:34] <jdz`> no-use: `cfdisk /dev/hda' for the first IDE harddisk. etc..
[09:34] <Xenguy> no-use: can you just do 'cfdisk', press Enter, and view the partition info?
[09:34] <Ruffian|JANE|> daniels, hmm, no longer then a month ago
[09:35] <no-use> jdz`: there is no /dev/hda when booted in the install cd
[09:35] <no-use> Xenguy: no it doesn't find my hd by default
[09:35] <Xenguy> no-use: hrm, something's wrong (but I guess you figured that already ;-)
[09:35] <no-use> yeah I did
[09:36] <{Fah-Q}> ah well. I can't get the livecd to boot
[09:36] <no-use> the problem is the partitioner in the installation menu shows my whole partition
[09:36] <{Fah-Q}> it keeps saying it cant find the basee module
[09:36] <no-use> but I need to overwrite my old linux partitions
[09:36] <fissy> hi i'm having a problem using shorewall... Starting "Shorewall firewall": /etc/init.d/shorewall: line 27: not done (check /var/log/shorewall-init.log).: No such file or directory
[09:36] <wood1> Is Gentoo better than Ubuntu in a general sense ?
[09:37] <{Fah-Q}> wood1: thats a pretty subjective question
[09:37] <jdz`> wood1: Thats subjective. :)
[09:37] <zenwhen> wood1, no.
[09:37] <Xenguy> no-use: I'm not really sure what to suggest (I tend to follow my nose, and I don't have a clear sense of what is happening with your install - sorry)
[09:38] <Xenguy> wood1: for most users, I would say clearly not.
[09:38] <daniels> Ruffian|JANE|: probably about three months away
[09:38] <thoreauputic> wood1: all generalisations are dangerous... especially the one I just made .. ;-)
[09:38] <Xenguy> wood1: for some power user/control freak types, who like to compile a lot, then sure ;-)
[09:38] <zenwhen> It offers nothing other than a placebo speed effect. No on has ever proven gentoo to be faster at ANYTHING than Debian based distros.
[09:38] <jdz`> wood1: I think Gentoo is a good learning experence, and can be fun - bun Ubuntu seems much more pratical.
[09:38] <daniels> guys
[09:39] <daniels> let's not have this argument, please.
[09:39] <zenwhen> I think Gentoo is not a good learning experience. A good learning experience is slackware.
[09:39] <{Fah-Q}> zenwhen: its not really about speed. USE flags are pretty powerful. But building everyting gets tedious
[09:39] <zenwhen> Portage forces you to learn nothing but how to watch GCC scroll.
[09:39] <thoreauputic> #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[09:39] <{Fah-Q}> heh, indeed
[09:40] <zenwhen> use flags lmao
[09:40] <zenwhen> me too
[09:40] <thoreauputic> ed! ed is the editor! ed, man! man ed!
[09:40] <wood1> Wow, I really appreciate all your commitment to Ubuntu
[09:41] <zenwhen> ty ;)
[09:41] <d0gmaz> i have updated to hoary and know gnome filesystem is slow there is some package i need to install wich was it?
[09:41] <thoreauputic> d0gmaz: gamin IIRC
[09:42] <pisuke> gnome filesystem :?
[09:42] <wood1> By the way, which file system is better? Ext3 or RFS ?
[09:42] <Xenguy> wood1: one might expect that on the #ubuntu channel tho ;-)
[09:42] <Xenguy> wood1: you realize your questions are a bit 'trollish' yes?
[09:42] <thoreauputic> wood1: that's another one of those endless debates...
[09:42] <jdz`> wood1: I use ReiserFS, but again, thats a subjective question..
[09:42] <daniels> (yeah, and another debate we shouldn't have here ...)
[09:42] <d0gmaz> thoreauputic, thanks
[09:42] <fissy> RFS?
[09:43] <fissy> does anybody know anything about shorewall on ubuntu?
[09:43] <fissy> why does it come with /etc/shorewall/ empty and why won't it start?
[09:43] <Xenguy> wood1: FWIW, ext3 is safer, and slower (YMMV)
[09:43] <Ruffian|JANE|> daniels, seriously three months?
[09:43] <thoreauputic> fissy: an easier firewall is firestarter
[09:44] <Xenguy> fissy: you apt-get'd shorewall?
[09:44] <daniels> Ruffian|JANE|: imagine i said 'weeks' instead
[09:44] <fissy> thoreauputic, i don't want an easier firewall.... i want shorewall
[09:44] <fissy> and yes its installed :P
[09:44] <thoreauputic> fissy: OK - just saying...
[09:44] <fissy> i know, sorry to snap
[09:44] <ploggin> hi
[09:44] <fissy> its for a server
[09:44] <zenwhen> Q: Is linux really for "godless commies"?
[09:44] <fissy> hello ploggin
[09:44] <zenwhen> xD
[09:45] <jdz`> zenwhen: Yes, and other peoples too :)
[09:45] <zenwhen> lol
[09:45] <ploggin> how can i create a link to a folder in the desktop? i mean, a link to go for example to /usr/bin ??
[09:45] <fissy> starting shorewall with /etc/init.d/shorewall start gives:
[09:45] <Xenguy> fissy: well you definitely need something in /etc/shorewall ;-)
[09:45] <fissy> Starting "Shorewall firewall": /etc/init.d/shorewall: line 27: not done (check /var/log/shorewall-init.log).: No such file or directory
[09:46] <fissy> so i did 'touch /var/log/shorewall-init.log'
[09:46] <fissy> no change
[09:46] <Xenguy> fissy: If it were me, I would not be confident that the install was successful :-/
[09:46] <fissy> thats true, but not what it seems to be failing on
[09:46] <usual> look at my poor attempt at artwork haha
[09:46] <usual> http://colin.homeunix.org/ubuntu-banner.png
[09:46] <fissy> nothing went wrong in the install iirc
[09:47] <fissy> should /etc/shorewall/ be filled out with examples then?
[09:47] <ploggin> how can i create a link to a folder in the desktop? i mean, a link to go for example to /usr/bin ??
[09:47] <fissy> open up /usr in nautilus, then middle click drag 'bin' to your desktop
[09:48] <Xenguy> fissy: dpkg -L shorewall  <-- should show what default files should be installed
[09:48] <fissy> doesn't do anything except create the dir /etc/shorewall
[09:48] <aaroncuk> how do i set folder permissions for samba
[09:49] <fissy> going to have to copy my config files from gentoo.... :-\
[09:49] <fissy> no problem ploggin
[09:49] <Xenguy> fissy: yep, same here (NOTE: this is a debian/sid system I'm on ATM)
[09:49] <fissy> ok
[09:49] <fissy> is there anyone i should give a slap and tell them to sort it out?
[09:50] <Xenguy> fissy: check this out FWIW: http://www.shorewall.net/shorewall_quickstart_guide.htm  ...
[09:51] <Xenguy> fissy: also you should be able to copy whatever files you need from your Ubu system (i.e. I wouldn't necessarily recommend mixing and matching gentoo and Ubu, ideally) - you need to decide on whether you want 'Two-interface' or 'Three-interface' setup, etc.
[09:51] <rip024> anyone have a good web site for a newbe  I just ran ubuntu from disk but have no idea what to do from there  I did access the web but I was lost with OS
[09:53] <janl> anyone had problems with text not displaying in flash?
[09:54] <thoreauputic> rip024:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq
[09:54] <Xenguy> rip024: what are you trying to do at this point?
[09:55] <epod> hm
[09:55] <rip024> learn Xenguy  I have 2.2 intel with 80 gig and 160 gig hd and 3 other computers networked with dlink router
[09:55] <epod> I really wish my internet at home *and* at work weren't both messing up.  It's really aggrivating.  *sigh*
[09:57] <epod> thoreauputic: can I help you?
[09:57] <epod> or are you just randomly versioning people?
[09:58] <thoreauputic> epod: heh - just interested to see which OS was succeeding in connecting you
[09:58] <thoreauputic> epod: relax
[09:58] <rip024> I use my 2.2 computer to back up my movies (dvd) using dvdshrink but I'm having trouble with 160 gig hd and western's says window 98 will not support my hard drive set up
[09:58] <epod> thoreauputic: nah, not the OS.  I live 24km outside of town, so my cable internet tends to be flakey.
[09:59] <bkw-laptop> Is the default i386 image or the live cd recommended for a new ubuntu user?
[10:00] <thoreauputic> epod: at least you have one - here I'm connected with a couple of yoghurt cups and a piece of string ;)
[10:00] <epod> bkw-laptop: depends if you want to install it to hard disk (which could overwrite your OS you already have installed if you don't know what you're doing)
[10:00] <epod> thoreauputic: lol, yeah, it is a bit better than that.  It's broadband, when it's not disconnecting every 5 minutes ;)
[10:01] <bkw-laptop> epod, I'll remove everything currently installed so it doesnt matter. which one will be the best choice for me then?
[10:02] <epod> bkw-laptop: running from a livecd is always slower, and doesn't let you really change much, so I'd recommend just grabbing the i386 iso
[10:02] <epod> ubuntu is really well put together, I didn't even have to configure X at all, and I have a weird resolution (1440x900) which most distros don't get w/o me manually adding it
[10:03] <epod> comcast. eew.
[10:04] <Xenguy> rip024: there a lot of good documentation at The Linux Documentation Project (http://www.tldp.org/)...
[10:06] <Xenguy> rip024: also there is some good debian-related info here (http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals) -- Ubuntu is based on Debian.
[10:06] <epod> No! Debian is based on Ubuntu! ;)
[10:07] <Xenguy> rip024: you may want to start with the 2nd link actually (there are even free on-line books listed here AFAIK)
[10:07] <Xenguy> epod: hehe - there is a quotation on the Ubu site, some like "Debian is the rock upon which Ubuntu is base" -- credit where credit is due :-)
[10:08] <Xenguy> s/base/based
[10:08] <rip024> thank you Xenguy looks like I need to start reading
[10:09] <crisp> I've got everything working now except my sound :(
[10:09] <Xenguy> rip024: I hope you like reading -- gnu/linux demands it of us :-)
[10:11] <rip024> I don't mind reading things I understand but I can get lost quick sometimes I like the trial and chash idea
[10:12] <kalle_> anyone running mac-on-linux?
[10:12] <kalle_> i've got some problems with graphics when running mol in a window
[10:13] <kalle_> and mol osx won't open the mol-drivers for sound and network
[10:13] <kalle_> so that kind of sucks
[10:13] <scumler> crisp: I've got the same problem.....I can't get to work an old aztech1008 isa-pnp card....:'(
[10:15] <crisp> yeah it's the only thing i cant get to work, which is annoying, ive got a soundcard and onboard sound, but im not sure where to start in trying to get it to work
[10:15] <Xenguy> ww
[10:16] <opi> hi there, guys
[10:17] <scumler> crisp: well, I found several posts and docs, but none of that solutions works for me. (perhaps is my fault...) I'll try once again after some days without thinking about it...;)
[10:17] <scumler> sometimes it works...
[10:20] <JDahl> is possible to build a custom kernel on my current ubuntu system, and install it on a different harddrive that I can access but not boot (a usb harddrive)? what would be the easiest way to do that?
[10:21] <opi> JDahl: it's possible
[10:21] <opi> JDahl: you can compile kernel and use it on different system
[10:21] <crisp> scumler: my system seems to pick up the audio devices, it's weird
[10:21] <thoreauputic> JDahl: why do you need to?
[10:21] <opi> JDahl: Im doing it for my slow Slackware box ;-)
[10:21] <JDahl> in particular, I need a different initrd.img... the stock one doesnt load the appropriate USB modules, and hence / access is broken and boot fails with kernel panic
[10:22] <crisp> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4253
[10:22] <crisp> see
[10:22] <crisp> the output of my lspci
[10:22] <aaroncuk> ./usr/Desktop/Music
[10:22] <crisp> it picks it up, maybe the drivers arent installed properly or something
[10:23] <JDahl> thoreauputic, you helped me abit on #debian earlier? I was stupid.. updating /etc/modules wont help me since the root partition cannot be accessed
[10:23] <thoreauputic> JDahl: ah, I see
[10:24] <JDahl> so if I build a kernel using kernel-package with the associate initrd.img, how do I install that on my usb partition?
[10:27] <scumler> crisp: with a pci card I think you shouldn't have too much trouble to make it work.   Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738
[10:27] <scumler> OPS
[10:27] <scumler> mistake
[10:28] <scumler> crisp: The CM8738 is your pci or onboard card?
[10:28] <crisp> pci
[10:28] <crisp> the nforce are the onboard
[10:28] <scumler> i remember I saw a post, I don't remember where, that had the same problem
[10:28] <scumler> I mean two cards: one onboard one pci
[10:28] <scumler> and it got it to work
[10:29] <scumler> I'm going to take a look
[10:29] <crisp> ok thanks, ill take a look too
[10:30] <skelll> hello people i just install ubuntu to my nefew (6 and 8 year), you can't realize how fast they remove all gnome panel to replace them by one empty , so i want to know if it is possible to lock the panels until they become more expert
[10:30] <thoreauputic> disable onboard in BIOS perhaps?
[10:30] <thoreauputic> umm - that was for scumler and crisp
[10:30] <scumler> thoreauputic: yes, it said something about bios...:)
[10:35] <crisp> thoreauputic, i suppose i could try that, but it's a bit of a 'dirty' way if you know what i mean
[10:35] <crisp> i think they are probably conflicting, although sound worked fine on the live cd
[10:35] <Protege61891> Anyone know where I can download ATi drivers in debian format?
[10:36] <zenwhen> Protege61891,
[10:36] <zenwhen> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:37] <epod> um
[10:37] <epod> zenwhen, that's ati
[10:37] <Protege61891> zenwhen: Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:37] <Protege61891>  /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.6111-1ubuntu7_i386.deb
[10:37] <Protege61891> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:37] <epod> Protege61891: goto the ubuntu wiki and search for BinaryDriverHowto
[10:37] <Protege61891> i have that
[10:38] <epod> it's on there.
[10:38] <Protege61891> I just dont want to convert rpm to debian
[10:38] <zenwhen> well
[10:38] <epod> um
[10:38] <zenwhen> that doesnt involve converting
[10:38] <epod> it's a command there
[10:39] <epod> apt-get install fglrx-driver or something
[10:39] <Protege61891> the ATi drivers download comes in .rpm format
[10:39] <scumler> crisp: have you tried removing your pci card to try if your onboard works that way? it should point to a pci conflict...
[10:39] <epod> Protege61891: Read the howto, no, it doesn't
[10:39] <scumler> just an idea :-)
[10:40] <epod> Protege61891: I just did apt-get install fglrx-driver
[10:40] <epod> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:40] <epod> the instructions are all on there
[10:41] <epod> heh.
[10:41] <dle> Does anyone know how to play a dvd?  I have already installed libdecss, and I have totem and mplayer here.
[10:42] <centurion> join #macosx
[10:42] <granlatigo> hi
[10:42] <crisp> scumler:  i could remove it, but thats a mission, i'll try that as a last resort but i really cant be bothered to mess around with hardware right now
[10:42] <centurion> hi
[10:42] <centurion> hello
[10:43] <epod> dle: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:43] <granlatigo> is outthere an ubuntu repository with firebird 1.0?
[10:43] <djtansey> has anyone here used live bookmarks in firefox (in warty)? i can't seem to figure out how to add them.
[10:44] <crisp> rss feeds?
[10:44] <Protege61891> epod: I followed the instructions but i cant raise my desktop res above 1024x768 and i have a radeon 9600 pro
[10:44] <djtansey> crisp: yeah.
[10:44] <Despair> granlatigo: hoary has 1.0-RCsomething. I hope it'll get the release version soon.
[10:45] <epod> Protege61891: did you manually edit your X config?
[10:45] <Protege61891> epod: no
[10:45] <crisp> djtansey yeah i have two for /. and the register
[10:45] <epod> Protege61891: it works at 1440x900 for me.  Try editing your X config to set the resolution you want
[10:46] <crisp> for those, when a site has an rss feed there's an icon in your status bar, click it and select subscribe
[10:46] <Protege61891> epod: you mean step four of the instructions?
[10:46] <crisp> then choose where to put it, i have mine on my boommarks toolbar
[10:46] <crisp> *bookmarks
[10:46] <epod> Protege61891: no, I mean, go edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and change 1024x768 to whatever resolutuon you want
[10:46] <granlatigo> Despair, thanks
[10:46] <netmonk> what do I have to use to erase a cd-rw in Ubuntu?
[10:47] <djtansey> crisp: hmm.. trying to get it to work for nytimes rss feeds. any idea what it is looking for? i went to the xml files on the nytimes and didn't see such an icon.
[10:47] <crisp> whats the site
[10:47] <epod> Ubuntu really ought to ship with some decent cdrecording app set up by default.
[10:47] <Protege61891> epod: kool thank you.
[10:47] <crisp> granlatigo you can install firefox 1.0 if you want, pretty easily, i have
[10:48] <djtansey> crisp: and i don't see such an icon at /. either.
[10:48] <djtansey> crisp: http://www.nytimes.com/services/xml/rss/
[10:48] <epod> crisp: I tried, and it would only run as root
[10:49] <djtansey> crisp: or are they not in 0.9.3 -- the warty firefox
[10:49] <crisp> ohhh
[10:49] <crisp> its still there but a diff icon
[10:49] <crisp> it should be orange and say RSS
[10:49] <crisp> bottom right
[10:49] <crisp> in the status bar
[10:50] <crisp> just go to http://nytimes.com and its there
[10:50] <granlatigo> crisp, I have plugins and other installed, Can I install 1.0 without breaking my apt database and mainteining my stuff?
[10:50] <epod> granlatigo: that was the issue I had
[10:50] <crisp> save your plugins directry
[10:50] <djtansey> crisp: going now.
[10:50] <epod> mplayer plugin didn't like me removing 0.9.3 with apt
[10:50] <epod> heh
[10:51] <crisp> personally i just did an uninstall with apt, then went to the firefox site, downloaded the tarball and installed
[10:51] <crisp> if you want the same plugins you should save your plugins folder
[10:51] <granlatigo> mm
[10:51] <epod> crisp: yeah, but the mozilla-mplayer won't install w/o firefox or mozilla-browser debs installed
[10:51] <crisp> but i cant promise you wont run into any problems, cause i did it on a fresh install of ubuntu with no plugins etc
[10:51] <djtansey> crisp: i might do that. install it in /usr/local -- becuase i'm not seeing any such icon on nytimes or on /.
[10:52] <epod> couldn't one download the .tar.gz of firefox (not the installer) and make a .deb of it?
[10:52] <Rob|Linux> when a new version comes out how do you upgrade ubuntu?
[10:52] <epod> Rob|Linux: I *think* you change your repositories to hoary and select upgrade, but I am not sure
[10:52] <crisp> i take it you have your status bar showing... stupid question but still
[10:52] <Protege61891> epod: The text editor won't let me make changes to XF86Config-4
[10:53] <epod> Protege61891: sudo
[10:53] <Protege61891> ahh
[10:53] <Protege61891> ty
[10:53] <epod> you have to edit that as root
[10:53] <epod> np
[10:53] <Protege61891> (slaps head)
[10:54] <djtansey> crisp: yup. left says "done" right says nothing. just a separator
[10:55] <Rob|Linux> Ubuntu is unstable isnt it
[10:55] <im_ka> Rob|Linux it isn't
[10:55] <Rob|Linux> In some ways it is
[10:55] <granlatigo> Rob|Linux, mine not
[10:55] <im_ka> Rob|Linux what r the issues?
[10:56] <crisp> djtansey: that's odd, i'm trying to find out a way to add a live bookmark and specify location of rss feed then, but ive always done it via that icon which you dont have :/
[10:56] <Rob|Linux> just wondering how do you ugprade
[10:56] <djtansey> crisp: i read on mozilla that you could say "file->new live bookmark" but i don't have it
[10:56] <shoka> Anybody running on a dual processor setup?
[10:56] <granlatigo> crisp, wen will hoary be released?
[10:56] <djtansey> granlatigo: april i think.
[10:56] <crisp> 6 months from warty :)
[10:56] <granlatigo> lol..
[10:57] <crisp> yeh site says about then
[10:57] <crisp> but i'll be in australia
[10:57] <granlatigo> crisp, and Warty was released?.. ok there i go
[10:57] <crisp> so *shrugs*
[10:57] <crisp> lol
[10:57] <GFXstyLER> hi
[10:58] <djtansey> Rob|Linux: once hoary is out you can edit your /etc/apt/sources.list (manually or by changing your "distribution" in synaptic) and then say reload and mark all upgrades and apply
[10:58] <hypa7ia> hey boys and girls, any reason why gnome automounting would stop working all of a sudden?
[10:58] <GFXstyLER> can someone help me with a problem with anjuta IDE ?
[10:58] <Rob|Linux> nice
[10:58] <zez> I'm having a problem running k3bsetup.  I keep getting the 'kdesu cannot connect to x server' and I've already tried xhost + localhost.  any other ideas?
[10:58] <Protege61891> how do you login as root. i know how to use sudo in command lines, but is there a way to login as root?
[10:59] <hypa7ia> Protege61891: sudo passwd <newrootpw>
[10:59] <hypa7ia> then login with that
[10:59] <shoka> sudo passwd root
[10:59] <Protege61891> ok
[10:59] <shoka> snap
[10:59] <Protege61891> ty
[11:00] <zez> nevermind I just fixed it
[11:03] <granlatigo> april 2005
[11:03] <granlatigo> wow
[11:05] <granlatigo> the only reason I want 1.0 is because 0.9.3 doen`t have locales Es (spanish) xpi
[11:05] <TerminX> does anyone know if the Xorg packages in Hoary will be rebuilt to support unicode?
[11:06] <TerminX> whenever my LANG is set to en_US.UTF-8 I get a bunch of Xlib errors when I run stuff
[11:06] <TerminX> setting it just to en_US makes it go away
[11:06] <granlatigo> I think I`ll continue improving my english....
[11:08] <epod> I hate when setting LANG to en_CA breaks stuff
[11:08] <epod> grr
[11:10] <crisp> does anyone know how to disable a pci sound card
[11:10] <epod> crisp: unplug it? :)
[11:11] <bkw-laptop> crisp, if you wanna _disable_ it, then unload the module.
[11:11] <crisp> im trying to avoid that, cause that means i have to pull out my computer, turn it off, open the case and take it out, etc - mission
[11:11] <crisp> i want to disable it because i think ive got a conflict with my onboard and pci sound
[11:12] <crisp> bkw-laptop, how
[11:12] <bkw-laptop> man modprobe
[11:12] <bkw-laptop> findout what module your card uses.
[11:13] <crisp> ok
[11:13] <zez> This is driving me crazy.  I can't seem to get ubuntu to see my cd burner
[11:13] <epod> crisp: you might also try editing /etc/modules
[11:13] <zez> I can't find a walkthrough on the site either
[11:13] <epod> zez: k3b or ubuntu?
[11:13] <epod> zez: does gnome cd burner thingy not tell you it's a blank cd when you insert one?
[11:13] <zez> both actually.  k3b for the moment
[11:13] <zez> I don't think so, let me check again
[11:14] <epod> k3b is way broken on 2.6.8, there's stuff about it on the ubuntu unofficial forums
[11:14] <zez> it showed up like that when I was running dropline gnome in slack
[11:14] <caleb_> is there not a gaim-devel package?
[11:14] <crisp> bkw-laptop: can modprobe tell me what module my card uses
[11:14] <epod> crisp: what kind of soundcard is the pci one?
[11:15] <KaZoW1234> anybody know how to use alien?
[11:15] <bkw-laptop> crisp, you use modprobe to load/unload modules.
[11:15] <KaZoW1234> I'm having trouble setting up a printer.
[11:15] <HcE> KaZoW1234: alien <file.rpm>
[11:15] <zez> nope, doesn't show up in gnome.  when I type cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom -scanbus  as user it see the burner
[11:15] <bkw-laptop> crisp, first do lspci and findout what card you've.
[11:15] <epod> zez: weird, when I insert a blank cd a window pops up with it
[11:15] <KaZoW1234> I run alien, with the '-i', but nothing happens.
[11:15] <epod> zez: try right clicking ona  file and see if you can send it to cd..?
[11:15] <bkw-laptop> then do lsmod.
[11:16] <zez> epod: yep, thts what it did in slack
[11:16] <zez> nope
[11:16] <crisp> 0000:01:07.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10
[11:16] <zez> nope i can't right click and send to file I mean
[11:16] <epod> zez: did you muck with burner permission, or did k3bsetup?
[11:16] <zez> epod: its been like this since before I tried k3b
[11:16] <bkw-laptop> crisp, do lsmod now.
[11:16] <epod> strange.
[11:17] <KaZoW1234> anyone have a Lexmark E320 printer set up on ubuntu?
[11:17] <bkw-laptop> KaZoW1234, describe your problem instead. installing CUPS is a good start.
[11:17] <zez> epod: what should the permissions be?  let me check mine
[11:17] <KaZoW1234> cups is installed,
[11:18] <epod> zez: I couldn't say, I'm in XP at the moment.  Sorry :(
[11:18] <bkw-laptop> go through the web iface
[11:18] <zez> lol
[11:18] <crisp> bkw-laptop: what in lsmod am i looking for
[11:18] <KaZoW1234> but I have a laser, and it's not listed.
[11:18] <KaZoW1234> my root acc't is disabled.
[11:18] <epod> KaZoW1234: ubuntu comes that way
[11:18] <KaZoW1234> how do I enable it?
[11:18] <bkw-laptop> crisp, paste them i #flood
[11:18] <crisp> ok
[11:18] <KaZoW1234> I'm new to Linux, so you'll have to excuse me..
[11:19] <thrift> I think I am having a memory leak somewhere and I don't quite know how I qould find out what is causing it or what to do.  Can anyone help?
[11:19] <epod> KaZoW1234: no worries, just do stuff via sudo
[11:19] <zez> root root owns /dev/cdrom and root cdrom owns /dev/hdc
[11:19] <epod> thrift: are you trying to burn audiocds ?
[11:19] <thrift> epod: nope
[11:19] <KaZoW1234> ?? crisp, paste them i #flood ??
[11:19] <EdwardOG> Kazow is trying to set up his printer using cups' http://127.0.0.1:631 interface
[11:20] <thrift> My system just seems to get up to using a G of ram in a couple days.  I've only had ubuntu installed for about 2 weeks, and it's been going on since I instaleld as far as I can tell
[11:20] <epod> thrift: which kernel?
[11:20] <thrift> epod : Linux Io 2.6.8.1-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:20] <HrdwrBoB> thrift: what seems to be using all the ram?
[11:21] <crisp> bkw-laptop: did u get that?
[11:21] <bkw-laptop> use the url I pasted.
[11:21] <epod> thrift: that kernel doesn't support 1gb of ram by default, try i686-smp
[11:21] <bkw-laptop> pick plain text
[11:22] <epod> thrift: apt-get install linux-686-smp
[11:22] <thrift> hrdwrbob: nothing, that's the strange thing.  Using the gnome system monitor, resident memory is always low, but Memory starts to go up for all proccesses, like I had gaim using over 80M of ram.
[11:22] <thrift> epod : Is there a better choice, I'm not smp.
[11:22] <crisp> bkw-laptop: paste the url again sorry
[11:22] <bkw-laptop> paste the lines priv to me.
[11:22] <epod> thrift: won't make a difference, smp kernel works UP as well, but supports 1gb and more of ram
[11:23] <thrift> epod: ok, I'll try that, but what about the amd kernel, would that work for this too, or is it's ram support under a G also
[11:23] <epod> thrift: I really don't know, I have a P4
[11:23] <epod> sorry
[11:23] <thrift> epod: I'll try smp then
[11:23] <thrift> epod : ill this install sources too, I have hpt374 and need to recompiile the module
[11:24] <thrift> will this install sources too?*
[11:24] <epod> thrift: um.. I have no idea.  lol
[11:24] <thrift> ok, no problem, I'll lok into it
[11:24] <epod> I haven't had to compile a custom kernel on ubuntu
[11:25] <KaZoW1234> I have 1.5GB of ram and I'm using the latest 686 kernel...  should I change the the smp kernel?
[11:25] <thrift> epod: I don't compile custom kernel either, just module
[11:25] <crisp> bkw-laptop:
[11:25] <crisp> http://bargainhost3.bargainhosts.co.uk/~bionicha/lsmod
[11:25] <epod> KaZoW1234: I don't belive the stock 86 kernels support > 1gb ram, but I may be wrong.
[11:25] <KaZoW1234> also, can anyone tell me how to activate the root acc't?
[11:25] <epod> KaZoW1234: sudo passwd root
[11:25] <thrift> epod : I believe hearing the 386 did not
[11:26] <crisp> yeh 386 has a maximum of 900Mb ram
[11:26] <epod> thrift: *nod*
[11:26] <bkw-laptop> crisp, that url doesnt resolv here, I told you to paste it priv to me.
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> KaZoW1234: you don't need to 'activate' it
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> KaZoW1234: sudo -s will get you a shell
[11:26] <thrift> so hopefully that's all that's causing my problems
[11:26] <KaZoW1234> when I run the sys. man. it crisp, paste them it says I'm using x of 1012 mb.
[11:26] <EdwardOG> Kazow, can you tell us more about your problem?
[11:26] <HrdwrBoB> sudo command will run the commant
[11:26] <EdwardOG> Can you set up your printer properly using the gui-method?
[11:27] <KaZoW1234> I cannot set up a printer...  I used the GUI CUPS interface, but my printer is not listed.
[11:28] <KaZoW1234> when I use one that is listed as 'compatiple',  it will not prin my document.. it just sits in the print tray
[11:28] <EdwardOG> can you print by using the command line?
[11:29] <KaZoW1234> I can, but anything fomr openoffice, firefox, or anything more complicated than command line will not work.
[11:30] <KaZoW1234> can anyone help me?
[11:31] <epod> Sorry mate, I have no clue.
[11:31] <KaZoW1234> I have a term paper due tmrw, and now way to print it...
[11:31] <HrdwrBoB> what printer?
[11:32] <KaZoW1234> Lexmark E320
[11:33] <KaZoW1234> I was reading, and the Lexmark site has a red hat driver, so I thought maybe I could use alien?
[11:33] <Protege61891> epod: I tried editing XF86Config-4 to allow my res to go to 1152x864 but nothing changes
[11:33] <epod> Protege61891: did you remove the other resolutions?
[11:34] <thrift> protege61891, if you're monitor can do that res, do you have the right vert refresh and horiz freq in xf86config?
[11:34] <Protege61891> you mean delete the other two res options and leave only one?
[11:34] <epod> KaZoW1234: maybe
[11:35] <Protege61891> I know the refresh is right and my monitor can hadle that res
[11:35] <thrift> protoge, that doesn't seem wise, is your highest res the whole way on the left of the list
[11:35] <unperson> When adding the marillat repository, is it proper to use testing or unstable?
[11:35] <Protege61891> yes
[11:35] <epod> KaZoW1234: http://www.linuxprinting.org/pipermail/lexmark-list/2003q1/001631.html
[11:35] <Protege61891> thrift
[11:35] <epod> unperson: you using hoary or warty?
[11:35] <KaZoW1234> I already ran the patch...
[11:35] <thrift> If it's on the left and you're getting a lower mode, it is trying that res and failing to the lwoer res
[11:35] <unperson> epod, Ah, sorry, warty.
[11:36] <KaZoW1234> but it still doesn't list my printer.
[11:36] <epod> KaZoW1234: did you restart your cups server?
[11:36] <Protege61891> thrift: no it wont even display the res i input as an option
[11:36] <KaZoW1234> yes...  even rebooted to make sure
[11:36] <epod> KaZoW1234: doublecheck it?
[11:36] <thrift> protege: where won't it display it?
[11:36] <KaZoW1234> doublecheck what?
[11:37] <Protege61891> when i go to computer>system config> screen res
[11:37] <thrift> protege: have you restarted X?
[11:37] <Protege61891> negative
[11:37] <thrift> protege: it's very possible you will have to do that
[11:37] <Protege61891> ill try it
[11:38] <Protege61891> brb
[11:38] <thrift> protege logging out and back in will work fine
[11:39] <unperson> epod, So I take it use testing for warty and unstable for hoary?
[11:39] <epod> unperson: yeah
[11:42] <fissy> how can i see what daemons are listening on eth0 using netstat?
[11:42] <tidalwav> I just accidentally destroyed my XF86Config-4
[11:42] <tidalwav> file
[11:42] <epod> KaZoW1234: double check that you applied the port correctly
[11:42] <fissy> which*
[11:42] <tidalwav> does anyone have an unmodified version they could upload to my FTP server?
[11:42] <epod> tidalwav: run xf86cfg then, make a new one.
[11:42] <tidalwav> I did
[11:42] <tidalwav> it didn't work
[11:43] <tidalwav> :(
[11:44] <Protege61891> thrift: that worked
[11:44] <thrift> protege: :)
[11:45] <EdwardOG> Ubuntu doesn't use xorg?
[11:45] <crimsun> Hoary does. Warty does not.
[11:46] <EdwardOG> Thanks
[11:46] <sladen> EdwardOG: warty uses a forked version of XFree with about 280,000 lines of patches
[11:47] <tidalwav> I have to eat dinner
[11:47] <tidalwav> if anyone has ubuntu's default Xconfig file please upload it to the FTP server located at tidalwav1.no-ip.com
[11:47] <tidalwav> thanks a lot in advance :p
[11:54] <BeanDip> anyone using hoary run into a problem installing k3b?
[11:54] <BeanDip> I keep seeing a conflict when installing kcontrol which k3b depends on
[11:56] <tidalwav> bk
[11:56] <tidalwav> so no one has the default xconfig file? :( Now I have to reformat for no reason
[11:56] <BeanDip> tidalwav, that's drastic
[11:56] <Lathiat> tidalwav: Whats the problem?
[11:57] <crimsun> generate one using xf86config or xorgconf depending on whether you're using warty or hoary
[11:57] <BeanDip> reformat over a missing xconfig script
[11:57] <BeanDip> might as well just run winblows if that's your modus operandi
[11:57] <b_e_n_z> tidalwav, huh? just create a new one
[11:58] <tidalwav> I tried three times
[11:58] <tidalwav> it's not working :(
[11:58] <BeanDip> anyone running hoary using kde or using k3b?
[11:58] <b_e_n_z> tidalwav, what isn't working
[11:58] <Lathiat> tidalwav: try (as root in sudo -s): md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum; dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg
[11:59] <Lathiat> ack
[11:59] <Lathiat> thats wrong
[11:59] <Lathiat> thats xorg
[11:59] <tidalwav> yeah
[11:59] <Lathiat> hangon
[11:59] <Lathiat> x/xorg/xfree
[11:59] <Lathiat> oh wait
[11:59] <Lathiat> are you on warty or hoary?
[11:59] <tidalwav> I tried installing NVIDIA drivers, and it killed my X configuration
[11:59] <tidalwav> warty :)
[11:59] <Lathiat> so replace the last xorg with xfree86
[11:59] <tidalwav> don't even know where hoary is available
[11:59] <tidalwav> okay