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fissywhoever it was who linked me to shorewall earlier, thank you12:00
BeanDiptidalwav, open your /etc/apt/sources file and replace warty with hoary on every instance and do an apt-get dist-upgrade to get hoary12:00
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tidalwavahhh12:00
tidalwavokay12:00
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Lathiaterr12:01
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Lathiatno12:01
Lathiattidalwav: don't do that unless you realy want to12:01
Lathiattidalwav: If your happy runnign warty, just do that, hoary is a development version, prone to breakages etc12:01
Lathiatwhile it ususally works, to save yourself the effort12:01
tidalwavyeah12:02
Lathiattidalwav: also did you follow the wiki r.e. installing nvidia drivers?12:02
RiddellBeanDip: yes, I use kde12:02
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|rufius|anyone had any issues with printers and Ubuntu, namely the printer starts printing bout half an inch too low12:02
|rufius|?12:02
Lathiat|rufius|: Possibly have the wrong papersize set?12:03
Lathiator the wrong driver12:03
sladentidalwav: warty was ready a month ago, after 3 months of testing12:03
shokano, Epson works fine with my system12:03
BeanDipRiddell, under hoary or warty?12:03
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|rufius|Lathiat: nope, correct driver, correct paper size12:03
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BeanDip|rufius|, make sure you have your paper set as letter not A412:03
|rufius|legal paper, w/ the provided Samsung ML-171012:03
|rufius|driver12:03
StarScreamhey. last night i managed to enable something in gnome which allowed me to click just by tapping my ibook trackpad12:04
StarScreambut it didn't save12:04
StarScreamand i can't find it again12:04
tidalwavlathiat: yes, I did.12:04
LathiatStarScream: AFAIK theres nothing to do that other than using the synaptics driver in X1112:05
Lathiattidalwav: did what?12:05
LathiatStarScream: (if you have a synaptics touchpad)12:05
Lathiatmost things seem to12:05
BeanDip.12:06
StarScreamLathiat, yeh its wierd...it just started working like that last night12:06
tidalwavlathiat: I follwed the wiki12:06
StarScreamLathiat, how do i enable the synaptics driver?12:06
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Lathiattidalwav: ok anyway so did the commands i gave you help?12:07
RiddellBeanDip: hoary12:07
hypa7iaStarScream: does lsmod | grep synap show anything?12:07
LathiatStarScream: hoary or warty?12:07
b_e_n_zStarScream, http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/12:07
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Lathiathypa7ia: the kernel module is not needed12:08
Lathiatits included in the driver now12:08
Lathiatat least as far as i could gather12:08
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hypa7iaLathiat: looks like you're right12:09
StarScreamhypa7ia, nah its not loaded...i will though12:09
StarScreamb_e_n_z, thanks12:09
tidalwavlathiat: no, the commands didn't help12:10
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BeanDipRiddell, I keep getting an error trying to install k3b12:11
Lathiattidalwav: no idea then sorry12:11
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BeanDipdpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kcontrol_4%3a3.2.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack):12:11
BeanDip trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/fileshareset', which is also in package kdelibs-bin12:11
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tidalwavk, I'm out12:12
StarScreambrb12:12
RiddellBeanDip: try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kcontrol12:13
cardadorBeanDip: cd /var/cache/apt/archives, then dpkg -i --forceoverwrite kcontrol.....12:13
RiddellBeanDip: you have kcontrol 3.2, you should have kcontrol 3.3 which is recently been put in hoary12:14
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RiddellBeanDip: oh, no it hasn't, that's the problem12:15
Riddellkcontrol 3.3 is my package12:15
BeanDipah12:15
Riddellthey've upgraded kdelibs to 3.3 but not kdebase12:15
BeanDipthen I should just wait until the changes are pushed through to the repository12:15
BeanDipdamn12:16
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RiddellBeanDip: add a comment to https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=346212:16
Riddellif you want it fixed now either follow cardador's advice or use my packages "deb http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/ubuntu/ unstable main"12:17
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zenwhenwhere does one place new fonts in ubuntu?12:20
HrdwrBoBzenwhen: open a nautilus window12:21
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HrdwrBoBpress ctrl+L12:21
EdwardOGtype in fonts:///12:21
HrdwrBoByes12:21
zenwhencool12:21
EdwardOG;)12:21
zenwhenthanks12:21
HrdwrBoBthen just drag and drop12:21
EdwardOGnote that it won't appear right away12:21
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EdwardOGbut to double check that it's there, you can ls ~/.fonts12:22
johnnybezakhey guys does ubuntu use /etc/network/interfaces?12:22
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BeanDipjohnnybezak, yup12:22
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johnnybezakBeanDip: cool cos mines not there hehe12:22
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BeanDipman interfaces12:23
johnnybezakwhats the name of the network preferences tool12:23
BeanDipand write one12:23
johnnybezakin gnome?12:23
johnnybezakyeah i will hehe12:23
johnnybezakbut if theres some gui way to do it i will do it that way12:23
HrdwrBoBnetwork-admin12:23
johnnybezakok12:23
BeanDipnetwork-admin12:23
zenwhenhttp://zenhardwhere.com/images/udustu.png12:23
Hikaru79What do I change the runlevel to in order to boot Ubuntu into command line instead of GDM?12:24
Lathiatjohnnybezak: Computer->System Configuration->Network12:24
{Fah-Q}Hikaru79: at the lilo or grub prompt you can specify "kernel-image single" and it'll boot into single user mode12:25
BeanDipHikaru79, edit /etc/inittab12:25
Hikaru79{Fah-Q}, single user mode = command prompt?12:25
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{Fah-Q}BeanDip: gdm/kdm aren't in inittab, you're thiking of redhat12:25
{Fah-Q}Hikaru79: yes12:25
Hikaru79Sweet, thanks =)12:26
HrdwrBoBHikaru79: Hikaru79 just chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm12:26
BeanDip{Fah-Q}, inittab controls the default runlevel12:26
HrdwrBoBor rm /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm12:26
{Fah-Q}BeanDip: so what? you can specify the run level at the lilo prompt.12:27
Majestic|LinuxUbuntu uses debian reps?12:27
zenwhenany ubuntu devs around?12:27
{Fah-Q}Hikaru79: you just want to boot into single user mode to change some settings, right? The next time you boot *dm will start as usual unlesss you remove it from the run level12:27
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Lathiat{Fah-Q}: No,he asked how to change the runlevels so GDM wasn't started, not for once-off12:28
Lathiatpoor guys probably all confused now :)12:28
{Fah-Q}Lathiat: I wasn't here for that. :) Once you're in single user mode you can just remove the S99xdm script from /etc/rcX.d12:28
Lathiat{Fah-Q}: dont even need to be in single user mode for that :)12:29
Lathiatbut that would be a good solution12:29
BeanDipHikaru79, edit /etc/inittab, choose the default runnlevel you want, and open the corresponding dir /etc/rc(runlevelnumber).d/ and remove any scripts you don't want run in that runlevel (ie. gdm)12:29
Lathiatwon't hold on upgrade, however12:29
Hikaru79Lathiat, I only need to go single-user mode a few times right now12:29
Hikaru79Not overall12:29
LathiatHikaru79: Oh, you should have said that12:29
LathiatHikaru79: not what you said ;012:29
Lathiat:)12:29
Hikaru79=( Sorry12:29
LathiatHikaru79: in that case, when your computer is starting up12:30
LathiatHikaru79: grub has a 3 second count down, hit escape12:30
BeanDipin the /etc/inittab you can lso set which vertual terms open in which runlevels, set a getty on a serial port, do all sorts of fun shit12:30
LathiatHikaru79: and choose the recovery mode kernel12:30
Hikaru79Is that the same thing?12:30
Hikaru79recovery mode is the same thing as regular but without the gdm?12:30
LathiatHikaru79: That boots you into a root console in single-user-mode12:30
LathiatHikaru79: mostly12:30
LathiatHikaru79: doesnt start everything12:30
Hikaru79I see12:30
Lathiathow about this question12:31
Lathiatwhat are you trying to do?12:31
{Fah-Q}BeanDip: the trouble with changing the run  level is that you then need to verify that all the other services that you want to start, will start12:31
{Fah-Q}other than that, yeah. you're right12:31
Hikaru79Then why not just choose "Failsafe Terminal" from the Session tab when Ubuntu asks you to log in?12:31
scoonWOW.  I LOVE APT.  I LOVE APT.12:31
Hikaru79We all do, scoon =)12:31
scoonI JUST WANT TO YELL AT THE WORLD THAT APT IS GREAT.  AND UBUNTU KICKS.12:31
LathiatHikaru79: Thats something different12:31
LathiatHikaru79: altho you can probably get a similar effect from it, depending on what your trying to do12:31
scoonwell i just get firefox-1.0 in by setting up my own trivial repository.12:31
{Fah-Q}Hikaru79: you know you can still get to the console even if X is running, rigt?12:32
EdwardOGmmm... emerge and portage12:32
EdwardOGImean...12:32
Lathiatscoon: heh, keep in mind firefox-1.0 isnt in ubuntu for a reason (buggy)12:32
scoonso i can have the wonderful stability of ubuntu, but new stuff12:32
DespairLathiat: 1.0RC is in hoary...12:32
scoonLathiat: i used it w/ gentoo and it was fine for me.12:33
{Fah-Q}what version of firefox is un ubuntu?12:33
Hikaru79{Fah-Q}, of course =) I just want to see how fast certain things (like webserver) will run if there's no X server hogging anything12:33
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LathiatDespair: yeh well their probably working on it for hoary, but specifically, it was withdrawn from warty12:33
Lathiatit did go in initially12:33
Hikaru79If all works well, then I will remove GNOME altogether12:33
jonojdub: ping12:33
Hikaru79(on that computer)12:33
{Fah-Q}Hikaru79: if X is just running, about the only thing its hogging is some ram. So unless you're swapping, I dont nkow that it'll matter12:33
{Fah-Q}Hikaru79: and you could always top xdm via "/etc/init.d/xdm stop" after the system boots12:34
scoonwell anyway.  it is VERY easy to set up a local repository and then get the deb's from debian12:34
Lathiatscoon: indeed12:34
Hikaru79Won't it slow down things like PHP parsing if I have X running?12:34
{Fah-Q}s/top/stop/12:34
Hikaru79Oh, really?12:34
Hikaru79:D Awesome12:34
Lathiatscoon: its also possible to add debian source repos, and make it only get firefox from that repo, but thats a different story :)12:34
LathiatHikaru79: Not really, yes12:34
{Fah-Q}Hikaru79: not unles there's contention for the CPU12:34
HrdwrBoBHikaru79: it will make SFA difference12:34
Hikaru79SFA?12:35
LathiatHikaru79: if you run /etc/init.d/gdm stop it will close it down12:35
HrdwrBoBSweet F all12:35
Hikaru79Thanks, lathiat :)12:35
scoonLathiat: i bet.  but this was the first thing i wanted to do.12:35
Hikaru79Hah12:35
johnnybezakLathiat: thanks, i'm using flux so i need to know there names :P12:35
LathiatHikaru79: but honestly, it wont make much of a difference :)12:35
johnnybezakhmm its not working where are logs for this sort of thing kept?12:35
Lathiatscoon: its called package pinning12:35
johnnybezakwould some one be able to have a quick glance at my interfaces, to make sure theres not something dumb that i'm missing?12:35
scoonLathiat: thanks .12:35
Lathiatscoon: similar to you can in debian use testing12:35
Lathiatbut add unstable sources12:35
Lathiatpin all packages to testing12:36
johnnybezakhey guys, for some reason my ppp0 and eth0 are fighting it out for being default (im not sure the right terminology) network interfaces, if i configure the ethernet, it breaks my internet, so i have to type "route del default" "route add default ppp0" can anyone help?12:36
Lathiatand then use apt-get -t unstable to grab a couple things for thing sfrom unstable12:36
Lathiatvery usefull :)12:36
Hikaru79Lathiat, if webserver is the only thing I'm using the comp for, it doesn't hurt either, right? ;)12:36
{Fah-Q}johnnybezak: stop setting eth0 as a default interface then12:36
{Fah-Q}:)12:36
housetiervery dangerous too12:36
Lathiatjohnnybezak: edit your network interface, remove the gateway12:36
scoonLathiat: i wouldn't suppose that you would want to share a resource or 2 ?12:36
LathiatHikaru79: oh in that case yeh turn it off12:37
{Fah-Q}just set an address and netmask12:37
{Fah-Q}dont specify a gateway.12:37
housetiermixing versions is a pita, even with pinning12:37
Lathiatscoon: yeh, www.google.com :>12:37
Lathiathousetier: it is12:37
Lathiathousetier: depends what your doing12:37
{Fah-Q}Or add the appropriate commands to your ppp post connect script12:37
scoonLathiat: thanks for the tip, master of the obvious.12:37
johnnybezak{Fah-Q}: the problem is that then eth0 doesnt work :(12:37
johnnybezakLathiat: ok i did that12:38
Lathiatscoon: *grin* sorry -- man apt_preferences i think12:38
{Fah-Q}johnnybezak: you just need to add a route for the network, not a default gateway route12:38
johnnybezak{Fah-q}: how hehe?12:38
{Fah-Q}unless you're not adding private ip addresses12:38
scoonLathiat: that's cool.12:38
{Fah-Q}that could cause issues too12:38
scoonlater all.12:38
Lathiatscoon: l8r12:39
johnnybezak{Fah-q}: sorry man i dont understand what youre saying :P12:39
Lathiatjohnnybezak: In your network setup for eth012:39
Lathiatjohnnybezak: what is the address and what is the netmask you have set12:39
Lathiator is it set to automatically configure?12:39
johnnybezakcan i post my interfaces to #flood?12:39
{Fah-Q}you just need a netmask and ip, not a gateway set in the eth0 stanza12:39
Lathiatjohnnybezak: no thats not going to help anything12:40
johnnybezakok so what do you want me to look for12:40
Lathiatjohnnybezak: you can paste your /etc/network/interfaces to me in private, that would be usefull12:40
{Fah-Q}blah. these backups are going to take foreever12:40
{Fah-Q}I probably wont be installing ubuntu tonight. :/12:41
johnnybezaklol im a irc noob how do i do htat?12:41
{Fah-Q}But it is about time to repartition everything anyways, so I suppose its all good12:41
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unpersonHmm...trying to install totem-xine, synaptic says it must uninstall totem-gstreamer and ubuntu-desktop.  WTF?12:44
HrdwrBoBunperson: yes12:44
HrdwrBoBthat's correct12:44
{Fah-Q}conflicting packages12:44
unpersonBut ubuntu-desktop?12:44
epodunperson: it's a metapackage12:44
{Fah-Q}unperson: its a metapackage12:45
epodunperson: you can remove it, nothing will actually happen12:45
{Fah-Q}List the package contents. IT just depends on a buch of other stuff12:45
{Fah-Q}there's nothing actually in it. metapackages are just convenient ways to install bundles of packages12:45
unpersonI see, it's just a dummy package to install all the desktop apps.12:45
HrdwrBoByep12:45
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{Fah-Q}I'd forgotten how much I missed debian's packages.12:46
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Hikaru79Does Ubuntu use inetd or xinetd?12:48
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thoreauputicHikaru79: type   whereis inetd12:50
thoreauputicDebian uses it, I assume Ubuntu does too12:50
Hikaru79Yup, you're righ12:50
Hikaru79*right12:50
Hikaru79=) thanks, thoreauputic12:50
thoreauputic:)12:50
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DespairHikaru79: Either is available, if you have strong preferences.12:51
thoreauputicwhereis is useful. So is `type`. And which ....12:51
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johnnybezakguys how do i share folders on smb with gnome?12:53
Rene_SHidie Ho Good people of Ubuntu12:54
HrdwrBoBello ello12:54
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Hikaru79Hmm, having problems with my vsftpd =(01:01
billytwowillyanyone else using hoary and noticing a huge slowdown in nautilus responsiveness?01:01
Despairbillytwowilly: upgraded to gamin yet?01:02
davmor2can anyone help me out I'm relatively new to linux and have just found out about ubuntu and have installed it but it doesn't shutdown.01:02
Hikaru79davmor2, use: shutdown now01:02
billytwowillyDespair, no idea. If it would do it  automagically in synaptic then yes01:02
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davmor2is that in terminal01:03
billytwowillyDespair, libgamin0 is installed. gamin itself isn't01:03
billytwowillyDespair, is that what would be doing it?01:03
Lathiatdavmor2: so you go computer->log out and choose shutdown and it doesnt work?01:03
Majestic|LinuxI'm on Ubuntu but I cant apt-get install kde , or xfce01:03
Despairbillytwowilly: `sudo apt-get install gamin` (may also want to remove fam & libfam0c102)01:03
Lathiatbillytwowilly: Your problem si you haven't got ubuntu-desktop installed01:03
Lathiatbillytwowilly: because youve installed totem-xine or something01:03
Lathiatbillytwowilly: hence things that should be installed havent been01:04
davmor2yes hangs on the last line acpi_shutdown or something similar01:04
RiddellMajestic|Linux: edit /etc/apt/sources.list to include universe01:04
johnnybezakwhats the name of the gnome program that does server settings??01:04
billytwowillyLathiat, I actually think I removed that because it popped up in deborphan and seemed useless;)01:04
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billytwowillyDespair, I'll remove fam, but libfam is needed by dvdrip.. I'll give this a try . thanks01:06
Lathiatbillytwowilly: oh, thats bad01:06
Lathiatbillytwowilly: forget what he said above and apt-get install ubuntu-desktop01:06
billytwowillyLathiat, I'm installing that as well.01:06
Lathiatbillytwowilly: if you install that, itl pull in gamin etc01:06
billytwowillyLathiat, thanks for the help01:06
billytwowillyDespair, thanks as well01:06
Lathiatubuntu-desktop has depends: etc for ubuntu as things need to be changed01:06
Lathiatif you dont have it installed, things break :)01:06
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Lathiat(or well, can get slow, as in this case :)01:07
bob2note that ubuntu-desktop will force totem-xine out01:07
billytwowillyI'll brb. Gonna restart X01:07
Majestic|LinuxRidell I couldnt edit my etc/aptsourceslist01:07
billytwowillyI don't use totem xine. totem is an ugly hunk of crap... I use mplayer straight and xine sometimes for dvds..01:07
Majestic|LinuxI gotta type nano /etc/apt/sources.list isnt it?01:07
billytwowillybob2, thanks for the heads up though01:08
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billytwowillyMajestic|Linux, yah, source.list01:08
billytwowillyMajestic|Linux, just use tab autocomplete, way easier;)01:08
billytwowillyhmm. nautilus is fast again. perhaps an X restart is not needed01:09
davmor2so can anyone help me out with my shutdown problem? it hangs on the acpi_shutdown line01:10
Majestic|LinuxHOw do I add that universe stuff?01:10
billytwowillydavmor2, I'd love to help you, I just don't know how..01:10
billytwowillyMajestic|Linux, I could just pm you my source.list stuff if you like.01:11
bob2Majestic|Linux: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto01:11
billytwowillyMajestic|Linux, that way you won't even have to look at the faq;)01:11
davmor2go into synaptic setting and highlight them in repositories01:11
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cardadorbillytwowilly: did you remove fam?01:12
billytwowillycardador, I removed fam, yes. not libfam though..that is required by dvdrip01:13
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cardadorbillytwowilly: isnt fam it needed? or it is replaced by gamin01:13
cardadorinst fam needed*01:14
Rene_Sgamin replaces fam01:14
Gamble1Anyone know how to get a DLINK DWL650-L1 card to work with Ubuntu?01:14
cardadorRene_S: ok thanks01:14
bob2Gamble1: does the kernel detect it?01:14
Rene_SAwright be back shortly01:14
Gamble1Not sure, Its got link light01:14
billytwowillycardador, I think fam is being replaced by gamin01:15
HrdwrBoBGamble1: do you know what chipset it uses?01:15
HrdwrBoBbillytwowilly: correct01:15
billytwowillycardador, don't ask me what either program does though;)01:15
bob2Gamble1: run "dmesg", do you see anything about it?01:15
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HrdwrBoBmonitors file changes01:15
Protege61894Anyone know how to install gdesklet?01:15
Gamble1all eth0 messages01:16
Gamble1In device manager it detected it as ADMtek01:16
Gamble1SP906B_V201:16
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bob2Protege61894: install the package.  enjoy!01:17
HrdwrBoBGamble1: you might have to use ndiswrapper01:17
HrdwrBoBwhich uses the windows drivers01:17
LinuxJonesGamble1, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards01:17
Gamble1ok, how do I do that?  Linux newb here01:17
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HrdwrBoBGamble1: what happens when you run 'iwconfig01:19
HrdwrBoBcan you past the output into #flood01:19
Gamble1done01:20
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aaroncuki will stick to phpMp01:21
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aaroncukanyhoo im off to bed now thanks for all your help especially shank and Qball01:22
aaroncuksee ua01:22
aaroncukya01:22
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Gamble1ok in network settings, its listings the Wireless card as an Ethernet card01:22
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Gamble1should I delete and recreate it?01:24
XenguyThis is a 2nd try at this question...01:25
XenguyI'm trying to improve the screen resolution (it is currently defaulted01:25
Xenguyto 61Hz - blechh), so I've edited /etc/X11/XFConfig-4 and increased the values for Horizonta01:25
Xenguyl and Vertical refresh rate (I tried to adjust the 'Screen Resolution' via the GNOME GUI too01:25
Gamble1The wireless connection I created is active for my wired LAN connection01:25
Xenguyl, but it had only 1 value -- 61 -- and would not allow me to change anything).  Is the appr01:25
Xenguyoach I'm taking correct?01:25
bob2Xenguy: your line-wrapping sucks01:25
Xenguybob2: sure does (from less)01:25
bob2Xenguy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, might be easier, if you know what your monitor supports01:26
bob2bah, the new wiki front page sucks01:26
HrdwrBoBXenguy: computer->system preferences-> screen resolution01:26
HrdwrBoBXenguy: this also allows you to change refresh01:27
Xenguybob2: I know the vertical and horizontal refresh, so that's no problem -- but will it achieve a higher MHz than 61 ?01:27
bob2Xenguy: you've found a buf, too, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XautoconfigurationDebug :-)01:27
HrdwrBoByou  should not need to set your refresh rates01:27
HrdwrBoBin the config01:27
bob2Xenguy: the value you care about is the v refresh rate, which is in Hz01:27
bob261HZ is shit, tho, I'd hope your monitor supports more :-)01:27
shayais it possible to upgrade from debian unstable to warty or hoary?01:28
XenguyHrdwrBoB: I'll see if the situation has changed after editing the file, but originally GNOME said 61 and wouldn't allow me to change it01:28
HrdwrBoBah ok01:28
Xenguybob2: OK01:28
bob2shaya: yes, but it's not supported01:28
Gamble1ok, why is my eth1 connection, which I configured as wireless, actually working as my wired connection?01:28
bob2Gamble1: eth1 and eth0 can swap depending on the module loading order01:29
shayabob2: what does "supported" mean? i.e. it's not like canonical is going to walk me through something :)01:29
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Xenguybob2: I'm sure the monitor can do better than that (it wasn't flickering that way before)01:29
Gamble1bob2, ok what do I need to do to get the wireless to work?01:29
bob2shaya: well, if it breaks, don't file bugs unless you're sure they're not related01:29
bob2Gamble1: ? why does the interface order affect that?01:30
bob2Gamble1: have you setup /etc/network/interfaces?01:30
Gamble1no idea01:30
Gamble1I set it up in the GUI01:31
bob2ok01:31
Gamble1didn't edit the config file01:31
Gamble1would you like to see it?01:32
Gamble1bob2?01:33
bob2no01:33
Gamble1:(01:33
bob2sorry, I have no idea what the gui does01:33
Gamble1no would you like to look at my interfaces file?01:34
hypa7iahey all, any reason my ethernet card wouldn't be grabbing an ip4 ip off the router via dhcp?01:34
EdwardOGis it wireless by any chance?01:34
hypa7ianope, wired01:34
hypa7ialike 2ft from the router :-(01:35
bob2sudo dhclient ethX01:35
bob2does that work?01:35
hypa7ialessee01:35
LinuxJoneshypa7ia, do you the correct module loaded for your network card ?01:35
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hypa7iapossibly not, let me see01:36
thriftanyone got any experience compiling kernel modules for ubuntu?01:36
thriftI'm trying to compile hpt374 against the k7 ubuntu headers and i'm getting several pages of errors...had these when i was compiling against the i386 kernel too, eventually I got it to compile though and now I can't figure out what i did01:37
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Lathiatthrift: you probabkly need to compile against the source and not the headers01:38
Lathiatthrift: and copy the config in, make oldconfig and make prepare01:38
thriftugh...copy the config from the headers?01:39
Lathiatfrom /boot/config-`uname -r`01:39
bob2Lathiat: um, are you sure about that?01:39
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Lathiatbob2: i had to do it for a couple of things (cus of the module build system in 2.6) -- or do the kernel headersinclude this crap now?01:39
bob2kernel headers include all the headers, modules which want more than that are buggy01:40
Lathiatdoes it include the 2.6 kernel build system stuff?01:40
bob2which bits?01:40
thriftwell buggy or not I need my raid back.  I did have the kernel souce last time I compiled before i think though, so I'll at least try it01:40
Lathiati.e. make -C /usr/src/linux-blah/ M="$PWD" modules01:40
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rublindHey, I'm having a sound problem.01:41
Lathiatwhich is the recommended way to build kernel modules now (according to kernel docs)01:41
Lathiati could be wrong01:41
Lathiatbut it worked for me on something, forget what it was, lirc stuff i think01:41
thriftwell I'm downloading kernel source now, soon as i try this I'll let you know how it worked, thanks for the suggestion01:42
LinuxJonesrublind, your sound is partially working or not working at all ?01:42
Lathiatthrift: are you getting th ekernel source from apt? (as opposed to kernel.org?)01:42
rublindLinuxJones: Uh, I think not at all.01:42
rublindLinuxJones: My desktop beeps when someone says my name in xchat (some times), but that's all I can get out of it.01:43
Gamble1Anyone had any luck getting nessus to work installing it with apt-get?01:43
LinuxJonesrublind, look at gstreamer-properties you may need to select between alsa or oss etc... hit the test button till your sound works01:43
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stuNNedwhat is the gstreamer package for sound-juicer to encode in mp3 format?01:44
rublindLinuxJones: In a terminal?01:44
LinuxJonesrublind, ya do sudo gstreamer-properties01:44
rublindOkay.01:44
LinuxJonesrublind, it might be that your channels are just muted in sound mixer as well01:45
rublindI un-muted all of them.01:45
rublindAnd it crashes when I try to change one of the EMU10K1 PCM Send's all the way up.01:45
LinuxJonesrublind, try selecting alsa in gstreamer-properties01:45
rublindI just hear static.01:46
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bob2stuNNed: is there one?01:46
LinuxJonesrublind, ok try another type like oss01:46
rublindSame thing.01:46
LinuxJonesrublind, you have a sblive card ?01:47
rublindYeah.01:47
rublindAudigy.01:47
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thriftrublind: do you have any ogg media.  You could try to play that from the command line using ogg123 to get a better scope of the problem.01:49
rublindthirft: Nope, no ogg media, but I do have mp3...01:49
rublindIf that helps.01:50
thrifti don't know what apt sources you have, but you could install mpg123 and see if you get sound that way01:50
rublindOkay.01:50
DespairI'd suggest madplay01:50
thriftor madplay01:50
rublindPick one.01:50
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thriftwhichever one you can get01:50
rublindOkay.01:51
rublindthirft: come to #flood for a sec.01:51
thriftrublind are you using apt-get to install or synaptic?01:52
rublindI was using apt-get...01:52
stuNNedbob2, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-957.html :D01:52
thrifti'm not experienced with apt-get, but synaptic seems to solve issues like that i've had01:52
rublindOkay.01:52
stuNNedbob2, what is 'galaxy' repo?01:53
bob2I'm allergic to forums01:53
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rublindthrift: didn't find mpg12301:53
bob2stuNNed: one some guy made up01:53
rublindthrift: nor madplay01:53
Lathiatbob2: r.e. earlier while the module may be buggy if it needs the source, you still want it to work so, thats life01:53
stuNNedbob2, LOL, that doesn't tell me much! :D01:53
linux_mafiarublind, mpg321 then01:53
Lathiatbob2: your right tho01:53
rublindlinux_mafia: nope.01:54
bob2stuNNed: the url is in the post01:54
stuNNedbob2, oh, i get it01:54
thriftrublind: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list01:54
thriftdeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse01:54
thriftdeb http://ftp.carnet.hr/pub/debian/ sid main non-free contrib01:54
thriftdeb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main01:54
thriftadd those01:54
rublindOkay.01:55
mtlisn't it universe?01:55
bob2erm01:55
bob2mtl: they both exist01:55
thriftthen refresh in synaptic and search01:55
bob2thrift: what's that second line for?01:55
mtlwhat's multiverse?01:55
thriftI have no idea, but i'm using those01:55
bob2mtl: non-free gunk01:55
thriftand i have mpg12301:55
stuNNedthrift, those are the only lines in your sources.list?01:56
thriftno, those are the only ones i added01:56
bob2you don't want mpg123, get mpg32101:56
thriftwho cares, any will test his sound01:56
bob2yes, but now you've got him to put 3 extra, completely unsupported apt sources in his config01:56
bob2you'll be here to help him when that breaks something, right?01:56
rublindthirft: there are errors.01:56
thrifthe can take them out when we're done01:56
rublindEveryone, to flood!01:57
bob2alsaplayer is a far easier way to test if alsa is working01:57
bob2rublind: that's because you didn't run "sudo apt-get update"01:58
rublindI didn't update, I installed.01:58
thriftyou need to update now, then try again01:58
rublindAlright.01:59
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rublindHow long will this take?01:59
thriftnot long01:59
bob2depends entirely on your connection speed01:59
bob2if you're on dialup, go make a cup of coffee01:59
thriftya01:59
rublindI have DSL.01:59
rublindOkay, done.01:59
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fourstii just updated one of my ubuntu desktop to hoary (huge download) im wanting to do the same wiht my other computer. is there a way i can copy over the downloaded packages over lan to my other desktop i dont wanna dl the whole crap again - and wheere are they stored02:00
bob2copy the .debs from /var/cache/apt/archives/02:00
fourstithats it?02:00
jdubfoursti: scp /var/cache/apt/archives/* othermachine:/var/cache/apt/archives/02:00
foursticool ty!02:00
thriftrublind: you got it installed now?02:00
rublindYes.02:00
thriftrublind, which one?02:00
rublind12302:00
thriftok, go to command line02:00
rublindOkay.02:01
thriftmpg123 path/to/mp3file02:01
rublindOkay, let me get it from my windows drive.02:01
rublind(long pathnames, it'd be easier to copy it from there first)02:01
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nixmananyone has seen cases where unbuntu would not detect the dvd rom on the pc ? knoppix 3.6 had no problem detecting it.02:02
fourstianyone have success or know anything of ATI X300 cards (9700PRO etc) in XORG? (with 3dR)02:03
rublindthrift: I hear nothing.02:03
thriftrublind: ok then, you get no errors or anything though right?02:03
JDahlI want to build a custom kernel my machine, then install the kernel and initrd.img on a different partition (on a usb hd)... I need it because the stock initrd.img is missing some modules for USB - access to the root partition get broken, and I thus get kernel panic during boot02:04
rublindNope.02:04
JDahlanyone experimented with that, and have some advice?02:04
thriftrublind: ok well first you can remove those lines i gave you from /etc/apt/sources.list, so everyone in the channel doesn't kill me02:04
rublindHaha, okay.02:04
rublindOne second.02:04
bob2JDahl: if you're building a custom kernel, don't use initrd02:05
rublindOkay, done.02:05
thriftdo the update on the apt-get too02:05
rublindOkay02:06
JDahlbob2, so I build a custom kernel included whatever I think might be missing... how would I install it on a different harddrive, then?02:06
rublindDone.02:06
bob2JDahl: through the magic of make-kpkg02:06
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thriftok, so we know that you've got an actuall card configuration issue if mpg123 won't play, have you tried running alsamixer to make sure you're volume is up?02:06
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bob2JDahl: configure the kernel normally, then "make-kpkg kernel_image kernel_headers"02:06
bob2JDahl: then .debs apear in ../02:07
fourstianyone have a 9700+ card working right?02:07
johnnybezakis there a wysiwyg html editor like NVU available for ubuntu?02:07
rublindthrift: all of the volume things go up except for one of the EMU10K1 PCM Send (using the volume control of gnome's gui version), that one causes the gnome thing to crash.02:07
epodjohnnybezak: gedit?02:07
{Fah-Q}nvu?02:07
TycheLooking for information on getting to the admin console for webadmin. I just installed it, and not sure if there is more that I have to do.02:07
bob2johnnybezak: mozilla composer02:07
bob2johnnybezak: you can install nvu yourself if you want02:07
bob2foursti: it wasn't detected and setup automatically?02:07
thriftrublind : you might want to check with alsamixer from the command line, i've had it pick up channels aumix wouldn't see before02:08
rublindOkay, I'm doing that now.02:08
johnnybezakbob2: ok ill give it a go02:08
fourstibob2, it always WORKS but 3d rendering never works02:08
fourstibob2, i got it to work on debian and SUSE b402:08
JDahlbob2, I follow you this far.. my hardrive boots from /dev/hdax... I want to install the kernel on another ubuntu intallation on /dev/sdax - I dont know how to do that02:08
johnnybezakepod: gedit's not like nvu hehe :)02:08
rublindEverything is 10002:08
fourstibob2, but whenever i try in ubuntu it tells me im using a 9500 generic when im using a 9700pro02:08
bob2foursti: ok02:09
fourstibob2, :(02:09
bob2johnnybezak: you build the kernel, copy the .deb to the other system and install it02:09
bob2foursti: ask on the user list or something02:09
fourstibob2, i so want to use ubuntu but ati is hell man, hell!02:09
rublindbob2 is mad popular.02:09
bob2I know nothing of silly binary drivers02:09
rublindWhere is thrift? >_>02:09
epodfglrx!02:09
thriftrublind: here02:09
bob2JDahl: : you build the kernel, copy the .deb to the other system and install it02:09
epodactually02:09
rublindOh, okay.02:09
fourstifglrx must die02:09
JDahlbob2, but I cannot boot the other system (root access is broken)02:09
rublindthrift: everything is at 100, except for stuff that can't be at anything (if that made sense)02:10
bob2JDahl: sure you can02:10
epodfoursti: runs like crap for 3d for me.  I had bzflag being chopping.  In win32 I get 3000+ 3dmarks... *sigh*02:10
johnnybezakbob2: sorry>?02:10
bob2JDahl: boot to grub, edit the command line, append "init=/bin/bash"02:10
Phr0stByteANyone gotten a Wacom USB devise to work yet?02:10
bob2johnnybezak: not for you02:10
thriftrublind: You're getting just white noise when you try to play though, nothing else?02:10
fourstiepod, what card do u have?02:10
johnnybezakbob2: haha didnt think so :)02:10
rublindthrift: right02:10
thriftrublind: this is silly, but are you sure the card is actually hooked to the right out line, like you do know the card works and everything right?02:11
fourstiepod, damn ati needs to get their act togeather im already pushing my head way into NVIDIA.02:11
epodfoursti: Mobility Radeon 960002:11
rublindthrift: On windows, it works fine, on linux, it doesn't.02:11
JDahlbob2, thanks.. I will try that02:11
epodfoursti: if this wasn't a notebook, I'd have a new card.02:11
Despairsblive has some "mixer" information that isn't supposed to be modified unless you understand what it does. routing controls and whatnot. might do better to use alsamixer rather than gnome's mixer program.02:11
thriftrublind: run dmesg and look for errors then i guess, I really don't know.  anyone else got any ideas?02:11
fourstiepod, yea well my 9700 pro SE cost me 350+ bak when02:11
fourstiepod, still ~280 now02:12
rublindthrift: I did dmesg | grep 'error' and I don't think anything there is related to sound.02:12
epodfoursti: I am planning to build a new desktop, I'm thinking Nvidia :)02:13
rublindthrift: I think my internal speaker is trying to handle the sound, because when someone in another channel (on xchat) says 'rublind' it dings, but other than that, I get no sound02:13
fourstiepod, u better be thinking nvida02:13
thriftrublind: dmesg | grep -i emu10k1 might be better or dmesg | more.  rublind, pc speaker is handled by a different driver entirely02:13
epodI want PCI-Express though, but I don't know if Linux supports that yet.02:13
fourstiepod, ati isnt worth the hair pulling pain02:13
rublindthrift: oh, okay, hold on02:13
HrdwrBoBif you have an ati card02:14
HrdwrBoB... just wait02:14
epodfoursti: gettting fglrx to work in Ubuntu was a snap, actually02:14
HrdwrBoBthere are some good ati drivers coming02:14
fourstiepod, not for me02:14
rublindthrift: nothing from dmesg | grep -i emu10k102:14
epodHrdwrBoB: from where?02:14
HrdwrBoBepod: magic ;)02:14
fourstiepod, always tells me im using a frekin 9500 generic02:14
epodfoursti: I just followed the BinaryDriverHowto, it was easy02:14
epodfoursti: that sucks :(02:14
fourstiepod, i did to :(02:14
epodHrdwrBoB: when? :D02:14
fourstiepod, and it gives me preformace WORSE than normal ati linux preformace02:14
fourstiepod, which already BAD..02:15
epodfoursti: that's harsh02:15
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caleb_can synaptic install a local .deb file?02:15
HrdwrBoBepod: all I know is that some REALLY good people have started working on it02:15
fourstion what?02:15
epodHrdwrBoB: Hm cool02:15
HrdwrBoBon the ATI drivers02:16
fourstinice02:16
epodcaleb_: just use commandline02:16
fourstiif ATI drivers start wokring, All hands up.02:16
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fourstiill pray to the ubuntu gods02:16
thriftrublind: I don't know then.  I have a soundblaster live here that worked perfectly, so I'm thinking something has to be wrong hardware wise not too work.  So I'm at my limit of help I can give.  Lathiat got my raid card wprlomg now though, so I want to reboot and make sure it all works on boot up, so good luck02:16
Tycheanyone use webadmin?02:17
caleb_epod: whats the command?  im not familiar with debian systems?02:17
epodI wish I could make Gnome not look like crap on my LCD02:17
epodbleh.02:17
epodwell, it's not gnome, it's crap like xmms02:17
fissydpkg02:17
epodusing ugly assed fonts.  *shudder*02:17
fourstiepod, dont use XMMS02:17
fourstiepod, rythmymbox is pretty awsome now.02:17
epodfoursti: the default media player hates me.02:17
fourstiepod, y?02:17
epodit never adds folders to my library02:17
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fourstiepod, lol02:17
epodI tell it to, does it, no.  It HATES me02:17
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epod;)02:18
fourstiepod, did u try reinstalling it?02:18
fissysame for me epod02:18
fissyrhythmbox is a continual wonder02:18
fourstialways worked for me02:18
rublindthrift: okay02:18
epodfoursti: no, it came with Ubuntu, I kinda assumed it ought to work ;)02:18
fourstibueatifully to02:18
Despairrhythmbox just crashes if I try to play anything.02:18
fourstiepod, ahha:)02:18
epodAND it doesn't play mp3.02:18
DespairSo does anything using gstreamer...02:18
fourstiu need the plugin02:18
epodhm.02:18
fourstiright?02:18
epodprobably02:18
fissyepod, you have to install the gstreamer-mad plugin02:18
fourstigood02:18
fourstiyea02:18
epodoh, ok.02:18
fourstithats ez to do.02:18
fourstijust synaptic02:19
epodI was getting a bit tired of ogg, my Palm won't play .ogg.02:19
fissyubuntu is free, so doesn't have patented rubbish in it ;-)02:19
epodonly .mp3 and .rm.  Stupid realplayer.02:19
foursti:)02:19
epodno free .ogg players for PalmOS02:19
fourstirealplayer haha02:19
fissythough it does have NTFS support in it02:19
epodfoursti: only free media player for Palm02:19
fissyso its kind of non-free when it feels like it02:19
fourstii must say that this room has must more lively converstion than most.02:19
fourstilike PHP has ppl sleeping02:19
foursti:)02:20
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epodfissy: NTFS isn't patented.02:20
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fissythats not what fedora say02:20
fourstiNTFS isnt that good ither02:20
fissyeven if it isn't, microsoft's implementation is i think02:20
foursti:P02:20
bob2microsoft's filesystem code is obviously copyrighted02:20
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fourstiyep02:20
bob2and they keep changing the format slightly02:20
eclipse...02:20
epodthere was a big thread on /. about it the other day, basically, redhat got spooked by something and assumed it was, but it's apparently not actually, yadda yadda.  The pre-win2k stuff at least, I dunno02:21
fourstithey frekin patented quick mouse click for specific behaviors.02:21
fourstithey probably patented filesystem02:21
fourstilo02:21
bob2oh, on slashdot? it must be true02:21
caleb_epod: you should install http://muine.gooeylinux.org/02:21
fourstiyea02:21
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fourstihaha02:21
epodbob2: like on TV ;)02:21
fissyits clearly not an open spec anyway02:21
HrdwrBoBPocket Tunes is a compressed audio player for the Palm. It can play Ogg Vorbis and WAV files02:22
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epodHrdwrBoB: not free02:22
epodHrdwrBoB: I've used the trial, works well, but yeah02:22
HrdwrBoBhm02:22
fourstiwtf? the shares tool quites telling me i type wrong password?02:22
fourstiis it wokring?02:22
HrdwrBoBaeroplayer also plays ogg02:22
HrdwrBoBand is $1602:22
HrdwrBoBsharewar02:22
HrdwrBoBe02:22
epodhm02:22
epodnever heard of it02:22
HrdwrBoBhttp://www.aerodrome.us/02:22
fourstiapps->system tools->shares02:23
epodI ahve this aversion to paying for software, I only own windows since it came with this dumb notebook02:23
eclipsewhen i do apt-get update and then dist-upgrade....is that up to date or it's a little behind the daily build hoary ISO file?02:23
JDahlif I want support for a USB drive mounted as /dev/sdax, do I have to include SCSI device support built into the kernel, or is that only for true SCSI devices?02:24
fourstianyone used the SHARES tool?02:24
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HrdwrBoBfoursti: are you putting in YOUR passworD?02:25
fourstinop02:25
fourstilol02:25
bob2JDahl: do you want to boot it?02:25
fourstiim not an idiot02:25
HrdwrBoBJDahl: you need SCSI support and SCSI hard drive support02:25
JDahlbob2, yes.. that's what I am trying to do02:25
bob2JDahl: then yes02:25
HrdwrBoBfoursti: heh, it's a common occurance02:26
fourstilol02:27
HrdwrBoBdoes normal sudo work with your password?02:27
fourstiyea02:27
HrdwrBoBor other admin applications?02:27
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fourstiyea02:27
HrdwrBoBhrm02:28
HrdwrBoBI don't have that in my menu02:28
fourstigah i cant browse thsi comp from my other desktop that i want to copy the files too02:28
fourstiwtf?02:28
fourstido i have to enable something?02:28
fourstii created a share for /02:28
foursti? anyone know how to set my computer up so my other desktop can browse it02:29
foursti(other ubuntu desktop)02:29
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HrdwrBoBfoursti: you can use scp to copy files02:30
HrdwrBoBor you can use nfs02:30
HrdwrBoBthere's no gui config tool for nfs though02:30
eclipseanybody using hoary right now?02:30
bob2of cours02:30
bob2e02:30
fourstiHrdwrBoB, can u guide me through it02:30
fourstithis computer is called02:31
HrdwrBoBhm.. actually nautilus can use scp through gnome-vfs02:31
pepsihrm02:31
foursti4sTechnologiesServer02:31
Rene_SIm married I can't use Hoary02:31
pepsiheh02:31
fourstioh wait02:31
HrdwrBoBfoursti: ssh://user:password@computername/02:31
fourstii think i got it02:31
HrdwrBoBopen that location in nautilus02:31
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HrdwrBoB(control L)02:31
foursticomputer->sys confi->networking->enable windows domain support02:31
pepsiwait how do you get hoary? you dont have to reinstall do you? just through synaptic right?02:32
HrdwrBoBeclipse: I'm using hoary02:32
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HrdwrBoBpepsi: yes you can do that02:32
pepsihrm02:32
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pepsiwhat package?02:32
HrdwrBoBno package02:32
HrdwrBoByou need to change the repository lines02:32
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pepsioh02:33
HrdwrBoBI would not recommend it if you are not familiar with linux02:33
pepsiim familiar enough02:33
nixmananyone has seen cases where unbuntu would not detect the dvd rom on the pc ? knoppix 3.6 had no problem detecting it.02:33
HrdwrBoBnixman: where/how is the DVD  installed?02:33
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eclipseHrdwrBoB: so dist-upgrade is as current as daily ISO?02:34
HrdwrBoBeclipse: same thing02:34
eclipsecause i just downloaded a new ISO file built today02:34
HrdwrBoBthe ISO is built from the debs that are in the repository02:34
nixmanHrdwrBoB, knoppix reported it as a normal ide drive. in fact the dvd is the only pata drive in there. the rest are sata.02:34
rahulsundaramdoes anyone whether lg lsp 345 modem works with ubuntu?02:34
HrdwrBoBnixman: and it doesn't appear under 'drives' in nautilus02:35
eclipseok...so i don't need to reinstall the ISO that i just burned?02:35
nixmanHrdwrBoB, i cant even pass the install ! it claims it cnnot find it and requires a special module !02:35
HrdwrBoBeclipse: no02:35
fourstidoes anyone else feel samba copies files over network faster than normal windows sharing?02:35
HrdwrBoBfoursti: it does for the most part02:36
fourstihaha02:36
rahulsundaramits faster in almost all benchmarks02:36
fourstii just copied 600 mb in 40 sec02:36
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HrdwrBoBnixman: ok, so what exactly happens?02:36
fourstithat would take me minutes in XP02:36
eclipseHrdwrBoB: one more thing when i open Synaptic i get this message about not using the right locale02:36
fourstilol02:36
eclipseu get that message also?02:36
HrdwrBoBeclipse: you can ignore it for now at least02:36
eclipseHrdwrBoB: so u have the same thing?02:37
HrdwrBoBcould be a UTF8 issue02:37
HrdwrBoBdon't know, I don't use synaptic :)02:37
HrdwrBoBhangon02:37
rahulsundaramdont ignore it. file it in bugzilla02:37
nixmanHrdwrBoB, ubuntu asks for loading a driver from a floopy since it cnnaot load the cdrom. This happens right after i select the language and country02:37
eclipseHrdwrBoB: well can u at least try to open that and see if u have that message?02:37
HrdwrBoBouch02:37
HrdwrBoBeclipse: just did02:37
stuNNedbob2, ok screw this, i'm not messing with 'galaxy' rogue repo's, i'll just encode in flac and convert to mp3 if need be02:37
eclipseso?02:37
Lathiatbob2: oh god oGALAXYo didnt make that rogue repo did he? :>02:38
nixmanHrdwrBoB, the machine is a server machin from dell . poweredge 750 if i recall.02:38
HrdwrBoBeclipse: what locale are you in?02:38
eclipsefr02:38
eclipsewhat about u?02:38
HrdwrBoBninkendo: oh, hrm... that's very odd, how many PATA does it have02:38
HrdwrBoBen_AU02:38
rahulsundaramhow is ogalaxyo related to this.02:38
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HrdwrBoBit may be a problem with the fr locale02:38
wulfyevening folks02:38
rahulsundaramevening02:38
fourstiAHAHAH workked perfectly:) i started out synaptic downloading packaghe 588/58902:38
wulfywhat's the best way to speed up bootup when not connected to wired network02:38
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bob2stuNNed: that's my plan02:38
bob2stuNNed: well, to ogg02:39
eclipseHrdwrBoB: u know a way to solve that problem?02:39
HrdwrBoBfoursti: :)02:39
foursti:)02:39
wulfymy t40 takes forever if I'm not connected to wire02:39
rahulsundaramturn off unnecessary services of course02:39
fourstiHrdwrBoB, now i start praying that my 9700pro will work02:39
fourstiHrdwrBoB, if not im prolly back to windows:P02:39
wulfyjust stop ethernet from starting at boot and turn it on once it's booted?02:39
HrdwrBoBwulfy: file a bug saying that DHCP should not run if there's no link detected on the wire02:39
HrdwrBoBor that02:39
nixmanHrdwrBoB, any clue what could be happening ?02:39
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HrdwrBoBbut file a bug also02:39
eclipserahulsundaram: how do u turn some of the unnecessary services off?02:40
HrdwrBoBfoursti: it will work if you install fgrls02:40
HrdwrBoBfoursti: it will work if you install fgrlx02:40
wulfythe network config seems to be buggy - sometimes it takes a couple times of clicking and starting02:40
wulfyanyone else notice ?02:40
HrdwrBoBnixman: there may be two PATA controllers on it and it's plugged into the second one and may be causing trouble02:40
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fourstiHrdwrBoB, didint work for me remember? i told me i was using a 9500 generic and gave me the worst preformace02:40
nixmanHrdwrBoB, knoppix ha no issue at all !02:40
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fourstiit*02:41
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rahulsundarameclipse: set it to not start on bootup. check the docs02:41
HrdwrBoBwulfy: yeah it's being worked on more for haory02:41
eclipseHrdwrBoB: does ur machine lock up after using for a few hours?02:41
HrdwrBoBwell it hasn't for the last 5 days02:41
HrdwrBoBI hope it's not about to start :)02:42
eclipserahulsundaram, can u tell me how or the command?02:42
HrdwrBoBhow does it 'lock up'02:42
wulfyHrdwrBob: so how do I disble the network interfaces on boot - and just enable when I need ?02:42
HrdwrBoBwulfy: you can do it in the network-admin tool02:42
HrdwrBoBor you can edit /etc/network/interfaces by hand02:42
eclipseHrdwrBoB: everything is frozen and i can't even use ctrl-alt-f1 to get out02:42
eclipsethe mouse, programs,...everything02:43
HrdwrBoBeclipse: does the machine still respond to ping/ssh etc?02:43
eclipseeverything is locked up02:43
HrdwrBoBlikely that is either a hardware issue, or a video driver issue02:44
eclipsethat's y i was thinking of install the new ISO02:44
thoreauputiceclipse: do you have another machine you can ssh in with?02:44
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HrdwrBoBif it's a video driver issue, the machine may respond to ssh still02:44
HrdwrBoBand that can help troubleshoot02:44
fourstiis there a tool like Macromedia Dreamweaver for linux?02:44
HrdwrBoBif it's a hardware problem, it's a lot harder02:44
eclipseHrdwrBoB: so u don't have that problem?02:45
HrdwrBoBfoursti: apparently bluefish (iirc) is an ok html editor02:45
HrdwrBoBno02:45
fourstiHrdwrBoB, but that isnt actually designing02:45
HrdwrBoBI haven't heard of anyone else encountering it either02:45
nomasteryodafoursti, nVu works02:45
fourstiHrdwrBoB, its just an editor02:45
thoreauputicif so you could ssh in and run top or ps aux  and see what's causing the freeze (probably X )02:45
fourstinomasteryoda, k ill look into it02:45
HrdwrBoBfoursti: there is nvu you can download or mozilla composer02:45
nomasteryodafoursti: and it is wysiwyg02:45
HrdwrBoBcheck it out anyway02:45
eclipseHrdwrBoB: i also have another problem with hoary...the Desktop window doesn't refresh that often02:46
HrdwrBoBeclipse: yeah I get that too, it annoys the hell out of me :)02:46
eclipseHrdwrBoB: hell yeah...i hate that bug02:46
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eclipsei just updated the latest gdm02:46
eclipsei don't think it's gdm but nautilus02:47
fourstiwhat do u guys say mozilla composer or nVu02:48
linux_mafiafoursti, you could try nvu, its a wysiwyg html prog02:48
HrdwrBoBgdm is only the login control02:48
eclipseHrdwrBoB: do u have ur xorg.conf file with RenderAccel "on"?02:48
HrdwrBoBeclipse: yes02:48
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fourstidoesnt nVu use QT libraries?02:48
fourstior connected with kde in some way02:48
fourstii heard02:48
eclipseme too but i don't get y my machine would lock up after using for a few hours02:49
steveO_laptopcan some one give me a like to the istall howto's02:49
JDahleclipse, what machine and distro are you running? My IBM t40p would also freeze completely after a few hours when I used a recent debian/unstable - the CAPSLOCK key wasnt even responding. I think it could be something with powersave or hibernation (even though I didnt compile my own kernel), I never had the problem when I was working, but after I'd been away for awhile, then machine would be dead02:49
Riddellfoursti: no, nvu is XUL (mozilla) based02:49
fourstiicic02:49
linux_mafiafoursti, dont think so, looks like gtk widgets to me02:50
fourstilinux_mafia, alright ill check it out02:50
eclipseJDahl: well i'm running an Asus board with AMD cpu02:50
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eclipsei'm gonna let this run for a while and see if it freezes...after that reinstall with the latest ISO and see if it helps02:51
fourstican i install the ati binary drivers in hoary just like warty?02:53
foursti(the wiki)02:53
adoyretsamoneclipse, are the temperatures ok?02:53
epodOoh02:53
epodHrdwrBoB: that aeroplayer plays Ogg for free, you have to pay if you want mp3 support for more than 14 days02:53
epodHrdwrBoB: thanks for the URL :) woo02:54
HrdwrBoBepod: excellent :)02:54
HrdwrBoBno problem02:54
eclipseadoyretsamon: oh my comp runs very cool02:55
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adoyretsamonok02:56
eclipsei think this hoary beta has some serious bugs02:56
adoyretsamongood02:56
adoyretsamonheh, living on the edge ...02:56
eclipseya:)02:56
adoyretsamonhoary is certainly there02:56
epodI need a decent windows program to convert mp3 to .ogg.  ack02:57
eclipseman...this beta hasn't locked up on me yet02:57
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eclipsemaybe i just updated gdm02:57
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Gamble1Anyone had any luck installing Nessus on ubuntu?02:59
fourstiSHIT in hoary i did02:59
fourstisudo apt-get install fglrx-driver02:59
fourstiit tells me i need XFREE86 > 4.302:59
fourstishould i just force it considering it should work?02:59
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eclipseHrdwrBoB: hey i just did apt-get dist-upgrade and now the desktop refresh issue is gone03:00
HrdwrBoByou can try it03:00
HrdwrBoBeclipse: cool03:00
fourstiHrdwrBoB, how do i tell it not to care again?03:00
fourstiits not force03:00
Gamble1Will the Compaq W200 Multiport card work on ok in Linux?  I'm scrapping this Dlink piece of shit03:00
eclipseHrdwrBoB: maybe u should try that to fix ur problem03:00
HrdwrBoBGamble1: ? ther'es nothing wrong with the dlink?03:00
fourstihow do i force apt-get not to check dependencides for fglrx-driver?03:01
Gamble1I can't get it to work03:01
Gamble1Its the DLink with the TI chipset03:02
LinuxJonesGamble1, can you use ndiswrapper ?03:02
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Gamble1I've heard NDISwrapper is a cludge03:02
fourstianyone?03:02
HrdwrBoBkludge03:02
epodndiswrapper works fine for my broadcom wifi chipset03:02
Gamble1err yea03:02
fourstiwhats to option to continue installing even if theres an unmet dependency03:03
HrdwrBoBI use ndiswrapper also, works fine03:03
epodI just need a bloody decent cdwriting app for Linux, k3b doesn't work so well with ubuntu.03:03
bur[n] er_epod: sudo k3b03:03
bur[n] er_it's the 2.8.1 kernel03:03
HrdwrBoBepod: yeah people are working on 'coaster' for haory03:03
epodbur[n] er: still looks like crap.03:03
epodHrdwrBoB: it'd be nice if they get it03:03
bur[n] er_epod: eroaster, gnomebaker, coaster?03:04
eclipseHrdwrBoB: u know how to disable some of the startup processes?03:04
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epodbur[n] er: I basically want a Nero replacement for gnome :)03:04
HrdwrBoBeclipse: what do you want to disable03:04
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bur[n] er_epod: check out gnome baker03:05
bur[n] er_it's beta now03:05
epodbur[n] er: does it actually work? Hm url?03:05
bur[n] er_epod: gnomefiles.org03:05
fourstiguys how i do tell apt to continue even if theres an unmet dependency?03:05
eclipseHrdwrBoB: evolution03:06
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Gamble11st step of NDISwrapper install says...  As root run make install03:06
Gamble1?03:06
epodGamble1: apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils03:06
Gamble1ahh ok03:06
LinuxJonesGamble1, it's probably installed by default03:06
Gamble1do I need to modify my apt-get repositories?03:07
Gamble1it didn't find it03:07
HrdwrBoBeclipse: evolution does not start on boot03:08
eclipsedid u know that to execute firefox u need to use sh?03:08
HrdwrBoBGamble1: you will need restricted03:08
bob2foursti: you don't03:09
eclipsewell, it's called something like evolution-alert or something03:09
bob2foursti: you fix the dependency problem03:09
fourstibob2, so im supposed to go back and install XFREE?03:09
LinuxJonesGamble1, apt-get update then try again03:09
fourstibob2, then what with XORG?03:09
bob2foursti: I have no idea what you've dont your system03:09
fourstibob2, remmebr? i upgraded to hoary03:09
bob2foursti: you should never have unment dependencies in the supported  parts of ubuntu03:09
fourstibob2, hoary03:09
bob2lordy03:10
bob2if fglrx Depends on xserver-xfree86, you can't install it03:10
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eclipse...03:10
fourstiye03:10
fourstiyea03:11
fourstisick.03:11
eclipsei think gnome uses less resources than kde03:12
bob2I think puppies are ugly03:12
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Scognitohi all03:12
Scognitowhat means unleashead relating to xorg03:12
bob2it means it's been put into the hoary archive03:13
epodhoary is gonna break all ati users, since fglrx won't install on xorg, I think03:13
bob2no it won't03:13
foursti:(03:13
fourstiim die03:13
fourstijust d i  e03:13
bob2I'm an ati user and I don't use stupid binary drivers03:13
bob2foursti: why is it that big a deal?03:13
farruinnHi, I came in last night asking about installing ubuntu on oldworld mac.  I was able to boot and run the installation fine.  My problem is that the ubuntu installed messed with my OF settings so that now it opens to OF on boot.  How do I change this?03:13
fourstidunno i just hate it when my hardware is shit becaseu of the softwarre03:13
bob2it's not shit03:13
fourstiwell it becomes shit:)03:14
bob2it works great, except for hardware acceleration for 3d03:14
fourstiyea..03:14
Scognitoso xorg is part of hoary now?03:14
fourstiyea03:14
fourstiScognito, yes03:14
HrdwrBoBepod: when hoary comes out, ati drivers should be better03:14
bob2Scognito: yes03:14
Scognitocoool03:14
fourstiHrdwrBoB, better be better :P03:14
farruinnThe mac also isn't recognizing the harddrive that I installed ubuntu on.  I have an OS X partition on there, but I can't boot to it.03:14
Scognitodoes exists some iso of hoary?03:14
fourstiScognito, you have to update to it03:14
fourstiim going to try to actually compile the fglrx driver from scratch now.03:15
bob2Scognito: yes, but they're very alpha03:15
|QuaD|hey, i got a question for php developers.... what is a good ide? i haven't found one that i have found was decnet03:15
Scognitoah ok03:15
epodbob2: see, I like hardware acceleration 3d for games and such03:15
HrdwrBoB|QuaD|: I use vim :)03:15
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fourstiQuaD for windows use DEV-PHP / linux vim / gedit:)03:15
|QuaD|thats what i have been using03:15
bob2epod: that's cool, but it doesn't "break all ati users"03:15
Scognitoi'll copy all my data to another partion, then upgrade to hoary :D03:15
|QuaD|hehe... i was looking for a nice gui ide :)03:15
fourstibob2, lol well he users with the good cards :)03:15
bob2foursti: no, only users wanting to use binary-only drivers03:16
fourstifine.03:16
bob2I don't know if it's a big contingent or not, but it's absolutely not "everyone"03:16
Scognitowill i have problem? i'm using nvidia drivers03:16
fourstinop03:16
fourstinvidia works perfectly03:16
Scognitook tnx03:16
epodbob2: well, most people with an ATI card usually got it for gaming.  Usually.03:17
fourstiepod, exactlyt03:17
bob2epod: most != all03:17
fourstilol03:17
bob2everyone I know with ati cards under linux use the free drivers03:17
fourstibob2, i want to play w3x and ill be happy03:17
bob2but regardless, it should be fixed before hoary03:17
jdubepod: that's a very broad generalisation -> i'm sure a pretty big proportion of people with ATI cards don't even know the brand.03:18
fourstijdub, not that big of a proportion03:18
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fourstijdub, brands are important for most of the public *LOL*03:18
jdubfoursti: not in computing. "most of the public" will have about as much knowledge of their hardware as this: "i'm dave, i have a brand new windows laptop."03:19
jdub"when it breaks, i call dell."03:20
HrdwrBoBit's an acer03:20
HrdwrBoB*points to acer label*03:20
DespairHrdwrBoB: I've run into plenty who would claim it's an energystar (or some other random compliance sticker :)03:20
HrdwrBoBhaha03:20
Phr0stBytelol03:20
jdubi don't know what brand of dishwasher i have, and i don't expect people who aren't interested in computing to know the name of the company that made the fiftieth boring black chip in their new computer. :-)03:21
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jdubalso, my dishwasher is clearly labelled.03:22
jdubbut i still don't care.03:22
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fourstihaha03:22
thoreauputicDespair: "My computer broke its interweb!"03:22
HrdwrBoBnow that you mention it I don't know my dishwasher brand offhand :)03:22
pepsiwhats a dishwasher? :P03:22
HrdwrBoBthat said - I have a friend who crashed his dishwasher03:22
pepsiuse your hands03:22
jdubfor the record, it's a "chef classic"03:22
pepsi:P03:22
bob2HrdwrBoB: overclocking it?03:22
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HrdwrBoBbob2: haha no, I believe he was.. rtrying to wash dishes with it?03:23
jdubpepsi: i have better things to do. like remembering the names of every microprocessor vendor represented in all the pieces of computing technology in my house.03:23
Despairjdub: So what cpu is in your dishwasher? ;)03:24
jdubdude, i don't even know what's written on the front :-)03:24
Phr0stByteI think that may be next. You can already load Linux on game consoles - I'm looking forward to an Ubuntu dishwasher...03:24
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Lathiatjdub: heh you should put a ubuntu sticker on your dishwasher :)03:25
Lathiatxf_: ping03:25
epodmm...ogg-y goodness for my Palm.03:26
Lathiatheh03:26
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epodbob2: what is the ati driver ubuntu uses my default, and does it do 3d well enough for tuxracer?03:27
epods/my/by03:27
bob2epod: the Free one, and let me see03:27
Despairepod: it should be enough for tuxracer on most chips.03:27
Despair(wont work on newer, and will work poorly on some slower old ones)03:27
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epodI have a radeon mobility 960003:28
thoreauputicPhr0stByte: file a bug report !03:29
Phr0stByteheh03:29
Phr0stBytethereapudic: I will just try a net install next time...03:30
bob2runs ok03:30
bob2not sure how to crank up the res, tho03:30
epodbob2: hm cool03:30
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epodfglrx makes tuxracer have all sorts of nasty artifacting03:30
epod:(03:30
epodHrdwrBoB: sweet, I am playing .ogg on my palm now.  Thanks! :D03:31
Despairepod: R300 chips (ie, 9500+) wont work, yet.03:31
epodDespair: ah, that'd be me.03:31
epodSo I am stuck with fglrx for 3D.03:31
Lathiatheh03:31
HrdwrBoBepod: excellent :)03:31
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HrdwrBoBan end to the patent encumbered formats!03:31
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DespairThere's some people who have started hacking at reverse engineering R300 support. It'll be a while before anything comes of that, though.03:32
epodah well.03:32
epodmaybe ATI will actually release some decent drivers, or I'll sell this notebook and build a desktop.. heh03:33
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nitinhey guys its foursti im compiling the fglrx driver03:35
nitinim getting errors03:35
epodum03:35
nitinanyone wanna work with me to get it?03:35
epodwhy are you compiling it?03:35
nitinjust so03:35
epodapt-get install fglrx-driver03:35
nitin.03:35
nitincant03:36
nitindependency on03:36
nitinXFREE03:36
epodoh03:36
nitinand im using XORG03:36
epodlol03:36
nitinanywayt03:36
epodhoary03:36
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mdzI believe fglrx still depends on xfree86 because it doesn't work with xorg03:38
nitinno it should work03:38
nitinits XFREE and XORG03:38
nitinare pretty close03:38
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b_e_n_znitin, fglrx works with xorg 6.7 but not xorg 6.803:39
ryanis there a key for stopping the gnome panels from snapping to the edge03:39
ryani was resizing a new panel and now its stuck flickering between about 10pixels away and the edge03:39
ryantaking up all my cpu03:39
Lathiatlol03:40
Lathiatkillall gnome-panel03:40
ryanand killing it and restarting the panel doesn't help :/03:40
Lathiatsee if that helps03:40
Lathiatoh03:40
Lathiatdamn03:40
ryani dunno where abouts the second panel is saved otherwise i'd just delete the config03:40
Lathiatin gconf probably03:40
Lathiatmight be able to dig around with gconf-editor03:40
epodI wonder how I encode xvid's into theora03:43
epodhm.03:43
epodeh.. probably lose all kinds of quality transcoding.03:44
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nitinguys im trying to follow this: where si the system header tryy and where would i simlink to it.03:46
nitinAfter getting a full kernel-source-2.6.8, I sym-linked the03:46
nitindrivers/char/drm/*.h files into the kernel-headers tree, and the build03:46
nitinworked (though I'm yet to verify that the generated modules work).03:46
nitinwhere is the kernel-headers tree03:46
nitin? where are the kernel-headers03:48
bob2dpkg -L packagename03:48
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crackhello03:48
nitinahh03:49
nitinty03:49
crackcan someone help me?03:49
crackim sure it will be quick and easy03:49
epodcrack: with what?03:49
cracki want to install xmms03:49
cracki have the tar file03:49
bob2xmms is in universe03:50
epodcrack: apt-get install xmms03:50
crackand i typed tar xzvf blah blah03:50
bob2just install it from there03:50
mdznitin: if you're trying to build a kernel module, this is answered in the FAQ03:50
epodfrom console03:50
nitinty03:50
crackoh03:50
crackkk let me try03:50
epodcrack: make sure universe is in your apt sources03:50
crackhow do i change that?03:50
cracki did what you said03:51
bob2wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto03:51
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crackit says has no installation candidate03:51
bob2yes, read that wiki page03:51
crackok03:51
crackim new to linux03:51
crackand ubuntu is my second install03:51
cracki tried mandrake and didnt like it03:51
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crackok so check that wiki out?03:52
epodIs coaster in the warty deb archives? can someone check synpatic and let me know?03:53
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jdubepod: no.03:54
epodwell that's monkey poo.03:55
epodso I am stuck with.. xcdroast. whee.03:55
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crackok03:55
cracki dont know how to change it to universe03:55
crackim reading it03:55
crackand it says a generic one03:55
crackbut03:55
epodrun synaptic, add the universe repository03:55
cracki know i want universe03:55
crackok03:55
crackdo u mean universe.com03:56
epodno...03:56
Agrajaguh'03:56
Agrajagopen synaptic03:56
crackim there03:57
Lathiatepod: everything coaster does, nautilus does (atm)03:57
cracki am ready for the url03:57
Lathiati think03:57
Agrajagthere is no url03:57
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Agrajagopen synaptic03:57
crackk03:57
Agrajaggo to settings>repositories03:57
crackyea03:57
crackim there03:57
epodLathiat: ahh ok.  I need DVD burning software for movies, and audio-cd creation.. and I *don't* want to use k3b. :/ Is that too tall an order at the moment?03:57
Lathiatepod: ahh, coaster doesnt do that yet03:57
crackport nero agrajag03:58
Lathiatonly does data cds so far03:58
crackusing the cvs tree from cedega03:58
Agrajagyou should see allisting that says "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/"03:58
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Agrajagwith "main restricted" under "Section(s)"03:58
cracki got it epod03:59
cracki see03:59
epodLathiat: yeah, I burned a data DVD the other day, tried to just dump the AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS dirs from a DVD to another DVD.. didn't work so well ;)03:59
Agrajagchange Section in that and the deb-src repo to "main restricted universe"03:59
Lathiatepod: umm theres tools to do it03:59
Lathiatepod: (command line ones)03:59
epodLathiat: probably, yeah03:59
epodbut I didn't go look03:59
crackepod03:59
Lathiatdvd+w-tools03:59
crackdo i need to restart x?04:00
Lathiat+re rather04:00
Lathiat+rw :P04:00
Lathiatheh04:00
Lathiatdunno if it does tools04:00
crackepod, do i need to restart x for it to work?04:00
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thoreauputiccrack: once you've changed it , use reload in synaptic04:00
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crackreload?04:00
crackok04:00
cracklemme check04:00
scopecrpevenin all04:01
epodOk, my current major Ubuntu issue is, due to my soundcardc being a POS, it works in ALSA, but the main volume thinks it is the headphone volume.  So fine, I set the audio control on the panel to control my headphone volume.  But if I set my audio keys on the front of my notebook to raise/lower volume in the gnome config, it tries to do it to the master volume control, which has no effect due to ALSA weirdness.  Is there some way to reassign04:01
cracki love you guys04:01
crackalready04:01
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HrdwrBoBepod: unfortunately not04:02
derekhey... can anyonehelp me with my nvidia config file. it is at www.slovin.us/~derek/config and the errors i am getting are at www.slovin.us/~derek/log04:02
HrdwrBoBepod: I would file a bug against alsa04:02
Despairis ubuntu still on 1.05 of alsa?04:02
crackok i reloaded it in synaptic, however it is still giving me a bad candidate file04:02
Despairepod: you might try a more recent alsa, there's been a lot of bugfixes since 1.0.504:02
epodhm that sucks.  Yeah.  It's a specific issue with my notebook model (M675XL) and the only reason audio works (well, doesn't only come out the headphone jack) is that some guy sent ALSA a patch reassigning Headphone out to the internal speakers AND the headphone jack, so they both go at one.. It's a sigmatel card that can reassign output on the fly in software.. it's weird.04:03
thoreauputiccrack: umm - did you wait for the update to finish? (reload)04:03
crackyea04:03
crackit finished04:03
epodDespair: How do I upgrade my ALSA in Ubunti04:03
epod*Ubuntu.04:03
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derekcan anyone help me?04:03
Despairother thing you can do is remap controls using .asoundrc, but you'd have to google for info on doing that, I've never messed with that.04:04
epodhm04:04
epodok04:04
epodit04:04
JDahlderek, just some friendly advide (and IRC etiquette): if you want someone to help you - make it easy for them and dont expect to do detective work to figure out your problem - they won't, they will ignore you04:04
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epodIt's nothing major, just a minor annoyance04:04
epodI'd like all my dumb media keys to work :)04:04
JDahls/dont expect/dont expect them/04:04
derekJDahl: i already tried to figure out my problem..... i have no idea what it is04:04
Despairepod: other thing you can look at is what the media keys are being set to do, and remap it there.04:05
Despairepod: and filing a bug report against alsa in ubuntu is a good idea, as HrdwrBoB said. :)04:05
HrdwrBoBDespair: don't ask to ask, ask04:05
HrdwrBoBer04:05
HrdwrBoBderek04:05
HrdwrBoBok04:05
HrdwrBoBaha04:05
DespairHrdwrBoB: he did, it's lost in scrollback04:05
Agrajagderek: you haven't even told us what the problem is04:05
JDahlderek: I know.. I am just saying few people will take the time to go your homepage and download stuff - you need to ask simple, organized questions in here instead04:05
epodDespair: well, I set them to control the volume in gnome's config, which works, except instead of being normal and having the master volume control control any volume, the headphone mixer does it instead ;)04:05
crackok now i can find the packages04:05
crackin synaptic04:05
HrdwrBoBderek: what is the actual problem04:06
AgrajagThere's nothing in that log that says anything failed, that I can see04:06
crackhowever, i dont know which to install04:06
thoreauputic<derek> hey... can anyonehelp me with my nvidia config file. it is at www.slovin.us/~derek/config and the errors i am getting are at www.slovin.us/~derek/log04:06
crackthe shell?04:06
derekit only shows 1 monitor04:06
dereknot both04:06
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=== epod will file a bug with ALSA
Agrajagderek: I suggest you look into setting up Twinview.04:06
KeithWeissharis ubuntu in africa04:06
HrdwrBoBderek: it's because you need Screen 004:06
KeithWeissharis ubuntu an african linux distro04:06
HrdwrBoBand Screen 104:06
derekAgrajag: i don't want twinview... i want to desktops... i have done it fine in the past with debian04:06
HrdwrBoBin your Device sections04:06
HrdwrBoBKeithWeisshar: yes and no04:06
HrdwrBoBKeithWeisshar: african word, just 'a' linux distro04:07
AgrajagKeithWeisshar: the company that makes ubuntu is based in south africa, I believe.04:07
derekHrdwrBoB: i have a screen0 and screen 104:07
HrdwrBoBderek: no04:07
crackhey thoreauputic, i want to chat 1 on 1 can you do that?04:07
dereklook at the identifiers04:07
HrdwrBoBin your two Device sections04:07
HrdwrBoByou need a command04:07
HrdwrBoBScreen 004:07
HrdwrBoBand Screen 104:07
KeithWeissharwhy did ubuntu come out, it's just based on debian04:07
epodCanonical is in the UK, isn't it?04:07
AgrajagKeithWeisshar: have you used it?04:07
HrdwrBoBKeithWeisshar: because debian doesn't Just Work04:07
psyklopsderek: seen this? ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-6629/README.txt04:07
derekHrdwrBoB: a command? let me look into that04:08
HrdwrBoBKeithWeisshar: if you want to start a flame war, please go away and talk to yourself04:08
Agrajagepod: I thought Mark Shuttleworth (that's his name right?) was from South Africa04:08
HrdwrBoBderek: hangon04:08
derekpsyklops: yup... thats where i originally got this from04:08
HrdwrBoBAgrajag: yes04:08
Agrajagmaybe the business is based in the UK though04:08
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psyklops(I just came in, derek)04:08
HrdwrBoBbut canonical is based in the isle of man04:08
epodAgrajag: he is, but afaik Canonical is a UK co.04:08
Agrajagok04:08
nitinhey guys i downgraded to XFREE server04:08
nitinand installed fglrx-drver04:08
nitinbut now when i do glxinfo it says:04:08
nitinglxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory04:09
nitinwhats wrong?04:09
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psyklopsderek: I guess you don't remember how you set it up to have split desktops?04:09
nitin?04:09
psyklopsderek: I did it once also, don't remember how, but I know all the info you need is in the readme04:09
HrdwrBoBderek: http://kaos.vicnet.net.au/derek.config04:09
HrdwrBoBlike that04:09
derekpsyklops: everytime i go to a new distro (except suse) i have trouple04:10
blue_owldoesn anyone else get the black X in the middle of the screen once you log in to GNOME? it disappears once you move a window.04:10
derekHrdwrBoB: lemme look... thanks :)04:10
blue_owli'm using a thinkpad t20, btw.04:11
blue_owlt2104:11
nitinanyone know why i get this error in glxinfo / glxgears  error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory04:11
epodSweet.  Got my shiny new CD in ogg on my palm, and it plays with a free player, and now I feel all spiffy.  *preens*04:11
Lathiatjdub: does the Bugs: mailto line go in debian/control?04:11
epodnot that it is in any way Ubuntu-related ;)04:11
HrdwrBoBnitin: libGL.so should be in the fgrlx pacjage04:11
HrdwrBoBpackage04:11
epodHrdwrBoB: I ran into a similar issue in FreeBSD with the nvidia drivers.  I had to put them all back manually.  It was dumb04:12
nitinhow would i correct thsi then..04:12
epoder nitin04:12
nitinhow do u put them back manually04:12
nitini mean04:12
nitinwhere are they04:12
nitinlol04:12
derekHrdwrBoB: it hates that... doesn't even load 1 monitor... crashes04:13
nitinepod, how would i replace the modules manualy04:14
epodI wish there was a way I could make totem dock in my panel and have a small video window like WMP does in the windows taskbar.  Having a small video panel is nice, I can watch music videos or tv shows while I irc.04:15
HrdwrBoBderek: check the logs04:15
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HrdwrBoBhave look04:15
HrdwrBoBepod: I imagine that sort of thing will come eventually04:15
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HrdwrBoBunfortunately not yet :(04:15
epodnitin: I had to re-install the Xfree-libs port after installing the nvidia driver, ymmv, it was a different OS, different card04:15
epodHrdwrBoB: *nods* yeah, that's part of life I suppose thought :)04:16
derekHrdwrBoB: Caught Signal 4. Server aborting04:16
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trans_errI just grabbed a new FX5700 card and whenever I run the nvidia driver- the display locks after about 10 - 15 seconds04:16
trans_errthe nv driver works fine04:16
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epodtrans_err: are you using nvidia's gart, or linux's?04:16
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trans_errepod, how can I tell? specifiy?04:17
epodtrans_err: and did you follow the BinaryDriverHowto to install the nvidia driver?04:17
trans_errepod, I've had a nvidia geforce 2 before- everything should be installed correctly04:17
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nitinis the Xfree-Libs package in universe?i cant find it04:18
epodnitin: um, I just said what I did.  That in no ways means it will even work in Linux.04:18
dereklunchbob: i just got it working... care to have a copy of my config?04:19
nitinwhat?04:19
nitinglxgears?04:19
epodnitin: I had that issue in FreeBSD.  Not linux.04:19
nitinoh04:19
nitink04:19
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epodtrans_err: reinstall them using these directions http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto04:19
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derek /join #gnome04:20
derekblag04:20
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trans_errepod, I already have04:25
epodoh04:26
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epodhm.  sorry then.  I've got a craptaculat ATI.04:26
epod*craptacular04:26
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nitinyup guys got it working04:27
nitinbut04:27
nitinoutput says 9500 GENERIC04:27
nitin~3000 fps glxinfo.04:27
crackhey guys04:28
George^Dekahi all, i am trying to compile and it cant find gtk+, how do i fix this04:28
cracktherapeutic is awesome04:28
crackgreat person04:28
crackbut04:28
Hikaru79George^Deka, use Synaptic04:28
Agrajaginstall the -dev package for it04:28
crackgot one more question about an error04:28
Hikaru79And get the -dev headers04:28
Agrajagapt-get install libgtk1.2-dev libgtk2.0-dev04:29
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crackxmms question04:31
crackwhat is this?04:31
crack xmms04:31
cracklibmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory04:31
George^Dekathanks04:32
bob2crack: something you can ignore04:32
crackok04:33
crackif i can ever get cedega to work with steam in this, i will never go back04:34
lifelesscrack: works for me with i386 ubuntu.04:35
crackim gonna get there lifeless04:35
epodjust play frozenbubble04:35
epod:)04:35
crackim learning very quickly04:35
crackwith the great help of the peeps herer04:35
cracklovin it04:35
gendid you just say peeps?04:35
crackxmms rockin some new eminem04:35
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crackim diggin it04:37
epodhe said peeps :/04:37
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crackjust got gkrellm to install04:37
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genyea, because it's so difficult04:37
crackit is for a newb04:37
steveO_laptopheh04:38
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Majestic|LinuxI can't do no apt-get install limewire, or amule, but i did do apt-get update04:43
jdz`Majestic|Linux: You may need to enable Universe04:43
Majestic|LinuxI did04:44
Majestic|LinuxI had MUltiverse04:44
Majestic|Linuxand before I had universe04:44
|QuaD|when i try to use a "mysql_connect()" it gives me an error that it can not find the function... how do i enable mysql?04:44
_scpis there an equivalent of packages.debian.org for ubuntu yet?04:44
Majestic|Linuxhave* multiverse04:44
jdz`Hm :(  good luck.04:44
Majestic|Linux:-\04:45
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|QuaD|how do i ensure that mysql commands are installed? i apt-get'ed php4-mysql though its still isn't working04:49
crackthis is great04:49
crackinstalling kde as we speak on ubuntu04:49
bob2|QuaD|: commands?04:49
|QuaD|"Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in"04:49
|QuaD|thats what i get04:49
bob2this is from apache, right?04:49
|QuaD|yeah04:50
bob2edit /etc/php4/apache/php.ini04:50
bob2add the right extensions= line at the bottom04:50
centurionhow about openbox in ubuntu04:50
|QuaD|"extension=mysql.so"04:50
bob2|QuaD|: it's there?04:51
|QuaD|its already there done automaticall04:51
bob2|QuaD|: or are you using the cgi version?04:51
|QuaD|what do you mean?04:51
bob2centurion: it's in universe04:51
|QuaD|i did it in my apache2 folder04:51
|QuaD|wait... it is in both apache2 and apache04:52
centurionany one latex/tex users?04:52
|QuaD|should i restart apache?04:52
cracklatex?04:52
zenwhenguys04:52
|QuaD|just restarted it... works :) thanks bob204:52
zenwhenMy slackware /home partition just got wiped. Its now my Ubuntu /home partition.04:52
zenwhenYou're stuck with me now.04:53
zenwhenXD04:53
centurionlatex? - typesetting knuth etc. blah blah04:53
crackyea04:53
cracki see now04:53
crackno04:53
cracki dont use it04:53
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desphello04:55
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crackhey anyone know where i can get some kewl wallpaper?04:56
fourstiwell in the end guys i spent another ~5 hrs installing ubuntu then trying to get my 9700 pro with 3dr to work.04:56
fourstidoesnt.04:56
fourstiback to xp.04:56
cracki got a 9500 pro04:56
crackwhats wrong?04:56
fourstix300 chipsets dont work yet04:57
fourstiproperly04:57
crackfor gaming?04:57
despany ideas how to set up an NFS share under Ubuntu?04:57
fourstifor any 3D04:57
fourstidesp, are u using warty or hoary?04:57
despwarty04:57
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fourstinot too sure04:57
despjeez04:57
desphow about any way to share files apart from using scp?04:58
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jdubdesp: apt-get install nfs-kernel-server04:58
jdubdesp: your other option is to use sftp locations in nautilus04:58
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FTTPhi04:59
despjdub: and how will I setup the nfs server? /etc/exports?04:59
jdubyes04:59
despok, thanks05:00
zenwhenKamion, if you are around at some point, let me know.05:01
wasabianybody done ANY production work with NFSv4 in the linux kernel?>05:02
crackanyone know how to make ubuntu to where i can see my ntfs drives?05:02
wasabiis it even usable at this point?05:02
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crackwant to get to all of my music05:02
crackand its an ntfs drive05:02
wasabicrack, you can add it to the fstab file and mount it.05:03
wasabiRead only though.05:03
magikwhenever i try to use apt-get, it gives an error saying something about "ttf-opensymbol" - how can i fix this?05:03
crackhow do i do that in x?05:03
Agrajaghuh05:03
wasabicrack, pop open a console, and edit /etc/fstab as root.05:03
AgrajagX has nothing to do with it05:03
Agrajagyeah05:03
wasabicrack, and type "man fstab" to read about the file. It's fairly simple.05:03
jdz`crack: try just `mount'ing it first. :)05:04
Agrajagtype is ntfs, options you should use are ro,users05:04
Agrajagor maybe users, i forget05:04
Agrajager05:04
Agrajaguser05:04
wasabionly use 'user' if you want to05:04
George^Dekahttps://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions05:04
AgrajagI have it set up on my desktop but that burned out its cpu05:04
crackit wont let me edit it05:04
Agrajagcrack: you have to be root05:04
wasabicrack, as root.05:04
jdz`use sudo :)05:04
Agrajagsudo <editor> /etc/fstab05:04
crackroot@pcp0010429741pcs:/home/crack # edit /etc/fstab05:05
crackWarning: unknown mime-type for "/etc/fstab" -- using "application/*"05:05
crackError: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/*"05:05
crackroot@pcp0010429741pcs:/home/crack # /etc/fstab05:05
crackbash: /etc/fstab: Permission denied05:05
Agrajaguh05:05
Agrajagit's not an executable05:05
George^Dekacrack, read the howto i posted - but you need to sudo gedit /etc/fstab05:05
jdz`before you add it to fstab though, simply try and mount it.05:05
crackah05:05
cracksud05:05
crackok05:05
cracki got it05:05
jdz`good luck!05:05
magikwhenever i try to use apt-get, it gives an error saying something about "ttf-opensymbol" - how can i fix this?05:05
Agrajagand don't use "edit", use gedit, or vim or emacs05:05
despAgrajag: yeah, right05:06
jdubmagik: we can't help you if you can't tell us the error :)05:06
desp;)05:06
George^Dekamagik: what is the exact error05:06
magikit just says "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"05:07
wasabiit says much moer than that.05:07
wasabiusually involving a reason.05:07
magikoh.. segmentation fault05:07
wasabiewww.05:07
magik:(05:07
crackim in05:08
Agrajaghave you run a memory test?05:08
magikno05:08
Agrajagmight give that a shot05:08
wasabii doubt it's memory.05:08
crackok how do i ad it?05:08
Agrajagit shouldn't be segfaulting05:08
wasabimagik, can you message me the entire message?05:08
Agrajagcrack: you see the format of the file?05:08
magiksure, hold on a sec05:08
George^DekacrackL read https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions05:09
Agrajagit's the partition device, followed by fs type, options, mount order, and the dump bit05:09
Agrajager, dump bit, then pass, sorry05:09
crackok05:09
crackhang on05:09
crackgeorge... i will brb05:09
bob2wasabi: why do you doubt it's memory?05:10
wasabibob2, because it would be more random.05:10
_scpis there an equivalent of packages.debian.org for ubuntu yet?05:10
bob2wasabi: you're basing that on one report by him?05:10
bob2_scp: no05:10
bob2 /her05:10
wasabibob2, no, im asking for the entire message.05:10
Agrajagso you need to tell it what partition it is, use "ntfs" as fs type, options should be ro and maybe some others, you can read the mount man page yourself to see the options, and dump should prbably be 0 and pass should be 2.05:11
_scpbob2: I have seen a recommendation for something like it on the wiki, is it being considered?05:11
bob2_scp: yes05:11
bob2it would be handy to have05:11
_scpbob2: Ok, thanks, and I agree05:11
_scpbob2: any ideas on coping with not having it? I am a somewhat new debian user (not new to linux, just to debian) that has only used that to search for packages05:13
bob2_scp: "apt-cache search blah" searches the package description database on your system05:13
bob2_scp: apt-cache show blah, shows the description for blah05:13
bob2_scp: apt-file lets you search for files in packages05:14
_scpbob2: I knew I read about that a long time ago... thanks for jarring the ol' rusty trap05:14
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_scpbob2: thanks! and later.....05:15
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crackgeorge05:26
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cracki think i got it05:27
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crackok well my ntfs work didnt work i dont think05:29
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epodmount -t ntfs /dev/sdc1 /media05:31
epodinsert device that suits you05:31
Agrajagwhat did you put in fstab?05:31
Agrajagand did you actually create an empty directory touse as a mountpoint?05:32
crackyea i did05:32
crackits ok05:32
crackim taking my time05:32
crackthat is one i will get tomorrow05:32
Agrajagwell what did you put in fstab?05:32
AgrajagI can help you right now05:33
cracki put what it said at ubuntus website05:33
crackexactly05:33
AgrajagI don't know what that is05:33
Agrajagpaste the line here05:33
cracklet me get back to the fstab hang on05:33
Agrajagand tell me what error you get when you try to mount.05:33
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cracklol gotta remember how to get to editing the fstab05:35
crack# /etc/fstab: static file system information.05:35
crack#05:35
crack# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>05:35
crackproc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       005:35
crack/dev/hdc3       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       105:35
crack/dev/hda        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       005:35
crack/dev/hdb        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       005:35
crack/dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       005:35
crack/dev/hda1 /mnt/winxpntfsdefaults/auto/uid=1000,gid=10000005:35
crackthats my fstab05:35
crackit dont look right05:35
crackbut its right05:35
crackso05:35
crackim wondering if i am not mounting it right05:35
Agrajagcrack: don't do that again.05:35
AgrajagI asked you to paste one line.05:36
epodisn't Agrajag from HHGTG?05:36
Agrajagdefaults/auto/uid=1000,gid=10005:36
Agrajagwhy are those slashes there?05:36
Agrajagepod: yes05:36
Agrajaghe was the being that Arthur killed many times over05:36
epodkill arthur dent life05:36
epodyes.05:36
epod:D05:36
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crackagrajag wana talk one on one?05:37
HrdwrBoBlol05:37
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Agrajagcrack: replace those slahes in the options section with commas05:37
meltbanana314has anyone gotten the enlightenment wm working in Ubuntu?05:37
Agrajagcrack: it'd be better in here, if I give you bad advice someone else can chime in.05:37
crackk05:37
Agrajagwait05:37
Agrajag/dev/hda is your cdrom?05:37
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cracknah05:38
crackit shouldnt be05:38
crackyea it is05:38
Agrajagit is?05:38
crackyep05:38
AgrajagThen your windows partition can not be hda105:38
cracki dont use an A drive05:38
Agrajagwhat05:38
crackno floppy05:38
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crackuseless05:38
Agrajagthat's not the same thing.05:38
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crackit moves the mount points05:38
Agrajaghda is primary master.05:38
Agrajagno05:38
crackah05:38
crackum05:38
crackthats weird05:39
Agrajagdrive letters are a stupid windows... thing.05:39
crackyea05:39
Agrajagin linux, hda is primary master05:39
crackoh05:39
Agrajaghdb is primary slave05:39
crackhmm05:39
cracki dont know then05:39
Agrajaghdc, secondary master, hdd, secondary slave05:39
crackthats just what my fstab says05:39
cracki have it parted up05:39
crackfor dual05:39
crackboot05:39
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crackxp/ubuntu05:39
crackand 1 drive for all my music and movies and shizzle05:40
Agrajagok05:40
Agrajagtry this05:40
Agrajagsudo cfdisk /dev/hda05:40
AgrajagDON'T CHANGE ANYTHING05:40
crackk hang on05:40
regeyaas we all know, /dev/hda makes a lot more sense than c:\05:40
Agrajagjust look05:40
Agrajagregeya: it does when your OS sees it as /dev/hda throughout the whole system05:41
AgrajagNT does not use drive letters "under the hood"05:41
crackit says open disk you have no permission to write05:41
regeyahrm...05:41
epodhm05:41
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wartyWOW05:41
epodI need a car stereo that plays .ogg05:41
epodis there sucha  thing?05:41
wartyubuntu is NICE!!!!!!!05:41
Agrajagcrack: use sudo05:41
wartyim impressed05:41
regeyawell, then it's not entirely accurate to refer to drive letters as a stupid windows thing, but I'm shutting up now. :-}05:41
wartythis is debian???????05:41
AgrajagI said, "sudo cfdisk /dev/hda"05:42
wartyall i can say is WOW05:42
wartyi used the livecd05:42
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Agrajagregeya: it is, because it's what's seen by the user05:42
regeyaI've been working too much with Macs lately, where volumes show up as whatever the hell you name them.05:42
jdz`warty: It's even more awsome once you install it :D05:42
epodregeya: I actually like that05:42
cracki did05:42
Agrajagregeya: well, that's how it works with Gnome, more or less05:42
crackit says05:42
crackopened disk05:42
Agrajagreally?05:42
wartywarty:  I always liked debian alot05:42
crackyou have no permission to write05:42
wartyerrr i mean jdz05:42
wartylol05:43
Agrajagok05:43
crackthen it says05:43
crackwhen i hit enter05:43
regeyafor example, the USB drive I've got plugged in now shows up as "SHANE" at work on my OS X station, and here at home, it shows up as, um, "sda1"05:43
crackit says05:43
Agrajagwhat happens when you simply use mount, without using the fstab entry?05:43
crackdo i want to start with zero table?05:43
Agrajagno05:43
Agrajagjust forget it05:43
crackkk05:43
regeyahrm...that makes me wonder...05:43
wartyjdz:   so ubuntu is completely gnome based tho with all its config settings right?05:43
Agrajagwhat happens when you try to mount?05:43
epodregeya: yeah, that happens to me.  sda1 for my USB drive05:43
crackmount05:43
crackwhat is the cmd exactly?05:43
Agrajaguh05:44
Agrajagok05:44
crackmount /dev/hda05:44
wartyjdz:  Other distros often have their own config sections seperate from gnome05:44
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|rufius|anyone know if there's a word count tool in OpenOffice?05:44
wartylike suse with yast2, etc....05:44
Agrajagchange those slashes to commas05:44
crackkk05:44
Agrajagin the options section in fstab05:44
cracki did05:44
regeyawonder if it'd be pssible to get hotplug to use the volume's label when mounting the device... *evil grin*05:44
cracklemme restart x05:44
Agrajagthen try "mount /dev/hda1"05:44
wartyjdz:  I always thought those features should be worked out with gnome tho05:44
Agrajagcrack: `what why05:44
Agrajagstop05:44
wartyubuntu gets the message :)05:44
crackit says restart x05:44
Agrajagwhy are you restarting X?05:44
Agrajagwhat does?05:44
crackit says to do so when i alter my fstab05:44
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Agrajagbullshit.05:45
Agrajagdon't do anything.05:45
crackok05:45
crackok05:45
Agrajaggo back to the terminal now05:45
jdz`warty: I totaly agree.  This is a good thing, hopefuly Ubuntu will help contribute better tools to Gnome itself :)05:45
crackk05:45
Agrajag"sudo mount /dev/hda1"05:45
Agrajagwhat happens?05:45
Agrajaganything?05:45
crackmount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist05:45
Agrajagaha05:45
Agrajagok05:46
Agrajagthen hda must be your CD drive, somehow05:46
Agrajagodd05:46
crackwow05:46
crackk05:46
Agrajagtry this:05:46
Agrajagchange /dev/hda1 to /dev/hdc105:46
Agrajagif you have ubuntu and windows on the same drive, I bet that's where windows is.05:47
cracknope05:47
crackerros05:47
Agrajagwhat error?05:47
Agrajagoh05:47
crackbash: change: command not found05:47
Agrajag.....05:47
Agrajagjesus christ man05:47
cracklol05:47
wm_eddieWOW...05:47
AgrajagOPEN FSTAB, CHANGE /dev/hda1 to /dev/hdc105:47
crackah05:48
wm_eddieI never thought I'd see that with my own eyes...05:48
crackkk05:48
Agrajagwow just wow05:48
Agrajagzenwhen: are you here05:48
George^Dekahow do i install the win32 codecs - i dont want to install mplayer if i dont have to05:48
crackI a serious newb05:48
zenwhenAgrajag, yes.05:48
zenwhensup?05:48
Agrajagr u lmao05:48
Agrajaganyway05:48
zenwhenWait, you are my zaphy.05:48
Agrajagcrack: make that change05:48
Agrajagzenwhen: 8)05:49
zenwhen:D05:49
Agrajagcrack: then go back to the terminal05:49
zenwhenhttp://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=1763984#176398405:49
Agrajagand do "sudo mount /mnt/winxp"05:49
zenwhenman theres a bunch of trolls on the gentoo forums tonight05:49
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tsengzenwhen: man, theres a bunch of trolls in #ubuntu tonight05:49
Xenguycrack: I'm one of those of the (old-fashioned?) opinion that "newbs" shouldn't feel obligated to apologize, or feel inferior =)05:49
tsengzenwhen: stop brining up gentoo here, please.05:49
Agrajaghahah05:50
Agrajaghe's not bringin up gentoo, he's bringing up trolling05:50
Rene_SGentoo, Igloo, Peekaboo05:50
Agrajagtrolling is distro-agnostic05:50
Agrajagcrack: make that change yet?05:50
crackagrajag where do i put that line?05:50
crackat the end?05:50
tsengAgrajag, no he was going on about it earlier also05:50
tsengoh well.05:50
Agrajagcrack: what line?05:50
zenwhenI in no way support anyones use of that distro.05:50
zenwhenlol05:50
Agrajagkeep the one you have.05:50
crackthe change line05:50
Agrajagwhat change line?05:51
crackoh05:51
cracknm05:51
Rene_SCrap looks like FreeBSD is 2 cd's05:51
cracki think i get what you are saying05:51
Agrajagdon't tell me you're going to put "change /dev/hda1 to /dev/hdc1" IN fstab?05:51
Agrajagyes05:51
crackno05:51
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Agrajagwhere it says /dev/hda105:51
crackthat was my question05:51
Agrajagon the line you added05:51
crackbut i know now05:51
bk3+05:51
Agrajagmake it say /dev/hdc105:51
Agrajagok05:52
cracki did05:52
Agrajagok, you changed it and saved the file?05:52
Agrajagand you're at the command line?05:52
Agrajag"sudo mount /mnt/winxp"05:53
Agrajagdoes that give you any errors?05:53
Xenguyhuh05:53
cracknow05:53
crackyep05:53
crackits done05:53
crackmount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist05:53
George^Dekahow do i install the win32 codecs - i dont want to install mplayer if i dont have to05:53
Agrajagcrack: stop trying to mount /dev/hda105:53
Agrajag"sudo mount /mnt/winxp"05:53
crackok05:53
crackok05:53
crack$ sudo mount /mnt/winxp05:54
crackmount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist05:54
XenguyAgrajag: is that a valid mount syntax?05:54
Agrajagcrack: did you change that line in /etc/fstab?05:54
AgrajagXenguy: yes05:54
crackdo i need to change that to hda05:54
crackinstead of a105:54
Agrajaghe has that mountpoint in fstab05:54
Agrajagno05:54
Agrajagnot a at all05:54
Agrajagc05:54
XenguyAgrajag: should it not be -> mount <device> <mount-point>  ?05:54
Agrajagthe line should read: /dev/hdc1  /mnt/winxp ntfs defaults,auto,ro,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 005:55
AgrajagXenguy: no.05:55
XenguyAgrajag: OK, I see what you are doing05:55
AgrajagXenguy: if it's in /etc/fstab, all you need is one or the other.05:55
wartywow05:55
XenguyAgrajag: nod05:55
wartyubuntu has all the sounds working too05:55
wartyubuntu has alot going for it05:55
crackok so what now?05:55
Xenguywarty: promising, eh?  :-)05:56
Agrajagcrack: save the file.05:56
wartyxenguy:  u know i tried novell desktop 9 and it crashed my system05:56
cracki did05:56
wartyi went thru alot of distros05:56
crackwanna see it again?05:56
Agrajaggo back to the command line.05:56
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Agrajagno.05:56
wartythis one configured my system 100% no problems05:56
crackkk05:56
Agrajaggo back to the command line05:56
Agrajagrun "sudo mount /mnt/winxp"05:57
Xenguywarty: based on Debian GNU/Linux ;-)05:57
Agrajaganything happen?05:57
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crackmount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist05:57
Agrajagcrack: .....05:57
crackdude05:57
wartyxenguy:  So was linspire but it didnt work on my system :P and linspire is horrible05:57
crackthe winxp05:57
Agrajagyou're doing something very very wrong.05:57
crackin fstab05:57
crackis pointing to hda 105:57
AgrajagAre you SURE you're saving the file?05:57
crackyes05:57
wartyxenguy:  I dont care if its debian or redhat based05:58
cracki will brb05:58
Agrajagcrack: what05:58
crackgonna restart x05:58
Agrajagwait05:58
Agrajagone thing05:58
wartyas long as it works well and ubuntu does :)05:58
Agrajagno05:58
Agrajagno05:58
Agrajagno05:58
crackk05:58
Agrajagthis has NOTHING to do with X05:58
Agrajagpaste the output of this:05:58
Xenguywarty: I definitely do - philosophy of freedom is important to me05:58
Agrajagcat /etc/fstab |grep winxp05:58
crackwhat is that?05:58
Agrajagit's a command, which will print out ONLY the line which has that mountpoint in it.05:59
wartyxenguy:  fedora is freedom too right?05:59
AgrajagI don't want you spamming the channel again05:59
wartyxenguy:  Fedora is 100% opensource i thought05:59
Agrajagjust paste that one line in here.05:59
Agrajagplease.05:59
crackcat /etc/fstab |grep winxp05:59
crack/dev/hda1       /mnt/winxp      ntfs    defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000       0       005:59
Agrajagok05:59
AgrajagYou said you changed it.05:59
AgrajagYou didn't.05:59
cracki did05:59
Agrajagyou didn't.05:59
Xenguywarty: oh sure (do get me wrong) - it's just that Debian is non-commercial, a volunteer effort like the original Linux kernel, so I like that :-)05:59
AgrajagYou didn't save it anyway05:59
Xenguyheh05:59
crackyou mean to c right05:59
crackhdc06:00
Xenguywarty: s/do/don't06:00
George^Dekamake /dev/hda1 to /dev/hdc106:00
Agrajagcrack: run this:06:00
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Agrajagshitr06:00
AgrajagI can't think of how to do it in one line06:00
Majestic|LinuxHey NJ person06:00
wartyxenguy right but ubuntu isnt :)06:00
Majestic|Linuxi' from NY ;)06:00
wartyxenguy:  Well i guess it is06:00
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wartyxenguy:  Does ubuntu have plans for a gui installer possibly?06:00
crack/dev/hdc1        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto06:01
Xenguywarty: you should be very clear - Ubuntu may be financed by a millionaire, but it is solidly based on Debian (and says so in no uncertain terms on its web site)06:01
crackthat is what it is06:01
Agrajagcrack: ok06:01
AgrajagNOW06:01
wartyxenguy:  Debian has one planned i think for a gui installer06:01
Agrajagrun "sudo mount /mnt/winxp"06:01
crackdude06:01
cracki didnt change it06:01
Agrajagwait06:01
Agrajagno06:01
Agrajagyou changed the worng one!06:01
crackthat is what came up06:01
Xenguywarty: GUI installer planned for next release (hoary)06:01
Agrajagchange that BACK to /dev/hda06:01
Agrajagchange that BACK to /dev/hda06:01
wartyxenguy text or graphical?06:01
Agrajagcrack: ok06:02
Xenguywarty: GUI == graphical06:02
crackgot it06:02
cracki get it06:02
NJpersonMajestic|Linux:  Where in NY?06:02
AgrajagI'm not entirely sure you do.06:02
wartyxenguy:  Based on debian code or custom?06:02
Majestic|LinuxI was using Ubuntu via vmware on my amd athlon xp-m 2800+ 768mb ddr 30gb DSL/router and it was so had to do anything via apt-get , I've used Libranet and its the easiest Deb Based and I can do any apt-get install whatever06:02
Majestic|LinuxNYC06:02
Majestic|LinuxBut with Ubuntu I had trouble06:02
cracki got it06:02
crackit works now06:02
Agrajagit does?06:02
crackyep06:02
crackits there06:02
Agrajagmounts, you see all your files?06:02
Majestic|Linuxtomorrow I'm gonna install it fulltime on my linux box, celeron 634mhz 256sdram 20gb how does that setup sounds for Ubuntu?06:02
crackyep06:03
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Agrajagok good.06:03
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Xenguywarty: Ubuntu is committed to taking and giving back to Debian - so hopefully (if things go according to plan) it will be a reciprocal and mutually beneficial relationship06:03
cracknow06:03
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cracksince we got that one working06:03
crackthat isnt my music drive06:03
cracklol06:03
George^Dekanow just to double check do -- cd mnt/winxp -- then do ls06:03
wartyxenguy no i mean is ubuntu creating the gui installer from scratch?06:04
Agrajagcrack: make a copy of that line06:04
wartyxenguy:  Or are they using another existing installer?06:04
Agrajagchange hdc1 to hdc206:04
Xenguywarty: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/philosophy/document_view for more info06:04
Agrajagand give it a different mount point.06:04
crackuh06:04
Xenguywarty: I'm not sure on that point06:04
George^Dekawell maybe you have it partitioned, so it will be /dev/hdc2/ -- if it was c we endedup using06:04
crackchange c1 to 2?06:04
Agrajagyes06:04
crackah06:04
crackkk06:05
crackok06:05
cracki changed it to hdc206:05
George^Dekai would just add another line if i was you so you can access that other drive later if you want, if you do that you have to change the winxp part to be something else because they cannot be the same06:05
Agrajagthat's what I said.06:06
Agrajagmake a copy of the line, change the partition, change the mount point.06:06
crackok06:07
George^DekaAgrajag: sorry missed that part, too much text filling my screen06:07
cracki am going to try to mount the other one now06:07
crackwhat would be the command now?06:08
Agrajagcrack: what mount point did you give it?06:08
crackhdc206:08
Agrajaguh06:08
Agrajagno06:08
Agrajagthat's the device06:08
crackoh06:08
Agrajagthe mount point would be like /mnt/winxp06:08
crackah06:08
crackkk06:08
Agrajagonly you need to make it different06:08
Agrajagyou can't mount two filesystems on one point06:09
crackok what do i name it?06:09
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crackntfs2?06:09
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Agrajagwhat06:09
crackits ntfs06:09
Agrajagleave ntfs as it is06:09
crackso06:09
crackkk06:09
Agrajagntfs is the fs type06:09
wartyubuntus logo is nice and clean :)06:09
Agrajagthe part that says /mnt/winxp06:09
cracki know that06:09
Agrajagdo you see it?06:09
crackwhat do i put in there for the winxp?06:10
wartyunlike many many other os's06:10
cracksorry06:10
crackbad wording06:10
wartyerr distros06:10
wartyso ubuntu has alot of bigshots over at gnome + freedesktop i hear? :)06:10
Agrajagcrack: whatever you want06:10
Agrajagmake it /mnt/music if it's just music06:10
wartyand ubuntu has bucks!06:10
wartyall good for us :)06:10
Agrajagthen you'll have to go to the command line and do "mkdir /mnt/music"06:10
wartyubuntu is the best distro ive seen in a long time :)06:10
wartyfinally something giving back to the community06:11
zenwhenmore like sudo mkdir am i rite06:11
Agrajagzenwhen: oh rite06:11
wartyi mean in a big way06:11
Agrajag"sudo mkdir /mnt/music"06:11
zenwhenounch the binrat06:11
zenwhenso does xorg work pretty well in hoary06:12
bob2only a couple of new bugs over xfree8606:12
Agrajagzenwhen: voted name for release #306:12
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crackok its not pulling up my music or files06:12
cracki created it06:12
crackbut nothings there06:12
Agrajagcrack: created the mountpoint?06:12
AgrajagDid you then mount the partition?06:13
crackyep06:13
Agrajag"sudo mount /mnt/music"?06:13
zenwhenBrave Binrat06:13
zenwhenthat would be a rockin name06:13
Agrajagounchy the binrat06:13
zenwhenid oucnh it06:13
zenwheno;06:13
crack wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc2,06:13
crack       or too many mounted file systems06:13
crack       (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,06:13
crack       instead of some logical partition inside?)06:13
Agrajagugh, generic error06:14
crackyea06:14
joejianghello everyone06:14
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Agrajag"sudo mount /dev/hdc2 -t ntfs /mnt/music -o ro" does the same thing?06:15
crackhang on06:16
cracksudo mount /dev/hdc2 -t ntfs /mnt/winxp2 -0 ro06:17
cracklol06:17
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Agrajag-o not -006:18
crack $ sudo mount /dev/hdc2 -t ntfs /mnt/winxp2 -0 ro06:18
crackmount: invalid option -- 006:18
crackUsage: mount -V                 : print version06:18
crack       mount -h                 : print this help06:18
crack       mount                    : list mounted filesystems06:18
crack       mount -l                 : idem, including volume labels06:18
crackSo far the informational part. Next the mounting.06:18
crackThe command is `mount [-t fstype]  something somewhere'.06:18
crackDetails found in /etc/fstab may be omitted.06:19
crack       mount -a [-t|-O]  ...     : mount all stuff from /etc/fstab06:19
crack       mount device             : mount device at the known place06:19
crack       mount directory          : mount known device here06:19
Agrajaggod DAMNIT06:19
bob2format is rong06:19
AgrajagSTOP06:19
crack       mount -t type dev dir    : ordinary mount command06:19
crackNote that one does not really mount a device, one mounts06:19
Agrajagit's not -0, it's -o06:19
cracka filesystem (of the given type) found on the device.06:19
crackOne can also mount an already visible directory tree elsewhere:06:19
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crack       mount --bind olddir newdir06:19
crackor move a subtree:06:19
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Agrajagsigh06:19
Agrajagcrack: if you can read this, do NOT spam in here06:19
Agrajagsecondly, it's -o, not -0.06:19
Agrajagall you have to do is copy and pate the command.06:19
Agrajagsudo mount /dev/hdc2 -t ntfs /mnt/music -o ro06:20
bob2he can see you, he just can't write anything for now06:20
Agrajagselect it with your mouse. then go to the command line and middle-click.06:20
George^Dekahow do you search your system for a partical file, because it seems like the gnome search is not working06:20
Agrajagor,if you have no middle button, click both left and right.06:20
zenwhendid he just... paste his fstab?06:20
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Agrajagzenwhen: he did earlier when I asked him to paste one line06:20
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zenwhenha06:20
Agrajagnow he's pasted the entire help output from mount.06:20
bob2crack: please be more careful in future06:20
bob2George^Deka: "locate"06:21
George^Dekabob2: thanks06:21
crackwell06:21
crackmore careful?06:22
crackwhat do u mean?06:22
bob2to not flood the channel with crap06:22
crackim not trying06:22
bob2well, just don't do it again06:22
crackwow06:22
bob2?06:22
crackdidnt realize it was a big deal that i post that06:22
bob2it's really really annoying and disruptive06:22
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Agrajagdude06:22
Agrajagthat was like 15 lines06:22
bob2and makes it impossible to help anyone else06:22
bob2anyway06:22
bob2crack: 15:20:05        Agrajag |  sudo mount /dev/hdc2 -t ntfs /mnt/music -o ro06:23
crackbob, you could probably be a little nicer...06:23
bob2crack: that's the exact command to run06:23
cracki understand now06:23
bob2crack: I think I was very nice06:23
Agrajagcrack: he could have just kickbanned you instead06:23
bob2but anyway, we all learnt a valuable lesson about not smoking behind the bike shed at school06:23
crackleaving it alone.....06:23
Agrajagbecause knowlegde is power!06:24
Agrajagor something06:24
crackok06:24
crackit errors06:24
bob2Agrajag: and peer pressure is bad!06:24
Agrajagcrack: same generic error as before?06:24
crackyep06:24
cracksame06:24
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Agrajagcrack: is this music stuff on the same hard drive?06:25
Agrajagor another one?06:25
bob2are you sure you ran the *exact* command Agrajag gave you?06:25
crackyes just partitioned06:25
Agrajagok, one drive06:25
crackyes i ran it just changed the music to winxp206:25
Agrajagsudo mount /dev/hdc4 -t ntfs /mnt/music -o ro06:25
Agrajagtry that06:25
Agrajagsudo mount /dev/hdc4 -t ntfs /mnt/winxp2 -o ro06:25
Agrajagthan06:25
Agrajagthen06:25
Agrajagergh06:25
crackis one line ok?06:26
Agrajagcrack: one line is fine06:26
crackfor the error06:26
crackmount: special device /dev/hdc4 does not exist06:26
Agrajagok06:26
Agrajagdo you know how you partitioned this?06:27
crackyep06:27
AgrajagI mean, did you use extended partitions or something?06:27
crack10/10/6006:27
cracknope06:27
crack2 ntfs06:27
HrdwrBoBsudo fdisk -l /dev/hdc06:27
crack1 open06:27
crackfor linux06:27
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Agrajagcrack: run that line HrdwrBoB just posted06:27
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crackhdc5 is it06:28
Agrajagok06:28
crackthank you hrdwrbob06:28
Agrajagrun that, then06:28
Agrajagand make it hdc5 in /etc/fstab and all that good stuff06:30
crackok06:30
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crackdo i have to mkdir it?06:30
Agrajagmkdir what?06:30
Agrajagyou already made the mount point,I thought06:31
crackhdc5?06:31
crackyea06:31
Agrajagno06:31
cracki did06:31
Agrajagthat's a device06:31
crackk06:31
Agrajagit's a special kind of file which already exists06:31
zenwhen:/06:31
Agrajag:\06:31
zenwhen;)06:31
crackok06:31
Agrajag:D06:31
crackhow do i mount it now06:31
crackits done06:31
Agrajagmount /mnt/winxp206:32
zenwhentcl alert06:32
Agrajagno shaniqua here06:32
crackhow bout this....06:32
zenwhen2 back06:32
crackmount: according to mtab, /dev/hdc5 is already mounted on /mnt/winxp206:32
crackmount failed06:32
zenwhencrack computer adventures06:32
Agrajagoh06:32
Agrajagsudo umount /mnt/winxp206:32
Agrajagthen try mounting it again06:32
cracknot a cmd06:33
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Agrajagwhat's not a cmd06:33
crackit said c0mmand not found06:34
Agrajagwhat command?06:34
Agrajagsudo umount /mnt/winxp2?06:34
crackunmount06:34
Agrajagnot unmount06:34
Agrajagread it again06:34
Agrajagsudo umount /mnt/winxp2?06:34
Agrajagsudo umount /mnt/winxp206:34
cracklol06:34
crackalright!06:34
crackdamn06:35
Agrajagok06:35
crackim sure that was like pulling teeth06:35
crackim sorry guys06:35
Agrajagnow06:35
crackim learning06:35
zenwhen what is the 'stat' cmd do ?  :D06:35
Agrajaghave you installed the stuff you need to play mp3s?06:35
crackxmms06:35
crackyep06:35
Agrajagzenwhen: this isn't #arch06:35
Agrajagoh ok06:35
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zenwheno06:35
zenwhenD:06:35
crackbut06:35
eclipsehh06:35
Agrajagbuuuut?06:35
crackhow do i get to the music using xmms06:36
cracki kjnow the pl06:36
crackplay list06:36
crackbut06:36
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crackhow do i choose an ntfs file for the list06:36
zenwhenhave you used winamp?06:36
crackyea06:36
zenwhenkinda like that06:36
Agrajagyou can just drag and drop folders from Nautilus into the playlist06:36
zenwhenyeah06:36
crackok06:36
zenwhendo that06:36
crackim in06:38
crackthanks guys06:38
crackALOT06:38
Agrajagno problem duder06:39
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cracki have learned so much from you guys tonight06:40
hoartywarthogHi06:40
crackmore than i did with mandrake06:40
Agrajaghoartywarthog: meatwire06:40
hoartywarthoggood06:40
hoartywarthogo;06:40
hoartywarthogoh snaaaaaa06:41
Agrajagzenwhen: gg06:41
zenwhenlol06:41
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humanfellowHi all06:50
jdz`Hi!06:51
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vczcxvczhello all06:56
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zenwhenhey06:58
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gomorrahis anyone there06:59
Agrajagno06:59
HrdwrBoBno07:00
joejiang_:)07:01
joejiang_alias07:01
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new2linuxhi is there a vnc program for x that will allow me to view my linux box from a windows machine?07:05
HrdwrBoBnew2linux: yes07:05
new2linuxis it in synaptic?07:05
HrdwrBoBcomputer->desktop preferences->remote desktop07:06
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new2linuxaww easy enough thanks07:06
siimohi any freenode staff members here07:06
new2linuxwill try now07:06
gomorrahhi all07:06
Lathiatsiimo: Why would there be freenode staff in here?07:06
gomorrahgot a little bit of a problem with ubuntu07:07
siimoLathiat, cause i saw 1 before?07:07
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Lathiatsiimo: And if you want help, this is not the appopriate place to find it...07:07
Lathiatif they are in here, its for their personal reasons, not as a staff member07:07
Ruffian|JANE|does ubuntu use kernel 2.6.8 or 2.6.9?07:07
siimoLathiat, well it doesnt help that #freenode is voice only so general people cant get help there07:07
new2linuxquestion for you it says allow them to connect to new2linux.example.com do i just open the host file and put in my ip in there?07:08
Lathiatsiimo: Try reading the topic of #freenode07:08
Lathiatsiimo: They're there for a reason07:08
siimotried that already07:08
LathiatSo you wait07:08
HrdwrBoBnew2linux: you don't need any hosts file07:09
Lathiatirc network admins are busy people, not only with the network but with their own lives, i know i used to be one (not for freenode, but none the less) -- if there are no staffers online, send an email as it says and it will be answered it due course07:09
new2linuxok well i guess i'm not understanding it correctly or something it say connect vncserver new2linux.example.com: 007:09
Lathiatnew2linux: no space07:10
humanfellowhow do i play video's on warty! no matter what i try, mpeg, real, etc. totem can't play07:10
new2linuxok but here is my question07:10
HrdwrBoBnew2linux: you have to use the IP address of your computer07:10
Lathiatoh07:10
Lathiatvncserver07:10
new2linuxhow does my windows box on a totall different ip07:10
new2linuxok that was my question07:10
Lathiatno just run "vncserver"07:10
Agrajaghumanfellow: install totem-xine07:10
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Agrajaggstreamer kind of sucks07:10
new2linuxlet me try07:10
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Agrajagsucks a lot07:10
new2linuxthanks for the hlep07:10
Lathiatthen use a vnc client to connect to your host on :0 or :1 or whatever07:10
new2linuxerr help even07:10
new2linuxgotcha07:10
new2linuxso its the same as tightvnc07:11
bob2gstreamer is great07:11
bob2patents suck07:11
Agrajagwhat07:11
Agrajagoh07:11
Lathiathumanfellow: Please keep in mind that installing totem-xine takes you away from the ubuntu-desktop, which means you can no longer be supported (i.e. bugs for bugzilla aren't valid, etc)07:11
new2linuxgoign to try now brb07:11
Agrajagcripes07:11
Lathiathumanfellow: and future upgrades might break07:11
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Agrajagjust install xine by itself then07:11
Lathiator mplayer07:11
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new2linuxok i ran the remote desktop and it says vncviewer new2linux.example.com:0 to connect i donwloaded tight vnc on my windows box why can't i type in the access panel myipaddress:0 and it work or do i have to issue a command on here to actually launch the server?07:17
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DeepSpaceAnthey ubnutu'n ppl ~_~07:20
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udDoes apt-get upgrade ubuntu to the latest kernel or is that something that needs to be done on its own?07:21
udanyone?07:24
Rob|Linuxhttp://www.desktop-linux.net/apt-get.htm07:24
zenwhengoodnight ubuntu07:25
new2linuxany idea?07:26
new2linuxi can't seem to login :(07:26
joejiang_any one know jabber programming07:26
joejiang_perl jabber programming for GUI application is interesting07:27
udthanks Rob|Linux07:28
udill have a read :)07:28
joejiang_sorry for mistake07:31
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Rob|Linuxwelcome :)07:34
George^Dekais there a way to install w32 codecs without having to install mplayer ?07:35
Agrajagwhat other programs use w32codecs?07:37
udhmm that explains apt-get more than explains anything about upgrading a kernel07:38
udanyone else got any useful links or tips?07:38
George^DekaAgrajag: thats what i am asking, is there a way to make totem or xine use w32 codecs07:39
Agrajagtotem, no, not if you're using gstreamer07:40
Agrajagxine might07:41
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new2linuxtightvnc says port 5901 according to the log and the xvncviewer says :1 so which do i use are they totally different or what?07:43
Agrajagaccording to apt-cache mplayer isn't a dependency07:43
opimorning07:43
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drew_i can't use any root progs07:44
opinew2linux: :1 it's VNC's way to telling you it's base + 107:44
drew_like netowrk config07:44
drew_it always says i can't log in, and it terminated the child process07:44
drew_and i just hadf ot format cos i was leaking memory like a sieve07:44
opidrew_: sudo program07:44
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George^DekaAgrajag: i think xine might need xine-w32 which is not provided in multiverse07:45
stubIs there some way I can put a bigger trashcan on my desktop, or am I SOL?07:45
drew_ah, don;t worry, got it07:45
Agrajagstub: sure07:45
Agrajagyou might have to fight with gconf a bit07:45
Agrajaglet me find the key'07:45
Agrajagok07:46
new2linuxwell dang i don't know what i'm doing wrong but it will not connect07:46
Agrajagstub: Applications>System Tools>Configuration Editor07:46
new2linuxi put the windows box on dmz so i could get rid of routing prooblems for the test07:46
new2linuxbut it will not let me connect to this box i type 24.99.11.92:1 and get nothing :(07:46
Agrajagstub: /apps/nautilus/desktop/trash_icon_visible07:46
stubTa07:47
Agrajagcheck that box, you'll immediately get a trash icon07:47
Agrajagand you can stretch it out to be about as big as you want07:47
opinew2linux: see if vncserver is up07:47
new2linuxnow do i tell?07:47
opinew2linux: ps x | grep vnc07:47
new2linuxok07:47
stubAgrajag: Working. Thanks :-)07:47
opinew2linux: netstat -a07:47
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new2linuxwell ps displayed some information but i'm not sure exactly what i'm looking for :(07:49
new2linux5901 and 5902 are listening according to netstat07:50
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new2linuxopi: i typed ps and killed the processes with kill <id>07:56
new2linuxand started tightvncserver again any idea what to try :(07:56
opiIm running normal vncserver without any problem07:57
new2linuxok07:57
opiit you run it for the first time, it will ask for vncpassword and store it in .vnc07:57
new2linuxwell normal you mean remote desktop right?07:57
opinormal != not tight07:57
new2linuxok its not even promptin me for that though :(07:57
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opithen it just respawns another X session via VNC07:58
new2linuxwhat viewer are you using maybe thats my issue07:58
opivncviewer (or xvncvierwer)07:58
new2linuxok for windows?07:58
new2linuxas in will it work on windows?07:59
opiI don't own windows machines07:59
new2linuxok07:59
new2linuxwell thats why i'm wondering if i can vnc to linux from a windows machine07:59
new2linuxlet me try again07:59
Agrajagof course you can07:59
Agrajagvnc is platform-agnostic07:59
opisame goes for HTTP, POP3 or any standard protocol07:59
new2linuxthats what i thought i'm sure i can but the question i hve is how :)08:00
new2linuxsomething is either blocking it or something08:00
opinew2linux: for Windows server/client I have used http://realvnc.com08:00
new2linuxok let me try that08:00
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gomorrahanyone able to help solve my screen resolution problems??08:03
opigomorrah: don't ask to ask08:04
new2linuxcrap opi any cahnce you can try my ip with vnc and see if it ask for a pass? i'm not sure what is up08:04
opinew2linux: I could08:05
opinew2linux: give me your IP, and I'll try08:05
new2linux24.99.11.9208:05
gomorrahjust being polite, wanna help?? its a problem, my screen is showing up in 1024*760, but i have a 640*480 display in the middle of the screen, with black filling the rest of the screen08:06
opinew2linux: hmmm, can I nmap you?08:06
new2linuxgo for it08:06
gomorrahis anyone here??08:07
pepsinope08:07
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opidon't ask :D08:09
opicould you give me an IP again?08:09
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infornographyDoes anybody know which files I have to add in order to add another session to the GDM menu?08:23
infornographyOne is in /usr/share/xsessions/ I'm pretty sure, but there is another one somewhere.08:23
opiinfornography: packages should add new sessions automagiclly08:23
infornographyYeah, but I compiled it from source, so I don't have that option08:24
opihum..08:24
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new2linuxis there a way to restart gnome? without a hardboot for some reason when i try to access terminal it trys to startup but then goes away08:28
cyrus-tcnew2linux, simply logoff and logon?08:30
new2linuxok let me try that08:30
umarmunginfornography, you have to add a .desktop file in any of the session directories. Look in /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf which directories are used.08:31
infornographyThanks a lot, I'll do that08:31
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bigtony_ok i'm still trying it can't get this vnc to work :( i went to terminal and typed vncserver as well and still can't connect to it from my windows box :(08:35
Burgundaviaanybody else having slow connections to the servers?08:35
Burgundaviafor apt that is08:36
Treenaksbigtony_: there's a VNC server built-in in gnome, look at the configuration menu08:38
bigtony_i did08:39
bigtony_but i cna't connect :(08:39
Treenaksbigtony_: try logging out/in08:39
bigtony_i logged out of gnome and back in08:39
bigtony_the vnc will not connect08:39
Treenaksbigtony_: well, then you can connect, if you configured it right08:39
bigtony_i'ms ure if i configured it right thats the whole point :)08:39
Treenaksbigtony_: it's easy :) just check the 'Other people van view my desktop' and 'Require a password'08:40
Treenaksbigtony_: boxes08:40
bigtony_i did that08:40
bigtony_thats why i'm confused08:40
Treenaksbigtony_: what does "netstat -n   | grep 5900" say?08:41
bigtony_all boxes are checked and a password is in there08:41
bigtony_let me check08:41
bigtony_says nothing08:41
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bigtony_bigtony@bigtony:~ $ netstat -n | grep 590008:41
bigtony_bigtony@bigtony:~ $08:41
Treenaksbigtony_: then vino (the gnome vnc server) isn't running..08:41
Treenaksbigtony_: could you check the configuration window again?08:42
bigtony_thats computer/desktop preferences/remote desktop your talking about correct?08:42
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bigtony_all checks are in there08:43
bigtony_do i need to type vino or something to get it to run?08:45
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Treenaksbigtony_: I don't think so -- I never did and it's still running08:54
Treenaksbigtony_: but you can try..08:54
Treenaksbigtony_: btw, how are you trying to connect?08:54
bigtony_i use realvnc on my windows box08:54
Treenaksoh wait.. nothing was running a vnc server08:54
bigtony_i type in my ip:590108:54
bigtony_and nothing08:54
bigtony_if i type vncserver 127.0.0.1 on here08:54
bigtony_it works08:54
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bigtony_i mean viewer08:55
Treenaksuh08:56
Treenaksit's on 5900.. but you should just type your IP08:56
Treenaksit'll default to 590008:56
Treenaksand vino is already running..08:56
Treenaks(should)08:56
bigtony_ok08:57
bigtony_well when i type vncserver i get the following08:57
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nanotechhi, i'm interested in earning linux certs, are there any that anyone can sugest i start with?09:05
cef_worklpi09:05
nanotechlpi? what does that stand for?09:05
cef_workLinux Professionals Institute afaik09:05
nanotechany sugestions of works after this?09:06
cef_workI know a few of the testers. and it's the best one I've seen.... relatively cheap, distribution agnostic, and they don't feel bad about failing people09:07
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cef_workhttp://www.lpi.org/09:08
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Burgundaviananotech: Linux+ is fairly basic, with a lot of A+ and Server+ in it09:11
BurgundaviaLinux+ is Comptia09:11
BurgundaviaLinux Professional Institute has 2 levels (with a 3rd planned) of certs09:11
Burgundaviaeach level is 2 tests09:12
Burgundaviathus you take 101 and 102 and become level 1 certified09:12
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Burgundavia$100 USD a piece09:12
BurgundaviaLinux+ is currently in beta $7509:12
nanotechthat's pretty cheap09:12
Burgundavianormally $207 USD09:12
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Burgundaviathere is also RCHE/T, the red hat specific certs09:13
Burgundaviavery expensive 3k USD+09:13
nanotechcomptia is the cert company offering linux+?09:13
Burgundaviaalso Novell has started offering some certs09:13
Burgundaviayes09:13
iLLf8devening all is there a way to use the scroll on the mouse for workspace switching? and anyone know where you define hotkey shortcuts for launching apps (not shortcuts from w/in apps, and not shortcuts for predefined gnome actions)?09:13
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TreenaksiLLf8d: you can define hotkeys to start applications with the Configuration Editor09:14
nanotechwhere can i purchase study guides for these tests?09:14
umarmungiLLf8d, you cannot use the mousewheel with metacity09:14
Burgundaviananotech: Overall, I would go with LPI lvl 1. The best, most vendor neutral and up to date bang for your buck09:14
nanotechi will09:15
iLLf8dthanks ppls =)09:15
Tychehello09:15
nanotechbut i'd like more at least 209:15
BurgundaviaIn addition, you can suggest questions to LPI, as they are a non-profit, and decidely interested in user input09:15
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TycheHello09:15
iLLf8dhow goes it this evening btw?09:15
nanotechwhat are your opinions on linux+09:16
nanotech?09:16
TycheCan I su - root from my username on Ubuntu?09:16
BurgundaviaI am about to write Linux+, as my employer is paying for it09:16
TreenaksTyche: you can use sudo09:16
nanotechyou can "run as"09:16
nanotechyeah09:16
nanotechuse sudo09:16
TreenaksTyche: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo09:16
TreenaksTyche: it has an explanation of all possibilities09:16
Burgundaviananotech: otherwise I would have concentrated on LPI09:16
TycheTreenaks: Thanks09:17
nanotechwow.09:17
nanotechwell, i'm definatly looking into these09:17
nanotechthanks09:17
Burgundavianp09:17
TycheI have one other question on Apache/PHP09:18
nanotechi'm checking out the site's hompages's and will hopefully runinto study guides and other materials to get on my way09:18
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TycheWhen I goto localhost or type in the IP address I can see my phpinfo();09:18
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TycheBut, when I goto the IP address from another computer on the network, I have to actually type the IP address/index.php (index.php has my phpinfo(); )09:19
TycheAny ideas on that anyone?09:21
nanotechwhat's the problem, it seems that this is suposed to happen...09:22
nanotechif you're on the local box, shouldn't the local ip addy be implicit?09:23
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iLLf8dheh09:32
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schwukHow do I get my hostname to register with my dns server via dhcp?10:15
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schwukI've edited /etc/network/interfaces to add "hostname foo" to the dhcp section, but no joy10:16
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Kamionogra: yes?10:40
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pepsieh10:43
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wood1Is there any alternatives for PcAnyWhere in Ubuntu ?10:48
wood1Is there any alternatives for PcAnyWhere in Ubuntu ?10:48
Treenakswood1: there's a remote desktop server installed by default10:48
Treenakswood1: please ask questions only once, too :)10:48
Treenakswood1: you can configure it/turn it on in the Computer -> Desktop settings -> Remote Desktop menu10:48
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Treenakswood1: and you can also connect to other remote desktops using the program in the Applications menu10:49
wfxand or add any link to see what pcanywhere is10:49
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Treenakswfx: pcanywhere is a remote desktop thingy, afaik10:50
wfxTreenaks, like vnc, yes?10:50
TreenaksI think so.. google for it.. it should give you more details10:51
wfx:)10:51
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mos__is there an alternative for mplayer in ubuntu? i cant find it in the repos10:53
Treenaksmos__: there's the default movie player in the menu10:53
mos__ty10:53
Treenaksmos__: it can play anything mplayer can play, if you want10:53
mos__i see10:53
Treenaksmos__: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats -- it has a howto on how to make that work10:53
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wfxbonobo, dvd10:56
bonoboto view dvd's read this -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats10:56
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Treenakswfx: bonobo is T3h Bot?10:57
wfxTreenaks, i have add it for the faq here :-)10:58
TreenaksGoodness!10:58
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wfxso it is not allways active (if my isp cut my conecction)10:58
wfxoh it need som teaching but it works :-)10:59
wfxthe same yes :-)10:59
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wfxskyrider, yes it runs here10:59
wfxskyrider, you can also ask me!11:00
Treenakswfx, dvd11:00
Treenaks:P11:00
Falstiuseven on my gentoo system I can't get xine to play everything mplayer plays.  .mkv and .ogm files are just barfed on.11:00
wfxbonobo, dvd11:00
bonoboto view dvd's read this -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats11:00
TreenaksFalstius: ogm files work fine in totem11:00
skyriderwfx: :)11:00
skyriderbonobo: mp311:01
bonobofor mp3 music read -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats11:01
skyridercool toy ;)11:01
Treenaksbonobo: sudo11:01
bonoboTreenaks: Error: 'sudo' is not a valid command.11:01
skyriderbonobo: sex11:01
bonoboskyrider: Error: 'sex' is not a valid command.11:01
Treenakswfx: how do we teach it?11:01
daniels(please don't abuse the bot)11:01
Treenakssudo/root stuff is explained on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo11:02
FalstiusTreenaks, you're right it is just mkv11:02
topylidoes the bot have a help command?11:02
Falstiushadn't played with it for awhile and forgot :)11:02
wfxhttp://supybot.sourceforge.net/docs/commands.html11:02
wfxbtw11:02
wfxbonobo, sex11:02
bonoboim in love with ubuntu11:02
topyliwfx: ok thanks11:02
mos__yeah ubuntu is now my favorite distro11:03
wfxbonobo, root11:04
bonobosudo/root stuff is explained on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo11:04
TreenaksI wouldn't say "stuff" :)11:04
wfx:)11:04
TreenaksI'd say "The reason ubuntu uses sudo instead of a root account is explained on <url>"11:04
wfxdone11:05
Treenaksbonobo, sudo11:06
bonobosudo/root The reason ubuntu uses sudo instead of a root account is explained on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo11:06
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wfxbonobo, wfx11:10
bonobohmmm, teg.sf.net , http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=17776 , and somthing else ;-)11:10
wfx;-)11:10
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mos__hmmm can someone explain to me what the ubuntu-desktop package is and why xine would need to remove it?11:16
wfxthis packae is to install the main desktop, and i think you dont need it later :-)11:17
topyliubuntu-desktop depends on all the default desktop packages. you can remove it11:17
Kamionhowever, note that this may mean that later upgrades aren't as smooth as they might otherwise be11:17
mos__hmm ok so its nothing that important11:18
wfxadd to bonobo but aks him with ubuntudesktop11:18
wfxask11:19
mos__pardon?11:19
Kamionlet's not (a) overuse the bot, (b) make cryptic references to the bot to newbies that only confuse them, which seems to defeat the point11:20
wfxhmmm ok11:20
stvn_sounds sensible11:20
calcheh11:20
wfxand it also not one of the faq :-)11:21
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Adrenalwhats the address i add to synaptic to get mplayer and access to mp3s and such11:21
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mos__heh11:22
mos__http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats11:22
wfxbonobo, mp311:22
bonobofor mp3 music read -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats11:22
Adrenali mean to add them to xmms11:22
Adrenalah got it11:23
Adrenalcheerio11:23
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mos__gotta say this is one of the most noob friendly linux chans ive ever been in11:24
Hikaru79=)11:25
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wfxWhat you are think should i shutdown the bot or think you it is a good thing?11:28
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CaesarHi, are there any known issues with the Warty Live CD and orinoco based wireless PCMCIA cards?11:32
TreenaksCaesar: what kind of problem are you having, exactly?11:32
CaesarIt won't associate.11:33
Treenaksthat's weird11:33
Treenakshaven't heard that problem11:33
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CaesarRather. I'm using it on a laptop that's just had a disk fail. Previously it was running sarge with a 2.6.8 kernel and it worked fine.11:33
seb128bonobo, java11:34
bonoboread the very good java wiki -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java11:34
wfxi folow it and have it running :)11:35
seb128he he11:35
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Elwoodin order to post doc on the wiki it's better to translate in xml?11:36
amuCaesar: the card isnt detected at all ? what happen if you run iwconfig ?11:36
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KamionElwood: some of the wiki guys seem to like ReStructuredText, but you can pick whatever supported format you like11:38
Elwoodok11:38
Elwoodthanks kalle_11:38
Elwoodthanks Kamion11:38
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izmaelishello, everyone!11:42
izmaelisis there anybody from SanFransisco, CA?11:42
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wfxmust go to work, cu11:49
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mjr*3*1111:51
Treenaksmjr: uh.. this is not your phone ;)11:52
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mjractually, this is my phone :)11:58
Treenaksmjr: wrong window then ;)11:59
mjrNah, just a braino11:59
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mjr* is the cmdchar12:00
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Adrenalhow do i get mplayer?12:02
Treenaksbonobo: dvd12:02
bonoboto view dvd's read this -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats12:02
Treenaksbonobo: mplayer12:02
bonoboTreenaks: Error: 'mplayer' is not a valid command.12:02
TreenaksAdrenal: it's on the same page as the DVD stuff12:02
Adrenalah, stackenblocken12:03
Adrenaleverybody have a good one12:03
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nionhi12:20
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Quazionhow do i edit the menu ?12:21
TreenaksQuazion: right-click in it12:21
Quazionhmm and then read help ? ;-)12:22
Treenakshm maybe :)12:22
seb128nautilus -> applications:///12:22
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Treenaksseb128: ah!12:22
Quazionoke thanks12:22
Quazionthats it12:22
Quazionoke that doesnt work as a user ;-)12:24
Quazioni try to add something, but it doesnt give an error12:24
Quazionand doesnt show anyhting12:24
seb128not even in nautilus ?12:25
seb128perhaps you need to restart the panel (killall gnome-panel)12:26
Quazionthat worked12:26
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im_kahi12:38
im_kais any1 using webmin-shorewall?12:38
im_kahow do acces shorewall through webmin?12:38
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im_kais any1 using webmin-shorewall?12:45
im_kahow do i acces shorewall through webmin?12:45
b_e_n_zim_ka, i use vi with shorewall12:46
Falstiusanyway to remove channel messages in IRC on gAim?  Stuff like "blah blah has entered the room"12:46
cardadorfor those who may be interested, counter strike source runs quite well in Ubuntu.12:47
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im_kab_e_n_z i wanna share my ubuntu box's internet connection with my laptop. what's the simplest way to do it? never used shorewall, i thought webmin would be a good start12:47
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b_e_n_zim_ka, go to /etc/shorewall... you only need to edit a few files12:48
b_e_n_zim_ka, http://www.shorewall.net for good docs12:49
Falstiusim_ka, firestarter makes it easy to do12:51
FalstiusI don't know if it is in the ubuntu universe though.12:52
im_kaFalstius i have firestarter but i didn't know i can use it for sharing internet connection12:52
Falstiusif check the NAT howto from the linux documentation project.  Thats how I do it.12:52
Falstiusim_ka, you need to enable NAT12:52
Falstiusedit -> preferences -> connection sharing.12:53
fissycardador, how?12:54
im_kaFalstius you're my helper :)12:54
cardadorfissy: if you have cs source and cedega, its very easy.12:55
fissyi got a black screen when i tried and could only kill X to get out of it12:55
fissyis there a guide somewhere?12:56
cardadorfissy: i made a post in a forum, ill put here the url12:56
im_kai'm still in need of some help though... my internet connection is coming to my ubuntu box on "eth0" the laptop is plugged into "eth1"... so i should set nat to eth1?12:56
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Falstiusyou set "set my internal device"?  That should be eth112:57
cardadorfissy: read the last post http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1077&forum=1312:57
fissycool, many thanks12:59
cardadorfissy: make me know if it works for you ;)12:59
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fissy:)12:59
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im_kaFalstius yea thanks. plus i need to add the laptop's ip to the trusted ones, right?12:59
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FalstiusI don't know.  I don't think so.  You should be able to run your laptop as dhcp01:01
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Falstiushmm, maybe not.  Well either way, give it a try and then you'll know :)01:01
aaroncukhi guys01:01
im_kai must confess i don't yet have the laptop, i'm just gathering info01:01
aaroncukcan someone explain how to install mpd as a service on ubuntu01:01
im_kathanks a lot Falstius that was great help. don't really feel like manually setting shorewall01:02
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wfxFalstius, you are here?01:14
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wfxhmmm no answer?01:17
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wfxtime to go, have alot of fun01:22
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the_onehi01:54
the_onewhat am I doing wrong in my fstab, i can't mount my ntfs partitions, here's the line: /dev/hda5       /mnt/STORAGE    ntfs    ro,user,auto    0       001:55
the_oneanybody?01:56
Treenaksthe_one: what's the error message01:56
opithe_one: maybe something is using it atm?01:56
the_onemount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda,01:56
the_one       or too many mounted file systems01:56
Treenaks/dev/sda? is there another entry for /mnt/STORAGE in fstab?01:57
opithere is no partition there, or FS is bad01:57
the_oneoh, sorry...I meant..01:57
the_one/dev/sda        /media/CASIO    ntfs    ro,user,auto    0       001:57
opino partition?01:57
opicfdisk /dev/sda01:57
Treenaksthe_one: you probably need /dev/sda1 (or sda2, or sda3, etc.)01:57
the_oneit's a digital camera acting as storage01:58
Treenaksthe_one: sure that it isn't FAT? most cams have FAT01:58
the_onewait...the digital cameras are formated in fat?01:58
opistill, you need number after device01:58
opithey are01:58
the_oneok, my mistake01:58
opitry vfat and sda1 or something01:58
Treenaksthe_one: is it hot-pluggable?01:58
Treenaksthe_one: (usb / firewire) ?01:58
the_oneusb01:59
Treenaksthen it should mount automatically when you plug it in01:59
Treenaksand appear on the desktop01:59
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the_onebut it's always plugged01:59
opitype df -h01:59
Treenaksthe_one: then it should always appear01:59
opiand look for it01:59
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the_oneI remember there was a umask=something setting in my previous ubuntu installation for ntfs partitions, do I need it or is it ok as I wrote it?02:00
opiyou can use umask=00002:00
opieverything for everyone ;)02:01
dreamcatcherwhat's the deal with x.org? does it have anything cool and fancy other than the composite extension?02:01
mjrwell, newer drivers that don't flicker on my hardware when playing nwn ;)02:01
opidreamcatcher: XF was to conservative more few people02:01
opidreamcatcher: as patches was not accpeted02:02
opidreamcatcher: so most new stuff is in xorg02:02
the_onewhat does umask=000 stand for? I looked for an explanation of fstab on google, but there was nothing on it02:02
dreamcatcherno big news for older hardware then?02:02
Treenaksopi: NEVER do that.. always use 022 or something02:02
Treenaksthe_one: use man fstab it explains it02:02
opiTreenaks: oh, why? I use it for my ,,protable'' disk02:03
opiTreenaks: you afraid of +x?02:03
the_onetreenaks:thanks02:03
Treenaksopi: not afraid of +x, but afraid of multi-user systems.. never let other people write to your files02:05
opiTreenaks: it's my own box02:05
opiTreenaks: I wouldn't do it, if I was to share it, trust me :)02:05
Treenaksopi: other people might not know :)02:06
opiwell, ok02:06
opisorry for confusing people then02:07
opiuse 022 :)02:07
the_onewhat is the correct setting for the fat filesystem, vfat or msdos?02:07
opior, -o uid=1000,gid=100002:07
opithe_one: vfat02:07
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the_onewhen mounting /dev/sda        /media/CASIO    vfat    rw,user,auto    0       0 with sudo mount /media/CASIO it gives me mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda,02:08
the_one       or too many mounted file systems02:08
Treenaksthe_one: you shouldn't mount /dev/sda but a partition02:09
Treenaksthe_one: /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda2 or something02:09
the_onetreenaks: what is the use of umask=022? isn't ntfs    ro,user,auto enough for properly mounting of ntfs?02:10
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Treenaksthe_one: yes it is enough02:16
Treenaksthe_one: umask is not necessary02:16
the_onetreenaks: I couldn't find an explanation of what it stands for, just want to learn a little.02:16
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Treenaksthe_one: a good explanation of umask is in the bash manual I think02:17
Treenaksor the builtins one02:17
Falstiusfor a portable camera, using LABEL=CAMERA works better that /dev/sda?02:17
TreenaksFalstius: use /dev/camera and udev rules02:17
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the_onewhen I unplugged the camera and plugged it again it automatically mounted but with a different path, not the one im my fstab, should I remove it's entry completelly from fstab and let it automount each time with the path it wants?02:18
FalstiusTreenaks, good point.  I should learn how to do that.02:19
Treenaksthe_one: just let it automount02:19
TreenaksFalstius: first hit on google when searching for 'udev rules' :)02:19
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eruditushi - I downloaded a .deb package, and I don't know how to install it... It contains my printer drivers, which are not available from the servers...02:20
the_oneI have an external usb 2,5 drive formatted in ntfs, will it automount with the proper settings when I connect it or do I have to set it in fstab?02:21
the_onesince it's not fat, I'm wondering...02:21
eruditushello?02:22
opieruditus: dpkg -i package.deb02:22
eruditusopi, thank you very much :)02:22
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FalstiusI'm not in ubuntu at the moment to try this, but if I were to write a rule to have my camera always set to /dev/camera would the ubuntu automount still work?  It would mount it as I specify in fstab?02:26
eruditusopi, thank you very much. I've been fighting with that package for a week now :)...02:27
BenZ|iBookhow do you check if DMA is enabled on a disk?02:27
opieruditus: you're welcome02:28
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oferwlulu: hi02:30
the_onetreenaks: thanks for the help, it didn't allow me to access my partitions with my settings, it said I don't have apropriate permissions, but it works with umask=02202:32
the_oneI set it up with umask=022,ro,auto02:33
the_onebye02:34
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berantlAnyone out there using a bluetooth keyboard?02:54
ondrejI upgraded to hoary and then downgraded to warty and all programs using FAM have problem, they write: failed to find gam_server02:55
ondrejfailed to exec (null)02:55
ondrejFailed to connect to socket /tmp/fam-ondrej-02:55
ondrejfailed to find gam_server02:55
ondrejfailed to exec (null)02:55
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krism*sigh* every time i install bitchx, i forget to turn the auto away crap off02:58
berantlI've been unable to get mine to work under ubuntu, while it worked fine with debian unstable02:58
iainmondrej, is the ubuntu-desktop package installed?02:59
krismhas anybody been able to get pine to compile on ubuntu?02:59
ondrejiainm: no, but I miss only totem-gstream and xfree86-driver-synaptics from dependencies02:59
Majestic|Linuxanyone here using another windows manager other than gnome?02:59
alakdananybody got some links on where I could download the 2.6.9 kernel package for ubuntu?02:59
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pdamochello03:01
iainmondrej, I believe ubuntu-desktop should always be installed03:01
pdamocI need some help setting the locale in Hoary03:01
pdamocI tried "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and it says that the locale is brocken03:02
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ondrejiainm: ubuntu-desktop is only meta package (you can check it by dpkg -L ubuntu-desktop), so there is no problem running ubuntu without it03:04
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seb128$ apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop03:04
seb128...03:04
foxfuzhi03:05
seb128It is safe to remove this package if some of the desktop system packages are03:05
seb128 not desired.03:05
ondrejit seems that program tries connect to "/tmp/fam-ondrej-" (ECONNREFUSED) then tries to open /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server (ENOENT)03:07
seb128apt-get install gamin03:08
ondrejseb128: E: Package gamin has no installation candidate03:08
seb128which distribution are you using ?03:08
ondrejwarty03:09
Kamionsounds like you must have pieces from hoary03:09
ondrej(but I upgraded to hoary and then downgraded to warty again)03:09
ondrejusing apt/preferences03:09
seb128ok, so you upgraded gnome-vfs/nautilus to a new version that's built with libgamin0 apparently03:09
Kamionsounds like an incomplete downgrade then :-)03:09
zenwhenhey Kamion03:10
Kamionzenwhen: hi, I looked for you when I appeared this morning but you weren't around03:10
Kamionwhat did you need?03:10
ondrejKamion: 'Package: * Pin: release a=warty Pin-Priority: 1001' should do it's job...  I think03:11
Kamionondrej: I've never trusted /etc/apt/preferences particularly, since I don't understand it03:11
pdamocI've upgraded my Warty to Hoary and I keep  getting locales errors... how do I fix that?03:11
Kamionondrej: it sounds like it manifestly didn't do what you expected in your case03:11
zenwhenIs there a chance you cool guys might add gnome-ppp to the default Ubuntu install?03:11
alakdananybody got some links on where I could download the 2.6.9 kernel package for ubuntu?03:12
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Kamionzenwhen: that's not my bailiwick particularly; suggest it on ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com03:12
zenwhenOh03:12
zenwhencool03:12
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ondrejKamion: I think it did, because I have correct versions of everything.03:12
the_onehi again03:12
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ondrejbut there maybe some forgotten gnome-vfs plugin?03:13
Kamionondrej: maybe something left in ~/.gnome* then?03:13
seb128ondrej: which version of libgnomevfs2-0 and nautilus ?03:13
Kamionplus your downgrade tactic won't remove "obsolete" (a.k.a. new in hoary) packages03:13
Kamionyou'd need to run aptitude or dselect and remove obsolete/local packages for that03:13
seb128yeah, libgamin0 has probably not been removed03:13
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Kamionand libfam0c102 not put back03:14
ondrejgnome-vfs2: 2.8.2-0ubuntu1, nautilus: 2.8.1-0ubuntu103:14
Kamioninstalling ubuntu-desktop from hoary should clear most of it up, I'd expect03:14
Kamioner, "ubuntu-desktop from warty" that is03:14
the_oneI cannot mount my external dvd-writer, I have its entry in fstab as dev/scd0 but when I mount it it does nothing. How can I fin what is it's path? what should be the command to list all devices attached?03:14
ondrejseb128: you hit the nail on the head :-)03:14
seb128:)03:14
ondrejapt-get --purge install libfam0c102 seems to be what I needed03:15
seb128yeah03:15
seb128BTW why downgrading ?03:15
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ondrejseb128: evo 2.1 had problem with remembering some configuration options (like Use authentication for SMTP)03:16
the_oneanyone?03:16
ondrejlibgamin0 Provides: libfam0c102, so it didn't get downgraded03:16
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Falstiusthe_one: cat /proc/scsi/scsi will tell you all your scsi devices (/sdx)03:19
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lemsx1ondrej, where can i read more about gamin? i know some people are having problems with that but if it's better than fam i'd like to at least give it a try03:22
seb128http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin/03:23
lemsx1seb128, thanks03:23
seb128np03:23
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zenwhenKamion, I submitted my idea to the list.03:28
zenwhen:)03:28
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BeanDipthe_one "tail -f /var/log/messages" then you plug it in to the computer03:30
neillHas anyone had issues with serial ata on nvidia nforce 250gb boards?03:32
neillI get lots of spurious connected/disconnected events03:32
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WWIs there an explanation somewhere of the "warty-updates" repository?  I don't have that in my sources.list.  It seemed to have appeared in discussions in the last month or so.03:35
lhb_has anyone gotten multisync and evolution plugin to work on ubuntu?03:36
lhb_warty or hoary?03:37
lemsx1lhb_, evo 1.x?03:37
lhb_lemsx1: 203:37
lemsx1lhb_, multisync dislikes using more than 2 sync sources03:37
lemsx1lhb_, multisync doesn't work with evo2 yet... i'm waiting for the same thing03:37
lhb_lemsx1: the cvs version does but i cant get it to compile03:38
lemsx1lhb_, i mean, unless you know something i don't... i'm about to write a Perl script to do this for me :-D03:38
lemsx1lhb_, getting something to compile is easy... cvs works you say? i'll give it a try later then03:38
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angiehi there03:39
lhb_lemsx1: cool, i think i have installed the required libs but still get errors03:39
angieany help for setting NAT (sharing dsl connection) in Ubuntu? i have multiple NICs03:40
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WWAnybody?  Why "warty-updates"?  Why not just update the packages in main, restricted, and universe directly?03:40
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Kamionwe don't want to change distributions after we release them; the updates are optional03:42
Kamionif we changed warty directly we'd have to release new CD images, etc. => hassle03:42
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angieso no advices for NAT in ubuntu?03:43
WWKamion: So non-security related bug fixes (if there are any) would go in warty-updates?03:44
Kamionright03:45
KamionI think :-)03:45
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spiritzany ibm T42 user around?03:46
WWKamion: I installed Ubuntu pre-release.  I stumbled across "warty-updates" in the forums.  Is there an official announcement or description of it on the web page somewhere?03:46
WWKamion: (I tried searching the web page, but nothing showed up.)03:46
Kamionnot sure, I'm afraid03:46
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WWKamion: Do you know if the sources.list in the final release includes warty-updates (probably commented out if it does)?03:48
the_oneI have no sound while playing dvd's in ubuntu, with either xine or mplayer, oss or alsa, can't get it to work. Anybody else got the same problem? Any workarounds?03:48
agenteoI've installed the mozilla suite, now the default browser is mozilla instead of firefox! Why? It didn't ask to me. And if I go in Computer -> Desktop preferences -> Applications the default browser is still mozilla firefox!!03:48
agenteo:-\ someone can help me?03:49
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KamionWW: no, there's a bug about that03:50
the_onewhen trying to play dvd's with mplayer, I get many windows popping up rapidly saying alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: no such file or directory03:50
angiethe_one: try with sudo alsa-config03:50
angiemmhh sorry sudo alsaconf03:51
the_oneok, will try03:51
the_onecommand not found03:51
angieand check the volumes with alsamixer03:52
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the_oneangie: sudo alsaconf or alsa-config are not working03:52
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[Bas] the_one, do you have sound at all? or just not in xine and mplayer?03:54
the_oneI have sound with mp3 and video files03:54
the_onejust not with dvds03:54
[Bas] the_one, you can try running mplayer with esd:  mplayer -oa esd dvd://03:55
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[Bas] eum -ao that is03:55
the_onebas: i I tried with oss and esd also, no success03:56
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agenteosolved I've had changed with update-alternatives, someone has experienced this problem?04:00
Buzzzis mono in hoary?04:00
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Buzzzor do I have get it from universe?04:01
Rob|Linuxjust installed ubuntu04:01
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Gwildor_what is the url for the ubuntu forums?, its not on the ubuntu homepage ne more04:03
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Rob|Linuxwww.ubuntu.com can help04:04
[Bas] Gwildor_, http://ubuntuforums.org/04:04
spiritzhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/forums04:04
kenthttp://ubuntuforums.org/04:04
Gwildor_thnx guys04:04
charlesbcI want to install a package, but apt-get tells me it is obsolete. Though there's no other package currently available to replace it. Is there a way I could still install it?04:05
spiritzdownload it04:05
spiritzor get it from /var/cache......04:05
spiritzand type dpkg -i packagename.deb04:05
Treenakscharlesbc: which package?04:06
charlesbcnoteedit04:07
Treenakswhat does it do?04:07
charlesbcthough if the package is too outdated, I'll compile it myself.04:07
Treenakscharlesbc: do you have universe/multiverse in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?04:07
charlesbcIt's a music notation editor, midi editing in the classical music notation style.04:07
charlesbcyes04:08
Treenakscharlesbc: hmmm04:08
Treenakscharlesbc: did you run apt-get update?04:08
charlesbcyup04:08
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charlesbcTreenaks: why, were you able to install it?04:09
Treenakscan't try now.. not at home04:09
charlesbcah ok :)04:09
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Treenakscharlesbc: but noteedit is in the ubuntu archive04:09
Treenakscharlesbc: so it should be apt-get installable04:10
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tuxw00t cd's are shipped04:11
tuxgood news, :))04:11
Rob|LinuxMy first run on Ubuntu just finish installation what should I do?04:11
Rob|Linuxapt-get update? and then apt-get upgrade?04:11
TreenaksRob|Linux: or use synaptic (the package manager) from the Computer menu04:12
charlesbcis the ubuntu archive online? (I'd like to take a look there as well)04:12
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the_onerob:linux: apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade in order04:12
maliksHI! just a small query! I still havent got my freeCD! When can I expect it! thanks!04:13
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Rob|Linuxthanks the one04:13
Rob|Linuxhow often do I have to do that04:13
the_onerob-linux: np04:13
Kamioncharlesbc: archive.ubuntu.com04:13
charlesbcah, I found it already :)04:14
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the_oneRob|Linux: every 2 weeks? 1 month? I don't know but it seems Ubuntu is updating frequently04:14
Rob|Linuxso I do apt-get update, upgrade, dist-upgrade every 2 weeks for ex.04:15
TycheHello everyone04:15
TreenaksRob|Linux: subscribe to the ubuntu-security-announce mailing list, and update when there's announcement..04:15
charlesbcbut I wonder, when does a package become obsolete?04:15
TycheIs there someone that can answer some apache/php questions?04:15
TycheTreenaks: How do I subscribe to various Ubuntu mailing lists...I would be interested.04:16
Kamioncharlesbc: apt views a package as obsolete when it's not provided by anything in /etc/apt/sources.list04:16
Rob|Linuxthanks04:16
Kamionand when it's also installed04:16
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TreenaksTyche: look on the website, it has links04:16
TycheTreenaks: Thanks, Sorry, still new to this.04:16
TreenaksTyche: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/lists04:16
Rob|LinuxTreenaks: thanks , I'm running synaptic now lets see what i'll do04:16
TycheI installed apache/php/mysql last night. Everything is running fine. Except, it is a little weird. When I goto localhost it brings up the index and if no index the file listing.04:17
charlesbcKamion: so if I were to provide a source which does contain that package, it will fetch it?04:17
Kamionyeah04:18
TycheBut, when I hit the IP address from another computer on the network. I do not get the file listing, I have to type in the IP/index.php in order for it to come up...04:18
charlesbcI found the package here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/n/noteedit/04:19
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GFXstyLERhi04:27
GFXstyLERi have a problem with anjuta in ubuntu04:28
GFXstyLERcan someone help me ?04:28
azeemstate your problem, otherwise nobody can tell04:28
azeem...whether they could help you04:28
GFXstyLERthe projects wont generate04:29
GFXstyLERit always says something with make04:30
GFXstyLERoh wait maybe i solved the problem :D04:31
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lemsx1lhb, what errors do you get?04:32
kentis there any way to reconfigure /etc/network/interfaces to the way it was after installation? I kind of edited it useless :( Now i always get a failure when running /etc/init.d/network  :(04:32
lemsx1seb128, gamin works like a charm. installed/purged old fam/ and pkill nautilus... it takes 2mb of ram, but i can live with that :-D04:32
the_onehas anybody tried novell linux desktop?04:33
GFXstyLERit says no make - no targets set or something like that04:33
lemsx1the_one, SuSe desktop04:33
lemsx1the_one, same thing04:33
seb128lemsx1: nice :)04:33
the_onelemsx1: well..rebranding04:33
lemsx1seb128, at least i didn't have to logout and login :-)04:33
the_onestill, just curious how it looks and works04:34
lemsx1the_one, i haven't tried myself, but i guess you can find many reviews online for it04:34
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lemsx1the_one, and that would be part of #ubuntu-offtopic :-)04:34
lemsx1the_one, no ofense to you of course... it's to avoid the noise here04:34
the_onelemsx1: np04:34
scoonso is anyone here using multimedia keys w/ gnome and if you are: Any problems ?04:34
scoonI have had one f'ing bit of a time getting the keys to work correctly.04:35
scoonbut i think i have it down now04:35
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Gwildor_#ubuntu-offtopic04:37
WWscoon: I used Computer->Desktop Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts, and was able to get a few of the extra button to do what they are labeled to do.04:38
scoonso do I, but I have bluetooth kbs and they don't match anything in xfree04:39
scoonor xorg for that matter.04:39
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kentsurely there must be a way to bring up the dialogs to edit the network that i got when installing ubuntu?  dpkg-reconfigure netbase does not :(04:41
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charlesbcis there a way to contribute a newer version of a package?04:41
xinelanybody else here having java issues?04:41
xineland by issues i mean pc freeze04:41
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{Fah-Q}b04:41
{Fah-Q}er, hi :)04:42
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Gwildor_hi04:43
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Tomcat_Can I install Ubuntu on the same disk as WinXP Home?04:47
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mjryes, but on a separate disk partition04:47
Tomcat_Yeah, that's alright.04:47
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Tomcat_I just read that WinXP home doesn't have Dynamic Disk Support...04:48
Tomcat_And the article writer concluded that without this, the disk was only usable in Win2k and XP.04:48
Tomcat_(I guess he never heard of Linux)04:49
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eclipsefgfg04:53
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RageMaxis nautilus crashing constantly for anyone else using hoary?04:54
mjrtomcat, the writer is clueless04:54
mjrDynamic Disk support is more likely to screw other operating systems over ;)04:54
Tomcat_When a site is called "winsupersite.com", you can guess that. :D04:54
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Tomcat_I guess that means my new laptop could also have WinXP Home. :>04:56
TycheBah, XP!04:57
Tyche=)04:57
Tomcat_Unfortunately I need some kind of Windows, and Win2k seems a bit old now. :o04:57
Tomcat_But I'll probably stay on Ubuntu much more. :>04:57
TycheI know, I still require windows....although I hate it more and more each day.04:57
TycheGuess, I need to quit playing my games...and then I could be 100% linux at home. =)04:58
Tomcat_I tried to switch a few months ago... then Ubuntu trashed my partition table, so I stopped. :o04:58
Tomcat_Yeah. :>04:58
TycheI'm looking for an apache irc channel.04:59
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GFXstyLERhi04:59
poin__they guys04:59
TycheI tried one called #directory that I googled and it is empty...doesn't seem right.04:59
Tychepoint__t Hey there04:59
GFXstyLERhow can i make ubuntu play video files correctly?04:59
poin__tanyone use lvm\2 with online resize and\or snapshots?04:59
TycheWhat type?04:59
GFXstyLERthey are always played very slow or very fast, but not normal05:00
GFXstyLERevery type :D05:00
TycheGFXstyLER: Oh, not sure, what app?05:00
mjrGFXstyLER, funny; but try installing totem-xine instead the gstreamer variety05:00
GFXstyLERtotem and xmms05:00
GFXstyLERok05:00
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mjrinstead of05:00
GFXstyLERbut i have to remove "ubuntu-desktop" for it, sure this isnt bad?05:01
azeemdepends05:01
mjrit isn't05:01
GFXstyLERok .. too late :D05:02
poin__tGFXstyLER: what kind of machine are you using? processor, etc05:02
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aaroncukhi guys05:02
mjrwell, make a note that you might want to reinstall ubuntu-desktop when upgrading to hoary, so that if something is added to ubuntu-desktop, you'll get it ;)05:02
GFXstyLERamd athlon xp 3200+ , 512 mb ddr ram, geforce fx 5700 ultra05:02
aaroncukcan someone spare a minute for a newbie lol05:02
ironwolfaaroncuk: Whatcha need?05:03
aaroncukneed to know how to set mpd as a system service so it autoruns on boot05:03
kentMy brother gets a failure when running /etc/init.d/network. Ok, so no one know how to reconfigure ut (not by using gnome, since that wont help). is there any way to find out exactly whats going wrong? dhcp logs etc??05:04
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GFXstyLERhmm... ok very bad synaptic does not find the lists anymore05:04
GFXstyLERoh ok, i had it run 2 times :D sorry05:04
ironwolfaaroncuk: I'd setup /etc/init.d/mpd and link it to /etc/rc2.d/S99mpd05:05
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GFXstyLERok, now video files are only blue05:05
GFXstyLERno screen anymore :D05:05
aaroncukhow do i do that lol, i used ubuntu for the first time yesterday lol05:05
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scoonxinel: no, and i use tiger05:06
ironwolfaaroncuk: *let me re-check mpd* one minute05:06
aaroncukthe guys over at #mpd have helped loads but im still crap lol05:06
mjrGFXstyLER, hmh, that's actually a known bug in XFree, try to quit totem and restart it05:06
mjrshould work on the second try ;)05:06
ironwolfaaroncuk: what's mpd do?05:07
aaroncukits remotely controlled mp3 daemon05:07
aaroncukhttp://www.musicpd.org05:07
GFXstyLERok it works now05:08
GFXstyLERthanks guys :D05:08
ironwolfaaroncuk: Do you have a /etc/init.d/mpd  file?05:08
aaroncukhmm lemme see05:08
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GFXstyLERBUT, because gstreamer isnt installed anymore, do i get any problems now?05:08
mjrGFXstyLER, gstreamer is still installed, it's just that totem doesn't use it anymore05:09
mjr(so no ;)05:09
aaroncukive done an ls command and there is no mpd in innit.d05:09
GFXstyLERoh, sorry05:09
ironwolfaaroncuk: did you apt-get install mpd ?05:09
aaroncukno.. had to build and install it manually05:09
ironwolfaaroncuk: any reason apt-get didn't work for ya? *curiosity*05:10
aaroncuknever tried it, the guys at mpd talked me through doing it manually05:10
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boldiihi05:10
ironwolftry apt-get install mpd05:10
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ironwolfor sudo -s apt-get install mpd05:11
boldiijust installed ubuntu, I have to say: nice work.05:11
aaroncuki dont want to overwrite my current install , just got it working lol05:11
Tycheboldii: Oh yea!05:11
GFXstyLERonly a question: does it slow down the system in general if the ati drivers arent installed? because the 3d acceleration isnt working05:11
ironwolfaaroncuk: try saving your config files.  If you overwrite them in the apt-get install, then restore them.05:12
boldiiI even like gnome even though I never thought I would as a 4 year kde user ;)05:12
boldiia bit different but nice ...05:12
aaroncukok ironwolf.. will do that now05:12
ironwolfaaroncuk: think of it this way, if apt-get blows up, you already know how to fix it, but if apt-get works, you have a much easier time next time.05:13
aaroncukyeah05:13
aaroncukit cant find anything under mpd justs brings snmpd.05:13
boldiiwhat are recommend sources for my sources.list ?05:13
ironwolfboldi: I recommend universe. :)05:14
ironwolfaaroncuk: do you have universe in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?05:14
boldiiyor mean the ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED?05:15
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ironwolfboldi: yeah, but I live dangerously.  I'm running hoary, with universe and multi-verse and I'm not seeing any problems at all.05:16
boldiibtw. wasn t the 2.6.8.1 kernel the kernel that had problems with cd burners?05:16
scoonboldii: yes05:16
aaroncukthey were commented they arent now lol05:16
boldiiironwolf, well, I ran gentoo ~x86 for 2 years ;)05:16
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scoonboldii: not a problem with cdburners but a tightening of device perms05:17
boldiiso, what is the debian way for getting new kernel?05:17
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ironwolfboldi: not very familiar with gentoo.  With ubuntu, universe seems a safe bet.  Multiverse... is more fun, but less safe.05:17
ironwolfaaroncuk: apt-get update ; apt-get install mpd05:17
scoonboldii: well, i too switched from gentoo, and the way I do it is the same way i did it in gentoo.05:17
boldiiironwolf, well, at the end gentoo broke my glibc, and thats why I am here ;)05:17
azeemwhat's the difference in multiverse vs. universe WRT stability?05:18
boldiiscoon, get them from kernel.org ?05:18
scoonboldii: go to kernel.org and get a vanilla one, and then if you want to beat the new cd perms, get a patchset (i use -ck)05:18
azeemI thought the difference is just about freeness?05:18
ironwolfazeem: ANYTHING GOES in multiverse.05:18
azeemironwolf: eh?05:18
scoonboldii: http://www.kernel.org05:18
azeemonly non-free stuff I thought05:18
rashercan anyone help me configure a linux-wlan-ng device? I have the exact same problem as http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-November/009813.html05:18
azeemwhile anything from Debian main goes into universe05:18
azeem(which builds)05:18
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ironwolfazeem: the way it was described to me, multiverse has things like mplayer, etc.  things that don't get into universe.  I guess I'm unsure what the stability difference is.05:19
GFXstyLERi have wlan problems too (i cant find a driver for bcm4301 , seems it does not exist)05:19
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boldiiscoon, ok, but isn t there a way to get it via apt-get? btw where is the grub.conf file?05:19
ironwolfazeem:  I know that warty is considered stable and hoary is considered in development.05:20
scoonboldii: yes, i guess so, but i like using the -ck patches and I already had a .config for my kernel.05:20
scoonboldii: /boot/grub/menu.lst05:20
GFXstyLERhow can i activate sharing of files in a network in ubuntu? i have to transfer data from my pc -> notebook but i dont know how05:20
Kamionironwolf: universe and multiverse carry about the same stability guarantees (i.e. none)05:20
rasherGFXstyLER: maybe ndiswrapper could work?05:21
ironwolfKamion: good to know.05:21
scoonboldii: gentoo always wanted a symlink for that when installed.05:21
Kamionironwolf: the difference between the two is entirely freeness05:21
scoonboldii: may I ask why you switched ?05:21
GFXstyLERyes i read that it works with that but you have to compile and such and im new to linux so i dont know how do to :D05:21
azeemKamion: is multiverse aimed at potentially including all of Debian's non-free, or just specific packages?05:21
azeem(modulo usual universe rules)05:21
boldiiscoon, because gentoo break my glibc after two years of gentoo, so I thought: time for something new, and now I am here after two years gentoo and four years kde ;)05:22
rasherGFXstyLER: I think the required bits are in ubuntu, just install ndiswrapper-utils and do ndiswrapper -i DRIVER.inf05:22
Kamionazeem: I *think* anything we can distribute, but I haven't paid a great deal of attention to it05:22
scoonboldii: interesting, me as well.  i ran redhat since 1996 and then gentoo ~x86 for about 18 months.05:23
GFXstyLERok thx rasher05:23
Kamionazeem: might well be just on-demand05:23
scoonboldii: so far i really like it.05:23
scoonboldii: of course i haven't even run this for a week.  but it has been a very good few days.05:23
boldiiscoon, and I have to say I like apt-get really a lot, especially that I musn t wait so long for updates (I used debian before gentoo for a year, but it was a quite hairy knoppix hd install)05:24
boldiiscoon, I have it for a few hours now.05:24
boldiiscoon, you run gnome?05:24
scoonboldii: yes.05:24
scoonboldii: so far it has been pretty good.  have only had a couple of issues so far.  but nothing major.05:24
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boldiiscoon, well, I am used to kde. I just installed k3b and kdevelop, but I will use gnome I guess ...05:25
scoonboldii: you can get kde, it is in ubuntu,05:25
GFXstyLERbrb05:25
scoonboldii: they also have openbox and xfrce05:26
boldiiscoon, I know, but I somehow like gnome.05:26
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scoonboldii: ah yes.  everyone usually does.05:26
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scoonboldii: and the ubuntu tweaks make it look really good.  and work well05:26
krischanhello everyone.05:27
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krischanI'd like to ask about Quake, if it's appropriate. I'd like resume gaming, but I'm totally unexperienced doing it on Linux. I've installed packages 'quake2' and 'quake2-data', but that doesn't seem to be enough to get the game running.05:29
boldiiscoon, yeah, I just have to get my XF86Config-4 to run with 1280x1024 and then everything is ok. 1024x768 sucks ...05:29
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boldiibtw. how about the new firefox, when will it be in ubuntu, is there anything known?05:31
azeemKamion: hmm, ok05:31
QtonI just installed Ubuntu with Finnish language and its a mix of English, Finnish and Swedish :D Could someone please tell me how to change the language? I prefer English anyway..05:31
rasherboldii: it is in hoary now, not sure if packages propagate to warty after the release.. I don't think so05:31
lupus_http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/ I can see this page with firefox05:31
lupus_but wit apt-get Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Release  Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer)05:32
crispboldii:  just upgrade it yoursefl if you want it badly05:32
boldiiok, thanks. so what about those ubuntu releases, when I have one I can update to the next without having to reinstall, right?05:32
scoonboldii: polly not until hoary.  altho I did create a local repository05:33
scoonboldii: and was apble to apt-get it into my stable warty.05:33
ironwolfboldii: I updated to hoary without re-installing.05:33
boldiiI see I have to read the faq a bit to see what hoary and warty is ^^05:34
ironwolfboldi: warty is 4.10 it's currently released, hoary is 5.04 and it's currently under development *think unstable in debian*05:35
dataw0lfwow, that's a big vn jump.05:36
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boldiiok, so what I have is warty =)05:36
boldiidataw0lf, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/version-numbers05:36
dataw0lfah.05:37
dataw0lfinteresting.05:37
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GFXstyLERhi again05:40
GFXstyLERok i installed ndiswrapper-tools now and copied the wlan drivers05:40
GFXstyLERbut how do i use them now?05:41
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boldiihow can I reset the translation of ubuntu to the english one?05:42
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Keybukboldii: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales05:43
Keybuk(I think that's right :p)05:43
boldiiyeah, thanks.05:44
azeemand choose a different language at the login screen05:44
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azeemWow, Jim Gettys :)05:45
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GFXstyLERok i installed the bcmwl5.inf driver with ndiswrapper now, and how can i use it for the wlan card now? please this is urgent :D05:48
boldiican I get the nonfree nvidia drivers with ubuntu via apt-get?05:48
kentboldii, yes. Read the information on the homepage.05:48
cardadorkent: do you know when the new nvidia driver will be available?05:49
rasherGFXstyLER: it should magically show up in the network configuration thing when you try to add a new device.. I think05:49
GFXstyLERnope05:50
rasherhm05:50
rasherdunno, haven't actually used it myself05:50
GFXstyLERdo i have to reboot?05:50
kentcardador, when the next Ubuntu is released? They cant change packages in a stable release,  can they? well, bugfixes is one thing, but new versions is not possible, i think..05:50
boldiithanks kent.05:50
cardadorkent: i meant on hoary05:51
kentcardador, oh. I dont use Hoary, i use the stable Ubuntu. In hoary i have no clue,05:51
cardadorkent: ok thanks05:52
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boldiiI think I will install ubuntu on my laptop =)05:52
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GFXstyLERhmmm.... ill try to look up google, maybe there's some information about bcm430105:52
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boldiiis /usr/src/ the right place for putting the kernel sources? I mean becuase there are none?05:55
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scoonboldii: yea sure.05:56
scoonboldii: it doesn't really matter tho.  you just need to sudo make modules_install && sudo make install05:56
scoonboldii: if you use the nvidia drivers, the installer looks for the /usr/src/linux symlink, so I just keep my kernel in /usr/src05:57
ironwolfcardador: kent: I'm using hoary, it's pretty fluid.  new versions, etc.05:57
cardadorironwolf: im using it also.05:57
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FTTPhi!05:58
cardadorironwolf: just wanted to know when will the new nvidia driver be available. its already on debian unstable.05:58
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deFryskread this for nvida and other drivers: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto05:58
cardadorironwolf: i want to get more frames per second on counter strike source :)05:58
deFrysknvidia05:58
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FTTPbugzilla uses digital cert?05:59
FTTPthawte shows :)05:59
ironwolfcardador: good luck. :)05:59
cardadorironwolf: for what?05:59
FTTPits funny that bugzilla requires a digital cert, goes back to the founders roots :)05:59
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ironwolfcardador: for more frames/sec05:59
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cardadorironwolf: i read somewhere that it actually provides +10 fps06:00
kentironwolf, most people dont need a "pretty fluid" system. I want a desktop that works all the time, i want to be sure that no new package breaks my system tomorrow. When Hoary is due to be released, i *might* use it to test for bugs, but not as a desktop.06:00
FTTPok bugzilla is working06:00
FTTPthat was unusual :P06:00
FTTPare any of you ubuntu developers?06:01
FTTPi have a couple of questions/pointers06:01
cardadorkent: just curiosity, you didnt come from debian sid, did you? :)06:01
FTTPhi kent06:01
ironwolfkent: everybody's looking for different things.  I'm glad you're enjoying warty. :)06:02
FTTPironwolf:  it looks good :)06:02
FTTPironwolf:  Warty has no config options in graphical tho for equipment and hardware06:02
FTTPlike with stormix you had the storm administration system (which was also based on debian)06:03
FTTPi miss stormix, that had so much potential06:03
FTTPubuntu reminds me alot of stormix06:03
FTTPbut without the tools for hardware06:03
azeemhardware should just work[tm] 06:03
azeemno need for configuration :)06:03
FTTPazeem:  Yes it works fine...........06:04
FTTPazeem:  On the livecd06:04
FTTPazeem:  So in the old days of debian, it didnt autoconfig the hardware?06:04
FTTPazeem what happens if you get new hardware tho06:04
azeemback in '93?06:04
azeemno06:05
FTTPazeem during the days of stormix06:05
FTTPnot back in 9306:05
azeemno idea about stormix06:05
FTTPyou remmeber stormix?06:05
azeemeh, I know the name06:05
FTTPit was debian based06:05
FTTPazeem:  well even with fedora and suse for example06:05
azeemso06:05
azeemwhat's your problem specifically?06:06
FTTPazeem:   no problem just some pointers06:06
FTTPazeem are you a ubuntu developer?06:06
azeemno06:06
azeempointers to what?06:06
FTTPok06:06
boldii>> You must install ncurses-devel in order to use 'make menuconfig' . but there is no ncurses-devel and no ncurses?06:06
Kamionlibncurses5-dev06:06
azeemboldii: libncurses5-dev06:06
FTTPazeem:  Like there is no setting to change my monitor in ubuntu06:06
azeemdamn06:06
azeemFTTP: you can change the resolution via the GNOME preferences06:07
boldiithanks.06:07
FTTPazeem:  SUSE and Fedora have my monitor in a list06:07
azeemFTTP: why would you change your monitor to something else than it is?06:07
kentcardador, i Have used debian unstable before, and it works most of the time, but time to time it fucks up the system, and thats not fun. And its the same for every unstable system, be it fedora or ubuntu.  Some people might like it, but most people should not.06:07
FTTPazeem:  Right but......... what im saying is i should be able to choose monitor from a list ......... it doesnt configure my monitor right, since i can go to high refresh rates and different resolutions06:07
Kamionfor most hardware we'd prefer to use the hotplug subsystem, which is zero-configuration06:07
azeemFTTP: that's a bug then06:07
Kamion'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' to fiddle monitor settings06:07
FTTPkamion are you a developer?06:08
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danielsFTTP: the problem with monitor lists is that they tend to be woefully incomplete06:08
azeemFTTP: why do you need to talk to developers? The community should be able to help you06:08
danielsFTTP: especially as many people tend to take monitors and oem them, and strip them of all identifying information06:08
danielsFTTP: we weighed up both alternatives and going with autodetection has been the best so far06:08
FTTPazeem well i want people who are working on the os, i guess you all are community :)06:08
cardadorkent: i use ubuntu hoary at work, no problems until now :)06:09
FTTPdaniels yeah its very nice dont get me wrong06:09
FTTPdaniels  i like it ALOT06:09
KamionFTTP: as it happens yes, but as azeem says I'd hope that's irrelevant06:09
FTTPheh06:09
FTTPit kinda is i guess06:09
FTTPlol06:09
rashercuriosity is powerful06:09
FTTPkamion:  See i came from the distros which had the lists and its just what im used to06:10
KamionFTTP: note that developers often have very specialised areas of expertise, so unless you know what those are up-front it's often just as good to direct your question to the channel in general06:10
FTTPeven tho when u select the monitor, sometimes its wrong too06:10
azeemFTTP: well, change to the Ubuntu way!06:10
KamionFTTP: my expertise doesn't include anything to do with monitors :-)06:10
FTTPkamion gotcha06:10
azeemactually, coming from Windows, your perception might be even much more off06:10
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FTTPazeem no actually i used distros like slackware and old redhat versions and suse, etc...06:11
FTTPim not new to linux06:11
azeemyeah, I realized06:11
FTTPi remember my slackware 3.0 which i learned on06:11
FTTPthe days of walnut creek :P06:11
azeemI just say you should try Ubuntu without letting your perceptions of Linux distributions confuse you06:11
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FTTPi did and i like it, it configured all my hardware correctly except it didnt give access to the monitor resolutions and the like06:12
azeemFTTP: as I said, you can change that through the GNOME system properties06:12
FTTPazeem its not on the list06:12
azeemthat's a bug :)06:13
Ruffian|JANE|How do I dual boot XP and Ubuntu on 2 hard drives?06:13
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FTTPazeem:  I like the startup menus and such.........  it also doesnt go into the kernel right away listing all those text based stuff... just a few lines before the screen comes up06:14
GFXstyLER*muahahahahahhaa06:14
GFXstyLERwlan is working ;)06:14
GFXstyLERthx guys06:14
rasherGFXstyLER: now you help me!06:14
scoonanyone here gconftool-2 pros ?06:14
GFXstyLERok06:14
GFXstyLERwhats your problem :D ?06:14
FTTPazeem:  are these stock gnome 2.8 or was this custom for ubuntu?06:14
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FTTPazeem:  if u know :P06:15
azeemFTTP: what "those"?06:15
rasherGFXstyLER: wlan :) Well, nevermind, I think I'll just poke around on my own06:15
FTTPim just curious06:15
FTTPazeem:  The startup prompts for the livecd06:15
GFXstyLERmaybe i can help you :)06:15
FTTPazeem:  like when you boot into it06:15
azeemFTTP: what does booting have to do with GNOME?06:15
FTTPazeem i dunno06:15
FTTPazeem good point06:15
azeemthe GNOME boot splash is custom for Ubuntu, but that is quite obvious from the 'Ubuntu' that's on it :)06:16
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FTTPazeem:  With fedora and suse too many of the internals are showing06:17
FTTPerr fedora06:17
FTTPsuse i think hides it actually06:17
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FTTPazeem:  For desktop tho fedora is too wieldy06:17
FTTPand redhat is too commerical IMHO06:17
azeemI've never used either Fedora nor SuSE, so I cannot comment06:18
FTTPazeem:  See alot of distros have their own software outside of gnome......... ubuntu uses gnome for everything06:18
azeemthey use synaptic for package management, e.g.06:19
FTTPno i mean....... thats visable to the end user06:19
FTTPsee we just see everything in gnome and there isnt a seperate section of like yast2 or whatnot06:19
azeemsynaptic is for end users, really06:19
FTTPazeem is that in gnome?06:20
azeemsynaptic is gtk206:20
FTTPso it integrates with gnome?06:20
azeemsomewhat GNOME-integrating06:20
FTTPazeem is it on the menu tho?06:20
azeemFTTP: also, they use Firefox, which is totally non-GNOME :P06:20
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FTTPwhat does gnome come stock with?06:20
azeemFTTP: it's in the Computer->System configuration menu, AFAIK06:20
azeemepiphany06:20
icecrashsalve06:20
azeemfor web browsing06:20
rasherIt is not, however, a part of the gnome suite of software afaik06:20
FTTPoh ok06:20
azeemrasher: epiphany is06:21
FTTPfirebox is great tho06:21
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FTTPmuch better06:21
rasherazeem: I meant synaptic06:21
FTTPoh06:21
azeemrasher: sure, as I said, it's not even a GNOME application06:21
rasherI'm just a tad slow :|06:21
icecrashi have a little problems with the ubuntu nameresolving settings06:21
FTTPrasher have u used suse or fedora?06:21
rasherFTTP: Nope06:21
GFXstyLERi dont like firefox06:21
azeemplus, synaptic doesn't do packages management on e.g. Solaris or *BSD, so it cannot be a GNOME desktop app by definition I guess06:21
icecrashhave a desktop installation and apache2 running on it06:21
icecrashapache won't start up, because additional aliases on the localhost address cannot be resolved06:22
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FTTPrasher what did u use before ubuntu? debian?06:23
boldiiok, making kernel now =)06:23
FTTPubuntu is based off of debian so.......06:23
FTTP:P06:23
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xoxoxohello06:24
rasherFTTP: I still do. I just have Ubuntu on a laptop so far. Not sure if I'm going to switch more over.06:24
xoxoxoi first installed ubutu, but what is the default root password of ubuntu???06:24
GFXstyLERi used suse (2 days) then mandrake (3 days) then fedora core 2(1 day) and now ubuntu (4 days) and i think its the best of all06:24
azeemxoxoxo: there is none06:24
azeemxoxoxo: use sudo for administration06:24
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FTTPgfx ok since u used em both06:24
deFryskroot = sudo <userpasswd>06:24
azeemxoxoxo: the initial user has full sudo priviledges06:24
dargohi06:25
xoxoxoazeem, so i need to change the root password first?06:25
FTTPgfx:  you know how with suse that suse yast is kinda seperate from the gnome interface?06:25
azeemxoxoxo: no06:25
deFryskxoxoxo, there is none06:25
azeemxoxoxo: you do not need the root password at all06:25
rasherGFXstyLER: well, I've been a debianite for the past 3 years, so I'm not going anywhere just yet :)06:25
GFXstyLERi never used gnome with suse06:25
xoxoxoyou all mean i NEVER need to know root password?06:25
azeemxoxoxo: if you do "sudo <command>", just type *your* password if asked06:25
azeemxoxoxo: you cannot know it, as there is none06:26
FTTPgfx i never used kde with suse :P06:26
FTTPgfx well with kde also06:26
azeemxoxoxo: and you do not need it06:26
GFXstyLERim too stupid for debian :D tried to install it but failed06:26
deFryskI never used suse06:26
deFrysksince 6.106:26
boldiixoxoxo, but you could du "sudo passwd root"06:26
azeemGFXstyLER: the installation is mostly identicial06:26
azeemGFXstyLER: if you install sarge/testing, that is06:26
GFXstyLERyes but configuration seems hard to me06:26
azeemboldii: except you shouldn't06:26
xoxoxoboldii, sudo passwd root asked me the old password06:27
boldiiazeem, I cannot live w/o root06:27
rasherif you *really* need a root prompt, sudo bash06:27
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xoxoxoazeem, how come there is no root password? i want to config ubuntu the old way, like other debian system06:27
Friczyhi06:27
deFrysksudo xterm06:27
azeemxoxoxo: use sudo06:28
boldiiI don t like this sudo crap as I have other users except me on my pc ...06:28
azeemboldii: so?06:28
deFryskxoxoxo, read the faq on the ubuntu page06:28
kentjust edit /etc/passwd to get a normal root account.06:28
GFXstyLERsudo passwd root  would activate the root account06:28
xoxoxoso there is NEVER root on ubuntu???06:28
azeemxoxoxo: actually, you should configure your Debian system by using sudo as well06:28
FTTPgfx well always youve used yast with suse right?06:28
xoxoxothat is funny man06:28
boldiiazeem, so anybody could open a root shell and do everything, as my user is the autologin user ...06:28
GFXstyLERyes i used yast06:28
dataw0lfubuntu forcing you to use sudo is helping you learn good habits, bro.06:28
GFXstyLERbut i think its a little slow06:29
azeemboldii: well, don't autologin then06:29
xoxoxoboldii, i think same06:29
FTTPgfx:  ok well in ubuntu there is no yast equivalent or is there?06:29
FTTPgfx:  Or does it just use whats built into gnome??06:29
deFryskyast2 sucks06:29
Friczyboldii: but sudo asks for your password isnt it?06:29
deFryskbig time06:29
GFXstyLERi guess not06:29
azeemboldii: but do not tell people who come here to throw away Ubuntu design principles without at least thinking twice, please06:29
xoxoxoso anybody sits at the console can do anything on my machine without knowing my root password, right ????06:29
azeemFriczy: good point06:29
Friczyxoxoxo: no06:29
boldiiazeem, sorry, didn t know that. I have figured out during install the sudo thing and hated it. ...06:29
azeemxoxoxo: they need to know *your* password06:29
deFryskxoxoxo, ne he needs user passwd06:29
Friczyxoxoxo: if she knows your password06:30
FTTPgfx:  See i like to have the option of something like yast but integrated directly into gnome06:30
dataw0lfthree different type of pronouns, that was interesting.06:30
hypa7ialol, i think we need to have something in the /topic about the root pw thing06:30
xoxoxoazeem, you dont get my point. assuming i get out without logging out06:30
FTTPgfx:  With the same feature set i mean06:30
dataw0lftypes*06:30
GFXstyLERyes06:30
azeemxoxoxo: xscreensaver06:30
FTTPgfx:  not the same yast program06:30
xoxoxothen people can sit at my console and do anyting06:30
rasherxoxoxo: you still need to type your password for sudo06:30
GFXstyLERbut i dont like suse or yast in general06:30
azeemxoxoxo: otherwise, they can compromise your SSH and gnupg keys06:30
Kamionboldii: create a different user for autologin, or else configure /etc/sudoers appropriately for your setup06:30
xoxoxoazeem, if this is way ubuntu works, you dont understand about security at all06:30
FTTPgfx:  see with suse you have to go out of gnome and into yast...... everything should be done from gnome06:30
rasherxoxoxo: also, *don't* leave your computer open06:30
azeemxoxoxo: which isn't much better, no?06:30
FTTPgfx :  I dont like yast either06:31
dataw0lfxoxoxo: if you have a good password and physically secure your box, it shouldn't be a problem.06:31
FTTPgfx:  Im just saying i wish those features were incorporated into gnome and built into the gui too not the same way06:31
xoxoxoi can sometime forget to logout06:31
boldiiKamion, well, I will continue doing it the "su root" way, but thanks.06:31
dataw0lfI use a 12 character password for my normal user.06:31
azeemxoxoxo: and why wouldn't you leave a root shell open?06:31
xoxoxofor one or 2 mins, anybody can fsck up my machine06:31
GFXstyLERmaybe in the next gnome version06:31
Friczyxoxoxo: then edit your sudoers file06:31
Kamionxoxoxo: never leave your machine without logging out or locking your screen; local root compromises are typically much easier than remote access compromises06:31
rasherxoxoxo: the thing is, they *still* need your password to sudo things06:31
azeemxoxoxo: plus, sudo has a timeout06:32
azeemxoxoxo: people will be asked your password again when they try sudo06:32
FTTPit seems like there are so many linux distros and constant development on apps coming from all06:32
FTTPso if its a bug in debian or ubuntu it still gets fixed :)06:32
xoxoxook, rasher, you mean i must provide root password for sudo? which password?06:32
FTTPfor both too06:32
rasherxoxoxo: your own password06:32
azeemxoxoxo: you must provide *your* password06:32
xoxoxomy system now is in default config06:32
azeemxoxoxo: everybody else as well06:32
rasherxoxoxo: do you even know how sudo works?06:32
xoxoxook, sudo passwd root?06:33
rasherWhy????06:33
azeemxoxoxo: that would be the way to re-enable the root account06:33
GFXstyLERwhat i dont get is why they say linux is only used 5% worldwide altough so many people use it06:33
xoxoxothen it asked the password. what to type in now?06:33
azeemxoxoxo: however, I suggest you try the sudo way for a while06:33
Friczyxoxoxo: for example: sudo bash06:33
FTTPgfx is it a bug when u do logoff it shuts down the computer?06:33
Friczythen system asks for your own password06:33
azeemxoxoxo: btw, Mac OS X works exactly the same06:33
FTTPor is that just on my machine06:33
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KamionGFXstyLER: 5% of the world is a lot of people06:34
GFXstyLERwhen i log off it doesnt shut down06:34
FTTPgfx really?06:34
xoxoxook guys, i changed my password now06:34
GFXstyLERyes06:34
FTTPgfx u using livecd?06:34
azeemFTTP: you got the livecd06:34
GFXstyLERno06:34
FTTPazeem yes06:34
azeemFTTP: it's different in the real thing06:34
FTTPazeem ok so the livecd does that tho right?06:34
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azeemFTTP: yes06:34
FTTPazeem is that a bug or just how livecd works?06:35
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azeemFTTP: that's how it works06:35
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xoxoxoi have one more question: how about ubuntu kernel? vanilla or you patch it with smt?06:35
FTTPazeem seems kind of off logoff means shutdown tho :P06:35
rasherxoxoxo: congratulations, you just did what 10 people were trying to tell you is a bad idea06:35
FTTPazeem but i can install it now cause i like it :)06:35
azeemFTTP: which makes sense for livecds06:35
FTTPso i dont need livecd06:35
FTTP:)06:35
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xoxoxorasher, i got it. that is a little confused for the first time user ;)06:36
GFXstyLERare you installing warty or the beta?06:36
FTTPazeem well it should just be changed to shutdown, not logoff06:36
azeemFTTP: yeah, mabye06:36
rasherxoxoxo: but you shouldn't have done it....06:36
azeemeh06:36
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FTTPazeem just needs the text changed to shutdown, its not really a bug i guess06:36
FTTPjust wording :P06:36
xoxoxorasher, not done what?06:36
azeemthat's still a bug06:36
FTTPazeem so should i report it?06:36
FTTPlol06:36
rasherxoxoxo: changed the root password.. why did you do it?06:36
xoxoxochange root password?06:36
azeemjust a minor one06:36
azeemFTTP: why not? Sounds reasonable to me06:36
xoxoxorasher, why not?06:36
azeemrasher: 18:32 < xoxoxo> ok guys, i changed my password now06:37
FTTPazeem ill report it why not :P thats what linux is all about right ? :)06:37
xoxoxowhat is bad with changing the rot password?06:37
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rasherxoxoxo: you're not supposed to use the root account directly, only through sudo06:37
azeemxoxoxo: however, you are free to do whatever you want06:37
Kamionhe's allowed to if he wants to06:37
FTTPazeem ill see if its there already06:37
rasherOf course06:37
GFXstyLERand why exactly shouldnt i use the root ?06:37
azeemGFXstyLER: you should only use your super-powers when you need them06:38
GFXstyLERnoone except me is using this pc so that wouldnt be the point06:38
azeemhaving root shells open allude to using it for non-admin work06:38
xoxoxohmm... so the default user can use sudo to run any privilege command?06:38
rasherThis is all about a) best practices  b) personal preference06:38
xoxoxois that the default configuration?06:38
FriczyGFXstyLER: dont run any program as root if it is not necessary06:38
rasherxoxoxo: yes, after typing your password06:38
azeemxoxoxo: yes06:38
GFXstyLERi dont use them much but i would like to use root instead of sudo, because i learned it like that06:38
FriczyGFXstyLER: if your program has a remote exploitable hole, then all of your system can be rooted06:38
xoxoxook you genious guys. now how about ubuntu kernel?06:38
FTTPin windows xp dont u also have to put in an admin password?06:39
azeemGFXstyLER: you just use Linux for a week though, right?06:39
Kamionxoxoxo: if you want to see the patches we've applied, 'apt-get source linux-source-2.6.8.1' and look in debian/patches/06:39
GFXstyLERi used it for a week now06:39
FTTPwith su........ are u forced to put in an admin password?06:39
FTTPor is there no admin password on default install?06:39
Kamionsu asks for the root password06:39
Kamionthe root password is unset by default06:39
GFXstyLERbut i will keep it ;) no need for windows anymore06:39
xoxoxoKamion, i am getting it06:40
FTTPkamion:  people really should add the root06:40
FriczyI consider changing my opsys from debian to ubuntu. which is better? to dist-upgrade (from sarge) or reinstall from scratch?06:40
KamionFTTP: why?06:40
TreenaksFTTP: no, they should not06:40
azeemGFXstyLER: what I mean is that you should be easily able to change your habits still :)06:40
FTTPkamion:  I remember back with corel linux this was a big debate they did it too06:40
TreenaksFTTP: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo06:40
FTTPthanks treenaks06:40
KamionFTTP: we made this the default for a reason; people are certainly entitled to change it, but we think the default is appropriate06:40
xoxoxoanyway should i customize the source.list for better speed? i am in Japan now06:40
azeemFTTP: Lindows just had people *be Root* by default06:40
azeemFTTP: that's a huge difference06:40
FTTPazeem :  thats worse :P06:40
xoxoxoshould be better to use the "local" repository?06:40
GFXstyLERazeem yes youre right06:41
Kamionxoxoxo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive06:41
FTTPkamion i guess we will see how it plays out :) with windows tho upon install u are asked for an admin password (for xp pro at least)06:41
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FTTPand the admin password is the equivalent of root06:42
xoxoxogreat. 2 bad there is no japan mirror06:42
FTTPkamion having no default set to root could be a security risk tho06:42
KamionFTTP: we're not trying to be a copy of Windows; for other commercial comparisons, look to Mac OS X06:42
FTTPkamion how does macos x do it?06:42
KamionFTTP: uh, no, the root account is *locked out* not open06:42
danielsFTTP: ... the way we do, incidentally ...06:42
FTTPoh06:42
FTTPok06:42
GFXstyLERshould i install an antivirus prog for linux?06:42
FTTPi never used mac os x06:43
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FriczyGFXstyLER: if you use only linux then not necessary06:43
xoxoxoKamion, i got source package, but where is debian/patches?06:43
FTTPdaniels what is the upside and downside then ?06:43
cardadorGFXstyLER: only if your linux box is a internet server for windows boxes06:43
GFXstyLERnope it isnt06:43
Kamionxoxoxo: inside the directory that just got unpacked under your current directory06:43
FTTPdaniels: im prolly confused as to the issues involved06:43
xoxoxoKamion, no. there is no such directory06:43
FTTPi know your no windows........06:44
danielsFTTP: upside -- sudo scales better than telling people a root password they're likely to forget anyway, it remembers stuff, it has an audit trail, it's more fine-grained, people don't do stuff like try to log in as root, you have to guess the account name *and* the password, not just the root password of 'superman' or whatever06:44
KamionFTTP: we generally regard Windows to be a crawling security nightmare horror beast and especially avoid borrowing from it where anything to do with user privileges are concerned06:44
Kamionxoxoxo: it'll have unpacked a linux-source-2.6.8.1-2.6.8.1 directory06:44
xoxoxoKamion, yes i saw that06:44
danielsFTTP: if we shipped with a wide-open root account, there'd be no point setting user passwords ;)06:44
Kamionxoxoxo: ... so look in there?06:44
FTTPkamion i agree with you06:44
FTTPdaniels sounds fine....... if it works for mac os x then its a concept which works :)06:45
xoxoxoKamion, mainly about driver patching?06:45
FTTPi guess ill fool around with it and see which of the 2 i like better :)06:45
Kamionxoxoxo: mostly, yeah, see debian/changelog too06:46
FTTPi never really used it but i remember people with corel linux were complaining their was no root account06:46
xoxoxonow should i get 2.6.9 from kernel.org, and compile myself?06:46
FTTPcause it was a security risk blah blah06:46
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cardadordaniels: i just want to thank about xorg and xcompmgr. but if i enable xcompmgr with all the shadows, fades, etc, X locks after a while.06:46
danielscardador: thanks -- and yeah, that will likely happen06:47
azeemxoxoxo: why?06:47
danielscardador: do you have two machines?06:47
azeemxoxoxo: what's wrong with 2.6.8.106:47
azeem?06:47
Kamionxoxoxo: entirely up to you06:47
cardadordaniels: yes06:47
xoxoxoazeem, why what? 2.6.9 has smt 2.6.8 doesnt, right?06:47
FTTPSecurityWhile there are various advantages and disadvantages to this approach, compared with the traditional superuser model, neither is clearly superior overall06:47
FTTPthis article explains it all06:47
FTTPthanks06:47
danielscardador: well, if you want to install xserver-xorg-dbg and run that, you could log in from the other, attach gdb, and see where it hung if you wanted to be really, really useful06:47
cardadordaniels: but only one with a good gfx card06:47
azeemxoxoxo: maybe, yeah06:47
FTTPyeah su is fine06:47
azeemxoxoxo: *shrug*, it's up to you06:47
FTTPits easy to add root06:47
FTTPits in the faq :P06:47
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cardadordaniels: ok ill try that06:48
xoxoxoazeem, that is for sure man. kernel changes very fast these day06:48
danielscardador: thanks a lot :)06:48
FTTPit would be nice if root account addition could be in gnome tho06:48
danielscardador: that would help us debug it06:48
danielsFTTP: ... why?06:48
FTTPdaniels:  No i mean to add it06:48
danielsFTTP: why should normal people need to do it?06:48
danielsFTTP: yeah, but why?06:48
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xoxoxoazeem, besides you must not heard about some kernel security bugs recently?06:49
FTTPdaniels:  in case someone wants to log in, since ultimately someone wont have to use the textmode if possible06:49
xoxoxoyou better upgrade your kernel asap06:49
danielsFTTP: why would people ever want to *log* *in* as root?06:49
FTTPdaniels isnt it better to add functionality for everything for the gui so textmode isnt needed?06:49
danielsyeah, but only for things that make sense06:49
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Kamionxoxoxo: we backport security patches to our kernels06:49
FTTPdaniels:  i mean to add the root account06:49
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danielswe could add a gnome applet to do rm -rf / also, but that isn't so generically useful :P06:49
danielsFTTP: i know you do, but I don't know why people would want to activate the root account06:50
xoxoxoKamion, so what is the recommend kernel version now?06:50
danielsFTTP: instead of using sudo for all their management06:50
cardadordaniels: wouldnt the new nvidia driver be helpfull on hoary?06:50
FTTPdaniels:  So your assuming that your userbase wouldnt be using root right?06:50
FTTPdaniels:  No i mean sudo06:50
FTTPsorry i got mixed up06:50
danielsFTTP: sudo is activated by default06:50
EludiasI'm thinking about switching to Ubuntu; does Ubuntu support Java-in-browser out of the 'box'?06:50
Kamionxoxoxo: depends on your point of view; we won't be changing the kernel version in Warty, instead we'll be backporting security patches to it06:50
FTTPis there a gnome front end to sudo?06:50
danielswhat do you mean, 'gnome front end'?06:50
ilmaribonobo: java06:50
bonoboread the very good java wiki -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java06:50
FTTPdo you have to go into text to use sudo?06:50
FriczyFTTP: yes. from the terminal :D06:50
Kamiongksudo06:50
xoxoxoKamion, so what package i should upgrade to now?06:50
danielsFTTP: if you want to launch an app as root, no06:51
danielsthat's what gksudo is for06:51
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danielspops up a little dialog box asking for your password06:51
Kamionxoxoxo: if you're updating/upgrading regularly from warty-security you should have no further concerns06:51
FTTPahhh there is gksudo06:51
FTTPok06:51
FTTPthats what i wanted to know :P06:51
FriczyI consider changing my opsys from debian to ubuntu. which is better? to dist-upgrade (from sarge) or reinstall from scratch?06:51
bobalienhas anyone run into the problem with Firefox not accessing the web properly the first couple of times you try to load a page - I've read the forum posts about ipv6, but when i disable that I can't get internet at all - also, the system clock sync at startup hangs, probably due to the same problem06:51
xoxoxoKamion, i suppose that "apt-get upgrade" is enough ?06:51
Kamionxoxoxo: for warty-security, should be, yeah06:52
FTTPdaniels and thats part of ubuntu right?06:52
FTTPor i guess u can apt-get it :P06:52
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bobalieni've got a broadcom 4400 ethernt card, which i got an RPM for off broadcom's site, alien'd to a .deb and ran, but i'm a newb and not sure if that's all you need to install drivers06:52
KamionFriczy: upgrading from sarge may be possible for experts but we can't support it, since sarge hasn't released yet06:52
xoxoxoKamion, how can i upgrade just security fixes only?06:52
GeosBcalc news06:52
KamionFriczy: it'll be a partial downgrade06:52
FriczyKamion: I consider myself as 'expert' :)06:52
KamionFriczy: then you already know the answer, by definition. :-)06:53
danielsFTTP: no, it's a part of Ubuntu, and when you need root privileges for configuring network/timezone/whatever, it prompts for your password06:53
Friczyok. thx :)06:53
Kamionxoxoxo: warty isn't changing in any other way ...06:53
FriczyI still not decided :)06:53
FTTPdaniels gotcha06:53
FTTPdaniels sounds like u have it figured out nicely :)06:53
KamionFriczy: also see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogUpgradeNotes06:53
FTTPdaniels see im unfamiliar with the concept of su06:53
FriczyKamion: yes, I read it already06:54
azeemFTTP: it's 'sudo', not 'su'06:54
FTTPim used to those distros which force u to create a root account06:54
FTTPi mean sudo06:54
FTTPtypo06:54
Friczyone side: if i install from scratch, lots of my setting will lose. but perhaps it will be the better :)))06:54
xoxoxoKamion, what is recommend dpkg frontend in ubuntu?06:54
xoxoxosynaptic or smt else?06:54
azeemxoxoxo: synaptic06:54
cardadordaniels: wouldnt the new nvidia driver be helpfull on debuging xorg? i say this because i am enabling render acceleration.06:54
danielsoh, you're using the binary driver?06:55
cardadordaniels: yes, 61.16, but 66 is already on debian unstable.06:55
cardadordaniels: i am using the one from ubuntu repository.06:56
FTTPdaniels:  livecd has a different autodetection mechanism than the regular one right?06:56
KamionFTTP: yes, in Warty; unifying them is a goal for Hoary06:57
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FTTPkamion gotcha06:57
FTTPwhich one is better?06:57
lexihi!06:57
FTTPor just different06:57
KamionFTTP: mixed06:57
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KamionFTTP: which is one reason we want to unify them :)06:58
danielscardador: i fear that your backtraces may end up in '#0 at ????????'06:58
FTTPkamion:  gotcha.........06:58
FTTPkamion so u mean combine the best of both?06:58
KamionFTTP: yep06:58
danielscardador: but it's worth a shot06:58
FTTPsounds good06:58
Kamionbasically move to hotplug but brush up the kernel's device tables a lot06:58
FriczyKamion: do you plan to make full CD set (not only install)?06:58
FTTPso hotplug is what the autodetector is called?06:58
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danielsKamion: o, I am weeping for the loss of discover1-data's format06:58
xoxoxoanybody knows why i cannot "apt-get install kdevelop" ?06:58
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xoxoxothere is no kde in rep?06:59
FTTPhttp://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/06:59
FTTPfound it06:59
FTTPill read up on it, thanks :)06:59
FTTPu folks are amazing06:59
xoxoxoso what to do now?06:59
cardadordaniels: ill try that at home, right now im at work (also ubuntu :) )06:59
FTTPeverything is figured out06:59
lexi-has ubuntu some kind of design/graphics team?06:59
FTTPeven hotplugging06:59
FTTP:P06:59
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KamionFriczy: what do you mean?06:59
FriczyKamion: i want to recommend ubuntu to a friend who has not internet access07:00
KamionFTTP: the installer currently uses a mix of various stuff07:00
FTTPkamion gotcha07:00
xoxoxoKamion and azeem: how can i install kdevelop?07:00
KamionFriczy: oh, no, we've no plans to do full CDs of all of main07:00
FTTPsource code is open right? :)07:00
FTTPheh07:00
KamionFTTP: quite07:00
FTTPi can look thru it07:00
FriczyKamion: ok :( thx for the info07:00
danielscardador: good luck07:00
Kamionuh, by that I mean "quite so", not "sort of"07:00
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azeemxoxoxo: dunno07:00
FTTPi know07:00
azeemI do not use KDE07:01
FTTPsource is good :)07:01
lexi-hello?07:01
xoxoxolooks like there is no kde in ubuntu repository?07:01
Kamionlexi-: couple of people work on it, we have somebody on contract doing design IIRC07:01
azeemlexi-: not really, AFAIK07:01
Kamionxoxoxo: universe07:01
azeemlexi-: what Kamion said07:01
xoxoxoKamion, what is that universe?07:01
Kamionsee the FAQs on the website please07:02
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KamionAbout Ubuntu -> Components is probably a good place to start07:03
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lexi-Kamion, azeem: on contract? the thing is that i would like to join such a group07:03
Kamionlexi-: mail ideas to ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com I guess07:04
lexi-the ubunto logo could need some finish, the font face is rather ugly..07:05
lexi-*ubuntu07:05
azeemisn't it SVG?07:05
azeemwhat's ugly about it?07:05
lexi-the font hasn't good proportions07:05
lexi-the t + b07:05
lexi-and the u ;)07:06
Kamionyou could also file bugs against ubuntu-artwork07:06
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xoxoxoKamion, i looked at the faq. it said smt about universe component, but nothing else? there is no link to "universe" component07:06
rasherthe vertical line in the t looks a bit odd imho, can't see anything wrong with the rest07:06
Kamionxoxoxo: 18:03 < Kamion> About Ubuntu -> Components is probably a good place to start07:06
littlegreenmancan someone help me with setting the sound in my system?07:06
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littlegreenmani just checked in xp, mp3 files play fine07:06
azeemlittlegreenman: ubuntu does not play .mp3 files by default, AFAIK07:07
littlegreenmanbut i don't know how to check in ubuntu to see if my sound card is configured... etc...07:07
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J-jayz-Zmoin07:07
littlegreenmanazeem how do i configure it?07:07
J-jayz-Zlol07:07
azeemlittlegreenman: see the website, I dunno07:07
J-jayz-Zhello @ all07:07
thriftI came in here yesterday, because I was having memory problems and switched to the k7 kernel due to them, looks like I'm still getting them, check ftp://68.162.169.227/Screenshots/Memory.png to see what I mean.  Anyone know what to do to solve this?07:07
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littlegreenmanazeem, thanks...07:07
lexi-Kamion: so if i work on it, should i just send it to ubuntu-devel?07:07
Kamionlexi-: reasonable place to start07:08
lexi-website should be redone, too ;)07:08
J-jayz-Zis anybody here working with lilo ???07:08
TycheHow do you think a Compaq DeskPro Celeron 500 w/ 196MB be for a small web server?07:08
TycheRunning Ubuntu of course.07:08
rasherTyche: depends entirely of the scale of the sites hosted :)07:09
lexi-does someone know where that svg logo resides?07:09
rasherTyche: it could be way overkill, or too little07:09
rasherlexi-: it's in the wiki somewhere07:09
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|0__0|hi asl.07:09
J-jayz-Zhi07:09
Kamionlexi-: several of us detest the website :)07:10
TycheReally all it will be doing is hosting a single site or 2 running a mambo server...no high scale stugg.07:10
Tycheerr, stuff.07:10
azeemlexi-: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Artwork07:10
|0__0|I appreciate the earth-tone themes of Ubuntu, but I think it would be better if it had some nudity.07:10
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azeem|0__0|: hah07:11
xoxoxoKamion, i modified sources.list and update "universe" now.07:11
|0__0|azeem: also, not letting people log in as root is a SECURITY RISK07:11
|0__0|so, now that I'm all caught up07:11
J-jayz-Zi nned help to edit the /etc/lilo.conf, i heve ubuntu and yoper linux on my harddisk but i don know how to edit the file for changing between yoper and ubuntu because of the boot image of ubuntu...07:11
azeemJ-jayz-Z: ubuntu uses grub, not lilo07:12
J-jayz-Zazeem: i know07:12
azeemso ask the yoper guys about lilo :)07:12
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plogginhi07:12
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J-jayz-Zbut i do not know *some* things about grub07:12
plogginanyone got a radeon graphic card?07:13
ograhi everybody !!!07:13
|0__0|azeem: I think he really wants to configure grub for dual-oot07:13
lexi-how can i get wiki attachments?07:13
J-jayz-Zand i like lilo but also ubunto, so i am working with lilo and ubuntu :)07:13
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|0__0|oh07:13
azeem|0__0|: 1:0 for me :)07:13
|0__0|yeah, looks like, azeem07:13
ograthe current issue of german "linux user" SUPPLYS A UBUNTU WARTY CD !!!!!!07:14
J-jayz-Z;)07:14
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FTTPi want to give them out to friends07:14
thriftDid anyone take a look at that screeny?  I've been up for under 24 hours and am using >325M RAM.  It'll be up to a G by tommorow night probably.07:14
ploggini need help installing my ATI Radeon graphic card07:14
ograhoraaay07:14
J-jayz-Zogra: I know, what you think, from where i have the ubuntu disk?;)07:14
FTTPi can get alot of ubuntu users :)07:14
Gwildor_ploggin, we all do07:14
xoxoxoKamion, by glancing at debian/patches, i think that the latest kernel source code from ubuntu doesnt fix the lastest "ELF" security bug, right?07:14
FTTPlivecd is great tho cause i can show people they dont need windows07:15
xoxoxoi dont see such patch07:15
lexi-Kamion: how can i download attachments from the wiki?07:15
Kamionxoxoxo: I wouldn't know; if it doesn't I shouldn't imagine it'd take long07:15
lhbok, just to confirm.... should i use the k7 kernel for my amd xp?07:15
thriftlhb: yes07:15
ograJ-jayz-Z: i was waiting for this.....the german news didnt seem to recognize us at all, no msg on heise (and i know a bunch of ppl have asked for one)07:16
azeemlexi-: it might be that the .svg versions of the logo are not up on the wiki yet, I read about problems there07:16
lhbthrift: cheers07:16
azeemogra: Debian has bribed Heise to not report on Ubuntu07:16
azeem(or was that SuSE? Can't remember)07:16
ograaee: by which reason ?07:16
xoxoxoKamion, the kdevelop from universe is very old: 2.1 (??) the last one is 3.1.1. how to get the new version of kdevelop?07:16
ograazeem07:16
azeemxoxoxo: compile it yourself07:17
lexi-azeem: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuArtwork/view?searchterm=logo but i can't fid how to get that crap07:17
J-jayz-Zogra: yes.but it is very good for beginners.normally anybody of the beginning is using mandrake, suse and _maybe_ debian...07:17
J-jayz-Zthats it..07:17
xoxoxoazeem, should i get it from unstable repository of debian?07:17
azeemlexi-: yeah, it may not be up yet07:17
azeemxoxoxo: I can't recommend that07:17
thriftxoxoxo: I use debian repository, they have 3.1.007:18
azeemit's an option, of course07:18
xoxoxohmmm...07:18
azeemogra: I was just joking07:18
ogra*g*07:18
lhbthrift: is apt-get going to update grub?07:18
xoxoxothrift, you mix debian and ubuntu for kdevelp? is that fine?07:18
FTTPubuntu just started and it looks like its got significant activity and development :)07:18
thriftxoxoxo: don't know, maybe that's why I have memory issues07:18
xoxoxoi heard that mixing stuffs may cause trouble07:18
FTTPi admire ubuntu :)07:18
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thriftlhb: yes07:18
xoxoxothrift, how to know that you got memory problem?07:19
J-jayz-Zok, i am awy, C U guys07:19
rasherFTTP: it's been underways for a while07:19
lexi-fsck it, i come back when you have a new website07:19
FTTPthe communities of the other distros that are smaller have life sucked out of em07:19
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FTTPfor user friendly ones07:19
FTTPrasher:  I just heard of ubuntu recently07:20
thriftxoxoxo: I have a whole install of kde from debian. it's work flawlessly, but I had memory issues before I added the unsupported repositoried I think... Check the screeny: ftp://68.162.169.227/Screenshots/Memory.png07:20
azeemFTTP: I guess life is going to be hard for user-friendly Dbeian-based distros in the near future, yes07:20
FTTPazeem:  No thats not what i was saying07:20
azeemFTTP: so what you are saying? =)07:20
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FTTPazeem:  just saying that many of the smaller user friendly distros never really got off the ground07:20
rasherFTTP: yeah, but it's been a nameless effort for a while actually07:20
lexi-Is there some WebCVS?07:20
FTTPazeem and they stopped being activly developed as much07:20
azeemFTTP: well, some of them are Debian-based...07:20
FTTPazeem yep07:21
azeemFTTP: the difference is, they did not start off with 30 top-notch developers working full time on them07:21
krismthis question isn't ubuntu specific; i'm not sure where to start looking, and sinc e i'm running ubuntu.... ;) : i have several email accounts all forwarding thier mail to my main account. using Pine, i want to set the "reply-to" header to that of the email address it was sent to. any ideas?07:21
FTTPazeem:  Ubuntu has 30?07:21
krism(e.g. where to start searching.. )07:21
FTTPazeem:  All due to shuttleworth?  :)07:21
|0__0|krism: I know how to do it with mutt, but not pine07:21
FTTPthats awesome07:21
azeemFTTP: eh, not sure, but that's the right ballpark07:21
|0__0|krism: however, I also know how to make mutt use pine's keybindings07:21
krism|0__0| : how do you do it with mutt?07:21
FTTPazeem yeah cause shuttleworth has bucks so he can hire07:21
|0__0|krism: you use a send-hook07:21
azeemFTTP: in the meantime, Ubuntu has more, but they started out with around 30 I beleive07:22
FTTPazeem:  Lycoris had potential........ i think its redhat based ?07:22
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lexi-http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/UbuntuArtwork -- here i got it07:22
KamionCanonical has 30-odd employees, but not all of those are working on Ubuntu07:22
FTTPazeem:  Im not sure what lycoris was based off of07:22
krism|0__0| thanks :) will search on that :)07:22
Kamionthe distribution team is more like 10-15 (don't recall offhand)07:22
FTTPbut lycoris tried what ubuntu is.........07:22
ograKamion: hey :)07:22
FTTPsimilar concept07:23
thriftFTTP: I think it was debian based also, maybe via caldera07:23
FTTPthirt:  i remember speaking to the developers on lycoris and it looked like a new distro that would take off,  but then it became non free, blah blah07:23
thriftFTTP: I don't know a whole lot about it, but I think they are still around....not quite lindows though07:24
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FTTPthrift they used to have it that you could freely download from the website, then the current ones arent plus it uses old caldera code, blah blah...... ubuntu 1st release was better than lycoris was07:24
azeemKamion: there are around 10-15 DDs, however, another bunch of non-DDs develop as well07:24
|0__0|krism: also check out http://zork.net/pub/pine07:24
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FTTPwhen i tried ubuntu i was literally surprised07:24
|0__0|krism: it's a script that you chmod +x, and it runs mutt with several config options set07:24
azeemoh, anyway07:24
FTTPat this rate ubuntu's next release will be amazing07:25
xoxoxolooks like ubuntu uses udev, doesnt it?07:25
ograxoxoxo: yep07:25
ograxoxoxo: it does07:25
|0__0|FTTP: and at this rate, by 2050 Ubuntu will not even need a computer to operate!07:25
FTTPi keep switching from distro to distro for userfriendly distros07:25
thriftFTTP: I believe you, I just got ubuntu installed like 2 weeks ago, I was impressed for not hearing much about it.  Lycoris seemed to me like a noobish distro though.  Ubuntu autodetects my software raid, that's not noobish.07:25
lexi-how do people get cotracted by ubuntu??07:26
FTTPthrift:  yeah impressive07:26
FTTPlexi:  detected all my hardware from day107:26
azeemthrift: that might be a feature of the Debian-Installer though, not sure07:26
FTTPlexi:  Lycoris never worked right on my system actually07:26
FTTPlexi:  So yeah its better already07:26
thriftFTTP: This memory leak is my only issue right now(my nvidia card didn't get set up correctly on install, it thought I had an Sis(my agp is Sis))07:26
FTTPerrr thrift actually07:27
thriftazeem: I attached raid after install07:27
FTTPthrift that is nice :)07:27
azeemthrift: heh :)07:27
FTTPthrift:  Debian is a great codebase, nice and stable07:27
FTTPthrift:  Thats why i loved stormix07:27
FTTPat the time07:27
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FTTPall the distros i like go poof07:27
FTTPubuntu stays around and ill be a happy camper :)07:28
FTTPits better than stormix was07:28
thriftFTTP: never used stormix, but I moved over here from gentoo, at let me tell you, so much more productive when packages aren't broken all the time and integration is good.  I wish they had more packages in the default repositories though, it's pretty constricting.07:28
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FTTPthrift im sort of the user looking for a desktop user so gentoo wasnt for me07:28
xoxoxoafter 30mins playing, i think ubuntu looks great ;-)07:28
|0__0|FTTP: Ubuntu is built by austro-african spacemen, and their average life-span is 76 years!!!!07:28
FTTPgentoo too involved07:28
xoxoxonow if it supports the latest kde and stuffs better...07:29
ograxoxoxo: after 2 months it looks still great ;)07:29
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thriftGentoo was great, but packages were *always* broken, desktops needed massive time to configure it was annoying.  Ubuntu might not have all the same advantages, but it's definately better07:30
xoxoxoanyway, what is the recommend cd burner ?07:30
FTTPlooks like ubuntu got loads of press07:30
rasherxoxoxo: using nautilus is one way07:30
xoxoxodoes that work with 2.6? since i heard bad things about cdburner on 2.6 kernel07:30
FTTPi did a google news search for ubuntu, its all over07:30
|0__0|the problem with gentoo is that the only things you need to have optimized for your system are: 1) Kernel 2) libc 3) any high-end number-crunching apps07:30
Friczycan I get a list from somewhere about which packages are in which components?07:30
|0__0|debian/ubuntu provides 1 for sue07:30
thriftHow about this: Is there even an audio cd burner in the default repositorys07:30
|0__0|and I think there's some mechanism for auto-detection of #207:30
ograxoxoxo: works great for data07:31
|0__0|and #3 is most likely compiled from source as a special case anyway07:31
thriftxoxoxo: ya it is great for data07:31
Kamionazeem: most of the non-Debian developers are working on other things07:31
|0__0|Friczy: components?07:31
xoxoxowell, how to access to that cdburner?07:31
xoxoxoi dont see it from the menu?07:31
Friczy|0__0|: yes i mean main, universe and so on07:32
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ograxoxoxo: put in a empty cd ;) it starts itself07:32
|0__0|Friczy: there are files in /var/lib/apt/lists/07:32
thrift|0__0|: it is certainly snappy, but I don't think it's due to being configured for your proccessor.  You're assumption would also advise compiling gnome...not fun.07:32
|0__0|corresponding to your sources07:32
xoxoxook. bedtime now. see you again.07:32
Friczy|0__0|: yes, but I don't have ubuntu installed07:32
Friczy|0__0|: i still use debian07:33
xoxoxothank you all. you are all genious guys07:33
xoxoxoubutu has great community ;-)07:33
xoxoxogood night07:33
|0__0|thrift: no, I'm saying that you don't get very good performance benefits except for from compiling the kernel, libc, and any scientific apps07:33
|0__0|thrift: recompiling gnome doesn't get you very much at all, since it's mostly I/O stuff07:33
ograxoxo: night :)07:33
|0__0|Friczy: you can always grab the files from the sources07:33
|0__0|Friczy: just hit http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ and browse around07:34
|0__0|find the Packages file you want07:34
thrift|0__0| : I think that's arguable.  A gentoo user would probably flip out with a million reasons his gnome is better due to that.  I think that ubuntu does *feel* faster though, and that's all I care about there.  Gentoo's main advantage though of portage was the huge amount of apps that were there, and especially the nonfree ones07:34
Friczy|0__0|: ok. Thx.07:34
|0__0|Friczy: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/07:35
TycheSaving nick password for x-chat...where is that?07:35
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|0__0|oh hey07:35
|0__0|what's multiverse?07:35
|0__0|I knew about universe07:35
ograTyche: ctrl-s07:35
|0__0|but what's multiverse?07:35
Tycheogra: Under connect command?07:35
ogra|0__0|: non-free07:35
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|0__0|ahhhh07:36
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will_evening ppl, how can you temorarily enable SU in Nautilus to copy files to a protected DIR?07:36
|0__0|ogra: are you at all related to augra from The Dark Crystal?07:36
ograTyche: in german its called "serverlist"07:36
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ogra|0__0|: beyond that i've seen the movie as a teen i dont think so ;)07:37
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|0__0|ogra: pity.  I was hoping you could pop your eye out and everything.07:37
ogralol07:37
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ograwill_: dont use filemanagers as root07:37
thriftogra: why not?07:38
|0__0|ogra: I think he wants sudo to pop up when he tries an operation that gets him permission denied stuff07:38
ograwill_: better use the commandline for such tasks....07:38
|0__0|but I'm 0:1 today07:38
|0__0|so who knows07:38
ograwill_: using nautilus as root will damage certain stuff....07:38
|0__0|yeah07:38
rasher|0__0|: which, incidentally is a great idea. Go implement!07:38
thriftreally?07:38
|0__0|running big X apps as root is certain to break your system07:39
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Chibio.o07:39
|0__0|eventually nothing will work unless you do it as root07:39
|0__0|and your life will be pain07:39
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will_ogra: I need to copy about 5 dirs quickly to /usr/local07:39
binarydigitis running hoary like running sarge?07:39
|0__0|that's why it's so great that ubuntu disables the root account07:39
ograit will change certain file permissons of config stuff07:39
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cardadorbinarydigit: sid07:39
rasherbinarydigit: it's more or less like running sid07:39
|0__0|will_: cp -a dir1 dir2 dir3 dir4 dir5 /usr/local/07:40
binarydigitah so its best to stick with warty07:40
|0__0|sudo cp -a dir1 dir2 dir3 dir4 dir5 /usr/local/07:40
|0__0|that is07:40
thriftogra: shouldn't cofing be on a per user basis via .files?07:40
ograwill_: cp -a /source/dir /dest/dir07:40
thriftcopying*07:40
will_thanks guys!07:40
thriftconfig even07:40
ograthrift: yep and belong to the user.....07:40
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ograthrift: and tha exactly is the prob here07:40
thriftogra: each .files belong to users home dir, so how could root hurt anything by running it's own nautilus07:41
will_how do you show only dirs with LS?07:41
|0__0|ls -d07:41
ograthrift: afterwards they belong root ;)07:41
thriftogra: afterwards what belong to root?07:41
ograwill_: yep in small letters07:41
ograthrift: the configs....07:41
thriftogra: root's configs do07:41
thriftogra: not any other user07:41
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shingokiiHi, has anyone set up freevo on ubuntu?07:42
will_ogra: i mean how do i list ONLY dirs with ls?07:42
ograthrift: if you run nautilus as root and it writes to a config file, the owner  changes....same with mozilla07:42
StarScreamhi all, is there a gui tool that i can use for pppd that uses pppoatm ?07:42
StarScreamwill_, ls -d ?07:43
thriftogra: root's config files are in /root/.xxxxx whereas a users is in /home/users/.xxxx so I don't understand what you are trying to say07:43
ograthrift: never ever run: sudo firefox !07:43
thriftogra: I have run firefox as root. many times.07:43
will_StarScream: nope does not work07:43
thriftogra: the only reason it's stupid is due to security issues.07:43
d0gmazhow do i restart X?07:44
StarScreamwill_, hmm any suggestions, i dont mind using the shell but my girlfriend doesn't like doing console stuff atm07:44
cardadord0gmaz: ctrl+alt+backspace07:44
rasherd0gmaz: quick way, log out to gdm, press ctrl+alt+backspace07:44
thriftogra: I don't do it, but to tell a user to use the command line to copy files rather than just use a file manager as root seems like a bad thing07:44
rasherheh07:44
ograthrift: wait a sec...07:44
thriftogra: k07:44
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shingokiiwhy would you run firefox as root?07:45
boldiire07:45
StarScreamfirefox as root is not a good idea...may as well use windows07:45
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will_thrift: its not good to run X for day to day use as root07:45
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shingokiibut why WOULD you run firefox as root?07:45
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thriftshingokii: if you're running gnome as root and you launch firefox it would just happen, not that this is a good idea, but it doesn't fuck the system up07:45
will_dont run it as root....!07:45
thriftThe only reason not to run X as root is due to security, everyone knows that right?07:46
will_thats true07:46
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[SemTeX] when I try to mount my usb cdrom, it says special device /dev/scd0 does not exist07:46
shingokiiI'm just really curious why you would want to run X as root07:46
boldiihey, how can I upgrade to  5.04?07:46
[SemTeX] but I did my install via that cdrom07:47
shingokiijust sudo or su or something?07:47
SandyHey, Ubuntu is my first real attempt at linux (other than knoppix), and I installed it without a hitch, when I try and access my Windows XP partition through grub though, I get an error 13 message.07:47
[SemTeX] anybody knows what I'm missing? :)07:47
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thriftok, and ubuntu uses a sudo that is persistent, so if you just sudoed in the last five minutes and you're firefox gets buffer overflowed, you're system can still be rooted.  It's not smart to run firefox as root no, but nautilus?  It's more and issue of convenience that security07:47
ograthrift: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-November/011503.html07:47
jonoyo people07:48
jonoanyone in here got DVD movies working in Linux? I need an author to write about it for an O'Reilly Linux Desktop Hacks book07:48
shingokiithrift: wow I didn't know that, thats stupid07:48
shingokiithrift: Can I make sudo NOT persistent?07:48
thriftshingokii: I don't know, but you notice sometimes you don't have to put in your password right after you did a sudo command?07:48
shingokiithrift: You're right, I had noticed that07:49
shingokiithrift: I hadn't given it much thought, not been running ubuntu long, or as my main distro07:49
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thriftshingokii: I doubt it's really a big security issue, but running nautilus or firefox for a second liek that isn't either07:49
ograthrift: this is a good thread too: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/004838.html07:50
will_okay what would you say this is?? :william@will ~ $ sudo nautilus07:50
will_(nautilus:4422): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib07:50
will_(nautilus:4422): Gdk-WARNING **: cannot set locale modifiers07:50
will_(nautilus:4422): Bonobo-WARNING **: Leaked a total of 1 refs to 1 bonobo object(s)07:50
ograargh07:50
shingokiithrift: I just can't see the point, I hardly ever need to run anything as root, and leaving root permissions for a few minutes each time is dumb07:50
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thriftogra: I'm reading.07:50
thriftshingokii: I'm suid...a lot07:50
shingokiithrift: But then I don't really understand why ubuntu doesn't have a "real" root user, normally I would su to that, do stuff, then exit07:50
will_what is this GDK stuff?07:50
sriso, anybody know when compmgr is gonna show up on hoary? :)07:51
thriftshingokii: I think it's so a brute force attack would have to guess a user name, password for the user, then root password.  It's more secure07:51
ograthrift: a bit lengthy..... but the second one explains it better than i can07:51
cardadorsri: its already around07:51
Friczyshingokii: timestamp_timeout, passwd_timeout can be set accordingly07:51
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sricardador: is it?  I haven't been able to see it on apt-cache07:51
adolfoholaaaaa07:51
cardadorsri: thats because it is on a different repository07:51
shingokiithrift: Yup I guess so. Could just let you specify another user for the "root", I dunno. I'm sure its fine07:51
|0__0|what is compmgr?07:51
ograsri: its highly unstable/slow07:52
sricardador: ah, whast the repo?07:52
|0__0|is it some kind of plant?07:52
shingokiiFriczy: Ah great, thanks. Export those in a terminal?07:52
ironwolfanyone able to connect to a windows share on another box?  If so how?07:52
cardadorsri: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/07:52
sriogra: probably.  from the times that I've used it when I complied xorg07:52
Friczyshingokii: no, in /etc/sudoers file07:52
adolfoalguien habla espaol?????07:52
Friczyshingokii: man sudoers07:52
ograsri: completely different07:52
shingokiiFriczy: Thanks, I'll have a look at that :)07:52
sriogra: how so?07:52
ograsri: i tried xorg last year......07:52
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|0__0|KNEEL BEFORE XORG07:53
ograsri: its like working via vnc currently07:53
shingokiiAnyone know about getting freevo going on ubuntu? ubuntu repositories seem to have freevo, but not xmltv stuff on which it depends07:53
Gwildor_ogra, what did you use before ubuntu?07:53
ograGwildor: debian ;)07:53
sriogra: well it's not that bad.  my problems with it is that scrolling has been very buggy07:53
lemsx1adolfo, si07:53
ograsri: ...and moving windows....07:54
sriogra: xorg was fairly unstable back then, but eric has been doing a great job with the compositing stuff07:54
thriftogra: You are right, for sudo, but that is bad that sudo operates that way(I ussually su--login on other distros)07:54
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sricardador: thank you btw07:54
ograhrift: never use filemanagers/browsers as root, its this simple :)07:55
cardadorsri: np07:55
ograthrift07:55
thriftogra: only in ubuntu does this work this way07:55
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sri|0__0|: xcompmgr is the compositing manager, it's the one that lets you use drop down shadows, and fading windows and all that stuff.  It's very unstable at the moment07:55
ograthrift: nope07:55
thriftogra: su --login in any distro you can and echo $HOME, it will be /root07:55
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ograthrift: its a simple unwritten law in unix07:56
sriactually it's more stable if you don't use any of the shadows and what not07:56
thriftogra, read what I just said07:56
zenwhenoic07:56
cardadorsri: you're right, very unstable.07:56
ograthrift: i read it :)07:56
|0__0|aha07:56
thriftogra: what will the $home variable be07:56
Tycheogra: what is the +nc up top? And, what is +tnc07:56
will_ahhh i love downloading at 8Mbits !07:56
Kamionthrift: sudo != su --login, this isn't Ubuntu-specific07:56
ograthrift: imagine you move your /usr by accident .... and didnt recognize where you dropped it....07:56
sricardador: yeah, have to wait till anholt and others are working on other stuff I think, not compositing07:56
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ironwolfwhere do I specify username when I get "You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "Windows Network: hostname".07:57
thriftkamion: I realize, but it would be safe to su --login, then launch nautilus as root.07:57
zenwhenoic07:57
Kamionthrift: use sudo -H if you want it to change $HOME07:57
thriftkamion: thank you07:57
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cardadorbtw, if anyone has a friend that wont change to linux because of counter strike source, tell him he can play on linux07:57
ograthrift: but that still brings no safety net :)07:58
thriftogra: sudo -H then.  I understand you could move somethign important somewhere you shouldn't, but that simply means don't run it as root all the time07:58
thriftogra: When does your filemanager touch the internet.07:58
shingokiinice, you can only edit sudoers file with visudo, which uses vi, and vi is not installed, yay !07:58
ograthrift: if you ever work with uni* it will be the first thing you learn....07:59
SandyHmm, changed it so that makeactive came before chainloader +1, now getting an error 1207:59
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ograthrift: ??07:59
Friczyshingokii: visudo can use any other editor as I know07:59
thriftogra: I've used unix longer than you garaunteed07:59
Kamionshingokii: visudo uses $VISUAL07:59
ograthrift: k....07:59
Kamionshingokii: also vim is installed by default and provides vi07:59
aaroncukquick easy questiion.. im feelin dizzy.. an matx mb will fit in an atx case07:59
thriftogra: how long have you used linux/unix?07:59
Sandyanybody have any advice?07:59
ograthrift: wnot argue on that07:59
thriftogra: then who knows more about what you learn first on unix?08:00
ograthrift: my first touch with unix i had in 8608:00
shingokiiI think I'll just trust ubuntu and leave it08:00
TycheSandy: Have you tried installing grubconf to help configure your grub?08:00
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will_i should not have updated to hoary08:00
ograthrift: didnt last long though ;)08:00
thriftogra: This is becoming silly, you're first touch, and when you were first really using it is very different08:01
shingokiiIs there somewhere to report package weirdness? Like if a package is present which can't install due to missing stuff?08:01
ograthrift:  9208:01
Kamionthrift,ogra: dick-size wars won't help either of you; cut it out :)08:01
SandyTyche: Nope, not managed to install anything, as I access the internet through a usb wireless network, so installing something is tricky08:01
thriftlol true08:01
ograhehe08:01
Kamionshingokii: bugzilla link in the topic08:01
thriftogra: you do have more xp though08:01
|0__0|bah08:01
|0__0|damn posix08:01
|0__0|why do we even bother dividing EDITOR and VISUAL any more?08:01
thriftlook at this though08:01
ograthrift: i said i wont argue about that ;)08:01
thriftthrift@Io:~ $ echo $HOME08:01
thrift/home/thrift08:01
thriftthrift@Io:~ $ sudo -H bash08:01
thriftroot@Io:/home/thrift # echo $HOME08:01
TycheSandy: I probably can tell you how I have my conf configured, I also run XP Dual Boot.08:02
shingokiiso uh... I heard it is a recipe for disaster to try to use debian packages with ubuntu?08:02
SandyThat could be handy08:02
|0__0|shingokii: most likely, yes08:02
thriftogra: so config files won't be hurt, but yes no safety net, so only run file manager as root when you NEED to, you could easily do the same damage on the command line as root, and especially if you're not familiar with the command line08:02
|0__0|shingokii: universe and multiverse already contain rebuilds of actual debian packages08:02
will_anyone downgraded from hoary to warty yet?08:02
|0__0|will_: apt doesn't let you downgrade safely08:02
|0__0|best to back up your /home and reinstall08:03
ograwill_: not supported08:03
boldiihow do I upgrade to hoary?08:03
will_dont08:03
|0__0|boldii: if you have to ask, you're probably not ready08:03
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|0__0|hoary is still very rough around the edges08:04
ograthrift: but i wouldnt advise it to any unexperienced person08:04
shingokii|0__0|: I needed xmltv-util and libxmltv-perl but they are not in universe or multiverse08:04
will_like me08:04
Gwildor_boldii, change the word WARTY to hoary in your sources.list08:04
ograwill_: are you ?08:04
thriftogra: All I saw was someone come in and ask how to move files as root, if they asked, they don't need to be told about the command line right?08:04
boldii|0__0|, ok, then I leave it. I don t want to break the glibc like in my old gentoo install ...08:04
|0__0|shingokii: if I were you, I'd try building them from the source packages, but even that's kind of iffy08:05
ograthrift: i told him how to do it... so what ?08:05
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Friczyis there any way to install ubuntu in uml?08:05
Gwildor_boldii, if you must, it went smooth for me, k708:05
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ograthrift: better than sudo .....08:05
will_ogra: only joking! been ubuntu-ing for about 2 months maybe08:05
thriftogra: what is more dangerous?  sudo -H nautilus, or sudo bash then crazy commands user doesn't understand08:05
|0__0|thrift: not sudo bash!08:06
|0__0|sudo particular commands08:06
shingokii|0__0|: So should I put in a bug report? Seems pretty dumb to have freevo in the repository when it can't install08:06
will_bash bash08:06
will_sudo /bin/bash08:06
|0__0|shingokii: yeah, I'd definitely file a bug08:06
ograthrift: they are both bad ;)08:06
thrift|0__0| : sudo 20 particular commands in a row?08:06
|0__0|although you'll probaly get a "not supported" response08:06
shingokii|0__0|: thanks :)08:06
|0__0|thrift: no, he wanted one command, dude08:06
thriftogra: what is worse for a new user? it's obvious08:06
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shingokiithrift: What about the "root terminal" on the applications menu?08:06
|0__0|and yeah, sure, sudo 20 commands08:06
thrift|0__0| : fine for him, but still sudo commands user doesn't understand08:07
|0__0|beats sudo bash08:07
will_thats a potential mine field08:07
boldiiGwildor_, can I find a what s new list for hoary anywhere?08:07
shingokiiWhat about the "root terminal" though, is that not what it is for?08:07
ograthrift: you wont change my mind....and drag n drop in more dangerous in my opinion08:07
thriftshingokii: another just as good option08:07
Gwildor_boldii, I don't know where, search the ubuntu site, I guess, or query the ogra|bot08:07
thriftogra: then you are just being stubborn.  Only an idiot would tell someone who didn't understand the command line to run run commands as root08:07
shingokiiYeah I wrecked one of my first linux installs using a file manager as root, not so much because I'm super-dumb as because the file manager was weird08:07
shingokiithis was some time ago before nautilus08:08
will_calm down ppl, we have to get along TOGETHER!!08:08
ograthrift: okay, think what you will...just  lets drop this now....08:08
shingokiiMind you its easy to wreck stuff by not understanding console commands too...08:08
will_exactly08:08
shingokiilets just all admit - linux is bad!08:09
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will_yeah!08:09
|0__0|shingokii: it sucks!08:09
will_lin-sux08:09
Tycheanyone know about the irc permissions?08:09
ograboldii: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog08:09
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Gwildor_ogra, thnx08:10
boldiiogra, thanks.08:10
shingokiiwhats up with the ubuntu certificates then?08:10
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will_what firewall would u reccomend for Ubuntu08:10
thriftI'm saying in general that it's easier type a command wrong as a user who doesn't understand the command that will do a large amount of damage, than it is for a user to use somethign they are familiar with as root.  I think that's obvious, and you hurt new users by making them do things they don't understand and don't want to understand.  In the perfect real world a user should never have to touch the command line, so it's just s08:10
thriftilly to me.  That's all from me08:10
ograthrift: ...just  lets drop this now....08:10
will_thrift:stop going on! :)08:10
thriftI'm done like I said08:11
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shingokiiYeah I think it's all pretty much argued out - I agree with everyone!08:11
will_ what firewall would u reccomend for Ubuntu08:11
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will_recommend even08:11
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thriftogra: did you see that screenshot I put up with the mem issues?08:12
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piovrahi08:12
ograthrift: must be in my history....diggin08:12
thriftftp://68.162.169.227/Screenshots/Memory.png08:12
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thriftI can't figure out what the hell is going on there08:13
topyliwill_: you sure you need one? everything is closed by default08:13
topyliwill_: i set my own up with firestarter08:13
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piovraa little question...i've xorg an xcompmgr on my box, i can see shadows but, how i can enable transparecy?08:13
Gwildor_will_, no open ports, so I guess that makes ubuntu a firewall08:13
thriftpiovra: transset08:13
piovrais it a package?08:14
ograpiovra: yep08:14
ograthrift: whats wrong there ?08:14
thriftchekc out my mem usage, it doesn't add up.  This is a recurring problem too, I'll be up to a G by tommorow night08:14
piovrai don't find it... on what repository is?08:15
thriftWith the same apps running08:15
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will_i use remote doesktop08:15
thriftpiovra: I don't know, you should have it installed if you have xcompmgr I thought, it could be transet too08:15
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ograthrift: i dont think so.....08:16
ograthrift: since when is the box running08:16
shingokiihmm, I think freevo is in universe, so I can't post a bug on it08:16
|0__0|yeah08:16
|0__0|sucks08:16
thriftogra: It's not in any of my repositories.  Last time I had transet I installed from cvs *shrgs*  under 24 hours08:16
shingokiibut it is a problem with ubuntu I think because ubuntu is missing the required packages08:16
|0__0|shingokii: you can always try building from the deb-src stuff08:17
shingokiiI'm just confused now08:17
thriftogra: I installed the k7 kernel last night at like 10, and it's been running since then(happened with 386 kernel too)08:17
piovradeb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ transset/08:17
topyliwill_: yep, you need to open a port for that. everything else is should still be closed :)08:17
piovrai've find that08:17
piovrai try it now08:17
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shingokiiI think I'll try the static freevo install with everything built in, just would be nice to install it properly08:17
|0__0|shingokii: deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main08:17
|0__0|deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main08:17
|0__0|and then sudo apt-get build-dep the packages08:17
shingokiiI kinda wish ubuntu could use standard debian packages with no problem08:17
ograpiovra: its in daniels repo....copy the xcompmgr line in your sources list and change xcompmgr against transset08:17
|0__0|then fakeroot apt-get source --compile yaddayadda08:18
|0__0|and it'll try to build you a deb built on and for your system08:18
shingokiiright08:18
piovraogra: yeah...i thought the same thing...08:18
piovrai'm updating08:18
|0__0|but yeah, the big static freevo ball may be your best bet just now08:18
|0__0|throw it in /opt or something08:18
lupus_can some help me08:18
ograthrift: so, did it ever swap since then ?08:19
lupus_Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer)08:19
lupus_I keep on getting this problem08:19
will_anyone know how to get maximum speed out of a celeron 500?08:19
shingokiiwill_: A steam-abacus daughterboard?08:19
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ograthrift: linux uses as much memory as it can to stay speedy.....as long as it doesnt swap i wouldnt be alarmed08:20
thriftogra: not swap hit since I switched kernel....it'll slowly get up there if it acts like it did before it'll start swapping tonight.08:20
thriftogra: It could be fixed though and I could be just paranoid08:20
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