[12:01] quite possibly the former [12:01] Hi thom! Just to let you know, I asked elmo to sync all firefox l10n packages from sid, to have up-to-date 1.0 versions. Warty's version did not have any ubuntu specific changes [12:01] ...leading me to review the ubuntu diff [12:01] there are a bunch of patches that may well need review and updating for 1.0 [12:01] which is buried in autogenerated cruft === mdz pummels firefox [12:02] which you can safely drop if you just want to drop in the branding changes, and i can review when i get back [12:02] pitti: rock === chrisa [~chris@nullcode.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:02] pitti: last i looked there was only one 1.0 pack, so i guess that'sd change? :-) [12:03] thom: where did this pango stuff come from? [12:04] I'm not even sure what high-level changes are supposed to be in this diff beyond the branding stuff; I'd need to dig up a copy of the pre-0.9.3-reverted changelog [12:06] thom: I saw several packs [12:06] thom: however, I still see -ubuntu versions, so something might have went wrong with the sync [12:06] thom: or debian's version was even older; however, the 0.9.3 version just crashes, so it was not useful anyway [12:06] thom: but I need these 1.0 versions to do Ubuntu language packs [12:06] mdz: the pango stuff is stolen from redhat; i'm still unsure if we want to keep them [12:06] pitti: yeah, only 1.0 packs are useful, anything older is not useful [12:07] thom: sure, but even less certain is how it colud possibly affect the defaults.ini stuff [12:07] it can't - it's not even enabled unless you pass firefox an env var [12:07] right [12:08] so I've read through the entire ubuntu diff and I find no possible way it is causing this problem [12:08] leaving "mdz's build environment is subtly b0rked" and "sunspots" [12:08] maybe I should just upload the source and see if it happens with the buildd binaries :-P [12:09] thom: 5 packs are 1.0, 4 are older (still ubuntu versions) [12:10] mdz: hrm [12:11] mdz: are you on amd64 by any chance? [12:12] thom: nope [12:17] thom: the libc fix worked for you, didn't it? [12:17] Mithrandir: yes [12:20] Mithrandir: but firefox without patches unsets gcc and g++ in some directories [12:20] huh? [12:21] um, CC and CXX [12:21] so you get some libraries built with 3.3 on amd64 [12:21] that's soooo crackful. [12:21] which causes firefox to segfault [12:21] obviously. [12:21] was wondering if that was what mdz was seeing [12:21] but why does it touch CC and CXX at all? [12:22] they haven't bothered integrating security/ with the autoconf system [12:26] there's really no reason for a Makefile to override CC and CXX [12:27] no === herzi_lap [~herzi@c180014.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi_lap [~herzi@c141165.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [~herzi@c141165.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:19] thom: do you have any way to test NetworkManager w/ madwifi? [01:19] no [01:20] have any clue why it would cause my device to constantly scan? [01:21] how does on get the networkmanager applet to appear? [01:21] bob2: one runs NetworkManagerInfo [01:22] shaya: fraid not, check the mailing list though [01:22] thom: hm, did that, but nada [01:23] you have a notification area? [01:24] yeah [01:26] is NMI running? [01:28] yes [01:28] when I restarted hal it said it was starting networkmanager === enrico_away is now known as enrico [01:31] yup [01:31] so you should have NetworkManager, NetworkManagerInfo, and NetworkManagerNotification running [01:31] right [01:32] all three? and nada? [01:32] killall NetworkManagerInfo [01:34] hm, killall doesn't work for some reason, but after killing the pid it respawns === nasdaq4088 [sdfsd@tkp-ip-nas-1-p127.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:35] yup [01:35] and you still have no notification icon? [01:35] yup [01:35] you suck [01:36] true === elmo__ [~james@83.216.141.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] i want to create an attractive user interface for one of my programs - does anyone know where i can find nice icons, tutorials, toolbars etc. ? [01:38] for developers === elmo__ [~james@83.216.141.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chrisa [~chris@nullcode.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] any news on the new software installation program for horary? === jamesh [~james@203-59-50-191.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] robertj: apt-get install gnome-app-install [03:03] oooh === steved [~steve@static24-72-77-242.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:05] jdub : wow, koool [03:06] I like [03:07] Is that to replace synaptic? [03:07] chrisa, not its a supplament [03:07] err, no it's a supplament [03:08] How do those menus get populated [03:09] ahh [03:09] .desktop files [03:09] jdub: rad [03:09] jdub: when did that get uploaded? === robertj has mixed feelings [03:09] late last week [03:10] didn't want to announce just yet :) [03:10] the interface is good but it still doesn't really help bring third party developers into the fold [03:10] robertj: that'll come. [03:10] robertj: it's not an important initial use case. [03:11] gah, must have been during my mail blackout [03:11] mdz: what happened? [03:11] I dunno, to me it seems like thats the major reason to have a way to install software [03:11] Really, these days most people could just do a full install on their 80 gig hd and be done [03:12] you can't do full installs of debian or ubuntu [03:12] jdub: a conspiracy of procmail to eat my mail for ~12 hours [03:13] a conspiracy of procmail and bogofilter, really [03:13] mdz: ber, fascist. [03:13] bob2: drat those packages with exclusions! [03:13] bogofilter shat itself over libdb [03:13] bogofilter changed parameters again, was it that? [03:13] ahr [03:13] very bong [03:13] of course, i have procmail set up to deal with that [03:13] but then, I also have a duplicate filter early on in procmail [03:13] so the mail all got queued [03:13] and then dutifully fed back into procmail for a second try [03:14] where it was dropped as a duplicate :-) [03:14] heh [03:14] you drop duplicates? [03:14] I appear to have forgotten to test that particular bit of logic [03:14] oh hell yes [03:14] otherwise I would drown [03:14] well I filter them, I just don't drop them === jdub does too [03:14] hm i put them in their own dir [03:14] but, how do you easily send things back through procmail? [03:15] formail [03:15] or bounce it to yourself === tseng man's [03:16] meh, wacky - the trackpad reverts back to bong-smoking tap-to-frustrate mode after resume [03:16] hah, yeah, you need to restart pbbutonsd [03:18] is there a hook to do that? === dasenjo [~dasenjo@200.21.83.173] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:20] Ithink you can hook in with /etc/power/README, but I've not tried it [03:20] ooh, fandoozy [03:23] erm, this seems not right [03:24] when i mark the contents of a maildir as spam to bogofilter, the good word list goes down [03:24] and vice versa [03:31] jdub: but thanks for the tidbit ;) === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-15-46.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === George^Deka [~george@181.a.007.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz hugs the.earth.li for providing mozilla-firefox_1.0.orig.tar.gz so efficiently === jamesh [~james@203-59-50-191.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Bernhard [~bernhard@chello212186163163.32.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === moyogo [~moyogo@Toronto-HSE-ppp3717856.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hornbeck [~hornbeck@adsl-69-155-172-150.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === George^Deka [~george@121.a.007.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [~herzi@c141165.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sid77 [~sid77@host99-44.pool8020.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sid77 ciao === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:13] Hi! === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-2-173.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:29] morning === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-251-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:34] Hi seb128! [09:34] hey pitti ! === mvo_ [~egon@suprimo-183.ping.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ChrisH_ is now known as ChrisH [10:25] ok guys.. regexp question: [10:25] H: Handlers=mouse0 event1 ts0 [10:25] this is a line to parse [10:26] i want to extract only the eventN [10:26] and N can be from 0 to whatever [10:26] sed -e 's/.*event\(.*\)/event\1/g [10:26] with this one i can kill everything before event [10:26] how do i kill the rest? [10:26] like " ts0" ? [10:28] sed -e 's/^.*\(event[^ ] *\) .*$/\1/ [10:30] thanks :-) [10:30] no worries [10:32] *blink* === Astharot [~isager@82.52.100.151] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tuo2 [~foo@218.214.36.114] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === skyrider [~skyrider@kid.stu.cn.ua] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:46] buonanotte === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kamion claws his way back through a mountain of e-mail and IRC [10:55] Kamion: dude! === Safari_Al [~tr@ppp53-108.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:29] Kamion: Consider yourself lucky you didn't have a two-week vacation. :-/ [11:29] yeah :-/ [11:33] Kamion: how was it? === doko [doko@dsl-082-082-213-028.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:36] daniels: good weekend, yeah, though kinda family overload :) [11:36] On your side, or the rest of the family's? ;-) [11:37] probably my side; first exposure to the bulk of the out-laws [11:37] Kamion: ah [11:38] Kamion: locally, or did you jet off somewhere? [11:38] few hours' drive [11:38] cool === skyrider [~skyrider@kid.stu.cn.ua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === haggai [~halls@i-83-67-20-196.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [~sivang@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] Hi sivang! [12:16] Hey pitti === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Stove_Pipe [~zinc@ACC74B5D.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] anyone here familiar with nVidia stuff? https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=754 doesn't show any network controller at all, yet he has a forcedeth card [01:01] daniels: looks for me in this way, kernel doesnt support his networkcard, probably with the driverloader he can try to load the win-driver [01:03] amu: um, I did the research [01:03] if forcedeth in the kernel doesn't support it, then there's a patch we can apply to make it work [01:04] so if forcedeth doesn't work, I'll reassign to linux and ask Herbert to integrate the patch [01:04] daniels: it's incorrectly showing up as "bridge" [01:04] it's the 0000:00:05.0 entry [01:05] a.k.a. 10de00df [01:09] Kamion: mmm, yeah [01:09] Kamion: hence 00df now has bridge and ethernet entries pointing to forcedeth [01:11] Kamion: dude, I know you're a n00b at creating them, but it's 'Section: debian-installer' for udebs, k? ;-P [01:11] lol [01:11] elmo: d'oh [01:11] willfix :) [01:13] Kamion: do you have any pending d1-data changes? [01:13] elmo: -3 uploaded [01:13] daniels: nope === tuo [~foo@adsl-36-114.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] phat [01:21] Kamion: stole some of your d1-data bugs, hope you don't mind [01:21] (about to fix two d1-data bugs in an upload, closed one as a sync fixed it, reassigned another) [01:25] not in the least :) === Kamion OKs GNOME 2.8 for Debian unstable, and looks worried === tuo2 [~foo@adsl-36-114.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:41] Does the wiki registration reject @debian.org addresses? [02:19] I thought there were at least a few Canonical people who'd used @debian.org addresses for the wiki ... === Kamion thwacks debian-cd repeatedly while trying to build source CDs === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:33] hmmmm [02:33] debian-cd knows how to build CDs full of source packages that correspond to a particular binary CD [02:33] making it build CDs full of the source packages for all the binary CDs we build may be a little bit more challenging === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:07] daniels: any objection to upload xorg 1ubuntu3? [03:07] fabbione: with what changes? i have a few local changes I need/would like to finish off [03:07] daniels: with what it's in baz now [03:07] Keybuk: s/occured/occurred/ in your merge-o-matic reminder mail please [03:08] what changes do you have? [03:09] Kamion: can I not spell? :p [03:09] nope O:-) [03:10] I nearly always get that one wrong [03:10] amu: ping? === Mitario [~michiel@62.58.176.206] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:16] lo all [03:18] Kamion: hmm, the website said the email was invalid but I got a confirmation mail anyway.. === lemsx1 [~lemsx1@xd84b58f2.ip.e-nt.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128_ [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-8-246.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:36] mdz, here? [03:37] sjoerd: Hi! [03:38] Mitario: doubt it, it's still very early in his timezone [03:38] Keybuk: Referer [03:38] pitti: morning :) [03:38] daniels, ah, ok, thanks [03:38] sjoerd: I wrote a pmount-hal wrapper [03:38] sjoerd: and added --noatime to pmount [03:38] sjoerd: now I try to modify the storage policy without touching /usr/share/hal [03:39] nice [03:39] sjoerd: your patch should it make possible to write them into /etc/hal/fdi, right? [03:39] yeah === sid77_away yabooting ubuntu! [03:41] sjoerd: if I put a new policy into /etc/, will it be executed after everything in /usr/share/hal? [03:41] yes [03:43] daniels: occurred doesn't *quite* follow the ordinary English rules of when do double letters [03:44] daniels: (you know that's a typo in HTTP, right?) [03:45] Kamion: yah :) [03:45] just checking :) [03:45] which makes me laugh [03:46] daniels: refer-rer ... follows the rules, you have to slightly double the pronounciation of the 'r' [03:47] occurred always bites me because it's oc-curred not, oc-cur-red [03:48] sjoerd: I created a file /etc/hal/fdi/ubuntu-storage-policy.fdi, but it does not get executed :-( [03:48] sjoerd: I even removed /usr/share/.../storage-policy.fdi [03:48] does the trace say it's parsed ? [03:48] I check [03:49] ah, good hint [03:49] XML structure error [03:51] sjoerd: ah, how nice! Now it works [03:51] sjoerd: I forgot to enclose everything in [03:52] ah :) [03:52] sjoerd: before I release new versions, I'd like to add device symlink scanning === sid77 [~sid77@host98-44.pool8020.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:53] sjoerd: this could be a good idea === sid77 re [03:53] sjoerd: essentially it should be enough to compare the realpath()s of the given and the fstab device, right? === sivang is now known as sivang_away [03:56] given vs. fstab, realpath(given) vs realpath(fstab) is enough i guess [03:56] sjoerd: exactly [03:56] sjoerd: currently, I only compare realpath(given) against fstab [03:57] all this stuff begins to work really smoothly now :-) [03:57] nice [03:58] today i'm playing mostly with new stuff (new server, usb/firewire hd enclosure) [03:58] sjoerd: pmount-hal is a simple shell script BTW [03:58] sjoerd: oh, have fun :-) [03:58] maybe tonight, but probably tomorrow i'll start adapting the debian package [03:58] sjoerd: I can probably upload pmount_0.4 today [03:59] that would be very nice [03:59] sjoerd: and I will prepare an updated g-v-m which uses pmount-hal [03:59] sjoerd: btw, could you already look into adding a hotplug script for lazy unmounting? [03:59] i was planning to do that [04:00] probably an dev.d script is better (and easier) [04:00] for udev? [04:00] yeah [04:12] sjoerd: I'd like to change the boring /media/sda1 mount points to be /media/ if a label is present [04:12] sjoerd: do you do this for Debian as well? [04:12] l [04:12] sjoerd: or do you want to use an external database? [04:12] pitti: isn't that already the case [04:12] sjoerd: not in Ubuntu [04:12] sjoerd: but it's easy to integrate into pmount-hal [04:12] sjoerd: right now, g-v-m did not supply a device label to pmount [04:13] the fdi files set that up in the policy database already.. so i guess it's best to use that === lupus_ [~lupus@kn-ivl-2.kuleuven.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:15] sjoerd: you mean volume.policy.desired_mount_mount? [04:15] sjoerd: s/mount$/point/ [04:15] sjoerd: the problem is that some of my (untitled) partitions have desired_mount_point == "usbdisk" [04:17] sjoerd: is it guaranteed that hal will not assign the same desired_mount_point twice? [04:17] sjoerd: because the policy file does nothing to prevent duplicates [04:18] pitti: don't think so [04:18] how does pmount normally handle it if you give it a label that already exists [04:18] $ pmount /dev/sda5 foo [04:18] Error: directory /media/foo already contains a mounted file system [04:19] the only sane thing to do at this level [04:19] but the default fallback of "usbdisk" is a very bad design IMHO [04:19] it should just be empty if there's no label [04:19] or at least unique [04:20] sjoerd: it would be easy just to delete these two lines from storage-policy.fdi [04:21] sjoerd: but we should probably agree to a solution for both Debian and Ubuntu === mojo_1 [~mojo@220-244-212-78-vic.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:32] Kamion: how do i make rsync use ssh's ProxyCommand from ~/.ssh/config? [04:33] anyone here try gnome-screensaver 0.2??? [04:34] sabdfl: nothing - it will automatically [04:34] err, as long as you're doing '-e ssh' ... [04:34] elmo: hmm... doesn't seem to be [04:34] yeah, what he said [04:34] elmo: could I have the build-deps of cdrtools on little? I'd like to experiment with JTE [04:35] darn, the **** gnome-screensaver screwed up my box [04:35] sabdfl: make sure that the host name you are using is the same as you have specified on the command line is the same as the Host line in ssh's config file. [04:35] sabdfl: does ssh to that host use the ProxyCommand? and are you using precisely the same hostname as lives in ~/.ssh/config? [04:36] doh [04:36] Kamion: what's JTE need the build-deps for? [04:36] blush [04:36] elmo: need to build a patched mkisofs [04:36] thanks guys, the config used a shortname, and it works with that [04:37] elmo: if you'd rather I built it elsewhere and copied the binary over, I can do that [04:37] kamion: if you don't mind, that'd be nicer for me [04:37] ok [04:38] I've started to build source CDs now after John started bringing up GPL clauses on the mailing lists, and jigdo's now beginning to exceed my patience threshold [04:38] pitti: there is also no guarantee you don't have two usb disks with the same label [04:40] sjoerd: hmm, right [04:40] sjoerd: so I guess i just ignore the label if the directory is already present [04:41] pmount could add -1 to the suggested label if the directory is already there [04:41] hoary source spills over onto *three* CDs [04:41] or this [04:42] i think adding a number makes a more recognizable name [04:42] agreed [04:43] one small question: are the release managers by definition part of the technical board, or does the technical board appoint them, not necessarily being from the board? [04:43] I'm not sure it's got that formal [04:44] okie [04:46] ppl [04:46] Kamion [04:46] http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4412 [04:46] check this bug [04:46] is it fixed? [04:46] why me? I don't do anything firefoxish [04:47] who maintain firefox? [04:47] daniel? [04:47] jdub? [04:47] Kamion: you have the same haircolor [04:47] or seb128? [04:47] mojo_1: don't hunt down individual developers, use bugzilla for bugs [04:47] haircolour, sorry [04:47] this bug is easily to fixed [04:47] mojo_1: use bugzilla, *please* === sid77 [~sid77@host98-44.pool8020.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:48] ok [04:48] ok [04:48] Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer) [04:48] are there problems with the hoary repository? or the server? [04:48] lupus_: mate, its not@ [04:48] lupus_: it's ur ISP prob [04:48] mojo_1: (but check if it's already filed first, obviously) [04:48] k [04:51] sjoerd: I now implemented an iteration over