thomquite possibly the former12:01
pittiHi thom! Just to let you know, I asked elmo to sync all firefox l10n packages from sid, to have up-to-date 1.0 versions. Warty's version did not have any ubuntu specific changes12:01
mdz...leading me to review the ubuntu diff12:01
thomthere are a bunch of patches that may well need review and updating for 1.012:01
mdzwhich is buried in autogenerated cruft12:01
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thomwhich you can safely drop if you just want to drop in the branding changes, and i can review when i get back12:02
thompitti: rock12:02
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thompitti: last i looked there was only one 1.0 pack, so i guess that'sd change? :-)12:02
mdzthom: where did this pango stuff come from?12:03
mdzI'm not even sure what high-level changes are supposed to be in this diff beyond the branding stuff; I'd need to dig up a copy of the pre-0.9.3-reverted changelog12:04
pittithom: I saw several packs12:06
pittithom: however, I still see -ubuntu versions, so something might have went wrong with the sync12:06
pittithom: or debian's version was even older; however, the 0.9.3 version just crashes, so it was not useful anyway12:06
pittithom: but I need these 1.0 versions to do Ubuntu language packs12:06
thommdz: the pango stuff is stolen from redhat; i'm still unsure if we want to keep them12:06
thompitti: yeah, only 1.0 packs are useful, anything older is not useful12:06
mdzthom: sure, but even less certain is how it colud possibly affect the defaults.ini stuff12:07
thomit can't - it's not even enabled unless you pass firefox an env var12:07
mdzso I've read through the entire ubuntu diff and I find no possible way it is causing this problem12:08
mdzleaving "mdz's build environment is subtly b0rked" and "sunspots"12:08
mdzmaybe I should just upload the source and see if it happens with the buildd binaries :-P12:08
pittithom: 5 packs are 1.0, 4 are older (still ubuntu versions)12:09
thommdz: hrm12:10
thommdz: are you on amd64 by any chance?12:11
mdzthom: nope12:12
Mithrandirthom: the libc fix worked for you, didn't it?12:17
thomMithrandir: yes12:17
thomMithrandir: but firefox without patches unsets gcc and g++ in some directories12:20
thomum, CC and CXX12:21
thomso you get some libraries built with 3.3 on amd6412:21
Mithrandirthat's soooo crackful.12:21
thomwhich causes firefox to segfault12:21
thomwas wondering if that was what mdz was seeing12:21
Mithrandirbut why does it touch CC and CXX at all?12:21
thomthey haven't bothered integrating security/ with the autoconf system12:22
Mithrandirthere's really no reason for a Makefile to override CC and CXX12:26
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shayathom: do you have any way to test NetworkManager w/ madwifi?01:19
shayahave any clue why it would cause my device to constantly scan?01:20
bob2how does on get the networkmanager applet to appear?01:21
thombob2: one runs NetworkManagerInfo01:21
thomshaya: fraid not, check the mailing list though01:22
bob2thom: hm, did that, but nada01:22
thomyou have a notification area?01:23
thomis NMI running?01:26
bob2when I restarted hal it said it was starting networkmanager01:28
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thomso you should have NetworkManager, NetworkManagerInfo, and NetworkManagerNotification running01:31
thomall three? and nada?01:32
thomkillall NetworkManagerInfo01:32
bob2hm, killall doesn't work for some reason, but after killing the pid it respawns01:34
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thomand you still have no notification icon?01:35
thomyou suck01:35
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nasdaq4088i want to create an attractive user interface for one of my programs - does anyone know where i can find nice icons, tutorials, toolbars etc. ?01:38
nasdaq4088for developers01:38
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robertjany news on the new software installation program for horary?02:53
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jdubrobertj: apt-get install gnome-app-install03:03
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sivangjdub : wow, koool03:05
robertjI like03:06
chrisaIs that to replace synaptic?03:07
robertjchrisa, not its a supplament03:07
robertjerr, no it's a supplament03:07
robertjHow do those menus get populated03:08
robertj.desktop files03:09
mdzjdub: rad03:09
mdzjdub: when did that get uploaded?03:09
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jdublate last week03:09
jdubdidn't want to announce just yet :)03:10
robertjthe interface is good but it still doesn't really help bring third party developers into the fold03:10
jdubrobertj: that'll come.03:10
jdubrobertj: it's not an important initial use case.03:10
mdzgah, must have been during my mail blackout03:11
jdubmdz: what happened?03:11
robertjI dunno, to me it seems like thats the major reason to have a way to install software03:11
robertjReally, these days most people could just do a full install on their 80 gig hd and be done03:11
bob2you can't do full installs of debian or ubuntu03:12
mdzjdub: a conspiracy of procmail to eat my mail for ~12 hours03:12
mdza conspiracy of procmail and bogofilter, really03:13
jdubmdz: ber, fascist.03:13
robertjbob2: drat those packages with exclusions!03:13
mdzbogofilter shat itself over libdb03:13
jdubbogofilter changed parameters again, was it that?03:13
jdubvery bong03:13
mdzof course, i have procmail set up to deal with that03:13
mdzbut then, I also have a duplicate filter early on in procmail03:13
mdzso the mail all got queued03:13
mdzand then dutifully fed back into procmail for a second try03:13
mdzwhere it was dropped as a duplicate :-)03:14
elmo__you drop duplicates?03:14
mdzI appear to have forgotten to test that particular bit of logic03:14
mdzoh hell yes03:14
mdzotherwise I would drown03:14
elmo__well I filter them, I just don't drop them03:14
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tsenghm i put them in their own dir03:14
tsengbut, how do you easily send things back through procmail?03:14
bob2or bounce it to yourself03:15
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elmo__meh, wacky - the trackpad reverts back to bong-smoking tap-to-frustrate mode after resume03:16
bob2hah, yeah, you need to restart pbbutonsd03:16
elmo__is there a hook to do that?03:18
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bob2Ithink you can hook in with /etc/power/README, but I've not tried it03:20
bob2ooh, fandoozy03:20
tsengerm, this seems not right03:23
tsengwhen i mark the contents of a maildir as spam to bogofilter, the good word list goes down03:24
tsengand vice versa03:24
robertjjdub: but thanks for the tidbit ;)03:31
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=== sid77 ciao
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pittiHi seb128!09:34
seb128hey pitti !09:34
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fabbioneok guys.. regexp question:10:25
fabbioneH: Handlers=mouse0 event1 ts010:25
fabbionethis is a line to parse10:25
fabbionei want to extract only the eventN10:26
fabbioneand N can be from 0 to whatever10:26
fabbionesed -e 's/.*event\(.*\)/event\1/g10:26
fabbionewith this one i can kill everything before event10:26
fabbionehow do i kill the rest?10:26
fabbionelike " ts0" ?10:26
danielssed -e 's/^.*\(event[^ ] *\) .*$/\1/10:28
fabbionethanks :-)10:30
danielsno worries10:30
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danielsKamion: dude!10:55
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smurfixKamion: Consider yourself lucky you didn't have a two-week vacation.  :-/11:29
Kamionyeah :-/11:29
danielsKamion: how was it?11:33
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Kamiondaniels: good weekend, yeah, though kinda family overload :)11:36
smurfixOn your side, or the rest of the family's?  ;-)11:36
Kamionprobably my side; first exposure to the bulk of the out-laws11:37
danielsKamion: ah11:37
danielsKamion: locally, or did you jet off somewhere?11:38
Kamionfew hours' drive11:38
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pittiHi sivang!12:16
sivangHey pitti12:16
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danielsanyone here familiar with nVidia stuff?  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=754 doesn't show any network controller at all, yet he has a forcedeth card12:46
amudaniels: looks for me in this way, kernel doesnt support his networkcard, probably with the driverloader he can try to load the win-driver 01:01
danielsamu: um, I did the research01:03
danielsif forcedeth in the kernel doesn't support it, then there's a patch we can apply to make it work01:03
danielsso if forcedeth doesn't work, I'll reassign to linux and ask Herbert to integrate the patch01:04
Kamiondaniels: it's incorrectly showing up as "bridge"01:04
Kamionit's the 0000:00:05.0 entry01:04
Kamiona.k.a. 10de00df01:05
danielsKamion: mmm, yeah01:09
danielsKamion: hence 00df now has bridge and ethernet entries pointing to forcedeth01:09
elmoKamion: dude, I know you're a n00b at creating them, but it's 'Section: debian-installer' for udebs, k? ;-P01:11
Kamionelmo: d'oh01:11
Kamionwillfix :)01:11
danielsKamion: do you have any pending d1-data changes?01:13
Kamionelmo: -3 uploaded01:13
Kamiondaniels: nope01:13
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danielsKamion: stole some of your d1-data bugs, hope you don't mind01:21
daniels(about to fix two d1-data bugs in an upload, closed one as a sync fixed it, reassigned another)01:21
Kamionnot in the least :)01:25
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haggaiDoes the wiki registration reject @debian.org addresses?01:41
KamionI thought there were at least a few Canonical people who'd used @debian.org addresses for the wiki ...02:19
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Kamiondebian-cd knows how to build CDs full of source packages that correspond to a particular binary CD02:33
Kamionmaking it build CDs full of the source packages for all the binary CDs we build may be a little bit more challenging02:33
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fabbionedaniels: any objection to upload xorg 1ubuntu3?03:07
danielsfabbione: with what changes?  i have a few local changes I need/would like to finish off03:07
fabbionedaniels: with what it's in baz now03:07
KamionKeybuk: s/occured/occurred/ in your merge-o-matic reminder mail please03:07
fabbionewhat changes do you have?03:08
KeybukKamion: can I not spell? :p03:09
Kamionnope O:-)03:09
KeybukI nearly always get that one wrong03:10
robtayloramu: ping?03:10
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Mitariolo all03:16
haggaiKamion: hmm, the website said the email was invalid but I got a confirmation mail anyway..03:18
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Mitariomdz, here?03:36
pittisjoerd: Hi!03:37
danielsMitario: doubt it, it's still very early in his timezone03:38
danielsKeybuk: Referer03:38
sjoerdpitti: morning :)03:38
Mitariodaniels, ah, ok, thanks03:38
pittisjoerd: I wrote a pmount-hal wrapper03:38
pittisjoerd: and added --noatime to pmount03:38
pittisjoerd: now I try to modify the storage policy without touching /usr/share/hal03:38
pittisjoerd: your patch should it make possible to write them into /etc/hal/fdi, right?03:39
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pittisjoerd: if I put a new policy into /etc/, will it be executed after everything in /usr/share/hal?03:41
Keybukdaniels: occurred doesn't *quite* follow the ordinary English rules of when do double letters03:43
Kamiondaniels: (you know that's a typo in HTTP, right?)03:44
danielsKamion: yah :)03:45
Kamionjust checking :)03:45
danielswhich makes me laugh03:45
Keybukdaniels: refer-rer ... follows the rules, you have to slightly double the pronounciation of the 'r'03:46
Keybukoccurred always bites me because it's oc-curred not, oc-cur-red03:47
pittisjoerd: I created a file /etc/hal/fdi/ubuntu-storage-policy.fdi, but it does not get executed :-(03:48
pittisjoerd: I even removed /usr/share/.../storage-policy.fdi03:48
sjoerddoes the trace say it's parsed ?03:48
pittiI check03:48
pittiah, good hint03:49
pittiXML structure error03:49
pittisjoerd: ah, how nice! Now it works03:51
pittisjoerd: I forgot to enclose everything in <device>03:51
sjoerdah :)03:52
pittisjoerd: before I release new versions, I'd like to add device symlink scanning 03:52
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pittisjoerd: this could be a good idea03:53
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pittisjoerd: essentially it should be enough to compare the realpath()s of the given and the fstab device, right?03:53
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sjoerdgiven vs. fstab, realpath(given) vs realpath(fstab) is enough i guess03:56
pittisjoerd: exactly03:56
pittisjoerd: currently, I only compare realpath(given) against fstab03:56
pittiall this stuff begins to work really smoothly now :-)03:57
sjoerdnice 03:57
sjoerdtoday i'm playing mostly with new stuff (new server, usb/firewire hd enclosure)03:58
pittisjoerd: pmount-hal is a simple shell script BTW03:58
pittisjoerd: oh, have fun :-)03:58
sjoerdmaybe tonight, but probably tomorrow i'll start adapting the debian package03:58
pittisjoerd: I can probably upload pmount_0.4 today03:58
sjoerdthat would be very nice03:59
pittisjoerd: and I will prepare an updated g-v-m which uses pmount-hal03:59
pittisjoerd: btw, could you already look into adding a hotplug script for lazy unmounting?03:59
sjoerdi was planning to do that03:59
sjoerdprobably an dev.d script is better (and easier)04:00
pittifor udev?04:00
pittisjoerd: I'd like to change the boring /media/sda1 mount points to be /media/<device label> if a label is present04:12
pittisjoerd: do you do this for Debian as well?04:12
pittisjoerd: or do you want to use an external database?04:12
sjoerdpitti: isn't that already the case04:12
pittisjoerd: not in Ubuntu04:12
pittisjoerd: but it's easy to integrate into pmount-hal04:12
pittisjoerd: right now, g-v-m did not supply a device label to pmount04:12
sjoerdthe fdi files set that up in the policy database already.. so i guess it's best to use that04:13
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pittisjoerd: you mean volume.policy.desired_mount_mount?04:15
pittisjoerd: s/mount$/point/04:15
pittisjoerd: the problem is that some of my (untitled) partitions have desired_mount_point == "usbdisk"04:15
pittisjoerd: is it guaranteed that hal will not assign the same desired_mount_point twice?04:17
pittisjoerd: because the policy file does nothing to prevent duplicates04:17
sjoerdpitti: don't think so04:18
sjoerdhow does pmount normally handle it if you give it a label that already exists04:18
pitti$ pmount /dev/sda5 foo04:18
pittiError: directory /media/foo already contains a mounted file system04:18
pittithe only sane thing to do at this level04:19
pittibut the default fallback of "usbdisk" is a very bad design IMHO04:19
pittiit should just be empty if there's no label04:19
pittior at least unique04:19
pittisjoerd: it would be easy just to delete these two lines from storage-policy.fdi04:20
pittisjoerd: but we should probably agree to a solution for both Debian and Ubuntu04:21
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sabdflKamion: how do i make rsync use ssh's ProxyCommand from ~/.ssh/config?04:32
mojo_1anyone here try gnome-screensaver 0.2???04:33
elmosabdfl: nothing - it will automatically04:34
elmoerr, as long as you're doing '-e ssh' ...04:34
sabdflelmo: hmm... doesn't seem to be04:34
Kamionyeah, what he said04:34
Kamionelmo: could I have the build-deps of cdrtools on little? I'd like to experiment with JTE04:34
mojo_1darn, the **** gnome-screensaver screwed up my box04:35
Mithrandirsabdfl: make sure that the host name you are using is the same as you have specified on the command line is  the same as the Host line in ssh's config file.04:35
Kamionsabdfl: does ssh to that host use the ProxyCommand? and are you using precisely the same hostname as lives in ~/.ssh/config?04:35
elmoKamion: what's JTE need the build-deps for?04:36
Kamionelmo: need to build a patched mkisofs04:36
sabdflthanks guys, the config used a shortname, and it works with that04:36
Kamionelmo: if you'd rather I built it elsewhere and copied the binary over, I can do that04:37
elmokamion: if you don't mind, that'd be nicer for me04:37
KamionI've started to build source CDs now after John started bringing up GPL clauses on the mailing lists, and jigdo's now beginning to exceed my patience threshold04:38
sjoerdpitti: there is also no guarantee you don't have two usb disks with the same label04:38
pittisjoerd: hmm, right04:40
pittisjoerd: so I guess i just ignore the label if the directory is already present04:40
sjoerdpmount could add -1 to the suggested label if the directory is already there04:41
Kamionhoary source spills over onto *three* CDs04:41
pittior this04:41
sjoerdi think adding a number makes a more recognizable name04:42
azeemone small question: are the release managers by definition part of the technical board, or does the technical board appoint them, not necessarily being from the board?04:43
KamionI'm not sure it's got that formal04:43
mojo_1check this bug04:46
mojo_1is it fixed?04:46
Kamionwhy me? I don't do anything firefoxish04:46
mojo_1who maintain firefox?04:47
azeemKamion: you have the same haircolor04:47
mojo_1or seb128?04:47
Kamionmojo_1: don't hunt down individual developers, use bugzilla for bugs04:47
azeemhaircolour, sorry04:47
mojo_1this bug is easily to fixed04:47
Kamionmojo_1: use bugzilla, *please*04:47
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lupus_Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer)04:48
lupus_are there problems with the hoary repository? or the server?04:48
mojo_1lupus_: mate, its not@04:48
mojo_1lupus_: it's ur ISP prob04:48
Kamionmojo_1: (but check if it's already filed first, obviously)04:48
pittisjoerd: I now implemented an iteration over <label>-n, works nicely04:51
sjoerdpitti: cool04:56
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Kamionpitti: that 19_typos patch to cdrecord patches a file which is actually a symlink in the original tarball; it confuses dpkg-source amusingly under some circumstances05:05
pittiKamion: odd; it worked fine for me, but sorry if I messed up anything05:06
KamionI think you have to be patching and unpatching a few times05:06
Kamionno worries, just noticed locally05:07
seb128hello mdz 05:13
pittiHi mdz!05:14
lupus_how can I see which packages ubuntu-desktop depends on?05:21
Kamionapt-cache show ubuntu-desktop05:21
mdzmvo_: how I had always envisioned it was to have a list05:30
mdzmvo_: e.g., search first for bzip2, then gzip05:30
elmosomeone promised me apt already did that05:31
elmoit's the only reason Packages.bz2 exists.  and if I can ever remember who that someone is, I'm going to beat them05:31
mvo_mdz: I can have a look how to implement your idea. the fact I like about the current patch is that it's so short :)05:33
mdzelmo: who did?05:33
mdzah, a mystery05:33
mdzelmo: debootstrap does that05:33
mvo_elmo: the Packages.bz2 is nice to have, it made testing the patch a lot simpler05:34
mdzmvo_: yes, but how many users could truly enable it?05:34
mdzmany users seem to have unofficial sources, and they probably do not have Packages.bz205:34
mvo_agreed. it will only work for "offical" sources for now05:34
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robtaylorhmm, how do i make myself a user page on the wiki?>05:37
robtaylormdz: how are the bofs going to be scheduled?05:39
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sivangrobtaylor : have you logged in already?05:47
robtaylorsivang: yep..05:48
sivangrobtaylor : use the buttom page input field,05:51
sivangrobtaylor : "new parent, name, replacement, subtopic: ..."05:51
sivangrobtaylor : put there the new page name etc.05:51
robtaylorsivang: where/what is 'buttom page input field'?05:53
sivanganybody know where is the wiki page for gnome-app-install, if any?05:54
sivangrobtaylor : login, go to main wiki page. scroll down till done,05:54
sivangrobtaylor : see there's a text input , with button attached to it's right?05:54
robtaylorsivang: nope, cant see it!05:55
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sivangrobtaylor : strange.05:55
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sivangrobtaylor : yes , do that.05:56
seb128elmo: abiword 2.1.96-1 (experimental) sync please06:09
elmoseb128: done06:10
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pittimdz: so can I publish libgd2 now?06:18
danielsSubject: 3D- C library06:34
danielsTo: debian-legal@lists.debian.org06:34
daniels      I am looking for a C code of a function able of obtaining the best06:34
daniels      fitting circle of a group of points in 3D.06:34
daniels      I have arrived to your web, but I cannot obtain the code from the06:34
daniels      web. I receive an error all the time. Could you send it t me?06:34
danielsagh, wrong window, sorry.  but enjoy the message anyway.06:34
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danielsshaya: he's not around for a while06:39
shayadaniels: do you use madwifi w/ your x40?06:40
danielsshaya: yah (fwiw, thom has ipw2[12] 00)06:41
danielsalways just worked out of the box for me06:41
shayayes, but he hacks NetworkManager06:41
shayadaniels: even w/ NetworkManager?06:41
shayaNetworkManager screws it up for me06:41
danielsmmm, sometimes it works06:41
danielswell, NM only works with wireless if you don't want to use anything else to manage it06:42
shayaI think it's becaues madwifi takes forever to return from the "iwlist scanning" operation06:42
danielser, can't reproduce here06:42
shayaiwlist ath0 scanning always works for you?06:42
danielsrunning iwlist ath0 scan, I usually get -EAGAIN once06:42
danielssometimes I get -EAGAIN, but when I run it again, it's fine06:42
shayayea, b/c it takes a while to return06:42
shayait timesout06:42
shayaI think that's the issue w/ NetworkManager06:43
shayabut unsure where it could be timing out06:43
shayacursory look over the code didnt see any timeouts06:43
shayadaniels: btw, how did madwifi work out of the box?  I just tried a warty cd, and it didnt seem to load madwifi drivers06:44
danielsshaya: ehm, just worked and loaded everything out of the box for me06:44
danielswhich model do you have? i have an nm06:44
shayawhat's "nm"?06:45
danielsshaya: the sub-model06:46
danielsso, it's like 234987234NM06:46
shaya0000:02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)06:46
danielsthe NM being the only one with bluetooth and .11abg until the week after I bought it06:46
daniels0000:02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01)06:46
shayayes, I have abg  +bluetooth06:46
shayalooks the same06:46
shayawarty autodetected it on install?06:46
Mithrandirjdub: prod?06:47
shayaI know debian's hotplug detects it fine if I install the drivers myself, but warty's debian-installer didnt load the modules06:47
shayadaniels: was it in install detected, or after install (i.e. restricted modules dpkg -i'd)06:47
danielsiirc it worked fine06:47
danielscan't remember off the top of my head, sorry, but I'm reasonably sure it worked during the install06:48
shayadidnt work for me on my dry run a few hours ago06:48
shayasucks for me06:49
shayanow on to Q2.  is the warty live cd good for installing?06:49
shayaor does one need the install cd for that?06:49
danielscan't install from the live cd at all iirc06:50
amudaniels: it's possible, but noone supports it, there's still a very bloody morphix installer 06:51
amuin theorie you install the deb and run the installer06:53
sivangis gnome-app-install available for warty also?06:54
amusivang: it is06:54
sivangamu : by the same sources?06:54
sivangamu : (of warty)06:54
sivangamu : k, thanks. 06:55
robtaylorshaya: as amu says, you can, but for god's sake, don't ;)07:00
amusivang: the saver way, create your partion cp * to it modify fstab and lilo | grub 07:03
robtaylorof course07:03
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daniels Jeff pointed out that this was still problematic because we can't expect07:26
danielsartists to upload to half a dozen sites. Maybe some kind of syndication07:26
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danielsquickest way to tell you how many a times a line occurs?07:31
danielse.g. foo, foo, foo, bar, bar, and baz, to print 3 foo, 2 bar, and 1 baz07:31
danielsfwiw, in my tests, we can basically start gdm as soon as we can07:32
Kamiondaniels: sort | uniq -d07:33
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Kamionsorry, -c07:33
danielsKamion: thanks07:36
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mdzpitti: I have no problems with libgd2, no09:03
mdzrobtaylor: how?09:04
pittimdz: thx09:06
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makocenerentola: whats up09:13
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hornbecksabdfl, mdz: either of you around?09:47
pittidoko: what do you want to sync from Debian that affects language packs?09:50
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mdzhornbeck: yes09:52
hornbeckmdz: who would I talk to about the bounties?09:54
mdzhornbeck: me09:54
hornbeckthe Ubuntu in a NutShell, what are you guys looking for09:54
mdzyou'll want to talk to jdub for the scope on that one09:55
lupus_is there a bug in the latest apt-get?09:55
mdzI believe he's already listed on the HoaryGoals page as the contact person09:55
hornbeckI was only told about the bounty, did not see it09:55
mdzlupus_: every non-trivial piece of software has bugs, so I think I can safely say "yes"09:55
hornbeckthanks for the info though09:55
lupus_Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/source/Release  Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer)09:56
lupus_since today I get this error09:56
lupus_only with the ubuntu repository09:56
mdzworks fine for me09:59
mdzthe usual cause for such problems is that your ISP has a broken transparent proxy10:00
lupus_is there a way to test if this is the case10:02
elmouse ftp10:03
rcaskey_Is there a listing of the bounty amounts?10:04
lupus_works now10:04
lupus_stupid ISP 10:04
mdzelmo: apt 0.5.30 with Packages.bz2 support uploaded for your enjoyment10:07
elmomdz: the list stuff, or the boolean?10:08
dokopitti: openoffice.org10:09
mdzelmo: tries .bz2, falls back to .gz10:09
elmothat's gonna suck on lowmem10:09
dokoelmo: please sync python2.3 from unstable10:09
elmolike "break install" suck10:09
pittidoko: I did not really start with the language packs because it still needs discussion, which I wanted to do in the TB meeting10:09
mdzelmo: we'll add an override if we need to10:09
elmo*shrug* K10:09
pittidoko: but if you could wait until tomorrow, then maybe one upload would be enough10:10
pittidoko: which syncs and contains the langpack patch10:10
pittidoko: BTW, will you sync 1.1.3?10:10
mdzelmo: next exciting agenda item is to work out the specifics of key management for Release.gpg10:10
dokopitti: and maybe it's worth getting in contact with haggai for 1.1.3 ...10:10
pittidoko: pleeeeeeease? :-)10:10
elmomdz: actually can you add an override anyway?  it's gonna suck on GB LANs too 1/2;)10:11
pittidoko: _rene_ and haggai already discussed a bit about this10:11
pittidoko: in fact the guys seem to be interested to adopt the patch for Debian, too10:11
mdzelmo: give it a try first, I'm interested in how it feels10:11
mdzfor me, there is no noticeable difference10:11
mdzthe decompression probably takes a bit longer, but it does that in parallel with downloading the next thing10:12
dokopitti: I reduced the OOo ubuntu diff from 250k to 10k, so it should be possible for you to start with the 1.1.3 package from experimental10:12
mdzelmo: hmm, that 0.5.30 upload is going to be rejected due to the usual s/unstable/hoary/ fuckup10:13
elmomdz: dude, you're unusually inept when it comes to target suites ;-)10:14
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pittidoko: so you will sync 1.1.3?10:15
mdzelmo: dude, it's debian-changelog-mode's fault10:15
mdzit should default to the one used in the previous upload, but it always seems to default to unstable10:15
pittidoko: I prepare a patch after TB, then I send it to you for inclusion10:15
pittidoko: it's only patching debian/control anyway10:15
elmomdz: the reason it doesn't is people kept making broken uploads to stable10:15
elmoor frozen or whatever.. very hysterical10:16
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mdzelmo: hmm, it would probably be pretty easy to fix dput to check and reject stuff like that10:21
dokodo we have some kind of interface like packages.debian.org to search for files in a package?10:26
dokofabbione, daniels: X11/extensions/XKBstr.h ?10:27
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danielsdoko: libxkbfile-dev10:33
dokodaniels: yes, found it. OOo needs it to build ... maybe some more packages10:33
danielsxlibs-static-dev is no more, do not b-d on it10:34
danielsditto xlibs-static-pic10:34
dokoX11/extensions/Xinerama.h the next ... is there a tool to grep the sources for header files and print out the package names they can be found in?10:35
danielsand not really, but I can keep telling you10:36
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dokodaniels: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXinerama_pic10:41
danielsdoko: s/_pic//10:47
dokoyes, any more libraries like this one?10:47
danielsothers to look out for include libXss-dev, libXxf86{dga,misc,rush,vm}, libXau, libXdmcp, er10:47
danielsa couple10:47
lamont_rdaniels: are all the .a's built -fPIC then, or are there only shared libs?10:48
danielslamont_r: there are both static and shared libs10:48
dokoxinerama is a shared lib10:48
danielsand there's also a static Xinerama now10:49
dokodaniels: maybe add a HOWTO-UPGRADE ...10:49
danielsdoko: better to fix it now though, since there will be missing b-ds10:49
danielsdoko: so I'd much rather a manual check on each package tbh10:49
dokoI started with the wrong package :-(10:50
lamont_rah, ok10:51
mdzdoko: regarding packages.d.o, we have Contents files10:51
amuyes ;) 10:52
lamont_rhrmpf brb10:56
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lamont_rmuch better11:01
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mdzelmo: can you promote anacron into main so I can upload ubuntu-meta?11:36
elmoI suppose I should do some seed syncage, but the diff got scary again11:37
elmolots of new stuff - I'm digging into it and sending mail now11:40
mdzfeel free to send me a raw copy of the output; I'll enlighten if I can11:40
pasc_btw, if you guys want to make any changes to anacron, its tla archive lives at http://www.redellipse.net/code/debian11:44
mdzpasc_: 40311:45
pasc_(*hint* *hint* ACPI *hint* *hint*)11:45
pasc_mdz: tla can read it fine11:45
pasc_the .listing is in there11:45
thombah, gaim Rendezvous is totally foobar11:48
elmoKamion: can you add grepmap-udeb to a seed if it's appropriate?11:48
elmomdz: oh, ok, assumed you'd think I was being slack.. *shrug* will do so in future :)11:49
elmomdz: should linux-tree be in a seed or universe?11:49
mdzelmo: I wouldn't mind if that stuff got automagically spit out to a web page, tbh11:49
mdzelmo: linux-tree should be in supported, I'll add it11:49
Mithrandirhmm, what is kernel-image-* doing in the repo?  Or is it just universe?11:50
mdzelmo: committed that change11:50
mdzMithrandir: it's only in warty/universe11:50
mdzhmm, actually it seems to still be there in hoary/universe11:51
Mithrandiryeah, I got it installed accidentially.11:51
mdzelmo: I thought we agreed they should be removed, or was that only excluding them from new imports?11:51
Mithrandirbroke lots of stuff.11:51
elmowhat kind of crack is germinate on?11:52
elmoash                              | dash                         | languagechooser (Build-Depend)    11:52
elmoBuild-Depends-Indep: dash | ash11:52
elmoand dash is in main11:52
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danielswhy b-d-i on dash|ash?11:53
elmodaniels: woody compat11:53
danielssurely you're screwed without a posix-compliant sh anyway ;)11:53
mdz./debian/changelog:  * Use dash or ash to check the scripts for parse errors at build time.11:53
Kamionmdz: ok for me to add grepmap-udeb to installer?11:53
danielselmo: mmm, but what dash accep ... ah, ok11:53
mdzKamion: certainly11:53
elmomdz: I blacklisted the list you gave me, but it was from exhaustive11:54
elmomdz: do you want me to blacklist+remove kernel-image-* ?11:54
mdzelmo: definitely kernel-*-2.2* and kernel-*-2.4*11:54
mdzI'm not entirely sure about having the most recent Debian kernel there11:55
mdzit seems useful11:55
mdzbut I'm not sure whether it outweighs the confusion11:55
elmosigh, germinate's lost it again, a bunch of the "binaries should be in main" are from or'ed deps like the above11:55
mdzKamion: mvo and elmo raised the question of Packages.bz2 vs. lowmem installs.  how much of a concern is that?11:57
Mithrandirwe don't really support lowmem installs, do we?11:58
Kamionwe do, assuming I remember to test it11:59
Kamionat least we shouldn't have particularly broken anything from Debian11:59
Mithrandiris it possible (in some sane way) to do automatic test installations using qemu or something?11:59
Kamionmdz: debootstrap already does bz2 handling, so I'd've thought lowmem installs would already be running into that11:59
KamionMithrandir: much better to have a machine with serial console access and remote reboot; see joeyh's fantastic d-i autotest setup12:00
mdzKamion: right, I wasn't sure if you overrode it somehow12:00
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Mithrandiryeah, I've read that.12:00

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