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im_kawhat's the difference between cedega and point2play? i know that point2play is a gui frontend for cedega. but in order to run point2play, i must have cedega installed, right?12:00
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ograJStrike: yeah, what for ?12:00
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SteveKwfx: thanks again.12:00
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JStrikeogra : What is your question?12:00
wfxSteveK, no porblem for this we are here12:00
netmonkwfx, any ideas for a site like this for Toshiba ;)12:01
ograJStrike: i mean, what has red carpet apt-get hasnt already ?12:01
wfx:)12:01
SirG3Aiya all :)12:01
JStrikeogra : Do you want to know what red-carpet does?12:01
wfxTyche, ok in 5min. i can help you12:01
ograJStrike: i know what RC does....what is the advantage ?12:01
wfxnetmonk, let me see.... what model (satelite?)12:01
topyliJStrike: tell us! where's the secret :)12:01
JStrikeogra : Are you seriously comparing the apt-get interface to red-carpet?12:01
ograJStrike: i dont see one over apt-get and its tools12:01
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netmonkwfx, satellite A40-26112:02
ograJStrike: nope, the functionallity12:02
stvnJStrike: synaptic is very good nowadays12:02
JStrikestvn : Synaptic is a piece of crap12:02
topylioh nice12:02
wfxnetmonk, http://www.geocities.com/olive_esseret/12:02
ograhmm...12:03
SirG3Anyone know how I'd get BZFlag on here? (I'm new @ Ubuntu and fairly new at Linux in general... I must say, I like this distro compared to Vector Linux and Gentoo heh)12:03
GotD0ti'm having trouble mounting a partition on a secondary hard disk12:03
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stvnJStrike: care to elaborate12:03
netmonkwfx: 10x12:03
wfx_gotooneacoffnetmonk, sorry what means 10x?12:04
JStrikeogra : rc and rug have similar functionality to apt-get. But you cant seem to easily install a local package with Synaptic12:04
bash?? rdate12:04
JStrikeAnd I dont do command line12:04
ograwfx_gotooneacoff: 10x thanx12:04
JStrikestvn : Same as above12:04
wfx_gotooneacoffogra, now i know and now i go ;-)12:04
topyliJStrike: hey, that's true!12:04
ograJStrike: you will..... takes time to implement12:04
meltbanana314is anyone running Enlightenment under Ubuntu?12:05
ograwfx_gotooneacoff: bye12:05
stvnJStrike: there is a gui for installing .debs, but how does rc handle local packages?12:05
JStrikeogra:  It is already there with RedCarpet12:05
netmonkwfx_gotooneacoff, 10x = thanks12:05
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=== stvn never managed to install .debs with rc
JStrikestvn : It installs it with a single click (or two if it needs dependencies, which it will fetch)12:05
Kamionthe synaptic author has been talking about adding single-.deb support12:06
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JStrikeAll that needs to be done is that the debian red-carpet package needs to be recompiled for ubuntu, and that the main, universe, etc repos need to add RedCarpet/OpenCarpet support12:07
GotD0tis there something wrong with this line in fstab12:07
GotD0t/dev/hdb1       /mnt/media      ext3    rw,nosuid,umask=000,gid=0,user  0      012:07
stvnme doubts that that is easier12:08
ograGotD0t: why all these options ?12:08
wfxsorry im an old man and dont know some short cut12:08
GotD0togra: because defaults didnt yield results12:08
wfxuser or users?12:09
ograGotD0t: whats your prob ?12:09
GotD0togra: one second12:09
guptanhow can I add JRE to my path12:09
KamionJStrike: can't see us switching to something that requires strange non-standard archive support12:09
Kamioncan't it cope with a normal archive?12:09
ograhehe...debian incompatible debian distri12:10
guptani tried export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/jre12:10
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JStrikeKamion : Yep12:10
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GotD0togra: nevermind, i got it working... thanks12:10
wfxGotD0t, with users?12:10
KamionJStrike: did its authors ever discuss the extensions with the authors of other apt frontends?12:10
JStrikeKamion : It works fine with normal apt repos via OpenCarpet12:10
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wfxGotD0t, if you tell use how we can help sometime a other guy :-)12:11
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JStrikeKamion : Dude, RedCarpet is the industry leader. Synaptic is the less used of the two. Debian is pretty much the only user of synaptic12:11
confreywhy can't I play a divx with totem? what do I need?12:11
ograbonobo: java guptan12:12
bonoboguptan: for java in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats12:12
KamionJStrike: if we only cared about the "industry leader" we'd all give up and use Red Hat12:12
JStrikeOr rather, Industry leader in the Enterprise Desktop12:12
Tychewfx: no worries. I think I have it all done except for small things you can clarify.12:12
KamionI've seen very little real-life use of Red Carpet12:12
Kamionfor ages now12:12
JStrikeLook at NLD12:12
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wfxTyche, so you are happy :-)12:12
BeanDipconfrey you need to install xvid12:13
JStrikeBut that is nether here nor now.12:13
KamionNLD aren't anywhere close to qualifying as undisputed industry leader12:13
stvng'night all12:13
Tychewfx: I'm never happy! What were you going to help me with? I got the php working...not sure if you were going to show me something else I needed to know.12:13
Kamionthey're in a very shaky position in fact12:13
usualoooo firefox 1.0 is in hoary now12:13
usualyay12:13
wfx?12:14
confreyBeanDip : do you mean the codec named xvid, or a application so named?12:14
JStrikeMy point is that it is by far the cleaner looking app, has more features and could easily be made to work with ubuntu12:14
ogra<Tyche> I'm never happy ??12:14
usualogra, how is mrburns coming12:14
wfxTyche, ?12:14
Tycheogra: Wfx has asked if I was happy....I told him I am never happy....in general...very happy on todays findings thought!12:14
ograusual: have tried some python recently...... considering to rewrite the stuff.....12:15
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BeanDipconfrey are you using hoary or warty?12:15
KamionJStrike: ... and we employ the synaptic author ;)12:15
PotajiTowenas12:15
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Kamionthere's a lot to be said for in-house expertise12:15
BeanDipunder warty you need to "echo "12:16
BeanDipdeb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list"12:16
BeanDipdo an apt-get update12:16
ograusual: http://www.grawert.net/software/startup-settings/startup-settings.png12:16
BeanDipthen "apt-cache search mplayer"12:16
BeanDipchoose an mplayer install12:16
BeanDipapt-get install *****12:16
BeanDipto install the mplayer version you want12:17
usualogra, grub settings?12:17
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BeanDipapt-get install w32codecs12:17
BeanDipand you will be able to play anything12:17
ograusual: yep.... only the neseccary ones12:17
JStrikeKamion : Right. Fair enough12:17
BeanDipand stop using totem, it sucks12:17
BeanDip:P12:17
BeanDipmplayer rules12:17
usualogra, nice....maybe I should get into coding12:17
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ograusual: go on, the world needs good coders ;)12:18
GotD0tdoes anybody know how to add an entry to computer:///12:18
JStrikeKamion : So there is little chance of support from the Ubuntu side for redcarpet?12:18
confreyBeanDip : so, do I need to install the same .debs of debian? isn't there a ubuntu packages of mplayer?12:18
usualogra, MAYBE WHEN i HAVE TIME i CAN LOOK AT MRBURNS AND LEARN SOMETHING12:18
usualoops12:18
HcEhihi12:18
JStrikeBut synaptic is getting improved. That is a good thing12:18
usualI don't understand the need for synaptic12:19
Tychewfx: I'm happy!12:19
confreyso, do I need to install the same .debs of debian? isn't there a ubuntu packages of mplayer?12:19
KamionJStrike: I guess that depends how much effort we need to put in; if somebody wants to take on community maintenance for a red-carpet package then fair enough, but it probably won't be core until there's a compelling reason12:19
Tychewfx: Just giving you a ogra a hard time.12:19
ograusual: i dont think mrburns is a good piece to learn from ;)12:19
usualogra, haha ok :)12:19
KamionJStrike: good community maintenance would be the first step in presenting a case for change12:19
AwayDipconfrey, there is in hoary12:20
AwayDipnot in warty12:20
ograTyche: we are here for fun....12:20
JStrikeKamion : I dont think it requires much effort on your part if at any at all. But if there is not much chance that it would make it into main, their is no real point into recompiling it for Ubuntu.12:21
ograTyche: because we like to support people with our beloved distri ;) you cant do us a hard tiome with questions :)12:21
KamionJStrike: we don't regard universe as being pointless12:21
wfxTyche, please never ask me. thx.12:21
confreyAwayDip : what's hoary? like unstable about debian?12:21
JStrikeKamion : If Canonical thought the interface were a better one (As I do), then there would be some point12:21
Kamionconfrey: yes, it's the Ubuntu development branch12:21
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KamionJStrike: you can't expect us to just take everyone's word for everything without demonstration :)12:22
JStrikeKamion : Fair enough :-)12:22
KamionJStrike: good Ubuntu maintenance is part of that demonstration12:22
JStrikehrm12:22
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JStrikeWill take a look at it12:22
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ograbonobo: hoary confrey12:23
bonoboconfrey: the hoary hedgehog is ubuntus unstable development branch see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog12:23
JStrikeI think joe handles redcarpet (or ZenWorks now). Will find out how to repoint to the ubuntu repos12:23
confreyI have all the 14 cds of sarge; and the debian-marillat too; can I install from debian-marillat of my cd? without problem?12:23
socommHoary the Hedgehog, no relations to Sonic the Hedgehog.12:24
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confreyid I understood right, next release of ubuntu will be hoary?12:26
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ograconfrey: yep in april12:26
stuNNed_can i install reaplayer10 with apt?12:27
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ograstuNNed_: download the rpm and convert it with alien, then you can use dpkg12:28
confreywhich marillat repository have I to use, testing, unstable or stable?12:28
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ograconfrey: for warty use testing12:28
confreydoes it work, or can I corrupt my ubuntu installation?12:28
ograbonobo: mplayer confrey12:29
bonoboconfrey: for mplayer in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats12:29
SirG3Anybody know how to install BZFlag? I've not a clue :-/12:30
ograSirG3: sudo apt-get install bzflag bzflag-server12:31
Tychewfx: adding the hoary, should I take out the warty in the sources.list?12:31
SirG3E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)12:32
SirG3E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?12:32
SirG3ogra: what'd I do wrong? :-/12:32
ograSirG3: got synaptic running ?12:32
socommSirG3: sudo12:32
SirG3did12:32
ograwhat ?12:32
SirG3socomm: I did use sudo12:33
socommSirG3: You need to run sudo, and be sure no one else is using apt.12:33
SirG3socomm: joe@Linux:~ $ sudo apt-get install bzflag bzflag-server12:33
ograSirG3: make sure synaptic is closed....12:33
socommSirG3: be sure you're not running two apt's since the other will lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock12:33
SirG3orga: I have synaptic running (you mean Synaptic Package Manager eh? I looked in there for it heh)12:34
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SirG3socomm: nope, first time I've tried running apt-get12:34
ograSirG3: try: sudo apt-get update12:34
thoreauputicSirG3: synaptic is a front-end for apt so if it's running command line apt will give you that error12:35
SirG3ogra: same errors12:35
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Tychewfx: Please never ask you? questions?12:35
Parientehi u all12:36
Pariente hey I'm having problems with my sound when i try to move volume it says,  --no mixing device-- I intalled the gkrell-volume plugin to help but it doesn't recognize a mixer.....12:36
socommSirG3: `sudo killall -9 apt-get && apt-get install bzflag bzflag-server'12:36
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ograSirG3: look really accurate if synaptic isnt running12:36
socommSirG3: `sudo killall -9 synaptic && killall -9 apt-get && apt-get install bzflag bzflag-server'12:36
socommSirG3: that last command should do it for you.12:36
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ograsocomm: this kills the update and runs the install12:37
stuNNed_ogra, roger that, thanks12:37
Tycheogra: Did I offend you or wfx? I was purely being sarcastic with my unhappy comments...I am extemely happy! very much so.12:37
confreythanks to ogra, bonobo, and everybody, good night12:37
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ograstuNNed_: it installs in /usr/local....12:37
socommogra: Huh?12:38
ograTyche: i think you both had a little misunderstanding .....12:38
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ograsocomm: sudo killall -9 synaptic && killall -9 apt-get && apt-get install bzflag runs the last command12:38
SirG3socomm: E: Couldn't find package bzflag12:38
Tycheogra: do you know or work with him? I really don't want him to think I was being mean...only playing around.12:39
ograsocomm: btw, the second kill will fail (missing sudo)....and the install either12:39
ograsocomm: you must issue sudo in front of each of them....12:40
socommogra: yeah you're right, you could just add quotations around them.12:40
socommSirG3: You may need to run `sudo apt-get update'12:40
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ograsocomm: assiming the user copies them ;)12:40
socommSirG3: Since the bzflags package doesn't appear in your apt-cache.12:41
ograbonobo: synaptic SirG312:41
bonoboSirG3: package management in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto12:41
ograbonobo: thanks12:41
bonoboyou're welcome12:41
wfx:)12:42
SirG3socomm: ran that command, it completed, and I reissued the install bzflag one, and it returned the same err12:42
stuNNed_ogra, does the alien work for just about any rpm?12:42
ograTyche: dont worry....12:42
wfxbonobo, orga orga12:42
bonobogot five12:42
ograstuNNed_: not _every_ and its certainly not the cleanest way....but fast12:43
socommSirG3: have you edited your /etc/apt/sources.list file?12:43
SirG3socomm: nope, should I have?12:43
ograSirG3: see the url from the bonobo bot12:43
socommSirG3: Yes uncomment some of the repositories.12:43
SirG3ogra: I'm reading it :)12:43
ograSirG3: good :)12:43
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ograSirG3: enable universe in synaptic......12:44
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wfxSirG3, btw if you searchsomething do: sudo apt-cache search PACKAGENAME12:44
ograSirG3: or use synaptic.....12:45
socommwfx: you don't need to sudo for that.12:45
thoreauputicwfx: the "sudo" isn't needed for a search :)12:45
wfxoh my fault! ;-)12:45
ograheh12:45
socommSirG3: I think you should stick with synaptic until you feel more comfortable with the command line.12:46
Tychesocomm: you talking about hoary?12:46
ograthoreauputic: but works anyway12:46
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thoreauputicogra: sure :)12:46
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ograwfx dont be such a weichei12:46
wfx:)))))12:46
ograheh12:46
Kal_Zakathhi12:47
socommTyche: I'm not talking about any releae in particular.12:47
wfxogra, i feel me like a weichei -> 20houers up time to go sleep12:47
TycheOh, okay, I just added the hoary deb and deb-src and I get a warning 'couldn't stat source package...'12:48
ograwfx: same here :)12:48
wfxbonobo, orga12:48
bonobogot five12:48
wfxups :) typo12:49
ograTyche: mixing hoary and warty ?12:49
socommHoary is experimental if I'm not mistaken, don't mix hoary with warty. Unless you know what you're dong.12:49
Tycheogra: Probably, they are both in there. I don't know the difference in warty and hoary.12:49
wfxthe one is in development the other is working12:50
Tycheogra: okay, I took hoary out.12:50
ograTyche: if you dont know the difference, leave hoary out !!!12:50
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wfxTyche, the one is in development the other does working12:51
TycheSo I have main restricted, universe and a marillat one.12:51
ograTyche: okay, thats better... hoary is dev....there may break things12:51
ograTyche: 3 seperate entrys  ?12:52
Tychewfx: thanks for the help, sorry for the misunderstanding. I'm not un happy, I was just playing around.12:52
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Tycheogra: 3 deb (main restricted, universe and security) same with deb-src and then the marillat one.12:52
wfxTyche, youre answer was strange.... forget it. :-)12:52
rebirthany idea why when i do apt-get install php4 i don't get the actualy 'php' command?12:52
Tychewfx: I'm from the states...what can I say! =)12:53
rebirthactual*12:53
wfxTyche, thx for bush12:53
ograTyche: looks ok (the repos)12:53
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ograwfx: that was hard12:53
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Tycheogra: yea, there are 7 entries. I thought the hoary would have been something like the marillat where I could get additional software.12:54
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ograTyche: you can, but it can render your sys highly unstable in the worst case12:54
SirG3ok, another question for you guys :), how would I mount my USB hard drive (I'm on PPC/iMac if that makes a diff)?12:54
Kal_Zakathdoes someone know a tool that would let me switch easily bewteen 2 different XF86Config-4 files ????12:54
SirG3it's in HFS+ format, that supported?12:54
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GoneBoBSirG3: if you plug it in, it should work12:55
ograSirG3: should work if you plug it in.....12:55
Tycheogra: don't wan that, looking for secure and stable!12:55
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wfxrebirth, use the mod_php4 and uninstall php412:55
rebirthwfx, thanks :)12:55
SirG3ogra GoneBoB: it's plugged in now, not mounter -> it would mount in /mnt eh? or show up in the computer window?12:55
ograTyche: so stick with warty till april :)12:55
socommKal_Zakath: bash :^P12:55
SirG3*not mounted12:55
ograSirG3: on the desktop12:55
Kal_Zakathsocomm : I use zsh ;) :p12:55
SirG3ogra: then nope, not mounted :-/12:56
socommKal_Zakath: just write a small script to back up and move your configs.12:56
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ograSirG3: look in Computer->Desktop Settings->removable...12:56
Kal_Zakathsocomm : I could write a little script that mv files and restart gdm... but I'm lazy :/12:56
Kal_Zakathyeah12:56
moyoteDoes anyone here play Unreal Tournament and if so, have you succeeded in getting sound working?12:56
rebirthwfx,12:56
rebirthroot@rebirth:~ # apt-cache search mod_php12:56
rebirthroot@rebirth:~ #12:56
GoneBoBSirG3: I have an ipod mini in HFS+ which works12:56
wfxTyche, it was ironically, sorry if it was to strange12:56
socommmoyote: try killing esd, or installing libsdl-all.12:57
Kal_Zakathwell, I'll have to write that script then...12:57
wfxrebirth, is not named mod_php wait 1sec.12:57
ograGoneBoB: fam is stuck sometimes.....12:57
GoneBoBSirG3: also check in the hardware manager to see if you can see it12:57
rebirthwfx, kk12:57
socommKal_Zakath: have fun :)12:57
rebirthlibapache2-mod-php4 ?12:57
ograGoneBoB: so it doesnt show up, but is mounted12:57
GoneBoByeah12:57
wfxrebirth, libapache2-mod-php412:57
moyotesocomm, how do I kill esd?12:57
GoneBoBit should be in 'computer' though12:57
rebirthwfx, thanks =)12:57
socommDoes UT even use sdl for sound, or OpenAL?12:57
Kal_Zakathsocomm : I'll do it simple and dirty :)12:58
socommmoyote: `killall -9 esd'12:58
ograsocomm which one ?12:58
moyotety12:58
SirG3GoneBoB: got an error something about hald not running12:58
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rebirthwfx, done and still no php command12:58
world_hikerHi, I'm new to linux and am having trouble accessing a windows network that i'm a part of. I've installed samba, but when I try to acces the network it says that I don't have the necessary permissions. Anyone got any advice?12:58
socommogra: I'm guessing UT2k12:58
ograsocomm got the GOTY version here.....works with AL12:58
socommogra: that's what I was guessing.12:59
ograsocomm good giess...thumbs up12:59
ogra+u12:59
rebirthworld_hiker, is that when your trying to view a computers shares?01:00
socommOpenAL has that spatial sound goodness that most commercial games use.01:00
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world_hikeryes01:00
FTTPis there a development release of the next gen ubuntu?01:00
FTTPthat i can try01:00
rebirthworld_hiker, i get the same error :p01:00
rebirthworld_hiker, i get the same error :{01:00
rokaholicyeah i would be interested in something like that too01:00
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socommFTTP: hoary01:01
rokaholici wanted a ubuntu release with xorg in it01:01
ilmaribonobo: hoary01:01
bonobo: the hoary hedgehog is ubuntus unstable development branch see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog01:01
world_hikeri also have files on the network server that i can't access01:01
FTTPbonobo thanks!01:01
rebirthworld_hiker, is it a windows os?01:01
ilmarirokaholic: what bonobo said01:01
rokaholicah ic01:01
rokaholicso is there an install cd snapshot then?01:01
rebirthwfx, libapache2-mod-php4 still didn't give me the php command01:01
wfxrebirth, do you access a anyname.php with youre browser and it does not work?01:01
socommrokaholic: you can `apt-get upgrade' into hoary.01:02
rebirthwfx, no, it works in the browser01:02
rebirthwfx, i want the physical php command i can run from a terminal01:02
rokaholicoh so i install warty01:02
world_hikerrebirth, i assume so01:02
rokaholicand then upgrade to hoary01:02
wfxrebirth, it works in the browser and this is not wha you want?01:02
wfxoh ok01:02
rebirthwfx, it works in the browser yes, i want that, but i also want the command php01:02
socommrokaholic: check the wiki I think there are some snapshots of hoary, but if you got warty installed just upgrade.01:02
wfxso you need the php4 package01:02
wfxalso01:03
socommbonobo: wiki01:03
FTTPTo install Hoary, you may edit your /etc/apt/sources.list configuration file to replace all instances of 'warty' with 'hoary.' You can then go aboutupdating and upgrading to Hoary with apt, aptitude or synaptic as you would normally.01:03
rokaholick yeah i think upgrading would be the easiest01:03
rokaholicsince the main thing i really want is just xorg01:03
socommDamn bots >_<.01:03
wfx:)01:03
FTTPso i have to install warty to get hoary right?01:03
Kamionrokaholic: yes, there's an alpha install CD, see the mailing lists01:03
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socommrokaholic: cool, you can also install xorg from scratch :-D01:03
KamionFTTP: a testing install CD is available. look for "Subject: Array CD 1" on ubuntu-users01:03
wfxsocomm, do it again01:03
rokaholicyeah i think ill stick with warty then if the install CD is alpha01:03
rebirthwfx, ok done, still no command01:04
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socommbonobo: wiki01:04
bonobothe wiki is here http://wiki.ubuntu.com/01:04
rokaholicyeah i know i could install from scratch, but debs are nice :)01:04
Kamionrokaholic: well, it works well enough, just no particular polish over warty01:04
FTTPkamion thanks01:04
ograhttp://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/current/01:04
rokaholicthanks for the info01:04
Kamionrokaholic: but if you already have a warty install, sure, upgrade01:04
scoonah socomm01:04
Kamionogra: dailies are for experts and may be randomly broken01:04
scoonnow there is a great game that i haven't played in a while01:04
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wfxnever user in a terminal but i think it must something like "php script"01:04
Kamionogra: or for cases where somebody explicitly asks you to try the current daily01:04
socommwfx is there a way to make bonobo 'learn'?01:05
rebirthwfx, don't understand what you just said01:05
rokaholicthis is for my brother, he's new to linux01:05
rokaholici haven't installed yet01:05
Kamionyou probably want /releases/hoary/array-1/ instead of /daily/current/01:05
wfxsocomm, yes01:05
ograKamion: oops... sorry.... just was adding it to the bot....deleted again ....01:05
rokaholicyeah01:05
Tychewfx: tis okay. I should be careful with sarcasm. Nothing done here. <ends> Thanks for all your help though. I am really liking ubuntu even more then this morning...and I really liked it this morning! =)01:05
rokaholicim gonna just install warty01:05
rokaholicand then upgrade the pkgs that i think need upgrading01:05
Kamionogra: this bot is scaring me more and more, I wonder how much misinformation it will be filled with ...01:05
Tycheogra: I understand how the repositories work a lot more now, and understand the 6 month cycle.01:05
FTTPkamion whats the difference?01:06
KamionI guess we should start auditing its contents01:06
wfxrebirth, sorry its too late for me :) i think you must type in a terminal "php SCRIPT"01:06
KamionFTTP: between what and what?01:06
rokaholicanyone here had experience with fedora core 3 yet?01:06
FTTPkamion array-1 is alpha and not snapshot?01:06
genri like fd3 a lot, but it seems kind of sluggish01:06
rokaholici've always heard fedora core was kinda broken01:06
rebirthwfx, amr@rebirth:~ $ php test.php01:06
rebirthbash: php: command not found01:06
rokaholicthats why i was interested in using ubuntu01:06
KamionFTTP: the Array CD series consists of milestone CD images that I personally test and bless as a release01:06
mos|foodbonobo, mp301:06
bonobo: for mp3 music see: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats01:06
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FTTPkamion ok sounds good :)01:06
KamionFTTP: /daily/current/ is generated entirely automatically from the current state of the archive01:06
ograKamion: bob2 has access (is he official ?).....currently  there are only wiki urls in01:07
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electricsheepdrehow do I download something onto another partition?01:07
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KamionFTTP: both are snapshots; the difference is in the level of QA applied01:07
wfxrebirth, what do a "ph" + [tab] 01:07
FTTPkamion gotcha01:07
socommelectricsheepdre: more info01:07
Kamionogra: he's a Canonical employee and knows what he's talking about, certainly01:07
rebirthwfx, i dont get anything returned01:07
electricsheepdreit's ext3, so I think it's doable.  I dont have enough room on my root partition for it01:07
ograKamion: okay.... so i did it right i think, he is aware of all there01:07
JStrikeAh. It seems that jdub is already looking into getting rcd/rug/redcarpet working under Ubuntu01:08
socommelectricsheepdre: save as then download to the target partition.01:08
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wfxrebirth, give me some sec.01:08
JStrikeKamion : So it might just happen sooner than later01:08
rebirthwfx, kk01:08
ograKamion: wfx runs it, so if he shall shut down....tell it...01:08
epWhen I minimize, where is my window going, and can I reopen without reopening the program?01:08
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epAs if all didn't know by this time, new linux user here.01:09
electricsheepdrewhen I click on the link, it gives me the option to download, but only onto my root partition01:10
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rebirthwfx, a bit of whoring on the forums got me it, thanks :)01:10
Mabusgreetings! I'm getting an error in ipw2200 on boot (intel 2200 bg wireless network card): UNKNOWNSTATUS_ERROR.01:10
electricsheepdre(and it wants to save it as a bin file, while the file im trying to download is an iso.  that seems like a problem)01:10
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MabusDoes anyone know how to disable that module from loading, or possibly how to fix it otherwise ?01:10
FTTPkamion:  Ubuntu has nice artwork01:10
PenguinBoyevening guys!!!01:10
rebirthwfx,  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2899 ;)01:10
PenguinBoyany modem exerts in here?01:11
PenguinBoyexperts01:11
wfxah cgi ok next time i know the right one01:11
GoneBoBwfx: there is a difference01:11
GoneBoBphp cli doesn't output HTML01:11
GoneBoBphp cgi outputs html and Content-Type: headers01:11
socommelectricsheepdre: you can make a link to your other partition.01:12
electricsheepdrehow?01:12
wfxGoneBoB, yes i was looking what the packages include01:12
MabusI can't boot - the error scrolls forever on the screen.01:12
PenguinBoyMy friend just installed Ubuntu and loves it but he is having some problems.....My ISP is http://www.ricochet.net and I run a "wireless" modem. It01:12
PenguinBoyfunctions as a dial-up modem that plugs in USB. Its just that instead01:12
PenguinBoyof dialing up the phone, it dials the air (3333).01:12
PenguinBoyhe cannot get it to work in Ubuntu01:12
GoneBoBPenguinBoy: weird01:13
socommelectricsheepdre: man ln01:13
GoneBoBPenguinBoy: it may not work01:13
GoneBoBPenguinBoy: what is happening with it?01:13
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rebirthPenguinBoy, has it worked in linux before?01:13
socommelectricsheepdre: `ln -s /path/to/partition/ ~/other_partition'01:13
PenguinBoyyes with Suse 9.101:13
FTTPreport it as a bug01:13
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FTTP<grin>01:13
PenguinBoylol01:14
mjrPenguinBoy, wild guessing, but see if it is recognized as a tty device, see which one, and try to hook up ppp with it (dmesg might provide useful information, or the system logs)01:14
electricsheepdrehmm01:14
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electricsheepdreI think I get it, but I'm having trouble figuring out exactly what to type in.  maybe something like ln --backup /dev/hdc2/ linkfile?01:15
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socommelectricsheepdre: no is your other partition mounted?01:16
krismi set up postfix to use several dns blacklists. any idea how to test that they're... actually working?01:16
PenguinBoythanks mjr!!!01:16
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electricsheepdreyeah on /mnt01:17
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unikumany from Sweden here?01:17
socommelectricsheepdre: it should be something like `ln -s /mnt/partition2 ~/partition2' which links partition2 to your home directory.01:17
socommelectricsheepdre: okay what's the name of the directory where's it mounted to?01:17
wfxrebirth, what is the package name, i cant find it.... (maybe my sleepy eyes)01:17
electricsheepdrehmm01:18
electricsheepdreim not sure where it's mounted to01:18
rebirthwfx, php4-cgi i think01:18
rebirthyeah01:18
rebirthit is01:18
rebirthamr@rebirth:~ $ php01:18
rebirthphp   php401:18
socommelectricsheepdre: run `df' that should list your partitons01:19
wfxcgi01:19
rebirthyep01:19
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punkassusing warty just did an update/upgrade and i get an error when it trys to install samba01:19
punkassinvoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/S91samba01:20
punkassdpkg: warining - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 10201:21
wfxhmmmm, but cgi is server side scripting or not?01:21
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FTTPhow would i upgrade from warty to the new version when it comes out?01:21
FTTPcan i use apt-get?01:21
punkassyup01:21
FTTPor do i need to download the cd01:21
FTTPi can?  awesome01:21
punkassyou wil just have to do a apt-get dist_upgrade01:21
FTTPpunkass thanks :)01:22
punkassno prob01:22
farruinnwon't you have to change your apt sources?01:22
Tycheogra: I uncommented the universe repository on another machine and I get the directory error.01:22
FTTPdebian rules01:22
FTTPfarruinn oh its more complex?01:22
punkassyes u will have to change them from warty to hoary i believe01:22
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ograTyche: got 2 universes in ?01:22
FTTPpunkass how do u do that?01:22
punkassFTTP: not complex...just have to tell it which dist to upgrade to01:22
FTTPoh01:22
punkassits a 2 line edit :)01:23
farruinnI forget where the sources.list file is...01:23
Tycheyea, it is the exact same source.list from this machine I am on. And it works here.01:23
Tycheogra: yea, it is the exact same source.list from this machine I am on. And it works here.01:23
punkasshere: /etc/apt/sources.list01:23
FTTPpunkass i take it the website will tell you what to edit?01:23
FTTPwhen the new release is out01:23
punkasswhen the release comes out it will for sure01:23
ograTyche: did you refresh ?01:23
FTTPkewl01:23
FTTPsee thats why i love debian01:23
punkassyes01:24
FTTPu can do that01:24
FTTPubuntu is awesome :)01:24
FTTPpunkass:  Is the partition bug with windows still there?01:24
punkassnot sure01:24
FTTPi know it was a kernel 2.6 problem01:24
FTTPi had that problem with another linux distro01:24
epodum, I have this issue when I pause totem-xine.. when I unpause, it says the audio device is in use and won't play.  What can I do about this?01:24
punkassi have it on its own drive...so ive never run into it01:24
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FTTPpunkass yeah i have 2 drives, one for linux01:25
PenguinBoynight guys01:25
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Tycheogra: =) that worked. I thought exiting and going back in would have done that...nope.01:25
FTTPpunkass but the mbr goes on the 1st hd01:25
FTTPand it messes up01:25
punkassah01:25
=== wfx last day i have ask should i shutdown the bot or not -> no answer i ask again (i have no problem with it)
FTTPshould i put mbr on 2nd?01:25
Tycheogra: thanks!01:25
punkassepod: is there something else that plays a sound after u pause..like gaim or something?01:25
FTTPpunkass how do u have it setup?01:25
ograTyche: ;)01:25
punkassjust have it as a single drive01:25
FTTPoh01:26
FTTPu only have 1 hd?01:26
Tycheogra, wfx, treenaks Thanks, really. I have a lot accomplished here today...I best go now.01:26
epodpunkass: no, nothing else is making noise01:26
punkassyes01:26
wfxyou are welcome01:26
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FTTPok01:26
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FTTPwell ill try the installer01:26
FTTPworst that happens is i gotta reinstall windows mbr01:26
FTTPwhich is a pain01:27
FTTPwish me luck :)01:27
FTTPheh01:27
wfxhave a nice day, i left01:27
gengood luck01:27
zenwhenfttp is not a registered protocol01:27
FTTPlol01:27
ograwfx: night01:27
zenwhenyou sir, are a scam01:27
FTTProfl01:27
zenwhen>:(01:27
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FTTPzenwhen:  FTTP is fiber :)01:27
FTTPim real01:27
FTTPfiber to the premises01:28
zenwhenLIES01:28
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FTTPheh01:28
zenwhen:P01:28
punkassFTTP: maybe check out the forums first01:28
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FTTPzenwhen im waiting for my fiber connection which should come very soon01:28
punkassmight be an aswer there01:28
FTTPpunkass nah ill install01:28
FTTPi like it alot01:28
FTTPi have the livecd now01:28
zenwhenwhoa01:28
punkassgood luck01:28
moyotesocomm, libsdl-all did the trick. Thank you.01:28
TycheBye all.01:28
arc_is it possible to enable composite and make it work with metacity in Hoary?01:28
zenwhendont forget my sidebar http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=465601:28
zenwhen:D01:29
FTTPpunkass u think the livecd + regular install grub or boot screen or whatever is the same?01:29
FTTPit appears messed up on the screen01:29
socommmoyote: cool enjoy.01:29
FTTPthats the onlything i noticed01:29
FTTPpunkass i mean not grub but the prompt for the livecd01:29
FTTPit may be different, ill try the cd01:29
punkassi would use the install cd01:30
Kamionarc_: I've seen it work, but it was horribly, horribly slow and not really worth it01:30
arc_mmmm01:31
arc_Kamion: you mean compoiste?01:31
arc_Kamion: or composite on ubuntu?01:31
FTTPack01:31
FTTPno cds left01:31
FTTPone cdrw i have01:31
FTTPgood enuff :)01:31
Kamionarc_: yes, we sat down and put all the bits together on top of a fresh Hoary installation late last week01:31
FTTPevery time i have to reburn the cdrw i have to do a full erase, partial never works right01:32
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FTTPthats 8 minutes right there :(01:32
punkassi had composite running on hoary...kinda cool..but to slow for regular use01:32
FTTPoh well01:32
arc_Kamion: you tried it with a well supported graphic card?01:32
FTTPi downloaded the warty install last nite01:32
FTTPi had the livecd already01:32
Kamionarc_: hell no, it was random Via rubbish :)01:32
Kamionarc_: expocity didn't really make me terribly enthusiastic even so, but I might not be its target audience01:33
JStrikearc_ : XComposit is pretty much useless at the moment until there are window managers that use it. Metacity is coming along fast, but is not usable with Composit enabled yet01:33
arc_mmm01:34
arc_I want to try it anyway01:34
arc_:P01:34
JStrikeDude, why? It is a lot of effort for no gain01:35
arc_the story of my life01:35
arc_:P01:35
JStrikeWait untill havoc has got the composit manager working properly01:35
punkassits pretty easy.. install the xcompmgr package...edit xorg.conf and restart x01:36
punkassthen run xcompmgr01:36
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arc_punkass: xcompmgr does not seem able on universe at all01:36
JStrikexcompmgr isn't the way you want to do it01:36
JStrikeIt is fine for testing, but that is it01:36
punkassyeah thats all i used it for01:36
punkassjust to play for a bit01:36
punkassthen turned it off01:36
JStrikeIt also used to kill Firefox hard when there was any flash due to problems with the Alpha channel01:37
JStrikeDont know whether that has been fixed yet01:37
arc_mmmm01:37
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arc_JStrike: you win01:38
arc_JStrike: I'll wait01:38
FTTPis userlinux + ubuntu merging?01:38
FTTPboth have same concept :P01:38
HrdwrBoBno01:38
arc_pretty courious, blender rendering works fine with my iBook since I'm using X.org01:38
FTTPi havent even tried userlinux tho01:38
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arc_with XFree crashes01:38
arc_hey bdale, how are you?01:39
HrdwrBoBFTTP: ubuntu is actually very different01:39
bdalearc_: tired.  just home from a trip over the weekend.01:39
arc_bdale: I'm in the same state, I came back from madrid yesterday01:40
arc_in fact, gonna sleep right now01:40
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eptrying to make a tgz file.  what are the commands01:40
arc_bye bye01:40
HrdwrBoBtar czvf file.tar.gx files01:41
crackwhaddup all01:41
JStrikeHaven't used Wine in years. Now I remember why01:41
JStrikeHas anybody tried wine on Ubuntu? Does it work for you?01:41
crackim gonna try cedega01:41
crackhavent yet01:41
HrdwrBoBI've only used cedega01:41
crackhey bob, did it work well for you on ubuntu?01:42
HrdwrBoByep01:42
HrdwrBoB100%01:42
epI tried tar -zxvf created the folders, but then how do I go about making the files01:42
JStrikeYeah. I used to use cedega. It worked very well for games01:42
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crackcan you plat cs on it?01:42
HrdwrBoBfiance playing warcraft3 = very happy01:42
crackah01:42
crackkewl01:42
HrdwrBoByes I imagine so01:42
HrdwrBoBif you were that way inclined01:42
crackdoes steam work with it01:42
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zenwhenanyone use point2play?01:42
zenwhenI dont want to really01:43
rebirthi do01:43
zenwhenbut I wanted to try it01:43
epls01:43
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zenwhenwhats the command to run it01:43
rebirthive used cs on it01:43
rebirthnot so great01:43
thoreauputicep, the command you used is for extracting, not creating01:43
rebirthPoint2Play01:43
FTTPtalking about cedega and wine01:43
crackhey bob, i want to install new themes under ubuntu, i can get the theme downloaded, but how do i add it to the list to run it?01:43
FTTPi can use that with ubuntu?01:43
HrdwrBoBcrack: from the theme dialog01:43
crackyea01:43
crackbut01:43
FTTPubuntu doesnt come with wine right?01:44
HrdwrBoBFTTP: if you read what was being said, yes01:44
crackhow do i add it?01:44
cracklike a diff theme01:44
FTTPhrdwrbob:  It would be awesome if ubuntu came with wine01:44
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HrdwrBoBcrack: there is an install theme button in the theme dialog01:44
FTTPeventually01:44
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HrdwrBoBFTTP: why?01:44
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FTTPhrdwrbob cause otherwise we gotta install it ourselfs :P01:44
FTTPwine means windows users can use windows apps01:44
SirG3Why would BZFlag run (a LOT) slower under Ubuntu than OS X?01:45
FTTPsome apps anyways01:45
chazwurthhi, could someone give me a hand with a problem I'm having during an Ubuntu installation?01:45
KneelBeforeXorgSirG3: you probably don't have 3d acceleration enabled for your video card01:45
SirG3KneelBeforeXord: How would I go about that?01:45
rebirthhmm01:45
KneelBeforeXorgwhat video card do you have?01:45
rebirthdid apt-get install oidentd, forwarded the ports, but it isn't working :|01:45
HrdwrBoBFTTP: it's trivial to install, and you don't need windows apps for the most part01:45
HrdwrBoBchazwurth: what is the problem01:45
chazwurthI'm trying to install using the default (non-expert) mode, and I'm getting errors during the partitioning step01:46
SirG3ATI Rage Pro 128 IIRC, it's on an iMac 400MHz heh01:46
FTTPhrdwrbob:  Tell that to users who want to run lots of internet apps which are windows only01:46
FTTPand games01:46
KneelBeforeXorgI didn't know ubuntu-ppc was out01:46
FTTPbut anyways01:46
ograbonobo: ati SirG301:46
bonoboSirG3: for ati in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto01:46
FTTPi can download wine so its ok :P01:46
Kamionchazwurth: details of errors?01:46
HrdwrBoBFTTP: exactly01:46
KamionKneelBeforeXorg: always has been01:46
KneelBeforeXorgbonobo++01:46
chazwurthI'm installing on one of three partitions, all primary. The partitioner errors when trying to format the partition.01:46
HrdwrBoBfrom a business perspective01:46
KneelBeforeXorgI was just looking for that01:46
rebirthdid apt-get install oidentd, forwarded the ports, but it isn't working :| - still get the ~ - ports are open01:46
KneelBeforeXorgKamion: good to know01:46
chazwurthalso, if I drop to a shell and try to start cfdisk, I get an 'unable to open disk' error or something similar01:47
chazwurth(I forget the exact error message, I'll try to reproduce it in a moment)01:47
FTTPgonna install ubuntu01:47
FTTPwish me luck :)01:47
FTTPi was using livecd01:47
rebirthgd luck01:47
rebirthits a breeze :)01:47
epmine went smooth as anything.01:47
ogragood luck01:47
FTTPi hope it doesnt mess up my partitioning01:47
FTTPwith windows xp01:47
rebirthmine didnt :)01:48
rebirthhmm01:48
rebirthanyone any ideas on the oident problem?01:48
FTTPi had problems with a few linux distros with grub01:48
rebirthshould i reinstall it?01:48
FTTPill try it01:48
FTTPbrb01:48
FTTPill let u know how it went01:48
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chazwurthok, the error when I try to start cfdisk is: unable to open disk drive01:49
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crackubuntu works well with a winxp part01:50
ograrebirth: why do you run a ident server ?01:50
chazwurthwhen I select 'manually edit partition table' in the partitioner, all the partitions are detected correctly, but it fails to actually do anything with them.01:50
ograrebirth: just curious01:50
rebirthogra, because i do, i don't like the ~ in irc, and it means i connect faster01:50
ograrebirth: ah thanks01:51
Kamionchazwurth: have a look through /dev/discs/ and see if all your partitions are listed01:51
Kamionunfortunately I can't help more, have to go to bed01:51
ograKamion: sleep well01:51
chazwurthKamion: thanks for the tip01:51
rebirthogra, any idea how to get it working? ;S01:51
ograrebirth: it probably expects to be run by inetd by default.... did you try to start it ?01:53
rebirthogra, yep01:53
rebirth/etc/init.d/oidentd start01:53
rebirth/etc/init.d/oidentd restart01:53
rebirtheverything01:53
ograrebirth: sudo  ?01:54
rebirthyea01:54
rebirthrestartin inetd now01:54
chazwurthhmm. apparently all three partitions are *not* showing up in /dev/discs, and yet the partitioner sees them all. anyone have any ideas about that?01:54
ograrebirth: would this work without a relogin on irc ?01:54
rebirthogra, i'll do that now01:54
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ogranope01:55
rebirthpah :[01:55
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ograrebirth: got a router ?01:55
unikumis java installed by default?01:55
rebirthogra, indeed01:56
ograbonobo: java unikum01:56
bonobounikum: for java in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats01:56
ograrebirth: probably any port needs to get forwarded, i dont know enough about ident to help here...01:56
rebirthogra, i've forwarded the ports01:57
rebirthtry an nmap on me, theyre open :[01:57
unikumthanks01:57
ograunikum: ;)01:57
unikumi m a total newbie, installed Ubuntu yesterday01:57
ograunikum: how do you like it ?01:58
ograrebirth: any configfile to tweak ?01:58
rebirth/etc/oidentd.conf01:58
rebirthfriend installed it and the one out-of-box worked01:58
unikumnice, i like the apt-get stuff. I hade some probs with dns though .. but i think i have solved it01:58
crackwelcome unikum01:59
rebirth113/tcp  open   auth01:59
ograyay01:59
unikumnow i will try to install java :) btw is wine installed by default?02:00
rebirthso it has to be on my end02:00
cracki am not quite a total nub anymore since last night02:00
crackthese guys helped me alot02:00
crackwine should be installed by default02:00
rebirthnot sure, i don't think mine was02:00
crackbut you can check in your user/bin file02:00
cracki believe that is where it usually is02:00
crackor i think maybe you could type sudo which wine02:00
crackdoes that work on linux guys?02:01
crackwhich cmd?02:01
cracklemme check02:01
krismcrack: s/nub/newb/g;02:01
krism:)02:01
cracklol02:01
crackdoesnt that work tho?02:01
cracki know it does on freebsd02:01
crackor openbsd02:02
crackthe which cmd02:02
rebirthamr@rebirth:~ $ which vi02:02
rebirth/usr/bin/vi02:02
ogracrack: which works ....02:02
krismcrack, yes, 'which' works02:02
crackok02:02
crackwhat would be the cmd to see if he has wine?02:02
rebirthanyone here familiar with oidentd?02:02
crackisnt it sudo which wine02:02
krismnow if i could get bitchx to use C-k to delete a line.. *grumble*02:02
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krismcrack: just "which wine"02:03
crackah02:03
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krismcrack: are you running ubuntu? it's not installed, nor in the repository.02:03
crackyep02:03
crackyea its not showing up02:03
krismcrack: you'll need to build from source, or get a commercial distribution :(02:03
rebirthwhat isn't?02:03
crackwine02:03
krismrebirth: wine02:03
rebirthis for me02:03
rebirthim gettin it now02:03
krismerr, what he said02:03
unikumrequires 'multiverse' in sources.list) what does this mean?02:03
crackusing the package manager rebirth?02:03
krismrebirth ?02:03
rebirthno, apt-get02:04
krismkrism@evilpen:/var/www/apache2-default $ apt-cache search wine02:04
krismkrism@evilpen:/var/www/apache2-default $02:04
rebirthi mena02:04
ograbonobo: synaptic unikum02:04
bonobounikum: package management in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto02:04
rebirthyea02:04
crackyea02:04
t17mhI seem to have set something up that is cutting my mail off at ~75k. I get mail with fetchmail. Any idea what I could have configured to do this (the problem is new since doing a fresh install of ubuntu -- I assumed I answered some question stupidly in configuring)02:04
crackdid u change to universe?02:04
rebirthmine returns lots02:04
rebirthno idea lol02:04
cracklol02:04
crackadd all the repositories02:04
krismoops, my bad, i'm in the default repo.. :/02:04
rebirthwhen i installed ubuntu it was at like 3am whilst drunk02:04
crackfor the best results02:04
rebirth;)02:04
krismrebirth .. drunk sounds like a good idea..02:04
NewComerwhere's the ugly gnome splash icons, can't find them in /etc/share/pixmaps/splash02:04
cracki am learning from alot of these guys02:04
cracksmart peeps02:05
crackyes, i said peeps02:05
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cracklol02:05
crackthanks02:05
krismokay, i'm going to drink some cheap wine now.. ;) later.02:05
crackboones farm02:05
crackrox02:05
rebirthamr@rebirth:~ $ which wine02:06
rebirth/usr/bin/wine02:06
rebirth\o/02:06
crackis it there rebirth?02:06
rebirthi think its in universe02:06
crackno02:06
crackdidnt you say you were getting it?02:06
crackdownloading it from apt-get02:06
rebirthyeah i just apt-get'd it now02:06
crackyea02:06
crackdid u add the rest of the repos?02:07
rebirthprobably02:07
rebirth:D02:07
thoreauputiccrack: that output shows he has it in /usr/bin02:07
crackyea02:07
thoreauputicrebirth> amr@rebirth:~ $ which wine02:07
thoreauputic<rebirth> /usr/bin/wine02:07
crackhey thor02:07
crackgood to see ya02:07
crackthanks for last night02:07
crackagain02:07
thoreauputichey crack :)02:07
thoreauputicno worries02:07
thoreauputic;)02:07
cracklearned alot man02:07
crackkept messin with it too02:07
crackbut02:08
crackhey rebirth02:08
crackthat showed you have wine02:08
KneelBeforeXorghmmm02:08
KneelBeforeXorghello crack02:08
crackhi kneel02:08
KneelBeforeXorgwhere'd you get the nick?02:08
crackits my counterstrike name02:08
KneelBeforeXorgah02:08
cracktsc crack02:08
crackactually02:08
crackits short02:08
crackfor crackheadjunky02:08
unikumhow do i switch everything back to english? Now some stuff is in swedish and some in english02:08
KneelBeforeXorgI had a friend who used to call me a "crackmonkey" all the time02:09
cracklol02:09
KneelBeforeXorgso I bought crackmonkey.org02:09
cracklol02:09
KneelBeforeXorgand started a mailing list02:09
crackany good site?02:09
thoreauputicunikum: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales02:09
KneelBeforeXorglasted a few years, too02:09
KneelBeforeXorgthere's some hilarity up, yes02:09
cracklol02:09
crackhang on02:09
cracklemme check it out02:09
thoreauputicunikum: if that doesn't work, install localecolnf02:10
thoreauputic*localeconf02:10
crackis that u rick moen?02:10
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FTTPhelp02:10
ograrebirth: hmm your ports are open....02:11
crackmeh02:11
FTTPi installed ubuntu and i got 3 fatal modprobe errors02:11
FTTPbut it seems to work fine02:11
FTTPis fatal modprobe errors normal?02:11
cracki get them when i run xmms02:11
ograFTTP: just cosmetic.... pciehp ?02:11
FTTPogra yeah that was one of them02:11
thoreauputicFTTP: if everythibg works, ignore02:11
thoreauputic*everything02:12
crackhmm02:12
thoreauputiccan't type :/02:12
cracklol02:12
FTTPogra all 3 are just cosmetic errors?02:12
ograFTTP: ignore them......they tell you in a bad way that you dont have any pci hotplug (normally server) devices02:12
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crackhey thor, i got so good at it last night i have kde running on ubuntu now02:12
lupus_someone that uses qemu?02:12
FTTPogra ohhhh that needs to be fixed :)02:12
thoreauputiccrack: heh... that's a giant leap backwards ;)02:13
FTTPogra:  users will get confused like i just did02:13
cracklol02:13
ograFTTP: yep, the error should just say "not found"02:13
cracki didnt like gnome02:13
FTTPogra well actually that screen should be covered up02:13
FTTPa gui installer is coming so :P02:13
ograFTTP: i have answered this question 100 times.....02:13
thoreauputiccrack: I was kidding - KDE is OK if you like it02:13
crackits just heavy gui thats all02:13
FTTPogra about modprobe error?02:13
ograFTTP: and i am not the only one ....02:14
ograyep02:14
cracki need to learn how to get my ntfs drives to show up as icons02:14
thoreauputicFTTP: umm... linux likes to tell you stuff about your system: it isn't a bug, it's a feature :)02:14
cracki have them running in fstab and i can get them in console02:14
FTTPogra ok well for now someone should put on the website02:14
FTTPthat this is normal :P02:14
FTTPi also did an update of the system02:15
ograFTTP: i think its in the wiki somewhere,,,,just have no url handy02:15
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FTTPit downloaded all these apps02:15
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FTTPi didnt think i clicked on anything for it02:15
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ograFTTP: update ?02:15
FTTPlike thousands of apps downloaded and installed02:15
crackhey thor got a sec in a private?02:15
FTTPyeah02:15
FTTPogra was i supposed to do that?02:15
ograFTTP: how ?02:15
FTTPogra when i installed02:15
thoreauputiccrack: no - keep it in the channel, OK :)02:15
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crackok02:15
ograFTTP: you can upgrade all the time, dont worry02:16
FTTPogra it asked if i wanted to update when i installed02:16
FTTPyes is the default right?02:16
cracki was asking earlier, i have gotten another theme02:16
ograFTTP: thats pretty much ok02:16
crackbut i cant get it to pick it up in the x system to change to it02:16
crackhow do i get it to do that?02:16
FTTPogra the stock text grub is ugly :P02:16
thoreauputicFTTP: when you install one thing, it installs the dependencies02:16
ograFTTP: just be careful what repositorys you add then you will always be dine02:17
FTTPcould use a ubuntu'ized grub02:17
thoreauputiccrack: depends - KDE or GNOME?02:17
crackkde02:17
ograFTTP: will change in the next release02:17
FTTPogra yep its easy to do02:17
KneelBeforeXorgcrack: haha, no, I am not rick moen02:17
cracklol02:17
thoreauputiccrack: should be something in the KDE control centre  I think02:17
HrdwrBoBhahaha02:17
FTTPogra i didnt add anything just used the default yes when i installed my system02:17
crackyea i just cant find it thor02:17
FTTPogra:  thank goodness i have a fast connection, otherwise it would have taken years to download, it was LARGE02:18
neighborleenot that it matters really ( I can do manually just fine ) but is it possible somehow to get synaptic ( after getting a new app/game) to add it to the right gnome menu ? .;-)thx anyone <<02:18
thoreauputiccrack:  well I'm running fluxbox so...02:18
FTTPit downloaded like many many apps02:18
ograFTTP: you will probably want other software......02:18
crackhow do u like flux?02:18
FTTPogra:  Im new so......... i dunno :P02:18
ograbonobo: synaptic FTTP02:18
bonoboFTTP: package management in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto02:18
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FTTPogra:  Sound works fine which is a good thing, since many distros didnt configure my sound right02:19
thoreauputiccrack: well, obviously I like it or I wouldn't be running it ;)02:19
ograFTTP: you should read this and enable universe.....so you get the full benefit of all software02:19
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crackim getting it now02:19
crackflux that is02:19
thoreauputiccrack: it's pretty minimal02:20
crackbrb gonna start flux02:20
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FTTPogra my monitor settings are bad02:21
FTTPogra how do i adjust refresh rate + Res and stuff?02:21
FTTPits bad on the eyes like this02:21
FraXI am wondering. Is it possible to install Ubuntu with install floppies rather than the cd?02:21
FraXthe box i am trying to install on does not have one02:22
ograFTTP: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree8602:22
veranFraX: ummm02:22
zenwhenFTTP, are you not able to get into gnome?02:22
zenwhenIf you cna get into gnome, oyu can adjust form there02:22
zenwhenyou*02:22
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ograFTTP: if you cant adjust form the computer menu02:23
ografrom02:23
zenwhenlook what i made you do ogra02:23
FTTPim in gnome right now02:23
zenwhenO:02:23
FTTPwhat do i adjust?02:23
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zenwhenoh02:23
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zenwhengo to "computer"  and then to Desktop settings02:23
ograFTTP: computer->system settings02:24
zenwhenoops02:24
zenwheni mean system configuration02:24
ograzenwhen: :)02:24
zenwhenand then go to screen resolution02:24
zenwhenboom02:24
ogragot me :)02:24
FTTPogra it doesnt detect the correct refresh rates02:24
zenwhenruh roh02:24
FTTPi have much higher rates02:24
pedruis there a way display to display man/info pages in nautilus?02:25
ograFTTP: so try the command i gave you.....02:25
amrgah02:25
amridentd still tells me to fo02:25
jdubpedru: no02:25
ograFTTP: in a terminal02:25
pedrudamn..02:25
jdubpedru: yelp will have support for them again soon, we hope.02:25
ograpedru: it once was possible in the help viewer...02:25
FTTPogra ok ill scroll up02:26
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pedruman pages of scary powerful programs look so much more motivating in these konqueror style coloured well formated man pages02:26
pedruyelp...02:26
pedruin 2.8 i guess02:26
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ograpedru: ubuntu is 2.802:26
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thoreauputicpedru: there are web pages with man pages, if you want them02:27
crackok02:27
FTTPogra help02:27
crackflux was too hard02:27
cracklol02:27
FTTPi dont know pci identifier02:27
cracknot ready for me02:27
ograFTTP: it will provide the default settings.....02:27
FTTPi just kept the default02:27
FTTPok02:27
FTTPogra i dont know how many megs my video card is02:27
pedruthoreauputic, thanks, i didn't knew that02:27
FTTPi think its 6402:27
FTTPbut im not 100%02:28
ograFTTP: just hit enter until you get to the monitor02:28
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thoreauputiccrack: heh - an editor is kind of useful to use flux02:28
pedruthanks ogra02:28
ograpedru: youre welcome02:28
thoreauputicpedru: :)02:28
pedrui'm messing around with pure-data02:28
pedruso much new stuff02:29
thoreauputicpedru02:29
thoreauputicoops02:29
pedruyes?02:29
pedru^_^02:29
thoreauputicpedru: http://linuxcommand.org/superman_pages.php02:29
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thoreauputicpedru: there are others but that's what I have bookmarked for these occasions02:30
pedruthoreauputic, even bigger thanks...02:30
pedruthats a bookmark candidate02:30
FTTPnope doesnt change em02:30
thoreauputicpedru: that's a good site, BTW02:30
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FTTPwe need a new installer which will fix this02:31
FTTPother distros have this correct02:31
chazwurthhmm. so, I decided to allow the installer to wipe my hard drive and install on one large partition. It seems to have frozen at 33% complete for the last minute or so. should I be worried about this?02:31
crackits ok02:31
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crackim gonna learn this first02:31
ograFTTP: after changing you must relogin02:31
FTTPoh well02:31
crackfor a while02:31
FTTPogra oh02:31
chazwurthfrozen at the 'formatting' step that is.02:31
FTTPok02:31
FTTPlet me try02:31
FTTPnot sure if it will change anything02:31
FTTPbut we shall see02:32
crackwhat are you installing fttp?02:32
crackubuntu?02:32
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crackmeh02:32
crackhey thor, i still cant install a different theme that i picked up off the net02:32
ograchazwurth: what filesystem ?02:33
crackhow do i add it to the list? do u know?02:33
pedruthoreauputic, ohhh, they got a shell tutorial too...02:33
chazwurthogra: seems to be doing ext302:33
chazwurthogra: I'm just doing the completely default install.02:33
thoreauputicpedru: yup - it's a good one: I used bits of it to learn bash02:33
ograchazwurth: how big is the disk ?02:34
chazwurthogra: about 30 gigs.02:34
thoreauputiccrack: sorry, I'm no KDE expert I'm afraid02:34
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ajuliusnope02:34
ograchazwurth: should take not too long ....02:34
ajuliusdoesnt change it02:34
crackits k02:34
chazwurthogra: it's still sitting at 33%. although the machine isn't frozen, I can still switch to other virtual terminals.02:34
cracki will get it02:34
ajuliusubuntu is clean and nice, needs work on the installer and monitor detection02:35
ajulius:)02:35
ograchazwurth: so give it some time.....normally it works.....02:35
pedruthoreauputic, i'm currently using bash only for executing single commands... wanted to go a little into details...02:35
chazwurthogra: will do.02:35
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ajuliusshould i report the monitor detection as a bug?02:35
ograajulius: FTTP ?02:35
ajuliusogra02:35
ajuliusyes02:35
ajuliussorry02:35
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ograajulius: confusing :)02:35
pedruwell, g00d night02:36
thoreauputicpedru: I have  a little timer script I've written here, if you are interested (first attempt at a GUI)02:36
pedruthoreauputic, yes..02:36
pedrucan you send it?02:36
thoreauputicpedru: just check this:02:36
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FTTPsorry02:36
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FTTPreloged and it changed my settings02:36
FTTPanyways02:36
FTTPstill not working02:36
thoreauputicpedru: do you have Xdialog installed?02:36
FTTPill report it as a bug02:36
FTTPit should have a selection for monitor in the install02:37
ograFTTP: do it02:37
FTTPogra:  See it detects my monitor as generic02:37
ograFTTP: nope02:37
ograFTTP: it should detect your monitor right02:37
FTTPogra:  It either should correctly autodect it02:37
FTTPyeah02:37
pedruno, but it is an apt-gettable problem02:37
FTTPthats what im saying02:37
FTTPogra we saying same thing02:37
rebirthwell fook this, im knackered02:37
thoreauputicpedru: yep02:37
rebirthnn folks02:37
ogra<FTTP> it should have a selection for monitor in the install02:38
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FTTPogra it should if the default is not correct02:38
ograi want it automatic ;)02:38
ogracompletely !!!02:38
FTTPogra:  Automatic fine but ability to change monitor in gnome02:38
FTTPcause sometimes it will autodetect it wrong02:38
ograFTTP: includes it02:38
FTTPno it didnt work for me02:38
thoreauputicpedru: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/files/Timer_Script.html  (links at the bottom)02:38
FTTPogra:  It needs something simple like other distros have02:39
pedruk. gotta g0...02:39
pedrubye02:39
FTTPogra ill report it as a bug tho02:39
ograFTTP: yep02:39
FTTPogra should i report those 3 modprobe errors too or no?02:40
FTTPits cosmetic im sure02:40
ograFTTP: its in there a 100 times :)02:40
FTTPoh ok02:40
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FTTPogra:  u sure? ill search for it :)02:40
ograFTTP: go on.... its well known and will dissaoear in the next release in april :)02:41
ogradissappear02:41
farruinnUbuntu recognized my video card better than debian did02:41
FTTPogra ok :)02:41
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FTTPHotplug service always fails for the PCI part when trying to load what seems to02:42
FTTPbe unneeded modules. This is not a stopping bug, as booting follows correctly.02:42
FTTPyah its there :)02:42
acecasedoes anyone know if there is a brightness setting for the "consol" (command line login - without X)?02:42
FTTPogra ill report the monitor problem tho02:42
chazwurthok...this partitioning tool really doesn't like my laptop :)02:43
ogra_dogwalkFTTP: yup, do it02:43
chazwurthI've been fighting with it for half an hour and only just coaxed it into giving me a useable partition table :)02:43
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centurionanyone running ubuntu on a tibook 667mhz?02:43
farruinnno, but I have it running on an oldworld G3 - w00t!02:44
centurionnice02:44
centurion::)02:44
centurionyou likey like?02:44
farruinnyeah, my first attempt didn't work, but it's working beautifully now02:44
nomasteryodafarruinn: maybe i need to fire up my old powerbook 3400c?02:44
nomasteryodai have yellowdog 3.0 on it02:44
centurioncool02:44
nomasteryodai'm sure ubuntu would be faster02:45
billytwowillyanyone running mythfrontend on an xbox? is it possible to run mythfrontend and play the xbox games?02:45
stuNNed_anyone have any luck for a conexant softmodem to work?02:46
billytwowillygah!02:46
billytwowillywrong chan02:46
farruinnI added to the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallOnOldWorldMacs, sorry about the formatting though02:46
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epWhen opening Synaptic, I'm getting this message:02:50
epCould not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)02:50
epAny advice, as I can't see any packages.02:50
jdubep: synaptic must be run with superuser privileges02:50
jdubep: how are you running it?02:50
epI'm just logged in, how do I log into sudo02:51
FTTPokie02:51
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FTTP1 new bug submitted02:51
FTTPalso on the font hinting02:51
FTTPhow can i change this to the REAL hinting02:52
FTTPeven though its against truetypes patent :P02:52
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crackhey thor02:52
FTTPthere was a way to do it for freetype02:52
FTTPanyone remember?02:52
FTTPit was something simple too02:52
epI tried going to root terminal, sudo synaptic, but getting same error02:53
NewComerisn't there a standalone svg viewer? so that once can view svg files and not only get previews in nautilus02:53
NewComers/once/one02:53
jdubNewComer: eog02:54
anihilatorhey guys, i need some help getting my sound working02:54
crackwhat kind of card?02:54
NewComerjdub, lemme try02:54
epAny tips on getting my synaptic to get past this error?02:54
anihilatorensoniq sound blaster audio02:54
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crackthor, can he update his drivers thru apt-get?02:55
cracksomeone?02:55
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acecasesound card modules?02:55
crackyea02:55
acecasei don't think so02:55
epso should it be sudo apt-get02:55
Cube-nessweird.. running same version of ubuntu on 2 computers (hoary tests), on one firefox bails on flash with gdk errors.. the other is fine.. what up with that?02:56
crackok so should he use tar files or rpm?02:56
acecasei would recompile the kernel and get em setup that way02:56
crackmeh02:56
crackhes a newb02:56
acecasecompile in02:56
crackcompiling is tough02:56
epsudo apt-get update renders same error.02:56
epE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)02:56
epE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?02:56
acecase)02:56
NewComerjdub, thanks, but eog seems to deal strangely with svg, zooming in eog gets u a pixelated image02:56
acecasecan you get sound card modules any other way?02:57
crackcant you download the drivers from the site in rpm base or tar base?02:57
jdubNewComer: mm, it renders it first02:57
jdubNewComer: how about inkscape?02:57
acecaseI'm sure its possible but i doubt it02:57
crackthen install thru using the sudo tar xzvf blah blah02:57
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chazwurthacecase: aren't there problems with compiling all of the alsa modules into the kernel? I thought they tended to work better when loaded as modules.02:57
NewComerjdub, inkscape would do it, but i was hoping for just a simple viewer, not a complicated editor.. thx anyway02:58
crackhey anihilator, do u see the sound card in your hardware at all?02:58
acecasechazwurth, i've heard the same thing. it works fine on this pc and on my vdr box but some say its best to use modules02:58
crackmeaning, in your hardware stuff02:58
anihilatoryeah it recognizes it, what's the command to see card specs?02:59
crackok then setup should be fine02:59
crackif it sees it and realizes what it is02:59
crackyou shouldnt have to set it up02:59
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anihilatork02:59
crackturn up the volume?02:59
cracklol02:59
anihilatorheh that's not it02:59
cracki know its a stupid thing to say02:59
crackbut have to ask02:59
crackdo they have power?03:00
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acecasehey that sounds funny but redhat 8 installed for some reason with volume all the way down by default every time03:00
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FTTPmy eyes are blind03:00
anihilatorheh its a legit question03:00
FTTPman........... im in windows now, fonts are so much clearer03:01
anihilatorwhat do ya mean?03:01
FTTPthey ought to enable the truetype hinting03:01
crackif it sees it, then its a volume thing or speaker thing03:01
cracknot a sound card thing i think03:01
FTTPpatents suck03:01
FTTPit causes things like that03:01
veranhrmm03:01
FTTPim against all software patents03:01
veranon my laptop I find the hinting to be much nicer than clear type03:01
FTTPveran:  Im using the regular windows fonts03:02
FTTPon microsoft03:02
VR^hi all, i signed up for an ubuntu CD - will i get a confirmation e-mail for that at all?03:02
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crackanihilator, do they have power?03:02
FTTPand its alot clearer than the fonts on ubuntu03:02
acecasebut FTTP if it wasn't for locking down other peoples ideas then where would Bill gates be?03:02
acecase:)03:02
Rene_SUsing Linux03:02
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acecaselol03:02
crackare the speakers on?03:02
FTTPacecase:  We can enable the hinting03:02
FTTPits simple03:02
anihilatoryes they are03:02
crackk03:02
acecasehinting?03:03
FTTPacecase:  But they should tell you how to :)03:03
anihilatorany sound device gives me an error when i try to use it03:03
FTTPacecase:  The truetype hinting has a patent03:03
FTTPthe freetype is cabable of it03:03
acecaseoic yeah ?03:03
thoreauputiccrack: just a pointer - use tab-complete for nicks - I don't see your messages otherwise if I'm in another channel (they don't highlight)03:03
FTTPerr capable of it03:03
FTTPbut its not enabled by default due to legality issues03:03
cracktab complete?03:03
acecasei have TT enabled03:03
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thoreauputiccrack: so "thor" won't do it03:03
cracklol03:03
crackits k03:03
FTTPacecase how do i enable the hinting?03:03
thoreauputiccrack: thor <tab>03:03
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anihilatorlike tryin to play the radio, it gives me the error: Could not create audio output element; check your settings03:04
FTTPacecase:  I think you have to recompile freetype or something03:04
crackthoreauputic, NICE03:04
crackbetter?03:04
FTTPacecase i prolly can google on it03:04
acecasei did it with webmin so im not sure . its just a font that you need and an entry in XF86config03:04
FTTPacecase i think the freetype hinting is different then03:04
crackhey anihilator, if you go under applications, there is an option for multimedia03:04
FTTPacecase:  Or is it03:05
crackclick that then volume03:05
FTTPill google :P03:05
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crackun mute it03:05
cracklol03:05
crackthoreauputic, is this better?03:05
acecaseoic sorry. never heard of it :)03:05
thoreauputiccrack: yup that worked fine :)03:05
crackthoreauputic, thanks03:05
thoreauputiccrack: I'm using tabs in xchat so they only highlight on my nick03:05
anihilatorcrack, yeah all the volume's are unmuted, sound apps give me errors when i try to use them03:06
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crackah03:06
acecasei don't use X much for myself so I know even less about all that then everything else :)03:06
anihilatorcrack, like tryin to play the radio it says: Could not create audio output element; check your settings03:06
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crackhmm03:06
FTTPacecase:  #define TT_CONFIG_OPTION_BYTECODE_INTERPRETER03:06
crackanihilator, have you tried to manually configure the card?03:06
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acecase:)03:07
FTTPacecase u need to recompile freetype with that03:07
anihilatorcrack, nah03:07
FTTPand copy over the microsoft fonts and ur in business03:07
crackthoreauputic, can you help anihilator, im over my head here03:07
acecaseim stuck using X rite now cause I can see the freakin consol lmbo and can't find anything on it03:07
ograanihilator: on warty ?03:07
anihilatorogra, tryin to get my sound workin03:07
ograanihilator: on warty ?03:07
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acecaseso TrueType isn't what you ment?03:08
ograanihilator: or on hoary ?03:08
FTTPacecase:  i meant font hinting03:08
cracki dont think he knows03:08
anihilatorogra, i dont know what those are03:08
crackogra, he is new03:08
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crackogra, VERY NEW03:08
ograanihilator: is it a default install or did you upgrade to the unstable version ?03:08
cracklol03:08
FTTPacecase:  www.freetype.org03:08
anihilatorlol03:08
anihilatori'm running sarge debian03:09
FTTPacecase:  http://freetype.sourceforge.net/patents.html03:09
ograanihilator: oh03:09
crackogra, the guys over in debian were no help so i asked him to come here, we may be able to help him03:10
ogracrack: try it...03:10
cracktry what?03:10
cracki did03:10
acecasereckon that works with consol fonts? :) j/k03:10
cracki was told that you cant install drivers thru apt-get and it knows what the card is03:10
crackim over my head when it comes to hardware configurations03:11
crackat least right now03:11
crackask me on windows, and im a wiz03:11
crackhey anihilator, it sees it under device manager?03:12
FTTP2009 the patent expires03:12
FTTPwe have to wait :P03:12
crackanihilator, it sees it under device manager?03:12
acecaseubuntu should have a module for his sound card if he knows what it is he can just find what module it uses and modprobe it. if hes somehow lost it or compiled a custom kernel without it then the only way i see getting it back is recompiling the kernel03:12
FTTPin 2009 they can include it free :)03:12
crackhe hasnt compiled a kernel03:12
crackhe is new03:12
crackits a fresh install03:12
ogracrack: ubuntu has a very small footprint, so its easy to help as you have to know just a handfull things....debian is huge.... much harder to support03:13
crackand its giving him errors when he uses the card03:13
thoreauputiccrack: he might not have a "device manager" in Debian03:13
acecaseits not that hard. especialy undet a deb based distro cause you can build a deb that does it all for yah after you config it03:13
crackif its gnome, i thought that it would be the same03:13
ogracrack: see what i mean ?03:13
anihilator=(03:13
ogracrack: ubuntu is tweaked......03:14
crackanihilator, do u have a device manager under computer?03:14
thoreauputiccrack: sarge has a differnet gnome version anyway03:14
crackoh03:14
crackkk03:14
ograanihilator: run gstreamer-properties in a terminal03:14
thoreauputiccrack: that's all Ubuntu specific03:14
crackoh03:14
crackok03:14
crackstill, you guys are brilliant03:14
cracklol03:14
ograheh03:15
anihilatoraight i ran gstreamer03:15
ograanihilator: did you hear a testsound ?03:15
anihilatornope03:15
ograanihilator: tried all sinks ?03:16
thoreauputicanihilator: in a term run :  uname -r and tell us the output03:16
anihilatoronly ones there are alsa and custom03:16
ograanihilator: type esdsink into custom03:16
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anihilator2.6.8-1-k7 i updated the kernel last night03:17
anihilatorfrom 2.403:17
crackah03:17
anihilatorso not positive everything's in order with that...03:17
thoreauputicanihilator: have you run alsaconf  ?03:17
ograanihilator: and : apt-get install gstreamer-esd03:17
cracksee03:18
crackthis is why i love you guys03:18
ograor gstreamer0.6-esd03:18
thoreauputicanihilator: try alsaconf as root03:18
ograor gstreamer0.8-esd03:18
ogradunno which is in debian right now03:18
anihilatorhavent run alsaconf before, doing that now03:19
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ogranight all03:19
thoreauputicnight ogra03:19
thoreauputic:)03:19
ogramdz: have nice holidays03:19
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anihilatoralright, still nothing on the sound. thanks for your help ogra03:20
Rene_SHmm anyone know where Firefox keeps its files for plugins, I thought it was /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins   I am trying to install the java plugin and for some reason it wont show up in the list and I linked it correctly03:21
thoreauputicanihilator: run lsmod | less and see if you have sound drivers loaded03:22
FTTPok im gonna try the upgrade to hoary03:22
FTTPtheres a faq on how to do it right?03:23
anihilatorsnd_ens1371            25252  103:23
FTTPlinux isnt my regular os so unstable is fine :)03:23
anihilatorpretty sure that's the one03:23
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acecaseFTTP theres nothing to it. just change warty to hoary and do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade03:24
dleDoes Ubuntu or Debian have anything like chkconfig for configuring init scripts?03:25
acecasethat is change all the instances of warty in /etc/apt/sources.list to hoary03:25
anihilatorthoreauputic, snd_ens1371            25252  103:25
anihilator   is on the list, pretty sure that's the driver03:25
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thoreauputicanihilator: is there a soundcore driver or similar?03:25
anihilatorthoreauputic, soundcore              10400  1 snd03:26
anihilator  yes03:26
FTTPeveryone was saying how crazy ubuntu was for giving out free unlimited cds..... but then i think about how many aol cds aol mailed out and the # pails in comparison03:26
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acecasei must be the only one on earth with this problem. theres nothing on ebay and noone knows03:26
thoreauputicanihilator: have you tried running alsamixer and unmuting sound there?03:26
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ChildeHello world.03:27
acecaseChilde, hello :)03:27
ChildeI've just tried Ubuntu, but the installer locked when choosing the languages.03:27
ddepiano_lapI've got to say folks, I've been a Mandrake user for years, but I am extremely impressed with Ubuntu03:28
acecasei LOVE ubuntu but I'm going to end up back on gentoo just because i can't see my consol.03:28
ChildeI use a PS/2 keyboard and a PS/2 mouse. Why does the installer lock?03:29
ddepiano_lapacecase: what do you mean you can't see the console?03:29
thoreauputicacecase: sorry, what do you mean?03:29
thoreauputicacecase: ctrl-alt-F* does nothing?03:30
acecasei disabled gdm at boot and so i get a login "prompt" my screen is so dark i can't see it03:30
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ChildeI can input the boot parameters and press enter to start the boot process, but as soon as the installer showed me the "choose languages" dialogue, the keyboard can not input anything.03:30
ChildeHas anybody experienced the same problem?03:31
anihilatorthoreauputic, one of the switches was off there, now i get a different error trying to play sound: "Could not open resource for writing" and "Could not pause playback"03:31
thoreauputicacecase: don't you get a white prompt on a black background?03:31
acecasei have always called it a "consol" for lack of a better term. what i meen is linux without X :) when i start X my brightness is fine but without it its WAY to dark03:31
acecasethoreauputic, i get white text through about half of the boot process but sometime before i get a login prompt it gets real dark03:32
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thoreauputicacecase: :(03:32
acecaseI can just barely make out words if it is totaly dark in here03:32
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acecaseits weird03:32
thoreauputicyes03:32
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acecasei didn't even know that brightness was variable03:33
thoreauputicso login and type startx, use an x terminal once there...03:33
chazwurthhmm. So I've got Ubuntu installed now, and everything is working fantastically well. Except that the gui config tools won't accept my password. Sudo on the command line takes it just fine, but, for example, the gnome network config tool will not.03:33
chazwurthanyone run into this before?03:33
acecasethats what im doing now. just blindly logged in and did sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start03:33
acecasei don't like X though03:33
ChildeAnybody cares my problem? Cry...03:34
acecasei shouldn't say i don't like it. i think its awsome but its useless for this box03:34
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thoreauputicacecase: maybe try sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-data03:35
acecaseok thanks03:35
lifelessacecase: so, you just need to change gdm to not start.03:35
thoreauputiclifeless: no, he did that already03:35
lifelessoh, ok.03:35
acecaselifeless, i did that. i need to get my consol's brightness up03:35
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anihilatorthoreauputic, one of the switches was off in alsamixer, now i get a different error trying to play sound: "Could not open resource for writing" and "Could not pause playback"03:36
lifelesssetterm maybe03:36
lifelessacecase: is it a lcd or crt ?03:36
thoreauputicanihilator: hmm... don't know: you'll need someone who knows more about sound, sorry :(03:36
acecasecrt03:37
acecase17' emachines :)03:37
lifelessyou could try setterm -bold on03:37
anihilatorthoreauputic, alright, thanks for your help03:37
lifelessor setterm -half-bright off03:37
acecasethoreauputic, thanks for the try :) it just offered to change my keymap03:38
acecaselifeless, thanks. so there is a brightness setting?03:38
acecasethats what it seems like because its fine for half the boot process.03:38
lifelessacecase: not really sure, just did a quick google to see if I could fine anything useful.03:39
lifelessone posisiblity is if its in framebuffer mode, or not.03:39
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lifelessbut I'm not really clued up on this..03:39
acecaselol what did you search for? ive googled google to death and didn't find anything :)03:39
thoreauputicanihilator: sorry I couldn't help more - good luck03:39
crackthoreauputic, fix it?03:40
acecasei didn't even think about framebuffer support. lemmy check my kernel .config03:40
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Xtreme___installed ubuntu on a dell latitude d800 laptop, after installation (which went alright), screen goes black when X starts/tries to launch.03:41
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Xtreme___anyone have any idea, of what i can do?03:41
JStrikeAre there any newer Wine packages than 20040615 for Ubuntu?03:42
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jdz`JStrike: Proubaly not in Warty03:44
JStrikeBugger03:46
chazwurthcan someone point me to a document that briefly explains what 'universe' is?03:48
Rene_Swww.nasa.gov/universe/hawking/segan.html03:48
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chazwurthheh03:48
chazwurththanks03:48
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jdz`http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components :P03:49
FTTPok i got the hoardy faq03:49
chazwurthseriously though03:49
thoreauputicchazwurth: and before you ask, the answer is 42 ;)03:49
chazwurthlol03:49
Rene_SUniverse is just files that fall outside the scope of a supported Ubuntu release03:49
FTTPwhich warty do i ned to change to hoardy in the file?03:49
FTTPjust after the deb http:// part?03:49
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chazwurthah, I see03:50
thoreauputicFTTP: just change each instance of "warty" to "hoary"03:50
Rene_SLook at them as files your really prolly need but no one seems to want to include in a distro hehe03:50
FTTPtgoreauputic:  Even the 1st one?03:50
thoreauputicFTTP: ?03:50
FTTPthoreauputic:  The 1st one is Warty with a caps03:50
ubusajnewbie question:  how do i stop/start services using a GUI?03:51
FTTPand would change it to 4.10 being Hoardy03:51
chazwurthI was wondering where a bunch of stuff was, I guess that's the answer :)03:51
FTTPthat doesnt make sense03:51
FTTPor does it?03:51
thoreauputicFTTP: are you editing the file, or using Synaptic?03:51
jdz`chazwurth: *nods*  Yup.  Universe is basicly a snapshot of Debian Sid from a few months ago.  Or something like that :)03:51
Rene_SThere is also Multiverse03:51
FTTPthoreauputic im editing the file before using synaptic03:51
Rene_SMore files, no support03:51
FTTPthats what the faq says03:52
thoreauputicFTTP: Ok - can  you join #flood?03:52
chazwurthand that's basically the equivalent of debian non-free?03:52
FTTPnevermind the warty i looked at has a _03:52
FTTPthoreauputic sure03:52
jdz`chazwurth: *nods*  Exactly.03:52
thoreauputicOK I'm there03:52
thoreauputicFTTP: ^^^03:53
jdz`chazwurth: Refering to Multiverse, I mean.03:53
FTTPok03:53
FTTPim there too03:53
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ubusajis there a channel for newbie help?03:56
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chazwurthwell, I gotta say...this is the easiest-to-set-up, most user-friendly, nicest Linux desktop I've ever seen. props to the Ubuntu developers.03:58
acecasewhats wrong with this.. fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version=.111504.1 kernel_image ? It keeps giveing me error"The changelog says we are creating 2.6.9.110604, but I thought the version is 2.6.9.111504.1"03:59
chazwurthit even got power management and wireless working on my laptop without any intervention on my part, which I find nothing short of incredible.03:59
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hypatia_that's awesome chazwurth!04:03
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chazwurthhypa7ia: I sure think so :)04:03
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ChildeHelp!04:09
Gmailyes04:09
hypa7iawhat's up Childe04:09
ChildeThe Ubuntu installer hangs up when choosing the languages04:09
hypa7iaoooh noes04:09
hypa7iayou prolly just need to boot with apci or something off04:10
jdz`ugh ;(  http://planet.ubuntulinux.org seems to be broken ;(04:10
hypa7iawhat kind of machine my Childe (lol)04:10
ChildeI've tried acpi=off but the problem is still there04:10
hypa7iathere's another one04:10
hypa7ianolapic?04:10
ChildeIt's a SiS mainboard, PS/2 keyboard04:10
ChildeYes. both noapic and nolapic04:10
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ChildeNo USB devices04:11
lifelessdle: works foe me04:11
Gmaildo a md5sum check NOW!04:11
hypa7iadarn, that's all i know to suggest, Childe04:11
hypa7iajdz`: planet's worknig from here (toronto)04:11
ChildeI'm crying04:11
GmailChilde: 50%+ of all problem are becuase people don't do md5sum checks04:11
jdz`hypa7ia: *nods*  The page loads.  However, it seems to be *broken*04:12
ChildeGmail: I've md4 checked it. Thanks04:12
lifelessjdz`: perhaps if you define *broken* a little, we can help.04:12
ChildeSOrry, md504:12
hypa7iajdz`: what part?04:12
GmailChilde: md5check it the whole cd04:12
Gmailagain04:12
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ChildeGmail: OK.04:13
fubarpaHello everyone... :)  Recent Gentoo defector here heh04:13
Gmailanyone want an easy way of install java in firefox http://java.mozdev.org/java_xpis/index.html04:13
jdz`lifeless, hypa7ia: Every single entry is by Tollef Fog Heen, dated November 15th.  All of those are old blog entries.04:13
lifelessI'll bet it tollefs rss04:13
hypa7iadoh.  his rss pwned the planet :-)04:14
jdz`*sigh*  *wanders off to read planet gnome*04:15
mercurushmm ... I'm having some problems with sound ...04:15
lifelessjdub: who runs ou rplanet ?04:15
mercurusit works nicely in Ubuntu, esd receives ALSA and OSS streams and plays them both out simultaneously ...04:15
mercurusI've done everything I can to mirror that in debian ... but I can't get multiple streams happening ... suggestions ?04:15
jdz`fubarpa: Welcome!  I'm also former gentoo :)04:16
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jdublifeless: cron.04:16
lifelesssorry : 'admins'.04:16
fubarpaCool!  I'm not the only one. :)  I got tired of the compiles and borked configurations04:16
jdubi have no access04:16
jdubi just send patches to the sysadmins04:16
lifelessso - thom ?04:16
jdz`mercurus: Multiple streams -- Are you using esd as the output driver?04:17
lifelessoh, ok, you admin-by-puppet ?04:17
mercurusinterestingly, I have no OSS device in gnome mixer under debian ... is that a driver\module specific issue, or a missing package ?04:17
KneelBeforeXorgjdub: pants off04:17
mercurusjdz`, not quite ... ALSA04:17
mercurusie. in Ubuntu ALSA devices loop through esd04:17
jdubindeed.04:17
jdubpants off *and* admin by puppet04:18
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KneelBeforeXorgtherein we learn that it is all good.04:18
FTTPdang04:18
FTTPalmost done with hoardy upgrade04:18
FTTPerr hoary04:18
jdz`mercurus: I wish I knew enough to help you.  From my understanding - unless you have hardware mixing in your soundcard or are using a sound daemon (such as esd) - you can not have mutiple streams at once.04:19
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mercurusjdz`, I am using esd ... but ALSA too ...04:19
jdubmercurus: no, esd talks to alsa via the oss compat interface04:19
jdubmercurus: you will only have an oss mixer interface if you've loaded its kernel module04:20
mercurusjdub: so which driver holds the output device open ? OSS ?04:20
KneelBeforeXorgdirty dirty esd04:20
mercurusjdub: of course ... *goes to load it*04:20
KneelBeforeXorgthere ought to be a law04:20
jdubmercurus: if your output device doesn't support multiple writers, neither oss or alsa kernel drivers can help04:20
mercurusjdub, ah ... the module is loaded ...04:21
jdubmercurus: snd_mixer_oss?04:21
mercurusjdub: yes, using snd_pcm_oss04:21
mercurusand both are used by snd04:22
jdubnot sure why the oss mixer tab wouldn't appear, then04:22
jdubanyway, you can't avoid the locked device problem04:22
jdubyou have to do things differently04:22
mercurusI do have another tab ... that is blank ... to do with the modem ... but I haven't done anything to configure it04:22
jdubsuch as always using esd04:23
mercurusjdub: I'm trying to mirror my fully functional ubuntu config ...04:23
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Gnobodywhat is the module name of the ATi Tv wonder card??04:29
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FTTPholy cow04:30
FTTPhoary fixed my screen issue04:30
FTTPgo figure :)04:30
Gnobodywhat is that?04:30
FTTPim at 85mhz now04:30
FTTPill check my refresh rates to make sure04:31
thoreauputicFTTP: :) yay!04:31
FTTPthoreauputic:  Weird, it raises my refresh to 85mhz04:31
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FTTPi can do over 100 tho04:31
thoreauputicFTTP: it's X.org04:31
mercurusjdub, how would you recommend I set up sound devices to make it functional ..?04:31
Ruffian|JANE|FTTP: my fasted computer is 85MHz04:32
FTTPthoreauputic no wonder :P04:32
stuNNed_FTTP, over 100? whoa :)04:32
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FTTPits a superscan 75304:32
amathisis there not ANY fix for the xmms bug???04:32
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FTTPi think its over 100, not sure actually04:32
stuNNed_so hopefully compiling the hsf linuxant drivers will fix their dying on me04:32
Gnobodywhats the command to find all the modules I have?????04:32
thoreauputicFTTP: new X architecture - sounds like they got something right ;)04:32
alberto_hi there! I'm installing ubuntu and I ran into a problem: I want to avoid installing a boot loader because I already have one, but I don't know exactly how and what to tell grub to do04:32
stuNNed_FTTP, if i could get 100...would be ultra sweet04:32
SkifDoes anybody know of a constraint-solving (or, ideally, -optimizing) program?04:32
FTTPthoreauputic:  Ill check the refresh rates ... ill google :P04:32
Skifer, constraints like optimizing packing of 2d objects in a plane?04:33
Gnobodywhat is the name for the ATi TV Wonder module?04:33
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FTTP100-Hz refresh rate at 1280 by 1024 resolution04:33
FTTPyeah 85mhz is low04:34
FTTPand thats for 1024x768 mind u04:34
stuNNed_FTTP, lol :)04:34
FTTPguess i got it up to 8504:34
FTTPbetter than 75 :P04:34
FTTPill report it as a bug even tho it may not be i dunno04:36
stuNNed_FTTP, think my pc is 1600x1200@75 not sure though04:37
HrdwrBoBer04:37
stuNNed_hiyas HrdwrBoB04:37
HrdwrBoB85Hz os standard04:37
HrdwrBoBis04:37
HrdwrBoB100Hz is high04:37
HrdwrBoB85Hz is generally recognised as good04:37
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, if you could to 100hz would you?04:38
stuNNed_is pretty much everybody in here running HoarytheHedgehog? :D04:40
Gnobodyhas anybody successfully enabled DMA on a SATA using a VIA controller???04:40
GnobodyI am04:40
Gnobodyits not "the"04:40
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Gnobodyjust HoaryHedgehog04:41
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KneelBeforeXorgMichigan J. Frog04:42
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KneelBeforeXorgmaybe distro names should be generated the same way as spammer names04:42
KneelBeforeXorgHorology K. Puckett04:42
stuNNed_Gnobody, sorry, HoaryHedgehog :)04:43
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eclipsehow do u remove "About Ubuntu..." in Applications menu?04:45
HrdwrBoBstuNNed_: more is better.04:45
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stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, can't fathom 100hz, would be nice04:45
stuNNed_HrdwrBoB, i placed an order for cd's to be shipped can i place a 2nd order?04:45
Chibistunned- You should probably wait til the next release :/04:46
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eclipseanyone knows how to remove "About Ubuntu..." in Applications menu?04:47
ChibiCD orders are closed now, aren't they?04:47
stuNNed_Chibi, think they reopened cuz of popular demand04:49
Chibi:o Well, who wouldn't want free linux cd's to throw around the world?04:50
eclipseanyone knows how to remove "About Ubuntu..." in Applications menu?04:50
stuNNed_eclipse, maybe in gconf-editor? not really sure.04:50
eclipsestunned: i'll see if i can do it there...thx04:51
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mojo_Hi every104:53
genhey04:53
mojo_can someone give me a host to upload newest Industrial Steel themes (ripped from NLD9)??04:53
hypa7iamojo_: just space to store them for now?04:54
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hypa7iai'd be glad to put them up for ya04:54
stuNNed_mojo_, are they f/oss?04:54
=== tvon|x31 is curious
FTTPOMG04:55
FTTPhoary is more stable than warty and its only a development release :)04:55
FTTPit already fixed a few bugs i had04:55
hypa7iareally?04:55
hypa7iamaybe i should upgrade....04:55
FTTPfor long term use i dont know04:55
hypa7ia*tempted*04:55
genive had hoary up for 8 days, been fine04:55
tvon|x31it might be more stable on your box but I don't think it generally is04:55
FTTPi only know i had a few bugs04:55
FTTPand hoary corrected em :)04:56
tvon|x31but, I'm generalizing :)04:56
FTTPso far so good04:56
FTTPhypa7ia is linux your main platform?04:56
jdz`FTTP: You make it sound very tempting :)04:56
Ruffian|JANE|how do I enable universe in synaptic?04:56
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FTTPjdz:  Its a development release so im just testing it04:56
FTTPif i find any bugs that are major (possible) ill report em04:56
fubarpaFTTP: I just updated to that tonight04:57
fubarpaso far so good04:57
FTTPyou too :)04:57
hypa7iaFTTP: yup, on my laptop and my desktop and my webserver04:57
FTTPfubarpa:  My refresh rate went up from 75 to 85 but i can do alot higher, someone said it was due to the x.org04:57
hypa7ia2/3 of those are ubuntu04:57
FTTPi dunno04:57
FTTPi reported it as a bug tho since i can do 100+ in windows and other linuxes04:57
FTTPerr not sure about the other linuxes actually04:57
fubarpaI haven't tested XOrg that much...  I've got an ATi card here04:58
FTTPi thought it was but not 100% sure04:58
FTTPfubarpa:  ubuntu has so much potential04:58
FTTPthe stock installer is horrible tho04:58
FTTPand it needs more polish04:58
FTTPthe interface and everything is nice04:59
FTTPits really nice for a 1st release04:59
hypa7iaFTTP: the installer is great, IMHO, just needs a snazzier gui04:59
hypa7ialike, it's super simple04:59
hypa7iajust not pretty enough :-)04:59
fubarpaFTTP: Agreed.  I'm quite happy with my switch from Gentoo04:59
FTTPhypa7ia:  it works under the hood ok04:59
FTTPhypa7ia:  Except for my monitor selection and the like05:00
jdz`So far only my Laptop is Ubuntu, Desktop and Webserver are still Gentoo.  I love Ubuntu though and plan to convert the others instead of upgrading.05:00
stuNNed_FTTP, hypa7ia: i'd rather a fast text installer imho05:02
stuNNed_jdz`, might want to go with stock debian for server...05:03
mojo_stnNNed: not sure OSS or not05:03
mojo_stnNNed: I dun care much OSS or not, I just want new Industrial for my desktop05:04
mojo_htpa7ia: can u up for me?05:04
jdz`stuNNed_: *nods*, Or this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/installation-custom05:04
stuNNed_mojo_, use Industrial theme here as well for pc, Ubuntu's theme for laptop05:04
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mojo_stnNNed: the new theme is 10x better05:04
stuNNed_mojo_, do you not find ubuntu's theme similar to industrial?05:04
stuNNed_mojo_, nice, knowing novell it's probably f/oss'd let's hope05:05
hypa7iamojo_: can you check out the licensing for me first?05:05
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mojo_htpa7ia: is's GNU05:06
mojo_stnNNed: I just up it here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=19255#post1925505:06
stuNNed_mojo_, industrial is the default theme in novell linux desktop 9?05:07
stuNNed_mojo_, thanks!05:07
mojo_htpa7ia: yes05:07
mojo_yes05:07
hypa7iauploading it now mojo_05:08
Gnobodyhow do I change the colour scheme for metacity themes05:09
Gnobody?05:09
Gnobodyie industrial05:09
mojo_Gnobody: go to /usr/share/themes/<Namethemeuwantouse>/metacity-1/metatheme.xml05:10
mojo_edit the xml file there05:10
Gnobodyk05:10
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eclipsehow come when someone sends me a message thru IM, the window doesn't flash?05:12
mojo_htpa7ia: done?05:12
mojo_htpa7ia: done?05:12
tvon|x31mojo_: is that theme different from the normal Industrial theme?05:14
eclipsehow come when someone sends me a message thru IM, the window doesn't flash?05:14
hypa7iamojo_: almost, i have a lot of torrents going :-)05:14
mojo_htpa7ia: yes it is, that's the newest Industrial theme for Novell Linux Desktop05:15
mojo_htpa7ia: it's not released to public yet05:15
eclipsehow come when someone sends me a message thru IM, the window doesn't flash?05:15
hypa7iamojo_: http://hypatia.ca/files/05:16
eclipseman gnome is great but some of the features that i really miss...thinking of switching to kde05:16
VR^if i order a cd today... how long does it take to arrive? approximately.05:16
{Fah-Q}hello. Any opinions on jfs vs xfs?05:16
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crackhey guys05:17
thaytanhi all05:17
mojo_eclipse: GNOME is growing slower than KDE but it will catch up soon05:17
cracki cant hear any music off of xmms05:17
tvon|x31GNOME is largely growing in a different direction05:17
mojo_eclipse: the point is GTK is not commercial tool orginally like Qt05:17
tvon|x31eclipse: IM windows don't flash in gnome05:17
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mojo_eclipse: there is a plugin for it think05:17
eclipsetvon|x31. nope05:17
eclipseit sux05:18
FTTPtrinitroglyceren05:18
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FTTPPOOF05:18
crackthoreauputic, i cant hear anything out of xmms05:18
thaytancrack: which output is it using? alsa or oss05:18
thaytan?05:18
FTTPi thought this was a home distro05:18
crackum05:18
cracknot sure05:18
FTTPthe screensavers are geeky :)05:18
eclipsewhen i'm browsing the web and someone sends me a message i don't even know it05:18
crackhow do i tell?05:18
thaytancrack: any errors?05:18
FTTPit was showing molecules05:18
crackno errors05:18
crackjust no sound05:18
crackits weird05:18
tvon|x31eclipse: I know nothing about Gaim, but in Gossip it plays a sound when you get a new IM05:18
Xtreme___whats that command to add root user, i cant login to gnome/x as root, but i can "su" because i already set root password... some obscure command along the lines of gdeconfig or seomthiung liek that, anyone remember ?05:19
tvon|x31and a * appears in the titlebar of the chat window (eg, it shows up in the panel)05:19
cracki got it05:19
thoreauputicFTTP: well, you have a wide choice - just run xscreensaver-demo from a terminal to see..05:19
tvon|x31if its a new conversation, an icon flashes in the notification area05:19
crackthaytan, i got it bud05:19
mojo_eclipse: go to Desktop Pref > Sounds05:19
crackthanks05:19
{Fah-Q}thoreauputic: indeed.05:19
crackstupid me05:19
tvon|x31eclipse: I believe Gaim has a plugin or setting that will cause an icon to flash in the notification area when you get a new IM05:19
eclipsetvon|x31, yes it does play sound but no flashing when someone sends a message:(05:19
crackthoreauputic, i figured out the way to add songs from my winxp disk05:19
mojo_htpa7ia: thank05:19
mojo_htpa7ia: thankx05:19
thaytancrack: what was it?05:20
crackthe song05:20
cracklol05:20
hypa7iaglad to help mojo_05:20
eclipsetvon|x31, see if u could find one05:20
crackwhat an idiot05:20
thaytancrack: heh05:20
crackthanks thay05:20
hypa7iai'll leave it there till the deb comes out, would you mind sending me a memo if it does?05:20
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thoreauputiceclipse: well, choose another IM client then, if you don't like it - have a search in synaptic05:20
eclipsehow i think i'm switching to kde cause it has way more features and a lot more stable than gnome05:21
crackdoes anyone know how to add skins to xmms and to gnome?05:21
eclipseoops, typo:)05:21
thaytanI'm seeing some weirdness in x.org since an upgrade last night05:21
thoreauputiceclipse: whatever you prefer :)05:21
thaytanreally jerky cpu usage, and random pauses of the mouse and video output05:21
eclipsethoreauputic, can u install kde in ubuntu?05:22
eclipsecause when i apt-get install kde it doesn't work05:22
thaytananyone else seen similar? radeon (9000M) hardware05:22
thoreauputiceclipse: yes, just add the repos in synaptic (universe I expect)05:22
tvon|x31thaytan: do you have composite enabled?05:22
thaytantvon|x31: nope05:23
tvon|x31ah05:23
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eclipsei did that already05:23
crackwhats the command for screenshot?05:23
thaytanrunning an strace it's constantly running select on its file handles and getting back 'ERESTARTNOHAND'05:23
thoreauputiceclipse: try sudo apt-get install kde-core and build from there, then05:23
eclipseit says that kdea-addons and kde-utils r broken or something05:23
tvon|x31crack: "import -window root somefile.png" is one05:23
eclipseok, let me try that05:24
crackeclipse, kde works just open up all of your repositories and do sudo apt-install kde05:24
thoreauputictvon|x31: assuming you have the imagemagick suite installed05:24
crackactually05:24
tvon|x31thoreauputic: yes05:24
crackthe exact cmd is sudo apt-get install kde05:25
hypa7iamojo_:i'll leave it there till the deb comes out, would you mind sending me a memo if it does?05:25
eclipsecrack i typed apt-get install kde-core and now it's downloading tons of file so i guess it's working05:25
fubarpaI'm using KDE here without a problem05:26
crackcore?05:26
Gnobodydoes anybody have beagle???05:26
crackweird05:26
eclipseby the way, thoreauputic, thnx for showing me that05:26
cracki just did it last night and just used kde05:26
cracki just had to open up my repositories05:26
crackto all05:26
thoreauputiccrack: no, not weird - just that kde-core is a subset of kde05:26
eclipsecrack, so kde is much more stable right?05:26
cracktvon|x31, i did that now where is it?05:26
crackwell05:26
crackkde is just as stable05:26
crackjust has a better looking gui for people05:27
crackand it tends to hog more mem05:27
crackthats all05:27
genlike crack would know, he doesn't even know how to install it.05:27
eclipsei know05:27
crackexcuse me gen?05:27
cracki spent hours last night learning05:27
eclipsethat's the only reason i don't like kde05:27
Gwildorfighjt fight fight05:27
crackhours05:27
tvon|x31crack: wherever you ran the command is where the image would be05:27
crackkk05:27
Xtreme___(it ended up being #gdmconfig, btw)05:27
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tvon|x31crack: if you are using gnome you should be able to just hit 'print screen' for a screenie btw05:28
crackgen, so i would appreciate it if you kept your opinion on my knowledge to yourself05:28
genfuck off05:28
tvon|x31though mine has been broken in ubuntu05:28
crackwow05:28
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eclipsei've used kde for a while now so i feel it has way more features than gnome05:28
thoreauputiccragen,crack,  elsewhere please05:28
cracki didnt do anything05:28
crackanyways05:28
Gwildorif i install kde, then decide i dont want it, is ther a fast/easy way to remove all of the K stuff?05:29
thoreauputicsoory I meant gen05:29
crackyes05:29
crackwhen you sign in, click session05:29
crackthen change the window manager05:29
crackto whatever you want05:29
Gwildorcrack, read the post05:29
tvon|x31crack: that changes what gets used, it does not "remove" anything05:29
eclipseGwildor, i think just log in with gnome or w/out DM and apt-get remove kde05:29
crackno05:29
tvon|x31Gwildor: Not really05:29
crackyou dont want to remove it05:29
Gwildorcrack, REMOVE all of the K stuff05:29
crackwhy?05:30
crackwhat if i want to use it later05:30
crackfor a diff flavor?05:30
Gwildortvon|x31, thats what i thought, kde, then all of the K stuff manually05:30
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Gwildorcrack, stop05:30
{Fah-Q}ubuntu uses the new debian installer right?05:30
eclipsehey i just got this message:05:30
eclipseErrors were encountered while processing:05:30
eclipse /var/cache/apt/archives/kcontrol_4%3a3.2.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb05:30
tvon|x31Gwildor: pretty much, yeah.  You should record what it pulls down though when you install it05:30
thoreauputic{Fah-Q}: yes05:30
eclipsewhat should i do now?05:30
tvon|x31Gwildor: eg, "apt-get install -uV kde > kdestuff.txt" if you follow me05:30
{Fah-Q}'k, thanks05:30
tvon|x31er, the -V is excessive05:31
crackwhy should i stop?05:31
{Fah-Q}had to pass a bunch of boot args to get it to install.05:31
Gwildortvon|x31, im just not gonna install it, i dont really like it, but i figured id give it another shot, but i dont want all that extra K stuff lying around05:31
eclipsecan someone help me?05:31
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Gwildoreclipse, ask away05:32
thoreauputiceclipse: sounds like you don't have a full set of repositories05:32
crackmeh05:32
tvon|x31Gwildor: Yeah, I tried it on a box for kicks and wound up wishing I hadnt05:32
eclipseso what should i do?05:32
Gwildoreclipse, sorry, didnt know it was old question05:32
thoreauputiceclipse: doesn't do any harm to enable multiverse and universe05:32
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tvon|x31Alright, I need to get to 7-11 before it closes05:32
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Gwildortvon|x31, where are you at 7-11 here is 24/705:33
eclipseok i'll try that now05:33
{Fah-Q}universe is a snapshot of sid, right?05:33
tvon|x31Gwildor: I'm in Baltimore MD, 2 blocks away from the ONLY non-24-hour 7-11 I've EVER heard of05:33
tvon|x31Gwildor: its very annoying :)05:33
Gwildortvon|x31, rofl, that sucks05:33
jdz`{Fah-Q}: Yes05:33
thoreauputic{Fah-Q}: IIRC it's a snapshot of sid from a while back, essentially, yeah05:33
tvon|x31Gwildor: its a big tease05:33
fubarpaa 7-11 that closes... isn't that a sign of the apocolypse?05:33
tvon|x31Alright, I'm out05:34
Gwildortvon|x31, laters05:34
{Fah-Q}thoreauputic: good. Then I wont have to build clisp myself :)05:34
eclipseit says i have 2 broken packages05:34
tvon|x31Gwildor: later, good luck05:34
eclipseThe following packages have unmet dependencies:05:35
eclipse  kdebase: Depends: kcontrol (>= 4:3.2.2-1ubuntu2) but it is not installable05:35
eclipse  konqueror: Depends: kcontrol but it is not installable05:35
thoreauputiceclipse: have you read the synaptic howto on the wiki? have you read the FAQ?05:35
eclipsesee, i guess i can't install kde in my system05:36
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thoreauputiceclipse: you are missing stuff05:36
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thoreauputiceclipse: others have had no problem installing kde05:36
eclipsebut it won't let me install kcontrol05:36
hacked``guys05:36
fubarpaeclipse: I installed KDE without an issue05:36
eclipselet me try again05:37
hacked``i just installed ubuntu, and it didnt detect my wireless card (cisco aironet) what am i supposed to do now?05:37
thoreauputiceclipse: because it can't find what it's looking for to resolve the dependencies05:37
hacked``does that mean im screwed guys05:37
HrdwrBoByes05:37
kalle_hacked: install windows05:37
HrdwrBoB... actually no :)05:37
kalle_:)05:37
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HrdwrBoBhacked``: we can help you05:37
eclipsefubarpa, how did u do it?05:37
eclipsefubarpa, can u tell me the command that u typed?05:38
hacked``kalle, i dont use windows05:38
kalle_im kidding05:38
hacked``HrdweBob, problem is, i dont think cisco has a driver out for 2.6.905:38
kalle_modprobe the aironet module05:38
HrdwrBoBhacked``: um as far as I'm aware it's open source?05:39
kalle_then iwpriw list05:39
thoreauputiceclipse: the command is not the problem: your configuration of repositories is foobared somehow05:39
thoreauputicthat05:39
thoreauputicoops05:39
thoreauputiceclipse: that's why I suggested you read the stuff on the ubuntu site05:39
hacked``HrdwrBob, gonna try to locate the driver05:39
eclipsethoreauputic, can u send me ur rep. file?05:40
Gnobodyhow do I round the edges of the gnome panel???05:40
HrdwrBoBwith 'file'05:40
HrdwrBoBho ho05:40
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thoreauputiceclipse: pointless because mine is totally different and designed for debian sarge05:40
fubarpaeclipse: uncomment the Universe repository, then apt-get install kde05:40
eclipseok05:41
kalle_i cant get my airport running in mac-on-linux05:41
kalle_:(05:41
eclipsei'll do that now05:41
eclipsethanx fubarpa05:41
Majestic|Linuxwhy ubuntu doesnt include programs like knppix does or mandrake and stuff?05:41
Majestic|Linuxits so small05:42
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eclipsefubarpa, after that what is the command to install kde?05:42
thoreauputicMajestic|Linux: erm... that's the beauty of apt-get and synaptic05:42
fubarpaapt-get install kde should install everything for you05:42
Gwildorsudo apt-get install kde05:42
eclipseok05:42
fubarpaerr yeah, forgot the sudo heh05:42
Gwildor:)05:43
Majestic|LinuxHow do you work with synaptic? isnt it better to include them :)05:43
Majestic|Linuxanyone here running a slower pc than me because my ubuntu is slow celeron 634mhz 256mb sdram05:44
fubarpaquick question for someone: Where can I copy fonts from my Windows partition so that Ubuntu will pic them up05:44
thoreauputicMajestic|Linux: well, it's an automatic download and install system05:44
eclipsefubarpa, r u running warty or hoary?05:44
fubarpahoary05:44
eclipseok05:45
eclipseok here's the output05:46
eclipsePackage kde is not available, but is referred to by another package.05:46
eclipseThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or05:46
eclipseis only available from another source05:46
eclipseE: Package kde has no installation candidate05:46
fubarpaoh yeah05:46
Gwildoreclipse, what kinda compy you got05:46
fubarpasudo apt-get update05:46
Gwildorppc, 64 bit?05:46
HrdwrBoBcompy 38605:46
eclipseamd05:46
eclipsenah, it's amd athlon xp05:46
fubarpaeclipse: after you enable the universe repository, you need to do a sudo apt-get update05:46
Gwildorfubarpa, ahh, forgot to update05:47
Gwildorfubarpa, silly us05:47
eclipsefurbarpa, i thought u said to disable universe05:47
fubarpaGwildor: yeah, I forgot that the first time around when I went to install05:47
fubarpaeclipse: no, you need ot enable it05:47
Majestic|LinuxUbuntu is for fast computers right05:47
eclipseok05:48
GwildorMajestic|Linux, twil run on slower, but if it is tankish, go with xfce4, or fluxbox, instead of gnome05:48
fubarpaNow comes the fun part...  Ubuntu's going on my laptop heh05:49
hacked``guys, how can i view .wmv files embedded in web pages05:49
Majestic|LinuxI run KDE on Yoper, Libranet, Mepis, Knoppix and is fast. I run gnome on them too is fast, I run any window manager is fast, yea Fluxbox is fast on Ubuntu, but KDE and Gnome are slow =\05:51
eclipsedpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kcontrol_4%3a3.2.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack):05:51
eclipse trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/fileshareset', which is also in package kdelibs-bin05:51
eclipsedpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)05:51
eclipseErrors were encountered while processing:05:51
eclipse /var/cache/apt/archives/kcontrol_4%3a3.2.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb05:51
eclipseE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)05:51
eclipsethis is messed up man05:51
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fubarpaeclipse: yeah, that is kinda odd05:51
eclipseu know what i'm gonna delete the cache dir05:52
thoreauputiceclipse: I have no idea what you've done, but it looks terminal05:52
eclipsemaybe something is wrong with the cache05:52
fubarpaMajestic|Linux: I've run KDE on Gentoo, Mandrake and Fedora Core.  I can't really see a difference here :)05:52
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eclipseis it save to delete /var/cache?05:53
Majestic|Linuxhow fast is your pc05:53
hacked``1.6ghz05:53
thoreauputiceclipse: NO05:53
eclipseno?05:53
Majestic|Linuxnot you hacked05:53
eclipsejust cache dir, not var05:54
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Majestic|Linuxmines a celeron 634mhz (linux box) , athlon xp-m 2800+ for xp since im a newbie in linux05:54
fubarpaMajestic|Linux: I've got an AthlonXP 2000+ box05:54
Majestic|Linuxexactly05:54
Majestic|Linuxis fast for you05:54
Majestic|Linuxbut im talking for slow pc05:54
Majestic|Linuxubuntu aint good05:54
thoreauputiceclipse: look, if you delete apt's cache you will toally break the system05:54
hacked``sorry, got cut off guys, how can i view embedded .wmv's ?05:54
HrdwrBoBMajestic|Linux: it should be fine05:54
Majestic|Linuxhmm05:55
Majestic|Linuxthanks brb05:55
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genwhats the difference between apt-get upgrade, and apt-get dist-upgrade05:55
thoreauputiceclipse: it has files that are crucial05:55
eclipsei see05:55
thaytangen: upgrade will not install new packages, it will only upgrade what it can05:55
thaytandist-upgrade will drag in new packages if needed to satisfy a dependency05:55
genthaytan: thanks05:55
eclipsehow come xchat in gnome doesn't flash when someone types my name when i'm using a different window?05:56
thoreauputiceclipse: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html for info on apt05:56
eclipsei know it flashes in Win and KDE05:56
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billytwowillycan anyone recommend some good answering machine software? web based would be better05:56
eclipsethnx thoreauputic for the info05:57
ficusplanetIs there a deb I can install to get imap support in PHP?05:57
genbe back in a sec05:57
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Rotundquestion... Why isn't the gnome-system-tools services portion in ubuntu?  Is there another way to modify what starts up?05:58
hacked``guys05:59
hacked``the cisco driver for my wireless card says it works for 2.4.xx, but i have 2.6.xx kernel, will it run at all?05:59
hacked``i have cisco aironet05:59
smit 2.4 supported it, 2.6 probably will too06:01
thoreauputicRotund: have you tried apt-cache search gnome-system-tools ? and you have all apt repositories enabled?06:01
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Rotundit says it'll install it in the description, but the package didn't actually include it06:03
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f00fhello :)06:04
Rotundonly time, users, and network06:04
f00fwhat kernel version for 4.10?06:04
Rotund2.6.8.106:05
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FTTPbah06:05
FTTPevolution 2.0 doesnt work in hoary06:05
FTTPi didnt notice that till now06:05
FTTP<grin>06:05
genfttp: works for me06:05
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FTTPgen:  It says failed to execute child process06:06
eclipsedamn...gnome just crashed on me06:06
genvery odd06:06
gen2.1.0?06:06
FTTPgen:  its the icon on the top which is bad06:06
f00f2.6 hopefully06:06
f00f:)06:06
FTTPgen:  It works from regular manu bar06:06
Gmailit also doesn't work for me06:06
FTTPweird06:06
genfttp: yea that happens often06:06
FTTPgen:  Ill report it as bug06:06
gengood idea06:07
eclipsehow come when gnome crashed on me, my xmms was still playing streaming audio?06:07
Gmailit works for me06:07
Gmailsorry06:07
f00fhmm06:07
Gmaili needed to change the link in /usr/bin06:07
eclipsebut i couldn't move the mouse or do alt-contrl-f106:07
gensounds like a hardware issue06:08
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eclipsemaybe it's not compatible with my cpu or motherboard06:08
thoreauputiceclipse: that wasn't gnome, that was something freezing the X server06:08
eclipsesure?06:08
thoreauputicsounds like an X crash or some app chewing all the resources06:09
eclipsemaybe i had RenderAccel "on" in XF86Config-4 file?06:09
eclipsebut it was running fine for like a few hours06:10
George^Dekadoes anyone know where ubuntu installs gnome ?06:10
f00fhmm06:10
f00fslow server06:10
f00f:)06:10
thoreauputicGeorge^Deka: gnome isn't in one place - it's a set of things in a lot of differnet places :)06:11
thoreauputic*different06:11
George^Dekathoreauputic: but what is its prefix ? /usr ?06:12
FTTPubuntu has some rough edges06:12
f00fhmm.. does this distro have net install?06:12
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George^Dekaf00f: i think there is a way, check the wiki in the howto section06:13
FTTPfor 1st release, its basically a debian with gnome and nice desktop/splashscreens06:13
thoreauputicGeorge^Deka: if you mean the command executed to start gnome, it's /usr/bin/gnome-session06:13
eclipsehonestly, my windows server 2003 is wicked stable it never crashed on me since i installed it like over a year ago06:13
George^Dekathoreauputic: thanks, think that means prefix is /usr06:13
Rob|Linuxsu: Authentication failure06:13
Rob|LinuxSorry.06:13
Rob|Linuxmajestic@ubuntu:~ $06:13
Rob|LinuxI'm getting that error06:13
Rob|Linuxafter I go into console type su, my password06:14
Rob|Linuxand I went into kpackage too and tried to update and error06:14
jdz`Rob|Linux: Don't use "su" -- use "sudo"06:14
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jdz`Rob|Linux: Ubuntu has the Root account disabled by default06:14
Rob|Linuxsudo then what?06:14
Rob|Linuxoh wow06:14
Rob|Linuxi use to do it fine06:14
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f00f0.006:14
Rob|Linuxearlier06:14
Rob|LinuxI was fine earlier =\06:15
jdz`Eh..06:15
f00fhehe.. tonight M$ gets kicked out of my house totally06:15
FTTPdoh06:15
FTTPicon is mispointed06:15
albertitoHi! I've just installed Ubuntu and I've got one quick question: how do I add a new language so I can login with it?06:15
f00fmy mum is switching to ubuntu06:15
FTTPthe filename is evolution 2.206:15
f00f:D06:15
jdz`Just type "sudo" then te command you want to use.06:15
FTTPi just redirected the icon06:15
FTTPand now it works06:15
FTTPgonna update bug06:15
Rotundis there a packages.debian.org for ubuntu?06:16
jdz`Rotund: No, not yet at least.06:16
Rotundthey need one06:16
FTTPevolution is so awesome06:16
FTTPevolution is better than outlook express06:16
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FTTPits better than outlook PERIOD :)06:16
jdz`Rotund: Ubuntu-Universe is a snapshot of Debian-Sid from a few months ago, so it should have all the same packages.06:16
Rob|Linuxusage: sudo -V | -h | -L | -l | -v | -k | -K | [-H]  [-P]  [-S]  [-b]  [-p prompt] 06:16
Rob|Linux            [-u username/#uid]  -s | <command>06:16
f00fits better06:16
f00f:)06:16
hacked``guys, is there any way i can downgrade my kernel from 2.6.9 to 2.4.xx06:17
FTTPjdz:  Is ubuntu based on 100% debian code?06:17
f00fi still use ol text based pine06:17
FTTPjdz:  I mean did they add any of their own code?06:17
FTTPjdz:  other than the splashscreens06:17
jdz`FTTP: No, they have added some of their own.06:17
FTTPjdz such as?06:18
jdz`FTTP: For example, Debian-Sarge and Ubuntu-Warty were frozen at about the same time.  Warty have gnome 2.8, while Sarge has 2.606:18
f00f:D06:18
FTTPjdz: no i mean other than newer apps06:18
FTTPjdz:  I mean like original code06:19
FTTPnot apps06:19
jdz`FTTP: Whole new applications?  No, I do not believe so.06:19
Rotundcould someone w/ hoary tell me what the /usr/bin programs are on its version of gnome-system-tools06:19
hacked``guys, is there a download site where i can download the install cd for ubuntu 2.4.x06:19
jdz`FTTP: Besides, I believe if Ubuntu developed anything new, it would be commited upstream to Debian too06:19
FTTPjdz:  So its really just newer packages with splashscreens?  or are the splashscreens other than the logos the same in debian?06:19
FTTPjdz:  I never tried debian so i dont know06:20
jdz`FTTP: A lot of things are modified in Ubuntu.  But it's all based on Debian.06:20
FTTPjdz right, what did they modify?06:20
jdz`FTTP: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship06:21
BrittBSso i no longer have /dev/dsp on my desktop ... any ideas?06:21
thoreauputicFTTP: Debian splashscreens? Heh -  I think Debianistas would turn up their noses at splash screens, by and large :)06:21
jdz`FTTP: I'm no expert here.  I believe the Ubuntu website (see the above link) will explain better.06:21
thaytanBrittBS: oss modules are not loaded06:21
thaytanyou should have /dev/snd/pcm* instead, from ALSA06:21
hacked``guys, is there a download site where i can download the install cd for ubuntu 2.4.x06:22
FTTPthoreauputic ok so thats a ubuntu thing06:22
FTTPtheres 1 :P06:22
jdz`hacked``: Have you apt-cache searched for a 2.4 kernel?06:22
jdz`hacked``: Be warned though that a 2.4 kernel will break some things, for example, udev06:23
thoreauputicFTTP: if jdub was around he would know - he's here but I haven't seen him say anything for a while...06:23
RotundA friend of mine is using a PRISM2 card.  It ends up being autodetected in the startup.  It even works a couple times after that.  The issue is that it stops working after a couple reboots!06:23
thoreauputicFTTP: he might be AFK06:23
Rotundany ideas?06:23
thaytanthoreauputic: I think his fiance slaughtered him for his last blog entry ;)06:23
mdzhacked``: there is no Ubuntu 2.4.x, only Ubuntu 4.1006:24
thoreauputicthaytan: heh... link?? ;)06:24
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jdz`mdz: I believe he means a 2.4 kernel for Ubuntu06:24
thaytanthoreauputic: http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/blog/2004/11/12/06:24
thoreauputicthaytan: thanks :)06:25
mdzin that case, there are unsupported packages in universe06:25
mdzwhich deserve a more forceful caveat than universe typically does06:25
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thoreauputicthaytan: Oh dear....06:26
thoreauputicthaytan: oops,  ;)06:26
hacked``guys06:27
hacked``i meant ubuntu with 2.4 kernel06:27
hacked``is it possible or not06:27
jdz`planet.ubuntu.org seems to be broken:  it's only showing Tollef Fog Heen's entries, and they are all dated for november 15th.06:27
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jdz`hacked``: it may be possible, however, is unsuported and things will break (such as udev).  only try it if your adventerous.06:28
HrdwrBoBor06:28
HrdwrBoBif you're adventurous06:28
jdz`pardon me :)06:28
FTTPjdz the yellow stars in about ubuntu has to do06:28
Ruffian|Q|hey all06:28
Ruffian|Q|hi Bob206:28
FTTPall the icons are nice except that one06:28
FTTPerr i mean go, not do :P06:29
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jdz`FTTP: *laughs*  You could make another icon and sugest it on the mailing-list :)06:29
Rob|Linuxwhy when I'm in gnome, and i go to root terminal everything is fine, and why earlier i was doing su, pass and now i cant?06:30
Rob|Linuxsudo doesnt work06:30
Ruffian|Q|hi Rob|Linux06:30
Rob|LinuxHi06:30
FTTPjdz:  the yellow is hard on the eyes06:30
FTTPjdz:  It needs something softer :)06:30
Ruffian|Q|Rob|Linux type Sudo, then the password of the user you are currently on06:30
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thoreauputicRob|Linux: have you messed with changing your user or something similar?06:30
jdz`Rob|Linux: You should learn how to use sudo. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo06:31
Rob|Linuxno i havent06:31
FTTPjdz:  Wow, they used stars for many of the about icons :P06:32
FTTPheh06:32
Rob|Linuxi typed sudo my password and i dont see root06:33
thoreauputicRob|Linux: you added a root user, or not? There isn't one by default, so I can't imagine how su could work without some modification on your part?06:33
Rob|Linuxno i didnt06:33
jdz`Rob|Linux: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo --- Read that. *grins*06:33
Rob|Linuxwhen i first installed ubuntu earlier it worked not now though06:33
Rob|LinuxRuffian, check libra06:33
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Llamabutcherhey guys, can ubuntu read ntfs ?06:34
jdz`FTTP: I never realy noticed the stars much. Interesting :)06:34
Rob|Linuxsudo -s06:35
Rob|Linuxthats the thing there06:35
jdz`Llamabutcher: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions06:35
FTTPjdz doesnt it look out of place tho?06:37
FTTPjdz:  All the other icons are really nice06:38
Llamabutcherjdz, whats with that step 4 on that guide?06:38
FTTPjdz:  I cant find any REAL BUGS yet :)06:38
FTTPand thats a good thing06:38
FTTPno crashes or anything06:38
FTTPim fooling around with everything06:38
FTTPthe help section is messed up but thats not a real bug06:38
jdz`FTTP: *grins*  I still think you should try and make a new icon and submit it if you don't like this on :)06:38
jdz`FTTP: Might be a good way to contribute.06:39
FTTPjdz i stink at icons06:39
FTTPi dont know what would be good there, just know the yellow is too bright :)06:39
jdz`Llamabutcher: Fstab is a file located at `/etc/fstab'06:40
FTTPjdz ok06:41
jdz`Llamabutcher: You'll want to edit it like this: `sudo <editor> /etc/fstab', where <editor> is your favorite text editor :)06:41
FTTPjdz:  Im looking for REAL BUGS06:41
FTTPcant find any :)06:41
jdz`FTTP: thats a Good Thing :)06:41
FTTPeven other linux distros have crashed on me and they were final releases06:41
FTTPthis is hordy06:41
FTTPor whatever its called06:41
FTTPand is only development06:42
FTTPamazing :)06:42
FTTPim really impressed actually06:42
jdz`Me too :)  I'm very happy with Ubuntu06:42
FTTPjdz i guess the yellow icon is a gnome thing06:42
FTTPi reported it as a trivial bug tho heh06:43
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Llamabutcherjdz, i know how to edit stuff, im saying the actual line i have to type, im not understanding what it is saying on the guide06:45
Llamabutcherer wait, nm06:46
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jdz`Llamabutcher: Ok. :)06:46
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Llamabutcherjdz, do i have to reboot?06:48
joejiang_hello, anyone know how to disable serial port to make iobase conflict with irda resolved?06:48
Llamabutcheri added /dev/hdc1 /mnt/winxp ntfs defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 006:49
jdz`Llamabutcher: I don't believe so, simply logging out and back in should do it. :)06:49
Llamabutcherdoes that look right?06:49
jdz`Llamabutcher: Is your windows drive /dev/hdc1?06:49
Lathiatjoejiang_: apt-get install setserial; setserial /dev/ttyS1 uart none06:49
Lathiatjoejiang_: assuming its ttyS106:49
jdz`Llamabutcher: That would be the 3rd IDE drive, 1st partition06:49
joejiang_thanks, let me try06:50
joejiang_dpkg-reconfigure works with setserial?06:51
Llamabutcheri have it on my secondary as master, 2nd partition on that drive06:51
Llamabutcheroh wait, taht would be hdc206:52
Llamabutchermy bad06:52
jdz`Llamabutcher: Log out and back in then, and give it a try :)06:52
Llamabutchercool06:53
Llamabutcherthx06:53
jdz`Llamabutcher: good luck! :)06:53
Tomcat_This channel is nuts.06:53
joejiang_thanks, only want to know i have set serial disable in thinkpad BIOS, while it do make it on06:53
joejiang_that's strange matter06:53
Tomcat_No matter what time I come in, there's at least 3 people talking and more than 1 screen per 10 minutes of text :)06:53
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idgeI am new to IRC....06:55
jdz`idge: Welcome! :)06:55
idgehello!06:55
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idgeI have used ICQ and Y! and the like06:56
idgebut never IRC06:56
idgewhat am i doing here?06:56
pepsitalking06:56
thoreauputicidge: we all ask that question... ;)06:56
idgehaha06:56
idgewell....i was looking for help with my computer06:57
idgewhenever i try to set the res to 1024X76806:57
idgethe scren kinda flickers whenever i move the mouse06:57
idgeany ideas?06:57
idgei tried the "xresprobe" thing....to no avail06:58
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thoreauputicidge: maybe a bit more detail, like what video card, what sort of machine, how much video memory, has this happened before...06:59
idgeoh sorry..well...i know this card will support 1024x768 because it did it in Win 200007:00
idgethis card is old....but it should do 1024x76807:01
joejiang_maybe it's frequency07:01
idgethat is what i thought07:01
thoreauputic"kinda flickers" doesn't tell us much, though... although as a technical term it's one of the better ones *grin*07:01
joejiang_such as 80HZ07:01
idgebut it will not allow me to change to anything other than 6007:01
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thoreauputicah07:01
thoreauputicidge: are you comfortable on the command line?07:02
idgewell....i can set the res to 1024x768....and it looks good...until i move the mouse...then slight horizontal lines appear as the mouse moves07:02
idgecmd line....sure!07:02
thoreauputicidge: you could try :  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree8607:03
genwhats a command line :)07:03
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gen:)07:03
idgeah....07:03
thoreauputic:)07:03
idgewhat is sudo?07:03
thoreauputicsudo gives you administration rights (like root)07:04
idgeah07:04
idgehow does one access sudo07:04
genyou type it..07:04
idgei can bring up the root terminal :)07:04
Pyguysudo command07:04
thoreauputicjust type the command07:04
idgeoh ok07:04
thoreauputicit will ask you for your password07:05
thoreauputicsudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree8607:05
PyguyJust use your password, root doesn't seem to have one07:05
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Llamabutcherhey guys, i tried to edit my /etc/apt/sources.list and i cant download anything now from apt-get07:06
PyguyHave you updated?07:06
thoreauputicLlamabutcher: run sudo apt-get update07:06
Llamabutcherthoreauputic, i cant becuase my sourceslist is all fucked up07:07
Llamabutcheri deleted all of it07:07
genhaha07:07
Llamabutcheri need to copy paste exactly what should be in there07:07
thoreauputicLlamabutcher: hmm07:07
Llamabutchercan i do that w/out installing ubuntu again?07:08
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thoreauputicLlamabutcher: sure - maybe someone can send you their /etc/apt/sources.list07:08
Llamabutchercould you send me yours? in a pm?07:08
Llamabutcheror email or something07:08
genmost of ours aren't default07:08
thoreauputicLlamabutcher: I can't because I'm on debian sarge currently07:09
thoreauputicLlamabutcher: mine has other stuff in it07:09
Llamabutcherhrm07:09
PyguyIs there any way to disable Natulis in spatial mode?07:10
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thoreauputicLlamabutcher: it's too late now, but next time you edit a file, make a back up copy07:11
PyguyNvm, I think I may have found something on Google07:11
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TonyWhow to auto identify?07:11
thoreauputicTonyW: auto identify for what??07:13
socommTonyW: what client are you using?07:13
TonyWi dunno it said to autoidentiy...07:14
TonyWwhats a client?07:14
thoreauputicTonyW: what IRC program are you running?07:14
TonyWummm called, X-Chat?07:14
socommTonyW: a program that is used to communicate with servers.07:14
TonyWya X-Chat07:15
Chibitheoreauputic- ever thought of versioning him? :P07:15
Llamabutchercan someone send me their /etc/apt/sources.list?07:16
ChibiWhy, Llama?07:16
thoreauputicChibi: yes, but I rarely do it (habit - a lot of people get cross when you ctcp them)07:16
socommTo autuo identify, click X-Chat->Server list->scroll to freenode->edit and add your nick+password.07:16
ChibiMine has some magic repositories of death on it D:07:17
TonyWWTF are you guys all nerds or what the fuck???07:17
ChibiYES!07:17
TonyWwhat the hell is this crap07:17
ChibiUsing Linux makes you a nerd!07:17
thoreauputicTonyW: err... did you want help?07:17
seth_lol07:17
TonyWno we use linux so we dont get viruses07:18
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TonyWI'm just bored07:18
billytwowilly;)07:18
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ChibiHehe, I'm a kendo student myself, billy :P07:18
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Se7hmsg NickServ IDENTIFY wiTched07:18
Se7h:|07:18
billytwowillyheh. So I take away your stick and you are defenseless;)07:18
ChibiOops.07:19
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thoreauputicSe7h: time to change your password07:19
thoreauputic:)07:19
Se7hdone07:19
Se7h;P07:19
thoreauputicheheh07:19
socommI'm not a nerd :^/.07:19
billytwowillydarn. He changed his password...07:19
Se7hi finaly discovered what07:20
thoreauputicsocomm: you're in denial - you're on IRC, therefore you are a nerd ;)07:20
Se7h./setup.sh: line 88: /home/seth/.setup9072: Permission denied07:20
Se7hThe setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.107:20
Se7his07:20
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TonyWwhat? you guys sit here and try to hack eachother or somethingholy crap I gotta get the fuck outa here07:20
socommNo I'm not!07:20
Se7hi had to run it on root terminal07:20
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billytwowillyhey, can anyone recommend a good web based answering machine program? I remember an awesome one, but I can't remember what it's called and freshmeat and google are being useless07:20
thoreauputicTonyW: too late, U h4v3 b33n 0wned ;-)07:21
TonyWK nerds heres a question, why can't I use applet games and chat with linux??07:21
LathiatTonyW: you have to install java probably, i think theres something about that in the FAQ07:21
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socommTonyW: everything is possible in this world, though not probable.07:22
TonyW??07:22
ComCtrl6java should've been included in ubuntu's repositories.07:23
ComCtrl6just a suggestion. :)07:23
thoreauputicComCtrl6: licensing issues07:24
socommJava is evil/bloated/ghey07:24
TonyWrepositories?07:24
RotundComCtrl6: It's not in Debian's.  It's a license thing.  Somewhat stemming back from Sun stealing Blackdown07:24
Adrenalwhenever itryo watch a movie in mplayer i get this error saying somethig abo als control, fliceringon off like a freaking jack russell07:24
socommTonyW: software repositories.07:24
thoreauputicTonyW: are you in culture shock?07:25
ComCtrl6serious, why does sun do this? what is wroing with those guys? just release the darn thing and let everyone use it. geez07:25
dleWow, the tone of this channel has really deteriorated.07:25
TonyWquite07:25
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Adrenali think its a codec problem, what codecs packs should i install to watch media formats?07:25
thoreauputicoops sorry adrenal07:25
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Adrenal/dev/mixer error07:26
Adrenalwhen i try to access /dev/moxer07:26
Adrenalit says the file is corrupt or something07:26
Adrenalso what i was thinking07:26
Adrenalsomeone send me theres07:26
Adrenali log into root07:26
TonyWgetting java07:26
Adrenalreplace the old with the new07:26
TonyWfor linux!07:27
ComCtrl6you know, one thing i absolutly love about Ubuntu is that i was able to get the i8k (dell fan utility thingy) to work. that is all it takes for me to convert.07:27
TonyWdont any of you have girlfriends or anything?07:27
socommAdrenal: huh?07:27
Adrenal/dev/mixer is corrupt on my install07:27
TonyWG-I-R-L-F-R-I-E-N-D-S07:27
Adrenalcan someone send me their /dev/mixer?07:27
thoreauputicTonyW: nah, we're all gay and ugly ;)07:28
socommAdrenal: /dev/mixer is a device, not a configuration file.07:28
Adrenall-i-nu-x?07:28
Adrenalok07:28
Adrenalwell, it be broke07:28
Tychehello07:28
ComCtrl6hi07:28
Tycheanyone install phpwiki before?07:28
Adrenalcan i reinstall it through synaptic07:28
socommAdrenal: I could send you mine, but the sound would come out on my speakers not yours.07:28
ComCtrl6lol07:28
ComCtrl6good one07:28
Adrenallol07:28
Adrenalok07:28
Adrenalcan i reinstall it through synaptic then?07:29
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ComCtrl6i guess07:29
socommAdrenal: install what?07:30
Adrenalmixer the app07:30
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Adrenalnope07:30
Adrenalnot on there07:30
socommAdrenal: no your kernel detects your audio card on boot and assigns it the name /dev/dsp /dev/mixer just adjust your audio cards volumes07:31
Adrenalhow?07:31
genmagic07:32
socommAdrenal: try running `aumix' if it doesn't work something is wrong with your audio configuration.07:32
Adrenalin linux volume applet on the panel07:32
TonyWif it said it was self extracting do I need to install it?07:32
Adrenalor some 1337 way?07:32
geni vote 133707:32
socommAdrenal: hardware probe.07:32
Adrenalsocomm, no such caommand found07:32
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socomm`sudo apt-get install aumix'07:33
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Adrenalkk07:35
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Adrenalinstalled07:35
Adrenalbut u sure its just the sound level?07:35
socommAdrenal: most apps use /dev/dsp for audio output, if that works you should be fine.07:36
Adrenalbut this was referring directly to mixer07:37
Adrenaland when i try to launch it07:37
Adrenali get an error saying the program be broke07:37
socommdoes aumix work?07:37
Se7his there a way to free some ram ?07:37
socommWhat's the exact error it spits out?07:37
socommSe7h: kill some daemons.07:38
socommSe7h: you could probably kills cupsd,postfix, etc ...07:38
AdrenalThere was an error launching the application07:38
Adrenalcouldn't display /dev/mixer07:38
Adrenaland i don't think its audio07:39
Adrenalcos xmms works fine07:39
JaraminAnyone here knows if it's possible to connect with VNC to the login prompt? The "Remote Desktop" is set right, but I canonly use it once logged in...07:39
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socommAdrenal: run `alsamixer'07:39
arananyone running Evolution 2.1.0 and have an IMAP email account?07:39
Adrenalkk07:39
Adrenalblack screen, looks like a dos app07:39
gendos lol07:39
socommAdrenal: use it to adjust your volume levels there.07:40
Se7hits not possible im running out of 512MB ddr07:40
Adrenalbut they seem fine07:40
socommAdrenal: than what's the problem.07:41
Adrenali wish i knew07:41
socomm....07:42
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Adrenalavi's won't launch07:42
Adrenalas i said07:42
Adrenali think it is a problem with mixer07:42
Adrenalthat is07:42
Adrenali think the install is corrupt07:42
socommAdrenal: no, have you installed the appropriate codecs?07:42
Adrenalwhich codecs should i install?07:43
socommAdrenal: try installing mplayer, if you like I can link you to my mplayer tutorial.07:43
KneelBeforeXorgthe win32 codec set07:43
Adrenalyeh07:43
Adrenalgot those07:43
socommAdrenal: or search, the wiki for mplayer + win32 codecs.07:43
Adrenali already have them install07:43
Adrenalreinstalling now07:44
AdrenalFFS07:44
socommKneelBeforeXorg: shouldn't it be `r0b0t luvz j00'?07:45
KneelBeforeXorgsocomm: do not condescend to tell me about the love of r0b0t07:46
Adrenalstill not working, could it just be a bad install?07:46
Adrenalbut its weird, cos before i reinstalled, movie playing was screwing up too07:46
Adrenalit was like the movie was in the head07:47
Adrenalbut something was beating the shit out of the body07:47
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socommAdrenal: which media player are you running?07:47
Adrenalmplayer07:47
Llamabutcherhey guys, im trying to mount my ntfs drive so i can copy some files. I have tried gediting my /etc/fstab with several different lines that ive found in guides but none of them are working07:47
socommdoes it complain about the audio card?07:47
Adrenalno07:48
Llamabutcheri dont even want to mount it permanently, just for a few hours anyways, is there some way to just temp mount it?07:48
Llamabutcherwithout editing the fstab?07:48
Adrenalit just bitches about /dev/mixer07:48
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socommchmod 777 /dev/dsp07:48
aranis anyone running hoary07:48
Adrenalwhich is what lead me to believe a faulty install was at work here07:48
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socommThat's what I do for my younger brothers login to play audio.07:48
Adrenalthis sin't audio07:49
Adrenalthis only affects video07:49
socommAdrenal: just try it.07:49
Adrenalall mp3s and cound files work fine07:49
Adrenalkk07:49
Adrenal...how?07:49
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socommAdrenal: at the command line `chmod 777 /dev/dsp'07:49
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socommAdrenal: does mplayer play audio at all?07:50
Adrenalnever tried07:50
KneelBeforeXorgthe love of r0b0t is a love socomm will never know.07:50
Adrenalno luck07:51
socommr0b0tz aint my thing, sorry.07:51
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TycheAlright who needs help...I'm here to help!07:51
KneelBeforeXorg200307:51
socommAdrenal: needs help.07:51
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TycheIs it help I can offer? =)07:52
Adrenalok, it plays audio fine07:52
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Adrenalbut, as expected, no window07:52
KneelBeforeXorgjust keep telling yourself that, socomm07:52
socommAdrenal: try video now.07:52
Adrenalsame error07:52
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socommAdrenal: also you may want to give mplayer the suid key.07:52
TycheHow do you do emotes?07:53
Adrenali'll try formatting my /nix partition, cos that will sure as shit get rid of any faulty install, and right now, cbf playing around07:53
socomm`chmod +s /usr/bin/mplayer'07:53
socommHell, I'm going to sleep.07:53
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nab_hello07:54
TycheHello nab_07:54
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nab_i remember a taskmanager program to come up when i presses strg+esc (uding suse), is there such a thing for ubuntu as well?07:55
erniehey guys, im trying the hoary release on my system and cant seem to get the locales worked out, i tried dpkg-reconfigure locales and only enabled UTF-8, i still get locale errors anytime i do anything, but everything seems to run ok, should i be concerned?07:57
stuNNedernie, i had probs with realplayer10 and the new hoary locales, not sure if that was why it wouldn't run07:58
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Tycheernie: Do you still have warty in the repositories?07:59
Tycheernie: and did you reload once you had hoary added?07:59
ernieno warty in reps07:59
geoffjhello all07:59
nab_oh i solved it myself :)07:59
ernieTyche -yes i did07:59
Tycheernie: not sure, I had some issues earlier, but that was because I had warty also.08:00
geoffjdoes anyone know why the wiki recommends purging fam when upgrading to hoary?08:00
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thoreauputicgeoffj: I seem to recal there's a replacement ( gamin? )08:01
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thoreauputic*recall08:01
geoffjthoreauputic, thanks08:01
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the_grey_ghostI seem to have given up. Is there a way of configuring a serial mouse at all in linux?08:01
thoreauputicthe_grey_ghost: sure - it's a question of mouse protocols08:02
MagnaIts my first time. just loaded ubuntu. Downloaded firefox 1.0. How do I uninstall .9?08:02
JDahlthe_grey_ghost, normally it should just work...08:02
JDahlthe_grey_ghost, you dont need to do anything special... what error message does X give you?08:03
the_grey_ghostJDahl Trust me it does not. I can access most of the menus rather well08:03
thoreauputicthe_grey_ghost: you can try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ( I think it asks you about your mouse)08:03
the_grey_ghostThoreauputic Do you know where I can change these protocols?08:03
thoreauputicI just gave you a command to try :)08:04
thoreauputicsudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8608:04
the_grey_ghostThoreauputic ok ill give it a go08:04
thoreauputicassuming this is warty not hoary08:04
MagnaI didn't think hoary was out yet?08:05
MagnaIts warty08:05
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thoreauputicMagna: not officially - it's the development version08:05
ernieits unofficially released for beta testing08:05
the_grey_ghostthoreauputic - thanks i only saw your post after I pressed enter. Yes it is warty08:05
nab_Can someone tell me how to start a certain program (system-monitor) by hotkey?08:05
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the_grey_ghostTheoreauputic I know this sounds rediculus but could you post that again. I cannot scroll up08:07
the_grey_ghostI have to try and write it down and then open terminal and try it.08:08
the_grey_ghostCause terminal goes straight over the xchat window08:08
MagnaHow does one "uninstall" a program in ubuntu? In what directory are these programs?08:08
the_grey_ghostok wait I wokred how to scroll up it's ok08:09
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nab_Magna, you have no control over the installation, thats one thing i hate about linux install08:09
ernieuse synaptic to add/rem progs08:10
thoreauputicthe_grey_ghost: heh - you capitalised my nick and it didn't highlight so I missed it - sorry08:10
KneelBeforeXorgMagna: the programs install pieces in appropriate locations.08:10
thoreauputicthe_grey_ghost: just use the scrollbar on the right :)08:11
thoreauputicMagna: either unistall through synaptic or use   sudo apt-get remove <packagename> in a terminal08:12
MagnaOK08:12
nab_hey you guys, anyone know about the hotkey problem? i wanna add a new hotkey thats runs a certain command08:12
KneelBeforeXorgMagna: google for "filesystem hierarchy standard" to understand what goes where08:12
thoreauputicnab_: it isn't strictly true that you have no control over installs - it's just more complicated to control if you want to08:13
MagnaI am new to Linux and ubuntu. There seems to be alot of docs and manuals and howtos. Could someone please suggest a good manual for me to learn the basics of this?08:14
thoreauputicMagna: the basics of Ubuntu are pretty well covered on the site http://www.ubuntulinux.org/  - do you want a guide to linux in general? (command etc?)08:15
MagnaYes please.08:16
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thoreauputichttp://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/cli.html  for an intro to commands08:16
thoreauputicMagna: ^^^08:16
MagnaThanks for that info.08:17
weaselloany P2p programs that work well with ubuntu?08:17
thoreauputicMagna: be aware that ubuntu uses sudo instead of su ( there's no root user by default in Ubuntu)08:17
MagnaOkay.08:18
nab_uhm... is anyone using VLC (videolan) ?08:19
nab_im getting the ugliest interface ive ever seen. its in win3.1 style. i installed the gnome and gtk frontends, but they nearly look the same08:20
the_grey_ghostthoreauputic finally got into the server configuration08:20
the_grey_ghostthe options that it presents do not say Serial mouse08:20
the_grey_ghostthey say dev/ttys0-s3 I think08:20
the_grey_ghostAre these com ports?08:20
thoreauputicthe_grey_ghost: hmm... I know it's a protocol thing. Can't remember the right one though..08:21
thoreauputicyes they are "com" ports08:21
thoreauputiccom1 is ttyS0  com2 is ttyS1 and so on08:21
the_grey_ghostok ill take a stab. i guess that atibm isn't it?08:22
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weaselloIs there any P2P programs at all for debian?08:22
weaselloer, gnome I should say08:23
nab_i think amule and xmule08:23
thoreauputicthe_grey_ghost: you might ask in #debian what the right mouse protocol is for your serial mouse - but don't mention Ubuntu unless you are wearing your flame-proof underwear ;)08:23
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the_grey_ghostthoeeauputic ok thanks mate ill give it a try08:25
George^Dekaweasello: try gift, you will need giftd and one of the gui's such as giftui or gifttoxic08:25
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thoreauputicthe_grey_ghost: if you are having prolems reading the document you were pointed to in #debian, try the command   zless  zless /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.mouse.gz08:40
thoreauputicrats he left08:40
wfxgood moring :-)08:42
joolzwfx: bad spelling :-)08:43
wfxjoolz, is my fist coffe :-)08:43
thoreauputicjoolz: how peddantic ov u ! ;-)08:44
joolzwow! be a bit kind to me, over here it's morning too :-)08:44
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thoreauputic:)08:45
wfx;-)08:45
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joolz:-)08:45
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joolzwell, this has all the signs of becoming a fruitful and prodictive day :-)08:46
joolzproductive08:46
thoreauputicheheh08:46
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thoreauputicbrb08:47
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wfxin 1 day, 12 hours receive bonobo 7737 messages (~718 kB)....08:49
thoreauputicbonobo: wfx08:50
thoreauputic?08:50
wfx:) it is to mutch to say08:50
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thoreauputicwfx: did bob2 get access to bonobo? He was asking about it...08:52
wfxhe ask me?08:53
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thoreauputicI thought it was your bot?08:54
wfxbob2, i hear you want access to bonobo08:56
thoreauputicwfx: I don't think he's here (grayed out in xchat user list, anyway)08:58
wfxthoreauputic, tell bob2, she need only to register08:59
thoreauputicwfx: and how is that done? Is there a command or something you can give?09:00
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jladagehi all09:01
jladagecould somebody explain to me how changing the locale works09:02
jladagemy locale currently says en_US09:03
jladageBut I'd like to change this to en_EN.ISO8859-109:03
wfxgive me one sec.09:03
Treenaksjladage: you probably want en_GB.UTF-809:04
jladageEven more strange is that python comes up with en_NL as locale09:04
Treenaksjladage: en_EN is nothing09:04
Treenaksjladage: come to #ubuntu-nl -- I can help you in Dutch there :)09:04
jladagegreat09:04
wfxi think it is: dpkg-reconfigure locales09:06
wfxor edit /etc/environment09:06
wfxfirst trick should it make system wide09:06
Treenakswfx: both.. I'm helping him on the dutch channel :)09:07
wfxok09:07
thoreauputicthere's also a package called localeconf (never used it, but might be worth a look)09:08
wfxhmmm, a choice for ubuntu? http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/11/msg00161.html09:09
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thoreauputicwfx: interesting09:11
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wfxthoreauputic, hmmm, and for desktop the fedora tools :-)09:17
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wfxthoreauputic, or vi ;-)09:20
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stuNNedis there a gtk2 version of yast?09:28
Treenakswho would want yast?09:29
KneelBeforeXorghahahaha09:29
KneelBeforeXorgYaST!09:29
Treenaksyast is a stinking ball of drool09:29
KneelBeforeXorgit's also proprietary software09:29
KneelBeforeXorgman09:29
KneelBeforeXorgI used to work at SuSE09:29
stuNNedKneelBeforeXorg, it's free now afaik09:29
KneelBeforeXorghaha09:29
TreenaksKneelBeforeXorg: I use suse at work.. it's hell!09:29
KneelBeforeXorghahaha09:30
wfxyast is gpl09:30
Treenakswfx: yast embodies what I hate about rpm-based distros: if you modify your configuration without using the supplied tool (say, using vim), you're SOL and everything breaks09:31
wood1What is the difference between VIM and VI ?09:32
wfxTreenaks, i dont know a lot about yast (last i see was with suse 4.2) maybe it is not a good choice.09:32
wfxvi is the original09:32
wfxvim is the clone with more feature09:32
Treenaksvim is "vi im"proved09:32
wfxyea09:33
wood1Can I remove VIM and just keep VI ?09:33
wood1My hard is only 2 GB. Which packages can I safely remove ?09:34
joolzwood1: no, vi doesn't exist anymore. what you call vi is vim09:34
wood1OK I see09:35
jdubwood1: apt-get remove --purge vim nvi+09:35
stuNNedTreenaks, ah ok, thanks for the heads up, had no clue :|09:35
jdubwood1: also, type apt-get clean09:35
wood1What does apt-get clean do ?09:35
KneelBeforeXorgit cleans out the cache of downloaded packages09:36
wfxopenoffice when you dont need it (abiword and gnumeric also fine)09:36
jdubwood1: clears out the cache of downloaded packages09:37
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KneelBeforeXorgjdub: pants pants09:37
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maz1977hi all09:37
maz1977qualche italiano?09:37
wfxcu, by, ... ;-)09:38
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maz1977sorry I haven't read the last header about english09:39
fabbionemaz1977: yes, but this is a english chan09:39
maz1977infact09:39
fabbioneprobably #ubuntu-it ?09:39
maz1977I have a question about mpeg layer..09:39
fabbionejust ask... if somebody knows.. she/he will answer09:40
maz1977I'll try with my oltragious english...09:40
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maz1977Is It possible that I can't see or play mpeg and mp3?09:41
Treenaksmaz1977: yes09:41
fabbioneyes09:41
joolzmaz1977: yes09:41
Treenaksmaz1977: look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats09:41
maz1977License problem?09:41
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Treenaksbtw, I can watch MPG now, but the colors seem wrong (RGB vs BGR?) and the right half of the screen is garbled -- this is a totem/gstreamer issue I think09:42
KneelBeforeXorgmaz1977: close: patents09:42
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maz1977ok, I'm reading the howto09:43
maz1977I modified /etc/apt/sources.list. Now I have to run apt-get gstreamer0.8-mad ? Right?09:44
Treenaksmaz1977: it's all there..09:45
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izmaz1977, apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad09:45
izmaz1977, first apt-get update09:46
maz1977ok running. But I run before apt-get update09:46
maz1977ok09:46
geoffjevolution question: In debian on evolution 2.0.2 when I compose a letter and type in the to: field names are auto completed for however in ubuntu (warty or hoary) this is not working. Any clues?09:46
Treenaksgeoffj: are the names in your address book?09:47
geoffjyep09:47
Treenaksgeoffj: did you enable autocompletion in your preferences?09:47
geoffjdouble check09:47
maz1977but gstreamer0.8-mad is it a lib or a program? Does it Work with totem?09:48
geoffjTreenaks: oh how silly, missed that one09:48
Treenaksmaz1977: gstreamer is a library used by totem and rhythmbox09:49
Treenaksmaz1977: gstreamer0.8-mad is a plugin for gstreamer09:49
Treenaksmaz1977: zo all gstreamer-using programs can use mp3s if you install it09:49
geoffjTreenaks: Must have come across automatically in debian on upgrade. My mother was asking about this when I upgraded her to ubuntu but I couldn't find it.  Thanks V much09:49
maz1977Ok, Totem and xmms work fine. Thanx!!09:50
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maz1977can I ask about gnome? is it offtopic?09:51
Treenaksmaz1977: just ask :)09:52
maz1977Ok. I wold like to add some links in Application\Internet. Where can I put the links?09:53
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geoffjIs anyone else having trouble upgrade gnome-games, gnomemeeting in hoary? apt-get just sits there "[Waiting for headers] ". Most everything upgrades fine.09:57
Treenaksgeoffj: waiting for headers -> network trouble09:57
geoffjTreenaks: yes but only on those packages other packages from same pool seem okay09:58
Treenaksgeoffj: are you using a proxy?10:00
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geoffjTreenaks: no10:00
geoffjTreenaks: well my provider might be10:00
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Treenaksscary providers..10:01
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geoffjTreenaks: When I try thorugh firefox it works okay10:02
geoffjTreenaks: downloading deb now10:02
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joolzhm, i forgot... Where do I set the login photo?10:03
Treenaksjoolz: login screen setup?10:04
joolzTreenaks: didn't find it there. let me look again...10:04
geoffjjoolz: under computer->System config10:05
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Treenaksjoolz: it's in your personal settings menu .. not the global one ('login photo')10:05
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wood1I have installed the KDE Window Manager but I I can't install Kconquer in Hoary.10:07
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bur[n] erwood1: use debian sources?10:08
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wood1burn[n] er, I don't understand? How do I use debian sources ?10:09
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geoffjjoolz: gdmphotsetup is the program name10:10
geoffjjoolz: I can't find it under any menu :(10:11
kos_Hi all. Just installed Warty. Very smooth, good job.10:11
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wood1I am having problems installing KDE's Konqerer10:13
bur[n] erwood1: if you don't know hwo to switch sources, you probably shouldn't10:13
bur[n] erit may introduce bugs10:13
bur[n] erwood1: apt-get install konqueror?10:13
bur[n] erthat didn't work?10:13
wood1I have done that, Yeah, it did not work10:13
bur[n] erwhat it say?10:13
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bur[n] er(side note: i'm using kanotix and kde)10:14
wood1Some errors indicating that Konquerer needs some other files10:14
bur[n] eroh?10:14
wood1I did apt-get install KDE10:14
bur[n] erget those files?10:14
bur[n] erdo apt-get install konqueror10:14
bur[n] erand good luck10:14
bur[n] eri'm out10:14
wood1Everything is fine in KDE except Konqueror10:15
Gmailwood1: hoary?10:15
wood1OK, thanks for your help10:15
bur[n] ersorry man10:15
bur[n] erbed time10:15
wood1Good Night10:15
Gmail??10:16
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wood1Did anyone notice the difference between XFree86 and XOrg ?10:16
wood1after updating to Hoary from Warty ?10:17
geoffjwood1: no, did you?10:17
wood1Well, I also did not notice the difference too10:17
wood1By the way, how is the purpose of Gnome Pilot Settings in Evolution ?10:18
chemajayou expected user-visible changes?10:18
wood1Well I did10:18
chemajanot by default, at least10:18
wood1By the way, what does Gnome Pilot do ?10:19
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joolzwood1: afaik it syncs palm and pc's10:19
KneelBeforeXorgwood1: kneel before Xorg!10:20
wood1you mean it's like Infra Red or something like that ?10:21
Treenakswood1: or the cradle/cable10:21
mjrI noticed the absence of flashing artifacts in 3d apps, spesifically nwn, with X.org10:21
wood1KneelBeforeXorg, How do I get the benefits from using XOrg ?10:21
Treenakswood1: install it :)10:22
Treenaksthere really aren't much "real" benefits..10:22
KneelBeforeXorgwood1: step one: kneel.  step two: pay fealty.  step three: destroy superman for us.10:22
wood1Thanks Treenaks for the information for Gnome Pilot10:22
Treenaks(not ones that you can see, anyway)10:22
maz1977I would like to upgrade firefox to version 1.0. But if I run apt-get upgrade mozilla-firefox dosn't nothig10:22
Treenaksmaz1977: because there isn't a newer version in warty10:22
Treenaksmaz1977: and you don't want to run hoary if you can't figure out how to upgrade to it yourself :)10:23
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wood1When can we expect to get the update to Firefox 1.0 in Warty ?10:24
Treenakswood1: never10:24
Treenakswood1: it (or the next version..) will be in hoary10:24
Treenakswood1: the idea of a "stable" release is that it doesn't change (well, it does, but only for security fixes)10:24
wood1Treenaks, it does not make sense10:25
Treenakswood1: it's perfectly straightforward10:25
wood1So we have to wait for Firefox till March of 200410:25
geoffjTreenaks: but doesn't fixfox 0.9 have a security hole?10:25
Treenakswood1: Warty has been released. Packages don't change in it anymore.10:25
Treenaksgeoffj: those have been patched in the ubuntu version10:25
Treenakswood1: you can upgrade to hoary now, there just aren't any stability guarantees10:25
geoffjTreenaks: cool10:26
Treenakswood1: and no support, of course10:26
wood1But when we do:   apt-get update, Firefox should also get updated, doesn't it ?10:26
Treenakswood1: update = update package list, upgrade = upgrade packages10:26
wood1Well I have updated to Hoary on my other PC10:26
wood1But I am using Warty on this PC10:26
Treenakswood1: but if there isn't a newer version available in warty (and there isn't) nothing will get upgraded10:27
wood1Then how do I update to Firefox 1.0 in Warty ?10:27
Treenakswood1: you don't10:27
geoffjTreenaks: firefox about: version 1.0 on my box?10:27
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Treenaksgeoffj: repeat in English?10:28
geoffjI'm running firefox 1.0 in hoary10:28
geoffjTreenaks: oops you said warty10:28
Treenaksgeoffj: yes, that works. but you can't have warty and firefox 1.010:28
wood1Ok can anyone give me a guide to remove Firefox 0.93 in Warty and then download Firefox 1.0 and install it in Warty ?10:29
Treenakswood1: there is no such guide10:29
stuNNedwhoa new industrial theme is beautiful10:29
geoffjTreenaks: does ubuntu support apt-get -t option?10:29
Treenakswood1: you can not upgrade to firefox 1.0 in warty. wait for hoary.10:29
maz1977sorry I don't understand. I have no problem to uninstall firefox package and build it from the source. I would like to know why apt-get dosn't work.10:30
Treenaksgeoffj: yes, but you don't want to mix hoary and warty10:30
Treenaksmaz1977: you don't want to build your own firefox. just keep using 0.9.3 until you know the system well enough, then upgrade to hoary10:30
Treenakswhat's wrong with 0.9.3 ?10:30
geoffjTreenaks: good question :)10:31
maz1977but what is it hoary?10:31
Treenaksmaz1977: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog10:31
maz1977for example the 1.0 have a wonderfool search tool.10:32
wood1The problem that I am having using Firefox 0.93 is that I can't get the Flash and Shockware player plugins to work while browsing some sites10:32
Treenakswood1: install the flash player package10:34
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wood1I have tried the settings in the Mozilla and Macromedia help site but it still does not work10:34
kapnkrunchhow do i allow ftp?10:34
Treenakswood1: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats10:34
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Treenakskapnkrunch: what do you mean?10:34
kapnkrunchTreenaks: like, allow people on my network to ftp to my computer10:34
Treenakskapnkrunch: you can FTP to other sites using the file browser -> file -> new connection to server10:34
Treenakskapnkrunch: install an FTP server using synaptic10:34
stuNNedTreenaks, should i stop biting my nails after installing Hoary on both laptop and pc? :D10:34
kapnkrunchTreenaks: it's not installed by default? wtf?10:35
TreenaksstuNNed: no, you should increase your biting frequency10:35
stuNNedTreenaks, LOL :)10:35
Treenakskapnkrunch: by default all ports are closed. it's Ubuntu policy10:35
kapnkrunchTreenaks: i see. wut's a good ftp server to use?10:36
Treenakskapnkrunch: don't know.. I haven't used ftp in ages..10:36
kapnkrunchTreenaks: or better yet... wut's the default on most linux boxes?10:36
Treenakskapnkrunch: vsftpd or proftpd I _think_10:36
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crimsunI recommend vs if you must have one10:36
crimsunsftp/scp are preferable10:37
KneelBeforeXorgrsync -azvP10:37
KneelBeforeXorgrsync -azvP -e ssh10:37
KneelBeforeXorgetc10:37
azeemso I mailed ubuntu-users but did get an 'awaiting moderater review' response and did not hear back yet. Anybody know whether and/or when posting get moderated or just dropped?10:37
geoffjkapnkrunch: ftpd I think is the default10:38
opiazeem: maybe you've posted from wrong (ie. not subscribed) account?10:38
wood1By the way, has anyone received the Official Warty CD ? What does it's cover look like ?10:39
azeemopi: indeed10:39
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opiazeem: post it again, from correct one :>10:39
kapnkrunchgeoffj: thanx. all i need now is a howto for getting ftpd up10:39
opiwood1: they are not yet released, iirc10:39
azeemopi: to be honest, I am not even subscribed. I just wanted to know whether my mail might get through eventually nevertheless10:40
KneelBeforeXorgwood1: they're about 5 1/4 inches in diameter, shiny on one side, and flat10:40
geoffjkapnkrunch: should start fine. If you want anon ftp then look at what Treenaks suggested10:40
maz1977wood1: about shockware. On my linux box works fine. What's your problem?10:40
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kapnkrunchgeoffj: worked :-D10:41
opiazeem: it won't be posted, I guess, untill you're not subscribed10:41
wood1I get the plugins not installed10:41
wood1I have tried downloading and installing the Flashplayer 7 but it does not work10:42
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wood1By the way, where is the plugin's directory in Firefox ?10:44
crimsun/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/10:44
maz1977wood1: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins10:44
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wood1By the way, which directory do I install the Flash Player 710:46
maz1977wood1: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox10:46
maz1977wood1: are you running the flashplayer-installer as root?10:47
wood1Should I just download the generic FlashPlayer in .tar.gz format ?10:48
wood1Well I usually install applications as root10:48
stvnbonobo: flash wood110:49
bonobowood1: for flashplayer in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats10:49
Gmailto ubuntu firefox team why not use this as the firefox icon http://iconpacks.mozdev.org/packs/firefox-experimental.html10:53
free_could you give me somebody a hint what to to with those pretty small menu-fonts in xmms, please?10:55
noneus1stfree_, you have a small font in xmms menus? the gtk-menus?10:56
free_exactly10:56
TreenaksGmail: license10:56
noneus1stthen install gtk-theme-switch10:57
GmailTreenaks: ask the person10:57
noneus1styou can setup the font there10:57
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free_i've tried somehow, but didnt work :)10:57
GmailTreenaks: if he gives it out for free he probbly will allow it to there by default10:57
paohi all10:59
TreenaksGmail: still, most icons have non-free licenses10:59
paoI'm trying to use aptitude in gnome-terminal...10:59
GmailTreenaks: i said ASK10:59
paoI do I prevent gnome-terminal to intercept F10 keystroke?10:59
free_noneulst: thanks10:59
GmailTreenaks: if he says not you can make a script easyly that download it installs it...11:00
noneus1stfree_, it works?11:00
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azeempao: there's an option for that somewhere in g-t's preferences, IIRC11:01
paoazeem, thanks... it was in g-t profile management...11:02
geoffjpao Edit->keyboard short cuts11:02
free_noneuslst: it changes only the fonts of xmmms-front. still cant realize how to force menu fonts to be redable11:02
paogeoffj, thanks...11:02
noneus1sthmmm strange.11:03
noneus1stcan you make a screenshot?11:03
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free_noneuslst: well, not now. i've got to run away ... i'l try to do some woodoo there, anyway. thanks11:06
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newrehtsehi11:07
wood1About the flash player 7 for Firefox, I have download the file and copied it in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox  directory ?11:08
jmlare there guides available for installing ubuntu as a dual-boot os on a powerbook?11:08
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newrehtsewhat kernel has ubuntu?11:09
labanux2.6.8.111:09
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wood1What do I do now with the install_flashplayer.tar.gz file ?11:10
newrehtseok thx!! :D my motherboard need that kernel :D11:10
newrehtsethank you  :)11:10
labanuxwood1:extract the file11:10
labanuxwood1:extract the install_flash ....11:10
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labanuxwood1: i think you don't need to do that11:11
labanuxwood1: why don't you just use apt-get11:11
wood1I do that using the command:   tar -zxvf  filename    ??11:11
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wood1What is the exact parameters using:   apt-get install ???? for flash Player ?11:12
labanuxwood1: apt-get flashplugin-nonfree11:13
labanuxwood1: at least it's work for me..11:13
fabbioneapt-get install <pkgname>11:13
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noneus1stgrrr i hate ati. the flgrx-driver does not work with xorg 6.8.111:15
wood1apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree did not work. It says it can't find any package of that name11:15
labanuxwood1: has you check the /etc/apt/sources.list ?11:16
wood1I have not added: universe11:16
stvnyou need universe11:17
stvnbonobo: universe wood111:17
bonobowood1: Universe contains packages which are not officially supported by Ubuntu, to enable it see: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages11:17
cardadorwood1: while your are editing sources.list, add also multiverse11:17
labanuxbut i'm gonna live Ubuntu myself...11:18
labanuxit's confusing using Ubuntu...11:18
labanuxi'ev install GTK+ packages.., but even the header (gtk.h) is not exist in my system..11:18
wood1What is the difference between universe and multiverse ?11:18
stvnlabanux: did you install the source packages?11:19
stvnbonobo: multiverse wood111:19
bonobowood1: Software in the multiverse" component has not been determined to be Free Software to enable it see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543"11:19
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stvnwood1: universe is the rest of the debian archive (more or less) and multiverse is non-free software11:20
geoffjlabanux: gtk.h is in libgtk2.0-dev11:20
wood1Hum I see11:21
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wood1Which line do I add multiverse in the sources.list ?11:22
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stvnwood1: see the url bonobo just gave11:24
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labanuxstvn: no.., i'm installing from the CD11:25
labanuxgeoffj: i've installed the library ..11:25
stvnlabanux: why do you need a header file when installing from CD? (it's in -dev BTW)11:25
geoffjlabanux: do you have /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h?11:26
wood1Can I just use some Editor to edit the sources.list or should I use Synaptic ?11:26
labanuxstvn: i'm not installing package from the source.., but i'm gonna make some software using GTK+11:26
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stvnwood1: both are possible11:27
xukunhi11:27
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stvnlabanux: ah ok, you'll need the -dev packages, geoffj said in which one it should be11:28
labanuxstvn: i've install it... but it still doesn't work..11:28
geoffjlabanux: what doesn't work?11:28
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labanuxgeojeff:the header gtk.h still doesn't exist11:29
labanuxgeojeff: and it's happend to in qt311:29
geoffjlabanux: I've only got it installed on debian, I'll try under ubuntu11:29
labanuxgeojeff: i've install all package needed to develop using qt3..11:30
wood1Is there any alternative software to replace MS-Access ?11:30
labanuxgeojeff: then i use apt-get to install those package11:30
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labanuxgeojeff: but , just like GTk, the Qt library heder doesn't exist...11:31
labanuxanother problem : my ubuntu can't shutdown11:31
stvnwood1: not as such, but there are a multitude of databases available11:31
labanuxit always stalled at this point : acpi_power_down called11:32
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stvnwood1: but AFAIK noone is compatible with MS access files11:32
labanuxi've turned off the acpi deamon11:32
labanuxby adding acpi=off to /boot/grub/menu.lst11:32
geoffjlabanux: I just looked on the ubuntu CD and could not see libgtk2.0-dev. Did you get it off the net?11:32
stvnwood1: you could have a look at mergeant11:33
joolzstvn: http://www.dbforums.com/t844518.html11:33
labanuxgeojeff: wasn't it on /media/cdrom0/pool/main/g/gtk+2.0 ??11:34
seb128the -dev are not on the CD11:35
labanuxheh?11:35
stvnlabanux: you /need/ libgtk2.0-dev, I've got it installed and I've got gtk.h11:35
geoffjlabanux: I can't see the -dev package there11:35
stvnjoolz: ah, nice11:35
stvnwood1: see also the URL joolz just gave11:36
geoffjlabanux: I think you'll need to get it off the net. You'll need to enable it in synaptic11:36
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labanuxoh..., i;m sorry , i think packages in /media/cdrom0/pool/main/g/gtk+2.0 is the same with libgtk2.0-dev11:37
stvndifferent name different package ;)11:38
geoffjlabanux: Nope, by the looks of it the -dev package is not shipped on the CD11:38
labanuxwait a minute..11:38
labanuxhow about gcc.., and g++ it was on the CD11:38
wood1It is11:39
geoffjlabanux: yep, much more fundemental packages :)11:39
stvnlabanux: enable universe and do sudo apt-get install build-essentials11:39
Kamionwe have room for some basic development packages, but not for all useful *-dev11:39
geoffjlabanux: gtk2.0-dev is in main so universe not need but probably good to enable anyway11:39
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maz1977who can explain me how runlevel works on ubuntu?11:40
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stvnKamion: just add a zillion CDs with all possible useful packages11:40
__danielhai11:40
labanuxgeojeff: what shoul i do to make all packages on the CD installed on my Ubuntu?11:40
stvn*hides*11:40
Treenakslabanux: you probably don't need _all_ of them11:41
geoffjlabanux: I don't know. I would not recommend doing that; instead install package as you need them. Use the debian package search engine if you are looking for something in particular.11:42
labanuxgeojeff: I always do that (at least for this 2 weeks..) --> packages.debian.org11:43
labanuxbut sometimes i can't get what i'm looking for11:43
geoffjlabanux: Well come and ask here in thoses cases :)11:44
wood1By the way, I have a friend using Ubuntu but his problem is that his internal modem does not work even though it is listed in Device Manager ?11:45
labanuxha.ha...., thanx a lot guys.., it's nice to have someone helping me like this11:47
wood1Any help or advice is appreciated11:47
labanuxgeojef: then how about the acpi?? my ubuntu can't shutdown..11:47
wood1why not use the command prompt to halt it ?11:48
labanuxgeojeff: i must "reboot" or "shutdown -r now" to come to grub command line, then run "halt -p"11:48
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labanuxwood1: halt -p <-- it doesn't work in my Ubuntu11:48
Treenaksshutdown -h now 'reason'11:49
Treenaksor press the power button11:49
Treenaksor select 'shutdown' in the logout window11:49
labanuxTreenaks : all of that doesn't work..., and it has the same condition :11:50
geoffjlabanux: do you that it does not power off automatically?11:50
labanuxit always stalled at this point: "acpi_power_down called"11:50
labanuxgeojeff: yeh..11:51
labanuxgeojeff: yeah..11:51
Treenakslabanux: then your BIOS is broken, complain with your manufacturer11:51
Kamionstvn: one CD :-)11:51
geoffjlabanux: maybe you need to enable something in your BIOS?11:51
labanuxTreenaks: my BIOS is broken? But it works on Fedora, Madrake, and Suse..........11:52
labanuxthe problem was like this:11:52
Treenakslabanux: maybe they don't use ACPI11:52
labanuxafter the first time installing Ubuntu Linux it can shutdown well11:52
labanuxbut.., cause of some reason i 're-install' the Ubuntu11:53
labanuxafter this .., my Ubuntu can't shutdown normally...11:53
wood1Have you check the BIOS settings ?11:53
wood1What happens when you click the shutdown button ?11:54
wood1Any messages or nothing at all ?11:54
labanuxwood1: there's message "md ....." i don't really remember..11:55
labanuxbut it's always stop at this message: acpi_power_down called11:55
labanuxwood1: but it's always stop at this message: acpi_power_down called11:55
labanuxTreenaks: i've turned off the ACPi by adding "acpi=off" in /boot/grub/menu.lst11:56
Treenakslabanux: that explains it11:56
Treenakslabanux: don't do that11:56
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labanuxTreenaks : why.., even i don't do that the same thins still hapend...11:57
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labanuxTreenaks: so.., what should  I do with this..??11:59
Treenakslabanux: keep acpi enabled11:59
Treenakslabanux: it should really work then12:00
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wood1By the way, I have a friend using Ubuntu but his problem is that his internal modem does not work even though it is listed in Device Manager ?12:01
Treenakswood1: is it a PCI modem?12:02
Treenakswood1: (it being listed does not mean a driver is available or the device is working.. it's just "detected")12:03
Treenakswood1: still there?12:04
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labanuxTreenaks: i've ever enabled the acpi ..., but it's still happend12:04
Treenakslabanux: cat /proc/cmdline for me please12:05
labanuxwait a minute12:05
Treenakslabanux: if it worked, and stopped working when you added acpi=off, then acpi=off is the problem12:05
Treenaksit's that easy12:05
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labanuxTreenaks : root=/dev/hda8 ro quiet splash12:06
labanuxYou have new mail in /var/mail/laban12:06
maz1977i need to install gcc-2.9.5. Can I use apt-get install gcc-2.9.5?12:06
Treenakslabanux: you have new mail :)12:06
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Treenaksmaz1977: gcc 2.95 is not supported in ubuntu12:07
labanuxeh..., i'm soryy :D12:07
Treenaksmaz1977: fix your program to be compatible with decent C standards12:07
Treenaksmaz1977: and why do you need t?12:07
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maz1977do tell you ti mr. Oracle?12:07
labanuxTreenaks:12:07
wood1Treenaks: how do I get my friend's PCI Modem to work in Ubuntu ? Is there any chace to make it work ?12:07
Treenakswood1: it really depends on the kind of modem it is12:07
Treenakswood1: google for 'winmodem'12:08
maz1977Oracle 9i requires gcc 2.9.512:08
Treenaksmaz1977: 2.95/2.9.5 is not supported in ubuntu, because it's not really compatible with 3.312:08
labanuxTreenaks : root=/dev/hda8 ro quiet splash12:09
Treenakslabanux: ok that's good12:09
labanuxTreenaks: Then what should I do?12:09
labanuxheh/12:09
Treenakslabanux: press the power button :) see if it works12:09
labanuxTreenaks: push the power button right now?? Are you sure?12:09
maz1977Treenaks: it's a problem for me... no workarounds?12:10
Treenakslabanux: type dmesg | grep -i acpi | less in a console (NOT /exec -o!)12:10
Treenaksmaz1977: oracle is not supported by oracle on ubuntu either12:10
Treenaksmaz1977: so switch to a supported distribution for yuor oracle server12:10
Treenaksmaz1977: and if you still have a choice, switch to postgresql :)12:11
maz1977Treenaks: yes, neither on Fedora,RedHat9 or Mandrake. But it works12:11
maz1977Treenaks: 250 db installed. I need Oracle Client on my machine12:12
Treenaksmaz1977: I can't help you.. I only use oracle at work and I hate it :)12:12
Treenaksmaz1977: and it's being sysadminned for me.. so I don't have to worry about this..12:12
Treenaksmaz1977: but you should ask oracle for a client...12:12
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cenerentolais there any guide to bypass the error 21 that ubuntu live cd gives on some machines?12:12
maz1977Treenaks: i'll try to copy it from another machine12:13
Treenakscenerentola: where does it give the error?12:13
Treenakscenerentola: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2004-10/msg00043.html ?12:13
wood1HCF Rockwell PCI Modem belongs to which company ?12:13
Treenakswood1: google says "Conexant"12:14
cenerentolatreenaks: someone reported to me an error 21...12:14
cenerentolatreenaks: during bootstrap... and i probably found i way out... is there the need for 1 how-to?12:14
labanuxTreenaks : i've run  dmesg | grep -i acpi | less12:14
Treenakslabanux: and?12:15
pepsiim trying to use the parallel port, but i dont have a device file for it12:15
Treenakspepsi: then your parallel port isn't detected12:15
labanuxTreenaks: there's some message .., and i don't understand what it is... :(12:15
pepsihrm12:15
Treenakspepsi: try adding 'lp' to /etc/modules and then typing modprobe lp12:15
labanuxTreenaks: should i send it to you?12:15
Treenakslabanux: use pastebin.com12:15
labanuxheh?12:15
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Treenakslabanux: www.pastebin.com12:16
Treenakswood1: http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/12:16
cenerentolatreenaks: u're a robot my friend12:16
Treenakscenerentola: I am? :)12:16
Treenakscenerentola: that would explain a lot of things ;)12:17
pepsiyay12:17
pepsithx12:17
Treenakspepsi: did that work?12:17
cenerentolayou can give user-support to 10 person... at the same time... its like me, sexually speaking.. with girls: we're special...;)12:17
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pepsiwell i have /dev/lp0 now12:17
labanuxTreenaks : http://pastebin.com/12028712:18
Treenakslabanux: yes, you can press your power button - it's been detected by the kernel12:18
cenerentolahey ppl i need to speak with mako... but it doesn answer... should i try with a nick like "Pamela" or sht?12:18
cenerentola...s?th12:18
Treenakslabanux: it'll pass the event to a program and the nshut down cleanly12:18
Treenakscenerentola: mail him12:19
cenerentolai did...12:19
pepsihrm12:19
Treenakspepsi: ?12:19
pepsiVMware told me that the use of /dev/lpN is deprecated and that it was going to try /dev/parport0, which doesnt exist12:19
pepsican i just make a link?12:19
pepsiheh12:19
cenerentolahes trying to call me on my mobee... but sound gets weird over 8000 km12:19
Treenakspepsi: oh you're running in vmware? then I don't know..12:20
pepsino12:20
pepsiim running windows in vmware12:20
Treenakspepsi: hm ok12:20
Treenakspepsi: I don't know anything about vmware12:20
pepsido you have /dev/parport*?12:20
Treenaksno12:20
Treenaksbut then, I don't have parallel ports either12:20
labanuxTreenaks :ok.., i'll try it12:21
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StarScreamhi guys, whats the BEST way to stop some of the startup scripts that i dont need from running.12:23
TreenaksStarScream: you need them12:24
TreenaksStarScream: otherwise, de-install the package12:24
StarScreamk12:24
stvnpepsi: prallel port is not /dev/parport - since my printer is on the par port and works, but there's no /dev/parport here, i'll try and figure out which /dev it is instead12:24
Treenaksstvn: lp012:25
Treenaksstvn: parport0 was temporary ?12:25
StarScreamTreenaks, but like i dont want mysql to start,  but i still need the package (ocassionally)12:25
TreenaksStarScream: the server or the client?12:25
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StarScreamserver12:25
StarScreamsame with httpd12:25
stvnTreenaks: guess so, lp0 is here at least12:25
TreenaksStarScream: just read the update-rc.d manpage12:25
StarScreamthanks12:25
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pepsistvn, its probably /dev/lp012:27
pepsithats what i got too.. i made a symlink to /dev/parport0 cause vmware didnt like lp012:28
unikumwhat does wiki mean? is it short for something?12:28
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labanuxi'm back.........12:29
Kamionunikum: Hawaiian for "quick", I believe12:29
labanuxTreenaks : it doesn't work at all....12:29
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labanuxTreenaks : i dont' use acpi=off on grub/menu.lst12:30
wood1At home, I have to use the terminal with the "pon" command to connect to the Net using a modem. Is there any other alternatives ?12:30
labanuxTreenaks: but it still happend.., it stop at this message : acpi_power-off called...12:30
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labanuxTreenaks: but it still happend.., it stop at this message : acpi_power_off called...12:30
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Kamionunikum: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?EtymologyOfWiki12:30
paocan anyone tell me what tag files are? where can I find some doc?12:31
Treenakslabanux: sorry, I don't know then12:31
labanuxTreenaks: and it still can't shutdown..12:31
labanuxbut someone tell me possibly it's bug ..,12:32
wood1Is there any commands to get my modem to dial automatically ?12:32
Kamionpao: as in exuberant-ctags? install that package, read 'man ctags'12:32
StarScreamwood1, usb or dial-up?12:33
paoKamion, no... debian tag files... I think it has something to do with debian packages...12:33
Kamionoh, you mean debtags12:33
Kamiongoogle for 'debtags'12:34
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paoKamion, I studying python-apt code... I see it handles tag files (it provides ability to parse them)... but it doesn't seem they are debtags... apt and debtags seem to be alternatives...12:36
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wood1StarScream, it's dial-up12:40
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pao/var/lib/dpkg/status is an example of tagfile... :-)12:41
StarScreamwood1, hmm  when do you want it to connect? on boot or on login?12:42
Kamionpao: what apt calls tag files are totally different to what debtags calls tag files12:42
Kamionpao: debtags is not an alternative to apt12:42
paoKamion, that's what I suspected....12:43
wood1after login12:44
wood1I connect using "pon"12:44
paoKamion, are "apt tag files" used samewhereelse /var/lib/dpkg/status...12:44
wood1It gets connected and I can browse the Net12:44
StarScreamwood1, you could make a small script and add it to yer gnome session?12:44
wood1But how do I see how long I have been online12:44
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wood1Wow, StarScream, that would be great12:45
wood1Can I also specify a time period for the dial-up connection ?12:45
StarScreamwood1, if your making a script you can do anything12:45
StarScreami think its in pppd options file...not sure though12:46
StarScreami've only just started using pppd12:46
StarScreami think wvdial may also be an idea12:46
StarScreamlots of people prefer it12:46
wood1How do I see how long I have been online with my dial-up connection ?12:47
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Kamionpao: I wouldn't worry about apt's tagfile structure if I were you, it's basically internal to apt and stuff that's directly using the apt libraries12:47
unikumhow do i get javaplugin to firefox? I downloaded and installed j2re-1.4.2-rc1-linux-i586-gcc3.2.bin12:50
Treenaksbonobo: java12:50
bonobo: for java in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats12:50
pepsiTreenaks, i got it working12:50
unikumi have read it but it doesnt work12:50
pepsii just had to mknod parport012:50
Treenakspepsi: it'll be gone on reboot...12:51
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pepsithats cool12:51
pepsiill put it in a script later12:51
wood1Is there any commands to see how long my dial-up connection session has been on ?12:51
cyrus-tcbonobo, maxbuttons12:52
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paoKamion, thanks12:52
GeckoHello, I noticed on my new ubuntu install, that you don't use the debian menu program, how do you recommend keeping the menus up to date?12:53
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unikumnobody?12:54
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plogginhi01:03
ploggincan someone help me?01:03
ploggini have firefox 0.9.301:03
ploggini want to upgrade it to 1.001:03
Treenaksploggin: you can't in warty.01:03
plogginso, shall i just remove firefox 0.9.3 and then apt-get install firefox?01:04
Treenaksploggin: no01:04
plogginoh01:04
plogginok01:04
Treenaksploggin: wait for hoary01:04
plogginwhat is warty?01:04
opi*doh*01:04
opiit's a release of Ubuntu01:04
plogginand horay?01:04
opiyou can name it codename01:04
Treenaksploggin: the current release.. it's Warty Warthog01:04
opinext release01:04
Kamion"hoary"01:04
plogginok01:04
plogginthought the current release was just named 'ubuntu'01:05
opiit's distribution name01:05
plogginand when is hoary coming out?01:05
opiread FAQ01:05
plogginok01:05
ploggini will01:05
opistable relases are released in 6 months01:05
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opibut you can switch earlier, and run unstable version of Hoary01:06
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KneelBeforeXorghey, so why isn't there a "stable" alias for the current release version, the way debian does?01:11
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KneelBeforeXorgwhy do we have to edit our sources.list files whenever you release?01:11
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unikumi just d/l with synaptic. what button to hit after read the license? nothing happens with enter01:15
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unikumi just d/l with synaptic. what button to hit after read the license? nothing happens with enter01:18
opiKneelBeforeXorg: it will be annouced01:19
opiKneelBeforeXorg: H. is unusable atm01:19
KneelBeforeXorgopi: that's not what I'm saying01:19
KneelBeforeXorgthe point is that my sources.list explicitly say "warty"01:19
KneelBeforeXorgwhereas on debian they just say "stable"01:19
KneelBeforeXorgwhich happens to be "woody" right now01:19
opibecaue it's not Debian?01:20
KneelBeforeXorglook01:20
opiyou should ask developers, and Im not the one ;)01:20
KneelBeforeXorgI don't care what you call it01:20
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KneelBeforeXorgbut the idea is that I want to know that I'm pointed at the latest release, whatever that happens to be01:20
ironwolfkneelbeforexorg: you'll have to change warty to hoary when they release.  upgrade should be harmless. :)01:20
Astharotcan someone help me with postfix ?01:20
KneelBeforeXorgironwolf: I know this01:20
KneelBeforeXorgyou're not *listening*01:21
opiKneelBeforeXorg: maybe it would be better01:21
ironwolfastharot: whatcha need?01:21
KneelBeforeXorgI've had the same debian sources.list since the days of slink, not accounting for archive restructuring01:21
opiKneelBeforeXorg: but it's just what developers come up with, so I can not tell you why they are using releases names instead of stability levels01:22
KneelBeforeXorgit just says hey, use main, security, and non-us all from stable01:22
Astharotironwolf: I have to relay mails from one IP address, i added the ip address in mynetworks but it gives me "relay denied"... why ?01:22
KneelBeforeXorgopi: nononono, not *instead of*01:22
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KneelBeforeXorgin addition to01:22
izAstharot, you restart postfix?01:22
opiok, maybe they work? :)01:22
KneelBeforeXorgin debian archives, "stable" is a *symlink*01:22
opiI didn't try it01:22
Astharotiz: sure... restart, reload, everything01:22
izk01:22
opiim using stable/testing/unstable on Debian01:22
KneelBeforeXorgI'm curious as to why there's no such symlink on archive.ubuntu.org01:22
opitry it, change it to stable :)01:23
jdubKneelBeforeXorg: we wanted to make the upgrade transition immediately hands-on01:23
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KneelBeforeXorgwhy?01:23
jdubbecause when my mum is using her computer01:23
jduband it pops up to say "security update, install one package",01:23
jdubthat's pretty reasonable01:23
jdubif it pops up one day and says "um, please update 300 packages"01:24
KneelBeforeXorgpops up?01:24
jdubshe'll wonder what on earth is going on01:24
jduband the upgrade process needs to be a 'smart upgrade' in synaptic terms, etc.01:24
jdubmaking the upgrade transition require an explicit knowledge that you're upgrading is safer and easier to understand01:25
KneelBeforeXorgI tried using the little panel applet to notify me of new packages, but it doesn't use the gksudo01:25
jdubthere's a new one in hoary01:25
ironwolfAstharot: does postconf | grep mynetworks show the correct networks?01:25
KneelBeforeXorghooray01:25
Kamionjdub: I'd like the symlink to be available but not used by default, personally01:25
jdubKamion: if not used by default, why would it be useful? the option to use it, or the implicit documentation?01:26
KneelBeforeXorgKamion: but jdub's mum wouldn't01:26
Astharotironwolf: sure01:26
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KneelBeforeXorgimplicit trouser pointer dereference01:26
Kamionjdub: there are people who would prefer to use it; those people are fully capable of selecting it manually, it's a convenience01:27
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jdubKamion: what's the use case? (for completeness)01:28
KneelBeforeXorgjdub: anyway, that's a groovy answer, and I hope that ma' dub dilligently grabs her security updates01:28
unikumanybody here who have time to look at a screenshot and tell me what to do?01:29
opiput it on the web and provide a link01:29
Kamionjdub: "I always want to run the latest release of Ubuntu, I know how to upgrade, and I don't want to remember every six months to fiddle with sources.list on my 200 machines, only some of which are running Ubuntu"01:30
unikumi am newbie. dont even know if ubuntu have a ftpclient installed01:30
KneelBeforeXorgI never cease to be amazed that people still use unencrypted protocols01:30
opiunikum: I bet ftp is there :)01:30
unikum?01:30
jdubKamion: 200 machine point is tenuous ;)01:31
opiunikum: ftp's a shell client01:31
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opiunikum: get to the shell, type ftp myaccount@myserver01:31
opilogin, use cd to move around and put file to upload stuff01:31
Kamionjdub: well, the main point is heterogeneous networks; that's when the brain-space required to remember to fiddle sources.list every six months becomes relevant01:32
opior, probably there's some graphical ftp client (or even nautilus could connect to ftp, I do not know)01:32
KneelBeforeXorgjdub: for me, the rationale is that I run cron-apt01:32
KneelBeforeXorgand I want it to download hoary when that releases01:33
jdubKamion: my brain has atrophied since i started using cfengine. ;-)01:33
KneelBeforeXorgeven if I'm still *running* warty01:33
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Kamionjdub: it's difficult for us to conceive that people wouldn't notice when a new version of Ubuntu is released, but we're so involved in the process that we're tremendously bad examples01:33
opiKneelBeforeXorg's got point there01:33
potatomost people wouldn't really care if there is a new version01:33
KneelBeforeXorgbut that's also a pretty weak general case01:34
potatothey just want their linux to work01:34
Kamionpotato: they'll care eventually, when the old version stops getting security updates01:34
KneelBeforeXorgmost of my reaction was "why not put the symlink?  What's the harm?"01:34
jdubKamion: not sure that "would you believe... FIVE HUNDRED MEGABYTE UPGRADE!" is a brilliant notification though ;-)01:34
Kamionjdub: we're not talking about the sort of people who use the desktop panel applet here01:34
KneelBeforeXorgjdub: these people are magpies, I tell you!  the software has to be round and shiny!01:34
KneelBeforeXorgnone of this fax-o-net mo-dem nonsense for them!01:35
potatoisn't that what ubuntu tries to be ?01:35
potatouserfriendly ?01:35
Kamionjdub: turning it around, what's the objection to having the non-default facility there?01:35
jdubKamion: none01:36
jdubKamion: always interested in use cases though01:36
Kamionjdub: fair enough01:36
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unikumopi, dont have password to geocities here, only on windows01:37
opiunikum: and what seems to be the problem?01:37
opiunikum: if you like, you can e-mail it to me, and I'll repost it somewhere01:38
kentHow come Ubuntu puts the "-ubuntu" on the end of every .deb file? When i try to install a newly created gaim package, then synaptic tells me later that the -ubuntu package is newer, which its not :(01:38
Treenakskent: yes it is01:38
Treenakskent: if apt says it is, it is.01:38
jdubkent: some of them do, some of them don't. the ones that do are pacakges we've changed.01:38
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unikumi used synaptic to download java, during install i have to read license. What do i do then? i tried enter nothing happens01:39
unikumtried to type yes, nothing works01:39
kentjdub, ok.   Treenaks, no, im pretty sure that my newly created package of Gaim is newer than the on Ubuntu ships. But nevermind, its not a big problem.01:39
Treenakskent: then you did something wrong in the version (check the changelog as well()01:39
KneelBeforeXorgkent: look at the version numbers01:40
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unikumwhats your email then?01:40
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unikumhttp://rude.cyb3r.org/what_to_do.png what to do here? i have tried enter of course01:57
kentI just downloaded Firefox 1.0 from Debian unstable. It had only one dependency-problem (libpng) which i also grabbed from debians archive. Nice and easy. No problem01:58
Treenaksunikum: "q" ?01:58
nanotechyeah, why isn't the new firefox included in the recent upgrades?01:58
Kamionnanotech: it is, in hoary01:58
Treenaksnanotech: you're #3 today.. warty won't get firefox 1.001:58
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kentunikum, if you cant press q, then install the same program using apt-get instead.  (apt-get install programname)01:59
nanotechbonobo warty changelog please01:59
Kamionunikum: also, make sure the dialog has focus (click on it) before pressing q01:59
unikumq did work hehe but how could i know?01:59
unikumi tried enter, yes and ok01:59
nanotechdamnit...i thought this is how one invokes the linkbot01:59
nanotechjsut type key words01:59
nanotechand the bot posts the link to the nearest population02:00
Kamionunikum: looks like that package pops up the default pager, probably 'less'02:00
Kamionnanotech: changes to warty are mailed to the warty-changes mailing list; see lists.ubuntu.com for archives02:01
nanotechbut shouldn't i grab any updates to the wart tree when i apt-get upgrade?02:01
Kamionyes02:01
nanotechis the new firefox under this?02:02
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Kamionnanotech: no. warty is released and stable, which means it doesn't change except when it absolutely has to02:03
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nanotechi thought that the packages i snag from the apt-get commands were the cutting edge packages that post date the stable releases; is this not the case? if not how do i upgrade to warty?02:05
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funkyhi02:07
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Kamionnanotech: hoary, not warty. there have been some instructions posted to the mailing list, but at the moment you should basically already know how to do it before considering upgrading to hoary; it's entirely possible that it could break your system02:10
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nanotechcan archives of mailing list posts be browsed by thte public?02:11
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stvnnanotech: yes02:13
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potatowhoa, oz invasion :)02:15
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boldiihi02:15
boldiiI am running hoary, and now I read something that hoary uses xorg but I am still on xf86 how can I fix that?02:16
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stvnboldii: tried installing xorg?02:16
Kamionboldii: install ubuntu-desktop and you'll be able to keep better track02:16
Kamionboldii: otherwise, install xserver-xorg02:16
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lifelessmjg59: ping02:17
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boldiiok, great. do I have to change anything with my runlevels or other config files? the XF86Config-4 can be copied to xorg.conf right?02:18
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stvnboldii: all is taken care off by ubuntu if you upgrade to xorg02:18
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boldiivery cool. thanks for the help.02:19
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mjg59lifeless: Yo02:22
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lifelessyo02:23
lifelessignore my other ping :).02:23
lifelessso, laptop + your kernel. :[02:23
lifelessinit=/bin/sh, mount /proc, echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep02:23
lifelessit slept.02:23
lifelessclosed lid, opened lid.02:23
lifelesspower comes up, disc spins. Then it stops.02:23
mjg59Does caps lock respond?02:24
lifelessI'll try that next time02:25
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mjg59Ok. How about suspend to disk with that kernel?02:25
lifelessappeared to  suspend just fine (though there was a complaint from ipw2200 going down. Hung on ipw2200 on resume.02:26
lifelessDo you have the swsusp enabled ipw driver in that kernel ?02:26
mjg59Hrm. ipw2200 should have been unloaded.02:26
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aaroncukhey all02:27
aaroncukcan someone explain how to install and app as a service please?02:27
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ironwolfaaroncuk: which app? :)02:28
netmonklifeless, mjg59, can you plsease copy/paste me the begining of you discussion since i02:28
menewbewhat does "a prism based adapter" mean? prism = ...?02:28
Treenaksmenewbe: a chipset name02:28
mjg59lifeless: What does /sys/class/net/eth1/driver point to? (assuming eth1 is the ipw)02:28
netmonklifeless, mjg59, can you plsease copy/paste me the begining of you discussion since i'm trying to get my laptop to suspend02:28
aaroncukmpd still... i am gonna do what u said. load it from a package02:28
lifeless/sys/class/net/eth1/driver -> ../../../bus/pci/drivers/ipw220002:28
ironwolfmenewbe: prism is a chipset.  Netgear likes to use it in their wireless cards.02:28
lifelessnetmonk: I don't have the beginning to copy n paste.02:29
menewbeTreenaks: thnx, do you by any chance know if it's supported by linux?02:29
Treenaksmenewbe: prism is supported..02:29
mjg59netmonk: Have you looked at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PMTesting02:30
mjg59lifeless: If you could take a look at the prepare.sh and resume.sh scripts and try to figure out why the ipw2200 driver isn't getting unloaded, that would rock02:31
lifelesswhere are they ?02:31
mjg59/etc/acpi02:32
Treenaksmjg59: hey cool, I'll try that one on my laptop tonight :)02:32
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lifelesswhy do you unload ipw2200 though : its got full support for pm these days.02:32
supertedhow can i find out how long i've had ubuntu installed ?02:32
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mjg59lifeless: Because most network drivers don't02:33
neillsuperted: search for the oldest file?02:33
mjg59I'd rather not special case individual drivers where possible02:33
neillactually that might be unhelpful02:33
lifelessmjg59: ah.02:33
Treenaksmjg59: people _are_ fixing that, aren't they?02:33
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neillmjg59: any thoughts on sound support for a yammaha pci soundcard?02:34
lifelessah: I missed the acpi-support package.02:34
mjg59neill: None whatsoever02:35
mjg59Treenaks: Yup02:35
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mjg59lifeless: Doh02:35
neillmjg59: it works in debian, but doesn't in ubuntu.02:35
neillany ideas what to try to make it go?02:35
lifelessI only noticed know cause reference the wiki02:35
neillthis is in a vaio btw02:35
boldiihey, is there anywhere a manual about the debian / ubuntu init.d system?02:35
mjg59neill: What drivers are being used in Debian? Which ones in Ubuntu?02:36
Treenaksboldii: yes, there's the update-rc.d manual and the debian policy documents02:36
neillmjg59: it's the ymf one02:36
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mjg59neill: Which ymf one?02:36
mjg59neill: ALSA or OSS?02:36
Treenaksif it's pci it should load automatically02:37
neillsnd-ymfpci02:37
mjg59neill: Right. How about in Debian?02:37
neillI believe.02:37
neillmjg59: that one :)02:37
mjg59neill: The same driver in both?02:37
neillit just showed up in alsa-config in debian.02:37
neilldoesn't seem to in ubuntu02:37
neilldon't have it in front of me.02:38
neillI'll fiddle with it some more later.02:38
mjg59Check that snd-ymfpci is being loaded in ubuntu02:38
mjg59You shouldn't need any manual configuration to get that02:38
neillin other news I'm very impressed with wifi / pcmcia support02:38
mjg59Remember that Debian uses 2.4 kernels by default02:38
neillmjg59: was using 2.6 with debian02:38
mjg59Ok02:38
neillmjg59: in an unrelated issue, any idea which things to poke to get speedstep to work?02:38
neill(aka the first version of speed step on a 550/700 mhz pIII)02:39
mjg59Load speedstep-smi02:39
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neillmjg59: ahha02:40
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neillwill give that a go tonigth02:40
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neillthanks02:40
mjg59You might need to pass an argument to tell it to work on a coppermine02:40
boldiianother question: the hoary wiki page said I should remove all iso-8859-* out of my locales and now perl says I should be sure to have         LANG = "en_US.ISO-8859-15"02:40
Treenaksmy coppermine/440mx doesn't seem to understand any speedstep..02:40
mjg59Treenaks: What speed?02:41
Treenaksmjg59: 600mhz02:41
mjg59The first generation 600MHz parts don't have speedstep02:41
Treenaksboldii: yes.. you should change /etc/environment as well02:41
supertedi am going to re-install ubuntu. how can i take with me the e-mail from evolution?02:41
Treenakssuperted: just back up your entire home directory02:43
Treenakssuperted: and put it back when you're done reinstalling02:43
supertedhm02:43
boldiiTreenaks, /etc/environment is correct. at least I have only utf8 there, has it to be read in again or something like that?02:43
boldiiTreenaks, yes, it has, with source thanks =)02:43
supertedTreenaks: i don't want my old gconf settings etc. can i just backup my evo folder?02:43
Treenaksboldii: you need to login again to have it be read again02:44
boldiiTreenaks, source /etc/environment is nicer =)02:44
Treenaksboldii: that only works in one terminal.. logging in again makes it work everywhere02:44
Treenakssuperted: some evolution settings (accounts etc.) are in gconf..02:44
supertedhm02:45
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mjg59lifeless: Any joy with that?02:45
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agwibowohello02:45
agwibowocan anyone tell me how i can mount usb keys in ubuntu?02:45
agwibowosince there's no /dev/sda02:45
Treenaksagwibowo: just plug them in02:46
Treenaksagwibowo: it'll appear on your desktop02:46
agwibowothen???02:46
agwiboworeally????02:46
Treenaksyes02:46
stvnit should at least02:46
agwibowoand if it doesn't?02:46
Treenaksagwibowo: check the output of 'dmesg'02:46
stvnsudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt02:46
agwibowosda1 is not available02:46
Treenaksstvn: no, always check usb first - automounting works pretty well02:46
agwibowoi mean there's no /dev/sda*02:46
Treenaksagwibowo: you may have interrupt problems02:47
lifelessmjg59: swsuspend just worked for me. Yay!. I owe you beer.02:47
agwibowoswsuspend???02:47
jdubagwibowo: sd* won't appear until there is a device present that 'provides' it02:47
agwibowois that to suspend your computer?02:47
Treenaksmjg59: are you going to be in Matar ;)02:47
agwibowojdub: oh k...02:47
lifelessmjg59: I don't see a prepare.sh though...02:47
jdubTreenaks: cheapskate. :)02:48
Treenaksjdub: what? I am..02:48
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agwibowocan anyone tell me how to make the console bigger? it's currently only 80x25... i want something like in knoppix...02:48
mjg59Treenaks: Afraid not02:48
Treenaksjdub: I'm even paying my own travel/hotel expenses :)02:48
agwibowofill the whole screen....02:48
lifelessand my powerbtn event looks like its very much a power off event still02:48
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jdubTreenaks: in spain, the beer is cheap ;)02:49
mjg59lifeless: Did you install acpi-support?02:49
neillagwibowo: pass vga=somemagicnumber into the kernel02:49
Treenaksjdub: in The Netherlands, where I live, it's even cheaper :)02:49
neillwhere somemagicnumber is probably 791 or 79402:49
agwibowosomemagicnumber??02:49
lifelessmjg59: yah02:49
agwibowooh02:49
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neillfor 1024x768 or 1280x1024 respectively02:49
agwibowowhat is 791 / 794 then??02:49
lifelessii  acpi-support          0.902:49
agwibowooooo02:49
mjg59lifeless: Does dpkg -L acpi-support show /etc/acpi/prepare.sh ?02:49
agwibowosure that will work?02:49
jdubTreenaks: if only it didn't taste like furniture polish02:49
mjg59lifeless: That's thom's acpi-support02:49
agwibowohow do i pass it?02:49
mjg59You need the one from my archive02:50
neillgo read the kernel console docs....02:50
Treenaksjdub: beer, not heineken02:50
lifelessmjg59: no it doesn't.02:50
lifelesshmm02:50
netmonkmjg59, when i do apt-get install linux-image-2.6.9-1-386 acpi-support i get 'no such file or directory', any ideas?02:50
mjg59Which has a higher version number...02:50
neillagwibowo: you're talking about the normal console, i.e text-mode, aren't you?02:50
mjg59netmonk: Can you paste the actual error message?02:50
agwibowoneill: yes02:50
lifelesswell, I have pinning in for warty / sid.02:50
lifelessso it ignored yours.02:50
lifelessfixing02:50
netmonkroot@ubuntu:~ # sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.9-1-386 acpi-support02:50
netmonkReading Package Lists... Done02:50
netmonkBuilding Dependency Tree... Done02:50
netmonkW: Couldn't stat source package list http://www.srcf.ucam.org ./ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.srcf.ucam.org_%7emjg59_laptops_._Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)02:50
netmonkW: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems02:50
netmonkE: Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6.9-1-38602:50
mjg59Netminder: Have you done apt-get update ?02:51
neillagwibowo: the easiest way to test would be to reboot and then hit escape to get to grub and edit the kernel command line to include the argument vga=791 or vga=79402:51
agwibowoneill: do i pass it in grub's  menu.lst?02:51
stvnnetmonk: you did reload/update you package list after adding that source?02:51
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neillagwibowo: you can do that as well, but try it by hand to make sure it works first, else you might not be able to reboot if it crashes / doesn't display /etc02:51
agwibowook...02:52
agwibowothx..02:52
netmonkstvn, yes02:52
mjg59Whoops, netmonk, not netminder02:52
netmonkjust didi again02:52
mjg59netmonk: did that produce any errors?02:52
zenwhenHello fellows. :)02:52
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netmonkno02:53
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NedioaERROR: hsf driver not active  anybody having same problem linuxant driver?02:53
agwibowoheheeh02:53
netmonkmjg59, i just found the file with synaptic02:53
agwibowoexit02:53
netmonkcan i load it?02:53
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mjg59netmonk: Which file?02:54
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netmonkmjg59 inux-image-2.6.9-1-38602:54
mjg59netmonk: Please just follow the instructions on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PMTesting02:54
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netmonkmjg59, got it now02:55
=== neill wonders if ubuntu plan to by a proper ssl certificate
neill*buy02:55
lifelesswoohoo02:55
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m0j0can someone help me?02:56
Treenaksm0j0: probably02:56
zenwhenlikely02:56
lifelessswsuspend seems reliably working. mjg59 you rock.02:56
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m0j0I just deleted my libGL.so.1.2 in /usr/lib02:56
m0j0can someone send me that file?02:56
Treenaksm0j0: uh.. why did you do that?02:56
zenwhenlol02:56
Treenaksm0j0: your best option is to get the package it's in and re-install that02:56
m0j0I played around with kernel and libGLU02:56
mjg59lifeless: Rocking02:56
zenwhenDid you get an email saying it was a virus?02:57
zenwhenlol02:57
m0j0too lazy and cause I made lots of changes here02:57
m0j0I can't reinstall all thing02:57
Treenaksm0j0: download xlibmesa-gl from archive.ubuntu.com02:57
m0j0can somone PLS PLS PLS send me the file?02:57
Treenaksm0j0: (in the version for your distribution)02:57
Treenaksm0j0: dpkg -i that02:57
Treenaksm0j0: and you'[ll have it again02:57
lifelessmjg59: have yo considered using ip link rather than ifconfig ?02:57
mjg59m0j0: apt-get --reinstall install xlibmesa-gl02:57
m0j0Treenaks: I can't! I made some changes in xlibmesa, and my xlibmesa is not the one from Ubuntu, its compiled from src02:58
mjg59lifeless: I know nothing about the ip command02:58
zenwhenm0j0. its going to be more reliable if you download the pkg and install it02:58
Treenaksm0j0: don't do that  then02:58
lifelessmjg59: ah. /very/ useful command02:58
mjg59lifeless: Is there any reason that it'd make a difference?02:58
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mjg59All I want to do is make damn sure that the interface is down before rmmodding02:58
netmonkmjg59, my video is Intel 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device02:58
lifelessoh, I just find it easier to tweak.02:58
mjg59lifeless: It shouldn't make any difference, really02:58
m0j0Treenaks: common pls help me this time, Im a developer, I must digest the program to know what inside, I can't use a binary version!02:59
Treenaksm0j0: then use gentoo02:59
mjg59m0j0: Uh, dude, the developers all use binary versions02:59
m0j0Treenaks: sigh...speecless..ok..02:59
mjg59netmonk: You'll want to add the VBERestore line that it talks about02:59
Treenaksm0j0: you don't need to compile everything from source.. I'm a developer as well.. the -dev packages are enough to compile packages against02:59
netmonkmjg59, my video is Intel 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device, do I have to change settings as directed in https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PMTesting02:59
netmonkmjg59, aha ok02:59
neillmjg59: what sort of info do you want in e-mails about pm breakage?03:00
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agwibowookay....03:00
neillagwibowo: any luck?03:00
agwibowoan odd behaviour03:00
agwibowoyes yes!03:01
agwibowothx!03:01
agwibowoit works!03:01
agwibowo:)03:01
agwibowoanother problem though03:01
agwibowoin X, my keyboard is mapped correctly..03:01
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agwibowobut not in console03:01
agwibowohow to fix this??03:01
neillno idea on that one, sorry.03:01
agwibowohmmm03:01
Treenaksagwibowo: dpkg-reconfigure console-tools I guess03:01
mjg59neill: As much information as possible03:01
neillmake/model/components/etc03:01
agwibowoTreenaks: that sounds scary03:02
narthello, my onboard Gigabit LAN  isnt working in ubuntu, anyone have such problems?03:02
Treenaksagwibowo: it's not03:02
neilldoes the use of acpi=force make me more likely to be ignored :)03:02
mjg59No03:02
neillnart: what sort of ethernet chip is it?03:02
mjg59Though if acpi is disabled by default, apm is a better bet03:02
neillapm is fucked on my laptop though :)03:02
mjg59I haven't met any hardware with old acpi and broken apm03:02
neill... acpi works in windows :)03:02
agwibowoTreenaks: no luck..03:02
Treenaksagwibowo: no idea then, sorry03:03
neillmjg59: apm being turned on in the bios breaks windows03:03
zenwhen;-;03:03
mjg59neill: Vendors ship modified acpi tables in their windows drivers03:03
neillah03:03
neilljoy.03:03
mjg59Unbounded03:03
zenwhenis http://ubuntuforums.org down for everyone?03:03
lifelessnight all03:03
mjg59The Windows ACPI implementation is also some distance from spec-compliant03:03
mjg59But for older hardware it was the only code to test against03:04
netmonkmjg59, sorry for the dum qusetion but how should the "VBERestore" "true" line look exactly?03:04
Treenakson my 4-year old (Asus) laptop ACPI seems to work very well03:04
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willraa!!03:04
willim of ppl03:04
willvi ses03:04
Treenakswill: uh.. calm down?03:05
nartneill: am not really sure, am checking the mobo manual but not finding a chip name, the chipset of the mobo is nforce3 250gb though03:05
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will=03:05
topylizenwhen: seems down alright03:05
zenwhendamn03:05
zenwhen;-;03:05
mjg59netmonk: exactly like it does on the website03:05
zenwhenprobably running a windows server03:05
zenwhenD:03:05
mjg59netmonk: Hang on, I'll modify that to make it look a bit clearer03:05
netmonkmjg59, I see :)03:06
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lupus_I need ntfsresize during warty install03:06
neillnart: do you only have the one network interface?03:06
lupus_can I apt-get it or something?03:06
neill(it's a nforce 250GB ethernet interface most probably)03:06
neillI have one of these, it seems to work..... kind of03:06
neillthe driver is forceth I think....03:07
nartyes the nForce Gigabit ethernet... i have installed the nvidia nforce drivers and modified /etc/modules.conf.... and removed the forcedeth driver03:07
neillforcedeth03:07
neillDoes forcedeth not work?03:07
nartno03:08
netmonkmjg59, looks great now. thanks03:08
neillhmm03:08
narton boot it takes ages to go pass Configuring network interfaces, after boot if i try to enable it, it just does nothing...03:08
mjrhmm, sounds like I should be happy that my nforce3 mb has a separate gb ethernet chip03:08
nartits was working on fc2 and now fc3...03:09
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Gwildor_morning room03:11
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m0j0can someone help me again?03:14
Treenaksm0j0: what?03:15
m0j0can someone send me the graphic file for 'CLOCK' icon in /usr/share/pixmaps?03:15
m0j0the one used for Clock icon03:15
Treenaksm0j0: get the package03:15
m0j0I did03:15
m0j0still missing that icon03:15
m0j0weird03:15
Treenaksm0j0: and don't go about deleting random files03:15
m0j0lol03:15
m0j0I won't03:15
netmonkmjg59, which one is the driver section? I have DRI, ServerLayout, Screen, Monitor, Devidce, InuputDevice, Module, Files.03:16
TreenaksDevice03:16
netmonkTreenaks, is that for me?03:18
Treenaksnetmonk: yes03:19
netmonkso, i should put it under Device?03:19
netmonkok03:19
mjg59netmonk: Oh, thank you, good point03:20
netmonkhow do I see which one is my swap partition?03:23
Treenaksnetmonk: type 'grep swap /etc/fstab'03:23
netmonkTreenaks, thanks :) it's hda703:24
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CardinalSinhi all. i'm a bit new to Linux and have a question about network speed on my Ubuntu box. Is there any reason why it is substantialy slower than my Windows box connecting to the internet?03:29
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kentWhen i installaed Hoary in vmware yesterday, i saw this admin-disk(s?) program. Is it a part of gnome system tools, or whats the name of that package?03:34
bwlangCardinalSin: it should be no slower... how have you measured?03:35
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CardinalSinbwlang, i'm on a ADSL connection from home. if I access http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ on my wifes XP box it's up in less than 5 seconds. on my Ubuntu box it can take up to 2 min to access. it even times out. I read something about turning off IP6.03:37
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bwlangCardinalSin: have a look at the output of "ifconfig eth0"  ... maybe you have a lot of error on the interface.  I'm assuming that you use an ethernet connection not usb... the other possibility is that your card is misconfigured... or that it is trying to do full duplex on a half duplex link.03:39
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hbillo_hellow03:41
hbillo_can someone help me ?03:41
pouetno03:41
hbillo_i have a probleme with my soundcard03:41
pouet?03:41
hbillo_it's an ati ac9703:41
hbillo_the module is atiixp03:41
hbillo_modprobe atiixp work03:42
hbillo_but alsa says that there is no soundcard03:42
hbillo_:|03:42
mjg59hbillo_: Sounds like you've loaded the OSS module, not the alsa one03:42
mjg59There should be a snd-something module03:42
CardinalSinyup. it's ethernet. i seemed to have no errors with ifconfig eth0. how do I check the duplex thing? sorry if this is basic stuff, but am newish and have gone 100% OSS.03:42
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hbillo_mjg59, even when i load snd-atiixp it doesn't work03:43
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hbillo_there is no solution??03:47
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supos_Is there a web page that lists the current packages in Warty? I need to check if a certain package has been updated, but I can't get to my Ubuntu box at the moment03:50
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leonbwhat version of firefox does the live demo have on it?03:51
seb1280.9.3 IIRC03:52
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leonbthanks seb128, are there any plans to release a newer demo any time soon?03:53
seb128no sure about hoary liveCD ...03:53
seb128why, 0.9.3 is not good ?03:53
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leonbfor me, it is fine, but I'm looking for FF 1.0 and latest OOo for others03:54
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leonbwho would know?03:54
gnurtnewer is better :D03:54
Keybuknewest versions of packages go into 'hoary' ... the release due in April03:54
Keybukthe first test install CD has been made already03:55
KeybukI imagine the first test Live CD will be along within a month or two03:55
netmonkmjg59, Configuration file `/etc/acpi/events/powerbtn'03:55
netmonk ==> File on system created by you or by a script.03:55
netmonk ==> File also in package provided by package maintainer.03:55
netmonk   What would you like to do about it ?  Your options are:03:55
netmonk    Y or I  : install the package maintainer's version03:55
netmonk    N or O  : keep your currently-installed version03:55
netmonk      D     : show the differences between the versions03:55
netmonk      Z     : background this process to examine the situation03:55
netmonk The default action is to keep your current version.03:55
netmonk*** powerbtn (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N]  ?03:55
stvnew03:55
netmonkwhat should I answer?03:55
leonbKeybuk: ta. I'm looking for the live-demo-plus-Win32 version03:56
leonbolder Ubuntu is fine as long as it works, but packages concerned must be recent03:56
stvnleonb: why the importance of recent packages?03:57
supos_seb128: You resolved that Abiword bug, right?03:57
stvnleonb: the ubuntu ff has got some backported 1.0 features03:57
seb128supos_: which one ?03:58
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mjg59netmonk: choose Y03:59
topylinetmonk: have you edited the file?03:59
leonbstvn: for starters, want to hand some out at a FF 1.0 party03:59
ironwolfwhy would, after adding universe and multiverse in /etc/apt/sources.list, the /var/lib/dpkg/available not show mpd as being there?  There is no /etc/apt/apt.preferences file in play.  ideas?03:59
leonbstvn: also want to hand them to MS-besotted customers, and latest is greatest04:00
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ironwolfapt-get update was run before checking files.04:00
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supos_seb128: the one with abiword opening new windows on <space>04:01
crackhello04:01
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ironwolfhi crack.04:01
cracki am getting no sound out of xmms or my system04:01
crackeverything is plugged in04:01
crackand it works once in a while04:01
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crackany ideasS?04:01
stvnleonb: ah ok, best bet is wait for hoary CDs or look for other liveCDs i'm afraid04:02
seb128supos_: I don't get the problem, but the menus are opens when I press the shortcut letter ... and this bug is fixed with 2.1.96 in hoary as said in the bug report, yes04:02
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supos_seb128: uhm, but is it fixed in warty?04:03
leonbstvn: how hard would it be to pull a live CD and do surgery on the image?04:03
stvnleonb: wouldn't know TBH04:03
seb128supos_: not, warty is released, we only fix security issues and big issues04:03
crackwell04:04
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cracki guess i will check back later04:04
supos_seb128: It's a big issue, it renders Abiword pretty much useless04:04
cracksince noone can help me now04:04
ironwolfcrack: none here, mine just worked.04:04
netmonkmjg59, topyli: I'm done. I've edited and need to restart now. I hope things will be ok ;)04:04
crackmine did too04:04
crackbut now it doesnt04:04
cracki dont get it04:04
ironwolfany takers on the apt-get problem? *please?*04:04
topylinetmonk: happy booting04:04
netmonk;)04:04
leonbok, general question then: how hard is it to either do surgery on a Ubuntu live CD or to pull Ubuntu and build a modded one from scratch?04:04
ironwolfcrack: what changed between it working and it not working?04:05
crackironwolf, whats wrong with your apt-get?04:05
cracki dont know04:05
seb128supos_: it can wait until hoary04:05
crackmy music is on my ntfs drie04:05
crackbut it worked before04:05
crackits weird04:05
topylicrack: is esd running (and do you think it's supposed to be)?04:06
crackisd?04:06
crackesd?04:06
supos_seb128: so you're saying there are no bugfixes for the current stable release?04:06
crackwhat is that?04:06
ironwolfcrack: I have a system I added universe and multiverse to the /etc/apt/sources.list .  I ran apt-get update.  now apt-get install mpd says it's not there, grep mpd /var/lib/dpkg/available finds nothing, but I KNOW it's in universe.04:06
seb128supos_: bug fixes for big issues or security problems04:06
crackah04:06
crackhang on i will look04:06
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topylicrack: the sound daemon in gnome04:06
crackwhat is mpd?04:07
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Keybukironwolf: "apt-get update" doesn't update /var/lib/dpkg/available anyway ...04:07
topylicrack: music player daemon. very cool04:07
crackironwolf, your the man04:07
cracki got it04:07
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crackpcm was all the way down04:07
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crackkk04:08
cracklemme check out this mpd04:08
mrJWhitehey everyone! ubuntu is really cool, on friday we'll be installing it to about 100 laptops in a seminar at school04:08
Lum1hi04:08
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mrJWhitei havent seen that free cd shipping thing04:08
mrJWhiteis it all free?04:08
Lum1allredy i install new ubuntu but i dont have root user :S04:08
topylimrJWhite: for you it is :)04:08
mrJWhitewe've been copying cds for a few days, i'd wish i'd seen it before04:09
topylibonobo: root Lum104:09
bonoboLum1: The reason ubuntu uses sudo instead of a root account is explained on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo04:09
crackironwolf, its not in my repos04:09
ironwolfKeybuk: it does on my laptop and all previous Debian installs I've seen.  Point is more apt-get install mpd says it's not available.04:09
supos_seb128: Ok, I didn't know it worked that way. Although one could argue that a bug rendering a package useless (especially a package like Abiword for a desktop-oriented distro) is a pretty issue04:09
crackand i have them all04:09
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Lum1topyli, bash: root: command not found04:10
seb128supos_: openoffice.org is the supported office software04:10
crackanyone know how to install themes i picked up off the net?04:10
Keybukironwolf: It doesn't.  It's dselect's available file, APT doesn't touch it.04:10
topyliLum1: there's no such command :)04:10
topylion any distro04:10
Keybuk(and mpd isn't in universe)04:10
ironwolfcrack: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/mpd/04:11
mrJWhitetopyli: it's really great, i think i'll ask a for a few then, thanks :))04:11
George^Dekacrack: open the theme manager - computer > Desktop Prefs > Themes04:11
George^Dekacrack: then click install and point it to the tar.gz you just d/l'ed04:11
Keybukironwolf: that's the shared pool of packages in warty and hoary -- mpd is in hoary's universe04:12
crackuse that full line then04:12
crackmaybe mpd isnt enough04:12
crackyou may need to use your version you need04:12
topylimrJWhite: grab 'em. they want to give away as many as possible, it's PR04:12
ironwolfKeybuk: thankyee.... I'm helping someone running warty.. I'm running hoary.  Hadn't occured to me the universe would be that different.. *crawls back under rock*04:12
mrJWhitetopyli: whats PR? :) promotion? :)04:12
topylimrJWhite: yeah, public relations-foo04:13
Keybukironwolf: chances are mpd was either introduced to Debian after warty froze, or just didn't build at the time -- when the GREAT RESYNC started it popped in04:13
crackcan someone help me get a theme installed that i picked up off the net?04:13
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Lum1bonobo, thnx :D04:13
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Keybukironwolf: you can *probably* just download the _i386.deb from the pool and install it04:13
supos_seb128: I know. Sorry about filing the bug report then. I discussed it with people in here and the general concensus was to file a bug report, but it's still my bad :(04:14
KeybukI can't see anything in its dependencies that wouldn't be in warty04:14
topyliLum1: bonobo isn't a real person. but it will answer if you thank nicely :)04:14
ironwolfthanks Keybuk!04:14
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seb128supos_: no problem, filing a bug is right. The bug has been fixed, but in the devel branch ...04:14
Lum1topyli, sorry i dont know :)04:14
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mrJWhitetopyli: thanks, :) see ya all!04:15
topyliLum1: IIRC, it will understand "thanks"04:15
crackanyone wanna help me install a theme i downloaded?04:15
topylicrack: open the theme manager, drag the tarball in there04:16
crackjust a drag?04:16
topyliyep04:17
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crackthanks topli04:18
topylicant get much easier i guess :)04:19
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ironwolfcrack: where did you find themes for ubuntu?04:24
seb128supos_: BTW I don't have the <space> problem on a warty install and you are the only one who reported it, so that's probably not a common issue, doesn't help to consider it as a priority to fix ...04:26
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Gwildor_I was just reading on distrowatch that they (distrowatch) had plans to use ubuntu for there server(s), but chose freebsd because of its maturity04:26
netmonkmjg59, it almost works04:27
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mjg59netmonk: Mm?04:29
netmonkecho 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep works. it goes to sleep and wehn i press the button it comes back BUT then it tries to suspend to disk in my opinion and when I press the power button it freezes just before the desktop shows up04:29
StarScreamare there any plans to add kde packages to warty PPC's universe ?04:29
mjg59netmonk: Don't do echo 3 >/proc/acpi/sleep04:30
StarScreamor do i need to upgrade to hoary ?04:30
mjg59netmonk: Do you have a sleep button on the laptop?04:30
netmonkmjg59, no04:30
mjg59netmonk: What model is it?04:30
netmonkToshiba Satellite A40-26104:30
mjg59netmonk: Ok04:33
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netmonkmjg59, when I press Fn F3 the sreen goes blank and then comes back04:33
mjg59netmonk: If you just press the power button, does it suspend to disk?04:34
netmonkmjg59, I'll check ;)04:34
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arsovymjg59, it suspended to disk, now I'm waiting to see if it'll come back04:38
mjg59arsovy: Cool04:38
supos_seb128: When I mentioned it in here, people were able to reproduce it...04:38
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seb128supos_: every people who tried ?04:39
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supos_seb128: I don04:39
supos_seb128: Don't remember. Is this channel logged?04:39
supos_seb128: I only think a couple of people tried it, and they were able to reproduce it04:40
seb128I htink so, but I don't remember where are the logs04:40
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seb128supos_: the point is that I don't have the problem here, I've just apt-get install abiword-gnome, started it and play a bit with it04:41
seb128that's a fresh warty install04:41
seb128and no problem04:41
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arsovymjg59, obviously it's back but though there is ligt in the screen it's not working04:41
supos_seb128: Oh well. Doesn't really matter anyway, if there are no bug fixes in stbale04:42
supos_stable04:42
arsovymjg59, I guess it hangs somewhere before loading the desktop04:42
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mjg59arsovy: Can you press ctrl+alt+F1 and then ctrl+alt+F7 ?04:43
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arsovymjg59, another interesting thing is that when I  boot it stands still for some time and then gives a long list of devices with error04:44
seb128supos_: depending on the bug (in fact on how many people use the package, how many get the bug, how important the bug is, on how easy is it to fix)04:44
mjg59arsovy: Yeah, that's not anything to worry about at the moment04:44
arsovymjg59, i thought so ;)04:44
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KeybukTechnical Board meeting in 15 minutes on #ubuntu-meeting.04:45
mjg59arsovy: The Fn+F3 thing ought to put your machine to sleep, though04:45
netmonk_mjg59, success!!!!04:45
mjg59netmonk: Mm?04:46
netmonk_it just went to sleep04:46
mjg59Oh, cool04:46
mjg59Does the power button wake it up?04:46
netmonk_mjg59, yes, but probably in 5 or 10 seconds it shuts down on it's own04:47
mjg59netmonk: It shouldn't04:47
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netmonk_mjg59, it just did04:47
netmonk_;)04:47
mjg59Gah.04:47
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supos_seb128: I work around it by just installing the abiword package from Universe instead of abiword-gnome from main04:48
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seb128supos_: weird04:51
crackironwolf, you can find them at gnome-look.org04:51
crackironwolf, or kde-look.org04:51
cracki was using kde for a bit, but i like gnome better04:52
crackim used to it now04:52
crackalot like i was used to windows04:52
crackstill have some stuff to learn tho04:52
crackas usual04:52
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netmonkmjg59, Fn F3 goes to sleep almost on the second - I guess tahat's stadn by, right?04:53
kensaiwhere in gnome is where I change which programs start when Gnome starts?04:53
mjg59netmonk: That's suspend to RAM, yes04:53
Gwildor_kensai, what are you tring to do?04:54
mjg59netmonk: Can you edit /etc/acpi/resume.sh and just above the line /etc/init.d/acpid start put sleep 10 ?04:54
netmonkmjg59, hm... but then on it's own goes to suspend to disk, and when it comes back the screen is not working04:54
magneto[quote] /help[/quote] 04:54
mjg59^^04:54
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netmonkmjg59, just a sec, it's starting now04:54
kensaiGwildor_, I have gdesklet to start everytime gbome starts I want to not start everytime now but don't remember where to change taht04:55
magnetokensai: session04:55
kensaimagneto, thanks04:56
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crackguys, i got my skins to work with gnome, now i want to change my skin for gkrellm does anyone know how to do that?04:56
krischanhello everyone.04:56
crackive got the tar04:56
cracktried dragging it04:57
crackno avail04:57
kensaianyone knows of a good free web hosting?04:59
crackfor pics?04:59
crackkensai?04:59
kensaicrack: yeah pc screenshots04:59
magnetokensai: 100mb unlimited bandwidth spymac.net04:59
crackyep thats a good04:59
crackone04:59
Gwildor_kensai, I just use geocities, use a <noembed> tag to get rid of the adds05:00
kensaiGwildor_, Kool05:00
kensaimagneto, tahnks05:00
crackanyone use a diff monitoring program than gkrellm?05:00
KeybukTechnical Board meeting on #ubuntu-meeting now.05:00
magnetocrack: gdesklets and gnome-panel applets05:01
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crackgdesklets?05:01
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crackis it native to gnome or do i have to get it out of the repos?05:01
netmonkmjg59, above  /etc/init.d/acpid start is writen #Other half of the hideous hack. Do you want me to put "sleep 10" betwin these two lines?05:01
mjg59netmonk: Yes05:02
thoreauputiccrack: decompress the themes tar.gz in ~/.gkrellm2/themes05:02
thoreauputicthat's where they live ;)05:02
crackoh k05:02
netmonkmjg59, actualy it says /etc/init.d/acpid start >/dev/nul 2>&1. is that ok?05:02
mjg59netmonk: Is it null rather than nul?05:03
mjg59If so, yes05:03
netmonkmjg59,  its null05:04
magnetocrack: gdesklets can be found in repos05:04
mjg59netmonk: Ok, and could you edit /etc/acpi/prepare.sh and after /etc/init.d/acpid stop >/dev/null 2>&1 add05:04
crackyea i got it05:04
mjg59killall acpid05:04
crackthoreauputic, i cant find my gkrellm folder05:04
crackthoreauputic, im looking05:04
crackgot it05:05
thoreauputicdot gkrellm  >>>>  ~/.gkrellm205:05
crackyea i used which05:05
netmonkmjg59, on the same line or a new line?05:05
mjg59netmonk: On a new line05:05
thoreauputiccrack: no, which finds the executable !05:05
netmonkmjg59,  done05:06
crackoh05:06
mjg59netmonk: Ok, now try fn+f3 again05:06
crackso its not in usr/bin?05:06
thoreauputiccrack: you want the hidden file in your home directory05:06
crackoh05:06
crackkk05:06
thoreauputiccrack: read the path I gave you above ^^^^05:06
mjg59netmonk: And then see if the power button wakes it without shutting it down05:07
thoreauputic ~/.gkrellm2/themes05:07
crackhmm05:07
crackweird cmd05:07
crackhow do i find the hidden file tho?05:07
crackits not showing up05:07
Gwildor_ctrl-h05:07
thoreauputiccrack: cd to that dir in a terminal and then do an `ls`05:08
netmonkmjg59, it woke up but it's shutting down now05:08
mjg59netmonk: Pff.05:08
mjg59netmonk: Ok, I don't have time to look at this further now - need to go and teach05:08
Gwildor_crack, ctrl-h05:08
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netmonkmjg59, ok! you did a lot. Thank you very much05:09
mjg59netmonk: If you want to disable the shutting down, just do mv /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh.bak05:09
crackhmm05:10
mjg59Then suspend to RAM ought to work correctly for now05:10
netmonkmjg59, thanks a lot. have fun teaching ;)05:10
cracknot so easy05:11
crackmy terminal wont let me get out of desktop when i cd05:11
crackunless i go to pictures05:12
crackits weird05:12
crackill get it05:12
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crackgot it05:12
crackthoreauputic, i got it05:13
crackhowever,05:13
fabiandHey, I can't find the place for software proposals ... does someone know where it is!?05:13
crackusing the terminal05:13
cracki dont know how to decompress it05:14
thoreauputiccrack: it's a tar.gz , right?05:14
crackyea05:14
crackso05:14
cracksudo tar xzvf gkrellm2.tar.gz.38605:14
crackright?05:14
thoreauputictar xvzf <nameof.targz>05:14
thoreauputicyep05:15
crackkk05:15
thoreauputiccrack: err no05:15
thoreauputicthat doesn't look like a  tar.gz >>>   gkrellm2.tar.gz.38605:15
thoreauputicis it your themes tarball?05:16
cracki just added the 38605:16
crackfor no reason05:16
thoreauputicwhy?05:16
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cracki know what you want me to do05:16
thoreauputicok05:16
crackok the cmd05:17
crackdo i move it to the themes directory first?05:17
crackthen decompress it?05:17
thoreauputiccrack: it will probably make a directory of its own when you decompress it - you can move the contents into the themes dir05:18
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crackok05:18
crackso05:18
cracki need to tar it where its at05:18
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crackthen move it to the themes dir?05:18
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Gwildor_crack, I guess you could just untar it into the correct directory, or drag and drop it05:19
crackyep05:19
crackgonna try a drag and drop now05:20
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yopoq tal05:21
thoreauputiccrack: you don't need sudo to do tar xvzf05:22
poin__tany 3ware users?05:22
yopoq es eso?05:22
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zenwhenwhere do deps downloaded by apt wind up being stored?05:22
zenwhendebs*05:22
crackk05:22
opizenwhen: /var/cache/apt/archives05:23
crackthoreauputic, i got it untar'd however now i dont know how to move it05:23
yopoalguien q hable espaol?05:23
zenwhenthanks05:23
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thoreauputiccrack: where have you untarred it?05:23
crackin my home05:23
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thoreauputiccrack: have you worked out how to get nautilus to show your hidden directories?05:24
crackno05:24
thoreauputictry ctrl-h05:25
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crackk05:25
cracki hit it05:25
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Gwildor_crack, I already said that05:25
cracki did it earlier too05:25
crackstill no05:25
Gwildor_hmmm05:25
Gwildor_are you in nautalus05:26
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Gwildor_how ever you spell it05:26
Gwildor_go to home in nautalis05:26
cracki got it05:26
crackhad to do it when it was open05:26
Gwildor_kk,:)05:26
Gwildor_that's where I was going05:26
thoreauputiccrack: once you can see the dirs, you should be able to drag and drop the contents to the .gkrellm2/themes directory05:27
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cracki got it05:28
crackdo i have to restart gkrellm for it to take?05:28
thoreauputiccrack: I expect so, yes05:28
crackkk hang on05:28
thoreauputiccrack: then right click on gkrellm and look in configuration, and there should be more themes in there than you could ever use ... heheh :)05:29
crackyea i just cant figure out how to get them to work05:30
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thoreauputicare you looking in "configuration" for gkrellm?05:30
crackyep05:31
cracksure am05:31
thoreauputicright click near the top and choose configuration, then choose themes05:31
cracki did05:32
thoreauputicthere should be a list of themes - you just hghlight one and apply it05:32
cracki see05:32
crackits a weird way to apply it05:32
cracknot that i was doing it wrong05:32
crackjust down at the bottom left you have like 5 themes05:32
cracknone of them get rid of the ugly grey05:33
cracki was hoping to get rid of the ugly grey05:34
thoreauputiccrack: if you dont have a sh*tload of themes in the themes area of "configuration", you havent got the decompressed themes in the right directory, or the permissions are wrong05:34
crackok05:34
thoreauputiccrack: do:   cd /home/crack/.gkrellm2   then do  ls -l themes to see if they are there and see the permissions05:35
cracki think i did it wrong05:35
cracki put the tar file in there05:35
cracknot the actual theme05:35
thoreauputicI think so too05:35
Gwildor_thoreauputic, crack, I think it was untarred with sudo, does that ma ke a difference, ie set permisions to root?05:36
crackgot it05:36
Gwildor_oh, NVM05:36
thoreauputicyou put all the decompressed themes in there05:36
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crackthoreauputic, thanks bro05:36
crackthoreauputic, again05:36
crackits hot now05:36
cracki like it now05:36
thoreauputicGwildor, yes I was concerned about the sudo thing too05:36
thoreauputiccrack: working?05:37
crackyep05:37
thoreauputic:)05:37
thoreauputicyay!!05:37
cracknow i need to get some themes for gaim05:37
thoreauputictry the invisible theme if you've got it05:37
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cracki dont have it05:38
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cracki want it05:38
thoreauputicrats05:38
thoreauputiccrack: are you sure?05:38
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crackwheyea05:39
thoreauputiccrack: I can dcc it to you if you like05:39
crackdcc05:39
crackgo ahead05:39
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thoreauputichmm.. hang on it's a directory,,,05:40
crackk05:40
thoreauputiccrack: hmm... it doesn't want to send05:42
thoreauputiccrack: I'll see if I can upload it to a url05:42
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crackthats fine05:44
crackyou dont have to05:44
thoreauputiccrack: heh - I just did... have you found it there or what?05:45
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crackim going05:46
crackwhere is it at?05:47
crackurl?05:47
thoreauputic http://interlink.webhop.org/invisible05:47
crackmy screen looks pretty hot now05:47
crackthoreauputic, which file?05:48
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thoreauputiccrack: that url has all the files for the invisible theme - they need to live in a dir called invisible05:48
socommcrack: hot?05:48
thoreauputiccrack: all the files05:49
crackso create a dir05:49
crackcalled invisible05:49
crackthen05:49
thoreauputicin themes05:49
crackdrag them05:49
crackkk05:49
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thoreauputicnotice there's a subdir called net as well05:50
thoreauputicit woud be easier to just find the theme somwhere else, really :/05:51
thoreauputic*somewhere05:51
crackyea05:51
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crackim workin on getting them05:51
crackhowever05:51
crackhow do i suck all them in?05:51
thoreauputiccrack: I got mine in a single tarball from the gkrellm site, I think05:52
crackk05:52
thoreauputiccrack: it's been a while, so I don't remember exactly05:52
crackim just wondering how to get those files off ftp05:52
cracknobiggie05:53
cracki will get them05:53
crackfrom gkrellm05:53
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mozratHey guys, is anyone running the PPC version of ubuntu here?05:54
JorisKhello everyone, is there an log file that logs all startup info???05:54
JorisKhello everyone, is there an log file that logs all startup info???05:54
JorisKoops sry05:54
JorisKanyone?05:54
mozratJorisK: normally all kept in /var/log05:54
mozratmessages05:55
mozratkernel.log05:55
mozratdmesg05:55
crackits not on muhri05:55
mozratI think they would all have some trace of the system starting in them05:55
crackthoreauputic, its not on muhri05:55
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Tycheogra or treenaks you here?05:56
JorisKthanks mozrat, i found dmesg05:57
JorisK:)05:57
hbillo_what have I to install in order to listen mp305:57
mozratJorisK: np05:57
crackhbillo use xmms05:57
crackhbillo_, use xmms05:58
TycheAnyone know kernel?05:58
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crackhbillo_, do u have xmms?06:00
hbillo_crack, i'm installing it06:00
crackk06:00
crackanyone know of a good movie player that has mpeg and wmv support?06:01
mozratxine is good for mpeg, dunno about wmv06:02
cracki need something for my porn... lolz06:02
mozrattee-hee06:02
socommcrack: mplayer06:02
crackk06:02
crackrepos?06:03
crackis it in the repos?06:03
mozratthere used to be a debian package called pornview it was really handy06:03
cracklol06:03
socommcrack: doubtful.06:03
crackk06:03
crackgotta tar it then06:03
crackright?06:03
mozratmplayer is good, but a PITA to get hold of sometimes06:03
socommmozrat: that's just an image viewer.06:03
thoreauputiccrack: it's in the Marillat repository06:03
crackk06:04
thoreauputiccrack: the details are on the Ubuntu site06:04
crackits not in any of the repos06:04
socommbonobo: mplayer06:04
bonobo: for mplayer in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats06:04
thoreauputicprobably under "break my ubuntu" heheh06:04
mozratsocomm: I thought it handled movie files as well.. says so on packages.debian.org06:04
crackat least06:04
crackthats what apt is saying06:05
mozrathttp://packages.debian.org/testing/utils/pornview06:05
socommmozrat: not that I know of.06:05
thoreauputiccrack: you need to add a repo06:05
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thoreauputiccrack: see what bonobo reported ^^06:05
mozratso does anyone use ubuntu-ppc ?06:06
socommmozrat: guess they've added xine support.06:06
crackbonobo?06:06
nat1I'm trying to write an iso image with nautilus and it says there is not 695 mb of free cd space, even though it is a 700 mb cd06:06
crackthoreauputic, bonobo?06:06
thoreauputiccrack: I could dcc you my gkrellm tarball - it has the invisible theme in it06:06
socommcrack follow the following link.06:06
thoreauputic<bonobo> : for mplayer in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats06:06
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socommbonobo: mplayer06:06
mozratsocomm: essential for the discerning pr0n fan06:06
bonobo: for mplayer in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats06:06
nat1how do I burn an iso image to cd in ubuntu?06:07
socommbonobo: cdrecord06:07
socommnat1: you'll need to use cdrecord.06:08
crackim accepting it06:08
crackthoreauputic, im accepting it06:08
thoreauputiccrack: that tarball has all the themes06:08
thoreauputicOK06:08
crackit says waiting06:08
crackk its comin in06:08
thoreauputiccrack: you'll want to wipe your existing ones and redo the procedure06:09
crackwipe06:09
crack?06:09
cracki never got the other ones06:09
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thoreauputiccrack: it's going to take a while: I'm on dilup here ;/06:09
cracklol i see06:09
crackrofl, slow conn06:10
crackthoreauputic, are you sending me all your skins?06:10
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thoreauputiccrack: no laughing matter, I assure you06:10
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thoreauputiccrack: yup06:10
crackwow06:10
crackkk06:10
crackthoreauputic, what do u use for antivirus?06:11
socommnat1: if you'd like a nice frontend for cdrecord, try K3B.06:11
thoreauputicyou don't need antivirus for linux06:11
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crackeven for emails?06:11
kikohey there06:11
crackkiko, hi06:11
thoreauputiccrack: viruses for linux are *very* rare and even the ones that exist are weak06:12
Agrajagcrack: emails? you mean for an email server that serves out email to windows machines?06:12
socommcrack: Only reason why you would need an AV program would be to filter emails to Win32 machines.06:12
Agrajagbecause almost all email viruses out there are not only specific to Windows, they are specific to Microsoft Outlook06:12
thoreauputiccrack: you only need antivir for servers that handle windows networks etc06:13
thoreauputiccrack: http://www.c4vct.com/kym/humor/outlook.htm06:13
socommthoreauputic: windows != microsoft06:13
thoreauputicthat's funny ^^06:13
TycheFor a Laptop with a Centrino 1700 processor, should I be using the 686 kernel?06:13
thoreauputicsocomm: OK fair enough :)06:14
Agrajagyes06:14
Agrajag686 is anything past a PII06:14
socommTyche: yes.06:14
Agrajagand paybe even pentium pro, I don't remember06:14
Agrajags/paybe/maybe/06:14
kikoguys, one question.06:14
Tychesocomm: so I can choose that in synaptic right? I think that is what I did and not my grub has the 386 and the 686 options.06:14
crackgotcha06:15
crackthoreauputic, thanks06:15
kikoxchat isn't creating .xchat2/serverlist.conf, nor can I save my new server list. any hints as to why?06:15
Tychesocomm: can I delete the 386 lines that I do not need now? Is there a way to tell what kernel I am running?06:15
Agrajagkiko: what are the permissions on .xchat2?06:15
AgrajagTyche: "uname -a06:15
Agrajag"uname -a"06:15
socommTyche: yes.06:15
kikoAgrajag, me-writeable, as they should be06:16
Agrajagkiko: Well there goes my idea then06:16
kikoit's weird, because all other files are created06:16
kikothis is stock warty xchat206:16
AgrajagTyche: that should return something like: "Linux Discordia 2.6.8.1-3-686 #1 Tue Oct 12 13:10:36 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux"06:16
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TycheSocomm & agrajag: I am now running 2.6.8.1-3-68606:16
socommkiko: try touching serverlist.conf06:16
kikoI did, it's never written to. is there a save serverlist button I'm missing?06:17
socommTyche: once you install the new kernel you'll have to reboot for it to take effect.06:17
nat1how do I figure out what device my cd burner is?06:17
socommkiko: dunno.06:17
TycheSocomm: Correct. I'm running it now, can I remove the 386 lines from my grubconf? Will I ever have need to load that one instead?06:17
AgrajagTyche: no, you won't06:18
socommTyche: sure, though I'd keep it for system recovery sake.06:18
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Quazionnat1 you could look in /proc/ide and check files like model on all devices to see which is which :)06:19
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Agrajagtrue, though the odds of -386 working when -686 doesn't are slim06:19
Quazionroot@blackhole:/proc/ide/hdc # cat model06:19
QuazionLITE-ON LTR-24102B06:19
Quazioni get something like this on my cdwriter, i know its a lite-on :)06:19
socommnat1: `less /etc/fstab | grep cdrom' that should give you your cdroms device entry.06:19
socommnat1: my CD-Rom is `/dev/hdb'06:20
nat1so when I put "dev=x" into the cdrecord command line, I put dev/dev/hda?06:21
nat1i mean06:21
nat1dev=/dev/hda, assuming it's hda06:21
socommhda is usually your hard drive, but yes that entry does look right.06:21
nat1sean@ubuntu:~ $ less /etc/fstab |grep cdrom06:21
nat1/dev/hda        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       006:21
socommnat1: yes looks right, give it a whirl.06:22
nat1for some reason it says the cd burner is a06:22
nat1cool06:22
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nat1it's working06:23
nat1thanks06:23
socommDon't mention it.06:23
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thoreauputiccrack: you should have it now06:27
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thoreauputiccrack: check under settings --> preferences --> file transfers to see your default dcc directory if you don't know it already06:29
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TycheSocomm: This scares me...I do not remember how I upgraded to the 686 kernel. Do you know the package name in synaptic that would have done it?06:30
Agrajagkernel-686 I think06:31
Agrajagor maybe it was linux-68606:31
smlinux-68606:31
Agrajaglet me check06:31