[12:00] <fissy> whoever it was who linked me to shorewall earlier, thank you
[12:00] <BeanDip> tidalwav, open your /etc/apt/sources file and replace warty with hoary on every instance and do an apt-get dist-upgrade to get hoary
[12:00] <tidalwav> ahhh
[12:00] <tidalwav> okay
[12:01] <Lathiat> err
[12:01] <Lathiat> no
[12:01] <Lathiat> tidalwav: don't do that unless you realy want to
[12:01] <Lathiat> tidalwav: If your happy runnign warty, just do that, hoary is a development version, prone to breakages etc
[12:01] <Lathiat> while it ususally works, to save yourself the effort
[12:02] <tidalwav> yeah
[12:02] <Lathiat> tidalwav: also did you follow the wiki r.e. installing nvidia drivers?
[12:02] <Riddell> BeanDip: yes, I use kde
[12:02] <|rufius|> anyone had any issues with printers and Ubuntu, namely the printer starts printing bout half an inch too low
[12:02] <|rufius|> ?
[12:03] <Lathiat> |rufius|: Possibly have the wrong papersize set?
[12:03] <Lathiat> or the wrong driver
[12:03] <sladen> tidalwav: warty was ready a month ago, after 3 months of testing
[12:03] <shoka> no, Epson works fine with my system
[12:03] <BeanDip> Riddell, under hoary or warty?
[12:03] <|rufius|> Lathiat: nope, correct driver, correct paper size
[12:03] <BeanDip> |rufius|, make sure you have your paper set as letter not A4
[12:03] <|rufius|> legal paper, w/ the provided Samsung ML-1710
[12:03] <|rufius|> driver
[12:04] <StarScream> hey. last night i managed to enable something in gnome which allowed me to click just by tapping my ibook trackpad
[12:04] <StarScream> but it didn't save
[12:04] <StarScream> and i can't find it again
[12:04] <tidalwav> lathiat: yes, I did.
[12:05] <Lathiat> StarScream: AFAIK theres nothing to do that other than using the synaptics driver in X11
[12:05] <Lathiat> tidalwav: did what?
[12:05] <Lathiat> StarScream: (if you have a synaptics touchpad)
[12:05] <Lathiat> most things seem to
[12:06] <BeanDip> .
[12:06] <StarScream> Lathiat, yeh its wierd...it just started working like that last night
[12:06] <tidalwav> lathiat: I follwed the wiki
[12:06] <StarScream> Lathiat, how do i enable the synaptics driver?
[12:07] <Lathiat> tidalwav: ok anyway so did the commands i gave you help?
[12:07] <Riddell> BeanDip: hoary
[12:07] <hypa7ia> StarScream: does lsmod | grep synap show anything?
[12:07] <Lathiat> StarScream: hoary or warty?
[12:07] <b_e_n_z> StarScream, http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/
[12:08] <Lathiat> hypa7ia: the kernel module is not needed
[12:08] <Lathiat> its included in the driver now
[12:08] <Lathiat> at least as far as i could gather
[12:09] <hypa7ia> Lathiat: looks like you're right
[12:09] <StarScream> hypa7ia, nah its not loaded...i will though
[12:09] <StarScream> b_e_n_z, thanks
[12:10] <tidalwav> lathiat: no, the commands didn't help
[12:11] <BeanDip> Riddell, I keep getting an error trying to install k3b
[12:11] <Lathiat> tidalwav: no idea then sorry
[12:11] <BeanDip> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kcontrol_4%3a3.2.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[12:11] <BeanDip>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/fileshareset', which is also in package kdelibs-bin
[12:12] <tidalwav> k, I'm out
[12:12] <StarScream> brb
[12:13] <Riddell> BeanDip: try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kcontrol
[12:13] <cardador> BeanDip: cd /var/cache/apt/archives, then dpkg -i --forceoverwrite kcontrol.....
[12:14] <Riddell> BeanDip: you have kcontrol 3.2, you should have kcontrol 3.3 which is recently been put in hoary
[12:15] <Riddell> BeanDip: oh, no it hasn't, that's the problem
[12:15] <Riddell> kcontrol 3.3 is my package
[12:15] <BeanDip> ah
[12:15] <Riddell> they've upgraded kdelibs to 3.3 but not kdebase
[12:15] <BeanDip> then I should just wait until the changes are pushed through to the repository
[12:16] <BeanDip> damn
[12:16] <Riddell> BeanDip: add a comment to https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3462
[12:17] <Riddell> if you want it fixed now either follow cardador's advice or use my packages "deb http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/ubuntu/ unstable main"
[12:20] <zenwhen> where does one place new fonts in ubuntu?
[12:21] <HrdwrBoB> zenwhen: open a nautilus window
[12:21] <HrdwrBoB> press ctrl+L
[12:21] <EdwardOG> type in fonts:///
[12:21] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[12:21] <zenwhen> cool
[12:21] <EdwardOG> ;)
[12:21] <zenwhen> thanks
[12:21] <HrdwrBoB> then just drag and drop
[12:21] <EdwardOG> note that it won't appear right away
[12:22] <EdwardOG> but to double check that it's there, you can ls ~/.fonts
[12:22] <johnnybezak> hey guys does ubuntu use /etc/network/interfaces?
[12:22] <BeanDip> johnnybezak, yup
[12:22] <johnnybezak> BeanDip: cool cos mines not there hehe
[12:23] <BeanDip> man interfaces
[12:23] <johnnybezak> whats the name of the network preferences tool
[12:23] <BeanDip> and write one
[12:23] <johnnybezak> in gnome?
[12:23] <johnnybezak> yeah i will hehe
[12:23] <johnnybezak> but if theres some gui way to do it i will do it that way
[12:23] <HrdwrBoB> network-admin
[12:23] <johnnybezak> ok
[12:23] <BeanDip> network-admin
[12:23] <zenwhen> http://zenhardwhere.com/images/udustu.png
[12:24] <Hikaru79> What do I change the runlevel to in order to boot Ubuntu into command line instead of GDM?
[12:24] <Lathiat> johnnybezak: Computer->System Configuration->Network
[12:25] <{Fah-Q}> Hikaru79: at the lilo or grub prompt you can specify "kernel-image single" and it'll boot into single user mode
[12:25] <BeanDip> Hikaru79, edit /etc/inittab
[12:25] <Hikaru79> {Fah-Q}, single user mode = command prompt?
[12:25] <{Fah-Q}> BeanDip: gdm/kdm aren't in inittab, you're thiking of redhat
[12:25] <{Fah-Q}> Hikaru79: yes
[12:26] <Hikaru79> Sweet, thanks =)
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> Hikaru79: Hikaru79 just chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm
[12:26] <BeanDip> {Fah-Q}, inittab controls the default runlevel
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> or rm /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm
[12:27] <{Fah-Q}> BeanDip: so what? you can specify the run level at the lilo prompt.
[12:27] <Majestic|Linux> Ubuntu uses debian reps?
[12:27] <zenwhen> any ubuntu devs around?
[12:27] <{Fah-Q}> Hikaru79: you just want to boot into single user mode to change some settings, right? The next time you boot *dm will start as usual unlesss you remove it from the run level
[12:28] <Lathiat> {Fah-Q}: No,he asked how to change the runlevels so GDM wasn't started, not for once-off
[12:28] <Lathiat> poor guys probably all confused now :)
[12:28] <{Fah-Q}> Lathiat: I wasn't here for that. :) Once you're in single user mode you can just remove the S99xdm script from /etc/rcX.d
[12:29] <Lathiat> {Fah-Q}: dont even need to be in single user mode for that :)
[12:29] <Lathiat> but that would be a good solution
[12:29] <BeanDip> Hikaru79, edit /etc/inittab, choose the default runnlevel you want, and open the corresponding dir /etc/rc(runlevelnumber).d/ and remove any scripts you don't want run in that runlevel (ie. gdm)
[12:29] <Lathiat> won't hold on upgrade, however
[12:29] <Hikaru79> Lathiat, I only need to go single-user mode a few times right now
[12:29] <Hikaru79> Not overall
[12:29] <Lathiat> Hikaru79: Oh, you should have said that
[12:29] <Lathiat> Hikaru79: not what you said ;0
[12:29] <Lathiat> :)
[12:29] <Hikaru79> =( Sorry
[12:30] <Lathiat> Hikaru79: in that case, when your computer is starting up
[12:30] <Lathiat> Hikaru79: grub has a 3 second count down, hit escape
[12:30] <BeanDip> in the /etc/inittab you can lso set which vertual terms open in which runlevels, set a getty on a serial port, do all sorts of fun shit
[12:30] <Lathiat> Hikaru79: and choose the recovery mode kernel
[12:30] <Hikaru79> Is that the same thing?
[12:30] <Hikaru79> recovery mode is the same thing as regular but without the gdm?
[12:30] <Lathiat> Hikaru79: That boots you into a root console in single-user-mode
[12:30] <Lathiat> Hikaru79: mostly
[12:30] <Lathiat> Hikaru79: doesnt start everything
[12:30] <Hikaru79> I see
[12:31] <Lathiat> how about this question
[12:31] <Lathiat> what are you trying to do?
[12:31] <{Fah-Q}> BeanDip: the trouble with changing the run  level is that you then need to verify that all the other services that you want to start, will start
[12:31] <{Fah-Q}> other than that, yeah. you're right
[12:31] <Hikaru79> Then why not just choose "Failsafe Terminal" from the Session tab when Ubuntu asks you to log in?
[12:31] <scoon> WOW.  I LOVE APT.  I LOVE APT.
[12:31] <Hikaru79> We all do, scoon =)
[12:31] <scoon> I JUST WANT TO YELL AT THE WORLD THAT APT IS GREAT.  AND UBUNTU KICKS.
[12:31] <Lathiat> Hikaru79: Thats something different
[12:31] <Lathiat> Hikaru79: altho you can probably get a similar effect from it, depending on what your trying to do
[12:31] <scoon> well i just get firefox-1.0 in by setting up my own trivial repository.
[12:32] <{Fah-Q}> Hikaru79: you know you can still get to the console even if X is running, rigt?
[12:32] <EdwardOG> mmm... emerge and portage
[12:32] <EdwardOG> Imean...
[12:32] <Lathiat> scoon: heh, keep in mind firefox-1.0 isnt in ubuntu for a reason (buggy)
[12:32] <scoon> so i can have the wonderful stability of ubuntu, but new stuff
[12:32] <Despair> Lathiat: 1.0RC is in hoary...
[12:33] <scoon> Lathiat: i used it w/ gentoo and it was fine for me.
[12:33] <{Fah-Q}> what version of firefox is un ubuntu?
[12:33] <Hikaru79> {Fah-Q}, of course =) I just want to see how fast certain things (like webserver) will run if there's no X server hogging anything
[12:33] <Lathiat> Despair: yeh well their probably working on it for hoary, but specifically, it was withdrawn from warty
[12:33] <Lathiat> it did go in initially
[12:33] <Hikaru79> If all works well, then I will remove GNOME altogether
[12:33] <jono> jdub: ping
[12:33] <Hikaru79> (on that computer)
[12:33] <{Fah-Q}> Hikaru79: if X is just running, about the only thing its hogging is some ram. So unless you're swapping, I dont nkow that it'll matter
[12:34] <{Fah-Q}> Hikaru79: and you could always top xdm via "/etc/init.d/xdm stop" after the system boots
[12:34] <scoon> well anyway.  it is VERY easy to set up a local repository and then get the deb's from debian
[12:34] <Lathiat> scoon: indeed
[12:34] <Hikaru79> Won't it slow down things like PHP parsing if I have X running?
[12:34] <{Fah-Q}> s/top/stop/
[12:34] <Hikaru79> Oh, really?
[12:34] <Hikaru79> :D Awesome
[12:34] <Lathiat> scoon: its also possible to add debian source repos, and make it only get firefox from that repo, but thats a different story :)
[12:34] <Lathiat> Hikaru79: Not really, yes
[12:34] <{Fah-Q}> Hikaru79: not unles there's contention for the CPU
[12:34] <HrdwrBoB> Hikaru79: it will make SFA difference
[12:35] <Hikaru79> SFA?
[12:35] <Lathiat> Hikaru79: if you run /etc/init.d/gdm stop it will close it down
[12:35] <HrdwrBoB> Sweet F all
[12:35] <Hikaru79> Thanks, lathiat :)
[12:35] <scoon> Lathiat: i bet.  but this was the first thing i wanted to do.
[12:35] <Hikaru79> Hah
[12:35] <johnnybezak> Lathiat: thanks, i'm using flux so i need to know there names :P
[12:35] <Lathiat> Hikaru79: but honestly, it wont make much of a difference :)
[12:35] <johnnybezak> hmm its not working where are logs for this sort of thing kept?
[12:35] <Lathiat> scoon: its called package pinning
[12:35] <johnnybezak> would some one be able to have a quick glance at my interfaces, to make sure theres not something dumb that i'm missing?
[12:35] <scoon> Lathiat: thanks .
[12:35] <Lathiat> scoon: similar to you can in debian use testing
[12:35] <Lathiat> but add unstable sources
[12:36] <Lathiat> pin all packages to testing
[12:36] <johnnybezak> hey guys, for some reason my ppp0 and eth0 are fighting it out for being default (im not sure the right terminology) network interfaces, if i configure the ethernet, it breaks my internet, so i have to type "route del default" "route add default ppp0" can anyone help?
[12:36] <Lathiat> and then use apt-get -t unstable to grab a couple things for thing sfrom unstable
[12:36] <Lathiat> very usefull :)
[12:36] <Hikaru79> Lathiat, if webserver is the only thing I'm using the comp for, it doesn't hurt either, right? ;)
[12:36] <{Fah-Q}> johnnybezak: stop setting eth0 as a default interface then
[12:36] <{Fah-Q}> :)
[12:36] <housetier> very dangerous too
[12:36] <Lathiat> johnnybezak: edit your network interface, remove the gateway
[12:36] <scoon> Lathiat: i wouldn't suppose that you would want to share a resource or 2 ?
[12:37] <Lathiat> Hikaru79: oh in that case yeh turn it off
[12:37] <{Fah-Q}> just set an address and netmask
[12:37] <{Fah-Q}> dont specify a gateway.
[12:37] <housetier> mixing versions is a pita, even with pinning
[12:37] <Lathiat> scoon: yeh, www.google.com :>
[12:37] <Lathiat> housetier: it is
[12:37] <Lathiat> housetier: depends what your doing
[12:37] <{Fah-Q}> Or add the appropriate commands to your ppp post connect script
[12:37] <scoon> Lathiat: thanks for the tip, master of the obvious.
[12:37] <johnnybezak> {Fah-Q}: the problem is that then eth0 doesnt work :(
[12:38] <johnnybezak> Lathiat: ok i did that
[12:38] <Lathiat> scoon: *grin* sorry -- man apt_preferences i think
[12:38] <{Fah-Q}> johnnybezak: you just need to add a route for the network, not a default gateway route
[12:38] <johnnybezak> {Fah-q}: how hehe?
[12:38] <{Fah-Q}> unless you're not adding private ip addresses
[12:38] <scoon> Lathiat: that's cool.
[12:38] <{Fah-Q}> that could cause issues too
[12:38] <scoon> later all.
[12:39] <Lathiat> scoon: l8r
[12:39] <johnnybezak> {Fah-q}: sorry man i dont understand what youre saying :P
[12:39] <Lathiat> johnnybezak: In your network setup for eth0
[12:39] <Lathiat> johnnybezak: what is the address and what is the netmask you have set
[12:39] <Lathiat> or is it set to automatically configure?
[12:39] <johnnybezak> can i post my interfaces to #flood?
[12:39] <{Fah-Q}> you just need a netmask and ip, not a gateway set in the eth0 stanza
[12:40] <Lathiat> johnnybezak: no thats not going to help anything
[12:40] <johnnybezak> ok so what do you want me to look for
[12:40] <Lathiat> johnnybezak: you can paste your /etc/network/interfaces to me in private, that would be usefull
[12:40] <{Fah-Q}> blah. these backups are going to take foreever
[12:41] <{Fah-Q}> I probably wont be installing ubuntu tonight. :/
[12:41] <johnnybezak> lol im a irc noob how do i do htat?
[12:41] <{Fah-Q}> But it is about time to repartition everything anyways, so I suppose its all good
[12:44] <unperson> Hmm...trying to install totem-xine, synaptic says it must uninstall totem-gstreamer and ubuntu-desktop.  WTF?
[12:44] <HrdwrBoB> unperson: yes
[12:44] <HrdwrBoB> that's correct
[12:44] <{Fah-Q}> conflicting packages
[12:44] <unperson> But ubuntu-desktop?
[12:44] <epod> unperson: it's a metapackage
[12:45] <{Fah-Q}> unperson: its a metapackage
[12:45] <epod> unperson: you can remove it, nothing will actually happen
[12:45] <{Fah-Q}> List the package contents. IT just depends on a buch of other stuff
[12:45] <{Fah-Q}> there's nothing actually in it. metapackages are just convenient ways to install bundles of packages
[12:45] <unperson> I see, it's just a dummy package to install all the desktop apps.
[12:45] <HrdwrBoB> yep
[12:46] <{Fah-Q}> I'd forgotten how much I missed debian's packages.
[12:48] <Hikaru79> Does Ubuntu use inetd or xinetd?
[12:50] <thoreauputic> Hikaru79: type   whereis inetd
[12:50] <thoreauputic> Debian uses it, I assume Ubuntu does too
[12:50] <Hikaru79> Yup, you're righ
[12:50] <Hikaru79> *right
[12:50] <Hikaru79> =) thanks, thoreauputic
[12:50] <thoreauputic> :)
[12:51] <Despair> Hikaru79: Either is available, if you have strong preferences.
[12:51] <thoreauputic> whereis is useful. So is `type`. And which ....
[12:53] <johnnybezak> guys how do i share folders on smb with gnome?
[12:54] <Rene_S> Hidie Ho Good people of Ubuntu
[12:54] <HrdwrBoB> ello ello
[01:01] <Hikaru79> Hmm, having problems with my vsftpd =(
[01:01] <billytwowilly> anyone else using hoary and noticing a huge slowdown in nautilus responsiveness?
[01:02] <Despair> billytwowilly: upgraded to gamin yet?
[01:02] <davmor2> can anyone help me out I'm relatively new to linux and have just found out about ubuntu and have installed it but it doesn't shutdown.
[01:02] <Hikaru79> davmor2, use: shutdown now
[01:02] <billytwowilly> Despair, no idea. If it would do it  automagically in synaptic then yes
[01:03] <davmor2> is that in terminal
[01:03] <billytwowilly> Despair, libgamin0 is installed. gamin itself isn't
[01:03] <billytwowilly> Despair, is that what would be doing it?
[01:03] <Lathiat> davmor2: so you go computer->log out and choose shutdown and it doesnt work?
[01:03] <Majestic|Linux> I'm on Ubuntu but I cant apt-get install kde , or xfce
[01:03] <Despair> billytwowilly: `sudo apt-get install gamin` (may also want to remove fam & libfam0c102)
[01:03] <Lathiat> billytwowilly: Your problem si you haven't got ubuntu-desktop installed
[01:03] <Lathiat> billytwowilly: because youve installed totem-xine or something
[01:04] <Lathiat> billytwowilly: hence things that should be installed havent been
[01:04] <davmor2> yes hangs on the last line acpi_shutdown or something similar
[01:04] <Riddell> Majestic|Linux: edit /etc/apt/sources.list to include universe
[01:04] <johnnybezak> whats the name of the gnome program that does server settings??
[01:04] <billytwowilly> Lathiat, I actually think I removed that because it popped up in deborphan and seemed useless;)
[01:06] <billytwowilly> Despair, I'll remove fam, but libfam is needed by dvdrip.. I'll give this a try . thanks
[01:06] <Lathiat> billytwowilly: oh, thats bad
[01:06] <Lathiat> billytwowilly: forget what he said above and apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:06] <billytwowilly> Lathiat, I'm installing that as well.
[01:06] <Lathiat> billytwowilly: if you install that, itl pull in gamin etc
[01:06] <billytwowilly> Lathiat, thanks for the help
[01:06] <billytwowilly> Despair, thanks as well
[01:06] <Lathiat> ubuntu-desktop has depends: etc for ubuntu as things need to be changed
[01:06] <Lathiat> if you dont have it installed, things break :)
[01:07] <Lathiat> (or well, can get slow, as in this case :)
[01:07] <bob2> note that ubuntu-desktop will force totem-xine out
[01:07] <billytwowilly> I'll brb. Gonna restart X
[01:07] <Majestic|Linux> Ridell I couldnt edit my etc/aptsourceslist
[01:07] <billytwowilly> I don't use totem xine. totem is an ugly hunk of crap... I use mplayer straight and xine sometimes for dvds..
[01:07] <Majestic|Linux> I gotta type nano /etc/apt/sources.list isnt it?
[01:08] <billytwowilly> bob2, thanks for the heads up though
[01:08] <billytwowilly> Majestic|Linux, yah, source.list
[01:08] <billytwowilly> Majestic|Linux, just use tab autocomplete, way easier;)
[01:09] <billytwowilly> hmm. nautilus is fast again. perhaps an X restart is not needed
[01:10] <davmor2> so can anyone help me out with my shutdown problem? it hangs on the acpi_shutdown line
[01:10] <Majestic|Linux> HOw do I add that universe stuff?
[01:10] <billytwowilly> davmor2, I'd love to help you, I just don't know how..
[01:11] <billytwowilly> Majestic|Linux, I could just pm you my source.list stuff if you like.
[01:11] <bob2> Majestic|Linux: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[01:11] <billytwowilly> Majestic|Linux, that way you won't even have to look at the faq;)
[01:11] <davmor2> go into synaptic setting and highlight them in repositories
[01:12] <cardador> billytwowilly: did you remove fam?
[01:13] <billytwowilly> cardador, I removed fam, yes. not libfam though..that is required by dvdrip
[01:13] <cardador> billytwowilly: isnt fam it needed? or it is replaced by gamin
[01:14] <cardador> inst fam needed*
[01:14] <Rene_S> gamin replaces fam
[01:14] <Gamble1> Anyone know how to get a DLINK DWL650-L1 card to work with Ubuntu?
[01:14] <cardador> Rene_S: ok thanks
[01:14] <bob2> Gamble1: does the kernel detect it?
[01:14] <Rene_S> Awright be back shortly
[01:14] <Gamble1> Not sure, Its got link light
[01:15] <billytwowilly> cardador, I think fam is being replaced by gamin
[01:15] <HrdwrBoB> Gamble1: do you know what chipset it uses?
[01:15] <HrdwrBoB> billytwowilly: correct
[01:15] <billytwowilly> cardador, don't ask me what either program does though;)
[01:15] <bob2> Gamble1: run "dmesg", do you see anything about it?
[01:15] <HrdwrBoB> monitors file changes
[01:15] <Protege61894> Anyone know how to install gdesklet?
[01:16] <Gamble1> all eth0 messages
[01:16] <Gamble1> In device manager it detected it as ADMtek
[01:16] <Gamble1> SP906B_V2
[01:17] <bob2> Protege61894: install the package.  enjoy!
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> Gamble1: you might have to use ndiswrapper
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> which uses the windows drivers
[01:17] <LinuxJones> Gamble1, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[01:17] <Gamble1> ok, how do I do that?  Linux newb here
[01:19] <HrdwrBoB> Gamble1: what happens when you run 'iwconfig
[01:19] <HrdwrBoB> can you past the output into #flood
[01:20] <Gamble1> done
[01:21] <aaroncuk> i will stick to phpMp
[01:22] <aaroncuk> anyhoo im off to bed now thanks for all your help especially shank and Qball
[01:22] <aaroncuk> see ua
[01:22] <aaroncuk> ya
[01:22] <Gamble1> ok in network settings, its listings the Wireless card as an Ethernet card
[01:24] <Gamble1> should I delete and recreate it?
[01:25] <Xenguy> This is a 2nd try at this question...
[01:25] <Xenguy> I'm trying to improve the screen resolution (it is currently defaulted
[01:25] <Xenguy> to 61Hz - blechh), so I've edited /etc/X11/XFConfig-4 and increased the values for Horizonta
[01:25] <Xenguy> l and Vertical refresh rate (I tried to adjust the 'Screen Resolution' via the GNOME GUI too
[01:25] <Gamble1> The wireless connection I created is active for my wired LAN connection
[01:25] <Xenguy> l, but it had only 1 value -- 61 -- and would not allow me to change anything).  Is the appr
[01:25] <Xenguy> oach I'm taking correct?
[01:25] <bob2> Xenguy: your line-wrapping sucks
[01:25] <Xenguy> bob2: sure does (from less)
[01:26] <bob2> Xenguy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, might be easier, if you know what your monitor supports
[01:26] <bob2> bah, the new wiki front page sucks
[01:26] <HrdwrBoB> Xenguy: computer->system preferences-> screen resolution
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> Xenguy: this also allows you to change refresh
[01:27] <Xenguy> bob2: I know the vertical and horizontal refresh, so that's no problem -- but will it achieve a higher MHz than 61 ?
[01:27] <bob2> Xenguy: you've found a buf, too, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XautoconfigurationDebug :-)
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> you  should not need to set your refresh rates
[01:27] <HrdwrBoB> in the config
[01:27] <bob2> Xenguy: the value you care about is the v refresh rate, which is in Hz
[01:27] <bob2> 61HZ is shit, tho, I'd hope your monitor supports more :-)
[01:28] <shaya> is it possible to upgrade from debian unstable to warty or hoary?
[01:28] <Xenguy> HrdwrBoB: I'll see if the situation has changed after editing the file, but originally GNOME said 61 and wouldn't allow me to change it
[01:28] <HrdwrBoB> ah ok
[01:28] <Xenguy> bob2: OK
[01:28] <bob2> shaya: yes, but it's not supported
[01:28] <Gamble1> ok, why is my eth1 connection, which I configured as wireless, actually working as my wired connection?
[01:29] <bob2> Gamble1: eth1 and eth0 can swap depending on the module loading order
[01:29] <shaya> bob2: what does "supported" mean? i.e. it's not like canonical is going to walk me through something :)
[01:29] <Xenguy> bob2: I'm sure the monitor can do better than that (it wasn't flickering that way before)
[01:29] <Gamble1> bob2, ok what do I need to do to get the wireless to work?
[01:29] <bob2> shaya: well, if it breaks, don't file bugs unless you're sure they're not related
[01:30] <bob2> Gamble1: ? why does the interface order affect that?
[01:30] <bob2> Gamble1: have you setup /etc/network/interfaces?
[01:30] <Gamble1> no idea
[01:31] <Gamble1> I set it up in the GUI
[01:31] <bob2> ok
[01:31] <Gamble1> didn't edit the config file
[01:32] <Gamble1> would you like to see it?
[01:33] <Gamble1> bob2?
[01:33] <bob2> no
[01:33] <Gamble1> :(
[01:33] <bob2> sorry, I have no idea what the gui does
[01:34] <Gamble1> no would you like to look at my interfaces file?
[01:34] <hypa7ia> hey all, any reason my ethernet card wouldn't be grabbing an ip4 ip off the router via dhcp?
[01:34] <EdwardOG> is it wireless by any chance?
[01:34] <hypa7ia> nope, wired
[01:35] <hypa7ia> like 2ft from the router :-(
[01:35] <bob2> sudo dhclient ethX
[01:35] <bob2> does that work?
[01:35] <hypa7ia> lessee
[01:35] <LinuxJones> hypa7ia, do you the correct module loaded for your network card ?
[01:36] <hypa7ia> possibly not, let me see
[01:36] <thrift> anyone got any experience compiling kernel modules for ubuntu?
[01:37] <thrift> I'm trying to compile hpt374 against the k7 ubuntu headers and i'm getting several pages of errors...had these when i was compiling against the i386 kernel too, eventually I got it to compile though and now I can't figure out what i did
[01:38] <Lathiat> thrift: you probabkly need to compile against the source and not the headers
[01:38] <Lathiat> thrift: and copy the config in, make oldconfig and make prepare
[01:39] <thrift> ugh...copy the config from the headers?
[01:39] <Lathiat> from /boot/config-`uname -r`
[01:39] <bob2> Lathiat: um, are you sure about that?
[01:39] <Lathiat> bob2: i had to do it for a couple of things (cus of the module build system in 2.6) -- or do the kernel headersinclude this crap now?
[01:40] <bob2> kernel headers include all the headers, modules which want more than that are buggy
[01:40] <Lathiat> does it include the 2.6 kernel build system stuff?
[01:40] <bob2> which bits?
[01:40] <thrift> well buggy or not I need my raid back.  I did have the kernel souce last time I compiled before i think though, so I'll at least try it
[01:40] <Lathiat> i.e. make -C /usr/src/linux-blah/ M="$PWD" modules
[01:41] <rublind> Hey, I'm having a sound problem.
[01:41] <Lathiat> which is the recommended way to build kernel modules now (according to kernel docs)
[01:41] <Lathiat> i could be wrong
[01:41] <Lathiat> but it worked for me on something, forget what it was, lirc stuff i think
[01:42] <thrift> well I'm downloading kernel source now, soon as i try this I'll let you know how it worked, thanks for the suggestion
[01:42] <LinuxJones> rublind, your sound is partially working or not working at all ?
[01:42] <Lathiat> thrift: are you getting th ekernel source from apt? (as opposed to kernel.org?)
[01:42] <rublind> LinuxJones: Uh, I think not at all.
[01:43] <rublind> LinuxJones: My desktop beeps when someone says my name in xchat (some times), but that's all I can get out of it.
[01:43] <Gamble1> Anyone had any luck getting nessus to work installing it with apt-get?
[01:43] <LinuxJones> rublind, look at gstreamer-properties you may need to select between alsa or oss etc... hit the test button till your sound works
[01:44] <stuNNed> what is the gstreamer package for sound-juicer to encode in mp3 format?
[01:44] <rublind> LinuxJones: In a terminal?
[01:44] <LinuxJones> rublind, ya do sudo gstreamer-properties
[01:44] <rublind> Okay.
[01:45] <LinuxJones> rublind, it might be that your channels are just muted in sound mixer as well
[01:45] <rublind> I un-muted all of them.
[01:45] <rublind> And it crashes when I try to change one of the EMU10K1 PCM Send's all the way up.
[01:45] <LinuxJones> rublind, try selecting alsa in gstreamer-properties
[01:46] <rublind> I just hear static.
[01:46] <bob2> stuNNed: is there one?
[01:46] <LinuxJones> rublind, ok try another type like oss
[01:46] <rublind> Same thing.
[01:47] <LinuxJones> rublind, you have a sblive card ?
[01:47] <rublind> Yeah.
[01:47] <rublind> Audigy.
[01:49] <thrift> rublind: do you have any ogg media.  You could try to play that from the command line using ogg123 to get a better scope of the problem.
[01:49] <rublind> thirft: Nope, no ogg media, but I do have mp3...
[01:50] <rublind> If that helps.
[01:50] <thrift> i don't know what apt sources you have, but you could install mpg123 and see if you get sound that way
[01:50] <rublind> Okay.
[01:50] <Despair> I'd suggest madplay
[01:50] <thrift> or madplay
[01:50] <rublind> Pick one.
[01:50] <thrift> whichever one you can get
[01:51] <rublind> Okay.
[01:51] <rublind> thirft: come to #flood for a sec.
[01:52] <thrift> rublind are you using apt-get to install or synaptic?
[01:52] <rublind> I was using apt-get...
[01:52] <stuNNed> bob2, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-957.html :D
[01:52] <thrift> i'm not experienced with apt-get, but synaptic seems to solve issues like that i've had
[01:52] <rublind> Okay.
[01:53] <stuNNed> bob2, what is 'galaxy' repo?
[01:53] <bob2> I'm allergic to forums
[01:53] <rublind> thrift: didn't find mpg123
[01:53] <bob2> stuNNed: one some guy made up
[01:53] <rublind> thrift: nor madplay
[01:53] <Lathiat> bob2: r.e. earlier while the module may be buggy if it needs the source, you still want it to work so, thats life
[01:53] <stuNNed> bob2, LOL, that doesn't tell me much! :D
[01:53] <linux_mafia> rublind, mpg321 then
[01:53] <Lathiat> bob2: your right tho
[01:54] <rublind> linux_mafia: nope.
[01:54] <bob2> stuNNed: the url is in the post
[01:54] <stuNNed> bob2, oh, i get it
[01:54] <thrift> rublind: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:54] <thrift> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[01:54] <thrift> deb http://ftp.carnet.hr/pub/debian/ sid main non-free contrib
[01:54] <thrift> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[01:54] <thrift> add those
[01:55] <rublind> Okay.
[01:55] <mtl> isn't it universe?
[01:55] <bob2> erm
[01:55] <bob2> mtl: they both exist
[01:55] <thrift> then refresh in synaptic and search
[01:55] <bob2> thrift: what's that second line for?
[01:55] <mtl> what's multiverse?
[01:55] <thrift> I have no idea, but i'm using those
[01:55] <bob2> mtl: non-free gunk
[01:55] <thrift> and i have mpg123
[01:56] <stuNNed> thrift, those are the only lines in your sources.list?
[01:56] <thrift> no, those are the only ones i added
[01:56] <bob2> you don't want mpg123, get mpg321
[01:56] <thrift> who cares, any will test his sound
[01:56] <bob2> yes, but now you've got him to put 3 extra, completely unsupported apt sources in his config
[01:56] <bob2> you'll be here to help him when that breaks something, right?
[01:56] <rublind> thirft: there are errors.
[01:56] <thrift> he can take them out when we're done
[01:57] <rublind> Everyone, to flood!
[01:57] <bob2> alsaplayer is a far easier way to test if alsa is working
[01:58] <bob2> rublind: that's because you didn't run "sudo apt-get update"
[01:58] <rublind> I didn't update, I installed.
[01:58] <thrift> you need to update now, then try again
[01:59] <rublind> Alright.
[01:59] <rublind> How long will this take?
[01:59] <thrift> not long
[01:59] <bob2> depends entirely on your connection speed
[01:59] <bob2> if you're on dialup, go make a cup of coffee
[01:59] <thrift> ya
[01:59] <rublind> I have DSL.
[01:59] <rublind> Okay, done.
[02:00] <foursti> i just updated one of my ubuntu desktop to hoary (huge download) im wanting to do the same wiht my other computer. is there a way i can copy over the downloaded packages over lan to my other desktop i dont wanna dl the whole crap again - and wheere are they stored
[02:00] <bob2> copy the .debs from /var/cache/apt/archives/
[02:00] <foursti> thats it?
[02:00] <jdub> foursti: scp /var/cache/apt/archives/* othermachine:/var/cache/apt/archives/
[02:00] <foursti> cool ty!
[02:00] <thrift> rublind: you got it installed now?
[02:00] <rublind> Yes.
[02:00] <thrift> rublind, which one?
[02:00] <rublind> 123
[02:00] <thrift> ok, go to command line
[02:01] <rublind> Okay.
[02:01] <thrift> mpg123 path/to/mp3file
[02:01] <rublind> Okay, let me get it from my windows drive.
[02:01] <rublind> (long pathnames, it'd be easier to copy it from there first)
[02:02] <nixman> anyone has seen cases where unbuntu would not detect the dvd rom on the pc ? knoppix 3.6 had no problem detecting it.
[02:03] <foursti> anyone have success or know anything of ATI X300 cards (9700PRO etc) in XORG? (with 3dR)
[02:03] <rublind> thrift: I hear nothing.
[02:03] <thrift> rublind: ok then, you get no errors or anything though right?
[02:04] <JDahl> I want to build a custom kernel my machine, then install the kernel and initrd.img on a different partition (on a usb hd)... I need it because the stock initrd.img is missing some modules for USB - access to the root partition get broken, and I thus get kernel panic during boot
[02:04] <rublind> Nope.
[02:04] <JDahl> anyone experimented with that, and have some advice?
[02:04] <thrift> rublind: ok well first you can remove those lines i gave you from /etc/apt/sources.list, so everyone in the channel doesn't kill me
[02:04] <rublind> Haha, okay.
[02:04] <rublind> One second.
[02:05] <bob2> JDahl: if you're building a custom kernel, don't use initrd
[02:05] <rublind> Okay, done.
[02:05] <thrift> do the update on the apt-get too
[02:06] <rublind> Okay
[02:06] <JDahl> bob2, so I build a custom kernel included whatever I think might be missing... how would I install it on a different harddrive, then?
[02:06] <rublind> Done.
[02:06] <bob2> JDahl: through the magic of make-kpkg
[02:06] <thrift> ok, so we know that you've got an actuall card configuration issue if mpg123 won't play, have you tried running alsamixer to make sure you're volume is up?
[02:06] <bob2> JDahl: configure the kernel normally, then "make-kpkg kernel_image kernel_headers"
[02:07] <bob2> JDahl: then .debs apear in ../
[02:07] <foursti> anyone have a 9700+ card working right?
[02:07] <johnnybezak> is there a wysiwyg html editor like NVU available for ubuntu?
[02:07] <rublind> thrift: all of the volume things go up except for one of the EMU10K1 PCM Send (using the volume control of gnome's gui version), that one causes the gnome thing to crash.
[02:07] <epod> johnnybezak: gedit?
[02:07] <{Fah-Q}> nvu?
[02:07] <Tyche> Looking for information on getting to the admin console for webadmin. I just installed it, and not sure if there is more that I have to do.
[02:07] <bob2> johnnybezak: mozilla composer
[02:07] <bob2> johnnybezak: you can install nvu yourself if you want
[02:07] <bob2> foursti: it wasn't detected and setup automatically?
[02:08] <thrift> rublind : you might want to check with alsamixer from the command line, i've had it pick up channels aumix wouldn't see before
[02:08] <rublind> Okay, I'm doing that now.
[02:08] <johnnybezak> bob2: ok ill give it a go
[02:08] <foursti> bob2, it always WORKS but 3d rendering never works
[02:08] <foursti> bob2, i got it to work on debian and SUSE b4
[02:08] <JDahl> bob2, I follow you this far.. my hardrive boots from /dev/hdax... I want to install the kernel on another ubuntu intallation on /dev/sdax - I dont know how to do that
[02:08] <johnnybezak> epod: gedit's not like nvu hehe :)
[02:08] <rublind> Everything is 100
[02:08] <foursti> bob2, but whenever i try in ubuntu it tells me im using a 9500 generic when im using a 9700pro
[02:09] <bob2> foursti: ok
[02:09] <foursti> bob2, :(
[02:09] <bob2> johnnybezak: you build the kernel, copy the .deb to the other system and install it
[02:09] <bob2> foursti: ask on the user list or something
[02:09] <foursti> bob2, i so want to use ubuntu but ati is hell man, hell!
[02:09] <rublind> bob2 is mad popular.
[02:09] <bob2> I know nothing of silly binary drivers
[02:09] <rublind> Where is thrift? >_>
[02:09] <epod> fglrx!
[02:09] <thrift> rublind: here
[02:09] <bob2> JDahl: : you build the kernel, copy the .deb to the other system and install it
[02:09] <epod> actually
[02:09] <rublind> Oh, okay.
[02:09] <foursti> fglrx must die
[02:09] <JDahl> bob2, but I cannot boot the other system (root access is broken)
[02:10] <rublind> thrift: everything is at 100, except for stuff that can't be at anything (if that made sense)
[02:10] <bob2> JDahl: sure you can
[02:10] <epod> foursti: runs like crap for 3d for me.  I had bzflag being chopping.  In win32 I get 3000+ 3dmarks... *sigh*
[02:10] <johnnybezak> bob2: sorry>?
[02:10] <bob2> JDahl: boot to grub, edit the command line, append "init=/bin/bash"
[02:10] <Phr0stByte> ANyone gotten a Wacom USB devise to work yet?
[02:10] <bob2> johnnybezak: not for you
[02:10] <thrift> rublind: You're getting just white noise when you try to play though, nothing else?
[02:10] <foursti> epod, what card do u have?
[02:10] <johnnybezak> bob2: haha didnt think so :)
[02:10] <rublind> thrift: right
[02:11] <thrift> rublind: this is silly, but are you sure the card is actually hooked to the right out line, like you do know the card works and everything right?
[02:11] <foursti> epod, damn ati needs to get their act togeather im already pushing my head way into NVIDIA.
[02:11] <epod> foursti: Mobility Radeon 9600
[02:11] <rublind> thrift: On windows, it works fine, on linux, it doesn't.
[02:11] <JDahl> bob2, thanks.. I will try that
[02:11] <epod> foursti: if this wasn't a notebook, I'd have a new card.
[02:11] <Despair> sblive has some "mixer" information that isn't supposed to be modified unless you understand what it does. routing controls and whatnot. might do better to use alsamixer rather than gnome's mixer program.
[02:11] <thrift> rublind: run dmesg and look for errors then i guess, I really don't know.  anyone else got any ideas?
[02:11] <foursti> epod, yea well my 9700 pro SE cost me 350+ bak when
[02:12] <foursti> epod, still ~280 now
[02:12] <rublind> thrift: I did dmesg | grep 'error' and I don't think anything there is related to sound.
[02:13] <epod> foursti: I am planning to build a new desktop, I'm thinking Nvidia :)
[02:13] <rublind> thrift: I think my internal speaker is trying to handle the sound, because when someone in another channel (on xchat) says 'rublind' it dings, but other than that, I get no sound
[02:13] <foursti> epod, u better be thinking nvida
[02:13] <thrift> rublind: dmesg | grep -i emu10k1 might be better or dmesg | more.  rublind, pc speaker is handled by a different driver entirely
[02:13] <epod> I want PCI-Express though, but I don't know if Linux supports that yet.
[02:13] <foursti> epod, ati isnt worth the hair pulling pain
[02:13] <rublind> thrift: oh, okay, hold on
[02:14] <HrdwrBoB> if you have an ati card
[02:14] <HrdwrBoB> ... just wait
[02:14] <epod> foursti: gettting fglrx to work in Ubuntu was a snap, actually
[02:14] <HrdwrBoB> there are some good ati drivers coming
[02:14] <foursti> epod, not for me
[02:14] <rublind> thrift: nothing from dmesg | grep -i emu10k1
[02:14] <epod> HrdwrBoB: from where?
[02:14] <HrdwrBoB> epod: magic ;)
[02:14] <foursti> epod, always tells me im using a frekin 9500 generic
[02:14] <epod> foursti: I just followed the BinaryDriverHowto, it was easy
[02:14] <epod> foursti: that sucks :(
[02:14] <foursti> epod, i did to :(
[02:14] <epod> HrdwrBoB: when? :D
[02:14] <foursti> epod, and it gives me preformace WORSE than normal ati linux preformace
[02:15] <foursti> epod, which already BAD..
[02:15] <epod> foursti: that's harsh
[02:15] <caleb_> can synaptic install a local .deb file?
[02:15] <HrdwrBoB> epod: all I know is that some REALLY good people have started working on it
[02:15] <foursti> on what?
[02:15] <epod> HrdwrBoB: Hm cool
[02:16] <HrdwrBoB> on the ATI drivers
[02:16] <foursti> nice
[02:16] <epod> caleb_: just use commandline
[02:16] <foursti> if ATI drivers start wokring, All hands up.
[02:16] <foursti> ill pray to the ubuntu gods
[02:16] <thrift> rublind: I don't know then.  I have a soundblaster live here that worked perfectly, so I'm thinking something has to be wrong hardware wise not too work.  So I'm at my limit of help I can give.  Lathiat got my raid card wprlomg now though, so I want to reboot and make sure it all works on boot up, so good luck
[02:17] <Tyche> anyone use webadmin?
[02:17] <caleb_> epod: whats the command?  im not familiar with debian systems?
[02:17] <epod> I wish I could make Gnome not look like crap on my LCD
[02:17] <epod> bleh.
[02:17] <epod> well, it's not gnome, it's crap like xmms
[02:17] <fissy> dpkg
[02:17] <epod> using ugly assed fonts.  *shudder*
[02:17] <foursti> epod, dont use XMMS
[02:17] <foursti> epod, rythmymbox is pretty awsome now.
[02:17] <epod> foursti: the default media player hates me.
[02:17] <foursti> epod, y?
[02:17] <epod> it never adds folders to my library
[02:17] <foursti> epod, lol
[02:17] <epod> I tell it to, does it, no.  It HATES me
[02:18] <epod> ;)
[02:18] <foursti> epod, did u try reinstalling it?
[02:18] <fissy> same for me epod
[02:18] <fissy> rhythmbox is a continual wonder
[02:18] <foursti> always worked for me
[02:18] <rublind> thrift: okay
[02:18] <epod> foursti: no, it came with Ubuntu, I kinda assumed it ought to work ;)
[02:18] <foursti> bueatifully to
[02:18] <Despair> rhythmbox just crashes if I try to play anything.
[02:18] <foursti> epod, ahha:)
[02:18] <epod> AND it doesn't play mp3.
[02:18] <Despair> So does anything using gstreamer...
[02:18] <foursti> u need the plugin
[02:18] <epod> hm.
[02:18] <foursti> right?
[02:18] <epod> probably
[02:18] <fissy> epod, you have to install the gstreamer-mad plugin
[02:18] <foursti> good
[02:18] <foursti> yea
[02:18] <epod> oh, ok.
[02:18] <foursti> thats ez to do.
[02:19] <foursti> just synaptic
[02:19] <epod> I was getting a bit tired of ogg, my Palm won't play .ogg.
[02:19] <fissy> ubuntu is free, so doesn't have patented rubbish in it ;-)
[02:19] <epod> only .mp3 and .rm.  Stupid realplayer.
[02:19] <foursti> :)
[02:19] <epod> no free .ogg players for PalmOS
[02:19] <foursti> realplayer haha
[02:19] <fissy> though it does have NTFS support in it
[02:19] <epod> foursti: only free media player for Palm
[02:19] <fissy> so its kind of non-free when it feels like it
[02:19] <foursti> i must say that this room has must more lively converstion than most.
[02:19] <foursti> like PHP has ppl sleeping
[02:20] <foursti> :)
[02:20] <epod> fissy: NTFS isn't patented.
[02:20] <fissy> thats not what fedora say
[02:20] <foursti> NTFS isnt that good ither
[02:20] <fissy> even if it isn't, microsoft's implementation is i think
[02:20] <foursti> :P
[02:20] <bob2> microsoft's filesystem code is obviously copyrighted
[02:20] <foursti> yep
[02:20] <bob2> and they keep changing the format slightly
[02:20] <eclipse> ...
[02:21] <epod> there was a big thread on /. about it the other day, basically, redhat got spooked by something and assumed it was, but it's apparently not actually, yadda yadda.  The pre-win2k stuff at least, I dunno
[02:21] <foursti> they frekin patented quick mouse click for specific behaviors.
[02:21] <foursti> they probably patented filesystem
[02:21] <foursti> lo
[02:21] <bob2> oh, on slashdot? it must be true
[02:21] <caleb_> epod: you should install http://muine.gooeylinux.org/
[02:21] <foursti> yea
[02:21] <foursti> haha
[02:21] <epod> bob2: like on TV ;)
[02:21] <fissy> its clearly not an open spec anyway
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> Pocket Tunes is a compressed audio player for the Palm. It can play Ogg Vorbis and WAV files
[02:22] <epod> HrdwrBoB: not free
[02:22] <epod> HrdwrBoB: I've used the trial, works well, but yeah
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> hm
[02:22] <foursti> wtf? the shares tool quites telling me i type wrong password?
[02:22] <foursti> is it wokring?
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> aeroplayer also plays ogg
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> and is $16
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> sharewar
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> e
[02:22] <epod> hm
[02:22] <epod> never heard of it
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> http://www.aerodrome.us/
[02:23] <foursti> apps->system tools->shares
[02:23] <epod> I ahve this aversion to paying for software, I only own windows since it came with this dumb notebook
[02:23] <eclipse> when i do apt-get update and then dist-upgrade....is that up to date or it's a little behind the daily build hoary ISO file?
[02:24] <JDahl> if I want support for a USB drive mounted as /dev/sdax, do I have to include SCSI device support built into the kernel, or is that only for true SCSI devices?
[02:24] <foursti> anyone used the SHARES tool?
[02:25] <HrdwrBoB> foursti: are you putting in YOUR passworD?
[02:25] <foursti> nop
[02:25] <foursti> lol
[02:25] <bob2> JDahl: do you want to boot it?
[02:25] <foursti> im not an idiot
[02:25] <HrdwrBoB> JDahl: you need SCSI support and SCSI hard drive support
[02:25] <JDahl> bob2, yes.. that's what I am trying to do
[02:25] <bob2> JDahl: then yes
[02:26] <HrdwrBoB> foursti: heh, it's a common occurance
[02:27] <foursti> lol
[02:27] <HrdwrBoB> does normal sudo work with your password?
[02:27] <foursti> yea
[02:27] <HrdwrBoB> or other admin applications?
[02:27] <foursti> yea
[02:28] <HrdwrBoB> hrm
[02:28] <HrdwrBoB> I don't have that in my menu
[02:28] <foursti> gah i cant browse thsi comp from my other desktop that i want to copy the files too
[02:28] <foursti> wtf?
[02:28] <foursti> do i have to enable something?
[02:28] <foursti> i created a share for /
[02:29] <foursti> ? anyone know how to set my computer up so my other desktop can browse it
[02:29] <foursti> (other ubuntu desktop)
[02:30] <HrdwrBoB> foursti: you can use scp to copy files
[02:30] <HrdwrBoB> or you can use nfs
[02:30] <HrdwrBoB> there's no gui config tool for nfs though
[02:30] <eclipse> anybody using hoary right now?
[02:30] <bob2> of cours
[02:30] <bob2> e
[02:30] <foursti> HrdwrBoB, can u guide me through it
[02:31] <foursti> this computer is called
[02:31] <HrdwrBoB> hm.. actually nautilus can use scp through gnome-vfs
[02:31] <pepsi> hrm
[02:31] <foursti> 4sTechnologiesServer
[02:31] <Rene_S> Im married I can't use Hoary
[02:31] <pepsi> heh
[02:31] <foursti> oh wait
[02:31] <HrdwrBoB> foursti: ssh://user:password@computername/
[02:31] <foursti> i think i got it
[02:31] <HrdwrBoB> open that location in nautilus
[02:31] <HrdwrBoB> (control L)
[02:31] <foursti> computer->sys confi->networking->enable windows domain support
[02:32] <pepsi> wait how do you get hoary? you dont have to reinstall do you? just through synaptic right?
[02:32] <HrdwrBoB> eclipse: I'm using hoary
[02:32] <HrdwrBoB> pepsi: yes you can do that
[02:32] <pepsi> hrm
[02:32] <pepsi> what package?
[02:32] <HrdwrBoB> no package
[02:32] <HrdwrBoB> you need to change the repository lines
[02:33] <pepsi> oh
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> I would not recommend it if you are not familiar with linux
[02:33] <pepsi> im familiar enough
[02:33] <nixman> anyone has seen cases where unbuntu would not detect the dvd rom on the pc ? knoppix 3.6 had no problem detecting it.
[02:33] <HrdwrBoB> nixman: where/how is the DVD  installed?
[02:34] <eclipse> HrdwrBoB: so dist-upgrade is as current as daily ISO?
[02:34] <HrdwrBoB> eclipse: same thing
[02:34] <eclipse> cause i just downloaded a new ISO file built today
[02:34] <HrdwrBoB> the ISO is built from the debs that are in the repository
[02:34] <nixman> HrdwrBoB, knoppix reported it as a normal ide drive. in fact the dvd is the only pata drive in there. the rest are sata.
[02:34] <rahulsundaram> does anyone whether lg lsp 345 modem works with ubuntu?
[02:35] <HrdwrBoB> nixman: and it doesn't appear under 'drives' in nautilus
[02:35] <eclipse> ok...so i don't need to reinstall the ISO that i just burned?
[02:35] <nixman> HrdwrBoB, i cant even pass the install ! it claims it cnnot find it and requires a special module !
[02:35] <HrdwrBoB> eclipse: no
[02:35] <foursti> does anyone else feel samba copies files over network faster than normal windows sharing?
[02:36] <HrdwrBoB> foursti: it does for the most part
[02:36] <foursti> haha
[02:36] <rahulsundaram> its faster in almost all benchmarks
[02:36] <foursti> i just copied 600 mb in 40 sec
[02:36] <HrdwrBoB> nixman: ok, so what exactly happens?
[02:36] <foursti> that would take me minutes in XP
[02:36] <eclipse> HrdwrBoB: one more thing when i open Synaptic i get this message about not using the right locale
[02:36] <foursti> lol
[02:36] <eclipse> u get that message also?
[02:36] <HrdwrBoB> eclipse: you can ignore it for now at least
[02:37] <eclipse> HrdwrBoB: so u have the same thing?
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> could be a UTF8 issue
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> don't know, I don't use synaptic :)
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> hangon
[02:37] <rahulsundaram> dont ignore it. file it in bugzilla
[02:37] <nixman> HrdwrBoB, ubuntu asks for loading a driver from a floopy since it cnnaot load the cdrom. This happens right after i select the language and country
[02:37] <eclipse> HrdwrBoB: well can u at least try to open that and see if u have that message?
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> ouch
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> eclipse: just did
[02:37] <stuNNed> bob2, ok screw this, i'm not messing with 'galaxy' rogue repo's, i'll just encode in flac and convert to mp3 if need be
[02:37] <eclipse> so?
[02:38] <Lathiat> bob2: oh god oGALAXYo didnt make that rogue repo did he? :>
[02:38] <nixman> HrdwrBoB, the machine is a server machin from dell . poweredge 750 if i recall.
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> eclipse: what locale are you in?
[02:38] <eclipse> fr
[02:38] <eclipse> what about u?
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> ninkendo: oh, hrm... that's very odd, how many PATA does it have
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> en_AU
[02:38] <rahulsundaram> how is ogalaxyo related to this.
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> it may be a problem with the fr locale
[02:38] <wulfy> evening folks
[02:38] <rahulsundaram> evening
[02:38] <foursti> AHAHAH workked perfectly:) i started out synaptic downloading packaghe 588/589
[02:38] <wulfy> what's the best way to speed up bootup when not connected to wired network
[02:38] <bob2> stuNNed: that's my plan
[02:39] <bob2> stuNNed: well, to ogg
[02:39] <eclipse> HrdwrBoB: u know a way to solve that problem?
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> foursti: :)
[02:39] <foursti> :)
[02:39] <wulfy> my t40 takes forever if I'm not connected to wire
[02:39] <rahulsundaram> turn off unnecessary services of course
[02:39] <foursti> HrdwrBoB, now i start praying that my 9700pro will work
[02:39] <foursti> HrdwrBoB, if not im prolly back to windows:P
[02:39] <wulfy> just stop ethernet from starting at boot and turn it on once it's booted?
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> wulfy: file a bug saying that DHCP should not run if there's no link detected on the wire
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> or that
[02:39] <nixman> HrdwrBoB, any clue what could be happening ?
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> but file a bug also
[02:40] <eclipse> rahulsundaram: how do u turn some of the unnecessary services off?
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> foursti: it will work if you install fgrls
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> foursti: it will work if you install fgrlx
[02:40] <wulfy> the network config seems to be buggy - sometimes it takes a couple times of clicking and starting
[02:40] <wulfy> anyone else notice ?
[02:40] <HrdwrBoB> nixman: there may be two PATA controllers on it and it's plugged into the second one and may be causing trouble
[02:40] <foursti> HrdwrBoB, didint work for me remember? i told me i was using a 9500 generic and gave me the worst preformace
[02:40] <nixman> HrdwrBoB, knoppix ha no issue at all !
[02:41] <foursti> it*
[02:41] <rahulsundaram> eclipse: set it to not start on bootup. check the docs
[02:41] <HrdwrBoB> wulfy: yeah it's being worked on more for haory
[02:41] <eclipse> HrdwrBoB: does ur machine lock up after using for a few hours?
[02:41] <HrdwrBoB> well it hasn't for the last 5 days
[02:42] <HrdwrBoB> I hope it's not about to start :)
[02:42] <eclipse> rahulsundaram, can u tell me how or the command?
[02:42] <HrdwrBoB> how does it 'lock up'
[02:42] <wulfy> HrdwrBob: so how do I disble the network interfaces on boot - and just enable when I need ?
[02:42] <HrdwrBoB> wulfy: you can do it in the network-admin tool
[02:42] <HrdwrBoB> or you can edit /etc/network/interfaces by hand
[02:42] <eclipse> HrdwrBoB: everything is frozen and i can't even use ctrl-alt-f1 to get out
[02:43] <eclipse> the mouse, programs,...everything
[02:43] <HrdwrBoB> eclipse: does the machine still respond to ping/ssh etc?
[02:43] <eclipse> everything is locked up
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> likely that is either a hardware issue, or a video driver issue
[02:44] <eclipse> that's y i was thinking of install the new ISO
[02:44] <thoreauputic> eclipse: do you have another machine you can ssh in with?
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> if it's a video driver issue, the machine may respond to ssh still
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> and that can help troubleshoot
[02:44] <foursti> is there a tool like Macromedia Dreamweaver for linux?
[02:44] <HrdwrBoB> if it's a hardware problem, it's a lot harder
[02:45] <eclipse> HrdwrBoB: so u don't have that problem?
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> foursti: apparently bluefish (iirc) is an ok html editor
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> no
[02:45] <foursti> HrdwrBoB, but that isnt actually designing
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> I haven't heard of anyone else encountering it either
[02:45] <nomasteryoda> foursti, nVu works
[02:45] <foursti> HrdwrBoB, its just an editor
[02:45] <thoreauputic> if so you could ssh in and run top or ps aux  and see what's causing the freeze (probably X )
[02:45] <foursti> nomasteryoda, k ill look into it
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> foursti: there is nvu you can download or mozilla composer
[02:45] <nomasteryoda> foursti: and it is wysiwyg
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> check it out anyway
[02:46] <eclipse> HrdwrBoB: i also have another problem with hoary...the Desktop window doesn't refresh that often
[02:46] <HrdwrBoB> eclipse: yeah I get that too, it annoys the hell out of me :)
[02:46] <eclipse> HrdwrBoB: hell yeah...i hate that bug
[02:46] <eclipse> i just updated the latest gdm
[02:47] <eclipse> i don't think it's gdm but nautilus
[02:48] <foursti> what do u guys say mozilla composer or nVu
[02:48] <linux_mafia> foursti, you could try nvu, its a wysiwyg html prog
[02:48] <HrdwrBoB> gdm is only the login control
[02:48] <eclipse> HrdwrBoB: do u have ur xorg.conf file with RenderAccel "on"?
[02:48] <HrdwrBoB> eclipse: yes
[02:48] <foursti> doesnt nVu use QT libraries?
[02:48] <foursti> or connected with kde in some way
[02:48] <foursti> i heard
[02:49] <eclipse> me too but i don't get y my machine would lock up after using for a few hours
[02:49] <steveO_laptop> can some one give me a like to the istall howto's
[02:49] <JDahl> eclipse, what machine and distro are you running? My IBM t40p would also freeze completely after a few hours when I used a recent debian/unstable - the CAPSLOCK key wasnt even responding. I think it could be something with powersave or hibernation (even though I didnt compile my own kernel), I never had the problem when I was working, but after I'd been away for awhile, then machine would be dead
[02:49] <Riddell> foursti: no, nvu is XUL (mozilla) based
[02:49] <foursti> icic
[02:50] <linux_mafia> foursti, dont think so, looks like gtk widgets to me
[02:50] <foursti> linux_mafia, alright ill check it out
[02:50] <eclipse> JDahl: well i'm running an Asus board with AMD cpu
[02:51] <eclipse> i'm gonna let this run for a while and see if it freezes...after that reinstall with the latest ISO and see if it helps
[02:53] <foursti> can i install the ati binary drivers in hoary just like warty?
[02:53] <foursti> (the wiki)
[02:53] <adoyretsamon> eclipse, are the temperatures ok?
[02:53] <epod> Ooh
[02:53] <epod> HrdwrBoB: that aeroplayer plays Ogg for free, you have to pay if you want mp3 support for more than 14 days
[02:54] <epod> HrdwrBoB: thanks for the URL :) woo
[02:54] <HrdwrBoB> epod: excellent :)
[02:54] <HrdwrBoB> no problem
[02:55] <eclipse> adoyretsamon: oh my comp runs very cool
[02:56] <adoyretsamon> ok
[02:56] <eclipse> i think this hoary beta has some serious bugs
[02:56] <adoyretsamon> good
[02:56] <adoyretsamon> heh, living on the edge ...
[02:56] <eclipse> ya:)
[02:56] <adoyretsamon> hoary is certainly there
[02:57] <epod> I need a decent windows program to convert mp3 to .ogg.  ack
[02:57] <eclipse> man...this beta hasn't locked up on me yet
[02:57] <eclipse> maybe i just updated gdm
[02:59] <Gamble1> Anyone had any luck installing Nessus on ubuntu?
[02:59] <foursti> SHIT in hoary i did
[02:59] <foursti> sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver
[02:59] <foursti> it tells me i need XFREE86 > 4.3
[02:59] <foursti> should i just force it considering it should work?
[03:00] <eclipse> HrdwrBoB: hey i just did apt-get dist-upgrade and now the desktop refresh issue is gone
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> you can try it
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> eclipse: cool
[03:00] <foursti> HrdwrBoB, how do i tell it not to care again?
[03:00] <foursti> its not force
[03:00] <Gamble1> Will the Compaq W200 Multiport card work on ok in Linux?  I'm scrapping this Dlink piece of shit
[03:00] <eclipse> HrdwrBoB: maybe u should try that to fix ur problem
[03:00] <HrdwrBoB> Gamble1: ? ther'es nothing wrong with the dlink?
[03:01] <foursti> how do i force apt-get not to check dependencides for fglrx-driver?
[03:01] <Gamble1> I can't get it to work
[03:02] <Gamble1> Its the DLink with the TI chipset
[03:02] <LinuxJones> Gamble1, can you use ndiswrapper ?
[03:02] <Gamble1> I've heard NDISwrapper is a cludge
[03:02] <foursti> anyone?
[03:02] <HrdwrBoB> kludge
[03:02] <epod> ndiswrapper works fine for my broadcom wifi chipset
[03:02] <Gamble1> err yea
[03:03] <foursti> whats to option to continue installing even if theres an unmet dependency
[03:03] <HrdwrBoB> I use ndiswrapper also, works fine
[03:03] <epod> I just need a bloody decent cdwriting app for Linux, k3b doesn't work so well with ubuntu.
[03:03] <bur[n] er_> epod: sudo k3b
[03:03] <bur[n] er_> it's the 2.8.1 kernel
[03:03] <HrdwrBoB> epod: yeah people are working on 'coaster' for haory
[03:03] <epod> bur[n] er: still looks like crap.
[03:03] <epod> HrdwrBoB: it'd be nice if they get it
[03:04] <bur[n] er_> epod: eroaster, gnomebaker, coaster?
[03:04] <eclipse> HrdwrBoB: u know how to disable some of the startup processes?
[03:04] <epod> bur[n] er: I basically want a Nero replacement for gnome :)
[03:04] <HrdwrBoB> eclipse: what do you want to disable
[03:05] <bur[n] er_> epod: check out gnome baker
[03:05] <bur[n] er_> it's beta now
[03:05] <epod> bur[n] er: does it actually work? Hm url?
[03:05] <bur[n] er_> epod: gnomefiles.org
[03:05] <foursti> guys how i do tell apt to continue even if theres an unmet dependency?
[03:06] <eclipse> HrdwrBoB: evolution
[03:06] <Gamble1> 1st step of NDISwrapper install says...  As root run make install
[03:06] <Gamble1> ?
[03:06] <epod> Gamble1: apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[03:06] <Gamble1> ahh ok
[03:06] <LinuxJones> Gamble1, it's probably installed by default
[03:07] <Gamble1> do I need to modify my apt-get repositories?
[03:07] <Gamble1> it didn't find it
[03:08] <HrdwrBoB> eclipse: evolution does not start on boot
[03:08] <eclipse> did u know that to execute firefox u need to use sh?
[03:08] <HrdwrBoB> Gamble1: you will need restricted
[03:09] <bob2> foursti: you don't
[03:09] <eclipse> well, it's called something like evolution-alert or something
[03:09] <bob2> foursti: you fix the dependency problem
[03:09] <foursti> bob2, so im supposed to go back and install XFREE?
[03:09] <LinuxJones> Gamble1, apt-get update then try again
[03:09] <foursti> bob2, then what with XORG?
[03:09] <bob2> foursti: I have no idea what you've dont your system
[03:09] <foursti> bob2, remmebr? i upgraded to hoary
[03:09] <bob2> foursti: you should never have unment dependencies in the supported  parts of ubuntu
[03:09] <foursti> bob2, hoary
[03:10] <bob2> lordy
[03:10] <bob2> if fglrx Depends on xserver-xfree86, you can't install it
[03:10] <eclipse> ...
[03:10] <foursti> ye
[03:11] <foursti> yea
[03:11] <foursti> sick.
[03:12] <eclipse> i think gnome uses less resources than kde
[03:12] <bob2> I think puppies are ugly
[03:12] <Scognito> hi all
[03:12] <Scognito> what means unleashead relating to xorg
[03:13] <bob2> it means it's been put into the hoary archive
[03:13] <epod> hoary is gonna break all ati users, since fglrx won't install on xorg, I think
[03:13] <bob2> no it won't
[03:13] <foursti> :(
[03:13] <foursti> im die
[03:13] <foursti> just d i  e
[03:13] <bob2> I'm an ati user and I don't use stupid binary drivers
[03:13] <bob2> foursti: why is it that big a deal?
[03:13] <farruinn> Hi, I came in last night asking about installing ubuntu on oldworld mac.  I was able to boot and run the installation fine.  My problem is that the ubuntu installed messed with my OF settings so that now it opens to OF on boot.  How do I change this?
[03:13] <foursti> dunno i just hate it when my hardware is shit becaseu of the softwarre
[03:13] <bob2> it's not shit
[03:14] <foursti> well it becomes shit:)
[03:14] <bob2> it works great, except for hardware acceleration for 3d
[03:14] <foursti> yea..
[03:14] <Scognito> so xorg is part of hoary now?
[03:14] <foursti> yea
[03:14] <foursti> Scognito, yes
[03:14] <HrdwrBoB> epod: when hoary comes out, ati drivers should be better
[03:14] <bob2> Scognito: yes
[03:14] <Scognito> coool
[03:14] <foursti> HrdwrBoB, better be better :P
[03:14] <farruinn> The mac also isn't recognizing the harddrive that I installed ubuntu on.  I have an OS X partition on there, but I can't boot to it.
[03:14] <Scognito> does exists some iso of hoary?
[03:14] <foursti> Scognito, you have to update to it
[03:15] <foursti> im going to try to actually compile the fglrx driver from scratch now.
[03:15] <bob2> Scognito: yes, but they're very alpha
[03:15] <|QuaD|> hey, i got a question for php developers.... what is a good ide? i haven't found one that i have found was decnet
[03:15] <Scognito> ah ok
[03:15] <epod> bob2: see, I like hardware acceleration 3d for games and such
[03:15] <HrdwrBoB> |QuaD|: I use vim :)
[03:15] <foursti> QuaD for windows use DEV-PHP / linux vim / gedit:)
[03:15] <|QuaD|> thats what i have been using
[03:15] <bob2> epod: that's cool, but it doesn't "break all ati users"
[03:15] <Scognito> i'll copy all my data to another partion, then upgrade to hoary :D
[03:15] <|QuaD|> hehe... i was looking for a nice gui ide :)
[03:15] <foursti> bob2, lol well he users with the good cards :)
[03:16] <bob2> foursti: no, only users wanting to use binary-only drivers
[03:16] <foursti> fine.
[03:16] <bob2> I don't know if it's a big contingent or not, but it's absolutely not "everyone"
[03:16] <Scognito> will i have problem? i'm using nvidia drivers
[03:16] <foursti> nop
[03:16] <foursti> nvidia works perfectly
[03:16] <Scognito> ok tnx
[03:17] <epod> bob2: well, most people with an ATI card usually got it for gaming.  Usually.
[03:17] <foursti> epod, exactlyt
[03:17] <bob2> epod: most != all
[03:17] <foursti> lol
[03:17] <bob2> everyone I know with ati cards under linux use the free drivers
[03:17] <foursti> bob2, i want to play w3x and ill be happy
[03:17] <bob2> but regardless, it should be fixed before hoary
[03:18] <jdub> epod: that's a very broad generalisation -> i'm sure a pretty big proportion of people with ATI cards don't even know the brand.
[03:18] <foursti> jdub, not that big of a proportion
[03:18] <foursti> jdub, brands are important for most of the public *LOL*
[03:19] <jdub> foursti: not in computing. "most of the public" will have about as much knowledge of their hardware as this: "i'm dave, i have a brand new windows laptop."
[03:20] <jdub> "when it breaks, i call dell."
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> it's an acer
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> *points to acer label*
[03:20] <Despair> HrdwrBoB: I've run into plenty who would claim it's an energystar (or some other random compliance sticker :)
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[03:20] <Phr0stByte> lol
[03:21] <jdub> i don't know what brand of dishwasher i have, and i don't expect people who aren't interested in computing to know the name of the company that made the fiftieth boring black chip in their new computer. :-)
[03:22] <jdub> also, my dishwasher is clearly labelled.
[03:22] <jdub> but i still don't care.
[03:22] <foursti> haha
[03:22] <thoreauputic> Despair: "My computer broke its interweb!"
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> now that you mention it I don't know my dishwasher brand offhand :)
[03:22] <pepsi> whats a dishwasher? :P
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> that said - I have a friend who crashed his dishwasher
[03:22] <pepsi> use your hands
[03:22] <jdub> for the record, it's a "chef classic"
[03:22] <pepsi> :P
[03:22] <bob2> HrdwrBoB: overclocking it?
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> bob2: haha no, I believe he was.. rtrying to wash dishes with it?
[03:23] <jdub> pepsi: i have better things to do. like remembering the names of every microprocessor vendor represented in all the pieces of computing technology in my house.
[03:24] <Despair> jdub: So what cpu is in your dishwasher? ;)
[03:24] <jdub> dude, i don't even know what's written on the front :-)
[03:24] <Phr0stByte> I think that may be next. You can already load Linux on game consoles - I'm looking forward to an Ubuntu dishwasher...
[03:25] <Lathiat> jdub: heh you should put a ubuntu sticker on your dishwasher :)
[03:25] <Lathiat> xf_: ping
[03:26] <epod> mm...ogg-y goodness for my Palm.
[03:26] <Lathiat> heh
[03:27] <epod> bob2: what is the ati driver ubuntu uses my default, and does it do 3d well enough for tuxracer?
[03:27] <epod> s/my/by
[03:27] <bob2> epod: the Free one, and let me see
[03:27] <Despair> epod: it should be enough for tuxracer on most chips.
[03:27] <Despair> (wont work on newer, and will work poorly on some slower old ones)
[03:28] <epod> I have a radeon mobility 9600
[03:29] <thoreauputic> Phr0stByte: file a bug report !
[03:29] <Phr0stByte> heh
[03:30] <Phr0stByte> thereapudic: I will just try a net install next time...
[03:30] <bob2> runs ok
[03:30] <bob2> not sure how to crank up the res, tho
[03:30] <epod> bob2: hm cool
[03:30] <epod> fglrx makes tuxracer have all sorts of nasty artifacting
[03:30] <epod> :(
[03:31] <epod> HrdwrBoB: sweet, I am playing .ogg on my palm now.  Thanks! :D
[03:31] <Despair> epod: R300 chips (ie, 9500+) wont work, yet.
[03:31] <epod> Despair: ah, that'd be me.
[03:31] <epod> So I am stuck with fglrx for 3D.
[03:31] <Lathiat> heh
[03:31] <HrdwrBoB> epod: excellent :)
[03:31] <HrdwrBoB> an end to the patent encumbered formats!
[03:32] <Despair> There's some people who have started hacking at reverse engineering R300 support. It'll be a while before anything comes of that, though.
[03:32] <epod> ah well.
[03:33] <epod> maybe ATI will actually release some decent drivers, or I'll sell this notebook and build a desktop.. heh
[03:35] <nitin> hey guys its foursti im compiling the fglrx driver
[03:35] <nitin> im getting errors
[03:35] <epod> um
[03:35] <nitin> anyone wanna work with me to get it?
[03:35] <epod> why are you compiling it?
[03:35] <nitin> just so
[03:35] <epod> apt-get install fglrx-driver
[03:35] <nitin> .
[03:36] <nitin> cant
[03:36] <nitin> dependency on
[03:36] <nitin> XFREE
[03:36] <epod> oh
[03:36] <nitin> and im using XORG
[03:36] <epod> lol
[03:36] <nitin> anywayt
[03:36] <epod> hoary
[03:38] <mdz> I believe fglrx still depends on xfree86 because it doesn't work with xorg
[03:38] <nitin> no it should work
[03:38] <nitin> its XFREE and XORG
[03:38] <nitin> are pretty close
[03:39] <b_e_n_z> nitin, fglrx works with xorg 6.7 but not xorg 6.8
[03:39] <ryan> is there a key for stopping the gnome panels from snapping to the edge
[03:39] <ryan> i was resizing a new panel and now its stuck flickering between about 10pixels away and the edge
[03:39] <ryan> taking up all my cpu
[03:40] <Lathiat> lol
[03:40] <Lathiat> killall gnome-panel
[03:40] <ryan> and killing it and restarting the panel doesn't help :/
[03:40] <Lathiat> see if that helps
[03:40] <Lathiat> oh
[03:40] <Lathiat> damn
[03:40] <ryan> i dunno where abouts the second panel is saved otherwise i'd just delete the config
[03:40] <Lathiat> in gconf probably
[03:40] <Lathiat> might be able to dig around with gconf-editor
[03:43] <epod> I wonder how I encode xvid's into theora
[03:43] <epod> hm.
[03:44] <epod> eh.. probably lose all kinds of quality transcoding.
[03:46] <nitin> guys im trying to follow this: where si the system header tryy and where would i simlink to it.
[03:46] <nitin> After getting a full kernel-source-2.6.8, I sym-linked the
[03:46] <nitin> drivers/char/drm/*.h files into the kernel-headers tree, and the build
[03:46] <nitin> worked (though I'm yet to verify that the generated modules work).
[03:46] <nitin> where is the kernel-headers tree
[03:48] <nitin> ? where are the kernel-headers
[03:48] <bob2> dpkg -L packagename
[03:48] <crack> hello
[03:49] <nitin> ahh
[03:49] <nitin> ty
[03:49] <crack> can someone help me?
[03:49] <crack> im sure it will be quick and easy
[03:49] <epod> crack: with what?
[03:49] <crack> i want to install xmms
[03:49] <crack> i have the tar file
[03:50] <bob2> xmms is in universe
[03:50] <epod> crack: apt-get install xmms
[03:50] <crack> and i typed tar xzvf blah blah
[03:50] <bob2> just install it from there
[03:50] <mdz> nitin: if you're trying to build a kernel module, this is answered in the FAQ
[03:50] <epod> from console
[03:50] <nitin> ty
[03:50] <crack> oh
[03:50] <crack> kk let me try
[03:50] <epod> crack: make sure universe is in your apt sources
[03:50] <crack> how do i change that?
[03:51] <crack> i did what you said
[03:51] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[03:51] <crack> it says has no installation candidate
[03:51] <bob2> yes, read that wiki page
[03:51] <crack> ok
[03:51] <crack> im new to linux
[03:51] <crack> and ubuntu is my second install
[03:51] <crack> i tried mandrake and didnt like it
[03:52] <crack> ok so check that wiki out?
[03:53] <epod> Is coaster in the warty deb archives? can someone check synpatic and let me know?
[03:54] <jdub> epod: no.
[03:55] <epod> well that's monkey poo.
[03:55] <epod> so I am stuck with.. xcdroast. whee.
[03:55] <crack> ok
[03:55] <crack> i dont know how to change it to universe
[03:55] <crack> im reading it
[03:55] <crack> and it says a generic one
[03:55] <crack> but
[03:55] <epod> run synaptic, add the universe repository
[03:55] <crack> i know i want universe
[03:55] <crack> ok
[03:56] <crack> do u mean universe.com
[03:56] <epod> no...
[03:56] <Agrajag> uh'
[03:56] <Agrajag> open synaptic
[03:57] <crack> im there
[03:57] <Lathiat> epod: everything coaster does, nautilus does (atm)
[03:57] <crack> i am ready for the url
[03:57] <Lathiat> i think
[03:57] <Agrajag> there is no url
[03:57] <Agrajag> open synaptic
[03:57] <crack> k
[03:57] <Agrajag> go to settings>repositories
[03:57] <crack> yea
[03:57] <crack> im there
[03:57] <epod> Lathiat: ahh ok.  I need DVD burning software for movies, and audio-cd creation.. and I *don't* want to use k3b. :/ Is that too tall an order at the moment?
[03:57] <Lathiat> epod: ahh, coaster doesnt do that yet
[03:58] <crack> port nero agrajag
[03:58] <Lathiat> only does data cds so far
[03:58] <crack> using the cvs tree from cedega
[03:58] <Agrajag> you should see allisting that says "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/"
[03:58] <Agrajag> with "main restricted" under "Section(s)"
[03:59] <crack> i got it epod
[03:59] <crack> i see
[03:59] <epod> Lathiat: yeah, I burned a data DVD the other day, tried to just dump the AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS dirs from a DVD to another DVD.. didn't work so well ;)
[03:59] <Agrajag> change Section in that and the deb-src repo to "main restricted universe"
[03:59] <Lathiat> epod: umm theres tools to do it
[03:59] <Lathiat> epod: (command line ones)
[03:59] <epod> Lathiat: probably, yeah
[03:59] <epod> but I didn't go look
[03:59] <crack> epod
[03:59] <Lathiat> dvd+w-tools
[04:00] <crack> do i need to restart x?
[04:00] <Lathiat> +re rather
[04:00] <Lathiat> +rw :P
[04:00] <Lathiat> heh
[04:00] <Lathiat> dunno if it does tools
[04:00] <crack> epod, do i need to restart x for it to work?
[04:00] <thoreauputic> crack: once you've changed it , use reload in synaptic
[04:00] <crack> reload?
[04:00] <crack> ok
[04:00] <crack> lemme check
[04:01] <scopecrp> evenin all
[04:01] <epod> Ok, my current major Ubuntu issue is, due to my soundcardc being a POS, it works in ALSA, but the main volume thinks it is the headphone volume.  So fine, I set the audio control on the panel to control my headphone volume.  But if I set my audio keys on the front of my notebook to raise/lower volume in the gnome config, it tries to do it to the master volume control, which has no effect due to ALSA weirdness.  Is there some way to reassign
[04:01] <crack> i love you guys
[04:01] <crack> already
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> epod: unfortunately not
[04:02] <derek> hey... can anyonehelp me with my nvidia config file. it is at www.slovin.us/~derek/config and the errors i am getting are at www.slovin.us/~derek/log
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> epod: I would file a bug against alsa
[04:02] <Despair> is ubuntu still on 1.05 of alsa?
[04:02] <crack> ok i reloaded it in synaptic, however it is still giving me a bad candidate file
[04:02] <Despair> epod: you might try a more recent alsa, there's been a lot of bugfixes since 1.0.5
[04:03] <epod> hm that sucks.  Yeah.  It's a specific issue with my notebook model (M675XL) and the only reason audio works (well, doesn't only come out the headphone jack) is that some guy sent ALSA a patch reassigning Headphone out to the internal speakers AND the headphone jack, so they both go at one.. It's a sigmatel card that can reassign output on the fly in software.. it's weird.
[04:03] <thoreauputic> crack: umm - did you wait for the update to finish? (reload)
[04:03] <crack> yea
[04:03] <crack> it finished
[04:03] <epod> Despair: How do I upgrade my ALSA in Ubunti
[04:03] <epod> *Ubuntu.
[04:03] <derek> can anyone help me?
[04:04] <Despair> other thing you can do is remap controls using .asoundrc, but you'd have to google for info on doing that, I've never messed with that.
[04:04] <epod> hm
[04:04] <epod> ok
[04:04] <epod> it
[04:04] <JDahl> derek, just some friendly advide (and IRC etiquette): if you want someone to help you - make it easy for them and dont expect to do detective work to figure out your problem - they won't, they will ignore you
[04:04] <epod> It's nothing major, just a minor annoyance
[04:04] <epod> I'd like all my dumb media keys to work :)
[04:04] <JDahl> s/dont expect/dont expect them/
[04:04] <derek> JDahl: i already tried to figure out my problem..... i have no idea what it is
[04:05] <Despair> epod: other thing you can look at is what the media keys are being set to do, and remap it there.
[04:05] <Despair> epod: and filing a bug report against alsa in ubuntu is a good idea, as HrdwrBoB said. :)
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> Despair: don't ask to ask, ask
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> er
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> derek
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> ok
[04:05] <HrdwrBoB> aha
[04:05] <Despair> HrdwrBoB: he did, it's lost in scrollback
[04:05] <Agrajag> derek: you haven't even told us what the problem is
[04:05] <JDahl> derek: I know.. I am just saying few people will take the time to go your homepage and download stuff - you need to ask simple, organized questions in here instead
[04:05] <epod> Despair: well, I set them to control the volume in gnome's config, which works, except instead of being normal and having the master volume control control any volume, the headphone mixer does it instead ;)
[04:05] <crack> ok now i can find the packages
[04:05] <crack> in synaptic
[04:06] <HrdwrBoB> derek: what is the actual problem
[04:06] <Agrajag> There's nothing in that log that says anything failed, that I can see
[04:06] <crack> however, i dont know which to install
 hey... can anyonehelp me with my nvidia config file. it is at www.slovin.us/~derek/config and the errors i am getting are at www.slovin.us/~derek/log
[04:06] <crack> the shell?
[04:06] <derek> it only shows 1 monitor
[04:06] <derek> not both
[04:06] <Agrajag> derek: I suggest you look into setting up Twinview.
[04:06] <KeithWeisshar> is ubuntu in africa
[04:06] <HrdwrBoB> derek: it's because you need Screen 0
[04:06] <KeithWeisshar> is ubuntu an african linux distro
[04:06] <HrdwrBoB> and Screen 1
[04:06] <derek> Agrajag: i don't want twinview... i want to desktops... i have done it fine in the past with debian
[04:06] <HrdwrBoB> in your Device sections
[04:06] <HrdwrBoB> KeithWeisshar: yes and no
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> KeithWeisshar: african word, just 'a' linux distro
[04:07] <Agrajag> KeithWeisshar: the company that makes ubuntu is based in south africa, I believe.
[04:07] <derek> HrdwrBoB: i have a screen0 and screen 1
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> derek: no
[04:07] <crack> hey thoreauputic, i want to chat 1 on 1 can you do that?
[04:07] <derek> look at the identifiers
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> in your two Device sections
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> you need a command
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> Screen 0
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> and Screen 1
[04:07] <KeithWeisshar> why did ubuntu come out, it's just based on debian
[04:07] <epod> Canonical is in the UK, isn't it?
[04:07] <Agrajag> KeithWeisshar: have you used it?
[04:07] <HrdwrBoB> KeithWeisshar: because debian doesn't Just Work
[04:07] <psyklops> derek: seen this? ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-6629/README.txt
[04:08] <derek> HrdwrBoB: a command? let me look into that
[04:08] <HrdwrBoB> KeithWeisshar: if you want to start a flame war, please go away and talk to yourself
[04:08] <Agrajag> epod: I thought Mark Shuttleworth (that's his name right?) was from South Africa
[04:08] <HrdwrBoB> derek: hangon
[04:08] <derek> psyklops: yup... thats where i originally got this from
[04:08] <HrdwrBoB> Agrajag: yes
[04:08] <Agrajag> maybe the business is based in the UK though
[04:08] <psyklops> (I just came in, derek)
[04:08] <HrdwrBoB> but canonical is based in the isle of man
[04:08] <epod> Agrajag: he is, but afaik Canonical is a UK co.
[04:08] <Agrajag> ok
[04:08] <nitin> hey guys i downgraded to XFREE server
[04:08] <nitin> and installed fglrx-drver
[04:08] <nitin> but now when i do glxinfo it says:
[04:09] <nitin> glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:09] <nitin> whats wrong?
[04:09] <psyklops> derek: I guess you don't remember how you set it up to have split desktops?
[04:09] <nitin> ?
[04:09] <psyklops> derek: I did it once also, don't remember how, but I know all the info you need is in the readme
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> derek: http://kaos.vicnet.net.au/derek.config
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> like that
[04:10] <derek> psyklops: everytime i go to a new distro (except suse) i have trouple
[04:10] <blue_owl> doesn anyone else get the black X in the middle of the screen once you log in to GNOME? it disappears once you move a window.
[04:10] <derek> HrdwrBoB: lemme look... thanks :)
[04:11] <blue_owl> i'm using a thinkpad t20, btw.
[04:11] <blue_owl> t21
[04:11] <nitin> anyone know why i get this error in glxinfo / glxgears  error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:11] <epod> Sweet.  Got my shiny new CD in ogg on my palm, and it plays with a free player, and now I feel all spiffy.  *preens*
[04:11] <Lathiat> jdub: does the Bugs: mailto line go in debian/control?
[04:11] <epod> not that it is in any way Ubuntu-related ;)
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> nitin: libGL.so should be in the fgrlx pacjage
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> package
[04:12] <epod> HrdwrBoB: I ran into a similar issue in FreeBSD with the nvidia drivers.  I had to put them all back manually.  It was dumb
[04:12] <nitin> how would i correct thsi then..
[04:12] <epod> er nitin
[04:12] <nitin> how do u put them back manually
[04:12] <nitin> i mean
[04:12] <nitin> where are they
[04:12] <nitin> lol
[04:13] <derek> HrdwrBoB: it hates that... doesn't even load 1 monitor... crashes
[04:14] <nitin> epod, how would i replace the modules manualy
[04:15] <epod> I wish there was a way I could make totem dock in my panel and have a small video window like WMP does in the windows taskbar.  Having a small video panel is nice, I can watch music videos or tv shows while I irc.
[04:15] <HrdwrBoB> derek: check the logs
[04:15] <HrdwrBoB> have look
[04:15] <HrdwrBoB> epod: I imagine that sort of thing will come eventually
[04:15] <HrdwrBoB> unfortunately not yet :(
[04:15] <epod> nitin: I had to re-install the Xfree-libs port after installing the nvidia driver, ymmv, it was a different OS, different card
[04:16] <epod> HrdwrBoB: *nods* yeah, that's part of life I suppose thought :)
[04:16] <derek> HrdwrBoB: Caught Signal 4. Server aborting
[04:16] <trans_err> I just grabbed a new FX5700 card and whenever I run the nvidia driver- the display locks after about 10 - 15 seconds
[04:16] <trans_err> the nv driver works fine
[04:16] <epod> trans_err: are you using nvidia's gart, or linux's?
[04:17] <trans_err> epod, how can I tell? specifiy?
[04:17] <epod> trans_err: and did you follow the BinaryDriverHowto to install the nvidia driver?
[04:17] <trans_err> epod, I've had a nvidia geforce 2 before- everything should be installed correctly
[04:18] <nitin> is the Xfree-Libs package in universe?i cant find it
[04:18] <epod> nitin: um, I just said what I did.  That in no ways means it will even work in Linux.
[04:19] <derek> lunchbob: i just got it working... care to have a copy of my config?
[04:19] <nitin> what?
[04:19] <nitin> glxgears?
[04:19] <epod> nitin: I had that issue in FreeBSD.  Not linux.
[04:19] <nitin> oh
[04:19] <nitin> k
[04:19] <epod> trans_err: reinstall them using these directions http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:20] <derek>  /join #gnome
[04:20] <derek> blag
[04:25] <trans_err> epod, I already have
[04:26] <epod> oh
[04:26] <epod> hm.  sorry then.  I've got a craptaculat ATI.
[04:26] <epod> *craptacular
[04:27] <nitin> yup guys got it working
[04:27] <nitin> but
[04:27] <nitin> output says 9500 GENERIC
[04:27] <nitin> ~3000 fps glxinfo.
[04:28] <crack> hey guys
[04:28] <George^Deka> hi all, i am trying to compile and it cant find gtk+, how do i fix this
[04:28] <crack> therapeutic is awesome
[04:28] <crack> great person
[04:28] <crack> but
[04:28] <Hikaru79> George^Deka, use Synaptic
[04:28] <Agrajag> install the -dev package for it
[04:28] <crack> got one more question about an error
[04:28] <Hikaru79> And get the -dev headers
[04:29] <Agrajag> apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev libgtk2.0-dev
[04:31] <crack> xmms question
[04:31] <crack> what is this?
[04:31] <crack>  xmms
[04:31] <crack> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:32] <George^Deka> thanks
[04:32] <bob2> crack: something you can ignore
[04:33] <crack> ok
[04:34] <crack> if i can ever get cedega to work with steam in this, i will never go back
[04:35] <lifeless> crack: works for me with i386 ubuntu.
[04:35] <crack> im gonna get there lifeless
[04:35] <epod> just play frozenbubble
[04:35] <epod> :)
[04:35] <crack> im learning very quickly
[04:35] <crack> with the great help of the peeps herer
[04:35] <crack> lovin it
[04:35] <gen> did you just say peeps?
[04:35] <crack> xmms rockin some new eminem
[04:37] <crack> im diggin it
[04:37] <epod> he said peeps :/
[04:37] <crack> just got gkrellm to install
[04:37] <gen> yea, because it's so difficult
[04:37] <crack> it is for a newb
[04:38] <steveO_laptop> heh
[04:43] <Majestic|Linux> I can't do no apt-get install limewire, or amule, but i did do apt-get update
[04:43] <jdz`> Majestic|Linux: You may need to enable Universe
[04:44] <Majestic|Linux> I did
[04:44] <Majestic|Linux> I had MUltiverse
[04:44] <Majestic|Linux> and before I had universe
[04:44] <|QuaD|> when i try to use a "mysql_connect()" it gives me an error that it can not find the function... how do i enable mysql?
[04:44] <_scp> is there an equivalent of packages.debian.org for ubuntu yet?
[04:44] <Majestic|Linux> have* multiverse
[04:44] <jdz`> Hm :(  good luck.
[04:45] <Majestic|Linux> :-\
[04:49] <|QuaD|> how do i ensure that mysql commands are installed? i apt-get'ed php4-mysql though its still isn't working
[04:49] <crack> this is great
[04:49] <crack> installing kde as we speak on ubuntu
[04:49] <bob2> |QuaD|: commands?
[04:49] <|QuaD|> "Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in"
[04:49] <|QuaD|> thats what i get
[04:49] <bob2> this is from apache, right?
[04:50] <|QuaD|> yeah
[04:50] <bob2> edit /etc/php4/apache/php.ini
[04:50] <bob2> add the right extensions= line at the bottom
[04:50] <centurion> how about openbox in ubuntu
[04:50] <|QuaD|> "extension=mysql.so"
[04:51] <bob2> |QuaD|: it's there?
[04:51] <|QuaD|> its already there done automaticall
[04:51] <bob2> |QuaD|: or are you using the cgi version?
[04:51] <|QuaD|> what do you mean?
[04:51] <bob2> centurion: it's in universe
[04:51] <|QuaD|> i did it in my apache2 folder
[04:52] <|QuaD|> wait... it is in both apache2 and apache
[04:52] <centurion> any one latex/tex users?
[04:52] <|QuaD|> should i restart apache?
[04:52] <crack> latex?
[04:52] <zenwhen> guys
[04:52] <|QuaD|> just restarted it... works :) thanks bob2
[04:52] <zenwhen> My slackware /home partition just got wiped. Its now my Ubuntu /home partition.
[04:53] <zenwhen> You're stuck with me now.
[04:53] <zenwhen> XD
[04:53] <centurion> latex? - typesetting knuth etc. blah blah
[04:53] <crack> yea
[04:53] <crack> i see now
[04:53] <crack> no
[04:53] <crack> i dont use it
[04:55] <desp> hello
[04:56] <crack> hey anyone know where i can get some kewl wallpaper?
[04:56] <foursti> well in the end guys i spent another ~5 hrs installing ubuntu then trying to get my 9700 pro with 3dr to work.
[04:56] <foursti> doesnt.
[04:56] <foursti> back to xp.
[04:56] <crack> i got a 9500 pro
[04:56] <crack> whats wrong?
[04:57] <foursti> x300 chipsets dont work yet
[04:57] <foursti> properly
[04:57] <crack> for gaming?
[04:57] <desp> any ideas how to set up an NFS share under Ubuntu?
[04:57] <foursti> for any 3D
[04:57] <foursti> desp, are u using warty or hoary?
[04:57] <desp> warty
[04:57] <foursti> not too sure
[04:57] <desp> jeez
[04:58] <desp> how about any way to share files apart from using scp?
[04:58] <jdub> desp: apt-get install nfs-kernel-server
[04:58] <jdub> desp: your other option is to use sftp locations in nautilus
[04:59] <FTTP> hi
[04:59] <desp> jdub: and how will I setup the nfs server? /etc/exports?
[04:59] <jdub> yes
[05:00] <desp> ok, thanks
[05:01] <zenwhen> Kamion, if you are around at some point, let me know.
[05:02] <wasabi> anybody done ANY production work with NFSv4 in the linux kernel?>
[05:02] <crack> anyone know how to make ubuntu to where i can see my ntfs drives?
[05:02] <wasabi> is it even usable at this point?
[05:02] <crack> want to get to all of my music
[05:02] <crack> and its an ntfs drive
[05:03] <wasabi> crack, you can add it to the fstab file and mount it.
[05:03] <wasabi> Read only though.
[05:03] <magik> whenever i try to use apt-get, it gives an error saying something about "ttf-opensymbol" - how can i fix this?
[05:03] <crack> how do i do that in x?
[05:03] <Agrajag> huh
[05:03] <wasabi> crack, pop open a console, and edit /etc/fstab as root.
[05:03] <Agrajag> X has nothing to do with it
[05:03] <Agrajag> yeah
[05:03] <wasabi> crack, and type "man fstab" to read about the file. It's fairly simple.
[05:04] <jdz`> crack: try just `mount'ing it first. :)
[05:04] <Agrajag> type is ntfs, options you should use are ro,users
[05:04] <Agrajag> or maybe users, i forget
[05:04] <Agrajag> er
[05:04] <Agrajag> user
[05:04] <wasabi> only use 'user' if you want to
[05:04] <George^Deka> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[05:04] <Agrajag> I have it set up on my desktop but that burned out its cpu
[05:04] <crack> it wont let me edit it
[05:04] <Agrajag> crack: you have to be root
[05:04] <wasabi> crack, as root.
[05:04] <jdz`> use sudo :)
[05:04] <Agrajag> sudo <editor> /etc/fstab
[05:05] <crack> root@pcp0010429741pcs:/home/crack # edit /etc/fstab
[05:05] <crack> Warning: unknown mime-type for "/etc/fstab" -- using "application/*"
[05:05] <crack> Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/*"
[05:05] <crack> root@pcp0010429741pcs:/home/crack # /etc/fstab
[05:05] <crack> bash: /etc/fstab: Permission denied
[05:05] <Agrajag> uh
[05:05] <Agrajag> it's not an executable
[05:05] <George^Deka> crack, read the howto i posted - but you need to sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[05:05] <jdz`> before you add it to fstab though, simply try and mount it.
[05:05] <crack> ah
[05:05] <crack> sud
[05:05] <crack> ok
[05:05] <crack> i got it
[05:05] <jdz`> good luck!
[05:05] <magik> whenever i try to use apt-get, it gives an error saying something about "ttf-opensymbol" - how can i fix this?
[05:05] <Agrajag> and don't use "edit", use gedit, or vim or emacs
[05:06] <desp> Agrajag: yeah, right
[05:06] <jdub> magik: we can't help you if you can't tell us the error :)
[05:06] <desp> ;)
[05:06] <George^Deka> magik: what is the exact error
[05:07] <magik> it just says "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
[05:07] <wasabi> it says much moer than that.
[05:07] <wasabi> usually involving a reason.
[05:07] <magik> oh.. segmentation fault
[05:07] <wasabi> ewww.
[05:07] <magik> :(
[05:08] <crack> im in
[05:08] <Agrajag> have you run a memory test?
[05:08] <magik> no
[05:08] <Agrajag> might give that a shot
[05:08] <wasabi> i doubt it's memory.
[05:08] <crack> ok how do i ad it?
[05:08] <Agrajag> it shouldn't be segfaulting
[05:08] <wasabi> magik, can you message me the entire message?
[05:08] <Agrajag> crack: you see the format of the file?
[05:08] <magik> sure, hold on a sec
[05:09] <George^Deka> crackL read https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[05:09] <Agrajag> it's the partition device, followed by fs type, options, mount order, and the dump bit
[05:09] <Agrajag> er, dump bit, then pass, sorry
[05:09] <crack> ok
[05:09] <crack> hang on
[05:09] <crack> george... i will brb
[05:10] <bob2> wasabi: why do you doubt it's memory?
[05:10] <wasabi> bob2, because it would be more random.
[05:10] <_scp> is there an equivalent of packages.debian.org for ubuntu yet?
[05:10] <bob2> wasabi: you're basing that on one report by him?
[05:10] <bob2> _scp: no
[05:10] <bob2>  /her
[05:10] <wasabi> bob2, no, im asking for the entire message.
[05:11] <Agrajag> so you need to tell it what partition it is, use "ntfs" as fs type, options should be ro and maybe some others, you can read the mount man page yourself to see the options, and dump should prbably be 0 and pass should be 2.
[05:11] <_scp> bob2: I have seen a recommendation for something like it on the wiki, is it being considered?
[05:11] <bob2> _scp: yes
[05:11] <bob2> it would be handy to have
[05:11] <_scp> bob2: Ok, thanks, and I agree
[05:13] <_scp> bob2: any ideas on coping with not having it? I am a somewhat new debian user (not new to linux, just to debian) that has only used that to search for packages
[05:13] <bob2> _scp: "apt-cache search blah" searches the package description database on your system
[05:13] <bob2> _scp: apt-cache show blah, shows the description for blah
[05:14] <bob2> _scp: apt-file lets you search for files in packages
[05:14] <_scp> bob2: I knew I read about that a long time ago... thanks for jarring the ol' rusty trap
[05:15] <_scp> bob2: thanks! and later.....
[05:26] <crack> george
[05:27] <crack> i think i got it
[05:29] <crack> ok well my ntfs work didnt work i dont think
[05:31] <epod> mount -t ntfs /dev/sdc1 /media
[05:31] <epod> insert device that suits you
[05:31] <Agrajag> what did you put in fstab?
[05:32] <Agrajag> and did you actually create an empty directory touse as a mountpoint?
[05:32] <crack> yea i did
[05:32] <crack> its ok
[05:32] <crack> im taking my time
[05:32] <crack> that is one i will get tomorrow
[05:32] <Agrajag> well what did you put in fstab?
[05:33] <Agrajag> I can help you right now
[05:33] <crack> i put what it said at ubuntus website
[05:33] <crack> exactly
[05:33] <Agrajag> I don't know what that is
[05:33] <Agrajag> paste the line here
[05:33] <crack> let me get back to the fstab hang on
[05:33] <Agrajag> and tell me what error you get when you try to mount.
[05:35] <crack> lol gotta remember how to get to editing the fstab
[05:35] <crack> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[05:35] <crack> #
[05:35] <crack> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[05:35] <crack> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[05:35] <crack> /dev/hdc3       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[05:35] <crack> /dev/hda        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[05:35] <crack> /dev/hdb        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[05:35] <crack> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[05:35] <crack> /dev/hda1 	/mnt/winxp	ntfs	defaults/auto/uid=1000,gid=1000	0	0
[05:35] <crack> thats my fstab
[05:35] <crack> it dont look right
[05:35] <crack> but its right
[05:35] <crack> so
[05:35] <crack> im wondering if i am not mounting it right
[05:35] <Agrajag> crack: don't do that again.
[05:36] <Agrajag> I asked you to paste one line.
[05:36] <epod> isn't Agrajag from HHGTG?
[05:36] <Agrajag> defaults/auto/uid=1000,gid=100
[05:36] <Agrajag> why are those slashes there?
[05:36] <Agrajag> epod: yes
[05:36] <Agrajag> he was the being that Arthur killed many times over
[05:36] <epod> kill arthur dent life
[05:36] <epod> yes.
[05:36] <epod> :D
[05:37] <crack> agrajag wana talk one on one?
[05:37] <HrdwrBoB> lol
[05:37] <Agrajag> crack: replace those slahes in the options section with commas
[05:37] <meltbanana314> has anyone gotten the enlightenment wm working in Ubuntu?
[05:37] <Agrajag> crack: it'd be better in here, if I give you bad advice someone else can chime in.
[05:37] <crack> k
[05:37] <Agrajag> wait
[05:37] <Agrajag> /dev/hda is your cdrom?
[05:38] <crack> nah
[05:38] <crack> it shouldnt be
[05:38] <crack> yea it is
[05:38] <Agrajag> it is?
[05:38] <crack> yep
[05:38] <Agrajag> Then your windows partition can not be hda1
[05:38] <crack> i dont use an A drive
[05:38] <Agrajag> what
[05:38] <crack> no floppy
[05:38] <crack> useless
[05:38] <Agrajag> that's not the same thing.
[05:38] <crack> it moves the mount points
[05:38] <Agrajag> hda is primary master.
[05:38] <Agrajag> no
[05:38] <crack> ah
[05:38] <crack> um
[05:39] <crack> thats weird
[05:39] <Agrajag> drive letters are a stupid windows... thing.
[05:39] <crack> yea
[05:39] <Agrajag> in linux, hda is primary master
[05:39] <crack> oh
[05:39] <Agrajag> hdb is primary slave
[05:39] <crack> hmm
[05:39] <crack> i dont know then
[05:39] <Agrajag> hdc, secondary master, hdd, secondary slave
[05:39] <crack> thats just what my fstab says
[05:39] <crack> i have it parted up
[05:39] <crack> for dual
[05:39] <crack> boot
[05:39] <crack> xp/ubuntu
[05:40] <crack> and 1 drive for all my music and movies and shizzle
[05:40] <Agrajag> ok
[05:40] <Agrajag> try this
[05:40] <Agrajag> sudo cfdisk /dev/hda
[05:40] <Agrajag> DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING
[05:40] <crack> k hang on
[05:40] <regeya> as we all know, /dev/hda makes a lot more sense than c:\
[05:40] <Agrajag> just look
[05:41] <Agrajag> regeya: it does when your OS sees it as /dev/hda throughout the whole system
[05:41] <Agrajag> NT does not use drive letters "under the hood"
[05:41] <crack> it says open disk you have no permission to write
[05:41] <regeya> hrm...
[05:41] <epod> hm
[05:41] <warty> WOW
[05:41] <epod> I need a car stereo that plays .ogg
[05:41] <epod> is there sucha  thing?
[05:41] <warty> ubuntu is NICE!!!!!!!
[05:41] <Agrajag> crack: use sudo
[05:41] <warty> im impressed
[05:41] <regeya> well, then it's not entirely accurate to refer to drive letters as a stupid windows thing, but I'm shutting up now. :-}
[05:41] <warty> this is debian???????
[05:42] <Agrajag> I said, "sudo cfdisk /dev/hda"
[05:42] <warty> all i can say is WOW
[05:42] <warty> i used the livecd
[05:42] <Agrajag> regeya: it is, because it's what's seen by the user
[05:42] <regeya> I've been working too much with Macs lately, where volumes show up as whatever the hell you name them.
[05:42] <jdz`> warty: It's even more awsome once you install it :D
[05:42] <epod> regeya: I actually like that
[05:42] <crack> i did
[05:42] <Agrajag> regeya: well, that's how it works with Gnome, more or less
[05:42] <crack> it says
[05:42] <crack> opened disk
[05:42] <Agrajag> really?
[05:42] <warty> warty:  I always liked debian alot
[05:42] <crack> you have no permission to write
[05:42] <warty> errr i mean jdz
[05:43] <warty> lol
[05:43] <Agrajag> ok
[05:43] <crack> then it says
[05:43] <crack> when i hit enter
[05:43] <regeya> for example, the USB drive I've got plugged in now shows up as "SHANE" at work on my OS X station, and here at home, it shows up as, um, "sda1"
[05:43] <crack> it says
[05:43] <Agrajag> what happens when you simply use mount, without using the fstab entry?
[05:43] <crack> do i want to start with zero table?
[05:43] <Agrajag> no
[05:43] <Agrajag> just forget it
[05:43] <crack> kk
[05:43] <regeya> hrm...that makes me wonder...
[05:43] <warty> jdz:   so ubuntu is completely gnome based tho with all its config settings right?
[05:43] <Agrajag> what happens when you try to mount?
[05:43] <epod> regeya: yeah, that happens to me.  sda1 for my USB drive
[05:43] <crack> mount
[05:43] <crack> what is the cmd exactly?
[05:44] <Agrajag> uh
[05:44] <Agrajag> ok
[05:44] <crack> mount /dev/hda
[05:44] <warty> jdz:  Other distros often have their own config sections seperate from gnome
[05:44] <|rufius|> anyone know if there's a word count tool in OpenOffice?
[05:44] <warty> like suse with yast2, etc....
[05:44] <Agrajag> change those slashes to commas
[05:44] <crack> kk
[05:44] <Agrajag> in the options section in fstab
[05:44] <crack> i did
[05:44] <regeya> wonder if it'd be pssible to get hotplug to use the volume's label when mounting the device... *evil grin*
[05:44] <crack> lemme restart x
[05:44] <Agrajag> then try "mount /dev/hda1"
[05:44] <warty> jdz:  I always thought those features should be worked out with gnome tho
[05:44] <Agrajag> crack: `what why
[05:44] <Agrajag> stop
[05:44] <warty> ubuntu gets the message :)
[05:44] <crack> it says restart x
[05:44] <Agrajag> why are you restarting X?
[05:44] <Agrajag> what does?
[05:44] <crack> it says to do so when i alter my fstab
[05:45] <Agrajag> bullshit.
[05:45] <Agrajag> don't do anything.
[05:45] <crack> ok
[05:45] <crack> ok
[05:45] <Agrajag> go back to the terminal now
[05:45] <jdz`> warty: I totaly agree.  This is a good thing, hopefuly Ubuntu will help contribute better tools to Gnome itself :)
[05:45] <crack> k
[05:45] <Agrajag> "sudo mount /dev/hda1"
[05:45] <Agrajag> what happens?
[05:45] <Agrajag> anything?
[05:45] <crack> mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist
[05:45] <Agrajag> aha
[05:46] <Agrajag> ok
[05:46] <Agrajag> then hda must be your CD drive, somehow
[05:46] <Agrajag> odd
[05:46] <crack> wow
[05:46] <crack> k
[05:46] <Agrajag> try this:
[05:46] <Agrajag> change /dev/hda1 to /dev/hdc1
[05:47] <Agrajag> if you have ubuntu and windows on the same drive, I bet that's where windows is.
[05:47] <crack> nope
[05:47] <crack> erros
[05:47] <Agrajag> what error?
[05:47] <Agrajag> oh
[05:47] <crack> bash: change: command not found
[05:47] <Agrajag> .....
[05:47] <Agrajag> jesus christ man
[05:47] <crack> lol
[05:47] <wm_eddie> WOW...
[05:47] <Agrajag> OPEN FSTAB, CHANGE /dev/hda1 to /dev/hdc1
[05:48] <crack> ah
[05:48] <wm_eddie> I never thought I'd see that with my own eyes...
[05:48] <crack> kk
[05:48] <Agrajag> wow just wow
[05:48] <Agrajag> zenwhen: are you here
[05:48] <George^Deka> how do i install the win32 codecs - i dont want to install mplayer if i dont have to
[05:48] <crack> I a serious newb
[05:48] <zenwhen> Agrajag, yes.
[05:48] <zenwhen> sup?
[05:48] <Agrajag> r u lmao
[05:48] <Agrajag> anyway
[05:48] <zenwhen> Wait, you are my zaphy.
[05:48] <Agrajag> crack: make that change
[05:49] <Agrajag> zenwhen: 8)
[05:49] <zenwhen> :D
[05:49] <Agrajag> crack: then go back to the terminal
[05:49] <zenwhen> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=1763984#1763984
[05:49] <Agrajag> and do "sudo mount /mnt/winxp"
[05:49] <zenwhen> man theres a bunch of trolls on the gentoo forums tonight
[05:49] <tseng> zenwhen: man, theres a bunch of trolls in #ubuntu tonight
[05:49] <Xenguy> crack: I'm one of those of the (old-fashioned?) opinion that "newbs" shouldn't feel obligated to apologize, or feel inferior =)
[05:49] <tseng> zenwhen: stop brining up gentoo here, please.
[05:50] <Agrajag> hahah
[05:50] <Agrajag> he's not bringin up gentoo, he's bringing up trolling
[05:50] <Rene_S> Gentoo, Igloo, Peekaboo
[05:50] <Agrajag> trolling is distro-agnostic
[05:50] <Agrajag> crack: make that change yet?
[05:50] <crack> agrajag where do i put that line?
[05:50] <crack> at the end?
[05:50] <tseng> Agrajag, no he was going on about it earlier also
[05:50] <tseng> oh well.
[05:50] <Agrajag> crack: what line?
[05:50] <zenwhen> I in no way support anyones use of that distro.
[05:50] <zenwhen> lol
[05:50] <Agrajag> keep the one you have.
[05:50] <crack> the change line
[05:51] <Agrajag> what change line?
[05:51] <crack> oh
[05:51] <crack> nm
[05:51] <Rene_S> Crap looks like FreeBSD is 2 cd's
[05:51] <crack> i think i get what you are saying
[05:51] <Agrajag> don't tell me you're going to put "change /dev/hda1 to /dev/hdc1" IN fstab?
[05:51] <Agrajag> yes
[05:51] <crack> no
[05:51] <Agrajag> where it says /dev/hda1
[05:51] <crack> that was my question
[05:51] <Agrajag> on the line you added
[05:51] <crack> but i know now
[05:51] <bk3> +
[05:51] <Agrajag> make it say /dev/hdc1
[05:52] <Agrajag> ok
[05:52] <crack> i did
[05:52] <Agrajag> ok, you changed it and saved the file?
[05:52] <Agrajag> and you're at the command line?
[05:53] <Agrajag> "sudo mount /mnt/winxp"
[05:53] <Agrajag> does that give you any errors?
[05:53] <Xenguy> huh
[05:53] <crack> now
[05:53] <crack> yep
[05:53] <crack> its done
[05:53] <crack> mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist
[05:53] <George^Deka> how do i install the win32 codecs - i dont want to install mplayer if i dont have to
[05:53] <Agrajag> crack: stop trying to mount /dev/hda1
[05:53] <Agrajag> "sudo mount /mnt/winxp"
[05:53] <crack> ok
[05:53] <crack> ok
[05:54] <crack> $ sudo mount /mnt/winxp
[05:54] <crack> mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist
[05:54] <Xenguy> Agrajag: is that a valid mount syntax?
[05:54] <Agrajag> crack: did you change that line in /etc/fstab?
[05:54] <Agrajag> Xenguy: yes
[05:54] <crack> do i need to change that to hda
[05:54] <crack> instead of a1
[05:54] <Agrajag> he has that mountpoint in fstab
[05:54] <Agrajag> no
[05:54] <Agrajag> not a at all
[05:54] <Agrajag> c
[05:54] <Xenguy> Agrajag: should it not be -> mount <device> <mount-point>  ?
[05:55] <Agrajag> the line should read: /dev/hdc1  /mnt/winxp ntfs defaults,auto,ro,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[05:55] <Agrajag> Xenguy: no.
[05:55] <Xenguy> Agrajag: OK, I see what you are doing
[05:55] <Agrajag> Xenguy: if it's in /etc/fstab, all you need is one or the other.
[05:55] <warty> wow
[05:55] <Xenguy> Agrajag: nod
[05:55] <warty> ubuntu has all the sounds working too
[05:55] <warty> ubuntu has alot going for it
[05:55] <crack> ok so what now?
[05:56] <Xenguy> warty: promising, eh?  :-)
[05:56] <Agrajag> crack: save the file.
[05:56] <warty> xenguy:  u know i tried novell desktop 9 and it crashed my system
[05:56] <crack> i did
[05:56] <warty> i went thru alot of distros
[05:56] <crack> wanna see it again?
[05:56] <Agrajag> go back to the command line.
[05:56] <Agrajag> no.
[05:56] <warty> this one configured my system 100% no problems
[05:56] <crack> kk
[05:56] <Agrajag> go back to the command line
[05:57] <Agrajag> run "sudo mount /mnt/winxp"
[05:57] <Xenguy> warty: based on Debian GNU/Linux ;-)
[05:57] <Agrajag> anything happen?
[05:57] <crack> mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist
[05:57] <Agrajag> crack: .....
[05:57] <crack> dude
[05:57] <warty> xenguy:  So was linspire but it didnt work on my system :P and linspire is horrible
[05:57] <crack> the winxp
[05:57] <Agrajag> you're doing something very very wrong.
[05:57] <crack> in fstab
[05:57] <crack> is pointing to hda 1
[05:57] <Agrajag> Are you SURE you're saving the file?
[05:57] <crack> yes
[05:58] <warty> xenguy:  I dont care if its debian or redhat based
[05:58] <crack> i will brb
[05:58] <Agrajag> crack: what
[05:58] <crack> gonna restart x
[05:58] <Agrajag> wait
[05:58] <Agrajag> one thing
[05:58] <warty> as long as it works well and ubuntu does :)
[05:58] <Agrajag> no
[05:58] <Agrajag> no
[05:58] <Agrajag> no
[05:58] <crack> k
[05:58] <Agrajag> this has NOTHING to do with X
[05:58] <Agrajag> paste the output of this:
[05:58] <Xenguy> warty: I definitely do - philosophy of freedom is important to me
[05:58] <Agrajag> cat /etc/fstab |grep winxp
[05:58] <crack> what is that?
[05:59] <Agrajag> it's a command, which will print out ONLY the line which has that mountpoint in it.
[05:59] <warty> xenguy:  fedora is freedom too right?
[05:59] <Agrajag> I don't want you spamming the channel again
[05:59] <warty> xenguy:  Fedora is 100% opensource i thought
[05:59] <Agrajag> just paste that one line in here.
[05:59] <Agrajag> please.
[05:59] <crack> cat /etc/fstab |grep winxp
[05:59] <crack> /dev/hda1       /mnt/winxp      ntfs    defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000       0       0
[05:59] <Agrajag> ok
[05:59] <Agrajag> You said you changed it.
[05:59] <Agrajag> You didn't.
[05:59] <crack> i did
[05:59] <Agrajag> you didn't.
[05:59] <Xenguy> warty: oh sure (do get me wrong) - it's just that Debian is non-commercial, a volunteer effort like the original Linux kernel, so I like that :-)
[05:59] <Agrajag> You didn't save it anyway
[05:59] <Xenguy> heh
[05:59] <crack> you mean to c right
[06:00] <crack> hdc
[06:00] <Xenguy> warty: s/do/don't
[06:00] <George^Deka> make /dev/hda1 to /dev/hdc1
[06:00] <Agrajag> crack: run this:
[06:00] <Agrajag> shitr
[06:00] <Agrajag> I can't think of how to do it in one line
[06:00] <Majestic|Linux> Hey NJ person
[06:00] <warty> xenguy right but ubuntu isnt :)
[06:00] <Majestic|Linux> i' from NY ;)
[06:00] <warty> xenguy:  Well i guess it is
[06:00] <warty> xenguy:  Does ubuntu have plans for a gui installer possibly?
[06:01] <crack> /dev/hdc1        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto
[06:01] <Xenguy> warty: you should be very clear - Ubuntu may be financed by a millionaire, but it is solidly based on Debian (and says so in no uncertain terms on its web site)
[06:01] <crack> that is what it is
[06:01] <Agrajag> crack: ok
[06:01] <Agrajag> NOW
[06:01] <warty> xenguy:  Debian has one planned i think for a gui installer
[06:01] <Agrajag> run "sudo mount /mnt/winxp"
[06:01] <crack> dude
[06:01] <crack> i didnt change it
[06:01] <Agrajag> wait
[06:01] <Agrajag> no
[06:01] <Agrajag> you changed the worng one!
[06:01] <crack> that is what came up
[06:01] <Xenguy> warty: GUI installer planned for next release (hoary)
[06:01] <Agrajag> change that BACK to /dev/hda
[06:01] <Agrajag> change that BACK to /dev/hda
[06:01] <warty> xenguy text or graphical?
[06:02] <Agrajag> crack: ok
[06:02] <Xenguy> warty: GUI == graphical
[06:02] <crack> got it
[06:02] <crack> i get it
[06:02] <NJperson> Majestic|Linux:  Where in NY?
[06:02] <Agrajag> I'm not entirely sure you do.
[06:02] <warty> xenguy:  Based on debian code or custom?
[06:02] <Majestic|Linux> I was using Ubuntu via vmware on my amd athlon xp-m 2800+ 768mb ddr 30gb DSL/router and it was so had to do anything via apt-get , I've used Libranet and its the easiest Deb Based and I can do any apt-get install whatever
[06:02] <Majestic|Linux> NYC
[06:02] <Majestic|Linux> But with Ubuntu I had trouble
[06:02] <crack> i got it
[06:02] <crack> it works now
[06:02] <Agrajag> it does?
[06:02] <crack> yep
[06:02] <crack> its there
[06:02] <Agrajag> mounts, you see all your files?
[06:02] <Majestic|Linux> tomorrow I'm gonna install it fulltime on my linux box, celeron 634mhz 256sdram 20gb how does that setup sounds for Ubuntu?
[06:03] <crack> yep
[06:03] <Agrajag> ok good.
[06:03] <Xenguy> warty: Ubuntu is committed to taking and giving back to Debian - so hopefully (if things go according to plan) it will be a reciprocal and mutually beneficial relationship
[06:03] <crack> now
[06:03] <crack> since we got that one working
[06:03] <crack> that isnt my music drive
[06:03] <crack> lol
[06:03] <George^Deka> now just to double check do -- cd mnt/winxp -- then do ls
[06:04] <warty> xenguy no i mean is ubuntu creating the gui installer from scratch?
[06:04] <Agrajag> crack: make a copy of that line
[06:04] <warty> xenguy:  Or are they using another existing installer?
[06:04] <Agrajag> change hdc1 to hdc2
[06:04] <Xenguy> warty: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/philosophy/document_view for more info
[06:04] <Agrajag> and give it a different mount point.
[06:04] <crack> uh
[06:04] <Xenguy> warty: I'm not sure on that point
[06:04] <George^Deka> well maybe you have it partitioned, so it will be /dev/hdc2/ -- if it was c we endedup using
[06:04] <crack> change c1 to 2?
[06:04] <Agrajag> yes
[06:04] <crack> ah
[06:05] <crack> kk
[06:05] <crack> ok
[06:05] <crack> i changed it to hdc2
[06:05] <George^Deka> i would just add another line if i was you so you can access that other drive later if you want, if you do that you have to change the winxp part to be something else because they cannot be the same
[06:06] <Agrajag> that's what I said.
[06:06] <Agrajag> make a copy of the line, change the partition, change the mount point.
[06:07] <crack> ok
[06:07] <George^Deka> Agrajag: sorry missed that part, too much text filling my screen
[06:07] <crack> i am going to try to mount the other one now
[06:08] <crack> what would be the command now?
[06:08] <Agrajag> crack: what mount point did you give it?
[06:08] <crack> hdc2
[06:08] <Agrajag> uh
[06:08] <Agrajag> no
[06:08] <Agrajag> that's the device
[06:08] <crack> oh
[06:08] <Agrajag> the mount point would be like /mnt/winxp
[06:08] <crack> ah
[06:08] <crack> kk
[06:08] <Agrajag> only you need to make it different
[06:09] <Agrajag> you can't mount two filesystems on one point
[06:09] <crack> ok what do i name it?
[06:09] <crack> ntfs2?
[06:09] <Agrajag> what
[06:09] <crack> its ntfs
[06:09] <Agrajag> leave ntfs as it is
[06:09] <crack> so
[06:09] <crack> kk
[06:09] <Agrajag> ntfs is the fs type
[06:09] <warty> ubuntus logo is nice and clean :)
[06:09] <Agrajag> the part that says /mnt/winxp
[06:09] <crack> i know that
[06:09] <Agrajag> do you see it?
[06:10] <crack> what do i put in there for the winxp?
[06:10] <warty> unlike many many other os's
[06:10] <crack> sorry
[06:10] <crack> bad wording
[06:10] <warty> err distros
[06:10] <warty> so ubuntu has alot of bigshots over at gnome + freedesktop i hear? :)
[06:10] <Agrajag> crack: whatever you want
[06:10] <Agrajag> make it /mnt/music if it's just music
[06:10] <warty> and ubuntu has bucks!
[06:10] <warty> all good for us :)
[06:10] <Agrajag> then you'll have to go to the command line and do "mkdir /mnt/music"
[06:10] <warty> ubuntu is the best distro ive seen in a long time :)
[06:11] <warty> finally something giving back to the community
[06:11] <zenwhen> more like sudo mkdir am i rite
[06:11] <Agrajag> zenwhen: oh rite
[06:11] <warty> i mean in a big way
[06:11] <Agrajag> "sudo mkdir /mnt/music"
[06:11] <zenwhen> ounch the binrat
[06:12] <zenwhen> so does xorg work pretty well in hoary
[06:12] <bob2> only a couple of new bugs over xfree86
[06:12] <Agrajag> zenwhen: voted name for release #3
[06:12] <crack> ok its not pulling up my music or files
[06:12] <crack> i created it
[06:12] <crack> but nothings there
[06:12] <Agrajag> crack: created the mountpoint?
[06:13] <Agrajag> Did you then mount the partition?
[06:13] <crack> yep
[06:13] <Agrajag> "sudo mount /mnt/music"?
[06:13] <zenwhen> Brave Binrat
[06:13] <zenwhen> that would be a rockin name
[06:13] <Agrajag> ounchy the binrat
[06:13] <zenwhen> id oucnh it
[06:13] <zenwhen> o;
[06:13] <crack>  wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc2,
[06:13] <crack>        or too many mounted file systems
[06:13] <crack>        (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[06:13] <crack>        instead of some logical partition inside?)
[06:14] <Agrajag> ugh, generic error
[06:14] <crack> yea
[06:14] <joejiang> hello everyone
[06:15] <Agrajag> "sudo mount /dev/hdc2 -t ntfs /mnt/music -o ro" does the same thing?
[06:16] <crack> hang on
[06:17] <crack> sudo mount /dev/hdc2 -t ntfs /mnt/winxp2 -0 ro
[06:17] <crack> lol
[06:18] <Agrajag> -o not -0
[06:18] <crack>  $ sudo mount /dev/hdc2 -t ntfs /mnt/winxp2 -0 ro
[06:18] <crack> mount: invalid option -- 0
[06:18] <crack> Usage: mount -V                 : print version
[06:18] <crack>        mount -h                 : print this help
[06:18] <crack>        mount                    : list mounted filesystems
[06:18] <crack>        mount -l                 : idem, including volume labels
[06:18] <crack> So far the informational part. Next the mounting.
[06:18] <crack> The command is `mount [-t fstype]  something somewhere'.
[06:19] <crack> Details found in /etc/fstab may be omitted.
[06:19] <crack>        mount -a [-t|-O]  ...     : mount all stuff from /etc/fstab
[06:19] <crack>        mount device             : mount device at the known place
[06:19] <crack>        mount directory          : mount known device here
[06:19] <Agrajag> god DAMNIT
[06:19] <bob2> format is rong
[06:19] <Agrajag> STOP
[06:19] <crack>        mount -t type dev dir    : ordinary mount command
[06:19] <crack> Note that one does not really mount a device, one mounts
[06:19] <Agrajag> it's not -0, it's -o
[06:19] <crack> a filesystem (of the given type) found on the device.
[06:19] <crack> One can also mount an already visible directory tree elsewhere:
[06:19] <crack>        mount --bind olddir newdir
[06:19] <crack> or move a subtree:
[06:19] <Agrajag> sigh
[06:19] <Agrajag> crack: if you can read this, do NOT spam in here
[06:19] <Agrajag> secondly, it's -o, not -0.
[06:19] <Agrajag> all you have to do is copy and pate the command.
[06:20] <Agrajag> sudo mount /dev/hdc2 -t ntfs /mnt/music -o ro
[06:20] <bob2> he can see you, he just can't write anything for now
[06:20] <Agrajag> select it with your mouse. then go to the command line and middle-click.
[06:20] <George^Deka> how do you search your system for a partical file, because it seems like the gnome search is not working
[06:20] <Agrajag> or,if you have no middle button, click both left and right.
[06:20] <zenwhen> did he just... paste his fstab?
[06:20] <Agrajag> zenwhen: he did earlier when I asked him to paste one line
[06:20] <zenwhen> ha
[06:20] <Agrajag> now he's pasted the entire help output from mount.
[06:20] <bob2> crack: please be more careful in future
[06:21] <bob2> George^Deka: "locate"
[06:21] <George^Deka> bob2: thanks
[06:21] <crack> well
[06:22] <crack> more careful?
[06:22] <crack> what do u mean?
[06:22] <bob2> to not flood the channel with crap
[06:22] <crack> im not trying
[06:22] <bob2> well, just don't do it again
[06:22] <crack> wow
[06:22] <bob2> ?
[06:22] <crack> didnt realize it was a big deal that i post that
[06:22] <bob2> it's really really annoying and disruptive
[06:22] <Agrajag> dude
[06:22] <Agrajag> that was like 15 lines
[06:22] <bob2> and makes it impossible to help anyone else
[06:22] <bob2> anyway
[06:23] <bob2> crack: 15:20:05        Agrajag |  sudo mount /dev/hdc2 -t ntfs /mnt/music -o ro
[06:23] <crack> bob, you could probably be a little nicer...
[06:23] <bob2> crack: that's the exact command to run
[06:23] <crack> i understand now
[06:23] <bob2> crack: I think I was very nice
[06:23] <Agrajag> crack: he could have just kickbanned you instead
[06:23] <bob2> but anyway, we all learnt a valuable lesson about not smoking behind the bike shed at school
[06:23] <crack> leaving it alone.....
[06:24] <Agrajag> because knowlegde is power!
[06:24] <Agrajag> or something
[06:24] <crack> ok
[06:24] <crack> it errors
[06:24] <bob2> Agrajag: and peer pressure is bad!
[06:24] <Agrajag> crack: same generic error as before?
[06:24] <crack> yep
[06:24] <crack> same
[06:25] <Agrajag> crack: is this music stuff on the same hard drive?
[06:25] <Agrajag> or another one?
[06:25] <bob2> are you sure you ran the *exact* command Agrajag gave you?
[06:25] <crack> yes just partitioned
[06:25] <Agrajag> ok, one drive
[06:25] <crack> yes i ran it just changed the music to winxp2
[06:25] <Agrajag> sudo mount /dev/hdc4 -t ntfs /mnt/music -o ro
[06:25] <Agrajag> try that
[06:25] <Agrajag> sudo mount /dev/hdc4 -t ntfs /mnt/winxp2 -o ro
[06:25] <Agrajag> than
[06:25] <Agrajag> then
[06:25] <Agrajag> ergh
[06:26] <crack> is one line ok?
[06:26] <Agrajag> crack: one line is fine
[06:26] <crack> for the error
[06:26] <crack> mount: special device /dev/hdc4 does not exist
[06:26] <Agrajag> ok
[06:27] <Agrajag> do you know how you partitioned this?
[06:27] <crack> yep
[06:27] <Agrajag> I mean, did you use extended partitions or something?
[06:27] <crack> 10/10/60
[06:27] <crack> nope
[06:27] <crack> 2 ntfs
[06:27] <HrdwrBoB> sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdc
[06:27] <crack> 1 open
[06:27] <crack> for linux
[06:27] <Agrajag> crack: run that line HrdwrBoB just posted
[06:28] <crack> hdc5 is it
[06:28] <Agrajag> ok
[06:28] <crack> thank you hrdwrbob
[06:28] <Agrajag> run that, then
[06:30] <Agrajag> and make it hdc5 in /etc/fstab and all that good stuff
[06:30] <crack> ok
[06:30] <crack> do i have to mkdir it?
[06:30] <Agrajag> mkdir what?
[06:31] <Agrajag> you already made the mount point,I thought
[06:31] <crack> hdc5?
[06:31] <crack> yea
[06:31] <Agrajag> no
[06:31] <crack> i did
[06:31] <Agrajag> that's a device
[06:31] <crack> k
[06:31] <Agrajag> it's a special kind of file which already exists
[06:31] <zenwhen> :/
[06:31] <Agrajag> :\
[06:31] <zenwhen> ;)
[06:31] <crack> ok
[06:31] <Agrajag> :D
[06:31] <crack> how do i mount it now
[06:31] <crack> its done
[06:32] <Agrajag> mount /mnt/winxp2
[06:32] <zenwhen> tcl alert
[06:32] <Agrajag> no shaniqua here
[06:32] <crack> how bout this....
[06:32] <zenwhen> 2 back
[06:32] <crack> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hdc5 is already mounted on /mnt/winxp2
[06:32] <crack> mount failed
[06:32] <zenwhen> crack computer adventures
[06:32] <Agrajag> oh
[06:32] <Agrajag> sudo umount /mnt/winxp2
[06:32] <Agrajag> then try mounting it again
[06:33] <crack> not a cmd
[06:33] <Agrajag> what's not a cmd
[06:34] <crack> it said c0mmand not found
[06:34] <Agrajag> what command?
[06:34] <Agrajag> sudo umount /mnt/winxp2?
[06:34] <crack> unmount
[06:34] <Agrajag> not unmount
[06:34] <Agrajag> read it again
[06:34] <Agrajag> sudo umount /mnt/winxp2?
[06:34] <Agrajag> sudo umount /mnt/winxp2
[06:34] <crack> lol
[06:34] <crack> alright!
[06:35] <crack> damn
[06:35] <Agrajag> ok
[06:35] <crack> im sure that was like pulling teeth
[06:35] <crack> im sorry guys
[06:35] <Agrajag> now
[06:35] <crack> im learning
[06:35] <zenwhen>  what is the 'stat' cmd do ?  :D
[06:35] <Agrajag> have you installed the stuff you need to play mp3s?
[06:35] <crack> xmms
[06:35] <crack> yep
[06:35] <Agrajag> zenwhen: this isn't #arch
[06:35] <Agrajag> oh ok
[06:35] <zenwhen> o
[06:35] <zenwhen> D:
[06:35] <crack> but
[06:35] <eclipse> hh
[06:35] <Agrajag> buuuut?
[06:36] <crack> how do i get to the music using xmms
[06:36] <crack> i kjnow the pl
[06:36] <crack> play list
[06:36] <crack> but
[06:36] <crack> how do i choose an ntfs file for the list
[06:36] <zenwhen> have you used winamp?
[06:36] <crack> yea
[06:36] <zenwhen> kinda like that
[06:36] <Agrajag> you can just drag and drop folders from Nautilus into the playlist
[06:36] <zenwhen> yeah
[06:36] <crack> ok
[06:36] <zenwhen> do that
[06:38] <crack> im in
[06:38] <crack> thanks guys
[06:38] <crack> ALOT
[06:39] <Agrajag> no problem duder
[06:40] <crack> i have learned so much from you guys tonight
[06:40] <hoartywarthog> Hi
[06:40] <crack> more than i did with mandrake
[06:40] <Agrajag> hoartywarthog: meatwire
[06:40] <hoartywarthog> good
[06:40] <hoartywarthog> o;
[06:41] <hoartywarthog> oh snaaaaaa
[06:41] <Agrajag> zenwhen: gg
[06:41] <zenwhen> lol
[06:50] <humanfellow> Hi all
[06:51] <jdz`> Hi!
[06:56] <vczcxvcz> hello all
[06:58] <zenwhen> hey
[06:59] <gomorrah> is anyone there
[06:59] <Agrajag> no
[07:00] <HrdwrBoB> no
[07:01] <joejiang_> :)
[07:01] <joejiang_> alias
[07:05] <new2linux> hi is there a vnc program for x that will allow me to view my linux box from a windows machine?
[07:05] <HrdwrBoB> new2linux: yes
[07:05] <new2linux> is it in synaptic?
[07:06] <HrdwrBoB> computer->desktop preferences->remote desktop
[07:06] <new2linux> aww easy enough thanks
[07:06] <siimo> hi any freenode staff members here
[07:06] <new2linux> will try now
[07:06] <gomorrah> hi all
[07:06] <Lathiat> siimo: Why would there be freenode staff in here?
[07:07] <gomorrah> got a little bit of a problem with ubuntu
[07:07] <siimo> Lathiat, cause i saw 1 before?
[07:07] <Lathiat> siimo: And if you want help, this is not the appopriate place to find it...
[07:07] <Lathiat> if they are in here, its for their personal reasons, not as a staff member
[07:07] <Ruffian|JANE|> does ubuntu use kernel 2.6.8 or 2.6.9?
[07:07] <siimo> Lathiat, well it doesnt help that #freenode is voice only so general people cant get help there
[07:08] <new2linux> question for you it says allow them to connect to new2linux.example.com do i just open the host file and put in my ip in there?
[07:08] <Lathiat> siimo: Try reading the topic of #freenode
[07:08] <Lathiat> siimo: They're there for a reason
[07:08] <siimo> tried that already
[07:08] <Lathiat> So you wait
[07:09] <HrdwrBoB> new2linux: you don't need any hosts file
[07:09] <Lathiat> irc network admins are busy people, not only with the network but with their own lives, i know i used to be one (not for freenode, but none the less) -- if there are no staffers online, send an email as it says and it will be answered it due course
[07:09] <new2linux> ok well i guess i'm not understanding it correctly or something it say connect vncserver new2linux.example.com: 0
[07:10] <Lathiat> new2linux: no space
[07:10] <humanfellow> how do i play video's on warty! no matter what i try, mpeg, real, etc. totem can't play
[07:10] <new2linux> ok but here is my question
[07:10] <HrdwrBoB> new2linux: you have to use the IP address of your computer
[07:10] <Lathiat> oh
[07:10] <Lathiat> vncserver
[07:10] <new2linux> how does my windows box on a totall different ip
[07:10] <new2linux> ok that was my question
[07:10] <Lathiat> no just run "vncserver"
[07:10] <Agrajag> humanfellow: install totem-xine
[07:10] <Agrajag> gstreamer kind of sucks
[07:10] <new2linux> let me try
[07:10] <Agrajag> sucks a lot
[07:10] <new2linux> thanks for the hlep
[07:10] <Lathiat> then use a vnc client to connect to your host on :0 or :1 or whatever
[07:10] <new2linux> err help even
[07:10] <new2linux> gotcha
[07:11] <new2linux> so its the same as tightvnc
[07:11] <bob2> gstreamer is great
[07:11] <bob2> patents suck
[07:11] <Agrajag> what
[07:11] <Agrajag> oh
[07:11] <Lathiat> humanfellow: Please keep in mind that installing totem-xine takes you away from the ubuntu-desktop, which means you can no longer be supported (i.e. bugs for bugzilla aren't valid, etc)
[07:11] <new2linux> goign to try now brb
[07:11] <Agrajag> cripes
[07:11] <Lathiat> humanfellow: and future upgrades might break
[07:11] <Agrajag> just install xine by itself then
[07:11] <Lathiat> or mplayer
[07:17] <new2linux> ok i ran the remote desktop and it says vncviewer new2linux.example.com:0 to connect i donwloaded tight vnc on my windows box why can't i type in the access panel myipaddress:0 and it work or do i have to issue a command on here to actually launch the server?
[07:20] <DeepSpaceAnt> hey ubnutu'n ppl ~_~
[07:21] <ud> Does apt-get upgrade ubuntu to the latest kernel or is that something that needs to be done on its own?
[07:24] <ud> anyone?
[07:24] <Rob|Linux> http://www.desktop-linux.net/apt-get.htm
[07:25] <zenwhen> goodnight ubuntu
[07:26] <new2linux> any idea?
[07:26] <new2linux> i can't seem to login :(
[07:26] <joejiang_> any one know jabber programming
[07:27] <joejiang_> perl jabber programming for GUI application is interesting
[07:28] <ud> thanks Rob|Linux
[07:28] <ud> ill have a read :)
[07:31] <joejiang_> sorry for mistake
[07:34] <Rob|Linux> welcome :)
[07:35] <George^Deka> is there a way to install w32 codecs without having to install mplayer ?
[07:37] <Agrajag> what other programs use w32codecs?
[07:38] <ud> hmm that explains apt-get more than explains anything about upgrading a kernel
[07:38] <ud> anyone else got any useful links or tips?
[07:39] <George^Deka> Agrajag: thats what i am asking, is there a way to make totem or xine use w32 codecs
[07:40] <Agrajag> totem, no, not if you're using gstreamer
[07:41] <Agrajag> xine might
[07:43] <new2linux> tightvnc says port 5901 according to the log and the xvncviewer says :1 so which do i use are they totally different or what?
[07:43] <Agrajag> according to apt-cache mplayer isn't a dependency
[07:43] <opi> morning
[07:44] <drew_> i can't use any root progs
[07:44] <opi> new2linux: :1 it's VNC's way to telling you it's base + 1
[07:44] <drew_> like netowrk config
[07:44] <drew_> it always says i can't log in, and it terminated the child process
[07:44] <drew_> and i just hadf ot format cos i was leaking memory like a sieve
[07:44] <opi> drew_: sudo program
[07:45] <George^Deka> Agrajag: i think xine might need xine-w32 which is not provided in multiverse
[07:45] <stub> Is there some way I can put a bigger trashcan on my desktop, or am I SOL?
[07:45] <drew_> ah, don;t worry, got it
[07:45] <Agrajag> stub: sure
[07:45] <Agrajag> you might have to fight with gconf a bit
[07:45] <Agrajag> let me find the key'
[07:46] <Agrajag> ok
[07:46] <new2linux> well dang i don't know what i'm doing wrong but it will not connect
[07:46] <Agrajag> stub: Applications>System Tools>Configuration Editor
[07:46] <new2linux> i put the windows box on dmz so i could get rid of routing prooblems for the test
[07:46] <new2linux> but it will not let me connect to this box i type 24.99.11.92:1 and get nothing :(
[07:46] <Agrajag> stub: /apps/nautilus/desktop/trash_icon_visible
[07:47] <stub> Ta
[07:47] <Agrajag> check that box, you'll immediately get a trash icon
[07:47] <Agrajag> and you can stretch it out to be about as big as you want
[07:47] <opi> new2linux: see if vncserver is up
[07:47] <new2linux> now do i tell?
[07:47] <opi> new2linux: ps x | grep vnc
[07:47] <new2linux> ok
[07:47] <stub> Agrajag: Working. Thanks :-)
[07:47] <opi> new2linux: netstat -a
[07:49] <new2linux> well ps displayed some information but i'm not sure exactly what i'm looking for :(
[07:50] <new2linux> 5901 and 5902 are listening according to netstat
[07:56] <new2linux> opi: i typed ps and killed the processes with kill <id>
[07:56] <new2linux> and started tightvncserver again any idea what to try :(
[07:57] <opi> Im running normal vncserver without any problem
[07:57] <new2linux> ok
[07:57] <opi> it you run it for the first time, it will ask for vncpassword and store it in .vnc
[07:57] <new2linux> well normal you mean remote desktop right?
[07:57] <opi> normal != not tight
[07:57] <new2linux> ok its not even promptin me for that though :(
[07:58] <opi> then it just respawns another X session via VNC
[07:58] <new2linux> what viewer are you using maybe thats my issue
[07:58] <opi> vncviewer (or xvncvierwer)
[07:58] <new2linux> ok for windows?
[07:59] <new2linux> as in will it work on windows?
[07:59] <opi> I don't own windows machines
[07:59] <new2linux> ok
[07:59] <new2linux> well thats why i'm wondering if i can vnc to linux from a windows machine
[07:59] <new2linux> let me try again
[07:59] <Agrajag> of course you can
[07:59] <Agrajag> vnc is platform-agnostic
[07:59] <opi> same goes for HTTP, POP3 or any standard protocol
[08:00] <new2linux> thats what i thought i'm sure i can but the question i hve is how :)
[08:00] <new2linux> something is either blocking it or something
[08:00] <opi> new2linux: for Windows server/client I have used http://realvnc.com
[08:00] <new2linux> ok let me try that
[08:03] <gomorrah> anyone able to help solve my screen resolution problems??
[08:04] <opi> gomorrah: don't ask to ask
[08:04] <new2linux> crap opi any cahnce you can try my ip with vnc and see if it ask for a pass? i'm not sure what is up
[08:05] <opi> new2linux: I could
[08:05] <opi> new2linux: give me your IP, and I'll try
[08:05] <new2linux> 24.99.11.92
[08:06] <gomorrah> just being polite, wanna help?? its a problem, my screen is showing up in 1024*760, but i have a 640*480 display in the middle of the screen, with black filling the rest of the screen
[08:06] <opi> new2linux: hmmm, can I nmap you?
[08:06] <new2linux> go for it
[08:07] <gomorrah> is anyone here??
[08:07] <pepsi> nope
[08:09] <opi> don't ask :D
[08:09] <opi> could you give me an IP again?
[08:23] <infornography> Does anybody know which files I have to add in order to add another session to the GDM menu?
[08:23] <infornography> One is in /usr/share/xsessions/ I'm pretty sure, but there is another one somewhere.
[08:23] <opi> infornography: packages should add new sessions automagiclly
[08:24] <infornography> Yeah, but I compiled it from source, so I don't have that option
[08:24] <opi> hum..
[08:28] <new2linux> is there a way to restart gnome? without a hardboot for some reason when i try to access terminal it trys to startup but then goes away
[08:30] <cyrus-tc> new2linux, simply logoff and logon?
[08:30] <new2linux> ok let me try that
[08:31] <umarmung> infornography, you have to add a .desktop file in any of the session directories. Look in /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf which directories are used.
[08:31] <infornography> Thanks a lot, I'll do that
[08:35] <bigtony_> ok i'm still trying it can't get this vnc to work :( i went to terminal and typed vncserver as well and still can't connect to it from my windows box :(
[08:35] <Burgundavia> anybody else having slow connections to the servers?
[08:36] <Burgundavia> for apt that is
[08:38] <Treenaks> bigtony_: there's a VNC server built-in in gnome, look at the configuration menu
[08:39] <bigtony_> i did
[08:39] <bigtony_> but i cna't connect :(
[08:39] <Treenaks> bigtony_: try logging out/in
[08:39] <bigtony_> i logged out of gnome and back in
[08:39] <bigtony_> the vnc will not connect
[08:39] <Treenaks> bigtony_: well, then you can connect, if you configured it right
[08:39] <bigtony_> i'ms ure if i configured it right thats the whole point :)
[08:40] <Treenaks> bigtony_: it's easy :) just check the 'Other people van view my desktop' and 'Require a password'
[08:40] <Treenaks> bigtony_: boxes
[08:40] <bigtony_> i did that
[08:40] <bigtony_> thats why i'm confused
[08:41] <Treenaks> bigtony_: what does "netstat -n   | grep 5900" say?
[08:41] <bigtony_> all boxes are checked and a password is in there
[08:41] <bigtony_> let me check
[08:41] <bigtony_> says nothing
[08:41] <bigtony_> bigtony@bigtony:~ $ netstat -n | grep 5900
[08:41] <bigtony_> bigtony@bigtony:~ $
[08:41] <Treenaks> bigtony_: then vino (the gnome vnc server) isn't running..
[08:42] <Treenaks> bigtony_: could you check the configuration window again?
[08:42] <bigtony_> thats computer/desktop preferences/remote desktop your talking about correct?
[08:43] <bigtony_> all checks are in there
[08:45] <bigtony_> do i need to type vino or something to get it to run?
[08:54] <Treenaks> bigtony_: I don't think so -- I never did and it's still running
[08:54] <Treenaks> bigtony_: but you can try..
[08:54] <Treenaks> bigtony_: btw, how are you trying to connect?
[08:54] <bigtony_> i use realvnc on my windows box
[08:54] <Treenaks> oh wait.. nothing was running a vnc server
[08:54] <bigtony_> i type in my ip:5901
[08:54] <bigtony_> and nothing
[08:54] <bigtony_> if i type vncserver 127.0.0.1 on here
[08:54] <bigtony_> it works
[08:55] <bigtony_> i mean viewer
[08:56] <Treenaks> uh
[08:56] <Treenaks> it's on 5900.. but you should just type your IP
[08:56] <Treenaks> it'll default to 5900
[08:56] <Treenaks> and vino is already running..
[08:56] <Treenaks> (should)
[08:57] <bigtony_> ok
[08:57] <bigtony_> well when i type vncserver i get the following
[09:05] <nanotech> hi, i'm interested in earning linux certs, are there any that anyone can sugest i start with?
[09:05] <cef_work> lpi
[09:05] <nanotech> lpi? what does that stand for?
[09:05] <cef_work> Linux Professionals Institute afaik
[09:06] <nanotech> any sugestions of works after this?
[09:07] <cef_work> I know a few of the testers. and it's the best one I've seen.... relatively cheap, distribution agnostic, and they don't feel bad about failing people
[09:08] <cef_work> http://www.lpi.org/
[09:11] <Burgundavia> nanotech: Linux+ is fairly basic, with a lot of A+ and Server+ in it
[09:11] <Burgundavia> Linux+ is Comptia
[09:11] <Burgundavia> Linux Professional Institute has 2 levels (with a 3rd planned) of certs
[09:12] <Burgundavia> each level is 2 tests
[09:12] <Burgundavia> thus you take 101 and 102 and become level 1 certified
[09:12] <Burgundavia> $100 USD a piece
[09:12] <Burgundavia> Linux+ is currently in beta $75
[09:12] <nanotech> that's pretty cheap
[09:12] <Burgundavia> normally $207 USD
[09:13] <Burgundavia> there is also RCHE/T, the red hat specific certs
[09:13] <Burgundavia> very expensive 3k USD+
[09:13] <nanotech> comptia is the cert company offering linux+?
[09:13] <Burgundavia> also Novell has started offering some certs
[09:13] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:13] <iLLf8d> evening all is there a way to use the scroll on the mouse for workspace switching? and anyone know where you define hotkey shortcuts for launching apps (not shortcuts from w/in apps, and not shortcuts for predefined gnome actions)?
[09:14] <Treenaks> iLLf8d: you can define hotkeys to start applications with the Configuration Editor
[09:14] <nanotech> where can i purchase study guides for these tests?
[09:14] <umarmung> iLLf8d, you cannot use the mousewheel with metacity
[09:14] <Burgundavia> nanotech: Overall, I would go with LPI lvl 1. The best, most vendor neutral and up to date bang for your buck
[09:15] <nanotech> i will
[09:15] <iLLf8d> thanks ppls =)
[09:15] <Tyche> hello
[09:15] <nanotech> but i'd like more at least 2
[09:15] <Burgundavia> In addition, you can suggest questions to LPI, as they are a non-profit, and decidely interested in user input
[09:15] <Tyche> Hello
[09:15] <iLLf8d> how goes it this evening btw?
[09:16] <nanotech> what are your opinions on linux+
[09:16] <nanotech> ?
[09:16] <Tyche> Can I su - root from my username on Ubuntu?
[09:16] <Burgundavia> I am about to write Linux+, as my employer is paying for it
[09:16] <Treenaks> Tyche: you can use sudo
[09:16] <nanotech> you can "run as"
[09:16] <nanotech> yeah
[09:16] <nanotech> use sudo
[09:16] <Treenaks> Tyche: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:16] <Treenaks> Tyche: it has an explanation of all possibilities
[09:16] <Burgundavia> nanotech: otherwise I would have concentrated on LPI
[09:17] <Tyche> Treenaks: Thanks
[09:17] <nanotech> wow.
[09:17] <nanotech> well, i'm definatly looking into these
[09:17] <nanotech> thanks
[09:17] <Burgundavia> np
[09:18] <Tyche> I have one other question on Apache/PHP
[09:18] <nanotech> i'm checking out the site's hompages's and will hopefully runinto study guides and other materials to get on my way
[09:18] <Tyche> When I goto localhost or type in the IP address I can see my phpinfo();
[09:19] <Tyche> But, when I goto the IP address from another computer on the network, I have to actually type the IP address/index.php (index.php has my phpinfo(); )
[09:21] <Tyche> Any ideas on that anyone?
[09:22] <nanotech> what's the problem, it seems that this is suposed to happen...
[09:23] <nanotech> if you're on the local box, shouldn't the local ip addy be implicit?
[09:32] <iLLf8d> heh
[10:15] <schwuk> How do I get my hostname to register with my dns server via dhcp?
[10:16] <schwuk> I've edited /etc/network/interfaces to add "hostname foo" to the dhcp section, but no joy
[10:40] <Kamion> ogra: yes?
[10:43] <pepsi> eh
[10:48] <wood1> Is there any alternatives for PcAnyWhere in Ubuntu ?
[10:48] <wood1> Is there any alternatives for PcAnyWhere in Ubuntu ?
[10:48] <Treenaks> wood1: there's a remote desktop server installed by default
[10:48] <Treenaks> wood1: please ask questions only once, too :)
[10:48] <Treenaks> wood1: you can configure it/turn it on in the Computer -> Desktop settings -> Remote Desktop menu
[10:49] <Treenaks> wood1: and you can also connect to other remote desktops using the program in the Applications menu
[10:49] <wfx> and or add any link to see what pcanywhere is
[10:50] <Treenaks> wfx: pcanywhere is a remote desktop thingy, afaik
[10:50] <wfx> Treenaks, like vnc, yes?
[10:51] <Treenaks> I think so.. google for it.. it should give you more details
[10:51] <wfx> :)
[10:53] <mos__> is there an alternative for mplayer in ubuntu? i cant find it in the repos
[10:53] <Treenaks> mos__: there's the default movie player in the menu
[10:53] <mos__> ty
[10:53] <Treenaks> mos__: it can play anything mplayer can play, if you want
[10:53] <mos__> i see
[10:53] <Treenaks> mos__: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats -- it has a howto on how to make that work
[10:56] <wfx> bonobo, dvd
[10:56] <bonobo> to view dvd's read this -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:57] <Treenaks> wfx: bonobo is T3h Bot?
[10:58] <wfx> Treenaks, i have add it for the faq here :-)
[10:58] <Treenaks> Goodness!
[10:58] <wfx> so it is not allways active (if my isp cut my conecction)
[10:59] <wfx> oh it need som teaching but it works :-)
[10:59] <wfx> the same yes :-)
[10:59] <wfx> skyrider, yes it runs here
[11:00] <wfx> skyrider, you can also ask me!
[11:00] <Treenaks> wfx, dvd
[11:00] <Treenaks> :P
[11:00] <Falstius> even on my gentoo system I can't get xine to play everything mplayer plays.  .mkv and .ogm files are just barfed on.
[11:00] <wfx> bonobo, dvd
[11:00] <bonobo> to view dvd's read this -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:00] <Treenaks> Falstius: ogm files work fine in totem
[11:00] <skyrider> wfx: :)
[11:01] <skyrider> bonobo: mp3
[11:01] <bonobo> for mp3 music read -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:01] <skyrider> cool toy ;)
[11:01] <Treenaks> bonobo: sudo
[11:01] <bonobo> Treenaks: Error: 'sudo' is not a valid command.
[11:01] <skyrider> bonobo: sex
[11:01] <bonobo> skyrider: Error: 'sex' is not a valid command.
[11:01] <Treenaks> wfx: how do we teach it?
[11:01] <daniels> (please don't abuse the bot)
[11:02] <Treenaks> sudo/root stuff is explained on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:02] <Falstius> Treenaks, you're right it is just mkv
[11:02] <topyli> does the bot have a help command?
[11:02] <Falstius> hadn't played with it for awhile and forgot :)
[11:02] <wfx> http://supybot.sourceforge.net/docs/commands.html
[11:02] <wfx> btw
[11:02] <wfx> bonobo, sex
[11:02] <bonobo> im in love with ubuntu
[11:02] <topyli> wfx: ok thanks
[11:03] <mos__> yeah ubuntu is now my favorite distro
[11:04] <wfx> bonobo, root
[11:04] <bonobo> sudo/root stuff is explained on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:04] <Treenaks> I wouldn't say "stuff" :)
[11:04] <wfx> :)
[11:04] <Treenaks> I'd say "The reason ubuntu uses sudo instead of a root account is explained on <url>"
[11:05] <wfx> done
[11:06] <Treenaks> bonobo, sudo
[11:06] <bonobo> sudo/root The reason ubuntu uses sudo instead of a root account is explained on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:10] <wfx> bonobo, wfx
[11:10] <bonobo> hmmm, teg.sf.net , http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=17776 , and somthing else ;-)
[11:10] <wfx> ;-)
[11:16] <mos__> hmmm can someone explain to me what the ubuntu-desktop package is and why xine would need to remove it?
[11:17] <wfx> this packae is to install the main desktop, and i think you dont need it later :-)
[11:17] <topyli> ubuntu-desktop depends on all the default desktop packages. you can remove it
[11:17] <Kamion> however, note that this may mean that later upgrades aren't as smooth as they might otherwise be
[11:18] <mos__> hmm ok so its nothing that important
[11:18] <wfx> add to bonobo but aks him with ubuntudesktop
[11:19] <wfx> ask
[11:19] <mos__> pardon?
[11:20] <Kamion> let's not (a) overuse the bot, (b) make cryptic references to the bot to newbies that only confuse them, which seems to defeat the point
[11:20] <wfx> hmmm ok
[11:20] <stvn_> sounds sensible
[11:20] <calc> heh
[11:21] <wfx> and it also not one of the faq :-)
[11:21] <Adrenal> whats the address i add to synaptic to get mplayer and access to mp3s and such
[11:22] <mos__> heh
[11:22] <mos__> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:22] <wfx> bonobo, mp3
[11:22] <bonobo> for mp3 music read -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:22] <Adrenal> i mean to add them to xmms
[11:23] <Adrenal> ah got it
[11:23] <Adrenal> cheerio
[11:24] <mos__> gotta say this is one of the most noob friendly linux chans ive ever been in
[11:25] <Hikaru79> =)
[11:28] <wfx> What you are think should i shutdown the bot or think you it is a good thing?
[11:32] <Caesar> Hi, are there any known issues with the Warty Live CD and orinoco based wireless PCMCIA cards?
[11:32] <Treenaks> Caesar: what kind of problem are you having, exactly?
[11:33] <Caesar> It won't associate.
[11:33] <Treenaks> that's weird
[11:33] <Treenaks> haven't heard that problem
[11:33] <Caesar> Rather. I'm using it on a laptop that's just had a disk fail. Previously it was running sarge with a 2.6.8 kernel and it worked fine.
[11:34] <seb128> bonobo, java
[11:34] <bonobo> read the very good java wiki -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[11:35] <wfx> i folow it and have it running :)
[11:35] <seb128> he he
[11:36] <Elwood> in order to post doc on the wiki it's better to translate in xml?
[11:36] <amu> Caesar: the card isnt detected at all ? what happen if you run iwconfig ?
[11:38] <Kamion> Elwood: some of the wiki guys seem to like ReStructuredText, but you can pick whatever supported format you like
[11:38] <Elwood> ok
[11:38] <Elwood> thanks kalle_
[11:38] <Elwood> thanks Kamion
[11:42] <izmaelis> hello, everyone!
[11:42] <izmaelis> is there anybody from SanFransisco, CA?
[11:49] <wfx> must go to work, cu
[11:51] <mjr> *3*11
[11:52] <Treenaks> mjr: uh.. this is not your phone ;)
[11:58] <mjr> actually, this is my phone :)
[11:59] <Treenaks> mjr: wrong window then ;)
[11:59] <mjr> Nah, just a braino
[12:00] <mjr> * is the cmdchar
[12:02] <Adrenal> how do i get mplayer?
[12:02] <Treenaks> bonobo: dvd
[12:02] <bonobo> to view dvd's read this -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:02] <Treenaks> bonobo: mplayer
[12:02] <bonobo> Treenaks: Error: 'mplayer' is not a valid command.
[12:02] <Treenaks> Adrenal: it's on the same page as the DVD stuff
[12:03] <Adrenal> ah, stackenblocken
[12:03] <Adrenal> everybody have a good one
[12:20] <nion> hi
[12:21] <Quazion> how do i edit the menu ?
[12:21] <Treenaks> Quazion: right-click in it
[12:22] <Quazion> hmm and then read help ? ;-)
[12:22] <Treenaks> hm maybe :)
[12:22] <seb128> nautilus -> applications:///
[12:22] <Treenaks> seb128: ah!
[12:22] <Quazion> oke thanks
[12:22] <Quazion> thats it
[12:24] <Quazion> oke that doesnt work as a user ;-)
[12:24] <Quazion> i try to add something, but it doesnt give an error
[12:24] <Quazion> and doesnt show anyhting
[12:25] <seb128> not even in nautilus ?
[12:26] <seb128> perhaps you need to restart the panel (killall gnome-panel)
[12:26] <Quazion> that worked
[12:38] <im_ka> hi
[12:38] <im_ka> is any1 using webmin-shorewall?
[12:38] <im_ka> how do acces shorewall through webmin?
[12:45] <im_ka> is any1 using webmin-shorewall?
[12:45] <im_ka> how do i acces shorewall through webmin?
[12:46] <b_e_n_z> im_ka, i use vi with shorewall
[12:46] <Falstius> anyway to remove channel messages in IRC on gAim?  Stuff like "blah blah has entered the room"
[12:47] <cardador> for those who may be interested, counter strike source runs quite well in Ubuntu.
[12:47] <im_ka> b_e_n_z i wanna share my ubuntu box's internet connection with my laptop. what's the simplest way to do it? never used shorewall, i thought webmin would be a good start
[12:48] <b_e_n_z> im_ka, go to /etc/shorewall... you only need to edit a few files
[12:49] <b_e_n_z> im_ka, http://www.shorewall.net for good docs
[12:51] <Falstius> im_ka, firestarter makes it easy to do
[12:52] <Falstius> I don't know if it is in the ubuntu universe though.
[12:52] <im_ka> Falstius i have firestarter but i didn't know i can use it for sharing internet connection
[12:52] <Falstius> if check the NAT howto from the linux documentation project.  Thats how I do it.
[12:52] <Falstius> im_ka, you need to enable NAT
[12:53] <Falstius> edit -> preferences -> connection sharing.
[12:54] <fissy> cardador, how?
[12:54] <im_ka> Falstius you're my helper :)
[12:55] <cardador> fissy: if you have cs source and cedega, its very easy.
[12:55] <fissy> i got a black screen when i tried and could only kill X to get out of it
[12:56] <fissy> is there a guide somewhere?
[12:56] <cardador> fissy: i made a post in a forum, ill put here the url
[12:56] <im_ka> i'm still in need of some help though... my internet connection is coming to my ubuntu box on "eth0" the laptop is plugged into "eth1"... so i should set nat to eth1?
[12:57] <Falstius> you set "set my internal device"?  That should be eth1
[12:57] <cardador> fissy: read the last post http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1077&forum=13
[12:59] <fissy> cool, many thanks
[12:59] <cardador> fissy: make me know if it works for you ;)
[12:59] <fissy> :)
[12:59] <im_ka> Falstius yea thanks. plus i need to add the laptop's ip to the trusted ones, right?
[01:01] <Falstius> I don't know.  I don't think so.  You should be able to run your laptop as dhcp
[01:01] <Falstius> hmm, maybe not.  Well either way, give it a try and then you'll know :)
[01:01] <aaroncuk> hi guys
[01:01] <im_ka> i must confess i don't yet have the laptop, i'm just gathering info
[01:01] <aaroncuk> can someone explain how to install mpd as a service on ubuntu
[01:02] <im_ka> thanks a lot Falstius that was great help. don't really feel like manually setting shorewall
[01:14] <wfx> Falstius, you are here?
[01:17] <wfx> hmmm no answer?
[01:22] <wfx> time to go, have alot of fun
[01:54] <the_one> hi
[01:55] <the_one> what am I doing wrong in my fstab, i can't mount my ntfs partitions, here's the line: /dev/hda5       /mnt/STORAGE    ntfs    ro,user,auto    0       0
[01:56] <the_one> anybody?
[01:56] <Treenaks> the_one: what's the error message
[01:56] <opi> the_one: maybe something is using it atm?
[01:56] <the_one> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda,
[01:56] <the_one>        or too many mounted file systems
[01:57] <Treenaks> /dev/sda? is there another entry for /mnt/STORAGE in fstab?
[01:57] <opi> there is no partition there, or FS is bad
[01:57] <the_one> oh, sorry...I meant..
[01:57] <the_one> /dev/sda        /media/CASIO    ntfs    ro,user,auto    0       0
[01:57] <opi> no partition?
[01:57] <opi> cfdisk /dev/sda
[01:57] <Treenaks> the_one: you probably need /dev/sda1 (or sda2, or sda3, etc.)
[01:58] <the_one> it's a digital camera acting as storage
[01:58] <Treenaks> the_one: sure that it isn't FAT? most cams have FAT
[01:58] <the_one> wait...the digital cameras are formated in fat?
[01:58] <opi> still, you need number after device
[01:58] <opi> they are
[01:58] <the_one> ok, my mistake
[01:58] <opi> try vfat and sda1 or something
[01:58] <Treenaks> the_one: is it hot-pluggable?
[01:58] <Treenaks> the_one: (usb / firewire) ?
[01:59] <the_one> usb
[01:59] <Treenaks> then it should mount automatically when you plug it in
[01:59] <Treenaks> and appear on the desktop
[01:59] <the_one> but it's always plugged
[01:59] <opi> type df -h
[01:59] <Treenaks> the_one: then it should always appear
[01:59] <opi> and look for it
[02:00] <the_one> I remember there was a umask=something setting in my previous ubuntu installation for ntfs partitions, do I need it or is it ok as I wrote it?
[02:00] <opi> you can use umask=000
[02:01] <opi> everything for everyone ;)
[02:01] <dreamcatcher> what's the deal with x.org? does it have anything cool and fancy other than the composite extension?
[02:01] <mjr> well, newer drivers that don't flicker on my hardware when playing nwn ;)
[02:01] <opi> dreamcatcher: XF was to conservative more few people
[02:02] <opi> dreamcatcher: as patches was not accpeted
[02:02] <opi> dreamcatcher: so most new stuff is in xorg
[02:02] <the_one> what does umask=000 stand for? I looked for an explanation of fstab on google, but there was nothing on it
[02:02] <dreamcatcher> no big news for older hardware then?
[02:02] <Treenaks> opi: NEVER do that.. always use 022 or something
[02:02] <Treenaks> the_one: use man fstab it explains it
[02:03] <opi> Treenaks: oh, why? I use it for my ,,protable'' disk
[02:03] <opi> Treenaks: you afraid of +x?
[02:03] <the_one> treenaks:thanks
[02:05] <Treenaks> opi: not afraid of +x, but afraid of multi-user systems.. never let other people write to your files
[02:05] <opi> Treenaks: it's my own box
[02:05] <opi> Treenaks: I wouldn't do it, if I was to share it, trust me :)
[02:06] <Treenaks> opi: other people might not know :)
[02:06] <opi> well, ok
[02:07] <opi> sorry for confusing people then
[02:07] <opi> use 022 :)
[02:07] <the_one> what is the correct setting for the fat filesystem, vfat or msdos?
[02:07] <opi> or, -o uid=1000,gid=1000
[02:07] <opi> the_one: vfat
[02:08] <the_one> when mounting /dev/sda        /media/CASIO    vfat    rw,user,auto    0       0 with sudo mount /media/CASIO it gives me mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda,
[02:08] <the_one>        or too many mounted file systems
[02:09] <Treenaks> the_one: you shouldn't mount /dev/sda but a partition
[02:09] <Treenaks> the_one: /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda2 or something
[02:10] <the_one> treenaks: what is the use of umask=022? isn't ntfs    ro,user,auto enough for properly mounting of ntfs?
[02:16] <Treenaks> the_one: yes it is enough
[02:16] <Treenaks> the_one: umask is not necessary
[02:16] <the_one> treenaks: I couldn't find an explanation of what it stands for, just want to learn a little.
[02:17] <Treenaks> the_one: a good explanation of umask is in the bash manual I think
[02:17] <Treenaks> or the builtins one
[02:17] <Falstius> for a portable camera, using LABEL=CAMERA works better that /dev/sda?
[02:17] <Treenaks> Falstius: use /dev/camera and udev rules
[02:18] <the_one> when I unplugged the camera and plugged it again it automatically mounted but with a different path, not the one im my fstab, should I remove it's entry completelly from fstab and let it automount each time with the path it wants?
[02:19] <Falstius> Treenaks, good point.  I should learn how to do that.
[02:19] <Treenaks> the_one: just let it automount
[02:19] <Treenaks> Falstius: first hit on google when searching for 'udev rules' :)
[02:20] <eruditus> hi - I downloaded a .deb package, and I don't know how to install it... It contains my printer drivers, which are not available from the servers...
[02:21] <the_one> I have an external usb 2,5 drive formatted in ntfs, will it automount with the proper settings when I connect it or do I have to set it in fstab?
[02:21] <the_one> since it's not fat, I'm wondering...
[02:22] <eruditus> hello?
[02:22] <opi> eruditus: dpkg -i package.deb
[02:22] <eruditus> opi, thank you very much :)
[02:26] <Falstius> I'm not in ubuntu at the moment to try this, but if I were to write a rule to have my camera always set to /dev/camera would the ubuntu automount still work?  It would mount it as I specify in fstab?
[02:27] <eruditus> opi, thank you very much. I've been fighting with that package for a week now :)...
[02:27] <BenZ|iBook> how do you check if DMA is enabled on a disk?
[02:28] <opi> eruditus: you're welcome
[02:30] <oferw> lulu: hi
[02:32] <the_one> treenaks: thanks for the help, it didn't allow me to access my partitions with my settings, it said I don't have apropriate permissions, but it works with umask=022
[02:33] <the_one> I set it up with umask=022,ro,auto
[02:34] <the_one> bye
[02:54] <berantl> Anyone out there using a bluetooth keyboard?
[02:55] <ondrej> I upgraded to hoary and then downgraded to warty and all programs using FAM have problem, they write: failed to find gam_server
[02:55] <ondrej> failed to exec (null)
[02:55] <ondrej> Failed to connect to socket /tmp/fam-ondrej-
[02:55] <ondrej> failed to find gam_server
[02:55] <ondrej> failed to exec (null)
[02:58] <krism> *sigh* every time i install bitchx, i forget to turn the auto away crap off
[02:58] <berantl> I've been unable to get mine to work under ubuntu, while it worked fine with debian unstable
[02:59] <iainm> ondrej, is the ubuntu-desktop package installed?
[02:59] <krism> has anybody been able to get pine to compile on ubuntu?
[02:59] <ondrej> iainm: no, but I miss only totem-gstream and xfree86-driver-synaptics from dependencies
[02:59] <Majestic|Linux> anyone here using another windows manager other than gnome?
[02:59] <alakdan> anybody got some links on where I could download the 2.6.9 kernel package for ubuntu?
[03:01] <pdamoc> hello
[03:01] <iainm> ondrej, I believe ubuntu-desktop should always be installed
[03:01] <pdamoc> I need some help setting the locale in Hoary
[03:02] <pdamoc> I tried "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and it says that the locale is brocken
[03:04] <ondrej> iainm: ubuntu-desktop is only meta package (you can check it by dpkg -L ubuntu-desktop), so there is no problem running ubuntu without it
[03:04] <seb128> $ apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop
[03:04] <seb128> ...
[03:05] <foxfuz> hi
[03:05] <seb128> It is safe to remove this package if some of the desktop system packages are
[03:05] <seb128>  not desired.
[03:07] <ondrej> it seems that program tries connect to "/tmp/fam-ondrej-" (ECONNREFUSED) then tries to open /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server (ENOENT)
[03:08] <seb128> apt-get install gamin
[03:08] <ondrej> seb128: E: Package gamin has no installation candidate
[03:08] <seb128> which distribution are you using ?
[03:09] <ondrej> warty
[03:09] <Kamion> sounds like you must have pieces from hoary
[03:09] <ondrej> (but I upgraded to hoary and then downgraded to warty again)
[03:09] <ondrej> using apt/preferences
[03:09] <seb128> ok, so you upgraded gnome-vfs/nautilus to a new version that's built with libgamin0 apparently
[03:09] <Kamion> sounds like an incomplete downgrade then :-)
[03:10] <zenwhen> hey Kamion
[03:10] <Kamion> zenwhen: hi, I looked for you when I appeared this morning but you weren't around
[03:10] <Kamion> what did you need?
[03:11] <ondrej> Kamion: 'Package: * Pin: release a=warty Pin-Priority: 1001' should do it's job...  I think
[03:11] <Kamion> ondrej: I've never trusted /etc/apt/preferences particularly, since I don't understand it
[03:11] <pdamoc> I've upgraded my Warty to Hoary and I keep  getting locales errors... how do I fix that?
[03:11] <Kamion> ondrej: it sounds like it manifestly didn't do what you expected in your case
[03:11] <zenwhen> Is there a chance you cool guys might add gnome-ppp to the default Ubuntu install?
[03:12] <alakdan> anybody got some links on where I could download the 2.6.9 kernel package for ubuntu?
[03:12] <Kamion> zenwhen: that's not my bailiwick particularly; suggest it on ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[03:12] <zenwhen> Oh
[03:12] <zenwhen> cool
[03:12] <ondrej> Kamion: I think it did, because I have correct versions of everything.
[03:12] <the_one> hi again
[03:13] <ondrej> but there maybe some forgotten gnome-vfs plugin?
[03:13] <Kamion> ondrej: maybe something left in ~/.gnome* then?
[03:13] <seb128> ondrej: which version of libgnomevfs2-0 and nautilus ?
[03:13] <Kamion> plus your downgrade tactic won't remove "obsolete" (a.k.a. new in hoary) packages
[03:13] <Kamion> you'd need to run aptitude or dselect and remove obsolete/local packages for that
[03:13] <seb128> yeah, libgamin0 has probably not been removed
[03:14] <Kamion> and libfam0c102 not put back
[03:14] <ondrej> gnome-vfs2: 2.8.2-0ubuntu1, nautilus: 2.8.1-0ubuntu1
[03:14] <Kamion> installing ubuntu-desktop from hoary should clear most of it up, I'd expect
[03:14] <Kamion> er, "ubuntu-desktop from warty" that is
[03:14] <the_one> I cannot mount my external dvd-writer, I have its entry in fstab as dev/scd0 but when I mount it it does nothing. How can I fin what is it's path? what should be the command to list all devices attached?
[03:14] <ondrej> seb128: you hit the nail on the head :-)
[03:14] <seb128> :)
[03:15] <ondrej> apt-get --purge install libfam0c102 seems to be what I needed
[03:15] <seb128> yeah
[03:15] <seb128> BTW why downgrading ?
[03:16] <ondrej> seb128: evo 2.1 had problem with remembering some configuration options (like Use authentication for SMTP)
[03:16] <the_one> anyone?
[03:16] <ondrej> libgamin0 Provides: libfam0c102, so it didn't get downgraded
[03:19] <Falstius> the_one: cat /proc/scsi/scsi will tell you all your scsi devices (/sdx)
[03:22] <lemsx1> ondrej, where can i read more about gamin? i know some people are having problems with that but if it's better than fam i'd like to at least give it a try
[03:23] <seb128> http://www.gnome.org/~veillard/gamin/
[03:23] <lemsx1> seb128, thanks
[03:23] <seb128> np
[03:28] <zenwhen> Kamion, I submitted my idea to the list.
[03:28] <zenwhen> :)
[03:30] <BeanDip> the_one "tail -f /var/log/messages" then you plug it in to the computer
[03:32] <neill> Has anyone had issues with serial ata on nvidia nforce 250gb boards?
[03:32] <neill> I get lots of spurious connected/disconnected events
[03:35] <WW> Is there an explanation somewhere of the "warty-updates" repository?  I don't have that in my sources.list.  It seemed to have appeared in discussions in the last month or so.
[03:36] <lhb_> has anyone gotten multisync and evolution plugin to work on ubuntu?
[03:37] <lhb_> warty or hoary?
[03:37] <lemsx1> lhb_, evo 1.x?
[03:37] <lhb_> lemsx1: 2
[03:37] <lemsx1> lhb_, multisync dislikes using more than 2 sync sources
[03:37] <lemsx1> lhb_, multisync doesn't work with evo2 yet... i'm waiting for the same thing
[03:38] <lhb_> lemsx1: the cvs version does but i cant get it to compile
[03:38] <lemsx1> lhb_, i mean, unless you know something i don't... i'm about to write a Perl script to do this for me :-D
[03:38] <lemsx1> lhb_, getting something to compile is easy... cvs works you say? i'll give it a try later then
[03:39] <angie> hi there
[03:39] <lhb_> lemsx1: cool, i think i have installed the required libs but still get errors
[03:40] <angie> any help for setting NAT (sharing dsl connection) in Ubuntu? i have multiple NICs
[03:40] <WW> Anybody?  Why "warty-updates"?  Why not just update the packages in main, restricted, and universe directly?
[03:42] <Kamion> we don't want to change distributions after we release them; the updates are optional
[03:42] <Kamion> if we changed warty directly we'd have to release new CD images, etc. => hassle
[03:43] <angie> so no advices for NAT in ubuntu?
[03:44] <WW> Kamion: So non-security related bug fixes (if there are any) would go in warty-updates?
[03:45] <Kamion> right
[03:45] <Kamion> I think :-)
[03:46] <spiritz> any ibm T42 user around?
[03:46] <WW> Kamion: I installed Ubuntu pre-release.  I stumbled across "warty-updates" in the forums.  Is there an official announcement or description of it on the web page somewhere?
[03:46] <WW> Kamion: (I tried searching the web page, but nothing showed up.)
[03:46] <Kamion> not sure, I'm afraid
[03:48] <WW> Kamion: Do you know if the sources.list in the final release includes warty-updates (probably commented out if it does)?
[03:48] <the_one> I have no sound while playing dvd's in ubuntu, with either xine or mplayer, oss or alsa, can't get it to work. Anybody else got the same problem? Any workarounds?
[03:48] <agenteo> I've installed the mozilla suite, now the default browser is mozilla instead of firefox! Why? It didn't ask to me. And if I go in Computer -> Desktop preferences -> Applications the default browser is still mozilla firefox!!
[03:49] <agenteo> :-\ someone can help me?
[03:50] <Kamion> WW: no, there's a bug about that
[03:50] <the_one> when trying to play dvd's with mplayer, I get many windows popping up rapidly saying alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: no such file or directory
[03:50] <angie> the_one: try with sudo alsa-config
[03:51] <angie> mmhh sorry sudo alsaconf
[03:51] <the_one> ok, will try
[03:51] <the_one> command not found
[03:52] <angie> and check the volumes with alsamixer
[03:52] <the_one> angie: sudo alsaconf or alsa-config are not working
[03:54] <[Bas] > the_one, do you have sound at all? or just not in xine and mplayer?
[03:54] <the_one> I have sound with mp3 and video files
[03:54] <the_one> just not with dvds
[03:55] <[Bas] > the_one, you can try running mplayer with esd:  mplayer -oa esd dvd://
[03:55] <[Bas] > eum -ao that is
[03:56] <the_one> bas: i I tried with oss and esd also, no success
[04:00] <agenteo> solved I've had changed with update-alternatives, someone has experienced this problem?
[04:00] <Buzzz> is mono in hoary?
[04:01] <Buzzz> or do I have get it from universe?
[04:01] <Rob|Linux> just installed ubuntu
[04:03] <Gwildor_> what is the url for the ubuntu forums?, its not on the ubuntu homepage ne more
[04:04] <Rob|Linux> www.ubuntu.com can help
[04:04] <[Bas] > Gwildor_, http://ubuntuforums.org/
[04:04] <spiritz> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/forums
[04:04] <kent> http://ubuntuforums.org/
[04:04] <Gwildor_> thnx guys
[04:05] <charlesbc> I want to install a package, but apt-get tells me it is obsolete. Though there's no other package currently available to replace it. Is there a way I could still install it?
[04:05] <spiritz> download it
[04:05] <spiritz> or get it from /var/cache......
[04:05] <spiritz> and type dpkg -i packagename.deb
[04:06] <Treenaks> charlesbc: which package?
[04:07] <charlesbc> noteedit
[04:07] <Treenaks> what does it do?
[04:07] <charlesbc> though if the package is too outdated, I'll compile it myself.
[04:07] <Treenaks> charlesbc: do you have universe/multiverse in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[04:07] <charlesbc> It's a music notation editor, midi editing in the classical music notation style.
[04:08] <charlesbc> yes
[04:08] <Treenaks> charlesbc: hmmm
[04:08] <Treenaks> charlesbc: did you run apt-get update?
[04:08] <charlesbc> yup
[04:09] <charlesbc> Treenaks: why, were you able to install it?
[04:09] <Treenaks> can't try now.. not at home
[04:09] <charlesbc> ah ok :)
[04:09] <Treenaks> charlesbc: but noteedit is in the ubuntu archive
[04:10] <Treenaks> charlesbc: so it should be apt-get installable
[04:11] <tux> w00t cd's are shipped
[04:11] <tux> good news, :))
[04:11] <Rob|Linux> My first run on Ubuntu just finish installation what should I do?
[04:11] <Rob|Linux> apt-get update? and then apt-get upgrade?
[04:12] <Treenaks> Rob|Linux: or use synaptic (the package manager) from the Computer menu
[04:12] <charlesbc> is the ubuntu archive online? (I'd like to take a look there as well)
[04:12] <the_one> rob:linux: apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade in order
[04:13] <maliks> HI! just a small query! I still havent got my freeCD! When can I expect it! thanks!
[04:13] <Rob|Linux> thanks the one
[04:13] <Rob|Linux> how often do I have to do that
[04:13] <the_one> rob-linux: np
[04:13] <Kamion> charlesbc: archive.ubuntu.com
[04:14] <charlesbc> ah, I found it already :)
[04:14] <the_one> Rob|Linux: every 2 weeks? 1 month? I don't know but it seems Ubuntu is updating frequently
[04:15] <Rob|Linux> so I do apt-get update, upgrade, dist-upgrade every 2 weeks for ex.
[04:15] <Tyche> Hello everyone
[04:15] <Treenaks> Rob|Linux: subscribe to the ubuntu-security-announce mailing list, and update when there's announcement..
[04:15] <charlesbc> but I wonder, when does a package become obsolete?
[04:15] <Tyche> Is there someone that can answer some apache/php questions?
[04:16] <Tyche> Treenaks: How do I subscribe to various Ubuntu mailing lists...I would be interested.
[04:16] <Kamion> charlesbc: apt views a package as obsolete when it's not provided by anything in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:16] <Rob|Linux> thanks
[04:16] <Kamion> and when it's also installed
[04:16] <Treenaks> Tyche: look on the website, it has links
[04:16] <Tyche> Treenaks: Thanks, Sorry, still new to this.
[04:16] <Treenaks> Tyche: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/lists
[04:16] <Rob|Linux> Treenaks: thanks , I'm running synaptic now lets see what i'll do
[04:17] <Tyche> I installed apache/php/mysql last night. Everything is running fine. Except, it is a little weird. When I goto localhost it brings up the index and if no index the file listing.
[04:17] <charlesbc> Kamion: so if I were to provide a source which does contain that package, it will fetch it?
[04:18] <Kamion> yeah
[04:18] <Tyche> But, when I hit the IP address from another computer on the network. I do not get the file listing, I have to type in the IP/index.php in order for it to come up...
[04:19] <charlesbc> I found the package here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/n/noteedit/
[04:27] <GFXstyLER> hi
[04:28] <GFXstyLER> i have a problem with anjuta in ubuntu
[04:28] <GFXstyLER> can someone help me ?
[04:28] <azeem> state your problem, otherwise nobody can tell
[04:28] <azeem> ...whether they could help you
[04:29] <GFXstyLER> the projects wont generate
[04:30] <GFXstyLER> it always says something with make
[04:31] <GFXstyLER> oh wait maybe i solved the problem :D
[04:32] <lemsx1> lhb, what errors do you get?
[04:32] <kent> is there any way to reconfigure /etc/network/interfaces to the way it was after installation? I kind of edited it useless :( Now i always get a failure when running /etc/init.d/network  :(
[04:32] <lemsx1> seb128, gamin works like a charm. installed/purged old fam/ and pkill nautilus... it takes 2mb of ram, but i can live with that :-D
[04:33] <the_one> has anybody tried novell linux desktop?
[04:33] <GFXstyLER> it says no make - no targets set or something like that
[04:33] <lemsx1> the_one, SuSe desktop
[04:33] <lemsx1> the_one, same thing
[04:33] <seb128> lemsx1: nice :)
[04:33] <the_one> lemsx1: well..rebranding
[04:33] <lemsx1> seb128, at least i didn't have to logout and login :-)
[04:34] <the_one> still, just curious how it looks and works
[04:34] <lemsx1> the_one, i haven't tried myself, but i guess you can find many reviews online for it
[04:34] <lemsx1> the_one, and that would be part of #ubuntu-offtopic :-)
[04:34] <lemsx1> the_one, no ofense to you of course... it's to avoid the noise here
[04:34] <the_one> lemsx1: np
[04:34] <scoon> so is anyone here using multimedia keys w/ gnome and if you are: Any problems ?
[04:35] <scoon> I have had one f'ing bit of a time getting the keys to work correctly.
[04:35] <scoon> but i think i have it down now
[04:37] <Gwildor_> #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:38] <WW> scoon: I used Computer->Desktop Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts, and was able to get a few of the extra button to do what they are labeled to do.
[04:39] <scoon> so do I, but I have bluetooth kbs and they don't match anything in xfree
[04:39] <scoon> or xorg for that matter.
[04:41] <kent> surely there must be a way to bring up the dialogs to edit the network that i got when installing ubuntu?  dpkg-reconfigure netbase does not :(
[04:41] <charlesbc> is there a way to contribute a newer version of a package?
[04:41] <xinel> anybody else here having java issues?
[04:41] <xinel> and by issues i mean pc freeze
[04:41] <{Fah-Q}> b
[04:42] <{Fah-Q}> er, hi :)
[04:43] <Gwildor_> hi
[04:47] <Tomcat_> Can I install Ubuntu on the same disk as WinXP Home?
[04:47] <mjr> yes, but on a separate disk partition
[04:47] <Tomcat_> Yeah, that's alright.
[04:48] <Tomcat_> I just read that WinXP home doesn't have Dynamic Disk Support...
[04:48] <Tomcat_> And the article writer concluded that without this, the disk was only usable in Win2k and XP.
[04:49] <Tomcat_> (I guess he never heard of Linux)
[04:53] <eclipse> fgfg
[04:54] <RageMax> is nautilus crashing constantly for anyone else using hoary?
[04:54] <mjr> tomcat, the writer is clueless
[04:54] <mjr> Dynamic Disk support is more likely to screw other operating systems over ;)
[04:54] <Tomcat_> When a site is called "winsupersite.com", you can guess that. :D
[04:56] <Tomcat_> I guess that means my new laptop could also have WinXP Home. :>
[04:57] <Tyche> Bah, XP!
[04:57] <Tyche> =)
[04:57] <Tomcat_> Unfortunately I need some kind of Windows, and Win2k seems a bit old now. :o
[04:57] <Tomcat_> But I'll probably stay on Ubuntu much more. :>
[04:57] <Tyche> I know, I still require windows....although I hate it more and more each day.
[04:58] <Tyche> Guess, I need to quit playing my games...and then I could be 100% linux at home. =)
[04:58] <Tomcat_> I tried to switch a few months ago... then Ubuntu trashed my partition table, so I stopped. :o
[04:58] <Tomcat_> Yeah. :>
[04:59] <Tyche> I'm looking for an apache irc channel.
[04:59] <GFXstyLER> hi
[04:59] <poin__t> hey guys
[04:59] <Tyche> I tried one called #directory that I googled and it is empty...doesn't seem right.
[04:59] <Tyche> point__t Hey there
[04:59] <GFXstyLER> how can i make ubuntu play video files correctly?
[04:59] <poin__t> anyone use lvm\2 with online resize and\or snapshots?
[04:59] <Tyche> What type?
[05:00] <GFXstyLER> they are always played very slow or very fast, but not normal
[05:00] <GFXstyLER> every type :D
[05:00] <Tyche> GFXstyLER: Oh, not sure, what app?
[05:00] <mjr> GFXstyLER, funny; but try installing totem-xine instead the gstreamer variety
[05:00] <GFXstyLER> totem and xmms
[05:00] <GFXstyLER> ok
[05:00] <mjr> instead of
[05:01] <GFXstyLER> but i have to remove "ubuntu-desktop" for it, sure this isnt bad?
[05:01] <azeem> depends
[05:01] <mjr> it isn't
[05:02] <GFXstyLER> ok .. too late :D
[05:02] <poin__t> GFXstyLER: what kind of machine are you using? processor, etc
[05:02] <aaroncuk> hi guys
[05:02] <mjr> well, make a note that you might want to reinstall ubuntu-desktop when upgrading to hoary, so that if something is added to ubuntu-desktop, you'll get it ;)
[05:02] <GFXstyLER> amd athlon xp 3200+ , 512 mb ddr ram, geforce fx 5700 ultra
[05:02] <aaroncuk> can someone spare a minute for a newbie lol
[05:03] <ironwolf> aaroncuk: Whatcha need?
[05:03] <aaroncuk> need to know how to set mpd as a system service so it autoruns on boot
[05:04] <kent> My brother gets a failure when running /etc/init.d/network. Ok, so no one know how to reconfigure ut (not by using gnome, since that wont help). is there any way to find out exactly whats going wrong? dhcp logs etc??
[05:04] <GFXstyLER> hmm... ok very bad synaptic does not find the lists anymore
[05:04] <GFXstyLER> oh ok, i had it run 2 times :D sorry
[05:05] <ironwolf> aaroncuk: I'd setup /etc/init.d/mpd and link it to /etc/rc2.d/S99mpd
[05:05] <GFXstyLER> ok, now video files are only blue
[05:05] <GFXstyLER> no screen anymore :D
[05:05] <aaroncuk> how do i do that lol, i used ubuntu for the first time yesterday lol
[05:06] <scoon> xinel: no, and i use tiger
[05:06] <ironwolf> aaroncuk: *let me re-check mpd* one minute
[05:06] <aaroncuk> the guys over at #mpd have helped loads but im still crap lol
[05:06] <mjr> GFXstyLER, hmh, that's actually a known bug in XFree, try to quit totem and restart it
[05:06] <mjr> should work on the second try ;)
[05:07] <ironwolf> aaroncuk: what's mpd do?
[05:07] <aaroncuk> its remotely controlled mp3 daemon
[05:07] <aaroncuk> http://www.musicpd.org
[05:08] <GFXstyLER> ok it works now
[05:08] <GFXstyLER> thanks guys :D
[05:08] <ironwolf> aaroncuk: Do you have a /etc/init.d/mpd  file?
[05:08] <aaroncuk> hmm lemme see
[05:08] <GFXstyLER> BUT, because gstreamer isnt installed anymore, do i get any problems now?
[05:09] <mjr> GFXstyLER, gstreamer is still installed, it's just that totem doesn't use it anymore
[05:09] <mjr> (so no ;)
[05:09] <aaroncuk> ive done an ls command and there is no mpd in innit.d
[05:09] <GFXstyLER> oh, sorry
[05:09] <ironwolf> aaroncuk: did you apt-get install mpd ?
[05:09] <aaroncuk> no.. had to build and install it manually
[05:10] <ironwolf> aaroncuk: any reason apt-get didn't work for ya? *curiosity*
[05:10] <aaroncuk> never tried it, the guys at mpd talked me through doing it manually
[05:10] <boldii> hi
[05:10] <ironwolf> try apt-get install mpd
[05:11] <ironwolf> or sudo -s apt-get install mpd
[05:11] <boldii> just installed ubuntu, I have to say: nice work.
[05:11] <aaroncuk> i dont want to overwrite my current install , just got it working lol
[05:11] <Tyche> boldii: Oh yea!
[05:11] <GFXstyLER> only a question: does it slow down the system in general if the ati drivers arent installed? because the 3d acceleration isnt working
[05:12] <ironwolf> aaroncuk: try saving your config files.  If you overwrite them in the apt-get install, then restore them.
[05:12] <boldii> I even like gnome even though I never thought I would as a 4 year kde user ;)
[05:12] <boldii> a bit different but nice ...
[05:12] <aaroncuk> ok ironwolf.. will do that now
[05:13] <ironwolf> aaroncuk: think of it this way, if apt-get blows up, you already know how to fix it, but if apt-get works, you have a much easier time next time.
[05:13] <aaroncuk> yeah
[05:13] <aaroncuk> it cant find anything under mpd justs brings snmpd.
[05:13] <boldii> what are recommend sources for my sources.list ?
[05:14] <ironwolf> boldi: I recommend universe. :)
[05:14] <ironwolf> aaroncuk: do you have universe in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[05:15] <boldii> yor mean the ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED?
[05:16] <ironwolf> boldi: yeah, but I live dangerously.  I'm running hoary, with universe and multi-verse and I'm not seeing any problems at all.
[05:16] <boldii> btw. wasn t the 2.6.8.1 kernel the kernel that had problems with cd burners?
[05:16] <scoon> boldii: yes
[05:16] <aaroncuk> they were commented they arent now lol
[05:16] <boldii> ironwolf, well, I ran gentoo ~x86 for 2 years ;)
[05:17] <scoon> boldii: not a problem with cdburners but a tightening of device perms
[05:17] <boldii> so, what is the debian way for getting new kernel?
[05:17] <ironwolf> boldi: not very familiar with gentoo.  With ubuntu, universe seems a safe bet.  Multiverse... is more fun, but less safe.
[05:17] <ironwolf> aaroncuk: apt-get update ; apt-get install mpd
[05:17] <scoon> boldii: well, i too switched from gentoo, and the way I do it is the same way i did it in gentoo.
[05:17] <boldii> ironwolf, well, at the end gentoo broke my glibc, and thats why I am here ;)
[05:18] <azeem> what's the difference in multiverse vs. universe WRT stability?
[05:18] <boldii> scoon, get them from kernel.org ?
[05:18] <scoon> boldii: go to kernel.org and get a vanilla one, and then if you want to beat the new cd perms, get a patchset (i use -ck)
[05:18] <azeem> I thought the difference is just about freeness?
[05:18] <ironwolf> azeem: ANYTHING GOES in multiverse.
[05:18] <azeem> ironwolf: eh?
[05:18] <scoon> boldii: http://www.kernel.org
[05:18] <azeem> only non-free stuff I thought
[05:18] <rasher> can anyone help me configure a linux-wlan-ng device? I have the exact same problem as http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-November/009813.html
[05:18] <azeem> while anything from Debian main goes into universe
[05:18] <azeem> (which builds)
[05:19] <ironwolf> azeem: the way it was described to me, multiverse has things like mplayer, etc.  things that don't get into universe.  I guess I'm unsure what the stability difference is.
[05:19] <GFXstyLER> i have wlan problems too (i cant find a driver for bcm4301 , seems it does not exist)
[05:19] <boldii> scoon, ok, but isn t there a way to get it via apt-get? btw where is the grub.conf file?
[05:20] <ironwolf> azeem:  I know that warty is considered stable and hoary is considered in development.
[05:20] <scoon> boldii: yes, i guess so, but i like using the -ck patches and I already had a .config for my kernel.
[05:20] <scoon> boldii: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:20] <GFXstyLER> how can i activate sharing of files in a network in ubuntu? i have to transfer data from my pc -> notebook but i dont know how
[05:20] <Kamion> ironwolf: universe and multiverse carry about the same stability guarantees (i.e. none)
[05:21] <rasher> GFXstyLER: maybe ndiswrapper could work?
[05:21] <ironwolf> Kamion: good to know.
[05:21] <scoon> boldii: gentoo always wanted a symlink for that when installed.
[05:21] <Kamion> ironwolf: the difference between the two is entirely freeness
[05:21] <scoon> boldii: may I ask why you switched ?
[05:21] <GFXstyLER> yes i read that it works with that but you have to compile and such and im new to linux so i dont know how do to :D
[05:21] <azeem> Kamion: is multiverse aimed at potentially including all of Debian's non-free, or just specific packages?
[05:21] <azeem> (modulo usual universe rules)
[05:22] <boldii> scoon, because gentoo break my glibc after two years of gentoo, so I thought: time for something new, and now I am here after two years gentoo and four years kde ;)
[05:22] <rasher> GFXstyLER: I think the required bits are in ubuntu, just install ndiswrapper-utils and do ndiswrapper -i DRIVER.inf
[05:22] <Kamion> azeem: I *think* anything we can distribute, but I haven't paid a great deal of attention to it
[05:23] <scoon> boldii: interesting, me as well.  i ran redhat since 1996 and then gentoo ~x86 for about 18 months.
[05:23] <GFXstyLER> ok thx rasher
[05:23] <Kamion> azeem: might well be just on-demand
[05:23] <scoon> boldii: so far i really like it.
[05:23] <scoon> boldii: of course i haven't even run this for a week.  but it has been a very good few days.
[05:24] <boldii> scoon, and I have to say I like apt-get really a lot, especially that I musn t wait so long for updates (I used debian before gentoo for a year, but it was a quite hairy knoppix hd install)
[05:24] <boldii> scoon, I have it for a few hours now.
[05:24] <boldii> scoon, you run gnome?
[05:24] <scoon> boldii: yes.
[05:24] <scoon> boldii: so far it has been pretty good.  have only had a couple of issues so far.  but nothing major.
[05:25] <boldii> scoon, well, I am used to kde. I just installed k3b and kdevelop, but I will use gnome I guess ...
[05:25] <scoon> boldii: you can get kde, it is in ubuntu,
[05:25] <GFXstyLER> brb
[05:26] <scoon> boldii: they also have openbox and xfrce
[05:26] <boldii> scoon, I know, but I somehow like gnome.
[05:26] <scoon> boldii: ah yes.  everyone usually does.
[05:26] <scoon> boldii: and the ubuntu tweaks make it look really good.  and work well
[05:27] <krischan> hello everyone.
[05:29] <krischan> I'd like to ask about Quake, if it's appropriate. I'd like resume gaming, but I'm totally unexperienced doing it on Linux. I've installed packages 'quake2' and 'quake2-data', but that doesn't seem to be enough to get the game running.
[05:29] <boldii> scoon, yeah, I just have to get my XF86Config-4 to run with 1280x1024 and then everything is ok. 1024x768 sucks ...
[05:31] <boldii> btw. how about the new firefox, when will it be in ubuntu, is there anything known?
[05:31] <azeem> Kamion: hmm, ok
[05:31] <Qton> I just installed Ubuntu with Finnish language and its a mix of English, Finnish and Swedish :D Could someone please tell me how to change the language? I prefer English anyway..
[05:31] <rasher> boldii: it is in hoary now, not sure if packages propagate to warty after the release.. I don't think so
[05:31] <lupus_> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/ I can see this page with firefox
[05:32] <lupus_> but wit apt-get Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Release  Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer)
[05:32] <crisp> boldii:  just upgrade it yoursefl if you want it badly
[05:32] <boldii> ok, thanks. so what about those ubuntu releases, when I have one I can update to the next without having to reinstall, right?
[05:33] <scoon> boldii: polly not until hoary.  altho I did create a local repository
[05:33] <scoon> boldii: and was apble to apt-get it into my stable warty.
[05:33] <ironwolf> boldii: I updated to hoary without re-installing.
[05:34] <boldii> I see I have to read the faq a bit to see what hoary and warty is ^^
[05:35] <ironwolf> boldi: warty is 4.10 it's currently released, hoary is 5.04 and it's currently under development *think unstable in debian*
[05:36] <dataw0lf> wow, that's a big vn jump.
[05:36] <boldii> ok, so what I have is warty =)
[05:36] <boldii> dataw0lf, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/version-numbers
[05:37] <dataw0lf> ah.
[05:37] <dataw0lf> interesting.
[05:40] <GFXstyLER> hi again
[05:40] <GFXstyLER> ok i installed ndiswrapper-tools now and copied the wlan drivers
[05:41] <GFXstyLER> but how do i use them now?
[05:42] <boldii> how can I reset the translation of ubuntu to the english one?
[05:43] <Keybuk> boldii: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[05:43] <Keybuk> (I think that's right :p)
[05:44] <boldii> yeah, thanks.
[05:44] <azeem> and choose a different language at the login screen
[05:45] <azeem> Wow, Jim Gettys :)
[05:48] <GFXstyLER> ok i installed the bcmwl5.inf driver with ndiswrapper now, and how can i use it for the wlan card now? please this is urgent :D
[05:48] <boldii> can I get the nonfree nvidia drivers with ubuntu via apt-get?
[05:48] <kent> boldii, yes. Read the information on the homepage.
[05:49] <cardador> kent: do you know when the new nvidia driver will be available?
[05:49] <rasher> GFXstyLER: it should magically show up in the network configuration thing when you try to add a new device.. I think
[05:50] <GFXstyLER> nope
[05:50] <rasher> hm
[05:50] <rasher> dunno, haven't actually used it myself
[05:50] <GFXstyLER> do i have to reboot?
[05:50] <kent> cardador, when the next Ubuntu is released? They cant change packages in a stable release,  can they? well, bugfixes is one thing, but new versions is not possible, i think..
[05:50] <boldii> thanks kent.
[05:51] <cardador> kent: i meant on hoary
[05:51] <kent> cardador, oh. I dont use Hoary, i use the stable Ubuntu. In hoary i have no clue,
[05:52] <cardador> kent: ok thanks
[05:52] <boldii> I think I will install ubuntu on my laptop =)
[05:52] <GFXstyLER> hmmm.... ill try to look up google, maybe there's some information about bcm4301
[05:55] <boldii> is /usr/src/ the right place for putting the kernel sources? I mean becuase there are none?
[05:56] <scoon> boldii: yea sure.
[05:56] <scoon> boldii: it doesn't really matter tho.  you just need to sudo make modules_install && sudo make install
[05:57] <scoon> boldii: if you use the nvidia drivers, the installer looks for the /usr/src/linux symlink, so I just keep my kernel in /usr/src
[05:57] <ironwolf> cardador: kent: I'm using hoary, it's pretty fluid.  new versions, etc.
[05:57] <cardador> ironwolf: im using it also.
[05:58] <FTTP> hi!
[05:58] <cardador> ironwolf: just wanted to know when will the new nvidia driver be available. its already on debian unstable.
[05:58] <deFrysk> read this for nvida and other drivers: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:58] <cardador> ironwolf: i want to get more frames per second on counter strike source :)
[05:58] <deFrysk> nvidia
[05:59] <FTTP> bugzilla uses digital cert?
[05:59] <FTTP> thawte shows :)
[05:59] <ironwolf> cardador: good luck. :)
[05:59] <cardador> ironwolf: for what?
[05:59] <FTTP> its funny that bugzilla requires a digital cert, goes back to the founders roots :)
[05:59] <ironwolf> cardador: for more frames/sec
[06:00] <cardador> ironwolf: i read somewhere that it actually provides +10 fps
[06:00] <kent> ironwolf, most people dont need a "pretty fluid" system. I want a desktop that works all the time, i want to be sure that no new package breaks my system tomorrow. When Hoary is due to be released, i *might* use it to test for bugs, but not as a desktop.
[06:00] <FTTP> ok bugzilla is working
[06:00] <FTTP> that was unusual :P
[06:01] <FTTP> are any of you ubuntu developers?
[06:01] <FTTP> i have a couple of questions/pointers
[06:01] <cardador> kent: just curiosity, you didnt come from debian sid, did you? :)
[06:01] <FTTP> hi kent
[06:02] <ironwolf> kent: everybody's looking for different things.  I'm glad you're enjoying warty. :)
[06:02] <FTTP> ironwolf:  it looks good :)
[06:02] <FTTP> ironwolf:  Warty has no config options in graphical tho for equipment and hardware
[06:03] <FTTP> like with stormix you had the storm administration system (which was also based on debian)
[06:03] <FTTP> i miss stormix, that had so much potential
[06:03] <FTTP> ubuntu reminds me alot of stormix
[06:03] <FTTP> but without the tools for hardware
[06:03] <azeem> hardware should just work[tm] 
[06:03] <azeem> no need for configuration :)
[06:04] <FTTP> azeem:  Yes it works fine...........
[06:04] <FTTP> azeem:  On the livecd
[06:04] <FTTP> azeem:  So in the old days of debian, it didnt autoconfig the hardware?
[06:04] <FTTP> azeem what happens if you get new hardware tho
[06:04] <azeem> back in '93?
[06:05] <azeem> no
[06:05] <FTTP> azeem during the days of stormix
[06:05] <FTTP> not back in 93
[06:05] <azeem> no idea about stormix
[06:05] <FTTP> you remmeber stormix?
[06:05] <azeem> eh, I know the name
[06:05] <FTTP> it was debian based
[06:05] <FTTP> azeem:  well even with fedora and suse for example
[06:05] <azeem> so
[06:06] <azeem> what's your problem specifically?
[06:06] <FTTP> azeem:   no problem just some pointers
[06:06] <FTTP> azeem are you a ubuntu developer?
[06:06] <azeem> no
[06:06] <azeem> pointers to what?
[06:06] <FTTP> ok
[06:06] <boldii> >> You must install ncurses-devel in order to use 'make menuconfig' . but there is no ncurses-devel and no ncurses?
[06:06] <Kamion> libncurses5-dev
[06:06] <azeem> boldii: libncurses5-dev
[06:06] <FTTP> azeem:  Like there is no setting to change my monitor in ubuntu
[06:06] <azeem> damn
[06:07] <azeem> FTTP: you can change the resolution via the GNOME preferences
[06:07] <boldii> thanks.
[06:07] <FTTP> azeem:  SUSE and Fedora have my monitor in a list
[06:07] <azeem> FTTP: why would you change your monitor to something else than it is?
[06:07] <kent> cardador, i Have used debian unstable before, and it works most of the time, but time to time it fucks up the system, and thats not fun. And its the same for every unstable system, be it fedora or ubuntu.  Some people might like it, but most people should not.
[06:07] <FTTP> azeem:  Right but......... what im saying is i should be able to choose monitor from a list ......... it doesnt configure my monitor right, since i can go to high refresh rates and different resolutions
[06:07] <Kamion> for most hardware we'd prefer to use the hotplug subsystem, which is zero-configuration
[06:07] <azeem> FTTP: that's a bug then
[06:07] <Kamion> 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' to fiddle monitor settings
[06:08] <FTTP> kamion are you a developer?
[06:08] <daniels> FTTP: the problem with monitor lists is that they tend to be woefully incomplete
[06:08] <azeem> FTTP: why do you need to talk to developers? The community should be able to help you
[06:08] <daniels> FTTP: especially as many people tend to take monitors and oem them, and strip them of all identifying information
[06:08] <daniels> FTTP: we weighed up both alternatives and going with autodetection has been the best so far
[06:08] <FTTP> azeem well i want people who are working on the os, i guess you all are community :)
[06:09] <cardador> kent: i use ubuntu hoary at work, no problems until now :)
[06:09] <FTTP> daniels yeah its very nice dont get me wrong
[06:09] <FTTP> daniels  i like it ALOT
[06:09] <Kamion> FTTP: as it happens yes, but as azeem says I'd hope that's irrelevant
[06:09] <FTTP> heh
[06:09] <FTTP> it kinda is i guess
[06:09] <FTTP> lol
[06:09] <rasher> curiosity is powerful
[06:10] <FTTP> kamion:  See i came from the distros which had the lists and its just what im used to
[06:10] <Kamion> FTTP: note that developers often have very specialised areas of expertise, so unless you know what those are up-front it's often just as good to direct your question to the channel in general
[06:10] <FTTP> even tho when u select the monitor, sometimes its wrong too
[06:10] <azeem> FTTP: well, change to the Ubuntu way!
[06:10] <Kamion> FTTP: my expertise doesn't include anything to do with monitors :-)
[06:10] <FTTP> kamion gotcha
[06:10] <azeem> actually, coming from Windows, your perception might be even much more off
[06:11] <FTTP> azeem no actually i used distros like slackware and old redhat versions and suse, etc...
[06:11] <FTTP> im not new to linux
[06:11] <azeem> yeah, I realized
[06:11] <FTTP> i remember my slackware 3.0 which i learned on
[06:11] <FTTP> the days of walnut creek :P
[06:11] <azeem> I just say you should try Ubuntu without letting your perceptions of Linux distributions confuse you
[06:12] <FTTP> i did and i like it, it configured all my hardware correctly except it didnt give access to the monitor resolutions and the like
[06:12] <azeem> FTTP: as I said, you can change that through the GNOME system properties
[06:12] <FTTP> azeem its not on the list
[06:13] <azeem> that's a bug :)
[06:13] <Ruffian|JANE|> How do I dual boot XP and Ubuntu on 2 hard drives?
[06:14] <FTTP> azeem:  I like the startup menus and such.........  it also doesnt go into the kernel right away listing all those text based stuff... just a few lines before the screen comes up
[06:14] <GFXstyLER> *muahahahahahhaa
[06:14] <GFXstyLER> wlan is working ;)
[06:14] <GFXstyLER> thx guys
[06:14] <rasher> GFXstyLER: now you help me!
[06:14] <scoon> anyone here gconftool-2 pros ?
[06:14] <GFXstyLER> ok
[06:14] <GFXstyLER> whats your problem :D ?
[06:14] <FTTP> azeem:  are these stock gnome 2.8 or was this custom for ubuntu?
[06:15] <FTTP> azeem:  if u know :P
[06:15] <azeem> FTTP: what "those"?
[06:15] <rasher> GFXstyLER: wlan :) Well, nevermind, I think I'll just poke around on my own
[06:15] <FTTP> im just curious
[06:15] <FTTP> azeem:  The startup prompts for the livecd
[06:15] <GFXstyLER> maybe i can help you :)
[06:15] <FTTP> azeem:  like when you boot into it
[06:15] <azeem> FTTP: what does booting have to do with GNOME?
[06:15] <FTTP> azeem i dunno
[06:15] <FTTP> azeem good point
[06:16] <azeem> the GNOME boot splash is custom for Ubuntu, but that is quite obvious from the 'Ubuntu' that's on it :)
[06:17] <FTTP> azeem:  With fedora and suse too many of the internals are showing
[06:17] <FTTP> err fedora
[06:17] <FTTP> suse i think hides it actually
[06:17] <FTTP> azeem:  For desktop tho fedora is too wieldy
[06:17] <FTTP> and redhat is too commerical IMHO
[06:18] <azeem> I've never used either Fedora nor SuSE, so I cannot comment
[06:18] <FTTP> azeem:  See alot of distros have their own software outside of gnome......... ubuntu uses gnome for everything
[06:19] <azeem> they use synaptic for package management, e.g.
[06:19] <FTTP> no i mean....... thats visable to the end user
[06:19] <FTTP> see we just see everything in gnome and there isnt a seperate section of like yast2 or whatnot
[06:19] <azeem> synaptic is for end users, really
[06:20] <FTTP> azeem is that in gnome?
[06:20] <azeem> synaptic is gtk2
[06:20] <FTTP> so it integrates with gnome?
[06:20] <azeem> somewhat GNOME-integrating
[06:20] <FTTP> azeem is it on the menu tho?
[06:20] <azeem> FTTP: also, they use Firefox, which is totally non-GNOME :P
[06:20] <FTTP> what does gnome come stock with?
[06:20] <azeem> FTTP: it's in the Computer->System configuration menu, AFAIK
[06:20] <azeem> epiphany
[06:20] <icecrash> salve
[06:20] <azeem> for web browsing
[06:20] <rasher> It is not, however, a part of the gnome suite of software afaik
[06:20] <FTTP> oh ok
[06:21] <azeem> rasher: epiphany is
[06:21] <FTTP> firebox is great tho
[06:21] <FTTP> much better
[06:21] <rasher> azeem: I meant synaptic
[06:21] <FTTP> oh
[06:21] <azeem> rasher: sure, as I said, it's not even a GNOME application
[06:21] <rasher> I'm just a tad slow :|
[06:21] <icecrash> i have a little problems with the ubuntu nameresolving settings
[06:21] <FTTP> rasher have u used suse or fedora?
[06:21] <rasher> FTTP: Nope
[06:21] <GFXstyLER> i dont like firefox
[06:21] <azeem> plus, synaptic doesn't do packages management on e.g. Solaris or *BSD, so it cannot be a GNOME desktop app by definition I guess
[06:21] <icecrash> have a desktop installation and apache2 running on it
[06:22] <icecrash> apache won't start up, because additional aliases on the localhost address cannot be resolved
[06:23] <FTTP> rasher what did u use before ubuntu? debian?
[06:23] <boldii> ok, making kernel now =)
[06:23] <FTTP> ubuntu is based off of debian so.......
[06:23] <FTTP> :P
[06:24] <xoxoxo> hello
[06:24] <rasher> FTTP: I still do. I just have Ubuntu on a laptop so far. Not sure if I'm going to switch more over.
[06:24] <xoxoxo> i first installed ubutu, but what is the default root password of ubuntu???
[06:24] <GFXstyLER> i used suse (2 days) then mandrake (3 days) then fedora core 2(1 day) and now ubuntu (4 days) and i think its the best of all
[06:24] <azeem> xoxoxo: there is none
[06:24] <azeem> xoxoxo: use sudo for administration
[06:24] <FTTP> gfx ok since u used em both
[06:24] <deFrysk> root = sudo <userpasswd>
[06:24] <azeem> xoxoxo: the initial user has full sudo priviledges
[06:25] <dargo> hi
[06:25] <xoxoxo> azeem, so i need to change the root password first?
[06:25] <FTTP> gfx:  you know how with suse that suse yast is kinda seperate from the gnome interface?
[06:25] <azeem> xoxoxo: no
[06:25] <deFrysk> xoxoxo, there is none
[06:25] <azeem> xoxoxo: you do not need the root password at all
[06:25] <rasher> GFXstyLER: well, I've been a debianite for the past 3 years, so I'm not going anywhere just yet :)
[06:25] <GFXstyLER> i never used gnome with suse
[06:25] <xoxoxo> you all mean i NEVER need to know root password?
[06:25] <azeem> xoxoxo: if you do "sudo <command>", just type *your* password if asked
[06:26] <azeem> xoxoxo: you cannot know it, as there is none
[06:26] <FTTP> gfx i never used kde with suse :P
[06:26] <FTTP> gfx well with kde also
[06:26] <azeem> xoxoxo: and you do not need it
[06:26] <GFXstyLER> im too stupid for debian :D tried to install it but failed
[06:26] <deFrysk> I never used suse
[06:26] <deFrysk> since 6.1
[06:26] <boldii> xoxoxo, but you could du "sudo passwd root"
[06:26] <azeem> GFXstyLER: the installation is mostly identicial
[06:26] <azeem> GFXstyLER: if you install sarge/testing, that is
[06:26] <GFXstyLER> yes but configuration seems hard to me
[06:26] <azeem> boldii: except you shouldn't
[06:27] <xoxoxo> boldii, sudo passwd root asked me the old password
[06:27] <boldii> azeem, I cannot live w/o root
[06:27] <rasher> if you *really* need a root prompt, sudo bash
[06:27] <xoxoxo> azeem, how come there is no root password? i want to config ubuntu the old way, like other debian system
[06:27] <Friczy> hi
[06:27] <deFrysk> sudo xterm
[06:28] <azeem> xoxoxo: use sudo
[06:28] <boldii> I don t like this sudo crap as I have other users except me on my pc ...
[06:28] <azeem> boldii: so?
[06:28] <deFrysk> xoxoxo, read the faq on the ubuntu page
[06:28] <kent> just edit /etc/passwd to get a normal root account.
[06:28] <GFXstyLER> sudo passwd root  would activate the root account
[06:28] <xoxoxo> so there is NEVER root on ubuntu???
[06:28] <azeem> xoxoxo: actually, you should configure your Debian system by using sudo as well
[06:28] <FTTP> gfx well always youve used yast with suse right?
[06:28] <xoxoxo> that is funny man
[06:28] <boldii> azeem, so anybody could open a root shell and do everything, as my user is the autologin user ...
[06:28] <GFXstyLER> yes i used yast
[06:28] <dataw0lf> ubuntu forcing you to use sudo is helping you learn good habits, bro.
[06:29] <GFXstyLER> but i think its a little slow
[06:29] <azeem> boldii: well, don't autologin then
[06:29] <xoxoxo> boldii, i think same
[06:29] <FTTP> gfx:  ok well in ubuntu there is no yast equivalent or is there?
[06:29] <FTTP> gfx:  Or does it just use whats built into gnome??
[06:29] <deFrysk> yast2 sucks
[06:29] <Friczy> boldii: but sudo asks for your password isnt it?
[06:29] <deFrysk> big time
[06:29] <GFXstyLER> i guess not
[06:29] <azeem> boldii: but do not tell people who come here to throw away Ubuntu design principles without at least thinking twice, please
[06:29] <xoxoxo> so anybody sits at the console can do anything on my machine without knowing my root password, right ????
[06:29] <azeem> Friczy: good point
[06:29] <Friczy> xoxoxo: no
[06:29] <boldii> azeem, sorry, didn t know that. I have figured out during install the sudo thing and hated it. ...
[06:29] <azeem> xoxoxo: they need to know *your* password
[06:29] <deFrysk> xoxoxo, ne he needs user passwd
[06:30] <Friczy> xoxoxo: if she knows your password
[06:30] <FTTP> gfx:  See i like to have the option of something like yast but integrated directly into gnome
[06:30] <dataw0lf> three different type of pronouns, that was interesting.
[06:30] <hypa7ia> lol, i think we need to have something in the /topic about the root pw thing
[06:30] <xoxoxo> azeem, you dont get my point. assuming i get out without logging out
[06:30] <FTTP> gfx:  With the same feature set i mean
[06:30] <dataw0lf> types*
[06:30] <GFXstyLER> yes
[06:30] <azeem> xoxoxo: xscreensaver
[06:30] <FTTP> gfx:  not the same yast program
[06:30] <xoxoxo> then people can sit at my console and do anyting
[06:30] <rasher> xoxoxo: you still need to type your password for sudo
[06:30] <GFXstyLER> but i dont like suse or yast in general
[06:30] <azeem> xoxoxo: otherwise, they can compromise your SSH and gnupg keys
[06:30] <Kamion> boldii: create a different user for autologin, or else configure /etc/sudoers appropriately for your setup
[06:30] <xoxoxo> azeem, if this is way ubuntu works, you dont understand about security at all
[06:30] <FTTP> gfx:  see with suse you have to go out of gnome and into yast...... everything should be done from gnome
[06:30] <rasher> xoxoxo: also, *don't* leave your computer open
[06:30] <azeem> xoxoxo: which isn't much better, no?
[06:31] <FTTP> gfx :  I dont like yast either
[06:31] <dataw0lf> xoxoxo: if you have a good password and physically secure your box, it shouldn't be a problem.
[06:31] <FTTP> gfx:  Im just saying i wish those features were incorporated into gnome and built into the gui too not the same way
[06:31] <xoxoxo> i can sometime forget to logout
[06:31] <boldii> Kamion, well, I will continue doing it the "su root" way, but thanks.
[06:31] <dataw0lf> I use a 12 character password for my normal user.
[06:31] <azeem> xoxoxo: and why wouldn't you leave a root shell open?
[06:31] <xoxoxo> for one or 2 mins, anybody can fsck up my machine
[06:31] <GFXstyLER> maybe in the next gnome version
[06:31] <Friczy> xoxoxo: then edit your sudoers file
[06:31] <Kamion> xoxoxo: never leave your machine without logging out or locking your screen; local root compromises are typically much easier than remote access compromises
[06:31] <rasher> xoxoxo: the thing is, they *still* need your password to sudo things
[06:32] <azeem> xoxoxo: plus, sudo has a timeout
[06:32] <azeem> xoxoxo: people will be asked your password again when they try sudo
[06:32] <FTTP> it seems like there are so many linux distros and constant development on apps coming from all
[06:32] <FTTP> so if its a bug in debian or ubuntu it still gets fixed :)
[06:32] <xoxoxo> ok, rasher, you mean i must provide root password for sudo? which password?
[06:32] <FTTP> for both too
[06:32] <rasher> xoxoxo: your own password
[06:32] <azeem> xoxoxo: you must provide *your* password
[06:32] <xoxoxo> my system now is in default config
[06:32] <azeem> xoxoxo: everybody else as well
[06:32] <rasher> xoxoxo: do you even know how sudo works?
[06:33] <xoxoxo> ok, sudo passwd root?
[06:33] <rasher> Why????
[06:33] <azeem> xoxoxo: that would be the way to re-enable the root account
[06:33] <GFXstyLER> what i dont get is why they say linux is only used 5% worldwide altough so many people use it
[06:33] <xoxoxo> then it asked the password. what to type in now?
[06:33] <azeem> xoxoxo: however, I suggest you try the sudo way for a while
[06:33] <Friczy> xoxoxo: for example: sudo bash
[06:33] <FTTP> gfx is it a bug when u do logoff it shuts down the computer?
[06:33] <Friczy> then system asks for your own password
[06:33] <azeem> xoxoxo: btw, Mac OS X works exactly the same
[06:33] <FTTP> or is that just on my machine
[06:34] <Kamion> GFXstyLER: 5% of the world is a lot of people
[06:34] <GFXstyLER> when i log off it doesnt shut down
[06:34] <FTTP> gfx really?
[06:34] <xoxoxo> ok guys, i changed my password now
[06:34] <GFXstyLER> yes
[06:34] <FTTP> gfx u using livecd?
[06:34] <azeem> FTTP: you got the livecd
[06:34] <GFXstyLER> no
[06:34] <FTTP> azeem yes
[06:34] <azeem> FTTP: it's different in the real thing
[06:34] <FTTP> azeem ok so the livecd does that tho right?
[06:34] <azeem> FTTP: yes
[06:35] <FTTP> azeem is that a bug or just how livecd works?
[06:35] <azeem> FTTP: that's how it works
[06:35] <xoxoxo> i have one more question: how about ubuntu kernel? vanilla or you patch it with smt?
[06:35] <FTTP> azeem seems kind of off logoff means shutdown tho :P
[06:35] <rasher> xoxoxo: congratulations, you just did what 10 people were trying to tell you is a bad idea
[06:35] <FTTP> azeem but i can install it now cause i like it :)
[06:35] <azeem> FTTP: which makes sense for livecds
[06:35] <FTTP> so i dont need livecd
[06:35] <FTTP> :)
[06:36] <xoxoxo> rasher, i got it. that is a little confused for the first time user ;)
[06:36] <GFXstyLER> are you installing warty or the beta?
[06:36] <FTTP> azeem well it should just be changed to shutdown, not logoff
[06:36] <azeem> FTTP: yeah, mabye
[06:36] <rasher> xoxoxo: but you shouldn't have done it....
[06:36] <azeem> eh
[06:36] <FTTP> azeem just needs the text changed to shutdown, its not really a bug i guess
[06:36] <FTTP> just wording :P
[06:36] <xoxoxo> rasher, not done what?
[06:36] <azeem> that's still a bug
[06:36] <FTTP> azeem so should i report it?
[06:36] <FTTP> lol
[06:36] <rasher> xoxoxo: changed the root password.. why did you do it?
[06:36] <xoxoxo> change root password?
[06:36] <azeem> just a minor one
[06:36] <azeem> FTTP: why not? Sounds reasonable to me
[06:36] <xoxoxo> rasher, why not?
[06:37] <azeem> rasher: 18:32 < xoxoxo> ok guys, i changed my password now
[06:37] <FTTP> azeem ill report it why not :P thats what linux is all about right ? :)
[06:37] <xoxoxo> what is bad with changing the rot password?
[06:37] <rasher> xoxoxo: you're not supposed to use the root account directly, only through sudo
[06:37] <azeem> xoxoxo: however, you are free to do whatever you want
[06:37] <Kamion> he's allowed to if he wants to
[06:37] <FTTP> azeem ill see if its there already
[06:37] <rasher> Of course
[06:37] <GFXstyLER> and why exactly shouldnt i use the root ?
[06:38] <azeem> GFXstyLER: you should only use your super-powers when you need them
[06:38] <GFXstyLER> noone except me is using this pc so that wouldnt be the point
[06:38] <azeem> having root shells open allude to using it for non-admin work
[06:38] <xoxoxo> hmm... so the default user can use sudo to run any privilege command?
[06:38] <rasher> This is all about a) best practices  b) personal preference
[06:38] <xoxoxo> is that the default configuration?
[06:38] <Friczy> GFXstyLER: dont run any program as root if it is not necessary
[06:38] <rasher> xoxoxo: yes, after typing your password
[06:38] <azeem> xoxoxo: yes
[06:38] <GFXstyLER> i dont use them much but i would like to use root instead of sudo, because i learned it like that
[06:38] <Friczy> GFXstyLER: if your program has a remote exploitable hole, then all of your system can be rooted
[06:38] <xoxoxo> ok you genious guys. now how about ubuntu kernel?
[06:39] <FTTP> in windows xp dont u also have to put in an admin password?
[06:39] <azeem> GFXstyLER: you just use Linux for a week though, right?
[06:39] <Kamion> xoxoxo: if you want to see the patches we've applied, 'apt-get source linux-source-2.6.8.1' and look in debian/patches/
[06:39] <GFXstyLER> i used it for a week now
[06:39] <FTTP> with su........ are u forced to put in an admin password?
[06:39] <FTTP> or is there no admin password on default install?
[06:39] <Kamion> su asks for the root password
[06:39] <Kamion> the root password is unset by default
[06:39] <GFXstyLER> but i will keep it ;) no need for windows anymore
[06:40] <xoxoxo> Kamion, i am getting it
[06:40] <FTTP> kamion:  people really should add the root
[06:40] <Friczy> I consider changing my opsys from debian to ubuntu. which is better? to dist-upgrade (from sarge) or reinstall from scratch?
[06:40] <Kamion> FTTP: why?
[06:40] <Treenaks> FTTP: no, they should not
[06:40] <azeem> GFXstyLER: what I mean is that you should be easily able to change your habits still :)
[06:40] <FTTP> kamion:  I remember back with corel linux this was a big debate they did it too
[06:40] <Treenaks> FTTP: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:40] <FTTP> thanks treenaks
[06:40] <Kamion> FTTP: we made this the default for a reason; people are certainly entitled to change it, but we think the default is appropriate
[06:40] <xoxoxo> anyway should i customize the source.list for better speed? i am in Japan now
[06:40] <azeem> FTTP: Lindows just had people *be Root* by default
[06:40] <azeem> FTTP: that's a huge difference
[06:40] <FTTP> azeem :  thats worse :P
[06:40] <xoxoxo> should be better to use the "local" repository?
[06:41] <GFXstyLER> azeem yes youre right
[06:41] <Kamion> xoxoxo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive
[06:41] <FTTP> kamion i guess we will see how it plays out :) with windows tho upon install u are asked for an admin password (for xp pro at least)
[06:42] <FTTP> and the admin password is the equivalent of root
[06:42] <xoxoxo> great. 2 bad there is no japan mirror
[06:42] <FTTP> kamion having no default set to root could be a security risk tho
[06:42] <Kamion> FTTP: we're not trying to be a copy of Windows; for other commercial comparisons, look to Mac OS X
[06:42] <FTTP> kamion how does macos x do it?
[06:42] <Kamion> FTTP: uh, no, the root account is *locked out* not open
[06:42] <daniels> FTTP: ... the way we do, incidentally ...
[06:42] <FTTP> oh
[06:42] <FTTP> ok
[06:42] <GFXstyLER> should i install an antivirus prog for linux?
[06:43] <FTTP> i never used mac os x
[06:43] <Friczy> GFXstyLER: if you use only linux then not necessary
[06:43] <xoxoxo> Kamion, i got source package, but where is debian/patches?
[06:43] <FTTP> daniels what is the upside and downside then ?
[06:43] <cardador> GFXstyLER: only if your linux box is a internet server for windows boxes
[06:43] <GFXstyLER> nope it isnt
[06:43] <Kamion> xoxoxo: inside the directory that just got unpacked under your current directory
[06:43] <FTTP> daniels: im prolly confused as to the issues involved
[06:43] <xoxoxo> Kamion, no. there is no such directory
[06:44] <FTTP> i know your no windows........
[06:44] <daniels> FTTP: upside -- sudo scales better than telling people a root password they're likely to forget anyway, it remembers stuff, it has an audit trail, it's more fine-grained, people don't do stuff like try to log in as root, you have to guess the account name *and* the password, not just the root password of 'superman' or whatever
[06:44] <Kamion> FTTP: we generally regard Windows to be a crawling security nightmare horror beast and especially avoid borrowing from it where anything to do with user privileges are concerned
[06:44] <Kamion> xoxoxo: it'll have unpacked a linux-source-2.6.8.1-2.6.8.1 directory
[06:44] <xoxoxo> Kamion, yes i saw that
[06:44] <daniels> FTTP: if we shipped with a wide-open root account, there'd be no point setting user passwords ;)
[06:44] <Kamion> xoxoxo: ... so look in there?
[06:44] <FTTP> kamion i agree with you
[06:45] <FTTP> daniels sounds fine....... if it works for mac os x then its a concept which works :)
[06:45] <xoxoxo> Kamion, mainly about driver patching?
[06:45] <FTTP> i guess ill fool around with it and see which of the 2 i like better :)
[06:46] <Kamion> xoxoxo: mostly, yeah, see debian/changelog too
[06:46] <FTTP> i never really used it but i remember people with corel linux were complaining their was no root account
[06:46] <xoxoxo> now should i get 2.6.9 from kernel.org, and compile myself?
[06:46] <FTTP> cause it was a security risk blah blah
[06:46] <cardador> daniels: i just want to thank about xorg and xcompmgr. but if i enable xcompmgr with all the shadows, fades, etc, X locks after a while.
[06:47] <daniels> cardador: thanks -- and yeah, that will likely happen
[06:47] <azeem> xoxoxo: why?
[06:47] <daniels> cardador: do you have two machines?
[06:47] <azeem> xoxoxo: what's wrong with 2.6.8.1
[06:47] <azeem> ?
[06:47] <Kamion> xoxoxo: entirely up to you
[06:47] <cardador> daniels: yes
[06:47] <xoxoxo> azeem, why what? 2.6.9 has smt 2.6.8 doesnt, right?
[06:47] <FTTP> SecurityWhile there are various advantages and disadvantages to this approach, compared with the traditional superuser model, neither is clearly superior overall
[06:47] <FTTP> this article explains it all
[06:47] <FTTP> thanks
[06:47] <daniels> cardador: well, if you want to install xserver-xorg-dbg and run that, you could log in from the other, attach gdb, and see where it hung if you wanted to be really, really useful
[06:47] <cardador> daniels: but only one with a good gfx card
[06:47] <azeem> xoxoxo: maybe, yeah
[06:47] <FTTP> yeah su is fine
[06:47] <azeem> xoxoxo: *shrug*, it's up to you
[06:47] <FTTP> its easy to add root
[06:47] <FTTP> its in the faq :P
[06:48] <cardador> daniels: ok ill try that
[06:48] <xoxoxo> azeem, that is for sure man. kernel changes very fast these day
[06:48] <daniels> cardador: thanks a lot :)
[06:48] <FTTP> it would be nice if root account addition could be in gnome tho
[06:48] <daniels> cardador: that would help us debug it
[06:48] <daniels> FTTP: ... why?
[06:48] <FTTP> daniels:  No i mean to add it
[06:48] <daniels> FTTP: why should normal people need to do it?
[06:48] <daniels> FTTP: yeah, but why?
[06:49] <xoxoxo> azeem, besides you must not heard about some kernel security bugs recently?
[06:49] <FTTP> daniels:  in case someone wants to log in, since ultimately someone wont have to use the textmode if possible
[06:49] <xoxoxo> you better upgrade your kernel asap
[06:49] <daniels> FTTP: why would people ever want to *log* *in* as root?
[06:49] <FTTP> daniels isnt it better to add functionality for everything for the gui so textmode isnt needed?
[06:49] <daniels> yeah, but only for things that make sense
[06:49] <Kamion> xoxoxo: we backport security patches to our kernels
[06:49] <FTTP> daniels:  i mean to add the root account
[06:49] <daniels> we could add a gnome applet to do rm -rf / also, but that isn't so generically useful :P
[06:50] <daniels> FTTP: i know you do, but I don't know why people would want to activate the root account
[06:50] <xoxoxo> Kamion, so what is the recommend kernel version now?
[06:50] <daniels> FTTP: instead of using sudo for all their management
[06:50] <cardador> daniels: wouldnt the new nvidia driver be helpfull on hoary?
[06:50] <FTTP> daniels:  So your assuming that your userbase wouldnt be using root right?
[06:50] <FTTP> daniels:  No i mean sudo
[06:50] <FTTP> sorry i got mixed up
[06:50] <daniels> FTTP: sudo is activated by default
[06:50] <Eludias> I'm thinking about switching to Ubuntu; does Ubuntu support Java-in-browser out of the 'box'?
[06:50] <Kamion> xoxoxo: depends on your point of view; we won't be changing the kernel version in Warty, instead we'll be backporting security patches to it
[06:50] <FTTP> is there a gnome front end to sudo?
[06:50] <daniels> what do you mean, 'gnome front end'?
[06:50] <ilmari> bonobo: java
[06:50] <bonobo> read the very good java wiki -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[06:50] <FTTP> do you have to go into text to use sudo?
[06:50] <Friczy> FTTP: yes. from the terminal :D
[06:50] <Kamion> gksudo
[06:50] <xoxoxo> Kamion, so what package i should upgrade to now?
[06:51] <daniels> FTTP: if you want to launch an app as root, no
[06:51] <daniels> that's what gksudo is for
[06:51] <daniels> pops up a little dialog box asking for your password
[06:51] <Kamion> xoxoxo: if you're updating/upgrading regularly from warty-security you should have no further concerns
[06:51] <FTTP> ahhh there is gksudo
[06:51] <FTTP> ok
[06:51] <FTTP> thats what i wanted to know :P
[06:51] <Friczy> I consider changing my opsys from debian to ubuntu. which is better? to dist-upgrade (from sarge) or reinstall from scratch?
[06:51] <bobalien> has anyone run into the problem with Firefox not accessing the web properly the first couple of times you try to load a page - I've read the forum posts about ipv6, but when i disable that I can't get internet at all - also, the system clock sync at startup hangs, probably due to the same problem
[06:51] <xoxoxo> Kamion, i suppose that "apt-get upgrade" is enough ?
[06:52] <Kamion> xoxoxo: for warty-security, should be, yeah
[06:52] <FTTP> daniels and thats part of ubuntu right?
[06:52] <FTTP> or i guess u can apt-get it :P
[06:52] <bobalien> i've got a broadcom 4400 ethernt card, which i got an RPM for off broadcom's site, alien'd to a .deb and ran, but i'm a newb and not sure if that's all you need to install drivers
[06:52] <Kamion> Friczy: upgrading from sarge may be possible for experts but we can't support it, since sarge hasn't released yet
[06:52] <xoxoxo> Kamion, how can i upgrade just security fixes only?
[06:52] <GeosB> calc news
[06:52] <Kamion> Friczy: it'll be a partial downgrade
[06:52] <Friczy> Kamion: I consider myself as 'expert' :)
[06:53] <Kamion> Friczy: then you already know the answer, by definition. :-)
[06:53] <daniels> FTTP: no, it's a part of Ubuntu, and when you need root privileges for configuring network/timezone/whatever, it prompts for your password
[06:53] <Friczy> ok. thx :)
[06:53] <Kamion> xoxoxo: warty isn't changing in any other way ...
[06:53] <Friczy> I still not decided :)
[06:53] <FTTP> daniels gotcha
[06:53] <FTTP> daniels sounds like u have it figured out nicely :)
[06:53] <Kamion> Friczy: also see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogUpgradeNotes
[06:53] <FTTP> daniels see im unfamiliar with the concept of su
[06:54] <Friczy> Kamion: yes, I read it already
[06:54] <azeem> FTTP: it's 'sudo', not 'su'
[06:54] <FTTP> im used to those distros which force u to create a root account
[06:54] <FTTP> i mean sudo
[06:54] <FTTP> typo
[06:54] <Friczy> one side: if i install from scratch, lots of my setting will lose. but perhaps it will be the better :)))
[06:54] <xoxoxo> Kamion, what is recommend dpkg frontend in ubuntu?
[06:54] <xoxoxo> synaptic or smt else?
[06:54] <azeem> xoxoxo: synaptic
[06:54] <cardador> daniels: wouldnt the new nvidia driver be helpfull on debuging xorg? i say this because i am enabling render acceleration.
[06:55] <daniels> oh, you're using the binary driver?
[06:55] <cardador> daniels: yes, 61.16, but 66 is already on debian unstable.
[06:56] <cardador> daniels: i am using the one from ubuntu repository.
[06:56] <FTTP> daniels:  livecd has a different autodetection mechanism than the regular one right?
[06:57] <Kamion> FTTP: yes, in Warty; unifying them is a goal for Hoary
[06:57] <FTTP> kamion gotcha
[06:57] <FTTP> which one is better?
[06:57] <lexi> hi!
[06:57] <FTTP> or just different
[06:57] <Kamion> FTTP: mixed
[06:58] <Kamion> FTTP: which is one reason we want to unify them :)
[06:58] <daniels> cardador: i fear that your backtraces may end up in '#0 at ????????'
[06:58] <FTTP> kamion:  gotcha.........
[06:58] <FTTP> kamion so u mean combine the best of both?
[06:58] <Kamion> FTTP: yep
[06:58] <daniels> cardador: but it's worth a shot
[06:58] <FTTP> sounds good
[06:58] <Kamion> basically move to hotplug but brush up the kernel's device tables a lot
[06:58] <Friczy> Kamion: do you plan to make full CD set (not only install)?
[06:58] <FTTP> so hotplug is what the autodetector is called?
[06:58] <daniels> Kamion: o, I am weeping for the loss of discover1-data's format
[06:58] <xoxoxo> anybody knows why i cannot "apt-get install kdevelop" ?
[06:59] <xoxoxo> there is no kde in rep?
[06:59] <FTTP> http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/
[06:59] <FTTP> found it
[06:59] <FTTP> ill read up on it, thanks :)
[06:59] <FTTP> u folks are amazing
[06:59] <xoxoxo> so what to do now?
[06:59] <cardador> daniels: ill try that at home, right now im at work (also ubuntu :) )
[06:59] <FTTP> everything is figured out
[06:59] <lexi-> has ubuntu some kind of design/graphics team?
[06:59] <FTTP> even hotplugging
[06:59] <FTTP> :P
[06:59] <Kamion> Friczy: what do you mean?
[07:00] <Friczy> Kamion: i want to recommend ubuntu to a friend who has not internet access
[07:00] <Kamion> FTTP: the installer currently uses a mix of various stuff
[07:00] <FTTP> kamion gotcha
[07:00] <xoxoxo> Kamion and azeem: how can i install kdevelop?
[07:00] <Kamion> Friczy: oh, no, we've no plans to do full CDs of all of main
[07:00] <FTTP> source code is open right? :)
[07:00] <FTTP> heh
[07:00] <Kamion> FTTP: quite
[07:00] <FTTP> i can look thru it
[07:00] <Friczy> Kamion: ok :( thx for the info
[07:00] <daniels> cardador: good luck
[07:00] <Kamion> uh, by that I mean "quite so", not "sort of"
[07:00] <azeem> xoxoxo: dunno
[07:00] <FTTP> i know
[07:01] <azeem> I do not use KDE
[07:01] <FTTP> source is good :)
[07:01] <lexi-> hello?
[07:01] <xoxoxo> looks like there is no kde in ubuntu repository?
[07:01] <Kamion> lexi-: couple of people work on it, we have somebody on contract doing design IIRC
[07:01] <azeem> lexi-: not really, AFAIK
[07:01] <Kamion> xoxoxo: universe
[07:01] <azeem> lexi-: what Kamion said
[07:01] <xoxoxo> Kamion, what is that universe?
[07:02] <Kamion> see the FAQs on the website please
[07:03] <Kamion> About Ubuntu -> Components is probably a good place to start
[07:03] <lexi-> Kamion, azeem: on contract? the thing is that i would like to join such a group
[07:04] <Kamion> lexi-: mail ideas to ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com I guess
[07:05] <lexi-> the ubunto logo could need some finish, the font face is rather ugly..
[07:05] <lexi-> *ubuntu
[07:05] <azeem> isn't it SVG?
[07:05] <azeem> what's ugly about it?
[07:05] <lexi-> the font hasn't good proportions
[07:05] <lexi-> the t + b
[07:06] <lexi-> and the u ;)
[07:06] <Kamion> you could also file bugs against ubuntu-artwork
[07:06] <xoxoxo> Kamion, i looked at the faq. it said smt about universe component, but nothing else? there is no link to "universe" component
[07:06] <rasher> the vertical line in the t looks a bit odd imho, can't see anything wrong with the rest
[07:06] <Kamion> xoxoxo: 18:03 < Kamion> About Ubuntu -> Components is probably a good place to start
[07:06] <littlegreenman> can someone help me with setting the sound in my system?
[07:06] <littlegreenman> i just checked in xp, mp3 files play fine
[07:07] <azeem> littlegreenman: ubuntu does not play .mp3 files by default, AFAIK
[07:07] <littlegreenman> but i don't know how to check in ubuntu to see if my sound card is configured... etc...
[07:07] <J-jayz-Z> moin
[07:07] <littlegreenman> azeem how do i configure it?
[07:07] <J-jayz-Z> lol
[07:07] <azeem> littlegreenman: see the website, I dunno
[07:07] <J-jayz-Z> hello @ all
[07:07] <thrift> I came in here yesterday, because I was having memory problems and switched to the k7 kernel due to them, looks like I'm still getting them, check ftp://68.162.169.227/Screenshots/Memory.png to see what I mean.  Anyone know what to do to solve this?
[07:07] <littlegreenman> azeem, thanks...
[07:07] <lexi-> Kamion: so if i work on it, should i just send it to ubuntu-devel?
[07:08] <Kamion> lexi-: reasonable place to start
[07:08] <lexi-> website should be redone, too ;)
[07:08] <J-jayz-Z> is anybody here working with lilo ???
[07:08] <Tyche> How do you think a Compaq DeskPro Celeron 500 w/ 196MB be for a small web server?
[07:08] <Tyche> Running Ubuntu of course.
[07:09] <rasher> Tyche: depends entirely of the scale of the sites hosted :)
[07:09] <lexi-> does someone know where that svg logo resides?
[07:09] <rasher> Tyche: it could be way overkill, or too little
[07:09] <rasher> lexi-: it's in the wiki somewhere
[07:09] <|0__0|> hi asl.
[07:09] <J-jayz-Z> hi
[07:10] <Kamion> lexi-: several of us detest the website :)
[07:10] <Tyche> Really all it will be doing is hosting a single site or 2 running a mambo server...no high scale stugg.
[07:10] <Tyche> err, stuff.
[07:10] <azeem> lexi-: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Artwork
[07:10] <|0__0|> I appreciate the earth-tone themes of Ubuntu, but I think it would be better if it had some nudity.
[07:11] <azeem> |0__0|: hah
[07:11] <xoxoxo> Kamion, i modified sources.list and update "universe" now.
[07:11] <|0__0|> azeem: also, not letting people log in as root is a SECURITY RISK
[07:11] <|0__0|> so, now that I'm all caught up
[07:11] <J-jayz-Z> i nned help to edit the /etc/lilo.conf, i heve ubuntu and yoper linux on my harddisk but i don know how to edit the file for changing between yoper and ubuntu because of the boot image of ubuntu...
[07:12] <azeem> J-jayz-Z: ubuntu uses grub, not lilo
[07:12] <J-jayz-Z> azeem: i know
[07:12] <azeem> so ask the yoper guys about lilo :)
[07:12] <ploggin> hi
[07:12] <J-jayz-Z> but i do not know *some* things about grub
[07:13] <ploggin> anyone got a radeon graphic card?
[07:13] <ogra> hi everybody !!!
[07:13] <|0__0|> azeem: I think he really wants to configure grub for dual-oot
[07:13] <lexi-> how can i get wiki attachments?
[07:13] <J-jayz-Z> and i like lilo but also ubunto, so i am working with lilo and ubuntu :)
[07:13] <|0__0|> oh
[07:13] <azeem> |0__0|: 1:0 for me :)
[07:13] <|0__0|> yeah, looks like, azeem
[07:14] <ogra> the current issue of german "linux user" SUPPLYS A UBUNTU WARTY CD !!!!!!
[07:14] <J-jayz-Z> ;)
[07:14] <FTTP> i want to give them out to friends
[07:14] <thrift> Did anyone take a look at that screeny?  I've been up for under 24 hours and am using >325M RAM.  It'll be up to a G by tommorow night probably.
[07:14] <ploggin> i need help installing my ATI Radeon graphic card
[07:14] <ogra> horaaay
[07:14] <J-jayz-Z> ogra: I know, what you think, from where i have the ubuntu disk?;)
[07:14] <FTTP> i can get alot of ubuntu users :)
[07:14] <Gwildor_> ploggin, we all do
[07:14] <xoxoxo> Kamion, by glancing at debian/patches, i think that the latest kernel source code from ubuntu doesnt fix the lastest "ELF" security bug, right?
[07:15] <FTTP> livecd is great tho cause i can show people they dont need windows
[07:15] <xoxoxo> i dont see such patch
[07:15] <lexi-> Kamion: how can i download attachments from the wiki?
[07:15] <Kamion> xoxoxo: I wouldn't know; if it doesn't I shouldn't imagine it'd take long
[07:15] <lhb> ok, just to confirm.... should i use the k7 kernel for my amd xp?
[07:15] <thrift> lhb: yes
[07:16] <ogra> J-jayz-Z: i was waiting for this.....the german news didnt seem to recognize us at all, no msg on heise (and i know a bunch of ppl have asked for one)
[07:16] <azeem> lexi-: it might be that the .svg versions of the logo are not up on the wiki yet, I read about problems there
[07:16] <lhb> thrift: cheers
[07:16] <azeem> ogra: Debian has bribed Heise to not report on Ubuntu
[07:16] <azeem> (or was that SuSE? Can't remember)
[07:16] <ogra> aee: by which reason ?
[07:16] <xoxoxo> Kamion, the kdevelop from universe is very old: 2.1 (??) the last one is 3.1.1. how to get the new version of kdevelop?
[07:16] <ogra> azeem
[07:17] <azeem> xoxoxo: compile it yourself
[07:17] <lexi-> azeem: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuArtwork/view?searchterm=logo but i can't fid how to get that crap
[07:17] <J-jayz-Z> ogra: yes.but it is very good for beginners.normally anybody of the beginning is using mandrake, suse and _maybe_ debian...
[07:17] <J-jayz-Z> thats it..
[07:17] <xoxoxo> azeem, should i get it from unstable repository of debian?
[07:17] <azeem> lexi-: yeah, it may not be up yet
[07:17] <azeem> xoxoxo: I can't recommend that
[07:18] <thrift> xoxoxo: I use debian repository, they have 3.1.0
[07:18] <azeem> it's an option, of course
[07:18] <xoxoxo> hmmm...
[07:18] <azeem> ogra: I was just joking
[07:18] <ogra> *g*
[07:18] <lhb> thrift: is apt-get going to update grub?
[07:18] <xoxoxo> thrift, you mix debian and ubuntu for kdevelp? is that fine?
[07:18] <FTTP> ubuntu just started and it looks like its got significant activity and development :)
[07:18] <thrift> xoxoxo: don't know, maybe that's why I have memory issues
[07:18] <xoxoxo> i heard that mixing stuffs may cause trouble
[07:18] <FTTP> i admire ubuntu :)
[07:18] <thrift> lhb: yes
[07:19] <xoxoxo> thrift, how to know that you got memory problem?
[07:19] <J-jayz-Z> ok, i am awy, C U guys
[07:19] <rasher> FTTP: it's been underways for a while
[07:19] <lexi-> fsck it, i come back when you have a new website
[07:19] <FTTP> the communities of the other distros that are smaller have life sucked out of em
[07:19] <FTTP> for user friendly ones
[07:20] <FTTP> rasher:  I just heard of ubuntu recently
[07:20] <thrift> xoxoxo: I have a whole install of kde from debian. it's work flawlessly, but I had memory issues before I added the unsupported repositoried I think... Check the screeny: ftp://68.162.169.227/Screenshots/Memory.png
[07:20] <azeem> FTTP: I guess life is going to be hard for user-friendly Dbeian-based distros in the near future, yes
[07:20] <FTTP> azeem:  No thats not what i was saying
[07:20] <azeem> FTTP: so what you are saying? =)
[07:20] <FTTP> azeem:  just saying that many of the smaller user friendly distros never really got off the ground
[07:20] <rasher> FTTP: yeah, but it's been a nameless effort for a while actually
[07:20] <lexi-> Is there some WebCVS?
[07:20] <FTTP> azeem and they stopped being activly developed as much
[07:20] <azeem> FTTP: well, some of them are Debian-based...
[07:21] <FTTP> azeem yep
[07:21] <azeem> FTTP: the difference is, they did not start off with 30 top-notch developers working full time on them
[07:21] <krism> this question isn't ubuntu specific; i'm not sure where to start looking, and sinc e i'm running ubuntu.... ;) : i have several email accounts all forwarding thier mail to my main account. using Pine, i want to set the "reply-to" header to that of the email address it was sent to. any ideas?
[07:21] <FTTP> azeem:  Ubuntu has 30?
[07:21] <krism> (e.g. where to start searching.. )
[07:21] <FTTP> azeem:  All due to shuttleworth?  :)
[07:21] <|0__0|> krism: I know how to do it with mutt, but not pine
[07:21] <FTTP> thats awesome
[07:21] <azeem> FTTP: eh, not sure, but that's the right ballpark
[07:21] <|0__0|> krism: however, I also know how to make mutt use pine's keybindings
[07:21] <krism> |0__0| : how do you do it with mutt?
[07:21] <FTTP> azeem yeah cause shuttleworth has bucks so he can hire
[07:21] <|0__0|> krism: you use a send-hook
[07:22] <azeem> FTTP: in the meantime, Ubuntu has more, but they started out with around 30 I beleive
[07:22] <FTTP> azeem:  Lycoris had potential........ i think its redhat based ?
[07:22] <lexi-> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/UbuntuArtwork -- here i got it
[07:22] <Kamion> Canonical has 30-odd employees, but not all of those are working on Ubuntu
[07:22] <FTTP> azeem:  Im not sure what lycoris was based off of
[07:22] <krism> |0__0| thanks :) will search on that :)
[07:22] <Kamion> the distribution team is more like 10-15 (don't recall offhand)
[07:22] <FTTP> but lycoris tried what ubuntu is.........
[07:22] <ogra> Kamion: hey :)
[07:23] <FTTP> similar concept
[07:23] <thrift> FTTP: I think it was debian based also, maybe via caldera
[07:23] <FTTP> thirt:  i remember speaking to the developers on lycoris and it looked like a new distro that would take off,  but then it became non free, blah blah
[07:24] <thrift> FTTP: I don't know a whole lot about it, but I think they are still around....not quite lindows though
[07:24] <FTTP> thrift they used to have it that you could freely download from the website, then the current ones arent plus it uses old caldera code, blah blah...... ubuntu 1st release was better than lycoris was
[07:24] <azeem> Kamion: there are around 10-15 DDs, however, another bunch of non-DDs develop as well
[07:24] <|0__0|> krism: also check out http://zork.net/pub/pine
[07:24] <FTTP> when i tried ubuntu i was literally surprised
[07:24] <|0__0|> krism: it's a script that you chmod +x, and it runs mutt with several config options set
[07:24] <azeem> oh, anyway
[07:25] <FTTP> at this rate ubuntu's next release will be amazing
[07:25] <xoxoxo> looks like ubuntu uses udev, doesnt it?
[07:25] <ogra> xoxoxo: yep
[07:25] <ogra> xoxoxo: it does
[07:25] <|0__0|> FTTP: and at this rate, by 2050 Ubuntu will not even need a computer to operate!
[07:25] <FTTP> i keep switching from distro to distro for userfriendly distros
[07:25] <thrift> FTTP: I believe you, I just got ubuntu installed like 2 weeks ago, I was impressed for not hearing much about it.  Lycoris seemed to me like a noobish distro though.  Ubuntu autodetects my software raid, that's not noobish.
[07:26] <lexi-> how do people get cotracted by ubuntu??
[07:26] <FTTP> thrift:  yeah impressive
[07:26] <FTTP> lexi:  detected all my hardware from day1
[07:26] <azeem> thrift: that might be a feature of the Debian-Installer though, not sure
[07:26] <FTTP> lexi:  Lycoris never worked right on my system actually
[07:26] <FTTP> lexi:  So yeah its better already
[07:26] <thrift> FTTP: This memory leak is my only issue right now(my nvidia card didn't get set up correctly on install, it thought I had an Sis(my agp is Sis))
[07:27] <FTTP> errr thrift actually
[07:27] <thrift> azeem: I attached raid after install
[07:27] <FTTP> thrift that is nice :)
[07:27] <azeem> thrift: heh :)
[07:27] <FTTP> thrift:  Debian is a great codebase, nice and stable
[07:27] <FTTP> thrift:  Thats why i loved stormix
[07:27] <FTTP> at the time
[07:27] <FTTP> all the distros i like go poof
[07:28] <FTTP> ubuntu stays around and ill be a happy camper :)
[07:28] <FTTP> its better than stormix was
[07:28] <thrift> FTTP: never used stormix, but I moved over here from gentoo, at let me tell you, so much more productive when packages aren't broken all the time and integration is good.  I wish they had more packages in the default repositories though, it's pretty constricting.
[07:28] <FTTP> thrift im sort of the user looking for a desktop user so gentoo wasnt for me
[07:28] <xoxoxo> after 30mins playing, i think ubuntu looks great ;-)
[07:28] <|0__0|> FTTP: Ubuntu is built by austro-african spacemen, and their average life-span is 76 years!!!!
[07:28] <FTTP> gentoo too involved
[07:29] <xoxoxo> now if it supports the latest kde and stuffs better...
[07:29] <ogra> xoxoxo: after 2 months it looks still great ;)
[07:30] <thrift> Gentoo was great, but packages were *always* broken, desktops needed massive time to configure it was annoying.  Ubuntu might not have all the same advantages, but it's definately better
[07:30] <xoxoxo> anyway, what is the recommend cd burner ?
[07:30] <FTTP> looks like ubuntu got loads of press
[07:30] <rasher> xoxoxo: using nautilus is one way
[07:30] <xoxoxo> does that work with 2.6? since i heard bad things about cdburner on 2.6 kernel
[07:30] <FTTP> i did a google news search for ubuntu, its all over
[07:30] <|0__0|> the problem with gentoo is that the only things you need to have optimized for your system are: 1) Kernel 2) libc 3) any high-end number-crunching apps
[07:30] <Friczy> can I get a list from somewhere about which packages are in which components?
[07:30] <|0__0|> debian/ubuntu provides 1 for sue
[07:30] <thrift> How about this: Is there even an audio cd burner in the default repositorys
[07:30] <|0__0|> and I think there's some mechanism for auto-detection of #2
[07:31] <ogra> xoxoxo: works great for data
[07:31] <|0__0|> and #3 is most likely compiled from source as a special case anyway
[07:31] <thrift> xoxoxo: ya it is great for data
[07:31] <Kamion> azeem: most of the non-Debian developers are working on other things
[07:31] <|0__0|> Friczy: components?
[07:31] <xoxoxo> well, how to access to that cdburner?
[07:31] <xoxoxo> i dont see it from the menu?
[07:32] <Friczy> |0__0|: yes i mean main, universe and so on
[07:32] <ogra> xoxoxo: put in a empty cd ;) it starts itself
[07:32] <|0__0|> Friczy: there are files in /var/lib/apt/lists/
[07:32] <thrift> |0__0|: it is certainly snappy, but I don't think it's due to being configured for your proccessor.  You're assumption would also advise compiling gnome...not fun.
[07:32] <|0__0|> corresponding to your sources
[07:32] <xoxoxo> ok. bedtime now. see you again.
[07:32] <Friczy> |0__0|: yes, but I don't have ubuntu installed
[07:33] <Friczy> |0__0|: i still use debian
[07:33] <xoxoxo> thank you all. you are all genious guys
[07:33] <xoxoxo> ubutu has great community ;-)
[07:33] <xoxoxo> good night
[07:33] <|0__0|> thrift: no, I'm saying that you don't get very good performance benefits except for from compiling the kernel, libc, and any scientific apps
[07:33] <|0__0|> thrift: recompiling gnome doesn't get you very much at all, since it's mostly I/O stuff
[07:33] <ogra> xoxo: night :)
[07:33] <|0__0|> Friczy: you can always grab the files from the sources
[07:34] <|0__0|> Friczy: just hit http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ and browse around
[07:34] <|0__0|> find the Packages file you want
[07:34] <thrift> |0__0| : I think that's arguable.  A gentoo user would probably flip out with a million reasons his gnome is better due to that.  I think that ubuntu does *feel* faster though, and that's all I care about there.  Gentoo's main advantage though of portage was the huge amount of apps that were there, and especially the nonfree ones
[07:34] <Friczy> |0__0|: ok. Thx.
[07:35] <|0__0|> Friczy: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/
[07:35] <Tyche> Saving nick password for x-chat...where is that?
[07:35] <|0__0|> oh hey
[07:35] <|0__0|> what's multiverse?
[07:35] <|0__0|> I knew about universe
[07:35] <ogra> Tyche: ctrl-s
[07:35] <|0__0|> but what's multiverse?
[07:35] <Tyche> ogra: Under connect command?
[07:35] <ogra> |0__0|: non-free
[07:36] <|0__0|> ahhhh
[07:36] <will_> evening ppl, how can you temorarily enable SU in Nautilus to copy files to a protected DIR?
[07:36] <|0__0|> ogra: are you at all related to augra from The Dark Crystal?
[07:36] <ogra> Tyche: in german its called "serverlist"
[07:37] <ogra> |0__0|: beyond that i've seen the movie as a teen i dont think so ;)
[07:37] <|0__0|> ogra: pity.  I was hoping you could pop your eye out and everything.
[07:37] <ogra> lol
[07:37] <ogra> will_: dont use filemanagers as root
[07:38] <thrift> ogra: why not?
[07:38] <|0__0|> ogra: I think he wants sudo to pop up when he tries an operation that gets him permission denied stuff
[07:38] <ogra> will_: better use the commandline for such tasks....
[07:38] <|0__0|> but I'm 0:1 today
[07:38] <|0__0|> so who knows
[07:38] <ogra> will_: using nautilus as root will damage certain stuff....
[07:38] <|0__0|> yeah
[07:38] <rasher> |0__0|: which, incidentally is a great idea. Go implement!
[07:38] <thrift> really?
[07:39] <|0__0|> running big X apps as root is certain to break your system
[07:39] <Chibi> o.o
[07:39] <|0__0|> eventually nothing will work unless you do it as root
[07:39] <|0__0|> and your life will be pain
[07:39] <will_> ogra: I need to copy about 5 dirs quickly to /usr/local
[07:39] <binarydigit> is running hoary like running sarge?
[07:39] <|0__0|> that's why it's so great that ubuntu disables the root account
[07:39] <ogra> it will change certain file permissons of config stuff
[07:39] <cardador> binarydigit: sid
[07:39] <rasher> binarydigit: it's more or less like running sid
[07:40] <|0__0|> will_: cp -a dir1 dir2 dir3 dir4 dir5 /usr/local/
[07:40] <binarydigit> ah so its best to stick with warty
[07:40] <|0__0|> sudo cp -a dir1 dir2 dir3 dir4 dir5 /usr/local/
[07:40] <|0__0|> that is
[07:40] <thrift> ogra: shouldn't cofing be on a per user basis via .files?
[07:40] <ogra> will_: cp -a /source/dir /dest/dir
[07:40] <thrift> copying*
[07:40] <will_> thanks guys!
[07:40] <thrift> config even
[07:40] <ogra> thrift: yep and belong to the user.....
[07:40] <ogra> thrift: and tha exactly is the prob here
[07:41] <thrift> ogra: each .files belong to users home dir, so how could root hurt anything by running it's own nautilus
[07:41] <will_> how do you show only dirs with LS?
[07:41] <|0__0|> ls -d
[07:41] <ogra> thrift: afterwards they belong root ;)
[07:41] <thrift> ogra: afterwards what belong to root?
[07:41] <ogra> will_: yep in small letters
[07:41] <ogra> thrift: the configs....
[07:41] <thrift> ogra: root's configs do
[07:41] <thrift> ogra: not any other user
[07:42] <shingokii> Hi, has anyone set up freevo on ubuntu?
[07:42] <will_> ogra: i mean how do i list ONLY dirs with ls?
[07:42] <ogra> thrift: if you run nautilus as root and it writes to a config file, the owner  changes....same with mozilla
[07:42] <StarScream> hi all, is there a gui tool that i can use for pppd that uses pppoatm ?
[07:43] <StarScream> will_, ls -d ?
[07:43] <thrift> ogra: root's config files are in /root/.xxxxx whereas a users is in /home/users/.xxxx so I don't understand what you are trying to say
[07:43] <ogra> thrift: never ever run: sudo firefox !
[07:43] <thrift> ogra: I have run firefox as root. many times.
[07:43] <will_> StarScream: nope does not work
[07:43] <thrift> ogra: the only reason it's stupid is due to security issues.
[07:44] <d0gmaz> how do i restart X?
[07:44] <StarScream> will_, hmm any suggestions, i dont mind using the shell but my girlfriend doesn't like doing console stuff atm
[07:44] <cardador> d0gmaz: ctrl+alt+backspace
[07:44] <rasher> d0gmaz: quick way, log out to gdm, press ctrl+alt+backspace
[07:44] <thrift> ogra: I don't do it, but to tell a user to use the command line to copy files rather than just use a file manager as root seems like a bad thing
[07:44] <rasher> heh
[07:44] <ogra> thrift: wait a sec...
[07:44] <thrift> ogra: k
[07:45] <shingokii> why would you run firefox as root?
[07:45] <boldii> re
[07:45] <StarScream> firefox as root is not a good idea...may as well use windows
[07:45] <will_> thrift: its not good to run X for day to day use as root
[07:45] <shingokii> but why WOULD you run firefox as root?
[07:45] <thrift> shingokii: if you're running gnome as root and you launch firefox it would just happen, not that this is a good idea, but it doesn't fuck the system up
[07:45] <will_> dont run it as root....!
[07:46] <thrift> The only reason not to run X as root is due to security, everyone knows that right?
[07:46] <will_> thats true
[07:46] <[SemTeX] > when I try to mount my usb cdrom, it says special device /dev/scd0 does not exist
[07:46] <shingokii> I'm just really curious why you would want to run X as root
[07:46] <boldii> hey, how can I upgrade to  5.04?
[07:47] <[SemTeX] > but I did my install via that cdrom
[07:47] <shingokii> just sudo or su or something?
[07:47] <Sandy> Hey, Ubuntu is my first real attempt at linux (other than knoppix), and I installed it without a hitch, when I try and access my Windows XP partition through grub though, I get an error 13 message.
[07:47] <[SemTeX] > anybody knows what I'm missing? :)
[07:47] <thrift> ok, and ubuntu uses a sudo that is persistent, so if you just sudoed in the last five minutes and you're firefox gets buffer overflowed, you're system can still be rooted.  It's not smart to run firefox as root no, but nautilus?  It's more and issue of convenience that security
[07:47] <ogra> thrift: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-November/011503.html
[07:48] <jono> yo people
[07:48] <jono> anyone in here got DVD movies working in Linux? I need an author to write about it for an O'Reilly Linux Desktop Hacks book
[07:48] <shingokii> thrift: wow I didn't know that, thats stupid
[07:48] <shingokii> thrift: Can I make sudo NOT persistent?
[07:48] <thrift> shingokii: I don't know, but you notice sometimes you don't have to put in your password right after you did a sudo command?
[07:49] <shingokii> thrift: You're right, I had noticed that
[07:49] <shingokii> thrift: I hadn't given it much thought, not been running ubuntu long, or as my main distro
[07:49] <thrift> shingokii: I doubt it's really a big security issue, but running nautilus or firefox for a second liek that isn't either
[07:50] <ogra> thrift: this is a good thread too: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/004838.html
[07:50] <will_> okay what would you say this is?? :william@will ~ $ sudo nautilus
[07:50] <will_> (nautilus:4422): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib
[07:50] <will_> (nautilus:4422): Gdk-WARNING **: cannot set locale modifiers
[07:50] <will_> (nautilus:4422): Bonobo-WARNING **: Leaked a total of 1 refs to 1 bonobo object(s)
[07:50] <ogra> argh
[07:50] <shingokii> thrift: I just can't see the point, I hardly ever need to run anything as root, and leaving root permissions for a few minutes each time is dumb
[07:50] <thrift> ogra: I'm reading.
[07:50] <thrift> shingokii: I'm suid...a lot
[07:50] <shingokii> thrift: But then I don't really understand why ubuntu doesn't have a "real" root user, normally I would su to that, do stuff, then exit
[07:50] <will_> what is this GDK stuff?
[07:51] <sri> so, anybody know when compmgr is gonna show up on hoary? :)
[07:51] <thrift> shingokii: I think it's so a brute force attack would have to guess a user name, password for the user, then root password.  It's more secure
[07:51] <ogra> thrift: a bit lengthy..... but the second one explains it better than i can
[07:51] <cardador> sri: its already around
[07:51] <Friczy> shingokii: timestamp_timeout, passwd_timeout can be set accordingly
[07:51] <sri> cardador: is it?  I haven't been able to see it on apt-cache
[07:51] <adolfo> holaaaaa
[07:51] <cardador> sri: thats because it is on a different repository
[07:51] <shingokii> thrift: Yup I guess so. Could just let you specify another user for the "root", I dunno. I'm sure its fine
[07:51] <|0__0|> what is compmgr?
[07:52] <ogra> sri: its highly unstable/slow
[07:52] <sri> cardador: ah, whast the repo?
[07:52] <|0__0|> is it some kind of plant?
[07:52] <shingokii> Friczy: Ah great, thanks. Export those in a terminal?
[07:52] <ironwolf> anyone able to connect to a windows share on another box?  If so how?
[07:52] <cardador> sri: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/
[07:52] <sri> ogra: probably.  from the times that I've used it when I complied xorg
[07:52] <Friczy> shingokii: no, in /etc/sudoers file
[07:52] <adolfo> alguien habla espaol?????
[07:52] <Friczy> shingokii: man sudoers
[07:52] <ogra> sri: completely different
[07:52] <shingokii> Friczy: Thanks, I'll have a look at that :)
[07:52] <sri> ogra: how so?
[07:52] <ogra> sri: i tried xorg last year......
[07:53] <|0__0|> KNEEL BEFORE XORG
[07:53] <ogra> sri: its like working via vnc currently
[07:53] <shingokii> Anyone know about getting freevo going on ubuntu? ubuntu repositories seem to have freevo, but not xmltv stuff on which it depends
[07:53] <Gwildor_> ogra, what did you use before ubuntu?
[07:53] <ogra> Gwildor: debian ;)
[07:53] <sri> ogra: well it's not that bad.  my problems with it is that scrolling has been very buggy
[07:53] <lemsx1> adolfo, si
[07:54] <ogra> sri: ...and moving windows....
[07:54] <sri> ogra: xorg was fairly unstable back then, but eric has been doing a great job with the compositing stuff
[07:54] <thrift> ogra: You are right, for sudo, but that is bad that sudo operates that way(I ussually su--login on other distros)
[07:54] <sri> cardador: thank you btw
[07:55] <ogra> hrift: never use filemanagers/browsers as root, its this simple :)
[07:55] <cardador> sri: np
[07:55] <ogra> thrift
[07:55] <thrift> ogra: only in ubuntu does this work this way
[07:55] <sri> |0__0|: xcompmgr is the compositing manager, it's the one that lets you use drop down shadows, and fading windows and all that stuff.  It's very unstable at the moment
[07:55] <ogra> thrift: nope
[07:55] <thrift> ogra: su --login in any distro you can and echo $HOME, it will be /root
[07:56] <ogra> thrift: its a simple unwritten law in unix
[07:56] <sri> actually it's more stable if you don't use any of the shadows and what not
[07:56] <thrift> ogra, read what I just said
[07:56] <zenwhen> oic
[07:56] <cardador> sri: you're right, very unstable.
[07:56] <ogra> thrift: i read it :)
[07:56] <|0__0|> aha
[07:56] <thrift> ogra: what will the $home variable be
[07:56] <Tyche> ogra: what is the +nc up top? And, what is +tnc
[07:56] <will_> ahhh i love downloading at 8Mbits !
[07:56] <Kamion> thrift: sudo != su --login, this isn't Ubuntu-specific
[07:56] <ogra> thrift: imagine you move your /usr by accident .... and didnt recognize where you dropped it....
[07:56] <sri> cardador: yeah, have to wait till anholt and others are working on other stuff I think, not compositing
[07:57] <ironwolf> where do I specify username when I get "You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "Windows Network: hostname".
[07:57] <thrift> kamion: I realize, but it would be safe to su --login, then launch nautilus as root.
[07:57] <zenwhen> oic
[07:57] <Kamion> thrift: use sudo -H if you want it to change $HOME
[07:57] <thrift> kamion: thank you
[07:57] <cardador> btw, if anyone has a friend that wont change to linux because of counter strike source, tell him he can play on linux
[07:58] <ogra> thrift: but that still brings no safety net :)
[07:58] <thrift> ogra: sudo -H then.  I understand you could move somethign important somewhere you shouldn't, but that simply means don't run it as root all the time
[07:58] <thrift> ogra: When does your filemanager touch the internet.
[07:58] <shingokii> nice, you can only edit sudoers file with visudo, which uses vi, and vi is not installed, yay !
[07:59] <ogra> thrift: if you ever work with uni* it will be the first thing you learn....
[07:59] <Sandy> Hmm, changed it so that makeactive came before chainloader +1, now getting an error 12
[07:59] <ogra> thrift: ??
[07:59] <Friczy> shingokii: visudo can use any other editor as I know
[07:59] <thrift> ogra: I've used unix longer than you garaunteed
[07:59] <Kamion> shingokii: visudo uses $VISUAL
[07:59] <ogra> thrift: k....
[07:59] <Kamion> shingokii: also vim is installed by default and provides vi
[07:59] <aaroncuk> quick easy questiion.. im feelin dizzy.. an matx mb will fit in an atx case
[07:59] <thrift> ogra: how long have you used linux/unix?
[07:59] <Sandy> anybody have any advice?
[07:59] <ogra> thrift: wnot argue on that
[08:00] <thrift> ogra: then who knows more about what you learn first on unix?
[08:00] <ogra> thrift: my first touch with unix i had in 86
[08:00] <shingokii> I think I'll just trust ubuntu and leave it
[08:00] <Tyche> Sandy: Have you tried installing grubconf to help configure your grub?
[08:00] <will_> i should not have updated to hoary
[08:00] <ogra> thrift: didnt last long though ;)
[08:01] <thrift> ogra: This is becoming silly, you're first touch, and when you were first really using it is very different
[08:01] <shingokii> Is there somewhere to report package weirdness? Like if a package is present which can't install due to missing stuff?
[08:01] <ogra> thrift:  92
[08:01] <Kamion> thrift,ogra: dick-size wars won't help either of you; cut it out :)
[08:01] <Sandy> Tyche: Nope, not managed to install anything, as I access the internet through a usb wireless network, so installing something is tricky
[08:01] <thrift> lol true
[08:01] <ogra> hehe
[08:01] <Kamion> shingokii: bugzilla link in the topic
[08:01] <thrift> ogra: you do have more xp though
[08:01] <|0__0|> bah
[08:01] <|0__0|> damn posix
[08:01] <|0__0|> why do we even bother dividing EDITOR and VISUAL any more?
[08:01] <thrift> look at this though
[08:01] <ogra> thrift: i said i wont argue about that ;)
[08:01] <thrift> thrift@Io:~ $ echo $HOME
[08:01] <thrift> /home/thrift
[08:01] <thrift> thrift@Io:~ $ sudo -H bash
[08:01] <thrift> root@Io:/home/thrift # echo $HOME
[08:02] <Tyche> Sandy: I probably can tell you how I have my conf configured, I also run XP Dual Boot.
[08:02] <shingokii> so uh... I heard it is a recipe for disaster to try to use debian packages with ubuntu?
[08:02] <Sandy> That could be handy
[08:02] <|0__0|> shingokii: most likely, yes
[08:02] <thrift> ogra: so config files won't be hurt, but yes no safety net, so only run file manager as root when you NEED to, you could easily do the same damage on the command line as root, and especially if you're not familiar with the command line
[08:02] <|0__0|> shingokii: universe and multiverse already contain rebuilds of actual debian packages
[08:02] <will_> anyone downgraded from hoary to warty yet?
[08:02] <|0__0|> will_: apt doesn't let you downgrade safely
[08:03] <|0__0|> best to back up your /home and reinstall
[08:03] <ogra> will_: not supported
[08:03] <boldii> how do I upgrade to hoary?
[08:03] <will_> dont
[08:03] <|0__0|> boldii: if you have to ask, you're probably not ready
[08:04] <|0__0|> hoary is still very rough around the edges
[08:04] <ogra> thrift: but i wouldnt advise it to any unexperienced person
[08:04] <shingokii> |0__0|: I needed xmltv-util and libxmltv-perl but they are not in universe or multiverse
[08:04] <will_> like me
[08:04] <Gwildor_> boldii, change the word WARTY to hoary in your sources.list
[08:04] <ogra> will_: are you ?
[08:04] <thrift> ogra: All I saw was someone come in and ask how to move files as root, if they asked, they don't need to be told about the command line right?
[08:04] <boldii> |0__0|, ok, then I leave it. I don t want to break the glibc like in my old gentoo install ...
[08:05] <|0__0|> shingokii: if I were you, I'd try building them from the source packages, but even that's kind of iffy
[08:05] <ogra> thrift: i told him how to do it... so what ?
[08:05] <Friczy> is there any way to install ubuntu in uml?
[08:05] <Gwildor_> boldii, if you must, it went smooth for me, k7
[08:05] <ogra> thrift: better than sudo .....
[08:05] <will_> ogra: only joking! been ubuntu-ing for about 2 months maybe
[08:05] <thrift> ogra: what is more dangerous?  sudo -H nautilus, or sudo bash then crazy commands user doesn't understand
[08:06] <|0__0|> thrift: not sudo bash!
[08:06] <|0__0|> sudo particular commands
[08:06] <shingokii> |0__0|: So should I put in a bug report? Seems pretty dumb to have freevo in the repository when it can't install
[08:06] <will_> bash bash
[08:06] <will_> sudo /bin/bash
[08:06] <|0__0|> shingokii: yeah, I'd definitely file a bug
[08:06] <ogra> thrift: they are both bad ;)
[08:06] <thrift> |0__0| : sudo 20 particular commands in a row?
[08:06] <|0__0|> although you'll probaly get a "not supported" response
[08:06] <shingokii> |0__0|: thanks :)
[08:06] <|0__0|> thrift: no, he wanted one command, dude
[08:06] <thrift> ogra: what is worse for a new user? it's obvious
[08:06] <shingokii> thrift: What about the "root terminal" on the applications menu?
[08:06] <|0__0|> and yeah, sure, sudo 20 commands
[08:07] <thrift> |0__0| : fine for him, but still sudo commands user doesn't understand
[08:07] <|0__0|> beats sudo bash
[08:07] <will_> thats a potential mine field
[08:07] <boldii> Gwildor_, can I find a what s new list for hoary anywhere?
[08:07] <shingokii> What about the "root terminal" though, is that not what it is for?
[08:07] <ogra> thrift: you wont change my mind....and drag n drop in more dangerous in my opinion
[08:07] <thrift> shingokii: another just as good option
[08:07] <Gwildor_> boldii, I don't know where, search the ubuntu site, I guess, or query the ogra|bot
[08:07] <thrift> ogra: then you are just being stubborn.  Only an idiot would tell someone who didn't understand the command line to run run commands as root
[08:07] <shingokii> Yeah I wrecked one of my first linux installs using a file manager as root, not so much because I'm super-dumb as because the file manager was weird
[08:08] <shingokii> this was some time ago before nautilus
[08:08] <will_> calm down ppl, we have to get along TOGETHER!!
[08:08] <ogra> thrift: okay, think what you will...just  lets drop this now....
[08:08] <shingokii> Mind you its easy to wreck stuff by not understanding console commands too...
[08:08] <will_> exactly
[08:09] <shingokii> lets just all admit - linux is bad!
[08:09] <will_> yeah!
[08:09] <|0__0|> shingokii: it sucks!
[08:09] <will_> lin-sux
[08:09] <Tyche> anyone know about the irc permissions?
[08:09] <ogra> boldii: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog
[08:10] <Gwildor_> ogra, thnx
[08:10] <boldii> ogra, thanks.
[08:10] <shingokii> whats up with the ubuntu certificates then?
[08:10] <will_> what firewall would u reccomend for Ubuntu
[08:10] <thrift> I'm saying in general that it's easier type a command wrong as a user who doesn't understand the command that will do a large amount of damage, than it is for a user to use somethign they are familiar with as root.  I think that's obvious, and you hurt new users by making them do things they don't understand and don't want to understand.  In the perfect real world a user should never have to touch the command line, so it's just s
[08:10] <thrift> illy to me.  That's all from me
[08:10] <ogra> thrift: ...just  lets drop this now....
[08:10] <will_> thrift:stop going on! :)
[08:11] <thrift> I'm done like I said
[08:11] <shingokii> Yeah I think it's all pretty much argued out - I agree with everyone!
[08:11] <will_>  what firewall would u reccomend for Ubuntu
[08:11] <will_> recommend even
[08:12] <thrift> ogra: did you see that screenshot I put up with the mem issues?
[08:12] <piovra> hi
[08:12] <ogra> thrift: must be in my history....diggin
[08:12] <thrift> ftp://68.162.169.227/Screenshots/Memory.png
[08:13] <thrift> I can't figure out what the hell is going on there
[08:13] <topyli> will_: you sure you need one? everything is closed by default
[08:13] <topyli> will_: i set my own up with firestarter
[08:13] <piovra> a little question...i've xorg an xcompmgr on my box, i can see shadows but, how i can enable transparecy?
[08:13] <Gwildor_> will_, no open ports, so I guess that makes ubuntu a firewall
[08:13] <thrift> piovra: transset
[08:14] <piovra> is it a package?
[08:14] <ogra> piovra: yep
[08:14] <ogra> thrift: whats wrong there ?
[08:14] <thrift> chekc out my mem usage, it doesn't add up.  This is a recurring problem too, I'll be up to a G by tommorow night
[08:15] <piovra> i don't find it... on what repository is?
[08:15] <thrift> With the same apps running
[08:15] <will_> i use remote doesktop
[08:15] <thrift> piovra: I don't know, you should have it installed if you have xcompmgr I thought, it could be transet too
[08:16] <ogra> thrift: i dont think so.....
[08:16] <ogra> thrift: since when is the box running
[08:16] <shingokii> hmm, I think freevo is in universe, so I can't post a bug on it
[08:16] <|0__0|> yeah
[08:16] <|0__0|> sucks
[08:16] <thrift> ogra: It's not in any of my repositories.  Last time I had transet I installed from cvs *shrgs*  under 24 hours
[08:16] <shingokii> but it is a problem with ubuntu I think because ubuntu is missing the required packages
[08:17] <|0__0|> shingokii: you can always try building from the deb-src stuff
[08:17] <shingokii> I'm just confused now
[08:17] <thrift> ogra: I installed the k7 kernel last night at like 10, and it's been running since then(happened with 386 kernel too)
[08:17] <piovra> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ transset/
[08:17] <topyli> will_: yep, you need to open a port for that. everything else is should still be closed :)
[08:17] <piovra> i've find that
[08:17] <piovra> i try it now
[08:17] <shingokii> I think I'll try the static freevo install with everything built in, just would be nice to install it properly
[08:17] <|0__0|> shingokii: deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main
[08:17] <|0__0|> deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main
[08:17] <|0__0|> and then sudo apt-get build-dep the packages
[08:17] <shingokii> I kinda wish ubuntu could use standard debian packages with no problem
[08:17] <ogra> piovra: its in daniels repo....copy the xcompmgr line in your sources list and change xcompmgr against transset
[08:18] <|0__0|> then fakeroot apt-get source --compile yaddayadda
[08:18] <|0__0|> and it'll try to build you a deb built on and for your system
[08:18] <shingokii> right
[08:18] <piovra> ogra: yeah...i thought the same thing...
[08:18] <piovra> i'm updating
[08:18] <|0__0|> but yeah, the big static freevo ball may be your best bet just now
[08:18] <|0__0|> throw it in /opt or something
[08:18] <lupus_> can some help me
[08:19] <ogra> thrift: so, did it ever swap since then ?
[08:19] <lupus_> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Error reading from server - read (104 Connection reset by peer)
[08:19] <lupus_> I keep on getting this problem
[08:19] <will_> anyone know how to get maximum speed out of a celeron 500?
[08:19] <shingokii> will_: A steam-abacus daughterboard?
[08:20] <ogra> thrift: linux uses as much memory as it can to stay speedy.....as long as it doesnt swap i wouldnt be alarmed
[08:20] <thrift> ogra: not swap hit since I switched kernel....it'll slowly get up there if it acts like it did before it'll start swapping tonight.
[08:20] <thrift> ogra: It could be fixed though and I could be just paranoid
[08:21] <ogra> thrift: i really think you should read the mailing list.... the same question came up there a while ago ;)
[08:21] <thrift> ogra: alright, I'll take a check there and see if this thing starts going crazy as time goes by
[08:22] <ogra> thrift: it shouldnt....
[08:23] <thrift> ogra: I hope not
[08:23] <thrift> Well I'm going to head out now then and see what happens
[08:23] <thrift> later
[08:24] <ogra> thrif: got it http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-November/010470.html
[08:24] <ogra> grr
[08:28] <will_> which version of debian is hoary based on is it sid?
[08:29] <jdz`> Yes -- all Ubuntu releases are based on snapshots of Sid
[08:30] <will_> jdz: so any repository i add, should be the sid one?
[08:30] <thepotoo> uh, is there any way to change the screen resolution (noob here)?
[08:30] <jdz`> will_: I don't know that much - I haven't tried yet.  You may break things..
[08:31] <will_> jdz: mplayer wont load up :(
[08:31] <jdz`> will_: Oh.  I have mplayer working with Warty
[08:32] <will_> jdz: just insalled it, and at the command prompt, no gui comes up
[08:32] <jdz`> will_: With warty I'm using the Marillat Testing source.  I'm not sure what to sugest for Hoary but testing works for Warty
[08:33] <xukun> thepotoo: you should give more info!
[08:33] <jdz`> will_: Did you try `gmplayer' for the gui?
[08:34] <will_> jdz:oops!
[08:34] <JStrike> Is John Hornbeck here?
[08:35] <will_> jdz: is there any real difference between -386 and -586?
[08:35] <ogra> JStrike: --> hornbeck
[08:35] <jdz`> will_: From what I understand -- the 568 package is simply more optomized for modern processors.  If it works, it may be faster
[08:35] <thepotoo> ah, I have an S3 SuperSavage video card, and I would like to set the resolution to 1024x768.  Is there a startup command to do this?  (i think in knoppix it was fb1024x768)
[08:36] <JStrike> hornbeck : ping
[08:36] <JStrike> ogra : Thanks
[08:36] <will_> thepotoo:i have one of those cards somewhere!
[08:36] <ogra> :)
[08:37] <thepotoo> will_:yeah, and they suxxorz ;)
[08:38] <Tyche> What is the enterprise version?
[08:38] <thepotoo> can anyone help me?
[08:40] <xukun> thepotoo: did you set the HorizSync and the VertRefresh, Ubuntu is not like knoppix
[08:40] <Kamion> Tyche: what enterprise version?
[08:40] <thepotoo> uh, no, how do i set that?
[08:40] <xukun> hmm
[08:40] <Tyche> Kamion: On the frontpage ubuntu.com it talks about an enterprise version.
[08:41] <dle> Hi all. If you find that its anti-aliasing looks a little weak compared to Fedora's for example, edit  /etc/fonts/local.conf and uncomment the last block.
[08:41] <xukun> thepotoo: what kind of monitor?
[08:41] <thepotoo> um, it's just a 1024x768 built-in laptop display
[08:41] <thepotoo> toshiba
[08:42] <Tyche> Kamion: "Ubuntu will always be free of charge, and there is no extra fee for the "enterprise edition", we make our very best work available to everyone on the same Free terms."
[08:42] <jdz`> dle: Interesting.  thanks.  Might consitor sugesting that to the mailing-list or posting on the wiki...
[08:42] <dle> jdz`, sure. :)
[08:42] <shingokii> ah well, freevo bundle doesn't work
[08:42] <Kamion> Tyche: doesn't exist yet; if it exists, it'll be a version much like the current ones but supported for much longer
[08:43] <oddabe19> dle, or you could do a HOW-TO on the forum
[08:43] <Kamion> Tyche: the comment on the website is hypothetical
[08:43] <xukun> thepotoo: 15 inch
[08:43] <thepotoo> yeah
[08:44] <ogra> thepotoo: already tried Computer->System Settings->Resolution ?
[08:44] <xukun> thepotoo: can u grep VertRefresh and HorizSync in /etc/X11/XF86config-4
[08:45] <thepotoo> ogra: yeah, and of course, all it has is 800x600 or less
[08:45] <thepotoo> does ubuntu require drivers?
[08:45] <xukun> thepotoo: also grep "Driver" /etc/X11/XF86config-4
[08:45] <Tyche> Kamion: Okay, just wondering...didn't see anything to download...just wanted to check.
[08:45] <ogra> thepotoo: nope.... xukun is right...the detection missed a bit it seems...adjust these values
[08:47] <ogra> thepotoo: which model ?
[08:47] <thepotoo> ok, thanks, guys
[08:47] <thepotoo> toshiba satellite 1138-1171 iirc
[08:48] <ogra> thepotoo: there are some sttelites, probably you can get info there: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[08:50] <thepotoo> AWESOME!  Thank you so much!
[08:50] <ogra> :)
[08:50] <zenwhen> Hey ogra.
[08:50] <zenwhen> Whats up?
[08:50] <ogra> hey zen
[08:52] <ogra> zenwhen: just wanted to pop in to tell everybody that the german "linux user" has a ubuntu CD inside this month....now i am stuck here since a hour again, heh
[08:52] <xukun> thepotoo: you can always boot from the knoppix cd and copy the XF86config-4 to your ubuntu's /etc/X11/XF86config-4
[08:52] <thepotoo> oh, yeah.
[08:52] <thepotoo> i'll do that, thanks
[08:52] <xukun> that should do it
[08:52] <zenwhen> Awesome.
[08:53] <zenwhen> Hopefully Linux Format will have Ubuntu in the cover.
[08:53] <zenwhen> I write them a letter requesting them to.
[08:53] <zenwhen> wrote*
[08:53] <ogra> zew: if they test it ..... they will be convinced *g*
[08:56] <hornbeck> JStrike?
[08:56] <xukun> guys if I cant find a package whith apt-get, how can I get it in warty without messing with the sources.list?
[08:58] <Tyche> I wanted the latest Apache/MySQL/PHP install so I uninstalled and set it up myself...is there an easier way to getting the latest of those apps?
[08:58] <ogra> xukun: what are you looking for ?
[08:58] <Treenaks> Tyche: just use the versions in hoary?
[08:58] <Treenaks> Tyche: you don't need newer version
[08:58] <ogra> Tyche: what for do you need a newer one ?
[08:58] <JStrike> hornbeck : Was just looking through your Beagle wiki entry. Seems a bit silly everyone building their own versions of Beagle, Inotify kernel and evo#. Is it not possible to create the debs and post them to universe or some such to reduce the duplication?
[08:59] <xukun> ogra: Apache/MySQL/PHP
[09:00] <ogra> xukun: sudo apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php4 mysql-server phpmyadmin
[09:01] <xukun> ogra: Ok,
[09:01] <ogra> xukun: oh, i forgot : php4-mysql
[09:02] <xukun> ogra: I,m also very new to this, I,m daying for a good howto for newbie setting all that up and running for newbie like me, I did tryied google
[09:03] <d0gmaz> how do i upgrade to x.org with the least trouble?
[09:03] <ogra> xukun: the doc team here is working hard on something that applies to ubuntu...but it will take its time....
[09:03] <corbob> what comes after grumpy?
[09:03] <fissy> how do i uninstall a program using apt-get at the cli?
[09:03] <corbob> there's not too many hog names left;)
[09:03] <ogra> xukun: but the wiki is a good place to start.....
[09:04] <ogra> d0gmaz: define trouble ;)
[09:04] <ogra> corbob: perky
[09:04] <ogra> corbob: penguin
[09:04] <corbob> the perky...
[09:04] <corbob> that's not a hog:P
[09:04] <snaga> can anyone point me to docs for setting up basic Apache2 ssl (https) support?
[09:04] <ogra> corbob: afaik not :)
[09:04] <corbob> i was thinking the ... water hog...
[09:05] <corbob> there's also a mexican hog...
[09:05] <ogra> corbob: you can make suggestions.... dig the wiki... i dunno the url ;)
[09:05] <dle> looks like someone beat me to it: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=16946#post16946
[09:05] <d0gmaz> ogra, well dunno :P but what's the best way? remove xfree restart install xorg or just install xorg?
[09:06] <ogra> d0gmaz: you shouldnt mix hoary and warty.... could break.....
[09:06] <d0gmaz> ogra, i updated all other packages to hoary
[09:06] <ogra> d0gmaz: smart-upgrade/dist-upgrade ??
[09:07] <corbob> if i order cds, then realise i need more, would it be difficult to update my order, assuming it hasn't been shipped...
[09:07] <d0gmaz> ogra, smart upgrade
[09:07] <corbob> or should i just order like 30 cds and try and find people to give it to;)
[09:07] <ogra> d0gmaz: so you got xorg in front of your eyes i guess....
[09:07] <cenerentola> is there mako?
[09:08] <xukun> ogra: I was afraid of this but phpmyadmin and php4-mysql are lot in the repositories of warty
[09:08] <ogra> xukun: enabled universe ?
[09:08] <d0gmaz> ogra, no
[09:08] <d0gmaz> ogra, i updated all packages to hoary wich are installed
[09:08] <ogra> d0gmaz: smart upgrade pulls them in
[09:09] <d0gmaz> ogra, not xorg if xfree is installed i think?
[09:09] <ogra> d0gmaz: look in /etc/X11 for a file called xorg.conf
[09:09] <ogra> d0gmaz: if its there you got xorg
[09:09] <d0gmaz> ogra, its XF86Config-4 im still on xfree
[09:10] <corbob> d0gmaz, i did the same thing, and i have xorg installed
[09:10] <Tyche> Treenaks & Ogra: Would just be nice to know I am up-to-date. I am currently running Apache 2.0.52, MySQL 4.1.7, PHP 4.3.9
[09:10] <ogra> d0gmaz: is there a file called xorg.conf ?
[09:10] <d0gmaz> ogra, nope
[09:10] <corbob> d0gmaz, do a search in synaptic for xserver...
[09:10] <ogra> d0gmaz: so it wasnt a smart upgrade
[09:11] <Treenaks> Tyche: just keep running the versions in hoary/warty
[09:11] <ogra> d0gmaz: XF86Config-4 will be there too....
[09:11] <Treenaks> Tyche: what functionality is missing?
[09:11] <corbob> it should show both xserver-xfree86 and xserver-xorg, only one of them should be installed...
[09:11] <d0gmaz> ogra, i start synaptic with the hoary mirrors setup refresh upgrade smart
[09:11] <Tyche> Treenaks: I do not know...I didn't not upgrade because it wasn't doing something.
[09:11] <d0gmaz> yes xfree is installed and i want xorg whats the best way to do?
[09:12] <corbob> d0gmaz, use synaptic to install xserver-xorg, and it will automagically remove xfree86
[09:12] <ogra> d0gmaz: listen to corbob
[09:12] <Treenaks> Tyche: you almost never need newer versions than available as packages
[09:12] <mrjive> hi *
[09:12] <corbob> at least it appears that it would do the same thing in reverse
[09:12] <d0gmaz> corbob, ok thanks
[09:12] <corbob> and you'll need to reboot, cause i think it messes with how themes would normally be installed and what not
[09:13] <mako> cenerentola: there is mako
[09:13] <d0gmaz> corbob, i also saw a package for make live easier with installing xorg do i need it?
[09:13] <corbob> hrm i gotta get ready to go out
[09:13] <corbob> d0gmaz, ???
[09:13] <lupus_> is there a plugin for rhytmbox
[09:13] <lupus_> for lyrics?
[09:14] <ogra> d0gmaz: you dont need to do anything to get xorg up, i guess you wont even notice the change
[09:14] <corbob> only people like me would notice the difference:P
[09:14] <corbob> i don't have artifacts left when i move windows anymore:)
[09:14] <Tyche> Treenaks: On this system...I have nothing installed, what is the best way to install?
[09:14] <ogra> corbob: hehe
[09:14] <ogra> corbob: great
[09:15] <Tyche> Treenaks: Is it just by using Synaptic and searching for apache2?
[09:15] <corbob> actually that seems to be the 2.6 kernel, cause very time i tried the 2.4 kernel i had artifacts
[09:15] <ogra> corbob: 2.4 on hoary ?
[09:15] <Treenaks> Tyche: yes
[09:16] <ogra> Tyche: synaptic will also care for security fixes
[09:16] <Tyche> Treenaks: and then it will just work? No configuration or anything? Where do I find the docroot, etc?
[09:16] <ogra> Tyche: ...if set up correctly
[09:16] <ogra> Tyche: /var/www
[09:16] <corbob> ogra, no not on hoary
[09:16] <corbob> on other distros
[09:17] <Treenaks> Tyche: it'll just work
[09:17] <Treenaks> Tyche: read the config and documentation in /usr/share/doc/
[09:17] <corbob> well off to have lunch with the girly friend
[09:18] <corbob> will be ordering cds either tonight or tomorrow morning, once i find out how many i should order
[09:18] <ogra> corbob bye....come back ;)
[09:19] <d0gmaz> wow went well im updated to xorg without trouble
[09:19] <dle> I need to figure out why my .procmailrc is being ignored.  All my mail is going to the spool rather than thru spamc/spamd and to my mailboxes.  Any ideas why this might be?
[09:20] <Treenaks> ditCh: on ubuntu?
[09:20] <Treenaks> dle: on ubuntu?
[09:20] <dle> Treenaks, yes.
[09:20] <Tyche> Treenaks & Ogra: Okay, thanks. Sorry still used to confuring everything on my own. What about setting it up to start on start up?
[09:20] <Treenaks> dle: do you have a ~/.forward and/or mailbox_command in /etc/postfix/main.cf
[09:20] <ogra> Tyche: auto ....... hehe
[09:21] <Tyche> ogra: Nice...this is going to spoil me?
[09:21] <Treenaks> Tyche: probably ;)
[09:21] <ogra> Tyche: thats ubuntu !!
[09:21] <JStrike> So, how stable is Hoary right now? Unusable or usable but you get both pieces?
[09:21] <dle> Treenaks: I have a .forward.  mailbox_command I'm not familiar with.
[09:21] <Treenaks> ogra: and debian, for that matter
[09:21] <ogra> yep
[09:21] <Treenaks> dle: make sure .forward is parsed
[09:21] <JB80> JStrike, i havent managed to break it yet
[09:21] <Gwildor_> jstrike, I am having no troubles atm, but I am newb, and don't test too much
[09:21] <dle> Treenaks: is that what mailbox_command should take care of?
[09:22] <Treenaks> dle: no, that's just for a global configuration (isntead of .forward)
[09:22] <Treenaks> dle: just look on postfix.org on how to set up postfix..
[09:22] <JB80> kind of dissapointing, ive done everything short of rm -rf /* and just cant seem to hose it
[09:22] <dle> mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION"  Boing.
[09:22] <Treenaks> JB80: which is a good thing, right
[09:22] <dle> it was commented
[09:22] <Tyche> Treenaks & Ogra: Do either of you use webmin?
[09:23] <Treenaks> dle: yes.. also, are you sure mail is coming through postfix?
[09:23] <Treenaks> dle: it's not by default
[09:23] <ogra> Tyche: nope
[09:23] <Treenaks> Tyche: no, hard-core command line, dude ;)
[09:23] <JStrike> And is hoary running Gnome 2.9.1 or 2.8.x ?
[09:23] <JB80> i guess, i like to break whatever system im on a couple times and put it back together
[09:23] <dle> Treenaks: I bring it in w/ fetchmail.
[09:23] <Gwildor_> jstrike, cant tell ya, winows at work atm, sorry
[09:24] <Treenaks> dle: ah ok.. then it should be going through postfix
[09:24] <lupus_> JStrike, 2.9.1
[09:24] <dle> Treenaks: that's what I thought. :)
[09:24] <d0gmaz> lupus_, sure?
[09:24] <d0gmaz> gnome-about
[09:24] <lupus_> parts of it
[09:24] <Tyche> Ogra & Treenaks: Well I'm sorta in between...I need something to help me configure!
[09:24] <lupus_> gnome-applet = 2.9.1
[09:24] <lupus_> evolution 2.1
[09:25] <lupus_> etc
[09:25] <seb128> hoary has all the GNOME 2.9.1 released
[09:25] <Treenaks> Tyche: just look in /etc/apache2
[09:25] <seb128> gnome-about 2.9.1 has not been released
[09:25] <Treenaks> Tyche: the files are well-commented
[09:25] <seb128> gnome-desktop rather
[09:25] <Treenaks> Tyche: and /usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/ (install the 'apache2-doc' package)
[09:25] <Treenaks> Tyche: and httpd.apache.org
[09:25] <ogra> Tyche: webmin is a pain on ubuntu..... because of sudo......the concepts dont go well together
[09:25] <JB80> do ditch sudo
[09:25] <JB80> so even
[09:26] <ogra> Tyche: Treenaks is right
[09:26] <Treenaks> JB80: no, there's a good reason to keep it
[09:26] <Treenaks> JB80: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:26] <JB80> you like gettin rooted?
[09:27] <Treenaks> JB80: read the page, people have explained this hundreds of times
[09:27] <ogra> Treenaks: we got a bot....look
[09:27] <Treenaks> JB80: having a root password is not really "more secure" than not having one
[09:27] <ogra> bonobo: sudo
[09:27] <bonobo> usage of sudo in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:27] <stvn> JB80: no, hance no root here :P
[09:27] <Treenaks> ogra: I know, I got ops in it ;)
[09:27] <ogra> Treenaks: ah great!!
[09:27] <ogra> Treenaks: me too....
[09:28] <JB80> ive read it, many years of working with production servers cannot be changed by one page praising sudo
[09:28] <d0gmaz> whats the best ftp server for linux?
[09:28] <stvn> ogra: is there a list with commands somewhere, which I can view unintrusivly?
[09:28] <Treenaks> JB80: I've run many production servers as well, using su and sudo
[09:28] <stvn> ^bot
[09:28] <Treenaks> JB80: I'm really inclined to sudo really.. especially if you have more than one sysadmin
[09:28] <ogra> stvn: i only got a url to the docu....
[09:28] <stvn> ogra: that's fine
[09:28] <JB80> i prefer rsa keys if you have more than one admin
[09:29] <stvn> ogra: oh wait, that's prolly general docu, right?
[09:29] <ogra> http://supybot.sourceforge.net/docs/plugins/Utilities.html#re
[09:29] <ogra> stvn
[09:29] <{Fah-Q}> JB80: rsa keys do no t log commands
[09:29] <ogra> stvn: nothing more
[09:29] <Treenaks> JB80: yes, RSA keys for logging in as a user, then sudo for the audit trial of who runs which programs as root
[09:29] <{Fah-Q}> so tracking down errors is more difficult
[09:29] <JB80> yeah its called .bash_history
[09:30] <{Fah-Q}> JB80: thats called incomplete and overwriteen when other users log out
[09:30] <Treenaks> JB80: which doesn't have timestamps
[09:30] <JB80> no but the main server logs which server you logged into and when
[09:31] <{Fah-Q}> but if logging in as root and having unaudited changes makes you feel better, rock on
[09:31] <Treenaks> JB80: yes.. but sometimes timing _is_ important
[09:31] <boebeer> how do i close the X server....
[09:31] <Gwildor_> ctrl-alt-backspace
[09:31] <Treenaks> JB80: (bad coordination, 2 roots logged in at the same time.. that's most often the cause of trouble in places I've worked)
[09:31] <{Fah-Q}> boebeer: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:31] <boebeer> thats restart...
[09:31] <stvn> boebeer: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:32] <JB80> bottom line is i can break a regular user account much quicker than root and if that user has sudo priviledges youre owned
[09:32] <boebeer> lets try
[09:32] <Gwildor_> boebeer, hmm, maybe my comps mest, have to restart on my own when I do that
[09:32] <{Fah-Q}> JB80: thtat really depends.
[09:32] <stvn> JBBthere's no difference in password encryption between root passwords and others
[09:32] <JB80> stvn: im aware of that
[09:33] <{Fah-Q}> besides, most breakins dont involve brute forcing the password
[09:33] <{Fah-Q}> they invove stack smashing and privledge escalatioin
[09:33] <Treenaks> JB80: you can't sudo without a password. if you allow _only_ RSA logins to the server, you'll need an RSA key AND a password
[09:33] <JB80> no usually crap code, maybe owned by a user with too many priviledges? do you run a web site as the root user?
[09:34] <Treenaks> JB80: make sure your roots know they should use different passwords for SSH keys and sudo access and you're more secure (no one root password to guess, but muiltiple)
[09:34] <{Fah-Q}> JB80: you more or less have to start apache as root, or setup a proxy
[09:35] <JB80> not trying to be argumentative, im just not sold on handing over my box to sudo
[09:35] <stvn> ogra: TBH it would be nice to get a list of available commands, otherwise it's kinda hard to use the bot ;)
[09:35] <JB80> no apache runs as nobody if properly configured
[09:35] <Treenaks> JB80: different views then.. I wouldn't let you near my servers ;)
[09:35] <ogra> JB80: nope, apache runs as www-data
[09:35] <{Fah-Q}> the parent process is running as root
[09:35] <{Fah-Q}> and running it as nobody isnt advicsed eiether
[09:36] <JB80> only if you let debian/ubuntu go with their default install
[09:36] <Treenaks> JB80: which is usually a good choice
[09:37] <ogra> Treenaks  :)
[09:37] <Tyche> Treenaks: what is httpd.apache.org? I have typed that in the search in synaptic
[09:37] <dario> hi everybody
[09:37] <Treenaks> Tyche: type that in your web browser
[09:37] <Treenaks> Tyche: install apache2-doc using synapic
[09:38] <JB80> agreed different views...thank god i didnt get my security training from the ubuntu site
[09:38] <dario> I'm a newbye, I have just installed ubuntu, but I didn't understand how to access my systen as root, help me. please?
[09:39] <Tyche> Treenaks: Gotcha, thanks.
[09:39] <hays_> dario: sudo command
[09:39] <ogra> bonobo: sudo
[09:39] <bonobo> usage of sudo in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:40] <ogra> dario: see the url
[09:40] <Tyche> Treenaks & Ogra: Any other web server apps that will make a nice install?
[09:40] <Treenaks> Tyche: uh.. whatever you need
[09:40] <ogra> Tyche: depends what you want
[09:40] <stvn> hm it is more useful if the bot also puts the name to which it is intended
[09:40] <ogra> stvn: so learn programming it.... :)
[09:41] <stvn> lol
[09:41] <ogra> hehe
[09:41] <d0gmaz> what to do about a crashing XMMS?
[09:41] <ilmari> can't canonical affort proper certificates for their site?
[09:41] <Tyche> Treenaks & Ogra: mostly a learning server. going to install web server apps and maybe a mail server...simple with synaptic for that also? i was going to use qmail?
[09:41] <ogra> d0gmaz: use another player ?
[09:41] <stvn> ogra: I prefer not to ruin this channel with my br0ken code ;)
[09:41] <Treenaks> Tyche: postfix is installed by default
[09:41] <d0gmaz> ogra, nah too easy
[09:41] <ogra> stvn: you can test it in msg mode
[09:41] <Treenaks> Tyche: try to learn that (www.postfix.org)
[09:42] <ogra> d0gmaz: got a nvidia card ? they cause trouble with xmms i heard
[09:42] <Tyche> treenaks: Okay, thank you again for all your help...many thanks to you also Ogra. I'm really liking Ubuntu and working to get the most out of it.
[09:42] <d0gmaz> ogra, yes
[09:43] <{Fah-Q}> ogra: i have no issues with xmms & nvidia
[09:43] <ogra> Tyche: youre welcome..... ask again :)
[09:43] <StarScream> hey guys, when i connect to the internet it using pppd, i need a way to get my route automagically configured
[09:43] <Tyche> Ogra: Just afraid of asking stupid crap,.
[09:43] <StarScream> as it is i have to type route add default gw <dynamic ip>
[09:43] <ogra> Tyche: only wrong answers are stupid :)
[09:44] <StarScream> which is ok for me, but not for other people that use my machine
[09:44] <Friczy> StarScream: is defaultroute in your ppp options file?
[09:44] <{Fah-Q}> StarScreem: check out pppd's defaultroute feature
[09:44] <cenerentola> mako
[09:44] <dario> ok, thanks, we'll see later...
[09:44] <will_> nautilus seems to crash a lot in hoary
[09:45] <dario> is there in base system a cd-burning app?
[09:45] <ogra> dario: nautilus
[09:45] <JB80> dario: nautilus
[09:45] <ogra> he
[09:45] <ogra> lol
[09:45] <JB80> lol
[09:45] <StarScream> Friczy, can that be done dynamically? i.e if the ip isn't the same all the time
[09:45] <dario> nautilus?
[09:45] <Friczy> StarScream: yes
[09:46] <JB80> the filemanager in gnome
[09:46] <{Fah-Q}> StarScreem: tahts the whole point of defaultroute
[09:46] <{Fah-Q}> :)
[09:46] <Tyche> Treenaks: I have heard that Qmail is very secure and hard to install... I plan on reading and using postfix...I'm assuming it is secure. I have heard bad things about sendmail.
[09:46] <Friczy> StarScream: just write defaultroute in your ppp options file (I don't know the exact location in ubuntu :( )
[09:46] <kent> Do mplayer or totem support playing ogm-files with subtitles? Im trying to watch a film here, but totem wont play it, and mplayer dont show the subtitles :(
[09:46] <Treenaks> Tyche: qmail also has licensing issues.. postfix is pretty secure itself
[09:46] <StarScream> Friczy, thanks
[09:46] <dario> and what's about video editing-encoding-decoding?
[09:46] <ogra> {Fah-Q}: the nvidia binary drivers forced to install libmikmod to run xmms... i just searched for the bug, but seems gone....was a thread on the mailing list
[09:47] <ogra> dario: try kino
[09:47] <Tyche> Treenaks: Well there is a lot for me to do. Off I go!
[09:47] <will_> kent: get vlc
[09:47] <dario> ora : but is it in teh first installation? now I'm using a debian sarge, not ubuntu
[09:48] <kent> will_, whats vlc?
[09:48] <Tyche> Treenaks: LOL, I'm back. postfix-mysql, need it right now?
[09:48] <will_> video lan
[09:48] <will_> its in the repositories
[09:48] <{Fah-Q}> ogra: ws this an issue with ubuntu or nvidia & xmms in general??
[09:48] <{Fah-Q}> just curious
[09:48] <Treenaks> Tyche: just stay with postfix and postfix-doc
[09:48] <Treenaks> Tyche: you'll only need postfix-mysql if you want postfix to read stuff from mysql instead of just from files
[09:48] <ogra> {Fah-Q}: dunno, i just followed the ML thread.... and some ppl had probs there
[09:49] <d0gmaz> ogra, nvidia and xmms in general i had it with other distro's but got it fixed i only dont remember how
[09:49] <kent> will_, installing it now. Hopefully it works.
[09:49] <dario> I'm not using an adsl connection, there is a way to obtain the repository of packages?
[09:49] <ogra> d0gmaz: probably you should take xmms for the 21th cent. and install beep-media-player (gtk2 version of xmms)
[09:50] <d0gmaz> ogra, hmm maybe
[09:50] <ogra> d0gmaz: big font advantage :)
[09:50] <d0gmaz> ogra, but i liked the xmms x-chat script so much :)
[09:51] <trans_err> some of my fonts are refusing to work- they complain that they lack a fonts.dir -- how can I fix this?
[09:51] <ogra> d0gmaz: whats the error with it ?
[09:51] <d0gmaz> nothing it just hangs
[09:51] <kent> will_, it worked, thanks
[09:52] <will_> kent: its very good and uses its own built in codecs, run it with wxvlc
[09:52] <plovs> ogra, nice app you made, and that in two days from scratch, well done
[09:52] <ogra> d0gmaz: if you start it in a term ?
[09:52] <will_> plovs: what app is it?
[09:52] <ogra> plovs: thanks.... i'm just looking at the patches i got....
[09:53] <plovs> will_, a small utility to say which kernel you want to boot first, in python
[09:53] <d0gmaz> ogra, same problem
[09:53] <ogra> will_: got no website yet....but a screenshot is there: http://www.grawert.net/software/startup-settings/
[09:53] <ogra> d0gmaz: no errors ?
[09:53] <d0gmaz> no
[09:53] <will_> humm
[09:53] <ogra> weird
[09:53] <d0gmaz> ogra, no popups no error in the terminal
[09:54] <d0gmaz> ogra, i think it has something todo with OSS and ALSA things
[09:54] <ogra> d0gmaz: use the esd output plugin
[09:55] <d0gmaz> esd?
[09:55] <d0gmaz> eSOUNd?
[09:55] <ogra> d0gmaz: yep
[09:55] <d0gmaz> ogra,  failed to open audio output
[09:56] <ogra> d0gmaz: argh...youre on hoary ?
[09:56] <d0gmaz> ogra, yes i am
[09:56] <ogra> d0gmaz: does: ps ax|grep esd  say anything ?
[09:56] <ogra> bonobo: stvn
[09:56] <bonobo> : stvn is the master of the bot
[09:57] <ogra> hehe
[09:57] <d0gmaz> ogra, 4538 ?  S  0:00 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps
[09:57] <stvn> bonobo: stvn ogra
[09:57] <bonobo> ogra: stvn is the master of the bot
[09:57] <stvn> that's the way to do it :P
[09:58] <stvn> i've upgraded nvidia and sudo
[09:58] <stvn> mplayer
[09:58] <ogra> stvn: hmm it should also tell that its a bot.....
[09:59] <will_> any one had problems with locales and error messages in hoary?
[09:59] <mg> will_: yes, just submitting a bug report now for subversion
[09:59] <ogra> will_: they will get worse.....
[10:00] <ogra> will_: splitting out the language packs wil be a big change to come next in hoary
[10:00] <stvn> ogra: true, only need to figure out a nice way
[10:00] <will_> in synaptic i get an error on startup!
[10:01] <stvn> add bonobo: echo "Sorry I'm just a bot"
[10:01] <mg> will_: en_GB.UTF-8 here. synaptic is ok.
[10:01] <will_> thats what i tried, but no luck!
[10:01] <Treenaks> bonobo: test
[10:01] <bonobo> Treenaks: Error: 'test' is not a valid command.
[10:01] <will_> mg: do you have any other locales set up, but not used?
[10:01] <acecase> hello
[10:01] <stvn> bonobo:
[10:01] <mg> will_: that is the only one i have
[10:01] <boldii> hi
[10:02] <stvn> oh, stupid me, sorry
[10:02] <mg> will_: if i add iso-8859-1 with utf-8 as the default then it works ok.
[10:02] <acecase> how do you set the brightness for you're consol? i disabled gdm on startup and when I get the consol login prompt its to dark to see
[10:02] <ogra> stvn: suppressing errors would be great.......
[10:02] <will_> mg: but you actively use UTF-8?
[10:02] <stvn> yeah, thinking of it
[10:02] <boldii> I just wanted hoary and now it sticks at Configuring bash (3.0-9ubuntu1) ... for 10 minutes now ...
[10:02] <stvn> ogra: but prolly need to talk to wfx about it
[10:03] <ogra> bonobo: hoary Treenaks
[10:03] <bonobo> the hoary hedgehog is ubuntus unstable development branch see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog
[10:03] <mg> will_: sometimes, yes. for web apps for instance. also, some uk symbols do not fit in the ansi set.
[10:03] <will_> okay gotta restart x brb
[10:04] <d0gmaz> ogra, i fixed it dunno how but i reinstalled removed some codecs and now it works
[10:04] <ogra> great !
[10:05] <ogra> self solving buds are the best ;)
[10:05] <d0gmaz> yea :P but would liked to know how :P
[10:05] <ogra> bugs
[10:05] <acecase> consol isn't the correct term for it, is it? what i meen is the command line interface you get (bash prompt) without X
 ogra, i fixed it dunno how but i reinstalled removed some codecs and now it works
[10:05] <d0gmaz> hehe
[10:06] <jono_> anyone here fancy writing a hack for O'Reilly Linux Desktop Hacks about getting DVD support working in Linux?
[10:06] <Tyche> ogra & treenaks: I have installed apache/mysql/php through synaptic and reading through documentation a little and looking at conf file...and do not see where the /docroot is. I deleted the apache files from the /var/www and when I hit local host I still get the apache test screen. Suggestions?
[10:07] <acecase> jono_, DVD support is "just there" in most distros now
[10:07] <Treenaks> Tyche: read the apache docs again :)
[10:07] <boldii> can nobody help?
[10:07] <floppy_za> ff
[10:07] <jono_> acecase, really?
[10:07] <acecase> the only time I have ever had to do anything to get dvd support is when I use gentoo or LFS
[10:07] <Treenaks> Tyche: there are sites-enabled and sites-available
[10:07] <Treenaks> Tyche: look there
[10:07] <jono_> there is no support in ubuntu from what I can tell
[10:08] <Treenaks> bonobo: dvd jono_
[10:08] <bonobo> to view dvd's read this -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:08] <acecase> jono_, well i prolly shouldn't say that since i haven't used allot of distros but yeah, redhat, debian, ubuntu, mandrake all support dvd playback by default
[10:08] <stockholm> any ubuntu developers with some python postinst karma here?
[10:09] <jono_> is there support in ubuntu?
[10:09] <jono_> I had problems playing a DVD when I first installed warty
[10:09] <Treenaks> jono_: yes, just read that page
[10:09] <hays_> jono_: he posted a link for you to read
[10:09] <Treenaks> jono_: it explains how to enable DVD support
[10:09] <ogra> acecase: not by default...read the url from bonobo
[10:09] <acecase> i don't like ubuntu's vid player so i installed mplayer :) mplayer plays em :)
[10:09] <jono_> oh I se
[10:09] <jono_> see
[10:09] <acecase> ogra, ic sorry
[10:10] <JStrike> jono_ : Fluendo are writing a dvd player for linux that will solve your prolblems
[10:10] <calc> GeosB: huh?
[10:10] <ogra> acecase: its a sad situation....supportwise.....one of the gratest FAQs in here
[10:10] <jono_> JStrike, really? cool :)
[10:10] <acecase> what i ment was that "linux" doesn't need any configuration behond default for most distros. you "may" need to install mplayer if it isn't by default
[10:10] <dario> I'm not using an adsl connection, there is a way to obtain the repository of packages?
[10:10] <JStrike> It should be the first one other than LinDVD(Which isn't available to the public)
[10:11] <acecase> or xine or whatever you like
[10:11] <jono_> ok next question, anyone here locked down kde/gnome as a kiosk? I need a hack for that too
[10:11] <ogra> acecase: jep ;)
[10:11] <d0gmaz> when is hoary as a new version?
[10:11] <ogra> d0gmaz: april
[10:12] <ogra> d0gmaz: far beyound what you see now i would guess
[10:12] <Tyche> Treenaks: how about a way to make nautilus only operate in one window instead of opening a new one each time?
[10:12] <ogra> Tyche: middlemouse
[10:12] <stockholm> daniels: ?
[10:12] <Treenaks> Tyche: look in the configuration-editor
[10:12] <daniels> stockholm: what
[10:13] <daniels> sorry
[10:13] <d0gmaz> ogra, its the best preconfigured linux setup ive ever seen everything just works
[10:13] <acecase> anyone else here use DVB/VDR?
[10:13] <daniels> stockholm: what's up?
[10:13] <d0gmaz> how can i see the PID of an application running?
[10:13] <ogra> d0gmaz: yep.... and it will get better, as ubuntu got the _best_ developers....or not daniels ?
[10:13] <stockholm> daniels: can you point me to a python postinst/config pair that does /etc/ configfile creation/rewriting in python?
[10:13] <acecase> top
[10:13] <will_> stockholm: you from stockholm?
[10:14] <stockholm> will_: sdertlje.
[10:14] <acecase> d0gmaz, top :) sorry
[10:14] <will_> stockholm:rsta
[10:14] <dario> d0gmaz : use top, or ps aux | grep 'application-name'
[10:14] <daniels> stockholm: not now
[10:14] <jrydberg_> so why call yourself Stockholm if you're not from Stockholm?
[10:14] <stockholm> daniels: dont you guys do that?
[10:14] <dario> I'm not using an adsl connection, how can I install other ubuntu application?
[10:14] <jrydberg_> That would be like me calling myself Sodertalje.
[10:14] <d0gmaz> thanks acecase and dario
[10:15] <ogra> stockholm: postinst is mostly shell....
[10:15] <stockholm> daniels: who would know?
[10:15] <daniels> stockholm: i don't know, ask someone else
[10:15] <daniels> stockholm: i'm very busy atm
[10:15] <Tyche> treenaks: everytime I talk in here I find out more and more and have to learn more and more of the tricks! =)
[10:15] <will_> anyone got some python speed problems with hoary?
[10:15] <Treenaks> Tyche: cool huh? :)
[10:16] <mg> will_: no
[10:16] <acecase> wanna here something funny? lol where is grub.conf? :) ubuntu has a more advanced boot config system and I'm kinda lost
[10:16] <stockholm> mdz: ?
[10:16] <ogra> stockholm: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/index.en.html
[10:16] <mdz> stockholm: ?
[10:16] <Zindar> acecase: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:16] <stockholm> mdz: can you point me to a python postinst/config pair that does /etc/ configfile creation/rewriting in python?
[10:17] <acecase> Zindar, thanks
[10:17] <stockholm> ogra: what about that?
[10:17] <mdz> stockholm: no, I use ucf in that case
[10:17] <ogra> stockholm: packaging guide....
[10:18] <dario> please, give me a hint : I haven't adsl at home, I installed the base from ubunu cd; there is a way to install other applications?
[10:18] <ogra> mdz: thought you prepare your (deserved) holiday
[10:18] <mdz> ogra: tomorrow
[10:18] <ogra> ;)
[10:18] <stockholm> mdz: who would do somethng like that? i figured that one of you guys would be most likely
[10:18] <ogra> ejoy
[10:18] <ogra> +n
[10:18] <mdz> thanks
[10:18] <stockholm> ogra: yes, and?
[10:18] <stockholm> ogra: i know how packaging works.
[10:19] <ogra> stockholm: thought it could help you sorry if not
[10:19] <mdz> stockholm: which piece are you looking for?  a parser for a certain type of file?
[10:19] <stockholm> ogra: and postinsts can be more then just shell
[10:19] <ogra> stockholm: i said its mostly....
[10:19] <GFXstyLER> hi
[10:19] <stockholm> mdz: preferably for python config files
[10:19] <stockholm> ogra: yes, you did, thanks
[10:19] <mdz> stockholm: ConfigParser stuff?
[10:19] <ogra> stockholm: smalles compatibility layer
[10:19] <joh_> how does the pressed Ubuntu CDs look like?
[10:19] <mdz> joh_: pretty :-)
[10:20] <ogra> hehe
[10:20] <GFXstyLER> lol
[10:20] <joh_> :)
[10:20] <joh_> is there a picture?
[10:20] <GFXstyLER> how long does it take until the cds are here?
[10:20] <stockholm> mdz: i does need to handle things like *writing* the changed config file out again, and needs to catch import directives.
[10:21] <bash> the server is down ?
[10:21] <acecase> i don't see any boot param that will effect the consol brightness. I've never had this problem, didn't even know you could control the brighness of the consol
[10:22] <stockholm> ogra: you are from germany?
[10:22] <lml> I am trying to make 2 bt878 tvcards work in my Ubuntu machine and is having trouble with the /dev/dsp? devices.
[10:22] <ogra> stockholm: yep....
[10:22] <ogra> stockholm: oh, i see....
[10:23] <lml> I did a barebone install of Ubuntu and before I did a dist-upgrade on the installation I had /dev/dsp1 and /dev/dsp2 but after the dist-upgrade they disappeared.
[10:23] <stockholm> lml: why did you upgrade?
[10:23] <stockholm> lml: was the system not up-to-date enought? (c:
[10:23] <ogra> lml: and what ?
[10:24] <stockholm> we have the same problems in debian-edu... (c:
[10:24] <lml> stockholm: because the install was one of the pre-releases so I wanted to get the to the latest.
[10:24] <stockholm> people *love* to upgrade
[10:24] <stockholm> ah
[10:24] <ogra> hehe
[10:24] <Treenaks> stockholm: hence, those people run experimental
[10:24] <lml> ogra: what what ;-) ?
[10:24] <Tyche> Treenaks & Ogra: so you guys probably use terminal most of the time and not any nautilus use.
[10:25] <stockholm> lml: i would think thers is no upgrade path from a pre-release
[10:25] <ogra> lml: i meant what did you upgrade...you answerde already... i am slow today
[10:25] <Treenaks> Tyche: sometimes a bit of nautilus.. it's nice when copying large parts of  directory trees (i.e. music files :)) from one place to another
[10:26] <ogra> stockholm: lml. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyUpgradeNotes
[10:26] <Tyche> Treenaks: What is the best way to view the documentation then in /usr/shar/doc/apache2-doc?
[10:27] <ogra> argh....sorry http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogUpgradeNotes
[10:27] <Treenaks> Tyche: less or zless, or if it's html, your web browser
[10:27] <wfx> back from work ;-)
[10:27] <boldii> I just wanted hoary and now it sticks at Configuring bash (3.0-9ubuntu1) ... for 20 minutes now ...
[10:27] <ogra> wfx !
[10:27] <boldii> any things I could do to check what is happening here?
[10:27] <lml> A bonus question while I read the upgrade notes - can any of you reach the www.spreadfirefox.com site?
[10:28] <wfx> hi ogra :-)
[10:28] <acecase> lol what is it called? im callin it a consol and I'm not getting any results from google.
[10:28] <ogra> hi; bonobo is doing great... stvn examines all commands
[10:28] <ogra> bonobo: sex
[10:28] <bonobo> im in love with ubuntu
[10:28] <ogra> hehe
[10:28] <wfx> yes :-)
[10:28] <Tomcat_> lml: No doesn't work.
[10:29] <epod> lml, no luck here
[10:29] <ogra> lml: nope
[10:29] <lml> Strange that such a high profile site is unavailable - has been for some hours now.
[10:30] <__randy__> Does anyone know of a way to completely automate a ubuntu install (other than pressing enter when cd starts)
[10:31] <acecase> __randy__, it would be nice to pass something like a -y switch to boot and have it just assume all defaults wouldn't it
[10:31] <__randy__> acecase,  I'm looking for somethign like kickstart to use in a computer lab
[10:32] <mos__> acecase: but you still have to set a username and password
[10:32] <stvn> bonobo: test
[10:32] <bonobo> stvn: Error: 'test' is not a valid command.
[10:32] <stvn> wfx: ^those I mean
[10:32] <acecase> mos__, no it could setup an internet connection and use username:user pass:pass and even setup ssh for yah lmbo :) j/k
[10:32] <stvn> bonobo: stvn wfx
[10:32] <bonobo> wfx: stvn is the master of the bot
[10:33] <acecase> there would be thousands of ubuntu boxes out there with wide open ssh :)
[10:33] <epod> Can anyone direct me to instructions on how to make gnome look all incredibly nice (like, instructions for dummies kind of thing, I can never seem to get themes installed properly)
[10:34] <acecase> and with the whole sudo scheme they would have root access :/
[10:34] <ogra> acecase: nope, sudo access
[10:34] <acecase> or yeah :)
[10:34] <ogra> acecase: ....gets logged i.e.
[10:34] <acecase> what IS the difference. i never used sudo before. is it less than root?
[10:35] <ogra> bonobo: sudo acecase
[10:35] <bonobo> acecase: The reason ubuntu uses sudo instead of a root account is explained on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:35] <ATJ_> you are root when you use sudo
[10:35] <ATJ_> try sudo bash
[10:35] <supos> hi ogra. And thanks a lot for the help with the scanner and scsi card. It works like a charm :)
[10:35] <ogra> ATJ_: in opposite to su every step gets logged.....
[10:36] <ogra> supos: happy scanning ;)
[10:36] <acecase> i gave my root a passwd :)
[10:36] <acecase> thats a nono with ubu ant it
[10:36] <ATJ_> ogra: ah ok :)
[10:37] <supos> ogra: I'll pass that on to my parents. After all it's their computer :)
[10:37] <corbob> if i have the options for a partition set to defaults,user how would i go about making it so that i can execute programs from it...
[10:37] <acecase> i like su sometimes though and didn't know you could do sudo su
[10:37] <ogra> acecase: its your system......so do it as you like, but sudo is a well thought out concept
[10:37] <corbob> acecase, sudo bash works too;)
[10:38] <epod> um, why did freeciv not magically appear in my games menu. grr!
[10:38] <acecase> corbob, cool it does :) thanks
[10:38] <ogra> acecase: and there is a "root shell" in the menu
[10:38] <corbob> that's what i use
[10:38] <corbob> ogra, but sometimes you're on ssh:P
[10:38] <corbob> or already have a terminal open
[10:38] <acecase> well i also had to give root a pass to get webmin to work
[10:39] <ogra> corbob: for me sudo is enough in this cases
[10:39] <ogra> acecase: yep, webmin is a pain in ubuntu.....
[10:39] <acecase> once i got use to using sudo i do like it though. very rarely need to issue more then one command as root
[10:39] <ogra> acecase: thats what i meant.....
[10:39] <ogra> :)
[10:39] <acecase> :)
[10:40] <ogra> btw, the sudo access stays for 10 mins or so....
[10:40] <ogra> without asking again
[10:40] <rsa> hi, i just installed ubuntu for the first time and i wondering how i update / install new package from internet ? does ubunto use debian commands like apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[10:40] <acecase> thats what is cool about an open system though :) you can make it whatever you like. if ubu was M$ we would have no choice but to sudo everything
[10:40] <ogra> rsa: yep....and synaptic
[10:40] <mos__> rsa with synaptic
[10:40] <rasher> rsa: it does, or you could use the synaptic package manager
[10:41] <rsa> okey thx
[10:41] <ogra> acecase yup
[10:42] <jono_> anyone use bogofilter here?
[10:42] <rsa> for exampel: apt-get -f -y install lynx ?
[10:42] <ogra> rsa: -f ?
[10:42] <acecase> i feal so stupid that i don't even know what the basic linux interface is called. i always called it a consol or just bash
[10:42] <ogra> rsa: something broken ?
[10:43] <rsa> hehe nope ;)
[10:43] <rsa> ogra: thx !
[10:43] <ogra> rsa: just: sudo apt-get install lynx
[10:43] <rsa> allrigt ;)
[10:43] <rsa> ops, i spell bad mate ;)
[10:43] <acecase> if you install a minimal linux system with no X what is that called?
[10:44] <ogra> rsa: dont worry, i'm german...wont even recognize hehe
[10:44] <corbob> is there acommand to open the cdrom drive...
[10:44] <ogra> rsa: some said
[10:44] <rsa> ogra: yeah hehe ;)
[10:44] <rasher> corbob: 'eject'
[10:44] <wfx> bonobo, ho old iam
[10:44] <rasher> corbob: you may have to install it first
[10:44] <ogra> wfx:   :   :   :
[10:45] <wfx> no more error mesages
[10:45] <wfx> :-)
[10:45] <ogra> bonobo: blah
[10:45] <ogra> ha
[10:45] <bo_> does somebody have an acer Laptop with ubuntu?
[10:45] <rasher> jono_: I do on Debian, what's up?
[10:45] <ogra> bonobo: laptop bo_
[10:45] <bonobo> laptops with ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[10:45] <bo_> ogra, you?
[10:45] <acecase> isn't there a switch for mount that will eject?
[10:45] <ogra> nope....see the link
[10:45] <corbob> eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument
[10:46] <acecase> man mount
[10:46] <stvn> ogra: oops skipped laptop
[10:46] <acecase> lol sorry
[10:46] <jono_> rasher, I need someone to write a hack about it for O'Reilly Linux Desktop Hacks, about 800 words
[10:46] <rasher> corbob: eject /media/cdrom0 etc
[10:46] <ogra> corbob: hoary or warty ?
[10:46] <corbob> hoary
[10:46] <ogra> oh
[10:46] <stvn> bonobo: blah
[10:46] <bonobo> blah yourself!
[10:46] <ogra> hehe
[10:47] <stvn> :D
[10:47] <wfx> :)
[10:47] <corbob> the eject button on the drive doesn't work, and it's not mounted
[10:47] <bo_> ogra, doesnt help me
[10:47] <stvn> bonobo: ls
[10:47] <bonobo> : this commands are available: add, artwork, ati, dvd, flash, hoary, java, laptop, lock, ls, mp3, mplayer, nvidia, remove, root, sex, stvn, sudo, synaptic, unlock, and wfx
[10:47] <jono_> rasher, yopu fancy writing it?
 does somebody have an acer Laptop with ubuntu?
[10:47] <rsa> ogra:
[10:47] <wfx> i preffer
[10:48] <wfx> bonobo, info
[10:48] <bonobo> : this commands are available: add, artwork, ati, dvd, flash, hoary, java, laptop, lock, ls, mp3, mplayer, nvidia, remove, root, sex, stvn, sudo, synaptic, unlock, and wfx
[10:48] <rsa> ogra: look at this ? root@ubuntu:/home/robert # sudo apt-get install gftp
[10:48] <rsa> Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:48] <rsa> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:48] <rsa> E: Couldn't find package gftp
[10:48] <rsa> root@ubuntu:/home/robert #
[10:48] <wfx> rsa use pastepin
[10:48] <wfx> :-)
[10:48] <bo_> ic...
[10:48] <wfx> please and thx
[10:48] <rsa> np ;)
[10:48] <ogra> rsa: try this one: sudo apt-get update &&  sudo apt-get install gftp
[10:49] <rsa> ogra: thx, i'll try ...
[10:49] <ogra> bo_: so whats the prob ?
[10:49] <corbob> brb gonna try something
[10:50] <rasher> wfx: you're a bad person
[10:50] <wfx> rasher, oh, why?
[10:51] <rasher> wfx: surely most of the time you don't need an actual root shell
[10:51] <bo_> ogra, im searchin vor horicontal and vertikal sync
[10:51] <ogra> wfx: doin this bad to your system.....
[10:51] <rasher> also, the topic should probably have a link to the RootSudo wiki-page
[10:51] <bo_> no infos on the inet
[10:51] <ogra> wfx: sudo caresses it ....
[10:52] <wfx> oh stop i mean before i do sudo comand sudo comand.... i make sudo su and then comand!
[10:52] <d0gmaz> how can i show my desktop icons?
[10:52] <ogra> bo_: whats the model ?
[10:52] <zenwhen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4656
[10:52] <rasher> wfx: that's not how God Intended It
[10:52] <ogra> rasher: sabdfl is god ?
[10:53] <bo_> acer travelmate 613txc ogra
[10:53] <phin> what is the apt resorce for xcompmgr and transet?
[10:53] <rasher> wfx: but sure, if you're doing serious work, go ahead, but for installing a few packages, you should stop :)
[10:53] <rsa> ogra: sorry, i have one question left ;) all the mirrors in /etc/apt/sources.list r checked, could it be this that are the problem with downloading packages ?
[10:53] <ogra> rsa: yep
[10:53] <rasher> ogra: not at all
[10:53] <ogra> bonobo: synaptic rsa
[10:53] <bonobo> rsa: package management in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[10:53] <sabdfl> SOMEBODY CALLED?
[10:53] <rsa> ogra: okey ;) hehe thx
[10:54] <rsa> bonobo: thx ;)
[10:54] <ogra> sabdfl: <rasher> wfx: that's not how God Intended It <ogra> rasher: sabdfl is god ?
[10:54] <sabdfl> hardly
[10:54] <bo_> ogra, because of this:
[10:54] <ogra> sabdfl: hehe
 (II) I810(0): Clock range:  12.00 to 163.00 MHz
 (II) I810(0): Not using default mode "640x350" (vrefresh out of range)
 (II) I810(0): Not using default mode "320x175" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[10:54] <ogra> bo_: pleasde dont post here....see topic
[10:55] <bo_> but now i could increas the f/s... i'll leave it like that
[10:55] <wfx> rasher, im not a root junky ;-)
[10:55] <bo_> thx anyway
[10:55] <ogra> bo_: i am looking at it, wait
[10:55] <phin> anyone have the deb sources for xcompmgr and transet?
[10:55] <xukun> I wonder why this is I get this on both my ubuntu machines: sudo updatedb
[10:55] <xukun> Password:
[10:55] <xukun> warning: updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[10:55] <wfx> rsa, bonobo is a bot
[10:55] <wfx> :-)
[10:55] <d0gmaz> is there something like defragmentation on linux?
[10:56] <stvn> bonobo: sabdfl
[10:56] <bonobo> I, for one, welcome our new ubuntu overlord
[10:56] <ATJ_> linux filesystems wont "mess up" like, for example, fat
[10:56] <rsa> wfx: hehe, allright
[10:57] <sabdfl> thanks bonobo
[10:57] <xukun> anybody any Idea?
[10:57] <rasher> xukun: maybe the dir doesn't exist?
[10:57] <mos__> d0gmaz: nope theres no need for it the wat it writes to the disk. ntfs ans designded to be hard to recover data from thats why you have to defrag it
[10:58] <mos__> s/wat/way
[10:58] <wfx> xukun, i search for an answer...
[10:58] <d0gmaz> mos__, thanks
[10:59] <ogra> bo_: did you already try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ?
[10:59] <bo_> no
[10:59] <rasher> mos__: was it really?
[10:59] <ogra> bo_: try it in the console
[10:59] <mos__> hmm?
[11:00] <rasher> mos__: "ntfs ans designded to be hard to recover data from"
[11:00] <wfx> xukun, cp /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db.tmp /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db
[11:00] <ogra> bo_: answer the quetions and see if it works then
[11:00] <mos__> yeah it was
[11:00] <mos__> for "security" reasons
[11:00] <wfx> xukun, as root ;-)
[11:00] <ogra> wfx: psst...... sudo upadtedb
[11:00] <bo_> ogra, thx for ure work
[11:01] <rasher> mos__: could you back that up? In fact, it was designed with a journal of sorts, like ext3, to allow it to recover from crashes and such
[11:01] <Tyche> Treenaks: I'm not able to find apachectl, do you know the location of it? I would think it would be in the /etc/apache I even did a 'find / -name apachectl*'
[11:01] <rsa> ogra: is universe okey to download from ? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[11:01] <ogra> bo_: youre welcome :)
[11:01] <epod> Can anyone tell me where I would put all my .ttf's I saved from my previous windows installation to have them available to my gnome apps (openoffice, firefox, etc)?
[11:01] <ogra> rsa: yep
[11:01] <rsa> ogra: great
[11:01] <GoneBoB> epod: open location fonts:///
[11:01] <Tyche> Treenaks: I think the difference is because of the debian vs suse that I am used to...not sure though.
[11:01] <mos__> hmm i dunno if i can find any docs anymore
[11:01] <wfx> ogra, psst... i know but it have not work ;-)
[11:01] <Tyche> 0gra: I think the difference is because of the debian vs suse that I am used to...not sure though.
[11:02] <ogra> wfx: oh, i didnt follow....sorry
[11:02] <wfx> xukun, fixed?
[11:02] <ogra> stvn lol
[11:02] <epod> GoneBoB, ah ok.  Also, I installed msttfcorefonts, but Times New Roman isn't an option for firefox.. do I need to update something to make FF see it?
[11:02] <ogra> stvn: ndiswrapper is even better
[11:02] <rsa> ogra: thx, for your time mate ;) ... bye.
[11:02] <ogra> bye
[11:02] <ogra> :)
[11:03] <stvn> ogra: check the url in bonobo's multiverse command it's horrible :(
[11:03] <ogra> bonobo: multiverse
[11:03] <bonobo> : Software in the multiverse" component has not been determined to be Free Software to enable it see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543"
[11:03] <ogra> hehe
[11:03] <stvn> see
[11:03] <xukun> wfx: no /var/lib $ sudo slocate/
[11:03] <xukun> sudo: slocate/: command not found
[11:04] <xukun> wfx: I can see that the slocate dir is there
[11:04] <epod> Can anyone tell me why I have Times New Roman in fonts:/// but firefox doesn't have it as a font option...?
[11:04] <xukun> strange
[11:04] <stvn> ogra: any idea why the weird URL?
[11:04] <rasher> mos__: my googling indicates that you're either a) severely damaged by anti-ms fud (sure it exists)  or b) talking out of your ass
[11:04] <ogra> stvn: its not a wiki page....
[11:04] <stvn> hmz
[11:04] <ogra> stvn: faq urls are this way
[11:04] <wfx> xukun, hmm i have it, make the dirs
[11:05] <stvn> should add a wiki MultiversePackages, if only for a nice URL
[11:05] <xukun> wfx: what?
[11:05] <ogra> stvn: dunno if such redundancy is wanted
[11:05] <rasher> xukun: does /var/lib/slocate exist?
[11:05] <corbob> who told me to try eject?
[11:05] <wfx> xukun, make the missing directorys
[11:05] <rasher> corbob: me
[11:06] <ogra> corbob: NOT ME
[11:06] <ogra> oops
[11:06] <stvn> ogra: true, but universe does have it
[11:06] <corbob> rasher, it worked, i just had to do it as root
[11:06] <ogra> sorry for ....
[11:06] <rasher> corbob: oh, that's weird
[11:06] <wfx> xukun, slocate package is installed?
[11:06] <corbob> but it still spat out the same error
[11:06] <ogra> bonobo: universe
[11:06] <rasher> corbob: there must be some shortcut, you can eject things from nautilus
[11:07] <ogra> stvn: ?
[11:07] <stvn> ogra: i'm not /that/ fast ;)
[11:07] <ogra> hehe
[11:07] <corbob> actually it's wierd because it gave an error when i tried to eject the cd when it was mounted
[11:07] <ogra> sorry..... sometimes i am like a user hehe
[11:07] <wfx> we are all users
[11:07] <epod> Can anyone tell me why I have Times New Roman in fonts:/// but firefox doesn't have it as a font option...?
[11:07] <epod> I've done fc-cache update ...
[11:08] <GoneBoB> epod: restart firefox?
[11:08] <epod> GoneBoB, I have, several times
[11:08] <ogra> wfx: but some are less impatient because they know they get something better in the end ;)
[11:08] <ogra> wfx: like good wine :)
[11:09] <epod> I'll try restarting X I guess
[11:09] <phin> is there an apt source for trasset?
[11:09] <epod> brb
[11:09] <stvn> bonobo: universe ogra
[11:09] <bonobo> ogra: Universe contains packages which are not officially supported by Ubuntu, to enable it see: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[11:09] <GoneBoB> ogra: more patient would perhaps be better
[11:09] <bo_> ogra, hm... du you know if there is a final question at the end witch alows me to abort this tool? i cant answer all questions now
[11:09] <Tyche> ogra: I'm not able to find apachectl, do you know the location of it? I would think it would be in the /etc/apache I even did a 'find / -name apachectl*'
[11:09] <stvn> ogra compare it with http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801
[11:09] <Tyche> ogra: I think the difference is because of the debian vs suse that I am used to...not sure though.
[11:09] <GoneBoB> bo_: hit reboot
[11:09] <GoneBoB> bo_: what are you installing?
[11:10] <ogra> bo_: the default answers are your current config, just press enter to the end
[11:10] <epod> GoneBoB, I restarted X.. still nothing
[11:10] <wfx> xukun, #2 slocate package is installed? (it makes the direcotry structure)
[11:10] <bo_> ic
[11:10] <xukun> rasher: yes /var/lib/slocate exist bur[n] er
[11:10] <bo_> GoneBoB, it's alright
[11:10] <epod> GoneBoB, OpenOffice sees all my fonts.
[11:10] <ogra> GoneBoB: that i meant....
[11:11] <xukun> wfx: Package: slocate
[11:11] <xukun> Status: install ok installed
[11:11] <bo_> GoneBoB, --> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[11:11] <wfx> hmmm? strange
[11:11] <xukun> wfx: very strange
[11:11] <stvn> w00t hoary doesn't do focus stealling anymore :D
[11:11] <xukun> I have no clue
[11:12] <ogra> Tyche /usr/sbin/apache2ctl
[11:12] <wfx> xukun, and a updatedb -U /var/lib/slocate does not work?
[11:12] <ogra> Tyche: but the right way is: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[11:12] <GoneBoB> bo_: ah
[11:12] <ogra> Tyche: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
[11:13] <ogra> Tyche: etc
[11:13] <stvn> artwork
[11:13] <stvn> ati
[11:13] <stvn> dvd
[11:13] <stvn> faq
[11:13] <stvn> flash
[11:13] <wfx> ?
[11:13] <stvn> woops
[11:13] <stvn> very sorry
[11:14] <ogra> xukun: try only: sudo updatedb
[11:14] <Tyche> ogra: bah, thanks.
[11:14] <wfx> ogra, but he have not db
[11:14] <xukun> ogra: sec
[11:15] <ogra> Tyche: you are right with your assumption.....it is the suse debian thing....
[11:15] <ogra> wfx: will be created afaik
[11:15] <Matt|> can someone try this url for me and see if it works: https://www.mypipex.net
[11:15] <Matt|> hi ogra
[11:15] <xukun> wfx: you are my herro, sudo updatedb -U /var/lib/slocate did the trick, thanks man
[11:15] <wfx> ogra, some post before she say no .... anyway maybe der dierctory now extist and it will work :-)
[11:16] <ogra> hi Matt| :)
[11:16] <epod> Can someone help me out with Rhythmbox crashing when I try and play streaming audio?
[11:16] <wfx> :)
[11:16] <supos> Matt|: works for me
[11:16] <stvn> Matt|: seems to work
[11:16] <Matt|> supos, stvn, thanks. Not working from here. Are you guys on hoary?
[11:16] <stvn> Matt|: https://www.mypipex.net/solo/session-login-form.php?au=/solo/index.php&0
[11:16] <Tyche> ogra: just something I will have to get used too, why is it in /usr/sbin? instead of something closely related like /etc/apache2?
[11:16] <stvn> Matt|: yep
[11:17] <wfx> xukun, no prob it was one of the first entry in "man updatedb" ;-)
[11:17] <Matt|> stvn, i was wondering whether the new firefox build had problems with https
[11:17] <Matt|> stvn, you've updated today?
[11:17] <stvn> Matt|: ah, dunno epiphany here
[11:17] <xukun> wfx: I see
[11:17] <ogra> Tyche: there is a strict diversion between binarys and config in debian.....
[11:17] <ogra> Tyche: except /etc/init.d/
[11:17] <stvn> i'll check with ff
[11:17] <Matt|> stvn, thanks. I'll get epiphany and try it
[11:18] <ktulur> hello,  when I click on the gnome icon "show desktop" a new nautilus showing the desktop is opened, is this a default behaviour or do i have something wrong?
[11:18] <xukun> wfx: its just that I,m reading tons of man pages every night
[11:18] <ogra> Tyche: so there cant be a /etc/apache/apachectl :)
[11:18] <Matt|> ktulur, that is the wrong icon ;) they look similar
[11:18] <wfx> xukun, no problem ask, and anyone how can will answer
[11:18] <stvn> Matt|: ff works here as well
[11:18] <ogra> Tyche: suse has other policies....
[11:18] <ktulur> Matt| : :-S What?
[11:18] <stvn> Matt|: 1.02ubuntu that is
[11:19] <Tyche> ogra: so config in /etc and /binarys in /usr?
[11:19] <xukun> n8 guys
[11:19] <ogra> Tyche: yep
[11:19] <ogra> nacht
[11:19] <xukun> and girls!
[11:19] <Matt|> ktulur, trying adding another "show desktop" applet. The icons looks very similar to the "desktop" applet, which simply opens nautilus
[11:19] <Matt|> stvn, ok thanks damn
[11:19] <ktulur> ah ok :O
[11:19] <Matt|> stvn, wonder why I can't see it
[11:19] <Matt|> wfx, stop boasting :p
[11:20] <stvn> Matt|: you tried the url I gave? could be a redirect problem
[11:20] <Matt|> stvn, no can't open it. It is a bit weird. A few minutes ago I could get on it but couldn't access certain features
[11:21] <Matt|> stvn, now I can't see it at all
[11:21] <ogra> Tyche: oh, actually no, binarys in /bin /sbin /usr/bin
[11:22] <wfx> Matt|, its more boast then boasting ;-)
[11:22] <ogra> Tyche: and /usr/games indeed ;)
[11:22] <guptan> Hi
[11:22] <ktulur> Matt| i did it :D sorry for the stupid question
[11:23] <guptan> is there any torrents client with GUI for ubuntu?
[11:23] <wfx> guptan, yes give one sec.
[11:23] <Matt|> ktulur, not at all. it is not stupid
[11:23] <Matt|> guptan, pretty sure there is yeah
[11:24] <Matt|> bittornado-gui - Bittorrent client with enhanced GUI interface
[11:24] <Matt|> bittorrent-gui - Scatter-gather network file transfer (GUI files)
[11:24] <guptan> aah
[11:24] <Matt|> guptan, either of those
[11:24] <Matt|> i'm off again
[11:25] <Matt|> laters guys
[11:25] <wfx> guptan, bittornado-gui
[11:25] <guptan> thanks wfx
[11:26] <Tyche> ogra: alright one last question and I will be so happy. Lots of progress today for me on this. When I goto the webserver, it asks me to save the php files...I have it installed is there further config I should look at?
[11:26] <Ruffian|Q|> http://img31.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img31&image=000_1368.jpg
[11:26] <ogra> Tyche: did you restart apache after installing ?
[11:26] <Tyche> ogra: Yes
[11:27] <GoneBoB> Ruffian|Q|: that is one of the worst photos I have ever seen
[11:27] <mirak> hi
[11:27] <mirak> I got a problem
[11:27] <GoneBoB> can't you hold the camera straight? :)
[11:27] <GoneBoB> mirak: what is your problem
[11:27] <Ruffian|Q|> no
[11:27] <mirak> when I rip an audio CD I got empty WAV
[11:27] <mirak> good size
[11:27] <mirak> but no sound at all
[11:27] <GoneBoB> what CD
[11:28] <mirak> any
[11:28] <mirak> any audio CD
[11:28] <GoneBoB> hrm that's certainly odd
[11:28] <GoneBoB> have you successfully ripped before?
[11:28] <GoneBoB> on this driver
[11:28] <GoneBoB> *drive
[11:29] <ogra> Tyche: look in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf if the following lines are uncommented:
[11:29] <ogra> AddType application/x-httpd-php .php
[11:29] <ogra> AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps
[11:29] <wfx> ogra, does php not work?
[11:29] <GoneBoB> Ruffian|Q|: http://hrdwrbob.net/gallery/randomhouse/desk
[11:29] <ogra> wfx: yep
[11:30] <Ruffian|Q|> GoneBoB, NICE!
[11:30] <wfx> ogra, a job for the root :-)
[11:30] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:30] <ogra> wfx: why ?
[11:31] <wfx> ogra, to configure it :-)
[11:31] <ogra> wfx: sudo is enough.....
[11:31] <ogra> :)
[11:31] <epod> Can anyone help me setup firefox 1.0 on Warty and still have mplayer-mozilla functional?
[11:32] <confrey> help me please, I have just installed ubuntu; I don't remember I have typed any root password; now I must use sudo to do something as root, but every time it asks me a root password; what have I to do now?
[11:32] <topyli> bonobo: root
[11:32] <bonobo> : The reason ubuntu uses sudo instead of a root account is explained on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:32] <stvn> confrey: type your user password
[11:32] <georgia> confrey: put your own password in
[11:32] <stvn> topyli: you can now use bonobo: <command> <nick> :)
[11:32] <lexi-> hey, still somebody here?
[11:33] <topyli> stvn: ah, that's handy. bonobo deserves the attention :)
[11:33] <stvn> :)
[11:33] <confrey> is it so simply? well, I'll try now, byem thanks
[11:33] <stvn> topyli: bonobo: ls
[11:33] <ktulur> today a friend installed ubuntu in his laptop but it does not use sudo ?, root instead, what can have been the reason?
[11:33] <ktulur> failure?
[11:33] <topyli> bonobo: ls
[11:33] <bonobo> topyli: add, artwork, ati, dvd, faq, flash, hoary, java, laptop, lock, ls, mp3, mplayer, multiverse, nvidia, remove, root, sabdfl, sex, sudo, synaptic, universe, unlock, and wfx
[11:33] <scoon> hey all
[11:34] <ktulur> mine uses sudo but i installed weeks ago
[11:34] <scoon> can someone tell me what version of aclocal they have
[11:34] <Tyche> ogra: they were not uncommented, I did uncomment them and restarted the server and I still get "you have chosen to open a file...and says it is a phtml file and wants to save it."
[11:34] <scoon> aclocal --version ?
[11:34] <GoneBoB> ktulur: aclocal (GNU automake) 1.4-p6
[11:34] <GoneBoB> er
[11:34] <topyli> stvn: it should /msg the "help" and info messages though IMO
[11:34] <GoneBoB> not ktulut :)
[11:34] <GoneBoB> scoon: I am on hoary though
[11:34] <GoneBoB> ktulur: ubuntu has always used sudo
[11:35] <ogra> Tyche: hmm, probably wfx has an idea
[11:35] <stvn> topyli: the ls maybe yes, but other ones not, since users might get confused by the bot talking to them, but not responding to them/not see the /msg
[11:35] <ktulur> ok, but because of some reason his ubuntu is not using sudo...
[11:35] <topyli> stvn: agreed
[11:36] <scoon> GoneBoB: that's cool.  I get the same thing.  hmmmmm.  thanks
[11:36] <ktulur> i have seen it with my own eyes (i don't know if this has english sense)
[11:36] <GoneBoB> ktulur: what do you mean 'not using sudo'
[11:36] <Tyche> wfx: You know why my broswer would ask to save the php file?
[11:37] <ktulur> Well, if he wants root privileges, he has to use "su", "sudo -s" does not work...
[11:37] <lexi-> so, ok.. look here, i quite like it :) : http://f4ee.net/~alex/ubuntu_p.png
[11:37] <wfx> Tyche, i think php is not realy up and running
[11:37] <wfx> Tyche, i have apache2 and php (not with debian but it runs)
[11:37] <ktulur> that's the strange thing, root should not exist...
[11:38] <epod> where is firefox-bin on a default ubuntu install...?
[11:38] <Tyche> wfx: Yea, I just did the exact same thing on another machine and it worked...let me look at what I have installed again.
[11:38] <ogra> wfx: he has the same packages i have.... mine works
[11:38] <SteveK> Hi all -- I'm not able to suspend to ram in my laptop (Inspiron 8200). When I close the lid, the screen blanks but the computer stays on - I am able to get back by hiitting fn-8, and popping into and back from a console.
[11:39] <wfx> Tyche, pastepin it
[11:39] <topyli> ktulur: your friend is an old-timer, he has changed it first thing :)
[11:39] <wfx> ogra, i will do my best
[11:39] <GoneBoB> lexi-: that
[11:39] <crimsun> epod: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin
[11:39] <GoneBoB> 's not quite the same font
[11:39] <stvn> bonobo: ls
[11:39] <epod> crimsun, can I just install 1.0 there?
[11:39] <GoneBoB> ktulur: it's still exists
[11:39] <ogra> wfx: normally this should work...thats a bit weird
[11:39] <GoneBoB> ktulur: it's just that root has no password
[11:39] <lexi-> GoneBoB: i know, that's my intention
[11:39] <crimsun> epod: for warty or for hoary?
[11:39] <epod> crimsun, warty
[11:40] <crimsun> epod: better to put it in ~
[11:40] <lexi-> GoneBoB: it's a redesign
[11:40] <GoneBoB> ah
[11:40] <epod> crimsun, I ran the installer, it just ran 0.9.3.. it was weird.
[11:40] <GoneBoB> tbh I prefer the original font :) sorry
[11:40] <Tyche> wfx: I didn't do the libapache2-mod-php4 I just did the php4 on this machine...I htink that will fix the issue.
[11:41] <stvn> hmz
[11:41] <Tyche> Wfx: I guess that is the problem with having too many repositories....
[11:41] <wfx> Tyche, ok install the mod :-)
[11:42] <ogra> wfx: so the coffee helped ;)
[11:42] <corbob> is there any way to get rythmbox to say monitor a directory and when new files are added to it, import it into the library...
[11:42] <ktulur> ok i don't know the "old-timer" meaning but I'll tell him that he has made something and that not having sudo isn't the end of the world :)
[11:42] <lexi-> any other opinions on the logo?
[11:42] <wfx> Tyche, is it public, do you use dyndns, you want also vhost :-)
[11:42] <wfx> ogra, i need a fresh cup ;-)
[11:43] <epod> wtf, I installed firefox 1.0, in ~/firefox but when I run ~/firefox/firefox, it just runs 0.9.3!
[11:43] <topyli> ktulur: i just mean he's maybe used to being root :) anyway, sudo is easy to set up
[11:43] <Tyche> wfx: Is what public? what is dyndns and what is vhost?
[11:43] <ogra> Tyche....no need.....
[11:43] <wfx> ogra, i know geramny is the litle country very close to austria but my hand not long enought
[11:44] <ogra> lol
[11:44] <ktulur> ok topyli we'll search on google about sudo doc
[11:44] <stvn> bonobo: coffee wfx
[11:44] <bonobo> wfx recieves a steaming hot cup of coffee
[11:44] <ogra> wfx and i am not this near.......
[11:44] <topyli> ktulur: man sudoers and man sudo will do just fine
[11:44] <ogra> ah, helpful bot
[11:44] <ogra> bonobo: thanks
[11:45] <SteveK> Hi all -- I'm not able to suspend to ram in my laptop (Inspiron 8200). When I close the lid, the screen blanks but the computer stays on - I am able to get back by hiitting fn-8, and popping into and back from a console. Any ideas?
[11:45] <stvn> add thanks echo "no problem"
[11:45] <wfx> Tyche, ohh nice. with public i mean runs the server lan only or als wan, dyndns means this:
[11:45] <guptan> wfx, I got bittorrent-gui package but I got it from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
[11:45] <wfx> Tyche, http://www.dyndns.org/
[11:45] <ogra> bonobo: thanks
[11:45] <bonobo> you're welcome
[11:45] <topyli> hehehe
[11:45] <stvn> heh
[11:46] <guptan> is it danger to install from debian?
[11:46] <wfx> Tyche, and vhost is something like this: http://anchor.ath.cx (my site ugly but my one:) http://teg.anchor.ath.cx/ runs also on my server
[11:46] <ogra> bonobo: laptop SteveK
[11:46] <bonobo> SteveK: laptops with ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[11:47] <stvn> guptan: not really
[11:47] <guptan> Stvn: the package I'm looking for is not in multiverse or ubuntu main
[11:47] <topyli> guptan: it's unsupported but if the package works it works. if not, it doesn't
[11:47] <ogra> guptan: what is it ?
[11:47] <wfx> guptan, hmm im not but you have it ;-)
[11:47] <stvn> guptan: oh you mean to install a package in ubuntu from debian - well you've to be careful
[11:47] <guptan> bittorrent-gui
[11:48] <stvn> guptan: it is somewhere in ubuntu, at elast it appeares in my list
[11:48] <stvn> guptan: but maybe it's hoary only
[11:48] <guptan> its just bittorrent only
[11:48] <topyli> guptan: just watch out for not dragging in dangerous libraries as dependencies
[11:48] <guptan> lemme enable hoary and try again
[11:48] <stvn> guptan: including universe and multiverse?
[11:48] <ogra> guptan: bittornado-gui is there
[11:48] <wfx> Tyche, ??? to mutch ??? :-)
[11:48] <guptan> stvn, yes
[11:48] <ogra> stvn: its not in warty
[11:49] <stvn> ah ok
[11:49] <wfx> guptan, do you also update?
[11:49] <stvn> disadvantage of running hoary :(
[11:49] <guptan> ogra, u mean its in universe multiverse
[11:49] <guptan> wfx, yeah I did
[11:49] <ogra> bonobo: hoary guptan
[11:49] <bonobo> guptan: the hoary hedgehog is ubuntus unstable development branch see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog
[11:49] <SteveK> bonobo: that page has a fix for a sound problem on the i8200, but nothing (as far as I can tell) about the suspend issue.
[11:50] <ogra> guptan: bittornado-gui is available on my warty box
[11:50] <stvn> ls
[11:50] <SteveK> ogra: is there another channel for laptop support? apologies if I'm in the wrong place...
[11:50] <topyli> guptan: if you grab something from hoary, watch carefully or it will upgrade your whole system :)
[11:50] <guptan> okay guys lemme check again, in multiverse and universe
[11:50] <guptan> okz topyli
[11:50] <ogra> SteveK: no, you are right in this place,
[11:50] <wfx> SteveK, what pob you have
[11:51] <ogra> SteveK: but i dont know too much about suspend stuff, probably mjg59 is around and has the time....
[11:52] <SteveK> wfx: [lazy -- pasting earlier message]  Hi all -- I'm not able to suspend to ram in my laptop (Inspiron 8200). When I close the lid, the screen blanks but the computer stays on - I am able to get back by hiitting fn-8, and popping into and back from a console.
[11:53] <guptan> can I interfere again?
[11:53] <wfx> SteveK, fisrt im sorry i cant read all posts
[11:53] <phin> what is daniles apt resource so i can get xcompmgr
[11:54] <ogra> guptan ?
[11:54] <guptan> ogra, i have a multiverse and universe enable for warty
[11:54] <JStrike> oooohh. RedCarpet is available for debian
[11:54] <guptan> but still there is no bittorrent-gui, there is only bittorrent
[11:54] <ogra> bah
[11:54] <JStrike> I wonder if any ubuntu packages have been made?
[11:54] <topyli> guptan: how about bittornado-gui
[11:54] <ogra> guptan did you hit refresh ?
[11:55] <JStrike> guptan are you looking for a gui for bittorent?
[11:55] <ogra> oh, yes bittornado ....#
[11:55] <guptan> topyli, bittornado-gui is there
[11:55] <Tyche> wfx: Nope. =) I got php running, I uninstalled the php4 and reinstalled the libapache2-mod-php4
[11:55] <topyli> guptan: grab that and be done with it then ;)
[11:55] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:55] <Tyche> wfx: I also installed vhost
[11:55] <guptan> ok thanks
[11:56] <topyli> guptan: it's nice. you click a link and off it goes
[11:56] <guptan> thanks topyli
[11:56] <wfx> SteveK, i upload a guid in the hope there is some information you need for youre dell. please 10sec.
[11:57] <JStrike> Cant be that tough to recompile it for Ubuntu.
[11:57] <will> guptan use azureus
[11:57] <will> or btdownloadgui
[11:57] <JStrike> Wonder if jdub would be up to adding red-carpet repos for ubuntu
[11:57] <guptan> will, does azureus has linux client, i have its windoz client
[11:57] <rasher> guptan: it's Java, just run it
[11:57] <Tyche> wfx: Now I need to read more about dyndns
[11:58] <ogra> JStrike: what for ?
[11:58] <will> guptan: yes its in linux!
[11:58] <phin> so you can use red carpet with debian sources?
[11:58] <guptan> oh ok
[11:58] <phin> or just rpm?
[11:58] <will> guptan: get java of course, as rasher said
[11:58] <guptan> i've it already
[11:58] <will> guptan: install to /usr/local/azureus
[11:58] <topyli> Tyche: dyndns is ok when you need to ssh your box from around the world and you have a dynamic IP
[11:58] <JStrike> guptan : Use gnome-btdownload or Azureus if you need a moer featurefull client
[11:59] <guptan> ok
[11:59] <im_ka> hi
[11:59] <JStrike> ogra : So that red-carpet could be used
[11:59] <SteveK> wfx: gotta run to pick up the young'un.  Sorry -- appreciate the help, though.
[11:59] <wfx> SteveK, oh i dont need to upload take a look: http://www.stephanwehrheim.de/computer/dell8200+debian30/dell8200+debian30.html
[11:59] <wfx> :)
[12:00] <SteveK> Woah -- just as I was leaving...
[12:00] <SteveK> cool.