[12:01] gonna try [12:02] yep [12:02] last edited 7 hours ago by Alexey Molchanov [12:02] littlegreenman: can you load it? [12:02] yes, [12:02] shit [12:02] I try to sendnew version [12:02] but I can't [12:02] it's fine in my browaer [12:02] ??? ????????? ???????? ??????? [12:02] littlegreenman: thanks [12:02] ? [12:02] :D [12:03] hey littlegreenman [12:03] hello sivang [12:03] sivang: hi [12:03] skyrider, are you translating pages to russian ,or creating your own? [12:03] how are you? where from? (Hi Skyrider!) welcome to doc team channel [12:03] :) [12:03] littlegreenman: it's my own [12:03] i'm from portugal, been translating some wiki pages to portuguese [12:04] I'm also working on translations of other pages now [12:04] cool skyrider i just don't have the expertise... i am a translator, so help that way :D [12:05] what's up sivang [12:05] you're also a translator? spanish community? :) [12:05] Actually I don't have good writing skills too but somebody has to do it. So I try and hope community will help me fix my mistakes :) [12:06] :) portuguese though... no pt channel for ubuntu [12:06] yeah skyrider i know how you feel... [12:06] ah portugal, brazil, spain, italy..places to see..:) [12:06] then make up one! [12:06] i think if someone kickstarts it, then other feel the need to help as well [12:06] you shall be responsible for the channel [12:06] :) [12:06] sivang, i will feel lonely there :) [12:06] how does one reg the channel? [12:07] ah well, I can join in there also :) but I don't know portuguesse, although love it's sound. === littlegreenman lost his cigs [12:07] sivang, :D where u from? [12:07] to much trouble to whois you and nicer this way eheheh [12:08] Israel [12:08] littlegreenman: I can give you some cigs ;) [12:08] thank skyrider just found them [12:08] i feel the ubuntu wiki is not very geared towards newbies...... [12:08] I am a newbie myself in terms of linux, trying to translate that to my language [12:09] this is on the works, if you can suggest fixes etc, or even bug us on the mailing list that would be great. [12:09] sivang, would love to go to israel. have a good friend from there [12:09] you do? [12:09] I love to learn portougeese [12:09] (damn so many spelling mistakes) [12:09] ol [12:09] :D means hello [12:09] how do you say CHampaigne? [12:09] like the drink [12:09] :) === skyrider loves to learn English *cough* [12:10] sivang, the same way man... champagne... === sivang thinks skyrider knows english very well [12:10] What do you think about vodka? ;) [12:10] is it also the language spoken in brazil? [12:10] ah smirnov [12:10] :)) [12:10] yeah sivang [12:10] :) [12:10] there is a debate about that actually [12:10] cause is same lang [12:10] but they use it slightly differently [12:11] I like the language alot, watched "Presencia De Anita" , "Dona Flour" etc.. [12:11] actors like mel lisboa [12:11] :) [12:11] european portuguese and brazilian portuguese are more differente than british english and american english [12:11] sivang, :D wow! [12:11] brazilian has this whistelling sound! [12:11] it's more.... rythmic [12:11] yeah [12:11] and this legatto sounding [12:11] yes [12:11] have you seen... the city of god? [12:11] it's awesome [12:11] brazilian movie [12:11] city of god? [12:12] yeah [12:12] no, I will look for it on my DVD lib [12:12] very good.... [12:12] goona search imdb [12:12] 1 sec [12:13] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0317248/ [12:13] before we had mtv portugal, we would have the israeli one... many adds from your side of the world :D [12:17] I've just restarted firefox and now I can load my page. Horray!!! *dancing* [12:18] great skyrider [12:18] it was working fine on mine.... [12:18] i am loving this whole ubuntu experience [12:18] i have tried different linux distros... usually my brother would convince me.... [12:19] but finally something that a newbie like me can use.... [12:19] and with the whole power of linux [12:19] cool [12:20] I can't say I'm newbie but I like it very much [12:20] and constantly convincing my friends to it :) [12:20] (I mean Ubuntu) [12:20] ;) yeah i know... they are getting tired of me.... [12:21] sivang: ping [12:21] windows users need a system to work with no much hasle [12:21] as windows friendly as possible... i think ubuntu has that... i haven't been to xp for a few days now... [12:21] i can do my work here... [12:22] as well, if not better than with xp [12:22] littlegreenman: great [12:23] Unfortunaly I can't say the same about me [12:23] :( [12:23] how come? [12:23] yes [12:23] here [12:23] sorry, was busy [12:24] I have to use some proprietary progs to do laboratory works for the university [12:24] sivang: what about irc logs? [12:24] :( that sucks skyrider [12:24] littlegreenman: I know [12:24] oh, mako is working on this, let's see if I can bug him now (he's on NYC time) [12:25] skyrider, i only need office and a desktop environment for internet use... so i have all i need.... [12:25] sivang: yes [12:25] and the best thing is although it is kind of a slow machine it runs smoothly, something i coulnd't with xp [12:25] was already planing an upgrade [12:26] littlegreenman: it's good. I need Visual C++, Altera MAX+ 2, Xilinx ... [12:26] ... Enterprise Architect [12:26] etc. [12:26] ect... :D [12:27] littlegreenman: what machine do you have? [12:27] that was what i was gonna say [12:27] i am running: [12:27] CPU: AMD-K7(tm) Processor, 499.346MHz [12:27] RAM 192 MB [12:27] my friend just bought a few weeks ago a 3.2 Ghz Intel with 640 MB ram [12:28] not sure about ram [12:28] my xp config was already .................................................... [12:28] He-he. Mine is better: Duron 750, 256Mb RAM [12:28] :) [12:28] I have 2.6Gigs HT intel machine.. [12:28] littlegreenman: is your friend crazy? [12:28] ubuntu is great here [12:28] skyrider, it was a promotion... cheap cheap [12:28] EUR 999 [12:28] with a 19 in TFT monitor [12:29] or maybe 17 [12:29] waaawo! [12:29] not sure :D [12:29] in protugal? [12:29] littlegreenman: not bad ;) [12:29] yep sivang [12:29] pretty good [12:29] i know... but that is basically what you need to have a smooth xp experience.. which i don't have [12:29] I think I can buy such machine here (in Ukraine) even cheaper :-P [12:29] and i have a smooth ubuntu experience believe me.... [12:29] skyrider, ;) [12:29] linux is known to run better on less hardware then xp [12:30] i know sivang [12:30] and this one, it boots, and it just goes all so well [12:30] what adds did you get btw ? :) [12:30] it got all my HW... everything [12:30] what are you studying littlegreenman? [12:30] whay past that sivang :D i work.... [12:31] studied public relations [12:31] and now i am in the tourism business [12:31] and do translation [12:31] and do translations [12:31] you said something about HW that's why I asked. [12:31] hardware [12:31] :D sorry [12:31] ah [12:31] LOL [12:31] :) [12:32] littlegreenman: is a PR man. he-he :) [12:32] maybe you can be on the PR team or something :) === littlegreenman is a pr man alright [12:32] of ubuntu :D yeah... i have to tell you [12:32] yes [12:32] this is one sweet experience from a windows user perspective [12:32] everyone is saying, [12:32] oh it needs this [12:32] or still needs that [12:33] but for me... it's fine [12:33] the only problem is the world at large [12:33] for instance it's so easy to install whatever program you need [12:33] do a search on the net, and then execute it, i mean on windows [12:33] yes [12:33] it's way kool [12:33] on linux you use synaptic which is easy as hell [12:33] but there isn't the whole [12:33] cnet.com [12:34] download.com [12:34] etc etc etc etc [12:34] littlegreenman : I see your english is pretty fine, why don't you start a doc on the wiki about that? something of official nature? to act as a base for some PR and advocacy? [12:34] with loads and loads of progs [12:34] you could make it in other latin langs afterwards :) [12:34] that's a good idea... [12:35] i went to distrowatch yesterday [12:35] and ubuntu is right on top there with other more popular distros [12:35] ah nice, didn [12:35] but you google it and there isn't much.... [12:35] 'check them a while [12:35] it does need some publicity [12:36] and maybe it's just me, new to this whole thing, but there seems to be a buzz about the whole thing [12:37] no there is. It's one of the most spoken currently ,I think. [12:37] think so as well [12:38] there isn't much ubuntu specific help for windows switchovers though i feel === littlegreenman has his brother to help out [12:40] littlegreenman : actually, I have started http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/StartingTheJourney [12:41] is that yours? i did see it today.. didn't have time to read.... [12:41] that's very important... i don't know... but what 70% of computer users use windows based systems? [12:41] maybe more? [12:42] we need to convince these people that the windows system is substandard.... [12:42] that you don't need to keep on buying new hardware... upgrading... upgrading.... [12:43] there is out there software that does the same and more (if you want to look) for less [12:43] i actually wanted to learn more... about linux... any good resources? [12:45] actually, if you are interested in debina, [12:45] debian, [12:45] there a nice one somehwhere.. (looking) [12:46] http://www.wylug.org.uk/talks/1998/02/debian.html [12:46] gonna have a look sivang later thanks.... [12:47] http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/ [12:47] this is something AWESEOM for newbies [12:47] I really like it, [12:47] funny too [12:49] :D [12:50] this what i needed... gonna have a look, maybe incorporate some into the portuguese documentation wiki of ubuntu [12:50] thanks sivang [12:51] actually this document I am working is based on some amazing one by a nice peorson from ibm. [12:51] (the starting the joureny) [12:51] I am working on making it 'ubuntuized' [12:51] :) [12:52] that would be great [12:52] if you could have it in english also, [12:52] :) [12:52] that would be also good, [12:52] would provide a good ground for other translators maybe [12:53] english is the "world" language.... it's way important...... [12:53] and having one good document in english, means everyone could easly translate it into their languages..... [12:54] yes, I just said that :) [12:54] littlegreenman, what is your name btw? [12:54] (if you don't mind me asking) [12:55] diogo [12:55] :D [12:55] Diogo Heleno [12:55] i was just rephrasing what you said into my own words :D [12:55] ah cool [12:55] ;-) [12:55] after passing the littlegreenman siv :D [12:56] do u subscribe to the ubuntu doc mailing list? [12:56] yes, I do. were you posting there? [12:56] no no, subscribed today :D [12:57] cool.... i need to go... work very early tomorrow... but we need to get in touch... this whole newbie ubuntu thing is something that needs to be done... and maybe i can help u [12:58] no prob, yo can always mail the list, everybody here would be glad to help on that. [12:58] :) [12:58] mail the doc list, present yourself etc :) [12:59] yeah, might do that.... [12:59] laterz ! [12:59] ok, goodnight all gotta go [12:59] night [01:04] I'm back [01:04] yo dude [01:04] yo [01:04] congretz on the server [01:04] thanks [01:04] finally :) [01:04] it seems to be working good [01:04] how my package been treating you? [01:04] the gnome-docs? [01:04] yeppers [01:05] I have not started yet [01:05] no [01:05] I was about to start working on them [01:05] I meant, the yelp [01:05] :) [01:05] ohhh [01:05] that is great [01:05] :-) [01:05] could you believe this is one missing XSLT directive? [01:05] huh [01:05] what caused the bug.. [01:05] are you sending a fix upstream [01:05] or is it just Ubuntu? [01:06] Oh, the fix came from upstream, with whom I worked this out :) [01:06] nice [01:06] doing a great job you are [01:06] I hope :-) [01:06] I am not getting too much wiki work done though :( [01:07] I have not done wiki work in days really [01:07] I have just been doing outlines and stuff for this book [01:07] I don't think it will be what I wanted [01:07] but I think it will be a great thing for Ubuntu [01:07] oh! [01:07] I recalled now, [01:07] someone came here today, [01:07] was interested in the book [01:08] really [01:08] sirieously [01:08] yes, [01:08] I need to check the log [01:08] he wants to help out on this. [01:08] ncie [01:08] nice [01:08] I need some help [01:08] did you guys point him to the svn server? [01:08] robertj_afk now [01:09] ah, I didn't remember the url and loging stuff, so not :) [01:09] :( [01:09] you might want to msg him or something [01:10] cool I just read what he said [01:10] see what I meant? [01:10] :) [01:10] yeah [01:10] I really need seme help in parts [01:10] I figured [01:11] mainly the applications sections [01:11] I just don't have time to work through them [01:11] anyway, be back in 30 [01:11] ok [01:30] hello [01:48] Hello [01:50] hey enrico [01:50] I have my gpg key [01:50] seems like more and more people are getting interested in helping [01:50] hornbeck: did you upload it to a keyserver? [01:51] no [01:51] gpg --send-key [01:51] sivang: that's great news! [01:52] yes, I had someone from portugal here [01:52] enrico: its sent [01:52] We may be making the breakthrough discovery that being friendly actually helps :) [01:52] hornbeck: what is your key ID? [01:52] being friendly helps? [01:53] he would like to help on the newbie doc corner, pointed him at [01:53] my email address [01:53] hornbeck at freeshell dot org [01:53] how do I get yours? [01:54] hornbeck: my key: gpg --recv-key 797ebfab [01:55] enrico : yes, being friendly works. [01:55] :) [01:55] sivang: once we prove that, we write a paper and publish it on slashdot [01:55] "Revolution! Being friendly helps!" [01:55] he would like to work on something like http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/ [01:55] for ubuntu [01:55] hahah [01:56] could we have a check run to see how much sbscribers we have on ubuntu-doc ? [01:56] I can check [01:56] please do [01:56] :) [01:58] hornbeck: do you confirm me your key ID is D38F22AB ? [01:58] we have 61 people subscribed to ubuntu-doc [01:59] how do I check that enrico? [01:59] yes that is it [01:59] hornbeck: gpg --fingerprint hornbeck ad freeshell dot org [01:59] it should give you some key info and the fingerprint [01:59] the key info start with something like: [01:59] I just did gpg --list-keys [02:00] that is the number [02:00] pub 1024D/797EBFAB [02:00] The thing right of the slash it's 8 hexadecimal digits and it's the key ID [02:00] It's the same as the last 8 digits of the fingerprint [02:00] cool [02:01] man I love learning new things :-) [02:01] hornbeck: I'm sending you the password then [02:01] ok [02:02] so people can just use my key id to pull my gpg stuff? [02:03] No [02:03] Trust is based on key signatures [02:03] You meet people in person, check official documents with photo IDs, get the key fingerprint from the real person [02:04] ok [02:04] Then, you know that is the fingerprint of the key corresponding to that person; you download the key from a keyserver, check the fingerprint and you know it's the right key [02:04] At that point you may want to certify that you checked, so you sign his/her public key and upload it [02:04] but do I need to give them that number or my email address like I gave you? [02:05] boy, I have alot of reading to do [02:05] gpg, subversion, docbook, apache [02:05] I will never get docs written :-) [02:06] hornbeck: No, I was just doing a very stupid check, just in case I downloaded a wrong key. However, I have no way to trust your key now [02:06] http://www.lysator.liu.se/~jc/wotsap is a web of trust pathfinder [02:07] cool [02:07] Try getting the path between 135ea668 (Stallman) and 797ebfab (me) [02:08] You can see that there are various people of which I checked the identity, which in turn checked RMS' identity, so I have a trust path to Stallman [02:09] nice [02:09] Of course, I may not trust those intermediary people and I may choose not to trust stallman's key anyway [02:09] haha [02:09] But that's how trust work in the world of web of trust [02:10] So, the thing is at the ubuntu conf, or whenever you meet people with GPG keys, cross-signing keys [02:10] how do you sign someone elses key? [02:10] gpg --edit-key [02:10] then you issue the 'sign' command [02:10] You'll be shown the fingerprint which you have to check with one obtained from a trusted source [02:10] does it upload it automaticly? [02:11] No, it just keeps the signature in your keyring [02:11] please don't sign my key! [02:12] ok [02:12] why don't sign your key? [02:12] enrico : you met debian's lead? :) [02:12] Because you haven't met me in person and I could be a man in black trying to earn a GPG certification of your trust :) [02:12] sivang: sure! [02:13] enrico: I will remember that [02:14] sivang: picture at the restaurant with tbm: http://eddie.casa/extern/enrico/galleries/2004-02-23-Martin/martin/thumb/dscf0007-1-0.html [02:16] I guess I really will have to go to some conf's now [02:16] hornbeck: once you have a GPG key, you're doomed ;)) [02:16] it looks like it [02:17] can I just back up my .gnupg folder in case of computer dieing? [02:17] hornbeck: what's the date in your computer? [02:17] hornbeck: sure [02:17] hornbeck: that's all the data gnupg stores around [02:17] Nov 14th 7:17 right now [02:17]